[09:40] <freinhard> has someone tested telepathy calls?
[09:40] <freinhard> fails here with:
[09:40] <freinhard> Failed to link videoscale ! colorspace ! capsfilter
[10:00] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: when I built phonon-backend-vlc against vlc 2.2 will amarok be able to show the  analyzer or does this need another feature?
[10:02] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:06] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: oh I think AudioDataOutput is what I am looking for ...., anyway is this supposed to work when build against latest vlc?
[10:08] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: since http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-multimedia&m=134028505507932&w=2 is already quite old
[10:12] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: regarding the equalizer: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=280413, this should be solved when built against vlc 2.2, right?
[10:30] <R33D3M33R> hello, several problems with kwallet popped up recently (myself involved): https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=CONFIRMED&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=NEEDSINFO&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED&component=kwallet&product=kdelibs&query_format=advanced&resolution=FIXED&resolution=INVALID&resolution=WONTFIX&resolution=LATER&resolution=REMIND&
[10:30] <R33D3M33R> resolution=DUPLICATE&resolution=WORKSFORME&resolution=MOVED&resolution=UPSTREAM&resolution=DOWNSTREAM&resolution=WAITINGFORINFO&resolution=BACKTRACE&resolution=UNMAINTAINED&order=changeddate%20DESC%2Cpriority%2Cbug_severity&query_based_on=
[10:30] <R33D3M33R> it appears that this is not kwallet, but Kubuntu problem, can you check?
[10:31] <R33D3M33R> trusty offcourse
[10:32] <R33D3M33R> here is something relevant: "Despite kwalletd being the process where the crash occurs, the crash is not kwalletd-related. It seems that your Qt libraries are somewhat corrupt. If in doubt, please file a bug with kubuntu."
[10:33] <R33D3M33R> since 14.04 release is near and kwallet is a vital component of the system, this should have high priority, currently it seems the package is unusable
[10:33] <kdeuser56> R33D3M33R: could you please post a tiny url, as your url is split over many lines
[10:33] <R33D3M33R> or to say it better, it very rarely seems to work
[10:33] <R33D3M33R> sorry, in a moment
[10:34] <R33D3M33R> https://tinyurl.com/q768qns
[10:35] <kdeuser56> R33D3M33R: okay thanks, and which of these bugs are you referrring to?
[10:35] <R33D3M33R> look at the orange ones
[10:35] <R33D3M33R> they are basically duplicates of the same thing
[10:35] <R33D3M33R> but i clicked some of them and they have 14.04 in common
[10:36] <R33D3M33R> all were reported this week
[10:36] <R33D3M33R> and Valentin Rusu says there is something wrong with qtlibs
[10:37] <R33D3M33R> hmm, i just noticed this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-runtime/+bug/1298951
[10:37] <kdeuser56> R33D3M33R: since when do you experience this problems? I have tested trusty last week and never captured this
[10:38] <R33D3M33R> i'm not sure, but it's probably more than 2 weeks
[10:38] <R33D3M33R> i didn't have trusty before
[10:38] <R33D3M33R> it was a clean install
[10:39] <R33D3M33R> actually, a new update has appeared from that launchpad link
[10:39] <R33D3M33R> maybe this is it
[10:41] <kdeuser56> yofel, Riddell, shadeslayer_, ping, please have a look at the issue by  R33D3M33R
[10:47] <kdeuser56> R33D3M33R: but seems indeed to be fixed with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-runtime/+bug/1298951
[10:48] <R33D3M33R> yes, updating right now
[10:48] <kdeuser56> R33D3M33R: but the bug report where valentin rusu said qt would be broken is not related is it?
[10:48] <R33D3M33R> i don't know yet, he said this for my problem, so after reboot we will know if its fixed
[10:53] <kdeuser56> R33D3M33R: did you use gpg backend?
[10:53] <R33D3M33R> no, just simple password
[10:53] <R33D3M33R> brb, reboot
[10:55] <R33D3M33R> ok, upgrade works
[10:55] <R33D3M33R> no more crashes for me :)
[10:55] <kdeuser56> R33D3M33R: fine :-)
[10:56] <R33D3M33R> yeah, i don't know how this was connected to the gpg backend, but ...
[11:22] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:09] <sgclark> Anyone available to review 2 packages?
[16:33] <soee> someone can take a look: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7208434/ ?
