[00:00] <seb128> you can raise the topic upstream yes
[00:00] <kklimonda> or at least menu editor should ignore .desktop files which ends with '-mime'..
[00:00] <seb128> I've other issues higher on my todolist than cleaning masked desktop because some users try to edit menus and get confused
[00:00] <hggdh> heh
[00:00] <BUGabundo> hehe
[00:00] <kklimonda> sure
[00:02] <hggdh> it is now invalid
[00:02] <seb128> you could probably define an extra Type= value for mimetypes in the spec
[00:02] <seb128> and then teach menu editor to ignore those
[00:02] <seb128> but that's a discussion for the xdg-list
[00:02] <BUGabundo> lets open a blueprint or taskbug for KK
[00:02] <seb128> no
[00:02] <BUGabundo> and let upstream know about it
[00:02] <BUGabundo> seb128: no?
[00:03] <seb128> let whoever is interested by that discuss it on xdg-list
[00:03] <seb128> we have enough bugs that are not bugs and that nobody will work on already
[00:03] <hggdh> seb128, you have the link?
[00:03] <seb128> to what?
[00:03] <hggdh> xdg-list
[00:03] <kklimonda> hggdh: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg
[00:03] <seb128><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:04] <hggdh> thanks to both. I will update the bug
[00:04] <BUGabundo> hggdh: keep us posted
[00:04]  * BUGabundo also subs to bug
[00:04] <seb128> thanks
[00:04] <seb128> there is quite some variants of this bugs
[00:05] <seb128> especially bugs about duplicates softwares being listed in the "open with" nautilus dialog
[00:05] <seb128> which are in fact mimetype handlers
[00:06] <hggdh> the bug has been updated with all of this. Thanks seb128, for the input
[00:06] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: way OT but http://syntaxhighlighted.com/ is 404
[00:07] <seb128> hggdh: thank you for the bug triage work
[00:07] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: I know - It is on my todo list to make a placeholder ;D
[00:07] <seb128> hggdh: I've uploaded evolution-exchange btw
[00:07] <seb128> hggdh: it's waiting for ubuntu-sru review now
[00:07] <hggdh> thanks, seb128
[00:07] <BUGabundo> seb128: now that you mention it, I demo installed 7zip, and couldn't get it to appear on the Open With list
[00:08] <BUGabundo> known bug?
[00:08] <seb128> BUGabundo: the open with list only list graphical applications
[00:08] <seb128> BUGabundo: ie things shipping a .desktop entry
[00:08] <BUGabundo> isn't 7zip gui?
[00:08] <BUGabundo> or better, doesn't it have one?
[00:08] <hggdh> hum. But couldn't it run under terminal?
[00:09] <seb128> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.4), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1)
[00:09] <seb128> I doubt it's a graphical software
[00:10] <seb128> if you are speaking about p7zip
[00:10] <BUGabundo> ahhh guess I installed the wrong one
[00:10] <seb128> file-roller is the GNOME GUI for that
[00:10] <BUGabundo> I was just doing a showcase demo, and used the 1st one I found on Add/Remove
[00:10] <BUGabundo> next time will take care
[00:11] <BUGabundo> seb128: I use fileroller, but the user (a windows one) knew 7zip, and asked to install it
[00:11] <seb128> ah ok
[00:11] <seb128> that's a command line under linux
[00:12] <BUGabundo> nice to know that's where I failed
[00:12] <BUGabundo> now feel free to get back to work ;)
[00:12] <hggdh> :-) it is always nice to learn something new
[00:12] <seb128> I'm rather going to bed now
[00:12] <seb128> 'night everybody see you tomorrow
[00:13] <hggdh> night seb128
[00:13] <BUGabundo> seb128: good night
[00:13] <BUGabundo> I'll be hitting the sack soon too... to tired today
[00:15] <hggdh> g´ night, BUGabundo, nice dreams
[00:15] <BUGabundo> hggdh: not yet! lol
[00:15] <BUGabundo> still catching up feeds and mail, after of almost 3 days absent
[00:18] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: heh - I just mark all rss feeds a read after I'm away for few days ;)
[00:19] <hggdh> +1
[00:19] <BUGabundo> I almost never do that
[00:19] <BUGabundo> but I have a special metatag caller NVLEN, portuguese for "I won't ever read those"
[00:19] <BUGabundo> after I've read most everything else, I mark those as read
[00:19] <BUGabundo> LOL
[00:20] <hggdh> NVLEN? Não Vou Ler -- what?
[00:21] <BUGabundo> Nao Vou Ler e Nao
[00:21] <BUGabundo> LOLOLOLOL
[00:21] <hggdh> LOL
[00:21] <BUGabundo> I just collect a lot of stuff on GReader
[00:21] <BUGabundo> stuff like ubuntu forums
[00:21] <BUGabundo> but I can't read 300+ new posts per day
[00:21] <BUGabundo> so I just check the last 5 min topics
[00:22] <BUGabundo> and leave the rest for the search engine
[00:22] <hggdh> yes...
[00:23] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: heh - I'm trying to keep my rss list under control.
[00:23] <kklimonda> I try* ;/
[00:23] <kklimonda> oh well.
[00:24] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: I do keep it in control
[00:24] <BUGabundo> I make metatags
[00:25] <BUGabundo> a FAB (must read daily), a FAB2 (stuff I must read, just not ASAP)
[00:25] <BUGabundo> and NF (old tag, for NoForums, but today means pretty much everything else not on FAB*, NVLEN, and Planets)
[00:47] <showard> Hi - I have a newbie question: a package has an easily fixable bug that already has been fixed in a later version. Ubuntu has the old version of the package. At this point of the development cycle do you a) patch the version ubuntu has, b) package the new version for ubuntu, or c) both? Thank you
[00:47] <kklimonda> showard: a)
[00:48] <kklimonda> showard: and only if a bug is important
[00:48] <kklimonda> (e.g. a regression from previous release or an application doesn't work at all)
[00:48]  * BUGabundo makes a private joke with kklimonda about _current cycle_ being kk
[00:48] <kklimonda> ;)
[00:49] <showard> Ah ok, I was thinking that any bugs fixed now went into unstable
[00:49] <kklimonda> showard: that is another case - untill FeatureFreeze packages are just being updated
[00:49] <BUGabundo> showard: yeah it's the general idea
[00:50] <kklimonda> showard: merged with debian unstable in most cases.
[00:50] <showard> great, thanks
[01:50] <bdmurray> bug 366877
[01:50] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 366877 in debian-installer "mexamafia" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/366877
[01:51] <bdmurray> what's that about?
[01:52] <Ampelbein> bdmurray: "puto" = "bloody" or "fucking" as in "bloody debian installer doesn't work right"
[01:53] <bdmurray> still not very helpful though
[01:54] <Ampelbein> right
[01:57] <hggdh> literal translation would be prostitute, male persuasion
[01:58] <hggdh> I propose to simply warn him of CoC, and indalidate it
[01:58] <bdmurray> works for me
[01:59] <Jeruvy> what is the process of rejecting a question?  Does the poster get a chance to repost?
[01:59] <hggdh> well. Can also mean 'child', 'boy', in Portugal
[01:59] <BUGabundo> hggdh: not in this context
[01:59] <hggdh> BUGabundo, I agree, that's why I gave the first one
[01:59] <BUGabundo> even if was PT-pt with would be a serious insult
[01:59] <hggdh> but, for the sake of completeness...
[01:59] <BUGabundo> sound spanish to me
[02:00] <hggdh> same meaning in Spanish
[02:00] <BUGabundo> I would go with slang.. son of a b....
[02:00] <hggdh> yes
[02:01] <BUGabundo> just frustrated or testing LP, and not using stagging
[02:01] <BUGabundo> for me, just CoC'ed him and invalidate it after 24h, if no reply
[02:04] <hggdh> I CoC-ed him, and also invalidated it. If he/she wants to enter a good bug, it can be done again, nicely.
[02:05] <hggdh> Jeruvy, what exactly is the case?
[02:08] <Jeruvy> hggdh: well I saw a post in answers relating to a 'backdoor' in vista which didn't seem very relevent, but I wasn't sure if 'rejecting it' was the right course of action, so I thought I ask what is the case?
[02:09] <hggdh> Jeruvy, you can warn not to deal with it here, but we cannot close it. Do you have the link?
[02:09] <hggdh> cannot == do not have the authority/capability
[02:09] <Jeruvy> hggdh: gotcha, let me find it
[02:10] <Jeruvy> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/68904
[02:12] <greg-g> I don't think they are using the word "backdoor" in an illegal/bad way
[02:12] <hggdh> Jeruvy, if I understand it correctly (not sure) it is not a backdoor
[02:12] <hggdh> greg-g, +1
[02:12] <greg-g> :)
[02:13] <Jeruvy> greg-g: no, but still it did not seem relevent
[02:13] <hggdh> it is actually a, er, gateway wubi <-> vista the poster is referring to
[02:13] <hggdh> I think it can be considered a valid question, albeit a bit on the extreme
[02:13] <Jeruvy> hggdh: a package?
[02:14] <greg-g> Jeruvy: sure, but posters many time put non-relevant information into their bugs/questions, it is our job to sift through it :)
[02:14] <greg-g> s/time/times/
[02:14] <hggdh> Jeruvy, maybe, or something simliar. I am not familiar with wubi (don't have a windows-based box here)
[02:15] <Jeruvy> hggdh: I am, so if someone could enlighten me that would be supreme :)
[02:15] <hggdh> heh. I respectfully pass ;-)
[02:15] <Jeruvy> :)
[02:16] <BUGabundo> let me read it
[02:16] <hggdh> but, for sure, the first response is a bit aggressive
[02:16] <Jeruvy> but...for my questions sake...lets just say I was to 'reject it'.  What would happen?
[02:17] <Jeruvy> 'cause I too am not sure whether that is a good course of action or not.  Hence I'm asking.
