[20:25] <LjL> rana_: well the installer lets you manage your partitions as you see fit, resize them and everything. just, once again, you *should* have a backup in case things go wrong - resizing partitions is never a risk-free operation
[20:25] <Myr> Nothing ever is
[20:25] <mercury_> crassus:  have you done an apt-get dist-upgrade?
[20:26] <crassus> mercury_: Doesn't that upgrade the entire distro? I don't wanna upgrade from 10.04 Lucid.
[20:26] <LjL> crassus: no, it doesn't
[20:26] <crassus> I could be wrong though
[20:26] <crassus> What does dist-upgrade do?
[20:26] <mercury_> crassus:  what I'm told is, Apt-get dist-upgrade'ing also installs new packages brought in the chain of dependencies, whereas 'apt-get upgrade'ing only install newer versions of packages already installed"
[20:26] <LjL> crassus: it's like "upgrade" but tries to deal with conflicts in a smarter way, basically.
[20:27] <crassus> Ok, I'll try that
[20:27] <LjL> crassus: but remember PPAs are unsupported and could break everything, anyway ;)
[20:28] <wildc4rd> ok, stupid question, how do I change the default program for opening file types under Unity?
[20:28] <crassus> I trust banshee-team LjL :)
[20:28] <mercury_> there is a way to upgrade the whole distro, I've done it from synaptics before, I think
[20:28] <mercury_> sorry, previous was for :crassus:
[20:28] <DerpyHoovy> I've found absolutely no solutions on Google.
[20:28] <LjL> !default | wildc4rd, assuming this is still current
[20:28] <DerpyHoovy> The ones I did find didn't help at all.
[20:28]  * studioxps runs over and hugs Google
[20:29] <crassus> awesome, I have banshee 2.0.1 and can now sync my iPhone :D
[20:29] <mercury_> crassus:  yay!
[20:29] <crassus> thanks mercury_ and LjL
[20:29] <auronandace> !yay | crassus
[20:29] <auronandace> just missed him
[20:30] <mercury_> Derpyhoovy:  I don't know, there's a lot of things that it depends on I suppose ... grub1 or grub2?
[20:30] <mercury_> you've formatted gpt I suppose?
[20:30] <DerpyHoovy> grub2. Ubuntu 11.10.
[20:30] <wildc4rd> ta LjL, sorted
[20:30] <DerpyHoovy> no, my hardware isn't UEFI.
[20:30] <mercury_> Derpyhoovy:  hmm, you have a 3tb drive though?
[20:31] <DerpyHoovy> Yeah. I didn't exactly know they didn't work without UEFI before I bought it...
[20:31] <mercury_> derpyhoovy:  does grub try to install mbr?
[20:31] <bcbc2> DerpyHoovy: what's the result of "ls" from the grub prompt? it will list the drives/partitions it can see. it's not common to install on a gpt drive - not sure if that works
[20:31] <DerpyHoovy> I don't know how to tell from wubi.
[20:31] <DerpyHoovy> bcbc2: (memdisk) (loop0) (hd0) (hd0,msdos2) (hd0,msdos1)
[20:32] <nivyaj> hi- i'm new to ubuntu and need some help upgrading eclipse. I followed the directions- but there's no launcher. can someone help me
[20:32] <nivyaj> I followed these directions http://crlog.info/2011/06/30/upgrading-eclipse-on-ubuntu-from-3-5-to-3-7-indigo-works-for-other-versions-too/
[20:32] <nivyaj> but when I got to here, the file was empty. sudo gedit /usr/bin/eclipse
[20:32] <nivyaj> Replace old version name with the version you downloaded. E.g. If you downloaded Indigo and you have galileo installed
[20:32] <bogdan__> he?
[20:33] <bcbc2> DerpyHoovy: that looks ok. how about "ls (loop0)/boot"
[20:33] <DerpyHoovy> bcbc2: error: out of disk
[20:34] <mercury_> derpyhoovy:  huh, it kind of sounds like grub is looking for a partition that doesn't exists on the disk, ie, the drive geometry information is bad
[20:35] <LjL> which is not very surprising when using a >2TB drive on MBR, is it?
[20:35] <mercury_> derpyhoovy:  does it have the same problem if you were on a <2tb drive I wonder?
[20:35] <DerpyHoovy> Well, I would try it out but I don't have a spare drive.
[20:35] <mercury_> nivyaj: so first, did you already have eclipse installed before upgrading?
[20:35] <DerpyHoovy> I'm considering formatting GPT and using UEFI Duet to load Windows on it.
[20:35] <Lirth> I tried to install ubuntu on a separate computer. I want to keep windows on it also. When I ran the installer it gave me two options. I could either remove Windows (bad) or create partitions myself (dangerous). When I installed it on a different computer, I got a third option. It allowed me to use an automated partition creator. Any idea why it may have happened?
[20:36] <bcbc2> DerpyHoovy: that's where it loads the kernel from, so it explains thee problem. You should be able to partition a gpt disk very easily and do a normal dual boot - rather than Wubi.
[20:36] <DerpyHoovy> bcbc2: Yay. I had almost given up hope on ever having a working dual boot.
[20:37] <mercury_> nivyaj: from that page, you'll want eclipse installed already (it creates the links in ubuntu, like eclipse.desktop)
[20:37] <nivyaj> mercury_: i did, but i uninstalled it using the ubuntu remove application
[20:37] <nivyaj> mercury_: which in retrospect is what probably caused my problems....
[20:38] <mercury_> nivyaj:  ah, hmm, yeah, you'll want it still installed as per the page's directions, as it's using the links created from the installer to edit
[20:38] <mercury_> nivyaj: if you run "which eclipse" on the command line, you should get "/usr/bin/eclipse"
[20:38] <nivyaj> mercury_: so, i have indigio installed in my /usr/bin/eclipse
[20:39] <nivyaj> how can i add it to the launcher
[20:39] <mercury_> nivyaj: well, you could always create all the links yourself...
[20:40] <mercury_> nivyaj:  find a link, like firefox or something, in I think, /usr/share/applications ?
[20:40] <epod> How would I add Option "UseFastTLS" "off" to my xorg.conf given that I don't HAVE an xorg.conf?
[20:40] <mercury_> nivyaj: create a copy, rename it eclipse, edit it in gedit.  Change all the firefox versions, references, to the eclipse ones,
[20:41] <mercury_> epod:  create an xorg.conf - in the terminal:  xorg -configure, I think,
[20:41] <nivyaj> mercury_: i can do that.
[20:41] <nivyaj> mercury_: this file was empty gedit /usr/bin/eclipse
[20:41] <nivyaj> is that a problem?
[20:41] <draginx> How would I go about to make a small web script to use PAM as authentication?
[20:41] <mercury_> nivyaj:  yes, you;ll want to find the eclipse binary, and symlink to it from /usr/bin, so,
[20:42] <alexGla> hey, how to remove archive file from /etc directory sudo rm -r filename doesn`t work
[20:42] <mercury_> nivyaj: looks like maybe it was moved to your /usr/lib/eclipse folder?
[20:42] <propokr> I'm out.. for today. See on monday. Lets do it.
[20:42] <mercury_> epod: or if you're using nvidia: nvidia-xconfig
[20:43] <nivyaj> mercury_:  I'll check.
[20:43] <propokr> syslink must be runing on friday... see u..
[20:43] <mercury_> nivyaj:  if you find the eclipse executable, first check that running it works (ie, eclipse is working)
[20:44] <MJ94> What does it mean when someone says "I don't know my Kerberos password"?
[20:44] <mercury_> nivyaj:  then, symlink to it with "ln -s <location of exclipse executable> /usr/bin/eclipse
[20:44] <mercury_> MJ94:  it means they're using Kerberos authentication,
[20:44] <epod> mercury_: ty
[20:44] <MJ94> mercury_: for?
[20:45] <mercury_> MJ94:  logging into their desktop, usually,
[20:45] <MJ94> oh
[20:45] <mercury_> MJ94: typically, kerberos authenticaion is running on another server somewhere, and they're authenticating against it,
[20:45] <nivyaj> mercury_: what's symlinking?
[20:46] <MJ94> ah
[20:46] <mercury_> nivyaj:  it's a way to make one file look like it exists somewhere else, without copying the actual file
[20:46] <Kvaks> Is there a program for GNU/Linux that displays info about my hardware, like CPU-ID for Windows? (I want to know about my current RAM stick configuration without opening my case.)
[20:47] <zacarias> if something happens and you have to reinstall your system, is it best to have the whole system backed up (backing up all the "/ "directory contents) or backing up the home directory will do?
[20:47] <mercury_> nivyaj: when the OS looks for the file where you've symlinked it, it's basically being redirected to the actual location, more or less
[20:47] <nytek_> I'm trying to mount a MAC OS X external drive to ubuntu but im getting a wrong fs type or bad option error
[20:47] <nytek_> anybody have any ideas?
[20:48] <nytek_> I know the drive is good.
[20:48] <Kvaks> zacarias: back up /etc too, and grab a list of installed packages to batch-redownload after reinstall.
[20:48] <mercury_> zacarias:  most of your data lives in /home, lots of system configurations live in /etc, particular application data lives all over /
[20:48] <mercury_> nytek_: mac OS uses HFS+, gpt
[20:48] <nytek_> i installed hfsplus
[20:49] <nytek_> mercury_: but not gpt
[20:49] <zacarias> Kvaks: thanks
[20:49] <nytek_> mercury_: installing it now
[20:49] <zacarias> mercury_: thanks
[20:49] <nytek_> mercury_: no luck :'(
[20:49] <mercury_> nytek: ah, are you getting the error in mac os, or in ubuntu?
[20:49] <nytek_> ubuntu
[20:49] <mercury_> nytek: ah, ok, just a sec,
[20:50] <nytek_> mercury_: im using the command sudo mount -t hfsplus /dev/sdb2 /media/MacDrive/
[20:51] <mercury_> nytek: hmm, bad option sounds like mount doesn't understand for some reason,
[20:52] <mercury_> nytek: oh, what's output of sudo blkid?
[20:52] <nytek_> mercury_: one sec
[20:52] <nytek_> /dev/sda1: UUID="02dfc124-9316-4e22-a97e-2595cf9a4036" TYPE="ext4"
[20:52] <nytek_> /dev/sda5: UUID="91ef0d4f-fda9-4ba1-8aa3-e4eb84421846" TYPE="swap"
[20:53] <Wobbo> I have laptop "Asus 1215N (NVIDIA ION)" with "Ubuntu 11.04". By default, "nouveau" in "3D". Then I install Nvidia, unfortunately after I get only a black screen. It succeeds in "nouveau" to get back but only in "2D". How do I get "3D" werkent again?
