[09:33] <zequence> cub: Hi
[09:44] <cub> hi zequence
[09:44] <cub> how's life?
[09:44] <zequence> Pretty ok. Working hard on the next version of -controls
[09:44] <cub> nice
[09:45] <cub> hmm the usual suspects in this chatroom have declined
[09:45] <zequence> Adding some basic jack and pulseaudio controls. Trying to integrate everything into one, and making it possible to run everything at login
[09:45] <zequence> ddos attack yesterday, is what I heard
[09:45] <cub> yeah I read in the logs about that. That is going to be nice.
[09:45] <cub> well not the ddos, the phrase before that.
[09:45] <zequence> Yep
[09:46] <zequence> I'm only worried about all sorts of bugs that appear when *hoping* things will just work
[09:46] <cub> :D
[09:46] <zequence> I'm going to add on the fly changing of samplerate and buffersize
[09:47] <cub> I should try to do as much testing as possible
[09:47] <zequence> Also, a debug tool, so whenever someone has a problem, we ask them to install -controls, click a button, and we get to know everything we need in one try
[09:47] <cub> how do you mean on the fly?
[09:47] <zequence> Without restarting jack
[09:47] <zequence> Like Ardour does it, with buffer size, at least
[09:48] <cub> is that necessary? At least with my usb card I will have to detach and attach it again to change sample rate
[09:48] <zequence> Or, if it needs to be restarted, I make that happen -but with a notificiation
[09:48] <zequence> Really?
[09:48] <cub> yes since it's set on the card with a switch
[09:48] <zequence> Well, that's the sort of thing one *hopes* will just work
[09:49] <zequence> linux-lowlatency, a complete new build, is available in the trusty repos
[09:50] <zequence> It's now apart of the Canonical master source
[09:50] <zequence> I'm going to try it out later today
[09:50] <cub> cool, so you won't need to do future updates?
[09:51] <TheDrums> Thought I saw that, congrats.
[09:51] <zequence> I won't need to bother about the SRUs. I'm still the maintainer of the config diff though
[09:52] <zequence> So, we should do some testing, especially with newer kernels, and make sure they perform to our liking
[09:55] <zequence> !paste
[09:56] <zequence> This is what it looks like now http://imagebin.org/290896
[09:57] <zequence> Unfortunately, indicator-app doesn't support a lot of Gtk goodies, so I'm not able to add stuff like volume control. Not the way I'm coding it at least
[09:57] <zequence> Just menus with text and no pictures. I don't like it, but it's a start
[09:58] <cub> zequence, that looks reaaaally good!
[09:59] <zequence> For Connections I'm using patchage
[10:01] <cub> zequence, any plans for a Stockholm visit?
[10:01] <zequence> cub: I go there sometimes. Don't know when next time. I'll let you know
[10:01] <zequence> cub: Let me know if you come to GBG
[10:02] <cub> absolutely, no plans at the moment though
[10:02] <cub> I might get an office space soon in a large shared office with artists, designers, muscicians etc
[10:03] <cub> it would be cool to promote Ubuntu Studio there
[10:03] <cub> their plan is to have small workshops where everyon can join bi-weekly or monthly
[10:04] <zequence> Cool
[10:31] <cub> yeah, it would be awesome to have a couple of filmmakers, designers, artists to try out the applications and workflows
[11:31] <knome> i'm so waiting that cmyk stuff lands properly in linux :)
[11:32] <knome> eg. REAL cmyk working space/export for inkscape would be <3
[11:32] <knome> then i could almost drop photoshop out of my workflow for good...
[11:41] <cub> hey knome, you should also head over here if/when I get an office there to tell people the awesomeness of xubuntu
[11:41] <cub> it's right beside where the ferries acnhor!
[11:42] <knome> hehe, we'll see
[11:42] <knome> but: sure, why not, if time and other things allow
[11:43] <cub> we'll see how things pan out :)
[12:16] <knome> yep
[12:31] <knome> zequence, i left a small comment on your dev application wikipage :)
[12:38] <zequence> knome: Thanks, man :)
[12:38] <knome> np!


[00:15] <gnomefreak> how would i run lintian/linda on sources befor ei upload to revu?
[00:15] <stdin> run it on the .dsc
[00:16] <stdin> or the .changes
[00:16] <gnomefreak> lintian file.dsc?
[00:17] <gnomefreak> or file.changes
[00:17] <stdin> yep
[00:17] <gnomefreak> ok ty
[00:17] <stdin> either
[02:31] <antoneeo> hi, can anyone shed some light on the release date of kde4 beta4 for gutsy? something i'm sure has never been asked before here.. :)
[02:31] <Hobbsee> when it's done.
[02:31] <antoneeo> apparently.
[02:31] <Hobbsee> i think the plan is to go to beta 5 / whatever they're calling it.
[02:31] <nosrednaekim> antoneeo: its dead easy to compile it from SVN
[02:31] <antoneeo> won't RC1 be out on november 20?
[02:32] <antoneeo> nosrednaekim: i did try, but my system is overheating constantly when compiling. but that's my own prob... so, for my part, i gotta wait :(
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> antoneeo: :D
[02:34] <antoneeo> Hobbsee: hmm, well i guess it would be smarter for the kubuntu krew to wait for the next beta/rc as that seems to be far along
[02:34] <antoneeo> :-( :-)
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> antoneeo: you could try to find someone who has already compiled it and grab it off of them ;)
[02:35] <antoneeo> nosrednaekim: that might work
[02:36] <antoneeo> nosrednaekim: if only time came in bigger bags :)
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> antoneeo: I'd offer myself, but I think you'd find it painful to grab it over my dial-up :D
[02:36] <antoneeo> nosrednaekim: thanks for the thought!
[02:37] <antoneeo> i suppose i'll just use the time to continue my qt4 book, then
[02:37] <antoneeo> nosrednaekim: how is it, though? the fabled beta4? =)
[02:37] <DaSkreech> antoneeo: Near usable
[02:38] <antoneeo> *giddy*
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> antoneeo: i'm using svn... work fairly well,most plamsa problems
[02:40] <antoneeo> very nice
[02:40] <antoneeo> can't hardly wait :)
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> kwin compisting even works.
[02:44] <antoneeo> regarding the svn procedure: do you really need to build Qt, too? because when i didn't, i got that /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/crypto admin error...
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> antoneeo: no,you don't need to build qt, but you do need to build kdelibs as root
[02:46] <antoneeo> ...i got that error when building kdesupport, that is. which i thought wasn't necessary to build (according to KDE techbase) until i hit an error when building kdebase (somewhere around runtime) -- that was when i opened my windows and the cpu didn't overheat
[02:46] <antoneeo> hmm, okay
[02:48] <antoneeo> but... when i build kdelibs5 as root from svn, won't that interfere later with the next repo beta/rc?
[02:57] <antoneeo> and: how would i have to change the kdelibs build recipe from http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4#kdelibs ?
[06:27] <jdong> Tonio_: hey you gonna do anything exciting with KT 2.2.3? I'm getting clamoring about it over at upstream's forums so I'm thinking about bumping our Hardy packaging to 2.2.3
[06:29] <DaSkreech> KT?
[06:29] <DaSkreech> Torrent?
[06:31] <jdong> yeah, KTorrent
[06:31] <jdong> sorry bout that
[06:41]  * jdong build tests :)
[06:44] <DaSkreech> Hi Hobbsee
[06:45] <Hobbsee> hey DaSkreech
[06:45] <DaSkreech> good night :)
[07:17] <jdong> Tonio_: unpoke, I just packaged it, bug #163041 if you are interested
[07:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 163041 in ktorrent "[SPONSOR] Ktorrent 2.2.3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163041
[07:26] <Tonio_> jdong: hey ;)
[07:26] <Tonio_> just woke up, hi everyone
[07:26] <jdong> Tonio_: morning :)
[07:27] <jdong> long time no see!
[07:28] <Tonio_> jdong: true ! how are you ?
[07:28] <Tonio_> jdong: I'll revue and upload kt right now
[07:28] <jdong> Tonio_: oh I'm hanging in there, swamped with schoolwork but still managing to burn time in here :)
[07:29] <jdong> Tonio_: thanks muchly.... those KTorrent folks tend to be real fidgety with not geting the latest version
[07:29] <jdong> in fact at upstream's forums it tends to be a race of which distro gets packages out first :D
[07:29] <Tonio_> hehe
[07:45] <Tonio_> jdong: kt uploaded
[07:46] <jdong> Tonio_: thanks!
[08:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[08:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: which package is used to create those "Music" and "Videos" folder at the root of $HOME ?
[08:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: french translation needs improvements, and there is also a very little problem with one icon I'd like to fix
[08:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: apt-file seems not to work with hardy yet, so finding the good package isn't that easy :)
[08:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki, that's kdelibs
[08:54] <mhb> Tonio_: xdg-user-dirs?
[08:56] <Tonio_> mhb: yep, but that's been added to kdelibs by Riddell
[08:56] <Tonio_> mhb: and there is a very little bug with an icon for "documents"
[08:56] <Tonio_> mhb: try to save a file for example with kate
[08:56] <Tonio_> mhb: do you get an icon for the "document" part ?
