[01:54] <bregma_> cnd: yes, that would be the simple and I believe correct solution (aclocal --install --force will overwrite with a fresh copy if it's available)
[08:49] <Satoris> With dandrader's Unity and newest Grail everything works except three finger spread.
[08:49] <Satoris> It's a bit laggy and the movement is overly sensitive.
[08:50] <Satoris> The first one is an issue of Unity and/or GL drivers.
[08:53] <Satoris> Four finger taps don't work in Unity 2D, but did they ever?
[11:28] <Satoris> Whoah, on my laptop three finger drag is crazy accelerated.
[11:28] <Satoris> Ahah, because it sums up the movements of all fingers.
[11:29] <Satoris> This may be related to why three finger spread does not work.
[14:15] <cnd> Satoris, bregma, dandrader: standups! (tvoss is unavailable)
[14:15] <dandrader> continuing the review of https://code.launchpad.net/~chasedouglas/utouch-grail/touch-states/+merge/99410
[14:15] <Satoris> Testing new Grail & stuff under various circumstances.
[14:15] <bregma> one bug left: working on #944822 (post-hoc device additions to subscriptions)
[14:15] <Satoris> Results in the backlog.
[14:15] <cnd> I'm going to be trying to find a bug in the current grail code :), and doing my own performance review
[14:16] <bregma> cnd has O(n^2) performance
[14:16] <cnd> Satoris, thanks for the testing
[14:16] <Satoris> Np. The spread thing is the biggest issue ATM.
[14:17] <cnd> Satoris, yeah, spread needs fixing
[14:17] <cnd> I can't get it to fire either
[14:17] <cnd> but it's obviously a good sign that grail doesn't have any bugs it seems
[14:18] <cnd> if we can't find a bug we'll have to make a decision on whether to include the touch states changes in precise
[14:18] <Satoris> Why are the gesture names missing in https://bugs.launchpad.net/utouch-geis/+bug/853958
[14:19] <cnd> Satoris, I've not looked at the code myself yet...
[14:19] <bregma> an attribute of "gesture name" makes no sense in GEISv2
[14:20] <bregma> GEISv1 chooses one at random, it still mkes no sense but stop people from complaining
[14:21] <bregma> if you need to find out of a gesture belongs to a specific class, you need to call geis_frame_is_class()
[14:22] <Satoris> There are still a couple of "failed to get previous touch value"s.
[14:23] <cnd> Satoris, yeah, I'm going to look at that today as well
[14:23] <cnd> it's a bug wholly in utouch-frame (or X)
[14:23] <cnd> utouch-frame-test-x11 shows the issue too
[14:23] <cnd> but only for my magic trackpad
[14:23] <cnd> it doesn't on behemoth's touchscreen
[14:24] <Satoris> Failed to get previous value makes perfect sense for a tap, though. It is instantaneous, after all.
[14:24] <Satoris> Though in practice it probably isn't.
[14:29] <Satoris> cnd: preferably Skype today, is that ok?
[14:29] <cnd> Satoris, sure
[14:29] <Satoris> Excellent, see you then.
[14:33] <bregma> cnd, are you going to implement that daily build fix for frame and grail or shall I (I probably have more bandwidth for it)
[14:34] <cnd> bregma, I planned on it, but if you have some spare moments feel free
[14:34] <cnd> I probably won't get to it for another couple hours
[14:34] <bregma> K
[15:01] <cnd> tvoss, good presentation :)
[15:01] <tvoss> cnd, thanks :) my fingers are bleeding :)
[15:01] <cnd> heh
[15:02] <tvoss> cnd, not literally :)
[15:02] <cnd> biab
[15:34] <cnd> tvoss, any ideas why jenkins tests are failing when the device is a trackpad?
[15:34] <cnd> tvoss, would it be possible to save the /tmp/Xorg.gtest.log file as part of the jenkins build output?
[15:34] <cnd> then we'd have a better idea why some tests may fail
[15:34] <tvoss> cnd, otp
[15:35] <cnd> ok
[15:38] <cnd> dandrader, is AtomicRecognizer::ProcessTouches instead of CollectNewTouches good for you?
[15:38] <tvoss> cnd, shouldn't be much of a problem, let me check
[15:39] <dandrader> cnd, yes
[15:40] <tvoss> cnd, quite interesting that all tests pass for amd64
[15:40] <cnd> tvoss, oh...
[15:40] <cnd> I've been running i386 tests
[15:40] <cnd> it would be really handy to get the log file
[15:40] <tvoss> yeah, grail is green for amd64
[15:41] <tvoss> cnd, checking for the logfile
[15:41] <cnd> it could just be a difference in which packages are installed?
[15:42] <tvoss> cnd, hmmm, no, both vm's are configured equal
[15:46] <tvoss> cnd, script altered, build triggered
[15:46] <cnd> great
[16:37] <cnd> bregma, I just reviewed your frame daily builder fix
[17:33] <cnd> bregma, tvoss, dandrader|lunch, so the touch accounting does not seem to fix any functional bugs
[17:33] <cnd> I think it may fix some unbounded memory growth, but we don't have good tests for checking that yet
[17:34] <cnd> it's a pretty big change, so I'd like some feedback on whether we should push it into precise at this stage
[17:34] <cnd> pros: more maintainable touch state accounting
[17:34] <cnd> may fix memory growth issues
[17:35] <bregma> it's definitely a big change, if it does not fix anything I would be hesitant for precise
[17:35] <cnd> cons: big change late in the cycle affecting larg area of code
[17:35] <cnd> we can always branch utouch-grail at this point and apply it to trunk
[17:36] <cnd> I also tend to think that we may be able to resolve unbounded memory growth with a few ERASE_TOUCH fixes in the current code
[17:36] <cnd> so if it is an issue the resolution may not be too difficult
[17:37] <bregma> it should definitely go in eventually, but let's hear what the other guys say about precise... no rush until beta freeze is off, right?
[17:37] <cnd> bregma, correct
[18:59]  * cnd finished his self-evaluation \o/
[19:05] <dandrader> It's a big change but on the other hand it's a rather simple one.
[19:07] <cnd> dandrader, you have an interesting definition of simple :)
[19:07] <cnd> I gather you mean conceptually it's simple
[19:07] <dandrader> simple meaning that it's mostly a refactoring mapping one-to-one the existing functionality
[19:08] <dandrader> no new features
[19:08] <cnd> yeah
[19:09] <cnd> I'm torn because it's not really a necessary bug fix, but I believe it makes the code easier to read, understand, and maintain
[19:09] <cnd> I don't really want to get a week or a month into the 12.04 release and realize that we really do need it
[19:10] <cnd> and we have many tests that ensure things are still working properly and no memory is being leaked
[19:12]  * cnd -> lunch, biab
[19:13] <cnd> dandrader, I just realized we have a meeting in 17 minutes
[19:13] <cnd> would you like to have it now?
[19:23] <dandrader> ah, that's true
[19:23] <dandrader> sure
[19:23] <dandrader> mumble?
[19:24] <dandrader> cnd, ^
[19:24] <cnd> dandrader, sounds good
[20:34] <cnd> dandrader, any luck with synaptics?
[20:34] <dandrader> it's up and running now
[20:35] <cnd> is unity working any better?
[20:35] <dandrader> gimme a few minutes
[20:35] <cnd> k
[20:39] <dandrader> forgot that  I have to get it from that ppa
[20:44] <cnd> dandrader, I know why the pinch to maximize/unmaximize is broken
[20:44] <cnd> there's a behavior change
[20:44] <cnd> I'll make a patch and test it out
[20:45] <dandrader> great. patch for utouch-grail?
[20:45] <cnd> bregma, if you have an opinion on commits for white space fixes, please reply soon
[20:45] <cnd> dandrader, no, unity
[20:45] <cnd> the behavior change is intended
[20:45] <cnd> the pinch radius used to be given in device units
[20:46] <cnd> but that's really not very useful
[20:46] <cnd> the device units vary greatly among devices, and resolutions reported by devices may be non-existent or incorrect
[20:46] <cnd> so now we report the pinch radius as a ratio of the current radius to the gesture start radius
[20:48] <dandrader> cnd, would be great to have it documented in geis.h :)
[20:48] <cnd> this behavior change is pretty big, but I think it's necessary
[20:48] <cnd> well, it's not a function of geis
[20:48] <cnd> it's a function of the backend
[20:48] <cnd> we could document it in the geis header, what is expected depending on the backend
[20:48] <dandrader> but does the geis client has any knowledge on the backend used?
[20:49] <cnd> I'm guessing it can query it
[20:49] <cnd> bregma?
[20:50] <dandrader> it's kinda odd the a geis client has to if{}else{} his code according to the backend used...
[20:50] <dandrader> s/the a/that a
[20:51] <cnd> yeah
[20:51] <cnd> it's not the best solution
[20:51] <cnd> we could make the geis layer report the attrs in device units again
[20:51] <cnd> but it would be a step backwards...
[20:52] <dandrader> couldn't it always be "as a ratio of the current radius to the gesture start radius"?
[20:52] <cnd> dandrader, what do you mean?
[20:53] <bregma> cnd, I already commented on the whitespace issue
[20:53] <dandrader> I mean having the geis layer always reporting the attributes in those more useful units
[20:53] <cnd> bregma, ok, just checking if there's anything more you wanted to add
[20:54] <cnd> dandrader, that's essentially what it does now
[20:54] <cnd> it only reports the ratio
[20:54] <cnd> in the past it reported device coordinate units
[20:55] <dandrader> and why can't we make that behavior backend-independent?
[20:55] <dandrader> so that we can document it and users rely on it
[20:55]  * dandrader is confused
[20:55] <bregma> we currently only have one real back end
[20:55] <cnd> dandrader, well, making it backend independent would mean making the old, obsolete, no longer available xcb backend use the ratio too
[20:55] <cnd> there's really no use for updating the xcb backend
[20:56] <bregma> (the dbus back end should be invisble)
[20:56] <bregma> if it's documented, though, any future back end will need to reproduce the behaviour somehow
[20:56] <bregma> (think: Windows, iOS)
[20:56] <cnd> dandrader, the xcb backend was only ever available in ubuntu, as far as distros go
[20:57] <cnd> so it's really really dead now
[20:57] <cnd> bregma, good point
[20:57] <dandrader> bregma, and isn't that a good thing? or could that be impossible?
[20:57] <cnd> I'm thinking one big task that must be completed first in the Q cycle is full API documentation, behavior documentation, and architecture documentation
[21:02] <cnd> dandrader, I think bregma is just saying that going forward we need to document it and stick to it
[21:02] <cnd> now that we really may attempt to work cross-platform, cross-distro, etc.
[21:03] <cnd> we picked the wrong units the first time and we learned, and now we need to standardize going forward
[21:14] <cnd> dandrader, if I give you a small patch to make pinch work, would you mind applying it to your tree again?
