[12:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #92083 in blueprint "No obvious way of listing a project's past meetings" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92083
[12:56] <jam> Greetings
[12:57] <jam> Did the Launchpad XMLRPC api change recently?
[12:57] <jam> It seems the 'bzr register-branch" function is broken.
[12:57] <jam> I seem to be getting: ForbiddenAttribute: ('publishTraverse' when trying to register a branch.
[01:03] <Kmos> OOPS-438BA1
[01:08] <mpt> spiv, do you know the answer to jam's question?
[01:09] <jam> I just filed bug 92097 about it
[01:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 92097 in launchpad-bazaar "Failure to 'bzr register-branch'" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92097
[01:09] <jam> which includes a traceback
[01:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #92097 in launchpad-bazaar "Failure to 'bzr register-branch'" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92097
[01:15] <jam> poolie was able to confirm that 'register-branch' failed for him.
[01:17] <poolie> i thought someone added a lp test that called the rpc in the same way bzr does
[01:17] <poolie> however, perhaps it was not realistic wrt authentication
[01:17] <spiv> mpt: no, I dont'
[01:22] <jam> poolie, It wouldn't be possible to have a 'junk' user register 'junk' branches?
[01:33] <poolie> jam?
[01:33] <poolie> do you mean to register unowned branches without authenticating?
[02:16] <ddaa> good night guys
[02:18] <beuno> ddaa: g'night
[02:49] <jam> poolie, no, I mean that the test suite needs to have some authentication tests anyway, so why not use whatever "trash/junk/test/whatever" user that it already needs.
[02:52] <poolie> it was just a random guess for why they haven't caught it
[02:52] <poolie> but the most likely answer may be that it's just not tested
[03:14] <indylarry> Can someone tell me how to change the address my Launhpad related mail goes to.  I can see to find a place to change it.
[03:15] <lifeless> changeyour primary mail in launchpad
[03:17] <indylarry> Yes.  I click on my screen name and it shows my mail in a box, but it is not editable.
[03:17] <indylarry> I am logged in.
[03:17] <lifeless> you need to add a new address
[03:17] <lifeless> then you choose between them
[03:19] <beuno> lifeless: not very user-friendly if you think about it  :D
[03:20] <indylarry> Yeah.  I thought that was what I was going to have to do.  Thanks.
[04:17] <cprov> stub: ping
[04:25] <cprov> stub: well, it's too late, I'm going to bed. I hope you can perform the DBA request with the proper table name (binarypackagefile).
[04:26] <cprov> good night !
[04:26] <stub> cprov: ok
[04:26] <cprov-ZzZ> stub: ahh, great
[04:26] <cprov-ZzZ> if you are doing it now I'm going to wait and test
[04:28] <stub> cprov-ZzZ: I can't delete the binarypackagename rows - they are still referenced elsewhere
[04:29] <stub> I don't think there is any problem with leaving them, unless this indicates the ids are wrong in any of the queries?
[04:29] <cprov-ZzZ> stub: this is weird, because the only binaries that use those names are not published
[04:30] <cprov-ZzZ> stub: the bpn will be reused if necessary later, it's not a problem if they remain
[04:31] <stub> launchpad_prod=# select id from binarypackagerelease where binarypackagename in (109160,106161);
[04:31] <stub>    id
[04:31] <stub> --------
[04:31] <stub>  866562
[04:31] <stub>  840227
[04:31] <stub>  840528
[04:31] <stub>  840962
[04:31] <stub>  841194
[04:31] <stub> (5 rows)
[04:32] <stub> launchpad_prod=# select binarypackagerelease.id,binarypackagename.name from binarypackagename,binarypackagerelease where binarypackagename in (109160,106161) and binarypackagename.id = binarypackagename;
[04:32] <stub>    id   |                    name
[04:32] <stub> --------+--------------------------------------------
[04:32] <stub>  866562 | linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17-11-itanium
[04:32] <stub>  840227 | serial-modules-2.6.20-6-generic-di
[04:32] <stub>  840528 | serial-modules-2.6.20-6-generic-di
[04:32] <stub>  840962 | serial-modules-2.6.20-6-generic-di
[04:32] <stub>  841194 | serial-modules-2.6.20-6-generic-di
[04:32] <stub> (5 rows)
[04:32] <stub> More rubbish to clear, or the other releases fine?
[04:34] <cprov-ZzZ> wait, the bpn are in sequence (109160, 109161)
[05:24] <poolie>  jamesh: ping?
[05:25] <jamesh> poolie: hi
[05:25] <poolie> jamesh: hi, was just wondering about codebrowse
[05:25] <jamesh> oh?
[05:26] <poolie> should you own it -- are you happy to/do you have time?
[05:26] <poolie> also, is it stable enough that we could link to it from at least the launchpad beta site?
[05:27] <spiv> I think we should link it from beta.
[05:28] <jamesh> I am happy to do maintenance on it.  I don't know if I'd have time to do too much work on loggerhead itself though
[05:28] <jamesh> linking it from beta sounds like a good idea
[05:30] <poolie> jamesh, will you make those links, or should someone else? (tim/jml)
[05:31] <jamesh> I can put together a branch for that.
[05:38] <poolie> jamesh, thanks very much
[05:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #92133 in launchpad-bazaar "add explanation on branch page for import branches" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92133
[05:46] <Fujitsu> Is codebrowse meant to actually work? I've tried it a number of times over the past couple of months, and it just seems to wait, and wait.... and wait.... and wait.
[05:47] <jamesh> Fujitsu: it has had some reliability problems
[05:47] <jamesh> (which aren't completely fixed)
[05:47] <jamesh> we've banned robots from the site, which should reduce the problems though
[05:48] <spiv> Fujitsu: also
[05:48] <spiv> Fujitsu: http://, not https://
[05:49] <spiv> Fujitsu: one of those will wait and wait and wait :)
[05:50] <Fujitsu> I've been using HTTP... it still just sits there doing nothing.
[05:50] <Fujitsu> (unless I specify a URL giving a 404)
[05:50] <Fujitsu> It apparently just went into an infinite redirect loop, too.
[06:01] <jamesh> Fujitsu: what URL were you browsing to?
[06:02] <jamesh> Fujitsu: you aren't the first to hit this one, and I'd like to be able to debug it
[06:02] <Fujitsu> Well, I think it's valid, as others 404...
[06:02] <Fujitsu>  /~ubuntu-dev/mplayer/ubuntu
[06:02] <Fujitsu> It redirects to /~ubuntu-dev/mplayer/ubuntu/changes, then infinitely.
[06:10] <mpt> Fujitsu, that's bug 89854
[06:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89854 in launchpad-bazaar "codebrowse fails with infinite redirections" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89854
[06:16] <Fujitsu> Thanks mpt.
[06:17] <LaserJock> mpt: problem resolved, thanks ;-)
[06:17] <Fujitsu> jamesh: You now have a URL and request time, as asked :P
[06:24] <jamesh> Fujitsu: okay.  Looks like this is related to the Berkeley DB corruption problem
[06:24] <jamesh> could you try again to see if it is repeatable?
[06:24] <jamesh> (I've cleared the cache)
[06:25] <Fujitsu> It works!
[06:25] <Fujitsu> Thanks.
[06:25] <jamesh> still doesn't answer the question though :(
[06:27] <Fujitsu> Which question? Why it gets corrupt?
[06:28] <jamesh> because it is Berkeley DB?
[06:29] <jamesh> that's what BDB does :)
[06:29] <Fujitsu> Heheh. Why does it use BDB?
[06:33] <jamesh> Fujitsu: robey used the anydbm python module for loggerhead, which picks Berkeley DB
[06:58] <Fujitsu> mpt: Shouldn't bugs.beta.launchpad.net in any context lead you to the same place as clicking the `Bugs' tab?
[07:09] <mpt> Fujitsu, yes, please report bugs where it doesn't
[07:09] <Fujitsu> That I shall do.
[07:09] <Fujitsu> bugs. doesn't do anything on source packages at all.
[07:11] <Fujitsu> Against launchpad or malone?
[09:04] <Fujitsu> jamesh: The MTBF of codebrowse seems to be rather low... it's dead again.
[09:04] <mdke> you know when LP dropped the use of "distro" and "product" in the url to make the urls shorter and more logical? Why didn't that happen as well for "+source"?
[09:05] <jamesh> mdke: you mean for things like /ubuntu/+source/packagename?
[09:05] <mdke> yeah
[09:05] <sabdfl> mdke: because the "default" traverse after a distro is the release name
[09:06] <mdke> it annoys me to type the +source bit, and also I know that most users are going to look at it and wonder what it means
[09:06] <sabdfl>  /ubuntu/feisty/
[09:06] <jamesh> mdke: imagine a source package names feisty or dapper
[09:06] <sabdfl> if we don't have some sort of modifier in there, we have to say... what jamesh said
[09:06] <jamesh> Fujitsu: it seems to be working for me.  Can you give more details?
[09:06] <jamesh> Fujitsu: I don't see any BDB exceptions
[09:07] <mdke> sabdfl: I see. Is that the only reason?
[09:07] <Fujitsu> Well, I just got a 500 from it.
[09:07] <Fujitsu> Oh, HTTPS.
[09:07] <Fujitsu> Oops.
[09:08] <sabdfl> mdke: yes. for each object, we define a "default traverse" and then n "alternative traverses"
[09:08] <mdke> hmm
[09:08] <sabdfl> in the case of distro, we decided that releases are a natural default
[09:08] <sabdfl> so youcan also have /ubuntu/feisty/+source/apache2
[09:08] <jamesh> Fujitsu: yeah.  I need to file an RT request about getting https://codebrowse.launchpad.net to redirect rather than time out
[09:08] <sabdfl> which will tell you about the history of the apache2 source in *feisty*
[09:09] <mdke> I don't really think the fact that bugs are filed against a distribution without a release name (lp.net/ubuntu/bugs/#) while translations are against a release (lp.net/ubuntu/feisty/translation) either, but I think that's a different question
[09:09] <jamesh> mdke: pretty much every place you see a plus in a URL in Launchpad, it is for disambiguation
[09:09] <Fujitsu> sabdfl: But distros/products/projects are merged into the one namespace. It'd be nice to have distroreleases and source packages do the same.
[09:09] <jamesh> mdke: bugs can be targetted to a distro release
[09:09] <jamesh> in which case they show up under that release too
[09:10] <sabdfl> Fujitsu: you can only merge into one namespace if you control the namespace
[09:10] <sabdfl> we don't control the source package name namespace for other distros
[09:10] <mdke> jamesh: i know that, however, Ubuntu doesn't do that
[09:10] <Fujitsu> sabdfl: True... But what are the chances of a package conflicting?
[09:10] <Fujitsu> mdke: Don't we? I do it regularly.
[09:10] <jamesh> mdke: some developers have been using the feature
[09:10] <sabdfl> mdke: ubuntu will do that for feisty+1, the mechanism did not exist for feisty
[09:10] <Fujitsu> sabdfl: (ie. can't they be blacklisted or something?)
[09:10] <jamesh> mdke: it is fairly recent
[09:10] <sabdfl> Fujitsu: non-zero
[09:11] <sabdfl> and no, they can't be blacklisted in other distros
[09:11] <mdke> ah. last time I looked there were just a couple of bugs on specific releases
[09:11] <sabdfl> LP will in due course allow you to browser the debian archive, for example
[09:11] <Fujitsu> Ah, the other distro problem.
[09:11] <mdke> Fujitsu: can't be that regular, there are 7 bugs on feisty
[09:11] <Fujitsu> mdke: Look at Edgy now... Well over 100.
[09:11] <sabdfl> it's used for backports, for example
[09:11] <mdke> ah
[09:11] <Fujitsu> mdke: We don't use it much for Feisty bugs. Generally for SRUs/backports.
[09:11] <sabdfl> the mechanism was only introduced during feisty, iirc
[09:11] <jamesh> Fujitsu: if the BDB corruption occurs again, you should end up with a 500 error page rather than the redirect loop now
[09:11] <Fujitsu> sabdfl: I believe so.
[09:12] <mdke> well, if it's going to be clarified in the future, then it might be worth keeping the release name in the url I guess
[09:12] <Fujitsu> jamesh: I saw that on the bug :) Thanks!
[09:12] <mdke> shame you can't remove +source though
[09:12] <Fujitsu> mdke: I must agree :(
[09:13] <jamesh> in some ways it'd be nice if product series and distro releases weren't the default traverse
[09:14] <jamesh> so e.g. specifications could be the default traverse on blueprints.launchpad.net
[09:14] <jamesh> and bugs on bugs.launchpad.net
[09:14] <jamesh> etc
[09:14] <Fujitsu> That would make sense, but then so does the distrorelease default.
