[00:28] <roaksoax> terje: cluster controllers/node-groups are deprecated in 2.0. Now we have "rack controllers"
[00:49] <mup> Bug #1602468 opened: [1.9] loading initial data for maasserver: maas-region-admin reports duplicate key error during package install <cdo-qa> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1602468>
[01:10] <mup> Bug #1602477 opened: [2.0b1, UI] MAAS changes the order of DNS servers in the WebUI. <MAAS:Triaged> <MAAS 2.0:Triaged> <MAAS trunk:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1602477>
[01:58] <mup> Bug #1602482 opened: [2.0rc2] Incorrect DNS records <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1602482>
[02:07] <mup> Bug #1602486 opened: [2.0rc1] Rack controller filtering messages out of syslog doesn't work <MAAS:New> <MAAS 2.0:New> <MAAS trunk:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1602486>
[02:07] <mup> Bug #1602487 opened: [2.0 RC1] Deploying node not powered on - Unable to change power state to 'on' for node krastin: another action is already in progress for that node. <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1602487>
[02:22] <mup> Bug #1602486 changed: [2.0rc1] Rack controller filtering messages out of syslog doesn't work <MAAS:New> <MAAS 2.0:New> <MAAS trunk:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1602486>
[02:22] <mup> Bug #1602487 changed: [2.0 RC1] Deploying node not powered on - Unable to change power state to 'on' for node krastin: another action is already in progress for that node. <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1602487>
[02:28] <mup> Bug #1599523 opened: [SRU] MAAS 2.0rc2 to Xenial <maas (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1599523>
[02:28] <mup> Bug #1599523 changed: [SRU] MAAS 2.0rc2 to Xenial <maas (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1599523>
[02:28] <mup> Bug #1602486 opened: [2.0rc1] Rack controller filtering messages out of syslog doesn't work <MAAS:New> <MAAS 2.0:New> <MAAS trunk:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1602486>
[02:28] <mup> Bug #1602487 opened: [2.0 RC1] Deploying node not powered on - Unable to change power state to 'on' for node krastin: another action is already in progress for that node. <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1602487>
[02:28] <mup> Bug #1602488 opened: [2.1rc1] AMT: If I quickly deploy and quickly release a machine, it ends up powered on <MAAS:New> <MAAS 2.0:New> <MAAS trunk:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1602488>
[02:34] <mup> Bug #1599523 changed: [SRU] MAAS 2.0rc2 to Xenial <maas (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1599523>
[02:34] <mup> Bug #1602488 changed: [2.1rc1] AMT: If I quickly deploy and quickly release a machine, it ends up powered on <MAAS:New> <MAAS 2.0:New> <MAAS trunk:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1602488>
[02:34] <mup> Bug #1599523 opened: [SRU] MAAS 2.0rc2 to Xenial <maas (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1599523>
[02:37] <mup> Bug #1599523 opened: [SRU] MAAS 2.0rc2 to Xenial <maas (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1599523>
[02:37] <mup> Bug #1599523 changed: [SRU] MAAS 2.0rc2 to Xenial <maas (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1599523>
[02:37] <mup> Bug #1602488 opened: [2.1rc1] AMT: If I quickly deploy and quickly release a machine, it ends up powered on <MAAS:New> <MAAS 2.0:New> <MAAS trunk:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1602488>
[13:23] <mup> Bug #1572340 changed: PXE boot fails when two interfaces are managed <cdo-qa> <cdo-qa-blocker> <pxe> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1572340>
[13:23] <mup> Bug #1591250 changed: 1.9.3 changelog information missing from maas.ubuntu.com/docs1.9/changelog.html <cdo-qa> <doc> <MAAS:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1591250>
[14:20] <mup> Bug #1599523 changed: [SRU] MAAS 2.0rc2 to Xenial <verification-needed> <maas (Ubuntu):Fix Released> <maas (Ubuntu Xenial):Fix Committed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1599523>
[14:51] <mup> Bug #1602721 opened: [2.0rc2] Can't get node-results via cli/api <MAAS:New> <MAAS 2.0:New> <MAAS trunk:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1602721>
[14:52] <setuid> Anyone here using sstreams-mirror?
[14:53] <setuid> I'm trying to figure out how to get simplestreams to sync -both- amd64 and i386 in the same command. If I run them in two separate commands, passing each arch, the second pass wipes out the mirror ffrom the first pass
[14:55] <roaksoax> setuid: in the filter you'd do something like amd64|i386 or similar
[14:55] <roaksoax> can't remember of the top of my head
[14:55] <roaksoax> smoser: ^^ do you ?
[14:56] <smoser> setuid, 'arch~(i386|amd64)'
[14:56] <setuid> I've tried all of the obvious array expansions, without luck
[14:56] <smoser> you have to do regex.
[14:56] <setuid> hrm, ok... I'll give that one a shot. Tried , : space, and others... pipe it is!
[14:56] <smoser> its regex
[14:56] <smoser> i didn't write that. talk to larry wall i think
[14:57] <smoser> it was the simplist immediately powerful well defined operator
[14:57] <setuid> right, wasn't easy to find the parsing bit of simplestreams.py for what pcre they were using
[14:57] <setuid> one moment, giving that a shot now
[14:59] <setuid> Looks like its working... now if I could only do release and daily in the same pass but I'll add a second line for that
[14:59] <setuid> it's not picking up xenial, only precise and trusty, even though I see xenial in the repo I'm pointing to
[15:00] <setuid> https://images.maas.io/ephemeral-v2/daily/
[15:00] <mup> Bug #1602721 changed: [2.0rc2] Can't get node-results via cli/api <MAAS:New> <MAAS 2.0:New> <MAAS trunk:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1602721>
[15:00] <setuid> passing in:  'release~(xenial|trusty|precise)'
[15:03] <mup> Bug #1602721 opened: [2.0rc2] Can't get node-results via cli/api <MAAS:New> <MAAS 2.0:New> <MAAS trunk:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1602721>
[15:06] <mup> Bug #1602721 changed: [2.0rc2] Can't get node-results via cli/api <MAAS:New> <MAAS 2.0:New> <MAAS trunk:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1602721>
[15:15] <mup> Bug #1602721 opened: [2.0rc2] Can't get node-results via cli/api <MAAS:New> <MAAS 2.0:New> <MAAS trunk:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1602721>
[15:18] <terje> thansk roaksoax
[15:18] <terje> I have an idea that I'm trying to persue. Just wish to vet it here.
[15:19] <terje> I'm installing xenial on baremetal and installing maas there. Then, using uvtool, I'm creating an xenial VM, where I'd like to install juju-core.
[15:20] <terje> and bootstrap that instance of juju to my instance of maas.
[15:20] <terje> does this idea make sense or is there perhaps a better way to do that?
[15:44] <setuid> terje, functionally, they're different machines to juju, so it shouldn't ma... wait, you're going to use juju inside a maas-managed kvm instance, to update maas?
[15:45] <setuid> Why not use the baremetal and install maas in a kvm instance, then use a second kvm instance to run juju
[15:45] <setuid> that way, you can swap out your main maas kvm instance with another as needed for rolling upgrades/downgrades/updates/testing
[15:46] <setuid> If maas is installed on your baremetal box, you're locked in
[15:46] <setuid>  Unless I misunderstood your goal
[16:39] <mup> Bug #1594991 opened: [2.0RC1] MAAS displays every power query on the summarized view of node event log <oil> <MAAS:Triaged> <MAAS 2.0:New> <MAAS trunk:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1594991>
[17:12] <setuid> smoser, Weird, I am trying to sync the daily images, but it's only getting trusty and precise, despite adding yakkety and xenial to the sstream command... and I can see them in the directory, so they ARE there
[17:12] <setuid> https://images.maas.io/ephemeral-v2/daily/xenial/
[17:12] <setuid> command I'm using is:
[17:12] <setuid> sudo /usr/bin/sstream-mirror --keyring=/usr/share/keyrings/ubuntu-cloudimage-keyring.gpg https://images.maas.io/ephemeral-v2/daily/ /maas/images/ephemeral-v2/daily/ 'arch~(amd64)' 'subarch~(generic|hwe-t)' 'release~(yakkety|xenial)' --max=1 --verbose
[17:31] <smoser> setuid, if you add a -v i think it will tell you that it filtered them out
[17:31] <smoser> but its filtering out becauase subarch is the "primary subarch"
[17:31] <smoser> subarches (plural) is a comma delimited list of subarches that are supported.
[17:32] <smoser> so actually, the easiest thing for you to do  is to *drop* the subarch~ entirely
[17:32] <smoser> and it will dtrt
[17:32] <setuid> ah!
[17:32] <setuid> for both daily and releases, I bet... trying that now
[17:33] <setuid> Goes from 2.8Gb to 17Gb
[18:13] <terje> setuid: ok, that's a good idea.
[18:14] <terje> baremetal, +2 uvt-kvm instances (maas, juju)
[18:15] <terje> only, uvt-kvm wants to use the 'default' network in libvirt (192.168.122/24).
[18:16] <terje> so my maas server won't see the pxe requestws
[18:16] <terje> so, prolly that's not going to work. :/
[19:30] <mup> Bug #1556137 changed: Juju 2.0: cannot connect to LXC container when deploying bundle with LXC container placement with maas 1.9.1 as provider <2.0-count> <oil> <juju-core:Invalid> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1556137>
[19:51] <mup> Bug #1556137 opened: Juju 2.0: cannot connect to LXC container when deploying bundle with LXC container placement with maas 1.9.1 as provider <2.0-count> <oil> <juju-core:Invalid> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1556137>
[19:54] <mup> Bug #1556137 changed: Juju 2.0: cannot connect to LXC container when deploying bundle with LXC container placement with maas 1.9.1 as provider <2.0-count> <oil> <juju-core:Invalid> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1556137>
[21:06] <terje> Hi smoser, I see you worked on this issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1563296
[21:06] <terje> Is the fix still to add /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/99-snappy-disable-network-config.cfg ?
[21:06] <terje> even in xenial?
[21:28] <mup> Bug #1602846 opened: 502 proxy errors after upgrading to MAAS 2.0 rc2 <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1602846>
[21:28] <mup> Bug #1602848 opened: Spurious failure in test_get_hostname_ip_mapping_returns_fqdn_and_other <tests> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1602848>
[21:28] <mup> Bug #1602850 opened: Update Maas 2.0 Documentation to include the "maas-rack support-dump" feature <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1602850>
[22:35] <mattrae> hi, where is the django controller for the api call that returns nodes interfaces to cloud-init for curtin?
[23:37] <mup> Bug #1598358 opened: Node is started but not deployed <oil> <oil-2.0> <juju-core:New> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1598358>


[00:00] <Vercas> Sorry, I'm incredibly tired right now.
[00:00] <Vercas> I've had a lot of shit luck lately and I'm fixing problems one by one. (both technical problems and real life problems)
[00:01] <sarnold> ouch :( sorry to hear it :(
[00:01] <Vercas> I really needed a victory right now. Thank you so much for helping me with this.
[00:01] <cbreak> -> password manager
[00:02] <Vercas> I am trying to get that recovery key.
[00:04] <Vercas> I know now what I did with the recovery key.
[00:04] <Vercas> If I tell you.... You might want to remove any sharp objects from your vicinity. :|
[00:05] <Vercas> So Windows gives you 3 options to generate a recovery key: 1. Put it on your Microsoft account; 2. Save to a file; 3. Print it
[00:06] <cbreak> at least they don't upload it to facebook, post it on twitter, or share it on microsoft github...
[00:06] <Vercas> I don't have a Microsoft account. Windows won't let you save it to a file on the same disk as the one that is encrypted *and I don't have any other disks in this VM*... So I printed it! But I have no printer.
