[00:48] <diddledan> m00m00
[03:27]  * diddledan blows raspberries
[04:19] <knightwise> morning
[04:19] <diddledan> allo
[04:20] <knightwise> taking the train to work today. have mercy on my soul
[04:30] <diddledan> eep
[04:30] <diddledan> good luck!
[04:36] <mapps> hey
[04:36] <mapps> how long does it take knightwise
[04:36] <mapps> so whos up diddledan / daftykins and zmoylan-1?:)
[04:36] <diddledan> hi mapps
[04:36] <mapps> :D
[04:36] <diddledan> ooh, new build of win10!
[04:37] <diddledan> he says unashamedly in a linux channel
[04:37] <mapps> ;D
[04:37] <mapps> INCLUDES SPARTAN?
[04:37] <mapps> oops
[04:37] <diddledan> yup
[04:38] <diddledan> arrived sometime in the last few hours I guess - the date on the announcement is 30th but that's in american money
[04:49] <mapps> nice
[04:53] <mapps> ever see people/photos and you can tell right away what people are like?
[04:53] <mapps> ok dont judge a book by a cover and all that
[04:54] <mapps> but when i go on facebook more often than not you can tell who's a thick chav / whos a bit of a tart
[04:54] <mapps> just by the pictures
[06:59] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:02] <diddledan> moo
[08:05] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:05] <bashrc> morning
[08:31] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy World Backup Day!  :-D
[08:50] <foobarry> anyone use mendeley or similar tool?
[08:51] <foobarry> wondered if it was possible to have an onsite version
[08:52] <foobarry> seems not possible :(
[08:56] <Myrtti> morning
[08:59] <davmor2> JamesTait: Man my backup day is thursday not tuesday
[09:02] <DJones> No command 'Man' found,
[09:03] <foobarry> no manual page for 'my' found
[09:03] <popey> Every day is backup day! \o/
[09:14] <zmoylan-pi> apart from the day the system dies as writing over a backup with file corruption just seems silly :-)
[09:26] <selinuxium> Erm... This is a new one on me... Dev box /opt ran out of space. not the boot directory.
[09:27] <selinuxium> Removed several gig and the server is still showing 100% utilisation?? Rebooted still the same.
[09:27] <selinuxium> Any ideas?
[09:27] <foobarry> btrfs?
[09:27] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:28] <diddledan> allo
[09:28] <selinuxium> Standard file system.
[09:28] <diddledan> SFS?
[09:28] <selinuxium> sat on a SAN
[09:28] <diddledan> never heard of the Standard file system
[09:28] <selinuxium> ext4
[09:28] <diddledan> better! :-p
[09:28] <diddledan> be splefic
[09:29] <selinuxium> :P
[09:29] <diddledan> splelific
[09:29] <diddledan> (the extra L is important :-p)
[09:29] <popey> keep taking the meds diddledan
[09:29] <selinuxium> Unless you faff with the install... :)
[09:29] <diddledan> popey: always :-p
[09:31] <selinuxium> diddledan, So apart from the pedantry, any ideas? :)
[09:32] <popey> lsof and see what files are open / growing
[09:32] <selinuxium> Already done an fsck
[09:32] <diddledan> damn you pre-empted my reply, selinuxium
[09:32] <diddledan> open files should be fixed by a reboot
[09:33] <foobarry> what is in /opt on your install selinuxium
[09:33] <selinuxium> the rest of my dev system... Mainly a cobol DB and binarys
[09:34] <foobarry> cobol!?
[09:34] <selinuxium> /dev/sdb1                   296G  283G     0 100% /opt
[09:34] <selinuxium> Yup
[09:34] <diddledan> inode limit?
[09:35] <selinuxium> 7%
[09:35] <selinuxium> Already thought of that..
[09:35] <popey> du -hs /opt
[09:36] <selinuxium> Taking it's time to respond....
[09:36] <selinuxium> 283G    /opt
[09:37] <foobarry> its possible to removed files that existed in another folder
[09:37] <foobarry> but were symlinked
[09:38] <selinuxium> /dev/sda1                   228M   86M  131M  40% /boot
[09:38] <selinuxium> Not at utilisation anywhere atm.. .
[10:03] <selinuxium> Carried on deleting files and got some space back... /dev/sdb1                   296G  276G  5.2G  99% /opt
[10:04] <popey> selinuxium: sudo lsof | grep opt
[10:04] <popey> also, iotop
[10:08] <Laney> what's that hideous smell wafting up the stairs?
[10:09] <Laney> oh, my trainers drying on the radiator
[10:09] <Laney> :( :( :(
[10:09] <foobarry> smell = bacteria
[10:09] <foobarry> you are probably a walking fungus
[10:09] <zmoylan-pi> or stepped in something
[10:09] <Laney> they are quite holey
[10:10] <Laney> so they absorb most of what comes out of the sky
[10:12] <selinuxium> popey, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10711272/
[10:26] <diddledan> /opt/common/ACTT is using 442million blocks?
[10:26] <diddledan> 512KB block means 220GB
[10:27] <diddledan> (if I'm correct. remember IANAL)
[10:29] <selinuxium> diddledan,  ll -h /opt/common/ACTT          -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 422M Mar 31 11:19 /opt/common/ACTT*
[10:29] <diddledan> aah ok
[10:30] <diddledan> I'm wrong. how rare :-p
[10:30] <selinuxium> ha ha! :)
[10:30] <selinuxium> I am fairly used to being wrong...
[10:31] <selinuxium> Ask the other half... -_-
[10:32] <selinuxium> I still don't understand the problem in that nothing adds up...
[10:32] <foobarry> another day, another user who mentions that usb drives from pcworld are cheaper than enterprise storage :-|
[10:34] <selinuxium> foobarry, It is amazing isn't it...
[10:35] <foobarry> go ahead, you'll be back when you want fast backed-up storage attached to a HPC cluster
[10:36] <zmoylan-pi> or someone trips over all the usb cables trailing across the floor interwoven with power bricks and power leads and power strips
[10:36] <foobarry> do they think we have a big server in the Datacentre with a load of chained usb drives?
[10:37] <foobarry> like popeys microserver?
[10:38] <popey> that was less trip and more yank
[10:39] <zmoylan-pi> it's a cunning ploy in case there's a police raid :-) a self destructing server
[10:42] <davmor2> selinuxium: you don't understand how other halves work do you,  When they are wrong it's your fault so you are wrong, when you wrong then it's your fault and you are as wrong as if you were right ;)
[10:46] <selinuxium> *nods sagely*
[10:53] <foobarry> why is this the case?
[10:53] <foobarry> it is true
[10:53] <foobarry> but why so universal
[10:57] <foobarry> wow. shared parental laeve
[10:57] <foobarry> i wish i had that option
[10:59] <davmor2> foobarry: universal constants it what keeps the universe in harmony :)
[11:00] <foobarry> so i have a question..
[11:00] <foobarry> what if everyone in the country did 35hr week?
[11:00] <foobarry> without exception
[11:00] <foobarry> what would happen? economically? socially?
[11:00] <zmoylan-pi> politicians would never let it happen, they'd have to work!!
[11:01] <foobarry> work can be done within contracted hrs
[11:01] <foobarry> teachers only doing 9-5 , nurses, politicians,
[11:01] <foobarry> what would it look like?
[11:01] <foobarry> happier marraiges? worse? more babies? healthier citizens?
[11:01] <davmor2> foobarry: the country would grind to a halt and implode
[11:01] <foobarry> why?
[11:02] <foobarry> i do a productive week within my contract hrs. i've done the 55hr weeks too earlier in life
[11:02] <zmoylan-pi> because doctors when training do 60-80 hour weeks or it would take twice as long to train them
[11:02] <foobarry> more people get sick as a result, some long term burn out
[11:03] <foobarry> i don't think any of these are reasonable arguments
[11:03] <foobarry> then it takes 2x as long
[11:03] <foobarry> but when they get there, it will be a regular job, not crazy
[11:04] <zmoylan-pi> i don't think you can just make it take twice as long.  i think it's partially a shakedown trial to see if they can survive the worst that medicine can throw at them in the event of disaster
[11:04] <foobarry> but if they only work contracted hrs then they don't need crazy training
[11:05] <foobarry> long term, think of the effect on the country
[11:05] <foobarry> slower pace of life
[11:05] <foobarry> people being productive within their hrs
[11:05] <foobarry> happier nation?
[11:05] <foobarry> london is crazy busy and its killing everyone
[11:06] <foobarry> did it contribute to the pilot going mad?
[11:06] <davmor2> music music music music music music music music music music music :P
[11:06] <ahayzen> davmor2, oi ;)
[11:07] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: So...a 35hr week would cull the population through disease and thus stave off global warming?
[11:08] <zmoylan-pi> hmmmmm, soylent green...
[11:08] <davmor2> ahayzen: for mine and MooDoo and popey 's generation you need to add a filter that adds a low motor sound and the odd skip of a second or so call it vinyl mode :)
[11:09] <zmoylan-pi> and a button to add the sound of a record arm been dragged across the grove for those dramatic moments that require it :-)
[11:09] <ahayzen> davmor2, heh ... 70s onwards i'm cool with :) ... being a 90/00s kid
[11:09] <TwistedLucidity> What should be prevented (or severely curtailed) are zero-hour contracts.
[11:12] <zmoylan-pi> it may be they are needed. i'd just charge companies that use them per person a tax to cover the dole of the person on zero hour contract to top their wages up to weekly wage. just in case they're been used inappropriately
[11:12] <popey> davmor2: have you seen Raised by Wolves on channel 4?
