 Hi. I did a "remastersys" of my system. But when I boot the CD, it loads the "ubuntu screen", but then only shows me a prompt where I cannot type anything... Can you pls help me?
[22:58] <rekusha> dlee - hi. i'm have 2 hdd. &1 in ntfs. how i'm can mount this disk to ubuntu?
[22:58] <dlee> if the hdd is internal, then ubuntu should have automatically detected the hdd
[22:59] <rekusha> dont detekt
[22:59] <dlee> there should be an icon that shows the hdd on the desktop, or in the file system browser
[22:59] <dlee> are you using ubuntu or kubuntu?
[23:00] <rekusha> some time ago i'm find commands like "mount /.../sdb1 /..../d/" &some pdrameterd....
[23:00] <thomas> anyone for the livecd?
[23:00] <rekusha> use kubuntu
[23:02] <raul> ola
[23:02] <engineer> ola
[23:02] <rekusha> & ???
[23:07] <Coggz> heyo
[23:10] <rekusha> any one can say how i can mount ntfs in ubuntu???
[23:11] <rekusha> auto deteckt don't work (
[23:11] <Coggz> !ntfs
[23:11] <Coggz> !ntfs-3g
[23:11] <Coggz> does that help rekusha?
[23:12] <redo> Hello everyone!
[23:12] <Coggz> hi
[23:13] <redo> I just upgraded my memory and Kubuntu would not start up now...
[23:13] <redo> I think, that the problem is Kubuntu specific, because neither Windows XP nor Gentoo live cd have problems with starting up
[23:14] <Coggz> hmm... do you see a boot screen (post)
[23:14] <redo> but Kubuntu from my harddisk and from live cd hang up
[23:14] <perihan> hello
[23:14] <perihan> I'm new user in kubuntu
[23:14] <redo> Yes, I do. Kubuntu hangs up at the line "Preparing restricted drivers"
[23:14] <rekusha> i'm have ntfs-3g. but i'm don't se my disk d (ntfs - with out errors)
[23:15] <Coggz> ah, how much ram do you have before and after redo?
[23:15] <Coggz> hi perihan
[23:15] <perihan> I think i got a virus in wine
[23:15] <Coggz> rekusha: try reinstalling
[23:15] <perihan> although I unistall it using adept
[23:15] <Coggz> perihan: oh dear... lol... i didn't think you could!
[23:15] <Coggz> perihan: ok, you need to do a complete removal in Synaptic
[23:16] <perihan> how can i do this
[23:16] <Coggz> perihan: in adept find 'Synaptic'
[23:16] <rekusha> Coggz: reinstaling twise & reinstal system... have more ideas?
[23:16] <perihan> yeah
[23:16] <redo> My system settings are: Abit AX8, AMD Athlon 64; memory before 512 and after upgrading 1.5 GB (added 1GB Apace memory module)
[23:16] <Coggz> rekusha: hmm not sure, ask in #ubuntu
[23:16] <Coggz> perihan: install synaptic
[23:17] <Coggz> redo: 1 moment
[23:17] <perihan> ok
[23:17] <perihan> it is not istalled me
[23:17] <Coggz> install it perihan
[23:17] <perihan> ok
[23:18] <perihan> Coggzy : Then I use synaptic for unistall wine, is it true?
[23:18] <perihan> now I'm installing
[23:19] <Coggz> yes, but do a complete removal. that will delete the virtual C:\ drive too perihan
[23:19] <engineer> aptitude remove wine
[23:21] <perihan> how can I delete virtual C:\ drive (Sorry my stupid questions I'm a newbee )
[23:21] <Coggz> redo: as a precaution run a ram test. When grub bootloader shows, press enter (i think) choose 'Memtest86+' and run it for a bit
[23:21] <Coggz> perihan: complete removal should do it
[23:23] <jsubl2__> !debug
[23:24] <Coggz> ok rekusha
[23:25] <Coggz> perihan: is that sorting the problem?
[23:25] <redo> Thanks, Coggz. I tried some tests (first 5) with only the new added module, and there were no errors... I will try to use the first test for both modules together now.
[23:26] <HardDrago> Redo use the the big module in slot 1
[23:27] <HardDrago> Hi f@lks
[23:27] <Coggz> hi HardDrago
[23:27] <HardDrago> Hi coggz
[23:27] <perihan> Coggz: I used snaptic for uninstalling wine, and chosed complete removal but I still see wine in my menu
[23:28] <perihan> start-up menu
[23:28] <perihan> does it something wrong?
[23:28] <HardDrago> do u know how to migrate an apl VB+SQL to Linux?
[23:28] <perihan> or should I also restart computer
[23:28] <Coggz> perihan: ya, try that
[23:31] <Coggz> HardDrago: SQL, more than likely. VB,not sure about that
[23:31] <HardDrago> yeap the front end is the big problem
[23:31] <Coggz> HardDrago: ah, no basic yes, but the visual no as it is a windows specific program
[23:32] <perihan> hello
[23:32] <Coggz> HardDrago: try GTK or QT for frontends...
[23:32] <Coggz> perihan: hi again
[23:32] <perihan> i restarted my computer but wine is still there
[23:32] <perihan> nothing change
[23:32] <HardDrago> some Graphic front end could use with MySql?
[23:33] <Coggz> perihan: ok. Open konquerer/dolphin (any file browser)
[23:33] <Coggz> HardDrago: you could just use PHP/HTML/CSS - very easy and extremnely flexible...
