[02:18] <Raskall> sadneophite: no. I aim using amule on ubuntu while installing XP as a guest os in vmware. :)
[02:18] <sparkling> i'll try also this
[02:18] <Elen> sparkling,  if you're going to try atitvout, try this: go to a console (Ctrl+Alt+F1 for example, and Alt+F7 to come back to X11) and run as root: atitvout -f t  (that's for my card, there's another option you can put instead of -f, try atitvout -h)
[02:18] <stazz> Has anyone got experience with DMIX ?
[02:18] <duken> visor, thanks, xmms can sound now
[02:18] <Raskall> sadneophite: ubuntu is the host os.
[02:18] <duken> :-)
[02:19] <sadneophite> raskall problebly not directly
[02:19] <chaitatp> i am goint to take a  bath now thanks claint and monterio
[02:19] <sadneophite> raskall do you have a pentium 120?
[02:19] <Raskall> sadneophite: hmm.. annoying. I want my Lost episodes. :)
[02:19] <visor> duken: youre welcome to the nice ubuntu community :)
[02:19] <duken> i can hear my gun's n roses again
[02:19] <Raskall> sadneophite: no. Pentium 4M, 512 Megs mem.
[02:19] <duken> hhehehe
[02:20] <Raskall> sadneophite: but its a laptop with a 4200 rpm disk, so I/O is suffering right now.
[02:20] <duken> ok i'm have go now
[02:20] <mishof> Q about samba: when i try to access my computer from windows i get password / username prompt - how can i prevent it ?
[02:20] <sadneophite> raskall then I would expect it to be okay, except that you need to remember that the vmware modules are not likely to be 'NICE'
[02:20] <duken> here was night
[02:20] <Burgundavia> mishof, enable anonymous access
[02:20] <Livingstone> what about xmame on hoary?
[02:20] <duken> eh wait
[02:20] <visor> duken: welcome to the jungle then... xD
[02:20] <sparkling> Elen, i've a radeon 9600 se, do you think it can work also for mine card?
[02:20] <sadneophite> Raskall it is the hard drive emulation
[02:20] <Burgundavia> Livingstone, it is there. What do you need help with?
[02:20] <Elen> sparkling, yes
[02:21] <Elen> sparkling, it's good to try in the console so you know if it can work, then making it work correctly with X is another problem
[02:21] <Livingstone> Burgundavia:  apt-cache search mame; returns other thins
[02:21] <Raskall> sadneophite: :) I know. If vmware gives problems for aMule I will just not use them at the same time. :) But I will have to wait until xp has finished installing.
[02:21] <makkia> hello
[02:21] <Elen> (note that with mplayer you can watch movies in the console too :) )
[02:21] <makkia> during the dist-upgrade (warty -> hoary)
[02:22] <makkia> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[02:22] <makkia>   libortp0 libmediastreamer0 libosipua2 liblinphonegnome0 liblinphone0 linphone-nox
[02:22] <makkia> why ?
[02:22] <Burgundavia> Livingstone, you need -sdl or -x
[02:22] <Raskall> sadneophite: I will not use XP a lot at all, but need it to support my anti virus customers. There are very few left of them, but still.
[02:22] <makkia> ah i know
[02:22] <makkia> sorry
[02:22] <Burgundavia> makkia, do you have non-ubuntu repos in your list?
[02:22] <makkia> is linphone
[02:23] <Burgundavia> makkia, linphone is in the hoary repos
[02:23] <Livingstone> apt-cache search mame
[02:23] <Livingstone> pcrd - PCR-1000 Control Daemon / Command Line Interface
[02:23] <Livingstone> xwnc - Mix of Xvnc and XDarwin with improved protocol
[02:23] <makkia> Burgundavia: yes
[02:23] <Burgundavia> makkia, so you have a repo that is from warty?
[02:24] <makkia> Burgundavia: yes yes i have oblied
[02:24] <queuetue> Is it easy (and safe) to get my very new ubuntu system to go sleep (hibernate/suspend) and resume?
[02:24] <Burgundavia> makkia, you might have better luck at #ubuntu-it
[02:27] <sparkling> Elen, i've tried but it told me VBE call error
[02:27] <sparkling> i've seen the man
[02:27] <graabein> good morning!
[02:27] <sparkling> and ive make atitvout auto
[02:28] <niskin> is there a Firstclass client for Ubuntu
[02:28] <Echylo> was it possible to upgrade debian to ubuntu?
[02:28] <Burgundavia> niskin, firstclass?
[02:29] <Burgundavia> Echylo, depends on the version.
[02:29] <Burgundavia> Echylo, sarge--> hoary is not bad
[02:29] <Burgundavia> Echylo, woody-> warty
[02:29] <Echylo> woody->warty->hoary ?
[02:29] <Burgundavia> Echylo, sid->hoary won't work, as hoary has newer packages.
[02:30] <Burgundavia> Echylo, you might do woody->hoary, but it is not recommended. I would try warty first
[02:30] <Echylo> I have a stable woody network install
[02:30] <Echylo> so very base
[02:30] <niskin> FirstClass from http://www.softarc.com/ - but for Linux - Ubuntu ?
[02:30] <Burgundavia> Echylo, just change your repos. There is a page in wiki about it. Just a sec
[02:31] <Burgundavia> niskin, is it FLOSS?
[02:31] <decon_> how do I get stuff starting when I log on :)?
[02:31] <MrNonchalant> does anyone know if gedit can handle 34 megabytes?
[02:31] <decon_> like gdesklets
[02:31] <Burgundavia> Echylo, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WartyUpgradeNotes
[02:31] <Elen> decon_, well... which stuff ?
[02:31] <Burgundavia> decon_, add it gdesklets to your default session
[02:31] <decon_> Elen, Gaim, Gdeslets
[02:32] <Echylo> thanks Burgundavia
[02:32] <Elen> decon_, ah ok, look for "Sessions" in your desktop preferences
[02:32] <Burgundavia> Echylo, np
[02:33] <visor> is dma enabled by default in hoary?
[02:33] <decon_> Thanks got it guys :)
[02:33] <niskin> FLOSS   ??
[02:34] <tga> heh.. rubygems just won't work on ubuntu
[02:34] <decon_> btw anyone uysing mercury ?
[02:34] <Burgundavia> niskin, Free/Open Source software
[02:34] <tga> anyone playing with rails?
[02:34] <Rocco_Vargas> Hello. Someone can help me to configure a Voodoo 3 3000 in Ubuntu?. I use the tdfxfb moduel but i am unable to get acceleration in games
[02:35] <niskin> no but it is free for private use
[02:35] <Burgundavia> niskin, that would be non-free, so no they can't distribute it
[02:35] <Burgundavia> niskin, what does it do?
[02:35] <claint> well, my remote ati driver installation failed. the guy is getting a complete blackout, not even virtual terminals weork
[02:35] <niskin> see http://www.softarc.com/
[02:36] <Burgundavia> niskin, am looking
[02:36] <Burgundavia> niskin, can't think of the free alternative
[02:36] <ablyss> i notice unbuntu doesn't have /etc/rc.local how to add scripts to startup at boot
[02:36] <claint> i guess i should use dpkg-reconfigure or something.
[02:36] <tga> what's a nice small 3d toy to test 3d with?
[02:36] <tga> ablyss: man update-rc.d
[02:36] <niskin> ok Thanks Burgundavia
[02:36] <Rocco_Vargas> i use tuxracer to test it
[02:37] <Burgundavia> tga, glxgears
[02:40] <deFrysk> hm nieuwe firefox en mozilla zijn uit
[02:40] <michealm> hello
[02:41] <ablyss> this is silly.. all i want to do is run xbindkeys, not start and stop it with rc.d
[02:41] <deFrysk> sorry wrong box
[02:41] <ablyss> anyone use $HOME/Desktop/Autostart ?
[02:43] <deFrysk> ablyss, I use gnome-sessions
[02:43] <Burgundavia> niskin, http://www.tes.mi.it/forum/0000EE1B-80000002/0000EE1D-80000002/
[02:43] <ablyss> i know xfce can start gnome services too.. but what a hassle to just get a simple app to run
[02:44] <ablyss> i might try dropping xbindkeys binary into the Autostart
[02:44] <ablyss> instead of a symlink
[02:44] <michealm> anyone know why even after installing windows installer and DCOM98 in cedega i still cant run any installer to install my games that are supported by cedega, its the full version DEB install, and no i dont use point2play my subscription is expired
[02:44] <xiaogil> How to say: look for everything begining with abc until this end of the line usung regexp ?
[02:50] <topyli> fat32 doesn't know about permissions. /home should be on a "real" partition. you can have data on fat32 though
[02:51] <topyli> bluefoxicy: elf is the linux binary format.
[02:51] <bluefoxicy> heh
[02:51] <bluefoxicy> ELF is executable and linkable format
[02:51] <topyli> right
[02:51] <bluefoxicy> ET_EXEC should be depricated
[02:52] <tga> how come there are no php5 packages?
[02:52] <stazz> Why isn't there gvim in ubuntus repositorys?
[02:52] <ablyss> kewl.. worked like a charm
[02:52] <bluefoxicy> everything should be ET_DYN, like with elflibraries
[02:52] <tga> stazz: there is no 'gvim'.. try vim-gtk or vim-gnome instead
[02:52] <stazz> tga: ok.
[02:53] <Aladdin> hi folks
[02:53] <stazz> tga: well, those worked. thanks
[02:53] <tga> stazz: np
[02:53] <zenwhen> a virus, which is by definition a self propagating program, would be rather hard to write for a linux platform. To do any real damage it would have to run with root privs. To be run at boot, to do any damage to core system files, or to effect your useage of network resources, a virus would have to run as root.  While there are rootkits for Linux, they also require root access and you would have to be completely compromised to wind up with one.
[02:54] <tga> I understand that the Debian guys can't get their act together and provide some php5 packages, but how come Ubuntu doesn't have any either?
[02:54] <stazz> tga: the debian guys are trying to get sarge released. one can expect active development after that :)
[02:54] <tga> zenwhen: iirc there's a distro out there that runs as root
[02:54] <tga> stazz: yeah, not mentioning when "that" might be
[02:54] <stazz> and the distro is called "Linspire" :)
[02:54] <zenwhen> tga: thos people deserve what they get and their users should migrate to a real distro
[02:54] <Burgundavia> tga, because most of ubuntus packages are debian
[02:55] <stazz> tga: n+30 ;)
[02:55] <tga> ok, let me rephrase, there are php5 packages out there, made by a debian guy
[02:55] <tga> imho ubuntu should just put them into the official sources
[02:56] <stazz> <IP_ADDRESS> seems the newest available to me
[02:56] <Aladdin> anobody got aminute, I have a question about HAL?
[02:56] <tga> deb http://people.debian.org/~dexter php5 sid
[02:56] <tga> HAL 9000?
[02:56] <Aladdin> hehe
[02:56] <Burgundavia> Aladdin, what is the issue?
[02:56] <Aladdin> nop the hardware... or headeache...
[02:56] <Aladdin> thing
[02:57] <Aladdin> Burgundavia, ok I get an error message: HAL couldn't initialize in Hoary.
[02:58] <Burgundavia> Aladdin, an updated warty-->hoary machine?
[02:58] <Aladdin> Burgundavia, it's on a system with 2 harddisk, 2 dvd (1 external writer) un cd-rw drive and 256 megs o'ram
[02:58] <Aladdin> Burgundavia, , nop a brand new install. My upgraded system doesn't have that problem.
[02:59] <capi> hey
[03:00] <gds> Aladdin, what do you mean with "nop"?
[03:00] <Aladdin> gds, no :o)
[03:00] <tga> no operation
[03:00] <khj> Hi! Has anybody any idea why I can't hear any sound when using music player. It worked earlier today (and I have checked that the system is not muted).
[03:00] <gds> ah, right Aladdin
[03:01] <Aladdin> gds, sorry got my english in american chats :o)
[03:01] <gds> How can I listen m4a in rythmybox?
[03:02] <desrt> is that like aac?
[03:02] <klein> need help for installing gnome theme plz
[03:02] <gds> don't worry Aladdin...
[03:03] <gds> I'm using amarok at the moment in gnome
[03:03] <desrt> gds; ah.  here's your solution
[03:03] <desrt> dir2ogg - converts mp3, m4a, and wav files into ogg-vorbis format
[03:03] <Aladdin> gds, hey I'm more worried about the HAL thing. I't's an install for a paying client. :o( And the machine is not working right :o(
[03:03] <klein> need help for installing gnome theme plz
[03:03] <desrt> klein; sup?
[03:03] <desrt> klein; just ask your question
[03:04] <gds> desrt, I don't want to convert my m4a files
[03:04] <gds> I'm sorry Aladdin, what's the matter?
[03:04] <Burgundavia> klein, download the theme
[03:04] <desrt> gds; is m4a like 'mpeg4' aka aac?
[03:04] <Raskall> sadneophite: Strangest thing. vmware set up some kind of a firewall on a interface that had ip-bridging enabled. Well.. I'll use nat internally in vmware instad. That works.
[03:04] <gds> yes, desrt
[03:04] <klein> but when i configure it
[03:04] <Burgundavia> klein, then open system-->prefs-->them
[03:04] <Burgundavia> klein, and choose it
[03:04] <desrt> gds; install the package gstreamer0.8-faad
[03:04] <Raskall> ah.. sadneo left.
[03:04] <klein> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[03:04] <desrt> gds; should do the trick
[03:04] <gds> desrt, I've got 20Gb of m4a files...
[03:05] <Burgundavia> gds, might as well get gstreamer-plugins, which gets everything
[03:05] <Burgundavia> klein, you don't need to compile a theme
[03:05] <desrt> gds; i'm sorry to hear that.  i hope they're not from the ITMS
[03:05] <desrt> klein; is this a theme engine?
[03:05] <klein> yes
[03:05] <desrt> what engine is it?
[03:06] <claint> hmmm.
[03:06] <eliama> hi all
[03:06] <xukun> I fixed my wierd screen problem
[03:06] <gds> desrt, do you mean gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg?
[03:06] <klein> i don't know
[03:06] <desrt> gds; no.  i mean gstremer0.8-faad
[03:06] <Aladdin> gds, HAL gives me an error on boot, well entering gnome: HAL couldn't initialize.  And the sys tem is extremely slow to launch Gnome, when it does, in fact most of the gnoe apps (aplets) give me an error. It's like everything crashes on me and I have a hintch that HAL starts it.
[03:06] <klein> how do i know that ?
[03:06] <desrt> ffmpeg is nice to have too, but i don't think it plays aac
[03:06] <desrt> klein; what is it called?
[03:06] <klein> hum
[03:06] <desrt> like, the name of the file you downloaded
[03:06] <Burgundavia> gds, see my earlier comment about plugins
[03:07] <klein> gtk-engines-dwerg
[03:07] <visor> guys, mplayer doesnt come with dvd-menus support does it?
[03:07] <desrt> ya.  that's not in apt
[03:07] <desrt> klein; if you really want, apt-get install build-essential
[03:07] <desrt> klein; that will get you a C compiler
[03:07] <klein> ok thx
[03:07] <klein> i'll try
[03:08] <desrt> you might also need libgtk2.0-dev if you're building a theme engine.  dunno.
[03:08] <desrt> see how far build-essential gets you :P
[03:08] <gds> desrt, your package doesn't exist
[03:08] <desrt> gds; do you have universe and multiverse setup?
[03:09] <Bloody|RLC> http://forum.ubuntu-ru.org/index.php?topic=106.msg691#msg691
[03:09] <Bloody|RLC> new freetype
[03:09] <gds> desrt, I don't have multiverse :-)
[03:09] <Bloody|RLC> 99% config by Ubuntu-build
[03:09] <ablyss> crikey.... things are working great... i am flabbergasted
[03:10] <winding> How to mount the gmailfs ?
[03:10] <ablyss> even xitami started up perfectly w/out any hitch.. that's a first
[03:10] <desrt> gds; ah.  add it :)
[03:10] <gds> Aladdin, why don't you see hal's log files?
[03:10] <desrt> Description: GStreamer faad plugins
[03:10] <desrt>  FAAD2 is the fastest ISO AAC audio decoder available. FAAD2 correctly
[03:10] <desrt>  decodes all MPEG-4 and MPEG-2 MAIN, LOW, LTP, LD and ER object type AAC
[03:10] <desrt>  files.
[03:11] <Aladdin> gds I'll do that. were is it? (am new to Ubuntu).
[03:12] <Aladdin> gds, thx I'll look if I can find anything to read that might help. Good day all.
[03:13] <gds> Sorry Aladdin, I don't know... try to read syslog... bye
[03:14] <gds> What's in the multiverse?
[03:15] <desrt> gds; non-free stuff
[03:15] <gds> Does  rythmybox use  only gstreamer?
