[02:46] <diego7319> hi
[02:50] <diego7319> developer tools are not installed.
[02:50] <diego7319> i cant run touch emulator because that
[08:20] <dholbach> good morning
[08:40] <AkivaAvraham> dholbach, o/
[08:42] <dholbach> hi AkivaAvraham
[09:33] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Eileen Collins Day! :-D
[09:43] <bzoltan> nik90: hello there. How much are you involved with the clock app development?
[09:46] <nik90> bzoltan: hi...pretty much the only maintainer of clock app :)
[09:46] <nik90> bzoltan: although I am on a personal hols to india
[09:47] <bzoltan> nik90:  all right :) than you are trhe right man... so there is a little problem with the autopilot tests. The app asks for permission to acces the lovation... what is not necessaryly granted by default. So the automatic tests can fail on that.
[09:52] <nik90> bzoltan: yes that's why the clock app tests are failing in the qa dashboard as well
[09:52] <nik90> bzoltan: I can only take a look at it when I get back on the Feb 10th I am afraif
[09:53] <nik90> Although there is currently a mp under review to fix that issue by brendand
[09:53] <nik90> bzoltan: may be you can use that ^^
[10:04] <kalikiana> timp: up for another look? https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/i18nctag/+merge/248260
[10:09] <bzoltan> nik90:  okey, for the UITK landings I can not use patched/fixed autopilot tests, so i wait for the fix to lan
[10:18] <dholbach> hey jdstrand, do you have an opinion on https://code.launchpad.net/~abreu-alexandre/click-reviewers-tools/fix-local-url-patterns-override-rule/+merge/248273?
[14:03] <AkivaAvraham> \o/ woo hoo!
[14:04] <AkivaAvraham> finished big hurdle in autopilot plugin!
[14:07] <renatu> seb128, hi about this MR: https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/ubuntu/vivid/syncevolution/default-syncInterval/+merge/247768
[14:08] <seb128> renatu, hey
[14:08] <renatu> seb128, your last question was about the desktop
[14:09] <renatu> seb128, well on desktop the sync of a full calendar is faster than the device
[14:09] <renatu> seb128, do you think that is possible to apply this patch only on the device?
[14:09] <seb128> renatu, well, the package is not specific to phone and we want convergence
[14:09] <seb128> renatu, so we shouldn't change a default because it makes sense on the phone
[14:10] <renatu> seb128, how we can solve that?
[14:10] <seb128> renatu, what's the issue with the full sync? data download? cpu use? did we quantify that somewhere?
[14:11] <renatu> seb128, it takes about 40 min on the device
[14:11] <renatu> seb128, up to 5 min on desktop
[14:12] <renatu> seb128, the time is to big, consume a lot of cpu and battery
[14:12] <seb128> renatu, is that cpu bounded? how many events are we talking about?
[14:13] <renatu> seb128, my calendar is very small, but bfiller and pmcgowan has the problem while syncing his calendars
[14:14] <renatu> seb128, I believe they have about 5 events every day, for about 5 years
[14:15] <seb128> renatu, are we talking about past events?
[14:15] <seb128> why do we even sync those at all?
[14:15] <renatu> seb128, yes
[14:15] <renatu> seb128, this is how syncevolution works
[14:16] <renatu> seb128, with this patch we create a limit to sync only the last 90 days
[14:16] <dpm> hi davidcalle, we haven't caught up this week yet - how's the porting guide coming along?
[14:17] <seb128> renatu, ok, sounds good then, for desktop as well
[14:18] <seb128> renatu, seems still worth forwarding upstream, it doesn't make sense to sync years of old events
[14:18] <renatu> seb128, ok nice. boiko is requesting a silo for it.
[14:18] <davidcalle> dpm, ogra_ directed me to rsalveti for help. I'm currently working on the mir section, trying to write something that makes sense. So all good, afaict. Can't hangout right now as I don't have my headphones, but tomorrow if you want ?
[14:18] <renatu> We will test it a bit more
[14:19] <dpm> davidcalle, sounds good. Are we still on track for having it ready for the UGJ?
[14:20] <renatu> seb128, thanks
[14:20] <seb128> renatu, yw!
[14:20] <davidcalle> dpm, My plan is to be ready for friday, still on track :)
[14:21] <davidcalle> dpm, when is going to be the UGJ (or dev event) after this one?
[14:26] <davidcalle> dpm, because we should really do something with snappy and the new raspi, there is still time to think about it of course, but I'd love to plan that.
[15:35] <karni> Hi folks o/ What would be the attached property in OptionSelectorDelegate indicating a value from model: [0, 1, 2, 3] (just a sample), if I'm not using a custom ListModel?
[15:35] <karni> I know 'index' is a delegate attached property, but is the value accessible right away, without puttling from the model based on index?
[15:35] <AkivaAvraham> karni, indix?
[15:36] <AkivaAvraham> index*
[15:36] <karni> AkivaAvraham: right, but ↑  :)
[15:36] <karni> say, model: [0, 23, 345, 567]
[15:36] <AkivaAvraham> karni, I believe it is. Its been awhile though.
[15:36] <karni> if I have OptionSelectorDelegate, how do I tell the value is 345 (without using index)
[15:37] <AkivaAvraham> karni, good question...
[15:37]  * karni blindly tests 'value' property
[15:48] <karni> I'll live with modelName[index], thanks anyway, AkivaAvraham
[15:48] <AkivaAvraham> karni, :/ its been like 2 months since I touched qml ; SORRY!
[15:48] <karni> AkivaAvraham: no prob at all ^_^
[15:48] <AkivaAvraham> karni, btw; what are you developing?
[15:49] <karni> AkivaAvraham: let's say one of preloaded Ubuntu apps ;)
[15:49] <AkivaAvraham> karni, so its secret? Otherwise I was going to ask for a favour.
[15:49] <AkivaAvraham> I was hoping you'd post what you are working on at http://www.reddit.com/r/ubuntuappdev
[15:50] <AkivaAvraham> karni, oh btw; ubuntu on air happens in 10 minutes
[15:50] <karni> oh, that's cool
[15:50] <karni> it's semi secret, but we can put it up there in a week or two :)
[15:53] <AkivaAvraham> Hey all: Live Ask Ubuntu Anything live in 10 minutes: http://ubuntuonair.com | #ubuntu-on-air
[15:57] <mixailflash> I am here.
[15:57] <AkivaAvraham> mixailflash, o/
[15:57] <AkivaAvraham> in an hour though; first the session
[15:57] <mixailflash> ok
[16:04] <mixailflash> hi
[16:16] <AkivaAvraham> mixailflash, hello
[16:16] <mixailflash> hello
[16:17] <AkivaAvraham> mixailflash, after the video :)
[16:17] <mixailflash> can you give me some links for tutorials, like create application for desktop step by step?
[16:19] <AkivaAvraham> mixailflash, I will but I need to iron some things out; A desktop app... may not be what you think it is.
[16:20] <mixailflash> AkivaAvraham I mean desktop gui applications
[16:21] <AkivaAvraham> mixailflash, I know; but there is two types
[16:22] <mixailflash> ok, but somebody create applications, for 386 and 64. and it work. If I right understand you,
[16:26] <mixailflash> AkivaAvraham ok, but somebody create applications, for 386 and 64. and it work. If I right understand you
[16:27] <AkivaAvraham> mixailflash, no not that.
[16:27] <AkivaAvraham> mixailflash, Basically its pure qt vs qml/qt
[16:27] <AkivaAvraham> pure qt won't converge.
[16:27] <mixailflash> AkivaAvraham ok, but wath about links?
[16:27] <AkivaAvraham> mixailflash, in 30 minutes; i'm watching ubuntu-on-air
[16:28] <AkivaAvraham> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY5InoyLeao#t=477
[16:28] <mixailflash> AkivaAvraham ok
[16:29] <mixailflash> AkivaAvraham I have to go. But after one hour I am back, ok. If you want I can leave my email.
[16:30] <AkivaAvraham> mixailflash, come back to this irc channel
[16:30] <AkivaAvraham> and when you see me on; just ping me
[16:30] <AkivaAvraham> mixailflash, short answer though; http://www.reddit.com/r/ubuntuappdev may be a good start
[16:31] <mixailflash> thanks
[16:31] <mixailflash> AkivaAvraham thanks
[16:31] <AkivaAvraham> np
[17:05] <maqbool> hello
[17:05] <balloons> popey, mhall119 when you play machine vs machines does your device turn off while playing?
