[10:42] <Seeker`> any idea why the 0.25 package didn't build last night? As far as I can tell, it hasn't even tried yet
[16:35] <tgm4883> Seeker`, it would appear this "github.com[0: <IP_ADDRESS>]: errno=Connection timed out"
[16:35] <Zinn> [<IP_ADDRESS>] GitHub - Social Coding
[16:36] <Seeker`> tgm4883: ah, fun
[16:36] <Seeker`> github has been yoyoing a bit recently
[17:33] <superm1> Seeker`: yeah first thing to do if a build isn't showing up is to check smithers' build log at http://smithers.mythbuntu.org/~autobuild/weekly_mythtv.txt
[17:33] <Zinn> [smithers.mythbuntu.org] N/A
[17:34] <Seeker`> superm1: didn't know about that, will bookmark it
[17:34] <Seeker`> I'm hoping the next build works so I can have BD/VIDEO_TS playback back
[20:08] <tgm4883> Seeker`, I just kicked off another build, so hopefully that will complete successfully and you'll have a build in the next hour
[22:03] <karl370> I'm running mythbuntu 11.04.   I noticed that mythtv 0.24.2 has been released, but when I check the version in system status, it shows version 0.24.  I've done the normal updates within this version, but in Update Manager, there's an upgrade to Ubuntu 11.10.  What is the path that I should take to get the latest version of Mythtv?
[22:03] <tgm4883> karl370, http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos
[22:03] <Zinn> [www.mythbuntu.org] Mythbuntu Repositories | Mythbuntu
[22:04] <tgm4883> !repos
[22:04] <Zinn> The Mythbuntu team provides updates for MythTV and Mythbuntu package using the Mythbuntu Repos http://mythbuntu.org/repos
[22:21] <karl370> thanks guys.  Installing the mythbuntu-repos ended up installing some more apps.  In system status it shows "mythfrontend version: 0.24 (v0.24.2-9-g892628e)".  Is this actually myth version 24.1 (which it shows on the mythbuntu website) or 24.2?
[22:22] <tgm4883> karl370, did you read the page?
[22:22] <karl370> yes, but it was unclear to me
[22:22] <tgm4883> how so?
[22:23] <karl370> it says that it will install all updates within 24.x, which would make me believe it would get 24.2.  But, also on that same page, it says that 0.24.1 has been released, with no mention of 24.2
[22:24] <tgm4883> ok
[22:24] <tgm4883> so point releases (eg. 0.24.1, 0.24.2) are just snapshots of the 0.24 mythtv branch.
[22:26] <tgm4883> technically speaking, if you run 0.24.x from the mythbuntu repos, you are not running 0.24.2, you are running something better than 0.24.2 (because it contains 0.24.2 + every fix committed to the 0.24.2 branch since release)
[22:26] <tgm4883> The only reason there is a 0.24.2 release, is because the MythTV folks didn't want to go so long without there being a release (being that they have committed so many fixes to the 0.24.2 branch)
[22:26] <tgm4883> *0.24 branch
[22:27] <tgm4883> I didn't make a blog post on the 0.24.2 release, because honestly it wasn't that big of a deal (it's not a 0.25 release) and I had forgotten that I had previously done a 0.24.1 post
[22:27] <tgm4883> Does that clear it up?
[22:29] <karl370> Yes, that clears it up. Thank you.
[22:30] <tgm4883> yw
[22:30] <karl370> Given that .25 has not been released yet, would you recommend doing the .25 or sticking with .24?
[22:30] <tgm4883> stick with 0.24
[22:31] <tgm4883> 0.25 should release in the next few months. I myself am using the 0.25 branch, and I've accepted the issues I'm dealing with
[22:32] <karl370> Great, that's what I'll do then.  I keep checking the mythtv.org site & it's so long between updates & I've never heard anything definitive about when .25 will be released.
[22:33] <tgm4883> karl370, it was on their mailing list shortly ago, feature freeze for 0.25 should be this coming week
[22:34] <karl370> very cool. I'm excited, b/c of what I've read about it.
[22:35] <karl370> How about doing the dist upgrade?  Would that screw up Myth?
[22:37] <tgm4883> are you using mythbuntu or ubuntu+mythtv?
[22:37] <karl370> mythbuntu
[22:37] <tgm4883> you shouldn't get unity in a mythbuntu upgrade, but check the topic for known issues
[22:39] <karl370> I had tried using ubuntu+mythtv.  Perhaps it was because of my lack of knowledge, but certain things didn't work as well, like making the video images full screen without the top or bottom bars.
[22:39] <karl370> so I wiped it out & installed mythbuntu.  It worked pretty seamlessly.
[22:39] <tgm4883> karl370, yea it works pretty well
[23:00] <Seeker`> tgm4883: thanks, that build works


[19:38] <webczat> hello
[19:38] <webczat> does the newest ubuntu dev livecd play a sound when booted?
[20:16] <webczat> I have a problem, when I boot up the development livecd
[20:17] <webczat> then unity2d is not accessile, the bridge does not work, probably does not load. any workarounds?
[20:49] <AlanBell> webczat: the live USB didn't for me, I am going to try the CD shortly, there are problems with it booting muted sometimes
[22:14] <webczat> AlanBell: I think qt-at-spi may be misplaced or something. the bridge is probably not recognized, if it is, then i still cannot reliably switch windows to check on a terminal.
[22:15] <webczat> and the installation program encounters an error so I also can't permanently put this thing on my virtual disk
[22:31] <AlanBell> just installing in a virtualbox VM now, the drums are there
[22:32] <AlanBell> the desktop isn't quite right, doesn't speak for the dash, I am doing an install now and it is speaking the installer like it used to (badly)
[22:33] <AlanBell> I think I will have a go at changing some of the ubiquity strings, I really don't like the reference to Windows that is hard coded in it
[22:40] <webczat> AlanBell: anyway, qt-at-spi is not loaded cause I can't see any windows for qt and dash/etc is not read, this is unity2d probably
[22:42] <AlanBell> webczat: fancy an all expenses paid trip to America? http://uds.ubuntu.com/participate/sponsorship/
[22:43] <webczat> I'm not going anywhere
[22:43] <webczat> :)
[22:44] <AlanBell> :) it was just a thought, sponsorship requests close on Tuesday it seems
[22:44]  * webczat nods


[17:21] <belkinsa> pleia2, tsimonq2 asked me to poke you.  So, I'm poking you.  :D
[17:23] <pleia2> belkinsa: for?
[17:23] <tsimonq2> oh hai pleia2 :D
[17:36] <belkinsa> pleia2, for nothing, just a friendly poke for good luck.
[21:40] <pleia2> people have started making their own... who do we poke to update https://community.ubuntu.com/release-widget/ ?
[21:44]  * pleia2 submits bug (even though the 14.10 one is still "in progress" hopefully someone looks at these bugs)
[21:46] <belkinsa> pleia2, is there a way to access the code for each page of community.ubuntu.com?
[21:47] <pleia2> belkinsa: no, it's in wordpress
[21:47] <pleia2> so it's edited via the wordpress interface
[21:48] <belkinsa> Ah, I see.  I wanted to work on this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community-website/+bug/1322311
[21:50] <pleia2> belkinsa: yeah, I've always just described exactly what I want the change to be, "on this page, please put..."
[21:50] <pleia2> then they can copy it from the bug into wordpress
[21:51] <belkinsa> Okay.  Let me see if I can write what is needed.
[21:51] <belkinsa> I can write the suggested line but I don't know where it can be placed on the site.
[22:00] <belkinsa> pleia2, did you see this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community-website/+bug/1492699?  I think it's related to yours.
[22:00] <pleia2> belkinsa: that's why I said "even though the 14.10 one is still "in progress" hopefully someone looks at these bugs"
[22:00] <pleia2> 1492699 is the 14.10 one :)
[22:01] <belkinsa> Ah, I see.


