[03:09] <tvaughn> i have a problem when i try to login to my computer running 9.10, the graphical login screen is there, you try to login and it tries to load then crashes back to the graphical login screen
[03:09] <arquebus> !es
[03:10] <sliverstorm> mats_sg85, I suggest posing your question instead of asking if people can help.  How can anybody know if they can help when they don't know what is wrong?
[03:10] <DasEi> !ask | mats_sg85
[03:10] <rahduke> wow VDPAU is sick
[03:10] <rahduke> thanks everyone
[03:11] <shy> *blushes* now i feel very silly... i found exactly what i needed at wikopedia..i am embarrassed.. thank you to all. it hit me after i was asking a few questions
[03:11] <mats_sg85> okay thanks .. i'm need to find the drivers for a pavillion dv6-1253 .. hp doesn't support linux drivers
[03:11] <mgolisch> mats_sg85: whats that? a notebook?
[03:12] <mats_sg85> yes
[03:12] <mgolisch> mats_sg85: whats not working?
[03:12] <mezquitale> anyone here uses tor?  how do you use tor in ubuntu?
[03:12] <mats_sg85> my wireless
[03:12] <mats_sg85> card
[03:12] <matthew_> Some times when I open a folder (usually home, music or videos) the folder doesn't open. When I click it again, it instantly opens two instances. (and I wait a significant length of time before clicking again). Is this just a glitch or is something I can fix?
[03:12] <mgolisch> mats_sg85: youd start by findout out what it is, by using the lspci command, it should list what type of wlan card it is
[03:13] <i_is_broke> mats_sg85, lspci | grep wlan
[03:13] <mats_sg85> all right
[03:13] <tvaughn> where can i find the x error log
[03:13] <ectospasm> tvaughn: /var/log/
[03:14] <mats_sg85> & then can look for the drivers in the web ...
[03:14] <TangoTooL> Hello/
[03:14] <DasEi> tvaughn:  /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:14] <epaphus> Hey guys, how can I customize the gnome menus such as "Applications" Places, System.
[03:14] <mezquitale> matthew_, sounds like a faulty hard drive, or a process that is taking up your machine's CPU, do you have a fast CPU?  You can see what's taking up resources by running "top" in a terminal, you might also want to see the log in "/var/log/messages"
[03:14] <matthew_> right click the menu button...edit menus, epaphus
[03:14] <mats_sg85> thanks for the help
[03:15] <tvaughn> i cant see anything that might be causing my issue
[03:16] <mesutcimeken> hi kostkon . still same ... nothing works !
[03:16] <mesutcimeken> : (
[03:16] <kostkon> mesutcimeken, does asoundconf-gtk load when you try to run it?
[03:16] <JunTao> hey I got a textbook question here I can't figure out :P "Under what condition will a file created by 'root' be automatically owned by the user called 'nfsnobody'?" .....I can't find the answer, can someone helP?
[03:17] <Hoppi> hi all, does anyone know if i can open my windows 7 installation (on my slave hard disk) from within a VM... easily?
[03:17] <mesutcimeken> yes i did it
[03:17] <i_is_broke> tvaughn, what grub are you running..if grub2 hit the right shift key and go into recovery mode when booting and see if i there are updates you need or broken packages, did that to me the other day.
[03:17] <Hoppi> I once saw a very long winded solution
[03:17] <ring0> could you recommend reading the book 'linux in a nutshell'? is it worth reading?
[03:17] <epaphus> matthew_, cool thanks
[03:17] <mesutcimeken> downloaded
[03:17] <tongaz> ubuntu-es
[03:17] <ectospasm> ring0: Linux in a Nutshell is a reference book, not for reading cover to cover
[03:17] <tongaz>  /join #ubuntu-es
[03:17] <ectospasm> and it gets outdated rather quickly
[03:18] <mezquitale> anyone here uses tor?  how do you use tor in ubuntu?
[03:18] <FoolishOwl> I'm curious if anyone's got insight into "user private groups," which seem to be halfway implemented on Ubuntu.
[03:18] <kostkon> mesutcimeken, try to run it in a terminal:  asoundconf-gtk
[03:18] <cyberjorge> hi, anyone help installing Ubuntu Server 9.10 as Xenserver VM? How to make sure it's Paravirtualized?
[03:18] <matthew_> mezquitale, my cpu doesn't fly, but it does alright (dual core 2ghz), what am I looking for in var/log/messages
[03:18] <DasEi> mezquitale: y
[03:18] <matthew_> epaphus, certainly :)
[03:19] <fbdystang> I guess I'll add mine to the help list. Anyone know about PPTP vpn connections in network manager?
[03:19] <ring0> ectospasm, ok, but i guess if one gets bored, one could flip through the pages and find some interesting commands or such?
[03:19] <tongaz>  /join #ubuntu-es
[03:19] <ectospasm> ring0: that's what it's for
[03:19] <ubuntu-userr> i got problem with Grub install from live CD... i dot sudo grub ,find /boot/grub/stage1  ,  root (hd1,4) , setup (hd1,4) ,quit  but i get this...  http://paste.ubuntu.com/342332/     help me pls...
[03:19] <ring0> ectospasm, thanks, then it's just what i've been looking for
[03:19] <abuqutaita> what piece of hardware could prevent a fresh install from loading grub?
[03:19] <necromaster> i finally could solve the xubuntu 9.10 freeze problem
[03:20] <i_is_broke> abuqutaita, video
[03:20] <abuqutaita> i_is_broke: nah, system posts
[03:20] <mezquitale> matthew_, youre looking for errors that might make your machine act the way it does, like errors reading the hard drive
[03:20] <abuqutaita> i just finished installing it
[03:20] <necromaster> aqui se habla español
[03:20] <DasEi> mezquitale: tor isn't in the repos anymore, have to manually add the sources, not sure if they done for karmic meanwhile, whereas the jaunty ones work
[03:20] <break_> QUESTION: what is startup notification?
[03:20] <FoolishOwl> By default, a new user has a default group, with the same name as the user. That's half of "user personal groups." The other half is having a default umask of 002 instead of 022. Ubuntu does the first half, but not the second. Why?
[03:20] <i_is_broke> abuqutaita, can still be video what card are you running
[03:20] <abuqutaita> something old
[03:21] <mesutcimeken> http://paste.ubuntu.com/342333/
[03:21] <abuqutaita> like, geforce 5200 agp
[03:21] <necromaster> hola? hi is there somebody how speak spanish
[03:21] <i_is_broke> abuqutaita, ah ok..
[03:21] <mezquitale> DasEi, I already have it installed with polipo but firefox still has a "Tor Disabled" status, how do I "start" or "enable" tor?
[03:21] <ubuntu-userr>  got problem with Grub install from live CD... i dot sudo grub ,find /boot/grub/stage1  ,  root (hd1,4) , setup (hd1,4) ,quit  but i get this...  http://paste.ubuntu.com/342332/     help me plsssss
[03:21] <mesutcimeken> kostkon this is what it is .
[03:21] <maco> necromaster: por favor va a #ubuntu-es para español
[03:21] <necromaster> español
[03:21] <tongaz> como hago para irme a una sala de chat argentina?
[03:21] <abuqutaita> i_is_broke: and the live-cd loads with no problems
[03:21] <ectospasm> FoolishOwl: having a umask of 002 would mean that anyone in the primary group can write files in the directory
[03:21] <necromaster> okay
[03:21] <necromaster> anyway i speak enlish
[03:22] <necromaster> but my native is spanish
[03:22] <mezquitale> tongaz, usa "join /#canalquequieras"
[03:22] <webbb82> could someone please take a look at this its how to automaticly download 150 national geo wallpapers  http://www.webupd8.org/2009/11/automatically-download-all-wallpapers.html
[03:22] <webbb82> i cant get it to work its a simple script
[03:22] <losha> !es | necromaster
[03:22] <ectospasm> FoolishOwl: umaks of 002 would mean most files and directories would use permissionso of 775
[03:22] <matthew_> mezquitale, the only error I found was "segfault at 458bbf7b ip 00a43803 sp bf9f0200 error 4 in libgobject-2.0.so.0.2200.2[a1e000+3c000]"...related?
[03:22] <DasEi> mezquitale: (in ff) preferences > settings > network > socksproxy > localhost > 9050 per default or addon foxyproxy
[03:22] <mesutcimeken> is anyone speaks turkish here ?
[03:22] <kostkon> mesutcimeken, hmm. could now try this. give:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base && sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-utils
[03:22] <ubuntu-userr>  got problem with Grub install from live CD... i dot sudo grub ,find /boot/grub/stage1  ,  root (hd1,4) , setup (hd1,4) ,quit  but i get this...  http://paste.ubuntu.com/342332/     help me plsssss
[03:23] <webbb82> i download the script put it in the folder i want it to download to but when i do ./natgeo2009.sh nothing  happens
[03:23] <mesutcimeken> ok kostkon
[03:23] <losha> !tr | mesutcimeken
[03:23] <orenji_no_koibit> please suggest me a command-line ftp client that supports recursive upload
[03:23] <ectospasm> orenji_no_koibit: ncftp and variants might fit the bill
[03:24] <JunTao> hey I got a textbook question here I can't figure out :P "Under what condition will a file created by 'root' be automatically owned by the user called 'nfsnobody'?" .....I can't find the answer, can someone helP?
[03:24] <chilicuil> hi, does anyone have this card 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX - nForce GPU] working with 3d effects?
[03:24] <necromaster> got it
[03:25] <ectospasm> JunTao: if nfs is running as root, it may automatically chown certain files to nfsnobody, but that's just a guess.
[03:25] <losha> JunTao: depending on the nfs mount options, requests coming from remote systems as root are treated as though they came from user nfsnobody....
[03:25] <LizardK|ng> webbb82, what is your natgeo2009.sh script supposed to do?
[03:25] <FoolishOwl> ectospasm, I understand that. The point of having a default group with only one user as member is that there's no problem with having full group rights on newly created files. That makes it easier to have full group rights on shared folders.
[03:25] <webbb82> LizardK|ng,  http://www.webupd8.org/2009/11/automatically-download-all-wallpapers.html
[03:25] <mezquitale> DasEi, now firefox has no connection, how do I test to make sure that tor is up and running and configured correctly?
[03:25] <webbb82> check it out
[03:26] <LizardK|ng> oh, wall paper; i want their shows
[03:26] <losha> JunTao: the idea is that you don't want root users on clients to have unrestriced access to your filesystem
[03:26] <orenji_no_koibit> yafc can't connect to server outside the local network
[03:26] <orenji_no_koibit> please suggest me a command-line ftp client that supports recursive upload
[03:26] <DasEi> mezquitale: enter tor in trml
[03:27] <ectospasm> orenji_no_koibit: I already suggested ncftp
[03:27] <FoolishOwl> What puzzles me is why Ubuntu has, fred:fred and suzie:suzie, instead of fred:users and suzie:users, but doesn't go all the way with the concept and have a default umask of 002.
[03:27] <Freeaqingme> I'm trying to install ubuntu 9.10 on a somewhat older laptop of mine (from cd). But all I'm getting is a wallpaper & mousepointer (I'm not getting any dialog whatsoever). Any clues what option I should enable/disable to make it a success?
[03:27] <ubuntu-userr> got problem with Grub install from live CD... i dot sudo grub ,find /boot/grub/stage1  ,  root (hd1,4) , setup (hd1,4) ,quit  but i get this...  http://paste.ubuntu.com/342332/     help me plsssss
[03:27] <orenji_no_koibit> it gets the same problem as yafc
[03:27] <maco> FoolishOwl: lack of 002 is a debian thing. debian does 755 for ~
[03:27] <losha> orenji_no_koibit: top hit in google for 'recursive ftp client'
[03:27] <ectospasm> FoolishOwl: you don't want users you add to the fred or suzie group to have write access to everything
[03:27] <orenji_no_koibit> I'll try
[03:27] <LizardK|ng> a umask of 002 makes no sense to me
[03:27] <ectospasm> ...at least not automatically, anyway
[03:27] <mezquitale> DasEi, ps aux|grep tor ---> 115 /usr/bin/tor,  tor created user 115 ?? is this supposed to be right?
[03:28] <mesutcimeken> kostkon sorry nothing happened
[03:28] <juancho> hola, alguien me podria ayudar a instalar el xampp
[03:28] <losha> mezquitale: that's process number 115. It's quite normal....
[03:28] <mgolisch> ubuntu-userr: and it doenst work afterwards?
[03:29] <kostkon> mesutcimeken, did you check "aplay -l" after the reboot. could you run it again?
[03:29] <losha> !es | juancho
[03:29] <mesutcimeken> ok i will
[03:29] <epaphus> How can I lock my gnome settings..?
[03:29] <epaphus> so that only root can change them?
[03:29] <ubuntu-userr> no
[03:29] <ubuntu-userr> mgolisch: it wosent work :(
[03:30] <FoolishOwl> ectospasm, what I'm talking about is Ubuntu halfway implements user personal groups, and I'm wondering why it either doesn't do it or does it all the way. This is what I'm talking about: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-5-manual/Deployment_Guide-en-US/s1-users-groups-private-groups.html
[03:30] <DasEi> mezquitale: y, you can see just by tor if its running (already in use and port)
[03:30] <mgolisch> ubuntu-userr: how do you boot that grub? you installed it onto the some partition, it will only work if you boot that grub using some other bootloader that supports chainloading
[03:30] <ectospasm> FoolishOwl: don't dare think for a minute that redhat has all the answers.
[03:30] <FoolishOwl> There are a couple of other links to it. I ran into an explanation of the concept in "Essential System Administration."
[03:31] <FoolishOwl> ectospasm, I don't think you're understanding the question.
[03:31] <ectospasm> FoolishOwl: you're probably right.  I don't care enough to look into it further.
[03:31] <maco> FoolishOwl: i think this is a question to ask on the ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list. rahter doubt folks here can answer "why was this decision made?" questions very often
[03:31] <ubuntu-userr> mgolish: im trying from live cd... i have do same thing before some months but i dont remember how i did...
[03:32] <FoolishOwl> maco, perhaps you're right. I was just wondering if there was some obvious complication I was missing.
[03:32] <JunTao> losha yea I thiink ur right thanks
[03:32] <widget> hey guys, i installed ubuntu 8.04 on my old laptop, but the touchpad and wireless network doesnt work... any ideas on what to do ??
[03:32] <mgolisch> ubuntu-userr: was this intended? if you want it to boot grub if you select that disk in bios the last command should have been setup hd(1)
[03:32] <sliverstorm> just gonna throw out there one more time before I call it a night... is there a way to disable a swap device without having the special device (/dev/sdX), or even the hard drive present?
[03:32] <epaphus> How can I lock my gnome settings..so that only root can change it?
[03:32] <mgolisch> ubuntu-userr: what exactly are you planing to do?
[03:32] <mine> when i watch for a ling time  ,the screen will turn black  .how to fix  it
[03:33] <ubuntu-userr> mgolisch: i want to re-install grub so i can use dual boot...
[03:33] <LizardK|ng> wait, a umask of 002 DOES make sense, i was thinking about it wrong
[03:33] <mezquitale> DasEi, $tor --> Adress already in use.  Is Tor already running?  Tor is running but how do I use it with firefox?  i cant use the net with FF if I enable a proxy, am I doing it wrong?
[03:33] <ubuntu-userr> mgolisch: grub ask me with witch OS i want to log in with Linux or windows...
[03:33] <DasEi> mezquitale: prbly wrong setting in ff
[03:34] <mgolisch> ubuntu-userr: how do you boot grub? or is grub your main bootloader? as i said before if it wont boot if you install grub into a partition unless you boot grub from some other bootloader
[03:34] <iKernel> Somebody has majorly fscked up the winbase.h header file in the latest version of wine from ubuntu repos =)
[03:34] <maco> iKernel: file bug?
[03:34] <ubuntu-userr> mgolisch: ok help me do that..............
