[11:47] <scguy318> Matt: mebbe sudo dpkg-divert --remove /usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa too
[11:47] <MrPink> warren_ have you tried to reconfigure the xorg.conf ?
[11:47] <scguy318> Matt: then try reinstalling :)
[11:47] <uukchuen> I have programs and gnome segfault, I have no clue why, someone could help?
[11:47] <pau1> So does it d4rkmonkey?
[11:47] <Blackgoth> warren_: most likely your videocard is too slow or you are using the wrong drivers
[11:47] <macd> andy_, ok, do you need the link to the installation instructions?
[11:47] <BleedingMoon> how i know what is my enviroment?
[11:47] <warren_> a couple times...what should I reconfigure it to?
[11:47] <andy_> macd:  yes please (:
[11:47] <BleedingMoon> genome and etc?
[11:47] <|Matt|> scguy318: I did, now it errors on a different file :(
[11:47] <macd> andy_,   http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=72490
[11:47] <MrPink> just rename it and have it created from scratch
[11:47] <scguy318> Matt: which?
[11:47] <d4rkmonkey> pau1 I have no idea, or else I would have answered. Try google, stop repeating yourself, if someone knows, they'll answer
[11:47] <warren_> It is supposed to be support, and others have gotten to work
[11:47] <warren_> I'm just missing a step somewhere
[11:48] <frb> d4rkmonkey: ok, totem-xine says the same thing as kaffiene
[11:48] <|Matt|> scguy318: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38291/
[11:48] <frb> THe disk is encrypted
[11:48] <CorpseFeeder> whenever I insert a DVD movie, Totem Movie Player launches... How can I make gxine launch instead when I insert a DVD?
[11:48] <tkd> thanks mrpink
[11:48] <andrew____> how do i check if there is a driver installed for my webcam?
[11:48] <scguy318> Matt: dpkg-divert --remove /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2
[11:48] <d4rkmonkey> frb I thought it would auto install libdvdcss2 for some reason, sorry about that then
[11:48] <noelferreira> why can't i have both sound on my system and in a player to watch tv for example? I have a onboard sound system. With a pci board everything works fine. any help?
[11:48] <scguy318> Matt: *sudo dpkg-divert...
[11:48] <MrPink> warren: Then I am not sure either...
[11:48] <PriceChild> andrew____, how do you know your webcam isn't working?
[11:48] <warren_> Do I try and reconfigure my X server when I am in the corrupt session that looks like this: http://www.vampsworld.com/Screenshot.png
[11:48] <d4rkmonkey> CorpseFeeder system>preferences>removeable drives and media
[11:48] <scguy318> Matt: sudo dpkg-divert /usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.1.2.xlibmesa to be safe
[11:49] <warren_> I'm not sure  I will be able to
[11:49] <andrew____> it wont work in camorama or ekiga
[11:49] <|Matt|> scguy318: done, trying to install now :)
[11:49] <jkpython> i'm getting this error can anyone help me out: Makefile:67: *** Error: unable to find the sources of your current Linux kernel. Specify KERN_DIR=<directory> and run Make again.. Stop.
[11:49] <macd> andy_, just make sure to follow those exactly, and you should have no problems, I used the same mothod for my workstation.
[11:49] <scguy318> PriceChild: aren't UVCs well supported by the spca driver that's integrated in the kernel?
[11:49] <MrPink> warren you can do that from the terminal
[11:49] <scguy318> jkpython: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[11:50] <PriceChild> scguy318, I've lost you
[11:50] <arooni> would */12 * * * * command_done_every_5_minutes   be a command that is executed every 5 minutes  (crontab)
[11:50] <BleedingMoon> http://www.solutionm.com/gnometab/gnometab.html i wnat to download it. what i need to do?
[11:50] <warren_> Yeah, I just can't read the terminal when I'm in that XGL session...it looks like:http://www.vampsworld.com/Screenshot.png
[11:50] <d4rkmonkey> lol
[11:50] <macd> arooni, thats every hour on the 12th minute.
[11:50] <scguy318> PriceChild: i was under the impression that in Ubuntu Feisty, the spca5xxx or w/e kernel module is integrated, so UVC webcams should be well-supported?
[11:50] <d4rkmonkey> oops wrong window... arg.. sorry bout that!
[11:50] <andy_> macd:  When i do yum update I get an error tho, Warning, could not load sqlite, falling back to pickle
[11:50] <PriceChild> scguy318, i guess so
[11:50] <|Matt|> scguy318: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38294/
[11:51] <arooni> macd, i thought it divided * (60 minutes) by 12
[11:51] <macd> andy_, READ the page, thats for fedora, scroll down to uubntu.
[11:51] <MrPink> warren: Alt + Ctrl + F1 gets you in a terminal without a GUI
[11:51] <scguy318> Matt: oh, looks like I missed the other files :P
[11:51] <macd> arooni, well actualy Im wrong, thats every 12 minutes.
[11:51] <CorpseFeeder> d4rkmonkey: ok thanks... and is there any way to make gxine autostart playing too like Totem does?
[11:51] <scguy318> Matt: sudo dpkg-divert --remove /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1
[11:51] <andy_> macd:  omg, sorry haha xD
[11:51] <scguy318> Matt: sudo dpkg-divert --remove /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2
[11:51] <warren_> okay, then what's the command to reconfigure the x server again?
[11:51] <arooni> macd, ok so now its clear what to do to make it every 5 minutes
[11:51] <scguy318> Matt: then sudo dpkg-divert --remove /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libGLcore.so
[11:52] <PriceChild> !xconfig | warren_
[11:52] <ubotu> warren_: To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  - To configure only the driver and resolution, type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh  - See also !FixRes
[11:52] <scguy318> Matt: sorry for inconveinence
[11:52] <arooni> macd, thanks
[11:52] <macd> arooni, yeah 5 * * * *
[11:52] <MrPink> "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[11:52] <MrPink> I think
[11:52] <d4rkmonkey> CorpseFeeder sorry, I'm not sure
[11:52] <macd>  + one more *
[11:52] <warren_> okay, let's try that!  Thanks MrPink...I shall be back to let everyone know how it went
[11:52] <CorpseFeeder> d4rkmonkey: ok. thanks.
[11:52] <macd> arooni, damn Im full of typos and mistake today, */5 * * * * *
[11:52] <|Matt|> scguy318: dpkg-divert: `diversion of /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libGLcore.so to /usr/lib/nvidia/libGLcore.so.xlibmesa by nvidia-glx' clashes with `diversion of /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libGLcore.so to /usr/lib/nvidia/libGLcore.so.xlibmesa by nvidia-glx-new'
[11:52] <jkpython> thanks alot scguy318. :)
[11:53] <FFighter> hello
[11:53] <MrPink> good luck ;)
[11:53] <arooni> p
[11:53] <FFighter> anyone could recommend a community (forum) specialized in game development for *nix
[11:53] <bennymex> hi. i just wiped my computer and i want to install ubuntu.  do i have to partition it in some way?
[11:53] <macd> andy_, I have to go, good luck :)
[11:53] <Tolgak> lost vital folder in linux, need help
[11:53] <scguy318> jkpython: np
[11:53] <andy_> macd:  thanks for your help :)
[11:53] <andy_> macd:  take care
[11:53] <bennymex> hi. i just wiped my computer and i want to install ubuntu.  do i have to partition it in some way? (100% new to linux)
[11:53] <scguy318> Tolgak: what folder, and what do you need
[11:53] <user_> How do I reinstall gcc?
[11:53] <|Matt|> scguy318:  ah, sorry, missed one of your messages :P
[11:53] <MrPink> benny no the ubuntu install cd should have all you need
[11:54] <scguy318> Matt: np, you want me to repeat?
[11:54] <FFighter> I used to develop Windows games as a hobby, now I would like to start playing with game programming on *nix systems (specifically linux/ubuntu)
[11:54] <scguy318> user_ i would imagine reinstalling build-essential?
[11:54] <macd> user_, you can do 'sudo dpkg-reinstall build-essential'
[11:54] <osmosis> how do I generate a new mtab ?
[11:54] <Tolgak> scguy318: icons, everything in the original folder
[11:54] <scarborough> Installed ubuntu on my new pc, when I installed the nvidia-glx-new and ran nvidia-xconfig. my xorg wont start :S any way to solve it?
[11:54] <|Matt|> scguy318: it's installed now, I'll edit xorg.conf back to "nvidia" then? :)
[11:54] <scguy318> Tolgak: you sure it's not in the Trash can or w/e?
[11:54] <andrew____> so what is my next step to see if i can get my webcam working? in ekiga it gives an error message 'uusb 2.0 device .0 device
[11:54] <Tolgak> positive
[11:55] <scguy318> Matt: the package is supposed to do that automatically, but if no, of course :)
[11:55] <bennymex> er... ok, thanks...  tho that dosent work for me considering i have a serious problem about the dam thing not loading..  i thought maybe partitioning might help.. i already searched in the internet and talked to various ppl (that suggested the same thing over and over) and hasnt helped...  anyway.. thanks
[11:55] <scarborough> got any nvidia experts in here?
[11:55] <fyrestrtr> !webcam | andrew____
[11:55] <ubotu> andrew____: Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[11:55] <user_> macd Ubuntu couldn't find dpkg-reinstall command
[11:55] <Tolgak> scguy318:accidentally used the wrong line, sudo rm -r /usr/share/icons
[11:55] <MrPink> benny what do you have a problem with ?
[11:55] <scguy318> scarborough: i'm no expert but what do you need?
[11:55] <ciber_br> any speak portuguese?
[11:56] <Tolgak> scguy318: thinking it would unlock computer forputting a mous theme in it
[11:56] <scguy318> Tolgak: yeouch, best move would be to reinstall or copy or something
[11:56] <orangefly> can links for sopcast be opened directly from firefox....???....
