[05:48] <barrydk> More almal
[05:50] <solidity> Môre.
[06:20] <Kilos> ai! now they even check if they can remember how to cut my power
[06:22] <Kilos> morning nlsthzn  barrydk  captine  and all you others
[06:24] <solidity> morning
[06:33] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:33] <Kilos> lo inetpro
[06:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:39] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[07:02] <superfly> aloha
[07:02] <Kilos> hello  superfly
[07:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> hi fly
[07:02] <Kilos> email some pizza
[07:23] <mazal> Morning everyone
[07:23] <Kilos> hi mazal
[07:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[07:33] <mazal> I need vodka , or witblitz , or green herbs , or anything
[07:33] <mazal> One of those Mondays
[07:34] <Kilos> haha
[08:07] <Kilos> hi elacheche  Cryterion
[08:07] <elacheche> o/
[08:07] <elacheche> How are you doing today Kilos :)
[08:07] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[08:07] <elacheche> Good thanks :)
[08:14] <Cryterion> Morning
[08:17] <chris_za> I forgot the group name lol...found it again
[08:18] <Kilos> what name?
[08:18] <chris_za> I was joining #ubuntu_za the whole time
[08:18] <chris_za> :D
[08:18] <Kilos> add it in your irc client
[08:19] <chris_za> yep just did lol...wondered why I was piet snot all on my own
[08:19] <Kilos> haha
[08:19] <Kilos> been there done that
[08:19] <chris_za> I was thinking Jislyk these mense sleep late on a monday :)
[08:20] <Kilos> hahaha
[08:20] <Kilos> we are nearly always here
[08:20] <Kilos> even got some owls
[08:20] <chris_za> good to know if I ever get stuck
[08:21] <chris_za> I can normally fix most things thou
[08:21] <Kilos> good then you can help noobs too
[08:21] <Kilos> keep record of fixes
[08:21] <Kilos> was it you that couldnt get printers working
[08:22] <chris_za> yea, but in my defense....they are Canon MF units
[08:22] <chris_za> support for them is horrible
[08:22] <Kilos> there must be a fix somewhere
[08:22] <chris_za> I've trolled....its an MF5700 series
[08:22] <Kilos> hp stuff is very ubuntu friendly
[08:23] <chris_za> yea probably gonna buy the HP MF Lazer
[08:23] <chris_za> pain in the ass printing to file then running Win7 in a VB just to print
[08:24] <Kilos> http://www.computing.net/answers/unix/can-the-canon-mf5700-work-under-linux-driver/9073.html
[08:25] <Kilos> somewhere someone must have had the same prob
[08:25] <Kilos> you can always ask on #ubuntu
[08:25] <Kilos> the whole world watches there
[08:26] <chris_za> from what I have found trolling there's no fix as of yet
[08:26] <Kilos> i cant keep up on that channel
[08:26] <chris_za> and canon wont come to the party
[08:26] <Kilos> ai!
[08:26] <Kilos> are they scanners as well?
[08:26] <chris_za> its cool thou, had the unit for about 5 years so its time for a change anyway
[08:27] <chris_za> yep 4-1
[08:27] <Kilos> try run simplescan and see if it sees it
[08:27] <chris_za> cant get my 3200F scanner working either :)
[08:27] <Kilos> i think its called simplescan
[08:27] <chris_za> yep tried lol
[08:27] <Kilos> ai!
[08:28] <chris_za> even tried sudo find-sanner command, it fails
[08:28] <chris_za> blocks with permissions but even as root it doesn't ID the scanner
[08:29] <chris_za> worse case, I'll set up a basic Win7 machine just for the stuff I cant get working on Ubuntu
[08:30] <chris_za> the VB is ok but hellishly slow
[08:31] <Kilos> ai! second short power cut this morning
[08:32] <chris_za> was gonna say, hellkom or inefectiveeskom
[08:32] <Cryterion> They in stage 1 atm, stage 2 is scheduled for this afternoon
[08:32] <chris_za> hmm they said on the radio stage 1 and reverting back to no load shedding
[08:33] <Kilos> eish
[08:33] <chris_za> honestly cant keep up with the flipping and flopping anymore
[08:33] <Cryterion> ECR said stage 2 this afternoon
[08:33] <Kilos> im learning to hate eskom
[08:33] <Cryterion> prince of darkness
[08:34] <chris_za> hmm ok maybe gridwatch is just not updating as quick :)
[08:35] <Kilos> so weird though, we go over a week with no shedding then they get koeberg running and add 9megawatt power to the grid then next day shedding starts again
[08:35] <Kilos> all about the next large increase they want
[08:36] <chris_za> probably panic'ed "eish everything is waaaking, lets switch something off"
[08:36] <Kilos> lol
[08:36]  * Cryterion lol
[08:37] <chris_za> as a paristatal (sp?) they shouldn't be chasing profits, and run it as a business, no pay no power
[08:37] <chris_za> think in 1990 koeberg was operating at 45% over capacity
[08:39] <chris_za> man I need new/better clients lol
[08:40] <Kilos> do you know how to use modprobe?
[08:41] <Kilos> im just guessing now but that might help find the printer
[08:42] <Kilos> man modprobe
[08:42] <chris_za> I can give it a try, but doesn't it assume a drive it avail ?