[03:16] <desrt> as far as you're concerned, yes :)
[03:16] <chtilinux> hello, i've got a problem with k3b: k3b needs cdrdao but i don't find the package
[03:16] <m0rphx> hi
[03:16] <desrt> chtilinux; install it
[03:17] <desrt> apt-get install k3b
[03:17] <desrt> it will pull in all of the dependancies you need
[03:17] <m0rphx> chtilinux: it is in universe
[03:17] <chtilinux> i've made it but when i open k3b, i read "k3b needs cdrdao"
[03:18] <gds> chtilinux,  sudo apt-get install cdrdao
[03:18] <chtilinux> ok,i'll try it
[03:18] <desrt> chtilinux; in general,  it's better to install things with apt than to make them yourself
[03:19] <m0rphx> can someone tell me what I need to do that udev creates /dev/pts/0 etc ?
[03:20] <kenphused> yo ho ubuntuologists
[03:20] <klein> desrt, i installed build-essential
[03:20] <desrt> m0rphx; udev doesn't create /dev/pts/*
[03:20] <desrt> m0rphx; you need to mount the devpts filesystem there
[03:20] <klein> it configure normally but
[03:21] <m0rphx> desrt: ah, which program does that?
[03:21] <desrt> m0rphx; uhm... mount
[03:21] <desrt> it should happen on startup, though
[03:21] <Raskall> vmware is actually cool. Too bad I cant afford to buy it when my eval has expired.
[03:21] <kenphused> has anyone successfully installed ubuntu on the ATI chipset with a SATA drive?
[03:21] <desrt> grep devpts /proc/mounts
[03:21] <m0rphx> desrt: yeah, I mean which init.d startup program does that?
[03:21] <m0rphx> k
[03:21] <Burgundavia> Raskall, try qemu
[03:22] <desrt> m0rphx; mountvirtfs, it would seem
[03:22] <Raskall> Burgundavia: have tried it. Never successfully installed anything it.  I have tried to install both suse and winxp. killed both after more than 24 hours install time.
[03:23] <Raskall> Burgundavia: sure it would have been good if I ran the virtual computer on a separate disk, but either way (vmware or separate disk) I will have to give money I currently dont have to spare.
[03:24] <gds> Does anyone know anything about programming in pvm?
[03:24] <Burgundavia> Raskall, xen looks very cool
[03:24] <Raskall> Burgundavia: xen?
[03:24] <Burgundavia> Raskall, OSS virtualization. run 2 oses at once on the same server
[03:25] <Raskall> Burgundavia: ok.. gpl?
[03:25] <Burgundavia> Raskall, OSS, but I don't know which license
[03:25] <dizzy> Burgundavia: have you tried xen?
[03:25] <Raskall> Burgundavia: do you have any references?
[03:25] <elcu> hello, what package has the man pages for C functions (e.g. scanf etc.)?
[03:26] <Raskall> as in uris
[03:26] <chtilinux> sudo apt-get install cdrdao: "no package found" : i don't understand
[03:27] <gds> I have to say: "Does anyone know anything about programming in pvm?" or " Does anyone know something about programming in pvm?"
[03:27] <_membreya> chtilinux: do you have universe enabled?
[03:27] <gds> :-))
[03:27] <chtilinux> wait...i'll see
[03:28] <Burgundavia> dizzy, Raskall, it is something that novell is working on, but it is not a novell project
[03:28] <dizzy> elcu: manpages-dev
[03:28] <Burgundavia> http://www.xensource.com/
[03:28] <gds> Burgundavia, help me :-)
[03:28] <Raskall> Burgundavia: thanx. :)
[03:28] <dizzy> Burgundavia: the problem with xen is that it defines a new cpu arch
[03:28] <klein> desrt, what do i should install after build-essential
[03:29] <elcu> dizzy: thanks.
[03:29] <Burgundavia> gds, what is wrong?
[03:29] <Burgundavia> klein, with build-essential, you can now compile stuff
[03:29] <chtilinux> sorry but how can i enable universe?
[03:30] <_membreya> chtilinux: from a terminal, do a sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:30] <elcu> also, i require a program called "xv".  i can't find the package for that one either.
[03:30] <_membreya> uncomment the fields for universe
[03:30] <_membreya> then do a sudo apt-get update
[03:30] <beggar> how can i enable udma2 for my dvd drive?
[03:30] <chtilinux> ok
[03:30] <m0rphx> desrt: can you tell me at which runlevel udev and mountvirtfs get started?
[03:30] <_membreya> beggar: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdx
[03:30] <ouchiko> Hi
[03:30] <gds> Burgundavia, Must I use something or anything in that question? :-) I'm learned english
[03:30] <mishof> Q about samba: when i try to access my computer from windows i get password / username prompt - how can i prevent it ?
[03:30] <m0rphx> or how I can reset the defaults
[03:30] <klein> but it told me : Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gtk+-2.0.pc'
[03:30] <klein> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
[03:30] <klein> No package 'gtk+-2.0' found
[03:30] <klein> configure: error: GTK+-2.0 is required
[03:31] <_membreya> mishof: change your access to share level rather than user?
[03:31] <desrt> m0rphx; uh, all of them, i think?
[03:31] <dizzy> elcu: xv is an ancient nonfree package now unsupported
[03:31] <desrt> m0rphx; should be handled by :sysinit:
[03:31] <beggar> _membreya, and that's all?
[03:31] <mishof> _membreya, how
[03:31] <_membreya> beggar: yes
[03:31] <Raskall> Burgundavia: looks cool. :) Will read up on it in bed tonight. :)
[03:32] <_membreya> mishof: add security = share to the global section of your /etc/samba/smb.conf
[03:32] <beggar> ok tks _membreya
[03:32] <_membreya> and then do a sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[03:33] <elcu> dizzy: ah, ok.  i'm doing an image processing course and it makes use of it to view images by running it from the terminal.  i'm gonna tell my my lecture off. :)
[03:34] <mifune> hi. how do i set up my creative soundblaster 16 card? its a non pnp one.
[03:34] <ouchiko> Can I ask a simple question, what are the benefits of using unbuntu over something like Mandrake 10?  There are a lot of flavours and im looking for something to gently ease me into using linux as a desktp system.  Ive been using linux at work (web servers, mail servers and the like) but I want get something which will make the transition into desktop env easy
[03:34] <_membreya> you want a sales pitch ouchiko ? :|
[03:35] <dizzy> elcu: try this http://ftp.fifi.org/debian-local/woody/unofficial/xv/
[03:35] <ouchiko> No, I want to know why unbuntu is good?
[03:35] <chtilinux> it's ok now: i can use k3b.
[03:35] <membreya> all working now chtilinux ?
[03:35] <gds> ouchiko, It's debian based, easy to install and mantain... Suspend to disk also works
[03:35] <chtilinux> yes,thank you
[03:35] <ouchiko> includes aptget?
[03:36] <gds> ouchiko, yes
[03:36] <ouchiko> cool
[03:36] <Xenguy> ouchiko: because it is based on Debian, and upgrades to a new version does not require a re-install, plus it's non-commercial distribution
[03:36] <ouchiko> Excellent.
[03:36] <elcu> dizzy: thanks.
[03:37] <gds> ouchiko, www.ubuntulinux.org
[03:38] <elcu> ouchiko: i've found ubuntu's documentation (ubuntuguide.org) and support community (forums, #ubuntu) to be better than other distros i've used (including mandrake).
[03:39] <Meidos> I need help in setting up an ubuntu box as firewall, and I don't get masquerade to work (packets arrive at my ubuntu box, but don't get forwarded)
[03:40] <Xenguy> Meidos: I use 'shorewall' firewall for this (on debian tho)
[03:40] <chtilinux> another question: is there a package for flash-player? i don't find it for my computer (it is an amd64)
[03:40] <membreya> chtilinux: no flash for amd64
[03:40] <Burgundavia> chtilinux, not for amd64
[03:40] <membreya> unless you chroot it
[03:40] <Meidos> Xenguy: Shorewall exists for ubuntu as well, though I have never used it (I am used to iptables)
[03:40] <Burgundavia> chtilinux, email macromedia about it
[03:40] <gds> How can I use  plist xml file (ipod) with linux?
[03:41] <chtilinux> ok
[03:41] <Xenguy> Meidos: yes.  It is a good (non-GUI) firewall that can do NAT etc.
[03:41] <ogb> Hi, do I _have_ to use an initrd image to boot ubuntu?
[03:42] <Meidos> Xenguy: how can I just turn on masquerade? I have one local card, and one card connected to the internet
[03:42] <Xenguy> Meidos: I guess it is actually what's known as a 'firewall script'; shorewall bills itself as "IPtables Made Easy" :-)
[03:42] <membreya> Xenguy: is that like "pulling teeth for dummies" :P
[03:42] <Xenguy> Meidos: I suppose if you don't want to use shorewall, you read the 'IPMasquerade HOWTO' or something similar
[03:42] <dizzy> I would recommend shorewall
[03:43] <Xenguy> membreya: heh - it's a lot easier than futzing with iptables by hand is all I know ;-)
[03:43] <membreya> Xenguy: so glad I'm not the only person in the free world that says futzing :P
[03:43] <Xenguy> membreya: keep on rocking ;-)
[03:43] <membreya> I just cheat with ip routing/firewalling.. I use a hardware firewall ;)
[03:43] <Meidos> Xenguy:  thing is, I used to have debian here and just reinstalled. I think I have done masquerading setup several times allready, and this is the first time it's not working. So I am just looking for someone to try and help and highlight the obvious thing I did wrong this time.
[03:44] <smouche> hello.  Are there any rss feeds for http://ubuntuforums.org -- I don't see any links for them...
[03:44] <Kouros> Hello!
[03:44] <Xenguy> Meidos: I'm sure someone knows, but I am lazy and use shorewall - that's about all the suggestions I have ATM
[03:44] <smouche> don't know if plone supports them; syndication ignoramus here ...;
[03:45] <Kouros> I'm using the Live CD at the moment, but no sound support - is that normal?
[03:46] <queuetue> Kouros, unfortunately, in my experience, yes. :(
[03:47] <xukun> how can I see or change the fonts size or dpi I,m using?
[03:47] <Kouros> That's fine then - I didn't want to go the full hog (Hoary, natch) and find no sound. If it's just a LIve CD issue, I'm OK with it
[03:47] <mjr> xukun, the font preferences
[03:48] <queuetue> Sound and printing are both still trainwrecks in what is the first truly useful and solid linux desktop distro.
[03:48] <elcu> Kouros: how are you finding ubuntu?
[03:48] <membreya> crappy nforce3 soundcard here (ac97) works fine for me
[03:48] <Kouros> Queuetue, I'm having a few issues trying to get it to run on a Thinkpad, with no built-in Floppy or CD (both USB). I can get smartbootmanager to load fine, but not the LIve CD
[03:48] <queuetue> Kouros, I mean it is normal to not have sound in Linux - keeping it up and going willl be a lifelong battle.
[03:48] <Kouros> I actually really like it, and am considering moving my laptop over permanently, then the desktop, except for the above problems
[03:49] <xukun> mjr, that is not what I mean, I want to set dpi to 100
[03:49] <queuetue> Kouros, Other than that (and printers and printer sharing), ubuntu can stand fairly against any other OS I know of.
[03:49] <mjr> xukun, yes, and there's a setting there, in the advanced window
[03:49] <Kouros> Queuetue - That's what I feared. I spend a lot of time listening to music on my desktop, and so would hate to lose that.
[03:49] <smouche> membreya, my nforce sound card works great too, out of the box
[03:50] <Kouros> I don't think that reason alone swings it to the negative, though
[03:50] <dags> queuetue, naah.. once you get to know alsa and its config-file, it works fine in my experience
[03:50] <membreya> only problem I have with sound was multiple programs accessing /dev/dsp ..but that's easily fixed with DMIX and setting a software MIDI synth :)
[03:50] <smouche> Kouros, what card do you have?
[03:51] <membreya> hmm konversation doesnt have alpha blending :(
[03:51] <Kouros> Just a soundblaster- I'm no audiophile, but it's just nice to have my collection on in the background
[03:52] <smouche> I'm sure it can be gotten to work, Kouros -- I don't know how, since fortunately for me, I needed no tweaking...
[03:52] <triandafilos> Is there a add on for gaim internet messanger to kick or ban user?
[03:53] <Meidos> Xenguy:  how do you use shorewall? I just want to set up nat initially
[03:53] <SiRrUs> membreya hello
[03:53] <membreya> helloooooo SiRrUs :)
[03:53] <smouche> before, when I tried an external usb2 audigy, I had horrible results, but internal sb live and the nvidia on my laptop are fine
[03:53] <SiRrUs> have you took the breezy plunge yet
[03:53] <membreya> noooooooooo :P
[03:53] <topyli> triandafilos: you just use irc commands
[03:53] <membreya> not yet....going to give it a few months
[03:54] <membreya> but damnit, I'm so happy with kubuntu right now :P
[03:54] <SiRrUs> i took it ;)
[03:54] <membreya> I think the next major step I'll take is KDE4 :P
[03:54] <membreya> how's it looking thus far SiRrUs ? constantly updating? :P
[03:54] <smouche> good plan, membreya!
[03:54] <jaco^> i've fount kubuntu not so solid as ubuntu
[03:54] <jaco^> i've found
 do you know of any webpages which list the commands?
[03:54] <SiRrUs> working good so far
[03:55] <SiRrUs> ( Operating System ) Linux Ubuntu 5.10 - breezy Kernel: 2.6.10-5-386, GNU/Linux | Xorg: 6.8.2 | IRC CLient: X-Chat v.2.4.1
[03:55] <topyli> triandafilos: http://irchelp.org/irchelp/new2irc.html#talking
[03:55] <membreya> jaco^: that's because it's KDE ..kde = pretty & tweakable to hell ...but not as stable as gnome :)
[03:55] <triandafilos> thx
[03:55] <jaco^> yes membreya , i agree
[03:55] <membreya> gnome is like a volvo...plain and somewhat ugly..but safe and steady :P
[03:56] <topyli> triandafilos: oh, that's not a very comprehensive list :)
[03:56] <SpookyET> hi
[03:56] <ubuntu> aie
[03:56] <triandafilos> do you have anything else?
[03:56] <ubuntu> si
[03:56] <ubuntu> pourquoi?
[03:56] <dizzy> membreya: I like gnome but I had a lot of problem with it
[03:56] <ubuntu> du genre?
[03:57] <SpookyET> I need some help.  I'm trying to make x run on 1600x1200 75.
[03:57] <smouche> membreya, kubuntu has been more stable than gnome for me, but only after working around konqueror crashes
[03:57] <Xenguy> Meidos: back
[03:57] <topyli> triandafilos: this is bound to have everything: http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/misc/ccosmos.html
[03:57] <Xenguy> Meidos: sec...
[03:57] <membreya> main probs I had with gnome were things not updating :|
[03:57] <smouche> gnome panels crashed on me constantly; I couldn't abide that.
[03:57] <triandafilos> cheers
[03:57] <SpookyET> I added the resolution to xorg.conf, but it is not displayed in the resolution changer.
[03:57] <smouche> maybe that's been fixed with stable hoary, I don't know
[03:57] <membreya> smouche: how do you stop your konqueror crashing? :P
[03:58] <smouche> I turned off the left navigation panel
[03:58] <membreya> and do you have the same kaffeine constantly crashing problem? I got around that one by switching to VLC :P
[03:58] <membreya> oh :P
[03:58] <smouche> there's a thread in the bug reports on that somewhere
[03:58] <Xenguy> Meidos: http://shorewall.net/shorewall_quickstart_guide.htm
[03:58] <membreya> i just wish they would fix the friggin nvidia-glx and renderaccel problems
[03:58] <smouche> and , membreya, frankly I avoid using konqueror as much as I can- prefer rox-filer or krusader
[03:59] <Xenguy> Meidos: the documentation is very good
[03:59] <ubuntu> linux from scratch est il en francais?
[03:59] <liable> SpookyET: and you restarted x
[03:59] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[03:59] <da_bon_bon> wazup ?
[03:59] <smouche> membreya, opening konq in "simple browser mode" or "midnight commander" style helps too.
[04:00] <membreya> smouche: aaah but krusader isn't a webbrowser :P
[04:00] <SpookyET> liable, i restarted the comp.  don't know hot to restart x
[04:00] <da_bon_bon> hey, if i am using hoary, how do i still stay to unstable branch ? kinda like shifting from stable to unstable ?
[04:00] <membreya> da_bon_bon: change your sources to breezy?
[04:00] <Xenguy> smouche: yeah, krusader is nice (as a file manager)
[04:00] <dags> yea, i like to that too... i like daily updates :=)
[04:00] <da_bon_bon> membreya: really ? whats breezy ?
[04:00] <smouche> membreya, for web browser I'm ok with firefox. (or konq - my crashes are only with file browsing) though it's annoying.
[04:00] <queuetue> da_bon_bon, Use breezy instead?
[04:01] <membreya> smouche: I can't stand FF
[04:01] <queuetue> da_bon_bon, breezy badger - next release.