[21:14] <cnd> http://paste.ubuntu.com/902870/
[21:15] <dandrader> np
[21:15] <bregma> sorry, my wife just came home and told me about her day (priorities)... yes, I mean we need to document it and stick to it, we needed better documentation for M, let alone Q
[21:16] <dandrader> :)
[21:16] <cnd> heh
[21:17] <cnd> bregma, luckily, Maverick is out of support on april 10th
[21:18] <bregma> I guess I can close that outstanding geis bug then
[21:18] <dandrader> cnd, try that: 1- slide 3 fingers on the touchpad like crazy to that you start dragging a window 2- about ~ 1 sec later let a 4th finger on the trackpad
[21:18] <dandrader> s/to that/so that
[21:19] <dandrader> what I get is the dash showing up == a 4-touches tap gesture came up
[21:20] <cnd> dandrader, so I'm moving a window with 3 touches
[21:20] <cnd> and then I put a 4th down?
[21:20] <cnd> and continue moving?
[21:21] <dandrader> no. put a 4th down a lift it
[21:21] <dandrader> while the other 3 remain down
[21:21] <cnd> dandrader, so essentially do a tap with a 4th finger?
[21:22] <dandrader> cnd, yes! :)
[21:22] <cnd> ok, so it shows the dash when I do that
[21:22] <cnd> :)
[21:22] <dandrader> so we got ourselves a new bug!
[21:22] <cnd> which is expected behavior with how we have architected the stack
[21:23] <cnd> the question is: did we architect it wrong
[21:23] <cnd> or do we need to fix unity
[21:23] <cnd> or even: is it really a bug?
[21:24] <cnd> this is actually behavior that tracks way back while we were developing the very first version for maverick
[21:24] <cnd> it was behavior requested by sabdfl himself :)
[21:25] <cnd> not saying that means we shouldn't change it
[21:25] <cnd> implicitly leaving the subject of a sentence off doesn't work as well over irc...
[21:26] <cnd> I'm not saying that means we shouldn't change it
[21:26] <dandrader> I put 3 fingers down, move them around like crazy, then I tap with a fourth finger, while the first 3 stay put <= that can't be a 4-touches tap!
[21:26] <cnd> I designed the new utouch architecture to mimic the old architecture unless I thought it was obviously wrong, like the pinch units
[21:27] <cnd> I can't say that I can think of a reason we should make this act like a 4 touch tap
[21:27] <cnd> and when we switch to geis v2 and the regular recognizer it will be more obvious what is going on
[21:28] <cnd> though that will require matching up touch ids
[21:28] <cnd> which we could do here just as easily
[21:28] <cnd> dandrader, to sum up my thoughts: we should keep track of the touches of a gesture
[21:28] <cnd> if a tap includes touches of a previous gesture, we should not honor it
[21:29] <dandrader> one problem in my example is that 3 out of the 4 fingers that comprise that 4-touches tap have moved way beyond the movement threshold for a tap
[21:30] <cnd> dandrader, yes, but then you left them stationary during the "tap"
[21:30] <dandrader> and they also have been down for way too much time to configure a tap
[21:31] <cnd> the timeout is calculated from when the gesture starts
[21:31] <cnd> which is when the fourth touch goes down
[21:34] <dandrader> for a tap gesture, timeout should be from the start time of its oldest touch
[21:35] <cnd> dandrader should stop leaving :)
[21:37] <cnd> dandrader, you should stop leaving in the middle of a conversation :)
[21:38] <cnd> dandrader, the problem with your approach is that it doesn't allow the flexibility of someone who *does* feel that it should be a four touch tap to receive the gesture
[21:39] <cnd> I don't like the idea of taking away a potential use case for everyone when the alternative is to tell some people to just filter out gestures they don't want
[21:40] <dandrader> my x-chat lost its window decoration. had to restart it
[21:41] <cnd> that sounds like it hurts :)
[21:41] <dandrader> restarting compiz has its problems :)
[21:41] <cnd> heh
[21:41] <bregma> compiz bug, I believe
[21:41] <dandrader> the thing is: what's the definition of a tap/
[21:41] <dandrader> for me it's when you quickly lay down an lift a finger
[21:42] <dandrader> to a 4-touches tap would be when you quickly lay down and lift *4* fingers
[21:42] <dandrader> not just one
[21:43] <dandrader> s/to a 4/so a 4
[21:43] <cnd> yes, but that's not the only possible definition
[21:44] <cnd> a tap could be defined as when going to a specific number of touches and then leaving that number of touches within a specified interval
[21:44] <cnd> the initial and end states are undefined and can be anything
[21:46] <dandrader> In the use case I described earlier. I think if there would be a tap gesture there it would be a 1-touch tap (containing only the 4th finger).
[21:47] <dandrader> that would come and go while the 3-touches drag is still going on
[21:47] <dandrader> that in a non-atomic recognizer
[21:47] <cnd> then you've got multiple simultaneous gestures on a trackpad
[21:48] <cnd> though that would be one appropriate response for a touchscreen
[21:48] <cnd> dandrader, I guess my thinking is that this is a policy question
[21:48] <cnd> "what is the definition of a multi-touch tap"
[21:48] <cnd> and we can try to define the policy in the utouch stack
[21:48] <cnd> or we can give all the info to the client and ask them to enforce whatever policy they want
[21:51] <dandrader> I didn't really get what you meant by policy there, but that sounded like you want the client to do at least part of the work of gesture recognition...
[21:51] <cnd> yes and no
[21:51] <cnd> for me, a robust gesture system provides the client with gestures
[21:52] <dandrader> or should we have two kinds of tap gestures?
[21:52] <cnd> and the client decides which ones apply for the given context
[21:53] <dandrader> according to my definition of a tap. what should a client have to do to get it?
[21:53] <cnd> if they just listen to N-touch taps, then they don't have to do anything
[21:54] <cnd> if they are more complex, and listen to M-touch gestures and N-touch taps, where N > M
[21:54] <cnd> then they should check if the N-touch tap gesture is comprised only of touches who begin as part of the gesture
[21:55] <cnd> unfortunately, geis v1 doesn't expose all the grail slices of a gesture, so that approach won't work here
[21:55] <cnd> but we can find a work around as a stop-gap measure
[21:56] <bregma> GEISv1 exposed all the touches of each gesture
[21:56] <cnd> bregma, yes, but not all the "slices"
[21:56] <cnd> to give an example
[21:56] <cnd> you have a two touch tap
[21:56] <dandrader> hmm... If the geisv2 version of Unity doens't have this issue then here's our ticket to get the geisv2 refactoring on board :D
[21:56] <cnd> in geis v1 and geis v2 without tentative events, you will receive only one geis event
[21:57] <cnd> dandrader, heh, we can more easily work around the issue in geis v1 than by moving to geis v2
[21:57] <cnd> dandrader, I'm inclined in general to write this one specific bug off as won't fix, anyways :)
[21:57] <cnd> i.e. unsupported
[21:58] <cnd> if the work to make it function 100% correctly would be large
[22:05] <cnd> bregma, dandrader: if you're still around, I'm leaning toward merging the touch accounting branch
[22:05] <cnd> I think dandrader is in agreement
[22:06] <cnd> bregma, do you have a strong objection?
[22:06] <cnd> I'm still open to change my thoughts if you feel strongly
[22:29] <bregma> the more I think about it, the more strongly I feel that now would be the best time to merge it
[22:30] <cnd> interesting :)
[22:32] <bregma> I think it's a slightly better architecture and if we have to maintain the code over the lifetime of the LTS release, it should go in now
[22:33] <bregma> my only reservation is that it is not a trivial change and does not fix any bugs, so technically it does not quality for going in to precise at this point in the release cycle
[22:34] <cnd> agred
[22:34] <cnd> agreed*
[22:34] <cnd> I think the pros outweigh the cons
[22:37] <dandrader> me too
[22:41] <dandrader> there's a very well defined period of silence in grail right after I start a 3 or 4 touches gesture. but that doesn't happen with 2 touches. any ideas? (I would like to blame synaptics, as usual)
[22:41] <cnd> dandrader, you normally won't receive two touch gestures...
[22:41] <bregma> I have no problem bending the release rules a little if you're confident the change does no harm and dandrader is favourably inclined
[22:41] <dandrader> cnd, that's what output looks like http://paste.ubuntu.com/902989/
[22:43] <cnd> dandrader, what gesture were you performing?
[22:44] <dandrader> cnd, any 3 or 4 fingers movement
[22:44] <cnd> dandrader, if you cross the drag threshold before the 300 ms timeout, it should immediately start sending events
[22:44] <dandrader> and for the two touch gestures, I just followed your instructions on how to remove interference from x stuff via synclient and xinput set-prop
[22:44] <cnd> if you just lay your fingers there for 300 ms, it will wait
[22:45] <cnd> ahh, ok
[22:45] <cnd> I don't know what the difference would be
[22:47] <dandrader> that silence period is what causes the jumps in my gestures
[22:47] <cnd> hmm
[22:47] <dandrader> like the launcher jumping to its final position on a 4-touches drad
[22:47] <dandrader> drag
[22:47] <cnd> I don't get it here
[22:49] <cnd> dandrader, you're running synaptics now?
[22:49] <dandrader> yes
[22:49] <cnd> cool
[22:49] <cnd> dandrader, so when the gesture crosses the threshold for the subscription, it should flush the slices
[22:49] <cnd> so that's where I would start debugging
[22:49] <cnd> to see why slices aren't being flushed
[22:50] <cnd> dandrader, I have a hard time believing you should still be working today, though :)
[22:50] <bregma> addict
[22:51] <dandrader> I had a looong lunch break today. had to go to the bank, fetch my repaired bike from the shop, etc
[22:51]  * cnd fears we are all pots calling the kettle black :)
[22:52] <cnd> dandrader, I wouldn't worry too much if it's a one-time issue, btw
[22:52] <cnd> if you average 40 hrs a week, with a couple hours of variation, you're fine :)
[22:54] <bregma> besides, you need to put in the after-hours work on all your hobby projects
[22:55] <cnd> heh


[01:48] <jderose> infinity: fyi, oem-config-gtk is installed after doing an oem install from today's daily ISO... so seems fixed, thanks!
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[07:19] <pitti> infinity: not yet; I pinged wgrant about the missing export, but I figure need to re-ping
[07:19] <pitti> cjwatson, wgrant: can you please do a manual yakkety run for https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/yakkety/+language-packs ? We didn't get any export on Friday
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[13:29] <santa_> hi
[13:30] <santa_> thank you for hinting akonadi
[13:30] <santa_> about the tag model test failure I have the impression that upstream developers are having issues with it too: https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=akonadi.git&a=commit&h=59c7ae85e87ffd65ef04705c8213369649f30d0e
[13:31] <santa_> after searching a bit in the akonadi git repo I didn't find anything looking like a fix
[13:31] <santa_> so thank you again for hinting it
[13:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub (yakkety-proposed/main) [0.97-29ubuntu68 => 0.97-29ubuntu69] (core)
[15:33] <jbicha> as long as the final language pack for yakkety hasn't started, could I get bug 1631754 sponsored and shepherded through the queues?
[15:50] <jbicha> on second thought, do translations have to be manually approved by the translation teams before they get into language packs?
[16:11] <tsimonq2> chrisccoulson: what's going on with Firefox?