[17:08] <popey> yes
[17:08] <popey> balloons: https://bugs.launchpad.net/machines-vs-machines :)
[17:09] <maqbool> where to get code samples i am new to the community how do i get started?
[17:09] <balloons> popey, I don't see it in there.. I was going to file it assuming I'm not alone
[17:09] <AkivaAvraham> maqbool, ah hey
[17:09] <AkivaAvraham> maqbool, what kind of development do you want to do?
[17:10] <maqbool> Ubuntu phone dev
[17:10] <AkivaAvraham> maqbool, do you want to build your own app, contribute to ubuntu (A good idea), or some more internal complicated stuff?
[17:10] <maqbool> i want build my own app
[17:10] <AkivaAvraham> maqbool, if you contribute to the ubuntu core apps; you will learn a lot on proper coding practices for QML
[17:11] <AkivaAvraham> maqbool, okay cool. What version of ubuntu do you have?
[17:11] <maqbool> 14.04
[17:11] <AkivaAvraham> okay doke. one sec
[17:11] <AkivaAvraham> maqbool, do you know any programming languages?
[17:11] <AkivaAvraham> or are you starting somewhat fresh?
[17:11] <maqbool> javascript and python
[17:12] <maqbool> kind of fresh
[17:12] <maqbool> i am student
[17:12] <AkivaAvraham> maqbool, okay cool. Well first you want the updated version of the SDK. You can find it here: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-sdk/installing-the-sdk/
[17:12] <AkivaAvraham> Alternatively you could install 14.10 or 15.04
[17:12] <AkivaAvraham> erm
[17:13] <AkivaAvraham> popey, are you using 15.04?
[17:13] <popey> on my desktop, no, on 14.10 right now
[17:13] <popey> will go to 15.04 at some point
[17:13] <AkivaAvraham> popey, okay thanks.
[17:14] <AkivaAvraham> maqbool, yah 14.10 then. Although 14.04 should work fine.
[17:14] <maqbool> 14.04 pretty unstable on my machine
[17:14] <AkivaAvraham> maqbool, it is ubuntu, right?
[17:15] <AkivaAvraham> not kubuntu, or xubuntu
[17:15] <AkivaAvraham> or lubuntu
[17:15] <maqbool> yep
[17:15] <AkivaAvraham> okay
[17:15] <AkivaAvraham> Well you can choose to upgrade or stay.
[17:15] <AkivaAvraham> 14.10 works good for me.
[17:15] <AkivaAvraham> maqbool, because you know javascript, you will feel right at home with qml. Very similar.
[17:16] <AkivaAvraham> maqbool, are you planning to learn c++?
[17:16] <maqbool> i am learning right now in school
[17:16] <AkivaAvraham> maqbool, c++?
[17:16] <maqbool> c++ yep
[17:16] <AkivaAvraham> okay well I was going to suggest a manual that teaches you c++ with Qt in mind. Interested?
[17:17] <maqbool> alright
[17:17] <AkivaAvraham> maqbool, and you might as well switch to ubuntu sdk as your c++ development environment. I assume they have you using eclipse or something.
[17:18] <AkivaAvraham> maqbool, here: http://www.reddit.com/r/UbuntuAppDev/comments/2qy5ko/guide_for_new_ubuntu_developers/ link at the bottom.
[17:18] <maqbool> codeblocks
[17:18] <AkivaAvraham> maqbool, ah yah definitely switch then :)
[17:22] <AkivaAvraham> maqbool, okay i'm going to head off; any other questions?
[17:34] <AkivaAvraham> bzoltan, zbenjamin http://i.imgur.com/6eJt30x.png :) I'm getting closer. I just need to add a widget in the run config now with a list of tests.
[17:39] <timp> kalikiana: I assume the motivation for adding the tag() function is correct, but I'm still trying to understand it better
[17:39] <timp> kalikiana: in https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/music-app/infographics-translations/+merge/248251 why not use the string i18n.tr("Songs played today: ") + "%1"
[17:40] <timp> ahayzen, pete-woods: ^
[17:40] <ahayzen> timp, RTL and LTR languages
[17:40] <timp> ah. good point :)
[17:41] <timp> ahayzen: and with an i18n.tag() function all the problems are solved?
[17:41] <timp> ahayzen: tag() is the name proposed for noop()
[17:42] <ahayzen> timp, apparently :) ... assuming the singular debate is a separate debate/issue ;)
[17:43] <timp> ahayzen: I'm just reading all the comments now. It appears that dpm disapproved a similar change before
[17:43] <ahayzen> yup
[17:44] <dpm> timp, kalikiana, as per the bug, could we call the function i18n.noop() instead of i18n.tag()?
[17:45] <kalikiana> timp: never ever do string manipulation in context of localization, this is unrelated to tag, tr or plurals
[17:45] <kalikiana> dpm: we could. though it looks like everyone prefers tag
[17:45] <dpm> kalikiana, I didn't see any discussion
[17:45] <timp> dpm: why? when we discussed the API for i18n (see https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1qDcfbu9aAj7uU9qzjXCOJn8zGexBnXwZCgO8pLDsO5M/edit# ) we decided not to stick with the gettext function names
[17:46] <timp> dpm: see the "Votes" at the top.. because we couldn't get everyone to agree in the end we just voted
[17:46] <timp> dpm: it was i18n.tr() vs i18n.gettext() and we ended up using tr()
[17:46] <kalikiana> dpm: tag was originally proposed and including me and pete 3 people consider it more intuitive than noop - noop isn't even used in C
[17:46] <dpm> timp, that was many months ago, I'm talking about .tag
[17:47] <kalikiana> dpm: that's what I mean by "everyone prefers"
[17:47] <kalikiana> where that means, everyone who is involved
[17:47] <dpm> nevermind, I don't feel strongly enough to argue on that one
[17:47] <timp> dpm: yes, I know. Just saying that back then we kind of decided that we don't have to stick with the gettext naming that people know if we can come up with a clearer or more convenient function name
[17:51] <dpm> timp, as per the question:  i18n.tr("Songs played today: ") + "%1" would for example break for RTL languages
[17:59] <timp> why would i18n.dtr("metric", "Songs played today: %1") instead of i18n.tag("Songs played today: %1") not work?
[17:59] <timp> dpm, ahayzen, kalikiana: ^
[18:01] <popey> Elleo: i listened to podcasts in your app all the way back from fosdem on the eurostar, thank you for making it. It's very stable.
[18:02] <kalikiana> timp: because the string is displayed in the lockscreen and the language can be changed when the app isn't running
[18:04] <timp> kalikiana: ah, so the string does not even exist in the list of translateable strings for the metrics?
[18:07] <Elleo> popey: cool, glad you found it handy :)
[18:13] <kalikiana> timp: the string is in the app's .mo files, and the domain is set in the metrics API
[18:13] <kalikiana> timp: merged ctag into tag https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/i18nctag/+merge/248260
[18:14] <timp> kalikiana: so the metrics somewhere call i18n.dtr("music-app", "Songs played today: %1")?
[18:15] <kalikiana> timp: yes
[18:17] <sverzegnassi> I'd need some help with setting "read_path" in docviewer-app, which should be authorized to read file stored in "@{HOME}/Documents". However I don't know how to convince ContentHub to read files from user's folder.
[18:25] <timp> kalikiana: I have a lot of questions for this MR ;)
[18:26] <timp> kalikiana: here is the next one https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/i18nctag/+merge/248260
[18:27] <kalikiana> timp: true. they need to be added as needed like any other function
[18:27] <kalikiana> timp: I have wondered at one point why we don't have a re-usable script for this because for apps it's kinda stupid
[18:28] <kalikiana> in the uitk we have even 3 separate places where that may be considered
[18:28] <timp> kalikiana: so each app duplicates our update-pot.sh ?
[18:28] <timp> ahayzen: how do you generate the .pot files for apps?
