[18:23] <nahtnam> Luyin: When I run "Mount" I get: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/140f60fac53ce0d23853
[18:23] <reisio> ifthenelse: so... the usb into the laptop is coming from where?
[18:23] <ifthenelse> reisio: What do you mean?
[18:23] <sozeze> ifthenelse: do you have the mother model and the usb board model?
[18:23] <reisio> ifthenelse: where does the usb cable going into the laptop come from?
[18:23] <ifthenelse> reisio: USB board model? You mean the model for the Ethernet to USB adapter? It's KY-RD9700
[18:24] <reisio> ifthenelse: no... where does the other end go?
[18:24] <jhutchins> ifthenelse: usb 2.0 is notoriously slow on Linux.  You can try different ports on the laptop - they're usually more than one hub built in, and sometimes one is significantly faster/slower than the other(s).
[18:24] <reisio> usb 2 is just slow everywhere, it's old
[18:25] <reisio> it's more than enough for network, though
[18:25] <reisio> which brings us back to his original problem :p
[18:25] <kenetik> AceFaer: So it didn't work with the port # declared?
[18:25] <linuxlite1969> guys, can we use "KMess" to live chat with other linux users? How do you do that?
[18:26] <Luyin> nahtnam: hang on.
[18:26] <ifthenelse> reisio: Where does the ethernet come from you mean?
[18:26] <linuxlite1969> or is there a live chat room that we can connect to a friend with?
[18:26] <Obiwantje> Guys - I am having issues getting my 14.04 LTS to stop from overheating: http://i.imgur.com/GGKTwlE.png
[18:26] <reisio> linuxlite1969: ask apt-file
[18:26] <Obiwantje> it is a i7 HP Envy DV7
[18:26] <reisio> linuxlite1969: this one?
[18:27] <reisio> ifthenelse: uhuh
[18:27] <TJ-> ifthenelse: I've read that the chipset in that model of device is 'known' to cap speed at 7Mbps
[18:27] <Luyin> nahtnam: oh I was stupid. give me "sudo blkid" pls
[18:27] <reisio> 7mbps is plenty fast enough for spotify, though
[18:27] <linuxlite1969> reisio, what to you mean (new here with linux) "ask apt-file", in terminal?    and "this one" what do you mean?
[18:28] <ifthenelse> reisio: I don't know, it goes into the university ports or something
[18:28] <ifthenelse> TJ-: Is there a faster model I can purchase?
[18:28] <reisio> linuxlite1969: apt-file is a package/command, use it, it has your answers :)
[18:28] <TJ-> ifthenelse: I also read that the KY-RD9700 chipset is USB 1.1, not USB2.2, which means it is limited to a maximum (in good weather) of 11Mbps
[18:28] <linuxlite1969> o.k. thanks!
[18:28] <reisio> ifthenelse: so you have multiple ethernet ports from the university, one going to your other computer, one to this usb adapter?
[18:28] <ifthenelse> TJ-: But it says USB2.0 t Fast Ethernet Adapter...
[18:28] <reisio> 11mbps is more than 7...
[18:29] <reisio> ifthenelse: it doesn't matter, you would not be complaining over 7mbps speeds
[18:29] <jhutchins> ifthenelse: See what speed protocol it has negotiated - sudo ethtool <device>
[18:29] <ifthenelse> reisio: Yes, but it's through "D-Link" box thingie.
[18:29] <AceFaer> kenetik: it says server type not recognized directly after i type "ssh:" or "sftp:"
[18:29] <AceFaer> kenetik: and i did try putting in port number, but still didnt work :(
[18:30] <jhutchins> ifthenelse: I am seeing multiple references to this adapter being very slow and not getting more than 7 mbs.
[18:30] <jhutchins> Yeah, probably the same things TJ- is seeing.
[18:30] <kenetik> AceFaer: Shoot me a pm, I may be able to help.
[18:31] <ifthenelse> jhutchins: So what's a good one to buy?
[18:31] <jhutchins> ifthenelse: You could research that as well as I could.
[18:32] <jhutchins> ifthenelse: I dpm
[18:32] <ifthenelse> My friend is next to me using debian and ethernet and he's also getting 500 something mbps
[18:32] <jhutchins> ifthenelse: I don't suppose you can return it?
[18:32] <ifthenelse> jhutchins: I got it from amazon
[18:32] <jhutchins> ifthenelse: He's not using the KY-RD9700 though, is he?
[18:32] <jhutchins> ifthenelse: Amazon takes returns.
[18:32] <reisio> ifthenelse: they're both through d-link switch ("box")?
[18:33] <ifthenelse> jhutchins: He is not, no. He's just using ethernet directly into his computer
[18:33] <ifthenelse> reisio: Yes
[18:33] <reisio> ifthenelse: like a four port switch?
[18:34] <ifthenelse> reisio: There are 5 ports in it
[18:36] <Luyin> nahtnam: still there?
[18:36] <reisio> k
[18:36] <reisio> ifthenelse: still, you might rule out the simple things to rule out first
[18:36] <reisio> ifthenelse: the particular switch port, the switch itself (wall to laptop, not to switch to laptop), the particular cable, etc.
[18:36] <jhutchins> ifthenelse: See what speed protocol it has negotiated - sudo ethtool <device>
[18:37] <wilsta> anita
[18:38] <ifthenelse> jhutchins: How do I find the device? lsusb?
[18:38] <Jordan_U> ifthenelse: ifconfig
[18:39] <linuxlite1969> how do you use apt-file?
[18:39] <linuxlite1969> in the terminator
[18:39] <ifthenelse> is it eth0?
[18:39] <reisio> linuxlite1969: apt-file update
[18:39] <reisio> linuxlite1969: apt-file search foo
[18:39] <linuxlite1969> o.k.
[18:39] <tharkun> Good $date, I have a laptop with BCM 4312 wifi chip, pciid = 14e4:4315 Where do I  look how to set it up?
[18:39] <ifthenelse> jhutchins: It says Speed: 100Mb/s
[18:41] <reisio> tharkun: "bcm" "4312" site:help.ubuntu.com
[18:41] <riverloop> Dash is slower in trusty than it is in precise. Anyone experiencing the same issue?
[18:41] <reisio> riverloop: using the same graphics driver?
[18:41] <ylolek> jaj
[18:41] <ylolek> yay
[18:41] <rymate1234> http://i.imgur.com/61gpACb.jpg what causes this gtk bug?
[18:41] <reisio> gj
[18:41] <ylolek> :)
[18:42] <Pushy> i love ubuntu
[18:42] <reisio> rymate1234: probably your random 3rd party theme
[18:42] <jhutchins> ifthenelse: Apple has an adapter for about $30 that will supposedly do 1G, but that would require USB3.
[18:42] <riverloop> reisio: Using the stock graphics driver. I haven't changed any drivers. (Btw, I have intel graphics)
[18:42] <Pushy> reisio, i love ubuntu
[18:42] <reisio> Pushy: gj
[18:42] <rymate1234> reisio, but my gtk theme is Ambiance....
[18:42] <reisio> riverloop: doesn't answer my question
[18:43] <reisio> rymate1234: so?
[18:43] <ifthenelse> jhutchins: Does Yoga 2 Pro have usb3? I'm guessing it dows
[18:43] <tharkun> reisio: /msg judd pciid 14e4:4315 pointed me to the right debian page.
[18:43] <Pushy> reisio, slap SSD and have windows OS  in vmware...works so fast
[18:43] <reisio> jhutchins: he can get a wireless router for $30 and circumvent the problem entirely
[18:43] <reisio> Pushy: heh
[18:43] <module000> rymate1234: you're trying to use gnome-tweak-tool which isn't supported very well within unity. use unity-tweak instead
[18:43] <reisio> tharkun: hrmm?
[18:43] <module000> rymate1234: oh you're using gnome-shell, unity's theme is stepping on it
[18:43] <riverloop> reisio: Sorry, english is not my primary language.
[18:43] <reisio> k
[18:43] <Pushy> reisio, so you're the most popular here huh
[18:44] <reisio> Pushy: unlikely
[18:44] <Jordan_U> !ot | Pushy
[18:44] <superherointj> Hello. I am planning installing Ubuntu 14.04 in my new PC. But I also bought a Windows 8.1 Pro. I want to use FastBoot for booting really fast to the OS. What I am wondering is if they have fixed it already for Dual-Boot.
[18:44] <reisio> superherointj: 'fastboot'?
[18:44] <reisio> superherointj: what is it you imagine that buzzword entails?
[18:44] <linuxlite1969> So, ummm is there a messenger type thing that one can chat with a friend on another linux?
[18:44] <superherointj> Yes. The mainboard provides support to some feature regarding `fastboot`. `quickboot`. something like it.
[18:45] <reisio> linuxlite1969: pidgin
[18:45] <linuxlite1969> oh   thanks
[18:45] <yossarianuk> or empathy
[18:45] <yossarianuk> or kde im
[18:45] <reisio> superherointj: that's probably eithera huge ramdisk or just hibernation
[18:45] <smart> hi guys
[18:45] <superherointj> reisio: faster boot.
[18:45] <reisio> superherointj: both are supported by both OSes
[18:46] <reisio> smart: hi
[18:46] <Dante> so does anyone know a program for ubuntu that's like microsoft visio?
[18:46] <smart> is there a way to add system sounds to lubuntu?
[18:46] <superherointj> Here they say it should be disabled: http://www.typicaltips.com/2013/02/disable-fast-startup-in-windows-8.html
[18:46] <holstein> Dante: so i dont have to google what that is, what funcitonality are you trying to address?
[18:47] <aarobc> Hi! can I try mir on ubuntu 14.04 without breaking everything? Is it just the "unity8-desktop-session-mir" package?
[18:47] <reisio> Dante: calligra flow
[18:47] <Pici> Dante: dia, inkscape to some extent.
[18:47] <reisio> Dante: and to a lesser extent: dia, one of libreoffice's things, and... something else
[18:47] <Dante> holstein: Microsoft Visio is a program that allows you to make diagrams of all sorts like database relationship models, UML designs, even Realty designs
[18:47] <holstein> aarobc: i would test expecting testing results.. not in production or a use case requiring stability
[18:47] <reisio> aarobc: it shouldn't physically break your hardware
[18:47] <Dante> Thanks reisio and Pici
[18:48] <Jordan_U> superherointj: "Fastboot" basically means not presenting an option to enter the boot firmware,  or even initializing the keyboard, before booting the OS. Clearly if you want to boot from an install CD/USB you're going to need to configure the boot firmware to boot from it, and also clearly if you want to have a menu that allows you to select between operating systems at boot then your keyboard will need to be initialized before ...
[18:48] <aarobc> lol physically no, just curious to mess with it, just want to know that it can somewhat easily be reverted
[18:48] <Jordan_U> ... either OS boots. Does that make sense?
[18:48] <reisio> aarobc: yes, it's just software in a particular place, after all
[18:49] <superherointj> Thanks.
[18:49] <rompstar> hey guys, I recently upgraded from 13.10 to 14.04 LTS and my php5 is broken, when I try to install:  sudo apt-get install php5 - I get dependency errors, I googled and googled and nothing worked
[18:49] <ifthenelse> OK, there are like 5 of the most highly rated Ethernet to USB adapters on Amazon--which one looks the best?
[18:49] <reisio> superherointj: as articulated in the link you gave, that is just an element of hibernation
[18:49] <Pushy> reisio, what do you use ubuntu for ?
[18:50] <kenetik> rompstar: What dep errors? Copy and paste the shell output to a paste bin.
[18:50] <Pushy> reisio, currently i use it..but no idea why..maybe just simple?
[18:50] <reisio> ifthenelse: if you're spending more money, just get a wireless router
[18:50] <reisio> Pushy: I don't, I do use GNU/Linux, though, as an OS
[18:50] <reisio> for operating on systems
[18:51] <Dante> bbl
[18:51] <Pushy> reisio, yeah, but i can't do much of it...everyone use windows..and most of my work places use windows
[18:51] <superherointj> So I should just install Windows and then ubuntu. And not care about how long it takes to boot, right? I also planning to use UEFI, is that okay?
[18:51] <ifthenelse> reisio: But it's at the university and I don't own any of it...
[18:51] <Jordan_U> superherointj: So you can dual boot without ever disabling fastboot but it means 1: For the initial installation of Ubuntu you'll need to figure out how to configure your system to boot from CD/USB from within Windows (you can't do it at boot because you can't use boot menus without a keyboard). And 2: You'll need to configure grub or your firmware in such a way that you can change which OS will be booted by default from within ...
[18:51] <reisio> Pushy: I'm not sure what that has to do with your ability to do much of it
[18:51] <rompstar> The following packages have unmet dependencies:  libapache2-mod-php5 : Depends: php5-common (= 5.5.11+dfsg-2+deb.sury.org~trusty+2) but it is not going to be installed                        Recommends: php5-cli but it is not going to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[18:51] <Jordan_U> ... Ubuntu and Windows (because again, you won't be able to make any choices at boot).
