[00:19] <crdpink> for about a month my gtk file picker (firefox) is all messed up with mouse clicks. Have to press escape after every click as it starts dragging.
[02:12] <guoc> Hello guys, I am trying to install Kubuntu alongside Windows 10 on a Dell laptop. I used Unetbootin to create a usb booter and restart to install kubuntu. However, on the boot selection page (press Del and then F12), there are only 1) Start kubuntu 2) OEM install 3) Check disk defect. I tried both 1) and 2) and it always goes into a tryout session
[02:12] <guoc> rather than the installation. Any ideas?
[02:19] <DarinMiller> guoc: Do your tryout session have a desktop item in the upper left that is difficult to identify?
[02:19] <DarinMiller> Does^
[02:21] <DarinMiller> guoc: If you see something that looks like a partially occluded icon inside small window, click on the partial icon to start the install.
[02:23] <DarinMiller> guoc: As I understand it, the plasma devs changed some of the default widget behavior so that some widgets no longer have a default size and one of those was the desktop folder.
[02:23] <guoc> Hi DarinMiller
[02:23] <guoc> Yes
[02:24] <guoc> I see a small widget on the upper left and by clicking it opens Dolphin and there's an icon saying Install Kubutun
[02:25] <guoc> DarinMIller: Kubuntu* but I clicked to execute it just opens kate for a configuration file but I do not know how to start the installation
[02:31] <DarinMiller> guoc: Left click and hold for 2 seconds on the desktop widget.  When the sidebar appears drag the icon away from the edge of the screen and carefully resize the widget by clicking on the double arrow icon on the to of the side bar that pops up.  How new user is supposed to know how to do this beyond me.  Hopefully the devs can fix this before the July .1 update.
[02:32] <DarinMiller> Once resized, click on the icon inside the desktop top widget. The installer should launch.  You can also find the installer in the System or Utiliies menu but I can remember what it's called.
[02:33] <guoc> DarinMiller: Thanks a lot for the help! <3 I'll try that
[02:37] <DarinMiller> guoc: np and let the adventers begin :)
[02:38] <guoc> :)
[02:44] <Irish_canon> hello all I am setting up a server and want o use a static ip
[02:45] <Irish_canon> I have setup the interface file what I thought was correctly but it doesnt work any thoughts
[03:25] <anonsnake> Hello
[03:27] <anonsnake> When I start my laptop I get an error, I have a dual boot windows7 and kubuntu set up. When I turn it on I get the error, "An error occurred when mounting /media/WINDOWS Press S to skip mounting or M for manual recovery"
[03:28] <anonsnake> then I hit M and get Filesystem check or mount failed.
[03:29] <anonsnake> A maintenance shell will now be started. CONTROL-D will terminate this shell and continue booting after re-trying filesystems. Any further errors will be ignored Give root password for maintenance
[03:39] <schnoodles> Is there a preferred KDE screen recording tool?
[04:09] <lethu> schnoodles: obs
[09:43] <eeos> Hi everybody .... since updating to 1604 lts I have the problem that I cannot use anymore multiple screens .... anyone else with the same problem?
[10:19] <hateball> oh they left
[12:32] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:33] <chinmoy> BluesKaj : hey
[12:34] <BluesKaj> hi chinmoy
[12:56] <elezium> Hello.  Is there a taskbar widget available to switch of sound source quickly?  Can't find any and Phonon is a bit weird :/
[13:01] <hateball> elezium: how do you mean?
[13:01] <hateball> elezium: you mean adjust volume for a certain app?
[13:02] <elezium> Let's say I want to switch from internal sound card to external USB sound card.  Quicky.  In Phonon, I need to "Prefer" the sounds card I want to use and click "apply devices list to .."
[13:03] <hateball> elezium: for now, rightclick volume settings and go into settings. I think an improved plasmoid will land in 5.7
[13:03] <hateball> the volume applet in the tray, is what I am talking about
[13:04] <yossarianuk> i still install kmix - its needed to enabled +100% volume..
[13:04] <elezium> hateball: Ok, but that menu doesn't allow me to actually change the ative source
[13:05] <hateball> elezium: nope, you cant redirect active streams, iirc that is also coming in 5.7. let me find the bug
[13:05] <elezium> bha.. I don't need the bug hateball.. if it's coming,. I'm happy. ;)
[13:06] <elezium> I'll patiently wait. ;)  Liking KDE so far.. just need to remap some shortcut and I should be ready to go
[13:06] <elezium> yossarianuk: Thanks. I'll have a look at Kmix.
[13:07] <hateball> elezium: http://davidrosca.blogspot.se/2016/04/audio-volume-improvements-in-plasma-57.html
[13:08] <elezium> Thanks ;
[13:09] <elezium> yup, exactly what I am looking for.. No big deal since I change it twice a day, but useful.
[13:17] <Guest22397> Hi I added a command to /etc/rc.local to disable ethernet device on startup but it doesn't work. When I execute it after login it works. What am I missing there ? Thanks
[13:27] <rattking> hey Guest22397 if you are using networkmanager its possible NM is configuring the eth device later during login.. just an idea. how are you disabling it?
[13:29] <Guest22397> rattking: ifconfig enp4s0 down
[13:30] <Guest22397> enp4s0 is the name of my ethernet device
[13:30] <rattking> I would check network manager and make sure enp4s0 isnt set to auto configure first
[13:30] <rattking> *auto connect
[13:34] <rattking> I cant think of anything else that would be controlling the network after rc.local is run
[13:41] <BluesKaj> rattking, i just arrived , what's the issue?
[13:42] <rattking> oh the person quit already, but the question was whats starting the ethernet device after ifconfig downing it in rc.local
[13:45] <BluesKaj> rc.local in my system has only one uncommented line , Exit  0 , think systemd has some influence there
[13:46] <rattking> yeah now a days systemd runs rc.local and anything you want ot run would need to be above the exit 0.. I wonder if that was the problem.. or per Cunningham's Law I was correct :)
[13:47] <BluesKaj> I have no ethernet problems, unless the user was using edited settings in theinterfaces and resolv.conf files, like static and dns
[13:49] <BluesKaj> systemd has thrown a whole new learning curve at us
[13:49] <rattking> they wanted the eth device turned off, or presumably not started at boot at all
[13:50] <rattking> too many things can or do manage resolv.conf these days.. dhcpd, resolvconf, network manager, dnsmasq, and systemd soon I dont know how it works anymore
[13:51] <BluesKaj> that setting can be turned off in NM /configure network connections/wired connection/edit/general configuration tab/auto connect
[13:54] <BluesKaj> if it was Smurphy then he has a problem with the ethernet interfering with his wifi connection, there was a bug a few eeks ago , but it's solved on my laptop after some upgrades
[14:09] <Smurphy> BluesKaj: I'll check it. Thx.
[14:14] <hazamonzo> Hey folks. might be a silly question but where can i find the config for custom locations in dolphin?
[14:14] <hazamonzo> I like to add connections to my dolphin using fish://
[14:14] <hazamonzo> I wanted to see if i could find the file where these connections are saved for backing up purposes
[14:17] <BluesKaj> for remote connections on your LAN use dolphin/places/network/add network folder
[14:17] <BluesKaj> hazamonzo,^
[14:18] <BluesKaj> hazamonzo, for custom locations , system settings/applications/locations
[14:19] <elezium> is there a "dock" like taskbar widget?  Something like OSX?  Where I have all my applications and if one is open, it will be indicated in some ways?
[14:19] <Walex> elezium: there used to be something like that, not sure it has been ported to *current* KDE4/5
[14:20] <Walex> elezium: but that also is not how KDE is supposed to work.
[14:20] <Walex> elezium: I use the "list windows" widget on the "kicker"
[14:21] <elezium> Yeah.  I kind of like how Win10 does it.
[14:21] <elezium> I could have the quick launch with my app in my task bar + list windows, hum..
[14:21] <rattking> elezium: take a look at cairo-dock .. a quick search shows people do use it with kde, although I have not
[14:22] <elezium> thans
[14:23] <BluesKaj> elezium, I use the icons only taskbar, and the app being used is highligted in the task bar
[14:24] <elezium> yeah BluesKaj.. it's just the apps that are not launched doesn't appears, so you have a duplicate quick lauch too
[14:25] <BluesKaj> quicklaunch doesn't have a setting to highlight launched apps
[14:26] <elezium> yeah. I just checked and it doesn't seem too
[14:26] <elezium> but again, no biggie.. just trying to see how best I could tweak the thing ;)
[14:26] <BluesKaj> duplicates don't bother me much
[14:28] <elezium> Like I said, no biggie.. I have enoug space for both.. it's just some duplication.. but I'm also used to lauch my app using Win (or.. Alt-F1) and type 3-4 letter and enter.
[14:28] <elezium> and in fact, the results are more accuate in Kde than Win10.
[14:40] <ugur_> Hi. I am using Kubuntu 16.04. I want to disable bluetooth on startup but putting "rfkill block bluetooth" to /etc/rc.local does not work. I have disabled KDE bluetooth integration but no help
[14:41] <ugur_> I had asked a similar question about disabling ethernet and it appeared to be related to NetworkManager service
[14:44] <BluesKaj> ugur_, did you check systemsettings/blurtooth?
[14:44] <rattking> I suspect for that one you will need to tell systemd not to start 'sys-subsystem-bluetooth-devices-hci0.device' 'bluetooth.service' and 'bluetooth.target' but Im not 100% sure as I have not done that myself
[14:46] <BluesKaj> ugur_, ethernet setting can be turned off in NM /configure network connections/wired connection/edit/general configuration tab/auto connect
[14:46] <BluesKaj> ugur_, right click on network manager in the taskbar
[14:49] <ugur_> BluesKaj I wanted to completely disable ethernet card not just disable autoconnect and I succedded
[14:50] <rattking> oh for that I would disable in bios or blacklist the module.. are you working on something high security?
[14:50] <ugur_> Current problem is with bluetooth. I have the command to disable it but when I put it into /etc/rc.local it is not enough. I already disabled KDE bluetooth integration
[14:51] <ugur_> I just want to increase battery life and decrease radiation :)
[14:52] <BluesKaj> disabling autoconnect is probly a better option , you may need the ethernet connection in the future if your wifi mucks up
[14:52] <BluesKaj> ugur_,^
[14:53] <ugur_> BluesKaj I have an alias for that I just write ethup
[14:53] <BluesKaj> ugur_, you may need to edit  bluetooth in  /lib/systemd/system/rc.local.service
[14:54] <ugur_> BluesKaj what should I do with that file ?
