[21:38] <riffautae> Nightwalkerkg1: ?
[21:38] <riffautae> maxx878: the file doesnt exist. you cant backup something that doesnt exist
[21:38] <Peter_> @riffautae i can't copy anything without GUI.....
[21:38] <Nightwalkerkg1> I made a xorg.conf and pasted it in
[21:38] <Nightwalkerkg1> saved it.
[21:38] <Nightwalkerkg1> Should i restart now?
[21:39] <riffautae> Nightwalkerkg1: yea
[21:39] <Nightwalkerkg1> Back in a sec.
[21:39] <riffautae> Peter_: sorry, http://linuxers.org/article/pastebinit-command-line-pastebin-client
[21:39] <riffautae> Peter_: user control-alt-f2 to get to a command line if you were not dropped to one automaticly
[21:40] <usuario> buenas suelo visitar el portal www.shufuni.com te entretienes mucho y ahora mas que estamos en otoño
[21:41] <nikos> hi
[21:41] <ProxXy> Is there a windows channel?
[21:41] <iceroot> ProxXy: ##windows
[21:41] <iceroot> !alis | ProxXy
[21:42] <pfifo> is there a tool that can defrag a NTFS partition available in the repos?
[21:43] <iceroot> pfifo: no
[21:43] <pfifo> okay :(
[21:44] <maxx878> pfifo, what you really want to do..
[21:44] <nightwalkerkg> riffautae
[21:44] <riffautae> nightwalkerkg: hi
[21:44] <alexxio_> maxx878, i'm still here...i didnt solve at all :(
[21:44] <nightwalkerkg> Goldstar Company Ltd 16"
[21:44] <nightwalkerkg> with red color over it
[21:44] <alexxio_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/732461/
[21:44] <nightwalkerkg> and got 2 new resolutions
[21:44] <nightwalkerkg> :D
[21:45] <maxx878> alexxio_, so windows are in sda1 and you mounted grub in sda2 | am i right
[21:45] <pfifo> maxx878, I want to defragment a NTFS partition, would be nice if I could do it from linux, but looks like I need to boot into windows todo this
[21:45] <alexxio_> nope maxx878
[21:45] <nightwalkerkg> Got the 1152x864,it's what i have been looking for. :D
[21:45] <Camulus> I am trying to get a DoD CAC to work with Ubuntu 11.10  and Firefox 7.0.1. I have the card reader installed and "Pcsc_scan" will  show the reader and the card but when I try to open Firefox with the  card inserted it will not open. Alternatively, if Firefox is open and I  insert the card, Firefox will crash and not restart until the card is  removed.
[21:45] <alexxio_> let's do it simple
[21:45] <nightwalkerkg> Thnaks dude.
[21:45] <alexxio_> i runned boot repair
[21:45] <riffautae> nightwalkerkg: :D your welcome
[21:45] <alexxio_> boot-repair didn't repair
[21:46] <alexxio_> after i see grub menu
[21:46] <maxx878> pfifo, defrag only exist in windows so you want it get there ..Linux is different concept
[21:46] <nightwalkerkg> Oh,riffautae is normal that my monitor name has rade over it?
[21:46] <nightwalkerkg> :P :D
[21:46] <alexxio_> ubuntu loads; otherwise if i select windows , a black screen appear and doesnt' boot
[21:47] <lexflex> why is linux so damn user unfriendly?
[21:47] <alexxio_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/732461/
[21:47] <iceroot> lexflex: why should the kernel be userfriendly?
[21:47] <riffautae> nightwalkerkg: is that displayed on the screen? that is kinda weird. make sure the verticle refresh rate is correct
[21:47] <iceroot> lexflex: normally you dont have anything to do with the kernel
[21:47] <pfifo> maxx878, I could write a program that defrags NTFS partitions, im suprised noone has made one yet
[21:47] <lexflex> iceroot: hi there!
[21:47] <riffautae> nightwalkerkg: the config i gave you limits it to 70 but that might be too high for that resolution
[21:47] <nightwalkerkg> riffautae no,not on the screen on the Display properities.
[21:48] <riffautae> nightwalkerkg: strange that it is red
[21:48] <lexflex> iceroot: actually i was judging all linux by the ubuntu dist
[21:48] <alexxio_> maxx878, at grub prompt, if i press e on windows line and delete some character after uuid 7ACAXXXXXXX , it STARTS!!!how can i fix it?
[21:49] <lexflex> iceroot: corrected it would be: why is ubuntu so damn user unfriendly?
[21:49] <iceroot> alexxio_: edit /etc/default/grub  which should contain the same as the line you edited
[21:49] <iceroot> lexflex: you have a support question?
[21:49] <maxx878> alexxio_, if could boot ubuntu you can see windows partitions
[21:50] <lexflex> iceroot: i can't get my ubuntu to switch the main monitor back to the macbook display when i pull out the secondary monitor.
[21:50] <maxx878> alexxio_, if could boot ubuntu you can see windows partitions, drive files etc...
[21:50] <iceroot> lexflex: use the fn keys
[21:50] <alexxio_> maxx878, and so?
[21:50] <lexflex> iceroot: not sure how?
[21:51] <iceroot> lexflex: i guess this strange apple-thing should have something like an FN key
[21:51] <iceroot> lexflex: but i never used it so i dont know
[21:51] <lexflex> iceroot: yes it does, my logitech keyboard doesnt
[21:51] <iceroot> lexflex: try the fn keys, normally with f5
[21:52] <lexflex> iceroot: that doesn't do anything. i might say i had to configure this in nvidia configs, not standard ubuntu.
[21:52] <nightwalkerkg> Ok,the Displays prop. just got backo to Unknow and 1024x768.But the resolution on the screen is like i want it.
[21:52] <lexflex> iceroot: standard ubuntu cant handle it as it seems
[21:52] <Eltu> Posting my earlier question again, in case someone has time:
[21:52] <nightwalkerkg> :S
[21:52] <Eltu> 22:31 <Eltu> Hello. I have a problem reinstalling a package - apache2. My /etc/apache2 folder was deleted, so I ran apt-get remove apache2, followed by apt-get install apache2 - but the folder is still empty and apache has not been installed again. What do I need to do, to completely reinstall it?
[21:52] <iceroot> !mac | lexflex
[21:53] <iceroot> lexflex: maybe there are hints to enable the fn keys
[21:55] <lexflex> iceroot: it says that keyboard should work fine
[21:56] <lexflex> iceroot: in fact i think there is a workaround with disper, or auto-disper. but i can't seem to figure out how to install it
[21:56] <CJKay> Hi guys, how can I install a GUI-less Ubuntu? I'm looking for a base to build on where I won't break a hundred dependencies removing Unity and what-not
[21:57] <CJKay> I'm just installing the alternative CD now but it looks like it's installing Gnome and friends anyway
[21:57] <lexflex> iceroot: it's in the launchpad.net, some ppa thing. but i cant find a setup or something to install it
[21:57] <gimpy132> I'm using Ubuntu 10.10 Server x64 with ubuntu-desktop installed (I wanted LVM during the install).  If I install the lxde package will I be able to simply select lxde or gnome when gdm comes up?
[21:57] <gimpy132> CJKay: Server editition has no GUI unless you install one.
[21:57] <iceroot> !purekde | CJKay (only use the part for removing)
[21:57] <alexxio3333> aaa
[21:58] <alexxio3333> a
[21:58] <CJKay> Excellent. Is there any way to disable installing a GUI with the alternative CD? My ISP doesn't like me downloading things very much heh
[21:58] <alexxio3333> ok sorry
[21:58] <CJKay> If not I'll grab hold of the server edition
[21:58] <iceroot> lexflex: you have to add the ppa "sudo add-apt-repository foobar && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install foobar"
[21:58] <lexflex> foobar is replaced by?
[21:58] <lexflex> iceroot: foobar is replaced by?
[21:58] <iceroot> CJKay: alternate is not downlaoding from the net, its already in the cd
[21:58] <iceroot> lexflex: the ppa
[21:59] <CJKay> iceroot: I realise, but can I configure what is installed from the CD?
[21:59] <lexflex> iceroot: ppa:disper-dev/ppa    ?
[21:59] <balr0g> hello, please help with this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/732483/ people
[21:59] <iceroot> lexflex: yes
[22:00] <iceroot> lexflex: if that is the address
[22:00] <iceroot> CJKay: sorry dont know, long time not used alternate but if i am correct you can do a package-selection later in the process
[22:00] <Guest87391> how do i automount drives?
[22:00] <CJKay> balr0g: sudo apt-get install libxml2 libcurl or something like that
[22:00] <lexflex> iceroot: E: Unable to locate package ppa:disper-dev
[22:01] <iceroot> lexflex: sudo apt-get install packagename
[22:01] <iceroot> lexflex: not ppa-name
[22:01] <lexflex> iceroot: how do i get that name?
[22:01] <iceroot> lexflex: should be on launchpad
[22:01] <pawtracks> I used to use Windows 7 and my touchpad on my notebook worked great but when I permanetly switched over to Ubuntu my Touchpad was very sinsitive and hard to use. Its hard to right click, its hard to drag files. I need help! Im using a HP Mini 210 Netbook running Ubuntu 11.10. Thanks in advanced
[22:01] <iceroot> lexflex: you should know what you want to install when adding a ppa
[22:02] <iceroot> pawtracks: mom
[22:02] <iceroot> pawtracks: its a known bug
[22:02] <balr0g> CJKay, got this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/732485/ and still the same error on make
[22:03] <pawtracks> iceroot: Do you now how to fix this?
[22:03] <CJKay> balr0g: Don't run make as root
[22:03] <CJKay> Only run make install as root
[22:03] <iceroot> pawtracks: i am searching the bug
[22:04] <hilarie> Hello, I made my SSH mad at me :( when I ssh localhost, it tells me hilarie@hilarie:~$ ssh localhost Permission denied (publickey). any ideas on how to fix it?
[22:04] <lexflex> iceroot: i think installation worked, but  this disper just crashed my machine or something
[22:04] <pawtracks> iceroot: Ok, Let me know if you find any information on how to fix it or if you find the name of it so I can search about it.
[22:04] <hp> hello
[22:04] <iceroot> lexflex: ppas are not supported
[22:05] <lexflex> iceroot: i see. they can be anything
[22:05] <Guest90217> who is here?
[22:05] <jayar> im not here
[22:06] <ghulagab> same!
[22:06] <balr0g> CJKay, got this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/732490/
[22:06]  * CJKay isn't here
[22:06] <iceroot> pawtracks: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/859474
[22:06] <lexflex> iceroot: i hope you forgive me when i say: with any other OS i don't even have to worry about all this. they just do the right thing when i unplug my secondary monitor.. sigh
[22:06] <guntbert> hilarie: not really, but have a look at the ssh logs (to be found in /var/log/syslog)
[22:06] <lexflex> iceroot: thats what i menat by user unfriendly
[22:06] <iceroot> lexflex: feel free to use another os
[22:06] <pawtracks> iceroot: Thanks
[22:06] <CJKay> balr0g: Lol don't run make install unless make compiles successfully, we gotta figure that out first
[22:06] <CJKay> For a start, you don't have glib
[22:06] <Guest90217> i need help
[22:06] <Guest90217> about
[22:06] <CJKay> Nor can I remember how to get it
[22:06] <alexxio3333> if grub2 is indtalled,then /boot/grub/grub.conf is useful?
[22:07] <CJKay> balr0g: Try sudo apt-get install glib-2.0
[22:07] <Guest90217> who have for me few seconds ?
[22:07] <bonez2046> I rarely need to use my 3.5" floppy drive but today I do... I insert a disk and try to mount and get "No Medial In Drive" .. yet the disk in there has media... which read fine on a windows xp machine
[22:07] <balr0g> CJKay, i tried apt-get and it said alredy there
[22:07] <alexxio3333> is needed by the system?
[22:07] <bonez2046> what am I overlooking with this disk?
[22:07] <Guest90217> ?
[22:07] <CJKay> balr0g: Try `sudo apt-get install glib-dev` or `glib-devel` or stuff
[22:07] <CJKay> Or just look and see what's on Synatpic
[22:07] <CJKay> Synaptic*
[22:08] <iceroot> pawtracks: i think that is the bug you described
[22:08] <hilarie> Nov  8 12:41:15 hilarie init: ssh main process (2162) terminated with status 255 is the only thing that seems relevent
[22:08] <CJKay> balr0g: sudo apt-get install libglib2.0-dev
[22:08] <ghulagab> lol
[22:08] <robertzaccour> how do I change the login sound?
[22:08] <pawtracks> iceroot: I think thats it
[22:08] <red_one> what's the best way to reduce laptop power usage with 11.10?
[22:08] <CJKay> robertzaccour: When you log on, go "bing-bong!"
[22:09] <iceroot> pawtracks: its already fixed upstream, it just needs to build for ubuntu, there is also a workaround on that bug
[22:09] <CJKay> red_one: Turn off all window effects, 3D acceleration off if you can (I can't rememeber if you can), etc.
[22:09] <pawtracks> iceroot:  You mean they fixed it but they have yet to release the update?