[08:42] <Kilos> i had to use it once to find something that the pc didnt see
[08:44] <chris_za> I'll give a try later, but based on all I read, think its something to do with the firmware on the printer itself
[08:45] <Kilos> that sucks
[08:45] <chris_za> there's very little support for it on Win7 64b too, have to force it to use the 32b driver
[08:46] <chris_za> anything takes longer than 2 hours to set up and configure, for me anyway, aint worth the time :)
[08:47] <Kilos> lol
[08:49] <MaNL> wouldn't be surprised if they finally managed to blow up the pump storage scheme turbines or something, those things were meant to operate only an hour or two a day for peak usage and they've been using them in overdrive
[08:49] <MaNL> OTOH I wouldn't be surprised if the shortages are all manufactured like an african ENRON
[08:49] <Kilos> yeah
[08:50] <MaNL> don't really know what to think anymore
[08:50] <MaNI> does anybody know a number for capemail hub that they actually pick up on?
[08:51] <chris_za> for updates u mean ?
[08:51] <chris_za> oh u mean a telephone number
[08:52] <MaNI> yeah telephone..
[08:53] <chris_za> isn't it localised ?
[08:53] <chris_za> to area's I mean
[08:54] <chris_za> Western Cape:<PHONE_NUMBER>
[08:54] <MaNI> yes but each area has a big hub where customs is and all parcels get stuck (like miniature black holes), for JHB people its WITS or OR TAMBO - here it is capemail :P
[08:56] <MaNI> ahh I got a fax machine last time I tried that one, but now it works
[08:57] <chris_za> "your call is important to us, umkillikilli telkom unbose" lol
[08:57] <MaNI> I can hear them talking in the background about shopping in the school holidays :/
[08:57] <chris_za> mind u telkoms service has been suprizingly  better the last year or so
[09:02] <MaNI> great parcel located, its inside the black hole as anticipated
[09:02] <MaNI> one day capemail will figure out how to actually send people notification slips, it will be a glorious day
[09:03] <Kilos> lol
[09:04] <MaNI> seriously - it takes like 5 days for package to come from hong kong to za, and then it sits at capemail for like 2-3 months :p
[09:08] <solidity> Tell them the package was only meant to last a few days and that the deadly virus that it contains will leak out into their workspace if you don't pick it up soon.
[09:08] <Kilos> lol
[09:09] <Kilos> im still crying about my mark signed ubuntu certificate that they put in one of their black holes
[09:09] <Kilos> the swines
[09:11] <MaNI> heh
[09:12] <MaNI> and the package status says 'in transit' not 'sitting on shelf collecting dust', such liars :p
[09:13] <Kilos> lol
[09:13] <MaNI> but yeah customs seems to be the main problem always
[09:21] <chris_za> sorry was explaining to a client why ad-words suck lol
[09:21] <solidity> Why does it suck?
[09:23] <chris_za> well let me correct myself, ad-words suck if your actual website itself sucks
[09:24] <solidity> Heh.
[09:24] <solidity> Pretty much.
[09:24] <chris_za> trying for force ranking just using ad-words is ineffectual I was meaning
[09:25] <chris_za> :)
[09:25] <solidity> Wouldn't adwords have no effect on rankings?
[09:26] <solidity> aside from displaying it in the advert space.
[09:26] <solidity> but the non-ad rankings should be independent of adwords afaik
[09:26] <chris_za> you get higher priorty ranking using ad-words
[09:26] <solidity> oh, that's lame
[09:27] <chris_za> but using adwords up against a properly formulated site with proper tags and alt's etc
[09:27] <solidity> But I don't know the system very well.
[09:27] <chris_za> the "natural" ranker will always outstrip the forced adwords
[09:28] <solidity> http://www.submitawebsite.com/blog/2010/03/does-buying-google-adwords-improve.html
[09:28] <solidity> That article is pretty old though.
[09:28] <solidity> but tl;dr google doesn't affect natural rank because of adwords
[09:29] <chris_za> yep, adwords will just give priorty listing while you still have funds in the account, some say the increase in traffic might improve the ranking
[09:29] <chris_za> but natural ranking is still the better option :)
[09:30] <solidity> But that makes sense, I think that the quality of results returned would go down if adwords impacted natural ranking because then money > good website.
[09:30] <solidity> So google wouldn't want to do that, because that is basically their business, quality results.
[09:30] <chris_za> explaining it to clients is fun sometimes thou
[09:31] <chris_za> yep, its really just a money stream for google to be honest
[09:31] <chris_za> cant beat a good solid site formatted right :)
[09:31] <solidity> 80% of their revenue comes from advertising, and the value of the ads is directly linked to the quality of the search results that get people's eyeballs looking in the first place
[09:33] <chris_za> Quality and Validity :)...you can basically put anything you want in adwords so validity of content could be debateable
[09:34] <MaNI> not so sure about their business being quality results anymore
[09:34] <MaNI> the ranking already pushes all sorts of other little hidden agendas of theirs
[09:34] <chris_za> the natural method trolls your content, so the validity should in theory be higher
[09:35] <solidity> MaNI: fair enough, but I'm not talking about what you would consider quality content, but the average use case for google.
[09:35] <solidity> for a google search*
[09:35] <chris_za> I use it mainly for spelling lol
[09:35] <MaNI> the average use case is to find relevant results
[09:35] <MaNI> punishing sites that have lots of content, because they aren't 'mobile friendly' flies in the face of that use case
[09:36] <MaNI> but it suits googles use case of wanting everyone to use android for everything
[09:36] <chris_za> yea mobile-friendly is a new thing, its a pain in the ass really
[09:36] <solidity> Perhaps if the search is from a mobile phone.