[14:55] <BluesKaj> the you're not completely disabling the ethernet if you have an alias
[14:57] <BluesKaj> ugur_, dunno I'm not experienced withbluetooth but it does inviolve systemd now that rc.local is basiclly useless
[15:00] <ugur_> Actually I completely disable it because i can trace the power consumption in powertop no ethernet there
[15:00] <ugur_> I am using Kubuntu 16.04 on a Dell 7559 Skylake Nvidia GTX 960M. I am fine with Intel graphics and I want to disable nouveau completely. Because it prevents system shutdown with weird errors like CPU Stuck. What do you suggest? Thanks
[15:01] <BluesKaj> ethernet doesn't use any power unless it's connected, however bluetooth will radiate if it isn't turned off
[15:02] <BluesKaj> physically connected to a cable
[15:04] <ugur_> BluesKaj: powertop tells the opposite. If ethernet is not connected it is still using a lot of power
[15:05] <BluesKaj> how?
[15:05] <rattking> yes some amount of the device would have to be active to detect cable plugins
[15:06] <rattking> and with wake on lan enabled the chip is active even when the system is off
[15:06] <ugur_> It is like half an hour more battery for me. I can enable it anytime
[15:06] <ugur_> Wake on lan is disabled
[15:07] <BluesKaj> maybe the caps are charged, but that's a minimal anount of power , probly in tens of millivolts
[15:10] <BluesKaj> launching a browsder k=jusy once causes more battery uisage than th ethernet circuit would use in a whole day unconnected
[15:12] <BluesKaj> the networking daemons are another story using up power thru the cpu cylcles they require
[17:14] <goddard> KDevelop isnt finding Qt libraries
[17:33] <allesz_> hi guys. could someone help me on how to improve font rendering in libreoffice under kubuntu 16.04? the fonts look pretty ugly with the default installation.
[17:39] <goddard> allesz_: yeah install calligra
[17:39] <goddard> problem solved
[17:50] <allesz_> lol. it's like a trip down memory lane
[17:53] <allesz_> goddard: any other suggestions? like installing additional fonts? I assume the fallback fonts are bad. is there a meta font package or something?
[17:54] <allesz_> goddard: why is kubuntu "advertising" libreoffice and not calligra on the site?
[17:55] <allesz_> don't get me wrong I am really trying to use kde and not gnome. so far the experience is mixed. but better font rendering for gtk apps would be awesome! ;-)
[17:56] <goddard> allesz_: it was a choice they made because calligra doesn't save in all the formats they want
[17:56] <goddard> allesz_: it a weak spot in calligra but honestly they still can save in plenty of formats i would want
[17:57] <goddard> it still saves in odt though which most other processors can use
[17:57] <allesz_> goddard: that would have been my next question. I usually use writer and calc and impress.
[17:57] <BluesKaj> one can set gtk fonts in system settings>apps style>gnome
[17:58] <allesz_> BluesKaj: thanks will have a look there
[18:17] <allesz_> I have installed calligra and will give it a try. in addition I did follow this: http://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2016/03/how-to-fix-ugly-libreoffice-font-rendering-kde.html
[18:18] <allesz_> one more thing. is there a way of changing the app switcher to (ALT-TAB) to not be vertically alligned
[18:19] <allesz_> this makes me crazy ;-)
[18:30] <BluesKaj> allesz_,  whynot try activities as a switcher?
[18:38] <Smurphy> allesz_: Yes. I have it working on my system. It however depends on the graphics capability of your system.
[18:39] <Smurphy> I have the apps in a 3D Circle and cycle around. The one in front, if I release Alt-Tab - comes forward.
[18:42] <Dragnslcr> allesz_- in case you haven't found it, System Settings -> Window Behavior -> Task Switcher
[18:42] <Smurphy> In Settings -> Windows Management -> Task Switcher, Choose "Cover Switch"
[18:47] <allesz_> thanks a lot guys. I will go and customize ;-)
[20:13] <Guest27696> Hey folks, I'm trying to sync my ipod nano gen 5. Amarok is telling me I need to generate a hashinfo file. Anyone have any ideas?
[20:25] <bprompt> Guest27696:  hmmm I don't have a nano myself for one, due to that kind of hassle btw,   so...  nor do I use amarok anyway.... so.... are you getting any errors?   I mean, isn't amarok making the hashfile?
[20:26] <bprompt> Guest27696:     IIRC apple devices like ipods, use some hash table to point to the generic named music/files inside it, tis how iTunes work, as opposed to using the filename as is in the storage
[20:28] <Guest27696> bprompt: someone in #ubuntu already helped me. Once I had the link it was simple
[20:29] <bprompt> k
[20:30] <Guest27696> bprompt: and you're right, it is more of a hassel than is reasonable, but this is what I'm stuck with for now
[20:31] <bprompt> and it's entirely unnecessary, since they can simply use standards
[20:32] <Guest27696> They're apple. They HAVE to be special
[20:33] <bprompt> Guest27696:    don't get me wrong, Apple software and hardware are quite, I've use them, I have use nano's as well, the marketing gimmicks is the one that is a turn off for me, sorta like  a new car, going out of their way reinventing the wheel, and ending up with just a convoluted car, whiile they can simply use current standards
[20:34] <bprompt> I mean, all their convolution in their stuff, doesn't really make the device better, the cable isn't better or has better amps or volts, they could use standards and end up in the same spot
[20:34] <bprompt> s/quite/quite good/   btw
[20:36] <bprompt> Guest27696:     so.. .the device is nice, I like nanos, but the "dog in a leash" marketing, is not my cup of tea
[20:38] <Guest27696> I feel ya
[20:39] <allesz_> apple's gated community approach  is a turn off for me.
[20:39] <Guest27696> Anyways. As always thanks folks, and good talking with you bprompt. You all have a nice day
[20:41] <bprompt> np
[21:17] <user|26338> hello everyone
[21:17] <user|26338> I am having trouble installing Kubuntu 16.04. Am I allowed to ask for help here?
[21:19] <rodolfojcj> hello. Just ask
[21:20] <bprompt> user|26338:   so, you boot and ?
[21:21] <user|26338> I have Windows 10 installed and I want to dual-boot with Kubuntu. Apparently, when I boot the installation media, on of the existing partitions gets mounted at /cdrom. Once I start the install, I can easily get to the partitioning screen and choose the appropriate scheme, but if I click continue, I get a message that /cdrom cannot be unmounted.
[21:23] <bprompt> user|26338:     are you booting up using an usb stick or a CD?
[21:23] <user|26338> By the way, I've already installed it once and it worked fine. I am booting up using a USB stick.
[21:25] <user|26338> I don't know if this will help, but the partition mounted at /cdrom does contain boot files (it's a Windows partition).
[21:27] <bprompt> user|26338:   shouldn't matter... .just don't touch the windows partition at installation :)
[21:28] <user|26338> I am not touching anything. Once I get to the desktop, I run the installation and it fails.
[21:29] <bprompt> user|26338:    boot with the usb, do a "try kubuntu", go to the desktop, run the "kde partition manager", make your "root" or / partition, make a swap on, make their mountpoints, then when done, click on the "install" button on the desktop, and use the partitions you've just made
[21:29] <user|26338> Should it work if I use existing partitions?
[21:30] <user|26338> Also, the partition is mounted as soon as I login to desktop. If I run 'df' prior to running the installation, I can see the partition mounted at /cdrom.
[21:30] <bprompt> user|26338:    yeap
[21:31] <bprompt> user|26338:    that's fine,dunno what you have or why it's doing it, but tis fine, just don't touch it for the installation, make your "/" mount point partition, make your "swap" one, and then run the install, and do a "manual"   and pick those
[21:32] <user|26338> So, in case of using existing partitions (because I don't want to override my /home directory), I only edit their mountpoints?
[21:33] <user|26338> KDE Partition Manager also shows that /dev/sda6 is mounted at /cdrom.
[21:34] <bprompt> user|26338:   ok.. just don't touch it for the install :)
[21:34] <user|26338> I will give this a try
[21:34] <user|26338> Thanks


[00:15] <flexiondotorg> qengho_ I've just seen your email to John. Nice one! Thanks very much for your help.
[00:17] <qengho_> flexiondotorg: my pleasure to help.
[06:00] <hikiko> hi
[09:02] <Laney> HELLO!
[09:02] <willcooke> HI!
[09:02] <seb128> hey Laney willcooke
[09:04] <Laney> hey seb128, hey willcooke
[09:04] <Laney> how's it going?
[09:04] <willcooke> how's it going seb128, Laney
[09:05] <seb128> good! I had tennis lessons yesterday, we played double and look at the strategies that can be used, was nice
[09:05] <seb128> you?
[09:05] <willcooke> same
[09:05] <didrocks> hey Laney, willcooke. Re seb128
[09:05] <willcooke> ;D
[09:05] <willcooke> morning dadrocks
[09:06] <Laney> hey dodrocks
[09:06] <didrocks> :p
[09:06] <Laney> yeah, good
[09:06] <Laney> did some errands and stuff yesterday then watched Sherlock in the evening
[09:06] <Laney> this series was a bit silly
[09:06] <Laney> but still fun
[09:07] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:09] <didrocks> what season/episod?
[09:09] <didrocks> hey davmor2
[09:09] <flexiondotorg> Morning Laney didrocks willcooke seb128 hikiko
[09:09] <didrocks> morning flexiondotorg
[09:11] <Laney> didrocks: I think it's series 4
[09:11] <Laney> was on a few weeks ago
[09:14] <seb128> hey davmor2 flexiondotorg
[09:16] <Laney> hey flexiondotorg, aloha davmor2
[09:16]  * Laney is getting told off by IS via automated emails
[09:16]  * Laney trembles
[09:22] <Laney> landscape is timing out though
[09:38] <seb128> Laney, "Landscape and Ksplice Uptrack Check "?
[09:38] <seb128> I'm getting some of those as well
[09:38] <Laney> yeah that
[09:38] <Laney> what do you get it for?