[22:09] <robertzaccour> CJKay, serious answers only please. I wasn't the one that p'd in your cheerios this morning
[22:09] <CJKay> If you use compiz, revert to Metacity
[22:09] <red_one> Hm
[22:10] <balr0g> CJKay, http://paste.ubuntu.com/732500/
[22:10] <CJKay> Check the power settings
[22:10] <Guest90217> HALLLOOO WHO HELP ME ???  I replaced the file "desktop-login.ogg" and replaced it with a file I converted to ogg. I deleted desktop-login.ogg and pasted my audio file in that folder, then renamed it desktop-login.ogg. login and no sound. yes the file makes a sound when I play it.
[22:12] <CJKay> red_one: Integrated graphics card?
[22:13] <h00k> ghulagab: you need to mind the language, acronyms count as well.
[22:13] <h00k> !info metacity | ghulagab
[22:13] <robertzaccour> I thought a simple file swap would do it. I deleted the login sound file and pasted the sound i wanted renaming it desktop-login.ogg. I don't know what else I can possibly do.
[22:14] <h00k> ghulagab: also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Metacity
[22:14] <red_one> CJKay: ATI HD 4300 (mobile)
[22:14] <eriklegeek> hello tout le monde
[22:14] <ghulagab> thank you very much, my friend!
[22:14] <CJKay> balr0g: What are you trying to compile?
[22:14] <CJKay> red_one: Switchable or permanent?
[22:14] <balr0g> CJKay, this: https://github.com/tialaramex/sparql-query/
[22:15] <CJKay> red_one: As in, can you switch to integrated graphics on startup?
[22:15] <lexflex> iceroot: i sincerely do not know which one..
[22:15] <red_one> CJKay: hm. I don't know. lspci only lists one VGA controller
[22:15] <Guest90961> Hello everyone. Is anyone else having trouble to connect on Windows Live with Empathy ?
[22:15] <red_one> CJKay: you mean in bios?
[22:15] <iceroot> lexflex: every os has it pro and contra
[22:16] <red_one> I hadn't considered that. hm.
[22:16] <iceroot> Guest90961: its a issue on the msn server/routing in the network
[22:17] <CJKay> red_one: Not necessarily, but most likely. Some laptops like mine come with switchable graphics on demand
[22:17] <Guest90961> iceroot: Oh, ok. Microsoft fiddling with the protocols again ?
[22:17] <CJKay> nVidia Optimus
[22:17] <yrg> What is the name of the appearance management program in Ubuntu before 11.10? (It let me choose colours, window border styles, icons, etc.)
[22:17] <iceroot> Guest90961: no, they changed servers/or the routing is at the moment incorrect
[22:17] <wiredfool1> oneiric bug: something my kid did started ~ 600 gnome-screenshot processes, causing the vm subsystem and the OOM killer to battle with them at a load average of 48 for ~ 20 minutes before the OOM killer found compiz, and killed it. Console was severely laggy, requiring 30 seconds for the mouse to update position.
[22:17] <bdrewery> yrg: might be compiz settings manager
[22:17] <Guest90961> iceroot: Ok, thanks
[22:18] <bdrewery> yrg: it still works with 11.10/unity
[22:18] <bdrewery> yrg: but can cause instability
[22:18] <CJKay> yrg: The name in the title or the executable name?
[22:18] <balr0g> CJKay, you leave me!! =P
[22:18] <iceroot> Guest90961: if the servers have changed there will be a fix soon, if it is a routing issue we cant do anything, in boh cases you have to wait
[22:19] <pawtracks> iceroot: I can't save the file I need to edit due to permission errors. The file is owned by "root". What should I do?
[22:19] <iceroot> wiredfool1: doesnt sound like a bug
[22:19] <CJKay> balr0g: Hm wha'/
[22:19] <balr0g> CJKay, this: https://github.com/tialaramex/sparql-query/
[22:19] <iceroot> pawtracks: use sudo
[22:19] <iceroot> !sudo | pawtracks
[22:19] <wiredfool1> 600 instances of gnome-screenshot?
[22:19] <lexflex> iceroot: yes i know. i was so hoping for linux to suit me but heck.. i am trying to do a basic thing and i have to download packages and use command line and stuff.
[22:19] <iceroot> wiredfool1: if you press 600 times the print-key
[22:19] <Guest90961> iceroot: Yeah, as usual with that kind of problems. I figured it was something like that but thanks for clarifying, now I know the problem isn't on my side.
[22:20] <pawtracks> iceroot: How do I edit a file with sudo :/
[22:20] <iceroot> pawtracks: gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:20] <CJKay> balr0g: You have readline?
[22:20] <CJKay> pawtracks: sudo gedit <file>
[22:20] <pawtracks> Thanks
[22:20] <balr0g> CJKay, i think i have to install it once... checking that...
[22:20] <wiredfool1> iceroot: is there any log of that getting invoked?
[22:21] <iceroot> wiredfool1: about the oom-killer? /var/log/syslog
[22:21] <wiredfool1> no, the print key
[22:21] <CJKay> balr0g: Try reinstalling pkgconfig?
[22:21] <wiredfool1> I found the logs for the OOm killer
[22:21] <iceroot> lexflex: there are other systems where you cant do anything if a problem is happening
[22:21] <CJKay> Other than that I'm out of ideas
[22:21] <fresh_kns> j#gays
[22:21] <iceroot> lexflex: instead of reboot/reinstall
[22:21] <balr0g> CJKay, checking readline thing
[22:22] <mkanyicy> sudo halt is hanging in oneiric
[22:22] <mkanyicy> how can i fix that?
[22:22] <iceroot> lexflex: and of course you can do the stuff also with a gui, adding ppa with a gui and so on
[22:23] <riffautae> mkanyicy: doesnt poweroff or hanging some place else?
[22:23] <iceroot> lexflex: but we dont like to descripe the whole click click click click story here, just commands, independed from the gui you are using
[22:23] <mkanyicy> riffautae, yes it does not power off
[22:23] <iceroot> lexflex: if we want to give gui support, we first have to know if you are using lxde, xfce4, gnome2, gnome3, unity, kde and so on
[22:23] <CJKay> mkanyicy: Confirmed
[22:24] <iceroot> lexflex: but all system are using the bash, so its the easiest way
[22:24] <riffautae> mkanyicy: on some systems halt is not supposed to do that, use shutdown or poweroff
[22:24] <CJKay> mkanyicy: Is there a reason not to use shutdown -h
[22:24] <CJKay> shutdown -h now will halt and power off
[22:24] <kharloss> hi there. i have a strange problem. 3 days ago i encountered a big problem. at 12 ( i`m GMT + 2) PM  my webserver stop responding / extremly slow conection using ssh. I see there is a large amount of data copied ( backup something maybe, or i don`t know) - i see this on hdd led, and harddisk sound like verry busy one.  i`m not a power user, i`m more a webdesigner.  somebody can help ? ( i
[22:24] <kharloss> mention, if i restart my webserver, everything it`s ok after) but restarting my server every night, ofcourse isn`t a solution. thanks in advance
[22:25] <CJKay> Is it doing it now?
[22:25] <mkanyicy> CJKay, I stopped using shutdown some years ago when it took me to recovery mode instead of halting
[22:25] <iceroot> kharloss: have a look with "top" and "iotop" what is causing a high load
[22:25] <lexflex> iceroot: okay i get that command line thing. i didn't figure out though, how to install it gui-style. and on the ppa-site you can't just download a setup. anyway. installation worked out fine since i got some good help of yours.
[22:25] <iceroot> kharloss: without that info its not possible to help
[22:25] <bonez2046> floppy won't work? Anyone know how to troubleshoot floppy?
[22:25] <iceroot> lexflex: you can always download a *.deb file and double click it to install it (like an exe in windows)
[22:26] <CJKay> mkanyicy: Try it again, halt can only be guaranteed to... well... halt the kernel. Some computers don't automatically power off on a halt instruction
[22:26] <mkanyicy> riffautae, ok, I will try 'poweroff' and/or 'shutdown' next time i halt my system
[22:26] <CJKay> Don't forget the -h option
[22:26] <kharloss> iceroot : thanks, i`ll do this when i can - right now is extremely slow .. i`m ssh`ing and take maybe 2 minutes until i can login
[22:26] <iceroot> kharloss: maybe a bad connection instead of a high load
[22:26] <yrg> CJKay, the executable name
[22:26] <iceroot> kharloss: you got a good result when ping the server?
[22:26] <mkanyicy> CJKay, its funny that this computer has been halting with halt command before 11.10
[22:27] <CJKay> kharloss: What does `free` show?
[22:27] <CJKay> mkanyicy: Times change hehe
[22:27] <mkanyicy> CJKay, smh
[22:27] <CJKay> But if shutdown -h doesn't shutdown your system, that's probably more of a bug than halt not shutting it down
[22:28] <kharloss> CJKay, i have to wait maybe 2 minutes i can type  free .. :)
[22:28] <CJKay> Haha
[22:28] <iceroot> kharloss: ping the server from your client
[22:28] <elz89> mkanyicy: try 'sudo shutdown -Ph now'
[22:29] <iceroot> kharloss: ping -c 4 hostname
[22:29] <thorn__> hello!!! When I print to one printer after selecting it (after installing the drivers from Brother) the lights on the other printer light up and the first printer doesn't respond. lsusb shows the printers (without differentiation) on Bus 001 and Device 007 and 002 respectively. Please help.
[22:29] <nimean> how to unload nouveau module and uninstall it so I can get this nvidia driver compiled?
[22:29] <nimean> anyone?
[22:29] <balr0g> CJKay, i tried installing readline and still not working... i think this time i can figure another alternatives, will try those... tks anyway
[22:30] <iceroot> nimean: sudo modprobe -r modulname after that remove the package with sudo apt-get remove
[22:30] <mkanyicy> elz89, its quite a long stuff to type
[22:30] <CJKay> balr0g: No problem. G'luck!
[22:31] <mkanyicy> i want halt back :(
[22:32] <CJKay> nimean: `sudo modprobe -r nouveau && gksudo gedit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist` then add 'nouveau' to the list
[22:32] <elz89> mkanyicy: it is one more letter?
[22:32] <thorn__> hello!!! When I print to one printer after selecting it (after installing the drivers from Brother) the lights on the other printer light up and the first printer doesn't respond. lsusb shows the printers (without differentiation) on Bus 001 and Device 007 and 002 respectively. Please help.
[22:33] <mkanyicy> elz89, sudo shutdown -Phew now
[22:33] <mkanyicy> dead
[22:35] <mkanyicy> thorn__, so your two printers are Brothers?
[22:36] <kubuntuianer> I bought a card reader (Akasa AK-ICR-11) which also has bluetooth. Bluetooth is working an lsusb show me "Bus 001 Device 007: ID 058f:6362 Alcor Micro Corp. Flash Card Reader/Writer". But the reader is not working. What can I do?
[22:36] <mkanyicy> kubuntuianer, do you have a card on it?
[22:37] <kubuntuianer> mkanyicy yes
[22:38] <mkanyicy> kubuntuianer, i think you should have something like /dev/mmc*
[22:39] <jtreminio> Hello guys - how can I manually edit keyboard shortcuts in Ubuntu?
[22:39] <jtreminio> Manually edit shortcuts as in not using the GUI. I'm trying to remap CTRL Q to do nothing, but typing in CTRL Q in the GUI closes the GUI (d'oh!)
[22:39] <mkanyicy>   jtreminio in keyboard
[22:40] <jtreminio> mkanyicy, trying to do it via the keyboard GUI will close the GUI because I'm trying to remap CTRL Q.
[22:41] <kubuntuianer> mkanyicy I put in my microsd so I assume there should be something like /dev/microsd. But there is nothing like that.
[22:41] <WilliamAbignale> this is a test
[22:41] <jtreminio> this is a response
[22:41] <KM0201> jtreminio: lol
[22:42] <WilliamAbignale> this is another test
[22:42] <WilliamAbignale> that better not be the response.
[22:42] <mkanyicy> kubuntuianer, its not gonna be called 'microsd'
[22:42] <WilliamAbignale> #list
[22:42] <WilliamAbignale> !list
[22:42] <WilliamAbignale> !alis
[22:42] <mkanyicy> kubuntuianer, i think it should be /dev/mmcblk0p1
[22:43] <WilliamAbignale> !help
[22:43] <WilliamAbignale> !patience
[22:44] <lighta> hi guys, quick question, what's the eclipse version in 10.10 repository ?
[22:44] <bsmith093> why does ubuntu always hold back kernel upgrades so i have to apt get them manually
[22:44] <littlebir> how could I give the user ubuntu root priviliges without having to use sudo?
[22:44] <iceroot> !info eclipse maverick
[22:44] <Peter_> thx community bb
[22:44] <KM0201> littlebir: thats not supported here
[22:45] <iceroot> lighta: ^
[22:45] <mkanyicy> lighta, you meant 10.10 or 11.10?
[22:45] <kubuntuianer> mkanyicy, unfortunately there isn't /dev/mmcblk0p1 or anything similar
[22:45] <lexflex> iceroot: seems like after all this package works! awesome. now i can do this with terminal commands
[22:45] <iceroot> lexflex: great, what was the issue first?