[11:13] <davmor2> popey: no I should but then I see wolves often enough
[11:14] <popey> its rather good
[11:14] <popey> one of the best things on telly IMO
[11:18] <davmor2> popey: it would help if it was based in wolverhampton I guess, and you can tell that the actor ain't from round here, not enough R's and *$@*££*$^&*&^£(*&^£$)*£^££("*&^)"^£*(^(*£&^(£*^££&*(^£* or expletives that are discernible
[11:19] <popey> :)
[11:20] <davmor2> popey: and in the clip I just saw they had books that would knocked off DVD's here why would they waste bookshelf space on books :D
[11:21] <shauno> zmoylan-pi: stop dragging the needle and you won't have to emulate skips :)  poor abused records :(
[11:21] <popey> I think that's the point, they're seen as wierd pikeys by the neighbourhood, but they're all quite articulate
[11:24] <davmor2> popey: I'll have to have a look at some point
[11:28] <foobarry> i know i should never read the comments..but the independent has some of the most deranged ones out there
[11:29] <diddledan> foobarry: trolls be trolls
[11:29] <foobarry> they are more than that
[11:29] <foobarry> all have some bee in their bonnet
[11:32] <diddledan> bzzzz
[11:33] <diddledan> if you're ever lost and you hear a bee going buzzz buzzz, then the best idea is to hop on the bus and head to the nearest bus-station
[11:34] <foobarry> more pills please nurse
[11:34] <DJones> Have some dried frog pills foobarry
[11:34]  * foobarry hands them to diddledan
[11:35] <diddledan> also if you're ever stuck in a locked room with just a table then rub your hands till they're sore, saw the table in half and put the two halves together again to make a whole. finally climb through the hole to get out.
[12:23] <foobarry> what do you guys pay for building+contents insurance for a year?
[12:28] <shauno> argh.  just wasted 3 whole hours trying to troubleshoot why a site keeps acting so screwy.  3 hours.  the answer turns out to be "the customer clicks "reset to defaults" when he's bored"
[12:29]  * zmoylan-pi passes shauno a fully charged cattle prod
[12:29] <Myrtti> I wonder if our conservatory is going to fly off
[12:31] <diddledan> shauno: really?!
[12:32] <shauno> yes.  every time they were sent to a page to read off a setting, they "fiddled with stuff" while they were there.
[12:33] <awilkins> "Oh, maybe this will fix it. If both of us are working on it in parallel, it may get fixed faster!"
[12:33] <diddledan> ffs
[12:33] <diddledan> blinking clients
[12:34] <diddledan> I swear there should be an intelligence/sanity test before taking on new customers
[12:35] <zmoylan-pi> that reminds me of the time i was checking the network cabling at a retail location and had cable tester plugged in 2 floors apart and had lots of problems till i found my boss was disconnecting the cable tester to 'help me'
[12:35] <diddledan> err
[12:36] <zmoylan-pi> no i never worked out how that was to help me either.  i would also add i was in serious pain at the time and was hospitalised for 6 weeks that year for various bits of surgery
[12:36] <zmoylan-pi> and climbing those flights of stairs about 30 times that day really helped
[12:36] <diddledan> >.<
[12:37] <diddledan> sugary is not fun.. well the morphine is fun.. but the pain isn't
[12:37] <diddledan> I loved the morphine they gave me for my gall bladder ectomy
[12:38] <diddledan> I was high as a kite
[12:38] <diddledan> I can understand the addictive nature
[12:38] <diddledan> I want to have another surgery just for the awesome after effect :-p
[12:39] <popey> sugary sounds great!
[12:39] <diddledan> popey: it's sweet
[12:40] <diddledan> but fattening :-(
[12:43] <shauno> I was going to say they have surgery for that too, but I'm not sure that'd get you morphine
[12:46] <Myrtti> I didnt' get any morphine :-|
[12:46] <Myrtti> the anesthetic/sedative for the operation was great though
[12:46] <Myrtti> can totes understand why MJ was a fan
[12:47] <diddledan> yeah, I donno if it was morphine, I'm just using that as a catch-all for anaesthetic
[12:48] <diddledan> https://www.google.co.uk/#safe=off&q=%3Cblink%3E+html
[12:49] <diddledan> that's evil
[12:49] <diddledan> almost as bad as marquee
[13:08] <TwistedLucidity> Myrtti: Morphine is awesome
[13:09] <TwistedLucidity> Cartoon channel, 3am, out of my skull on morphine. Brilliant. For the avoidance of confusion, I was in hospital at the time.
[13:11] <zmoylan-pi> could have been the test card AND morphine and it would still have been brilliant
[13:22] <popey> only experience I have of morphine is watching my dad die while on it
[13:24] <zmoylan-pi> my mother was moved to diamorphine when she reached last day or two.  essentially heroin.  didn't stop the pain at the end
[13:57] <Myrtti> I watched mum on the pump for a month, took turns with my sister on sleeping on a mattress on the hospital room floor
[13:57] <Myrtti> I hate them pumps
[14:03] <popey> yeah :(
[14:07]  * elfy touches wood
[14:10] <Myrtti> they are especially hated when the patient clogs up and the pump doesn't deliver the medication anymore and starts to beep
[14:11]  * awilkins hated re-siting the venous lines for said pumps
[14:11] <popey> hmm, my laptop has suddenly got slow networking wise, 5Mb/s up/down on speedtest
[14:11] <popey> network to other machines on LAN is fine
[14:11] <popey> and other machines out to internet are fine
[14:11] <awilkins> Is it running Windows and/or playing an MP3 ?
[14:11] <zmoylan-pi> reboot the machine?
[14:12] <popey> I'd rather find out what's wrong than do a windows and reboot it
[14:12] <popey> it's my x220
[14:12] <popey> been slow all day
[14:12] <popey> (since I rebooted)
[14:12] <popey> trying to figure out how to diagnose what's causing it
[14:13] <foobarry> iptraf
[14:14] <awilkins> I had a weird network crash after running a very large rsync transfer the other day, the wired adapter just gave up and sulked
[14:19] <popey> switched from wired to wifi, still throttled
[14:20] <Myrtti> we're going to have a fun evening today, dsample is getting a new NEW laptop
[14:21] <popey> oooh
[14:22] <Myrtti> XPS 15 with the 4K display
[14:22] <Myrtti> gonna pop Ubuntu on it :-D
[14:22] <Myrtti> well, I assume that's his plan
[14:22] <Myrtti> who knows, he might actually put Gent... no. he wouldn't
[14:23] <popey> Is that the new one? I think there's some issues with that device still
[14:23] <popey> touchpad driver iirc
[14:23] <awilkins> Touch PAD or touch SCREEN
[14:24] <awilkins> And I thought it was the touchscreen and that it had been fixed, but that's just a rumour
[14:26] <foobarry> my keyboard keeps going mad with keyboard repeat
[14:26] <foobarry> its a new machine
[14:26] <foobarry> probably bad driver :(
[14:27] <Myrtti> well, we'll see how it fares, I suppose
[14:28] <Myrtti> I hope I don't stop making sense - I'm planning to pay for the wedding venue, celebrant and photographer in a bit and in preparation have taken to the rhubarb wine bottle
[14:28] <davmor2> popey: my desktop is wired and way way faster than my wifi laptop.  Laptop is 19.23 down and 5.94 up, pc is 68.34 down and 5.82 up.
[14:29] <Myrtti> atleast this time I don't need to cash into my investment funds savings like I had to the last time I had to pay a big family occasion bill
[14:29] <davmor2> popey: did you get pitti's nm-indicator minus dbus on your laptop
[14:30] <Myrtti> that hurt badly
[14:30] <Myrtti> made a good 500 loss on that move
[14:30] <popey> davmor2: yeah, just updated again and got new nm
[14:30] <popey> seems better now
[14:30] <popey> up to 90Mb/s down, was 5Mb/s :(
[14:37] <msm__> Hi there
[14:38]  * popey suspects wrong window
[14:38] <popey> hello msm__
[14:41] <msm__> popey: hey :) My fingers skipped windows  .. but thanks for the "hello" :)
[15:02] <foobarry> mmm purple opal fruits
[15:07] <davmor2> msm__: you'll alway have a hello here, nothing useful like, but at least a hello :)
[15:07] <msm__> davmor2: Helloooo :)
[15:52] <popey> davmor2: can you speedtest-cli a few times for me if you're on up to date vivid?
[15:52] <popey> Mine varies wildly
[15:53] <davmor2> popey: give me 5
[15:53] <davmor2> popey: don't forget the wind ;)
[15:54] <popey> hah
[15:54] <davmor2> popey: just cause virgins pretty prompt if you are pinging a bt line at any point good luck ;)
[15:54] <popey> but other machines on my LAN are fine
[15:54] <popey> its not VM
[15:55] <popey> it's my machine.
[15:55] <davmor2> popey: then just ping your router will give you more accuracy I'd of thought
[15:57] <popey> ping isn't useful
[15:57] <popey> needs to be chunky download
[15:57] <popey> which my router can't give me
[15:57] <davmor2> popey: but you san can
[15:58] <popey> san?
[15:59] <davmor2> popey: server then
[15:59] <davmor2> popey: your massive array of disks on btrfs
[16:00] <davmor2> popey: that should still have less latency than the interwebz :D
[16:00] <popey> thats not my machine
[16:01] <popey> thats another machine
[16:01] <davmor2> popey: one excuse after another ;)
[16:01] <popey> hah
[16:02] <davmor2> popey: do you have more than one laptop in the house if so put an iso on one and copy that back and forth
[16:03] <popey> seriously...
[16:03] <popey> this issue only happens when this machine is getting from t'internet
[16:03] <davmor2> popey: hahahaha
[16:03] <popey> iperf from my machine to home server is GbE :)
[16:04] <popey> and works fine
[16:08] <davmor2> popey: so not the laptop and not the router which only leave the wind ;)
[16:09] <intrbiz> MTU set correctly?
[16:09] <davmor2> popey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10712965/
[16:09] <popey> Download: 81.15 Mbit/s
[16:09] <popey> from home server
[16:09] <popey> Download: 3.96 Mbit/s
[16:09] <popey> from laptop
[16:10] <daftykins> ouch
[16:11] <intrbiz> popey: laptop on wifi?