[18:51] <reisio> superherointj: you can make it boot as fast as it can, neither OS will hold you back
[18:52] <nstk> Pushy: Ubuntu is your best bet if you can't into GNU/Linux but still want to utilize what you refer to as 'linux,' in an easy way. Yes, it won't be as efficient as Debian or Gentoo, but it's 99% of the way there and much easier to understand than anything else from your point of view. Trust me, you just have to think a little outside of the 'windows' box to get Ubuntu
[18:52] <glumetu> or you can do windows and afte rubuntu and use bootrepair
[18:52] <reisio> tmi
[18:52] <ifthenelse> reisio: But those are more expensive, right? On amazon I can get an ethernet adapter for 20-30 dollars. A router would be more.
[18:52] <rompstar> any ideas ?
[18:52] <reisio> ifthenelse: no, they're 20-30 dollars
[18:53] <reisio> ifthenelse: and incredibly more likely to not cause you such issues
[18:53] <nstk> a good router is not 20-30 dollars
[18:53] <reisio> ifthenelse: also no wires... you could sit far away
[18:53] <reisio> nstk: he isn't making a wireless data center
[18:53] <nstk> he also doesn't want a terrible router with a horrible interface that he has to flash
[18:53] <ifthenelse> reisio: Yeah, but if I get a low quality one then it'll be just as bad as this "low quality" ethernet adapter
[18:53] <reisio> the very cheapest wireless router at walmart will make you wholly content
[18:54] <reisio> nstk: you're being silly :p
[18:54] <reisio> ifthenelse: no, it won't...
[18:54] <Pushy> nstk, i'm already outside the windows
[18:54] <superherointj> Right. I don't know doing it. So for now I will just install Windows + Ubuntu. Can I install both in UEFI without issues?
[18:54] <reisio> ifthenelse: a wireless router, even a dirt cheap one, will be just like your current dlink switch, only wireless...
[18:54] <reisio> ifthenelse: so no usb issues
[18:54] <Pushy> nstk, beside my windows never opened
[18:54] <reisio> superherointj: yes
[18:54] <rompstar> sorry - I am new, I pasted it to pastebin
[18:54] <reisio> superherointj: there's a uefi gotcha page on help.ubuntu.com if it comes up
[18:54] <ifthenelse> reisio: But it would drop every now and then, whereas ethernet would not, right? I edit files over the network
[18:55] <reisio> ifthenelse: no, why would it drop...
[18:55] <reisio> it wouldn't drop unless you took the wireless device very far away from it, like 30 feet
[18:55] <reisio> or put it behind a lead wall
[18:56] <superherointj> Allright. Thank you for the help. :)
[18:56] <reisio> if you're asking if "wireless" is less reliabled than "wired", yes, it is less reliable; if you're asking if "wireless" is less reliable than your proven-to-be-a-failure wired ethernet->usb adapter, no, it is more reliable not less
[18:56] <reisio> it also won't turn your laptop into an immobile glorified thin desktop
[18:57] <MikeRL> I found another bug.
[18:57] <reisio> and you'll be able to use a wireless router with almost any number of wireless devices you might have simultaneously
[18:57] <reisio> MikeRL: gj
[18:57] <MikeRL> Print to take a screenshot doesn't work.
[18:57] <reisio> MikeRL: prtscrn doesn't work?
[18:58] <MikeRL> reisio: Yep.
[18:58] <MikeRL> What I was going to ask, was what package should I file the bug under?
[18:59] <MikeRL> Or is it already known?
[18:59] <reisio> it's probably already known
[18:59] <MikeRL> And does it affect different keyboards?
[18:59] <reisio> but it's a matter for X historically
[18:59] <MikeRL> For example, does yours work?
[18:59] <reisio> prtscrn is sometimes used as the magic sysrq key
[18:59] <reisio> and when it's used for that, it doesn't typically work for ordinary prtscrn usage
[18:59] <rompstar>  /msg kenetic any ideas what the problem is, I tried all kinds of commands and it still is not working
[19:00] <reisio> so there are plenty of bugs on such matters
[19:00] <narendraj9> i m new to linux, i wasn't able to connect to freenode using tor, could anybody help?
[19:00] <ifthenelse> reisio: Good point. Hmmm. So a high quality ethernet adapter is worse than a low quality router?
[19:00] <MikeRL> So, where would I look to see if the bug has been reported?
[19:00] <Jordan_U> MikeRL: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-screenshot/+bug/1295994
[19:00] <Ari-Yang> hi, how come when I want to make rar part files on ubuntu with rar in terminal I get Error bad archive?
[19:00] <MikeRL> Thanks.
[19:00] <ifthenelse> reisio: How about this router: http://www.amazon.com/ZyXEL-Wireless-Pocket-Ethernet-MWR102/dp/B005WKIKA0/ref=sr_1_5?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1398192966&sr=1-5
[19:00] <reisio> Ari-Yang: what command?
[19:01] <Ari-Yang> reisio: rar a -v664576k /path/to/file/here/Flight of Dragons/video.mkv *
[19:01] <reisio> ifthenelse: I'm having trouble considering a $20-30 ethernet->usb adapter to be high quality, particularly if it isn't working well :p
[19:01] <Ari-Yang> which should split the file into 649MB parts
[19:01] <reisio> ifthenelse: "cheap" wireless routers satisfy almost everyone
[19:01] <reisio> ifthenelse: looks fine to me
[19:01] <Jordan_U> Ari-Yang: For one, you didn't escape the spaces in that file name.
[19:01] <reisio> ifthenelse: you can probably get one locally for cheaper... and today
[19:02] <MikeRL> Wait.
[19:02] <MikeRL> That's different than my issue.
[19:02] <Ari-Yang> Jordan_U: that's not what I actually typed... I just tab the folder and file name
[19:02] <Ari-Yang> :|
[19:02] <MikeRL> I can run gnome-screenshot. I noticed because ALTP+Print would work.
[19:02] <Ari-Yang> and there are no spaces in the file name
[19:02] <reisio> ifthenelse: older generation models are also fine, just make sure it does wpa2
[19:02] <visitor_> I have a newbie linux question.  How do you change the date format of file and dirs when you do an "ls -l" command.  Mine currently says [Apr 22 20:49] and I want it to be displayed as [2014-04-22 21:02:10]   ?
[19:02] <ifthenelse> reisio: BUT IS IT PORTABLE!??!?!?
[19:02] <rompstar> does anyone know how to fix my php5 dependecies/broken on 14.04 lts ?  I pasted errors into pastebin
[19:02] <MikeRL> It just seems running printscreen alone doesn't work.
[19:03] <MikeRL> Also, what triggers show desktop?
[19:03] <MikeRL> I don't believe that works either.
[19:03] <reisio> ifthenelse: a box the size of a couple decks of cards is just as portable as a cable you have to roll up, IMO
[19:03] <MikeRL> And sometimes CTRL+ALT+T doesn't work.
[19:03] <visitor_> .
[19:03] <reisio> plus a cable that doesn't work is just dead weight :p
[19:03] <junka> rompstar, did you install php5 from ppa
[19:03] <trism> MikeRL: strangely bug 1282649 says it fixed, it is not working in an upgrade from 13.10 to 14.04 here though...but my clean install on my desktop works
[19:04] <MikeRL> trism: No I done a clean install. It isn't the same as that bug.
[19:04] <Ari-Yang> Jordan_U, reisio: http://paste.opensuse.org/view/raw/24004120
[19:04] <MikeRL> The difference I mentioned above. I can actually take a screenshot.
[19:04] <MikeRL> The shortcut ALT+Print works.
[19:04] <MikeRL> But Print doesn
[19:04] <ifthenelse> reisio: I just realized--the ethernet adapter would be much faster though, right?
[19:04] <MikeRL> *doesn't work.
[19:05] <tharkun> If an ubuntu url points me to a debian url How do I translate sources.list so I do not run into conflict with debian?
[19:05] <Jordan_U> tharkun: I don't understand the situation. Please give a concrete example.
[19:06] <reisio> ifthenelse: a wire is theoretically going to be faster
[19:06] <majod> i have slight sound delay when skipping tracks/fast forwarding,etc,.. in any music player in trusty. about 100ms but its noticable...what can i do to solve it?
[19:06] <reisio> ifthenelse: but in practice will only be negligibly so
[19:06] <reisio> as I've already said...
[19:07] <ifthenelse> reisio: I guess it could handle editing files online with vim and spotify at the same time
[19:07] <MikeRL> I know IRC is busy ATM, but do you guys understand the bug I'm running into? It's different from what you mentioned.
[19:07] <ifthenelse> reisio: Through ssh I mean
[19:07] <Ari-Yang> so am I running the command right?
[19:07] <reisio> ifthenelse: wha?...
[19:07] <kikimeter> « sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » is enough to upgrade from ubuntu server 13.10 to ubuntu server 14.04 ?
[19:08] <Jordan_U> kikimeter: No.
[19:08] <Jordan_U> !upgrade | kikimeter
[19:08] <kikimeter> thank you I will read the doc
[19:08] <k1l> kikimeter: no. use do-release-upgrade
[19:08] <reisio> ifthenelse: you lose bandwidth wirelessly by moving farther away from the router, or by obstructing the path from it to your wireless device
[19:08] <reisio> ifthenelse: if you're in the same room, or even another room with an ordinary wall inbetween, you will not notice a loss in speed
[19:08] <kikimeter> there is no do-release-upgrade on a server
[19:08] <reisio> ifthenelse: and it will pretty much just work
[19:08] <kikimeter> k1l
[19:08] <ifthenelse> reisio: But like 120 Mbps vs 599 Mbps
[19:09] <reisio> ifthenelse: it's pretty unlikely your primary connection, from the wall, is providing 120 mbps
[19:09] <reisio> like incredibly, ridiculously unlikely
[19:09] <Pici> kikimeter: yes there is.  Do you have the ubuntu-release-upgrader-core package installed?
[19:09] <k1l> kikimeter: then install the manager core thing like mentioned in the docu
[19:10] <MikeRL> reisio: You need some time to digest what I said? I can restate it. You're doing multiple things at once, so let me know when you're ready.
[19:10] <Pici> kikimeter: it might be the update-manager-core package in 13.10 (the former is in trusty itself)
[19:10] <Jordan_U> Ari-Yang: What is your end goal? I'm not particularly interested in studying how the proprietary rar command works to tell you if you're using it correctly, but I'm betting there is a better solution.
[19:10] <reisio> ifthenelse: to put it into perspective, you only need 5mbps to reliably, smoothly _stream_ 720p video and audio
[19:10] <kikimeter> cat /etc/issue
[19:10] <kikimeter> Ubuntu 13.10 \n \l
[19:10] <ifthenelse> reisio: I see other people need you, so I'll leave you alone. Thank you for your help!
[19:10] <reisio> ifthenelse: not only won't you get 120mbps, you wouldn't notice if you were
[19:10] <kikimeter> sudo do-release-upgrade
[19:10] <kikimeter> sudo: do-release-upgrade: command not found
[19:10] <ifthenelse> reisio: That's enough for me then haha
[19:11] <Pici> kikimeter: then install ubuntu-release-upgrader-core and try again.
[19:11] <Ari-Yang> Jordan_U: nvm I added -vn command and it's workign fine
[19:11] <reisio> MikeRL: if I'm not responding to you, it's because I have nothing to say, or I didn't see a message
[19:11] <kikimeter> ok thanks
[19:11] <Ari-Yang> *working
[19:11] <MikeRL> reisio: I sent a bunch, but guess they were already buried.
[19:11] <reisio> ifthenelse: so if you're having trouble with spotify, you are getting wellllllll below 5mbps
[19:11] <reisio> MikeRL: with my nick in front of them?
[19:12]  * reisio checks log
[19:12] <MikeRL> reisio: Yes, like this. Nick, colon, space, then message.
[19:12] <reisio> nope, I just looked at my log
[19:12] <MikeRL> Well, not all of them.
[19:12] <reisio> you gotta use a person's nick to highlight them :)
[19:12] <Beldar> MikeRL, I notice you use nicks sorta randomly, if addressing another use the nick every time if you want us to answer. ;)
[19:12] <tharkun> Jordan_U: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx points to https://wiki.debian.org/wl How do I make this set up to only depend on ubuntu and not debian.
[19:12] <reisio> anyways
[19:13] <MikeRL> Alright.
[19:13] <reisio> you can make printscreen "work" (as expected) if you want
[19:13] <MikeRL> I'm used to IRC being dead empty at times.  I was gonna ask how much longer is later. Oh well. I'll hang around.
[19:14] <Beldar> MikeRL, Excellent example you answered me with no nick. This nick use has several factors, none the which have to do with how busy. ;)
[19:15] <Pici> tharkun: The packages listed on https://wiki.debian.org/wl should be already present in the Ubuntu repos, you shouldn't need to (and shouldn't) add any lines to your sources.list file.
