[01:00] <hilands> hi
[01:00] <hilands> very new here... anyone can help?
[01:01] <kgoetz> !anyone
[01:01] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[01:02] <hilands> thanks.
[01:02] <hilands> bye.
[01:03] <ogra_cmpc> hmm seems that needs rephrasing
[01:04] <ogra_cmpc> (if people run away screaming something must be wrong)
[01:05]  * kgoetz suspects theres a language barrier
[01:06] <ogra_cmpc> "Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?" should become easier grammar then i think
[01:07] <ogra_cmpc> (but then i didnt even know about the !anyone factoid :) )
[01:08] <kgoetz> :)
[01:11] <lns> how about "it's not rude to just ask the actual question" ...maybe a bit sarcastic.. =p
[01:13] <kgoetz> harder for people with bad english
[01:13] <ogra_cmpc> but easier to understand for non natives
[01:14] <ogra_cmpc> "just ask the actual question"
[02:31] <lns> it would be easy for us to just say "Ask"
[02:31] <lns> =p
[02:31] <ogra_cmpc> yeah
[02:32] <lns> actually what would be cool is to have a bot that somehow can grep certain phrases
[02:32] <lns> and autorespond, like the other ones
[02:37] <lns> i'm no advanced scripter and i have no idea how bots work but i'm sure certain things like "if login <= 1min && statement contains "ask" or "question" then autorespond" or whatever syntax applies
[02:39] <ogra_cmpc> thats tricky to write without having tons of false positives
[02:40] <ogra_cmpc> "if you want to log in the progam will ask for a password"
[02:40] <ogra_cmpc> slap ... you get poked by a bot
[02:41] <ogra_cmpc> you need some good AI skills to write something thats good enough
[02:44] <lns> i guess so
[02:45] <lns> i know some chan bots will just give you an initial message (not the topic) that say things like that, or give simple help msgs
[02:45] <lns> right when you log in
[02:46] <ogra_cmpc> you can register messages with chanserv ... i think #ltsp uses that
[02:46] <ogra_cmpc> but thats actually what the topic is supposed to be for
[02:46] <lns> yea
[02:46] <ogra_cmpc> thaats what every user sees first on login
[02:47] <ogra_cmpc> sadly its read rarely
[02:47] <lns> exactly
[02:48] <lns> and i'd hate to go all windows and have little bubbles start popping up saying "you have unused desktop icons" "you have updates" "your antivirus is out of date", like lame reminders to do stuff you should be doing already
[02:49] <lns> maybe a disclaimer when you join the server that says "Will you just ask the question if you have one? (Y/N)"
[02:49] <lns> =p
[02:49] <ogra_cmpc> hey gnome power manager now tells you that yu closed your lid :)
[02:49] <HedgeMage> and "buy milk" and "you are overdue for a dental exam" and "call your mother" ;)
[02:49] <ogra_cmpc> and that you opened it
[02:49] <lns> HedgeMage, ha
[02:50] <lns> Unfortunately windows makes me most of my money right now, and every time i have to rebuild winxp i get so frustrated with all of the things i have to turn off just to feel like i have control
[02:54] <HedgeMage> lns:  thankfully I work solely with Linux
[02:57] <lns> HedgeMage, do you work with edubuntu primarily?
[02:57] <lns> I'm steering my business toward linux-only (*buntu/LTSP installs)... I'm not planning on supporting Vista in any respect
[02:57] <lns> and want to focus on the educational sector
[02:58] <lns> it's really what ltsp is best for i think
[02:58] <lns> plus, you're exposing so many young people to linux, and that's invaluable for the future
[02:58] <ogra_cmpc> its best for everything where you use more than one machine
[02:58] <lns> ogra_cmpc, agreed
[02:58] <HedgeMage> lns:  I use edubuntu in my volunteer work, but at work I use ubuntu, debian, and gentoo
[02:59] <ogra_cmpc> the major savings you have is not the TCO ...
[02:59] <ogra_cmpc> its neither the maintenance costs
[02:59] <HedgeMage> it's your sanity?
[02:59]  * HedgeMage ducks
[02:59] <ogra_cmpc> the most you save is on your power bill
[02:59] <HedgeMage> ahh
[03:00] <ogra_cmpc> running 10 TCs vs 10 workstations saves you about 80% of power
[03:00] <lns> that's another thing
[03:01] <ogra_cmpc> i'm stil trying to get my hands on maddogs talk from the last ubuntulive conf  ...
[03:01] <lns> ltsp is naturally green (as long as you're not using workstations with spinning hard disks as thin clients)
[03:01] <ogra_cmpc> he presented a project that aims to set up 175000 thin clients (some with own flash based boot os)
[03:01] <ogra_cmpc> all over sao paolo
[03:01] <lns> ogra_cmpc, hehe..i watched one of maddog's speeches a couple months ago, he's funny for how geeky he is =) and that's cool
[03:02] <lns> wow
[03:02] <lns> ogra_cmpc, koolus?
[03:02] <ogra_cmpc> i think koolu was founded for that project initially but not sure
[03:03] <lns> i've got a koolu thin client, it's nice, minus the whole geode issue
[03:03] <lns> once that's fixed i want to sell those primarily, standardize on a certain hardware set
[03:03] <ogra_cmpc> in any case he has some really impressive numbers in tese slides
[03:03] <ogra_cmpc> it should be fixed with Q-Funks backport
[03:04] <lns> i used q-funk's backport, i was still having resolution issues (couldn't autodetect above 800x600)
[03:04] <ogra_cmpc> i have no such HW so its hard to test or fix for me
[03:04] <lns> unless he's updated it within the past week
[03:04] <lns> ogra_cmpc, if you'd like i can ship mine to you
[03:04] <lns> i wouldn't mind
[03:04] <lns> as long as i got it back ;)
[03:04] <ogra_cmpc> lns, i usually have the manufacturers send me free samples
[03:05] <lns> cool, that's what i did with koolu too
[03:05] <lns> just do me a favor and specify what KIND of shipping you want
[03:05] <lns> i ended up with a hundred dollar shipping bill for 2 thin-clients
[03:06] <lns> not very funny on their part
[03:06] <ogra_cmpc> when i met in boston with maddog at the last UDS we somehow both forgot to talk about that, i think though he gave one to our hw certification guys
[03:06] <lns> oh cool
[03:06] <lns> yeah i know ubuntu and koolu are very tightly knit
[03:06] <ogra_cmpc> i'll poke cr3 to do some testing with hardy so i get some info how far the driver is
[03:07] <lns> afaik what was found was that x was failing to autoprobe settings in the geode driver
[03:09] <ogra_cmpc> x was failing because nobody ported the amd driver to the new xorg core code  ...
[03:09] <lns> =p minor detail
[03:09] <ogra_cmpc> the one person that worked on it only cared to make the driver work on OLPC
[03:09] <lns> ugh
[03:09] <lns> that kind of stuff irritates me..
[03:09] <ogra_cmpc> which it does wonderfully on redhat ...
[03:10] <lns> standards people! geez
[03:11] <lns> in their defense i know it was extremely difficult to get the geode driver done anyway, nobody from amd was allowed to help
[03:11] <ogra_cmpc> silly politics
[03:12] <lns> seriously
[03:12] <lns> when will business grow up
[03:12] <lns> google has proven that you can still be a billionaire and SHARE
[03:12] <lns> and intel
[03:12] <lns> and ibm
[03:13] <lns> amd is getting there though
[03:13] <lns> i'm sure it is very hard to shed the skins of the past
[03:13] <ogra_cmpc> its harder to please your shareholders
[03:14] <ogra_cmpc> and thats what counts most for all on your list
[03:14] <lns> unfortunately
[03:14] <lns> oh well, there must be balance
[03:14] <ogra_cmpc> as long as you ignore that minor detail, they are all cuddly wolves
[03:15] <lns> yep
[03:16] <lns> i plan on expanding my business and making ltsp in educational environments as widespread as i can
[03:16] <lns> i'm getting such good feedback from my current customers, and the overhead is so small
[03:16] <ogra_cmpc> i'd also look for small offices etc
[03:16] <lns> especially compared to my other windows clients
[03:16] <lns> well, in my experience anyway, in offices no matter how small, people are just so scared to "make the jump"..they are there to make money too
[03:17] <ogra_cmpc> ten clients on a remotely maintained ubuntu server you get paid a monthly fee for
[03:17] <lns> right, but i can also do that for education
[03:17] <lns> also, businesses always have that one windows app they must have
[03:18] <lns> i'm not ruling it out
[03:18] <lns> i just think it's much easier to get educational-sector clients for this kind of thing, especially the cost factor and the green factor
[03:18] <lns> plus, a triple-bonus for me, is that i can say i'm exposing hundreds of kids to linux
[03:18] <ogra_cmpc> let them show you their bills for repairing and maintainance for getting external guys in and makle them add up how much waiting time they have where the employess cant work ...
[03:19] <lns> and they'll take that with them when they look for a job or get more into computers
[03:19] <ogra_cmpc> then show them that ubuntu cdosts only 10% of that and leave a liveCD there ;)
[03:19] <ogra_cmpc> *costs
[03:19] <lns> i totally agree w/you
[03:19] <lns> it's my clients that don't..i have tried to push linux in with business before, the furthest i've gotten is on the server
[03:20] <lns> take one for example, a small civil engineering firm
[03:20] <lns> they HAVE to have autocad - not an option
[03:20] <lns> otherwise they've said more than once they would go to linux on the desktop
[03:21] <lns> and it's too critical to entrust to wine/other hacks
[03:21] <ogra_cmpc> a central vmware server
[03:22] <lns> but i've had overwhelming support and success for schools and after-school clubs that want to have technology for their youth
[03:22] <ogra_cmpc> yeah
[03:22] <lns> and kids love tux, so... =)
[03:22] <lns> i would use vmware
[03:22] <ogra_cmpc> heh
[03:22] <lns> but that, to them, is too much of a hassle just to "have linux"
[03:22] <lns> they'd rather spend the money and get windows
[03:25] <ogra_cmpc> ugh ... 4:30 ... i should probably go to bed
[03:25] <lns> haha
[03:25] <lns> sleep well
[04:02] <Muhammad_Saad> Hello, I want to remove the permission for sudo from regular users. What do I have to do? Is there a possibility that it may cause some problems?
[05:44] <calimer> anyone with any copyright license knowledge in here?
[05:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> probably
[05:48] <calimer> I have a guy who donated some content to a free doom 3 modification that I work on a while ago, and I ended up having to kick him out of the community do to his behavior and now he is saying he doesn't want his stuff in my mod and that I would be violating his copyright to keep it included
[05:48] <calimer> is this accurate?
[05:48] <calimer> or since I already have permission from him to use it from the past, does he not have the right to now say that I can't use it?
[05:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> probably a bit OT for here. but if you have "written" permission to use it on the old licence, you can keep using it
[05:50] <calimer> there was no real license or agreement except that he said I could use it and sent it to me
[05:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> the written is for your proof, fyi. IANAL, TINLA
[15:20] <ogra_cmpc> hrm
[15:20] <ogra_cmpc> italc wasnt in the -desktop deps ... but the seed change applied so it was in the task of netinstall
[15:21] <ogra_cmpc> what a mess
[15:36] <RichEd> ogra_cmpc: so what are the consequences ?
[15:37] <ogra_cmpc> that i had to upload a new edubuntu-desktop to fix it
[15:37] <RichEd> does it need a manual apt-get install now ?