[11:56] <scguy318> Tolgak: i think it would be a bit late to run testdisk
[11:56] <bennymex> i have an error when trying to boot from the cd.. let me copy it..
[11:56] <scguy318> Tolgak: in the future, watch what you type, and I've seen people alias rm to rm -i as a minor safety measure
[11:56] <Tolgak> scguy318: cd wont reinstall
[11:57] <scarborough> scguy318: installed the nvidia-glx-new and ran nvidia-xconfig then my xorg wont start
[11:57] <wathek> hello all I've a problem with my sound card there's no sound it's not muted and I checked the volume is in the top this is what shows me lspci 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[11:57] <scguy318> scarborough: what's the error?
[11:57] <Tolgak> scguy318: the site I was looking at happened to use that line as an example for something else, the line I needed was gksudo nautilus
[11:57] <scguy318> Tolgak: :(, i dunno what to say
[11:57] <wweasel> Does anyone have a suggestion of a method I could employ in my batch script to prevent two instances from running concurrently
[11:57] <user_> How do I reinstall gcc?
[11:57] <scguy318> user_: reinstall build-essential via sudo dpkg-reinstall build-essential?
[11:57] <macd> user_,  sorry bout that 'sudo apt-get --reinstall install build-essential'
[11:58] <Tolgak> scguy318: is there any way I can get the original folder? It wont let me do it runnign a live cd
[11:58] <scguy318> user_: what macd said really
[11:58] <MrPink> scguy318  have you tried to have your xorg.conf reconfigured again... or restored a backup to get back in ?
[11:58] <scguy318> MrPink: you're addressing the wrong person :)
[11:58] <scguy318> MrPink: I believe it's scarborough that has the problem
[11:58] <MrPink> oops lol ^
[11:58] <MrPink> ^^
[11:58] <scguy318> Tolgak: mm, i dunno...:(
[11:59] <scarborough> scguy318: not sure :S not much help here. but maby my graf card isnt supported? nvidia geforce 8500
[11:59] <scguy318> Tolgak: perhaps others here have better suggestions
[11:59] <Tolgak> scguy318: thanks for trying to help anyway, i appreciate it
[11:59] <scguy318> scarborough: have you done sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg yet?
[11:59] <MrPink> then whatever I said above goes for scarborough :D
[11:59] <user_> scguy318: It worked, Sir. Thank you.
[11:59] <bennymex> boot failure reboot and select proper device or insert boot media in selected boot device ubuntu.  i burned it 3 times with 3 diffetent software.  the cd's DO work.  the boot sequence is correct,  i tried the alternate version too...  i gave up yesturday and desided to try mandriva but it give me an error when installing (dosent specify the error[i think i might have burned it wrongly] , the menu does load).
[11:59] <user_> macd: It worked, Sir. Thank you.
[11:59] <Tolgak> anybody know how I can get the original usr/share/icons folder and all the files in it?
[12:00] <scguy318> bennymex: you did burn as an image?
[12:00] <bennymex> yes
[12:00] <Zombine> So.... I just installed a BitTorrent browser.... Now let say I wanted to connect to anetworkfull of umm.... totally legal music downloads...
[12:00] <bennymex> i did...
[12:00] <scarborough> MrPink /  scguy318: no I havnt, not what you would call a poweruser :S
[12:00] <{[rediz] }> hey yall
[12:00] <user_> However, I still can't make opengl work. I don't know how to install the files.
[12:00] <iSVai> ?
[12:00] <scguy318> bennymex: strange, perhaps CRC issue? :(
[12:00] <user_>  All I need is to use the general <gl/gl.h> <gl/glu.h> <gl/glaux.h> files.
[12:00] <scguy318> bennymex: there are alternate ways of installing Ubuntu
[12:01] <scguy318> !install | bennymex
[12:01] <ubotu> bennymex: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[12:01] <bennymex> with ok
[12:01] <bennymex> ill see that
[12:01] <bennymex> !install
[12:01] <Matt189> brilliant, it works scguy318, thank you so much :)
[12:01] <MrPink> ok well it is fairly simple: Alt + F2  write xterm  and then: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"  Enter... and then Ctrl + Alt + Backspace to logout and log back in and hope it worked ;)
[12:01] <scguy318> scarboroguh: it seems the Ubuntu restricted does not support your driver, however, the latest Nvidia seems to
[12:02] <scguy318> scarborough: and sry for typo
[12:02] <AaronMT> !xfce
[12:02] <ubotu> xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". | For support, see #xubuntu | See also: !ubuntu and !xubuntu-channels
[12:02] <scguy318> Matt189: np
[12:02] <scguy318> scarborough: there is Envy (strongly advising against that), and then there is the Nvidia official driver installer
[12:02] <kazim59> What should I do when my broadband connection is not able to resolve www.blogger.com? While able to access other websites
[12:02] <kaos_> hi there does anyone know of a way to retreive a personal wpa key from the default keyring?
[12:02] <bennymex> ok.. umm...  ill try to figure an alternate way.. tho the computer im installing it in is kind of old (2001)
[12:03] <Matt189> kasim59: you could try using a different dns :)
[12:03] <TUXedomember> i need help hooking my ti-89ti up to ubuntu !!!!!!!!!!!HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:03] <VWJ1bnR1> Can anyone please help me with my modem.  I'm desperate to get it up and running.
[12:03] <kazim59> Matt189: DNS are coming via DHCP
[12:03] <scguy318> kazim59: http://<IP_ADDRESS> :P
[12:03] <scguy318> kazim59: doesn't address the underlying issue tho
[12:03] <scarborough> scguy318: but isnt nvidia-glx-new official nvidia driver?
[12:03] <scguy318> scarborough: they are, but older
[12:03] <Tolgak> can anbody offer me a download for the original usr/share/icons folder?
[12:03] <Tolgak> can anbody offer me a download for the original usr/share/icons folder?
[12:03] <Matt189> kazim59: I dunno whether I'm advising you correctly but: http://www.opendns.com/ :)
[12:03] <Tolgak> sorry for double post
[12:04] <scarborough> scguy318: how do I get the new ones? when I cant log in to ubuntu ?
[12:04] <kaos_> hi there does anyone know of a way to retreive a personal wpa key from the default keyring?
[12:04] <MrPink> heguru how far along are you with whomever you are helping ?


[22:23] <Younder> I am trying to start ubutu in runlevel 3 with text mode
[22:23] <Younder> However gdm is started by upstast with a script /etc/init/gdm.conf
[22:24] <tormod> Younder, to boot without X just add the "text" boot option
[22:24] <Younder> in grub's menu.lst?
[22:24] <tormod> runlevels are yesterday
[22:25] <tormod> yes, or just at the grub prompt if you don't want to save it
[22:27] <Younder> ok 'll try that


[07:59] <lexhider> Riddell: r u there?
[09:17] <Kmorph> Hello
[09:41] <tvo> Riddell: w00t, uds_hidden patch is committed :)
[11:59] <Riddell> well done tvo :)
[12:00] <tvo> thanks
[12:35] <Mez> well done?
[12:35] <Mez> what did you do tvo?
[12:36] <tvo> got this patch accepted into KDE --> http://home.casema.nl/vollebregt/soc/uds_hidden.diff
[12:37] <tvo> with it, kioslaves can override (the absence of) a leading dot
[12:37] <tvo> and as such, override whether a file should be hidden/shown
[04:37] <tvo> Riddell: did you have any layout in mind for the search bar on about:konqueror?
[04:37] <tvo> or should I just try a bit?
[04:38] <tvo> Riddell: and can I use JavaScript?
[04:38] <tvo> since an user could disable it..
[05:16] <tvo> nm, I think I'll figure out how to do it without JS
[05:43] <Mez> WANTED: very brave user with Ubuntu hoary who doesnt mind reinstalling
[05:47] <Mez> Riddell, is dev.kubuntu.org.uk down?
[05:48] <Riddell> Mez: nope
[05:49] <Mez> Riddell: I'm timing out on SSH/web
[05:50] <Riddell> try a traceroute
[05:52] <allee> Mez: I've an empty partion. Or is there danger that it screws up my other 6 OS partions?
[05:55] <Mez> allee :D we'll see for np
[05:56] <allee> so plain/fresh kubuntu is enough? or should I add more stuff before I try you highly-experimental pkgs?
[05:57] <allee> Mez: btw. what should I install, where can I pick it up?
[05:57] <Mez> you need gnome :D
[05:59] <allee> Mez: you dare to ask here ;)  We'll I can add ubuntu-desktop if that helps.
[06:00] <Mez> allee, was an amsg
[06:01] <Mez> lol
[06:02] <Mez> Riddell, what package is tracert in
[06:03] <allee> btw. Mez wasn't it you how ad problem with digikam tagging?  FWIW I could reproduce it
[06:04] <sebas> Mez: traceroute (tracert is the windows equivalent IIRC)
[06:04] <Mez> allee, yes
[06:04] <Mez> bash: traceroute: command not found
[06:05] <sebas> sudo apt-get install traceroute
[06:05] <sebas> It lives in /usr/bin/ here.
[06:07] <allee> Mez:  apt-get install mtr # is worth a try too
[06:12] <Mez> traceroute to dev.kubuntu.org.uk (<IP_ADDRESS>), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
[06:12] <Mez>  1  * * *
[06:12] <Mez>  2  <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>)  14.358 ms * *
[06:12] <Mez>  3  * * *
[06:12] <Mez>  4  * * *
[06:41] <fromoze> O_O
[06:42] <fromoze> have your read about opensuse?