[20:53] <nytek_> Wobbo: Boot up in terminal and do a sudo apt-get remove nividiaProgram you installed?
[20:54] <mercury_> nytek:  hmm, any errors in dmesg when trying to mount?
[20:54] <nytek_> mercury_: yes, one sec
[20:54] <mercury_> nytek:  blkid ought to be showing you the external drive, and it's 'type'
[20:54] <nytek_> [ 1157.194655] hfs: unable to find HFS+ superblock
[20:54] <nytek_> mercury_: [ 1157.194655] hfs: unable to find HFS+ superblock
[20:55] <shadowman0> ive been installing ubuntu on my windows xp for the past hour or so at 18 gb. is this normal?
[20:55] <shadowman0> its got an hour and a half left
[20:55] <nytek_> shadowman0: no
[20:55] <nytek_> mercury_: the partition is /dev/sdb2
[20:55] <nytek_> mercury_: ive tried mounting both
[20:56] <jbehling> what does it mean when it says "driver activated but not in use" in 11.04 hardware manager when it comes to the nvidia driver
[20:56] <jbehling> i want to use it, and i thought i was using it...
[20:56] <mercury_> jbehling: do you have onboard video?
[20:56] <jbehling> nope
[20:56] <Wobbo> nytek: I don't understand what you meen...
[20:56] <jbehling> pcie nvidia card
[20:57] <nytek_> Wobbo: there should be an option when you boot up to get to a terminal
[20:57] <nytek_> Wobbo: then run that command
[20:57] <mercury_> jbehling:  ok, you're only connected to the pcie, can you run the nvidia-settings program?
[20:58] <Night-hacks> i've installed string.h (C header files) how can i install implementations files ? (C files ).
[20:58] <_josh> hey, i kinda broke my ubuntu install by install some wifi driver from ubuntuforums... i can't boot into ubuntu anymore.  i'm booting off usb, anyone know how to chroot and make uninstall?
[20:58] <jbehling> yes
[20:58] <nancy---> hi, i have paid for a vps and i just got an invoice copy on my email. they are not giving me any details how to log iin. i payed by visa debit card. what should i do?
[20:58] <sln45> Is there a terminal command to show/hide the unity toolbar?
[20:58] <jbehling> mercury: yes, when i run nvidia-settings everything seems fine
[21:00] <jbehling> mercury_: also, I have no onboard video, just the pcie card
[21:00] <mercury_> jbehling:  hmm, if the driver's not actually in use, you'll fail trying to run something like 'glxgears'
[21:00] <Wobbo> nytek: I will lock around, thanks for now
[21:01] <jbehling> mercury_: installed and ran glx gears, it's very slow though
[21:01] <mercury_> nytek: I think maybe mount needs some more info or something:  I see something about a ufstype=44bsd option,
[21:02] <mercury_> nytek:  any subfolders in /dev/sdb2/... ?
[21:02] <nytek_> mercury_: how would i give it more imformation?
[21:02] <nytek_> mercury_: many
[21:02] <jbehling> mercury_: on the additional drivers screen i get the choice between "version current" and "version 173" there's a greenlight on version current if that means anything
[21:02] <_josh> i've tried using "chroot /mnt/sda5", then sudo make uninstall in the relevant directory, but it says it can't resolve host crunchbang (the host for my crunchbang install)
[21:02] <nytek_> mercury_: its my mac backup disk with all my data
[21:02] <_josh> and it can't open /lib/modules something or other
[21:02] <nytek_> mercury_: i dont have a mac anymore thoguh
[21:02] <nytek_> mercury_: :/
[21:03] <mercury_> _josh:, yes, you need to set up some other stuff before chroot,
[21:03] <_josh> mercury_, what do i need to set up?
[21:04] <mercury_> _josh:  hmm, I thik at least (sudo all these) mount -o bind /proc /(your-chroot)/proc
[21:04] <_josh> mercury_, before i chroot?
[21:05] <mercury_> _josh: yeah, also,
[21:05] <_josh> mercury_, lib/modules too, right?
[21:05] <rixter__> Hey all, Is there a way to setup a network bridge inside of unity (specifically the Network Connections dialogue box) instead of /etc/network/interfaces.
[21:05] <mercury_> _josh: mount -o bind /dev /(your-chroot)/dev , I think,
[21:06] <generated> if I'm trying to back up everything from a broken disk, is it enough to copy the home folder?
[21:06] <jbehling> mercury_: under xorg.conf my driver is "nvidia" so I'm guessing all is well?
[21:06] <Gentoo64> generated, that wont be everything
[21:06] <_josh> mercury_, what about /lib/modules?
[21:06] <Gentoo64> generated, home and etc and normally good
[21:06] <generated> Gentoo64: what will I be missing?
[21:06] <mercury_> jbehling:  that's really wierd.  maybe ubuntu's wrong - sounds like nvidia driver is activated, and being used?
[21:06] <Gentoo64> are*
[21:06] <generated> what's in etc?
[21:06] <Gentoo64> configs
[21:07] <Gentoo64> global ones
[21:07] <mercury_> _josh: you basically want to mount (whether -o bind or just mount) /proc, /tmpfs, /dev, that's probably all
[21:07] <generated> is there anything else I might be missing? I believe that I have my chrome history as part of home...
[21:07] <nancy---> how do i find a vps for  $10 /month        with root access. any ideas?
[21:07] <mercury_> _josh: then, finally, chroot /(your chroot), and check ifconfig
[21:07] <_josh> mercury_, it's saying things like "could not open dir, /lib/modules/2.6.39...."
[21:07] <bazhang> nancy---, thats not an ubuntu support issue
[21:07] <Gentoo64> generated, if youve never edited manually etc then you prob wont need to back it up
[21:08] <jbehling> mercury_: I think you're right, must be a bug in the gui
[21:08] <stavrosLinux> hello, I have a problem with automount, after upgrade from 11.04 to 11.10, it doesnt wrok
[21:08] <stavrosLinux> work
[21:09] <generated> etc contains settings, which might be slightly annoying to try to reconfigure, but no data, or anything substantial, correct?
[21:09] <mercury_> _josh: do you have a single / (root), or seperate partitions for anything?
[21:09] <_josh> mercury_, single root
[21:09] <rixter__> generated, etc has all the configuration files
[21:09] <Gentoo64> generated, its msotly configs, if youre gona reinstall then itll be regenerated
[21:09] <rixter__> generated, global configuration files
[21:09] <mercury_> generated: usually, correct.  most of the time.
[21:09] <generated> (given that I'm not obviously not familiar with etc, I probably haven't messed with it much myself, though I may have made minor changes)
[21:10] <mercury_> _josh: are you able to cd to /lib/modules.. ?
[21:10] <rixter__> generated, usually personal config files are in /home/username/.program
[21:10] <Gentoo64> generated, just backup /home and you can tweak the new /etc
[21:10] <mercury_> _josh: from the chroot?
[21:10] <_josh> mercury_, yes, but the dir it wants doesn't exist.  it wants /lib/modules/2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64
[21:10] <generated> alright. I've backed up home. When I reinstall, is it safe to simply dump the old home onto the new one?
[21:11] <_josh> mercury_, lib/modules after chroot contains: 2.6.38-11-generic  2.6.38-13-generic  2.6.38-8-generic
[21:11] <NQTropic> ?
[21:11] <Gentoo64> generated, yes, copy the files back as normal user though
[21:11] <generated> (also, I had to back it up onto an ntfs drive)
[21:11] <generated> will ntfs cause any problems?
[21:11] <ubuntu_> ok
[21:11] <Gentoo64> generated, ubuntu should read ntfs from the box
[21:12] <generated> in terms of destroyed metadata
[21:12] <Guest60298> im trying to install a program and getting this error, can someone help me? http://cl.ly/212r3I452m323I3m1F2E
[21:12] <rixter__> generated, yes it will lose permissions across copy's
[21:12] <Gentoo64> so it dont matter
[21:12] <ubuntu_> gadacie po polsku
[21:12] <ubuntu_> si
[21:12] <Gentoo64> generated, youll also lose symlinks but you might not have any
[21:12] <generated> ok. I'm not doing anything fancy with permissions - but the system itself does not rely on things in home having specific perms, correct?
[21:12] <ubuntu_> tu dire polacco
[21:12] <Gentoo64> generated, just copy the files back as normal user, and theyll be owned by your user
[21:12] <ubuntu_> yes
[21:12] <generated> Gentoo64: I have none in home
[21:12] <mercury_> nytek:  hmm, I've seen something like mount -t ufs -o ufstype=44bsd /dev/sdb2 /(your folder)
[21:13] <generated> great
[21:13] <ubuntu_> yes
[21:13] <ubuntu_> yes
[21:13] <nytek_> mercury_: ill tru
[21:13] <nytek_> mercury_: try*
[21:13] <mercury_> nytek:  but I don't know why, I'd assume hfsplus to be the one you want,
[21:14] <nytek_> mercury_: no luck :(
[21:14] <nytek_> mercury_: thanks anyways
[21:14] <generated> what is the best way to install ubuntu via usb? I'd like to install the prior release, not the newest one, since I can't figure out how to get rid of unity...
[21:15] <Gentoo64> generated, just copy the iso with something like unetbootin and itll make the usb for you
[21:15] <mercury_> nytek:  you may need to file a bug report, actually ... the 'can't find hfs superblock' error is the useful info
[21:16] <mercury_> nytek:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/util-linux/+bug/734883
[21:17] <bguth> I'm having trouble with an external drive that had the recycle virus. One of the directories is now empty but it's also showing 0 in the column that other folders show 32K when I use ls -lh on the parent directory. Is there a way to change that or is the directory lost?
[21:17] <callaghan> Today I got aware of a folder called ~/.thumbnails which I didn't know existed. Ubuntu, why, why don't you have a sensible setting what to store there, and, above all, HOW LONG! So this is a 10.04 machine that I set up with Alpha 2 back in the days and I've been using it ever since. 3 months ago I managed to get a girlfriend and she's using the machine nearly every day to clear up her...
[21:17] <callaghan> ...massive photo collection. Today she noticed that disc space was kinda low (only 40GB SSD) and decided to clean up. So she found .thumbnails, which was over 1GB in size, and in there she found thumbnails of every video, photo and whatever that was ever on or plugged into the system. EVER. Even nearly 2 year old thumbnails. As mentioned, the machine is old and I was single for a long time,...
[21:17] <callaghan> ...so I got a very enraged phone call because of what she found in there. So I called my friends who also use Ubuntu and they didn't know of this folder and checked and they were like "OMG thank you (rm *) (change setting so no thumbnails are generated)". I always hated thumbs.db in Windows but now I hate the gnome way even more. Isn't this the perfect way to spy on somebody (especially...
