[00:54] <storrgie> How do I do multiple firefox instances with unity?
[00:54] <storrgie> it seems to only want me to have one
[01:04] <hyperair> i think if you middle click the icon it'll launch another instnace
[01:05] <hyperair> firefox also has a ctrl+n button you can use
[01:05] <ion> That’s just multiple windows.
[01:06] <ion> The last time i checked Firefox didn’t seem to support multiple instances at all.  But neither did, say, Gnome.
[01:10] <hyperair> well i'm assuming that's what he meant by multiple instances.
[01:11] <ion> Unity-2D doesn’t seem to do anything when i middle-click a launcher button.
[01:23] <bcurtiswx> jono, re: new icons.  I don't know if it makes a difference, but empathy's new icons are in 2.91.X and we'll see them in OO. AFAIK
[01:24] <jono> bcurtiswx, cool
[01:24] <bcurtiswx> jono, wasn't sure if the others are the same or not
[08:01] <MacSlow> greetings everybody
[08:05] <oSoMoN> good morning
[08:18] <didrocks> good morning
[08:31] <htorque> good morning, everyone! what's currently the right way to disable the global menu in unity? still UBUNTU_MENUPROXY= <application>?
[08:33] <didrocks> htorque: hey!
[08:33] <didrocks> htorque: yeah
[08:33] <didrocks> just unset the variable
[08:34] <htorque> didrocks, interesting, because that doesn't work for the latex editor Kile
[08:41] <didrocks> htorque: are you sure it doesn't fork or something like that? I'm not sure KDE qt application are using this variable. Something to ask to agateau
[08:42] <agateau> htorque: didrocks: Qt does not use this variable (surprisingly, it does not load gtk modules! :) )
[08:42] <htorque> didrocks, seems they don't. just tested it with the editor Kate and it eouldn't work there either.
[08:43] <agateau> htorque: didrocks: iirc the appmenu wiki page mentions the correct var
[08:44] <agateau> mmm it does not
[08:44]  * agateau fixes the wiki
[08:45] <agateau> htorque: QT_X11_NO_NATIVE_MENUBAR=1 myapp should do the job
[08:45] <htorque> agateau, great, that worked, thanks!
[08:45] <agateau> (htorque: and don't forget to report a bug if you find an app which is broken with appmenu)
[08:45] <htorque> agateau, that was the next thing on my list ;)
[08:46] <agateau> htorque: good!
[08:46] <htorque> agateau, i forgot, which one was the right package for such bug reports?
[08:47] <agateau> htorque: appmenu-qt (sometimes the bug is in libdbusmenu-qt, but in this case I take care of reassigning)
[08:47] <htorque> agateau, good, thanks again
[15:06] <czajkowski> kenvandine: I have a wee problem with Gwibber being a tad special today. upgraded work machine to natty. No tweets, tried to stop and restart stuff, and now gwibber is crashing  https://bugs.launchpad.net/gwibber/+bug/724918/comments/4
[15:08] <kenvandine> czajkowski, can you get me a traceback from the gwibber-service?
[15:08] <kenvandine> killall gwibber gwibber-service
[15:08] <kenvandine> gwibber-service -d -o
[15:20] <czajkowski> czajkowski@Penny:~$ gwibber-service -d -o
[15:20] <czajkowski> Found gwibber-service already running, exiting
[15:20] <kenvandine> killall gwibber gwibber-service
[15:20] <kenvandine> then run it
[15:20] <kenvandine> oh... maybe it isn't dieing
[15:21] <czajkowski> aye I did the kill all
[15:21] <kenvandine> killall -9 gwibber gwibber-service
[15:21] <czajkowski> ahh that killed it
[15:22] <czajkowski> saying my accounts need to be reauthorised
[15:22] <czajkowski> loads and then crashes again
[15:23] <czajkowski> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gwibber/+bug/744997
[15:23] <coz_>   hey guys
[16:38] <rodrigo_> njpatel, didrocks: can I get a 2nd approval for https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/unity/fix-740360/+merge/55319 ?
[16:40] <njpatel> rodrigo_, +!
[16:40] <njpatel> +1
[16:40] <njpatel> even
[16:40] <rodrigo_> njpatel, ok thanks
[16:49] <tedg> Cimi, When we're making something insensitive should we blend with white or the background color in the theme?  https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/indicator-datetime/bevel+utc/+merge/54684
[16:50] <mterry> tedg, good point, probably background
[16:55] <tedg> mterry, Yeah, I was asking Cimi as I thought he might know how other people handle it.
[16:55] <tedg> mterry, It seems like the background color is the best we have.
[16:56] <mterry> tedg, alright, I'll look into patching it
[17:00] <Cimi> tedg: what's that?