[15:37] <ogra_cmpc> yes
[15:37] <ogra_cmpc> until tomorrow
[15:37] <RichEd> well that's not such a long wait ... given the greater scheme of things
[15:37] <RichEd> :)
[15:40] <RichEd> ogra_cmpc: i'm busy with the zsync now 47% ... will install tonight
[15:40] <RichEd> and let you know if any of my problems persist
[15:40] <ogra_cmpc> well, thats what i meant this morning with "it constantly improves"
[15:41] <ogra_cmpc> i'm currrently writing fixes for all app starters to force fullscreen on apps like gcompris and tuxtype ...
[15:41] <RichEd> and stgraber's instructions I sent on to intel had a "how to check if it is there, or get if not" section
[15:41] <RichEd> so i am sure intel can manage :)
[15:41] <ogra_cmpc> until thats in the installer they riun windowed in 800x600 which puts half of them off screen etc
[15:42] <RichEd> b.t.w. due to the wireless network not being available to network manager, ffox always starts up in offline more
[15:42] <RichEd> damn annoying
[15:42] <ogra_cmpc> yeah, its tied to n-m now
[15:42] <ogra_cmpc> evolution as well
[15:42] <RichEd> i hope the new image sees the card automatically
[15:43] <ogra_cmpc> well, i didnt change anything in the wlan area
[15:43] <ogra_cmpc> neither dis the kernel change between the images
[15:43] <ogra_cmpc> *did
[15:44] <ogra_cmpc> so its unlikely it behaves differently, i guess there is a debugging session with you and asac needed to find the bug
[15:52] <RichEd> okay ... i may have some older chipset or something ...
[15:52] <RichEd> any chance of sending that mail on the anti-theft issue ?
[15:53] <RichEd> our meeting starts in 8 mins ...
[15:53] <ogra_cmpc> \you cant have a different chipset ...
[15:55] <RichEd> is there any chance it is because my wireless router is not set up to autoconfigure clients with dchp & default g/w etc
[15:55] <RichEd> i would assume not ... and that the classmate should see the wlan even before it attempts to connect
[15:56] <RichEd> ogra_cmpc: see /msg over across on the other server
[16:40] <RichEd> ogra_cmpc: you here ?


[15:32] <cjwatson> jamesh,cristiangsp: I think the problem is that https://git.launchpad.net/gtk-common-themes/tree/snap/snapcraft.yaml says `architectures:\n  - all`, which doesn't seem to be valid according to https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/architectures/4972.  Example 6 there says (well, implies) that this is equivalent to `architectures:\n  - build-on: [all]\n    run-on: [all]`, but `all` is only valid in `run-on`
[15:34] <cjwatson> jamesh: Try `architectures:\n  - build-on: [amd64]\n    run-on: [all]` instead, if I understand what you're trying to do correctly?
[15:36] <cjwatson> jamesh: (You could probably actually use `build-on: [amd64, arm64, armhf, ppc64el, riscv64, s390x]`, and LP will pick its favourite.  I do think this is somewhat cumbersome, but LP doesn't own the file format here)


 I dont have the patience for little kids any more
[02:35] <Jack_Sparrow> Ages 4 and 7 will send me to heaven... in a hurry
[02:43] <Hobbsee> ugh.  i've seen enough idiocy already
[02:43] <Pici> :(
[02:50] <ikonia> heads up on hot_girl.
[02:50] <ikonia> possible time waster
[02:51] <ikonia> < Hot_Girl> one sec IKEAwh0re
[02:51] <ikonia> thats not my nick incase you didn't guess ;)
[02:53] <Pici> ikonia: there is someone with that nick in the channel though
[02:53] <ikonia> I can't see them
[02:53] <ikonia> oooh yes
[02:53] <Pici> tab complete s on ik brough you two up
[02:53] <ikonia> so I can
[02:54] <ikonia> my mistake
[02:54] <ikonia> apologies
[02:54] <Pici> Anyway, Men-za said to keep an eye on hot_girl anyway..
[02:54] <Pici> A bit earlier
[02:55] <ikonia> ahh, only just joined
[02:55] <ikonia> at parents house so connection is limited
[03:06]  * MenZa eyes Pici
[03:06] <MenZa> Are you trying to avoid high-lighting me?
[03:06] <MenZa> I see everything!
[03:06] <ikonia> WTF - nickname in #ubuntu
[03:08] <nalioth> ikonia: who?
[03:08] <ikonia> the nick is "wtf"
[03:10] <nalioth> ikonia: 'nickname' is the name of a known troll
[03:10] <nalioth> your sentence would lead one to believe that 'nickname' was up to something
[03:10] <ikonia> ahhh
[03:11] <ikonia> my mistake then, WTF is a nickname in #ubuntu
[03:12] <nalioth> wtf > wwjd > wwjd||| > hotter_than_hot
[03:12] <nalioth> and gone for nick spam
[03:12] <ikonia> thank you !
[03:12] <ikonia> I'm struggling in there
[05:37] <ardchoille> I hate smart alecks
[05:38] <nalioth> where?
[05:38]  * nalioth covers his mirror
[05:38] <ardchoille> #kubuntu
[05:38] <ardchoille> < flaccid> nalioth: what if i say no?
[05:38] <ardchoille> nalioth: lol
[05:45] <ardchoille> Hobbsee: KUDOS!
[05:45] <ardchoille> :)
[05:45] <Hobbsee> hehe :)
[05:46] <ardchoille> heh, dude?
[05:51] <ardchoille> There should be something about "thou shalt not argue with an op in the channel"
[05:52] <Hobbsee> there is.
[05:52] <Hobbsee> i'm just trying not to invoke it
[05:52] <ardchoille> ok
[05:52] <Hobbsee> because it makes him easier to pull the "the ops hate me" card
[05:52] <ardchoille> ah
[05:53] <nalioth> ops hate him?
[05:54] <Hobbsee> he can percieve that
[05:54] <nalioth> self-fulfilling prophecy of all trolls
[05:54] <Hobbsee> hah. hotgirl went
[05:54] <ardchoille> Some use that instead of looking at the real problem
[05:55] <Hobbsee> ardchoille: exactly
[05:57] <ardchoille> I can't believe he has the nerve to argue in the channel with an op and a staffer.
[05:58] <GoldenPony> he's trolling.
[06:25] <Myrtti> moin
[06:31] <Hobbsee> heya
[06:36] <Myrtti> funky
[06:38] <Myrtti> I ping timeout from IRCnet if I've left my screened irssi on my 770 and it loses wifi connection and the ssh session drops
[06:38] <ardchoille> Really?
[06:38]  * ardchoille ducks
[06:39] <Myrtti> appears as so, I've done it on consecutive nights
[06:40] <Myrtti> but freenode survives it
[06:40] <Myrtti> it's only IRCnet doing it
[06:40] <ardchoille> freenode is cool
[06:42] <Myrtti> yup
[06:49] <Myrtti> could someone unmute RoshanK on #ubuntu, my irssi complains about channel not synchronised again
[06:56] <Myrtti> ok, this isn't working
[08:07] <ubotu> HardDisk called the ops in #ubuntu (NeoGeo64)
[12:19] <Pici> Myrtti: If you're still having issues with irssi and #ubuntu being unsynced, try setting channel_max_who_sync to something over the number of people in #ubuntu (mine is at 2000)
[12:20] <Myrtti> hmmmm?
[12:20] <Pici> Oh.. that was like 6 hours ago, oops
[12:22] <Myrtti> no but how?
[12:22] <Pici> oh. /set channel_max_who_sync 2000
[14:04] <jpatrick> !no, bugs is <reply>If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[14:04] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, jpatrick said: !no, bugs is <reply>If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[14:04] <Hobbsee> !no, bugs is <reply>If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[14:04] <ubotu> I'll remember that Hobbsee
[14:05] <Pici> Whats new?
[14:06] <ardchoille> Ah, the bugs url changed
[14:06] <Pici> Was it bugs.ubuntu.com before?
[14:06] <LjL> yes
[14:06] <ardchoille> yeah
[14:06] <Pici> Ah.
[14:07] <LjL> which still works for that matter
[14:08] <jpatrick> the http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots pointed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[14:09] <jpatrick> smaller message
[14:09] <Pici> Good thinking
[14:12] <jpatrick> hmm, maybe !bug is <alias>bugs ?
[14:13] <Pici> -bugs
[14:13] <LjL> !bug
[14:13] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[14:13] <Pici> !-bug
[14:13] <ubotu> bug aliases: filebug, bugtracker - added by Seveas on 2006-06-17 23:24:59
[14:13] <Pici> !-bugs
[14:13] <ubotu> bugs has no aliases - added by Seveas on 2006-06-17 23:25:05
[14:13] <LjL> !no bug is <alias> bugs
[14:13] <jpatrick> or other way round and update bug
[14:13] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[14:13] <LjL> !-bugs
[14:13] <ubotu> bugs aliases: bug - added by Seveas on 2006-06-17 23:25:05
[14:13] <LjL> !no bugtracker is <alias> bugs
[14:13] <ubotu> You are editing an alias. Please repeat the edit command within the next 10 seconds to confirm
[14:13] <LjL> !-bugtracker
[14:13] <ubotu> bugtracker is <alias> bug - added by Seveas on 2006-06-18 01:54:52
[14:13] <LjL> tsk... this should work the other way round
[14:14] <LjL> !no bugtracker is <alias> bugs
[14:14] <LjL> !no bugtracker is <alias> bugs
[14:14] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[14:14] <LjL> !no filebug is <alias> bugs
[14:14] <ubotu> You are editing an alias. Please repeat the edit command within the next 10 seconds to confirm
[14:14] <LjL> !no filebug is <alias> bugs
[14:14] <LjL> !no filebug is <alias> bugs
[14:14] <LjL> !-bugs
[14:14] <ubotu> bugs aliases: bug, filebug, bugtracker - added by Seveas on 2006-06-17 23:25:05
[14:15] <jpatrick> prefect :)
[14:16] <LjL> no, not quite
[14:16] <LjL> !features is <alias> bugs
[14:16] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[14:16] <Pici> :p
[14:20] <LjL> Pici: are you coding your bot? if you wait until i've got enough features into mine, i'll doom you to PHP hell forever :P
[14:21] <Pici> LjL: I haven't started it yet actually.
[14:23] <LjL> Pici: well if you do it use a table with hostname / category / voted package, so we can transfer the DB from mine
[14:23] <Myrtti> LjL: the IRCnet LjL isn't online ;-)
[14:23] <LjL> thanks :)
[14:24] <Myrtti> tshih
[14:25] <Pici> LjL: Will do.
[14:26] <Pici> LjL: I assume that the primary key is hostname?
[14:27] <LjL> Pici: you could assume there's no primary key
[14:27] <LjL> :p
[14:27] <LjL> Pici: but anyway no, the logical primary key would be host+category
[14:27] <LjL> since you *can* vote on more than one category, just not twice on the same category
[14:28] <Pici> LjL: buh, /me needs more caffiene.
[14:28] <ubuntu_> hi i; trying to bqck up ;y files but i cqnt see; to copy to ;y hdd cquse of so;e ristriction
[14:28] <LjL> ubuntu_: ask in #ubuntu, and see if they can help you fix your keyboard too
[14:29] <Pici> LjL: hostname ^^
[14:29] <LjL> ah yes.