[22:45] <lighta> ah hmm 11.10 mkanyicy sorry, oneric
[22:45] <Gentoo64> littlebir, are you new to linux?
[22:45] <iceroot> !info eclipse | lighta
[22:45] <CJKay> bsmith093: Stability
[22:46] <CJKay> Most likely anyway
[22:46] <lexflex> iceroot: that it somehow crashed all programs running
[22:46] <iceroot> lexflex: hm ok
[22:46] <bsmith093> CJKay: yes but EVERY SINGLE ONE!?! really?
[22:46] <lexflex> iceroot: now it does it quite smoothly.. all i need now is to automate those commands somehow, like with a shortcut
[22:46] <CJKay> bsmith093: Well what version are you so desperate to update to
[22:46] <CJKay> ?
[22:46] <CJKay> 3.2?
[22:47] <iceroot> !shortcut | lexflex
[22:47] <lighta> hmm thx iceroot, 3.7 is indigo right ? anyone having trouble with android dev with indigo eclipse ? worked fine with gallileo damn !
[22:47] <iceroot> lighta: #android
[22:47] <bsmith093> i mean theres a kernel upgrade in the queue and i always have to manaully select those pacakges for updating, its annoying ,is all
[22:48] <CJKay> Well there's usually not a massive urgency to update to a new kernel every time one comes out
[22:48] <iceroot> bsmith093: why you have to manually pick them?
[22:48] <CJKay> bsmith093: Just do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and see if it's on there
[22:49] <Gooses> Having problems viewing a site that streams TV.  The Primary stream is using Silverlight 4, but Linux Moonlight mono project only supports Firefox and Chrome to Silverlight v2.  The alternative is basic stream which appears to default to Gnome Player which is rendering horribly.  Is there an alternative to Gnome Player in the browser?
[22:49] <bsmith093> i have to do this  everytime the linux kernel is upgraded in the ubuntu repos sudo apt-get upgrade linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image linux-image-generic
[22:49] <iceroot> bsmith093: wrong
[22:49] <iceroot> bsmith093: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade   will do the job
[22:50] <riffautae> iceroot: 'wrong' is pretty blunt
[22:50] <bsmith093> iceroot: yes but i dont want the new version, im happy with lucid
[22:50] <iceroot> bsmith093: dist-upgrade is not updating the ubuntu-version
[22:50] <riffautae> bsmith093: it doesnt update you to new ubunt uversions
[22:50] <iceroot> bsmith093: man apt-get  to see the difference in "upgrade" and "dist-upgrade"
[22:50] <iceroot> bsmith093: dist-upgrade is excatly what you want
[22:50] <Gentoo64> bsmith093, what do you need all the new kernels for? the sake of it?
[22:51] <bsmith093> really, i thought thats "exactly" what dist-upgrade meant
[22:51] <iceroot> bsmith093: no
[22:51] <CJKay> No
[22:51] <elz89> bsmith093: you are being a tad too literal
[22:51] <bsmith093> i figure the ubutnu devs push them out, i should probably have them
[22:51] <riffautae> Gentoo64: do you get kernel security updates otherwise?
[22:51] <Gentoo64> yes
[22:51] <riffautae> k
[22:51] <Gentoo64> i think they put them in
[22:51] <iceroot> bsmith093: dist-upgrade means "update packages when also a depened package will change" which is the fact for the kernel metapackage because they are pulling new kernel packaghes
[22:51] <brylie> A friend just called me and said that the wireless icon is gone from the Unity notification area. How can we restore the network icon?
[22:52] <bsmith093> elz89: well, now I know, so thanks for the info
[22:52] <lexflex> iceroot: works! thank you
[22:52] <iceroot> lexflex: find another os with such a good support like here in #ubuntu :)
[22:53] <iceroot> lexflex: for free of course :)
[22:53] <lexflex> iceroot: i know, that spirit is unique
[22:54] <elz89> iceroot: have you not seen #openmediavault
[22:54] <bonhoffer> i can set my display, but i can't see the window i'm looking at now
[22:54] <bonhoffer> if i do mirror displays, the best i can see is 1024 x768
[22:55] <bonhoffer> but if i turn off mirror displays i can see the right resolution, but i have to switch monitors and i lose my current screen
[22:55] <lexflex> iceroot: but the shortcuts don't work well damn.. are there nay rules?
[22:56] <iceroot> lexflex: never used them and have to sleep now
[22:56] <julian__> i have a problema.. with the name of files... (stat -121-129-1311080117.60561.wav)
[22:56] <iceroot> lexflex: maybe i will have a look tomorow
[22:56] <lexflex> iceroot: okay thank you, good night
[22:56] <julian__> stat: opción inválida -- 1
[22:56] <julian__> Pruebe `stat --help' para más información.
[22:56] <lexflex> iceroot: every night is linux night ;)
[22:56] <iceroot> julian__: use "-123456.wav"
[22:57] <bonhoffer> the resolution is perfect -- but it is treating my computer like it has two monitors
[22:57] <iceroot> julian__: or use "your command -- -123456.wav
[22:57] <bonhoffer> and i can't get any windows on the new (correct) screen
[22:57] <bonhoffer> i am using intel hd 3000 drivers
[22:58] <bonhoffer> i don't have a dual monitor setup
[22:58] <bjorkintosh> is there a way to restore the bar on top?
[22:58] <bjorkintosh> it seems to be lost.
[22:58] <julian__> iceroot,  thanks
[22:58] <bjorkintosh> and the default icons are gone. this s unity
[22:59] <bonhoffer> i would like to disable the mirroring -- and just go with the recognized monitor
[23:01] <bonhoffer> so i am thinking this is an ubuntu bug -- what is the bug tracker/submission process for ubuntu?
[23:01] <tensorpudding> launchpad
[23:01] <tensorpudding> !launchpad
[23:01] <bonhoffer> tensorpudding, thanks -- have you heard of a phantom monitor getting detected?
[23:02] <bonhoffer> that is "unknown"
[23:02] <tensorpudding> no
[23:02] <bonhoffer> with no video card or extra monitor connected
[23:02] <bonhoffer> yeah -- pretty strange
[23:03] <bonhoffer> don't see a bug logged for this yet -- is there a dev channel?
[23:04] <bonhoffer> is 11.10 in beta?
[23:04] <bonhoffer> or is there a way to remove monitors?
[23:05] <notlistening> Right I have a laptop using the openchrome drivers for a VIA display card. I have tried to enable these driver for it to always default back to the software render, so I have identified that it needs this file which is missing unichrome_dri.so. Apt tells me is is in this package libbgl1-mesa-dri but when i install that package the .so file is not there. Any ideas?
[23:07] <littlebir> Please login as the ubuntu user rather than root user.
[23:07] <littlebir> how do I enable the root to login with ssh?
[23:08] <littlebir> I understand that it is not always a good idea, but i need to
[23:08] <kneeki> Using the nVidia GTS 450 and Gnome3, is it recommended to use the proprietary drivers?
[23:09] <bonhoffer> before i submit this, is there a way to delete an 'unknown monitor'
[23:10] <bonhoffer> detect displays brings up this unknown monitor
[23:11] <Pancakez> empathy is suddenly refusing to connect my msn account (sits at "Connecting..." forever)  but other msn clients work.  Anybody know how I can fix this?
[23:11] <bonhoffer> or is there a command line tool that i can work with the monitors?
[23:12] <lordjj> Hello. Where do I find a conf file responsible for keyboard shortcuts?
[23:12] <bonhoffer> maybe xrandr
[23:13] <jhjh> I'm disappointed with ubuntu
[23:13] <gimpy135> On ubuntu 10.10 x64 how do I switch to lxde?  I installed the lxde package, rebooted, but I'm still in gnome.
[23:13] <jhjh> it spoiled itself again
[23:13] <jhjh> right after install
[23:14] <lordjj> gimpy135 on login, there should be an option
[23:14] <EvilResistance> gimpy135:  you need to specify, before submitting your password at login, what environment you want to use.
[23:14] <jhjh> like damned windows 95
[23:14] <EvilResistance> gimpy135:  at the bar at the bottom.  should say Session:
[23:14] <bonhoffer> anyway - i wrote this up here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/77173/hd-3000-graphics-on-ubuntu-11-10/77181#77181
[23:14] <jhjh> i cannot reinstall os each two days
[23:14] <gimpy135> EvilResistance: There was no option at login.
[23:14] <EvilResistance> gimpy135:  it will be at the bar on the bottom.  been there since 10.04
[23:14] <EvilResistance> gimpy135:  actually its been there since earlier
[23:15] <EvilResistance> gimpy135:  after you choose your user, look at the bottom of the screen
[23:15] <gimpy135> EvilResistance: Where exactly?  Other buttons where there but nothing that let me select lxde.
[23:15] <EvilResistance> there should be a bar going the entire way across.
[23:15] <somsip> gimpy135: If you have auto-sign on without password, you won't see it. Worth checking
[23:15] <gimpy135> ok, I;ll look again.
[23:16] <jhjh> help?
[23:16] <jhjh> DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
[23:16] <jhjh> DISTRIB_RELEASE=11.10
[23:16] <jhjh> DISTRIB_CODENAME=oneiric
[23:16] <jhjh> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 11.10"
[23:16] <leex> hi, why do both my systems have the same hwaddr after upgrading from 11.04 to 11.10?
[23:17] <qin> jhjh: !paste !enter !offtopic /topic
[23:17] <qin> jhjh: May help...
[23:17] <lordjj> Where do I find a conf file responsible for keyboard shortcuts?
[23:18] <jhjh> i need it back
[23:18] <pushpop> if my shell freezes how do I restart it from command line
[23:18] <jhjh> now kernel segfaults
[23:18] <lordjj> pushpop do you want to restart the GUI?
[23:19] <pushpop> lordjj no
[23:19] <jhjh> 3.0.0-12-generic ubuntu SEGFAULTS
[23:19] <jhjh> just 2 days after install
[23:21] <ghulagab> Alder, wer will denn was von Euch, Ihr loser!
[23:23] <jhjh> why no help?
[23:23] <escott> !patience | jhjh
[23:24] <notlistening> jhjh: normally there is a hardware issue if your are getting corruption
[23:24] <jhjh> i don't buy that hardware excuses
[23:25] <notlistening> jhjh: try running dmesg and having a look
[23:25] <lufi> hello .is there any way you can clone your current wubi installation?
[23:25] <notlistening> jhjh: then buy a new computer with windows or MacOS
[23:26] <jhjh> notlistening, which dmesg?? haven't you read?
[23:26] <escott> lufi, what do you mean clone?
[23:26] <lordjj> Where do I find a conf file responsible for keyboard shortcuts?
[23:27] <notlistening> jhjh: have you run on the recovery console?
[23:27] <lufi> like creating an installation disk of your curernt packages. so that you dont need to download it all over again
[23:27] <notlistening> jhjh: Otherwise run a live CD
[23:27] <jhjh> and...
[23:28] <lufi> and also .so when i install it to another pc .it has all the other stuff and settings so i don;t need to configure everything all over again
[23:28] <escott> !clone | lufi
[23:28] <notlistening> jhjh: look out for some error like messages :P You are running linux remember
[23:28] <sandbox1> lufi: maybe you should try UCK
[23:29]  * lufi googling UCK
[23:29] <lordjj> lufi  afaik, a wubi install is entirely found inside a folder on an ntfs partition called ubuntu. I wonder if you install wubi on another machine and then replace the ubuntu folder what would happen :P
[23:30] <lufi> i like to a livecd thing. wubi suddenly has some glitches. i hate to lose all me work .i was lucky i solved that 'cannot find GLDR' thing xD
[23:30] <notlistening> Any ideas why i am not getting all the files asscoated with the package I am installing?
[23:30] <jhjh> it has no any errors
[23:31] <jhjh> just segfaults and panics leaving no records
[23:31] <notlistening> jhjh: how did you come to that conclusion
[23:31] <jhjh> which conclusion
[23:32] <notlistening> can you choose the recovery option in grub?
[23:32] <jhjh> no I cannot, that kernel is alone
[23:32] <notlistening> jhjh and you have installed Ubuntu or..?
[23:32] <jhjh> idiotic dmesg log even has no date or time
[23:33] <escott> lordjj, for unity check ccsm. but there is not a file anywhere to my knowledge
[23:33] <jhjh> i pasted exactly what I installed
[23:33] <polepole> http//:xdcc_cancell_x1320793432
[23:33] <lordjj> escott actually for gnome
[23:33] <notlistening> jhjh sorry i was not watching ;P
[23:33] <lufi> hmm this UCK thing looks likethe answer to me problems .thanks guys :)
[23:33] <jhjh> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 11.10"
[23:33] <escott> lordjj, gnome3 or gnome2
[23:33] <lordjj> escott gnome 2
[23:34] <notlistening> okay jhjh got it :)
[23:34] <jhjh> maybe I should pass some proprietary parameters to kernel to stop it from segfaulting?