[08:57] <Tonio_> hardy needed of course
[08:58] <mhb> Tonio_: I don't
[08:59] <Tonio_> don't get the icon or don't have hardy ? ;)
[09:00] <mhb> Tonio_: get the icon
[09:00] <mhb> I've edited those .directory files in the past, so I don't know if it's not me
[09:01] <Tonio_> mhb: I'll make a point with riddell on that point :)
[09:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: was thinking about that
[09:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: shouldn't patch 93 and 94 should be merged ?
[09:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: both are doing the same thing with the same code in it
[09:02] <Tonio_> except Documents isn't done the same way than other directories....
[09:11] <Tonio_> mhb: the point is that the patches should be merged ihmo, but I'd like Riddell's opinion before doing so since I'm curious why mandriva does it that way
[09:11] <mhb> Tonio_: ah
[09:12] <Tonio_> they are doing 2 differents way for the same result : adding folders in the user $HOME and an entry in the speedbar
[09:12] <Tonio_> I don't really understand why btw
[09:17] <mhb> Tonio_: well that's what the speedbar is for, isn't it? It's easier to go to those folders that way, and you can find them even without it (in GTK dialogs or so)
[09:18] <Tonio_> mhb: yep
[09:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just fixed the kdebluetooth obex server problem someone reported here last week, it'll work now
[09:56] <Hobbsee> what's the name of the kcm module that lets you turn the kde sound system on or off?
[10:08] <Hobbsee> kwwii: rock on :)
[10:08] <Hobbsee> kwwii: that flower pic
[10:24]  * _buz wonders at the last part of the topic :P
[10:48] <mhb> _buz: better? :o)
[10:48] <_buz> yeah that makes more sense :(
[10:50] <mhb> _buz: I'm not happy about it either, but KDE4 packaging is Riddell's and nixternal's turf, and when PPA does something funky nobody outside Canonical can do anything about it
[11:11] <GNUton> hi
[11:16] <Riddell> Tonio_: fixed in gutsy?
[11:16] <Hobbsee> mhb: they're tracking it down.
[11:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: what's fixed in gutsy ?
[11:19] <Riddell> Tonio_: "I just fixed the kdebluetooth obex server problem"
[11:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: hardy not gutsy
[11:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: I also have found a very strange issue with kdebluetooth
[11:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: it doesn't load locales
[11:20] <Riddell> so gutsy works fine?
[11:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: no, buggy
[11:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: would like a fix for gutsy ? that seems minor issue for me....
[11:25] <Riddell> Tonio_: I've no idea what the issue in gutsy is
[11:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: transfert a file with bluetooth doesn't work from the remote device to the computer
[11:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just fixed that for hardy, there was a missing binary in the package
[11:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: dunno if you'd like to get a fix for gutsy
[11:26] <Riddell> sounds like the sort of thing that ought to be fixed, especially if it's just adding a line to a .install file
[11:27] <Tonio_> okay I'll propose a fix then
[11:49] <MidMark> I have a process that take 100%, but top doesn't show it, how can I do to discover it?
[11:49] <MidMark> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/162649
[11:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 162649 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Abnormal CPU load and fan" [Undecided,New]
[11:52]  * Hobbsee notes that the original guy does not know how to file good bugs at all
[11:52] <MidMark> yes you're right
[11:52] <Hobbsee> his other one is spectacularly bad.
[11:55] <Hobbsee> MidMark: does baltix use update-manager?
[11:57] <MidMark> Hobbsee: sorry haven't understood
[11:57] <MidMark> what are you talking about?
[11:58] <Hobbsee> MidMark: the bug with 86 dupes, about the memory management.
[11:58] <Hobbsee> people are screaming over it being marked as invalid.  which section got it marked as that?
[11:58] <Hobbsee> MidMark: looks like you can close https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15/+bug/32853
[11:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 32853 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.19 "installing NVIDIA non-free binary package requires manual configuration" [Undecided,Invalid]
[11:59] <Hobbsee> mark gutsy as fixed, the others as wontfix.
[12:00] <Hobbsee> MidMark: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debconf/+bug/146932 doesn't have enough information.  pleasefix.
[12:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146932 in debconf "package debconf 1.5.14 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New]
[12:00] <MidMark> Hobbsee: now installing nvidia-glx-new change also xorg.conf?
[12:00] <Hobbsee> MidMark: read the bottom of the bug.  and unbreakable X
[12:04] <MidMark> Hobbsee: for what I know this bug is not fixed
[12:04] <MidMark> xorg.conf is not automatically changed
[12:04] <Hobbsee> MidMark: which one?
[12:04] <Hobbsee> does it even rely on an xorg.conf anymore?
[12:04] <MidMark> Hobbsee: wait please, one bug at once
[12:04] <MidMark> too much confusion
[12:04] <MidMark> bug 32853
[12:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 32853 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.19 "installing NVIDIA non-free binary package requires manual configuration" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32853
[12:05]  * Hobbsee is going through your bugs, and asking for information.
[12:05] <Hobbsee> yes.
[12:05] <MidMark> if you install the driver the xorg.conf isn't changed
[12:06] <Hobbsee> what i'm saying - does it even rely on the xorg.conf anymore anyway?
[12:07] <MidMark> I think installing the driver shouldn't change the xorg.conf, but yes, this could be changed via system settings -> video settings
[12:08] <Hobbsee> it should all just work now.
[12:08] <Hobbsee> without the xorg.conf.
[12:08] <Hobbsee> this is part of the stuff about the new xorg, with unbreakable X.
[12:09] <MidMark> Hobbsee: ok honestly I haven't tested the new unbreakable X
[12:09] <Hobbsee> then perhaps you should.
[12:09] <Hobbsee> it's in gutsy.
[12:09] <Hobbsee> before you tell me that it doesnt work
[12:10] <MidMark> Hobbsee: I have said: "For what I know this bug is not fixed", the sentence is true I think, isn't?
[12:11] <Hobbsee> sure, but it's useless :)
[12:11] <Hobbsee> it's assumed that when you come to say that bugs arent fixed, that you're at least using the latest stable, if not hte development version
[12:13] <MidMark> Hobbsee: I have gutsy in fact, but I haven't tryed this particular new x.org system, for example I have tested gdebi and it sucks a lot (sorry but it's the truth) don't know who decided to put it instead of service menu
[12:13] <Hobbsee> WFM.
[12:14] <Hobbsee> you havent said what sucks about it yet, but i do agree with the one bug i saw about it.
[12:14] <MidMark> ok one bug at once, let's close the xorg, so you say that now you install the nvidia package and? it also change the xorg?
[12:15] <Hobbsee> dunno.  apparently so, based on what the last person has said.
[12:15] <Hobbsee> and it was one of the features of bulletproof X.
[12:16] <MidMark> last person talk about wireless that is completely OT and I haven't understood well, much confusion, I post a question
[12:17] <Hobbsee> you said to stay on one bug at once.
[12:17] <Hobbsee> in the xorg bug, the last person said that it worked in gutsy.
[12:18] <MidMark> Hobbsee: can also be that Gutsy recognized the card and changed xorg.conf in the update process and not in the package ;) or I'm wrong?
[12:18] <Hobbsee> i'm not an x master
[12:18] <Hobbsee> but that's quite possible. *shrug*
[12:18] <Hobbsee> would be odd, though.
[12:18] <Hobbsee> well, no, wait, hang on.
[12:19] <Hobbsee> think about what you've said
[12:19] <Hobbsee> all a dist-upgrade does is upgrade the packages, including Xorg.
[12:19] <Hobbsee> so your either/or there is actually the same thing.
[12:19] <MidMark> Hobbsee: let me ask to a friend of mine that yesterday have installed nvidia driver on Gutsy
[12:20] <MidMark> ok now he is not online, I will ask later, go on with gdebi
[12:20] <MidMark> the problem for me that was on Feisty (regression) too is
[12:20] <MidMark> you cannot install packages with dependencies one to the other, like for example google earth
[12:21] <MidMark> Edgy was the last kubuntu that let you do this
[12:21] <Hobbsee> patches welcome for gdebi, then.
[12:21] <Hobbsee> it also doesnt search the repository for the package it's missing too.  *sigh*>
[12:22] <MidMark> gdebi is only useful when you install ONE package then yes
[12:22] <MidMark> but not very common
[12:22] <Hobbsee> so, make it smarter.
[12:23] <Hobbsee> it has to be fixed for ubuntu anyway.  code duplication is bad.
[12:24] <MidMark> Hobbsee: if I show you what something isn't good I haven't to patch everythings, also I really don't know anything about these projects, my question is: before changing something that works change with something that at least do the same things as predecessor, if better ok, but not worse :)
[12:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: would you like adept to show a passive popup near the systray when new updates are available ?
[12:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: same way you are prompted with the restricted manager, to invite people to click
[12:25] <MidMark> and gdebi is a very step backward than service menu, very nice to see, very useless
[12:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: that would be nice for noobs I guess
[12:29] <Hobbsee> MidMark: it has a lot of other useful stuff in it.  to go back to service menu would also be a step backwards
[12:29] <Hobbsee> MidMark: if you want to see it fixed now, then fix it.  learn the skills as required.  it's quite simple.
[12:29] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: your opinion, would that be a good idea ?
[12:30] <Hobbsee> MidMark: you can't expect volunteers to do your bidding.
[12:30] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: that works nicely in ubuntu already.  based on the nature of the updates, its' probably a good thing.
[12:30] <MidMark> Hobbsee: I only expect good choice, none has to be on my bidding
[12:31] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: okay, will do then
[12:31] <Hobbsee> MidMark: can you still install the service menu stuff?
