[12:11] <mnepton> oy jdub
[12:43] <shwag> ~/.bash_profile says "the default umask is set in /etc/login.defs" , but I changed the the UMASK setting in login.defs, and  $ umask , still says 022
[12:44] <Mithrandir> you logged in using gdm?
[12:44] <shwag> uhh...yah
[12:45] <shwag> err...i mean, no.
[12:45] <Mithrandir> have you decided?
[12:45] <shwag> no gdm
[12:45] <shwag> this is just CLI
[12:45] <Mithrandir> I generally recommend just using libpam-umask
[12:45] <Mithrandir> but I'm the author, so I might be biased.
[12:46] <shwag> What is libpam-umask?  I mostly just thought I would bring this up because Im following the erroneous instructions in  .bash_profile.
[12:47] <shwag> because I can just set umask in /etc/profile
[12:47] <cjwatson> /etc/profile won't work properly if you're logging in using gdm ...
[12:47] <infinity> You did, like, log out... Right?
[12:48] <cjwatson> doing it in PAM means it gets set right at the top of every session you create (console, gdm, ssh, whatever) if you configure it in /etc/pam.d/common-session
[12:48] <Mithrandir> cjwatson: except for the fact that gdm resets the umask and doesn't restore it.
[12:49] <cjwatson> score
[12:49] <Mithrandir> I need to poke upstream about it, I just haven't had the time yet.
[12:50] <shwag> infinity: I rebooted even.
[12:50] <shwag> cjwatson: no gdm. no x11.
[12:53] <shwag> man login.defs  says a few things, but I still dont know why it doesnt have any effect.
[12:55] <realist> what about /etc/profile or ~/.profile ?
[12:55] <shwag> what calls login ?
[12:55] <shwag> realist: I can put a umask in there, but .bash_profile says that /etc/login.defs is the proper place.
[12:58] <realist> shwag: was referring to the fact that either of those could be setting the umask back to 022
[12:58] <realist> I was also under the impression login no longer used /etc/login.defs
[01:01] <shwag> realist: You are right. Someone put a umask setting in the default /etc/profile.
[01:11] <shwag> realist: commenting out the umask setting in /etc/profile didnt have an effect, so you must be right about login.defs no longer working.
[01:12] <realist> shwag: then you'll need to decide between using profile, or pam
[01:13] <shwag> not sure what the using pam solution would look like.
[01:55] <cjwatson> shwag: libpam-umask would be the place to start, as we said earlier; it has a README explaining how to use it
[01:56] <shwag> cjwatson: more interested in getting things "proper" and submitting the bug. already filed for  bash and login  packages.
[01:56] <shwag> cjwatson: it works if I set it in /etc/profile
[02:06] <cjwatson> Keybuk: please blacklist ghc-cvs (see my earlier entry in removals.txt)
[02:06] <cjwatson> Keybuk: I'll remove it again now
[02:07] <cjwatson> Keybuk: if you close the file between edits, then I can edit it myself without having to bug you :)
[02:15] <cjwatson>   125028 | -B | gecode (i386)        | 1.3.1-1              | a minute
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[02:15] <cjwatson> what the ... huh?
[02:15] <cjwatson> Keybuk: ^-- please don't NEW that one without careful thought :-)
[03:17] <Keybuk> cjwatson: I saw that (gecode)
[03:18] <_ion> cge: That trevio guy visited the channel, but you (or i) weren't online. He said he sent you an email.
[03:19] <_ion> cge: Btw, there have been 114 installs so far for the wallpaper package. :-)
[03:22] <cge> _ion: Yes
[03:24] <cge> _ion: He was just asking if I wanted to talk to him here sometime. I replied pointing him to your email address, and trying to summarise the reasons why he shouldn't distribute that list.
[03:26] <Fujitsu> _ion: Nice! Is that the one that is red on black?
[03:32] <_ion> fujitsu: Yep.
[03:33] <_ion> fujitsu: The rate was about 10 installations per hour, but it slowed down now that it's nighttime in Europe.
[03:38] <cge> _ion: Amazing.
[03:38] <cge> _ion: I suppose that's what happens when more people start using Ubuntu.
[03:39] <cge> _ion: But it's going to really hurt when someone decides to put a deb up that does real damage.
[05:34] <sladen> jdub: oooh, head of Marketing today!
[05:49] <towsonu2003> hi
[09:49] <jdub> woo, edgy livecd cylon
[09:50] <Burgundavia> jdub: livecd cylon?
[09:51] <jdub> the indeterminite splash progress bar
[09:51] <Burgundavia> ah
[09:52] <TheMuso> I was pleasantly surprised to see that when I used a live CD recently.
[10:18] <pygi> siretart: poke again, sorry for bothering ^_^
[10:24] <siretart> pygi: hey there
[10:24] <pygi> siretart: multi-session is working, yay ^_^
[10:24] <siretart> pygi: w00t!
[10:24] <pygi> not completely yet, but it working ^_^
[10:25] <pygi> I really can't believe we are moving that fast...
[10:25] <siretart> pygi: out of interest, does libburn support dvd drives as well?
[10:25] <pygi> siretart: you mean dvd burning? not yet, but with this speed it'll get that support soon :P
[10:25] <siretart> :)
[10:26] <siretart> currently I'm using 2 different tools for my burning depending on the media. would be great if there was one common tool
[10:26] <pygi> well, libburn is a library ^_^
[10:26] <pygi> But you can use cdrskin which is command-line compatiblity wrapper for cdrecord
[10:27] <pygi> I could really use some help with getting the books I need for example: orange book, etc, etc
[10:27] <siretart> in fact, I'm using nautilus-cd-burner most often
[10:27] <pygi> that will be ported to libbunr ^_^
[10:27] <siretart> :)
[10:28] <pygi> libburn*
[10:28] <pygi> will upload libburn-enabled Brasero as soon as I can get my edgy to behave a bit better and sign the packages :P
[10:30] <pygi> siretart: will stop bothering now ^_^
[10:34] <ajmitch> hey siretart, pygi
[10:34] <pygi> hey ajmitch
[10:35] <Burgundavia> hey ajmitch
[10:36] <ajmitch> hello Burgundavia, how's it going?
[10:37] <Burgundavia> not bad
[10:37] <Burgundavia> abvout to crash
[10:37] <ajmitch> yeah, I should as well
[10:37] <ajmitch> just checking things before I turn in for the night
[10:37] <ajmitch> (like my flights tomorrow)
[10:50] <siretart> heyho ajmitch
[11:17] <jdub> hrm
[11:17] <jdub> how's apt-proxy in edgy?
[11:18] <Fujitsu> jdub: Stuffed, as usual.
[11:19] <jdub> seriously so?