[19:54] <alleehol> vHanda: Congrats!  With yesterdays git checkout, I noticed no problem after ~2 hour. Everything is okay: only one _exgatractor process (not up to 40 as before) and the CPU fan is idle
[20:32] <alleehol> vHanda: balooshow with git snapshot only shows ids.  Regardless if _extractor runs or finished: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7209475/
[20:59] <freinhard> can someone confirm working video in ktp-call-ui?
[21:40] <jose> ovidiu-florin: hey! do you have a deadline for the db dump? because I think you wanted to get the page ready before release?
[21:41] <ovidiu-florin> jose: do I have a deadline  for when to have it, or when to use it?
[21:41] <jose> ovidiu-florin: for when to have it
[21:41] <ovidiu-florin> jose: asap
[21:41] <jose> because I can try to speed up the process
[21:42] <jose> but I'd need a deadline (maybe some dates with a roadmap)
[21:43] <ovidiu-florin> I need that as soon as possible
[21:43] <ovidiu-florin> tomorrow if they can
[21:43] <ovidiu-florin> there's a lot of work to be don in migrating the site
[21:44] <ovidiu-florin> done*
[21:44] <jose> I'm going to try and see what can I do
[21:45] <jose> if I have any updates, I'll let you know
[21:45] <ovidiu-florin> jose: can you do it via mail please?
[21:45] <ovidiu-florin> I'm having server issues, and I can't be online on  IRC all the time for the moment


[00:55] <ripps> Okay, can someone help me here. I have program that uses automake-1.11 and vala-0.9.3. I want to backport the package to earlier versions of ubuntu, but vala-0.9.3 isn't supported in older ubuntu's due to glib incompatibility. Is there some way I can get the vala files pregenerated to c before uploading it, without having automake run vala again during building?
[01:07] <Muscovy> When I run debuild -S on a package I made, if it finds the .orig.tar.gz, it produces (package).debian.tar.gz instead of (package).tar.gz. This causes uploads to REVU to fail. What is wrong?
[01:10] <ripps> Muscovy: that's because your package is using dpkg source format 3.0, and REVU is out of date and doesn't support it yet. REVU shouldn't reject it though, it just can't upack the source.
[03:00] <ripps> geez... nobody knows?
[06:19] <micahg> to sponsor an upload, I just sign the source_changes with my key?
[06:22] <wgrant> micahg: Yes. Just 'debsign -kblahblah whatever_source.changes'
[06:23] <micahg> wgrant: ok, I usually sign with debuild -S -sa -kXXXXX
[06:24] <micahg> wgrant: do you know how I can test locally on amd64 for armel?>
[06:25] <wgrant> micahg: You might be able to do some qemu trickery, but I don't really know.
[06:36] <vorian> wgrant: a simple change to devscripts will rid the need to -k your packages
[06:36] <vorian> by hand at least
[06:37] <micahg> vorian: for sponsoring?
[06:37] <lifeless> micahg: persia has some qemu magic
[06:37] <vorian> micahg: yeah
[06:38] <micahg> lifeless: k, I'm trying to get pbuilder to set up a maverick armel instance, we'll see if it works this time
[06:38] <vorian> it's near the middle
[06:38] <vorian> but just plug your 8 digets in there, and your all set
[06:39] <micahg> wgrant: if the tarballs are different between Ubuntu and Debian for a merge, I just use -S -sd?
[06:39] <vorian> under section debsign
[06:42] <micahg> persia: around?
[06:47] <vorian> persia: when you are, i would like to re-join the sponsoring team if you agreeable.
[06:58] <micahg> lifeless: if the tarballs are different between Ubuntu and Debian for a merge, I just use -S -sd?
[08:15] <bilalakhtar> fabrice_sp: You there?
[08:15] <fabrice_sp> Hi bilalakhtar
[08:16] <bilalakhtar> fabrice_sp: Can you take a look at the uswsusp merge? bug #604910
[08:17] <fabrice_sp> not right now: I'm in the middle of something
[08:17] <bilalakhtar> fabrice_sp: ok
[08:31] <fabrice_sp> micahg, ping about bug #568275
[08:31] <fabrice_sp> ?!
[08:31] <fabrice_sp> bug #568275
[08:31] <fabrice_sp> bug 568275
[08:32] <micahg> fabrice_sp: I didn't ask you about it :)
[08:32] <fabrice_sp> wrong description: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mediatomb/+bug/568275
[08:32] <micahg> oh
[08:32] <fabrice_sp> the bot is tired :-)
[08:32] <fabrice_sp> I'm building a media server, and this is affecting me. Can I do something to help you?