[03:34] <mgolisch> ubuntu-userr: if you want grub to be started if you boot from that disk make the last command setup (hd1) not setup (hd1,4)
[03:35] <iKernel> maco, If this version of wine from git works, I definitely will =D
[03:35] <ubuntu-userr> thanks
[03:35] <mezquitale> DasEi, using firefox now changes google to a netherdal page "tor is enabled" on firefox, is it possible it is done?
[03:36] <ubuntu-userr> mgolisch: http://paste.ubuntu.com/342341/     now its ok? :)
[03:37] <Dougdoug4> I have a Netgear adatper WN121T that I wnat to use on 9.10
[03:37] <Dougdoug4> i have the .inf file for it to get it to work
[03:37] <Dougdoug4> but where and how to i ndiswrap it
[03:37] <Dougdoug4> and all that stuff
[03:37] <crypt-0-> i have my root partition pointing to the wrong one, even though fstab is pointing to the right one.
[03:37] <luis_pimp> buenas noches
[03:37] <mgolisch> ubuntu-userr: yeah that looks about right
[03:38] <crypt-0-> it asks for "cryptoroot" when fstab clearly tells it to ask for "cryptroot"
[03:39] <mgolisch> crypt-0-: did you change something recently?
[03:39] <crypt-0-> no i just installed  it
[03:39] <webbb82> ok you know how if you dont have a middle mouse button you can hit the first and last mouse button to simulate a middle click?  well my mouse has 4 buttons  how can i make my number 2 button the simulate middle click
[03:40] <Axanon> I have 2 nic cards in my computer and want to use 1 for LAN traffic the other for WAN traffic.. can anybody point me in the direction of a good tutorial for configuring Mint/Ubuntu to do this?
[03:40] <crypt-0-> im trying to get it to boot....it failed during the alternate install, and i needed to finish the install with the desktop CD.
[03:40] <genii> Dougdoug4: Perhaps follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper#Installing%20Windows%20driver%20using%20command%20line
[03:40] <Bondy> whois Bondy
[03:40] <alazyworkaholic> I just installed another linux OS to experiment with onto some free space leftover after my ubuntu install. I told it not to install a bootloader. I'm back in ubuntu. How can I tell grub to look for the new OS?
[03:40] <supernatendo> hello
[03:41] <mgolisch> crypt-0-: checked you bootloader? usualy the bootloader tells the kernel what to load for rootfs, it might be something in your initramfs too
[03:41] <tommyon> I have no choice but to use Jaunty on an old laptop. The problem is, the video card is an ATI Radeon Xpress 200M. How can I install/use the fglrx driver for it? I tried from the official repositories, but it ruins the display. Thanks for any help.
[03:41] <supernatendo> Anyone with help on ubuntu 9.04?
[03:41] <mgolisch> crypt-0-: maybe try regeneratiung the initramfs from a livecd
[03:41] <computer_> why does my sound sound like crap? i did a fresh install and the sound now seems distorted? anyone can help?
[03:41] <crypt-0-> mgolisch, it simply asks for the wrong root device, when in intrid i can see the right root device, it just asks for the wrong one
[03:42] <supernatendo> I have a sever setup and i added ubuntu-desktop for the windoze techs I work with so they would stop thinking linux was inferior because they can't use a terminal lol
[03:42] <computer_> why does my sound sound like crap? i did a fresh install (ubuntu 9.10) and the sound now seems distorted? anyone can help?
[03:42] <arghh2d2> alazyworkaholic: copy the new linux os entries from the /boot/grub/menu.lst file on your new partition to the /boot/grub/menu.lst file on your old partition might work
[03:42] <doltek> What app do I use to connect to other computers from mine via my home network?
[03:42] <crypt-0-> mgolisch, yes i did rebuild intrid after making the changes. Where does GRUB2 ask where root is?
[03:42] <iKernel> so I downloaded wine from git repository a few days back, with git clone git://source.winehq.org/git/wine.git ~/wine-git . now I want to update my saved version of git, but when I try that same command, computer says no: fatal: destination path '/home/kernel/wine-git' already exists and is not an empty directory. so what should I type to do what I am trying to do?
[03:43] <DasEi> mezquitale: http://yfrog.com/0usnapshot1tfp
[03:43] <tommyon> Anyone know how to get fglrx to install on Jaunty for an ATI mobile video card?
[03:43] <arghh2d2> doltek: ssh?
[03:43] <doltek> huh?
[03:43] <supernatendo> vnc
[03:43] <computer_> doltek, Application/Internet/Remote Desktop
[03:43] <mgolisch> iKernel: git update maybe?
[03:43] <doltek> ok then what?
[03:43] <arghh2d2> doltek: or maybe just network manager is what your after?
[03:44] <alazyworkaholic> tommyon: not sure what rxx the 200M is, but if it's old you're very very likely better off using the default open source driver. If you need better 3D, I think all you can do now is search for and add the xorg-edgers ppa so that you have the daily bleeding edge packages, which I hear give fairly good performance now.
[03:44] <doltek> I want to take full control over it
[03:44] <arghh2d2> doltek: ok, you want vnc then
[03:44] <computer_> doltek, youtube ubuntu 9.10 remote desktop
[03:44] <ziggy> i just upgraded my os and now my icons are gone can any one help me out plz
[03:44] <webbb82> how could i reconfig x so i can set my paste with middle click to paste with button 2
[03:44] <mgolisch> crypt-0-: no idea, maybe grep through its config files for that wrong string
[03:44] <doltek> ok thx
[03:44] <doltek> I'm still running 9.04
[03:44] <tommyon> alazyworkaholic, 3D isn't my main concern. Using the "radeon" opensource driver prevents me from resuming from suspend when I suspend to ram.
[03:45] <doltek> 9.10 dont work on my laptop
[03:45] <computer_> youtube ubuntu 9.04 remote desktop
[03:45] <computer_> :)
[03:45] <arghh2d2> doltek: thats ok
[03:45] <doltek> :D
[03:45] <computer_> youtube has good tutorials
[03:45] <arghh2d2> 9.04 is stabler than 9.10
[03:45] <rubin110> Hi there. I'm trying to get netbook 9.10 running on a friend's MSI Wind U100. I read that there's an option called "Discarded or shutdown, unless you save them elsewhere" that can be selected when using the usb-create package. I got the ISO on the USB thumb drive via debian and don't have a machine near by that's running a linux gui. Does anyone know what this option does exactly?
[03:45] <ziggy> i just upgraded my os and now my icons are gone can any one help me out plz
[03:45] <ziggy> i would like my Desktop icons back can you please help
[03:46] <tommyon> alazyworkaholic, I'll try the xorg-edgers ppa. Thanks for the tip.
[03:46] <alabd> Good day everyone , How to make ubuntu not to ask password for root privilege  ? is there anyway to not enter password each time for each program access ?
[03:46] <mgolisch> ziggy: what icons? all?
[03:46] <Axanon> I have 2 nic cards in my computer and want to use 1 for LAN traffic the other for WAN traffic.. can anybody point me in the direction of a good tutorial for configuring Mint/Ubuntu to do this?
[03:47] <mgolisch> ziggy: maybe try starting nautilus, its drasw the desktop view
[03:47] <mgolisch> draws
[03:47] <crypt-0-> mgolisch, i suspect it may not be the bootloader, since it does unlock the encrypted filesystem, it just asks for the wrong one in /dev/mapper
[03:47] <tommyon> alazyworkaholic, which package do I install from his PPA? xserver-xorg-video-ati?
[03:47] <Bondy> alabd sudo su
[03:47] <leaf-sheep> rubin110: Discarded on shutdown?  I'm guessing you're using a persistent desktop.  Anything you did will be revert back to the starting point of the machine you firstly boot.
[03:47] <alazyworkaholic> tommyon: I hope it works. I'm about to try it out for a newer card.
[03:48] <alabd> Bondy:  how about in GUI ?
[03:48] <tommyon> alazyworkaholic, I'm not sure which package to grab, though.
[03:48] <rubin110> leaf-sheep: I can figure that, I'm asking what does this option do under the usb-creator package?
[03:48] <mgolisch> crypt-0-: hm maybe it pulls that from something else than fstab there might be some dedicated file it pulls that from when building the initramfs
[03:48] <rubin110> leaf-sheep: I created the USB drive on a debian machine that's not running a gui.
[03:48] <rubin110> leaf-sheep: Ah, I should mention that not having that option enabled seems to make the MSI Wind not want to boot up the livecd for 9.10 netbook remix.
[03:49] <rubin110> Which is why I don't want to figure out what it does so I can see about changing it by hand.
[03:49] <crypt-0-> mgolisch, i can try to make the root filesystem mount it the "wrong" place. That would fix it.
[03:49] <mgolisch> crypt-0-: what does your /etc/crypttab look like?
[03:49] <rubin110> I am having an extremely hard time finding anything through google about what this option actually does.
[03:49] <mezquitale> DasEi, check.torproject.org-->"Congratulations.  You are using Tor"
[03:50] <leaf-sheep> rubin110: Gotcha. I don't know what changes exactly are behind the screen. For me, I always have hard time installing netbooks via USB using ISO or any of the GUI tools.
[03:50] <crypt-0-> mgolisch, http://pastebin.com/m308bbf9c
[03:50] <tommyon> BBL
[03:50] <rubin110> Is there a boot option to enable this state of discarding things?
[03:51] <SuperMiguel> does ubuntu support trim?
[03:51] <mezquitale> DasEi, i'm using port 9050 instead of 6050, im wondering if it makes a difference?
[03:51] <leaf-sheep> !boot | rubin110
[03:52] <mgolisch> crypt-0-: id think its eother the bootloader or some file under the initramfs config dirs that tells it to ask for that wrong devicename
[03:52] <oo_seven> is the partition table part of the mbr, and after that the first parition starts?
[03:52] <oo_seven> or is there ANY data in between?
[03:52] <mezquitale> leaf-sheep, you should try DELL netbooks, dell even has laptops that ship with ubuntu, I didnt have a problem with one of their latest and greatest addition, netbook 1100
[03:52] <Yon> Data in betwee ?
[03:53] <Yon> n
[03:53] <crypt-0-> mgolisch, if i can get it to mount at cryptoroot, it would not be a problem. Should i just try that?
[03:53] <crypt-0-> mgolisch, it mounts at cryptroot now
[03:53] <leaf-sheep> mezquitale: I have Dell Mini 10 -- terrible Poulsbo graphic card. :(
[03:53] <oo_seven> in other words if i have 2 paritions : will backing up with dd: the mbr (first 512 b) AND /hda1 and /hda2   back up the entire disk??
[03:56] <crypt-0-> mgolisch, i found it, it was grub, i assume. The configuration is under "grub.cfg, instead of the menu.lst i am used to.
[03:56] <alabd> Good day everyone , How to make ubuntu not to ask password for root privilege  ? is there anyway to not enter password each time for each program access (GUI)?
[03:56] <mezquitale> DasEi, here is a pointless question, how do i disable tor? or should I leave tor running all the time? does it matter?
[03:56] <kitche> alabd: edit the sudoer file
[03:57] <arghh2d2> visudo
[03:57] <alabd> kitche: where is it ?
[03:57] <Yon> Cosole tor (option) stop
[03:57] <arghh2d2> cant just edit the sudoer
[03:57] <kitche> alabd: just type visudo and it will let you edit the file you want to have nopasswd can't remember the exact syntax for the word though
[03:58] <Bondy> alabd this is not really advisable but in a console type sudo passwd root and set a root password then log on as root
[03:58] <Yon> Consoole $sudo tor (option) stop
[03:58] <alabd> Bondy:  that way is dangerous
[03:58] <Yon> yeah
[03:59] <mezquitale> alabd, basially what you want to do is not type a password for rudimentary stuff like installing an app?  I would not recommend for you to do that, it's just easier to type the password, youll get used to it
[03:59] <alabd> kitche:  do you what should be done there in visudo ?
[03:59] <arghh2d2> alabd: just type: sudo visudo  -theres probly a line or two that you can just delete the # symbol to activate... its not advisable to begin with but its your system
[04:00] <arghh2d2> alabd: please dont windowize your fine linux machine
[04:01] <alabd> mezquitale:  you mean login as root ?
[04:01] <mezquitale> DasEi, anyway, thank you for the help tomorrow I will torrify irc
[04:02] <alabd> arghh2d2: so how to not type a password for rudimentary stuffs ...
[04:02] <arghh2d2> alabd: thats what Bondy what recomending
[04:02] <ubuntu-userrrr> hello i want to re-install grub im following the instructions from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows  when i do "sudo fdisk -l" i get this http://paste.ubuntu.com/342355/   after "mkdir /media/root" its ok.... and when im trying to mount .. "sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/root" i get this warning message http://paste.ubuntu.com/342351/    ..  P.S. im using 2 partitions the Ubuntu is at the second p
[04:02] <DasEi> mezquitale: you won't here
[04:02] <arghh2d2> alabd: you can start a root terminal by typing: sudo su   <--that keeps you root
[04:02] <alabd> no using root user is not secure Bondy arghh2d2
[04:02] <mgolisch> night
[04:03] <mgolisch> time for bed
[04:03] <ubuntu-userrrr> hello i want to re-install grub im following the instructions from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows  when i do "sudo fdisk -l" i get this http://paste.ubuntu.com/342355/   after "mkdir /media/root" its ok.... and when im trying to mount .. "sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/root" i get this warning message http://paste.ubuntu.com/342351/    ..  P.S. im using 2 Hard Drives the Ubuntu is at the second
[04:03] <ubuntu-userrrr> :P
[04:03] <mezquitale> alabd, i mean that you have to type a password for any GUI that needs admin privilege, that is for a good reason, youll be better off typing the password when you need to access the GUI than to figure out a way so that you dont have to
[04:03] <Bondy> alabd using root is not secure you are correct but neither is running a gui that does not require the password no diff really
[04:04] <alabd> mezquitale:  what do you mean of " youll be better off typing the password"
[04:04] <Bondy> and just fyi most if not all other distros alow you to log in as root
[04:04] <supernatendo> DRBL help needed please!
[04:05] <prappl93> Ubuntu randomly freezes on my computer and takes a while to unfreeze. Is there a way to tell if all my software is working properly so that it can work better?
[04:05] <arghh2d2> alabd: for a root terminal type: sudo su
[04:05] <richard_rol> hello
[04:05] <alabd> arghh2d2:  gui
[04:05] <richard_rol> how to amend the icons
[04:05] <widget> wtas a good bittorrent client for ubuntu ? ive seen a couple but cant seem to install.. tried gtorrent and deluge, but cant find when doing sudo apt-get install (program)
[04:05] <supernatendo> @prappl93 sudo dpkg --configure -a
[04:05] <ajhtiredwolf> I had flash stop working for me in chrome, it seems to happen with large flash filees
[04:05] <supernatendo> @widget transmission FTW!
[04:06] <adibdab> need help...
[04:06] <SolarisBoy> deluge
[04:06] <richard_rol> hello,how to amend the icons
[04:06] <arghh2d2> alabd: log in as root
[04:06] <SolarisBoy> transmission
[04:06] <richard_rol> I need help
[04:06] <richard_rol> how to amend the icons
[04:06] <supernatendo> I need DRBL help
[04:06] <mezquitale> !ask| adibdab
[04:06] <supernatendo> amend as in????
[04:06] <adibdab> my bluetooth wont work on karmic..
[04:06] <adibdab> i use toshiba l510
[04:07] <Bondy> alabd there may be somewhere to change the default 15 mins after giving the password to a longer time so you dont have to enter it as much not sure where though
[04:07] <richard_rol> amend the desktop icons
[04:07] <prappl93> @supernatendo what do I do after I run that?
[04:07] <supernatendo> @prapple you can also run sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[04:08] <richard_rol> alter the icons
[04:08] <alabd> Bondy: yes but how ?
[04:08] <supernatendo> @prapple93 sudo apt-get -f remove
[04:08] <richard_rol> need help!!
[04:08] <prappl93> @supernatendo What does that do?