[23:34] <HardDrago> by the way Kubuntu is amazing the problem is the most r thinkimg like it was windows
[23:34] <perihan> i opned dolphin
[23:34] <Coggz> perihan: find ~/.wine/drive_c (you need to be able to see hidden files)
[23:34] <Coggz> HardDrago: hmm. i don't get what that meant... but anyway... lol
[23:35] <repbolivar> hola
[23:35] <repbolivar> alguen que hable español
[23:35] <HardDrago> hola repbolivar
[23:35] <repbolivar> mira soy nuevo usando kubuntu y queria ver si me poddrianayudar
[23:36] <HardDrago> suelta el problema
[23:36] <Coggz> repbolivar: hola mi amigo, utiliizo #ubuntu-es por favor
[23:36] <perihan> there is nothing like ~/.wine/drive_c
[23:37] <Coggz> sorry, .wine/drive_c (ignore ~/)
[23:37] <Coggz> !es > repbolivar
[23:37] <repbolivar> mira tengo la ultima version y instale el firefox pero las presentaciones flsh no se abren automaticamente
[23:37] <Coggz> !es : repbolivar
[23:37] <HardDrago> necesitas instalar los plugins de flash
[23:38] <Coggz> repbolivar: www.adobe.com/flashplayer
[23:38] <repbolivar> ya lo ice pero de todas maneras tengo que darle click ensima para que arranque
[23:38] <repbolivar> no inicia automaticamente
[23:38] <Coggz> perihan: install wine again... sounds silly but please try
[23:39] <helpthisnoobie> i have a problem
[23:39] <HardDrago> alguna direccion especifica?
[23:39] <perihan> ok with synaptic or adept?
[23:39] <Coggz> synaptic perihan
[23:39] <helpthisnoobie> for some reason when i minimize my windows they are not shown in the task bar
[23:39] <perihan> ok
[23:40] <helpthisnoobie> and the battery info for my laptop is also not shown
[23:40] <Coggz> helpthisnoobie: are you on the same desktop?
[23:40] <repbolivar> ya lo ice pero de todas maneras tengo que darle click ensima para que arranque
[23:40] <perihan> Coggz : I installed wine again
[23:41] <Coggz> helpthisnoobie: is there a taskbar at the bottom
[23:41] <Coggz> perihan: has .wine/drive_c appeared now?
[23:41] <HardDrago> puedes aclarar que es darle click nuevamente?
[23:41] <helpthisnoobie> yeah im on the same desktop and the taskbar is showing
[23:42] <Coggz> helpthisnoobie: ok, bare with me one moment...
[23:42] <helpthisnoobie> ok thanx.
[23:42] <perihan> coggzy: searching right now
[23:42] <sgodsell> drive_c is controlled by winecfg
[23:43] <sgodsell> if you want to start fresh just delete .wine directory
[23:43] <perihan> ok
[23:43] <sgodsell> .wine and all the files under .wine will be automatically created again
[23:44] <perihan> sgodsell: will I  delete .wine directory after unistalling it ?
[23:44] <sgodsell> use winecfg add or remove drives
[23:44] <sgodsell> well what have you installed under wine?
[23:45] <helpthisnoobie> i lost a lot of little things on this task bar that were originally here.....I must've removed them somehow
[23:45] <perihan> the program called secure eMule
[23:45] <helpthisnoobie> I just not sure how I did it and how to get them back
[23:45] <sgodsell> is that the only program you have right now?
[23:45] <perihan> i have some small programs in wine
[23:45] <Coggz> helpthisnoobie: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=342562 try that...
[23:45] <perihan> but it isn't problem I can install again when I install wine again
[23:46] <helpthisnoobie> let me check it out
[23:46] <Coggz> helpthisnoobie: great
[23:46] <sgodsell> well if you kill the .wine directory then you kill all the installed programs under wine as well, so it is up to you.
[23:46] <perihan> ok
[23:46] <sgodsell> you don't have to install wine again
[23:46] <sgodsell> you just run wine
[23:47] <sgodsell> and it will create the .wine directory and all the default files for you
[23:47] <perihan> sgodsell : does deleting cause any problem
[23:47] <sgodsell> no
[23:47] <perihan> ok i will try now
[23:47] <sgodsell> all windows programs are installed inside the .wine directory
[23:47] <sgodsell> under you home
[23:47] <sgodsell> your
[23:48] <HardDrago> perihan try to use amule instead of emule
[23:48] <HardDrago> wine is intended to be helpful whe u dont have it in linux
[23:49] <helpthisnoobie> ok i dont have the option of add to panel
[23:50] <helpthisnoobie> or anything about a notification area
[23:50] <perihan> sgodsell : I deleted .wine
[23:50] <perihan> now should I also restart computer
[23:50] <perihan> I just checked startup menu
[23:51] <Coggz> helpthisnoobie: when you right click on the bar, choose add panel > panel
[23:51] <perihan> and I saw nothing change in wine
[23:51] <sgodsell> no need to restart the computer
[23:51] <perihan> but the link of virus  program is still there
[23:51] <sgodsell> wine your_windows_program.exe
[23:52] <perihan> Yeah I know
[23:52] <perihan> this virus could not affect linux
[23:52] <sgodsell> perihan, on your desktop?
[23:52] <helpthisnoobie> it added a panel above the one i already have
[23:52] <sgodsell> virus?
[23:52] <Kalamarencu> hello anyone knows what MSI Interrupt stands for here? [291086.304789] 0000:02:00.0: eth0: MSI interrupt test failed!
[23:52] <Kalamarencu> [291086.304836] 0000:02:00.0: eth0: MSI interrupt test failed, using legacy interrupt.
[23:52] <Kalamarencu> [291086.306596] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready
[23:52] <sgodsell> did I miss something?
[23:53] <Coggz> helpthisnoobie: can you see minimized apps now?
[23:53] <perihan> i just try to say that sometimes vine tries to open wine explorer and white exporer appear
[23:53] <Kalamarencu> anyone knows why'd I get an error message fpr the MSI interrupt when trying to install the Network adapter?