[09:15] <jamesh> yep
[09:17] <popey> guys, is there an agenda for this mornings meeting or is it mainly a Q&A session?
[09:18] <mdke> hiya popey
[09:18] <popey> hello
[09:27] <mdke> whoa! team-membership-janitor?
[09:27] <mdke> that took me aback a bit
[09:35] <carlos> morning
[09:36] <Hobbsee> hi carlos
[09:57] <mdke> carlos: looks like some of the ubuntu-docs templates are arriving. one thing - the serverguide.pot template has disappeared (and appears to have been replaced by server.pot)
[09:57] <mdke> any ideas?
[09:58] <carlos> mdke: isn't it the same? I didn't see the serverguide one and checked the content and found some strings equal so I renamed it
[09:58] <carlos> I guess it was not the right thing to do...
[09:58] <mdke> the package has serverguide.pot
[09:58] <mdke> i think I'd prefer it named like that for ease of using the translations
[09:59] <carlos> but is server.pot a valid one?
[09:59] <carlos> I mean, another valid template?
[10:00] <mdke> carlos: no
[10:00] <mdke> it may have been in an earlier version of ubuntu-docs, but it shouldn't be in the current one
[10:00] <carlos> Oh, that's it
[10:00] <carlos> we have all .pot releases in the queue
[10:01] <mdke> ah right
[10:01] <carlos> so I approved an old one (the newer ones are autoaproved later)
[10:01] <carlos> so it's just a matter of rename it
[10:01] <mdke> cool
[10:02] <Fujitsu> Is the bug Activity Log likely to be made useful again at some point?
[10:02] <carlos> about the missing ones, don't worry I'm doing that task now with everything missing in Feisty, but I do it in small batches to prevent any long lock of the imports
[10:02] <Fujitsu> It doesn't display any of the more modern actions (adding of branches, tags, changing of tasks)
[10:02] <carlos> BjornT: ^^^
[10:02] <mdke> carlos: great. the majority are there
[10:04] <BjornT> Fujitsu: yes, there is a plan for improving the activity log, and even showing it interleaved with the comments on the bug page.
[10:05] <BjornT> Fujitsu: i can't give you an eta for when that will happen, though
[10:05] <carlos> mdke: ok
[10:05] <Fujitsu> BjornT: OK... It'd be nice to be able to see who did stuff to bugs and when.
[10:05] <t_anjan> Guys, I need some help. I seem to have "disabled my account forever" through the Wiki User Preferences page. Is it possible for a sys-admin to re-activate my account for me? Sorry for the trouble.....
[10:05] <BjornT> Fujitsu: but i think it's getting more and more annoying, so we probably should bump up the priority on that one.
[10:06] <Fujitsu> BjornT: I agree with that, of course.
[10:10] <dfarning> @schedule
[10:11] <dfarning> @schedule chicago
[10:11] <Hobbsee> dammit.  launchpad *is* getting my account spammed.
[10:11] <Hobbsee> i think
[10:12] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: What gives you that idea?
[10:12] <mrevell> Hey!
[10:13] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: because i swapped my email address over, and that got spammed
[10:13] <popey> Good morning mr revell
[10:13] <mrevell> Apologies for being late, I got held up on a train,
[10:13] <Fujitsu> Hi mrevell.
[10:13] <dfarning> mrevell, good morning
[10:13] <Hobbsee> but i'd forgotten that my @ubuntu.com would have gotten redirected to that as well
[10:13] <mrevell> So, welcome to the second Launchpad user's meeting.
[10:13] <mrevell> :)
[10:13] <Hobbsee> heya mrevell
[10:13] <popey> mission accomplished
[10:13] <mrevell> How many people are here for the user meeting?
[10:13] <popey> o/
[10:13] <mrevell> cool :) Welcome
[10:14] <mrevell> Okay, so here's the agenda:
[10:14] <mrevell>     *
[10:14] <mrevell>       Welcome
[10:14] <mrevell>     *
[10:14] <mrevell>       Agenda
[10:14] <mrevell>     *
[10:14] <mrevell>       Introduction to the Launchpad developers are who present
[10:14] <mrevell>     *
[10:14] <mrevell>       Invitation to beta team
[10:14] <mrevell>     *
[10:14] <mrevell>       Annoyance of the week
[10:14] <mrevell>     *
[10:14] <mrevell>       User questions
[10:14] <mrevell>     *
[10:14] <mrevell>       Next meeting
[10:14] <mrevell> So, are any Launchpad developers present for this meeting?
[10:14] <BjornT> i'm here
[10:15] <mrevell> Hey BjornT, thanks for joining us.
[10:15] <mrevell> Okay, so, this is going to be a reasonably quick meeting, I think, as we don't have any user-submitted questions this week.
[10:15] <mrevell> I publicised this meeting less than the first, which explains it.
[10:15] <carlos> I'm here too
[10:16] <mrevell> Hey Carlos :)
[10:16] <popey> we have to submit questions in advance?
[10:16] <popey> :(
[10:16] <mrevell> If any of you guys are not yet in the beta team, please do sign up.
[10:16] <mrevell> popey: Not at all
[10:16] <mrevell> popey: There's an opportunity to, though :)
[10:16] <popey> :)
[10:16] <mrevell> So, to sign up for the beta, please visit:
[10:16] <mrevell> https://launchpad.net/~launchpad-beta-testers/+members
[10:17] <mrevell> Then email me to let me know you agree not to post screen shots.
[10:17] <mrevell> Okay, "annoyance of the week". What's caused you guys problems, whilst using Launchpad, this week?
[10:17] <popey> my own stupidity pasting urls with .beta. in the middle of them
[10:18] <Hobbsee> the timeouts
[10:18] <Hobbsee> and the beta.
[10:18] <popey> the text is too small in the beta site
[10:18] <Fujitsu> My usual bug #61024.
[10:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61024 in malone "+packagebugs could have better filtering." [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/61024
[10:18] <mrevell> popey: Ah, well, that's a valid annoyance and we have filed a bug that says those should redirect back to the production site.
[10:18] <mrevell> Hobbsee: We've made some improvements to the code and have upgraded the database server
[10:18] <mrevell> Hobbsee: so, you *should* notice a great improvement in timeouts etc
[10:19] <mrevell> Hobbsee: Have you experienced timeout problems recently?
[10:19] <Hobbsee> yes, it's helping.  still not great though
[10:19] <Hobbsee> mrevell: it's taking ~10 seconds for apges to fully load, instead of 30+
[10:19] <mrevell> Hobbsee: All the time, or just some of the time?
[10:19] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Turning on SSL disk caching helps greatly.
[10:19] <Hobbsee> mrevell: seems to be on the first view.  not sure
[10:19] <popey> Fujitsu: top tip, thanks
[10:20] <Fujitsu> browser.cache.disk_cache_ssl is Epiphany/Firefox
[10:20] <mrevell> Fujitsu: Thanks for the tip. You shouldn't have to do that, though, and I know the guys are working to improve performance.
[10:20] <Fujitsu> *in
[10:20] <mrevell> Hobbsee: At all times of the day?
[10:20] <Hobbsee> mrevell: havent noticed.  i've not been here a lot
[10:21] <BjornT> Fujitsu: i have a fix coming up for bug 70628. it will allow you to use the advanced search to get the bugs listed on +packagebugs, and will of course allow you to do filtering as well.
[10:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70628 in malone "Allow searching for a bug contact's bugs" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/70628 - Assigned to Bjrn Tillenius (bjornt)
[10:21] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: ahh, will try
[10:21] <mrevell> Hobbsee: Okay. Thanks for raising the issue. It's an important one and we are working to improve performance. I'm sorry it's be less than ideal.
[10:21] <Fujitsu> BjornT: I love you!
[10:21] <Hobbsee> mrevell: of course, i'm australian, so i'd be viewing at odd times anyway
[10:21] <Fujitsu> Finally finally finally.
[10:22] <mrevell> Hobbsee: It's an international service, so there's no such thing as an odd time of the day :) Launchpad should be fast wherever you are, provided you have good net access.
[10:22] <mrevell> thanks BjornT
[10:22] <Hobbsee> mrevell: true that
[10:22] <mrevell> popey: Text size
[10:22] <popey> yes
[10:22] <Fujitsu> mrevell: Australia and good net access don't go in the same sentence.
[10:22] <mrevell> popey: I think you've raised this one the launchpad-users lists. Am I right?
[10:22] <popey> no
[10:22] <popey> others have though
[10:23] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: true, but LP is poor compared to most
[10:23] <mrevell> popey: Ah, okay. Are you happy with the responses the LP team have posted on there?
[10:23] <Fujitsu> Bye Hobbsee
[10:23] <mrevell> Hobbsee: thanks for coming, bye!
[10:23] <Hobbsee> (damn dinnertime)
[10:23] <popey> mrevell: I'll go read
[10:24] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Dinner at 20:30? Interesting.
[10:24] <mrevell> popey: sorry, that wasn't a "Go read it" command :) I just wanted to know where you were coming from
[10:24] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: that's early for here.
[10:24] <mrevell> popey: Please do raise your issues here. I think the issue you're likely to raise is, "The text size is too small" :) But is there more you want to add?
[10:24] <popey> to that or to other things?
[10:25] <mrevell> popey: text size, in this case.
[10:25] <popey> no, i just find it hard to read sometimes
[10:25] <popey> I'm no spring chicken, but I don't have especially bad eyes
[10:25] <popey> i.e. not an old fart
[10:25] <mrevell> popey: Ah, you always seem quite sprightly to me.
[10:26] <popey> heh
[10:26] <mrevell> popey: Does the colour make it worse?
[10:26] <popey> I guess, yes
[10:26] <popey> not tremendously contrasty
[10:26] <popey> https://answers.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ticket/4191 for example, grey text on white
[10:27] <popey> its not impossible to read, just not *that* easy
[10:27] <mrevell> If mpt is around, he might be able to give you some input on why the text is as it is and would also be happy to take your feedback.
[10:27] <mrevell> For anyone that doesn't know, mpt is Launchpad usability chief.
[10:27] <popey> I can understand from an aesthetic pov
[10:27] <popey> however IMO a large number of people "dip" into lp so speed is important
[10:28] <mrevell> popey: Yes, that's a great point. Thanks.
[10:28] <popey> we cant spend ages reading hard-to-read text
[10:28] <popey> I guess that's all I have to say about that
[10:29] <mrevell> popey: It looks as though mpt might not be available atm. So, I'll pass it to him and mail a response to the launchpad-users list.
[10:29] <mrevell> popey: thanks for raising it
[10:29] <popey> ok, cool, thanks
[10:29] <popey> np
[10:29] <mrevell> Thanks everyone for raising your annoyances!
[10:29] <mrevell> Okay, so onto user questions.
[10:29] <mrevell> As I said previously, we don't have any pre-submitted questions.
[10:29] <mrevell> So, please fire away.
[10:30] <mrevell> Does anyone have a question for the Launchpad team?
[10:30] <popey> i have a couple of feature requests, appropriate to mention now?
[10:30] <mrevell> popey: PLease do!
[10:30] <dfarning> mrevell, I have got my standard should we encourage derivatives to use LP
[10:30] <popey> In the support ticket system Can we please have it so I can mention "ticket 1234" and it get turned into a URL in the same way I can mention "bug 1234" and that gets turned into a bug url?
[10:30] <mrevell> dfarning: Cool. Let's talk about that next.
[10:31] <Ubugtu> Bug 1234 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/1234 is private
[10:31] <popey> heh
[10:31] <mrevell> Thanks to Ubugtu there :)_
[10:31] <Fujitsu> popey: That sounds trivial and FiF-ish.
[10:31] <popey> that kinda proves my point too :)
[10:31] <popey> the bug bots should also be able to pick out tickets
[10:31] <popey> as well as bugs
[10:31] <Fujitsu> popey: That's pending on there being a text representation (like +bugs-text)
[10:32] <popey> so it has a pre-requisite then which needs fulfilling?
[10:32] <Fujitsu> Yep.
[10:33] <Fujitsu> Not sure if there's a bug about it.
[10:33] <mrevell> BjornT: I know you're a Malone guy, but are you able to say whether it's possible to enter an answer tracker number into the search box on the Answer Tracker?
[10:33] <Fujitsu> mrevell: That's not what popey's referring to, I don't think...