[04:01] <liable> SpookyET: well if you rebooted, that should have done it
[04:01] <Meidos> Xenguy:  I forgot to do echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward - works now
[04:01] <smouche> krusader even browses network shares, (I think...)
[04:01] <Xenguy> Meidos: :-)
[04:01] <da_bon_bon> queuetue, membreya: sorry i shudve searched. ok, i will try breezy :)
[04:01] <dags> queuetue, and then just do a apt-get update/dist-upgrade?
[04:01] <da_bon_bon> anyone here whose ubuntu is synced to breezy ?
[04:01] <membreya> da_bon_bon: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/releases
[04:01] <queuetue> da_bon_bon, I was NOT suggesting you use it, only answering your questin... :)
[04:01] <membreya> da_bon_bon: SiRrUs is
[04:02] <smouche> Xenguy, it sure is -- very convenient layout in krusader.  For some reason though
[04:02] <SiRrUs> yep sorry
[04:02] <da_bon_bon> queuetue: ya sure.. i wont use it. i just wanted to know whats the name of "SnapShot" on distrowatch.. :D
[04:02] <smouche> I can't get kde to accept krusader as default for opening folders
[04:02] <SpookyET> it didn't
[04:02] <Kouros> Sorry Queuetue - Didn't mean to run away. Keyboard died.
[04:02] <membreya> i just wish that they would hurry up and release KDE4 ...even a snapshot :P
[04:02] <SpookyET> how do you restart x?
[04:03] <membreya> Kouros: do you have an onboard soundcard as well as your SB?
[04:03] <desrt> SpookyET; how do you mean?
[04:03] <desrt> SpookyET; restart the server, restart gdm, ?
[04:03] <membreya> SpookyET: sudo  /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[04:03] <queuetue> SpookyET, log out nad hit control-alt-backspace.  (or sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart)
[04:03] <Riddell> membreya: quite tricky to do since it's not started devlopment yet
[04:03] <membreya> Riddell: I know that ;)
[04:03] <membreya> I'm just excited about it :P
[04:03] <Xenguy> smouche: hrm, not sure about that; you would think there would be a way
[04:04] <Kouros> membreya, please bear in mind that I am spectacularly stupid, and when I say Wha? I am not being rude. With that in mind... wha?
[04:04] <membreya> scary thing is ..apart from speed improvements ...the main thing that excites me is konsole supporting true alpha blending :P
[04:04] <SpookyET> ctr+alt+backspace and f1, f2, f3 don't work
[04:04] <da_bon_bon> great, now i cant wait for breezy to be released :(
[04:04] <membreya> Kouros: in your BIOS ..do you have an onboard soundcard..as well as your soundblaster
[04:04] <membreya> a lot of people have had problems with their SB cards if they also have onboard sound enabled in their BIOS
[04:04] <Kouros> As in, does the thing beep? Yes.
[04:04] <tbird> da_bon_bon, i use breezy
[04:05] <membreya> Kouros: *slap* that's your PC speaker
[04:05] <membreya> sheesh
[04:05] <membreya> what type of motherboard do you have Kouros ?
[04:05] <Kouros> I did say that I was stupid
[04:05] <nsillik> i haven't gotten any updates for hoary for the past six days or so.... is that normal? is my apt.sources messed up?
[04:05] <paulproteus> nsillik: It released.
[04:05] <membreya> nsillik: it's frozen..only security updates go through now AFAIK
[04:05] <paulproteus> nsillik: So it shouldn't change. :)
[04:05] <nsillik> that's what i was thinking
[04:05] <da_bon_bon> damn! wish i got my 128kbps net back! stuck with 2kbps. how is breezy btw, tbird?
[04:05] <denis_> hello
[04:05] <Kouros> Please don't ask me questions like that!   (This was an MSI K8n Neo4 Platinum/SLI  with the nvidia nforce4 chipset)  ... can anyone lend a hand in helping me understand this?
[04:09] <pvanhoof>  /var/cache/apt/archives/mono-assemblies-base_1.0.5-3_all.deb this one had a conflict with a dbus package
[04:09] <pvanhoof> and the hdparam script isn't finding /dev/hdc (my dvd drive), yet it's there after fully booted
[04:10] <smouche> why does firefox require java just to install a theme?
[04:10] <queuetue> If I use a DSL (32 bit) livecd, everything is fine, disks are fine, mmountable, etc.  If I try to boot 32-bit (or now, 64-bit) hoary, I get this kernel panic.
[04:10] <membreya> pvanhoof: don't worry about if hdparm is giving a device not found error ..if you do a hdparm -d /dev/hdc it should be DMAon
[04:10] <membreya> smouche: cos FF is dodgy :P
[04:11] <pvanhoof> membreya, it's indeed on
[04:11] <FreezerX> ups, dma for my cdrom is off
[04:11] <membreya> pvanhoof: exactly..you just ignore the device not found error..it still works :)
[04:11] <pvanhoof> so I guess the script did work. However, it should omit the errormessage, no?
[04:11] <membreya> FreezerX: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdx
[04:11] <membreya> damnit I'm going to write an alias for that!
[04:12] <FreezerX> hehe
[04:12] <nsillik> wow, plenty of updates to breezy
[04:12] <nsillik> while it's installing, anyone want to tell me what i have to look forward to?
[04:12] <membreya> has anyone had their system killed by breezy yet? :P
[04:12] <pvanhoof> nsillik, you'll need to --force-overwrite install mono-assemblies-base_1.0.5-3_all.deb
[04:12] <queuetue> supposedly suse boots fine with this mobo...
[04:13] <membreya> queuetue: have you checked the forums (stupid question I know)
[04:13] <pvanhoof> membreya, mono-assemblies-base had problems here. It wanted to overwrite a directory of a dbus-package
[04:13] <cavediver> Hi all. How to I enable GLX? I have downloaded the nvidia-glx package but glxgears keep telling me glx is missing on diplay 0:0
[04:13] <nsillik> pvanhoof: should i have done that /before/ my dist-upgrade that is in progress right now?
[04:13] <queuetue> membreya, Yes, but I can never find anything there. :)
[04:14] <membreya> queuetue: what mobo again ?
[04:14] <pvanhoof> nsillik, no, the dist-upgrade failed here (cause of that package)
[04:14] <nsillik> oh, hm okay
[04:14] <pvanhoof> therefor I manually installed it from the apt-cache
[04:14] <pvanhoof> dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/mono-assemblies-base_1.0.5-3_all.deb
[04:14] <pvanhoof> and relaunched the apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:14] <membreya> cavediver: have you followed the instructions on www.ubuntuguide.org?
[04:14] <pvanhoof> then it succeeded
[04:14] <cavediver> Hmm, i don't think so.
[04:15] <pvanhoof> then I rebooted to have the newer kernel
[04:15] <queuetue> membreya, An K8n Neo4 Platinum SLI from MSI (also called the MS-7100)
[04:15] <membreya> queuetue: ok ..that's just RUDE!
[04:15] <queuetue> membreya, Excuse me?
[04:16] <membreya> queuetue: NF4 SLI *drools* ..lemme guess it's S939 too :P
[04:16] <queuetue> membreya, But of course. :)
[04:16] <membreya> >:(
[04:16] <cavediver> membreya: yes, the nvidia is there.
[04:16] <queuetue> membreya, But, keep in mind that your computer boots and mine does not. :)
[04:17] <membreya> queuetue: yes but mines only an amd64 3200
[04:17] <SpookyET> where do you put gdm themes?
[04:17] <membreya> first gen :|
[04:17] <membreya> nobody told me s939 is the roadmap for AMD
[04:18] <queuetue> How the heck do you do bios upgrades without windows?
[04:18] <hansel> it's a saturday night in NZ
[04:18] <hansel> and everything is jolly
[04:18] <membreya> queuetue: your BIOS should let you do it from a floppy
[04:18] <membreya> hansel: technically it's sunday morning
[04:19] <membreya> queuetue: your HDD is PATA?
[04:19] <cavediver> Hmm, this glx thing wont work. I've checked everything in the guide.
[04:19] <queuetue> membreya, I dont know what that means.  They are regular old IDE drives/
[04:19] <membreya> queuetue: PATA ;)
[04:20] <mrdaemon> Hi, is here anyone with a working soundcard on a Thinkpad 770?
[04:20] <dantheman> i'm going to be heading home from college in a few weeks, and i was wondering if there's anything i should do now to make it easier to plug in my wireless usb adapter when i get home
[04:20] <dantheman> i'm using the regular wired ethernet jack now
[04:20] <queuetue> membreya, Parallel ATA vs Serial ATA?
[04:20] <muzza> could someone tell me how to install the firefox themes I just downloaded?
[04:21] <membreya> queuetue: quick question ..unrelated but your grub menu ..does that have acpi=off?
[04:21] <membreya> queuetue: that's the one :)
[04:21] <schnee_> hello ~ everyone ~ who can tell me if want to install mysql , which package need i install ?
[04:21] <resmo_> hi
[04:21] <queuetue> membreya, Not currently, but I have tried that already.
[04:21] <outworld> hi guys, i've just installed hoary ... im trying to connect my ipod using firewire but its not being detected. any help guys? note: im a stupid lil no0b, be gentle
[04:22] <mifune> can anyone help me with making my soundblaster 16 card work? i couldnt find how with searching.
[04:23] <DocUb> hmm
[04:23] <resmo_> why is gpdf not installed by default, xpdf is not integrated in gnome and isn't possible to print pdfs over the network printer configured in gnome...that sucks
[04:23] <DocUb> anyone tried out the <IP_ADDRESS> kernel headers yet?
[04:23] <membreya> queuetue: want me to post your problem to the mailing list?
[04:23] <DocUb> looks like they just came in
[04:23] <dany_88> ciao
[04:24] <queuetue> membreya, if you think it would help ...
[04:24] <crschmidt> anyone know how I can fix or get around configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check ?
[04:24] <dany_88> UIASISIW
[04:24] <dany_88> CIAO
[04:24] <Jefis> can anyone help me?
[04:25] <Jefis> dns isn't working
[04:25] <Jefis> can anyone time in console
[04:25] <elcu> outworld: this might help: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-6678.html
[04:25] <Jefis> GET www.suncity2k.com
[04:25] <membreya> queuetue: definately, what's the I/O error you're getting ;)
[04:25] <Jefis> *type
[04:25] <elcu> outworld: i.e. have it on when you boot ubuntu.
[04:25] <muzza> I just downloaded some new 'themes' for firefox, and don't know what to do with them
[04:27] <dany_88> sft
[04:27] <cavediver> Anyone else having glx disabled even though using the nvidia-glx drivers
[04:27] <elcu> crschmidt: do you have build-essential installed?
[04:28] <nsillik> cavediver: do you have glx enabled in you xorg.conf?
[04:28] <cavediver> yes
[04:28] <membreya> Jefis: works for me ;)
[04:28] <crschmidt> elcu: nope, i'll start with that
[04:28] <cavediver> nsillik: the module is there.
[04:28] <Jefis> membreya, type me in private, what you got
[04:28] <nsillik> cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep GLX
[04:29] <queuetue> "Buffer I/O error on device hda, logical block 0" and a kernel panic on boot, right after "Starting Ubuntu"
[04:29] <Jefis> membreya, i don't know how it works for you, but it doesn't works for me!!!!!!!!1
[04:29] <queuetue> membreya, "Buffer I/O error on device hda, logical block 0" and a kernel panic on boot, right after "Starting Ubuntu"
[04:29] <nsillik> cavediver: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep GLX
[04:29] <hcgfhgfh> hi every body
[04:29] <cavediver> nsillik: (II) LoadModule: "glx"
[04:29] <cavediver> (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.so
[04:29] <cavediver> (II) Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"
[04:29] <Albacker> how do I install a newer version of a apackage and remove the old one, with apt-get ?
[04:30] <crschmidt> elcu: awesome, that fixed it
[04:30] <gratuit> Albacker: apt-get install <packagename>
[04:30] <elcu> crschmidt: goodo.
[04:30] <dany_88> italiani
[04:30] <Albacker> gratuit, i think it doesnt delete the older one :(
[04:30] <nsillik> cavediver: do you have the Load "dri" line commented out or removed in you xorg.conf?
[04:31] <cavediver> nsillik: yes, i commented that out.
[04:31] <muzza> could someone help me with firefox please?
[04:31] <nsillik> cavediver: xdpyinfo  |  grep GLX
[04:31] <queuetue> membreya, Where do I see the ml archives?
[04:32] <Bicchi> i have dual monitors and instead of seeing a big desktop where i can drag screens from one to the other, i get a cloned display?
[04:32] <dantheman> is GnomeBaker a good cd burner, or should i look for something better?
[04:32] <Xappe> dantheman: gnomebaker is good
[04:32] <dantheman> Bicchi: i just set that up a couple days ago
[04:32] <Xappe> dantheman: and it's getting better and beter
[04:32] <dantheman> Bicchi: do you want to see my xorg.conf?
[04:32] <Xappe> *better
[04:32] <gratuit> dantheman: I like k3b personally, but I also really like graveman for a gtk burner
[04:32] <Bicchi> dantheman: ok
[04:33] <cavediver> nsillik: no match there !
[04:33] <dantheman> i'll msg it to you
[04:33] <nsillik> cavediver: are there any errors in you Xorg.0.log?
[04:33] <membreya> queuetue: just posted for you now queuetue
[04:33] <slonocode> Can someone tell me how to set bttv options for boot time?
[04:33] <membreya> queuetue: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/ and click on archive
[04:33] <Albacker> dantheman, try k3b
[04:33] <Upayavira> I wish to upgrade my Debian system to Ubuntu. To do so, I wish to copy my filesystem onto a win2k system via a cross over cable (I'll boot a rescue CD to do it). What tools could I use to copy the entire FS across an SMB mount, so that when I've got Ubuntu installed, I can copy back just the bits I need?
[04:33] <Quest-Master> How do I install fonts in Hoary?
[04:33] <nsillik> cavediver: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE
[04:34] <cavediver> nsillik: ahh ! (EE) GLX is not supported with the Composite extension
[04:34] <nsillik> ah, i was just about to ask you
[04:34] <nsillik> you have two options
[04:34] <nsillik> yo ucan disable composite
[04:34] <Albacker> dantheman, or you can use cdrecord [if you like terminal !! ]
[04:34] <nsillik> or
[04:34] <nsillik> add this to your device section of your xorg.conf: Option          "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true"
[04:35] <nsillik> no promises that will work well though, it doesn't work on my machine
[04:35] <cavediver> nsillik: yes that last one i Tried, but my xserver didn't start after that.
[04:35] <elcu> muzza: isn't there a themes folder?
[04:36] <nsillik> cavediver: yeah, bad things happen here with that too, it's rather experimental, especially with nVidia
[04:36] <cavediver> ohh i see.
[04:36] <cavediver> damn.
[04:36] <dantheman> while the terminal is great, i can't imagine it not being a huge pain to make a list of files in the terminal to add to a cd
[04:36] <nsillik> cavediver: so, just disable composite, eventually it will work, but not now
[04:36] <dcraven> Upayavira, I upgraded my Debian sid system in place to Hoary. If you want to try that (it had a couple of wrinkles, but few) then you could just back up the important bits and keep the rest where it is.
[04:36] <nsillik> cavediver: maybe breezy.
[04:36] <cavediver> I want that composite but i want this tv-out issue solved also-
[04:36] <cavediver> nsillik: I'm on breezy
[04:37] <nsillik> cavediver: i meant the final version.... who knows, try loading composite whenever you see a change to your nvidia driver, or to libcomposite... they're bound to fix it eventually
[04:37] <Upayavira> dcraven - I want to reformat. Clean start. Larger swap, etc. (i've got 10Gb unaccounted for on my HDD, hence desire for clean start)
[04:37] <elcu> muzza: http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?showtopic=1786
[04:37] <elcu> muzza: you need to drag the .jar file to the themes dialog./
[04:37] <dcraven> Upayavira, I see.
[04:37] <Phr0stByte> Have there been no updates lately, or do I have something broken in apt?
[04:38] <muzza> elcu; OK I'll give it a go.  (thanx for replying)
[04:38] <finn> Phr0stByte, it's probably a well-deserved holiday
[04:38] <SeamusLT> Phr0sByte:  Ubuntu Hoary is stable now
[04:38] <Echylo> breezy up to now too
[04:38] <Echylo> :p
[04:38] <SeamusLT> Phr0sByte:  I think the last thing they're going to do is roll out some driver updates and from then on it's security
[04:39] <dcraven> I'm not sure it's wise to recommend breezy to folks just yet.
[04:39] <dantheman> i'm using the gstreamer mad plugin in rhythmbox, and it sounds a bit staticy when i play mp3s
[04:39] <dantheman> does anyone else have the same problem/know how to fix it?
[04:39] <membreya> tbird: just did a speed test on my cable and I got 3500kbps
[04:39] <tbird> nice
[04:39] <Phr0stByte> OK - I never noticed anything that was not stable anyway - just wondering why I dont ever see the update icon anymore...
[04:40] <SeamusLT> Phr0stByte:  There will be updates, just not very many...