[16:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: jfsutils (yakkety-proposed/main) [1.1.15-2.1 => 1.1.15-2.2] (core) (sync)
[16:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libgd-perl (yakkety-proposed/main) [2.53-2.1 => 2.53-3] (ubuntu-desktop) (sync)
[16:11] <tsimonq2> chrisccoulson: it seems like it's been FTBFS for a while now
[16:13] <tsimonq2> chrisccoulson: it would be really nice if the issues could be solved so that Yakkety can ship with 49 :)
[16:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: openjade (yakkety-proposed/main) [1.4devel1-21.1 => 1.4devel1-21.3] (ubuntu-desktop) (sync)
[16:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: pycairo (yakkety-proposed/main) [1.8.8-2 => 1.8.8-2.1] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop) (sync)
[16:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: 4g8 (yakkety-proposed/universe) [1.0-3 => 1.0-3.1] (no packageset) (sync)
[16:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted 4g8 [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [1.0-3.1]
[16:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: alsamixergui (yakkety-proposed/universe) [0.9.0rc2-1-9.1 => 0.9.0rc2-1-9.2] (lubuntu) (sync)
[16:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ams (yakkety-proposed/universe) [2.1.1-1build1 => 2.1.1-1.1] (no packageset) (sync)
[16:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ams [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [2.1.1-1.1]
[16:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: anon-proxy (yakkety-proposed/universe) [00.05.38+20081230-3 => 00.05.38+20081230-4] (no packageset) (sync)
[16:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted anon-proxy [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [00.05.38+20081230-4]
[16:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: auto-apt-proxy (yakkety-proposed/universe) [1 => 2] (no packageset) (sync)
[16:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted auto-apt-proxy [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [2]
[16:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: calf (yakkety-proposed/universe) [0.0.60-3 => 0.0.60-4] (ubuntustudio) (sync)
[16:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: check-postgres (yakkety-proposed/universe) [2.22.0-1 => 2.22.0-2] (no packageset) (sync)
[16:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted check-postgres [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [2.22.0-2]
[16:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: criticalmass (yakkety-proposed/universe) [1:1.0.0-4build1 => 1:1.0.0-5] (no packageset) (sync)
[16:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted criticalmass [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [1:1.0.0-5]
[16:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: csound (yakkety-proposed/universe) [1:6.07.0~dfsg-3 => 1:6.07.0~dfsg-4] (ubuntustudio) (sync)
[16:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: crrcsim (yakkety-proposed/universe) [0.9.12-6.1build3 => 0.9.12-6.2] (no packageset) (sync)
[16:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: csmash-demosong (yakkety-proposed/universe) [1.4 => 1.4+nmu1] (no packageset) (sync)
[16:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted crrcsim [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [0.9.12-6.2]
[16:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted csmash-demosong [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [1.4+nmu1]
[16:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: dh-kpatches (yakkety-proposed/universe) [0.99.36+nmu2 => 0.99.36+nmu3] (no packageset) (sync)
[16:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted dh-kpatches [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [0.99.36+nmu3]
[17:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: exult (yakkety-proposed/multiverse) [1.2-16.1build1 => 1.2-16.2] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted exult [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [1.2-16.2]
[17:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: arb (yakkety-proposed/multiverse) [6.0.3-1 => 6.0.3-2] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted arb [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [6.0.3-2]
[17:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: chasen (yakkety-proposed/universe) [2.4.5-25 => 2.4.5-29] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: fcml (yakkety-proposed/universe) [1.1.1-1 => 1.1.1-2] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted chasen [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [2.4.5-29]
[17:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: freetable (yakkety-proposed/universe) [2.3-4.1 => 2.3-4.2] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected fcml [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [1.1.1-2]
[17:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gearhead (yakkety-proposed/universe) [1.302-1 => 1.302-2] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted freetable [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [2.3-4.2]
[17:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gearhead [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [1.302-2]
[17:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: git-remote-hg (yakkety-proposed/universe) [0.3-1 => 0.3-2] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted git-remote-hg [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [0.3-2]
[17:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnudoq (yakkety-proposed/universe) [0.94-2.1 => 0.94-2.2] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnudoq [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [0.94-2.2]
[17:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gtkglextmm (yakkety-proposed/universe) [1.2.0-7 => 1.2.0-8] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gtkglextmm [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [1.2.0-8]
[17:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: highlight.js (yakkety-proposed/universe) [8.2+ds-4build1 => 8.2+ds-5] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ivtools (yakkety-proposed/universe) [1.2.11a1-7 => 1.2.11a1-8] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted highlight.js [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [8.2+ds-5]
[17:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: jalv (yakkety-proposed/universe) [1.4.6~dfsg0-1build2 => 1.4.6~dfsg0-2] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ivtools [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [1.2.11a1-8]
[17:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted jalv [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [1.4.6~dfsg0-2]
[17:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: jreen (yakkety-proposed/universe) [1.2.0-1fakesync1 => 1.2.0-2fakesync1] (no packageset)
[17:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: kyotocabinet (yakkety-proposed/universe) [1.2.76-4.1 => 1.2.76-4.2] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted jreen [source] (yakkety-proposed) [1.2.0-2fakesync1]
[17:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted kyotocabinet [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [1.2.76-4.2]
[17:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: lakai (yakkety-proposed/universe) [0.1-1 => 0.1-1.1] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted lakai [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [0.1-1.1]
[17:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libdbix-class-perl (yakkety-proposed/universe) [0.082840-1 => 0.082840-2] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libdbix-class-perl [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [0.082840-2]
[17:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gri (yakkety-proposed/universe) [2.12.23-9ubuntu1 => 2.12.23-10] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gri [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [2.12.23-10]
[17:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libxml-dumper-perl (yakkety-proposed/universe) [0.81-1.1 => 0.81-1.2] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libxml-dumper-perl [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [0.81-1.2]
[17:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: lpr (yakkety-proposed/universe) [1:2<IP_ADDRESS> => 1:2<IP_ADDRESS>] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted lpr [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [1:2<IP_ADDRESS>]
[17:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mmc-utils (yakkety-proposed/universe) [0~gita3d3331-1 => 0~gita3d3331-3] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mssh (yakkety-proposed/universe) [2.2-1 => 2.2-1.1] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mssstest (yakkety-proposed/multiverse) [3.0-4 => 3.0-5] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mmc-utils [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [0~gita3d3331-3]
[17:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: myspell (yakkety-proposed/universe) [1:3.0+pre3.1-24.1 => 1:3.0+pre3.1-24.2] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mssh [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [2.2-1.1]
[17:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: netkit-rsh (yakkety-proposed/universe) [0.17-15 => 0.17-16] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nvidia-texture-tools (yakkety-proposed/universe) [2.0.8-1+dfsg-8build1 => 2.0.8-1+dfsg-8.1] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted myspell [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [1:3.0+pre3.1-24.2]
[17:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nvidia-texture-tools [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [2.0.8-1+dfsg-8.1]
[17:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted netkit-rsh [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [0.17-16]
[17:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mssstest [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [3.0-5]
[17:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: osdsh (yakkety-proposed/universe) [0.7.0-10.1 => 0.7.0-10.2] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted osdsh [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [0.7.0-10.2]
[17:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: pike7.8 (yakkety-proposed/universe) [7.8.866-5build1 => 7.8.866-6] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted pike7.8 [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [7.8.866-6]
[17:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: purple-plugin-pack (yakkety-proposed/universe) [2.7.0-2 => 2.7.0-3] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted purple-plugin-pack [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [2.7.0-3]
[17:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rumor (yakkety-proposed/universe) [1.0.5-2 => 1.0.5-2.1] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: safecat (yakkety-proposed/universe) [1.13-2 => 1.13-3] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: scalapack (yakkety-proposed/universe) [1.8.0-12.3 => 1.8.0-13] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted rumor [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [1.0.5-2.1]
[17:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted scalapack [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [1.8.0-13]
[17:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted safecat [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [1.13-3]
[17:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: sndobj (yakkety-proposed/universe) [<IP_ADDRESS>-5 => <IP_ADDRESS>-5.1] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: solarwolf (yakkety-proposed/universe) [1.5-2.1 => 1.5-2.2] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted solarwolf [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [1.5-2.2]
[17:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: sooperlooper (yakkety-proposed/universe) [1.7.3~dfsg0-2build1 => 1.7.3~dfsg0-2.1] (ubuntustudio) (sync)
[17:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted sndobj [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-5.1]
[17:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: tcplay (yakkety-proposed/universe) [1.1-2 => 1.1-3] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted tcplay [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [1.1-3]
[17:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: trackballs (yakkety-proposed/universe) [1.1.4-4.2 => 1.1.4-4.3] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted trackballs [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [1.1.4-4.3]
[17:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: weathermap4rrd (yakkety-proposed/universe) [1.1.999+1.2rc3-2 => 1.1.999+1.2rc3-3] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted weathermap4rrd [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [1.1.999+1.2rc3-3]
[17:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: xcffib (yakkety-proposed/universe) [0.4.2-1build3 => 0.4.2-2] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted xcffib [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [0.4.2-2]
[17:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: xfce4-radio-plugin (yakkety-proposed/universe) [0.5.1-3build1 => 0.5.1-4] (xubuntu) (sync)
[18:18] <stokachu> slangasek: back on the grid
[18:37] <clivejo> Hi, release team, kjots and zanshin look like they need a no change rebuild. kjots isnt in the kubuntu packagelist so if I upload that it would result in auto-reject. Can someone from the release team trigger those for us?
[18:40] <santa_> slangasek: ↑ and I think with that we would be done to get the remaining kde packages out of -proposed
[18:42] <acheronuk> they need a rebuild to pickup the debianabimanagered library packages I think
[18:42] <santa_> yes
[18:43]  * clivejo nods
[18:46]  * acheronuk looks at the generated deps in zanshin pbuilder rebuild, and nods harder
[19:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: senlin (yakkety-proposed/universe) [2.0.0~rc1-1 => 2.0.0-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[19:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted senlin [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [2.0.0-1]
[20:34] <tsimonq2> Hello release team.
[20:34] <tsimonq2> It seems that Lubuntu's seed has changed since the last upload of lubuntu-meta.
[20:35] <tsimonq2> Could that please be refreshed and uploaded when somebody has a minute?
[21:42] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: I tried and it's telling me "No changes found"
[21:42] <tsimonq2> cjwatson: ok, thanks anyways
[21:44] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: Looks like nobody's actually caused lubuntu-qt-core to exist as a metapackage yet, and that's where the changes are
[21:44] <tsimonq2> cjwatson: I see, alright
[21:44] <cjwatson> well, that and lubuntu-gtk-core
[21:45] <cjwatson> so perhaps that needs some work?  metapackage restructuring seems like not a four-days-before-release thing though, unless something is clearly broken as a result
[21:45] <tsimonq2> well yes, I'll talk to someone
[21:45] <tsimonq2> I was just wondering
[21:46] <tsimonq2> not release-critical
[21:46] <cjwatson> ok, cool


[06:45] <fo0bar> yes, this seems an appropriate channel :)
[06:46] <fo0bar> a few hours ago, I got a series of Reject emails regarding binary .changes on builds done days ago, saying the PPA was disabled (it wasn't)
[06:47] <fo0bar> e.g.: Subject: [~invalid/ubuntu/ppa] xserver-xorg-video-fbturbo_0~git.20151007.f9a6ed7.1-0~nightly_armhf.changes (Rejected)
[06:48] <fo0bar> TBC, I uploaded a source.changes, it went through the buildds, and the binary packages have been published for a few days now
[06:48] <fo0bar> so these emails seem spurious
[06:55] <wgrant> fo0bar: What may have happened is that someone copied the source package into their PPA, then deleted it, hmm. Can you pastebin more of the email?