[02:17] <hggdh> you cannot --we cannot reject a question. All we can do is ask not to do it, eventually ask for help from the LP folks to block the user
[02:18] <Jeruvy> hggdh: done
[02:19] <hggdh> huh, Jeruvy, when doing something like that, please also explain why. Please... be nice ;-)
[02:19] <Jeruvy> I was trying :)
[02:19] <BUGabundo> after reading it, seem like a valid question
[02:19] <BUGabundo> the users just wants to access his windows files
[02:19] <hggdh> and interface the FSs
[02:20] <hggdh> yes, I agree
[02:20] <hggdh> (FWIW)
[02:20] <Jeruvy> I was asking here to see, but I still don't see.  Sorry for the trouble.
[02:20] <BUGabundo> from what I recall, last time I used Wubi, the Wind FS should be accessble via the Nautilus mount points
[02:20] <hggdh> Jeruvy, the user seems to want to know how to download files under wubi, and pass them on to Vista
[02:21] <hggdh> a valid usage (weird, but still valid)
[02:21] <BUGabundo> why weird?
[02:22] <Jeruvy> so what happens now?
[02:22] <BUGabundo> any user should be able to write to other OSs FSs
[02:22] <BUGabundo> as long he has driver for it
[02:22] <hggdh> you can download under windows -- there are lots of programmes to do that
[02:22] <BUGabundo> and we do have NTFS-3g
[02:23] <BUGabundo> I've see users download stuff over ubuntu, and then copy to wind, because of virus
[02:23] <hggdh> ah
[02:24] <hggdh> and to think I have also been a MSCE...
[02:24] <Jeruvy> won't stop the virus in many cases.  But I wasn't concerned about that :)
[02:25] <BUGabundo> hggdh: ehehehe
[02:34] <BUGabundo> bed time for me! [[]] and kisses everyone
[02:54] <Ryan52> should ubuntu bugs be marked "fix released" when a package with the fix is available in somebodies PPA or when the package is actually uploaded to Ubuntu?
[02:56] <Ryan52> sorry for the dumb question, but I want to get this email sent before I leave (in a few minutes), and want to make sure that I'm right before incorrectly correcting somebody. :)
[02:57] <maxb> Fix Released is only for when the fix is actually in Ubuntu itself
[02:58] <maxb> usually this should be accomplished by the bug number being in the changelog entry - and then the bug will be automatically set to "Fix Released" by the upload
[02:58] <Ryan52> ok, good. thanks for confirming what I thought.
[07:20] <dholbach> good morning
[09:00] <BUGabundo> guud morning
[09:09] <YoBoY> hi
[09:13] <BUGabundo> YoBoY: hi! nice to see you
[09:14] <stesind> hopefully ubuntu will soon release firefox 3.0.10
[09:14] <YoBoY> nice to see you too BUGabundo :)
[09:26] <BUGabundo> stesind: i'm sure the ubuntu-mozillateam is working on it!
[09:27] <stesind> it is quite annoying because ff crashes a few times a day
[09:28] <BUGabundo> stesind: why dont u try FF 3.5 ?
[09:28] <BUGabundo> Hew: welcome
[09:28] <stesind> it is just beta
[09:28] <BUGabundo> so what?
[09:28] <stesind> and on a productive system
[09:28] <Hew> hi BUGabundo
[09:29] <BUGabundo> i use 3.6 from daily PPA every day
[09:29] <BUGabundo> stesind: its not common the day i have a FF crash
[09:29] <BUGabundo> then again, i'm an alpha tester.... soo....
[09:30] <stesind> i have some pluginst like firebug
[09:30] <stesind> they cause the crashes because of bugfixes in 3.0.9
[09:30] <BUGabundo> i run most of my addons without any trouble
[09:30] <stesind> maybe I give it a try
[09:31] <BUGabundo> nightly tools does wonders
[09:31] <BUGabundo> stesind: if that happens persistently and is able to be reproduced, then file a bug
[09:31] <BUGabundo> on either launchpad or the addon BTS
[09:32] <stesind> it is already known an the fix is in 3.0.10
[09:32] <stesind> it just released bug not available via ubuntu repositories
[09:32] <stesind> but I ment
[09:33] <BUGabundo> ah then u should use the team PPA
[09:33] <BUGabundo> or even daily PPA report back on #ubuntu-mozillateam channel
[09:33] <BUGabundo> or comment on the bug
[11:37] <Intellect> Hi. It seems that I have discovered some kind of bug in nautilus-usershare. What should i do?
[11:39] <BUGabundo> Intellect: run $ ubuntu-bug nautilus-usershare
[11:39] <BUGabundo> also helps if it is reproducable by another user
[11:53] <Baum> hi. its the first time i have submitted a bug in ubuntu. how long will it take before someone looks at it? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libpam-mount/+bug/367918
[11:53] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 367918 in libpam-mount "sshd cannot mount cifs shares" [Undecided,New]
[11:53] <Baum> ok
[11:53] <Baum> ;)
[11:54] <Baum> with the ubuntu-bug tool the bugs are also submitted to launchpad so i guess i was right yesterday...
[12:28] <apw> the ubuntu-kernel-team is having a bug day today ... if you have any experience in kernel-triage and would like to help out looking over our backlog please see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/BugDay/20090428 which points to the list of bugs we are attacking (see the community section for unclaimed ones!).  we are lurking over on #ubuntu-kernel as always
[12:45] <emil_s> Hello everybody! Something seems strange in this report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-network-manager/+bug/336190
[12:45] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 336190 in knetworkmanager "Wireless network are hidden by the bar" [Unknown,Confirmed]
[12:46] <emil_s> The problem in right, i can confirm it, but the upstream seems te be wrong: Knetworkmanager nederlandse vertaling (Dutch translation)
[12:50] <emil_s> And "knetworkmanager" is also the old KDE3/QT3. The correct upstream can be found here: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=188318
[12:50] <ubot4`> KDE bug 188318 in Network Management Plasma Widget "Increasing the number of shown wireless networks makes them overlap VPN connections" [Normal,New]
[13:10] <aaronp> hi all
[13:10] <darizzle> hey
[13:11] <aaronp> i'm not here for long tonight, just wanted to pop in and say g'day to everyone. i've decided i'm going to start helping out with bugs
[13:14] <kklimonda> great, I've lost sound.. -.-
[13:15] <kklimonda> "E: alsa-util.c: Error opening PCM device hw:0: No such file or directory" - that's new..
[13:17] <aaronp> cya next time guys ;-)
[16:00] <hggdh> Baum, it depends on who is available to look at it
[17:00] <stesind1> hi
[17:00] <stesind1> I need to install my canon printer ip4000
[17:01] <charlie-tca> stesind1: better to ask in #ubuntu for help with that
[17:01] <BUGabundo> stesind1: support for ubuntu is on #ubuntu channel
[17:01] <BUGabundo> not here
[17:01]  * BUGabundo still has faster fingers ;)
[17:01] <stesind1> I plug it in usb, and the printer setup dialogue appears, it finds the gutenberg driver
[17:01] <stesind1> and authentication fails
[17:02] <stesind1> root needs passwort on localhost
[17:03]  * charlie-tca got the answer out first, though
[17:03] <charlie-tca> stesind1: still need to ask in #ubuntu
[17:03] <stesind1> does anyone installed a usb printer
[17:04] <BUGabundo> oh no you dintnt charlie-tca
[17:04] <BUGabundo> stesind1: please, refer to a few lines above
[17:04] <BUGabundo> stesind1: support for ubuntu is on #ubuntu channel, no in here!
[17:04] <stesind1> what is this about
[17:04] <stesind1> ß
[17:04] <stesind1> ok
[17:05] <bddebian> Boo
[17:05] <charlie-tca> This is used by the ubuntu-bugsquad for discussing specific bugs already filed
[17:05] <stpere> charlie-tca: too late :-\
[17:05] <BUGabundo> foo
[17:05] <charlie-tca> Yeah, my fingers are faster than my eyes
[17:05] <BUGabundo> ahahaah
[17:07] <hggdh> and myu fongersa arew as goodf ax mye eyeyes
[17:08] <BUGabundo> me too hggdh  eyes suck even after laser surgery
[17:19] <charlie-tca> I think I qualify for laser surgery now.
[17:19] <charlie-tca> can they do it with +4 stygmatism?
[17:20] <davideotape> I wouldn't take the chance if I was you...
[17:20] <BUGabundo> yep
[17:20] <calc> charlie-tca: i think so
[17:20] <BUGabundo> up until 5 or 7
[17:20] <charlie-tca> Been waiting years already
[17:20]  * calc is around -6.5 with astigmatism
[17:20] <BUGabundo> i got from 2.75 to .25
[17:20]  * calc doesn't trust people cutting on his eyes :-\
[17:21] <BUGabundo> but got worse again in this two last years!
[17:21] <charlie-tca> that's enough to make me wait
[17:21] <calc> BUGabundo: were you stablized before you had the surgery?
[17:21] <BUGabundo> calc: believe me it was a terrible experience to be there lying while u watch....gtrrr
[17:21] <calc> i've had the same presecription for the past 10-15 years i think, so i should be stablized
[17:21] <BUGabundo> calc: i was
[17:21] <BUGabundo> i had the same for 4 years
[17:22] <calc> oh
[17:22] <charlie-tca> I can't stay stable for 2 years.
[17:23] <calc> charlie-tca: if your vision hasn't been stable at least for several years don't even think about getting surgery
[17:23]  * charlie-tca thinks the cataracts are not helping
[17:23] <calc> charlie-tca: oh then just get lens replacement or whatever it is they do for that... it often fixes vision as well
[17:23] <charlie-tca> They won't do it until the cataract is completely covering the eye
[17:23] <hggdh> yes
[17:23] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: no they dont
[17:23] <calc> my grandmother had to have cataract surgery and after that she no longer needed vision correction in that eye
[17:24] <hggdh> charlie-tca, under US health insurance?
[17:24] <charlie-tca> I have heard that.
[17:24] <charlie-tca> yes, hggdh
[17:24] <hggdh> that's why
[17:24] <charlie-tca> retired military
[17:24] <hggdh> wouldn't the vet do it?
[17:25] <charlie-tca> no
[17:25] <charlie-tca> not until they are complete
[17:26] <hggdh> that's ridiculous, and stupid: you have to get blind to qualify :-(
[17:28] <charlie-tca> I know. I kinda yelled that, too
[17:28] <hggdh> ah well. sic tempora gloria mundi, and etc
[18:21] <josephpiche> I have a question about policy: I ran into bug 368425. I would like to set it as wishlist importance, but I don't have access to do that, should I give it a "wishlist" tag?