[18:28] <kalikiana> timp: either that or they make up their own or they hope QtC performs some magic
[18:29] <kalikiana> need to run, will be back later
[18:30] <dpm> timp, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~music-app-dev/music-app/remix/view/head:/README.translations and http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~music-app-dev/music-app/remix/view/head:/po/CMakeLists.txt
[18:30] <ahayzen> timp, its in the readme.translations
[18:33] <timp> dpm, ahayzen that explains what launchpad does with the pot files, but not how the pot files are generated
[18:34] <ahayzen> timp, i just do the click-buddy thing and then cp the generated .pot over :)
[18:34] <timp> ahayzen: ah I see in your po/CMakeLists you use xgettext
[18:35] <timp> it has this line,         --keyword=tr --keyword=tr:1,2 --keyword=N_
[18:35] <ahayzen> yup
[18:35] <timp> ahayzen: so I think you will need to add i18n.tag there as well
[18:35] <ahayzen> timp, is that not what the mp did?
[18:36] <dpm> timp, it's explained both in the readme and you can see it in the cmake rules
[18:36] <timp> ahayzen: yes, true. I was only looking at the UITK MR now
[18:36] <timp> dpm: okay, thanks. It is clear now
[18:36] <dpm> timp, pete-woods already sent a MP for music-app to add .tag
[18:36] <ahayzen> timp, https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/music-app/infographics-translations/+merge/248251 ... L23 in the diff
[18:36] <dpm> that one :)
[18:37] <timp> ok, clear.
[18:37] <timp> ahayzen: didn't everybody vote to use tag() not noop()? ;)
[18:37] <ahayzen> the mp hasn't been updated
[18:37] <timp> ok
[18:37] <ahayzen> it is pending on the sdk work
[18:39] <timp> kalikiana: do you want to update update-pot.sh? Or we leave it like this since we are not using tag() anyway?
[18:48] <timp> kalikiana: so we do have that script. I think it is best to update it with tag() in case apps copy it from us.
[18:49]  * timp bbl
[19:19] <josharenson> Did something recently change WRT location and permissions? I have a simple app that uses a PositionSource, and it used to work fine (still works on desktop), but it recently returns no coordinates. I have "location" in my app armor.
[19:41] <sverzegnassi> popey: document history -> https://imgur.com/lsYzc3D,6OlTRkL
[19:41] <popey> sverzegnassi: oh man, that is so awesome!
[19:41] <popey> rickspencer3: check that out ^^ :D
[19:42]  * rickspencer3 looks
[19:42] <rickspencer3> nice!
[19:42] <popey> this is gonna make the doc viewer so much more appealing
[19:44] <sverzegnassi> I'd like to merge it for tomorrow. Still need to finish some work on ResponsiveGridView and SortFilterModel (for some reason, it's not sorting)
[19:44] <popey> oh, someone else had problems with lists not sorting correctly
[19:45] <popey> sverzegnassi: if you ask rpadovani for a review, and he has time, I'm sure he'd love to take a look.
[19:45] <popey> (he told me he likes your code, it's easy to read)
[19:49] <sverzegnassi> He already knows that, if he wants, there's always a new MP waiting for him :P
[19:50] <sverzegnassi> About SortFilterModel, I had the same problem in quick-memo because of U1DB but this time I'm using a standard QML ListModel
[19:54] <rpadovani> popey, sverzegnassi just finished dinner, I'm on the zoom branch already :_)
[19:54] <rpadovani> :-)
[19:58] <popey> \o/
[21:55] <rickspencer3> does anyone know if there are helper functions for writing AP tests for OptionSelector?
[22:25] <rpadovani> rickspencer3, I think you maybe could start from here - not the same thing, but better than nothing :-)
[22:25] <rpadovani> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/address-book-app/trunk/view/head:/tests/autopilot/address_book_app/pages/_contact_editor.py#L63
[22:25] <rickspencer3> hi rpadovani
[22:26] <rickspencer3> I kinda faked it by clicking on the selector, finding the item and clicking on the item, then sleeping a bit
[22:26] <rickspencer3> worked ok
[22:26] <rpadovani> rickspencer3, did you consider the case where the value you want isn't in the view after the option selector has been expanded? :-)
[22:27] <rickspencer3> rpadovani, no
[22:27] <rickspencer3> I just chose something near the top :)
[22:34] <rpadovani> rickspencer3, atm I don't find the documentation, but there is an helper named 'swipe_into_view()' to have it in view, so you could select the element, and then do element.swipe_into_view().. Just for your information :-)
[22:34] <rickspencer3> oh cool
[22:34] <rickspencer3> rpadovani, that sounds perfect, hopefully I'll be able to find out later
[22:34] <rickspencer3> I am finding it very strange to be developing with Autopilot
[22:35] <rpadovani> rickspencer3, it works for every element in a flickable, so I suppose works also for option selector
[22:35] <rickspencer3> I write a few lines of qml, then a few lines of test code
[22:35] <rpadovani> well, tbh I think it's very useful, but I don't like to write tests. Luckly, there is the QA team :D
[22:36] <rickspencer3> I already wrapped my u1db in unit tests, so now it's just autopilot
[22:36] <rpadovani> great!
[22:36] <rickspencer3> rpadovani, I think all developers should develop tests along with their code
[22:37] <rickspencer3> no t hat we have such a developed CI system for Ubuntu, the tests are a critical consumer to keep us moving forward quickly without regressions
[22:37] <rickspencer3> also, if you have tests, then if someone underneath breaks you, the tests catch it, and it's their problem, not yours ;)
[22:37] <rickspencer3> in the end, I actually don't think it's more work
[22:38] <rickspencer3> I think that ultimately, if you have a good test suite, you can go faster

[22:39] <rpadovani> I completely agree with you, just, I don't like to write them. But since they are necessary, I just do them :-)
[22:49] <rickspencer3> hehe
[22:55] <rpadovani> rickspencer3, will you be in London for the launch event?
[22:55] <rickspencer3> rpadovani, planning on it!
[22:55] <rpadovani> \o/
[23:34] <sverzegnassi> now i am happy! \o/ https://imgur.com/mJQtDtO
[23:48] <popey> oh man sverzegnassi !
[23:57] <balloons> sverzegnassi, excellent!
[23:59] <sverzegnassi> ty! just a quick check about performance, and document history is ready to land (as soon as the poppler plugin MP is merged) :D


[14:05] <FatSpitfire> hi guys :)
[14:05] <FatSpitfire> I need to take over a channel , I want to make a LoCo team for my country
[14:30] <Pici> FatSpitfire: Which channel?
[14:45] <FatSpitfire> Pici , #ubuntu-bg
[14:51] <Pici> hggdh, elky, Tm_T, Unit193, Flannel ^
[15:26] <Fuchs> mh
[15:26] <dax> hm
[15:26] <Fuchs> oh, you are awake as well
[15:27] <Fuchs> then you can do it once IRCC wakes up  *goes back to sleep*
[15:27] <dax> isn't it dinner time over there
[15:27] <dax> but yeah, i'll be around
[15:27] <Fuchs> I am at work, thus -> sleep
[16:20] <FatSpitfire> so ?
[16:21] <Fuchs> FatSpitfire: you have to wait for someone from the IRCC to wake up
[16:47] <FatSpitfire> Fuchs , ok :) will do
[16:55] <dax> (worst case scenario, I will be able to physically poke one of them in about an hour)
[16:56] <PaulW2U> wu54ozl
[16:56] <PaulW2U> oops  :)
[17:37] <FatSpitfire> dax . :P
[18:32] <elky> FatSpitfire: the person listed on launchpad as the admin of the ubuntu-bg team made translation edits as recently as march, so i would feel terrible giving you the channel if they're somehow around (but not on irc) and you duplicate efforts. Could you please talk to the loco council about confirming that there is no existing team first? https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-lococouncil (there's a contact button
[18:32] <elky> on the right)
[18:33] <dax> LoCo council is also on IRC in #ubuntu-locoteams
[18:34] <dax> idk who's on it these days so idk which would be more effective
[18:35] <elky> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bg has current members of the -bg team, and you'll probably want to retrieve that launchpad team (but we can't help with that and launchpad will probably want the loco council's decision too)
[19:26] <sgclark> Hi.. dumb question. How do I invite someone to a private channel?