[04:08] <supernatendo> will remove broken packages
[04:09] <supernatendo> safe-upgrade upgrades packages
[04:09] <supernatendo> dpkg --configure -a checks for packages with missing dependencies
[04:11] <cyberjorge> how do you install lxde with "--without-recommends" syntax? I get "--without-recommends no understood" error.
[04:11] <prappl93> @supernatendo I will run all of those commands after I get done updating something right now.
[04:11] <adibdab> !ask : to enable bluetooth in toshiba L510 on karmic koala..
[04:11] <supernatendo> I need DRBL help
[04:11] <Bondy> !gui superuser
[04:12] <BigIg> When I try to install Ubuntu with the graphical isntaller, I select install from the menu and it starts loading and the screen just goes blank and does nothing. When I try the alternate installer I select install and it tells me it can't fine the CD.
[04:12] <Sn3ipen> Hi. I am having some troubles getting compiz to work. It worked perfectly fine yesterday, but today when i turned on the machine it wont work at all. I tried to totaly remove everything that was compiz something in Synaptic and reinstall it but its still the same
[04:12] <Bondy> !gui root
[04:12] <supernatendo> @Sn3ipen can you access the command line?
[04:12] <Bondy> even ubotto doesent know
[04:12] <leaf-sheep> cyberjorge: If you're using aptitude, I think it is -R
[04:13] <Jaikkuli> can someone point out the main disadvantages of installing ubuntu within windows, rather than partitioning?
[04:13] <i_is_broke> !root
[04:13] <BigIg> Jaikkuli: afaik disk performance goes down a bit but is otherwise nearly the same.
[04:13] <Sn3ipen> @supernatendo Yup
[04:13] <supernatendo> @jaikkuli relying on windows not messing up lol
[04:13] <Bondy> alabd apart from logging in as root do a gksudo nautilus and run what you need from there that might work
[04:13] <leaf-sheep> Jaikkuli: Bloated. The filesystem is not linux native. Things work a bit differently. (Not that I have anything against Wubi).
[04:14] <prappl93> Jaikkuli, it will take up a lot more resources due to the VM software.
[04:14] <alabd> Bondy: no that way is not useful
[04:14] <Jaikkuli> prappl93: vm? is this method really vm?
[04:14] <supernatendo> @Sn3ipe are you running an ati or nvidia card?
[04:14] <Jaikkuli> i just want to dual boot
[04:14] <BigIg> prappl93: It's not a VM
[04:15] <Bondy> alabd well learn to use the shell or login as root
[04:15] <Sn3ipen> @supernatendo ATI
[04:15] <alabd> thanks for your attentions  for now we leave it Bondy
[04:15] <Jaikkuli> leaf-sheep: linux doesn't like ntfs?
[04:15] <supernatendo> @Sn3ipen and are you using the proprietary ati driver?
[04:15] <supernatendo> linux uses ntfs just fine lol
[04:15] <cyberjorge> leaf-sheep: I use "apt-get  install --without-recommends lxde-core"   -r doesn't work either what the exact command?
[04:15] <supernatendo> ntfs just sucks compared to ext3 or ext4
[04:15] <widget> supernatendo: thnks, ill check that one out
[04:16] <EastDallas> alabd: there is a way, give me a second and I'll tell you how...just read something on this the other day
[04:16] <supernatendo> afk
[04:16] <airtonix> Jaikkuli, all is reavealed here in second post on this thread : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=481219
[04:16] <leaf-sheep> Jaikkuli: Linux can read NTFS -- I'm saying that linux resides on NTFS could be a problematic in long term because of how NTFS handle files.
[04:16] <Sn3ipen> @supernatendo no. I checked in hardware drivers but there aint any drivers for my card, so i gues its just using some open drivers. Its an Mobility Radeon x1400 btw.
[04:16] <leaf-sheep> cyberjorge: sudo aptitude install -R lxde-core -- Try that.
[04:16] <jonrob287> how does mythTV work? do you have to have some type of card?
[04:16] <alabd> EastDallas: thanks
[04:16] <EastDallas> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-disable-password-prompts-in-ubuntu.html
[04:16] <EastDallas> alabd: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-disable-password-prompts-in-ubuntu.html
[04:16] <prappl93> jonrob287, that is off topic.
[04:17] <jonrob287> what do mean off topic? where would i ask that question?
[04:17] <strayhyena> hello
[04:17] <EastDallas> jonrob287: video capture card(s) is helpful
[04:17] <Jaikkuli> airtonix: thanks, that is helpful
[04:18] <leaf-sheep> !offtopic | jonrob287
[04:18] <ctmjr> jonrob287: ask in #mythtv-users but keep in mind some people in there are rude
[04:18] <Sn3ipen> @supernatendo But it have been working like a charm on this computer for two years or so
[04:18] <Bondy> EastDallas surely would be better to login as root for admin tasks that disable the passwords permanently
[04:18] <cyberjorge> leaf-sheep: that worked! I save 70% resources excluding the packaged apps in lxde. :D thank you so much
[04:18] <leaf-sheep> jonrob287: #ubuntu-mythtv
[04:18] <strayhyena> does anyone know how to mount an image file without root and without editing fstab? my regular devices (external hard disks) mount as regular user and I can unmount them from nautilus
[04:18] <airtonix> Jaikkuli, also here : [ http://www.howtogeek.com/forum/topic/wubi-or-vm-or-dual-boot ] and here : [ http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/wubi.html ]
[04:18] <stealyourwife> jonrob287: yeah, they might hurt your feelings
[04:18] <webbb82> how do i save a file that i edit in the terminal   i need to save and exit isnt it ctrl s?
[04:18] <jonrob287> thnx for the help anyways then guys...
[04:18] <leaf-sheep> cyberjorge: Great! :)
[04:19] <widget> i did sudo apt=get install transmission.. and it looks like it installed.. though i dont know where to find it
[04:19] <EastDallas> jonrob287: http://www.mythtv.org/
[04:19] <widget> apt-get**
[04:19] <leaf-sheep> widget: Application --> Internet ?
[04:19] <widget> nope, not there
[04:19] <airtonix> Jaikkuli, and lastly here : http://wubi-installer.org/faq.php
[04:19] <jonrob287> why are they so mean in there?
[04:19] <leaf-sheep> widget: Try "killall gnome-panel"
[04:19] <leaf-sheep> widget: Gnome-Panel may need to be (refreshed).
[04:19] <stealyourwife> jonrob287: cuz theyre part goblin, part orc
[04:20] <widget> the terminal says "Setting up transmission (1.06-0ubuntu6) ..."
[04:20] <stealyourwife> all mean
[04:20] <widget> but after that is just the ,name.@ubuntu: $
[04:20] <widget> oh
[04:20] <widget> i c it there now
[04:20] <widget> ty :)
[04:20] <itilious> how come once i installed ubunt i can't install windows on any other hard drive/ partition?
[04:21] <airtonix> !enter | widget
[04:21] <ctmjr> jonrob287: it is not that they are mean they just expect you to try and find the answers yourself before asking questions
[04:21] <widget> sry :S
[04:21] <cyberjorge> leaf-sheep: by the way you got an idea how to install Ubuntu 9.10 Paravirt VM?
[04:21] <leaf-sheep> itilious: When you installed Ubuntu, you had a choice to make partitions (to make room for other OSes) or to use the whole hard drive.
[04:22] <leaf-sheep> cyberjorge: Not really. I don't use much VM.
[04:22] <cyberjorge> i see, thanks
[04:22] <strayhyena> how does ubuntu make devices umountable by the regular user?
[04:22] <itilious> leaf-sheep, i'm trying to use a secondary internal hard drive, which i never had a problem doing untill i installed ubuntu on my primary drive
[04:23] <prappl93> lspic reveals that, according to Ubuntu, I have an "Intel Audio Card" when I have a SigmaTel Audio Card. Is there a way to get the SigmaTel drivers on here?
[04:23] <prappl93> *lspci
[04:23] <stealyourwife> itilious: try gparted
[04:24] <leaf-sheep> itilious: Ask in ##windows -- As far as I know, I think Windows like to be on first hard drive.
[04:24] <Bondy> itilious have you formatted the secondary drive to ext3 or ext4
[04:24] <stealyourwife> windows bootloader has to be at the beginning of the master drive
[04:25] <EastDallas> Bondy:  that's what I gathered alabd wanted to do, otherwise why wouldn't you just use gksu?
[04:25] <leaf-sheep> itilious: You could shut down, swap the hard drive. Unplug the Ubuntu HDD (to be on safe side) and install it. Configure the bootloader later.
[04:25] <alabd> what is ""enable accessible login " for ?
[04:25] <dto> hi. i followed the instructions (install packages, plug in tablet, and reboot) for my new Wacom Bamboo Pen tablet. but it doesn't work after rebooting.
[04:25] <SuperMiguel> does ubuntu support trim?
[04:25] <itilious> Bondy, no there is no partition at all on it, i tried clearing everythign i could via gparted and still windows wont install on the second hard drive
[04:26] <supernatendo> @Sn3ipen you will need to enable the drivers for ATI for compiz to work properly
[04:26] <alabd> EastDallas: leave it doing so is not secure
[04:26] <supernatendo> the open drivers are reverse engineered as good as possible but some things wont work
[04:26] <EastDallas> alabd:  why can't you just use sudo, or gksu?
[04:26] <Bondy> itilious well if theres no partition on it you will need to format it to install on it does windows not give you the option?
[04:26] <supernatendo> click on system -> administration hardware drivers to enable it but you might want to backup xorg.conf first
[04:27] <itilious> Bondy, i can create the partition via the windows 7 disk but windows then says it can not use the partition
[04:27] <prappl93> My terminal is saying "The following packages are BROKEN: ubuntu-desktop" How do I fix this?
[04:28] <stealyourwife> your better off putting windows on your master drive or switch your hardrives internally so the one you want to put windows on is master...actually your better off just not running windows
[04:28] <spO> Can i do hdmi audio AND regular output audio at the same time?"
[04:28] <leaf-sheep> prappl93: What did you do? :(  ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage.  It can be safely removed.  The terminal also should give you options.
[04:28] <itilious> stealyourwife, i need to use it to simply capture anolog video though :(
[04:29] <prappl93> leaf-sheep, I am trying to install the PROPER drivers for my sound card (SigmaTel) instead of the "Intel" ones it loaded for it, and the guide says to remove Alsa and then it said that
[04:29] <shinchan_> guys is there any chat client like gtalk in ubuntu
[04:29] <leaf-sheep> !tv | itilious
[04:30] <webbb82> Currently the button mapping described above is being ignored by Hal. (As of 9.04 it appears that the button mapping is now applied correctly. Only use one method or the other.) This is particularly problematic if you want one of the small buttons to serve as middle click. A simple workaround is to remap what you need via xmodmap. As an example, let's map the small left button as middle click. Save this in your .Xmodmap file:
[04:30] <itilious> leaf-sheep, sure looks like something me a newbie can handle,,,, lol
[04:30] <webbb82> i cant find that file
[04:30] <leaf-sheep> shinchan_: There are many clients that can use Google Talk protocol.
[04:30] <leaf-sheep> shinchan_: Pidgin as an example.
[04:31] <Funzo> anybody know anything about recovering data from a reformatted partition?
[04:31] <supernatendo> where i use pidgin for irc lol
[04:31] <leaf-sheep> !recover | Funzo
[04:31] <shinchan_> i have kopete
[04:32] <Funzo> leaf-sheep I've read that link, but my situation doesnt really fit into there, I reformatted my ext3 partition to ext4
[04:32] <Hilikus> can i create an NTFS for windows in an LVM partition?
[04:32] <Funzo> by accident and lost years worth of data
[04:32] <EastDallas> yep, but MythTV is really meant for a pc that's dedicated for watching tv.
[04:32] <supernatendo> has anyone with DRBL experience?
[04:33] <Funzo> the guides never mention anything about what to do if it;'s been reformatted
[04:33] <lakotajames> I'm planning on installing linux on my flashdrive for use at school.  most of the computers are fairly old.  They all use windows xp, though, but my guess is that they barely meet the minimum requirements.  Would Ubuntu run ok?  or should I use something lighter?
[04:33] <apetrescu> Does anyone happen to know where Google Chrome stores its preferences and stuff like that? There doesn't appear to be any ~/.chrome directory.
[04:33] <sander_> hi someone knows about a kile forum
[04:33] <Hilikus> lakotajames if ubuntu doesn't work try xubuntu
[04:33] <Sn3ipen> @supernatendo How do i do that when there ain't any choices in "Hardware Drivers"?
[04:34] <shinchan_> lakotajames: u can try installin knoppix in ur flashdrive
[04:34] <Bondy> kde uses more resourses than gnome
[04:34] <supernatendo> @Sn3ipen I am actually not sure... usually it is listed there but you might want to google your card for ubuntu
[04:34] <leaf-sheep> Funzo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery#Lost%20Partition ?
[04:34] <lakotajames> Hilikus: I read that xubuntu's implementation of xfce really isn't any faster than gnome >_>
[04:35] <ubuntu-userrrrr> help me with Grub re-install guys i cant do it.. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows ............  ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo fdisk -l     "after i get this messages." http://paste.ubuntu.com/342385/   what should i type next?? i dont know anything about ubuntu/linux
[04:35] <Hilikus> lakotajames i don't know about fast, but it is lighter on memory
[04:35] <Bondy> lakotajames do you know the spec of the machines?
[04:36] <Bondy> but tbh if they run xp they should run ubuntu
[04:36] <thiebaude> lakotajames, 256 mb ram min for ubuntu
[04:36] <Bondy> thiebaude thats what it says for xp i used to run it on 128mb
[04:36] <Sn3ipen> @supernatendo Thanks. I will try to figure out how to install those crappy ATI drivers
[04:37] <thiebaude> thats for ubuntu also
[04:37] <Funzo> leaf-sheep: thanks, but it still doesnt mention anything about reformatted partitions, it assumes I have only deleted it
[04:37] <lakotajames> Bondy:  They're not all the same, but they all run xp.   Some of them are really slow, though.
[04:37] <ctmjr> lakotajames: make sure you have access to the bios so you can change the boot options i would guess most schools have access to the bios locked down pretty tight
[04:38] <leaf-sheep> Funzo: How big is the storage?
[04:38] <newbie01> !! I'm wanting to install Apache so I can learn PHP.  I know how to install it.. but what I would like to do is only run it when I want to, not during startup.  how do I do this?? thanks
[04:38] <lakotajames> ctmjr:  My school is too stupid to do anything like that :p  I've booted crunchbag before.
[04:38] <Funzo> leaf-sheep: 400gb
[04:38] <prappl93> Is there a way to install SigmaTel Audio Drivers so my computer won't freeze as often?
[04:39] <leaf-sheep> Funzo: The Main OS on it? (The one you're on right now?) or is it separated parition?
[04:39] <michael_> Hello all
[04:39] <Funzo> only the /home drive
[04:40] <EastDallas> ubuntu-userrrrr: http://ubuntuguide.net/how-to-restore-grub-2-after-reinstalling-windows-xpvistawin7
[04:40] <rCX> What is the escape sequence for a double quote in the terminal?
[04:40] <Funzo> and I'm running a live cd now
[04:40] <michael_> I need some help with getting my nvidia geforce 9800 Gt and 2 acer al1916w monitors to work
[04:40] <Bondy> lakotajames even if they dont have the bios locked down they might still detect your actions
[04:40] <itilious> does ANYONE here know how to simply capture analog video via ubuntu?
[04:41] <Billiard> itilious: you have a supported device for doing it?
[04:41] <leaf-sheep> Funzo: Do you have any hard drive that you could use? I'm thinking that you could ddrescue to "clone" the home partition (byte for byte) then you could play around with recovery tools on the image instead of the actual partition.
[04:41] <lakotajames> Bondy, they don't care. :p
[04:41] <itilious> yes, i can view it via tvtime
[04:41] <itilious> Billiard, i just can't find software that can capture it
[04:41] <Billiard> itilious: you want to capture using command line?