[19:15] <MikeRL> Beldar: I guess I'm going too fast.
[19:15] <MikeRL> Alright, going away briefly.
[19:16] <MikeRL> Be back in ten minutes.
[19:16] <tharkun> Pici: I'm kind of new to ubuntu there is no non-free part on the ubuntu repos?
[19:17] <Pici> tharkun: the broadcom-sta-dkms package is in the multiverse repository on Ubuntu. at least on 12.10 and up.
[19:17] <tharkun> multiverse?
[19:18] <tharkun> NVM found the right url to read now.
[19:19] <Pici> tharkun: i.e. deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ $RELEASE multiverse .  I believe  it is enabled by default on Ubuntu releases these days.
[19:23] <trism> MikeRL: ahh figured out my problem anyway, in the upgrade I didn't have /org/gnome/settings-daemon/plugins/media-keys enabled, weird
[19:24] <tharkun> Pici: I don't have access to it at the moment but will poke at it asap. Does ubuntu install openssh-server by default?
[19:24] <Pici> tharkun: no. Unless, its a server install and you chose that option.
[19:25] <MikeRL> trism: Good.
[19:25] <tharkun> Pici: Thanks. I'll grab some lunch then
[19:27] <datosfresia> español?
[19:27] <Jordan_U> !es | datosfresia
[19:28] <dipseydoodle> Hello, perhaps somebody could give me a hand here, but I was wandering why I couldn
[19:28] <dipseydoodle> move files to /var/www
[19:29] <k1ng> Diplomatico, try chmod
[19:29] <dipseydoodle> It keeps saying file move error: Permisions denied. I chmod 755 it and went in a sudo su
[19:29] <dipseydoodle> But when I drag and drop the file from home to the bookmark I get that erorr
[19:30] <k1ng> dipseydoodle, private server?
[19:30] <dipseydoodle> king Yes on my Ubuntu
[19:30] <Jordan_U> dipseydoodle: Please pastebin the exact command and its complete output.
[19:30] <dipseydoodle> Ok
[19:30] <dipseydoodle> Oh wait
[19:30] <k1ng> sudo chown yourusername:www-data -R /var/www
[19:31] <dipseydoodle> No no no no, There were no commands. It wasn't from the command line. This is all local on my laptop
[19:31] <santos> hai
[19:31] <k1ng> dipseydoodle, http://askubuntu.com/questions/189200/getting-access-to-var-www
[19:31] <santos> k1ng:what is it?
[19:31] <rvraghav93> is is possible to clone an ubuntu partition and install the same to another [ exaclty same brand / config / model ] pc ?
[19:31] <Jordan_U> dipseydoodle: How are you trying to move the files?
[19:32] <Jordan_U> rvraghav93: Yes. And it's also possible to do the same for a different brand / config / model pc.
[19:32] <dipseydoodle> Jordan_U I just draged and droped it from Home to the www folder which is bookmarked in the Files program
[19:32] <dipseydoodle> and I just did the above command and it just gave a blank line afterwards
[19:33] <dipseydoodle> I installed LAMP just a while ago, is there a bug bby chance?
[19:33] <wolter> anybody getting evolution asking for passwords at every launch?
[19:33] <rvraghav93> Jordan_U Thanks for the response :) Is there any disadvantage when compared to a fresh install ? and could you direct me to any tool / script / anything that would do this ?
[19:35] <dipseydoodle> Well thats funny
[19:35] <dipseydoodle> cp worked just fine
[19:35] <dipseydoodle> lol
[19:35] <dipseydoodle> Sorry bout that
[19:36] <foobar33> I'm installing a win8 usbstick installer using winusb from ubuntu repo
[19:36] <foobar33> Why does it install grub?
[19:36] <foobar33> On a win8 usbstick installer?
[19:37] <dipseydoodle> Grub is the bootloader you need this to boot the linux kernal
[19:37] <Beldar> foobar33, That is just a fork of the MS usb loader, basically.
[19:37] <foobar33> Ye, so I don't understand why grub is here
[19:37] <VlperX> ahoy, what does this mean?
[19:37] <VlperX> cat: /dev/net/tun: Operation not permitted
[19:37] <foobar33> Grub was not in the MS usb loader
[19:38] <Beldar> foobar33, For a boot, why does it matter?
[19:38] <foobar33> It takes forever to install
[19:38] <rvraghav93> Jordan_U there ?
[19:39] <Beldar> foobar33, grub just kicks to the install, has nothing to do with install time.
[19:40] <sevenearths> Any1 one had experience with HFS+?
[19:40] <Jordan_U> !anyone | sevenearths
[19:40] <Yelu> VlperX, probably permission denied try: sudo cat /dev/net/tun
[19:40] <Jordan_U> sevenearths: Why don't you ask your actual question and find out?
[19:41] <Beldar> Jordan_U, They been editing the bot.
[19:41] <sevenearths> I've deleted the front partition of an HFS+ volume and I want to know if I'm 'ucked (http://pasteboard.co/2khR51R5.png)
[19:41] <foobar33> Beldar, it said installing
[19:41] <foobar33> then it said done, then it said installing grub
[19:41] <VlperX> Yelu, nope I ran that with root
[19:41] <foobar33> So it has been in this mode for more than 20 minutes
[19:42] <Beldar> foobar33, Not sure how this is related, but go ahead.
[19:42] <Yelu> VlperX, I see.
[19:42] <Beldar> foobar33, Installing when, what is the context?
[19:43] <sevenearths> I don't know anything about HFS+ and I don't want to format the front partition lest it effects the sdc2 (which has a lot of data on it)
[19:43] <rvraghav93> Jordan_U : Thanks for the response :) Is there any disadvantage when compared to a fresh install ? and could you direct me to any tool please?
[19:44] <foobar33> Been like this for ages: http://i.snag.gy/DCi0T.jpg bar is going left to right, wonder to kill it and start over
[19:44] <Jordan_U> sevenearths: Please don't swear in this channel, obfuscated or not. What exactly did you do? "deleted the front partition of an HFS+ volume" doesn't really make sense. Did you mean the first "portion"?
[19:45] <Beldar> foobar33, It is really hard to tell what the context are in your inquiry, for example installing winusb, and loading the usb, or installing on the HD. I believe your calling the loading of the ISO as the install.
[19:45] <sevenearths> Jordan_U: (sorry for the swearing) I mean the first portion as you rightly say. 'sdc1'
[19:46] <Beldar> foobar33, That is a pirate iso not supported here.
[19:46] <foobar33> I have a payed key
[19:47] <Jordan_U> sevenearths: 'sdc1' is indeed a partition, not a portion of a partition. What exactly did you do?
[19:47] <Beldar> foobar33, The only thing supported on this or the ##windows channel are legit downloads period, key or not.
[19:48] <Simonor> Has anybody reported disabled pata DVD drives on 14.04?
[19:48] <halfie> hi, I have a patch for "bcmwl" package which enables it to build on 3.15-rc2. This is a DKMS package - so, how should I got about submitting the patch?
[19:50] <sevenearths> The HD has two portions (sdc1/sdc2). Since deleting sdc1 ubuntu won't mount sdc2. I' wondering if I can get rid of sdc1 all together without having any adverse effects on sdc2
[19:50] <Simonor> Hello everyone by the way.
[19:51] <sevenearths> I don't know the hfs+<-->unallocated relationship
[19:52] <Beldar> halfie, probably a good start, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Patches
[19:52] <halfie> Beldar, for now, I am sending it directly to the maintainer (don't have free time this week). I will learn the proper way later on ;(
[19:52] <halfie> thanks!
[19:53] <bekks> sevenearths: I guess you deleted much more than just that. There is no relation between HFS+ and unallocated space.
[19:53] <dipseydoodle> bye
[19:53] <Jordan_U> sevenearths: The hard drive has two *partitions*. The reason that I said that your original comment, "deleted the front partition of an HFS+ Volume" , didn't make sense is that "Partition" and "Volume" mean basically the same thing, so you were saying "I deleted the first partition of my HFS+ partition". You still haven't explained exactly what you did. Please elaborate on how you "deleted sdc1" giving as much detail as possible.
[19:55] <Simonor> just that my pata drive on some fairly aged hardware has become unable to read commercial dvds since the upgrade.
[19:56] <Simonor> obviously I've checked the decryption library.
[19:56] <Jordan_U> Simonor: Can it read non-commercial DVDs?
[19:56] <sevenearths> Jordan_U: The drive is a Lacie drive. Originally when the drive was plugged in it mounted two volumes. I needed it to only mount the larger of the two volumes so in gparted I right clicked sdc1 a 'deleted partition'. I was originally hoping to delete sdc1 and grow sdc2 to cover the whole drive
[19:57] <daninoz> hi guys, I have a problem in ubuntu gnome, the top bar is in the middle of the screen.
[19:58] <Jordan_U> sevenearths: OK, great. And while before deleting sda1 you could mount sda2, now you cannot mount sda2. Correct?
[19:59] <sevenearths> Jordan_U: There must be a relationship between hfs+ & unallocated because all my data is on unallocated and is far larger then 2.84Mb
[19:59] <sevenearths> Jordan_U: correct!
[19:59] <fufi> CIAO
[19:59] <fufi> !LIST
[20:00] <wolter> por un fallo al iniciar la base de datos NSS
[20:00] <wolter> anybody getting evolution asking for passwords at every launch?
[20:01] <sevenearths> Jordan_U: neither sdc1 or sdc2 have any flags set
[20:02] <Marta> one problem, i want to add a new user in ubuntu 13.10, but... new user window is black. Sorry and thanks.
[20:02] <Marta> what i can to do?
[20:03] <oli77za> open a terminal and run "sudo adduser <username>"
[20:03] <Jordan_U> sevenearths: Please run "sudo testdisk /dev/sdc" and pastebin the output.
[20:04] <oli77za> Marta: then "sudo passwd <username>"
[20:05] <herbaderb> and please send me your password
[20:05]  * herbaderb thanks you for your patronage
[20:05] <sizzle> what do you mean rvraghav93 ?
[20:06] <Jordan_U> sevenearths: It should be asking you some questions. Please don't continue until you have posted a screenshot or copied and pasted the text into http://pastebin.ubuntu.com and given the link.
[20:07] <majod> anyone else using html5 in youtube? i dont have 720p option for videos, only 360p :/
[20:07] <Bray90820> how would i search recursively for a folder
[20:08] <Bray90820> in the terminal that is
[20:08] <MikeRL> majod: http://www.noobslab.com/2014/04/thingstweaks-to-do-after-install-of.html
[20:08] <bekks> Bray90820: "find" searches recursively by default.
[20:09] <MikeRL> majod: Number 15 worked for me.
[20:09] <majod> MikeRL: thanks, i will try
[20:09] <MikeRL> majod: Because Firefox doesn't support H264 out of the box. You need H264 for watching HD for some reason on YouTube. WebM doesn't work with it.
[20:10] <MikeRL> majod: It should work. Worked for me.
[20:10] <majod> MikeRL: weird. it worked on windows...
[20:10] <Bray90820> bekks: so if i did fond / music it would search recursively from / for the folder called music?
[20:10] <MikeRL> majod: That's because Windows uses the OS codecs as a fallback. Linux cannot legally ship with them, I believe.
[20:10] <rnz> hello everybody ))
[20:10] <abstrakt> how likely is a dist-upgrade going to be to break my current ubuntu, or should I reinstall fresh?
[20:11] <majod> MikeRL: ok i get it. i have 720p now :) thank you very much!
[20:11] <MikeRL> majod: But I live in the US and don't give a crapola about their ridiculous copyright laws.
[20:11] <abstrakt> (I almost always reinstall fresh, but the time required is a bit of a burden right now)
[20:11] <abstrakt> this is going from 13.10 to 14.04
[20:11] <MikeRL> majod: Your welcome.
[20:11] <rvraghav93> sizzle Hey :) I want to clone my ubuntu 14 installation to a new machine with the same h/w config. [ same model, replaced for a defect in the trackpad ]. I wanted to know if this would be disadvantageous compared to a fresh install ?
[20:11] <abstrakt> also, when did 14.04 even get released? must've been in the past day or two?
[20:11] <k1l> abstrakt: 17th aapril
[20:12] <junka> !13.04
[20:12] <junka> !14.04
[20:12] <junka> !12.10
[20:12] <k1l> !botspam > junka
[20:13] <junka> what?
[20:13] <mike_> hi
[20:13] <junka> hi
[20:13] <lichte> are projects on launchpad only for package creation, or do some developers use it like github, etc. ?
[20:13] <junka> when will find out the name of 14.10?
[20:14] <larsadin> Hello, brand new ubuntu 12.04 install here, during a sudo apt-get update I am receiving: W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise-backports/universe/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]. Is this a known issue?
[20:14] <Pici> junka: when mark comes up with it.