[14:29] <ubuntu_> im in cd live i have a french keyboard but the cd live comes default for english
[14:29] <ubuntu_> im on kubuntu
[14:31] <jpatrick> ubuntu_: #kubuntu-fr or #ubuntu-fr ?
[14:35] <LjL> wii, do you have any questions for *this* channel?
[14:40] <ubuntu_> oh sorry
[14:43] <LjL> no "who is wii?"
[14:45] <ompaul> LjL, what you talkin` `bout? ;-)
[14:45] <LjL> ompaul: look at ubuntu_'s hostname
[14:45] <ompaul> ya
[14:46] <Pici> LjL: hes in #ubuntu, I thought he was still banned from there.
[14:46] <LjL> 'parently not
[14:46] <Pici> Removed Dec 18 by PriceChild... tsk tsk
[14:48] <ompaul> it appears it is lying
[14:48] <Pici> Is it still in /bans ?
[14:50] <ompaul> hmm
[14:50] <Pici> What were you talking about?
[14:50] <ompaul> no
[14:50] <Pici> okay
[14:51] <ompaul> it might be very soon - it appears he got himself banned from #kubuntu
[15:38] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, MenZa said: !vbox is <alias> virtualbox
[15:38] <Pici> !box is <alias> virtualbox
[15:38] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Pici
[15:39] <Jucato> -box
[15:39] <Jucato> !-box
[15:39] <ubotu> box is <alias> virtualbox - added by Pici on 2007-12-26 16:38:39
[15:39] <Pici> I forgot the v
[15:39] <Jucato> :)
[15:39]  * Pici facepalms
[15:40] <Pici> ubotu: forget box
[15:40] <ubotu> I'll forget that, Pici
[15:40] <Pici> !vbox is <alias> virtualbox
[15:40] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Pici
[15:40] <Jucato> good bot :)
[15:40] <Jucato> !whoami
[15:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about whoami - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:40] <Jucato> heh
[15:40]  * Pici pats ubotu
[15:40] <Jucato> %whoami
[15:40] <ubotu> Jucato
[15:40] <Jucato> !botsnack
[15:40] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[15:43] <LjL> !no virtualbox is <reply> VirtualBox is open-source virtualization software for x86, with a proprietary "enterprise" version sporting additional features. The free edition is available in !Gutsy as 'virtualbox-ose'. http://www.virtualbox.org/ provides !Feisty, !Edgy and !Dapper packages of the non-free edition - Setup details at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/VirtualBox
[15:43] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[15:44] <LjL> !no virtualbox is <reply> VirtualBox is virtualization software for x86. A !free edition is available in !Gutsy as 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://www.virtualbox.org/ provides for !Feisty, !Edgy and !Dapper - Setup details at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/VirtualBox
[15:44] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[15:47] <LjL> !search wiki.ubuntu.com
[15:47] <ubotu> Found: laptop, themes, tb1.5, uvf, developer, samba, uuid, packagingguide, equivalents, ban
[16:14] <ubotu> In ubotu, bob301 said: !soon is Soon™: A broadly generic description of a length of time between now and the fruition of a promise made by the developers of computer software, especially critical Operating System software. Before being trademarked, the term 'Soon' was much more meaningful, indicating that the event to which the adverb is applied is to happen in the near future. After the trademark was applied to the term, however, any since of urgency
[16:14] <Pici> heh
[16:15] <ompaul> Pici, call me harsh please ;-)
[16:15] <ompaul> see last ban in #ubuntu
[16:15] <Pici> ompaul: you are harsh ;)
[16:15] <Pici> I did ;)
[16:16] <ompaul> you want to troll you get told not to you choose to argue
[16:16] <ompaul> bye
[16:16] <wols> ompaul: I call you an oppressive evil overlord with no soule that has bad karma and will rot in hell
[16:16] <wols> good enough?
[16:16] <ompaul> wols, getting there
[16:16] <ompaul> :)
[16:17] <nalioth> ompaul: go have some fruit cake and relax  :)
[16:17] <wols> I'm just starting in the this, give me time to learn
[16:18] <ompaul> nalioth, you tryin to kill me?
[16:18] <nalioth> ompaul: relaxation never hurt anyone
[16:18] <ompaul> the fruit cake would
[16:20] <euskadi> hi
[16:21] <euskadi> got a question i made a .c file, i compiled it and all work i can launch it in the terminal with ./file but my question is how can i launch it with a click when the file is in the desktop on gnome i'm usin' ubuntu gusty
[16:22] <Pici> euskadi: You have been forwarded to the operators channel, please change your ident and you may join #ubuntu
[16:22] <jpatrick> euskadi: support in #ubuntu
[16:22] <ompaul> no
[16:22] <ompaul> wiii
[16:22] <jpatrick> ah
[16:22] <LjL> ompaul: no
[16:22] <Pici> ompaul: no,
[16:22] <ompaul> ack
[16:22] <Pici> Just some other wanadoo user.
[16:22] <ompaul> however such a user@ is not welcome anyway
[16:22] <Pici> Indeed.
[16:22] <LjL> indeed that's why they're forwarded
[16:23] <ompaul> euskadi, you are in #ubuntu-ops
[16:23] <euskadi> ??
[16:24] <ompaul> euskadi, you are in #ubuntu-ops
[16:24] <euskadi> what do I have to do  ?
[16:24] <Pici> euskadi: Please change your irc client's ident to something other than 'fuckfuck' and you may join the channel.
[16:24] <euskadi> lol
[16:24] <euskadi> ok
[16:24] <Pici> !ohmy
[16:24] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[16:24] <ompaul> and fuck is not a good idea either
[16:26] <nalioth> ohmy, he's overdone it, hasn't he?
[16:27] <LjL> !badhostmask is <reply> This is not the channel you intended to join. You have been redirected here because your nickname, username or hostname contains unacceptable language (see « /msg ubotu language »). Please change it, then reconnect to join the correct channel.
[16:27] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[16:27] <Journeyman> for some reason I falsely got tagged for a vuln and am forced to join #ubuntu-read-topic
[16:27] <Journeyman> can someone fix that?
[16:27] <euskadi> back again
[16:27] <LjL> Journeyman: yes
[16:28] <LjL> journeyman: you said falsely?
[16:28] <LjL> euskadi: you're in #ubuntu now. thanks.
[16:28] <Journeyman> erm
[16:28] <Journeyman> intresting
[16:28] <Journeyman> intresting
[16:28] <ompaul> Journeyman, want to be tested?
[16:29] <Journeyman> yes
[16:29] <LjL> not yet, i think
[16:29] <ompaul> I think he did the fix but did not leave the system
[16:29] <ompaul> its okay now
[16:29] <ompaul> let me remove it
[16:29] <LjL> it's not ok
[16:29] <ompaul> or he is lagged
[16:29] <LjL> ompaul: CTCP when testing
[16:29] <ompaul> ack
[16:30] <ompaul> Journeyman, care to fix your client
[16:30] <Journeyman> can do that
[16:30] <Journeyman> hold on
[16:30] <ompaul> then part and come back
[16:30] <Pici> euskadi: Whats up?
[16:30] <ompaul> euskadi,  can we help you in some other way?
[16:31] <Journeyman> ok
[16:31] <Journeyman> how about now
[16:31] <Pici> Theres two of you now.
[16:31] <LjL> Pici: no
[16:31] <Pici> LjL: :p
[16:31] <Myrtti> lol
[16:31] <LjL> Journeyman: try again
[16:31] <LjL> !exploit
[16:31] <ubotu> There are people around who think it is funny to abuse a bug in certain routers by sending invalid DCC commands. When bitten by this bug ops in #ubuntu remove users so they are no longer targets. To fix it have a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit
[16:32] <Journeyman> I need more details on the exploit to beable to fix it
[16:32] <LjL> Journeyman: err... "change your port to 8001". that seems quite precise instructions to me
[16:32] <ompaul> Journeyman, that web page tells you
[16:32] <Journeyman> yeah that doesn't give me any information
[16:32] <Journeyman> just telling me to change a port to connect to doesn't tell me how to legitimently fix the problem
[16:32] <ompaul> it does
[16:32] <ompaul> enough
[16:33] <LjL> Journeyman: by upgrading your router firmware, if there is an update.
[16:33] <LjL> if there isn't, tough luck, just connect to 8001
[16:33] <Journeyman> but what is the exploit
[16:33] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, MenZa said: !ymmv is <reply> ymmv is short for "Your mileage may vary". It means that someone else's experience with compatibility, performance etc. may not necessarily match yours. Also see !wfm
[16:33] <Journeyman> is there a bugtraq site that may have more info?
[16:33] <LjL> Journeyman: sending a malformed DCC request.
[16:34] <wols> Journeyman: the exploit is, the router interprets it as an attack and crashes basically. sucky router
[16:34] <LjL> !ymmv
[16:34] <ubotu> ymmv is short for "Your mileage may vary". It means that someone else's experience with compatibility, performance etc. may not necessarily match yours.
[16:34] <Journeyman> this is different than the older dcc attack that was a buffer overlfow eh
[16:35] <LjL> Journeyman, we're #ubuntu support, not router exploit helpers. we just know we don't want to see tons of users disconnecting from the channel when some fools tries these exploits.
[16:35] <Pici> !ymmv =~ s/yours./yours. Also see !wfm/
[16:35] <ubotu> I'll remember that Pici
[16:35] <ompaul> come back when you (A) have your router fixed or (B) got yourself a new connection to 8001 and you can research the problem to your hearts delight securely later
[16:36] <Pici> euskadi: This isn't a channel to just idle in, do you have a legitimate question for the channel operators?
[16:39] <LjL> would staff blame me if i kept exploiting him until he learns? >:
[16:39] <ompaul> no
[16:40] <ompaul> euskadi, I'll take the silence as not
[16:40] <LjL> we should get an exploiter bot in -read-topic, periodically exploiting everyone there :P
[16:41] <jpatrick> how does one get '+' here? :)
[16:41] <LjL> actually, make it an entry message *g*
[16:41] <LjL> jpatrick: by being in the irc team
[16:41] <jpatrick> LjL: I am
[16:42] <ompaul> LjL, no it is an exit entry
[16:42]  * ompaul tut tuts
[16:43] <Pici> I'm sure the staff will love that
[16:46] <Journeyman> alright, I have upgraded my firmware, could you test me again
[16:46] <LjL> pffff
[16:47] <LjL> Journeyman: connect to 8001, will you?
[16:47] <Journeyman> erm guess they didn't fix it in that firmware
[16:47] <Journeyman> I perfer to correct the problem, not mask it
[16:48] <LjL> Journeyman: good luck then... but there's no harm in connecting to 8001, anyway. actually i think it's going to be the default for freenode in some ubuntu clients, if it isn't already
[16:48] <Journeyman> I am on more than one irc network, and they don't just let you connect to that port
[16:48] <Pici> Journeyman: freenode does though.
[16:48] <LjL> Journeyman: yeah other networks might be a problem. pester your router maker.
[16:48] <Journeyman> I can't do that without any information on the exploit really
[16:49] <LjL> ok
[16:50] <LjL> Journeyman: a DCC request is sent in the form of a CTCP, containing the string "DCC SEND" or "DCC CHAT" followed by three port numbers. routers try to be "smart" and open ports for you when people DCC you. if instead of the port numbers there is any long enough string, or the port numbers are invalid, hoever, stupid "smart" routers panic and shut down the connection.