[10:33] <mrevell> Fujitsu: Apologies
[10:34] <mrevell> popey: Can you explain in words that an idiot like me can understand? :)
[10:34] <Fujitsu> mrevell: you can say `bug X' in a bug comment, and it'll linkify it.
[10:34] <Fujitsu> A similar thing should be possible for tickets.
[10:34] <popey> ok lets say I am answering a question..
[10:34] <mrevell> Fujitsu: Ah, got ya
[10:34] <BjornT> mrevell: no, it's not possible yet.
[10:34] <popey> and it has already been answered
[10:34] <popey> yup, what he said
[10:34] <mrevell> :)
[10:34] <mrevell> BjornT: Is it feasible?
[10:34] <BjornT> mrevell: it'd be trivial to add, though.
[10:34] <mrevell> cool!
[10:35] <mrevell> BjornT: Is it most appropriate for popey to raise a bug or a blueprint?
[10:35] <BjornT> mrevell, popey: a bug should be enough for now.
[10:35] <carlos> popey: FiF is 'Fix it Friday' we tag easy bugs to fix in one day with that tag so we take that kind of easy and fast bugs on Fridays to fix small annoyances
[10:35] <popey> ahh thanks carlos
[10:35] <popey> will do BjornT
[10:36] <popey> (I have two more of these to mention) :)
[10:36] <Fujitsu> popey: bug #38381 is the +text for support tickets bug.
[10:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38381 in launchpad-answers "Please add a /+text for the support requests too" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/38381
[10:37] <mrevell> Ah, right, so that's for Ubugtu, got ya.
[10:37] <mrevell> So, popey, are you happy to raise a bug ticket?
[10:37] <popey> sure
[10:37] <popey> against what?
[10:37] <popey> launchpad-answers?
[10:38] <mrevell> popey: https://beta.launchpad.net/launchpad-answers
[10:38] <mrevell> yeah
[10:38] <popey> ok
[10:38] <mrevell> popey: What was your next question/request?
[10:38] <popey> hmm, I actually have one more thing, not two, just noticed one has been implemented already \o/
[10:38] <popey> Can we have per-user macros. I find myself saying the same thing to people on support requests. It would be nice to have some phrases that I can use shortcuts for. If there was a little pick list that I could maintain myself that would be very handy.
[10:39] <mrevell> popey: That's a cool idea.
[10:39] <popey> either ajaxy drag and drop thing or just a pick list
[10:39] <Fujitsu> popey: That'd be nice for bugs too, of course.
[10:39] <popey> true
[10:40] <popey> you could have nice little abbreviations like "FOAD" :)
[10:40] <popey> maybe it could be done with simple regexp
[10:41] <popey> I type !nvidia! and what appears is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia   for example
[10:42] <mrevell> BjornT: Sorry to bug you again, but does this seem like something we might be able to do one day?
[10:43] <BjornT> mrevell: one day, yes. but i don't know which day :) (and it'll probably take more than one day to do)
[10:43] <mrevell> BjornT: Yeah, sure :)
[10:43] <indraveni> kiko-zzz, hi
[10:43] <mrevell> popey: This sounds like a good candidate for a blueprint.
[10:43] <popey> I'll file a whishlist bug
[10:43] <popey> erk
[10:43] <popey> ok
[10:43] <indraveni> kiko-zzz, I registered our BOSS distribution in launchpad
[10:43] <mrevell> popey: I'll happily help you with the blueprint :)
[10:44] <popey> that would be helpful
[10:44] <popey> I have other blueprints I need to write
[10:44] <indraveni> kiko-zzz,  and I would like to know how I can use the other features of launchpad like ROsetto (for transaltion) etc
[10:44] <popey> I need an easy one to start with
[10:44] <Fujitsu> mrevell: Considering we can't access the LP spec wiki...
[10:44] <mrevell> popey: And I'd suggest using the Ubuntu wiki for the spec details
[10:44] <popey> sure
[10:45] <mrevell> Fujitsu: True, but that's not to stop anyone from filing the actual spec content on other wikis.
[10:45] <mrevell> indraveni: Welcome!
[10:45] <mrevell> indraveni: I believe kiko-zzz will be with in us in a couple of hours.
[10:45] <mrevell> indraveni: However, I may be able to help you. We're having a Launchpad user meeting at the moment, but I'll have time after the meeting to talk with you.
[10:46] <indraveni> mrevell, ok , then after how much time you can come back
[10:46] <mrevell> popey: ping after this, if you want me to work with you on it. The Blueprint track is really cool
[10:46] <mrevell> indraveni: Is 15 minutes okay for you?
[10:46] <popey> thanks mrevell
[10:47] <mrevell> popey: No problem :) Out of interest, what was the other thing you were going to raise?
[10:47] <popey> I am done with my questions
[10:47] <popey> "The answers system doesn't search for existing answers when someone types a summary in the same way malone does. Can this be implemented? e.g. visit https://answers.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+addticket and type "nvidia" in the summary box. "
[10:47] <popey> but it does :)
[10:47] <indraveni> mrevell, yes, thankyou
[10:47] <indraveni> mrevell, will meet you after 15 mins then
[10:47] <mrevell> indraveni: Excellent, thanks.
[10:47] <mrevell> popey: Cool, thanks
[10:47] <mrevell> dfarning: Hey
[10:48] <dfarning> hey
[10:48] <dfarning> 1.  Are we encouraging derivatives to use LP?
[10:48] <mrevell> dfarning: Tell everyone more about your derivative ideas
[10:48] <dfarning> sure
[10:48] <mrevell> Fujitsu: Thanks for joining h
[10:48] <mrevell> oh
[10:48] <mrevell> :)
[10:48] <dfarning> basically I am trying to lower the bar for the ubuntu community to work with derivatives
[10:49] <dfarning> make lp work better for derivatives
[10:49] <dfarning> derivatieves range from localizations to linspire;)
[10:50] <mrevell> dfarning: Do you have any practical examples of how you feel LP could be easier for derivatives to use?
[10:50] <mrevell> sorry
[10:50] <mrevell> carry on
[10:50] <dfarning> one is adding the ability for downstream issue tracker to get reports from LP on bug that they have reported
[10:52] <dfarning> a second is to insure that issues get reported to the correct distros issue handler
[10:52] <mrevell> dfarning: Once we have implemented Launchpad XML-RPC interface, downstream bug trackers could be amended to talk to Launchpad.
[10:53] <dfarning> ok, i'll look into that.
[10:53] <mrevell> dfarning: I'll dig out the relevant blueprint for you.
[10:54] <dfarning> my main question is should we encourage downstreams to use LP
[10:54] <mrevell> dfarning: Ping me later to discuss what more info you need, but you can see the summary at https://blueprints.beta.launchpad.net/malone/+spec/xmlrpc
[10:55] <mrevell> dfarning: We definitely want to encourage derivatives to use Launchpad and Bazaar.
[10:55] <mrevell> dfarning: I think the next question, though is, how do we go about it?
[10:55] <dfarning> do this hold true for all sizes of derivatives
[10:55] <mrevell> dfarning: And this is a great place to raise this sort of question, thanks.
[10:56] <dfarning> s/do/does
[10:56] <mrevell> dfarning: Yes, absolutely. Launchpad is a fantastic system and Ubuntu derivatives can get even more out being an Ubuntu derivative by using all of Launchpad collaboration features.
[10:56] <mrevell> dfarning: The question, though, is how we go about it.
[10:57] <dfarning> in terms of implementing, I am work on a tutorial on how to help locoalization set up simple locializations
[10:57] <popey> what do the derivs do now if not use lp?
[10:57] <dfarning> then working on more involved distros like fluxbuntu
[10:58] <dfarning> some use bugzilla
[10:58] <popey> their own? or our upstream ones like gnome?
[10:58] <dfarning> some just ignore the issue;( mostly the little guys
[10:58] <dfarning> usually their own with like 20 reported issues;(
[10:58] <popey> right
[10:58] <mrevell> popey: Linspire, for example, have a load of Bugzilla installs, they have their own IRMA translations system and I'm not sure what they do for spec tracking
[10:58] <dfarning> often very small
[10:59] <popey> so there is definate mileage in convincing them to move into lp
[10:59] <dfarning> I think so just don't want to abuse the LP infrastructure;)
[11:00] <popey> not sure it would be abuse would it?
[11:00] <popey> I can see canonical rubbing their hands with glee at the thought of extra projects in lp :)
[11:01] <popey> (I only said canonical there so I didn't individually point anyone out as being evil or anything ) :)
[11:01] <dfarning> having some of the rather large distro start reporting to LP could amount to a rather large amount or traffic
[11:01] <popey> like linspire ?
[11:01] <dfarning> ;)
[11:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #92185 in launchpad "OOPS reports should take into account Retries" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92185
[11:01] <popey> pick off the little ones first? :)
[11:01] <mrevell> popey, dfarning: The best way that we can handle encouraging derivatives to use Launchpad is to speak to me or statik (Elliot Murphy, one of my Canonical colleagues)
[11:02] <popey> sounds like a plan
[11:02] <mrevell> We can work with derivatives to help them move over to Launchpad etc
[11:02] <dfarning> ok, another implementation issues is how to insure that issues get reported against the correct distro
[11:02] <mrevell> dfarning: Your input in telling derivatives about Launchpad is fantastic.
[11:02] <popey> yeah, sounds like a top idea
[11:02] <dfarning> mrevell, ty
[11:03] <dfarning> for example if i have a new distro called dubuntu and have 10 customize packages
[11:04] <dfarning> I would like the non custom stuff to report against ubuntu and my custom stuff to report against my distro
[11:04] <mrevell> dfarning: To make it most effective, we need to keep up good communication. So, statik is absolutely the best person to talk to derivatives about using Launchpad. If you have contacts who are interested in LP, or you spot a new derivative, ping or email me or statik.
[11:04] <dfarning> mrevell, will do
[11:04] <mrevell> dfarning: This is all
[11:04] <mrevell> really interesting
[11:04] <mrevell> and it's great to see such enthusiasm for Launchpad :)
[11:05] <dfarning> That is it for now;)
[11:05] <mrevell> dfarning: Thanks.
[11:05] <popey> mrevell: are you aware of cubuntu? the command line only derivative of ubuntu?
[11:05] <popey> http://alecjw.googlepages.com/
[11:05] <dfarning> I sure that I will have more issues in the future
[11:05] <mrevell> popey: I've not come across that before, thanks.
[11:06] <mrevell> dfarning: I think it's important that you keep in contact with statik on these issues, so that we don't get cross-wires when talking to people, etc
[11:06] <mrevell> Okay, well, we've over-run slightly, so it's time to set the next meeting date and time
[11:07] <mrevell> I propose Wednesday 21st at 17:00 again. Or should we look at a different time to cover a different part of the world?
[11:07] <mrevell> dfarning: It's Elliot Murphy.
[11:08] <popey> sounds good to me
[11:08] <dfarning> time is good for me also
[11:09] <mrevell> Thanks all.
[11:09] <mrevell> dfarning: And thanks for that.
[11:09] <mrevell> indraveni: Hello
[11:10] <mrevell> dfarning: Good luck :)
[11:10] <indraveni> mrevell, hello
[11:10] <dfarning> mrevell, you are welcome
[11:10] <indraveni> mrevell, meeting over?
[11:10] <mrevell> indraveni: Hi! So, you want to talk about how to get BOSS Linux using Launchpad?
[11:10] <mrevell> indraveni: Yes, the meeting's over, thanks.
[11:10] <indraveni> mrevell, yes
[11:11] <indraveni> mrevell, I have already registered BOSS in launchpad and kiko helped me for that
[11:11] <mrevell> indraveni: Great news.
[11:11] <mrevell> indraveni: What do you want to use Launchpad for?
[11:11] <indraveni> mrevell, now I would like to know more about launchpad usage
[11:12] <indraveni> mrevell, let me tell you step by step
[11:12] <mrevell> indraveni: Please do.
[11:12] <indraveni> mrevell, I read something about Rosetto, and it used for transalting packages
[11:13] <indraveni> mrevell, is it similar to localizing a pacakge into our custom language
[11:13] <indraveni> mrevell, if so how to use it
[11:13] <mrevell> indraveni: Yes, Launchpad Translations (also called Rosetta) is a web-based way for people to translate software.
[11:13] <indraveni> mrevell, ok, so, how can I use it
[11:14] <mrevell> indraveni: Let me see if I can find a good person to help you.
[11:14] <indraveni> mrevell, I think we are given only the bug, support and specification tracking features
[11:15] <indraveni> mrevell, ok
[11:16] <mrevell> indraveni: I think one of my colleagues would be the best person to speak to you. He's based in the US, so he hasn't started work just yet
[11:16] <mrevell> indraveni: Could I take your email address and ask him to contact you later today?