[21:17] <callaghan> ...guys)?!? Sorry it's so long but I'm in deeeep trouble now :(
[21:17] <FloodBot1> callaghan: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:18] <mercury_> _josh:  it sounds like apt thinks it needs files in a place they don't exist - you're trying to uninstall a package?
[21:19] <mercury_> _josh:  you may need to force removal in dpkg?
[21:19] <_josh> mercury_, yeah, it wasn't a package though, it's something i make installed
[21:19] <Myrtti> callaghan: Linux is perfect for multiuser environments where each user is given their own account...
[21:19] <_josh> mercury_, some wifi driver that's not letting me boot anymore
[21:19] <generated> how can I find the version of a ubuntu install that is on an external disk?
[21:19] <mercury_> _josh:  oh, well, you may be able to just delete the files that were installed.. if you know where they are,
[21:20] <mercury_> _josh: what was the program again?
[21:20] <_josh> mercury_, some wifi driver i found on ubuntuforums :/
[21:20] <_josh> mercury_, i have noc lue where they are
[21:20] <_josh> mercury_, am i SOL? :P
[21:20] <callaghan> Myrtti: you're right. I should have done that. And I will certainly do so in the future.
[21:20] <_josh> mercury_, or is there some "safe mode" i could boot into to uninstall?
[21:21] <kop> is bluetooth fundamentally broken in 10.04 ?
[21:21] <mercury_> _josh: not necessarily, there's 'safe mode', there' some recovery things you can try,
[21:21] <generated> how can I get a list of software / packages installed on a ubuntu system?
[21:21] <generated> (so that I may restore them later)
[21:21] <boylover> what's the best distro for encrypting child porn
[21:22] <mercury_> _josh: I think grub lets you press left shift when booting,
[21:22] <_josh> mercury_, what does that do?
[21:22] <boylover> what's the best distro for encrypting child porn
[21:22] <HyperJapan> boylover: ?!!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!!?!?
[21:22] <mercury_> _josh: supposed to let you into recovery mode,
[21:23] <_josh> ok, i'll try that out and let you know how it oges, thanks
[21:23] <mercury_> _josh: worst case, I think you can dpkg reconfigure all, but that's not always best,
[21:23] <mercury_> gotta go,
[21:24] <_josh> mercury_, what does dpkg reconfigure all do?
[21:24] <mercury_> _josh: dpkg-reconfigure -a ,
[21:25] <mercury_> _josh: forces you to reconfigure every package installed in the system.  takes a long, long time, usually.
[21:25] <mercury_> _josh: resets all your settings.  might break some things, possibly.
[21:25] <mercury_> _josh: there's usually better things to try first, it's not a go-to solution to anything,
[21:26] <_josh> mercury_, ok.  i'll try that "safe boot" thing first, any other suggestions for after that?
[21:26] <Guido1> Hello, I just have a short, urgend not Linux question
[21:26] <mercury_> _josh : first step is to try to figure out what's failing, and how to stop it.  check the startup scripts, things started by upstart,
[21:27] <_josh> mercury_, oogh, i can't just "undo" what i did?
[21:27] <Guido1> my computer goes somtimes off without any worning. what can be the reason? what can i do? bios?
[21:27] <mercury_> _josh: maybe - I'd also check the modules being loaded, if it's a driver, stuff is lsmod (modprobe)
[21:28] <mercury_> _josh: sorry, that was, lsmod wlll show you if maybe a driver's being loaded into the kernel, breaking things.
[21:28] <_josh> mercury_, that's probably it, given that i was trying to install a driver.  will lsmod show what the problematic driver is? and how do i remove it once i know?
[21:29] <Datalink> I'm having an interesting issue related to a program that's 32 bit on my 64 bit 11.10 install, is anyone here real good with sorting out library hell issues?
[21:29] <Gregor_The_Miner> Guidol, when does it shut off? Boot or during regular activity?
[21:29] <mercury_> _josh: hmm, if you can find out what driver it is (usually has a relevant name, driver make or model or 'wifi'), you'll want to either blacklist it, rmmod I think it only temporary,
[21:30] <_josh> mercury_, cool, rebooting and trying all of that
[21:30] <Datalink> (SLPlugin:13790): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib32/gstreamer-0.10/libgstcairo.so': libcairo-gobject.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[21:30] <mercury_> _josh: rmmod <dirvername> removes it from the currently used modules, but there should be an option to completely remove a driver,
[21:30] <_josh> mercury_, i'll look into it, thanks! :)
[21:31] <bguth> when you run ls -l what does the size represent on a folder and can it be changed?
[21:31] <mercury_> _josh: np.  just don't remove drivers that the system needs legitamitely.
[21:32] <_josh> mercury_, haha, i'll try not to
[21:33] <Datalink> bguth, it can't be changed, I believe it's how large the directory needs to be on the filesystem
[21:33] <Datalink> don't quote me on why it's that size, why would you want to change it though?
[21:33] <spal> Is it possible for Ubuntu to mess up laptop fan settings?
[21:33] <bguth> Datalink: there are two different sizes, 32768 and 65536 so I don't think is uneditable
[21:34] <Datalink> is one a mountpoint?
[21:34] <bguth> Datalink: it's just another folder. There's a folder that has a 0 listed and I wanted to see if editing that would recover the folder contents
[21:34] <pippo1> CiAO
[21:35] <pippo1> !list
[21:35] <pippo1> !hot
[21:35] <callaghan> bguth: see http://superuser.com/questions/142893/why-is-the-size-of-a-directory-always-4096-bytes-in-unix top answer
[21:37] <bullgard6> What information is to be put in Banshee 2.2.1's prgram window  > Radio > Add a new Internet Radio Station > (Add a Radio Station) > Edit field »Originator of the Radio«?
[21:38] <Datalink> bguth, depending on filesystem there may be an undelete for it, but the act of installing an undelete may cause destruction of the data through overwrite since the inodes are flagged as free, however if the file disapeared as a result of filesystem error, then an fsck may recover it in lost+found
[21:38] <Datalink> an active GUI system makes it fairly hard to actually recover a deleted file though
[21:38] <lain_is_god> hi
[21:38] <pippo1> !list
[21:39] <pippo1> !hot
[21:39] <bguth> It's fine if it's lost. I'm just curious because it's behaving strangely on other OSs
[21:39] <stavrosLinux> hello, I have a problem with automount, after upgrade from 11.04 to 11.10, it doesnt work
[21:39] <pippo1> !dvd
[21:40] <guntbert> !askthebot | pippo1
[21:40] <mang0> !ssh > mang0
[21:40] <Deathcrush> #2600
[21:40] <Nobul> hittt, How can I hide ip on freenode please? xchat.
[21:41] <bastidrazor> !cloak | Nobul
[21:41] <Datalink> (SLPlugin:13790): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib32/gstreamer-0.10/libgstcairo.so': libcairo-gobject.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[21:41] <thechad90000> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1912555  .... I'm having so much trouble getting Gnome 3.2 to work on Ubuntu. Someone please help me out. Everything you need to know about my issues with screenshots are at the link
[21:42] <Datalink> while I've done administration before, I don't knwo where I'm going to find this specific library for Ubuntu in apt, should I just go grab a 32 bit one and toss it in, hoping for the best here?
[21:42] <Datalink> know*
[21:42] <Budd> Why does my ssh keyring in Ubuntu have six undeleteable keys that I didn't create, mostly named "eric@0" ?
[21:43] <benbloom_> ok. I've been working on this problem for a long time and tried many solutions to no avail: I need help with RAM... I've got a 64b Acer M3100 running 64b Kubuntu 11.10. I use the builtin ethernet port and a GeForce 220 PCIe Video card. Apparently the MoBo is limited to <=4G but when I try to install >2G both the PCIe video card and my builtin ethernet jack stop working. I've tried using many different configurations to get >2G
[21:43] <benbloom_> including 2*2G 800mhz sticks (same mfg) and 4*1G 667mhz sticks. I've checked the individual sticks and sockets for errors with memtest86+. BIOS is identifying them properly, I've cleaned the RAM slots .nothing seems to work! can someone help?
[21:44] <Cue> I seem to be having a rather problematic issue with, well, anything that isn't RSA based login or direct console login in Ubuntu 11.10 Server
[21:45] <eightyeight> i have an .iso, and i would like to create a bootable usb with it, as well as boot other operating systems, such as fedora, opensuse, etc
[21:45] <Cue> That is, nothing can authenticate, SSHd, Webmin, etc, all fail. The password is correct.
[21:45] <Cue> Jan 21 21:38:30 luna sudo: pam_unix(sudo:auth): conversation failed
[21:45] <bastidrazor> Cue: there is #ubuntu-server that may be able to help.
[21:45] <Cue> bastidrazor: Ta :D
[21:45] <eightyeight> i have the usb successfully booting, and i can boot the kernel and initrd, but it fails looking for the cdrom
[21:45] <callaghan> Datalink: hmm. maybe sudo apt-get install libcairo-gobject2:i386 ?
[21:45] <eightyeight> how can i fix thx?
[21:45] <eightyeight> do i just put the .iso in the same directory as the kernel/initrd?
[21:45] <eightyeight> or do i unpack the .iso?
[21:46] <bguth> callaghan: Datalink wasnt able to recover it but the folder is fixed now. Thank you for your help
[21:46] <Datalink> bguth, alright, sorry I wasn't more help on that
[21:46] <Datalink> callaghan, trying that, moment
[21:47] <mongy> eightyeight, are you trying to boot an iso
[21:47] <eightyeight> mongy: i'm trying to install ubuntu from usb
[21:47] <mongy> eightyeight, the alternate installer iso or desktop
[21:47] <eightyeight> mongy: alternate
[21:48] <mongy> eightyeight, installed grub2 to the usb stick ?
[21:48] <UnknownFork> How do you change your desktop background on Ubuntu 11.10?
[21:49] <eightyeight> mongy: syslinux. the usb stick boots fine. the ubuntu installer just can't locate the cdrom media
[21:49] <jiffy> system settings
[21:49] <Datalink> I really wish they'd upgrade SecondLife to pure 64bit linux, the bug's been in their jira for years
[21:49] <mongy> eightyeight, wipe it, install grub2 to it and put the iso somewhere and make a grub.cfg
[21:49] <eightyeight> mongy: no, i'm not wiping it
[21:49] <mongy> eightyeight, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1288604
[21:50] <eightyeight> mongy: other operating systems install fine
[21:50] <eightyeight> mongy: ubuntu and debian are the only two that aren't. yet.