[11:19] <Fujitsu> The Debian-recommended solution seems to be `use apt-cacher'
[11:19] <jdub> hrm
[11:19] <Fujitsu> I can't remember how it's stuffed, but I remember it is...
[01:47] <jdub> whiprush: it may not be nice, but the last two weeks have been an education in community self-control and self-education. they're extremely important issues.
[01:48] <bhale> good morning jdub lovers
[01:48] <jdub> morning bhale
[01:48] <Hobbsee> hey bhale
[01:48] <Hobbsee> hi jdub
[01:49] <jdub> yo Hobbsee
[01:49] <jdub> Hobbsee: registered for linux.conf.au yet?
[01:49] <Hobbsee> jdub: nope
[01:50] <jdub> yeah, i know, i just figured i'd bug you about it ;-)
[01:50] <Hobbsee> haha
[01:50] <jdub> i was surprised no one suggested an ubuntu miniconf this year
[01:52] <engla> how can ubuntu developers be so short-sighted that they include binary drivers by default? This is so utterly nonsensical for ubuntu, the great, upcoming, innovating and ground-breaking linux distro. We can do so much better for the world
[01:53] <pygi> engla: nothing is done yet.
[01:53] <Hobbsee> engla: your ranting here at this time of day is useless.  most of them are out at the pub, or sleeping
[01:53] <engla> well I sure hope they meet resistance in the community
[01:55] <Hobbsee> engla: i'm sure they're meeting the resistance of other devs.  it's not like they dont know about it
[01:56] <engla> I know, that's good. I hope they realize how short-sighted it is. Ubuntu is not made for xgl or for gamers or anyone who has a blog anyway; it's mostly made for everyone
[01:57] <Hobbsee> jdub: so what will you do if i dont come to LCA?
[01:57] <Hobbsee> :P
[01:58] <sladen> engla: I think the idea goes something like this  (a) people /will/ install binary drivers anyway;  so lets make it ultra easy for those people  (b) lets nag them to death with a popup box/dialogue pointing out the evilness and that they should buy Intel cards instead   (c) you only have to pursuade one of either ATI or Nvidia to 'open up' and the other will be forced to follow suit
[01:59] <engla> we can do (c) anyway
[01:59] <mjg59> (d) shame suspend has just broken for all of them
[01:59] <engla> well i'm on the most prop hardware of any -- apple's; but on linux I have to use oss drivers for everything, so I do
[01:59] <sladen> engla: there will (and is already) a CD image that will /not/ install either bianry drivers or wifi card firmware;  hopefully the prominance of that will be increased
[02:00] <engla> aha
[02:01] <jdub> Hobbsee: i suppose i ponder for a short moment about opportunities wasted. then i'll get back into the action. :-)
[02:01] <Hobbsee> jdub: hehe, right
[02:09] <fdoving> will the livecd session find and use existing swap partitions?
[02:10] <sladen> fdoving: yes, if they have been mkswaped
[02:10] <fdoving> sladen: ok, thanks :)
[02:51] <fdoving> will feisty apt (and the archives) support DiffIndexes like debian etch+ ?
[03:48] <siretart> fdoving: I haven't seen any spec for that, so I wouldn't count on it
[03:48] <jdub> hrm
[03:48] <jdub> T42, usplash doesn't come up, and whenever 'splash' is in the grub command line, the machine takes aeons to boot
[03:49] <jdub> take splash out and it's everyday speedy
[03:49] <siretart> look in malone, there was a bug about it
[03:49] <gnomefreak> were the ttf-arphic-uming font issues and dbus issues fixed yet?(feisty)
[03:49] <jdub> siretart: oh yeah? ta
[03:49] <siretart> I've had this as well on my amd64, but it was fixed before release
[03:49] <siretart> I don't remember the details
[03:50] <jdub> #61711
[03:50] <siretart> bug #61711
[03:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61711 in usplash "no boot splash and very slow booting" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61711
[03:52] <siretart> hm. looks like its still open.
[03:53] <jdub> wow, i had 1920x1200 in my usplash.conf
[03:53] <siretart> we have such displays for the staff personal at our uni :)
[03:53] <jdub> i'm going to reboot with that, see how it goes, then go to sleep and comment on the bug in the morning
[03:54] <jdub> night!
[03:54] <siretart> jdub: gn8
[03:54] <jdub> siretart: i think this must've happened when pia had her lappy plugged into my 24" monitor ;-)
[03:54] <siretart> jdub: I don't think that changing the display hardware should be able to break usplash
[04:16] <sladen> jdub: the usplash resolution is taken from what X autodetected
[04:18] <siretart> sladen: so it should perhaps be updated regularily like say, every boot, no?
[04:19] <Simira> sladen: not in the US yet?
[04:20] <fabbione> Simira: uds is finished
[04:21] <sladen> Simira: no, no, I'm currently trying to work out the most interesting way to get to Germany/NL
[04:21] <sladen> fabbione: now you have to do some real work for the next week :)
[04:22] <Simira> fabbione: I know. And you're still early out of bed?
[04:22] <Simira> sladen: you missed a conference? What's more interesting in Germany?
[04:22] <fabbione> sladen: if i can't ge some real sleep i won't survive the weekend
[04:22] <fabbione> Simira: i need to pack and leave earlier than the others
[04:23] <fabbione> Simira: i am going out with a friend of mine for a city tour, and of course it's raining
[04:23] <Simira> fabbione: well, I guess it's warmer than here... have a nice day anyway
[04:24] <fabbione> Simira: yeah thanks.
[04:47] <bokey> as
[04:47] <bokey> nas0
[05:14] <elias_> At which time do I reach the most people here in this channel?
[05:18] <bddebian> Howdy
[05:49] <cjwatson> siretart: every boot> I tried to persuade mjg59 of that during the edgy cycle; I remember that he persuaded me to leave it the way it was, but I don't remember how ...
[05:57] <elias_> How do I add a specification page to ubuntu wiki? Is the only way to create a wiki link somewhere? If so, where would I add the link for a new specification?
[06:00] <apokryphos> elias_: #ubuntu for support
[06:08] <cjwatson> elias_: visit the URL you want to create, select "SpecTemplate"
[06:09] <elias_> cjwatson: txn
[06:09] <elias_> tnx
[06:13] <Simira> cjwatson: is Tollef still nearby?
[06:14] <siretart> cjwatson: interesting. seems worthwile to me to file a bug about this. hm. I'll ask him when he's around
[07:06] <highvoltage> I love Ubuntu. I love Ubiquity, I love Casper, I love d-i, I love debian packages, and most of all, I love how easy all of this makes my life.