[23:53] <Coggz> sgodsell: yes, perihan has a virus in wine. He wants rid of it.
[23:53] <helpthisnoobie> i can minimize but they dont appear in either panel
[23:54] <Coggz> Kalamarencu: is your device made by MSI?
[23:54] <sgodsell> well then for sure kill .wine
[23:54] <Coggz> helpthisnoobie: ok...
[23:54] <perihan> I cannot unistall wine and I cannot get rid of this virus
[23:54] <Coggz> remove that panel then helpthisnoobie
[23:54] <perihan> how can i kill wine
[23:54] <engineer> killall wine
[23:54] <Kalamarencu> Coggz, no it is an Intel Pro 1000 PT network adapter
[23:54] <helpthisnoobie> ok i removed it
[23:54] <perihan> i deleted .wine folder
[23:54] <sgodsell> well you just killed .wine right
[23:55] <Coggz> Kalamarencu: ah
[23:55] <perihan> ok but nothing change
[23:55] <sgodsell> but that is your windows run and install environment
[23:55] <sgodsell> if it is a windows virus then it can't do anything now
[23:55] <Coggz> perihan: delete the .wine, then uninstall completely win with synaptic
[23:55] <Coggz> perihan: if in doubt...
[23:56] <perihan> Coggzy : ok unistall wine again
[23:57] <perihan> Coggz: i unistalled wine again
[23:58] <cpk1> can you use the kontact calender to do things like put in your class scedule and stuff? so I guess in other words a weekly recurring schedule
[23:59] <cpk1> yes, you can =)


[00:51] <micahg> OvenWerks: now is good :)
[02:00] <OvenWerks> micahg: ok.
[02:08] <OvenWerks> micahg: did I miss you?
[02:13] <micahg> no
[02:16] <OvenWerks> ok
[02:40] <holstein> !list
[02:41] <holstein> i have someone in PM asking me how to search users for files ;)
[02:41] <holstein> i should have /q'd the bot..
[07:05] <cub> OvenWerks, I'm dropping the copyright thing as per zequence's latest mail.
[07:48] <zequence> cub: you're welcome to work at it. I'd be happy to assist
[07:48] <zequence> gotta go. bbl
[07:49] <cub> I'd like to, but would probably take a little longer as I need to learn what to do.
[07:50] <zequence> cub: This would be a good start https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/SetupDeveloperEnvironment
[07:52] <cub> yes I have those set up, except for git.
[08:10] <smartboyhw> zequence, let others to try:P
[08:11] <cub> Do or do not. There is no try. ;)
[08:11] <smartboyhw> cub, well, try:P
[08:11] <smartboyhw> This is your first attempt, after all
[08:13] <smartboyhw> Hey ttoine :)
[08:16] <ttoine> salut
[08:16] <ttoine> hum
[08:16] <ttoine> hello smartboyhw
[08:17] <smartboyhw> :_
[08:17] <smartboyhw> ;)
[08:34] <smartboyhw> cub, which package are you going to help with?
[08:37] <cub> I don't know yet. I need to read up on the debian copyright page first, which won't happen until lunchtime in a couple of hours since I'm back at work
[08:54] <zequence> ttoine: hi
[08:55] <zequence> ttoine: I got the t-shirt. Looks very good. Going to get the cup soon
[08:55] <zequence> ttoine: The new cup you did, I feel the CoF is too low. Is it not possible to center it?
[08:56] <zequence> ttoine: Also, I think it would be good (as you probably read from a previous quote) if we offered one cheaper alternative for the t-shirts
[08:57] <zequence> About sizes: I got the smallest one, medium. And though I'm skinny, it would seem there are smaller people around than me (180cm), but you said there are no smaller sizes for that model?
[09:01] <zequence> cub: Do you have resources for learning Debian packaging?
[09:01] <zequence> cub: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/
[09:01] <zequence> you can read about the files there
[09:01] <zequence> Also this http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/
[09:02] <zequence> There's https://wiki.debian.org/Packaging
[09:02] <zequence> ..which includes previous links
[09:05] <cub> zequence, I got some of the links from smartboyhw and OvenWerks  yesterday. I have not had a chance to read through them all yet though
[09:07] <zequence> cub: Since you're just focusing on a few details, it shouldn't be much work learning about it. Don't know about possible problems in our copyright files though, but I'm sure it's not much of a problem
[09:07] <cub> yeah, I'm just going to look at the copyright to start out with
[09:11] <ttoine> zequence, it is actually centered automatically on the printing zone. I will try to make it manually
[09:12] <ttoine> zequence, yes, for the organic cotton shirt, and most of male shirt, the smallest is M
[09:12] <ttoine> I will see if I can do a cheap one, with basic shirt quality
[09:13] <ttoine> by the way, it is good to have your feedback that the shirt you get is good stuff. How the printing looks like ?
[09:22] <zequence> ttoine: The printing is very good. I recognize this modern printing quality. I have t-shirts my friend had made with the same style of printing, and it is quite durable
[09:24] <smartboyhw> zequence, how do you suppose we can do all testcases mentioned in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bugs?field.tag=ubuntu-studio ?
[09:24] <smartboyhw> 57 oh god
[09:25] <knome> smartboyhw, how do you think xubuntu did all the testcases?
[09:25] <knome> smartboyhw, call for testcase writers.
[09:25] <ttoine> zequence, this is digital printing, not serigraphy like traditional printed shirt in big quantities. Glad to know this is fine too
[09:26] <smartboyhw> knome, I know, but how to ask:P
[09:26] <smartboyhw> Since Xubuntu got more testers than us
[09:26] <knome> smartboyhw, send an email to your mailing lists?
[09:26] <knome> that's a false assumption
[09:26] <smartboyhw> knome, that's a true assumption.