[20:14] <rnz> anybody know howto disable rewriting /etc/X11/xorg.conf in 14.04 ?   When start X (lightdm) xorg.conf moved to xorg.conf.<date> and generated new xorg.conf with basic device sections
[20:14] <abstrakt> k1l, ok thanks
[20:14] <abstrakt> I suppose I'll wait a month or two for 14.04, there's nothing I know of that's particularly important that I need regarding package versions
[20:14] <Pici> lichte: There are a bunch of non Ubuntu related projects on Launchpad.  (Personally, I find it kind of bulky compared to github)
[20:15] <Yelu> Bray90820, try this in your current folder: find . -type d -iname music
[20:15] <Guest49186> hey I am using ubuntu, I haven't used this irc in years .. how do I figure out what channels are available under ubuntu
[20:15] <lichte> Pici: OK, Thanks  :)
[20:16] <Beldar> !alis | Guest49186
[20:16] <junka> Guest49186, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[20:17] <abstrakt> Guest49186, usually with /list
[20:17] <Pici> abstrakt: thats a bad way of searching for channels on freenode.
[20:17] <abstrakt> Guest49186, though you're probably in X-Chat so just go to Server -> List of channels...
[20:17] <Bray90820> Yelu:  Would that work across multipul partitions and drives on the same system
[20:17] <Guest49186> this list only begins with ubuntu ... I am looking for other topics
[20:18] <junka> then /list is what you are looking for
[20:18] <nahtnam> Hello! I messed up my ubuntu installation and I want to backup my current files before re-installing the OS. Im in Live CD mode. How can I backup my data and put it into another partition?
[20:19] <Yelu> Bray90820, I don't know, but let's have a try on your machine?
[20:19] <Guest49186> I just started using dd ... its amazing ... a bit slow but I love it
[20:19] <Beldar> nahtnam, what data do you want to save?
[20:19] <nahtnam> Beldar: My home folder and /var
[20:19] <sevenearths> (sorry got dis-connected)
[20:19] <junka> Guest49186, i use it too ;)
[20:20] <Guest49186> I am trying things 2 image NTFS backup to ext4
[20:20] <k1l> junka: dont use /list on freenode
[20:20] <k1l> junka: that will crash most clients
[20:20] <Guest49186> I am trying things using virtual box via "oracle"
[20:20] <rnz> Anybody known how to disable rewriting /etc/X11/xorg.conf in 14.04 ?   When start X (lightdm) xorg.conf moved to xorg.conf.<date> and generated new xorg.conf with basic device sections.
[20:21] <Guest49186> so far virtual box have been crashing ...
[20:21] <MikeRL> Guys, I'll be back in an hour. I need a little break from the bug hunt.
[20:21] <Bray90820> Yelu: the problem is I don't actually know where the file is located so i need to find it
[20:21] <Guest49186> I am trying 2 do that on vb b4 I try NTFS backups in real life
[20:22] <nahtnam> Beldar: When I try to compress it I get "Permission Denied"
[20:22] <roman71> nathnam: try this as root from terminal :)
[20:22] <Beldar> nahtnam, Are you compressing as that is the only option?
[20:23] <nahtnam> Beldar: Are there any other options?
[20:23] <nahtnam> roman71: How can I CD into a mounted drive through terminal?
[20:23] <sevenearths> http://pbrd.co/QD8ahf
[20:23] <Bray90820> Yelu: i ended up finding it by doing "cd f:"
[20:23] <bekks> nahtnam: cd /your/path/
[20:24] <bekks> There are no drive letters in non-Windows.
[20:24] <Yelu> Bray90820, if all your partitions are mounted, you can find your files
[20:24] <Beldar> nahtnam, Trying to save a crashed upgrade this way is kinda unusual is all, not a way I have used, so I can't really help with it, I was just wondering you definition of data.
[20:24] <nahtnam> Beldar: I dont know any other way
[20:24] <nahtnam> If I can find out how to CD into a mounted drive, I think I would be able to figure it out
[20:25] <Beldar> nahtnam, bekks cd is good info.
[20:25] <nahtnam> Beldar: But how do I chose which drive to use?
[20:26] <roman71> nahtnam: try command mount for find mounted CD into drive
[20:26] <linuxlite1969> So, Pidgin is for linux users to chat back and forth. Ummm  how does it work? I downloaded it from synaptic package, but uhhhh   does anyone know how to use it? The online manual doesn't really explain that good.
[20:26] <nahtnam> roman71: Nvm. I found it. Its /media/ubuntu
[20:26] <Bray90820> Yelu: well actually i was doing it over ssh but on the other computer the drive is mounted yes
[20:27] <linuxlite1969> just kinda new with linux
[20:28] <Beldar> linuxlite1969, I see #pidgin maybe exact help there.
[20:28] <linuxlite1969> oh o.k. thanks
[20:28] <nahtnam> How do I zip a whole folder in Terminal?
[20:28] <linuxlite1969> will try
[20:28] <Beldar> linuxlite1969, No problem, just a guess here, never used the app is all.
[20:29] <Yelu> Bray90820, okay, so you have a remote shell an you can "ffind / -type d -iname music" => will show all your (d)irectories) with substring "music" in its name
[20:29] <roman71> nahtnam: command: zip namefile.zip -R /path/folder
[20:29] <nahtnam> roman71: Thnaks
[20:29] <Bray90820> Yelu: i actually found the folder i was looking for
[20:29] <Iriez> Hello: I've implemented this script in this ask ubuntu thread, but i wanted to verify that its actually running on shutdown. Can someone explain to me how I can do this? Im assuming i need to remove the graphical interface so i can see what the output is at shutdown? http://askubuntu.com/questions/105266/upstart-jobs-and-init-d-scripts-not-launching
[20:29] <Pici> Yelu: no, that will show every directory that have exactly 'music' (case insensitive) as their name.
[20:29] <Yelu> Bray90820, victory!
[20:30] <Bray90820> but my next question is if i can mount the ssh as a drive on my system
[20:30] <Bray90820> like sshfs or something
[20:30] <Dante> how do I find out why a software I installed from the Lubuntu software is not running when I try and open it?
[20:30] <Dante> Lubuntu software center*
[20:30] <bekks> Dante: Start it via terminal
[20:31] <nahtnam> I keep on getting errors saying "Zip Warning: Name not matched"
[20:31] <nahtnam> What does that mean?
[20:31] <bekks> nahtnam: "Warning" does mot mean "Error".
[20:31] <nahtnam> bekks: Right.
[20:32] <nahtnam> Yay, its working! :)
[20:32] <Yelu> Bray90820, maybe https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHFS
[20:33] <Yelu> Pici, thank you for your hint
[20:35] <roman71> nahtnam: what do you want zip?
[20:35] <Bray90820> Yelu: thanks
[20:36] <Bray90820> Now im out gotta run
[20:36] <Yelu> Bray90820, Pici, better you'd take another try with find / -type d -iname "*music*" => finds all occurencies (Pici: AM I right?)
[20:36]  * Bray90820 is out
[20:36] <Pici> Yelu: yep.
[20:36] <Bray90820> Yelu: i will take a look
[20:36] <nahtnam> roman71: How can I exclude hidden folders in the zip?
[20:36]  * Bray90820 is out
[20:36] <Yelu> Bray90820, Have fun ... ;-)
[20:37]  * Bray90820 /close
[20:39] <roman71> nahtnam: if you have unzipped archieve, try inside run command ls -al
[20:40] <nahtnam> roman71: I got it. find home/ -path '*/.*' -prune -o -type f -print | zip /home/ubuntu/home.zip -@
[20:40] <Dante> well my program started through the terminal
[20:40] <Dante> I need to learn how to get it to start that way...
[20:41] <roman71> nahtnam: ok :)
[20:41] <Bray90820> Actually i did have another unrelated question
[20:41] <linuxlite1969> Why in the hey-ho can't I get on other channels?  The installed program is located in the usr/bin folder how do I open terminal and just run it without having to physically go to the folder?
[20:42] <Guest3772> hellow
[20:42] <Dante> hi
[20:43] <holstein> Dante: you can refer to it by path in a shortcut, or the terminal, or alt+f2, or any launcher, like synapse/kupfer
[20:43] <Guest3772> can youhelp me please
[20:43] <Iriez> probably not
[20:43] <Bray90820> anyone know the name of the silverlight plugin
[20:44] <Dante> holstein: last time I typed in sudo ~usr/bin/program and nothing happened
[20:44] <holstein> Guest3772: just ask.. maybe a volunteer can assist
[20:44] <kalichrome> can anyone help me with a ? about chroot environments?
[20:44] <Iriez> i've been asking a question for 2 days now and no one's bothered to answer.
[20:44] <holstein> Dante: does it need root access?
[20:44] <Multbrelch> Hi all. Q: I have 10.04 64Bit and did some installation. Out of a sudden, my system font has become really tiny. Is there a font problem? How can I deal with this? Thx in advance for some hints
[20:44] <holstein> !chroot
[20:44] <Dante> holstein: if it did I would have been prompted, no?
[20:44] <holstein> Dante: sudo means you are running it as root.. why?
[20:45] <holstein> Dante: dont, as a rule, unless needed.. is root needed?
[20:45] <Dante> holstein: it's not supposed to be needd
[20:45] <holstein> Dante: then, dont use sudo command
[20:45] <Dante> holstein: I went forum diving and that's what I found. What do I type in terminal if I want it to run w.o sudo access
[20:45] <minimec> Bray90820: http://www.webupd8.org/2013/08/pipelight-use-silverlight-in-your-linux.html
[20:45] <holstein> Dante: just dont use sudo, friend
[20:46] <holstein>  /path/to/file
[20:46] <holstein> !sudo
[20:46] <Dante> holstein: so it's just ~usr/bin/program then?
[20:46] <StephenS> !sudo
[20:46] <holstein> Dante: not sure where you are getting "~"
[20:46] <holstein> Dante: that in iteself is a location.. just use /usr/whatever
[20:47] <Dante> holstein: oh okay, thanks. :)
[20:47] <holstein> Dante: use the tab autocomplete function to be *certain* you are actually getting somewhere valid
[20:47] <Dante> holstein: will do.
[20:49] <Multbrelch> Any idea?
[20:50] <holstein> Multbrelch: try resetting the font size, or undoing what you did that broke it.. you can also try as another user or the guest user to remove your users config from the equation
[20:50] <Multbrelch> how can I reset the fontsize, holstein ?
[20:50] <Multbrelch> just a keyword
[20:50] <Multbrelch> ...
[20:51] <holstein> Multbrelch: i remember it being rather clear in the menu.. have you tried searching for it in preferences? or tried as the guest user?
[20:52] <Multbrelch> I can change the fontsize in hardware/screens but no effect, the font is too small
[20:52] <holstein> Multbrelch: only ubuntu 10.04 server is still supported officially
[20:53] <holstein> Multbrelch: try as another user, and report, please..
[20:53] <Multbrelch> holstein, SORRY, I meant 14.04 :)
[20:53] <Multbrelch> typing error ...
[20:53] <holstein> Multbrelch: try as the guest user
[20:53] <Multbrelch> and then ?
[20:54] <holstein> Multbrelch: ? then say "the fonts are normal as the guest user" or, "the fonts are still tiny as guest user"
[20:54] <Multbrelch> does the guest user has a passwd?
[20:54] <Multbrelch> Okay, I will do ...
[20:55] <holstein> Multbrelch: no password.. savings are not saved.. please try it there.. this will, as i suggested, remove your user config from the equation
[20:55] <Multbrelch> holstein, thx a lot - So I did it and: the fonts have the correct size ... what now?
[20:56] <holstein> Multbrelch: now you know where the problem is.. as i said, in your users configuration, not the system
[20:56] <dweez> holstein: And knowing is half the battle. G.I. JOE!!!
[20:56] <berend> does anyone here use multiple workspaces on Trusty Tahr and does "always visible on workspace" work for you?
[20:56] <rooh> hello, does somebody know if in 14.04 there is support for AMD switchable graphics without restarting?
[20:57] <holstein> rooh: nothing about 14.04 or any linux is preventing amd from supporting it.. id just fire it up and test
[20:57] <skors> !aliases
[20:57] <Multbrelch> holstein, so then I redo the steps I have done before? Or is there some other way?
[20:57] <skors> !alias
[20:57] <Multbrelch> holstein, BTW: the font concerns ALL windows/programs/etc.
[20:57] <MonkeyDust> skors  what are you trying?
[20:57] <holstein> Multbrelch: http://www.webupd8.org/2012/10/how-to-reset-compiz-and-unity-in-ubuntu.html amonng other ways to reset to default
[20:58] <rooh> holstein, i had some issues with it (not working), so i decided to ask
[20:58] <Multbrelch> holstein, thx, I will try and report ...