[12:33] <MidMark> Hobbsee: yes I have reinstalled service menu and I'm ok for now, but I only thought about other people that don't know this
[12:33] <Hobbsee> then fix it for them
[12:42] <Riddell> Tonio_: I think not, it would get in the way too much
[12:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: well if it just appears once in a kde session
[12:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: note that there are not that many updates on a stable release, that's my concern
[12:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: a noob wouldn't know where to click to perform updates
[12:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: btw, ubuntu does this too
[12:44] <Tonio_> only once in a session of course, no prompt every 5 minutes
[12:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: what do you mean by "in the way too much" ?
[12:53] <Riddell> the ubuntu one gets in my way a lot I find
[12:53] <Riddell> if I want to upgrade I will, I don't want it to hassle me about it
[12:56] <MidMark> Hobbsee: ok who I have to ping for gdebi?
[12:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: but how if you don't know how to ?
[12:56] <Hobbsee> MidMark: have a look at whoever's uploaded it
[12:56] <Hobbsee> MidMark: but be warned, you'll probably need to write the code for it, if they're off doing other things
[12:56] <MidMark> Hobbsee: coding is not the problem, coding without breaking things yes :)
[12:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: the icon that comes in the systray is not obviously to update the computer
[12:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's my concern
[12:57] <Riddell> Tonio_: no but it's obviously for something, being a warning sign and all
[12:57] <Riddell> there's a tooltip
[12:57] <Riddell> I don't see a reason to go against the ubuntu HCI principle of "don't get in my way"
[12:57] <Riddell> (even if ubuntu does it)
[12:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum... well I don't know any os (except kubuntu) that doesn't prompt you to update somehow
[12:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: why do we do it for the restricted manager then ?
[12:58] <Tonio_> same logic, if I want to disable proprietary things, I'll do it, no need to get in my way
[12:59] <Tonio_> that makes sense, but makes things a bit obfusctated for new users imho....
[12:59] <Tonio_> some people might not even see the icon.... (some people are like informatics handicaped :/)
[13:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm not talking about a popup that stays here until you click on it, just once that comes 10 seconds only once in the session to invite you to perform updates
[13:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: do you consider this getting in your way ? ;)
[13:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: not to insist, I'd like to understand were, according to you, is the limit
[13:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: and imho, if most other OS does it (osx...) that may be usefull regarding to usability no ?
[13:12] <Riddell> I'm unsure about restricted manager too, but that's only ever once
[13:12] <Riddell> update manager would be every time there's an update
[13:12] <Riddell> and more popups == badness
[13:12] <Hobbsee> which tend to be somewhat important.
[13:13] <Riddell> now maybe if it were combined with the restricted manager one somehow, that would be more interesting
[13:13] <Riddell> weren't we ment to have a meeting this week?
[13:14] <Hobbsee> oh, shit, it's saturday already
[13:14] <Hobbsee> my week is so screwed up.
[13:14] <Hobbsee> i have an exam on *saturday*.
[13:15] <Riddell> revise!
[13:20] <Hobbsee> have already been doing so
[13:20] <Hobbsee> few things have come up, which makes study hard though
[13:21] <WaltzingAlong> but at the same time it is not so imperative that users install the updates (say compared to oh ms windows 3,4, or 5)
[13:22] <MidMark> no please don't popup
[13:23] <MidMark> or at least put a "don't popup" option
[13:24] <WaltzingAlong> and that would be for only users in the admin group anyway, right;
[13:27] <Hobbsee> WaltzingAlong: hell no :)
[13:58] <jpatrick> jdong, Tonio_: why was ktorrents -0ubuntu2 uploaded before 1?
[14:04] <Tonio_> jpatrick: was it ?
[14:18] <jpatrick> does anyone know a Matvey Kozhev?
[14:28] <jpatrick> kwwii: do you have time to send me the svg for the leaflet?
[14:32] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: nick is familiar.  look it up on lp
[14:33] <DaSkreech> Hello
[14:42] <jpatrick> hi DaSkreech
[14:42]  * DaSkreech waves
[14:46] <DaSkreech> I think I may have narrowed down the crashes
[14:46] <Hobbsee> oh good
[14:52] <jpatrick> hi Jucato
[14:52] <Jucato> yo
[14:52] <Jucato> hi
[14:53] <Jucato> what did I miss for the whole day? :)
[14:58] <DaSkreech> Hi Jucato
[14:58] <Jucato> hi DaSkreech
[14:58] <DaSkreech> How are you?
[15:00] <stdin> hey Jucato \o
[15:00] <Jucato> ey yo stdin!
[15:00] <Jucato> DaSkreech: I'm fine I guess :)
[15:01] <stdin> Jucato: I built my first Qt app yesterday :D
[15:01] <Jucato> I built mine a few hours ago.... "Hello Qt!"
[15:01] <Jucato> :D
[15:01] <Jucato> congrats :)
[15:02]  * DaSkreech slaps Jucato
[15:03] <DaSkreech> You need to know me a lot better to start calling me Qt
[15:03] <stdin> I did slightly better than Hello Qt ;) http://stdin.pastebin.us/?show=d55bfd20
[15:03] <Jucato> DaSkreech: I would never do that
[15:03] <Jucato> stdin: impressive
[15:03] <stdin> and I only started reading the Qt tutorial on monday, so this is after a week
[15:03] <DaSkreech> :-)
[15:03] <Jucato> you are 500 paces ahead of me :)
[15:03] <stdin> Qt is nice to work with
[15:04]  * Hobbsee found a python book :)
[15:04] <Jucato> DaSkreech: I'd call you uGly :)
[15:04] <DaSkreech> They had A documentary on Jamaica on the travel channel last night followed by one on the Phillipines
[15:04] <Jucato> Hobbsee: nice! I have one myself... a bit dated though I think
[15:04] <DaSkreech> I thought that was qt ;-)
[15:04] <Jucato> Hobbsee: Practical Python... seems nice.. judging from the contents
[15:04] <DaSkreech> Jucato: You and everyone else
[15:04] <Hobbsee> Jucato: library is useful for something.
[15:05] <Jucato> yeah, it's great to visit the Philippines this time of the year and go to the beaches...
[15:05] <Jucato> flash floods, typhoons, overcrowded ships...
[15:05] <Jucato> sinking...
[15:06] <DaSkreech> Jucato: It was mostly about food
[15:07] <Jucato> stdin: I congratulate you. I've had a qt4 book with me since august, and I haven't really gone past chapter 2
[15:08] <kwwii> jpatrick: yepp, I'll look for it now
[15:08] <stdin> Jucato: I haven't got a book, but I've been reading http://doc.trolltech.com/4.3/tutorial.html
[15:08]  * Jucato waves to kwwii, the big man in the UDS pic...
[15:08] <jpatrick> stdin: woah, sweet app
[15:09] <stdin> jpatrick: thanks :)
[15:09]  * Jucato didn't compile it... does it build? :)
[15:09] <stdin> yep, works too
[15:09] <jpatrick> yep, and looks nice
[15:09] <stdin> just run "qmake ; make"
[15:09]  * Jucato is curious.. tries it
[15:09] <stdin> or qmake-qt4 if it's not set to qt4
[15:09] <Jucato> well I have to copy it first :P
[15:09] <jpatrick> I'd do qmake-qt4 -project; qmake-qt4; make
[15:10] <stdin> ahh yeah, no .pro :p
[15:10] <Jucato> yeah me too
[15:10] <Jucato> cleaner that way :)
[15:10] <stdin> jpatrick: all done without designer too, so I'm proud of that :p
[15:10] <jpatrick> stdin: nice, thanks, I could learn a lot from this
[15:13] <DaSkreech> hey kwwii
[15:13] <seele> yay.. SoC tshirt!
[15:13] <Jucato> yay
[15:14] <Jucato> stdin: very nice
[15:14] <DaSkreech> kwwii: remember the idea we had about a community wallpaper?
[15:14] <DaSkreech>  Oh congrats on getting the default wallpaper in KDEbetas I dond't know that was you :)
[15:15] <stdin> Jucato: it's helped me learn quite a bit quite quickly, trial and error
[15:15] <DaSkreech> Can I do a reverse lookup for required ?
[15:15]  * Jucato is now jealous and goes into a bout of self-pity...
[15:15] <DaSkreech> What other packages have this package as a required ?
[15:16] <stdin> Jucato: just run "sed 's/Terence Simpson/Juan Carlos Torres/g' " and claim you made it first :p
[15:16]  * Jucato self-pities even more...
[15:17] <stdin> and install qt4-doc, that's extremely useful
[15:17] <Jucato> assistant really is
[15:17] <stdin>  /usr/share/qt4/doc/html/ ftw!
[15:17] <Jucato> sudo apt-get remove --purge procrastination self-pity
[15:18] <jpatrick> Jucato: sudo read-book
[15:18] <stdin> explains each header and function really well, so even I can understand it :p
[15:18] <DaSkreech> error: Unfulfilled dependencies
[15:18] <Jucato> jpatrick: command not found
[15:18] <Jucato> stdin: you mean apidocs?
[15:18] <kwwii> DaSkreech: which community wallpaper?