[00:06] <Vercas> So I printed to PDF, and saved the PDF on the VM.
[00:06] <Vercas> And then most likely forgot about it.
[00:07] <sarnold> Vercas: ohhhhh, ouch :(
[00:15] <Vercas> Got the key out and made two backups of it so I don't have this problem again.
[00:16] <Vercas> sarnold, thank you so much again
[00:32] <sarnold> Vercas: *sweet*! your VM is back up and running and everything? :D glad to hear it ;)
[00:35] <Vercas> Yes, and I tested the recovery key after updating back to OVMF to the latest version. It's all working!
[00:43] <sarnold> Vercas: nice nice :D
[01:06] <tcurdt-> I found a way to disable the motd for ALL users - but is it possible to just disabled it for a certain user?
[01:06] <tcurdt-> via pam it seems to be all or nothing
[01:13] <elqeynn_> Hi, everybody
[01:14] <elqeynn_> I usually log in here with the name ELQEYNN .
[01:14] <sarnold> tcurdt-: I just gave the module source a quick read and it sure doesn't look like there's any way to silence it for one user, no
[01:15] <elqeynn_> I have my Alienware laptop fixed, installed ubuntu, instead of SUSE.   (Also around the time that SecureBoot got neutered.)
[01:36] <elqeynn_> neutered?
[01:43] <jhutchins> elqeynn_: It was meant to prevent people from installing Linux.  That got fixed.
[01:49] <elqeynn_> Whta was the purpose of not allowing Linux.
[01:50] <elqeynn_> What was the purpose of not allowing Linux.
[01:50] <elqeynn_> ?
[01:52] <elqeynn_> What was the purpose of not allowing Linux?
[01:53] <sarnold> there's no reason to repeat yourself
[01:55] <elqeynn_> just some typos to be corrected
[01:57] <sarnold> most people on irc are good at reading beyond typos -- you really only need to fix them when the meaning of the sentence is changed entirely
[03:05] <pc_> eben hatte synaptic einen absturz ärger mit dhtc usw. nerv
[03:11] <lotuspsychje> !de | pc_
[03:12] <pc_> das ist ja rassismus
[03:32] <Aarch64debian> ?
[03:33] <Aarch64debian> gparted resize took one hour already should i wait
[03:33] <sarnold> I'd wait, yeah
[03:33] <sarnold> interrupting something like that feels like it would have pretty bad consequences
[03:34] <Aarch64debian> its 20Gb data, how long will it take
[03:34] <sarnold> I'd probably expect it to take seconds
[03:34] <sarnold> but maybe it has more to do
[03:35] <sarnold> you could try running perf top to get a feeling for what the machine is doing
[03:43] <Aarch64debian> bparker its stuck at e2image -ra -p -O 364904448 /dev/sdb2, its doing this
[03:43] <Aarch64debian> oops
[03:59] <maxtim> modprobe: FATAL: Module zfs not found in directory /lib/modules/5.15.5-76051505-generic
[03:59] <maxtim> tried uninstalling zfsutils-linux and reinstalling
[03:59] <maxtim> no love
[04:21] <Tanner> hello?
[04:24] <yukiup> helllooo
[05:22] <elqeynn_> Hello Tanner and yukiup
[05:36] <elqeynn_> Arch64-debian How is your resizing going?
[05:41] <elqeynn_> hello pankid
[06:02] <sandygriuella> Hi
[06:02] <sandygriuella> I need some help
[06:03] <sandygriuella> i was trying to install gnome-tweaks
[06:03] <sandygriuella> and i get a error
[06:03] <sandygriuella> of some broken dependencies but i am petty sure i don't have it
[06:03] <sandygriuella> can somebody help me solve it?
[06:04] <sandygriuella> ohh btw my version is
[06:04] <jazzman_> hi
[06:04] <sandygriuella> 20.04.3
[06:04] <sandygriuella> i'd appreciate any help
[06:06] <sandygriuella> smh
[06:06] <sandygriuella> ded
[06:06] <Bashing-om> sandygriuella: Show us in a pastebin the results of terminal command ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade '. See here what the package manager reports for errors.
[06:06] <sandygriuella> the commands execute succesfully with no errors
[06:06] <sandygriuella> lemme give a pastebin real quick
[06:08] <sandygriuella> here you go
[06:08] <sandygriuella> https://pastebin.com/ZvAhtyPi
[06:08] <sandygriuella> @Bash
[06:08] <sandygriuella> Bashing-om
[06:11] <Bashing-om> sandygriuella: Looking ^ :)
[06:12] <sandygriuella> i found a thread with my issues also : https://askubuntu.com/questions/1362002/cant-install-gnome-tweaks-on-ubuntu-20-04-3-lts-fresh-install-unmet-dependenc
[06:13] <Bashing-om> sandygriuella: So far so good - show next ' sudo apt install gnome-tweaks ' .
[06:13] <sandygriuella> mine is not a fresh install but it is the latest 20.04.3
[06:13] <sandygriuella> Bashing-om ok gimme a moment
[06:14] <sandygriuella> https://pastebin.com/4RDcqjEr here you go
[06:16] <Bashing-om> !info gnome-tweaks focal
[06:18] <Bashing-om> !info gnome-shell focal
[06:19] <sandygriuella> gnome shell is not optional tbh it is basically the terminal in ubuntu
[06:20] <Bashing-om> sandygriuella: I do agree with the AskUbuntu post - looks to me like we have a packaging error - warrents a bug report to bring to the attention of our developers.
[06:20] <sandygriuella> uhmm.. ok how do i create one?
[06:21] <sandygriuella> Bashing-om
[06:21] <Bashing-om> !bug | sandygriuella
[06:21] <sandygriuella> ubuntu-bug gnome-tweaks
[06:21] <Bashing-om> !info gnome-shell-extension-prefs focal
[06:22] <sandygriuella> << ubuntu-bug gnome-tweaks
[06:22] <sandygriuella> how do i do it?
[06:22] <Bashing-om> sandygriuella: Yeah - the gnome-tweaks packaging is the target here.
[06:23] <sandygriuella> i have been trying to solve it for almost 2 and a half days
[06:23] <sandygriuella> anyway
[06:24] <sandygriuella> ubuntu-bug <gnome-tweaks>
[06:24] <Bashing-om> sandygriuella: Untill the repo packages are corrected - we have no "sane" way to correct.
[06:25] <sandygriuella> tru i did not want to manually downgrade my gnome-shell version
[06:25] <sandygriuella> can you help me file the bug report?
[06:26] <sandygriuella> Bashing-om
[06:26] <Bashing-om> sandygriuella: sandygriuella: I do not run GDM -= so is up to you to make the report - I would expect terminal command ' ubuntu-bug gnome-tweaks ' will start the process.
[06:29] <Bashing-om> sandygriuella: Gimme a tic - let me see if there is already one reported.
[06:29] <sandygriuella> thank you for your help tho really appreciate it
[06:37] <Bashing-om> sandygriuella: 54 bug reports for -tweaks - but, surprisingly, I do not see one for this issue.  I do suggest a new report to start to get this to the developer's attention.
[06:37] <elqeynn_> How does one download software from the repositories?
[06:37] <Bashing-om> sandygriuella: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-tweaks/+bugs?orderby=-heat&start=0 .
[06:38] <sandygriuella> Bashing-om alright thank you xD
[06:38] <Bashing-om> elqeynn_: Generally one wants the binaries - ' sudo apt install <package> ' is the terminal way.
[06:41] <Bashing-om> sandygriuella: Odd that ' apt depends gnome-tweaks ' result for gnome-shell-extension-prefs does not give us a version !
[06:43] <sandygriuella> i am just in the middle of filing the bug report
[06:45] <Bashing-om> sandygriuella: Good deal ! :)
[07:51] <ELQEYNN> How does one change one's password in ubuntu?
[07:53] <ELQEYNN> How does one change his/her password in ubuntu?
[07:54] <ducasse> settings ->  users and groups
[07:58] <Bashing-om> ELQEYNN: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/resetpassword <- easy instructions to reset your password ,
[07:58] <geirha> can also be changed on the command line by running the passwd command
[08:10] <abhishek> Hi, I'm running Ubuntu 21.04. When connected to power, sometimes my laptop just resets without any warning. Never observed this when on battery. How can I debug what may be causing this?
[08:12] <Maik> abhishek: may not be helpful but 21.04 is about to go EOL this month so you should upgrade to 21.10
[08:15] <parlos> Good Morning, I'm trying to build a 'generic' ubuntu kernel that will boot on many different devices (via PXE). Once the kernel is booted it should load a ramdisk, and run ONE program, then (mostlikely) reboot.
[08:17] <abhishek> Maik: yeah goes eol on 20th, planning to upgrade this weekend :-)
[08:18] <alkisg> parlos: how is that different from all existing vanilla kernels that boot in many different devices via PXE?
[08:18] <alkisg> You mean that you don't want an initramfs?
[08:19] <amosbird> Hello! It seems the Ubuntu Mono font is buggy. Underline renders badly in alacrytty
[08:23] <parlos>  alkisg; I want a initrd/ramfs. I suspect that a vanilla kernel would work. Perhaps I'm messing up the initrd/ramfs.
[08:25] <parlos> alkisg: I'm using dracut to build the initrd. And once booted (into rescuemode) the log states that the new host has the same name as my device..
[08:25] <parlos> Any hints/pointers to a good Howto to builld a initrd/ramfs for Ubuntu ?
[08:25] <alkisg> parlos: dracut isn't well tested in the debian land. Why aren't you using the stock initramfs-tools?
[08:26] <alkisg> For many netbooting cases, ltsp.org is a good way to go
[08:26] <alkisg> The "ramfs" as you call it then is a normal disk, squashfs'ed, and loaded to ram
[08:28] <parlos> Not seen that (ltsp.org), your the developer/maintainer?
[08:28] <alkisg> Yup
[08:29] <alkisg> (the last in line, at least :D)
[08:30] <parlos> So currently; Ive got an std PXE bootsystem that allows me to boot images on hosts, usually those are just installation images. But I also have a need to do 'DD' either to write directly to or from discs on the hosts. Is that possible? (hence the need push out a kernel, and run a program)
[08:31] <alkisg> Oh sure. By default, ltsp allows you to netboot any pc using any debian-based image or iso, and with my other tool, epoptes.org, you have out-of-the-box remote control to any of them
[08:32] <alkisg> So dd'ing an image is just a command via the epoptes run-command dialog... or right click open remote terminal locally...
[08:32] <alkisg> or double click = vnc to the client even before login.. etc etc
[08:33] <parlos> Hrm, epoptes is that something thats added on to an installed entity (host side)?
[08:34] <alkisg> It's a vnc-like package. LTSP can netboot any image even if it doesn't have the ltsp client package installed, but for epoptes, the epoptes-server is needed on the server and the epoptes-client on the client image
[08:35] <alkisg> So you'd netboot the clients using an image that does have epoptes-client, then you'd dd any image at all, not the one you booted them from
[08:35] <alkisg> E.g. in some schools I netboot the clients and dd an MS windows image to their disks
[08:38] <parlos> Ok, seems like a system we had in mid 2005; but lost. Can the 'server' side, either ltsp or epoptes be scripted/configed for automatic operations?
[08:39] <alkisg> There's a configuration directory, /etc/ltsp that supports various hooks, less for the server and more for the clients
[08:39] <parlos> So, when a device boots it either gets the menu, or the server just pushes over an image to that specific device.
