[00:24] <italo> si
[01:07] <JeZxLee> where is Kubuntu 15.04 64Bit Beta 2 ?
[01:08] <JeZxLee> nm, I found it :)
[01:09] <soee> :)
[01:36] <travnewmatic> well i took the plunge
[01:36] <travnewmatic> i'm on 15.04
[01:37] <travnewmatic> (pls update hexchat to use the new window stuff)
[01:50] <travnewmatic> testing
[02:56] <travnewmatic> so waiting for everything to look all pretty in KDE 5 is going to be fun
[03:02] <ahoneybun> travnewmatic: it already is :)
[03:45] <untubuk> hi
[04:00] <jarkko> what's up
[04:03] <poee> Hi, I have a monitor connected to my nvidia graphics card and another connected to my motherboard. can I make both of them work?
[08:32] <nescius> my encryption died on both of my notebooks, am i only one who encountered this recently?
[08:48] <nescius> WTF?!  I will bugreport this and will not be pleasant and nice
[11:08] <alvin> I want to link an upstream (KDE) bug in Launchpad, but can't find the right button. Does anyone has an idea?
[11:14] <Riddell> alvin: Also affects distribution/package
[11:15] <alvin> Riddell: Thanks, but I tried that. The problem is the distribution. What do I choose there? It probably affects all distributions. The bug was visible at the KDE demo booth at Fosdem, and if I'm not mistaken, they used OpenSUSE
[11:16] <alvin> Launchpad says "Bug watches can not be added for Ubuntu, as it uses Launchpad as its official bug tracker. "
[11:22] <Riddell> alvin: so link to the kde bug site
[11:24] <alvin> Riddell: But that's what I'm trying to do! It's just not clear how to do it. There are 3 attributes: Distribution, Source Package Name and URL. That should be Ubuntu, plasma-desktop and the KDE bug tracker URL. But Launchpad doesn't want to accept for 'Ubuntu'. And 'KDE' is not in that list.
[11:25] <alvin> It's Launchpad bug #1437260 that I'm trying to link to https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=336089
[11:31] <Riddell> alvin: hmm weird, suddently I don't know
[11:31] <Riddell> alvin: I've linked it to a fedora bug on bugs.kde, how weird
[11:32] <Riddell> alvin: but we don't tend to track upstream bugs in kubuntu so upstream is the important place
[11:34] <alvin> Riddell: Well, thanks anyway. I remember doing this, but it was a long time ago, and Launchpad has evolved. Upstream is fine for me too. I will refrain from using Launchpad for KDE bugs then. But it would be a shame to release Kubuntu with that one.
[11:34] <alvin> Now, I can't see how http://www.sansbullshitsans.com/ looks like ;-)
[11:58] <greyback> hey folks, I was trying out latest kde on my ubuntu vivid install, but it looks weird: http://imgur.com/mi9tmoN - all the icons are badly scaled up, and some fonts are badly rendered
[11:58] <mparillo> alvin: It looks to be added: Remote bug watches     kde-bugs #336089    [UNCONFIRMED]. IIRC, all you need to do is paste the full URL of the KDE bug into the Launchpad bug, and after an hour or two, it automagically shows up in the remote bug watch.
[11:59] <greyback> would appreciate any ideas. Have dug into menus, DPI unchanged, font sizes are 10-11
[12:02] <alvin> mparillo: I see. Well, that's easier than I thought.
[12:03] <soee> greyback: check if you have maybe installed appmenu-qt5
[12:03] <greyback> soee: I have. that the culprit??!
[12:03] <soee> greyback: remove it, relogin and give us info if that was the problem
[12:05] <greyback> soee: no change
[12:06] <soee> hmm
[12:06] <soee> greyback: did you do fresh install or maybe upgrade from previous version ?
[12:07] <soee> greyback: did you reboot or relogin after this package we talked about was removed ?
[12:08] <greyback> soee: I installed vivid a few months ago. I do unity8 development so it's my test machine - so unity8 is there too. I just now installed kubuntu-desktop and tried logging in, and that's what I see.
[12:08] <greyback> it possible unity8 stuff sets some env which screws up kde
[12:08] <soee> greyback: might be
[12:08] <greyback> soee: I'll look into it
[12:09] <soee> this looks more like some DPI issues
[12:09] <greyback> aha QT_DEVICE_PIXEL_RATIO=2 is set
[12:09]  * greyback didn't set that
[12:10] <greyback> no, it appears I did
[12:10] <greyback> soee: sorry, user error
[12:10] <soee> :)
[12:29] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:11] <sailoreal> Shall I select "Encrypt my home folder" when I install?
[13:11] <hateball> If you want your home folder to be encrypted
[13:12] <BluesKaj> sailoreal, why, is your data going to be "sensitive"?
[13:12] <sailoreal> Idk
[13:12] <sailoreal> Is it recommended to select it+
[13:13] <sailoreal> ?*
[13:15] <sailoreal> well I will skip it
[13:22] <BluesKaj> sailoreal, if you're a home user then it's probly not necessary to encrypt
[13:22] <sailoreal> k
[13:22] <sailoreal> Is it possible to install skins?
[13:23] <sailoreal> Like this (soee) sent to another user yesterday: http://wstaw.org/m/2015/03/26/workspace18.png
[13:23] <BluesKaj> !skins
[13:24] <BluesKaj> there are diffrent schemes and colours etc
[13:24] <sailoreal> Ok how do I install one like this; http://wstaw.org/m/2015/03/26/workspace18.png
[13:26] <BluesKaj> sailoreal, look in kmenu>system-settings>app and appearance
[13:26] <sailoreal> Ok thanks
[13:26] <sailoreal> When I have installed I need to restart, shall I boot to Kubuntu, or boot with the USB?
[13:28] <BluesKaj> boot to kubuntu, it will be installed, this isn't windows
[13:29] <sailoreal> so not boot with the USB? (kubuntu usb)
[13:29] <BluesKaj> no need
[13:29] <sailoreal> Ok, then I have 2 more questions...
[13:30] <sailoreal> When I open KDE partition manager there is a lock beside the kubuntu partitions
[13:30] <sailoreal> why?
[13:30] <fuzzymonkey> I could be wrong.. But i think it's because you can't edit a partition that is mounted (in use)
[13:31] <sailoreal> But soee can: http://wstaw.org/m/2015/03/26/workspace18.png (no lock)
[13:31] <fuzzymonkey> what's soee?
[13:32] <sailoreal> soee is an IRC user
[13:32] <fuzzymonkey> oh ok
[13:32] <sailoreal> do you have a lock beside it fuzzymonkey ?
[13:32] <fuzzymonkey> i'm checking to see if i  have a lock...
[13:32] <sailoreal> Thanks!
[13:33] <sailoreal> KDE Partition Manager
[13:33] <fuzzymonkey> yes i have locks
[13:33] <sailoreal> Is it normal?
[13:33] <fuzzymonkey> near all the partitions that are currently mounted
[13:33] <fuzzymonkey> yes i think that's normal
[13:33] <sailoreal> You're using 14.10 Plasma 4?
[13:33] <sailoreal> Kubuntu
[13:33] <fuzzymonkey> you can't change a partition that is in use
[13:34] <fuzzymonkey> yup 14.10
[13:34] <fuzzymonkey> plasma 4
[13:34] <sailoreal> ok, then one more question
[13:34] <sailoreal> or two
[13:34] <fuzzymonkey> but my desktop looks different to your desktop (in the picture you sent)
[13:34] <sailoreal> Thats not my desktop
[13:34] <sailoreal> it's soee's
[13:34] <fuzzymonkey> oh ok
[13:34] <sailoreal> 1. Is it normal that Kubuntu ask for password when I open KDE Partition Manager?
[13:34] <fuzzymonkey> yes
[13:34] <sailoreal> Or update the system'
[13:35] <sailoreal> ?*
[13:35] <hateball> Yes
[13:35] <fuzzymonkey> totally normal
[13:35] <fuzzymonkey> because you are changing important parts of your system
[13:35] <sailoreal> Ok, second question; is 14.10 a LTS version?
[13:35] <fuzzymonkey> you wouldn't want to casually remove or shrink a partition with important files on it!
[13:36] <hateball> !lts
[13:36] <sailoreal> Is it safe to install 14.10 updates? Would it mess up or broke something?
[13:36] <fuzzymonkey> ubottu is right
[13:36] <sailoreal> even if it isn't LTS
[13:37] <fuzzymonkey> I have 14.10 and encountered no problems
[13:37] <sailoreal> What's the difference between LTS and non-lts?
[13:37] <fuzzymonkey> pretty much just stay on 14.04 if you require slightly older versions of software
[13:37] <BluesKaj> sailoreal, read the post  above
[13:38] <sailoreal> I just wanna use Konversation and Firefox
[13:38] <sailoreal> Is 14.10 best then? Or 14.04?
[13:39] <BluesKaj> there's no best , 14.10 is the latest , 14.04 is meant for long term workplace typeinstalls
[13:39] <rfjaf3> hello
[13:39] <sailoreal> I'm a beginner, I can't choose
[13:39] <sailoreal> help me choose ;)
[13:39] <rfjaf3> thanks for this awesome distro!
[13:40] <rfjaf3> sailoreal: what did you prefere? stability or newest features?
[13:41] <sailoreal> rfjaf3: both
[13:41] <BluesKaj> sailoreal, 14.10 is solid and stable , 14.04 is LTS but it has some bugs in my experience
[13:41] <sailoreal> as long as it doesn't mess up or break something, or causes problems
[13:41] <sailoreal> Does 14.10 does it?
[13:42] <fuzzymonkey> I have run both versions
[13:42] <fuzzymonkey> Both are stable (but this is just my personal experience)
[13:42] <rfjaf3> sailoreal: i asked for a reason. Then try for most recent features&design the 15.04 daily build. If its too unstable, try 14.10. That should be fuilly stable. If its also too unstable for you, take 14.04 LTS
[13:42] <fuzzymonkey> Yes you can just try both
[13:42] <BluesKaj> sailoreal, we're not here to hold your hand , you can decide from what we've already told you
[13:42] <fuzzymonkey> it's pretty fast to install
[13:42] <sailoreal> ok, and in 14.10, shall I install updates?
[13:43] <fuzzymonkey> Yes always install updates
[13:43] <sailoreal> k thanks!
[13:44] <rfjaf3> sailoreal: of course. ALWAYS install upodates. For security reason thats extremey important
[13:44] <sailoreal> last thing; why is it a "KDE Plasma Workspace" button when I sign in? (clickable)
[13:44] <sailoreal> rfjaf3: just when it asks or regualrly do sudo apt-get updates
[13:44] <sailoreal> *regularly
[13:45] <fuzzymonkey> You mean the little blue icon that appears on the panel?
[13:45] <sailoreal> no
[13:45] <sailoreal> the button
[13:45] <sailoreal> under the password field
[13:45] <fuzzymonkey> Oh you're talking about login - sorry my brain is fuzzy
[13:46] <fuzzymonkey> "KDE Plasma Workspace" i think is just telling you what graphical environment you are going to use
[13:46] <fuzzymonkey> KDE Plasma is the default for Kubuntu.. you could install others if you want.
[13:46] <sailoreal> Ok, shall I regularly do sudo apt-get updates?
[13:47] <rfjaf3> sailoreal: yes
[13:47] <rfjaf3> but normaly the build in updater is already doing that for you
[13:48] <sailoreal> You know the text on the upper side of the kubuntu start menu? The whole username and computer name is not displayed. is it normal? does it matter?
[13:48] <fuzzymonkey> rfjaf3 - the built in updater is only giving a notification.. and not automatically installing the updates, right?
[13:48] <rfjaf3> fuzzymonkey: yes. Its not windows :p
[13:49] <sailoreal> ;)
[13:49] <fuzzymonkey> rfjaf3: Cool. Been using Kubuntu for years and was worried that i somehow had it configured weirdly.