[17:00] <Cimi> what's this cairo drawing
[17:02] <Cimi> tedg: and static colors are always wrong
[17:02] <Cimi> tedg: so you should pick the right one
[17:02] <tedg> Cimi, This is a custom widget
[17:02] <tedg> Cimi, We want it to "look insensitive" when it is.
[17:02] <tedg> Cimi, The idea was to dim it slightly.
[17:03] <Cimi> tedg: please don't mess with UI without asking me
[17:03] <tedg> Cimi, ?
[17:03] <Cimi> tedg: I will take care with the approval with Otto
[17:03] <tedg> Cimi, There is no approval with Otto here.
[17:03] <Cimi> tedg: I'm in charge of controlling the style guidelines
[17:04] <Cimi> tedg: so, if you're doing a cusstom widget/whatever, poke me before
[17:04] <Cimi> tedg: so we are sure to do it correctly and compatible with radiance/ambiance and other themes as well
[17:04] <Cimi> (High Contrast too)
[17:05] <Cimi> a fill with pure white seems an issue
[17:05] <tedg> Cimi, Frankly, that's impractical.  But, I'd your advice on this question.  What color do you think should be used?
[17:05] <Cimi> tedg: for what?
[17:05] <tedg> Cimi, To dim the map.
[17:05] <Cimi> I repeat, I'd like to see the widget to tell you
[17:05] <tedg> Cimi, Okay, go to datetime, pull up the settings.
[17:05] <Cimi> tedg: I would say
[17:05] <Cimi> base[INSENSITIVE] or bg[INSENSITIVE]
[17:06] <Cimi> LET ME SEE
[17:06] <Cimi> ops :D
[17:06] <Cimi> one second tedg
[17:06] <Cimi> tedg: does the color of the map change?
[17:06] <tedg> Cimi, No, they're PNGs
[17:06] <Cimi> tedg: ok, so white sounds ok
[17:07] <Cimi> tedg: we just don't care
[17:07] <Cimi> tedg: I would say again bg[INSENSITIVE]
[17:07] <tedg> Cimi, Won't that look odd in a dark theme?
[17:07] <Cimi> tedg: or maybe bg[NORMAL]
[17:07] <tedg> Yeah, I think bg[INSENSITIVE] makes the most sense.
[17:08] <Cimi> tedg: either insensitive or normal
[17:08] <Cimi> normal could be good as it blends with the borders around the picture
[17:08] <tedg> Cimi, Which would you prefer?
[17:08] <Cimi> ops, with the frame around
[17:09] <Cimi> tedg: I would say bg normal just for this reason
[17:09] <Cimi> what do you think?
[17:09] <Cimi> if your goal is to make the png dimmed
[17:10] <Cimi> tedg: though I would desaturate it a bit or make it transparent
[17:10] <Cimi> instead covering it
[17:10] <Cimi> or a combo
[17:11] <Cimi> tedg: anyway I know that poking me could slow down things, but it's better to slow down now than fixing visual bugs in the future :)
[17:12] <Cimi> tedg: also, what happened to my branch proposed for indicator-messages with the updated bubbles and text?
[17:12] <tedg> Cimi, It was crashing indicator messages, like I replied on the merge request.
[17:14] <Cimi> tedg: let me catch it
[17:15] <mterry> tedg, branch updated to use background color
[17:15] <tedg> mterry, Great, thanks!
[17:40] <cimi_> tedg: I've updated the patch
[17:41] <tedg> cimi_, Sweet!
[17:41] <cimi_> tedg: https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/indicator-messages/update-fixes-to-right-label-and-icon-dimension/+merge/55377
[17:41] <cimi_> ubot5: you're stupid
[17:43] <tedg> cimi_: What happened to all the old revisions?
[17:43] <Cimi> tedg: I've created a new branch
[17:44] <tedg> cimi, Still, where are the older revisions?  Did you merge them in?
[17:44] <Cimi> yes
[17:51] <tedg> Cimi, I'm unclear on what you fixed in the lp:~cimi/indicator-messages/fixes-to-right-label-and-icon-dimension to branch to make it stop crashing.  Can you highlight that for me?
[17:52] <Cimi> tedg: it was not crashing before
[17:52] <Cimi> tedg: was your own branch maybe
[17:52] <Cimi> I just updated it to trunk and using gvariant
[17:53] <Cimi> tedg: I've just grabbed a clean version from trunk, applied that, installed... works
[17:53] <tedg> Cimi, Uhm.  It crashes in time, what did you do to test?
[17:53] <Cimi> tedg: I've tested with empathy, gwibber, evolution
[17:53] <Cimi> tedg: where does it crash for you?
[17:53] <Cimi> do you have a reproduciable case? a bt?
[17:53] <tedg> Cimi, After about an hour or two of use.
[17:54] <tedg> Cimi, Nope.