[21:50] <generated> how can I get the version of the current os, and the list of installed packages (the os is on an external disk)
[21:50]  * jiffy new to ubuntu
[21:50] <bullgard6> UnknownFork: You better state your GUI because the answer depends on that.
[21:51] <eightyeight> mongy: i've both spooled the media, and placed the .iso in the root of the ubuntu folder
[21:51] <eightyeight> mongy: neither work
[21:51] <UnknownFork> Whichever is the default one
[21:51] <mongy> eightyeight, oh, well.... I use grub2 to multi boot stuff.. cant help, sorry
[21:51] <Datalink> gener1c, uname -a for kernel info, apt-get and aptitude is something I'm not sure on
[21:52] <bullgard6> UnknownFork: I do not use Unity and thus do not know the answer.
[21:52] <Datalink> oh wait, that won't give you distro
[21:52] <pnorman> One of theoptions for dpkg should tell you the packages, but which option it is escapes me at the moment
[21:52] <TrD> welcome jiffy
[21:52] <jiffy> thank you
[21:53] <callaghan> UnknownFork: Click with the right mouse button on your desktop and choose "Change Desktop Background". At least that works for me ;)
[21:53] <digital_ownage> hey guys
[21:53] <digital_ownage> i have a question.
[21:53] <UnknownFork> kk
[21:54] <digital_ownage> I am trying to install xubuntu, but the installer is extremely slowly
[21:54] <Datalink> callaghan, well, it's not giving me the missing so error anymore, but it's giving me other grief, looks like more minor stuff
[21:54] <digital_ownage> it was the same with ubuntu
[21:54] <bullgard6> !ask | digital_ownage
[21:54] <callaghan> UnknownFork: Alternatively, open any picture file in the previewer, right click on it and select "Set as Desktop Background"
[21:54] <digital_ownage> oh yes xD sorry.
[21:54] <UnknownFork> ok
[21:54] <callaghan> Datalink: yeah, there seem to be some 32 bit libraries missing in your case
[21:55] <Datalink> callaghan, yeah, I'm restarting Second Life to see if I can get more errors, I still have to move the link into one of the bin directories to make this easier
[21:55] <bullgard6> digital_ownage You cannot speed up the installer.
[21:55] <digital_ownage> Well when i am installing an *ubuntu distro trough usb or cd, the installer is completely slowly and after a long time it stops when it is doing grub good.
[21:55] <digital_ownage> i tred it earlier, and it was fast
[21:55] <digital_ownage> tried *
[21:55] <digital_ownage> i have 8gb ram, usb3.0 2.93 ghz
[21:56] <jiffy> i need to learn the Terminal commands
[21:56] <digital_ownage> so it need to be really fast...
[21:56] <digital_ownage> needs*
[21:56] <lynx7os5> eightyeight: have you tried with a different iso? cd.iso or dvd.iso maybe? (not the alternate.iso)
[21:56] <jiffy> like sudo dpkg.. etc etc
[21:56] <digital_ownage> well has anyone an idea?
[21:56] <digital_ownage> ...?
[21:57] <bullgard6> digital_ownage It needs not --  Be happy if it does its job to the desired end.
[21:57] <digital_ownage> it doesnt
[21:57] <digital_ownage> thats it
[21:57] <cheese1756> jiffy, To install programs use sudo apt-get install (name)
[21:57] <cheese1756> Also, for any command just run man command
[21:57] <RidDrib> I'm boring i'll need something to do
[21:57] <cheese1756> Replace command with the command
[21:57] <digital_ownage> first it was really fast with the same distro
[21:57] <cheese1756> To see details on it
[21:57] <oscar76> generated: try uname -a  and  dpkg -l
[21:58] <bullgard6> digital_ownage So please report the error message which you obtained.
[21:58] <digital_ownage> yes
[21:58] <generated> oscar76: the OS is on an external disk
[21:58] <digital_ownage> very hard because i can't copy it
[21:58] <benbloom_> ok. I've been working on this problem for a long time and tried many solutions to no avail: I need help with RAM... I've got a 64b Acer M3100 running 64b Kubuntu 11.10. I use the builtin ethernet port and a GeForce 220 PCIe Video card. Apparently the MoBo is limited to <=4G but when I try to install >2G both the PCIe video card and my builtin ethernet jack stop working. I've tried using many different configurations to get >2G
[21:58] <benbloom_> including 2*2G 800mhz sticks (same mfg) and 4*1G 667mhz sticks. I've checked the individual sticks and sockets for errors with memtest86+. BIOS is identifying them properly, I've cleaned the RAM slots .nothing seems to work! can someone help?
[21:58] <digital_ownage> but fedora installs fine, but fedora is too hard for me :-(
[21:58] <callaghan> digital_ownage: Without an error message we're just guessing....
[21:59] <digital_ownage> NO errors, it just fails installing...
[21:59] <oscar76> generated: you mean it's not running actually?
[21:59] <generated> right
[21:59] <generated> it's plugged in on a usb
[21:59] <callaghan> digital_ownage: ok, what version are you trying to install?
[21:59] <digital_ownage> well it is, but it is so extremely slow that it is during about more than one hour
[21:59] <digital_ownage> 11.10
[21:59] <digital_ownage> i tried it earlier and it worked fine
[22:00] <meerkats> in unity, am I the only one that cannot keep the terminal icon in the launcher? I add it, but next time I log in, its gone
[22:00] <digital_ownage> ...
[22:00] <bullgard6> digital_ownage: In this case use an Ubuntu live CD and inspect the contents of the files on the hard disk.
[22:00] <Arney> I can't connect to any VPN server. i've been trying for 5 hours straight.
[22:00] <digital_ownage> ?
[22:00] <Arney> Hello... im going insane.
[22:01] <Slart> meerkats: it stays in the launcher for me.. do other application launchers stick?
[22:01] <digital_ownage> same
[22:01] <digital_ownage> well
[22:01] <meerkats> Slart, yes, the only problematic one is the terminal
[22:01] <digital_ownage> between the hops i made, i "raped" many linux systems
[22:01] <digital_ownage> like debian and fedora
[22:02] <digital_ownage> and after that, it won't install good...
[22:02] <bullgard6> What information is to be put in Banshee 2.2.1's program window  > Radio > Add a new Internet Radio Station > (Add a Radio Station) > Edit field »Originator of the Radio«?
[22:04] <digital_ownage> so can anyone help me?
[22:04] <callaghan> digital_ownage: the only thing I ever had problems with was improper alignment (http://askubuntu.com/questions/55214/how-do-i-correctly-align-partions-on-a-hdd-with-sector-size-of-4096-bytes) and when dealing with now filesystems like btrfs and especially when UEFI comes into play...
[22:05] <callaghan> *new filesystems, and the hdd has to be a new one with 4k sectors for the error to occur
[22:06] <callaghan> digital_ownage: But you seem to have a different problem... I would try to completely repartition the hard drive (maybe using the method for proper alignment above) and see if it works...
[22:08] <redgetan> im trying to mount my external hard drive into my mac but i dont know what the filesystem is. Is there a way to know it?
[22:09] <callaghan> digital_ownage: if everything fails, try using the alternate cd installer. It is a little more verbose and needs no graphical desktop (and what I noticed, it somehow works at times when the regular installer fails) so you can at least get a good error message from it.
[22:09] <kcorcoran> still new (and learning) Linux (ubuntu); at my work environment we use vmware esx server to host server virtual windows servers (and desktop) computers.  does the linux world offer an open source (free) hypervisor?
[22:09] <Diamondcite> redgetan: Which ubuntu version is this? Most of the time the file system is either Ext3 or Ext4
[22:09] <redgetan> ubuntu 10.04
[22:10] <Diamondcite> redgetan: In that case, it should be Ext4fs
[22:10] <callaghan> redgetan: you can see the file systems in the disk utility
[22:11] <redgetan> u mean diskutil right?
[22:12] <nivyaj> can someone help me with an ubuntu- eclipse problem?
[22:12] <callaghan> redgetan: yes
[22:12] <redgetan> when i ran diskutil info /dev/disk3, the filesystem value is none
[22:12] <Datalink> !ask | nivyaj
[22:13] <callaghan> redgetan: actually it's called palimpsest when you want to launch it from the command line ;)
[22:14] <NQTropic> !patience
[22:14] <redgetan> callaghan: im using a mac, and im trying to recover files from my ubuntu harddrive
[22:14] <redgetan> so palimpsest is not installed
[22:14] <Datalink> redgetan, OSX or Linux?
[22:14] <redgetan> i guess there's no mac version of it
[22:15] <redgetan> OSX
[22:15] <nivyaj> I'm trying to do android programming in eclipse, and am getting an adb error. i found this solution, but i'm having problems following it. can someone help me with the parts where i'm getting lost?
[22:15] <nivyaj> http://blog.jayway.com/2009/10/21/getting-android-sdk-working-on-ubuntu-64/
[22:15] <callaghan> redgetan: oh, now I get it... sorry... although I do not have a mac and do not know how to find out filesystems there
[22:15] <david_zagal> hola alguien me puede ayudar??
[22:15] <Datalink> redbeans, okay, OSX typically tends to be limited to Fat32 and HFS variants unless you've installed macfuse or ntfs3g and appropriate filesystem handlers, I'd suggest using a live CD for your recovery
[22:15] <redgetan> callaghan: no worries
[22:15] <redgetan> but youre right its probably ext4
[22:16] <BarkingFish> !es | david_zagal
[22:16] <redgetan> oh actually diamoncite said that
[22:16] <david_zagal> ok
[22:16] <Datalink> er, did I ping the... yeah redgetan that was aimed at you, I owe the other guy an apology
[22:16] <BarkingFish> gracias :)
[22:16] <callaghan> redgetan: hopefully :)
[22:17] <redgetan> DiamondCite: i did this 'mount -t ext4fs /dev/disk3 /Volumes/linux_hd/'
[22:17] <redgetan> but all i get is mount: exec /System/Library/Filesystems/ext4fs.fs/Contents/Resources/mount_ext4fs for /Volumes/linux_hd: No such file or directory
[22:18] <redgetan> Datalink: oh i see ur msg now
[22:18] <Datalink> redgetan, yeah, sorry, pinged the wrong person on it, big channel
[22:18] <redgetan> apprently, i cannot boot using the liveCD, it gets stuck in the middle
[22:19] <Datalink> redgetan, you have to go for one with EFI support for macs, due to the boot system they have
[22:19] <mister_m> how can I create a desktop file for an application that I launch from the command line (it is a .sh file)
[22:19] <mister_m> specifically for intelliK
[22:20] <mister_m> intelliJ, rather
[22:21] <redgetan> Datalink: or use macfuse as you suggested earlier
[22:22] <Datalink> redgetan, right, yeah, but you'll have to also get a ext4 fuse filesystem handler, as I said, I don't know where you'd find a decent one
[22:23] <Datalink> redgetan, mount should have an option to show what filesystems it can mount, that'll show what handlers you have
[22:23] <Zaoyvax> hello how come ubuntu detect as unknown an ati raedon xpress 200???