[09:36] <solidity> Don't they cater the result based on the platform you search from?
[09:36] <MaNI> thats not how it works though, its punished for everyone
[09:36] <chris_za> it effectively means every site has to be responsive
[09:36] <MaNI> having long content now kills your page rank
[09:37] <solidity> That is what I mean though, what is relevant to the average use case then is easy mobile accessibility.
[09:37] <chris_za> I think you can overcome it by using excerpts and "read more" structure
[09:37] <MaNI> it long ago stopped being about relevance and started being about how google wants your webpage to look
[09:37] <solidity> And responsive websites should work well on all platforms?
[09:38] <chris_za> yes, responsive is all about cross-platform
[09:38] <SDCDev> morning morning
[09:38] <solidity> So I'm for that actually then.
[09:38] <solidity> But, I use duckduckgo most of the time anyway.
[09:39] <chris_za> I agree, but again, explaining to clients they have to rehash their sites now
[09:39] <solidity> Well, that is why I stopped doing webdev: clients.
[09:39] <chris_za> most say "but I've had it for XX years", it works lol
[09:40] <chris_za> I've been doing mostly out the box dev recently
[09:40] <chris_za> saves the manual dev
[09:40] <solidity> out the box?
[09:40] <solidity> stuff like weebly?
[09:40] <chris_za> the lazy web dev using wordpress, joomla, drupal that kinda platform
[09:40] <solidity> ah
[09:41] <chris_za> most are code heavy but saves alot of time
[09:41] <solidity> Yeah.
[09:42] <solidity> I'm building a site for a friend as a favour using weebly, but nice thing is since it is very wysiwyg and user friendly he can maintain it once I'm done.
[09:42] <chris_za> 10 years ago it was unheard of to be able to do a e-commerce roll out in under an hour :)
[09:42] <solidity> hehe yep
[09:42] <chris_za> never tried weebly, must take a look
[09:43] <chris_za> been using primaryly wordpress for the main reason I dont have to re-invent the wheel for each requirment
[09:44] <solidity> Only time I used wordpress was for updating an existing website.
[09:44] <solidity> But that site was a disaster in terms of speed.
[09:45] <chris_za> was it on shared hosting ?
[09:45] <solidity> Don't remember, probably.
[09:45] <chris_za> yea wordpress on shared hosting can tend to be sluggish
[09:46] <solidity> Our firm didn't build it, we just reskinned it and updated it.
[09:46] <chris_za> :) using Artiseer for the theme ?
[09:47] <chris_za> or manual CSS
[09:47] <solidity> completely custom design, so manual CSS
[09:48] <chris_za> :) I'm too lazy these days for even that, so many theme's availible already, just modify to clients needs :)
[09:48] <chris_za> one of the major problems these days is clients are getting "smarter" and think its easy so they just wont pay for good dev
[09:50] <chris_za> Thats why I'm slowly trying to transition into streaming TV content :)
[10:01] <solidity> Well, that was a design and marketing firm, so pretty and custom design was their thing.
[10:02] <solidity> Man.
[10:02] <solidity> Soup + break = heaven
[10:02] <solidity> bread*
[10:03] <solidity> nice freshly baked German Landbrot
[10:05] <barrydk> Shame solidity hope you get well soon
[10:05] <solidity> nah, I'm 100%
[10:05] <barrydk> 100% sick?
[10:05] <solidity> har
[10:06] <solidity> Just because sick people eat healthy food doesn't mean healthy people should eat sick food.
[10:06] <mazal> Anybody know where be oom Kilos ?
[10:06] <chris_za> he mentioned power issues in his area mazal
[10:07] <mazal> oi , ok ta chris_za
[10:07] <barrydk> I only eat soup if i can eat it with a knife and fourk i still can chew my food
[10:07] <mazal> maaz tell Kilos Oom herhinner my aan 2de deel van terugvoer
[10:07] <Maaz> mazal: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[10:08] <solidity> You can emulsifiy your soup by adding (wholewheat) flour and ground flaxseed, and just use chunky ingredients.
[10:09] <solidity> Apply knife before cooking, should able to use a fork then with the emulsification.
[10:10] <solidity> :P
[10:10] <mazal> aaaah hot coffee , soos koekies in die weeshuis :)
[10:14] <solidity> That is... actually rather depressing.
[10:15] <chris_za> so is anyone streaming TV content in here ?
[10:16] <solidity> Like twitch?
[10:16] <solidity> Or stream tv shows?
[10:16] <chris_za> live stream TV
[10:17] <solidity> So like twitch then.
[10:17] <solidity> I think.
[10:17] <chris_za> yea looks similar
[10:18] <chris_za> twitch just for game channels ?
[10:19] <solidity> I don't know.
[10:19] <solidity> But everything I have seen from twitch is based around games.
[10:19] <chris_za> yea looks like it, I was meaning more TV from around the world
[10:20] <solidity> What do you stream?
[10:20] <chris_za> 200 channels lol :)
[10:21] <chris_za> can post a link if its allowed
[10:22] <solidity> As long as it is sfw I'm pretty sure it would be allowed.
[10:22] <chris_za> http://www.filmon.com/?affid=161961Bs
[10:23] <chris_za> got an android app too :)
[10:23] <Kilos> hmm...
[10:24] <chris_za> I did ask :) sorry Kilos
[10:24] <Kilos> what?