[06:42] <fromoze> I'm surprised about the date to the 10.0 release; late september, just before ubuntu/kubuntu breezy...
[06:43] <fromoze> may be suse looks to ubuntu/kubuntu as a oponent?
[06:49] <allee> fromoze: suse releases twice a year too.  Is september release unusual?
[06:52] <fromoze> I dunno... just reading about OpenSuse :P
[07:22] <jjesse> can i ask a simple question, are there any colony cd's for breezy and kubuntu?
[09:37] <author> hi
[09:37] <jpatrick> hi
[09:38] <author> bist du dieser jj
[09:38] <author> ""
[09:42] <jpatrick> ?
[09:42] <jpatrick> 'are you this'?
[09:43] <author> sry..
[09:49] <tvo> Riddell: http://johanneswilm.isasecret.com/TC1000/0032-fix_rotated_randr.diff
[10:39] <Riddell> tvo: remind me tomorrow please, I've bad cold this evening
[10:39] <tvo> Riddell: ok


[17:45] <xubuntu55i> hi . i`m installed xubuntu now. it is very beautifull .but when it starts up. befor boot animation gives an error: frame ware bug
[17:45] <xubuntu55i> help me plz
[19:22] <juju_> i have a working xubuntu on a notebook. a month ago I made a backup copy of all the os. I suppose what I have to do now is simply copy my home dir from the backup in the os´ home directoy, unless you suggest something else
[19:28] <juju_> can anyone confirm my question?
[19:48] <well_laid_lawn> juju_:  you can do that
[20:45] <juju_> is my xubuntu less safe if I dont encrypt the hdd before installing?
[22:08] <santiago_> hello
[22:08] <santiago_> ?
[23:55] <hellp> hi
[23:55] <hellp> creating a live usb the person who helped me deleted the wrong usb and very important data was lost, apparently...
[23:56] <hellp> is there any way of reverting the usb to its previous state?
[23:56] <Unit193> Did he already write stuff to it?
[23:56] <Unit193> !info testdisk
[23:56] <hellp> yes Unit193
[23:56] <Unit193> Chances are slim then.
[23:56] <hellp> a bootable lice usb is now all the unit shows
[23:57] <hellp> live*
[23:57] <hellp> sudo apt install testdisk?
[23:58] <Unit193> testdisk or the other one, but as I said don't get your hopes up.
[23:58] <Unit193> http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk here's some documentation on it.


[03:27] <TommyT> Hope things are going well for folks... I haven't checked the logs to see if anyone has been around lately.
[03:29] <TommyT> Anyone actually here tonight? (I can't stay so I don't know why I'm bothering...)
[03:30] <kwadroke> I'm not here
[03:31] <TommyT> oops sorry to bother you then :-)
[03:31] <kwadroke> I'm not sure if anyone else isn't here
[03:31] <kwadroke> :)
[03:31] <kwadroke> long time no see
[03:32] <TommyT> ya... things have been tough around here.  my wife has been sick, and now her mother is sick, too!
[03:32] <kwadroke> that sucks
[03:32] <TommyT> I do have some things I'd like to chat with folks about, but I'm getting the "come to bed" texts earlier than usual since she is sick.
[03:33] <TommyT> Do you use Thunderbird for email?
[03:34] <kwadroke> no
[03:34] <kwadroke> using Gmail at the moment, but thinking of switching
[03:34] <TommyT> I use Gmail for Gmail but T'bird for everything else
[03:35] <TommyT> but it doesn't coexist with Chrome very well on a 1GB RAM netbook.
[03:35] <TommyT> at least I THINK that's the limiting factor
[03:35] <TommyT> The whole thing bogs way down. Seems processor-bound. Either alone is OK (not great).
[03:36] <kwadroke> chrome's sandboxes are nice, but it starts to eat memory
[03:36] <kwadroke> fast
[03:36] <TommyT> That is probably the problem. I always have 6-10 tabs open and I know it makes new processes for each one
[03:37] <TommyT> the latest Thunderbird seems to have some performance issues, too, so between them it's painful
[03:38] <TommyT> The netbook is an Acer Aspire One something-or-other and the RAM is not easy to get to. Not impossible (youtube directions say) but just enough I haven't cracked it
[03:38] <kwadroke> I have 7-8 tabs pinned on my desktop at work and it can take up all my cpu and memory sometimes
[03:39] <TommyT> this desktop system in my office does great with lots of things open, but it has... (looking) lots of ram... don't know how much
[03:40] <TommyT> 3gb RAM and two 2.80gb pentium cores
[03:40] <kwadroke> I think it's mostly a cpu problem for me, it's an old single core cpu
[03:41] <TommyT> it makes a huge difference. The netbook has two 1.8ghz (sorry mistake above) cores
[03:42] <TommyT> I bought a junk single-core 1.8Ghz machine at Luyet the other day for a project for $35 and it just isn't the same. :-)
[03:42] <TommyT> they are really nice -- Debian fans
[03:43] <kwadroke> really... Is that the place on oak>
[03:43] <kwadroke> ?
[03:43] <kwadroke> I need to get about 6-7 junkers
[03:43] <TommyT> I have been intending to take them an Alt install disk (Ubuntu) so they can see it is Debian underneath. Yes, Oak & Harkrider
[03:43] <kwadroke> ok. almost went by there the other day
[03:44] <kwadroke> just show them apt-get, if they are truely debian fans, they'd know
[03:44] <TommyT> about a month ago they had a passel of these Optiplex systems. OK but not much better than the junker I was replacing.
[03:44] <kwadroke> I have a game I need the computers for, but unfortunately it's a windows game
[03:45] <TommyT> Ya these $35 systems come with Windows XP "skinned" with their logo
[03:45] <TommyT> Or maybe it was Windows 7... I never looked
[03:45] <TommyT> I wiped the drive as soon as I got it... then wondered if I would regret it if I need a BIOS update
[03:46] <TommyT> this is one of the models the Dell linux BIOS tools don't work on
[03:46] <TommyT> It also was very picky about RAM; I had to try twice before I found some cheap stuff to get it up to the max 2Gb
[03:47] <kwadroke> you know if they have more?
[03:47] <TommyT> When I bought this one they had three on the floor and said they had bought a pallet of them
[03:47] <TommyT> But now that I think about it I probably bought this in December
[03:47] <TommyT> Or early January
[03:48] <TommyT> They are definitely a better place to buy junkers than Family computer on Front st.
[03:49] <TommyT> I went into Family one day and they were showing me a Dell; wanted $75 for it. They bought it from the hospital. I said "I bet you could get some interesting viruses from that." they said "Not after WE take care of it!" I said (coughing) I meant HUMAN viruses.
[03:50] <kwadroke_> lol
[03:50] <kwadroke_> some reason my connection died
[03:50] <TommyT> does it failover to a different account?
[03:50] <kwadroke_> I went there a couple weeks ago looking for a AT-PS2 adapter
[03:51] <kwadroke_> took me 5 minutes for them to understand
[03:51] <kwadroke_> no, on the webchat client
[03:51] <TommyT> My theory is the guy who runs it started the business because a spouse wanted him out of the house. He smokes a LOT, so everything smells of smoke.
[03:53] <kwadroke_> yeah, I noticed that
[03:53] <TommyT> Well, I still have to go wash some dishes etc. Good to chat with you; Check out Luyet; I was reasonably happy for my $35.
[03:54] <kwadroke_> yeah, might go by there tomorrow
[03:54] <kwadroke_> cya laters
[03:54] <TommyT> seeya
[04:16] <kwadroke> ugggh, keep getting bumped


[00:06] <rick_h__> phew, bed time == hack time
[01:02] <rick_h__> Blazeix: you going to be at CHC wed?
[01:03] <rick_h__> Blazeix: if so, care to block out time for code review/css help in getting the control pretty?
[01:23] <Blazeix> rick_h__: yeah, I should be there. sounds fun :)
[02:02] <jjesse> evening
[02:02] <jjesse> everyone having fun?
[02:23] <snap-l> jjesse: totally.
[02:24] <jjesse> yay
[02:26] <snap-l> Yourself?
[02:27] <jjesse> i think so, trying to get the new year started after being off for a week and then spending all day driving
[02:40] <snap-l> Ugh, that's no fun.
[02:43] <tjagoda> Ohi
[02:46] <snap-l> Hey tjagoda
[02:47] <tjagoda> tjagoda is not prepared to return to work from vacation tomorrow
[02:47] <snap-l> I can imagine
[02:47] <snap-l> I'm not ready to return to an office.
[02:47] <tjagoda> Trainin on EDI for the new ERP the next three days
[02:48] <tjagoda> Training*
[02:48] <tjagoda> Need to learn Oracle plSQL
[02:48] <snap-l> Lucky you
[02:48] <snap-l> Hope you remember your basntardized Pascal
[02:48] <tjagoda> Combining Procedural language with SQL just sounds painful
[02:49] <snap-l> From what I remembered of PLSQL, I didn't quite see the point of not using Perl externally from the database.
[02:50] <tjagoda> I am forced to use plSQL from inside the ERP application
[02:50] <tjagoda> ='(
[02:51] <snap-l> WEll, it could be worse.
[02:51] <snap-l> (Actually, who am I kidding? It's pretty bad. ;) )
[02:51] <snap-l> (kidding)
[02:51] <snap-l> (mostly)
[02:51] <tjagoda> Hopefully I will not have to bombard you with PLSQL inquiries =P
[02:51] <snap-l> I've forgotten more PL/SQL than I ever learned.
[02:52] <tjagoda> "Remember years ago when you used this under duress?"
[02:52] <snap-l> then spending all day     │ lotia_
[02:52] <snap-l> Well, that was entertaining
[02:52] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PL/SQL
[02:52] <snap-l> Let's try that again.