[11:16] <indraveni> mrevell, ok sure
[11:16] <mrevell> indraveni: Thanks :)
[11:16] <indraveni> mrevell<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:17] <mrevell> indraveni: Thank you. I'll ask him to contact you.
[11:17] <indraveni> mrevell, please ask him to tell me the details about the usage of Rosetto, Soyuz, Maloni and Bazaar
[11:17] <indraveni> in launchpad
[11:17] <mrevell> indraveni: I certainly will. thank you for your interest.
[11:17] <indraveni> mrevell, Thankyou
[11:18] <mrevell> no problem
[11:24] <indraveni> mrevell, hello
[11:24] <indraveni> mrevell, can you give me a small info please
[11:25] <indraveni> merriam, kiko previuosly told me that, only some featuers of launchpad are available for free and for making the other packages free, it will take some time. Now are they all free?
[11:25] <indraveni> mrevell,  kiko previuosly told me that, only some featuers of launchpad are available for free and for making the other packages free, it will take some time. Now are they all free?
[11:25] <indraveni> sorry merriam , by mistake I addressed the message to you
[11:26] <merriam> np
[11:26] <mrevell> indraveni: I'm about to take a call but my colleague, Elliot, will be able to take you through that.
[11:26] <indraveni> mrevell, ok
[11:31] <sabdfl> how do i see the first line of the output of a command? i.e. what's the cut / sed / grep / etc command?
[11:31] <sabdfl> say I wanted to see the first line of ls, i could type ls | ???
[11:32] <popey> head -n 1
[11:32] <popey> opposite of tail
[11:33] <sabdfl> thanks popey
[11:33] <popey> np
[11:51] <sabdfl> another question - how do I echo some text *without* a newline? so the next thing continues that line?
[11:52] <sabdfl> erk
[11:52] <sabdfl> echo -n
[11:52] <sabdfl> sorry
[11:52] <sabdfl> rtfm
[11:52] <popey> :)
[12:21] <cprov> morning !
[12:41] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Have you got the caching setting on? That should reduce it to 3-4.
[12:42] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: i turned it on, yes.
[12:42] <Fujitsu> Hm.
[12:42] <Hobbsee> nto positive that i've restarted LP though
[12:43] <Fujitsu> I wouldn't have thought you would have restarted LP. You don't have such powahs.
[12:43] <Hobbsee> er, firefox
[12:43] <Hobbsee> ah.  8 seconds.  that's better.
[12:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #30602 in rosetta "Timeout errors in +translate" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/30602
[12:47] <LarstiQ> Hobbsee: you're in Australia/New Zealand?
[12:47] <Hobbsee> LarstiQ: australia, yes
[12:47] <LarstiQ> Hobbsee: yeah, then the latency will hurt :(
[12:47] <Hobbsee> indeed
[12:48] <Hobbsee> but nto usually that bad, for most websites...
[12:48] <mrevell> Fujitsu: With regard to caching, we're starting to ask that beta people don't use the SSL caching. LP - even from Australia - should be responsive and work smoothly, without caching. So, it'd be cool if you could turn it off and describe your experience on launchpad-users.
[12:48] <Fujitsu> I'm getting about 3 seconds on average with the caching.
[12:49] <Fujitsu> mrevell: That's not really bearable.
[12:49] <Hobbsee> what, the 3 seconds?
[12:49] <mrevell> Fujitsu: Have you tried it recently?
[12:49] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: The 20 seconds without it.
[12:49] <Hobbsee> ah
[12:49] <mrevell> Fujitsu: I know the guys have made some pretty good performance improvements lately.
[12:49] <Fujitsu> mrevell: I configured the caching on a new box a couple of days back, so it was slow then.
[12:49] <Hobbsee> mrevell: well, i just tried - it was 24.  before the improvements, ti was probably closer to 50.
[12:50] <Hobbsee> and my connection's not that crap - not my home one, anyway
[12:50] <Hobbsee> which makes launchpad unusable
[12:50] <mrevell> Hobbsee: Hmm.
[12:50] <Fujitsu> 15 seconds to load /ubuntu without caching.
[12:50] <mrevell> Fujitsu: hmm
[12:50] <mrevell> hmm
[12:50] <Fujitsu> Not as bad as it used to be, though.
[12:50] <mrevell> I'm sorry that it's still not usable.
[12:51] <mrevell> So, to render a standard bug info page takes 50 seconds?
[12:51] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: You don't have your panel clock displaying seconds?
[12:51] <Fujitsu> mrevell: Maybe 25.
[12:51] <LarstiQ> mrevell: under 3 seconds without caching
[12:51] <Hobbsee> it's 10sec to the standard LP page
[12:52] <Fujitsu> LarstiQ: You silly Europeans with low-latency, high-bandwidth links.
[12:52] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: no, i've got enough stuff there
[12:52] <LarstiQ> Fujitsu: guilty as charged
[12:52] <mrevell> For me it's nigh on instant
[12:52] <mrevell> I have no caching
[12:52] <popey> ditto
[12:52] <Fujitsu> 18 seconds for bugs/43150
[12:52] <popey> going through my crappy broadband over an ssh tunnel from work
[12:53] <popey> 4 seconds here
[12:53] <mrevell> Fujitsu: So, I'm not tell you that to make you envious
[12:53] <mrevell> :)
[12:53] <Hobbsee> bug 43150
[12:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43150 in wxmaxima "[SRU]  maxima frontends fail to connect" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/43150
[12:53] <mrevell> I am worried though that you guys are getting a lower quality experience than you should
[12:53] <mrevell> hey salgado
[12:53] <mrevell> What's your load time like on beta page
[12:53] <mrevell> s?
[12:54] <Hobbsee> mrevell: 25 seconds to load the bug mentioend above into a usable state (ie, text, with barely any graphics), 28 seconds for full load
[12:55] <mrevell> matsubara: What's your load time like for rendering a bug page in beta, from Brazil? Fujitsu and Hobbsee are reporting very slow times for Aus.
[12:55] <salgado> hi mrevell
[12:55] <salgado> it's not too slow here. took less than 10s to load my home page
[12:55] <salgado> let me try a bug listing page
[12:56] <salgado> hmmm. even quicker
[12:56] <Hobbsee> salgado: clear cache first?
[12:56] <popey> i am finding launchpad.net waaay slower than beta.launchpad.net
[12:56] <Fujitsu> A couple of weeks back someone (one of the sysadmins, AFAICR) asked me to download an ISO from a server on the same connection, and it was pathetically slow, whereas to others in the DC it was fine. He found it odd.
[12:56] <Fujitsu> popey: Lucky.
[12:57] <matsubara> mrevell: using shift + reload, opening a random bug page I've got 15.89ms
[12:58] <mrevell> matsubara, salgado: thanks guys
[12:59] <matsubara> mrevell: 3.25s using a reload only (which uses the cached stuff in my browser)
[12:59] <LarstiQ> Fujitsu: that was elmo
[01:00] <Fujitsu> LarstiQ: Ah yes, that's right. I thought it was one of those four.
[01:00] <salgado> Hobbsee, took around 15s without cache
[01:00] <Hobbsee> that's....still unacceptable, for a webpage, but it's better than what we're getting
[01:01] <Fujitsu> salgado: That's more like it. We're not meant to have cache.
[01:01] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: I'm down to around 20... What ISP are you on?
[01:01] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: bigpond
[01:02] <Hobbsee> (telstra)
[01:02] <Fujitsu> Hahahahah.
[01:02] <Hobbsee> yeah, well
[01:02] <Hobbsee> but compared to other crappy load times, LP is terrible - it's all relative
[01:02] <Fujitsu> Still, a couple of seconds isn't much difference.
[01:02] <Hobbsee> actually, bigpond is reasonably fast, it just goes down occasionally
[01:02] <Hobbsee> exetel's been worse recently, amazingly enough
[01:04] <Znarl> Fujitsu : ISO/archive/security mirror systems are on a different network to Launchpad/other DC machines.  Poor network preformance to mirrors systems is not a sign launchpad/other DC systems are also poor generally.
[01:05] <Fujitsu> Znarl: elmo said the system I tested from was on the same connection.
[01:06] <Fujitsu> I think..
[01:06] <Kmos> Hobbsee: change ISP :)
[01:06] <Kmos> ubuntu.com isn't at the same isp.. right?
[01:06] <Kmos> it's more faster
[01:06] <Hobbsee> Kmos: tell dad that.   i wish.
[01:06] <Hobbsee> Kmos: all ISP's here suck, though
[01:07] <Kmos> Hobbsee: here, where ?
[01:07] <Hobbsee> Kmos: australia
[01:07] <Kmos> far away :)
[01:07] <Znarl> Fujitsu : Possible, but traffic is treated differently, so comparing the two isn't a fair test.
[01:07] <Kmos> how about to use a second server ?
[01:07] <Fujitsu> Znarl: It was durville.ubuntu.com I was asked to grab an ISO from.
[01:07] <Fujitsu> Ah, OK.
[01:08] <Kmos> or change the server nameservers to opendns.com
[01:08] <Hobbsee> Kmos: yes
[01:08] <Kmos> Hobbsee: it already has ?
[01:08] <Hobbsee> Kmos: yes, as in, yes, it's far away
[01:09] <Kmos> :)
[01:09] <Fujitsu> What's OpenDNS got to do with speeding up LP?
[01:09] <Kmos> Fujitsu: maybe their isp dns's are slowly
[01:09] <Kmos> so use more ones in the first place, opendns that are very fast
[01:09] <Kmos> :)
[01:12] <SteveA> Hobbsee, Fujitsu: hi
[01:12] <Fujitsu> SteveA: Hi.
[01:12] <Hobbsee> heya SteveA
[01:13] <SteveA> mrevell tells me that you're both in Australia
[01:13] <SteveA> and are both trying out the beta UI
[01:13] <Hobbsee> indeed
[01:13] <SteveA> and both find it rather slow to load pages
[01:13] <Fujitsu> Pretty much :-/
[01:13] <Hobbsee> uh, yeah :P
[01:14] <SteveA> ok.  I've been working with other people on the Launchpad team to make beta faster.
[01:14] <SteveA> I'd like to look into the specific things you're seeing
[01:14] <SteveA> do you have time now to work with me on this, or perhaps some other time?
[01:14] <SteveA> there are various things I'd like to get you to try out that will help me see exactly where the problem is
[01:14] <Fujitsu> SteveA: How long is it likely to take? I can be here for another 45 or so.
[01:15] <SteveA> and whether there's anything I can do to help it
[01:15] <SteveA> yay for SHM
[01:15] <SteveA> Fujitsu: maybe if I work with Hobbsee to start with, and then I'll have a better idea of what the issue is, and I can get you to confirm the results later?
[01:15] <Hobbsee> SteveA: not yay when i dont understand the assignment questions!  :P
[01:16] <Fujitsu> SteveA: Of course.
[01:16] <SteveA> ok, great
[01:16] <SteveA> Hobbsee: give me 5 mins to get a fresh cup of green tea, and then you'll have my complete attention.
[01:16] <Hobbsee> ok
[01:16] <Hobbsee> okay.  as long as i dont have to drink it, it's all good :)
[01:17] <SteveA> no, I'll sort out the drinking part at this end
[01:18] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:18] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: You don't like tea?
[01:19] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: nope.  i'm very much a coke, water, or strawberry milk person
[01:19] <Fujitsu> Urgh. Water or tea is my stuff.
[01:22] <SteveA> Hobbsee: okay, I'm ready.  To start with, let's see what the ping latency is like from you to beta.launchpad.net
[01:22] <SteveA> please: ping -c 10 beta.launchpad.net
[01:22] <SteveA> and paste to me the last line:
[01:22] <SteveA> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 16.274/16.892/17.645/0.527 ms
[01:22] <Hobbsee> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 290.056/291.668/293.682/1.201 ms
[01:23] <SteveA> ok
[01:23] <SteveA> next, do you have any special firefox settings turned on?
[01:23] <SteveA> like, caching ssl content?
[01:24] <Hobbsee> SteveA: caching's enabled, not caching ssl content (although it's greatly improved if i do turn that on)
[01:24] <Hobbsee> hrm, probably have various pipelining configs here too, which makes pages load faster, come to think of it
[01:24] <SteveA> how about trying a fresh firefox profile
[01:25] <SteveA> so that we get the default settings?