[16:11] <popey> no, wired
[16:11] <davmor2> popey: my laptop is slower but like 19.xx rather than 60.xx
[16:13] <davmor2> popey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10712978/
[16:13] <davmor2> popey: last one is laptop over desktop
[16:14] <daftykins> has vivid had multiple kernels that is worth testing between?
[16:14] <daftykins> *are
[16:15] <intrbiz> use the packets luke
[16:17] <popey> it's only got worse over the last day or so
[16:20] <davmor2> popey: I blame pitti's change to network-manager :)
[16:20] <popey> yeah
[16:22] <intrbiz> just blame network-manager
[16:25] <davmor2> intrbiz: no I think there were some big changes made. over night that landed
[16:43] <diddledan> http://www.thepoke.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/CBWu9giWgAE4Ifj.jpg
[16:46] <intrbiz> If only we could keep that situation for longer
[16:53] <diddledan> eww, the sun's coming out! >.<
[16:53] <diddledan> my eyes!!!!
[16:54] <daftykins> :D
[17:20] <DJones> +Damm,you forget that in some parts of the world its April 1st already, http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/133405-press-to-buy-amazon-s-new-dash-buttons-fit-anywhere-and-quickly-order-specific-products
[17:23] <MartijnVdS> DJones: Google has pac man in maps :)
[17:26] <DJones> MartijnVdS: Thats fair enough, when there was the partial eclipse the other week, I remember seeing a "picture" showing pacman eating the moon or something like that
[17:28]  * popey reboots router
[17:28] <diddledan> omg popey going offline?!
[17:28] <diddledan> seriously bad news!
[17:29]  * popey came back pretty quickly
[17:29] <diddledan> wb
[17:29] <diddledan> you didn't even disappear
[17:29]  * diddledan apt-get-moo's
[17:29] <apt-get-moo> heya
[17:29] <apt-get-moo> :D
[17:29] <diddledan> ello
[17:32] <popey> the benefit of running irssi in screen on a remote box
[17:37] <Myrtti> tadah
[17:38] <popey> uhoh
[17:38] <dsample> lol
[17:38] <Myrtti> you never know, he could have joined because m0nkey_ is here ;-)
[17:38] <Myrtti> or he could be here to give you a third degree
[17:39] <dsample> It’s not delivered yet. I’m hoping the recommendation isn’t ‘stick with windows for the moment’ :oP
[17:40] <diddledan> Myrtti: you'dathunk he might wander by because you're here, no?
[17:40] <Myrtti> lol no.
[17:40] <diddledan> :-p
[17:40] <Myrtti> I'm the IRC addict and his social secretary
[17:41] <diddledan> lol
[17:42] <Myrtti> lol @ stackexchange
[17:49] <dsample> She’s here (and on Google Hangouts), no need to have IRC as well
[17:49] <dsample> It’s weird how much we discuss through Hangouts even though we’re sitting next to each other
[17:49] <Myrtti> oh but that's just links
[17:55] <davmor2> popey: you getting better speed now?
[17:56] <Myrtti> delivery \o/
[17:56] <daftykins> how odd, the Crucial RAM i ordered to upgrade this cheap Lenovo just died
[17:59] <Myrtti> uuuuu says he
[17:59] <Myrtti> nice packaging
[18:02] <popey> heh
[18:02] <Myrtti> now we've got a tiny laptop and a big laptop
[18:02] <daftykins> diddledan: you played with the spartan browser in your win10 VM yet?
[18:02] <diddledan> daftykins: yup
[18:03] <daftykins> i'm letting mine update now
[18:03] <daftykins> cant believe their delivery mechanism was to have you download the entire disc image to the HDD
[18:04] <diddledan> really? mine updated via windows update
[18:05] <Myrtti> oh no!
[18:05] <Myrtti> the most difficult part of getting a new laptop
[18:05] <Myrtti> WHAT IS THE LAPTOP CALLED
[18:05] <Myrtti> woo
[18:06] <diddledan> Myrtti: fred
[18:06] <diddledan> or bob
[18:06] <diddledan> maybe barney
[18:06] <Myrtti> and good sensible chuckles were had.
[18:06] <Myrtti> thank you diddledan
[18:06] <Myrtti> nuu, he's being boring
[18:06] <daftykins> diddledan: yes but it downloaded the entire ISO contents to a hidden folder on C:\ then installed via that boot point replacement :)
[18:06] <shauno> mine's called "laptop"  :(
[18:06] <daftykins> diddledan: ah i've just logged in and see they have build 10041 ISOs for download now anyway
[18:07] <diddledan> alternatively Myrttis-MSI-ABC123
[18:07] <Myrtti> "xps15-win" whaaa
[18:07] <diddledan> (as ubuntu likes naming things)
[18:07] <Myrtti> boooooring
[18:07] <daftykins> yeah name is always the longest stage :(
[18:07] <diddledan> daftykins: we're on 10049 now
[18:07] <daftykins> diddledan: ja i knows it
[18:08] <daftykins> i've seen some hilarious auto generated names by ubuntu, they called some laptop "HP-Pavilion-G6000-somecodehere"
[18:08] <davmor2> Myrtti: depends on your naming convention
[18:16] <Myrtti> I've never heard him swear so much as now...
[18:16] <Myrtti> *rolleys* Windows Metro
[18:17] <daftykins> TIFKAM - the interface formerly known as metro :>
[18:17] <davmor2> Myrtti: he's liking the Windows 8 then
[18:17] <Myrtti> I'm just staring with a horrified expression
[18:17] <Myrtti> I didn't know he knew those words
[18:18] <daftykins> sounds like my reaction to both windows 8, 8.1 and Unity on Ubuntu ;)
[18:18] <daftykins> hmm, all three even :D
[18:18] <davmor2> Myrtti: just ask him to turn it off from the menu, stand back and wait for the explosion
[18:18] <Myrtti> he's backseating my IRC, ie. reading over my shoulder
[18:19] <daftykins> davmor2: but they added that.
[18:20] <daftykins> latest windows 8.1 update has power buttons in more sane places, but is still horrible overall :D
[18:20] <davmor2> daftykins: mine came with windows 8 it wasn't in then it is in settings rather than start neither make sense really but at least you could find it in start
[18:21] <daftykins> yeah your factory install was likely not up to date
[18:21] <Myrtti> he's checking what the laptop has preinstalled before connecting to tinternets
[18:21] <davmor2> daftykins: 8.1 wasn't released at the time
[18:23] <Myrtti> truly shocked, I'll tell you
[18:23] <Myrtti> the LANGUAGE!
[18:24] <dsample> It came pre-infected with McAfee!
[18:24] <davmor2> Myrtti: but he is only reading the messages on the screen out loud
[18:24] <diddledan> dsample: does it have superfish?
[18:24] <daftykins> davmor2: ah, redesign comment still stands though :>
[18:24] <Myrtti> I should take a photo of the setup now.
[18:25] <bashrc> You're setting up windows?
[18:25] <dsample> “Software removed”, yay, now I’m one step closer to connecting it to the Internet
[18:26] <daftykins> makes more sense to clean install a factory PC :)
[18:26] <dsample> bashrc: unfortunately some games only support Windows & OSX, so it makes a small amount of sense to keep a small Windows partition in the corner
[18:27] <dsample> Although, I’m starting to think if I want Windows 8.1 on here I should probably download a fresh ISO from my work MSDN subscription
[18:27] <daftykins> dsample: definitely :) what brand is this thing?
[18:28] <Myrtti> daftykins: Dell XPS 15 with the 4K display
[18:28] <daftykins> ah-har
[18:29] <diddledan> ooh, 4k!1
[18:29] <daftykins> i'd love one of the 1920x1080 res XPS 13s :>
[18:29] <daftykins> 15hrs battery \o/
[18:30] <bashrc> jeepers
[18:30] <daftykins> but then skylake is just around the corner, which might be even better
[18:30] <bashrc> I don't think I've ever had a laptop whose battery lasted longer than 3 hours
[18:30] <Myrtti> daftykins: ... I have that one
[18:31] <Myrtti> :-D
[18:31] <Myrtti> the battery doesn't last 15hrs tho
[18:31] <daftykins> i know!
[18:31] <daftykins> probably not with ubuntu, no
[18:31] <popey> grrrr
[18:31] <popey> Download: 1.97 Mbit/s
[18:31] <popey> Upload: 5.84 Mbit/s
[18:31] <daftykins> O_O
[18:31] <popey> I have no idea what to do now.
[18:32] <bashrc> drink tea?
[18:32] <daftykins> popey: haven't been multiple vivid kernels to try between, at all?
[18:32] <popey> kernel hasn't changed though
[18:32] <daftykins> oh compared with when it was acting normally?
[18:32] <popey> yeah
[18:32] <daftykins> ah
[18:32] <popey> maybe it has, i had a long uptime
[18:33] <popey> march 24 was last kernel change
[18:33] <daftykins> i was thinking anything that could've changed the LAN driver, though granted it could be something else
[18:33] <popey> its terible on wifi too
[18:33] <daftykins> mmm so must be another component in the chain
[18:34]  * bashrc backed up
[18:34] <Myrtti> awww, he needs to connect it to the Internet to claim the 20GB of Dropbox that came with the machine
[18:34] <Myrtti> oh the dilemma
[18:35] <Myrtti> the crowd goes wild
[18:35] <Myrtti> will he do it
[18:35] <bashrc> I would use Owncloud or syncthing
[18:35] <popey> this is all over the place
[18:35] <popey> Download: 19.66 Mbit/s
[18:35] <bashrc> the bandwidth Gods are fickle
[18:36] <popey> on wifi
[18:36] <Myrtti> bashrc: "yeah, but frrreee"
[18:36] <Myrtti> well that's not what he said
[18:36] <diddledan> popey: you don't have any torrents running on your network do you?