[09:39] <seb128> langpacks
[09:39] <Laney> didn't know those were in the cloud :-o
[09:39] <seb128> hehe
[11:59]  * didrocks welcomes pitti as Hugo users :)
[12:14]  * flexiondotorg thinks pitti should've getnikola.com ;-)
[12:29] <Sweet5hark> jbicha: congrats to your LibreOffice contribution. Welcome onboard! :)
[12:31] <didrocks> flexiondotorg: well, you need to install a python stack though
[12:31] <flexiondotorg> snap install nikola
[12:32] <didrocks> hugo upstream is really reactive, just sent some PR and it was already merged :)
[12:40] <jbicha> Sweet5hark: my 2nd LO commit was accepted in 5 min which seems crazy fast to me https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/33973/
[12:43] <Sweet5hark> jbicha: we should be very quick with non code changes. The risk that they bring instability or regressions is low. keep them coming ;)
[13:05] <pitti> didrocks: oh, you are using that too?
[13:08] <Laney> just got a £15 eurostar voucher for the delays ...
[13:11] <didrocks> pitti: yeah! Moved to it over the christmas holidays (https://didrocks.fr/), I wanted to blog as well about it. Using caddy for serving those static files and handling let's encrypt certificate. Result: I just git push to https://github.com/didrocks/website, and then, a webhook rebuild the website!
[13:12] <pitti> didrocks: hah, neat!
[13:13] <didrocks> pitti: I wasn't using wordpress though but dotclear. So needed to write my own importer. Took me a little bit more time than you I guess :)
[13:13] <pitti> didrocks: you have an extra + in your googleplus property, drop it (https://plus.google.com/++DidierRoche doesn't exist)
[13:14]  * desrt randomly hugs pitti
[13:14] <didrocks> pitti: oh, correct, thanks for noticing!
[13:15]  * pitti hugs desrt back -- how was your Leuven pub crawl?
[13:15] <desrt> wasn't much of a pub crawl in the end, in fact... leuven was pretty dead on a sunday night, so we went back to sanne's house and cooked and hung out there
[13:15] <desrt> but was very nice, thanks :)
[13:16] <desrt> was your trip home sufficiently uneventful?
[13:16] <pitti> yeah, it was, all worked impeccably
[13:16] <desrt> ♥ ICE
[13:16] <pitti> was nice to go with tdaitx
[13:17] <desrt> is that michael's nick?
[13:17] <pitti> zipping through the night with 300 km/h :)
[13:17] <desrt> oh wait.  that was the other guy you went with by train, ya?
[13:17] <pitti> desrt: no, Tiago's
[13:17] <desrt> right
[13:17] <pitti> desrt: he's in the foundations team :)
[13:17] <desrt> i'm bad with newbies
[13:17] <Laney> newbie is > 2008, right?
[13:18] <desrt> ya.  pretty much.
[13:18] <pitti> (> 1.5a, just saying)
[13:18] <desrt> employee_number > 100
[13:19] <desrt> back in köln, life returns to normal
[13:19] <desrt> everything feels very good
[14:13] <GunnarHj> seb128: Hi Sebastien, reminding you of two pending items: 1. Language pack update xenial, and 2. bug #1655782. A new delta language pack seems to have been created last Sunday.
[14:26] <hikiko> seb128, do you know how to store a git project in bzr?
[14:26] <hikiko> should I use the bzr-git tool
[14:26] <hikiko> that is in the repos?
[14:32] <seb128> GunnarHj, hey, right, still on my list!
[14:32] <seb128> hikiko, why do you want to do that?
[14:32] <hikiko> seb128, chromium uses git by default
[14:33] <seb128> hikiko, why do you want to put it in bzr?
[14:33] <hikiko> and it seems to work :D
[14:33] <hikiko> with bzr-git installed you just run bzr commands
[14:33] <hikiko> seb128, it has 1million files
[14:34] <seb128> well, whatever works for you, but would be better to work with git if that's what they use no?
[14:34] <hikiko> yes
[14:34] <hikiko> but I have to push it to bzr
[14:34] <hikiko> to lp sorry
[14:34] <seb128> lp does git
[14:34] <seb128> hikiko, https://help.launchpad.net/Code/Git
[14:34] <hikiko> so git push lp:~ ...
[14:35] <seb128> hikiko, read ^
[14:35] <hikiko> cool :)
[14:35] <hikiko> yeah
[14:35] <hikiko> thanks seb128
[14:35] <seb128> yw!
[14:38] <qengho_> hikiko: It would be nice if git had a humane UI.
[14:42] <GunnarHj> seb128: The plan is to call for testing on Thursday via a message like this:
[14:42] <GunnarHj> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-translators/2016-October/007251.html
[14:42] <GunnarHj> Will you be able to get them in -proposed by then?
[14:42] <GunnarHj> It would be good to get this done before translations are opened for zesty, since the latter will make the translators busy.
[14:46] <seb128> GunnarHj, I'm going to try yes ... did you get a response from wgrant about zesty opening?
[14:46] <GunnarHj> seb128: Nope.
[14:46] <seb128> :-(
[14:46] <seb128> try email maybe?
[14:46] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok.
[14:46] <seb128> thanks
[15:00] <Trevinho> hey guys...
[15:00] <Trevinho> mitya57: hi, would you mind to check https://bugs.launchpad.net/snappy/+bug/1600136/comments/14 ?
[15:27] <Laney> afternoon Trevinho ...
[15:30] <willcooke> it's that time again
[15:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2017-02-07
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Feb  7 15:30:27 2017 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:30] <willcooke> Lots of people out today
[15:30] <willcooke> Roll call: andyrock (out), attente, desrt,  dgadomski(out), fjkong, flexiondotorg, happyaron (hols), hikiko, laney, qengho (out), seb128, sweet5hark (out), themuso (out), tkamppeter (hols), trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[15:30] <hikiko> hi
[15:30] <seb128> hey Trevinho!
[15:30] <seb128> _o/
[15:30] <flexiondotorg> o/
[15:31] <qengho_> Hey! I'm here.
[15:31] <Trevinho> o/
[15:31] <Trevinho> (hi seb128)
[15:31] <Trevinho> (and Laney )
[15:31] <Trevinho> (and others...)
[15:31] <desrt> word.
[15:33] <willcooke> let's start
[15:33] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:33] <willcooke> # worked on u8 branches after review
[15:33] <willcooke> # some reviews
[15:33] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:33] <attente> hey
[15:33] <attente> set up a ppa for general gtk-mir testing: https://launchpad.net/~attente/+archive/ubuntu/gtk-mir
[15:33] <attente> best to test with miral-shell instead of u8. there are some weird scaling issues with u8 (doesn't render windows if the width or height are greater than 480 o.O)
[15:34] <attente> (eof)
[15:34] <willcooke> nice one, thanks attente
[15:34] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:34] <desrt> hai
[15:34] <desrt> had a couple of part days due to travel, but still a pretty good week
[15:34] <desrt> lots of good conversations at fosdem, and reviewed a bunch of patches (in-person nagging is very effective)
[15:35] <desrt> work continues on the proxy.  it's shaping up pretty nicely, and i expect it to be usableish by next meeting
[15:35] <desrt> apparmor patches still outstanding :/
[15:35]  * willcooke makes a note to chase again
[15:35] <desrt> basically, aiming for gnome freezes here
[15:35] <desrt> eof
[15:36] <attente> feature freeze in a little over a week too...
[15:36] <willcooke> thanks desrt
[15:36] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:36] <willcooke> * working on bug #1598183 (testing patches suggested in upstream bug)
[15:36] <willcooke> * trying to reproduce bug #1646585
[15:36] <willcooke> * researching for bug #1654696
[15:36] <willcooke> #topic FJKong
[15:36] <FJKong> hi
[15:37] <FJKong> could you give me 1 min to prepare the update?
[15:37] <willcooke> FJKong, sure
[15:37] <FJKong> thx
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic flexiondotorg
[15:37] <flexiondotorg> Time appropriate greetings!
[15:37] <flexiondotorg> - Providing snap assistance to about a dozen ISVs and upstream projects currently.
[15:37] <flexiondotorg> - Drinking our own champagne. If there is a snap I've apt purged the debs and installed the snaps.
[15:37] <flexiondotorg> - Spotify snap tested by Spotify. Had feedback from Spotify, more improvements in progress and close to upstreaming. Meeting with them on Thursday.
[15:37] <flexiondotorg> - Assisting the Raspberry Pi Foundation with adding AppArmor to their kernel.
[15:37] <flexiondotorg> - Introduced Chad to John Cox from the Raspberry Pi Foundation regarding Chromium patches.
[15:37] <flexiondotorg> - Tested snaps, in particular classic snaps, on Ubuntu 14.04 (broken, but being fixed) and Debian 9 (working). snapd in Debian has had reexec reinstated recently.
[15:38] <flexiondotorg> - Helping some upstream Electron apps get snapping using pure Snapcraft and electron-builder. This is preparation ahead of more focused out reach to a number of high profile Electron projects.
[15:38] <flexiondotorg> 🎬
[15:38] <willcooke> thanks flexiondotorg
[15:38] <hikiko> +nice ascii
[15:38] <flexiondotorg> snap install emoj ;-)
[15:39] <willcooke> flexiondotorg, hikiko is working on the Mir b/e for Cr.  That will help / be of interest to Electron apps too soon.
[15:39] <willcooke> (plus andyrock is going to be helping on that too)
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic hikiko
[15:39] <hikiko> hi
[15:39] <hikiko> chromium: learning how gn and ninja work - i am now able to get compile errors
[15:39] <hikiko> from an almost empty "mir platform" under ozone (chromium doesn't use makefiles),
[15:39] <hikiko> got a look at mirclient code and mir basics, mir/miral servers etc
[15:39] <hikiko> lowgfx: fixed compiz (old lowgfx parts), some errors, about to do the review's fixes in ucc
[15:40] <hikiko> eof :)
[15:40] <hikiko> sorry
[15:40] <willcooke> thanks hikiko
[15:40] <willcooke> :)
[15:40] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:41] <Laney> ah crap, finding an emoji, one sec
[15:41] <Laney> OK!