[05:59] <coolbhavi> mhall119, wendar ajmitch ping
[06:02] <ajmitch> coolbhavi: hello
[06:04] <coolbhavi> ajmitch, on extras.ubuntu.com I see the last sync update which happened between the extras PPA and the repo is 18th august. Can someone run the cron again if they have access or whom to contact in this regard?
[06:06]  * ajmitch blames the datacentre move
[06:06] <ajmitch> #canonical-sysadmin may know more about that
[06:09]  * ajmitch can ask there if you want
[06:10] <coolbhavi> ajmitch, yes please but I too read the mail a week back and extras.ubuntu.com wasnt there in the services affected list sent
[06:11] <ajmitch> yes, but there were a whole lot of services not listed that were broken
[06:11] <coolbhavi> ah ok thanks for that I'll ask there now
[06:11] <ajmitch> I'll mail the ticket tracker for that
[06:12] <ajmitch> I've asked in #c-s
[06:12] <coolbhavi> ok thanks ajmitch
[06:16] <ajmitch> mailed them now
[06:17] <coolbhavi> ajmitch, thanks a lot again!
[06:18] <ajmitch> np, thanks for spotting it
[06:20] <ajmitch> by the way, I won't be able to make it to the next scheduled meeting, and 4 of the team are set to expire frmo the ARB in about 3 weeks
[06:20] <ajmitch> we should probably sort out what to do on the mailing list
[06:21] <coolbhavi> sure ajmitch btw isnt ARB a 2 year term?
[06:21] <ajmitch> yes, it's been that long
[06:21] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/~app-review-board/+members
[06:22] <ajmitch> it was originally meant to be a 6-month term
[06:23] <coolbhavi> yes read the charter and the draft the other day.. Please reapply :)
[06:23] <coolbhavi> again
[06:24] <coolbhavi> btw I just pushed the publish button on 2 apps and realised the cron hadnt run for the past week
[06:25] <ajmitch> probably good timing given that we want to talk about completely replacing the process
[06:26] <ajmitch> though it takes time to set up a vote & run it
[06:26]  * ajmitch shall mail the list about it tonight
[06:26] <coolbhavi> ajmitch, yes
[06:30] <coolbhavi> on a personal note 3 votes is good but the amount of apps we recieve doing a manual review everytime is a bit time consuming
[06:33] <ajmitch> yes
[06:34] <ajmitch> coolbhavi: after this coming week I'll be able to get back to things, but 2 weeks after that I'll lose access :)
[06:35] <coolbhavi> ajmitch, another thing I observed 4 members going to term end means that leaves jocarter and me active maybe we have to postpone meetings.. ah reapply please you were  the original guys who set this up :)
[06:35] <ajmitch> heh
[06:35] <ajmitch> hi dpm :)
[06:35] <coolbhavi> hey dpm
[06:36] <coolbhavi> :)
[06:36] <coolbhavi> ajmitch, :)
[06:36] <ajmitch> coolbhavi: remeber that jocarter is leaving, so that'd leave you as the ARB ;)
[06:36] <dpm> hey ajmitch and coolbhavi ;)
[06:36] <coolbhavi> ajmitch, lol
[06:36] <ajmitch> you've been doing such a good job of it lately too
[06:36] <coolbhavi> thanks
[06:36]  * ajmitch is just busy most nights at the moment
[06:37] <ajmitch> and then my desktop pc had to die yesterday :)
[06:37] <coolbhavi> hdd went on sick leave? :)
[06:38] <ajmitch> seems to be power supply
[06:38] <coolbhavi> ah ok :)
[06:38] <ajmitch> or something more serious, since it powers down within a second or two of turning it on
[06:38] <coolbhavi> might be issue with smps then
[06:38] <ajmitch> I was going to replace it when I got back from UDS (in may)
[06:39] <coolbhavi> hmm
[06:39] <ajmitch> so it's just getting replaced a little later on, I was putting that off :)
[06:39] <coolbhavi> :)
[06:40] <coolbhavi> ok off to work bye ajmitch and dpm
[06:40] <ajmitch> bye
[06:40] <ajmitch> have a good day at work
[06:40] <coolbhavi> thanks a lot
[06:40] <dpm> yeah, enjoy!
[06:40] <dpm> (as much as one can enjoy work ;)
[06:40] <ajmitch> heh
[06:40] <ajmitch> friday evening here, so I can sort of relax :)
[06:40] <dpm> :)
[06:41]  * coolbhavi takes a look at the review queue and lists up his todo for weekend
[06:41] <coolbhavi> bye all again :)
[06:41] <ajmitch> dpm: so as I was telling coolbhavi, 4 of us expire soon on https://launchpad.net/~app-review-board/+members
[06:43] <dpm> Ah, good point, I see it, yes
[06:43] <ajmitch> I was going to mail the list about it, it should probably come up in the discussion about a new process
[06:44] <dpm> yeah, good point
[06:44] <ajmitch> since we should probably vote in new people, but might want to defer that vote until a new process is agreed upon
[06:45] <dpm> I agree, emphasizing the 'is agreed upon' part rather than 'is implemented', as it will still take a while until all the pieces in the spec come into place
[06:46] <ajmitch> by awhile, I'd expect a few months given what I've read in the spec about the sandboxing & apparmour profile generation
[06:47] <dpm> yeah, I think these are the most essential parts of the spec that will need to be finished before it all goes into production
[06:47] <dpm> btw, have you had the chance to have a look at it? If so, what do you think about the new process proposal?
[06:48]  * ajmitch thinks one of the bigger problems will be social acceptance, there's enough of a backlash around the walled garden app stores that only allow crippled apps
[06:48] <ajmitch> I've read through it
[06:48] <ajmitch> emphasising that this is not the only way to get apps in ubuntu is important for people to accept the sandboxing
[06:49]  * ajmitch has to read through it a few more times & write up some notes about it :)
[06:50] <ajmitch> a quick search shows http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/the-mac-app-sandbox/ as an example of reactions to sandboxing
[07:06] <dholbach> good morning
[07:06] <ajmitch> hi dholbach
[07:07] <dholbach> hi ajmitch
[07:07]  * ajmitch shoudl count up how many channels dholbach says good morning in :)
[07:07] <dholbach> :)
[07:07] <ajmitch> all of a sudden irssi lit up with activity
[07:08] <ajmitch> how are you today?
[07:08] <dholbach> doing well, thanks :)
[07:08] <dholbach> how are you?
[07:08] <dholbach> how's life down there?
[07:09] <ajmitch> good, busy...
[07:09] <ajmitch> got pycon in 1 week, my desktop pc died yesterday, noticed that I expire from the ARB in 3 weeks... ;)
[07:09] <ajmitch> just the usual
[07:10] <dholbach> how's that "the usual"? :)
[07:10] <dholbach> did you have a backup for your desktop pc?
[07:10] <ajmitch> not really, but it seemed to be the power supply that's died
[07:11] <dholbach> ah, so the disk and everything else is still fine
[07:11] <dholbach> ?
[07:12] <ajmitch> I hope so :)
[07:12] <ajmitch> it was overdue for replacement anyway
[07:12]  * ajmitch has mostly been using the laptop for any real work
[07:14] <dholbach> yeah, same here - I haven't touched the desktop machine I have for a long time :)
[07:15]  * ajmitch has a new laptop arriving in a few days frmo zareason, too
[07:16] <dholbach> nice
[07:16] <dholbach> very nice
[07:16] <ajmitch> hopefully :)
[07:17] <ajmitch> it's so nice to have a company in NZ that sells systems with ubuntu pre-installed :)
[07:17] <dholbach> yeah :)
[07:32]  * dpm reads ajmitch's sandboxing link
[07:33] <ajmitch> dpm: it's something where I'm worried there can be a substantial backlash if not implemented & communicated well
[07:34] <dpm> ajmitch, I agree. We were actually talking about it yesterday with Jono and mhall. In any case, our sandbox should be fairly permissive
[07:35] <dpm> here's a first cut at the UI, which shows the permissions too: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppDevUploadProcess?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=MyApps%2B-%2BSecurity%2Btab.png
[07:36] <dpm> but this might still be subject to change before we do the public announcement to review the spec
[07:38] <ajmitch> looks reasonable for a start, I imagine that we'd add to the available permissions over time
[07:54] <dpm> yeah, and in fact this list is still under discussion


[12:16] <twb> Mithrandir: hey, does feisty's casper do netbooting yet?
[12:58] <Hansin321> I read somewhere (links from Ubuntu Developers Conference in Mtn. View I think) that one goal is to get a smoother transition from start-up to actually being in the system (whether GDM/KDM/XDM or in the DE itself).  I have a multi-boot system and threw on OpenSUSE 10.2 to just check it out.  I feel Ubuntu is a better overall experience, but OpenSUSE does have a nice boot sequence screen, where you can show/hide the details of the boot process in a n
[12:58] <Hansin321> ice font.  I assume this uses the framebuffer.  Something like this would probably go a long way to make Ubuntu look more professinal and polished as a first impression.  Let me know if I am out of place posting this in this IRC channel.  Thanks.
[12:59] <kylem> opensuse is probably using rhgb, i'd guess?
[01:01] <Hansin321> Not sure what is uses, but it does look pretty nice.  I'll have to some digging and figure that out.
[01:06] <Amaranth> rhgb is a hack
[01:08] <Hansin321> I was told it is from www.bootsplash.org
[01:11] <Hansin321> I just verifed in the opensuse directory that it is using this.
[01:32] <tenco> hi
[01:32] <tenco> i wanted to test gnome beta 1 aka 2.17.90 without going through garnome hassle
[01:33] <tenco> are there already 2.17.90 gnome debugging packages for feisty available?
[01:33] <jrib> tenco: you want #ubuntu+1 for support with feisty
[01:33] <tenco> ok
[03:32] <bddebian> Heya
[11:21] <Keybuk> why the hell isn't there an execvpe() ?
[11:55] <Mez> Keybuk, usually the answer to questions like that is "to annoy you"
[03:47] <whoppix> hey all :) im just wondering if there is a special reason, why "libpoe-perl" is in version 0.3203 (edgy), while the official stable version is 0.9917? (CPAN) the old version in the repositorys is kinda outdated, the api has changed, and its not really compatible to the new POE modules.
[04:08] <cypher1> !seen
[04:33] <bddebian> Heya
[05:28] <nox-Hand> Hey
[05:28] <nox-Hand> When installing from a 6.06 CD, can I update the installer inside the liveCD?
[05:31] <pochu> nox-Hand: join #ubuntu :)
[05:33] <nox-Hand> pochu: Already there :-) I guessed it'd be a dev question
[05:33] <pochu> nox-Hand: it isn't ;)
[05:33] <nox-Hand> pochu: Laters then ;) Cheers
[05:33] <lotusleaf> nox-Hand: #ubuntu-offtopic #ubuntuforums have fun ppl
[05:34] <nox-Hand> lotusleaf: It was not a fun question. It was an install upgrade question ;)
[05:34] <lotusleaf> nox-Hand: they field questions, too very often ;)
[05:34] <nox-Hand> Hehe
[05:34] <lotusleaf> :D
[06:08] <Q-FUNK> is there an e-mail address for ubuntu-printing team via which they can be reached?
[06:18] <gnomefreak> Q-FUNK: it should be on their LP page
[06:19] <Q-FUNK> gnomefreak: no e-mail address there.
[06:19] <gnomefreak> Q-FUNK: can i see the link pleas
[06:19] <gnomefreak> e
[06:19] <gnomefreak> except a local team
[06:20] <Q-FUNK> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-printing
[06:20] <ivoks> Q-FUNK: what's the problem?
[06:21] <Q-FUNK> ivoks: I need to poll the opinion of the team on a certain issue.
[06:21] <ivoks> about what? :)
[06:21] <Q-FUNK> ivoks: cups-pdf.
[06:22] <Q-FUNK> ivoks: but it would be simpler to just send an e-mail to the whole team than to explain now to you and re-explain later.
[06:22] <gnomefreak> i only found doko's address not a team address. maybe file a bug report as the poll?
[06:24] <ivoks> well, i really don't know how you could do that, except sending email to all members
[06:24] <ivoks> i don't say you should do that, but... nothing else comes to my mind...
[06:24] <Q-FUNK> ivoks: that's why I was askign if there is any mailing list for that team.
[06:25] <ivoks> gnomefreak: i think martin or till would be better option, cause they are involved in development, triage and planing of printing
[06:26] <gnomefreak> i went with matthias because he is owner
[06:29] <BenC> anyone running latest feisty and have an atheros card?
[06:30] <BenC> Someone willing to test some new lrm packages with updates madwifi
[06:30] <gnomefreak> nope sorry :(
[07:09] <Orby> could someone tell me what version the herd3 .iso has on it.
[07:09] <Orby> *kernel
[07:10] <pochu> Orby: 2.6.20-6, I think
[07:11] <Orby> ah perfect :)
[07:11] <Orby> thanks
[07:11] <Nafallo> .11
[07:11] <pochu> :)
[07:11] <Orby> ah
[07:11] <Orby> even better :D
[07:23] <farruinn> sorry this isn't exactly development related, but how can I find out what kernel modules are included for an install disc w/o burning the disc?
[07:24] <Nafallo> loopmount it
[07:24] <Nafallo> or ignore me btw :-)
[07:24] <farruinn> Nafallo: I did, but I'm not seeing the filesystem that the installer uses.
[07:26] <farruinn> is it loaded from boot/initrd.gz or boot/isofs.b?
[07:26] <farruinn> or is there somewhere I can see what packages are used to make the installer cd?
[08:10] <bluefox_> meh.
[08:11] <bluefox_> why can't I do that with gnome vo.ov
[08:11] <bluefox_> We've got great ACPI
[08:11] <Kano> man hdparm
[08:12] <Kano> or install laptop-mode-tools
[08:13] <Kano> laptop-mode-tools - Scripts to spin down hard drive and save power
[08:13] <bluefox_> Kano:  hdparm lets me do it 'now"
[08:14] <bluefox_> not in X minutes or Xd minutes if on battery
[08:14] <Kano> well use the laptop-mode-tools
[08:14] <bluefox_> also I'm more thinking of standbying and low-powering desktop machines
[08:55] <geser> keescook: you missed to include the orig.tar.gz in the new gnupg2 upload
[08:55] <keescook> geser: yeah, I just re-up'd it now.  :P
[08:55] <geser> keescook: thanks for uploading
[08:56] <keescook> sure, sorry I took so long!
[08:56] <geser> I got the mail just now
[08:58] <geser> keescook: np, you got it uploaded before the UVF
[08:59] <keescook> :)
[08:59] <pitti> hey keescook
[08:59] <keescook> hiya pitti!
[10:09] <pitti> hi zul
[10:34] <mooey> howdy. im trying to fix a bug in an ubuntu package, but rebuilding it with dpkg-buildpackage fails, is this the correct place to ask for some help?
[10:34] <sistpoty> mooey: #ubuntu-motu is more appropriate
[10:34] <mooey> thanks, sistpoty
[10:34] <sistpoty> np
[10:42] <troy_s> Sorry if this is the wrong forum, but how do I force Ubuntu to display the update manager with a baloon hint? (for testing)
[10:45] <pitti> troy_s: downgrade a package
[11:00] <rc-1> how do you get in the GNU/Linux repos? (my servers not done yet but when it is i would like to put it/the client in there if possible)
[11:01] <Burgundavia> rc-1: sorry, I don't understand what are you looking for
[11:02] <Burgundavia> are you looking to help with development of Ubuntu?
[11:02] <Burgundavia> are you looking to mirror the ubuntu repositories?
[11:02] <rc-1> Burgundavia, nothing yet, but when i finish my project i was wondering how i would apply to be in the ubuntu repository
[11:02] <rc-1> no how to apply to be included in them
[11:02] <Burgundavia> you want to help mirror the ubuntu repositories?
[11:03] <rc-1> to add a new program to them
[11:03] <Burgundavia> ah
[11:03] <Burgundavia> in that case, go to #ubuntu-motu
[11:03] <Burgundavia> they can help you get a new program into Ubuntu
[11:06] <rc-1> Burgundavia, thanks :)
[11:06] <Burgundavia> rc-1: no worries