[06:57] <fo0bar> wgrant: sure: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/XRzqc6QMZp/
[06:57] <fo0bar> 10 emails along those lines within the course of about 3 minutes, all for the same PPA
[06:58] <fo0bar> (though admittedly, that's the only PPA I've uploaded to recently)
[06:59] <wgrant> fo0bar: You don't have a PPA named "rpi-nightly", so I think someone indeed copied it to their own PPA, deleted the PPA before the builds finished, and then LP got confused when it tried to process the uploads for the builds with no PPA, and emailed the uploader.
[07:00] <fo0bar> wgrant: it's https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-raspi2/+archive/ubuntu/ppa-nightly actually (of which I'm the only member)
[07:00] <wgrant> Oh
[07:00] <wgrant> Still not quite the right name.
[07:00] <wgrant> And the PPA in question didn't exist a week ago
[07:01] <fo0bar> ppa-nightly?  it's existed since ~2016
[07:01] <wgrant> No, rpi-nightly.
[07:01] <fo0bar> oh!  ah, didn't notice the difference
[07:03] <fo0bar> so yeah, someone copying from this PPA seems plausible
[07:06] <fo0bar> I should also point out that it's possible this has happened many times before, as I basically never checked launchpad emails because having the duck meant an ocean of LP notification emails, and most got archived and tarred up :)
[07:06] <wgrant> Heh
[07:06] <wgrant> Indeed
[07:07] <fo0bar> anyway, ta
[14:21] <ricotz> hi, looks like PPA packages don't get published, is buildd-manager stuck?
[14:24] <cjwatson> ricotz: No
[14:24] <cjwatson> And that's a bit of a conceptual leap anyway.  Can you provide links to the actual problem?
[14:25] <cjwatson> Hm, last substantive log line in cron.ppa.log is 12:13:46
[14:25] <cjwatson> Nothing to do with buildd-manager
[14:26] <cjwatson> I've requested a kill
[14:29] <cjwatson> ricotz: Will hopefully recover soon.  I'll keep an eye on it
[14:30] <ricotz> cjwatson, see https://launchpad.net/~vala-team/+archive/ubuntu/daily/+packages
[14:31] <ricotz> thanks
[14:31] <ricotz> cjwatson, could you take a look at this https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/689262
[14:32] <cjwatson> SpecialK|Canon: ^- please distribute
[14:32] <cjwatson> note the help contact in the topic
[14:33] <ricotz> ah I see, thanks
[14:34] <SpecialK|Canon> cjwatson: sorry, distribute what?
[14:34] <cjwatson> SpecialK|Canon: ricotz's request
[14:35] <cjwatson> 689262
[14:35] <cjwatson> I'm assuming you don't want me just doing all these :)
[14:35] <SpecialK|Canon> I don't, no, I just saw the ping, I'm just not clear what you mean by "distribute" there
[14:35] <cjwatson> Oh, I mean, either do it or pick somebody to do it :)
[14:35] <SpecialK|Canon> Right, yep
[14:36] <cjwatson> Sorry, doing several things at once so got a bit telegraphic
[14:36] <SpecialK|Canon> Np, likewise!
[14:38] <SpecialK|Canon> ricotz: on it
[14:39] <cjwatson> Ah, joke's on me, apparently needs my permissions
[14:39] <cjwatson> Principle stands though :)
[14:40] <cjwatson> done
[14:40] <SpecialK|Canon> Indeed
[14:40] <SpecialK|Canon> I monitor this channel periodically, but I don't hilight on all messages
[14:43] <ricotz> SpecialK|Canon, thanks
[15:08] <SpecialK|Canon> ricotz: looks like cjwatson has handled that for you, cheers


[02:42] <xubuntu569> My dvd drive that used to burn dvd-r's just fine will no longer recognize a blank dvd-r. Can anyone help me? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
[02:58] <w30> xubuntu569, you are going to have fun unless you can figure out what changed.
[02:59] <w30> xubuntu569, does the dvd drive work ok for reading data dvd's and for playing videos and songs.
[03:00] <xubuntu569> I'm sure I will. I've already spent alot of time on the googles but no luck so far. Yes the drive does work for reading DVD's.
[03:00] <w30> you have only one cd/dvd drive?
[03:01] <xubuntu569> This is correct. Only 1 dvd/cd drive.
[03:02] <nagev> forgive me for asking obvious, have you tried a different blank disk?
[03:02] <w30> xubuntu569, does it work with a live xubuntu cd boot?
[03:05] <xubuntu569> nagev, I have tried a different blank disk of the same type. w30, I have used a live cd before, not recently though.
[03:06] <w30> Does anyone know if xubuntu live cd can run entirely in memory so the cd drive is freed up for usage?
[03:07] <w30> I don't remember if that is an option?
[03:07] <Unit193> w30: When booting off the live CD, there will be a little icon at the bottom, hit left shift.  At the next menu, hit F6 then Esc, and type toram
[03:07] <Unit193> (Type toram into the input box at the bottom, that is.)
[03:09] <w30> xubuntu569, try what Unit193 says and see if the dvd drive recognizes a blank dvd with a live xubuntu boot.
[03:10] <xubuntu569> Ok. If it does work what does that mean? Should I do a reinstall then?
[03:11] <crytown> For the past month my update manager has been frozen. It says i have 7 new updates but they won't install and theres no description or filesize for them. My update manager icon is red. Is there a way to repair this?
[03:12] <w30> xubuntu569, maybe you can boot an old kernel if you have any and see if you are a victim of a kernel change.
[03:12] <crytown> i have no idea how to do that i hope thats not the issue. only thing i remember chnaging was updating xfce so i can have dual monitor support
[03:13] <crytown> and that wasnt a stable release but has been working
[03:15] <xubuntu569> crytown, I think that was meant for me. w30 so if an older kernel works I would just have to run an older kernel then huh?
[03:15] <w30> xubuntu569, not necessarily if it works check your device names, drivers, maybe?
[03:15] <Unit193> crytown: Could always update via terminal,  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgradae
[03:15] <Unit193> (But spell that last part right.)
[03:17] <w30> xubuntu569, at least it would eliminate a hardware issue
[03:19] <xubuntu569> w30, ok. I will try that. Thanks for your help.
[03:20] <w30> xubuntu569, you need the right permissions to use the cd/dvd. Those shouldn't change on their own though.
[03:21] <w30> xubuntu569, you could always run your burner app as gksu sfburn or whatever.
[03:21] <xubuntu569> w30, yeah that's one of the things I found on google. It still doesn't work with sudo or gksudo though.
[03:22] <w30> xubuntu569, hmmmmnn...
[03:28] <xubuntu569> w30, Well I will try the live-cd and kernel things you mentioned. I appreciate your help. Thanks.
[03:29] <crytown> sorry i forgot i had this open i think i tried it through terminal with no luck will try again and report back. thanks
[03:32] <crytown> working so far
[10:59] <lnostdal> hi,      "xubuntu-desktop : Depends: software-center but it is not going to be installed" ...   guys; no; the xubuntu desktop does not "depend on" software-center .. ..
[11:00] <knome> lnostdal, yes it does.
[11:00] <lnostdal> why always depend depend ..   just recommend ..      recommended dependencies are installed by default
[11:00] <lnostdal> no it doesn't
[11:00] <knome> that's not how the seeds are built
[11:00] <knome> lnostdal, xubuntu-desktop is a metapackage; feel free to remove it
[11:01] <lnostdal> the what? ..     no; meta-packages are useful – but less so when they are not flexible
[11:01] <lnostdal> anyway ..   i've said what i wanted to say ..  EOD .... tooodles
[11:48] <xubuntu149> Hi to everybody
[11:48] <knome> hello.
[11:48] <xubuntu149> Can anybody help me how to add russian layout in xubuntu
[11:50] <xubuntu149> I need 2 keyboard languages rus and eng
[11:50] <xubuntu149> I can't find how to add
[11:51] <lderan> you might be after xfce4-xkb-plugin
[11:51] <lderan> if its not installed already, then you can install it with 'sudo apt-get install xfce4-xkb-plugin'
[11:52] <xubuntu149> installed latest ver
[11:53] <xubuntu149> maybe this will help I made migration from Ubuntu to Xubuntu
[11:54] <xubuntu149> Ubuntu I removed
[11:54] <xubuntu149> by terminal command
[11:55] <xubuntu149> in Ubuntu was no problem to add russian layout but in Xubuntu I can't find where I can do this
[11:56] <lderan> think it adds a little flag symbol to the panel, you might have to add it manually. Sorry I can't be of much help at the moment
[11:57] <lderan> do you know how to add stuff to the panels?
[12:01] <xubuntu149> This little flag I have at logon screen there I can see 2 input languages but when I login in to my desktop there is no this one
[12:02] <xubuntu149> I found Thnx
[12:02] <xubuntu149> I added
[12:03] <xubuntu149> now need only setup hotkeys to change language now is only changing by clicking of mouse on it
[12:07] <xubuntu149> After windows it's little bit difficult to understand everythig in xubuntu :)
[12:11] <xubuntu149> solved
[12:12] <xubuntu149>  <lderan> Thnx
[12:12] <lderan> woo \o/
[15:08] <Sakrecoer> Hi! I have set up a netboot using bootp and tftpd-hda. I cannot get the target machine out on internet yet, hence i have set up an apache that serves a mounted version of xubuntu-12.04.3-alternate-i386.iso ... Once the target has identified the custom mirror, i get a message telling me there is a missmatch between the version of the netboot and the cdimage.... any one knows what version i need? My machine supportes PAE
[15:09] <Sakrecoer> the missmatch, allows me to install the system, but without a function kernel...
[15:10] <Sakrecoer> sorry *without a functioning kernel*
[15:12] <Sakrecoer> no matter howmui can't find a 12.04.2 version... nor 12.04
[15:12] <Sakrecoer> *how much
[15:13] <Sakrecoer> * i search
[15:13] <Sakrecoer> hehe.... man.. i type iznogood today...
[15:15] <GridCube> Sakrecoer, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/
[15:16] <Sakrecoer> i have actualy tried with a 12.04.2 i still had.. it gave me the same error...
[15:16] <GridCube> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/xubuntu/releases/
[15:17] <Sakrecoer> hmm.... is it sort of mandatory to use the mini.iso for netbooting with xubuntu 12.04?
[15:17] <GridCube> pretty much yes
[15:19] <Hund> I missed Xubuntu <3 http://fav.me/d6kvja4
[15:19] <Sakrecoer> hehe.... bad moment to ask a question :)
[15:21] <Sakrecoer> yeah.. all those links lead to 12.04.3 ..
[15:21] <Sakrecoer> thanks!
[15:21] <Sakrecoer> :)
[15:21] <Sakrecoer> maybe oh there!! old-release
[15:22] <Sakrecoer> so... having tried with 12.04.3 and 12.04.2, i'm guessing it should be 12.04, unless the issue is something else... :)
[15:22] <Sakrecoer> i'll let you know how it went!
[15:22] <GridCube> Hund, :D submit it to xubuntu-showcase.deviantart.com :D
[15:23] <GridCube> if you change your image licence to CC and you have a wallpaper under CC we can showcase it on the xubuntu.org website, Hund :D
[15:36] <xJamie> hey guys.
