[21:20] <MestreLion> bekks: so currently I'm only in 2 groups... my user group and the new one I created. All the others have vanished :P
[21:20] <bkc_> jackbrownhf: (shuting down the firewall is for obvious reasons a bad idea, even on private lans)
[21:20] <bkc_> shane2peru: sore, meant 00_header :)
[21:20] <jackbrownhf> bkc_: added 5900 port TCP Allow IN to firewall
[21:20] <MestreLion> bekks: sudo? Isn't it admin anymore?
[21:20] <zykotick9> MestreLion: use usermod recently ;)  -a is append
[21:20] <jackbrownhf> bkc_: (and having no firewall?!?! )
[21:21] <MestreLion> zykotick9: yeah... and I simply forgot the --append... casted usermod --groups only...
[21:21] <bekks> MestreLion: See the comments in /etc/sudoers :)
[21:21] <chucknorris> jrib: could u show me how to use the command which would read the "John Doe" from the input file and output it as "jdoe"?
[21:21] <bkc_> jackbrownhf: try it now, otherwise, ping the computers from both ends and see if they can actually talk to eachother :)
[21:21] <MestreLion> bekks: /etc/sudoers is non-readable for non-sudoers :P
[21:21] <bekks> MestreLion: It is, for root.
[21:22] <bekks> MestreLion: rescue mode, etc ;)
[21:22] <MestreLion> oh, ok
[21:22] <shane2peru> MirkoKa: thanks, I changed that in there
[21:22] <bkc_> jackbrownhf: having no firewall is the same as having it turned of... actually it's the other way around, but that's just semantics anyway :)
[21:22] <shane2peru> MirkoKa: I hate fiddling with those config files in grub2 some are auto-fixed after they are edited by the system
[21:22] <MestreLion> bekks:  adm, cdrom, sudo, dip, plugdev, lpadmin.. ok, got it... this will at least give me some basic functionality, the rest I can configure back in my account
[21:23] <jackbrownhf> bkc_: VM Linux to my machine 4 bytes from <IP_ADDRESS>: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=1.03 ms
[21:23] <jackbrownhf> 64 bytes from <IP_ADDRESS>: icmp_seq=1 ttl=63 time=2.70 ms (DUP!)
[21:23] <MestreLion> bekks: and thank you  :)
[21:23] <MirkoKa> shane2peru: yeah, but that's the nice thing about the sometimes comples grub2 config. /etc/defaults/grub doesn't change by an update
[21:23] <jackbrownhf> bkc_: what means 64 bytes from <IP_ADDRESS>: icmp_req=5 ttl=64 time=6.59 ms (DUP!)
[21:23] <MestreLion> bekks: I'm still using Maverick, so I guess it is still admin here...
[21:23] <jackbrownhf> bkc_: never seen before DUP!
[21:24] <bekks> MestreLion: The functionalities of adm and sudo are different.
[21:24] <bkc_> jackbrownhf: DUP! should imo mean that it got the same package twice... thou not 100% sure :/
[21:24] <bekks> MestreLion: adm allows you to gain root access, sudo allows you to execute a command as root.
[21:24] <SunTsu> jackbrownhf: DUP means duplicate
[21:24] <MAXtEr> hello
[21:24] <bkc_> jackbrownhf: well, now you know that they can talk to each other. have you read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC/Servers#Troubleshooting ?
[21:24] <MAXtEr> any channel for help a noob
[21:25] <jackbrownhf> SunTsu:  ok got it maybe cos i'm pinging betwen my Computer and a VirtualBox bridged machine
[21:25] <bkc_> !help | MAXtEr
[21:25] <ikonia> MAXtEr: just ask your question
[21:25] <MestreLion> bekks: so adm is for su - only ?
[21:25] <bekks> MestreLion: su has nothing to do with it.
[21:25] <MestreLion> bekks: what would be "gain root access" then?
[21:25] <bekks> get a root shell.
[21:26] <bekks> like sudo -i
[21:26] <MestreLion> bekks: I thought that was su
[21:26] <bekks> (which is not recommended).
[21:26] <zykotick9> MestreLion: in ubuntu admin users are automatically allowed to sudo, but root account is disabled
[21:26] <MirkoKa> chucknorris: there are a thousand methods to do this, you need to learn shell scripting for this. the simple and naive way would be    echo John Doe | tr 'A-Z' 'a-z' |  sed 's/ \(.\).*/\1/g'
[21:26] <bekks> MestreLion: then why is there an entry for adm in the /etc/sudoers? ;)
[21:27] <MestreLion> yes, i'm aware of that zykotick9 .. and i think it is a wise decision imho
[21:27] <jackbrownhf> bkc_: troubleshoting doesn't help  just talk about few settings
[21:27] <christhisisgool> l
[21:27] <christhisisgool> sl
[21:27] <christhisisgool> sorry
[21:28] <lvleph> okay here I am again two years working on the same issue.
[21:28] <bkc_> jackbrownhf: have you configured it to accept remote connection? (not only local)
[21:28] <lvleph> For some stupid reason I cannot disable the screensaver
[21:28] <MestreLion> bekks: that's weird... 2 of my regular users ARE in adm group... but not in sudo.. they were created using gnome's GUI
[21:28] <lvleph> and now even worse the lockscreen
[21:28] <christhisisgool> what version of ubuntu are you using, lvleph?
[21:28] <bekks> MestreLion: I never used a graphical solution to create users, I really cant tell about that gnome gui.
[21:29] <lvleph> I am using Mint 9
[21:29] <lvleph> so not technically Ubuntu
[21:29] <MestreLion> bekks: I have 3 "admin-related" groups: adm, admin and sudo (i'm glad I can at least cat /etc/group)
[21:29] <lvleph> but technically not not ubuntu
[21:29] <lvleph> lol
[21:29] <christhisisgool> I believe that is at its end of life now, and this is also an ubuntu irc channel
[21:30] <jackbrownhf> bkc_: yes i did, anyway VINO gui has few preferences to set
[21:30] <MestreLion> lvleph: Min 9 is not EOL, since it's an LTS... but there is a mint irc server...
[21:30] <lvleph> Yeah, the people at Mint weren't able to help me
[21:30] <lvleph> Yeah I know
[21:30] <lvleph> but the problem has been persistent across multiple versions
[21:31] <christhisisgool> oh, sorry MestreLion, i didnt know that it was an LTS
[21:31] <lvleph> so, I suspect even after upgrade I will have the issue
[21:31] <bkc_> jackbrownhf: try "nmap -p5900 <vino-ip>" too see if the port is open :)
[21:31] <MrKeuner> hello, how do I mount a private home directory for my user? That was automatically done when the hard drive it is on was in my computer. Now it's an external disk connected via USB cable...
[21:31] <MestreLion> christhisisgool: int 9 = Lucid 10.04
[21:31] <MestreLion> Mint*
[21:31] <christhisisgool> oh
[21:31] <christhisisgool> makes a lot more sense now
[21:31] <pangolin> !mint
[21:32] <jackbrownhf> bkc_:  ok
[21:32] <spillo> just a question, i need download a video from youtube... no firefox just Chromium.. any other instead of DownloadHelper? tks
[21:32] <bkc_> MrKeuner: should be automagic, however mounting it as /home/<username> is unsupported and illadviced imo :)
[21:32] <boneSphere> any hacker channels?
[21:32] <bkc_> MrKeuner: it should pop-up somewhere in /mount :)
[21:33] <bkc_> boneSphere: define hacker...
[21:33] <jackbrownhf> bkc_: 5900/tcp open  vnc
[21:33] <spillo> ???
[21:33] <bkc_> jackbrownhf: it should work then :/
[21:33] <jackbrownhf> bkc_: of course i launched nmap from the client machine
[21:33] <MestreLion> bekks: let me see if I got this right: adm is for root shells, but since root account is disabled in Ubuntu, adm group is useless, correct? sudo group is the one that allows sudo... what about admin group, what is it for?
[21:33] <jackbrownhf> bkc_: i'm opening the ip on the browser maybe this is the mistake
[21:33] <MrKeuner> bkc_,  it does not get mounted autmatically
[21:33] <jackbrownhf> bkc_:  ??
[21:33] <MirkoKa> MrKeuner: what do you mean with "private home directory", your home shouldn't be non-private anyway. however, you need to edit /etc/fstab. I suggest not to do this. your account might become unusable if it doesn't find any files when the disk isn't connectted. instead, only put your private files it it.
[21:33] <bekks> MestreLion: No.
[21:34] <bekks> MestreLion: ONE of the functionalities of the adm group is to gain root access.