[20:58] <skors> Hi MonkeyDust, thanks for responding... wondering where my aliases on 12.04 are stored. I've checked .bashrc - that has some of them but not all of them
[20:58] <holstein> rooh: sure.. let them know you are wishing better support. there are PPA"s that the steam community suggest that you might want to try.. the xorg edgers PPA
[20:58] <skors> and .bash_aliases is empty
[20:59] <rooh> holstein, kay thanks, will look into it :)
[21:00] <louigi> Hey guys! Installed another kernel for xubuntu 12.04, but on boot grub does not show and I cannot choose which kernel to load. I have grub-pc installed, by default.
[21:00] <rooh> ah, one more question: i have something weird - my hibernate works fine, but suspend is not (as far as i gather from searches, the opposite is more common), any cues to where should i look to fix it?
[21:00] <reisio> louigi: ...what does show?
[21:00] <reisio> rooh: IME one works and the other does not, but they're the same thing
[21:00] <larsadin> Anyone else seeing a 404 from the precise-backports in /etc/apt/sources.list in ubuntu 12.04 server when doing sudo apt-get update?
[21:01] <reisio> rooh: the difference is only ever in your configuration for suspend/hibernate/sleep/blah/allthesamething
[21:01] <reisio> rooh: as per the spec, they actually really _are_ all the same thing, just varying degrees
[21:01] <rooh> reisio, the trouble is that hibernate takes forever to write things on the hdd,
[21:01] <reisio> rooh: get an ssd
[21:01] <rooh> i need suspend to ram, because it's quicker
[21:01] <reisio> then tell it to suspend to ram and not hibernate
[21:02] <rooh> reisio, yeaaaaah :D
[21:02] <reisio> the most comprehensive implementation, AFAIK, is still the tuxonice patchset
[21:02] <reisio> but I haven't looked at it in a while
[21:02] <reisio> chances are Ubuntu (Debian) already has the important bits folded into their kernel
[21:02] <skors> MonkeyDust: figured out the problem, i wanted to modify an alias that i Just made but it's not listed in my .bashrc that i made b/c i haven't logged out yet.
[21:02] <rooh> the thing is, that suspend to ram should be more easier
[21:02] <Multbrelch> holstein, unity-reset created something again strange ... I reboot and see .. btw: unity-reset couldn't finish, it is in some endless loop
[21:02] <reisio> rooh: point being, don't get caught up in the names 'suspend' and 'hibernate', just focus on making it do what you want
[21:03] <holstein> Multbrelch: where would you like to start?
[21:03] <MonkeyDust> skors  great!
[21:03] <holstein> Multbrelch: something created someting strange "again" ? so you have small fonts again? now different?
[21:03] <rooh> reisio, so i should try to make it stuff things into ram, not on the hdd got it; off to fiddle with it
[21:04] <Multbrelch> e.g., very strange font for output text in xchat ... I reboot and see, read u u soon
[21:04] <reisio> rooh: I'm just saying I wouldn't go worrying about what your GUI refers to as 'suspend' and 'hibernate', 'cause they're vague buzzwords IME
[21:04] <reisio> rooh: find the pref that says suspend to ram but not to hard disk, and that's that
[21:06] <Lucy18>  Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like! http://j.mp/1gAh6Jy
[21:06] <reisio> Lucy18: thanks baby
[21:06] <Pici> thanks idoru
[21:06] <Multbrelch> holstein, so, reboot and: unity is reset
[21:07] <Multbrelch> I guess there might be some problem with compiz ...
[21:07] <holstein> Multbrelch: not if its not present in another user, likely
[21:09] <holstein> Multbrelch: i wouldnt start running "sudo whatever "commands you find online to "fix" unity.. or start adding/removing software to address anything.. try as the guest account, or a new user, and if things are as expected, the issue is likely in your users /home configuration
[21:11] <Multbrelch> holstein, yep, okay - To compiz: I configer compiz with 4x4 desktops and "Expo" on mouse in lower left corner and "Scale windows" on mouse on lower right corner. When I go into left corner and move windows from one desktop to another one, the system hangs sometimes => hardware reset or ctrl+alt+F1 => sudo reboot
[21:12] <holstein> Multbrelch: id just stop doing that, and file a bug, after looking into perhaps my graphics card driver support.. but, i dont use compiz anymore
[21:12] <Multbrelch> k
[21:14] <Multbrelch> holstein, thx for help btw ...
[21:14] <holstein> Multbrelch: cheers.. thats what we are here for
[21:14] <Multbrelch> hehe :)
[21:18] <ezio> i keep getting a Connection timed out with localhost.ca error from sendmail in my syslog
[21:18] <ezio> two servers
[21:18] <ezio> basic config i believe
[21:22] <Minty> Hi, I turned my ubuntu 12.04 pc off on thursday and went away for the weekend. I've come back, booted it up and I get an error during boot that says "unable to mount disk drive at path/to/pc-name as not yet ready or not present". I can type s to skip the mount and then it looks like it boots normally and my files are all accessible etc. Any idea what's wrong?
[21:22] <keeper_19_86> Hi. Does anybody here know what this "reactivate HP LaserJet 1018/1020 after reloading"-Program (preinstalled on every xubuntu 14.04) is all about?
[21:23] <holstein> keeper_19_86: no.. but check a package manager for more information on any package
[21:23] <holstein> keeper_19_86: looks to me like its relating to an HP printer..
[21:24] <keeper_19_86> hostein: yeah, but i never configured one ... it was there from the beginning ...
[21:24] <holstein> keeper_19_86: im sorry. i didnt mean to imply you did.. im just suggesting that any more information you need should be able to be found in a package manager
[21:26] <Minty> Hi, I turned my ubuntu 12.04 pc off on thursday and went away for the weekend. I've come back, booted it up and I get an error during boot that says "unable to mount disk drive at path/to/pc-name as not yet ready or not present". I can type s to skip the mount and then it looks like it boots normally and my files are all accessible etc. Any idea what's wrong?
[21:27] <holstein> Minty: no need to repost
[21:27] <keeper_19_86> holstein: nothing to be sorry about! could you just give me one more hint, what to search for? The only thing i know right now is, that its a starter in the menu with the command "/usr/share/foo2zjs/hplj10xx_gui.tcl". I don't know what to search for in e.g. synaptic
[21:27] <reisio> unless you want reisio to see it :)
[21:27] <holstein> Minty: i would want to (as always) make sure my data is backedup .. then, i would run a hard drive test, if it were my machine
[21:27] <reisio> Minty: it does that every time you reboot?
[21:28] <Minty> reisio: every time since this evening yea, never had it before and all was fine when i shut it down on thursday
[21:28] <holstein> keeper_19_86: you said you found the package.. just look at that one
[21:28] <reisio> mm, neat
[21:28] <holstein> keeper_19_86: or are you just finding only that file in the /usr/shar and not an application?
[21:28] <holstein> Minty: i have seen that message plenty on systems with encrypted home..
[21:29] <Guest58710> just installed ubuntu :)
[21:29] <Minty> holstein: what does that mean?
[21:29] <rnz> Anybody known how to disable rewriting /etc/X11/xorg.conf in 14.04 ?   When start X (lightdm) xorg.conf moved to xorg.conf.<date> and generated new xorg.conf with basic device sections.
[21:29] <keeper_19_86> holstein: no i never mentioned a package... I only found this entry in my menu (from a brand new installed xubuntu 14.04) and i assumed it is a program. But since it seems very specific (to the printer type) i'm wondering what this is about
[21:29] <Jordan_U> Minty: Please pastebin your /etc/fstab.
[21:29] <Minty> holstein: reisio by the way, i'm planning on updating to 14.04 tomorrow evening - does that change anything? should i go ahead and do that and then see if this problem still persists after?
[21:30] <kostkon> Minty, open the system log app, look in your syslog and kern.log for example for that message and paste it
[21:30] <JulesR2> HIIIIIIIII!
[21:30] <holstein> Minty: i would (as suggested) already have data backups, and test the drive before installing 14.04
[21:30] <holstein> Minty: i dont see that you have a problem.. you are getting a message
[21:30] <Minty> kostkon, Jordan_U ok 1 sec, will need to reboot it
[21:30] <reisio> it's a problem if it stops his bootup, and not if it doesn't :)
[21:31] <kostkon> Minty, you don;t need to if you have rebooted recently
[21:31] <Jordan_U> Minty: When you boot, make note of (at least) the first 4 digits of the UUID that the error mentions.
[21:31] <Guest58710> hi kids
[21:31] <Guest58710> hi kids
[21:31] <Guest58710> hi kids
[21:31] <Guest58710> hi kids
[21:31] <Guest58710> hi kids
[21:31] <Guest58710> hi kids
[21:31] <unopaste> Guest58710 you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[21:31] <Minty> kostkon: i meant it's currently turned off, i'm on my laptop
[21:31] <Minty> Jordan_U: ok will do thanks
[21:32] <kostkon> Minty, oh ok, then during boot when you get the message write it down
[21:33] <reisio> Minty: pause/break key will sometimes pause output
[21:33] <Minty> kostkon: Jordan_U ok so i've just booted now and it's taken to me to what looks like a recovery mode type option screen
[21:34] <Minty> kostkon, Jordan_U "GNU GRUB version 1.99-21ubuntu3.14"
[21:34] <kostkon> Minty, are you dual booting
[21:34] <Minty> kostkon: no
[21:34] <Minty> kostkon, Jordan_U then i have 5 options, ubuntu 3.20generic, ubuntu 3.2-generic (recovery mode), previous linux versions, memory test, another memory test
[21:35] <Minty> i think that screens come up because i turned pc off by holding down button before mid-boot
[21:35] <Minty> i've selected the first option which is my ubuntu system and now i'm seeing the familiar error message
[21:35] <kostkon> Minty, ok. next time use reisub
[21:35] <kostkon> !reisub
[21:35] <Minty> kostkon, Jordan_U: "The disk drive for /media/ADAM-PC is not ready yet or not present"
[21:35] <reisio> next time have a backup, and then if your fs and fsck both fail, you're still fine :p
[21:35] <kostkon> ah mid-boot
[21:36] <reisio> Minty: is adam-pc listed in /etc/fstab ?
[21:36] <Minty> reisio: i'll skip mounting and load up and check 1 sec
[21:38] <Minty> what's the command to dump a file to paste.ubuntu.com again?
[21:38] <holstein> !pastebinit
[21:38] <Minty> cheers
[21:38] <reisio> cheersios
[21:39] <Minty> reisio: paste.ubuntu.com/7310170
[21:39] <Minty> !reisub
[21:40] <Minty> reisio: anything suspicious?
[21:40] <reisio> Minty: run 'lsblk -f', tell me if you see '5A22DB2D22DB0CBF' or 'ADAM-PC'
[21:41] <Noiro> anyone know a simple program which can clone a harddrive of multiple partitions (some are NTFS) to another harddrive exactly as-is?
[21:41] <Minty> reisio: ok will do, i just reisub'd
[21:41] <reisio> Minty: I'm guessing you had a usb stick plugged in when you did a hard shutdown, and now it thinks it should always be there for some reason
[21:41] <kostkon> !clone
[21:41] <beachbuddah> Hello folks, Happy Earth Day
[21:41] <reisio> beachbuddah: heyo, and to you
[21:41] <kostkon> hmm nope
[21:41] <geirha> Noiro: ddrescue from the gddrescue package
[21:41] <beachbuddah> Running 14.04 I went to the terminal and installed tor
[21:42] <beachbuddah> ty reisin
[21:42] <beachbuddah> But of course it didn't run when I gave the command in theterm
[21:42] <reisio> r-e-i[TAB]
[21:42] <holstein> !tor
[21:42] <beachbuddah> so I uinstalled - via the software center - vidalia
[21:42] <Minty> reisio: i see ADAM--PC--vg-root amongst other things
[21:42] <Noiro> geirha, will that copy alterations made to the MBR as well?
[21:43] <Minty> reisio: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7310191/
[21:43] <geirha> If you tell it to copy the whole disk, then yes, that will include the MBR
[21:43] <beachbuddah> but running vidalia gets me the message that it can't connect to tor - why?  the path in vidalia points to usr/sbin/tor..but tor isn't there
[21:43] <beachbuddah> any idea whee it might be hiding?
[21:44] <Noiro> alright cool. I just bought a new SSD because the one in my comp is too small, so I just want to fire everything over and I can expand partitions later
[21:44] <reisio> Minty: what I would do is edit /etc/fstab as root
[21:44] <reisio> Minty: comment out the /media/blah blah adam-pc line at the end (put a # at its start), and call it a day
[21:44] <StrangeNoises> how do you set an ubuntu laptop to use a web proxy only when it's only on a given wifi network???
[21:44] <Minty> reisio: i have a feeling i added that a while ago deliberately, can't remember why now
[21:45] <reisio> Noiro: it's actually easier IME to duplicate partitions and then simply rsync over data
[21:45] <StrangeNoises> i've just realised... you can't!
[21:45] <reisio> Minty: sounds like the sort of thing that happened
[21:45] <reisio> Minty: anyways, if you remember what it was for, it'll be there in a coomment
[21:45] <reisio> comment*
[21:45] <reisio> StrangeNoises: course you can
[21:45] <StrangeNoises> automatically?