[22:23] <Arney> How can I fix VPN on ubuntu, I can't connect to any servers what so ever.
[22:23] <Zaoyvax> and i have an intel chipset, but the video card is ati
[22:23] <Zaoyvax> so
[22:24] <Zaoyvax> WHY THE SYSTEM HAS INSTALLED XORG INTEL!?
[22:24] <Datalink> !patience | zaoyvax
[22:26] <bullgard6> What information is to be put in Banshee 2.2.1's program window  > Radio > Add a new Internet Radio Station > (Add a Radio Station) > Edit field »Originator of the Radio«?
[22:28] <Zaoyvax> Hey°
[22:28] <Toroloko> hello, is there a nice 3d game to test that my graphic card works well?
[22:29] <Zaoyvax> Toroloko: try armagetron
[22:29] <v2> don't try armagetron
[22:30] <Toroloko> v2, another suggestion then? :p
[22:30] <Zaoyvax> hey why msn is impossible to login in empathy??? does this communty knows about live change????
[22:30] <Zaoyvax> why nobody answers ?? :( really
[22:31] <lynx7os5> Zaoyvax: i don't know....
[22:32] <rileyp> Zaoyvax: hey why msn is impossible to login in empathy??? does this communty knows about live change???? what chnage?
[22:32] <Zaoyvax> yeah, noobs,
[22:32] <Datalink> Zaoyvax, for your video issue, http://www.amd.com/us/Pages/AMDHomePage.aspx and grab the linux driver, Ubuntu does not ship with video drivers for AMD or NVidia due to license limitations
[22:32] <Zaoyvax> yeah, noobs, Windows Live messenger!!!!!}
[22:33] <Zaoyvax> also the drivers are NOT in additonal hardware!
[22:33] <rileyp> Zao we all know what that is but if you tell us something it would be good to tell us or link us
[22:33] <Datalink> Zaoyvax, the only reason I didn't get you the actual download link is I don't know if your distro is 32 bit or 64 bit
[22:33] <Asmoday> hola
[22:34] <Zaoyvax> and why the system is using intel Xorg???
[22:34] <nivyaj> I'm trying to do android programming in eclipse, and am getting an adb error. i found this solution, but i'm having problems following it. can someone help me with the parts where i'm getting lost?
[22:34] <Zaoyvax> Datalink: is 32
[22:34] <nivyaj> http://blog.jayway.com/2009/10/21/getting-android-sdk-working-on-ubuntu-64/
[22:34] <Zaoyvax> nivyaj: go #android-dev
[22:34] <Datalink> Zaoyvax, because that's the xorg default as all video cards tend to work under Intel driver specifications, while the AMD and NVidia drivers expand upon them
[22:34] <OerHeks> ati 200 is not supported with the additional drivers Zaoyvax > http://askubuntu.com/questions/22111/driver-for-a-ati-radeon-xpress-200m-graphics-card
[22:35] <nivyaj> Zaoyvax: but it's an ubuntu issue...
[22:35] <Zaoyvax> dudes, the msn trouble, what's the correct live server???
[22:35] <Zaoyvax> afff
[22:35] <Zaoyvax> nivyaj: sure?
[22:35] <Datalink> Zaoyvax, asking repeatedly won't fix the fact we don't know either
[22:35] <nivyaj> Zaoyvax: i think so...
[22:35] <Zaoyvax> nivyaj: really, go #android-dev, they can help you :)}
[22:36] <nivyaj> Zaoyvax: ok, thanks
[22:36] <rileyp>  nivyaj: I'm trying to do android programming in eclipse,  This is not a ubuntu issue
[22:36] <Zaoyvax> yeah
[22:36] <Zaoyvax> nivyaj: told you
[22:36] <Zaoyvax> go there
[22:37] <nivyaj> going, going, gone!
[22:38] <Zaoyvax> please, TELL ME WHY THE F****K EMPATHY IS HAVING TROUBLES WITH MSN LOGIN!!!!!!
[22:38] <OerHeks> !language | Zaoyvax
[22:38] <rileyp>  Zaoyvax: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional. HA HA
[22:39] <Zaoyvax> SO PLEASE!
[22:39] <rileyp> Zaoyvax:  I stopped using msn years ago
[22:39] <OerHeks> Zaoyvax, we don't know, why microsoft changes their protocol
[22:40] <Zaoyvax> afff, im trying to use msn in empathy, why nobody noticed ms changes!?
[22:40] <mkquist> Zaoyvax: maybe   http://askubuntu.com/questions/76948/problems-connecting-msn-with-empathy
[22:40] <Zaoyvax> OerHeks: why ms changes msn protocol? IT DOES NOT MATTER!}
[22:40] <acerimmer> Zaoyvax: ask ms?
[22:41]  * tjiggi_fo detects a troll
[22:41] <Zaoyvax> lol no, also, empathy is the only chat app which is not able to connect to msn
[22:42] <Zaoyvax> and is the old url :(}
[22:44] <A|i3N> Can someone walk me through something/tell me the right utility? I want to resize my windows partition to give it some more room, from within ununtu but obviously I don't want to screw my ubuntu partition up.
[22:45] <Zaoyvax> ok, who can find out the live server for chat please!?
[22:45] <acerimmer> A|i3N: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowtoResizeWindowsPartitions
[22:45] <Zaoyvax> because the old server is specified in empathy}
[22:45] <Zaoyvax> and is not related to contact list i think
[22:46] <Zaoyvax> please help me
[22:46] <acerimmer> A|i3N: ignore that link.  sorry, fat finger syndrome.  try this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowtoPartition/ResizingPartition
[22:47] <A|i3N> lol yea I was about to say, that one didn't really help :)
[22:48] <Zaoyvax> ok, so is ṕerfectly safe to get the linux drivers stright from ati???
[22:49] <Datalink> Zaoyvax, yes
[22:49] <A|i3N> argh.... I'm obviously going to have to do this off of a CD or something aren't I since I can't unmount an active partition.
[22:49] <Datalink> Zaoyvax, provided you have the right one for your hardware, they are perfectlys afe
[22:49] <Zaoyvax> ok
[22:49] <acerimmer> A|i3N: live CD exactly
[22:50] <Zaoyvax> A|i3N: try livecd, is a great tool
[22:50] <Datalink> A|i3N, your best bet is to look at the gparted live distribution, it's designed specifically for resizing disks
[22:50] <Zaoyvax> A|i3N: warning, if anything is corrupt and get messages about that in kernel/console, then u cannot use disk tools, only fsck
[22:51] <A|i3N> Oooh cool ok I'll check that one out.
[22:52] <A|i3N> I'm going to go into the live cd, shrink the ubuntu partition then finish up in windows. :)
[22:52] <czx> how to mount swapfile automatically?
[22:52] <acerimmer> A|i3N: good luck
[22:52] <A|i3N> Thanks :)
[22:53] <Zaoyvax> ya
[22:53] <A|i3N> *grabs the gparted live distro* lol I think I'll go with that.
[22:54] <Zaoyvax> why telepathy-butterfly is included??? and why telepathy-haze is not used!?
[22:54] <Zaoyvax> helloooooo
[22:56] <cipher__> Can I change the gtk theme easily?
[22:56] <Nano> Anyone ever had this happen on a configure script? http://paste.ubuntu.com/812429/
[22:57] <Nano> ^ sorry chose the wrong markdown for syntax highlighting.
[22:58] <Arney> Im looking at my logs to see why VPN doesn't work, here is what I found "Could not find the pppd binary"
[22:58] <cipher__> on 11.10
[22:58] <Arney> Thing is, PPPD is no where to be found on the package manager.
[22:59] <Arney> I didn't get that error on my live installation.
[22:59] <BarkingFish> Arney: try sudo apt-get install ppp from a terminal or search it in your package manager
[22:59] <BarkingFish> ppp is the ppp Daemon package
[23:01] <Arney> BarkingFish: According to my package manager, I have it INSTALLED!
[23:01] <Arney> This is confusing.
[23:01] <Arney> I can't uninstall it since about 10 other things depend on it.
[23:02] <BarkingFish> Arney: ok then, open a terminal up and try sudo apt-get install --reinstall ppp
[23:02] <BarkingFish> that shouldn't take anything off, simply reinstall the package
[23:02] <Arney> ooooh. nice command.
[23:02] <czx> how to mount swapfile automatically?
[23:02] <cipher__> I cannot even find the package manager :S
[23:02] <Zaoyvax> czx: fstab?
[23:02] <dlentz> czx, in /etc/fstab.
[23:03] <newty-ewt> System > Administration > Synaptic Package Manager
[23:03] <Zaoyvax> and swap partition, it does auto-mount
[23:03] <ubuntu__> does anyone know where i can find a screensaver that simply displays the time elapsed since the screen saver started working?
[23:03] <BarkingFish> cipher__: I have no idea what ubuntu uses as package manager, I'd assume it's something synaptic or aptitude or GDebi or something like that
[23:03] <cipher__> well it's aptitude I am pretty sure
[23:03] <BarkingFish> I hide in here from Kubuntu, so what we use, you probably don't have
[23:03] <Zaoyvax> guys, the 11.10 package manager: NONE
[23:03] <cipher__> but I cannot find the gui
[23:04] <dlentz> software-center is the default (muon for kubuntu)
[23:04] <Zaoyvax> aptitude has no gui, and is for servers mainly
[23:04] <cipher__> rhNKA
[23:04] <cipher__> thanks
[23:04] <dlentz> synaptic works well as always
[23:04] <Zaoyvax> yes
[23:04] <Zaoyvax> just install it
[23:04] <cipher__> well software-center is the interface for apititude/
[23:04] <cipher__> ?
[23:04] <BarkingFish> dlentz: Yeah, we have problems with muon in Kubuntu at the moment, I'm directing people to apper at the present time
[23:04] <dlentz> technically, aptitude had an ncurses gui
[23:04] <BarkingFish> the installer keeps segfaulting
[23:04] <Zaoyvax> yeah lol, but that's a separate app
[23:05] <cipher__> How can i change the gtk theme?
[23:05] <Zaoyvax> aptitude /=/ soft center
[23:05] <tbruff13> I need to talk to someone from Canonical about a Landscape transaction involving 15000 computers
[23:05] <dlentz> BarkingFish, yeah I've seen complaints at ubuntuforums
[23:05] <Datalink> does anyone know if gstreamer's plugins are in a different location between 32 bit or 64 bit versions?