[02:53] <tjagoda> lolz
[02:54] <snap-l> Frankly, it was a godsend when they embedded Java in Oracle
[02:54] <snap-l> and I don't say that lightly.
[02:55] <tjagoda> I have roughly 30ish days to learn EDI and plSQL and then program 33 EDI transaction sets
[02:55] <tjagoda> Well
[02:55] <tjagoda> 33 trading partners
[02:55] <tjagoda> each with multiple sets
[02:56] <snap-l> tjagoda: You can pick up PL/SQL in less than a week
[02:56] <snap-l> It's just not fun to code in.
[02:56] <tjagoda> From what I saw on the wiki when I reviewed it the other day it looks human readable just like vanilla SQL
[02:56] <snap-l> It's essentially Pascal
[02:56] <tjagoda> Let me just climb into my time capsual
[02:57] <tjagoda> And visit the days of pascalian glory
[11:50] <rick_h__> morning party people
[12:01] <Wolfger> morning. Holy crap, tjagoda came back last night?
[12:26] <rick_h__> I really do need to leave myself some better notes when I leave a project for a week
[12:26] <rick_h__> Wolfger: yea, I was floored. I hadn't seen him in a while
[12:28] <Wolfger> Hadn't heard from him here or on the Penguicon list save for a recent announcement that he was withdrawing as con chair due to lack of time for it.
[12:28] <rick_h__> ouch
[12:30] <Wolfger> Need to fire up Kubuntu from the hotel tonight, but it looks like my fresh install over the weekend may have cured my wifi issues. Connection from home seemed to be rock solid.
[12:30] <rick_h__> nice
[12:35] <snap-l> g'morning
[12:36] <rick_h__> morning, you hitting orientation fun? :)
[12:36] <rick_h__> get your buddy and all that business :P
[12:37] <snap-l> Not until after 9:30, but thanks for the anxiety. ;)
[12:37] <rick_h__> hah
[12:38] <Wolfger> Just shave your head and rant a lot. You'll be a perfect replacement for rick_h__  :-)
[12:39] <rick_h__> definitely helps with a shaven head...you seem a bit scarier in that corp building
[12:45] <snap-l> I'll need all the scary I can muster up. ;)
[12:50] <brousch> gonna kick ass and takes names?
[12:53] <Wolfger> chew bubblegum
[12:53] <snap-l> brousch: We shall see
[12:54] <tjagoda> Somebody remind me what I was working on before the holidays?
[12:55] <Wolfger> Penguicon
[12:55] <Wolfger> :-)
[12:55] <Wolfger> and "avoiding IRC"
[12:56] <tjagoda> I actually resigned from Penguicon
[12:56] <Wolfger> welcome back, by the way
[12:56] <tjagoda> as I was both doing a poor job at PR and too busy at work
[12:56] <tjagoda> avoiding IRC is totes legit though
[12:56] <Wolfger> Yeah, I saw the notice about you resigning con chair. That's why I said you were working on it before the holidays.
[12:57] <brousch> tjagoda: you have not been on much lately so i'm afraid we can't help you there
[12:57] <tjagoda> Not enough coffee in these veins to interpret the lulz
[12:57]  * tjagoda fixes this
[12:58] <tjagoda> I upgraded to alpha 1 on my laptop Saturday
[12:58] <tjagoda> Had to check the sources file to see if it actually upgraded because everything looks the same.
[12:58] <Wolfger> woot!
[12:58] <tjagoda> I didn't even get a new splash screen!
[12:58] <tjagoda>  /heartbroken
[12:59] <Wolfger> Yeah, I think the very first alpha version is like "the current stable with a few files updated"
[12:59] <tjagoda> Ironically
[12:59] <tjagoda> more stable than my stable
[12:59] <Wolfger> give it 30 days. It'll change a lot
[13:00] <tjagoda> 11.10 does random hard locks on me for reasons I have not been able to deduce
[13:00] <tjagoda> 12.04 alpha 1 has so far not done so
[13:00] <Wolfger> more stable than stable? Great. Now I have Rob Zombie in my head...
[13:01] <tjagoda> My aversion to musics cures me from this problem
[13:03] <tjagoda> afk phone repair
[13:03] <Wolfger> German grammar just blows my mind sometimes, as I do word for word translations: "Can you me please another napkin bring?"
[13:17] <Wolfger> p.se is starting to look respectable... http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/46716/what-should-every-programmer-know-about-web-development
[13:43] <tjagoda> So when they painted the walls of the shop, they painted over an RJ11 junction box
[13:43] <tjagoda> Turns out paint slowly destroys the ability of those little RJ tabs to keep the plug secured
[13:43] <brousch> duck tape
[13:43] <tjagoda> Also turns out that white paint camouflages plugs from my eyes
[13:44] <tjagoda> I just eliminated the junction with those little button splicing connectors
[13:44] <tjagoda> PAINT THIS MOTHEREFFERS
[13:59] <brousch> tjagoda: I am disappointed with my new local Tim Hortons. Their breakfast sandwiches are very bland. Who in Canada can I contact about this?
[14:01] <ColonelPanic001> anyone
[14:02] <ColonelPanic001> All Canadians are valid recipients of complaints
[14:02] <ColonelPanic001> Partial ownership of the company comes with citizenship
[14:06] <tjagoda> bland?
[14:06] <tjagoda> You must be too far away from the mothership.
[14:06] <tjagoda> See snap-l and his theory about Tim Hortons quality being directly proportional to the Canadian Border's proximity
[14:09] <brousch> he may be right
[14:29] <tjagoda> Just spent an egregious amount of money at O'Reilly as I noticed they had a buy 2 get one free sales.
[14:29] <tjagoda> sale*
[14:29] <Wolfger> heh
[14:29] <Wolfger> "honey, look how much money I saved!"
[14:30] <Wolfger> "If your paycheck was bigger, I could have saved even more!"
[14:30] <tjagoda> I wanted to just buy a PLsql book
[14:30] <tjagoda> then I ended up buying a PLsql book and some Junos security books
[14:30] <tjagoda> Damn you, marketers. =(
[14:54] <rick_h__> LOTD https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/183595
[15:00] <brousch> w
[15:00] <brousch> t
[15:00] <brousch> f
[15:01] <tjagoda> tl;dr
[15:02] <tjagoda> I read the part in the middle where he called microsoft for help with is linux
[15:02] <tjagoda> trololololol
[15:06] <_stink_> ...
[15:06] <_stink_> wow
[15:06] <rick_h__> yea, so part of my job is to spend time going through LP support stuff, questions/etc. That's my intro one today
[15:06] <rick_h__> I'm not even sure what to say...
[15:07] <brousch> A: Please impale yourself on a rusty fencepost.
[15:08] <brousch> i'm not even sure if he's running debian, windows, ubuntu, or kubuntu
[15:10] <Wolfger> rick_h__: that's the biggest wtf I've seen in a while
[15:10] <rick_h__> Wolfger: ok, glad it wasn't just me
[15:10] <Wolfger> I'm inclined to copy and paste it to p.se
[15:10] <Wolfger> just for the lulz
[15:10] <rick_h__> I wasn't sure if I should post it...but it's really some quality work
[15:10] <rick_h__> no, don't mean to spread things like that
[15:11] <rick_h__> more for the private logged audience here :)
[15:11] <Wolfger> :)
[15:11] <Wolfger> I love that it's a question for "Launchpad"
[15:15] <Wolfger> No asignee yet... Who do you not like that you can assign it to? ;-)
[15:15] <brousch> jcastro can clean it up
[15:15] <brousch> i think they're testing you
[15:16] <brousch> to see how you handle a meth-addled troll
[15:17] <jcastro> heh
[15:18] <Wolfger> brousch: +1 on the jcastro idea
[15:31] <tjagoda> where does rick_h work now?
[15:31] <tjagoda> ubuntu?
[15:32] <brousch> well, canonical
[15:32] <rick_h__> tjagoda: launchpad team at canonical
[15:32] <brousch> he's our newest whipping boy
[15:32] <rick_h__> wheeee
[15:33] <tjagoda> lulz
[15:33] <tjagoda> Hows the experience?
[15:33] <tjagoda> Does Mark Shuttleworth personally demand you be business casual even in the confines of your own home?
[15:34] <rick_h__> it's a bit crazy. LP is BIIIIIIIG
[15:34] <brousch> i imagine him wearing a nicely pressed shirt and tie with boxer-briefs and crocks
[15:34] <rick_h__> heh, no idea
[15:39] <_stink_> brousch: stop stealing my fantasies
[15:39] <brousch> _stink_: stop sharing them as anonymous coward on slashdot
[15:39] <_stink_> :O
[16:32] <rick_h__> heh http://sourceforge.net/blog/mirror/
[16:49] <brousch> fascinating
[16:52] <rick_h__> jcastro: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/abmgjcmmphkhndoahbfanhbgeekconmm
[16:52] <rick_h__> are you using something else for your gmail templates and such?
[16:52] <jcastro> I only use the sig templates
[16:52] <jcastro> which are built in
[16:53] <rick_h__> ah, ok
[16:53] <rick_h__> I'm getting sick of re typing LP templates and such. Might be cool for AskUbuntu stuff
[16:53] <jcastro> yeah
[16:54] <jcastro> there's a labs one that does this
[16:56] <jcastro> http://stackapps.com/questions/2116/autoreviewcomments-pro-forma-comments-for-se
[16:56] <jcastro> is what I use for AU
[16:56] <jcastro> http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/1323/what-prewritten-comments-can-we-use-and-share
[16:56] <jcastro> with those
[16:59] <rick_h__> ah nice
[17:02] <greg-g> g'morn
[17:02] <rick_h__> howdy greg-g
[17:21] <rick_h__> Blazeix: this seems pretty sweet http://coreygoldberg.blogspot.com/2012/01/officially-introducing-sst-python-web.html
[18:38] <nullspace> yawn
[18:41] <rick_h__> pretty much
[18:42] <nullspace> huh, so rick_h__ your in bham?
