[02:37] <CaptainJewBacon> 	Hey guys, having some trouble at the moment on my asus g75vx with the brightness fn keys not working and secondly how can I get my keyboard backlight to be on once booted into ubuntu 14.04LTS
[08:14] <Saviq> mzanetti, those are not recent apps, but "core" apps, and yes, there's meant to be no header
[08:14] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: good catch on the tags, no idea where they came from, they are not even on Saviq's delete bad tags script
[08:15] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: its a virus
[08:15] <mzanetti> Saviq: ack. Just wanted to make sure
[08:15] <Saviq> it *is* a virus
[08:16] <mzanetti> yeah yeah...
[08:16] <mzanetti> :P
[08:39] <cimi> hi @unity
[08:39] <mzanetti> hi cimi
[08:39] <cimi> back from holidays - in reality I am still in italy :D
[08:40] <MacSlow> cimi, hey there... how was the vacation?
[08:40] <cimi> managed to miss my flight
[08:40] <MacSlow> cimi, *g*
[08:40] <cimi> was good
[08:41] <cimi> not proper holidays in exotic place but we were trying to save money this year...
[08:41] <cimi> (we stayed at my old house in Padua)
[08:42] <Saviq> ok /me needs to reinstall
[08:44] <cimi> Saviq, MacSlow I'll try to be in the office tomorrow after lunch - missed my flight yesterday and had to buy a new ticket for tomorrow
[08:44] <Saviq> cimi, k
[08:44] <cimi> such a good way to waste my money -.-
[08:44] <cimi> ok let me not think about it
[08:45] <MacSlow> cimi, well that'll teach you to be on time in the future :)
[08:45] <cimi> MacSlow, or not confuse dates?
[08:46] <cimi> ok I gave enough information, you can mock me for the rest of my life
[08:46] <cimi> happened to otto as well btw :D
[08:47] <tsdgeos> cimi: you're missing go-karting today!
[08:48] <cimi> oooooooooooooooooooooooh fu*k
[08:48] <cimi> tsdgeos, where are you guys going?
[08:48] <tsdgeos> cimi: no idea, somewhere JohnLea is bringing us to, may even be a slaghterhouse for all i know ^_^ :D
[08:50] <MacSlow> cimi, maybe you're in time for Friday-evening joining me for a test-drive in a Tesla Model S P85+... I need to show London who's boss on the streets ;)
[08:50] <MacSlow> cimi, go-kart riding will be a good training for that :)
[08:51] <mzanetti> MacSlow: carefuk: http://www.golem.de/news/tueren-geoeffnet-studenten-hacken-tesla-model-s-1407-108021.html
[08:51] <mzanetti> careful
[08:51] <MacSlow> mzanetti, hehe... I know about that
[08:51] <mzanetti> :D
[08:51] <cimi> MacSlow, read that... I have sister coming :(
[08:51] <cimi> MacSlow, oculus rift?
[08:52] <MacSlow> cimi, not yet... my order slipped the first batch of DK2's being send out by just a few days... looks more like August
[08:53] <mzanetti> aw meeen... I wanna go go-carting too
[08:53] <mzanetti> would also join the tesla ride... but the go-carting annoys me more :D
[08:53] <cimi> MacSlow, :'(
[08:53] <cimi> MacSlow, was so much looking forward to it
[08:53] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: hey, what up with this? https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/removeDuplicateCheckers/+merge/221365
[08:54] <cimi> mzanetti, we did a go karting engineering race in prague
[08:54] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: i'll disacrd it i guess
[08:54] <cimi> company one
[08:54] <cimi> I arrived second :)
[08:54] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: it's minor and we can't seem to reach an agreement :D
[08:54] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: i have https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/easier_headerless_categories/+merge/227872 for you
[08:55] <MacSlow> cimi, yeah me too
[08:55] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: ok, I'll review again if you promise not to completely change it again afterwards :P
[08:55] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: it does the same as yesterdays branch (i.e. fix the issue with empty headers and stuff) but it a much easier (codewise) way
[08:55] <cimi> CTO won but obviously because was shorter and slim
[08:55] <mzanetti> haha
[08:55] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: yeah Saviq's fault :D
[08:55] <mzanetti> pff... it *is* always him
[08:56] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: it really makes more sense this way, the old way we were making the LVPWH do two things with null section headers and it was confusing and convoluted
[08:56] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: sure, no worries...
[08:57] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: and with this one i kind of don't need a test in lvwph since there's no change in it
[08:57] <tsdgeos> which is good
[08:57] <mzanetti> yeah, seems quite simple
[08:58] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: well, nitpicking I could say you should test it in testGenericScopeView
[08:58] <mhr3> tsdgeos, https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity-scope-click/overview-icons/+merge/227731
[08:58] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: sure
[08:59] <tsdgeos> that'd be nitpicking ...
[08:59] <tsdgeos> :D
[08:59] <tsdgeos> but it'd be like testing qml height works
[08:59] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: but not sure... if you already have some mock without a header, you could just add some small check for margins == 0
[08:59] <tsdgeos> which imho is a bit overkill
[08:59] <mzanetti> yeah.. I tend to agree
[09:05] <tsdgeos> mhr3: package is broken, departmentsdb wants to install a file that collides with regular scope-click
[09:06] <mhr3> tsdgeos, crap, can you pastebin the error?
[09:06] <tsdgeos> mhr3: give me a sec
[09:07] <tsdgeos> mhr3: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7841018/
[09:08] <mhr3> tsdgeos, thx, try to just --force it, i just screwed debian and put the same file into two different pkgs
[09:10] <tsdgeos> mhr3: ok
[09:10] <tsdgeos> mhr3: need to recompile some stuff, to make sure it's all clean
[09:10] <tsdgeos> will check it works asap
[09:10] <mhr3> tsdgeos, otherwise, i pushed a fix to the branch, jenkins should build it soon... (~hour)
[09:12] <tsdgeos> mhr3: i think you forgot some files in the overview branch of scopes-shell
[09:12] <tsdgeos> doesn't build anymore
[09:12] <tsdgeos> overviewtest.cpp ?
[09:12] <mhr3> tsdgeos, :/ fixing
[09:13] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: approved. can you do this one? https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/launcher-new-count-emblem/+merge/226998
[09:13] <mhr3> tsdgeos, pushed
[09:15] <tsdgeos> mhr3: cheers
[10:03] <mzanetti> Saviq: you back?
[10:29] <cimi> Saviq, do we have a list of UI bugs to tackle during the sprint?
[10:37] <Saviq> mzanetti, back now, fresh install, \o/
[10:37] <Saviq> such wow, much speed
[10:37] <mzanetti> Saviq: heh
[10:38] <mzanetti> Saviq: so... question: there's some code that does dash.setCurrentScope("clickscope", animate, false)
[10:38] <mzanetti> Saviq: I'm afraid we need IPC between shell and dash
[10:38] <Saviq> mzanetti, yes, we do
[10:38] <Saviq> actually let me confirm
[10:40] <facundobatista> Holas
[10:41] <trijntje> Hi all, I was wondering why the ability to interact with the top bar was removed from unity
[10:41] <trijntje> for example, you used to be able to type shutdown or the name of the wifi network in the HUD, and you would shutdown the pc or connect to the network
[10:44] <cimi> Saviq, ^^
[10:44] <cimi>  do we have a list of UI bugs to tackle during the sprint?
[10:45] <cimi> currently going around the UI and see changes during my vacation
[10:45] <cimi> and things not yet fixed
[11:05] <tsdgeos> mhr3: do you know if there's any scope returning attributes in cards already?
[11:05] <mhr3> tsdgeos, no, attrs weren't even specced fully
[11:06] <mhr3> tsdgeos, unless saying that it's an array of dicts with "value" keys is enough
[11:07] <mzanetti> Saviq: err..... how do I launch an app? (<- stupid question of the day)
[11:08] <tsdgeos> click on it!
[11:08] <mzanetti> Saviq: Qt.openUrlExternally("appid://...") doesn't seem to do
[11:08] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: ^
[11:10] <Saviq> mzanetti, any interesting error?
[11:10] <mzanetti> Saviq: I think I need to s/_/\//
[11:11] <Saviq> mzanetti, right, yup
[11:11] <mzanetti> Saviq: should I really do that in QML now?
[11:11] <Saviq> mzanetti, there's no other way for you to launch apps otherwise, so I'd say yes
[11:12] <Saviq> mzanetti, it's a simple .replace("_", "/") so...
[11:12] <mzanetti> Saviq: lol
[11:12] <mzanetti> wait till legacy apps come im
[11:12] <Saviq> mzanetti, *or*
[11:12] <mzanetti> or we fix that stuff in the lower layers?
[11:12] <Saviq> mzanetti, don't we get those from the click scope directly?
[11:12] <mzanetti> yes
[11:12] <Saviq> like uri:/// ?
[11:12] <Saviq> erm
[11:12] <Saviq> I mean in the uri role
[11:12] <mzanetti> why do we even have 5 different formats
[11:13] <mzanetti> no, its just the appid
[11:13] <mzanetti> com.foobar.app_app_0.1
[11:13] <mzanetti> or "camera-app"
[11:13] <Saviq> mzanetti, in uri? stoppid :|
[11:13]  * Saviq tries and find out why
[11:14] <mzanetti> Saviq: we have this: scope.activateApplication.connect(activateApp);
[11:15] <mzanetti> Saviq: and activateApp() is called with a param appId
[11:18] <Saviq> mzanetti, please file a bug against unity-scope-click to return proper uris
[11:19] <mzanetti> Saviq: I guess we need to land that in the same silo as the dash-as-app stuff though...
[11:26] <Saviq> mzanetti, or before
[11:26] <mzanetti> Saviq: I think that would break trunk
[11:27] <mzanetti> Saviq: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-scope-click/+bug/1347605
[11:27] <Saviq> mzanetti, not if we do it proper
[11:27] <Saviq> mzanetti, I mean yeah, we need changes in unit8y
[11:27] <Saviq> mzanetti, but those can happen before dash as app
[11:28] <mzanetti> Saviq: well, yeah, if we're adding workarounds to unpack it again
[11:28] <mzanetti> whcih I don't think makes much sense tbh
[11:29] <Saviq> mzanetti, no, we'd just need to check whether it's application:/// or appid:/// and put it through dispatcher already
[11:30] <mzanetti> ah, ok, yeah
[11:30] <mzanetti> that'd be ok
[11:30] <mzanetti> ish
[11:41] <dandrader> tsdgeos, how can I watch a code review? (ie, get an e-mail on every change made to it). I would like to watch this one https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/88064/
[11:42] <tsdgeos> dandrader: just comment on it
[11:42] <tsdgeos> vote 0
[11:42] <tsdgeos> or add yourself to the top
[11:42] <tsdgeos> in the add reviewers
[11:42] <dandrader> ugh
[11:53] <tsdgeos> dandrader: ¿
[11:54] <mzanetti> I guess he'd like to spy on it without people seeing his name :)
[11:54] <dandrader> tsdgeos, having to add yourself as a reviewer just to be able to watch a code review is a hack
[11:54] <tsdgeos> you really have a high bar for what you think a hack is
[11:54] <tsdgeos> it just seems natural to me
[11:55] <dandrader> mzanetti, yes. I'm a shy guy. it's ridiculous to think that I could actually review that code :)
[11:56] <mzanetti> dandrader: :D
[11:58] <mhr3> dandrader, subscribe to the MPed branch
[11:58] <Saviq> mhr3, it's in gerrit ;)
[11:59] <mhr3> oh, qt... nvm :)
[12:08] <Saviq> cimi, you just got a doc shared with you
[12:09] <Saviq> cimi, that has tasks for the dash to do
[12:09] <Saviq> cimi, but you've some branches that need attending, too
[12:11] <cwayne> greyback: ping, is there still a ppa that would enable shell rotation?