[17:54] <Cimi> tedg: ok, let's keep it opened
[17:54] <tedg> Cimi, I think that I commented to that extent on the merge request.
[17:54] <Cimi> no iirc tedg
[18:14] <Cimi> tedg: you didn't say anything about any issue in the previous merge request
[18:14] <Cimi> tedg: just a general "messaging menu gets corrupted every so often"
[18:15] <Cimi> tedg: I'm not experiencing any of this, could you please try my branch again in a clean installation?
[18:15] <Cimi> tedg: here was working fine, and is working fine
[18:15] <Cimi> tedg: I can't reproduce your issues at all, and the code seems quite ok
[18:20] <tedg> Cimi, Okay, so why don't your run that version for a couple of days and get back to me.  It's going to be on the order of hours.  I'd also recommend running liferea, as it hits the menu pretty hard.
[18:20] <Cimi> tedg: ok I am running it
[18:26] <Cimi> tedg: what kind of corruption did you have?
[18:26] <tedg> Cimi, The menu lost all it's entries.  And other menus would as well.
[18:26] <tedg> Cimi, Probably a stray pointer of some such.
[18:27] <Cimi> could be, i bet the font dimensioin tedg
[18:27] <Cimi> AndreaAzzarone: would you mind fixing a bug for ayatana-scrollbars? :)
[18:28] <AndreaAzzarone> cimi, telle me! :)
[18:28] <AndreaAzzarone> *tell
[18:29] <Cimi> AndreaAzzarone: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-scrollbar/+bug/736992
[18:29] <Cimi> AndreaAzzarone: should be trivial to fix, we need to deal with dimensions
[18:30] <Cimi> like translating absolute coordinates (whole screen) into relative dimensions
[18:30] <Cimi> (per monitor)
[18:31] <AndreaAzzarone> Cimi, there is already a branch... lp:~bilalakhtar/ayatana-scrollbar/fix-736992
[18:31] <Cimi> AndreaAzzarone: broken
[18:32] <Cimi> AndreaAzzarone: that branch does nothing
[18:32] <AndreaAzzarone> Cimi, ok i will look to that!
[18:32] <Cimi> gord: ^^
[18:33] <Cimi> AndreaAzzarone: grande!
[18:33] <AndreaAzzarone> Cimi, :)
[18:36] <AndreaAzzarone> Cimi, There is an expiry date? Because i don't know if i can fix today! :(
[18:36] <Cimi> AndreaAzzarone: when you want, better before thursday
[18:37] <Cimi> AndreaAzzarone: otherwise next thursday
[18:37] <AndreaAzzarone> Cimi, thursday should be ok!
[18:37] <Cimi> awesome
[19:47] <fta> smspillaz, yt?
[20:13] <Islington> how can I bother about mech in ubuntu store?
[20:13] <Islington> *merchandize
[21:39] <nhaines> Grr, I can't pull the Unity panel down to restore a maximized window today.  :(
[22:48] <coz_> hey all
[23:14] <hv> the shortcut key for the unity launcher behaves strange: <Super> is mapped to show-launcher, but even when I press <Super>Tab, the launcher shows up. It is as if the keys pressed very shortly after <Super> are being ignored.
[23:15] <hv> s/strange/strangely
[23:16] <nhaines> hv: Super-Tab no longer works for me as a window flippy deal.
[23:17] <hv> nhaines: maybe it is set to Alt-Tab for you?
[23:18] <nhaines> hv: that's just the standard window switcher for me.
[23:18] <hv> nhaines: I have to hold <Super>, pause a moment, and then pres Tab for it act properly.
[23:19] <nhaines> hv: in Ubuntu 10.10 (for example), it displays all windows and lets you "flip" through them with an animation.  So I presumed that maybe you were looking for that.
[23:19] <nhaines> hv: If you've remapped Alt-Tab to Super-Tab, then that's another issue.  :)
[23:20] <hv> nhaines: there are a bunch of switcher plugins for compiz, that one is called shift I guess.
[23:20] <hv> nhaines: even if I did that it should still work
[23:20] <nhaines> hv: I was just thinking that a default install of natty does not have anything mapped to Super-Tab.
[23:21] <nhaines> So if you've customized it, then yes it should work as you intend.
[23:21] <hv> nhaines: you can enable the shift plugin in gconf-editor if you want.
[23:25] <hv> nhaines: my the problem is with the [apparently] screwed up logic used for showing the launcher: When another shortcut key matches the launcher should not still show up. currently, the shortcut key you pressed (e.g. Super+W, if you pressed them fast enough) is acted upon and ADDITIONALLY the launcher show up!


[08:46] <croppa_> has there ever been a fix for the problem of loading the firmware on dvico fusion duel express tv cards?


[11:11] <jaddi27> sagaci, I am happy for the two translation teams to be combined
[11:11] <head_victim> jaddi27: have a preference for what team is a member of the other?