[17:30] <trippeh> Hm. Something something module autoloading during initramfs seems to be borked with kernel 3.16-git (upstream)
[17:30] <trippeh> On 14.04
[17:38] <apw> trippeh, any specific module?
[17:40] <trippeh> ahci.ko didnt get loaded, but loads fine on modprobe after dropping to initramfs-shell. I still cant get it to finish boot though, seems like something related to dm-crypt is failing too.
[17:41] <trippeh> so I'm guessing something is just rong with autoloading in general
[17:42] <trippeh> 3.15.4-rc with similar config works fine.
[21:50] <trippeh> Hm. udev is supposed to start during initramfs right?
[21:58] <trippeh> hmm. starts ok if I start it manually within the initramfs shell
[21:58] <trippeh> odd.
[22:01] <trippeh> udev didnt start by itself, but only with 3.16
[22:14] <trippeh> onto something
[22:16] <trippeh> oh. /sys/kernel/uevent_helper seems to be gone, making the udev initramfs script fail before starting udev.
[22:17] <trippeh> -CONFIG_UEVENT_HELPER_PATH="/sbin/hotplug"
[22:17] <trippeh> +# CONFIG_UEVENT_HELPER is not set
[22:17] <trippeh> heh :)
[22:18] <trippeh> silly me
[22:19] <trippeh> kernel says "should not be used today"
[22:21] <trippeh> I'm thinking maybe the echo > /sys/kernel/uevent_helper is a relic of the past
[22:22] <trippeh> udev started and worked fine without it.
[22:24] <trippeh> ah yes. the echo is to disable it.
[22:25] <trippeh> but when disabled in the kernel build anyway, it doesnt exist anymore.
[22:25] <trippeh> so I guess it should have a if it exists, then try disabling it.
[22:26]  * trippeh rambles on
[22:29] <trippeh> wrapped it in a if and now it boots cleanly
[22:37] <phillw> scary things, these kernels!
[22:40] <trippeh> will re-enable the legacy kernel option and file a minor bug on initramfs-tools
[22:42] <phillw> trippeh: are we sticking with 3.15 for 14.10 release?
[22:43] <trippeh> not sure, I'm just an observer who breaks things :)
[22:45] <phillw> trippeh: ahh, I'm similar... I have a non-pae 3.13 kernel which I've added the aufs patches to :)
[22:47] <trippeh> err, its udev that should get the bug
[22:47] <trippeh> $ dpkg -S /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-top/udev
[22:47] <trippeh> udev: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-top/udev
[22:48] <trippeh> probably not worth fixing in 12.04/14.04, as its a non-ubuntu-standard configuration


[08:01] <dholbach> good morning
[17:17] <AlanBell> anyone know about 14.04 CDs? I just gave away my last 12.10 disc and I have just a handful of 12.04 left
[17:37] <pleia2> last I heard, we will get 14.04 DVDs, but there hasn't been specific news recently afaik
[17:45] <czajkowski> AlanBell: best to ping lococouncil
[17:46] <czajkowski> orders for 14.04 are a bit early at this stage though
[17:52] <jose> AlanBell, pleia2: as czajkowski, it's still early, Michelle told us we'd hear from her once it's all ready for pre-orders
[17:52] <jose> but yes, you guys will be getting your 14.04 DVD batch for the cycle
[17:55] <pleia2> thanks jose :)
[18:11] <belkinsa> !lococouncil
[18:11] <belkinsa> ping to all ^^^
[18:11] <ubot2`> The LoCo Council is coolbhavi, costales, jose, SergioMeneses, skellat and PabloRubianes - they are there to help, just ask! :) You can send them an email at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:12] <AlanBell> thanks jose
[18:16] <isaac___> Good to be here
[18:16] <isaac___> :)
[18:16] <BobJonkman2> Hi isaac___ !
[18:16] <BobJonkman2> Bye isaac___ ...
[18:36] <PabloRubianes> hello
[18:37] <PabloRubianes> sorry for the dealy
[18:37] <PabloRubianes> delay
[18:37] <jose> PabloRubianes: see email
[18:37] <jose> she quitted IRC
[18:37] <PabloRubianes> going, I was in a meeting
[18:38] <jose> sure :)
[21:40] <belkinsa> jose, ping.
[21:41]  * genii makes more coffee
[21:41] <belkinsa> Hey there, genii.
[21:41] <genii> Hi belkinsa :)
[21:45] <jose> belkinsa: pong
[21:45] <jose> sorry, was on the phone
[21:46] <belkinsa> It's cool, I pinged you guys in class and ended up not waiting for a reply.  But anyways, I think for whatever reason I said in that e-mail should not require that extra page for that draft or the Ubuntu Hour wiki page.
[21:47] <jose> ok, so I'll let the other people check and we'll let you know
[21:47] <jose> thanks again!
[21:48] <belkinsa> Not a problem.
[21:48] <belkinsa> Is there anything else to add to that page (the main one)?
[21:49] <jose> I think not - seems clear enough
[21:49] <belkinsa> Okay.