[12:11] <greyback> cwayne: not at the moment sorry
[12:14] <cwayne> greyback: agh, thanks
[12:14]  * cwayne was hoping it was in qtcomp
[12:14] <greyback> cwayne: no, it's a later step once we get qtcomp landed
[12:16] <greyback> ..
[12:17] <polyp> Hi there
[12:17] <polyp> I've just had a fantastic idea for the unity launcher bar. Is this a good place to suggest it?
[12:21] <mzanetti> polyp: hmm.. I guess a bug report for ubuntu-ux would be the best place. what's the idea?
[12:22] <polyp> Basically - if yuo have a lot of apps in the launcher bar on the left it can be difficult to sift through them. My idea is to sort the icons based on how frequently they are used . Simple as that.
[12:22] <polyp> most recently used apps at the top going down in descending order
[12:23] <polyp> perhaps the option to "stick" certain ones at the top
[12:23] <polyp> Heres where you tell me this is already possible
[12:23] <mzanetti> polyp: yeah, suggest that as a bug report for ubuntu-ux
[12:24] <polyp> thanks
[12:24] <polyp> on to it now
[12:33] <polyp> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1347652
[12:33] <polyp> does that look ok ?
[12:38] <mzanetti> polyp: yes, great, thanks
[12:38] <polyp> thanks
[12:39] <polyp> While I am here -
[12:39] <polyp> whats the deal with ubuntu with regards to higher resolution screens?
[12:40] <polyp> Im looking at getting a new laptop with resolution similar or higher than retina
[12:40] <polyp> I've read a lot of mixed reports on the internet
[12:58] <mterry> Saviq, I'm about to look at bug 1347183.  You said a few hours ago in the bug that you'd try to reproduce.  Any luck?
[12:59] <Saviq> mterry, yeah, was about to write that no, worked fine for me 5 times in a row :|
[12:59] <mterry> Saviq, good and bad news  :)
[13:00] <mterry> Saviq, well I'll give it a go.  Maybe my hardware is more racy than yours
[13:31] <mhr3> tsdgeos, so do you want me to try the attrs branch?
[13:31] <tsdgeos> mhr3: please
[13:32] <tsdgeos> mhr3: lp:~paulliu/unity8/attribute
[13:32] <tsdgeos> mhr3: i also made the searchquery bound back
[13:32] <tsdgeos> so it should change the search text
[13:32] <mhr3> tsdgeos, it actually looked good without it :)
[13:32] <tsdgeos> :D
[13:32] <mhr3> that's why i asked if it's a feature :)
[13:33] <tsdgeos> nah
[13:36] <mhr3> tsdgeos, hm, doesn't work for some reason, not sure why
[13:48] <greyback> mterry: should I ask mvo to look at https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/qtmir/packaging-fixes/+merge/226693 ?
[13:49] <mterry> greyback, yeah
[13:49] <greyback> okies
[14:03] <Saviq> mterry, any luck?
[14:03]  * Saviq will tackle test_search now
[14:06] <mterry> Saviq, no not yet.  I also did about five times, but am distracted by other work.  Will try a few times more
[14:07] <Saviq> mterry, k that's fine, let me know if you need me for anything
[14:22] <cimi> mterry, hi!
[14:22] <mterry> cimi, hello!
[14:23] <cimi> mterry, sorry was away on holidays for a bit, any update on the wizard in those weeks?
[14:24] <mterry> cimi, we landed it...
[14:24] <mterry> cimi, we got a slight mockup change I believe I forwarded to you
[14:24] <mterry> cimi, I did some of its changes (mostly wording)
[14:24] <mterry> cimi, but it might affect your location page branch, which is still waiting
[14:25] <cimi> ok
[14:25] <cimi> gonna do it now
[14:31] <Saviq> dednick, standup
[14:45] <mterry> Saviq, I was able to reproduce *a* failure, not the exact same text though.  But I do see a USC crash file, which might just be the source of the problem
[14:45] <mterry> Saviq, (this is for the unlock-device issue)
[14:46] <Saviq> mterry, yeah, sounds about right
[14:46] <Saviq> mterry, mir folks were looking into the crash I reported yesterday
[14:46] <Saviq> mterry, wonder if it's the same
[14:46] <Saviq> bug #1346819
[14:46] <mterry> Saviq, can you link me to that bug?  I can compare crashes
[14:47] <mterry> Saviq, too fast!  :)
[14:49] <mterry> Saviq, hrm...  unlock-device goes through upstart
[14:53] <Saviq> mterry, actually I filed a proper crash
[14:53] <Saviq> mterry, bug #1347053
[14:56] <Saviq> tsdgeos, https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity8/fix-autopilot-x11/+merge/227720
[15:01] <mterry> Saviq, I forget how to make a bug out of a crash file like that.  All I can get apport to do is upload the crash file to errors.u.c...
[15:02] <Saviq> mterry, edit /etc/apport/crashdb.conf
[15:02] <Saviq> mterry, but it should be the default for dev releases?
[15:05] <mterry> Saviq, uh... maybe I'm just confused by apport-cli.  Though now it won't let me upload because I need to be up-to-date.  Grr
[15:10] <Night-hacks> In launch bar i open new nautilus window using Files icon, when i click on it again it opens another one ? why it doesn't show the first Nautilus window ever ?
[15:12] <Night-hacks> I'm on ubuntu 14.04
[15:22] <tedg> mzanetti, So I was looking at the "dash-as-app" branch. Do you guys plan to start launching the dash with UAL?
[15:24] <Saviq> tedg, probably not, it needs to respawn and all
[15:24] <Saviq> tedg, OTOH maybe we could? we should probably talk to you how to do it best
[15:25] <tedg> Saviq, I think probably a standard Upstart job is best, it's not *really* an application in the traditional sense.
[15:25] <Saviq> tedg, I agree
[15:25] <tedg> But I was more curious how I could get its PID.
[15:25] <tedg> In that sense, I already have a function in UAL for it :-)
[15:26]  * tedg was being lazy
[15:26] <Saviq> tedg, so yeah, you'll probably end up with `initctl status unity8-dash` or so
[15:26] <tedg> K, gonna make me write code. I see how it is.
[15:26] <tedg> :-)
[15:30] <mzanetti> ok... upstart job it is
[15:31] <Saviq> mzanetti, were you thinking anything else?
[15:32]  * Saviq *could* be fine with UAL, if we could make it respawn...
[15:32] <mzanetti> Saviq: not really. just wasn't entirely sure yet and wanted to have another with you about it
[15:32] <Saviq> beer?
[15:32] <mzanetti> beer?
[15:33] <mzanetti> Saviq: launching with UAL wouldn't require us to do changes in qtmir
[15:33] <Saviq> mzanetti, "another..."
[15:33] <mzanetti> but yeah, no idea about the respawning
[15:33] <Saviq> mzanetti, yeah, that's why I'd like it there
[15:33] <Saviq> but as tedg rightly pointed out, it's probably an abuse of UAL
[15:33] <mzanetti> hmm... is it? but anyways... I'm fine either way.
[15:34] <mzanetti> Saviq: oh, now I get it... another chat
[15:34] <Saviq> ;)
[15:34] <mzanetti> :)
[15:35]  * Saviq lost a beer :|
[15:36] <mzanetti> Saviq: you're not allowed to drink anyways before driving a go cart
[15:36] <cimi> hah
[15:37] <Saviq> mzanetti, didn't mean *now*
[15:37] <mzanetti> we'll have another beer too :)
[15:38] <mhr3> tsdgeos, attrs still don't show up :(
[15:39] <tsdgeos> mhr3: ouch :/ they work here in tests
[15:39] <tsdgeos> let me drop by
[15:39] <mhr3> tsdgeos, although no errors now
[15:40] <tsdgeos> mhr3: where are you? :D
[15:40] <mhr3> go towards jane :)
[15:44] <cimi> Saviq, on the infographics branch, you asked me to test that next was called on the model
[15:44] <cimi> Saviq, but next is a function, so how can I test it?
[15:46] <Saviq> cimi, make it a signal, or emit a signal from the function, and spy on it in the test
[15:51] <mzanetti> Saviq: you said you'd clarify things about the shell<->dash IPC. Any outcome?
[15:52] <mzanetti> should I just create plugin that communicates through D-Bus?
[15:54] <mzanetti> Saviq: so far we have two things broken: goToScope() and I resetSearch(). IIRC you said resetSearch() isn't wanted any more anyways. But I guess we still want the gotToScope("clickscope")
[15:59] <tsdgeos> mhr3: i think we know what's happening
[15:59] <tsdgeos> it's again white text on white text
[15:59] <tsdgeos> i mean white background
[15:59] <tsdgeos> paul is working on a fix
[16:01]  * mhr3 checks
[16:02] <cimi> Saviq, we lost the silo for infographics
[16:02] <cimi> Saviq, I need it to test the mock...
[16:02] <Saviq> cimi, we did indeed, build locally for now
[16:04] <mhr3> tsdgeos, yep, you're right
[16:04] <mhr3> white text
[16:06] <tsdgeos> mhr3: easy fix then :)
[16:09] <tsdgeos> mhr3: should be pushed says Paul
[16:26] <mzanetti> tedg: hey, I've pushed some upstart changes. Have the dash starting automagically and respawning here now.
[16:27] <mzanetti> initctl status unity8-dash
[16:27] <mzanetti> unity8-dash start/running, process 3086
[16:30] <tedg> mzanetti, Cool, thanks!
[17:09] <cimi> Saviq, built and tested infographics as requested
[17:09] <cimi> guys enjoy your go karting
[17:10] <cimi> see you tomorrow
[17:37] <facundobatista> do you know if there's a way to install r147 in the emulator? it's not working with r148 :/
[17:46] <dandrader> mterry, hey
[17:46] <mterry> dandrader, hello
[17:48] <dandrader> mterry, if I wanna check is the greeter is fully shown (i.e. covering the entire screen): should I use "greeterWrapper.showProgress == 1.0" or "greeter.showProgress == 1.0"?
[17:48] <dandrader> *if the greeter
[17:48] <dandrader> mterry, in Shell.qml
[17:49] <mterry> dandrader, greeterWrapper
[17:49] <dandrader> mterry, ok. Tests in tst_Shell.qml still use greeter.showProgress. Is that ok?
[17:50] <mterry> dandrader, yeah that's fine for test purposes
[17:51] <mterry> dandrader, they only differ if you are making a left-edge swipe right that pulls out the launcher
[17:51] <dandrader> mterry, ok
[19:22] <josharenson> kgunn, I'm not sure exactly what you had in mind for the QSG perf explanation, but its getting kinda white-papery
[19:23] <josharenson> hope thats alright... should have something rough by Friday, but will likely need peer review
[19:23] <kgunn_> josharenson: got a link ? are you ready for an external skim?