[13:49] <sailoreal> You know the text on the upper side of the kubuntu start menu? The whole username and computer name is not displayed. is it normal? does it matter? fuzzymonkey
[13:50] <fuzzymonkey> on my computer that information displays on the bottom of the kickoff menu (start menu)
[13:51] <sailoreal> on my, it's on the upper side
[13:51] <fuzzymonkey> Maybe i changed some setting and forgot about it
[13:51] <sailoreal> "Name (username) on computer-name"
[13:51] <fuzzymonkey> or maybe i  have a different version of KDE Plasma
[13:51] <sailoreal> Is it normal that the whole text isn't displayed?
[13:51] <sailoreal> Does it matter?
[13:51] <fuzzymonkey> Nah i don't think so
[13:52] <sailoreal> what don't you think? Isn't it normal?
[13:52] <fuzzymonkey> Lol sorry, i wasn't clear. I meant that i don't think it matters.
[13:52] <sailoreal> Ok is it normal?
[13:52] <sailoreal> ;D
[13:53] <fuzzymonkey> I have 3 machines running Kubuntu + my wifes laptop
[13:53] <fuzzymonkey> they all appear the way i described (bottom of kickoff menu)
[13:53] <fuzzymonkey> with the full computer name
[13:53] <fuzzymonkey> sooo i guess it's not normal
[13:53] <fuzzymonkey> do this:
[13:53] <sailoreal> https://userbase.kde.org/images.userbase/thumb/f/fe/Kickoff_Menu_Style.png/300px-Kickoff_Menu_Style.png
[13:53] <fuzzymonkey> open a terminal
[13:54] <fuzzymonkey> type hostname and hit enter
[13:54] <fuzzymonkey> does it show the correct computer name?
[13:54] <sailoreal> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/Kubuntu_10.10_main_menu.png
[13:54] <sailoreal> lemme check
[13:54] <sailoreal> yes it does
[13:54] <sailoreal> but it's a long name
[13:55] <sailoreal> "abcdefghijog-computer" abcd... = my name
[13:55] <fuzzymonkey> well... that's your computer name
[13:55] <sailoreal> yes
[13:56] <sailoreal> and it does not displays the whole computer name
[13:56] <sailoreal> is it normal?
[13:56] <BluesKaj> sailoreal, you can change it in /etc/hostname
[13:56] <fuzzymonkey> not displayed in terminal or not displayed in kickoff menu (start menu)?
[13:56] <sailoreal> I dont want to change my computer name
[13:56] <sailoreal> kickoff menu, fuzzymonkey
[13:56] <fuzzymonkey> maybe the name is too long to fit??
[13:56] <sailoreal> yeah
[13:56] <sailoreal> is it normal then?
[13:57] <fuzzymonkey> well.. yes
[13:57] <sailoreal> would you recommend me to change?
[13:57] <fuzzymonkey> it's fine
[13:57] <sailoreal> Ok the LAST question now
[13:57] <fuzzymonkey> if the name of the computer is important, then the system will use the correct full name that you saw with the hostname command
[13:57] <sailoreal> ?
[13:58] <sailoreal> you mean I will see the full name when I do "hostname"?
[13:58] <fuzzymonkey> (btw sorry earlier i was incorrect, my wifes computer shows user name + computer name at the top of the kickoff menu.. like your computer)
[13:58] <sailoreal> ok
[13:58] <sailoreal> you mean I will see the full name when I do "hostname"?
[13:59] <fuzzymonkey> yes
[13:59] <fuzzymonkey> as far as i know
[13:59] <fuzzymonkey> that is the name of your computer
[13:59] <sailoreal> Cause I do, but not in kickoff menu
[13:59] <fuzzymonkey> in its entirety
[13:59] <sailoreal> so its normal that it doesn't fit in the kickoff menu?
[14:00] <fuzzymonkey> it's only normal if the name is really long.. I guess you have a really long computer name
[14:00] <BluesKaj> sailoreal, did you choose a name for your pc during the instalkl or did you go with the default suggested in the pc name field?
[14:00] <BluesKaj> err install
[14:00] <sailoreal> I choose a name when I installed
[14:01] <sailoreal> "noahhedlund-computer"
[14:01] <BluesKaj> then that's the name that will show in the terminal prompt
[14:01] <sailoreal> Yes, but it is too long for the kickoff menu...
[14:01] <sailoreal> thats normal?
[14:02] <sailoreal> "noahhedlund on noahhed"
[14:02] <sailoreal> when it should be "noahhedlund on noahhedlund-computer"
[14:02] <sailoreal> is it normal, BluesKaj ?
[14:02] <fuzzymonkey> sailoreal i wouldn't worry about "normal" Kubuntu and Linux based operating systems in general are usually about customising and individualising to some degree. If the name doesn't fit fully in the kickoff menu.. then that's how it is on your PC
[14:03] <BluesKaj> then change it in /etc/hostname , alt+F2, kdesudo kate/etc/hostname
[14:03] <BluesKaj> then save the fiel after making the cjange
[14:03] <sailoreal> do I need to change it? or is it normal that it doesn't fit?
[14:03] <fuzzymonkey> Or just change it like BluesKaj said
[14:03] <sailoreal> fuzzymonkey: I worry about that xD
[14:03] <fuzzymonkey> sailoreal.. don't worry! :)
[14:04] <BluesKaj> that's trivial, don't worry about it
[14:04] <fuzzymonkey> nothing will go wrong because the name can't fit in the kickoff menu
[14:04] <rfjaf3> bye@all
[14:04] <fuzzymonkey> if something goes wrong.. there will be some other reason
[14:04] <sailoreal> but do you think it's normal? xD
[14:04] <fuzzymonkey> byte rfjaf3
[14:04] <BluesKaj> yes it'
[14:04] <BluesKaj> gawd
[14:04] <sailoreal> Thanks. One LAST thing as said
[14:04] <fuzzymonkey> looool
[14:04] <fuzzymonkey> sailoreal why do you care what we think?
[14:05] <fuzzymonkey> It's your computer
[14:05] <fuzzymonkey> do what you want
[14:05] <fuzzymonkey> i mean.. unless it's broken. of course in that case you could ask for help/advice... that's what i do.
[14:06] <sailoreal> one more ´thing: any ideas what skin this is? http://wstaw.org/m/2015/03/26/workspace18.png
[14:06] <fuzzymonkey> It looks cool
[14:06] <sailoreal> yeah ;D
[14:06] <fuzzymonkey> Is that Plasma 5??
[14:06] <sailoreal> Idk¨
[14:06] <sailoreal> It's soee's pic
[14:06] <fuzzymonkey> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=kde+plasma+5&t=canonical&iax=1&ia=images
[14:07] <sailoreal> I'm using Plasma 4
[14:07] <sailoreal> ;(
[14:08] <sailoreal> I want to get it, or a similar
[14:08] <fuzzymonkey> Hmm
[14:08] <fuzzymonkey> well you could at least get different themes for plasma 4.. maybe some style that you like
[14:08] <fuzzymonkey> as far as i know plasma 5 is still pretty cutting edge
[14:08] <fuzzymonkey> so that means lots of fancy features.. but not 100% stable
[14:09] <sailoreal> I don't want to use a tech preview...
[14:09] <sailoreal> anyway is there any similar ones for plasma 4?
[14:09] <fuzzymonkey> from the website... Plasma 5
[14:09] <fuzzymonkey> This is the first release of Kubuntu with the next generation of desktop from KDE, Plasma 5. It has plenty of known bugs and missing features, see below, but also plenty of lovely new features. The Plasma 5.0 release announcement has more information.
[14:10] <sailoreal> anyway is there any similar ones for plasma 4?
[14:10] <fuzzymonkey> i don't know
[14:10] <fuzzymonkey> have a look
[14:10] <fuzzymonkey> in system settings go to "Desktop Theme"
[14:11] <fuzzymonkey> and then there's a button to download more themes
[14:11] <sailoreal> oh no...
[14:11] <sailoreal> something happened
[14:11] <fuzzymonkey> system settings > workspace appearance > desktop theme > get new decorations
[14:12] <fuzzymonkey> ?? what happened
[14:12] <sailoreal> the brightness is super dark!!!!!!!
[14:12] <sailoreal> can't adjust it
[14:12] <fuzzymonkey> hahaha
[14:12] <fuzzymonkey> are you on a laptop?
[14:12] <sailoreal> I didn't do anything
[14:12] <sailoreal> yes
[14:12] <fuzzymonkey> that happened to me a few times
[14:12] <fuzzymonkey> so weird
[14:12] <sailoreal> How do I fix it?
[14:12] <fuzzymonkey> so the buttons don't work for brightness adjustment?
[14:12] <sailoreal> it's not the first time
[14:12] <sailoreal> no
[14:12] <fuzzymonkey> give me a second...
[14:13] <sailoreal> ofc
[14:13] <fuzzymonkey> go to system settings > power management
[14:13] <fuzzymonkey> in there do you see a slider for adjusting brightness?
[14:14] <cgonzalez> hello kubunters :)
[14:14] <cgonzalez> i've just installed kubuntu 15.04 beta2
[14:14] <fuzzymonkey> hey cgonzalez
[14:14] <cgonzalez> plasma5 is gorgeous!!
[14:14] <fuzzymonkey> oooo i'm jealous!
[14:14] <fuzzymonkey> Any stability issues?
[14:14] <cgonzalez> but i have a problem with the digital clock applet
[14:14] <sailoreal> fuzzymonkey: yes and it's 100%
[14:14] <cgonzalez> stability is good
[14:15] <cgonzalez> almost no crashes so far
[14:15] <fuzzymonkey> sailoreal, move the slider down.. hit apply, then move it back up, hit apply again.
[14:15] <sailoreal> fuzzymonkey: didn't work
[14:15] <cgonzalez> but digital clock shows the time with 1 hour of diference
[14:15] <sailoreal> this happens pretty often, tired of it
[14:16] <cgonzalez> i've changed settings in systemsettings
[14:16] <cgonzalez> i've changed time in my BIOS
[14:16] <sailoreal> no way to fix it ?
[14:16] <cgonzalez> i've changed timezone
[14:16] <sailoreal> ;(
[14:16] <cgonzalez> i've enabled and disabled ntp
[14:16] <fuzzymonkey> cgonzales... i don't have plasma 5, but try this
[14:17] <fuzzymonkey> right click the clock, click digital clock settings.. then from in there make sure to set the correct time and timezone.
[14:17] <fuzzymonkey> i think those settings could be different to the main system clock for Kubuntu
[14:17] <fuzzymonkey> OR perhaps there is a bug that the KDE team are working on
[14:18] <cgonzalez> fuzzymonkey: i've tried that already
[14:18] <sailoreal> I'm tired of the dark brightness thing
[14:18] <cgonzalez> i've used my local timezone and utc-3
[14:18] <cgonzalez> nothing works :(
[14:18] <cgonzalez> i'm almost sure that this is a bug
[14:18] <fuzzymonkey> sailoreal there is ALWAYS a way to fix. It might take a bit of googling or digging in the settings.
[14:19] <cgonzalez> my workaround for now is to set timezone as utc-2
[14:19] <cgonzalez> but the widget shows the timezone uder the actual time
[14:19] <cgonzalez> so it's not prety
[14:19] <sailoreal> fuzzymonkey: maybe I need to use the "air for netbooks" desktop theme?
[14:20] <fuzzymonkey> waaaiit.. this whole time... was the screen brightness really low.. or was it just a theme with dark colours?
[14:20] <sailoreal> would that help?
[14:20] <sailoreal> Coz I have a laptop/notebook
[14:20] <sailoreal> oh
[14:20] <sailoreal> it was default theme
[14:20] <sailoreal> dark screen
[14:21] <fuzzymonkey> so the display is still dark for any theme you select?
[14:22] <sailoreal> I have restarted the computer and it's fixed, but it will happen again if I leave it for some minutes
[14:22] <sailoreal> It happens SO often!!
[14:22] <fuzzymonkey> I think that's a power saver setting. But it should get bright again as soon as you touch the keyboard or trackpad.
[14:23] <sailoreal> nope
[14:23] <sailoreal> it doesn't
[14:23] <fuzzymonkey> well then that part is broken
[14:23] <fuzzymonkey> is your laptop a particularly new one?