[15:18] <kwwii> hehe, I tried to put that pic in kubuntu too
[15:19] <DaSkreech> kwwii: some community wallpapers. Have people submit them and then package up popular ones in a release package
[15:19] <DaSkreech>  kubuntu-communitywalls-gutsy
[15:19] <stdin> Jucato: basically yeah, but it gives examples and reverse inheritance info etc. really well made docs
[15:19] <DaSkreech>  kubuntu-communitywalls-hardy
[15:19] <kwwii> DaSkreech: I have nothing against it if someone steps up and creates artwork and the package itself ;-)
[15:20] <Jucato> stdin: yeah. qt and kde apidocs are a great read :)
[15:20] <DaSkreech> Hopefully by the time a release comes around there would be something useful enough that we don't have to bother you and we get fresh artwork and meat :)
[15:20] <kwwii> I started to make a new package called just gutsy-community-wallpapers but never got around to finishing it
[15:21] <DaSkreech> well  I think the artwork behind Ubuntu/Xubuntu/Kubuntu are divergent enough that they should get different packages
[15:28] <jpatrick> DaSkreech: maybe https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-wallpapers ?
[15:29] <kwwii> jpatrick: http://sinecera.de/flyer.svg
[15:31] <jpatrick> kwwii: one last thing, does the CC license allow translations?
[15:32] <kwwii> jpatrick: I would assume so
[15:32] <jpatrick> ok, thanks again
[15:33] <stdin> as long as it allow derivatives it should
[15:33] <kwwii> jpatrick: anyway, that document it made by myself so I give you the right ;-)
[15:44] <keith> Hi
[15:44] <jpatrick> hello keith
[15:45] <CPrgmSwR2> I had issues install kde4 from directly through svn so I refomatted and did a kubuntu gutsy install rather than upgrading from fiesty
[15:46] <CPrgmSwR2> Would someone like me to try and create a kde4 package?
[15:46] <CPrgmSwR2> off of rc1
[15:47] <stdin> there are kde4 packages in universe
[15:47] <CPrgmSwR2> but they are 3.94
[15:47] <CPrgmSwR2> not to mention stdin did you read the chat room topic
[15:48] <stdin> yes, so you know why there isn't beta 4 yet ;)
[15:48] <CPrgmSwR2> correct.... and rc1 is already been tagged
[15:50] <stdin> if you can make a working set of debs then I'm sure Riddell would appreciate the help (afaik it's just him and nixternal that make the packages for kde4)
[15:50] <Jucato> afaik too
[15:52] <CPrgmSwR2> stdin: I have had lots of experience compiling kde4 in the past
[15:52] <CPrgmSwR2> I just don't have any experience making dep packages
[15:52] <stdin> compiling is easy, making working debs, now that's hard :p
[15:52] <CPrgmSwR2> Oh
[15:52] <CPrgmSwR2> Is there a tutorial on it?
[15:52] <Jucato> though the problem seems to be more on the Launchpad side of things
[15:52] <Jucato> !packaging
[15:52] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports
[15:53] <CPrgmSwR2> Jucato: I have a fairly fast computer and could make them on my pc
[15:53] <stdin> it has to build in a chroot, so you need to specify all the build dependencies and then configure all the packages and what files go in which and then link them all all with package dependencies
[15:53] <Jucato> they'd still have to be bulit on LP in order to be distributable to the repos
[15:53] <stdin> it can be a real headache
[15:53] <Jucato> through the repos*
[15:54] <DaSkreech> jpatrick: Is there anything in there?
[15:54] <CPrgmSwR2> Oh so there isn't away around LP?
[15:54] <jpatrick> DaSkreech: no idea, I just found it as a new project
[15:54] <jpatrick> CPrgmSwR2: nop, they have the build servers there
[15:54] <stdin> no, all packages in the repos get build by canonical (or launchpad for PPAs)
[15:55] <stdin> you can only upload source packages, not binaries
[15:55] <CPrgmSwR2> In other words they MUST build on LP in order to be released
[15:56] <Jucato> yes
[15:56] <nixternal> hola
[15:56] <Jucato> at least released through the repos
[15:56] <Jucato> aloh
[15:56] <stdin> oh-la
[15:56] <nixternal> heh, by the time LP is fixed for the kdebase-runtime for kde 4, rc1 will be out more than likely
[15:56] <CPrgmSwR2> nixternal: its already tagged
[15:56] <Jucato> IF it gets fixed :)
[15:57] <Jucato> that soon
[15:57] <nixternal> you can add the PPA branch to your sources.list and install that way
[15:57] <Jucato> IF it gets fixed that soon :)
[15:57] <nixternal> that is what I did, I built kdebase-runtime though locally
[15:57] <Jucato> (sad to say, I almost never use our kde4 packages except to test if they work or not)
[15:57] <CPrgmSwR2> I am going to try and start up my kollagame project again
[15:58] <Jucato> yay!
[15:58] <nixternal> and PPA will allow you to upload binaries, because I accidentally did it once
[15:58] <Jucato> but not for the official repos right?
[15:58] <nixternal> dunno, didn't try those :)
[15:58] <nixternal> I didn't mean to do the PPA one either
[15:59] <CPrgmSwR2> nixternal: what about making the binaries on your PC and upload the binaries
[15:59] <nixternal> I used debuil -nc and then went to the dir where my .dsc was and there were also .deb files...when I did the dput on the source_changes, it grabbed the .deb files and started uploading them
[15:59] <jpatrick> CPrgmSwR2: takes a lot of time and stuff? :)
[15:59] <nixternal> CPrgmSwR2: I signed a contract that said I wouldn't do that
[15:59] <CPrgmSwR2> oh
[16:00] <nixternal> ya, that is one of the guidelines for ppa, must be free and must have source, but seeing as the source is already there, I wonder if it is OK?
[16:00] <CPrgmSwR2> I am sure once kde4 is released that LP will get fixed
[16:00] <nixternal> or even if it will still allow that
[16:00] <stdin> where is this "kde-icons-oxygen" that kde4base depends on?
[16:01] <nixternal> stdin: it is created by the kdebase-runtimes package, that is the one that is failing to build against universe
[16:01] <nixternal> if you grab the dsc in the ppa for 3.95 and build it locally, you will get the .deb file for it and you can install it manually then
[16:01] <CPrgmSwR2> nixternal: so in otherwords it only fails to build within LP?
[16:01] <stdin> I just couldn't figure out the source package for it, so I gave up :p
[16:02] <nixternal> CPrgmSwR2: correct
[16:02] <Jucato> but then, he could have just compiled from SVN (which he already did I think)
[16:02] <nixternal> stdin: dget -x http://url_to_dsc_file
[16:02] <CPrgmSwR2> Should I create  kde-devel user for compiling from svn?
[16:03] <nixternal> you don't have to, but it is good to do, keeps your home dir stuff seperated
[16:03]  * Jucato nods
[16:03] <CPrgmSwR2> Just confirming
[16:03] <nixternal> dget -x http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdebase-runtime/kdebase-runtime_3.95.0a-1ubuntu1~ppa1.dsc
[16:04] <nixternal> cd kdebase-runtime-3.95
[16:04] <nixternal> debuild -nc
[16:04] <nixternal> cd ../
[16:04] <nixternal> sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[16:04] <nixternal> that is if you have everything you need to build a gutsy package of course
[16:04] <CPrgmSwR2> What do I need for that
[16:05] <nixternal> take a look at the packaging guide...it will give you the stuff you need
[16:05] <stdin> I have so many -dev packages installed I'm sure it'll work
[16:05] <stdin> (I really should build in chroots, but oh well)
[16:06] <nixternal> sudo apt-get install build-essential devscripts debhelper dh-make diff patch gnupg fakeroot lintian linda pbuilder
[16:06] <Jucato> chroots... a great way to hose your $HOME :)
[16:06] <nixternal> when you do the debuild -nc, if it fails, it will tell you what packages you need to install in order to build the package
[16:06] <nixternal> Jucato: keep your chroots out of home :p
[16:06] <Jucato> or keep you home out of chroots :)
[16:06] <nixternal> heh
[16:07] <CPrgmSwR2> I thought chroot was for changing environments
[16:07] <nixternal> it is a very minimal build of an os so you can do work in
[16:07] <Jucato> nixternal: this was the culprit: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/appendix-chroot.html
[16:07] <nixternal> ya, that is using dchroot
[16:07] <Jucato> Add these lines: /home           /var/chroot/home        none    bind            0       0
[16:08] <nixternal> dchroot is outdated
[16:08] <nixternal> use schroot
[16:08] <Jucato> it says...
[16:08] <nixternal> about the linking?
[16:08] <Jucato> so I added that.. then when I woke up, I forgot that it was mounted there
[16:08] <Jucato> rm'ed the chroot... rm'ed the home :)
[16:08] <stdin> ouch!
[16:08] <Jucato> yeah. lost about 30GB of stuff :)
[16:09] <nixternal> ya, I don't follow those all the way through...I just create the chroot, don't mount any of my other stuff to it at all
[16:09] <nixternal> no linking, nadda
[16:09] <stdin> who's in charge of those docs again? ;)
[16:09] <nixternal> I just copy what I need into the chroot and work that way
[16:09] <nixternal> stdin: MOTU now
[16:09] <Jucato> well they're sort of rewriting the packaging guide :)
[16:09] <nixternal> actually, the PDF/HTML doc is going away as the guide is now on the wiki
[16:10] <stdin> wow, that's for edgy too
[16:10] <stdin> someone (not me) should update them
[16:10] <nixternal> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PackagingGuide
[16:10] <Jucato> stdin: good luck with the Kubuntufication of the wiki btw :)
[16:10] <DaSkreech> nixternal: I link /dev
[16:11]  * DaSkreech gentle topples CPrgmSwR2 into #kdegames
[16:11] <stdin> Jucato: it's on my (ever growing) todo list :p
[16:11] <nixternal> no need to...I build my chroot once, get it config'd with everything I need, and then back it up
[16:11] <nixternal> kubuntufication of the wiki?