[19:23] <josharenson> kgunn_ not yet.... give me till EOD
[19:24] <josharenson> have some handwritten things etc..
[19:25] <kgunn_> josharenson: sure...


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[06:36] <magespawn> morning all
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[06:43] <superfly> morning Kilos, magespawn, SmilyBorg_w
[06:44] <Kilos> howdy superfly
[06:44] <SmilyBorg_w> hi there
[06:45] <superfly> The trains were working this morning! But there was almost no one on the trains.... I wonder why :-P
[06:45] <superfly> morning magespawn
[06:45] <superfly> *maiatoday
[06:46] <Kilos> wow
[06:46] <Kilos> hiyamai
[06:46] <Kilos> eish
[06:46] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday
[06:46] <maiatoday> Hi Kilos
[06:50] <SmilyBorg_w> anyone know how I can disconnect someone who i using my nick? my nicks are all registered with nickserv and enforce is enabled so I dunno how they managed to use it
[06:51] <superfly> SmilyBorg_w: you can try ghosting your nick
[06:51] <superfly> I think the syntax is /nickserv ghost <password>
[06:51] <SmilyBorg_w> thanks will look into that
[06:52] <superfly> SmilyBorg_w: Syntax: /nickserv GHOST <nick> [password]
[06:52] <SmilyBorg> yay. worked
[06:52] <SmilyBorg> thanks superfly
[06:56] <magespawn> hey superfly
[06:56] <superfly> you're welcome, SmilyBorg
[06:56] <Kilos> gc wb
[06:56] <gc> Thanks Kilos It was a bit of a struggle getting here.
[06:56] <superfly> yo magespawn, picked up your parcel yet?
[06:57] <superfly> nope, doesn't look like it
[06:57] <magespawn> no I'll go a little a little later, the post office here is not exactly fast.
[06:57] <Kilos> haha
[06:57] <magespawn> hah, kind of makes me feel like big brother is watching me
[06:58] <superfly> :-D
[07:22] <magespawn> superfly are they at the post office?
[07:22] <Kilos> yo HawkiesZA
[07:22] <Kilos> go get magespawn
[07:23]  * Kilos wonders if eskimos can send some of their genes via irc
[07:23] <magespawn> i checked already but they had not put any notification in the post box yet.
[07:23] <Kilos> typical
[07:23] <Kilos> wait till you have been and then let you know
[07:24] <magespawn> some times a weel later
[07:24] <Kilos> service with a smile
[07:25] <Kilos> funny attitude with govt employees, why work hard if you get the same pay for slacking
[07:27] <magespawn> no motivation to work harder
[07:27] <magespawn> not just gov employess though mainly there
[07:27] <Kilos> the motivation should be to earn what you are paid for
[07:28] <magespawn> they key word there is earn
[07:28] <Kilos> its because the stick has been buried
[07:28] <magespawn> a lot of people think they are owed a living by the gov, or the rest of us.
[07:29] <Kilos> yeah
[07:31] <superfly> magespawn: I'll tell you just now, waiting for the sales team to finish their standup
[07:35] <magespawn> ty superfly, if it is a tracking number will get me past the post office red tape
[07:38] <charl> morning
[07:39] <magespawn> hi charl
[07:39] <Kilos> yo charl
[07:39] <charl> hi magespawn
[07:40] <superfly> magespawn: I don't have any shipping details, but I know they reached the post office on Friday
[07:41] <charl> hi Kilos
[07:41] <charl> hi superfly
[07:44] <Kilos> haha magespawn they battling to get through the first five days after the weekend
[07:44] <Kilos> i enjoyed that
[07:45] <charl> :D
[07:45] <magespawn> i will probable only get notification on Wednesday then.
[07:45] <magespawn> i will go and check if there are any packages for my po box
[07:45] <charl> after five days, it gets much better
[07:46] <Kilos> po not far from you man go tell them it is there and you want it
[07:46] <Kilos> dont ask them, tell them
[07:46] <Kilos> haha @char
[07:47] <Kilos> oh my
[07:47] <Kilos> haha @ charl
[07:47] <magespawn> shop assistant is off sick today so just me in the shop
[07:48] <magespawn> with kids nog al.
[07:48] <Kilos> oh well. rome wasnt built inna day
[07:50] <Kilos> bbl , i go check fences
[08:10] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[08:10]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[08:10] <inetpro> good mornings everyone
[08:11] <magespawn> hi inetpro
[08:11] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[08:14] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro!
[08:14] <inetpro> Maaz: thanks
[08:14] <Maaz> inetpro: Sure
[08:36] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:36]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[08:37] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[08:37] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay
[08:38] <charl> hi inetpro
[08:40] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[08:40] <Kilos> Maaz, thanks man
[08:40] <Maaz> Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-)
[08:45] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[08:45] <Maaz> charl: Sure
[08:46] <charl> phew it's a mess with laptops these days
[08:47] <charl> i am biased towards buying an amd but they all seem to come with a radeon
[08:47] <charl> a lot of intel-based laptops come with nvidia
[08:47] <charl> i am falling back to the ubuntu certified list
[08:48] <charl> i have been using this old fujitsu-siemens, never had any hassles with it, but the new laptops seem to be a mess
[08:48] <superfly> ohi charl
[08:48] <charl> only issue i ever had was while running debian i needed to install binary drivers for my wireless interface
[08:49] <charl> it looks like a thinkpad is the way to go now
[08:53] <magespawn> i am using a old proline laptop, works like a dream with ubuntu, but getting a bit long in th tooth now
[08:54] <Kilos> hehe peeps are fulla at times
[08:54] <Kilos> wanna share ians episode with a client
[08:54] <Kilos> Iany: woman says this stuff is confusing me
[08:55] <Kilos> Iany: so I tell her, us technicians normally do this part of the work she is trying to do
[08:55] <Kilos>  Iany: so she says are you testing my intelligence
[08:55] <Kilos> no offence maiatoday SmilyBorg
[08:56] <SmilyBorg> no offence taken. stupid people come in all genders
[08:56] <SmilyBorg> I get similar comments from so called IT people
[08:56] <Kilos> lol why ask for help if thats your attitude
[08:57] <Kilos> would drive me mad dealing with peeps like that and trying to still get them working\
[09:08] <charl> i used to sit on helpdesk
[09:08] <charl> people would phone me wanting their email passwords
[09:08] <charl> so i would say "please send us a fax on your company letterhead signed by your manager"
[09:08] <charl> and they would get angry
[09:09] <charl> like i would just give them their passwords without needing some form of proof
[09:10] <SmilyBorg> hehe. ya. its amazing the lack of security. they just want conveniance
[09:12] <charl> it is like sticking your password to your computer screen using a sticky note
[09:21] <Kilos> lol
[09:24] <Symmetria> ubuntu mirror is back pointing at ac.za
[09:24] <Symmetria> now that the upgrades have been done
[09:24] <Symmetria> machine is handing well now
[09:25] <Symmetria>  11:24:44 up 22:45,  2 users,  load average: 0.26, 0.40, 0.42
[09:25] <Symmetria> not bad considering its processing 400 hits a second right now
[09:25] <charl> is that on the ubuntu mirror alone?
[09:25] <charl> that's a lot of ubuntu users in south africa, didn't realise
[09:31] <Symmetria> charl heh nah the ubuntu mirror is doing about 90 - 100 hits
[09:31] <Symmetria> the rest is sourceforge and mozilla
[09:31] <Symmetria> Mem:     132288096  131910232     377864          0     104984  126378444
[09:31] <Symmetria> heh
[09:31] <charl> ah i see
[09:31] <charl> still not bad though
[09:31] <Symmetria> that 126gigs of stuff cached in ram really helps
[09:32] <Symmetria> and we're actually waiting on another 16 gigs of ram to sort out another issue which will push the box to 148gigs of ram
[09:32] <Symmetria> (the server is whining that we've only got 8 outta 10 slots filled, and it prefers you to fill all 10 to do proper ECC pairing)
[09:46] <magespawn> i thought it was a good idea to save your password on a postit on the pc  or maybe in permanent ink
[09:46] <magespawn> superfly just been to the post office, they of course know nothing about it
[10:02] <Kilos> so Symmetria have you got some info i can tweet to ubuntuza
[10:04] <Kilos> in the exact words you want tweeted
[10:04] <Kilos> so i can copy/paste
[10:06] <Symmetria> We have upgraded mirror.ac.za from 64gig of ram to 128gig of ram, with an additional 16gig of ram still on order to take it to 144gigs of ram.  This should stabilize the box as it was running low on ram
[10:06] <Symmetria> you can tweet that :)
[10:06] <Symmetria> I'll make mention of disk space when its done :p
[10:07] <Kilos> ty Symmetria
[10:18] <Kilos> can one of you just check if it was tweeted please. i get an error sending status message but donna if the post went through
[10:22] <magespawn> i do not see it Kilos
[10:22] <inetpro> Kilos: it's to long
[10:22] <Kilos> ok ty magespawn then i can work on that
[10:23] <Kilos> was thinking to send in bits and pieces ty inetpro
[10:24] <Kilos> should be getting there now
[10:24] <Kilos> didnt know twitter had limits on the length
[10:24] <magespawn> 140 characters
[10:24] <magespawn> same as sms
[10:26] <inetpro> Kilos: mirror.ac.za upgraded from 64GB to 128GB of RAM, additional 16GB still on order to take it to 144GB. Our mirror server should be stable now
[10:26] <Kilos> isnt it there yet?
[10:27] <inetpro> Or just "Mirror server should be stable now." at the end
[10:27] <Kilos> got no error messages this time
[10:27] <inetpro> ahh... it's there
[10:27] <Kilos> i just split it into 3
[10:27] <magespawn> yup got all three tweets
[10:28] <Kilos> ah is that ok like that?
[10:28] <inetpro> Kilos: that's fine
[10:28] <Kilos> too late to change now but will check first next time
[10:29]  * inetpro loves twitter for it's 140 character limit
[10:29] <magespawn> yup that cool, if you can get it in 140 characters that is best, but that way is also good.
[10:29] <inetpro> you have to think twice about what you really want/need to say
[10:32] <Kilos> haha
[10:32] <Kilos> it was only a few over. but said error in my status the twit
[10:34] <Kilos> if it was efficient it woulda said message too long
[10:34] <inetpro> Kilos: problem is that you're using a non-standard method of posting
[10:35] <HawkiesZA> Howdy everyone
[10:35] <inetpro> HawkiesZA: hiho
[10:35]  * HawkiesZA looks back at chats
[10:35] <HawkiesZA> Wow, you people have been busy
[10:35] <HawkiesZA> Is there a date for the next Ubuntu hour?
[10:35] <superfly> magespawn: did you get the tracking number?
[10:36] <inetpro> Kilos: why you saying thank you?
[10:37] <Kilos> to those involved for the work done
[10:38] <Kilos> its only manners methinks
[10:39] <inetpro> Kilos: but it sounds like you're saying thanks to your followers
[10:40] <Kilos> nee man lees mooi als
[10:40] <inetpro> Kilos: Symmetria and TENET are not looking at your tweets, or are they?
[10:41] <Kilos> i dunno but now whoever is following sees that we appreciate any help, isnt it
[10:42] <Kilos> yo sakhi
[10:43] <inetpro> Kilos: IMHO it's not 100% clear who you are thanking, but that's just me :-)
[10:44] <Kilos> lol ok ty inetpro will try be more specific next time
[10:45] <magespawn> no superfly
[11:31] <sflr> good day good people!