[04:40] <Phr0stByte> cool
[04:40] <tbird> 2668.4 Kbps  here
[04:40] <muzza> elcu;  That worked for one of them, thanks.  Got a weird answer to one of them "Only works with firefox v0.1 - v1.0"  That's all of 'em!
[04:40] <SeamusLT> Phr0stByte:  There's been a feature freeze  in main/restricted.  I'm not sure how universe works though.
[04:41] <elcu> muzza: heh. that is weird.
[04:42] <membreya> tbird: speeds a great thing, I complain if my downloads are slower than 500Kb/s
[04:42] <cavediver> Phr0stByte: there will only be security updates.
[04:42] <tbird> membreya, yeah i used to have DSL got around 50Kb/s top
[04:42] <Xebitx> i am trying to install enemy territory but I keep getting permission denied on et-linux-2.56-2.x86.run
[04:43] <Xebitx> -rw-r--r--  1 martin martin 270687706 2005-04-16 16:34 et-linux-2.56-2.x86.run
[04:43] <tbird> membreya, so for me this 2Mbit connection is sweet
[04:43] <Xebitx> its the x right?
[04:44] <Xebitx> never mind
[04:44] <queuetue> membreya, How active is the list, usually?  (I've also posted here:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=135196#post135196 )
[04:45] <membreya> queuetue: on the mailing list, I generally receive 100 - 150 emails a day
[04:45] <orangehaw> any klibido users in here?
[04:48] <dantheman> does anyone else have a problem with white noise in the background of playing mp3's?
[04:48] <Xebitx> how can I check how much space I got left on the filesystem
[04:48] <Xebitx> ?
[04:48] <membreya> du -h
[04:48] <membreya> erm df
[04:48] <membreya> even
[04:48] <mike> anyone on ubuntu 5.04 here?
[04:48] <membreya> df -h
[04:48] <queuetue> The fact that the install and DSL boot and can use the drive fine is really the strange thing here...
[04:48] <engie> Hi. I've got a pcmcia flash card reader. When I put a card in syslog shows /dev/hde1 being created, but this doesn't get mounted on my desktop. Can I prod gnome into showing these automagically? I have everything relevant in gnome-volume-manager switched on
[04:49] <engie> (Running hoary)
[04:49] <membreya> engie: sudo /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart
[04:49] <membreya> mike: most people are ;)
[04:49] <mike> ah
[04:49] <mike> i just installed it
[04:49] <mike> its awesome
[04:50] <mike> however my screen resolution is terrible
[04:50] <engie> membreya: dbus restarted successfully, still no joy on the mounting front
[04:50] <membreya> hmmm
[04:51] <CarlK> what is the thing used to do translations?  rosetta stone or something like that?
[04:51] <mike> has that happened toanyone else?
[04:51] <tbird> mike edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf change the default resolution in there
[04:51] <joshua__> Hey.  I have a .deb file that I want to install.  I read the dpkg man page, but it didn't help me much.  Am I even supposed to be using dpkg for this?
[04:51] <dimatrod> hi, anybody here installed a 32 bit chroot over 64 bit ubuntu?
[04:51] <tbird> dpkg -i package.deb
[04:51] <joshua__> Thanks, tbird
[04:51] <tbird> np
[04:51] <dimatrod> cause i need the do_dchroot file
[04:52] <mike> how do you install kde also? it doesn't give you that option while your isntalling
[04:52] <dimatrod> mike, you do that by deselecting gnome stuff and then selecting kde stuff (the necesary to work on kde, not everything)
[04:52] <tbird> apt-get install kde
[04:53] <dimatrod> or that
[04:53] <astro76> mike: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingKDE
[04:53] <dimatrod> hey, but anybody please, PLEASE, can they tell me where to find a do_dhroot?
[04:53] <membreya> engie: try a reinstall of HAL
[04:53] <dimatrod> come on, this isn't that difficult since you guys probably had to do it
[04:53] <dimatrod> PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:54] <mike> thanks astro76 and dimatrod
[04:54] <mishof> Q: once i open a game (eternal lands) i cant hear sound on xmms. is there a way to prevent the game from taking over ? so that the game wont have sound and xmms will, or both will ?
[04:54] <SeamusLT> dimatrod:  Wish I could help you, there must be some guides somwhere though
[04:54] <membreya> dimatrod: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebootstrapChroot
[04:55] <SeamusLT> dimatrod:  see, what membreya said :)
[04:55] <dimatrod> seamuslt:  already googled and everything and didnt find anything
[04:55] <dimatrod> ...oh
[04:55] <Pluk> dimatrod, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
[04:55] <Pluk> i followed that one
[04:55] <SeamusLT> dimatrod:  Well google isn't always your friend.  The first place you should check is the wiki, then the forums for howto guides
[04:55] <Pluk> do_dchroot is in package dchroot
[04:55] <mishof> you guys ? :(
[04:56] <dimatrod> Pluk:  I was using that thread
[04:56] <dimatrod> but didnt quite find much about do_dchroot
[04:56] <dimatrod> I;m in the middle of chroot installation
[04:57] <Pluk> ah wait you need to create you own do_dchroot file
[04:57] <Pluk> i was mistaken
[04:57] <Pluk> its in step 4
[04:58] <dimatrod> ...so you create it and everything on it is just the lines you have to ad?
[04:58] <Pluk> indeed
[04:58] <Pluk> do_dchroot is just a small simple script
[04:58] <queuetue> Going AMD64 was proabably a gigantic waste of money, wasnt it?
[04:58] <dimatrod> wow, all this whining yesterday and today and it was just that simple....
[04:58] <Pluk> containing:     *  #!/bin/sh
[04:58] <Pluk>     * /usr/bin/dchroot -d "`echo $0 | sed 's|^.*/||'` $*"
[04:58] <dimatrod> thank you for enlightening me
[04:58] <Pluk> well without the *
[04:59] <Pluk> queuetue, why? it outperforms a athlon xp
[05:00] <SeamusLT> queuetue:  Don't see how AMD64 is a gigantic waste of money.  Do you not get better performace in a system compiled specifically for that architecture?
[05:00] <Pluk> even in 32bit
[05:00] <queuetue> Pluk, SeamusLP Well, if it won't boot... :)
[05:00] <Pluk> queuetue, i cant follow you
[05:01] <SeamusLT> queuetue:  Many have gotten it to boot.  Perhaps you should ask for help.
[05:01] <queuetue> SeamusLT, I've actually been asking for help for 2 days. ;)
[05:02] <SeamusLT> queuetue:  Isn't there an amd64 section of the forums?
[05:02] <queuetue> Asking again:  I've done a fresh install of hoary-AMD64 and I'm encountering the same kernel bug as last night:  "Buffer I/O error on device hda, logical block 0" and a kernel panic on boot...  (This was an MSI K8n Neo4 Platinum/SLI  with the nvidia nforce4 chipset)  ... can anyone lend a hand in helping me understand this?
[05:02] <Pluk> there is
[05:02] <Pluk> hardware failing is my first thought
[05:02] <queuetue> SeamusLT, there is, and I've just posted a question there, but I have no idea if anyone will be able to answer...
[05:02] <SeamusLT> queuetue:  First of all, does it work with an amd64 livecd?
[05:02] <SeamusLT> queuetue I would imagine so
[05:02] <queuetue> Pluk, DSL works fine, and this disk works fine an an AMD-32 machine.
[05:02] <jazon> Hi - I am installing Win4Lin, and I get the error  failed to get screen information: make sure $DISPLAY is set
[05:02] <jazon> Does anyone know how to fix this?
[05:02] <Pluk> does it work with windows if you use that?
[05:03] <queuetue> SeamusLT, It appears no, but I'm rebooting from a cold start now.
[05:03] <queuetue> Pluk, I haven't used windows in 4 years. :)
[05:03] <Pluk> :D
[05:03] <Pluk> good thumbs up :)
[05:04] <mike> i havent used it in almost 3
[05:04] <mike> go linux go
[05:04] <dcraven> jazon, does "echo $DISPLAY" give any output?
[05:04] <SeamusLT> queuetue: I'd try multiple kernels
[05:04] <jazon> dcraven, yes....this:  jazon@juggy:/$ echo $DISPLAY
[05:04] <jazon> jazon@juggy:/$
[05:05] <jazon> a blank line
[05:05] <membreya> queuetue: lucky bugger ;) I finally ditched my windows partition a week ago .. I feel so liberated..and spacious (windows had a 20gb partition)
[05:05] <dcraven> jazon, try this, "export DISPLAY=:0.0"
[05:05] <Pluk> i need windows for some school software :(
[05:06] <membreya> Pluk: run wine :)
[05:06] <dcraven> jazon, then run win4lin or whatever you do with it.
[05:06] <jazon> jazon@juggy:/$ echo $DISPLAY
[05:06] <jazon> :0.0
[05:06] <Pluk> dont curse membreya
[05:06] <Pluk> :P
[05:06] <membreya> :P
[05:06] <SeamusLT> membreya:  I'm a gamer, gotta have that windoze partition until vmware comes out with full direct3d support
[05:06] <queuetue> SeamusLT, How would you install another kernel on a box that will not boot?
[05:06] <Pluk> solidworks doesnt run with wine or cedega unfortunally
[05:06] <SeamusLT> queuetue:  LiveCD?
[05:06] <membreya> queuetue: you can't even boot to recovery mode?
[05:06] <mike> how can i change my resolution? besides going to system>preferences?
[05:07] <mike> cus i only have one option there
[05:07] <Pluk> it does run on vmware 5 though
[05:07] <dcraven> Shower time.
[05:07] <mike> is editing the x config file the only way?
[05:07] <h1dr0tr1p> xorgconfig
[05:07] <Pluk> but not really fast, it sa 3d modeller
[05:07] <devdude> where is the start button? and I cant find internet explorer
[05:07] <devdude> har har
[05:07] <membreya> lol devdude :P
[05:07] <h1dr0tr1p> ja ja
[05:07] <dantheman> mike: you should be able to add all of your monitor's valid resolutions and refresh rates in xorg.conf
[05:08] <devdude> whats up ubuntu fans :)
[05:08] <Pluk> :)
[05:08] <h1dr0tr1p> wassup
[05:08] <dantheman> then they should show up in system->preferences
[05:08] <h1dr0tr1p> kubuntu
[05:08] <jazon> dcraven_awy, you the man! thanks!
[05:09] <cavediver> Is there a way to have a default transset of 0.7 using composite ?
[05:09] <Pluk> xubuntu
[05:11] <queuetue> SeamusLT, trying to boot it now, but it has failed a fw times now - hardware not found, etc...
[05:12] <SeamusLT> queuetue: hummm.  Maybe an x86 livecd?
[05:12] <jazon> say, I have an HP m1080n with the ATI 300 PCI-E card - my TV out is totally scrambled - is there a way to fix this?
[05:13] <queuetue> SeamusLP, Well, DSL boots fine, but hoary x86 and hoary amd64 seem to be no-go (the install anyway.)  The AMD64 hoary livecd also seems to be a no-go...
[05:14] <SeamusLT> queuetue  something's not right about that, amd64 is fully backwards compatible, if it were an issue related to 64 bit computing I think you'd be fine with x86
[05:15] <queuetue> It gets to "Starting Enterprise Volume Management" and the it just spins the CD up and down , up and down, up and down, for at least 5 minutes...
[05:16] <Xebitx> is there shortcut keys to shutdown ubuntu?
[05:16] <Xebitx> instead of going to System -> Log out
[05:16] <SeamusLT> queuetue:  Maybe a bad cd?
[05:16] <queuetue> THis is why I said I should not have gone with the 64-bit machine....  if I had just gotten a big athlon, I'd probably be good to go now.
[05:16] <SeamusLT> Xebit:  You can modify those in system preferences quite easily
[05:16] <queuetue> SeamusLT, Nope, i just had to let it run for 10 minutes of up and down - now it is continuing.
[05:16] <rosco> conference about software patent on #ooonlc
[05:17] <kyncani> queuetue: me would think about a bad cd too
[05:18] <SeamusLT> queuetue:  Try burning new CDs.  Burn them slow.
[05:19] <SeamusLT> queuetue:  It seems to me that if all of them are failing there must be some type of failure somewhere
[05:19] <SeamusLT> queuetue: hardware failure, that is
[05:19] <queuetue> How would the speed the cd was burned at (or the queality of it) cause an I/O panic with hda1 on reboot?
[05:19] <queuetue> SeamusLT, DSL is *not* failing - it's fine...
[05:20] <shining> queuetue, dsl is nice
[05:20] <knucks> anyone here run an ipod on ubuntu?>
[05:20] <SeamusLT> queuetue:  I thought you said that it was hanging during install?
[05:20] <queuetue> shining, ubuntu is nicer/ :)
[05:21] <shining> queuetue, why?
[05:21] <queuetue> SeamusLT, No, hangs after iitial reboot, after install.
[05:21] <SeamusLT> queuetue:  And will not boot in recovery mode either, correct?
[05:21] <knucks> ipod anyeone?
[05:21] <shining> knucks, no
[05:22] <queuetue> shining, It's a "full" distro - dsl uses busybox to fake a lot of commands, and never quitre approaches a 'real distro' in quality.
[05:22] <jazon> say, I have an HP m1080n with the ATI 300 PCI-E card - my TV out is totally scrambled - is there a way to fix this?
[05:22] <queuetue> SeamusLT, To be very clear - what is "recovery mode"?
[05:22] <shining> queuetue, hmm maybe
[05:22] <shining> queuetue, try arch then :)
[05:23] <knucks> how do i load the iee1394 module?
[05:23] <holly> Anyone have experience using Ubuntu with the crappy Qwest with MSN DSL service?  Im able to browse the web, but dns lookups are slow, and I cant get on to AIM, Yahoo, etc.
[05:23] <queuetue> shining, ubuntu is actually a damned fine disto - why are you pimping others in here? :)
[05:23] <SeamusLT> queuetue:  When you're booting you should be able to choose between the recovery and normal
[05:24] <SeamusLT> queuetue:  in grub
[05:25] <SeamusLT> queuetue:  If you can get it to boot in that manner it should be trivial to try a different kernel
[05:25] <elektrolyytti> im installing Paragon NTFS driver and its asking me to install kernel sources first. What do i have to do?
[05:25] <shining> elektrolyytti, install kernel sources :p
[05:26] <elektrolyytti> shining: how?
[05:26] <iocaste> is there a utility that will tile or cascade window for Gnome?
[05:26] <shining> elektrolyytti, I don't know. ask synaptic
[05:27] <queuetue> SeamusLT, Same failure, but more verbose:  First I get a number of DriveReady SeekComplete Errors... and DireveStatusError BadCRC Errors, then the panic...
[05:28] <knucks> so no one here has an ipod?
[05:28] <liable> elektrolyytti: apt-get kernel-source blah?
[05:29] <SeamusLT> queuetue:  It strikes me that this happens only on bootup and not during install.  Gotta be a kernel problem.  There are options you can pass to the kernel to make it not use certain things, however I think recovery mode takes care of that
[05:30] <jazon> does anyone know why my tvout is scrambled under Hoary?  ATI 300 pci-e
[05:31] <SeamusLT> queuetue:  Maybe during install there's some way to grab another kernel somewhere?
[05:32] <gerardo> hola buenas tardes alguien me puede ayudar?
[05:32] <DocUb> ?
[05:33] <thenuke> gerardo: #ubuntu.es
[05:33] <gerardo> tengo una duda de linux
[05:33] <thenuke> gerardo: go to #ubuntu.es or speak english in here, thank you :)
[05:34] <Raskall> I am writing about my home network and the software I use on my home page. Is the following paragraph correct? The best thing with my home network is that I only use completely free software. And not only free as in not having to pay for it, but as in that you can do absolutely what you want with the software. Even sell it for millions and millions, but on the condition that you make the source and your changes available to the world.
[05:35] <sig> Raskall: go to #english101
[05:35] <Burgundavia> Raskall, basically, but you can word it in a more consise way
[05:36] <Burgundavia> Raskall, and different licenses have different restrictions
[05:36] <chaitatp> Raskall, i would recommend you to read some article from ''Free as in Freedom''. There's eBook from O'Reilly site
[05:36] <Raskall> Burgundavia: I know, but I just want a 3-4 line paragraph about it. Not a complete essay. :)
[05:37] <Raskall> Burgundavia: check my page on http://rolfas.net/?page_id=314
[05:37] <chaitatp> Raskall: you will find some sentences like ''Free as in speech not in  beer
[05:38] <Raskall> chaitatp: yes, but those require that you are familiar with the fsf and such.
[05:39] <chaitatp> Raskall: love your site
[05:40] <Raskall> chaitatp: thnx. :)
[05:40] <chaitatp> Raskall: why don't you just create a link to the gnu's web or something for readers to gain more knowledge about free s/w by themselves
[05:41] <Raskall> chaitatp: I guess. :) Didn't think about that.
[05:41] <chaitatp> Raskall: within that paragraph, i mean
[05:42] <Raskall> chaitatp: will link to fsf.org.
