[02:31] <bluesabre> late evening all
[02:40] <branau> Howdy bluesabre
[02:43] <bluesabre> heya branau
[02:44] <branau> How goes it?
[02:45] <bluesabre> exhausted
[02:45] <bluesabre> went hiking for first half of day, then shopping for the other half
[02:45] <bluesabre> Fitbit says I have 17.3 thousand steps today
[02:45] <bluesabre> :'(
[02:46] <branau> Well I'd say you had a productive day!
[02:46] <bluesabre> loooooooooong
[02:46] <bluesabre> but good :D
[02:46] <Unit193> bluesabre: Nice on the first bit!
[02:47] <branau> Where'd ya go hiking at?
[02:48] <bluesabre> http://bernheim.org/
[02:51] <branau> Oh hey, I used to live in Louisville
[02:51] <bluesabre> cool
[06:47] <branau> Hey knome, you online?
[06:55] <pleia2> usually not this time of day, he's in finland :)
[06:56] <pleia2> best to catch him early in the day, he sleeps during our evenings/nights
[06:56] <branau> pleia2 isn't it kinda late for you too?
[06:56] <branau> I'm looking at 1am here haha
[06:57] <pleia2> 11pm here
[06:58] <branau> Oh that's not too bad. Any chance you've got a good email to reach knome at? I was going to head to bed for the night but I wanted to give him a head's up on the status of the wallpaper contest site
[07:01] <pleia2> he posts to the xubuntu-devel mailing list, you can grab his address there :)
[07:01] <pleia2> I also recommend subscribing to it yourself if you haven't
[07:01] <Unit193> Yeah but he's an odd Finnish.
[07:01] <pleia2> not very high traffic, lots of useful posts
[07:01] <branau> Cool, thanks. I'll subscribe to it
[07:01] <branau> Unit193 I know how the Finns are, I lived in Finland for a year
[07:02] <branau> Not far from Helsinki actually
[07:02] <branau> I went there every weekend haha
[07:02] <Unit193> So, TN and Finland, ok.
[07:02] <branau> TN?
[07:03] <Unit193> Erm, KY, close! :P
[07:05] <branau> Haha yeah
[07:05] <branau> I'm 21 y/o and I've moved ~~25 times
[07:05] <branau> Life's an adventure
[07:12] <Unit193> Wow.
[07:12] <Unit193> Ohio? ;)
[07:15] <branau> Nope haha never lived there. I was born in CA, and lived in OR, ID, NV, KY, and IN for the USA. Internationally I've lived in Finland, and currently live in Mexico
[07:15]  * Unit193 → ot
[10:55] <dkessel> bluesabre: font feedback: i changed noto to size 10. otherwise it was too small. but i am running a fairly high resolution for the screen size, so hey... i guess 9 should be fine for most other people
[10:56] <dkessel> other than that, i noticed nothing which would be against noto
[15:28] <bluesabre> thanks dkessel
[15:29] <bluesabre> knome: so far good or acceptable feedback
[17:25] <branau> knome, you around?
[18:04] <flocculant> !team | just in case any of you don't know (I didn't) or someone asks - seems that when booting images now - no warning about disk size (as long as it's big enough) nor internet availability
[18:08] <pleia2> knome: re: thread about storing the MD5SUMs on our website, it may be it's time for that http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=2994
[18:08] <pleia2> could happen with any of our mirrors, obviously
[18:09] <pleia2> so it may be time for us to store a canonical series of hashes somewhere trusted over https
[18:15] <flocculant> I saw that too
[18:32] <Nairwolf> hi, I'm not an expert, but I've seen that even with https, the problem would be the same
[18:32] <Nairwolf> I've heard that md5 isn't a good solution if you want to avoid collision
[18:33] <pleia2> the chances of collision are not within the realm of seriousness
[18:33] <pleia2> so I'm not ready to give up on hashes
[18:34] <pleia2> and no, the problem is not at all the same
[18:34] <Nairwolf> But, unless I'm wrong, if a bad guy wants to corrupt xunbut isos, he will have to being able to create a corrupted iso (but which still works in order to be installed) WITH the same md5. It's almost impossible
[18:34] <Nairwolf> I agree with you pleia2
[18:34] <Nairwolf> about https, I don't really know
[18:34] <pleia2> well, https just means you are trusting the source :)
[18:35] <Nairwolf> sorry, in fact, my participation isn't really usefull ;)
[18:35] <pleia2> if someone hacks your website you're in trouble either way, since you'd be trusting a bad thing
[18:35] <Nairwolf> oh, yes, I've just checked, there is not https at xubuntu.org
[18:35] <pleia2> you can use https on xubuntu.org, but we don't make it default
[18:35] <Nairwolf> ok, I understand
[18:36] <Nairwolf> are you sure ? I have the https-everywhere extension
[18:36] <Nairwolf> if it's https, it should be actived
[18:36] <pleia2> yes, we've had this discussion a few times
[18:36] <pleia2> it is activated, we just don't send people there by default
[18:36] <Nairwolf> why ?
[18:37] <pleia2> it's new, site is faster without it, didn't find immediate value
[18:37] <Nairwolf> My Firefox tells me he blocked some non-secure element
[18:37] <Nairwolf> But, I don't which ones
[18:37] <Nairwolf> faster, really ? How much ?
[18:37] <pleia2> that too, links to some http resources, you can look in the page source to find them
[18:37] <knome> pleia2, tbh, canonical should just do that in cdimage or wherever they want to push their SUMS
[18:38] <knome> pleia2, seems silly to duplicate effort for all flavors individually
[18:38] <pleia2> Nairwolf: the same as any http to https speed difference, I'm not being innovative over here :
[18:38] <pleia2> :)
[18:38] <pleia2> knome: probably
[18:39] <pleia2> knome: and maybe we link to their list that lives over https?
[18:39] <Nairwolf> yes, but I've read the difference isn't so much high
[18:39] <pleia2> we don't need to do it ourselves
[18:39] <knome> pleia2, exactly.
[18:39] <pleia2> knome: wfm
[18:39] <knome> pleia2, since they essentially create the ISOs...
[18:39] <pleia2> yep
[18:39] <knome> ...they should be the source for the sums too
[18:40] <pleia2> yeah, they are really, we'd just be copying from them
[18:40] <knome> because a xubuntu website admin can be evil too, and people with tin foil hats don't like that possibility
[18:40] <pleia2> hah
[18:41] <pleia2> we only have as much protection as the security record of wordpress :)
[18:41] <knome> which is... well, not too bad, but..
[18:42] <knome> but as i said, when building ISOs, the canonical build servers should push the sums to a central place that is easy to link to
[18:42] <pleia2> yeah
[18:42] <knome> it doesn't take any space, they are already doing the sums too
[18:42] <pleia2> that would be optimal for us
[18:42] <knome> and for all other flavors
[18:42] <pleia2> plus, we wouldn't have to update the link all the time
[18:42] <knome> or in other words, the world peace
[18:42] <pleia2> hehe
[18:43] <knome> yes, it could be a release specific link
[18:43] <knome> tbh, just pushing the current *SUMS files in the same directory structure even in a HTTPS host would be god enough
[18:43] <knome> err, good
[18:43] <pleia2> yep
[18:44] <knome> how do we want to escalate?
[18:44] <pleia2> wondering if we should just poke our -release friends first to see what they think
[18:44] <knome> IS ticket, or talking to release team, or community team?
[18:46] <knome> tomorrow is more likely to work for -release poking
[18:46]  * pleia2 nods
[18:46] <knome> Unit193, is the core issues still stalling?
[18:46] <knome> -s
[18:46] <pleia2> there's no rush really, the mint thing just kind of hit home :)
[18:46] <pleia2> I have an airplane to get on soon
[18:47] <knome> yeah, no worries
[18:47] <knome> we were on a party essentially the whole day
[18:47] <pleia2> fun
[18:47] <knome> mm, not bad
[18:49] <branau> knome! How goes it?
[18:49] <knome> branau, not bad
[18:49] <branau> Have you seen the email I sent you?
[18:50] <knome> i got your email but haven't had a chance to react or look at the site yet
[18:50] <knome> (though please share the stuff publicly in the channel too if you don't specifically want to avoid that)
[18:50] <branau> Gotcha, well I'm going to go ahead and set up the voting now, the submissions and moderation of them are ready to go though
[18:50] <branau> Sounds good
[19:14] <Unit193> < knome> because a xubuntu website admin can be evil too <---  Yes, I certainly am.  But a good evil.
[19:16] <knome> :P
[19:16] <knome> like dexter?
[21:19] <flocculant> branau: so how goes it then?
[21:29] <knome> branau, i looked at your code, and even logged in to your site via openid. a few comments:
[21:30] <knome> branau, you don't assign a default role to the new users automatically, so i'm unable to do the actions you have set for the custom "competitor" role you registered
[21:31] <knome> branau, partially related to the latter; please use the launchpad-openid extensions (i'll dig a link up for you in a second); this both removes the requirement to actually write your openid address when logging in (and at the same time, disables "normal" logging) but also allows you to set the role based on the team memberships the user has
[21:31] <knome> branau, the latter solves the problem of giving special permissions to people who should be allowed to do something else than just submit
[21:32] <knome> branau, here's the link: https://launchpad.net/wordpress-openid-integration
[21:33] <branau> knome yep, totally spaced the default role. That's a quick fix though. And I'll switch out that plugin too so I can test it. We're you able to log into the admin though and fix your role so that you could test the image submission?
[21:35] <knome> i didn't yet have time to set it up for myself
[21:36] <branau> knome I'll fix your role then rel fast so you can check that out
[21:48] <knome> branau, if you enabled something on the demo site, then it didn't work
[21:49] <branau> knome I tried to set the defualt role to competitor and for some reason it didn't save, I'll have to debug when I'm on front of my computer again (currently I'm on my phone) but I'll check your role real quick
[21:50] <knome> sure, as long as it works on the final site
[21:52] <branau> Knome you can test now
[21:52] <branau> Your role has been fixed
[21:53] <knome> will do in a bit
[23:23] <knome> branau_, we don't have any license/attribution input fields, how have you planned to do those?
[23:23] <knome> branau_, also, is this restricted to one submission per user?
[23:25] <branau_> knome the license was an oversight, I can add it in, shouldn't be a problem. This is currently restricted to one upload per user, but I'll double check it
[23:25] <branau_> What other attribute fields would we want?
[23:26] <knome> we want "attribution" eg. the name the user wants to be attributed with if they win
[23:27] <knome> the license, which should really be a two-step process
[23:27] <knome> or with two options:
[23:27] <knome> 1) cc-by-sa
[23:27] <knome> 2) other, specify: ____
[23:27] <knome> and each user should be able to submit as many images as they want
[23:28] <knome> or at least >1


[07:48] <dholbach> good morning
[10:14] <bkerensa> sladen: Any chance of seeing a Ubuntu 125x125 web badge with the latest design guidelines?
