[05:10] <edgy> Hi, isn't it going backward to enable i386 packages in amd64 systems? shouldn't i386 be discouraged?
[05:11] <edgy> also I heard apper is better than muon, any comment?
[07:11] <Fudge> hi, known problems in 64bit alpha1? installer twice got to 90% and crashed
[09:03] <iceroot> Fudge: 32bit is working?
[09:04] <Fudge> iceroot  have not tried yet
[09:05] <Fudge> will burn it now
[09:34] <htorque> hm, i was just told at the boot screen that all my partitions (on two disks) aren't yet there or missing. i choose 's' to skip and the system booted fine - known issue?
[09:42] <htorque> scratch that, it was a loose power connection.
[10:28] <Ian_Corne> Fudge: did you checksum?
[10:29] <Fudge> actually i didnt
[10:29] <Fudge> i havent rebooted to try 32bit yet but when I do i will report back yay or nay :D
[13:05] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:20] <penguin42> anyone running +1 on a core i[357] ?
[14:20]  * penguin42 is sure loading coretmp used to get me entries in /sys/class/hwmon
[14:25] <emery> How broken is 12 ?
[14:25] <penguin42> 12?
[14:25] <emery> ubuntu 12
[14:25] <BluesKaj> not very ..running fine here
[14:25] <emery> what else?
[14:25] <penguin42> is it 12?  Didn't realise there was a number
[14:25] <Ian_Corne> 12.04
[14:26] <penguin42> Oh I see
[14:26] <emery> Well you should practice reading more, and less sarcasm.
[14:26] <penguin42> emery: It wasn't sarcasm
[14:27] <emery> Ok.
[14:27] <penguin42> eclipse appears broken
[14:27] <emery> BluesKaj: Is it still running that god awful unity ?
[14:28] <Ian_Corne> ....
[14:28] <emery> ....
[14:30] <emery> penguin42: unity still there?
[14:30] <BluesKaj> emery, I'm on kde , haent tried any other DEs yet
[14:30] <BluesKaj> er havent'
[14:30] <emery> Uhm
[14:30] <emery> There needs to be Gnome 3 or 2 in the Repos
[14:30] <emery> Unity is a disgrace
[14:30] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Yeh KDE isn't doing too bad - I've got a couple of weird things
[14:30] <BluesKaj> not a gnome/unity fan anyway
[14:30] <yofel> uhm, gnome3 IS in the repos
[14:30] <emery> Is it now.
[14:31] <penguin42> has been since at least Oneiric
[14:31] <Ian_Corne> it's also there in oneiric
[14:31] <yofel> gnome-shell is in the repos for oneiric too
[14:31] <emery> Gnome 2 is excellent
[14:31] <Ian_Corne> and you mean gnome-shell
[14:31] <emery> No i don't mean gnome-shell
[14:31] <penguin42> emery: Please don't start this rant again - we've had it in here for the last year
[14:31] <BluesKaj> penguin42, weird things , like?
[14:31] <yofel> emery: well, ubuntu uses unity instead of gnome-shell in oneiric, together with the rest of gnome3
[14:31] <emery> It's gnome 3 + the shell
[14:32] <emery> It isnt gnome-shell as a whole
[14:32] <penguin42> BluesKaj: I've got a 'job' running - the 'notification and job' shows one for no apparent reason
[14:32] <yofel> well, gnome3 is already used in oneiric then
[14:32] <yofel> just the shell isn't
[14:32] <emery> Gnome 3 in fallback mode
[14:33] <BluesKaj> penguin42, ahh, yeah , I've had that too , i just click on the notification and it stops
[14:33] <penguin42> nod
[15:34] <penguin42> LjL: Do you have eclipse+android tools working on +1 ?