[05:43] <georges> hi
[05:43] <georges> is there anyone using ayttm ?
[05:44] <Raskall> this better? The best thing with my home network is that I only use completely free software. And not only free as in not having to pay for it, but as in that you can do absolutely what you want with the software. Read more about Free software on <a href="http://www.fsf.org/" target="_blank">www.fsf.org</a>.
[05:44] <nic__> anybody have any suggestions for a good groupware suite for a newbie?
[05:44] <blazaah> any tool for mounting bin files?
[05:44] <Burgundavia> nic__, what do you need from the groupware suite?
[05:45] <blazaah> like damon tools?
[05:45] <nic__> email forums im file managmt
[05:45] <nic__> thanx for responding burgundavia
[05:46] <Burgundavia> nic__, hmm
[05:46] <chaitatp> Raskall: better now :D
[05:46] <Raskall> chaitatp: thanks. :) less is more, I guess.
[05:46] <chaitatp> Raskall: and let the fsf speaks for you :D
[05:46] <membreya> blazaah: convert the file to an ISO with bchunk
[05:47] <membreya> then mount it
[05:47] <nic__> i was looking at phpgroupware
[05:47] <nic__> but i just wanted to check with some people before i dive into it
[05:47] <nic__> i'm a big linux fan but not that technical
[05:47] <Raskall> chaitatp: jup.
[05:48] <Burgundavia> nic__, php has some security issues
[05:48] <Burgundavia> nic__, why not seperate out the fuctions
[05:48] <nic__> good to know
[05:48] <Burgundavia> nic__, for mail, use postfix
[05:48] <Burgundavia> nic__, for im, use jabber
[05:48] <Raskall> nic__: I installed phpgroupware just for fun once. Was ok, not worse and not better than any of the others I tried.
[05:48] <nic__> making notes
[05:48] <membreya> blazaah: or else you can use cdemu
[05:48] <resmo_> why is gpdf not installed by default, xpdf is not integrated in gnome and isn't possible to print pdfs over the network printer configured in gnome...that sucks
[05:48] <Burgundavia> resmo_, xpdf can do things that gpdf cant
[05:49] <jinx``> is there a video editing tool for creating und cutting xvid?
[05:49] <Burgundavia> resmo_, evince is default for breezy
[05:49] <nic__> thanx burgundavia
[05:49] <membreya> blazaah: http://cdemu.sourceforge.net/
[05:49] <Raskall> resmo_: if you have cups correctly set up it shouldn't be a problem printing from xpdf. I've don it "thousands" of times.
[05:50] <blazaah> supposedly you can play bin files directly from mplayer $ mplayer cue://<cue file>[:track]  [options]
[05:50] <blazaah> k tnx membreya
[05:50] <nic__> I've never been able to setup a network printer in linux without smb4k
[05:50] <queuetue> Well, good news - the new livecd works fine ( membreya , thanks for the 'burn it slower' hint).  No network, but the rest is working...
[05:50] <membreya> np
[05:50] <membreya> google is your best friend
[05:50] <nic__> which sux cause i'm using gnome fulltime now
[05:51] <SeamusLT> queuetue:  Glad to see that works now
[05:51] <Burgundavia> nic__, you might also want to check out hula
[05:52] <nic__> cool
[05:52] <Raskall> nic__: earlier I just pointed my browser to http://localhost:631 to set up network printing, since none of the guis for setting up printers havent worked. But in Ubuntu it actually works. :)
[05:52] <nic__> thanx
[05:52] <georges> anyone here using ayttm?
[05:53] <kingsley> Epson said that my printer may not be printing cyan because I'm using a non-Epson cartridge for black ink.
[05:53] <chaitatp> which program is used to develop flash application in linux?
[05:53] <Burgundavia> chaitatp, wine+fireworks(I think)
[05:53] <nic__> hey raskall how do you setup a passwd for cups, which that is asking for,
[05:54] <chaitatp> Burgundavia: thanks i will try wine someday
[05:54] <Raskall> hmm.. I just realized. I haven't had the need to run windows applications in over a year.
[05:54] <Burgundavia> chaitatp, wine is a windows compatibility layer
[05:54] <Burgundavia> chaitatp, and then you buy the official macromedia program
[05:55] <membreya> buy...you're funny :P
[05:55] <chaitatp> Burgundavia: jup
[05:55] <Burgundavia> membreya, I don't condone piracy
[05:55] <rhow> is there a channel specific for ubuntu on PowerPC arch?
[05:55] <expose> hi guys
[05:55] <expose> "The Ubuntu team will send you Ubuntu CDs at no charge, for you to install and share. We will cover the cost of shipping the CDs to you as well." <-- who pays for all this?
[05:55] <Burgundavia> rhow, nope
[05:56] <membreya> nor I Burgundavia, hence why I moved to Linux.. I'll be stuffed if I'm paying hundreds of dollars for software
[05:56] <Burgundavia> expose, mark shuttleworth and canonical
[05:56] <Burgundavia> rhow, there is one for kde though
[05:56] <expose> i see.
[05:56] <nic__> piracy totally destorys open source
[05:56] <expose> looks like he really wants to change things.
[05:56] <Burgundavia> expose, he has money and vision
[05:57] <rhow> right, how to eject the CD from my powerbook? i "sudo umount"ed it. the button on the top right corner of keyboard won't work
[05:57] <expose> obvisously.
[05:57] <serfurj> nic__: what do you mean?
[05:57] <Raskall> Aghh.. installing service pack 2 in WinXP in vmware really slows down my ubuntu... I guess thats another advantage with ubuntu. You never need to install more than 6 months of updates when you install.
[05:57] <confrey> hi everybody
[05:57] <expose> obviously
[05:58] <serfurj> nic__: how can open source software be pirated?
[05:58] <expose> (sorry for my spelling;-)
[05:58] <Xappe> if you can afford space travelling, you can afford shipping some cd:s :)
[05:58] <nic__> that wasn't my point serf
[05:58] <nic__> lol
[05:58] <membreya> :| I thought that comment was odd
[05:58] <membreya> lol
[05:58] <nic__> i mean that piracy is a negative thing for open source
[05:58] <expose> Do the torrents have enough seeds for reasonable speeD?
[05:58] <membreya> how so nic__ ?
[05:59] <Arcane> How can I get Ubuntu to mount USB devices?
[05:59] <nic__> piracy contibutes to the closed source community by making people think that they have to pirate software
[05:59] <membreya> that makes no sense whatsoever
[05:59] <Arcane> lsusb SHOWS the devices, but I can't get, say, resolve.conf to find them.
[06:00] <Arcane> ...  Whee!" = "Good"
[06:00] <Arcane> Yes, I do. Do you realize I'm talking about a modem nobody's been able to help me with in like two weeks?
[06:01] <membreya> Arcane: have you gone beyond IRC?
[06:01] <rhow> anyone running ubuntu on a powerbook?
[06:01] <Arcane> ... Yes, I have. I've been searching online like mad.
[06:01] <membreya> Arcane: I'm referring to the forums/mailing lists
[06:02] <Arcane> Ubuntu Forums don't give me a reply, and mailing lists, if someone asks, everyone goes "MAYBE YOU SHOUDL BUY AN ETHERNET CARD IT"D BE LESS TROUBL:E" etc etc.
[06:02] <kurt> Uhm.
[06:02] <kurt> question.
[06:02] <Arcane> Answer.
[06:02] <kurt> I knew it.
[06:02] <kurt> Thanks for the help!
[06:02] <Arcane> Then why'd you ask?
[06:02] <expose> Burgundavia: Is there a "normal developer community", as with debian, gentoo and others as well?
[06:02] <kurt> How do I go about switching gdm to entrance.
[06:02] <expose> yes, right?
[06:03] <georges> kurt: what is "entrance" ?
[06:03] <kurt> georges: another display manager
[06:03] <Arcane> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 06a9:0005 Westell  <- There's the USB device, by the way. Nothing I've been able to do'll even get the modem's USB light flashing.
[06:03] <Arcane> Its dhclient gives me "sit0: unknown hardware address type 776"
[06:03] <georges> kurt: applications->system tools->new login
[06:03] <expose> and - is there some source where you can read about shuttleworth? i mean - i once before search but didnt find much, like - how he got all the money. this is unusual for millionaires...
[06:03] <kent> Arcane, I just got on irc so I have missed your problem. Is the problem that you have an adsl-modem that connects with usb rather than ethernet? If so, have you looked at eciadsl?
[06:03] <Burgundavia> expose, what do you mean by normal?
[06:03] <Arcane> No, but I will. One second.
[06:04] <Burgundavia> expose, are there any "normal developers"
[06:04] <astro76> expose: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Shuttleworth
[06:04] <Burgundavia> expose, I might pay money to go see one
[06:04] <Arcane> Great, French.
[06:04] <will> how do i change a directory and everything in it to be writeable by a user(ie me) the dir is /opt/azureus
[06:05] <Arcane> ... kent, it's not in there. It's a Westell Wirespeed.
[06:05] <kent> Arcane, I got my brothers usb-modem to work with it, but it takes a lot of reading etc. But they have an irc-channel, etc, and if you ask politly and with the relevant information it should work.
[06:05] <georges> will: sudo chown -R $(id -un) /opt/azureus
[06:06] <Arcane> Oh, great. Now I feel stupid; "Page in English."
[06:06] <will> georges: is it litrally that code, or do i need to substitiute something?
[06:06] <georges> no, the id -un does the substitution (your username)
[06:06] <kent> Arcane, atleast i think that package is the last way out for a lot of people with usb-adsl :(
[06:06] <will> georges: thanks!
[06:07] <kurt> what's just the logon file...
[06:07] <kurt> heh
[06:07] <Raskall> Argh.. When my P4M-processor gets too hot my wlan adapter freezes the whole computer.
[06:07] <expose> Burgundavia: well - this is why i used "s - i meant like...a developer community which is more or less open for everyone to join, similar to debina, gentoo, whatever else.
[06:08] <will> georges: ta it worked :)
[06:08] <Arcane> The modem's in the HIDDEN space. :o It's not unsupported or supported or maybe supported.
[06:08] <sig> why is it getting to hot Raskall ?
[06:08] <kent> Didn't firefox/mozilla get a securityupdate in hoary? I thought i read something about that. But I have not yet got it on my Hoary :(  Whats the version of the update? So that i can check if its already installed..
[06:08] <Raskall> sig: because its pentium 4? :) At least its the only explanation I have. Each time the wlan acts up, the temp is over 80 degrees centigrade
[06:09] <mifune> can anyone help me with making my soundblaster 16 card work? searching on the ubuntu forum and with google didnt really help.
[06:09] <sig> Raskall: odd cause I run a P4 and have never experienced that problem.
[06:09] <Raskall> sig: on a laptop?
[06:09] <sig> yes
[06:09] <sig> sony vaio
[06:09] <Raskall> sig: ok.. ibm a31/p here.
[06:10] <blazaah> if im installing vlc in ubuntu, which packages do i need?
[06:10] <Raskall> sig: but it only happens when I actually have it on my lap. if I have it on my desk it's always ok.
[06:10] <will> i have an ibitza PC (ibitza this ibitza that)
[06:11] <Raskall> sig: I get som memory errors from the prism2.5-card.
[06:12] <Raskall> sig: and the wlan-card will not start if I boot immediately and gives a lot of "Error -110 writing TX descriptor to BAP" or something. Googled for a solution lots of times but never found one.
[06:12] <membreya> Arcane: is it listed in your dmesg properly?
[06:13] <Arcane> I didn't save my demsg, sadly.
[06:13] <Arcane> It is detected and all though.
[06:13] <MrNonchalant> with a more or less default install of apache 2.x from the repository, how would one enable SSL? all the online guides I can find have file structures that look nothing like the one from the deb
[06:13] <Raskall> sig: but I will buy an usb dongle soon and remove the built in wlan-card permanently.
[06:14] <MrNonchalant> I already have test certs, the mod enabled, the port set to listen, and the firewalls to pass through
[06:14] <MrNonchalant> right now I'm grappling with virtual hosts
[06:15] <Arcane> Do I have to do make menuconfig and such to enable USB support in Ubuntu?
[06:15] <Raskall> Arcane: no.. usb support should be on in the default kernel.
[06:15] <membreya> Arcane: why don't you unplug it and plug it back in and check your dmesg?
[06:15] <Raskall> Arcane: if you have a supported usb controller.
[06:15] <Arcane> ... membreya, I really would
[06:16] <kurt> what is the config file to change the display manager?
[06:16] <georges> Arcane: if you type "lsmod | grep usb" and it lists something then usb is active
[06:16] <membreya> kurt: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:16] <Arcane> But then I'd have to turn the computer off, put the disc in, reboot, load Ubuntu, unplug it, replug it, and then demsg and all. :\
[06:17] <kurt> membreya: not that display manager.
[06:17] <kurt> the one, like GDM.
[06:17] <kurt> or KDM.
[06:17] <georges> obvious. how else would Arcane be in the chat
[06:17] <membreya> oh dher me :P
[06:17] <jessica_> does anyone have a working xorg.conf for an i810 chipset?
[06:17] <Arcane> Closest I can get is dhclienting ferociously at you.
[06:17] <Raskall> kurt: do you want to configure or just switch display manager? I used "dpkg-reconfigure kdm" and got an option to set kdm as default dm
[06:17] <kurt> Raskall: I'm not going to use kdm or gdm.
[06:18] <georges> Arcane: I hope we are talking about an usb-adsl modem and not an usb-analog modem
[06:18] <confrey> hi, while trying to import anything in thunderbird, the app crash with a segfault, this is the output : FILE: [xpconnect wrapped nsIFile] DOUBLE-CLICK: 400 --> -1 THRESHOLD: 8 --> -1 /usr/lib/mozilla-thunderbird/run-mozilla.sh: line 159: 10476 Segmentation fault    "$prog" ${1+"$@"}
[06:18] <membreya> sit0 is just your IPv6
[06:18] <Arcane> USB-ADSL.
[06:18] <confrey> what can I do?
[06:18] <membreya> it should be usb0 AFAIK
[06:18] <Raskall> kurt: ok. I guess its somewhere in /etc/X11, but I dont know where.
[06:18] <jessica_> I am either getting no response at all on VT 7 or a max of 640x480 in X
[06:18] <Arcane> I know, I know. :P I'm trying to pick on dhclient
[06:18] <kurt> I already changed it there.
[06:18] <kurt> default-display-manager?
[06:19] <kurt> still no go.
[06:19] <Arcane> Hm, should I sign up for a free 56k service really quick, and sign on with it?
[06:19] <georges> hmm... unfortunately I did know before that I was going to use linux on DSL... so I got an ethernet model. I did read beforehand that USB ist not really well supported.
[06:19] <georges> but that was 3 years ago. may have changed now
[06:20] <jessica_> does anyone have an experience with anything even remotely similar to an i810 graphics chipset, I can't get it to work at all
[06:20] <Raskall> oops.. store closes in 40 minutes.. has to go.. c ya l83
[06:20] <Raskall> l8r, even
[06:21] <dcahrakos> can someone help me with this
[06:21] <dcahrakos> Well, basically, I burned the hoary iso to a cd, rebooted, set my bios to boot from cd, then I got to the screen where it says press enter to boot, I do that and it does a couple things, and gets to uncompressing linux and booting kernel or something of that nature, and then my pc, just resets..
[06:21] <MrNonchalant> has anyone configured SSL here before?
[06:21] <georges> Arcane: your usb should turn up in "cat /proc/bus/usb/devices" and if it's not listed as something known I don't think it will be easy to make work
[06:21] <blizah> any gui application go unrar an archive in ubuntu?
[06:21] <blizah> ive seen unrar-nonfree but i dont think its a gui
[06:21] <tbird> why arent there ever any ops in here ?
[06:21] <Arcane> ... Yeah, it's shown. :<
[06:21] <MrNonchalant> nonsense georges, all he'd have to do is write a driver
[06:22] <MrNonchalant> peace of cake
[06:22] <MrNonchalant> ;)
[06:22] <Arcane> tbird - They appear when needed, much like the trolls appear when hated.
[06:22] <georges> dcahrakos: the knoppix people say: burn your booting CD at single speed. that seems to resolve a lot of issues
[06:22] <tbird> heh
[06:22] <Arcane> Luckily, nobody wants trolls and the ops have taken care of enough of them.
[06:22] <tbird> thats good
[06:22] <dcahrakos> like 1x speed?
[06:22] <georges> dcahrakos: yeah.
[06:22] <goldfish> they also appear when those morons come on dcc sending viruses to everyneone
[06:22] <MrNonchalant> ugh
[06:22] <thechitowncubs> Have any of you used XFCE?
[06:23] <Pluk> i use it now
[06:23] <goldfish> I have.
[06:23] <tbird> I like this channel would be a pitty to be ruined by trolls
[06:23] <goldfish> And do, it's great.
