[10:00] <udienz> nobuto_mobile, waiting for Asia/Oceania Meeting?
[10:04] <udienz> elky?
[10:07] <elky> persia, lifeless: freeflying?
[10:09] <elky> i can't do anything on my own :(
[10:20] <elky> udienz, sorry, it's not looking like happening tonight
[10:21] <udienz> elky, okay no problem i'll try next meeting
[15:56] <zul> hi
[15:57] <andreserl> \o/
[15:58] <hallyn> \o
[15:59] <hallyn> jolly good morning, all.
[16:00] <JamesPage> o/
[16:00] <JamesPage> Afternoon all....
[16:00] <Daviey> \o
[16:00] <SpamapS> o/
[16:01] <kirkland> o/
[16:01] <ttx> \o
[16:01] <hallyn> no sombreros this morning?  no hunting caps?
[16:01] <SpamapS> Alright, lets begin
[16:01] <hallyn> settle down there, SpamapS
[16:01] <hallyn> #startmeeting
[16:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:01. The chair is hallyn.
[16:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:01] <SpamapS> *\o/*   gooooo rally!
[16:01] <SpamapS> hallyn: err, ok you can do it if you want. ;)
[16:02] <hallyn> [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:02] <hallyn> ALL: please check the SRU tracker for 'needs-verification' bugs
[16:02] <hallyn> http://people.canonical.com/~chucks/SRUTracker/sru-tracker-bugs.html
[16:02] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~chucks/SRUTracker/sru-tracker-bugs.html
[16:02] <hallyn> everyone rais your hands if you're NOT guilty
[16:03] <SpamapS> That one should, I think, roll forward for a bit longer so we remember that its important.
[16:03] <SpamapS> at least until 10.04.2
[16:03] <hallyn> [ACTION] ALL: please check the SRU tracker for 'needs-verification' bugs
[16:03] <MootBot> ACTION received:  ALL: please check the SRU tracker for 'needs-verification' bugs
[16:03] <hallyn> SpamapS: sounds good, i'll try to remember to keep the link in with the action when i carry over
[16:04] <hallyn> robbiew to review ServerTeam wiki [carried over]
[16:04] <Daviey> i thought that was done?
[16:04] <hallyn> hm, is robbiew in?
[16:04] <SpamapS> I recall him claiming he'd done it as well.
[16:04] <robbiew> o/
[16:04] <hallyn> hm, didn't get updated on the meeting page...
[16:05] <hallyn> robbiew: ^ ServerTeam wiki all reviewed and uptodate?
[16:05] <zul> yeah i totally missed the boat on the server page
[16:06] <robbiew> yup...at least the external one
[16:06] <hallyn> zul: meaning action items aren't updated?  in that case let me search the logs for the real ction items
[16:07] <ShootEmUp> Hi everyone!
[16:09] <SpamapS> ShootEmUp: welcome!
[16:09] <ShootEmUp> glad to be here
[16:10] <hallyn> feh, there, jan 4
[16:10] <hallyn> yay, there ARE no actions from the jan 4 meeting
[16:11] <SpamapS> \o/
[16:11] <hallyn> so, barring objections (i.e. if i'm mistaken), i'll move on
[16:11] <ShootEmUp> none? what do they do in those meetings?
[16:11] <hallyn> [TOPIC] Natty Development
[16:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Natty Development
[16:11] <hallyn> ShootEmUp: play duke nukem
[16:11] <hallyn> robbiew: ^ over to you
[16:11] <ShootEmUp> hallyn, what?
[16:12]  * robbiew wonders why he covers the one topic he doesn't do :P
[16:12] <robbiew> heh
[16:12] <robbiew> so we made great progress on work items
[16:12] <ShootEmUp> charlie-tca!
[16:12] <robbiew> lots of Done's, Postpones, and dropped
[16:12] <robbiew> all goodness
[16:12] <robbiew> I haven't checked bugs yet
[16:13] <robbiew> but I usually know of the serious ones...from the irc pings and email
[16:13] <robbiew> that's it!
[16:13] <SpamapS> Thanks Mr. Narwhal!
[16:13] <ShootEmUp> I have a topic to debate
[16:13] <hallyn> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[16:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[16:13] <SpamapS> ShootEmUp: if its not related to the current topic please hold it until Open Discussion
[16:13] <andreserl> ShootEmUp: wait till the end of the meeting for Open Discussion :)
[16:13] <ShootEmUp> okay
[16:14] <hallyn> didn't actually see hggdh today, is he around?
[16:14] <hallyn> guess not, moving on, i know smb is here :)
[16:14] <hallyn> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)
[16:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)
[16:15] <smb> So I did some little stuff last week but have no paper records, hence I am not sure anymore what that was
[16:15] <smb> Currently working on bug 686692
[16:16] <smb> which I can locally reproduce but not yet found a final solution
[16:16] <Daviey> smb, Is that the bug that only happend on t1.micro i386's?
[16:16] <smb> just that it would boot if the mem= is a multiple of 4
[16:16] <smb> Daviey, t1.micro but I believe both i386 and x86_64
[16:16] <Daviey> ah
[16:17] <smb> They are doing something different with memory layout too. Just not sure this is just something that happens too or related
[16:17] <hallyn> any questions for smb?
[16:18] <smb> Other thing I pushed for SRU in lucid is the paper over approach for bug 614853
[16:18] <smb> To keep until we found/got a real solution
[16:19] <Daviey> smb, What nasty effects does it have?
[16:19] <smb> The current patch just avoids the divide by zero. While the variable in question is supposed to never be zero in the first place
[16:20] <smb> So I sent two patches for sru, the one preventing the divide and one sort of debug patch to yell when the variable is set/left zero
[16:21] <smb> smoser, Are you arround?
[16:21] <smoser> o/
[16:21] <smoser> yeah, smb, i agree with that.
[16:22] <smb> Just saw your bug 704022
[16:22] <smoser> one thing i had considered would have been to just add the debugging bit, and let it crash
[16:22] <smb> Though I am a bit confused by the logs as the ones which say with option and working seem to contain drops into busybox as well
[16:22] <smoser> even with info like "if you see this message, please add to bug  at https://launcpad.net/..."
[16:23] <smoser> smb i may have uploaded incorrect (un-trimmed) logs
[16:23] <smoser> but it does fail
[16:23] <smb> smoser, What made me rethink a bit is that those affected people seem to run production severs with that and so maybe a avoid and complain is preferable
[16:24] <smoser> yeah, so the reboot with argument i sjust not trimmed
[16:24] <smoser> so it contains the previous boot log (thats why the busybox in the middle of it)
[16:24] <smoser> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/62372677/restart-with-unplug-arg.txt
[16:24] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://launchpadlibrarian.net/62372677/restart-with-unplug-arg.txt
[16:24] <smb> smoser, Ah ok. That xvd* does not show up without the option is ok. Though one would think the sd* devices should always
[16:25] <smoser> smb, yeah, i agree, getting people actually fixed is good, but if you fix the problem you'll never get debug info
[16:25] <smoser> they wont send it becuase they wont know they have a problem
[16:25] <hallyn> so do you want it changed?  (let's either make a decision, or move offline?)