[16:50] <Journeyman> http://colloquy.info/project/ticket/531
[16:50] <Journeyman> is that it?
[16:50] <LjL> i suggest you don't try the exploit on this network, if you don't mind being able to join it again
[16:51] <Pici> Journeyman: Yes, thats it.
[16:51] <LjL> Journeyman: yes.
[16:51] <Journeyman> LjL: I have no intentions of using it, I just want to find an real fix
[16:51] <Journeyman> thanks for the help
[16:51] <ompaul> Journeyman, also please be aware you are not getting into #ubuntu until you are immune to the bug, and we have told you how to be immune so if your firmware does not work you are stuck outside until you connect to 8001 on freenode
[16:52] <Journeyman> thats fine, I can use a different nick to join
[16:52] <LjL> i don't think so
[16:52] <Journeyman> I do
[16:52] <LjL> ok
[16:52] <Journeyman> I have already done so
[16:52] <Journeyman> but anyhow, I am on 8001 now
[16:54] <ompaul> LjL, test ;-)
[16:54] <ompaul> Journeyman, have you left the network and rejoined
[16:54] <LjL> ompaul: he's immune
[16:54] <ompaul> LjL, I did all that for nothing
[16:54] <ompaul> wols, you can now laugh out loud :P
[16:55] <wols> ompaul: why?
[16:55] <wols> and if I do, you ban me :P
[16:55] <ompaul> Journeyman, you can join #ubuntu
[16:55] <Pici> ompaul: Can't you do that all on one line?
[16:55] <ompaul> wols, ;-)
[16:55] <Journeyman> thanks
[16:55] <wols> besides: I don#t have a aol hostmast, so I can't laugh out loud
[16:56] <ompaul> :P
[16:56] <ompaul> Pici, please don't do that :P
[16:56] <ompaul> :P
[16:56] <ompaul> correctly shaped insult kept between the :Ps
[16:56] <Pici> Very symmetrical.
[16:56]  * ompaul pours a nice tea for all
[16:57] <ompaul> right folks it appears I have to go to where there are people and do the visiting thing
[16:57] <ompaul> have fun
[16:57] <ompaul> Journeyman, is there anything else we can help you with?
[16:58] <Journeyman>  suppose not
[16:58] <ompaul> as subtle as a brick going though a plate glass window
[16:58] <ompaul> I gtg later
[16:59] <ubotu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[16:59] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[16:59] <ubotu> FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[17:01] <Pici> nalioth: Resofje<EMAIL_ADDRESS>= dcc exploiter, your scripty thingy didnt catch it.
[17:02] <LjL> his script is lame
[17:02] <nalioth> Pici: it errs on the side of caution
[17:03] <nalioth> but he's gone now
[17:03] <Pici> nalioth: I know that if you felt that it should get caught, then it would.  Let me know if I can unban.
[17:15] <ullis> uokayy. I'm supposed to ask to be tested if I have fixes that bug exploit. I'm on port 8001 now.
[17:15] <Pici> ullis: hold still please.
[17:15] <Pici> ullis: you appear to pass, one moment.
[17:15]  * ullis is holding her breath
[17:16] <Pici> ullis: you may rejoin #ubuntu, thank you for your time.
[17:17] <mneptok> time me for my thanks
[17:17] <mneptok> ready? go!
[17:17] <mneptok> thanks!
[17:17] <ullis> OK. Thanks, Pici
[17:17] <Pici> 2 seconds ;)
[17:31] <Ariel_Eran> Hi All
[17:31] <jpatrick> hi Ariel_Eran
[17:32] <Ariel_Eran> Hi Jpatrick, I've been speaking with Nalioth, Ompaul, PriceChild and others in the last few days about IRSeek
[17:33] <Ariel_Eran> Jpatrick: I am not sure if you are aware of the status/situation and I wanted to ask them something about our last conversation :)
[17:34] <ubotu> jpatrick called the ops in #kubuntu-devel ()
[17:34] <jpatrick> ignore that ;)
[17:34] <Ariel_Eran> Nalioth/ompaul: are you here by any chance?
[17:34] <nalioth> Ariel_Eran: i am
[17:38] <kikr> my router isn't effected by a bug =P
[17:39] <Ariel_Eran> Nalioth: Hi, following our last conversation, I was trying to find out which channels are OK for me to log, and following the guidelines (ubuntulog in channel + UbuntuCouncil shows in info on chanserv) that you guys gave me, it seems that 5 channels are falling under that category, does that seem about right to you?
[17:39] <nalioth> Ariel_Eran: yep
[17:41] <Ariel_Eran> nalioth: I see, aren't  #kubuntu, and #edubuntu fall under the same category?
[17:44] <nalioth> Ariel_Eran: if you find ubuntulog there
[17:44] <Ariel_Eran> nalioth: it is present there
[17:44] <nalioth> :)
[17:44] <kikr> can someone unban me from  #ubuntu please
[17:46] <Pici> kikr: hold still
[17:46] <kikr> =)
[17:48] <Tm_T> hi kids and alike
[17:49] <Ariel_Eran> nalioth, I am confused, sorry.  Is any channel that ubuntulog is on OK? I though ompaul mention that the UbuntuCouncil should show on the contact field in the chanserv? :)
[17:49] <kikr> hey
[17:49] <kikr> Pici, you there?
[17:49] <Pici> kikr: sure, hold on
[17:50] <nalioth> Ariel_Eran: no.
[17:50] <Pici> kikr: you can now rejoin #ubuntu
[17:50] <kikr> thanks
[17:50] <nalioth> Ariel_Eran: loco channels are off limits until you check with their operators
[17:51] <Ariel_Eran> nalioth: yes, except the loco channels.
[17:52] <Ariel_Eran> nalioth: so #kubuntu, #edubuntu and others that are non-loco, and ubuntulog is on is fine, right? (sorry to beat this to death, I just want to ensure I am not mistaken)
[17:53] <nalioth> let's stick with #kubuntu for now
[17:53] <nalioth> i'll ask the #edubuntu folks
[17:53] <Ariel_Eran> nalioth: ok, thanks
[17:59] <ubotu> In ubotu, butcherbird said: mc44 is a little known deity worshiped by the Huli people of Papua New Guinea.  A minor fertiliy demon he is best known for his insatiable appetite and strange menagerie of mates.  Acording to local folklore he can most often be found chasing around terrified pigmy goats in the lush coastal swamplands of the island.
[17:59] <jpatrick> ...
[17:59] <Pici> ....
[18:00] <Pici> !botabuse > butcherbird
[18:00] <no0tic> happy easter!
[18:00] <no0tic> :P
[18:00] <jpatrick> unless it's like !nixternal
[18:00] <Pici> !nixternal
[18:00] <ubotu> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[18:05] <Myrtti> as long as you don't invent any "humoresque" factoid about me
[18:33] <jussi01> !jdong
 jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK!
[18:34] <Pici> !ompaul
[18:34] <ubotu> ompaul is well ompaul, don't get me started about that guy
[18:35] <jussi01> !pici
[18:35] <ubotu> pici is stuck in a factoid factory! Help!
[18:35] <jussi01> !hobbsee
[18:35] <ubotu> I phear the stick so shhhhh
[18:35] <jpatrick> how do i kickban clones?
[18:35] <Jack_Sparrow> That's it.. no more eggnog for you guys...
[18:36] <Pici> jpatrick: your own clones?
[18:36] <jimmygoon> Can you test me for dcc exploit
[18:36] <jpatrick> no (I don't have any :P), but some just appeared in #kubuntu-es
[18:36] <nalioth> jpatrick: you kick clones like you kick anyone else
[18:37] <jimmygoon> er, I'm supposed to come in here so that I can get back into #ubuntu
[18:37] <jpatrick> nalioth: yes, but all at once by ip?
[18:37] <Pici> jimmygoon: yes, correct. hold still please.
[18:37] <Pici> jimmygoon: you pass, congrats
[18:37] <jimmygoon> wooo
[18:37] <Pici> jimmygoon: You can now rejoin #ubuntu
[18:38] <nalioth> jpatrick: you'll need to ban once and kick many times
[18:38] <jimmygoon> Pici, thanks a bunch
[18:38] <jpatrick> nalioth: ah ok
[18:42] <jimmygoon> Can anyone point me in the direction of more info about this dcc exploit? I want to see if there is new firmware for my router that will fix it (I changed the port) and all the hcangelog says is "Resolves issue with how multicast packets with checksum error are being handled."
[18:43] <Pici> !exploit | jimmygoon have you read this?
[18:43] <ubotu> jimmygoon have you read this?:  When bitten by this bug ops in #ubuntu remove users so they are no longer targets. To fix it have a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit
[18:44] <jimmygoon> Pici, yes, it doesn't go into any technical detail, I had read about it before on a wiki (not sure if it was the ubuntu one) about malformed packets and something or another
[18:46] <Pici> jimmygoon: its just that if a specific string gets sent over port 6667, it drops you, google can help you find more technical information about it.
[18:46] <Pici> We dont discuss that on the wiki page because we know that some people may take advantage of it.
[18:46] <jimmygoon> Pici, of course, thanks again
[18:52] <ubotu> In ubotu, intelikey said: no samba is samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently  and  http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html  with detailed information at http://samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/  - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[18:53] <Pici> !samba
[18:53] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[18:53] <Pici> SR71-Blackbird: Afternoon, how can we help you today?
[18:53] <jpatrick> samba is samba is?
[18:53] <SR71-Blackbird> Pici, i need to check for the DCC exploit
[18:53] <Pici> it is what it is ;)
[18:54] <Pici> SR71-Blackbird: You passs, you may rejoin #ubuntu
[18:54] <SR71-Blackbird> Pici, thanks
[18:55] <SR71-Blackbird> Pici, strange, i got that only from #ubuntu
[18:56] <Pici> SR71-Blackbird: We're the only ones that ban you, force you to fix the problem.
[18:56] <jpatrick> !no, samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT.
[18:57] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, jpatrick said: !no, samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT.
[18:57] <SR71-Blackbird> Pici, ok.. that's good.. didn't know abt the exploit tho
[18:57] <Pici> !no, samba is <reply> Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT.
[18:57] <ubotu> I'll remember that Pici
[18:59] <jussi01> ok, so the IRseekbot is ok, isnt it?
[18:59] <Daviey> SWAT - what a pile of poop
[18:59] <Pici> Better than webmin
[19:00] <LjL> jussi01: yes, in #ubuntu at least
[19:00] <Daviey> jussi01: Is it a bot or person?
[19:00] <jussi01> LjL: it just joined #kubuntu
[19:00] <Daviey> he's joined #ubuntu-mythtv aswell
[19:00] <Daviey> Does he need watching?
[19:01] <jussi01> Daviey: I think its the logbot from freenode iirc
[19:01] <Pici> Hes just a log bot
[19:01] <LjL> Daviey: he should only join channels where ubuntulog is there too, and which (at least as a general rule) are owned by the irc council
[19:01] <Pici> from irseek, not freenode.
[19:01] <jussi01> Pici: aghh
[19:01] <Daviey> hmm, who authorised this bot?
[19:01] <LjL> i'd rather see it cloaked but i guess that'll come
[19:01] <LjL> Daviey: we did
[19:01] <Pici> Daviey: Unless of course its not an Ubuntu channel at all, then its not up to us.