[04:41] <stealyourwife> itilious: you're trying to download cable like a tivo or something?
[04:41] <Funzo> leaf-sheep I don't have any storage that big, otherwise I would have made a backup before haha
[04:41] <Billiard> itilious: i use mencoder
[04:42] <Funzo> but at this point the data is gone so I will  try anything
[04:42] <rubin110> I am running netbook remix, how do I type in unicode codes?
[04:42] <rubin110> It seems like there's a setting under Keyboard Preferences, but that option doesn't exist under the netbook remix.
[04:42] <lazydragoon> someone can telp my why i can't go in task menager ?
[04:42] <rubin110> http://distilledb.com/blog/archives/date/2009/03/06/typing-special-characters-in-ubuntu.page
[04:42] <willy_one> I'm wanting to install Apache so I can learn PHP.  I know how to install it.. but what I would like to do is only run it when I want to, not during startup.  how do I do this? thanks
[04:42] <leaf-sheep> Funzo: Well, if it is that important, then you would be wise.  I have 20GB dedicated for system, 2TB for data. So the home partition is really small for me.
[04:42] <stealyourwife> urxvt?
[04:42] <itilious> Billiard, i tried that but i'm pretty new to the linux scene so its a little more complicated for myself at the moment
[04:42] <michael_> I need some help with getting my nvidia geforce 9800 Gt and 2 acer al1916w monitors to work
[04:42] <Billiard> lazydragoon: what happens when you try
[04:42] <itilious> Billiard, are there any gui options for analog video capture?
[04:42] <leaf-sheep> Funzo: You could try and recover it... It is not all lost, you know.
[04:43] <strayhyena> is it possible to undelete with ext4
[04:43] <lazydragoon> Billiard:  that just close the page im on
[04:43] <Funzo> how?
[04:43] <Bondy> lazydragoon task manager is windows
[04:43] <Bondy> you mean system monitor?
[04:43] <Billiard> itilious: idk, ive never wanted one
[04:43] <lazydragoon> well the thing you do ctrl and esc
[04:43] <willy_one> 1300 people and I still get no answer.  wow
[04:43] <leaf-sheep> Funzo: By actually playing with recovery tools on the home partitions and hopefully you can recover it.
[04:43] <Bondy> go to system >administration>system monitor
[04:43] <willy_one> I'm wanting to install Apache so I can learn PHP.  I know how to install it.. but what I would like to do is only run it when I want to, not during startup.  how do I do this?? thanks
[04:43] <Billiard> !undelete | strayhyena
[04:44] <itilious> Billiard, do you have a link maybe that can simple it up a little bit for a newbie?
[04:44] <Billiard> itilious: i dont know of one sorry, but i can give you a command i have saved that you could modify
[04:44] <Hilikus> can i create an NTFS for windows in an LVM partition?
[04:44] <lakotajames> Thing is, I want something that won't be slower than xp.  You think I should try ubuntu, or go for something like Lubuntu?
[04:45] <Jigbuntu> I sho lubs me sum ubuntu!
[04:45] <Billiard> Hilikus: i dont see why not
[04:45] <Jigbuntu> Where de boer women at?
[04:45] <michael_> I need some help with getting my nvidia geforce 9800 Gt and 2 acer al1916w monitors to work
[04:45] <Hilikus> Billiard so windows will understand LVM?
[04:45] <Billiard> Hilikus: well idk about that
[04:45] <leaf-sheep> willy_one: There are #apache -- Also, the startup daemon might be in /etc/default/
[04:45] <calamity> Howdy!
[04:46] <Xeon3D> any solution to the iwlagn driver bug in 9.10 ?
[04:46] <calamity> I'm looking for a graphical way to monitor which processes are using the most CPU.
[04:46] <calamity> Kind of like "top" but with a desktop widget
[04:46] <Xeon3D> calamity: sudo apt-get install htop
[04:46] <Xeon3D> oh :P
[04:46] <Hilikus> calamity theres an app for that
[04:46] <Hilikus> in system
[04:46] <lakotajames> Hilikus: http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7520/1.html
[04:46] <calamity> Xeon3D: thanks .:)
[04:46] <Billiard> itilious: mencoder tv:// -tv driver=v4l2:input=1:norm=NTSC:width=720:height=480:device=/dev/video0:adevice=/dev/dsp1:amode=1 -oac pcm -ovc raw -o filename
[04:47] <lakotajames> Hilikius:  look at the tests for ram usage.
[04:47] <Jigbuntu> Tired of nigggggggers and their monkeyshines?  Join Chimpout Forum!   At Chimpout Forum we are NOT WHITE SUPREMACISTS.   Asians, non-negroid Hispanics, Jews, Indians, Native Americans,Whites, Turks, Mexicans, and Polynesians are welcome, as we recognize the diversity of the human race.   Join Chimpout today in the epic battle against the fecal-colored beast!   http://www.chimpout.com/forum
[04:47] <calamity> Hilikus: in system where?
[04:47] <Xeon3D> any solution to the iwlagn driver bug in 9.10 ? My wireless speed is like 1/10 of my wired speed. (and the router is like < 1m far from the laptop)
[04:47] <jtaji> !ops | Jigbuntu
[04:47] <widget> can i probe to see what hardwars isnt installed ?  my audio / wifi / touchpad all dont work
[04:47] <losha> jtaji: beat me to it...
[04:47] <michael_> I need some help with getting my nvidia geforce 9800 Gt and 2 acer al1916w monitors to work
[04:47] <Hilikus> wtf is that
[04:48] <willy_one> leaf-sheep -- I tried #apache and they sent me here .. startup daemon.. okay.. thank you so much
[04:48] <Jigbuntu> Tired of nigggggggers and their monkeyshines?  Join Chimpout Forum!   At Chimpout Forum we are NOT WHITE SUPREMACISTS.   Asians, non-negroid Hispanics, Jews, Indians, Native Americans,Whites, Turks, Mexicans, and Polynesians are welcome, as we recognize the diversity of the human race.   Join Chimpout today in the epic battle against the fecal-colored beast!   http://www.chimpout.com/forum
[04:48] <Hilikus> Jigbuntu are you a bot
[04:48] <leaf-sheep> willy_one: Just nano the file and see.  It usually have 0 or 1 (to indicate true/false).
[04:49] <Bondy> willy_one sudo apt-get install apache2
[04:49] <michael_> anyone know why my nvidia x server shows my current monitor as a CRT-0? and my second as Acer AL1916W (disabled)?
[04:49] <Laughing_God> hi
[04:49] <calamity> Xeon3D: actually, this isn't what I was after.
[04:50] <Xeon3D> calamity: I noticed, hence the oh! after
[04:50] <calamity> rephrase: I'm looking for a desktop widget.
[04:50] <Bondy> willy_one sorry misread what you asked with the spamming
[04:50] <calamity> Xeon3D: fair enough :p
[04:50] <Fezzler> do i need to uninstall audacity when upgrading to new build?
[04:50] <Hilikus> lakotajames interesting
[04:50] <Xeon3D> calamity: tried gdesklets?
[04:50] <willy_one> no apolagies needed..
[04:50] <Billiard> Fezzler: how are you installing?
[04:50] <willy_one> lemm install apache right quick..
[04:50] <widget> can i probe to see what hardwars isnt installed ?  my audio / wifi / touchpad all dont work
[04:50] <Laughing_God> Im now using toshiba portege m900.Its has nvidia graphic card.But in unable to enable the visual effect why?
[04:50] <calamity> Xeon3D:  not yet, but that sounds promising
[04:50] <willy_one> BRB
[04:51] <Hilikus> no screenshot though, i guess it looks like crap
[04:52] <Fezzler> Billiard>> From audacity site?
[04:52] <Billiard> Fezzler: well is it a .deb file or are you installing from source or what?
[04:52] <GuZ2k9> i'm using jolicloud on an aspire one netbook and can't get sound working, jolicloud is based off ubuntu netbook remix so i was oping i could get some help here?
[04:53] <lakotajames> Hilikus: looks like a gnomey openbox.
[04:53] <MenZa> !derivatives | GuZ2k9
[04:53] <michael_> anyone know why my nvidia x server shows my current monitor as a CRT-0? and my second as Acer AL1916W (disabled)?
[04:53] <Fezzler> Billiard>> http://audacity.sourceforge.net/download/
[04:53] <Laughing_God> How do i enable this Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Adobe's Flash Player. Get the latest Flash player. 					????
[04:53] <MenZa> !flash > Laughing_God
[04:53] <Fezzler> Billiard>> Linux / Unix
[04:53] <Laughing_God> Okeu~
[04:53] <ctmjr> michael_: you need to enable it if you want the second monitor
[04:53] <GuZ2k9> okay, thank you MenZa, i joined #jolicloud but no ones answered for hours now
[04:53] <MenZa> Fezzler: audacity is in the repositories -- sudo apt-get install audacity
[04:54] <Fezzler> Billiard>> 1.3.10
[04:54] <badbandit> hey anyone know how to install thunderbird 3?"
[04:54] <Fezzler> Billiard>> 1.3.10?
[04:54] <MenZa> GuZ2k9: That's unfortunate, but because everything's changed around, we can't provide support and assume it'll work.
[04:54] <badbandit> i dl it and extracted to folder but dont see any install file
[04:54] <Billiard> Fezzler: if you are installing from source, i would uninstall first
[04:54] <GuZ2k9> okay, thanks anyway MenZa, have a good night
[04:54] <michael_> ctmjr: I did enable it. but when I hit quit and start it back up it goes back to disabled.
[04:54] <willy_one> okay, got apache & php installed .. if I reboot, how can I tell if it ran at startup?
[04:54] <willy_one> (on ubuntu desktop_)
[04:55] <Fezzler> Billiard>> to uninstall audacity, just delete folders?
[04:55] <willy_one> well shoot..  I'll be back
[04:56] <Bondy> willy_one if it starts on reboot it will display as started during boot
[04:56] <Billiard> Fezzler: um, i dont know of a good way to uninstall after installing from source, you can use checkinstall when you install from source to create a deb, so it can be easily removed later
[04:56] <ctmjr> michael_: try it with sudo nvidia-settings then enable the second monitor then save the configuration to xorg there are buttons for it in the nvidia-settings
[04:57] <Bondy> not sure but if it doesent because it has been set to not start wether it would give a fail message
[04:58] <Laughing_God> How do i enable cube effect?
[04:58] <lazydragoon> i install  ubuntu from kubuntu can i delete kubuntu because i not using kubuntu anymore
[04:58] <tommyon> If I click on "exit" it will present me with the option to suspend or hibernate (which do not work on this laptop.) Is there a way to hide these buttons in Xfce4? (I'm using Xubuntu Jaunty.)
[04:58] <goddard> hey yo
[04:58] <leaf-sheep> !cube | Laughing_God
[04:59] <Laughing_God> Thanks
[04:59] <Billiard> !puregnome | lazydragoon
[04:59] <goddard> I am having a problem with totem and the you tube plugin I want to watch my videos but it often gives me an error "Automount failed: mountpoint for org.gtk.vfs.mountpoint.http already running"  I also would like to be able to use playlist options any ideas?
[04:59] <airtonix> badbandit, http://digitizor.com/2009/12/10/how-to-install-thunderbird-3-shredder-in-ubuntu-9-10/
[05:00] <Laughing_God> !restricted
[05:00] <lazydragoon> ok
[05:00] <RPG_Master> Can anyone here help me with setting up a AT&T 3g USB stick with Ubuntu?
[05:01] <balleyne> how do I find out what my Alt Gr key is?
[05:01] <hanasaki> how do I get the kernel boot menu back in grub?  looks like it autoupdated to grub2 with 1.97 and it just boots to A kernel without ever showing a boot list
[05:01] <michael_> ok i got it to enable, but I can't see it. Monitor is blank.
[05:01] <Billiard> hanasaki: hold shift i believe
[05:01] <leaf-sheep> hanasaki: Hold SHIFT at boot.
[05:01] <airtonix> RPG_Master, have you read this : http://6head.blogspot.com/2008/12/now-to-3g-wireless-working.html
[05:02] <ctmjr> RPG_Master: i plugged mine in and it showed up under the network-manager under broadband had the phone number and everything i just hit connect
[05:02] <michael_> and why is this monitor i'm looking at called crt-0 and the one that I can't see is called acer AL1916W?
[05:02] <goddard> I am having a problem with totem and the you tube plugin I want to watch my videos but it often gives me an error "Automount failed: mountpoint for org.gtk.vfs.mountpoint.http already running"  I also would like to be able to use playlist options any ideas?
[05:02] <leaf-sheep> michael_: You're using AVI connection instead of DVI, I think.
[05:02] <oddbio> If I'm not using GNome, then what uses less resource, gnome-terminal, or xterm?
[05:02] <hanasaki> leaf-sheep: ? shift?  the grub site says to edit the files in /etc !!!!
[05:02] <cplx>  I have a ibm x3550 M2 server - I want to configure the drives for RAID.. I can't seem to see a RAID utility when its booting up.. where can I
[05:02] <cplx>               setup RAID 1 for these drivers?
[05:02] <michael_> yes avi connection on both
[05:02] <badbandit> where should i place downloaded programs such as thunderbird in my file structure?
[05:03] <michael_> avi with a dvi adapter
[05:03] <leaf-sheep> hanasaki: For permanent, probably.  To access a list of kernels, just hold SHIFT.
[05:03] <lazydragoon> ok i got problem when i install something in ubuntu i have to accpt the agreement but when i take the arrow down the accept term stay black so i can't accept and install someone have a idea ?
[05:03] <balleyne> what's the "Alt Gr" key?
[05:03] <willy_one> okay, I've got Apache install on my Ubuntu Desktop.. how do I keep it from running at startup?
[05:03] <hanasaki> leaf-sheep:  yes shift works Thanks!  there no way to get it to come up automatically with a timer like old grub?  also the memtest86+ doesn't work
[05:04] <leaf-sheep> !grub2 | hanasaki
[05:04] <Billiard> badbandit: you should install using the package manager
[05:04] <badbandit> 3.0 isnt in there
[05:04] <Laughing_God> What is exectaly sudo is means?
[05:04] <leaf-sheep> !sudo | Laughing_God
[05:04] <Laughing_God> why every command has sudo?
[05:05] <hanasaki> thanks leaf-sheep
[05:05] <RPG_Master> ctmjr: Really? A 3G USB stick?
[05:05] <RPG_Master> Just making sure :P
[05:05] <Laughing_God> Thanks leaf
[05:05] <leaf-sheep> badbandit: Search "Launchpad, Mozilla Daily PPA" -- Add the PPA and there are Thunderbird 3.0/3.1
[05:06] <badbandit> ok
[05:07] <FloodBot2> !netsplit
[05:08] <hanasaki> leaf-sheep: memtest86+ says "linux16 memtest86+"  and when its selected it says "file not found"
[05:09] <emma> Do any of you have a scanner that is currently for sale at bestbuy that works perfectly on ubuntu?
[05:09] <GuZ2k9> this is really odd, i'm getting sounds in certain apps in ubuntu
[05:09] <GuZ2k9> pidgin gives me IM sounds , yet watching a youtube video or using grooveshark doesnt work
[05:09] <JustMozzy> hi guys
[05:09] <RPG_Master> what just happened?
[05:10] <JustMozzy> I am currently configuring wallpapers for my desktop cube but they look aweful because they are streched. how can I set the mode to zoom (like in nautilus desktop)
[05:10] <willy_one> !! How do I keep apache from running at startup?
[05:10] <freeride1> please help, what repositories must have to install lamp?
[05:10] <freeride1> !lamp
[05:12] <freeride1> please help, what repositories must have to install lamp?
[05:12] <Billiard> freeride1: look at that link from ubottu
[05:12] <GuZ2k9> what the hell just happened?