[21:34] <MrKeuner> MirkoKa, bkc_ by private I mean encrypted
[21:34] <bkc_> jackbrownhf: .......... you need a vnc-client like tightvnc or similar to use vnc :)
[21:34] <bkc_> MrKeuner: ooh... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemsOnRemovableStorage
[21:34] <MirkoKa> bekks: isn't "admin" (not adm) used for sudo? that's at least what /etc/sudoers on my 10.04 indicates
[21:34] <MestreLion> bekks: got any reading material for the rationale behind each group? I am quite surprised to see regular users in adm (but they are not in admin or sudo)
[21:34] <jackbrownhf> bkc_:  lol tnx i will install it
[21:35] <MrKeuner> bkc_, that is more for creating an encrpted system, but thanks
[21:36] <bkc_> MrKeuner: actually... it's for creating *and* mounting an encrypted system :)
[21:37] <bekks> MestreLion: No, sorry. I have to google it.
[21:37] <MirkoKa> MrKeuner: I have never tried an encryped home partition, so let me suggest another method: use encfs and its gui front-end cryptkeeper to encrypt only those (data) directories with your sensitive files
[21:38] <MestreLion> bekks: don't bother, I can do that
[21:38] <MAXtEr> alguien que sepa algo de psybnc
[21:38] <MestreLion> MirkoKa / bekks : care to paste the groups YOU guys are in? So I can have a reference?
[21:39] <bekks> MestreLion: I just did ;) Add vboxusers, and you have full list as I am using it :)
[21:39] <mrflibble> hi everyone. i have a question about partial upgrades - recently, when i open update-manager i get a "not all updates can be installed" warning, followed by a "partial upgrade" button. When I choose this, update-manager closes, and no upgrade is performed. any ideas on what i should be checking?
[21:39] <bkc_> MirkoKa: he wasn't refering to his home-folder, he was refering to an encrypted(private) partition :)
[21:40] <MestreLion> bekks: yeah, nice call about vboxusers... I have it installed. what about sambashare ?
[21:40] <MirkoKa> MestreLion: mirko adm dialout cdrom audio video plugdev lpadmin admin sambashare vboxusers
[21:40] <escott> mrflibble, you can try from the cli; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade;
[21:40] <zykotick9> mrflibble: fyi "partial upgrade" basically translates to - "this update is going to break something on your system" - you shouldn't do them.
[21:40] <mrflibble> ok, thanks escott
[21:41] <MestreLion> bekks / MirkoKa: and what version are you using?
[21:41] <mrflibble> zykotick9: oh, but even if u upgrade the rest of the packages, it keeps showing up, but it's not very obvious in what it wants to do
[21:41] <mrflibble> MrKeuner: is truecrypt any good to you?
[21:42] <mrflibble> if you dont want a whole fs encrypted, u can create containers that can be mounted
[21:42] <minimec> MestreLion: I sent you a notice with my /etc/group file. Didn't you get that?
[21:42] <MirkoKa> MestreLion: 10.04 (would be surprised if the "main-user" group (ie. admin v. adm vs. wheel) changed, but who knows
[21:42] <zykotick9> mrflibble: you shouldn't under normal circumstances see partial upgrades.  mixing repos?  fyi, they are common in the development branch and an excellent reason to use "aptitude safe-upgrade"
[21:43] <MestreLion> minimec: no, I didn't... care to re-send?
[21:43] <minimec> MestreLion: Better like that?
[21:43] <MestreLion> got it minimec , thanks
[21:44] <minimec> MestreLion: ok
[21:44] <mrflibble> zykotick9: possibly - i did try to add a repo for some fuse stuff i think
[21:44] <MestreLion> MirkoKa: it did change... for example, you are in admin but not in sudo... bekks is the opposite... and I think "wheel" is kinda recent...
[21:44] <swampthing> does anyone know how I can find out how many cores I have from the terminal?
[21:46] <zykotick9> swampthing: "cat /proc/cpuinfo" and see how many "processor : #" entries you have.  (one way)
[21:46] <MestreLion> minimec: and your ubuntu is.. ?
[21:46] <mrflibble> swampthing: top and then "1" ?
[21:46] <wylde> MestreLion: wheel has been around a long time. It was used when I started playing with Debian 17+ years ago.
[21:46] <minimec> MestreLion: That file comes from a upgraded 11.10 -> 12.04
[21:47] <mrflibble> i like zykotick9's way better :)
[21:47] <MirkoKa> MestreLion: in any case, fixing this should be really easy with a LiveCD. regardless of what group is used. what enables me to use sudo is the /etc/sudoers line "%admin ALL=(ALL) ALL" (without the quotes of course). just adjust it for your notion of the "main-user" group.
[21:47] <MestreLion> man, if only sudo accepted aliases or ~/bin scripts... I would surely forcefully append --append to usermod :P
[21:48] <MestreLion> wylde: so is it deprecated or not used in  ubuntu? I don't even have that group in my /etc/group
[21:48] <bkc_> MestreLion: http://i.imgur.com/AjceU.png
[21:48] <bkc_> ^^
[21:48] <mrflibble> zykotick9: in software sources, i have a few ppa.launchpad.net ones, canonical partners, independent and independent (source code)
[21:49] <wylde> MestreLion: I guess so, or just not used in Ubuntu. I haven;t seen it used in a long time.
[21:49] <zykotick9> mrflibble: well... i have no comment.  good luck.
[21:50] <MestreLion> MirkoKa: yes, I know it wont be too hard... reboot, recovery mode, usermod -a -G <a bunch of groups>, and I'm good. But I want to recreate that list as "faithfully" as possible
[21:50] <MirkoKa> MestreLion: wheel is often used in more traditional Linuxes. Slackware uses it for example (Arch and Gentoo too IIRC)
[21:50] <mrflibble> lol, thanks :)
[21:50] <wylde> MestreLion: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=linux:admin
[21:50] <MestreLion> lol @ bkc_ ... nice :D
[21:51] <bkc_> MestreLion: worst thing is... it works -.-
[21:51] <swampthing> I want to get into web development. should I learn perl for that?
[21:52] <MirkoKa> MestreLion: do I mix threads up here? if you where the one who had removed itself from the <whatever enables sudo> group, then there's no other way as to use LiveCD or recovery mode. ;-)
[21:54] <MestreLion> bkc_: does it? previously i aliased sudo to something like sudo(){ cmd="$1"; shift; type "$cmd">/dev/null && command sudo "$(type -p "$cmd")" "$@"; }, or something like that
[21:54] <MrKeuner> mrflibble, not sure what you ask. While using it I felt safe
[21:55] <MestreLion> MirkoKa: I will use recovery mode...
[21:55] <bkc_> MestreLion: yes it does work :)
[21:55] <mrflibble> swampthing: perl is certainly useful, but php might be an easier intro
[21:56] <swampthing> ah so, cheers
[21:58] <MestreLion> bkc_: what was that -D9 ?
[21:58] <bkc_> MestreLion: no idea, but it works :)
[21:58] <bkc_> try sudo --help | grep -D
[21:58] <MestreLion> bkc_: I guess it is part of the joke... i did man sudo already, there's no -D
[21:59] <bkc_> MestreLion: depends on the version and distro/os :)
[21:59] <MestreLion> anyway, we are getting off-topic... my problem is solved, and  have many "reference lists" to aid me... thanks a lot guys!
[22:00] <MestreLion> question: do recovery mode mount entries in fstab?
[22:01] <bkc_> MestreLion: -D level | Enable debugging of sudo plugins and sudo itself. The level may be a value from 1 through 9.
[22:01] <bkc_> sudo 1.8.4 :)
[22:02] <kingnebex> hallooooow ubuntu people.....
[22:02] <MestreLion> bkc_: weird... i can not even use -V
[22:02] <mrflibble> hi kingnebex
[22:02] <MirkoKa> MestreLion: IIRC, yes. if not and you need to mount try "mount /path/to/moint_point"
[22:03] <kingnebex> wts up mrflibble?
[22:03] <kingnebex> can any i helpme out .....im lookin 3 a site that has multiple and free soft wares 4 ubuntu
[22:03] <MestreLion> great MirkoKa... list is saved in my data partition
[22:03] <MestreLion> time to reboot I guess... thanks for everything guys!
[22:03] <kingnebex> can any i helpme out .....im lookin 4 a site that has multiple and free soft wares 4 ubuntu
[22:04] <kingnebex> any one please......
[22:04] <MestreLion> kingnebex: me too... it's called Software Center... it's amazing, more than 30 THOUSAND software... all for FREE!
[22:04] <ChristopherNg> kingnebex: what is the problem?
[22:04] <MirkoKa> kingnebex: Linux is not Windows. We handle sofware differently. Lean to use the Package Manager (Software Center or System -> Aminstration -> Synaptic)
[22:04] <ozzy_> is 12.04 coming with optional gnome 3 shell
 software center aint enough
[22:05] <MestreLion> kingnebex: you browse, click "install", and bang! new free (and safe) software installed!
[22:05] <ChristopherNg> kingnebex: what are you trying to install?
[22:05] <mrflibble> lol @ MestreLion
[22:05] <zvacet> kingnebex:  is http://www.linuxalt.com/ what you are looking for
 im lookn 4 cool games
[22:06] <ozzy_> is 12.04 coming with optional gnome 3 shell?