[10:15] <MrChrisDruif> A 125x125 web badge with the "latest" design guidelines? Where can I find those guidelines bkerensa ?
[10:17] <MrChrisDruif> Do you mean the COF with that web badge btw?
[10:20] <bkerensa> MrChrisDruif: http://design.canonical.com/the-toolkit/ubuntu-brand-guidelines/ and yeah just a badge so bloggers and contributors can advocate on their blog for Ubuntu.... I have a Mozilla badge for instance
[10:21] <MrChrisDruif> Have they changed recently?
[10:22] <MrChrisDruif> Something like twibbon for adding to someone's avatar?
[10:26] <bkerensa> well the only one I could find was on Spreadubuntu and it uses the old logo
[10:27] <MrChrisDruif> I've used something like twibbon to add the COF to my avatar on facebook
[10:33] <bkerensa> nice
[10:48] <MrChrisDruif> So it's already out there, but not always as user-friendly as you'd want
[10:55] <bkerensa> But that is for avatars and not mean as a 125x125 web badge for blogs
[10:56] <bkerensa> http://affiliates-cdn.mozilla.org/media/uploads/banners/download_beta_small.png
[10:56] <bkerensa> thats what I mean something inviting
[10:58] <MrChrisDruif> bkerensa; can't you use this svg to make a 125x125 png? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UbuntuCoF.svg
[19:42] <czajkowski> wendar: we're going to be busy on panels at fosdem
[22:54] <sladen> bkerensa: could you clarify, a pre-rendered PNG @ 125x125  and do you want CoF, or Word mark, or just the text?
[22:55] <sladen> bkerensa: or a banner
[23:02] <czajkowski> sladen: you coming to FOSDEM ?
[23:04] <bkerensa> sladen: I was think a banner with the wordmark and some sort of text that said maybe Try Ubuntu today or something
[23:13] <sladen> bkerensa: so more like a blog advert banner etc
[23:13] <MrChrisDruif> Ah, a bit like that firefox icon you showed yesterday?
[23:15] <bkerensa> sladen: Yeah like Mozzilla pushes for their FOSS products
[23:16]  * bkerensa would rather advertise FOSS then actually sell products on his blog for instance
[23:24] <sladen> bkerensa: http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-branding/+filebug?field.title=Wishlist:+advert+banners+for+blogs+in+standard+sizes
[23:25] <sladen> bkerensa: and list the sizes that you're after, and what you'd like to see in them (if there are standards for these, can you link to them too)
[23:26] <bkerensa> k


[05:12] <robru> oh god
[06:58] <Mirv> :(
[07:01] <robru> yeah
[07:03] <Mirv> robru: I've noticed that log disappearing before too on restarts, funny that the logs would be there but not shown
[07:03] <robru> Mirv: yeah
[07:05] <robru> Mirv: I just realized that all the diffs are inaccessible too, so I'm trying to get #is to tar them up for us so we can get to them
[07:07] <robru> Mirv: so, WATCH_ONLY is gone, but if you're in a pinch and really need to regenerate diffs on a silo, you can add a phony source package, build that package in PACKAGES_TO_REBUILD, and when it runs the diff phase it diffs everything, then just drop the package from the silo config after that. but hopefully we'll get all the diffs and it won't be necessary
[07:07] <robru> Mirv: or if the silo happens to have a manual source, just put that one in PACKAGES_TO_REBUILD and it'll do it
[07:10] <Mirv> robru: oh right, thanks for the trick.
[07:11] <robru> Mirv: I really don't want to bring back WATCH_ONLY but it seems like I'm going to need to provide some method of just regenerating diffs without rebuilding the packages.
[07:16] <robru> Mirv: no luck from #is, apparently there's too many to feasibly tar them up, and it's difficult to grab just the latest one
[07:29] <Mirv> robru: ok then
[07:30] <robru> Mirv: actually he just made a tarball and it's only 340MBs...
[07:49] <Mirv> ^ that's a first since March when the silo was started for vivid...
[07:49] <Mirv> mostly because no sense to work on the -gles packages before they are really needed
[07:50] <Mirv> but surely there were some months of other build failure too, and then reappearing new build failures with new toolchains etc
[08:02] <robru> Mirv: hmm? what's a first?
[08:07] <Mirv> robru: first time silo 012 was fully and succesfully built
[08:08] <Mirv> all packages that are meant to land from there
[08:09] <robru> Mirv: oooooh
[08:13] <robru> yowza
[08:28] <robru> Mirv: so uh, you gonna land ticket 20 then? Would be great to get that one out the door eh? ;-)
[08:39] <Mirv> robru: possibly next week :) it's starting to be as good as it's going to get at this point
[08:40] <robru> Nice
[09:20] <popey> Mirv, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/710 is the clock update ticket for QA as requested yesterday.
[09:35] <Mirv> popey: great!
[09:35] <Mirv> popey: what about the dropping letters?
[09:35] <popey> next on my list Mirv
[09:36] <Mirv> thank you
[09:43] <diwic> hi, I click "Create new request" and get an error 401 - what team should I be a part of, and who can make me part of such a team?
[09:55] <john-mcaleely> sil2100, ^ ?
[09:56] <brendand> diwic, it would be ci-train-users
[09:58] <brendand> diwic, ci-train-ppa-service is the admin: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+members#active
[09:59] <john-mcaleely> Mirv, does that mean you can help add diwic?
[10:00] <diwic> brendand, thanks, looking
[10:01] <diwic> all core devs are members of that team it seems like
[10:02] <brendand> diwic, yeah should be lots of people who can do it
[10:02] <brendand> diwic, unfortunately not me :(
[10:02] <Mirv> john-mcaleely: yes, diwic should just highlight "trainguards" so that we notice it more easily
[10:03] <john-mcaleely> :-)
[10:03] <popey> Mirv, dropping letters is done
[10:05] <diwic> trainguards: you are hereby highlighted
[10:05] <Mirv> diwic: ok, you're now part of the ci-train-users team
[10:05] <Mirv> diwic: try again
[10:05] <Mirv> popey: \o/
[10:05] <robru> diwic: log out and log back in though
[10:05] <Mirv> diwic: \o/
[10:05] <diwic> Mirv, thanks, working now
[10:06] <robru> diwic: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/citrain/LandingProcess documentation is here
[10:07] <diwic> robru, thanks, I'll try to follow it
[10:08] <robru> diwic: you're welcome!
[10:19] <rvr> jgdx: ping
[10:23] <jgdx> rvr, pong
[12:19]  * sil2100 off to lunch
[12:46] <Elleo> sil2100 / robru: any idea what's causing the "not in PPA" errors for some (but not all) packages in silo 17?
[13:12] <Saviq> rvr, hey, just ACKed the two branches, silo 5 should be good for testing
[13:13] <rvr> Saviq: Ah, good
[13:13] <Saviq> they were just missing top-ack after some tweaks
[13:14] <rvr> Saviq: I already installed it, and was checking every merge proposal in the (large) list
[13:16] <Saviq> rvr, yeah, we like our large silos ;)
[13:18] <rvr> Saviq: This one also lacks top approval https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/clazy_run/+merge/278326
[13:18] <Saviq> rvr, oh sry
[13:19] <jibel> rvr, jgdx I'm failing silo 39. It doesn't fix the crash.
[13:20] <rvr> jibel: Ack
[13:21] <jgdx> higgins, ack
[13:21] <jgdx> jibel, ack
[13:21] <jgdx> jibel, could you do apt-cache policy libsystemsettings1 ?
[13:22] <jgdx> just to confirm
[13:22] <jibel> jgdx, you're right to not trust me ;) http://paste.ubuntu.com/13526210/
[13:25] <jgdx> jibel, looks good though!
[13:28] <jibel> popey, I approved the clock app
[13:28] <popey> jibel, thanks :) I saw and uploaded it to the store.
[13:29] <jibel> popey, great, thanks
[13:35] <Mirv> thanks p & j for clock!
[13:40] <jibel> xavigarcia, silo 6 looks good, approved
[13:41] <jibel> xavigarcia, I found one configuration that doesn't really make sense and needs design input: 'disable GPS' and select 'GPS only' in location settings.
[13:41] <jibel> xavigarcia, I'll file a bug it is an existing case.
[13:42] <jgdx> cihelp: I'm seeing "UbuntuClientIntegration: connection to Mir server failed. Check that a Mir server is
[13:42] <jgdx> running, and the correct socket is being used and is accessible. The shell may have
[13:42] <jgdx> rejected the incoming connection, so check its log file"
[13:42] <jgdx> (sorry) and wondering what to do
[13:43] <jgdx> cihelp: it's happening in a lot of system settings jenkins autopilot jobs
[13:44] <jgdx> phablet-test-run never (on 4th run now) reproduces the issue
[13:45] <xavigarcia> jibel: cool, thanks!
[13:45] <xavigarcia> jibel: yeah, I saw that as well
[13:52] <jibel> xavigarcia, bug 1520580 for info
[14:06] <morphis> sil2100: what does happen if we have a vivid only and a dual landing MP in a silo?
[14:07] <morphis> does that work and land the vivid only manual upload to the overlay ppa only and the MP to both overlay and xenial?
[14:13] <kenvandine> jibel, rvr: the crash you guys found in silo 39, that isn't a regression
[14:13] <kenvandine> i just reproduced that with ubuntu-system-settings 0.3+16.04.20151109-0ubuntu1
[14:13] <kenvandine> different bug
[14:13] <jibel> kenvandine, it is the crash the silo is supposed to fix
[14:13] <kenvandine> no
[14:13] <kenvandine> i've never seen that crash
[14:19] <jibel> kenvandine, without the silo it's https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/d3f94da4-9505-11e5-9c7f-fa163e525ba7 corresponding to bug 1519046 which is the bug attached to the MP
[14:19] <jibel> kenvandine, and with the silo it crashes with the same test case (retracing failed unfortunately)
[14:20] <jibel> kenvandine, so that bug is not fixed
[14:20] <jibel> kenvandine, or bug 1517254 and 1519046 are not duplicates
[14:20] <jibel> and only the first one has been fixed
[14:24] <psivaa> jgdx: Could you give me the link to the job?
[14:29] <jgdx> psivaa, one example: http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/generic-deb-autopilot-vivid-touch/5409/
[14:29] <psivaa> jgdx: thanks
[14:31] <jgdx> psivaa, filed here https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1520604
[14:31] <jgdx> psivaa, there's a ubuntu keyboard run in there as well. So it seems it's not system settings specific.
[14:37] <psivaa> jgdx: did you say you weren't able to reproduce this locally?