[07:07] <elias_>  I love the concept of network-manager! A daemon in the background which different GUIs in different desktop environments talk to! I believe this approache should be choosen more frequently. Next best example which come into my mind is power management. I created a specification to this strategy and want to invite everybody to add cases where this strategy would also make sense. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EfficientCodingStrategySpec
[07:08] <pygi> elias_: you are right, just the concept :P
[07:09] <_ion> Well, separating the view from the controller is always a good thing. :-)
[07:10] <elias_> Yess!
[07:11] <_ion> (Unless you're a PHP programmer, in which case you *know* it's better to put the controller and the model all around the view.)
[07:12] <elias_> As I describe in my spec this prevents the community from wasting valuable coding time. It happens just to often that the same thing probably even in the same quality is done twice.
[07:12] <elias_> dbus and dcop is such an example
[07:13] <elias_> both fulfilling the same need. but the one was open and accessible for everybody while the other one was hiding in it's KDElibs fortress.
[07:13] <elias_> To be never installed without KDElibs and QT.
[07:13] <cge> elias_: If I recall, those use different principles which not everyone agrees on. DCOP wasn't "hidden" - everyone knew about it, and others chose not to use it.
[07:13] <elias_> What a waste, now as they replace it with dbus in KDE4.
[07:14] <elias_> cge: But the barrier to use it was bigger.
[07:14] <cge> elias_: You might want to add various bonobo-related things to that list too.
[07:15] <elias_> Since you would have to either install all KDElibs or start your own tree to maintain it as a seperate package.
[07:15] <elias_> cge: Would you do me the honour of adding them? I just don't know enough about bonobo.
[07:16] <cge> elias_: It was a bit of a mess. I don't quite know what would fit either.
[07:16] <cge> But the thing is, sometimes you have to come up with multiple solutions to a problem in order to figure out what works best in practice.
[07:16] <elias_> Power management is going a weird path as well these days.
[07:17] <cge> Bonobo was a great idea, but in practice it was complicated and clunky.
[07:18] <cge> elias_: But the biggest problem I see with the spec is that we aren't writing that much code, and when we do, we aren't the ones causing divisions like that.
[07:19] <elias_> divisions like what?
[07:19] <cge> elias_: Like dcop and dbus
[07:19] <cge> elias_: I don't think we are in the position to prevent duplication like that.
[07:19] <elias_> the duplication as such is not so much the problem
[07:20] <elias_> the problem is, if it is either not accessible or to monolithic
[07:20] <elias_> like in powermanagement
[07:20] <elias_> where everybody tries to solve this in one monolithic gui app (applet)
[07:20] <cge> elias_: THAT is a very good point.
[07:21] <elias_> instead of splitting it into a daemon available for all desktops and a gui
[07:21] <elias_> and the important thing is, that this daemon exists as an independent package
[07:22] <elias_> available for installation without kde or gnome
[07:22] <elias_> so the other can use it without having to install all the dependent libs
[07:22] <cge> elias_: You should change the spec to emphasise that more. From reading it, I got the impression that your biggest point was about accessibility.
[07:22] <pecisk> anyone - how to access Ubuntu gstreamer headers from simple C app? #include <gst/gst.h> gives me error
[07:23] <pecisk> though libgstreamer0.10-dev is installed
[07:23] <elias_> cge: suggestions?
[07:24] <cge> elias_: Err, I mean duplication for the last word there.
[07:25] <cge> elias_: Design backends to be independent of desktop environments?
[07:25] <elias_> so I should more emphasise on accessability and the splitting into backends and frontends.
[07:25] <cge> elias_: Yes.
[07:26] <cge> Because that seems like the most important point that you are trying to make.
[07:26] <_ion> pecisk: 0) That is offtopic for this channel, 1) see if the -dev package contains something/pkg-config/something.pc (in that case see pkg-config(1)) or /usr/bin/gstsomething-config
[07:27] <cge> pecisk: Yes, I was meaning to tell you that you would probably get an answer faster if you asked in #ubuntu
[07:27] <pecisk> ok, thanks for answers anyway :)
[07:29] <elias_> cge: what could I change the title to?
[07:30] <cge> elias_: separate-backends maybe?
[07:31] <elias_> cge: shared-backends-between-desktops?
[07:31] <cge> elias_: That would be good, yes.
[07:32] <elias_> cge: Thanks, for your valuable contribution! I will do that. Had the feeling my whole presentation is a bit confusing anyway.
[07:32] <elias_> I tend to tell too much.
[07:33] <cge> elias_: Well, it just seemed like you were placing emphasis on the wrong things.
[07:37] <elias_> Ok, thanks. Was good to get some feedback on that. Have to go to the movies now.
[07:39] <elias_> Is a specification actually the right place to publish such a strategy as it does not concern one specific application?
[08:50] <Adri2000> how often is updated app-install-data? and if a .desktop is modified in a package, it will be updated in the next version of app-install-data?
[08:52] <Mithrandir> Adri2000: generally around releases and yes.
[08:52] <Adri2000> ok
[10:10] <fdoving> cjwatson: can you take a look at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kopete/+bug/69583 - kopete SRU, mdz approved it for proposed, upstream changed the fix, need approval of the new fix, the new fix is in comment 13.
[10:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 69583 in kopete "SRU: kopete can't connect to ICQ. " [Low,Fix committed]
[10:26] <Kim^J> Hi there. Does the 6.06 Server really take 500MB ?
[10:26] <Kim^J> Clean install.
[10:40] <kent> Kim^J: this is not the channel for support,
[10:40] <Kim^J> kent: I know. But maybe I could get a good answer here.
[10:40] <Kim^J> I have googled on it and now know that it is 500MB. But why 500MB???
[10:41] <Kim^J> Debian server install takes about 200MB and with all my programs it takes 442MB...
[10:41] <Kim^J> Kinda strange.
[10:42] <jdong> Kim^J: 500MB for what?
[10:42] <kent> Kim^J: you knew this is not for support, yet you still ask for support.   dont do it. as for the size, it depends on the programs installed..  then ubuntu has more programs installed by default. not so strange, just look at compare the list of programs with debian and ubuuntu
[10:42] <Kim^J> jdong: HDD space.
[10:43] <Kim^J> kent: Is there some page that tells me what is preinstalled then?
[10:43] <jdong> Kim^J: packages.ubuntu.com
[10:43] <jdong> Kim^J: search up the metapackages
[10:45] <Kim^J> A hint on the name of the meta package for the server install?
[10:51] <bhale> Kim^J: the "server install" is ubuntu-standard
[10:51] <bhale> with a -server linux-image instead of the standard one
[10:51] <bhale> and the CDs have apache, php isntead of gnome
[10:51] <Kim^J> Hmm...
[10:51] <bhale> but it doesnt install them right off
[10:51] <Kim^J> That I know.
[10:52] <bhale> so there isnt really a meta package
[10:52] <Kim^J> Looks like I have to use Debian then.
[10:52] <Kim^J> And backport some things.