[23:34] <ghulagab> Was für ein kleinkariertes gentoo Arschloch
[23:34] <escott> lordjj, i know they can be found in gconf-editor under metacity. there probably is another way, but its been a long time since ive used gnome2
[23:35] <robertzaccour> how do I change my startup sound from the jumanji sound to something else?
[23:35] <escott> !de | ghulagab
[23:35] <notlistening> Anyone else in the room, why would have not have to recovery console installed under grub?
[23:35] <jhjh> real linux can boot bare, apparently proprietary ubuntuTMR cannot
[23:35] <shh3> .
[23:36] <escott> notlistening, the grub menu is hidden by default on single boot systems. you have to press some key to get the menu, is that your question?
[23:36] <MrKeuner> hello, I do not see an entry in /etc/fstab for the internal secondary disk I have, but it is mounted on boot, where else can I see the automount directives in?
[23:36] <escott> MrKeuner, have you checked the uuids from blkid
[23:37] <jhjh> i want to know PROPRIETARY kernel parameters to make ubuntuTM to BOOT without SEGFAULTS in init!
[23:38] <notlistening> escott, not really as he seems to say there is only one option in his grub boot menu unless he is not sure what i mean
[23:38] <jhjh> i have free grub 0.97, not some proprieatary ubuntu junk
[23:38] <escott> !attitude | jhjh
[23:38] <jhjh> sorry
[23:39] <escott> jhjh, it would be helpful to have a better understanding of what is causing the panic. do you see any identifiable strings fly past?
[23:39] <jhjh> escott, it's segfault in init
[23:39] <escott> jhjh, so its not a panic
[23:39] <yagoo> jhjh, yuck
[23:40] <jhjh> then 'attempted to kill init' panic follows
[23:40] <ghulagab> ubottu:fick dich!
[23:40] <yagoo> jhjh, your kernel is f'ed
[23:40] <MrKeuner> escott, no and not sure how to do that
[23:40] <yagoo> jhjh, you needed to apply the ubuntu diffs/patches against any vanilla kernel
[23:40] <MrKeuner> escott, blkid /dev/scd1 does not help
[23:40] <escott> MrKeuner, fstab entries are by uuid, not device name. run blkid to identify what sdc1 is
[23:40] <jhjh> i have real proprietary ubuntu 3.0.1-12 kernel
[23:41] <jhjh> vmlinuz-3.0.0-12-generic
[23:41] <yagoo> jhjh, you mean chocolate or modded.. i wouldn't call it proprietary
[23:41] <notlistening> for some reason the words propietary and ubuntu don't go together quite right :P
[23:41] <escott> jhjh, you can try and modify your grub boot options to include single or text as you prefer, but i havent used grub1 in years so I dont know the grub menu editing commands for grub1
[23:42] <notlistening> e when your on the menu, might be totally wrong with that
[23:43] <MrKeuner> escott, had to use sudo blkid... Now I can see the uuid of the device that is auto mounted, however, that UUID is not in my /etc/fstab
[23:43] <escott> MrKeuner, if blkid is being silent try sudo blkid.
[23:43] <jhjh> ok how to boot it most safely?
[23:44] <MrKeuner> escott, is there a secondary registry for automounts?
[23:44] <OliveGreen> Hi all.
[23:44] <escott> MrKeuner, then it is being mounted by udisks. usually that would require a hotplug or your going into naulitus and clicking on the disak
[23:44] <notlistening> Hi OliveGreen
[23:45] <jhjh> what kernel parameters uses ubuntu with grub2?
[23:45] <escott> jhjh, see if you can boot to singlwe
[23:45] <OliveGreen> I am currently using the Gnome Shell instead of Unity, and would like to make it the default interface (i.e: So, that I don't have to always manually choose it in the login screen). How do I do that?
[23:45] <bsmith093> is this serious? dpkg: warning: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 1609 package 'gpodder-gpodder':
[23:46] <jhjh> escott, which parameter is that?
[23:47] <escott> jhjh single instead of quiet you could also try ro recovery nomodeset
[23:47] <OliveGreen> notlistening, I am currently using the Gnome Shell instead of Unity, and would like to make it the default interface (i.e: So, that I don't have to always manually choose it in the login screen). How do I do that?
[23:48] <MrKeuner> escott, actually I have two disks, one internal connected via SATA which doesn't require clicking, other external connected via usb requires the click, trying to make that a without click...
[23:48] <escott> OliveGreen, it doesnt remember the last used one?
[23:48] <yagoo> OliveGreen, i dont think you can autologin with non-unity with lightdm
[23:48] <yagoo> (lightdm is the default logon screen manageR)
[23:48] <escott> MrKeuner, if you want it to automount add it to fstab
[23:49] <OliveGreen> escott, Well, that's what should happen, but every time it logs in, it automatically chooses Unity. I wonder if there's a way to change that.. :\
[23:49] <MrKeuner> escott, OK but do I need to modify anything at the udisks level too?
[23:49] <escott> MrKeuner, no
[23:49] <MrKeuner> escott, all right, thanks for help
[23:49] <yagoo> anyone here done raid?
[23:49] <escott> OliveGreen, then the accountsservice daemon is not picking up your preference
[23:50] <escott> !anyone | yagoo
[23:50] <jhjh> let;s seee
[23:50] <yagoo> escott, you're really fast on garbage.
[23:50] <yagoo> pff
[23:50] <OliveGreen> escott, I see. So, how do we make it pick it up?
[23:51] <yagoo> escott is a troll.
[23:51] <escott> OliveGreen, that i dont know make sure it is running for one
[23:52] <yagoo> OliveGreen, BUDDY. I've tried this a couple of weeks ago. And someone else as well. You can't autologin with nonunity using lightdm (which is the default logon manager)
[23:52] <conntrack> haha, that won't be happening again
[23:53] <OliveGreen> yagoo, so then I should change the logon manager in order for this to work, right?
[23:53] <yagoo> OliveGreen, you may with gdm. But this means you have to install gdm.
[23:53] <yagoo> OliveGreen, I can't guarantee it. But that's what I would try.. but lightdm won't let you
[23:54] <jayar> how do i remove the bar on the left?
[23:54] <shh3> j
[23:54] <jayar> or hide it
[23:54] <qin> yagoo: In lightdm config you can specify default session.
[23:54] <OliveGreen> yagoo, That's really dumb, to be honest. : \
[23:54] <conntrack> Shit, how do I know what is going on :(
[23:54] <jhjh> no dice
[23:54] <itchee> hey, got a  question about connecting two computers, via serial ports. i have them connected and working {ubuntu using minicom on one, winxp with hyperterminal on ther other). I can type between the two, but here's what iam looking for!   I have an ubuntu installer that complains it only supports 10.04 LTS when I run it.  I am currently running 11.10.  Is there any convenient way to trick the installer in to thinking my system is 10.04?
[23:55] <HrznDefeated> An application installer that is
[23:56] <jhjh> itchee, you need install SLIP protocol in XP and use telnet
[23:56] <phong__> hi guys, how to setup sftp server?
[23:56] <itchee> this is to simulate a projector responding to me over the serial port. i am tring to write a small app to control the projector, and the projector will repeat what ever i send to it, which will help me insure that my program is working
[23:56] <yagoo> phong__, no need to set that up! just install ssh, and sftp is ready..
[23:56] <phong__> yeah how?
[23:57] <phong__> not i'm that good on ubuntu
[23:57] <yagoo> phong__, just install ssh.
[23:57] <phong__> how to install ssh?
[23:57] <yagoo> phong__, there's many clients that can do sftp.. filezilla ...
[23:57] <yagoo> phong__, use your package manager
[23:57] <phong__> i did install filezilla , but dont know how to setup sftp on it
[23:57] <phong__> i installed it on windows
[23:57] <itchee> jhjh, slip will not help in my case, because the CPU>Projector connection is RS232
[23:58] <yagoo> phong__, can you at least know how to do an ssh shell?
[23:58] <phong__> nope i dont'
[23:58] <yagoo> phong__, well did you even install ssh ?
[23:58] <phong__> i dont know what it is
[23:58] <yagoo> !ssh
[23:58] <itchee> Is the some type of program out there to do this? i am thinking along the lines of old school bbs?
[23:58] <phong__> can i install it with command?
[23:59] <yagoo> sftp runs under ssh (it's a subsystem)
[23:59] <yagoo> phong__, ya..
[23:59] <phong__> ok i have terminal open
[23:59] <phong__> what do i type in?
[23:59] <_spt_> phong__ : see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=429783#post429783
[23:59] <jhjh> itchee, you need null-modem connection to pass TCP/IP data by serial line
[23:59] <yagoo> phong__, try the obvious
[23:59] <phong__> sudo apt install ssh ?
[23:59] <conntrack> !telnet-ssl
[23:59] <yagoo> hmm
[23:59] <yagoo> it's apt-get
[23:59] <phong__> oh
[23:59] <phong__> thanks let me try
[23:59] <jhjh> windows xp has no command shell which uses serial line, only telnel which uses tcp/ip


[08:30] <march0> Hello, I have a race issue between  Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS cloudinit & unattended-upgr. Basically, my cloudinit is mime multipart of several yaml with repo_update: true & some package list, and sometimes, unattended-upgrades decides to kick in and get the /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend.
[08:30] <march0> and ofc, cloudinit fails
[08:51] <march0> is this a known behavior ? or should I fill a bug. So far didn't find any existing bug or related documentation
[09:14] <tribaal> march0: this sounds similar to https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1827204
[09:27] <march0> it's similar, but in my case, I would expect that cloud-init detects unattended-upgrade (that seems to be randomly started, as the issue is not easily reproducible), and wait for the dpkg lock to be release
[09:27] <march0> *d
[09:28] <march0> because runcmd depends on packages statement, so the provisioning is completely failed
[14:51] <Odd_Bloke> march0: Hmm, I'm honestly surprised we don't already have a bug filed for this, but I can't find one.  A bug report (via https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+filebug) would be great!
[16:20] <kryl> hi
[17:00] <powersj> question: does vendor data take priority over written cloud-config in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d?
[17:00] <powersj> i.e. I modify an image to create a user in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d, but then vendor data comes in with its own cloud-config and defines its own users
[17:15] <march0> Odd_Bloke, this is very similar to https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/315502/how-to-disable-apt-daily-service-on-ubuntu-cloud-vm-image/474024 & https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/5659, but it breaks completely package install on fresh ubuntu at 7% rate (estimated)
[17:15] <march0> I start usually around 30 ec2 instances to get 1 or 2 failures
[17:20] <Odd_Bloke> march0: Right, which is why I'm surprised we don't have a bug already. :)  Both the apt-daily services have a randomised wait time from boot, so it makes sense that you'd only see a proportion fail (those where $random_wait is less than the time your config takes to apply).
[17:21] <Odd_Bloke> We do have Before=apt-daily.service, I wonder if we're missing Before=apt-daily-upgrade.service?
[17:21] <Odd_Bloke> Hmm, though apt-daily-upgrade.service does have After=apt-daily.service (on my groovy machine, at least).
[17:25] <march0> I've been trying some workarounds with bootcmd but no luck so far. It's quite hard to wait or stop the unattended-upgrades, even in cloud-init early stage
[17:44] <Odd_Bloke> march0: So I wouldn't expect you to need to workaround this issue, we've already fixed it once: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1693361.  If you file a bug and attach the output of `cloud-init collect-logs` on an affected system, we can dig into what's happening on your system, and figure out the root cause. :)
[17:45] <Odd_Bloke> (I did not search for apt-daily previously; I _knew_ I'd seen a bug for this.)
[20:30] <Odd_Bloke> falcojr: So you're certainly not wrong that SSHing into LXDs is much slower than exec'ing, but a large part of that is due to this one sleep: https://github.com/canonical/pycloudlib/blob/1ac9d4c82fdfd5cb1407f70b8a2b17e02953569d/pycloudlib/lxd/instance.py#L85
[20:31] <Odd_Bloke> Unless LXD is incredibly fast, we'll miss finding an IP first time around, so this basically guarantees a 20s sleep before attempting to SSH into LXDs.
[20:31] <falcojr> sleep 20??? That's...a bit much
[20:33] <Odd_Bloke> Yeah, if I drop that to a 1, then it's more like 6s to run the first command via SSH.
[20:36] <falcojr> also, the original "_wait_for_cloudinit" that was probably still around when they reported long wait times used increasing sleep times
[20:37] <falcojr> there's also a ssh connect sleep that waits 10 seconds before trying again
[20:39] <rharper> Could you exec into the instance to find out if networking is up?
[20:39] <Odd_Bloke> Yeah, I tried that one first and it had no effect: the 20s sleep happens before it, so by the time we're trying to SSH connect, SSH has been up for (20 - 6)s.
[20:41] <Odd_Bloke> rharper: The context here is we're trying to decide what the appropriate default access method for LXD is: our existing understanding is that SSHing was much slower, so we were leaning towards `exec` for pragmatic reasons (we run these tests all the time, so saving 15s per test run will add up very fast).  However, I then noticed that we were, suspiciously, taking 21-22s to SSH in every time, so went
[20:41] <Odd_Bloke> digging.