[19:27] <Fuchs> sgclark: op up  (/msg chanserv help op) and then   /invite user #channel
[19:27] <Fuchs> (opping up is not mandatory if the channel is a free to invite target, which hopefully it isn't)
[19:27] <sgclark> thx
[19:27] <Fuchs> sgclark: note that this is lost on a reconnect, so if it should stay in place, you rather want to set an Invex  (also op up,  /mode channel +I $a:UserHere)
[19:28] <Fuchs> also also note that in this case the user should use SASL, else autojoin will fail
[19:28] <Fuchs> (this IRC stuff is complicated, we should all move to Telegram)
[19:29] <dax> delete services, problem solved
[19:30] <sgclark> lol
[19:30] <Fuchs> and hai Scarlett :)
[19:30] <Fuchs> (we know each other from Randa!)
[19:31] <mhall119> hggdh: I appear to have lost ops status on #ubuntu-communitycouncil and can't invite myself back in
[19:31] <Fuchs> mhall119: chances are that someone just asked for you  (or that is a huge coincidence)
[19:32] <Fuchs> mhall119: short variant is: someone should set up an Invex for you instead
[19:32] <sgclark> yeah and apparently I can't seem to get it sorted :(
[19:32] <sgclark> I tried to op up and failed.
[19:32] <Fuchs> sgclark: you don't have the needed access rights in there
[19:32] <Fuchs> err
[19:32] <sgclark> ok
[19:32] <Fuchs> mhall119, on the other hand, has +o
[19:32] <Fuchs> he should just identify, as he just did
[19:32] <Fuchs> mhall119: consider setting up SASL :)
[19:33] <sgclark> something went terribly wrong on that big net split
[19:33] <mhall119> yeah, sorry guys, I thought I had identified with nickserv, but I must have mis-typed my password
[19:33] <sgclark> ah ha!
[19:33] <sgclark> ok thanks all
[19:33] <mhall119> my fault for assuming I knew what I was doing :)
[19:37] <Fuchs> mhall119: no worries :)
[19:37] <Fuchs> mhall119: as said, I'd recommend you set up SASL
[19:37] <Fuchs> and maybe a certificate fingerprint as well, that should re-auth you etc.
[19:38] <Fuchs> and all y'all be welcome etc.
[19:38] <mhall119> Fuchs: yeah, I'll have to learn how to do all that
[19:39] <Fuchs> it is optional, just recommended
[19:39] <Fuchs> for SASL have a look at http://freenode.net/kb/answer/sasl
[19:39] <Fuchs> for the certificate: our web folks are currently at work to put my little manual for it online, should be also on the website in a bit
[19:39] <mhall119> thanks Fuchs
[19:39] <Fuchs> you're welcome :)


[12:44] <penguin42> things do get confusing when you find youself with two bills, one for £13.08 and another for £13.80
[12:45] <zxmpi> pay 13.88 to drive them nuts :-P
[12:47] <penguin42> haha
[19:26] <daftykins> an accountant friend on my pool team was telling us about how the local gov was taking her to task over a 90p outstanding tax bill xD
[19:34] <davef> Typical government. If you owe $1 they want it yesterday. They owe you $1, you'll get a cheque in the mail within 12-14 weeks, oh and we're not going to pay you interest on that either.
[19:35] <daftykins> too true
[19:49] <zxmpi> be fair, they're running a nationwide database on excel 4.0 :-)
[19:50] <zxmpi> next year they're to get a computer with a maths coprocessor
[19:51] <daftykins> whoa steady on, we don't want our taxes going up
[19:54] <zxmpi> well they were going up anyway, this way they can replace the last 386 in the office with shiny 486s


[12:42] <jbailey> \sh: Right, fortran 90 is.
[12:42] <jbailey> It will eventually be fully backward compatible to f77 but isn't now.
[01:55] <fabbione> doko: did you finish to upload gcc????
[01:55] <fabbione> it's the 3rd time i get to the test suite and i need to restart it :)
[01:55] <doko> heh, didn't see the ppc build fail ...
[01:56] <doko> should be the last one before 4.0.1
[01:56] <fabbione> ok
[01:57] <doko> 3.4 will need another upload not to build lib32*, which are now built by 4.0
[01:57] <fabbione> ok
[01:59] <fabbione> elmo: ping?
[02:00] <elmo> fabbione: ?
[02:00] <fabbione> hey dude!
[02:00] <fabbione> did you get my sms yesterday?
[02:00] <elmo> yes, thanks
[02:00] <fabbione> :)
[02:00] <fabbione> nice
[02:01] <doko> elmo: you're currently working?
[02:01] <fabbione> elmo: if you have time, can you do me a little favour? i would love to get breezy chroot on davis updated so that i can build ppc64 kernels on monday
[02:02] <fabbione> elmo: and i need you to apply a little patch to kernel-package that is a fix i need to test
[02:02] <elmo> breezy or breezy-ppc64?
[02:02] <elmo> doko: kind of
[02:02] <fabbione> elmo: if you upgrade breezy, you can trash breezy-ppc64 since they are the same
[02:02] <fabbione> or they will be the same
[02:02] <doko> infinity mentioned that binary packages are built, but don't enter the archive
[02:02] <infinity> doko : They were in queue/NEW, which elmo processed.
[02:03] <doko> ohh, nice
[02:03] <fabbione> elmo: and once you are done with the upgrade of breezy, can you please apply http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/kpkg-rules.diff to /usr/share/kernel-package/rules ?
[02:03] <fabbione> elmo: so that i can test that fix
[02:07] <elmo> meh, xbase-clients failure
[02:08] <elmo> annyway, updated, patch applied
[02:08] <fabbione> elmo: thanks a lot
[02:08] <fabbione> monday you will get some ppc64 kernels to play with :)
[02:09] <daniels> elmo: edit xbase-clients.postinst, change /usr/X11R6/bin/xkbcomp to /usr/bin/xkbcomp
[02:10] <elmo> fabbione: ok, that's good timing, I'll be back @ the DC
[02:10] <fabbione> elmo: rocking :)
[02:10] <elmo> daniels: thanks
[02:12] <doko> daniels: when do you upload a new X with the xbase-clients fix. currently all KDE doesn't build
[02:12] <daniels> elmo: no worries
[02:12] <daniels> doko: i don't know.  soon.
[02:12] <infinity> doko : Some might see that as a feature.
[02:14] <doko> daniels: that looks like not soon enough. It's an easy fix, please don't burden other people ...
[02:15] <daniels> doko: shit dude, if you want to upload it, then you can upload it
[02:15] <doko> daniels: thanks, will do.
[02:15] <daniels> for the meantime, I'll just keep working along my own timescale and keep trying not to break stuff.  it's also a sunday night where I am, and I have a bajillion other things to do, like fill out about ten application forms for houses.
[02:17] <doko> daniels: that might all be true, and I can understand it. but the upload was on Wednesday.
[02:17] <daniels> doko: and?
[02:19] <infinity> daniels : It's Saturday night.
[02:20] <daniels> infinity: jesus, it is too
[02:20] <infinity> There, you just won a whole day. :)
[02:22] <doko> daniels: I don't care about your timescale as long as my timescale is untouched by it. it does cost you maybe 30minutes to fix, but it's delaying builds/updates/whatever for everybody else.
[02:24] <daniels> doko: it costs me a crapload more than 30 minutes to fix, and I don't want to upload xorg as long as the upgrade path is still broken.  which it is.
[02:25] <daniels> so you can fix your timescale if you want, but I don't see the point when xorg will still end up reasonably broken.
[02:27] <doko> daniels: does the xbase-clients.postinst fix make things worse than they currently are in the archives?
[02:27] <daniels> no
[02:28] <daniels> for most people with problems outside of not being able to compile kde (because kdelibs4 has crap dependencies), it also doesn't make things any better
[02:28] <doko> ok, I'll prepare an upload and send you the diff before upload
[02:28] <daniels> if the diff is just that change to shell-lib.sh, go ahead and upload it directly
[02:29] <doko> ok
[02:33] <\sh> when do we get f77 into the gcc4 toolset? ;)
[02:34] <doko> \sh, never
[02:35] <\sh> doko: ok..can u take a look over fftw3? it needs f77
[02:35] <\sh> thats on reason i got build errors on gnuradio
[02:36] <\sh> one
[02:37] <doko> build depend on g77, where's the problem?
[02:37] <\sh> sorry..g77 ..
[02:38] <\sh> g77-4?