[16:11]  * stdin thinks he invented the words: kubuntuification  and  gnomified
[16:11] <nixternal> heh
[16:12] <nixternal> gnomified, does that mean "to make stupid"?
[16:12] <nixternal> :p
[16:12] <Jucato> kubuntufication not kubuntuification :)
[16:12] <stdin> kubuntufication: adding kubuntu instructions to gnomified instructions
[16:12] <stdin> gnomified: gnome centric pages
[16:12] <nixternal> so kubuntufication means "to make better"
[16:12] <nixternal> :)
[16:12] <stdin> indeed :)
[16:13] <nixternal> you know the other day at school, someone told me the KDE mascot was stupid
[16:13] <nixternal> I wanted to fight, just because someone dissed Konqi...damn them!
[16:13] <stdin> at least it's not a strange footprint :p
[16:13] <Jucato> kubuntUIfication = make kubuntu front-ends to ubuntu tools..
[16:13] <nixternal> man, I wish I still had my Dr. Scholl's t-shirt
[16:14] <CPrgmSwR2> I wonder if the gnome developer had a foot fetish
[16:14] <stdin> KDE: for those who want a REAL mascot
[16:14] <nixternal> I had a t-shirt I got somewhere for signing up for something a long time ago
[16:14] <nixternal> and the shirt had the gnome foot (which I didn't even realise at the time) and it said "Your feet stink" on the front with a dr. scholls thing on it
[16:14]  * Jucato recalls how one deployment chose KDE because of the bouncing icons...
[16:15] <DaSkreech> stdin: No I've heard of gnomified before
[16:15] <nixternal> everyone hates the bouncing icon...I have never disabled it
[16:15] <Jucato> nixternal: well, not everyone... just most :)
[16:15] <nixternal> true
[16:15] <nixternal> yesterday was awesome
[16:15] <stdin> DaSkreech: if it was in here or #kubuntu, it was probably from me :p
[16:15] <Jucato> but bouncing icon > generic spinning hourglass right?
[16:16] <nixternal> I was teaching/tutoring to some java students
[16:16] <Jucato> and?
[16:16] <nixternal> I was using my lappy, Kubuntu of course, and the students were using the campus desktops, win xp
[16:16] <CPrgmSwR2> i hate java
[16:16] <DaSkreech> stdin: No in writing
[16:16] <Jucato> hush!!
[16:16] <nixternal> and half way through, everyone of their machines bluescreened at the same exact time
[16:16] <Jucato> let him get to the punchline!
[16:16] <Jucato> roflmao! :)
[16:16] <nixternal> now if I could just get the pic off of my phone and onto the internet, I would love it
[16:16] <stdin> DaSkreech: damn! but kubuntuification is all mine
[16:17] <nixternal> 30 machines all had a bsod
[16:17] <DaSkreech> stdin: Agreed
[16:17] <Jucato> hahahah!
[16:17] <nixternal> I kept working away
[16:17] <nixternal> they were like "whoa, hold up, our computers crashed."
[16:17] <nixternal> I did the "that's what you get for depending on Microsoft" stuff
[16:17] <stdin> the only blue screen I see is my login screen :p
[16:18] <Jucato> and the wallpaper :)
[16:18] <nixternal> told them I wouldn't wait on Microsoft, even if Jesus was carrying it
[16:18] <CPrgmSwR2> Did you know windows Vista has a red screen too
[16:18] <stdin> and a couple of my wallpapers, but thats on a slideshow, so not all the time
[16:18] <Jucato> vista... ripped of kbfx and superkaramba...
[16:18] <nixternal> CPrgmSwR2: and a blackscreen
[16:18] <nixternal> Vista doesn't have a blue screen, just a black and red screen of death now
[16:19] <nixternal> how do you do wallpapers on a slideshow?
[16:19] <CPrgmSwR2> it has blue screens too, my friend had one
[16:19] <stdin> my mom uses vista, every time you click something it halts the system and says "are you really sure you want .... to happen?"
[16:19] <nixternal> really? I read somewhere it didn't
[16:19] <Jucato> nixternal: right-click on desktop ->Configure Desktop -> Slideshow?
[16:19] <nixternal> damn, I never noticed that before
[16:19] <nixternal> I guess that's what I get for being old school
[16:19] <stdin> it's a standard kde feature :p
[16:19] <stdin> been there for years nixternal
[16:19] <nixternal> the only thing I tweak with kde is the wallpaper and the kicker
[16:19] <CPrgmSwR2> nixternal: Windows Vista sux they what it ask if you want to do something
[16:20] <nixternal> you can shut that off btw, but guess what, you are vulnerable once again
[16:20] <CPrgmSwR2> nixternal: say you want to delete a file, you have to answer about 3 dialog boxes before you can delete the damn file
[16:20] <nixternal> that is Microsoft top-notch security system at work for you
[16:20] <nixternal> CPrgmSwR2: I know, I have a vista box here that I play Call of Duty 4 on, and attempt to build kde 4 on
[16:20] <nixternal> which has yet to be successful
[16:21] <stdin> if you want to execute an exe from downloading it's: download -> run -> yes -> yes -> allow -> allow -> (install) -> allow
[16:21] <CPrgmSwR2> lol
[16:21] <nixternal> one more allow at least after that
[16:21] <CPrgmSwR2> for running it
[16:21] <stdin> yep
[16:22] <CPrgmSwR2> Although I am suprized it doesn't ask if you want to allow the program to use the internet too
[16:22] <nixternal> I shut that crap off, it got way to annoying to run
[16:22] <stdin> and if the installer adds registry entries, add another "allow" after "(install)"
[16:22] <CPrgmSwR2> Its almost shocking the amount of progress linux has made in the last 3 years
[16:22] <nixternal> it would ask me if I want to play CoD4 everytime I clicked on the icon
[16:22] <nixternal> I am like, ya dipshit, I want to play
[16:23] <stdin> I had to setup a network printer so my mom could print wirelessly, on kubuntu 3 mins, on vista, 4 hours
[16:23] <CPrgmSwR2> Business are thinking about skipping Vista for the next os that should be released in 2009 or 2010
[16:24] <nixternal> the funny thing, I don't know if any of you remember Corel Linux from the 90s, but truthfully, that was the first real mainstream desktop linux I had seen...I remember out of the box everything worked, it was Debian and KDE, it was fast, rock solid, and came with WordPerfect
[16:24] <nixternal> that would probably be my most favorite 1 hit wonder in the Linux world
[16:24] <CPrgmSwR2> Like some articles have said, there is a massive lack of advertisement for linux
[16:25] <nixternal> man, you got the entire Corel suite of applications, so you had real power with that system
[16:25] <stdin> well, I always carry a kubuntu cd on me :p
[16:25] <stdin> oh, and my gutsy CD's came today :D
[16:25] <nixternal> CPrgmSwR2: that is true...reason being is developers are trying to be marketers, and that just isn't going to happen
[16:25] <nixternal> I have 300 cds sitting right here still
[16:25] <CPrgmSwR2> if that new walmart system with gOS sells as well as it has, I think this could take care of some of that
[16:26] <nixternal> I am sure they will diminish come sunday though
[16:27] <CPrgmSwR2> nixternal: is there work currently be done to fix the partitioner wizard?>
[16:27] <nixternal> well the green pc has sold out thus far
[16:28] <nixternal> CPrgmSwR2: no clue, but from what I have seen, I would hope so
[16:28] <nixternal> although, ubiquity/parted is much nicer than anaconda's partitioner
[16:29] <Jucato> heh :)
[16:29] <nixternal> I was so lost when messing with it last week
[16:29] <CPrgmSwR2> nixternal: If I understand correctly, linux can detect a windows installation
[16:29] <nixternal> the only distros I have seen do it, are of the *buntu class
[16:29] <nixternal> there are others, but none of them were as successful
[16:29] <nixternal> ie. fedora, foresight, debian, can't remember the others
[16:29] <CPrgmSwR2> It would be nice if there where questions like keep windows but delete any linux installs
[16:30] <CPrgmSwR2> Or delete both windows and linux installs
[16:30] <nixternal> I thnk opensuse worked as well as pclos with windows partitions
[16:30] <nixternal> I think pclos allows you to write and severly corrupt your windows partitions (ntfs at that) as well
[16:30] <CPrgmSwR2> Interestingly pclos has been beating ubuntu in the pools on distro watch
[16:31] <nixternal> it was funny...our last lug meeting, there was a guy who was saying that Ubuntu is behind by not incorporating that ntfs crap
[16:31] <nixternal> and during his demonstration, he mangled his ntfs drive using that crap
[16:31] <nixternal> I laughed so hard at him
[16:31] <CPrgmSwR2> lol
[16:31] <nixternal> in his face at that
[16:32] <CPrgmSwR2> Hopefully their will be a global standard for file systems in the future that would cause Microsoft to use it
[16:32] <begert_> BOOYA...in your face (how I picture it)
[16:32] <nixternal> yup :)
[16:35] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Wait you've never had a slideshow for wallpapers?