[15:36] <xJamie> Is lxnm worth using or should I use a different one?
[16:29] <Sakrecoer> GridCube: earlier you said: "pretty much yes"... but i didn't get if it was "yes, the mini.iso is mandatory for netboot" or "yes its a bad moment to ask questions" :D
[16:29] <Sakrecoer> the folder structure is so confusing for the netboot packages...
[16:30] <Sakrecoer> i've tried all xubuntu 12.04.x iso... all of them missmatch the netboot's kernel expectations...
[16:32] <Sakrecoer> oh...
[16:32] <Sakrecoer> well...
[16:32] <GridCube> Sakrecoer, i meant that i dont know how else you could install from a netboot except from an alternate iso, and as xubuntu doesnt have any alternate iso anymore
[16:33] <Sakrecoer> i picked wrong arichtecture last one...
[16:33] <GridCube> Sakrecoer, you can't get the iso to the machine? boot from usb?
[16:33] <Sakrecoer> i give it another try...
[17:10] <Sakrecoer> slowly losing hope...
[17:10] <Sakrecoer> now i have tried all versions 12.04.x and none match the netboot... :(
[17:11] <Sysi> try the original one, before point releases?
[17:11] <Sakrecoer> i've used this howto: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LocalNet and everything, except the kernel version missmatch is working... i just don't get it...
[17:14] <Sakrecoer> i've been looking into using the mini.iso .. but the howto is really obscure...
[17:15] <Sakrecoer> na well.... judging the silence here today i guess it was ment for me to travel alone on this steep road to computerjoy! :D
[17:16] <elfy> Sakrecoer: try this for the mini iso http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/minimal
[17:19] <phantomfav> hi guys, i have a little problem with nautilus, can someone help me?
[17:20] <elfy> you can ask - but many of us will be using thunar as this is xubuntu channel
[17:20] <phantomfav> yes, but i really hate thunar and xfdisplay
[17:21] <phantomfav> so i have decided to install nautilus
[17:21] <phantomfav> the file manager works great
[17:21] <elfy> !aask
[17:21] <elfy> !aask
[17:21] <elfy> !ask
[17:21] <elfy> lol
[17:22] <phantomfav> the desktop manager (lanuched with "nautilus -n") doesn't start
[17:22] <phantomfav> any idea?
[17:23] <phantomfav> i have killed all the process bind to xfdisplay
[17:24] <phantomfav> so now no process manage the desktop
[17:24] <phantomfav> but if i do "nautilus -n" it doesn't start
[17:25] <Sysi> with xfdisplay, do you mean xfdesktop?
[17:25] <phantomfav> yes, i mistake the name
[17:25] <Sysi> you need to remove it from session with session settings, killing it makes it respawn
[17:25] <phantomfav> yes i already do that
[17:26] <phantomfav> i remove it from the session
[17:26] <phantomfav> and saved the actual session
[17:27] <phantomfav> now in my session there are: xfwm4, xfce4-panel, xfsettingsd, xfce4-terminal
[17:27] <phantomfav> but not xfdesktop nor nautilus
[17:33] <phantomfav> This is my question: i have installed nautilus in xubuntu, the file manager works great, but the desktop manager doesn't starts ("nautilus -n") even if i have closed the process xfdesktop in the session, anyone know how to force start nautilus for the desktop?
[17:49] <brainwash> phantomfav: does "nautilus -n" terminate immediately when executed in a terminal window?
[17:50] <brainwash> and does a right-click on the desktop pop up any menu?
[17:51] <yeyeman> Is there a way to fix the tearing?
[17:51] <phantomfav> nautilus terminate after few second
[17:51] <phantomfav> and right click doesn't show up anything
[17:51] <yeyeman> while watching video there's tearing in the middle of the screen
[17:54] <brainwash> yeyeman: use a window manager with opengl compositing or a separate compositor (like compton), maybe it's even possible to activate some sort of "tear free" (gpu driver specific)
[17:55] <brainwash> phantomfav: looks like some issue with nautilus, so this isn't the right channel I guess, try asking in #ubuntu
[17:56] <phantomfav> ok, thanks
[17:57] <brainwash> yeyeman: some sort of "tear free" mode I mean, something the intel driver offers for example
[18:14] <Sysi> disabling compositing from window manager tweaks works
[18:16] <pmjdebruijn> btqw
[18:16] <pmjdebruijn> btw
[18:16] <pmjdebruijn> I have a newer Intel driver backported here https://launchpad.net/~pmjdebruijn/+archive/xserver-xorg-video-intel-testing
[18:16] <pmjdebruijn> use at own risk though
[18:16] <pitlaloose> hi
[18:17] <pmjdebruijn> lo
[18:19] <pitlaloose> i'm looking for some help :) because i'm getting stuck while installing.
[18:19] <pitlaloose> Can someone help me please ?
[18:19] <Sakrecoer> anybody has experience in installing xubuntu alternate with netboot?
[18:20] <pmjdebruijn> please describe your problem with some details, if somebody knows, they'll respond... keep in mind not body keeps an eye on the channel at all times, so please be patient
[18:20] <Sakrecoer> pitaloose: perhaps i can. what is going on?
[18:20] <pmjdebruijn> Sakrecoer: for netboo you're probably stuck with the ubuntu server install, and apting xubuntu-desktop afterwards
[18:21] <Sakrecoer> pmjdebruijn: server up and running...
[18:21] <pmjdebruijn> I meant on the client
[18:21] <Sakrecoer> i have issue with a missmatch between kernel of xubuntu12.04.x.iso and kernel of netboot
[18:21] <pmjdebruijn> since netinstall depends on the debian-installer which last I checked was only available on the server install
[18:21] <Sakrecoer> aaaah
[18:21] <Sakrecoer> now i see what you meen...
[18:21] <pmjdebruijn> emphasis on last time I checked
[18:22] <pmjdebruijn> 12.04.2 has the quantal 3.5 kernel backported and 12.04.3 has the raring 3.8 kernel backported
[18:22] <Sakrecoer> it sure dose boot after install, but like you say in server mode...
[18:22] <pmjdebruijn> <IP_ADDRESS> was the last to _SHIP_ with the original 3.2 series
[18:22] <pmjdebruijn> IIRC
[18:23] <pmjdebruijn> Sakrecoer: that's totally expected
[18:23] <Sakrecoer> so..... are you suggesting that the kernel is there, but i only miss the dektop?
[18:23] <pmjdebruijn> huh?
[18:23] <pmjdebruijn> no?
[18:23] <pmjdebruijn> there is no real difference between server and client on linux
[18:23] <yeyeman> hmm!!
[18:24] <pmjdebruijn> it's just having X11 or not
[18:24] <pmjdebruijn> so it's just a package selection thing essentially
[18:24] <pmjdebruijn> http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/xubuntu-desktop
[18:24] <pmjdebruijn> any particular reason why you want to netinstall a desktop in the first place?
[18:26] <pmjdebruijn> pitlaloose: if you don't describe your problem there really isn't any way we can help you
[18:26] <pmjdebruijn> we're not psychic
[18:26] <pitlaloose> thank you. i'm installing from an iso on my hard drive(/dev/sda3), got the desktop after using grub cli, running well. I launch the installer, go through it
[18:26] <pmjdebruijn> :)
[18:26] <pmjdebruijn> wait
[18:26] <pitlaloose> lol, i' slow sorry
[18:26] <pmjdebruijn> "an iso on your harddrive"?
[18:27] <pmjdebruijn> please describe that in a bite more detail
[18:27] <pmjdebruijn> what did you do exactly
[18:27] <pitlaloose> yep i can't use disk on this machine
[18:28] <pmjdebruijn> you installed from a CD to an USB disk?
[18:28] <pmjdebruijn> or what?
[18:28] <pmjdebruijn> again please describe with more detail
[18:29] <Sakrecoer> hmm.... i'm lagging like i'm on mars...
[18:29] <pitlaloose> so i had formatted my drive in 3 (swap, part for xubuntu and a fat to store my iso copied there on another machine
[18:29] <pmjdebruijn> ok, that's very atypical
[18:30] <pmjdebruijn> but I think I'm there with you
[18:30] <pitlaloose> as i had another drive with grub, i managed to boot this iso
[18:30] <pmjdebruijn> ok
[18:30] <pmjdebruijn> and on the desktop you run the installer...
[18:30] <pitlaloose> exactly
[18:30] <pmjdebruijn> and then...
[18:31] <pitlaloose> but then in the end
[18:31] <pitlaloose> it says "detecting file systems"
[18:31] <pmjdebruijn> in the installer?
[18:31] <pitlaloose> and hang on it for hours
[18:31] <pmjdebruijn> well, it's not really been designed for the case you're working with it
[18:31] <pitlaloose> yep at the end of the process
[18:32] <pmjdebruijn> so I'm not really surprised you might have hit a bug there
[18:32] <pmjdebruijn> any reason why not to install the live-iso to a USB drive, and do an install the regular way?
[18:32] <pitlaloose> usb won't work on thismobo
[18:32] <bazhang> booting an iso via grub to use the installer?
[18:33] <pitlaloose> *usb bootable stick
[18:33] <pmjdebruijn> and installing to the same disk you've booted off
[18:33] <Sakrecoer> haha... days like that... when no robots want to execute and all connections are lagging ... :D
[18:33] <bazhang> yeah, that wont work
[18:33] <pmjdebruijn> pitlaloose: how old is it?
[18:33] <pitlaloose> that's it
[18:33] <Sakrecoer> now i got your answers pmjdebruijn
[18:33] <Sakrecoer> thanks a million.
[18:33] <pitlaloose> 7-8 year
[18:33] <pmjdebruijn> pitlaloose: then are you really sure it can't boot off usb?
[18:34] <pmjdebruijn> anyway? maybe burn a CD/DVD then?
[18:34] <pmjdebruijn> Sakrecoer: I'm not very experienced with netinstall either, so I'm basically just doing educated guesses :)
[18:34] <pitlaloose> maybe i've missed something but i tried a few hours reading the mobo'sman
[18:35] <pmjdebruijn> which motherboard?
[18:35] <Sakrecoer> its very nice of you pmjdebruijn
[18:35] <Sakrecoer> i need it because the target computers have no other booting possibilities...
[18:36] <pmjdebruijn> pitlaloose: ?
[18:36] <pitlaloose> yep
[18:36] <pitlaloose> P4VMM2
[18:38] <Sakrecoer> they wont boot usb, and i don't have any removable media that could be connected
[18:38] <pmjdebruijn> pitlaloose: hmmm ok...  :? I want install utorrent
[20:08] <Maple__> Open a terminal, 'cd' into the directory in question (by default, you're in /home/dashie/)
[20:09] <xubuntu978> yes
[20:09] <xubuntu978> after that?
[20:09] <Maple__> xubuntu978, FYI, Xubuntu comes with it's own bittorrent client, Transmission; a more functional client's in the repos, known as 'Deluge' and can be installe dwith sudo apt-get install deluge
[20:09] <Maple__> xubuntu978, tar -xvzf <tarball>.tar.gz
[20:09] <Maple__> check the README/INSTALL files if they exist.
[20:09] <knome> xubuntu978, as Maple__ said, xubuntu ships a torrent client already. are you sure that or any of the other applications in the repositories do not fit you?