[02:38] <doko> g77
[02:41] <infinity> \sh : g77 is still a valid binary package, it just doesn't come from gcc-4.0
[02:41] <\sh> infinity: so I should build all packages against gcc-3.4 again? so that I get rid of the build errors
[02:41] <\sh> ?
[02:42] <\sh> doko: btw...libboost didn't recognized gcc4 as correct compiler...i fixed this issue
[02:42] <doko> \sh: which build errors do you see?
[02:42] <doko> \sh, seen that, thanks!
[02:43] <\sh> doko: i will give u the build errors in one hour..i have to get rid of some other problems...then I will concentrate on gnuradio again
[02:44] <\sh> bbl
[02:45] <infinity> Off to get a bucket of soapy water?
[02:49] <infinity> doko : libgnomecanvasmm2.0 is broken.
[02:50] <doko> gconfmm2.0 as well
[02:50] <infinity> Erm.
[02:50] <infinity> It is?
[02:50] <infinity> Oh, it is.  But only half broken.
[02:51] <infinity> Or, only broken on 64bit arches, anyway.
[02:51] <infinity> libgnomecanvasmm2.0 is just completely broken. :)
[02:53] <infinity> And bakery is still waiting on libglademm2.0..
[02:53] <infinity> Which I need to give back.  Yay.
[02:58] <infinity> There.  That should keep you busy a bit longer.
[03:07] <infinity> doko : And, since I know you care deeply about all these GNOME libs, libglademm2.0 just failed in really special ways too (the build logs should be synced over soon)
[03:08] <doko> I LOVE these packages ...
[03:09] <infinity> I knew it.
[03:09] <infinity> I love taking a weekend off, so I can only be moderately helpful instead of very helpful.
[03:09] <infinity> In other words, I'll happily wrangle wanna-build for you, but I won't touch any packages until Monday. :)
[03:10] <infinity> Ahh, there's your new failure logs for libglademm2.0 now.
[03:20] <fabbione> well guys.. congratulation... gcc-3.4 -m64 on ppc seems to work :)
[03:20] <fabbione>   gcc-3.4 -m64 -Wp,-MD,drivers/base/power/.suspend.o.d  -nostdinc -isystem /usr/lib/gcc/powerpc-linux/3.4.5/include -D__KERNEL__ -Iinclude  -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -ffreestanding -O2     -fomit-frame-pointer -msoft-float -pipe -mminimal-toc -mtraceback=none -mcall-aixdesc -mtune=power4 -funit-at-a-time -Wdeclaration-after-statement     -DKBUILD_BASENAME=suspend -DKBUILD_MODNAME
[04:22] <doko> elmo: please could you promote lib32z1{,-dev} to main, build dependency for gcc-4.0 now
[05:24] <\sh> doko: ping
[05:26] <\sh> g++ -g -O2 -Wall -Woverloaded-virtual -o .libs/benchmark_dotprod benchmark_dotprod.o  -pthread ../../src/lib/.libs/libgnuradio-core.so -lrt /usr/lib/libcppunit.so -ldl /usr/lib/libfftw3f.so
[05:26] <\sh> ../../src/lib/.libs/libgnuradio-core.so: undefined reference to `gr_fxpt::TWO_TO_THE_31'
[05:26] <\sh> ../../src/lib/.libs/libgnuradio-core.so: undefined reference to `gr_fxpt::PI'
[05:28] <daniels> TWO_TO_THE_31?
[05:28] <daniels> that's, um, scary.
[05:35] <\sh> and upstream has no clue as well
[11:13] <lamont> that sounds like a missing #define somewhere
[11:16] <\sh> what?


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[04:41] <arunkumar413> how to install mir desktop
[04:50] <arunkumar413> getting this error while installaing the mir desktop : http://pastebin.com/tVsEfvNU
[04:50] <wilee-nilee> the start of mir is there already
[04:50] <wilee-nilee> !mir
[04:54] <wilee-nilee> arunkumar413, run this command in the terminal and pastebin all the text  grep -vr "^#" /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/}
[04:56] <arunkumar413> wilee-nilee: http://pastebin.com/qjxfdgqC
[05:00] <arunkumar413> wilee-nilee: r u there
[05:01] <wilee-nilee> arunkumar413, You added to much to that sources.list.d it should just be deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/mir-team/system-compositor-testing/ubuntu saucy main
[05:01] <wilee-nilee> Heh gotta give the helper more than a minute and 1/2 to respond
[05:02] <wilee-nilee> You can just gksudo nautilus and navigate to that sources.list.d file and edit it and then run a update then try again.
[05:02] <wilee-nilee> gotta go start a wash be back in 10
[05:06] <arunkumar413> wilee-nilee: this is the content of the sources.list file: http://pastebin.com/3GvayRc4
[05:18] <wilee-nilee> arunkumar413, In /etc/apt is a folder called sources.list.d that is where the mir text file is. notice in that command you ran first this. 19./etc/apt/sources.list.d
[05:18] <wilee-nilee> you just posted the regular sources.list there two types, additional repos are added to this other one
[05:22] <arunkumar413> wilee-nilee: updating
[05:23] <wilee-nilee> arunkumar413, I would also in the sources.list open the deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu saucy partner repo by removing the # it has the restricted extras and other good things there.
[05:24] <wilee-nilee> Cool, the sources an be a bit confusing till you know. ;)
[05:24] <arunkumar413> getting this error: sudo apt-get install mir-demos unity-system-compositor Reading package lists... Done E: Invalid record in the preferences file /etc/apt/preferences.d/50-pin-mir.pref, no Package header
[05:25] <wilee-nilee> arunkumar413, Can you paste bin what is in that text file in the sources.list.d folder and the commands leading to the error and all the text, in a pastebin.
[05:27] <wilee-nilee> arunkumar413, Did you run a update after the edit of that text?
[05:27] <arunkumar413> wilee-nilee: yes
[05:28] <wilee-nilee> arunkumar413, I see no packages yet in that ppa, not sure you should be trying this anyway to be honest the mir thning is not even done.
[05:29] <wilee-nilee> supposed to be in 14.04 as of now it is partially in 13.10, but not a done deal.
[05:40] <arunkumar413> wilee-nilee: i think it's installling now.
[05:41] <wilee-nilee> cool, strange that they do not list the packages is all
[05:42] <wilee-nilee> might be in another linked ppa, just a guess
[05:47] <arunkumar413> wilee-nilee: done, with installing. how to be sure that it's installed correclty and launch mir
[05:51] <wilee-nilee> arunkumar413, No idea, there is a wiki on it in the PPA, I assume that is where you started from.
[09:08] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[09:09] <ikonia> hello
[09:15] <BluesKaj> hi ikonia ...insomnia here
[11:47] <streulma> hello, is the daily of 31 Aug 2013 based on XMir ? I tried in Virtualbox and found X Server running
[11:56] <Daekdroom> streulma, Mir/XMir doesn't run by default in every hardware/driver combination (and VM is definitely one that it won't run under)
[11:58] <streulma> ok Daekdroom, I want to try Ubuntu 13.10 on my Macbook Pro Retina natively, with X Server the fonts are scaled and not good. I don't know how it is with Mir/XMir
[11:59] <ikonia> streulma: it's no different
[12:00] <ikonia> (or would be no different at this time)
[12:19] <Daekdroom> We're 2 days past the feature freeze. I don't think it'll change until the release.
[12:19] <Daekdroom> (meh, I just realized we got past the feature freeze and I have yet to test the development version)
[12:25] <penguin42> streulma: There are quite a lot of font settings
[12:27] <streulma> penguin42: oh yes ?
[12:29] <penguin42> streulma: I'd first check in the display settings that the resolution it's got is the full retina res
[12:29] <penguin42> hmm - the font settings gui seems to have gone :-(
[12:32] <Daekdroom> Possibly has been for quite awhile. I don't remember it being in 13.04 either.
[12:36] <penguin42> streulma: If you install 'unity-tweak-tool' ther eis a fonts tab on it that can change the font scaling factors, antialiasing, hinting and fonts - be careful you can probably make it much worse as well as better!
[12:45] <BluesKaj> Hi all again
[15:20] <PatrickDickey> Probably a silly question, but how stable is the Alpha 2 release? I mean, is it pretty close to beta quality, or still pretty much dogfood?