[11:12] <sagaci> I've just always thought that the ubuntu en_au team was the main one, (mainly due to membership) but it really doesn't bother me which is the parent, so to speak
[11:12] <jaddi27> Well, after just reading your email, I am not entirely sure
[11:13] <head_victim> Just trying to generate thoughts and conversation, I'm not always right just trying to think of all the options
[11:13] <jaddi27> what sagaci says makes sense, I think, but I can see what head_victim means
[11:14] <head_victim> Whoever gets made the member you just got to think of the permissions.
[11:14] <jaddi27> Is it possible to give people permission to translate one but not the other with just the one group?
[11:14] <sagaci> along, with membership, the idea that ubuntu packages are what we're generally aiming for (that's what we're here for), the repo main pkgs, whereas I see the Launchpad team taking the universe packages (ie. community)
[11:14] <head_victim> sagaci: there's also a lot of projects on launchpad that have nothing to do with Ubuntu
[11:15] <sagaci> but at the same time, if you don't want to translate into ubuntu, you don't have to, likewise muting certain mail
[11:17] <head_victim> Yeah, just trying to see the use case for making Launchpad the member of Ubuntu. To me it's not about which team has the most members but about what permissions you give the members by making one of them a member of the other.
[11:18] <sagaci> well for me, the whole reason for the team initially was to translate ubuntu projects that aren't in main
[11:20] <head_victim> Yeah, that's why the Ubuntu team should be a member of the Launchpad team. To allow Ubuntu members to translate all Ubuntu packages no matter whether they are main, universe or multiverse.
[11:20] <jaddi27> That would make sense
[11:20] <jaddi27> Is it possible to transfer the users of one group to another group?
[11:21] <head_victim> I don't think so without users manually doing it. The whole idea is if you want that you make one team a member of the other I think.
[11:22] <jaddi27> Ok. I didn't realise you could do that
[11:23] <sagaci> ah yep, so we'd be encouraging users to use the main Launchpad group to subscribe, so they can effectively do everything on launchpad, translation-wise
[11:23] <sagaci> ah wait, other way around
[11:23] <sagaci> subscribe to the ubuntu team to then get the benefits of LP's mailing list, membership and translation privs
[11:24] <head_victim> Depends on what they want to translate. If they want to translate anything Ubuntu, they should join the Ubuntu team, if they only want to translate unrelated Launchpad projects they should join the Launchpad team (assuming the Ubuntu team is a member of the Launchpad team)
[11:25] <sagaci> but they'd be still able to translate LP by subbing to the ubuntu team, since it's a sub-team, maybe?
[11:27] <head_victim> Ok, assuming the Ubuntu team is a member of the Launchpad team. This would mean Launchpad team members can translate Launchpad projects. Ubuntu translation members coudl translate everything Ubuntu as well as everything launchpad (as they would be a member of that team indirectly)
[11:27] <sagaci> yep
[11:27] <jaddi27> I think it would be useful to only have to join one team to do en_AU translations, as in the end, I think our goal is for software to be translated
[11:27] <jaddi27> So if head_victim's last comment works, that would be best
[11:28] <sagaci> so then, essentially, the next idea is to close/redirect the ubuntu en_AU mailing to the "parent" launchpad one
[11:28] <head_victim> jaddi27: basically you only have to join one team, if you want to translate Ubuntu you join it and you can do it all as well as LP, if you only want to translate other LP stuff you only join the LP team.
[11:28] <head_victim> That's the whole idea of making teams members of another team.
[11:28] <jaddi27> That sounds fine to me, head_victim
[11:29] <head_victim> I don't mind if it's not how it's foreseen I just can't see a use case for making the LP team a member of the Ubuntu team but I can for the other way around
[11:30] <jaddi27> sagaci, maybe redirect the ubuntu list to the launchpad list
[11:30] <sagaci> yeah, that's the way I'm thinking
[11:31] <jaddi27> I think that the ubuntu list is relatively new, so it should not affect many people
[11:32] <sagaci> it auto-added them
[11:32] <jaddi27> i was more meaning that there have not been many emails to it since you created it
[11:33] <sagaci> yes, I guess it's the nature of the team, work on what you'd like done, type of thing
[11:34] <head_victim> It's good to centralise resources though so people know where to turn when there are issues.
[11:36] <sagaci> yes and I'd argue that most if not all of the 12-or-so LP translators joined for the reason of working on universe/multiverse packages that eventually go into Ubuntu.