[22:06] <ChristopherNg> kingnebex: linux is not the best for cool games
[22:06] <escott> ozzy_, gnome-shell has been available since 11.10
[22:06] <ChristopherNg> i use linux for everything other than gaming.
[22:06] <ChristopherNg> talking of which has anyone ever used steam on linux? without wine?
[22:07] <ozzy_> try some wine and cool windows games
[22:07] <MestreLion> kingnebex: linux is not great for games, although there are some amazing ones at Software Center... and there's also Wine, which runs most windows games perfectly
[22:07] <ChristopherNg> lol@perfectly
[22:07] <bkc_> ChristopherNg: without wine, glhf, it's win/mac only :/
 im nt usin linux....im using ubuntu 11
[22:07] <nklsbjegkljbge> i have 240GB of data I need to move out of the way for a few hours and the only disks available are 2 160GB usb hdds.  Ubuntu is a Linux distro... sorry to dissapoint you
[22:08] <ChristopherNg> haha
[22:08] <ChristopherNg> I think kingnebex is trolling
[22:08] <bkc_> MestreLion: actually... it's a gnu/linux distrobution ;)
[22:08] <escott> nklsbjegkljbge, it would be easier to split the mounts /sdb1 on /media/disk and sdc1 on /media/disk/subfolder
[22:08] <mrflibble> nklsbjegkljbge: you need to be careful with jbod - if u loose one of the drives, u will lose everything
[22:08] <MestreLion> bkc_: very true... it's a GNU/Linux/Gnome distro
[22:09] <bkc_> MestreLion: gnome has nothing to do with it :)
 hahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[22:09] <MestreLion> ChristopherNg: I'm sure he is... there's no other reason to repost a line because he typed "3" instead of "4" when he actually meant "for"
wat do u mean by that?
[22:10] <ozzy_> is 12.04 coming with optional gnome 3 shell
[22:10] <MirkoKa> No, it's a GNU/Linux/Unix/BSD/MIT/X11/whatever-else-I-have-forgotten-to-mention-and-recognize NON-FREE distro. scratch that ;-)
[22:10] <ozzy_> sry repost
[22:10] <escott> ozzy_, YES its in 11.10
[22:10] <MestreLion> but it is fun to relax before entering recovery mode.... takes the stress away after my mess up with groups :P
[22:10] <wylde> !nounity | ozzy_
[22:10] <bkc_> ozzy_: ubuntu 12.04 has unity iirc :)
[22:11] <ozzy_> I HATE UNITY
[22:11] <reader_> hai , how to know the remote login activity on my  ubuntu ?
[22:11] <Firebolt> ozzy_, you don't need to use caps :)
[22:11] <bkc_> ozzy_: your not alone, but please don't yell ^^
[22:11] <imbezol> reader_: type "who"
[22:11] <zvacet> ozzy: you can always switch de
[22:12] <wylde> kingnebex: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=troll
[22:12] <MestreLion> bkc_: it sure does.. if we admit it is fair to include GNU due to the basic software provided, and not name the distro after the kernel alone, would be fair to include the DE too, since it plays a major part in user's life
[22:12] <bkc_> MestreLion: gnu is a hard-dep, gnome isn't :)
[22:12] <ozzy_> its just because unity crashed my ubuntu and i had to reinstall whole system because compiz hates unity too.
[22:12] <MestreLion> bkc_: true
  thanx
[22:13] <imbezol> ozzy_: i'm sure you could have fixed it rather than reinstalled
[22:13] <reader_> imbezol, I mean log file
[22:14] <imbezol> reader_: there's /var/log/auth.log or /var/log/syslog
[22:14] <ozzy_> i ran it from usb disk and i think that was the problem too
[22:16] <Sarrous> Can you recover a external drive? its saying boot sector error.
[22:17] <imbezol> Sarrous: when trying to boot off it? or you're seeing the error somewhere else?
[22:17] <meganerd> Sarrous: it depends on what is wrong with it
[22:17] <bob_> does one have to be concerned with the dns malware thats in the news?
[22:17] <Sarrous> imbezol: when I'm booting off it
[22:18] <imbezol> Sarrous: you could try booting off a recovery or utility type CD so that you can work on it
[22:18] <meganerd> bob_: What DNS malware
[22:18] <imbezol> Sarrous: CD's like the one you can download at partimage.org often have good tools to try to do something with it
[22:18] <Sarrous> meganerd: not sure whats wrong.
[22:18] <meganerd> Sarrous: I am big fan of systemrescuecd as well as the Ubuntu Rescue Remix
[22:18] <Quann_Quan> why is it bad to use the root account?
[22:18] <bob_> http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/04/23/hundreds-thousands-may-lose-internet-in-july/
[22:19] <imbezol> Sarrous: you may be able to just fix the boot sector, rewrite the partition table, etc.. depending on what's up with it
[22:19] <Sarrous> imbezol & Meganerd: thanks
[22:19] <bkc_> Quann_Quan: because if you fuck something up by mistake, there's no going back ^^
[22:19] <seeergiu-dev> hello
[22:19] <Quann_Quan> o.o
[22:19] <seeergiu-dev> can anyone please say, what date is today?
[22:19] <imbezol> Sarrous: if it's more serious.. there are tools like ddrescue to try to copy the disk to a file which you can then do recovery operations on but that gets a bit advanced
[22:19] <zvacet> Quann_Quan:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[22:19] <Quann_Quan> how do i make a new account?
[22:19] <escott> Quann_Quan, it reduces your security model to that of windows 95
[22:20] <meganerd> or XP
[22:20] <Guest2302> seeergiu-dev: april 23rd?
[22:20] <ProfessorBacon> yeah but who makes payloads for windows 95??
[22:20] <Sarrous> imbezol: if it comes to it i'll restall refresh.
[22:20] <bkc_> meganerd: of win7 :/
[22:20] <Quann_Quan> oh haha sorry for the nooby question i just got linux
[22:20] <meganerd> bkc_: win7 actually gets it mostly right, better than Linux
[22:20] <reader> imbezol, when I typed 'who  -a'  it shows LOGIN tty4 tty5 tty3 .... and all what is that means ? is anyone logged in tty4, tty5 etc
[22:20] <pangolin> bkc_: Please, no swearing in here
[22:20] <meganerd> Quann_Quan: it is a valid question
[22:21] <bkc_> meganerd: I'd like to have a discussion about that topic, but it's offtopic in here ;)
[22:21] <bkc_> pangolin: sorry, my bad :(
[22:21] <imbezol> reader: tty is usually your local sessions. try this: 'ps fauxw | grep tty4'
[22:21] <meganerd> Quann_Quan: the news rarely understands what is going on, so it can be challenging to properly assess your own risk
[22:21] <imbezol> reader: that will show you the username and the process that's creating that login instance
[22:21] <meganerd> bkc_: not enough time for that OT today :)
[22:22] <zvacet> Quann_Quan: click on dash and type users accounts and there you can create new user
[22:22] <imbezol> reader: if the process is something like ssh, then it's remote
[22:22] <bkc_> reader: ctrl+alt+f1->f7 has tty's connected to them :)
[22:22] <Quann_Quan> assess at my own risk?
[22:23] <meganerd> Quann_Quan: when something hits the news it is usually big, from that you assess your own risk.  This is really OT here.
[22:23] <bkc_> Quann_Quan: it's fox-news... they lie :)
[22:24] <reader> imbezol, It shows " root      1010  0.0  0.0   1976   456 tty4     Ss+  01:00   0:00 /sbin/getty -8 38400 tty4" but I'am logged in as another user ! ?
[22:25] <imbezol> reader: that's because the getty process is running as root. when you log into it, it switches to the username that's logged in
[22:25] <zvacet> bkc_ : or fbi invited us to visit their web site clever guys  :)
[22:25] <imbezol> reader: if you do just "ps fauxw" then look you'll see the process "hanging" off that getty
[22:25] <escott> reader, getty just waits on the ttys to run the login application. thats normal
[22:25] <bkc_> zvacet: ^^
[22:26] <reader> imbezol, escott,bkc_, thanks!
[22:26] <zvacet> bkc_ : nice try isn´t it  ;)
[22:26] <bkc_> zvacet: indeed it is, but futile I tell you, futile... :)
[22:27] <zvacet> bkc_ : yes bur we are ot now so that is it back to support
[22:28] <MestreLion> wow guys, while researching for the rationale behind each group, look at what i've found: http://localhost:631  amazing!!! :D
[22:28] <bkc_> zvacet: not that many questions atm so going a bit OT shouldn't be a problem ^^
[22:29] <MirkoKa> MestreLion: you know what localhost is, don't you? ;-)
[22:29] <reader> imbezol,  One more problem , every time I try to connect  xchat  the network manager got restarted why it is restarting every time ? is there any Suspicious process running that?
[22:29] <MestreLion> how come I've never stumbled on this before? ok, ok, if this is obvious old news, sorry... but i never knew cups had a web interface
[22:29] <zvacet> bkc_ : I see but there is channel for that kind  of talk
[22:29] <MestreLion> yes MirkoKa.. and I'm amazed it enables a web admin interface by default
[22:30] <mint> tekno909
[22:31] <MestreLion> I guess lpadmin is more than justified :P
[22:31] <MirkoKa> MestreLion: it's just a CUPS thing. CUPS installs a web-server for the config. has nothing to do with user groups.