[16:25]  * SpamapS wonders if this couldn't be discussed further offline?
[16:26]  * SpamapS apologizes for smashing hallyn's toes
[16:26] <smoser> i can defer to smb's decision.
[16:26] <hallyn> grrr
[16:26] <hallyn> ok - any other questions for smb?
[16:26] <hallyn> (or from)
[16:26] <hallyn> if not,
[16:26] <smb> I am done
[16:26] <hallyn> thanks, smb
[16:26] <hallyn> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer)
[16:26] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer)
[16:27] <hallyn> sommer is not around
[16:27] <Daviey> :(
[16:27] <hallyn> yup
[16:27] <hallyn> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Ubuntu Community Team (kim0)
[16:27] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Ubuntu Community Team (kim0)
[16:27] <hallyn> kim0 is also not around
[16:27] <hallyn> and so, we move on to
[16:27] <hallyn> [TOPIC] Open Discussion
[16:27] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion
[16:28] <andreserl> ShootEmUp: your turn
[16:28] <ShootEmUp> should ubuntu try to look like windows or Mac or neither?
[16:28] <andreserl> lol
[16:29] <SpamapS> ShootEmUp: you may want to ask that in #ubuntu
[16:29] <hallyn> like my old palm V
[16:29] <andreserl> ShootEmUp: indeed. This is the Server team meeting
[16:29] <andreserl> lol
[16:29] <ShootEmUp> okay
[16:29] <hallyn> SpamapS: for some reason i thougth there was something you wanted to discuss?
[16:30] <SpamapS> why does everybody always assume I want to TALK? ;)
[16:30] <SpamapS> no I'm good
[16:30] <hallyn> :)
[16:30] <Daviey> wow, first time for everything! :)
[16:30] <hallyn> anybody?  going once...
[16:30] <zul> SpamapS: because you are a chatty cathy
[16:30] <SpamapS> zul: whatever you nervous nelly
[16:30] <hallyn> going twice...
[16:31] <zul> SpamapS: i know what you are but what am i?
[16:31] <hallyn> [TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time
[16:31] <MootBot> New Topic:  Announce next meeting date and time
[16:31] <hallyn> hm, the meeting page says feb 1
[16:31] <hallyn> i dont' think that's right
[16:31] <hallyn> I would have assumed:
[16:31] <zul> 25th
[16:31] <hallyn> Tuesday, January 25 2011 16:00 UTC
[16:32] <hallyn> ok, another almost action-free meeting.
[16:32] <hallyn> thanks all
[16:32] <hallyn> #endmeeting
[16:32] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:32.
[16:32] <andreserl> \o/
[16:59] <apw> o/
[16:59] <jjohansen> \o
[16:59] <cking> \o  yes I'm here
[16:59] <smb> \o
[16:59]  * tgardner waves
[17:00]  * ara waves
[17:00] <sforshee> \o
[17:01]  * smb looks expectingly at bjf
[17:02] <cking> not a US holiday today too?
[17:02] <bjf> 09:59 by my clock
[17:02] <bjf> #startmeeting
[17:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 11:02. The chair is bjf.
[17:02] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[17:02] <bjf> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[17:02] <bjf> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[17:02] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[17:02] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[17:02] <bjf> #
[17:02] <bjf> # NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input.
[17:02] <bjf> #
[17:02] <bjf> [TOPIC] ARM Status (bjf)
[17:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Status (bjf)
[17:03] <bjf> Nothing new
[17:03] <bjf> ..
[17:03] <bjf> [TOPIC] Release Metrics (JFo)
[17:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Release Metrics (JFo)
[17:03] <bjf> no JFo today?
[17:04] <bjf> guess not, moving on
[17:04] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: Kernel Configuration Review (apw)
[17:04] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-config-review
[17:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: Kernel Configuration Review (apw)
[17:04] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-config-review
[17:04] <apw> o/
[17:04] <apw> Nothing to report here.
[17:04] <apw> ..
[17:04] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: Enhancements to the firmware test suite (cking)
[17:04] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-firmware-test-suite-enhancements
[17:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: Enhancements to the firmware test suite (cking)
[17:04] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-firmware-test-suite-enhancements
[17:05] <cking> Changes to fwts (natty development branch):
[17:05] <cking>  * 0.21.0 now in Natty universe.
[17:05] <cking>  * wmi test: handle table not found error more gracefully.
[17:05] <cking>  * report off by one error on month in date.
[17:05] <cking>  * add --disassemble-aml.
[17:05] <cking>  * fix null pointer segfault.
[17:05] <cking>  * syntaxcheck test: add 40 advice lines on specific error output.
[17:05] <cking> ..
[17:05] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: Handling of Deviations from Standard Kernels (smb)
[17:05] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-stable-frankenkernel-maintenance
[17:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: Handling of Deviations from Standard Kernels (smb)
[17:05] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-stable-frankenkernel-maintenance
[17:05] <smb> Done.
[17:05] <smb> [ACTION] bjf remove from agenda
[17:05] <smb> ..
[17:05] <bjf> i'll remove from agenda
[17:05] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: Review of the Stable Maintenance Process (sconklin / bjf)
[17:05] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-stable-process-review
[17:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: Review of the Stable Maintenance Process (sconklin / bjf)
[17:05] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-stable-process-review
[17:06] <bjf> * The kernel team will take responsibility for setting the verification-needed tags on bugs at the beginning of the verification phase
[17:06] <bjf> ..
[17:06] <bjf> [TOPIC] Status: Cert. Team  (ara)
[17:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Status: Cert. Team  (ara)
[17:06] <ara> o/
[17:06] <ara> Nothing to report here, we will test the -proposed kernel once the verification is done
[17:07] <ara> we will report on status on the meeting next week
[17:07] <ara> ..
[17:07] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: Ubuntu Kernel Delta Review (apw)
[17:07] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-ubuntu-delta-review
[17:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: Ubuntu Kernel Delta Review (apw)
[17:07] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-ubuntu-delta-review
[17:07] <apw> 16 of the 19 personal patch reviews are now done.  Some work remains on compcache which is now superceeded by zram in staging, but some userspace work is required to switch to it.  Nothing else of interest occuring.
[17:07] <apw> ..