[09:26] <ttoine> zequence, would you have a picture of the shirt, so maybe we can put an article about the shop on the blog ?
[09:26] <knome> besides, the testcase writers aren't necessarily testers
[09:27] <smartboyhw> knome, ok...
[09:28] <smartboyhw> zequence, can you write the email to the mailing list?
[09:28] <zequence> ttoine: Yes, it would be good to blog about it. We should have articles on all our sites, and I will blog about it too myself
[09:28] <zequence> smartboyhw: Yes. Been very busy lately
[09:28] <zequence> smartboyhw: The bug reports have descriptions on how to do them
[09:28] <smartboyhw> zequence, OK:0
[09:28] <zequence> I was actually not aware of these bugs before
[09:28] <zequence> very good they exist
[09:28] <smartboyhw> zequence, yeah sure:)
[09:29] <zequence> we should form a simple routine on how to deal with them in our development cykle
[09:29] <zequence> cycle*
[09:29] <zequence> I'll add a page about it on our wiki under testing
[09:29] <zequence> and then write a mail about it on the list
[09:31] <zequence> knome: How do you deal with these test cases?
[09:31] <knome> zequence, in what sense?
[09:31] <zequence> Ah, sorry I just read what you wrote
[09:31] <smartboyhw> Um, we put it in packages.qa.ubuntu.com
[09:31] <knome> :)
[09:31] <zequence> so, each application needs its own testcase
[09:31] <knome> yup
[09:31] <smartboyhw> zequence, yes.
[09:33] <zequence> I think we should focus on the most important applications. It sometimes happens a package is missing a build dependency, and then a whole feature is not functional
[09:33] <zequence> the people who write the tests need to know what to look for
[09:33] <zequence> ..functionality wise for each application
[09:34] <zequence> smartboyhw: Well, there you have it, thanks to knome's advice :)
[09:35] <knome> np. and feel free to ask again (though i will be mostly gone before mon)
[09:35] <zequence> knome: No one in Xubuntu team going to debconf?
[09:36] <knome> i don't think so
[09:36] <smartboyhw> zequence, go and learn a lot:0
[09:36] <smartboyhw> Should be :) sorry:P
[09:47] <smartboyhw> zequence, the power of smartphones: http://smartboyhwubuntu.wordpress.com/2013/08/07/ubuntu-edge-target-too-high-but-a-phone-that-one-will-want/
[09:47] <smartboyhw> Actually, phablets;P
[09:52] <zequence> pc-phablet
[09:52] <smartboyhw> zequence, yeah
[09:52] <smartboyhw> zequence, I mean, the bottom part is the key of my blog post:p
[09:53] <zequence> Looks like they will have trouble reaching their goal, but maybe they have a few aces in their pocket, who knows
[09:53] <zequence> just got the mug from the post. opening the package now
[09:54] <knome> zequence, i was thinking maybe mark just pops in on the last day.
[09:55] <zequence> knome: That was my thought as well :)
[09:55] <zequence> those phones will need to be sold nevertheless, and I'm sure they will be
[09:56] <knome> well if they have them
[09:56] <ttoine> zequence, I took some time to fix the mug and create a basic and cheap t-shirt. I added description to the products, too.
[09:56] <zequence> ttoine: Just took a look at the mug
[09:56] <zequence> ttoine: The CoF doesn't look round, more like an egg :P
[09:56] <cub> zequence, most important, how much coffee can the mug contain?
[09:57] <ttoine> zequence, this is the rendering. don't forget that the mug is not flat
[09:57] <zequence> not really an egg, but not perfectly round
[09:57] <ttoine> oh, you mean the true mug ? you get it ?
[09:57] <zequence> ttoine: Maybe we should make it wider. Perhaps it is common to do that for mugs?
[09:57] <zequence> ttoine: Yes, I have the mug in my hand right now
[09:57] <ttoine> great
[09:58] <zequence> let me measure
[09:58] <ttoine> I think there may be a problem with the rendering of spreadshirt for non flat products like the mug
[09:58] <cub> I have a Starbucks mug and their logo look a bit egg-shaped too
[10:00] <ttoine> maybe it is just a visual impression
[10:00] <zequence> The measurements are correct. About 6cm across in any direction, but, it looks just a little off to the eye
[10:00] <ttoine> because it is not flat
[10:00] <cub> exactly
[10:00] <ttoine> zequence, is the printing good ?
[10:01] <cub> I just sketched the starbucks mug logo to a paper…and when flat it looks normal. :D
[10:01] <knome> re: rendering logos: i would probably just let it render a bit weird than trying to modify the original art; it's both really hard to get it absolutely right and it will look weird if somebody starts thinking about it
[10:01] <cub> it would also only look right when looked at the exact angle
[10:01] <cub> which you don't do that often
[10:02] <zequence> ttoine: It's a little bit grey, but it looks good. The placement of the text is not perfect, it's a little tilted. Not something you think about without studying it in details
[10:02] <zequence> It looks a bit strange from any angle right now I think
[10:02] <cub> zequence, which mug did you buy?
[10:02] <zequence> cub: the one where both text and CoF are on the same side
[10:03] <zequence> the other mug was created afterwards
[10:03] <cub> how much was the delivery costs?
[10:04] <zequence> cub: About 40-50kr I think
[10:05] <cub> great. I'll put in an order later today for a couple of shirts and the other mug then.
[10:09] <ttoine> zequence, I finally found where to import vectorial graphism. But I will have to re export and redo the products. By the way, it means we may be able to make to nice embrodey
[10:09] <ttoine> embrodery
[10:11] <cub> hmm the prices just went up?
[10:11] <cub> €20.10 for the shirt now. :D
[10:12] <ttoine> cub, the prices didn't change at all
[10:12] <cub> wasn't' it €20 before?