[18:37]  * popey rebootno
[18:37] <popey> no
[18:37] <diddledan> hmm
[18:37] <popey> and this is the only machine that has the issue
[18:37] <diddledan> maybe you're being DDoSed :-p
[18:37] <popey> speedtest on my desktop is fine
[18:37] <popey> and on my home server
[18:37] <diddledan> weird
[18:37] <davmor2> popey: is it intel wifi?
[18:37] <daftykins> popey: does iperf's results when testing between that system and another LAN system suffer too?
[18:37] <popey> daftykins: wired or wifi
[18:38] <popey> davmor2: ^
[18:38] <davmor2> popey: do you have any usb wifi dongle
[18:38] <davmor2> popey: could be intel across the board and one broken driver
[18:39] <popey> ah!
[18:39] <davmor2> popey: if you have a usb dongle plug that in see if that improves it
[18:39] <popey> its not just my laptop then
[18:39] <popey> my server ....
[18:39] <popey> Download: 2.38 Mbit/s
[18:39] <popey> Upload: 0.38 Mbit/s
[18:39] <daftykins> D:
[18:39] <popey> hmmm
[18:39] <popey> thing is the results are all over the place
[18:39] <diddledan> jaybers
[18:39] <davmor2> popey: that's a problem on the network then at a guess,  I blame the wind damn it ;)
[18:40] <diddledan> or your ISP or BT have overloaded the node
[18:40] <popey> running iperf between laptop and server
[18:40] <popey> oh, over wifi
[18:40]  * popey switches to lan
[18:40] <popey> [  3]  0.0-10.1 sec  25.2 MBytes  21.1 Mbits/sec
[18:41] <popey> over wifi
[18:41] <popey> [  3]  0.0-10.0 sec  1.09 GBytes   931 Mbits/sec
[18:41] <popey> over lan
[18:41] <popey> the one thing I have yet to reboot... cable modem
[18:41] <popey> cheerio everyone for a bit
[18:42] <popey> back in the room
[18:43] <Myrtti> now he's gotten bored and wants the Ubuntu USB stick
[18:43] <popey> incoming UEFI issues
[18:43] <popey> Download: 79.49 Mbit/s
[18:43] <popey> better..
[18:43] <diddledan> uefi issues?
[18:44] <popey> from Myrtti and mr Myrtti
[18:44] <diddledan> aah
[18:44] <davmor2> popey: shouldn't be any as long as uefi register the usb stick okay
[18:44] <popey> Download: 73.80 Mbit/s
[18:44] <popey> on server
[18:44] <popey> stupid cable modem
[18:45] <diddledan> that's sucky
[18:49] <MartijnVdS> 490/586
[18:50] <popey> git
[18:50] <MartijnVdS> (though the 586 was dropping and would eventually level out at 500)
[18:53] <Myrtti> key management o_____O
[18:53] <Myrtti> this bios is confuuuusing
[18:57] <daftykins> newp standard EFI talk :>
[18:57] <daftykins> but you don't have to worry about key management
[19:03] <Myrtti> jebus that's really the 4k display
[19:03] <Myrtti> grub menu is unreadable because the font is so small
[19:03] <Myrtti> well, nearly unreadable
[19:03] <daftykins> XD
[19:03] <diddledan> lol
[19:03] <daftykins> pics please!
[19:03] <Myrtti> wow the menus and the texts!
[19:03] <diddledan> grub really needs to learn how dpi works
[19:03] <Myrtti> lol, one sec
[19:04] <daftykins> i've still yet to work out how to set a sane DPI on the desktop of the LXDE session that comes with kodibuntu
[19:04] <Myrtti> "I have a feeling this is going to be slightly strenuous"
[19:04] <Myrtti> "although, accessibility menu..."
[19:05] <daftykins> if i log in to that instead of the sessions that runs Kodi, the pic on my 1080p TV is way too tiny
[19:05] <Myrtti> "well, trackpad works for the basic stuff"
[19:05] <Myrtti> I can't see the text on the menu
[19:05] <Myrtti> goddamn, what is this, laptop for ants?
[19:05] <Myrtti> Ubuntu for ants.
[19:05] <diddledan> wait till you plug it into a non-hi-dpi monitor and try having two different scaling settings for internal and external :-p
[19:07] <Myrtti> https://flic.kr/p/qWKMqF
[19:09] <Myrtti> lol he's trying to pinpoint london on the map
[19:09] <davmor2> hahaha
[19:10] <davmor2> can't you drag it to increase the size of the window?
[19:10] <diddledan> that won't change the font size
[19:10] <Myrtti> "noyp"
[19:11] <Myrtti> now we're back in the starting square
[19:11] <Myrtti> "what shall we call the laptop"
[19:11] <Myrtti> oh apparently he's wiping windows
[19:12] <diddledan> bert
[19:12] <Myrtti> now he's got two cursors
[19:12] <diddledan> \o/
[19:12] <diddledan> lol
[19:12] <Myrtti> "oh man now it'll probably start speaking"
[19:13] <diddledan> nah cortana isn't available yet
[19:13] <Myrtti> no the Ubuntu
[19:13] <diddledan> ^^^^
[19:13] <Myrtti> oh christ
[19:14] <Myrtti> he's named it bumblelion
[19:14] <diddledan> lol
[19:14] <diddledan> I'm going to fake elements
[19:14] <davmor2> hahaha
[19:14] <diddledan> I've got samsonite and carbonite so far
[19:14] <diddledan> think I need to rename my other two boxes
[19:15] <Myrtti> now he's thinking of gummibears as the names...
[19:15] <Myrtti> oh lawd
[19:15]  * Myrtti gets the take out menu
[19:16] <Myrtti> I don't think we're going to cook tonight, Toto
[19:17] <daftykins> ;]
[19:27] <Myrtti> no wifi...
[19:29] <popey> haha, love that pic Myrtti
[19:29] <popey> also, Myrtti what version you installing? :)
[19:30] <Myrtti> 14.10
[19:31] <Myrtti> it's not detected at all by Ubuntu, it seems
[19:31] <Myrtti> nothing in dmesg
[19:31] <Myrtti> bit stumped now
[19:31] <popey> lspci ?
[19:32] <popey> lspci | grep -i net
[19:32] <Myrtti> BCM4352
[19:33] <Myrtti> rev 3
[19:33] <Myrtti> ah found it
[19:38] <dsample> It’s strange that the device is supposedly certified Ubuntu within other laptops
[19:39] <popey> is it?
[19:40] <popey> It might be certified _when_ installed at factory with ubuntu pre-installed?
[19:40] <popey> i.e. dell add a ppa with the necessary nonsense in it?
[19:40] <dsample> http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/catalog/component/pci/14e4%3A43b1/
[19:41] <Myrtti> why would my USB stick be readonly filesystem
[19:41] <popey> "Pre-installed by manufacturer"
[19:41]  * Myrtti flips table
[19:41] <dsample> popey: oh, mouseover info
[19:41] <popey> yeah, sorry.
[19:42] <Myrtti> oh for *
[19:44] <dsample> Just wondering, is it a lengthy process to get drivers added to the base image? I’d have hoped devices for popular devices (which I presume the XPS line is) would be high on the ‘it just works’ requirements list
[19:44] <Myrtti> "It would actually help if I'd plug the USB in instead of putting it on the laptop"
[19:44] <Myrtti> poor thing, he's getting confused
[19:53] <diddledan> I just reported a gnarly bug to the windows insider feedback program - the windows app store allows to be configured to save apps and games to a drive other than C: (e.g. an in-built sd-card reader such as on my MS Surface Pro 3). it doesn't check whether this drive is formatted with ntfs and blindly tries to try installing apps causing it to fail with an obscure error code because the ACL system doesn't work on, for example, exFAT filesystems.
[19:59] <Myrtti> yay wifi!
[20:06] <Myrtti> if those are the icons that shipped with the system, oh my word.
[20:14] <Myrtti> "how do I..." "uuuuhhh install hexchat and ask popey *troll*"
[20:16] <Myrtti> "why do your icons look different" "because I've restored my settings from a backup" "I'd do that too but for some reason my old laptop doesn't boot anymore..." "..... sorry"
[20:16] <Myrtti> that font is ridiculous though
[20:18] <popey> hah
[20:21] <popey> ffs, internet has gone terrible again
[20:24] <daftykins> dsample: yep it'd be unworthy of time for a single system
[20:25] <daftykins> although windows 8.1 has a single option to hit on install, from legit media, to pull in all drivers auto
[20:25] <daftykins> given that XPS likely uses the intel on-die graphics you'd just enable that and it'll keep most drivers current
[20:26] <daftykins> audio + touchpad + any Dell utilities to drive hotkeys might be the only ones requiring manual intervention
[20:26] <daftykins> gotta nip off for xbox night now, bbl o/
[20:28] <Myrtti> well we used sneakernet for the drivers
[20:28] <Myrtti> was a bit of an effort tbh
[20:29] <awilkins> Windows drivers?
[20:29] <Myrtti> no, Linux wifi
[20:29] <awilkins> Ah, b34?
[20:29] <Myrtti> bcmwl yeah
[20:31] <Myrtti> "I can almost see the whole 400 games list on my steam on one screen on this"
[20:31] <Myrtti> *rolleyes*
[20:32] <Myrtti> *pout*
[20:39] <Myrtti> soon we'll know how this fares with Cities
[21:14] <popey> Turns out my internet issue.. UK wide.
[21:14] <popey> check out their twitter replies https://twitter.com/virginmedia/with_replies
[21:14] <directhex> the internet sucks
[21:14] <popey> sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry...