[22:31] <HelenB> Kubuntu wont answer my question but I want to know why things like websites, videos and music and pictures make my CPU go high on my netbook no matter what software I use to load them. I use Kubuntu 12 and my CPU shoots upto 90%.
[22:32] <reader> bkc_,  One more problem , every time I try to connect  xchat  the network manager got restarted why it is restarting every time ? is there any Suspicious process running that?
[22:32] <MestreLion> MirkoKa: it is tied to the lpadmin... you can't change settings in that web interface unless you are in lpadmin
[22:32] <HelenB> I can play music fine but if I load something like a webpage up my CPU will go high.
[22:32] <bkc_> reader: xchat works fine on my computer w/ nm. I'd look elsewhere :)
[22:32] <HelenB> I have a Dell Inspiron 1011
[22:32] <MestreLion> HelenB: flash perhaps?
[22:32] <HelenB> MestreLion, no
[22:33] <HelenB> All I want is for my CPU to STOP going high!
 u r a realy funny guy
[22:33] <reader> bkc_, I mean is there any other program restarting it ?
[22:33] <MirkoKa> HelenB: which browser? what plugins/addons? how many  tabs?
[22:34] <HelenB> MirkoKa, chromium but firefox and other web browsers have the same effect.
[22:34] <HelenB> This isn't just web browsers it's media players too
[22:34] <bkc_> reader: no idea, don't have your logs ^^
[22:34] <HelenB> and image viewers
[22:35] <Sarrous> HelenB: what site you looking at or is it all sites
[22:35] <bkc_> HelenB: what desktop-manager are you using?
[22:35] <bkc_> Sarrous: it's not just websites, it's *everything*
[22:35] <Sarrous> bkc ah right
[22:35] <HelenB> Sarrous, Most sites.
[22:35] <pangolin> HelenB: 12.04 support in #ubuntu+1
[22:35] <bogen> thanks, you guys solved my problem, and it wast nothing you said
[22:35] <reader> bkc_, can u guide me to how to check those process in ubuntu
[22:35] <NurseDad> after installiing the PPA for ubuntu -tweak how do I install the program
[22:35] <HelenB> bkc_, Obviously KDE.
[22:36] <MirkoKa> HelenB: does it happen for everything which is somehow "graphically" intense?
[22:36] <bkc_> HelenB: that computer will never be able to run kde ^^ it will be slow as f*
[22:36] <reader> NurseDad, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install
[22:36] <HelenB> bkc_, It runs KDE fine.
[22:36] <NurseDad> tks
[22:36] <HelenB> it's fast
[22:36] <HelenB> the cpu is at 10%
[22:37] <bkc_> HelenB: and then you start something ^^
[22:37] <HelenB> but when i open up a media file/webpage it shoots up to 100%
[22:37] <bkc_> ntfs-partition?
[22:37] <HelenB> So it's NOT KDE! lol
[22:37] <pangolin> it is off topic and I am going to remove you if you don't move this to #ubuntu+1 right now.
[22:37] <HelenB> no ext3
[22:37] <reader> NurseDad, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install  ubuntu-tweek
[22:37] <bkc_> pangolin: what's off-topic?
[22:37] <HelenB> pangolin, fine
[22:37] <NurseDad> reader thank you
[22:38] <pangolin> HelenB: thank you.. bkc_ 12.04 the dev release is not supported in this channel until it is released
[22:38] <wylde> kingnebex: how so? Seemed to me you wanted an explanation of the term.
[22:38] <bkc_> pangolin: sorry, missed that she said kubuntu 12 :/
[22:39] <MirkoKa> could have been said a little less agressive
[22:41] <craigbass1976> Is there a way to make shift+numpad1 = "highlight everything until the end of the line" instead of 1 ?
[22:41] <craigbass1976> Sorry... On a laptop keyboard
[22:43] <auvajs> hello I try to install Ubuntu on a brand new laptop with just FreeDos preinstalled. but the live cd crashes after start.. strange screen shows up.. I have a video of it if you are insterested..
[22:44] <bkc_> auvajs: link to video?
[22:44] <escott> !nomodeset | auvajs
[22:44] <auvajs> bkc_: http://www.uloz.to/xMsxM9W/img-0004-mp4
[22:45] <bkc_> auvajs: one that doesn't involde 100k registrations ^^
[22:45] <auvajs> bkc_: you can download it for free just type the captcha letters
[22:46] <keshix> quit
[22:46] <bkc_> auvajs: and that would be "Stàhnout" ?
[22:46] <auvajs> bkc_: stahnout means download. but I uploaded it to youtube so wait till it processes
[22:47] <auvajs> bkc_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdGzDDrDU7s&feature=youtu.be does it already work?
[22:48] <bkc_> auvajs: yes
[22:48] <auvajs> bkc_: very strange screen.. no idea.. it
[22:48] <bkc_> auvajs: that's the graphics-mode :)
[22:49] <auvajs> it's ubuntu-12.04-beta2-desktop-amd64.iso but I have the same result with ubuntu-11.10-desktop-amd64.iso too
[22:49] <bkc_> auvajs: take it to #ubuntu+1 as they probably know more about it :)
[22:50] <jey> is there some place I can download the vmlinuz file for a stock Ubuntu kernel? i.e. the uncompressed kernel binary that has all the symbols still in it
[22:50] <jey> i mean vmlinux, not vmlinuz
[22:51] <bkc_> jey: why would you want that? :P
[22:51] <wylde> !kernal | jey
[22:51] <jey> bkc_, so I can profile my kernel using oprofile
[22:52] <wylde> !kernel | jey
[22:52] <MirkoKa> auvajs: no answer, but google for "lenovo prefix set". it seems that there's a 64bit v.s 32bit issue
[22:54] <iHarp> hey guys
[22:55] <iHarp> Question: How can I make my kernel aware of a new video driver that I have downloaded without screwing anything up.?
[22:55] <iHarp> I understand that it isn't as easy as copy paste.
[22:55] <bkc_> what driver?
[22:56] <jey> specifically when I profile my system when it slows down i see that 40% of the time is spent in the kernel, so I want to see if I have some bad  driver or something
[22:56] <jey> that is, profiling with oprofile
[22:56] <Steevca> When i opet dash home,and when i click to view all installed apps,and try to scroll down i get some "lag" after the third scroll.
[22:57] <iHarp> bkc_: NVIDIA-Linux-x86-177.82-pkg1
[22:57] <bkc_> iHarp: just run the installer :)
[22:57] <bkc_> but really... 177 :/
[22:57] <iHarp> cool. thanks
[22:57] <jey> seems there's a ddebs repo with the debug symbols, I'll try that
[22:57] <szal> 177?
[22:57] <iHarp> bkc_: What's wrong with 177?
[22:57] <bkc_> iHarp: I'd suggest installing the latest driver (295.40) as it is more stable and less memory-hungry :)
[22:58] <szal> did they update the 173?
[22:58] <bkc_> ooh... legacy... nm...
[22:58] <bkc_> iHarp: 195 is the latest legacy iirc
[22:58] <iHarp> Sweet. I'll check it out. thanks for the input.
[22:59] <bencc> what does this means in a package? is it unstable? crtmpserver (0.0~dfsg+svn611.1-2) http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/crtmpserver
[22:59] <bencc> what is 0.0~dfsg
[22:59] <EvilResistance> bencc:  might ask the devs of that package
[23:00] <jey> the kernel debug symbols package is 639 mb?! wow
[23:00] <bencc> EvilResistance: I thought it might be a naming convention dfsg
[23:01] <MirkoKa> bencc: version numbers are so absolutely and highly project and even developer dependent that it is impossible to have a general convention. ask the developers
[23:01] <sarahS> I'm trying to set up a virtual host on ubuntu 11.10, and for some reason, my virtual hosts seem to be getting Options -Indexes directives from "somewhere else."  That somewhere else is not apache2.conf or sites-enabled/000-default.  Does anybody here have any insight to share?
[23:01] <Annie> Hello! I need some help: Cannot login after installing the 12.04 beta
[23:01] <jrib> !precise | Annie
[23:01] <iHarp> bkc_: (195.36.24 Certified) Sound good?
[23:03] <Annie> jrib well unity is not installed and whatever wm i try to use from the logonscreen it just flashes some text and send me back to the logon screen..
[23:03] <iris> I have a questionn
[23:03] <jrib> Annie: support for 12.04 is in #ubuntu+1 until final release
[23:03] <iris> Does Wubi causee Ubuntu to be really slow?
[23:03] <iris> Or is it just my dual boot crappy Dell.
[23:03] <escott> iris, wubi will be slower
[23:04] <iris> Ok So how do I uninstall it?
[23:04] <iris> from WIndows.
[23:04] <iris> *Windows.