[10:52] <Kim^J> I don'
[10:52] <Kim^J> I don't want all the crap that'
[10:53] <bhale> you cant use ubuntu because you misunderstood the server install cd?
[10:53] <Kim^J> that's installed by Ubuntu.
[10:53] <Kim^J> If the server install is just standard Ubuntu with a different kernel it's not really for my server.
[10:53] <Kim^J> I just want the needed packages. Nothing more.
[10:54] <Kim^J> I'm gonna reinstall the server and I thought why not Ubuntu 6.06 on the server to.
[10:55] <jdong> do a freakin minimal install
[10:55] <jdong> and install the server packages you want
[10:56] <pygi> jdong: :P
[10:56] <Kim^J> jdong: Don't have any cds to burn anymore! :D
[10:57] <jdong> Kim^J: then install your server, and start stripping packages off :D
[10:57] <jdong> Kim^J: and how does installing debian help with your no-CD problem? :D
[10:57] <Kim^J> baaahhhh
[10:57] <Kim^J> jdong: Cause Debian is minimal and I have the cd already,
[10:57] <Kim^J> But it's sarge and that's a bit old...
[10:59] <Kim^J> Meehh... What the fuck... I'll just make a bigger partion for the OS then...
[11:00] <jdong> Kim^J: you mean you could've done that and saved a page of complaining?
[11:00] <bhale> alright jdong
[11:01] <Kim^J> jdong: Something like that yes...
[11:01] <bhale> if i can try to be nice, you can too :)
[11:02] <jdong> :)
[11:02] <Kim^J> hehe
[11:02] <Kim^J> I have some tea for your cookies.


[00:00] <Cheri703> almost meeting tiiiime!
[00:00]  * Unit193 thinks someone should be running ntpd.
[00:00] <gilbert> i feel like we had one in november, but yeah we kind of let that go way too long
[00:01] <Cheri703> we've let a LOT of things go way too long :s BUT that's the point, we're going to improve!
[00:01] <gilbert> or looking at his irc timestamps instead of his stove clock
[00:01] <skellat> gilbert: Howdy
[00:01] <dniMretsaM> improvement is good
[00:01] <skellat> Unit193: I gotta run ntpd on my BeagleBoard since it has no Real Time Clock so we're past 8 PM
[00:01] <gilbert> skellat: heya!
[00:01]  * drkokandy present
[00:02] <Cheri703> So...welcome to the meeting!
[00:02] <dniMretsaM> it's 20:02:05 according to my clock
[00:02] <gilbert> ok, i think we should go ahead, and get this started for reelz
[00:03] <gilbert> so, i've got some items to discuss, but in case people need to go early or anything, i think we should go ahead and open the floor up to anyone with topics of interest
[00:03] <skellat> gilbert: What's our agenda?
[00:03] <Cheri703> Well, I think first order of business should be LoCo Team Status
[00:04] <canthus13> i'm here and watching.  got a babeh in my lap, though.
[00:04] <Cheri703> So...the result of our renewal application: we were not renewed.
[00:04] <skellat> Cheri703: What was the vote?
[00:04] <Cheri703> We have been really inactive, and that's the reason.
[00:04] <Cheri703> Basically all +0
[00:05] <Cheri703> we've been invited to reapply in 6 months
[00:05] <gilbert> we got all +0, basically due to lack of documentation of events
[00:05] <dniMretsaM> well, that's not good
[00:05] <gilbert> its better than all -1
[00:05] <dniMretsaM> eh, true
[00:05] <gilbert> ultimately we have lots going on, its just that they've overly focused on the boring documentation stuff
[00:05] <Cheri703> direct quote from a LoCo council member about what it means to be "unapproved"
[00:05] <skellat> Have we actually *had* events?  I haven't heard anything from the folks down the shoreline in Cleveland as of late
[00:05] <Cheri703> Basically it means that you can't receive the stuff that you would
[00:05] <Cheri703> normally be able to request once approved. The team will not be able to
[00:05] <Cheri703> order CD's, and will not receive any of the upcoming books that have
[00:05] <Cheri703> been distributed through the Team Contacts. If you go to conferences,
[00:05] <Cheri703> the team will not be elgible to apply for the approved teams' conference
[00:05] <Cheri703> pack, you can still apply for the smaller conference pack.
[00:05] <Cheri703> It's important to note, that Ubuntu Ohio will not lose any of the
[00:05] <Cheri703> resources that have been provided by Canonical, any hosting that has
[00:06] <Cheri703> already been granted to the team, Forums, Mailing lists, everything will
[00:06] <gilbert> which i don't like to do, and i don't think Cheri703 likes to do
[00:06] <Cheri703> still remain intact.
[00:06] <Cheri703> I just never even think of it
[00:06] <Cheri703> :/
[00:06] <Cheri703> we could elect/appoint a team documentarian...
[00:06] <skellat> Cheri703: Documentation was supposed to be part of what the Burning Circle was about
[00:06] <Cheri703> well, they want pictures, blog posts, etc
[00:06] <skellat> Cheri703: I just stopped asking for a while after I heard nothing week after week
[00:07] <paultag> hereish
[00:07] <gilbert> skellat: do you know anything about the status of cleveland reloco? if not much is going on, you could take the lead up there
[00:07] <gilbert> heya paultag!
[00:07] <Cheri703> they want photos to go to the LoCo photostream and such.
[00:07] <paultag> heyya gilbert! Meeting time! :)
[00:07] <Cheri703> o/ paultag
[00:07] <paultag> heyya Cheri703
[00:07] <gilbert> we included links to the burning circle.  it was not enough
[00:07] <skellat> gilbert: Ashtabula is way too far away from Cleveland for me to lead anything.  60+ miles
[00:08] <gilbert> so, do we have any reloco leads here right now?
[00:08] <skellat> Cleveland ReLoCo as far as I can tell has just disappeared...I haven't heard anything out of them...Granted I only seem to hear anything when I issue ultimatums but still...
[00:08] <dniMretsaM> I'm about 45 minutes to an hour away from Cleveland
[00:08] <gilbert> skellat: start an ashtabula reloco!
[00:08] <paultag> when I left, I don't think anyone took charge
[00:08] <Cheri703> So, basically, no major impact to day to day operation of the group as a result of the un-approval. just for the record.
[00:08] <Cheri703> I'm Mansfield ReLoCo lead
[00:08] <paultag> dvz-: is still there, iirc, btw.
[00:09] <Cheri703> we had our first Ubuntu Hour in over a year last week!
[00:09] <paultag> as is jrgifford, right?
[00:09] <Cheri703> (I think it was last week?)