[14:37] <psivaa> if that's the case, just wanted to confirm, on which device you're running locally
[14:38] <jgdx> psivaa, I'm running mako locally and I can't reproduce. Elleo says he can repro sometimes during normal app launch.
[14:38] <jgdx> Elleo, what device was that?
[14:39] <psivaa> jgdx: in our case, we're  only running those tests on krillin
[14:40] <jgdx> psivaa, I know. So this would be device specific, then?
[14:40] <Elleo> jgdx: that was on a mako, I've only seen it a couple of times
[14:40] <Elleo> jgdx: no where near as frequently as seems to be happening in the tests
[14:41] <jgdx> Elleo, okay, and it seems random?
[14:41] <Elleo> jgdx: yeah, and starting the app again after it happens results in a perfectly normal launch
[14:41] <Elleo> jgdx: might be worth grepping your own app logs to see if its happened at all to you without you noticing
[14:42] <psivaa> jgdx: more likely, i can not confirm though. It would be ideal if someone runs those tests locally on krillin. Since we're not doing anything special in jenkins than how you run locally, I dont think we, in CI can do much about this failure
[14:42] <Elleo> jgdx: since unless you're looking at the logs at the time the only thing you notice is that the app didn't start when you click on it
[14:43] <Elleo> jgdx, psivaa: I'll update my krillin and set the keyboard tests going on there and see if they hit it at all
[14:43] <jgdx> Elleo, thanks!
[14:43] <psivaa> Elleo: thanks
[14:43] <jgdx> psivaa, maybe help debug though
[14:45] <kenvandine> jibel, i'm confused, rvr said when he followed the steps to test this bug it passed but it crashed when starting directly in updates with flight mode enabled, which is a different bug
[14:48] <psivaa> jgdx: hmm, I dont think I can do much here though. If there is anything infrastructure related then I could help, but this is not related to any infra setup since there are other tests that run fine
[14:48] <jibel> kenvandine, the thing is if you load the update page with an update available then turn airplane mode on it crashes with the trace in 1519046, and same with or without the silo. So either it is a different test triggering the same crash or the crash is partially fixed or the 2 crashes are not duplicates.
[14:48] <kenvandine> jibel, i'm filing a new bug for that
[14:48] <kenvandine> jibel, oh?  rvr said it didn't crash
[14:49] <jgdx> psivaa, okay
[14:49] <jibel> kenvandine, yeah I don't know why he didn't have a crash, but the crash is the same with or without the silo and whoopsie says it's the bug attached to the tiket
[14:50] <kenvandine> jibel, i can't make it crash when switching flight mode on while in the panel
[14:50] <kenvandine> i can without the silo of course :)
[14:50] <jibel> kenvandine, you need a U1 account registered and at least an update in the list
[14:50] <kenvandine> i have 3 updates
[14:51] <kenvandine> jibel, i did reproduce it with downgrading settings to what's in the overlay
[14:51] <kenvandine> but it doesn't crash when i install the silo
[14:51] <jibel> kenvandine, hm, let me try again
[14:51] <jibel> kenvandine, on which device?
[14:51] <kenvandine> arale
[14:51] <jibel> kenvandine, I didn't try on arale with the silo but krillin, I tried without the silo on both though
[14:52] <jibel> I'm retrying on krillin then arale
[14:52] <kenvandine> jibel, i did the testing from the MR on krillin
[14:52] <kenvandine> but silo testing on arale
[14:53] <kenvandine> it didn't crash on either for me
[14:53] <kenvandine> jibel, i filed bug 1520611 for the other crash
[14:54] <jibel> kenvandine, my case is slightly different, you start the update panel then enable flight mode.
[14:54] <kenvandine> yeah
[14:54] <jibel> I don't know if it makes a difference
[14:54] <kenvandine> which is what i was fixing
[14:55] <kenvandine> while it's doing a check, enable flight mode
[14:55] <kenvandine> that was triggering the crash in 1519046
[14:55] <kenvandine> jibel, what are you doing?
[14:56] <jibel> kenvandine, what I said, with the silo installed, open settings, and enable flight mode, it still triggers this bug
[14:57] <kenvandine> in which page?
[14:57] <jibel> kenvandine, in the updates page
[14:58] <kenvandine> jibel, and you said the stacktrace matches?
[14:58]  * kenvandine doesn't think that could be possible
[14:58] <kenvandine> that code path wouldn't be hit after the check finishes
[14:58] <jibel> kenvandine, no errors.u.c says it's the same
[14:59] <kenvandine> with the silo installed?
[14:59] <kenvandine> got a link to the errors page for the crash with the silo?
[14:59] <jibel> yes. I'm redoing it to double check
[15:01] <kenvandine> jibel, if that's the same crash, that's not what i was looking at while working on this bug :)
[15:01] <kenvandine> i was only working on the case where it went into flight mode(or lost network) which the check was being done
[15:01] <jibel> kenvandine, I confirmed that with the silo installed, open system-settings/updates, wait until the 3 updates are displayed, then enable flight mode, it crashes
[15:02] <kenvandine> i was getting that same crash when it was actively checking for the updates
[15:02] <jibel> confirm*
[15:02] <kenvandine> and this branch fixes that
[15:02] <kenvandine> so i need another fix for your case
[15:04] <jibel> kenvandine, https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/d23833f6-9517-11e5-b5b7-fa163e22e467
[15:05] <kenvandine> jibel, thx
[15:14] <Elleo> jgdx: here's the crash from unity8 running autopilot: http://mikeasoft.com/~mike/_usr_bin_unity8.32011.crash
[15:14] <jgdx> Elleo, asum
[15:15] <kenvandine> jibel, ok, i pushed a fix that i think should fix the case you hit, i need a build to confirm it
[15:18] <jibel> kenvandine, I was hoping it would take you more time and finish the week with empty queues of silos for QA ;)
[15:18] <kenvandine> haha :)
[15:18] <kenvandine> lets hope you still do... just with this silo landed :)
[15:19] <kenvandine> jibel, i'm confident this will fix it :-D
[15:53] <bzoltan_> ping cihelp
[15:53] <t1mp> cihelp: hello, I got failures in my MR that I think are CI related https://code.launchpad.net/~tpeeters/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/10-subheader/+merge/278713
[15:53] <bzoltan_> we have seen the same failure with  more and more MRs
[15:53] <bzoltan_> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-sdk-team-ubuntu-ui-toolkit-staging-vivid-i386-autolanding/675/consoleFull
[15:54] <t1mp> It includes errors like this: /tmp/buildd/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-1.3.1688+15.10.20151018.1bzr1733pkg0vivid1268/tests/checkresults.sh: line 53: bc: command not found
[15:55] <psivaa> bzoltan_: let me take a look
[15:55] <bzoltan_> psivaa: thank you
[16:10] <psivaa> bzoltan_: t1mp: that ^ error 'bc: command not found' appears to be a red herring
[16:10] <psivaa> what's bothering me more is the output after 'Fatal server error:'
[16:10] <psivaa> EE) Cannot establish any listening sockets - Make sure an X server isn't already running(EE)
[16:10] <psivaa> _XSERVTransSocketUNIXCreateListener: ...SocketCreateListener() failed
[16:10] <psivaa> _XSERVTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: server already running
[16:16] <t1mp> psivaa: what can cause that? The MRs are for changes in UI toolkit, no changes directly related to X
[16:16] <t1mp> the tests pass on armhf
[16:17] <t1mp> also they pass on amd64, at least for my MR
[16:25] <kenvandine> jibel, i've confirmed my fix fixes the crash in both cases
[16:31] <psivaa> t1mp: i can't think of the cause, yet. this is only happening in i386 builders. digging a little more to see if there is any history with it
[16:35] <oSoMoN> davmor2, how is the validation of silo 13 going ?
[16:36] <davmor2> oSoMoN: nearly done
[16:36] <t1mp> psivaa: okay, thanks
[16:36]  * t1mp gotta go now
[16:44] <davmor2> oSoMoN: just finished infact with the download of the next track for tubular bells :)  all present and correct qa granting
[16:51] <davmor2> sil2100: did the bot die?
[16:51] <sil2100> davmor2: which one?
[16:52] <davmor2> sil2100: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/709 passed about 8 minutes ago hasn't been flagged yet here
[16:52] <sil2100> You mean, queuebot? There was a netsplit
[16:52] <sil2100> Queuebot did not return yet
[16:53] <davmor2> sil2100: ah that would explain it then thanks :)
[17:05] <popey> sil2100, for OTA8.5 - how does it work - just like OTA(N) you pluck the latest rc-proposed and promote after QA?
[17:05] <popey> sil2100, or is there some special process which takes OTA8 and adds a few cherry picked items?
[17:06] <sil2100> popey: hey! It's a bit different
[17:06] <sil2100> popey: we prepare an OTA-8 snapshot in a PPA and cherry pick packages that we need to have in the 8.5 release
[17:06] <sil2100> So more like your second idea
[17:06] <popey> ok, so it isn't the things that are in rc-proposed now plus fixes, but ota-8 plus fixes?
[17:06] <popey> ok, good
[17:07] <rvr> Saviq: Approving silo 5
[17:07] <popey> Can we assume silo 9 will _not_ be part of that? (media-hub recent landing) ?
[17:07] <sil2100> Yes, since we want to make sure that there's only a controlled number of fixes/changes in the image we want to release
[17:07] <sil2100> I think it wasn't part of the OTA-8.5 plan
[17:08] <popey> ok
[17:08] <jhodapp> it wasn't indeed
[17:08] <jhodapp> OTA9
[17:08] <sil2100> So the music-app changes still need to wait a bit ;)
[17:09] <ahayzen> :-)
[17:25] <jibel> popey, 8.5 are all the fixes targeted to OTA9 and tagged 'hotfix'
[17:25] <popey> ooh, ta
[17:26] <jibel> and fixed of course :)
[17:45] <bzoltan_> psivaa:  could you figure out anything about that odd failure?
[17:47] <psivaa> bzoltan_:  looks like one of the nodes is misbehaving. still figuring out how. i have offlined that node so the runs are passing
[17:47] <psivaa> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-sdk-team-ubuntu-ui-toolkit-staging-vivid-i386-autolanding/
[17:50] <bzoltan_> psivaa:  nice, thank you
[17:51] <psivaa> bzoltan_: i have kicked off a couple of failed ones, it would help if you're able to rebuild any failed ones that you were waiting on.
[17:51] <bzoltan_> psivaa:  it is this one - https://code.launchpad.net/~zsombi/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/resolve_qpointer_data/+merge/278766 what I need the most
[17:52] <psivaa> right, that one is still in progress after my rebuild. thanks
[17:55] <bzoltan_> psivaa:  other ... i see this package is in the proposed pocket https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/711 Is anything holding it or should I expect to land at some point without anything?
[17:56] <psivaa> bzoltan_: since the particular node is offlined, it should not impact any more tests
[17:57] <bzoltan_> psivaa:  cool, thanks. what about that qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu landing?