[15:41] <Laney> • Went to FOSDEM - travelled & had a swap day
[15:41] <Laney> ∘ pink killer
[15:41] <Laney> • Verified gst 1.8.3 for xenial. It got released, but turns out there's a problem in -libav. Was only in proposed for like 3 months. Debugged that and filed an upstream bug https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=778283 to see how they want it to be fixed.
[15:41] <willcooke> lol
[15:41] <desrt> ...the important things in life
[15:41] <Laney> • asgen
[15:41] <Laney> ∘ worked on & pushed an efficiency improvement around base suites & stable releases
[15:41] <Laney> ∘ backported appstream to x/y
[15:41] <Laney> ∘ updated asgen in staging, tested the above fix, updated in production
[15:41] <Laney> ∘ as a bonus it should have fixed some other packages (e.g. wine works now)
[15:41] <Laney> • autopkgtest
[15:41] <desrt> +1 on pink killer
[15:41] <Laney> ∘ made it so that autopkgtest-buildvm-ubuntu-cloud and autopkgtest-virt-qemu can be used fully offline if you have a local archive mirror and a cloud image to hand (means you can run tests on the train for the next item)
[15:41] <Laney> ∘ worked on kernel oops detection in qemu runner during fosdem train - partially works, needs a bit more effort
[15:41] <Laney> ∘ issue with cp OOMing(!) on s390x when testing some packages, turned out to be hitting the limit on the lxc cgroup, which we were configuring to be 1800M. Raised that a bit
[15:41] <Laney> 🍶
[15:42] <willcooke> :D
[15:42] <willcooke> thanks a lot Laney
[15:42] <willcooke> qengho, are you really here?
[15:42] <qengho> Yep.
[15:42] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:42] <qengho> I can't do UTC to here math. :(
[15:42] <qengho> * in-progress: Debugging assertion failure in latest Chromium. It's a week old now. :( Must fix soon.
[15:42] <qengho> * in-progress: Upstreaming Cr patches from RPi dev.
[15:42] <qengho> * done: Updated browser test-snap.
[15:42] <qengho> * done: Some licensing research for legal team.
[15:43] <qengho> Also, helping tor get their bug fixes in X.
[15:43] <qengho> eof
[15:43] <willcooke> thanks qengho!
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[15:43] <seb128> Laney, would be good if we had some sort of autopkgtest or such on -av to make sure we don't regress, I've to admit I've no clue how to properly test is to verify the SRU for example
[15:43] <seb128> oh
[15:43] <seb128> • removed old-unmainted unity scopes from zesty
[15:43] <seb128> • reviewed/discussed geonames changes proposed by aacid
[15:43] <seb128> • went to fosdem was nice to see $people there, some nice discussions/sessions (including Bjoern's and p_itti's)
[15:43] <seb128> • started looking at emails from #is about langpack jobs issues
[15:43] <seb128> • trying to keep up with snappy world discussions/changes
[15:43] <seb128> • usual distro work (launchpads bugs triages, helped people on IRC, ...)

[15:44] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark
[15:44] <willcooke> - Thursday, Tuesday: travel
[15:44] <willcooke> - Friday: TDF BoD all-day meeting
[15:44] <willcooke> - Saturday, Sunday: FOSDEM
[15:44] <willcooke> - Monday, Tuesday: LibreOffice Hackfest https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/FOSDEM2017
[15:44] <willcooke> - LibreOffice <IP_ADDRESS> snap update
[15:44] <willcooke> - found various snap launchpad/store upload issues, workarounds
[15:44] <willcooke> - LibreOffice <IP_ADDRESS> to prereleases ppa
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
[15:44] <willcooke> * Contined looking into possible patches to backport from pulseaudio upstream for Xenial. Still testing and trying to determine how much can be backported without possibly breaking too much or changing too much of pulseaudio itself, if any. Was going to send a patch list to Konrad, but I haven't yet got a patch list finalized yet.
[15:44] <willcooke> * Trying to chase down a race condition at unity 7 desktop load in zesty. Sometimes the unity panel is accessible, sometimes not. For whatever reason, unity-panel-service often starts before at-spi and doesn't end up registerring its presence in the registry daemon.
[15:44] <willcooke> * Started looking into possibly getting espeak dropped from main if that hasn't happened automatically already, now that brltty and speech-dispatcher dont explicitly pull in espeak, and use espeak-ng instead.
[15:45] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[15:45] <Trevinho>  · Some updates to various snapcraft PRs (tests, refactoring)
[15:45] <Trevinho>  · Updated Qt patches
[15:45] <Trevinho>  · Prepared packages update to backport qt patches to ubuntu
[15:46] <Trevinho> · attended FOSDEM
[15:46] <Trevinho>  · Remmina upstream work for snapcraft push through travis
[15:46] <Trevinho> EOF
[15:46] <willcooke> thanks Trevinho
[15:46] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[15:47] <willcooke> - Landed snap:// support upstream in gnome-software
[15:47] <willcooke> - New features for snapd-glib
[15:47] <willcooke> - Small snapd fixes and documentation improvements
[15:47] <willcooke> #topic FJKong
[15:47] <FJKong> back
[15:47] <FJKong> learn about merge:
[15:47] <FJKong> 1 pygtk #1662101 finish and waiting for upload
[15:47] <FJKong> 2 subversion still in progressing
[15:47] <FJKong> just back from holiday
[15:47] <FJKong> not too much to update here
[15:47] <FJKong> eof
[15:47] <willcooke> thanks FJKong
[15:47] <willcooke> #topic AOB
[15:48] <willcooke> Anyone got any other news they want to share?
[15:48] <Laney> FJKong: no diff on there
[15:48] <FJKong> Laney: pygtk?
[15:49] <Laney> yes
[15:50] <willcooke> If no one has anything, let's close the meeting and Laney and FJKong can continue
[15:50] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[15:50] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Feb  7 15:50:15 2017 UTC.
[15:50] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2017/ubuntu-desktop.2017-02-07-15.30.moin.txt
[15:50] <willcooke> thanks all
[15:50] <seb128> thanks!
[15:50] <Laney> cheers
[15:50] <willcooke> Health note:  *finally* think I've got rid of this cough / cold / blargh \o/
[15:50] <Trevinho> good
[15:51] <Laney> seb128: testing> yes, but it's hard to think about how it could look in autopkgtest
[15:51] <jbicha> Laney: thanks for fixing up asgen
[15:51] <Laney> mhm
[15:52] <FJKong> Laney: I want to upload to lp, what format of url should i use?
[15:52] <Laney> FJKong: make a debdiff and attach that
[15:52] <Laney> debdiff debian_package.dsc your_new_package.dsc
[15:52] <seb128> Laney, yeah, I'm not sure either, maybe rather a build time thing that check the options enabled in the config.h (or whatever the buildsystem provides)?
[15:53] <FJKong> let m try
[15:53] <jbicha> is it possible to do an appstream update for xenial itself (not just xenial-updates, -security)? for instance unknown-horizons should show up in appstream now that some .xpm icons are allowed
[15:53] <Laney> no
[15:53] <Laney> https://github.com/ximion/appstream-generator/issues/29
[15:53] <jbicha> so I need to do a no-change rebuild in xenial-updates for any packages like that?
[15:54] <Laney> currently you need to upload the thing again
[15:54] <desrt> i don't know if i mentioned it, but gtk hackfest is coming up in london in march 20-22
[15:55] <desrt> makes sense for at least attente to go to that, and maybe laney based on proximity
[15:55] <Laney> an alternative to what I said there would be to make a package containing the appstream
[15:55] <desrt> (sorry for missing AOB)
[15:55] <Laney> probably still would need some work to generate that
[15:56] <Laney> I think fedora does it like that, maybe?
[15:57] <Laney> desrt: if it's the same room as the gnome-software hackfest (think it is) then it's pretty small
[15:57] <Laney> so my presence might be irritating
[15:58] <desrt> the venue has not yet been fully-determined
[16:00] <attente> the page says it's limited to 12 people
[16:00] <seb128> desrt, is there an agenda for the hackfest?
[16:00] <attente> seb128: https://wiki.gnome.org/Hackfests/GTK2017
[16:00] <seb128> attente, thanks
[16:01] <desrt> in particular, attente being there to bring the mir backend up to speed on GSK (and find out what is even required for that) would be very useful
[16:01] <seb128> yeah
[16:02] <seb128> the agenda seems GSK work only though
[16:02] <seb128> well, not my business to say if Laney is interested in that
[16:02] <desrt> that's just the points that people have added so far
[16:02] <desrt> as always, what is discussed is what is discussed
[16:02] <desrt> but ya... gsk will be a big issue there, clearly
[16:03] <desrt> i'm thinking about paying my own ticket to pop over and crash on a couch for a night or two
[16:05] <seb128> willcooke, ^ in any case one for you I guess, sending at least attente would make sense in context of GTK4/mir
[16:05] <willcooke> +1
[16:45] <jbicha> why is unity8 installing a bunch of -dev packages on zesty now?
[16:47] <Laney> jbicha: try to install unity8 a-dev-package- and then drill down
[16:53] <tyhicks> willcooke, desrt, attente: hey - the apparmor userspace patches are still on track and jjohansen should get them out this week
[16:53] <willcooke> woot - thanks tyhicks
[16:53] <desrt> tyhicks: how about the kernelside?
[16:53] <attente> awesome
[16:53] <desrt> ie: not returning "/" for the list
[16:53] <attente> that's user space
[16:53] <attente> kernel side patch was already committed
[16:53] <desrt> ah.  cool.
[16:53] <tyhicks> willcooke, desrt, attente: the apparmor kernel patches have already landed in zesty, yakkety, xenial, and are queued up for the 4.11 kernel merge window
[16:53] <desrt> i thought the issue was that the kernel didn't let us list out the dfa conents
[16:54] <desrt> *contents
[16:54] <tyhicks> jjohansen: can you comment? ^
[16:54] <jjohansen> oh you can get the contents of the dfa, but that is not what you want
[16:54] <desrt> okay.  i believe you :)
[16:55] <desrt> looking forward to the userspace stuff
[16:55] <tyhicks> desrt: what's still not there is the kernel -> userspace notification system but jj is going to continue working on that after the userspace stuff is finished
[16:55] <jjohansen> so first there are two parts.