[11:37] <head_victim> sagaci: I agree wholeheartedly but I was purely looking at members permissions
[11:38] <sagaci> if the need arises to separate the two teams due to a wild intake of non-ubuntu-takers, then it's not too hard to reverse and resume having separate everythings
[11:39] <sagaci> member permissions, not sure what you mean by this, both team are Moderated
[11:41] <head_victim> Yes but making one a member of the other means one team gets the permissions of the other team
[11:44] <sagaci> but is that an inherently a bad idea
[11:45] <head_victim> It's an inherently complex idea :/ https://help.launchpad.net/Teams/CreatingAndRunning has a bit of information on it
[11:47] <bradm> having one team as a member of another is quite common in launchpad
[11:49] <sagaci> I think that may be the case for many teams but for a team as small and focused as the two l10n teams, we're just consolidating efforts for now until the need arises for change
[11:50] <head_victim> bradm: yep, just working out the finer points of the implications on permissions as to what team is a member of the other.
[11:50] <bradm> ah, you're talking about 2 l10n teams?  thats tricker
[11:51] <bradm> generally you do things like that by having the 2 seperate teams, and giving perms to each, or making a 3rd with both in it, but I don't know the specifics of what you're talking about
[11:52] <head_victim> The 2 teams is a LP  & a U team for the same l10n. So it was just deciding which one was the member of the other.
[11:52] <sagaci> never thought of the 3rd team idea
[11:52] <head_victim> I can foresee that it's possible someone wants to translate LP stuff and wants to avoid U stuff but I can't see the reverse of that ever happening.
[11:53] <bradm> head_victim: you'd be surprised what people want..
[11:54] <sagaci> head_victim, not necessarily, think of potential new members to the ubuntu-au LoCo, wanting to help out with Ubuntu and not Launchpad-hosted packages
[11:54] <sagaci> when I started translation, I'd prefer to do stuff that on my ubuntu system than the rest of the packages out there
[11:55] <sagaci> that's*
[11:55] <head_victim> Yeah but like you found out, a lot of stuff used in Ubuntu isn't translated by the Ubuntu team because it's not in main.
[11:55] <sagaci> there's an argument for both sides
[12:00] <head_victim> Yeah, that's why I was keen to discuss it. I wasn't sure I was understanding the email 100%. I honestly don't mind either way I was just looking to try and solve it using permissions to make it work for people no matter what their interest was. But I now see it's nice and complex no matter what you do.
[12:02] <sagaci> that's fine
[15:03] <sagaci> translators batch now starts at 1050
[22:54] <ikt> morning all :)
[23:02] <compacthack> Morning ikt
[23:04] <ikt> heya compacthack :)
[23:04] <ikt> what you up to?
[23:05] <compacthack> Making use of this sunshine, doing the Laundry!
[23:06] <compacthack> How about you?
[23:07] <ikt> same thing lol :D
[23:07] <ikt> and also making an 11.10 boot up usb and making a long post on why ubuntu ended up going with unity over gnome 2
[23:08] <compacthack> How are you finding unity, I did a fresh install of 11.10 on a spare drive during the week, finding the dual monitor support very disappointing, I'm sure it will be fixed but is stopping Me from using for the moment
[23:10] <ikt> unity is 80/20 for me
[23:10] <ikt> 80% good, 20% bad
[23:10] <ikt> I'm surprised at how many people have dual monitors
[23:11] <ikt> but overall I find unity to be better than gnome 2
[23:11] <ikt> and gnome 3 and kde4
[23:11] <ikt> here's my post: http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?p=13719634#post13719634
[23:13] <compacthack> Good work
[23:14] <compacthack> I agree unity isn't perfect, I'm sure it will keep getting better, mainly because of the obvious  Shuttleworth push
[23:14] <ikt> yeah exactly
[23:15] <compacthack> Yeah must be lots of multi monitor users, looking through launchpad, lots of dual monitor bugs, lots of people effected
[23:15] <head_victim> compacthack: what's not working on the dual monitors?
[23:16] <ikt> launcher isn't playing well
[23:16] <compacthack> The launcher is in the wrong place, the notifications and the clock stuff is repeated on both screens, the RHS notifications and clock don't click correctly, you click once and they only pop up for the duration of the click
[23:17] <compacthack> just a few little things I'm sure they'll iron out
[23:18] <compacthack> programs don't always remember were they should open
[23:22] <compacthack> Anyone have trouble installing chrome (not chromium) into 11.10? I had to do it from terminal, software center didn't like the .deb from google
[23:24] <ikt> yeah
[23:25] <ikt> there was a known issue
[23:26] <ikt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/868188
[23:28] <compacthack> Better subscribe to notifications on that one
[23:29] <ikt> tbh that's one of the bugs that should not have made it to live :/
[23:30] <compacthack> yeak, chrome is fairly popular these days


[05:31] <mborzecki> morning
[05:31] <mborzecki> matrix bridge appears to be up, yay!
[06:12] <mborzecki> zyga-mbp: hey
[06:59] <mborzecki> mvo: hi, can you take a look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10387 ?
