[03:24] <nalioth> bachstudies: <hint> <hint> it is xmas time, you know.
[03:24] <dooglus> SweetestSavage: ah, I see.  you might be better off in a windows channel then, if you're wanting to hack a windows .exe
[03:24] <_jason> user_ why the *, just use the filename: tar xf filename.tar
[03:24] <nameeate1> sethk: err, where are they stored? :)
[03:24] <Toma-> mcjerry: you cleaned out your breezy for dapper? :/
[03:24] <nickrud> MarcN, a personal opinion: install exim4-daemon-light, set it up as a smarthost, then edit /etc/exim4/passwd.client. If all you want is to send mail from your box, that's the easiest
[03:24] <SweetestSavage> dooglus - Alright, thanks
[03:24] <user_> _jason,
[03:24] <user_> gh!!
[03:24] <_jason> user_ gh?
[03:25] <mcjerry> Toma-: yea, other than a few application crashes, dapper stable enough here
[03:25] <sethk> nameeate1, let me see if I can find the file
[03:25] <user_> if i try to user
[03:25] <user_> use
[03:25] <user_> tar -xf *
[03:25] <nameeate1> sethk: thanks
[03:25] <MarcN> nickrud: I'll give it a go.
[03:25] <user_> what you thing^?
[03:25] <nameeate1> ah here we go, in the apt-get man
[03:25] <Evil_Whisper> Did eleaf leaf?
[03:25] <Evil_Whisper> *Leave?
[03:25] <nickrud> MarcN, I've been using that config on a user box for several years
[03:26] <dooglus> SweetestSavage: there's a linux hex editor called 'hexcurse' - but that won't help if you don't know what bits you want to edit
[03:26] <user_> is ridicle use tar -xf file.tar
[03:26] <user_> for all package
[03:26] <_jason> user_ I guess you can do 'tar xf *.tar' if you like
[03:26] <nameeate1> actually nope that isn't it
[03:26] <viscount> Anyone familiar with the tar -G flag?
[03:26] <sethk> nameeate1, look in /var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com ....
[03:26] <user_> tar -xf *.tar
[03:26] <user_> that is not correct to
[03:26] <mcjerry> Toma-: running as main fileserver, ubuntu-desktop/gnome and vdr for satellite tv - - all is fin
[03:26] <mcjerry> fine
[03:26] <user_> too
[03:26] <crimsun> steve_laptop: any progress?
[03:27] <Toma-> vdr?
[03:27] <|GaiJin|> is there some webcam support in gaim??
[03:27] <sethk> user_, tar -xv is not correct.  gnu tar tolerates it, but the correct syntax is   tar xf
[03:27] <bachstudies> nalioth, you have lost me. It is late so it might be me but I doubt it!
[03:27] <dooglus> user_: just "tar xf <tarfile>" to extract tarfile.  you can't specify multiple tar files at the same time
[03:27] <_jason> sethk may i /msg you please
[03:27] <sethk> user_, sorry, I wrote xv once instead of xf
[03:27] <sethk> _jason, sure
[03:27] <mcjerry> Toma-: look in synaptic for vdr
[03:27] <Toma-> ok!
[03:27] <MarcN> nickrud: heh, just lost what was in the mailq.   i should have figured that.
[03:27] <sethk> user_, those are not flags, they are commands (in a very primitive language) to tar
[03:27] <dooglus> sethk: the - is fine - but it changes the meaning a bit.
[03:27] <mcjerry> but compile latest package from sources...
[03:27] <nalioth> bachstudies: have a merry xmas, i mistakeny <tab>completed your nick
[03:28] <sethk> dooglus, you may be thinking about - being used for standard in or out.  that's a different situation
[03:28] <nickrud> MarcN, ouch
[03:28] <bachstudies> nalioth, you too. Maybe it is time to buy OSX after all
[03:28] <sethk> dooglus, tar -xf is never correct, and the - is ignored
[03:28] <mcjerry> Toma-: for more info on vdr, look on irc.uicn.net #vdr
[03:28] <dooglus> sethk: no, I'm thinking about the difference between "-xf" and "xf"
[03:28] <steve_laptop> crimsun,  grrrr im missing somthing                     http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6041
[03:28] <Toma-> oooo DVB cards... like tv capture cards?
[03:28] <viscount> user_, what are you trying to do?
[03:28] <dooglus> sethk: if that was the case then "tar fx" and "tar -fx" would both work
[03:28] <MarcN> nickrud: it was only a couple of nautilus bug reports.
[03:28] <nickrud> MarcN, well, actually if you didn't purge postfix, the messages may still be there. Getting them is another story :)
[03:28] <mcjerry> Toma-: do you have windows dual-boot?
[03:28] <Toma-> nope
[03:29] <MarcN> nickrud: I just did a apt-get install of exim...
[03:29] <user_> i try to uncompress al package
[03:29] <sethk> dooglus, f is special because it associates with a filename
[03:29] <user_> all
[03:29] <steve_laptop> crimsun,  do I need the souirce?
[03:29] <user_> not 2 or 3
[03:29] <mcjerry> yea, DVB, similar to tvcapture
[03:29] <dooglus> sethk: but "tar -fx file.tar" files, whereas "tar fx file.tar" works
[03:29] <user_> all
[03:29] <aTypical> Hey all.  Can someone point me to a howto for upgrading from 5.10 to 6.4?
[03:29] <Toma-> cool
[03:29] <steve_laptop> source
[03:29] <nickrud> MarcN, then, no purge. look in /var/postfix or something, I would think
[03:29] <mcjerry> sTypical: pm me
[03:29] <crimsun> steve_laptop: sudo apt-get -f install
[03:29] <dooglus> sethk: s/files/fails/
[03:29] <mcjerry> Toma-: where you live?
[03:30] <markive> nickserv
[03:30] <steve_laptop> crimsun,  ok next?
[03:30] <MarcN> nickrud: at the rate that nautilus crashes, i'll be able to regenerate those bug reports in no time.
[03:30] <_jason> markive do that in a server window
[03:30] <nickrud> lol
[03:30] <viscount> user_, probably need to do some scripting then, i think tar only works with one archive at a time
[03:30] <markive> _jason thanks
[03:30] <sethk> dooglus, I guess I'm being overly pedantic, as people here rarely have to deal with genuine unix tar
[03:30] <user_> for i in *.tar ; do tar xf $i ; done
[03:31] <dooglus> sethk: there are 3 different option styles.  run "info tar styles" to read about them
[03:31] <_jason> user_ I thought tar could take multiple files?  tar xf *.tar didn't work?
[03:31] <markive> i give in
[03:31] <user_> no
[03:31] <sethk> _jason, what did you expect that to do?
[03:31] <crimsun> steve_laptop: so alsa-source is installed?
[03:31] <user_> i need use a for
[03:31] <user_> for i in *.tar ; do tar xf $i ; done
[03:31] <markive> anyone else wardrive with ubuntu?
[03:32] <mcjerry> Toma-: do you have satellite tv now?
[03:32] <dooglus> user_: for i in *.tar; do tar xf "$i"; done      is better.  that works when there are spaces in the filenames, too
[03:32] <user_> but the . is useless
[03:32] <steve_laptop> crimsun,  yes
[03:32] <user_> just *tar not *.tar
[03:32] <crimsun> steve_laptop: sudo adduser $USER src
[03:32] <_jason> sethk I expected it to untar all the files but apparently it won't take multiple files
[03:32] <sethk> user_, there could conceivable be a case where he wants *.tar, not *tar
[03:33] <dooglus> _jason: if you say "tar xf file.tar a b c" it will only extract a, b and c from file.tar.  the a, b and c arguments refer to contents of file.tar - they aren't treated as tarfiles themselves
[03:33] <crimsun> steve_laptop: then log in on a virtual console (ctrl+alt+F1); you can switch back here with alt+F7
[03:33] <_jason> dooglus ah I see
[03:33] <sethk> _jason, right.  a file list in that context would be a list of file name to _extract_ from one tar file
[03:33] <DShepherd> dooglus: thanks. learnt something today :)
[03:33] <steve_laptop> crimsun,  ok and what is it I need to do in the virtual?
[03:34] <dooglus> DShepherd: what?
[03:34] <DShepherd>  "tar xf file.tar a b c"
[03:34] <DShepherd> and what it does
[03:34] <DShepherd> dooglus: thanks
[03:34] <user_> yes of course
[03:34] <user_> when you have 1000 file.tar
[03:34] <dooglus> DShepherd: ok.  learn "info" too.  like "info tar".  it's how the GNU apps are documented
[03:35] <user_> tar -xf 1 2 3 4 .... 1000
[03:35] <DShepherd> dooglus: yeah I know about info. Thanks for the info about info anyways
[03:35] <dooglus> user_: if you don't specify anything other than the tarfile, like "tar xf tarfile", it will extract the whole tarfile
[03:35] <parti> hello all
[03:35] <nameeate1> sethk: I now have: Sources.gz  MD5Sum mismatch :/
[03:36] <parti> Can you read this?
[03:36] <crimsun> steve_laptop: sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source
[03:36] <dooglus> we can, parti
[03:36] <dooglus> hi
[03:36] <parti> ok, looks like I am coneccted! yey!
[03:36] <nickrud> hi, parti
[03:36] <steve_laptop> ok
[03:36] <sethk> nameeate1, that's definitely a corrupted file, presumably a corrupted download
[03:36] <Krhis> ts
[03:36] <QQ_ghost> i have a friend with a SATA hda and linksys wireless (desktop/not PCMCIA) is the install easy?
[03:36] <parti> Guys. I am currently running Ubuntu Live CD.
[03:36] <Krhis> Sorry. ^^
[03:36] <sethk> nameeate1, there must be a reason you are getting corrupted files.
[03:36] <parti> I nned thy helo
[03:36] <parti> help
[03:36] <sethk> nameeate1, once could be a glitch, but not this
[03:36] <nameeate1> :/
[03:36] <parti> Hi dooglus and Nickrud :)
[03:36] <dooglus> keyboard problems, parti?  :)
[03:36] <nameeate1> anyway to purge the whole list and start again?
[03:37] <nameeate1> before it was gz files, now its md5
[03:37] <parti> no. Partition problemes, dooglus.
[03:37] <sethk> nameeate1, well, it is _still_ a gz file, only now it catches the problem sooner
[03:37] <pashaw> parti,  just ask
[03:37] <user_> but tarfile is not one
[03:37] <parti> I am using GParted.
[03:37] <sethk> nameeate1, md5sum is used to verify that something was correctly downloaded
[03:37] <nickrud> nameeate1, sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* will remove all the downloaded lists
[03:38] <user_> file1.tar  file2.tar file3.tar ...... file100.tar
[03:38] <dooglus> user_: what's the problem exactly?  you have 1000 tar files?
[03:38] <sethk> nameeate1, an attempt to uncompress would have given you the message about gz again
[03:38] <user_> now there is not problem
[03:38] <parti> I want to resize mi Paritition. I want to give mroe space for my Ubuntu
[03:38] <nameeate1> this sucks, it worked fine before :(
[03:38] <user_> for i in *.tar ; do tar xf $i ; done
[03:38] <user_> i used that
[03:38] <sethk> nameeate1, try nickrud's suggestion.  It isn't a fix, but the result would be illuminating
[03:38] <nickrud> parti, I'm not to strong on parted, but there are people here who are. Ask, using details :)
[03:38] <parti> but, Gparted tell me that I am appling to a Busy devices.. when I try to resize my Windows XP with NTFS filesystem
[03:38] <nameeate1> ok
[03:38] <dooglus> user_: that's fine, so long as none of the files have a space or a tab in their name.  if they do, you'll need to say "$i" instead of $i
[03:39] <parti> Yes Nickrud :)
[03:39] <parti> As I was saying. Gparted tells me that the device is busi. SO I cannot apply the resizing.
[03:39] <parti> What should I do ?
[03:39] <sethk> dooglus, user_, and watch out for filenames with ' in them, which happens in windows
[03:39] <dooglus> parti: what did you boot from?  a CD, or what?
[03:39] <parti> a Live CD.
[03:40] <nickrud> sethk, I've actually fixed weird auth problems by doing that :)
[03:40] <dooglus> sethk: that's not a problem if you use    tar xf "$i"
[03:40] <mcjerry> how can i read/write to ntfs filesystem if am read only now with dapper?
[03:40] <parti> I'm booting from Ubuntu's LIVE CD
[03:40] <steve_laptop> crimsun,  ok thats done but a no go so im going to try rebooting
[03:40] <crimsun> steve_laptop: no, don't reboot
[03:40] <steve_laptop> ok
[03:40] <crimsun> steve_laptop: we're not even close to being finished.
[03:40] <pashaw> parti,   did you try and look at your windows files before you started the partition program  you know looking around
[03:40] <sethk> dooglus, right, I should have said filenames with ", not with '
[03:40] <steve_laptop> :) sorry
[03:40] <crimsun> steve_laptop: tell me precisely what occurred
[03:41] <dooglus> sethk: that's not a problem either :)
[03:41] <parti> what do you mean pashaw ?
[03:41] <sethk> dooglus, it is if you don't escape the quotes
[03:41] <pashaw> parti,   do you have a window open showing your ntfs files
[03:41] <parti> if you mean that I started Windows before running the Live CD, then yes.
[03:41] <parti> I defragmented it.
[03:41] <steve_laptop> it ran I pick all the default settings and when it was done I ended up at at command line
[03:42] <steve_laptop> crimsun, it ran I pick all the default settings and when it was done I ended up at at command line
[03:42] <sethk> why do people defrag?  I've done extensive testing, and defrag does nothing to improve performance in almost all cases.
[03:42] <nalioth> parti: what problems are you having?
[03:42] <viscount> Can anyone helpme with creating incremental backups?
[03:42] <nickrud> defrag before repartitioning? makes sense ;P
[03:42] <parti> Well, I've read in the Ubuntu forums, that it is best to defrag Windows, before making resizing the partition.
[03:43] <sethk> nickrud, if you mean resizing partitions, then it might make sense
[03:43] <parti> That is was I defregmented it.
[03:43] <sethk> parti, I never trust partition resizers, but I'm paranoid
[03:43] <steve_laptop> viscount, I can but its going to be a but 30min...
[03:43] <nickrud> viscount, take a look at sbackup. it's a simple backup solution, that uses incremental backups. Also, there's some howto's on tldp.org
[03:43] <parti> The problems I am facing is that I don;t know how to resize partitions...
[03:43] <crimsun> steve_laptop: no, here are the choices to pick: answer "yes" to Plug n' play, "yes" to debugging symbols, deselect "all" and select "hda-intel", then save & exit
[03:43] <dooglus> sethk: if you're doing <<<for i in *.tar; do tar xf "$i"; done>>> then the filenames can have anything they like in them I believe
[03:44] <nickrud> sethk, uh, that is what I meant, but didn't say.
[03:44] <nalioth> parti: if you've started the LiveCd, and run "sudo gparted" then it should be self-explanatory
[03:44] <parti> Yeah, I think I don't trust it either.. but.. I must give it a chance. becuase I don't ahve any space at all in my Ubuntu partition
[03:44] <parti> and thus, it dosn't allow me to save anything.
[03:44] <steve_laptop> crimsun, ok will reduo it
[03:44] <viscount> nickrud, I know about it, but Im trying to learn how to do it myself
[03:44] <sethk> parti, make sure the partition is backed up before you resize
[03:44] <viscount> nickrud, i know about sbackup i mean..
[03:44] <pashaw> nalioth,  she said it displayed  drive in-use  when she tried to apply changes
[03:44] <nickrud> viscount, then take a look at the howtos on tldp.org (the linux documentation project)
[03:44] <nalioth> pashaw: then parti is not using the LiveCD, it sounds like
[03:45] <parti> Well, the thing is that I cannot back it up. Since I don't have any spaces at all :( I cannot even burn a CD, since it also requeres to have spaces for the cache I believe
[03:45] <mcjerry> Paragon 7tools Partition Manager is about the most reliable partition utility i have used
[03:45] <nalioth> parti: if you have no free space, your partition resizing is not gonna go well
[03:45] <anthony> hey
[03:46] <pashaw> parti,  you cant resize a drive if its full
[03:46] <parti> I'm runnign from a Live CD Nalioth. I'm pretty sure about it. )
[03:46] <parti> oh... man...
[03:46] <dooglus> parti: I had a problem with gparted giving me an odd error message.  It might have been the same one you're seeing.  The solution was to go back to windows and repair the small error that was on the NTFS partition
[03:46] <parti> Well, I want to GIVE MORE spaces to Ubuntu
[03:47] <sethk> parti, can you temporarily use the ubuntu space for resizing?  back up the ubuntu partition, then restore it?
[03:47] <parti> the error that was on NTFS partition? I didn't get a single error...
[03:47] <pashaw> parti,  boot windows and find out how much free space your NTFS drive reports
[03:47] <nickrud> what's the fdisk command for deleting a windows partition again?