[16:55] <jjohansen> part 1: key value store, that has landed in the kernel
[16:55] <jjohansen> part 2: is the update notification system, that has not though the goal is to land it this week
[16:55] <tyhicks> desrt: as we discussed, it's not the end of the world if the notifications aren't available immediately
[16:56] <jjohansen> userspace side, you will get an api to get a list out of the kernel, I should have those up later today/tomorrow
[16:56] <jjohansen> and you can start using them
[16:56] <jjohansen> the update notification side of things again later in the week
[16:57] <tyhicks> thanks jjohansen!
[16:57] <jjohansen> right, I will say notifications by eow is the goal but if needed it may take a little longer and we will deal with it
[16:59] <desrt> fwiw, there is nothing in the architecture on my side to deal with notifications, so that's something that i'd have to add here anyway
[16:59] <desrt> i don't expect that to make it by feature freeze
[17:02] <tyhicks> I don't expect the notification system to make feature freeze, either
[17:03] <tyhicks> maybe it is something we can request an exception for
[17:03] <tyhicks> we'll decided based on schedules and complexity
[17:31] <seb128> https://github.com/Microsoft/gvfs
[17:32] <Laney> bahaha
[17:32] <seb128> nice namespace conflict ;-)
[17:32] <seb128> https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/visualstudioalm/2017/02/03/announcing-gvfs-git-virtual-file-system/
[17:45] <chrisccoulson> seb128, lol
[17:45] <chrisccoulson> I'm familiar with name conflicts - we frequently have people pop in to #oxide, asking about http://oxidemod.org/ ;)
[17:45] <seb128> :-)
[18:01] <flexiondotorg> davmor2 That audio player you tested. It was missing from the Sound Indicator. Fixed it, will publish soon.
[18:03] <Laney> night!
[18:33] <davmor2> flexiondotorg: oh nice
[18:38] <willcooke> right, dinner time.  Night all
[20:14] <mitya57> Trevinho, re bug #1600136, your debdiff LGTM, but it's more for Mirv rather than me, because he can test on touch devices.


[07:09] <abogani> ScottL: Ok, thanks but please reply to my email (we should let visible all involvements).
[07:13] <abogani> ScottL: Two doubt: 1) No one show willingness to help with -lowlatency kernel.  2) Almost all people are interested in -rt kernel (which should do support closed video drivers and other things that -realtime don't).
[07:13] <abogani> ScottL: So how we should proceed?
[07:14] <abogani> holstein: Do you play Jazz? :-)
[07:30] <astraljava> abogani: I am willing to help no matter which flavor of kernel we choose to use. :D
[07:33] <abogani> astraljava: Sorry but It is matter instead.
[07:36] <astraljava> abogani: I'm not sure what you mean by that. :)
[08:02] <abogani> astraljava: I meant that I 'm not looking for helpers in general but in specific (so you must use one of my kernels on daily basis). In this way you can provide useful feedback and I can trust on you.
[08:10] <astraljava> abogani: Yeah, I didn't mean generally, I meant I want to help with the kernel that is chosen as default. Packaging, bugfixing, testing, you name it.
[08:11] <astraljava> abogani: If you want to provide several, then that's fine, I can help as well.
[12:03] <ronj> Hi, I just tested today's iso and it seems it fails to create the user directory. I used "use entire disk" and "setup encrypted home". Reading the contents of the disk by booting a livecd, it seems /home is empty (no "ronj" folder, no ".ecryptfs" folder). Don't know if it's specific to an ecryptfs setup or if it is also the case with a standard install, will do the test this evening
[12:03] <ronj> if anyone has the time to do it today, by all means please do so and report on the mailing list if you find something bad
[12:04] <ronj> ... release is approaching...
[12:50] <ScottL> abogani, i thought most would reply aobut the -rt kernel
[12:50] <ScottL> abogani, i will support the -lowlatency and learn how to build it
[12:51] <ScottL> abogani, but i will also support with relations of course
[12:51] <ScottL> abogani, i will respond to the email when i get to work today
[14:11]  * abogani waiting hopeful for the (single page) wiki volunteer ...
[22:35]  * scott-work finally sent an email about "tasks" and "workflows" to the -devel and -user lists
[22:35] <scott-work> i'm not really happy with my email but i had intended to do it over a week ago
[22:36] <scott-work> i don't want to keep putting it off trying to write a better, more explicitive email


[07:32] <noodles775> jcastro: Hi! Could you schedule my "Simpler re-usable charms with ansible" session when you get a chance? Weds 14UTC would suite me best (looks like DevOps1 is free then): http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1406/michael.nelson/meetings
[09:50] <thumper> hi stub, got a few minutes?
[09:54] <stub> thumper: sure
[09:58]  * thumper is trying to get the storage subordinate working
[09:59] <thumper> stub: any idea what values I should put in the block-storage-broker config for endpoint?
[09:59] <thumper> stub: using the default ec2
[09:59] <thumper> us-east-1 according to the config
[10:00] <thumper> s3.amazonaws.com?
[10:00] <stub> thumper: I don't know EC2 sorry.
[10:00] <thumper> hmm... ok
[10:00] <thumper> stub: any idea what chad's irc nick is?
[10:01] <thumper> stub: the default precise postgresql charm now supports the storage subordinate?
[10:01]  * thumper tries the deployer config he set up
[10:03] <stub> csmith isn't around, but our we-bops or landscape could help
[10:03] <stub> thumper: yes, the default precise postgresql charm supports the storage subordinate (and only the storage subordinate)
[10:03] <stub> trusty... not sure if that is live yet (in which case, I should push) or still being setup
[10:04] <thumper> kk
[10:04] <thumper> yeah, gone for precise
[10:04] <thumper> likely to shoehorn everything onto machine 0 :-)
[10:15] <thumper> hmm... endpoint is wrong
[10:21]  * thumper sighs
[10:22] <thumper> bugger
[10:35] <natefinch> marcoceppi_: are you up this early?
[10:36] <marcoceppi_> natefinch: I am!
[10:36] <natefinch> marcoceppi_: cool
[10:36] <marcoceppi_> (un)fortunately?
[10:36] <marcoceppi_> what's up?
[10:36] <natefinch> hah
[10:36] <natefinch> I'm writing a charm!  WHich means I'll have a lot of questions :)
[10:37] <natefinch> the charmtool outputs a README.ex .... if I make that README.md will it still work?
[10:37] <marcoceppi_> Fantastic!
[10:37] <marcoceppi_> natefinch: well, it "will" work but you'll get a bunch of proof errors about it being boilerplate
[10:37] <marcoceppi_> also, for the sake of the rest of this conversation, what verions charm tools are you running? charm version should tell you
[10:38] <natefinch> I just mean, if I change the extension it'll still show up.  I'll modify the contents
[10:38] <marcoceppi_> natefinch: oh, yeah, that's all you need to do
[10:38] <marcoceppi_> in fact, proof will complain if you have a .ex instead of a .md in your charm
[10:38] <natefinch> ok
[10:38] <natefinch> charm versoin says it's not a subcommand
[10:38] <natefinch> version that is
[10:38] <marcoceppi_> natefinch: you're not using the ppa version
[10:38] <marcoceppi_> safe yourself a lot of time
[10:39] <marcoceppi_> add ppa:juju/stable
[10:39] <marcoceppi_> install charm-tools from there
[10:40] <marcoceppi_> its' the differences between 1.0.0 and 1.2.10 are huge
[10:40] <marcoceppi_> including the readme.ex going from RST to MD
[10:40] <marcoceppi_> so hopefully you haven't written too much code
[10:41] <natefinch> marcoceppi_: barely any :)
[10:41] <marcoceppi_> whew, I'd go so far as to saying once updated, just run charm create again
[10:41] <marcoceppi_> you'll get like an icon template a better readme template, better metadata templates
[10:41] <marcoceppi_> better boilerplates
[10:41] <marcoceppi_> and better proof command
[10:41] <marcoceppi_> basically, better everything
[10:41] <natefinch> awesome,
[10:42] <natefinch> I'll do that once apt-get update finishes
[10:42] <marcoceppi_> \o/
[10:42] <natefinch> I wish adding a ppa always ran update-get update, at least to get the stuff from the ppa, sheesh
[10:43] <natefinch> btw, is there a way to have different charms for different architectures?  I want to make the charm in Go, but you have to have a different executable for each architecture
[10:43] <marcoceppi_> yeah, like to a partial apt-get update for that source to get the delta
[10:44] <marcoceppi_> that's, no - not at the moment
[10:44] <marcoceppi_> You could just compile the hooks during the install hook
[10:44] <natefinch> yeah
[10:44] <marcoceppi_> to make the runtime for the hooks at deploy time
[10:44] <marcoceppi_> but that seems, heavy
[10:44] <marcoceppi_> otherwise you'd have to package /hooks/$ARCH/<file> and just build a light weight dispatcher for each in /hooks/
[10:45] <natefinch> yeah, that's what I was thinking.  Also kinda heavy, since you'd need an executable per architecture
[10:45] <marcoceppi_> but the execs wouldn't be very big
[10:46] <marcoceppi_> it's a trade off, "JIT"-ish compilation, or possible missing archs
[10:46] <natefinch> go execs are bigger than normal, like 4 megs generally
[10:46] <marcoceppi_> could combine the two ideas
[10:46] <natefinch> how bad is it to have an architecture-specific charm?
[10:46] <marcoceppi_> pretty bad considering it doesn't exist yet
[10:46] <natefinch> so.... here's the thing.  I'm writing a charm for discourse
[10:46] <natefinch> discourse says it requires 64 bit ubuntu
[10:46] <natefinch> marcoceppi_: https://github.com/discourse/discourse_docker
[10:47] <marcoceppi_> well, it's a support requirement. I definitely have run discourse on i386
[10:47] <natefinch> *nod* I know, just sayin'
[10:47] <marcoceppi_> could do both, have hooks/$arch where arch is [amd64, i386] then have the install hook attempt to compile the src hooks if the arch isn't pre-loaded
[10:48] <natefinch> marcoceppi_: that's not a bad idea
[10:48] <marcoceppi_> so, you could have arch dependant but that's going to be sad news for people running power, arm, i386, etc
[10:48] <natefinch> yep
[10:48] <marcoceppi_> and we try to avoid as many sad pandas as possible
[10:49] <marcoceppi_> can you compile go for, say i386 on an amd64 machine?