[07:01] <pstolowski> morning
[07:09] <mvo> good morning mborzeck and pstolowski
[07:09] <mvo> mborzeck sure, looking
[07:10] <mborzecki> thanks!
[07:10] <mborzecki> pstolowski: hey
[07:24] <zyga-mbp> good morning guys :)
[07:36] <mvo> good morning zyga-mbp
[08:06] <mborzecki> pedronis: hi, you've rebased #10388 on top of master?
[08:08] <pedronis> mborzecki: yes
[08:08] <pedronis> didn't change anything
[08:08] <pedronis> there were a lot of failing spread tests?
[08:08] <pedronis> are they failing on master?
[08:11] <mborzecki> pedronis: i don't think so, https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10394 seems to be the latest pr (not counting yours) and looks pretty green
[08:11] <pedronis> ok, then hopefully my rebase will help
[08:11] <pedronis> to be clear I rebased because both the reviews there were straight +1 without commnets
[08:11] <pedronis> *comments
[08:11] <pedronis> otherwise I would have merged
[11:07] <mborzecki> pedronis: i've updated https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10361
[11:11] <pedronis> mborzecki: thx
[11:50] <pedronis> mborzecki: question there
[11:55] <mborzecki> pedronis: ah, ok, makes sense, that will also change a bit of other tests, so maybe it'd be best to put it in a followup?
[11:55] <pedronis> mborzecki: ok
[12:53] <ijohnson[m]> hi folks
[12:59] <mborzecki> ijohnson: hey
[12:59] <ijohnson[m]> Oh whoops SU time
[13:06] <heol> Hi!
[13:06] <ogra> hey heol
[13:06] <heol> Can someone advice how to add "wifi-ap" in a custom model assertion please?
[13:07] <heol> The eerror from ubuntu image is : "cannot add snap "wifi-ap" without also adding its base "core" explicitly"
[13:09] <ogra> you need to list core too in the model assertion
[13:09] <ogra> *before* wifi-ap
[13:09] <ogra> the assertion is processed top to bottom
[13:10] <heol> ogra You mean "name: core20, type: base" ?
[13:10] <ogra> nope, name core ...
[13:11] <ogra> and iirc it has a special type
[13:11]  * ogra checks one of hs models
[13:11] <ogra> heol, https://people.canonical.com/~ogra/UC20/pi-mediacenter-appliance/mediacenter.model ...
[13:11] <ogra> type core ...
[13:12] <ogra> ths assertion actually uses core, core18 and core20 for different app snaps that require them and seeds the cores first
[13:15] <heol> Yes that did id :D
[13:16] <ogra> 🙂
[13:16] <heol> what would be the rule in this case. Because I ran "snap info wifi-ap" and it only specifies several "latest/*" tracks
[13:16] <ogra> use the --verbose switch to the info command and grep for base
[13:17] <ogra> that should always show you what base a snap is built against
[13:17] <ogra> oh, except for snaps that did not have a base ... these are always "core"
[13:18] <ogra> i just notice that wifi-ap is old enough to not specify a base)
[13:18] <heol> I guess that's the case for wifi-ap then as it doesn't show a base :)
[13:18] <ogra> yeah
[13:18] <heol> Thanks a lot for the help
[13:18] <ogra> it is one of these "special snowflakes" ... pulseaudio is another one
[13:19] <heol> thankfully I don't need that one :)
[14:06] <cachio_> ijohnson[m], hi
[14:06] <cachio_> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XbP3WPV2SF/
[14:06] <cachio_> the test security-dev-input-event-denied
[14:06] <cachio_> is giving Operation not permitted instead of Permission denie
[14:06] <cachio_> for core-18
[14:07] <cachio_> mborzecki, ~
[14:07] <cachio_> any idea?
[14:07] <cachio_> it is in line 48
[14:07] <cachio_> not sure if there was a change that could make that fail sudenly
[14:14] <pstolowski> mborzecki: would you take a look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10385 when you have a moment?
[14:14] <ijohnson[m]> mvo: let me know if you want to sync to talk about the release
[14:21] <ijohnson[m]> cachio_: let me take a look
[14:21] <mborzecki> cachio_: ijohnson didn't we arrive to the conclusion that the order of apparmor vs device cgroup cannot be guaranteed?
[14:24] <ijohnson[m]> we did yeah, as per jj's comments but I think that was mainly just to be expected on newer kernels/systems ?