[05:12] <hanasaki> when my screensaver is on and I move the mouse or start to type the password the dialog does not come up however it does take the password.  how can I get this to work correctly?  this is just since upgrading to 9.10
[05:13] <freeride1> freeride1 I did, there isn't any
[05:13] <GuZ2k9> pidgin gives me IM sounds , yet watching a youtube video or using grooveshark doesnt work..anyone know why?
[05:13] <GuZ2k9> in fact, i get an error whenever trying to use grooveshark
[05:13] <freeride1> BilliardI1 did, there isn't any
[05:13] <Billiard> freeride1: you dont need to add any 3rd party repositories
[05:13] <michael_> ok I now have 2 screens working.... now I need to understand why the "main" monitor is not showing up the same as the other monitor. ie. 1st monitor is CRT-0 2nd monitor is Acer AL1916W. They are both Acer AL1916W's
[05:14] <doublindirection> anyone knows what could cause high cpu temperature even on low usage?
[05:14] <freeride1> Billiard but why apt-get doesn't find the packages?
[05:14] <Billiard> freeride1: which package?
[05:14] <freeride1> lamp-server
[05:14] <plunked> doublindirection, bad cooling?
[05:15] <doublindirection> cpu load is 3-4%, freq scaled down to 800mhz, cpu temp 60+C
[05:15] <goddard> I am having a problem with totem and the you tube plugin I want to watch my videos but it often gives me an error "Automount failed: mountpoint for org.gtk.vfs.mountpoint.http already running"  I also would like to be able to use playlist options any ideas?
[05:15] <ganymede> hi, i was wondering if there is a way to apply the noatime mount option globally (or at least for all devices that are hotplugged in.) i don't want to have to create a new fstab entry for each of my USB devices just to add the noatime option
[05:15] <doublindirection> plunked, is fine in windows, no overheating at all
[05:15] <doublindirection> running at 30C
[05:15] <Billiard> freeride1: read the link, it tells you how to install lamp
[05:16] <plunked> thats pretty interesting :\ im not too sure what could cause that - perhaps bad drivers?
[05:16] <plunked> im not certain though
[05:17] <freeride1> Billiard well, i do not want to install apache2, mysql, etc... In 8.04 i just apt-get install lamp^, and
[05:17] <michael_> ok I now have 2 screens working.... now I need to understand why the "main" monitor is not showing up the same as the other monitor. ie. 1st monitor is CRT-0 2nd monitor is Acer AL1916W. They are both Acer AL1916W's
[05:17] <ianm_> how would I add a little of the mic input to the audio output (for headphone skype) ?
[05:17] <GuZ2k9> what the hell is going on?!
[05:18] <Billiard> freeride1: you are saying you are too lazy to read the link? ok then,   sudo tasksel install lamp-server
[05:18] <Freeaqingme> GuZ2k9, past few days freenode is being DDOS'ed, and as a result of that, there's some netsplits
[05:18] <Amaranth> !netsplit
[05:18] <Gaara> hi
[05:18] <doublindirection> anybody with an hp elitebook laptop?
[05:18] <Billiard> !anyone | doublindirection
[05:19] <Gaara> not elite but pavilion
[05:19] <kishore> hi all
[05:19] <Gaara> hey anyone a java geek here...
[05:19] <GuZ2k9> pidgin gives me IM sounds , yet watching a youtube video or using grooveshark doesnt work..anyone know why?
[05:19] <GuZ2k9> i'm using an acer aspire one
[05:19] <kishore> is like any microsoft office in linux
[05:19] <GuZ2k9> netbook, that is
[05:19] <riverbird_> ditto on pavillion.  what's the real question?
[05:19] <Billiard> GuZ2k9: how did you install flash?
[05:19] <kishore> ubuntu
[05:19] <doublindirection> :) wondering if anyone with an elitebook laptop has cooling problems...
[05:20] <GuZ2k9> Billiard: what do you mean?
[05:20] <Gaara> i have a million of doubts in java am doin a project can any one help me out...
[05:20] <MenZa> Gaara: Try ##java
[05:20] <Billiard> GuZ2k9: how did you install the flash plugin? it isnt installed by default
[05:20] <Gaara> ya every HP laptop has the cooling prob
[05:21] <doublindirection> because mine is idling at 60C, but only when in linux
[05:21] <michael_> why does nvidia x server show one of my two Acer monitors as CRT-0?
[05:21] <Billiard> GuZ2k9: open the package manager and check if the "flashplugin-nonfree"  package is installed
[05:21] <FloodBot3> !netsplit
[05:21] <michael_> why does nvidia x server show one of my two Acer monitors as CRT-0?
[05:21] <doublindirection> that is what puzzles me, that windows xp has no problems
[05:21] <Billiard> doublindirection: 60C isnt super bad
[05:21] <alankila> michael_: a wild guess: you have connected the other one via dvi and another via vga?
[05:22] <michael_> alankila: nope both are using a dvi adapter
[05:22] <alankila> oh. Well, was worth a shot.
[05:23] <michael_> lol thanks...
[05:23] <michael_> it's just really weird
[05:23] <doublindirection> Billiard, that is on idle, if i'm doing actually doing anything goes higher and typing on a warm keyboard for longer sessions becomes unpleasant
[05:23] <michael_> why does nvidia x server show one of my two Acer monitors as CRT-0?
[05:23] <Billiard> doublindirection: my video card idles at 60C
[05:24] <Billiard> doublindirection: what temperatures do you get in windows?
[05:24] <Gaara> any java experts here pls help!!!!!!!!!
[05:25] <doublindirection> Billiard, around 35
[05:25] <Billiard> Gaara: try in java channel maybe
[05:25] <Billiard> doublindirection: anything using a lot of cpu?
[05:25] <freeride1> Billiard I remembered, I just need to type sudo tasksel )))
[05:25] <riverbird_> Gaara, not a java room
[05:25] <doublindirection> top says Cpu(s):  4.5%us
[05:26] <Gaara> i can't find any java channel....
[05:26] <michael_> why does nvidia x server show one of my two Acer monitors as CRT-0? and the other as Acer?
[05:26] <ganymede> why is it that when i'm doing a lot of disk I/O on a dual core, the system becomes unresponsive and jerky even though one CPU is doing all the I/O wait and the other is sitting there 90% idle according to "top"? shouldn't syscalls or I/O only block one core, not both? can't the other core take care of keeping my desktop responsive?
[05:26] <alankila> michael_: I bet you get better results from google than repeating that endlessly here.
[05:27] <ganymede> my physical memory has a lot free according to free -m
[05:27] <Billiard> Gaara: ##java  ?
[05:27] <michael_> alankila: one would think... but man that's like looking for a needle in the ocean
[05:27] <alankila> ganymede: the problem is that applications also need to access the disk occasionally, due to on-demand paging and memory pressure issues. But these requests are queued with the other IO.
[05:27] <Lostinspace_46> Gaara:-) Yeah..what Billiard said
[05:28] <alankila> thus, they stall, and linux on the whole stalls. Also there have been bugs with data transfer on one physical device also blocking the other disks, which is even worse.
[05:29] <Lostinspace_46> When a window opens, does gnome set it's location
[05:29] <ianm_> Lostinspace_46: metacity or compiz does that
[05:30] <riverbird>  /join #ubuntu-us-nm
[05:30] <linux0g> hey all
[05:30] <Lostinspace_46> ianm_:-) Hmmm, compiz?  I will check, thanks
[05:30] <linux0g> i love compiz
[05:31] <soreau> Lostinspace_46: The Window Manager is responsible for that behavior. Default window manager in gnome is metacity, but you can use compiz or any other for that matter. It should be noted only one window manager can be used at any given time
[05:31] <linux0g> is that a ddos attack?
[05:31] <linux0g> or some type of flood
[05:31] <soreau> ! netsplit | linux0g
[05:31] <linux0g> ?
[05:31] <linux0g> oh
[05:31] <widget> can ubuntu 8.04 not see NTFS ? i got an external hdd connected with files i need to access
[05:31] <Gaara> why is everyone quiting like that..
[05:31] <ganymede> alankila, oh i see, i just realized by disk I/O probably caused a lot of things to be cached and thus the applications got swapped
[05:31] <linux0g> ty for the clarification
[05:32] <Billiard> widget: ubuntu can access ntfs partitions
[05:32] <linux0g> ganymede......
[05:32] <Lostinspace_46> soreau:-) Thanks, I am looking now
[05:32] <soreau> ! netsplit | Gaara
[05:32] <linux0g> i just had it explained to me
[05:32] <linux0g> yup
[05:32] <alankila> ganymede: not necessarily swapped. Swapping is the fate of what is called anonymous (not file backed) memory. Application pages are called page cache, and page cache gets shrunk during IO.
[05:32] <linux0g> there ya go
[05:32] <soreau> widget: 8.04 should be able to mount ntfs just fine
[05:32] <linux0g> 8.04 cant upgrade to 9.10
[05:33] <linux0g> thats kinda wierd, and you'd think they would have a upgrade option in the iso or on the cd
[05:33] <ctmjr> ekontsevoy: did you try man dpkg, man apt-get or man aptitude
[05:33] <wee_> hi, i cant get my mic to work. i have tried to oppen up all channels in alsamixer and tried to change my input source with no luck. when i try to start pavumeter --record i just get "connection refused". i can hear my mic through my speakers and i can mute it in the mixer. my sound card is alc889a hd audio. (gigabyte ma790x-ud4 mother board) does anyone know how i can fix my problem ?
[05:33] <linux0g> alsa
[05:34] <linux0g> uuuuuuuuuuuug
[05:34] <linux0g> thats soooo anoying
[05:34] <Xeon3D> linux0g: indeed. (that is if you're speaking about the netsplits)
[05:34] <linux0g> yes
[05:35] <pfak> mdadm question: I have a RAID6 array that has two failed drives, I readded the drives and now one says "spare rebuilding" and the other one says "spare." All drives previously said "active sync" in the mdadm details. Does a spare drive after its done syncing turn to "active sync" and then proceed to sync the next spare drive?
[05:35] <linux0g> netsplits suck, but it happens.
[05:35] <ganymede> alankila, page cache "shrunk?" like it just discards memory that processes had allocated? i thought the OS would put that into my swap file because it determined that that process would be sleeping for a long time
[05:35] <hanasaki> anyone know how to NAT dtls?
[05:35] <widget> oh ok.. its saying i can't mount volume :S .. not too sure wat that meanws
[05:35] <hanasaki> not tls
[05:36] <Xeon3D> it seems freenode is being DDoS'ed
[05:36] <riverbird> linux0g, 8.04 will be able to upgrade directly to 10.04 in april, otherwise yes, you have to go through each distro.  at this point i might just wait
[05:36] <KindOne> Xeon3D: http://www.irc-junkie.org/2009-12-15/freenode-under-ddos/      Yes it is.
[05:36] <alankila> ganymede: there are two kinds of memory application consists of: read-write memory and read-only memory. The read-only memory is the stuff like application code or files memory mapped in read-only fashion.
[05:37] <alankila> these can be reconstructed just by reading the data from the same files they were originally read in the first place and thus they don't need to be swapped.
[05:37] <sontek> Is there a log that shows when a computer was turned on / off
[05:37] <ganymede> alankila, so that's what's being discarded when i do I/O?
[05:38] <ganymede> alankila, i'm reading over 6 gigs of files, and i only have 4 gigs of physical memory
[05:38] <ganymede> alankila, of course, the 6 gigs aren't open the entire time, it's just reading through and closing file after file
[05:39] <alankila> yes, what linux does is shrink page cache (chiefly) and push anonymous memory on swap when you cause memory pressure.
[05:39] <ganymede> alankila, thanks for the clarification
[05:39] <alankila> the page cache is shrunk to make room for the data. Linux doesn't know if you are going to use the data again, so all it can do is guess that probably you will
[05:40] <willy_one> PEACE ON EARTH -- GOOD WILL TOWARD MEN
[05:40] <cyberjorge> hi, I get this error whenever I start ubuntu server, how do I get away with this.... http://pastebin.com/m18bcddc9
[05:40] <ganymede> alankila, the line in the "top" command labelled cache refers to this page cache? and "buffers" refers to r/w data that can be swapped?
[05:40] <wee_> is here anyone that can hlp me with my mic problem ?
[05:41] <alankila> ganymede: I am in fact not 100% sure what buffers refers to. I believe that these are contents of device blocks which are known by OS but not used by anything, or dirty data not yet written to disk
[05:41] <Code_Bleu> my picasa 3 for linux throws an error everytime i launch. If i move the error out of the way, some things still work, but some dont...if i click "send error" , "dont send" , or "cancel" it closes the app. How can i troubleshoot whats causing this? I've uninstalled and reinstalled the app too
[05:41] <riverbird> !anyone | wee
[05:42] <alankila> the anonymous memory is not directly shown by top, but you can infer its presence from taking the value in RES column and subtracting the SHR column. At least this amount is anonymous -- not shareable.
[05:42] <Code_Bleu> im wondering if it is 9.10 related.  Cant remember if this started after i upgraded or not
[05:42] <ganymede> alankila, thanks for the advice
[05:42] <wee_> ohh. im sry ityped it some time ago
[05:42] <wee_> hi, i cant get my mic to work. i have tried to oppen up all channels in alsamixer and tried to change my input source with no luck. when i try to start pavumeter --record i just get "connection refused". i can hear my mic through my speakers and i can mute it in the mixer. my sound card is alc889a hd audio. (gigabyte ma790x-ud4 mother board) does anyone know how i can fix my problem ?
[05:44] <riverbird> wee_, do you have other audio programs running? or anything with jack?
[05:44] <AegNuddel> How do I install fonts in Ubuntu?
[05:44] <Crash1hd> losha: Well it completed successfully or at least that is to what I would imagine (I had it reboot) and then I am now running it again but this time I added -fp so its another wait and see :)
[05:44] <Hilikus> damn it, i just wiped out my /home partition because stupid windows offered to format it. i formated it to NTFS. is there any way to try to recover some of the stuff from there or it's a lost cause? the FS was jfs
[05:45] <wee_> i have tryed to exit all programs that uses sound
[05:45] <wee_> still the same
[05:45] <wee_> have been like this for mounths
[05:45] <riverbird> AegNuddel, download and put into /home/.fonts - the .fonts folder is not there natively, you may need to create it
[05:45] <ganymede> AegNuddel, if you want to install them for your user only, copy them into the directory ~/.fonts/ and create it if you need to
[05:46] <AegNuddel> oh okay right now I am the only user
[05:46] <GAARA> nop..
[05:46] <ganymede> AegNuddel, also, some fonts may be available in the repos
[05:46] <wee_> to clearify, my curent soundcard has never worked
[05:46] <AegNuddel> ah
[05:47] <ganymede> riverbird, did you mean to say /home/yourusername/.fonts ?
[05:47] <Crash1hd> Hilikus: unfortunatly once you have formated there is no way to go back its a lost cause (sometimes when you play with windows you get cut) lol
[05:47] <Lostinspace_46> soreau:-) Thanks, I got my windows doing ok.  Now I need to deal with where an icon is placed if, for instance, a thumb-drive is mounted
[05:47] <Dunas> Is there some way to make the stupid notifications disappear when I click on them, or to somehow customize the notification applet at all yet?
[05:47] <Gnarwal> I would like to thank the Ubuntu devs who put the factoids on the bot. It helped me fix my grub2 and a lot of time scanning over documentation!
[05:48] <AegNuddel> I had a folder called fonts...if I renamed it with the dot would it work or do I have to creat a brand new foldser?
[05:48] <AegNuddel> create
[05:48] <ganymede> Hilikus, there are expensive professional services to retrieve your data but it'll probably be upwards of $2000, especially since it's JFS
[05:48] <Crash1hd> Hilikus: of course I am assuming that you dont have backup or you wouldnt be asking
[05:48] <riverbird> ganymede, aren't /home and /myusername the same?