[21:45] <Minty> reisio: i didn'd add anything, that was a different file - i've never touched this one
[21:46] <StrangeNoises> ie: without going to network settings and changing it when you change networks?
[21:46] <geirha> Noiro: you can also use dd, but ddrescue can print progress (if you include -v for verbose) and it's easier to resume with it (if you abort, accidentally or otherwise)
[21:46] <Stu|> hey helpful people, after upgrade to 14.04 the other day i've had issues booting (constant reboots just before login screen), but if i go into advanced and choose recovery kernel it boots fine after selecting resume and doing nothing else, any ideas what could have screwed up?
[21:46] <Minty> reisio: oh wait, i did, the last line in the first pastebin file is to auto give certain permissions
[21:46] <Rhianne18>  Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like! http://bit.ly/1gAh6Jy
[21:47] <Noiro> i've got Windows and Ubuntu 14.04 running atm, and it'll be the same box, just don't want to have to redo configs
[21:47] <jake_> MOVE BITCH GET OUT THE WAY
[21:48] <geirha> Noiro: Right, both will do. ddrescue is just easier to deal with than dd.
[21:48] <Noiro> Will I need to print off documentation first or is it pretty intuitive to work out?
[21:49] <geirha> Noiro: You should boot a live CD, like the Ubuntu 14.04 desktop CD. From there, install gddrescue if you have internet access.
[21:49] <reisio> Minty: comment the line, it will stop complaining
[21:50] <Noiro> geirha, why do I need to install gddrescue, shouldn't it be on the cd?
[21:50] <Minty> thanks all for your help
[21:50] <Noiro> oh, wait, boot any boot cd and install it
[21:50] <geirha> Noiro: Next step is to identify the harddrives. `sudo fdisk -l`  should hopefully suffice, else you could try gparted which gives you the same information in a GUI.
[21:50] <reisio> Noiro: 'dd' probably already is
[21:50] <reisio> Noiro: it can be tricky to use
[21:51] <geirha> Noiro: dd already is, and will suffice for this, but ddrescue is not preinstalled on the live CD, but it's easy to install.
[21:51] <Noiro> I'm not the greatest with commandline, but I've played in gparted a bit
[21:51] <reisio> ddrescue is more useful for, unsurprisingly, rescuing things from broken stuff
[21:52] <geirha> Noiro: If you're currently in Ubuntu, try running   sudo fdisk -l  in a terminal it lists all your harddrives and the partitions on them
[21:53] <rnz> omg! who idiot make default override/replace xorg.conf ?!
[21:53]  * StrangeNoises marks myself affected by, and adds a comment to, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/1288604. i'm amazed more people haven't noticed this. is no-one else using ubuntu on a laptop that's actually taken to different places?
[21:53] <geirha> what? people still use xorg.conf?
[21:53] <JokesOnYou77> Hi all
[21:54] <SchrodingersScat> rnz: thought it normally prompted you..although it seemed to prompt me more on the server upgrade..
[21:54] <Noiro> geirha, got it, but I'll probably need to put the new HDD into the comp first, haha
[21:55] <rnz> for crossfire configuration need xorg.conf - (all question why - send to amd)
[21:56] <geirha> Noiro: well, yes, Ubuntu isn't able to communicate with unconnected hard drives yet :)
[21:56] <SeanFromQueens> I updated to 14.04, and am now getting error symbol 'grub_term_highlight_color'
[21:56] <reisio> rnz: hrmm?
[21:56] <Noiro> geirha, you think 14.10 will be able to support that? Seems like it'd be helpful. XD
[21:57] <geirha> Noiro: Maybe 114.04
[21:57] <SonikkuAmerica> In the year 2114 we'll be using the LCARS computer net. :P
[21:58] <Jordan_U> SeanFromQueens: Do you have more than one hard drive?
[21:58] <davejr_> having an issue on ubuntu 14.04.  using disks(palimpset) to mount a partition at startup, but if I turn off the automatic mounting options, the partition fails to mount any suggestions?
[21:58] <rnz> reisio, ?
[21:58] <mackcam> hey all, I'm using a linux distro based on ubuntu 12.04LTS. periodically while browsing the web with chromium my machine completely locks up and I need to hold the power button in order to restart it. Are there any log files that I should check out immediately following this reboot? I also tried the sysrq combination I found online but that didn't work on my laptop. I'm not afraid of the terminal (use vim as primary editor) and develop software in case that h
[21:58] <mackcam> elps you target your instructions to me. Any help appreciated, thanks.
[21:58] <JokesOnYou77> I'm trying to ssh into server 1 from server 2. Server 2 only allows login with ssh keys.  I don't have an account on Server 2 but I can su to an account on Server 1 that should be able to get into Server 2 but I get rejected when I try and log into Server 2.  How can I get in?
[21:58] <SeanFromQueens> "ls" returns (hd0) (hd0,msdos6) (hd0,msdos5) and so on, and now when attemtpting to locate mod files only get "error: unknown filesystem" when listing each partition
[21:58] <kostkon> mackcam, which one. we only support ubuntu and its official derivatives here
[21:59] <Jordan_U> mackcam: This channel only supports Ubuntu proper, not derivatives.  What would that indicate?
[22:00] <bimafra> Hey guys, I have a qucik question for you I couldnt find an answer for anywhere: What do the "independent" repos contain? And who is responsible for them? To be found in: software & updates > other software > Independent
[22:00] <EleanorEllis> The fan on my laptop seems to speed up and slow down for no apparent reason. How can I check it is needed and perhaps change this behaviour?
[22:01] <Jordan_U> mackcam: A kernel panic.
[22:01] <frib> Hi.  I've noticed that many applications have greyed out menu options.  Is there an obvious explanation for this?
[22:01] <mackcam> Jordan_U: Ah that would be an important piece of information. I'll check for that next time. Is that always the case with a kernel panic that the caps lock will blink?
[22:01] <reisio> bimafra: people with no particular Ubuntu/Debian affiliation
[22:02] <OerHeks> EleanorEllis, how do you tell "no reason"?
[22:02] <rnz> reisio, "hrmm?" -  do you have ideas, how to disable behavior of the system of recreate xorg.conf ?
[22:02] <reisio> frib: yes, in their source
[22:02] <reisio> rnz: to do what now?
[22:02] <tgm4883> OerHeks, probably via some temperature readings
[22:02] <frib> reisio, why is everything greyed out? even file manager menus are greyed out
[22:02] <mackcam> Jordan_U: If there was a kernel panic could I check one of the log files under /var/log ?
[22:02] <fayesal> Any idea why trusty with a preseed doesn't seem to be pulling packages in universe?  I need nss-ldapd etc which are in universe and it never pulls the packages.
[22:02] <SeanFromQueens> "ls" returns (hd0) (hd0,msdos6) (hd0,msdos5) and so on, and now when attemtpting to locate mod files only get "error: unknown filesystem" when listing each partition
[22:03] <reisio> frib: screenshot?
[22:03] <OerHeks> EleanorEllis, acpi is done by the bios, nothing softwarematic about it. speeding up/down sounds normal to me.
[22:03] <tgm4883> EleanorEllis, You could monitor the temperature sensors in the laptop. IIRC, the package is sensord (or was it lm-sensors)
[22:03] <EleanorEllis> OerHeks: I don't know if it's running for any good reason or not. It just makes a lot of noise even when nothing much is happening
[22:03] <kostkon> mackcam, check your logs in /var/log  e.g. syslog kern.log
[22:03] <bimafra> reisio: what would be examples? And from a security standpoint (paranoia level 999) is it adviceable to tick them on?
[22:03] <Ali3nat0r> Hi, really weird issue with gnome panel here, stuff on my screen just mirrored itself and then it wouldn't let me take a screencap, so I took this on my phone: http://ali3nat0r.tk/shizzle/WP_20140422_002.jpg - I also couldn't get into the menu to restart, so I did a hard reset and it's back to normal now. Any idea what might have happened?
[22:03] <bimafra> reisio: Trade of is always being up to date vs. trusting the repo/source...
[22:03] <frib> reisio, screenshot automatically closes the menu before taking
[22:04] <frib> reisio, but there's not really need for a ss, the menus are greyed out
[22:04] <reisio> bimafra: mmm, well it's a matter of trust
[22:04] <Jordan_U> mackcam: Only if you have a crashkernel to fall back to, which Ubuntu doesn't by default. To enable kernel crash dumps (by basically loading two kernels at boot, one which is used for normal operation and another whose only purpose in life is to be jumped to and safely save a crashdump of the first) follow: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/CrashdumpRecipe
[22:04] <reisio> bimafra: but if those repos were _known_ to have malicious software, they would not be listed
[22:04] <ezio> i keep getting a sendmail error:
[22:04] <ezio> Apr 22 06:48:08 mysite sm-mta[32052]: s3LAhstb027296<EMAIL_ADDRESS>delay=1+00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=12990000, relay=localhost.ca., dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection timed out with localhost.ca.
[22:04] <reisio> bimafra: they are merely repos by people without direct affiliation, that Canonical doesn't want to be blamed for
[22:04] <mackcam> kostkon: will do, thanks
[22:04] <ezio> it's filling up my syslog
[22:04] <rnz> reisio, When start X (lightdm) xorg.conf moved to xorg.conf.<date> and generated new xorg.conf with basic device sections. Do you know how to disable this behavior?
[22:04] <bimafra> reisio: some independent programer can alsways have a bad day
[22:05] <reisio> rnz: I doubt lightdm does that
[22:05] <reisio> bimafra: yup
[22:05] <reisio> bimafra: as can some non-"independent" Canonical dev
[22:05] <mackcam> Jordan_U: Could this have been the reason sysrq combination had no affect on my machine?
[22:05] <kostkon> bimafra, malicious software it's not about having a bad day
[22:05] <mackcam> Jordan_U: I'll read that article, thanks for the info
[22:05] <bimafra> hehe
[22:05] <reisio> bimafra: if you're that paranoid, just put your personal data in an encrypted container
[22:06] <reisio> bimafra: and run a filesystem integrity checker every now and then
[22:06] <Jordan_U> mackcam: No, sysrq should always work unless the kernel has completely panic'd (or otherwise stopped performing even the most basic of its tasks).
[22:07] <tgm4883> reisio, rnz it's not lightdm  https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/1307546
[22:07] <mackcam> Jordan_U: okay, thanks for helping me rule that out. I'll pay closer attention to detail next time the crash occurs and in the meantime sift through the log files. I appreciate the help
[22:08] <frib> why are so many menu options greyed out for various applications? ridiculous
[22:08] <bimafra> reisio: so if there is a trust issue which is always there, the question is whether I need those repos to be ticked on. Therefore, what would be examples? Audacious, mtpaint, gnome mplayer..... Such stuff? Do I loose something in terms of security if I dont tick them on?
[22:09] <owen1> after upgrading to 14.04 i don't don't see the wireless icon (HP folio ultrabook). any tips?
[22:09] <reisio> bimafra: you don't need anything until you do...
[22:09] <reisio> bimafra: I don't know mtpaint, all the rest should be in ordinary repos
[22:10] <bimafra> reisio: FYI I Just found out that this "independ" repo isnt used anymore since a few versions...
[22:10] <Beldar> frib, This a fresh install? That is not a normal, we need some context.
[22:12] <cyborgcygnus> Anybody know a good curfew, day, time, hours, time limit software/program to add to childrens accounts to limit when they can be on their account?
[22:12] <frib> Beldar, i just recently installed 13.10 and now upgraded to 14.04
[22:12] <Jordan_U> mackcam: You're welcome.
[22:12] <Beldar> frib, So exactly when did this grayed apps start?
[22:13] <frib> I'm not sure but I just noticed it today after upgrade, might have been there before too though
[22:13] <SeanFromQueens> after upgrading to 14.04 laptop boots to error: symbol "grub_term_highlight_color' and LS returns (hd0) (hd0,msdos6) (hd0,msdos5)... then only returns error: unknown filesystem.
[22:13] <tgm4883> frib, what is greyed out?
[22:13] <burlesque83> ciao
[22:13] <burlesque83> !list
[22:13] <frib> Beldar, I can open apps fine but the menu options from the top bar are mostly greyed out, not all though
[22:14] <frib> for example if i'm running file manager, everything in the "Edit" menu is greyed out
[22:14] <frib> and in the "File"　menu only "Add New Document" is enabled
[22:15] <xdrake> hi all
[22:15] <bimafra> hoi
[22:15] <rnz> tgm4883, this behavior repeated when I create new xorg.conf (by Xorg -generate, or amdconfig --initial), after restart X server, file moved... So I create config in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d, but it not loading....
[22:15] <reisio> xdrake: ohio
[22:16] <JokesOnYou77> I'm trying to ssh into server 1 from server 2. Server 2 only allows login with ssh keys.  I don't have an account on Server 2 but I can su to an account on Server 1 that should be able to get into Server 2 but I get rejected when I try and log into Server 2.  How can I get in to Server 2?