[17:58] <psivaa> bzoltan_: sorry, i dont see any autolanding job for qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu?
[17:58] <psivaa> bzoltan_:  i only see qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu-ci
[17:59] <bzoltan_> psivaa:  in this silo https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/711
[17:59] <psivaa> bzoltan_: we dont deal with ci-train stuff, should be for trainguards i suppose
[18:00] <psivaa> apologies for my confusing answer before
[18:00] <bzoltan_> psivaa:  ohh, sorry :)
[18:00] <bzoltan_> psivaa:  my bad, thank you for your help with the other issue. That was a clear blocker.
[18:01] <psivaa> bzoltan_: yw :)
[19:04] <davmor2> popey: ^
[19:04] <davmor2> ahayzen: ^
[19:04] <ahayzen> \o/
[19:33] <popey> \o/
[19:33] <popey> thanks davmor2 ahayzen
[19:36] <popey> \o/ store has updated weather
[21:26] <dobey> is fginther around today?
[22:17] <dobey> trainguards: can i get someone to manually ack some autopkgtest failing that has never worked?
[22:17] <robru> dobey: what, in proposed? that's a job for #ubuntu-release
[22:18] <dobey> yes
[22:18] <robru> dobey: also proposed migration is not supposed to block on something that always failed.
[22:19] <dobey> robru: i think maybe something is wrong with how that is determined then? this fails at installing the built binaries on some archs, which i guess we didn't have autopkgtests running for until recently
[22:20] <dobey> well, one of the built binaries
[22:20] <robru> dobey: dunno then. not my area, sorry
[22:20] <dobey> ok
[22:21] <dobey> probably not the best time to be pinging people either, late on a friday, and with most US people on vacation today


[19:37] <DomasoFan> hi all. anyone knows if there is still the problem to get access to the unity 2d panel part where the status information is sitting and the volume, wireless lan and bluetooth is lucated?
[19:43] <DomasoFan> oops. my english seems to be a little bit broken today. *lol*
[19:53] <jbicha> DomasoFan: Alt+F10 doesn't work for you?
[19:57] <DomasoFan> that works. thanks. whats sometimes difficult currently i have the feeling the launcher which you open with the windows/super key does sometimes not disapear when you hit it again or hit escape.
[19:58] <jbicha> yeah, there's something wrong with the way the Windows key shortcuts work at the moment
[20:04] <DomasoFan> seems also alt+f4 has issues sometimes. seems not to close the windows sometimes. just saw in the settings window.
[20:08] <DomasoFan> but those shortcuts affect us and the sighted alike so that should be fixed anyway. but the good thing is that accessibility works now quite well in unity 2d again.


[04:56] <_vaibhav_> Hello, I missed the Ubuntu App Developer Week of march 2014. Can I get archives or ppt from somewhere?
[06:45] <dholbach> good morning
[08:53] <Aki-Thinkpad> when I started my app today, I god this
[08:53] <Aki-Thinkpad> QProcessPrivate::execChild() failed to chdir to /home/akiva/Programming/Example/build-Example-Desktop-Default/.ubuntu-sdk-deploy
[08:53] <Aki-Thinkpad> never had that before
[08:54] <Aki-Thinkpad> hmmm
[08:56] <Aki-Thinkpad> nevermind
[08:56] <Aki-Thinkpad> twas something else
[12:17] <aquarius> I have a newly installed machine, which was 13.10 and then upgraded to 14.04. I installed Ubuntu SDK after the upgrade to 14.04. When I plug in my Ubuntu phone (nexus 4), it is not recognised by the SDK IDE as a device; the SDK IDE recognises that something was plugged in, but doesn't seem to think that it's Ubuntu. Do I need to do something to enable this?
[12:17] <popey> aquarius: probably need to re-enable the ppa
[12:17] <aquarius> what?
[12:17] <aquarius> I'm on 14.04
[12:17] <popey> ppas are disabled when you upgrade
[12:17] <aquarius> I still need the ppa? :(
[12:18] <popey> yes, always use the ppa AIUI
[12:18] <aquarius> oh.
[12:18] <aquarius> that'd explain it, then.
[12:18] <popey> it's much faster to deliver updates than via the SRU process
[12:18] <aquarius> so anyone developing for Ubuntu phone on 14.04 will need to enable a PPA first?
[12:18] <popey> i believe so, that's right bzoltan ?
[12:19] <aquarius> http://developer.ubuntu.com/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/ says "Add PPAs (pre Trusty only)"
[12:19] <aquarius> ah! but maybe I need ubuntu-device-flash, or phablet-tools?
[12:20] <aquarius> that doc page seems confused
[12:20] <aquarius> Install phablet-tools:
[12:20] <aquarius> $ sudo apt-get install ubuntu-device-flash
[12:20] <aquarius> so now I don't know which to install :)
[12:20] <popey> those are the phablet tools
[12:20] <popey> "The Phablet Tools"
[12:20] <popey> are in package ubuntu-device-flash
[12:20] <aquarius> the next step is
[12:20] <aquarius> List its tools with:
[12:20] <aquarius> $ dpkg -L phablet-tools | grep bin
[12:20] <ogra_> ubuntu-device-flash is in its pwn package
[12:20] <ogra_> *own
[12:20] <popey> oh dear
[12:21] <popey> yes, that doc is wrong
[12:21] <aquarius> ubuntu-device-flash does not seem to depend on phablet-tools
[12:21] <ogra_> and all packages are in trusty ... you shouldnt need the PPA at this point of time
[12:21] <aquarius> do I need both packages?
[12:22] <ogra_> (i assume the PPA will get updated packages for truesty once there are new changes ... and that will be faster than waiting for SRUs, so using the PPA *then* will make sense ... atm you shouldnt need it though)
[12:23] <aquarius> I *think* that the doc error is just that "Install phablet-tools: $ sudo apt-get install ubuntu-device-flash" should be "Install phablet-tools: $ sudo apt-get install phablet-tools" (because you installed ubuntu-device-flash in the previous step)
[12:23] <popey> ogra_: the ppa has stuff build 5 days ago
[12:23] <aquarius> I'll file a bug.
[12:23] <ogra_> ah, then the PPA might make sense already
[12:26] <aquarius> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntudeveloperportal/+bug/1313692 filed
[12:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1313692 in Ubuntu App Developer site ""Installing Ubuntu for Devices" page is confused about package names" [Undecided,New]
[12:26] <aquarius> shouldn't ubuntu-device-flash recommend phablet-tools?
[12:27] <ogra_> why ?
[12:27] <ogra_> you dont need developer tools to flash as enduser
[12:27] <aquarius> oh, u-d-f is completely self-contained?
[12:27] <aquarius> fair enough then
[12:27] <ogra_> its a go tool :)
[12:28] <ogra_> afaik it can even run on MAC
[12:28] <aquarius> bah
[12:29] <dpm> dholbach,  do you have an idea why the click reviewers tool finds this error: "Could not find 'com.ubuntu.terminal.desktop.in'" when running over http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/click/com.ubuntu.terminal_0.5.latest_armhf.click ?
[12:29] <dpm> I've no idea where it gets the idea to look for a .in file
[12:29] <aquarius> hasn't helped. I have installed both phablet-tools and ubuntu-device-flash, and the Ubuntu SDK IDE still doesn't identify my Ubuntu phone when I plug it in :(
[12:29] <aquarius> bzoltan, ping ^^
[12:30] <dpm> dholbach, nm, I found out
[12:30] <dpm> it reads it from the manifest, which listed the wrong file
[12:35] <nerochiaro> artmello: hi, when you have some time can you review https://code.launchpad.net/~amanzi-team/gallery-app/gallery-app-flip-hint/+merge/216079 ?
[12:35] <aquarius> The "Log" tab says: "Detecting device..* there is no device connected." What prints that? So I can try and work out why it isn't working?
[12:35] <artmello> nerochiaro: sure
[12:35] <dpm> aquarius, do you have any "Ubuntu device" devices listed under Tools > Options > Devices?
[12:35] <aquarius> dpm, nope, I do not
[12:36] <dpm> aquarius, ah, I had some problems with my device last week, and deleting them from there helped me. In that case, you might want to ask zbenjamin ^
[12:37] <zbenjamin> its not picked up? thats weird, what happens after you press refresh when you plugged in your device?
[12:38] <aquarius> zbenjamin, I don't have a refresh button, I don't think
[12:38] <aquarius> zbenjamin, where should I be looking for one?
[12:38] <zbenjamin> aquarius: do you have the device mode available in QtCreator?
[12:39] <zbenjamin> aquarius: on the left side where you have , welcome, edit, design and so on, there should be also one saying Device
[12:39] <aquarius> zbenjamin, there is a devices entry on the left-hand sidebar. Clicking it shows an "Ubuntu Device" pane, with three bottom tabs: Device Actions, Emulators, and Log. Device Actions is afaict completely empty; Emulators invites me to install the emulator, and Log says "Detecting device..* there is no device connected."
[12:40] <zbenjamin> aquarius: ok plug in your device and run "abd devices -l" in a terminal+
[12:41] <aquarius> 01df8dd49ccb99f7       device usb:3-1 product:occam model:Nexus_4 device:mako
[12:41] <zbenjamin> ok so adb can see it, but why can't QtC
[12:41] <aquarius> don't know; that's why I asked :)
[12:42] <zbenjamin> aquarius: there is no "Refresh" button on the Devices tab? there should be oO
[12:43] <aquarius> http://imgur.com/iZkrGLN is what it looks like.
[12:43] <Elleo> aquarius: dunno if it's relevant, but I had a similar problem a long time ago after having one of Nokia's QtCreator MeeGo bundles installed, and removing the old config files from (I think) ~/.config/QtProject and ~/.config/Nokia solved it
[12:43] <Elleo> I know you did a bit of N9 development, so maybe you have something similar hanging over?
[12:44] <aquarius> Elleo, not on this machine. This is new
[12:44] <Elleo> ah, okay
[12:44] <zbenjamin> aquarius: wth? never saw this error before
[12:44] <aquarius> I hadn't even installed the ubuntu sdk until I upgraded to 14.04 this weekend :)
[12:44] <aquarius> zbenjamin, you see my confusion :)
[12:44] <Elleo> aquarius: yeah, mine wasn't completely blank like yours either
[12:44] <Elleo> it just kept searching for the device, failing, searching again, etc.
[12:44] <aquarius> zbenjamin, I'm happy to provide info to try and work out why this is; then you chaps can perhaps try and fix the underlying bug which causes it
[12:44] <zbenjamin> aquarius: start qtc from the cli maybe it outputs something of interest for us
[12:45] <Elleo> plus this was all back in October so a lot has probably changed since then
[12:45] <aquarius> OK. Does the Ubuntu SDK link in the dash/launcher just do "qtcreator"? or does it do somethnig special?