[08:39] <alkisg> So e.g. POST_INIT_COMMAND="some script" runs a command at the client init phase, and there are phases for initrd-bottom, service, session etc etc
[08:40] <alkisg> Yes the menu is the default but you can set the DEFAULT_IMAGE or even hide the menu
[08:40] <alkisg> The commands for the clients are specified in a simple ltsp.conf file with ini-style syntax, e.g. [mac-address] directive or [subnet*] directives or [hostname] etc
[08:41] <alkisg> So you can specify that all raspberry clients do one thing, all the PCs another, or one specific client to boot and clone... whatever
[08:41] <parlos> OK, I'll give it a go. To see if it can replace my homegrown stuff.
[08:41] <alkisg> 👍
[08:42] <alkisg> We have an #ltsp irc channel and an ltsp matrix room if you need more information, to avoid spamming #ubuntu too much
[08:42] <parlos> See you there.
[09:13] <styla> hey guys, anybody here using multipass ? I have an issue, after moving the hyper-v vhd to a different drive, multipass can't find any instances
[09:14] <Savicq> Hey styla, we're also on #multipass, but here's instructions on how to move Multipass storage around: https://github.com/canonical/multipass/pull/1789#issuecomment-705403501
[09:21] <styla> Savicq Thanks, I've written in #multipass
[10:41] <gehmehgeh> what's the (no pun intended) canonical way to get the Docker manpages on Ubuntu?
[10:54] <oerheks> there used to be a command unminimize, but no longer available, i am on 21.10
[10:55] <gehmehgeh> This is a Ubuntu VM in which docker has been installed via "snap"
[10:56] <gehmehgeh> I did a "snap search" and apparently there's no manpage package
[10:59] <oerheks> no idea how to do this :-(
[11:00] <oerheks> those used to be halted by /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/excludes, but that file is no longer there
[11:19] <ledeni> oerheks do you need unminimize buttons for windows or what ...
[11:22] <signofzeta> I'm having trouble with AppArmor and Skype.  It constantly pops up notices saying that it can't read /proc/net/something/speed.  I tried using the aa- commands, but it doesn't recognize the skypeforlinux Snap.
[11:26] <signofzeta> "Profile for /snap/skype/197/usr/bin/skypeforlinux/skypeforlinux not found, skipping"
[11:40] <ogra_> signofzeta, try forum.snapcraft.io or the #snappy channel ... looks like a bug with the snap itself though
[11:42] <signofzeta> ogra_: thanks! best I can tell, Skype didn't include an AppArmor profile... but it's being armored somehow.
[11:42] <ogra_> signofzeta, apparmor profiles for snap packages are generated by snapd based on the snap interfaces the snap defines
[11:43] <ogra_> so either there is a definition missing or snapd has an issue on your system
[11:47] <cerl> Greetings. How does the extended support for ubuntu work from canonical? I'm reading the docs and ubuntu as far back as 14.04 is supported till about 2024. Does that mean I can pay to use ubuntu 14.04?
[11:48] <oerheks> cerl, yes, see !esm
[11:48] <oerheks> !esm
[11:48] <cerl> Can I still ask if the kernel gets updated for drivers for esm?
[11:49] <oerheks> yes, but not here
[11:49] <oerheks> * we just do not know
[11:52] <ravage> but in general esm covers security updates. it is meant to keep old systems secure not to add new functionality like new hardware support
[12:52] <h-admin> HELLO
[12:53] <oerheks> :-)
[12:53] <zaggynl> aah, hello
[12:53] <zaggynl> no need to yell
[12:54] <h-admin> :)
[12:56] <h-admin> I had a question: I'm not very familiar with the IRC protocol. Is it possible to track IP in this protocol?
[12:57] <EriC^^> yeah
[12:57] <EriC^^> /whois h-admin
[12:58] <oerheks> if you want to hide it, ask for a cloak in #libera, but this is not a real protection
[13:01] <h-admin> THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWERS OERHEKS AND ERIC
[13:27] <lacrymology> Hi. New to ubuntu and gnome, I've been using KDE so far. I use a laptop, closed with an external monitor. Last night I unplugged the monitor and the laptop suspended. I was looking on how to stop this since I've got maintenance scheduled during the night, but all I got was using tweaks to stop the computer from suspending when the lid is closed, and I'd like this only to be the case when plugged in,
[13:27] <lacrymology> not when running on battery
[13:27] <lacrymology> is it possible?
[13:45] <gkapell> hello
[13:45] <gkapell> Does anyone has use spacewalk as repo for Ubuntu?
[13:46] <oerheks> Spacewalk project has been discontinued on May 31 2020.
[13:47] <gkapell> from debian?
[13:47] <gkapell> I can see that is still active
[13:49] <oerheks> https://www.oracle.com/webfolder/community/linux_os_and_oracle_vm/4333916.html&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjvkb304LXwAhVEVs0KHcVQBmsQFnoECAwQAg&usg=AOvVaw2ENZq8ynHQCBONGROIEbMr
[13:51] <oerheks> also https://github.com/spacewalkproject/spacewalk
[13:51] <gkapell> thanks oerheks
[13:51] <gkapell> I have install 2.10 so can I use it for my debian?
[13:52] <oerheks> oh you are free to do so, but no bugfixes anymore, try Landscape?
[13:52] <gkapell> I am not sure how the sources.list should be
[13:52] <gkapell> Landscape? nop
[13:52] <gkapell> Support deb only?
[13:53] <oerheks> not sure that there are prebuild deb packages, nor repo
[13:57] <ogra_> gkapell, did you look at cockpit yet ? https://cockpit-project.org/
[13:57] <gkapell> I know cockpit
[13:58] <ogra_> (should be in the repoo)
[13:58] <ogra_> *repos
[13:58] <gkapell> I just a local repo for my linux OS
[14:00] <sokoro> τορα τευλετεα το you toy τραβαη πολουσ πορουσ απο το συστιμα
[14:03] <gkapell> I suppose that noone knows who the lines in source.list should be in order for ubuntu to get packages from spacewalk
[14:04] <sokoro> συγνομη αν   κανο λαθοσ αν χερετε κατι εσεισ
[14:09] <sokoro> καλη χρονια σε ολουσ ειμε αλλιεν συγνομη
[14:11] <ELQEYNN> After changing my password on the ordinary user, that same password no longer worked for root. The password before the change no longer worked.
[14:13] <sokoro> ειμε απλοσ χρηστισ εχο 5 χρονια λινουχ θε τα αλλαζο
[14:13] <ELQEYNN> Can software still be downloaded off of Spotify?
[14:13] <ELQEYNN> sokoro, I can't read Greek.
[14:14] <gkapell> I can and he is full of spelling errors...
[14:14] <gkapell> my eyes...
[14:14] <leftyfb> !gr | sokoro
[14:14] <leftyfb> ELQEYNN: cat /etc/os-release | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:15] <rjwiii> sokoro: This is the English Ubuntu support channel ... try #ubuntu-gr
[14:21] <ELQEYNN> leftyfb, It says "missing port number".
[14:22] <leftyfb> ELQEYNN: try typing it correctly this time
[14:22] <sokoro> που κανο μετεφραση αυτα που βλεπο εδο
[14:23] <leftyfb> sokoro: stop
[14:34] <ELQEYNN> leftyb, I typed it as you said. And it gave me the url https:://termbin.com/cl91.
[14:35] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:35] <ELQEYNN> Hi
[14:35] <leftyfb> ELQEYNN: ok, how did you change your user password exactly?
[14:36] <ELQEYNN> a thing that my consultant sent me ... type my current password then the new password then verify new password
[14:37] <leftyfb> ELQEYNN: please explain in detail how you changed the user password.
[14:38] <ELQEYNN> It was the form that my consultant sent me, and I filled in the form.
[14:38] <leftyfb> ELQEYNN: a form? what kind of form? A website or a document?
[14:40] <leftyfb> ELQEYNN: it sounds like this is not an ubuntu support question but more an issue you need to bring up with your "consultant"
[14:41] <ELQEYNN> After typing the url, it simply repeated the os-release file.
[14:42] <leftyfb> ELQEYNN: please contact your consultant for support. It sounds like they are the ones maintaining your machine for you anyway
[14:43] <ELQEYNN> oh well.
[14:43] <ogra_> what does "that same password no longer worked for root" even mean ?
[14:44] <ELQEYNN> Was my root password supposed to be in /etc/os-release ?
[14:44] <ogra_> do you have a root user enabled ?
[14:44] <ogra_> (or rather a "root login" )
[14:44] <ELQEYNN> I did a root log-in ...
[14:44] <ELQEYNN> also a su root in terminal.
[14:45] <ELQEYNN> And it said "incorrect password".
[14:46] <leftyfb> ELQEYNN: you should not be logging in as root
[14:46] <ogra_> well, if you did a root login (not via su but through the login prompt), the root user has its own password ... which is hopefully different from the user password
[14:46] <ogra_> and what leftyfb said ... *DO NOT ENABLE ROOT* if you cate about security, use sudo as pre-set-up by ubuntu
[14:46] <ogra_> *care
[14:46] <ELQEYNN> In doing desktop linux, I always made the root password the same as the user password.
[14:47] <leftyfb> ELQEYNN: you should not be logging in as root
[14:47] <ELQEYNN> or with a su ?
[14:47] <ogra_> no
[14:47] <ogra_> use sudo
[14:48] <ogra_> "sudo -s" gives you a proper root shell without weakening your security
[14:51] <sokoro> αν βρησ ακρη δεν βιαζομε
[14:52] <ogra_> !gr | sokoro
[14:56] <leftyfb> sokoro: Σταματήστε να πληκτρολογείτε στα ελληνικά. Κανείς εδώ δεν μπορεί να διαβάσει ελληνικά. Αυτό είναι ένα κανάλι υποστήριξης μόνο στα Αγγλικά. Εάν χρειάζεστε υποστήριξη, πληκτρολογήστε στα Αγγλικά. Αν θέλετε απλώς να συνομιλήσετε, πηγαίνετε στο
[14:56] <leftyfb>  #ubuntu-gr.
[14:59] <sokoro> ολλα καλα
[15:05] <sokoro> βαλτε ελλινικα τι αστερια ειστε στο λινουχ χερο θα γινη αλα αργα 2023
[15:05] <node1> Which brand of pen tablet is compatible for Ubuntu 20.04 ?
[15:05] <leftyfb> sokoro: ΝΑ ΣΤΑΜΑΤΗΣΕΙ
[15:06] <ELQEYNN> So now I've got to just wipe the disk and reinstall ubuntu?
[15:07] <sokoro> ti stamatao
[15:08] <sokoro> ok ok ok
[15:08] <leftyfb> sokoro: do you have a support question?
[15:08] <orange1> can you read and write files on blueray disk with ubuntu. i dont mean play movies
[15:08] <kostkon> sokoro, have you got a support question otherwise please stop trolling the channel
[15:09] <ELQEYNN> You can use the Google translator.
[15:09] <sokoro> no problen ueks
[15:11] <ELQEYNN> sokoro, ξέρεις πώς να χρησιμοποιήσεις το Google Translator?
[15:11] <leftyfb> ELQEYNN: stop
[15:12] <ELQEYNN> Do I now have to wipe my disk and reinstall ubuntu?
[15:12] <leftyfb> ELQEYNN: for what?
[15:13] <ELQEYNN> Would that be the only way to recover access to root?
[15:13] <leftyfb> ELQEYNN: why do you need to login as root?
[15:13] <ELQEYNN> to install hexchat and other application software
[15:14] <coz_> no no
[15:14] <ELQEYNN> on my laptop
[15:14] <leftyfb> ELQEYNN: you do not need to login as root to do any of those. Use the software store
[15:14] <leftyfb> ELQEYNN: what does your "consultant" have to do with your passwords exactly?