[11:33] <Kilos> yo sflr you kinda scarce hey
[11:34] <sflr> Kilos: you were sleeping when I came online :)
[11:34] <RPM> woohoo I'm moving to CPT :D
[11:34] <Kilos> this morning?
[11:35] <sflr> no, last night
[11:35] <sflr> RPM: that is good news!
[11:37] <NeVeR_> its very good news :D
[11:37] <sflr> when are you  moving? its kinda rainy and cold today
[11:40] <tumbleweed> are you also moving to dpkg?
[11:48] <sflr> Kilos: how is your databundle looking?
[11:51] <superfly> sflr: we should totally set up an Ubuntu Coffee Break at Bean There, btw
[11:52] <Kilos> still good ty sflr
[11:52] <sflr> yeah superfly, this week? how many people?
[11:53] <superfly> sflr: any time... we should announce it on the mailing list, see how many bites we get
[11:54] <sflr> ok. we said during lunch time, half an hour?
[11:54] <sflr> ok Kilos, keep me updated pls :)
[11:54] <Kilos> ty will do
[11:56] <superfly> sflr: yes. We'll market it as an Ubuntu Hour, but say that due to lunch time commitments, we likely won't be as long as an hour
[11:56] <Kilos> lol
[11:59] <inetpro> superfly: how safe are those trains in CT these days?
[12:00] <inetpro> superfly: see https://twitter.com/Lalliestweets/status/217481763520389120
[12:00] <NeVeR_> I'm moving there at the end of July
[12:00] <superfly> inetpro: depends on the line you take
[12:01] <sflr> Most people in my team travel with train, no safety problem so far. However trains get cancelled or delayed almost every day.
[12:02] <superfly> inetpro: ^^ what sflr said
[12:03] <superfly> last night the trains down my line pretty much stopped at one point, and after sitting in the same spot for an hour, my friends and I jumped off the train, walked up to one of the main roads, and got picked up by one of the friends' husband
[12:04] <Kilos> whew
[12:04] <inetpro> superfly: I just thought with your comment with empty trains of this morning, perhaps people were scared to use it
[12:04] <superfly> inetpro: yes, they didn't want to be late for work
[12:04]  * Kilos also thought so
[12:05] <inetpro> superfly: so you're not that concerned about safety?
[12:06] <superfly> inetpro: no, I'm more concerned about getting to my destination!
[12:06] <inetpro> hmm... hope they can sort it out
[12:07] <sflr> lol superfly.
[12:07] <sflr> inetpro: if you travel business hours its safe and packed. ppl travel with their laptops, etc
[12:07] <inetpro> and I certainly hope that trains will not be burnt down
[12:07] <superfly> and it's raining nicely today, so that probably means that my train home is going to be delayed.
[12:07] <superfly> inetpro, sflr: blackberrys galore
[12:08] <sflr> there is also a business express, you get coffee and newspaper and red carpet. it only stops in 2-3 stations
[12:08] <inetpro> people seem to be very angry
[12:09] <superfly> inetpro: of course they are
[12:10] <inetpro> I wish it would help if I burn down my car when it stops running
[12:11] <inetpro> the logic just doesn't make any sense
[12:12] <magespawn>  why? because of the trains not running?
[12:12] <sflr> I wish they give metrorail management to provincial government, etc
[12:15] <inetpro> sflr: where does it even reside at the moment?
[12:15] <magespawn> I have only been on two trains, not exactly commuter style, so this is a bit of a foreign concept to me, strange but true.
[12:16] <NeVeR_> when I move to cpt im gonna stay in table view or blouberg.. our offices are at century city.. is traffic that way hectic?
[12:17] <magespawn> are the trains a viable alternative to cars/scooters/bikes ?
[12:22] <NeVeR_> I think buses are too
[12:22] <NeVeR_> those MyCity buses seem legit
[12:23] <NeVeR_> I was there for a week, rented a car.. when I move there I'm going to try the buses.. i'll give my CBR600 a rest for a bit :P
[12:24] <Kilos> hmmm honda fan
[12:26] <Kilos> magespawn, methinks bikes /scooters not too wise with taxis etc
[12:26] <Kilos> unless you are an old biker maybe
[12:27] <magespawn> hmm good point.
[12:28] <magespawn> NeVeR_, thats the fireblade?
[12:28] <NeVeR_> baby blade
[12:29] <NeVeR_> fireblade is the CBR1000
[12:29] <NeVeR_> I like 600s, they quite a bit smaller and lighter
[12:29] <NeVeR_> and they both limited at 300 anyways
[12:30] <Kilos> lol
[12:30] <NeVeR_> I dont plan on going faster than 300
[12:30] <Kilos> 300 used to be a dream
[12:30] <NeVeR_> a wet dream? :P
[12:30] <Kilos> closest i got was with a 850 guzzi
[12:30] <NeVeR_> I've only done 300 once
[12:31] <NeVeR_> I get tunnel vision at 260
[12:31] <NeVeR_> so try not to go over 260
[12:31] <Kilos> 220 on my bm was flying
[12:31] <Kilos> yeah thats the exciting part the road narrows
[12:31] <magespawn> brother in law is bit of a speed freak.
[12:32] <magespawn> bbl
[12:48] <sflr> inetpro: the trains still managed on national level, dont see the split happening anytime soon
[12:48] <inetpro> sflr: ahh
[12:50] <sflr> NeVeR_ your best bet will be taking the bus from Blouberg. the 2 suburbs are relatively close by. That road is very dangerous for bikers. My colleague got knocked over 2 weeks ago
[12:50] <NeVeR_> I hit a funny key combination there O_o closed quassel
[12:50] <NeVeR_> seriously? Marine Drive?
[12:51] <NeVeR_> Chapman's peak is apparently dangerous too, and thats the first place I want to go O_o
[12:52] <sflr> NeVeR_: yes, Marine Drive. during peak hour traffic.
[12:53] <sflr> Chappies is not dangerous, unless rocks fall on you. haha. :(
[12:53] <NeVeR_> lol
[12:53] <NeVeR_> O_o
[12:53] <Kilos> haha
[12:53] <sflr> NeVeR_: you can try though bicycle commuting :) there is cycle lanes along Marine Drive
[12:53] <NeVeR_> I won't be using the roads during peak hour traffic
[12:54] <NeVeR_> Yea I've seen that... Maybe if there's a shower at the offices... lol
[12:54] <Kilos> sflr, im still waiting for your answer from last night after you signed on
[12:54] <Kilos> just membered that
[12:55] <sflr> NeVeR_: there is a Virgin Active there for showering :)
[12:56] <sflr> Kilos: hmm.. what was the question? regarding the website?
[12:56] <Kilos> yessir
[12:56] <NeVeR_> lol... is there a planet fitness near there somewhere?? I still have 2 years left on my planet fitness contract
[12:58] <sflr> NeVeR_: this one in Parklands> http://www.planetfitness.co.za/parklands-western-cape/
[12:58] <sflr> Kilos: I made the changes we talked about regarding the website. Other ideas are welcome!
[12:59] <Kilos> you said you were gonna tell me when you finished what you are doing
[12:59] <Kilos> im not fulla ideas
[12:59] <Kilos> but wqill go have a look
[12:59] <Kilos> will as well
[13:01] <Kilos> http://ubuntu-za.org
[13:01] <Kilos> that one hey?
[13:02] <sflr> yes. i fixed the Events, added Twitter, updated Ubuntu distributions, did some changes for SEO, added some meta tags, updated footer.
[13:03] <Kilos> haha i member now you were gonna make up a tweet for me
[13:03] <Kilos> hehe
[13:04] <Kilos> under 140 characters otherwise my status goes into error mode again
[13:05] <Kilos> inetpro, kom kom
[13:05] <Kilos> nog nie begin werk nie
[13:06] <sflr> Kilos: these are such small changes, they dont deserve a tweet. When we do something exciting we can tell the world about it :)
[13:07] <Kilos> lol ok
[13:07] <sflr> we must get the action points from the last meeting and remind people
[13:07] <inetpro> Kilos: eh!
[13:08] <Kilos> is the next meet gonna be a follow on agenda not covered
[13:08]  * inetpro should ask Kilos to make some coffee for us :-)
[13:08] <Kilos> inetpro, thought you would like to word whats been done to the site
[13:08] <Kilos> gc coffee on
[13:08]  * gc starts grinding coffee
[13:09] <inetpro> Kilos: no, I agree with sflr, not really stuff that anybody can see
[13:10] <Kilos> Maaz, help gc
[13:10] <Maaz> Kilos: I'm afraid I don't know what you are asking about. Ask "what can you do" to browse my features.
[13:10] <inetpro> Kilos: then again lot's of hard work is usually done unseen and behind the scenes
[13:11] <inetpro> gc: coffee please
[13:11] <gc> inetpro: Done
[13:11] <Kilos> yes but folks should be notified about stuff that might have not pleased them before
[13:11] <Kilos> then also we might get more feedback here
[13:11] <Kilos> as in ideas
[13:12] <gc> Coffee's ready for Kilos and inetpro!
[13:13] <Kilos> gc ty
[13:13] <gc> It's a pleasure to serve humans Kilos
[13:18] <sflr> I would like to see more pictures from events on the site :) [not screenshots of IRC meetings. hehe]
[13:18] <superfly> NeVeR_: Are you gonna be working at that waytag place?
[13:18] <NeVeR_> no not yet.. maybe next year
[13:19] <NeVeR_> I'm going to be working at Century City, for the same company I'm at now
[13:19] <NeVeR_> just transfeerring
[13:20] <NeVeR_> transferring*
[13:20] <sflr> NeVeR_: hope its a promotion, and not being sent to the 'naughty corner' hehe
[13:20] <NeVeR_> I asked to move :)
[13:21] <Kilos> haha
[13:21] <superfly> NeVeR_: great stuff
[13:21] <NeVeR_> :D
[13:22] <sflr> superfly: are you referring to waytag.com?
[13:22] <NeVeR_> yes he is
[13:22] <sflr> NeVeR_: good. you gonna love it here. specially if you like outdoors and the beach :)
[13:22] <NeVeR_> I wrote the initial prototype for that site.
[13:23] <NeVeR_> the client was too demanding, so when they asked me to do it fulltime I said hells no
[13:23] <NeVeR_> now they looking for devs and they slowly starting to make money
[13:23] <sflr> I just looked at the waytag.com site and find it ironic that the service is about reducing long strings, but the home page URL is a long one. hehe
[13:23] <NeVeR_> lol yea
[13:24] <NeVeR_> at least u dont have to type that in :P
[13:24] <sflr> yes, I heard of them when they launched last year or the year before.
[13:24] <sflr> lol @ NeVeR_
[13:24] <NeVeR_> I know all those long ass URLs off by heart :|
[13:30] <sflr> NeVeR_: did you write the app?
[13:31] <sflr> I see they do MTN Location Based Directory. nice
[13:34] <NeVeR_> I wrote the prototype... basically the foundation
[13:34] <NeVeR_> 3 years ago... I had 2 weeks
[13:35] <NeVeR_> then in the last 3 years 2 developers have been writing it... and it doesn't do much more than the prototype did.. lol
[13:39] <theblaze> NeVeR_ what project is it that you are talking about with the 3 years and 2 developers ?