[12:45] <zbenjamin> just qtcreator
[12:45] <dpm> zbenjamin, aquarius, I actually get that blank screen whenever I plug in anything (non-phone) into any USB slots with Qt Creator running
[12:46] <aquarius> aha!
[12:46] <aquarius> now device actions is showing me stuff
[12:46] <aquarius> don't know why :)
[12:46] <zbenjamin> aquarius: you can see something now on the page?
[12:47] <aquarius> yep
[12:47] <zbenjamin> aquarius: sometimes the device detection is a bit flaky and gets stuck somewhere, probably a hickup
[12:47] <aquarius> now it's complaining that my device doesn't have a network connection, which it does, but I'm OK to continue on my own now :)
[12:47] <zbenjamin> aquarius: rule of thumb: plug in and out ;)
[12:47] <aquarius> don't know why it was a blank page before
[12:48] <aquarius> ok, I lied
[12:48] <aquarius> plugging the phone in is now correctly detected, hooray
[12:48] <zbenjamin> awesome :)
[12:48] <aquarius> however, Ubuntu SDK says "No network connection on your device", which is a big lie because there is a network connection :)
[12:49] <aquarius> there is also a large "Enable Developer Mode" button on the right hand side of the Ubuntu Device pane, but it's insensitive.
[12:49] <zbenjamin> aquarius: this device page is really buggy, we have a new version in landing which hopefully will be available soon.
[12:50] <aquarius> ok. So, in the meantime... can I just not deploy apps to my device for testing? :(
[12:50] <aquarius> ah
[12:50] <aquarius> redetect devices woke it up
[12:50] <aquarius> excellent!
[12:50] <aquarius> now we're cooking. I can see the device fine.
[12:50] <aquarius> brilliant
[12:51] <aquarius> not brilliant that it was confusing, but at least it's resolved now, and you've already fixed a bunch of this by the sound of it :)
[12:51] <aquarius> thank you zbenjamin
[12:51] <zbenjamin> aquarius: the network connection is required for installing packages on the device, its not required if developer mode is already on
[12:52] <zbenjamin> aquarius: well the new page is less confusing i hope :), it still can get stuck but it should never be completely empty
[12:52] <zbenjamin> aquarius: and its written using Ubuntu UI toolkit :)
[12:54] <aquarius> nice :)
[13:43] <dholbach> bzoltan, zbenjamin: is http://askubuntu.com/questions/260185/is-there-way-to-compile-qt5-programs-written-with-c-to-ubuntu-touch something we should answer differently today?
[13:44] <zbenjamin> dholbach: yeah we should, the default way would be to use cmake
[13:45] <zbenjamin> dholbach: and with cmake we have full QtC support
[14:03] <dpm> balloons, joining the core apps call?
[14:10] <rpadovani> dpm, https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/reminders-app/improveFirstRunWorkaround/+merge/217450
[14:10] <rpadovani> mardy: ciao, could you ping me when you have 10 minutes for a query? I have a couple of questions about online accounts
[14:17] <mardy> rpadovani: ciao! There you go :-)
[15:03] <rickspencer3> hey, is there anyone who can help me use qtcreator to make a web app?
[15:08] <rickspencer3> bzoltan, ^ ?
[15:11] <justCarakas> rickspencer3: http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/html-5/
[15:12] <rickspencer3> justCarakas, I'm just trying to wrap up an existing web site
[15:12] <rickspencer3> that documentation looks more like for making a full blown app
[15:12] <rickspencer3> am I missing something?
[15:12] <justCarakas> ow that is something else indeed
[15:13] <rickspencer3> more like http://developer.ubuntu.com/web/ , I guess
[15:13] <justCarakas> its very simple
[15:13] <justCarakas> in the sdk
[15:13] <justCarakas> new project
[15:13] <justCarakas> and than web app
[15:14] <justCarakas> just fill everything in there
[15:14] <justCarakas> if I remember correctly
[15:15] <rickspencer3> justCarakas, how do I package it, test it, etc...?
[15:17] <elopio> ping mardy.
[15:17] <elopio> do you have some time for me today?
[15:18] <justCarakas> by running it in the sdk I think
[15:18] <aquarius> Is there some way to tell QML "hey, someitem.someproperty ought to have a new value now but it hasn't; recalculate it, please"?
[15:18] <justCarakas> rickspencer3: have you tried the sdk yet ?
[15:19] <rickspencer3> justCarakas, yes, but it looks quite desktop centric
[15:19] <rickspencer3> and I still don't see in QtCreator how to just simply run it to test it out
[15:19] <justCarakas> the green button on thebottom left
[15:20] <justCarakas> rickspencer3: http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/webapp/packaging-web-apps/
[15:20] <justCarakas> else you can try this
[15:20]  * rickspencer3 looks
[15:21] <rickspencer3> aah, there seems to be no QtCreator integration yet :)
[15:21] <rickspencer3> for building at least
[15:22] <daker> rickspencer3: to build it, just run click build . inside the directory
[15:22] <justCarakas> rickspencer3: than the link I send should contain the answer
[15:22] <rickspencer3> daker, right
[15:22] <rickspencer3> daker, then how do I run it, etc...?
[15:22] <daker> rickspencer3: on desktop ?
[15:22] <ogra_> adb push it to /home/phablet
[15:23] <ogra_> then: pkcon install-local /path/to/click
[15:23] <rickspencer3> daker, right, typically I would run an app on my desktop to make sure it is working well
[15:23] <ogra_> (as phablet user)
[15:23] <rickspencer3> ogra_, right, seems like installing it is a bit over kill
[15:23] <rickspencer3> also, I may want to write a little code to integrate with the sound menu
[15:23] <rickspencer3> seems like being able to do a run/debug loop would be nice :)
[15:25] <daker> rickspencer3: first you need to make sure the Exec line works on desktop
[15:26] <daker> ex : webbrowser-app --webapp --enable-back-forward --webappUrlPatterns=https?://m.youtube.com/* http://m.youtube.com
[15:26] <rickspencer3> so just run the exec line?
[15:26] <rickspencer3> easy
[15:26] <ogra_> wouldnt that be webapp-container nowadays ?
[15:26] <ogra_> webbrowser-app --webapp is the old way
[15:26] <ogra_> for the 13.10 API
[15:27] <daker> ogra_: yes that what i was going ask too :)
[15:27] <ogra_> for oxide you want webbrowser-app
[15:27] <ogra_> err
[15:27] <daker> that's what the QTC give on 14.04
[15:27] <ogra_> webapp-container
[15:28] <rickspencer3> ogra_, what should I use instead?
[15:28] <rickspencer3> I just used the QtCreator template
[15:28] <rickspencer3> webbrowser-app --webapp --enable-back-forward --webappUrlPatterns=https?://www.phishtracks.com/* http://www.phishtracks.com
[15:29] <rickspencer3> changed to:
[15:29] <rickspencer3> webapp-container --webapp --enable-back-forward --webappUrlPatterns=https?://www.phishtracks.com/* http://www.phishtracks.com
[15:29] <rickspencer3> seems to work also
[15:29] <ogra_> webapp-container --enable-back-forward --webappUrlPatterns= ... http://foo.com
[15:30] <rickspencer3> ogra_, do I need "--webapp"?
[15:30] <daker> rickspencer3: just remove the --webapp and s/webbrowser-app/webapp-container
[15:30] <ogra_> shoudn't
[15:31] <daker> we should file a bug against QTC for this
[15:31] <ogra_> ++
[15:38] <rickspencer3> ogra_, so the behavoir in the webapp container is different than in chromium
[15:38] <rickspencer3> is there something I should know wrt css or similar?
[15:38] <ogra_> no idea, best to ask chrisccoulson
[15:39] <ogra_> i havent really tested any of the mobile sites my webapps use with chromium
[15:39] <ogra_> (they work well enough with oxide though)
[15:40] <rickspencer3> interesting
[15:40] <rickspencer3> chrisccoulson, any reason this would not work on my desktop?
[15:40] <rickspencer3> webapp-container --enable-back-forward --webappUrlPatterns=https?://www.phishtracks.com/* http://www.phishtracks.com
[15:40]  * rickspencer3 updates
[15:41]  * ogra_ would remove the www from the pattern
[15:41] <rickspencer3> oh, 457 megs of updates
[15:41] <rickspencer3> maybe I am a little behind ;)
[15:42] <aquarius> rickspencer3, that works pretty much fine for me -- what's not working for you?
[15:43] <rickspencer3> aquarius, you can play a song?
[15:43] <ogra_> did you enable audio in apparmor ?
[15:43] <aquarius> oh, it's supposed to play music, is it? :)
[15:43] <rickspencer3> I bet it will work after this update
[15:43] <rickspencer3> aquarius, yeah :)
[15:44] <rickspencer3> ogra_, do I need to do that on the desktop?
[15:44] <rickspencer3> I'm suspecting I have an out of date oxide because I haven't upgraded in a while
[15:44] <ogra_> i never tried a webapp on the desktop :)
[15:44] <aquarius> indeed. In the webapp container, it's not showing the play bar at the bottom, or playing any songs
[15:44] <chrisccoulson> hi rickspencer3 :)
[15:44] <rickspencer3> hi chrisccoulson
[15:44] <aquarius> also, I hate phish :)
[15:44] <chrisccoulson> what's the issue (i've not read the whole scrollback yet)?
[15:45] <rickspencer3> chrisccoulson, my web app doesnt work, at least not on my desktop
[15:45] <rickspencer3> webapp-container --enable-back-forward --webappUrlPatterns=https?://phishtracks.com/* http://phishtracks.com
[15:45] <rickspencer3> chrisccoulson, it should play music
[15:45] <rickspencer3> but breaks in different ways
[15:46] <rickspencer3> chrisccoulson, I haven't tried running it on my phone or anything yet, though
[15:46] <aquarius> also, I can't get --inspector to work, either
[15:46] <aquarius> which makes it hard to diagnose the problem
[15:48] <chrisccoulson> rickspencer3, it seems to play music here (in a plain webview though). do you have oxideqt-codecs-extra installed?