[10:24] <chris_za> oh, to post a link
[10:24] <Kilos> just had 3rd power cut today, sigh
[10:24] <Cryterion> 99 little bugs in the code, 99 little bugs in the code, take one down patch it around, 127 little bugs in the code......
[10:24] <Kilos> thats fine
[10:24] <chris_za> ouch 3rd one in a short time, sounds more like a substation
[10:25] <Cryterion> They just switched mine back on, 30mins
[10:25] <Kilos> now its the pta power peeps messing around
[10:25] <Cryterion> and dbn ones
[10:25] <Kilos> doesnt help to ask them to pay for damaged equipment either
[10:26] <Kilos> im in ptown
[10:26] <chris_za> yea, I lost a couple of PSU's and 2 or 3 HDD's
[10:26] <Kilos> send scrap hdds this way
[10:27] <Kilos> i use the parts to repair others
[10:27] <MaNI> code with only 99 bugs in it, that sounds like a lie :p
[10:27] <chris_za> got piles of them, well I has a clean out end of last year, musta dumped about 100
[10:27] <solidity> Bugs are just features in disguise.
[10:27] <chris_za> down to about 20-30 laying around now
[10:28] <MaNI> 20-30 known ones you mean :p
[10:30] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za  hows things
[10:30] <chris_za> alive and kicking :)
[10:31] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos. Could be better, but I'm working on that :P
[10:31] <Kilos> good
[10:32] <solidity> I recommend some nice warm soup and break.
[10:32] <solidity> damnit
[10:32] <solidity> bread*
[10:32] <chris_za> I cant take lunch yet :D had done sod all work yet lol
[10:33] <chris_za> havn't*
[10:33] <solidity> So, I just read that Kanye West called his daughter North.
[10:33] <solidity> So her name is North West.
[10:33] <Kilos> haha
[10:34] <solidity> I can't figure out if this awesome or terrible, or terribly awesome.
[10:34] <chris_za> she will have enough money not to care :)
[10:35] <Kilos> bad for the kid
[10:35] <Kilos> much ragging throughout lifetime
[10:35] <MaNI> kid is rich so will be fine
[10:37] <MaNI> should be more concerned about having such an ass of a father than its name when it comes to ragging anyway
[10:37] <chris_za> urg, suppose I should do some work or fake some work at least
[10:38] <chris_za> back in a bit :)
[10:40] <Kilos> ohi superfly   sudo add-apt-repository link is the right way isnt it
[10:40] <Kilos> the update gets the key things
[10:44] <superfly> yes
[10:44] <solidity> Kanye should call his next child "Wild WIld"
[10:44] <Kilos> ty
[10:44] <MaNI> or go
[11:05] <Kilos> Maaz  seen jacques_stry
[11:05] <Maaz> Kilos: jacques_stry was last seen 21 days, 5 hours, 23 minutes and 52 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-05-17 22:41:22 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-05-18 06:20:56 PDT
[11:05] <Kilos> sjoe
[11:59] <mazal> Oom Kilos hier ?
[12:06] <Kilos> ja
[12:06] <Kilos> was buite innie son mazal
[12:08] <mazal> Kilos: Second bit of feedback RE systemback app
[12:08] <mazal> The snapshot part
[12:08] <Kilos> ah
[12:09] <mazal> It seems to basically be a straight copy of the whole system to the destination drive
[12:09] <mazal> Each one has a sub folder with it's date
[12:09] <mazal> Home folders are included , but only hidden folders inside homes are included
[12:10] <mazal> Documents , pictures etc. are not included
[12:10] <mazal> The snapshots can be schedules for every x amount of days or hours or minutes
[12:10] <mazal> Scheduling works fine , I scheduled mine last week for every 4 days , and it ran today
[12:11] <mazal> As for loading back a snapshot , I don't know. Couldn't find time to break my system on purpose to test
[12:13] <Kilos> lol
[12:13] <captine> hi there.  need some advice.  Am a long time cybersmart user for ADSL and their capped packages are great, but am needing to save some cash.  Currently on a 10 meg capped line, but thinking of moving to a 4meg uncapped as that seems to be the cheapest option.  just wanting to know if anyone has a recommendation as I have tried the cybersmart offering and it was terrible the last time I went onto it
[12:14] <captine> mazal, what snapshot tool are you talking about there?
[12:14] <mazal> I only ever had bad performance on uncapped so can't recommend
[12:14] <mazal> systemback captine
[12:14] <mazal> Oom Kilos had link to it
[12:14] <captine> thnx
[12:15] <Kilos> so mazal  is it a good alternate to remastersys in your opinion
[12:15] <mazal> Yes and no
[12:15] <Kilos> make up your mind
[12:15] <mazal> for your own pc , yes , defnitely yes. Works really easy once you know what to do
[12:16] <Kilos> ah
[12:16] <mazal> For iso's to share. Defnitely no , due to your configs that is included in iso
[12:16] <Kilos> ok ty for the feedback lad
[12:16] <mazal> The snapshots is a nice extra to have. Should be handy when you just broke a few files and need to restore them
[12:17] <Kilos> ill try keep remastersys going and see when it stops working
[12:17] <mazal> For the snapshots though I would have prefered it included all home data , not just the configs
[12:18] <Kilos> can you not change it to suit?
[12:18] <mazal> Then it would have been a nice all-in-one solution , but as is you still need to ran seperate backup for home data
[12:18] <Kilos> ah
[12:19] <Kilos> find the remastersys src file
[12:19] <mazal> I can't find any setting for the snapshot to include all home data
[12:19] <Kilos> pity no one downloaded the source while it was still free
[12:22] <mazal> Ok now this is strange
[12:22] <Kilos> lol what
[12:22] <mazal> Mine is set to NOT include hidden folders in home , but it does
[12:23] <Kilos> hmm...