[10:49] <natefinch> yes... cross compile works 100% awesome
[10:50] <natefinch> except for power which requires gccgo
[10:50] <marcoceppi_> interesting. So, you /could/ and I mean it'd be beat up pretty badly in review, have it just for amd64 and provide instructions or a simple make file for people to pull the charm, build the hooks in their arch of choice, then deploy local
[10:50] <natefinch> not my fault juju keeps supporting all these wacky-ass platforms :)
[10:51] <marcoceppi_> hah, well we strongly frown on provider specific charms, I think only one has made it past review
[10:51] <marcoceppi_> so I can only imagine (well I can imagine, actually) we'd really beat up a charm that only supported an architecture
[10:52] <natefinch> heh
[10:52] <marcoceppi_> but, I wouldn't let that slow you down
[10:52] <natefinch> yeah, but it would work on every provider!  And you're not supposed to care about the OS
[10:52] <natefinch> just sayin' :)
[10:53]  * marcoceppi_ places head on his hands, and looks dreamily in to the distance
[10:56] <natefinch> what is charm home?
[10:56] <marcoceppi_> in relation to?
[10:57] <natefinch> charm create
[10:57] <natefinch> also, are there no help docs?  charm help create doesn't seem to do anything
[10:57] <marcoceppi_> ah, that's just the directory you want the charm to be created in, for example `charm create foo /tmp/baz` will give you /tmp/baz/foo
[10:57] <marcoceppi_> charm create -h
[10:58] <natefinch> ahh
[10:58]  * marcoceppi_ needs to make a help helper
[10:58] <natefinch> I saw the -h under charm create usage, but it didn't say what -h was for, so I didn't realize it was for help :)
[10:59]  * natefinch has chicken and egg problems
[11:01] <natefinch> gah... I want a way to spit out the charm in *this* directory, not a subdirectory :/
[11:01] <natefinch> apologies for the complain-a-thon :)
[11:01] <marcoceppi_> omit the charmhome
[11:01] <marcoceppi_> oh
[11:02] <marcoceppi_> you mean like, mkdir -p /charm/trusty/my-charm; cd $_; charm create .
[11:03]  * marcoceppi_ narrows eyes at the complain-a-thon
[11:04] <natefinch> exacrtly... I expected charm create . to create it *here* not in a subdirectory.  If I wanted a subdirectory, I'd do charm create ./foo
[11:05]  * natefinch does charm create ../
[11:05] <natefinch> ...which doesn't work because the directory already exists
[11:06] <marcoceppi_> bugs are "welcome"
[11:06] <natefinch> marcoceppi_: point me the way :)
[11:06] <marcoceppi_> though, I'm going to say this is more the operator cutting himself with paper
[11:06] <marcoceppi_> natefinch: http://launchpad.net/charm-tools :D
[11:07] <natefinch> I dunno... there's ought to be SOME way to dump a charm in the current directory
[11:09] <marcoceppi_> I can add a --natefinch-really-wanted-this flag :P
[11:10] <natefinch> it's like git clone ... git clone juju  creates a juju directory here, if you instead do git clone juju ., it dumps the repo in the current directory, and if you do git clone juju ./foo, it creates the foo subdirectory and dumps the files in there.
[11:11]  * marcoceppi_ nods
[11:11] <marcoceppi_> we can make charm create smarter
[11:17] <natefinch> marcoceppi_: btw, I love the charm tools logo.  That's clever.
[11:17] <marcoceppi_> natefinch: hah, thanks!
[11:18] <natefinch> btw, what does this mean: Failed to find discourse in apt cache, creating an empty charm instead.
[11:19] <marcoceppi_> natefinch: it attempts to look the charm name up in apt, if it finds it charm create will pre-fill metadata.yaml with some details
[11:19] <marcoceppi_> it's something that was moved over from the original charm-tools. i'll probably drop it eventually because it just flat out doesn't work on mac or windows machines
[11:19] <marcoceppi_> and it's not a huge value add
[11:20] <natefinch> yeah.... I could see it being something that happens with a flag, like --apt or something, if you know that's what you want it to do, but I could see names that happen to match things in apt that would not be the correct behavior
[12:11] <natefinch> the instructions to install docker involve piping the output of wget https://get.docker.io to sh... seems legit
[12:17] <marcoceppi_> natefinch: yeah, I hate those. Same with RVM
[12:18] <marcoceppi_> there's not much you can really do. Security is a thing fo the pass when you got a `wget | sudo sh -` one liner
[12:18] <marcoceppi_> s/pass/past/
[12:18] <natefinch> yep
[12:18] <natefinch> le sigh
[12:43] <lazyPower> security? thats still a thing?
[12:45] <marcoceppi_> no, nooo...
[12:45]  * marcoceppi_ pulls the wool over lazyPower's eyes
[12:46] <lazyPower> ahhh ignorance is bliss
[12:49]  * hazmat adds some bliss to morning coffee
[12:49] <hazmat> natefinch, you can also grab from their deb repo..
[12:51] <marcoceppi_> that's a way friendlier idea
[13:19] <natefinch> hazmat: that sounds much nicer
[13:30] <hazmat> natefinch yeah.. its wget | gpg --verify --sign | sudo sh - one liner ;-)
[13:33] <lazyPower> haha
[13:33] <lazyPower> #trolledhard
[14:17] <mhshams_> hi, got some basic questions about juju, i hope here is the right place to ask.
[14:17] <mhshams_> Does juju provides an API, (REST for example), so that one can use it from another application ?
[14:19] <marcoceppi_> mhshams_: yes, it's a websocket
[14:21] <mhshams_> @marcoceppi : where can I found some document or other info about it ?
[14:22] <marcoceppi_> mhshams_: https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/master/doc/api.txt
[14:22] <marcoceppi_> Not the friendliest of docs
[14:22] <marcoceppi_> mhshams_: if you're using Python, there's a jujuclient python package which does all that ofr you
[14:38] <mhshams_> @marcoceppi thanks for the hints.
[14:57] <jamespage> someone was asking about the ceph charms and using different networks for client access vs cluster resyncs
[14:58] <jamespage> I have some branches ready for review that implement this if anyone wants to test
[14:58] <lazyPower> designated: ^
[14:58] <marcoceppi_> jamespage: ah, awesome, yeah I told himto ask on the list
[14:58] <marcoceppi_> oh good he's around!
[15:20] <nuclearbob> can anybody here help me with something in the juju-tools branch?
[15:31] <marcoceppi_> nuclearbob: juju-tools?
[15:54] <nuclearbob> marcoceppi_, sorry, got distracted.  Can I use canonistack-sshuttle from a canonistack instance?  That seems to be causing me problems
[16:24] <rbasak> jamespage: looks like there are about ~21 bugs for Trusty SRU 1.18.1 -> 1.18.4.
[16:24] <rbasak> jamespage: do we want to individually do SRU paperwork for each of those then?
[16:38] <designated> jamespage, where can i find those charms you wrote?
[16:41] <jamespage> designated, one sec
[16:41] <jamespage> designated, top three branches here - https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page
[16:42] <jamespage> designated, I have further work todo to enable all things that relate to ceph to use the public network addresses
[16:42] <jamespage> but that should give you a feel on what's possible
[16:43] <jamespage> rbasak, I'd really hope we don't need todo that
[17:01] <designated> jamespage, thank you
[17:34] <marcoceppi_> jose: I need ubuntu on air stuff setup
[18:32] <jose> marcoceppi_: I'm here now, what's up?
[18:34] <lazyPower> jose: troubleshooting I on charm school schedule today
[18:34] <lazyPower> can we get UoA setup for it?
[18:34] <jose> lazyPower: yeah, I know
[18:34] <jose> erm, you want me to host the hangout?
[18:34] <jose> sure, I can do that
[18:34] <lazyPower> i know nothing of this UoA sorcery
[18:34] <lazyPower> you are the holder of the magic beans on that project sir
[18:34]  * mbruzek wants to learn
[18:35] <jose> lemme grab a quick snack and I'll be around
[18:35] <mbruzek> I want to learn how to do the UoA
[18:35] <jose> you gotta have some secret codes for that ;)
[18:50] <lazyPower> jose: we g2g?
[18:50] <jose> lazyPower: I was having lunch, almost ready
[18:50] <mbruzek> Ubuntu on Air
[18:51] <mbruzek> With Jose !
[18:52] <mbruzek> we need a url
[18:57] <marcoceppi_> mbruzek: looks like lazyPower is doing this one solo ;)
[18:57] <lazyPower> marcoceppi_: you got an invite
[18:57] <marcoceppi_> lazyPower: can you pm me the URL, it's not ringing
[18:58] <axisys> is there a view only url?
[18:58] <lazyPower> axisys: ubuntuonair.com
[18:58] <axisys> http://ubuntuonair.com/ is showing the one from yesterday
[18:59] <axisys> I guess it will refresh when ready?
[18:59] <lazyPower> You will need to refresh the page, but it will update with teh current session when its active.
[18:59] <axisys> I see it now.. thanks
[19:01] <mbruzek> marcoceppi_, are you OK?
[19:03] <lazyPower> stream is live
[19:03] <axisys> yep
[19:03] <lazyPower> Feel free to ask questions!
[19:03] <arosales> stream looks good
[19:16] <axisys> I had to run this to make juju lxc work
[19:16] <axisys> https://gist.githubusercontent.com/allomov/11373534/raw/bd430c2c92116340f2fa5d124b769c555946609d/solution.sh
[19:16] <axisys> on Apr 28
[19:16] <lazyPower>  axisys interesting. what was the use case that installing juju-local didn't resolve?
[19:17] <axisys> right
[19:17] <axisys> I am going to try again after this hangout
[19:17] <axisys> with may be newer juju
[19:18] <axisys> referring to this thread
[19:18] <axisys> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/juju/2014-April/003749.html
[19:22] <axisys> so what does bootstrap do? do you need to run bootstrap before doing any juju <environment> ?
[19:23] <mbruzek> https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/config-LXC.html
[19:25] <axisys> would be nice if you can start a hadoop local?