[17:07] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: Kernel Version and Flavours (apw)
[17:07] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-version-and-flavours
[17:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: Kernel Version and Flavours (apw)
[17:07] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-version-and-flavours
[17:07] <apw> Master kernels are now at v2.6.37 and remain stable.  OMAP3 kernels now switched over to the distro master branch and being used in ARM images.  ti-omap4 is a little behind the curve and being investigated.
[17:07] <apw> ..
[17:08] <bjf> [TOPIC] Status: Ecryptfs (jj)
[17:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Status: Ecryptfs (jj)
[17:08] <jjohansen> Currently working with light testing, if you don't mind losing your data you can play with it (it doesn't handle unexpected stuff yet)
[17:08] <jjohansen> current issues, that need to be resolved
[17:08] <jjohansen>  - code cleanup
[17:08] <jjohansen>  - name collisions
[17:08] <jjohansen>     - actual fs name
[17:08] <jjohansen>       - multiple uses of same name from different directories
[17:08] <jjohansen>          - dentry tag on lookup
[17:08] <jjohansen>     - could use inode tag (force verifying for all names on tagged file)
[17:08] <jjohansen>   - Graceful fallback
[17:08] <jjohansen>     - should fallback to shortname if xattr is missing, currently fill_dir fails
[17:08] <jjohansen>     - should fallback to something that earlier versions of ecryptfs can
[17:08] <jjohansen>       support (ie. a valid shortname).
[17:08] <jjohansen>       - currently Fill dir, detects unencrypted names with leading // as
[17:08] <jjohansen>         shortname tag
[17:09] <jjohansen> - need to expand current testing into a full regression test suite
[17:09] <jjohansen> ..
[17:09] <tgardner> jjohansen, do you have a branch somewhere for this work?
[17:09] <jjohansen> ah yeah
[17:10] <apw> make sure its on something which is backed up! :)
[17:10] <jjohansen> kernel.ubuntu.com/jj/ubuntu-natty.git
[17:10] <jjohansen> give me a sec to push the latest up
[17:12] <bjf> [TOPIC] Status: Natty (apw)
[17:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Status: Natty (apw)
[17:12] <apw> The main distro kernel is now at 2.6.37-12.26 (v2.6.37 final based).  We are still in an extended merge window for v2.6.38-rc1, but testing of Ubuntu kernels based on this is looking ok so far.
[17:12] <apw> ..
[17:12] <bjf> [TOPIC] Security & bugfix kernels - Maverick/Lucid/Karmic/Hardy/Dapper (sconklin / bjf)
[17:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Security & bugfix kernels - Maverick/Lucid/Karmic/Hardy/Dapper (sconklin / bjf)
[17:12] <bjf> || Package                                    || Upd/Sec              || Proposed             ||  TiP || Verified ||
[17:12] <bjf> ||                                            ||                      ||                      ||      ||          ||
[17:12] <bjf> || dapper   linux-source-2.6.15               || 2.6.15-55.90         || 2.6.15-55.91         ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:12] <bjf> ||                                            ||                      ||                      ||      ||          ||
[17:12] <bjf> || hardy    linux                             || 2.6.24-28.81         || 2.6.24-28.84         ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:12] <bjf> ||                                            ||                      ||                      ||      ||          ||
[17:12] <bjf> || karmic   linux-ec2                         || 2.6.31-307.23        || 2.6.31-307.24        ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:12] <bjf> || ---      linux                             || 2.6.31-22.70         || 2.6.31-22.71         ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:12] <bjf> ||                                            ||                      ||                      ||      ||          ||
[17:12] <bjf> || lucid    linux-ec2                         || 2.6.32-311.23        || 2.6.32-312.24        ||    5 ||        5 ||
[17:12] <bjf> || ---      linux-meta-lts-backport-maverick  || <IP_ADDRESS>.34         || <IP_ADDRESS>.35         ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:12] <bjf> || ---      linux-lts-backport-maverick       || 2.6.35-22.34~lucid1  || 2.6.35-23.41~lucid1  ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:13] <bjf> || ---      linux-firmware                    || 1.34.1               || 1.34.3               ||    2 ||        2 ||
[17:13] <bjf> || ---      linux                             || 2.6.32-27.49         || 2.6.32-28.55         ||    5 ||        5 ||
[17:13] <bjf> || ---      linux-meta                        || <IP_ADDRESS>.29         || <IP_ADDRESS>.31         ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:13] <bjf> ||                                            ||                      ||                      ||      ||          ||
[17:13] <bjf> || maverick linux-meta                        || <IP_ADDRESS>.28         || <IP_ADDRESS>.31         ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:13] <bjf> || ---      linux-firmware                    ||                      || 1.38.3               ||    3 ||        3 ||
[17:13] <bjf> || ---      linux                             || 2.6.35-24.42         || 2.6.35-25.43         ||   20 ||       18 ||
[17:13] <bjf> ||                                            ||                      ||                      ||      ||          ||
[17:13] <bjf> * New kernels were uploaded and published to -proposed for all supported releases. We are now in the verification phase for these kernels.
[17:13] <bjf> * There is a regression in Maverick proposed  having to do with Radeo graphics ( bug 703553 ) that we'll be looking into.
[17:13] <bjf> * The kernel currently in -proposed for Lucid is the one which we anticipate being released for the .2 release.
[17:13] <bjf> ..
[17:14] <apw> o/
[17:14] <bjf> apw, go
[17:14] <apw> bjf is that TiP the cound that verified needs to get to
[17:14] <apw> ie is that showing a very good verification percentage ?
[17:15] <apw> ..
[17:15] <bjf> apw, yes and yes, most of the bugs were in fact fixed by upstream stable release
[17:15] <bjf> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions: Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[17:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion or Questions: Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[17:16] <cking> what does TiP mean?
[17:16] <ara> Test in Proposed?
[17:17] <tgardner> o/
[17:17] <bjf> tgardner, go
[17:17] <tgardner> once you upload to canonical-kernel-team, do you have to annoy an archive admin to pocket copy?
[17:17] <bjf> tgardner, yes
[17:17] <tgardner> as there is no queue
[17:17] <tgardner> hmmm
[17:17] <tgardner> ..
[17:17] <apw> that is similar to the normal need to hastle an AA to source NEW the package anyhow
[17:18] <bjf> tgardner, yes not the best of situations
[17:18] <bjf> thanks everyone
[17:18] <bjf> #endmeeting
[17:18] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:18.
[17:18] <ara> OK, thanks all!