[15:14] <jkc> ELQEYNN: root is disabled by default. You should be using sudo to perform administrative tasks, or use the software store.
[15:14] <sokoro> ευχαριστο ολουσ ναστε καλα
[15:14] <leftyfb> !op | sokoro
[15:15] <ELQEYNN> How would I get to the software store?
[15:15] <leftyfb> ELQEYNN: what does your "consultant" have to do with your passwords exactly?
[15:15] <ogra_> by clicking on the icon
[15:16] <ELQEYNN> After the session with the consultant was over, I changed my password.
[15:16] <leftyfb> ELQEYNN: you said they sent you a form to change your password
[15:17] <ELQEYNN> yes. After my consultant no longer had access to my laptop, I used that form.
[15:17] <jkc> What does that have to do with your local password?
[15:17] <ELQEYNN> I didn't want him to see my new password.
[15:18] <coz_> ELQEYNN, and you forgot the new password?
[15:18] <leftyfb> ELQEYNN: you said your consultant sent you a form. How did they send it to you? What did it look like? Can you post a screenshot of the form?
[15:18] <coz_> ^^^^^^^ very curious
[15:18] <ELQEYNN> sent it by putting it on the screen.
[15:19] <ELQEYNN> After terminating the session, the form was still there.
[15:19] <ogra_> coz_, they did set a root PW for whatever obscure reason, this was the same as the user password apparently ... then had a consultation and changed the user password .. now they are not the same password anymore ... which triggered the last hour of mess above ...
[15:20] <oerheks> oh, setting root password makes support useless
[15:20] <ELQEYNN> jkc, ... Are you there?
[15:20] <oerheks> time to reinstall ELQEYNN
[15:21] <ELQEYNN> So, I'll have to wipe the disk and reinstall?
[15:21] <oerheks> why setting a root password in the first place?
[15:22] <ELQEYNN> Why would the previous password not work for root anymore?
[15:23] <oerheks> yes, you tell us?
[15:23] <ogra_> because they are two disctinct users ...
[15:23] <ELQEYNN> jkc said that root is disabled by default ...
[15:23] <ogra_> ... with two distinct passwords ...
[15:23] <ogra_> it is
[15:23] <ogra_> on purpose ... for security reasons
[15:24] <oerheks> there is no root password, so if you did a tweak to do so, you are on your own
[15:24] <ogra_> root is disabled on ubuntu since day one ... if you set a password for the rot account, you effectively enable that account...
[15:24] <ELQEYNN> didn't do any tweeks. ... no root password?
[15:25] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo#root_account
[15:25] <ogra_> th account is locked ... unless you set a password
[15:27] <ELQEYNN> good thing to know: There is no need to use root.
[15:27] <oerheks> indeed, ubuntu makes administrating easier
[15:28] <ELQEYNN> So, how do I get to the software store?
[15:29] <ogra_> ELQEYNN, hit the windows key ... type "soft" ... you should see an icon for "Ubuntu Software" ... click that icon ... wait ...
[15:30] <oerheks> olalala
[15:31] <orange1> ha
[15:33] <Aarch64debian> !info exagear
[15:33] <Aarch64debian> woot
[15:33] <ELQEYNN> OK. I'm glad that there is no need for root access.
[15:33] <leftyfb> ELQEYNN: please answer the questions
[15:34] <ELQEYNN> leftyfb Everything you and the others told me and asked was lost with all the netsplits.
[15:34] <leftyfb> ELQEYNN: how did the consultant connect to your laptop and for what reason?
[15:35] <ELQEYNN> The consultant installed ubuntu.
[15:35] <ELQEYNN> I was very happy, because  it accesses WiFi just fine.
[15:35] <Aarch64debian> !info exagear
[15:36] <leftyfb> Aarch64debian: you already did that, please stop
[15:36] <ELQEYNN> What is impish?
[15:38] <ELQEYNN> So, ... I'm glad that root acess isn't needed. Now, how do I get to the software store?
[15:39] <leftyfb> ELQEYNN: the same exact way you open every other application on your ubuntu desktop
[15:39] <oerheks> if yu cannot run sudo apt update, softwarestore is also unreachable
[15:39] <leftyfb> ELQEYNN: maybe you should contact your "consultant" for these questions.
[15:39] <ELQEYNN> I tried  install <software name>.
[15:40] <coz_> ELQEYNN, with sudo apt install ?
[15:40] <leftyfb> ELQEYNN: you should probably contact your "consultant" to help you use the OS they installed for you. Or you could type "How to use ubuntu" into google or youtube for some beginner help
[15:41] <ELQEYNN> ok ... Thanks. ...  I've got a doctor's appointment now.  bbl
[15:42] <coz_> very curious
[15:43] <leftyfb> obvious troll is obvious. It's not the first time we've had to deal with them
[15:43] <unixbeard> hi!  I'm trying to get wi-fi working on Ubuntu 20.04 kernel 5.11 for a thinkpad E15 gen3
[15:43] <coz_> ah ok leftyfb
[15:44] <unixbeard> I'm not sure what the adapter is in dmesg or lspci, but the wired appears to be a realtek r8169
[15:44] <leftyfb> unixbeard: lspci | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:45] <leftyfb> unixbeard: oh wait, can you get it wired first?
[15:45] <unixbeard> https://termbin.com/3i8p
[15:45] <unixbeard> it is wired
[15:46] <unixbeard> I suspect I may have to use a later kernel or 21.10, but I'd rather stick with 20.04 if possible.
[15:48] <leftyfb> unixbeard: https://ask.fedoraproject.org/t/wifi-on-thinkpad-e14-gen3-install-missing-firmware/15140/2
[15:49] <oerheks> ah same answer, build from git https://www.py4u.net/discuss/1140675
[15:49] <ogra_> "This code will build on any kernel 5.4 and newer as long as the distro has not modified any of the kernel APIs.  NO, I WILL NOT MODIFY THE SOURCE FOR YOU.
[15:49] <leftyfb> oerheks: unfortunately, realtek has not opensourced their drivers or built .debs for us to install
[15:49] <ogra_> better not ...
[15:50] <unixbeard> ugh
[15:50] <leftyfb> ogra_: I saw that a well. I don't think they have a choice. But people as recent as 6 months ago have said they have worked
[15:51] <ogra_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1945967
[15:51] <ogra_> looks like the linuxoem package has a proper backport of the module
[15:51] <ogra_> *linux-oem
[15:52] <leftyfb> too bad they don't have a linux-oem-hwe
[15:54] <unixbeard> the reason I don't want to use 21.10 is  due to some trackpad bug I ran into backing the windows install on this new thinkpad up using uhhh rescuezilla.  I had to use an older version of rescuezilla when I ran into that.
[15:56] <leftyfb> unixbeard: rescuezilla isn't a supported application in ubuntu. I'm not sure what that has to do with the version of ubuntu you installed
[15:58] <unixbeard> leftyb, idk its based on ubuntu and the latest version uses 21.10's kernel which had an issue with the trackpad that lead to a kernel panic
[15:59] <unixbeard> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1371042/ubuntu-21-10-install-stuck-with-lenovo-thinkpad-e15-gen2-because-of-elan-error/1371050
[16:00] <leftyfb> unixbeard: ok, so you're actually asking for support with the wifi card within rescuezilla and not a fresh install of the officially supported ubuntu iso's?
[16:00] <unixbeard> no
[16:00] <unixbeard> No :( I am just mentioning this as an aside, as to one reason why I don't want to resolve my wi-fi issue with a later kernel in 21.10 because I think it will present other issues.
[16:01] <leftyfb> unixbeard: you can't make assumptions about Ubuntu releases based on 3rd party spinoffs of ubuntu
[16:01] <unixbeard> I currently have Ubuntu 20.04 installed on the E15 right now and am about to build lwfinger's driver.
[16:02] <oerheks> :-)
[16:02] <unixbeard> that's why I made assumptions based on the link I posted above instead
[16:02] <FlorianBad> Hi there, I hacked a ChromeBox using MrChromebox.tech scripts so now I can run Linux on it as well. I cloned the original NVMe of 256GB to a new one of 1TB and then used fdisk to create new partitions in the unused space. However I cannot get Ubuntu install to detect the partitions. In the first photo you can see that parted has a problem with it
[16:02] <FlorianBad> too though. https://florianbador.com/pub/202201-chromebox-hack/
[16:02] <ioria> unixbeard, why don't you use  https://github.com/lwfinger/rtw88 ? it builds fine (but idk if it will work)
[16:03] <unixbeard> 16:01 < unixbeard> I currently have Ubuntu 20.04 installed on the E15 right now and am about to build lwfinger's driver.
[16:03] <FlorianBad> (partitions 1 to 13 were the originals from ChromeOS, 14 to 19 at my new ones)
[16:06] <leftyfb> FlorianBad: what you are doing is a pretty "on your own" type of thing. As far as I know, Ubuntu does not officially support being installed on chromebooks
[16:07] <FlorianBad> leftyfb: not a chromebook, a chromebox, meaning, really just a PC with a few firemware tweaks. But here this is not the issue, the problem is what I've done with the partitions. They must be somewhat messed up but I'm not sure how exactly
[16:08] <oerheks> if you just clear the whole nvme? you said it is just a copy
[16:08] <FlorianBad> Right, took me 3h to copy though ;)
[16:09] <leftyfb> FlorianBad: go into the bios, disable secureboot, boot to an ubuntu iso downloaded from Ubuntu.com, wipe the drive completely and let's see what drive shows
[16:10] <FlorianBad> What I did was copying the 256GB NVMe to the 1TB using dd, then I used fdisk to clean up the incorrect parititon tables (with a write) while I also added more partitions in the extra space left which I now indend to use to put some Linux systems. And here there's something that I must be missing
[16:10] <leftyfb> If you're looking to keep chromeos and it's custom partitioning scheme, again, that is a pretty "on your own" type thing
[16:11] <FlorianBad> leftyfb: I'm already on that Ubuntu iso after having disabled the ChromeOS boot limitations, but I'd like to avoid clearing the disk because it will take me another 3h just to copy back the data
[16:12] <FlorianBad> I guess my question isn't Ubuntu related, I should have made this clear
[16:12] <FlorianBad> The question is about partitions. The way I copied the data probably got something messed up, but I don't know what. Probably that writing with fdisk was not enough to fix the partitions
[16:14] <oerheks> i see no overlap, also EFI is far from the start of the disk
[16:15] <oerheks> i would start fresh though, you just made linux partitions and they are empty?
[16:15] <FlorianBad> Hmm, one thing I didn't consider what that I still had the original drive plugged, which means that all partitions probably had the same UUID on both disks
[16:16] <FlorianBad> oerheks: yes empty, but copying that data was long lol, the end goal is to have both the ChromeOS stuff untouched and whatever Linux systems I want in the rest of the space
[16:17] <oerheks> even if they had same UUID, copying gives the partition an new unique one
[16:17] <oerheks> most common issue when cloning a drive
[16:18] <FlorianBad> oerheks: hmm, how so? dd doesn't know what a partition is
[16:18] <FlorianBad> I cloned the whole dev
[16:19] <FlorianBad> ah.. interesting, now that I removed the original drive I get a new error, a block size issue : https://florianbador.com/pub/202201-chromebox-hack/20220105_081723.jpg
[16:20] <FlorianBad> ah wait, it
[16:20] <FlorianBad> it's the wrong device.... sdb is not the nvme...
[16:22] <FlorianBad> https://florianbador.com/pub/202201-chromebox-hack/20220105_082134.jpg
[16:22] <FlorianBad> yeah so there's still this "overlapping partitions" thing
[16:28] <FlorianBad> yeah that's strange, I don't see any overlapping partitions either
[16:37] <lacrymology>  /quit
[16:49] <jkc> oerheks: Depends on how you copy it. If you dd it over, the UUID comes with it.