[23:05] <Zaoyvax> cipher__: hmm, idk, try in appareance??
[23:05] <cipher__> Zaoyvax: there is Nothing in appearance
[23:05] <cipher__> nothign
[23:05] <Zaoyvax> :O
[23:05] <Zaoyvax> yes
[23:05] <Zaoyvax> themes
[23:06] <cipher__> let me provide a screenshot
[23:06] <Zaoyvax> yeah, now theme tweaking sucks
[23:06] <Zaoyvax> gnome 2 was much easier to change theming
[23:06] <willwh> hi guys - I need some assistance configuring snmp v3 - if you have done so - please pm me :)
[23:06] <Guest59942> does anyone know where i can find a screensaver that simply displays the time elapsed since the screensaver started working?
[23:07] <dlentz> i hope mint's "cinnamon" makes stuff easier to configure
[23:07] <dlentz> so much so that ubuntu adopts it in the repo
[23:07] <cipher__> http://i40.tinypic.com/ht9ugh.png
[23:08] <cipher__> Zaoyvax
[23:13] <leobus> ciao
[23:19] <tbruff13> I need to talk to someone from Canonical about a Landscape transaction involving 15000 computers
[23:19] <selina2> wow
[23:21] <Machtin> soo just a quick question: any known reason why I have 230Mbytes of updates since yesterday? o.o
[23:21] <studioxps> Machtin, I just noticed that too
[23:21] <UnknownFork> I removed Firefox from the launcher, how do I get it back?
[23:22] <czx> and what shouldI write in fstab for getting swapfile on?
[23:22] <Machtin> studioxps: mhh okay
[23:22] <JohnnyDrama> type firefox and re-pin it?
[23:22] <acerimmer> tbruff13: canonical staff don't necessarily monitor this channel.  Try this: http://www.canonical.com/about-canonical/contact
[23:23] <tbruff13> acerimmer: i have tried
[23:23] <acerimmer> tbruff13: Skype for linux and call 'em?
[23:24] <tbruff13> acerimmer: skype will let me call britian
[23:24] <Datalink> czx, <insert your drive ID here> none            swap    sw              0       0
[23:24] <Datalink> naturally you want either a UUID like: UUID=8c6a636f-8392-49cf-a0d1-8286c1fa7faf or the mountpoint like /dev/sda5
[23:25] <acerimmer> tbruff13: sure - not free, however.  You need to buy buy and load some Skype minutes to your account.
[23:25] <czx> how the file can have mountpoint?
[23:25] <tbruff13> i will figure it out
[23:27] <Datalink> czx, I think you'd be able to specify a file instead of a partition, though I'd initialize the file with swapon before adding it to the fstab
[23:27] <mad_dev> hey, is anyone suffering from audio problems since the last update
[23:28] <studioxps> mad_dev, I did I had to turn the volume up :)  js...
[23:29] <mad_dev> studioxps: I mean as in no audio output at all
[23:29] <share> how to kill a connection? => ip_address:port     FIN_WAIT2
[23:36] <Toroloko> [  421.141460] EXT3-fs (sdd1): warning: maximal mount count reached, running e2fsck is recommended
[23:36] <Toroloko> what does it mean?
[23:36] <OKTOKT> I'm not sure what happened, but I seem to have lost all connectivity through the wired ethernet port. Network-Manager displays is as "disconnected" while there is a working cord plugged in. I get no lights ont he PC nor the router. Wireless is working fine. Also ifconfig reports eth0 (wired) as it always has.
[23:37] <Toroloko> oh ok nevermind my question
[23:37] <Toroloko> OKTOKT, you can't connect it with network manager?
[23:38] <OKTOKT> Toroloko: There is nothing listed for networks upon the left-click, right-click > manage connections, lets me add options but no connection is made.
[23:39] <mega2> how do i repair the boot
[23:39] <acerimmer> mega2: need more info than that ...
[23:40] <yumbo> Is there a way to see total transferred data (up/down) via terminal ?
[23:40] <mega2> server 10.04 i cloned hd and put new hd into computer and it wint boot
[23:40] <Toroloko> OKTOKT no light is bad sign... i guess you tried with another cable?
[23:41] <yumbo> mega2, ofcourse not, you have to re-install grub2 via a livecd
[23:41] <acerimmer> mega2: not an expert but I'm pretty sure that boot is failing because grub can't find the previous HD
[23:41] <Toroloko> OKTOKT, also, dmesg | grep eth0 says something about the link being up or down?
[23:42] <mega2> if i reinstall will that del everything
[23:42] <acerimmer> mega2: wrong.  you're ONLY installing the boot loader - no formatting/partitioning.  See this  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling_GRUB2
[23:43] <OKTOKT> Toroloko: I yanked the working cable from my WIN machine, so that is working. as for the dmesg output, ln3: ... ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready
[23:43] <share> why am I hearing a clicking sound after I stop playing audio? pulseaudio here
[23:44] <acerimmer> share: system sounds turned on??
[23:44] <indystorm> Hey guys-- I've been trying to research this and come up with nothing!!! What is the video card that is best supported on ubuntu? The only thing I can find is to avoid ATI... any suggestions as to a good video card to use!? thanks!
[23:45] <share> acerimmer: I didnt hear it before
[23:45] <share> this is annoying
[23:45] <acerimmer> share: try the reboot and test.  Sorry I can't suggest more.
[23:45] <share> after 6 seconds
[23:46] <Guest3468> indystorm: nvidia of course!
[23:46] <acerimmer> indystorm: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCards
[23:46] <cipher__> Hi, how can I install a new gtk theme?
[23:46] <share> I hear the sound when I hit play and also 6 seconds after I hit stop-
[23:46] <acerimmer> cipher__: sudo apt-get install
[23:46] <cipher__> acerimmer: what?
[23:46] <cipher__> for a downloaded gtk theme?
[23:46] <czx> how to know the free virtual memory available?
[23:47] <ActionPa1snip> indystorm: nvidia :)
[23:47] <ActionPa1snip> czx: free -m
[23:47] <acerimmer> cipher__: ah.  in that case, click on the deb and it should launch the archive manager and install...
[23:47] <Lirth> When installing Ubuntu 11.10 onto a new computer, I have some problems. For some reason I am unable to install it along side Windows for dual boot. Any idea why?
[23:47] <ActionPa1snip> cipher__: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/10/4-beautiful-gnome-32-compatible-gtk.html
[23:47] <astartoth> cipher__: is it a .deb file?
[23:47] <czx> and  which one is an answer?
[23:47] <ActionPa1snip> Lirth: which version of Windows?
[23:48] <share> sdfsdlçjklsdfksdf
[23:48] <cipher__> since when was a theme a deb file ?
[23:48] <Lirth> ActionPa1snip: 7
[23:48] <astartoth> cipher__: it can be. All installed themes under ubuntu are .debs.
[23:48]  * cipher__ is confused
[23:48] <cipher__> oh
[23:48] <ActionPa1snip> Lirth: resize the NTFS in Windows 7 then install to the new free space. Be sure your backups are up to date in case of catastrophe
[23:48] <urashima82> hy guys !
[23:48] <astartoth> if it isn't, you must untar it and move it to /usr/share/themes
[23:48] <ActionPa1snip> cipher__: they can be debs
[23:48] <cipher__> ok
[23:48] <OKTOKT> Toroloko: Got any ideas? Is there a way I can reload the default driver/configurations for the device and see if it's just the recent changes? I have no propbem reconfiguring everything again.
[23:49] <cipher__> thanks
[23:49] <astartoth> or create a dir under ~/.themes and unzip it there.
[23:49] <Lirth> ActionPa1snip: So it doesn't allow it because the partition for Windows 7 is too large?
[23:49] <astartoth> under your home dir: mkdir /home/cipher/.themes
[23:49] <astartoth> then tar xpvfz theme.tar.gz -C ~/.themes
[23:50] <ActionPa1snip> Lirth: you probably have no unallocated space to install to
[23:50] <ActionPa1snip> cipher__: found this too: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/MalagaEasy+Gnome%C2%B73+Theme?content=134618
[23:51] <Lirth> ActionPa1snip: Thanks. On this computer that I'm using it allowed me to use the automated re sizer for partitions. Do you know why it wouldn't have worked on the other one? I used the same installation disk.
[23:51] <gadak1> any one with experience with submitting patches for linux kernel i need some help
[23:51] <share> Why do I hear a clicking sound
[23:52] <ActionPa1snip> Lirth: not sure, I don't use windows, and if I was to dual boot I'd plan my partitions so I dodn't have to resize.
[23:52] <ActionPa1snip> share: possibly power management on the sound chip..
[23:52] <share> it's disabled
[23:52] <Lirth> ActionPa1snip: sounds good.
[23:53] <evernoob> is 11.10 available for Intel 64 bit?
[23:53] <yumbo> evernoob, yes
[23:53] <evernoob> can't for life of me find it, only amd64
[23:53] <yumbo> evernoob, amd64 = intel64
[23:53] <share> ERROR: Module snd_hda_intel is in use
[23:54] <share> by who?
[23:54] <Lirth> evernoob: I had some trouble. Ubuntu wouldn't boot for me when I tried to install it. I had to remove and install 32 bit.
[23:54] <yumbo> it's just an unlucky chosen name because of amd being the first ones to use 64bit for consumers
[23:54] <evernoob> Lirth - I didn't even get that far - I thought amd was an architecture, non intel
[23:54] <ActionPa1snip> share: can you pastebin the output of:   sudo lshw -C sound; lsb_release -a; uname -a     Thanks
[23:54] <evernoob> thanks yumbo
[23:54] <matroska> heeeeey
[23:54] <matroska> im here now
[23:55] <matroska> so lets get started
[23:55] <matroska> :)
[23:55] <ActionPa1snip> evernoob: amd just got to desktop 64bitness sooner, the name just stuck
[23:55] <matroska> talkin about amd
[23:55] <matroska> is it better or intel
[23:55] <yumbo> evernoob, this is the download link: http://releases.ubuntu.com/11.10/ubuntu-11.10-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[23:55] <matroska> i need votes
[23:55] <ActionPa1snip> !poll
[23:55] <evernoob> do I need the alternate for encrypted root install as in previous versions?
[23:56] <Lirth> evernoob: I was using the Ubuntu website and downloaded the 64 bit straight from it. I didn't see the file until it wouldn't boot and I used windows to examine the file. I talked with some friends and they recommended to use 32 bit instead because of the problems.