[06:23] <thechitowncubs> It works good with ubuntu
[06:23] <thechitowncubs> i love how it works seamlessly with nautilus
[06:23] <georges> has anyone used ayttm ?
[06:23] <Pluk> xfce is awesome
[06:23] <MrNonchalant> SSL anyone? anyone at all?
[06:23] <gen> xfce4* is awesome, yes
[06:23] <TaxMan> How do I edit the default OS in GRUB from Windows? ubuntuguide.org only mentions how to do it from ubuntu.
[06:23] <blizah> is unrar as a opposed to unrar-nonfree a gui?
[06:23] <Pluk> gen, indeed :)
[06:24] <georges> MrNaughty: yeah
[06:24] <tbird> TaxMan, whats the prob you cant boot into linux ?
[06:24] <Arcane> Someone ought to make a OS called Troll. Based off Gnome, yaknow?
[06:24] <dcahrakos> georges, but what if the cd boots in VMware?
[06:24] <thechitowncubs> it seems so much more efficient than gnome
[06:24] <Arcane> And then it autodetects if you're trolling and runs 1,000,000 open source Clippys.
[06:24] <azad> how to see a partition table with anything in.. ntfs and so on, too?
[06:24] <MrNonchalant> Arcane: It should spit curse ords at you instaed of error messages.
[06:24] <georges> dcahrakos: as long as it's a physical CD it can have physical problems
[06:24] <thechitowncubs> even when running gnome apps
[06:25] <Pluk> i just like its simplicity
[06:25] <dcahrakos> I suppose its worth a try
[06:25] <georges> dcahrakos: if it's fine in VM, then your PC has some... ermm... issue.
[06:25] <dcahrakos> ah
[06:25] <dcahrakos> damn
[06:25] <Arcane> Heck, how can you get the Live CD to save settings to the hard disk?
[06:25] <georges> dcahrakos: try with a live CD, knoppix or ubuntu
[06:25] <blizah> do i want unrar or unrar-nonfree (looking for a gui application for unraring)?
[06:25] <thechitowncubs> file roller can handle rar
[06:26] <thechitowncubs> just install rar and unrar
[06:26] <Arcane> blizah, if it's either of those
[06:26] <cycom> Until Ubuntu, I hated gnome.
[06:26] <Arcane> Get unrar, because free > not free. Support open source. :P
[06:26] <cycom> now I love it.
[06:26] <azad> how to see a partition table of for example /dev/hda?
[06:26] <blizah> arcane is unrar a gui by any chance or just command line unraring?
[06:26] <cycom> azad: use fdisk or cfdisk?
[06:26] <thechitowncubs> I just don't like KDE
[06:26] <Xappe> blizah: commandline
[06:26] <Arcane> I don't know. Try looking for stuffit or some such.
[06:26] <jessica_> I'm having very odd things happening with a 100% fresh hoary install, I'm getting a bunch of funky characters in debconf and now my cursor has disappeared from the terminal
[06:26] <jessica_> this is freaky
[06:26] <thechitowncubs> gnome is good, but i just discovered XFCE
[06:26] <thechitowncubs> and im surpirsed
[06:27] <azad> thanks cycom
[06:27] <cycom> azad: np.
[06:27] <Jet2k5> Hello guys, anyone here running a home server with ubuntu?
[06:27] <georges> jessica_: my last install also messed up the terminal settings but it finished ok.
[06:27] <cycom> azad: do you have more than one computer?
[06:27] <AilleantSian> is anyone here running on a belkin wlan card at all ?
[06:27] <gen> jet2k5 yes why
[06:27] <azad> cycom: mhh yes, why?
[06:28] <azad> well.. one laptop and one computer..
[06:28] <ogb> HI, how is ubuntu unstable called now?
[06:28] <Jet2k5> gen, where do all the files go? in warty they went in /var/www/apache2-default
[06:28] <azad> ogb: breezy is what you're looking for i guess
[06:28] <cycom> azad: try installing gentoo on it.  It'll teach you a lot of basic stuff that's good to know.  It's a bitch and a half to do though.
[06:28] <gen> i dont run a web server jet, i run a fileserver
[06:28] <ogb> azad: yes :D
[06:28] <Jet2k5> but I think it changed to /var/www and I have a testphp.php in there, but when I visit my ip address it doesn't work
[06:28] <cycom> I use gentoo for all my stuff except my laptop
[06:28] <azad> i installed gentoo once
[06:28] <georges> cycom: I moved from gentoo to ubuntu. it just sucked
[06:28] <Jet2k5> gen, should be the same thing, like as far as people connecting to it
[06:28] <azad> took quite long time.. even on stage 1
[06:29] <azad> erm.. stage 1 is the easy one, isn't it?
[06:29] <TaxMan> tbird: No, but I'm in windows right now and I want to edit it.
[06:29] <thechitowncubs> how do you take a screenshot in XFCE
[06:29] <gen> jet2k5, its local
[06:29] <Jet2k5> azad, no
[06:29] <thechitowncubs> or in the console
[06:29] <Jet2k5> gen, ah, nvm
[06:29] <Jet2k5> azad, stage 3 is easy
[06:29] <azad> then stage 3..
[06:29] <Jet2k5> yeah
[06:29] <azad> okay
[06:29] <Jet2k5> stage 1 is hard, I think they call it boot-strap
[06:29] <Jet2k5> or something like that
[06:29] <georges> thechitowncubs: xwd|display
[06:29] <azad> whatever, thanks cycom but i actually don't feel like installing genott right now
[06:29] <tbird> TaxMan, there are apps you can use to cp from linux to windows but i dont think it will go the other way
[06:29] <cycom> Jet2k5: it's like 2 extra steps. it's not hard, it just takes longer
[06:30] <Jet2k5> heh what ever I'm not about to find out :P
[06:30] <cycom> wuss.
[06:30] <Jet2k5> no not a wuss, just don't want to try gentoo
[06:30] <thechitowncubs> georges: that command wasn't found
[06:30] <thechitowncubs> display wasn't found
[06:30] <markuman> hello. is there any link / how to / how to make .deb from source?
[06:30] <cycom> in any case, they're starting to move away from stage 1 and 2 so that stage 3 is the only way to go, since 1 and 2 are causing problems like circular deps and things (or so I've heard)
[06:31] <cycom> emerge -u world is nice
[06:31] <cycom> but Ubuntu is still the fast/easy/complete way to go on my laptop
[06:31] <georges> thechitowncubs: you need imagemagick, it's coming with that.
[06:31] <azad> i'm fine with apt
[06:31] <mroth> could someone who only installed hoary after *release* paste their sources.list into http://pastebin.ca/ ?  I want to compare against the release version of the document
[06:32] <georges> thechitowncubs: oops, no display here either. installing imagemagick
[06:32] <cycom> I hope 2.6.10 supports my GPS. 2.6.11 had the modules for it marked (NEW)
[06:32] <Marble2> Is there a way to change the dialogs firefox uses to upload and download files?
[06:32] <blizah> looking...no such thing as a gui unrar application?
[06:32] <membreya> kurt: /etc/X11/default-display-manager is definately where you change it
[06:32] <georges> sudo apt-get install imagemagick
[06:32] <membreya> damnit he's left lol
[06:32] <djp> can anyone help me with alterations to this line of a script file? "# datadir is the directory you want podcasts saved to: datadir=$(date +%Y-%m-%d)". what i want to do is change the location to an audio folder in my home directory. do i just replace the $ with the physical location of the folder (i.e., /home/username/audio/) or do i leave the $??? confused here! help!
[06:33] <cycom> sunava bitch. it's only suported in 2.6.11
[06:34] <georges> djp: datadir=/home/myuser/audio/$(date +%Y-%m-%d)
[06:34] <georges> djp: that is, if you want the date to be in the filename
[06:34] <akk> I notice that the hoary-final installer left the "security" lines commented out of /etc/apt/sources.list.
[06:34] <akk> Is that right?  Should I uncomment them if I want to get security updates?
[06:35] <georges> anyone using ayttm?=
[06:35] <markuman> cycom, what is emerge -u
[06:35] <markuman> ?
[06:35] <cycom> emerge --update
[06:35] <cycom> it's updates out of date packages
[06:35] <thechitowncubs> thanks george
[06:35] <cycom> or you can do emerge -eu world
[06:35] <cycom> which will recompile EVERYTHING
[06:36] <djp> georges: thanks! so what is the $ for exactly? is that to allow for a directory to be created?
[06:36] <markuman> but how to make .deb packages from source? is it prossible with apt-build ?
[06:36] <georges> djp: $(....) is excuting what is between the parenthesis and the result is put into the string
[06:36] <cycom> oh well, time for DistCC!
[06:36] <djp> georges: thankyou
[06:37] <cycom> markuman: not sure.  I never used debian for more than an hour, before replacing it.  Ubuntu is the first debian-based thing that I've liked.
[06:37] <queuetue> It definitely seems like a kernel problem - the disks work fine in another machine, the system works fine with both the livecd and a windows PE disk... Wht can I do here?
[06:38] <thechitowncubs> hello again
[06:39] <thechitowncubs> is it possible to disable the thing in gnome when you minimize it shows black boxes
[06:39] <thechitowncubs> is it possible to turn that off
[06:41] <mjr> thechitowncubs, start the gconf-editor, search for the key "reduced_resources", check it
[06:42] <mjr> though it'll have other consequences as well
[06:42] <mjr> which you might not want
[06:42] <blizah> any reason why if i want to remove totem i have to remove ubuntu-desktop also?
[06:42] <mjr> blizah, because totem is a part of ubuntu-desktop?
[06:43] <queuetue> As a test, I've agreed to install XP on the system, and see how it acts with the hardware ... I find it very distrubing that I can't op open another console during the install. :)
[06:43] <chaitatp> mjr: when you say ubuntu-desktop, do you mean gnome?
[06:44] <Burgundavia> chaitatp, he means ubuntu-desktop the meta package
[06:44] <thechitowncubs> mjr: what are the other changes that it makes?
[06:44] <blizah> mjr heh i guess that makes sense
[06:45] <chaitatp> Burgundavia: what's meta package, anyway
[06:46] <mjr> thechitowncubs, disables opaque moving, for instance
[06:46] <Burgundavia> chaitatp, one that by itself gives you nothing, but it deps include useful things, like totem and the gnome stuff
[06:46] <thechitowncubs> eh
[06:46] <thechitowncubs> ok
[06:46] <thechitowncubs> i
[06:46] <thechitowncubs> I'll leave it
[06:46] <mjr> blizah, removing the package is safe, btw, however, if new software is included in the ubuntu-desktop set in the next release, you won't get them automatically with upgrade
[06:47] <blizah> mjr what about updates to hoary?..im guessing there will be some no
[06:47] <chaitatp> Burgundavia: thx
[06:48] <Burgundavia> blizah, there will be security and critical bugfixes
[06:48] <Burgundavia> blizah, no new packages or features
[06:48] <blizah> gotcha
[06:49] <blizah> right now i cant even get totem to open :(
[06:49] <LycoN> why doesnt ubuntu come with a c compiler
[06:49] <blizah> says totem could not startup. resource busy or unavailble
[06:50] <LycoN> who can help me?
[06:51] <ups> LycoN: install build-essential
[06:51] <LycoN> thanks
[06:52] <Niki> afk
[06:54] <Burgundavia> LycoN, most users do not need a c compiler
[06:56] <LycoN> i need one
[06:56] <Burgundavia> LycoN, we are not most users
[06:58] <LycoN> for build-ess do i download source or binary
[06:58] <ups> LycoN: you just install the package from synaptic
[06:58] <cusco> hi...
[06:58] <cusco> cusco@cusco:/home$ fusermount: old style mounting not supported
[06:58] <LycoN> wat is the url
[06:59] <ups> LycoN: it will be a binary, but u dont have to think about that
[06:59] <cusco> anyone in here uses gmailfs?
[06:59] <daengbo> Hi, I just fried my PIII Hoary setup. I edited my xorg.conf to use nvidia instead of nv, and about ten minutes later my machine hard hung. after reboot, I got a GRUB error 17. Now in Knoppix and my old root partition (reiserfs) is unmountable. "Mount: Not a directory"
[06:59] <daengbo> I've tried using qtparted to look at it, but nothing special shows up
[06:59] <ups> LycoN: just open synaptic, and click search - type build-essential there
[06:59] <LycoN> ok
[07:00] <daengbo> any suggestions? Google didn't help
[07:00] <ups> LycoN: after that, you click on the check box and click on 'install'
[07:00] <niskin> how can I restart my konqueror - or make a new conf file ?
[07:00] <LycoN> dude thank you
[07:00] <Burgundavia> niskin, you might want to ask at #kubuntu
[07:01] <ups> LycoN: finally, click on apply on the top - and it will auutomatically download and install it
[07:03] <fahad> hi all
[07:03] <fahad> i would like to thanks ubuntu developers for this superb distro, it runs my laptop smoothly !!
[07:03] <daengbo> peace, then
[07:04] <LycoN> hey wat wine stuff do i need to mark for install
[07:04] <LycoN> all of them?
[07:04] <LycoN> or just wine and winesetuptk
[07:04] <cusco> LycoN: try sudo apt-get build-dep wine
[07:04] <lsuactiafner> ok i installed 5.03 the Amd iso, the lilo package didnt want to install/load so i skipped the bootloader installation, since on /dev/sda i got slackware with lilo
[07:05] <lsuactiafner> but turns out it wasnt a good idea..
[07:05] <LycoN> thanks
[07:05] <lsuactiafner> so now i got an installation with no boot loader
[07:05] <lsuactiafner> and idea how i can fix this
[07:05] <lsuactiafner> i read man lilo already and i seem to do something wrong..
[07:05] <Manawyddan> does anyone have clisp-2.33.2 installed ?
[07:05] <LycoN> hey when u talk about sudo that is from just terminal or Rterminal
[07:06] <LeeColleton> how do I open stuffit files on ubuntu?
[07:06] <cusco> LycoN: any console will do
[07:06] <cusco> LycoN: as long as you use sudo
[07:06] <lsuactiafner> 4926 /sbin/lilo -C /mnt/02/etc/lilo.conf
[07:06] <lsuactiafner> Warning: The boot sector and map file are on different disks.
[07:06] <lsuactiafner> Added AMD64-UBUNTU *
[07:07] <FlimFlamMan> what's ubuntu
[07:07] <cusco> you mean.. the meaning?
[07:07] <Burgundavia> FlimFlamMan, I linux distribution
[07:07] <dr_willis> one of the first things defined on ubuntu.org :P
[07:07] <Burgundavia> FlimFlamMan, www.ubunt.com
[07:08] <FlimFlamMan> what's ubuntu's position on debian's contention that a lot of debian packages end up incompatible with ubuntu?
[07:08] <FlimFlamMan> sorry
[07:08] <mishof> how do i extract a rar file?
[07:08] <darkx> did the ubuntu device database come around in hoary final? was it in the preview hoary iso?
[07:08] <dr_willis> doh .com :P
[07:08] <Burgundavia> FlimFlamMan, generally, ubuntu is built off of debian sid. in fact Ubuntu just synced to debian sid
[07:08] <dr_willis> FlimFlamMan,  i dont think the Ubuntu guys care. :P they are too busy polishing things and fixing stuff.
[07:08] <Burgundavia> FlimFlamMan, so the sarge thing is a bit of a red herring
[07:09] <Burgundavia> dr_willis, that is completely untrue
[07:09] <FlimFlamMan> Burgundavia, thanks.
[07:09] <Burgundavia> dr_willis, a lot of ubuntu devs are dd's as well
[07:09] <Burge> hi, i'm after some advice. I have 3 computers (XP, Ubuntu and FC3) and would like to be able to connect to each one's desktop (like VNC). Thing is, I don't have monitors on the Linux machines and would like ot just turn on the PCs without needing to log-in to a user session first, which I believe means VNC isn't appropriate
[07:09] <FlimFlamMan> i'd be interested in using it if it weren't a detriment to debian
[07:09] <dr_willis> Burgundavia,  if you say so., :P the chats ive heard about it seem in this channel seem to consider the issue a non-issue.
[07:10] <Burgundavia> FlimFlamMan, I don't see Ubuntu as a net detriment to debian
[07:10] <dr_willis> but everyone has an oponion. and this does seem to get to be a heated issue.
[07:10] <Burgundavia> dr_willis, it is a non-issue not becuase it is being ignored, but because it is a non-issue
[07:10] <FlimFlamMan> Burgundavia, are all the packages in sid available to ubuntu users?
[07:10] <mifune> hi. can anyone help me with making my soundblaster 16 card work? searching on the ubuntu forum and with google didnt really help.
[07:10] <Burgundavia> FlimFlamMan, yep
[07:10] <FlimFlamMan> hmm
[07:10] <Burgundavia> FlimFlamMan, ubuntu has more as well
[07:10] <mishof> how can i extract .RAR ???
[07:10] <dr_willis> is it good for debian, is it bad..    - interesting points are beeing made on both sides.