[20:42] <rharper> huh
[20:44] <Odd_Bloke> I suspect some of these timeout values are more sensible in the context of LXD VMs, but they're applied to containers too.


[11:57] <waldo323> looking at the article from yesterday, are some of the items in the article in fact true or is it all made up?
[11:58] <waldo323> article from jrwren : http://www.bfilipek.com/2018/04/deprecating-pointers.html#
[12:42] <jrwren> AFAIK all of the items are true except for the main point of deprecating pointers.
[12:44] <jrwren> weak_ptr, optional, reference_wrapper, not_null, unique_ptr, shared_ptr are all in std or common ext lib and recommended to use over raw pointers wherever possible.
[12:44] <jrwren> shared_ptr in particular is the "use all" tool recommended these days.
[15:10] <waldo323> thanks jrwren it got me thinking how the most believable lies include a lot of truth
[15:17] <jrwren> well heck waldo323, you just described USA politics
[15:32] <waldo323> I've been well saturated
[15:36] <cmaloney> heh
[15:37] <cmaloney> crap w/ kernels pretty much describes a lot of shit
[19:14] <jrwren> rick_h_: if you didn't know. I won the canonical NCAA bracket that Robbie runs. \m/  :)
[19:14] <jrwren> even with the last game not played.
[19:26] <waldo323> jrwren for the win!
[19:29] <_stink_> sportsball expert!
[20:23] <daemoneye> T-minus 7:15 for another space x launch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3niFzo5VLI
[20:24] <jrwren> anything new or special about this one? will there be fairing retreval attempt?
[20:24] <daemoneye> There will be no recovery of the first stage as they are trying a new return setup
[20:27] <jrwren> oh? interesting!
[20:27] <daemoneye> Yep


[00:21] <jscinoz> hmm
[00:22] <jscinoz> looks like someone misspelled cache in the description of the packagekit packages :P
[01:53]  * nhandler is away: Away
[02:13]  * nhandler_AFK is back (gone 00:20:39)
[02:20] <marnold> hmmm
[02:21] <marnold> opps sorry erong window
[02:21] <marnold> wrong*
[04:02]  * nhandler is away: Away
[04:32] <Hobbsee> bah.  jono's gone
[04:33] <ajmitch> given the time, I'm not surprised
[04:35] <Hobbsee> well it was 7.36am local time of the ping
[04:37] <ajmitch> maybe he looked at the thread on ubuntu-devel-discuss & gave up in despair
[04:37] <ajmitch> poor nixternal, being a microvell shill
[04:43] <ScottK> It was pretty ironic that he got singled out.
[04:44] <ajmitch> He dared to defend opensuse
[04:44] <ajmitch> That Mark Fink fellow does seem slightly irrational though
[04:45] <ScottK> For some large definition of slightly, yes.
[04:45] <persia> Could be a short definition too.  "very" works well.
[04:46] <ajmitch> well, it provided some entertainment this morning when I sat down to read email :)
[04:57] <jono> Hobbsee: ping?
[04:58] <ajmitch> ah, there he goes
[05:00] <ajmitch> Hobbsee was around just 25 minutes ago
[05:01] <LaserJock> man, I wonder what power that pointy stick of doom holds that she can summon people half a world away ;-)
[05:01] <ajmitch> It can even summon people from on vacation
[05:01] <jono> heh
[05:01] <persia> ajmitch: Never underestimate the power of the Long Pointy Stick
[05:02] <Hobbsee> jono: pong
[05:02] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: hah.  it's very powerful.
[05:02] <jono> Hobbsee: :)
[05:02]  * ScottK considers popcorn.
[05:03] <ajmitch> persia: it's certainly scary, that's for sure
[05:04] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: it's been known to almost set someone's house on fire, too
[05:04] <ajmitch> uh oh
[05:05]  * ajmitch had better get home quick
[05:09]  * imbrandon hides his flamable house
[05:10] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you have an *in*flammible house?
[05:11] <imbrandon> nope the stick could bring its wrath down on it if wanted, thus i hid it
[05:12] <ajmitch> hello imbrandon
[05:12] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch
[05:12]  * imbrandon replaced his xbox with ubuntu+xbmc :)
[06:58] <dholbach> good morning
[07:01] <ajmitch> hi dholbach
[07:01] <dholbach> hi ajmitch
[07:08] <geser> good morning dholbach
[07:08] <dholbach> hi geser
[07:13] <nxvl> morning!
[07:13] <nxvl> dholbach: i was looking for you
[07:14] <dholbach> hi nxvl
[07:14] <nxvl> dholbach: did you have the gobby document we use on the Packaging Jam on Prague?
[07:14] <nxvl> i going to run some packaging Jams here
[07:14] <nxvl> and i want to merge some docs
[07:14] <dholbach> nxvl: no I'm sorry - I didn't save it
[07:14] <nxvl> to prepare my material
[07:14] <dholbach> nxvl: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/HandsOn should be a good start though
[07:14] <nxvl> mm
[07:15] <nxvl> dholbach: yes, i was looking at this doc, i just want some more for the examples
[07:15] <dholbach> nxvl: try fixing a bitesize bug
[07:16] <nxvl> dholbach: yep, i will
[07:16] <nxvl> if i have time
[07:16] <nxvl> since it's a conference i have been invited i don't know how much time i have
[07:16] <nxvl> i'm going to have some sleep
[07:16] <dholbach> nxvl: I'm sure it's going to be great! :)
[07:16] <nxvl> see you later!
[07:17] <nxvl> dholbach: i hope!
[07:17]  * dholbach hugs nxvl
[07:17]  * nxvl HUGS dholbach back
[07:36] <\sh> why nobody tells me, that I'm now a member of motu sru team?
[07:37] <persia> \sh: Well, you're supposed to be subscribed to ubuntu-motu@ ...
[07:37] <\sh> persia: it's monday morning...and I'm trying to catch up
[07:37] <\sh> :)
[08:04] <\sh> hmm....
[08:09] <\sh> I shouldn't read email in the morning...
[08:12] <theseinfeld> anybody up for http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=libdc1394-22
[08:13] <theseinfeld> revu?
[08:15] <theseinfeld> anybody?
[08:15] <theseinfeld> :D
[08:15]  * theseinfeld feeling anxious today...
[08:17] <theseinfeld> dholbach? :)
[08:18] <dholbach> hiya theseinfeld
[08:18] <theseinfeld> lool LucidFox Hobbsee persia? It should be quite ready by now...
[08:18] <theseinfeld> howdy ho :)
[08:18] <theseinfeld> how is your monday morning dholbach :)
[08:19] <dholbach> theseinfeld: fine, but quite busy
[08:19] <persia> theseinfeld: Why ping us?
[08:19] <Hobbsee> theseinfeld: ?
[08:19] <theseinfeld> damn, mine is quite quiet :) dholbach. Well, I guess I can wait for a better morning :)
[08:20] <theseinfeld> You were reviewing the package earlier... Thought to give it a try since is there, dead since the feature freeze :)
[08:20] <LucidFox> hello theseinfeld
[08:20] <theseinfeld> hell o LucidFox
[08:20] <LucidFox> I'll review your package when I have some free time - which I currently don't have, sorry
[08:21] <theseinfeld> ok
[08:21]  * Hobbsee doesn't recall reviewing it, per se.
[08:22]  * theseinfeld might be wrong. He must recall the name from some other things...
[08:23] <persia> theseinfeld: I still don't see the point of parallel source packages, especially for a new cycle.
[08:23] <theseinfeld> it was well explained...
[08:24] <theseinfeld> basically, to put it short, until we get all the rdeps to change to new one, we have to use both
[08:24] <theseinfeld> there are big packages like mplayer and blender
[08:25] <theseinfeld> I don't think I can get those guys to change the dependency to the new API in one increment :)
[08:26]  * theseinfeld wonders as persia
[08:26] <theseinfeld> perisia, you in Tokyo?
[08:26]  * lool waves
[08:27] <persia_> theseinfeld: The point is that for intrepid, there's absolutely no value to releasing in the middle of a transition.  Just push the updated API with the new binary package name, and rebuild all the rdepends.
[08:27] <persia_> For Hardy, it made some sense, as the package was being discussed late in the cycle.
[08:28] <theseinfeld> it will not work
[08:28] <theseinfeld> the rdepends
[08:28] <theseinfeld> to rebuild
[08:28] <theseinfeld> it has a different API
[08:28] <theseinfeld> ABI
[08:28] <theseinfeld> everything is changed in the new package
[08:28] <theseinfeld> well, almost
[08:28] <theseinfeld> so...
[08:28] <persia> theseinfeld: Right, so we port it.
[08:29] <theseinfeld> I have no power to rebuild all the rdepends
[08:29] <theseinfeld> :D
[08:29] <theseinfeld> and the idea was to have them both working together
[08:29] <persia> theseinfeld: As much as you have power to include a package.
[08:29] <theseinfeld> the new one will work later also with the Juju stack in the kernel
[08:29] <persia> Right, so let's just use the new one
[08:29]  * persia wants more juju
[08:30] <theseinfeld> it is like saying lets just use KDE4
[08:30] <theseinfeld> you still can go one round in parallel
[08:30] <persia> theseinfeld: Right, and for intrepid, we are saying that.
[08:30] <theseinfeld> yes, persia, it was quite an effort to get it run in parallel
[08:31] <persia> I guess they could be in parallel.  I just don't see the point.
[08:31] <theseinfeld> LOL
[08:31] <theseinfeld> the point is that we cannot just take the old one yet
[08:31]  * Hobbsee beats persia with a stick.
[08:31] <persia> OK.  When you introduce a source package for a library with changed binary package names, the rdepends show on NBS.
[08:31] <Hobbsee> persia: now you're green.  stop it.  go back to light blue.
[08:32] <persia> Then, it just takes clearing NBS.
[08:32] <persia> Hobbsee: I can be any color I want!
[08:32] <Hobbsee> persia: no you can't!
[08:32]  * Hobbsee gets out the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!™
[08:32] <persia> theseinfeld: As proof of concept, try the rdepends builds in a PPA.  I suspect that the failures ought be easy to clean.
[08:33] <persia> Further, I'd rather consider them bugs.  We still ship wx2.4, which is unfixable outside en_US, as a result of trying to have things in parallel.
[08:33] <Hobbsee> \o/.  persia is now light blue again.
[08:33]  * persia is *always* in awe of the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!™
[08:34] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:34]  * theseinfeld is confused...so which colour is the package then?
[08:35] <persia> theseinfeld: packages don't have colours, although they may be components of flavours
[08:35] <theseinfeld> LOL
[08:36] <theseinfeld> seriously, persia, I don't think there is going to be easy way with rdepends as the library is completely rewritten. I mean, there are different headers, different API, different functions, structures
[08:36] <theseinfeld> I can try, and if it fails :)
[08:36] <theseinfeld> then, what do I get?
[08:37] <theseinfeld> persia, what is the price? Can I be yellow :)
[08:37] <dave_> interested in MOTU!
[08:37] <persia> dave_: What do you like to do?
[08:37] <dave_> Beryl-Compiz
[08:37] <persia> theseinfeld: Sure.  It requires porting some apps.  Why not do it between now and September?
[08:38] <persia> dave_: Hmm.  I didn't think we shipped that anymore.  How about just compiz?
[08:38] <dave_> Have no Idea were to start! Kinda of a newbie.
[08:39] <dave_> I find Beryl easier to use. Have Issues getting compiz to work well!
[08:39] <persia> dave_: Well, MOTU is resposible for the Universe and Multiverse repositories.  With the help of about 300 other people (of which you could be one), we try to fix all the outstanding bugs, handle library transitions, ensure everything can install, and generally keep the software up-to-date.
[08:39] <theseinfeld> persia, did you check that debian has it like this?
[08:39] <theseinfeld> http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libdc1394-22
[08:40] <persia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing has some hints to get you started.  Basically, pick a package, fix it, and get it into the repos.  Then find another package.
[08:40] <dave_> Ok i'll give that a try thanks!
[08:40] <theseinfeld> maybe dave_ could do the blender with libdc1394-22
[08:40] <theseinfeld> :D
[08:40] <persia> theseinfeld: I didn't.  I still don't agree it should be a separate source package.  Further, if Debian has it like that, I don't see any point to something on REVU: hasn't it already been sync'd from Debian?
[08:41] <theseinfeld> nope
[08:41] <theseinfeld> it was not sync'ed as they got it a bit wrong, and since I couldn't get it through to them, I wanted to get through to ubuntu
[08:42]  * persia looks at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdc1394-22 , and doesn't trust that assertion.
[08:42] <persia> Mind you, I still think it's wrong, but that argument is apparently already lost...
[08:43] <theseinfeld> so, all my effort is gone the drains?
[08:43]  * theseinfeld is totally confussed now...
[08:45] <persia> theseinfeld: Submit a patch against the current libdc1394-22 in intrepid.
[08:47] <theseinfeld> where to? persia
[08:48] <persia> theseinfeld: If you want to implement a change, submit a patch against the current package in intrepid.