[12:24] <mazal> Ok , that must be one AND you must manually select which hidden folders to exclude
[12:24] <mazal> But no option whatsoever for the data folders like Documents etc.
[12:24] <mazal> Strange decision.
[12:24] <mazal> Maybe they will add it in later
[12:25] <Kilos> ya i think they are still working on it
[12:25] <mazal> The only option for data folders is for the iso , not the snapshot
[12:26] <MaNI> no source code available for it anywhere?
[12:27] <mazal> I dunno MaNI
[12:27] <Kilos> mazal  you still have the link
[12:27] <mazal> Nope
[12:27] <Kilos> i lost that last week already
[12:27] <Kilos> oh my
[12:27] <mazal> Ditto
[12:28] <mazal> google should find it though
[12:28] <Kilos> let me see what i can find
[12:28] <mazal> http://www.techrepublic.com/article/create-a-live-system-iso-for-your-ubuntu-based-linux-machines-using-systemback/
[12:29] <Kilos> ya that was it
[12:29] <Kilos> MaNI  see if you can find source
[12:29] <mazal> https://launchpad.net/systemback
[12:29] <MaNI> sounds like quite a scandal
[12:29] <MaNI> its GPL software so they can be legally compelled to provide the source
[12:29] <mazal> http://sourceforge.net/projects/systemback/
[12:30] <mazal> It defnitely have an "unfinished" feel to it , and I assume they will be adding features
[12:31] <Kilos> lets hope
[12:31] <mazal> Yeah remaster is not going to be working for much longer
[12:31] <mazal> We been lucky so far that the old one works
[12:32] <Kilos> one guy said to me if you have the packages they should keep working because it copies /root
[12:33] <mazal> I already had issues with config in x that changed
[12:33] <mazal> Had to fiddle to get it to work
[12:34] <Kilos> oi, mine i did last week on 14.04 kde worked perfectly
[12:34] <mazal> Yeah once set it works
[12:35] <mazal> But remember there was a config file that had to be created first , a file that's location moved
[12:35] <Kilos> lol i dunno how to set stuff, i just run it
[12:35] <mazal> Can't remember now what that file was
[12:35] <mazal> lightdm
[12:36] <mazal> had something to do with that
[12:36] <Kilos> ah
[12:37] <mazal> I should have noted that process down me thinks :P
[12:37] <Kilos> ya
[12:38] <Kilos> do like me, make notes of everything then lose the notes
[12:42] <mazal> I usually create files , then can't remember in which folder I put it
[12:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> dropbox is my go-to for that sort of thing
[12:45] <Kilos> lol
[12:45] <Kilos> thats actually a good plan ThatGraemeGuy
[12:45] <Kilos> save notes on dropbox
[12:46] <magespawn> good afternoon
[12:46] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[12:46] <Kilos> you missed lots
[12:46] <Kilos> all kinds of code chat here
[12:48] <mazal> Bye everyone , have a nice evening.  It's ready. I go eat
[16:06] <Kilos> my old p3 used to blow hot air out the back, this one only blows cold, too efficient
[16:06] <Kilos> enjoy mazal
[16:06] <Kilos> oh and the ding is a pling
[16:06] <solidity> minetest??
[16:07] <Kilos> game like minecraft but free
[16:07] <Kilos> very lekker and addictive
[16:07] <Kilos> just expensive on 3g
[16:07] <solidity> oh neat
[16:08] <solidity> Bit of a minecraft addict myself but due to driver issues and other things I don't want to sukkel with I stopped.
[16:08] <solidity> I'll check it out.
[16:08] <Kilos> try minetest, graeme and Cryterion  run a server
[16:08] <Kilos> hi smile
[16:14] <smile> hi :p
[16:31] <solidity> Well, it runs but it is still sluggish on this cheap and old laptop.
[16:31] <Kilos> what?
[16:35] <solidity> minetest
[16:37] <Cryterion> join a server. so you don't have the server side running as well
[16:37] <solidity> ok, I'll try, details
[16:38] <Cryterion> mt.thatgreameguy.co.za:30000
[16:38] <Kilos> solidity  join #minetest-za
[16:38] <Kilos> spelling Cryterion
[16:46]  * stickyboy is writing a blog post on systemd timers.
[16:47] <magespawn> good evening
[16:47] <Cryterion> hi
[16:49] <Kilos> hi my magespawn
[16:50] <Cryterion> Kilos: spelling ?
[16:50] <Kilos> thatgreameguy
[16:51] <Kilos> maybe i misread
[16:51]  * Kilos scrolls back
[16:51] <Cryterion> hmm. often do that
[16:51] <Kilos> lol
[16:52] <Cryterion> solidity is connected now anyway
[16:52] <Kilos> yeah you must teach him to untick some of the stuff so it starts quicker too
[16:53] <solidity> I'm still messing with settings.
[16:53] <Kilos> i forget what they were
[16:53] <Cryterion> all default now in lastest version
[16:54] <Cryterion> some no longer an option
[16:55] <solidity> http://pasteboard.co/14ALZC0s.png
[16:55] <solidity> that's how it looks to me
[16:56] <solidity> As you can see, not very nice
[16:56] <Cryterion> hmm. you running on windows
[16:56] <solidity> yes
[16:56] <solidity> I'm the black sheep in this channel.