[05:48] <Hilikus> nah, i didn't have anything important anyway. i'm just wondering if there was anything to do
[05:48] <soreau> Lostinspace_46: Your icons are controlled by nautilus, not the window manager. and I don't know enough about nautilus to say if you can tell it where to place it's icon
[05:48] <Dunas> :L
[05:48] <riverbird> AegNuddel, check free fonts http://www.theleagueofmoveabletype.com/
[05:48] <Hilikus> Crash1hd i have backup of every hard drive except this one of course, hehe
[05:49] <Crash1hd> Hilikus: well that would be murphys law lol
[05:49] <riverbird> wee_, can you not play any sound?
[05:49] <soreau> Lostinspace_46: I always disable all icons to make for a cleaner looking desktop and access whatever I need through the places menu or file browser
[05:49] <ganymede> riverbird, type "echo $HOME" in a shell to see your homedir, it's usually /home/yourusername. /home is the folder where all user homedirectories go
[05:49] <Lostinspace_46> soreau:-) Thanks, I will look it over.
[05:49] <alankila> jfs fsck could be worth trying. If the drive was quick-formated, that is.
[05:49] <Hilikus> and i just bought a new one to be able to back this one up, which is exactly why i ended up formating the wrong one, i meant to format the new one
[05:49] <ganymede> riverbird, normal users should not have write access to /home/
[05:49] <starcannon> AegNuddel I believe if you drop it in ~/ and name it .fonts and reboot or reload your font cache(the command escapes me at the moment for font cache, it should work
[05:49] <wee_> riverbird: my outout works, its just my input that dosent work
[05:49] <outer_space> is there anything like source-insight for ubuntu?
[05:50] <Crash1hd> doh
[05:50] <alankila> If there was a proper format, the data is lost and not even the most expensive data recovery firm in the world could recover it. It's common belief that some magnetic residue could be extracted with sensitive instruments, but I doubt that is the case for modern drives.
[05:50] <AegNuddel> is that just in home or under my user name?
[05:50] <riverbird> ganymede, maybe my mistake.  i am a solo user, so home and username ar ethe same folder for me
[05:50] <AegNuddel> lol nm
[05:51] <starcannon> AegNuddel under your username
[05:51] <riverbird> ganymede, please clarify for AegNuddel
[05:51] <Staden> have any of you installed ubuntu on an intel ss4200-e NAS? I'm contemplating doing so myself, and I'd like to know if there are any potential stumbling blocks that I might not be aware of
[05:51] <starcannon> it'd be /home/your_username/.fonts
[05:51] <riverbird> AegNuddel, username/.fonts
[05:51] <AegNuddel> I put "install" after looking at it font viewer
[05:51] <Gnarwal> outer_space, I use Bluefish editor for my css and js
[05:51] <AegNuddel> will see if it is there
[05:51] <Hilikus> Crash1hd do you know what type of partition table does linux need? my new one doesn't have one but i get several types from parted to create
[05:51] <Gnarwal> outer_space, I've heard good things about Geany too
[05:52] <Billiard> Hilikus: you can just use msdos
[05:52] <starcannon> AegNuddel after you do that you'll also need to rebuild font cache...$ sudo fc-cache -f -v
[05:52] <AegNuddel> it shows up fine
[05:52] <AegNuddel> I am on 9.10...
[05:53] <Hilikus> Billiard is that the best one? it sounds old. i do need to share that disk with windows so it has to be a table that windows understand
[05:53] <Kevin`> how can I install ubuntu as a xen guest? the normal netinstall kernel boots but doesn't seem to have the network driver included
[05:53] <yuse> irc dal.net
[05:53] <Billiard> Hilikus: i would just use msdos if windows needs to share it, yes it is old
[05:53] <Hilikus> Billiard ok, thanks a lot
[05:53] <riverbird> wee_, sometimes there are conflicts between players - some use jack or alsa. i have had problems with mic as well
[05:53] <alankila> Hilikus: always use the ms-dos partition table format.
[05:54] <alankila> try to use anything else and you're probably in world of pain
[05:54] <Hilikus> alankila ok, got that. thanks
[05:54] <riverbird> wee_, have you tries the mic alone after a fresh reboot?
[05:54]  * alankila thinks even BIOS cares about the partition table format.
[05:55] <Hilikus> so now that i lost /home is there a way to recreate at least a default setup for home?
[05:55] <Hilikus> so now that i lost /home is there a way to recreate at least a default setup for home?
[05:55] <Oddbio> is there a IRC command to display a list of all users. In IRSSI especially in this channel with so many users, is there a sort of "less" command I can use with it to view all of them?
[05:55] <Kevin`> Hilikus: /etc/skel
[05:55] <wee_> riverbird: i have tryed to reinstall some times, switched to kubuntu. and same thing. i dont know is pavumeter --record is using alsa or not. but that dosent work. i tried mumble and that dosent work in alsa or oss. my output sound works very well
[05:55] <Hilikus> Kevin` what's that?
[05:56] <Kevin`> Hilikus: the files that get stuck in a new /home/user folder
[05:56] <agusj> anybody know how to install pc station
[05:56] <Hilikus> Kevin` so i should create a new /home folder with my user and then copy /etc/skel to it?
[05:57] <Jaikkuli> i don't know a lot about file systems, but i recall the difference between ext2 and ext3 would be the size/number of files stored, one better for lots of little files, one better for a small amount of bigger files, is this correct? and if so, which is better for lots of little files
[05:57] <Billiard> Hilikus: yeah
[05:57] <alankila> Jaikkuli: you must be confusing reiserfs here
[05:57] <Kevin`> Hilikus: be sure to make the folder and the files you copy into it owned by your user
[05:57] <cn28h> Jaikkuli, no, the difference is that ext3 has journaling
[05:57] <Dunas> Is there some way to make the stupid notifications disappear when I click on them, or to somehow customize the notification applet at all yet?
[05:58] <ganymede> Jaikkuli, ext3 also enables journaling, which ext2 lacks. journalling protects your data somewhat from unexpected shutdown
[05:58] <Hilikus> Billiard i'm guessing programs that had settings stored in /home like amarok will just recreate fresh settings right? or will they just fail because they don't find a settings file
[05:58] <Kevin`> Hilikus: chown -R user:user ~user, once your done
[05:58] <riverbird> man that netsplit is annoying ..
[05:58] <Billiard> Hilikus: they will recreate their settings
[05:58] <Hilikus> Kevin` ok
[05:58] <Hilikus> cool
[05:58] <Jaikkuli> ganymede: what's the tradeoff for this protection
[05:58] <Hilikus> thanks a lot guys
[05:58] <Kevin`> someone help me with installing ubuntu in xen?
[05:58] <alankila> ganymede: not data. It mostly exists to avoid fsck after boot. That is its primary function. Otherwise you could argue it's slower than ext2.
[05:59] <Gnarwal> riverbird, esp when you are in the middle of a conversation
[05:59] <ald85> español?
[05:59] <alankila> what it protects is something termed metadata consistency.
[05:59] <riverbird> wee_, from my experience, and i am no expert with sound issues, my guess is that there is an alsa/jack conflict.  once one get loaded, the other wont run and vice-versa
[05:59] <Gnarwal> !es > ald85
[05:59] <riverbird> Gnarwal, no doubt
[06:00] <AegNuddel> lol there
[06:00] <Jaikkuli> alankila: is this slowness significant?
[06:00] <AegNuddel> was not complicated like everything says
[06:00] <wee_> riverbird: okay, how do i set my input to alsa then ?
[06:00] <alankila> Jaikkuli: no. You would be crazy to use ext2 for that reason.
[06:00] <AegNuddel> was not on 9.10 anyway
[06:00] <Jaikkuli> alankila: what is a good reason to use ext2
[06:01] <alankila> well, it has been suggested that if you had a filesystem you would format at every reboot anyway only suitable for throwaway data, you might want to use ext2 for it, as it would be slightly faster.
[06:01] <alankila> but nobody in practice does this, of course.
[06:01] <riverbird> ald85, ##espanol
[06:01] <Oddbio> Can someone tell me what I would have to type into the terminal to run Ubuntu's Software Center?  Thanks
[06:01] <lstarnes> riverbird: #ubuntu-es
[06:01] <Jaikkuli> alankila: i see
[06:02] <Gnarwal> !es
[06:02] <Jaikkuli> thanks for the help guys
[06:02] <Hoppi> Oddbio: I believe "software-center"
[06:02] <riverbird> lstarnes, thx for correction
[06:02] <Hoppi> Oddbio: But I only got that by typing in "soft" and hitting TAB a couple of times to autocomplete it! :)
[06:02] <alankila> at one point people spoke about using ext2 for flash devices, perhaps before wear leveling. The problem with journals was that they keep on writing a lot of stuff on the journal and thus destroy the flash device. But that was before wear leveling was widely used.
[06:02] <Gluon> netsplit?
[06:03] <Oddbio> Hoppi: o.o lol  thanks
[06:03] <Gnarwal> netsplit spam
[06:03] <Jaikkuli> alankila: i see, well i was wanting to boot linux on an sdcard, though i wasnt sure yet, still had to read into it
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[06:04] <alankila> I run linux from an usb stick personally on my laptop. I use ext4 for it.
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[06:04] <pawan> hi
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[06:04] <pawan> not getting sound
[06:04] <Jaikkuli> alankila: i have not heard of ext4, is this better for running on such storage devices like usb sticks and sdcards?
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[06:04] <pawan> external sound card
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[06:05] <alankila> Jaikkuli: it represents an evolution of the ext filesystem series, adding extents and improved journaling that avoids some costly sync operations that plague ext3 performance.
[06:05] <JustMozzy> I am having a big problem. I installed Cairo-Dock but now whenever I restart ciaro dock fails to start and block execution of anything else that should start-up (naming nautilus and gnome-panel which are pretty important) I could not even just restart or do anything because the cairo-dock maintenance window would always open itself over and over again. now I started ubuntu in gnome failsafe mode and tried to play around with the session settings but they
[06:05] <ganymede> hah, that's smart, i never thought of that
[06:05] <ne171pro> cool
[06:05] <alankila> I personally believe ext2 and ext3 are legacy systems now and ext4 is the recommended default filesystem.
[06:05] <roved2101> Oh Pebbles thank you
[06:05] <Hoppi> what is ! ops?
[06:05] <ne171pro> how do i make my font bigger
[06:05] <ganymede> Hoppi, it's used to call a channel op to ban someone who is causing troubel
[06:05] <Hoppi> and also, how do i put something in like, orange alert... status :)
[06:06] <Hoppi> oh awesome :)
[06:06] <AegNuddel> I did not know a file system could just "evolve..." will it eventually develo its own AI? :P
[06:06] <AegNuddel> develop
[06:06] <Hoppi> AegNuddel: ......... yes.
[06:06] <Hoppi> hehehe
[06:06] <ganymede> Hoppi, it causes ubotu to paste a line consisting of the nicknames of the ops, which causes their IRC clients to pop up a notification in case they're in front of their comp
[06:06] <Jaikkuli> alankila: thanks, also one other thing, do you know any pages that will explain how to properly make storage devices bootable?
[06:06] <riverbird> wee_, not sure about that, someone else maybe .. are you using the sound recorder by distro default?
[06:07] <AegNuddel> Either a scary or interesting thought depending on if it develops for or against us
[06:07] <ne171pro> any body interested in a super secret document i found?  Its just a wave file.
[06:07] <alankila> Jaikkuli: no, but what it entails is: 1) bios knows about it; 2) it contains a boot sector that loads a boot loader; 3) some bioses may require that a partition is marked bootable.
[06:07] <IdleOne> ne171pro: no
[06:07] <ne171pro> dude it's crazy
[06:07] <IdleOne> !ot | ne171pro
[06:08] <ne171pro> sorry
[06:08] <Oddbio> I can't seem to run "alsamixer" and I have no sound. This is not the case in GNome, however I like to use the ratpoison window manager instead, but when I use ratpoison I have no sound and running "alsamixer" says:  alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[06:08] <alankila> Jaikkuli: so you basically make a single partition, flag it as bootable, copy a linux install on it and install grub, and then ensure that BIOS boots removeable media first... that's how I do it, anyway.
[06:09] <riverbird> AegNuddel, Hoppi oh geez, are we going to get into friendly ai here? .. ;-)
[06:09] <Hoppi> Oddbio: ... you could try starting the Gnome sound manager thing
[06:09] <Xeon3D> erm.. who called?
[06:10] <wee_> riverbird: im typing from kubuntu atm. so itryed a terminal recorder, but it seems that i dont have any input sound what so ever on my system. same as in ubuntu
[06:10] <alankila> Xeon3D: go back to sleep, someone just pasted the entire names list of the channel.
[06:10] <Hoppi> Oddbio: just to see if it works really :)
[06:10] <IdleOne> Xeon3D: it was a spam bot
[06:11] <Xeon3D> oh
[06:11] <Xeon3D> :)
[06:11] <Xeon3D> I'm a bit sleepy, but fiddling with 10-year old hardware rocks :)
[06:11] <Gnarwal> Xeon3D, false alarm :)
[06:11] <wee_> riverbird: when i look in menus i only find output, cant find anything that says input
[06:11] <Hoppi> owh the Kubuntu room is very quiet ._.
[06:11] <Oddbio> Hoppi: ok, sorry to ask but what would that be?  gnome-sound-manager?
[06:11] <Hoppi> Kubuntu ftw *waves little flag*
[06:11] <Hoppi> heh :)
[06:12] <riverbird> wee_, hmm.  dont thin i can help.  maybe re-ask a new question ..
[06:12] <Hoppi> Oddbio: erm... often you can just guess at some of it and hit TAB
[06:12] <riverbird> wee_, do you have 'sound recorder' in your sound/video?
[06:12] <ald85> i need some help the adobe flash player settings wont work no matter what i do, when i wanna broadcast my webcam in a webchat i just cant click the allow button
[06:12] <wee_> riverbird: no
[06:12] <isolat3dsh33p> ald85: try unabling compiz-fusion
[06:12] <alankila> ald85: you have 64-bit linux. Uninstall the flashplayer and get adobe's 64-bit alpha player
[06:13] <ald85> is there any command for that??
[06:13] <JustMozzy> can anyone help me? why does is the session not saved when I use the session manager in gnome failsafe mode? I need to have it saved so I can normally use my ubuntu in the default mode :s
[06:13] <riverbird> wee_, it's usually in ubuntu.  check to add/remove apps?
[06:13] <ald85> or where can i get it?
[06:13] <rojoloco47> hello
[06:13] <wee_> riverbird: i just installed pulseaudio manager. and that just list output under devices
[06:13] <rojoloco47> I need a little help with BIOS if some one can help me :)
[06:13] <Giertrud> oops had to reboot because of error 13
[06:14] <jonrob287> is there a software that u talk into the microphone and it types it out?
[06:14] <alankila> I appreciate the fact that ubuntu people (and world in general) reminds us all that 64-bit computing still sucks.
[06:14] <Hoppi> Oddbio: Problem is it's probably something to doo with the fact that Gnome sound's system isn't kicking in
[06:14] <Giertrud> held a key too long and my cursor was stuck on the file move thing
[06:14] <riverbird> wee_, does pulseaudio run jack/alsa?
[06:14] <Billiard> jonrob287: yes, but it doesnt work well
[06:14] <jonrob287> why not?
[06:14] <Hoppi> Oddbio: I mean you CAN run ALSA without it of course, and PulseAudio I would imagine, but I'm not so sure how, that's why I just sit here with KDE and Phonon sound system :)
[06:14] <widget> guys, i installed gSynaptics, but it didnt give me a touchpad Tab in the mouse settings
[06:14] <Billiard> jonrob287: because its still in development
[06:15] <riverbird> wee_, i don't use pulse, so no experience.  what is it you are trying to do with the mic input?
[06:15] <Giertrud> I wanted to know why no MIDI composers seem to work
[06:15] <ald85> whats the command for uninstalling flash??
[06:15] <Jaikkuli> can someone tell me what the raw ubuntu 9.1 size would be once installed?