[18:21] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 368425 in sysvinit "fsck should run on shutdown, not startup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/368425
[18:22] <james_w> asking in here is best
[18:22] <james_w> I've set it for you now
[18:23] <james_w> it's something that would span more than one package I bet though
[18:24] <hggdh> yes, I would expect so
[18:24] <bdmurray> I thought there was discussion about that once before
[18:24] <hggdh> *some* discussions, if I remember correctly
[18:24] <sbeattie> I thought so, too.
[18:24] <josephpiche> k, thanks
[18:25] <sbeattie> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/prompt-for-fsck-on-shutdown
[18:25] <josephpiche> just out of curiosity, who is able to change that?
[18:26] <sbeattie> Discussion thread based on the technical review starts here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-August/026028.html
[18:27] <greg-g> josephpiche: members of the Bug Control team in Launchpad
[18:31] <ball> I filed my first bug today.
[18:31] <josephpiche> greg-g: thanks
[18:31] <ball> ...need to figure out how to find bugs I can fix (or at least confirm) though.
[18:33] <hggdh> ball, list them on launchpad, and then cherry-pick
[18:33] <hggdh> (or stay with only a few packages)
[18:34] <ball> Oooh, is it a bug if Firefox can't be uninstalled?
[18:37] <hggdh> ball, it *might* be. What is the bug #?
[18:39] <ball> hggdh: I haven't filed that one yet
[18:39] <hggdh> ball, it depends on what happened. If you got an error in dpkg/synaptic/apt, then it is probably a bug
[18:41] <ball> hggdh: hang on, let me close Firefox and I'll try it.
[18:42] <ball> yep.  sudo apt-get remove firefox /appears/ to work, but then firefox still launches
[18:43] <hggdh> ball, try running 'dpkg -l firefox\*' and then pastebin the result here
[18:43] <hggdh> !pastebin
[18:43] <ubot4`> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[18:47] <ball> http://www.pastebin.ca/1406356
[18:47] <ball> Have to go, the tree people are here
[20:02] <bdmurray> pedro_: I've tried recreating bug 187136 in Jaunty and it works fine for the mpg I mentioned and a mkv file.  Should I set it to Fix Released?
[20:02] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 187136 in totem "gnome-video-thumbnailer unable to process file" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187136
[20:04] <pedro_> bdmurray: yes, please do so
[20:13] <bdmurray> pedro_: Did you see I'd moved some compiz crashes to the driver package?
[20:15] <pedro_> bdmurray: yeap, thanks
[20:16] <pedro_> bdmurray: most of the crashes there are coming from libGLcore.so.1
[20:16] <bdmurray> pedro_: right, so that is a driver issue according to bryce
[20:16] <pedro_> same with some of the gnome-screensaver
[20:16] <bdmurray> oh, that's a good one to check too
[20:53] <hollman> bug #bug359392
[20:53] <hollman> bug #359392
[20:53] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 359392 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[i965] X freezes starting on April 3rd" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/359392
[20:54] <hollman> bug 368425
[20:54] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 368425 in sysvinit "fsck should run on shutdown, not startup" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/368425
[21:49] <kklimonda> how can i display list of bugs recently posted?
[21:50] <bdmurray> in the advanced search there is a most recent bugs option I think
[21:50] <bdmurray> er, newest first
[21:51] <Elbrus> and recently: http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/bugnumbers/bugs-since-jaunty.html
[22:13] <BUGabundo> guud evening
[22:14] <hacktick> boa noite BUGabundo
[22:14] <BUGabundo> hacktick: ola
[22:15] <hacktick> comemorou a festa do lançamento de jaunty?
[22:15] <BUGabundo> claro
[22:16] <hacktick> tivemos mais de 200 pessoas aqui em Berlim, foi massa
[22:17] <BUGabundo> porreiro
[23:03] <hggdh> bdmurray, ping?
[23:04] <bdmurray> hggdh: yep
[23:05] <hggdh> bdmurray, please have a look at https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+question/68986
[23:06] <hggdh> I wrote my request, but the more I think about it, the more I consider it a valid point
[23:07] <bdmurray> hggdh: What do you mean exactly?
[23:08] <hggdh> I did not want to go ahead and open it upstream without the user's agreeing, but I think it is worth it
[23:09] <bdmurray> I don't think there is any harm in opening it upstream.  I don't think it is invasive.
[23:09] <hggdh> thanks
[23:11] <BUGabundo> does any know of any new bug for JJ about wifi intel 2100 not working?
[23:12] <kklimonda> nothing on LP?
[23:14] <BUGabundo> I'm having the user searching
[23:16] <hggdh> what is JJ?
[23:16] <Elbrus> I greated an debdiff for a merge for winff (I maintain that in Debian). Can somebody set that to whishlist? bug 368898
[23:16] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 368898 in winff "Please merge winff1.0.1-2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/368898
[23:16] <BUGabundo> bug 291868
[23:16] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 291868 in libchipcard "i can't enabel my wireless :( (dup-of: 283925)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/291868
[23:16] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 283925 in libchipcard "package libchipcard-tools 4.1.3-2 failed to configure: il sottoprocesso post-installation script ha restituito un codice di errore 1" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/283925
[23:17] <BUGabundo> hggdh: jj = jaunty jackalope
[23:17] <hggdh> duh ;-(
[23:17] <BUGabundo> LOL
[23:17] <BUGabundo> kk
[23:23] <hggdh> Elbrus, you can subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage#Special%20types%20of%20bugs). The bug should not be set to wishlist
[23:26] <hggdh> Elbrus, thank you. A workflow bug is not dealt by with us, but by the appropriate teams
[23:29] <askand> Hi, about the (propably tśoon to be famous) freezebug(s) in Jaunty that completly locks up computers regardless of what videocard is being used
[23:29] <askand> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1135055
[23:29] <askand> How would one debug such a freeze?
[23:35] <hggdh> askand, better ask in #ubuntu-x
[23:35] <kklimonda> askand: it looks like something new to me. do you have a bug number for this issue?
[23:36] <askand> kklimonda: the only bug I know about is bug 364524
[23:36] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 364524 in ubuntu "Lockup when using strace" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/364524
[23:37] <askand> there is possibly more floating around since judging from the thread there are some people experiencing this
[23:38] <BUGabundo> ahh that bug
[23:38] <BUGabundo> I won't test it again
[23:38] <BUGabundo> LOL
[23:38] <BUGabundo> last time I got my audio out of syn
[23:38] <BUGabundo> *sync
[23:39] <BUGabundo> but yeah I confirm it, strace makes PC go slow, without any load noticible
[23:40] <askand> Yes, however I dont know if it is related to the freezes people is having
[23:42]  * BUGabundo backsup slowlly
[23:47] <hggdh> askand, there is also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Debugging
[23:47] <askand> hggdh: yes that is mentioned in the thread but they say it is not an X freeze
[23:49] <hggdh> askand, for that bug you would probably need two machines: one doing the strace (and getting locked up), and another ssh-ing in the first to investigate
[23:51] <darizzle> how long have you guys been helping with ubuntu qa?
[23:53] <hggdh> darizzle, varies per person... I have been around for the last two years and few
[23:54] <darizzle> i have a question
[23:54] <darizzle> i want to get started
[23:54] <darizzle> i have read all of the bugsquad documentation
[23:55] <darizzle> existing on ubuntu.com and the related subdomains
[23:55] <darizzle> but am anxious about how to start
[23:55] <darizzle> because i know the complexity of the process
[23:55] <darizzle> i don't want to step on feet, misidentify, or mishandle
[23:55] <darizzle> is there a time where someone could walk me through a triage
[23:55] <darizzle> or even selection for triage
[23:56] <hggdh> easy: pick *any* bug that you feel confortable (or less unconfortable) and try to work it out
[23:56] <hggdh> and then ask here if you have doubts
[23:58] <BUGabundo> darizzle: calm down, dude, you seem to be on steroids!
[23:58] <BUGabundo> there enough bugs for all your life time and go around a couple more times
[23:59] <hggdh> darizzle, there will be some sessions on bug triaging on the OpenWeek. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek


[02:02] <axw> mgz: if you have some time to spare, would you please review https://github.com/go-amz/amz/pull/57 ?
[05:49] <menn0> axw: ping
[05:49] <axw> menn0: hey
[05:49] <menn0> axw: i've just had a look at bug 1478024 and it looks quite serious
[05:49] <mup> Bug #1478024: Looping config-changed hooks in fresh juju-core 1.24.3 Openstack deployment <canonical-bootstack> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core 1.24:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1478024>
[05:50] <menn0> axw: i'm not working tomorrow so I wanted to hand let someone else know about it
[05:50] <axw> menn0: ok. anything to share that's not on the bug?
[05:51] <menn0> axw: the uniters for the units keep dying which causes many unnecessary config-changed hook firings and I think is hurting performance badly
[05:51] <menn0> axw: no everything is on the ticket I think
[05:51] <axw> menn0: ok, see if I can work out what's causing those errors. thanks for letting me know
[05:51] <menn0> axw: I've spent most of my day looking at bug 1478232 and I'm now beginning to think they're related
[05:51] <mup> Bug #1478232: juju 1.24 poor performance <cpec> <juju-core:Triaged by menno.smits> <juju-core 1.24:Triaged by menno.smits> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1478232>
[05:52] <axw> ok
[05:52] <menn0> axw: I might email the list as well to get some extra eyes on this overnight
[06:01] <menn0> axw: email sent.
[06:02] <menn0> axw: if you don't get anywhere with it then hopefully someone else can.
[06:02]  * menn0 is done
[06:02] <axw> menn0: thanks. have a nice day off
[06:49] <dimitern> morning folks
[07:25] <dooferlad> hi dimitern, was expecting you to take a swap day.
[07:27] <dimitern> dooferlad, I was thinking about it, but decided to do instead 2 half days - tomorrow and on wednesday
[07:30] <dimitern> or something like it - today and tomorrow actually
[07:33] <TheMue> morning *yawn*
[07:33] <dimitern> TheMue, o/
[07:37] <TheMue> Weather is grey, energy is low, need some caffeine this morning.