[20:10] <Maple__> What sort of functionality are you seeking? It might be easier just to use a BT client that's already in the repositories/packaged.
[20:10] <xubuntu978> I need very utorrent :( I don't see readme ir install files
[20:10] <knome> xubuntu978, is there a specific reason you need utorrent?
[20:11] <xubuntu978> I using this soft about 5 years...
[20:12] <Maple__> ...and what functionality do you need?
[20:12] <knome> xubuntu978, most torrent applications are alike
[20:12] <Maple__> Hmm, it looks like mutorrent for linux is a command-line version only.
[20:12] <xubuntu978> Not only utorrent need , I can't install sublime text2 alsow..
[20:12] <Maple__> If you want a GUI, try Transmission or install another client from the repos.
[20:12] <Maple__> hmm
[20:13] <Maple__> you can use the sublime text 2 ppa
[20:13] <Maple__> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:webupd8team/sublime-text-2 && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install sublime-text
[20:15] <xubuntu978> thank you maple!!
[20:15] <xubuntu978> you are the best!!!
[20:15] <Maple__> np xubuntu978
[20:16] <xubuntu978> sorry for my english skils..
[20:16] <xubuntu978> but I have one questions
[20:17] <xubuntu978> I can't understand, why I can't install utorrent whit sudo ?
[20:17] <knome> xubuntu978, if you don't understand what a .tar.gz package is, you shouldn't try to install it
[20:18] <xubuntu978> why? I am new linux user
[20:18] <xubuntu978> yet..
[20:18] <knome> xubuntu978, .tar.gz is a compressed file (just like .zip-files are), and there is no single method of installing such "packages"
[20:19] <xubuntu978> thank you!
[20:19] <knome> no problem
[20:19] <knome> hope you'll find a suitable torrent application from the repositories (and i'm sure you will)
[20:19] <Unit193> !software
[20:21] <xubuntu978> knome, what soft you can recommend with torrents file?
[20:22] <knome> xubuntu978, depends on what you are after. for a simple one, try transmission (installed by default in xubuntu)
[20:22] <Unit193> As said above, transmission comes pre-installed, but there's also many others.


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[02:00] <damian> Anyone know where I can get the command "mdconfig"? It is common on FreeBSD, but I can't seem to find a package that provides it.
[02:01] <damian> actually, I might be able to find it in synaptic
[02:04] <damian> ok, I tried a search for md in synaptic, mdadm seemed like it might be right, but I kinda doubt it.
[02:06] <damian> mdadm wasn't helpful, anyone got ideas for me?
[02:07] <damian> I would like to avoid compiling anything because the only thing I've compiled was LAMP under my dads guidance, everything else I've tried has thrown errors.
[02:18] <damian> I'll see if #linuxhelp can tell me anything
[03:21] <tonyyarusso> damian: what does it *do*?
[03:22] <damian> Creates a memdisk (similar to mounting a folder as tmpfs) and lets you manipulate it as if it were a real device (like a harddrive)
[03:23] <tonyyarusso> Okay, something like that is obviously at the kernel level, so BSD utilities aren't going to work on Linux.
[03:23] <damian> I found a bit of help in #linuxhelp, I made a 300MiB file using "dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/test.disk bs=300M count=1" where /tmp is mounted as tmpfs
[03:23] <damian> then did "losetup /dev/loop0 /tmp/test.disk"
[03:23] <damian> giving me something very similar to what I wanted
[03:24] <tonyyarusso> There are plenty of ramdisk tutorials for Linux via google.
[03:24] <damian> but it doesn't appear to work with gparted
[03:24] <damian> I got the idea to use mdconfig from my dad, so I didn't really think about other options right off :/
[03:25] <tonyyarusso> Yeah, gparted isn't going to do this.  You'll need to work on the command line.
[03:29] <damian> Actually Disk Utility shows it, is able to format it, and mount it
[03:30] <damian> I formatted it as a FAT16 partition named "potato"
[03:50] <damian> I got disconnected from our home network for some reason, I'm on my phone now


 My system freezes when watching youtube videos in google chrome, and when full screening games on Steam. Something that has to do with video must be causing it, but I have no idea how to check. I can find anything in dmesg, syslog, faillog, and don't know where else to check. 13.10 64bit laptop.
[01:15] <topoi_> cjwelborn have you tried livesreamer?
[01:15] <topoi_> DOWN WITH FLASH
[01:15] <cjwelborn> livestreamer? never heard of it.. i'm gonna go read up on it.
[01:16] <topoi_> have you got VLC?
[01:16] <cjwelborn> yeh, if I don't I can get it real quick.
[01:16] <topoi_> install livestreamer in the terminal
[01:17] <topoi_> http://xmodulo.com/2014/01/watch-live-streaming-video-command-line-linux.html
[01:17] <cjwelborn> cool thanks topoi_
[01:18] <topoi_> it converts youtube, vimeo, etc. to a stream viewable in VLC. you're welcome :)
[01:21] <Unit193> Or, you could use the network tab in VLC, it supports YouTube directly.  Could also try http://youtube.com/html5  I'd also wonder what's in xorg.log, and if you can ssh in.
[01:24] <cjwelborn> good point Unit193, I didn't think of that. I'm gonna try it.
[03:10] <finder> ?
[04:50] <thechris> Hi, does anyone know how to get KDE to use dual monitors?
[04:50] <thechris> Right now, I've got two monitors that display the desktop,  but only one will accept applications.
[04:51] <thechris> eg, there is no edge that I can move applications across.  They just do the smart maximize.
[04:52] <thechris> obviously "desktop 1" vs "desktop 2" isn't the issue either.
[04:52] <thechris> The mouse will move to the other screen though.
[08:09] <jargon> what's 13.10 based on? debian7 or 6?
[08:25] <amichair> I did an upgrade to kde 4.12.2 and (from ubuntu repos) kernel 3.11.0-17. After reboot I had no GUI. I removed all nvidia drivers and installed nvidia-319-updates and got GUI back, but there are no HDMI sound devices recognized. How do I get things working again?
[08:28] <amichair> hmmm... lspci says configuration: driver=snd_hda_intel but vendor: NVIDIA Corporation, is that the problem?
[08:28] <amichair> how do I change it?
[09:11] <amichair> can anyone help in debugging audio problems?
[09:12] <valorie> hmmm
[09:12] <valorie> !nvidia
[09:12] <valorie> amichair: ^^^
[09:13] <valorie> !hdmi
[09:13] <valorie> nope, nothing more general
[09:13] <amichair> valorie: video is working, but the hdmi audio device is gone
[09:13] <valorie> a new drivers update hit lately, I think
[09:14] <amichair> in system settings -> multimedia there's only the 'built-in audio analog stereo' option now
[09:15] <amichair> I actually just installed the nvidia 331.49 drivers straight from the nvidia site, but it's the same. I don't know if the problem is in the kde 4.12.2 update or ubuntu kernel update that is causing this
[09:16] <amichair> valorie: any idea how to check  where exactly things broke?
[09:16] <valorie> my only expertise is from fixing broken stuff in the past
[09:17] <valorie> but now, everything Just Works
[09:17] <valorie> not too useful to you
[09:17] <amichair> until you update, and then it stops ;-)
[09:17] <valorie> perhaps write to the kubuntu user list if you get no answers in the next few hours
[09:18] <valorie> sort of a slow time here usually
[09:22] <amichair> hmmm... I think it's a kde bug
[09:23] <amichair> if I mess around with the hardware tab (changing profiles) then suddenly new options appear in the device preference tab
[09:25] <amichair> but only one of them can be used according to selected profile (analog audio or hdmi output), whereas in the past I could pick them out on the device list and prioritize
[09:29] <amichair> if I'm understanding the new settings behavior, from now on I will need to change the settings every time I want to switch from watching TV to listening to music and select the output profile manually. That sucks :-/
[09:29] <valorie> :(
[09:30] <valorie> I don't know which team is doing that sort of stuff -- could be solid, which handles hardware
[09:30] <valorie> they have a chan: #solid
[09:31] <valorie> or ask in #kde, where they might know better
[09:31]  * valorie quits to pay full attention to the olympics
[09:32] <amichair> valorie: k, thanks!
[09:33] <valorie> good luck!
[09:34] <amichair> thanks :-)
[09:46] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:47]  * genii slides lordievader a morning coffee
[09:47] <lordievader> genii: \o/
[11:39] <moha> hey every one i am new kubuntu user and i have some probs to get it connected ti wifi ? any help plz
[11:41] <dubis> Hi .... Is someone know how is the PATH of java plugin for rekonq
[11:42] <moha> any help about connecting kubuntu to wifi ! i am a new user plz help ??
[11:43] <dubis> Network manager in your task bar
[11:43] <moha> yes i know i did
[11:43] <moha> but is it does not detect any wireless networks
[11:44] <dubis> in terminal do you have wlan0 when you typed ifconfig -a
[11:45] <moha> i didn't try this one
[11:45] <moha> if i did and i got wlan0 so what ?
[11:45] <dubis> In some laptop there is a swith for the wifi card check...
[11:46] <dubis> forget the last one
[11:46] <lordievader> moha: Also make sure it is hard- or soft-blocked, you can check this with "sudo rfkill list" in a terminal.
[11:46] <moha> okey ! so what should do plz ! i am really interested in learning linux !!
[11:47] <dubis> sudo iwlist scan
[11:47] <dubis> showes the SSID
[11:47] <moha> then ?
[11:48] <moha> dubis do u have an  e-book or website where i can learn this ?
[11:49] <dubis> moha: yes but its in french
[11:49] <moha> no prob i speak both languages
[11:50] <dubis> man iwconfig
[11:50] <moha> this command do what ?
[11:50] <dubis> sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid "my SSID network" channel 10 key<PHONE_NUMBER>ABCDEF
[11:51] <dubis> sudo dhclient
[11:51] <dubis> should enough
[11:52] <dubis> moha: http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/wifi
[11:53] <moha> so should type this in konsole then i ll be connected
[11:53] <moha> thanks a lot dubis
[11:53] <dubis> Where is the PATH of the java plugin of rekonq
[11:57] <dubis> moha: welcome
[12:23] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:35] <dubis> help me .... please
[12:38] <BluesKaj> dubis, what's your issue?