[06:15] <ShazbotMcNasty> ald85, sudo apt-get purge flash-plugin
[06:15] <Hoppi> ald85: depends what flash plugin you have
[06:15] <rojoloco47> i have a netbook Acer Aspire One ZG5 and its screen is black and donot show anything on it ,I searched for the problem and other who have this problem is because of BIOS ,i have to update BIOS can some body help me in this ? :)
[06:15] <wee_> riverbird: im trying to make it work, so i can use it in mumble
[06:15] <jonrob287> thnx billiard
[06:16] <wee_> riverbird: how do i check if it runs jack/alsa ?
[06:16] <ald85> is there any command for installing the adobe 64 bit alpha player?
[06:16] <Jaikkuli> can someone tell me what the raw ubuntu 9.1 size would be once installed?
[06:16] <Hoppi> ald85: fire up synaptic for me :)
[06:16] <riverbird> Hoppi, pls check my chat w/ wee_ .  trying to figure out no mic/ sound input?
[06:16] <alankila> ald85: no, you fetch the .tar.gz from adobe and drop it into .mozilla/plugins at your home dir
[06:16] <rojoloco47> Please help or guide me from where I can get help ?
[06:16] <Oddbio> Hoppi: well I'm sure your advice was correct, because I wasn't getting wireless in ratpoison either until I added nm-applet (the gnome wireless applet) to startup
[06:16] <Dunas> Is there some way to make the stupid notifications disappear when I click on them, or to somehow customize the notification applet at all yet?
[06:16] <rojoloco47> #remote-exploit
[06:17] <Oddbio> Hoppi: I just have to figure out the correct command to run, thanks anyway
[06:17] <Hoppi> Oddbio: why do you want to use Ratpoison anyway? heh :)
[06:17] <widget> anyone know nwat im doing wrong ?
[06:17] <riverbird> Hoppi, maybe you know something about pulse and mumble?
[06:17] <Oddbio> Hoppi: i dunno, I just like it's simplicity
[06:17] <Hoppi> riverbird: I dunno, all I know is I have a lot of luck in KDE, that's why I use it
[06:17] <Hoppi> well, one of the reasons :)
[06:17] <riverbird> ok.
[06:18] <isolat3dsh33p> Dunas: The notigication is unclickable. If you click it, it will pass through to the window behind it
[06:18] <Billiard> rojoloco47: nothing appears on the screen when you turn it on, not even bios splash?
[06:18] <rojoloco47> yes @ Billiard
[06:18] <Hilikus> what's the recommended FS for /home?
[06:18] <Billiard> rojoloco47: sounds broken, use warranty
[06:18] <wee_> riverbird: where can i check if alc889a hd audio is supported
[06:18] <Billiard> Hilikus: ext3 or ext4
[06:18] <rojoloco47> nothing appeared
[06:19] <kenjy> guys can you help me? I have a intel 82801H sound card, the issue its that it just can play one sound at a time, I have ubuntu 9.10
[06:19] <riverbird> wee_,  maybe the forums?  also, are you running KDE?
[06:19] <ved> hey guys which of gnome n kde is better according to u?
[06:19] <Billiard> rojoloco47: still under warranty?
[06:19] <jonrob287> billiard what is the software called
[06:19] <rojoloco47> I have searched the google and all those who have this problem finds for solution and acer says its solution is to update BIOS @ Billiard
[06:19] <isolat3dsh33p> ved: You just have to try both
[06:19] <wee_> riverbird: yes im running kubuntu now. after trying ubuntu reinstalls a copple of times
[06:20] <Hoppi> wee_: I use basically the same sound hardware I think!
[06:20] <Hilikus> Billiard do you know of a recent comparison between ext4 and jfs or xfs?
[06:20] <Hoppi> wee_: onboard yeah?
[06:20] <excalibas> Hello, I just upgraded to karmic and there is something wrong with my codecs, all videos I see have switched colours (like blue ppl) in the movie player and in vlc. on mplayer ther look ok
[06:20] <rojoloco47> yeah its under warranty but I want to fix it as soon as possible @ Billiard ,I have exams going on and the resource data is in that hDD
[06:20] <wee_> hoppi: yes
[06:20] <ved> i tried kubuntu.. but something happened after updating it n i could login only to command line
[06:20] <Hoppi> wee_: ah, you are having problems with Phonon?
[06:20] <ShazbotMcNasty> rojoloco47, query window
[06:20] <riverbird> wee_, Hoppi i'm not on kubuntu.  you may have better luck ..
[06:20] <Billiard> rojoloco47: if you dont even get the bios splash screen, i would use the warranty
[06:20] <Hoppi> wee_: Phonon is the KDE sound system thingy ma jig :)
[06:21] <Hoppi> wee_: as long as your sound is enabled in BIOS, it should pick it up and be automatically set up, then all you need to do is a quick tweak/check in Multimedia and you should be away
[06:21] <riverbird> !phonon
[06:21] <wee_> hoppi: ahh, im using kubuntu now. yes =) it seems that i have no input sound what so ever. but i can hear my mic through my speakers.. and i can mute it. put i cant find any input stuff on the system
[06:22] <ShazbotMcNasty> !hi
[06:22] <Hoppi> wee_: uno momento :)
[06:22] <ved> try uninstalling pulseaudio... that worked for me
[06:22] <Billiard> Hilikus: i dont know of a comparison, i would use ext3, some people have experienced data loss with ext4
[06:22] <Hoppi> wee_: System Settings > Multimedia ... what are your sound devices?
[06:22] <Hoppi> nooo don't uninstall Pulse!
[06:22] <Hoppi> I like Pulse! ^_^
[06:22] <intel> hello there in the Xchat
[06:22] <riverbird> Hoppi, thx.
[06:23] <zenlunatic> intel, what it be like
[06:23]  * alankila recommends avoiding both jfs and xfs. jfs because of bad personal experience with high fragmentation of files, and xfs because it's so slow with file deletion and metadata in general.
[06:23] <intel> I a m new to Ubuntu so please someone guide me
[06:23] <wee_> hoppi: audio output and audio capture
[06:23] <Om3Ddragon> pulse sucks for me I use alsa better
[06:23] <ShazbotMcNasty> intel, what are you having problems with?
[06:24] <Hoppi> wee_: Oh, nothing that indicates drivers?
[06:24] <Hoppi> wee_: I have HDA Intel (ALC880 Analog)
[06:24] <wee_> hoppi: hda ati sb (alc889a digitl)
[06:24] <intel> well I am really new to this environment so I am wanting to play .Dat video file how do I play it in Ubuntu
[06:24] <intel> it is ubuntu 9.04
[06:24] <Hoppi> wee_:  that's your one :)
[06:25] <zenlunatic> intel, never heard of that file type
[06:25] <ShazbotMcNasty> I've never used a .dat file before
[06:25] <Xeon3D> intel, rename it to .mpg
[06:25] <Hoppi> wee_: ok erm, all I did was bung PulseAudio to the top of both categories and all the subcategories
[06:25] <ShazbotMcNasty> you can try that...
[06:25] <intel> how to that
[06:25] <Hoppi> wee_: And it's worked like a dream ever since :)
[06:25] <Xeon3D> zenlunatic: .dat files are from VCD times.
[06:25] <Hoppi> wee_: With my Sound Blaster and my onboard :)
[06:25] <ShazbotMcNasty> right click, click 'rename' and type .mpg at the end
[06:25] <dooglus> my cat walked over the keyboard while I was typing in pidgin
[06:25] <wee_> hoppi: your mic starts working ? ?=
[06:25] <dooglus> now I've lost the text cursor in one conversation tab
[06:26] <dooglus> I can type, but can't use the left key to move back over the text
[06:26] <dooglus> how can I get it back?
[06:26] <intel> ok I am trying it
[06:26] <Hoppi> wee_: Ah well I don't use mics, but all my speaker sound and program sounds, never an issue :)
[06:27] <alankila> dooglus: hmm... perhaps you are victim of SCIM... last time I hit that beast something like ctrl+space fixed it
[06:27] <wee_> hoppi: i dont have pulse audio under audio capture
[06:27] <alankila> but I'm not sure, I always uninstall that thing out of pure horror
[06:27] <dooglus> alankila: thanks
[06:27] <Hoppi> wee_: There is Playback/Recording with Pulse
[06:27] <intel> ok I am trying it can we network with XP when we are in ubuntu environment
[06:27] <dooglus> alankila: ctrl+spc didn't fix it
[06:27] <Hoppi> wee_: I just stuck that at the top
[06:27] <alankila> ok. Try alt+space as well, and some other modifiers just in case they changed that.
[06:28] <dooglus> alankila: alt+spc pops up a menu
[06:28] <nic3> dooglus: is ctrol+space supposed to open new tab?
[06:28] <alankila> Hmm. I wonder what menu.
[06:28] <dooglus> nic3: in pidgin?
[06:28] <wee_> hoppi: i cant see any playback/recording with pulse
[06:28] <alankila> oh. Window menu. Right.
[06:28] <nic3> in opera
[06:28] <alankila> I'm sorry, I do not know how to fix the problem. I only suspect SCIM because I remember how it used to turn text input impossible when you hit the scim activating combo
[06:29] <alankila> and when it used to be ctrl+space, that was like all the time
[06:29] <Hoppi> wee_: hmm odd
[06:29] <Hoppi> wee_: maybe that's the problem
[06:29] <intel> Shazb...... Can we get networked with xp when we are in Ubuntu
[06:29] <dooglus> nic3: I don't use opera
[06:29] <Hoppi> wee_: does normal sound work if you do the pulse trick though?
[06:29] <airtonix> !who alankila
[06:29] <wee_> hoppi: guess so. i have show advanced devices too
[06:29] <airtonix> !who | alankila
[06:30] <wee_> hoppi: give me 10sec and i will check
[06:30] <Hoppi> wee_: People always say to avoid Pulse like the plague, but yeah so long as I'm on KDE Pulse has given me an easy ride :)
[06:30] <dddemon> Anyone one know of a good irc room for support with php programming questions
[06:30] <cn28h> dddemon, #php?
[06:30] <intel> wee.......... Can we get networked with xp when we are working in Ubuntu or alt
[06:30] <dooglus> alankila: I would have missed what you said if airtonix hadn't mentioned the !who think.  if you put dooglus at the start, the line goes yellow for me and I notice it
[06:31] <Billiard> intel: you want to access windows file shares?
[06:31] <intel> yup
[06:31] <airtonix> alankila, dooglus tab completion in xchat
[06:31] <Billiard> intel: yes you can
[06:31] <intel> how
[06:31] <airtonix> intel, yes you can : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpSamba
[06:31] <dddemon> cn28h everytime I try to get into that room it puts me in a overflow room
[06:32] <ShazbotMcNasty> intel, if you're trying to talk to someone, but don't want to type their whole name, if you're using xchat, type part of the name, then press TAB - and it will autocomplete the name
[06:32] <cn28h> dddemon, just worked fine for me
[06:32] <Billiard> intel: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpSamba#Browsing%20SMB%20shares
[06:33] <wee_> hoppi: no luck there. no output sound now
[06:33] <cn28h> dddemon, perhaps you need to identify with services?
[06:33] <airtonix> intel, this might also be helpful for you to understand the process : http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4813148932443670673#
[06:33] <intel> Billiard, How to get it controlled
[06:34] <Billiard> intel: how to get what controlled?
[06:34] <outer_space> is there something in ubuntu that has a split window and goes to function definition text when you put the cursor on a function?
[06:34] <dddemon> maybe I did do regserv nick identify
[06:34] <intel> I mean how to start sharing
[06:34] <airtonix> outer_space, you mean a class browser for code editors ?
[06:34] <Billiard> intel: after installing samba, you should be able to right click a directory, and choose share
[06:35] <outer_space> no classes in c
[06:35] <spvensko_> hi, what's the ls option to view file contents in "human" measures? ie Mb, Gb, etc.
[06:35] <Hoppi> wee_: that is strange ._.I mean maybe you could follow their advice and ditch Pulse, but twould be a shame as it must have SOME advantages! hehe :)
[06:35] <outer_space> i have source-insight at work i want something like that at home
[06:35] <alankila> spvensko_: man ls? ls -lh probably.
[06:35] <wee_> hoppi: just got a notice sound from irc =)
[06:35] <spvensko_> alankila, i'm using a distro that doesn't provide the man pages by default :(
[06:35] <speme> which memory use data is right? I have some trouble with the system monitor told me used 449MB ram, but the 'free' command told me I use 931MB ram.
[06:35] <airtonix> outer_space, i dont know source-insight, but gedit has a plugin for class browsing on current file : geany also has one, and aptana also does it
[06:36] <spvensko_> sorry, i just find the ubuntu chat to be a good resource for info
[06:36] <Hoppi> wee_: hooray!
[06:36] <alankila> spvensko_: uninstall it, it must be horribly broken.
[06:36] <Hoppi> wee_: hehe
[06:36] <Om3Ddragon> Hoppi: alsa is way better for linux anyways pulse is windows
[06:36] <wee_> hoppi: hehe =)
[06:36] <spvensko_> alankila, it's not ubuntu, it's not supposed to come with man pages :(
[06:36] <spvensko_> *:)
[06:36] <Hoppi> Om3Ddragon: PulseAudio isn't windows...
[06:36] <airtonix> spvensko_, this is a ubuntu support channel
[06:36] <spvensko_> i realize but where else are you going to find 1272 linux users in one spot?
[06:37] <wee_> hoppi: but it seems that i only ger sound in quassel irc now
[06:37] <Hoppi> wee_: hehehe :)  that truly is odd!
[06:37] <outer_space> so i should install gedit-plugins?
[06:37] <airtonix> spvensko_, you can also use this incredibly simple set of keywords to search google for man pages : man <insert command name here>
[06:37] <alankila> speme: the answer is complicated, thus there is no one right answer. I suggest using the 2nd line in free as your guide, the value i free column
[06:37] <wee_> hoppi: can u try to whisper me again. i started up pulse audio again
[06:37] <Hoppi> wee_: if it were me I'd give KDE a restart sometime
[06:37] <Hoppi> wee_: can't hurt if it's settings have been changed
[06:38] <airtonix> spvensko_, http://www.google.com.au/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=man+ls
[06:38] <spvensko_> good point, i'll try that next tiem :) ty
[06:38] <wee_> hoppi: okay i will restart and be back and give a feedback =)
[06:38] <outer_space> i installed gedit-plugins, what are they supposed to do?
[06:38] <Hoppi> wee_: okie dokie -  KDE 4 is worth it ^_^
[06:38] <speme> alankila: thanks
[06:38] <riverbird> Hoppi, wee_ any proprietary drivers involved all this?
[06:38] <wee_> hoppi: idd =)
[06:39] <airtonix> outer_space, the class browser isn't in the repo. you need to download it from the gnome site
[06:39] <Hoppi> riverbird: I assume he's using the standard drivers like I am
[06:39] <airtonix> outer_space, http://live.gnome.org/Gedit/Plugins
[06:39] <wee_> riverbird: dont know. i only use the nvidia driver and restricted extras
[06:39] <alankila> speme: one way to view the value in the 2nd row of "free" output is that it is the amount of memory linux could easily free if it wanted to. However, it's a fact that if it did so, all applications would probably grind to halt
[06:39] <airtonix> outer_space, http://www.stambouliote.de/projects/gedit_plugins.html
[06:40] <outer_space> source-insight is a lot simpler than a class browser
[06:40] <riverbird> wee_, you have enables all the odd hardware?  you using 9.10?
[06:40] <outer_space> split-pane, curser in function = function def in split pane
[06:40] <wee_> riverbird: i will restart and see if what hoppi told me will work =)  im using the newest 9.10 kubuntu yes
[06:40] <riverbird> i have heard many issues w/ nvidia on 9.10 ..
[06:40] <airtonix> outer_space, well since you haven't provided either a screenshot or a page describing it i'm only assuming
[06:40] <riverbird> wee fyi.  check forums for more
[06:41] <outer_space> works with macro defs, typedefs, and var declarations
[06:41] <wee_> riverbird: nividia gpu. and sound issues ?