[14:24] <mborzecki> pstolowski: sure, will do
[14:24] <mborzecki> pstolowski: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10385#discussion_r650990148
[14:34] <cachio_> ijohnson[m], it is happening in uc18
[14:34] <cachio_> the test is failing so often now
[14:35] <cachio_> I'll try to reproduce it in the other core systems
[15:02] <mborzecki> hmm some of the boostate 20 reseal tests are not too realistic
[15:03] <mborzecki> the catch is that we expect a test to do a reseal, but never setup the bootchain, so when the comparison time comes, it's empty bootchan vs a valid one, which always reseals
[15:03] <mborzecki> also resealForModel() went away at this point too
[15:10] <pedronis> mborzecki: resealForModel looked a bit strange to me
[15:10] <pedronis> fwiw
[15:10] <mborzecki> pedronis: well, it's gone now
[15:10] <pedronis> mborzecki: just tests problems, or did you find actual bugs?
[15:11] <mborzecki> pedronis: no, just tests afaict
[15:11] <pedronis> (might be my fault, but things evolve)
[15:11] <pedronis> mborzecki: good, and yes test realism is a complex matter, that's why it's recommended to get test to fail first but not always easy
[15:12] <mborzecki> pedronis: well, all of us worked and reviewed this so we share the blame fwiw 😉
[15:20] <cachio_> ijohnson[m], what I see is that if I execute the test security-dev-input-event-denied twice
[15:20] <cachio_> the seconnd time allways fails
[15:21] <cachio_> in any core system
[15:21] <cachio_> allways first time works well
[15:21] <cachio_> but then it fails
[15:22] <cachio_> with the same error
[15:22] <cachio_> mborzecki, ~
[15:29] <ijohnson[m]> yeah seems related, maybe you need to do the REBOOT thing after the end of the test
[15:30] <cachio_> ijohnson[m], in this case these is another one which is leaving this state
[15:30] <cachio_> to the reboot should go in more than 1 test I think
[15:32] <pedronis> mborzecki: I reviewed https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10386
[15:32] <pedronis> lgtm, some small things
[15:38] <cachio_> mborzecki, can you take quick look to  #10367 please?
[15:43] <ijohnson[m]> cachio_: yeah I think we should make the security-dev-input-event-denied test work like you made the security-device-cgroups test in #10367
[15:43] <cachio_> ijohnson[m], ok, thanks
[15:43] <cachio_> I'll implement that
[15:44] <ijohnson[m]> ack, thanks for working on this
[15:57] <mborzecki> pedronis: thanks!
[16:00] <mvo> ijohnson[m]: sorry for the slow reply, had to prep for an interview. about 2.51.1, I can do it either latere tonight or in my morning
[16:02]  * cachio_ lunch
[16:03] <ijohnson[m]> mvo: I mean if all that's needed is to start the process I'm fine to start it, just wanted to check in with you about if there is anything outstanding for 2.51.1 that you wanted included
[16:56] <pedronis> ijohnson[m]: mvo: how are we going to deliver the netlink interface? a branch?
[16:56] <ijohnson[m]> is netlink one of the things that we need for 2.51.1 then?
[17:15] <zyga-mbp> mvo: interactive debug session in gitlab with spread: https://git.ostc-eu.org/OSTC/OHOS/components/sysota/-/merge_requests/20
[17:15] <zyga-mbp> mvo: too some setting up but it looks like a nice way to get into problematic builds
[17:17] <ijohnson[m]> zyga-mbp: woah that's super cool
[17:17] <ijohnson[m]> I assume it times out after a certain amount of time so as not to keep VM's running indefinitely ?
[17:31] <zyga-mbp> ijohnson[m] yes, it's fully configurable
[17:32] <zyga-mbp> ijohnson[m]: there are two uses: a job that's running (it times out with the job)
[17:32] <zyga-mbp> ijohnson[m] and just-spaw-on-demand interactive terminal
[17:32] <zyga-mbp> ijohnson[m] (available to project maintainers only)
[17:32] <zyga-mbp> ijohnson[m] that is also configurable but has an option of infinite time, so you can just keep a session running in a browser all you like
[17:34] <ijohnson[m]> Nice! Yeah I can't tell you the number of times I've wanted something like that, but I also don't need to tell you because you know exactly the pain :-D
[17:35] <zyga-mbp> haha, yes
[17:35] <zyga-mbp> I think  github actions has something similar now
[17:35] <zyga-mbp> but I've stopped using it for "big" things so I don't actively keep track
[17:35] <zyga-mbp> we're running into a weird error where clang-based builds work almost anywhere except in CI
[17:36] <zyga-mbp> where they seem to use instructions unsupported by the CPU
[17:36] <zyga-mbp> and we want to know what the hell the CPU is :)
[17:37] <zyga-mbp> but that's tomorrow
[17:37] <zyga-mbp> did the spread review session happen today by any chance?
[17:38] <zyga-mbp> it doesn't look like it has
[17:38] <zyga-mbp> mvo: did I miss it? is it the wrong Monday?