[16:57] <Kilos> eeeeek
[16:57] <solidity> Why the hate?
[16:57] <Cryterion> don't know if the win build is updated enough yet. server is on latest dev
[16:57] <solidity> I don't get those glitches when I host
[16:57] <solidity> or run single player
[16:57] <Kilos> no hate
[16:58] <Kilos> just sympathy
[16:59] <solidity> why?
[16:59] <Cryterion> won't if you hosting. as client and server are both you
[16:59] <solidity> Don't confuse these bugs with a windows issue, this is more a laptop issue.
[16:59] <solidity> since I installed win8 on hardware that only has win7 drivers.
[17:00] <solidity> and no ubuntu/linux isn't much of an improvement in this regard
[17:00] <Cryterion> possibly. just saying the win builds might be a bit out of date
[17:00] <solidity> fair enough
[17:00] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:00] <solidity> but oh well then
[17:00] <solidity> I have to go drop off some things anyway, bbl
[17:00] <Cryterion> we picked up that the latest release couldn't connect. but dev version could
[17:01] <solidity> ok, I'll check when I get back then
[17:36] <mazal> maaz tell solidity I use sfan's latest build on Win 7 and have no issues , give it a try https://sfan5.pf-control.de/minetest-builds/?f
[17:37] <Maaz> mazal: Righto, I'll tell solidity on freenode
[17:38] <rusbus> Maaz botsnack
[17:38] <Maaz> YAY someone cares about me too!
[17:45]  * rusbus is now listening to: - Dancing in the Moonlight
[17:56] <mazal> Night everyone
[17:57] <Kilos> night mazal
[17:57] <Kilos> lekker slaap
[18:00] <magespawn> i am also off to my room, chat later
[18:00] <Kilos> night magespawn
[18:00] <Kilos> oh later then too
[18:14] <solidity> yay doing free family tech support
[18:14] <Maaz> solidity: By the way, mazal on freenode told me "tell solidity I use sfan's latest build on Win 7 and have no issues , give it a try https://sfan5.pf-control.de/minetest-builds/?f" 37 minutes and 36 seconds ago
[18:14] <solidity> Yes thank you.
[18:14]  * solidity gives Maaz some oil.
[18:15] <Kilos> lol
[18:51] <superfly> http://arstechnica.com/apple/2015/06/apple-open-sources-swift/
[19:06] <smile> bye
[19:09] <Cryterion> hmm, is apple waking up
[19:10] <Kilos> cheers smail
[19:10] <Kilos> smi
[19:10] <Kilos> ai!
[19:13] <Kilos> last night i could have stayed up then power cut at 8pm
[19:14] <Kilos> tonight im tired and power stays on
[19:14] <Kilos> sigh
[19:29] <Cryterion> lol
[19:29] <Cryterion> we had none 5 til 6
[19:31] <Kilos> drives me nuts
[19:33] <superfly> we were supposed to go out at 8, but the lights are still on
[19:35] <Kilos> so frustrating
[19:35] <inetpro> ?
[19:36] <inetpro> be happy if it's still on
[19:36] <Kilos> lol
[19:36] <inetpro> good evening
[19:36] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[19:37] <inetpro> Kilos: what did I miss today?
[19:37] <Kilos> not much , was very quiet
[19:37] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:37] <inetpro> does that mean I can go sleep now?
[19:38] <Kilos> lol will you really
[19:38] <inetpro> bit early still, I guess
[19:38] <Kilos> haha thought so
[19:38] <Kilos> i overdid the garlic magnet cure
[19:38] <inetpro> ai!
[19:39] <Kilos> bp dropped to 103/63
[19:39] <Kilos> now im vreeting salt again
[19:39] <Kilos> hehe
[19:39] <inetpro> yikes!
[19:40] <Kilos> lol
[19:40] <Kilos> im not going to quacks
[19:40] <inetpro> you be killing yourself if you seesaw like that
[19:41] <Kilos> yeah ill try do things gradually
[19:41] <Kilos> then stop when back at 120/80
[19:48] <Kilos> oh my
[19:48] <Kilos> what did he do wrong
[20:00] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:00] <georgelappies> hi all
[20:00] <Kilos> you lucky inetpro
[20:00] <Kilos> i forgot what i wanted to ask you
[20:00] <Kilos> hi georgelappies
[20:00] <georgelappies> hi Kilos
[20:00] <inetpro> thanks for forgetting Kilos
[20:00] <Kilos> you well?
[20:00] <inetpro> good night
[20:00] <Kilos> lol
[20:00]  * inetpro only tired
[20:00] <georgelappies> what up
[20:00] <inetpro> as usual
[20:00] <Kilos> if you chat ill stay a while
[20:01] <inetpro> georgelappies: talk to him
[20:01] <inetpro> while I go sleep
[20:01] <Kilos> rofl
[20:01] <georgelappies> hehe
[20:01] <Kilos> you going to bed really inetpro  ?
[20:01] <inetpro> in a few minutes yes
[20:01] <Kilos> i wont remember till im in bed
[20:02] <georgelappies> huh
[20:02] <georgelappies> wat is dit van bed
[20:02] <Kilos> are you well too georgelappies
[20:02]  * solidity sips wine.
[20:02] <Kilos> die ou mense is moeg man
[20:02] <georgelappies> always well, maybe too well now
[20:02] <solidity> Oud, koud en benoud.