[22:16] <SeanFromQueens> after upgrading to 14.04 laptop boots to error: symbol "grub_term_highlight_color' and LS returns (hd0) (hd0,msdos6) (hd0,msdos5)... then only returns error: unknown filesystem.
[22:17] <frib> so any idea about these greyed out menus?
[22:17] <rnz> tgm4883, xorg_fix_proprietary.py start once only...
[22:18] <frib> excuse me how can i change desktop manager to just avoid this problem?
[22:19] <giorgiodinapoli> hey guys iu die here. my ubuntu installation skips, with package retrievale failed: error unable to find block-modules something. same stick was working on another machine!!!"?=!
[22:19] <regulat0r> hey can some help me out with booting win8 and ubuntu with the bios issue ?
[22:19] <Beldar> !ask > regulat0r
[22:19] <regulat0r> ok
[22:20] <regulat0r> sorry
[22:20] <SeanFromQueens> after upgrading to 14.04 laptop boots to error: symbol "grub_term_highlight_color' and LS returns (hd0) (hd0,msdos6) (hd0,msdos5)... then only returns error: unknown filesystem.
[22:20] <rnz> tgm4883, and my system don't have "nvidia prime postrm script"....
[22:20] <Beldar> SeanFromQueens, This a dual boot if so with what?
[22:21] <Beldar> SeanFromQueens, Have you modified grub in general?
[22:21] <SeanFromQueens> Beldar: Kubuntu and Win7
[22:21] <Kevin`> how can I fix this? "systemd-udevd[119]: renamed network interface eth0 to p128p1
[22:21] <SeanFromQueens> Beldar: have not modified grub, not sure how I could
[22:22] <Beldar> !bootinfo | SeanFromQueens
[22:22] <doge_wow> I have firefox with root permissions. I believe it was preinstalled. What are the best practices concerning ownership and permission settings for firefox? There are other stuff like flash, plugins & stuff and what permissions do they need in order to have a safe browser?
[22:22] <Beldar> SeanFromQueens, My concern is what this means, "then only returns error: unknown filesystem." the boot summary may help here.
[22:23] <tgm4883> rnz, I'd reply to that ticket then saying you are having that same issue but don't have that file
[22:23] <kenetik> doge_wow: all programs should be installed as a user, not root
[22:23] <k1l> doge_wow: what? dont run firefox as root or sudo
[22:23] <doge_wow> kenetik, k1l: but firefox was preinstalled as root. I didn't do that.
[22:23] <tgm4883> kenetik, doge_wow he means don't run it as root.
[22:23] <SonikkuAmerica> kenetik: You can't install programs without root
[22:23] <k1l> doge_wow: what ubuntu are you on exactly?
[22:24] <SeanFromQueens> when i say it gives only ¨error: unknown filesystem¨ I mean when I use the comand ls for each partition
[22:24] <MonkeyDust> doge_wow  what's the outcome of   cat /etc/issue.net
[22:24] <MonkeyDust> doge_wow  what's the outcome of   cat /etc/issue
[22:24] <kenetik> He's not running it as root tho is he?
[22:24] <Jordan_U> SeanFromQueens: What is the output of "ls $prefix/" at the rescue shell?
[22:24] <reisio> he either is or he isn't!
[22:25] <k1l> doge_wow: programs need to be installed with root privileges. but you start that programs only as user
[22:25] <rnz> tgm4883, thx!  I think that trouble made "gpu-manager"
[22:26] <SeanFromQueens> Beldar: ./../gfblacklist.txt i386-pc/ locale/ fonts/ unicode.pf2 grubenv setup_left_core_image_in_filesystem grub.cfg
[22:27] <Beldar> SeanFromQueens, Be sure to answer to who asks.
[22:27] <doge_wow> MonkeyDust: Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[22:27] <SeanFromQueens> sorry meant Jordan_YOU
[22:27] <rnz> tgm4883, thx!  I think this trouble is in "gpu-manager"
[22:27] <Beldar> SeanFromQueens, YOu can tab complete nicks.
[22:27] <tgm4883> rnz, yw
[22:27] <doge_wow> oh okay, so if Firefox has root permissions that's okay as long as I run it as another user?
[22:28] <MonkeyDust> SeanFromQueens  type   sea [tab]
[22:28] <EleanorEllis> tgm4883 and OerHeks: I've installed the gnome sensors applet and the CPU Frequency Scaling Monitor. It appears that all four processors are running at about 75 to 80 degrees celsius. I have just set the CPU frequency scaling to "Conservative" from On Demand and it is running at the lowest speed available (800MHz) with a loading of 36%. All I am doing is watching a DVD and I have a few browser windows open. Does this seem like norm
[22:29] <tgm4883> EleanorEllis, what processor?
[22:29] <SeanFromQueens> Jordan_U: I did mean to respond to your $prefix question
[22:30] <k1l> doge_wow: yes. because it needs the permissions to install into that specific folders. but when you run it as the user he cant change the important stuff there
[22:30] <SeanFromQueens> Jordan_U:  ./../gfblacklist.txt i386-pc/ locale/ fonts/ unicode.pf2 grubenv setup_left_core_image_in_filesystem grub.cfg
[22:30] <EleanorEllis> tgm4883: It's am Intel Core i3 - 2330M
[22:30] <rnz> tgm4883, that is right -  /etc/init/gpu-manager.conf:exec gpu-manager --log /var/log/gpu-manager.log : ... Removing xorg.conf. Path: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:30] <rnz> Regenerating xorg.conf. Path: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:30] <Jordan_U> SeanFromQueens: The fact that you get that output basically means that listing the contents of at least one partition will not result in just an "unknown filesystemd" error, which is good.
[22:30] <tgm4883> EleanorEllis, that seems a bit on the hot side
[22:30] <Kevin`> has nobody seen my problem? I can't find anything on google, i'm down to reading the udev source to look where the word "p128p" comes from
[22:30] <EleanorEllis> tgm4883: It's just a little irritating that the fan makes so much noise
[22:31] <Jordan_U> SeanFromQueens: Can you "insmod multiboot"?
[22:31] <fayesal> Kevin: that sounds like a malformed biosdevname
[22:31] <tgm4883> EleanorEllis, well if that temperature is correct, it does seem like it's working. Because at that hot it should turn on the fan to cool it off
[22:31] <Kevin`> fayesal: how can I list biosdevname
[22:32] <EleanorEllis> tgm4883: The air outlet does feel quite warm. Any idea why it would be running so hot? Or how I can check why it is so hot?
[22:32] <doge_wow> k1l: ok, but if firefox is running as user X but was installed with root, then doesn't user X automatically run firefox with root permissions?
[22:32] <SeanFromQueens> Jordan_U: returns error: symbol ǵrub_file_progress_hook´not found.
[22:32] <tgm4883> EleanorEllis, looks like the maximum operating temperature for that is 85 C
[22:32] <fayesal> Kevin`: biosdevname -i <ethernet device>
[22:33] <Jordan_U> SeanFromQueens: OK, not unexpected. You'll need to boot from a LiveCD/USB and properly run grub-install.
[22:33] <Kevin`> # biosdevname -i p128p1
[22:33] <Kevin`> p128p1
[22:33] <tgm4883> EleanorEllis, well it's hot because something is using it. You could run 'top' and see if there is some other process pegging the CPU
[22:33] <reisio> doge_wow: nope
[22:33] <k1l> doge_wow: no
[22:33] <fayesal> Kevin`: heh
[22:33] <Kevin`> fayesal: so, how can I fix this?
[22:33] <reisio> doge_wow: the idea is to use root privileges only when you need to
[22:34] <reisio> doge_wow: that's the whole idea, too distinguish between day-to-day and sensitive activities
[22:34] <reisio> to dist*
[22:34] <m100> Do you guys see this message?
[22:34] <Jordan_U> m100: No.
[22:34] <fayesal> Kevin`: uninstall biosdevname and use 70-persistent-net.rules
[22:34] <tgm4883> m100, maybe
[22:34] <reisio> m100: I see the part where you offered me money
[22:34] <m100> Lol. Posting this from my TRS-80 model 100.
[22:34] <doge_wow> m100: what message?
[22:35] <MonkeyDust> m100  i see you upside down
[22:35] <Kevin`> fayesal: every time I look up how to write udev rules manually I get completely different syntax. sometimes it even works
[22:35] <EleanorEllis> tgm4883: Here is the output of top | pastebinit, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7310473/
[22:35] <fayesal> Kevin`: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/development/chapter07/network.html
[22:36] <SeanFromQueens> Jordan_U: from a liveCD that I made prior to my troubles, now i get BusyBox v1.01 (Debian 1:1.01-4ubuntu3) Built-in shell (ash) Enter elp´for a list of built-in commands.
[22:36] <fayesal> Kevin`: NAME= the interface name (you probably want eth0 or something)
[22:36] <Kevin`> fayesal: will whatever is using biosdevname override local udev rules?
[22:36] <fayesal> Kevin`: if biosdevname package is installed, it takes priority.
[22:36] <SeanFromQueens> Jordan_U: then /bin/sh: can access tty; job control turned off#
[22:36] <fayesal> Kevin`: hence uninstall biosdevname
[22:37] <tgm4883> EleanorEllis, that's a bit weird, probably because top refreshes every second. How about piping a single top run to temp file, then use pastebinit. You can get a single run by doing "top -n 1"
[22:37] <Jordan_U> !rootirc | root
[22:40] <wolter> anybody getting evolution asking for passwords at every launch?
[22:40] <Kevin`> fayesal: thanks, should be able to figure something out
[22:41] <fayesal> Kevin`: I really like biosdevname when it works.  my slot 1 pci card always shows up as p1p1 and p1p2
[22:44] <Su7> Hi, I have an issue with wallpapers
[22:45] <reisio> Su7: neat
[22:45] <Su7> I have a 1366*768 laptop plugged to a full hd screen. When I set a 3200*2800 wallpaper, it is displayed in its native resolution on both monitors, which is good
[22:46] <EleanorEllis> tgm4883: That's not so easy to read, http://imagebin.org/307033
[22:46] <reisio> Su7: super neat
[22:46] <Su7> but when I log off and log back in, the wallpaper seems to be in 1366*768 on the full HD screen too which does NOT look neat at all :-(
[22:47] <EleanorEllis> tgm4883: Totem is the top CPU consumer and it's only using 25%
[22:47] <tgm4883> EleanorEllis, hmm, doesn't look like a lot is going on. Is the laptop on a flat smooth surface or on something cloth like your lap?
[22:47] <EleanorEllis> It's on a flat metal surface
[22:48] <EleanorEllis> tgm4883: It's on a flat metal surface
[22:49] <tgm4883> EleanorEllis, hmm. Doesn't seem like it should be getting that hot then. What laptop?
[22:49] <EleanorEllis> tgm4883: Maybe it might be worth opening up the case tomorrow and hoovering out any dust. It's an Acer Aspire 5749
[22:49] <EleanorEllis> with 8GB RAM
[22:50] <SonikkuAmerica> Does performing a release upgrade in 12.10 bring one to 13.10 or 13.04?
[22:50] <EleanorEllis> SonikkuAmerica: I believe it would upgrade to 13.04
[22:50] <SonikkuAmerica> I thought so
[22:51] <EleanorEllis> SonikkuAmerica: You can check by running upgrade manager and seeing what it proposes to upgrade to. You don't actually have to do the upgrade
[22:51] <tgm4883> EleanorEllis, another thing you might try is going into the BIOS/UEFI and seeing if there are temperature readings in there. We can troubleshoot this quite a bit, but I'm not sure there is anything we could do about the fan. Those are mostly handled by the BIOS now (I actually have a Dell I want to do the opposite on and turn the fan on all the time, but can't)
[22:52] <EleanorEllis> tgm4883: Thanks, I will try that and come back. I could also try booting into Windows7 and seeing if the same behaviour happens there
[22:55] <macscam1> hello, my right click sucks so i am wondering if anyone knows how to make control click right click
[22:57] <reisio> macscam1: look into xmodmap
[22:58] <macscam1> thx reisio
[22:59] <Jordan_U> How can I convert a png file to a bmp with 4 bit color depth? I have tried to use imagemagic's convert, with "convert test.png -depth 4 test.bmp", but this results in an image with a bit depth of 32.
[23:02] <vector_> how do I get an animated gif in kde as the wallpaper
[23:02] <reisio> vector_: by suspending good taste
[23:02] <bekks> reisio++
[23:02] <reisio> Jordan_U: what makes you think it's 32?
[23:03] <vector_> It doesn't have to be a gif but want an animation on kde
[23:04] <reisio> vector_: likely what you do is tell KDE where your image is
[23:04] <reisio> done
[23:04] <Jordan_U> reisio: The fact that the result is 33KiB rather than 5, and my image viewer says so also.
[23:04] <reisio> Jordan_U: what image viewer?