[19:01] <Daviey> Would have been nice for an annoncement on the ML
[19:01] <jpatrick> it's on several nonubuntu channels
[19:02] <jpatrick> well 4
[19:02] <Daviey> yeah, but a blanket auth on the ubuntu namespace means there should have been some communication
[19:02] <LjL> Daviey: there was an announcement on freenode's blog for starters... also, it's been discussed in this channel a lot. and no, there's no blanked auth on the whole ubuntu namespace
[19:02] <LjL> only on channel owned by ubuntuirccouncil and with ubuntulog on them
[19:03] <Daviey> so who auth'd it for #ubuntu-mythtv?
[19:03] <Pici> Daviey: Its not a blanket auth, just on the channels we said it could (although I dont remember -mythtv being one of them)
[19:03] <LjL> Daviey: it seems to be owned by the ubuntu irc council.
[19:03] <LjL> is ubuntulog in there?
[19:03] <Daviey> yes
[19:04] <LjL> yes, so it meets all the criteria. perhaps it wasn't supposed to be owned by the irc council to begin with?
[19:05] <LjL> Daviey: also, i thought it's always been our policy (at least on #ubuntu) to only ban bots that *talk*, and just watch (if anything) other suspected bots
[19:05] <Daviey> Is this policy written?
[19:05] <Pici> Thats what I follow...
[19:05] <LjL> nepbabu: need testing?
[19:05] <LjL> Daviey: no, just what i've always seen everyone do
[19:05] <Pici> Daviey: I believe theres a mention of 'no bots' in the irc guidelines page
[19:05] <nepbabu> LjL, nope
[19:06] <Pici> nepbabu: How can we help you then?
[19:06] <Daviey> Pici: thats what i thought
[19:06] <Daviey> no extra bots
[19:07] <nepbabu> LjL, since i wasn't forwarded to #ubuntu-read-topic, does it automatically mean that this dcc exploit doesn't affect my router?
[19:07] <Daviey> last i knew IRSeek was pretty unwelcome.. must have missed the mood swing
[19:08] <Tm_T> what it is?
[19:08] <LjL> nepbabu: no, just that you didn't quit when it was last used... i can test you if you want to know
[19:08] <nepbabu> LjL, sure. go ahead
[19:08] <nepbabu> cheers
[19:08] <LjL> nepbabu: you're not exploitable
[19:08] <nepbabu> LjL, :-)
[19:08] <nepbabu> LjL, thanks.
[19:10] <LjL> Daviey, think about it for a second. are you able to stop someone who can obtain a virtually infinite amount of different hosts, running an unlimited amount of bots, with every ability to make those bots effectively go unnoticed?
[19:10] <LjL> i don't think so.
[19:10] <nepbabu> LjL, one last question is that since this DCC feature is not related to router's at all [related to IRC client], why in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit [in fix 2:] you guys mention the firmware of the toure?
[19:10] <Daviey> Sorry, did i say you could?  Don't think i questioned that aspect
[19:10] <LjL> i think it's much better to explicitly *allow* such a bot, on the condition that it's identifiable and doesn't log channels that are not supposed to be logged
[19:11] <LjL> Daviey, and what i'm saying is we either allow them in, or they'll get in anyway. of course this is only what i think, though.
[19:11] <LjL> nepbabu, the bug that causes this problem *is* entirely *related* to the router
[19:11] <LjL> nepbabu: it's faulty routers that cause people to disconnected
[19:12] <Daviey> The gripe i have is _communication_ of this change in opinion
[19:13] <nepbabu> so this has nothing to do irc protocol LjL ?
[19:13] <LjL> Daviey: gee, we talked about this *yesterday* in here with the involved party. to be honest i didn't think they'd catch anything except the main channels for a start, and neither that the logging would be effective from today.
[19:13] <LjL> nepbabu: it has to do with the IRC protocol. but it certainly can't be a bug of the IRC protocols... protocols can't have "bugs" =)
[19:13] <nepbabu> LjL, well then protocol's implementation. :-)
[19:14] <LjL> nepbabu: the router thinks it's smart and opens certain ports for you when it detects an IRC DCC request. but if the request is malformed, it crashes..
[19:14] <LjL> nepbabu: no, because the protocol implementation resides on your IRC client and on the IRC server
[19:14] <LjL> neither of which has any bug related to this exploit
[19:14] <Daviey> LjL: My appologies for not being here xmas day...
[19:15] <LjL> Daviey: my apologies for not spending my xmas day writing letters to the ML
[19:15] <LjL> though, no, i didn't mean yesterday. the day before.
[19:15] <Daviey> appology accepted
[19:15] <nepbabu> LjL, how would a dcc 'syn' make it through the router? it should not afaik
[19:15] <LjL> nepbabu: not sure what you mean there
[19:16] <LjL> everything goes through the router, does it not
[19:16] <nepbabu> LjL, at the lowest level we have tcp right?
[19:16] <nepbabu> LjL, i mean for dcc
[19:16] <LjL> nepbabu: at the lowest level we have IP i guess
[19:16] <nepbabu> that's one level below ip :)
[19:16]  * Pici has ethernet cables
[19:16] <nepbabu> i mean for dcc
[19:16] <LjL> nepbabu: usually for "below" i mean low-level protocols, and for "above" i mean higher-level ones, but...
[19:17] <LjL> Pici: yeah but if we consider the entire connection chain between server and client, the lowest common denominator is IP. anyway...
[19:17] <LjL> nepbabu, look, a dcc chat or send is estabilished like this
[19:17] <nepbabu> LjL, so.. i was wondering how dcc 'syn' packets from someone else make it through the 'router' when the actual person sitting behind the router hasn't even acknowledged it.
[19:18] <nepbabu> LjL, go ahead. =)
[19:18] <LjL> nepbabu: 1) one peer sends to the other peer a PRIVMSG (i.e. via the IRC server) containing the DCC request, and a list of ports to be used for estabilishing the DCC connection 2) the other peer tries to connect to the given port
[19:18] <LjL> nepbabu: since many routers do stateful inspection, and know that stuff that goes through port 6667 is generally IRC, they "grep" for the DCC request strings
[19:19] <LjL> when they find one, they open (forward) the ports mentioned there
[19:19] <nepbabu> hmm...
[19:19] <LjL> so that the DCC transfer can happen even if one is behind a router that doesn't normally allow inbound connections
[19:19] <nepbabu> so that means the dcc goes through anyway
[19:19] <nepbabu> and now it's left upto the client. huh?
[19:19] <LjL> however, this "grep" is broken, and also detects strings that are NOT valid DCC requests strings
[19:19] <LjL> these strings make the router crash
[19:20] <LjL> nepbabu: when an exploit is being attempted, there is no DCC at all. there's just the PRIVMSG request.
[19:20] <LjL> or NOTICE or what it is, i think it's NOTICE really
[19:20] <nepbabu> hmm..
[19:21] <nepbabu> LjL, is there some documentation i find on this?
[19:21] <LjL> Daviey: anyway look, are you a -mythtv op? i think so. are you among the few active ops of the channel? i suspect so. do you want to bot to leave? make it.
[19:21] <LjL> nepbabu: no idea
[19:22] <jpatrick> !dccexpliot | nepbabu
[19:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dccexpliot - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:22] <Pici> jpatrick: hes read the page
[19:25] <jpatrick> ah, sorry
[19:31] <Pici> LjL: was he already banned? the nick looked a bit familiar
[19:31] <LjL> Pici: many times
[19:31] <LjL> Pici: /mode #ubuntu-ops b
[19:40] <nepbabu> LjL, thanks for a good explanation on dcc :-) i couldn't find any specifications though. :(
[19:49] <bmbernie> How do I register my nick?
[19:50] <Pici> !register | bmbernie
[19:50] <ubotu> bmbernie: By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[19:51] <nepbabu> bmbernie, also, /msg nickserv help
[19:51] <nepbabu> ok guys.. laters
[19:51] <Pici> Bye.
[19:51] <jussi01> Hmmm, I would like to see a #kubuntu-kde4 channel - there seem to be so many kde4 q's in #kubuntu. what do you guys think?
[19:52] <effie_jayx> hey guys...
[19:52] <effie_jayx> could someone help...
[19:52] <Pici> I think that #kubuntu moves at a snails pace compared to #ubuntu, but it might be a good idea, or perhaps a #kubuntu+1 channel
[19:52] <nalioth> what's the matter with #kde4 ?
[19:52] <effie_jayx> someone left a note on #suse-es
[19:52] <effie_jayx> on the topic...
[19:52] <Pici> effie_jayx: hrm?
[19:52] <nalioth> kde4 isn't supported officially, so why not?
[19:53] <effie_jayx> it reads.. "this channel is abandoned, you're best bet is to use UBUNTU"
[19:53] <effie_jayx> that's not nice...
[19:55] <jussi01> nalioth: its jsut there are so many issues like !brokenkde4 that are specific to our packages
[19:55] <Pici> effie_jayx: I'm in #suse-ops, letting them know.
[19:57] <effie_jayx> Pici: it's just out of decency
[19:57] <nalioth> well, kde4 isn't officially supported (even though it's available in the repos) yet
[19:57] <Pici> I know. I said "I'm all for getting more people into #ubuntu, but thats not the way of doing it"
[19:59] <effie_jayx> thanks Pici
[19:59] <Pici> effie_jayx: I'll let you know what I hear, since no one has responded yet.
[20:02] <effie_jayx> Pici:  strange the state of not carign
[20:02] <effie_jayx> caring...
[20:03] <Pici> They don't own it, seems someone named molinero does.
[20:03] <effie_jayx> If molinero is an ubuntero...
[20:04] <effie_jayx> would he get us into trouble?
[20:04] <Pici> I think he'd just get himself in trouble.
[20:04] <effie_jayx> he is a user in kateos
[20:04] <effie_jayx> he owns #kateos-es
[20:05] <effie_jayx> but if pos in suse don't care...
[20:07] <LjL> he's not an ubuntu member so who cares
[20:07] <LjL> the #suse* contacts should probably be notified of that interesting topic though
[20:07] <Pici> LjL: I told #suse-ops about it, they didn't really seem to care
[20:08] <LjL> Pici: maybe it's not under their jurisdiction to begin with
[20:08] <Pici> Perhaps
[20:10] <LjL> Pici: i'll just leave apokryphos a note
[20:10] <LjL> he's an op there
[20:10] <Pici> Ah, good thinking
[20:10] <effie_jayx> LjL:  telling people in #suse ???
[20:11] <LjL> effie_jayx: hm?
[20:11] <effie_jayx> miguel icaza speaks spanish...
[20:11] <effie_jayx> and does he not use suse?
[20:11] <LjL> effie_jayx: apokryphos is a #suse operator though
[20:11] <LjL> and one we certainly know pretty well
[20:12] <effie_jayx> LjL:  great...
[20:12] <effie_jayx> I did my thing...
[20:12] <effie_jayx> ;)
[20:21] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, fsanlu said: ubotu.. why is the sky so blue?
[20:21] <ubotu> In ubotu, mitchp said: why is the sky blue
[20:22] <jpatrick> it's a reflection of the sea
[20:26] <effie_jayx> jpatrick:  it's kde inspired... ???  Look at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember
[20:37] <Taggard> I don't want a cloak but I want to know what having a member cloak means
[20:38] <Amaranth> read that link anyway
[21:03] <Myrtti> I'm still not sure should I apply
[21:04] <Gary> Amaranth, nalioth was speaking about it over the last few days
[21:15] <LiraNuna> hi
[21:15] <LiraNuna> I fixed my router long time ago
[21:15] <LjL> let's test
[21:15] <LiraNuna> and I get redirected to #ubuntu-read-topic
[21:16] <LjL> LiraNuna: you didn't seem to fix it well enough
[21:16] <LiraNuna> oh
[21:16] <LiraNuna> it's not the DCC SEND <long string> ?