[21:26] <diddledan> popey: I can't even seem to get to www.virginmedia.com from a sky connection
[21:28] <diddledan> store.virginmedia.com works tho
[21:28] <diddledan> help.virginmedia.com works
[21:41] <diddledan> their status page doesn't idicate any problems (at least for my postcode)
[21:41] <diddledan> and national broadband also says green across-the-board
[22:21] <webpigeon> diddledan: works for me
[22:21] <diddledan> webpigeon: yeah it's back up now
[22:21] <webpigeon> :)
[22:37] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[22:37] <bigcalm> directhex: StephensonsRocket153plus2.iso torrent is stuck at 45.5%. Are you not seeding?
[22:38] <webpigeon> Evening bigcalm
[22:51] <directhex> bigcalm: oh damn, not since i rebooted to fix a thermal issue. hang on
[22:51] <directhex> bigcalm: transmission running again
[22:53] <mapps> hi all
[22:53] <bigcalm> directhex: aha
[22:53]  * bigcalm pokes his own transmission
[22:55] <directhex> bigcalm: i've added more trackers to the magnet link too, which might help. http://publicbt.com/ has three URIs
[22:56] <bigcalm> I don't know what magnet is
[22:56] <bigcalm> Right now I'm using the direct download and will see that
[22:56] <bigcalm> s/see/seed
[22:57] <directhex> edited the torrent file too
[22:58] <mapps> my arms are burnt
[22:58] <mapps> forgot sun cream when we played tennis
[22:58] <mapps> probably not an issue in uk:D
[23:02] <diddledan> directhex: can I help?
[23:02] <bigcalm> directhex: and now I'm seeding
[23:02] <directhex> diddledan: if you like. excitement is lower than it was in 2014, and i'm doing direct http offerings too. i hope the cdn works & i'm not paying for bandwidth on that one
[23:03] <mapps> sun cream gonna be kept in my bag at all times now
[23:04] <shauno> when you say excitement is lower .. is that just your port?  or steamos in general?
[23:06] <diddledan> hmm, which headless bittorrent do folk recommend I use?
[23:09] <webpigeon>  Transmission is pretty cool because you can run it as a command line app, a web app or a gui app
[23:09] <diddledan> that's what I've used in the past, yeah
[23:11] <directhex> shauno: both really
[23:11] <bigcalm> diddledan: transmission in daemon mode works for me. The web ui is how I interact with it
[23:11] <directhex> i think my cloudflare settings are wrong. 20gb bandwidth used, a few kb cached
[23:12] <diddledan> >.<
[23:12] <bigcalm> Sleep time
[23:16] <diddledan> directhex: what's the magnet?
[23:16]  * diddledan tries adding
[23:19]  * m0nkey_ doesn't like the dentist
[23:19] <m0nkey_> every time, there's something
[23:20] <diddledan> aah, ok, I think I found it at a .horse domain
[23:23] <shauno> not very long ago, that wouldn't have been a sentence.
[23:34]  * m0nkey_ sighs
[23:34] <m0nkey_> is it me, or are people trolling me on reddit lately
[23:34] <popey> Are they?
[23:34] <popey> http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/apr/01/jeremy-clarkson-joins-guardian-drive-for-fossil-fuel-divestment?CMP=share_btn_tw
[23:34] <popey> that's totally true
[23:34] <popey> and not an april fool, at all...
[23:35] <diddledan> ok, I'm downloading now
[23:46] <diddledan> I wonder how many loglines I'm indexing per second right now
[23:46] <diddledan> set it going about 10 minutes ago and up to about 15.5million lines indexed
[23:48] <diddledan> now 16mill
[23:48] <diddledan> looks like it's about 10k per second
[23:50] <diddledan> so far the index is 7GB
[23:55] <diddledan> stephensonsrocket is at 75% - soon be seeding the knackers off that beast
[23:55] <diddledan> 80%
[23:55] <diddledan> 85
[23:56] <diddledan> 90
[23:57] <diddledan> and.. done


[12:57] <HiddenWolf> desrt: social skills for dummies?
[12:57] <tseng> ouch
[12:57] <HiddenWolf> desrt: it might be a shock, meeting the people behind the nicks. :)
[12:57] <desrt> HiddenWolf; nah.  i've done these conferences and stuff before
[12:57] <tseng> HiddenWolf: hell, he is rooming with me
[12:57] <desrt> HiddenWolf; but by the sounds of it, you could use the book :)
[12:58] <tseng> HiddenWolf: there's the shock
[12:58] <tseng> (you are, arent you? pisano said it was good)
[12:58] <HiddenWolf> desrt: no offense ment, obviously
[12:58] <desrt> HiddenWolf; social skills for dummies said you shouldn't randomly insult people you don't know :p
[01:00] <HiddenWolf> desrt: it probably does, but where is  the fun in that?
[01:03] <HiddenWolf> Anyway, I should be off to bed.
[01:03] <HiddenWolf> Good night everyone.
[03:20] <ProN00b> quite some people say 6.06 was a bad release, comments plx
[03:21] <sladen> ProN00b: {{needs citation}}
[03:21] <tseng> quite a few people say that ad hominem if a falacious argument

[03:22] <sladen> ProN00b: quite a few people say 6.06 was a good release, comments please
[03:22] <tseng> I will admit that I see alot of people who didnt test the beta make a big fuss about their pet bugs
[03:22] <sladen> ProN00b: I think if you can ask a more useful question, you'll likely get more useful answers
[03:23] <ProN00b> tseng, well, the number of bugs people just run across are more than in the last release, i have heard and encountered this
[03:23] <ProN00b> sladen, i just wanna get an overview of what you think about that issue
[03:23] <tseng> we can't respond to such a vague generalization
[03:24] <tseng> vaguely generalized, we disagree
[03:24] <ProN00b> its not vague
[03:24] <tseng> its very vague, what bugs?
[03:24] <ProN00b> people are feeling like there are more bugs in this release than the last
[03:25] <sladen> people (who?) ... bugs (which?)
[03:26] <ProN00b> do you expect me to analyze the forums and compare it with the forums after the last release and correct those values with ubuntu usernumbers ?
[03:26] <tseng> jeez
[03:26] <tseng> yes, since you posed the question
[03:27] <tseng> not that i expect the forums to provide valuable first source data anyway
[03:27] <tseng> its an informal discussion
[03:28] <sladen> ProN00b: one of us is going to have to analyse the forums and find the usernames and bug numbers;  since you're the one asking the question and the one already with the information it would be useful if you could do that;  since there is a lot of data, it would take me a long time and I'm still unclear what sort of answer to what sort of question you'd be happy with
[03:29] <tseng> I have ... 5 pc's running dapper
[03:29] <tseng> no nagging bugs
[03:29] <tseng> about 4 more servers
[03:29] <tseng> no, 6
[03:30] <ProN00b> its just that i heard people saying things like "<iXXXXXXy> ubuntu dapper drake is half almost baked.    they tried to make it 'idiot proof'  but only proved them selves better idiots." (actual quote from today) and this is maybe second or third time i have heard people expressing it so extreme... and i also feel the same way
[03:31] <tseng> that doesnt even sound like a bug
[03:31] <tseng> it sounds like you aren't a fan of certain intentional features
[03:31] <tseng> I would have agreed with you if that was your premise at the begining
[03:32] <tseng> hacking up gnome in the way we have is Not Cool in my book
[03:32] <ProN00b> no, not really
[03:33] <tseng> it takes me under 5 minutes to work around all that
[03:33] <ProN00b> second quote from the same person (i was talking to him about something like a maybe-bug, maybe behavior change (report filled by random person on forum)) "<iXXXXXXy> pXXXXXu the above is one of at least 30 'that i know of' issues that should not be in any 'stable' release.   that is a bug in the base system.   you don't release things like that and proclaim it to be  'linux for human being'  implying that other linux's are not for humans.
[03:33] <ProN00b>    and you don't release a system and call it stable that every one that installes it finds bugs...  like ubuntu dapper."
[03:34] <tseng> I am very glad he knows them
[03:34] <ProN00b> tseng, what do you mean, what problems do you have with gnome ?
[03:34] <tseng> not helping
[03:34] <tseng> the logout dialog is attrocious
[03:34] <tseng> the default themes likewise
[03:34] <tseng> i turn them off and go on with my life
[03:35] <tseng> if I have a bug I report it to launchpad or just fix it, instead of sansationalizing it on the forums
[03:36] <ProN00b> who did that on the forums ?
[03:36] <tseng> your last quote
[03:36] <tseng> I am tiring of this
[03:36] <ProN00b> oh, thats from irc
[03:36] <tseng> if you are serious about this, can you please compile a list of real data
[03:37] <ProN00b> hmm, do you have any idea where i can find gnome themes ? (icons and windows and stuff)
[03:37] <tseng> not something $joerandomuser threw out there
[03:37] <tseng> w/o no citation
[03:37] <tseng> and post it to ubuntu-sounder mailing list
[03:37] <ProN00b> whats that ubuntu-sounder thing for ?
[03:37] <tseng> its general ubuntu discussion
[03:37] <tseng> anything goes
[03:38] <tseng> but its very community-meta oriented
[03:39] <tseng> going to watch a movie, have a nice night
[03:40] <ProN00b> nn
[12:02] <Tonio_> hi all
[12:02] <Tonio_> hey
[12:02] <_ion> Bono estente.
[12:03] <hunger> hi there
[01:57] <dm> sladen: Hello, I'm new to ubuntu and just faced a bug that you filed to launchpad -- nbd-server and accept(). Who is now responsible for uploading the fixed package to dapper-updates?
[02:36] <\sh> dieman: welcome to the city of love
[02:38] <Hobbsee> uh oh, glad i'm not there then :P
[02:39] <\sh> Hobbsee: lol...