[07:38] <dimitern> TheMue, be glad it's gray :) it closing 40 degrees in BG this week
[07:39] <TheMue> dimitern: ok, 40° is a bit too much. 25 to 30 would be nice
[07:46] <dimitern> dooferlad, dooferbot - you're multiplying yourself? :)
[07:46] <dooferlad> dimitern: little experiment
[07:47] <dooferlad> dimitern: go server, web front end
[07:47] <dooferlad> dimitern: you know, for fun!
[07:47] <dimitern> dooferlad, cool :)
[08:03] <dimitern> TheMue, 1:1 ?
[08:04] <TheMue> dimitern: oh, yeah, forgot, sorry. just hacking. ;) omw
[08:24] <mattyw> bogdanteleaga, ping?
[08:42] <axw> dimitern: hey, when you have a moment can you please take a look at https://github.com/go-amz/amz/pull/57?
[08:43] <dimitern> axw, hey, sure - looking
[08:44] <dimitern> axw, LGTM
[08:44] <axw> dimitern: thanks!
[09:02] <bogdanteleaga> mattyw: hey
[09:03] <mattyw> bogdanteleaga, good morning, - this is good to land http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/2259/
[09:04] <bogdanteleaga> mattyw: cool, I think you can push it if it's a blocker and I'm not around
[09:06] <mattyw> bogdanteleaga, ok will do
[09:06] <mattyw> bogdanteleaga, I'll keep an eye on it - many thanks
[09:08] <bogdanteleaga> mattyw: np, I'm still not sure why SupportedSeries does not return all of them on ubuntu, it does seem like a bug to me
[09:09] <mattyw> bogdanteleaga, that does seem odd you're right
[09:36] <bogdanteleaga> mattyw: that was fast :)
[09:37] <mattyw> bogdanteleaga, I happened to come across the tab at the right time
[09:37] <mattyw> bogdanteleaga, I have a headache this morning so endlessly scrolling through tabs is about as productive as I can be :)
[11:29] <dimitern> jam, ping
[11:29] <dimitern> katco, jam, there's no g+ link on the making juju better call I'm supposed to attend
[11:30] <dimitern> fwereade, hey
[11:31] <fwereade> dimitern, heyhey
[11:31] <dimitern> fwereade, any idea where are we supposed to join that call starting now?
[11:31] <fwereade> dimitern, what with being at a sprint, can I skip our 1:1 please?
[11:31] <fwereade> dimitern, oh, er, what call?
[11:31] <dimitern> fwereade, sure, already declined
[11:31] <fwereade> dimitern, ah
[11:31] <fwereade> dimitern, the schedule is ...fluid
[11:31] <fwereade> dimitern, so that particular meeting is not happening now
[11:31] <dimitern> fwereade, Making Juju Better - salon AB
[11:32] <dimitern> fwereade, ok, that's good to know :)
[11:32] <fwereade> dimitern, we will be sure to let you know when it really is ;)
[11:32] <dimitern> fwereade, thanks
[11:32] <dimitern> fwereade, are you on the sprint btw?
[11:32] <fwereade> dimitern, yeah
[11:33] <dimitern> fwereade, so I ask you to let me know when I'm needed and where then :)
[11:37] <dimitern> actually, I said I'll be around for half a day, so I'd better do it
[12:01] <bogdanteleaga> any gwacl expert around?
[12:13] <perrito666> morning
[12:15] <anastasiamac> perrito666: o/
[13:35] <fwereade> does anyone know why we have a bunch of api structs defined in api/client.go instead of somewhere in the apiserver/params package?
[13:38] <perrito666> fwereade: I would daresay snowballing
[13:38]  * perrito666 curses his space bar
[13:58]  * TheMue would even prefer .../api/client, api/server, and api/params, so that client users don't have to import apiserver/params
[14:36] <natefinch> ericsnow, wwitzel3: btw, going to be here after all.    Worth it for me.  Plus it's a lot smaller than my shop built jig (and therefore I'm much more likely to use it)
[14:46] <perrito666> I just use a steady hand for that :p
[14:46] <perrito666> but I reckon that using a jig gets nicer results
[14:47] <perrito666> I am so buying one of those
[14:48] <natefinch> perrito666: I'm impressed at anyone able to do it by hand. Getting a drill hole started at an angle by hand has always been disaster for me
[14:48] <natefinch> perrito666: this is what I bought: http://www.amazon.com/Kreg-K4-Pocket-Hole-System/dp/B001DYFISG
[14:49] <perrito666> you have big pockets dude
[14:49] <natefinch> :/
[14:49] <perrito666> natefinch: to do an angled hole by hand you first make a dent in the wood
[14:50] <perrito666> natefinch: that is certainly not a "pocket tool"
[14:51]  * perrito666 looks for the same device with proper units
[14:51] <wwitzel3> even with a starter spot, if you are doing anything longer than 2 or 3" and you want tight tolerances for your hardware, you'll need a jig, almost impossible drilling 4,5,6 inches straight without a jig
[14:52] <perrito666> wwitzel3: agreed, my results are ugly
[14:52] <perrito666> they are just barely enough to cover the screw and I never get 2 to look the same
[14:56]  * perrito666 notices that he has no clue how to buy that here as he does not know the name in spanish
[15:02] <natefinch> perrito666: actual results from me using the jig for the first time: http://imgur.com/WvPxnBc
[15:08] <perrito666> well the name in spanish is a bit dissapointing
[15:08] <perrito666> basically it transalates to "template to make holes with an inclination"
[15:09] <natefinch> lol
[18:32] <mup> Bug #1478660 opened: juju uses proxy to access bootstrap node <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1478660>
[19:56] <mup> Bug #1478027 changed: supportedSeriesWindowsSuite.TestSupportedSeries mismatch with "arch" <blocker> <ci> <regression> <unit-tests> <windows> <juju-core:Fix Released by bteleaga> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1478027>
[21:15] <sinzui> ericsnow: Do you need to meet today?
[21:41] <mup> Bug #1478706 opened: Supported series only returns ubuntu series on ubuntu <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1478706>
[21:44] <mup> Bug #1478706 changed: Supported series only returns ubuntu series on ubuntu <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1478706>
[21:59] <mup> Bug #1478706 opened: Supported series only returns ubuntu series on ubuntu <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1478706>


[00:06] <jbrantly_> anyone know if its plausible to use ubuntu studio in a live sound environment (for instance, to serve as an EQ between an analog mixer and the amps)?
[00:09] <persia> jbrantly_, It is plausible, but be aware that you'll be restricted on how much mixing you can do based on the processing capacity of the hardware.
[00:09] <persia> I don't think anyone has good metrics for that, and a lot of it has to do with the quality of the drivers for your audio interface (and making sure your interface can handle your mixing needs)
[00:10] <jbrantly_> not really interested in mixing. Looking at it more for signal processing (like an EQ)
[00:11] <jbrantly_> but yea, I would be concerned about the A/D conversion and latency
[00:14] <persia> For recent hardware, with a good interface, latency can be fairly low (<10ms).
[00:14] <persia> But for that kind of use, you *really* want to make sure of the AD/DA quality, and overspec your hardware by a bit, just in case.
[00:15] <jbrantly_> right. So top-notch A/D interface, but it sounds like it is possible. Cool.
[00:15] <persia> I suspect that you'd end up with similar costs to new dedicated solutions, or maybe even +5-10%, although you get to use the computer for other things when you aren't using it as an EQ :)
[00:16] <jbrantly_> yea, I was just thinking it might be kind of versatile. For instance, buying an interface might be cheaper than buying a graphic EQ and a parametric EQ and provide more options
[00:17] <persia> Might be cheaper than both, and also can act as an effects box.
[00:18] <jbrantly_> any thoughts on good AD/DA interfaces? I havent looked in years
[00:18] <persia> Just be aware that you're going to be fairly limited on how many things you can do simultaneously without pushing your latency.  Some of the dedicated hardware has stuff like 8-way DSP engines.
[00:19] <persia> I'd recommend asking on #opensourcemusicians : there's just more folk there.  I've been very happy with a focusrite saffire, but the "best" is really about what you do, and not about any specific device.
[00:20] <persia> Try to find some other folk who do work live: they can probably tell you which ones are *fastest*, which is what you need, even if that means some loss of quality (although you shouldn't accept too much quality loss, etc.)
[00:20] <jbrantly_> right. Thanks a ton for your help :)
[00:20] <persia> No problem.  If it works for you, please tell everyone :)
[09:08] <loxs> is ubuntustudio suitable for deploying as a home multimedia center (as opposed to multimedia production, as ubuntustudio markets itself)
[09:08] <loxs> I am aiming at high quality sound
[09:08] <loxs> and want to do it with the least effort
[09:10] <persia> I generally recommend Mythbuntu for that sort of application, although there were discussions at this last UDS about making some additional media center flavours.
[09:11] <loxs> UDS?
[09:12] <persia> Ubuntu Developer Summit: the event that (kinda) plans each release.  Happened last week in Orlando.
[09:12] <loxs> what about things like dyne:bolyc and geexbox?
[09:13] <persia> I suspect those are as good as the folk who make them can make them.  I tend to be biased towards Ubuntu, but haven't spent any time at all making comparisons, so can't really say which is preferred.
[09:14] <loxs> I am too biased towards using a big established distro for this stuff
[09:14] <loxs> but I like the idea of running it off a usb stick
[09:14] <persia> You can do that with Ubuntu.
[09:15] <loxs> isnt mythbuntu aiming at TV?
[09:16] <persia> There's a tool called usb-creator that specifically creates a USB disk to either use as a bootable running environment or to install something.  I don't know of anyone specifically using it for a media center, but I don't imagine significant issues as long as you have enough storage.
[09:17] <persia> You'll likely get a more detailed description of the mythbuntu target from #ubuntu-mythtv, but I believe so.  I think it also does audio playback though.
[09:17] <loxs> thanks, I'll go check that channel too
[09:18] <loxs> I will probably use something like pulseaudio to stream sound from my other machines via wireless. I have no idea (yet) if this will bring havoc to the audio quality
[09:18] <loxs> so in fact I need something small to boot off the usb stick and just sit there and play sounds
[20:29] <rvchila> good evening!