[01:44] <pleia2> meeting in ~15 minutes
[02:01] <pleia2> hi everyone
[02:01] <pleia2> #startmeeting
[02:01] <darthrobot> Meeting started Mon Aug 27 02:01:43 2012 UTC.  The chair is pleia2. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[02:01] <pleia2> who all is here for the meeting? :)
[02:01] <jyo> o/
[02:02]  * eps waves
[02:02] <pleia2> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/12August26
[02:02] <darthrobot> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/12August26 - Ubuntu Wiki]
[02:02] <pleia2> our agenda
[02:02] <pleia2> #topic Ubuntu Global Jam
[02:02] <pleia2> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam
[02:02] <darthrobot> Title: [UbuntuGlobalJam - Ubuntu Wiki]
[02:03] <pleia2> so, once a cycle the whole Ubuntu community does an Ubuntu Global Jam
[02:03] <pleia2> we didn't really participate last time (I met up with ebroder at a coffee shop last minute, but that hardly counts :))
[02:04] <pleia2> this time I'm going to host one in downtown San Francisco, focused on teaching folks how to do ISO testing
[02:05] <pleia2> we're 99% sure we have a venue, but I am waiting for a confirmation from andrew_wmf just so I know everything is good to go
[02:05] <pleia2> then we'll announce it all
[02:05] <pleia2> a project page for the team is set up if anyone else around the state wants to plan anything
[02:05] <pleia2> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/QuantalGlobalJam
[02:05] <darthrobot> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Projects/QuantalGlobalJam - Ubuntu Wiki]
[02:06] <pleia2> anyone have any comments? questions?
[02:07] <jtatum> Happy Sunday :)
[02:07] <pleia2> I'm doing a pretty organized jam this time around, but they can be pretty casual, we've done a couple that were at Bobby G's pizzeria
[02:08] <eps> Checking for conflicts ... well, you're scheduled against a Sumo Wrestling Demonstration: http://www.sfjapantown.org/Events/
[02:08] <darthrobot> Title: [Japantown San Francisco: Calendar]
[02:08] <pleia2> hehe
[02:09] <jyo> sounds good. I'll be busy that Saturday morning/early afternoon but I'll definitely drop by.
[02:09] <pleia2> great, I'm thinking of noon-4PM
[02:09] <pleia2> maybe 5 :)
[02:09] <pleia2> we'll order pizza around 1 probably
[02:10] <jtatum> For some reason I was thinking it was a 24 hour marathon. Hehe
[02:10] <pleia2> well, since it's actually 3 days it's 72 hours ;)
[02:11]  * eps can eat a lot of pizza in 72 hours
[02:11] <pleia2> but how long we can run a physical event it quite limited
[02:11] <toddc> stopped in to say hi!!
[02:11] <pleia2> (partially by the person running it, she doesn't want to do more than a 5 hour event right now)
[02:11] <pleia2> <-- she
[02:11] <pleia2> :)
[02:12] <pleia2> alright, well if anyone else wants to run a jam somewhere and has some questions, you know where to find me
[02:12] <pleia2> #topic Other upcoming events
[02:13] <pleia2> so, fates have conspired so that the next SF Ubuntu Hour lands 4 days after the jam ;)
[02:13] <pleia2> that's coming up on September 12th
[02:13] <pleia2> #link http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/1899/detail/
[02:13] <darthrobot> Title: [Ubuntu Hour San Francisco | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal]
[02:14] <pleia2> I emailed Jack to ask if we are participating in the Solano Stroll this year, it lands on September 9th
[02:14] <pleia2> (day after the jam, yikes!)
[02:14] <pleia2> he has been quite busy, but has contacted them to see if it's too late to reserve a table, so we'll see where that goes and do a call to the list for volunteers if needed
[02:15] <pleia2> anyone else have anything coming up? :)
[02:16] <eps> SCaLE in six months?
[02:16] <pleia2> yeah, I know Gareth has been in touch with nhaines about Ubucon
[02:17] <pleia2> I suspect we'll have a table again too (I just hope someone else runs it, speaking and booth running almost killed me last year :))
[02:17] <pleia2> er, this year
[02:18] <pleia2> #topic Any other business?
[02:18] <pleia2> so, anything else?
[02:18] <pleia2> Mt View ubuntu hour the other night was fun, got to see jtatum, jyo and jledbetter (that's a lot of Js!)
[02:19] <jtatum> Thanks for coming, pleia2. If anyone in this part of the world needs CDs, let me know.
[02:20] <eps> Start burning 12.04.1 LTS ;-)
[02:20] <jtatum> Or drop by the next UH :)
[02:21] <pleia2> this is totally on topic because it has penguins: https://www.calacademy.org/events/sleepovers/index.php
[02:21] <darthrobot> Title: [Academy Sleepovers | California Academy of Sciences]
[02:21] <pleia2> one for 21+ coming up on september 21st :)
[02:21] <pleia2> I bought a tauntaun sleeping bag and all
[02:23] <pleia2> ok, I guess that's it
[02:24] <pleia2> thanks everyone :)
[02:24] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[02:24] <darthrobot> Meeting ended Mon Aug 27 02:24:15 2012 UTC.
[02:24] <darthrobot> Minutes:        http://ihas.5cat.com/~darthrobot/ubuntu-us-ca/2012/ubuntu-us-ca.2012-08-27-02.01.moin.txt
[02:24] <jtatum> Thanks pleia2! Enjoy outside! :)
[02:24] <pleia2> will do!
[02:24]  * eps is more excited about Bacon (not Jono) Aug. 30
[02:26] <nhaines> Hmm, doesn't look like Ubuntu wants to install in a 64MB RAM environment.
[02:26] <nhaines> pleia2: taun-taun sleeping bag ++
[02:26] <eps> Is it all gooey inside?
[02:27] <toddc> ewww
[04:51] <nhaines> Yay, OCLUG mailing list is host to a debate saying that Evolution is not Open Source software because no one knows how its database is defined and cannot determine this from the source code.
[04:58] <akk> That would be a serious annoyance, if true. Evolution doesn't/can't use mbox files or maildir or anything?
[04:58] <akk> And "can't determine from the source code" I'm guessing means "it's crappy code and hard to read"
[04:58] <akk> rather than some kind of magic binary plug-in that implements the database.
[04:59] <akk> (that was what Netscape/Mozilla mail used to do, just after Netscape freed the source!)
[05:17] <philballew> Anything good in the meeting. I was busy traveling.
[05:19] <philballew> *meeting?
[06:02] <nhaines> akk: The argument seems to be that most peopel can't read source code, therefore it's not "open source".  He's pushing for "accessible source."
[06:03] <nhaines> I wrote a reply in German saying that the meaning of "open source" software was evident and did not depend on an understanding of specific code, just like the email was not "non-public" just because he didn't read German.
[06:21] <bkerensa> pleia2: if anyone will be needing some Firefox for Android Stickers let me know :) I should have a shipment coming in this week
[06:22] <bkerensa> they feature "Foxeh" from Japan :)
[18:34] <nhaines> pleia2: http://www.thinkgeek.com/eefd/
[18:34] <darthrobot> [R: www.thinkgeek.com] Title: [ThinkGeek :: Princess Leia Hoodie]
[18:35] <pleia2> ooh, they actually have my size in stock now
[18:35]  * pleia2 resists, tauntaun sleeping back already cost too much :)
[18:47] <bkerensa> pleia2: :P I know ThinkGeeks PR Firm I might be able to work something out lulz
[18:49] <pleia2> bkerensa: haha, thanks, but I'm saving up all my favors for the potential "send me to Ghana to deploy Ubuntu networks" soon ;)
[18:49] <bkerensa> lol
[18:50] <pleia2> lodging is covered, but the $1600 plane ticket is a bit painful right now (particularly since I'd be taking unpaid leave from work)
[18:50] <bkerensa> chipin.com
[18:50] <bkerensa> :)
[18:50] <pleia2> we'll see how things shake out though, still figuring out timing details
[18:50] <pleia2> yeah, there are a bunch of sites for it
[18:50] <bkerensa> I bet you could raise it if you blog about it with a chipin widget
[18:51] <pleia2> that's what I'm hoping, but we'll see


[07:16] <krampstudio> Hey, I'm making a scope for ubuntu touch. I've a question regarding category results : is there a way to update a result once pushed to the SearchReply ?
[07:22] <krampstudio> the use case is to display the results the quickest, start longer operations and update the results once the long operation is finished. Here I've some basic icons, but I'm crawling the website of each of my results to look for a better icon, but obviously this slows the display


[21:45] <PatD> Having issues with the etcd charm here. When we try to add a new etcd member, it still tries to connect to the old IP of etcd charm leader. (we are migrating etcd nodes). Is there a way to force juju to refresh its list from the etcd leader (leader_set)?


[14:29] <holmanb> minimal: did you have any concerns around changing the failure path in this case: datasource_list: [OpenStack, None]
[14:30] <holmanb> minimal: regarding no "None" fallback?
[14:35] <holmanb> minimal: looks like this has enough reviews to be merged
[14:35] <holmanb> *more than enough
[14:43] <holmanb> meena: good question regarding get_proc_env(1)
[14:44] <holmanb> meena: also sorry for the churn on is_virtual :/
[15:24] <minimal> have github changed the way repos look? just went to cloud-init page and the usual stuff that used to appear down the right-hand side such as License, Releases, etc is not there any more
[15:27] <holmanb> minimal: I looks normal to me (firefox)
[15:28] <minimal> holmanb: doh! user error, was looking at "canonical/cloud-init/cloudinit/" rather than "canonical/cloud-init"
[15:29] <minimal> holmanb: re the Openstack-related PR it wasn't clear to be if a DS list of ["Openstack"] was going to be treated in the same way or differently to ["OpenStack","None]
[15:30] <minimal> s/to be/to me/
[15:37] <holmanb> +1 minimal: gotcha. It should behave the same both ways.
[15:44] <minimal> holmanb: the change in sources/__init__.py, the new function "override_ds_detect treats ['XYZ'] and ['XYZ', 'None'] as being an override? whereas currently ['XYZ', 'None'] means that if XYZ cannot be used then None is used, i.e. with ['NoCloud', 'None'] currently if no "CIDATA" is provided then it will fallback to 'None' and use DHCP - with this change in place what happens in that scenario?
[16:06] <holmanb> minimal: It will still get to DataSourceNone, just after trying DataSourceOpenStack
[16:08] <holmanb> minimal: logs of this -> https://dpaste.org/BHGK3
[16:29] <minimal> ok
[19:33] <esv> hey folks, I am running a rhel7.9 on azure with cloud-init 19.4, I know, I know, it's old as shiii, but that's what I have to work with... my situation is the following, I replace the NIC but the ifcfg-eth0 file does not get regenerated, it keeps the old mac, but the server  still starts the new adapter as eth0 and uses it as a dhcp client.
[19:34] <esv> my question is why?? or how? , the adapter name remains as eth0
[19:43] <holmanb> esv: dhclient is managed/executed by cloud-init itself, outself of your distro's network manager
[19:44] <holmanb> esv - cloud-init will doesn't read your ifcfg-eth0 file, so any changes (or lack thereof) are ignored
[20:19] <esv> lol - now I am more confused, I've been involved in many situations where updating the hw in ifcfg-eth0 fixes the issues with the servers not picking the right ip address
[20:19] <esv> does that happen with setup.py ?
[20:20] <esv> in this particular customer situation, they commented out the MAC address of the adapter in ifcfg-eth0 and the server picked the network parameters right away
[20:33] <holmanb> esv: sure, adding the hwaddr in ifcfg-eth0 can help some scenarios in administering a box, but it's not going to affect the dhclient invocation, I don't think
[20:35] <holmanb> dhclient execution is defined here -> https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/d1ffbea556a06105d1ade88b4143ad43f53692c4/cloudinit/net/dhcp.py#L139
[20:36] <holmanb> however on rhel7 you're talking about a very different codebase - 19.x and python2, so I don't know exactly the scenario you're looking at
[20:36] <esv> thnx