[13:46] <NeVeR_> waytag
[13:46] <NeVeR_> www.waytag.com
[13:46] <NeVeR_> well they been on off... not full time
[13:46] <NeVeR_> 6 months on, 2 months off type thing
[13:52] <smile> good afternoon :)
[13:52] <FastEdi> Hi there
[13:52] <FastEdi> I just stumbled upon the Unity Orientation guide
[13:53] <FastEdi> and wondered, if you want to translate it to other languages
[13:53] <FastEdi> I would be proud to help out for a german version
[13:53] <Kilos> hi FastEdi
[13:54] <FastEdi> I spread many Ubuntu-CDs in my community and there is need for such an introduction
[13:54] <Kilos> sflr, superfly whats the procedure with that
[13:54] <smile> hi FastEdi :)
[13:54] <Kilos> does one need permissions
[13:55] <Kilos> hi smile
[13:55] <smile> hi Kilos ! :)
[13:55] <Kilos> FastEdi, start doing it so long i think
[13:56] <Kilos> we will try let you know about tights etc
[13:56] <superfly> FastEdi: Contact the Vancouver Ubuntu team, it's their guide
[13:56] <Kilos> and welcome to ubuntu-za FastEdi
[13:56] <FastEdi> Thanks Kilos
[13:57] <FastEdi> OK, then I'll contact them directly
[13:57] <Kilos> go for it
[14:01] <magespawn> back
[14:02] <sflr> hi FastEdi, as superfly said above :) I'm sure they will be delighted!
[14:02] <sflr> NeVer_ its a brilliant service, hope it takes off! we need great things coming from SA :)
[14:03] <sflr> we rank 2nd on Google for "Unity Orientation Guide for Ubuntu 12.04 LTS" :)
[14:04] <sflr> not that anbody will search for that exact term :P
[14:04] <superfly> sflr: can you find the original news story for it, and link back to it?
[14:05] <Kilos> i got the link inna mail from neil
[14:05] <Kilos> he hasnt been on for a while
[14:06] <sflr> uhm. I try. Somebody posted a link here, but the site was down. Then there is a copy surfaced from frenchfortunecookies wordpress server
[14:07] <sflr> Here is where the original guide supposed to live: http://ubuntuone.com/1JdumBrwyvEN2tMMDAxKQL
[14:08] <superfly> sflr: yeah... I'm trying to find the actual web site of the Vancouver LoCo
[14:09] <sflr> this one? http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-vancouver-loco
[14:12] <sflr> I see they using Meetup for events http://www.meetup.com/ubuntuvancouver
[14:13] <superfly> yeah, use that
[14:15] <Kilos> FastEdi, you got that
[14:16] <Kilos> ?
[14:17] <Kilos> one would think the author would be happy to have his work spread
[14:17] <sflr> ok, I linkified the reference to UVLC
[14:18] <FastEdi> Sorry. Was afk
[14:18] <FastEdi> Yes Kilos.
[14:19] <FastEdi> I'll contact Randall Ross from LoCo
[14:28] <FastEdi> OK, have to go to work again... :-(
[14:28] <FastEdi> I'll report when I have an answer
[14:28] <FastEdi> BB
[14:47] <Mezenir> hi all
[14:49] <Kilos> hi Mezenir
[14:50] <Mezenir> wadup
[14:50] <Kilos> not much methinks
[14:51] <Kilos> we waiting to see if superfly s train arrives
[14:51] <Mezenir> oh ?
[14:51] <Mezenir> train ?
[14:51] <Kilos> yeah those choo choo things
[14:52] <Kilos> he uses public transport to and from work
[14:52] <magespawn> brave man
[14:56] <Kilos> yip
[15:15] <smile> bye :)
[15:20] <magespawn> busy laminating 46 prints
[15:21] <Kilos> prints of?
[15:21] <Kilos> thats sticking a plastic cover on hey?
[15:22] <magespawn> animal feed details, thats right
[15:22] <Kilos> for what company magespawn
[15:23] <magespawn> a whole sale trader down the road
[15:24] <Kilos> ah
[15:26] <magespawn> a business partner
[15:26] <Kilos> ah
[15:29] <Kilos> you got fingers inna few pies hey?
[15:29] <magespawn> working late
[15:29] <magespawn> thats the idea
[15:29] <Kilos> good
[15:30] <magespawn> eggs in different baskets
[15:30] <Kilos> all eggs in one basket is dicy
[15:30] <Kilos> lol
[15:30] <magespawn> and besides there is only so much work I can do on my own
[15:31] <Kilos> yeah and that place is tiny
[15:37] <magespawn> and giving the right people money and time so they can make more money for you is a good thing
[15:37] <Kilos> ya
[15:43] <magespawn> gc time
[15:43] <gc> magespawn: Sorry...
[15:43] <magespawn> gc what is the time?
[15:43] <gc> magespawn: Erk, dunno
[15:43] <Kilos> lol
[15:43] <magespawn> Maaz what is the time?
[15:43] <Maaz> magespawn: the time is 08:43:33 PDT
[15:43] <Kilos> 17.43 magespawn
[15:43] <magespawn> Maaz what is PDT?
[15:43] <Maaz> magespawn: Erk, dunno
[15:44] <Kilos> Maaz, what is the time
[15:44] <Maaz> Kilos: the time is in the past by the time you are reading this
[15:44] <Kilos> lol
[15:44] <magespawn> Maaz google PDT
[15:44] <Maaz> magespawn: "PDT – Pacific Daylight Time" http://www.timeanddate.com/library/abbreviations/timezones/na/pdt.html :: "Pacific Time Zone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Time_Zone :: "Please Don't Tell" http://pdtnyc.com/ :: "Pacific Time - GMT" http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/time-zone/usa/pacific-time/ :: "PHP Development Tools" http://www.eclipse.org/pdt/ :: "PDT - - East Village - New York Magazin
[15:44] <Kilos> thats not same as ours
[15:44] <Kilos> you an hour ahead
[15:45] <Kilos> we are cat methinks
[15:45] <magespawn> Maaz what is the difference between PDT and SAT
[15:45] <Maaz> magespawn: I'm afraid I have no idea
[15:45] <Kilos> or gmt +2
[15:45] <Kilos> oh ya sat
[15:46] <magespawn> Maaz google SAT
[15:46] <Maaz> magespawn: "College Admissions - SAT - University & College Search Tool" http://www.collegeboard.org/ :: "SAT - College Board - The Most Widely Used College Admission ..."  If I can get gc to give local time that will for SA, she is sitting here in Hluhluwe
[15:56] <Banlam> maaz, gmt time
[15:56] <Maaz> Banlam: What?
[15:56] <Banlam> maaz, time gmt
[15:56] <Maaz> Banlam: Huh?
[15:56] <Banlam> maaz, tim
[15:56] <Maaz> Banlam: Huh?
[15:56] <Kilos> we are cat
[15:56] <Banlam> maaz, time
[15:56] <Maaz> Banlam: time is 08:56:43 PDT
[15:56] <Kilos> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Africa_Time
[16:12] <superfly> Kilos: my train was fine this evening... yay!
[16:14] <Kilos> yay ty superfly
[16:14] <Kilos> you were offline so guessed your battery was kinda flat
[16:14] <magespawn> Thats good. i am off home too, need food, later all.
[16:15] <Kilos> later magespawn
[16:59] <sflr> hola
[17:16] <Kilos> hi there sflr
[17:20] <Kilos> nuvolari, ping
[17:28] <charl> good evening
[17:29] <Kilos> evening charl
[17:29] <charl> hi Kilos
[17:29] <Kilos> gc coffee on
[17:29]  * gc puts the kettle on
[17:30] <Kilos> gc with cremora
[17:30] <gc> Kilos: Huh?
[17:30] <Kilos> Maaz, please help gc
[17:30] <Maaz> Kilos that female bot hasnt a clue whats going on
[17:31] <charl> gc coffee please
[17:31] <gc> charl: Alrighty
[17:32] <charl> Maaz: you chauvinist bastard
[17:32] <Maaz> charl: Excuse me?
[17:32] <charl> gc: you cute
[17:33] <gc> charl: What?
[17:33] <charl> ok nvm
[17:33] <charl> i agree with maaz now
[17:33] <gc> Coffee's ready for Kilos and charl!
[17:34] <Symmetria> hrm, has anyone used mint linux?
[17:34] <charl> gc: thanks
[17:34] <gc> charl: np
[17:34] <charl> Symmetria: yes i have
[17:34] <Kilos> gc ty
[17:34] <gc> It's a pleasure to serve humans Kilos
[17:34] <Symmetria> charl any good?
[17:34] <charl> Symmetria: yeah i quite liked it, although frankly i'm happy with just the "plain vanilla" ubuntu
[17:34] <Symmetria> just wondered cause its another thing on the list of mirrors we're adding
[17:35] <charl> that's a good one to have
[17:35] <Symmetria> also busy fixing the debian mirror
[17:35] <charl> great to hear
[17:35] <charl> debian is always a good one to have handy
[17:36]  * superfly shakes his head
[17:36] <Symmetria> the main debian mirror works fine, but we dont have the cd archives
[17:37] <superfly> This lawyer who wrote a "love letter" to the Oatmeal seems to be delusional
[17:37] <Symmetria> luckily the biggest official mirror for mint though is another academic institution at the moment in south africa, so I mirrored from them at a gigabit a second lol
[17:38] <charl> i wonder if this is a pic of maaz and gc http://i.imgur.com/cttgY.jpg
[17:39] <charl> Symmetria: it's a nice feeling when you see the transfer rate climbing up to 100MBps
[17:40] <charl> we have gigabit ethernet at work with a fibre ring connecting the buildings
[17:43] <Kilos> Maaz, weather in pretoria south africa
[17:43] <Maaz> Kilos: I'm not feeling too well
[17:43] <Kilos> gc weather in pretoria south africa
[17:43] <gc> Kilos: That didn't go down very well. Burp.
[17:43] <charl> Maaz: you suck
[17:43] <Maaz> charl: Excuse me?
[17:43] <Kilos> they both doff tonight
[17:43] <charl> Maaz: weather in rotterdam netherlands
[17:43] <Maaz> charl: In Gilze-Rijen, Netherlands at 7:33 PM CEST on June 26, 2012: 22°C; Humidity: 50%; Wind: NW at 6 km/h; Conditions: Overcast; Sunrise/set: 5:24 AM CEST/10:06 PM CEST; Moonrise/set: 1:19 PM CEST/12:34 AM CEST
[17:44] <Kilos> so weird they find weather all over but not ptown
[17:44] <Kilos> Maaz, weather in melbourne victoria
[17:44] <Maaz> Kilos: In Melbourne Airport, Victoria at 3:30 AM EST on June 27, 2012: 4°C; Humidity: 81%; Wind: NW at 6 km/h; Conditions: Mostly Cloudy; Sunrise/set: 7:36 AM EST/5:09 PM EST; Moonrise/set: 11:50 AM EST/
[17:45] <charl> how the heck
[17:45] <Kilos> hi cocooncrash is maaz pointed at the wrong place for pta weather?