[23:56] <ActionPa1snip> evernoob: its part of the desktop install#
[23:56] <yumbo> matroska, this is not the place for that, go to ##hardware
[23:56] <matroska> aight
[23:56] <yumbo> evernoob, I think you do
[23:56] <arthurdent> is there any way to set up WPA enterprise without using know what certificate to use?
[23:56] <OKTOKT> can I refresh the driver for my network adapter from terminal? device is eth0 and driver is reported as "sky2" v1.25 I can't seem to get it to link up.
[23:57] <Lirth> evernoob: I hope you don't have to deal with the same problems I did, I gave up after a few days of problems.
[23:57] <yumbo> evernoob, the appropiate alternate download link: http://releases.ubuntu.com/11.10/ubuntu-11.10-alternate-amd64.iso.torrent
[23:57] <evernoob> Lirth - you're saying the 64 bit version is problematic of itself?
[23:57] <yumbo> Lirth, I've almost never seen people have problems with the 64bit version of Ubuntu as far as basic installation goes
[23:57] <share> parm:           power_save_controller:Reset controller in power save mode. (bool)
[23:58] <snowrichard> i'm on 64 bit ubuntu 11.10
[23:58] <Lirth> evernoob: I had problems when upgrading from 32 to 64 bit. I don't know if it is just me, I saw no complaints of what I ran into online.
[23:58] <ActionPa1snip> share: can you pastebin the output of my command please
[23:58] <snowrichard> only had 1 glitch with the X display, i uninstalled the propriatary nvidia driver and no more problems
[23:58] <yumbo> Lirth, it's never a wise idea to update ubuntu 32 bit to 64bit
[23:58] <ActionPa1snip> Lirth: you canonly change arch with a clean install. You can't upgrade from 32bit to 64bit
[23:58] <share> ActionPa1snip: it has nothing to do with that
[23:59] <yumbo> that's why it didn't work ^
[23:59] <Lirth> yumbo: Ahh...
[23:59] <ActionPa1snip> share: if you hear a clicking sound then the chip will be switching off and on. If you can give the output of the command, I can advise
[23:59] <share> http://pastebin.com/cCB1bxWd


[12:02] <herve> now I forwarded all my dpatches to debian
[12:05] <crimsun> dia uploaded. I'm getting a strange checksum mismatch for ttf-larabie, so I'm redownloading the tar.gz
[12:06] <herve> hrm
[12:06] <herve> ha yes
[12:06] <herve> it's a native package
[12:07] <herve> *fear*
[12:07] <herve> I'll probably have to upload the whole set
[12:07] <herve> I just added the source.changes when you asked
[12:08] <crimsun> ok, make sure the md5sum for the tar.gz matches what's listed for it in the .dsc
[12:08] <herve> same sha1
[12:10] <crimsun> c7f8189344a46d5c510112bba5eaacc105a8199c  ttf-larabie_20011216-3ubuntu1.tar.gz  <-- ?
[12:10] <crimsun> for certain the md5sums didn't match
[12:11] <herve> I get another value :-)
[12:11] <crimsun> welp, that would explain that
[12:11] <crimsun> I'm using wget
[12:11] <herve> dia rejected
[12:11] <crimsun> what was the reason?
[12:12] <herve> "pload is signed by 0x1FE80436CA130121E49B77DB7BD1B015C88ABDA3 but is not in the Maintainer keyring."
[12:12] <crimsun> what the
[12:14] <crimsun> I just uploaded to universe a couple days ago
[12:17] <herve> I reuploaded the whole ttf-larabie
[12:17] <herve> but I guess it's not really important now :-()
[12:17] <crimsun> and I did upload to the correct site (not Debian!)
[12:21] <herve> I guess we need elmo's help
[12:23] <crimsun> yep, or perhaps another MOTU with privs can try.
[12:24] <crimsun> sorry, need to run. Will check back later.
[12:24] <herve> np, thank you again
[12:50] <herve> night all
[02:38] <tseng> so who is running essid UBUNTU
[02:38] <tseng> i cant dhcp it
[02:38] <tseng> or better yet, who wants to come to room 205 and give me a cable
[02:41] <tseng> ogra: !!!
[02:43] <ogra> tseng, ....
[02:43] <ogra> tseng, alrady here ?
[02:44] <tseng> yep
[02:44] <tseng> come on up!
[02:44] <ogra> yay... we are packing our bags in the hostel and wait for a taxi to pick us up
[02:44] <tseng> sweet
[02:44] <tseng> so you will be here soon
[02:44] <tseng> someone else is here already
[02:44] <tseng> i heard someone pass my room talkinga bout canonical one
[02:45] <tseng> and we have an UBUNTU essid
[02:45] <ogra> dholbach is already walking to the hotel, he might be there soon
[02:45] <tseng> awesome
[02:45] <tseng> how far are you?
[02:46] <tseng> i could go down to meet him
[02:47] <ogra> tseng, a bit tired, (dholbach tends to stand up at 6 so we were waking up very early the week)
[02:47] <tseng> yes
[02:47] <ogra> but else i'm fine...have some blisters on my feet from discovering sydney *g*
[02:47] <tseng> good :P
[02:47] <tseng> i met some locals in the park next door
[02:47] <tseng> a little drunk, they gave me m&ms and we had a good time
[02:48] <ogra> heh
[02:48] <mjr> I was wondering is there possibly going to be an amd64 mono for hoary, or will it have to wait?
[02:49] <ogra> mjr, it will be in breezy
[02:49] <mjr> righto
[02:49] <ogra> tseng, ok, heading over to you now....
[02:50] <tseng> ok
[02:50] <ogra> ciao
[02:55] <koke> tseng: you around?
[07:41] <tseng> hi
[07:41] <dholbach> hey!
[07:41] <dholbach> tseng: how are you... nice to see you... finally
[07:41] <tseng> yep
[07:41] <tseng> lets talk on irc when we are 2 feet away
[07:42] <tseng> geek sex
[07:42] <dholbach> tseng: i had geek sex for one week now
[07:42] <dholbach> with !6! guys around me
[07:42] <dholbach> koke: sleeping already?
[07:43] <koke> dholbach: maybe :)
[07:48] <dholbach> :-)
[07:49] <tseng> har
[07:54] <koke> hey guys, I need caffeine quickly... do you know where I can get some free drinks?? :D
[07:56] <dholbach> hrm... free drinks
[07:56] <dholbach> dunno
[07:58] <koke> hey, at the singapore airport there was "free ...."   I hope you're having fun!
[08:19] <tseng> no such thing
[08:19] <tseng> you imagined it
[08:19] <dholbach> tritium: thank you... how are you?
[08:20] <tritium> I'm getting a bit stressed, but managing, thanks.  How are you?
[08:20] <dholbach> tritium: have blisters, but i'm fine, thanks :-)
[08:20] <tritium> blisters?  what have you been up to?
[08:21] <tseng> too much dildo
[08:21] <tseng> (thats a common theme here)
[08:22] <dholbach> tritium: walking from one beach to the other barefoot :-)
[08:22] <dholbach> and walking in general
[08:22] <tseng> does anyone know how to check out from svn on alioth
[08:22] <tritium> I see...
[08:23] <tseng> nm
[08:24] <tseng> here comes the crack
[08:24] <tseng> oh
[08:24] <tseng> i shoudlnt do that here
[08:24] <tseng> sigh
[08:25] <tritium> Well, I just stopped in to say "hi".  You guys take care, and have fun.
[08:25] <tseng> thanks
[08:26] <tritium> See you later!
[08:26] <tseng> cya.
[08:26] <tritium> bye tseng, dholbach
[08:30] <tseng> where is ajmitch
[08:31] <tseng> in the eye
[08:31] <schweeb> you went to UdU?  thought you weren't goin?
[08:32] <tseng> im here, bish
[08:32] <schweeb> you suck, bish
[08:32] <tseng> ok
[08:32] <tseng> whiprush was here
[08:32] <schweeb> I just got back from penguicon, UdU would have been much teh better
[08:32] <schweeb> yes, that's how I knew you were there
[08:32] <tseng> he is spying for you?
[08:32] <schweeb> of course
[08:32] <schweeb> he's my bish
[08:33] <tseng> what did he say about me?
[08:33] <schweeb> something about your mother
[08:33] <tseng> jeez
[08:33] <schweeb> and how you look all of 14 :p
[08:33] <tseng> 15, thanks
[08:34] <Treenaks> a true Gentoo geek :P
[08:34] <Treenaks> *whistle*
[08:34] <schweeb> that's nothing to be proud of
[08:34] <schweeb> her
[08:34] <schweeb> bah, s/her//
[08:34] <tseng> didnt you see the pic mike made
[08:35] <schweeb> which one? supertseng?
[08:35] <tseng> yes
[08:35] <schweeb> yea
[08:35] <schweeb> lol
[08:35] <tseng> !14
[08:35] <Treenaks> url?
[08:35] <dholbach> tseng: his flight seems to have get delayed or somethign
[08:36] <tseng> thegrebs.com/~michael/orion/super.tseng.png
[08:36] <tseng> is me as a cartoon
[08:36] <Treenaks> there's no "S" on your chest
[08:36] <dholbach> tseng: nice
[08:37] <schweeb> how are the boomerangs and kangaroos, guys?
[08:37] <tseng> they are suprisingly lax on the crack smoking here
[08:37] <tseng> it doesnt really feel like being in another country that much
[08:38] <tseng> and holy crap IE7 will have working png
[08:40] <Treenaks> tseng: WTF?
[08:40] <Treenaks> It's adapting!
[08:41] <tseng> yeah
[08:41] <tseng> welcome to 2001
[08:41] <Treenaks> now we know Microsoft really ARE the borg.. they adapt..
[08:42] <tseng> i need a nap
[08:44] <tseng> yeah.. ill be down for dinner
[10:56] <GheRivero> res
[11:09] <ajmitch_> evening
[11:10] <ogra> yay, ajmitch_
[11:11] <dholbach> hey ajmitch_
[11:11] <ajmitch_> it finally works..
[11:23] <tseng> dholbach: i have my own kids table
[11:26] <dholbach> tseng: oh... you're back
[11:26] <dholbach> tseng: still tired?
[11:26] <tseng> dholbach: yes
[11:26] <dholbach> i can imagine
[11:26] <dholbach> but food will make it better
[11:33] <dholbach> tseng: hungry?
[11:33] <tseng> dholbach: meh
[11:34] <dholbach> hrm
[11:39] <\sh> morning *yawn*
[12:08] <LISP> hello; this is the xfce channel isn't it?