[08:33] <micahg> fabrice_sp: why is it wrong?
[08:33] <micahg> fabrice_sp: oh
[08:33] <micahg> fabrice_sp: basically, we need a wrapper for mediatomb so that it can find mozjs which changes path every xul update
[08:36] <fabrice_sp> micahg, hmm, do you have an example of how to write that? In another package, for example..
[08:36] <micahg> fabrice_sp: edbrowse or gxine
[08:37] <fabrice_sp> micahg, ok. I'll check them, then. If I'm able to write that, would you mind reviewing it?
[08:37] <micahg> fabrice_sp: I'd be honored :)
[08:37] <fabrice_sp> :-)
[08:37] <micahg> I sponsored my first package tonight
[08:38] <fabrice_sp> great!
[08:38] <fabrice_sp> you only have to become a MOTU now , then :-)
[08:38] <micahg> heh :), I'm waiting until I have a little more time, I'd end up spending all night sponsoring and never sleep :)
[08:39] <fabrice_sp> lol
[08:39] <fabrice_sp> This is what happened to Stefano (http://hall-of-fame.ubuntu.com/)
[08:39] <fabrice_sp> (in the busiest Sponsors part)
[08:39] <micahg> fabrice_sp: yeah, he's been doing great
[08:40] <fabrice_sp> yep
[08:41] <fabrice_sp> and I don't know if he is sleeping a lot :-)
[08:41] <fabrice_sp> (like bdrung by the way :-) )
[08:42] <micahg> yep
[08:50] <micahg> fabrice_sp: my miro upload failed on sparc and it looks like it's dependency hades
[08:50] <fabrice_sp> micahg, yeah:sparc seems to be in a bad shape
[08:51] <micahg> fabrice_sp: well, glib2.0 doesn't even seem to try to build on it anymotr
[08:51] <micahg> *anymroe
[08:52] <fabrice_sp> looking at the last uploads I did, none build on sparc...
[08:52] <micahg> fabrice_sp: then I had xulrunner fail on armel due to the gcc changes (my theory)
[08:53] <fabrice_sp> that's more strange
[08:53] <micahg> fabrice_sp: yeah, I need to talk to doko
[08:53] <fabrice_sp> you can try building it with qemu
[08:54] <fabrice_sp> in armel, I mean
[08:54] <micahg> fabrice_sp: do you know how?
[08:55] <fabrice_sp> let me check: Stefano gave me some pointers of that
[08:55] <fabrice_sp> s/of/on
[08:58] <fabrice_sp> micahg, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootfsFromScratch
[08:59] <micahg> fabrice_sp: awesome, thanks
[09:02] <fabrice_sp> ;-)
[09:05] <micahg> speaking of sleep, I think I'll do that now :)
[09:07] <fabrice_sp> good night then ;-)
[09:24] <micahg> fabrice_sp: on examining the diff between the current Ubuntu version and the new Ubuntu version for the package I just uploaded, I noticed an instruction in README.Debian which I guess should've been changed in the merge. I missed it when I initially reviewed the patch, should I reupload with the fix?
[09:25] <fabrice_sp> still there?! :-)
[09:25] <micahg> fabrice_sp: unfortunately :(
[09:25] <fabrice_sp> what is this instruction?
[09:25] <micahg> fabrice_sp: just to install xulrunner-1.9.1-dbg which should be xulrunner-1.9.2-dbg for us
[09:27] <fabrice_sp> you can upload an ubuntu2 package, but I'm not sure it's worth an upload
[09:27] <micahg> fabrice_sp: well, that's what I'm wondering :09
[09:27] <micahg> :)
[09:28] <fabrice_sp> I think that somebody that knows README.debian would made the change by himself
[09:28] <micahg> fabrice_sp: there will be another upload, hopefully before beta w/the webkit version of miro
[09:28] <fabrice_sp> s/made/make
[09:28] <micahg> fabrice_sp: makes sense
[09:29] <fabrice_sp> and it's in an eg. sentence, so really not worth an upload
[09:35] <micahg> fabrice_sp: ok, thansk'
[09:35] <micahg> *thanks
[09:35]  * micahg will now double check Ubuntu->Ubuntu diff before sponsoring :)
[09:35] <fabrice_sp> :-)
[12:55] <geser> shadeslayer: are you planing to merge twisted? some twisted-* packages are in depwait on >= 10.1
[12:56] <shadeslayer> geser: uh im quite busy with secret KDE releases right now :P
[12:56] <shadeslayer> so feel free to take
[12:56] <geser> ok
[13:07] <tumbleweed> geser: I suspect twisted is syncable (but testing it now)
[13:08] <geser> tumbleweed: still a merge (changes to postinst)
[13:08] <tumbleweed> geser: those changes are probably no longer relevant
[13:08] <tumbleweed> it changed python-helper
[13:08] <geser> ok
[13:09] <geser> but would that influence the cache files?