[14:23] <BluesKaj> check powersettings in system settings
[14:23] <fuzzymonkey> sometimes really old laptops (and a couple of old ones) don't have 100% support in linux... in that case you would need to tweak or install a couple of things
[14:24] <sailoreal> on my computer, or the Kubuntu release?
[14:24] <sailoreal> oh
[14:24] <fuzzymonkey> sometimes really new* laptops (and a couple of old ones) don't have 100% support in linux... in that case you would need to tweak or install a couple of things
[14:24] <sailoreal> well, it's one year old
[14:24] <fuzzymonkey> also yes, double check power settings for anythign to do with backlight brightness or auto-dimming
[14:24] <sailoreal> HP EliteBook 2570p Base Model
[14:25] <sailoreal> is my computer broken, or the Kubuntu release?
[14:26] <fuzzymonkey> Neither is "broken" it's just that Kubuntu isn't working 100% on your laptop and might need to be tweaked a little bit
[14:26] <sailoreal> How?
[14:26] <sailoreal> btw I don
[14:26] <sailoreal> btw, I don't have KPackageKit on my Kubuntu
[14:26] <fuzzymonkey> remember the developers might have ever seen a HP EliteBook 2570p! So it's not surprise that only 99% of thinks work.. and not 100%
[14:27] <fuzzymonkey> what is KPackageKit?
[14:27] <sailoreal> shall it be included? (it's an installation program), do you have it?
[14:27] <cgonzalez> fuzzymonkey: KPackageKit is now called Apper
[14:27] <cgonzalez> but Kubuntu defaults to Muon
[14:28] <cgonzalez> as the official package manager
[14:28] <sailoreal> oh so how do I install Konversation?
[14:28] <fuzzymonkey> ohhh it's a package manager
[14:28] <fuzzymonkey> well i liek muon
[14:28] <cgonzalez> use Muon
[14:29] <fuzzymonkey> sailoreal.. not i do not have Apper(KPackageKit) but go ahead and install it if you want it
[14:29] <sailoreal> I will use Muon¨
[14:29] <sailoreal> k?
[14:29] <fuzzymonkey> That's fine
[14:29] <fuzzymonkey> Either one is probaly good
[14:29] <sailoreal> anyway what do you mean by tweaking?
[14:29] <sailoreal> for my laptop
[14:30] <fuzzymonkey> Personally i use "Software Center" and "muon". Both of them will download software/packages from the same place.. but "Software Center" kinda looks a bit more like an app store.. maybe that's better for new guys
[14:30] <fuzzymonkey> but there is no harm for you to use either of those
[14:31] <fuzzymonkey> or even KPackageKit if you want
[14:31] <sailoreal> fuzzymonkey: Muon is the only Software Center I have installed
[14:31] <sailoreal> included
[14:31] <sailoreal> And Muon looks like an app store
[14:31] <sailoreal> Muon Discover
[14:32] <fuzzymonkey> tweaking.. it just means to make changes to your system so that it works better.. and the way you want it to.
[14:32] <sailoreal> Ok how?
[14:32] <cgonzalez> sailoreal: Muon and Muon Discover are differents apps
[14:32] <sailoreal> Oh...
[14:32] <cgonzalez> try this: sudo apt-get install muon && muon
[14:32] <sailoreal> I dont have Muon...
[14:32] <fuzzymonkey> ah yes!
[14:32] <fuzzymonkey> sorry to be confusing
[14:32] <sailoreal> So I can't use Muon Discover?
[14:32] <cgonzalez> you can use both
[14:32] <fuzzymonkey> Muon Discover.. i accidently called it "Software Center"
[14:33] <cgonzalez> under the hood, both uses apt-get
[14:33] <fuzzymonkey> yes you can use both.. that's what i do
[14:33] <sailoreal> Is Muon Discover the official and recommended way?
[14:33] <cgonzalez> i think it's more a personal preference
[14:33] <fuzzymonkey> the recommended way is whatever sailoreal likes
[14:33] <sailoreal> But it will install it the same way?
[14:33] <fuzzymonkey> yes..
[14:33] <sailoreal> ok
[14:34] <sailoreal> How do I tweak fuzzymonkey ?
[14:34] <fuzzymonkey> they will both run the apt-get commands behind the scenes
[14:34] <fuzzymonkey> "tweak" is just a term that i use
[14:34] <sailoreal> ok how do I do it?
[14:35] <fuzzymonkey> well.. by tweaking i just mean changing settings so that your computer runs better.. or jsut he way you like it
[14:35] <fuzzymonkey> do it could be anything
[14:35] <fuzzymonkey> maybe you edit the fstab file so the hard drive performs better
[14:35] <sailoreal> How do I fix the dark screen thing?
[14:35] <fuzzymonkey> or maybe you change power settings so your battery lasts longer
[14:35] <fuzzymonkey> or maybe you edit thunderbird configuration file so that it uses less memory
[14:35] <fuzzymonkey> in the case of your dark screen thing
[14:36] <fuzzymonkey> google can be helpful
[14:36] <cgonzalez> sailoreal: perhaps i'm late at this conversation, but do you have an nVidia video card?
[14:36] <fuzzymonkey> search for something like "Linux HP(model-of-your-laptop) backlight too dark"
[14:37] <fuzzymonkey> off the top of my head i don't know how to adjust brightness if they keys are not working + can't change in power management settings
[14:37] <fuzzymonkey> perhaps there is a driver you can install.. or maybe a command you can run
[14:38] <fuzzymonkey> actually.. open the kickoff menu.. and search for a program called "driver manager"
[14:38] <cgonzalez> i have a laptop with an nVidia video card and the bright control doesn't works out of the box
[14:38] <sailoreal> cgonzalez: Think so
[14:38] <cgonzalez> i need to tweak my xorg.conf file
[14:39] <sailoreal> cgonzalez: do you know how to fix it ?
[14:39] <cgonzalez> try this:
[14:39] <cgonzalez> sudo nvidia-xconfig
[14:40] <cgonzalez> this will create a new xorg.conf file
[14:40] <cgonzalez> then run this:
[14:40] <sailoreal> "command not found"
[14:40] <sailoreal> I dont have any installed drivers
[14:40] <cgonzalez> ouch, then you need to install the nvidia driver first
[14:40] <fuzzymonkey> sailoreal.. have you found the "Driver Manager" program?
[14:40] <sailoreal> yep
[14:41] <fuzzymonkey> Does it show anything for you nvidia card?
[14:41] <sailoreal> nope
[14:41] <sailoreal> nothin
[14:41] <fuzzymonkey> nothing??
[14:41] <sailoreal> no drivers
[14:41] <cgonzalez> sailoreal: run "lspci" from a Konsole
[14:41] <fuzzymonkey> what happens when you run this command? lspci | grep VGA
[14:42] <fuzzymonkey> does it show what graphics chip you have?
[14:43] <sailoreal> It says "VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09)"
[14:43] <fuzzymonkey> ohhh it seems like you have an intel card.. not an nvidia card
[14:43] <sailoreal> oh
[14:43] <sailoreal> ok...
[14:44] <fuzzymonkey> so that means cgonzalez solution wont work in your case
[14:44] <fuzzymonkey> bummer
[14:44] <sailoreal> ;(
[14:44] <cgonzalez> :(
[14:44] <sailoreal> how do I fix it then?
[14:44] <fuzzymonkey> naahh don't be sad
[14:44] <fuzzymonkey> did you try just googling?
[14:45] <sailoreal> yep
[14:45] <fuzzymonkey> oh hey i found this
[14:46] <fuzzymonkey> http://www.linlap.com/hp_elitebook_8540w
[14:46] <sailoreal> Im using 2570p
[14:46] <fuzzymonkey> i can't remember your exact model number.. but even if the model is similar, then the solution could still work
[14:46] <sailoreal> ok
[14:47] <sailoreal> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10689384/
[14:47] <fuzzymonkey> it says "You need to have a HAL FDI database including thi.... blah blah"
[14:47] <fuzzymonkey> the fuck is a HAL FDI database?
[14:47] <fuzzymonkey> more googling...
[14:48] <sailoreal> xD
[14:48] <cgonzalez> http://www.jonasknutsen.com/2013/10/17/adjusting-brightness-in-ubuntu-13-10-on-hp-elitebook/
[14:48] <cgonzalez> you need to add "acpi_backlight=vendor"
[14:48] <cgonzalez> to your grub
[14:48] <fuzzymonkey> OMG
[14:48] <fuzzymonkey> yes
[14:48] <sailoreal> But it should work to move the pointer/mouse?
[14:48] <fuzzymonkey> cgonzalez that sounds like it will work!
[14:48] <sailoreal> Thnnx btw
[14:49] <fuzzymonkey> sailoreal.. lets try the solution and see what happens
[14:49] <sailoreal> I'm using 2570p..
[14:49] <fuzzymonkey> try it anyway
[14:49] <sailoreal> ok
[14:50] <fuzzymonkey> you can't do much harm unless you completely mess up your grub file
[14:50] <sailoreal> is it normal that it ask for password when I use sudo?
[14:50] <fuzzymonkey> yes
[14:50] <fuzzymonkey> again because you are changing an important part of your system
[14:51] <fuzzymonkey> the grub file controls how Linux/Kubuntu will be loaded
[14:51] <sailoreal> Shall I use "write" key to save?
[14:51] <sailoreal> button*
[14:52] <sailoreal> writeout*
[14:52] <fuzzymonkey> yes
[14:52] <sailoreal> k
[14:52] <fuzzymonkey> i think thats ctrl+O
[14:53] <fuzzymonkey> then sudo update-grub and reboot
[14:53] <sailoreal> ok
[14:53] <fuzzymonkey> also wait for the command to finish completely.. i've seen one guy reboot before the command was done!
[14:53] <sailoreal> it said "done"
[14:54] <fuzzymonkey> well i guess you can reboot
[14:54] <sailoreal> ok
[14:54] <sailoreal> now we just have to wait
[14:54] <sailoreal> for it to be dark
[14:55] <fuzzymonkey> well don't bother waiting
[14:55] <fuzzymonkey> see if you can adjust the brightness lower/higher with the buttons
[14:55] <sailoreal> Yep, I  can!
[14:55] <fuzzymonkey> huzzah!
[14:56] <cgonzalez> :)
[14:56] <fuzzymonkey> When i figure out how to fix things on my laptop i like to safe the webpage so i can go back
[14:56] <fuzzymonkey> When i figure out how to fix things on my laptop i like to save* the webpage so i can go back
[14:56] <sailoreal> Is there anything else I need to change?
[14:57] <fuzzymonkey> for your brightness problem?
[14:58] <sailoreal> no, anything
[14:58] <fuzzymonkey> You mean like... If it were windows you should have antivirus.. that sort of thing?
[14:59] <sailoreal> No, something with buttons, or like the antivirus thing you said
[14:59] <sailoreal> or grub file etc.
[14:59] <fuzzymonkey> Ohh
[14:59] <fuzzymonkey> well the only thing you NEED to do is keep your software up to date
[15:00] <fuzzymonkey> everything else is mostly personal preference
[15:00] <sailoreal> I mean like the thing I just did...
[15:00] <sailoreal> changed grub file
[15:00] <fuzzymonkey> well that change was specifically for you (and other people with HP Elitebooks)
[15:01] <fuzzymonkey> If you have no other problems.. then there's nothing else you need to do
[15:01] <fuzzymonkey> you can just go ahead and use your laptop
[15:01] <sailoreal> antivirus? Is that recommended?
[15:01] <fuzzymonkey> not really
[15:02] <fuzzymonkey> honestly you don't need it
[15:02] <sailoreal> ok
[15:02] <fuzzymonkey> just like iphones don't need it
[15:02] <fuzzymonkey> the best way to stay safe from malware on linux is to follow these rules
[15:02] <fuzzymonkey> 1. keep your software up to date
[15:02] <sailoreal> last thing; do you know a fine plasma 4 kde kubuntu theme?
[15:02] <sailoreal> oh
[15:02] <sailoreal> continue ;)
[15:03] <fuzzymonkey> 2. only install software from the official repositories (the stuff you normall find in muon!)