[01:25] <SteveA> firefox -ProfileManager
[01:25] <Hobbsee> that works
[01:26] <SteveA> to start with, go to https://beta.launchpad.net/ and log in with your new profile
[01:27] <Hobbsee> yep, just doing that now.  done
[01:28] <SteveA> https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/22995
[01:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 22995 in xorg "xserver-xorg fails on ATI Radeon X700" [Medium,Fix released]   - Assigned to Ubuntu X SWAT (ubuntu-x-swat)
[01:28] <SteveA> go to that page
[01:28] <Hobbsee> 3 second
[01:28] <Hobbsee> s
[01:28] <SteveA> then when it has loaded, click on the link to bug 22985
[01:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 22985 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "[x700]  fails to infer lvds for primary connector on acer ferrari 4005 | card detected, but driver fails to use right output port" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/22985 - Assigned to Ubuntu X SWAT (ubuntu-x-swat)
[01:28] <SteveA> in the first comment
[01:28] <Hobbsee> aiee, tiny fonds
[01:29] <Hobbsee> 8 seconds
[01:29] <SteveA> yeah, that one took a long time for me too
[01:29] <SteveA> because of all the comments
[01:29] <Hobbsee> ahhh, yes, that wouldnt help
[01:30] <SteveA> next, if you open up the portlet for "subscribers to this bug"
[01:30] <SteveA> and click on the first name there: Alain Maisonneuve
[01:30] <Hobbsee> yep.  pretty much immediate
[01:30] <Hobbsee> 8 seconds
[01:30] <SteveA> I'm confused
[01:31] <SteveA> what was immediate and what took 8 seconds?
[01:31] <Hobbsee> sorry, the portlet opening was immediate, the first name click was 8 seconds
[01:31] <SteveA> ah, right
[01:31] <SteveA> the portlet's information is already in the page
[01:31] <SteveA> so nothing gets loaded specially for that
[01:31] <Hobbsee> yes, i'd be very worried if it was loading the portlet slowly too!
[01:31] <SteveA> what are you using to time the page loads?
[01:32] <Fujitsu> SteveA: I have noticed the Ubuntu tags portlet lagging on opening, but that's likely because it's enormous.
[01:32] <SteveA> Fujitsu: probably more to do with the browser needing to display it than loading information
[01:33] <SteveA> Hobbsee: next, please click on the Karma link on Alain Maisonneuve's page
[01:33] <Hobbsee> SteveA: my head, ktimer
[01:34] <Hobbsee> SteveA: 3 seconds
[01:35] <SteveA> ok, that's not so bad compared to me -- 1.81s for me
[01:35] <SteveA> assuming you're cacheing the same things as me at this point
[01:35] <SteveA> that will have loaded:
[01:35] <SteveA>  - the main page
[01:35] <SteveA>  - style.css
[01:35] <SteveA>  - four .js files
[01:36] <SteveA> and then a couple of other things too after the main page content has loaded
[01:36] <Hobbsee> right
[01:36] <SteveA> I'd like to investigate this a bit more
[01:37] <SteveA> to see if we can get those 3 seconds down to more like 1
[01:37] <Hobbsee> yes - the difference between my current profile, and the new one is quite odd, too
[01:37] <SteveA> to do the next thing, I'll log into the server where beta.launchpad.net talks to the rest of the world
[01:37] <SteveA> and check some things in the logs there
[01:39] <Hobbsee> right
[01:39] <SteveA> I can't find some logs I need, so I'm chatting to the admins to see where they've gone
[01:40] <SteveA> aha
[01:40] <SteveA> I'll flavour the next ones with green tea
[01:40] <Hobbsee> argh!
[01:40] <SteveA> to protect them
[01:42] <Kmos> SteveA: and some traceroute to you.. how many hops ?
[01:46] <SteveA> Kmos: mtr --report  beta.launchpad.net   tells me I have 14 hops
[01:46] <SteveA> average time from me to there, 16.9
[01:50] <SteveA> Hobbsee: ok, I now have the log information from our experiment just now
[01:50] <Hobbsee> right
[01:51] <Hobbsee> SteveA: have you concluded, as crimsun has, that it's stuffed?
[01:51] <SteveA> I'm going to stare at this for 15-20 mins, then I'll know better :-)
[01:52] <Hobbsee> right
[01:52] <SteveA> thanks for helping out.  I think I have something to work with for now.  Maybe we can have another session later, once I've worked out what to look into next?  (later being not necessarily today, as it's probably late in australia, and...
[01:53] <SteveA>   ... there's SHM to look into :-) )
[01:53] <Hobbsee> haha
[01:53] <Hobbsee> NOOOOO!  not the evil SHM!!!
[02:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #92219 in launchpad "http://bugs.launchpad.net/$bugnumber should redirect to the bug" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92219
[02:03] <kiko-zzz> hi there
[02:03] <kiko> handsome
[02:04] <flint-dude> Hello handsome hehe
[02:04] <Hobbsee> hi kiko
[02:05] <flint-dude> kiko thing are growing so fast can you keep up
[02:06] <flint-dude> The new change's is awesome
[02:06] <kiko> hi Hobbsee
[02:08] <jamesh> I wonder if you can get apache to log request times with subsecond accuracy?
[02:09] <popey> you could use the apache to database doofer that inserts every log entry to a database table
[02:09] <popey> which i think has better granularity
[02:09] <jamesh> sounds like hard work :)
[02:10] <popey> heh
[02:10] <popey> its an apache mod iirc
[02:10] <popey> not much to it
[02:10] <popey> libapache-dbilogger-perl - Tracks what's being transferred in a DBI database
[02:55] <BjornT> flacoste, salgado: ready for a review meeting in 5 minutes?
[02:55] <salgado> BjornT, yep
[02:56] <flacoste> BjornT: i'm sprinting, attention might drift away
[02:56] <BjornT> cool
[03:00] <kiko> BjornT, salgado: I was thinking of doing the 5 bottom-most reviews on PR today
[03:00] <kiko> see what you think of that idea
[03:03] <salgado> kiko, I'd prefer if you reviewed https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/pending-reviews/salgado/launchpad/oops-fixes/full-diff, which is on jamesh's queue for a long time, and he still has mark's 3KLOC branch to review
[03:04] <BjornT> ok, time for this week's non-au reviewer meeting
[03:05] <BjornT> == Agenda ==
[03:05] <BjornT> * Roll call * Next meeting * Queue status.
[03:05] <kiko> salgado, that's friggin big
[03:05] <BjornT> who's here?
[03:05] <salgado> kiko, it's mostly moving tests around and changing them to user testbrowser
[03:05] <salgado> BjornT, me
[03:06] <flacoste> kind of here
[03:06] <kiko> me
[03:07] <BjornT> == Next meeting ==
[03:07] <BjornT> next meeting will be in a week, Mar 21, 1400 UTC
[03:08] <Kmos> BjornT: change topic =)
[03:09] <BjornT> Kmos: which topic? :)
[03:09] <BjornT> == Queue status ==
[03:09] <BjornT> there are 20 open reviews, with 7 more than one week open. i don't think all the statuses have been updated, though.
[03:09] <salgado> yeah, I forgot to update some. will do it now
[03:09] <BjornT> salgado: do the branches in your queue have the correct status?
[03:10] <BjornT> salgado: ok. try not to forget it, makes it harder to keep track of the queue.
[03:11] <Kmos> BjornT: of this channel
[03:12] <salgado> Kmos, this is a reviewers meeting, it doesn't go to the topic because it's not of interest for most people
[03:12] <BjornT> ok. then the queue doesn't look too bad. it's mostly the au people that are slacking ;)
[03:14] <BjornT> kiko: so, you are going to review the 5 of the branches from the general queue?
[03:14] <kiko> BjornT, I could do that. they are small.
[03:15] <salgado> thanks kiko
[03:15] <BjornT> kiko: that would be good. give the other reviewers a chance to catch up with the queue.
[03:16] <BjornT> if you're going to take some branch from jamesh (like salgado suggested), you should probably coordinate with him first so that he hasn't started yet.
[03:18] <BjornT> == Other business ==
[03:18] <BjornT> anything else?
[03:19] <Kmos> kiko: received my mail ?
[03:20] <kiko> Kmos, yeah, it should probably be filed as a bug as I am sure I will lose it
[03:20] <Kmos> kiko: ok
[03:20] <BjornT> ok, meeting ended. thanks for coming.
[03:22] <kiko> you're welcome!
[03:23] <Kmos> kiko: send mail to me again plz
[03:23] <kiko> sure
[03:23] <Kmos> thx
[03:27] <Kmos> kiko: got it
[03:27] <Kmos> :)
[03:30] <kiko> rock on canada
[03:31] <Prognatus> How about regarding "Wishlist" in bugs as "Features", move all data and the category accordingly?
[03:34] <Prognatus> As for the Ubuntu bug database, it would mean 5452 wishes moved to Features, and a lot cleaner bug database!
[03:35] <Prognatus> While Wishlist would still be a category, but now under Features (where it belong, IMO) instead of in bugs.
[03:39] <Prognatus> Besides, searching for previous/similar cases would be much easier.
[03:46] <Prognatus> And while I'm at this: Features need an advanced search option.
[03:47] <Prognatus> And another thing: tags should be the default way of marking topics, not category.
[03:48] <Prognatus> Any thougts anyone?
[03:49] <Prognatus> What do you mean, Larstiq?
[03:50] <LarstiQ> Prognatus: there seems to be context to what you suggest, and I'm missing that context
[03:51] <Prognatus> LarstiQ, no other discussion if that's what you mean. Just my thoughts from using Launchpad.
[03:52] <LarstiQ> your use of launchpad would be that context :)
[03:53] <Prognatus> Ok. Then regard this as from a users point of view.
[03:53] <LarstiQ> of launchpad that is
[03:54] <Prognatus> Anyway, input is welcome.
[03:54] <LarstiQ> Prognatus: what do you mean with 'a catgeory'?
[03:55] <LarstiQ> I presume you mean blueprints/specs with features. What is an advanced search option for that?
[03:57] <Prognatus> Well cateory would be a file criteria to describe where the case belongs to. I think it's better to use multiple tags instead of having to decide of one or nothing.
[03:58] <LarstiQ> I see nothing like a category anywhere on https://beta.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/4663 for example
[03:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 4663 in bzr "bzr log does not work on merged revisions" [Medium,In progress]
[03:58] <Prognatus> What I miss most about advanced search in features specifically, is the function itself. :) Generally what I miss is logic search AND/OR/NOT and better freetext searches.
[04:00] <matsubara> Prognatus: could you try to use the terms presented in the UI? it would help us understand the specific points you're raising.
[04:01] <Prognatus> No, the "category" definition doesn't exist (yet), but several of the other filing criteria works as such, besides filing in the right database of course.
[04:01] <Prognatus> Sure. :)
[04:02] <matsubara> Prognatus: btw, I think bug 50788 is what you're looking for. Is that right?
[04:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50788 in malone "We don't need "Wishlist"" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/50788
[04:03] <Prognatus> matsubara, maybe. I have to read that now. :)
[04:07] <Prognatus> Ok, I agree, but only if the Wishlist was saved, that is not deleted but moved another place. Features would fit as that place, I think.
[04:08] <Prognatus> There is a difference between a wish(list) and a feature, but they're closely related.
[04:08] <Prognatus> Having them in the same database would help searching.
[04:09] <Prognatus> ...which bring us back to Advanced Search again.
[04:18] <matsubara> Prognatus: I'd suggest you to file a bug in launchpad.net/blueprint/+filebug requesting the advanced search feature with specific examples of how that search would be helpful to you and how the current search didn't return the expected results.
[04:19] <Prognatus> Ok, I'll spec out the details a bit more first.
[04:21] <Prognatus> However, it feels backwards to me to file a bug requesting a feature... See what I mean? That's the whole point about what I've said all along. ;)
[04:21] <oojah> I'm looking at https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/ and the "Ask a question" button is at a different height to the other buttons. Is this intentional?
[04:24] <matsubara> Prognatus: yes, I understand that but if you don't record that somewhere, your suggestions are likely to fall through the cracks.
[04:25] <Prognatus> Absolutely, you're right.
[04:26] <kiko> oojah, I think that's actually reported
[04:27] <LarstiQ> matsubara, Prognatus: fwiw, we use Wishlist differently from specs in bzr
[04:27] <pochu> mrevell: around?
[04:28] <LarstiQ> the flow is: discussion on the list first if something isn't hashed out, after that a spec if it of sufficient size, and a regular bug if not
[04:28] <mrevell> pochu: In the middle of something at the moment, but talk to me anyway and I'll see if I can help
[04:29] <pochu> mrevell: ok, it's about the ~ubuntu-es user, I haven't had an answer, can I do anything else?