[03:47] <dooglus> parti: I didn't either until I ran "chkdsk/f" in windows.  the regular scanner didn't find it, but gparted did, and couldn't fix it
[03:47] <parti> My NTFS partition has like 28 GB of free spaces
[03:47] <anthony> does anyone here know about mysql?
[03:47] <parti> and my Ubuntu has 1 GB of free space
[03:48] <anthony> im trying to start it, but it continues to fail
[03:48] <user_>  /etc/profile
[03:48] <user_> that is the file for global configuration of bash
[03:49] <parti> mm...
[03:49] <user_> if i have that
[03:49] <nickrud> user_, yes.
[03:49] <steve_laptop> crimsun, ok done
[03:49] <mcjerry> parti, can you still boot to windows?
[03:49] <pashaw> parti,   is windows running right now  with the LiveCD in a window?
[03:49] <user_>  ~.bashrc is not required?
[03:49] <crimsun> steve_laptop: now, sudo module-assistant a-i alsa-source
[03:49] <user_> the global file is sufficent?
[03:49] <dooglus> user_: /etc/profile only runs for login shells.  most people don't run login shells
[03:49] <nickrud> user_, a second. Let me find you a link that explains how all those files fit together.
[03:50] <user_> no no
[03:50] <parti> No.
[03:50] <user_> i search
[03:50] <parti> I've chuted down WIndows
[03:50] <steve_laptop> crimsun, building now
[03:50] <user_> you find english site
[03:50] <user_> i'm italian
[03:50] <user_> :P
[03:50] <sproingie> anthony: try #mysql
[03:50] <viscount> nickrud, I guess I'll have to write my own howto after I figure this out
[03:50] <parti> before I turned on the conputer and loged to the Live CD
[03:50] <dooglus> user_: read the 'bash' manual.  go to the end, then back a page or two.  you'll see a list of the files it uses in the 'FILES' section.
[03:50] <dooglus> user_:        /etc/profile
[03:50] <dooglus>               The systemwide initialization file, executed for login shells
[03:51] <steve_laptop> crimsun, loading and done
[03:51] <crimsun> steve_laptop: cat /proc/asound/version
[03:51] <dooglus> user_: if you want a file which is used by *every* bash, for every user, use /etc/bash.bashrc
[03:52] <viscount> steve_laptop, well I've got the time if you do
[03:52] <steve_laptop> crimsun, Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.10.
[03:53] <parti> BRB. I'm going to try again.
[03:53] <viscount> steve_laptop, when you do incremental backups do you use tar? with -G -g  thats what Im trying to figure out
[03:53] <nickrud> viscount, there should be a good howto already on that site, I'm sure I got my backup scheme from there
[03:53] <crimsun> steve_laptop: good. Now paste the output from amixer onto pastebin again.
[03:53] <niffe> steve_laptop: what was the program you say was good with wifi?
[03:53] <steve_laptop> viscount, you can also go to #scalug and talk to bob I think he can help you to .....
[03:53] <viscount> nickrud, yeah there is a few, but not what im looking for
[03:53] <maddash> Everybody, a YONAH laptop is out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Whooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
[03:54] <dooglus> maddash: a what?
[03:54] <steve_laptop> niffe wlassistant
[03:54] <nameeate1> sethk: I know have 5 with errors ;)
[03:54] <niffe> ok
[03:54] <steve_laptop> crimsun, ok
[03:54] <sethk> nameeate1, what's going on, do you know?
[03:54] <servoeL> Question: Building dependency tree... Done
[03:54] <servoeL> Package sysv-rc-conf is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[03:54] <servoeL> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[03:54] <servoeL> is only available from another source
[03:54] <servoeL> E: Package sysv-rc-conf has no installation candidate
[03:55] <servoeL> :/
[03:55] <nickrud> user_, if you're still here, I'm still looking I found a great one yesterday, I swear :)
[03:55] <nameeate1> sethk: I have absolutely no idea, when i used to ssh into this box it used to work
[03:55] <user_> :)
[03:55] <maddash> dooglus: Yonah! on a laptpo!!!
[03:55] <maddash> dooglus: laptop*!
[03:55] <sethk> nameeate1, sounds like it's been hacked, although I doubt that is really true
[03:56] <dailyrorschach> anyone know where I can find the list of repositories to use for breezy, and where to download the multimedia codecs
[03:56] <steve_laptop> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6043
[03:56] <nameeate1> sethk: I doubt that aswell ;)
[03:56] <sethk> nameeate1, multiple corrupted files is just such a bizarre thing
[03:57] <nickrud> user_, http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/sect_03_01.html
[03:57] <nameeate1> sethk: its back to just those original 2 now
[03:57] <_jason> ubotu tell dailyrorschach about multimedia
[03:57] <crimsun> steve_laptop: does aplay give you anything?
[03:57] <steve_laptop> hold on
[03:57] <WebLOCH> hey guys
[03:58] <nickrud> ubotu tell dailyrorschach about repositories
[03:58] <nameeate1> sethk: could it be because i have very limited ram?
[03:58] <aTypical> Hello, WebLOCH
[03:58] <WebLOCH> Ive checked man before you tell me to, but I just downloaded something that is in about 10 zip files, but the unzip command doesn't seem to cater for split zips, can anyone help ?
[03:58] <WebLOCH> aTypical, hey
[03:58] <sethk> nameeate1, it's possible, if programs crash in the middle of things because of the memory limit
[03:58] <sethk> nameeate1, and the programmers were very, very lazy
[04:00] <dooglus> does the mplayer-plugin for firefox play .wav files correctly?  it doesn't for me.  it seems to load them, but I don't hear anything.
[04:00] <finalcut> anyone have a minute to help me with mp3 burning?
[04:00] <dooglus> an example: http://slovnik.seznam.cz/sound/A/A4694.WAV
[04:00] <DonVincenzo> hi, I would like to completely supress windows from my pc, and I need some information to carry this one. I thought that I should suppress the ntfs partition, and the GRUB entries.Are there other operations to do ?
[04:01] <dooglus> an example: http://slovnik.seznam.cz/sound/A/A4694.WAVD#
[04:01] <dooglus> oops
[04:01] <dooglus> DonVincenzo: other than the filesystem and the bootloader that should be it
[04:01] <azuron> Can Ubuntu be installed offline??
[04:01] <DonVincenzo> ok
[04:02] <crimsun> azuron: yes.
[04:02] <pashaw> DonVincenzo,   supress?  you mean hide the windows install?
[04:02] <azuron> If I wanna install packages like GCC G++
[04:02] <dooglus> azuron: that's the usual way
[04:02] <crimsun> azuron: hence why it's 1 CD.
[04:02] <steve_laptop> crimsun,  grrr not getting anything and my wife going to be here in 10 so will have to finsh tomorrow if thats ok
[04:02] <azuron> crimsun, How to do that please?
[04:02] <finalcut> has anyone in here used serpentine or gnomebaker to burn audio cds from mp3s?
[04:02] <crimsun> steve_laptop: np, I'm outta here myself.
[04:02] <dooglus> azuron: I don't think you get g++ on the install media
[04:02] <azuron> But what should I do if I wanna install GCC and G++?
[04:02] <nickrud> azuron, apt-get install build-essential
[04:02] <steve_laptop> crimsun,  thanks AGAIN!!!
[04:03] <azuron> nickrud, Can I use that option offline??
[04:03] <azuron> dooglus, Can I download the packages to somewhere and install from hard disk?
[04:03] <nickrud> azuron, hm, you can try. I would expect that to be on the cd
[04:03] <azuron> nickrud, Cool, let me do it.
[04:04] <dooglus> azuron: sure.  go to http://packages.ubuntu.com/ , find the packages you need, including all the dependancies, and use "sudo dpkg -i <package.deb>" on each of them
[04:04] <nickrud> of course, I'm net enabled, so am very fuzzy where the cd ends and the net starts
[04:04] <markive> is there any extra repostitorys i can add? maybe for some more gnome stuff or wireless bluetoothe etc
[04:04] <azuron> dooglus, Is there a document on how to do it detailed please? I have never done such a thing before :)
[04:05] <user_> i'm creating a minimal distribution and i need a bashrc and bashprofile
[04:05] <user_> that do not need strange thing
[04:05] <dooglus> azuron: I don't know of one, but I've not looked.
[04:05] <dooglus> azuron: are you on ubuntu at the moment?
[04:05] <markive> _jason are you here?
[04:05] <jaakko> Hi guys, do you think one would be able to install Ubuntu & Gnome on 256 megs?
[04:05] <_jason> markive yes
[04:05] <azuron> dooglus, Nope, but another machine next to me is running Ubuntu
[04:05] <nickrud> user_, the ones that come with ubuntu are extremely minimal
[04:05] <markive> can you pm me
[04:05] <markive> please
[04:06] <servoeL> I need help with this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6044  sysv-rc-conf
[04:06] <servoeL> cant find it?
[04:06] <_jason> markive ask your quesiton here.  If I don't know you'll have almost 600 other people taht can help
[04:06] <pashaw> jaakko,   ??? RAM you mean right   yes
[04:06] <dooglus> jaakko: memory? yes.  disk? no.
[04:06] <azuron> dooglus, Where should I put the *.deb if I have downloaded them? to make Ubuntu find them?
[04:06] <nickrud> !tell servoeL  about repositories
[04:06] <jaakko> pashaw, dooglus: I'm talking 'bout disk space, not ram :)
[04:07] <_jason> markive you're asking about extra repositories.  Have you enabled multiverse and universe?
[04:07] <nickrud> servoeL, the message you got will tell you how to enable the repos that have sysv-rc-conf
[04:07] <dooglus> azuron: put them anywhere on the machine - let's say your Desktop.  then run a terminal window, type "cd ~/Desktop" in it, then type "sudo dpkg -i gcc-4.0-blah-whatever.deb"
[04:07] <pashaw> jaakko,   no   youll need one of the much smaller distros
[04:07] <markive> _jason ah ok  , i'm still strugling to register my nick , i've read the instructions, but i'm not that bright..:(
[04:07] <azuron> lol dooglus ^_^ thank you very much!!!
[04:07] <markive> _jason yeah i added them
[04:08] <dooglus> azuron: if you already have a machine running the same version of ubuntu which is net enabled, install the packages you want in it, and you'll be able to find them in the package cache - so you don't have to hunt down the dependancies
[04:08] <jaakko> pashaw: I need a disto fitting 256 CF card (for silent HTPC) and I just love Ubuntu :)
[04:08] <_jason> markive /msg nickserv register THE_PASSWORD_YOU_WANT_HERE
[04:08] <azuron> dooglus, Really?? Where can I find the pak cache??
[04:09] <dooglus> azuron: the package cache is in /var/cache/apt/archives
[04:09] <steve_laptop> viscount, look here see if anything is help full my wife called and 10 min out shit im going to do the dishes :)
[04:09] <azuron> Thank you!!!!
[04:09] <dailyrorschach> anyone know how to get the quicktime codecs?
[04:09] <dailyrorschach> and so on
[04:09] <_jason> markive then once you register you type the following to identify yourself: /msg nickserv identify THE_PASSWORD_YOU_CHOSE
[04:09] <dooglus> azuron: glad I could help
[04:09] <nickrud> !tell dailyrorschach about restricted
[04:09] <viscount> steve_laptop, eh?
[04:10] <azuron> dooglus, I really appreciate your help! :) Have a nice day, or night
[04:10] <markive> it says i'm already registered
[04:10] <dooglus> azuron: I'm not sure what the best way of installing them is
[04:10] <markive> am i?
[04:10] <azuron> dooglus, I dont want the best solution, I want the workable solution ^^
[04:10] <dooglus> azuron: I'm guessing that dpkg might get a bit angry if you try installing a package before its dependancies
[04:10] <azuron> and I think it's easy enough
[04:10] <markive> ahh
[04:10] <steve_laptop> viscount, LOLOL http://www.linux-backup.net/App/
[04:10] <azuron> sure
[04:10] <markive> i need to remember the password
[04:10] <dooglus> azuron: I guess then just install them in alphabetical order over and over until they work.
[04:11] <pashaw> jaakko,  distro watch   should give you some small distro options
[04:11] <markive> crap
[04:11] <markive> is there a password reset?
[04:11] <nickrud> azuron, wiki.ubuntu.com/PersonalRepositories has a simple way to make your own package cache
[04:11] <azuron> dooglus, How can I know the right order to install em?
[04:11] <azuron> nickrud, Thanx
[04:12] <dooglus> azuron: it looks like "dpkg -i" accepts a "-R" flag to install a whole directory of packages in one go
[04:12] <dooglus> azuron: so put them in a new folder /home/azuron/packages and then run "sudo dpkg -i -R /home/azuron/packages" - that should do it
[04:12] <viscount> steve_laptop, thanks man, i'll take a look
[04:12] <markive> _jason i can't remember the password  , i managed the first bit before but not the "identify" bit
[04:12] <azuron> Wow
[04:12] <azuron> :D
[04:13] <dooglus> azuron: note that I've never tried doing that.  but it might work :)
[04:13] <azuron> hehe
[04:13] <azuron> I will have a try ^^
[04:13] <kakei> hey guys how can i connect to a FTP with a shell
[04:13] <_jason> markive I don't know how to reset the password.  There is '/msg nickserv set password NEW_PASSWORD', but I would assume you need to identify to use that
[04:13] <dooglus> kakei: type "ftp"
[04:13] <Xenguy> kakei: wget or lftp
[04:13] <dailyrorschach> after installing the w32codecs, how can I view qucktime movies within firefox
[04:14] <markive> can anyone get on the nickserv and tell me the first letter of the password? i'll remmeber it with a jog
[04:14] <nickrud> dailyrorschach, the page mentions mozilla-mplayer
[04:14] <pashaw> kakei,   type ftp     then open   then enter the ip
[04:14] <dailyrorschach> ah
[04:14] <dailyrorschach> my fault
[04:14] <nickrud> :)
[04:14] <markive> _jason who runs nickserv?
[04:15] <kakei> ?Invalid command
[04:15] <kakei>  pashaw when i put the ip
[04:15] <_jason> markive if you set it earlier during this session you may be able to tap the up button in the server window where you were entering your commands and see what you typed.  I don't know who runs nickserv
[04:15] <Xenguy> kakei: maybe -> ftp ftp://blahblah.com
[04:15] <markive> _jason it was a few weeks ago  , less than  a month, but i can't rememebr anything  , i'm useless
[04:16] <pashaw> kakei,   you typed  ftp <enter>     open <enter>     then entered the address or DNS name
[04:16] <dooglus> kakei: type "ftp ftp.server.com"
[04:16] <markive> lemme try a few password it ight be
[04:16] <TheRabbit> So my mom brought home this picture CD from Walgreens and I don't know how to open it on Ubuntu...
[04:17] <markive> DAm i can't remebr my password :(
[04:17] <dooglus> markive: do you log IRC messages?  maybe its in your logfiles
[04:17] <kakei> pashaw how do i download a folder ?
[04:18] <markive> good idea , if its on by default
[04:18] <ProN00b> TheRabbit, search for jpg files on it
[04:18] <markive> dooglus where would i look?
[04:18] <dooglus> markive: which client?
[04:18] <finalcut> anyone, anyone at all can help me get serpentine or gnomebaker to burn mp3 files?
[04:18] <TheRabbit> I don't know the names of the images or the format actually
[04:18] <pashaw> kakei,   type help  for commands
[04:18] <markive> hmm
[04:18] <markive> xchat
[04:18] <nameeate1> gnomebaker autoconverted my mp3/ogg files
[04:18] <Madpilot> !tell finalcut about mp3
[04:19] <nameeate1> that could be a problem tho
[04:19] <pashaw> kakei,   get   and put  are the basics
[04:19] <finalcut> thanks madpilot
[04:19] <dooglus> markive: I think then it will be in ~/.xchat2/xchatlogs/ - but it's been a while since I stopped using xchat
[04:20] <markive> is that in /usr?
[04:20] <dooglus> markive: no, ~ is your home directory
[04:20] <markive> i'm very new to linux :( i'm sorry for my dumbnus
[04:20] <UFO> Hey, why should i choose Ubuntu?
[04:20] <dooglus> s'ok, it's a bit different than windows
[04:20] <pashaw> UFO,    clearly because we did
[04:20] <dooglus> UFO: it's what they all run on your home planet
[04:21] <Xenguy> UFO: It's good :-)
[04:21] <nickrud> UFO, because it works, mostly?
[04:21] <dailyrorschach> anyone get the ati drivers to work on a dell laptop?
[04:21] <realoss> anybody who can help me to find libstdc++.so.5 to be used for ubuntu 5.10 released
[04:21] <_jason> markive you may want to consider using a different nick
[04:21] <TheRabbit> ...linux makes me sad...how do I browse my cdrom?
[04:21] <markive> dooglus, i'm sorry , its beyond my comprihension
[04:21] <Madpilot> what's the command-line (apt-get) equivalent of Synaptic's "update all packages"?