[15:51] <ikonia> PatrickDickey: hit and miss, until release, you've got to keep the intention of "may break"
[15:59] <PatrickDickey> ikonia: So, next week (according to the release schedule) is when Beta1 will be released?
[16:00] <ikonia> according to the schedule, yes
[16:01] <PatrickDickey> Thanks. I think I'll take the chance and install it. It's on my laptop, so I really won't be out much if it fails.
[16:03] <ikonia> that's the right attitude
[16:04] <PatrickDickey> Off hand, do you know if they made any changes to Rhythmbox and how it's handled?
[16:05] <ikonia> not that I'm aware of
[16:29] <jarope_> hi running saucy but have a graphics issue
[16:29] <jarope_> after running nvidia-settings I thinkit messed up my xorg?
[16:30] <jarope_> i am on a laptop with optimus and overall it has been excellent on 13.10
[16:31] <jarope_> basically I had the low graphics mode box coming up and nothing would work from that point.  I booted to root and reinstalled the nvidia common and now can login - BUT i just get a black screen.  I can bring up a terminal and run apps from there.  Hence beiong in xchat now
[16:32] <jarope_> however the apps have no system borders or controls and I cannot tab between them.
[16:33] <jarope_> is this xorg OR nvidia please? how can I reset to basic xorg conf as the xorg.conf file doesnt seem to be in the X11 file?
[16:35] <jarope_> right tried an xorg reinstall
[16:44] <jarope_> hi back a reinstall of xorg did not help
[16:44] <jarope_> infact i can no longer login as myself
[16:55] <penguin42> jarope_: ok, go back a step
[16:55] <penguin42> jarope_: What did you install in what order, and what have you had working?
[17:08] <jarope_> hi penguin42
[17:09] <jarope_> ok I have had everything working fantastic for weeks
[17:09] <jarope_> THEN
[17:09] <jarope_> I tried the nvidia-settings to see if any updates had moved the multi monitor situation forward
[17:10] <jarope_> so nothing changed until I rebooted and was greeted with the "low graphic" mode bix
[17:10] <jarope_> which wouldnt let me change the configs etc just see the log, which I couldnt see any obvious problems in
[17:10] <penguin42> ok, so you're betting it's some nvidia setting that's unhappy
[17:11] <jarope_> yep
[17:11]  * penguin42 hasn't run the closed nvidia drivers for  a while
[17:11] <jarope_> now in the past I know you could go and remove the xorg.conf file and everything would sort itself out
[17:11] <jarope_> but xorg.conf isnt in X11
[17:12] <jarope_> there is .backup and .failsafe
[17:12] <penguin42> jarope_: Right so a normal Ubuntu install doesn't have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[17:12] <jarope_> and as 13.10 is MIR
[17:12] <penguin42> jarope_: X configs tend to go into /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d
[17:12] <jarope_> ok
[17:12] <penguin42> hmm, I don't know anything about Mir
[17:13] <jarope_> me neither and dont think it has anything to do with this
[17:13] <ali1234> it doesn't
[17:13] <jarope_> thanks for confirm ali1234
[17:13] <ali1234> nvidia stopped using xorg.conf a few versions ago
[17:13] <ali1234> i don't know how you reset the config on new versions
[17:13] <ali1234> probably by uninstalling the driver with jockey
[17:13] <jarope_> well i tried a reinstall
[17:14] <jarope_> apt-get install --reinstall
[17:14] <jarope_> would there be anything in my home area that could be being called? .nvidia-?
[17:15] <jarope_> or in .conf
[17:15] <ali1234> no
[17:15] <jarope_> ok
[17:15] <jarope_> so jockey would be a good place to start
[17:16] <ali1234> nvidia-settings saves settings in ~/.nvidia-settings
[17:16] <jarope_> will try that if there are no other suggestions.  Last time I had this I did a reinstall but have set up so much now I am loathed to do that again.  I appreciate that it is dev so I am not complaining
[17:16] <ali1234> but that can't affect the login screen
[17:17] <jarope_> well I get the login screen now but after that nothing
[17:17] <jarope_> ctl+alt+t works to bring up terminal
[17:17] <penguin42> jarope_: What happens if you make yourself a new user or login as guest?
[17:17] <jarope_> I am logged in as guest now
[17:17] <jarope_> blank screen no unity
[17:17] <jarope_> no system borders on aps
[17:18] <penguin42> ok, so it's not just specific to one user
[17:18] <jarope_> and they are all stacked one on top of the other so to open anything else I have to open new terminal . penguin42 no affecting all to different extents
[17:19] <jarope_> for me no login just jumps out and back to login screen
[17:20] <penguin42> yeh so I'd agree at trying to use jockey to remove the nvidia stuff and see what state you get to and then add it back
[17:23] <jarope_> ok there was no jockey
[17:23] <penguin42> no jockey-cli ?
[17:23] <jarope_> gtk-jockey
[17:23] <jarope_> oo didnt try jockey-cli
[17:23] <jarope_> ok will be back
[17:24] <bazhang> !find jockey
[17:25] <jarope_> i'm putting gtk in wrong place
[17:25] <jarope_> DOH
[17:26] <jarope_> nope not there
[17:27] <jarope_> anyway removed a nvidia file from my home area so gonna try login to that
[17:27] <jarope_> thanks for help guys
[21:04] <koko0> hi, ive upgraded to 13.10 and now cant switch keyboard layout with Alt + shift
[21:05] <koko0> if i assign other weird shortcuts it works
[21:05] <koko0> anyone can help me figure out why?
[21:06] <Fyodorovna> Koko0, make another user and see if it happens there.
[21:06] <koko0> ok...
[21:06] <koko0> btw new users leave garbage on the disk?
[21:07] <sporkeee> No
[21:08] <sporkeee> You said you upgraded this a fresh install?
[21:13] <koko0> no fresh install
[21:14] <koko0> from 13.04
[21:14] <koko0> on the new user its the same
[21:15] <koko0> well its kind of weird, i can't assign Alt + Shift from the Region & language Window
[21:15] <koko0> but from keyboard settings i can
[21:15] <koko0> but it doesnt work...
[21:34] <sporkeee> Koko0, have you tried another keyboard or OS?
[21:36] <koko0> one sec, i will try in vm
[21:37] <koko0> working perfectly in an xp vm
[21:40] <sporkeee> I would download the daily and try it to get a clean look at it.
[21:41] <koko0> well, cant do this...its still my main os
[21:44] <Daekdroom> ...?
[21:44] <Daekdroom> Oh. You mean you'd lose data?
[21:45] <koko0> im afraid of daily builds
[21:45] <koko0> cant lose this machine
[21:45] <Daekdroom> ...
[21:46] <Daekdroom> If you upgraded to 13.10 and is upgrading the packages constantly, you're using the same packages that are shipped within the daily build
[21:46] <Daekdroom> (although I can't guarantee that the daily installer works as good :P)
[21:46] <koko0> well, if thats what u mean by daily so yes
[21:46] <koko0> i thought u ment like compile it myself or something
[21:47] <Daekdroom> Nah.
[21:47] <Daekdroom> !daily
[21:48] <koko0> isnt it the same as apt-get update & upgrade?...
[21:48] <Daekdroom> dist-upgrade is needed sometimes, but yeah.
[21:48] <koko0> so im on the daily build
[22:43] <koko0> this is the ubuntu 13.10 irc channel?
[22:43] <penguin42> yep
[22:44] <koko0> well i was here with keybaord problem, and now tried with live cd
[22:44] <koko0> same problem, not able to choose Alt Shift as a keyboard layout switcher


[02:38] <ScottK> Now that mesa 10.3 went in, we should add a release note that kwin/display affects bugs should not be reported upstream.
[06:28] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:54]  * Riddell does the 4.14.1 in utopic dance
[08:54] <Riddell> and kf5 5.2.0 nearly in
[08:54] <Riddell> jings that was more effort than it should have been
[08:54] <Riddell> SourBlue: you say the plasma5 image isn't fixed? :(
[08:58] <Riddell> I really wish I had time to care about Jung-Kyu Park's issue of korean fonts, but it just hasn't reached the top of my todo list yet :(
[09:00] <SourBlue> Riddell: I don't think it is
[09:00] <SourBlue> dind't work for me but the sddm.conf isn't changed at all
[09:01] <SourBlue> btw. my desktop starts on tty8 and tty7 stays the same
[09:04] <Riddell> foo
[09:05] <apachelogger> you'll want to make sure that plymouth has quit by the time sddm tries to start, otherwise it will probably not be able to use tty7
[09:06] <SourBlue> someone said it's a vm problem do you know something about that?