[15:03] <sailoreal> k
[15:03] <sailoreal> muon discover you mean?
[15:03] <fuzzymonkey> muon.. or muon discover.. it's all the same thing
[15:04] <BluesKaj> sailoreal, click on get themes in app appearance, you'll see numerous choices ...decide for yourself
[15:04] <sailoreal> ok
[15:04] <fuzzymonkey> Also.. ofcourse with Linux/Kubuntu you are free to install stuff from anywhere you like! So if you find a PPA (a way to get software from other places) then it's up to your judgement to decide if it's safe or not
[15:05] <sailoreal> thanks everyone!
[15:05] <fuzzymonkey> no problemo :)
[15:06] <cgonzalez> :)
[15:06] <cgonzalez> now i need to reboot
[15:06] <cgonzalez> so good bye :)
[15:06] <fuzzymonkey> i'm going to sleep!
[15:07] <fuzzymonkey> bye!
[15:07] <cgonzalez> i think i'll come here more often from now
[15:07] <fuzzymonkey> hah yeah it's fun
[15:07] <fuzzymonkey> cya
[15:09] <sailoreal> Oh no
[15:09] <sailoreal> It's not solved
[15:11] <sailoreal> ;(
[15:12] <sailoreal> soee!!
[15:13] <sailoreal> Can you answer 2 questions?
[15:26] <fannymartinez> i just changed my root password in recovery mode.. how do i sync with my desktop..
[15:27] <fannymartinez> when i try to install something on the desktop says my password is incorrect. but it works via commandline
[15:28] <genii> fannymartinez: It won't take effect until you do a logoff-logon cycle
[15:29] <fannymartinez> genii: i was out in recovery mode. and rebooted then logged in do i need to reboot again?
[15:30] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[15:30] <genii> fannymartinez: Hang on, you said root password... root login is disabled in *buntu
[15:30] <genii> !root
[15:31] <fannymartinez> genii: then how do i install packages? i can do su - in commandline what about on desktop?
[15:31] <lordievader> fannymartinez: sudo apt-get <command>
[15:32] <fannymartinez> for example im trying to install the default wallpapers on kubuntu.. asking for authentication what do i do there
[15:33] <lordievader> fannymartinez: Your user password.
[15:34] <genii> fannymartinez: The first user created on install has admin rights by default and can use sudo
[15:34] <genii> All subsequent users do not have admin rights.
[15:34] <fannymartinez> genii, lordievader: damn... i always used root didnt think to use the user password
[15:35] <fannymartinez> thank you!
[15:35] <lordievader> !cookies | genii
[15:35]  * genii munches!
[15:38] <fannymartinez> anyone have opinions on desktop raid?
[15:38] <fannymartinez> i have 3 drives all 1TB
[15:39] <lordievader> fannymartinez: I have just finished setting up an lvm raid.
[15:39] <lordievader> LVM is rather neat.
[15:39] <fannymartinez> anyway to setup raid post install.. sorry if its a dumb question
[15:40] <lordievader> fannymartinez: With LVM you can define per logical volume what you want. A Raid 0, 1, etc.
[15:40] <fannymartinez> i want to do a performance boost.. already have an external drive for backup.. so was thinking raid 0
[15:42] <fannymartinez> lordievader: so where can i get instructions on setting up raid 0?
[15:42] <genii> Ew raid0
[15:42] <lordievader> fannymartinez: In LVM? https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/LVM#Striping_.28RAID0.29
[15:43] <fannymartinez> well im looking for the simplest option
[15:44] <lordievader> LVM is flexible.
[15:44] <rberg_> yeah 2 disk raid 0 doubles the chance losing data :( and personally I stick to the tried and true md raid
[15:45]  * rberg_ only likes lvm when using FDE
[15:46] <rberg_> I run 2 ssds in raid 1 on a desktop (I dont trust ssds at all)
[15:47] <fannymartinez> anyway to setup raid post install? all this seems like i have to reinstall..
[15:47] <lordievader> fannymartinez: For raid0, yes.
[15:47] <rberg_> for a OS its easiest to reinstall.. (very manual to do it otherwise)
[15:47] <lordievader> You can convert an existing install to raid1 though.
[15:49] <fannymartinez> i dont really want to reinstall at this point so how do i go about setting up raid 1
[15:49] <fannymartinez> although i dont recall a simple way to do raid 0 during install either
[15:50] <lordievader> fannymartinez: https://www.debian-administration.org/article/238/Migrating_To_RAID1_Mirror_on_Sarge
[16:27] <sailoreal> Can I just remove the Kubuntu partition if I want to uninstall Kubuntu?
[16:28] <lordievader> sailoreal: If you switch to Windows you should also let Windows repair the bootloader.
[16:29] <sailoreal> I wanna try Fedora instead... then? how?
[16:30] <lordievader> sailoreal: Install Fedora. They both use Grub.
[16:32] <sailoreal> But I need to format the partitions?
[16:32] <sailoreal> Will that be enough?
[16:32] <sailoreal> To uninstall Kubuntu?
[16:32] <sailoreal> remove*
[16:32] <BluesKaj> sailoreal, KDE is the same on Fedora as it is on Kubuntu for desktop themes and colours etc
[16:32] <lordievader> sailoreal: Yes.
[16:32] <sailoreal> k
[16:34] <BluesKaj> sailoreal, , check out , kde-look.org
[16:34] <NiceGuest> Hey :)
[16:35] <NiceGuest> If i install the beta 2 image of kubuntu can i simply upgrade when it leaves beta? or do i have todo a new install?
[16:36] <BluesKaj> NiceGuest, upgrade and dist-upgrade should take care of that, yes
[16:36] <NiceGuest> BluesKaj: Thank you :)
[16:36] <NiceGuest> Is beta 2 ready for dayli use?
[16:36] <NiceGuest> daily*
[16:37] <BluesKaj> for adventurous home users NiceGuest , but not a workplace pc
[16:37] <NiceGuest> okay
[16:47] <travnewmatic> well how is everyone doing today?
[16:47] <BluesKaj> fine here , and you travnewmatic?
[16:48] <travnewmatic> BluesKaj, swell
[16:48] <travnewmatic> past few days have been a whirlwind of KDE installation
[16:48] <travnewmatic> first with trusty, then up to vivid, and currently back on utoptic
[16:49] <k4n1> \clear
[16:49] <lordievader> o/
[16:49] <k4n1> \qui
[16:49] <travnewmatic> \o
[16:50] <BluesKaj> right, I have utopic and vivid on separate hdds
[16:51] <travnewmatic> yeah this is my work lappy
[16:51] <yossarianuk> <<< moved work and home desktops to 15.04 now...
[16:51] <travnewmatic> yossarianuk, well aren't you baller
[16:53] <travnewmatic> i'd be fine except pidgin and hexchat dont have their sexy new KDE 5 clothes
[16:55] <travnewmatic> i'm just looking forward to KDE 5 getting to the maturity of KDE 4
[16:57] <BluesKaj> travnewmatic, that's gonna take a while
[16:58] <travnewmatic> yeah i'm a teensy bit concerned about how put-together vivid is going to be in.. a month from now?
[16:59] <yossarianuk> travnewmatic: seems stable now really - lack of weather widget is a negative....
[16:59] <BluesKaj> kde5 doesn't exist as a DE yet
[16:59] <yossarianuk> kwin is faster for sure
[16:59] <Walex> travnewmatic: non-LTS releases are supposed to be "experimental"...
[17:06] <travnewmatic> sorry had to restart
[17:06] <travnewmatic> and yes i suppose that is true
[17:07] <MoonUnit`> shame the tray calendar isn't linked to korganizer in plasma5
[17:08] <travnewmatic> that sounds like a bug
[17:13] <MoonUnit`> there is plasma-widget-googlecalendar but i get "Depends: plasma-scriptengine-python  but it is not installable"
[18:11] <PetSounds> Hi. why KThesaurus is no longer available in 14.04?
[18:17] <Pici> PetSounds: Looks like Calligra stopped shipping it in its suite.
[18:19] <Pici> PetSounds: artha looks like it has similar features, and is in the repositories (but uses gtk), for a qt flavored thing goldendict with goldendict-wordnet looks like it might suffice.
[18:20] <Pici> artha: http://artha.sourceforge.net/wiki/images/c/cf/Screen_antonyms.png
[18:20] <Pici> goldendict: http://goldendict.org/screenshots.php?show=wordnet#pic
[18:23] <PetSounds> Pici: ahh i never realized that it was part of Calligra suite, i used to have KThesaurus installed without Calligra. As for Artha i have it installed but it shows different results from KThesaurus, although both may use the same dictionary. Thanks anyway for your suggestions.
[18:23] <Pici> PetSounds: np.
[19:25] <Cameron> hi, noob here, wanting to install kubuntu 14.10 on my laptop, dual boot with current windows 7 installation. Is anyone available to answer a few questions please?
[19:26] <travnewmatic> whatcha got
[19:26] <travnewmatic> thats actually my setup at the moment
[19:26] <travnewmatic> Cameron, what are you doing on my computer
[19:27] <lordievader> Cameron: Ask your questions ;)
[19:28] <travnewmatic> Cameron, we want to heeeeeeelllllpppp
[19:28] <Cameron> lol thanks all
[19:28] <Cameron> okay first question is about partition setup and where to install the boot loader
[19:28] <lordievader> Cameron: Do you have multiple disks?
[19:29] <Cameron> i shrank the windows partition and have 100 GB unallocated space now
[19:29] <Cameron> no lordievader, only one hdd
[19:29] <Cameron> so first question is what is the ideal partition setup i should use?
[19:30] <travnewmatic> with regards to the bootloader, i too only have one drive, for me i set it to sda
[19:30] <travnewmatic> i recommend / /home swap and /boot
[19:30] <lordievader> Cameron: Then install the bootloader to that disk.
[19:30] <Cameron> trav: how to much space to each?
[19:31] <lordievader> Cameron: If you are somewhat adventurous, I'd recommend LVM.
[19:31] <Cameron> Lord: to which sda to install the bootoader? the partitions start at sda4
[19:31] <Cameron> what is LVM?
[19:31] <Cameron> ?
[19:31] <lordievader> Cameron: The bootloader is installed to a disk, not a partition.
[19:32] <lordievader> LVM stands for Logical Volume Manager, it allows for a more dynamic partitioning of your disk.
[19:32] <travnewmatic> logical volume manager
[19:32] <Cameron> ok, let me get caught up to the partition screen in the installation and then check back in a few minutes so that i can ben looking at what you are describing. thanks!!
[19:32] <travnewmatic> yeah, ubuntu really needs to have a "use free space and set up my partitions automatically" option like fedora does
[19:32] <lordievader> For example if my / or /home is running out of disk space I can add some more disk space live.
[19:33] <travnewmatic> anyway
[19:33] <travnewmatic> i'll show you what my layout looks like
[19:33] <lordievader> travnewmatic: It has that option.
[19:33] <Cameron> trav: no kidding! I saw a vid where ubuntu 14 does this but the kubuntu does not :/
[19:33] <travnewmatic> from what i recall it has use entire drive, use entire drive with LVM, and use entire drive and set up encrypted lvm, and set up partitions manually
[19:34] <Cameron> yes correct
[19:34] <travnewmatic> total disk allocated to linux in my case is 500gb (half a tb hdd)
[19:34] <lordievader> Cameron: With tab you can autocomplete someone's nick ;)
[19:35] <travnewmatic> root (/) is 50gb
[19:35] <Cameron> lordievader: cool!
[19:35] <travnewmatic> home (/home) is 400gb
[19:35] <travnewmatic> swap is 3gb
[19:35] <Cameron> travnewmatic:  I only have 100gb available
[19:35] <travnewmatic> i know, just scale accordingly
[19:36] <Cameron> k
[19:36] <travnewmatic> boot (/boot) is 500mb
[19:36] <travnewmatic> are you familiar at all with what any of those locations do?
[19:36] <travnewmatic> i can esplain
[19:36] <lordievader> A separate /boot is not necessary, unless you do complex stuff.