[15:34] <LjL> penguin42: i don't have +1, i'm on Windows pending a new motherboard that isn't broken and lets me install Linux again ;)
[15:36] <penguin42> LjL: Ah, I was new to android dev as of mid last week, and just about got eclipse and the tools working and starting a project, but +1 doesn't seem to be loading any of the android stuff in eclipse - nothing androidy on the window menu and it gives 'Could not open the editor: No editor descriptor for id com.android.ide.eclipse.editors.layout.LayoutEditor' - but being new to it I'm not really sure if that's +1's fault or not
[17:12] <penguin42> hmph, npviewer is playing flash using alsa rather than pa - not sure why
[17:33] <bjsnider> npviewer isn't necessary
[17:34] <penguin42> while probably true, it shoudln't be using alsa directly
[17:37] <bjsnider> probably?
[17:38] <bjsnider> if you're on amd64 you should be using the 64-bit plugin
[17:38] <bjsnider> you can do that by uninstalling flashpugin-installer and installing adobe-flashplugin
[17:46] <bjsnider> it's still going to use also though
[17:47] <bjsnider> unless the browser supports pulse
[17:47] <penguin42> used to do it in OO
[17:48] <penguin42> and is doing it now
[17:54] <penguin42> right, got eclipse to work - you've got to use update-alternatives to select a v6 java for /usr/bin/java
[18:02] <BluesKaj> wish i could get rid of pulse , but I need it for webaudio :(
[18:06] <BluesKaj> at least the passthru on pulse works, thank the lord for small mercies
[18:43] <gnomefreak> unity crashing for anyone else? im filing a bug on it now but it isnt full unity that is crashing its a part of it
[18:44] <penguin42> gnomefreak: Working on this <--- machine, but it doesn't get as heavy use as the machine withKDE
[18:44] <penguin42> gnomefreak: anything in dmesg? It's often graphics driver related
[18:45] <gnomefreak> let you know but i doubt its graphic drivers
[18:45] <gnomefreak> unity_support_test crashed with SIGSEGV in __libc_start_main()
[18:47] <gnomefreak> package "nux"
[18:48] <penguin42> do you have a full backtrace?
[18:51] <gnomefreak> see bug 900000 if you can
[18:52]  * penguin42 finds its worth installing all the dbg libraries for everything used by unity as soon as it hits the smallest problem
[18:52] <gnomefreak> i try not to run backtraces anymore if i can avoid it
[18:52] <gnomefreak> it attached like 35 files to the bug :)
[18:53] <penguin42> no, it won't let me at it
[18:53] <penguin42> oh, and congratulations if you have got bug 900000 :-)
[18:54] <gnomefreak> Backtrace stopped: Not enough registers or memory available to unwind further on the traces
[18:55] <penguin42> hmm never seen that
[18:56] <gnomefreak> not seeing anything jump out at me in bootdmsg either
[18:57] <penguin42> odd, my view of bugs goes from 899999 to 90001
[18:58] <gnomefreak> here is a simular bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nux/+bug/764044
[18:58] <gnomefreak> its closed but same crash
[18:59] <gnomefreak> hm gmail is getting a new look
[18:59] <penguin42> they gave it a new look a few weeks back ?
[19:17] <gnomefreak> penguin42: not sure it looks the same to me. look at the new style at https://mail.google.com/mail/help/intl/en/newlook.html
[19:20] <gnomefreak> brb
[19:35] <penguin42> gnomefreak: Ah yeh, my work one offered me the change a few weeks back
[19:42] <gnomefreak> ah
[19:52] <Jigal> hello i have installed netbeans in ubuntu but now i can't find it in my dash home  menu how can i start it then?
[20:08] <batlock> cause they can't seem to help me in #ubuntu can you guys, where does the usb mount to when you boot via live mode... (from THE usb i'm trying to find)


[12:02] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[17:48] <RikMills> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2023-July/007563.html
[17:48] <RikMills> kinetic EOL


[00:37] <johnc4510> gonna fix some dinner...bbiab
[00:37] <johnc4510> :)
[01:12] <akgraner> johnc4510, ok I think I got all the links changed this time - when you get a chance can you let me know
[01:27] <johnc4510> akgraner: i'll look now
[01:30] <akgraner> johnc4510, I am making a better checklist for me now - As I do this each week I notice something else I need to put on the list :-)
[01:30] <johnc4510> nods