[04:21] <dabaR> realoss: install libstdc++5
[04:21] <UFO> I got the
[04:21] <nickrud> realoss, libstdc++5
[04:21] <realoss> where can i get it
[04:21] <nickrud> hi dabaR :)
[04:21] <dabaR> hey
[04:21] <ProN00b> UFO, its a usable fork of debian, and debian has proven itself on the server already
[04:21] <Madpilot> TheRabbit: you should be able to browse it from the file manager
[04:21] <markive> maybe another nick
[04:21] <markive> lemme try
[04:22] <dooglus> markive: open nautilus, go to your home folder, and - um - what's that obscure key sequence to reveal hidden files?
[04:22] <nickrud> realoss, it's in the repos, apt-get install libstdc++5
[04:22] <UFO> Ati x700 working with vesa at the moment with fujitsu siemens
[04:22] <realoss> ok thanks nickrud
[04:22] <_jason> dooglus markive ctrl+H
[04:22] <largos> what do people reccomend for managing songs on an ipod with ubuntu?
[04:22] <pashaw> Madpilot,    apt-get update   then upgrade   or dist-upgrade
[04:22] <_markive> right i'll do the first bit
[04:22] <_markive> i'll scroll up
[04:22] <Madpilot> pashaw: upgrade, then. thanks
[04:23] <dabaR>  UFO choose is for your operating system on your computer.
[04:23] <UFO> Yes i'm using the Ubuntu now and seems to work quit well
[04:23] <dooglus> _markive: see the 'places' menu at the top?  and 'home' on there?
[04:23] <kakei> how can i get a completly folder via shell with ftp>
[04:23] <steve_laptop> viscount, sorry did that link help you? whats your trying to fo is a snapshot right?
[04:23] <dabaR> UFO: also, join us now and share the software.
[04:23] <TheRabbit> Where is my cdrom directory located... >.<
[04:23] <steve_laptop> now the phone
[04:23] <viscount> steve_laptop, yeah I got it now, thanks man
[04:23] <dooglus> UFO: you'll be free, hacker, you'll be freeeeeee
[04:23] <nickrud> kakei, if you have gnome, you might want to try gftp. It's not perfect, but generally gets the job done.
[04:24] <Xenguy> dooglus: haha
[04:24] <kakei> i use kde
[04:24] <dabaR> lol
[04:24] <Madpilot> TheRabbit: Places menu -> Home Folder - then look right at the bottom, you should see a CDROM symbol - it's like Windows Explorer, basically
[04:24] <kakei> and gFTP crash for me
[04:24] <nickrud> kakei, then, I think its kbear?
[04:24] <TheRabbit> I think I found it, thanks for the help
[04:24] <nickrud> gftp crashes, yes ;(  I used to really depend on that app.
[04:25] <_markive> I think i'm good
[04:25] <Madpilot> gFTP bites... thankfully the FileZilla3 Linux port is coming along...
[04:25] <dabaR> Madpilot: you're ok.
[04:25] <_markive> do i look registered?
[04:25] <kakei> i want to backup my site on my HD =(
[04:25] <scanwinder> wine wont let me eject a cd when its running...and im trying to install something that needs me to switch the cd's...........is there a wine irc channel?
[04:25] <_jason> _markive yes you are identified
[04:25] <kakei> and trying to change and look for a good hosting any recomendations?
[04:25] <kakei> http://kakei.us is my site
[04:26] <Xenguy> scanwinder: #winehq
[04:26] <scanwinder> Xenguy: thanks
[04:26] <Xenguy> yw
[04:26] <_markive> _jason  , thanks so much , and dooglus i think it was  , the world needs more people like l
[04:26] <_markive> like you
[04:26] <_markive> thanks for you pateince
[04:26] <dabaR> $20
[04:27] <_jason> _markive np
[04:27] <_markive> _jason  , who was the other helper
[04:27] <_jason> _markive I think dooglus helped you as well
[04:27] <dabaR> It was the simpson's dog off course, santa's little helper.
[04:27] <_markive> i'll scroll up
[04:28] <_markive> dooglus yes.. it was , thanks guys
[04:28] <dooglus> no problem.
[04:28] <dabaR> OK, but stupid jokes aside, talk to you later.
[04:28] <UFO> What is better in Ubuntu than in Debian?
[04:28] <dooglus> wallpaper.
[04:28] <benplaut> -_-
[04:28] <eobanb> haha
[04:28] <dooglus> drummers.
[04:29] <Xenguy> UFO: The desktop is more pre-configured
[04:29] <viscount> hot sex
[04:29] <_markive> i want to leave M$ world, its all i've known for 15 years :S
[04:29] <benplaut> UFO, more up-to-date packages, a bit more friendly community :P (and it's huge), great documentation
[04:29] <Madpilot> _markive: welcome to the Light
[04:29] <Madpilot> Side,then! (blasted enter key!)
[04:29] <_markive> ufo it worked straight out the box on my dell d600, wireless , bluetooth, pcmcia everything
[04:30] <pete_> hello all; wondering about setting up an HP G55 all-in-one with jetdirect as a scanner
[04:30] <dabaR> _markive: ubuntu is a continuation of a long effort.
[04:31] <cdubya> _markive, yeah, ubuntu pretty much rocks.
[04:31] <richard> I am wondering when the debian offspring will once more converge.
[04:31] <dabaR> richard: if you want a meaningful answer, explain what you mean by that vague sentence.
[04:32] <uber_spaced> what packages do I need to install to get CPAN working correctly?
[04:32] <Danl> whats a good source for assisting in the update from debian to ubuntu
[04:32] <uber_spaced> or at least is there a good resource for finding out what Ubuntu doesnt install by default?
[04:33] <_markive> :)
[04:33] <poningru> !.lit is <reply> .LIT is a proprietry ebook format put out by microsoft (more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebook#Microsoft), to convert .lit files to html take a look at clit: http://www.kyz.uklinux.net/convlit.php
[04:33] <ubotu> poningru: okay
[04:33] <poningru> !.lit
[04:33] <ubotu> .LIT is a proprietry ebook format put out by microsoft (more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebook#Microsoft), to convert .lit files to html take a look at clit: http://www.kyz.uklinux.net/convlit.php
[04:33] <pete_> i'd use the synaptic package manager - it really is great for installing
[04:33] <richard> Well Ubuntu is like many distros a branch or the offspring of the Debian project. Currently there are just enough differences to make them each seperate distros. I am wondering when they will once ore converge and the differences will no longer prevent interoperability
[04:33] <dabaR> Danl: you want to change from a Debian insatll to a Ubuntu install by upgrading the system?
[04:33] <_markive> what benifts are there from being registered?
[04:34] <finalcut> thanks again, Madpilot - i have it working now :O)
[04:34] <dabaR> poningru: do that in private, please.
[04:34] <Danl> i want to change from debian to ubuntu
[04:34] <dabaR> Danl: I believe you have to reinstall. I am not sure though.
[04:35] <Madpilot> poningru: there's actually an app called "clit"? ...
[04:35] <cafuego> Danl?dabaR; Yes, you do.
[04:35] <Danl> there in lies the probelm... i can't reinstall...
[04:35] <richard> Yes to switch from Debian to Ubuntu requires a complete reinstall.
[04:35] <cafuego> Danl: Why not?
[04:35] <Danl> im running colinux
[04:35] <dabaR> Madpilot: don't be vulgar.
[04:35] <cafuego> !find bin/clit
[04:35] <_markive> lol
[04:35] <poningru> huh?
[04:35] <rinzai-shu> richard: i believe Ubuntu and Debian both have two distinctly different stated goals as distributions, and hence, will not "converge" as you put it any time soon.  course i could be wrong, but i doubt it in this case...
[04:35] <poningru> what?
[04:35] <_markive> brb need food
[04:35] <poningru> rofl
[04:36] <poningru> I didnt think about that
[04:36] <poningru> you guys have a dirty mind
[04:36] <dabaR> _markive: noone can take your nick, and also you can talk to ubotu in private.
[04:36] <cafuego> Danl: Well, you can _try_ converting...
[04:36] <Danl> lol
[04:36] <nickrud> rinzai-shu, etch+1 maybe
[04:36] <cafuego> Danl: Step one is to remove any non-essentail package.
[04:36] <Danl> i was thinking about replacing everything in the sources list
[04:36] <rinzai-shu> nickrud: say whaaaaa?
[04:37] <cafuego> Danl: Then you change sources.list, distt-upgrade. Then replace any remaining debian version packages
[04:37] <nickrud> rinzai-shu, convergence, and I have better hopes than that.
[04:37] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/clit' returned no results.
[04:37] <dabaR> richard: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarkShuttleworth for the take on your question by the person that conceptualized Ubuntu and is funding it mostly.
[04:37] <Danl> that was my idea... but didn't know if it would work...
[04:37] <Danl> well lets see...
[04:37] <jordo23_> Are there any DiVX or XViD codecs for Ubuntu?
[04:37] <cafuego> Danl: Only way to know for sure is to try.
[04:37] <richard> Thank you dabaR
[04:37] <Madpilot> dabaR: just surprised... even for *nix, that's quite a name for an app...
[04:37] <jordo23_> For totem player
[04:38] <cafuego> Danl: I did it about  ayear ago, but back then Ubuntu and Debian weren't as diverse.
[04:38] <irvin> !ubotu restricted formats
[04:38] <ubotu> restricted formats is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[04:38] <nickrud> !restricted
[04:38] <cafuego> !tell jordo23_ -about w32codecs
[04:38] <ubotu> restricted is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here have been replaced by !FreeFormats
[04:38] <dabaR> poningru: no, we don't have a dirty mind, you're too much of a geek...
[04:38] <nickrud> !libdvdcss
[04:38] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here have been replaced by !FreeFormats
[04:38] <UFO> Yep where can i find the codecs for ubuntu?
[04:38] <Danl> :: crosses fingers and starts looking for list of sources for ubuntu
[04:38] <cafuego> !tell UFO -about w32codecs
[04:38] <borisattva> hello i'm trying to burn some bootable ubunut dvds, that are supposed to be combo install and LIVEi perform the burning by doing right click and "write to dvd" over the ISO file. the process seems to complete succesfully, and the files are cessible in linux environment, but the dvd itself is not bootable. on non of the pcs i tried, while other media seems to boot just fine. is there another way i should burn these to make them bootab
[04:38] <borisattva> le?
[04:39] <_markive> ufoi just copied the win32 stuff to /usr/lib
[04:39] <rinzai-shu> nickrud: and therein lies the beauty of free and open source software...if you want, you are free to combine Debian, and Ubuntu into your own special converged distribution, and release it as whatever you want (maybe Debibuntu, I don't know) but you'll have much better odds forking your own distro than changing the stated goals of either Debian or Ubuntu on your own methinks
[04:39] <dabaR> borisattva: you sure your computer is set to boot from that drive?
[04:39] <_markive> i don't think i got the  universe stuff put in
[04:40] <borisattva> dabar: yep. i checked the bootsequence and i confirmed by testing with with winxp bootable cds
[04:40] <_markive> dabar thanks
[04:40] <_markive> i'm duel oot
[04:40] <_markive>  boot*
[04:40] <nickrud> rinzai-shu, I'm not mentioning changing goals; but, dapper is a long term release (with I think, the desktop changing overhead), maybe when etch or later comes out that can serve as the long term underlying release
[04:41] <cafuego> borisattva: make sure you don't burn the CDs at more then 8X
[04:41] <cafuego> borisattva: Probably 2X for DVDs
[04:41] <tiwi> hello, any body can tell me. I use the usb flash disk, but can't open,
[04:41] <UFO> Does the codecs work in Turion64bit?
[04:41] <dabaR> cafuego: ? where did this come from?
[04:41] <nickrud> rinzai-shu, I just read about deb devels & their ubuntu alter-egos talking about trying
[04:41] <cafuego> UFO: No
[04:41] <rinzai-shu> nickrud: in this crazy world, you never know what may happen! ;-)
[04:41] <dabaR> nickrud: haha, alter egos.
[04:41] <Danl> where can i find a list of sources for breezy?
[04:41] <cafuego> dabaR: Depending on media, burning Ubuntu fast makes it broken. Dumb but true.
[04:41] <tiwi> and the massage is say " UNable to mount the selcted volume" what is mean
[04:42] <nickrud> heh, some of them wear 3 or 4 hats :)
[04:42] <awstott> anyone know why i'm getting an Internal error, HAL failed to initialize
[04:42] <nomasteryoda> awstott, you have a usb Hard drive plugged in when it happened?
[04:43] <awstott> nope
[04:43] <UFO> Should i install 32bit version for more compatible with the software around the net?
[04:43] <bachstudies> I have stupidly deleted my bottom panel on gnome. Is there any way to get the default panel back without having to add all the bits individually>
[04:43] <awstott> I was messing with mythtv and added my tv tuner to umm what file was that
[04:43] <bur[n] er> bachstudies: nope
[04:43] <nomasteryoda> oh, wait I got one of those on my kubuntu box too
[04:43] <nomasteryoda> just last night
[04:43] <awstott> then I rebooted and voila I get this error
[04:43] <cafuego> UFO: If you plan on watching avis, using java and accessing websites with flash, then yes.
[04:43] <dooglus> uber_spaced: ubuntu uses packages.  CPAN kind of clashes with ubuntu's packaging system.  there are packages available for most of the commonly used CPAN modules
[04:43] <dabaR> bur[n] er: there has to be.
[04:43] <borisattva> cafuego: i had it set to maximum before. do you think that could still be the cause even if the files are completely readable on the dvd? implying that perhaps the burning was sucessful?
[04:44] <_markive> can someome help me putting universe in please
[04:44] <cafuego> borisattva: No, just because you can see the files doesn't mean you can actually access their contents...
[04:44] <cafuego> dooglus: dh-make-perl
[04:44] <UFO> That sUhould be on the first line of 64bit
[04:44] <Madpilot> _markive: have you seen the repos wiki page?
[04:44] <dabaR> _markive: take a look at http://dabar.selfip.org/synaptic.html for a guide on that and installing apps on Ubuntu. Let me know if you ned more help.
[04:44] <Madpilot> !repos
[04:44] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse follow section 2.3 in http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/ch02.html#addinguniverse - Official sources.lists here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) see also !easysource
[04:44] <uber_spaced> dooglus, so then is it OK if I dont try to mix and match using apt-get and cpan to install perl packages?
[04:45] <borisattva> ok, i'l try forcing it to burn at 1x
[04:45] <dabaR> Madpilot: can you make a different, fixed version of the breezy sources on the pastebin? I am lazy.
[04:45] <cafuego> uber_spaced: You can use the 'dh-make-perl' command to build customised .deb packages from CPAN sources automagically.
[04:45] <uber_spaced> i mean, if i preferr to do just cpan stuff, should that be ok?
[04:45] <borisattva> actually it probably burnt them at a pretty slow rate, because it took almost an hour to complete the burn process.
[04:45] <_markive> dabar thanks
[04:45] <cafuego> uber_spaced: That's a double win.
[04:45] <_markive> madpilot no i havn't
[04:45] <rinzai-shu> !beer
[04:45] <_markive> madpilot can i have a link?
[04:45] <uber_spaced> cafuego, so, lets just say that Class::DBI isn't in the apt-get list or whatever.  what commands would I use to make it into a .deb package?
[04:45] <dabaR> _markive: it is up there.
[04:46] <cafuego> uber_spaced: Just a moment...
[04:46] <rinzai-shu> Harpy Horrordays! Merry Crispness!
[04:46] <uber_spaced> cafuego,  would it cause major conflicts?
[04:46] <Xenguy> hehe
[04:46] <Madpilot> !tell _markive about repos
[04:46] <_markive> thanks
[04:46] <tiwi> hi, anybody can help ,I use the USB flashdisk but the driver is use FAT and I need to open the file. is there any way i can do
[04:46] <nickrud> dabaR, speaking of your website, you need to pretty it up and move it to the wiki :)
[04:47] <jordo23_> What's the best movie player to watch DiVX movies under Gnome? I have already installed the codec pack.
[04:47] <Madpilot> dabaR: what's wrong with the current pastebin Breezy sources?
[04:47] <dabaR> nickrud: it is released under the gfdl, so you can do it too!
[04:47] <nickrud> dabaR, you sneaky one
[04:47] <dabaR> Madpilot: did you read?
[04:47] <Madpilot> dabaR: aside from the Hoary backports, which I just noticed and will kill...
[04:47] <parti> Hey!
[04:47] <cafuego> uber_spaced: 'sudo dh-make-perl --build --cpan Class::DBI'
[04:47] <parti> Hey! I'm back !
[04:47] <dabaR> jordo23_: the one you find works best. Try vlc, mplayer, xine, and totem-xine.
[04:48] <dooglus> uber_spaced: I'm not too sure about the whole thing.  But I really would expect some ubuntu packages to have dependancies on some CPAN modules - so you can't avoid using the ubuntu'ified CPAN modules.
[04:48] <dabaR> hey, its a parti!
[04:48] <cafuego> uber_spaced: It will configure cpan the first time it runs.
[04:48] <dabaR> tiwi: how are you trying to mount?