[07:10] <dr_willis> mishof,  with 'unrar'
[07:10] <Burgundavia> FlimFlamMan, easier to get a package into ubuntu that debian
[07:10] <Burgundavia> mishof, need unrar-nonfree
[07:11] <Burgundavia> mishof, then on the command line unrar x blah.rar
[07:11] <djm62> ubuntu isn't actively hostile to newbies...and they outnumber techies considerably
[07:11] <dr_willis> mifune,  isit a 'real' soundblaster card?
[07:11] <mishof> Burgundavia, i tried, i get failed
[07:11] <FlimFlamMan> Burgundavia, how about sarge?  i have sarge on a desktop at work.  could i put ubuntu on a spare partition and switch between sarge and ubuntu using the same home directory?
[07:11] <mifune> creative soundblaster 16 dr_willis
[07:11] <LeeColleton> Is there a way to extract SIT files on Ubuntu?
[07:12] <Burgundavia> FlimFlamMan, should be able to. Sarge has older packages than Ubuntu
[07:12] <FlimFlamMan> actually that's kind of a silly question i guess, since sid != sarge
[07:12] <Burgundavia> LeeColleton, I did a quick google and I couldn't see any
[07:12] <dr_willis> mifune,  an old card then eh? it should be seen/detected fairly easially. check 'dmesg' output - see if it mentions the card at all?
[07:12] <Burgundavia> LeeColleton, but you may be able to find one by a more extensive search
[07:12] <Graben> Is there anyway to automount a camera in xfce like in gnome?
[07:12] <Burgundavia> LeeColleton, nor to any package descriptions mention it
[07:12] <mishof> i try to use unrar, but it fails to extract. probably because the files inside the rar file are in hebrew. any ideas ?
[07:13] <dr_willis> in  in hebrew shouldent matter.
[07:13] <Burgundavia> mishof, is there a page I can download these and try then myself?
[07:13] <darkx> did the ubuntu device database come around in hoary final? was it in the preview hoary iso?
[07:13] <LeeColleton> There's a trial version of Stuffit for Linux, I guess I'll try that.  Crappy closed source software...
[07:13] <Burgundavia> darkx, what came in hoary final was the menu entry
[07:13] <dr_willis> mishof,  whats the exact error message? could be the file is currupted.
[07:13] <djm62> FlimFlamMan: I don't think they're different enough to matter as regards dotfiles (no guarantee, mind): you do have /home on a separate partiton?
[07:13] <darkx> ahh thanks Burgundavia, was trying to settle a question with a mate on another server :-D
[07:14] <mishof> dr_willis, it says: extracting blabla.avi extracting blabla2.avi ..... then 19 failed
[07:14] <dr_willis> mishof,  you sure its not a multi-part rar archive and you are missing parts of it?
[07:15] <Burgundavia> FlimFlamMan, any further questions? ubuntu is a good thing, in my view, for all of linux, and that includes debian
[07:15] <dizzy> mifune: sb16 isa pnp?
[07:15] <mishof> dr_willis, pretty sure .. :P
[07:15] <mifune> dizzy not pnp
[07:15] <mifune> dunno about isa.
[07:16] <djm62> for FLOSS generally...
[07:16] <flipy> hi!!!!
[07:16] <dr_willis> mishof,  could cheat and get 'winrar' and use wine to run it. :P ive seen some really funky things done with rars.. (sadly)
[07:16] <flipy> is there any way to install hoary on a fake-raid system (dual boot)?
[07:16] <dizzy> mifune: try this: modprobe snd-sb16 port=0x220 irq=5 dma8=0 dma16=5 mpu_port=0x330 isapnp=0
[07:16] <danx> alguien espaol?
[07:16] <mishof> dr_willis, i might do that actually :P
[07:16] <flipy> danx dime
[07:16] <dizzy> mifune: this is the command I use on fedora
[07:16] <neighborlee> how does one stop RAID from detecting during boot at least until such time that I get such hardware ?LOL
[07:17] <dr_willis> mishof,  there is a 3.5 beta2 for linux at the rar site.. it may be that archive is not linking the older versions of rar you have installed?
[07:17] <djm62> danx: ve a #ubuntu-es para ayuda en espanol
[07:17] <flipy> neighborlee rcconf
[07:17] <chaitatp> i use emacs to open a 7xx xxx lines text file, have you ever seen any text editors that can do like that?
[07:17] <mifune> dizzy: nope. two errors.
[07:17] <flipy> is there any way to install hoary on a fake-raid system (dual boot)?
[07:17] <dr_willis> chaitatp,  huh?
[07:18] <dizzy> mifune: check the jumpers
[07:18] <mishof> dr_willis, version 3.5 beta2 of what?
[07:18] <idn> what is QT anyway?
[07:18] <neighborlee> Flik, ok thx
[07:18] <dizzy> mifune: is this card isa or pci?
[07:18] <danx> ubuntu-es no exite
[07:19] <dr_willis> mishof,  of rar for linux. Just chedked their homepage. what version ya got installed anyway?
[07:19] <neighborlee> flipy, command not found...
[07:19] <mifune> dizzy: i believe it is a pci card. not 100% shure though.
[07:19] <flipy> neighborlee go to synaptic and install it..
[07:20] <dizzy> mifune: then you should be able to see it with lspci
[07:20] <mifune> dizzy: havent seen it with that.
[07:20] <dizzy> mifune: if not it is an isa card
[07:20] <dantheman> what does compositing do?
[07:20] <goldfish> dantheman: shadow effects and transparency
[07:21] <goldfish> dantheman: well u need xcompmgr and transset
[07:21] <dizzy> mifune: thy have a very different bus connector
[07:21] <femv> hi people...... how can i disable network lookup at boot time ?
[07:21] <goldfish> but u have to enable compositinig for them to work good
[07:21] <dantheman> alright, thanks
[07:21] <goldfish> dantheman: There is a good hoto on ubuntuforums.org if you are interested
[07:21] <akk> Interesting, hoary x86 can't deal with usb keyboards.
[07:21] <dantheman> alright, i'll search for it
[07:21] <goldfish> I set it up, it looks sweet.
[07:22] <djm62> akk: really? not at all?
[07:22] <dantheman> how much does it slow down X?
[07:22] <akk> djm62: Nope.  It never asked, and upon boot, it brings up a login screen but doesn't respond to key inputs.
[07:22] <akk> djm62: Rebooting now, trying again (maybe something timed out).
[07:23] <nic__> does anyone know , if there is even is one, the bash command to set a cups passwd?
[07:23] <akk> djm62: BTW, I finally gave up finding an "approved" way to get the networking started on my laptop, and had to edit /etc/network/interfaces.
[07:23] <djm62> akk: you were having wireless trouble, yeah?
[07:23] <akk> djm62: So the installer probably won't work for a normal user on a single-pcmcia slot laptop, alas.
[07:23] <mishof> dr_willis, i dont have rar i have unrar
[07:23] <akk> djm62: No, wired.
[07:24] <mifune> dizzy: brb. checking in windows if i can find more info.
[07:24] <akk> djm62: It's just a simple 3com card, 3c59x
[07:24] <femv> how can i disable network lookup at boot time ?
[07:24] <akk> djm62: The kernel sees it just fine, but the installer didn't write anything to /etc/network/interfaces (not even a localhost entry).
[07:24] <dizzy> mifune: open the box and examine the card
[07:24] <djm62> akk: I thought you were somewhat atypical in not being able to have CD and network simultaneously
[07:25] <mike> i just downloaded kubuntu-desktop when i restart will kde come on?
[07:25] <akk> djm62: Anyone with an older (before network chips were built in) single-pcmcia laptop will be in that situation.
[07:25] <mike> or do i have to do somethgin else?
[07:25] <djm62> which is worth reporting to a bugzilla IMO
[07:25] <akk> djm62: Turns out booting with pci=noacpi on the usb-keyboard machine solves that problem.
[07:26] <akk> djm62: Okay, I'll report the network problem.
[07:26] <djm62> akk: how old is the laptop?
[07:26] <bluefoxicy> is anyone here into image editing?
[07:26] <akk> djm62: About 4 years, though they were still making them in that config 2 years ago.
[07:27] <djm62> hmm, not even that old
[07:27] <bluefoxicy> like with Gimp
[07:27] <akk> djm62: And of course a laptop whose built-in networking is an unsupported card would have the same problem.
[07:27] <akk> djm62: The other problem: why does gnome whine at every login about things not working right with no network?
[07:27] <dr_willis> mishof,  well one of the first things we said was to install the unrar-nonfree. :P
[07:27] <akk> djm62: Don't laptops run without a network fairly regularly?
[07:27] <chaitatp> should i really need build-essential just for gcc?
[07:27] <dr_willis> mishof,  winrar seems to be working ok inder cedega. Lol.
[07:27] <djm62> akk: no loopback...
[07:28] <djm62> akk: it networks to itself, like much of unix stuff
[07:28] <akk> djm62: Ah, okay, so it's probably a consequence of having had to skip the network config step.
[07:28] <danko123456> Hey! I have a networking question.
[07:28] <djm62> akk: sounds like it failed gracelessly
[07:28] <akk> djm62: Indeed.
[07:29] <danko123456> I have set up /etc/network/interfaces to use a local network for my two computers.
[07:29] <ubuntcool> hi
[07:29] <danko123456> On eth0.
[07:29] <akk> djm62: It's a problem with the sarge installer, on which the ubuntu one seems to be based?  The woody installer dealt with it fine.
[07:29] <djm62> akk: and it might be appreciated if you give a dispassionate account of your install woes to the appropriate devs, because ideally it won't fail, and if it does, it should be nicer about it
[07:29] <danko123456> Then I also have a ppp connection on eth1, that wont work when my local network is on..
[07:29] <danko123456> Does anyone have any advice?
[07:29] <blizah> im tring to get cedega to run cs at 800x600 but when i altab out it sends gnome desktop it to huge scrolling desktop mode, in #cedega someone said the only way to fix this is to run the game on a different x server than gnome...how would i go about doing this in ubuntu?
[07:29] <akk> djm62: In a bugzilla bug?  Or somewhere else?
[07:30] <danko123456> Both work fine when only one is on.
[07:30] <chaitatp> there'are gcc4.0, gcc3.4, gcc3.3 and also just gcc, which one is appropriate?
[07:30] <danko123456> And, if both are on, the internet connection dont work.
[07:30] <djm62> akk: I never used woody installer, but the potato one was usable in all kinds of weird situations (and no more usable in simple ones :-/)
[07:30] <liable> chaitatp: just install it, its good
[07:30] <chaitatp> to install, i mean
[07:30] <mishof> dr_willis, hehe winrar under wine let me extract :D
[07:30] <chaitatp> liable, ok then i'll just install build-essential
[07:31] <dr_willis> mishof,  but the better way is to  add the right  sources. and install the actull unrar binary. :P that way the standard linux shell can be used.
[07:31] <blizah> ah winrar under wine..is that the only option for a gui unrarer?
[07:31] <chaitatp> liable, seem liket gcc4.0 is not so stable, right?
[07:31] <akk> djm62: Is it a known bug that none of the menu items under System->Administration work?
[07:31] <mishof> dr_willis, i have unrar ! it just cant extract it .. (probly because filenames are hebrew or something)
[07:31] <Burgundavia> akk, umm, not really
[07:31] <dr_willis> blizah,  i think some people have been running into rar version issues lately. Not sure exactly.
[07:31] <Burgundavia> akk, what do you mena not work?
[07:31] <djm62> akk: definitely not....that would never make it into a release
[07:31] <liable> chaitatp: dunno, look at the bts for details
[07:32] <danko123456> Can anyone assist me with some advice on networking?
[07:32] <blizah> dr_willis k
[07:32] <akk> djm62: I've had that problem on both of the machines on which I've installed ubuntu.
[07:32] <femv> how can i disable network lookup at boot time ?
[07:32] <dr_willis> linux and wine - good for texting out stuff. :P no spyware worries.
[07:32] <djm62> akk: did they both have network problems?
[07:32] <akk> djm62: It appears gnome-sudu (I think that's what it's called) is failing.
[07:32] <akk> djm62: No, the desktop handled networking just fine.  Nearly everything worked, just not those menu items.
[07:32] <liable> femv: uncomment the auto part
[07:33] <chaitatp> liable, what does bts abbreviate for?
[07:33] <femv> liable, where
[07:33] <akk> djm62: They all worked fine if I su'ed and ran them from root (if I could find out the name of the app it wanted).
[07:33] <liable> femv: or just hit ctl c
[07:33] <djm62> akk: does plain "sudo" work?
[07:33] <danko123456> between the sheets
[07:33] <danko123456> :)
[07:33] <danko123456> thats what it sounds like to me.
[07:33] <liable> femv: /etc/network/interfaces
[07:33] <gratuit> akk: did you change the root password with passwd?
[07:33] <danko123456> liable.
[07:33] <oneifreak> chaitatp, bug tracking system
[07:33] <liable> chaitatp: bug tracking system
[07:33] <danko123456> Can you assist me with some networking advice?
[07:34] <lsuactiafner> ok when i load the ubuntu kernel from lilo for the amd64 version i get a clear screen and then nothin...
[07:34] <dori> can ubuntu do lvm during the install?
[07:34] <liable> danko123456: i dont know
[07:34] <danko123456> Well, I have a local network set up.
[07:34] <akk> djm62: Interesting; I thought it worked initially, but now I'm getting "not in the sudoers file".
[07:34] <femv> liable, if i comment that out... it wont look for them at boot time?
[07:34] <danko123456> Ethernet cables, NICs, and a switch.
[07:34] <djm62> akk: which would explain gnome-sudo ;)
[07:34] <akk> djm62: Does expert mode not set up sudoers since it sets up root?
[07:34] <danko123456> There is also a internet connection through a second NIC in one of the ocmputers.
[07:35] <ubuntcool> hey guys, ubuntu is way too cool! :-)
[07:35] <djm62> akk: ah! you had the chance to make all kinds of mistakes :)
[07:35] <liable> femv: see the auto bit? if you uncomment it, then it wont start at boot
[07:35] <danko123456> When both are enabled the internet dont work.
[07:35] <danko123456> I agree ubuntucool
[07:35] <liable> femv: but you can start it with ifup
[07:35] <djm62> akk: not your fault at all, there should be an option to only use "expert mode" for single steps without forcing you to do the whole thing
[07:35] <femv> liable, is this the auto bit ? "auto lo"
[07:36] <danko123456> liable: did you get a chance to read what I wrote?
[07:36] <liable> femv: no, what interface are you talking about
[07:37] <femv> i want to disable eth0 look up at startup
[07:37] <danko123456> liable: this is what my LAN entry looks like in /etc/net/interfaces
[07:37] <danko123456> #iface eth0 inet static
[07:37] <danko123456> #address <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:37] <danko123456> #gateway <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:37] <danko123456> #netmask <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:37] <liable> femv: you have a eth0 entry in that file?
[07:37] <femv> liable, this is what i read  iface eth0 inet dhcp in the etc/network/interfaces
[07:37] <djm62> akk: can you use visudo to put yourself into sudoers?
[07:37] <femv> liable, yes and it also says  This is a list of hotpluggable network interfaces.
[07:37] <femv> # They will be activated automatically by the hotplug subsystem
[07:38] <liable> femv: there is not a line above it that says 'auto'
[07:38] <danko123456> And my internet connection is pppoe.
[07:38] <akk> djm62: Just did (took a while to figure out how to get nano to save the file ...)
[07:38] <akk> djm62: Looks like that was the problem.
[07:38] <danko123456> when I uncomment, and start the iface, then the internet dont work.
[07:38] <femv> liable, this is what i have above it mapping hotplug
[07:38] <femv> 	script grep
[07:38] <femv> 	map eth0
[07:38] <femv> and auto lo
[07:38] <femv> iface lo inet loopback
[07:38] <djm62> akk: what's left to solve, then?
[07:38] <akk> djm62: Is that a bug worth reporting?  That it sets up a desktop with all those options even in expert mode, but they don't work?
[07:38] <akk> djm62: It's a bit confusing having lots of menu items that don't work.
[07:39] <dori> a couple of people here must have noticed whether you can install on a LV...anyone?
[07:39] <liable> femv: what do you have for etho in interfaces
[07:39] <djm62> akk: I think "expert mode" implies (perhaps wrongly) that you won't be confused by this sort of thing
[07:39] <danko123456> dori: I dont know what it is.
[07:39] <liable> danko123456: that looks ok, whats wrong
[07:39] <femv> liable , this mapping hotplug
[07:39] <femv> 	script grep
[07:39] <femv> 	map eth0
[07:39] <danko123456> liable: thanks.
[07:39] <femv> and this iface eth0 inet dhcp
[07:39] <danko123456> liable: when I turn on the LAN, the internet dont work.
[07:39] <akk> djm62: That may be the implication, but then maybe it shouldn't set up a desktop like that ...
[07:40] <danko123456> Its two separate NICs.