[02:39] <Hobbsee> unless there are interesting people ther
[02:39] <Hobbsee> e
[02:40] <\sh> Hobbsee: there are.. so hurry :)
[02:40] <Hobbsee> hah
[04:20] <sladen> dm: I've filed a sync request
[04:33] <knopper> Hi everyone. Question (I know I should try this on my own, but unfortunately, not enough bandwidth for even downloading a CD): Does the Ubunu Live CD/DVD come with an installer, and what does it do exactly?
[04:34] <HiddenWolf> knopper: it comes with an installer, which installs the system when you want it to.
[04:34] <HiddenWolf> knopper: #ubuntu is more appropriate for this question.
[04:34] <knopper> HiddenWolf: Srry, you may have mistaken this for a beginenr question. ;-) I actually meant "what does it do", i.e., are you using apt-get/dpkg for a package-wise installation, or are you doing an rsync of the live system to harddisk?
[04:35] <mjg59> knopper: The live system is somewhat copied in place
[04:35] <mjg59> It doesn't use packages, so it's not suitable for upgrades
[04:36] <knopper> mjg59: That's what I thought, so it actually does what the older version of knoppix-installer did, format a harddisk partition and copy / from the live system to the harddisk, then creating a fstab and lilo.conf (or grub menu), right?
[04:36] <knopper> mjg59: So, do you know if anybody is working on a package-wise installer for the Ubuntu Live DVD? This would eliminate the need for separate Live vs. Installer DVDs.
[04:37] <knopper> mjg59: I have a proof-of-concept that shows it's working fine. You can update Debian from a Knoppix 5.0.1 DVD, package-wise including resolving of package dependencies.
[04:37] <\sh> hmm..has someone an IBM T43 laptop at hand?
[04:38] <knopper> \sh: Sorry, just a few old IBM Thinkpads here.
[04:39] <\sh> I wonder if it's just me and my installation or it's a bug that sometimes it's not halting correctly...
[04:40] <knopper> Btw, which would be the right channel to talk to a few people who are at the meeting in paris next week?
[04:40] <mjg59> knopper: No idea, I'm afraid
[04:41] <mjg59> knopper: The right person to talk to about this is Colin Watson (kamion)
[04:43] <knopper> mjg59: He's idle for 15 hours, so I guess I'll have to try later. Btw, he is the one working on the ubuntu installer, right?
[04:45] <mjg59> Yup
[04:45] <mjg59> He's probably on his way to Paris at the moment
[04:46] <knopper> mjg59: Oh, already. Unfortunately, I can travel on Tuesday first, and will miss the first two days. But good to know he's there, too.
[04:46] <Mithrandir> knopper: the live DVD has both live and installer on it.
[04:48] <knopper> Mithrandir: Right, but can the live CD be installed _package-wise_, was my question.
[04:48] <knopper> Mithrandir: Or do you mean, the DVD can be booted in installer- and live-mode, with a different image?
[04:48] <Mithrandir> knopper: the latter is correct.
[04:48] <Mithrandir> knopper: the live installer always just copies the read-only file system.
[04:49] <Mithrandir> (and then munges it a little bit)
[04:49] <knopper> Mithrandir: My idea was to have a single-image live DVD (consiting of unpacked .deb packages) which can still be installed package-wise.
[04:49] <Mithrandir> knopper: uh, how would you do that?  dpkg-repack hacks?
[04:50] <knopper> Mithrandir: I see, that's what I guessed. So, if the installer could just handle _unpacked_ .debs from the livs system, we could have a simgle-image live+install system that can be used for both.
[04:50] <knopper> Mithrandir: Kind of. It already works on KNoppix 5.0.1.
[04:50] <knopper> Mithrandir: I.e. you can update packages on an installed system, from the live DVD, including dependencies.
[04:50] <Mithrandir> it sounds brittle and slow at first thought.
[04:51] <Mithrandir> but being able to upgrade off a live cd would be sweet
[04:51] <knopper> Mithrandir: There is just an intermediate dpkg-repack for each chosen/dependent package that I deen to get rid of, and I thought, this may be a nice proposal for a BOF session at the meeting next week.
[04:52] <Mithrandir> I think we might be short on time, but please do jump onto IRC and remind us.
[04:52] <knopper> Mithrandir: Not only that, but in both cases, the installer and the live image, you share about 99% of the same data (except for configuration files), so it is a big waste of space to duplicate everything.
[04:52] <Mithrandir> they're differently compressed, though
[04:53] <knopper> Mithrandir: I'll try to get ahold of Colin later, since he is working on ubiquity and could maybe add that feature for generic live DVD support.
[04:53] <Mithrandir> I wonder if it'd be feasible to do something like compute a delta between what you'd get from dpkg-repack and the original .deb and ship that somewhere..
[04:53] <Mithrandir> which would give you trusted installs too.
[04:53] <Mithrandir> he's not the only one working on the installer. :-P
[04:54] <knopper> Mithrandir: .debs are basically zipped, tarred, and ar'ed files, and the live CD consists f a blockwise (or filewise) compressed filesystem, so, about 1:3 compressin for both cases.
[04:54] <Mithrandir> (I've hacked a bit on ubiquity and am responsible for the live cd, fyi)
[04:54] <knopper> Mithrandir: Oh, perfect. :-)
[04:54] <knopper> Mithrandir: So, is there already a BOF planned for stuff like this, where I could just drop in?
[04:54] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: so we blame you for breaking it!
[04:54] <Mithrandir> yes, but differently compressed.  squashfs compresses the image a directory at a time, .debs are a package at a time.
[04:55] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: what's broken?
[04:55] <knopper> I was just in the progress of adding a proposal, which is a little late now since the deadline was 12th of june, but anyways.
[04:55] <Mithrandir> knopper: I'm not sure, there's a bunch of live cd discussions where we could possibly fit it in.
[04:55] <Mithrandir> knopper: you're planning on attending?
[04:55] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: well, i discovered that the italian stuff wasnt auto-installed when it was picked as a language, i think
[04:55] <Hobbsee> let me find which bug it was
[04:55] <knopper> Mithrandir: I already checked, but nothing yet that would really fit that idea of merging the installer and live parts.
[04:55] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/39483
[04:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39483 in debian-installer "Kubuntu 6.06 final dvd doesn't install italian language for kde and other packages" [Medium,Confirmed]
[04:56] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: I mainly did the keyboard thingy, not langpacks.
[04:56] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: ah okay
[04:57] <Hobbsee> he was just whinging that it hadnt been fixed even though it was there for 2 months, etc...when it was still set to need info
[04:57] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: I noticed you changed the state of that bug earlier today, yes.  I think Colin's going to be busy with ubiquity bugs this cycle.
[04:57] <Mithrandir> there's this "too many bugs, too few developers" problem we're having..
[04:57] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: hah, yeah, i know
[04:58] <Hobbsee> oh i dont blame you guys at all - i know you do a great job.  some users though...
[04:58] <knopper> Mithrandir: Sorry, missed yur earlier question. I'm arriving Tuesday afternoon, so, probably really there from Wednesday till Saturday.
[04:58] <Mithrandir> knopper: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/larger-livefs touches on it, so I might be able to squeeze it in there, for instance.
[04:58] <Mithrandir> knopper: oh, cool
[05:08] <knopper> Mithrandir: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/obsolete-installer-part (maybe someone wants to join in).
[05:09] <Mithrandir> knopper: it's not added to the Paris meeting, so it won't be considered.
[05:10] <rubso> hi :0
[05:10] <rubso> :)
[05:10] <rubso> what is the system installer you use for Ubuntu/Kubuntu ? :)
[05:11] <Mithrandir> rubso: debian-installer (the graphical installer uses it in the backend)
[05:11] <\sh> live-cd: ubiquity / plain installation system (aka alternate): d-i
[05:11] <knopper> Mithrandir: I know, but it's a long-term project anyways, and I expect no solution quickly. ;-)
[05:12] <knopper> Mithrandir: There are enough other sessions to keep me busy for 3 days. :-)
[05:12] <Mithrandir> :-)
[05:13] <rubso> then Ubuntu is using an Improved debian-installer version, right?
[05:14] <knopper> Mithrandir: On the other hand... Ok, I found the "Add to meeting" button. ;-)
[05:20] <knopper> rubso: It would be the first real Debian-installer that actually works. ;-)
[05:21] <Mithrandir> knopper: uh.  d-i works quite well and has for a long time.
[05:21] <rubso> knopper: can you give me debian-installer source code to build it for a LiveCD? :)
[05:22] <\sh> knopper: plan to attend froscon on saturday/sunday, too? :)
[05:24] <\sh> rubso: it's konversation..
[05:24] <rubso> i know !
[05:35] <\sh> fabbione: you are not flying?
[05:35] <fabbione> \sh: i am not going
[05:36] <fabbione> but i miss the guys
[05:36] <\sh> fabbione: why not?
[05:36] <fabbione> a lot
[05:36] <fabbione> \sh: because my wife is too close to deliver our baby
[05:36] <fabbione> and i am not comnfortable to leave her alone
[05:36] <\sh> fabbione: oh wow...congratulation..
[05:37] <\sh> Og Maciel will have another baby in couple of months time, too...
[05:37] <fabbione> Maciel?
[05:38] <\sh> fabbione: http://www.ogmaciel.com/?p=275
[05:38] <\sh> fabbione: she is a he ;) and father ;) so his wife will give birth...;)
[05:38] <fabbione> \sh: in this world.. you may never know!
[05:39] <\sh> fabbione: that's right :)
[05:40] <\sh> oh btw...is there already a plan, where the next summit will be? I need to know it at least a couple of months before, to plan my holiday and to save money for this happening
[05:41] <Hobbsee> (and when?)
[05:42] <tseng> Hobbsee: a few weeks after the egdy+1 opens
[05:42] <tseng> Hobbsee: as usual
[05:42] <\sh> Hobbsee: most likely oktober/november like last year
[05:42] <tseng> the is a launchpad and distro team sprint in between
[05:42] <Hobbsee> bleh, okay
[05:42] <tseng> which no one else normally attends
[05:43] <Hobbsee> too bad :P
[05:43] <\sh> Hobbsee: you never know :)
[05:43] <Hobbsee> \sh: that's AU uni term time...