[18:43] <rick_h__> bham?
[18:44] <nullspace> rick_h__62 was coming from brhmmi.sbcglobal.net
[18:44] <rick_h__> ah, on the cell
[18:44] <nullspace> interesting
[18:44] <rick_h__> well, the 4g mifi
[19:11] <Wolfger> nullspace == stalker?
[19:16] <greg-g> Wolfger: just another name for a lurker
[19:33] <jcastro> greg-g: 2 new questions in one day!
[19:34] <greg-g> jcastro: I know!
[19:34] <greg-g> jcastro: Shotwell is frustrating to me :/
[19:35] <jcastro> the devs monitor their tag
[19:35] <jcastro> so you should get answers soon
[19:36] <greg-g> awesome
[19:36] <jcastro> keep em coming!
[19:36] <greg-g> I'm also like 1 mile away from their office, so if they don't answer, I can go have a talking to with them :)
[19:40] <jcastro> they're awesome guys
[19:40] <jcastro> I wonder how they are doing
[19:40] <jcastro> it's really just google millionaire gets bored, starts company, heh
[19:40] <jcastro> I am glad he's investing in free software though, unf.
[19:43] <greg-g> yeah, definitely awesome exit strategy
[19:43]  * greg-g dreams
[19:43] <greg-g> oh non-profit work, how I love/hate you
[19:50] <greg-g> jcastro: man, they are quick, eric answered both questions already :)
[19:51] <jcastro> when your question is written well it's faster than IRC
[19:51] <greg-g> I'll take that as a compliment :)
[19:52] <jcastro> I am starting to be convinced that the internet actually hinders people from communicating
[19:52] <jcastro> like, read any youtube comment
[19:53] <Wolfger> iz can haz problems wif my wifi. HALP PLZ!!!!
[19:53] <jcastro> indeed
[19:53] <nullspace> greg-g: I'd hardly call myself a lurker, but hey I barely talk in IRC, work needs to get done
[19:55] <jcastro> greg-g: EDIT is my latest target
[19:55] <jcastro> https://plus.google.com/b/107921963368679288414/107921963368679288414/posts/dXvjwXRnvSC
[19:55] <nullspace> I recall an onion report saying that the internet went down for a day and in related news work productivty went up 30%
[19:55] <Wolfger> lulz
[19:56] <Wolfger> I think it's funny how people don't believe employees wasted time pre-internet
[19:57] <nullspace> there are plenty of people that waste time and barely understand how to use their computer
[19:57] <Wolfger> Some people waste their time and mine just by trying to do their job and failing :-p
[19:58] <Wolfger> Oops, sorry. Too curmudgeonly?
[19:59] <Wolfger> I'm alternately embracing and avoiding becoming a grumpy old man.
[20:25] <snap-1> Hello, world.
[20:25] <snap-1> I have confirmed once again that I am not that bright
[20:26] <snap-1> Generated a private key on another machine, so it can't be decoded properly.
[20:26] <snap-1> so I can't get into the home machine.
[20:26] <snap-1> <- Stupid.
[20:27] <rick_h__> doh
[20:27] <rick_h__> well welcome online
[20:27] <rick_h__> get your machine up and running then?
[20:27] <snap-1> Thanks. Good to be back
[20:27] <snap-1> no, that's the other dim-bulb move
[20:27] <snap-1> created a 386 stick, not a 64 bit stick
[20:27] <rick_h__> oops
[20:28] <snap-1> so I'm waiting for the download.
[20:28] <snap-1> At least I brought two sticks.
[20:28] <brousch> see why keys drive me nuts?
[20:28] <rick_h__> there you go, what are you downloading/running on?
[20:28] <brousch> give me passwords
[20:28] <rick_h__> brousch: SHUSH
[20:28] <snap-1> brousch: Folks can guess passwords
[20:28] <snap-1> they have a harder time guessing 2048 bit keys.
[20:29] <brousch> that is true
[20:29] <snap-1> I'm running on the 386 stick
[20:29] <rick_h__> keys > *
[20:29] <rick_h__> It took me forever to talk people at morpace to use them more
[20:29] <snap-1> Gave myself 3GB to run on
[20:29] <snap-1> Seriously, keys are a godsend
[20:29] <brousch> keys are so big you can't even remember them when you need them
[20:29] <rick_h__> ? 3gb to run on?
[20:29] <snap-1> except when you do stupid things with them
[20:29] <snap-1> 3GB od free disk space on a 4GB key.
[20:35] <rick_h__> ah, gotcha. So you're running on a live usb setup
[20:36] <snap-1> Yeah, don't leave home without it.
[21:34] <brousch> Kubuntu 11.10 runs very well on my MBP. It even picked up the sound , video, and wifi drivers automagically. I had to manually cram them in last time I tried this.
[21:34] <brousch> bravo ubuntu!
[21:36] <brousch> now i just need my pretty blue kubuntu stickers to show up so i can cover over than glowing apple
[21:36] <devinheitmueller> A user's Ubuntu install worked with his/her hardware out of the box!?!?!?  It's a Christmas miracle!
[21:36] <devinheitmueller> :-)
[21:36] <brousch> the miracle is that it worked with apple hardware oob
[21:37] <devinheitmueller> Oh, check the ubuntu macbook page though.  On some of the Macbook pros, it appears to work but the fans are properly enabled (so you'll burn out the hardware)
[21:37] <devinheitmueller> s/are/aren't/
[21:48] <brousch> yikes
[21:50] <devinheitmueller> brousch: you might be ok, but I would definitely check that page before concluding success.
[21:51] <devinheitmueller> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MactelSupportTeam/CommunityHelpPages
[21:51] <brousch> hm, lucid seems to be the last release https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro5-5/Lucid
[21:52] <brousch> thanks for the tip
[21:52] <devinheitmueller> np
[21:52] <devinheitmueller> If you figure out your status, you should feel free to update the wiki with the latest findings.
[21:53] <brousch> how would i know if the fans are working? fire up eclipse and see if it melts?
[21:54] <devinheitmueller> pretty much.
[21:54] <devinheitmueller> Compile the kernel and see if you hear/feel the fans kick in.


[11:19] <fg__> Not sure whether to ask here or in -devel, but where can I find the repo for the zfs-linux packaging branch? The source package just references the upstream zfs/zol tag for the source code, but I can't find a link for the xenial packaging branch..
[11:25] <fg__> ( launchpad only shows one for wily[-proposed].. )
[12:05] <apw> cking, ^
[12:09] <cking> fg__, you require zfsutils-linux, probably easiest if just apt-get source for that
[13:05] <fg__> cking: I know how to ge the zfs source package - I'd like to know if there is a (public) repository where the packaging stuff is developed
[13:06] <fg__> like this for the kernel: git://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel/ubuntu/+source/linux/+git/xenial
[13:06] <cking> fg__, not quite yet, I've got a repo, but it's out of date and needs some love for the packaging side
[13:06] <fg__> the zfs source package contains a gbp.conf which refers to a xenial branch, so I assume there is a git repository somewhere (but it might be ubuntu internal only?)
[13:07] <fg__> ah okay
[13:07] <fg__> will it be on launchpad or in the pkg-zfs repo from zol?
[13:08] <cking> fg__, i'm waiting for <IP_ADDRESS> to land (hopefully in the next 24+ hours), then I'll get it all sorted out, cf: git://kernel.ubuntu.com/cking/pkg-zfs.git
[13:08] <cking> that's the debian packaging (out of date) and that's used on the pristine zfs tarballs when they get released
[13:09] <fg__> cool, thanks :)
[13:09] <cking> note, that git repo may change, it still is work-in-progress
[13:11] <fg__> I'll check it out, currently I'm using the master/debian/jessie one from zfsonlinux/pkg-zfs, but it's woefully out of date so I had to cherry-pick a lot of the more recent upstream changes
[13:12] <apw> cking, we prolly should push that to ~ubuntu-kernel or something ...
[13:12] <fg__> we are evaluating switching to ubuntu's zfs packaging since we are also preparing to switch to xenial's 4.4 kernel
[13:12] <cking> apw, yep, once I've got it sorted for <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:12] <apw> cking, i'll work with you to get that mirrored as well
[13:14] <cking> fg__, if you look at the xenial kernel source, you will find debian/scripts/misc/update-zfs.sh which is used to sync the src
[13:24] <fg__> cking: yeah, I already saw that.. but that is just for syncing the module sources from the dkms binary package, not for building/packaging the zfs user space stuff.
[13:25] <fg__> seems a bit cumbersome btw, that means you have to build the zfs packages and publish them to the archive before syncing the module source code and rebuilding the kernel?
[13:25] <cking> fg__, that script sync's the zfs and spl, so yes, no user space stuff
[13:26] <fg__> but I think I am set for now, thanks for your help
[13:26] <apw> fg__, we we can sync it from any build, so in principle we cna build it in a PPA
[13:27] <fg__> when the repo URL is final, will it be included in the .dsc for zfs-linux? then apt-get source would also spit out a warning with the correct repo information
[13:27] <cking> and that's what I do for test builds so I can ensure it all works
[13:27] <fg__> ah okay, missed that. makes sense :)
[13:31] <fg__> I know it's a bit early to ping, but I reported https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zfs-linux/+bug/1560869 earlier - would you be interested in backporting the async zvol minor operations patch from upstream? I have a backport/cherry-pick for the three relevant patches on top of <IP_ADDRESS> that seems to work fine afaict
[13:32] <fg__> the triggering setup is a bit artificial, but if you create and/or rename zvols in an automated fashion you're bound to run into it sooner or later
[14:23] <genkgo> jsalisbury: any success with backup on centos 7 with hyper v?