[04:48] <parti> it's "a" parti ? :P
[04:48] <dabaR> party!
[04:48] <parti> Anyway, I'm back with the same problem ><
[04:48] <jordo23_> dabaR: is there one that generally has less trouble playing Divx movies over a network connection? (I have the movies on a windows box, and am opening them through an SMB share)
[04:49] <parti> But, this time I uploaded the image to ImageShack, so you can see :)
[04:49] <dabaR> Madpilot: well, that is basically it, I guess, if you cant find other errors.
[04:49] <parti> http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gpartedwarning7xy.png
[04:49] <Madpilot> dabaR: the hoary-extras lines are gone from the Breezy pastebin now...
[04:49] <dooglus> jordo23_: I've played movies over a windows share fine with mplayer - but I mounted the share rather than using the weird GNOME vfs thingy
[04:49] <parti> When I try to resize the partition using Gparted, I ge this: http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gpartedwarning7xy.png
[04:50] <tiwi> dabar: sory I don't understand the meaning of mount. and I need to open the USB flashdisk, but the message say "UNABLE TO MOUNT THE SELCTED VOLUME"
[04:50] <dabaR> Madpilot: if you know how, make it all into one line with universe main restricted and multiverse.
[04:50] <parti> debar: ja ja ja. Yeah... with me the party starts :P
[04:51] <dooglus> parti: did you run the "chkdsk/f" in windows?
[04:51] <parti> yep, I did.
[04:51] <parti> and this is what it told me
[04:51] <dooglus> parti: is the drive mounted automatically?  if so, "umount" it
[04:51] <dabaR> tiwi: so, you put the usb in, and then the icon for it appears, but when you try double-clicking the icon, or selecting it from the menu, you get that error?
[04:52] <Madpilot> dabaR: yeah, my own sources.list is set up that way, I'll edit further...
[04:52] <dabaR> Madpilot: and fix up ubotu's factoid. Good man, I am soo lazy to do anything:)
[04:52] <parti> Chldsk cannot run because the Volume is in use by another process. Would you like to schedule this volume to be checked the next time  the system restarts? (Y/N)
[04:52] <dooglus> parti: say 'y' to that
[04:53] <dooglus> parti: then reboot
[04:53] <parti> and, I put Y
[04:53] <parti> and, then I restarted.
[04:53] <dooglus> ok
[04:53] <parti> And, it scanned my NTFS partition. ANd it didn't gtave me any erros at all,
[04:53] <dooglus> and you saw it checking, before windows came back up - fine.
[04:53] <parti> gtabe --> gave
[04:53] <Madpilot> dabaR: what's wrong with the factoid itself?
[04:54] <tiwi> DABAR: yes, can you tell me how to open it.
[04:54] <dooglus> parti: so the next thing to do is to see if the ntfs partition is mounted when you boot the live cd
[04:54] <dabaR> well, it is pointing to that address. Can you change that particular pastebin entry? I thouhgt you could only make new ones.
[04:54] <parti> ok. How do I do that ?
[04:54] <dooglus> parti: run a terminal after booting the live cd and type "mount" to see what's mounted
[04:54] <dooglus> parti: look especially for the word "ntfs"
[04:55] <parti> ok
[04:55] <_markive> time for bed
[04:55] <dabaR> tiwi: no, but I can try figuring out with you. Please paste the output of "mount" from a terminal to a pastebin. pastebins are at paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[04:55] <_markive> tha nks for your help tonight chaps
[04:55] <parti> ubuntu@66-190-246-254:~$ mount
[04:55] <parti> /dev/mapper/casper-snapshot on / type auto (rw,noatime)
[04:55] <parti> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
[04:55] <parti> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
[04:55] <parti> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
[04:55] <parti> tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
[04:55] <parti> usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
[04:55] <parti> tmpfs on /lib/modules/2.6.12-9-386/volatile type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
[04:55] <parti> tmpfs on /tmp type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)
[04:55] <parti> tmpfs on /dev type tmpfs (rw,size=10M,mode=0755)
[04:55] <parti> ubuntu@66-190-246-254:~$
[04:55] <Madpilot> dabaR: hmm, you're right - editing the pastebin actually creates a new pastebin entry... I'll change the factoid
[04:55] <Madpilot> !pastebin
[04:55] <ubotu> from memory, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[04:56] <parti> I don't see NTFS...
[04:56] <dooglus> parti: nothing ntfs-ish there
[04:56] <_markive> good night all and Merry Christmas
[04:56] <dabaR> parti: post to pastebin, not to the channel, please. Post the output of dmesg to pastebin, please.
[04:56] <dabaR> _markive: see ya.
[04:56] <flankk> _markive, Merry Christmas!
[04:56] <parti> ahh.. pastebin ?
[04:56] <dabaR> Howdy Ho!
[04:56] <dooglus> parti: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[04:57] <parti> Why should I post it there? What does it do?
[04:57] <dooglus> parti: it's like imageshack, but for text
[04:57] <parti> ohh..
[04:58] <pashaw> parti,  your paste pushed like 4 other peoples questions off the screen
[04:58] <regeya_> daaaaaang!
[04:58] <uber_spaced> thanks for the info.
[04:58] <uber_spaced> happy holidays.
[04:59] <parti> Oh. O'm sorry.
[04:59] <dabaR> parti: sorry, I thought I was talking to tiwi instead of you...
[04:59] <parti> Didn't know of pastebin
[04:59] <dabaR> parti: no need to post dmesg.
[04:59] <richard> Does anyone know why when I reboot my ubuntu v5.10 it does not pick up on my Westell DSL modem without me going into 'ADMINISTRATION' --> 'NETWORKING' and then deactivating the Ethernet and reactivating it?
[04:59] <parti> .. ok ><
[04:59] <dabaR> richard: ya, cause breezy sucks for that. Can you post your /etc/network/interfaces file to pastebin?
[04:59] <sklav> richard, i have similar issue with my pppoe connection
[05:00] <Madpilot> dabaR: all the ubotu factoids should be up to date now
[05:00] <sklav> on 5.10 breezy
[05:00] <dabaR> Madpilot: good, thank you.
[05:00] <Madpilot> dabaR: I fixed !repos, !repositories and !sources - any others you can think of?
[05:00] <parti> mmm. I'm lost
[05:00] <dabaR> no.
[05:01] <dabaR> sklav: you do that same thing I told richard then.
[05:01] <parti> So.. enybody has some idea?
[05:01] <parti> ok, there are new plp here :)
[05:02] <nickrud> well, we had high hopes
[05:02] <richard> Ok dabaR I have pasted it to ethoIssue
[05:02] <sethk> richard, obviously, it does pick up your dsl modem.  If it did not pick up the dsl modem, you could go to the admin tool and activate it.  You said you deactivate it, then reactivate it
[05:02] <parti> I am trying to resize my partiton, giving more space to my Ubuntu. but, Gparted in the Live CD dosn't seem to work
[05:02] <sethk> richard, you can't deactivate something that isn't there
[05:02] <tiwi> Dabar: I have try, thank you
[05:02] <sethk> richard, so you are asking the wrong question
[05:02] <richard> Yes sethk I have to Deactivate then Activate it agian.
[05:03] <sethk> richard, the correct question is, why is the configuration of the dsl modem not correct after boot, NOT why isn't the dsl modem detected
[05:03] <dooglus> parti: I ended up using a program called 'ntfsresize' I think
[05:03] <richard> ok sethk
[05:03] <dooglus> parti: it resized the filesystem but didn't shrink the partition to match - I had to do that by hand.
[05:03] <sethk> richard, I'm not just being pedantic; we have to look in a different place for the problem.
[05:03] <dooglus> parti: would you be up for trying that?
[05:04] <richard> ok
[05:04] <parti> yes
[05:04] <parti> I will be up
[05:04] <parti> My computer is my life !! :D
[05:04] <SweetestSavage> o.o
[05:04] <dooglus> parti: do you have 'resizentfs' on the livecd?
[05:04] <richard> So what do you suggest sethk
[05:04] <parti> resizentfs ?
[05:04] <sethk> richard, I would start by doing dmesg > outputfile  (some file name, that is, capture the dmesg output so we can search it), and look in dmesg and in /var/log/messages to find out what happens during the (incorrect) configuration after boot
[05:04] <sethk> richard, also
[05:05] <sethk> richard, after boot, but before fixing, do ifconfig -a
[05:05] <dooglus> parti: something like that
[05:05] <viscount> any suggestions of a good gnome firewall app?
[05:05] <sethk> richard, that will tell us how the o/s has set up the interface
[05:05] <parti> resizentfs
[05:05] <parti> bash: resizentfs: command not found
[05:05] <tiwi> Dabar: i wait for the reply, thank you for you file he he he
[05:05] <dooglus> ntfsresize?
[05:05] <parti> nor do I see it in the Menus
[05:05] <sethk> richard, the -a gives more info than ifconfig without -a
[05:05] <Madpilot> dabaR: try "any idea" with ubotu in pm :D
[05:05] <parti> mm...
[05:05] <parti> sudo apt-get install gparted ntfsprogs ?
[05:05] <sethk> richard, when you do the deactivate and reactivate, messages  will be written to /var/log/messages
[05:06] <dabaR> tiwi: my file? you click on show details in that box, and also open a terminal and run "mount" then paste to pastebin the output.
[05:06] <sethk> richard, comparing whats written during boot and what's written on activate may help us figure out what goes wrong
[05:06] <dooglus> parti: that's right
[05:06] <pashaw> parti,   found some google posts about your NTFS problem, they solved it by resizing with Knoppix-liveCD QtParted they said same thing Ubuntu CD wouldnt resize NTFS
[05:06] <parti> ahhh
[05:06] <richard> Ok I did the dmesg
[05:06] <parti> but...
[05:06] <azuron> What disk burn software to use under Ubuntu?
[05:07] <azuron> is there an available pkg in Universe??
[05:07] <dabaR> sethk: it is not an issue with that, it is an issue where the interfaces file has two entries for the pppoe.
[05:07] <dabaR> I can fix it for the,
[05:07] <parti> I will have to Download the knoppix iso !! ?  :(
[05:07] <dooglus> qtparted uses ntfsprogs, right?
[05:07] <pashaw> parti,  this guys blog  read Dec15th  http://www.cs.ust.hk/~joseph/Blog/2005/11/ubuntu-on-ibm-thinkpad-t43-2668-hh5.html
[05:07] <silverton> how do I make the compiler compile with gcc3.4?
[05:07] <dabaR> I need a few minutes, cause I have a phone call.
[05:07] <grshpr> ok
[05:07] <Madpilot> azuron: there are a lot of burning apps in Ubuntu
[05:07] <dooglus> parti: you can just install "qtparted" if you like - "sudo apt-get install qtparted"
[05:07] <grshpr> why not
[05:07] <parti> Is't it the same as Gparted but for KDE ?
[05:08] <dooglus> silverton: gcc-3.4 is the compiler.  you just need to install it
[05:08] <azuron> Madpilot, What do you recommend??? Easy to use?
[05:08] <dooglus> parti: it's similar, but they aren't just different front-ends to the same thing
[05:08] <silverton> dooglus, gcc-3.4 and gcc-4.0 is installed
[05:08] <azuron> Madpilot, I just wanna burn 195Mb data onto a CD
[05:08] <silverton> and 4.0 is default
[05:08] <parti> mm.
[05:08] <parti> ok
[05:08] <parti> let me try
[05:08] <dooglus> parti: apparently qtparted uses ntfsprogs and gparted doesn't
[05:08] <Fushi> gnomebaker
[05:08] <Madpilot> azuron: if you're burning data, just use Nautilus - the file manager in Ubuntu...
[05:08] <parti> ok
[05:09] <dooglus> silverton: so "gcc-3.4 file.c" will use the 3.4 versin
[05:09] <dooglus> version
[05:09] <azuron> Madpilot, How to use it to burn disk?
[05:09] <silverton> what if I'm using the make command?
[05:09] <dabaR> richard: do you have a router+modem DSL, or just modem?
[05:09] <Madpilot> azuron:  in Naut, use the Go menu --> CD/DVD creator
[05:09] <tiwi> dabar : Error: given UDI is not a mountable volume
[05:09] <azuron> Madpilot, Cool thank you :)
[05:09] <dooglus> silverton: the make command uses "Makefile" to tell it what compiler to use
[05:09] <parti> it seems that gparted also has ntfsprogs
[05:10] <Madpilot> azuron: then drag'n'drop/copy the files you want to burn into that burning window
[05:10] <parti> sudo apt-get install gparted ntfsprogs
[05:10] <parti> Reading package lists... Done
[05:10] <parti> Building dependency tree... Done
[05:10] <parti> gparted is already the newest version.
[05:10] <parti> ntfsprogs is already the newest version.
[05:10] <parti> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[05:10] <sethk> dabaR, not an issue with what?
[05:10] <dabaR> tiwi: please post that "mount" output. Apps>Accessories>Terminal, then run "mount" and post to pastebin.
[05:10] <richard> dabaR it says router on the bottom
[05:10] <dabaR> sethk: it is not a dmesg issue.
[05:10] <dooglus> parti: that doesn't mean that gparted needs ntfsprogs
[05:10] <dooglus> parti: try "qtparted"
[05:10] <sethk> dabaR, dmesg just displays information.  Nothing is an issue with dmesg
[05:10] <dabaR> richard: what IP address do you have now? run "ifconfig" and then see what it says for inet addr:
[05:11] <parti> ... weird, i cannot isntall qtparted...
[05:11] <sklav> dabaR, i have the same issue
[05:11] <richard> is that safe to pass out on here?
[05:11] <dooglus> parti: why?
[05:11] <sklav> it seems to be with hotplug
[05:11] <parti> sudo apt-get install qtparted
[05:11] <parti> Reading package lists... Done
[05:11] <parti> Building dependency tree... Done
[05:11] <parti> E: Couldn't find package qtparted
[05:11] <sklav> i have yet to isolate it
[05:11] <dabaR> richard: is it a 192.something IP address?
[05:11] <Madpilot> parti: please stop pasting
[05:11] <Madpilot> !paste
[05:11] <ubotu> paste is, like, totally, please use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[05:11] <dabaR> parti: ya, we showed you pastebin.
[05:11] <richard> yes it is dabaR
[05:12] <parti> ... I forget about that..
[05:12] <parti> ok.
[05:12] <parti> Anyway,from now on I should remember.
[05:12] <dooglus> parti: you need to enable the 'universe' repos
[05:12] <tiwi> dabar: this is the the massage =  Error: given UDI is not a mountable volume
[05:12] <troy> I have a small problem, I installed ubuntu but had no network cable connected when running the install -- now I've connected the cable but I don't get a network automatically (ifconfig shows nothing) -- what do I do to get the network up (dhcp)
[05:12] <sethk> richard, DSL it's both a modem and a router, if you have a typical DSL setup
[05:12] <parti> So it is posible to aneblo the universe repo in the LIVE CD :D
[05:12] <richard> Yes sethk I think you are correct
[05:12] <dooglus> parti: sure
[05:13] <dooglus> parti: you're on-line with it?
[05:13] <sklav> sethk i use ubuntu as my router
[05:13] <parti> mmm ? Yep.
[05:13] <silverton> dooglus, I'm not finding the gcc option in Makefile
[05:13] <sklav> my modem is just acting as a pass threw
[05:13] <dooglus> silverton: you don't see a "CC=" or anything?
[05:13] <parti> Yes, I am online with the LIVE CD
[05:13] <Madpilot> parti: you can, but everything you add will be lost when you stop using the liveCD
[05:13] <dabaR> tiwi: ya, but I want the output of "mount", please.
[05:13] <sethk> sklav, networks contain multiple routers
[05:13] <silverton> dooglus, no
[05:13] <sklav> i understand that
[05:14] <dabaR> richard: ya, then it is a router. I do not see anything wrong there in interfaces, but, try removing the hostname part, may work.
[05:14] <sklav> im mentionning that im having a similar issue
[05:14] <sethk> richard, comparing the ifconfig output after boot, and then after deactivate/activate is a good idea.
[05:14] <sethk> richard, I don't see how it can be a problem with interfaces.  that really doesn't make a lot of sense
[05:14] <seth_k|lappy> All right... here's a question! I'm running gParted off a LiveCD to try to resize a FAT32 partition. If the partition is mounted, I can't change it because it's mounted. If I unmount it, I can't resize it because gParted can't read it! How do I make it follow my orders?
[05:14] <dooglus> silverton: try running "CC=gcc-3.4 make"
[05:14] <sethk> richard, interfaces is the same when you boot and when you deactivate/activate
[05:14] <sklav> sethk could it be the hotplug causing the issue?
[05:14] <dooglus> !universe
[05:14] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse follow section 2.3 in http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/ch02.html#addinguniverse - Official sources.lists here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) see also !easysource
[05:15] <parti> well, I'm trying to resize my partition from the LIVE CD, because I've reda from the Ubuntu Forums that it is the recommended way.
[05:15] <sklav> sethk could it be the hotplug causing the issue?
[05:15] <richard> I know what you mean. I dont get it either that is why I was asking you guys.