[02:24] <tjaalton> infinity: still around? could you remove mesa-lts-vivid from trusty-proposed, or should I upload a revert? mesa in the trusty queue is the proper fix for bug 1424059
[02:25] <infinity> tjaalton: I can remove it.
[02:26] <tjaalton> cool
[06:43] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, Thank you very much for sponsoring last night.
[06:43] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, Sorry I'd messed up ubuntu-mate-settings, I really appreciate that you correct my mistake.
[08:04] <sil2100> seb128: hey! Maybe you could take a look and give a +1 to a bunch of new binary packages introduced by a train landing? :) The packaging changes themselves have already been signed off by Ken
[08:05] <sil2100> seb128: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-010-2-publish/80/
[08:05] <sil2100> seb128: it's a big diff... and it has a lot of fancy stuff in it
[08:05] <seb128> sil2100, hey, I guess I could, why do you use that channel rather than normal dev ones? I saw your ping the other day but I assumed you specifically wanted somebody from the release team for those
[08:06] <sil2100> seb128: it's basically a soname bump + the script to generate wily and vivid packages from one source
[08:06] <sil2100> seb128: yeah, might not be the right place indeed, I always think archive-admin stuff is closely related to release ;p
[08:06] <seb128> it's not ;-)
[10:42] <knome> hello release team, i thought i'd ask here for a potential fast ack before filing a bug
[10:44] <knome> so - we need an upload for the xubuntu docs, including some string changes (freeze yesterday) - it's only affecting us and we'd like to avoid paperwork - anybody can ack this live? :)
[10:46] <knome> lunch time now - i'll be back later :)
[10:48] <pitti> knome: seems fine to me, but please notify the translator ML (if you didn't yet)
[11:17] <knome> pitti, i won't, because those strings aren't translatable (yet) - but sure, we'll take care of things we need to, as always :)
[11:23] <knome> actually nvm, i misspoke, so i'll just send a mail :P
[11:25] <knome> actually nvm the nvm, we're translating upstream, not the package, so the strings have been translatable for a while already
[11:26]  * knome facepalms and backs off
[11:34] <bluesabre> knome: stop picking on pitti :P
[11:36] <knome> :)
[11:36] <knome> thanks bluesabre for the upload!