[21:16] <LjL> yes, it is.
[21:16] <LiraNuna> would you care to educate me?
[21:16] <LjL> and, don't type that in channels.
[21:17] <LjL> !exploit | LiraNuna
[21:17] <ubotu> LiraNuna: There are people around who think it is funny to abuse a bug in certain routers by sending invalid DCC commands. When bitten by this bug ops in #ubuntu remove users so they are no longer targets. To fix it have a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit
[21:17] <LiraNuna> I meant more about the inner working of it
[21:17] <LiraNuna> I'm intrigued as a coder
[21:18] <LjL> LiraNuna, third time i try to explain that to people today... google has answers, really
[21:18] <LiraNuna> Fix 2: Updating Firmware
[21:18] <LjL> we're not here to teach people exploits
[21:18] <LiraNuna> fair enough
[21:19] <Taggard> Some does exploit -> Router is sad -> Router cry :( and need break from work
[21:20] <LiraNuna> I updated my firmware two weeks ago
[21:20] <LiraNuna> if I wouldn't have v5.0, I'd install linux on it
[21:21] <LiraNuna> Firmware Version: v1.02.2
[21:21] <Myrtti> router goes boohoo
[21:21] <Myrtti> :-C
[21:21] <Myrtti> erm *krhmm*
[21:23] <Myrtti> do continue
[21:23]  * Tm_T hugs Myrtti
[21:24] <Myrtti> LiraNuna: that's life
[21:25]  * jussi01 sends Myrtti nice flowers (friendly)
[21:25] <Myrtti> hmmm, where's my Ikea catalogue
[21:28] <LiraNuna> :<
[21:28] <LiraNuna> good thing people at EFnet didn't find it out
[21:28] <LiraNuna> or is it FreeNode spesific? I read that changing port solves it
[21:29] <LjL> LiraNuna: it doesn't have anything to do with any specific network. it has to do with the fact that your routers listens on port 6667, but not on 8001, which freenode keeps open to that purpose.
[21:29] <Pici> I've seen some irc servers be able to detect and remove people who try to exploit it, but its definitly not freenode specific.
[21:29] <LiraNuna> ah
[21:41] <LjL> LiraNuna, look, meanwhile anyway can you just connect to 8001 so we can let you back in #ubuntu?
[21:41] <LiraNuna> I'd rather upgrade my router to fix it instead of avoiding it
[21:41] <LjL> LiraNuna, connecting to 8001 will cause no harm anyway. and if you updated it two weeks ago, i doubt there is an update that fixes it.
[21:41] <LiraNuna> sorry for lurking...
[21:42] <LjL> the exploit's been around for *much* longer than two weeks.
[21:42] <LiraNuna> meh, brb
[21:45] <LiraNuna> test please
[21:53] <white_eagle> LjL, please leave me banned for 7 days, to learn my lesson
[21:53] <white_eagle> OK?
[21:53] <LjL> ok
[21:53] <white_eagle> thanks
[21:54] <LjL> bash.org?
[22:01] <tritium> How are things, LjL?
[22:02] <LjL> afraid i'm getting a cold :|
[22:02] <tritium> Oh no!  Sorry to hear that.
[22:02] <LjL> at least i made until christmas without one though
[22:02] <tritium> That is a good thing, yes.
[22:02] <LjL> and i made a kewl new bot as christmas present to ubuntuers too :P
[22:03] <effie_jayx> Pici: #suse-es update... a developer came in .. looked "hmmm"ed and left...
[22:03] <LjL> heh
[22:03] <tritium> LjL: is that the IRSeeK one?
[22:03] <LjL> tritium: nah that's not mine... mine is in -bots
[22:04] <tritium> ah, okay.  What does your bot do?
[22:04] <LjL> tritium: everything best
[22:04] <tritium> Nice.  Name?
[22:04] <LjL> tritium: ^
[22:05] <tritium> hah, great!
[22:05] <LjL> what's the best tritium?
[22:05] <BestBot> LjL, you said tritium? I don't know...
[22:05] <BestBot> I know what's the best audio player, irc client, web browser, text editor, BitTorrent client, desktop environment, image editor, video player, shell, package manager, scripting language, login manager, office suite, IRC client, console text editor, calculator, file manager, game (and others with less than 3 votes, type « list all categories » to see them all)
[22:05] <nalioth> O_O
[22:05] <no0tic> does irseek continue to log everything?
[22:05] <nalioth> i know a bot that best be on its way . . .
[22:05] <LjL> no0tic: they've just started actually
[22:05] <LjL> nalioth: yeah yeah it'll go :P
[22:06] <nalioth> no0tic: that has been dealt with
[22:06] <nalioth> no0tic: blog.freenode.net
[22:06] <no0tic> LjL, what are you doin'? -bots exists for such things :P
[22:06] <LjL>  /cs drop #ubuntu-bots
[22:06] <no0tic> nalioth, uh, I'm not synced :) I last read freenode recruiting
[22:36] <effie_jayx> nalioth:  could you help us with a situation... in #suse-es there is a pretty provocative banner about Ditching SUSE and using Ubuntu...
[22:37] <nalioth> effie_jayx: look in #freenode please
[22:37] <effie_jayx> nalioth:  cool.. I was just helping him.. ;)
[22:37] <effie_jayx> thanjs
[22:38] <nalioth> too much paddling muddies the water
[22:42] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-bots, hdevalence said: !what is the best browser
[22:43] <hdevalence> err I think I made a mistake in #ubuntu-bots
[22:44] <hdevalence> it gave me a message "Your edit request has been forwarded to #ubuntu-ops.  Thank you for your attention to detail"
[22:44] <hdevalence> I didn't want to edit anything
[22:45] <nalioth> we know, hdevalence :)
[22:45] <ardchoille> hdevalence: In order for that edit to make it into the bot, someone has to look at it and give the bot a command to accept it. Looking at your line shows that it clearly was a mistake and will be overlooked instead of edited. Not a problem.
[22:46] <effie_jayx> nalioth: he didn't tell me he was contacting you guys...
[22:46] <effie_jayx> didn't mean to bug
[22:47] <nalioth> we're working on it, effie_jayx
[23:16]  * PriceChild waves
[23:17] <ompaul> PriceChild, sooooo slow
[23:17] <ompaul> :)
[23:18] <PriceChild> ompaul, I'm sorry :(
[23:19] <PriceChild> ompaul, What'd you get for Christmas?!?
[23:19] <ompaul> stuff I'll list in a mo
[23:21] <PriceChild> hehe, firing up paste.ubuntu-nl.org before I remove you for flooding?
[23:21] <ompaul> that is an idea
[23:23] <Gary> I got news that i'm gonna be an uncle again :-)))
[23:26] <PriceChild> Haha ompaul gave me a pastebin link :)
[23:26] <PriceChild> wooo congrats Gary
[23:26] <PriceChild> ompaul, picz of the hat or it didn't happen
[23:27] <ompaul> PriceChild, have a look at this and fear IPv4 dead http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y36fG2Oba0
[23:28] <ompaul> PriceChild, did I mention the car upgrade
[23:28] <ompaul> :)
[23:28] <PriceChild> ompaul, ah I saw that a month ago or so... really good :D
[23:28] <ompaul> PriceChild, the car was last thursday
[23:28] <PriceChild> nope
[23:28] <PriceChild> hehe its all good
[23:33] <Gary> ompaul, me wanna see listy too
[23:33] <ompaul> Gary, woops :P
[23:41] <ubotu> scguy318 called the ops in #ubuntu (UNCLETOMM)
[23:42] <PriceChild> (just testing chanserv.py is working)
[23:43]  * PriceChild chomps down on some chocolate money
[23:52] <nalioth> anyone use adv_windowlist.pl ?


[05:25] <bkerensa> AlanBell: Who would I need to poke to get permissions for #ubuntu-leadership switched over to me and one other person?
[05:34] <IdleOne> bkerensa:   darkwing , if not available ask the ircc to take the channel back.
[05:35] <bkerensa> IdleOne: I suppose I will have to ask the IRCC at some point :) darkwing is gone mostly
[05:38] <IdleOne> well, try contacting them and see if they can pop on and transfer +F to you
[11:39] <Pricey> Wow, over 5 years of pastes... http://paste.ubuntu.com/1/
[20:18] <IdleOne> jrib: the removal was the chance to not return.
[20:18] <IdleOne> no sense in putting up with someone who is intent on disrupting. IMHO
[20:19]  * Fuchs slaps IdleOne with a http://freenode.net/catalysts.shtml  and then hides under the couch :3
[20:19]  * h00k coughs and laughs
[20:19]  * IdleOne points out they have returned with a diffrent ip
[20:20] <Fuchs> I was not entirely serious
[20:20] <IdleOne> ban evasion is against freenode rules.
[20:20] <Fuchs> yes, I know
[20:21] <IdleOne> so now that they have broken a network rule, will staff take care of it?
[20:22] <Fuchs> it appears to be solved for the moment. Were other channels affected as well or is this a local issue so far?
[20:23] <IdleOne> seems local so far
[20:23] <jrib> #ubuntu was the only channel i shared with him
[20:23] <Fuchs> Good.


[08:23] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:26] <slashbel> good morning
[09:04] <tdr112> morning all
[09:09] <slashbel> morning tdr112
[09:14] <tdr112> czajkowski: hearing lots of good thing about oggcamp
[09:16] <ebel> morning


[14:01] <valoaivo> Onko Xubuntussa mitään tapaa estää Bluetoothin päälle meno käynnistyksen yhteydessä?
[14:02] <valoaivo> Ja saako akun prosentit näkymään Xubuntun kirjautumis- ja lukitusnäyttöön?
[14:07] <Laodikea> Molempiin: kyllä
[14:08] <Laodikea> Sitä en sitten tiedä, miten, mutta joku toinen voi tietää
[14:08] <valoaivo> XD
[14:09] <valoaivo> Kiitos kuitenkin
[14:10] <ninnnu> "sudo systemctl disable bluetooth" vois olla ekan ratkaisu
[14:10] <valoaivo> Ekan ympäri olen päässyt laittamalla rfkillin sulkemaan bluetoothin käynnistäessä, mutta indikaattori laittaa sen päälle kun kirjaudun sisään
[14:13] <valoaivo> Indikaattorin poistaminen session autostartista korjasi ongelman, mutta nyt bluetoothin laittaminen päälle on mutkan takana
[14:14] <valoaivo> Nojoo, ehkä mä teen siihen kivan skriptin
[14:14] <valoaivo> Mut mites akun varauksen saa kirjautumisruutuun?
[14:18] <eoinp> hey does anyone know about lux in here?
[14:18] <valoaivo> lux as in the screen color thingy or what?
[14:19] <StockAntenna> The lux (symbol: lx) is the SI unit of illuminance and luminous emittance, measuring luminous flux per unit area.
[14:20] <valoaivo> eoinp What do you need to know about lux?
[14:21] <eoinp> I'm having an issue (please hear me out before thinking i am simply trying to crack an encryption!)