[12:38] <dubis> BlueKaj: I try to downgrade the java plugin of rekonq
[12:39] <dubis> BlueKaj: May be do know the path of the plugin directory of rekonq
[12:41] <BluesKaj> dubis, my advice is not to use rekonq , it's not stable a ready for everyday use. That's my opinion because my experience with it is as described
[12:42] <BluesKaj> I have to leave...BNBL
[12:42] <BluesKaj> BBL
[12:42] <dubis> BluesKaj: I need to explain so, I try be connected on special interface provided by Sun ORACLE java. Firefox and Chrome have bad display but they load JAVA 1.6.x plugin
[12:43] <dubis> BluesKaj: Rekonq has teh good display but it's loading the JAVA 1.7.x plugin and I ve certificate problem with this version snif
[12:43] <dubis> snob
[12:53] <dubis> BluesKaj, after reading this page https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?59227-Rekonq-plugin-path%28s%29 should be   /usr/lib/browser/plugins
[13:17] <BluesKaj> dubis, yes that file path is probly correct, but perhaps the partner repos can provide the plugin
[13:17] <BluesKaj> canonical partner repository
[13:18] <dubis> with update-alternative i did the link didn't work
[13:26] <BluesKaj> try dist-upgrade, dubis
[13:27] <dubis> what is it this command
[13:27] <BluesKaj> update first of course
[13:28] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade , in the terminal
[13:31] <dubis> Juste update of flash pluing and chrome browser
[13:31] <BluesKaj> kubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[13:32] <dubis> kde-config-touchpad
[13:32] <dubis> MAy be that 's kix the problem I've got with my touch pad
[13:32] <dubis> I lost the touchpad when I Put my laptop in stand by
[13:36] <dubis> I was an other problem I foucs on JAVA
[13:36] <dubis> focus
[14:43] <JoeSomebody> does the ubuntu channel hate people who think gnome is nasty now? windows 8 type stuff? i cant get ONE question answered about gnome, I am awaiting canonical calls, i wanted to come back to ubuntu/kubuntu, but  am ready to bail again due to irc rudeness , again
[14:44] <JoeSomebody> no more ub or kub for me , you guys are evil
[14:46]  * Poisoned_Dragon sighs.
[14:46] <Poisoned_Dragon> silly people.
[14:49] <BluesKaj> his conduct wasn't exactly the epitome of courtesy and patience in the chats that he visited ;)
[14:50] <Poisoned_Dragon> XD
[14:51] <dubis> Bug 331385
[15:52] <osbinas> good evening
[15:52] <osbinas> :)
[15:57] <osbinas> hi all how to make root user activated in logon manager?
[15:57] <osbinas> at start up :)?
[15:58] <BluesKaj> !root
[16:00] <BluesKaj> osbinas, use the user and password you chose during the installation procedure
[16:02] <osbinas> but how to enable it im allready got  settup root user just i need to let me logon with him at startup
[16:02] <osbinas> where i can find file something like that BluesKaj
[16:03] <osbinas> kdmrc or some thin glike that :)
[16:18] <BluesKaj> osbinas, sorry Idon't know what you mean root user, pls read the ubottu post above
[16:19] <osbinas> at logon i system i wana choise use regular user and super user "root" how to enable it?
[16:20] <BluesKaj> in the terminal or virtual terminal it's sudo su
[16:20] <osbinas> runing kubuntu 13.10
[16:20] <BluesKaj> it's not like debian
[16:20] <BluesKaj> that's all I know
[16:21] <osbinas> :)
[16:22] <BluesKaj> if you want root user at the login page , ctl+alt +F1-F6 , then after logging in as a normal user, do suso su
[16:25] <BluesKaj> correction , sudo su osbinas
[16:33] <osbinas> BluesKaj im mean when logingon http://handytutorial.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Login-as-root-300x222.png
[16:33] <osbinas> some  thing like that only with kde
[16:35] <BluesKaj> osbinas, are you getting the login page , lightdm ?
[16:40] <osbinas> nop thats way and asking :)
[16:41] <osbinas> BluesKaj
[16:42] <BluesKaj> you should have said so, user and userpassword are what are required on the login page, can you explain what happens after grub ?
[16:44] <osbinas> got logon screen :) and offering to me logon with my user account but not root user :)
[16:45] <osbinas> BluesKaj forgeting tag U :) im new in irc :D
[16:47] <BluesKaj> you don't need root user, kubuntu doesn't require root user, just normal user with root permissions, do you understand ?
[16:48] <BluesKaj> type in your username and password in the fields provided
[16:49] <mavihs> any tutorial recommendation for QML, apart from the documentation ? Thanks
[16:57] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[17:03] <hovgaard> :-)
[17:03] <hovgaard> Howdy oki I did it I just quickly jad to see the new gnome so sudo-apt install ubuntu-desktop gnome-shell. Then I had fun for10 minutes and said no more back to my nice friend kde again, but now gnome-keyring keeps bugging me it has replaced kwallet and made my life miserable :-) I cant really seem to find a fix for it
[17:04] <hovgaard> I tried chmod -x on /etc/gnome-keyring* but didnt really fix my problem any ideas better than a reinstall would be lovely
[17:07] <lordievader> hovgaard: /etc is usually where the config files are stored the executables you can find with: whereis gnome-keyring
[17:08] <lordievader> There is probably a cleaner way to disableing gnome-keyring (like uninstalling), but since I don't use it I don't know.
[22:15] <apb1963_> How can I add a command to my right-click menu?  Specifically, when I right-click on a pdf file in Konsole, it will bring up a file manager and then I can bring up a pdf viewer.  I want to skip the file manager and go directly to the pdf viewer... or - ideally - other appropriate application as called for by the extension.
[22:46] <valorie> apb1963_: isn't there a box to check to make that happen?
[22:46] <valorie> if not, check in systemsettings, and set it there
[22:55] <en1gma> i just installed ubuntu desktop 13.06 is there an easy way to install kubuntu
[22:55] <en1gma> i dont want to do it all over again (took an hr)
[22:57] <apb1963_> en1gma, how did you install it the first time?
[22:57] <en1gma> unetbootin to my sd card then used that to install to hdd
[22:57] <en1gma> external hdd
[22:57] <apb1963_> valorie, I don't see a box... where in system settings please?
[22:58] <valorie> workspace behavior > default applications
[22:59] <apb1963_> en1gma, where was all the time spent?
[22:59] <en1gma> waiting for it to install. mostly downloading
[23:00] <apb1963_> valorie, I see workspace behavior... I don't see default apps.
[23:00] <apb1963_> en1gma, How about downloading an iso first?
[23:01] <en1gma> how about i would have done that before i would have taken the trouble to do it through two different usb sticks and then break out my ext hdd
[23:01] <en1gma> i dont have any blank media and putting iso onto usb stick always problems
[23:02] <valorie> apb1963_: also there is file associations, where you can configure which pdf reader
[23:02] <valorie> en1gma: install kubuntu-desktop
[23:03] <valorie> no need for an iso again
[23:03] <en1gma> i do that from a term?
[23:03] <valorie> you will have both unity and kde desktops though
[23:03] <en1gma> more bloat*  oh well
[23:03] <valorie> you can do that from the cli or using synaptic or whatever you like
[23:04] <valorie> you can uninstall unity if you don't want it
[23:04] <valorie> !kde
[23:04] <apb1963_> valorie, I saw the file associations... but I don't think that's the issue?
[23:04] <valorie> it isn't "bloat" it is a different desktop and set of applications
[23:05] <valorie> you could have had just kde had you chosen the kubuntu iso rather than the ubuntu
[23:06] <valorie> apb1963_: I misspoke; the default applications doesn't cover PDF
[23:06] <valorie> :(
[23:06] <apb1963_> hmm
[23:06] <valorie> I should have checked that first
[23:06] <apb1963_> :)
[23:09] <apb1963_> so really that brings up an interesting question.... how does one add to that list of "services" on the default applications window?
[23:09] <apb1963_> which I'm guessing is the place to add what I want, to get the behavior I want.
[23:17] <valorie> apb1963_: I guess that would be a #kde question
[23:19] <valorie> or maybe it is because we don't provide a default PDF reader
[23:19] <valorie> that's possible


[01:42] <murfman> SET #MiskatonicU KEEPTOPIC ON
[04:29] <smartboyhw> Hi!
[04:48] <gonzales> hi
[04:49] <smartboyhw> Hi1
[04:49] <smartboyhw> gonzales: How are you!
[04:51] <gonzales> @smartboyhw: i'm fine, ty, but i'm having a little trouble with my os
[04:52] <smartboyhw> gonzales: How may I help you?
[04:52] <smartboyhw> I'm a Ubuntu Studio team member:)\
[04:53] <gonzales> smartboyhw: that's great, buddy :D ! I connected an external usb storage device on my pc running ubuntu studio, but when i plugged it back on windows 7, it has a differente directory structure
[04:55] <gonzales> showing shortcuts instead of folders. is there a way to revert this file path structure?
[04:56] <smartboyhw> gonzales: What's your USB's disk format?
[04:57] <gonzales> smartboyhw: ntfs
[04:57] <smartboyhw> Hmm...
[04:57] <smartboyhw> Try to see if this problem exists on normal Ubuntu desktop
[04:59] <gonzales> how can I access the normal ubuntu desktop?
[04:59] <smartboyhw> gonzales: INSTALL UBUNTU!
[05:02] <gonzales> smartboyhw: well, so i'll have to download the ubuntu distro and install over my ubuntu studio distro?
[05:13] <gonzales> smartboyhw: i think it's just the way my disk is mounted. i'll try another distro. thanks, friend!
[05:21] <smartboyhw> Good, gonzales
[09:58] <smartboyhw> I am back!
[11:59] <lnx-e__> hi everyone
[12:01] <smartboyhw> Hi!
[12:03] <smartboyhw> lnx-e__, how may I help you?
[12:03] <cfhowlett> greetings all
[12:04] <ne2k> I cannot for the life of me find a realtime or preempt kernel for natty. I don't want to install the full ubuntu studio, just add the realtime kernel to natty
[12:04] <smartboyhw> hi cfhowlett
[12:05] <smartboyhw> ne2k: Use the original kernel, and it's best to install full Ubuntu Studio
[12:05] <ne2k> smartboyhw: you saying to use the generic kernel?
[12:05] <ne2k> smartboyhw: but how will that get me a realtime kernel?
[12:06] <smartboyhw> Someone help ne2k, I need to go to the toilet:)
[12:08] <ne2k> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RealTime this appears to suggest strongly that I should be able to find both lowlatency and realtime kernels for natty, but they just don't seem to be able to be found
[12:09] <cfhowlett> natty?!
[12:09] <cfhowlett> smartboyhw: TMI
[12:10] <smartboyhw> ne2k: Please use a precise kernel on natty, it is possible
[12:12] <ne2k> smartboyhw: 3.4?
[12:12] <smartboyhw> Yep
[12:14] <ne2k> smartboyhw: the generic one?
[12:14] <smartboyhw> Yep
[12:14] <smartboyhw> No, the low-latency one
[12:15] <ne2k> smartboyhw: I'm not sure where to find it
[12:15] <ne2k> http://www.howopensource.com/2012/07/how-to-install-linux-kernel-3-5-quantal-in-ubuntu-12-04-11-10-11-04-10-10-and-10-04/ was looking at this and it took me here http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[12:16] <smartboyhw> wait
[12:16] <smartboyhw> I'm finding
[12:17] <ne2k> https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa this doesn't seem to work
[12:17] <smartboyhw> Please use the newest kernel of precise
[12:18] <ne2k> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ well this appears to suggest that's 3.4, but I can't find a lowlatency package of it
[12:18] <smartboyhw> 3.4 is the best
[12:19] <ne2k> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=precise&arch=any&searchon=sourcenames&keywords=linux this suggests the latest in precise is 3.2.0-23.31
[12:20] <smartboyhw> But don't use 3.2.0, it's a biut old
[12:20] <ne2k> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=quantal&arch=amd64&searchon=sourcenames&keywords=lowlatency ?
[12:21] <ne2k> 3.5.0-9.8?
[12:21] <smartboyhw> Use https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/+archive/ppa
[12:22] <smartboyhw> That kernel should be good!