[19:25] <axisys> I was never been successful
[19:27] <axisys> here is my thread from apr
[19:27] <axisys> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/juju/2014-April/003737.html
[19:27] <axisys> I have 8G ram
[19:27] <axisys> and 1TB disk
[19:27] <axisys> running trusty
[19:28] <lazyPower> asanjar: axisys was asking about hadoop on local
[19:28] <asanjar> axisys: how may I help
[19:28] <jose> axisys: that's a fixed bug
[19:30] <axisys> ok, I will try again.. thanks for your help
[19:31] <axisys> good to know.. I use vagrant a lot
[19:43] <lazyPower> Do any of our viewers have any burning issues they've run into that they would like to see how a ~charmer would debug?
[19:52] <axisys> thanks a lot!
[20:02] <lazyPower> Thanks everyone for attending. Great success of a charm school today.
[20:04] <mbruzek> jose you still there?
[21:05] <dpb1> Hi -- I'm trying to give a user permission to bootstrap and destroy a local env through sudo.  what command do I need to allow?
[21:17] <roadmr> dpb1: hm, my tests show that for the initial bootstrap, juju basically does "sudo /bin/bash -s"; so maybe you'll have to allow bash invocation like this
[21:17] <roadmr> dpb1: given that, the user will essentially be able to do anything as root, so you may as well give him access to everything I think :/
[21:18] <dpb1> roadmr: :(
[21:18] <roadmr> dpb1: I may be wrong, though, my investigation was a bit primitive
[21:18] <dpb1> roadmr: ok, thanks.  I will probably go another route then. :0
[21:18] <roadmr> dpb1: (I just did a juju bootstrap and looked in /var/log/auth.log to see which commands get run by sudo)
[21:18] <dpb1> roadmr: thankfully the jenv files are portable (with some catches), so that works
[21:19] <roadmr> dpb1: cool :) sorry I couldn't provide a nicer answer
[21:19] <dpb1> roadmr: np, appreciate the help
[22:15] <themonk> where should i put lock file so that between restarts of lxc it will persist
[22:57] <themonk> lazyPower: hi


[06:14] <zryan> how to install (ubuntu touch) on galaxy s4???
[18:01] <jose> mhall119: it has
[18:01] <nik90> mhall119: you are live
[18:01] <ahayzen> mhall119, we can see u :)
[18:01] <tvoss> o/
[18:07] <nik90> hmm why is tvoss in black and white
[18:07] <tvoss> nik90, vintage :)
[18:07] <nik90> tvoss: lol :)
[18:07] <mhall119> any questions, go ahead and ask them now
[18:16] <nik90> thnx mhall119
[18:17] <ahayzen> thanks mhall119 tvoss
[18:17] <tvoss> ahayzen, yw :)


[07:38] <furkan> is there any reason why i shouldn't be able to build Mesa from git on Ubuntu 14.04? i narrowed down my bug to between Mesa 10.1.3 and 10.3.2
[07:39] <furkan> and i'm using the instructions from here to build Mesa from git: http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeonBuildHowTo/
[07:39] <furkan> it builds fine and i'm able to install it to /opt/xorg and point my LIBGL_DRIVERS_PATH environment variable to it
[07:40] <furkan> but then when i try to log in, unity fails to launch and i just get kicked back to the lightdm greeter
[07:40] <furkan> i couldn't really find anything useful in the logs that i looked at
[07:41] <furkan> i thought maybe i need to apply the ubuntu patches, but i'm not sure how to go about doing that
[11:24] <tjaalton> shouldn't need anything special
[16:22] <furkan> based on that guide, i did "./autogen.sh --prefix=/opt/xorg --with-dri-drivers="radeon" --with-gallium-drivers="radeonsi,swrast" --with-dri-driverdir=/opt/xorg/lib/dri/"
[16:23] <furkan> and then make, followed by make install
[16:23] <furkan> and when i try "ldconfig -p | grep libGL.so" the libraries from /opt/xorg show up first
[16:24] <furkan> but when i try glxinfo i get "glxinfo: symbol lookup error: /opt/xorg/lib/libGL.so.1: undefined symbol: __glX_tls_Context"
[16:24] <furkan> i also tried adding --enable-glx-tls to the autogen script, but no difference
[16:26] <furkan> googling the error gives me 2 results from #dri-devel IRC logs lol
[16:53] <tjaalton> ldd /opt/xorg/lib/libGL.so.1
[16:55] <tjaalton> xorg log too
[17:05] <furkan> tjaalton: here's the first http://pastebin.com/hMvbyz14
[17:06] <furkan> and the second: http://pastebin.com/2jDmFhTk
[17:06] <furkan> i get the same __glX_tls_Context error in the xorg log
[17:24] <tjaalton> --enable-glx-tls for mesa
[17:27] <tjaalton> since the xserver is built with it
[17:33] <furkan> tjaalton: yeah, i included that, you mean with autogen.sh right?
[17:33] <furkan> (mentioned above)
[17:34] <tjaalton> yes
[17:35] <tjaalton> oh, I see
[17:39] <tjaalton> forgot to run make install perhaps
[17:39] <furkan> can't be, i ran that too, and i can verify that it copies everything into /opt/xorg
[17:42] <furkan> yeah i just tried it again to make sure it was putting everything in the right place, it's all going straight in /opt/xorg
[17:42] <furkan> is it possible that ubuntu just ignores those?
[17:43] <tjaalton> no
[17:44] <furkan> and the configuration in that guide is still up to date?
[17:44] <furkan> i created the file /etc/ld.so.conf.d/a-local-xorg.conf
[17:44] <furkan> put "/opt/xorg/lib" in it, and ran ldconfig
[17:45] <furkan> and setting the LIBGL_DRIVERS_PATH=/opt/xorg/lib/dri/ environment variable
[17:46] <furkan> but if i'm understanding right, that part may be unnecessary if using the --enable-glx-tls flag
[17:46] <furkan> "Problem with this configuration is that AIGLX doesn't respect it. This means that compiz doesn't get advantage of new driver.
[17:46] <furkan> It is possible to get the new libGL and dri drivers used without setting LIBGL_DRIVERS_PATH:"
[17:52] <tjaalton> dunno
[17:59] <tjaalton> you probably need to remove /etc/ld.so.conf.d/x86_64-linux-gnu_GL.conf
[17:59] <tjaalton> or at least try with that elsewhere
[18:05] <furkan> tjaalton: i'll give that a shot
[18:05] <furkan> i've got it narrowed down to between 10.2 and 10.3.2 now
[18:06] <furkan> since i just noticed Maarten had a 10.2 build in trusty-proposed
[18:22] <furkan> tjaalton: i think that fixed it dude...
[18:22] <furkan> glxinfo doesn't throw the error anymore
[18:22]  * furkan tries restarting X
[18:26] <furkan> this is so weird
[18:27] <furkan> when i put that file in ld.so.conf.d, X starts in low graphics mode
[18:27] <furkan> i removed it, but left the LIBGL_DRIVERS_PATH environment variable intact
[18:27] <furkan> now it runs fine
[18:27] <furkan> and:
[18:28] <furkan> furkan@furkan-trusty:~$ LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo 2>&1 >/dev/null | grep so$
[18:28] <furkan> libGL: OpenDriver: trying /opt/xorg/lib/dri//tls/radeonsi_dri.so
[18:28] <furkan> libGL: OpenDriver: trying /opt/xorg/lib/dri//radeonsi_dri.so
[18:28] <furkan> that double-slash looks weird
[18:28] <furkan> but i also get "OpenGL ES profile version string: OpenGL ES 2.0 Mesa 10.2.1 (git-1b69ea1)"
[18:28] <furkan> which is what i just built
[18:47] <tjaalton> nice
[20:42] <furkan> tjaalton: i think i found the bad commit
[20:42] <furkan> "4a5519f1e019dbf1103e4f3abe0a695637a87518 is the first bad commit"
[20:42] <furkan> r600g,radeonsi: set correct initial domain for shared resources
[20:44] <furkan> i've got a but report filed @ freedesktop and was asked to do the bisect, so we'll see if it gets fixed


[00:45] <tsimonq2> so the Kernel newsletter says that the current cycle is a cycle that ended three days ago, and the next cycle has already begun...what's up with that?
[00:45] <tsimonq2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Newsletter/2016-02-23 for reference
[08:21] <marlinc> What would be the recommended channel to ask questions on driver related stuff. In this case its about a Iiyama touchscreen
[08:39] <apw> tsimonq2, that'd be an error by the sounds of it
[08:40] <apw> tsimonq2, it is easy to forget to update that, as the newsletter is weekly, but the cycles change 3 weekly
[08:40] <apw> jsalisbury, ^
[08:41] <apw> marlinc, you could ask here, we may redirect you after we find out what the nature of the question is
[08:44] <marlinc> I've got a Iiyama ProLite T2452MTS touchscreen but its not registering anything
[08:45] <marlinc> It does show up as a input device
[08:45] <marlinc> Listening to it with 'input-events' doesn
[08:45] <marlinc> Listening to it with 'input-events' doesn't show anything though so I'm not sure how to continue from there
[08:45] <marlinc> It shows up as 'Bus 003 Device 014: ID 093a:8002 Pixart Imaging, Inc.'
[08:52] <apw> marlinc, which series/kernel are you running ?
[08:52] <marlinc> Description:	Ubuntu Xenial Xerus (development branch)
[08:52] <marlinc> Linux marlinc-laptop 4.4.0-6-generic #21-Ubuntu SMP Tue Feb 16 20:32:27 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[08:59] <smb> marlinc, in theory this site states it should be using the generic hid-multitouch. Though it might not have an alias to load it... http://lii-enac.fr/en/architecture/linux-input/multitouch-devices.html
[09:03] <marlinc> How would I try that out smb, not sure if I currently have the wrong module loaded
[09:04] <smb> hm, no... I can see that id (though as hid) in the hid-multitouch driver even in Trusty... question would be whether the usb devide is bound to somehting... think that can be seen via sysfs
[09:05] <marlinc> https://gist.github.com/Marlinc/7536ba44d19287233824
[09:06] <marlinc> What would I have to do to check that smb
[09:07] <smb> marlinc, cannot find it again but your output shows that it got detected by the hid driver at least
[09:07] <marlinc> Stuff in /sys/bus/hid/devices/0003\:093A\:8002.0011/ ?