[08:48] <theseinfeld> to the libdc1394 project?
[08:48] <persia> To a bug in launchpad against the libdc1394-22 source
[08:48] <theseinfeld> all righty then
[08:49] <persia> For best chance of success, submit the patch in debdiff format against an update, and subscribe the universe sponsors.
[08:49] <devfil> anyone can review a package on REVU?
[08:49] <persia> devfil: Anyone can review a package, but not everyone can advocate.
[08:51] <devfil> Someone can review and advocate a package in REVU?
[08:52] <persia> devfil: If you're seeking review, best to include the URL to the package, and the number of current advocates.
[08:52] <devfil> persia: I wrote bad
[08:52] <persia> devfil: No worries :)
[08:52] <devfil> persia: is a new package
[08:52] <devfil> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=galaxium
[09:08] <theseinfeld> persia, can you help me with the debdiff bug reporting?
[09:09] <persia> theseinfeld: What sort of help do you require?
[09:09] <theseinfeld> ok
[09:09] <theseinfeld> so, I am the maintainer in launchpad for the libdc1394 project which is related to the libdc1394
[09:09] <theseinfeld> now
[09:10] <theseinfeld> report bug, what do I fill there to get into the right place for the source?
[09:10] <theseinfeld> like, https://edge.launchpad.net/libdc1394/+filebug-advanced
[09:10] <persia> You want soemthing like https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdc1394-22/+filebug-advanced.
[09:11] <persia> It's important that it gets filed against the Ubuntu project if you want to change something in Ubuntu, and important that you use the correct source name (as we have this split, especially designed to support lazy upstreams)
[09:12] <theseinfeld> it won't be lazy if I am in
[09:12] <theseinfeld> :D
[09:12] <theseinfeld> do I need any tags there?
[09:13] <persia> theseinfeld: Not specifically you, but all the various applications for whom porting will now not be RC for intrepid, as the old API is still available.
[09:15] <theseinfeld> persia, you mean rdepends?
[09:15] <persia> theseinfeld: precisely
[09:16] <theseinfeld> apt-cache rdepends libdc1394-13, persia, to be more prcise, for the old library and not for the new -22 library
[09:16] <persia> theseinfeld: It doesn't matter, as we have two source packages.  I'd like to see libdc1394-13 dropped, end encourage anything towards that goal.
[09:18] <theseinfeld> ok, so it is better to include every old rdepends to get people acknowledge the new upstream API
[09:19] <persia> theseinfeld: For what?  Now I'm afraid I've confused you.
[09:19] <theseinfeld> for the tags in the bug report
[09:19] <theseinfeld> :D
[09:19] <persia> You don't need any tags (I think)
[09:20] <theseinfeld> persia, do you agree that I should put all the rdepends pkgs ?
[09:20] <persia> theseinfeld: For what?
[09:20] <theseinfeld> OK
[09:20] <theseinfeld> no, I got it all wrong
[09:20] <theseinfeld> I asked if I need any tags and you answer something that left me think I should use the apps from rdepends
[09:20] <theseinfeld> ;D
[09:21]  * theseinfeld too fast...
[09:23] <theseinfeld> persia, check this out: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdc1394-22/+bug/238492
[09:23] <huats> morning everyone
[09:26] <persia> theseinfeld: 1) Possible improvements: describe the specific improvements from using the changes in the bug description, 2) try to find something a little more "in-between" for a candidate (as that's a massive diff, and some to no clear benefit (e.g. CDBS)
[09:28] <theseinfeld> persia, you mean I should add those?
[09:29] <persia> theseinfeld: I was thinking more in terms of modification than addition, but it would increase the chances that such a change would be accepted.
[09:35] <theseinfeld> added some comments
[09:35] <theseinfeld> check again bug 238492
[09:36] <theseinfeld> persia, have to go lunch...
[09:36] <theseinfeld> persia see you after...
[09:57] <sistpoty|work> hi folks
[09:58] <\sh> moins sistpoty|work
[09:58] <sistpoty|work> hi \sh
[10:29] <devfil> Someone can review galaxium package on REVU? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=galaxium
[10:43] <devfil> Someone can review galaxium package on REVU? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=galaxium
[10:47] <persia> devfil: I'd encourage you not to ask about a given package more than once a day.
[10:47] <persia> Some people use this as a criteria for packages to skip.
[10:47] <devfil> persia: ok
[10:47] <persia> Also, be especially careful when there isn't much other traffic in the channel: some people mute parts/joins and so they see things as duplicate.
[10:47] <sebner> persia: I love and I hate you :P
[10:49] <persia> sebner: Then I'm doing things correctly :)  (cf. De Principatibus)
[10:50] <sebner> persia: hrhr. nexuiz \o/,  but less time for school ^^
[11:20] <theseinfeld> persia, I am back...
[12:26] <\sh> guys, is anyone familiar with ggz and especially ggz-config?
[13:16] <devfil> Someone can review galaxium package on REVU? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=galaxium
[13:25] <x_dimitri> Hi guys, I'm an ubuntu enthusiast and would like to get involved with ubuntu as a contributing developer. I have read the docs on wiki.ubuntu.com and would like practical advice on skills to master (programming language(s), paradigms, e.t.c, - anything you deem useful/important) in order to get involved. What say ye?
[13:26] <persia> x_dimitri: It really depends on what you want to do.
[13:26] <persia> If you want to maintain packages, the best skills to develop are make and shell.
[13:26] <persia> Beyond that familiarity with any and all programming languages is beneficial.
[13:27] <persia> As is an understanding of how the various bits fit together into the whole.
[13:28] <persia> As a way to get started, I'd recommend looking through triaged bugs.  When you find one you understand, develop a solution.  After a few of these, the answers you get here, and the things you research towards a solution will probably help guide your next bug.
[13:29] <x_dimitri> persia: ok...
[13:29] <persia> x_dimitri: Good luck, and please ask if you have any questions.  We're generally glad to help, although more likely to provide pointers to things than actually explain them.
[13:30] <x_dimitri> persia: yup, I noticed that
[13:31] <x_dimitri> I guess go through the wiki again, but what I seem to understand so far, is that bug reporting is the only way in... i.e. as an Ubuntero..
[13:31] <x_dimitri> is that correct?
[13:32] <joaopinto> you can report bugs, fix bugs, update packages, etc
[13:35] <x_dimitri> joaopinto: it appears there's different levels of involvement: ubuntero, motu, e.t.c
[13:38] <persia> x_dimitri: There are different levels of involvement, but aside from "Ubuntero", all are granted as recognition of past work done.
[13:38] <persia> The first step is to declare yourself bound by the code of conduct, and beholden to the Community Council (Ubuntero).
[13:38] <persia> That done, you are welcome to do anything, and if you do it well, your work will become part of Ubuntu.
[13:38] <persia> With a body of well-done work, you may be granted additional roles or titles.
[13:42] <x_dimitri> persia: ok, thank you
[13:43] <x_dimitri> How is that declaration done? I didn't find any web-based means to do this (a form maybe). There was a document that was meant to be downloaded... Could you point me in the right direction?
[13:44] <persia> x_dimitri: Download and sign the Code of Conduct from your launchpad account.  Be sure that you take care to keep your GPG key once you've done so, as GPG is used for authentication in a number of places.
[13:48] <x_dimitri> persia: ok, thank you.
[13:48]  * ScottK suggests reading it before you sign it.
[13:48] <ScottK> ;-)
[13:49] <x_dimitri> ScottK: :-)
[13:55] <mouz> I fixed bug 198292. Would anyone like to sponsor it as an update? I posted the debdiff in launchpad.
[14:03] <persia> mouz: Generally it's best practice to attach debdiffs for both the current development release and an SRU candidate.  I'd recommend ubuntu0.1 for hardy and ubuntu1 for intrepid: beyond that the fix ought be essentially the same.
[14:03] <persia> Also, motu-sry has yet to indicate whether this patch is acceptable for upload.  Until that happens, it will not be uploaded to hardy-proposed.
[14:10] <leonel> ScottK: clamav 0.93.1   is out ...
[14:14] <mouz> persia: ok thanks. I will create those.
[14:18] <popey> if I do "apt-get build-dep firefox", and then later want to remove those build-deps, what apt incantation can i use?
[14:24] <gnomefreak> popey: deborphan?
[14:24] <gnomefreak> there is no apt removal for build-deps
[14:24] <\sh> grmpf..
[14:25] <\sh> has anyone problems with mono on intrepid?
[14:25] <\sh> looks like mono is somehow b0rked
[14:26] <popey> hmm, thats a shame
[14:30] <gnomefreak> popey: i have seen them show up in autoremove but i dont remember what triggers it
[14:31] <gnomefreak> \sh: mono is used system wide can you give an example?
[14:32] <gnomefreak> popey: pbuilder IIRC removes them once package is done but i dont use pbuilder i use chroots
[14:32] <popey> problem is if you used neither, you have lots of build deps kicking around
[14:32] <popey> and no way to identify / remove them easily
[14:33] <gnomefreak> maybe removing *.dev
[14:33] <\sh> gnomefreak: I'm trying to build muine
[14:33] <\sh> gnomefreak: and it failes because of not installable b-ds
[14:33] <gnomefreak> but that is a long shot, and you should always use one or the other when building packages since there is no easy way to remove the clutter
[14:34]  * \sh uses sbuild , as it's used by our buildds :)
[14:34] <gnomefreak> \sh: i havent tried to build anything with mono since most if not all mozilla apps dont use it
[14:35]  * nhandler_AFK is back (gone 10:32:19)
[14:37] <persia> popey: A recipe that works for me is to always use aptitude to install anything I want, and make everything else as automatically installed.  I only use apt-get for build-dep, so everything apt-get installed is automatically marked for removal next time I run aptitude.
[14:37] <popey> hmm
[14:37] <popey> thats an idea
[14:51] <ScottK> leonel: I saw.  Am about to look to see if there are any security fixes.
[14:53] <Hobbsee> nhandler: please turn off that away message
[14:54] <nhandler> Hobbsee, I think I disabled it now. It was an xchat setting
[14:54] <Hobbsee> nhandler: yeah, i realised.
[14:54] <Hobbsee> nhandler: thanks
[14:55] <nhandler> Hobbsee, np
[15:15] <ScottK> leonel: One security fix.  Do you have time to work on it?
[15:18] <leonel> ScottK: any cve ??
[15:18] <ScottK> leonel: Not that I can find.
[15:19] <leonel> ok  I'll check that
[15:19] <ScottK> Changelog says fix possible memory access and they committed it at the same time as the release, so it's a security fix.
[15:20] <leonel> libclamav/petite.c: fix possible invalid memory access (bb#1000)
[15:20] <leonel> 			Reported by Damian Put  <-- is this ??
[15:21] <ScottK> Yes.
[15:21] <ScottK> The bug is also marked private in their bugzilla.
[15:21] <leonel> ScottK: ok  I'll check it and see any diff with 0.93
[15:21] <ScottK> leonel: I've looked at the source already
[15:22] <ScottK> leonel: If you diff libclamav/petite.c between 0.93 and 0.93.1 you'll get a diff that looks like it will apply cleanly to our 0.92.1 package.
[15:22] <leonel> perfect !
[15:23] <leonel> ScottK:  I'll start workin on in in 2 hours   it's ok with you ??
[15:24] <ScottK> leonel: Yes.
[15:31] <ScottK> leonel: I'll file a bug for you to work on.
[15:31] <leonel> ScottK: ok
[15:38] <ScottK> leonel: Bug #238575 - The diff is in the bug, it just needs to be packages for each release.
[15:38] <leonel> ScottK:  Thanks ..
[15:38] <leonel> I start in 2hours
[15:39] <ScottK> Great.  I'm assigning it to you ....
[16:10] <lool> slangasek: w00t
[16:10] <lool> slangasek: Any idea why virtualbox-ose-modules is built against -17 in intrepid instead of -16?
[16:11] <lool> I'm adding lpia support to it, but it wont build for me as there's no -17 kernel package in intrepid
[16:12] <lool> slangasek: Also, I'd be tempted to do the same in hardy-proposed if you don't mind :)
[16:20] <lukehasnoname> any idea when soren will be on? PS
[16:20] <lukehasnoname> er, dang, wrong channel.
[16:24] <norsetto> TartePoireauxCra? TartePoireauxGras!?
[16:25] <norsetto> TartePoireauxCravattes!
[16:31]  * ScottK doesn't know what norsetto is one, but he might like to have some of it.
[16:32] <norsetto> ScottK: neah, I don't think you will like my version, huats one might be better
[16:32]  * Hobbsee force feeds ScottK automatix.
[16:32] <Hobbsee> (3)
[16:34] <huats> norsetto: :)
[16:34] <huats> sorry guys for the change of nick :)
[16:35] <huats> and it was TartePoireauxCrabe
[16:35] <huats> :)
[16:38] <norsetto> huats!!!
[16:38] <huats> norsetto !!!