[04:29] <matsubara> LarstiQ: perhaps add your use case to bug 50788 would help with that discussion.
[04:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50788 in malone "We don't need "Wishlist"" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/50788
[04:30] <mrevell> pochu: So, the problem is that you want to use that name for your team.
[04:30] <mrevell> ?:
[04:30] <pochu> mrevell: yes, as he seems to not use LP
[04:31] <matsubara> oojah: it's bug 90789 and it's private because there's a screenshot attached to it.
[04:31] <xdatap> mrevell: hi, i just read about user meeting. i'm a little late :)
[04:31] <Ubugtu> Bug 90789 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/90789 is private
[04:32] <mrevell> kiko: The Spanish Ubuntu loco team want to use the name ubuntu-es. A Launchpad user is already using that name, but that person *appears* to be inactive. pochu has emailed the person twice but they haven't replied. Do we have a process for dealing with this sort of situation?
[04:32] <mrevell> xdatap: No worries. There's another one next week :)
[04:33] <xdatap> mrevell: ok. i want to remind you some improvement i suggested for rosetta: https://blueprints.beta.launchpad.net/rosetta/+spec/rosetta-filters-improvements
[04:34] <xdatap> mrevell: and i would like to know if somethings like that in on the road for next release
[04:34] <Prognatus> LarstiQ, how can you regard "Wishlist" as something sorting under "importance"?
[04:34] <oojah> matsubara, kiko: Right, no problem.
[04:34] <LarstiQ> Prognatus: it's an importance level
[04:34] <Prognatus> Not for me.
[04:35] <LarstiQ> Prognatus: as bradb said, the wishlist backburner
[04:35] <Prognatus> bradb's statement isn't listed as I can see it.
[04:36] <Prognatus> Must've been before I joined shis channel.
[04:36] <Prognatus> this
[04:36] <LarstiQ> Prognatus: it's in the bugreport
[04:37] <Prognatus> Ok...
[04:41] <Kmos> matsubara: https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/92267 -> make this one private too!
[04:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 92267 in launchpad "The left Menu need a fix on mouse over" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[04:41] <Kmos> :)
[04:41] <Prognatus> LarstiQ, I don't see the connection.
[04:42] <Prognatus> (I've read bradb's statements in the bug report)
[04:43] <LarstiQ> Prognatus: wishlist bugs don't rank high on the priority list for fixing things, they can be delayed indefinitly
[04:44] <LarstiQ> of course, if a developer feels like it, they can give it a shot between giving other bugs attention
[04:44] <matsubara> Kmos: thanks!
[04:44] <LarstiQ> Prognatus: whereas a critical bug warrants immediate attention
[04:46] <Kmos> at here https://translations.beta.launchpad.net/~gothicx/+translations
[04:46] <Kmos> there is any way to go to the correct line of translations of the package ?
[04:46] <Kmos> now, I need to click on "Next" of the package with 1800 lines of translation :(
[04:47] <Prognatus> LarstiQ, I understand that. Just another reason to put them together with Features, IMO. But what has importance to do with Wishlist backburner?
[04:48] <carlos> Kmos: unfortunately there is no search capabilities (yet) in launchpad
[04:49] <LarstiQ> Prognatus: I thought I just explained that wishlist is an importance level, imo.
[04:49] <carlos> Kmos: but you could try using google, we allow indexing of launchpad
[04:49] <Prognatus> And I said not for (to) me.
[04:49] <Prognatus> Then you referred to wishlist backburner.
[04:50] <Prognatus> Then I said I don't see the connection.
[04:50] <kiko> I do't think it's much of an importance myself
[04:51] <kiko> I mean, conflating wishlistiness and importance is not ideal, since they orthogonally provide a useful measure
[04:53] <Kmos> carlos: i must filebug with that?
[04:53] <LarstiQ> Prognatus: which is exactly what I explained, but nevermind
[04:53] <LarstiQ> kiko: I've been conditioned by years of dbts usage
[04:53] <LarstiQ> a wishlist isn't a list of things you wish for, but the lowest priority ;)
[04:54] <carlos> Kmos: no, we already have it bug #44
[04:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44 in rosetta "Translations should be searchable" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/44 - Assigned to   (danilo)
[04:54] <Prognatus> LarstiQ, I don't understand the connection between the wishlist backburner and importance. Maybe you could explain.
[04:54] <kiko> the word wishlist seems to suggest it's a feature
[04:54] <Kmos> carlos: ok.. thx
[04:55] <pochu> kiko: regarding mrevell question, can I do something else?
[04:59] <Prognatus> LarstiQ, ...instead of issuing patronizing statements like "LarstiQ doesn't really know where Prognatus is coming from" and "LarstiQ has totally no idea what Prognatus is talking about", and referring to other people's statements outside this chat, without telling where.
[04:59] <LarstiQ> kiko: right, not to me but I can see how that would be the case, hence me agreeing with bradb. Not sure if 4 severity levels are enough
[05:00] <carlos> see you!
[05:00] <LarstiQ> Prognatus: I'm sorry you saw that as patronizing
[05:01] <Prognatus> LarstiQ, what you're really saying between the lines here is "WHo is that Prognatus guy coming here with these things?"
[05:01] <kiko> pochu, I was trying to list the references to that person, but.. I have no staging access right now. matsubara can you run that script for us?
[05:01] <kiko> list-person-references?
[05:01] <LarstiQ> Prognatus: that is not what I intended, sorry.
[05:01] <Prognatus> LarstiQ, well, sorry I jumped into your VIP club without invitation!
[05:01] <matsubara> kiko: yes I can, but I need more context. where's it?
[05:01] <kiko> in our tree, matsubara
[05:01] <kiko> it's a little script
[05:02] <kiko> you run it against staging and provide the person's nick
[05:02] <kiko> that's all
[05:02] <matsubara> okie
[05:02] <kiko> il falco!
[05:02] <pochu> ty :)
[05:24] <bdmurray> Has there been a bug filed about sometimes getting "bin file" messages from lp?
[05:26] <matsubara> kiko: https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/fileq0GZJd.html
[05:26] <matsubara> bdmurray: bug 89194
[05:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89194 in launchpad "beta sending gzipped, zero byte replies" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89194
[05:27] <kiko> pochu, I can change that guy's name -- he's just a shipit user.
[05:27] <kiko> pochu, what's the current team's name?
[05:27] <pochu> kiko: thanks :)
[05:28] <pochu> kiko: I made an admin's team, so I'll do a new one for the whole time
[05:28] <pochu> kiko: ubuntu-es-users
[05:28] <kiko> ok
[05:28] <pochu> ty
[05:31] <kiko> pochu, done.
[05:32] <pochu> kiko: thanks :)
[05:34] <bdmurray> matsubara: I am seeing it and I am not using beta.launchpad.net
[05:35] <matsubara> bdmurray: can you reproduce it reliably?
[05:36] <matsubara> bdmurray: actually, the bin file you're offered is equal to the one described in that bug?
[05:38] <bdmurray> matsubara: I haven't actually checked the bin file contents I'll do that next time I see it.  It is seemingly random but happened to me 4 or 5 times this morning.
[05:40] <bdmurray> bdmurray@flash:~/tmp$ file 89194
[05:40] <bdmurray> 89194: gzip compressed data, from Unix
[05:41] <matsubara> bdmurray: right. does it happens only on POSTs?
[05:42] <bdmurray> matsubara: could you elaborate on the difference btwn POST and GET?
[05:44] <matsubara> bdmurray: were you submitting a form or just browsing a page?
[05:45] <bdmurray> matsubara: it happens with both.  the 89194 one I was just trying to go the bug you mentioned.
[05:45] <bdmurray> via the url you posted
[05:47] <matsubara> bdmurray: for a better technical explanation of the GETs and POSTs thing: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/www/cgi-faq/section-37.html
[05:49] <bdmurray> matsubara: should I submit a new bug or comment on the exisiting one?  It is happening quite a lot today.
[05:49] <matsubara> bdmurray: I added that info to the bug. could you add any more relevant information there as well? like the browser version you're using.
[05:49] <matsubara> bdmurray: comment on that one please.
[05:49] <matsubara> I'll update the bug summary as soon as I get back from lunch.
[05:49] <matsubara> thanks bdmurray
[05:49] <bdmurray> matsubara-lunch: thank you
[05:52] <Kmos> bug 44
[05:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44 in rosetta "Translations should be searchable" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/44 - Assigned to   (danilo)
[06:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #33141 in soyuz "duplicate links on distribution release source package page" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/33141
[06:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #44 in rosetta "Translations should be searchable" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/44
[06:07] <Kmos> Bug #44, first reported by Frederic Wenzel  on 2005-01-11
[06:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44 in rosetta "Translations should be searchable" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/44 - Assigned to   (danilo)
[06:07] <pochu> LoL, New Bug!!! xD
[06:08] <Kmos> :)
[06:08] <Kmos> a bug from 2005
[06:08] <Kmos> lol
[06:09] <Kmos> danilos: work on that :)
[06:09] <pochu> hehe
[06:09] <pochu> Seveas: ^
[06:09] <Seveas> ?
[06:10] <pochu> Seveas: New Bug?
[06:10] <Kmos> [17:06]  <Ubugtu> New bug: #44 in rosetta "Translations should be searchable" [High,Confirmed]  14:<https://launchpad.net/bugs/44>
[06:10] <Kmos> i've only made a comment
[06:10] <Kmos> :)
[06:10] <Seveas> buglet in ubugtu
[06:10] <Seveas> I know the bug, sort-of know the hackish fix but still working on a complete solution
[06:11] <pochu> ah, k
 i try to help you, you respond with personal atacks. You get banned. Simple <-- how did I personally attack you?
[07:10] <Kmos> Sorry
[07:10] <Kmos> Launchpad is offline at the moment for maintenance. It should be back, better than ever, soon. Thanks for your patience.
[07:10] <Kmos> The Launchpad team
[07:14] <kiko-fud> indeed
[07:14] <kiko-fud> beta
[07:23] <kiko> ** Launchpad's beta service is down. A beta update went haywire; hold on while we fix things up.  **
[07:24] <Kmos> :)
[07:24] <Kmos> how about to change 503 error page ?
[07:24] <Kmos> Copyright 2004-2005 Canonical Ltd.
[07:25] <Kmos> and re "Sorry"
[07:25] <Kmos> and replace "Sorry" by "503 Service Unavailable"
[07:25] <Kmos> :)
[07:25] <seb128> kiko: you could stop the redirect when you do that ;)
[07:25] <kiko> that would be too much work!
[07:25] <Kmos> kiko: lol
[07:26] <kiko> yeah I just had the same thought
[07:26] <kiko> I don't think it's easy to fix that up seb128
[07:26] <seb128> ok
[07:26] <seb128> I've clicked on the launchpad.net button for that
[07:27] <pochu> up again?
[07:27] <kiko> ** Back up. Sorry about that! **
[07:28] <pochu> you're fast
[07:28] <kiko> thank SteveA the production master
[08:14] <ddaa> BjornT: it looks like there's something wrong with launchpad-bazaar bugmail
[08:14] <ddaa> I think I am no longer receiving launchpad-bazaar bugmail through<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:15] <ddaa> BjornT: any clue what could be the problem?
[08:21] <ddaa> mh... the mails appear to be in the archive alright...
[08:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #44238 in malone "Bugs with Unknown status are not included in the bug listings" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/44238
[08:26] <ddaa> nevermind, it was a bogus mail filter here
[08:56] <statik> ah, much better. resized my root filesystem and now have 81% free instead of 5%. maybe nagios will stop sending me angry emails now
[09:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #92331 in launchpad "[beta]  "Register project" link links to "Register Product" page" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92331
[10:07] <Fujitsu> I'm trying to register a LyX Bugzilla, but it wants contact details, and I'm not sure what to put.
[10:09] <Gwaihir> translation-issue: where is located the desktop-effects package? not the documentation one
[10:12] <beuno> hello, any launchpad devs around?   I have 2 quick questions
[10:12] <pochu> one by one please xD
[10:13] <beuno> yes, I just need one dev, not all of you together  :p
[10:13] <ddaa_> don't ask to ask
[10:14] <Gwaihir> is everything working well with beta.launchpad?
[10:14] <pochu> Gwaihir: why shouldn't it?
[10:14] <Gwaihir> I keep getting 503 errors
[10:14] <tokj> the beta is down
[10:14] <pochu> Gwaihir: yep, they should be working on it
[10:14] <beuno> Gwaihir: launchpad beta seems offline
[10:15] <Gwaihir> ah... ok...