[19:36] <Cameron> travnewmatic: nope!
[19:37] <travnewmatic> lordievader, it is in my case because you cant have /boot in an lvm volume group
[19:37] <travnewmatic> Cameron, alright
[19:37] <Cameron> sorry i am taking so long to get ready, i am running a memory test from the kubuntu install flash drive i made, to make sure everything is ok
[19:38] <lordievader> travnewmatic: Supposedly grub can boot from an lvm volume. But indeed with lvm having a /boot on a regular partition is easier.
[19:38] <travnewmatic> so, / is where all of your system and apps and everything is going to go, kinda like C: and Program files and all that
[19:38] <travnewmatic>  /home is the functional equivalent of Users on windows
[19:38] <Cameron> travnewmatic: ok then what is /home?
[19:38] <Cameron> jinx lol
[19:38] <travnewmatic> its where your home directory will be (eg "Cameron")
[19:39] <travnewmatic>  /boot is where the intial boot files are stored that get used by the bootloader
[19:39] <Cameron> anyone know how many tests the memory test runs? i am on #8 and it has been 68 minutes
[19:39] <travnewmatic> the kernel images and whatnot (as i understand it
[19:40] <travnewmatic> i think you're fine
[19:40] <Cameron> ok i will stop it
[19:40] <travnewmatic> i think it just runs forever if you dont stop it
[19:40] <travnewmatic> swap is virtual memory in linux land
[19:41] <travnewmatic> aka page files in windows
[19:41] <travnewmatic> its space on the hard drive that can get used like RAM in case you run out of psysical ram
[19:41] <Cameron> travnewmatic: ah ok
[19:41] <Cameron> ok starting install
[19:42] <travnewmatic> i think in my case the fedora installer saw that my laptop had 3gb of physical ram and used that as a basis for how much space to allot to swap
[19:42] <travnewmatic> now
[19:42] <travnewmatic> you could have all your shit rolled up into one / partition
[19:42] <travnewmatic> hell you could even forgo the swap altogether and have everything in just one partition
[19:42] <travnewmatic> that being /
[19:43] <travnewmatic> however, as is typically the case during automatic partition by the various linux installers
[19:43] <lordievader> Cameron: How much RAM does your system have?
[19:43] <Cameron> 4gb ddr3
[19:43] <lordievader> Hmm, I'd add at least some swap.
[19:43] <travnewmatic> the "norm" that i've seen is at least / and swap, with options for / /home and swap, and then everything each in their own partition
[19:43] <travnewmatic> yeah
[19:44] <lordievader> Depending on usage ofcourse.
[19:44] <lordievader> Cameron: Do you plan to use the hibernation feature?
[19:44] <travnewmatic> yeah use swap
[19:44] <travnewmatic> THE POINT IS i would suggest a separate home partitions becaaaause
[19:45] <travnewmatic> since system files are kept separate from your personal files
[19:45] <lordievader> It also makes reinstalling easier ;)
[19:45] <travnewmatic> you can format your system partition, reinstall the os, and leave the /home partition untouched, thereby leaving whatever music documents whatever intact
[19:45] <travnewmatic> yeah
[19:45] <travnewmatic> (system partition = /)
[19:45] <lordievader> Or have multiple OSes use the same /home.
[19:46] <travnewmatic> thats a good point lordievader
[19:46] <Cameron> lordievader: not likely. mostly just standby when lid closed
[19:46] <travnewmatic> i've never tried that but it sounds interesting
[19:46] <travnewmatic> Cameron, just make 4gb of swap
[19:47] <travnewmatic> it sounds like this isnt really your primary paritition anyway, so i dont think you'll be really wanting for disk space
[19:47] <travnewmatic> also, its super easy to browse your windows partition from within kubuntu (or any 'buntu i suspect)
[19:47] <travnewmatic> so you can transfer files and access whatever you've already got on the other side of the fence
[19:47] <Cameron> travnewmatic: nope not primary, just want to get familiar again then decide if i want to switch laptop to kubuntu as primary
[19:48] <travnewmatic> right
[19:48] <Cameron> ok i am disk setup screen
[19:48] <travnewmatic> well having the ability to access your files from windows makes the process a little less traumatic i think
[19:49] <Cameron> options are 1) guided-use entire disk 2)guided-use entire disk and setp lvm 3) same as 2 with encrypted lvm 4) manual
[19:49] <travnewmatic> manual
[19:49] <Cameron> i choose #4 correct?
[19:49] <travnewmatic> mhm
[19:51] <travnewmatic> 4gb swap
[19:51] <Cameron> ok now am on 'prepare partitions' step
[19:52] <travnewmatic> make sure you dont do anything with ntfw
[19:52] <travnewmatic> ntfs*
[19:52] <Cameron> i select the free space line and hit add, right?
[19:52] <travnewmatic> yup!
[19:52] <travnewmatic> order doesnt matter
[19:52] <Cameron> thanks. so first thing i add is 100 mb boot, right?
[19:52] <Cameron> i read order matters?
[19:52] <travnewmatic> naw, order doesnt matter
[19:53] <travnewmatic> i think some people are ocd about it, but functionally it doesnt make a difference
[19:53] <Cameron> also do i choose primary or logical as partition type?
[19:53] <travnewmatic> someone else want to weigh in on this one?
[19:53] <travnewmatic> boot should be primary
[19:53] <travnewmatic> i think
[19:54] <travnewmatic> the other ones can be logical
[19:54] <lordievader> Cameron: How many primaries do you have already?
[19:54] <travnewmatic> yeah you can only have a limited number of primary's but you can have an unlimited number of logicals
[19:54] <Cameron> lordievader: /dev/sda1 is 123 mb ntfs and /dev/sda2 is 200gb ntfs
[19:55] <Cameron> lordievader: so i guess i am not sure how to answer
[19:55] <lordievader> So two ;)
[19:55] <Cameron> lol
[19:55] <lordievader> Make /boot primary, rest logical.
[19:55] <travnewmatic> but does that indicate whether or not they are primary or logical?
[19:55] <travnewmatic> ^waht he said
[19:56] <travnewmatic> how would logical partitions look in the sd* naming scheme
[19:56]  * BluesKaj wonders why /boot is even needed
[19:57] <Cameron> ok so now have /sda3 /boot primary ext4 100mb. next?
[19:57] <lordievader> travnewmatic: The same.
[19:57] <travnewmatic> mmmmm
[19:57] <travnewmatic> alrighty
[19:57] <travnewmatic> i'd make boot bigger
[19:57] <Cameron> next is /?
[19:57] <lordievader> In this case /boot isn't neccessary.
[19:57] <Cameron> goal is dual boot with win7
[19:58] <lordievader> And 100mb is really tiny.
[19:58] <travnewmatic> just to give you some idea
[19:58] <travnewmatic> this is my /boot
[19:58] <Cameron> lol personally idc so what ever you recommend is what i will do :)
[19:58] <travnewmatic> size: 477M    used: 86M    avail: 362M    20%    /boot
[19:59] <Cameron> should i get rid of /boot or make it bigger?
[19:59] <travnewmatic> make 4gb of swap
[19:59] <lordievader> Cameron: Actually, get rid of it and make it /
[19:59] <travnewmatic> make 30gb of / ext4
[19:59] <travnewmatic> and make the rest /home
[19:59] <travnewmatic> that's what i'd do
[20:00] <Cameron> ok so 30gb / logical  |     66gb /home logical   |    4gb swap         correct?
[20:01] <travnewmatic> with all of my apps and then some installed  size:50G  used:6.6G   avail:41G  use:14% /
[20:01] <travnewmatic> that looks peachy
[20:01] <Cameron> k
[20:01] <travnewmatic> hmmmmmm
[20:01] <travnewmatic> what kind of laptop do you have
[20:02] <travnewmatic> make/model
[20:02] <travnewmatic> but as for right now, that partitioning scheme looks spot on
[20:03] <travnewmatic> the reason i asked about your laptop is because of wireless, i have an issue with mine where the ubuntu selected drivers fuck up my wireless and i need to hand pick them for things to work right
[20:04] <Cameron> travnewmatic: dell latitude e6410
[20:04] <Cameron> travnewmatic: wireless connected quickly in prior setup step
[20:04] <lordievader> travnewmatic: Please watch your language.
[20:05] <travnewmatic> noted
[20:05] <travnewmatic> and alrighty
[20:05] <travnewmatic> then you should be fine
[20:06] <travnewmatic> i was having issues with the open broadcom drivers
[20:06] <Cameron> ok last part on this step. "device for bootloader installation" ?
[20:06] <travnewmatic> sda
[20:06] <travnewmatic> just sda by itself
[20:06] <Cameron> travnewmatic: so the first option listed? /dev/sda?
[20:06] <travnewmatic> mhm
[20:06] <Cameron> k
[20:07] <Cameron> alright, started!
[20:08] <lordievader> Cameron: Good luck ;)
[20:08] <Cameron> lol thanks!
[20:08] <travnewmatic> i've had my eye on that laptop for a bit
[20:08] <travnewmatic> i'm using a donated from a friend Dell D620
[20:08] <travnewmatic> and 14.10 is quite responsive
[20:09] <travnewmatic> so you should be blazing with yours
[20:09] <Cameron> it is sitting on 33% for a while now. "creating ext4 file system for / in partition #5 of SCSI3 (0,0,0) (sda)
[20:10] <travnewmatic> just out of curiosity, have you installed linux before?
[20:10] <Cameron> travnewmatic: i sure hope so. was getting annoyed with how sluggish it wold get and windows explorer keeps restarting. something is defo wrong with the windows side
[20:10] <sailoreal> when I install updates it says "unknown state"
[20:10] <sailoreal> why??
[20:10] <sailoreal> oh
[20:10] <lordievader> sailoreal: Could you pastebin the full output?
[20:10] <sailoreal> wrong channel xD
[20:10] <Cameron> travnewmatic: yes but was 7+ years ago
[20:10] <Cameron> still on 33%. is that normal?
[20:11] <travnewmatic> Cameron, yeah thats odd, i've been fortunate to have my windows install behave fairly well
[20:12] <travnewmatic> well i hope you like KDE, i know i'm definitely a KDE convert (or should that be konvert...)
[20:12] <travnewmatic> KDE 5 is shaping up to be pretty sexy as well
[20:12] <Cameron> travnewmatic: kde is coming highly recommended so will give it a shot
[20:12] <Riddell> "Plasma 5"
[20:13] <Cameron> install is still on 33%. slide show is still playing
[20:13] <Cameron> has been about 6 minutes so far on 33%
[20:14]  * bprompt has been using kde for a really long while.... used to have kde 3
[20:14] <travnewmatic> s'cuse me yes "plasma 5" is the correct term
[20:14] <Riddell> :)
[20:15] <travnewmatic> bprompt, what are your thoughts on plasma 5?
[20:15] <travnewmatic> Cameron, hmmmm is the hard disk activity light doing anything?
[20:15] <rberg_> FWIW I upgraded to the kubuntu beta and Plasma 5 looks so nice, and the upgrade went smoothly (I was not expecting that because it was really hard to get that Macbook pro w/ hibred graphics running linux at all)
[20:15] <bprompt> haven't used it, I'm on 12.04 with kde 4.8.5
[20:15] <Cameron> travnewmatic: no the hdd light on the laptop is not on
[20:16] <bprompt> now, plasma will be "kwin", as opposed to kde per se, I use kde and run many kde apps, but I use lxde as window manager
[20:17] <travnewmatic> thats very interesting bprompt...  because faster?  more responsive?
[20:17] <travnewmatic> Cameron, hmm i dont know.. i haven't had an install hang like that before..
[20:17] <bprompt> travnewmatic:   yeap
[20:17] <Cameron> still on 33% what should i do?
[20:19] <bprompt> Cameron:     what are you installling anyway?
[20:19]  * lordievader goes to update his Vivid install.