[15:22] <jsalisbury> genko, I haven't gotten around to test yet, but I plan on it today.
[15:22] <genkgo> jsalisbury: alright, was wondering, maybe there was something i could do to help
[15:24] <jsalisbury> genkgo, nothing yet, but I should know more soon
[15:24] <genkgo> aight, i'll join this channel more frequently to see if there is something i can do
[20:11] <genkgo> jsalisbury: how is the backup doing?
[20:30] <jsalisbury> genkgo, I have the reproduce script running now against CentOS.  It's been running for a couple of hours now without hitting the bug.  It sometimes takes up to 9 hours to trigger the bug, so it may take a little while.
[20:30] <jsalisbury> genkgo, I'm going to let it run overnight
[20:41] <genkgo> jsalisbury: thanks, i am really wondering if centos will be hitting the issue too. I hope not, because then we must be able to solve things!
[20:44] <lluki> hi
[20:45] <lluki> is there any chance that this bugfix (fix for some recent thinkpad touchpad issues) will be applied on the 16.04 kernel? https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114321
[20:55] <lluki> nevermind, i created a bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1561198
[21:52] <xnox> caribou, re:coredump package, yeah file direct with kernel team / apw to sort out and publish.
[22:57] <apw> caribou: say what now?


[00:04] <Rinchen> anyone here work on FCM? the link on the website is bad
[00:04] <Rinchen> points to a 404 for http://dl.fullcirclemagazine.org/issue17_en.pdf
[00:04] <tyche> it's WORSE than bad.  Go to the downloads page, and both issues 16 and 17 are not listed.
[00:06] <Rinchen> excellent
[00:06] <Rinchen> :-)
[00:06] <Rinchen> I'm sure he'll have it fixed shortly
[00:06] <tyche> I cheated.  I looked.
[00:06] <tyche> Hee hee
[00:07] <tyche> So, who's in charge of the Fridge calendar (yep.  THAT one came up again.  I'm tired of having to go between Google and Fridge, all the time, to correct the upcoming meetings list)
[00:08] <Rinchen> unfortunately, nobody
[00:08] <Rinchen> I am working on the code upgrade though
[00:08] <Rinchen> I might have someone available on MOnday to do it
[00:09] <Rinchen> as in, upgrade on a test machine and do it
[00:09] <tyche> Is there a way to at least get the fridge to acknowledge recurring meetings?
[00:09] <Rinchen> not that I know of.  You need the event repeat module
[00:09] <tyche> Understood "test machine".
[00:09] <Rinchen> the one for our version has security holes
[00:09] <Rinchen> the one for the latest version of drupal is being rewritten with no ETA
[00:09] <tyche> Can the version be upgraded?
[00:09] <tyche> Ah.
[00:10] <nhandler> If there are any Full Circle webmasters here, it appears that the download links are not working. This should probably be fixed asap, especially since the email about the latest issue has been sent out.
[00:10] <tyche> Hmmm.  That's funny.  seems like I just saw something like that in here, a minute ago.  Hee hee
[00:10] <tyche> nhandler: No, I'm not picking on you.  It was before you joined.
[00:11] <tyche> Rinchen came in looking for someone on it, too.
[00:11] <nhandler> No problem tyche. I just wanted to make sure that someone was aware of the issue.
[00:11] <Rinchen> well, I'm kinda always here :-)
[00:12] <tyche> I know the feeling.  I've got 5 channels open all the time.  And this and #ubuntu-us-az are the 2 main ones.
[01:36] <tyche> YIPPIE!!!!   FCM finally has a valid link!


[00:21] <cjwatson> Laney: Did you have plans for dealing with haskell-platform?  7.4 -> 7.6 is a fairly big change, but it looks like the next upstream platform release is May, so we can't really wait
[00:25] <cjwatson> Laney: Maybe it's best to just not claim to provide the platform when we can't ...
[03:19] <ScottK> infinity or slangasek: If you're around ^^^ is a straightforward backport from upstream that it'd be nice to get in soonish.
[03:20] <infinity> ScottK: Will look when launchpad gets diffy with it.
[03:21] <ScottK> infinity: Thanks.  Diff can also be found at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdepim/diff/260 if you'd rather not wait.
[03:22] <infinity> ScottK: I don't trust reviewed branches to match packages. :P
[03:22] <infinity> (If I'm impatient, I could download and diff, but I'm in no rush)
[03:22] <ScottK> OK.
[03:30] <ScottK> Thanks.
[07:31] <seb128> hey release friends
[07:31] <seb128> could anyone review the indicator stack in the queue?
[07:31] <seb128> (I hoped it would have happened over night and be on today's iso but they are still sitting in there :-()
[08:07] <Laney> cjwatson: I think that could go away and be backported when it appears if we don't see release candidates from upstream
[08:07] <Laney> https://github.com/haskell/haskell-platform/blob/master/haskell-platform.cabal
[08:08] <Laney> impressive effort debugging btw
[08:12] <seb128> Laney, \o/
[08:14] <cjwatson> hmph, not good enough yet to get haskell-conduit/armhf building :-/
[08:14] <cjwatson> ### Error in Data/Conduit.hs:8: expression `runResourceT $ sourceFile "input.txt" $$ sinkFile "output.txt"'
[08:14] <cjwatson> fd:11: hGetLine: end of file
[08:14] <cjwatson> doctests: fd:10: hClose: resource vanished (Broken pipe)
[08:14] <cjwatson> Test suite doctests: FAIL
[08:14] <cjwatson> which at least is different ...
[08:18] <seb128> whoever is reviewing indicators, thanks ;-)
[08:25] <slangasek> seb128: do you know what the story is with 'friends'?  It's an autolanded package with no bugs mentioned at all in the changelog; I'm not confident this is really meant to be going in post-freeze
[08:26] <seb128> slangasek, look at https://code.launchpad.net/~super-friends/friends/trunk
[08:26] <seb128> slangasek, you have the commits between the bot tags
[08:27] <seb128> slangasek, I assume that all the stuff autolanding are landing from the right (stable) vcs
[08:31] <slangasek> seb128: so why did we not get useful changelog entries?
[08:33] <slangasek> these autoland branches are already a pain wrt queue reviews, without me having to hunt down branches besides
[08:33] <slangasek> and really, the commit messages there aren't any more enlightening - I don't see why these are freeze-appropriate changes, it looks like a refactor with no justification given
[08:34] <slangasek> robru: ^^ these seem to be your changes, perhaps you could comment why this should go into raring this late in the cycle?
[08:34] <Laney> You get a changelog entry if the branch is linked to a bug, AIUI. I've previously argued that it should fall back the commit message rather than insert no message, but I didn't win that one.
[08:35] <slangasek> hmph
[08:35] <slangasek> seb128: anyway, all done except for friends
[08:35] <seb128> slangasek, you have 2 options to get a changelog entry
[08:35] <seb128> - edit the changelog with your commit
[08:35] <seb128> - link to a bug
[08:35] <seb128> (either with commit --fixes or by adding a bug reference like (lp: #...)
[08:36] <Daviey> it does seem crackful to maintain a changelog file, for something which is stored in VCS and built automatically.. but what do i know :)
[08:36] <seb128> slangasek, but I agree, that commit/update seems like weakly justified
[08:36] <seb128> it's more a problem with the person who did the commit that with the system though
[08:36] <seb128> slangasek, thanks for reviewing the other ones!
[08:37] <seb128> Laney, issue with "fall back to commit message" is that if your project has translation commits you could end up with 15 "updated translations" entries in the changelog
[08:37] <seb128> and nothing else
[08:37] <slangasek> Daviey: I don't care how the information in the changelog is generated, I just insist that there should be some - in this case it seems the missing changelog is caused by them not being bugfixes
[08:37] <seb128> which is not the end of the world, but suboptimal as well
[08:38] <Daviey> seb128: I thought the recommended way of handling translations was having LP commit to a separate branch, and a single merge commit - when it is suitable for the maintainer of trunk?
[08:39] <didrocks> thanks slangasek for looking at them ;)
[08:39] <didrocks> Laney: see what seb128's told. If you have any commit message, I think this is making a lot of noise for nothing
[08:39] <xnox> seb128: I remember writting hooks that strip "translation commits" but leave the rest in.
[08:39] <didrocks> Laney: but I'm happy to revisit this decision if needed at the sprint/UDS
[08:40] <seb128> Daviey, I'm not sure what's the "recommended" way, but see e.g http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lightdm-team/lightdm/trunk/changes/1572?start_revid=1632
[08:40] <slangasek> didrocks: hey, just trying to clear the deck for my compiz fix to land ;)
[08:40] <seb128> Daviey, 1/3 of that page is "Launchpad automatic translations update."
[08:40] <didrocks> slangasek: ahah, it was interested ;)
[08:40] <infinity> didrocks: Some commits may be "noise" (like "fixed typo from previous commit" or whatever), but there must be a clever way to tag "I want this commit message in the changelog" that isn't always "it must be a bug reference".
[08:40] <didrocks> slangasek: however, the integration tests for the unity stack failed today. I think mterry will have a look once around
[08:40] <seb128> infinity, you can manually add it to the changelog
[08:41] <infinity> didrocks: Cause "I fixed this nasty bug or addeed this cool new feature before anyone noticed or asked for it" is pretty valid for a changelog. :P
[08:41] <infinity> seb128: Okay, but I suspect that feels like duplicate effort, which is why it's not happening.