[09:06] <SourBlue> vm only*
[09:06] <apachelogger> vbox?
[09:06] <Riddell> needs testing on real hardware
[09:06] <apachelogger> do not bother with vbox
[09:06] <apachelogger> use kvm or real hardware or vmware
[09:07] <apachelogger> vbox is just always broken beyond comprehension before release
[09:07] <SourBlue> I mean Virtual Machines
[09:07] <apachelogger> well, *always broken
[09:07] <SourBlue> I use VirtualBox
[09:07] <apachelogger> yes
[09:07] <apachelogger> don't use it :P
[09:07] <apachelogger> it's rubbish
[09:08]  * SourBlue thinks about what he just said
[09:08]  * SourBlue gets that vbox and VirtualBox are the same
[09:08]  * apachelogger killed kubunt-ci jenkins by trying to make it produce a graph  -.-
[09:11] <SourBlue> does vmware run under linux?
[09:14] <SourBlue> or you tell me how to use kvm :D
[09:15] <Riddell> tell me too please, I've not worked it out
[09:16] <apachelogger> http://blog.liw.fi/posts/kvm-for-ubuntu-iso-testing/
[09:17] <soee> Riddell: one user on g+ asked about 4.14.1 2 days ago, they are in 14.10 but how about 14.04 ?
[09:19] <SourBlue> apachelogger, thank you that works!
[09:19] <SourBlue> Live Session still not working but the vm is running :D
[09:19]  * SourBlue uninstalls VBox
[09:23] <Riddell> soee: I honestly don't know but I'll find out today
[09:24] <soee> Riddell: the only thing i want to know atm is if it is or not available for 14.04 :)
[09:24] <soee> im on 14.10 so dont know about 14.04
[09:26] <SourBlue> soee: if what is available?
[09:28] <Riddell> soee: seems like it hasn't been packaged at all
[09:29] <Riddell> yeah, on to do list then
[09:33] <soee> Riddell: ok thank you
[09:33] <soee> SourBlue: i was asking about 4.14.1 packages for 14.04
[09:34] <SourBlue> Do you know whats the difference between "apt" and "apt-get"?
[09:38] <debfx> SourBlue: man apt
[09:38] <debfx> "DIFFERENCES TO APT-GET"
[09:39] <SourBlue> Thank you!
[09:39] <Riddell> apt is new and shiny, all the cool kids use it
[09:39] <Riddell> but I get confused when I want to do something that isn't available in apt and I need to go back to apt-foo
[09:41]  * SourBlue is a cool kid
[09:47] <Riddell> :)
[09:53] <Pali> Riddell: just to note that I applied these changes for backporting 4.14 to precise: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~pali/+junk/kubuntu-automation/revision/438
[09:56] <Riddell> thanks Pali, I'll get to it in a bit
[09:56] <Pali> ok
[10:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: nm-qt is still in bzr?
[10:37] <apachelogger> ah, no found it
[10:37] <apachelogger> curious
[10:40] <Riddell> ?
[10:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: it's not a plasma thing is it?
[10:48] <Riddell> half plasma, libnm-qt and libmm-qt want to become frameworks but are plasma for now, plasma-nm will probably stay as part of plasma releases
[10:49] <apachelogger> I see
[10:49] <apachelogger> this reminds me of my concern on what happens to the git repos if a thing changes affinity from plasma to frameworks :S
[10:50] <Riddell> debian git?  we ssh in and do mv plasma/foo frameworks/foo
[10:51] <apachelogger> but then people need to update their remotes
[10:51] <apachelogger> it's fishy I say
[10:52] <Riddell> I'm sure we can just tell any packagers to do a fresh clone
[10:53] <apachelogger> changing remotes is faster
[10:53] <apachelogger> it still requires one to do it
[10:53] <apachelogger> pointless work if you ask me
[11:10] <sgclark> morning
[11:22] <soee> hiho sgclark
[11:22] <soee> its 13:22 :D
[11:23] <sgclark> hehe 4:22  am here
[11:23] <SourBlue> soee: are you german?
[11:25] <soee> :)
[11:39] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:39] <sgclark> hiyas
[11:39] <BluesKaj> hi sgclark
[11:41] <BluesKaj> was about try plasma5 again , but read the email from valorie ...oops still not ready
[11:42] <soee> what is not ready ?
[11:42] <BluesKaj> plasma5
[11:43] <soee> BluesKaj: yes but what exactly ? :)
[11:46] <BluesKaj> soee, http://paste.kde.org/ppyw6rujb
[11:46] <apachelogger> #unsupportedinstallmethod
[11:47] <sgclark> hmm, yeah that is sddm , however, it was fixed, not sure why it would happen
[11:47] <sgclark> now
[11:47] <apachelogger> I think that is more than sddm to be honest
[11:48] <apachelogger> the entire add-ppa-get-things thing is not exactly thought through
[11:48] <sgclark> yeah sddm and plasma-framework broken caused it for me, but was fixed, so unless she is pulling in old packages somehow
[11:49] <sgclark> anyway, plasma5 working fine for me
[11:50] <apachelogger> it would for valorie if someone where to like document how to do this
[11:51] <apachelogger> or well, not make it fail when one does not do everything right
[11:53] <soee> BluesKaj: ah no idea, i have Plasma 5 installed in my dell since 3 or more months
[11:53] <soee> works fine for me
[11:57] <BluesKaj> not here , caused all kinds of troubles, no run comand/krunner, links , widgets etc and the icons/look wasn't to my taste and there were no alternatives to the breeze theme at the time
[11:58] <BluesKaj> maybe it's better now lookwise
[12:08] <apachelogger> maybe you should report bugs instead of whining
[12:09] <BluesKaj> whoa :)  , too many bugs to be useful apachelogger
[12:10] <apachelogger> nothing is ever going to change then.
[12:10] <sgclark> we cannot fix what we are not aware of
[12:15] <BluesKaj> ok < i won't mention plasma5 again, since I have no desire to use it anyway
[12:17] <Riddell> meh, sddm will be the end of us
[12:17] <Riddell> I always said it
[12:22] <apachelogger> nono I said it :P
[12:36] <kbroulik> Mirv: ping
[12:36] <soee> BluesKaj: i like where P5 is going, im waiting for 5.1 that is going to be released september i think
[12:37] <soee> you should give it a try then if current version is not enough :)
[12:38] <BluesKaj> soee, are thee any other themes besides the default breeze available?
[12:38] <BluesKaj> there
[12:38] <soee> when it comes to themes, 98% of the time is see only panel so the default is enough, no need to change it :)
[12:38] <Riddell> soee: I'm releasing the beta today
[12:38] <soee> BluesKaj: i think all/most from plasma 4 should be compatible
[12:38] <soee> Riddell: 5.1 ? :o
[12:39] <kbroulik> soee: you cannot use plasma 4 widgets in 5 because the architecture is completely different
[12:39] <kbroulik> soee: yes 5.1 :)
[12:41] <soee> kbroulik: but we are talkign about themes - tehy do not work ? i think i read somewhere they will
[12:41] <Riddell> so	yes
[12:41] <kbroulik> ah, sorry then
[12:41] <kbroulik> theoretically the themes should work but in practise that wasn't really looked after. Air for example sorta works but everything different from 4 (like systray) is broken
[12:41] <kbroulik> but then Breeze has a light and dark version :P
[12:42] <soee> yeah thats what im saying :) the 2 default breeze are enough for me atleast :)
[12:42] <soee> though i prefere dark one
[12:42] <soee> *theme -.-
[12:42] <kbroulik> I think ivan or so was porting his dark theme
[12:43] <soee> yup
[12:43] <soee> did he finished activities switcher alrfeady ?
[12:43] <soee> i think he said it will be in 5.1
[12:44] <Mirv> kbroulik: pong
[12:45] <kbroulik> Mirv: I'm having trouble with touch input on Qt 5.3 (which is shipped by 14.10) and I was told you were the person responsible for Qt stuff on kubuntu  :)
[12:45] <Mirv> kbroulik: sure, I've been packaging it. what kind of touch problem you have?