[15:48] <rickspencer3> chrisccoulson, I dunno
[15:48] <chrisccoulson> aquarius, i think alex-abreu is working on that :)
[15:48] <rickspencer3> let me finish this upgrade and then check
[15:48] <rickspencer3> I have this feeling that the root problem is that I forgot that I am a bit out of date on this 'puter :)
[15:48] <chrisccoulson> rickspencer3, it's not installed by default, so I suspect not. and I bet you need that for it to work :)
[15:48] <alex-abreu> chrisccoulson, aquarius yes
[15:49] <rickspencer3> chrisccoulson, ah
[15:49] <rickspencer3> ok, I'll install that when this is done
[15:49] <pmcgowan> yep that fixes it, nice webapp
[15:49] <rickspencer3> pmcgowan, I guess to make it really nice I need to integrate it with the sound menu\
[15:50] <aquarius> alex-abreu, ah, cool. I was wondering whether I had to specify --inspector=yes or somethnig :)
[15:50] <rickspencer3> which doesn't look too too hard
[15:50]  * pmcgowan finds watcher of the skies, wow
[15:51] <alex-abreu> aquarius, should land soon, I have a branch lying for some time need to MR it & retest it
[15:51] <aquarius> bah, I thought you'd be able to do webapp-container --inject-this-script=myintegrationscript.js but you can't -- you'll have to write the webapp integration script (for the sound menu integration, using the unity webapps api) and then install it :(
[15:51] <pmcgowan> aquarius, btw stuck on level 8
[15:51] <aquarius> pmcgowan, heh. Which one's level 8?
[15:51]  * rickspencer3 drums fingers
[15:51] <pmcgowan> somethign about those included in classification
[15:52] <pmcgowan> was sure I had the answer 3 times
[15:52] <aquarius> pmcgowan, the app describes itself as requiring psychology, intelligence, lateral thinking, research, and guesswork. This one is basically all research. :)
[15:53] <pmcgowan> aquarius, will do, although I thought I did ;)
[15:53] <aquarius> it's picky about capitalisation and things like that
[15:53] <aquarius> (I'm going to make Riddling 2 less picky about that; I thought it'd make it more fun, but it just makes it annoying)
[15:54] <pmcgowan> aquarius, you need to add things like "close but not quite" or "gettign warmer"
[15:57] <aquarius> pmcgowan, yeah. That's difficult to do, though...
[15:57] <dbarth> rickspencer3: pong
[15:59] <rickspencer3> hi dbarth
[15:59] <rickspencer3> so, I think I might be sorted
[16:00] <rickspencer3> just waiting for this update to run, then I need to sudo apt-get install oxideqt-codecs-extra
[16:00] <rickspencer3> dbarth, fyi
[16:00] <dbarth> rickspencer3: sorry, was otp and missed the rest
[16:00] <rickspencer3> QtCreator is creating an incorrect exec line
[16:00] <rickspencer3> and also, it seems like it should be hooked up to the QtCreator run button
[16:01] <rickspencer3> and also, the packaging tab should work
[16:01] <dbarth> rickspencer3: if you on trusty, you need an update of qtc-plugin-ubuntu
[16:01] <rickspencer3> dbarth, aaah
[16:01] <dbarth> to be able to run the app on dvice
[16:01] <rickspencer3> I bet it all works after this update
[16:01] <dbarth> i caught this one last week and released an update :/
[16:01] <dbarth> yes
[16:01] <rickspencer3> sorry dbarth, I bet all my problems go away when I am up to date :)
[16:01] <dbarth> https://code.launchpad.net/~dbarth/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/fix-1311692
[16:01] <rickspencer3> I didn't realize how out of date I was :)
[16:02] <rickspencer3> a whole week!
[16:02] <rickspencer3> :)
[16:02] <aquarius> dbarth, has that fix been srued? or are we basically requiring app devs on 14.04 to enable the PPA?
[16:02] <rickspencer3> oh
[16:02] <dbarth> not SRU'ed, as last week was not possible
[16:02] <rickspencer3> no way am I running the PPA
[16:02] <rickspencer3> lol
[16:02] <dbarth> but uploaded to the sdk ppa where devs are supposed to be taking updates for the SDK
[16:02] <aquarius> rickspencer3, that's why I asked the question. I don't want to run the PPA either :)
[16:02] <dbarth> ah
[16:02] <dbarth> then i need to lobby again for an sru, but that was not possible last week
[16:03] <rickspencer3> dbarth, sure, understood
[16:03] <dbarth> let me ping back the sdk/ci folks about it
[16:03] <dbarth> rickspencer3: but apart from that, did you find what you needed?
[16:03] <rickspencer3> dbarth, I think so
[16:03] <aquarius> rickspencer3, I can confirm that with oxide-qtcodecs-extra installed, your webapp works fine
[16:03] <dbarth> rickspencer3: ok cool
[16:03] <rickspencer3> I'll let you know if this update doesn't fix everything
[16:04] <dbarth> rickspencer3: you might want to try the latest runtime API which was made available to html5 app devs
[16:04] <rickspencer3> dbarth, ok, my next step will be sound menu integration
[16:04] <dbarth> rickspencer3: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/html5/sdk-14.04/RuntimeApi.RuntimeApi/
[16:04] <rickspencer3> I may ask for pointers
[16:05] <rickspencer3> omg, this upgrade is taking *forever*4
[16:05] <dbarth> rickspencer3: hmm, not on touch though, we're not plugged into the media hub yet
[16:05] <rickspencer3> dbarth, oh? I can't add sound menu integration yet?
[16:05] <aquarius> rickspencer3, http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/devel/ubuntu-13.10/javascript/web-docs/#mediamenu
[16:05] <rickspencer3> that makes it easy :)
[16:05] <aquarius> you should be able to integrate into the sound menu
[16:06] <aquarius> your problem will be that when your phone blanks the screen, the music will stop playing
[16:06] <rickspencer3> aquarius, I think dbarth just said this doesn't work on Touch yet
[16:06] <rickspencer3> aquarius, oh, it doesn't use the media service yet?
[16:06] <rickspencer3> ouch
[16:06] <aquarius> but that's not anything that you can fix; that's for dbarth and chrisccoulson to fix in Oxide so that it talks to the media hub :)
[16:06] <rickspencer3> that's seriously ouch
[16:06] <aquarius> I might be wron
[16:06] <dbarth> cause we couldn't pass the stream yet
[16:06] <aquarius> wrong
[16:06] <aquarius> don't listen to me, listen to a bald French guy instead :P
[16:07] <dbarth> or 2 ;)
[16:07] <rickspencer3> dbarth, I assume that fixing this is on your roadmap?
[16:07] <dbarth> yes, now we have the underlying support
[16:07] <rickspencer3> cool
[16:08] <rickspencer3> dbarth, if I put my app in the store now, will it just magically start wokring when that support is added?
[16:08]  * rickspencer3 likes magic
[16:09] <dbarth> just discussing it on hangout with alex-abreu
[16:09] <dbarth> trying to make it magic
[16:09] <dbarth> currently on the desktop it's explicit, so would require some hints
[16:10] <dbarth> but now we think that as soon as you have a stream that goes via media hub
[16:10] <dbarth> *that* part could be implicit, and hence be there magically for you
[16:10] <dbarth> ie., for the stream, play/pause, that could be transparent
[16:11] <rickspencer3> dbarth, oh wow
[16:11] <dbarth> next/prev action suppotr should still require explicit instructions in your app
[16:11] <rickspencer3> ah, that makes sense
[16:11] <rickspencer3> I'll skip the menu integration for now then :)
[16:12] <dbarth> rickspencer3: is that a new app? i was following the scope dev you were doing lately
[16:12] <rickspencer3> dbarth, sorry, I missed something, not certain what you are asking about
[16:13] <dbarth> rickspencer3: if the sample app you're doing is something you share on g+ the way you did with the scopes
[16:13] <rickspencer3> dbarth, well, I might do a little write up of this web-app
[16:13] <dbarth> rickspencer3: this way we can use that as a "user story" to guide our devs on the html5 stack
[16:13] <rickspencer3> but when said and done, there's not much to it
[16:13] <dbarth> map your use cases first
[16:26] <rickspencer3> chrisccoulson, thoughts?
[16:26] <rickspencer3> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7353439/
[16:28] <daker> rickspencer3: you need to install oxide-qt something package
[16:29] <daker> rickspencer3: liboxideqt-qmlplugin
[16:29]  * rickspencer3 tries
[16:32] <rickspencer3> daker, I don't think it's that particular package, as it says it's already at the latest
[16:32]  * rickspencer3 tries liboxideqt-qmlplugin
[16:32] <rickspencer3> oops
[16:32] <rickspencer3> I mean oxideqmlscene
[16:32] <rickspencer3> no love
[16:33]  * davmor2 pictures rickspencer3 delving into a tophat, screaming abracadabra at his phone
[16:33] <rickspencer3> hi davmor2
[16:33] <rickspencer3> I suspect that I need to dist-upgrade to get new versions
[16:34]  * rickspencer3 runs dist-upgrade
[16:34] <daker> rickspencer3: i think you need to run it
[16:34] <daker> AFAIK oxide is at 1.0 not 0.1 if i am not wrong
[16:34] <rickspencer3> ok
[16:34] <rickspencer3> it's running now :)
[16:35] <rickspencer3> I should have just done a dist-upgrade to start with
[16:38] <rickspencer3> \o/ all works now :)
[16:38] <aquarius> Can I disable the HUD in my app?
[16:39] <aquarius> I'm experimenting with the bottom edge
[16:39] <daker> rickspencer3: congrats!
[16:39] <aquarius> and when I pull up I keep getting the HUD :)
[16:39] <rickspencer3> being up to date ftw ;)
[16:49] <t1mp> aquarius: I think the app cannot do that.. unity8 needs to disable it
[16:49] <t1mp> aquarius: cool that you are experimenting with the bottom edge. Are you using the Panel component?
[16:49] <aquarius> t1mp, oh. :(
[16:50] <aquarius> t1mp, not using the panel: should I be? I didn't even know that existed :)
[16:50] <t1mp> aquarius: it is one option.. it detects bottom edge swipes and tracks how far you moved your finger up
[16:50] <aquarius> oh really?
[16:50] <t1mp> aquarius: pretty basic, but it could save a bit of work
[16:50] <aquarius> I'm doing that by hand ;)
[16:50] <t1mp> aquarius: that's how I did it ;)
[16:51] <aquarius> https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-1.0/Ubuntu.Components.Panel ?
[16:51] <t1mp> aquarius: I discovered a bug last week that got in there recently.. I fixed it in UITK staging but it still needs to land in the images
[16:51] <t1mp> aquarius: yes, that one
[16:51] <aquarius> heh. DIdn't know about that.
[16:51] <t1mp> https://code.launchpad.net/~tpeeters/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fixPanel/+merge/217014 this needs to land first
[16:51] <t1mp> aquarius: currently, when you move your mouse in the panel-area, it automatically fully opens (just like the toolbar for desktop), that shouldn't happen..