[05:15] <sethk> sklav, well, sort of.  Probably more correct to say that hotplug is fixing the problem after activate
[05:15] <richard> What about wireless on Ubuntu? How is it?
[05:15] <dabaR> sethk: typical for what? You are not from north america, or are you?
[05:15] <sklav> hotplug seems to be were it chokes on my system
[05:15] <sethk> dabaR, I am, not that it makes any difference in this case.
[05:15] <azuron> Ubuntu cannot identify my DVD-Burner!
[05:15] <sklav> u see when hotplug has a delay per say then i experience the issue
[05:15] <dabaR> no? I have a dsl modem only, and most people I know here in Canada do. Weird.
[05:15] <robotgeek> richard: depends on your card
[05:15] <sethk> dabaR, your DSL modem is also a router
[05:15] <sklav> but hotplug usually 4 out of 5 times works perfectly
[05:16] <sklav> also from the command line a network restart
[05:16] <robotgeek> ubotu: tell richard about wireless
[05:16] <richard> I just looked at Walmart. I do not want to spend a fortune on it.
[05:16] <sklav> will not activate eth0
[05:16] <sklav> for some reason
[05:16] <dabaR> sethk: really? I never knew that, and still doubt it even after your sentence. How do you mean it is that too?
[05:16] <sklav> it will activate lo and eth1
[05:16] <tiwi> dabaR: sory I don't family with Ubuntu. you mean the out put is the massage or what. sory Iam litter stupid
[05:16] <dabaR> sklav: post the /etc/network/interfaces file to pastebin.
[05:16] <sklav> ok
[05:17] <sethk> dabaR, it has an IP address to talk to your machine, and it has another ip address on the ISP side, and it routes packets between the addresses
[05:17] <sethk> dabaR, there is nothing to doubt, trust me, I've been designing and building this type of hardware for 30 years
[05:17] <dragoon> having a problem adding a third monitor to my xconfig
[05:17] <dragoon>                  http://janas.customer.netspace.net.au/xorg.conf is my config
[05:17] <parti> I am currenly updating the repo...
[05:18] <dabaR> tiwi: that is fine. 1. Open a terminal. (Click Applications, then Accessories, then Terminal) 2. Type "mount" in the terminal, and hit enter. 3. Paste the output of "mount" from the terminal to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[05:18] <dragoon> nickrud: why is that
[05:18] <nickrud> dragoon, it would be an excuse to buy a bigger desk
[05:18] <dabaR> sethk: well, my computer has a public IP address.
[05:18] <dragoon> heh
[05:18] <dragoon> nickrud: its very annoying though - it should work fine
[05:19] <sethk> dabaR, and?
[05:19] <wontez> hello
[05:19] <dabaR> sethk: and that is why I believe it is a modem, rather than a router.
[05:19] <wontez> hello everyone
[05:19] <dabaR> sethk: will it say anything on the box as to it being a router?
[05:19] <sethk> dabaR, you're confused about exactly what a modem, and what a router, is.
[05:19] <sethk> dabaR, depends on the manufacturer
[05:19] <wontez> can someone tell me if there is a nice NFS gui
[05:19] <sklav> sethk / dabaR here is my network interfaces file
[05:20] <sklav> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6052
[05:20] <dabaR> I work for an ISP, so Im not totally clueless, but only for about a year, so you have the years advantage there.
[05:20] <sklav> dabaR, sethk is right by the way
[05:20] <sklav> a dsl modem can act as a router or a bridge
[05:20] <sklav> and so on
[05:20] <sklav> in his case its acting like a router
[05:21] <dabaR> weird. first time I hear that.
[05:21] <sklav> do you own a dsl modem?
[05:21] <sklav> if so open the book or manual that came with it
[05:21] <dabaR> well, there is one here a few feet from me.
[05:21] <sethk> dabaR, I don't think we actually disagree, it is more a matter of terminology
[05:21] <dooglus> the disk manager in ubuntu is fantastic - it just found an extra 4095 gigs of disk that I didn't know I had!
[05:21] <sklav> if so open the book or manual that came with it
[05:21] <dabaR> sethk: I am not talking about disagreeing, I am looking for knowledge.
[05:21] <sklav> oops
[05:21] <parti> Ok. I'm running QTparted now.
[05:22] <tiwi> dabaR: ok,  i have send , can you see that
[05:22] <dooglus> I thought I only had a 40Gb disk in this laptop, but apparently it has 4095Gb free
[05:22] <sklav> dabaR, or sethk u see my pastebin ?
[05:22] <sethk> sklav, I just pulled it up now
[05:22] <nickrud> dragoon, the only thing that looks weird to me is the screen definition under the radeon device definition
[05:22] <dabaR> sklav: remove all lines under the ones for your eth0, and then rerun sudo pppoeconf, and then it should work on boot.
[05:22] <dragoon> nickrud: what looks wierd abou it
[05:22] <dabaR> sklav: but show me your interfaces file again after you rerun pppoeconf.
[05:22] <dragoon> about it
[05:22] <sklav> dabar it works on boot
[05:22] <dabaR> sklav: then what?
[05:22] <sklav> its inconsistant
[05:22] <mae> how can i list processes in order of memory consumption with 'ps' ?
[05:23] <sklav> sometimes it doesnt activate the interfaces
[05:23] <pashaw> dragoon, how many monitors are currently working correctly? 2?
[05:23] <sethk> mae, you can pipe the ps output to sort
[05:23] <nickrud> dragoon, well, I would think that screen under device would be one of the plugs coming out of the card; you are attached to the only output (or first output) on the radeon
[05:23] <nickrud> ?
[05:23] <sethk> mae, see man sort to find out how to sort on a column other than the first one
[05:23] <dabaR> tiwi: I can see, but I do not know what to do, sorry.
[05:23] <dragoon> pashaw: yes two, on my 6600gt, running the 3rd - newly added one from a radeon 7000 pci
[05:23] <dooglus> sethk: in the UK, wanadoo's DSL package comes with a modem which is only a modem.  if you want a DSL router, that's extra
[05:24] <Llewxam> can anyone help me with compiling a driver? i'm getting some errors here when i make the file.
[05:24] <dabaR> sklav: I think doing what I told you will activate the interface on boot.
[05:24] <sethk> dooglus, that's just a different use of the term router
[05:24] <dabaR> sklav: because I did it several times for other people.
[05:24] <sklav> dabaR, it works on boot
[05:24] <sklav> the problem is its inconsitant
[05:24] <sethk> dooglus, what that actually is, is a small hub or switch combined with the dsl modem/router
[05:24] <sklav> my interface comes up on boot
[05:24] <Aviatrixie> good evening :)
[05:24] <dabaR> sklav: be more specific what exactly you mean.
[05:24] <sethk> dooglus, it's a misuse of the terminology, since a switch doesn't route
[05:24] <dabaR> hi Aviatrixie .
[05:24] <sklav> ok if i reboot this system
[05:25] <sklav> chances are the pppoe will start
[05:25] <sklav> but then again it might not
[05:25] <sklav> inconsistant
[05:25] <azuron> Madpilot, I am burning disk, thank you :)
[05:25] <sklav> my redhat system does not have this issue
[05:25] <pashaw> dragoon, thx, was curious as im using the twinview option for my quadro  and your config isnt
[05:25] <sklav> im new to ubuntu / debian
[05:26] <dabaR> sklav: ya, that is what I got the first time, anyhow, that is what I would try, as it worked on several other computers. YOu basically have 2 entries for dsl in that file, if you take a look, and that is what is happening, I saw it before, that fixed it before, you can try.
[05:26] <sklav> but im using linux for 7 years
[05:26] <tiwi> dabaR: ok never mine, but thk a lot your help. he he he
[05:26] <Llewxam> my error's posted in the pastebin....
[05:26] <sklav> ok dabaR i will try it
[05:26] <sklav> which part should i remove thought?
[05:26] <dragoon> pashaw: ah i see, i find this way nicer - seeing i can have different res on diff monitors
[05:26] <parti> Dooglus
[05:26] <Llewxam> if anyone can help i'll appreciate it so i can be done with this. -.-'
[05:27] <parti> Look at this: http://img418.imageshack.us/my.php?image=qtparted3wy.png
[05:27] <pashaw> dragoon, cool  im using matching LCDs so hadnt considered that
[05:27] <dragoon> ah ok
[05:27] <dragoon> i just got this 3rd monitor today - from dads work - they were getting rid of old ones so i asked him to grab me one
[05:28] <sklav> ok brbr
[05:28] <sklav> i will test what you said dabaR
[05:28] <sklav> brb
[05:28] <seth_k|lappy> Trying again... I'm running gParted off a LiveCD to try to resize a FAT32 partition. If the partition is mounted, I can't change it because it's mounted. If I unmount it, I can't resize it because gParted can't read it! How do I make it follow my orders?
[05:29] <mikeroz> Quick question - I have Ubuntu 5.10 freshly installed on and AMD64 SMP platform. My apt-get sources were all screwed up - that I sort of/kind of fixed. However, I still have the problem of many of my apps not working. I have tracked the problem to gksudo - all of the tools which use gksudo never start. I can start them using gksu. Is there a way to 'fix' gksudo?
[05:29] <parti> Ok. As you can see from http://img418.imageshack.us/my.php?image=qtparted3wy.png  It says that NTFS is active !! ??
[05:29] <robotgeek> seth_k|lappy: hmm, interesting.
[05:29] <nickrud> dragoon, reading man xorg.conf, screen under device is per plug, and 0 is mandatory; 2 is definitely wrong
[05:29] <dragoon> nickrud: ok
[05:30] <seth_k|lappy> robotgeek, interesting isn't the word I'd use :P I guess I am on the clock so i shouldn't mind too much, I'm getting paid either way.  It says "unable to read drive information, some operations will be unavailable"
[05:31] <seth_k|lappy> robotgeek, in this case "some" means "everything"
[05:31] <parti> ok. :)  pashaw.
[05:31] <dooglus> parti: what am I looking at?
[05:31] <parti> umm?
[05:31] <dragoon> nickrud: i cant see what your talking about
[05:31] <pashaw> dooglus,   her NTFS partition is active   stopping her from resizing
[05:32] <sells> anyone here ever use darwin ports
[05:32] <nickrud> dragoon, man xorg.conf, device section, screen subsection: compare to your radeon device definition
[05:32] <dooglus> pashaw: doesn't 'active' mean 'bootable'?
[05:32] <parti> dooglus. What I was saying that QTparted says that my NTFS partition is "Active"
[05:32] <robotgeek> seth_k|lappy: hmm, there's a cli thing. parted i think. try that
[05:32] <pashaw> dooglus,   scroll down and look to the left   it says hda active/busy
[05:32] <seth_k|lappy> yeah, that's gonna be my next try robotgeek, after I download Dapper's gparted and try it
[05:32] <parti> Anyway, I will follow your tip, I will download Knoppix :)
[05:33] <robotgeek> seth_k|lappy: hmm, okay
[05:33] <dooglus> parti: see what the ntfsprogs can do too
[05:33] <sells> anyone here ever use darwin ports
[05:33] <dooglus> parti: first, what does "sudo lsof /dev/hda" tell you?
[05:34] <sethk> dooglus, looking at what they do, they also sort of cripple the one they call a modem so that it will only talk to one machine.  That's still an incorrect usage of the term router, though.
[05:34] <Urthmover> my vncserver seems to have died.....how do I check to see if vncserver is a listening service?
[05:34] <nickrud> dragoon, you've confused screen as used with a video device definition, and screen as used to join a device to a monitor
[05:34] <parti> let me see
[05:34] <Urthmover> ps?
[05:34] <parti> it dosn't tell me anything
[05:34] <dooglus> sethk: I think the wanadoo modems give you a proper external address - not a LAN address
[05:35] <dooglus> parti: first, what does "sudo lsof /dev/hda2" tell you?
[05:35] <sells> anyone ever use the program darwin ports
[05:35] <dragoon> nickrud: so that means i need to change screen 2 to screen 0 /
[05:35] <sethk> dooglus, any presence on the 'net has to have a proper external address
[05:35] <sethk> dooglus, it's true that the router typically does this for you
[05:35] <nickrud> dragoon, or simply delete that line
[05:35] <dragoon> ok
[05:35] <dragoon> ill give that a shot
[05:35] <Urthmover> what is the command to see listening services?
[05:35] <dragoon> thanks
[05:35] <parti> sudo lsof /dev/hda2.. it dosn't tell me anything either :(
[05:35] <crimsun> Urthmover: netstat -ntl
[05:35] <Urthmover> thanks
[05:36] <nickrud> dragoon, like I said, I'd like to have your problem, I've researched it a bit :)
[05:36] <dragoon> nickrud: fair enough
[05:36] <Urthmover> I don't want ports or connection crimsun....
[05:36] <Urthmover> I need to see if vncserver is a listening service
[05:36] <pashaw> sethk,   a router always does that for you      if not your home location at the isp
[05:37] <Urthmover> basucally I rebooted and now I can't vnc into it....but I DO have SSH working
[05:37] <Urthmover> so what do I do?
[05:37] <dragoon> start vnc ?
[05:37] <Urthmover> I reset the password...but the service doesn't appear to be up
[05:37] <Urthmover> what do I type to "start" vnc then
[05:37] <Urthmover>  ./vncserver?
[05:37] <Urthmover>  slocate vncserver ...finds nothing
[05:38] <Urthmover> but it was just up and going....so maybe I have the filename wrong
[05:38] <Urthmover> suggestions dragoon?
[05:38] <parti> ok, guys. I've decided to use Knoppix Live CD,
[05:38] <dragoon> start vnc from initd ?
[05:38] <dragoon> /etc/init.d/vncserver start
[05:38] <Urthmover> how do I start up vncserver?
[05:38] <dragoon> ^
[05:38] <Urthmover> just from the command line
[05:39] <Urthmover> ok thanks
[05:39] <parti> See you later.  I know I will be back, even if I solve my problem [Have to tell you guys that I resolved ;) ]
[05:39] <RememberPOL> Hi all. Does anyone have experience with Ubuntu on a PowerPro A 2:17 laptop, or any Centrino for that matter?
[05:39] <parti> Bye
[05:39] <crimsun> RememberPOL: I'm using a Centrino platform on this ThinkPad X41-2527 right now
[05:39] <Urthmover> for some reason vncserver doesn't exist in /etc/init.d
[05:39] <Urthmover> how do I reinstall vnc?
[05:40] <RememberPOL> crimsun: Does the speedstep thermal system work properly?
[05:40] <crimsun> Urthmover: System> Preferences> Remote Desktop
[05:40] <crimsun> RememberPOL: it works fine
[05:40] <Urthmover> it's wierd since it was just up and working...before I did a apt-get update...and installed the new kernel and rebooted
[05:40] <RememberPOL> crimsun: And you're running Ubuntu v5.10, right?
[05:40] <Urthmover> crimsun.....well thats all well and good...but I'm remote and I don't have VNC working....just SSH
[05:41] <crimsun> RememberPOL: no, 6.04, but it worked fine in 5.10
[05:41] <Squee-D> probably /etc/init.d/vnc start
[05:41] <Squee-D> hmm no
[05:41] <Squee-D> sill me, it needs x running
[05:41] <crimsun> Urthmover: do you have physical access to the machine?
[05:42] <Urthmover> there are NO vnc in /etc/init.d
[05:42] <Urthmover> no crimsun
[05:42] <Urthmover> I only have SSH
[05:42] <dooglus> Urthmover: ubuntu uses vino
[05:42] <RememberPOL> Is 6.04 a stable version?
[05:42] <Urthmover> so how do I get vnc back up?
[05:42] <dooglus> Urthmover: and it's run by the user, not during the boot
[05:42] <IRCMonkey> can anyone tell me if there is a website that i can find softwares that run on linux?
[05:42] <Urthmover> ok dooglus...how do I check everything from SSH and get it back up?
[05:42] <linlin> i cannot install wine :(
[05:43] <chapium> anyone here remember the name of gnome's irc channel?
[05:43] <RememberPOL> #gnome
[05:43] <RememberPOL> LOL
[05:43] <dabaR> IRCMonkey: use synaptic to install software on Ubuntu. http://dabar.selfip.org/synaptic.html will sghow you how.
[05:43] <RememberPOL> crimsun: Is 6.04 a stable release?
[05:43] <chapium> RememberPOL, I mistyped, i meant server
[05:43] <dooglus> Urthmover: I did it a few days ago.  I think what I did was installed "vncserver", used that to see GNOME, and then from GNOME configured the 'remote desktop' stuff, then uninstalled 'vncserver'
[05:43] <cyphase> how can i get flash sound to work?
[05:43] <cyphase> i followed the wiki guide..
[05:44] <cyphase> but it's not working
[05:44] <chapium> anyone here remember the name of gnome's irc server?
[05:44] <dooglus> RememberPOL: it will be in 06.04
[05:44] <cyphase> irc.gimp.org works
[05:44] <Urthmover> ok so doogius...