[13:10] <tumbleweed> dh_python2 includes the symlink farm in the deb
[13:11] <geser> tumbleweed: the change we still have is "rm -f /usr/lib/python[23].?/*-packages/twisted/plugins/dropin.cache" in rebuild_cache() in the postinst
[13:12] <tumbleweed> geser: I know, I filed the related bug in debian
[13:12] <geser> ok, then I let you do the checking
[13:14] <tumbleweed> geser: well, I guess the simple answer is that people upgrading to lucid don't have python2.5, so we don't need to delete any left over dropin.cache files
[13:14] <tumbleweed> but the deb doesn't contain the dropin.cache files, so these are still going to be an issue in the future
[13:14] <geser> yes, looking at the original bug
[13:15] <geser> would that issue re-appear when we update to python2.7?
[13:15] <tumbleweed> yes, so let's keep it
[13:16] <tumbleweed> (although with any luck doko will sort out this issue in debian before then)
[13:31] <gastly> hi, I've uploaded a package to revu, it uploaded fine but revu gives a warning about "no browsable directory". How can I fix that? :)
[13:31] <tumbleweed> geser: source format 3.0 packages aren't browsable on REVU
[13:32] <tumbleweed> gastly, I mean
[13:32] <gastly> oh, so should I change the source format?
[13:33] <tumbleweed> gastly: you can, but most revu reviewers should know about this, and don't mind
[13:34] <gastly> tumbleweed, ahh ok thanks :)
[13:43] <BlackZ> I ACK'd a sync request for a main package by mistake, I think it's good, can a core-dev please sponsor it? bug #609584
[14:38] <ari-tczew> BlackZ: for sponsoring main packages, please write on #ubuntu-devel
[14:50] <zooko> Folks: how do I request that Ubuntu upgrade a universe package? (I'm the upstream maintainer.)
[14:50] <BlackZ> ari-tczew: I know about that, I thought a core-dev was around
[14:50] <BlackZ> zooko: what's the package?
[14:56] <zooko> tahoe-lafs
[15:02] <BlackZ> zooko: open a bug report against the ubuntu package
[15:06] <gastly> hiya, can someone please review the package gnome-paint? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/gnome-paint :)
[15:14] <zooko> BlackZ: thanks!
[15:14] <iulian> zooko: Hey.  Let me know when you're done and I'll take a look at it.
[15:14] <zooko> iulian: thanks!
[15:15] <geser> gastly: it this a modified package from Debian?
[15:16] <gastly> geser, well it's the same actually, just packaged for ubuntu
[15:16] <geser> then a sync request is enough and it doesn't need to go through revu
[15:18] <gastly> geser, ok, there's a bug in lp #588631 which requested the package :)
[15:21] <geser> gastly: bug updated into a sync request
[15:22] <gastly> geser, thank you very much! :)
[15:29] <zooko> iulian: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tahoe-lafs/+bug/609755
[15:46] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: some main sponsors say #ubuntu-motu is the right place to ask - this channel is about sponsorship in general, ubuntu-devel is about ubuntu development
[16:19] <bluefoxicy> right.
[16:19] <bluefoxicy> Upgrading thunderbird causes a system crash again.
[16:19] <bluefoxicy> bluefox@icebox:~$ ls -d .*thunder*
[16:19] <bluefoxicy> .mozilla-thunderbird  .thunderbird  .thunderbird.upstream
[16:19] <bluefoxicy> What am I missing now?
[16:37]  * fabrice_sp just discovered that sbuild works with schroots also, and dependency installation time is divided by 2?! bye bye lvm!
[17:55] <ScottL> can anyone help test this fix so we can get a package backported to fix a bug in Lucid?
[17:56] <ScottL> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qjackctl/+bug/607914
[17:56] <ScottL> oops, wrong channel
[18:49] <Muscovy> Could someone example what the -2ubuntu6 ending to a package means?