[20:55] <grumbl69> hello
[20:56] <grumbl69> got a question about ffado
[21:01] <grumbl69> still nothing ?
[21:05] <persia> Folk should just ask questions and wait a bit :(


[02:15] <shaun__> can someone here lend a hand getting some icons in place?
[02:17] <wafflejock> I just installed KeePassX from source and it included some icons, but they are located in /usr/local/share instead of /usr/local/applications/share not sure how to get the .desktop file to pull the appropriate icons
[02:28] <ruwhynot> Hello to all.  How can I bind changing keyboard layout (English <-> Russian) to "Ctrl+Shift"?
[04:27] <mishrahsigni> wafflejock: edit the launcher and click on the icon... and dialog will popup
[04:28] <wafflejock> thx for the reply I actually ended up doing that and just pointing to the file
[04:29] <wafflejock> I found docs on where it searches for icons and it seems like it included the /usr/local/share where there was an icons folder with keepassx stuff in it but didn't find them itself still for some reason so just added it to a panel right click and pointed it to the icon
[04:29] <wafflejock> http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-theme-spec/icon-theme-spec-latest.html
[07:27] <James0r> can someone  help me make a script and symlink it? this is the post with the fix i need: http://pastebin.com/d9urj7JP
[07:45] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:47] <lordievader> James0r: I'd say you use upstart instead of init for this.
[07:48] <James0r> lordievader: is upstart the ide autostart tool?
[07:48] <lordievader> James0r: With the starting argument being "start on starting apache"
[07:48] <lordievader> James0r: Upstart is the Ubuntu replacement for SysVinit (or however it is called).
[07:49] <James0r> lordievader: all i want it to perform is /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[07:49] <lordievader> James0r: Upstart scripts are located in /etc/init/*
[07:49] <marco> hi all
[07:49] <James0r> lordievader: i see there is a script section in Autostart in kde. can i add it there?
[07:49] <lordievader> Hey marco
[07:49] <wafflejockTablet> !upstart
[07:49] <Guest45986> how are you guys ?
[07:50] <lordievader> James0r: Well the disable sites thing you want to do before apache starts, so I'd say you use upstart.
[07:50] <lordievader> Guest45986: Doing good, how about you?
[07:50] <Guest45986> yeah not bad, thanks
[07:51] <James0r> lordievader: sorry i should have updated you, i dont aim to do anything with the sites now. i think simply just restarting the apache server should solve my problem
[07:51] <Guest45986> hey what the problem with my nick ?
[07:52] <lordievader> James0r: Oh, then allow your user to execute "sudo service apache restart" without asking for a password and put the line in your ~/.profile (or in the KDE autostart).
[07:53] <James0r> lordievader: how would i allow my user root without a password?
[07:53] <James0r> lordievader: k i've added it to autostart.
[07:54] <marco021> hi all
[07:54] <marco021> here we can chat about ?
[07:54] <marco021> all topics ?
[07:55] <lordievader> James0r: Add something like "kasui   ALL =NOPASSWD: /sbin/poweroff" to your  /etc/sudoers file. (Use "sudo visudo" to edit the file), in this example the kasui user will not be asked for a password when he executes "sudo poweroff".
[07:56] <lordievader> marco021: This is Kubuntu support, for offtopic chat join #kubuntu-offtopic
[07:56] <James0r> lordievader: okay i'll give it a shot
[07:57] <marco021> thanks !
[07:57] <marco021> bye
[08:00] <ovrflw0x> i can hibernate by doing "sudo pm-hibernate" but i don't see Hibernate option in "KMenu"
[08:00] <ovrflw0x> how to get it?
[08:01] <ovrflw0x> so that i can hibernate as regular user
[08:07] <James0r> lordievader: so when i type sudo visudo it brings me to the editor and says File: /etc/sudoers.tmp
[08:08] <James0r> lordievader: is this the right file?
[08:09] <James0r> lordievader: and i added 'james ALL=NOPASSWD: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart'
[08:09] <James0r> lordievader: no single quotes obviously
[08:10] <lordievader> James0r: Between ALL and =NOPASSWD: I had a space, and yes you are editing a tmp file.
[08:11] <lordievader> James0r: If you make a syntax error in your sudoers file you can no longer get sudo rights, so that is the reason for the existance of visudo.
[08:12] <James0r> lordievader: yikes
[08:12] <James0r> lordievader: i figured it was there for dummy proofing
[08:12] <lordievader> James0r: It checks the tmp file for syntax errors before writing it to /etc/sudoers :)
[08:14] <James0r> lordievader: and the path at the end of the line should be the path that we allow my user to execute as root, not the path of this script i'm executing right?
[08:15] <lordievader> James0r: You are trying to allow /etc/init.d/apache2, right? So I'd think it would be the path to <--
[08:17] <James0r> lordievader: when i try to run the script now without sudo in the terminal i get  * The apache2 configtest failed.
[08:17] <James0r> Output of config test was:
[08:17] <James0r> mkdir: cannot create directory '/var/run/apache2': Permission denied
[08:17] <James0r> chown: changing ownership of '/var/lock/apache2.cjHcsWQObo': Operation not permitted
[08:17] <lordievader> James0r: You can test it by opening a new shell, typing "sudo <somecommand>" verifying he asks for a password. Ctrl+c out of there (without giving your password) and then running "sudo /etc/init.d/apach2 start" and seeing if you are promted for a password.
[08:17] <James0r> sorry i'll paste bin next time
[08:18] <lordievader> James0r: You do need sudo ;)
[08:18] <James0r> lordievader: ahh but just no password
[08:19] <James0r> hj]
[08:19] <lordievader> James0r: Because if it doesn't ask for a password you can throw it in a script without worrying that it will halt because it needs your password ;)
[08:20] <James0r> lordievader: i see
[08:21] <James0r> lordievader: okay nice doesn't prompt for a password. so now i edit the script and just add 'sudo' before the command eh?
[08:21] <James0r> ls
[08:22] <lordievader> James0r: Yes, edit ~/.profile (or something similair) and add "sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart"
[08:23] <James0r> lordievader: okay i added sudo to the script and it runs now. just wanna restart to make sure it loads on startup to check it
[08:26] <marco021> hi guys , please how it works freenode ?
[08:26] <marco021> to find some free - chat ?
[08:27] <marco021> hi all !
[08:27] <marco021> can you help me ?
[08:28] <marco021> alis service freenode - how can i use it ?
[09:07] <James0r> lordievader: the script worked. thx for your help!
[09:08] <lordievader> James0r: No problem :)
[10:18] <ovrflw0x> i get "No bluetooth adapter found" message 13.10 here how to fix it?
[10:32] <jalcine> ovrflw0x: what does 'hciconfig' show?
[10:32] <jalcine> run 'hciconfig' and let us know if it shows any output
[10:37] <ovrflw0x> jalcine: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6478344/
[10:38] <jalcine> jarkko: run 'sudo hciconfig hci0 up'
[10:38] <jalcine> it's a h/w switch
[10:38] <jalcine> happens to some machines (like mine)
[10:38] <jalcine> once it's up and you ensure that it's always powered in BlueDevil; it'd remain on when you turn on+off the machine
[10:40] <jalcine> jarkko: any luck? I'm confident that would work.
[10:40] <ovrflw0x> i'm trying to start bluedevil
[10:40] <jalcine> you shoud see PSCAN UP in the 'hciconfig' output now after running that
[10:40] <ovrflw0x> es
[10:40] <ovrflw0x> yes
[10:41] <ovrflw0x> jalcine: i'm trying to start bluedevil but it remains busy and disappears from panel
[10:41] <jalcine> 'kcmshell4 bluedeviladapters'
[10:41] <jalcine> try first removing the paired devices (if any) and re-pairing.
[10:43] <ovrflw0x> jalcine: i still get "no adapters found"
[10:43] <ovrflw0x> from bluedevil
[10:44] <ovrflw0x> when i rightclick/leftclick on it it says no adapters found
[10:44] <jalcine> hmm
[10:45] <ovrflw0x> i get this on hciconfig UP RUNNING PSCAN ISCAN
[10:46] <jalcine> This is a long shot here, but try running 'sudo service bluetooth restart'
[10:46] <jalcine> that'd restart the lower-level bluetooth daemon
[10:46] <jalcine> and (in hopes), notice the changes made
[10:47] <ovrflw0x> jalcine: it's working
[10:47] <ovrflw0x> now
[10:48] <jalcine> Sweet! Now try pairing with a device to confirm.
[10:55] <ovrflw0x> jalcine: why is transfer speed so slow around 4-9kbps
[11:00] <ovrflw0x> anyways, it was sweet to get Bluetooth on... later and bye ;)
[11:03] <jarkko> not sure if you were  talking to wrong guy
[11:03] <jarkko> Can't get device info: No such device i get this error
[12:26] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:31]  * jalcine passes BluesKaj a mug of joe
[12:35] <BluesKaj> thanks  jalcine  ;)
[12:52] <kristal> a process called kworker is hammering my hard drive continuously
[12:54] <BluesKaj> kristal. check system monitor . it will be using cpu when needed, unless you have file indexing and akonadi enabled
[12:55] <kristal> BluesKaj: kwin is the only active process, and my drive sounds busier than when i transfer thousands of small files
[12:58] <BluesKaj> kristal. well if you're transferring files then that's normal, type kworker in the search on system monitor process tab to see what it's doing
[13:00] <kristal> BluesKaj: I have no user processes running other than quassel and some kworker thing us using 15% IO constantly
[13:02] <BluesKaj> kristal. well < I see you're crossposting in #ubuntu , they might know the answer
[13:03] <alvin> kristal: How are you measuring?
[13:03] <kristal> alvin: using iotop
[13:04] <alvin> I see. The process is running here too, but I can't find the executable.
[13:11] <alvin> kristal: Here's a very useful answer: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10846747/origin-of-a-kworker-thread
[13:12] <kristal> alvin: I think I found a zombie nepomuk process using io too...
[13:12] <alvin> Yes :-) I have a server here (just a moment) with a zombie infestation. Let's see...