[10:12] <ttoine> cub, I created a very cheap and basic shirt
[10:12] <ttoine> was 20,10
[10:12] <cub> aha
[10:17] <ttoine> I change for ubuntustudio.spreadshirt.net
[10:17] <ttoine> instead of .fr
[10:18] <zequence> ttoine: Ah, yes. That makes it seem more international
[10:22] <cub> ttoine, does that change where the items actually ship from?
[10:23] <ttoine> cub, i don't think so
[10:23] <cub> it would make quite a difference if it was shipped outside of the EU when buying from Sweden.
[10:30] <ttoine> cub, why ??
[10:31] <cub> it will land in customs and you get an extra customs fee plus additional taxes upon
[10:32] <cub> I never buy outside of the EU anymore because it makes deliveries take much longer and more expensive
[10:34] <cub> "(1) For customers ordering from EU states, the prices as given are the gross prices and include the statutory incidental taxes, in particular Value Added Tax." So it seems it's shipped from the EU, most likely Germany
[10:34] <ttoine> certainly
[11:00] <zequence> ttoine: This is the new version of the text logo http://www.ubuntustudio.mousike.me/wp-content/themes/ubuntustudio-wp-devel/img/us-logo.png
[11:00] <zequence> ttoine: white, so you don't see it until you download
[11:00] <zequence> ttoine: We will change all our sites to have that later
[11:00] <zequence> ttoine: So, you could change it for the webshop as well already
[11:01] <zequence> You can see it in action here http://www.ubuntustudio.mousike.me/
[11:59] <ttoine> zequence, you must see with madeinkobaia to have a version on dark background. It is hard to use a white logo on white paper, for example
[14:21] <zequence> ttoine: The background needs to be dark for that logo, or the color of the logo needs to be changed
[14:21] <zequence> ttoine: The default is white color for the text. I don't see any reason for us to change that
[14:22] <zequence> ttoine: How about design for the website? What can you do? html?
[14:22] <smartboyhw> css:P
[14:54] <ttoine> zequence, just that sometime, we might use the logo on websites or other places/media where the background is white
[14:55] <ttoine> so we should have a version for this case
[14:55] <ttoine> it is just my experience about communication stuff
[21:24] <TheDrums> "<zeq|uence> GNUdru: We don't have our own DE, so it's not really up to us"   As far as I know, you have your own seed file, so you can run Xfce on xMir or X.org, just may not be in your favor to since you basically build atop Xubuntu.
[23:12] <OvenWerks> TheDrums: That was my thought too. With the user base we are serving X.org looks like the proper choice right now. (my opinion, not ubuntustudio's) Stability is prority one.
[23:13] <OvenWerks> Music software is still moving fast enough (xfce too for that matter) to make it worth keeping non-LTS releases stable.
[23:13] <OvenWerks> Still it is nice to be able to deflect the question :)
[23:15] <OvenWerks> Personally, not sure about zequence, I feel we need to be a little bit more conservative on this question.
[23:17] <OvenWerks> I think 14.10 might be a good time to look at MIR. That skips both xMIR and the first release of MIR.
[23:18] <TheDrums> I'm with you as well, I'd prefer we stick with Xorg for this release and 14.04 as it's an LTS, then go with the testing platform since by then it'll be more mature, and generally right after a LTS is the time to do crazy stunts.
[23:18] <OvenWerks> It also avoids any FUD problems. We are thankful for all the work Xubuntu is doing testing things.
[23:19] <OvenWerks> If we go for MIR, I want it to already be a solid platform
[23:20] <TheDrums> I quite agree.  I could spin up a XMir ubuntustudio image, but I personally wouldn't see the point.
[23:20] <OvenWerks> Actually, we have the stuff now to install studio direct on an xubuntu mir iso :)
[23:21] <OvenWerks> Our menu and metas have an installer for other flavours.
[23:23] <OvenWerks> Its personal PPAs now, but waiting for micahg to upload.
[23:26] <OvenWerks> TheDrums: Speaking of which, what is the link to the xubuntu xMir ISO? I should try it out.
[23:27] <TheDrums> http://vanir.unit193.tk/mir/
[23:27] <OvenWerks> Thank you.
[23:27] <TheDrums> Sure.
[23:28] <OvenWerks> I have a spare partition... I'll try it as is first and then drop in the lowlatency kernel
[23:28] <OvenWerks> then our workflow apps
[23:28] <TheDrums> That ISO is based on the r898 packages.
[23:29] <OvenWerks> r898 doesn't have meaning to me.
[23:38] <micahg> OvenWerks: can you file a needs packaging bug for the -installer?
[23:38] <micahg> I'll poke someone to review tonight, it looks good from my end
[23:39] <OvenWerks> micahg: ok.anyone I should address it to?
[23:39] <micahg> nope
[23:39] <micahg> feel free to subscribe me
[23:40] <OvenWerks> Will do.
[23:42] <micahg> thanks
[23:46] <OvenWerks> micahg: which one of your addresses should I drop it on?
[23:47] <OvenWerks> never mind bug #1209414
[23:47] <OvenWerks> I sent it to the one that has micahg


[01:04] <hazmat> lazyPower, hmm
[01:04] <hazmat> lazyPower, that's strange.. normally its about 3m.. but yeah.. making that tunable sounds good, if you have a chance file a bug.. i'm eod, else i'll file tomorrow.
[01:05] <lazyPower> hazmat: already done.
[01:05] <hazmat> lazyPower, thanks, just noticed
[01:05] <lazyPower> I wrapped the video edit about 12 minutes ago, waiting on an export so i can do the voice over. I'll have the assets (both raw, and completed) for you tomorrow.