[16:52] <aquarius> although it's not all that useful to me, because the contents and size change depending on how far you've swiped up, in the thing I'm doing
[16:52] <aquarius> and a Panel has a fixed size which is predeclared, looking at this API documentation
[16:52] <t1mp> aquarius: I have a tiny bottom-edge test program here: https://code.launchpad.net/~tpeeters/+junk/vscale
[16:52] <aquarius> I may have a look at that
[16:52] <t1mp> aquarius: ah yes I remember.. on purpose I didn't tell people of the Panel because of that bug.. waiting for the fix to land
[16:53] <aquarius> I'm not really doing this to actually use it, I'm doing it to try and suggest a different approach to how the web browser should work, inspired by opera coast :)
[16:53] <aquarius> and I want to put together a working demo
[16:53] <t1mp> aquarius: uhm.. right. I didn't think of multiple-stages of swiping up yet when I made the panel
[16:53] <aquarius> and try out some bottom edge things at the same time
[16:53] <t1mp> aquarius: I haven't tried opera coast, but when you have some cool new interaction I'd be happy to check it out :)
[16:53] <aquarius> t1mp, yeah -- not a problem. I wasn't particularly expecting what I'm trying to do to be catered for by an out-of-the-box component :P
[16:54] <aquarius> t1mp, once I have something I'll wave it at you :)
[16:54] <t1mp> aquarius: thanks
[16:55] <t1mp> aquarius: app developers can think of their own crazy stuff for the bottom edge, so it is near impossible to have out-of-the-box components for that
[16:55] <aquarius> ya
[16:55] <aquarius> definitely
[16:55] <aquarius> something like your Panel is a good starting point, though, I think
[16:55] <t1mp> aquarius: when it turns out that there are a few standard approaches that work, we can put something for that in our toolkit
[16:55] <rickspencer3> dbarth, when I am making my webapp I need to create a manifest.json file before I use click build?
[16:55] <rickspencer3> http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/webapp/packaging-web-apps/
[16:55] <aquarius> and if lots of people start doing things similar to what I'm doing here, then a MultiPanePanel component would be an obvious next step
[17:06] <rickspencer3> beuno, wow, auto scanning ftw
[17:23] <popey> rickspencer3: you sure about m.phishtracks.com ?
[17:23] <popey> it doesn't load here
[17:23] <popey> Host m.phishtracks.com not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
[17:27] <dbarth> rickspencer3: yes, like any normal app
[17:27] <dbarth> rickspencer3: qtc should have done it for you already
[17:28] <dbarth> you need the webview policy_group in particular
[17:28] <dbarth> http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/apps/security-policy-for-click-packages/
[17:29] <dbarth> rickspencer3: are you doing a local html5 app, or just wrapping a website (ie a "webapp") ?
[17:32] <dbarth> kyleN: ^^ is there still a page on d.u.c which makes the difference between the 2?
[17:33] <kyleN> dbarth, are you referring to webapps v html5 apps?
[17:34] <kyleN> dbarth: currently there is a top level section called "web"
[17:34] <kyleN> I think the intention of this is to cover webapps
[17:35] <kyleN> I think this 'web' content needs to be clarified.
[17:35] <kyleN> for example just hours ago I filed this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntudeveloperportal/+bug/1313769
[17:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1313769 in Ubuntu App Developer site "web landing page unclear on what a web app is" [Undecided,New]
[17:35] <kyleN> that subject is separate from html5 apps on the dev portal
[17:35] <dbarth> kyleN: totally
[17:36] <kyleN> they are covered under apps/html-5: http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/
[17:36] <rpadovani> Hey all :-) There is a simple way to close a popup dialog outsidethe dialog itself?
[17:36] <beuno> rickspencer3, indeed!
[17:36] <kyleN> dbarth, perhaps we can meet to discusses what the webapps content really should be
[17:37] <dbarth> kyleN: during the weekly tomorrow, that sounds like a good way to restart
[17:37] <dbarth> planning updates to the online docs
[17:37] <kyleN> OK, see you then dbarth
[18:21] <rickspencer3> beuno, hey, I'm having a weird effect with the web app I just published
[18:21] <beuno> rickspencer3, tell me more
[18:21] <rickspencer3> so, when I run it, I get an error in a browser window
[18:21] <rickspencer3> that says that m.phishtracks.com is not availble
[18:22] <rickspencer3> but I never told it to look at m. anything
[18:22] <rickspencer3> I'm wondering if I screwed something up somewhere in my package
[18:22] <beuno> rickspencer3, can you pastebin the manifest file?
[18:23] <rickspencer3> beuno, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7354190/
[18:24] <beuno> jdstrand, do you have any clues as to what to look at?
[18:24] <beuno> it looks fine, although I forget what the policy for webapps and their urls are
[18:25] <rickspencer3> beuno, they are in the desktop file, I think
[18:25] <rickspencer3> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7354203/
[18:25] <beuno> rickspencer3, does it look sane there?  you may be getting redirected due to the user agent?
[18:25] <jdstrand> sounds like a redirect is happening
[18:25] <jdstrand> what is the contents of the desktop file?
[18:25] <jdstrand> ah
[18:27] <rickspencer3> ffs
[18:27] <rickspencer3> jdstrand,
[18:27] <rickspencer3> beuno,
[18:27] <rickspencer3> nm
[18:27] <rickspencer3> I cannot believe I did this
[18:27] <rickspencer3> let me make an update
[18:27] <jdstrand> ok
[18:27]  * beuno sits back down
[18:27] <jdstrand> beuno: hey, I was just about to ask you
[18:28] <rickspencer3> jdstrand, beuno I think I never saved the file in QtCreator :(
[18:28] <jdstrand> beuno: used to be when the device downloaded a click package, it was saved in .local/share/ubuntu-download-manager/Downloads
[18:28] <rickspencer3> because it doesn't have a run button for web apps
[18:29] <jdstrand> beuno: that doesn't seem to happen any more. How can I download an app so that I have the click package? (really, I don't care about the phone at this point-- I want the trip advisor app for a change I am making to the review scripts)
[18:30]  * beuno is wrapping up a call
[18:35] <sergiusens> rickspencer3: jdstrand I got disconnected while seeing this, but if this autosave is not yours, then something is forcing the m http://paste.ubuntu.com/7354251/
[18:36] <rickspencer3> sergiusens, yeah, so it was because I didn't save the file in QtCreator
[18:36]  * rickspencer3 dope slaps self
[18:36] <rickspencer3> sergiusens, I was testing it on my desktop by pasting the exec line into a terminal
[18:36] <sergiusens> well at least it's solved :-)
[18:36] <rickspencer3> sergiusens, "solved"
[18:41] <beuno> jdstrand, sorry, I don't follow. You download from the phone's browser?
[18:42] <jdstrand> beuno: I was looking for the trip advisor click package. I had downloaded it on my phone at some point in the past. I can't find the click any more on my device
[18:43] <beuno> jdstrand, ah, mandel would know about the download manager
[18:43] <jdstrand> beuno: (I installed it via the scope)
[18:43] <beuno> ah, installed!
[18:43] <beuno> jdstrand, image 303?
[18:43] <jdstrand> beuno: if it isn't on the device any more, how can I find and download it from the store
[18:43] <jdstrand> ?
[18:44] <beuno> jdstrand, searching from the scope doesn't do it?
[18:44] <jdstrand> beuno: it isn't a preinstall
[18:44] <jdstrand> beuno: sorry, I want the actual click package file so I can run the review scripts on it
[18:44] <hakermania> Is there any way to have a dependent package and and run code in your application only if this package is available?
[18:44] <beuno> aah
[18:45] <beuno> jdstrand, is it the same if I give you a link to download it?
[18:45] <jdstrand> beuno: that would unblock me, yes.
[18:45] <hakermania> For example, I want to make unity support for kdenlive, but it will be weird a KDE application to depend on libunity. So it could be a suggested package. Using libunity.h would demand to build against libunity-dev and thus libunity's so files will be a direct package dependency.
[18:45] <hakermania> Is there any way to overcome this?
[18:45] <jdstrand> though, it would be nice if I could snag these things on my own without having to ping you
[18:47] <beuno> jdstrand, https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/252/
[18:47] <jdstrand> thanks
[18:59] <beuno> jdstrand, you will be able to soon
[19:00] <beuno> jdstrand, with the appstore website
[19:00] <jdstrand> ok, cool
[19:00] <jdstrand> I thought that might be the case
[23:47] <gerlowskija> Has anyone noticed the Reminders App creating empty notes at times.  I'm seeing it on my Desktop.  I'll have a Note open in the app for editing, and every 20 seconds or so a new 'Untitled' note appears in the sidebar
[23:48] <gerlowskija> Maybe my touchpad is overly sensitive though and it's just driving me nuts.


[02:10] <zruty> My BT headset connects but never shows up in Sound Prefs, so how to route sound to it?
[02:18] <spersaud> nice distro :)
[02:18] <spersaud> good for my toshiba tecra ..
[03:06] <Guest55684> No networks show up under wireless networks can anyone help?
[03:08] <zruty> Is the wireless switched on?
[03:08] <zruty> Sometimes there is a switch somewhere
[03:09] <Guest55684> Yea the light is on but if I do iwconfig it doesn't have a wlan0
[03:10] <Guest55684> Any ideas?
[03:11] <zruty> moment...
[03:11] <Guest55684> Okay.
[03:11] <zruty> Is it a USB or a PCI thing?
[03:12] <Guest55684> PCI it is a hp ze5000 and it is built it
[03:12] <zruty> you can do sudo lspci in a terminal window
[03:12] <zruty> And see if it is in there
[03:13] <Guest55684> there is a network controller and a ethernet controller
[03:13] <Guest55684> Intersil Corportation Prism 2.5 Wavelan Chipset
[03:14] <Guest55684> How do I know which one it is?
[03:19] <zruty> Good question...
[03:19] <zruty> Ethernet is wired
[03:19] <zruty> So it must be the other one
[03:19] <Guest55684> right
[03:20] <zruty> What with ifconfig?
[03:21] <Guest55684> Doesn't show any wlan0
[03:21] <charlie-tca> iwconfig?
[03:21] <Guest55684> I tried installing the driver but I don't know if I have the right one and it is hard to find
[03:21] <Guest55684> It doesn't show up there either
[03:21] <zruty> I am starting my xubuntu lapdog...
[03:21] <zruty> Yes, I have never heard of intersil
[03:22] <Guest55684> I guess I just need to try to find the right driver
[03:22] <Guest55684> It is an HP ZE5000 and there is no drivers on the HP website and I can't really find out what wireless card it has...
[03:23] <Guest55684> 11b minipci AMB is what is says on the sticker on the card
[03:24] <zruty> ok...
[03:24] <zruty> sudo lsmod | more
[03:25] <zruty> Do you see any module that looks like it may be the wireless?
[03:25] <Guest55684> No not really I am searching for the driver now though...
[03:26] <Guest55684> The only driver files I can find are freaking .exe files
[03:27] <zruty> ndiswrapper...?
[03:28] <zruty> When I google  Intersil Corportation Prism 2.5 Wavelan and Ubuntu I see a few posts for ubuntu forum come up
[03:28] <zruty> ndiswrapper is a .. tool... that you can use the Windows driver under linux
[03:28] <zruty> Works 99% of the time, used it myself a long time ago..