[16:35] <DaSkreech>  my freind went crazy to get that working on Windows
[16:35] <CPrgmSwR2> nixternal: how long do you think it should take for LP to fix kde4 builds
[16:38] <nixternal> I have no clue...and I would hate to speculate, because I am currently upset with the sys admins
[16:39] <nixternal> I have a loco website that all I can do is look at
[16:39] <nixternal> I have about 5 emails in, beginning of october, without 1 single response
[16:39] <nixternal> not to happy with them
[16:41]  * nixternal goes to school
[16:41] <nixternal> back in a few hours
[16:41] <Jucato> ya
[16:41] <Jucato> yay
[16:42] <bddebian> Heya
[16:42] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[16:42] <bddebian> Heya Jucato
[16:56] <jpatrick> hola pgquiles
[16:57] <pgquiles> jpatrick: hi
[17:02] <mhb> hi folks
[17:07] <mhb> how's everyone?
[17:07] <Jucato> tha-tha-tha-that's alll folks (in Porky Pig-like manner)
[17:08] <mhb> Jucato: what's up, Duck?
[17:08] <Jucato> :)
[17:09] <Jucato> the rain clouds are up
[17:09] <Jucato> the rain is down :)
[17:09] <Jucato> mhb: still the same.. stuck in my ever procrastinating mood... stdin has even overtaken me wrt programming :)
[17:10] <Jucato> and I bet KDE 5 would have been released before I even get into Qt :)
[17:10] <stdin> with Qt4, but you're probably a better C++ coder than me
[17:10] <Jucato> er... I bet not :)
[17:11] <Jucato> "I bet that I'm not"
[17:11] <stdin> pointers still befuddle me
[17:12] <mhb> not that you need them much
[17:12] <stdin> even though I used 11 of them in my app
[17:12] <Jucato> pointers *and* recursion for me :)
[17:12] <Jucato> that's the magic of C++ isn't it? hehe
[17:12] <mhb> not at all
[17:12] <stdin> ooh, and encapsulation
[17:13] <mhb> pointers and funky bitwise operations (& and |) are the magic of C
[17:13] <stdin> anything longer than 3 or 4 letters
[17:13] <jdong> Jucato: the power of C++ is you get *4* sweet looking casting operators
[17:13] <Jucato> heh
[17:13] <jdong> it marks a societal change from round casting operators to angled ones :)
[17:13] <mhb> the *real* magic of C++ is I guess templates, and object orientation, overloading...
[17:13] <stdin> with the < > type brackets
[17:14] <jdong> mhb: agreed; templates and OOP are the biggies
[17:14] <stdin> templates I can do, that's not _too_ hard
[17:14] <Jucato> the power of C++ is that you().can().do().this().foo
[17:14] <stdin> templated classes are a bit more mind bending
[17:14] <jdong> Jucato: And the real benefits areSegmentation Fault
[17:15] <jdong> the stuff I hate the most are casting function pointers
[17:15] <mhb> stdin: if you can undestand template metaprogramming, you understand templates
[17:15] <jdong> it often looks like LISP by the time you're done
[17:15] <mhb> or whatever it is called
[17:15] <stdin> gdb is your friend :p
[17:16] <stdin> with -g3
[17:17] <Jucato> you're all talking geek...
[17:17]  * Jucato gets some more coke
[17:17] <mhb> Jucato: let's talk math, if you prefer
[17:17] <Jucato> still geek :P
[17:17] <mhb> I just got back from a real hard test today
[17:18] <mhb> I did one limit out of three in 90 minutes
[17:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: about the patches you had to kdelibs for xdg dirs
[17:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: I notice that the Document icon inthe speedbar lacks an icon, probably due to folder missing .directory entry
[17:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: shouldn't we merge the 2 patches so that the speedbar and folder are created the same way than for example "videos" ?
[17:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: I see no reason to make the same thing in 2 different ways, except a technical reason I might miss somehow....
[17:49] <Tonio_> can someone confirm the following bug with hardy and kde 3.5.8 ?
[17:49] <Tonio_> when you create a tar.gz archive, you get an error message, whatever you compress
[17:50] <Tonio_> but the archive is build correctly :/
[17:50] <Tonio_> I'll search for a fix if someone confirms that one
[17:50] <Jucato> mhb: will we be having a meeting this sunday?
[17:51] <mhb> Jucato: I had no time prepping it
[17:51] <Jucato> ok
[17:51] <Jucato> thanks
[17:51] <mhb> so I guess not, unless you send the mails and stuff
[17:51] <DaSkreech> Tonio_: command line or GUI ?
[17:52] <Jucato> who would listen to me? :)
[17:52] <Jucato> nah, better next week. more time for me to hide :)
[17:52] <mhb> Jucato: and Hobbsee didn't say any time when she could come
[17:52] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: qui
[17:53] <DaSkreech> Tonio_: No error
[17:53] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: hum, hardy ?
[17:53] <DaSkreech> Tonio_: Blast! Sorry :)
[17:54] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: did you use the konq context menu plugin to create the tar.gz file ?
[17:54] <Tonio_> works if I use ark standalone
[17:54] <DaSkreech> Yes
[18:12] <DaSkreech> We are number 4!
[18:15] <mhb> DaSkreech: 4?
[18:15] <mhb> of what?
[18:15] <DaSkreech> Popularity by IRC chan population
[18:19] <DaSkreech> Distrowatch had one of it's informal polls
[18:22] <_buz> that's gotta be one of the dumbest metrics they have come up yet
[18:22] <_buz> and there certainly is no shortage of dumb ones
[18:24] <DaSkreech> Dreamlinux had 2 people in the irc chan
[18:25] <mhb> too bad Mrs. Roberts doesn't hack for Kubuntu instead
[18:25] <mhb> too much potential wasted on ugly C bindings
[18:25] <DaSkreech> _buz: Well I think that Distrowatch keeps saying that the metric of who is at the top of Distrowatch clicklist is a stupid metric for long enough that just having other stupid metrics will make people believe them
[18:26] <_buz> possibly
[18:26] <_buz> i suggest we measure linux' market share by OS identifiers sent to windowsupdate.com
[18:27] <DaSkreech> Ohh I know people who do that
[18:27] <_buz> yeah they're called MS marketing monkeys
[18:27] <_buz> or IDG
[18:28] <_buz> or Gartner
[18:28] <_buz> which is all the same, anyway
[18:28] <mhb> let's care less about how many people uses it and concentrate on making people love it more!
[18:28] <mhb> ryanakca: how goeth convincing the admins about the Drupal install site?
[18:28] <mhb> ryanakca: is it time to use Riddell's superpowers?
[18:30]  * DaSkreech hugs mhb
[18:31] <mhb> DaSkreech: give me a bug, I'm bored
[18:31] <DaSkreech> bug 1
[18:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[18:32] <mhb> DaSkreech: give me a bug I can fix using my skills, not money :o)
[18:32] <DaSkreech> Ha ha
[18:32] <mhb> Python/C++ preferably
[18:32] <mhb> of course, if I had enough money I could pay everyone to ditch Windows, I'd do it
[18:33] <DaSkreech> I think you'd only need to pay one person
[18:34] <mhb> DaSkreech: anyway, do you have a bug for me or not?
[18:34] <DaSkreech> Make X crash less
[18:34] <DaSkreech> Oh!
[18:35] <DaSkreech> keyboard browsing in System settings
[18:35] <DaSkreech> that should be a nice one
[18:36] <mhb> DaSkreech: do you have a # for that?
[18:36] <mhb> no #, no bug, no fix :o)
[18:37] <DaSkreech> blast you! :)
[19:31] <nixternal> yo yo yo
[19:32] <jpatrick> nixternal: sup?
[19:32] <jpatrick> ;)
[19:32] <nixternal> just got home from such a wonderful trip to the library to start my working bibliography on "Digital Restrictions Imposed on Consumers"
[19:33] <jpatrick> nixternal: I think _czessi would appreciate it if you could +1 kio-ftps :)
[19:34] <nixternal> +1 :)
[19:39] <jpatrick> _czessi: kio-ftps uploaded
[19:56] <mhb> someone give me a bug
[19:57] <mhb> KDE related, C++/python possbily
[19:57] <mhb> and not The One
[19:58] <begert_> Bug #141284
[19:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 141284 in kdebase "konsole: WARNING about _attachPty()" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/141284
[19:58] <begert_> :P
[19:58] <nosrednaekim> Big #1
[19:58] <nosrednaekim> bug #1
[19:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[19:58] <nosrednaekim> use any programming language you want
[19:58] <mhb> nosrednaekim: hmm, someone cannot read, I guess
[19:58] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[19:58] <nosrednaekim> :D
[19:59] <mhb> 20:58 < mhb> and not The One
[19:59] <nosrednaekim> or type for that matter
[19:59] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[20:00] <mhb> begert_: warnings don't bug me
[20:00] <mhb> begert_: if it works and just gives a warning, I'm not going to fix it, KDE4 is around the corner anyways
[20:00] <mhb> give me something interesting
[20:01] <begert_> I was trying to find a bug that i could reproduce last night, thats all I could find
[20:02] <mhb> hmm, kopete still crashes on logout
[20:02] <mhb> I guess I'll do that, it still bothers me
[20:03] <begert_> bug #126760
[20:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 126760 in meta-kde "KDE: Transparency problem when coming from an empty desktop" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126760
[20:03] <begert_> I couldn't re-reproduce it though last night
[20:07] <mhb> begert_: are you from England?