[10:15] <beuno> ok, first thing, is there a way to report a bug as "private" from the start?   I want/need to add screenshots, but I'm not allowed to post screenshots of launchpad beta
[10:16] <matsubara> beuno: yes, you can. use the complicated file bug form.
[10:16] <beuno> great, thanks matsubara
[10:17] <beuno> second question, is there anyway to obtain launchpad information on a specific bug in XML or similar format?
[10:17] <beuno> like Ubugtu does
[10:18] <beuno> I pinged you ddaa because this is related to the email I sent about the forums
[10:18] <Fujitsu> Hahahah. We wish, beuno.
[10:18] <matsubara> beuno: ubugtu parses the email it receives from launchpad. currently it's not possible to retrieve that information
[10:18] <Fujitsu> beuno: There is /+text of a bug.
[10:18] <beuno> 91421
[10:18] <beuno> 9002
[10:18] <matsubara> beuno: but there's the +text version of a bug with some information about the bug.
[10:19] <beuno> how do I access that?  https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/90028/+text doesn't seem to work
[10:19] <ddaa> beuno: I'm not really the best person to ask about malone features.
[10:20] <beuno> see, Ubugtu grabs the information somehow  https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/90027/
[10:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 90027 in firefox "[apport]  firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [High,Needs info]   - Assigned to Mozilla Bugs (mozilla-bugs)
[10:20] <matsubara> beuno: https://beta.launchpad.net/bugs/1/+text
[10:20] <Fujitsu> beuno: From /rosetta/+bug/90027/+text, I believe.
[10:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1 in ichthux "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]   - Assigned to Raphal Pinson (raphink)
[10:21] <beuno> great, I can work with that
[10:21] <beuno> best next thing to XML
[10:22] <beuno> ddaa: as expected, I didn't get any responses to the forum integration  :(
[10:23] <ddaa> everybody here is up their neck
[10:23] <ddaa> and really, the main thing that came out of that email is "wow, that's an entusiastic user!"
[10:24] <beuno> oh, I see
[10:24] <ddaa> remember you're talking to about 10% of the brain of the people who read the list
[10:24] <beuno> I'll try and see if I have better luck with the forum staff then
[10:25] <ddaa> beuno: you should keep trying to get your point across with the launchpad folks.
[10:25] <ddaa> At least get them understand that you are actually proposing something specific, and get an answer about it. And keep it short!
[10:26] <beuno> well, I'm not sure I want to annoy the hell out of anyone...
[10:26] <ddaa> We love being annoyed by users which make concrete proposals.
[10:26] <ddaa> That show that people actually care about what we do.
[10:26] <Lord_Maynoth> hello
[10:26] <ddaa> s/which/who/
[10:27] <beuno> I've look into vbulletin quite a bit, and if I can parse the text version of the bug you've just pointed out, I might be able to integrate launchpad bugs into de forums without any work from launchpad staff
[10:27] <Lord_Maynoth> I had a suggest and was told to talk to the people here
[10:27] <Lord_Maynoth> I was wondering what you guys thought of this idea
[10:27] <Lord_Maynoth> How about a simple Dell Idea Storm Style reccomendation system
[10:27] <Lord_Maynoth> for ubuntu users
[10:28] <Lord_Maynoth> perhaps you could call it ubuntu idea storm
[10:28] <Lord_Maynoth> ideastorm.ubuntu.com
[10:28] <Lord_Maynoth> or whatnot
[10:28] <pochu> Lord_Maynoth: I think you are in the wrong channel ;)
[10:28] <Lord_Maynoth> In this way users could add and prioritize annoyances and things which could be done better
[10:29] <Lord_Maynoth> ?
[10:29] <Lord_Maynoth> what channel should I be in?
[10:29] <pochu> some #ubuntu-channel ;)
[10:29] <beuno> maybe #ubuntu-marketing
[10:29] <pochu> maybe #ubuntu-marketing
[10:29] <pochu> beuno: hehe
[10:29] <Lord_Maynoth> :c
[10:29] <beuno> try IRC, if not, try the mailing list  :D
[10:29] <Lord_Maynoth> ya
[10:29] <beuno> Lord_Maynoth: the mailing list is probably best
[10:30] <beuno> ddaa: I'll just throw on another email with specifics on my idea about implementing it
[10:31] <beuno> if only I could get a hold on one launchpad dev, and one forum dev at the same time for 10 minutes...
[10:41] <flacoste> beuno: if that's of some confort to you, I've flagged your email as TODO as I intend to reply to it, just not got the time yet
[10:41] <beuno> flacoste: it is  :D
[10:41] <flacoste> some of the things you suggest are directly relevant to the Answer Tracker (the part I work on)
[10:42] <flacoste> but if it gets in the Answer Tracker, i'll make sure it is easy to use in other part of Launchpad
[10:42] <beuno> I'm starting to bug the forum staff to look into specifics on there side meanwhile
[10:42] <beuno> flacoste: that gives me some hope!   thanks you very much
[11:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #92374 in malone "samba too hard to configure to be used on windows XP network" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92374
[11:37] <cj> lifeless: pingy?
[11:37] <cj> lifeless: could you add a mono-project project, por favor?
[11:53] <glyphobet> Hi. I keep recieving emails from bugs that I did not report.  I believe that this is because a bug that I did report.  How can I stop this?
[11:54] <glyphobet> needless to say, I can't even find the bug that I *did* report
[11:55] <glyphobet> hello?
[11:59] <kiko> yawn
[11:59] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[11:59] <pochu> hey mpt


[04:13] <jbailey> fabbione: Is there an easy way to generate the modules.alias file based on a subset of modules that I copy to the initramfs?
[04:58] <zul> one down one more to go
[04:58] <jbailey> Nice!
[05:00] <zul> and it looks like im going to get a call back as well
[05:03] <jbailey> Nice!
[05:09] <jbailey> We're down to 18 here.
[05:10] <zul> how is the smog? :)
[05:10] <zul> same here
[05:10] <jbailey> Three days of reasonbly heavy rain at some point during the day have worked some magic.
[05:11] <jbailey> But I could really wish that people would just stop driving their cars.
[05:11] <jbailey> Oh well, sleep time.
[05:11] <zul> then people in toronto would die
[05:22] <fabbione> morning
[05:23] <fabbione> mdz: i did ask elmo to remove 2.6.11 even before hoary release...
[05:23] <fabbione> mdz: and asked after another few times
[05:25] <fabbione> jbailey: i think you can do that using depmod with proper parameters...
[05:25] <fabbione> jbailey: iirc it accepts a module dir to look into
[05:28] <fabbione> hm interesting... busybox-cvs is FTBFS on sparc with a really nice error
[05:29] <fabbione>  /usr/lib/gcc/sparc-linux/4.0.1/../../../../lib/libc.a: could not read symbols: Bad value
[05:29] <fabbione> this looks like either libc or gcc are doomed
[12:04] <fabbione> hey amy
[12:04] <fabbione> amu
[12:05] <amu> hey
[12:33] <zul> c ya later
[12:33] <zul> got another at 9
[12:35] <fabbione> zul: good luck dude
[01:07] <jbailey> fabbione: No, that's the error that is fixed with the newest glibc upload.
[01:20] <fabbione> jbailey: sorry.. what error?
 hm interesting... busybox-cvs is FTBFS on sparc with a really nice error
  /usr/lib/gcc/sparc-linux/4.0.1/../../../../lib/libc.a: could not read symbols: Bad value
[01:20] <fabbione> ah ok :)
[01:20] <jbailey> But no, I'm mistaken
[01:20] <jbailey> That's not the same error I was thinking of.
[01:21] <jbailey> Could be solved with the same fix, though, who knows.
[01:21] <fabbione> ehe ok
[01:21] <fabbione> i will see once glibc are done
[01:21] <jbailey> I should check on that.
[01:22] <fabbione> we will see in the test chroot
[01:22] <fabbione> with the new libc
[01:31] <jbailey> Ayup
[01:55] <zul> i so much hate wearing ties
[01:58] <jbailey> Ahaha
[01:58] <jbailey> Will you need it in the new job?
[01:58] <fabbione> zul: how did it go?
[01:59] <zul> just about to leave...yesterdays was pretty good they wanted a "portfolio" and definite second interview
[02:00] <fabbione> nice
[02:01] <jbailey> "portfolio"?
[02:01] <jbailey> Are you applying to go painting?
[02:01] <fabbione> nic-* udebs are driving me stupid
[03:22] <fabbione> hey lamont
[03:47] <zul> oh headache..
[03:55] <fabbione> zul: eh....
[03:55] <zul> it went ok...they asked for references
[03:56] <fabbione> good
[04:01] <thom> zul: what are you applying for?
[04:01] <zul> desktop support/network admin
[04:01] <zul> part time--junior, need a job
[04:01] <thom> ah
[04:01] <fabbione> thom: do you mind to do an ipw2100 test for me please?
[04:01] <thom> sure
[04:02] <fabbione> thom: remove the following modules from the stock kernel:
[04:02] <fabbione> ipw2100
[04:02] <zul> i need a break..bbiab
[04:02] <fabbione> (sec.. i can't find the full list :()
[04:02] <thom> heh, no worries
[04:02] <thom> i'll need to reboot to .12 anyway
[04:03] <fabbione> -rw-r--r-- root/root     28937 2005-06-08 16:43:25 ./lib/modules/2.6.12-1-386/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ieee80211/ieee80211.ko
[04:03] <fabbione> -rw-r--r-- root/root      7872 2005-06-08 16:43:25 ./lib/modules/2.6.12-1-386/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ieee80211/ieee80211_crypt.ko
[04:03] <fabbione> -rw-r--r-- root/root      8561 2005-06-08 16:43:25 ./lib/modules/2.6.12-1-386/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ieee80211/ieee80211_crypt_ccmp.ko
[04:03] <fabbione> -rw-r--r-- root/root     11558 2005-06-08 16:43:25 ./lib/modules/2.6.12-1-386/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ieee80211/ieee80211_crypt_tkip.ko
[04:03] <fabbione> -rw-r--r-- root/root      6536 2005-06-08 16:43:25 ./lib/modules/2.6.12-1-386/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ieee80211/ieee80211_crypt_wep.ko
[04:03] <fabbione> drwxr-xr-x root/root         0 2005-06-08 16:43:25 ./lib/modules/2.6.12-1-386/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2100/
[04:03] <fabbione> -rw-r--r-- root/root      8522 2005-06-08 16:43:25 ./lib/modules/2.6.12-1-386/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2100/fsam7400.ko
[04:03] <fabbione> there
[04:03] <fabbione> remove this modules for real
[04:03] <fabbione> and try to compile ipw2100 from upstream source
[04:03] <fabbione> that will install the olds ieee stuff
[04:03] <thom> ok
[04:04] <fabbione> and the same ipw2100 driver
[04:04] <fabbione> if you can test that and tell me if it works or not
[04:04] <fabbione> i might be able to compile ipw2100 in a different way to make it working again
[04:12] <doko> fabbione: no amd64 2.6.12 kernels in the archive?
[04:12] <fabbione> doko: are you nuts?
[04:12] <fabbione> they are in universe
[04:12] <fabbione> like all the others :)
[04:12] <doko> ok, don't expect dselect be up to date after an apt-get update ...
[04:13] <fabbione> doko: dselect update != apt-get update
[04:32] <zul> fabbione: when you and i arent busy do you want to talk about the linux-non-supporte-modules thingy?
[06:08] <fabbione> zul: you can bet on it.. we are just in a slightly different TZ
[06:50] <mdz> fabbione: it is starting to cause problems that 2.6.12 is not in main
[06:51] <mdz> fabbione: ndiswrapper-utils is uninstallable, and klibc is unbuildable
[07:17] <lamont__> fabbione: maybe it's time to upload -1.2, eh?
[07:23] <mdz> anastacia has been wanting to pull it into main for a while now, and I've been ignoring it
[07:25] <lamont__> find: warning: you have specified the -mindepth option after a non-option argument -type, but options are not positional (-mindepth affects tests specified before it as well as those specified after it).  Please specify options before other arguments.
[07:35] <lamont__> fabbione: I'd like us to upload -1.2 sometime soon, not just because 94-1.1 is ftbfs on hppa
[07:44] <fabbione> mdz: it's ok with me to move it main. I am almost done with cleaning the udeb mess.
[07:44] <fabbione> mdz: and if you want you can move it now
[07:44] <fabbione> lamont__: i would really love to complete the cleaning before 1.2. i miss only a few sets of udebs
[07:44] <fabbione> (nic-* pcmcia-* scsi-*)
[07:45] <lamont__> woot
[07:45] <fabbione> lamont__: did you see the changelog?