[05:44] <RememberPOL> chapium: irc.gnome.org
[05:44] <Urthmover> I need to apt-get install vncserver?
[05:44] <crimsun> Urthmover: then you'll want to install something like tightvncserver, which is in universe
[05:44] <Urthmover> there isn't such a thing
[05:44] <dooglus> 2006.April
[05:44] <crimsun> RememberPOL: no, it's not stable
[05:44] <Urthmover> there is vnc-common
[05:44] <chapium> RememberPOL, thanks
[05:44] <RememberPOL> dooglus: Interesting.
[05:44] <dooglus> Urthmover: lemme check
[05:44] <Urthmover> vncviewer
[05:45] <linlin> !Wine
[05:45] <Urthmover> and how do I remove it (cleanly) and reinstall it then?
[05:45] <RememberPOL> chapium: Does all ubuntu visioning go by year.month ?
[05:45] <Squee-D> tightvncserver in misc universe
[05:45] <dooglus> Urthmover: it's in universe
[05:45] <Urthmover> what does that mean?
[05:45] <chapium> RememberPOL, you mean versioning?
[05:45] <dooglus> RememberPOL: yes
[05:45] <Urthmover> man I'm really new to all this
[05:45] <RememberPOL> They'll all be x.04, x.10
[05:45] <RememberPOL> !
[05:45] <ubotu> RememberPOL: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[05:45] <crimsun> cyphase: echo FIREFOX_DSP=none >> ~/.mozilla-firefoxrc
[05:45] <RememberPOL> 6.04
[05:45] <chapium> RememberPOL, I'm not familiar.. see dooglus
[05:45] <RememberPOL> 6.10
[05:45] <Urthmover> how do I put universe in my sources.list then?
[05:45] <sklav> dabaR, the configs look identical
[05:46] <dooglus> !universe
[05:46] <RememberPOL> 7.04
[05:46] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse follow section 2.3 in http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/ch02.html#addinguniverse - Official sources.lists here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) see also !easysource
[05:46] <RememberPOL> 7.10 LOl
[05:46] <dooglus> I think by the time 7.10 is due, free software will be outlawed
[05:47] <sklav> the only difference is the following line
[05:47] <sklav> pre-up /sbin/ifconfig eth1 up # line maintained by pppoeconf
[05:47] <Aviatrixie> Hi all... a newbie to Linux. Been playing with the CLI and starting to get comfortable. In my searces I found something called Automatix. Tried it... worked GREAT! But... after I installed midi my browser hung. I tried to reboot but my system hung. I did a control/alt/back and came back to a green screen.  I did another control/alt/back and powered down at the login. The powerdown scroll showed fail on Timidity. On reboot ever
[05:47] <Aviatrixie> ything seems normal now. My question... has Automatix been known to break things?
[05:47] <RememberPOL> crimsun: Did you have to do anything special to get the Intel PRO/Wireless card working?
[05:48] <nickrud> !automatix
[05:48] <ubotu> it has been said that automatix is crap
[05:48] <crimsun> RememberPOL: no, it has worked since Hoary/5.04
[05:48] <Madpilot> Aviatrixie: yes
[05:48] <dabaR> Yay, gnomebaker finally opens on this computer(just tried in breezy). It did not work in 410 or 504
[05:48] <RememberPOL> crimsun: I think I installed Ubuntu an a Dell Latitute L110 and the wireless card didn't work...
[05:48] <Aviatrixie> Hi Madpilot :)
[05:48] <sklav> dabaR, sethk can someone explain what the following means
[05:48] <sklav> pre-up /sbin/ifconfig eth1 up # line maintained by pppoeconf
[05:48] <Aviatrixie> So... I shouldn't use Automatix?
[05:49] <Madpilot> hi Aviatrixie
[05:49] <crimsun> Aviatrixie: correct.
[05:49] <kotton> What is a good yahoo like client with voice?
[05:49] <dabaR> sklav: you reran pppoeconf after removing that?
[05:49] <sklav> yes
[05:49] <sklav> now that lien is not there
[05:49] <sklav> line
[05:49] <dabaR> sklav: post your interfaces for me to look at. I can not explain what it means, no.
[05:49] <sklav> im wondering why it was added
[05:49] <Madpilot> back later, all...
[05:49] <dabaR> sklav: so, did you try rebooting to see whether it now works always? Well, you will see in time anyhow...
[05:50] <sklav> always is a big assumption
[05:50] <Aviatrixie> I'm a total linux newbie... but I'm loving it. I feel like I did back in the early 80's with my ti99... my mac... my dos machine. LOL
[05:50] <sklav> hehe
[05:50] <sklav> it worked this time
[05:50] <sklav> time will tell
[05:50] <dabaR> right. Ok, well, that line means that noone in Ubuntu-devel uses pppoe:)
[05:50] <kotton> I too am a newbie and I must say I am enjoying ubuntu and all the new learning
[05:50] <sklav> i had to reboot by the way cause network restart didnt work again
[05:51] <dabaR> sklav: reboot is only for new kernels.
[05:51] <sklav> dabaR, i know that ;)
[05:51] <sklav> but when the interfaces wont start
[05:51] <Blocky> What can unzip .rar files?
[05:51] <dabaR> Blocky: unrar-nonfree or rar
[05:51] <sklav> and i figured i will test the reboot
[05:51] <nomasteryoda> just take network down with ... ifconfig eth0 down
[05:51] <sklav> and up
[05:51] <nickrud> Blocky, you need unrar-nonfree from multiverse repository
[05:51] <dabaR> Blocky: both in multiverse.
[05:51] <nomasteryoda> ya
[05:51] <Blocky> dabaR, Alright thanks
[05:51] <sklav> i know but is there a reason why network restart wont do it?
[05:52] <Blocky> nickrud, roger
[05:52] <sklav> like in redhat
[05:52] <nomasteryoda> Blocky, you might want to get par2 as well
[05:52] <dabaR> sklav: sudo pon dsl-provider is your network restart on pppoe.
[05:52] <kotton> What is a good yahoo like client with voice?
[05:52] <nickrud> dabaR, first, me complete (for once :)
[05:52] <Blocky> nomasteryoda, What is that?
[05:52] <Aviatrixie> hi kotton :)  I love how Ubuntu found everything. My install went flawlessly. But... it's a bit intimidating. LOL
[05:52] <dabaR> sklav: sorry, sudo poff dsl-provider first.
[05:53] <sklav> dabaR, i know the commands hehe
[05:53] <nomasteryoda> repair rar files... often what is posted in newsgroups or other places
[05:53] <sklav> im asking why network restart wont do it
[05:53] <Paradoxx> lo all
[05:53] <dabaR> sklav: well, that takes a short time, ddi you wait?
[05:53] <sklav> i waited 10 seconds
[05:53] <Paradoxx> my printer can also double as a scanner. Is there any way I can get the scanner functionality withing ubuntu?
[05:53] <sklav> maybe i was impatient
[05:53] <Aviatrixie> So... from the Ubuntu gurus here... I should avoid Automatix?
[05:53] <sklav> Paradoxx, maybe sane will work
[05:53] <crimsun> Aviatrixie: yes.
[05:53] <Paradoxx> the printer is an HP Officejet 600
[05:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes Aviatrixie you should
[05:53] <kotton> Aviatrixie: Yes it is. I have been battling to learn how to install different downloads but getting there slow but sure
[05:54] <caonex> I have two ethernet cards, one that is integrated to the motherboard, that i am currently using. The other, a 3Com 3c905, but is not present in the network configuration, why? lspci shows it as if it has been detected and a module allocated for it
[05:54] <Paradoxx> sklav: sane??
[05:54] <Paradoxx> sane!
[05:54] <Paradoxx> !sane
[05:54] <ubotu> Paradoxx: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[05:54] <nickrud> Paradoxx, it should, applications->graphics->xsane I think
[05:54] <sklav> sane and gimp-sane and i belib xsane
[05:55] <Paradoxx> sigh >.<
[05:55] <Paradoxx> no devices found
[05:55] <nickrud> that is an old one
[05:55] <Aviatrixie> ok... I will. It was really slick though... it installed a couple of things that I was struggling with the cli. But after my midi hang I was really scared I was looking at a clean install.
[05:55] <dabaR> Aviatrixie: you can use synaptic to install things on ubuntu.
[05:55] <sklav> synaptic is awesome
[05:55] <Urthmover> ok so I install vncserver....and it started and ps shows it running
[05:56] <Urthmover> but I can't seem to connect
[05:56] <Urthmover> :-(
[05:56] <crimsun> Urthmover: you do have to configure it...
[05:56] <poningru> so guys question
[05:56] <Urthmover> well I set the passwod
[05:56] <poningru> I have two computers connected through a router
[05:56] <Urthmover> what else?
[05:56] <poningru> one is window, this is ubuntu
[05:57] <Aviatrixie> kotton... I've come to realize you have to use the command line to really set your system up the way you want it. This ain't no Linspire!  LOL
[05:57] <poningru> how do I transfer files through the router
[05:57] <poningru> thanks dabar :(
[05:57] <nickrud> Paradoxx, http://hpoj.sourceforge.net/suplist.shtml says it should work
[05:57] <Aviatrixie> dabaR... I've used synaptic... it's slick.
[05:57] <sethk> Aviatrixie, you have the command line when you need it, and you have the easy way for most cases
[05:57] <dabaR> poningru: there is probably 10 ways. You can try samba(ubotu knows about samba) and you can use ftp, are two ways you can try.
[05:57] <kotton> Aviatrixie: nope, it isn't windows that's for sure, lots of fun
[05:58] <Aviatrixie> But as a total linux newb I'm just coming to terms with the cli
[05:58] <Jeeves_moss> frogzoo:  you here?
[05:58] <poningru> dabaR: well the thing is I cant setup anything on my windows computer
[05:58] <poningru> I guess i can set up an ftp server
[05:58] <dabaR> poningru: set up samba on Ubuntu, or an sftp server on Ubuntu, and install a ftp client(perhaps filezilla) on the windows.
[05:59] <Jeeves_moss> ALL:  Does any one here have ANY experiance with a older Proliant server?  I get a "dropping to shell" msg.
[05:59] <Aviatrixie> sethk: my main interest is DAW apps. When I sort all of this out I want to install Ardour.
[05:59] <pashaw> Aviatrixie,  if you thought DOS commands were fun   bah!  CLI is light years ahead!
[05:59] <Blocky> Anyone know how i can play .rm movie format?
[05:59] <Nimmit> hey, when I try to run dldrconfig, I get Access denied
[05:59] <Blocky> Doesnt recognize the format
[05:59] <nickrud> !tell Blocky about restricted
[05:59] <grayman> realplayer
[05:59] <Nimmit> how can I run this?
[05:59] <sethk> Aviatrixie, first thing I do on a windows box is install cygwin so all my unix/linux commands work
[05:59] <Aviatrixie> pashaw... but I haven't used dos for 20 years!!!  I'm strictly Ubuntu now.
[06:01] <poningru> right
[06:01] <poningru> what about telnet?
[06:01] <Jeeves_moss> poningru:  do you know anything about how to fix a "dropping to shell" issue?
[06:01] <dabaR> poningru: windows has a built in telnet client in the command prompt.
[06:01] <poningru> Jeeves_moss: when does it drop to shell?
[06:01] <sethk> Aviatrixie, that's good, but occasionally work requires me to use windows.  and I need the money to pay the rent
[06:01] <Aviatrixie> Besides... the best way to learn a new os is to ONLY use it.
[06:01] <poningru> dabaR: do I need to set up a telnet server on linux?
[06:02] <sethk> Jeeves_moss, dropping to shell can be caused by any failure in boot after a certain point, so you need to tell us what happens just _before_ it says dropping to shell
[06:02] <sethk> Aviatrixie, oh, definitely.
[06:02] <dabaR> poningru: you need to not set up one. It is not secure.
[06:02] <Jeeves_moss> it gets to boot, then gives the splash screen "calc dependicies", then looks to crash after "error inserting thermal"
[06:02] <sethk> Aviatrixie, and using it on a spare disk is even better.  :)
[06:02] <poningru> dabaR: oh that will do then
[06:02] <sethk> Jeeves_moss, ok, the quickie way to get around this is to remove thermal from the list of modules to be loaded at boot.
[06:03] <dabaR> poningru: Ubuntu does not come with a telnet server installed, mostly for reasons as above.
[06:03] <sethk> Jeeves_moss, the real way to fix it is to insmod thermal, find out what it complains about, and fix that
[06:03] <kotton> sethk: I installed on a 20gig slave drive with dual boot, I love the os
[06:03] <Aviatrixie> sethk: I understand. I just went into early retirement. LTD  :(  But I have lots of time to learn a new os now. ;)
[06:03] <Jeeves_moss> sethk: the LAST line it says is... "ALERT! /dev/mapper/Ubuntu-root does not exist/  Droppping to shell"
[06:03] <sethk> Jeeves_moss, just a guess but I would check to be sure you don't have mixed versions, that is, a module from one kernel and a boot image from another
[06:03] <sethk> Jeeves_moss, that usually means that the file system module failed to load
[06:04] <Jeeves_moss> sethk: I just installed it from a bootable CD.  Is there a net d-load one like with Debian that might find all the peices I need for this older POS?
[06:04] <Aviatrixie> Anyway... from what I see so far, Ubuntu is great stuff.
[06:04] <poningru> dabaR: thanks dude
[06:04] <sethk> Jeeves_moss, there is the live cd which is very good at that sort of thing
[06:04] <pashaw> Aviatrixie, if thats the case get a knoppix cd and the book  knoppix hacks  youll be set to fix just about any mishap
[06:05] <neiras> Hello - if `cat /proc/cpuinfo' lists more than one processor, SMP is working, right?
[06:05] <drcode> hi all
[06:05] <drcode> can I run two sshd ?
[06:05] <drcode> with diffrent ports?
[06:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> neiras: yes
[06:05] <Jeeves_moss> sethk:  I tried the live CD, but it dosen't seem to fix my issue.
[06:05] <neiras> Kamping_Kaiser: Thanks! Cool to see 4 processors in that list
[06:05] <sethk> Jeeves_moss, what type of file system is your root file system?
[06:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> neiras: o_0
[06:06] <Jeeves_moss> I let it auto config.
[06:06] <neiras> Actually just 2, but dual core
[06:06] <dabaR> drcode: would one sshd listening to two ports work?
[06:06] <sethk> Jeeves_moss, you can still find out
[06:06] <Jeeves_moss> sethk:  I should warn you, I've only been using linux for a few months.  how would I do that if it dropped me to a "busy box" shell?
[06:06] <Aviatrixie> Pashaw:  LOL I've played with a lot of Knoppix derivatives. I love DSL! Slax is nice too. And BeatrIX is slick... and based on Ubuntu. Unfortunatly I couldn't get it to install on my system.
[06:06] <drcode> realy?
[06:06] <drcode> how I can do it?
[06:07] <Aviatrixie> Can you tell I've fallen in love with Linux?
[06:07] <chapium> argh rhythmbox is crap
[06:07] <chapium> it wont remember what files are in my library, and closes itself if you accidently play a file that no longer exists
[06:07] <sethk> Jeeves_moss, boot a live cd (not to fix the problem, just to do this) and run a file (I think it is file) command on /dev/hda1 (or whatever the root partition is)
[06:07] <dabaR> drcode: I asked you would that work for you... Ill tell you in a sec when I figure out.
[06:07] <Jeeves_moss> sethk:  hummmm.  ok.  just a sec.
[06:07] <pussfeller> i was follwing the wiki instructions for recovering grub and it work3ed but my mtab is messed up
[06:08] <pashaw> Aviatrixie,  i dont run any of the knoppix family distros  but i always keep a few disks  around for emergencys
[06:08] <Jeeves_moss> sethk:  this is my fist actual dual CPU system.  I guess I coulden't just do a simple OS
[06:08] <pussfeller> my install still has the live-cd mtab
[06:08] <sethk> pussfeller, mtab is a dynamic structure populated by the running system.  Perhaps you mean fstab?
[06:08] <pussfeller> hmmm
[06:08] <pashaw> Aviatrixie, thats prob cause it hasnt broken yet   :p
[06:09] <drcode> k
[06:09] <drcode> thanx
[06:09] <drcode> yes its good
[06:09] <kotton> pashaw may well have his finger on the pulse for the situation
[06:09] <pussfeller> sethk, ya its my fstab thats messed up
[06:09] <Aviatrixie> pashaw:  LOL the way I'm messing with things I'm sure I'll break it eventually. I was afraid I broke it tonight with Automatix!
[06:10] <pussfeller> maybe i can get one from my drapper install and tweak it
[06:10] <sethk> pussfeller, simple thing to do is to edit the fstab and fix it
[06:10] <FrankyFourFinger> goodmorning
[06:10] <neiras> Anyone know of tools that help me look at what the kernel is doing with processor affinity?