[07:40] <tormod> hi out there! Has anybody managed aterm with german umlauts in hoary? im trying now for about 3 hours and still cant get my umlauts working :(
[07:40] <danko123456> And I set up the other for pppoe
[07:40] <djm62> akk: it's not a "bug" to allow experts to make their system temporarily broken....but it is a bug to force non-experts to use expert mode
[07:40] <liable> danko123456: try ifup eth0
[07:40] <danko123456> And it works when my LAN is off.
[07:40] <akk> djm62: Unfortunately expert mode is the only option if you need to do things like skip the networking step, on a machine where it won't work.
[07:40] <danko123456> liable: Everything works on its own.
[07:40] <dori> danko123456: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LVM
[07:40] <akk> djm62: Or skip installing the bootloader (which is the biggest reason I use expert mode).
[07:40] <liable> femv: whats in /etc/network/interfaces for eth0
[07:41] <liable> danko123456: well whats the problem then
[07:41] <danko123456> liable: When I turn on my LAN, with the settings as shown above, the internet  connection does not work, even though I have a valid IP.
[07:41] <liable> danko123456: you can ping google.com
[07:41] <akk> djm62: Otherwise I'd love not to use it, since every couple of steps expert mode repeats the three questions about pcmcia, module options, and some modules that didn't load.
[07:41] <femv> liable... im in /etc/network/interfaces  and it says mapping hotplug
[07:41] <femv> 	script grep
[07:41] <femv> 	map eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp
[07:41] <djm62> akk: gotcha...it's really a feature request: more optional granularity between expert and hands-off installing
[07:41] <danko123456> dori: thanks, I dont use that though, sorry.
[07:42] <danko123456> I dont think so.
[07:42] <danko123456> I have to go try though, I know a bit about trouble shooting.
[07:42] <akk> djm62: How about those repeated questions?  They seem like a bug too; is there a reason they're needed?
[07:42] <danko123456> But, basically I dont think it works, since I cant browse.
[07:42] <danko123456> liable: Ill go check, and be back, thanks.
[07:43] <djm62> akk: are you too pissed-off to have an irc talk to some devs?
[07:43] <liable> femv: ok, man ifconfig, thats different to what i am used to
[07:43] <djm62> akk: I think bugzilla is a bit blunt for this...it's really a usage-case where the install procedure is inappropriate
[07:44] <akk> djm62: IRC would be fine.  Are there any devs who might be interested?
[07:44] <Arcane> Okay, who's idea was it to not put PPPoE in the Live CD? O_o;
[07:45] <Xebitx> when installing ubuntu it needs unnalocated space right ..but I dont have , I only have free space on the other partions
[07:45] <akk> djm62: Don't mean to come across as pissed off.  I'm really not; I dislike the sarge installer very much, but lots of other things about ubuntu are very impressive.
[07:45] <Xebitx> partitions
[07:45] <femv> what if i dont want ifconfig to load at startup?
[07:46] <akk> djm62: Hoary is the first live CD that's ever worked on this laptop, and also manages to get both swsusp and acpi ram suspend mostly working, which I didn't think possible.
[07:46] <pasci> hallo
[07:46] <liable> Xebitx: yes it needs somewhere to go, you cant just add it to the end of a partition
[07:46] <Xebitx> hallo
[07:46] <mifune> dizzy: checked it. it seems to be a pnp card. at least that is what aida said.
[07:46] <pasci> mdchen da??
[07:46] <femv> liable , what if i dont want ifconfig to load at startup?
[07:46] <djm62> akk: no...but I can understand the frustration
[07:47] <Arcane> And if a package can't find pppoe, what package should I get? I have rp-pppoe, and googling is getting me squat.
[07:47] <dizzy> mifune: is it an isa pnp card?
[07:47] <tormod> hi out there! Has anybody managed aterm with german umlauts in hoary? im trying now for about 3 hours and still cant get my umlauts working :( they work fine on xterm or gnome-terminal, even on the "native" login console (ctrl+alt+F2), but not in aterm. Anybody any ideas?
[07:47] <djm62> akk: the best I can suggest is that you give a brief summary to #ubuntu-devel and ask them who you should go to
[07:48] <dizzy> mifune: with large old-style connector?
[07:48] <akk> djm62: Thanks, will do.
[07:48] <mifune> dizzy: couldnt find that. and i cant remember if it had a large old-style connector.
[07:49] <LycoN> man i dont want wine 2005
[07:49] <LycoN> i want wine 20031212
[07:49] <LycoN> how can i install it manually
[07:49] <mifune> hi ztonzy ;)
[07:49] <dizzy> mifune: can't help then. try with isapnp
[07:50] <liable> femv: is your problem that dhcp takes a long time while the machine boots
[07:50] <liable> femv: and you dont use your network card?
[07:50] <LycoN> Does anyone play counter-strike for linux here?
[07:50] <MachineScrew> how is ubuntu vs Fedora
[07:51] <danko123456> haha, awesome.
[07:51] <Bazzi> MachineScrew better</personal>
[07:51] <femv> liable, my problem is that my laptop is giving a lot of error messages at startup because of dhcp
[07:51] <danko123456> I removed the gateway entry from interfaces, and it works.
[07:51] <danko123456> I guess it was trying to go through the gateway.
[07:51] <liable> femv: such as
[07:52] <femv> liable, pcmcia_socket0 unable to apply power
[07:52] <danko123456> But, yeah, seriously, this gnome thing...
[07:52] <MachineScrew> I want to install it on my laptop
[07:52] <liable> femv: when it goes through the whole dhcp thing, if you press ctl + c it will kill dhcp
[07:52] <MachineScrew> its a compaq presario
[07:52] <danko123456> I love it, and the Ubuntu, as well, although I wonder what do they really do?
[07:53] <liable> femv: oh, its a pcmcia
[07:53] <danko123456> I mean, the gde is there, regardless on Ubuntu..
[07:53] <danko123456> off
[07:53] <danko123456> and, all the other packages, I guess Ubuntu ties it all together.,
[07:53] <danko123456> Or something...
[07:53] <liable> danko123456: so you can ping google?
[07:53] <danko123456> No...
[07:53] <femv> liable, its a built in.... but the problem is dhcp .. if a assing a static ip it only shows up once... with dhcp it shows hundreds of times
[07:53] <MachineScrew> I just need to know how easy it is to configure my WiFi card
[07:53] <danko123456> liable: Everything works now.
[07:54] <danko123456> I think anyhow..
[07:54] <MachineScrew> its prism 2
[07:54] <danko123456> Havent tested the LAN>
[07:54] <danko123456> I dont have enough ethernet cables:(
[07:54] <danko123456> But, I am online now...
[07:54] <danko123456> And, my LAN should be working.
[07:54] <benplaut> did the ubuntuforums server just go down?
[07:55] <Guga> made directory for my 2nd hd, how do I mount it?
[07:55] <liable> femv: well what has your pcmia socket power got to do with your built in eth
[07:55] <danko123456> liable: I just removed the gateway entry in interfaces.
[07:55] <danko123456> I commented it out rateher/
[07:55] <danko123456> thanks though.
[07:55] <danko123456> I love this IRC channel.
[07:55] <danko123456> I always come here...
[07:55] <danko123456> restate the issue.
[07:55] <danko123456> And fix it myself.
[07:55] <danko123456> :)
[07:56] <danko123456> Ill go try out the LAN in the other room there is some ethernet cable.
[07:56] <femv> liable, thats a good question.... i have days trying to get around this problem ... now i know is connected with dhcp and that it shows up while it is configuring network interfaces
[07:57] <Laban> Hello. How can I fix the keyboardlayout? Have swedish keyboard but the input is odd.
[07:57] <liable> femv: start again, what is the actual problem
[07:57] <ztonzy> hmm
[07:57] <ztonzy> is there a Gmail checker for gnome ?
[07:58] <jr_G-man> what is an alternative to kaffiene and totem...for dvd playback?
[07:58] <ztonzy> anyone knows ?
[07:58] <jr_G-man> something that is more 'windvd-like'?
[07:58] <danko123456> ztonzy: google it:)
[07:58] <ztonzy> danko123456, lol
[07:58] <danko123456> Google can know better than humans.
[07:58] <mifune> ztonzy: or use the firefox one.
[07:58] <danko123456> Mere mortals:)
[07:58] <ztonzy> danko123456, I cant find it in repositry
[07:58] <ztonzy> mifune, hey !
[07:58] <mifune> hi Z
[07:58] <femv> liable, the problem is that im getting the "cs: pcmcia_socket0: unable to apply power" a lot of times at startup, it does come up while it is "configuring Network interfaces"
[07:58] <ztonzy> mifune, I always do....you also use Ubuntu now ;) ?
[07:59] <femv> liable: if i disable dhcp, it only comes up once...
[07:59] <danko123456> liable: Yeah, my LAN works like a charm too.
[07:59] <chris_d> ztonzy: http://gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org/categories.php?func=gd_show_app&gd_app_id=240
[07:59] <mifune> yes. since january.
[07:59] <Guga> what file type is Warty for mounting the HDD?
[07:59] <danko123456> Now...
[07:59] <liable> femv: but your network card isnt pcmcia?
[07:59] <danko123456> I gotta figure out Internet connection sharing so I can stop paying for additional IP.
[07:59] <ztonzy> mifune, neat
[07:59] <ztonzy> chris_d, thanks
[07:59] <ztonzy> mifune, I swapped from metacity wm to openbox yesterday :)
[07:59] <femv> liable: i have a eth0 and a wlan0, both built in.... pcmcia socket is empty
[08:00] <chris_d> danko123456: Are you talking about NAT and routing?
[08:00] <flipy> is there any way to install hoary on a fake-raid system (dual boot)?
[08:00] <kent> danko123456, the program "firestarter" (which is a program to control the linux firewall) has a simple way of sharing connections. You can install it from ubuntu.
[08:00] <danko123456> chris_d: Well...
[08:00] <danko123456> :)
[08:00] <danko123456> chris_d: What I want now, is internet connection sharing...here are some facts.
[08:01] <Guga> /dev/hda1           /mnt/Warty           ?                  ?                 0           0
[08:01] <Mestapheles> are the englih forums down?  get a refusal to connect message
[08:01] <liable> femv: orinoco wireless?
[08:01] <mifune> ztonzy: reinstalled to 5.04 today and now i dont know anymore how to get my darn soundcard to work.
[08:01] <danko123456> 12:54:48) benplaut: did the ubuntuforums server just go down?
[08:01] <ztonzy> mifune, hmmm which?  most of them work out of the box
[08:01] <femv> liable: orinoco ? what do u  mean....
[08:01] <Mestapheles> I think so
[08:01] <danko123456> chris_d: I have  two NICs in my computer, and one of them is allowing me on the internet now.
[08:02] <mifune> ztonzy: a soundblaster 16
[08:02] <liable> femv: your wireless card, is?
[08:02] <danko123456> chris_d: Other is connected to my otehr comptuer.
[08:02] <Mestapheles> it back on
[08:02] <ztonzy> mifune, should be no problem !
[08:02] <Guga> /dev/hda1       /mnt/Warty          ?                 ?        0     0
[08:02] <danko123456> chris_d: I need this comptuer to send to the other computer internet packets, I guess.
[08:02] <chris_d> danko123456: firestarter is a good solution.
[08:02] <danko123456> Thanks, Both.
[08:02] <IIIEars> Hello!
[08:03] <danko123456> Ill try that out right now..
[08:03] <femv> liable: while in windows it says minipci wireless... chipset : ralink ... it is actually working thatnks to ndiswrapper
[08:03] <danko123456> no, I gotta go to work.
[08:03] <danko123456> :)
[08:03] <danko123456> Later, thanks.
[08:03] <mifune> ztonzy: it is :(
[08:03] <chris_d> danko123456: Essentially, you want the computer with two NIC's to route traffic between the Internet NIC and the local net NIC.
[08:03] <Guga> for /etc/fstab?  what <type> is Warty?
[08:03] <ztonzy> mifune, heh....what kernel ?
[08:03] <ztonzy> well
[08:03] <danko123456> chris_d: exactly.
[08:03] <ztonzy> mifune, soundblasters support is one of the better ones
[08:03] <IIIEars> Hello! :) - Are you seeing my text? (my password may not be registered)
[08:04] <graabein> quick question: where does the torrent files end up? i started a download yesterday and want to continue
[08:04] <graabein> hi iiiiears
[08:04] <femv> liable: before ndiswrapper was installed the wireless card was not recognized... but i had the same problem anyway
[08:04] <IIIEars> Ah Great! :)
[08:04] <liable> femv: 'lspci' what does it say about anything that says wireless
[08:04] <blizah> how would i go about running a game through cedega on a differant xserver than gnome?
[08:04] <nickrud> guga, if it was a default install, it's ext3
[08:05] <graabein> what about the torrent files? where do i find them on my filesystem?
[08:05] <danko123456> ok, Im out, Later everyone.
[08:05] <femv> liable : network controller : RaLink Ralink RT2500 802.11 CardBus Reference Card ( rev 01)
[08:06] <mifune> ztonzy: the one in the .iso of yesterday.
[08:06] <ztonzy> mifune, eeehh ?
[08:06] <femv> liable, it also shows me something about cardbus bridge... but i dont think it is related
[08:06] <nickrud> graabein, if you used gnometorrent, look in home or your desktop for a file that ends with torrent
[08:06] <IIIEars> Ubuntu "Live" CD is so good should i bother with a HD install? - What are the hardware and configuration problems?
[08:06] <liable> femv: hmm and its abuiltin wireless card?
[08:07] <femv> liable: yes it is a bulit in.... ....
[08:07] <LeeColleton> IIIEars: the live CD doesn't allow you to change the default package set
[08:07] <liable> femv: is this a laptop
[08:07] <IIIEars> Are there any? - (joyously jumping up and down with glee) Linux has never been "Fun" before this. - lol
[08:08] <femv> liable, im writting from my desktop... but the problem is in my laptop
[08:08] <blizah> how would i go about running a game through cedega on a differant xserver than gnome?..aka running another xserver in ubuntu
[08:08] <graabein> nickrud, yes, i started a download of a bootleg and a folder with the name was created with empty files inside
[08:08] <graabein> nickrud, i need to find the torrent file to continue download...
[08:08] <ups> IIIEars: the live cd would be more suitable for trying ubuntu out, or for recovery purposes i think
[08:08] <liable> femv: what does lsmod show about pcmcia stuff
[08:09] <nickrud> graabein: use Places->Search for files, name contains torrent, look in home
[08:09] <chris_d> IIIEars: Performance would be better with an HD install, too.
[08:09] <graabein> nickrud, no files found
[08:09] <femv> liable: shoul i look up for pcmcia in "module"
[08:09] <chris_d> IIIEars: If the Live CD is picking up all of your hardware properly, an HD install will, too.
[08:09] <IIIEars> I just cannot believe Ubuntu configured XFree, a printer and all of my USB devices. - at this moment i could be knocked over with a feather. - wide grin
[08:10] <nickrud> try again, look in filesystem, and kick back :)
[08:10] <graabein> nickrud, hehe
[08:10] <liable> femv: anything that looks wireless or pcmcia related
[08:10] <chris_d> IIIEars: Plus, the state of the art in partition resizing is such that doing a dual boot install is pretty simple (though obviously more complex than a 'take over hard disk' install).
[08:10] <ups> IIIEars: you mean Xorg? hoary now has Xorg ;)
[08:11] <femv> liable : ndiswrapper is the only think that looks alike
[08:12] <femv> liable: i do have a pcmcia_core   53568 2  pcmcia, yenta_socket
[08:12] <liable> femv: yeah thats normal, guess i dunno then
[08:12] <femv> liable: and a pcmcia 21380 2
[08:13] <IIIEars> i was wrestling with knoppix for awhile - always fearing malware would cause me to lose the time invested setting up/tweaking it. Ubuntu is painless. (er, okay i haven't set up IPTables. - lol)
[08:13] <liable> femv: when its doing the dhcp thing its for eth0?
[08:13] <graabein> nickrud, hmmm...
[08:13] <chris_d> IIIEars: firestarter will ease the IPTables pain, too.
[08:13] <femv> liable, any network interface
[08:13] <ssam> does anyone here use netapplet? should there be a /bin/netapplet executable?
[08:14] <femv> liable , take a look at http://pcmcia.arm.linux.org.uk/
[08:14] <IIIEars> Firestarter is installed? (crosses fingers) preconfigured?
[08:15] <ups> IIIEars: not pre-installed, but easy to install and setup
[08:15] <chris_d> IIIEars: apt-get install firestarter
[08:15] <chris_d> IIIEars: Not much more complex than that...
[08:15] <IIIEars> hm - even a n00b like me could do that much - lol
[08:16] <liable> femv: what does that have to do with your built in network cards?
[08:16] <Burgundavia> IIIEars, n00b is not really a term that is used around here a lot
[08:16] <liable> why do I get the feeling that its not pci but pcmcia
[08:16] <femv> liable: well i dont know why when i disable both cards.... it doesnt give the error...
[08:17] <chris_d> IIIEars: Oops. apt-get install firestarter won't work. Sorry.