[20:03] <georgelappies> solidity, have another sip
[20:03] <solidity> Just did.
[20:03] <georgelappies> kwaai
[20:03] <Kilos> what wine
[20:03] <Kilos> i used to enjoy old brown
[20:03] <solidity> cheap stuff
[20:04] <georgelappies> yeah, maak nie saak nie
[20:04] <solidity> Du Toitskloof Cellar - Cabernet Sauvignon ~ Shiraz
[20:04] <solidity> But, to me I just see it sa "red" wine.
[20:04] <solidity> :P
[20:05] <inetpro> good night everyone
[20:05] <georgelappies> did you guys donate to wikipedia yet
[20:05] <inetpro> Maaz: watch them
[20:05] <Maaz> OK inetpro I'll keep an eye on them for you
[20:05]  * solidity does not pretend to have a sophisticated palate.
[20:05] <Kilos> night inetpro
[20:05] <solidity> night night
[20:05] <Kilos> sleep well and warm
[20:06] <solidity> I'm busy installing win8 for family.
[20:06] <Kilos> donate what?
[20:06] <Kilos> eish
[20:06] <Kilos> 8 sucks
[20:06] <Kilos> 7 far better
[20:06] <solidity> Wikipedia donates free information to me.
[20:06] <solidity> 8 is better.
[20:06] <solidity> I'll fight you.
[20:06] <Kilos> you are the first one i hear say that
[20:07] <georgelappies> yeah some dollars for the biggest source or info on the planet earth
[20:07] <solidity> I get that sentiment alot.
[20:07] <Kilos> you cant fight me man, you still a child
[20:07] <georgelappies> how old are you Kilos
[20:07] <Kilos> i donate my views on wiki
[20:07] <Kilos> 64 later this month
[20:08] <solidity> Fair enough, I at least have some degree of respect for those older than me regardless.
[20:08] <solidity> But I'll rebel and dye my hair!
[20:08] <solidity> I should donate to wikipedia.
[20:08] <solidity> But I'm poor.
[20:08] <solidity> Like really poor.
[20:09] <Kilos> hahaha
[20:09] <solidity> I spent like one hour on it today without even planning, reading up an ancient Greece and Greek mythology.
[20:09] <smile> Donate to libreoffice that team needs more support :)
[20:10] <smile> Wikipedia already has millions
[20:10] <solidity> Everybody has a cause they will fight for.
[20:10] <georgelappies> i can not remember a day when I did not right click some link to confirm it on wikipedia
[20:10] <solidity> Mine isn't those.
[20:10] <georgelappies> guys, wikipedia is a non profit
[20:10] <solidity> But I do consider them to be kindred spirits.
[20:10] <Kilos> my cause is ubuntu
[20:11] <georgelappies> lol @ solidity
[20:11] <solidity> I believe a person is most effective in a cause they are most passionate about.
[20:11] <georgelappies> sure
[20:11] <solidity> whyUlol@mebrah
[20:11] <georgelappies> i love information
[20:11] <smile> I just think wikimedia foundation is wasting money on some of their projects
[20:12] <georgelappies> like what smile
[20:12] <smile> The media viewer was outsourced and very expensive in development in terms of money
[20:13] <georgelappies> solidity, just the usage of the language , kindred spirits
[20:13] <smile> I think it was a million dollar
[20:14] <georgelappies> do you use them at all smile
[20:14] <solidity> efficiency is relative
[20:15] <smile> The media viewer isnt even good. And what do you mean by using "THEM"
[20:16] <solidity> There is always some way to do things better, more often than not several orders of magnitude so, but because I know how to x and you are a rich person that does y, I get to charge a buttload because you can't x.
[20:16] <Kilos> smile  show him your wiki edits
[20:16] <georgelappies> but smile, dont judge all of human knowledge on the implementation of a media player
[20:16] <smile> I am the human knowledge
[20:17] <solidity> I can look at everything and think of a better way it could be done.
[20:17] <solidity> Hold on, I have an annoying self-righteous quote image thingy...
[20:17] <georgelappies> :D
[20:17] <smile> If you want to preserve human knowledge I suggest you donate to archive.org they really do a great job
[20:18] <georgelappies> who here knows "Joy Division - Atmosphere"
[20:18] <smile> http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciaal:Bijdragen/Smile4ever
[20:18] <smile> I know joy division. Why?
[20:18] <solidity> http://vinemultimedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/rosevelt.jpg
[20:18] <georgelappies> smile, you linking a wikiepedia page
[20:19] <smile> Its my edit history on wikipedia
[20:19] <georgelappies> Joy Division is an awesome band, and atmosphere just starting playing now ;p
[20:19] <smile> Over 36000 edits
[20:19] <smile> Nice.
[20:20] <solidity> smile
[20:20] <solidity> this might be the wine talking
[20:20] <solidity> well
[20:20] <solidity> it is the wine talking
[20:20] <solidity> but
[20:20] <georgelappies> real respect smile, you know more than what I do about wikipedia
[20:21] <smile> Of course I do.