[16:58] <FlorianBad> Could this issue about the Ubuntu installer not seeing the partitions come from the fact that it's GPT? I guess it should have no problem handling gpt, right?
[17:00] <toddc> FlorianBad: I only use GPT to install ubuntu no matter what size drive unless duel boot was installed MBR you can alway manually set partitions and grub location
[17:05] <FlorianBad> ok
[17:18] <unixbeard> leftyfb: thanks, github.com/lwfinger/rtw89 appears to work with ubuntu 20.04 for this thinkpad E15 gen3.  I also confirmed that 21.10 fails to install with a kernel panic on this laptop.
[17:18] <mncheck> shade doesn't seem to work for me on 20.04 even though in gnome-tweaks > window titlebars > middle-click is set to toggle shade , am I doing something wrong?
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> mncheck: all around tweaks, try dconf-editor aswell
[17:22] <mncheck> lotuspsychje, org/gnome/desktop/wm/keybindings/toggle-shaded was [] (ie.empty)
[17:26] <mncheck> lotuspsychje, I've set it to ['<Alt>F11'] which worked but can't seem to untoggle now
[17:26] <mncheck> lotuspsychje, thanks for before
[17:42] <zaggynl> anyone running certbot on ubuntu 20.04? it fails to start for me with the following python error: https://paste.debian.net/plain/1226021
[17:47] <rfm> zaggynl, it's working fine for me but I have version 1.22.0. Looks like you have 0.40.0, maybe from the ubuntu universe repos?
[17:48] <zaggynl> ye
[17:48] <rfm> zaggynl, seems to me that I read that the repo version was unmaintained  (I wouldn't have changed to the snap version if I had a choice...)
[17:49] <zaggynl> certbot/focal-updates,now 0.40.0-1ubuntu0.1 all [installed]
[17:49] <leftyfb> zaggynl: I'm running .40 on focal and it's working fine for me
[17:49] <zaggynl> issue seems to be with parsedatetime on my side
[17:51] <zaggynl> I really don't like using snap either but rebuilding the box with something rolling is for another day
[17:52] <ogra_> well, snaps are rolling 🙂
[17:52] <zaggynl> I forget why I disliked snaps again, something with a proprietary back end or so
[17:52] <ogra_> pfft
[17:52] <rfm> zaggynl, the traceback seems to have parsedatetime failing on a locaization resource.  What locale are you running  I;m in US.UTF-8.  Maybe try that?
[17:53] <zaggynl> rfm: looks like: https://paste.debian.net/plain/1226022
[17:54] <ogra_> (there is nothing proprietary involved in snaps anywhere ... people complain tat canonical does not disclose the store code though ... but thats just a generic webserver and database)
[17:56] <leftyfb> ogra_: there's certainly specific code that manages channels and versions. The main issue most admins have is the inability to pin a version and _NEVER_ update it .... until the user/admin decides to. I just had to do this myself where we are downloading the snap files to host ourselves, installing those and then completely disabling snapd so they never get touched
[17:58] <ogra_> leftyfb, the code that manages channels and versions is just the glue between DB and webserver ... but it is really not hard to write your own store, the snapd API is completely public .... (and in fact there are several projects working on such a server (see the snapcraft forum)
[17:59] <ogra_> leftyfb, you dont do regular maintenance windows within 2 months ? (you can hold snaps for 2 months by design)
[18:01] <leftyfb> ogra_: not within 2 months, no. Not for over 100 customers, a portion of which push back hard on us doing any updates at all. It's been brought up before but a couple years ago a new version of lxd was pushed automatically to all of our customer sites, taking them all down at once. That was fun
[18:01] <ogra_> oh my
[18:01] <leftyfb> yeah
[18:02] <leftyfb> packages automatically updating themselves in production is bad
[18:02] <leftyfb> even on a 2 month cadence
[18:02] <ogra_> well, that behaviour was worked out with actual enterprise customers 🙂
[18:02] <leftyfb> we moved to apt after that. But now with focal we don't have a choice
[18:02] <leftyfb> ogra_: wrong enterprise customers
[18:03] <ogra_> the ones that pay canonical
[18:03] <leftyfb> right, the other 99% of businesses using snap might have some input though
[18:04] <ogra_> but the dont have a field engineer for giving direct input i suppose
[18:04] <ogra_> *they
[18:04] <leftyfb> the point stands though
[18:04] <leftyfb> it's might be fine for a small percentage of customers(paying or not). But I'm going to assume it's not fine for the majority
[18:05] <ogra_> leftyfb, well, the rest fo the world can eventually use https://docs.ubuntu.com/snap-store-proxy/en/airgap ...
[18:06] <ogra_> (once it is out of beta)
[18:07] <leftyfb> I think I looked into that. I think I recall a cost being associated for Canonical to not have the ability to just take down customer deployments
[18:08] <leftyfb> "For evaluation purposes, we automatically grant the use of up to 5 devices"
[18:08] <zaggynl> snapshot and snap it is
[18:08] <ogra_> yeah, it is a paid thing ..
[18:08] <ogra_> but we're talking enterprise, dont we ?
[18:09] <leftyfb> sure. At this point we will be moving to ESXi over lxd. After that, if there are going to be snap packages we need to keep under control, they'll probably be more interested in just moving to a distro that provides said application without snap
[18:10] <leftyfb> Not entirely my call but I don't fault them for it either. In my opinion snap without pinning is not enterprise-ready
[18:11] <leftyfb> a paid proxy service is a hack solution at best
[18:12] <ogra_> well, yeah, it is not actually designed for that particuar use case either ... but can be used for it
[18:28] <Nobrem> please, please, please help me get rid of Java 8
[18:28] <Nobrem> my frustration level is over the roof
[18:28] <zaggynl> update: succeeded with certbot after apt remove cert and snap install certbot
[18:29] <Nobrem> I have tried everything, but that stuff is so persistent
[18:29] <zaggynl> eh? it grows back?
[18:29] <Nobrem> zaggynl, nah, it's like my Ex,  it just won't leave
[18:30] <zaggynl> heh, so what are you running into?
[18:30] <Nobrem> zaggynl, I want to compile an APK using gradle
[18:30] <Nobrem> but gradle keeps telling me:
[18:30] <Nobrem> > Android Gradle plugin requires Java 11 to run. You are currently using Java 1.8.
[18:31] <Nobrem> I configured:  "sudo update-alternatives --config java"
[18:31] <Nobrem> I ran:
[18:31] <Nobrem> sudo apt purge openjdk-8-jre-headless  openjdk-8-jdk-headless openjdk-8-jdk
[18:31] <Nobrem> and then:
[18:31] <Nobrem> sudo aptitude purge oracle-java8-set-default oracle-java8-installer
[18:31] <Nobrem> apt purge default-jre-headless
[18:31] <Nobrem> sudo update-alternatives --remove "java" "/usr/lib/jvm/java-8-oracle/jre/bin/java"
[18:31] <Nobrem> I tried it all
[18:31] <Nobrem> that persistent stuff won't let me use Gradle
[18:32] <zaggynl> so when does it come back?
[18:32] <Nobrem> my frustration is really over the roof,  I have been sitting on this for so long
[18:32] <Nobrem> zaggynl, the moment I use "gradle"
[18:32] <Nobrem> The error reads:
[18:32] <Nobrem> > Android Gradle plugin requires Java 11 to run. You are currently using Java 1.8.
[18:32] <Nobrem> so there is still some Java 1.8 lurking
[18:32] <Nobrem> or maybe it is because of the environment path I set?
[18:33] <Nobrem> /home/<user>/Android/Sdk ?
[18:33] <zaggynl> makes me wonder what version shows up if you run java --version or whatever it is
[18:34] <Nobrem> only 3 lines:
[18:34] <Nobrem> openjdk 11.0.13 2021-10-19
[18:34] <Nobrem> OpenJDK Runtime Environment (build 11.0.13+8-Ubuntu-0ubuntu1.18.04)
[18:34] <Nobrem> OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 11.0.13+8-Ubuntu-0ubuntu1.18.04, mixed mode, sharing)
[18:34] <zaggynl> https://stackoverflow.com/a/67002271
[18:35] <XV8> I am having issues with very low download speeds with some applications. Some suggest it is the Intel iwlwifi firmware shipped with Ubuntu that is the issue. I've downloaded the newest firmware release from kernel.org since it is a binary blob. I ran 'modprobe -r iwlwifi' and 'modprobe iwlwifi' and rebooted, but it still loads the same version. Has anyone else had this issue?
[18:36] <Nobrem> zaggynl, I am doing it in the command line... are you sure,  changing it in the GUI of Android Studio is right?
[18:37]  * Nobrem tries it
[18:38] <XV8> It has gotten to a point where some applications are at a screeching halt or like 1-2kbps, where if I flip to my Windows side, I get like 120-200Mbps
[18:40] <Nobrem> zaggynl, what program are they writing about?
[18:40] <Nobrem> Quote:  >> If the JVM points to version 1.8 then you should change it in settings. You can find it in Preferences → Build, Execution, Deployment → Build Tools → Gradle → *Gradle JDK.
[18:40] <Nobrem> I thought it was Android Studio but there is no such path
[18:42] <zaggynl> gradle from the looks of it, maybe a different version than yours? what shows up if you run gradlew --version?
[18:45] <FlorianBad> I created and formated an ext4 partition on an NVMe drive, I mounted it, no problem. The Ubuntu installer cannot see it though, it thinks there is no partition on that drive. How can I install to the mounting point instead? It only offers me the option to select an actual drive
[18:46] <Nobrem> zaggynl, my fault,  I found it in Android Studio
[18:46] <Nobrem> Thank you so much, zaggynl !
[18:46] <EriC^^> FlorianBad: can you share 'sudo parted -ls' ?
[18:46] <Nobrem> I am now testing if it works
[18:47] <Nobrem> brb
[18:49] <FlorianBad> EriC^^: parted complains about overlapping parittions, even though no sector actually overlaps: https://florianbador.com/pub/202201-chromebox-hack/20220105_075411.jpg
[18:54] <XV8> Here is some more information on my issues with the Intel AX200 Wi-Fi 6 device (iwlwifi): https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/w3HQJ2qFcJ/
[19:26] <XV8> Reading some other threads, I do not have the backport-iwlwifi-dkms package installed, so I am not sure what else is missing here.
[19:26] <sevenpinkpanther> how can I force running certain app (Chrome) with parameters? .desktop file in ~/.local/share/applications is ignored after running it once, /etc/chromium-browser/defaults is also ignored after running it once
[19:26] <sevenpinkpanther> why it's always broken (eg running without needed parameters) after running it once?
[19:26] <sevenpinkpanther> latest stable Chrome, Ubuntu 20.04
[19:26] <sevenpinkpanther> how can I fix it?
[20:14] <Kexoni> hi everyone, I recently had problem installing Ubuntu and dualboot
[20:14] <Kexoni> well, I reinstalled Windows and installed Elementary OS as second OS
[20:15] <Kexoni> and I am trying to figure out why I cannot install Ubuntu
[20:16] <leftyfb> Kexoni: are you asking for help with Elementary OS or Ubuntu? Are you trying to install 2 OS's or 3?
[20:16] <Kexoni> I can install only if I select second option "erase disk and install", but if I manually select boot (fat32) and / partition it won't boot
[20:16] <Kexoni> leftyfb, I had problems recently with Ubuntu
[20:17] <Kexoni> Elementary is Ubuntu-based, right?
[20:17] <oerheks> UEFI system?