[08:41] <didrocks> infinity: yeah, what seb128 told, that's why you can reference directly to the changelog
[08:42] <seb128> infinity, suggesting of smarter way to flag commits as "should show in the changelog" are welcome I guess ;-)
[08:42] <didrocks> infinity: I doubt that they will use a tag if they don't care about linking to a bug or adding a changelog entry TBH
[08:42] <seb128> we could add tags in the commit message
[08:42] <seb128> but that would be weird
[08:42] <slangasek> didrocks: bah, thwarted at every turn
[08:42] <seb128> that would add "noise" in the history log
[08:42] <infinity> Works for the kernel team.
[08:42] <Laney> that's what git-dch has you do
[08:42] <slangasek> didrocks: oh that reminds me, why is compiz's test suite not run at package build time?
[08:44] <didrocks> slangasek: probably a leftover of when it didn't run without X (they didn't separate that part). I'll just have a try in a pbuilder right now
[08:44] <slangasek> didrocks: ah, ok.  I'm pretty sure it doesn't need X now, it was running fine for me here
[08:44] <didrocks> slangasek: great, let me have a try quickly ;)
[08:45] <didrocks> well quickly == as fast as compiz will build ;)
[08:46] <Daviey> seb128: Just tried to find where it is documented, and the only references i can find from an official source is because of it's forceful overwriting - which seems weak.
[08:47] <didrocks> Laney: infinity: let's discuss that during the sprint, having upstream on board and knowing why they don't do dch -i or link to a bug report will be useful
[08:47] <didrocks> Laney: infinity: and seeing if another workflow will be easer for them to respect for important changes
[08:47] <didrocks> Laney: infinity: btw, I wrote that and linked them to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DailyRelease/FAQ#My_name_deserves_to_be_in_the_changelog.21 a while ago
[08:48] <Laney> Sure. I just see empty changelogs fairly often and it's something that I'd like to work to avoid. I know that the process is supposed to block if this happens, but that doesn't always seem to work for whatever reason. :)
[08:48] <cjwatson> Another suggestion: fall back to commit message, but have a way to tag commits as not to be included in the changelog (e.g. "[SILENT]" in the commit message or something)
[08:49] <didrocks> cjwatson: ah, so on by default and off on demand?
[08:49] <cjwatson> Yeah
[08:49] <didrocks> cjwatson: TBH, we tried tag to UNBLOCK merge when being in a freeze a year ago
[08:49] <Laney> Right, with git-dch you put Git-Dch: Ignore in your changelog and it's skipped
[08:49] <didrocks> and most of the time, they forgot to add it
[08:49] <cjwatson> Seems like that would address the "too much noise" problem in the case where it actually bothers people
[08:49] <didrocks> I'm afraid the same thing will happen in a commit
[08:50] <cjwatson> You could for example turn it off centrally for translation processing
[08:50] <infinity> If a trivial commit slips into the changelog, that's not world-ending.
[08:50] <infinity> The inverse is annoying.
[08:50] <Laney> not that it's the end of the world if a few extra entries are added
[08:50] <Laney> ha
[08:50] <didrocks> we can maybe try that, I want first to talk with them about it
[08:51] <didrocks> and see what's the best way to get in
[08:51] <Laney> That or have the merger reject stuff if it's got no commit message
[08:51] <infinity> *nod*
[08:51] <didrocks> Laney: it's already the case
[08:51]  * infinity decides to find a bed.
[08:51] <didrocks> infinity: have a good night :)
[08:52] <Laney> ah, this one was a direct commit to the trunk branch
[08:52] <Laney> is that what shouldn't be done?
[08:52] <infinity> Well, I was going to watch some TV before bed, but pulseaudio now hates me.
[08:52] <didrocks> slangasek: how did you run the tests? I'm getting:
[08:52] <didrocks> /usr/bin/ctest --force-new-ctest-process -j1
[08:52] <didrocks> Test project /tmp/buildd/compiz-0.9.9~daily13.02.28/obj-x86_64-linux-gnu
[08:52] <didrocks> No tests were found!!!
[08:52] <didrocks> Laney: it should never be done, right
[08:53] <Laney> iiiiiiiinteresting
[08:53] <didrocks> robru: kenvandine ^
[08:53] <slangasek> didrocks: ah, did you add the missing build-dep on libxorg-gtest-dev?
[08:53] <slangasek> didrocks: (and enable it in the configure arguments?)
[08:53] <didrocks> slangasek: yeah, it's installed
[08:53] <didrocks> ah, there is a enabling
[08:53] <didrocks> ok, found it
[09:04] <didrocks> slangasek: hum, tests enabled, but nothing. I need to look closer when I've time for it
[13:01] <apw> infinity, ^^ is the ftbfs fix for the config issue you spotted, process changed to cover for next time
[14:08] <kenvandine> didrocks, slangasek: i'll make sure merges get rejected without changelog entries or bug references, sorry about that
[14:08] <kenvandine> slangasek, those fixes are pretty important
[14:28] <xnox> kenvandine: didrocks: maybe jenkins should reject branches without bug/ref and/or comments in debian/changelog for "stable" branches (post FFe & for SRU)
[14:42] <kenvandine> xnox, didrocks i'd be fine with that
[14:43] <Laney> didrocks said earlier that it does that
[14:43] <Laney> but this was a direct commit to trunk so no merger was involved
[14:49] <kenvandine> humm.. the fixes i cared about weren't directly committed, but maybe there was some fix direct to trunk
[14:49] <kenvandine> oh, last night
[14:50] <kenvandine> robru pushed the fix for python compatibility for quantal directly to trunk..
[14:51] <kenvandine> ohhhhh.... he's been merging himself after the branches get reviewed
[14:51] <kenvandine> instead of waiting for the merger...
[14:51] <seb128> Laney, no, the merge reject merge requests without a commit message
[14:51] <kenvandine> robru, lets not do that :)
[14:51] <seb128> Laney, there is no requirement for bug reference or debian/changelog entry
[14:51] <seb128> oh maybe I'm wrong
[14:51] <kenvandine> indeed, so that wouldn't help here
[14:52] <kenvandine> i don't think there is anything that rejects without the changelog entry
[14:52] <seb128> right, what I though
[14:52] <Laney> ah ok, well that would be useful then
[14:52] <kenvandine> i've seen plenty of those uploaded with just a snapshot entry
[14:52] <didrocks> kenvandine: it's because upstream is not respecting the deal: for things important, it's either a bug linked or a direct changelog update
[14:52] <Laney> some other merger we have definitely does do that
[14:53] <didrocks> kenvandine: I don't think you want to have every commits listed
[14:53] <Laney> I've had to go back and set commit message before before a merge would be done by a bot
[14:53] <didrocks> and I'm not talking about a feature being merged with hundreds of commits :)
[14:53] <kenvandine> didrocks, then it's hard to decide when there should be something listed
[14:53] <didrocks> Laney: yeah, this is the commit message for bzr
[14:53] <Laney> I mean one on the MP
[14:53] <Laney> which is probably the right level to do it at?
[14:53] <kenvandine> these were all small bug fixes
[14:53] <didrocks> kenvandine: you would prefer to have everything listed?
[14:53] <kenvandine> but not LP bugs for them
[14:54] <Laney> anyway, back to what we said would be a topic for the sprint :P
[14:54] <kenvandine> so the issue is when it is optional,  it'll often get left out
[14:54] <kenvandine> i know our upstreams :)
[14:55] <kenvandine> i do really want the friends update that is in the queue to get through, fixes the dee cache :)
[14:56] <kenvandine> didrocks, i just don't like uploads to the archive with a one line changelog entry  " * Automatic snapshot from revision 179"
[14:58] <Laney> is there a convenient way to fetch the source of copies in the queue? queue can't do it.
[14:59] <cjwatson> Might be worth just teaching queue how
[14:59]  * Laney nods
[14:59] <didrocks> kenvandine: well, that's because of upstream basically, it's like "I don't like upstream not following our guidelines" :)
[14:59] <didrocks> kenvandine: you should lead by example and not have that on friends for instance :p
[14:59] <kenvandine> yeah... i know :)
[14:59] <kenvandine> but you know... none of those were my changes :)
[15:00] <kenvandine> but i did review them... i should have rejected :)
[15:02] <didrocks> right, we have 2 people to ack the change :)
[15:02] <didrocks> I can add the commit message when no bugs is linked
[15:02] <didrocks> but I want upstream to agree first
[15:03] <didrocks> let's see during the sprint
[15:03] <kenvandine> ok
[15:40] <doko> finally, cython didn't fail for random reasons on armhf ...
[16:23] <ScottK> Laney: dgetlp mostly works if you have the path to othe .dsc.
[16:23] <Laney> ScottK: Yep, but that's the other side of 'convenient' to me.
[16:23] <ScottK> Sure.
[16:24] <Laney> Apparently package_upload objects which are copies don't have a reference to the originating archive
[16:26] <ScottK> Apparently adding branding is a bug fix (ngnix)
[16:26] <ScottK> err nginx
[16:28] <Laney> Bug: there is no branding
[16:28] <Laney> Fix: add branding
[16:28] <kenvandine> hehe
[16:28] <ScottK> I don't think adding (Ubuntu) to the version string for a web server is a great idea.  I'm going to reject it.
[16:35] <jbicha> ScottK: apache on Ubuntu has done that for quite a while, see http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/404 for instance
[16:36] <ScottK> Right, but there are also some significant differences in Debian/Ubuntu on where data files are located and such for Apache, so it's actually relevant to know for troubleshooting.
[16:36] <ScottK> I don't think that's true for nginx, but whatever.
[16:36] <ScottK> If Daviey wants it, he can accept it.