[16:40]  * ScottK gets ill and spews
[17:24] <bddebian> Heya gang
[17:27] <slangasek> lool: er, no, I have no idea of anything wrt virtualbox-ose-modules in intrepid
[17:29] <lool> slangasek: Ok, ogra hinted me at you
[17:29] <lool> slangasek: Nevermind then; thanks
[17:30] <ogra> lool, i thought i saw a conversation about vbox last week, apparently wrongly, sorry
[17:30] <slangasek> sure, I had a conversation with blueyed about vbox in hardy-proposed...
[17:31] <ogra> yeah, thats what i meant
[17:31] <ogra> lool was asking why he didnt do a -19 instead
[17:32] <lool> I'll go and fix vbox in intrepid then
[17:32]  * sistpoty|work heads home... cya
[17:32] <slangasek> well, neither -17 nor -19 is present in intrepid currently
[17:33] <ogra> indeed
[17:33] <slangasek> so I don't know what the upload in intrepid is about at all
[17:33] <ogra> enabling lpia
[17:33] <ogra> we cant use vbox for lpia at 800x480 bwithout the vbox video driver which is in the guest modules
[17:33] <laga> what's so special about lpia? is it different from i386?
[17:34] <ogra> yes
[17:34] <lool> ogra: blueyed uploaded a new version to intrepid to move from -16 to -17
[17:34] <lool> But -17 never made it to intrepid AFAIK
[17:34] <ogra> lool, right and currently we have -19
[17:34] <lool> I noticed while adding lpia that it simply wouldn't build ATM
[17:34] <lool> ogra: That's hardy; intrepid still has -16 I think
[17:34] <ogra> you need to add lpia to the configure script
[17:34] <ogra> its not an accepted arch without that hack
[17:36] <ogra> which is all my patch does, changing control everywhere from s/i386/i386 lpia/ and adding lpia to the x86 list of arches
[17:36] <lool> ogra: I'm interested in that last part
[17:36] <lool> I also updated control and rules
[17:37] <lool> I'm looking at configure ATM, I also had a look at the modules/virtualbox-ose Makefile, but I didn't get where the arches came from
[17:37] <lool> (yet :)
[17:40] <ogra> lool, line 254
[17:40] <ogra> must be: i[3456789]86|x86|i86pc|lpia)
[17:40] <ogra> trivial :)
[17:40] <ogra> the first part of that regex is pretty optimistic *grin*
[17:41] <lool> ogra: Well I checked this part and connected to my lpia Q1 and uname -m would return i686
[17:41] <ogra> dpkg hands over lpia i think
[17:41] <ogra> during build
[17:41] <lool> ogra: BUILD_CPU=`uname -m` 2 lines above?
[17:42] <ogra> not sure which source you are using there
[17:42] <ogra> mine as
[17:42] <ogra> has
[17:42] <ogra>  BUILD_CPU=`dpkg --print-architecture`
[17:42] <lool> ogra: aha
[17:42] <leonel> I had my pbuilder on a gutsy install   that gutsy got upgraded to  hardy ..  the  pbuilder install ... was  moved to hardy  or is still for  gutsy ???
[17:42] <ogra> (not added by me)
[17:42] <lool> ogra: I'm looking at 1.5.6-dfsg-6ubuntu1
[17:43] <ogra> hmm
[17:43] <ogra> same here
[17:43] <ogra> from april 9
[17:43] <lool> ogra: Oh, yours is probably patched
[17:43] <lool> ogra: Got it now
[17:44] <lool> lala
[17:45] <lool> ogra: IMO it should be using dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_GNU_CPU instead of dpkg --architecture, what do you think?
[17:45] <ogra> sounds good
[17:49] <bluefoxicy> what the hell ass balls
[17:49] <bluefoxicy> if X gets killed you cannot log in again until you reboot
[17:49] <laga> #define killed
[17:50] <bluefoxicy> rm -rf /tmp doesn't fix it, neither does killall $(ps -e u | grep id -un | awk '{print $2}')
[17:50] <bluefoxicy> laga:  ctrl+alt+backspace, which happens fairly often by accident through confusion
[17:50] <bluefoxicy> i.e. switching virtual desktops, deciding to backspace over a character
[17:51] <bluefoxicy> I tried killing all the user's processes and removing all temporary files owned by the user to no end
[17:51] <laga> doesnt happen here
[17:52] <bluefoxicy> laga:  ctrl+alt+bs doesn't kill X there?
[17:53] <laga> it does, but i can still login afterwards
[17:53] <bluefoxicy> doesn't let me in, I get a blank desktop with a white box in the top left with nothing in it
[17:55] <bluefoxicy> also virtualbox seems to be unsupported <_<
[17:55] <bluefoxicy> its modules are in main for an old kernel, universe for a newer kernel, and not present for current o_o
[17:55] <bluefoxicy> oh, I'm on proposed, ok
[17:57] <bluefoxicy> the updated kernel (2.6.24-18, hardy-updates) still has a matching universe virtualbox driver though, instead of main
[17:57] <bluefoxicy> though, the 2.6.24-17 driver says it's in main but maintained by Ubuntu MOTU
[18:20] <mouz> persia: about bug 198292. The version queued for the development release is patched in Debian for the same bug. So my reasoning is: it need not be patched for Ubuntu (for this bug). Am I right? Does that mean posting a debdiff for 1ubuntu0.1 suffices, or is there still a need for 2ubuntu1 then?
[18:28] <jdstrand> kees: so I was looking at getting mutt to help me with bug triage, and came acroos 'pipe-message'-- have you used it much with macros?
[18:28] <kees> jdstrand: to some extent, yeah.  I think the USN builder, for example, uses it.
[18:29] <jdstrand> kees: actually it does not
[18:29] <kees> oh?
[18:29] <jdstrand> kees: I was using it as an example, and then came across something that would be better
[18:29] <kees> ah, you're right, i use "editor" to do the evilness
[18:29] <jdstrand> kees: with usn builder, you use a trick with the set editor
[18:29] <jdstrand> kees: check this out:
[18:30] <jdstrand> macro index \cB "<pipe-message>~/ubuntu/security/scripts/lp-status<enter>"
[18:30] <kees> cool, yeah
[18:30] <jdstrand> kees: that macro pipes the message (or tagged messages) to that command
[18:30] <kees> I have some really old stuff:
[18:30] <kees> macro index \cu "<enter-command>unset wait_key\n<pipe-message>urlview\n<enter-command>set wait_key\n"
[18:30] <jdstrand> kees: yeah
[18:30] <kees> I think bdmurray has a ton of these kinds of things for doing his triage-via-email stuff
[18:32] <jdstrand> kees: what is nice is that I have a script called 'bug-status.py', so I then wrote lp-status to be http://paste.ubuntu.com/18838/
[18:33] <jdstrand> kees: this then outputs various stuff in mutt that I can use to start processing things
[18:33] <jdstrand> kees: anyhoo-- I knew you liked 'stupid mutt tricks' so thought I'd pass it along
[18:34] <kees> nice, yeah, thanks :)
[18:41] <vbabiy-laptop> Hey guys are we going to to have the RC2 of firefox on Hardy or you guys waiting for the final?
[19:15] <ScottK> vbabiy-laptop: #ubuntu-mozillateam would be a more likely place to get an answer to that question.
[19:21] <vbabiy-laptop> thanks ScottK
[19:50] <jdstrand> kees: do you have a script for approving 'nominate for release' bugs?
[19:50]  * jdstrand likes to glom onto kees' scripts
[19:53] <nhandler> Is it really necessary to add the "patch" tag to a bug that you patch? Or is it sufficient to just check the box that says, "This attachment is a patch"?
[20:14] <jpds> nhandler: I think the patch tag is just to make searching easier.
[20:16] <nhandler> jpds, Does that mean that it isn't a requirement. If that is the case, someone should update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing.
[20:18] <jpds> nhandler: I think you may wish to tag it, yeah
[20:18] <nhandler> jpds, Ok, thanks.
[20:37] <leleobhz> what parameters i need to use in lintian to know a package is compilant?
[20:38] <leleobhz> and how can i open a itp bug?
[20:40] <ScottK> leleobhz: File a regular bug in Launchpad against Ubuntu and then tag it 'needs-packaging'.
[20:41] <geser> leleobhz: simply run lintian once on the source package and once on the generated debs, or simplified on the _<arch>.changes file from the build to check both
[20:42] <leleobhz> geser: some special parameters
[20:42] <leleobhz> ScottK: and can i send my package to repositories?
[20:42] <leleobhz> ScottK: or must to use REVO?
[20:42] <leleobhz> geser: only lintian .changes?
[20:42] <leleobhz> no parameters?
[20:43] <ScottK> !REVU | leleobhz
[20:43] <ScottK> That's where you send it.
[20:43] <geser> leleobhz: I use normally no paramters, sometimes -i to get a more verbose output on warnings and errors
[20:43] <leleobhz> E: uniconvertor_1.1.2-1_i386.changes: bad-distribution-in-changes-file hardy
[20:44] <leleobhz> someone know how can i solve this?
[20:45] <leleobhz> ScottK: ill file the but
[20:45] <leleobhz> bug
[20:45] <geser> leleobhz: for Ubuntu the version should end in -0ubuntu1 if the package (or that version) doesn't exist in Debian
[20:45] <leleobhz> ScottK: need i redirect the bug for someone?
[20:46] <geser> but I don't know if lintian knows about the Ubuntu versioning scheme and will stop complaining after you fixed the version
[20:47] <ScottK> leleobhz: No.
[20:47] <ScottK> geser: It does.
[20:47] <RainCT> geser: I think lintian recognizes the -Xubuntu1 as Ubuntu distribution, but  I might be wrong though
[20:47] <leleobhz> can i send a package to revu to be fixed?
[20:47] <leleobhz> well
[20:47] <leleobhz> dont recognized
[20:47] <RainCT> leleobhz: yes, just re-upload
[20:49] <leleobhz> RainCT: well, i think now i must to send the package because i cant think what more is wrong
[20:49] <leleobhz> can i fix it latter and send to review?
[20:49] <leleobhz> (and what i need to do to put it on oficial repositories?)
[20:59] <neurobuntu> has anybody here used svn-buildpackage?
[21:01] <kees> jdstrand: don't have nominate script, no.  that might be kinda handy.
[21:03] <leleobhz> well, my first almost-correct package uploaded!!!!
[21:03] <neurobuntu> does anybody know of any nightly build utilities?
[21:07] <leleobhz> ive uploaded a package that exists into revu, but in a old version
[21:07] <leleobhz> what can i do
[21:09] <emgent> heya
[21:19] <mouz> If I fixed a bug for Hardy, but upstream fixes the same for Intrepid, no ubuntu patch is needed for Intrepid anymore, right?
[21:20] <devfil> mouz: right
[21:28] <devfil> Someone can review galaxium package on REVU? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=galaxium
[21:38] <geser> devfil: is it a mono app?
[21:38] <devfil> geser: yes
[21:38] <geser> devfil: are you aware of http://pkg-mono.alioth.debian.org/cli-policy/
[21:38] <geser> ?
[21:39] <devfil> geser: ehm no, what I should do with cli policy?
[21:40] <devfil> geser: put it in copyright?
[21:40] <LaserJock> siretart: ping
[21:41] <geser> devfil: not in copyright, but read and apply it to debian/rules
[21:42] <geser> devfil: I'm not familiar with that sub-policy but I know that there is dh_clideps to automagically discover the dependencies on -cil packages
[21:42] <geser> devfil: it might help you to package a mono application correctly
[21:43] <leleobhz> while compiling a package with cdbs and python, should i use 2.4 or 2.5 version?
[21:43] <devfil> geser: thanks for the link
[21:43] <geser> leleobhz: what kind of python package? python app? python lib? python module?
[21:44] <leleobhz> app
[21:44] <leleobhz> geser: because pdebuilder try to compile the package with python2.4 but even with python-support and python2.4-dev  gcc dies saying have no Python.h
[21:44] <geser> leleobhz: the default python version (which is currently 2.5)
[21:45] <leleobhz> hmm
[21:45] <geser> leleobhz: gcc? so it's not pure python?
[21:45] <leleobhz> geser: i think it isnt
[21:46] <leleobhz> geser: if i use dpkg-buildpackage everything goes ok
[21:46] <leleobhz> but using pdebuilder i got this problem
[21:46] <geser> leleobhz: then you're probably missing a build-dependency
[21:46] <geser> how does your build-depends look like?
[21:46] <leleobhz> well, its Python.h]
[21:46] <leleobhz> Build-Depends: cdbs, debhelper (>= 5), python2.4-dev, python-support, perl
[21:47] <leleobhz> (perl for pod2man)
[21:48] <geser> leleobhz: if possible try to build it once for python2.4 and once for python2.5 (i.e. all supported python-versions)
[21:48] <geser> but if you have to choose one: python2.5 as this is the default
[21:48] <leleobhz> geser: can i use both?
[21:49] <geser> in the first case (2.4 and 2.5) build depend on python-all-dev, in the second (2.5 only) on python2.5-dev
[21:49] <geser> leleobhz: yes, python modules use it to build for python2.4 and python2.5
[21:49] <leleobhz> geser: another. im packaging a package yet archived on revu..