[20:17] <Kexoni> yes, UEFI
[20:17] <oerheks> disable secure boot, might help
[20:17] <leftyfb> Kexoni: Elementary OS is not an official flavor of Ubuntu and not supported here
[20:21] <Kexoni> leftyfb, I understand completely, but I just wanted to share information and to figure out why I had problem installing Ubuntu
[20:22] <leftyfb> Kexoni: we can only troubleshoot ubuntu. If you want to download the iso for ubuntu, we'll be happy to troubleshoot installing Ubuntu with you
[20:25] <Kexoni> thanks leftyfb , now I will need some time to take a rest of installing and dualboot, this was problem for one week... I will come again when I decide to install Ubuntu :)
[20:45] <kenanmarasli> hello, I'm installing ubuntu but I'm not sure if it is progressing, the progress bar at the bottom of the install window is not visible, I have been waiting but it has been a while now
[20:46] <kenanmarasli> should I restart the process, or do I need to do something else?
[20:48] <sarnold> kenanmarasli: you can probably get to a new virtual console with control+alt+f1 or control+alt+f2 etc -- I'm not sure which virtual console the installer is on any more, so try em all when you want to return to it :)
[20:49] <sarnold> kenanmarasli: anyway, once you've changed to another virtual console you can probably use top, or ps, or vmstat 1, etc, to try to figure out what the system is doing and see if it looks like it's making progress
[20:49] <kenanmarasli> sarnold: it is f2 but it does not accept my credentials for ubuntu, I'm sure they are correct
[20:49] <EriC^^> kenanmarasli: try to press alt+space+m then move it up with the cursors so the progress bar is visible
[20:49] <EriC^^> *cursors = up arrow
[20:50] <kenanmarasli> EriC^^: I'll try that
[20:50] <EriC^^> there's a tiny arrow there that if you click will open a terminal and show you what it's doing
[20:50] <ioria> kenanmarasli, for the tty  : username = ubuntu; password = empty
[20:52] <kenanmarasli> ioria: that logged me in, thank you
[20:52] <ioria> kenanmarasli, ok
[20:52] <kenanmarasli> I'll check what the system does now
[20:53] <ioria> kenanmarasli, how long has been stuck ?
[20:56] <MrCollinsGA> during installation of ubuntu on a disk I used to have windows on it. Is there a way for me to eliminate sector 0? (Im sure its something else lol)
[20:56] <MrCollinsGA> its a SSD
[20:56] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: not without losing data on the drive currently
[20:57] <MrCollinsGA> thats fine. I think its just on the 'head' I get a windows blue screen 'recovery' o'death
[20:57] <MrCollinsGA> thats fine. its 20.04 what can I do I just spun it up
[20:58] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: what will be the end result of this drive? Will it have Windows or Ubuntu or both on it?
[20:58] <MrCollinsGA> ubuntu only sir
[20:58] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: ok, then just install ubuntu.
[20:59] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: make sure to pick the option to erase the entire drive
[20:59] <MrCollinsGA> I did that and here I am.
[20:59] <MrCollinsGA> its weird!
[21:00] <MrCollinsGA> it used to have windows on the drive but then I put ubuntu on it lik a year ago and havent used it, just now installed ubuntu and did erase entire drive
[21:00] <MrCollinsGA> fresh ubuntu install on reboot windows recovery blue screen
[21:01] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: how many storage devices are plugged into this machine?
[21:01] <MrCollinsGA> 1
[21:01] <MrCollinsGA> I also have a cdrom but no cd/dvd is in it
[21:01] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: are you booted to an ubuntu live cd/usb?
[21:01] <MrCollinsGA> no I honestly dont think so
[21:02] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: then how are you doing the ubuntu install?
[21:02] <MrCollinsGA> I can select a different 'device' at boot and it boots into ubuntu with the live usb disconnected
[21:02] <MrCollinsGA> im using a thumb drive
[21:02] <MrCollinsGA> and its disconnected now that the install is over
[21:03] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: boot to the ubuntu "thumb drive" installer
[21:03] <leftyfb> and then open a terminal
[21:03] <MrCollinsGA> ok gimme a min
[21:04] <MrCollinsGA> ok terminal open
[21:05] <leftyfb> do you have internet access on it?
[21:05] <MrCollinsGA> im at try ubuntu or install ubuntu
[21:05] <MrCollinsGA> yes
[21:05] <MrCollinsGA> wired
[21:05] <leftyfb> "try ubuntu"
[21:05] <MrCollinsGA> ok
[21:05] <leftyfb> then open a terminal
[21:05] <leftyfb> lsblk | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:07] <MrCollinsGA> https://termbin.com/w50a
[21:08] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: why are there so many partitions?
[21:08] <MrCollinsGA> no idea. I havent indicated so much
[21:08] <MrCollinsGA> is there a way to have ubuntu delete all of it and ill start over no data backup needed
[21:08] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: it looks like you haven't told the installer to erase the drive for the instlal
[21:08] <leftyfb> yes
[21:08] <MrCollinsGA> I did.
[21:08] <MrCollinsGA><PHONE_NUMBER>%
[21:08] <leftyfb> go through the installer and tell it to wipe the drive
[21:08] <MrCollinsGA> ok
[21:09] <leftyfb> the installer should show you a summary of the partitions it's going to setup before it proceeds. You should only have 2. root(/) and /boot
[21:11] <MrCollinsGA> I didnt see a summary  but I did select the third option which was erase all on the disk including other operating systems
[21:12] <MrCollinsGA> leftyfb, thank you for your kind help
[21:12] <MrCollinsGA> installing now :)
[21:13] <jhutchins> leftyfb: What's your rationalisation for a separate /boot?
[21:14] <leftyfb> jhutchins: I'm pretty sure the installer sets up LVM by default these days with a separate /boot
[21:14] <leftyfb> I guess I could be wrong there
[21:14] <leftyfb> I do it because I choose an encrypted LVM which requires a separate /boot
[21:14] <MrCollinsGA> it asked me to use LVM in advanced features I elected not to. Would that have been netter
[21:14] <MrCollinsGA> performance wise
[21:15] <MrCollinsGA> lvm logical volume manager?
[21:15] <leftyfb> nah, not needed unless you want to add additional drives to your volume and/or encrypt the entire drive
[21:15] <MrCollinsGA> not needed :) thank you
[21:23] <swix> Hi there! Im kinda new here... What is this place?
[21:24] <leftyfb> swix: this is a support channel for Ubuntu. Do you have a support question?
[21:25] <swix> Aaa so... Nop, 4 now not... Im runed into this app while exploring Ubuntu and whas corious what you guys do here.
[21:25] <swix> Tnx. 4 the info.
[21:28] <jhutchins> MrCollinsGA: LVM actually introduces a bit of overhead, but you're unlikely to see it except on very large, busy sites.
[21:35] <bobdobbs> How can I tell which desktop environment I'm using? I'm not sure if I'm using gnome or kde
[21:35] <jhutchins> bobdobbs: You should ask the person who set up the computer what they chose.
[21:35] <bobdobbs> that'd be me
[21:36] <leftyfb> bobdobbs: echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP
[21:36] <bobdobbs> leftyfb: thanks
[21:36] <jhutchins> It's been a long time since I used KDE, but it seems like they had lots of "K" logo branding on things.
[21:36] <leftyfb> bobdobbs: first result on google for "ubuntu determine desktop environment"
[21:37] <bobdobbs> doh
[21:37] <jhutchins> bobdobbs: In a terminal, you could run ps ax.
[21:39] <jhutchins> bobdobbs: We're all waiting curiously for the results...
[21:40] <bobdobbs> jhutchins: $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP returns 'KDE'.
[21:40] <bobdobbs> so I guess that answers it :)
[21:40] <bobdobbs> That was dumb of me. I should have googled first.
[21:42] <bobdobbs> My mission at the moment is to re-enable desktop compositing. I think it's disabled, because I used to have a transparency effect enabled in the KDE terminal emulator. But currently there's no transparency. And when I enter the KDE terminal emulators appearance settings, I get a message saying that transparency isn't supported
[21:42] <jhutchins> Google is great - if you know what term to search for.
[21:42] <bobdobbs> So at present I'm hunting around the Desktop settings
[21:43] <leftyfb> bobdobbs: you might try asking for help with KDE on ubuntu in #kubuntu
[21:43] <bobdobbs> leftyfb: good call. I might do that, if I'm still stuck in, say, twenty minutes or so
[21:45] <mort> Apparently webGL works in the Firefox 95 apt package, but not in the Firefox 95 snap
[21:47] <bobdobbs> hmm... I've re-enabled the desktop compositor and restarted the terminal emulator. But still can't get transparency. Might reboot and see if that  kicks the settings
[21:49] <webchat11> Mid 2012 MacBook Pro Ubuntu version and installation guide?
[21:49] <webchat11> I need to test a friends macbook for a potential hardware issue so wondering which version of Ubuntu I should download, the procedure to write it to USB stick and the boot procedure?
[21:49] <webchat11> I have zero macbook experience hence me posting for the first time in ages.
[21:49] <leftyfb> webchat11: what have you found in your search so far?
[21:50] <webchat11> forum is quiet
[21:50] <leftyfb> webchat11: there are several tutorials and even a youtube video if you search google for "install ubuntu on macbook pro 2012"
[21:54] <webchat11> leftyfb: I just want to boot a version of ubuntu that will work, no installation
[21:55] <leftyfb> webchat11: ok, 3rd paragraph on the 1st non-video result on google for "install ubuntu on macbook pro 2012"
[21:55] <leftyfb> webchat11: also, you really should be using OSX to determine issues with the macbook pro, not ubuntu
[22:03] <bobdobbs> To those watching my issue before: I got transparency back. I re-enabled compositing in the KDE settings. Then restarted the computer. Now I have my fancy shmancy back.
[22:12] <jhutchins> bobdobbs: Thanks for the follow-up.
[22:12] <bobdobbs> jhutchins: np :)
[22:15] <MrCollinsGA> jhutchins, good to know thank you
[22:26] <MrCollinsGA> so I installed ubuntu and have xrdp installed, every time I login I get 'please authenticate to create color profile' I followed the help on this link https://devanswers.co/how-to-fix-authentication-is-required-to-create-a-color-profile-managed-device-on-ubuntu-20-04-20-10/
[22:26] <MrCollinsGA> now every time I login it gives me a prompt that there is a system problem report or cancel. ugh
[22:27] <jhutchins> MrCollinsGA: Can you test it directly (without rdp)?
[22:28] <MrCollinsGA> doesnt happen unless im in rdp
[22:28] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: again, I thought we decided on doing everything automated over SSH, not GUI?
[22:28] <MrCollinsGA> i have the actual terminal close to me
[22:28] <MrCollinsGA> leftyfb, I cant. I dont know enough about bash to hash everything out. It woudl take me ages to figure out a script and write it.
[22:29] <MrCollinsGA> I have a few examples and I am patient but I dont have the time. After I get this working I will find a way to get it via just terminal. I appreciate you remembering.
[22:30] <MrCollinsGA> the script I need is make kden project files or the MLT files that kden outputs script from the command line or in terminal. I hit that brick wall. I dont expect anyone to help me with that that is something I have to tackle on my own. :(
[22:32] <MrCollinsGA> This is the goal: take kdenlive or any win64 & ubuntu based video editor and when I dont editing the video, the final encoding I want done on encoding slaves I have. I dont know how to create those scripts. thats it.
[22:32] <MrCollinsGA> done instead of dont*
[22:34] <MrCollinsGA> I have seen examples of some things that are close. I have tried and monkeyed around with some things I spent 2 solid entire days on it. could never get it to work. I am sure there is a way.
[23:07] <jhutchins> MrCollinsGA: Are you transcoding video or what?