[00:09] <drkokandy> hooray Mansfield Ubuntu Hour
[00:09] <Cheri703> forgot to get a picture...we're going to take some next time :)
[00:09] <gilbert> Cheri703: awesome :)
[00:09] <drkokandy> it was 10/23 Cheri703
[00:10] <skellat> paultag: It isn't even winter yet and I'm hearing crickets from Cleveland's general direction.  I don't even have the excuse of snowed-out roads this round...
[00:10] <Cheri703> yes, thanks drkokandy! I lose track of days >_>
[00:11] <gilbert> ok, well i was hoping for some reloco leads to be here to actually talk about what they have going on (and to encourage them to put a small write-up on the wiki after their events)
[00:11] <Cheri703> The calendar has had Columbus, Cincinnati, and Akron Ubuntu hours on it for well...forever, but they haven't been happening
[00:11] <Cheri703> so we need to remove them until something is actually happening
[00:11] <gilbert> that's the kind of documentation the loco council needs from us
[00:11] <Cheri703> Do we have a u-ohio blog?
[00:12] <gilbert> ok, action item to remove hours that aren't regularly occuring now
[00:12] <skellat> Cheri703: Do we need to do another map pinning to see who is actually around?  I think we also need to kick the Arizona LoCo out of the Ohio LoCo's membership just to true those numbers a bit.
[00:12] <gilbert> is that wrong about columbus, cincinnatti, or akron at this point?
[00:12] <Cheri703> I'm seeing all 3 on the calendar at the moment, looking right now
[00:12] <Cheri703> skellat: we are just so spread out
[00:12] <Cheri703> that's actually one thing I was going to mention:
[00:13] <Cheri703> gilbert and I were discussing, I'm going to reach out to the LoCo Council, as well as to some of the other LoCo team leads to see if we can get some brainstorming or help with how to handle our "large area + small numbers" situation
[00:13] <Cheri703> That's an action item right there
[00:14] <Cheri703> some groups do so well because of sheer population numbers, or they're a city-specific LoCo, for us being statewide, it is harder to wrangle.
[00:14] <skellat> That's a big action item.  A more immediate one is to figure out why or how the whole Arizona LoCo has membership in the Ohio LoCo according to Launchpad.
[00:14] <Cheri703> well, reaching out and having the conversation is the action item "fixing everything" is not the action item ;)
[00:14] <gilbert> skellat: i'll take a look at that.  not sure when or why that happened.  anyone remember the past?
[00:15] <Cheri703> what is the date of membership? maybe check the mailing list around that time
[00:15] <skellat> Trying to pull it up
[00:15] <Cheri703> so since I can do it right now, taking a poll: columbus ubuntu hours actually happening every two weeks?
[00:16] <gilbert> not since i moved to Dayton 4 months ago :(
[00:16] <Cheri703> akron happening every 2 weeks?
[00:16] <Cheri703> Cincinnati happening every 2 weeks?
[00:16] <gilbert> jon was supposed to take over there, but didn't really step up...
[00:16] <Cheri703> ok, removing columbus from calendar
[00:16] <dniMretsaM> as far as I know, Akron doesn't have one
[00:16] <dniMretsaM> (that's the closest ReLoCo to me)
[00:16] <Cheri703> I don't think I've EVER heard of cincy having one...
[00:16] <Cheri703> ok, akron removed
[00:16] <skellat> The Arizona LoCo has apparently been a member of OHLoCo since 2007-10-01?
[00:17] <Cheri703> o_O
[00:17] <Cheri703> anyone know anything about cincy?
[00:17] <dzho> It's on the Ohio river
[00:17] <Cheri703> thank you for the helpful insight dzho
[00:17] <gilbert> dniMretsaM: would you be interested in becoming the reloco lead up there?  you'd just need to send some emails, and have hours at whatever regularity you want
[00:17] <dzho> I've got more . . .
[00:17] <itsafork> several years ago ther was a "tri-loco" thing that people tried to get going... it never really did
[00:18]  * thafreak is here...
[00:18] <gilbert> heya itsafork!
[00:18] <Cheri703> o/ itsafork
[00:18] <gilbert> what up thefreak
[00:18] <dniMretsaM> gilbert: I don't think that would work, as I'm off to college next year. and I have no car, so I can't go to meetings
[00:18] <skellat> itsafork: Well, perhaps we can bid them farewell in 2012
[00:18] <gilbert> ok, well action item to find an akron lead
[00:18] <itsafork> oh yeah... ahoy guys!
[00:19] <Cheri703> I'm going to go ahead and remove the cincinnati ubuntu hours as well, since there's apparently no word on that
[00:19] <gilbert> itsafork: do you have something important you would like to announce?
[00:19] <Cheri703> they can re-add if they're actually happening
[00:19] <dniMretsaM> sorry. I'll probably remove myself as a member next august when I leave
[00:19] <itsafork> skellat: sure why not
[00:19] <drkokandy> if they are happening, I'm sure someone will wonder why they've disappeared
[00:19] <skellat> itsafork: Now's the time to clean up the books, I guess
[00:19] <drkokandy> so hopefully people will read the minuts
[00:19] <Cheri703> they can check in then!
[00:19] <itsafork> true.
[00:19] <gilbert> ok, i have an action item to figure out removing arizona
[00:20] <itsafork> also, other action item....
[00:20] <gilbert> oh, btw, who wants to be responsible for recording and posting the meeting minutes for this meeting?
[00:20] <itsafork> a replacement for myself.
[00:20] <skellat> I will post minutes
[00:20] <gilbert> itsafork: i'm not sure everyone knows about your decision yet
[00:21] <gilbert> thanks skellat!
[00:21] <Cheri703> bah, I have to step away for a bit, back asap
[00:21] <itsafork> oh poo! i don't think i ever sent that email...
[00:21] <skellat> Hmm.  This should be interesting.
[00:21] <gilbert> yeah :p
[00:21] <gilbert> do you want to make a statement now?
[00:23] <itsafork> ok, well,  guys I need to step down from the loco. between work, family & all that other jazz I unfortunately don't have the time to continue on a LoCo lead.
[00:24] <gilbert> i just wanted to thank Jon for all the work that hes done with the loco in the past.  he's been a huge help
[00:24] <paultag> +1, hear hear!
[00:25] <gilbert> so with that, we actually need to have a new election to regain a third council member
[00:25] <skellat> +1, hear hear!
[00:25] <gilbert> i'll be sending an email with instructions prett soon
[00:25] <itsafork> thanks goilbert, that means a lot! I do still plan to be active in the loco & helping where & when i can
[00:25] <paultag> goilbert ← awesome
[00:25] <itsafork> agreed! +1
[00:25] <gilbert> and Jon you'll still be active within the loco, right?  just not in a leadership role
[00:26] <gilbert> oops you just said that ;)
[00:26] <gilbert> thats pretty awesome
[00:26] <gilbert> so, the final item that i have is wiki updates
[00:27] <gilbert> so, we have the ubuntu ohio wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam
[00:27] <itsafork> gilbert: correct!