[13:13] <kristal> alvin: restarting now, let's see if it comes back
[13:13] <alvin> 145 nepomuk zombies!
[13:13] <alvin> That's what I get for running LTS releases. That bug has been fixed long ago.
[13:15] <kristal> alvin:  welp i went from 15% to 7% hddio...
[13:16] <alvin> Are you on a recent release? There have been tons of complaints about nepomuk/akonadi/virtuoso and likewise, there have been tons of bugfixes.
[13:17] <kristal> alvin: 13.10, updated
[13:18] <kristal> Welp the remaining constant disk activity seems to be ext4 itself acting weird, jbd2 process
[13:28] <alvin> You don't have any LVM snapshots by any chance?
[13:30] <kristal> alvin: Nope... although I wonder if recently moving my home to  new drive has something to do with it
[13:31] <alvin> Maybe. I was asking because LVM snapshots could show that behaviour. It's caused by the copy-on-write.
[16:35] <Promethes> hi, how to switch sound output when headphones are plugged in?
[16:35] <Promethes> i want to switch audio output to speakers when headphones are plugged in
[16:35] <Promethes> in ms systems i can do it with few clicks
[16:36] <Promethes> how to accoplish this in kubuntu?
[16:36] <wafflejock> Promethes: mine does it by default, not sure how to toggle this behavior
[16:37] <wafflejock> Promethes: also this is true in windows as well
[16:37] <wafflejock> ordinarily the output is switched automatically when a plug is detected
[16:37] <Promethes> yes
[16:38] <Promethes> and automatic switch works, i don't see where i can do this manually
[16:38] <wafflejock> Promethes: you can look into alsamixer and pavucontrol both programs for audio mixing at different levels of the system but not sure that either has that option, of the two I would think maybe pavucontrol
[16:38] <Promethes> eg headphones are plugged in and i want to switch to my big speakers without unplugging headphones
[16:38] <wafflejock> Promethes: I don't think you can do that manually in windows but it doesn't matter anyhow I think pavucontrol may allow it
[16:39] <wafflejock> !alsa
[16:39] <wafflejock> basically ALSA is the advanced linux sound architecture and underlies Pulse Audio or Jack, and I believe Pulse Audio is used by most programs then as a middle man to ALSA for handling sounds... ultimately that depends on  your modules (drives) loaded for your hardware
[16:40] <wafflejock> (drivers*)
[16:41] <Promethes> alsamixer have automute fix, when it is off then sound comes from speakers and headphones
[17:13] <mr-rich> The latest set of updates for Kubuntu 12.04 wants to install icetea ... I have oracle java ... I don't want to install icedtea ... anyway around this?
[17:42] <ovrflw0x> i've to manually do "hciconfig up" to get rid of "No adapters found" message in bluedevil what to do?
[17:47] <genii> ovrflw0x: What device is it?
[17:48] <ovrflw0x> how to find out lspci -v?
[17:48] <genii> ovrflw0x: Yes, that, or else lsusb if it's on the USB bus
[17:49] <ovrflw0x> genii: what should i look for in lscpi -v to find out bluetooth?
[17:50] <genii> ovrflw0x: It's probably best to just pastebin the entire output from lspci. But please use: lspci -nn     ..so that we may see the VENDOR:DEVICE codes also
[17:51] <ovrflw0x> genii: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6480080/ lspci -nn
[17:52] <ovrflw0x> genii: where is the bluetooth in there? i only see intel
[17:53] <genii> ovrflw0x: Must be on the USB bus.Please pastebin the output from: lsusb ...also
[17:53] <genii> Work, away from computer a bit
[17:54] <ovrflw0x> Bus 002 Device 003: ID 174f:1414 Syntek
[18:06] <genii> ovrflw0x: OK, good. What is it you have attached which is not working until you run the hciconfig command? HID stuff like mouse, keyboard, or something else?
[18:14] <ovrflw0x> genii: i've not attached anything
[18:15] <ovrflw0x> it's just that when i go for preferences of bluedevil it says "no adapters found'
[18:17] <genii> ovrflw0x: If it works properly but just not starting up automatically, might want to try putting the hciconfig command in your rc.local file, and see if it properly loads it next boot.
[18:17] <ovrflw0x> genii: is rc.local still status quo? it's systemd's age
[18:19] <ovrflw0x> genii: it's always going to be "hci0" right or will it change on booting
[18:20] <genii> ovrflw0x: Yes, it's still used :)  ... should still come up as hci0 , yes
[18:20] <ovrflw0x> genii: also once i switch to discrete card with "upstart" on boot i can't get back to integrated card by doing "echo DIGD > /sys/kernel/vgaswitcheroo/switch"
[18:21] <genii> Well, that issue I don't know anything aqbout, unfortunately
[18:22] <ovrflw0x> genii: what part of ubuntu deveopment are you involved in?
[18:22] <ovrflw0x> development*
[18:23] <genii> ovrflw0x: I'm not really involved in developing (K)ubuntu, the Ubuntu Canada team I am a part of makes awareness more of it's mandate ( Holding Ubuntu Hours, release parties, etc)
[18:23] <ovrflw0x> k, bbl after rebooting and checking if it works
[18:25] <wolfgang_> n abend
[18:27] <ovrflw0x> now it works, why didn't kubuntu do this by itself - do all laptops have to do this?
[18:27] <ovrflw0x> genii:
[18:28] <genii> ovrflw0x: Not sure why it isn't doing it automatically. Possibly a newer/obscure adapter that it doesn't immediately know how to approach or something.
[18:29] <ovrflw0x> genii: so is this a 'hack' or proper way to do it?
[18:30] <wolfgang_> i am looking to get phpmyadmin worked at ubuntu 13.10, but a get a forbidden error.... someone here who can help?
[18:30] <genii> ovrflw0x: It would be considered a hack. The proper thing is for udev to know about it and start it up properly
[18:30] <ovrflw0x> what does "udev" mean?
[18:31] <ovrflw0x> full form
[18:31] <ovrflw0x> Bus 002 Device 003: ID 174f:1414 Syntek  <-- this is the hardware what would its "udev rule be"?
[18:38] <wolfgang_> hello?
[18:39] <ovrflw0x> wolfgang_: go to #phpmyadmin
[18:43] <wolfgang_> thx
[18:46] <ovrflw0x> genii: ?
[18:47] <ovrflw0x> anyways, nvm later
[21:27] <mr-rich> The latest set of updates for Kubuntu 12.04 wants to install icetea ... I have oracle java ... I don't want to install icedtea ... anyway around this?
[21:31] <jdoles> So... after the latest update I get 'no screens found'.
[21:32] <genii> mr-rich: If your oracle java install properly adjusted the update-alternatives then the update probably wouldn't want icedtea instead. If you do: update-alternatives --list java   ...do you see the oracle version there?
[21:32] <jdoles> I am running an LTS version such that I *don't* need to care about these broken things.
[21:34] <mr-rich> genii: Yes ... Java 6 & 7 are listed
[21:35] <genii> mr-rich: Alternately, just let it install then just reinstall the Oracle java again afterwards
[21:35] <jdoles> mr-rich: or just delete the packakge which caused this mess in the first place.
[21:35] <genii> jdoles: Were you using proprietary drivers for video?
[21:35] <jdoles> genii: no
[21:36] <jdoles> mr-rich: if people can't get their dependencies sorted out, then just delete the package.
[21:36] <jdoles> mr-rich: if nothing of your distribution remains via that method, switch to another distribution or switch operating system in the end.
[21:36] <jdoles> mr-rich: or fix it yourself.
[21:36] <jdoles> In my opinion any bug damages the brand to which the software is affiliated with.
[21:37] <jdoles> In this case, it's Kubuntu which doesn't actually have any reputation.
[21:37] <jdoles> But if the same were to happen on Apple hardware, it would have been fixed within a few days, and heads would have rolled.
[21:39] <genii> If you install non-sanctioned software on an Apple and it breaks then i doubt any heads at apple are going to roll anywhere. They'll just take the machine and make it stock again and give you a lecture about it.
[21:40] <jdoles> genii: the problem is that the basics don't even work on Linux.
[21:41] <jdoles> genii: in this case X.org.
[21:41] <jdoles> Alternatively, some Kubuntu/Ubuntu packager managed to mess up things.
[21:42] <jdoles> 'no screens found' is also a terrible error message.
[21:42] <jdoles> If it would run some other command, it would detect that there is a particular graphics card in it, and that there are multiple screens attached.
[21:43] <genii> jdoles: Anything enlightening in the xorg log files?
[21:43] <jdoles> genii: no
[21:43] <jdoles> genii: dmesg did say 'booting paravirtualized kernel', but I think that's normal.
[21:44] <jdoles> genii: Kernel mode setting setup failed.
[21:44] <jdoles> genii: that seems to be the first error.
[21:44] <genii> Hm.
[21:45] <jdoles> It doesn't say why it has failed or any other basic error reporting.
[21:45] <jdoles> No computer system simply fails at some point.
[21:45] <jdoles> Especially not on one where the CPU is obviously functional.
[21:46] <genii> jdoles: Are you getting splash screen for boot? ( eg: is there a video mode at grub thats working)
[21:47] <rberg_> Hello, I had to sysrq my laptop after unplugging a mini displayport monitor.. ever seen that before? "WARNING: CPU: 2 PID: 1790 at /build/buildd/linux-3.11.0/drivers/gpu/drm/i915/intel_dp.c:2222 intel_dp_link_down+0x1b2/0x1e0 [i915]()"
[21:47] <jdoles> genii: I disabled the splash screen a long time ago.
[21:48] <jdoles> genii: but startx -- :4 doesn't bring up a video mode.
[21:53] <genii> jdoles: Was this a dist-upgrade?
[21:53] <jdoles> genii: no
[21:53] <jdoles> genii: The only working kernel appears to be 3.2.0-20.
[21:54] <jdoles> genii: anything newer and *something* breaks.
[21:55] <genii> rberg_: I think I would report that as a bug against the package xserver-xorg-video-intel at launchpad
[21:55] <jdoles> genii: do you know of a kernel version which does actually work?