[06:10] <pashaw> Aviatrixie, ive used that for the general stuff  mplayer firefox1.5
[06:11] <chapium> argh, why does ubuntu keep sending out kernel updates
[06:11] <chapium> without any info as to why they are updating it
[06:11] <dabaR> drcode: well, edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config and add a "Port X" line to under where it says "Port 22". Then restart sshd: "sudo invoke-rc.d ssh restart". Then it works. To test, "ssh -p X username@host". X is the port number.
[06:11] <sethk> chapium, they like to torture you
[06:11] <Aviatrixie> At least I'm comfortable with clean installs. My kids have broken XP enough times with file sharing. (da#n browser hijacks!) So my intentions are to migrate them to Linux as well.
[06:11] <sethk> chapium, the reason is usually because the newer kernel supports more hardware
[06:11] <chapium> sethk, so my suspicions are confirmed
[06:12] <neiras> Oh, and does anyone know why rsync is installed and started by default in a fresh Ubuntu install? Can it be safely disabled?
[06:12] <chapium> sethk, its not that they hate me so much as they just like torture
[06:12] <chapium> in general
[06:12] <cdubya> chapium, I haven't had any probs with rhythmbox at all
[06:12] <dabaR> chapium: it is an international plot.
[06:12] <chapium> cdubya, delete a folder and see what happens when a playlist goes back and tries to play it
[06:12] <cdubya> heh
[06:12] <cdubya> well....
[06:13] <dabaR> chapium: see, dubya is here.
[06:13] <cdubya> heh
[06:13] <chapium> i might be ranting a bit about small things
[06:13] <chapium> i actually think ubuntu is quite nifty and well done
[06:13] <neiras> chapium - It sure is
[06:14] <Aviatrixie> pashaw: I used it to update my Jave from the Brown version that I got from the Ubuntu repo. I couldn't get the latest to install from Sun.
[06:14] <cdubya> chapium, I can't delete one anyway.....maybe it's protecting me from that issue.....heh
[06:15] <pashaw> Aviatrixie, nice,  just be aware its not recommended as it can really whack a system
[06:15] <chapium> cdubya, i havent known it to protect folders... what happened was an auto-playlist was set, one folder was unmounted, the autoplaylists still had the entries, and the program just crashed
[06:16] <cdubya> ouch
[06:16] <chapium> since a large number of files were in that, it sucked
[06:16] <chapium> then it lost the library
[06:16] <chapium> which i believe is because it was trying to uncorrupt itself
[06:16] <GTroy> hey guys, how often is it good to reinstall?
[06:16] <dabaR> GTroy: it is your choice.
[06:16] <chapium> GTroy, you should not need to necessarily
[06:16] <pashaw> Aviatrixie, im rather amazed myself   took all of 3mins to setup dual monitors, and the fan on my old toshiba laptop worked without any recompile  i was impressed
[06:17] <GTroy> dabaR, chapium: cool I know people do it with osx.4
[06:17] <cdubya> chapium, I have a playlist that loads automagically, then I can add to it and it saves any changes after I close.....but I don't see that I can delete them from the playlist in this version....at least from selecting the artist name and then trying to delete the CD
[06:17] <La_PaRCa> hey kids
[06:17] <GTroy> so I was wondering
[06:17] <dabaR> GTroy: they are end users.
[06:17] <dabaR> It is like rebooting cause you dont know how to fix an issue without rebooting.
[06:17] <j813> Hi guys, is it possible to install over an existing 5.10 just the Grub, from the Disk? thanks
[06:17] <GTroy> would reinstalling help permissions?
[06:17] <chapium> cdubya, i think i got around the issue for now since i'm just getting the music player setup
[06:18] <chapium> cdubya, however it would not have been fun to reset a ton of playlists to get that to stop breaking
[06:18] <pussfeller> do i need this stuff about /tmp/app//image in my fstab
[06:18] <dabaR> j813: what do you really want to do and know? You can not just be out of fun reinsatlling grub.
[06:18] <Aviatrixie> sawwy... was awk... pashaw... are you saying the latest version of Java can whack my breezy?
[06:18] <cdubya> chapium, prolly not.
[06:19] <cdubya> chapium, so what are you using?
[06:19] <pashaw> Aviatrixie,   no  Automatix can so dont push your luck with it
[06:19] <chapium> cdubya, what what?
[06:19] <cdubya> chapium, so are you still using Rhythmbox then, or something different?
[06:20] <chapium> cdubya, i seem to have it working now so i'm using it.   I was contemplating banshee or xmms
[06:20] <j813> dabar: I installed another Distro so rather Gedit my list try to re-install Grub?
[06:20] <cdubya> chapium, I used xmms, but had some random wonkyness with playlists, so I ditched it.
[06:20] <concept10> chapium, get quod libet
[06:20] <dabaR> j813: did this distro not install its grub?
[06:20] <chapium> concept10, i read about that, i might try it
[06:21] <Aviatrixie> pashaw: I stumbled onto Automatix during my forum searches. I seemed like a bunch of hot to trot coders, but it intrigued me. Since my breezy install is only a few days old I figured if it broke it's no big deal.
[06:21] <concept10> chapium, its sooo much better than rhythmbox
[06:21] <j813> actually I did, but at 1st i didn't because I rather use the 5.10 Grub
[06:21] <Aviatrixie> oops... IT seemed.  LOL
[06:22] <cdubya> GTroy, I've heard of folks reinstalling OS X as well, but mostly because the disks get majorly hammered up.........
[06:22] <pashaw> Aviatrixie,   same thing i did
[06:22] <dabaR> j813: you can try this page, and its instructions: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[06:23] <dabaR> GTroy: chmod fixes permissions. Reinstall resets everything to a good state.
[06:23] <j813> dabaR thanks! Happy Holidays
[06:23] <cafuego> GTroy: Sharing $HOME with OSX?
[06:23] <dabaR> thanks, to you too.
[06:24] <Aviatrixie> So... I gather Automatix is NOT sanctioned my Mr. Shuttleworth.  ;)
[06:24] <dabaR> no, it breaks systems, Aviatrixie.
[06:24] <cafuego> GTroy: Every two 2 weeks or so you'll need to boot OSX and run DiskWarrior to fix the filesystem.
[06:24] <crimsun> I don't think the sabdfl would care either way, Aviatrixie.
[06:24] <dabaR> like, a Ubuntu does not work after something goes wrong.
[06:25] <crimsun> Aviatrixie: as a maintainer, though, I find it abhorrent.
[06:25] <Aviatrixie> crimsun: how so?
[06:25] <Aviatrixie> I know the answer... but I want to hear it from an insider  :)
[06:26] <crimsun> Aviatrixie: it is messy, breaks all sorts of security guidelines, and isn't open to improvement.
[06:26] <linlin> im having trouble installing wine
[06:26] <awstott> sudo apt-get install wine
[06:27] <Aviatrixie> crimsun:  security... that rings lots of bells. It IS why I made the decision to migrate from M$ to Linux.
[06:27] <robnyc`> anyone here has ubuntu installed and can chroot to a reiser4 partition?
[06:27] <linlin> E: Package wine has no installation candidate
[06:27] <Victorjiang> in bugzilla.ubuntu.com ,when I click 'advanced search', why it is empty?
[06:27] <sklav> damn i learn something new every day
[06:27] <cafuego> robnyc`: I doubt most people who know what chroot is would elect to have anything to do with reiser4.
[06:28] <Aviatrixie> I'm soooooooooooooo sick of AV updates, spyware updates, software firewalls bogging my system down.
[06:28] <sklav> i want aware that the comments in menu.lst for grub were actually auto config options
[06:28] <sklav> ## is a comment
[06:28] <dabaR> linlin: add universe.
[06:28] <cdubya> cafuego, that's pretty much a common problem with os x, isn't it?
[06:28] <linlin> i have
[06:28] <sklav> # is not the same
[06:28] <robnyc`> cafuego: dont doubt that
[06:28] <dabaR> linlin: reload package list.
[06:28] <dabaR> linlin: what do you use to isntall progerams
[06:28] <robnyc`> cafuego: would u know if reiser4 support is built-in the kernel or any ubuntu kernel ?
[06:28] <linlin> command line
[06:29] <dabaR> is that a program name?
[06:29] <linlin> apt-get
[06:29] <dabaR> do you know how to update with it?
[06:29] <cdubya> cafuego, thought I had read that the fs got messed up pretty often, which why folks were reinstalling and/or running consistent fs maintenance on them.....
[06:29] <caonex> I have two ethernet cards, one that is integrated to the motherboard, that i am currently using. The other, a 3Com 3c905, but is not present in the network configuration, why? lspci shows it as if it has been detected and a module allocated for it
[06:29] <caonex> this card was detected in ubuntu hoary, but its not in breezy
[06:29] <Victorjiang>  in bugzilla.ubuntu.com ,when I click 'advanced search', why it is empty?
[06:30] <sklav> caonex, try ifconfig eth1 <IP_ADDRESS> up
[06:30] <cdubya> concept10, quod libet is kinda slick. thanks for the tip.
[06:30] <sklav> see if it come sup
[06:30] <linlin> sudo apt-get update
[06:30] <sklav> it might not be setup to come up on boot
[06:30] <dabaR> linlin: ok, and after that, do you get wine?
[06:30] <chapium> concept10, quod libet doesnt seem to be reading my id3 tags
[06:30] <linlin> no
[06:30] <chapium> concept10, oh.. looks like it is just a few
[06:31] <dabaR> linlin: you did not add universe. how are you adding universe?
[06:31] <linlin> commented out the lines in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:31] <dabaR> to comment out means to make into a comment, afaik.
[06:31] <crimsun> caplink811_log: do you have python-id3lib installed?
[06:31] <Aviatrixie> A quick question... my router firewalls incoming, but not outgoing. I use zonealarm on wondoze to block outgoing. (a good example is realplayer phoning home as to my whereabouts). Any recommendations as to a firewall for Linux that will give me that?
[06:31] <crimsun> caplink811_log: sorry
[06:31] <crimsun> chapium: do you have python-id3lib installed?
[06:32] <dragoon> Aviatrixie: firestarter
[06:32] <dabaR> linlin: post that sources.list to paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[06:32] <Lukian> Aviatrixie: your brain works well
[06:32] <s_grace6u> hi guys!  (The stanbdard OSX disk tool can't repair the damage).
[06:32] <sklav> Aviatrixie, im not sure but i think firestarter will do it
[06:32] <Aviatrixie> LOL  Thanks Lukian... I think!  ;)
[06:32] <linlin> gladly
[06:32] <s_grace6u> just wanted to ask if ubuntu can't have yahoo messenger at all
[06:32] <the_mr_bong_show> is there a way for the windows like the filebrowser and stuff to be clear so i can see the wallpaper
[06:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> s_grace6u: the yahoo client no, gaim does yahoo though
[06:33] <s_grace6u> what's gaim?
[06:33] <neiras> hot damn... default breezy install works perfectly with my megaraid dcontroller
[06:33] <s_grace6u> i'm a new ubuntu user by the way
[06:34] <sklav> Aviatrixie, did you try firestarter?
[06:34] <Yomic> Gaim is AIM, MSN, YIM, and (ICQ?) all in one
[06:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> s_grace6u: gaim is a chat client
[06:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, icq
[06:34] <chapium> crimsun, looks like its ok
[06:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> napster IRC
[06:34] <Yomic> And IRC, but Xchat is better
[06:34] <linlin> dabaR http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6057
[06:34] <s_grace6u> oh, i see :D
[06:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> *napset, IRC, blah
[06:34] <crimsun> chapium: what's ok?
[06:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> *napster
[06:34] <Aviatrixie> sklav... not yet. I will tho, I promise
[06:34] <the_mr_bong_show> is there a way for the windows like the filebrowser and stuff to be clear so i can see the wallpaper
[06:34] <chapium> quod libet and python id3.. its fine
[06:34] <sklav> it is almost like zonealarm
[06:34] <crimsun> chapium: meaning that it parses id3 tags?
[06:34] <dabaR> the_mr_bong_show: you will have to be creative, I do not think there is a way.
[06:35] <sklav> its graphical
[06:35] <chapium> crimsun, yes
[06:35] <sklav> and allows for monitoring connections
[06:35] <sklav> internal also
[06:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> the_mr_bong_show: terminals have transparency, i don't think nautilus does
[06:35] <the_mr_bong_show> but i saw a screen shot of someone that had it on ubuntu
[06:35] <dabaR> linlin: well. It is there, like you can see too. Paste the output of the "apt-get update", and then "apt-cache search wine", please to pastebin.
[06:35] <cdubya> cafuego, k. thanks.
[06:35] <neiras> try transset if you have the X composite extension enabled
[06:35] <Aviatrixie> I must stress... I'm a total linux newb... played with a dozen live live CDs for a month, finally made the commitment to Ubuntu a few days ago with the install.
[06:36] <linlin> ok
[06:36] <cdubya> hey tony
[06:36] <landotter> transparency can be had for anything if you run composite, but you need a fancy vid card.
[06:36] <cafuego> cdubya: I don't know though, if the hfs+ driver has been improved in kernels newer then 2.6.12. it may no longer happen in 2.6.15. But then, my wife is happy using Linux exclusively.
[06:36] <Aviatrixie> I decided to make it my ONLY OS. It's the only way to learn. I'm not about to swap drives unless I absolutely have to.
[06:37] <Lukian> hey, how can i add "always on top" to my right click menu for 'taskbar' entries?
[06:37] <linlin> dabaR http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6058
[06:37] <s_grace6u> is gaim in the ubuntu package or do i have to go look for it in the net? :D
[06:37] <tonyyarusso> cdubya, Hey.
[06:37] <batman> hey does anyone here know of a guide i can use to configure my sound card its a 5.1 creative 32bit
[06:37] <awstott> isn't gaim installed by default
[06:37] <robnyc`> anyone here smart enough has a reiser4 installed distro and uses ubuntu and is able to chroot into their reiser4 partition or knows if ubuntu's kernel has reiser4 support
[06:37] <Lukian> s_grace6u: load synaptic and search.
[06:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> s_grace6u: it's in applications -> internet ->gain
[06:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> *gaim
[06:37] <tonyyarusso> s_grace6u, It comes in the default install.
[06:37] <crimsun> s_grace6u: Gaim is part of ubuntu-desktop
[06:38] <crimsun> Applications> Internet> Gaim...
[06:38] <s_grace6u> thanks thanks! :D
[06:38] <tkup> what package should I install to have the file /usr/lib/qt3/mkspecs?
[06:39] <sklav> batman, go to system ->preferences -> sound
[06:39] <sklav> i have the same card and it just works
[06:39] <dabaR> linlin: and "apt-cache search wine"?
[06:39] <batman> sklav, does it come up as sb live [unknown]  for u?
[06:39] <Aviatrixie> I'm actually very comfortable with the desktop. I need to find a good and thorough newbie book to teach my CLI and syntax stuff. All of the books I've bought either want to convince you Linux is just as easy as Windoze (it isn't!) or assume you've been coding all your live.
[06:39] <tonyyarusso> tkup: http://packages.ubuntu.com/ has a search for packages by contained file thing, that might help you.
[06:40] <dabaR> !+ask the bot
[06:40] <ubotu> ask the bot is probably to get information about common things, try asking me, the bot. You can private message me if your nick is registered(/msg NickServ HELP REGISTER) you can private message me, by using /msg ubotu mp3, for example. to find out whether a package is in the official !repos and in which one, /msg ubotu info packagename, or to find which packages contain a file/keyword, /msg ubotu find keyword
[06:40] <nemik> does it happen to anyone else with firefox 1.5 that when visiting imageshack.us, the CPU spikes to 100%? this is crazy....
[06:40] <s_grace6u> wohoo! just got connected to yahoo via gaim...thanks guys! :D
[06:40] <linlin> dabaR http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6059
[06:41] <pashaw> Aviatrixie,   start with  vimtutor
[06:41] <Lukian> nemik: that's why firefox 1.5 sucks :)
[06:41] <nemik> lukian: so it is a known issue?
[06:41] <Aviatrixie> pashaw: what is vim?
[06:42] <Lukian> nemik: ff1.5 has lots of issues
[06:42] <nemik> i looked through imageshack.us source and can't find anything to make it act like this
[06:42] <pashaw> Aviatrixie, CLI text editor
[06:42] <tonyyarusso> nemik: I'll try it.
[06:42] <Lukian> which is why it's not in the stable package list.
[06:42] <nemik> tonyyarusso: thanks
[06:42] <pashaw> Aviatrixie, type  vimtutor inside terminal
[06:42] <Aviatrixie> pashaw: should I google it?
[06:42] <pashaw> Aviatrixie, no need
[06:42] <dabaR> linlin: to me your sources look fine, and wine should be there, yet it is not. I have no other ideas.
[06:42] <Aviatrixie> oh!!! It's in terminal?
[06:42] <Aviatrixie> duhhh
[06:42] <pashaw> Aviatrixie, yes
[06:43] <Aviatrixie> I told you I'm a newb!!!
[06:43] <pashaw> Aviatrixie, we believed you
[06:43] <pashaw> Aviatrixie, :P
[06:43] <Aviatrixie> ok... I'll go play with terminal.   :D
[06:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[06:43] <sklav> linlin, did you do sudo apt-get update
[06:44] <Aviatrixie> awesome forum.... thanks for your help, peeps!