[17:45] <charl> i asked for the weather in rotterdam and what do i get, the weather in gilze-rijen
[17:45] <charl> that's not even in the same province
[17:46] <Kilos> Maaz, weather in irene south africa
[17:46] <Maaz> Kilos: That didn't go down very well. Burp.
[17:46] <Kilos> sigh
[17:46] <charl> Maaz: george south africa
[17:46] <Maaz> charl: Sorry...
[17:46] <theblazehen> I probobally shouldn't. But I'm leaving this here.   http://code.google.com/p/seeborg/
[17:46] <Kilos> he used to be so good
[17:47] <charl> i wrote some of my own bots in python and later in java
[17:47] <charl> i want to write a new one but haven't found an excuse yet
[17:48] <Kilos> charl do you know what happened to the monkeys plan to get maaz to greet new peeps
[17:48] <charl> no idea
[17:48] <charl> here's two i wrote earlier this year: http://pastebin.com/M63zV9KB http://pastebin.com/tKKpuimg
[17:49] <Kerbero> o awesome
[17:49] <Kerbero> a rewrite of pyborg
[17:49] <Kerbero> i ran pyborg in a channel for a very long time
[17:49] <Kerbero> but then python broke
[17:49] <Kerbero> and i hacked the replies out
[17:49] <charl> python broke?
[17:49] <Kerbero> no idea
[17:49] <charl> you upgraded to python 3.x? :)
[17:50] <Kerbero> long long time ago
[17:50] <Kerbero> i think it was a 2.x->2.7 upgrade
[17:50] <Kerbero> or something earlier
[17:50] <charl> hm weird
[17:53] <theblazehen> Would you mind me putting seeborg in here?
[17:53] <charl> theblazehen: as long as it doesn't become a bother, i guess nobody will mind
[17:53] <charl> it could be interesting
[17:53] <Kerbero> as long as it is like on 1% reply rate
[17:53] <charl> it randomly replies?
[17:53] <charl> ok that could get irritating
[17:56] <theblazehen>  I can switch that off
[17:57] <Kerbero> hmm
[17:57] <Kerbero> so only replies when it is spoken to
[17:57] <Kerbero> hmm
[17:57] <Kerbero> i'm not sure what the main channel guys will say
[17:59] <theblazehen> OK.
[17:59] <theblazehen> Well it will be kinda like Maaz then
[18:00] <sflr> I think as long as we know who is bot or not should be fine :)
[18:00] <Kilos> charl, i mailed the monkey about his greeting godie for maaz. will let you know if/when he gets to reply
[18:00] <Kilos> theblazehen, can it give accurate weather reports in pretoria
[18:01] <theblazehen> Nope. Just chat
[18:01] <Kilos> and correct za time
[18:01] <theblazehen> Badly
[18:01] <theblazehen> Nope
[18:02] <Kerbero> my bot in another channel parses the api on weather.sun.ac.za
[18:02] <Kilos> when i just started here i was told to go online to a bot that one could teach things
[18:02] <Kilos> forget what is was called now
[18:02] <Kerbero> hmm
[18:02] <Kerbero> alice?
[18:02] <Kerbero> megahal?
[18:03] <Kilos> no it was like a clone of yourself i think
[18:03] <Kilos> need to ask maiatoday
[18:03] <Kilos> i forget them things
[18:03] <superfly> Maaz: weather for Cape Town
[18:03] <Kilos> even taught it to braai
[18:03] <Maaz> superfly: In Cape Town, South Africa at 7:00 PM SAST on June 26, 2012: 14°C; Humidity: 88%; Wind: WNW at 33 km/h; Conditions: Mostly Cloudy; Sunrise/set: 7:51 AM SAST/5:45 PM SAST; Moonrise/set: 11:56 AM SAST/
[18:04] <Kilos> i think its mainly pta superfly
[18:04] <Kilos> he works other p[laces fine
[18:05] <Kilos> whew places
[18:05] <Kerbero> http://pastebin.com/3dL1RHTp
[18:05] <Kerbero> that is how my bot shows weather
[18:07] <theblazehen> Hello seeborg
[18:07] <theblazehen> Hello SeeBorg
[18:07] <SeeBorg> hello seeborg
[18:08] <theblazehen> Lol its still learning
[18:08] <theblazehen> Talk to him
[18:08] <Kerbero> He will learn everything that is said in this channel
[18:08] <Kerbero> not only when spoken to
[18:08] <theblazehen> Yep
[18:08] <theblazehen> I know
[18:08] <Kerbero> that is what makes them so awesome
[18:09] <theblazehen> But its hilarious when he is dumb
[18:09] <SeeBorg> not only when spoken to
[18:09] <Kerbero> hmm
[18:09] <Kerbero> he is replying too fast
[18:09] <Kerbero> anyway, gtg
[18:09] <theblazehen> 1 percent for random
[18:09] <Kilos> cheers Kerbero
[18:09] <Kerbero> ok
[18:10] <Kilos> gtg is got to go hey?
[18:10] <SeeBorg> anyway, gtg
[18:11] <imma> hi SeeBorg
[18:11] <SeeBorg> hello seeborg
[18:11] <Kilos> hi imma
[18:12] <theblazehen> Lol its my friend who's hosting. Was going to be imma.  If you ask nicely, maybe you can have a cup
[18:53] <sflr> bot weather for Cape Town
[18:53] <Maaz> sflr: I'm not feeling too well
[18:53] <gc> sflr: That didn't go down very well. Burp.
[18:53] <sflr> bot weather Cape Town
[18:53] <Maaz> sflr: I'm not feeling too well
[18:53] <gc> sflr: That didn't go down very well. Burp.
[18:53] <sflr> lol
[18:54] <sflr> bot brb
[18:54] <Maaz> sflr: What?
[18:54] <gc> sflr: Huh?
[18:54]  * sflr brbr
[18:54] <Kilos> gc weather in cape town south africa
[18:54] <gc> Kilos: I'm not feeling too well
[18:54] <Kilos> stupid bot
[18:56] <gc> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[18:56] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for sflr!
[18:56] <Kilos> gc ty
[18:56] <gc> It's a pleasure to serve humans Kilos
[18:58] <Mezenir> as a meal ?
[18:58] <Kilos> hehe
[18:59] <Mezenir> lol
[18:59] <Mezenir> cheerios
[18:59] <Mezenir> gnite
[18:59] <charl> ciao Mezenir
[19:00] <Kilos> cheers Mezenir
[19:05] <Kilos> night guys. sleep tight
[19:07] <superfly> Maaz: weather for Cape Town
[19:07] <Maaz> superfly: That didn't seem to agree with me
[19:07] <superfly> interesting
[19:09] <charl> what api does this thing pull the info from
[19:09] <charl> http://blog.programmableweb.com/2010/02/08/googles-secret-weather-api/
[19:09] <charl> http://www.google.com/ig/api?weather=pretoria
[19:10] <charl> http://www.google.com/ig/api?weather=cape+town
[19:10] <charl> http://www.google.com/ig/api?weather=george
[19:42] <Banlam> my internet is not enjoying this wind :/
[19:43] <charl> he
[20:05] <charl> nn all
[20:22] <magespawn> What up, peeps?
[20:25] <superfly> hey magespawn
[20:25] <magespawn> What was that earlier? Somebody just messing about?
[20:28] <superfly> magespawn: someone brought a rather unruly bot into the channel
[20:29] <magespawn> Bit strange.
[20:58] <sflr> have you guys been following the online radio stats saga in SA? it seems things getting serious. time for some popcorn http://mybroadband.co.za/news/general/53569-legal-threats-over-shocking-online-radio-claims.html
[21:01] <superfly> sflr: radio? what's that?
[21:02] <Banlam> I must say, the stats of over 50k listeners does sound surprisingly high
[21:02] <Banlam> at the same time, ontl a few hundred seems too low
[21:03] <Banlam> will be interesting to see the outcome of all this
[21:06] <sflr> superfly: The Truth behind Streaming Internet Radio in South Africa http://pastebin.com/WBaiVMdc
[21:07] <sflr> Banlam: its true. I think antfarm.co.za would be able to give some stats on online radio in SA.
[21:08] <Banlam> do antfarm deal with purely online radio?
[21:08] <Banlam> or do they only stream the SABC and other radio stations
[21:08] <Banlam> conventional FM stations?
[21:10] <sflr> its only FM I think, or at least the ones I listen to online
[21:10] <Banlam> yeah, same here
[21:11] <sflr> It would give a number to see how many people approx listen to radio online. A person can only listen to 1 station at  a time...
[21:12] <magespawn> Why do have to in sa to listen to sa radio stations? I stream music mainly from the uk and germany, because they support things orther than wmp.
[21:13] <magespawn> Sa generally on support windows media player through a browser in my experience.
[21:14] <sflr> magespawn: nobody has to. there is a debate on made-up stats regarding online SA radio listeners. we were talking about that.
[21:14] <sflr> magespawn: it used to be like that. I listen via antfarm in any browser
[21:15] <sflr> http://www.antfarm.co.za/antradio/index.asp
[21:15] <magespawn> Ahh i see. Are the stats only for sa listeners, or are the listeners world wide.
[21:16] <sflr> magespawn: that's a question nobody asked I think. haha.
[21:17] <Banlam> :P
[21:17] <Banlam> i've listened to 2ov a couple times
[21:17] <Banlam> they support several different programs
[21:17] <magespawn> sflr thanks for that link, on the stations official websites as far as i could it was only wmp
[21:18] <sflr> "2Oceansvibe Radio now states they have up to 60 000 listeners an hour" >> http://pastebin.com/WBaiVMdc  I cant see saying SA only listeners
[21:18] <magespawn> Thats a lot of ears.
[21:18] <sflr> magespawn: maybe, I listen in Chrome in Ubuntu, I just hit play. haha
[21:19] <magespawn> Maybe some of those ppl never close or log off, but are not actually at the pc listening.
[21:21] <sflr> yes, a part is made up of those people. But if they do that well is really good :)
[21:22] <sflr> good night guys, I have to go!
[21:22] <Banlam> gnight
[21:22] <magespawn> Night
[21:24] <magespawn> I am also, good night.


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[05:28] <jmg> hello all
[05:29] <jmg> what is the reference way to build a -generic kernel from the linux-source package?
[05:35] <crimsun> apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r)
[05:36] <crimsun> then use debian/rules's target
[05:39] <jmg> is that how the pbuilder does it?
[05:41] <crimsun> yes
[05:41] <crimsun> depending whether you're using feisty or gutsy, you'll need to remove the unneeded configs
[05:42] <crimsun> please see the kernel wiki  (/topic)
[06:08] <jmg> thanks
[06:09] <jmg> crimsun: im trying to compile the gutsy 2.6.22 kernel for feisty (to work around my sdhc bug)
[06:35] <BenC> jmg: here's a better idea, just install the gutsy kernel on feisty
[06:35] <BenC> doesn't matter where it is compiled
[06:35] <jmg> orly?
[06:35] <jmg> it'll work?
[06:35] <BenC> I wouldn't tell you to do it if it would break :)
[06:59] <jmg> BenC: thanks! :)
[11:45] <Lure> any reason we do not enable CONFIG_SND_AC97_POWER_SAVE as suggested by powertop?
[11:45] <crimsun> it's very, very experimental.
[11:45] <crimsun> last I used it in the feisty round, it did Interesting Things on several machines running emu10k1- and intel8x0- driven boards.