[18:49] <Muscovy> explain*
[18:50] <geser> -2: 2nd revision of the Debian package (for that upstream version), ubuntu6: 6th Ubuntu-specific upload
[18:52] <sebner> huhu geser :)
[18:53] <geser> Hi sebner
[19:12] <zooko> iulian: did you see my reference to tahoe-lafs upgrade ticket?
[19:59] <iulian> zooko: Yea, I was looking for something to sponsor.
[21:39] <geser> tumbleweed: http://packages.qa.debian.org/t/twisted/news/20100725T150420Z.html
[21:45] <ari-tczew> slangasek: ping
[22:09] <tumbleweed> geser: thanks :)


[20:46] <Bashing-om> UWN: Wiki627 up for review and final edits: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue627 :D


[10:21] <LeoNerd> Huh..  :P
[11:39] <jelmer> LeoNerd: same here, based in the UK
[11:39] <LeoNerd> Oh.. huh... I should come say hi then. Me too
[11:40] <jelmer> I'm jelmer@
[11:40] <mgz> this is where you both turn around and go, "there you are"?
[11:41] <fullermd> That's why google keeps 'em chained to their desks; not enough slack to turn around.
[11:46] <vila> Oh, there you are ? :)
[11:47] <jelmer> LeoNerd: we're in shouting distance of each other :)
[11:48] <mariusko> spiv: thx for looking. What really happened was not even a rename, but a simple conflict resolution (that happened bad (maybe similar to add/add in git))
[11:49] <mariusko> spiv: I still haven't got it to understand that it is the same file in revision 38: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mariusko/charms/precise/node-app/trunk/changes
[11:51] <mariusko> Probably would worked better then if one of the feature branch was based on the other
[11:54] <vila> mariusko: Having both branches share history will certainly avoid the file-id conflicts
[11:55] <vila> mariusko: you won't be able to make bzr understand that two file-ids are really the same file, but you can teach it to chose which one you want to track
[11:57] <vila> hmpf, X server crash.., lovely
[12:01] <fullermd> ex-server crash?   :p
[12:03] <mgz> the X server is now an ex-X server?
[12:03] <fullermd> It's not crashed, it's resting.
[12:05] <fullermd> Of course, if he shut it down now, it would be an ex ex X server, and he could make a few bucks off it.
[12:06] <vila> let's see
[12:06] <jelmer> haha
[12:12] <vila> Sorry, the program "Xorg" closed unexpectedly
[12:13] <vila> Your computer does not have enough free memory to automatically analyze the problem and send a report to the developers.
[12:15] <fullermd> See what happens when you run emacs?
[12:17] <vila> hehehe
[15:16] <CcxCZ_> hello, I've done git-import on a repo and now I have empty directory with just .bzr. bzr branches report some branches but I don't know how to get to them
[15:26] <xnox> bzr checkout .
[15:26] <xnox> CcxCZ_: ^
[15:26] <xnox> note the '.'
[15:29] <CcxCZ_> I don't want the default branch though
[15:48] <LarstiQ> CcxCZ_: does git-import give you colocated branches, i.e., bzr checkout co:branch ?
[15:48] <LarstiQ> where branch is the branchname
[15:51] <CcxCZ_> possibly, it used to use directory per branch
[15:52] <CcxCZ_> how do I address colocated branches?
[16:14] <jelmer> CcxCZ_: git-import shouldn't create colocated branches by default. did you use --colocated?
[16:14] <jelmer> (or are you perhaps using an older version that does?)
[16:31] <ccxCZ> not sure about version tbh
[16:32] <jelmer> ccxCZ: does 'bzr branches' list a number of branches?
[16:32] <jelmer> if so, then you are probably using a set of colocated branches
[16:33] <jelmer> it's probably better to avoid that, since the UI support for colocated branches is still fairly limited
[16:35] <ccxCZ> ok. I guess it would be best to upgrade and re-import then
[16:36]  * ccxCZ resolved it in raw git in the meantime
[17:04] <vila> jelmer: bzr branch https://code.google.com/p/selenium trunk
[17:04] <vila> bzr: ERROR: exceptions.KeyError: '2fabdeb9fad1cf7e41c129b65dc98f94cd711ba3'
[17:05] <jelmer> vila: that's a known issue, though there isn't an obvious fix IIRC
[17:05] <vila> jelmer: is there some hope to get that working or is that a known and... hehe, great answer as expected ;)
[17:05] <vila> jelmer: the repo seems to have been svn -> git migrated IIUC
[17:06] <jelmer> vila: that shouldn't matter, there are issues with bzr-git branching from google code IIRC
[17:06] <jelmer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-git/+bug/878085 looks possibly relevant
[17:12] <vila> jelmer: oh, you mean that if I start with a local 'git clone' I will then be able to 'bzr branch' ?