[00:27] <gilbert> anyone is free to update that.  events, items of interest, anything that you may think relevant to ohio, please feel free to edit
[00:28] <Cheri703> Back
[00:28] <gilbert> part of our application issue was that we haven't been active wiki editors, so i want everyone that feels like something can be improved to go ahead and do so
[00:28] <Cheri703> Thanks itsafork for your work with the LoCo!
[00:28] <Cheri703> ++ on the wiki
[00:28] <skellat> gilbert: We're not very active with the forums either
[00:28] <Cheri703> We're just inactive in general
[00:28] <gilbert> yeah, maybe that's another item: what can we do to be more active?
[00:29] <paultag> o/
[00:29] <gilbert> for one, i think this meeting (and future irc meetings) itself is really important
[00:29] <paultag> global jams
[00:29] <paultag> (even Debian hax during the jams)
[00:29] <Cheri703> I am going to be frank here: A lot of that is (in my opinion) at least partially due to the rather vocal anti-Unity folks...like many times the conversations here are "ugh unity, ugh canonical, ugh ubuntu, I use <alternative>" and new folks or lurkers might feel put off when they're of the "uhm...I don't think it's too bad? I use vanilla ubuntu"
[00:29] <Cheri703> persuasion
[00:30] <Cheri703> not to say people can't have opinions
[00:30] <Cheri703> TOTALLY FINE to hate unity
[00:30] <Cheri703> just...
[00:30] <skellat> Cheri703: I love Xubuntu and my parents use Lubuntu without parent.  Yes, Unity can cause disharmony but there is more to life than it.
[00:30] <skellat> Wait, that shoulda said "...without problems."
[00:30] <Cheri703> For sure. Not saying Unity is the one true way and all others are heretics
[00:30] <gilbert> Cheri70: just curious where do you see that at?  irc
[00:31] <Cheri703> irc around release times. though it has petered out a bit, it used to be more prominent
[00:31] <gilbert> well, unity has also gotten better
[00:31] <dniMretsaM> I think Unity hate in general used to be more prominent
[00:31] <skellat> UDS-R just empowered the flavors big time to try new things and decouple from Ubuntu decisions even down to release timings.  Change is coming.
[00:31] <Cheri703> I'm just saying, we need to be conscious that some of the folks that join the group and then NEVER interact might want something to ease them into it
[00:32] <Cheri703> I don't know if I'm conveying my point.
[00:32] <Cheri703> we need to be welcoming and inclusive, not divisive
[00:32] <gilbert> i'd be really reserved about anything that restricts anyones freedom of expression.  discontent is in my opinion healthy since it helps people make things better
[00:32] <Cheri703> discontent fine, ranting not fine (in my opinion)
[00:33] <Cheri703> we get people joining the launchpad group at a reasonable rate (like 1-2/month) and...NOTHING. no contact with them at all
[00:33] <skellat> Gilbert, I'm just thinking about The Music Man with the pick-a-little/talk-a-little ladies...we're just having that happen too much.  Heck, I've even alluded to that in the Burning Circle at least once.
[00:33] <dniMretsaM> true. Personally, I haven't seen any ranting in the IRC. I was away for a while, though
[00:33] <Cheri703> if we had a blog or something to generate topics for conversation that could be carried to the mailing list, or even a "hey, mailing list, look! we posted to the blog!"
[00:33] <Cheri703> also integrating ML, Forums, IRC.
[00:33] <canthus13> there are those of us who mention on occasion that we really, really don't like Unity. *shrug
[00:34] <gilbert> Cheri703: do we have that kind of complaining on the mailing list?
[00:34] <Cheri703> used to
[00:34]  * skellat glares
[00:34] <Cheri703> oh...round about the time things slowed down a ton :s
[00:34]  * skellat doesn't remember what vicinity he's glaring in, though
[00:34] <canthus13> Actually using the ML tends to piss people off for some reason... :/
[00:34] <dniMretsaM> brb. Dog needs out...
[00:35] <skellat> canthus13: Yeah, don't want to be part of a mailing list or forum...that's not membership but collecting a gamer trophy that you're part of a geographic body...
[00:35] <gilbert> canthus13: that's something i'm really worried about.  we have very few posts to the ml due to past complaints from people about too much activity on the ml
[00:35] <gilbert> we need discussion there.  its healthy, and we let some people stamp that out
[00:35]  * canthus13 nods.
[00:36] <skellat> But this is Ohio, we don't like to discuss things!
[00:36] <skellat> :-)
[00:36] <Cheri703> gilbert: yeah...perhaps a monthly "If you'd like help setting up email filters, please let us know, we can have a tutorial session"
[00:36] <Cheri703> message
[00:36] <gilbert> action item to everybody:  please feel free to post topics of interest and goings on in the state to the ml
[00:36] <drkokandy> should the mailing list be for discussion, or should that be the forum? I didn't even know we had a forum until someone mentioned the wiki and I noticed it there (but then I'm new)
[00:36] <skellat> The more I hear about things going on around the state, the less I have to come up with novel original content for the podcast
[00:36] <gilbert> both are meant for discussion
[00:37] <gilbert> different personalities like forums vs mls
[00:37] <thafreak> sorry to butt in...but didn't we have flyer pdf's made up at some point?
[00:37] <gilbert> i really wish we had some kind of cross-posting so both groups were the same
[00:37] <Cheri703> hang on, let me find it
[00:37] <thafreak> all this talk of mailling lists got me to thinking about the KSU ACM chapter...
[00:37] <Cheri703> gilbert: can we put a link to the mailing list archives somewhere on the main forum page? like as a sticky?
[00:38] <thafreak> I don't think anyone pays attention to their mailling list, they only go by signs hanging up in the lobby
[00:38] <gilbert> Cheri703: possibly, i'll look into it
[00:38] <Cheri703> I've seen some places that just post a message in the sticky that says "new thread on mailing list: subject line" and then folks can go check the archive or participate
[00:38] <skellat> Cheri703: We've already got that in the right sidebar on the LoCo homepage
[00:38] <Cheri703> but on the forum itse
[00:38] <Cheri703> lf
[00:39]  * Cheri703 is quick on the enter key tonight >_<
[00:39] <skellat> Cheri703: I thought the Forum was integrated in that too
[00:39] <dniMretsaM> on the topic of generating discussions. could we maybe do something like a community blog were all the members could write posts if they so desired?
[00:39] <dniMretsaM> it could also be the place for announcements, etc.