[05:35] <hazmat> lazyPower, you rock
[05:36] <hazmat> lazyPower, btw if its slow i generally would try beefing up the size of the vm --constraints="mem=2G" is normally what i use for transient envs, and optionally hit up a different region with --constraints="region=sfo" etc.
[08:46] <bloodearnest> Trivial review that fixes squid-reverseproxy charm, which is currently broken in the charmstore: https://code.launchpad.net/~bloodearnest/charms/precise/squid-reverseproxy/trunk/+merge/235429
[08:54] <Odd_Bloke> rick_h_: I resorted to the GUI (which worked nicely). :p
[08:57] <bloodearnest> Odd_Bloke: you sprinting?
[09:10] <Odd_Bloke> bloodearnest: I am.
[09:10] <Odd_Bloke> Doing OpenCorporates stuff. :)
[10:51] <stub> Is there some charm cache the local provider uses? The wrong branch keeps getting deployed, despite what the symlinks in $JUJU_REPOSITORY say
[10:53] <Spads> stub: revision number?
[10:54] <stub> Nah, has to be stuck in a cache somewhere.
[10:55] <stub> The charm that actually is being deployed has been renamed, so it shouldn't even be deployable (since the directory name != charm name)
[11:06] <stub> And still stuck. The charm doesn't even exist in $JUJU_REPOSITORY now, and it still successfully installs.
[11:08] <jcastro> hey marcoceppi, do you know what version of charm-tools is in the ubuntu-cloud archive?
[11:23] <stub> Rebuilding JUJU_REPOSITORY cleared it. No idea where the errant symlink was, or if that was the case.
[11:58] <stub> agent-state appears to stay in 'pending' throughout the install hook run now, juju 1.20.7.
[12:07] <stub> oic, pending, installed, started
[14:01] <marcoceppi> jcastro: an older version I suppose?
[14:42] <fabrice> hi, how do I deploy a charm on utopic ?
[14:44] <fabrice> in my juju I have uploading tools for series [precise trusty] so how do I get support for utopic ?
[14:44] <marcoceppi> fabrice: utopic isn't released yet
[14:45] <marcoceppi> fabrice: and we strongly recommend that people use LTS releases for deployment
[14:45] <fabrice> marcoceppi: I know I want to test that juju-gui can work on utopic
[14:45] <marcoceppi> that said, it is possible, what cloud provider are you using?
[14:45] <fabrice> marcoceppi: just for test so local or AWS
[14:47] <marcoceppi> fabrice: so I think you can do it for local, probably not AWS I don't think utopic images are out
[14:48] <marcoceppi> fabrice: are you on utopic atm?
[14:48] <fabrice> marcoceppi: no trusty
[14:50] <marcoceppi> fabrice: try bootstrapping local
[14:50] <marcoceppi> then deploying the utopic charm
[14:52] <fabrice> marcoceppi: I get that when I do a juju status after deploy
[14:52] <fabrice> marcoceppi: agent-state-info: no matching tools available
[14:53] <marcoceppi> fabrice: hum, I would say --upload-tools but you're not on utopic
[14:53] <marcoceppi> but, try it anyways
[14:55] <fabrice> marcoceppi: you mean juju --upload-tools utopic ?
[14:56] <marcoceppi> fabrice: just juju bootstrap --upload-tools
[15:15] <fabrice> marcoceppi: it does change anything :(
[15:15] <fabrice> marcoceppi: no luck with the upload tools
[15:15] <marcoceppi> fabrice: spin up a utopic vm, then do --upload-tools after installing juju with local
[15:16] <marcoceppi> I think --upload-tools only does it for the release you're on
[15:16] <fabrice> marcoceppi: ok great I'll do that, thanks
[15:16] <marcoceppi> fabrice: well, let me ask someone in core
[15:16] <marcoceppi> I'm guessing at this piont
[15:16] <marcoceppi> natefinch: any way to get a utopic bootstrap going at this point?
[15:17] <natefinch> marcoceppi: set default-series to utopic?
[15:17] <marcoceppi> natefinch: doesn't work, gets a "no matching tools" error on deployment
[15:17] <natefinch> hmm weird
[15:18] <natefinch> sinzui: do we not have utopic tools?
[15:18] <marcoceppi> natefinch: would utopic VM + --upload-tools be a way around this? (if no tools avail)
[15:18] <natefinch> marcoceppi: yep
[15:18] <marcoceppi> natefinch: cool, fabrice ^
[15:19] <jamespage> tvansteenburgh, how would you feel about making the implicit_save in the config charm-helper default to False?
[15:19] <fabrice> natefinch, marcoceppi : thanks I'll try that and come back to you
[15:19] <jamespage> tvansteenburgh, its completely playing havoc with out openstack charm unit testing
[15:21] <sinzui> natefinch, yes, for 1.20.x and above
[15:22] <natefinch> fabrice|family, marcoceppi: ^^   what version are you using?
[15:22] <sinzui> natefinch, and we certified the utopic tools work...and we go further and deploy juju-ci3 with them
[15:22] <natefinch> sinzui: my guess is they're using 1.18.x
[15:23] <sinzui> natefinch, ah, 1.18.x doesn't support utopic 1.20.1 does
[15:23] <tvansteenburgh> jamespage: i'm hesitant to change that now b/c people have come to expect it save by default
[15:23] <lazyPower> stub: ~/.juju/.deployer-store-cache maybe?
[15:24] <sinzui> natefinch, sorry. I got confused by juju knowledge of ubuntu, and ubuntu knowledge of juju. Juju 1.18.4 knows about utopic
[15:25] <sinzui> natefinch, that was a requirement to put 1.18.4 in utopic
[15:27] <sinzui> natefinch, marcoceppi, fabrice|family , Is this about the local-deploy case? Juju only supports lts for local deploys *except* when the local host is utopic itself
[15:28] <sinzui> natefinch, marcoceppi, fabrice|family , so utopic can do local deploys of utopic, trusty, and precise, an lts series (such as in vagrant images) can only upload tools for lts
[15:43] <lazyPower> hazmat: do you want the source files for the video before I archive them?