[21:55] <genii> jdoles: I'm not surrently running Precise to check
[21:56] <genii> !info linux-image-generic precise
[21:57] <genii> jdoles: As the bot indicates, <IP_ADDRESS> should be the latest available for Precise
[21:57] <rberg_> genii: thats what I was thinking, thanks for the conformation.. I found a few bug reports for fedora all with a 3.11 kernel
[21:57] <jdoles> genii: that's not what I get when I do apt-get install linux-image-generic.
[21:58] <genii> jdoles: There might be a later version available now which has not yet migrated it's way into the bot's database
[21:58] <jdoles> genii: I already see a potential problem.
[21:59] <jdoles> genii: I am using a newer xorg version than standard available in precise (with associated kernel).
[21:59] <jdoles> genii: (only to work around another problem)
[21:59] <jdoles> In short, all versions seem to be broken from my point of view.
[21:59] <jdoles> Great.
[22:00] <jdoles> I installed two minor versions now to see whether one of them will actually work.
[22:06]  * genii hears his Beer O Clock alarm go off and answers the call


[03:33] <jbailey> BOOYAH!
[03:33] <jbailey> doko: One line patch to binutils solved my problem.  No more ld.so.conf hackery required. =)
[05:51] <fabbione> doko: no CD's yet...
[05:54] <fabbione> doko: the net install should work as well as creating chroots
[06:15] <lamont-away> i386 91.13% 5918 of 6494
[06:15] <lamont-away> powerpc 90.50% 5714 of 6314
[06:15] <lamont-away> amd64 89.83% 5633 of 6271
[06:15] <lamont-away> ia64 89.51% 5590 of 6245
[06:15] <lamont-away> hppa 76.41% 4765 of 6236
[06:15] <lamont-away> sparc 74.86% 4695 of 6272
[06:16] <fabbione> ehhehe
[06:16] <fabbione> ya know
[06:17] <fabbione> binutils is doomed on sparc
[06:17] <lamont> fabbione: does that mean you don't remember, or you won't tell me?
[06:24] <fabbione> that hppa is faster? ;)
[06:27] <lamont> fabbione: * lamont-away wonders what fabbione's sparc-solution was to librsvg2 & gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders
[06:27] <fabbione> no i don't remember :(
[06:27] <lamont> sigh
[06:27] <fabbione> it was something to do with a missing directory
[06:27] <lamont> that means work for me.
[06:27] <lamont> during the librsvg2 build, or during install?
[06:28] <fabbione> installing the B-D
[06:28] <fabbione> no .. sorry
[06:28] <fabbione> building..
[06:28] <fabbione> i think..
[06:28] <lamont> ok.  I'll stare at that some
[06:28] <fabbione> that gdk- blabla was searching something in a directory that's not there..
[06:28] <fabbione> or something like that
[06:28] <fabbione> and it was segfaulting for that reason
[06:28] <fabbione> i am sure i told seb
[06:29] <lamont> ah, my case it seems to be spinning on something
[06:29] <fabbione> try to strace a manual call
[06:31] <fabbione> being in holidays and not being able to sleep is a PAIN
[06:33] <lamont> yeah
[06:34] <fabbione> lamont: do you know if all the main arches did complete the c++ transition for universe?
[06:38] <lamont> dunno - infinity was tracking that, I thought
[06:38] <lamont> hppa has it easy - I just turned off the hoary repository
[06:39] <fabbione> yeah i know that :)
[06:39] <fabbione> i am checking the sparc status, but some package versions don't match
[06:39] <fabbione> and either they forgot to transition them
[06:39] <fabbione> or there is no need to transition
[06:40] <lamont> ew
[06:48] <fabbione> hmm it's clearly not completed...
[07:03] <fabbione> lamont: there is a bunch of libs, that either didn't do the transition.. or they don't need it..
[07:03] <fabbione> problem is for you if you did actually build these libs
[07:03] <lamont> neato
[07:04] <fabbione> night lamont
[07:20] <jbailey> make[2] : Entering directory `/tmp/gcc-3.4/gcc-3.4-3.4.4/build/gcc'
[07:20] <jbailey> make[2] : *** No rule to make target `gnatlib-shared'.  Stop.
[07:20] <jbailey> Hmm
[07:30] <fabbione> sounds like the moon ray hitting the console cable during an eclipse :)
[07:30] <jbailey> *lol*
[07:30] <jbailey> Actually, I don't have the right version of gnat installed.
[07:30] <jbailey> But morgue.ubuntu.com seems to be broken.
[07:30] <jbailey> All the directories are empty.
[07:31] <fabbione> i told elmo a while ago about morgue
[07:31] <fabbione> i have the nasty feeling that we lost it
[07:31] <jbailey> That would be sad.
[07:31] <jbailey> It'll make doing this biarch toolchain quite a bit harder.
[07:53] <jbailey>  gnatgcc -c conftest.adb
[07:53] <jbailey> gnatgcc: installation problem, cannot exec `gnat1': No such file or directory
[07:53] <jbailey> Yup, that'd be my problem.
[07:53] <jbailey> *sigh*
[07:56] <doko_> which gnat package is installed?
[07:57] <doko> jabiley: ^^^
[07:57] <doko> jbailey: ^^^
[07:58] <jbailey> doko: I had the current gcc-3.4 one and it gave that error.  I managed to downgrade to the one at http://morgue.ubuntu.com/2005-04-03/ and it seems to work.
[07:58] <jbailey> So I'm starting a new build.  I'll let you know in a couple of hours.
[07:59] <jbailey> (Seems to work with a simple ada test now)
[08:00] <jbailey> Ooo!  It's already made the ada directory
[08:00] <jbailey> Good, if it's going to fail, it will do so in a different place next time. =)
[08:03] <jbailey> doko: BTW, I've posted the new diff at http://www.raspberryginger.com/jbailey/gcc-3.4_3.4.4-6ubuntu3.diff.gz
[08:04] <jbailey> Since I have various bits of gcc and amd64-libs and such half installed, apt won't work well enough for me to install interdiff into the chroot and Angie's waiting for me.
[08:04] <jbailey> But if you have time for a review that would be lovely, otherwise I'm pretty certain that I got all the bits that I need.
[08:05] <doko> I'll have a look, but which gnat package is installed? gnat-3.4 ?
[08:05] <jbailey> ii  gnat-3.4       3.4.3-9ubuntu3 The GNU Ada compiler
[08:05] <jbailey> (which works)(
[08:05] <doko> ok
[08:05] <jbailey> angie is tapping her foot at me, gotta run. =)
[08:06] <doko> run!
[09:16] <jbailey> I'm back.  It looks like it's runing make check fine.
[09:56] <jbailey>                 [09:56] <jbailey> # of tests                4946
[09:56] <jbailey> # of expected passes      4939
[09:56] <jbailey> # of unexpected failures  6
[09:56] <jbailey> # of unsupported tests    1
[09:56] <jbailey> Should I worry about the FAILs at all?
[09:56] <jbailey> (Still mostly afk, just pasting things here occasionally)
[10:17] <jbailey> Ooo Ooo Ooo debhelper stuff!
[10:20] <jbailey> Yay!  I have a prompt!
[10:22] <jbailey> Woot, it works.
[10:22] <jbailey> Hmm.
[10:23] <jbailey> Now I need to do gcc-4 I guess, to get my lib64gcc1
[10:57] <doko> jbailey: yes, that one should be easy


 Looking for something that looks nice and is easy to use out of the box.
 I've been out of the desktop for a while.
 Gnome 3
 Plasma 5
 I'm pretty drawn to the pantheon desktop
 KDE seems scary
 And GNOME -- any recommended addons/gtk themes?
 KDE is nice looking at times, no idea how to really use it tho
 Just use it simple
 Is there a decent tut out there enumerating all the features?
 With KDE aside from point and click I feel like I'm stuck in first gear lol
 All the dif view types on the desktop, plasma widget things, bar behavior
 :O
 You on Kubuntu?
 I am
 On my desktop and laptop
 17.04 with testing stuff
 Was thinking LTS something on my desktop
 Cause I need stuff to just work. lol
 Well 16.04 has Plasma 5.8 with our backporta
 "backportw
 backports
 How is 16.04 with nvidia driver releases?
 Fairly recent? Or do I need a PPA?
 I use a PPA either way
 I guess I'll be ok.
 I tend to only game for 5 mins once a blue moon anyway.
 The driver PPA has the latest stuff and works well
 Oh nice. ok :D
 God SSD's are getting cheap. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01B4NUKME/?tag=pcpapi-20
 Now I might as well upgrade to an SSD for some sweet sweet new OS action :D
 Pokemon, now powered by Debian
 https://pastebin.adamoutler.com/5tQn
 poke trap
[13:30] <maxolasersquad> Abrerr, FWIW I had to use the PPA for the nVidia GTX 1050.
[13:42] <maxolasersquad> And it seems to be working great.
 https://www.engadget.com/2017/02/22/valve-launches-steamvr-support-for-linux/
 @ahoneybun, I thought it was hot lingerie 6.9
 I'm finally trying ubuntu for first time.....big procrastinator, i know. But i dunno how to even start it from my usb stick. Lol
 @whisperit2me, I've forgotten everything i learned about how to start it.
 Drive labeled: … Ubuntu 16.04 LTS amd64
 Well you're in the right place, buddy
 @whisperit2me - what sort of computer do you have again? It has been a while
 I'm a girl. 😬
 @KMyers, Windows 7, acer netboik
 Well, you're in the right place, buddette
 @whisperit2me - he calls everyone buddy
 or that
 Lol
 Usually you can turn on the computer while hammering F12, F11, F10, F9, and F8 to get a boot device prompt.
 In your case, you will need to power down your computer. Insert the flash drive and tap on either Exc or F12 a few times when turning your computer back on. It should being up a One Time Boot menu, select the flash drive
 Acers are normally F12 but it can vary a bit
 @AdamOutler, Oh, i cant use it while comp is on?
 If you get into virtualization.  I think they discontinued the WUBI project which installed from inside windows.
 @whisperit2me, You can but would need to install it on a Virtual Machine such as Virtual Box https://www.virtualbox.org/
 R the two ways equally secure for things i don't wanna leave a trace anywhere?
 If you go the VirtualBox route, you will need to download the Ubuntu ISO and select it as the boot device. The process is pretty straight forward as there is a wizard.