[23:05] <vector_> kde doesn't seen to support animated gif
[23:05] <reisio> Jordan_U: what does identify -verbose say?
[23:05] <reisio> vector_: see if xsetroot does, then
[23:05] <reisio> vector_: or try MNG or APNG
[23:05] <reisio> vector_: or make a script that refreshes unanimated frames in succession
[23:05] <reisio> vector_: or use one of those apps that sets a "web page" as background, and use an animated web page image/background
[23:06] <intok> Whas the state of Bluray playbck in 14.04?
[23:06] <reisio> vector_: or use one of those apps that sets a video as background
[23:06] <reisio> intok: extant
[23:07] <ax562> Why does ubuntu 12.04LTS use up so much ram?  I have 4GB of ram and ubuntu is using 3.5GB while nothing is running.  This cannot be how it's supposed to be working.
[23:07] <ax562> according to "Top"
[23:07] <reisio> ax562: unused ram is wasted ram
[23:07] <reisio> http://www.linuxatemyram.com/
[23:07] <reisio> what's better, rationing all your food, or pretending you won't ever run out?
[23:08] <vector_> reisio: would xsetroot work at 10 fps
[23:08] <reisio> vector_: it either will or it won't
[23:09] <Yelu> reisio, reisio on animations with *vector_* graphics: just priceless ... thank you
[23:10] <reisio> well, you don't need vectors for finite dimensions (a monitor of known dimensions)
[23:10] <reisio> but
[23:11] <reisio> for that I'd go with the "website as desktop" route
[23:11] <reisio> since web browsers already have animated vector support
[23:11] <reisio> looking to the future, you can probably do some cute things with wayland stuff
[23:11] <reisio> you can probably do something nice and hacky with imagemagick's animate and some other hackery, too
[23:12] <Kevin`> fayesal: it's getting named to p128p1 with biosdevname uninstalled, and the rule I tried to write myself to override it also applies to vlan interfaces and breaks them
[23:12] <reisio> Kevin`: what's getting renamed?
[23:13] <Kevin`> reisio: eth0
[23:13] <reisio> Kevin`: why do you care what it's named?
[23:13] <Kevin`> reisio: it's not a static name, it'll probably change randomly
[23:13] <Kevin`> and now, there's no script or application that should be assigning this name
[23:14] <Kevin`> why is it still here
[23:14] <reisio> no... that's the whole point of those names, that they not change
[23:14] <reisio> "eth0" is ambiguous
[23:14] <Kevin`> it's not ambiguous when it's in persistant net rules
[23:14] <Jordan_U> reisio: The image viewer is Windows Photo Viewer (on another machine), but indeed identify --verbose outputs http://paste.ubuntu.com/7310637/ , which does indeed seem to say that the image has a bit depth of 4.
[23:15] <reisio> Kevin`: I'd just pass net.ifnames=0 in grub's config and call ita  day
[23:16] <reisio> Jordan_U: well I can tell you right now which of those applications I trust
[23:16] <Kevin`> what's that do?
[23:16] <reisio> Jordan_U: and it's not the one that starts with 'Windows'
[23:16] <reisio> Jordan_U: however
[23:16] <reisio> Jordan_U: if you have an _example_ file that is a bitmap of the depth and other attributes that Windows sees the way you _want it to see_
[23:16] <reisio> Jordan_U: you can use the information identify -verbose gives you on _that file_ to figure out how to duplicate those attributes on another file
[23:17] <reisio> Jordan_U: what're you fiddling with either of BMP or depth with for anyways, though?
[23:20] <Jordan_U> reisio: For work we have a rugged OLED display that we need to drive from a microcontroller, and it's 4 bits per pixel (for 16 shades of yellow). BMP is a format that I can display with a simple loop in C.
[23:20] <reisio> fair enough
[23:20] <reisio> I wouldn't worry about what Windows thinks, in that case
[23:21] <reisio> or indeed in almost any case :p
[23:21] <Jordan_U> reisio: The size does worry me though, I'm testing it with the actual display/microcontroller now.
[23:23] <reisio> 33k?
[23:23] <reisio> for what dimensions?
[23:23] <Jordan_U> reisio: For a 128x64 image.
[23:23] <reisio> ooh, rdesktop is on this live image
[23:25] <reisio> that does seem a little high, but not hugely so
[23:25] <Jordan_U> reisio: gcc won't even allow me to make an array large enough to test it.
[23:26] <reisio> 8/4-bit doesn't sound like what you really want
[23:27] <Guest3848> hola
[23:27] <Jordan_U> reisio: Basically, I need to end up with an array of bytes that I can send directly to the display, with the first nibble containing the brightness of one pixel, and the second nibble containing the brightness of the pixel after it, starting at the top left pixel, and moving right until the end of the line then moving down to the next line. A 16 "color" BMP gets me almost this, as the end of the file is lines from right to left, ...
[23:27] <Jordan_U> ... but for some misterical raisins has lines from bottom to top (which I can deal with).
[23:29] <dw1> mmm, misterical raisins
[23:29] <reisio> Guest3848: shalom
[23:29] <reisio> dw1: mmm
[23:29] <reisio> Jordan_U: so just brightness, but not different colors?
[23:29] <Jordan_U> reisio: Correct.
[23:30] <reisio> Jordan_U: think I'd just use a text file with like... hex values in it
[23:30] <Jok3r> Hi all!
[23:30] <dw1> all is away
[23:31] <Jok3r> too bad dwl
[23:31] <dw1> yeah, whats up?
[23:31] <Jok3r> nothing really, just a noob here
[23:31] <Jok3r> is this channel for support only?
[23:32] <reisio> Jordan_U: should be like 12k then
[23:32] <dw1> yeah, pretty much
[23:32] <Jordan_U> reisio: And currently I'm generating said text file by exporting (from the original svg) to png from inkscape, then using MS paint to save as 16 "color" bmp, then using grub-bin2hex to generate a header file with the array definition. Obviously the use of MS Paint is somewhat embarrasing and less than ideal, and so I'm trying to replace that step :)
[23:33] <reisio> you can probably do all that with just imagemagick, it wouldn't surprise me
[23:34] <Jordan_U> reisio: 4 KiB exactly for that actual pixel data.
[23:34] <reisio> few ppl in ##imagemagick
[23:34] <Jordan_U> reisio: I asked there first :)
[23:34] <reisio> you sick asker you
[23:36] <Jordan_U> reisio: 64 * 128 = 8192 pixels, at 2 pixels per byte that's 4096 bytes.
[23:36] <reisio> I have a script somewhere for printing out the color information of an individual pixel from stdin using imagemagick
[23:36] <reisio> but it's buried deep
[23:36] <AP--> i keep getting quieted on channels
[23:37] <reisio> one of the convert -options just prints info
[23:37] <reisio> format :txt or something
[23:37] <reisio> AP--: neat
[23:37] <dw1> AP--: thats off topic.. first warning (jk)
[23:37] <AP--> D:
[23:37] <cyborgcygnus> Anyone have this problem when trying to use another hdd for steam games? "New steam library folder must be on a file system mounted with executive permissions"? It's preventing me from using my game drive as the default install location
[23:37] <AP--> don't even joke about it, dw1
[23:39] <SchrodingersScat> cyborgcygnus: prediction: your 'game' drive is ntfs?
[23:39] <ezio> dw1: joking in the channel is off topic
[23:39] <AP--> hahaha
[23:39] <AP--> it's funny because you aren't joking
[23:39] <cyborgcygnus> schrodingerscat, yes
[23:40] <dw1> cyborgcygnus: some advice here http://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/1nzhlm/new_steam_library_folder_must_be_on_a_filesystem/
[23:40] <dw1> ezio: yeah, im pushing my luck a little :p
[23:41] <Jok3r> people, does anyone know if I can install this latest version of Xubuntu in a non-pae machine?!
[23:41] <owen1> after upgrading to 14.04 i don't don't see the wireless icon (HP folio ultrabook). any tips?
[23:41] <daftykins> cyborgcygnus: NTFS being a bad idea as warned in dw1's link is accurate - you really ought to change it to EXT4
[23:41] <SchrodingersScat> cyborgcygnus: yeah, I don't think that's an acceptable setup, please choose a common filesystem, something a little more modern?
[23:42] <EleanorEllis> tgm4883: There weren't any BIOS options for controlling power at all. I couldn't test it in Windows. The first time I booted Windows it took some time to do some system updates before rebooting, then after starting Windows it just sat there for over five minutes saying "Please wait". After rebooting Ubuntu and logging in, the CPU temperature was about 65 degrees C, but quickly rose to about 80 degrees once I started watching a DVD. Str
[23:42] <AP--> i lost my coffee knife s:
[23:43] <reisio> EleanorEllis: long msg, cut off
[23:43] <cyborgcygnus> schrodingerscat, lol both hilarious replies. It's a drive I use in Windows & I simply made a folder for steam games, I can't reformat the whole drive as I won't be able to use it in windows. Looks like my old poop 500gbs is going to btrfs (Would I run into problems using that for steam games?)
[23:43] <k1l> AP--: lets keep that channel here for ubuntu support. thanks
[23:43] <EleanorEllis> tgm4883: After rebooting Ubuntu and logging in, the CPU temperature was about 65 degrees C, but quickly rose to about 80 degrees once I started watching a DVD. Strange though as totem is still only using about 23% CPU and it is the hungriest application running at the moment
[23:44] <tgm4883> EleanorEllis, yea that seems odd to me
[23:44] <AP--> k1l, spoon me
[23:44] <AP--> both ways ;)
[23:45] <SchrodingersScat> cyborgcygnus: I made the same mistake, made a partition ntfs as a common ground between windows and linux, as windows is on the opposite side often asking that disks be in ntfs, the life lesson is don't get peer pressured into using inferior products.  idk if btrfs helps you
[23:45] <dw1> owen1: are you on lubuntu or standard ubuntu?
[23:45] <owen1> dw1: standard
[23:45] <EleanorEllis> tgm4883: Any ideas what I can try, apart from hoovering out dust tomorrow
[23:46] <dw1> owen1: tried adding indicator applet to panel-bar?
[23:46] <cyborgcygnus> schrodingerscat, it's weird because at the install screen for xubuntu it gives the option for formatting the partition/drive to btrfs but once installed gparted has that blanked out. I'd have to install it from a terminal again or software centre.
[23:46] <owen1> dw1: can u elaborate?
[23:46] <tgm4883> EleanorEllis, not sure. Definitely worth cleaning it out though
[23:47] <owen1> dw1: ifconfig doesn't show address
[23:47] <owen1> (wlan0)
[23:47] <dw1> owen1: sudo service network-manager start ?
[23:48] <owen1> dw1:  sudo service network-manager status -> unrecognized service
[23:49] <dw1> owen1: hmm i think thats weird
[23:49] <owen1> dw1: what does pi means in aptitude search?
[23:49] <owen1> i see pi network-manager
[23:50] <dw1> owen1: wish i knew.. im noob with those things.. installed is ii i think
[23:50] <owen1> I see 'i' next to network-manager-pptp
[23:50] <dw1> owen1: mine are ii
[23:50] <owen1> interesting.
[23:50] <owen1> i'll try installing it
[23:51] <mic_e> hi, I'm currently trying to install xubuntu trusty on a T400, and it crashes when clicking 'next' on the time zone screen
[23:51] <daftykins> one letter is the intended status whereas the other is the *ACTUAL* status of the package :)
[23:53] <Yelu> owen1: a guess: (p)urge? (i)nstalled
[23:53] <owen1> Yelu: reading about it.  yeah. p means ' no trace of the package exists on the system'
[23:53] <mic_e> no stdout at all
[23:54] <dw1> owen1: where you readin?
[23:54] <mic_e> it just shows a nice 'we are so sorry it crashed' message
[23:54] <owen1> dw1: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1584652
[23:54] <dw1> owen1: thx
[23:54] <dw1> i usually use dpkg -l | grep <stuff> , and man dpkg was not helpful
[23:54] <owen1> it's not very clear to me what the second char means. it say 'The second character indicates the stored action (if any; otherwise a blank space is displayed) to be performed on the package'
[23:55] <owen1> dw1: now it's 'i'
[23:55] <Jordan_U> owen1: As in "install".
[23:55] <daftykins> owen1: see where i said above?
[23:56] <dw1> owen1: dpkg -l | grep network-man = ii ? :)
[23:56] <owen1> oh. cool.
[23:56] <owen1> dw1: i can see the networks now.
[23:56] <dw1> owen1: glad it was so easy
[23:56] <owen1> so from some reason after the upgrade this package was purged?
[23:57] <dw1> gremlin in the system :(
[23:57] <mic_e> correction: it actually crashes a few seconds after I click 'install now'
[23:58] <mic_e> which just happened to coincide with the moment I selected the timezone
[23:58] <mic_e> and it doesn't even tell me what it means by 'has crashed'
[23:58] <mic_e> did it segfault?
[23:59] <dw1> mic_e: live cd/usb works ?