[18:11]  * stgraber waves
[18:11] <stgraber> wendar: pong
[18:12] <wendar> stgraber: seems we're the only two
[18:12] <stgraber> apparently
[18:12] <stgraber> anyway, the only thing I really had for this meeting was the question about the version number
[18:12] <wendar> yes, we got a reply from the techboard on that
[18:13] <stgraber> cool, so we'll be able to get at least one of the apps uploaded to extra then
[18:14] <stgraber> that was the only thing I was waiting for to get suspended sentence uploaded
[18:14] <wendar> 2.5.1-0extras10.10.1
[18:14] <wendar> so <appversion>-<debianversion>-extras<ubuntuversion>.<packageversion>
[18:14] <wendar> where debian version is expected to be 0
[18:15] <stgraber> right
[18:15] <stgraber> also, one I push that to the PPA, it's going to get synced to extra and everyone will see it
[18:15] <stgraber> what was the magic part about the icon or something like that ?
[18:15] <stgraber> or the screenshots
[18:15] <stgraber> I seem to remember that we need to get a branch merged or something
[18:16] <wendar> it's in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PostReleaseApps/Metadata
[18:17] <stgraber> ok, and who do I need to ping to get the branch merged ?
[18:17] <stgraber> because I'm going to upload the package in the next 5 minutes or so, meaning it'll appear in the next 24 hours, so we'll need the branch merged before that
[18:19] <stgraber> he proposed the merge when he sent the application, but my guess is that the branch shouldn't be merged until we give the app a +1
[18:19] <stgraber> but should be merged before we upload
[18:19] <wendar> that I don't know (first time through the process)
[18:19] <wendar> I believe mvo has access
[18:19] <wendar> otherwise, I'd check in with stuart
[18:19] <wendar> (on UK timezone, though)
[18:20] <stgraber> I see it's commercial-ppa-uploaders
[18:20] <stgraber> checking who's in there
[18:21] <wendar> ah, robbiew is on there, he's online now
[18:24] <stgraber> ok, I poked tumbleweed about one last detail, then I'll wait for someone to merge that branch and will upload to the PPA
[18:30] <wendar> great, thanks!
[18:31] <wendar> I'll send a note to the ARB on version numbers
[18:31] <stgraber> ok
[18:33] <wendar> looks like we have one new application
[18:34] <wendar> no other progress on other applications
[18:35] <fagan> hey all sorry for being late
[18:36] <fagan> I looked into the code of the app that I said I would before christmas and its pretty big
[18:36] <fagan> id say they should go to universe rather than extras
[18:39] <wendar> that was 4dtris?
[18:42] <wendar> stgraber: if you're still on, 3 of us is enough to vote
[18:44] <fagan> wendar: yeah it was
[18:45] <fagan> its like 20 source files of C
[18:46] <wendar> fagan: ack!
[18:46] <fagan> so its pretty complex
[18:46] <fagan> I went through it and its ok though
[18:46] <wendar> well, it's a bit of a judgement call
[18:46] <fagan> there isnt anything harmful in there but I think in terms of complexity we should pass it on to universe
[18:47] <wendar> do you feel comfortable with the level of security review?
[18:47] <wendar> yes
[18:47] <fagan> well i didnt see anything bad
[18:48] <fagan> im very confident that its fine security wise
[18:49] <kees> 18:14 < wendar> so <appversion>-<debianversion>-extras<ubuntuversion>.<packageversion>
[18:49] <kees> 18:14 < wendar> where debian version is expected to be 0
[18:49] <kees> should be no dash between <debianversion> and extras:
[18:50] <kees> <upstream version>-<debianversion == 0>extras<ubuntu release version>.<packaging version>
[18:50] <wendar> kees: yah, I caught that when I reposted to ARB list
[18:50] <kees> (just saw that in backscroll)
[18:50] <kees> wendar: okay, cool :)
[18:51] <wendar> kees: the "for example" was right, I just got caught up in all the angle brackets in the detailed explanation :)
[18:51] <kees> hehe
[18:51] <kees> yeah
[18:52] <wendar> fagan: ENOSTGRABER, I think we'll have to wait until next meeting to vote on 4dtris
[18:53] <fagan> yeah
[18:53] <fagan> that sounds fair
[18:53] <wendar> fagan: but, it's worthwhile to post a summary of your recommendation to the ARB list
[18:53] <fagan> sure
[18:53] <wendar> that way we can talk about it between now and then
[18:53] <fagan> yeah I think its a judgement call if its accepted or not
[18:54] <fagan> depending on our view on large complex programs
[18:55] <wendar> yeah, we don't have a hard measure of "complexity"
[18:55] <wendar> (one of the things we talked about at UDS)
[18:55] <wendar> so, we'll make our best judgement
[18:55] <wendar> 20 C files is certainly a lot less than, say, the CPython interpreter
[18:56] <wendar> lines of code may enter into it
[18:57] <wendar> and dependencies (stand-alone/using system libraries/installing its own libraries)
[18:58] <wendar> I'll take on a task to review the new application before next meeting
[18:59] <wendar> call that a wrap on the ARB meeting
[19:02] <fagan> cool thanks wendar
[19:02] <wendar> fagan: do you want to be meeting chair next meeting?
[19:02] <fagan> wendar: sure
[19:02] <wendar> fagan: cool, I'll put you in the agenda
[19:03] <fagan> awesome
[19:53] <ShootEmUp> Hi everyone
[20:55] <paultag> sorry I'm late, guys
[20:55] <paultag> Oh wait, I'm not
[20:55] <paultag> I think this is the first meeting I've been on-time for.
[20:56] <czajkowski> paultag: you're early you special lad!
[20:56] <pleia2> just a reflex to apologize for being late? :)
[20:56] <paultag> pleia2: yeah!
[20:56] <czajkowski> not sure the others may remember though.. no mail was sent out till um about 4 mins ago
[20:57] <leogg> thank you for the reminder czajkowski :)
[20:58] <czajkowski> not sure we actualy have a meeting tbh folks
[20:58] <czajkowski> one thing on the agenda
[20:58] <czajkowski> and that was dealt with via email
[20:58] <pleia2> thank you for all your awesome work, loco council! :)
[20:58] <paultag> pleia2: :)
[20:59] <leogg> pleia2: :)
[20:59] <czajkowski> :)
[20:59] <popey> o/
[21:00] <paultag> Well, since we're all here
[21:00] <paultag> anyone have anything to say?
[21:00] <czajkowski> II've mailed team re re approvals
[21:01] <czajkowski> this cycle we only have a few
[21:01] <czajkowski> 	so we could do with picking a few from early next cycle as that list is massve
[21:01] <czajkowski> just a thought...
[21:01] <czajkowski> also paultag mentioned about coming up with some policies to help teams which would be ideal given the last few months with helping teams
[21:01] <leogg> yes, that's a great idea
[21:02] <paultag> I can formalize a few of them. Do we have any kind of RFC process for loco-contacts?