[23:04] <bkc_> iris: iirc wubi loopback-mounts a ext3-fs from a ntfs-partition... in what way will that not be slow ^^
[23:04] <iris> bkc what the bloody hell does that mean.
[23:05] <MirkoKa> IME, wubi wan't all *that* slow. slower yes, but not that much that it affected normal operation.
[23:05] <iris> Excuse my language, I was told to come here from ##NewBoston where swearing is moderatel allowed.
[23:05] <bkc_> iris: that means it's going to be slow as fudge ^^
[23:05] <iris> Software center crashes all the time.
[23:05] <iris> So does Chromium.
[23:05] <escott> iris, some people do manage to use wubi so they must find it fast enough, so your hardware might just be slow to begin with, but wubi will be slower than running directly on the disk
[23:06] <MirkoKa> iris: to uninstalling wubi should work similar to uninstalling every window app IIRC
[23:06] <iris> So how do I delete it? I have a CD.
[23:06] <iris> I don't have to uninstll partitions?
[23:06] <escott> iris, i think you just delete the wubi folder and uninstall the wubi application
[23:06] <bkc_> iris: it's just like installing MS office ^^
[23:06] <iris> Just the program file?
[23:06] <bkc_> escott: no!
[23:06] <escott> iris, there is no partition
[23:07] <iris> So, how would I remove the partition?
[23:07] <bkc_> add/remove programs
[23:07] <christhisisgool> to uninstall wubi, you just do it like any other app
[23:07] <christhisisgool> in windows
[23:07] <bkc_> what he said
[23:07] <bkc_> ^
[23:07] <iris> Uninstall Wubi, but will it show up to install either?
[23:07] <iris> I mean select when you boot?
[23:07] <christhisisgool> please be clearer on what you mean
[23:08] <chull2058> how do I locate Ubuntu files I have downloaded while on Ubuntu, through windows if I am using Windows at that time?
[23:08] <MirkoKa> iris: wubi doesn't create a partition, that's the whole point of it. just remove it using Start -> Control -> Software
[23:08] <iris> The dual boot screen.
[23:08] <iris> Okay. Thanks.
[23:08] <iris> That was helpful.
[23:08] <gateway2006> Hello, I am new to all of this - I don't know if I am using the correct channel -  but hope you can recommend the correct channel or a solution.  I have installed 11.10 and it works great - except that it does not recognize my Marvell 88E8057 wireless card - the card works when using XP.  nm-tool shows that the driver (sky)is there but unavailable. Can someone suggest the next step in troubleshooting?  Marvell does offer a Lin
[23:08] <iris> Now should I install using my 11.04 disk or make a 12.04 disk.
[23:09] <christhisisgool> oh, if you uninstall the wubi from add remove programs then the boot screen will automatically go away
[23:09] <iris> Okay, thanks.
[23:09] <iris> What I wanted to know..
[23:09] <hypershock> gateway2006: have tried searching google for "ubuntu 11.10 marvel"?
[23:09] <iris> Not very good with partitions.
[23:09] <wangor> how to start a server/service just after reboot on an ubuntu server? is placing a .conf file in /etc/init/ the only way to go? seems to me my web server starts even though I can't find it there
[23:09] <iris> Do any of you code?
[23:09] <gateway2006> not yet - but will do it!
[23:09] <christhisisgool> iris: probably want to go with 12.04, which is due to be released sometime soon ( think its the 26th) rather than a version that is almost dead.
[23:10] <iris> Ok.
[23:10] <christhisisgool> iris: if bash counts, then yes! if not, then i guess i have some experience with html and c++
[23:10] <christhisisgool> but nothing major
[23:10] <iris> Should I wait till Thursday or do the beta? And it is the 26.
[23:10] <christhisisgool> i would wait until thursday
[23:10] <christhisisgool> just to make sure its stable
[23:11] <MirkoKa> chull2058: either use a program like http://www.fs-driver.org/ or better, boot ubuntu and copy/move the files to a windows partition. then, to prevent further trouble, change your ubuntu download location to a windows drive
[23:11] <chull2058> Ok thanks MirkoKa
[23:12] <iris> I do Java, and am learning C/++/ASM. I plan too learn Python before I turn 15 though.
[23:12] <iris> Thanks everybody for the help.
[23:12] <iHarp> How to properly shutdown an X server?
[23:12] <hypershock> chull2058: to save time, when you are in ubuntu, you could mount your windows partition, and then link over the directories you need access too. That way you can put all of your downloads, docs, music etc into a common folder between both operating systems.
[23:13] <escott> iHarp, sudo service lightdm stop
[23:13] <iHarp> ty
[23:13] <iris> So is anyone here >=13?
[23:13] <christhisisgool> iris: what do you mean?
[23:13] <iris> I mean <=13.
[23:13] <iris> Under or equal to 13.
[23:13] <hypershock> iris: are you 13?
[23:13] <christhisisgool> in age?
[23:13] <iris> Yeah.
[23:13] <iris> 12 actually.
[23:13] <christhisisgool> oh, well im a year older than that
[23:13] <iris> In 2.5 months I am 13.
[23:13] <christhisisgool> or not
[23:13] <christhisisgool> 14
[23:14] <chull2058> hypershock, Great Idea - Thanks!
[23:14] <hypershock> yeah, we were all 13 at one time.
[23:14] <MirkoKa> iris: that is offtopic here. but age doesn't count. turned 36 on sunday ;-)
[23:14] <iris> Well currently.
[23:14] <iris> Sorry just curious.
[23:14] <chull2058> ugh I turn the big 40 in July :(
[23:14] <christhisisgool> how do you shutdown a x server if you are using something other than lightdm?
[23:15] <hypershock> chull2058: that's nothing, wait until your teeth fall out.
[23:15] <christhisisgool> such as gdm?
[23:15] <meganerd> christhisisgool: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[23:15] <meganerd> christhisisgool: or kdm
[23:15] <chull2058> haha, you are right about that.
[23:15] <christhisisgool> thanks
[23:15] <iris> Bye Ubuntu enthusiasts, thank you for your help.
[23:16] <yamal> hola
[23:16] <hypershock> christhisisgool: btw, hitting ctrl alt del, your ubuntu system will pick that up and restart everything for you too.
[23:16] <yamal> algun español?
[23:16] <mrflibble> thanks guys, time for me to go
[23:16] <MirkoKa> !es | yamal
[23:16] <christhisisgool> i wasnt looking to restart the whole system, just log out of a x server that was started from a command line
[23:16] <linuxjones> hello all, i am pretty new to linux and have run into a problem, i have had this laptop for quite some time, and have had everything running fine, well i havent started it for a while so yesterday i booted her up and had some updates to install, so i installed them and played around with some stuff, and when i got home from work today i booted it up and now i only have read access to everything in my own home folder, are there any kn
[23:16] <linuxjones> own issues leading to this or did i mess something up?
[23:16] <easytiger> can one add a sudo option so a user can only install packages? or is there a group for it
[23:16] <escott> hypershock, nozap has been set in xorg for a while now
[23:16] <wangor> help, how to start services/servers just after reboot? is /etc/init the only way to go? seems to me my web server isn't there, yet it does start after reboot.
[23:17] <yamal> no puedo instalar paquetes x86 en mi ordenador que tiene ubuntux86 alguien me lo explica? en el ubuntu software center me dice que error de arquitectura
[23:17] <christhisisgool> linuxjones: try to log in as root and then change all of the permissions that way
[23:17] <hypershock> escott: really, cause I have no problem rebooting my system by hitting that combo using 11.10
[23:17] <christhisisgool> by typing in sudo su
[23:17] <christhisisgool> then nautilus
[23:17] <christhisisgool> in the terminal
 sudo su </code> <code> nautilus </code>
[23:18] <MirkoKa> wangor: see chkconfig
[23:18] <hypershock> escott: yeah, just tried it, it intercepts and asks me what to do, with a timer, and if i don't respond, it continues with the reboot.
[23:18] <escott> hypershock, ahh sorry thought you said ctrl-alt-backspace
[23:18] <christhisisgool> oops thought for a moment that this would take html
[23:18] <wangor> thanks
[23:18] <hypershock> escott: aye and that explains why that don't work, so i learned something today. :)
[23:19] <wylde> christhisisgool: that's not the recommended way to get root in ubuntu. 'sudo -i' will do it.
[23:19] <unfreenode> hello
[23:19] <linuxjones> christhisisgool, well in the permissions tab of the properties it says i have read & write but i dont, delete is greyed out and everything
[23:19] <hypershock> christhisisgool: if you want to do stuff like that use pastebin and send the channel the link.
[23:19] <linuxjones> christhisisgool, will that make a difference?
[23:20] <escott> christhisisgool, if you startx then you close your last xterm or if you have a session manager then you close that and x closes
[23:20] <iHarp> help!
[23:20] <iHarp> sorry. wrong chat
[23:21] <christhisisgool> ok thanks guys.