[12:46] <kbroulik> taps are not registered in Qt5-based applications. I can scroll in listviews (using two fingers) but taps are not detected. the cursor moves and the button hovers but is not actually pressed
[12:46] <kbroulik> https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/88361/ ← and in 5.3.2 I verified it works
[12:47] <Mirv> kbroulik: interestingly, we already have an earlier version of that patch in our 5.3.0 packages
[12:49] <kbroulik> interesting indeed. very very very rarely a tap is registered by eg. Plasma's panel but other than that it doesn't work
[12:49] <kbroulik> funnily scrolling through system settings using two fingers works
[12:49] <Mirv> kbroulik: can you file a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src and I can see what I can do. it's too close to the release so 5.3.2 will only land in the beginning of 15.04 dev cycle.
[12:49] <kbroulik> and also moving windows around or triggering screen edges (but then I think KWin is using lowlevel mouse detection rather than Qt's input)
[12:50] <kbroulik> running an app QT_XCB_DEBUG_XINPUT_DEVICES=1 shows that touch is indeed registered. But I will file a bug report once I am home (where that touchscreen is)
[12:50] <kbroulik> thanks for your patience Mirv :)
[12:51] <Mirv> :) thanks for reporting bugs
[12:56] <soee> Riddell: ping me ater @night when you will put 5.1beta into some ppa, i could test it :)
[13:12] <apachelogger> ehm
[13:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: are you sure kdesu is fixeD?
[13:14] <Riddell> apachelogger: well kdesu is, .desktop files with X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true not so much
[13:15] <apachelogger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/1375786
[13:16] <Riddell> yep
[13:20]  * Riddell cheers the liberation of http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html from anything KDE
[13:35] <Riddell> Pali: two override errors http://paste.kde.org/pzgwo55a6
[13:35] <Riddell> Pali: those need the breaks/replaces adjusted
[13:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'm dropping a patch in kdoctools, which branch do I want to do it in?
[13:49] <apachelogger> master if it is applicable to 5.2
[13:49] <apachelogger> you then want to checkout kubuntu_unstable and git merge master and then push both branches
[13:55] <Riddell> groovy
[15:44] <gomek> hello
[15:52] <Riddell> oh, he left
[15:54] <sgclark> Riddell: since I am clueless on the new git workflow, any interest in me backporting 4.14.1 to trusty?
[15:57] <Riddell> sgclark: yeah that would be cool
[19:07] <soee> Riddell: hows the 5.1beta ?
[19:09] <Riddell> still in upstream mode
[19:09] <Riddell> tagging and announcing, not yet done the kubuntu packages (cos I'm was still catching up on kf5 and previous plasma today)
[19:09] <Riddell> so mañana as we say in spain
[19:10] <soee> ;D
[20:31] <ScottK> mañana is always a convenient deadline.
[20:37] <shadeslayer> heh
[21:44] <Riddell> yep, in scotland we just don't have anything with such enthusiasm
[21:53] <valorie> apachelogger: I did exactly as you suggested!
[21:53] <valorie> how is that "#unsupportedinstallmethod"?
[21:54] <valorie> I guess I just need to use the neon5 environment on this laptop to report bugs
[21:55] <valorie> because SDDM still not installing cleanly is the problem, I guess?
[21:56] <valorie> or just go whole-hog and install from the plasma5 iso
[22:43]  * jussi waves
[22:44] <jussi> and thinks australian keyboards now feel strange
[23:07] <claydoh> valorie: I run olasma 5 from the plsma 5 iso, but only had any serious issues when I decided to get some fresher crack from the Staging ppa :o
[23:08] <claydoh> haven't tried upgrading after  normal install yet, will try that on my "new" laptop when it arrives
[23:09] <valorie> the staging ppa killed networking, was the biggest problem
[23:09] <valorie> I've not been able to get the nice lil applet back
[23:09] <claydoh> never had that myelf, just some broken packages for a couple days
[23:09] <valorie> had to use nmcli to connect to my wireless
[23:10]  * claydoh is inordinately lucky with installs and upgrades, it seems
[23:15] <claydoh> Just can't have desktop effects on when using Chrome
[23:19] <jussi> oh wow, its claydoh! hello old man!
[23:19] <claydoh> jussi: howdy ;)


[05:27] <killajay> a quick question once the beta is done can it just be updated to the final version
[05:31] <cedric_> Hi
[05:32] <cedric_> any place to discuss gnome 3.10 bugs?
[10:31] <darkxst> ricotz, I have patched most of the api changes in gjs, not quite working yet though
[10:41] <ricotz> darkxst, hi, you mean to fix the test failures of current c++ transition based on mozjs17, or mozjs24 changes?
[10:44] <ricotz> darkxst, could you rebase onto the latest master?
[10:46] <darkxst> there were no  test failures here with c++ branch and mozjs17
[10:47] <ricotz> darkxst, oh, make check doesnt work here with the current branch
[10:47] <darkxst> what is failing?
[10:47] <ricotz> Boxed is the first one
[10:47] <ricotz> also Cairo and so on
[10:53] <darkxst> your using jhbuild?
[10:54] <ricotz> hmm, it might be a buildsys problem which isnt using the in-tree libs
[10:55] <ricotz> no jhbuild here
[10:55] <darkxst> ricotz, ok, all tests pass here under jhbuild
[10:55] <ricotz> ok, i guess that is the problem
[10:56] <darkxst> anyway I have gjs building against js24 but not much more just yet
[10:56] <ricotz> alright
[10:56] <ricotz> feel free to push and rebase ;)
[11:19] <darkxst> its kind of broken right now
[15:21] <P3> What version of GNOME does Ubuntu GNOME come with?
[15:22] <P3> 3.10 released several days ago and our repositories with regular Ubuntu only has 3.6.
[15:24] <smartboyhw> P3: Ubuntu GNOME 13.10 will come with GNOME 3.8. GNOME 3.10 is available through a PPA.
[15:25] <P3> Ah.
[15:33] <P3> So once that happens, how would I update GNOME from 3.8 to 3.10?
[15:34] <P3> I get the PPA part. Just a little ignorant on that.
[15:49] <smartboyhw> P3, you can (if you are brave enough) now install Ubuntu GNOME 13.10 Beta 2, and read http://ubuntugnome.org/announcement-introducing-gnome3-next-ppa/
[15:53] <P3> Alright then. Will take note.
[18:08] <arpu> ricotz, darkxst i installed new ubuntu 13.10 beta all works find than i add  gnome3-next ppa -< software center cashes with The error was 'BadDrawable (invalid Pixmap or Window parameter)' i think the problem is the new gtk+ version in the ppa i could fix this by editing/usr/share/software-center/softwarecenter/ui/gtk3/views/lobbyview.py and disable lineself.exhibit_banner.set_exhibits([FeaturedExhibit()])
[18:09] <arpu> any idea how this could fixed in software-center?
[18:09] <arpu> is this a known bug?
[21:16] <darkxst> arpu, Bug 1163886
[21:17] <arpu> hi darkxst yes i found this bug report its created on 2013-04-03  and nobody fixed this ?
[21:18] <darkxst> yes, unfortunately hard to get anyone to look at it while its only on the ppa
[21:19] <arpu> maybe in clude an fixed software-center in the ppa as fix ?
[21:22] <Ponch0> Hey guys, i added the dev sources, updated, I'm on gnome-shell 3.9.92, How do I get to 3.10?
[21:22] <Ponch0> originally I was on 3.83?
[21:23] <Ponch0> I'm having lots of issues here, but so far, it seems 310 is pretty stable.
[21:23] <Ponch0> from what i've read that is
[21:25] <Ponch0> Holy mother of god the sound is IMPROVED
[21:28] <arpu> darkxst,  same problem with newer sofware-center ppa https://launchpad.net/~ubuntuone/+archive/nightlies?field.series_filter=saucy
[21:28] <arpu> :/
[21:30] <Ponch0> arpu, I've given up on software center.  I use Deepin? software center
[21:30] <Ponch0> I see 3.9.92 is 3.10 heh
[21:36] <Ponch0> But it's boootiful