[21:02] <czajkowski> we have the guidelines page which is great
[21:03] <czajkowski> but I am noticing a good few teams having issues and I'd love to do more to help
[21:03] <czajkowski> but it'd be nice if we had something written down so we can get it translated
[21:03] <paultag> +1
[21:04] <czajkowski> simple things like if you're struggling come to us we cna help, for team elections if you need mediate  perhaps have 2 or 3 leaders if you cant reach a vote or if the team is small
[21:04] <czajkowski> share the roles/tasks
[21:04] <czajkowski> but some teams go the other extrme and that I do worry as it seems to end up with them in lots of hassle
[21:04] <czajkowski> aka unapproved or inhouse fighting
[21:05] <huats> eveing everyone
[21:05] <paultag> 'lo huats
[21:05] <paultag> huats: just chatting, making use of this chance where we're all online
[21:05] <huats> oh realy ?
[21:06] <czajkowski> the facotid in here is helping btw
[21:06] <czajkowski> *factoid
[21:06] <huats> hello czajkowski
[21:09] <czajkowski> leogg: paultag popey any comments?
[21:09] <czajkowski> if not I'm going to go back to dyingsick here!
[21:09] <paultag> czajkowski: hahaha
[21:09] <paultag> I have a comment --
[21:09] <paultag> If I can't dance, I don't want to be part of your revolution.
[21:09] <popey> nope
[21:10] <leogg> :)
[21:10] <paultag> Oh, on topic? this sounds great, and I think we should move forward with it
[21:10] <czajkowski> right love you and leave you all nn
[21:11] <paultag> night! I'll stay on if anyone comes about. Don't think we need logs or anything, aye?


[04:45] <pleia2> jose: if a team wants to consistantly use -2 I don't think that's a problem
[04:45] <pleia2> for openstack we all pretty much land on a meeting channel and always have our meetings there, regardless of conflicts
[04:45] <pleia2> works well, everyone knows where they are supposed to be :)


[00:00] <brainwash> mugshot will be part of Xubuntu 14.04 LTS
[00:00] <Orioa> i do not like the lts version
[00:00] <brainwash> but you might like this program
[00:01] <Orioa> im looking at it now
[00:02] <Orioa> im installing it now
[00:05] <ObrienDave> glenrock, you are correct. 96x96 JPG named to ~/.face works great. cheers :)
[00:05] <glenrock> great :)
[00:05] <Orioa> ok i got it to change the profile pic have to wait to logout till after my movie hopefully it worked
[00:05] <Orioa> i couldn't get it to work that way
[00:08] <Orioa> maybe it was the way i named it face.jpg
[00:08] <heavyammo> Hey guys, my sound is muted all of a sudden when I booted, how do I unmute it from terminal
[00:08] <brainwash> heavyammo: run "alsamixer"
[00:12] <heavyammo> brainwash,  I  tried funny key combos, but I still cannot umuted, I could move the slider up and down but the sound toggle that appears in the upper right corner has a red X on it
[00:14] <glenrock> heavyammo: try this:   amixer set Master 100% && amixer set PCM 100%
[00:15] <heavyammo> glenrock, did not work
[00:15] <heavyammo> this is what I get v
[00:15] <heavyammo> http://pastebin.com/U2EjYQ7L
[00:16] <glenrock> heavyammo: i see.
[00:17] <glenrock> heavyammo: go back to alsamixer.  you will see MM at the bottom of each of the muted channels.  you can unmute with the M key
[00:17] <glenrock> heavyammo: the MM should turn to 00
[00:17] <heavyammo> glenrock, <3
[00:17] <heavyammo> it worked
[00:17] <heavyammo> thanks a lot
[00:17] <glenrock> woohoo!
[00:17] <glenrock> np
[00:18] <heavyammo> I was going nuuutts
[02:39] <xubuntu821> hello?
[02:39] <glenrock> hi, we're here
[02:39] <holstein> xubuntu821: hey.. feel free and ask if you have a question, or use the #xubuntu-offtopic channel for chat.. thanks!
[02:40] <xubuntu821> I'm having trouble getting my laptop to boot with usb. i keep getting "bootmgr is missing. press ctrl alt delete"
[02:40] <xubuntu821> i formatted the flash drive to 12.04.1 xubuntu
[02:41] <holstein> xubuntu821: you actually dont "format the drive to 12.04"
[02:41] <holstein> xubuntu821: you should check the sum of the downloaded iso, which i assume is 12.04.1.. then, you can use something like unetbootin to make a bootable usb stick, though, you should also be able to dd copy the iso over
[02:42] <holstein> !md5 | xubuntu821 if you want to check the sum
[02:43] <xubuntu821> but i got xubuntu to boot through wubi then in xubuntu i used os uninstaller to delete windows
[02:43] <holstein> you can also take the usb to another machine, one that may boot usb more easily, and test it, to make sure its possible to boot.. then, you can reduce the variables, knowing that the stick is functional
[02:44] <holstein> xubuntu821: wubi wont work without the windows, AFAIK
[02:44] <uBUXUBu> happy freakin new years xubuntites!
[02:44] <holstein> xubuntu821: you would do a fresh install from the iso, if you want a normal xubuntu install.. or you can read about how to migrate the wubi install to a normal install.. but, its not trivial, and the fresh install is much easier
[02:45] <xubuntu821> so the only option would be to burn a cd with xubuntu on it? since the usb method isn't working
[02:45] <holstein> xubuntu821: no.. you can test that you have made the USB properly, and if the machine boots usb, you can boot usb
[02:47] <holstein> xubuntu821: looks to me like, you have removed windows, and the bootmgr, and that message is saying "i have nothing on the hard drive that i can boot any longer"
[02:47] <holstein> xubuntu821: you should be able to boot USB or whatever the machine is capable of booting and do an installation of xubuntu
[02:47] <xubuntu821> i can't use unetbootin on the laptop since i have no OS installed. i do have another laptop though. what am i supposed to do with the usb flash drive if I'm not supposed to format it to xubuntu??
[02:48] <holstein> xubuntu821: thats just not the way you do it.. the format of the disk is one thing.. then, the data you put on it is another
[02:48] <holstein> xubuntu821: you will use a fat32 formatted stick with unetbootin to make the xubuntu bootable usb stick
[02:49] <simo1> (this might be a dumb question) but are u sure the system is reading the usb first in the booting order?
[02:50] <holstein> looks to me like it is not.. it is trying to read the hard drive that is broken now, due to removing windows
[02:50] <xubuntu821> yea i put the usb first
[02:50] <holstein> xubuntu821: thats the error i would expect to see if, either, the machine is booting the hard drive instead, or the stick is not created properly
[02:51] <simo1> but when it starts up, if you hold in enter (on mine) it will put you into bios and you can choose from the list of alternative startups (or something...) and select the USB there...? (you probably know.)