[23:21] <christhisisgool> oh, and linuxjones, no it shouldnt matter whether you use that or not
[23:23] <keithisit> Ex-Chat
[23:23]  * hypershock notes that when you think this is better than cybering, the you might be a geek!
[23:38] <linuxjones> im back! this may be a dumb question, but is there a way to restore my computer to a fresh install of ubuntu without actually reinstalling?
[23:39] <bkc_> linuxjones: not that I know of, that would be to purge everything and the reinstalling them again :)
[23:39] <simplew> can i install kde in ubuntu?
[23:40] <quetzal> simplew: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[23:41] <linuxjones> ok thank you
[23:43] <KommaH> Hey everyone.
[23:43] <KommaH> Is there a /var/log that contains segfaults?
[23:45] <MirkoKa> KommaH: no. segfaults are immediate and critical failures of a process, unless there is some monitoring process there is no chance to catch and log a segfault. what problem are you facing
[23:45] <KommaH> MirkoKa: Ah, just trying to help a developer debug a sneaky bug.
[23:45] <KommaH> Application quits with no error whatsoever. We think it might be due to a segfault.
[23:47] <KommaH> Well, anyways, thanks for the help. We'll probably wind up using gdb. Just wondering if there was a shortcut.
[23:47] <skel> KommaH: have you tried running it in strace?
[23:47] <KommaH> Ta-ta for now.
[23:47] <KommaH> Hm? Never used strace before.
[23:47] <MirkoKa> KommaH: segfaults should be reported to stderr. if there is nor error message at all, then either it's no segfault, or the program behaves really, really, bad. strace, ltrace or a debugger should help
[23:48] <KommaH> Thanks so much for the helpful advice. Props to MirkoKa and skel!
[23:50] <Sedativ> hello
[23:50] <Sedativ> can anyone help me, I'm ina bit of a jam
[23:51] <daftykins> !ask | Sedativ
[23:52] <Sedativ> I have a problem with my ISP ... I have to change my IP address on one of my servers as fast as possible, and change it in Apache and Bind as well ... can anyone give me some advice?
[23:52] <milamber> Sedativ: gnudip
[23:53] <SolarisBoy> Sedativ: whats the problem you have?
[23:54] <simplew> why do is needed 13o mb to install konversation???
[23:54] <Sedativ> well first I need to add a subnet to my router ... I have bought the ips since last year but ... I can't manage to set them up on my router ... and then I need to figure out a way to change the ip on my server wihtout any down time
[23:54] <simplew> why do is needed 130 mb to install konversation???
[23:55] <daftykins> simplew: KDE program, so it needs all the KDE libraries
[23:55] <christhisisgool> simplew: programs take up space
[23:55] <christhisisgool> and what he said ^
[23:55] <bkc_> daftykins: It's not kde, it's Qt :)
[23:55] <simplew> it did NOT showed, told me that what packages were neeeded to install, neither asked me if i wanted to install any needed packages,  what packae management tool is this???
[23:56] <MirkoKa> simplew: because it's a KDE program and Ubuntu ships only with Gnome by default, so you need to install the basic QT/KDE libs too
[23:56] <bkc_> simplew: it's a simple one...
[23:56] <simplew> It did not told me nothing!!!
[23:56] <simplew> it did not asked me nothing!!!
[23:56] <daftykins> bkc_: baaaaah. what's the distinction?
[23:56] <simplew> the distintion?!? well i would prefer not to install if it neded all those packages!!!
[23:56] <bkc_> Qt == graphics-lib, KDE = Desktop-manager :)
[23:56] <christhisisgool>  the purpose of a package managment tool is to make sure that you have all the dependencies without having to go and find them yourlself.
[23:57] <meganerd> simplew: what did you use to install the package?
[23:57] <christhisisgool> so, if you would rather hunt down all of the deps yourself, then you can go without package management
[23:57] <simplew> so far all the package management tools asked me if i wanted to continue with the isntalation where there was more packages to install, in which this is clrearly not the case
[23:57] <simplew> what a crpa
[23:57] <simplew> crap*
[23:58] <dniMretsaM> simplew: what program did you use?
[23:58] <meganerd> simplew: don't blame the tool...
[23:58] <simplew> im using ubuntu app to manage packages
[23:58] <simplew> named: Ubuntu Software Management
[23:58] <meganerd> simplew: if you want finer grained control, you can use apt-get or aptitude
[23:58] <MirkoKa> simplew: personal opinion: don't use the software center. it's broken in so many ways. use Synaptic.
[23:58] <Sedativ> could someone please prv me for my problem? I'm having trouble following this chat
[23:58] <christhisisgool> agreed with mirkoka
[23:58] <simplew> MirkoKa: yes its a crap
[23:59] <simplew> it should always ask user to continue the isntalation or not
[23:59] <meganerd> simplew: MirkoKa works fine for most people I know
[23:59] <meganerd> simplew: really?  It should?
[23:59] <simplew> yes it should
[23:59] <simplew> a normal manager would
[23:59] <simplew> so far all the ones i used did asked
[23:59] <meganerd> simplew: for me perhaps, but this is perhaps not the best approach for everyone
[23:59] <simplew> ALWAYS


[08:33] <sakhi> moonings
[08:53] <acherv> hi @all
[08:55]  * acherv have the problem with his connection in ubuntu
[08:58] <Kilos> morning superfly and all ya others
[08:59] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[08:59]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[08:59] <superfly> heya Kilos
[08:59] <superfly> how are you?
[08:59] <Kilos> hi acherv
[08:59] <Kilos> well ty superfly  and you
[09:00] <superfly> kannie kla nie want niemand luister nie ;-)
[09:00] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[09:01] <Kilos> i see some new faces here and lotsa missing ones. whats happening
[09:01] <superfly> life
[09:01] <Kilos> we were in the 40's at one stage
[09:03] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[09:03] <Kilos> oh then thats ok. hope its not peeps leaving ubuntu
[09:03] <Kilos> Maaz, dankie baie
[09:03] <Maaz> Geniet jou koppie boeretroos Kilos
[09:03] <superfly> Kilos: I doubt it... people leaving ubuntu wouldn't come into this channel ;-)
[09:04] <Kilos> lol
[09:04] <Kilos> maverick is great
[09:04] <Kilos> 3 weeks to a month now with everything working
[09:09] <acherv> Kilos: hi
[09:09] <acherv> Kilos: i was to a phone
[09:10] <acherv> my problem: I cannot work with my Cell c
[09:11] <Kilos> eish
[09:12] <Kilos> have you got the new cell c modem
[09:21] <acherv>  yes
[09:21] <acherv> Kilos: sorry It is a phone disturb me
[09:22] <Kilos> np
[09:23] <acherv> Kilos: do you get me
[09:23] <Kilos> you having probs with a cell c phone?
[09:24] <Kilos> or just cell c?
[09:25] <Squirm> mornint
[09:25] <Squirm> morning\
[09:25] <Squirm> morning
[09:25] <acherv> It is huawuai
[09:26] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[09:26] <acherv> i' d like to connect in Internet that
[09:26] <acherv> Squirm: hi
[09:26] <acherv> but it isn't worj=king
[09:27] <Kilos> fone cell c help line and tell them and they will give you directions on how to set the settings acherv
[09:28] <Kilos> they have all the instructions and fone types on pc in front of them
[09:28] <acherv> Kilos:  I do that but they say that they the Cell C key don't work in Linux
[09:29] <Kilos> fools
[09:29] <acherv> Kilos: ?
[09:30] <Kilos> lets think a bit. i used cell c about 16 months ago
[09:31] <Kilos> i think i used a windows pc and they gave me all the settings and then the network maneger on ubuntu was easy after that
[09:31] <Kilos> manager
[09:32] <Kilos> or you can try the huwaai help line
[09:32] <Kilos> huawuai
[09:32] <acherv> ok
[09:33] <Kilos> how are you cvonnected to here now
[09:33] <Kilos> connected
[09:34] <Kilos> what actually happens when you plug the fone into the pc
[09:34] <Kilos> does the os see it?
[09:35] <Kilos> maybe as a storage device
[09:42] <acherv> yes i connected now but i use wondows
[09:42] <acherv> windows sorry
[09:58] <Kilos> ok and the fone works
[09:59] <Kilos> you get online?
[09:59] <Kilos> now take it to your ubuntu machine
[10:00] <Kilos> it is ubuntu hey?
[10:15] <Kilos> lo smorar
[10:15] <superfly> Kilos: he's using a Cell C USB modem, not a phone
[10:16] <Kilos> oh ty superfly  do they also sometimes only be seen as storage devices till they set up
[10:16] <Kilos> i know little about modems
[10:17] <Kilos> just know my boets one and ians one work here np
[10:17] <superfly> Kilos: the last time I plugged in a Cell C USB modem it just worked
[10:17] <Kilos> yeah so they should
[10:20] <Kilos> has he been on before superfly  or maybe just installed ubuntu and doesnt know how to activate the network manager
[10:21] <superfly> Kilos: he's not the first person I've heard having an issue with the cell c modem
[10:21] <superfly> I think they changed the model
[10:21] <Kilos> eish
[10:23] <superfly> "master oogway" hrm, where is that from... ah! Kung Fu Panda
[10:25] <Kilos> hiya confluency
[10:30] <confluency> Hi, Kilos.