[00:39] <Cheri703> yeah dniMretsaM, I mentioned a blog, I think it'd be good, but...would need some sort of monitoring, at least to a degree
[00:39] <skellat> dniMretsaM: For that we've got the forum, though
[00:39] <Cheri703> it could go on ubuntu-planet
[00:39] <gilbert> we have an aggregator already: http://ohio.ubuntu-us.org/planet
[00:39] <itsafork> so, just to clarify what i'm hearing: people/members are interested in all of the different DE's... so for global jam's why not the LoCo focus on backend desktop (not gui) services, and ubuntu server??
[00:40] <dniMretsaM> skellat: then we need to promote the forum, more. since almost nobody uses it
[00:40] <itsafork> sorry that was a touch behind..
[00:40] <gilbert> dniMretsaM: do you have a blog you would like to add to our planet?
[00:40] <skellat> itsafork: It is okay.  It has been a long day.
[00:40] <dniMretsaM> gilbert: not currently I've considered starting one a few times, though
[00:41] <Cheri703> thafreak: there was a flyer, it had the columbus reloco info on it.
[00:41] <skellat> What would we like a general-purpose Ohio LoCo flyer to say/convey?
[00:41] <Cheri703> http://spreadubuntu.org/ is a good resource if folks want to print stuff up
[00:41] <Cheri703> good place to start at least
[00:41] <Cheri703> lots of modifiable things
[00:41] <gilbert> Cheri703: can you post the pdf to the wike somewhere so others can access it?
[00:42] <Cheri703> it's a .xcf
[00:42] <gilbert> s/pdf/file
[00:43] <gilbert> ok guys, i think thats everything i wanted to cover from this meeting.  any other topics of interest?
[00:43] <skellat> gilbert: Silly question on my part, how many folks do we have in the LoCo who are "Ubuntu Member" at this point?
[00:44] <Cheri703> uploading now. Definitely browse spreadubuntu.org if folks are looking for materials. there's some awesome stuff there
[00:44] <Cheri703> I'm an ubuntu Member
[00:44] <gilbert> not sure.  Jacob is the only one i'm aware of
[00:44] <thafreak> does member mean @ubuntu.com address?
[00:44] <skellat> I'm an Ubuntu Member
[00:44] <gilbert> we also have a canonical developer, Chase Douglas, in ohio
[00:44] <Cheri703> thafreak: yeah
[00:44] <Cheri703> gilbert: he moved
[00:45] <Cheri703> like...>1 year ago
[00:45] <Cheri703> afail
[00:45] <Cheri703> k
[00:45] <Cheri703> bah
[00:45] <Cheri703> I fail
[00:45] <gilbert> ok, my bad
[00:45] <Cheri703> I only know this because I talked to him for ~10 seconds on the way back from UDS last year and he said he was moving :)
[00:45] <gilbert> ah
[00:46] <skellat> Would there be a way to get a head count or something from the LoCo Council of that?
[00:46] <gilbert> skellat: just curious why you're concerned about our ubuntu member numbers?
[00:47] <Unit193> Doesn't really matter, but I am as well.
[00:47] <gilbert> ok
[00:47] <thafreak> i'm an ubuntero if that counts ;)
[00:47] <skellat> gilbert: New members are always announced in UWN and it is a growth metric that may or may not be worthwhile to be able to show to the LoCo Council in terms of commitment levels.
[00:47] <thafreak> i.e. signed the code of conduct
[00:48] <skellat> Partly it is a way just to get a handle on who exactly make up Ubuntu Ohio and where we can build from there
[00:48] <Cheri703> added flyer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam/ArtWork
[00:48] <gilbert> thanks Cheri703!
[00:48] <Cheri703> also a link to spread ubuntu
[00:49] <gilbert> ok, any other items to discuss?
[00:49] <skellat> I'm good
[00:49] <Cheri703> One thing I think might be good to add on the wiki (if it isn't already there?)
[00:49] <Cheri703> Somewhere to list teams that our members are ACTIVE on. (not just peripherally related to).
[00:50] <Cheri703> that way new members can see what we're up to as individuals, as well as reaching out for possible mentoring
[00:50] <gilbert> Cheri703: seems like a good idea
[00:50] <skellat> Cheri703: That's also a good way to spur more applications to the membership boards :-)
[00:50] <Cheri703> yep
[00:50] <dniMretsaM> Cheri703: do we want a PNG of the poster embedded and a download link to the XCF?
[00:50] <Cheri703> sure
[00:50]  * Cheri703 just slapped it up there
[00:51] <thafreak> What do we mean be being "on" a team? Cause I think technically I'm on server team, but I just watch the mailling list and occasionally wander into the IRC meetings
[00:51] <Cheri703> yeah, I mean like active participation
[00:51] <gilbert> ok guys, i think that wraps up the meeting (unless there is anything else?)
[00:51] <Cheri703> if someone came to you and said "thafreak, how do I get involved in the server team? what should I start working on?" could you answer?
[00:51] <Cheri703> that's my metric personally...
[00:52] <Cheri703> yeah, that's all I've got. we've got some things to work on :)
[00:52] <gilbert> ok, so skellat is going to send meeting minutes to the ml, and i'll have more details on the election soon
[00:52] <thafreak> sort of
[00:52] <skellat> Minutes will be posted TOMORROW to the forum as a new thread and I will make a post to my Ubuntu-related blog (http://erielookingproductions.info/ubuntu/ ) which will show up on Planet Ubuntu
[00:52] <thafreak> I could tell them what the server team people tell everyone who asks
[00:52] <Cheri703> thafreak: I think if you could point them in the right direction, then that'd be fine
[00:52] <thafreak> find a mentor
[00:53] <gilbert> skellat: can you also add the notes to the wiki?
[00:53] <skellat> gilbert: If that is okay, of course
[00:53] <thafreak> I still haven't found a mentor yet :-P
[00:53] <gilbert> skellat: that's great
[00:53] <skellat> gilbert: Will add to the wiki tomorrow after I take my cat to the vet in the morning
[00:53] <Cheri703> well, the idea here would be that folks could come to the ohio page, see "oh, hey, gilbert is on a team I'm interested in, perhaps (since he's put some sort of indicator we'd choose) he can help me get my footing on that team"
[00:53] <Cheri703> skellat: can you link on the mailing list as well?
[00:54] <skellat> Cheri703: Yes
[00:54] <Cheri703> thanks
[00:54] <Cheri703> thafreak: thought being - "I already have a tiny thing in common with person x since we're both in ubuntu-ohio, that is less intimidating than going into the -team list and saying "ANYONE WANT TO HELP THE NEWBIE?!""
[00:54] <gilbert> ok, great!  thanks everyone for attending.  let's plan to have a next irc meeting in early december, dates/details to be decided later in the month
[00:55] <Cheri703> perhaps it isn't such an issue with some folks
[00:55] <Cheri703> sounds good gilbert.
[00:55] <Cheri703> OH, quick poll!
[00:55] <Cheri703> how was doodle for everyone?