[00:27] <jrwren> what is TDM?
[00:27] <jrwren> hate bash???? *gasp*
[00:27] <jrwren> I love bash
[00:27] <rick_h_> team death match?
[00:29] <jrwren> ah.
[00:42] <snap-l> brousch: Can you  write it in Python. Sheesh.
[00:42] <snap-l> Also, we're not cool.
[00:43] <snap-l> http://hardocp.com/article/2011/07/26/thermalright_hr02_macho_cpu_air_cooler_review <- What the fuck?
[00:43] <snap-l> I'd be worried that the CPU fan would warp the mobo at that height.
[00:46] <snap-l> https://twitter.com/#!/joindiaspora/statuses/98186624780873728
[00:46] <snap-l> Seriously?
[00:47] <rick_h_> :)
[00:47] <rick_h_> love that
[00:48] <snap-l> There's just no good way to read that
[00:49] <snap-l> either a) they weren't running with a slave, and don't know much about MySQL, or b) They have such a crappy server that it couldn't take the replication load, and nobody coded the site to be run in read-only mode.
[00:49] <Blazeix> I'm pretty ignorant of diaspora, but isn't it decentralized?
[00:49] <Blazeix> is this just the main node?
[00:49] <snap-l> Maybe there's a combo of things, but seriously, adding a slave should be transparent
[00:50] <rick_h_> wsan't there some thing that to get it to work you had to register your node with the main node?
[00:50] <snap-l> Blazeix: This is the main node, but I'm not sure what would cause the downtime.
[00:50] <snap-l> Unless they're doing an upgrade as well
[00:50] <rick_h_> come on, why isn't it put out over diaspora vs on twitter?
[00:50] <rick_h_> I mean, if you're using it, wouldn't you be likely following them there?
[00:50] <snap-l> *cough*
[00:50] <rick_h_> snap-l: heh, time to to 4 to 5 transition :P
[00:51] <rick_h_> and dammit, stop using mysql ugh
[00:51] <snap-l> Apparently it's up
[00:51] <snap-l> Maybe someone got some sense.
[00:52] <rick_h_> you should volunteer, I hear htey have $$ to get some good sys admin help
[00:53] <snap-l> Yeah, that would be a great gig
[00:53] <snap-l> I mean, if I fucked up, would both of their users notice?
[00:54] <snap-l> "Woah, need some overtime. Gotta put in a new 'MySQL Slave' server".
[00:55] <snap-l> I mean shit, we practically juggled some of our slave servers.
[00:56] <brousch> snap-l: you see the sysadmin at gnu job opening?
[00:56] <snap-l> Yes
[00:56] <snap-l> I'd have to move to take a paycut
[00:57] <snap-l> Fascinated that they're using Apache, though
[00:57] <brousch> but freedom!
[00:57] <snap-l> I would have thought that wouldn't jive with the FSF
[01:20] <jjesse> who needs money when you are living on freedom
[02:13] <jrwren> is there a GNU web server?
[02:13] <jrwren> they should write one in lisp.
[02:31] <TeamXlink> Does anyone know why this isn't working:
[02:31] <TeamXlink> http://pastebin.com/rQuDBgnV
[02:31] <TeamXlink> http://pastebin.com/qKg2zQVN
[02:31] <TeamXlink> the second file is the index.php
[02:31] <TeamXlink> the first file is the index.html
[02:32] <TeamXlink> Its supposed to log the visitors ip to the file called: myvisitors
[02:35] <_stink_> TeamXlink: a php file isn't included as a script in an HTML file like a javascript file is.
[02:35] <TeamXlink> Oh.
[02:36] <_stink_> what you need is to run this on an instance of a web server that can run php
[02:37] <_stink_> TeamXlink: this might say more about getting started: http://w3schools.com/php/default.asp
[02:37] <_stink_> but i'm afk for a bit.  if you don't get it, i'm sure i/someone can help tomorrow.
[03:52] <Blazeix> https://twitter.com/#!/humble/status/98077015328038912
[03:52] <Blazeix> "@humble: All Humble Indie Bundle #3 customers get a free copy of Steel Storm: Burning Retribution!  http://t.co/NcNDZka "
[11:41] <snap-l> Blazeix: Yeah, that's awesome. :)
[12:48] <snap-l> http://decafbad.net/2011/08/02/echochasm-libre/
[12:49] <Wolfger> morning
[12:53] <rick_h_> party
[13:00] <jrwren> quick poll: do you look at the contents of files in /lost+found or do you just delete tehm all?
[13:01] <snap-l> jrwren: it depends
[13:01] <snap-l> am I missing something or aren't I
[13:01] <rick_h_> delete
[13:02] <jrwren> sure, but that assumes you notice it missing. what if you delete adn notice it missing 5 yrs from now :)
[13:03] <jrwren> i ask because my cron.daily emails me and tells me to clean 'em up.
[13:03] <snap-l> Then you live and learn?
[13:03] <snap-l> I guess my question is why are you collecting so much in lost+found in the first place
[13:03] <jrwren> ha! or I learn the easy way and check first the first time.
[13:03] <snap-l> and is it taking up so much space that it's becoming a problem?
[13:04] <jrwren> these are files from 2008-08-07 to 2009-02-03   :)
[13:04] <jrwren> no, not taking any space.
[13:04] <jrwren> I just want to limit the output of my cron.daily, to hopefully nothing so that I don't get email.
[13:04] <jrwren> and I want to do it the right way :)
[13:04] <snap-l> Frankly, I'd leave them there, or do a quick file on them to see what they might be
[13:04] <snap-l> and stop shutting down your filesystem uncleanly. ;)
[13:04] <jrwren> I'm lessing each one, so far its been stuff I don't care about.
[13:04] <jrwren> i can't help it if there is a power outage.
[13:05] <snap-l> Journaled Filesystem
[13:05] <jrwren> I'm too cheap for UPS
[13:05] <jrwren> this is ext3, sheesh, that doesn't mean things don't go to l+f
[13:05] <snap-l> Right
[13:06] <jrwren> I had one of those seagate drives with teh bad firmware for a while. that lead to lots of instability
[13:06] <snap-l> jrwren: Which one? ;)
[13:06] <snap-l> Seagate made some real stinkers
[13:07] <jrwren> it was a 750G IIRC but it was the one that was really noticed in their popular 1.5TB drives
[13:07] <jrwren> at least it runs cool.
[13:07] <jrwren> I have this 500GB Maxtor that runs hot as fire.
[13:07] <snap-l> Ah, was thinking of the 1GB one that I had to RMA
[13:08] <snap-l> which was also being used on one of our servers at WSU
[13:08] <snap-l> summarilly, each one of them went to hell
[13:08] <jrwren> was it that firmware issue?
[13:08] <jrwren> oh wait... 1GB not 1TB :)
[13:08] <jrwren> that would have been a WHILE ago :)
[13:08] <snap-l> Yeah, it was
[13:08] <jrwren> only 15 yrs or so
[13:08] <jrwren> err.. i guess not quite 15 yrs
[13:09] <jrwren> anyone else here use testdrive ? or is it just me?
[13:09] <snap-l> What's testdrive?
[13:10] <jrwren> zsync's an current ubundu-dev iso and boots it with KVM for you.
[13:10] <jrwren> its very sweet, but the 11.10 installer stops recognizing KB input for me when it asks me to create the default user.
[13:11] <snap-l> "I like this Craig Maloney » Post Topic » A simple object lesson on what’s wrong with the music industry – dumping , enjoyed this one appreciate it for posting keep update Craig Maloney » Post Topic » A simple object lesson on what’s wrong with the music industry – dumping." - Spammers aren't even trying anymore. ;)
[13:54] <_stink_> i have bought all 3 humble bundles, and played about 15 minutes total of the games included.
[13:56] <greg-g> I played a bit of world of goo
[13:56] <greg-g> "and yet it moves" looks like it might be a contender
[13:58] <snap-l> Heh. :)
[13:58] <snap-l> If anything it's giving people more games to play than just Frozen bubble
[14:03] <Wolfger> world of goo was entertaining for a day, then I kind of forgot it existed
[14:04] <Wolfger> whenever anybody mentions it, I remember it fondly...
[14:04] <greg-g> :)
[14:04]  * Wolfger wonders if goo exists for Android phones
[14:06] <Wolfger> doesn't look like it
[14:26] <brousch> snap-l: Whats the difference between a drummer and a drum machine?
[14:26] <brousch> You only have to punch the information into a drum machine once.
[14:42] <snap-l> Har har
[14:42] <snap-l> brousch: So, did you listen to Libre?
[14:43] <brousch> no, i have the page up though
[14:43] <brousch> i just got back from the dentist. will it be more pleasant than that?
[14:43] <snap-l> Maybe.
[14:45] <greg-g> depends on what happened at the dentist's
[14:46] <brousch> snap-l:  sounds good
[14:46] <brousch> just a cleaning. still no cavities
[14:49] <snap-l> Thanks. :)
[14:50] <brousch> i'd like to hear crazy drumming when it thins out at about 49s
[14:50] <snap-l> I was trying to go for something like FLA's Millenium
[14:51] <snap-l> Didn't quite get there, though
[14:53] <brousch> the end doesn't quite fit with the rest of it
[14:53] <brousch> so i love everything but the middle and the end
[14:53] <snap-l> Thank you. ;)
[14:54] <snap-l> Unfortunately, I didn't know how to end it, so I decided to nuke it from orbit. ;)
[14:56] <brousch> endings are hard, let's go nuking
[14:56] <brousch> oh, that reminds me, pyohio is over, i wanted to check out scratch
[14:57] <brousch> http://scratch.mit.edu/
[15:18] <brousch> I'm so proud of myself. I was wondering "where can I get free sound files?" i found it myself without having to ask greg-g
[15:23] <jcastro> hah
[15:23] <jcastro> this is so rick: http://danielchoi.com/software/vitunes.html
[15:26] <binbrain> jcastro: how's FL?
[15:27] <rick_h_> jcastro: hah, saw that. But where will I run iTunse?
[15:27] <rick_h_> there's no place to run it on in my house
[15:29] <jcastro> binbrain: pretty awesome I must say
[15:29] <snap-l> I'll go get the duck tape
[15:43] <greg-g> brousch: you get the special cookie for today
[15:52] <brousch> http://www.freesound.org/
[15:58] <greg-g> cool coo
[15:58] <greg-g> l
[16:27] <rick_h_> ugh, I'm still pyohio dragging
[16:40] <Wolfger> binbrain: Ask jcastro again after the first hurricane hits his city :-D
[16:41] <Wolfger> Surprise, surprise. At the last minute, politicians vote to raise their own debt ceiling.
[16:41] <Wolfger> I think I called that a month ago.
[17:03] <Wolfger> Shh. He's here now, quit talking about him.
[17:03]  * Wolfger is glad nullspace doesn't read the archives...
[17:12] <snap-l> I know we've given up on meaningful names, but this is just ridiculous: http://oreilly.com/catalog/9781449306595/
[17:12] <snap-l> Learning SPARQL
[17:18] <Wolfger> It's new and... you know... sparkly
[17:18] <Wolfger> I think it's a pretty nifty name, myself.
[17:19] <Wolfger> far better than MySQL or Postgres
[17:20] <Wolfger> DB2. MSSQL.
[17:20] <Wolfger> Oracle is a decent name for a database.
[17:20] <rick_h_> and this is why we don't let Wolfger run our IT depts :P
[17:21] <Wolfger> LOL
[17:21] <Wolfger> No.
[17:21] <Wolfger> I don't buy software based on the name.
[17:21] <Wolfger> But I can appreciate good marketing when I see it.
[17:22] <Wolfger> Come on... if I made decisions base on names, do you think I ever would have tried Kubuntu (gesundheit)?
[17:23] <rick_h_> sure, I heard your favorite letter was K
[17:26] <brousch> yeah, right. you use kubuntu because you love choqok
[17:26] <nullspace> hmm, I really have no urge to go to ohio linux fest for the talks
[17:27] <rick_h_> nullspace: yea, been that way for years
[17:28] <nullspace> the drive sucks, and the beer tickets are all gone by the time I get there
[17:28] <nullspace> rick_h_: how was pyohio?
[17:28] <jrwren> but you go to socialize, right?
[17:28] <rick_h_> very cool, http://blog.mitechie.com/2011/08/01/pyohio-2011-another-year-another-great-time/
[17:28] <rick_h_> jrwren: I skipped one year
[17:28] <jrwren> i haven't been in 4 yrs or so. i really want to go this year.
[17:28] <Wolfger> socialize? Beer!
[17:29] <rick_h_> I'm going this year and I htink lococast is going to get an OSS table
[17:29] <nullspace> nah I'm going to derbyCon
[17:29] <rick_h_> setup some mics and try to hang out and such
[17:31] <jrwren> cool.
[17:38] <ptenhoopen> Last year at Ohio Linux Fest, there was no shortage of drink tickets.
[17:39] <ptenhoopen> They were handing them out 10-15 at a time towards the end.
[17:39] <ptenhoopen> nagios flipped the bill
[17:39] <rick_h_> nice
[17:40] <ptenhoopen> Maybe that should have been 'footed'.
[17:40] <ptenhoopen> IDK
[17:52] <brousch> snap-l: jono just tweeted your remix
[17:59] <snap-l> Yeah, I saw that
[17:59] <brousch> yougoboy
[18:15] <brousch> rick_h_: did i miss a vim open space at pyohio?
[18:17] <rick_h_> brousch: no, just a guy was looking for me and we ended up chatting vim
[18:17] <brousch> ah, ok
[18:17] <rick_h_> I guess he was in one of the vim open spaces I did at OLF/PyOhio in years past and wanted to chat
[18:58] <snap-l> So, 3pm
[18:58] <snap-l> Tuesday afternoon
[18:59] <snap-l> Believe the "make the world a better place" goal for today is coming just a tad shy of completion
[19:00] <brousch> but you released some music. that makes the world better
[19:00] <snap-l> yeah, it does.
[19:01] <snap-l> Just getting ready for tomorrow's big meeting
[19:01] <snap-l> well, tomorrow's "shouldn't be a big meeting, but thanks to my current boss who believes that the only way to show progress is to schedule a big meeting" meeting
[19:01] <brousch> your big travelling meeting?
[19:01] <snap-l> That I'm not traveling for, yes. ;)
[19:02] <snap-l> tomorrow will be interesting.
[19:02] <brousch> you're so important they're setting you up with a virtual presence?
[19:02] <snap-l> yeah, Netmeeting
[19:02] <snap-l> It's like almost being there
[19:03] <snap-l> And a conference call bridge
[19:03] <brousch> not one of those segway-mounted monitors?
[19:03] <snap-l> It'll be almost like you can hear me being sarcastic
[19:03] <snap-l> brousch: No, we're the phone company, not fucking iRobot. ;)
[19:03] <brousch> weak
[19:05] <snap-l> heh
[19:05] <snap-l> well, sorry to disappoint
[19:29] <snap-l> http://ohiolinux.org/node/67 <- Oh God.
[19:30] <brousch> he was keynote or closing at indiana linuxfest, maybe ptenhoopen has some insights into how awesome he was
[19:30] <jrwren> freetard keynote
[19:31] <ptenhoopen> He was OK.  Seemed a bit self-centered.
[19:31] <jrwren> Imma make a cheerful that says "MIT > GNU" and wave it around during his keynote
[19:32] <ptenhoopen> Seemed to be very knowledgeable regarding licensing, patents, etc.
[19:32] <waldo323_> who is planning on going to OLF this year?
[19:32] <snap-l> Oh, no doubt.
[19:33] <jrwren> hitler was knowledgeable.
[19:33] <ptenhoopen> LOL
[19:33] <jrwren> yes, i went there. :)
[19:33] <ptenhoopen> I know of 2 others besides myself who are planning on going.
[19:34] <snap-l> I just registered.
[19:36] <rick_h_> oh crap, now I'm not going
[19:38] <jrwren> i'm not either. because of the date :(
[20:12] <snap-l> http://www.defectivebydesign.org/nook <- sigh
[20:14] <snap-l> "Do you use Twitter?  But please don't use Twitter on account of us."
[20:14] <snap-l> "Comment on news stories and reviews of the Nook to warn shoppers about its DRM."
[20:14] <brousch> so the nook is evil because it can read drm?
[20:14] <brousch> it can also read non-drm
[20:17] <snap-l> "Bring cans of spray-glue to your local B&N to and spray the devices down liberally. Then attach your cheek to them, symbolizing the stickiness of DRM"
[20:18] <brousch> ug
[20:19] <brousch> 3/4 of the books i read on my nook are sitting in my dropbox
[20:21] <TeamXlink> http://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/j4v6p/this_whole_discussion_is_amazing_top_comment_why/c29f4ny?context=1
[20:21] <TeamXlink> Title: "This whole discussion is amazing.  "
[20:22] <TeamXlink> http://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/commenThat guys a genius
[20:30] <jrwren> is kindle ok?
[20:45] <snap-l> jrwren: No, any DRM is bad
[20:49] <jrwren> is ITMS ok now, since they dont' DRM the mp3 anymore?
[20:58] <snap-l> I really hate corporate IT sites
[20:58] <snap-l> "Important: In order to get started with Live Meeting, you need to first Register for a Live Meeting Account.  Then, get assistance on how to properly setup your user preferences."
[20:58] <snap-l> Of course, the words "Register ...  I have a job interview Thursday.
[22:43]  * gamerchick02 does a happydance around her house
[22:44] <brousch> where at?
[22:45] <gamerchick02> MGA Testing.
[22:46] <gamerchick02> MGA Research. sorry
[22:46] <brousch> oooh, they have robots
[22:46] <gamerchick02>  hahaha!
[22:46] <gamerchick02> robots are awesome.
[22:46] <gamerchick02> it looks like sled testing and stuff
[22:47] <brousch> like snow sleds?
[22:47] <gamerchick02> crash sleds
[22:48] <gamerchick02> where they put car bits on it, crash it, and see how the dummy deforms the parts
[22:48] <brousch> fun
[22:48] <gamerchick02> usually for columns, i-shafts, wheels, etc
[22:49] <gamerchick02> i-shaft = intermediate shaft. please no shaft jokes
[22:49] <greg-g> none here
[22:49] <gamerchick02> :)
[22:50] <gamerchick02> i did a test at delphi with grease... yeah... i was describing it to my family: "so i had to grease the shaft and test the sliding force."
[22:50] <gamerchick02> yeah. *hands head in shame*
[22:53] <gamerchick02> no puns from the peanut gallery?
[22:57] <brousch> none necessary
[22:59] <gamerchick02> :)
[23:56] <snap-l> gamerchick02: Congratulations!
[23:57] <snap-l> Sounds like the stuff that was at Ford
[23:57] <gamerchick02> thanks. it's a testing place, and i have no idea what it's about.
[23:57] <snap-l> Means they'll do a lot of simulation
[23:57] <gamerchick02> i had a strange phone call, and it was like, boom, interview.
[23:57] <snap-l> Programs like Madymo, etc
[23:57] <snap-l> That's usually how that starts.
[23:57] <gamerchick02> no contact with them before the phone call "do you want an interview"
[23:58] <gamerchick02> uhm, YES!
[23:58] <gamerchick02> :)