[10:32] <nlsthzn-work> greetings all...
[10:33] <nlsthzn-work> the UAE is finally going a bit more official with there loco... so they know have #ubuntu-za channel :)....
[10:34] <nlsthzn-work> ... and we (they) would like to know more about bots, especially awesome ones like maaz... any links or resources available?
[10:34] <tumbleweed> nlsthzn-work: ibid.omnia.za.net
[10:36] <nlsthzn-work> tumbleweed: thank you :)
[10:42] <tumbleweed> marcog: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-April/032890.html
[10:43] <marcog> wow
[10:43] <marcog> any general response to that? i dont feel like reading through all the replies
[10:43] <tumbleweed> lots of responses
[10:45] <tumbleweed> general agreement, with niggles
[10:46] <marcog> as in, keep unity?
[10:46] <queery> so would it be better to just stick with GNOME for this release?
[10:46]  * nlsthzn-work likes the unity
[10:46] <tumbleweed> marcog: yes
[10:47] <tumbleweed> queery: GNOME is still available from gdm
[10:47] <marcog> i don't mind a slightly broken release, there should be reason to keep people on LTS releases
[10:47] <queery> I know, but i don't have time now to try and figure out bugs, so is unity going to be too time consuming for me to install with?
[10:48] <queery> isn't 04 the LTS
[10:48] <tumbleweed> 04 is LTS on even years
[10:48] <queery>  oh ok
[10:49] <queery> that's why im confused
[10:49] <tumbleweed> unity is cool, but it does break some stuff and has been crashing a bit
[10:49] <queery> hmm
[10:49] <queery> ill try it after I handed in my thesis...
[11:10] <nlsthzn-work> ironically enough I has many less crashes a few updates back than now in natty :/
[11:10] <nlsthzn-work> *had
[11:12] <tumbleweed> that's normal :) stability comes in waves
[11:22] <nlsthzn-work> tumbleweed: we needs a tsunami me thinks :)
[11:37] <Kilos> hehe hiya nlsthzn-work
[11:37] <Kilos> hi tumbleweed
[11:37] <tumbleweed> hi
[11:44] <nlsthzn-work> hey uncle Kilos
[12:09] <nuvolari> hi guys, anyone using 11.04 yet? if so, is it stable enough to trust for a production laptop+
[12:09]  * nuvolari is overdue, still on 10.04
[12:09] <nlsthzn-work> nuvolari: nope
[12:10] <nuvolari> meh ok
[12:10] <nuvolari> thanks nlsthzn-work
[12:10] <nlsthzn-work> have been using since alpha and I have suffered through it
[12:10] <nlsthzn-work> but it can be frustrating when it crashes right when you are on your busiest
[13:32] <Kilos> nuvolari, havent you got 10.10 yet?
[13:32] <Kilos> its great
[13:32] <nuvolari> Kilos: nope
[13:32] <Kilos> methinks better than 10.04
[13:32] <nuvolari> did not have the time to upgrade yet oom
[13:32] <Kilos> eish
[13:38]  * superfly always upgrades
[13:39]  * nlsthzn-work seems to always install the OS before it is released, and move on once it is stable :p
[13:45] <nlsthzn-work> http://freedomdreams.co.uk/code/beard/ :)
[14:00] <queery> one way to get your face out there
[14:04] <nlsthzn-work> queery: lol
[14:27] <rodemire> Hallo evryone
[14:27]  * nlsthzn-work waves
[14:28] <rodemire> Is there a way i can download repois from the interenet and use them offline on a PC at home?
[14:28] <rodemire> *repos
[14:29] <nlsthzn-work> rodemire: yes (but I am not sure how...)
[14:31] <rodemire> How do i go about it? I have uncapped broadband at work and i want to update my PC at home, but this is for updates from system updates to apps updates
[15:01] <queery> you can try to use aptoncd
[15:02] <queery> I have only heard of people using it
[15:02] <queery> do you have an ubuntu workstation at work
[15:02] <queery> sorry for the late answer rodemire
[15:20] <superfly> queery: aptoncd doesn't do what he wants
[15:27] <nlsthzn-work> superfly: I was also thinking aptoncd as I had heard of it before (but couldn't remember the name)... but you say it won't work?
[15:28] <superfly> not for an offline version of the repository
[15:29] <drubin> Why do people email ubuntu-za-owner for support queries?
[15:29] <drubin> make drueben sad
[15:29] <superfly> http://tumbleweed.org.za/2010/10/09/release-party-ubuntu-mirror
[15:30] <superfly> nlsthzn-work, queery, rodemire: ^^^
[15:30] <nlsthzn-work> superfly: oh cool... never actually looked what aptoncd was for... neat but not what was needed...
[15:31] <nlsthzn-work> superfly: awesome... initially I was thinking it is a bit early for the release party :p
[15:36] <nlsthzn-work> home time for IR... cheers all... see you later
[15:39] <queery> that could work too
[15:39] <queery> gege
[15:40] <marcog> drubin: seen something similar before, wish you could silently redirect it
[15:40] <queery> *hehe
[15:41] <queery> and drubin who is drueben?
[16:20] <kodez> afternoon guys. is there an ubuntu launch party planned for Natty Narwhal in Pretoria
[16:20] <queery> yes
[16:21] <queery> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/864/detail/
[19:03] <nuvolari_> :>
[19:03] <nuvolari_> lo
[19:04] <nuvolari_> my patience has been rewarded at last
[19:04] <nuvolari_> lo sdehaan
[19:06] <nuvolari_> anyone compared OpenOffice and LibreOffice recently?
[19:07] <nuvolari_> LibreOffice feels a lot faster
[19:07] <nuvolari_> from the previous version
[19:07] <nuvolari_> bbiab


[00:00] <tomreyn> in this case, it could certainly help to describe the mac model more closely, as well as the kubuntu version you downloaded (ideally also the name of the downloaded file, and even where you downloaded it from), and how you tried to prepare the installation media with what you downloaded.
[00:01] <gunner603> ok let me check
[00:01] <tomreyn> https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/create-a-usb-stick-on-macos may be relevant.
[00:02] <gunner603> the model is the macbook 4.1 i belive
[00:02] <tomreyn> https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/install-ubuntu-desktop is for standard ubuntu, but should be similar to kubuntu.
[00:03] <gunner603> ill give that a try thanks
[00:04] <tomreyn> macbook4,1 would be an early 2008 intel core 2 duo T8100 or T8300 CPU with either 1 GB or 2 GB RAM.
[00:04] <tomreyn> expandable to 6 GB, but only 4 GB supported by apple
[00:05] <tomreyn> how much ram is installed?
[00:06] <gunner603> idk im terrible with computers is the bus have anything to do with ram
[00:07] <gunner603> i did see intel core 2 duo
[00:07] <tomreyn> to do, yes, but it doesn't tell us how much you have, ignore the ram question for now. but unless you added more ram you won't appreciate kubuntu on this system, i think.
[00:09] <gunner603> got you so i would need to add more ram is there any other softwares i can download to atleast make the computer run better or even get on the internet
[00:11] <tomreyn> i assume you will be able to install and use kubuntu on it, it just wont be a very good experience
[00:12] <tomreyn> xubuntu and lubuntu flavors *may* require less resources.
[00:13] <gunner603> do you know how to find how much ram i have on this computer
[00:13] <tomreyn> there's also this, but it'S more complicated, since you'd start with a headless installation: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems
[00:14] <tomreyn> i'm not really into macs, so can't really say how to check what hardware is installed.
[00:14] <gunner603> see il try and click your links and it says this website in unavaillbale
[00:14] <tomreyn> if you are able to boot an ubuntu installer, you can run this in a terminal:   free -g
[00:15] <tomreyn> what are you running on this system now? still some old os x?
[00:15] <gunner603> i see why these computers are just difficult they want you to just buy there new shit which sucks i like this old school style
[00:15] <gunner603> yes
[00:15] <tomreyn> i assuem you have some "about this mac" or something on the apple logo top left
[00:16] <tomreyn> maybe this will tell you how much ram is installed
[00:16] <gunner603> yes
[00:16] <gunner603> im on that now
[00:16] <gunner603> i dont see anything to do with ram tho
[00:17] <tomreyn> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT203001
[00:17] <tomreyn> ah you probably wont be able to access this either
[00:18] <tomreyn> "Choose Apple menu  > About This Mac. This opens an overview of your Mac, including your Mac model, processor, memory, serial number, and version of macOS."
[00:18] <tomreyn> "To see the greater detail provided by the System Information app, click the System Report button."
[00:19] <tomreyn> "To open System Information directly, press and hold the Option key and choose Apple menu  > System Information."