[15:43] <lazyPower> i've just syndicated the post/video everywhere i've got access to
[15:45] <hazmat> lazyPower, no thanks.. but a link would be great
[15:45] <lazyPower> http://blog.dasroot.net/juju-digital-ocean-awesome/
[15:45] <hazmat> nevermind.. just saw the email
[15:45] <hazmat> lazyPower, oddly enough.. i was just looking at the work for a native provider now that objectstorage is no longer a provider req
[15:46] <lazyPower> Well, i call out that the provider is still considered beta - so YMMV, which is a fairly good disclaimer
[15:46] <hazmat> cool
[15:47] <lazyPower> but if the DO provider keeps growing like it is, we're on par for making that happen. also did you notice we are #1 in APi integration?
[15:47] <lazyPower> hi5 on that brochacho
[16:00] <jamespage> tvansteenburgh, right now the hooks helper does not really expose any way to disable the implicit_save
[16:01] <jamespage> tvansteenburgh, so without stupid patching in unit_tests its going to be trickey to fix this up
[16:03] <tvansteenburgh> jamespage: could make implicit_save a kwarg to hookenv.config(), and pass it through to the Config constructor
[16:07] <natefinch> -marcoceppi, jcastro: if you guys have time today, I'd like to talk about the charm-sync feature we're working on and specifically what it solves that charm-upgrade --force doesn't cover.
[16:09] <marcoceppi> natefinch: sure, I've been meaning to ping perrito666 on that as well
[16:10] <lazyPower> nice
[16:10] <lazyPower> +1 on that natefinch
[16:10] <lazyPower> well, the idea that you guys are going to leverage CH in upgrade-charm
[16:11] <lazyPower> marcoceppi: when i push these big data bundles, do i wnt to put them in the ~charmer namespace, or bigdata-charmers namespace?
[16:11] <marcoceppi> lazyPower: depends
[16:13] <lazyPower> i'm all ears
[16:13] <marcoceppi> lazyPower: well, do you want bigdata-chamers to maintain it?
[16:13] <marcoceppi> oh
[16:13] <marcoceppi> bundles
[16:13] <marcoceppi> BUNDLESSSS
[16:13] <marcoceppi> charmers
[16:13] <lazyPower> ok. I thought so. Thanks :)
[16:15] <marcoceppi> lazyPower: for the next screencast, put opacity at 100%
[16:15] <marcoceppi> terminal over webpage is hard to read
[16:15] <lazyPower> ack.
[16:16] <lazyPower> i should have upped terminal sizing too i noticed post-facto
[16:16] <marcoceppi> yeah, but fullscreen is easy enough to see the size
[16:16] <marcoceppi> also, your battery is about to die and it's making me nervous ;)
[16:17] <lazyPower> thats on my mouse
[16:17] <lazyPower> my rechargeables always report < 30%
[16:18] <marcoceppi> hah, good
[16:18] <lazyPower> for whatever reason
[16:18] <roadmr> mouse bat level is borked, mine always says 55% even with a fresh battery
[16:18] <lazyPower> solaar doesn't give me an option to hide it from display either :(
[16:18] <lazyPower> its very militant in that regard
[16:30] <pdobrien> hey folks, got a quick question
[16:30] <pdobrien> trying to bootstrap juju to a private openstack instance
[16:31] <pdobrien> when trying to generate the metadata, I get "ERROR unrecognized command: juju metadata"
[16:31] <pdobrien> this is on a mac, using juju from homebrew
[16:32] <lazyPower> pdobrien: can you juju version for me?
[16:32] <pdobrien> it's 1.20.1-mavericks-amd64
[16:32] <lazyPower> thats 6 minor revisions behind, interesting.
[16:32] <pdobrien> hm, I just installed it last week or the week before, but I see there's a new version
[16:33] <lazyPower> i haven't tested our brew installs in a bit - but i'm not positive thats why you're seeing that issue
[16:33] <pdobrien> getting the same error with 1.20.7
[16:33] <lazyPower> pdobrien: 1 moment, let me fire up my mac
[16:33] <aisrael> ^^ confirming, I see that as well
[16:34] <lazyPower> aisrael: same version?
[16:35] <lazyPower> i have juju metadata on ubuntu 1.20.7 - brew installing juju now
[16:35] <aisrael> yep, 1.20.7-mavericks-amd64
[16:36] <aisrael> juju metadata works inside vagrant, with 1.20.7-trusty-amd64
[16:36] <jcastro> natefinch, I'm on the road but generally speaking everything marcoceppi I tend to just blindly nod and agree
[16:36] <lazyPower> aisrael: confirmed what you see
[16:36] <lazyPower> let me open a bug so we can track this further
[16:38] <lazyPower> pdobrien: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1372550
[16:38] <mup> Bug #1372550: juju metadata missing from brew juju 1.20.7 <papercut> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1372550>
[16:38] <lazyPower> can you click " This bug affects me" so you get updates to the bug? i'll bring this to core
[16:43] <pdobrien> will do, thanks!
[18:05] <lazyPower> Hey! I got hackernews'd - go upboat please  https://news.ycombinator.com/newest
[18:05] <lazyPower> errr https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8351651
[18:09] <natefinch> lazyPower: upboated :)
[18:09] <lazyPower> Ty ty :)
[18:11] <sarnold> lazyPower: nice :)
[18:11] <lazyPower> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8351651 - i got hackernewsed
[18:11] <lazyPower> can you upboat plz?