[21:49] <leleobhz> geser: but ive found this after upload
[21:50] <chaos386> hi there, is this the right place to report a package dependency issue?
[21:50] <leleobhz> (but im using cdbs and the original normal build)
[21:50] <leleobhz> geser: so, what i need to do?
[21:50] <geser> leleobhz: find someone who is more familiar with cdbs than me :)
[21:51] <leleobhz> geser: my doubt is about the duplicity
[21:51] <geser> chaos386: bugs should be filed in Launchpad
[21:52] <chaos386> even if the fix is already known?
[21:52] <geser> leleobhz: if it only works for one version, then it's IMHO ok to build for only one version (e.g. it doesn't use different dirs for the compiled parts)
[21:53] <norsetto> devfil: package doesn't build for intrepid (probably not a fault of the package), tarball from get-orig-source and your tarball are different
[21:53] <geser> chaos386: mention the fix also in the bug
[21:53] <chaos386> geser: ok, thanks
[21:53] <devfil> norsetto: I used get-orig-source to do the tarball
[21:54] <norsetto> devfil: well, try again because they do not match
[21:54] <emgent> hi norsetto :)
[21:54] <norsetto> emgent: 0/
[21:55] <leleobhz> geser: well, my package ill be moderated right?
[21:55] <leleobhz> i need do more than send the source?
[21:56] <norsetto> devfil: most probably is just the compression level
[21:57] <devfil> norsetto: there are other problems in the package?
[21:57] <norsetto> devfil: probably, I still haven't got past the build stage though ;-)
[22:00] <norsetto> devfil: which tar did you use?
[22:00] <devfil> norsetto: czf
[22:00] <norsetto> devfil: I mean version
[22:01] <devfil> norsetto: version of tar or the svn revision?
[22:01] <norsetto> devfil: tar version
[22:02] <devfil> norsetto: 1.19-3
[22:03] <norsetto> devfil: ok, this could explain it then, I used a different version
[22:05] <norsetto> devfil: what are the dll included with the tarball?
[22:06] <devfil> norsetto: agsXMPP, Mono.Nat and ProxySocket
[22:07] <norsetto> devfil: yes, what are they?
[22:07] <devfil> norsetto: I am not understanding
[22:08] <geser> leleobhz: you mean upload to REVU?
[22:08] <norsetto> devfil: are they needed for the package to work? where are the sources?
[22:08] <leleobhz> geser: yeap
[22:08] <geser> leleobhz: there is no moderation
[22:08] <devfil> norsetto: they are in dlls dir and yes, they are needed to work
[22:09] <ScottK> leonel: Debdiffs look good so far.  Why did you number the Dapper on dapper3 instead of dapper2ubuntu1 in line with what you did for the others?
[22:09] <leleobhz> geser: but i need do more than this?
[22:09] <geser> have you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU ?
[22:09] <norsetto> devfil: and the sources? If you give no sources you can't use GPL as you did
[22:09] <ajmitch> hello
[22:11] <geser> good night *
[22:11] <devfil> norsetto: sources aren't in the package but there are some licenses about dlls
[22:11] <norsetto> devdil: also for this: docs/Extension paths.pdf
[22:12] <norsetto> devfil: then the package could go to multiverse but we need to check the licenses and they have to be added to copyright
[22:12] <devfil> norsetto: ok, I'm going to add the licenze in copyright file
[22:12] <leleobhz> geser: yep... its a little of unsure
[22:13] <norsetto> devfil: and this: build/libmimic.so
[22:13] <devfil> norsetto: -.-' I'm going to kill me :P
[22:13] <geser> when your key is in the keyring on REVU then your upload should get automatically accepted and appear a few minutes later on the overview page
[22:13] <norsetto> devfil: also please check what is all the stuff under build, I don't think you install any of these themes tarballs?
[22:14] <norsetto> devfil: for so little? :-)
[22:14] <devfil> norsetto: for you is a litte think, for me is a big problem
[22:14] <devfil> norsetto: themes are installed
[22:15] <leleobhz> geser: ok
[22:15] <norsetto> devfil: ok, perhaps it is worth making a separate package if they are relatively big
[22:16] <devfil> norsetto: they aren't big
[22:16] <devfil> norsetto: the package will be bigger only 1.9MB
[22:17] <leleobhz> E: uniconvertor_1.1.2-0ubuntu2_source.changes: checksum-mismatch-in-changes-file md5 uniconvertor_1.1.2-0ubuntu2.dsc
[22:17] <leleobhz> how can i fix it?
[22:17] <norsetto> devfil: well, they add to 1 MB, this is big in my book
[22:18] <devfil> norsetto: but I will need to change sources, themes are installed by sources
[22:19] <norsetto> devfil: no, just use proper install files and add another -themes package in control
[22:20] <norsetto> devfil: what is in these themes, is it just one theme or several?
[22:20] <devfil> norsetto: is one theme
[22:20] <devfil> extra
[22:20] <norsetto> devfil: ok, then it makes sense to package it separately
[22:21] <devfil> norsetto: "just use proper install files"... how?
[22:22] <norsetto> devfil: check man dh_install (and you need to add dh_install to the install target)
[22:23] <devfil> norsetto: ahhh ok, dh_install to don't install in the main package and to install in themes package, sure
[22:23] <norsetto> devfil: I mean, binary-arch target
[22:24] <norsetto> devfil: since you do that also move the icon installation from rules (using cp) to install (using install file)
[22:25] <norsetto> devfil: and pls. add a desktop file
[22:25] <devfil> norsetto: already exists...
[22:25] <norsetto> devfil: from upstream?
[22:26] <devfil> norsetto: yes, desktop file and .png icon
[22:26]  * norsetto checks it
[22:26] <devfil> norsetto: it looks like good
[22:28] <norsetto> devfil: Application;Network;InstantMessaging misses a ; at the end
[22:28] <devfil> norsetto: I will add a patch
[22:29] <norsetto> devfil: I think also application is not a good category
[22:30] <norsetto> devfil: and please re-edit the Comment so that its gnome HID compliant
[22:30] <devfil> norsetto: GNOME;Network; ?
[22:30] <leleobhz> E: uniconvertor_1.1.2-0ubuntu3_i386.changes: checksum-mismatch-in-changes-file md5 uniconvertor_1.1.2-0ubuntu3.dsc
[22:30] <leleobhz> someone know why its doing this?
[22:30] <devfil> norsetto: the comment?
[22:33] <devfil> I'm going to sleep
[22:33] <devfil> bye
[22:41] <leonel> ScottK: the  dch -i did the  numbering   and all I've seen finish with  ubuntuX ...
[22:41] <leonel> ScottK: working on Hardy
[22:42] <ScottK> leonel: Great.
[22:42] <ScottK> leonel: I think 2ubuntu1 is more correct for dapper
[22:43] <leonel> should I redo the debdiff ?
[22:44] <norsetto> night all
[22:59] <cody-somerville> ScottK, Do you want to peer-review an SRU I just reviewed?
[23:14] <laga> jono: re severed fifth: it might be a good thing if you put a nice and short explanation of what your project actually _is_ somewhere accessible. your post to the planet doesn't explain it, the main page of the severed fifth website doesn't explain it either and i don't know if everyone really wants to read that very, very long news entry on the web site.
[23:14] <laga> jono: disclaimer: i've got a headache and i'm cranky, so i might have missed something :)
[23:27] <Nightrose> +1's that


[03:30] <mup> Bug #1677382 changed: [2.1.5] Failure to PXE boot Cavium crb-1s Servers - PXE-E99: Unexpected network error. Checkpoint D9 ERROR: Boot option loading failed
[03:30] <mup> Checkpoint AD <cdo-qa-blocker> <oil> <MAAS:Invalid by blake-rouse> <MAAS 2.1:Invalid> <maas-images:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1677382>
[03:42] <mup> Bug #1677382 opened: [2.1.5] Failure to PXE boot Cavium crb-1s Servers - PXE-E99: Unexpected network error. Checkpoint D9 ERROR: Boot option loading failed Checkpoint AD <cdo-qa-blocker> <oil> <MAAS:Invalid by blake-rouse> <MAAS 2.1:Invalid> <maas-images:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1677382>
[03:45] <mup> Bug #1677382 changed: [2.1.5] Failure to PXE boot Cavium crb-1s Servers - PXE-E99: Unexpected network error. Checkpoint D9 ERROR: Boot option loading failed
[03:45] <mup> Checkpoint AD <cdo-qa-blocker> <oil> <MAAS:Invalid by blake-rouse> <MAAS 2.1:Invalid> <maas-images:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1677382>
[12:53] <BlackDex> hello, how can i force the 'noatime' to be set on the root partition?
[12:53] <BlackDex> i tried setting it as a mount_option, but that doesn't seem to have an effect
[12:58] <roaksoax> BlackDex: try this:  maas <user> machine get-curtin-config <system_id>" and pastebinit
[12:58] <roaksoax> BlackDex: and we will see if the mount options are eing sent
[13:12] <BlackDex> roaksoax: https://paste.ubuntu.com/24511084/
[13:12] <BlackDex> Seems like it
[13:20] <roaksoax> BlackDex: could be a curtin bug then
[13:22] <BlackDex> meh
[13:23] <BlackDex> well ill leave it there for now. I'm going to add this machine now with juju, lets see what it does
[13:25] <roaksoax> cool
[13:26] <BlackDex> that machine failed me during a deployment. As it whas only a nova-compute/ceph-osd unit i removed it, tested the mount option, and i'm now going to add it again. Ill let you know if it added the value or not, or if that i can see something in the logs :)
[13:26] <roaksoax> sounds good
[13:39] <BlackDex> roaksoax: Nope, didn't work. No entry in any log on maas or the system it self about the mount options
[13:42] <roaksoax> BlackDex: rharper ^^
[15:27] <xygnal> roaksoax: mpontillo: was it one of you who said you would verify if user_data metadata pass through worked for Custom images?
[15:29] <roaksoax> xygnal: it should work for custom images... we dont really differentiate the metadata service
[15:30] <xygnal> roaksoax ty.
[15:30] <mpontillo> xygnal: my apologies if I said I would; I had to make some last minute travel arrangements so it may have slipped my mind
[15:30] <mpontillo> it's been a crazy week so I honestly don't recall =)
[16:56] <xygnal> mpontillo: its okay.  testing out the code in trunk for fixing our no dhcp host map issue.
[16:56] <xygnal> but it does not seem to have taken affect
[16:57] <xygnal> mpontillo : what serices would need to be restarted>
[17:17] <mpontillo> xygnal: that isn't yet fixed. I had some code under development for that but it wasn't fully tested yet. I'm going to try to work on that this afternoon though.
[17:18] <xygnal> mpontillo ok ty.  sorry to jump the gun.  pressure here to test working fix.
[17:18] <mpontillo> xygnal: restarting maas-rackd is a workaround since that will force the hostmaps to regenerate
[17:19] <mpontillo> xygnal: very annoying bug though; I'm sorry it's impacting you.
[17:20] <xygnal> mpontillo:  yep.  the primary problem is that we have a post-script that converts from hostmap hcp ip to static local file
[17:20] <xygnal> mpontillo and if the node comes up with the wrong IP after deploy, it will set the wrong IP for its static file =p
[17:20] <xygnal> thus,  I can't test that until the bug is fxed
[17:21] <xygnal> mpontillo beyond that the retard of maas-rackd works just fine
[17:21] <xygnal> restart*
[17:21] <mpontillo> xygnal: ouch. well, maybe you can change your script to scrape the MAAS API or database? Just a thought
[17:21] <xygnal> mpontillo I was thinking about that.  had not approached it yet.
[17:39] <roaksoax> mpontillo:
[17:55] <mup> Bug #1688359 opened: Node fails to commission completely. <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1688359>
[20:55] <mup> Bug #1685399 changed: [2.2] MAAS should delete cached apt lists before running apt update <cloud-images:New> <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1685399>


[10:02] <ogra> hmm, i'm getting 403's from launchpad from an internal snap builder, did anything change recently (the code executed used to work and works locally)
[10:03] <jugmac00> This is a known issue - my colleague is already working on it.
[10:04] <ogra> ah, perfect, thanks
[10:09] <cjwatson> ogra: Should be sorted now
[10:10] <cjwatson> (regression due to moving the frontends to PS5)
[10:11]  * ogra triggers new build ...
[10:22] <ogra> worked fine, thanks a lot !
[19:00] <Eickmeyer> Is lcy02 stuck? Seems like a lot of cleaning going on.
[19:00] <cjwatson> Eickmeyer: See the topic
[19:01] <Eickmeyer> Ohhhhhh I see.
[19:01] <cjwatson> Major networking outage in PS5
[19:02] <Eickmeyer> oof
[19:24] <cjwatson> buildd-manager is back up now for non-x86 builds; x86 builds (lcy02) are still a work in progress
[19:25] <Eickmeyer> 👍
[19:35] <cjwatson> We may have some semblance of normality
[19:47] <cjwatson> Not without issues, but things look much happier
[20:08] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, seeing a lot of disableds.
[20:15] <cjwatson> Indeed, but enough successful resets that things are functional.