[01:35] <savantelite_> so My 1st Time here setting up a backend mythtv. I installed mythtv through the ubuntu store.
[01:35] <savantelite_> Hostname?
[01:35] <savantelite_> Port?
[01:35] <savantelite_> Database name?
[01:38] <savantelite_> poor derek
[01:42] <tgm4883> savantelite_, likely you need to install the backend as well. I'm not entirely sure what gets installed if you just install mythtv
[01:43] <tgm4883> what are you trying to accomplish?
[01:43] <savantelite_> The back end I think is installed. It asked to install that.
[01:44] <savantelite_> my question is hostname or ip?    Do I just look at my connections and imput that ip?
[01:44] <tgm4883> use hostname
[01:44] <tgm4883> provided you can resolve hostnames to IP's on your network
[01:44] <Shadow__X> tgm4883: why wouldnt he just use ip and then know things will work
[01:45] <tgm4883> Shadow__X, too many users have dynamic IPs
[01:45] <tgm4883> plus, thats what hostnames are for :)
[01:45] <Shadow__X> dynamic ips are bad for you
[01:45] <tgm4883> not always
[01:46] <tgm4883> but yea, set up inproperly they are
[01:46] <savantelite_> I have a static IP on my router
[01:46] <tgm4883> which by default they are
[01:46] <savantelite_> For hostname it reads   localhost    by default
[01:47] <tgm4883> savantelite_, you have statically assigned ip's for your local network ?
[01:47] <savantelite_> Just my router
[01:47] <savantelite_> Will my router keep the rest of the machines with the same internal ip?
[01:48] <tgm4883> savantelite_, by default? probably not
[01:48] <savantelite_> so should I just leave it "localhost" for hostname?
[01:49] <tgm4883> no, i'd say set a static IP address on the PC using network manager
[01:49] <tgm4883> if you have any remote frontends in the future localhost will cause issues
[01:50] <savantelite_> k, So can I just do that in IPv4 settings?   or do I have to do it on my router?
[01:51] <tgm4883> savantelite_, just do that in IPv4 settings
[01:53] <savantelite_> Should I use the one it currently gave me? <IP_ADDRESS>?
[01:53] <savantelite_> and what do I do with netmask and gateway feilds?
[01:54] <savantelite_> Is this stuff easy to change after I have a backend up?
[01:55] <tgm4883> no, don't use the one it gave you, as that may be assigned to another PC later
[01:55] <tgm4883> You would want to use something on the same subnet, like <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:55] <tgm4883> netmask is likely <IP_ADDRESS>, gateway is likely the IP of your router
[02:04] <savantelite_> cool that worked fine. I will have to set up my other computers like that:)
[02:04] <savantelite_> So now I put my new ip in to "Hostname"?
[02:05] <savantelite_> Thanks a ton, I will be back in a couple hours
[03:33] <miststlkr> running .23 and have a series which was tagged incorrectly.  If I manually go through and "reset metadata" then rescan using the series ID I can get it to group correctly and get the correct summary and all that, but it won't let go of the old/incorrect artwork.  is there a way to do this other than going through for each pierce of art for each episode and picking through the menu of all artwork?? surely there is at least a
[03:33] <miststlkr> way to wipe it clean for the episode/series at the very least??
[04:36] <yggdrasil> ok wtf have you done with grub/menu.lst
[11:27] <qwebirc45582> hi all
[11:27] <qwebirc45582> any one up for a q on a SQL error I am seeing on a clean 10.10 Mythbuntu install?
[13:05] <patdk-wk> guess not, since he didn't want to ask his question
[13:37] <Nasha> superm1 are you around?
[14:59] <superm1> Nasha, yeah i'm here
[15:00] <superm1> as for ideas to make your solution permanent, if rc.local isn't working, you've got a race condition of sorts going on i'm thinking
[15:01] <Nasha> I see...
[15:03] <Nasha> Do you think i could add it to the lirc init script, and that may make it work?
[15:03] <Nasha> Ad hoc solution, doesnt exactly sort out the cause of the solution though
[15:16] <superm1> i think still need to figure out the cause of the problem first to figure out the best place to fix it
[15:16] <superm1> maybe a good start is having each run of /etc/init.d/lirc echo out into a file
[15:16] <superm1> and run set -x
[15:17] <superm1> then perhaps you might be able to see if there are invokations of it racing somehow
[15:19] <Nasha> What do you mean, echo out into a file?
[15:19] <Nasha> I mean, what would we be echoing
[15:21] <Nasha> After looking at the in_kernel_support code in the init script, the file /sys/devices/virtual/rc/ doesnt exist, so the editing of the protocols file doesnt happen?
[15:24] <superm1> you can add set -x to the top of /etc/init.d/lirc, and there is a way in sh to set a file to redirect all output elsewhere
[15:25] <superm1> so if you redirect it to say /tmp/lirc.`tempfile` that should let you watch the messages output
[15:28] <Nasha> Youve exceeded my linux knowledge im afraid
[15:43] <patdk-wk> I dunno the correct way to do it :)
[15:43] <patdk-wk> but generally just rename the file
[15:43] <patdk-wk> and make a new script with the old name, and have it run the renamed script with output redirected
[15:44] <Nasha> Ok, im getting the general idea
[15:44] <Nasha> How exactly, do i do that?
[15:44] <patdk-wk> just like I said
[15:45] <patdk-wk> mv script script.orig
[15:45] <Nasha> Yep, that part i get
[15:45] <Nasha> As for the contents of the new script
[15:45] <patdk-wk> echo "#!/bin/sh\n. script.orig > script.log 2>script.err\n" > script; chmod a+x script
[15:47] <Nasha> And thats the contents of the new script, and the output will be in script.log
[15:47] <patdk-wk> yep
[15:47] <patdk-wk> I personally would use full paths for everything
[15:48] <Nasha> Yep, to avoid any mix ups
[15:53] <Nasha> Ok, ill give that a shot
[15:55] <superm1> you will probably want to use >> instead of > so that it appends to the file in case there are multiple times it's executed
[15:56] <superm1> and you'll want to make sure that you run set -x
[15:56] <Nasha> set -x in the new file or old?
[15:57] <superm1> either
[15:57] <Nasha> ok
[16:06] <Nasha> nasha@Ion-Frontend:~$ cat /etc/init.d/lirc.err
[16:06] <Nasha> lircd: there seems to already be a lircd process with pid 1003
[16:06] <Nasha> lircd: otherwise delete stale lockfile /var/run/lirc/lircd1.pid
[16:06] <Nasha> the lirc.log seems to be ok
[16:06] <Nasha> but the remote isn't functioning using the lirc mceusb driver, only the ir_core
[16:06] <superm1> so look at it from a fresh boot
[16:07] <Nasha> that is a fresh boot
[16:07] <superm1> that's from a fresh boot?  Then it certainly sounds like something launched it twice
[16:08] <Nasha> Isnt that the issue, the kernel is launching it, and lirc itself is launching/
[16:09] <superm1> so maybe it's udev rule conflicting
[16:09] <superm1> so you can try modifying /lib/udev/rules.d/85-lirc.rules
[16:09] <superm1> to comment out the add rule
[16:10] <Nasha> done, rebooting
[16:12] <Nasha> Nothing new in the err log, and remote is functioning with the repeat error as before
[16:14] <superm1> when you backed up your old conffiles, did you maybe also restore stuff in /etc/rc.d/ or so?
[16:14] <Nasha> certainly not
[16:14] <Nasha> I backed up only .lirc hardware.conf and lircd.conf
[16:15] <superm1> is this machine your master backend
[16:15] <Nasha> No, FE only
[16:16] <superm1> okay, would you mind booting a live disk and trying there, just to rule out some other unforseen modifications here?
[16:16] <superm1> but hm, that won't go through the same steps a fresh boot will
[16:16] <Nasha> Sure
[16:16] <Nasha> Ok...
[16:18] <Nasha> So you want me to load the livecd?
[16:19] <Nasha> Need to find the external dvd drive, dont want to look for it at 3am if i dont have to lol
[16:23] <superm1> well i think you should go to bed if it's 3am, just searching for straws at this point
[16:23] <superm1> nothing definitive to solve it yet
[16:24] <Nasha> Yeh its almost bed time, but because of the time difference, i need to compromise to catch you
[16:25] <superm1> well don't stay up on my account, my brain is a little fried for more ideas atm :)
[16:26] <Nasha> haha ok
[16:27] <Nasha> I was hoping to find a permanent solution, but its not that important. Jarod Wilson's words of advice were to just add the echo lirc > protocols to the lirc init script in place of the kernel code. But that either doesn't work, or ive commented out the wrong code
[16:28] <Nasha> Because it enables all the items in the protocols file, so ive just realised
[16:35] <baggar11> anyone running PIP in here? Wondering how the newer releases of MythTv handle it. Running 9.10 with 0.22 has always seemed to be crash happy...
[16:36] <patdk-wk> hmm, it's always worked for me
[16:36] <patdk-wk> but I haven't used it since .22 :)
[16:44] <baggar11> patdk-wk: what cards are you running?
[16:44] <patdk-wk> for?
[16:45] <patdk-wk> gt220 and gt240
[16:47] <baggar11> capturing of course, unless you weren't replying to my PIP question...
[16:50] <patdk-wk> what would capture matter in PIP?
[16:50] <patdk-wk> PIP only happens on the frontend, not backend
[16:51] <baggar11> because I've had problems with PIP with my capture cards
[16:51] <patdk-wk> PIP has nothing to do with the capture cards
[16:52] <patdk-wk> all pip does is playback two videos
[16:52] <patdk-wk> now, if you have issues recording from both of your cards at once, that is a totally different issue
[17:03] <baggar11> don't seem to have that problem with multiple frontends. so I guess its' the 0.22 frontend
[17:05] <baggar11> I'm about to upgrade to 0.24 on 10.10, and thought I would revisit PIP
[18:04] <persia> Hey.  I'm collecting information about installation targets for each flavour.  Does Mythbuntu plan to release for amd64/i386 for Natty again?  No powerpc or armel images?
[18:05] <tgm4883> persia, correct
[18:05] <tgm4883> also, #mythbuntu-mythtv-dev
[18:05] <tgm4883> err
[18:05] <tgm4883> #mythbuntu-dev
[18:06] <tgm4883> which should forward to #ubuntu-mythtv-dev
[18:25] <superm1> i think there is quite little utility in doing powerpc or armel
[18:26] <superm1> whenever flash gets released for amd64 i'd argue we should stop doing i386 too
[18:27] <rhpot1991> superm1: isn't it already
[18:27] <rhpot1991> or do you mean a stable release?
[18:27] <superm1> not a stable version
[18:27] <rhpot1991> ah ok
[18:27] <superm1> i'm not meaning stop doing i386 packages, just only release amd64 iso's
[18:27] <superm1> people on i386 could still function
 i'm not meaning stop doing i386 packages, just only release amd64 iso's
[18:28] <tgm4883> I like that idea
[18:28] <tgm4883> but whats the reason?
[20:09] <tafkaz> sorry for crossposting, but i really would like to hear your thoughts on this:
[20:10] <tafkaz> i found a wiki entry telling me,. that you can reset the playback profiles back to default by deleting the entries there completely
[20:11] <tafkaz> i tried this, and i managed to delete most of those profiles. but some wont delete...
[20:11] <tafkaz> in the log i get:
[20:11] <tafkaz> 2010-11-23 21:01:59.347 TriggeredConfigurationGroup::removeTarget(): Failed to find desired value(Schonend) -- aborting
[20:11] <tafkaz> anything i could do?
[20:11] <tafkaz> thank you very much for your ideas
[22:02] <Gibby> what is the package for the hdhomerun gui?
[22:03] <rhpot1991> hdhomerun-config-gui I think
[22:03] <rhpot1991> hdhomerun-config - Configuration utility for Silicon Dust HD HomeRun
[22:03] <rhpot1991> hdhomerun-config-gui - GUI Configuration utility for Silicon Dust HD HomeRun
[22:03] <rhpot1991> Gibby: ^
[22:03] <Gibby> can i install just the gui?
[22:04] <rhpot1991> yep
[22:04] <rhpot1991> I'd install both, the cli can do things the gui can't
[22:04] <rhpot1991> which you may never need
[22:04] <Gibby> sweet, it just got here in the mail
[22:04] <rhpot1991> Gibby: very nice
[22:09] <Gibby> is it safe to flash the firmware with this utitlity?
[22:10] <rhpot1991> Gibby: yep should be fine, go get the latest from SD's website
[22:11] <Gibby> yep already got it... so this utility is good for just looking at signal strength and flashing?
[22:11] <rhpot1991> Gibby: you can watch tv with it too, it launches vlc
[22:12] <rhpot1991> kinda useful for checking channels when fixing your lineup
[22:13] <rhpot1991> not sure if there is a better way to add listings for HDHR anymore, back when I did it I added my cable listings, scanned with the HDHR then added the xmltv id's for the scanned channels to match with my cable channels
[22:14] <Gibby> hmm my symbol quality is all over the place