[02:51] <xubuntu821> my usb is ntfs btw. i read somewhere that i was supposed to convert fat32 to ntfs
[02:52] <holstein> xubuntu821: you are reading here, right now.. you take a fat32 formatted stick, and use unetbootin to create a bootable stick
[02:52] <holstein> xubuntu821: not ntfs
[02:52] <xubuntu821> i can select the usb i want to boot but i get the message "bootmgr is missing" and that happened even when my windows os was still on the laptop
[02:52] <simo1> doh
[02:53] <holstein> xubuntu821: it tries to boot the stick, that is not created correctly.. then, goes on to the hard drive, and gives that error message
[02:53] <holstein> xubuntu821: make the stick properly.. test it on another machine
[02:54] <xubuntu821> it also says the same thing. i guess I'll convert the usb to fat32
[02:54] <holstein> xubuntu821: then, the issue is with the stick you made.. so, try making with the suggested filesystem.. you wont convert it. you will format it fat32 and remake the stick
[02:56] <xubuntu821> oh lol yes format to fat32. then what? place the .iso on the usb?
[02:57] <holstein> xubuntu821: no
[02:57] <holstein> xubuntu821: you either use unetbootin to create a bootable stick, or you can dd copy the image
[02:57] <holstein> xubuntu821: placing the image on the drive will *not* make it bootable
[02:58] <xubuntu821> isn't unetbootin used for the laptop that you plan to put the os on? because it asks to reboot after. i want to use this usb for the other laptop
[02:58] <holstein> xubuntu821: no
[02:58] <simo1> i dont mean to step on any toes - but doesn't Unet do all of the work for you? all it needs is a fully blank drive - you don't need to format it to anything. just blank it out and let it do its thing..?
[02:59] <holstein> xubuntu821: it is for making a bootable usb stick.. when you are asked "would you like to reboot and test" say, no, and take the stick to another machine
[03:00] <holstein> simo1: honestly, i dont remember.. i thought you had to have it prepared.. maybe in windows it'll do it automatically
[03:00] <holstein> xubuntu821: you make the stick bootable with unetbootin literally on whatever machine you like, then take the stick to whatever machine you like
[03:02] <Orioa> anyone know how to move log in box?
[03:02] <xubuntu821> would you happen to know what a "volume label" for my drive would be
[03:02] <xubuntu821> trying to format to fat32 via CMD
[03:03] <holstein> xubuntu821: name it what you want.. i say, go with the defaults so as not to break it
[03:03] <holstein> xubuntu821: use gparted
[03:03] <holstein> !info gparted
[03:03] <holstein> Orioa: move log in box?
[03:04] <Orioa> yeah it is the middle of window want to move it to like the bottom
[03:04] <holstein> Orioa: move what?
[03:04] <Orioa> the log in box were you put your name and password
[03:04] <holstein> Orioa: for the main system? at the main user login screen?
[03:04] <Orioa> yes
[03:05] <xubuntu821> okay the formatting begins
[03:05] <simo1> yabbadabbado
[03:06] <holstein> Orioa: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LightDM might help.. otherwise, i might just look for a login manager that fits my needs better out of the box
[03:07] <Orioa> k ty
[03:07] <xubuntu821> so is it possible to install xubuntu without wubi, usb or cd?
[03:08] <holstein> xubuntu821: its all open, so yes.. literally most anything is possible
[03:08] <holstein> xubuntu821: you will, at some point, want to boot something.. and those are among the easiest ways
[03:09] <xubuntu821> i won't even ask how to. wubi seems like the easiest way but why would anyone want to use both ubuntu and windows. takes up space for no reason
[03:09] <holstein> xubuntu821: there are reasons
[03:12] <xubuntu821> is formatting supposed to take this long? only 6%
[03:19] <RipresaTecn> in widnows xubuntu821 ?
[03:19] <xubuntu821> yup usibg command prompt
[03:19] <xubuntu821> using
[03:19] <RipresaTecn> command your using plz
[03:19] <xubuntu821> format /fs:fat32 f:
[03:19] <RipresaTecn> add quick in there before f:
[03:20] <xubuntu821> invalid parameter...
[03:21] <holstein> xubuntu821: use gparted to do the format.. the time it takes depends on many things.. you can be doing it incorrectly in the command line
[03:22] <RipresaTecn> well i know windows can do it just havent done it in years lol
[03:22] <RipresaTecn> try adding quick before/fs
[03:25] <xubuntu821> okay i formatted it using another tool. took about 10 seconds. im doing the unetbootin thing now. I've done this before. i think it'll end with the same result
[03:26] <RipresaTecn> well now im going to havge to install windows and figure our how to do it just cause
[03:27] <xubuntu821> nah dont waste your time on windows. xubuntu was great for the little time i did use it
[03:28] <RipresaTecn> ahh it would be a waste of time but i enjoy using both
[03:28] <xubuntu821> alright I'm finished with unetbootin. now do i try booting usb?
[03:31] <xubuntu821> it worked!!! thanks holstein
[03:31] <RipresaTecn> youll need to either chnage your boot order in your bios or access your boot menu
[03:31] <RipresaTecn> ok nvm
[03:32] <RipresaTecn> lol
[03:32] <xubuntu821> i guess i did need fat32
[03:33] <xubuntu821> lol thank you too RipresaTecn
[03:33] <RipresaTecn> lol
[03:43] <xubuntu656> hi - no joy in loading xubuntu 12.10 desktop 64. regardless of image, getting i/o error 5 while coping files. using sandisk usb for image. installing to another sandisk (32gb) usb. any ideas???
[03:49] <xubuntu885> Hi - looking for some help installing xubuntu 12.10 or other...
[03:50] <Unit193> Problem?  Also, not 13.10?
[03:53] <xubuntu885> thank! getting i/o error 5 when installing. using sandisk usb for iso and another for boot installation. copy starts fine but err5 after about 2mins. tried several versions with same result...
[03:55] <xubuntu885> oh, also tried 13.10 w same result
[04:27] <xubuntu885> hi - I've tried 13.10 & 12.10 desktop 64 iso and both show 1 error after using "File Integrity Check". any ideas? thanks!
[04:32] <fibz_> if you are torrenting, force re-check of file data in the torrent client after downloads to ensure that corruption issues are repaired
[04:32] <fibz_> otherwise there could be a problem with the USB device you are running from
[05:02] <xubuntu490> hi - have trouble installing 13.10 - md5 checksum matches but "file integrity check" shows 1 file error. install starts fine but err5 after 2min or so. any ideas?? thanks!