[17:20] <jelmer> vila: actually, that might indeed work
[17:22]  * vila tries
[17:22] <vila> err
[17:22]  * vila try ?
[17:23] <jelmer> "vila tries" is correct, I think
[17:24] <vila> jelmer: thanks ;)
[17:25] <mgz> vila is very trying
[17:33] <spiv> mgz: don't be trite ;)
[17:35] <mgz> :D
[17:46] <vila> spiv: hey !
[17:47] <vila> mgz, spiv : Can I have subtitles ? (not http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3Yi-t2w_gI) ;)
[17:52] <vila> jelmer: it worked
[17:52] <vila> jelmer: so that's a bug between remote and local access right ?
[17:55] <jelmer> vila: yeah
[17:59] <mgz> vila: it's an old joke of the sort teachers might make, on the meaning of "trying" as difficult or annoying :)
[18:00] <mgz> teacher - Why aren't you getting on with your work? pupil - I'm trying! teacher - Yes, you're very trying.
[18:00] <vila> mgz: Oh, I think I get it ;) And "trite" is because it sort of rhymes ?
[18:00] <mgz> it's also 'try-' sounding yes
[18:01] <fullermd> It's enough to make you cry.
[18:11] <jelmer> fullermd is missing on out a wonderful career as a poet..
[18:17] <fullermd> I like to think of it as the rest of the world missing out on my wonderful career as a poet.
[18:17] <fullermd> I'm not entirely sure I'll get universal agreement on that point though.
[18:18] <jelmer> I think you would in particular do well as a "Sinterklaasgedichten"-poet, but I'm not sure how to explain that concept to somebody who is not Dutch.
[18:19] <fullermd> Well, I know what "sinter" means when you apply it to metal.  Sounds fitting to me   ;p
[18:20] <fullermd> I prefer to work in more dignified forms.  Like, the other year as part of some mailing list thread, I wound up having to write a sonnet.  About bologna.
[18:21] <fullermd> The reception wasn't entirely what one might hope for, sadly.  Obviously my compatriots had NO taste.
[18:21] <jelmer> basically, if Santa (Sinterklaas) gives you a gift in the Netherlands he tends to accompany the gift with some sub-par poetry
[18:21] <jelmer> ... in some way relating to you or your naughty activities over the last 12 months
[18:22] <jelmer> fullermd: ah, tough crowd?
[18:23] <fullermd> My genius is constantly underappreciated, sadly.  I'm pretty sure it's a global conspiracy.
[18:26] <mgz> we appreciate it, just not too much, or you'd get big-headed
[18:38] <SunilJoshi> Hi, i am using bzr to get the source code for bugzilla under windows, now i have installed ubuntu and want that i can use the same checked out code while using bzr from ubuntu, can i do this?
[23:58] <fullermd> OK, so, yeah, qlog gets cranky pulling up a 300-some meg diff.


[13:12] <David> שלום
[13:12] <Guest45961> אוף
[13:13] <david123> מישהו אולי  יכול לעזור לי פה בבקשה?
[13:13] <david123> http://ubuntu-il.org/forum/topic/924
[13:13] <david123> אני במצוקה :P
[19:19] <ribhoo> hi all
[19:21] <yuvilio> hey ribhoo
[19:39] <ribhoo> is it always so quite here?
[20:00] <yuvilio> ribhoo: sometimes, depends on when there's a question that peaks someone's interest or if there is a meeting
[20:02] <Spinux> wha?
[20:03] <yuvilio> Spinux: just answering ribhoo's question which was asked before you dropped in
[20:03] <Spinux> aha
[20:03] <Spinux> is there meetings still?
[20:04] <yuvilio> moshe742 or GuySoft, are there still meetings
[20:05] <Spinux> it feels like theres not much more intrest
[20:05] <yuvilio> I think it ebbs and flows
[20:06] <yuvilio> if someone were to bring up an interesting ubuntu or hebrew dev question, it'd probably wake up some dormant life
[20:06] <Spinux> i`m newish
[20:06] <Spinux> never came to a meeting yet
[20:06] <yuvilio> been a while for me
[20:07] <Spinux> how meny years
[20:07] <GuySoft> yuvilio, i have no idea
[20:07] <yuvilio> mmm
[20:07] <GuySoft> yuvilio, im too old i guess - I know all the old people in the club
[20:08] <yuvilio> GuySoft: I guess it's been quiet then
[20:08] <Spinux> is there anymore cool israli irc channels?