[20:07] <mhb> or US or any english-speaking country
[20:11] <begert_> US
[20:12] <mhb> begert_: hmm, too bad... I've got some localization-related bugs needing a fix
[20:12] <begert_> sorry :(
[20:13] <mhb> begert_: no problem :o) just try harder and you'll find some
[20:15] <mhb> begert_: or, if you're real brave, you can do some Adept hacking :D
[20:16] <mhb> begert_: nothing really deep, just some nips and tucks in the UI
[20:16] <nosrednaekim> mhb: I'm from the US... anything you need help with?
[20:16] <nosrednaekim> oh.. NM
[20:17]  * nosrednaekim isn't reading very well today
[20:17] <mhb> nosrednaekim: unless you like getting dirty with translations...
[20:18] <nosrednaekim> never done them.
[20:18] <nosrednaekim> mostly everything is written in english and translated other wise;)
[20:19] <mhb> nosrednaekim: not "doing", but playing with
[20:19] <mhb> nosrednaekim: just switch to a language you understand and try e.g. launching systemsettings
[20:19] <mhb> and tell me if all items are translated
[20:20] <mhb> or Dolphin
[20:20] <nosrednaekim> I only know english...
[20:20] <mhb> shame on you and your school system :o)
[20:20] <mhb> don't you learn other languages?
[20:20] <nosrednaekim> spanish..
[20:20] <mhb> if I didn't learn other languages I wouldn't be speaking here with ya
[20:20] <begert_> enough spanish to pass high school
[20:21] <nosrednaekim> this ain't europe where eveyone know 3 languages ;)
[20:21] <nosrednaekim> begert_: same here... but you wouldn't me translating ;)
[20:21] <mhb> hmm, I'm going back to my kopete crash
[20:23] <begert_> good luck mhb
[20:23] <begert_> nosrednaekim: me neither
[20:26] <nosrednaekim> mhb: is the software selector in Adept written in qt4?
[20:26] <mhb> does it look ugly,
[20:26] <mhb> ?
[20:26] <nosrednaekim> *software source selector
[20:27] <Serega> Hi All!
[20:27] <mhb> if so, it is
[20:27] <mhb> and I think it is
[20:27] <nosrednaekim> mhb: no,but it looks like qt4
[20:27] <mhb> we really should ship Polyester for Qt4
[20:27]  * Serega 's chip fan has gone :(
[20:27] <mhb> Riddell: ^^ opinion?
[20:27] <nosrednaekim> mhb: yeah, we definately should
[20:28] <ryanakca> mhb: umm... I'll try poking them... again... but Riddell's superpowers are always helpfull
[20:28] <mhb> ryanakca: then please poke him about it once he's here
[20:29] <ryanakca> ok... what's going on with the website as it is?
[20:29] <mhb> nothing, it stagnates
[20:30] <ryanakca> ah... *doesn't want to change anything until nixternal is done making his changes*
[21:13] <puzzud> Hey guys, it appears some samba files were uploaded/created today that I can not access... are the file permissions correct with:  http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/samba/libsmbclient_3.0.26a-1ubuntu2.1_i386.deb  ?
[21:14] <nosrednaekim> puzzud: #ubuntu-motu
[21:14] <jpatrick> puzzud: you may have better luck in #ubuntu-devel
[21:14] <jpatrick> or there.. :>
[21:15] <nosrednaekim> ^^handles all repository issues
[21:53] <jpatrick> _czessi: hi!
[22:07] <jpatrick> apachelogger: kopete-otr +1
[22:08] <apachelogger> jpatrick: hm?
[22:09] <jpatrick> ...
[22:09] <jpatrick> that I approve of ti
[22:09] <jpatrick> it*
[22:09] <apachelogger> ah, thanks :)
[22:09] <apachelogger> jpatrick: I need a second revu, don't I?
[22:10] <jpatrick> and why did I have this feeling you'll do kgmailcheck? :)
[22:10] <jpatrick> yep
[22:10]  * apachelogger is just wondering who's going to do that :P
[22:10] <apachelogger> jpatrick: well, if it only had a build system ;-)
[22:11] <jpatrick> wait... 0.7 should be Inital release if it's not in the archives
[22:11] <apachelogger> well, 0.6 is in
[22:11] <jpatrick> ubuntu?
[22:11] <apachelogger> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=kopete-otr&searchon=names&subword=1&version=gutsy&release=all
[22:12] <jpatrick> In that case I can upload
[22:13] <apachelogger> ah, I thought so :D
[22:13]  * apachelogger slides over to #amarok to increase jpatrick's karma ;-)
[22:17]  * jpatrick violently attacks kgmailcheck ;)
[22:27] <jpatrick> apachelogger: kgmailnotifier: binary-without-manpage usr/bin/kgmailnotifier :O
[22:28] <apachelogger> jpatrick: considering it is not a binary....
[22:29] <jpatrick> ...we'll just +1 it
[22:31] <apachelogger> hooray
[22:40] <jpatrick> apachelogger: here's a challange: package ksquirrel
[22:41] <apachelogger> jpatrick: what is the issue with it?
[22:41] <jpatrick> nah, that's evil.. I found it almost impossible
[22:42] <apachelogger> hehe, got enough of those things right now
[22:42] <apachelogger> kscannerbuttons is kinda awful IMO
[22:42]  * jpatrick hopes TorK will pkg this time
[22:50] <jpatrick> apachelogger: khalkhicards +1
[22:51]  * apachelogger is considering to package some cookies for jpatrick


[00:05] <Kr0nZ> nvm fixed it, i had 2 video sources setup
[01:38] <jjkoletar> Hey, I just setup a box to be my dedicated mythbackend, but now when I try to use mythbackend, it can't find any UPnP backends (on the backend machine itself)
[13:09] <Muzer> right, something very odd is going on with my Mythbuntu installation and I'm determined to get to the bottom of it.
[13:09] <Muzer> Something is setting $LANG, $LANGUAGE, etc. to invalid values (like en_GB and en_GB:en rather than en_GB.utf8)
[13:10] <Muzer> I'm not 100% what, but I can hazard a guess that it's mythtv. The only config-looking file in my home directory or /etc that contains those values is .dmrc
[13:10] <Muzer> I've changed it in there, but it changes back every restart of X
[13:10] <Muzer> I then tried setting it read-only, but it got given write permissions
[13:10] <Muzer> I finally set it to immutable (chattr +i), but though the file didn't change, the incorrect values were still getting set
[13:10] <Muzer> and I still have no real clue what's causing it
[14:26] <mycoDA> muzer i very much doubt it is myth - it doesnt set locale
[15:10] <Muzer> mycoDA: when I was on the older version of Myth (the one in the main repo, I forget what it is), it did let me change it in .dmrc without it changing back, but it displayed "en_GB.utf8" in the language options for mythTV instead of the full name, once I had changed it
[15:11] <Muzer> then when I updated, changing it in .dmrc is no longer effective
[15:11] <Muzer> that's why I think it's Myth changing it...
[15:12] <mycoDA> so you changed dozens of things - and think it must be myth? that about right?
[15:12] <Muzer> I didn't change dozens of things
[15:13] <Muzer> As I said, I could only find one thing to change (.dmrc)
[15:13] <Muzer> and the language option in Myth itself
[15:14] <Muzer> of course, I'm not thinking it MUST be Myth - Myth just seemed like the strongest possibility to me.
[15:14] <Muzer> It could be anything else.
[15:15] <Muzer> (On a random note - how would you get things (eg an xrandr command to correct the DPI sent incorrectly by the monitor) to run at startup in Mythbuntu? I tried a few of the normal methods suggested on the Ubuntu wiki, none seemed to work)
[15:15] <mycoDA> i mean when you updated myth there would have been doaens of things at the same time
[15:16] <mycoDA> ~/.xsessionrc works for me
[15:16] <Muzer> ah, thanks
[15:16] <Muzer> I believe the Ubuntu wiki said ~/.xprofile
[15:16] <mycoDA> i have nvidia-settings in there, also start my eggdrop there
[15:17] <Muzer> as a workaround, assuming .xsessionrc gets run after whatever changes the locale (which may not be the case, but I may as well), would it be acceptable as a workaround just to export LANG, LANGUAGE, LC_ALL, etc. to the correct values in that file, too? Or would that not work?
[15:18] <mycoDA> i would just find the RIGHT way to set it
[15:18] <Muzer> yeah
[15:18] <Muzer> that's what I've been searching for ;)
[15:19] <Muzer> the main irritation is that I can't enter non-ASCII characters into xfce4-terminal...
[15:20] <mycoDA> which version is this?
[15:20] <Muzer> 10.10
[15:20] <Muzer> with Myth 0.24
[15:21] <mycoDA> am on 10.04 with 0.24fixes myself
[15:22] <mycoDA> Lucid is an LTS - lot of people sticking with it
[15:24] <mycoDA> have you checked /etc/default/locale , or is that where you are setting it?
[15:27] <mycoDA> Muzer
[15:27] <mycoDA> http://myotragusbalearicus.wordpress.com/2011/01/28/howto-change-the-locale-in-ubuntu/
[15:27] <Zinn> [myotragusbalearicus.wordpress.com] Howto change the locale in ubuntu « Blog about cooking, technology and something else
[15:29] <Muzer> mycoDA: /etc/default/locale has the correct locale
[15:29] <Muzer> LANG="en_GB.UTF-8"
[15:30] <Muzer> I'll give that a try, though
[15:32] <mycoDA> what does  /etc/environment say? anything about locale?