[20:20] <Cameron> bprompt: kubuntu 14.10
[20:21] <bprompt> Cameron:    hmm why not 15.04 anyway?    we're already in april 2015
[20:21] <bprompt> and neither 14.10 or 15.04 are LTS
[20:22] <bprompt> well, we're not really in april yet, but about 4 days away :P
[20:22] <bprompt> so the 15.04 RC shoud be out by now
[20:22] <travnewmatic> dood there is still so much stuff broken in 15.04
[20:22] <Cameron> bprompt: no specific reason, it was just the dl link i was given by a friend
[20:22] <lordievader> travnewmatic: Vivid has been rather stable here.
[20:22] <travnewmatic> mmmm
[20:22] <bprompt> Cameron:    are you acquainted with what an LTS and a non-LTS are?
[20:23] <Cameron> lordievader: i have been stuck on 33% for 13 minutes now. what should i do?
[20:23] <travnewmatic> lordievader, hexchat didnt have the proper window border, nor did pidgin
[20:23] <Cameron> bprompt: nope
[20:23] <lordievader> travnewmatic: Did you file a bug?
[20:23] <lordievader> Cameron: What is it doing exactly?
[20:23] <travnewmatic> i have not
[20:23] <travnewmatic> this is for my work computer
[20:24] <Cameron> lordievader: sitting on 33%. slideshow is still running
[20:24] <travnewmatic> and i'm sure i'm not the only one wanting to use either of those apps on kde
[20:24] <lordievader> Cameron: Yes, but what is it doing?
[20:24] <travnewmatic> i dont have much experience filing bugs :(
[20:24] <bprompt> Cameron:    meaning, updates are provided for them, or updated packages as well. for a "L"ong "T"erm "S"upport,   as opposed to  14.10 or 15.04, which have support usually for a year, LTS have for 5years
[20:24] <lordievader> !bugs | travnewmatic
[20:25] <Cameron> lordievader: the step it on is 'creating ext4 file system for / in partition #5 of scsi3 0,0,0 sda"
[20:25] <lordievader> Hmm, well that's fun...
[20:25] <travnewmatic> well would this be a kde/kubuntu bug or a pidgin bug/hexchat bug
[20:25] <lordievader> Not really a step you'd want to interrupt.
[20:25] <bprompt> Cameron:   how long has it been on?
[20:26] <bprompt> Cameron:   on 33% that is
[20:26] <Cameron> bprompt: 16minutes
[20:26] <bprompt> Cameron:    yeah... that's too long, I'd kill it... and restart and do a manual partitionning
[20:27] <bprompt> heck, my 12.04 install, on an ssd, took 5mins flat, yes, 5mins, is not a typo, from boot to reboot
[20:27] <Cameron> bprompt: do you mean something different than what i did during the partition setup step?
[20:27] <travnewmatic> or be a totall sissy like me and install fedora to get it to do the automatic partitioning with lvm and then use those partitions for the ubuntu install
[20:28] <bprompt> I installed 14.04 a whle back.... took me roughly less than 10mins I recall as well
[20:29] <Cameron> So what is the consensus? Stop the installation by powering off laptop or wait longer?
[20:29] <bprompt> Cameron:     hmmm    I usually when it asks for the "partitioning" part, to use the whole hdd or such, I use [Manual], and do my own partioning, so I know who is where
[20:30] <bprompt> Cameron:    try ctrl-alt-del, wait about 45secs, if no dice, then do a force-shutdown by using the power button
[20:30] <travnewmatic> Cameron, i'd start the install over
[20:30] <travnewmatic> this is atypical
[20:30] <Cameron> bprompt: i did manual partition on that step
[20:30] <bprompt> Cameron:    how many partitions do you have in the hdd anyway?
[20:31] <Cameron> bprompt: only two for win7 and then /, /home, swap for kde
[20:31] <bprompt> hmm
[20:34] <bprompt> Cameron:   ok.... what's .... win7 I assume are on /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2   ..... yeah, restart over, go to [manual] partitioning, delete everything but the win7 parrtitions, you'd end up with "free space", from there, [create] your ext4 one, have it mount as "/", [create] another one, make a "swap"  keep an eye closely where the installer will put the "grub" at, make sure is at the /dev/sda device
[20:34] <travnewmatic> (or just make the fedora cd do it ;))
[20:34] <travnewmatic> (jk dont do that)
[20:34] <bprompt> Cameron:    I've had a few times the installer picking up /dev/sdb or something else before, so you have to check that closely before hitting "next"
[20:35] <Cameron> bprompt: thanks, what do you mean by that?
[20:36] <bprompt> Cameron:    where the "grub" boot manager goes, it should go to the "fixed disk", or usually /dev/sda
[20:36] <Cameron> bprompt: ok, that is where i told it to put it
[20:37] <bprompt> Cameron:   ok.... well.. restart and redo it, what cpu do you have?  how much ram?   how big is the .iso anyway?
[20:37] <Cameron> bprompt: 4bg ram, intel core i5, the iso is idk lol
[20:37] <travnewmatic> http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/latitude-e6410/pd
[20:38] <Cameron> yeah what trav posted lol
[20:40] <Cameron> ok restarted installation process, chose manual. on the prepare partitions screen it already has /dev/sda5 ext4 no mount point 30 gb. this is supposed to be /
[20:40] <Cameron> it has /dev/sda6 as no format type and no mount point
[20:40] <travnewmatic> go by the sizes
[20:40] <Cameron> it has /dev/sda7 as swap
[20:41] <travnewmatic> yeah
[20:41] <bprompt> hmmm
[20:41] <Cameron> travnewmatic: change them to the correct mount pioints?
[20:41] <travnewmatic> so the largest one you should set to /home, and check format
[20:41] <travnewmatic> yeah
[20:41] <travnewmatic> thats exactly right
[20:41] <bprompt> Cameron:    I'd hose the ext4 first...since we dunno what happend before, and delete also the swap one
[20:41] <bprompt> and redo them
[20:41] <Kariel> hello. can I adress problems on this IRC?
[20:43] <travnewmatic> yep!
[20:43] <bprompt> Cameron:     4gbs of ram, core i5,, meaning the ram is ddr3, so is clock of about 8200mhz or more... so is decently fast, the iso say it's 1.5gbs, I doubt it, but thereabouts,    shouldn't take more than 20mins
[20:43] <bprompt> Kariel:     come again?
[20:43] <travnewmatic> bprompt, yeah specs are more than sufficient
[20:44] <Kariel> I'm running Ubuntu turned to Kubuntu with Plasma 5, I have an issue - xorg process takes a whole thread of my CPU
[20:44] <bprompt> Cameron:   on the other hand, if you're going for a non-LTS, why not just get the latest? with the latest plasma?   15.04
[20:45] <Cameron> bprompt: comfort level on the dual boot i guess
[20:47] <bprompt> Cameron:    in case you dunno what the numbers mean,  "15" the year, 2015, "04", the month, 4th month = april,  as opposed to "14", 2014, "10", the 10th month = october,  so we're about 4days away from april, so the 15.04 would be at least in Release Candidate, which means is robustly stable by now, since it's just a few days from final release
[20:48] <travnewmatic> bprompt, i would not have characterized plasma 5 as roughly stable based on my usage yesterday
[20:48] <travnewmatic> the native kde apps look great = how they're supposed to look
[20:48] <bprompt> travnewmatic:    haven't used it myself, but seems lordievader has no issues with it
[20:49] <travnewmatic> i guess it depends on what apps you use
[20:49] <travnewmatic> if you're using kde everything yeah its all gravy and apps look sexy like they're supposed to
[20:49] <Cameron> should any of my partitions be primary or all logical?
[20:49] <travnewmatic> boot should be primary
[20:49] <travnewmatic> others should be logical
[20:49] <lordievader> I only use Vivid on testing machines.
[20:50] <bprompt> travnewmatic:   on the other hand, if one just needs latest kde, not necessarily "kwin", the plasma wouldn't be an issue, the plasma is a "kwin" feature more or less, and yes, I know you could run plasmoids on other window managers
[20:50] <Cameron> you guys told me not to have a /boot partition :)
[20:50] <lordievader> Production machines get Trusty here.
[20:51] <bprompt> "<lordievader> Production machines get Trusty here."   <---- travnewmatic    ok,so lordievader seems to not disagree somewhat with you then =)
[20:51] <travnewmatic> sorry :D
[20:51] <travnewmatic> then / should be primary
[20:52] <travnewmatic>  and /home can be logical
[20:52] <Cameron> err dang i already hit continue. do you think this is why it is hanging on 33%?
[20:52] <lordievader> Vivid is rather stable. I just do not like the idea of having development releases on production machines.
[20:53] <bprompt> Cameron:     as aforementioned, with your hardware specs, shouldn't be more than 20mins
[20:53] <Cameron> ok it is stuck on 33% again
[20:53] <Cameron> no hdd light
[20:53] <bprompt> heheh, the 33% bug =)
[20:53] <mu3en> hey everyone. is there any discussion on slow login times ongoing?
[20:54] <Cameron> is this because i don't have a /boot or a primary?
[20:54] <bprompt> Cameron:    I'd hose the ext4 first...since we dunno what happend before, and delete also the swap one
[20:54] <travnewmatic> lol
[20:54] <Cameron> bprompt: i did, i deleted all the prior partitions and started from new
[20:55] <travnewmatic> usb or dvd/cd
[20:55] <Cameron> usb
[20:55] <bprompt> Cameron:    and where's the "grub" installing to?    it should show on the screen
[20:55] <Cameron> okay third time. Would like consensus on using a /boot partition and what to designate as primary and what as logical :)
[20:56] <Cameron> bprompt: /dev/sda
[20:56] <bprompt> k
[20:57] <mu3en> do you specifically need logical drives?
[20:57] <Cameron> mu3en: idk
[20:57] <bprompt> Cameron:    how big is the your hdd?
[20:58] <Cameron> bprompt: 500gb, i have 100gb unallocated space for kde
[20:58] <bprompt> k
[20:58] <mu3en> what else is one the other 400G?
[20:58] <Cameron> mu3en: my windows7 OS
[20:59] <mu3en> does it show as a single NTFS partition?
[20:59] <travnewmatic> (there should be a couple, not just one)
[20:59] <bprompt> Cameron:    chances are, is not a GPT partition set, thus you're using the ol`  MBR boot system, which is limited to only 4 primary partitions,  anything other partitions after 4, must be logical, so, if you need more than 4 partitions, you'd need logical ones
[21:02] <bprompt> Cameron:     but in short, you could simply, make two, one for "/", and one for "swap", both primary, plus the 2 win7 ones, make 4, primaries, and the "home" folder will end up in the "/" partition
[21:02] <mu3en> yup, like bprompt says. 4 is max on MBR. and i suppose Windows is on 1 or 2 NTFS partitions on an MBR. Depending how much RAM is in the machine, you might be able to get away with just using a single primary partition for /
[21:06] <travnewmatic> the tiny 100gb ntfs partition on my machine is primary
[21:06] <travnewmatic> (windows 7)
[21:07] <travnewmatic> the larger ntfs windows 7 partition is also a primary partition
[21:07] <travnewmatic> the automatically fedora created /boot partition is primary
[21:08] <travnewmatic> the lvm partition that fedora automatically created is in an extended partition
[21:08] <Cameron> ok so what is the consensus? remember i am a noob here and sole goal is a functional dual boot laptop
[21:09] <travnewmatic> remake your usb with fedora 21
[21:09] <bprompt> Cameron:    2 re's,   restart, redo :)
[21:09] <bprompt> ehhehe
[21:09] <travnewmatic> use it to automatically partition the free space with lvm
[21:09] <Cameron> lol what?
[21:09] <Cameron> why isn't manual partition working?
[21:09] <Cameron> all the auto does is the same things the kde gui does
[21:09] <travnewmatic> once that install is finished, redo your usb with kubuntu and install into the partitions that fedora created
[21:10] <lordievader> Cameron: Perhaps you really need to get down to the nitty gritty and really do a manual partitioning.
[21:10] <bprompt> travnewmatic:     your case means, 3 primaries, and one extended, now the extended one, can have in theory any amount of logical ones, but you're still limited to only 4 partitions
[21:10] <Cameron> tbh that seems much more compl;icated and time consuming
[21:10] <travnewmatic> its time consuming but it works, thats how i did my current setup that i'm using to talk to you now
[21:10] <Cameron> i only have two primaries right now. How many primary do i need for kde?