[20:09] <GuySoft> yuvilio, I also coined the term "ubuntu on the grass" i dont think they have those anymore
[20:09] <GuySoft> there is #linux-il
[20:09] <yuvilio> GuySoft: hehe
[20:09] <GuySoft> and There is #blender-il that comes and goes
[20:09] <Spinux> #linux-il is kinda sleeping
[20:09] <Spinux> i`ll try blender
[20:10] <yuvilio> blender is app specific
[20:10] <Spinux> ah now i get it
[20:10] <Spinux> the 3d app
[20:10] <yuvilio> yep
[20:13] <Spinux> i`m looking for israli irc channels for a while now
[20:13] <Spinux> i understad its history?
[20:14] <yuvilio> Spinux: i think just dormant more than history
[20:14] <ribhoo> can anyone tell me if LPIC tests worth anything?
[20:14] <yuvilio> ribhoo: they're just one metric among many (like Linux+, etc.)
[20:15] <ribhoo> but does they worth anything in Israel?
[20:17] <yuvilio> ribhoo: probably same as in US.  It depends on the kind of job you want.  If it's as a system admin of some sort, it couldn't hurt.  But if you already have a track record doing it, it might be redundant
[20:18] <Spinux> i`dd like chats in hebrew
[20:18] <Spinux> ah ah sorry lol
[20:18] <Spinux> tou mean the tests
[20:18] <yuvilio> yep
[20:19] <ribhoo> Spinux, is there tests in hebrew for linux?
[20:19] <Spinux> no idea
[20:19] <Spinux> <<<uneducated
[20:19] <yuvilio> http://www.lpi.org/international-affiliates
[20:21] <Spinux> theres a co metrix in israel they should have stuff like that
[20:21] <ribhoo> taking those exams for now, through prometric
[20:22] <Spinux> no i mean like METRIX LTD
[20:23] <Spinux> http://www.matrix.co.il/Pages/default.aspx


[02:15] <Samsagax> hi there
[22:22] <darkphader> what's the difference between "ubuntu desktop" and "ubuntu desktop usb" during install?
[22:30] <valorie> maybe via CD and LiveUSB?


[03:39] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[18:35] <sem> does your version of kubuntu/plasma come with an "up" arrow in Dolphin file manager? I had to add mine manually
[22:10] <arraybolt3> sem: what kind of up arrow? For going up one directory?
[22:11] <sem> Yeah
[22:11] <arraybolt3> Neither my 22.04 machine nor my experimental 24.04 machine have that by default.
[22:11] <arraybolt3> I always just use the breadcrumb at the top.
[22:11] <sem> Not sure what you mean by breadcrumb?
[22:12] <arraybolt3> https://i.imgur.com/HpC4hvJ.png
[22:13] <arraybolt3> (also yes there is an Up button in that snapshot because I went and added one after you said something :P)
[22:13] <arraybolt3> (it wasn't there to begin with)
[22:13] <arraybolt3> each of the words in the circled area are representative of directories and can be clicked on.
[22:13] <arraybolt3> Those are what I usually use to go up.


[19:43] <soee_> mamarley: what was your ppa with latest drivers builds?
[19:44] <mamarley> soee_: ppa:mamarley/staging, but 318.30 isn't there quite yet. :(
[19:45] <soee_> mamarley: ok than im waiting :) Any problems with this version (to package)?
[19:45] <mamarley> I also wouldn't recommend leaving that one enabled, because sometimes I upload completely untested stuff there that might break your system.
[21:49] <soee> mamarley: https://i.imgur.com/QXKnj27.png :)


[00:00] <kad3t> I suppose noone had similar issues or has any ideas of what to try?
[00:08] <kad3t> Let me add that the installation from same medium (USB stick) on a netbook works flawlessly (slowly but steadily). And the only part of documentation with troubleshooting post-installation of ubuntu-gnome points to a different topic (wrong link).
[00:16] <kad3t> As I thought, no help here. Oh well, back to googling then...
[02:48] <amjjawad> darkxst, hi :)
[02:48] <darkxst> amjjawad, hey
[02:49] <amjjawad> my bad, I forgot to ask :( what happened to your flat?