[16:42] <rtg_> infinity, cjwatson: please accept Raring linux-meta with Highbank Q->R upgrade fixes. Vanhoof has the wherewithal to test.
[17:14] <antarus> all hail cjwatson !
[17:44] <dobey> can i bug anyone to look at a couple of UIFe requests please?
[17:45] <infinity> ScottK: Differences between Debian and Ubuntu apache packaging?  Back when I maintained it, the only difference was the branding. :P
[17:46] <ScottK> infinity: Sorry.  I meant Debian/Ubuntu different from the rest of the world, not from each other.
[17:46] <infinity> (And the point of the branding is entirely to hint people who like to do silly "which OS is more popular" statistics gathering).
[17:46] <slangasek> dobey: bugs numbers?
[17:46] <ScottK> infinity: I won't object if someone wants to accept it from rejected.
[17:46] <dobey> slangasek: bug #1151621 and bug #1166356
[17:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1151621 in Ubuntu Software Center stable-5-6 "[UIFe] TypeError when opening edit menu" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1151621
[17:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1166356 in rhythmbox-ubuntuone (Ubuntu Quantal) "[UIFe] Old music store interface going away on server" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1166356
[18:13] <hallyn> is now a bad time to push a small lxc fix for bug 1166870?
[18:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1166870 in lxc (Ubuntu) "lxc-clone fails silently" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1166870
[18:17] <hallyn> (FinalBetaFreeze link on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseSchedule leads to nonexistant wiki page0
[18:18] <hallyn> oh, should final beta freeze be taken out of topic, as final beta release should have happened?
[18:19] <slangasek> hallyn: done
[18:19] <hallyn> slangasek: so i guess that's a no about uploading lxc? :)
[18:20] <slangasek> hallyn: "frozen" in the sense of "gated", not "immobile"
[18:20] <slangasek> bugfix uploads are still accepted
[18:20] <hallyn> ok thx
[18:27] <slangasek> dobey: I don't understand from bug #1151621 what you're requesting a UIFe on
[18:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1151621 in Ubuntu Software Center stable-5-6 "[UIFe] TypeError when opening edit menu" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1151621
[18:28] <slangasek> dobey: UI Freeze governs changes to text strings and window layout that would invalidate documentation, translations, screenshots - fixing a UI bug doesn't need a UIFe
[18:29] <infinity> Well, introducing a UI bug to work around a crash.  But yeah.
[18:29] <infinity> If there are screenshots of people pulling down the Edit menu in software-center, I'd be surprised.
[18:30] <dobey> slangasek: i don't know if it breaks any docs or not. hence the request for a UIFe for people who own docs/translations to say that it doesn't.
[18:31] <dobey> slangasek: my understanding was that all UI changes needed to request freeze exceptions at this point
[18:31] <slangasek> dobey: and bug #1166356 seems to be about an SRU rather than an upload to raring that needs a UIFe?  You've marked the raring task 'fix released'
[18:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1166356 in rhythmbox-ubuntuone (Ubuntu Quantal) "[UIFe] Old music store interface going away on server" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1166356
[18:31] <dobey> slangasek: yes, the new version is raring, i want to SRU the new version to quantal/precise
[18:31] <slangasek> dobey: well, you haven't given any information in that bug to /tell/ the docs people what's changing that might impact them
[18:32] <slangasek> I don't see how a crash fix has any impact on docs
[18:32] <dobey> slangasek: because generally docs tend to document the UI, the edit menu of which is one aspect of said UI
[18:33] <infinity> dobey: I appreciate that you're being careful and cautious here.  In this case, probably a bit too much so, that's all. :)
[18:33] <infinity> dobey: If we have application specific docs that tell users all the ways to copy/paste, those docs are probably wrong. :P
[18:33] <slangasek> dobey: ok, on reread I see that the question is about removing one of the menu entries - right, that's reasonable
[18:33] <slangasek> dobey: UIFe approved
[18:34] <dobey> thanks
[18:34] <dobey> and the rhythmbox-ubuntuone one is about removing the UI on quantal/precise as well (it's already gone in raring)
[18:34] <slangasek> dobey: yeah, I think that's fine.. invalidating any screenshots of a UI that needs to go away is the lesser evil
[18:35] <dobey> yeah, i suppose we'll need to drop the screenshot from the 12.04 installer for the next point release
[18:35] <dobey> should i add ubiquity to that bug report?
[18:38] <slangasek> dobey: if there's a screenshot of this in the installer, it'd be in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
[18:38] <dobey> ok
[21:01] <slangasek> balloons, tjaalton; tjaalton, balloons
[21:02] <tjaalton> balloons: yo
[21:02] <tjaalton> balloons: so, I'd need more people to test a new mesa release
[21:02] <tjaalton> which has a FFE bug open
[21:05] <tjaalton> balloons: I sent a CFT to ubuntu-devel@ last friday, but it didn't attract that many people, or they are shy to report success/failure to LP
[21:08] <balloons> tjaalton, hello :-)
[21:08] <balloons> we can certainly organize something for you
[21:09] <tjaalton> balloons: so it's for raring, and available on ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-staging
[21:11] <slangasek> balloons: basically, I've told tjaalton just now on #ubuntu-devel that I'm not comfortable accepting mesa in as a freeze exception without some wider testing; do you think it's realistic to gather info on it by next Tue at the latest?
[21:11] <slangasek> we would need assurance that a wide assortment of GPUs still work without regression
[21:12] <slangasek> I would say we'd want evidence from at least 4 different GPU flavors in each of the three families
[21:12] <tjaalton> something like that
[21:12] <balloons> slangasek, we can try -- now is a quite busy time of course, but a week should be enough time to get people testing. 4 different gpu flavors from each of intel, amd, and nvidia yes?
[21:12] <tjaalton> we already have piglit testing done
[21:12] <slangasek> balloons: yse
[21:12] <slangasek> yes
[21:12] <balloons> has this gone into the lab?
[21:13] <balloons> that's your best bet at the moment to get specific testing on different gpus
[21:13] <slangasek> plus some specific spot-checking for regressions on ARM (LLVM?), and spot-checking that it doesn't regress anything in combination with the binary drivers
[21:13] <tjaalton> nope
[21:13] <tjaalton> llvm is still a no-go
[21:13] <tjaalton> on arm
[21:13] <balloons> arm is broken..
[21:13] <balloons> :-(
[21:14] <ogra_> arm image should be fine again and you can at least test swrast
[21:14] <balloons> ogra_, did you fix it?
[21:14] <balloons> maybe I wasn't subbed on the bug, i didn't see anything about a fix
[21:15] <ogra_> nope, mlankhorst did
[21:15] <ogra_> you mean the "black screen after install" one, right ?
[21:15] <balloons> yes
[21:15] <ogra_> yup, a fix went in for that one
[21:16] <slangasek> tjaalton: well, llvm is "too slow to be worth anything for unity" on ARM because it's not ported to NEON... but someone should check in some capacity that LLVM isn't broken
[21:16] <ogra_> bug 1161981
[21:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1161981 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "Boot stalls after Ubuntu Raring desktop ARM (Panda board) install" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1161981
[21:16] <slangasek> maybe just an x86 VM test?
[21:16] <ogra_> balloons, ^^^
[21:16] <ogra_> went in yesterday ... should be fine on todays images
[21:16] <balloons> ogra_, ty.. must not have subbed :-)
[21:16] <tjaalton> slangasek: sure thing
[21:17] <tjaalton> I have a speedy panda for it..
[21:17] <ogra_> heh
[21:17] <ogra_> speedy ...
[21:17]  * ogra_ pets his chromebook
[21:17] <tjaalton> and nexus7 of course
[21:17] <ogra_> yeah, thats for the binary drivers :)
[21:18] <slangasek> so
[21:18] <slangasek> tjaalton: that sound like enough testing to you? :)
[21:18] <tjaalton> slangasek: yeah
[21:19] <balloons> ok, so I missed the response.. Has this been run in the lab tjaalton ?
[21:19] <tjaalton> balloons: nope
[21:22] <balloons> tjaalton, ok, so let's make that happen.. that will be the best thing to do to make sure it passes Steve's feel good test.. and after all you need him to feel good ;-)
[21:22] <balloons> alongside we'll pull community results to
[21:23] <tjaalton> sounds like a plan :)
[21:23] <slangasek> is the lab testing something we should be doing more systematically wrt mesa uploads?
[21:23] <slangasek> seems like a good candidate package for "critical ppa" pre-acceptance testing
[21:24] <slangasek> to at least give you X guys solid data about any possible regressions
[21:25] <balloons> slangasek, I think that's something worth chatting with the qa team about.
[21:25] <tjaalton> yeah
[21:26] <balloons> have them track the xorg-edgers crack ppa or something :-)
[21:26] <slangasek> this is indeed something that should happen
[21:26] <balloons> where's the ffe link btw?
[21:26] <slangasek> I'm surprised that's not already a priority for the lab, but I guess unity regression-testing is more critical
[21:26] <tjaalton> hmm actually there's a graphics test suite of some sorts they should be running when certifying new platforms
[21:26] <tjaalton> or is this the same lab we're talking about?
[21:27] <tjaalton> balloons: https://launchpad.net/bugs/1164093
[21:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1164093 in mesa (Ubuntu) "FFe: new upstream release 9.1.1" [Wishlist,Triaged]
[21:27] <slangasek> tjaalton: different lab
[21:27] <tjaalton> ah
[21:44] <tjaalton> one thing I know the new version fixes is user-switching no longer hangs compiz on intel, like it sometimes does on mesa 9.0.x :)
[22:24] <slangasek> cyphermox_: huh, so this nm upload only changes the test suite?
[22:24] <slangasek> I guess that's a pretty safe change
[23:35] <cyphermox_> slangasek: yeah, only adds tests