[05:02] <holstein> xubuntu490: could be the internet connection you are using to download the iso's. that would be a common element
[05:03] <xubuntu490> wouldn't that show up in the checksum?
[05:03] <holstein> xubuntu490: if the md5 sum matches, i would expect it to be "ok".. in that scenario, i would try a different installation media
[05:03] <holstein> USB for example, if you are using optical drives.. could be a bad optical drive
[05:03] <holstein> you could test that by taking it to another machine
[05:03] <holstein> i have a machine with a bad optical drive.. i take the hard drive to another machine to image it
[05:04] <xubuntu490> using sandisk usb for install and another for ultimate boot - tried several images w same result...
[05:04] <holstein> xubuntu490: try and determine the common element. are you using the same stick each time? will the stick boot on other hardware? will *any* stick boot on the machine in question?
[05:05] <xubuntu490> ok - i'll try some other combos... thanks for the quick response :)
[05:14] <uBUXUBu> hi everyone
[05:15] <holstein> uBUXUBu: hello!.. be sure you use the #xubuntu-offtopic channel for chat
[05:15] <xubuntu490> will do
[07:34] <xubuntu504> buenas noches, tengo una impesora epson xp201... alguien sabe como podría monitorear el nivel de ttinta ?
[07:34] <Unit193> !es
[07:35] <xubuntu504> ok.. muchas gracias
[08:58] <F1k> o/
[09:00] <F1k> is there anyone who can point me towards a thread where I can read about automating (x)ubuntu installations?
[09:06] <Unit193> !automate
[11:12] <phasip> Hey! The ubuntu update dialog always pops up when I run apt-get update which I don't want, how can I disable this?
[11:13] <phasip> Also, I have some software installed from the ubuntu software center that apparently has a upgrade, but it doesn't get upgraded when I do apt-get upgrade, do I have to do this thought the GUI or can I make apt-get upgrade these too?
[11:15] <Unit193> Might want to read the difference on dist-upgrade and upgrade.  The dialog automatically popping up is a "feature" enjoy it or disable Software updater from launching (like I did a long time ago), used to be an option.
[11:17] <phasip> Unit193: Allright, actually dist-upgrade doesn't upgrade this app either =/
[11:17] <Unit193> Weird, is this something you paid for?
[11:21] <phasip> Nope, but now that I checked it behaves weird. If I only check in the software center there's no upgrade, but when the app asks me to upgrade and I choose yes it sends me to the software center where there now is a upgrade... I guess there's some black magic there.
[11:24] <Unit193> I'm going with that, purged USC long ago too.
[11:24] <fibz_> something might have an unmet dependency?
[11:27] <phasip> Unit193: What's your reason for sticking with (x)ubuntu and not use debian instead then?
[11:27] <phasip> fibz_: Dunno, that feels strange, shouldn't apt-get fix that or at least warn about it? Anyway, I just went with upgrading through the software center this time =/
[11:28] <Unit193> Plenty of other reasons, community and that Xubuntu sometimes tends to keep up with Xfce better, has a nice setup.  Yeah, if you have unmet deps, it will very loudly tell you.
[11:29] <phasip> Allright, thanks Unit193, went from arch -> xubuntu and have lately started thinking that maybe I should use debian instead
[11:30] <Unit193> Sure, at the very least in a VM.
[11:34] <phasip> Oh, didn't think of that. Yeah, probably will.
[13:06] <Szymek_> Witam :)
[13:50] <xubuntu106> hi guys. been trying out xubuntu in live mode, looks and feels great. how does it pan out as an everyday desktop distro (net, movies, music, pics etc.)? Is there anything i might miss as an ordinary desktop user?
[13:52] <cfhowlett> xubuntu106, I dual boot.  I use windows when I'm working as your whiteboard and custom software require it.  ubuntu for everything else.  ubuntu has met my needs quite readily and I will continue using it as I have since 2007.
[13:53] <xubuntu106> I find unity a bit clustered and distracting whenever i enter the dash. As for the shortcuts, i can dock them somewhere else. Just wondering if Xfce's not too deprecated or anything similar...
[13:54] <cfhowlett> !wfm
[13:54] <cfhowlett> !ymmv
[14:00] <xubuntu005> Hello world
[14:00] <xubuntu005> I have a problem Xubuntu 12.04 LTS
[14:00] <cfhowlett> xubuntu005, details
[14:01] <xubuntu005> I have problem to Xubuntu 12.04 LTS no upgrade to 12.10
[14:01] <xubuntu005> why?
[14:01] <cfhowlett> error messages?
[14:01] <xubuntu005> Yes
[14:01] <cfhowlett> crystal ball is out for repairs ...
[14:04] <xubuntu005> I have this error message to xubuntu 12.04 LTS upgrade to 12.10
[14:04] <xubuntu005> can no upgrade:An upgrade from 'quantal' to 'saucy' is not supported with this tool
[14:04] <xubuntu005> why?
[14:05] <xubuntu005> Help me please?
[14:07] <knome> !patience | xubuntu005
[14:07] <xubuntu005> Thanks
[14:07] <knome> xubuntu005, the reason you're getting that message is that quantal (13.04) is not an LTS release
[14:08] <xubuntu005> OK
[14:08] <xubuntu005> Good
[14:08] <knome> sorry, quantal is 12.10.
[14:09] <knome> saucy (13.10) isn't an LTS version either.
[14:09] <xubuntu005> ok
[14:09] <xubuntu005> Thanks
[14:09] <knome> np
[14:09] <knome> you can upgrade normally to 13.04, then to 13.10 if you wish
[14:10] <xubuntu005> I have 12.04 LTS
[14:10] <knome> are you sure? the error message doesn't sound like that
[14:10] <xubuntu005> yes
[14:11] <knome> xubuntu005, type 'lsb_release -a' in a terminal
[14:11] <knome> (without the quotes)
[14:11] <knome> then see what it says what the release is
[14:12] <knome> but ultimately... the next LTS release after 12.04 isn't released yet, will be in april
[14:12] <xubuntu005> open terminal and i see ubuntu 12.10 quantal
[14:12] <knome> ok, then you are in 12.10 quantal, not 12.04 LTS
[14:12] <knome> or something is messed up
[14:12] <xubuntu005> ok
[14:12] <xubuntu005> 12.10 very good
[14:12] <knome> probably the former
[14:12] <knome> so as i said, you can upgrade to 13.04, then 13.10 (two separate upgrades)
[14:12] <knome> 14.04 LTS will be out in april
[14:13] <xubuntu005> ok
[14:13] <xubuntu005> i cant upgrade to 13.10
[14:14] <xubuntu005> 12.10 quantal no upgrade to 13.10
[14:14] <xubuntu005> saucy
[14:14] <xubuntu005> why?