 Boot from the USB device.  Virtualization would require software installation.
 @whisperit2me, The live boot is the most secure option
 @KMyers, 👍😉
 @KMyers, As the computer is powered off between switching Operating Systems, the RAM contents are essentially dumped between boots
 So anything i do in the ubuntu via usb stick will be traceable only inside the usb stick?
 It is possible to do RAM forensics but not too easy
 @whisperit2me, That is correct, unless you choose to "Install" Ubuntu to the hard disk or mount your hard disk. Otherwise no trace is left on the device or the flash drive of what happened in the session
 @whisperit2me, So ppl can get info about wut i do if they get my  usb stick?
 @whisperit2me, Nothing, everything you do is saved into a RAMDisk which is purged when your computer is powered down
 At worse, they would be able to boot into your Ubuntu disk and see a fresh session
 @KMyers, Or thr flash drive????? Really??
 No.  Mounting hard disks does leave a tracable signature, and connecting to a network will cause a DHCP event, and anything you put on the target computer will remain.  You stick to just using your USB stick and it should be fine though.
 Can i save apps in my flash stick ubuntu? To use in my ubuntu?
 Yes
 @whisperit2me, Yes, but that can get a bit more complicated. Ubuntu by default has quite a large number of applications pre-installed. Anything specific you need?
 @KMyers, Truecrypt, bitcoin app
 @whisperit2me, Your best option then would be to install Ubuntu to the Flash drive and encrypt the installation with a strong password/key. This would allow you to write changes to the flash drive but does land the risk of someone with that encryption key to access your data
 @KMyers, Otherwise i cant add apps to it?
 @whisperit2me, Not easily, at least without creating a custom respin
 @AdamOutler - https://www.amazon.com/Dell-UltraSharp-PXF79-34-Inch-LED-Lit/dp/B00PXYRMPE/ref=as_li_ss_tl?&linkCode=ll1&tag=tcz-20&linkId=f883cf5e41d2539f5e761be22a2b2843
 @KMyers, What is a respin?
 Just a custom build ("spin" is a term some use as a replacement for "building a new release"
 @KMyers, Very similar to mine, for a similar price.
 @KMyers  the USB drives can apt-get install to a persistent file.  This is standard depending on the install method.
 If it was DD'd then no. It's a CD filesystem..  but win32 disk creator something generates a persistent file.
 @AdamOutler, Correct, but based on what she is asking, she does not want persistent changes. So she would need to apt-get install the files on each boot
 @KMyers, I need to install truecrypt on each boot everytime?
 It depends on how the disk was created @whisperit2me
 @whisperit2me - If you can shoot me over a a list of the applications you need installed, I may be able to set up some time to make a custom live boot this weekend.
 Ok im just gonna boot it first and play around first before i get into details.
 @whisperit2me, OK. Then try it with the instructions I posted earlier to see if you like it
 @KMyers, Ok thx. Lemme try this out first. My first time. 😬
 @KMyers  wtf is going on here?  Why not have her look at the disk and determine if it has persistence?  Boot into it, apt install, reboot, check if changes exist.
 @AdamOutler, That's wut i was gonna try first.
 @AdamOutler, @whisperit2me has a unique use case that she explained a few months ago. So this is a bit of carry over. She essentially wants something that leaves no trace of what happened on the flash drive or computer
 BTW @AdamOutler - Look at this file in my failing cabinet
 It is not a backup of my computer, rather a backup computer I can use if needed
 @KMyers, U have such good memory. 😳
 sorry @KMyers, too late for excuses https://plus.google.com/u/0/+AdamOutler/posts/RCbFv2CwPmw
 @AdamOutler, Jokes on you, responded
 You could always get the flash drive just how you want it, then do "sudo su", then "crontab -e", and add the following line to the bottom of the crontab  "@reboot mount -o remount,ro /"
 That would cause the computer to remount the root partition as read only on each reboot.
 it would ensure no changes could happen.
 Certain apps would fail though.


[03:01] <holstein> hey guys
[03:02] <holstein> i am going to be around in the AM if you guys would like to squeak out an independance day newsletter :)
[04:24] <nhandler> holstein: Yep. I still hope to get an issue out the door. We have a lot to do (see the gdoc), but I'll try and make some time to polish off some of the sections and get it published
[05:46] <holstein> nhandler: yeah... thanks for adding that there, i'll see what i can do of that
[05:46] <holstein> i know i can summarize :)
[18:09] <holstein> nhandler: you're not sumarizing right now are you?
[18:09] <holstein> i see you on the 'now editing' list
[18:09] <holstein> i put "holstein" in the articles im working on
[18:09] <nhandler> holstein: I just turned on the computer. I'm not writing any summaries right this minute though (just have it open in a tab)
[18:11] <holstein> nhandler: cool... just making sure we were not doubling efforts
[18:56] <holstein> nhandler: OK.. heads up
[18:56] <holstein> i stacked the news a bit
[18:57] <holstein> i did a blog article about my CD made in ubuntustudio and put it up there
[18:57] <holstein> if thats *not* cool, take it out
[18:58] <holstein> otherwise, the other articles are summarized, and im out for brunch
[18:58] <holstein> i should have time before my gig later to do a bit more if needed
[21:08] <NRWlion> aloha!
[22:20] <holstein> the power is out here and i need to shut down
[22:20] <holstein> but i did some work in there nhandler
[22:20] <holstein> BBL
[22:21] <holstein> NM... i thought i was going to have to shut everything down... i think its ok
[22:31] <nhandler> holstein: Glad to hear that. I'm doing some work on some other sections right now. This is probably going to be a very late night release (my time)
[22:32] <NRWlion> nhandler: hi there hope you got my pm
[22:32] <holstein> nhandler: im going to be busy for about 5 or 5 hours
[22:32] <holstein> then, i'll be back in
[22:32] <nhandler> We need to also decide on a standardized start/end date range for UWN.
[22:33] <nhandler> NRWlion: Yep, I got it. Thanks
[22:33] <holstein> nhandler: OH... i didnt think about that either
[22:33] <holstein> when i was grabbing new stuff
[22:33] <nhandler> We also need to update the template since I merged pleia2_'s branch into lp:uwn
[22:58] <nhandler> Help moving summaries from the gdoc to the wiki would also be appreciated
[22:59] <NRWlion> nhandler: how much is it?
[22:59] <NRWlion> i was planning to shut down my office but 30 mins i could give you
[23:11] <NRWlion> nhandler: couldnt find the links!
[23:30] <NRWlion> gn8
[23:53] <holstein> nhandler: my power did actually go down... i'll check in later though, and i'll look at the google doc if you want to put some more tasks in...


[10:29] <janimo> wgrant, there's no way to cancel a running build from LP right?
[10:32] <wgrant> janimo: Pretty much correct.
[10:32] <wgrant> Not in any clean way that doesn't make lamont cry and leave the builder dead.
[11:34] <lamont> janimo: last I remember the way it worked from lp was that as soon as the build finished naturally, the builder was marked dead
[11:35] <lamont> this doesn't so much cancel the build (though lp ignores the results), as the builder
[11:58] <janimo> lamont, but no way to programatically cancel a running build, like there is a retry for a failed one.
[12:00] <lamont> correct
[12:00] <lamont> the program there is "poke a GSA"
[15:17] <idnar> deryck: my commercial project seems to have vanished off Launchpad; how do I find out what's going on?
[15:23] <deryck> idnar, hmmm, good question.  maybe mrevell or bac can help you?
[15:23] <mrevell> Hey idnar, what's the project name?
[15:23] <idnar> mrevell: fusionapp
[15:23]  * mrevell looks
[15:25] <bac> idnar: your subscription expired.  you should've gotten email a while back
[15:27] <bac> idnar: we can reactivate the project for you, but you'll need to purchase another 1 year subscription
[15:27] <idnar> that's fine; can't find any email regarding the matter, though, so that must have gotten lost somewhere
[15:28] <bac> idnar: mrevell seems to have taken care of it.  sorry for the inconvenience.
[16:00] <kamal> hi deryck or other launchpadders...  This one bug page *always* yields a "Timeout error" for me:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libx11/+bug/507062
[16:00] <kamal> this has been the case for many weeks.   other launchpad bug pages work fine (generally).    what's up with that one?
[16:04] <abentley> deryck: I relieve you.
[16:04] <deryck> abentley, thanks!
[18:07] <lfaraone> Would it be sensible to have Google Chrome include Launchpad.net on the certificate pinning list?
[19:08] <deryck> abentley, I've done an hour on interrupt duties.  I'll also spend some time clearing out the project review queue before I EOD.
[19:08] <deryck> but I'm doing now and will catch that right at the end of the day ;)
[19:08] <deryck> s/doing/coding/
[19:08] <abentley> deryck: cool.
[19:37] <Sweetshark> https://launchpad.net/df-libreoffice/+packages <= how do i get _rid_ of these wrong "links to ubuntu package"? I have searched all over the place and must be blind ...
[19:39] <Sweetshark> (i.e. libreoffice-3-4 series is of course oneiric, and -3-3 is natty)
[19:56] <yofel> jelmer: am I doing something wrong in particular? https://code.launchpad.net/~neon/kdelibs/4.7
[20:11] <dobey> Sweetshark: you mean how they're all linked to trunk?
[20:12] <dobey> Sweetshark: ah lovely, looks like libreoffice is hitting the weird permissions bug in lp
[20:31] <soren> What would happen if a build on amd64 resulted in an Arch: all file?
[20:32] <soren> wgrant: ^
[22:18] <slangasek> Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server.  Try reloading this page in a minute or two. If the problem persists, let us know in the #launchpad IRC channel on Freenode.
[22:18] <slangasek> awoooga
[22:18] <broder> yeah, getting the same thing
[22:18] <broder> was just about to ask about it :)
[22:19] <broder> and we're back
[23:21] <wgrant> soren: It'll upload, but if any other build also builds that file then only the first one will upload.


[00:03] <philipballew> Darael, hello
[00:07] <Darael> Hi.
[00:07] <Darael> How goes it?
[00:07] <philipballew> Darael, really well. Yourself?
[00:08] <Darael> Been worse.