[09:07] <smb> so ls-input should list it
[09:07] <marlinc> It does list it, wait
[09:08] <smb> and then input-events 0
[09:08] <smb> should print events
[09:08] <marlinc> The issue is that it doesn't show anything
[09:08] <marlinc> https://gist.github.com/Marlinc/6c23677ccd053bf851b5
[09:08] <smb> oh wait
[09:08] <marlinc> Tried that already ;)
[09:08] <smb> no input45?
[09:09] <marlinc> https://gist.github.com/Marlinc/c6ce012dd2dccfbaf6c8
[09:09] <marlinc> That's it
[09:12] <smb> marlinc, seems it shows up there as event11
[09:12] <smb> So input-events 11
[09:14] <marlinc> Yea, that's the link above that. Doesn't show anything when I touch the screen
[09:17] <smb> Hm, that would be as much as I could help. Might be broken, might be the vendor having replaced the complete internals while keeping the old id...
[09:18] <marlinc> Probably not going to work then :p
[09:19] <marlinc> Lets see if I can find a manual that hopefully has information on the support
[09:19] <marlinc> Might have to enable it, not sure
[09:20] <marlinc> Ah, I guess it does work. You appear to need a 'touchpen'
[09:21] <marlinc> Which doesn't do anything
[09:23] <smb> That sounds a bit backwards... with everything being touch with ones fingers nowadays...
[09:24] <marlinc> Mm should support finger touch as well..
[09:24] <marlinc> Then I guess its broken
[09:26] <smb> marlinc, Could be. Though I would not say I am absolutely sure there.
[09:27] <marlinc> Yea, I guess there's no way to test that so :p
[09:27] <marlinc> Wait there is, I can at least see if there's 'traffic' going over the USB connection with Wireshark
[09:30] <marlinc> Interesting, its trying to access the stream from the wrong path. Its trying to open it from /sys/kernel/debug/usbmon/0t but its in /sys/kernel/debug/usb/usbmon/0t
[09:30] <marlinc> I can't create symlinks in /sys so that's a bit problematic :P
[09:36] <marlinc> smb, ^?
[09:39] <smb> marlinc, erm, that would be wireshark using the path, wouldn't it?
[09:39] <marlinc> tcpdump has the same issue
[09:39] <marlinc> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libpcap/+bug/523349
[09:39] <marlinc> This is the exact issue
[09:39] <marlinc> That patch would fix it even
[09:40] <marlinc> Not sure why the bug is back
[09:44] <smb> marlinc, that could be that the wireshark package got rebased and accidentally dropped a fix. I have not looked there though. At least the kernel path did not change that recently its the usb/usbmon in  3.13 already
[10:05] <marlinc> Do I have to re-open the issue smb?
[10:07] <smb> marlinc, Generally its better to report it as a new bug (even if then someone marks it duplicate). But imo its a new issue to have the wrong path again. In theory you should be able to use "ubuntu-bug wireshark"
[10:08] <marlinc> It doesn't appear to be an issue in wireshark. Its an issue in libpcap. tcpdump has the same issue
[10:08] <genkgo> hello, i read everywhere that linux kernel 4 can be updated without reboot. i am on trusty (14.04.3) with wily kernels. now i upgraded from 4.2.0-27 to 4.2.0-30. but now uname -a still says 4.2.0-27. how can i update without the reboot?
[10:08] <smb> ah ok... so just to replace wireshark with pcap I guess... hope...
[10:09] <smb> I mean libpcap
[10:09] <smb> whatever the package name is
[10:28] <smb> genkgo, not at all with 4.2. You mean life-patching and that is not supported at all before 4.4. And even with it being possible, it does not mean you can update complete kernels without reboot. There are technical limitations to what can be done without reboot. And even what can be done needs to be provided in a special format.
[10:29] <genkgo> smb: ok, thanks for the explanation. so basically, i just need to reboot, right?
[10:29] <genkgo> for the update from 4.2.0-27 to 4.2.0-30?
[10:29] <smb> marlinc, One other thing you might try is to try a newer mainline kernel (and personally I would enable grub menu to do that)
[10:29] <smb> genkgo, yes
[10:29] <genkgo> alright, thanks
[10:32] <smb> marlinc, Just happened to see some enlantech related stable patch (pulled back from 4.5) on some mailing list. Could be totally unrelated but before having to talk to some support hotline...
[10:47] <marlinc> I could try a new kernel smb
[10:47] <marlinc> I have ZFS as root fs so I can simply clone the existing FS and play with that
[10:48] <marlinc> Yesterday I played with unity8 that way
[10:52] <marlinc> How would I go about doing that smb?
[10:55] <genkgo> smb: i have another question. i have three ubuntu machines. two are running linux-image-4.2.0-30-generic, but one is running linux-image-4.2.0-31-generic. how come that that machine picks up 31 while the others do not?
[10:55] <smb> marlinc, Hm, rather carefully in that case. If you download and install one of http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/?C=N;O=D you have to be careful to check whether the zfs dkms module still builds. Otherwise there will be panic (first the kernel and then probably you ;)) Thats why I suggest changing grub to remove the hidden timeout
[10:56] <smb> genkgo, Could be that you enabled proposed on that one machine in the past
[10:56] <genkgo> smb, that could be, how can i look that up?
[10:56] <marlinc> Well I guess I have to manually compile ZFS in that case as DKMS is no longer being used in 16.04 for ZFS
[10:57] <genkgo> smb: "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/canonical-kernel-team/ppa/ubuntu trusty main"
[10:57] <smb> genkgo, either via gui software sources (I think) or grep proposed /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:57] <genkgo> smb does not pick up proposed?
[10:57] <genkgo> does that pick up proposed?
[10:57] <smb> marlinc, Oh right. forgot that got switched
[10:58] <smb> genkgo, actually that picks up packages as soon as they get uploaded... not sure that should be there by default
[11:00] <smb> genkgo, kernels get uploaded and built there and then copied to the proposed pocket. So I would disable the ppa and just enable the proposed pocket (if you want to have kernels as soon as they get into testing and bug verification)
[11:03] <smb> marlinc, Might be much less painful if you had some other box using a more traditional fs to attach to that touchscreen for experiments...
[11:03] <genkgo> smb, thanks, i will remove the ppa
[11:04] <genkgo> smb, i was involved in bug verification, so i think i left it there
[11:07] <smb> genkgo, Hm... maybe at some point in the past that was done that way. But nowadays I would say there is absolutely no need (rather being dangerous) to have the ppa enabled.
[11:10] <genkgo> smb: it was, back then i need to upgrade to vivid kernels. nowadays i can install -vivid and -wily.
[12:40] <tsimonq2> apw: alright thanks :)
[15:27] <dannf> ogasawara: i think i have a pull request stuck in moderation - would you mind taking a look? also - i'm curious about why mailman hates about my mail - let me know if its something i can change on my end.
[15:40] <manjo> apw, anything else you need from me on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/1548120/ ?
[16:07] <ogasawara> dannf: heya, sorry was on a call.  I just checked the queue and I didn't see anything from you.  What was the subject line?
[16:08] <ogasawara> dannf: maybe someone beat me to moderating it
[16:09] <apw> manjo, nope, all uploaded, waiting on the grinders to grind
[16:09] <dannf> ogasawara: np. weird...[PULL][Xenial] Fix ARM KVM guest hangs w/ host ntp
[16:09] <apw> dannf, i think i moderated that before today, odd
[16:09] <manjo> apw, thanks a ton .. the bug is still marked inprogress and block-proposed I think ...
[16:09] <apw> manjo, don't worry
[16:09] <manjo> ok ☺
[16:10] <manjo> apw, cust is watching that bug ... so brought it up
[16:10] <dannf> apw: oh weird - ok. i just didn't see it come in via the list. /me checks archive
[16:10] <dannf> apw: curious - what is causing my msgs to get moderated?
[16:11] <dannf> apw: yep - msg is in the archive. sorry for the false alarm, i'll blame gmail :)
[16:12] <apw> you must be subscribed to the list under a different alias to you are sending, like for me apw@ or andy.foo@
[16:12] <ogasawara> dannf: indeed, I see you subscribed as<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:13] <dannf> ogasawara: ah, i can fix that.
[20:39] <lamont> jsalisbury: all yours, sir.  I threw some additional info at the bug, too.
[20:40] <jsalisbury> lamont, great, thanks
[20:40] <cristian_c> jsalisbury: hi
[20:40] <jsalisbury> cristian_c, hello
[20:40] <lamont> jsalisbury: presumably there should be no issue with me just living on this kernel, true?
[20:41] <jsalisbury> lamont, ther shouldn't be.  It's the stock kernel with a single revert.
[20:41] <lamont> woot
[20:42] <lamont> I shall test it with passion then
[20:42] <lamont> (that is to say, I
[20:42] <lamont> ll keep using it)
[20:42] <jsalisbury> lamont, great.  I'll contact the upstream patch author for feedback
[20:42] <lamont> it's entirely possible that his delay is simply too short
[20:43] <lamont> actually.... wanna unrevert that, make the delay 3 seconds, and toss me the resulting kernel?
[20:43] <lamont> because 2 orders of magnitude should do the trick, right?
[20:44] <lamont> I almost tried building a kernel in that bisect, but there was no debian/ directory, and I decided that life was short
[20:44] <jsalisbury> heh, yeah, I'll build you another kernel
[20:44] <lamont> I'm totally going off of memory on the commit loog talking about a  30 (or 50) mSec delay
[20:51] <jsalisbury> lamont, looking at the patch, it does 3 retries at 10ms each for a total of 30ms
[20:51] <cristian_c> jsalisbury: have you taken a look at my patch?
[20:51] <lamont> jsalisbury: make it 300 retries and log how many after it passes?
[20:51] <lamont> :D
[20:51] <lamont> this is a big rock, I admit
[20:51] <jsalisbury> cristian_c, I have not yet.  I can submit it upstream for you if you want, or post directions in the bug
[20:52] <cristian_c> jsalisbury: what do you suggest?
[20:52] <jsalisbury> lamont, worth a try.  I'll also ping upstream and see what they think.
[20:52] <jsalisbury> cristian_c, either way is fine.  I can try to submit it this week.
[20:52] <lamont> jsalisbury: definitely logging the count, because I expect that to be hilarious
[20:53] <cristian_c> jsalisbury: ok