[17:38] <ijohnson[m]> zyga-mbp: yeah it happened, only one thing landed but two other PR's needed to be redesigned
[17:38] <ijohnson[m]> zyga-mbp: not sure what happened myself I only heard about it from mvo during standup this morning
[17:39] <zyga-mbp> ohhh
[17:39] <zyga-mbp> https://github.com/snapcore/spread/pull/112
[17:39] <zyga-mbp> landed!!!!
[17:40] <zyga-mbp> woot, thank you mvo
[17:40] <zyga-mbp> I'll send more patches :)
[17:42] <zyga-mbp> I need to EOD now but I'm happy to see some progress :)
[20:01] <pedronis> ijohnson[m]: I reviewed https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10381  it wasn't on my queue and didn't need particularly my review, but you said you were blocked on the 2nd review for it
[20:02] <ijohnson[m]> pedronis: ah nice thank you, yeah it didn't need your review just needed a second one
[20:02] <ijohnson[m]> I'm trying to do all the test moving in very targeted PR's so as not to confuse unnecessarily
[20:04] <ijohnson[m]> ah but wait now I have introduced more conflicts for myself for #10346 ☹ oh well I suppose I can sort that out


[10:49] <fishcooker> how to trigger suspend/poweroff options through command line?
[10:52] <leszek> fishcooker: on 16.04 with systemctl -i suspend or systemctl -i poweroff
[11:09] <jirido> Hi. we sitt here and having a meeting and try to get our screen cloned to a projector.. The problemm is that arander dont have the option to clone the same screen to 2 displays.. is there an other way.. Im on a 15.04 lubuntu
[11:11] <leszek> jirido: xrandr --output LVDS --auto --output VGA --auto --same-as LVDS
[11:11] <leszek> though check outputs
[11:11] <leszek> this will use internal LVDS and clone it to VGA
[11:11] <leszek> xrandr itself without option will list all outputs
[11:11] <jirido> leszek: it is on a hdmi..
[11:12] <leszek> then replace VGA with HDMI-0 maybe
[11:12] <jirido> ill look
[11:15] <leszek> jirido: btw. in arandr you can clone by dragging the output ontop of the other
[11:16] <jirido> leszek: i dont get it.. can you explain.. in arandr there is hdmi-1-0 if i check it there will come a secondary screen. ahaa..
[11:16] <jirido> right
[11:16] <leszek> you can drag that secondary screen ontop of the primary one
[11:16] <jirido> Thank you. Yes i managed :)
[11:17] <leszek> though they need a familiar resolution otherwise it might look weird
[11:17] <leszek> nice :)
[23:07] <dude> Hi :) I am a total lubuntu noob...well, im a total linux noob really.  Short question tho, if someone have any info; can i make unity-tweak work in lubuntu, or can i find something similar?
[23:08] <wxl> dude: hate to say it, but i'm totally unfamiliar with unity-tweak. what, exactly, are you trying to accomplish?
[23:08] <dude> lol...my last GRAY hair
[23:08] <dude> just seemed like a practical way to admin themes an such
[23:09] <wxl> oh it's a theme helper. yeah, i'm not aware of such a thing.
[23:10] <dude> doesnt really matter to me at all, but i really want the...hmmm...whats it called, "fil, view" etc line merge in the top line of the window
[23:10] <wxl> does this help, dude? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Theming
[23:14] <dude> not really wxl, but thanks tho. Not really the themes im after, as i gor lubuntu cause i love the simplicity.
[23:14] <dude> What i want is
[23:14] <dude> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWUf45ZPAQM
[23:15] <dude> @1.50 min
[23:15] <dude> oh, sorry if linking is not allowed :S
[23:15] <wxl> you want the menus to show in the title window?
[23:16] <dude> yes :)
[23:17] <wxl> yeah i've never seen anything like that implemented in lubuntu ever
[23:17] <wxl> i'm not even sure that openbox would actually support that
[23:18] <wxl> dude: i would urge you to contact the openbox developers directly http://openbox.org/wiki/Openbox:Community_portal#IRC
[23:19] <dude> ok. Thank you very much for your time tho :)
[23:20] <wxl> np
[23:24] <wxl> dude: another thing you consider is to find some other window manager that WOULD support that. i mean, maybe besides unity. XD
[23:37] <spasedgoat> hello lubuntu
[23:42] <tsimonq2> hello spasedgoat
[23:42]  * spasedgoat nods
[23:58] <merlin___> Hello! Guys can anyone help me to choose the system version?


[09:47] <Saviq> if anyone's around, would you please ♻ the two regressions visible here for qtmir and unity-api http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/yakkety/update_excuses.html#qtmir thanks!
[09:47] <Saviq> actually might throw in the unity-scopes-api one as well
[09:49] <Saviq> although those ones I'm afraid are not flakies but something gone wrong with BT on the armhf side "Job for bluetooth.service failed because the control process exited with error code."