[11:46] <crimsun> I can rerun some tests (and more testing is appreciated), but I don't expect things to have changed much.
[11:46] <crimsun> I suppose we need more hda-intel coverage, too.
[11:52] <Lure> crimsun: ok, I may try it here next time I build my custom kernel
[12:15] <mjg59> crimsun: It does nothing with hda-intel
[01:09] <jmg> BenC: I just realised - i need the nvidia binary drivers
[01:34] <ph8> hey guys - is anyone aware of a patch/driver/fix for "Atheros Communications Inc." "Unknown device 001c" "Unknown Device 1033" (From Abit Comp. Corp)? - It's an ethernet controller
[01:34] <ph8> atm i can only boot in recovery mode for some reason and the only difference i can find is that non-recovery tries to start networks
[01:34] <ph8> i'd like to try networks from recovery but have no idea how to get the OS to 'mount' the network cards
[01:36] <lfittl> hm, does anybody know what happened to the linux/ip6_tunnel.h header, debian linux-headers package has it, ubuntu doesn't?
[02:04] <ivoks> we should add DAC960.ko to /lib/modules inside initrd, by default :/
[06:52] <shawarma> Was there a recent kernel update for Feisty?
[06:54] <ivoks> yes
[06:54] <shawarma> Crap. My girlfriend's laptop doesn't boot anymore.
[06:54] <ivoks> sda<->hda change
[06:56] <rtg> shawarma: If you turn off 'quiet splash' from the grub menu, do you see USB crashes? Or does it just fail to boot?
[06:56] <shawarma> rtg: It's using lilo..
[06:56] <shawarma> rtg: ah, and it boots with the old kernel.
[06:56] <shawarma> rtg: I'll switch to grub, and grab some debug info.
[06:57] <ivoks> lots of people reported that with new kernel their disks aren't sdx anymore, but hdx...
[06:57] <rtg> shawarma: You'll have to ask BenC about that one. I know vanishingly little about lilo.
[06:57] <shawarma> rtg: Ah, don't worry about that.
[06:57] <shawarma> rtg: I got it.
[06:57] <rtg> ivoks: You are talking about the lib-ata transition from edgy to feisty. I think shawarma already had feisty installed.
[06:58] <ivoks> no, i'm talking about feisty old kernel to feisty new kernel
[06:58] <ivoks> there are bugs about it
[07:00] <shawarma> Now, that's odd. "No ACPI support in kernel" with the old kernel. There used to be..
[07:07] <shawarma> Oh, ffs..
[07:15] <shawarma> That's odd. It boots just fine with grub.
[07:21] <shawarma> Does that make any sense at all?
[07:22] <mjg59> shawarma: Do you have root=/dev/sda set in lilo.conf?
[07:22] <mjg59> Rather than root=uuid=foo?
[07:22] <pkl_> shawarma: yup, grub probably uses UUIDs in the meu.lst file, Lilo probably hard codes /dev/sdX
[07:23] <shawarma> mjg59: It says root=/dev/hda3
[07:23] <mjg59> shawarma: That's probably wrong
[07:23] <pkl_> shawarma: where is your root partition now?
[07:24] <shawarma> mjg59: But lilo shouldn't worry about that, should it? It installed the new kernel while the old one was running.. Looked up /dev/hda3 to be the third partition on the first harddrive and when rebooting it would just use that? Or have I not understood lilo at all?
[07:24] <shawarma> pkl_: Interestingly, it's the same.
[07:24] <shawarma> pkl_: So nothing has changed w.r.t. device names.
[07:24] <mjg59> shawarma: It passes that argument to the kernel
[07:25] <shawarma> mjg59: Doh.. Of course.
[07:25] <shawarma> mjg59: Nevertheless: It's the same name.
[07:26] <pkl_> shawarma: how far does the boot get?  Do you get past the LILO message?
[07:26] <shawarma> When I came to the machine it was in an initramfs prompt. When I rebooted it, I got impatient, booted the old kernel and fixed it.. It would have been interesting to find out what went wrong.
[07:27] <shawarma> I suppose I could reinstall lilo just for kicks if you're interested?
[07:27] <pkl_> reinstalling lilo would probably make the problem go away anyway.
[07:28] <shawarma> You think? If I do it with the old kernel running?
[07:30] <pkl_> shawarma: hmm, it may not work with the old kernel no.
[07:31] <shawarma> Would it be helpful in any way to get some debugging info this way?
[07:31] <maks_> no you should just use uuid ;)
[07:32] <shawarma> Yes.. I wonder why it wasn't migrated back in the day.
[07:32] <shawarma> Did we only do it for grub?
[07:32] <maks_> afaik lilo is not directly supported
[07:32] <shawarma> raid doesn't work with grub, so it must be supported to some degree.
[07:33] <maks_> why shouldn't it work, sure it does with grub
[07:36] <shawarma> Hm..
[07:36] <shawarma> I'm *almost* sure the installer falls back to lilo if you're either using xfs or raid (or both).
[07:41] <maks_> grub has the xfs patch
[07:41] <maks_> last lilo fallback i know of is when you go all on lvm
[07:42] <shawarma> That works with grub.
[07:43] <shawarma> I'm almost sure of it.
[07:43] <maks_> hehe *almost*
[07:44] <shawarma> I'll try. I've got a feisty install on the way in a virtualbox
[07:45] <JanC> grub works with lvm
[07:45] <JanC> but you need a non-lvm boot partition then  :)
[07:46] <maks_> sure i was speaking of *all* on lvm
[07:46] <maks_> ;)
[07:49] <JanC> why wait until christmas?
[07:51] <shawarma> JanC: Good point.
[08:15] <JoseMedina> hi averyone
[08:16] <JoseMedina> problems with kacpid process
[08:16] <JoseMedina> ??
[08:16] <JoseMedina> on mi Server it's eating 90% of CPU
[08:18] <JoseMedina> root@linux:/home/jose# ps aux | grep acpid
[08:18] <JoseMedina> root        37 81.9  0.0      0     0 ?        R<   12:37  32:29 [kacpid]
[08:19] <JoseMedina> help me! please!
[08:26] <shawarma> maks_: You're right. LVM-only -> lilo
[10:03] <crimsun> mjg59: right, I'm speaking of upstream's plans for HDA (not AC'97)
[10:04] <mjg59> Ah, ok
[10:14] <Sapote> hi all!
[10:14] <Sapote> have a question about limit of processors of support for ubuntu
[10:15] <Sapote> how many processor is the limit? 16? 32? 128? 256?
[10:15] <Sapote> maxcpus parameter
[10:16] <JanC> Sapote: depends on the kernel you use
[10:17] <Sapote> smp
[10:17] <Sapote> default smp amd64
[10:18] <JanC> so -generic kernel for amd64?
[10:18] <JanC> I don't know the exact number, but AFAIK it should be more than enough for any desktop   :)
[10:19] <Sapote> ;D
[10:19] <Sapote> yes.. but i find the magic number
[10:20] <JanC> isn't that in the kernel config files?
[10:21] <Sapote> maybe
[10:23] <JanC> grep for CONFIG_NR_CPUS in the kernel config file of your kernel in /boot/  :)
[10:24] <JanC> at least, I think that's the setting you need (I'm no kernel dev)
[10:24] <rtg> Sapote: /boot/config-2.6.20-12-generic:CONFIG_NR_CPUS=8
[10:25] <Sapote> 8 ok
[10:25] <Sapote> thanks!
[10:25] <JanC> I don't think many desktops have more  :)
[10:26] <JanC> server kernels might have support for more CPUs
[10:27] <JanC> rtg: you have amd64, or it's always the same for -generic ?
[10:27] <rtg> Sapote: debian/config/i386/config.server-bigiron:CONFIG_NR_CPUS=64
[10:27] <JanC> yeah, server-bigiron is for people with deep pockets :)
[10:27] <Sapote> lol!
[10:27] <rtg> JanC: generic is the same for i386 and amd64.
[10:27] <Sapote> :D
[10:28] <Sapote> maxcups parameter 1-256  is correct?
[10:28] <JanC> rtg: thanks, good to know, wasn't sure about that  :)
[10:28] <rtg> Here are all of the CPU configs:
[10:28] <rtg> debian/config/i386/config.server:CONFIG_NR_CPUS=8
[10:28] <rtg> debian/config/i386/config.server-bigiron:CONFIG_NR_CPUS=64
[10:28] <rtg> debian/config/i386/config.generic:CONFIG_NR_CPUS=8
[10:28] <rtg> debian/config/ia64/config:CONFIG_NR_CPUS=64
[10:28] <rtg> debian/config/hppa/config:CONFIG_NR_CPUS=32
[10:28] <rtg> debian/config/amd64/config.server:CONFIG_NR_CPUS=64
[10:29] <rtg> debian/config/amd64/config.generic:CONFIG_NR_CPUS=8
[10:29] <rtg> debian/config/sparc/config.sparc64-smp:CONFIG_NR_CPUS=64
[10:29] <rtg> debian/config/powerpc/config.powerpc-smp:CONFIG_NR_CPUS=4
[10:29] <rtg> debian/config/powerpc/config.powerpc64-smp:CONFIG_NR_CPUS=32
[10:30] <Sapote> thanks rtg, JanC
[10:30] <JanC> well, except for the i386 UP kernel  :)
[10:34] <rtg> JanC: CONFIG_NR_CPUS depends on CONFIG_SMP
[10:36] <JanC> so if CONFIG_SMP is not set, NR_CPU == 1
[10:36] <JanC> :)


[19:03] <ricotz> tseliot, hi, did you push a 440.59 package somewhere already?
[19:22] <ricotz> never mind


[06:11] <eagles0513875> hey guys
[06:12] <eagles0513875> i have a question for the 12.10 release what do i need to do to get make bumped up to 3.82 as with libreoffice there is a bug with a multiple core build that canonicals own sweet shark patched, and there is a modified version of make in the libreoffice codebase which would be great for inclusion. either that or from upstream, I am just not sure if his fix made it into upstream yet
[06:19] <micahg> eagles0513875: someone will probably pull that in, I'm guessing sweetshark will ask for it
[06:19] <eagles0513875> micahg: i hope so :)
[06:19] <eagles0513875> how are you btw
[06:19] <micahg> eagles0513875: fine, thanks :)
[06:20] <eagles0513875> looking forward to getting involved this cycle :)
[06:21] <micahg> eagles0513875: you could prepare the merge after asking the person who touched it last an looking for a bug showing someone working on it
[06:23] <micahg> and make is probably a topic for -devel
[06:23] <eagles0513875> micahg: i know sweetshark submitted a atch upstream to make and he has a bug report i will have to get it from him
[06:23] <eagles0513875> micahg: does it matter if its kubuntu-devel channel or ubuntu-devel?
[06:23] <micahg> eagles0513875: the patch appears to be in experimental
[06:23] <micahg> ubuntu-devel for general stuff, kubuntu for kubuntu related
[06:24] <eagles0513875> :-/
[06:24] <eagles0513875> what repos does ubuntu pull from in regards to development of each new release
[06:24] <micahg> by general I mean affecting core stuff
[06:25] <micahg> eagles0513875: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-April/035154.html
[06:25] <micahg> see that thread
[06:28] <eagles0513875> micahg: what about other packages such libreoffice with newer versions and mysql workbench how does that work?