[18:11] <lazyPower> oh
[18:12] <lazyPower> wrong channel, haha
[18:12] <natefinch> haha
[18:12]  * lazyPower is jazzed
[18:12] <lazyPower> i *never* get HN'd, so to see this reposted by someone other than me, oh man. i'm losing my marbles
[18:24] <natefinch> the guy who upvoted it is evidently Community Director at DigitalOcean - https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=beigeotter
[18:25] <natefinch> marcoceppi: have time now to talk about charm sync?
[18:26] <marcoceppi> natefinch: yes
[18:26] <natefinch> marcoceppi: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/moonstone?authuser=1
[18:27] <natefinch> perrito666: you available?
[19:45] <sebas5384> lazyPower: hey! o/
[19:45] <lazyPower> hey sebas5384
[19:45] <sebas5384> i'm going to do a training about Drupal, and I was thinking in using Juju
[19:45] <sebas5384> and the dns charm comes to my head
[19:46] <sebas5384> because the users have mac osx
[19:46] <lazyPower> sebas5384: its still in the same state it was in
[19:46] <lazyPower> just deploying a single bind host
[19:46] <sebas5384> so i'm going to "vagrant up" the default image of the mac osx workflow
[19:47] <sebas5384> lazyPower: ok, but for a locally use, with more than 1 Drupal charm, being related, could the charm be useful ?
[19:47] <lazyPower> should be
[19:47] <lazyPower> so long as you add teh DNS Charm IP as your nameserver
[19:48] <sebas5384> hmm
[19:48] <lazyPower> sebas5384: i haven't looked at it in a while though, so make sure you file any bugs if you run into papercuts
[19:48] <sebas5384> thinking in how to do this for the mac osx scenario
[19:48] <sebas5384> yeah, i'm going to test that now
[19:49] <sebas5384> deploying two drupal charms, with diferent domains, and then trying to access those from the mac osx
[19:49] <sebas5384> (host)
[19:49] <sebas5384> :)
[19:51] <sebas5384> i'll keep you informed then! thanks man!
[19:51] <lazyPower> sebas5384: oh!
[19:51] <lazyPower> sebas5384: it's tied to a single domain, you'll need 2 copies of the dns charnm deployed in its current state
[19:52] <sebas5384> hmmm
[19:52] <sebas5384> so its a dns server for each domain ?
[19:53] <lazyPower> yep
[19:53] <lazyPower> take a look at the spec doc in the charm
[19:53] <lazyPower> it gives a really good overview of whats planned, and whats implemented is reflected in the deployment guide
[19:53] <sebas5384> can I ask why is that way?
[19:53] <sebas5384> ahh ok
[20:24]  * mbruzek created an unmaintained-charms group that we will use for charms that are broken.
[20:29] <ayr-ton> I'm trying to remove a subordinate service that have "pending" as it status. But without success. The charm is cs:~marcoceppi/precise/zabbix-agent-1. juju destroy-unit zabbix-agent/0 does not have any effect.
[20:30] <marcoceppi> ayr-ton: hav eyou tried juju remove-relation ?
[20:31] <ayr-ton> marcoceppi: ERROR relation "zabbix-agent:juju-info mysql:juju-info" not found
[20:34] <marcoceppi> huh
[20:34] <ayr-ton> I think its Satan.
[20:34] <marcoceppi> well it is zabbix
[20:34] <marcoceppi> that charm was never really finished
[20:35] <ayr-ton> I will try more debugging. Just a sec.
[20:41] <ayr-ton> marcoceppi: Theres some way to manual destroy de unit?
[20:49] <sebas5384> https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/config-vagrant.html -> this is updated ?
[20:53] <ayr-ton> sebas5384: yep
[20:53] <ayr-ton> marcoceppi: I figure out.
[20:53] <sebas5384> thanks ayr-ton
[20:53] <ayr-ton> marcoceppi: Could I make a merge request for your charm?
[20:54] <marcoceppi> ayr-ton: of course!
[20:54] <marcoceppi> or you could jst fork it and use it as a base
[20:54] <ayr-ton> marcoceppi: ok. I will make some fixes and I will submit (:
[23:48] <hazmat> lazyPower, just watched the digitalocean video.. thanks again.. two thoughts.. we should really distribute static binaries (add ppa / apt-get update / install vs. wget )... the plugin on bootstrap and add-machine takes a -v flag which will print progress
[23:49] <hazmat> lazyPower, also juju docean list-machines shows machine details bypassing juju api just using do api.. (ditto for destroy-env --force though destructivly in that case)
[23:49] <hazmat> oh.. nm.. still watching ;-)
[23:52]  * hazmat sees list-machines fly by


[05:48] <MauroGaspari[m]> OvenWerks: thank you!
[12:59] <RikMills> Eickmeyer[m]: plasma-disks will be available soon, so you could add that to your seed and meta if you like
[13:12] <RikMills> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-disks/5.20.4-1
[16:36] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: Have you tried to use pikopixel?
[16:37] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: I have no text... ie all the menus are blank, the dialogs are too
[16:43] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: tried some different settings in the DE etc
[17:49] <OvenWerks> I'm wondering if it is just me or there is some kind of bug
[17:53] <OvenWerks> http://gnustep.8.n7.nabble.com/Missing-text-in-gui-apps-on-Kubuntu-td45447.html
[17:54] <OvenWerks> I guess I am not the only one and upstream is working on it
[17:56] <OvenWerks> It looks like there is a patch... in June so if it works in 20.10... all is good.
[17:56] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: if there is not bug report in ubuntu does that mean nobody uses this application?
[18:01] <OvenWerks> Yeah no bug reports attached to pikopixel in ubuntu... I guess I am the first person to try it out since May. Maybe it is not so useful...
[18:08] <OvenWerks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pikopixel.app/+bug/1908746