[00:19] <gunner603> i actually was able to
[00:19] <gunner603> and thats the screen i was actually just looking at i just dont know what ram is
[00:19] <tomreyn> oh, that's Memory
[00:20] <gunner603> oh wow i have 1 g it says
[00:20] <tomreyn> well, that's not really much,
[00:21] <tomreyn> maybe you can access https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems from some other computer or smartphone.
[00:21] <gunner603> okay il check it out
[00:22] <tomreyn> but a better option may be to sell this computer (for parts, i guess) and replace it by a current or second hand one.
[00:24] <gunner603> yeah this seems like it could be a little to much for me to handle i just dig the old style so i wanted to see if i could get it going
[00:25] <gunner603> hey one more question, do you know if its possible to convert into being able to use the new mac software?
[00:25] <gunner603> like if i had a newer mac parts are fine screens cracked could i swap the parts?
[00:26] <tomreyn> the integrated graphics chipset with this one is very, very low spec, it has a classic slowly rotating hdd, the cpu is out of support and likely has unpatched security flaws, and most of all the ram is not really enough for anything but running ubuntu server or a very light-weight desktop.
[00:26] <tomreyn> this is a kubuntu support channel, i don'T think this is the right place to discuss this.
[00:27] <gunner603> hey well i really appreciate your help i was running in circles for a while trying to find answers so i really appreciate it
[00:28] <tomreyn> but my understanding is that apple is big in planned obsolescence
[00:29] <tomreyn> so dont get your hopes up on running a newer OS X on it
[00:31] <gunner603> understood thanks s
[00:31] <tomreyn> you're welcome
 hi guys, anyone in here can help me to upgrade kubuntu 18.04 lts to 20.04 lts?
 i was follow this link
 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FocalUpgrades/Kubuntu
 but still can't upgrade
 any idea?
 this did not work?  sudo do-release-upgrade
 As the link mentions, ensure your system is updated before running (sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade)
 (Photo, 596x426) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/WQ2nGvdc/file_34250.jpg
 yes
 but still not working
 as on my screenshoot
 Run: sudo software-properties-qt
 On the updates tab, ensure Show new distribution releases is set to "Long term support release only"
 @DarinMiller, root@gunks-pc:/home/gunks# sudo software-properties-qt … sudo: software-properties-qt: command not found
 didn't found the command
 oh this: sudo software-properties-kde
 if not installed, sudo apt install sudo software-properties-qt
[02:25] <valorie> @Agung535 I believe the upgrade will be available Very Soon
[02:26] <valorie> we're just now testing the 20.04.1 update
 Oh, yes!  I forgot it was waiting on a package (or two)...
 (Photo, 611x490) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/UukK8RRw/file_34251.jpg this my default configuration.,
[02:27] <valorie> a grub2 bug was exposed and retesting everything slowed it a bit
[02:27] <valorie> after the patch I mean
[02:28] <valorie> @DarinMiller I hope you came back all relaxed and happy
[02:28] <valorie> @Agung535 you'll get the upgrade very soon
 @valorie, oke, i will wait, because i'm the kubuntu fans 😊
[02:29] <valorie> as I just said above
[02:29] <valorie> :-)
 Thanks Valorie! Visited my son in North Carolina and rode bikes in the Blue Mountains for 4 days.  So quite happy and refreshed.
[02:29] <valorie> oh that sounds lovely
[06:52] <user|95591> hi
[06:52] <user|95591> hi
[06:53] <user|95591> how do i upgrade my ubuntu gnome 20.04 to kubuntu 20.04
[07:40] <nolann> всем привет, как убрать граб? ничего не помогает. в etc/default/grub Grub_timeout стоит 0, а он всё равно 30 секунд на экране при загрузке
[07:46] <tespi> user|95591: install the kubuntu-desktop package
[11:19] <user|49059> system requirements for kubuntu
[11:22] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:32] <diogenes_> !requirements | user|49059
 Hello
 I have a problem on Kubuntu 18.04. … since a few days ago I dont get any GUI when starting normally and when going via recovery mode I can get the Login screen, but it freezes down when I log in after entering my password and hitting enter. … in case it helps the Laptop has the internal GPU of an i3 7002U and a Radeon 520
[11:50] <BluesKaj> !nomodeset | @ My1xT
 it worked since August of Last Year but I'll check. … in case it helps the Laptop model is HP 17-BY0320NG
 although I think I tried and got the login screen but not past that issue
 Should i delete the radeon.modeset=1 tho as they sound like they would conflict
 Also it did work out of the box since August 2018. … Anyway i just hammered that in. Went to the login screen and after login screen is black with mouse arrow and hdd light doesn't seem to do anything.
 It frankly ran like a tank for almost 2 years and out of nowhere this goes all weird.
 that day when it broke I just rebooted and then there was no GUI anymore on the screen.
[16:13] <hamza> anyone here?
 yes
[17:14] <eeos> hi all. Why is not possible to uninstall vlc from 18.04?
 "sudo apt remove vlc" does not work?
[17:14] <eeos> daddy32-M: well, nope .... it tries to install:
[17:15] <eeos> libsmbclient libuchardet0 mpv python3-pyxattr rtmpdump samba-libs smplayer smplayer-l10n smplayer-themes youtube-dl
[17:15] <eeos> sorry, DarinMiller.
[17:15] <eeos> so, if I run apt purge vlc, I cnnot unistall unless I install all those packages in exchange. But that is not what I would like to do.
[17:16] <eeos> DarinMiller: I would simply like to remove vlc from apt, and substitute it with the vlc from snap.
 try: sudo apt remove vlc smplayer
[17:18] <eeos> DarinMiller: that would live the configuration files. I wold like to purge.
 correct purge will cleanup everything
[17:19] <eeos> DarinMiller: anyway, just tried issuing the command you suggested, and I get the error :
[17:19] <eeos> E: Unable to locate package smbplayer
 smplayer
[17:22] <eeos> DarinMiller: thanks tried, but it asks to install even more packages!
 ??? what is going on... hmmm, checking my 18.04 vm....
[17:23] <eeos> DarinMiller: I tried by purging all packages that the system would like to install ....
[17:24] <eeos> DarinMiller: It worked!
[17:24] <eeos> DarinMiller: I issued the following command:
[17:24] <eeos> apt purge vlc libsmbclient libuchardet0 mpv python3-pyxattr rtmpdump samba-libs youtube-dl smplayer gir1.2-peas-1.0 gir1.2-totem-1.0 gir1.2-totemplparser-1.0 grilo-plugins-0.3-base libgmime-3.0-0 libgom-1.0-0 libgrilo-0.3-0
 very good.  But strange it wanted to fight the removal.
[17:25] <eeos> DarinMiller: very strange!!!! Maybe a bug on dependencies?
[17:25] <eeos> DarinMiller: anyway, thanks a lot for your help ....
 Possibly that is the intended behavior, I will have to check the packaging...
[17:26] <eeos> DarinMiller: that sounds even stranger for an LTS .... what if I have an installation where removal of the player is required?
 My 18.04 vm did not offer to install anything when VLC was removed...
[17:26] <eeos> DarinMiller: or what is I would like to have the player come from snap or flatpak?
[17:27] <eeos> DarinMiller: weird!
 I am not too familiar with flat pack vs snaps.  So I am not able to recommend one over the other.  Looks like each have vlc v 3.011.
[17:37] <th4ntis> I've seen a lot of random things on which is better between snap vs flatpack and such. Everyone says if you can install it through the systems package manager, to do that first, if not i've seen a mjority suggest Flatpack over snap for various reasons.
[17:38] <th4ntis> I dont know much about it myself but thats a majority of what i've seen.
[17:38] <eeos> DarinMiller: I have installed it through snap, it works well.
 very good, thanks for the feedback.  Did you have an issue with th e 18.04 version?
[17:41] <eeos> DarinMiller: I could not update to 3.0.11 and wanted to test some issues on conversion
[17:42] <eeos> DarinMiller: thanks for everything in any case! It is incredible that vlc does not package anymore for Linux, not even AppImage .... grrrrrrrr!
[18:31] <akasic> good afternoon ppl. i try to install wmufo, but once I type make, that error comes: Perhaps you should add the directory containing `libgtop-2.0.pc. i found the lib archive but dont know where to link it to make that old program work
[20:50] <stryker_> hello
[20:50] <stryker_> why does this look more '90s on linux mint
[20:52] <stryker13> @everyone
[21:24] <Hanii> When I'm installing kubuntu, can I choose where it installs grub? I installed on one drive, swapped it out, went to install it on another and it can't. It looks like it installed grub on my windows drive instead of the drive I was installing kubuntu on.
[21:24] <memphisto> boot from livecd and install grub where you like
[21:28] <memphisto> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#via_the_LiveCD_terminal
[21:29] <memphisto> there are multiple options, but i only used the one with "via the LiveCD terminal" label
[22:45] <Hanii> But the kubuntu installer would wipe the drive anyway in the process of installing kubuntu?
[22:45] <Hanii> and that wouldn't stop it from installing grub elsewhere?
 Don't install a new OS, just drop to a terminal and install grub to your desired drive.