[03:29] <Guest55684> I know but the problem is I can't just find the drivers, there is only .exe files
[03:31] <Guest55684> I might of found it hold on...
[03:33] <zruty> Yes, I too have an old network controller for which no specific linux driver exists. No choice but to use ndiswrapper.
[03:34] <zruty> OR, since yours is also old, buy a newer network controller.
[03:34] <zruty> N is the standard now, people are ridding themselves of (A/B/)G cards.
[05:48] <david> Anyone on that can help me with a wireless problem?
[05:49] <Guest17690> Has anyone delt with installing drivers for Prism 2.5 wavelan wireless card? I have tried everything and can't get it to work.
[08:51] <Bofhzilla> don't suppose anyone's active who's good with xserver related stuff?
[08:51] <Unit193> Might as well ask...
[08:51] <Bofhzilla> 's a silly problem really
[08:52] <Bofhzilla> can't get the option for 1280x1024
[08:52] <Unit193> Did you configure X?
[08:52] <Bofhzilla> all advice i can turn up via google is " edit xorg.conf" ( doesn't exist) or dpkg-reconfigure ( does nothing)
[08:52] <Unit193> !x
[08:53]  * Bofhzilla clicks
[08:54] <V01> !gnome
[08:54] <Sysi> what graphics card?
[08:55] <V01> !kde
[08:55] <Bofhzilla> radeon mobility 9250
[08:55] <Bofhzilla> *9000
[08:55] <Bofhzilla> muddled up with old desktop card for a sec, sorry
[08:58] <Sysi> does output of 'xrandr' show you that option?
[09:01] <Bofhzilla> bofh@Thundera:~$ xrandr
[09:01] <Bofhzilla> Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1024 x 768, maximum 4096 x 4096
[09:01] <Bofhzilla> VGA-0 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
[09:01] <Bofhzilla> DVI-0 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
[09:01] <Bofhzilla> LVDS connected 1024x768+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 0mm x 0mm
[09:01] <Bofhzilla> below that it lists from 640x480 to 1024x768
[09:02] <Bofhzilla> but i was kinda figuring if i can run 1280x1024 in xp, it should be capable
[09:03] <Sysi> CRT?
[09:04] <Bofhzilla> laptop
[09:04] <Bofhzilla> neg @ crt
[09:08] <Sysi> then you'll just need the xorg.conf
[09:56] <Guest67789> Anyone in here?
[13:11] <ljsoftnet> is there a harddisk load monitor applet for xubuntu?
[13:13] <knome> iotop?
[13:14] <knome> oh, applet
[13:14] <knome> ljsoftnet, you can use xfapplet to use a gnome panel applet if there is one for gnome :)
[13:15] <ljsoftnet> is used it, but it goes back to its default setting after reboot
[13:15] <ljsoftnet> knome is used it, but it goes back to its default setting after reboot
[13:16] <knome> ljsoftnet, when logging out, do you select 'save session' ?
[13:17] <ljsoftnet> knome didn't know that
[13:17] <knome> try that, and see if the applet is working after reboot/-login :)
[13:18] <ljsoftnet> knome ok, rebooting
[13:24] <ljsoftnet> knome what does save sessions do?
[13:24] <knome> ljsoftnet, umm, save the session :))
[13:25] <ljsoftnet> knome it saves the session of xfce's panels?
[13:25] <knome> ljsoftnet, should save that too, and any applications running
[13:26] <ljsoftnet> knome ok thanks
[13:26] <knome> no problem. did it work?
[13:27] <ljsoftnet> knome yes it worked
[13:27] <knome> okay, great
[13:28] <ljsoftnet> knome what about system loader, what does "swap" monitor, is it the harddisk?
[13:29] <knome> ljsoftnet, yes and no - swap is an area in the hard disk that is used like ram when/if you run out of ram
[13:30] <ljsoftnet> knome ah ok
[13:30] <knome> ljsoftnet, say, if you have 1GB of ram, the system starts using the swap partition (a bit before) when 1GB ram is used
[13:30] <ljsoftnet> knome ah thanks man
[20:14] <Guest62952> guys I need help. I was in the window manager settings playing around with window borders, and then I scrolled all the way to the bottom and a black screen flashed with some kind of error text I couldn't see and then I went back to the login screen. It does it every time I log in unless I go to the recovery console
[20:15] <mister_m> does anyone know what could be going on? or perhaps where I could view the error message?
[20:15] <Sysi> log in to console and "rm -rf ~/.config/xfce4" it will destroy your settings
[20:16] <Sysi> it's propably the one known bug with one wm theme
[20:16] <mister_m> Sysi: ah :(
[20:17] <mister_m> Sysi: I'll try that and get back to you
[20:25] <mister_m> Sysi: that worked.
[20:25] <mister_m> Sysi: thank you
[20:26] <Sysi> np (now you can scroll through all settings again!)
[20:28] <mister_m> Sysi: I'll make back ups of my settings
[20:28] <mister_m> before I start doing that
[20:28] <mister_m> this is a fresh install though
[20:36] <mister_m> I had I think two task bars before, gotta figure out what happened with that
[22:43] <Shyster> sup everyone
[22:45] <Shyster> i install xubuntu on my laptop earlier it already had ubuntu/kubuntu on it, i installed it threw "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop" everything went fine
[22:46] <Shyster> it installed with kde as default gui... i liked it so i downloaded the xubuntu cd an installed it on my desktop an it installed with gnome as default
[22:47] <Shyster> it didn't ask me witch one i wanted so y the differance?
[22:47] <charlie-tca> xubuntu does not use kde
[22:47] <charlie-tca> it uses Xfce with some of gnome
[22:47] <knome> neither does it use gnome
[22:48] <Shyster> hmm
[22:48] <Shyster> when i installed it on my laptop it the gui looked like a kde themed gui, with the menu in the bottom left an so on
[22:49] <Shyster> now on my desktop it looks like a gnome gui with the applications/places menu at the top
[22:49] <Shyster> so why would it install differant
[22:50] <charlie-tca> sounds like you ran a kde session before
[22:50] <charlie-tca> instead of the xubuntu session
[22:50] <Shyster> and sorry about my confusion of the gui's i am still a beginner to linux
[22:50] <Shyster> no it was xubuntu
[22:51] <Shyster> when it loaded it had a tips menu pop up talking about xubuntu and had the mouse background an so on
[22:52] <Shyster> would it make a differance in the versions? 10.04long term or 10.10?
[22:52] <Shyster> on the gui that it uses i mean?
[22:53] <charlie-tca> xubuntu has never put the menu in the bottom left
[22:53] <Shyster> then what am i seeing?
[22:54] <knome> Shyster, take a screenshot and upload it to imagebin and we'll see
[22:54] <Shyster> ok
[22:55] <Shyster> i think its because of my laptop has 10.10 on it
[22:55] <Shyster> an my desktop i put 10.04
[22:55] <Shyster> but i will upload a screen shot now
[23:01] <Shyster> http://imagebin.org/145783
[23:01] <Shyster> theres the screen shot
[23:01] <Shyster> from my laptop
[23:03] <Shyster> and this is the one of my desktop http://imagebin.org/145784
[23:03] <knome> mmhmm, that's definitely xubuntu, but it might be the xfce session (instead of xubuntu session)
[23:04] <Shyster> yea, an i really like it.
[23:04] <knome> which one?
[23:05] <Shyster> laptop gui
[23:05] <knome> right, well you can always change the panels to be as in the laptop screenshot
[23:07] <Shyster> like i said i just switched to linux from windows. i had some classes over linux in college but never really used to much. so i been searching for a flavour i like to stick with
[23:07] <knome> mm-hmm
[23:09] <Shyster> another question real quick i have a 20" LCD display on my desktop an xunbuntu detects it as a crt monitor and cuts off some of the right side of the screen
[23:09] <Shyster> i have tryed changing the resolution but doesn't help
[23:10] <knome> what graphics card?
[23:10] <Shyster> umm its a nvidia
[23:10] <Shyster> let me check what kind
[23:10] <knome> have you tried nvidia-settings?
[23:10] <knome> that's a pretty powerful tool
[23:11] <Shyster> yea i have
[23:12] <Shyster> thats what detects my monitor as a ctr o.O
[23:12] <knome> well, you really should be able to sort it with that
[23:12] <knome> doesn't really matter :)
[23:12] <knome> you only want to change the monitor layout
[23:13] <Shyster> but it doesn't give me any wide screen resolutions as a crt :(
[23:13] <knome> hmm
[23:18] <Shyster> any ideas?
[23:56] <jayant> Hello Everyone, i am using ubuntu 10.10 that works real slow on my system. I want to switch over to xubuntu. Will installing the xubuntu-desktop package make my system work fine ?
[23:57] <knome> jayant, that might bring some help. how much ram do you have?
[23:58] <jayant> knome: 256MB RAM
[23:58] <knome> okay. the pc won't be lightning fast with xubuntu either, then, i'm afraid.
[23:58] <knome> however, good application choices can ease the situation
[23:58] <jayant> knome: then what else can i try to make it work fast ?
[23:59] <knome> there is lubuntu, which is even lighter than xubuntu
[23:59] <knome> though i really suggest a reinstall anyway


[22:55] <daker_> cjohnston: are you attending uds too ?
[22:56] <cjohnston> yessir
[22:56] <cjohnston> I have a bunch of traveling next month
[22:57] <cjohnston> daker_: I got Summit working on django 1.4
[22:57] <daker_> cjohnston: nice, do you want me to test it ?
[22:58] <cjohnston> https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/summit/django1-4
[22:59] <daker_> ok
[23:00] <cjohnston> mhall119: Could I get a review: https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/summit/staticfiles/+merge/102986   ;-)
[23:14] <cjohnston> mhall119: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/summit/externals/view/head:/EXTERNALS is there anything I'm missing?
[23:35] <daker_> cjohnston: do you have a fresh summt db ?
[23:49] <cjohnston> http://ubuntuone.com/0P6jxsoVcGpuXeBcbsBsUK
[23:49] <cjohnston> daker_: ^
[23:51] <mhall119> cjohnston: does https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/summit/staticfiles/+merge/102986 actually work?
[23:51] <daker_> cjohnston: thanks
[23:51] <cjohnston> mhall119: thats why your supposed to test it
[23:52] <mhall119> *you're* supposed to test it before committing
[23:52] <cjohnston> I did
[23:52] <cjohnston> I would appreciate it if you tested it tho
[23:53] <mhall119> EXTERNALS looks fine to me
[23:53] <cjohnston> is there anything missing
[23:53] <mhall119> maybe the ubuntu_website stuff?
[23:53] <cjohnston> k
[23:53] <mhall119> and linaro theme too