[07:45] <fabbione> didn't you?
[07:45] <lamont__> fabbione: I was meaning sometime this week, not sometime this day...
[07:45] <fabbione> i should be able to upload tomorrow
[07:45] <fabbione> i need to check with pitti how much time i have to prepare another security update for hoary
[07:46] <fabbione> mdz: or can we wait tomorrow after 1.2 is in?
[07:46] <fabbione> mdz: otherwise mostlikely i will have to bump the abi at the first upload
[07:46] <fabbione> mdz: that's kind of annoying for one day
[07:46] <mdz> fabbione: tomorrow is fine, just notify me when you are ready
[07:46] <fabbione> mdz: as soon as i upload 1.2
[07:46] <fabbione> mdz: there is really a bit cleanup to make it ready for main :)
[07:46] <mdz> fabbione: if jbailey needs to make a klibc upload, you must answer to him though :-)
[07:47] <fabbione> mdz: ok :)
[07:47] <fabbione> there are only 128 lines of almost detailed changelog :)
[07:48] <fabbione> and i started to be less anal retentive than before
[07:48] <mdz> jbailey: klibc (main) build-deps on a 2.6.12 package (universe)
[07:48] <fabbione> jbailey: btw.. klibc is FTBFS on sparc dude :)
[07:48] <jbailey> Eh, when did klibc get promoted to main? =)
[07:48] <fabbione> jbailey: if you want .12 in main.. we need to get that fixed :P
[07:49] <jbailey> <insert obligatory comments about logs and visibility here>
[07:49] <fabbione> jbailey: i am setting up something for that...
[07:49] <fabbione> that you will access ala people.
[07:49] <jbailey> Yay!
[07:50] <jbailey> Then I will start asking you guys to have them all in one place. =)
[07:50] <jbailey> But first things first.. =)
[07:50] <fabbione> let me ask elmo if he had any extra tought about it
[07:51] <lamont__> fabbione: if you want to drive getting a process that elmo is happy with, I'd love to see it - any implementation changes I need to make to do the merge, etc.
[07:51] <jbailey> err.. can't find umul.  Unsigned multiply instruction?
[07:53] <fabbione> lamont__: yup...
[07:54] <lamont__> fabbione: thans
[08:00] <fabbione> lamont__: did you read on #ubuntu-toolchain ?
[09:35] <zul> damn im popular
[09:37] <mdz> jbailey: how goes the modalias stuff?
[09:43] <zul> fabbione: i had a couple of ideas i was playing with this week but whenever you are free
[10:06] <fabbione> zul: i will be free in 5 minutes
[10:06] <fabbione> wife is in bed (finally)
[10:12] <fabbione> zul: so.. what's up?
[10:32] <zul> so i was thinking setup similar to d-i
[10:33] <zul> i was looking through the drivers and some of them have ./Configure ./configure make and whatnot
[10:33] <zul> so we would have a flat text file with a flag saying 0 for make 1 for whatever and 2 for whatever
[10:33] <zul> or something like that
[10:33] <zul> thoughts?
[10:35] <zul> or we could script it in kernel-wedge
[10:35] <zul> thats another option as well..
[10:36] <zul> we juat have to make as easy as possible to maintian
[10:36] <fabbione> you already lost me :)
[10:36] <fabbione> let me finish one thing i started while you were away ;)
[10:36] <zul> heh i have a tendency to do that
[10:37] <zul> bleah..:)
[10:39] <zul> i just want it easy to maintain thats pretty much it right now
[10:48] <zul> gotta pick up wife bbl
[10:48] <zul> sorry
[10:56] <fabbione> zul: don't worry..
[11:23] <zul> ok im back
[11:31] <fabbione> ok
[11:32] <fabbione> so explain what you are talking about...
[11:32] <fabbione> step 1)
[11:32] <zul> 1) figure out what drivers are we going to support
[11:32] <fabbione> #1 we already agreed on that
[11:32] <zul> 2) make sure that the modules build individually
[11:33] <fabbione> #2 what do you mean individually?
[11:33] <zul> make sure that there is no surprises when we are compiling them
[11:33] <fabbione> ok they need to build... that's clear :)
[11:34] <zul> yep
[11:34] <zul> 3) add linux-non-supported-modues-* to debian/control debian/control.stub
[11:34] <fabbione> yes
[11:35] <zul> 4) add drivers-build, drivers-install to debian/rules
[11:35] <zul> 5) profit $$$
[11:35] <fabbione> #4 ?????
[11:35] <fabbione> what i don't understand is:
[11:35] <fabbione> 1) why do you want to build them outside the kernel
[11:36] <zul> 4) those are just arbirtary names
[11:36] <fabbione> 2) adding an extra lever of complexity
[11:36] <fabbione> what we need to do is way more simple than that
[11:36] <zul> 1) how would you do that?
[11:36] <fabbione> we already compile the drivers
[11:36] <fabbione> they are already there
[11:36] <fabbione> given your #1 create the list
[11:37] <fabbione> match against this list and move the drivers from build-$flavour into debian/linux-non-supported-$ver-$abi-$foo-$bar-$mysyster-$yourdad
[11:37] <fabbione> and create the debs...
[11:38] <fabbione> (defined in debian/control and .stub)
[11:38] <fabbione> it sounds to me you created a much bigger issue that what needs to be done
[11:39] <fabbione> what lands in there is simple to control and doesn't need extra complexity
[11:39] <zul> i was kind of thinking that so something like d-i right?
[11:39] <fabbione> just one step before install
[11:39] <fabbione> d-i is something else..
[11:39] <zul> ok
[11:39] <zul> ill get d-i out of my head then
[11:39] <fabbione> more levels we add, more complex it becomes to maintain
[11:39] <fabbione> creating udebs is another story and needs other stuff
[11:39] <zul> so something like the abi check?
[11:39] <fabbione> that's already done at kernel build time
[11:40] <fabbione> think in this way:
[11:40] <fabbione> or better
[11:40] <fabbione> look at debian/rules
[11:40] <fabbione> more or less in sequence happens:
[11:40] <fabbione> unpack
[11:40] <fabbione> patch
[11:40] <fabbione> configure
[11:40] <fabbione> build
[11:40] <fabbione> (****)
[11:40] <fabbione> install
[11:40] <fabbione> create debs
[11:40] <fabbione> create udebs
[11:41] <fabbione> now
[11:41] <fabbione> build also includes the abi check
[11:41] <fabbione> what we need to do is somehow:
[11:41] <fabbione> add that (****)
[11:42] <fabbione> that will move the non-supported-modules according to the list
[11:42] <fabbione> from debian/build/build-$flavour/<path_to_the_module>
[11:42] <fabbione> to debian/l-n-s-m-foo-etc/<path_to_the_module>
[11:42] <fabbione> that's all the hook needs to do
[11:42] <zul> ah i think i see
[11:43] <fabbione> it's pointless to duplicate build mess
[11:43] <fabbione> and stuff like that, when it's already there
[11:43] <zul> so you would copy the source to debian/l-n-s-m/
[11:43] <zul> do what ever you need to do
[11:43] <fabbione> no.. no source
[11:43] <fabbione> i will mv directly hte builded binaries
[11:44] <zul> where would you build the binaries from?
[11:44] <fabbione> directly in the kernel, like we are doing now
[11:44] <zul> ah...so we still maintain the patches?
[11:44] <fabbione> yes
[11:44] <zul> ok gotcha
[11:45] <fabbione> but given that they are modules in l-n-s-m
[11:45] <fabbione> we take the freedom to remove them if they don't build
[11:45] <zul> now i understand :)
[11:45] <fabbione> or upstream dies
[11:45] <fabbione> or the patch doesn't apply anymore
[11:45] <fabbione> they are 3rd class drivers
[11:45] <fabbione> 1st class in vanilla kernel
[11:45] <fabbione> 2nd class - external we must have
[11:45] <zul> so you would have a list of modules per arch and a list of modules where the are suppose to go
[11:46] <fabbione> 3rd class - nice to have if it builds
[11:46] <fabbione> we need one list of modules per arch. you already know where they will go
[11:46] <zul> heh i guess i should have gone to udu :)
[11:47] <zul> cool...ill get started on the list tonight
[11:47] <fabbione> eheheh cool :)
[11:47] <fabbione> and i am off to sleep
[11:47] <fabbione> i am tired
[11:47] <zul> nighty night
[11:47] <zul> im off to learn about iscsi as well


[15:00] <coalwater> hello
[15:16]  * ashams coalwater: Hello
[15:17] <ashams> :P
[15:17] <ashams> coalwater: do u like UBT?
[15:18] <coalwater> yea i do
[15:18] <coalwater> i started there
[15:18] <coalwater> they are helpful
[15:24] <coalwater> ashams: :P
[15:24]  * ashams brb, hold on ;)
[17:46] <coalwater> hi seif
[17:51] <seif> yo
[17:51] <seif> :)
[17:51] <seif> coalwater, sup?
[17:57] <coalwater> seif: you,work on,gies w/e right ? lol
[17:57] <coalwater> sry for the commas, on phone lol
[17:58] <coalwater> zietgest oe something
[17:59] <coalwater> or do I have the wrong person
[18:03] <seif> yeah
[18:03] <seif> that is me
[18:03] <seif> coalwater, whats up
[18:03] <seif> ?
[18:17] <coalwater> seif: sry dc'd, i'm home now, i was wondering if i could be useful and participate in that project
[18:21] <coalwater> it's purely python right ?
[18:26] <seif> coalwater, not anymore
[18:26] <seif> coalwater, out new release is C and Vala
[18:26] <seif> we rewrote it completely
[18:27] <seif> coalwater, come o #zeitgeist
[18:54] <ashams> seif: heh, I was about to criticize why it's all python :P
[19:04] <seif> ashams, we moved
[19:06] <ashams> seif: the project on lp says it's in python....
[19:11] <seif> ashams, yeah the port is not released yet
[19:12] <seif> when we release the new version we will change it
[19:17] <seif> ashams, again the new zeitgeist is not official yet
[19:17] <seif> but the code is finished
[19:18] <ashams> seif: great, will it be released with OO
[19:18] <ashams> ?
[19:18] <seif> OO?
[19:19] <seif> ashams, ^
[19:19] <ashams> ouch, I meant Precise
[19:20] <ashams> Precise Pangolin :) ?
[19:22] <ashams> OO = Proud Puma it's 12.10 AFAIK, but can't find any thing about it :(
[19:22] <ashams> seif: ^
[19:25] <ashams> seif: oh!, they picked Pangolin instead of proud puma for 12.04, I'm a little outdated :P
[19:27] <ashams> lets' see what will happen why they run out of letters :)


[09:38] <bambee> morning
[10:19] <bambee> what about kde-sc-dev-lastest ? meta-kde should not be upgraded?
[10:20] <bambee> (I am not very familiar with this package... that's why I am asking)
[10:23] <yofel> upgraded to?
[10:24] <yofel> if you mean 95, we've still got 90 stuff pending in NEW, so I left it
[10:24] <yofel> considering we're 3 days away from final tagging, I would skip RC2 anyway. I'll try to get the rest of the bindings done and we should get the rest of 90 except bindings into the archive
[10:31] <bambee> yofel: ok
[10:31] <bambee> I am upgrading kde-workspace actually
[10:38] <rbelem> morning all
[10:40] <rbelem> yofel, can we add a build for one specific branch for kdelibs, kde-runtime? Do I have rights to do that?
[10:41] <yofel> neon?
[10:42] <rbelem> rbelem, yup
[10:42] <rbelem> ops
[10:42] <rbelem> yofel, ^
[10:42] <yofel> chan change ;)
[10:42] <rbelem> oki
[14:34] <bambee> merge proposal 1: https://code.launchpad.net/~bambi/kubuntu-packaging/kde-wallpapers/+merge/68175
[14:34] <bambee> merge proposal 2: https://code.launchpad.net/~bambi/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace/+merge/68176
[14:35] <bambee> for kde-workspace, I've synced bzr with kubuntu-ninjas btw
[18:02] <shadeslayer> \o
[19:04] <shadeslayer> agateau: dude, fix gwenview's copyrights!!!


[18:32] <Scary_Guy> The 50th birthday of the PDP-8/E [video] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39ZCb65plIQ
[19:19] <cmaloney> That logo is such a period-piece: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDP-8/E#/media/File:Close_up_PDP8e_logo.jpg
[19:20] <cmaloney> I mean, that just screams "I'm from the 1970s. Worship me"