[00:55] <skellat> Doodle was fine, Cheri703
[00:55] <Cheri703> like was that ok? that helped a lot in being able to figure out a time, even though it's evil evil javascript ;)
[00:55] <thafreak> Yeah, I'd be comfortable helping like that
[00:55] <drkokandy> easy Cheri703
[00:55] <Cheri703> hehe, /me was looking at gilbert when mentioning javascript ;)
[00:56] <gilbert> i'm not fond of javascript, but i'll suck it up and deal with it, so i think sticking with doodle is fine
[00:56]  * thafreak thought the doodle thing was fine
[00:56] <Cheri703> ok, sounds good :)
[00:56] <gilbert> ADJOURNED
[00:57]  * skellat wanders off
[00:57] <thafreak> Cheri703: thanks for posting the poster
[00:57] <Cheri703> sure :) I have a folder titled "ubuntu propaganda" that are various bits and pieces I either liked or have used
[00:57] <Cheri703> so I knew it was around somewhere :)
[00:58] <Unit193> Seems like I'll either have to attend more ReLoCo events out get out. ;)
[00:59] <thafreak> I'm going to try and modify it a bit (and remove the ubuntu hour parts), just leave the general contact info up
[00:59] <thafreak> and hang some up at Kent...and maybe Akron too
[00:59] <Cheri703> thafreak: I know I said it like 80 times, but check spreadubuntu, there might be some that you like better :) there are some really nice ones that you can modify as needed
[00:59] <Cheri703> Unit193 and drkokandy, while you're here:
[00:59] <Cheri703> are either of you allergic to dogs?
[00:59] <thafreak> I didn't see any that looked generic enough :/
[01:00] <thafreak> maybe I'll make my own
[01:00] <Cheri703> ah, ok
[01:00] <thafreak> I'm not a super designer, but I'll give it a go
[01:00] <Cheri703> I'm a big fan of modifying existing stuff :) like download 3 or 4 and then mix and match bits
[01:00] <Cheri703> hence why I have a folder of ubuntu propaganda >_<
[01:00] <drkokandy> I don't think so Cheri703 - just some cats I think
[01:00] <dzho> so, the meeting over?
[01:00] <Unit193> Cheri703: No, but I'm a bit jumpy at times. >_>
[01:00] <thafreak> nice, well maybe I can give you more to add to that folder
[01:00] <Cheri703> ok, was thinking: perhaps ubuntu hour at my house? not sure if Unit193 can get there easily?
[01:00] <thafreak> I'd like to use the ohio loco logo
[01:00] <Cheri703> thafreak: sounds good :D
[01:01] <Cheri703> oh, I made one with the CoF inside the ohio flag for my conference card
[01:01] <Cheri703> want the svg?
[01:01]  * dzho wonders if it's safe to crack wise again ;-)
[01:01] <thafreak> yes please
[01:01] <Cheri703> it's not the "official" logo, but I think it works
[01:01] <Cheri703> one moment please :)
[01:01] <thafreak> k, you can even share it on ubuntu one if you want
[01:02] <Cheri703> eh, just emailed it
[01:02] <thafreak> Does anyone know if it's possible to share a folder on ubuntu one with an entire launchpad team?
[01:02] <Cheri703> Unit193 and drkokandy, I'm just a bit south of downtown Mansfield
[01:02] <thafreak> Cheri703: cool, thanks
[01:03] <Cheri703> thafreak: I'd think you'd need to make it public, and then share the link via mailing list or forum. not 100% sure that's the only way though
[01:04] <thafreak> cool, well, I gotta run, it sounds like my wife is watching the CMA's...need to go prevent that from happening...
[01:04] <Cheri703> hehe, godspeed!
[01:04] <dniMretsaM> thafreak: you could probably through it on Bazaar branch. that might be impractical for some people, though
[01:04] <dniMretsaM> throw*
[01:06] <drkokandy> I'm sure I could get there Cheri703
[01:06] <drkokandy> but would it be better to have it in a public place so we could publicize it online?
[01:06] <drkokandy> like on the cal & etc?
[01:06] <Cheri703> true I guess...
[01:07] <Cheri703> I'll do some scouting for locations.
[01:07] <drkokandy> if there's another place that's more convenient, I'm happy to change to another place
[01:07] <drkokandy> I think you mentioned a McD that might work
[01:07] <Cheri703> I had some issues getting home the other night, not 100% sure if because my battery lost charge while plugged in for many days or if just dying :s
[01:07] <Unit193> There's one right down from me. :---D
[01:07] <Cheri703> that one's not re-built yet Unit193!
[01:08] <Cheri703> I'd been thinking the one on trimble perhaps
[01:08] <Unit193> Just opened.
[01:08] <Cheri703> ah, ok
[01:08] <drkokandy> if you
[01:08] <drkokandy> whoops
[01:08] <drkokandy> if you're worried about your battery or if you don't want to drive as the weather gets worse, I'd be happy to pick you up
[01:09] <Cheri703> ah, thanks!
[01:09] <Cheri703> that might work :)
[01:09] <drkokandy> but of course I usually run pretty close to the wire, so we might be late ^_^
[01:09] <drkokandy> ^_^;
[01:09] <Unit193> Not a problem, I *will* be late. :/
[01:10] <Cheri703> no worries. I am kind of anal about being on time/early, but I don't complain if someone else is driving me! :)
[01:10] <drkokandy> oh, by the way - the Ubuntu Hours we just removed from the calendar are still up at wiki.ubuntu.com/Hour
[01:10] <Cheri703> ok, thanks! I'll go see what can be done about those
[01:11] <Cheri703> yep, done
[01:11] <drkokandy> oh, sorry
[01:11] <drkokandy> it was telling me I couldn't change it
[01:11] <Cheri703> I changed it. I might have different permissions than you do
[01:12] <drkokandy> most likely
[01:19] <Unit193> While I'm fine having a list of teams up, I'd not be a great (tor)montor, but I'd guess I could point to the right direction.
[01:20] <Cheri703> I think we could have some indicator saying "willing to mentor" or not.
[01:20] <Cheri703> just saying which teams you're on would still be helpful for folks I think
[01:25] <Unit193> Cheri703: TWC been a tad more spotchy than normal?  Did your IP change as well?
[01:26] <Cheri703> uhm....maybe?
[01:26] <Cheri703> I upgraded my speed because I had to upload a 5gb file for work and it was taking >12 hours and errored out like 3 times >_<
[01:27] <Unit193> Oi, fun...  Those times I'm glad for rsync.
[01:27] <Cheri703> amazon s3 :/
[01:27] <Unit193> Ours hasn't changed since October '11, now here and another place had it change.
[13:54] <dzho> whee.  upgraded to Lucid on the home laptop
[15:21] <thafreak> YES!!!!