[06:44] <pashaw> Aviatrixie, look me up this weekend ill be on   bedtime
[06:44] <linlin> yes
[06:44] <dabaR> sklav: check out the pastebin.
[06:44] <linlin> i followed the instructions on the site
[06:44] <linlin> it still says its not a package
[06:44] <Aviatrixie> sweet dreams, pashaw   :)
[06:44] <sklav> what is the link for the pastebin?
[06:44] <bfusionx> hi
[06:44] <tonyyarusso> nemik: Mine was 4-20% during the whole process of loading the page.
[06:44] <Aviatrixie> btw.... when PMs show up on magenta... is that a PM?
[06:44] <pashaw> !pastebin
[06:44] <ubotu> [pastebin]  a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[06:44] <bfusionx> can someone help me  with ndiswrapper?
[06:45] <Aviatrixie> you know what I mean
[06:45] <Aviatrixie> I haven't done irc in ages!
[06:45] <nemik> tonyyarusso: hmmm then i don't know what is going on with mine. it does it every time.
[06:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) Aviatrixie it's nice you are here
[06:46] <Moxie> think someone could help?
[06:46] <Cube-ness> hey.. gnome wont load for me anymore, and i can tfigure out why.. it loads mostly, when the panel loads, it appears, dies, appears, dies, et etc for ever
[06:47] <dabaR> Cube-ness: did you add something to run when you log in? added it to session in other words.
[06:47] <Cube-ness> no
[06:47] <Moxie> help?
[06:47] <dabaR> Moxie: you have to ask to find out.
[06:48] <Moxie> ok....
[06:48] <bfusionx> hey
[06:48] <dabaR> I mean, post your question, and we will be glad to answer if we know.
[06:48] <LunchBoxG4> I have a quick and hopefully easy question about ndiswrapper. I got it running with my Broadcom card successfully, but i need to load ndiswrapper on boot. How can I do that?
[06:48] <Moxie> anyone know anything about yaboot or dual booting
[06:48] <bfusionx> can someone help me with ndiswrapper?
[06:48] <dabaR> on a g4, LunchBoxG4 ?
[06:48] <LunchBoxG4> no, AMD64
[06:48] <LunchBoxG4> my other laptop is a G4 :-)
[06:48] <cdubya> Moxie, you still trying to get that working?
[06:49] <sklav> linlin, what re the irst 2 lines? in you sources.list
[06:49] <Moxie> shit ya
[06:49] <cdubya> heh
[06:49] <sklav> they dont seem to be standard
[06:49] <LunchBoxG4> everything works magic when I modprobe ndiswrapper myself, but I'd like it automatic
[06:49] <dabaR> ok, well, Moxie what do you want to know about yaboot?
[06:49] <cdubya> Moxie, remind me.....
[06:49] <bfusionx> guys my ndiswrapper , my drivers are present, but it doesn't show "hardware present"
[06:49] <Moxie> im trying to figure out dual booting mac/linux
[06:49] <linlin> they are wht they told me to put in on the wine site
[06:49] <Moxie> i install mac first and make the partitionsa
[06:49] <dabaR> Moxie: otherwise you get an answer like, yaboot means yet another boot manager,.
[06:49] <sklav> linlin, remove them
[06:49] <sklav> or comment them out
[06:49] <linlin> ok
[06:50] <bfusionx> guys my ndiswrapper , my drivers are present, but it doesn't show "hardware present"
[06:50] <cdubya> Moxie, k. so where are you at in the process....
[06:50] <sklav> and the do a apt-get clean
[06:50] <Moxie> then i install ubuntu....and when it comes to the yaboot screen i can choose mac or linux and linux will load fine but tiger doesnt
[06:50] <dabaR> Moxie: make a small newworld partition for yaboot on the first partition that it lets you.
[06:50] <sklav> and the do a apt-get update
[06:50] <Moxie> blank screen
[06:50] <cdubya> Moxie, you've got os x in the first 8 gigs, yeah?
[06:50] <Moxie> yea
[06:50] <erick> elow
[06:50] <cdubya> k
[06:50] <Moxie> first 50GB
[06:50] <Moxie> then linux in the last 8gb
[06:50] <erick> can i ask something about emailserver
[06:50] <dabaR> erick: no.
[06:50] <dabaR> that is taboo
[06:51] <erick> ok
[06:51] <cdubya> heh
[06:51] <bfusionx> guys my ndiswrapper , my drivers are present, but it doesn't show "hardware present"
[06:51] <Moxie> i make the tiger partition a new world partition
[06:51] <dabaR> erick: just joking, ask anything, just dont ask to ask.
[06:51] <nemik> tonyyaruss and lukian: just tried it on 1.07 and same thing happens.
[06:51] <LunchBoxG4> bfusionx, what kind of hardware are you trying to make work?
[06:51] <Danl> how do i check to see if vncserver is running from console?
[06:51] <erick> oki
[06:51] <sklav> there goes my question
[06:51] <sklav> :(
[06:51] <cdubya> Moxie, and you ran the Breezy installer and installed it in the second partition?
[06:51] <eric_> hi can anyone help me install realplayer
[06:51] <bfusionx> LunchBoxG4,  It is a DLINK DWL 520
[06:52] <erick> how to forward emails in my address
[06:52] <sklav> caonex, try ifconfig eth1 <IP_ADDRESS> up did you try it?
[06:52] <QQ_ghost> how do you mount an smb share?
[06:52] <cdubya> Moxie, methinks you at least need a couple more partitions there.....
[06:52] <LunchBoxG4> bfusionx, pcmcia or usb?
[06:52] <dabaR> eric_: which realplayer, the one in the repositories or the one from their site?
[06:52] <cdubya> Moxie, a bootstrap partition.....
[06:52] <bfusionx> lunchboxg4, pcmia
[06:52] <eric_> The one from the their site
[06:52] <Danl> n/m stupid question
[06:52] <erick> how to forward emails in my address
[06:52] <Danl> ps
[06:52] <erick> using sendmail
[06:52] <dabaR> erick: and what is not working with that? it is asking for libstdc+5 right?
[06:52] <Moxie> well i have swap space
[06:52] <LunchBoxG4> bfusionx, when you run lspci, is it listed? what about the end of dmesg?
[06:52] <sklav> erick, if you are using procmail
[06:53] <dabaR> eric_: ^
[06:53] <sklav> then just add a .forward
[06:53] <caonex> sklav, eth1 is working fine
[06:53] <erick> im using send mail
[06:53] <sklav> is that what you mean?
[06:53] <sklav> is it eth0?
[06:53] <caonex> sklav, eth0 is the one i am trying to make work
[06:53] <Moxie> 512mb swap space
[06:53] <eric_> I'm the one with the realplayer prob
[06:53] <Moxie> then the 50gb for tiger and 8gb for ubuntu
[06:53] <sklav> ok do ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS> up
[06:53] <caonex> sklav, eth0 is a 3c905, but breezy is not detecting it
[06:53] <dabaR> eric_: I know is it asking you for libstdc+5?
[06:53] <caonex> sklav, hoary was
[06:53] <sklav> ah ok
[06:53] <sklav> i understood that a module was assigned to it
[06:53] <erick> nope
[06:54] <bfusionx> its not listed lunchboxg4
[06:54] <cdubya> Moxie, methinks the bootstrap is where yaboot lives...thus the grey screen?
[06:54] <eric_> no it's saying can't find, I downloaded the file to the desktop
[06:54] <deFrysk> eric_, wget ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/pool/main/r/realplay/realplayer_10.0.6-0.0_i386.deb
[06:54] <LunchBoxG4> anyone know about addding "modprobe ndiswrapper" to boot?
[06:54] <caonex> sklav, this computer had hoary a moment ago and now has breezy and the card is not present in the networking configuration
[06:54] <erick> my sendmail is running but i need to forward emails
[06:54] <Moxie> yea....
[06:54] <Moxie> so what do i have to do
[06:54] <deFrysk> eric_, sudo apt-get install libstdc++5
[06:54] <Moxie> because it doesnt load tiger
[06:54] <cdubya> Moxie, been awhile since I've touched that old mac, hang on.
[06:54] <sklav> caonex, did you try adding it?
[06:54] <crimsun> LunchBoxG4: echo ndiswrapper | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[06:54] <deFrysk> eric_, sudo dpkg -i realplayer_10.0.6-0.0_i386.deb
[06:54] <bfusionx> its already on boot
[06:54] <caonex> however, lspci shows the card is there.
[06:54] <Moxie> alright
[06:54] <Moxie> anything would help
[06:54] <LunchBoxG4> crimsun, thanks.
[06:54] <caonex> sklav, adding it like how?
[06:54] <Moxie> ive tried mac first, second
[06:54] <eric_> i just type that in the terminal
[06:54] <sklav> threw the network configuration window
[06:55] <deFrysk> eric_, yes
[06:55] <dabaR> deFrysk: add that as a factoid "realplayer10" please.
[06:55] <LunchBoxG4> bfusionx, ok. I think your system may not see the PC card, so yeah ndiswwrapper won't either. are you sure your cardbus is working?
[06:55] <realoss> where can i get mplayer for ubuntu
[06:55] <LunchBoxG4> I ask, because mine isnt
[06:55] <sklav> --> system --> administration -->networking
[06:55] <eric_> ok thanks for your help I'll try that, wish me luck
[06:55] <bfusionx> how do I check lunchbox?
[06:55] <cdubya> Moxie, this fella is tri-booting YDL, Ubuntu and OS X, but some of the info might be helpful.... http://www.intuitive.com/blog/ubuntu_linux_yellowdog_linux_and_mac_os_x_all_on_one_powerbook.html
[06:55] <deFrysk> eric_, no luck needed just follow the instructions ;)
[06:55] <Moxie> ive looked at that already
[06:55] <Moxie> no help....
[06:56] <Moxie> i still couldnt figure it out
[06:56] <linlin> ok, i commented out the 2 top lines, and updated, now waht
[06:56] <realoss> where can i get mplayer for ubuntu?
[06:56] <Moxie> ive thought about using suse linux
[06:56] <deFrysk> eric_, also read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:56] <Moxie> but i heard its not as good
[06:56] <dabaR> deFrysk: I would add but I am in console so I can not paste.
[06:56] <LunchBoxG4> bfusion, that's a good question. I know mine isn't because its "unknown" in lspci
[06:56] <sklav> linlin, try apt-cache search wine
[06:56] <LunchBoxG4> have you looked for a wiki article or or forum post on your model laptop?
[06:56] <cdubya> Moxie, don't know about the ppc build, but it was an absolute dog for me.
[06:56] <linlin> same as before
[06:57] <cdubya> Moxie, had 9.3 on here before....went to Breezy and haven't looked back.
[06:57] <deFrysk> dabaR, no clue how to add factoids
[06:57] <sklav> linlin, did you try a different mirror?
[06:57] <sklav> example instead of us.archive.ubuntu.com
[06:57] <dabaR> deFrysk: are you registered?
[06:57] <dabaR> deFrysk: to freenode.
[06:57] <sklav> tyr ca.archive.ubuntu.com
[06:57] <Danl> fyi for those who were helping me earlier... the switch from debian to ubuntu without reinstall went flawlessly
[06:57] <deFrysk> dabaR, yup
[06:58] <dabaR> Danl: how, is there instructions somewhere?
[06:58] <Moxie> yea
[06:58] <Danl> i can tell you what i did... rather short
[06:58] <realoss> anybody who can help me to find mplayer for ubuntu???
[06:58] <Moxie> ive thought about striaght linux, and i would do it, but heres the problems ive found....
[06:58] <dabaR> deFrysk: "/msg ubotu realplayer10 is 1. blah, 2. blah, 3. blah"
[06:58] <Danl> replace all the sources... apt-get update then apt-get dist-update
[06:58] <deFrysk> dabaR, ok
[06:58] <tonyyarusso> realoss: Should be in the repos.  Try apt-cache search mplayer.
[06:59] <Moxie> no support for airport extreme (i have a wireless network at home) and none (ive found) for .nzb support
[06:59] <realoss> ok thanks tony!
[06:59] <dabaR> Danl: that is all?
[06:59] <Moxie> if i could find out how to make those two work, then i would just go straight linux
[06:59] <Danl> says im running breezy when i boot up now
[06:59] <dabaR> Danl: everything works?
[06:59] <Moxie> am i correct?
[06:59] <Danl> working on getting xserver working
[06:59] <Aviatrixie> g'nite everyone :)  danke for the help!
[06:59] <Danl> but thats a different problem
[06:59] <sirius> holap
[06:59] <Moxie> or does ubuntu do .nzb and airport extreme?
[06:59] <dabaR> OK, good work.
[06:59] <sirius> necesito alluda
[06:59] <caonex> sklav?
[06:59] <cdubya> Moxie, you'll prolly have a problem with APExt with any distro.
[06:59] <sirius> por favor
[06:59] <dabaR> sirius: is that portuguese?
[06:59] <Moxie> APExt?
[06:59] <sirius> soy nuevo en linux
[06:59] <sklav> yes caonex
[06:59] <sirius> nop
[06:59] <Moxie> oh oh
[06:59] <cdubya> Moxie, ap extreme
[06:59] <dabaR> spanish?
[06:59] <Moxie> yea
[06:59] <sirius> spaol
[07:00] <Moxie> word
[07:00] <LunchBoxG4> anyone out there using a compaq presario laptop or one of its HP cousins, and get the PCMCIA cardslot working?
[07:00] <dabaR> !es
[07:00] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[07:00] <sirius> spanish
[07:00] <Moxie> but .nzb?
[07:00] <Moxie> know anything that will work with ubuntu and ppc?
[07:00] <cdubya> Moxie, .nzb? you're gonna have to help me out with that one.
[07:00] <Moxie> usenet
[07:00] <Moxie> files
[07:00] <cdubya> ah
[07:00] <Danl> i need to figure out how to get vncserver working... so i can give the machine a head :-D
[07:00] <Moxie> i d/l ALOT of them
[07:00] <cdubya> k
[07:00] <Moxie> ive heard of "pan"?
[07:00] <Moxie> but that didnt work
[07:00] <cdubya> Moxie, you mean anything in the way of wireless cards?
[07:00] <sirius> alguen que hable espaol que me pueda alludar
[07:01] <cdubya> or what?
[07:01] <tonyyarusso> I'm hoping to install Breezy on an HP Pavillion dv4150us.  Are any of you aware of issues with doing so?
[07:01] <Moxie> yea does ubuntu work with wireless good?
[07:01] <sklav> caonex, u there?
[07:01] <tonyyarusso> (Google wasn't very helpful.)
[07:01] <Moxie> ive heard of getting a wireless bridge
[07:01] <cdubya> Moxie, picked mine up out of the box
[07:01] <Moxie> what?
[07:01] <cdubya> Moxie, but mine's not a mac.
[07:01] <Moxie> word
[07:01] <deFrysk> !realplayer10
[07:01] <ubotu> hmm... realplayer10 is 1; <wget ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/pool/main/r/realplay/realplayer_10.0.6-0.0_i386.deb> , 2; <sudo apt-get install libstdc++5 3>  3; <sudo dpkg -i realplayer_10.0.6-0.0_i386.deb>
[07:01] <Moxie> ethernet bridge?
[07:01] <sirius> quiero saber como instalar programas en linux
[07:01] <cdubya> Moxie, yeah, I've used them
[07:02] <caonex> sklav, yes i am
[07:02] <Moxie> thing plugs into the wall, then you run the ethernet to your comp
[07:02] <Moxie> that work well or no?
[07:02] <sklav> did you follow the steps to add it?
[07:02] <tonyyarusso> Anything in the DV 4100 series would be helpful.
[07:02] <caonex> sklav, why hoary detects it and breezy does not?
[07:02] <deFrysk> dabaR, done :)
[07:02] <Moxie> i got a 10MB connection at home....would it be as fast?
[07:02] <cdubya> Moxie, I've used eth->localtalk adapters.....
[07:02] <sklav> im not sure caonex
[07:02] <dabaR> deFrysk: sounds ok. sirius at least ask the question, we can try, but likely won't know what to do.
[07:02] <cdubya> Moxie, worked just fine
[07:02] <sirius> quien abla espaol
[07:02] <dabaR> sirius: pregunta.
[07:02] <sklav> i had some networking issues myself which were not present on hoary
[07:02] <caonex> sklav, you meant, before, try adding it by compiling its module?
[07:02] <dabaR> Hah,.
[07:02] <Moxie> word
[07:02] <caonex> sklav, i think i know why
[07:02] <Moxie> but what about .nzb
[07:02] <Moxie> or dc++
[07:02] <sirius> quiero saber como instalar programas
[07:02] <deFrysk> !es
[07:02] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[07:03] <cdubya> Moxie, not sure on those
[07:03] <sklav> it might be set offline
[07:03] <sklav> is what im thinking
[07:03] <Moxie> anywhere i could find out?