[21:11] <bprompt> Cameron:     let us stick with ...hmmm  so... what do you think about getting 15.04 anyway?
[21:11] <Cameron> lordievader: that is what i have been doing in the install and it keeps hanging
[21:11] <lordievader> Cameron: No, you let the installer do it for you.
[21:11] <bprompt> Cameron:   I mean, since you're going to bother reinstalling, might as well get the latest
[21:11] <travnewmatic> lordievader, theres not an auto install free space in kubuntu at this point
[21:12] <Cameron> bprompt: i would like to use 14.10 end of/ thx :)
[21:12] <bprompt> heheh
[21:12] <bprompt> k
[21:12] <bprompt> Cameron:    ok... let us restart then.... reboot, go back in to the install, do a [manual] on partitiioning, hose everything BUT the win7 partiions, and we'll take it from there :)
[21:13] <Cameron> bprompt: thx mate. so when you say manual do you mean with some other method than the install process?
[21:14] <bprompt> Cameron:   yes, usually there's a "use whole space" such and such, as travnewmatic  mentioned
[21:14] <travnewmatic> since you're using a usb the only thing you'd be wasting is time :D and not dvds
[21:15] <travnewmatic> make a fedora 21 install usb and get that to do the automatic partition creation in the free space
[21:16] <bprompt> Cameron:    When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.  ~~ Sherlock Holmes, The Sign of Four Mistakes are always initial.  ~~
[21:17] <travnewmatic> srsly, just get fedora to do it for you and save yourself the trouble
[21:17] <travnewmatic> plus you get to see what another distro looks like!
[21:18] <Cameron> lol ok but doesn't it seem silly that a different distro is required to install this distro on a mainstream laptop?
[21:18] <bprompt> The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.   ~~ George Bernard Shaw ~~
[21:18]  * bprompt ducks
[21:19] <lordievader> travnewmatic: You do realize that you are in #kubuntu right?
[21:19] <mu3en> grin
[21:19] <Cameron> my preference is that we get kubuntu to install using kubuntu
[21:19] <mu3en> logical.
[21:20] <mu3en> it's also about 5 clicks to do the manual way with kubuntu
[21:20] <bprompt> hmm nothing wrong with recommending fedora, is a good distro
[21:20] <Cameron> also, tried third time. 500mb /boot primary, 30gb / logical, 70 gb /home logical, 4gb  swap. selected format on each, still hung on 33%
[21:21] <mu3en> oh
[21:21] <mu3en> that sounds kinda overkill
[21:21] <Cameron> is it possible my iso is bad? or my sb is bad? my hdd does work. win7 still loads just fine
[21:21] <bprompt> I ran... fedora 14, for a while, tis good, and the Redhat guys are very efficient, and profitable as well
[21:22] <Cameron> is there anything i should check on the hdd from the windows side? or anything i should do? like wipe free space etc
[21:22] <mu3en> that looks like too many partitions maybe
[21:22] <lordievader> Cameron: Could be, have you tried Trusty?
[21:22] <Cameron> lordievader: idk what Trusty is
[21:22] <bprompt> Cameron:   trusty meaning, 14.04 btw, as opposed to 14.10
[21:23] <mu3en> sounds like the issue is just paritioning
[21:23] <bprompt> so..  trusty is the previous version before 14.10
[21:23] <Cameron> i can dl it 14.04 if we think that wold help
[21:23] <mu3en> yeah
[21:23] <lordievader> Cameron: 14.-4
[21:23] <lordievader> 14.04*
[21:23] <mu3en> i doubt it
[21:23] <bprompt> Cameron:   difference being, trusty, or 14.40 is LTS, 14.10 isn't, as already mentioned
[21:23] <mu3en> KISS
[21:23] <Cameron> should i try that? then if it works, upgrade
[21:24] <bprompt> s/14.40/14.04/
[21:24] <mu3en> you have a drive with 500GB and teo NTFS primary paritions
[21:24] <Cameron> it seems like no matter what i choose for the first partition, the installer hangs while trying to format it
[21:24] <travnewmatic> lordievader, lol i do!
[21:24] <Cameron> mu3en: correct
[21:24] <travnewmatic> but the kubuntu partitioner isnt working as it should!
[21:24] <mu3en> so just put two priomary paritions in the remaing 100 GB
[21:25] <mu3en> make 1 /  (all the space) 1 swap (2 X RAM size)
[21:25] <Cameron> mu3en: do you think that will let it get past trying to "create the ext4 file system" it currently hangs on?
[21:25] <bprompt> Cameron:     did you hose it first?   that is, did you "delete" the ext4 there?   everything BUT the win7 partitions that is, a parrot on my shoulder is sorta telling me you didn't
[21:25] <lordievader> travnewmatic: parted ftw :D
[21:25] <mu3en> like bpromt says
[21:26] <Cameron> bprompt: yes, i said above that i deleted all the partitions
[21:26] <mu3en> so after delete all non-windows partitions, then apply and reboot
[21:26] <Cameron> mu3 ok
[21:27] <bprompt> yeap
[21:27] <mu3en>  (because if you did it a few times, the kernel sometimes can't see the new structure) once you get back in to the partitioner
[21:27] <Cameron> should i will boot to windows, delete the partitions, and then restart the installer
[21:27] <bprompt> apply, if any, usually is done automatically, but that may depend on the installer I gather
[21:27] <mu3en> up to you, i would use the licve cd and the paritioner in that
[21:27] <bprompt> Cameron:    sure, that'd work too
[21:28] <Cameron> ok cool brb
[21:29] <travnewmatic> i've never had an install go this wonky from the get go :(
[21:30] <mu3en> not so much recently at least
[21:30] <travnewmatic> yeah
[21:30] <mu3en> but hey, windows.
[21:30] <mu3en> grin
[21:30] <bprompt> travnewmatic:     that's because you used fedora =) , it depends..... oftent times is just "pebkac"
[21:31] <travnewmatic> i've installed debian, fedora, centos, ubuntu, multiple times
[21:32] <travnewmatic> never had the partitioner fail or hang like this
[21:32] <bprompt> same here, I'd one kubuntu as well, 9x, 10.x, 11.x, 12.x, 14.x, just fine as well
[21:32] <bprompt> s/one/installed/
[21:33] <lordievader> travnewmatic: No Gentoo? :(
[21:33] <travnewmatic> haven't touched gentoo
[21:35] <lordievader> :(
[21:35] <bprompt> hehe,I've used 'gentoo' file manager, way back in SuSE =)
[21:36] <travnewmatic> those weird rolling release distros
[21:36] <travnewmatic> :D
[21:36] <travnewmatic> gentoo works like that right?
[21:37] <travnewmatic> yeah it is
[21:37] <travnewmatic> i think if i got into any other distro it'd be arch
[21:37] <mu3en> like arch. but then crazy.
[21:37] <travnewmatic> :D
[21:38] <travnewmatic> how so?
[21:38] <mu3en> gentoo is defintely for the tweakers
[21:38] <travnewmatic> geek tweakers not breaking bad tweakers
[21:39] <mu3en> i feel like Arch just builds stuff with you know, sensible minimal defaults.
[21:39] <travnewmatic> mhm
[21:39] <lordievader> For those who want to use their devices to their full potential.
[21:39] <travnewmatic> mhm
[21:39] <mu3en> Gentoo is more "i don't really care, do what you want."
[21:39] <travnewmatic> uhuh
[21:40] <mu3en> and most of the time, i just don't really know or care enough
[21:40] <lordievader> Gentoo is lovely :)
[21:40] <mu3en> pretty sure if you really really know what you're doing, gentoo is awesome.
[21:41]  * travnewmatic does not
[21:41] <daemon_erebus> Is there any particular reason why when running "sudo apt-get upgrade" (from the terminal) that certain packages are held back but if you launch muon package managers the packages get installed?
[21:41] <lordievader> daemon_erebus: Perhaps muon executes apt-get dist-upgrade instead.
[21:41] <mu3en> upgrade vs. dist-upgrade
[21:42] <daemon_erebus> that seems a bit silly to me. has that always been that way ?
[21:43] <daemon_erebus> I was under the impression that a dist-upgrade was just that a distribution upgrade rather than a general software update
[21:43] <mu3en> me too, for a long time
[21:44] <lordievader> daemon_erebus: It is confusing, but apt-get dist-upgrade does not do a do-release-upgrade.
[21:44] <mu3en> aptitude's full-upgrade is more intuitive
[21:45] <daemon_erebus> well I suppose that answers that. Thanks lordievader & mu3en for the answers
[21:45] <travnewmatic> i'm still amazed by package management in the first place
[21:45] <travnewmatic> its one of the features of linux that i love telling people about
[21:46] <cameron> ok i am back. deleted partitions iin windows disk manager. restarted twice. now i am back in kubuntu installer and at prepare partititions step. goal is a dual boot with existing windows 7
[21:46] <daemon_erebus> I enjoy it myself, especially coming from a Windows environment and their Windows Update headache.
[21:46] <travnewmatic> welcome back cameron!
[21:46] <cameron> hi lol
[21:47] <travnewmatic> soooo make a 4gb swap extended
[21:47] <cameron> okay there are two existing primary ntfs partitions.
[21:47] <mu3en> yeah
[21:47] <mu3en> about that
[21:47] <travnewmatic> and then make a / primary and dump everything in that and call it a day :D
[21:47] <mu3en> maybe just bang two more primaries on there?
[21:47] <cameron> i have 4bg ram, shouldn't swap be 8192mb?
[21:48] <mu3en> one swap one / ?
[21:48] <bprompt> cameron:    ok, [create] two primary ones then, you'd be maxed out to 4, but tis ok, one for "/", ext4, and one for "swap"
[21:48] <mu3en> yeah
[21:48] <travnewmatic> you could if you wanna
[21:48] <mu3en> about double the RAM
[21:48] <travnewmatic> but under most situations, you're never going to use swap anyway
[21:48] <travnewmatic> 4 should be enough
[21:48] <travnewmatic> 8 is ecsessive
[21:48] <travnewmatic> excessive*
[21:48] <mu3en> i don't use swap, but it's 16GB machine
[21:49] <travnewmatic> ^case in point
[21:49] <mu3en> so for a 4G, 4G swap is enough probably
[21:49] <cameron> ok
[21:49] <bprompt> cameron:    with only 4gbs, 8gbs is ok.. .depends on what you run really, but in this case, you hdd is 500mbs, so might as well "have it and no need it, than need it and not have it"
[21:50] <cameron> bootloader goes in /dev/sda correct?
[21:50] <mu3en> but whatever. 4 or 8, it's on a spinning 500G disk, who cares.
[21:50] <mu3en> unless you are really short of space all the time or something
[21:51] <travnewmatic> i suspect for your use case, you're not going to max out 4gb of swap
[21:51] <mu3en> yes
[21:51] <cameron> ok hitting install now button
[21:51] <travnewmatic> DOOOO ITTTT
[21:51] <mu3en> oh. /dev/sda should be okay, not sure for the windows side, anyone?
[21:51] <travnewmatic> yeah
[21:51] <travnewmatic> thats what i did on mine
[21:52] <cameron> is hanging on 33% :/
[21:52] <bprompt> mu3en:    /dev/sda is fine, grub will pick up win7 is there, and will include it, the win7 partition will have the bootloader
[21:53] <travnewmatic> yep
[21:53] <mu3en> used to with XP at least
[21:53] <cameron> pity party at my laptop everyone's invited
[21:53] <travnewmatic> and assuming that you dont get stuck at 33% again
[21:53] <mu3en> haven't seen one recently
[21:53] <bprompt> cameron:     give it about....hmmm what' is it doing.. where is it hanging at?    copying files?
[21:53] <cameron> it is at 33% "creating ext4 file system for / partition..."
[21:54] <travnewmatic> you'll see the installer get to the grub part..  detect other operating systems
[21:54] <travnewmatic> man i love this game :D
[21:54] <cameron> no hdd ight
[21:54] <bprompt> cameron:    ok...  so...   ok....hmmmm give it about 5mins
[21:54] <cameron> iis there a manual partition tool in the advanced tools on the installer files?