[06:41] <Om3Ddragon> Hoppi: PulseAudio runs under Microsoft Windows and POSIX-compliant systems like Linux. PulseAudio is free software released under the terms of the GNU Lesser General Public License (for the software library portion) and the GNU General Public License (for the sound server itself).
[06:41] <aegnuddel> a-sleeping I will go...
[06:42] <Hoppi> Om3Ddragon: ok
[06:42] <aegnuddel> bye
[06:42]  * alankila thinks it's a lie that pulseaudio runs under win32. The only build of that ever seems to be from 2007. No pulseaudio clients exist, and only one half-working ESD thingy is there.
[06:42] <airtonix> outer_space, i'm pretty sure that this image shows what you are describing : http://www.stambouliote.de/projects/img/gedit-classbrowser-070122.png
[06:42] <riverbird> wee_, no.  maybe the graphics card
[06:43] <airtonix> outer_space, good luck experimenting with all the text editors in the repositories and / or the gedit plugins at http://live.gnome.org/Gedit/Plugins
[06:44] <ald85> i installed the 64 bit flash and still not working
[06:44] <ald85> heeeeeeelp
[06:44] <Billiard> ald85: how did you install it?
[06:45] <kinja-sheep> ald85: How did you install Flash64?
[06:45] <ald85> uninstalled old flash
[06:45] <ald85> closed firefox
[06:45] <kinja-sheep> Billiard: Oh... I didn't see you. >_>
[06:45] <ald85> extracted the file
[06:45] <EastDallas> ald85: not working at all?
[06:45] <Billiard> ald85: keep it on one line
[06:45] <intel> Thank you Friends...... I got it
[06:45] <ald85> installed it and autocopied the files to the firefox folders
[06:45] <Om3Ddragon> ald85: flash media player or what flast are you talking about
[06:45] <airtonix> !enter | ald85
[06:46] <Billiard> ald85: does flash work at all now?
[06:46] <skitzo> hi guys just installed ubuntu and am loving it so far just a bit hard to wrap my head around at first is it okay if i get a little help on a couple things?
[06:46] <Jaikkuli> what is a recommended swap partition size?
[06:46] <kinja-sheep> skitzo: Sure. Welcome! Ask away!
[06:46] <ald85> ok ok sorry, yes it works for youtube but when i go to a site where i can use mic or camera it doesnt work
[06:46] <wee> hoppi: hmms, now its realy screwed up =) no sound what so ever
[06:46] <Billiard> ald85: did you try disabling compiz?
[06:47] <ald85> dont even know whats that
[06:47] <Billiard> ald85: the special effects
[06:47] <excalibas> please help, I upgraded to karmic and now when I play movies the colours are changed
[06:47] <ald85> and how can i do that?
[06:47] <skitzo> first off the most important thing i would like to do first is hide my windows 7 partition so it cant be messed with in anyway
[06:48] <EastDallas> ald85: go to System>Preferences>appearance>Visual Effects tab> choose none
[06:48] <Billiard> ald85: the problem is that you cant click on the flash settings box?
[06:48] <ald85> yes billiard
[06:48] <Hoppi> wee: for one thing, the kubuntu channel may be a better place to ask for help.. also I guess last resort is removing Pulse, or hunting down better drivers but I think you already have the right ones
[06:48] <alankila> ald85: and this is the problem that I saw when 64-bit firefox was embedding 32-bit flash through nspluginwrapper.
[06:49] <alankila> hence my suggestion to drop the 32-bit flash monster that stupid ubuntu people forced on us and instead get the working 64-bit alpha flash.
[06:49] <Om3Ddragon> ald85: try to install ubuntu restricted extras everything work for me
[06:49] <ald85> ive installed the restricted extras
[06:50] <skitzo> anybody :)
[06:50] <alankila> skitzo: err... comment out the line in fstab that mounts it?
[06:50] <airtonix> excalibas, provide : ubuntu version, media player being used
[06:50] <wee> hoppi: gees, kde freeks me out some times. it seems that things pops up in the menus rigth and left some times. i got some new pulse audio tools now. i will try them out some. thx for your help =)
[06:50] <ald85> ok i disabled the visual effects and still not working
[06:50] <airtonix> excalibas, gnome or kde ?
[06:51] <Om3Ddragon> 64 flash is just better then anything now
[06:51] <EastDallas> skitzo: do you have Ubuntu installed on a separate partition, or in a virtual partition?
[06:51] <alankila> ald85: are you sure you did manage to install the 64-bit flash? Did you really cause the browser to restart? Maybe you had some window or downloads screen still open.
[06:51] <skitzo> seperate
[06:51] <excalibas> airtonix, ubuntu 9.10 , totem, gnome
[06:51] <indus> Om3Ddragon: have you tried the latest 64 bit , dec 9 release
[06:51] <skitzo> separate
[06:51] <ald85> no i closed everything
[06:52] <rojoloco47> Hey how does a Ubuntu server work ? is it only the black screen with some white text ?
[06:52] <indus> rojoloco47: yes
[06:52] <excalibas> airtonix, I have just upgraded, before it was ok
[06:52] <indus> rojoloco47: but you can install a gui
[06:52] <airtonix> excalibas, inside totem , goto the edit menu > preferences
[06:52] <alankila> ald85: ok. Weird. The nonresponsive UI problem went away when I dropped the 32-bit flash for me. But before I did nothing ever worked, I couldn't click on any flash ui elements.
[06:52] <rojoloco47> how can I install a gui in that @ indus
[06:52] <Oddbio> Is there any command like "startx" that can be used to 'stop x'? ctrl-alt-backspace doesn't work. Also "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop" won't work as I am not using GDM, I do "startx" from the terminal to bring up my window manager
[06:52] <EastDallas> you just need to do like alankila said and comment out the lines in fstab.  Do you know what he means?
[06:52] <indus> rojoloco47: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg
[06:53] <airtonix> excalibas, display tab > move the hue slider around. (down the bottom)
[06:53] <indus> !server
[06:53] <damian> anyone knows maybe how to stop ubuntu karmic asking for password to access ntfs drives?
[06:53] <rojoloco47> I had ubuntu server 9.10 installed on this system but there was nothing I could do so I just formatted it again
[06:53] <Billiard> damian: add an entry to your fstab for the partition
[06:53] <indus> rojoloco47: why did you install it?
[06:53] <rojoloco47> Ok thanks a lot ,I will try it now :) @ indus
[06:53] <kinja-sheep> !dontzap | Oddbio
[06:53] <rojoloco47> I like to experience new things
[06:53] <riverbird> Jaikkuli, used to be 2x memory, but now 256k-2gb is fine
[06:53] <kinja-sheep> Oddbio: See if that does the trick for you.
[06:53] <rojoloco47> @ indus
[06:54] <excalibas> airtonix, it was at the bottom, but in the middle the color is fine, thanks a lot, I would never go there
[06:54] <indus> rojoloco47: server installs are meant to be without gui ,gui add extra security and stability/speed issues
[06:54] <Jaikkuli> riverbird: thanks
[06:54] <damian> thanks Billiard, i google from there on :)
[06:54] <airtonix> excalibas, it just needs to be moved to get totem to listen to your preferences again after an update is all
[06:54] <indus> rojoloco47: ok if you want a gui fine, but you wont have any applications running on it
[06:54] <Jaikkuli> riverbird: why doesn't windows require swap partitions?
[06:54] <alankila> Jaikkuli: it grows a swap file dynamically.
[06:54] <indus> rojoloco47: ubuntu-desktop is the package you will need probably
[06:54] <airtonix> Jaikkuli, it does, but it uses a swap file
[06:55] <alankila> Linux doesn't need swap partitions either, really. Dynamic swap files exist also for linux. It's just not customary to use them.
[06:55] <Oddbio> kinja-sheep: thank you, that's exactly what I need
[06:55] <rojoloco47> can we setup DHCP, Active Director, DNS and WINS etc on Server or Desktop ? @ indus
[06:55] <indus> rojoloco47: please read the link
[06:55] <Jaikkuli> alankila: ah alright :) thanks
[06:55] <indus> rojoloco47: yes sure
[06:55] <kinja-sheep> Oddbio: You're welcome. :)
[06:55] <indus> !server | rojoloco47
[06:55] <airtonix> Jaikkuli, http://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/8208-all-about-linux-swap-space
[06:55] <alankila> Jaikkuli: of course, I no longer use any swap files or partitions. All I do is enable ramzswap because it works just fine to extend RAM and makes recovery from memory hogs much faster than with disk-based swap
[06:55] <riverbird> wee, good luck
[06:55] <rojoloco47> Ok I check it now thanks @ indus
[06:56] <excalibas> airtonix, that was cool
[06:56] <ManDay> Why does network manager keep asking me to unlock the Keyring for it???
[06:56] <rojoloco47> Can I ask one common question here ,about this linux thing ?
[06:56] <sri_> how to check which ports are open in my system??? any command??
[06:56] <alankila> Jaikkuli: I especially shake head at people who make something like 10 GB swap partitions. Doing something like that only means that linux will trash a long, long time before it finally recovers from a memory hog.
[06:56] <airtonix> ManDay, because it is a system wide setting
[06:56] <ManDay> Everytime I return from hibernation and it tries to reconnect
[06:56] <Jaikkuli> can xp be told to acknowledge swap partitions?
[06:56] <i_is_broke> alankila, and how much ram do  you have installed(safe to say not to use swap)?
[06:56] <airtonix> Jaikkuli, no
[06:56] <Billiard> Jaikkuli: what would you do with it?
[06:56] <alankila> i_is_broke: I have 2 GB on the system.
[06:56] <ManDay> airtonix, it should remember the authorization tho, airtonix
[06:57] <rojoloco47> I want to know what OS i should learn ,for my better future JOB ?
[06:57] <i_is_broke> alankila, thank you thats what im getting ready to order
[06:57] <chrispitzer> is there any way I can tell which application is sending data out over my network?
[06:57] <Jaikkuli> Billiard: ... swap? :)
[06:57] <alankila> i_is_broke: but I have experimented ramzswap for 1 GB, where it also works quite well, and I have a very weak system with only 128 MB which needs some 64 MB compcache + 64 MB real swap to run lxde comfortably.
[06:57] <airtonix> ManDay, why ?
[06:57] <kinja-sheep> rojoloco47: You're new and does not have any experiences with linux. Start with Ubuntu or Fedora.
[06:57] <Jaikkuli> alankila: 10 gig, damn that's overkill
[06:57] <chrispitzer> ie - I think duplicity is doing a backup in the background - and I have 100kBps going out, but I'm not sure that duplicity is sending the data...
[06:58] <indus> rojoloco47: ubuntu is good, but later move to redhat and do some certificate the RHCE
[06:58] <kinja-sheep> chrispitzer: nethogs.
[06:58] <indus> !CERTIFICATION
[06:58] <ManDay> Because it's annoying! Does your network manager ask you for a password for the d/k/r every time you connect to your WLAN? airtonix
[06:58] <alankila> i_is_broke: how much RAM you want/need is a matter of more than what I say. If 4 GB is cheap, by all means buy 4 GB. But I have found that 2 GB suffices well for all my tasks, involving java development that is traditionally very memory hungry activity.
[06:58] <ManDay> because mine at least did use to
[06:58] <i_is_broke> alankila, thats what im running now is lxde and i have 1280 meg of ram and i never get below 400 meg of ram and never touch the swap.
[06:58] <riverbird> Jaikkuli, ?? don't use it.
[06:58] <airtonix> ManDay, i don't use wireless networking out of concern for security and quality of network connection
[06:58] <rojoloco47> I am trying to understand ubuntu for last 3 months ,then I tried backtrack4 suse linux enterprise 11 and now I have redhat 5 enterprise with ubuntu 9.10
[06:58] <Jaikkuli> riverbird: dont use what?
[06:59] <kinja-sheep> ManDay: It ask you for the key because you use AutoLogin.
[06:59] <indus> airtonix: wireless is secure as you want it to be
[06:59] <ManDay> airtonix, I do, because its indepensable
[06:59] <airtonix> indus, no
[06:59] <rojoloco47> Will fedora 12 help me to learn redhat ?
[06:59] <ManDay> kinja-sheep, can you elaborate that?
[06:59] <indus> if its not, the wi- fi group would like to hear from you
[06:59] <alankila> i_is_broke: yes... I'd say that > 1 GB you can pretty safely rely solely on ramzswap... Put another way, the system is pretty useless anyway if it starts to swap on disk. Ramzswap works the better the more memory you have.
[07:00] <riverbird> Jaikkuli, don't use windows ..  the kernel uses swap - no kernel in windows
[07:00] <kinja-sheep> ManDay: When you boot up, do you type in user/password at GDM?
[07:00] <i_is_broke> alankila, is that ramzswap something in the repos or do i have to manually install it?
[07:00] <ManDay> kinja-sheep, yes
[07:01] <Om3Ddragon> who wanna try the the new alpha 1 for ubuntu or installed tell me how is it to try I t
[07:01] <alankila> i_is_broke: it is installed but configured at 0 % usage (disabled). Enabling it is usually done by modifying /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf and setting some value to COMPCACHE_SIZE
[07:01] <Jaikkuli> riverbird: you're telling me not to use windows?
[07:01] <alankila> I use "50 %" as the value. Then you need to rebuilt the initramfs images... was it update-initramfs -u -k all
[07:01] <kinja-sheep> ManDay: http://lifehacker.com/software/ubuntu/stop-nm+applet-from-authenticating-with-the-keyring-276986.php
[07:01] <i_is_broke> Om3Ddragon, depends on hardware right now if it will work or not..best bet is not to put it on a production box unless you vm it.
[07:01] <miles95> join/#rsbot
[07:01] <kinja-sheep> ManDay: It is from 2007. I don't know if that still work. :X
[07:02]  * alankila 's phone also runs with compcache
[07:02] <indus> airtonix: use the wpa2
[07:02] <indus> but iam no expert so ill give you benefit of doubt
[07:02] <ManDay> kinja-sheep, the weird thing is that it only happens in a few cases. not everytime i boot/login
[07:02] <zero-1> Hi, everyone
[07:02] <i_is_broke> Om3Ddragon, but that is offtopic in this channel please see ubuntu+1 ty
[07:03] <zero-1> how can I get gecko-sharp on my ubuntu box?
[07:03] <ManDay> airtonix, to my knowledge there is no way of cracking WPA2 yet, besides you can always add another layer of encryption, if you deem it unsafe
[07:03] <zero-1> I need it for a mono app that I'm working on
[07:03] <riverbird> Jaikkuli, no. no .  i am saying that I do not use windows
[07:03] <kinja-sheep> ManDay: Gotcha. I'm trying this for my laptop.  Also, it is common practice to prevent any authorization tasks --- including editing date/time. Wireless = Network. Prevent guys from messing around with network settings.
[07:03] <alankila> zero-1: a wild guess: libmono-webbrowser0.5-cil ?
[07:04] <alankila> zero-1: if that's not it, then sorry for wasting your time, couldn't find anything more suitable
[07:04] <Optimus55> how do i update firefox to the latest version in karmic?
[07:04] <ald85> how can i restore ubuntu from the original settings
[07:04] <i_is_broke> alankila, thank you for the info..
[07:05] <zero-1> alakila nope that's not it I have it installed yet I cant find gecko-sharp dll and its no listed :( that package used to be named gecko-sharp, now I cant find it :(
[07:05] <ald85> sorry restore ubuntu to the original settings i ment
[07:05] <isolat3dsh33p> Optimus55: Download the latest version from Fx website
[07:05] <alankila> i_is_broke: I have found with testing on my very weak 128 MB system that 50 % compcache seems to give the best results. Incidentally, that is also the default setting for my phone independently arrived at by some other folks.
[07:05] <riverbird> alankila, re:swap.  i thought the kernel relied on swap.  what's this ramzwap??
[07:06] <Billiard> ald85: if you want to restore all your user settings, they are stored in your home directory in hidden subdirectories/files, just move them somewhere else