[05:44] <Hobbsee> so i do know that it wont be happening, at least for another couple of years :P
[05:44] <tseng> what year are you in now?
[05:44] <Hobbsee> 1st
[05:44] <knopper> Mithrandir: (sorry for the delay, was writing another proposal), it's just me, I'm too much end-user to be able to use the regular debian-installer or synaptic. I think it's not suited for beginners. I'd rather use debootstrap and apt-get manually instead of any existing "graphical" installer for Debian yet. The only way I manage to install Debian with a graphical interface is booting KNoppix and running the knoppix-installer yet.
[05:44] <\sh> Hobbsee: honestly, if I hadn't this personal break down in the last months, I would give everything to go to paris this month...
[05:45] <knopper> Mithrandir: But you can still convince me it's possible. ;-)
[05:45] <Hobbsee> \sh: um, i never said anything about that...
[05:45] <mgalvin> jdub, jdub_: around?
[05:45] <knopper> rubso: You mean, of the knoppix-installer? It's a shell script on Knoppix, and I hate it, it's really awful and I would like to replace it by something better.
[05:45] <\sh> Hobbsee: so...you should give it a try and leave uni for at least one week for this event ;)
[05:46] <Mez> i think next event i'm gonna go to is (other than LRL) aKademy
[05:46] <fabbione> \sh: time is usually 2/3 weeks after the release.. release schedule will be done in Paris.. where... that's really up to how the sab wakes up in the morning
[05:47] <\sh> fabbione: yeah :) I hope it's not too far away...let's say sweden, denmark or norway would be cold enough ;)
[05:47] <Hobbsee> \sh: let me tell you, it *wouldnt* be worth coming home to, i assure you, if i were to miss a week of uni...
[05:47] <tseng> \sh: hah ubz2
[05:47] <fabbione> \sh: unlikely to be north EU.. too expensive
[05:47] <\sh> Hobbsee: with approval of your profs and parents, of course
[05:47] <fabbione> \sh: but i was hoping for dk at least once
[05:48] <Hobbsee> \sh: yeah, the latter would be the issue :P  and wouldnt happen.  "you're a foolish girl" would be minor in comparison to what mum'd say....oh well.
[05:48] <Mithrandir> knopper: synaptic has nothing to do with d-i.
[05:49] <knopper> \sh: Sorry, I won't make it for froscon. I have two exams to prepare till 26th. :-(
[05:49] <\sh> Hobbsee: let riddell convince sabdfl to talk to your parents in person ;)
[05:49] <Hobbsee> \sh: which would then scare the hell out of them.  i havent dared tell them that riddell has my number :P
[05:49] <Mez> Hobbsee - lol :D
[05:49] <Hobbsee> i know even that would send them thru the roof :P
[05:50] <knopper> Mithrandir: d-i is the thing that used to ask me if I want to install pcmcia support, and then fails the installation because of wrong dependencies (at least that was the case tw years ago, when I tried last, pardon my ignorance. ;-)
[05:50] <\sh> knopper: I just asked, I missed your name on the agenda :)
[05:51] <knopper> \sh: My name is on the list that Claire sent by mail, it's not in the web yet. Probably because I said I wuld add me and Adriane in the wiky by myself, and then forgot about it...
[05:51] <\sh> knopper: no...FrOSCon Agenda :)
[05:51] <knopper> \sh: r did you mean froscon?
[05:51] <Mithrandir> knopper: I doubt you used d-i two years ago.
[05:52] <knopper> \sh: Yes, sorry, I got an email from the Froscon organizers and had no time to reply. For about a month now. :-(
[05:53] <knopper> Mithrandir: I tried to install Debian with the supplied installer, honestly!
[05:53] <Mithrandir> knopper: did you try to install Sarge or Woody?
[05:54] <knopper> Mithrandir: Woody, I think.
[05:54] <sladen> fabione and fabitwo </groan>
[05:54] <Mithrandir> knopper: then you used boot-floppies, not d-i.
[05:54] <sladen> fabbione and fabbitwo </groan>  even
[05:54] <fabbione> sladen:  ?
[05:55] <fabbione> sladen: you mean fabbitwo = fork(fabbione); ;)
[05:55] <sladen> fabbione: babies!  and mini-fabbiones!
[05:55] <fabbione> oh yeah
[05:55] <sladen> fabbione: yup :)
[05:55] <fabbione> we need a new X maintainer :P
[05:55] <\sh> lol
[05:56] <knopper> Mithrandir: I used a "Rescue-Floppy" (!) to load the kernel, and then an installer popped up and asked me some questions that I answered honestly. I had to copy a new kernel in the midst of everything, though, because the included one didn't work.
[05:56] <sladen> :)
[05:56] <fabbione> i already have a thin client as present for him/her
[05:56] <\sh> fabbione: edubuntu rocks ;)
[05:56] <sladen> fabbione: get one of those micro Japanese keyboards and the fingers should fit from day one
[05:56] <Mithrandir> knopper: that's totally irrelevant, the b-f codebase has been scrapped and d-i is designed in a wholly different way.
[05:56] <fabbione> sladen: nah.. better they start to stretch the fingers :)
[05:57] <_ion> sladen: And additionally {,s}he would learn Japanese! :-)
[05:58] <\sh> fabbione: use old big heavy ibm keyboards ;)
[05:58] <knopper> Mithrandir: But the d-i is still looking like ncurses/dialog, right? Alexander Schmehl is frequently showing Debian installatins with this at Linux expos. Sometimes it works for him.
[05:59] <Mithrandir> knopper: that depends on what frontend you use.
[05:59] <Mithrandir> knopper: but yeah, slang is the default frontend.
[05:59] <\sh> knopper: ubuntus d-i installation always worked without problems...(stable releases)
[06:00] <Mithrandir> anyway, I'll see if I can find some coke here to stop my blood sugar falling completely through the floor.
[06:01] <knopper> \sh: Question: Would you let a person who has no computer skills whatsoever, use this installer?
[06:01] <\sh> knopper: yes..I did already many times :)
[06:01] <\sh> knopper: and we did it during linuxtag 2006 at our kubuntu booth :)
[06:02] <\sh> knopper: less then 20 minutes including downloading updates and security packages
[06:02] <\sh> knopper: breezy that was
[06:03] <knopper> \sh: So, chances are that we have met there in May. But I have seen people failing at the tast to just hit return on any question. The partitioner is probably the hardest part. What about that?
[06:04] <\sh> knopper: well, that's the worst part...but we have a "resize windows partittion and partition automagically your hd" option, which is enough for people with no computer skills
[06:04] <knopper> \sh: I must admit that I mostly use Knoppix for Debian-installation, or plain debootstrap, as said before, so, I didn't take notice of any important d-i changes yet. I would like d-i to be able to install from an already installed partition rather than from a repository, then it would be worth considering an inclusion in KNoppix.
[06:05] <knopper> \sh: Automatically resizing Windows partitions, very adventurous... :-)
[06:05] <\sh> knopper: with "already installed partition" you mean the live dvd?
[06:06] <\sh> knopper: it works :) I promise..I did it many times :)
[06:06] <Mez> Kamion, ping
[06:07] <\sh> Mez: he is on his way to paris I think :)
[06:07] <knopper> \sh: For example, but more generic. Let's say you have installed a quite complete (12GB) Debian system on /dev/hda1, and now you want to use this installation, to install a small subset of it (a thin-client configuration, for example) on hda2. But, you do not have any .deb packages, just the hda1 installation. YOu have te data and the package lists in /var/lib/dpkg, so, why should the installer not be able to do that, instead of
[06:07] <knopper> \sh: building a repository first?
[06:07] <\sh> knopper: but I can show you during essener linuxtage or linuxexpo in cologne...or you come to the LinuxHotel from the 21st to 23rd July to our FAI developer meeting ;)
[06:08] <carlospc> hi, anybody at paris?
[06:08] <knopper> \sh: Alexander Schmehl always tried to convince me that the Debian installer works, but everytime he tried to show me, it failed. Must be me. ;-)
[06:09] <\sh> knopper: hmm...you could do that, no doubt, but thinking of installing an unclean chroot (e.g. thin client). It's something which I wouldn't prefer as installation candidate
[06:09] <carlospc> i've just arrived to Paris to go to the Ubuntu Developer Summit, i don't know if there is already somebody at the hotel, help!
[06:10] <Mez> carlospc, there are people there :D - just head to the hotel :D
[06:10] <\sh> carlospc: dieman is in paris (actually I don't know if he is in the same hotel), ogra should be there as well (or I hope so)
[06:10] <Mez> and Riddell is there
[06:11] <\sh> can someone switch of the sun, thx
[06:12] <Mez> \sh - I'll do it later on tonight ;)
[06:13] <carlospc> I'm in Kyriad Paris Nord II
[06:15] <\sh> carlospc: the others are at http://www.radissonsas.com/cs/Satellite?cid=1053502953893&pagename=RadissonSAS%2FPage%2FrsasHotelDescription&language=en&hotelCode=parzq (canonical staff and sponsored people)
[06:16] <carlospc> thanks \sh
[06:16] <\sh> carlospc: but you can try to ping Tonio_ and ask him where to go :)
[06:16] <\sh> or Lure
[06:17] <\sh> not lure
[06:17] <carlospc> oups
[06:18] <\sh> but Tonio_try him :)
[06:18] <Lure> carlospc: Tonio_ is from Paris...