[14:22] <valoaivo> Cracker detected! Call the internet police!
[14:23] <eoinp> Linux mint seems to have placed an encryption on a hard drive that should not have been encrypted. For some reason, the system saw this drive as encrypted and the same passwords that worked on the OS itself, would not work on the drive
[14:23] <eoinp> I tried reinstaling mint without the encryption on the OS and i could still not open it
[14:24] <valoaivo> Have you got hit by ransomware?
[14:24] <valoaivo> Has the drive worked before?
[14:24] <valoaivo>  Please tell me you had backups
[14:24] <eoinp> I can't understand how this could happen, when this 2nd laptop hardrive was removed from the laptop during the installation/encryption process... physically removed
[14:24] <Akuli> is there something important on the drive or do you just want to install an operating system and use it?
[14:24] <Akuli> ?
[14:25] <eoinp> This WAS my backup!
[14:25] <Akuli> hmm :(
[14:25] <eoinp> which is why im trying to hard to solve this
[14:25] <valoaivo> Well then you have no problem at hand
[14:25] <valoaivo> Just erase the drive
[14:25] <eoinp> i backed everything up from windows... ran the live image from the botable usb.. here i was able to access the 2nd hd
[14:26] <valoaivo> Are you telling me the only copy was on your backup drive?
[14:26] <eoinp> sorry i mean, everything i backed up onto this hardrive... so there is no back up of the back up .. (i should have gone RAID)
[14:26] <valoaivo> Ouch
[14:26] <eoinp> yep
[14:26] <eoinp> balls thoroughly busted
[14:26] <valoaivo> You know, a backup stops being a backup when it is the only copy
[14:27] <valoaivo> Having a backup means having at least two separate copies
[14:28] <valoaivo> Sorry to be so harsh to you, but it's important you learn your lesson
[14:28] <eoinp> yea, yea... i messed up
[14:28] <valoaivo> So: data rescue
[14:28] <eoinp> there was 2 copies, but a window of 1 hour with only 1 copy.. i didn't assume that mint would just throw some random encryption on my 2nd hardrive
[14:28] <Akuli> maybe the drive is just broken rather than being actually encrypted?
[14:29] <valoaivo> What format was the drive in?
[14:29] <eoinp> i didn't change any format on the linux side. It came from a windows computer, so i would assume ntfs
[14:29] <valoaivo> Install testdisk and see if you can find your lost partition
[14:29] <Akuli> does it show up in lsblk?
[14:30] <eoinp> what makes you think it is "lost"?
[14:30] <eoinp> i think it does show in lsblk
[14:30] <valoaivo> If not, see what photorec can dig up
[14:30] <Akuli> eoinp, can you mount it?
[14:30] <Akuli> sudo mount /dev/yourpartition /mnt
[14:31] <valoaivo> I think it's "lost" if you can't access it and the data inside
[14:31] <eoinp> NAME                MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE  MOUNTPOINT
[14:31] <eoinp> sda                   8:0    0   1.8T  0 disk
[14:31] <eoinp> ├─sda1                8:1    0   512M  0 part
[14:31] <eoinp> ├─sda2                8:2    0   488M  0 part  /media/min
[14:31] <eoinp> └─sda3                8:3    0   1.8T  0 part
[14:31] <eoinp>   └─luks-8a615622-600a-4d84-ba21-69ac3c3eac0e
[14:31] <eoinp>                     252:0    0   1.8T  0 crypt
[14:31] <eoinp>     ├─mint--vg-root 252:1    0   1.8T  0 lvm
[14:31] <eoinp>     └─mint--vg-swap_1
[14:31] <eoinp>                     252:2    0   7.9G  0 lvm
[14:31] <eoinp> sdb                   8:16   0 232.9G  0 disk
[14:31] <eoinp> └─sdb3                8:19   0   7.9G  0 part
[14:31] <eoinp> sdc                   8:32   1   7.3G  0 disk
[14:31] <eoinp> └─sdc1                8:33   1   7.3G  0 part  /cdrom
[14:31] <eoinp> loop0                 7:0    0   1.5G  1 loop  /rofs
[14:31] <Akuli> älkää potkasko sitä vielä... varotetaan ensin :)
[14:31] <eoinp> gotcha
[14:31] <Akuli> eoinp, next time you might as well use a pastebin :)
[14:31] <Akuli> lsblk | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:32] <eoinp> when i try mount it, it asks for my passphrase
[14:32] <Akuli> oh
[14:32] <Akuli> and that makes you think its encrypted?
[14:32] <eoinp> the only passphrases i WOULD have used do not work, neither does just pressing empty
[14:32] <ninnnu> Akuli: Well, the partition list says "LUKS" on it
[14:32] <valoaivo> lol
[14:32] <eoinp> the password was only numbers and letters so i doubt that keyboard layout between live/installed would have made a difference?
[14:32] <valoaivo> Have you tried your account password?
[14:32] <eoinp> and sorry, next time i'll pastebin
[14:32] <Akuli> eoinp, try this: sudo echo hello
[14:33] <ninnnu> eoinp: It could matter, if you used e.g :
[14:33] <Akuli> eoinp, do you have the same password asking problem?
[14:33] <ninnnu> i.e letters that are in different location when comparing FI and US keyboards
[14:34] <eoinp> with mountit says: sudo mount /dev/yourpartition /mnt
[14:34] <valoaivo> You could try switching your keyboard layout from input settings
[14:34] <eoinp> sorry: dev/sda is already mounted or /mnt busy
[14:35] <valoaivo> Wait
[14:36] <valoaivo> Can you copy the exact command and tell me which letter (as in /dev/sdX) is your second drive?
[14:36] <eoinp> yes
[14:37] <eoinp> sda
[14:37] <valoaivo> SDA
[14:37] <eoinp> sda is the 2tb hd
[14:37] <valoaivo> sda should be the drive your install is on
[14:37] <eoinp> akuli: sudo echo hello prints helow as expected
[14:38] <Akuli> maybe we're looking at the wrong drive
[14:38] <eoinp> volaoivo: currently i don't even have mint instaled, currenlty boting from live image
[14:38] <Akuli> eoinp, i thought you were getting stuck at sudo's password asking and you thought the drive was encrypted lol :)
[14:38] <valoaivo> Can you open Disks app and confirm the drive?
[14:39] <eoinp> currently, in my file manager, all drives have dissapeared. theonly folder i see is "file system" this happened abut an hour ago..
[14:40] <eoinp> akuli: yea, the drives were showing up in file manager, i would try click to open, and it would promtp me for a password, which there shouldnt have been one anyways
[14:40] <valoaivo> Does Mint have the Disks app on the live CD?
[14:40] <eoinp> vol: will open disks now, 1 sec
[14:40] <Akuli> eoinp, can you tell which of the things showing up in lsblk is your drive?
[14:41] <Akuli> i'd guess sdb
[14:41] <valoaivo> Yeah
[14:42] <valoaivo> sda partitioning looks like an encrypted Mint install
[14:42] <hahlo> muistu mieleen kun joku "löysi" macin meni istoreen kyseleen miten saa auki
[14:43] <valoaivo> (Has root and swap there)
[14:43] <eoinp> it must be this:<eoinp> sda                   8:0    0   1.8T  0 disk
 ├─sda1                8:1    0   512M  0 part
 ├─sda2                8:2    0   488M  0 part  /media/min
 └─sda3                8:3    0   1.8T  0 part
   └─luks-8a615622-600a-4d84-ba21-69ac3c3eac0e
                     252:0    0   1.8T  0 crypt
     ├─mint--vg-root 252:1    0   1.8T  0 lvm
     └─mint--vg-swap_1
[14:43] <eoinp> sorry i'll pastebin
[14:44] <eoinp> http://pastebin.com/fAbYGL4Z
[14:44] <eoinp> i have a 256gb SSD and a 2TB hardrive
[14:45] <valoaivo> Well, it looks like you have an encrypted Linux Mint installation on your 2TB drive
[14:45] <eoinp> is that not impossible when the drive was physically removed?
[14:45] <valoaivo> If the 2TB drive was your backup drive, it's time for data recovery
[14:46] <valoaivo> Are you sure you removed that drive?
[14:46] <eoinp> yes
[14:46] <valoaivo> The evidence suggests otherwise
[14:46] <eoinp> haha
[14:47] <valoaivo> I don't know how to tell this to you, but you might have your drives messed up
[14:49] <eoinp> but it was physically removed. i had bought a 2tb hardrive and a caddy for the optical bay.. i removed the caddy and installed the OS, put it back in a day later
[14:50] <Akuli> his full lsblk http://dpaste.com/30R4CVQ
[14:50] <eoinp> would enter a password to access my encryption, then another password for my account... neither of these worked to open the 2nd hardrive int he caddy
[14:51] <eoinp> also, just a quick show of gratitude.. thanks for the help :)
[14:51] <Akuli> are you sure you had the same keyboard layout?
[14:52] <eoinp> no i think it changed.. i chose ireland when installing... (maybe after the encryption stage though?) now i am on live, which would be default
[14:52] <eoinp> it was only alpha-numeric.. so i am not sure if anything would have changed
[14:52] <Akuli> hmm
[14:52] <valoaivo> The password is one thing, but the physically disconnected drive getting partitioned like a Mint install is another
[14:53] <eoinp> now, as of a few hours, the drives are no longer visible in the file explorer so i can't even attempt to mount and enter a password
[14:53] <Akuli> we need names for these drives
[14:53] <Akuli> let's call them A and B
[14:53] <valoaivo> How about sda and sdb? :P
[14:53] <eoinp> yes, a can be my primary ssd with the os installed
[14:53] <eoinp> lol
[14:53] <Akuli> eoinp, can you now explain us what exactly you have done with the drives A and B?
[14:53] <eoinp> b would be the 2tb storage drive that was remove
[14:54] <eoinp> drive a constantly left in the pc
[14:54] <valoaivo> Can you remove one now, identify it physically and pastebin lsblk output?
[14:54] <eoinp> drive b easily removed during installation of Mint and reinserted afterward
[14:55] <eoinp> will that work with leaving the laptop running?
[14:56] <eoinp> i have cleared my 256gb ssd and that is why i am now using the live boot image
[14:57] <eoinp> that is why the sdb is showing no mint installation
[14:57] <valoaivo> Yeah, I hotplug drives all the time
[14:57] <valoaivo> Be sure to unmount all partitions and power down the drive
[14:59] <valoaivo> Wait... So you cleared out your SSD?
[15:00] <valoaivo> There *definitely* is an encrypted Mint install on your 2 TB drive
[15:00] <valoaivo> I can prove you
[15:01] <valoaivo> Shut down the computer and boot from the 2TB drive
[15:08] <eoinp> right i will do that
[15:09] <eoinp> ill be back... thanks for the help guys
[15:09] <valoaivo> No problem
[15:10] <valoaivo> Mitä veikkaatte?
[15:11] <Akuli> en tiedä yhtään mitä tapahtuu
[15:11] <valoaivo> Asensiko se Mintun varmuuskopiolevylle?
[15:11] <valoaivo> Ja jos asensi, ei varmaan palaa kertomaan olleensa väärässä
[15:11] <ninnnu> ai siitäkö tässä väännetään
[15:12] <valoaivo> Siltähän tuo vaikuttaa
[15:12] <ninnnu> no ihan selkeesti 2T lätyllä on Mint, ja se kai oli se backup-media
[15:12] <valoaivo> Jep, sama päätelmä
[15:12] <valoaivo> Taisi mennä levyt sekaisin
[15:14] <valoaivo> Osaako joku selostaa testdiskin käyttöä rallienglannilla jos eoinp palaa?