[12:29] <ejat> lazyPower: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11979459/
[21:43] <ejat> lazyPower: ?
[22:04] <lazyPower> ejat: looks like you've been stuck by this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1259675
[22:04] <mup> Bug #1259675: ERROR Get : 301 response missing Location header <juju-core:Opinion> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1259675>
[22:15] <ejat> thanks lazyPower
[22:15] <ejat> reported 2014 ?
[22:16] <ejat> ........
[22:16] <lazyPower> it doesn't seem to be very common
[22:16] <lazyPower> If you dont need to recover the environment (as in nothing important is running in it) the easy fix is to remove the bucket that contains the state info file
[22:16] <ejat> i never had this problem before
[22:16] <lazyPower> and rebootstrap
[22:16] <lazyPower> yeah i dont know why its surfaced. its an older bug, i ran into it with a couple people in #juju back when i first started
[22:16] <lazyPower> but it hasn't come up again until now
[22:16] <ejat> remove the bucket in aws console ?
[22:16] <lazyPower> yeah
[22:17] <lazyPower> Load up S3 and find the juju bootstrap bucket
[22:17] <ejat> u want me to update the bugs ?
[22:17] <lazyPower> fwiw - we're removing that requirement in 1.25 - so the bucket related issue should go away.
[22:17] <lazyPower> that would be brilliant, that way we have a breadcrumb trail to follow should this come up again
[22:17] <ejat> owh ... so temp solution is to remove bucket manually ?
[22:18] <lazyPower> yeah :(
[22:18] <lazyPower> i haven't figured out how to fuly recover from it
[22:18] <lazyPower> since it never happened in my deployments i didn't have a busted env to poke at and find a proper fix
[22:19] <ejat> ok .. trying to remove it manually
[22:19] <ejat> but i've bump into another issue :)
[22:19] <ejat> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11982882/
[22:19]  * ejat contacting rackspace support .. waiting for their feedback as well
[22:19] <ejat> its regard to tenant-name
[22:21] <lazyPower> ejat: aiui - we wont officially support rackspace until we land the new storageless provider code i referenced above
[22:21] <lazyPower> unless you use it in a manual provider space
[22:21] <ejat> lazyPower: sorry .. what is aiui
[22:21] <lazyPower> as i understand it
[22:22] <ejat> owh okie
[22:22] <lazyPower> if you could file a bug about that as well - https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+filebug
[22:22] <ejat> to bad for me for the short form :)
[22:22] <ejat> about the rackspace issue ?
[22:22] <lazyPower> That would get you a notification once its corrected,  I'll tag it and poke the core team about it
[22:22] <lazyPower> yes
[22:22] <ejat> ok ..
[22:28] <ejat> lazyPower: bug 1480616
[22:28] <mup> Bug #1480616: juju with RackSpace configuration <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1480616>
[22:28] <lazyPower> thanks ejat
[22:28] <ejat> most welcome
[22:28]  * ejat just wondering no one using juju with rackspace :)
[22:28] <lazyPower> Sorry  I didn't have better news for you :-\ but we're certainly working on those issues.
[22:29] <ejat> no worries .. u help a lot at least i know its a bugs
[22:29]  * ejat just missed the juju core team , marco .. kapil .. james ... because no UDS anymore .. cant met them
[22:30] <ejat> bcoz change to UOS :)
[22:30]  * ejat pokes marcoceppi
[22:31]  * ejat pokes jamespage
[22:34] <ejat> lazyPower: sorry to bother u again
[22:34] <ejat> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11982946/ <-- hpcloud
[22:37] <lazyPower> hmm, thats generic. are you able to ping the IP of the bootstrap node contained in your hpcloud .jenv file?
[22:44] <lazyPower> ejat: i've got to run for a bit, but i'll circle back when i get home to check on you
[22:44] <ejat> ok
[22:44] <ejat> lazyPower: back to amazon issue after removing S3
[22:44] <ejat> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11982991/
[22:44] <ejat> do i need to manually create in S3 ?
[22:45] <ejat> okie .. take ya time ... will wait for u when u get home .. no worries .. thanks
[23:35] <ejat> lazyPower: juju with azure :( http://paste.ubuntu.com/11983218/


[00:43] <TJ-> ChrisP1948: I guess you figured it out by now
[00:51] <aeoril> ChrisP1948: aeoril@ubuntu:~$ echo $(uname -r)
[00:51] <aeoril> 3.13.0-32-generic
[01:05] <ChrisP1948> I know this is the kernel I'm running 3.13.0-45-generic but I need to build 3.13.0-35 and go from there to find where this bug has been injected
[01:49] <ChrisP1948> Think I've got it now, thanks
[03:01] <Free99> Hello all. I tried building a 3.18.4 kernel with no patches on my ubuntu 14.04 system after copying the latest 3.13 config into the kernel directory
[03:02] <Free99> Everything goes great right up until X needs to startup
[03:02] <Free99> I have an intel HD4400 powered laptop, with an external display connected via displayport
[03:02] <Free99> does anyone have any idea on how to fix the X server crashing?
[03:03] <Free99> Xorg.0.log says that "screens were found, but none have a useable configuration"
[05:34] <apw> Free99 (N,BFTL), I think your config is likely too old for that kernel, perhaps try the one from utopic or vivid
[14:30] <smoser> apw, does my request at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1415634 seem like complete nonsense ?
[14:31] <smoser> i'm looking for finger-in-the-wind guess as to size of a "linux-server" that had reasonable hardware support.
[15:25] <apw> smoser, calling that discussed :)  and we'll get together to eval same
[15:26] <smoser> yp
[15:26] <smoser> yep
[16:27] <jsalisbury> **
[16:27] <jsalisbury> ** Ubuntu Kernel Team Meeting - Today @ 17:00 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting
[16:27] <jsalisbury> **
[16:37] <ChrisP1948> Still having issues with building 3.13.0-35 which is the last kernel that did not cause the system to 'freeze' with this error kernel: [106482.820016] [drm:i915_hangcheck_elapsed] *ERROR* Hangcheck timer elapsed... render ring idle. Using this command sudo apt-get build-dep linux-image-3.13.0-35-generic which is found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel it downloaded 3.13.0-45 the newest instead of *-35. How do
[16:37] <ChrisP1948>  I get *-35?
[16:55] <jsalisbury> ##
[16:55] <jsalisbury> ## Kernel team meeting in 5 minutes
[16:55] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ## Meeting starting now
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:19] <ChrisP1948> Note-on my previous question about building kernel 3.13.0-35 I've already filed a bug report on this issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1402331 and have been asked to do a kernel bisection which I'm attempting to do
[17:20] <ChrisP1948> There has also been one filed here - https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=75394
[18:38] <eren> I need to bisect the kernel and I am only interested in bnx2x driver. Is it possible to only build modules in ubuntu kernel git repository?
[21:28] <ChrisP1948> Curious if no one has an idea as to what I'm doing wrong in my earlier post about trying to build kernel 3.13.0-35
[22:50] <apw> ChrisP1948 (N,BFTL), you are asking for the build-deps for linux, not for the source for that version... so you get the latest bits


[21:15] <ubot2> Silver_Fox_ called the ops in #ubuntu-beginners ()
[22:42] <nhandler> Hmm...Does it make sense to have ops factoid calls show up here? It makes sense for the core channels and #ubuntu-ops, since the people in that channel actually have access to deal with issues. But for a lot of the non-core channels, most of the people here would be unable to do anything (and the hilight from ubottu in the channels should be enough)