[15:32] <mycoDA> (shouldnt
[15:35] <Muzer> aha
[15:35] <mycoDA> ?
[15:35] <Muzer> for some reason LANG wasn't being set if it was the only one specified in /etc/default/locale :/
[15:35] <Muzer> I had to specify LC_ALL and LANGUAGE as well
[15:36] <mycoDA> uhuh
[15:36] <Muzer> yeah
[15:36] <mycoDA> should be about the only thing in /etc/default/locale
[15:36] <Muzer> a bit weird :P
[15:36] <mycoDA> mycosys@mycomyth:~$ cat /etc/default/locale
[15:36] <mycoDA> LANG="en_AU.UTF-8"
[15:36] <mycoDA> mycosys@mycomyth:~$
[15:36] <Muzer> huh...
[15:36] <Muzer> well, it appears to work now
[15:36] <Muzer> :/
[15:36] <Muzer> .xsessionrc didn't work... is it supposed to be +x?
[15:37] <Muzer> and/or have #!/bin/bash at the top?
[15:37] <mycoDA> mycosys@mycomyth:~$ ls .xsession*
[15:37] <mycoDA> -rw------- 1 mycosys mycosys 6709 2011-04-22 00:21 .xsession-errors
[15:37] <mycoDA> -rw------- 1 mycosys mycosys 4186 2011-04-15 12:13 .xsession-errors.old
[15:37] <Muzer> :/
 ~/.xsessionrc works for me
[15:38] <mycoDA> mycosys@mycomyth:~$ cat .xsessionrc
[15:38] <mycoDA> #! /bin/bash
[15:38] <mycoDA> #xsessionrc created by mycosys 26/3/2011
[15:38] <Muzer> oh, right
[15:38] <mycoDA> keyboard is set in xfce4
[15:39] <Muzer> keyboard? Huh?
[15:40] <mycoDA> you can set keyboard type via gui in xfce4
[15:40] <Muzer> what's that got to do with anything? :P
[15:40] <Muzer> hmm, I made .xsessionrc executable and added the shebang line, yet it still doesn't appear to be being executed on boot...
[15:41] <Muzer> or if it is, something else is overriding the DPI afterwards, for some reason...
[15:41] <mycoDA> is an aspect of language that may have been affecting you
[15:41] <mycoDA> have you set up xorg.conf?
[15:42] <mycoDA> no - tere is an xfce4 thing for dpi
[15:42] <Muzer> yeah, but it's only one value
[15:42] <Muzer> whereas the DPI is being set to a non-square value
[15:42] <Muzer> (128x96 to be precise, when it's supposed to be square)
[15:43] <mycoDA> odd
[15:43] <mycoDA> would kinda love to do that actually
[15:43] <Muzer> what, have a monitor with non-square pixels?
[15:43] <mycoDA> i already do
[15:43] <mycoDA> would like the system to know that lol
[15:44] <mycoDA> 56" rearprojection, not really a monitor
[15:45] <mycoDA> in /etc/default/console-setup what is your charmap set to?
[15:45] <Muzer> UTF-8
[15:45] <Muzer> it appears to be working now, anyway
[15:45] <Muzer> as I said, I just needed to set LC_ALL and LANGUAGE in /etc/default/locale
[15:45] <Muzer> for some reason :P
[15:45] <mycoDA> did u get .xsessionrc happenin?
[15:45] <mycoDA> odd
[15:46] <Muzer> no, .xsessionrc is still not being run
[15:46] <Muzer> I may as well just create an xorg.conf...
[15:48] <mycoDA> you need one if you plan to underclock your nvidia card lol
[15:48] <mycoDA> should also be switchin off compositing in there if ur using nv
[15:49] <mycoDA> gah - not nv - nvidia
[15:52] <Muzer> unforutunately it's an ATi card in this one
[15:53] <Muzer> I'm planning on buying a PCI NVIDIA one for VDPAU (it's an old AGP system, and no AGP cards support VDPAU)
[15:54] <mycoDA> there is a PCI one that does, but is a bad idea
[15:55] <mycoDA> just for reference, ATI + myth = pain
[16:00] <Muzer> well, I got this computer for free, and I don't care about using it for anything other than watching video
[16:00] <Muzer> so as long as it can handle the same video as my desktop's one (which according to the VDPAU feature sets at least, it can), it should be fine
[16:03] <mycoDA> yeah - but PCI cant
[16:04] <mycoDA> if VDPAU fails there isnt enough bandwidth to the card to software render and blit it
[16:07] <Muzer> yeah, I was wondering about that... someone told me that it should work OK, but I wasn't fully convinced...
[16:10] <Muzer> of course, I wouldn't be watching HD video without VDPAU
[16:10] <Muzer> as I don't believe the CPU could cope
[16:11] <Muzer> but I would potentially be watching DVD-quality stuff without it
[16:12] <mycoDA> have been advised by far those far more qualified than i (inc a software engineer) that it is a bad ideA
[16:12] <Muzer> hmm...
[16:13] <mycoDA> given how epically cheap an athlon2 and mobo are....... not worth payin $90 for a PCI 8400 when that will cover a mobo and cpu, $30 more for a gt210
[16:13] <Muzer> not planning on paying $90 ;)
[16:13] <mycoDA> 1G RAM if you need it is about $20
[16:13] <mycoDA> is what they cost, or more
[16:14] <Muzer> I've potentially found one that won't cost that much...
[16:14] <mycoDA> the pci ones are stupidly pricey
[16:14] <Muzer> I just have to hope nobody else finds it :P
[16:14] <mycoDA> kk - dont think too many would want it
[16:14] <Muzer> the PCI ones are presumably pricey because people want them for third monitors, or whatever
[16:14] <mycoDA> good for driving extra screens on a trader machine, not much else
[16:14] <Muzer> (does that even work?)
[16:14] <Muzer> yeah
[16:14] <mycoDA> uhuh
[16:15] <mycoDA> i tend to buy sli boards instead
[16:15] <Muzer> when you go fullscreen in mplayer, for example, is all the scaling done by software? Or is the original (decoded) video sent to the GPU which then scales it?
[16:19] <mycoDA> depends on how you are doing it
[16:20] <Muzer> the sane way, whatever that may be ;)
[16:20] <mycoDA> not sure which of the renderers scale in hardware and which do it only in software
[16:20] <Muzer> I would have assumed things like xv scale in hardware...
[16:20] <mycoDA> depends then if the card can
[16:21] <mycoDA> and depends if the codec supports that renderer lol
[16:21] <mycoDA> and no - i dont really know which do and dont
[16:21] <Muzer> well
[16:22] <Muzer> if I can get a card for reasonably cheap, I'll find out if it'll work and report back ;)
[16:24] <mycoDA> xv supports hardware scaling, so any modern card should
[16:24] <mycoDA> but srsly - i would strongly recommend a quicker machine
[16:25] <mycoDA> partly for the sake of the database, esp if you have a lot of channels (we only have 15 FTA, but Pay tv onto that and you would likely have trouble)
[16:29] <mycoDA> better get to bed - way late lol
[16:29] <mycoDA> good luck :)
[17:10] <qwebirc28456> Hey guys, I'm having a problem with MOTD that just starting appearing in the past 3 or 4 days or so.  when I ssh into my box, the motd tells me I have updates available.  However, when I run apt-get, there are none.  Even when there /are/ updates available, and I apply them -- motd still tells me the same:  56 can be updated, 18 security updates.    Any thoughts?
[17:58] <kees> qwebirc28456: double-check that /etc/motd.tail doesn't accidentally have an old release's motd in it
[18:00] <kees> qwebirc28456: and you can forcibly re-generate the motd by running this as root:  run-parts --lsbsysinit /etc/update-motd.d > /var/run/motd
[18:01] <qwebirc28456> hrm, as root I still get a /var/run/motd permission denied?
[18:14] <mrand> qwebirc28456: you used sudo?  What does this show?   ls -l /var/run/motd
[18:18] <qwebirc28456> yep.  hang tight.  was running a backup let me let that finish real fast
[18:19] <qwebirc28456> sudo run-parts --lsbsysinit /etc/update-motd.d > /var/run/motd
[18:19] <qwebirc28456> -bash: /var/run/motd: Permission denied
[18:19] <qwebirc28456> ls -l /var/run/motd
[18:20] <qwebirc28456> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 181 2011-04-21 11:19 /var/run/motd
[18:20] <qwebirc28456> bizarre...
[18:58] <superm1> qwebirc28456, you can't use > with sudo
[18:59] <superm1> you'll need to use something like tee
[18:59] <superm1> run-parts --lsbsysinit /etc/update-motd.d | sudo tee /var/run/motd


 Been using Ubuntu for a while and have read the packaging guide. I understand it. I just don't know how to go about finding things to package that aren't already in the repos.
[02:02] <JeavesJeaves> Any help?
[02:03] <JeavesJeaves> Whatever, I've gotta go.
[02:04] <Unit193> There's still fixing other MOTU packages, but Ubuntu tends to like new ones in Debian first, unless it fits with phone plans or whatnot.
[08:01] <dholbach> good morning