[14:15] <xubuntu005> ok ok good
[14:15] <knome> unless you upgrade with the LTS->LTS path, you can only upgrade to the *next* release
[14:16] <knome> so you will have to do two separate upgrades; from 12.10 to 13.04, and from 13.04 to 13.10
[14:16] <xubuntu005> Understand
[14:17] <xubuntu005> ok
[14:17] <xubuntu005> Thanks
[14:17] <knome> no problem; good luck and enjoy
[14:18] <xubuntu005> I like Xubuntu
[14:18] <xubuntu005> :)
[15:15] <dalit> just installed OS. where can i find file manager?
[15:16] <ipxman> thunar i believe
[15:17] <dalit> but where to locate it on start menu?
[15:17] <Sysi> accessories
[15:19] <dalit> i m also missing shortcut icons at the bottom center as in debian xfce
[15:46] <SonikkuAmerica> Oops, dalit left... I guess he'll find them soon enough.
[15:47] <ipxman> hopefully
[17:56] <xubuntu283> Hello, just one quick Q. Is it safe to install Rhythmbox in Xfce. considering it's gtk, i suspect it shouldn't be a problem.
[17:56] <xubuntu283> ?
[17:58] <holstein> xubuntu283: nothing particularly unsafe about that
[17:59] <xubuntu283> Great. thanks holstein:
[18:02] <Poisoned_Dragon> Doesn't rhythmbox pull in gnome packages?
[18:22] <GridCube> not if you --no-install-recommends
[18:35] <Poisoned_Dragon> Would it still be functional?
[18:35] <holstein> Poisoned_Dragon: it?
[18:35] <Poisoned_Dragon> rhythmbox
[18:35] <holstein> Poisoned_Dragon: id have to test it and see, but it should be fine
[18:36] <Poisoned_Dragon> no need
[18:36] <Poisoned_Dragon> Just curious
[18:36] <Poisoned_Dragon> the person relevant to the topic is long gone.
[19:37] <new-to-linux> hello
[19:38] <new-to-linux> can someone help me out pls. im running ubuntu 13.10 and it keeps freezing from time to time.
[19:38] <new-to-linux> is it laptop problem or ubuntu problem
[19:39] <PoseurDePneus> hello , most likely a problem with the hardware recognition by ubuntu
[19:39] <PoseurDePneus> what kind of laptop do you have, what graphic card / hard drive / proc
[19:39] <PoseurDePneus> ?
[21:08] <Alex__> hi
[21:09] <Alex__> sorry, what the time xubunto need to load at first installation?
[21:10] <TheSheep> it really depends on the hardware and the installation medium, but it shouldn't take more than, say, 2 hours
[21:10] <TheSheep> in the worst case
[21:12] <Alex__> It's the first contacs with linux, sorry for i**ot answers
[21:12] <TheSheep> no reason to feel sorry
[21:12] <Alex__> if i like it, i will install ubuntu on desktop
[21:13] <Alex__> but on installting there isn't any information really?
[21:13] <TheSheep> !install
[21:13] <Alex__> *aren't
[21:13] <TheSheep> "isn't" was correct
[21:14] <Alex__> i'm on holiday by school
[21:14] <Alex__> è.è
[21:14] <Alex__> *from
[21:14] <Alex__> i'm italian
[21:14] <TheSheep> yeah, I can see, your English is pretty good :)
[21:14] <Alex__> .... ahahhahaah
[21:15] <TheSheep> anyways, if you have any problems or questions, just ask here, and if anybody knows, they will answer
[21:16] <Alex__> yeah, i'm studing information technology, i love learn more every day
[21:16] <Alex__> thanls
[21:17] <Alex__> thanks
[21:17] <TheSheep> you are welcome
[21:20] <Alex__> i can write c++ code on linux really?
[21:20] <Alex__> what's the best linux ide?
[21:28] <TheSheep> Alex__: well, the opinions are split there
[21:28] <TheSheep> Alex__: a lot of people are using vim or emacs and don't really want any IDEs
[21:28] <TheSheep> Alex__: Java people usually use Eclipse
[21:29] <TheSheep> Alex__: KDE folk may use kdevelop
[21:29] <Alex__> ok
[21:29] <Alex__> thanks :D
[21:29] <TheSheep> !ide
[21:30] <TheSheep> Alex__: qtcreator is nice if you are using QT
[22:15] <delt> Hello
[22:15] <delt> how come my /etc/profile doesn't get run on new terminal logins?
[22:25] <delt> nm, kludged it by calling it from ~/.bashrc
[22:54] <delt> Hello
[22:54] <delt> my xubuntu machine is stuck on the login screen. how can i see some form of diagnostic?
[22:55] <ST66> force shut down with axe and go to sleep
[22:56] <bekks> delt: Did it work before?
[22:56] <knome> ST66, that's not a welcome attitude
[22:57] <delt> i might have f'd something up in /etc/ that it didn't like :/
[22:57] <delt> or in the user account
[22:59] <bekks> delt: So what else have you done in /etc/?
[22:59] <delt> oh, i added my account to several groups, including root
[22:59] <delt> that might be it
[23:00] <bekks> delt: Why? Why did you do that?
[23:00] <delt> cos that's the way im used to having it
[23:00] <bekks> ouch.
[23:01] <delt> anyway, i removed it, no go
[23:01] <delt> (from root group)
[23:02] <ST66> knome i know. just bored
[23:02] <knome> !offtopic | ST66
[23:03] <delt> the X11 server restarts when i login.
[23:05] <bekks> delt: Do you have enough free space?
[23:06] <delt> yeah
[23:12] <delt> hitsujiTMO: http://www.deimos.ca/miscjunk/lightdm.log.txt
[23:13] <delt> uh
[23:13] <delt> http://www.deimos.ca/miscjunk/lightdm.log.txt
[23:15] <xubuntu614> hello, how to increase the screen backlight? thanks
[23:19] <ST66> xubuntu614 laptop?
[23:19] <xubuntu614> yes
[23:20] <xubuntu614> laptop
[23:20] <delt> bingo, removing the files from /etc/profile.d/ did the trick
[23:21] <xubuntu614> sorry for bad english
[23:21] <ST66> xubuntu614 at moment you can't adjust brightness at all?
[23:22] <xubuntu614> I can not find where
[23:22] <ST66> with fn button
[23:23] <ST66> on keyboard
[23:23] <ST66> i dont know what laptop you have
[23:23] <xubuntu614>  Thank you. I found....
[23:23] <delt> how can i allow remote access to my X11 server? xhost isn't working :/
[23:23] <ST66> ;)
[23:30] <delt> been using slackware since the mid 90's ...i'm so stuck in my old ways :D