[20:37] <smile> Daar is ni baie vrouwe op Wikipedia
[20:38] <georgelappies> wel, daar is nie 'n aktiewe verbot op vroue om te redigeer nie... ;)
[20:40] <smile> Ek weet, maar die vroue is vaak ni technies aangeleg wat nie motiveer om by te draag nie
[20:42] <georgelappies_> got kicked for some reason
[20:43] <smile> Ek weet, maar die vroue is vaak ni technies aangeleg wat nie motiveer om by te draag nie
[20:43] <smile> That was my last reply
[20:44] <smile> You didnt got kicked, freenode just lost contact with your client
[20:45]  * smile hugs georgelappies_
[20:46] <georgelappies> is terug
[20:47] <smile> Welkom :)
[20:48] <smile> Its a town, too
[20:48] <smile> :-D
[20:49] <georgelappies> yeah, worked there for a year
[20:49] <georgelappies> Odendaalsrus, virginia, Welkom ;p
[20:50] <smile> Lol :)
[20:50] <Cryterion> been to walmaranstad before
[20:50] <smile> Het staat op de lijst van vreemde plaatsnamen op wikipedia
[20:50] <smile> :-D
[20:51] <smile> Where is that, Cryterion
[20:51] <georgelappies> ?
[20:52] <smile> Lijst van opmerkelijke plaatsnamen is an article on the dutch wikipedia
[20:52] <georgelappies> aah ek sien
[20:52] <smile> You should google for it
[20:52] <smile> Goed. :)
[20:53] <Cryterion> Middle of nowhere, get to potjestroom and go on a road
[20:53] <smile> :-P
[20:54] <smile> I will have a pleasure exploring south africa once I get there
[20:54] <smile> ;-)
[20:54] <Cryterion> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nkandla_compound_firepool_controversy - lol pols won to make it official - edited though
[20:54] <georgelappies> :D
[20:54] <smile> :-D
[20:58] <georgelappies> me - listening to Leonard Cohen - The Future - and trying to make sense of it all
[20:59] <smile> Do you use vlc?
[20:59] <georgelappies> nope, audacious
[20:59] <georgelappies> on Fedora 22
[20:59] <smile> :-(
[20:59] <smile> :-O
[21:00] <smile> Manjaro/arch here
[21:00] <georgelappies> I use vlc for video
[21:00] <georgelappies> Manjaro is nice
[21:01] <smile> I have a lyrics extension for vlc in development
[21:01] <georgelappies> I have taken a liking to GNOME 3 and Fedora seems to best at it
[21:01] <georgelappies> cool
[21:01] <smile> Yeah, the fact it combines stability with rolling is nice
[21:02] <georgelappies> yeah, just fedup every 6 months ;p
[21:02] <smile> It works almost the way I want it, but there are some crashes that need to be worked out
[21:02] <smile> Its because of the bad scripting engine at the core of vlc
[21:03] <Cryterion> anyone here know much about gnupg?
[21:03] <smile> Ask the free software foundation :-P
[21:03] <Cryterion> install probs, it's already free :)
[21:04] <smile> The free software foundation is just an entity to promote free software :) they recommend using pgp
[21:05] <smile> A good place for such questions is askubuntu.com
[21:06] <Cryterion> Yeah I know, but Email client swears at me everytime I open it, got all the details to update, but have a problem with them
[21:07] <georgelappies> I am out for the night, may the source be with you
[21:08] <Cryterion> been there, done that, bit further, script isn't realising a newer version
[21:08] <Cryterion> Maaz
[21:08] <Cryterion> Maaz: help
[21:08] <Maaz> Cryterion: I can help you with: looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff.
[21:08] <Maaz> Ask me "help me with ..." for more details.
[21:08] <smile> Maaz: hello
[21:08] <Maaz> Howzit smile
[21:10] <solidity> Maaz help me with south african stuff
[21:10] <Maaz> solidity: I use the following features for south african stuff: lotto
[21:10] <Maaz> Ask me "how do I use ..." for more details.
[21:11] <solidity> Maaz how do I use lotto
[21:11] <Maaz> solidity: Gets the latest lotto results from the South African National Lottery. You can use it like this:
[21:11] <Maaz>   lotto
[21:11] <Cryterion> Maaz: tell inetpro need help with gnupg2 upgrade.
[21:11] <Maaz> Cryterion: Righto, I'll tell inetpro on freenode
[21:11] <Cryterion> ha, done :)
[21:11] <Cryterion> I like him
[21:11] <solidity> Maaz tell solidity stop talking to yourself you crazy badger.
[21:11] <Maaz> solidity: Righto, I'll tell solidity on freenode
[21:11] <smile> :-D
[21:12] <smile> Maaz: tell feybart hi from smile
[21:12] <Maaz> smile: I don't know who feybart is. Say 'feybart on freenode' and I'll take your word that feybart exists
[21:12] <smile> Maaz: tell feybart on freenode hi from smile
[21:12] <Maaz> smile: Okay, I'll tell feybart on freenode
[21:12] <solidity> Maaz tell Maaz stop hitting yourself
[21:12] <Maaz> solidity: I can't deliver messages to myself
[21:12] <Maaz> solidity: By the way, solidity on freenode told me "tell solidity stop talking to yourself you crazy badger." 1 minute and 13 seconds ago
[21:13] <solidity> Maaz tell Maaz I can't deliver messages to myself
[21:13] <Maaz> solidity: I can't deliver messages to myself
[21:13] <solidity> close nough
[21:14] <Cryterion> 99 liitle bugs in the code
[21:14] <Cryterion> 99 little bugs in the code
[21:14] <smile> Maaz: can you fix me?
[21:14] <Maaz> smile: Excuse me?
[21:14] <Cryterion> Take one out, patch it about
[21:14] <Cryterion> 127 little bugs in the code
[21:14] <smile> Maaz: help me with bugs
[21:14] <Maaz> smile: I'm afraid I don't know what you are asking about.