[23:30] <marc_> Anyone know how i enable GEN3 on nvidia card
[23:34] <devslash> Im having an issue with Ubuntu 21.04. when I select Ubuntu, it shows loading ramdisk and returns to the grub prompt. If I go to advanced, it shows 5.11.0-40 which is the menu item that returns me to the grub prompt.   There's a way to trigger rebuilding it but I don't know it offhand.  Maybe just reinstall the kernel package?
[23:38] <devslash> im doing that more or less with apt
[23:39] <rfm> devslash, yeah, I think upgrading the firmware package is one of the many things that will trigger a initram update.
[23:41] <marc_> Wish i could trigger and NvME update its been a while and my NVme drives run like a dog under ubuntu the write speeds are terrible.
[23:42] <marc_> SSD Max Sequential Write CDM. Up to 2,000MB/s. under ubuntu 300mbs


[09:00] <mogul> this morning I notice gthumb core dumps on my two xubuntu 16.04 boxes. am I the only one?
[09:04] <mogul> It used to work so I must have updated something that made it break
[11:45] <sary> mogul: that's not the case in 17.10 it runs fine here in terminal with no core dump. try to purge it and re-install.
[12:10] <mogul> i tried purge/reinstall, did not help.Also i found a third machine where it is running just fine
[12:12] <mogul> of course the list of installed packages is nowhere identical between the machines
[12:26] <sary> are these two 16.04 fully updated! you may want to tpreform a stacktrace to catch the cuase of the crash, aslo create a new user account and see if crash remains there.
[12:27] <sary> mogul: ^.
[12:43] <mogul> both 16.04's are fully updated. also i already tried creating a new account which resulted the same
[12:45] <mogul> i have pulled the library list using ldd and produced a MD5 of every library loaded. these lists are identical as well when comparing between a machine where gthumb works and one where it segfaults
[17:05] <xthunderheartx> ARRRGH!!
[17:06] <xthunderheartx> I'm having bluetooth issues that look like they are related to bluetoothd
[17:07] <xthunderheartx> When the daemon starts it spews these: "Not enough free handles to register service"
[17:08] <xthunderheartx> And this: "Current Time Service could not be registered"
[17:09] <xthunderheartx> and this: "gatt-time-server: Input/output error (5)" ...
[17:09] <xthunderheartx> etc.
[17:10] <xthunderheartx> I saw some similar (exactly identical actually) complaints elsewhere.
[17:10] <xthunderheartx> But the resolution suggested, "it's fixed in 16.04" obviously doesn't work as that is what I'm running.
[17:12] <xthunderheartx> bluetoothctl seems to work fine.  I can see devices, pair, blah, blah.  If I fire off blueman-manager, it just puts a little tiny window up with a cancel button only.
[17:14] <xthunderheartx> And just for my own sanity, if there is *anyone* listening, please wave or something so I know I'm not typing to myself
[17:15]  * well_laid_lawn waves
[17:17] <xthunderheartx> Thx lawn :)
[17:23] <GridCube> o/
[17:23] <GridCube> bluethoot is a pain
[17:23] <GridCube> you have to make sure and double sure you have ALL the depends
[17:24] <GridCube> and still then sometimes works sometimes it doesnt
[17:36] <xthunderheartx> Yeah, I've been down similar roads with BT b4 ... like every single time I install.
[17:37] <xthunderheartx> I could just hit myself in the head with a brick each time and get the same effect.
[18:57] <xthunderheartx> OMG ... after installing every package in the Linux-verse having *anything* to do with bluetooth, notably the KDE stuff, it just started working.  I *hate* this kind of random shotgun engineering foo-smack !!!!


[01:26] <homebrewcider> Hi there, can someone help, I'm using Xubuntu 9.04. The computer is dual boot, with winblows on another drive. My clock in Xubuntu is always wrong. It is set up for the correct time zone, and to I've set it up to check internet servers, and adjusted it manually. In "/etc/default/rcS" I've set the "UTC" option to "yes", and "no", but it keeps being wrong on reboot. What can I do?
[02:32] <BTREE> BAN ME
[02:40] <FiReSTaRT> hey guys, just a couple of quick ones... can xubuntu run comfortably on a machine with only 256MB of ram and could you recommend a light-weight browser that'll still do java and flash without buggin'?
[02:51] <ewrjiwor> !ops
[02:51] <ewrjiwor> !ops
[02:52] <ewrjiwor> !troll
[02:52] <ewrjiwor> !ops
[02:55] <ewrjiwor> FInally ban me
[02:55] <ewrjiwor> kline me instead!
[07:02] <cjones> so i fust upgraded my grfx from onboard to an ati x600 pro what do i have to do to make sure the drivers are updated ?
[09:00] <johnnym3> hallo!
[10:51] <faLUCE> hi. how can I add a keyboard shortcut which switches to desktop N to desktop N+1 ?
[10:52] <faLUCE> hi. how can I add a keyboard shortcut which switches from current workspace to the next workspace ?
[10:53] <Sysi> ctrl + alt + ->/<-(arrows)
[10:54] <Sysi> in keyboard settings is options i guess
[10:55] <faLUCE> Sysi: yes, but it doesn't allow me to modify it
[10:56] <Sysi> create new?
[10:56] <faLUCE> I don't see this option Sysi
[10:57] <Sysi> i have "add" there
[10:58] <faLUCE> I only have "clear" and "reset to defaults"
[11:00] <faLUCE> Sysi: xubuntu version: 9.04
[11:00] <Sysi> hmm, you should have same
[11:01] <faLUCE> I go into "settings->window manager"
[11:03] <Sysi> double click
[11:04] <faLUCE> Sysi: thanks, solved. but this is a bug: I don't see nothing wich shows me that I can press the desired key
[11:04] <faLUCE> the popup which appears doesn't suggest anything in that sense
[11:58] <slow-motion> hi
[12:43] <nagyv> hi! I have an old laptop w/ an old xubuntu (feisty), and would like to upgrade it. Its CD-ROM doesn't work. Is there an easy way to upgrade it to Jaunty?
[12:55] <ablomen> !upgrade
[12:55] <ablomen> nagyv, ^
[12:55] <nagyv> thnx
[12:56] <slow-motion> !ntp
[13:09] <Ido_> Hey guys, umm, I can't find the Terminal, neither in Accessories, or in Application Finder. Help please.
[13:09] <Ido_> I need it to install Samba btw.
[13:11] <SiDi> Ido_: hi, try to do alt+F2 and launch "xfce4-terminal"
[13:12] <Ido_> Thanks :D
[13:12] <SiDi> can you do a quick ls .local/share/applications/ please ?
[13:12] <SiDi> i'm curious about why it disappeared
[13:14] <Ido_> Tried to write it in the terminal, it didn't really load anything, sorry if i'm doing it wrong, i'm very new to Linux
[13:15] <Ido_> Anyways, I also had a shortcut of the Recycle Bin and the HD when I first loaded Xubuntu, then when I restarted the comp it disappeared
[13:15] <Ido_> I wonder why it happened...oh I also installed all the updates that were available
[13:16] <Ido_> Also, I installed a language pack when I chose my language in the installation and it probably renamed everything...I think I should reinstall
[13:41] <Pres-Gas> Okay, so I have a Latitude 2100 with an 80 gig spindle drive...ready to install the betas of Xubu, Ubu/Moblin, and Ubu NBR!   :P
[13:42] <Pres-Gas> Good way to get my hands dirty with grub2 as well.
[13:44] <SiDi> I hope Ido_ won't reinstall
[13:44] <SiDi> tell him not to if he joins again... his problems are quite easy to fix :/
[13:50] <Pres-Gas> What is up, SiDi?
[13:51]  * Pres-Gas goes to the logs....
[13:54] <Pres-Gas> hmmmm...no logs for that time...how often does ubuntulog dump that stuff?
[16:13] <Ido_> Hi, I tried reinstalling Xubuntu with a disc that worked previously and when I load the system it says "GRUB loading, please wait..." and then "Error 18"
[16:14] <Ido_> Help please?
[16:15] <SiDi> Ido_: there was no reason to reinstall for the problems you had :(
[16:15] <SiDi> The error 18 usually comes from your BIOS not recognising your HDD because of large size partitions
[16:16] <Ido_> I know, I just wanted to retry it all because I started off really unorganized
[16:16] <SiDi> you should boot to your BIOS and check for an option letting you set your HDD from normal/auto to large
[16:16] <SiDi> did you create larger partitions than the previous time, by the way ?
[16:16] <Ido_> Not as far as
[16:16] <Ido_> I know
[16:16] <Ido_> Last time I formatted a Windows partition, now it was like, formatting a Xubuntu partition
[16:17] <Ido_> Maybe something wrong happened
[16:17] <Ido_> I'd check the bios, and if it won't work, this computer has 2 hard disks, one is 160GB but has a lot of problems, another is 60GB
[16:17] <Ido_> So i'd install on the 60GB
[16:17] <Ido_> Well thank you...
[18:18] <Ido_> Hello people, I have no clue on how to configure Samba and connect my Xubuntu to my home's Windows network. Connecting to that network is the main purpose of that computer. Help please?
[18:21] <TheSheep> !samba
[18:23] <likemindead> !donut
[18:23] <likemindead> :-(
[18:32] <genii> !pie
[18:32] <genii> Hm
[18:36] <basajaun> genii?
[18:36] <basajaun> genii what  was that page about ossv4 please?
[18:36] <genii> basajaun: Hag on i'll find it again
[18:37] <genii> *Hang
[18:38] <genii> basajaun: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenSound
[18:42] <basajaun> ty genii
[18:57] <hume> hi... I run ubuntu jaunty, switching between gnome and xfce4. now I cannot change wallpaper in xfce4 - any ideas on what might be wrong or how to solve it?
[19:00] <Pres-Gas> Okay, so the window manager on the beta Xubuntu live CD has no window manager?
[19:05] <likemindead> ...?
[19:05] <likemindead> That's doesn't sound good.
[19:06] <Pres-Gas> I am getting the torrent this time
[19:06] <likemindead> hume, can you switch it at all? Or does it mimic the GNOME wallpaper?
[19:07] <hume> likemindead, I can choose wallpaper in the settings, but nothing happens
[19:07] <hume> likemindead, solved now.... xfdesktop had crashed
[19:07] <hume> thx
[19:07] <likemindead> Ah... ;-)
[19:25] <thht> hello @ all. probably offtopic: i am currently testing the upcoming xubuntu release and i experience a major showstopper with the xubuntu - livecd
[19:26] <thht> i copied the "livecd" to an usb-stick and have tested it on my machine as well as on a virtual machine(virtualbox)
[19:27] <thht> in both test scenarios, the system boots as expected, however, in the GUI, *ALL* windows have no window decoration, so the windows cannot be moved or closed
[19:28] <thht> please note, this error occurs both booting directly from the host and booting inside a virtualbox
[19:33] <thht> hello @ all. probably offtopic: i am currently testing the upcoming xubuntu release and i experience a major showstopper with the xubuntu - livecd
[19:33] <slow-motion> hi
[19:33] <thht>  i copied the "livecd" to an usb-stick and have tested it on my machine as well as on a virtual machine(virtualbox)
[19:33] <thht>  in both test scenarios, the system boots as expected, however, in the GUI, *ALL* windows have no window decoration, so the windows cannot be moved or closed
[19:33] <thht>  please note, this error occurs both booting directly from the host and booting inside a virtualbox
[19:35] <Pres-Gas> thht, I just ran into the same thing...but downloaded the torrent instead and got windows
[19:35] <Pres-Gas> thht, how did you get the iso?