[15:21] <Tomin> ylikirjoittaako LUKS tyhjän tilan?
[15:21] <valoaivo> Ei kai, muuten asennus kestäisi ikuisuuden
[15:24] <valoaivo> ^^ ehkä surkein argumenttini ikinä
[15:24] <Laodikea> Siinä asennusohjelmassa on täppä levyn ylikirjoittamiselle, mutta nyt en muista missä kohtaa se oli
[15:25] <Laodikea> en ole koskaan valinnut sitä
[15:27] <valoaivo> Niin muuten onkin
[15:27] <valoaivo> Mutta eikös se ole format eikä ylikirjoita?
[15:28] <Laodikea> kyllä se on tyhjän levytilan päällekirjoitusvalinta
[15:29] <valoaivo> Ai, no se on eri täppä
[15:29] <valoaivo> Mistä jakelusta me puhutaan?
[15:30] <Laodikea> ubuntusta
[15:30] <Laodikea> !mint
[15:31] <valoaivo> Juu, ubuntusta minäkin
[15:32] <valoaivo> Itse käytän aina englanniksi ja valitsen partitioinnin "Something else"-kohdasta
[15:32] <valoaivo> Siellä on format-täppä
[15:33] <Laodikea> Joo, minä en muista koskaan käyttäneeni sitä something else-kohtaa
[15:37] <valoaivo> mint are you eoinp?
[15:40] <Akuli> mint is mint's default username, i guess he is
[15:42] <mint> YES! i thought i lost this channel forever
[15:42] <mint> sadly.. did not work
[15:43] <mint> i removed it from it's caddy and inserted it where the SSD was
[15:44] <valoaivo> What happened when you tried to boot from the 2TB disk?
[15:44] <mint> iskhttp://imgur.com/a/wBAe5
[15:45] <mint> it just said there was no meida present and returned me to the bios boot menu
[15:45] <Akuli> how does linux detect the partition type?
[15:45] <mint> ?
[15:46] <mint> http://imgur.com/a/hD3Qf
[15:47] <mint> what is interesting if you look at those images
[15:47] <valoaivo> That fat partition on your 2 TB disk (seen on your screenshot) is likely where your /boot is
[15:47] <mint> there are 2 "2TB volumes"
[15:47] <mint> one which has an open lock
[15:47] <mint> under contents it says "LUKS Encryption (version 1) — Unlocked"
[15:47] <mint> unlocked being the interesting part
[15:48] <valoaivo> Well the encrypted LUKS partition is on LVM
[15:49] <mint> Local virtual machine?
[15:49] <valoaivo> Logical Volume Management
[15:49] <mint> ah.. thanks
[15:50] <mint> is there anything that looks out of place with the way it is encrypted
[15:50] <mint> or is that how a standard encryption would actually look?
[15:50] <valoaivo> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_Volume_Manager_(Linux)
[15:51] <valoaivo> Well, that looks just like an encrypted Linux Mint installation
[15:51] <valoaivo> Does the encrypted partition show up on your file manager?
[15:52] <mint> when i first start the machine, yes..
[15:52] <mint> now it seems to dissapear after an unsuccessful log in attempt
[15:52] <valoaivo> What programs do you have open?
[15:53] <mint> now? just firefox and hexchat
[15:53] <valoaivo> Gparted, for example makes them disappear
[15:53] <mint> not open now
[15:53] <mint> was before
[15:54] <valoaivo> Anyway, trying to open the encrypted partition is just a waste of your time at this point
[15:54] <valoaivo> If it was a fresh install, there is nothing of interest in there
[15:55] <mint> well it is all my photos and my wifes photos
[15:55] <mint> all the rest i couldn't care about
[15:55] <valoaivo> As you can see from your screenshot, you have overwritten your mbr partition table with GUID partition table
[15:56] <mint> not that it makes a difference, if it is gone it is gone
[15:56] <valoaivo> What you can do now is install photorec and hope for the best
[15:57] <mint> ah ok, can i ask the process with photorec?
[15:57] <valoaivo> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/File_recovery#Testdisk_and_PhotoRec
[15:58] <valoaivo> Also read the man page
[15:58] <valoaivo> (man photorec)
[15:59] <valoaivo> Note that you need a drive to hold the recovered files
[16:00] <mint> can you select the files or is it all or nothing?
[16:00] <valoaivo> All or nothing
[16:01] <mint> like, if there is 500gb of files, and i only care about 1 gig
[16:01] <mint> ahh
[16:01] <mint> ok
[16:01] <valoaivo> It doesn't look at the file system, it reads bits directly from the drive
[16:01] <Tomin> you can choose what filetypes it looks for though
[16:01] <valoaivo> Yes
[16:02] <Tomin> s/what/which/
[16:02] <valoaivo> Ah, I see that you are on the same side as me in the holy editor war
[16:04] <Tomin> well, I think regex is quite universal
[16:04] <Tomin> tosin joo, vimiä tuppaan käyttämään
[16:04] <mint> if i was to pay for data recovery service, would they be able to get it?
[16:06] <valoaivo> Well, I suppose cheap data recovery shops use the same software ;)
[16:06] <mint> lol
[16:06] <Tomin> probably not if you have overwritten the data you need. If you are lucky, then yes. Hard to say, the HDD is quite big, but we don't know where the file system put the data
[16:06] <Tomin> yeah
[16:06] <mint> also, will the target overdrive be overwritten?
[16:07] <mint> *target hardrive be overwritting
[16:07] <valoaivo> The really expensive ones might get some more data out, because you only overwrote it once
[16:07] <valoaivo> No, photorec will output found files in a folder
[16:08] <mint> and if the target drive runs out of space what will happen then?
[16:08] <mint> sorry for all the questions, just don't wanna fuck shit up on another hard drive
[16:09] <valoaivo> Uh, photorec fails to write and will stop?
[16:09] <mint> then i can just start again?
[16:09] <valoaivo> If you want to be sure, test it with a memory stick
[16:09] <mint> instead of corrupting everything in the process?
[16:09] <mint> cool
[16:10] <Tomin> yes you can try again
[16:11] <valoaivo> It should output files like any other program so the output hard drive should magically explode if it runs out of space
[16:11] <mint> lol...worst case scenario ;)
[16:11] <valoaivo> Lemme find the man page
[16:11] <mint> yea, i just have no idea how sensitive the data is at that point.. never played with data recovery software before
[16:12] <Tomin> you should know that it will be slow, it will find files that you don't need and the files won't have correct filenames, so you need to be very patient
[16:12] <mint> yea, i just have no idea how sensitive the data is at that point.. never played with data recovery software before?
[16:12] <mint> oops
[16:12] <mint> will it show file directories? i would think i would not
[16:13] <valoaivo> I don't think it does
[16:13] <Tomin> it wont
[16:13] <valoaivo> Just invidual files
[16:13] <Tomin> the file system is destroyed so it will be brute force finding of the files
[16:13] <valoaivo> No metadata I guess
[16:13] <Tomin> s/finding/search
[16:14] <valoaivo> Search of the files?
[16:15] <Tomin> well, i mean it will read the disk byte by byte and try to guess if the data resembles a file
[16:15] <Tomin> that's why it needs to know what type the files are
[16:15] <valoaivo> [18:01] <valoaivo> It doesn't look at the file system, it reads bits directly from the drive
[16:16] <Tomin> yes
[16:16] <Tomin> that's what I meant by searching
[16:16] <valoaivo> Looking at the man page, the command you need is "photorec /d *output folder* /dev/sda"
[16:17] <valoaivo> Tomin: I was pointing out your grammar, sorry
[16:17] <Tomin> aa, aivan :D
[16:18] <valoaivo> I really shouldn't since mine sucks as well
[16:19] <Tomin> ihmettelen kyllä miksi kirjoitellaan täällä englanniksi, ehkä ihmisillä on tylsää näin joulun välipäivinä ;)
[16:19] <mint> right, i shall try that then!
[16:19] <mint> thanks again guys
[16:19] <valoaivo> No problem :)
[16:19] <Akuli> mint/eoinp probably doesn't speak finnish
[16:20] <valoaivo> Glad to share my limited knowledge
[16:20] <Tomin> Akuli: yes, but usually we tell non-Finnish people to ask on another channel
[16:20] <Tomin> (well, I don't, but usually somebody does ;)
[16:20] <Akuli> oh i see, i guess he didn't get help on other channels
[16:21] <valoaivo> There wasn't much going on here anyway
[16:21] <Akuli> other support channels are often either big and there's no time to provide help that takes a long time
[16:21] <Akuli> or they're small and nobody knows how to help :)
[16:22] <valoaivo> Well, I don't know that much about stuff but I've installed a few distros and accidentally destroyed countless backups
[16:23] <valoaivo> I'm sick and been lying in bed the whole day so I have time
[16:23] <valoaivo> Today, you, tomorrow me
[16:24] <valoaivo> Uh, please ignore the commas
[16:25] <hahlo> jos joku puhuu noin hyvää lontoota
[16:25] <hahlo> niin ilo sitä lukea
[16:26] <valoaivo> Kiitos <3
[16:31] <Echramath> Toi noin, vissiin usbitetheröinti toimii tätä nykyä sillai ihan luotettavasti ja out of box?
[16:31] <Echramath> Pitäis ehkä kokeilla koota yksi pöytäkone ja asennelle joku ubuntu siihen
[16:31] <Echramath> Eikä tietenkään eetterinettiä
[16:32] <Tomin> ainakin Androidilla nykyään toimii ihan suoraan. Android näkyy tietokoneelle verkkokorttina
[16:32] <Akuli> voit asentaa sen kovalevylle jollain toisella koneella missä on netti ja sitten siirtää kovalevyn siihen ensimmäiseen koneeseen
[16:32] <Tomin> ainakin omalla Nexus 7:lla (joku 4-versio alkujaan ollut)
[16:33] <Tomin> sillä voi yhdistää wlaniinkin, mikä on kätevää, jos vaikka asennusmedialta puuttuu wlanin laiteohjelmistot
[16:33] <Echramath> No niin voisin mutta aattelin näyttää viattomille lapsukaisille miten homma menee
[16:34] <Echramath> Tai siis pistän ne kokoamaan ensin koneen ja sitten asentamaan käyttiksen ja huutelen itse vaan
[16:36] <Laodikea> Joo, Androideilla toimii out-of-the-box, olen käyttänyt paljon. W**10 phonella taas ei saa usb:n kautta nettiä jaettua
[16:38] <Echramath> Tämä tuli huomattua


[13:26] <zbenjamin> daker: it should work on 14.04 .
[13:27] <zbenjamin> daker: i'm still on vacation this week though, however english errors would help a lot ;) .
[13:32] <daker> zbenjamin: i'll try to get english errors when you'll be back
[20:05] <daker> zbenjamin: https://paste.ubuntu.com/23753990/


[19:08] <guest07> does anyone know if it is possible to type ascii numberals 1 not １
[19:09] <guest07> using anthy?
[19:10] <guest07> I want to use programs that take japanese input but uses the builtin select which requires ascii numerals to make the selection and the switching back and forth is a pain.
[19:10] <guest07> is this channel dead?