[12:10] <\sh> no
[12:11] <LISP> found out..unfortunately
[01:38] <\sh> hoi dholbach
[01:38] <dholbach> hey \sh
[01:41] <\sh> how is it down under?
[01:42] <dholbach> atm a bit hectic... planning the BOFs and everything
[01:47] <\sh> dholbach: how long is the meeting? 1 week?
[01:51] <dholbach> \sh: yes
[01:56] <hsprang> hi!
[02:22] <thierry_> hi, could you have a look at http://freemind.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
[02:22] <thierry_> this application looks great and the .deb is already done... would be great to have it on the universe
[02:28] <ogra> thierry_, please add it to the UniverseCandidates page in the ubuntu wiki
[02:30] <thierry_> k
[03:32] <herve> *yawn* hi!
[03:34] <\sh> hey herve
[03:34] <\sh> hehe...I wrote a torrent client with pyqt and python-bittorrent api in less then 10 hours ;)
[03:38] <ogra> \sh, you can do that faster ;)
[03:39] <\sh> ogra: hehe...without having an api documentation for bt-api?
[03:39] <\sh> but to half done apps in less then 48 hours is good
[03:39] <\sh> i love python
[03:39] <ogra> me too :)
[03:40] <\sh> let me do some clean up of the gui and I will show you the result
[03:40] <herve> even the python-gnome api? :-)
[03:40] <ogra> herve, yep, yust not the stuff they left out ;)
[03:41] <\sh> herve: I'm the one who disliked the whole gtk stuff from the very first beginning
[03:42] <herve> I don't know about the api
[03:42] <\sh> I wondered in the past and even today, how the guys from gimp can live with this nasty crap :(
[03:42] <herve> but gtk looks much better than qt in a gui
[03:42] <\sh> herve: for me it's important that you can use it
[03:42] <\sh> and I don't like c++ style C code
[03:52] <motaboy> Hi all!
[03:53] <herve> hi
[03:56] <ogra> night all
[04:08] <trygvebw> Hi, in which package is dh_make?
[04:10] <herve> dh-make
[04:10] <herve> :-)
[04:11] <trygvebw> ok :)
[04:11] <trygvebw> thanks :)
[04:23] <zyga> arr
[04:23] <zyga> hello folks
[04:23] <zyga> I'm asking again about freeciv 2.0
[04:24] <zyga> ubuntu does sync with experimental or do I have to wait till freeciv goes to unstable/testing?
[04:24] <herve> freeciv 2.0 is in unstable
[04:25] <zyga> herve: so now it's just a matter of auto-syncing with it?
[04:25] <herve> if the package compiles on ubuntu, yes
[04:26] <zyga> herve: is there any page with up-to-date generated stats that I could track?
[04:27] <herve> about what?
[04:27] <zyga> herve: about wether it compiles or not
[04:27] <herve> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/
[04:29] <zyga> hmm freeciv is nowhere on the list
[04:29] <zyga> isn't that list a little too short for universe?
[04:30] <zyga> (aren't you a little too short for a stormtrooper) ;-)
[04:30] <herve> size doesn't matter :-)
[04:30] <herve> but sure it seems freeciv never made it
[04:30] <zyga> gecko guys would disagree ;]
[04:31] <zyga> herve: never made it to transition or ... ?
[04:31] <zyga> (transition from debian)
[04:31] <herve> I can't even find any trace in hoart
[04:31] <herve> hoary
[04:31] <zyga> it's in hoary allright
[04:31] <zyga> but it's outdated 1.4.x
[04:31] <herve> sure
[04:31] <herve> but dated from the time warty "forked" from unstable I gues
[04:31] <herve> s
[04:32] <herve> never updated afterwards
[04:32] <zyga> herve: what can I do to help?
[04:32] <zyga> should I tell someone about that / file a bug report?
[04:32] <zyga> (or just compile from source and forget about package for a moment)
[04:33] <herve> if you compile can recompile the debian package for breeezy
[04:33] <herve> we could sync it by hand
[04:33] <zyga> herve: I'm not a silled packager
[04:33] <herve> just apt-get source freeciv
[04:34] <herve> apt-get build-dep freeciv
[04:34] <herve> cd freeciv-2.0.0
[04:34] <zyga> herve: wont that fetch current 1.4.x version?
[04:34] <herve> dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc
[04:34] <herve> hu right
[04:34] <herve> get the one from debian by hand
[04:34] <zyga> right
[04:35] <zyga> packages.debian.org has older version... trying to find a better place
[04:36] <herve> hmmm
[04:36] <herve> ha yes
[04:36] <zyga> ok it's in experimental
[04:36] <herve> of course freeciv never synced then!
[04:36] <zyga> dind't it move to unstable?
[04:36] <herve> seems not
[04:38] <zyga> so I have three files .tar.gz .dsc and .diff.gz
[04:39] <zyga> I guess I should apply the diffs first
[04:39] <zul> zyga: dpkg-source -x *.dsc
[04:39] <herve> ha yes, sorry
[04:39] <zyga> zul: thanks! :)
[04:39] <herve> you switched to the manual method :-)
[04:40] <zyga> herve: I'm used to it ;-)
[04:42] <zyga> getting deps now
[04:44] <zyga> what does fakeroot do BTW?
[04:44] <zyga> (building now)
[04:45] <herve> argh
[04:45] <herve> yes you need fakeroot :S
[04:46] <zyga> I've already got it
[04:46] <zyga> it seems to be a script of some kind ;]
[04:48] <zyga> does dpkg-buildpackage keep compilation log?
[04:48] <stazz> Are the packages in the main repository updated only when new version of ubuntu is released?
[04:48] <herve> I think no
[04:49] <herve> you need another command in another package
[04:49] <herve> that would do "fakeroot dpkg-buildpckage" in a row :-)
[04:49] <herve> stazz, which version of ubuntu?
[04:49] <stazz> herve: hoary
[04:50] <herve> stazz, hoary only receives security and grave fixes, now
[04:50] <zyga> hmm lots of warrnings but nothing critical IMHO
[04:50] <herve> you the answer to your question is yes :-)
[04:50] <herve> zyga, if you knew all warnings gcc 4.0 reveals... :-)
[04:51] <stazz> herve: oh, damn.. so I should really use breezy to live on the edge? :)
[04:51] <zyga> herve: nah pointer singn differs stuff that's in 3.4 AFAIR
[04:51] <zul> xrisk is fun
[04:51] <herve> stazz, warning, the edge is sharp!
[04:52] <zyga> :>
[04:52] <zyga> so they build allright ;]
[04:52] <zyga> cool
[04:52] <herve> zyga, already built? wow :-)
[04:53] <zyga> installing now
[04:53] <herve> zyga, we have better tools if you build packages often
[04:54] <stazz> herve: what are the tools called?
[04:54] <herve> pacakge devscripts
[04:54] <zyga> herve: I build stuff alot but not packages, I need to learn packaging first
[04:54] <stazz> herve: where could one get them from?
[04:54] <herve> stazz, apt-get install devscripts :-)
[04:55] <stazz> heh.. ok
[04:58] <zyga> hmm is there any way to cross compile stuff this way?
[04:58] <zyga> (by any I mean = easy, not any)
[04:58] <zyga> so that I could produce i386, amd64 and ppc packages from, say amd64
[04:59] <herve> I don't know about cross-compiling
[04:59] <mjr> I don't believe there's a prearranged easy way
[05:00] <zyga> hmm menu entries were not updated ...
[05:00] <zyga> ah
[05:01] <zyga> works fine :>
[05:01] <zyga> thanks again
[05:01] <zyga> if anyone want's my .debs I can put them on a website for easy access
[05:02] <zyga> (if I knew how simple this was I would never have waited for universe to sync)
[05:03] <zyga> freeciv roxx :>
[07:27] <burner> so... i was going to post some stuff to the wiki about Azureus... but I'm curious if it's already in the plans to grab the latest .deb from debian unstable/sarge (they're the same version)
[07:51] <\sh> burner: azureus is not in the ubuntu repos
[07:52] <\sh> burner: just because of java
[07:52] <\sh> please search for java and azureus on the wiki
[08:02] <bur[n] er> \sh: i already installed it via debian unstable
[08:02] <bur[n] er> but...
[08:03] <bur[n] er> couldn't at least azureus be in ubuntu without the java dependency?
[08:03] <bur[n] er> just put it in as a broken package?
[08:03] <bur[n] er> so people could add their own source for java itself
[08:10] <\sh> bur[n] er: no...too much chaos then..lets wait for java packages
[08:10] <\sh> bur[n] er: or use btdownloadcurses or my tool (qt-python app + bittorrent python api)
[08:13] <bur[n] er> bleh to other tools ;)
[08:13] <bur[n] er> java is going to be included in multiverse/universe at some point right?  so azureus packages could be on the way after that?
[08:16] <\sh> bur[n] er: I think so
[08:30] <bur[n] er> thanks \sh
[10:09] <herve> night all!
[10:46] <GheRivero> res
[10:58] <trulux> heya fellows
[11:17] <tseng> guten morgen trulux
[11:19] <trulux> hi tseng


[07:25] <PlanckWa1k> Hi!  Is Xubuntu able to boot from an NVMe drive?
[07:31] <PlanckWa1k> Oh hmm, I might be able to answetr this myself.  Looks like no, due to NVME support being compiled as a module instead of into the kernel.
[07:31] <PlanckWa1k> Guess I'll be compiling a custom kernel :-(
[09:16] <xu-help0w> Hey folks, first time here so sorry for any etiquette issues! I'm loving Xubuntu 22.04 but my window tile right key isn't working. I've looked through the settings and it seems to be set up correctly - tile left works fine. Not sure what to do next, any suggestions?
[09:37] <xu-help0w> Asked on askubuntu, sorry to bother you all :D
[09:52] <PlanckWa1k> Looks like xubuntu can be made to boot from NVMe after using initramfs-tools to load the nvme module from initd.img, and updating grub config to load the initrd. Not exactly user-friendly :-S
[11:09] <QfaceDubz> ls
[11:09] <QfaceDubz> wait
[16:34] <xu-irc43w> Hi everyone
[16:35] <xu-irc43w> Anyone can help with a problem I have with grub not detecting my Windows installation in a separate SSD?
[16:36] <xu-irc43w> If I change the BIOS to boot from that SSD it also doesn't work
[16:58] <xu-irc43w> What happened with boot-repair? I cannot find the link to download it. Can it be used with Xubuntu 22, kernel 5.15.0-33-generic ??
[17:05] <xu-irc43w> Something I haven't tried is to use the Windows boot repair tool as I am concerned it may damage my linux boot. Any suggestions about that please?
[18:24] <xubuntu37i> how many people
[18:25] <xubuntu37i> and so silent