[12:23] <ne2k> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio-dev/ppa/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found
[12:23] <ne2k> that looks very old
[12:24] <smartboyhw> I said, use precise kernel on natty
[12:24] <ne2k> smartboyhw: http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio-dev/ppa/ubuntu/dists/
[12:24] <ne2k> my point is, that ppa is very old and doesn't have anything past lucid in it
[12:24] <smartboyhw> Actually, try to use a Xubuntu kernel
[12:25] <smartboyhw> Ubuntu Studio bears a very close simliarity to Xubuntu
[12:25] <ne2k> what is the url of the actual ubuntustudio precise repository?
[12:26] <smartboyhw> I said, use a Xubuntu kernel
[12:28] <ne2k> when you install ubuntustudio from scratch, what gets put in sources.list?
[12:29] <smartboyhw> ne2k: Actually, why don't you want to install Ubuntu Studio from scratch?
[12:30] <ne2k> smartboyhw: I'm contemplating it. it's a matter of time
[12:30] <ne2k> but I probably will at some point
[12:30] <smartboyhw> Installing a kernel is also a contemplation of tiem
[12:30] <smartboyhw> *time
[12:30] <ne2k> I release-upgraded from maverick to natty and have had a mildly buggered system ever since
[12:31] <smartboyhw> The Ubuntu Studio team uses the kernel from Xubuntu, put packages in it, then release the .iso
[12:31] <ne2k> vowed I would never a release-upgrade again
[12:31] <ne2k> out of interest, are you unable or just unwilling to answer my question about the ubuntustudio respository urls?
[12:32] <smartboyhw> Unwilling. I'm quite busy, but I will help you find it, wait..
[12:33] <ne2k> archive.ubuntustudio.org doesn't appear to work
[12:33] <smartboyhw> I found somethign
[12:33] <ne2k> so it's all in the official repository now
[12:34] <smartboyhw> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=448386 post #6
[12:34] <smartboyhw> That should help
[12:34] <smartboyhw> :)
[12:35] <ne2k> smartboyhw: apart from the fact that it's five years old and makes reference to archive.ubuntustudio.org, which I've just determined no longer exists, because all the packages are in the main repositoriesa
[12:36] <smartboyhw> Maybe you should make a post on Ubuntu forums whil I help you to find it
[12:36] <ne2k> I've found it
[12:36] <ne2k> it doesn't have its own repository, it's all in the main ubuntu repository
[12:36] <smartboyhw> Congrats
[12:42] <smartboyhw> Problem solved!
[17:40] <rhalff> hi!
[17:41] <rhalff> I'm thinking about a new ubuntu interface...
[17:41] <rhalff> and wanna use this channel to bother people with my idea
[17:42] <rhalff> anyone interested ? :p
[17:43] <Len-nb> interface?
[17:43] <holstein> rhalff: if its a development idea, i would try the dev channel
[17:43] <holstein>  #ubuntustudio-devel ...or the mailing list, but you can elaborate here if you like
[17:43] <rhalff> I basically picture cloudy like buttons, where one can drag application to, so it will form a group of application to startup, if an application is already started it won't close, if it's not in the group it will shut down. So the normal xfce menu will be gone.
[17:44] <holstein> rhalff: what interface is that?
[17:44] <holstein> who maintains it?
[17:44] <rhalff> so one button will activate what you put inside that cloudy button.
[17:44] <rhalff> nobody! *yet* :p
[17:44] <Len-nb> How much cpu does it take?
[17:44] <holstein> rhalff: we are not going to develop a UI
[17:44] <rhalff> uh, almost none
[17:44] <rhalff> it would basically be a very simple app.
[17:45] <holstein> rhalff: we went with XFCE because of the great support and dev on XFCE, and the xubuntu team
[17:45] <rhalff> I enforce you to!
[17:45] <rhalff> :D
[17:45] <holstein> rhalff: ?.. not clear about "enforce"
[17:45] <rhalff> nah I'm just thinking of a simpeler way to switch work flows
[17:45] <holstein> rhalff: you can and are encouraged to join ubuntustudio development
[17:45] <holstein> rhalff: i can say, we dont have the team to support *any* custom UI
[17:45] <rhalff> but that means I have to develop it myself... :|
[17:46] <Len-nb> Yes
[17:46] <holstein> rhalff: unity is a custom UI.. and you can get an idea of what that takes to implement and maintain
[17:46] <rhalff> anyway, just wondering if somebody grasp my idea, nothing more than that yet.
[17:46] <holstein> rhalff: we use XFCE because it works well, and fits out needs, and is already there
[17:46] <Len-nb> It sounds like a session manager of sorts.
[17:47] <rhalff> holstein, your studio setup opens up automatically when you start ?
[17:47] <holstein> rhalff: no, but i dont want it to
[17:47] <holstein> rhalff: you literally cant please everyone, and im not saying that is not a need... im just saying not everyone wants that
[17:47] <holstein> i dont
[17:48] <rhalff> I'm just picturing you make clouds of common setups, and then push one button to switch to it
[17:48] <holstein> rhalff: falktx of the KXstudio project is working on some very nice session managers
[17:48] <Len-nb> While we might be interested in such an app... we are looking for mature software. Our team though is not full of coders
[17:48] <holstein> rhalff: i think he is trying to get them upstream in debian.. which is where i would suggest anything for ubuntustudio start as well
[17:48] <Len-nb> We take existing packages and add then to Ubuntu
[17:49] <holstein> rhalff: sure.. and you always encouraged as an end user to setup however you like
[17:49] <holstein> rhalff: i dont want clouds.. but i am just one user
[17:49] <Len-nb> So ubunt
[17:49] <rhalff> yeah, I know. It's just a question, I'm not asking for a solution :-)
[17:49] <holstein> rhalff: i can see, and apprectiate the need, and you are encouraged to look into implementation
[17:49] <holstein> rhalff: you wont be able to convince anyone here to just go and "make that happen" for you though
[17:50] <rhalff> hm, ok, maybe I'll dive into python then.
[17:52] <rhalff> Basically we won't have a menu anymore, just arranged groups that you can fill with desired applications.
[17:52] <Len-nb> Need a menu too.
[17:53] <holstein> rhalff: some folks like a menu...
[17:53] <Len-nb> One of the reason unity doesn't work well for audio is no menu
[17:53] <holstein> i havent used a menu in years, but i dont force ubuntustudio to be like that
[17:56] <rhalff> For me the menu will be just the pool you select your applications from, you drag & drop it into a button (cloudy like thing), and then use that button/group when you need it. Maybe not even close other running applications, when work calls, you switch to work, spreadsheet, word whatever, then click the other button to go back to the studio. Many groups could be made that way.
[17:57] <holstein> rhalff: and what im saying is, for you, the menu can literaly be exactly that
[17:57] <holstein> for ubuntustudio, we need to think about the "average" user
[17:57] <rhalff> hmz
[17:57] <rhalff> true.
[17:57] <rhalff> :D
[17:57] <holstein> we went with XFCE because it was very similar in look and feel to gnome2
[17:57] <holstein> we have a menu because other OS's have menus
[17:57] <holstein> coming from windows, ubuntustudio is not that much different
[17:58] <holstein> not totally new
[17:58] <rhalff> I think xfce was a great choice btw, I don't argue that.
[17:58] <holstein> rhalff: do i use a menu? no
[17:58] <holstein> i use kupfer
[17:58] <Len-nb> In audio work, there may be a group of apps most used, what happens when you need an extra utility?
[17:58] <holstein> i have literally never suggested that ubuntustudio ship with it though...
[17:59] <holstein> rhalff: i think your ideas are quite nice! and you, again, are more than welcome and encouraged to get envolved with the development
[17:59] <rhalff> could be it probably is already done anyway, my thoughts are not that unique, unfortunatly :
[18:00] <holstein> rhalff: you might look at "workflows", or join the dev channel and ask scottwork when you see him
[18:00] <holstein> i think the ide of workflows is like that without the UI
[18:01] <rhalff> Len-bn, not sure what would be the extra utility, maybe just switch one work space and show, the normal setup ? :-)
[18:02] <Len-nb> for example a midi router might be something almost never used. so you hit you "cloud" button then you need a menu or start run program button to get that too.
[18:02] <Len-nb> Or a standalone sound gen. or....
[18:04] <Len-nb> Selecting an app from a whole list of apps is what a menu with submenus is there for. To keep things organized.
[18:04] <rhalff> Well you could just make it a smaller cloud button, and add the midi router to it or standalone sound gen, a bit like tag clouds work.
[18:04] <Len-nb> Wouldn't it be easier to just select it from a menu?
[18:04] <rhalff> less interesting is smaller
[18:05] <rhalff> Not for the more common setups.
[18:05] <Len-nb> Having a general workflow is great.
[18:06] <Len-nb> I actually did something like that in tk/tcl... but still having a menu is good too.
[18:06] <rhalff> Would be nice for new users to visually understand the workflows from experienced users, which would be just a button.
[18:06] <holstein> i would look at falks session manager too.. its that for the audio applications
[18:06] <holstein> plus, there are the old ones...
[18:07] <Len-nb> There are three session managers out there for audio, jacksessions, ladi on top of that and nsm
[18:07] <Len-nb> maybe look at those
[18:07] <holstein> and falks is Claudia?
[18:07] <holstein> i forget...
[18:08] <rhalff> I should be simple for new users. youtube, windows users, I have a linux background, easy of use is not that far away, the way jackd and qjackctl is much more complex and amazing what they have accomplished.
[18:09] <rhalff> +work
[18:11] <holstein> sure, but simple is a matter of opinion, and in my experience, more about what the use is already accustomed to
[18:16] <Len-nb> rhalff, I don't remember what it is called, but there is a kde project that does something like that.
[18:16] <rhalff> hmz, ok. Almost never used kde.. :-)
[18:18] <holstein> sure, but some folks like KDE... some users want ubuntustudio to use KDE
[18:18] <holstein> why do we not? because its quite different than what gnome 2 was
[18:22] <Len-nb> The one in KDE has some problems for audio use if the user doesn't know what they are doing.
[18:23] <Len-nb> it can leave a (hidden) group of applications running in the background, some of them detrimental to audio.
[18:23] <Len-nb> Similar to starting a session for a second user without logging out the first.
[18:24] <Len-nb> But it does have some nice features if used single workflow
[18:26] <Len-nb> There is an application called WorKflow... not the one I was looking for.
[18:33] <Len-nb> rhalff, look at "KDE activities" and "KDE workspace"
[18:34] <Len-nb> I think activites was the one I was looking for
[18:59] <rhalff> Ah sorry, watching TV, best singer song writer of the netherlands :p
[21:22] <tnnuk> Does anyone have any experience with Ubuntu Studio (or linux in general) and the Focusrite Scarlett 2i2? I get a problem where I'm listening to say, Spotify, then I open a tab in Chrome; the music stutters, the lights on the Scarlett flash and then the pitch of my music increases
[21:22] <tnnuk> I'm running a completely fresh Ubuntu Studio install
[21:24] <tnnuk> I was running regular Ubuntu 12.04; but I switched to Studio hoping it might help; but I get the same problem
[21:33] <tnnuk> Is it possible Chrome is outputting at a different frequency to Spotify and it's causing the Scarlett to get confused?
[21:48]  * tnnuk is very close to installing Windows for recording type activities :/