[06:18] <carlospc> i'm waiting his response
[06:18] <carlospc> ok
[06:19] <carlospc> i'm looking how to go to radisson sas hotel
[06:19] <\sh> hmm...join #ubuntu-fr
[06:19] <carlospc> many people are there right now
[06:19] <\sh> carlospc: it's near the charles de gaulle airport
[06:19] <\sh> carlospc: outside of paris
[06:19] <carlospc> I'm in Parq d'Exposicion
[06:20] <phanatic> carlospc: for public transport info, try www.ratp.fr
[06:20] <Lure> carlospc: I susepect they have hotel shuttle bus
[06:20] <carlospc> very near
[06:20] <phanatic> carlospc: you can find the route between your hotel and radisson sas
[06:20] <Lure> carlospc: "The hotel offers a free shuttle service to and from the airport"
[06:20] <carlospc> do you know if i have to stop in Charles de Gaulle 1 or Charles de Gaulle 2?
[06:20] <carlospc> let's see
[06:21] <phanatic> i think 2
[06:21] <\sh> at least you are in paris, france, europe ;) You can visit the graveyard where Jim Morrison is burried, or visit the eiffel tower or the moulin rouge ;)
[06:21] <\sh> or just drink a very good cafe au lait
[06:22] <\sh> I'm so sad that I can't go there...grmpf
[06:22] <phanatic> me too :(
[06:23] <\sh> we could ubuntufy the centre pompidou (http://www.centrepompidou.fr/)
[06:27] <\sh> carlospc: goldenear can help you too :)
[06:27] <goldenear> what's the problem ?
[06:28] <carlospc> I'm in avenue des Nations and i don't know how to get into Radisson SAS Hotel
[06:28] <jpatrick> maps.google.com
[06:28] <goldenear> carlospc: are you in paris ?
[06:28] <carlospc> yes, at Parq d'Exposicions
[06:29] <goldenear> Radisson is not in Paris but in a city around
[06:30] <goldenear> carlospc: I'm try to see how you are
[06:31] <carlospc> Well
[06:31] <goldenear> carlospc: are you near te Trocadero ?
[06:31] <carlospc> wait, i'm going to ask
[06:32] <goldenear> ok
[06:33] <goldenear> carlospc: you can try mappy.com
[06:33] <goldenear> http://www1.mappy.com/?lang=en
[06:33] <\sh> goldenear: you can meet him, too :) and show him some nice places ;) from tomorrow on there is no time for that ;)
[06:34] <goldenear> sure
[06:34] <goldenear> If he tells me exactly where he is I can meet him
[06:35] <\sh> [18:13]  <carlospc> I'm in Kyriad Paris Nord II
[06:37] <goldenear> Ok I see where he's
[06:37] <goldenear> that's not in Paris but in Roissy
[06:38] <goldenear> It's pretty close to the hotel
[06:39] <\sh> this one? http://www.undercovertourist.com/france/paris/hotels/k/kyriad-
[06:40] <carlospc> \sh, page not found...
[06:40] <\sh> http://www.undercovertourist.com/france/paris/hotels/k/kyriad-paris-la-villette.html
[06:40] <carlospc> i've asked here, at kyrad hotel and the have tell me how to get Radisson :D
[06:40] <jpatrick> remove the "-"
[06:41] <\sh> http://www.undercovertourist.com/france/paris/hotels/k/ here are all kyriad hotels in paris I think
[06:41] <goldenear> carlospc: you are very close to the Radisson :)
[06:42] <carlospc> yes, i just have to take the train to the airport
[06:42] <carlospc> there, there is a free bus to go to the Radisson hotel
[06:42] <goldenear> carlospc: how did you go there ?
[06:42] <goldenear> by airplane ?
[06:42] <carlospc> yes
[06:43] <carlospc> i took a plain from Madrid this morning
[06:44] <goldenear> carlospc: If you want to come here in Paris after puting your stuffs at Raddison, I can meet you :)
[06:44] <carlospc> thanks a lot for your help, i'm going to the hotel right now
[06:45] <goldenear> ok
[06:45] <mjg59> What's the dapper-updates procedure?
[06:45] <goldenear> I'm staying here
[06:45] <carlospc> today is going to be difficult, tomorrow after the spec day, i'm sure i will go to paris
[06:45] <carlospc> see you!
[06:45] <\sh> carlospc / goldenear: exchange mobile numbers ,)
[06:45] <goldenear> too late :)
[06:46] <\sh> mjg59: mdz/kamion approval? and bug report, debdiff...the usual
[06:49] <goldenear> \sh: if somebody else is in paris and need help or simply want to meet me in a Caf no pb :)
[06:50] <goldenear> just ask
[06:50] <\sh> goldenear: we will manage all thatremotely ;)
[06:52] <goldenear> I know a very nice caf with wifi, if we meet there and somebody has a laptop with a webcam we could broascast the meeting :)
[06:52] <goldenear> but the technology is not yet advanced enough to share drink remotly :/
[06:52] <goldenear> I hope this feature will be in edgy+1
[06:53] <goldenear> lol
[06:53] <\sh> heh
[06:54] <\sh> brb
[07:07] <mjg59> mdz: Hi - the kernel update has (by fixing one bug) resulted in machines with nsc irda chipsets failing to suspend
[07:08] <mjg59> That can be worked around in acpi-support
[07:10] <desrt> mjg59; some weird acpi bugs have snuck into -25 that are causing all hell to break loose?
[07:10] <mjg59> No
[07:11] <mjg59> Not that I know of, anyway
[07:11] <desrt> crimsun was mentioning that there is some grand-screwage
[07:11] <desrt> in any case, i have a few more resume bugs that have popped up since the upgrade
[07:11] <mjg59> As I said, machines with nsc irda chipsets won't currently suspend
[07:12] <desrt> one usb-related and one hda-intel related
[07:12] <desrt> they're not fatal.  they just make resume take a long time
[07:19] <Whoopie> mjg59: could you point to a bug report? I'm interested in this because I also have a nsc irda chipset.
[08:17] <siretart> how to I learn if I have an nsc irda chipset?
[08:28] <Whoopie> siretart: "grep NSC /sys/bus/pnp/devices/*/id" or "grep IBM0071 /sys/bus/pnp/devices/*/id"
[08:30] <siretart> first doesn't match, 2nd does match
[08:30] <siretart> thanks Whoopie
[08:30] <Whoopie> siretart: then you have  thinkpad?
[08:31] <siretart> Whoopie: I have an R40
[08:33] <Whoopie> siretart: could you sponsor upload for #38272?
[08:35] <siretart> Whoopie: for edgy, sure. for dapper-updates: get permission from ubuntu-release first
[08:38] <Whoopie> siretart: how do I do this? Who have I to contact?
[08:39] <siretart> Whoopie: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-release, read: email matt and colin
[08:42] <Whoopie> siretart: ok, thanks. Can I write that you would sponsor upload if they permit it?
[08:42] <siretart> Whoopie: I don't think that would change their decision
[08:43] <Whoopie> ok
[10:32] <jsgotangco> new player
[10:38] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: hehe
[10:52] <\sh> ok..it's working with windows...now it's time to switch back to linux...I can't even use a real irc client on this OS...
[10:52] <\sh> brb
[11:15] <TheMuso> Anybody in here from the summit proper can tell me how to use the wifi down stairs that people seem to be using?
[11:17] <Riddell-awa> TheMuso: we're using wired downstairs in the conference room
[11:17] <TheMuso> ah ok
[11:18] <TheMuso> Anyways, won't be there tonight. Better get to bed, after a 28 hour journey. :)
[11:18] <Riddell-awa> sleep well
[11:18] <Riddell-awa> 09:00 start
[11:19] <TheMuso> I know. :)
[11:19] <TheMuso> What is the story with breakfast btw? Like what time etc?
[11:19] <\sh> before 9 :)
[11:20] <\sh> and smoking bof around 8:45 ;)
[11:20] <TheMuso> heh
[11:21] <TheMuso> and hope someone has got some ethernet I can borrow, as I didn't bring any. :)
[11:21] <TheMuso> Anyway guys, cya
[11:22] <\sh> btw....I know it's a strange question, but has anyone a cd of "warhorse" (1970er progressive rock group)..I'm searching one song named "I (Who have Nothing)" from the "Red Sea" album...


[00:30] <fta> jcastro, http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/1554162518/qa-tracking-for-unity <= can i have chromium in there?
[03:41] <jcastro> fta: bdmurray can set it up, you can just ping him, he's usually on #ubuntu-bugs
[10:15] <gnomefreak> xulrunner1.9.2 and 2.0 dailies for Natty are still broken, they hang when trying to install or upgrade them. I had mentioned it to chris but more important items are on the list
[15:44] <fta> bdmurray, hi, http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/1554162518/qa-tracking-for-unity <= would it be possible to have chromium in there?
[22:49] <fta> chrisccoulson, do you experience an unexpected load on your natty install? like ~0% cpu but load close to 1 while doing nothing?
[22:51] <chrisccoulson> fta - i've not noticed yet - mine is currently 0.7, which is higher than normal, but i did a firefox build a couple of hours ago
[22:52] <fta> chrisccoulson, load is 1/5/15 min
[22:52] <chrisccoulson> fta - oh, so in that case, 0.7 seems a bit higher than it should be
[22:52] <fta> indeed
[22:53] <chrisccoulson> my maverick desktop (similar spec) is currently 0.2
[22:53] <fta> i tried to kill everything unneeded (avahi, networkmanager, most gnome applet) and even with no app running, i'm still at 0.5
[22:54] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, did you try the maverick kernel?
[22:54] <fta> nope
[22:56] <fta> let's see which kernels i still have...
[22:56] <fta> vmlinuz-2.6.35-22-generic  vmlinuz-2.6.36-1-generic  vmlinuz-2.6.37-2-generic  vmlinuz-2.6.37-3-generic
[22:59] <fta> damn, all are from natty


[11:51] <directhex|work> are there any alternatives to "d-i preseed/late_command" which are run on first-boot? or a way to get postgres to run during late_command (it complains that it can't create any tcp/ip sockets currently)