[21:54] <travnewmatic> *cough* fedora usb *cough*
[21:54] <cameron> ok i wait
[21:54] <lordievader> cameron: Yes.
[21:55] <travnewmatic> cameron, yeah, its called fdisk
[21:55] <mu3en> it is a 90G partition
[21:55] <mu3en> that can take a long time
[21:55] <mu3en> in ext4
[21:56] <bprompt> cameron:    have you ever booted to a liveUSB session on that iso?   that is, press "try kubuntu" to load it ?
[21:56] <cameron> bprompt: noi
[21:56] <cameron> *no
[21:56] <mu3en> good question too, although, that does not explain failure at the parittion stage
[21:56] <tori> quick question - I'm testing Kubuntu 15.04, and can't add programs/scripts using the autostart interface. Against which project should I submit the bug?
[21:56] <bprompt> cameron:    ok... give it 5mins... 3mins left now, if it doesn't move, is stuck on some processing
[21:57] <travnewmatic> bprompt, can he ctl-alt-whatever to see the terminal where its doing all this stuff behind the scenes?
[21:57] <mu3en> can you run like top in another console?
[21:57] <bprompt> don't think so, you could, if you use the installer from the desktop, in a live session
[21:58] <mu3en> assuming you;re in the regular installer
[21:58] <travnewmatic> because i know ubuntu server does that
[21:58] <mu3en> ctrl alt F2
[21:58] <mu3en> should do something
[21:58] <travnewmatic> theres the "gui" ncurses thing but theres also the dmesg whatever going on in another terminal
[21:59] <bprompt> cameron:      still at 33%?
[22:01] <travnewmatic> this is a really crummy welcome to linux :(
[22:01] <travnewmatic> at least on the part of the partitioner
[22:03] <cameron> no progress, still on 33%
[22:04] <travnewmatic> props to cameron for not throwing in the towel
[22:04] <cameron> ha
[22:04] <cameron> cheers
[22:04] <travnewmatic> do you know how to switch to a different terminal?
[22:04] <cameron> okay so power off and go into advanced tools on the installer?
[22:05] <mu3en> no
[22:05] <mu3en> ctrl alt F2
[22:05] <cameron> travnewmatic: no
[22:05] <travnewmatic> what he said
[22:05] <cameron> mu3en: ok
[22:05] <bprompt> cameron:      still at 33%?
[22:05] <cameron> bprompt: yeah
[22:06] <cameron> mu3en: ok now looks like i am in a terminal session
[22:06] <mu3en> yeah
[22:06] <cameron> what now?
[22:06] <bprompt> cameron:     hmmm kill it.... reboot..... hmmm this time, try    instead of the [install kubuntu] button, the [Try Kubuntu] one, let it load, it has an installer shortcut on the desktop anyway, but it also has a partitioning tool
[22:07] <mu3en> agree with bprompt
[22:07] <cameron> k
[22:07] <mu3en> it will be easier for you to watch it in the GUI and use a real partitioner
[22:07] <cameron> k
[22:07]  * travnewmatic nudges fedora live usb stick closer
[22:07] <bprompt> and you could also run the Konsole from there anyway
[22:08] <cameron> travnewmatic: shill
[22:08] <travnewmatic> in all seriousness this is extremely odd behavior for a linux install
[22:08] <cameron> :)
[22:08] <tori> Hey, I've got a bug in kcm_autostartin Kubuntu 15.04 - should I send it to bugs.kde.org or bugs.launchpad.net ?
[22:09]  * bprompt notices travnewmatic  getting a cheque from the fedora salesrep
[22:09] <travnewmatic> hahaha
[22:10] <travnewmatic> hey, i'm not encouraging the use of fedora itself, just its partitioner :D
[22:10] <cameron> lol
[22:11] <cameron> ok looks like desktop has loaded
[22:11] <cameron> now what?
[22:11] <daemon_erebus> you mean use a live cd, yum install gparted, partition and restart basically
[22:11] <travnewmatic> cough apt cough
[22:12] <mu3en> it has partitioner in system tools
[22:13] <travnewmatic> cameron, look through the menu in the lower left, applications, system, partition editor
[22:13] <cameron> ok
[22:13] <mu3en> or you could install another tool, or use the command line
[22:13] <bprompt> cameron:   now... run .. got  System tools > kde partition manager
[22:13] <cameron> ok am there now
[22:14] <mu3en> *defers to bprompt for the gui
[22:14] <daemon_erebus> been a while since I messed with Fedora
[22:14] <travnewmatic> we're all waiting with bated breath
[22:14] <bprompt> cameron:    ok, same, hose everything but the win7, and remake the partitionings, and don't forget that every "action" requires an "apply changes" to actually be carried out
[22:14] <travnewmatic> did it actually create any partitions?
[22:15] <cameron> bprompt: ok
[22:15] <bprompt> cameron:    apply button the, 1st buton on the left, to "apply" the changes, or action
[22:15] <cameron> travnewmatic: i did
[22:18] <bprompt> cameron:    anyhow, once you make those 2 primary partitions, then go back to the desktop, it has an "install kubuntu" shortcut, click that, to restart again, at the [manual] part, if it shows, pick the partitions you made, for "/" and "swap" respectively
[22:19] <cameron> bprompt: hosed everything, hit apply each time. now have 100gb unallocated space. I am in add window. primary, ext4. What do i put for 'Label'?
[22:20] <cameron> do i put / as lable?
[22:20] <cameron> *label
[22:20] <bprompt> cameron:    label... is whatever you want pretty much,   "my kubuntu" or "my kub partition" or "buffy the vampyre"
[22:21] <travnewmatic> cameron, its not the mount point
[22:21] <travnewmatic> the mount point is / or /home or /whatever
[22:21] <cameron> ok
[22:22] <travnewmatic> (ie where folder that partition is being mounted as)
[22:22] <travnewmatic> what*
[22:22] <travnewmatic> the mount point is more important than the label, the label is really optional
[22:23] <cameron> ok it said succesful
[22:23] <bprompt> cameron:    did you give it a mount point?  the kde partitioin manager has...such option btw
[22:24] <cameron> bprompt: noo, should i?
[22:24] <bprompt> cameron:     well... yes, otherwise, you'd have to in the installler UI
[22:24] <travnewmatic> :D
[22:24] <bprompt> cameron:    you can just right-click the partition, choose "edit" and give it a mount point
[22:24] <bprompt> and "apply"
[22:25] <cameron> bprompt: when i edit mount point, where do i select / as the mount point?>
[22:26] <bprompt> cameron:    should have a pulldown list I'd think
[22:27] <cameron> bprompt: dropdown list is adjacent Path text box.
[22:27] <cameron> none oif the options are /. they are bin, boot, etc
[22:28] <bprompt> cameron:     hmm don't recall what it's called on that UI
[22:28] <cameron> ok i will back out and do in installer
[22:28] <bprompt> cameron:     well... if it doesn't have it... it won't matter that much I gather, you can always set the flag in the installer app anyway,  so... just make the "swap" now then
[22:31] <cameron> bprompt: do i select 'format'?
[22:31] <travnewmatic> format whatever you want just so long as it doesnt say ntfs next to it
[22:31] <bprompt> yes
[22:32] <cameron> w00t!!!!
[22:32] <cameron> we are past 33% people!!
[22:33] <travnewmatic> woooo praise stallman
[22:33] <cameron> lol
[22:34] <cameron> very important, will chromecast work on kubuntu?
[22:34] <bprompt> hmm
[22:35] <bprompt> cameron:   I don't use chromecast..... FYI chomeOS is ubuntu-based
[22:35] <cameron> basically will i be able to chromecast netflix from browser to tv hee hee
[22:36] <cameron> there is a chrome browser for this right?
[22:36] <bprompt> cameron:   there's a netflix app...3rd party for ubuntu....so you could install that
[22:37] <MoonUnit`> i use chromecast in kubuntu, just install chrome/chromium and install the chromecast extension.
[22:37] <bprompt> cameron:     https://insights.ubuntu.com/2014/10/10/watch-netflix-in-ubuntu-today/
[22:38] <cameron> MoonUnit`: thanks!
[22:39] <cameron> what are the chances kubuntu will be able to access my pcie slot ssd?
[22:40] <bprompt> cameron:  I don't see any issues, support is quite good on pcie I'd think
[22:44] <travnewmatic> this is so exciting
[22:45] <travnewmatic> Cameron: 1  Kubuntu: 0
[22:45] <cameron> install finished and now restarting!
[22:45] <cameron> travnewmatic: lol
[22:46] <cameron> grub screen came up, ubuntu was first listed, i hit enter. now waiting
[22:46] <cameron> still waitimng
[22:47] <bprompt> first time it initiazes some components, is all
[22:47] <cameron> ok
[22:47] <cameron> nothing on screen yet
[22:47] <cameron> no hdd activity
[22:48] <bprompt> cameron:     what if you press ESC?
[22:48] <cameron> bprompt: nothing when press esc
[22:49] <cameron> boot screen reappeared. i  selected win7
[22:49] <cameron> it is loading now
[22:50] <bprompt> cameron:     try ctrl-alt-del   and retry, but this time, once at the "ubuntu" entry, don't press enter, press "e", for edit,  and remove the "quite splash" at the end of the string, and press ctrl-x to boot with that edit,    <--- that shows progress mesages
[22:50] <bprompt> quiet splash that is =)
[22:50] <cameron> bprompt: ok will do. win7 loaded correctly
[22:50] <bprompt> k
[22:51] <bprompt> cameron:   there's a recovery mode anyway, you could use to do some "fsck" on the kubuntu partition
[22:53] <cameron> bprompt: ok deleted the words quiet splash and hit crtl-x
[22:53] <cameron> login screen!!!!!
[22:54] <bprompt> GUI login?
[22:54] <cameron> yep!!
[22:54] <bprompt> k
[22:54] <cameron> I am in now!!
[22:55] <bprompt> cameron:    so is done inittializing, so, use the password you set, and knock yourself with plasma5 heheh
[22:55] <cameron> Thanks so much everyone!!
[22:55] <bprompt> np
[22:56] <cameron> where do i go to dl chrome? and other apps?
[23:01] <mu3en> use muon
[23:01] <bprompt> cameron:     yeap, System Tools > Muon software center, would have it
[23:02] <mu3en> or for google chrome download the .deb from google (flash & pdf incorporated)
[23:02] <bprompt> yeap
[23:02] <mu3en> chromium is the more friendly version from ubuntu repository
[23:02] <bprompt> cameron:    or  -> https://www.google.com/chrome/   <--- downloads the .deb installer, right-click it and install
[23:02] <bprompt> which is what I usually do
[23:08] <cameron> this is sooooo much faster and smoother than win7!!
[23:09] <bprompt> is  a new install, bear that in mind
[23:09] <cameron> bprompt: true
[23:09] <bprompt> surely win7 was also fast when installed first
[23:10] <cameron> bprompt: quiet splash appeared again in the startup code. how do i delete it for good?
[23:10] <bprompt> well.... quiet splash, simple removes any progress lines, and shows a animated logo with some progress bar, usually some dots, is all
[23:11] <bprompt> but you can get rid of it if you want
[23:12] <cameron> if that is there, boot up will not complete. only works if i remove it and ctrl-x
[23:14] <bprompt> cameron:     go to      /etc/default/grub   <-- file, as root, or sudo.... like say      run ->     kdesudo  kate <-- will ask you for the password, will run kate as root, or superuser, "su", and then edit /etc/default/grub file, it has a lline that says   GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"  , you could either remove it, or just comment it out, with a  # pound sign in fron of it
[23:14] <bprompt> cameron:    ctrl-s to save the /etc/default/grub file, then go to the terminal and do a ->   sudo update-grub
[23:15] <cameron> wow ok thanks will try!
[23:17] <mu3en> sounds like something with the splash and the login not playing nice with maybe the graphics card cameron. you may need some video card drivers, or possibly remove plymouth (the "splash" program behind that part of that command)