[06:30] <micahg> eagles0513875: libreoffice sweetshark handles, if you want to help, contact him (#ubuntu-desktop is a good place to discuss), mysql-workbench, feel free to request syncs after Debian Import Freeze (or sooner if something is broke)
[06:30] <eagles0513875> nothing is broken the problem i think we are going to have is that usually when a new release comes out in the workbench channel we usually tell people to upgrade to the latest version
[06:30] <eagles0513875> to see if the problem was fixed there
[06:31] <micahg> or propose bug fixes if you have them into the sponsorship queue (or push to Debian and request a sync when it's released)
[06:31] <eagles0513875> do you know if someone has started a ppa for mysql workbench which will contain all the latest versions so to speak of workbench?
[06:32] <micahg> eagles0513875: well, as long as nothing else depends on it, there's always backports, if the one in the release is actually broke, an SRU of some sort could be considered (preferably a targeted fix)
[06:32] <micahg> even if there are dependencies, they just need to be run/install or build/run/install tested
[06:32] <micahg> err..install/run or build/install/run
[06:33] <eagles0513875> wouldnt a ppa be better though to have newer versions as they are released for users to use in between releases?
[06:33] <micahg> no, backports from oneiric on is on by default (pinned lower so you have to explicitly choose that version), PPAs need to be added to software sources
[06:34] <eagles0513875> correct
[06:34] <micahg> so, you reach all users in oneiric+ with backports, seems like the best choice assuming you can get the new release into Ubuntu in a timely manner
[06:35] <eagles0513875> micahg: so its better to package a newer version and request sponsorship upstream
[06:35] <micahg> yeah, push to Debian is always going to be best (occasionally you just need release team coordination)
[06:35] <eagles0513875> micahg: the way i understand things its better to get things in the case of ubuntu into upstream debian or is that not always the case
[06:35] <micahg> *almost always
[06:36] <eagles0513875> what would be reasons to where that wouldnt be the case?
[06:36] <micahg> release schedule timing
[06:36] <eagles0513875> do you mind clarifying what backports repository actually is
[06:37] <micahg> eagles0513875: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[06:37] <eagles0513875> ty
[06:38] <micahg> eagles0513875: in precise, we have a nice tool called requestbackport in ubuntu-dev-tools
[06:38] <eagles0513875> so micahg i package up the newer release of workbench then request it be backported
[06:38] <eagles0513875> then once its backported can it be then moved to the appropriate repository for the next release?
[06:39] <micahg> eagles0513875: yeah, I'd suggest chatting with the maintainers listed here: http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mysql-workbench.html
[06:39] <micahg> then you can request a sync to Ubuntu and then once that builds, request a backport to previous releases
[06:39] <eagles0513875> ya im already doing that
[06:40] <eagles0513875> well it seems like for precise  you have 38 whch is previous release of workbench which is fine and its in debian finally which is a good thing
[06:40] <eagles0513875> :) but i will discuss it with them
[06:40] <micahg> yeah, you could request a backport to earlier releases if you're willing to install/run test them (and it builds)
[06:40] <micahg> or find someone who's willing to install/run test them
[06:41] <eagles0513875> micahg: well the workbench devs are already provide their own ubuntu packages
[06:41] <eagles0513875> they have on their site packages i believe for 10.04 and 11.04
[06:41] <eagles0513875> anywho i gotta run thanks for the info :)
[06:41] <eagles0513875> morning dholbach
[06:42] <micahg> eagles0513875: I have a backporter hat around here somewhere, let me know if I can help
[06:42] <dholbach> hi eagles0513875
[06:42] <dholbach> good morning
[06:54] <geser> good morning
[10:09] <Rhonda> Isn't #993262 rather a unity bug?
[10:10] <Rhonda> And Bug #937790 also seems to be unity related somehow …
[10:11] <Rhonda> ah, is also marked as affecting unity anyway
[10:17]  * eagles0513875 is still debating if i should update to quantal and get my packaging environment finalized
[10:22] <eagles0513875> micahg: you said ubuntu-devel would be an ideal place to discuss pushing to bump make up to 3.82 right
[10:24] <micahg> yeah
[10:24] <eagles0513875> micahg: tried to poke sweetshark but it seems like he is MIA
[10:25] <eagles0513875> as hes the one that filed the bug :-/ will do some more googling
[10:25] <micahg> eagles0513875: huh?  he's in #ubuntu-desktop now :)
[10:25]  * Rhonda wonders … whether a Games session should be done soonish which does cover actual Free games already *included* in Ubuntu …  instead of the one recently covering proprietary games that external …   %-/
[10:25] <eagles0513875> Rhonda: no need go to playdeb.net all debian available games are listed there :D
[10:25] <eagles0513875> they have their own repo with all the games
[10:25] <Rhonda> eagles0513875: Yes, and with all new bugs and incompatibilities in them.  Hooray!
[10:26] <Rhonda> That's still external and from their approach of working totally out of the community.
[10:26] <eagles0513875> Rhonda: join the getdeb channel i think it is on here and talk with them about the issues
[10:26] <Rhonda> BTDT, got the frustration.
[10:27] <Rhonda> They aren't interested in integrating or giving back but keep doing their own thing.
[10:27] <Rhonda> … which leads to more obscure bugs that annoy regular package maintainers for the regular universe archive.
[10:30] <eagles0513875> Rhonda: would you like me to try and talk to them
[10:31] <Rhonda> hah
[10:32] <Rhonda> eagles0513875: http://www.playdeb.net/updates/ubuntu/12.04/?q=wesnoth-1.10 and click on "Changes"
[10:32] <eagles0513875> O_o
[10:33] <Rhonda> I'm quite certain that they do *not* include the patch for using the proper font for older releases.
[10:33] <Rhonda> And I gave up because it was frustrating.
[10:33] <Rhonda> They do their thing, they are free to, but I am not interested in their buggy approaches.
[10:34] <Rhonda> And given that they aren't interested in communication or integration I stopped caring.
[10:36] <Rhonda> I can't do other bug discourage using playdeb because of such situations on regular basis.
[10:36] <Rhonda> s/bug/but/
[10:37]  * micahg would treat it like a PPA and close the bugs !Ubuntu package
[10:39] <Rhonda> Right, just wanted to explain to eagles0513875 the background why I don't think bringing up playdeb is a good idea. :)
[10:39] <eagles0513875> Rhonda: sry
[10:39] <eagles0513875> what would be interesting and im not sure canonical woudl go for and back is a version of ubuntu dedicated to gamers
[10:41] <micahg> eagles0513875: you could probably have a game flavour if there was enough support behind it
[10:41] <eagles0513875> micahg: seeing in the store games like world of goo released for linux
[10:42] <eagles0513875> micahg: i think though it wouldnt work very well with the current release cycle that ubuntu follows it would have to be more along the lines of a rolling release
[10:42] <micahg> oh, that..there's already humble bundle and such
[10:42] <eagles0513875> what do you mean
[10:42] <Rhonda> goo was in an humble bundle :)
[10:43] <eagles0513875> technically if you release games on mac they shouldnt need much more work to get them running on linux since mac uses mostly the same technologies as linux
[10:43] <Rhonda> Erm, … well … no?
[10:44] <Rhonda> Just because there is SDL and GTK on mac too, but then, that's on windows too?
[10:45] <Rhonda> Developers still don't regularly settle for that.
[10:45] <eagles0513875> when i say same technologies i mean such as open gl and all that
[10:45] <Rhonda> "open gl and all that" is on windows too
[10:45] <Rhonda> That's a rather naive point of view, or I don't get your point.
[10:46] <eagles0513875> Rhonda: enlighten me how much more work would getting those games to run on linux require?
[10:54] <Rhonda> No idea which of "those games" you mean, I didn't code "those games" neither, so I don't have the insight in how heavily they depend on windows-centric (or OSX centric) code they have in there.
[10:55] <eagles0513875> Rhonda: game development has become easy for all platforms except linux sadly in regards to game engines
[10:56] <Rhonda> And still you claim that porting a game from OSX to Linux would be a non-brainer?  :)
[10:56] <eagles0513875> Rhonda: yes i could be missing
[10:56] <eagles0513875> some things
[10:57]  * eagles0513875 goes about finishing setting up my packaging environment
[10:57] <Rhonda> _If_ using the proper frameworks, then yes.  But most games don't.
[10:58]  * eagles0513875 will also upgrade to quantal once i have a bootable pen drive ready :) in case of a reinstall
[11:43] <tumbleweed> ScottK: wxwidgets2.6 turned out to be fairly easy to kill. olly has already done all the work in Debian. bug 992941 (if you can do removals)
[11:51] <dupondje> master tumbleweed ! :)
[12:05] <tumbleweed> dupondje: I eventually figured out xaralx's problem. yay for generic names like jconfig
[12:13] <dupondje> Yea I saw :) good catch
[12:13] <dupondje> :)
[12:44] <ScottK> tumbleweed: Cool.
[13:01] <Rhonda> wx, that reminds me of a required update for pgadmin3 …
[17:50] <bobweaver> Hello there all for taking screen shots of program for software center. Do I have to call it in the Meta Data in the control file ? or do I just upload to site. thanks for your time
[17:55] <jcfp> bobweaver: iirc those screenshots come from screenshots.debian.net
[17:57] <bobweaver> cool so I have to submit there when I submit my software but I do not need to call it before build in /debian file is what you are saying. Thanks again for your time
[17:59] <jcfp> they probably only accept those for software already in the repositories, but yeah, it's not a part of the packaging in the debian dir
[18:00] <bobweaver> cool thanks again !
[19:32] <tumbleweed> broder, Laney: looks like lynxman is preparing a keysinging party: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Q/KeySigningParty?action=info
[20:50] <lynxman> tumbleweed: indeed :)
[20:54] <tumbleweed> lynxman: you found a spot in the schedule yet?
[20:58] <micahg> jbicha: you seem to have forgotten -v in your tracker upload :)
[20:59] <dupondje> some motu going to Oakland ?
[21:00]  * broder waves
[21:00] <micahg> o/
[21:01] <tumbleweed> dupondje: yup
[21:02] <dupondje> you guys don't have to work ? :p
[21:02] <tumbleweed> micahg: don't see you on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-q-motu-bof
[21:02] <micahg> Just saw it now :)
[21:03] <tumbleweed> dupondje: my employer is nice. Not quite cool enough to fly me to conferences, but can at least do it on work time.
[21:04]  * micahg will do another blueprint scour sat night
[21:04] <dupondje> your lucky :)
[21:09] <ajmitch> tumbleweed: that's pretty good, I'm doing this on holiday time
[21:09] <micahg> ajmitch: you're coming to UDS?
[21:10] <ajmitch> micahg: yeah
[21:10] <micahg> cool
[21:10] <tumbleweed> I asked if I could do debconf too, haven't got a firm response yet :P
[21:11]  * ajmitch had already been to linux.conf.au this yeah, can't complain too much
[21:11] <tumbleweed> those sound like a lot of fun
[21:11] <ajmitch> oh that was :)
[21:14]  * dupondje should really work in a more linux minded company
[21:26] <jbicha> micahg: you know that I never remember -v :(
[22:12] <lynxman> tumbleweed: we got Thursday evening assigned as usual, 6:30pm. Just need to get a free room
[22:13] <tumbleweed> cool