[19:36] <Pres-Gas> I think someone needs to check out the regular .iso file
[19:36] <thht> Pres-Gas: ditto, i downloaded the torrent (hey , were you blocking the traffic ?? ;-) and i first thought it was my machines fault, but it wasnt :(
[19:37] <Pres-Gas> LOL, thht, actually I was busy seeding up until about 10 min ago...so someone else must be blocking the tubes.
[19:37] <Pres-Gas> S?o, the torrent works for you, thht
[19:38] <thht> Pres-Gas: anyhow, i like the look and polish of the new release. i downloaded xubuntu alpha earlier in september, put it in virtualbox and everything runs fine(with latest updates applied)
[19:39] <Pres-Gas> But, are you confirming that the torrent works fine?
[19:40] <thht> Pres-Gas: well i just started seeding again, seems to be ok now ;-)
[19:41] <Pres-Gas> Good, I am installing now that I have window frames on the live cd...threw away the other cd I burnt
[19:42] <thht> moving windows and so on is ok again?
[19:43] <Pres-Gas> Yes
[19:44] <thht> guess i have to wait until this bug is fixed :(
[19:45] <Pres-Gas> How so, thht?  I said it works from the torrent file...
[19:46] <thht> Pres-Gas: not for me. Or is this an updated torrent you have?
[19:47] <Pres-Gas> I got mine at 2:04p EST
[19:48] <thht> thats my hash: 3fd5a73aac5b67b1deefa1429d6fc4507b4bf35e
[19:49] <thht> hi Besogon
[19:55] <Pres-Gas> I just did an md5sum on the resultant iso and it matches, so the torrent should be okay now.
[19:56] <thht> Pres-Gas: well, i just keep it for know. i will browse the bug-list and see if i can file a report, later.
[19:56] <Besogon> thht, hi
[20:20] <likemindead> WWwwwwhhhheeeee!
[20:22] <mikubuntu> hey, guys .. my buddy just calld me cause he wants to watch espn360.com the live game at 330, but when you goto channels>soccer and click on a live feed a new window pops up but just stays grey and won't play .. i tried it, and same thing.  actually i couldn''t get any nonlive stuff to play either.  could someone have a look at it?
[20:25] <likemindead> mikubuntu, I think it's a Silverlight issue or some proprietary foolishness on ESPN's part.
[20:26] <likemindead> Try this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1171798
[20:29] <mikubuntu> likemindead, ok, lemme go read .. were you able to get it to play?
[20:35] <likemindead> I haven't tried, personally.
[20:36] <mikubuntu> any sports fans in here who might have had success viewing www.espn360.com ??
[20:37] <mikubuntu> my buddy isn't gonna be on top of it enough to do the wine thing, and i'm an hour away, not to mention, i don't care about games either .. hahaha
[20:38] <likemindead> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=espn360+Ubuntu
[20:38] <likemindead> ;-)
[20:38] <mikubuntu> i'm saying that now, cause he may show up here in a while when he gets home and reads his mail told him how to get here
[20:39] <mikubuntu> oh, thats FUNNY, is that a labs thing?  i wanna use it!
[20:40] <mikubuntu> let me get that for you.com  hahaha
[20:40] <likemindead> I love it. ;-)
[20:40] <likemindead> http://lmgtfy.com/
[20:40] <mikubuntu> thats very useful, and humbling, and funny
[20:42] <likemindead> I use it A LOT.
[20:45] <mikubuntu> oh, yeah, i just adopted it too
[20:45] <mikubuntu> its geek porn
[21:19] <Laibsch> No matter what I do to "Settings - Appearance - Style" in xfce4-settings-manager, the title bar will keep the look of the 6nome style which is the first entry in my case.
[21:19] <Laibsch> How do I fix this?
[21:19] <Laibsch> up-to-date karmic system with xfce 4.6.1
[21:25] <TheSheep> Laibsch: are you sure xfwm4 is running, and not metacity or emerald or something?
[21:25] <Laibsch> yes
[21:26] <Laibsch> I was helped in #xfce
[21:26] <Laibsch> The change has to be done in
[21:26] <TheSheep> cool
[21:26] <Laibsch> "Settings - Window manager"
[21:26] <Laibsch> a little incosistent, it seems to me
[21:27] <Laibsch> but maybe I just need to learn
[21:27] <TheSheep> xfce's settings are pretty scattered
[21:28] <TheSheep> you configure keyboard shortcuts in two places too
[21:28] <TheSheep> I suppose that's because they want to keep the components separate
[21:31] <slow-motion> i have the keyboard layout switcher installed. but none of the russian keyboard layouts fit my keyboard.
[21:32] <slow-motion> When i use the russian layout under windows, then every key is there where it should be
[22:33] <Max__> hi Guys
[22:34] <Max__> anybody here can tell how can I make a usb ubuntu with only Chrome or firefox browser?
[22:35] <Max__> anybody here
[22:35] <Max__> ?
[22:35] <Max__> hellooooooooooooooooo
[23:51]  * Streamer testing
[23:51] <knome> Streamer, ping timeout. go play outside.


[03:19] <wolter> hey humphreybc
[03:19] <wolter> you there?
[07:14] <IlyaHaykinson> humphreybc: ping, email sent.
[09:36] <humphreybc> IlyaHaykinson: just read your email, sounds good. I'll get onto it tomorrow.
[10:08] <humphreybc> dutchie, ping
[10:09] <humphreybc> dutchie, you need to add in a cron job on your VPS to update the planet every 15 mins or so


[00:10] <rohan> kubotu: order bad beet
[00:10]  * kubotu slides bad beet down the bar to rohan
[00:10] <rohan> kubotu: order bad beer
[00:10]  * kubotu slides bad beer down the bar to rohan
[00:30] <ahoneybun> hello
[00:30] <ahoneybun> agaikn
[00:30] <ahoneybun> again
[00:48] <ahoneybun> Riddell: me and valorie believe that the Installation part of the Docs needs to be kept off for now till it is finished
[00:55] <soee> snele,
[01:56] <valorie> ahoneybun: you missed:
[01:56] <valorie> oops
[01:56] <valorie> welp, I'm about to leave for dinner
[01:56] <valorie> the basic page isn't 'basic' enough for a non-changing or seldom-changing minimal doc set
[01:56] <valorie> imo
[01:57] <valorie> however, it could be pruned down and become part of it, but that would take time and work
[01:57] <valorie> bbl
[01:57] <valorie> so, back
[02:18] <ahoneybun> back?
[02:20] <valorie> from dinner
[02:20] <ahoneybun> wb
[02:20] <valorie> tummy full of pizza, cheesecake, and dark IPA
[02:20] <valorie> soooo many calories!
[02:22] <ahoneybun> nice
[02:23] <ahoneybun> we could keep it out and work on it for a point release?
[02:23] <ahoneybun> +1
[02:26] <valorie> you went through the old docs a few months ago
[02:26] <valorie> how much work would it be to use those instead?
[02:26] <valorie> after updating, of course
[02:26] <valorie> the reason i ask, is that they are already in xml
[02:26] <valorie> well, docbook
[02:30] <ahoneybun> I'm not 100% sure as I am not good with DocBook
[02:31] <ahoneybun> we would need someone besides our selfs that is familiar with it
[02:31] <valorie> maybe darkwing would be willing to offer an opinion if asked, perhaps via email?
[02:31] <ahoneybun> *ourselves
[02:31] <valorie> I so miss him, and his knowledge
[02:31] <valorie> sec
[02:32] <ahoneybun> yea he is doing his own thing right now building a social network I believe
[02:33] <ahoneybun> I got a new notebook btw
[02:34] <valorie> nice
[02:35] <valorie> I should upgrade mine to beta and see how it does
[02:35] <ahoneybun> with Windows 8 installed
[02:35] <valorie> my testing has gone from scarce to non-existant
[02:35] <valorie> oh, how do you like it?
[02:35] <valorie> the only people so far that I've heard like it have tablets or phones
[02:36] <ahoneybun> good I like the searching
[02:36] <valorie> my husband isn't upgrading from 7
[02:36] <ahoneybun> on the start screen
[02:37] <ahoneybun> have 1TB HDD, 20GB SSD and a new i7 Gen 4
[02:37] <valorie> very nice
[02:37] <ahoneybun> yep
[02:37] <valorie> are you going to dual-boot it?
[02:37] <ahoneybun> I don't want to mess up the setup
[02:39] <ahoneybun> I also got a PS3
[02:44] <ahoneybun> I'm going to use a VM to test the new beta
[02:54] <ahoneybun> I'm not sure what Riddell put in the ISO
[03:05] <valorie> exactly what's on the website, afaik
[03:06] <valorie> which is not good, because 1. it isn't done, and 2. it isn't translated
[03:06] <valorie> and 3: it's too much, IMO
[03:32] <ahoneybun> well it is put out there now so people now it is being worked on so maybe it will draw more in?
[03:34] <valorie> that would be good, but unfinished work should certainly not be put on a final ISO
[03:53] <ahoneybun> it is a beta after all
[03:54] <valorie> right, I have no problem with that
[04:19] <ahoneybun> off I go valorie let's try to lay out a plan for the minimal set of docs and fix the basic page up some.
[04:23] <valorie> you rock, ahoneybun
[04:24] <ahoneybun> valorie: no we do :) the docs team
[04:25] <ahoneybun> anyway off I go
[04:25] <valorie> well, you're working tonight, and I'm just answering email and such
[05:08] <cortexA9> hello
[05:09]  * genii makes more coffee
[05:10] <cortexA9> there will be a daily today ?
[06:11] <cortexA9> hello
[08:16] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:16] <Sick_Rimmit> davmor2: Just coming back at you about that Mac Pro 1 install - the 12.04 LTS AMD64+mac ISO image solved the problem, All installed and running fine now, Thanx for you assistance, have a great day
[10:58] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[13:34] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1232306] screensaver does not work @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1232306 (by ill)
[13:35] <soee> good morning
[15:11] <BluesKaj> sheytan:  did you just change nicks ?
[15:11] <sheytan> nope
[15:12] <BluesKaj> ok nm'
[15:13] <BluesKaj> soee:  do you have that link for installing the 325 driver on optimus equipped laptops?
[15:15] <soee> BluesKaj, its not a big deal you just have to install nvdia bumblebee with drivers :) one second
[15:16] <soee> BluesKaj, you are on saucy?
[15:17] <soee> is so there is already bumblebee available to install, i did this from second comment: http://askubuntu.com/questions/348614/bumblebee-on-ubuntu-13-04-with-geforce-750m-and-driver-319
[15:17] <BluesKaj> iot's not for me , anyway he's gone now so nevermind
[15:17] <soee> ah ok :)
[15:18] <BluesKaj> ok thanks soee , il bookmark that for future reference
[16:15] <soee> yofel, someone working on fixing this 4.11.2 builds ?
[17:48] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1232306] screensaver does not work @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1232306 (by ill)
[21:03] <skreech_> Any ideas on integrating updates to the interface for kubuntu ?


[06:19] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] jobgenerator FAILURE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/jobgenerator/906/
[13:07] <ShellcatZero> I have heard that LXQt has to be recompiled in its entirety for some bugfixes (like broken mouse settings) to make it back to Lubuntu 20.04 LTS. Was this also the case with LXDE? I had thought there was some modularity with LXDE that did not require recompiling everything just to fix one component. As or right now, I cannot use Lubuntu LTS due to the regressions there.
[14:57] <kc2bez[m]> ShellcatZero: It might depend on where or what the bug fix is but I wouldn't think a complete recompile is necessary. Do you have a link to an issue or bug report?
[14:59] <kc2bez[m]> Also, the modularity of lxde vs LXQt is pretty much the same from my observation though I have less experience with lxde.