[02:49] <darkxst> getting there, moving in friday
[02:50] <darkxst> though not completely done yet
[02:50] <amjjawad> so, you didn't move yet?
[02:50] <darkxst> no
[02:50] <darkxst> power only got connected yesterday
[02:51] <amjjawad> Oh
[02:51] <amjjawad> must be hard :( I should know as I moved so many times in a year
[02:55] <darkxst> amjjawad, building the thing has been hard, moving will be easy
[02:56] <amjjawad> building?
[02:56] <amjjawad> you're building your new place? O_o
[02:58] <darkxst> yes
[02:58] <amjjawad> Oh O_o
[02:59] <amjjawad> that must be really hard :(
[02:59] <amjjawad> is that cheaper than renting?
[03:01] <darkxst> well yes, because my work is my rent, I sms'd you some pics
[03:01] <amjjawad> do you have Whatsapp?
[03:10] <amjjawad> and I didn't get any sms yet
[03:25] <darkxst> amjjawad, no whatsapp
[03:31] <amjjawad> darkxst, got it :D
[03:31] <amjjawad> are you building yourself?
[03:33] <darkxst> amjjawad, yes I have done everything
[03:33] <darkxst> well except power and plumbing
[03:33] <amjjawad> WOW
[03:33] <amjjawad> so building is cheaper
[03:33] <amjjawad> good to know
[03:43] <darkxst> amjjawad, depends if you have cheap labour! tradies aren't cheap
[03:53] <BHSPiMonkey> Does anyone else get completely locked out of gnome-shell from time to time on 14.10?
[03:54] <BHSPiMonkey> Quite often for me (every couple days or so), I'll try to wake the screen only to have the lock screen refuse to unlock after taking my password, or just a black screen with a working mouse cursor
[03:56] <BHSPiMonkey> I'll kill gnome-shell from a different tty which restores my access to running programs (the ones that are at the top of the window stack, at least), but then running "gnome-shell --replace" just brings back the problem state. I'm generally forced to start up a different wm to continue my work
[03:58] <darkxst> BHSPiMonkey, I don't know what is causing your problem
[03:58] <darkxst> but if you do 'metacity --replace' in the tty
[03:58] <Metacity> ?
[03:58] <darkxst> and then 'gnome-shell  --repalce' back in your xsession
[03:58] <darkxst> it will work
[03:59] <BHSPiMonkey> metacity isn't distributed with ubuntu-gnome 14.10
[03:59] <darkxst> install it!
[03:59] <darkxst> BHSPiMonkey, i.e you can't launch gnome-shell from a different tty/VT
[04:02] <darkxst> Metacity, metacity was the old gnome2 window manager
[04:02] <darkxst> but sure we discussed that before!
[04:02] <Metacity> darkxst: Yes, that's where my nick comes from. ;)
[04:02] <BHSPiMonkey> darkxst: I tested your theory, but it makes no difference
[04:03] <darkxst> though its obsolete now! maybe you should rename to mutter ;)
[04:03] <BHSPiMonkey> I am able to successfully start most any other wm (openbox and metacity with --replace both work), but when I try to 'gnome-shell --replace' again I lose window decorations and everything is non-interactive
[04:04] <darkxst> BHSPiMonkey, you are starting gnome-shell from within X session in gnome-terminal or similar?
[04:04] <darkxst> ^(re-starting)
[04:04] <BHSPiMonkey> Unfortunately, when gnome gets into this state, I don't know of any way to unfuck it without restarting gdm
[04:04] <BHSPiMonkey> darkxst: yes, and/or from a tty with DISPLAY=:0 set
[04:04] <darkxst> I just told you how
[04:05] <BHSPiMonkey> darkxst: I've tried cycling to another wm and back. I even tried it with metacity as you suggested a minute ago. No difference
[04:05] <darkxst> BHSPiMonkey, no you can't do it from a tty, it won't pick up the auth channel to gdm
[04:05] <BHSPiMonkey> Well I just did it within gnome-terminal and the result was the same
[04:05] <darkxst> if the lock screen takes your password but fails to authenitcate it show
[04:05] <darkxst> s/show/should
[04:06] <BHSPiMonkey> At this moment, I'm not experiencing the lock screen issue
[04:06] <darkxst> what is the problem then?
[04:06] <BHSPiMonkey> What happened this evening was: using GNOME, screen turned off (possibly idle), tried to wake computer, black screen with working mouse cursor came on
[04:07] <darkxst> BHSPiMonkey, any crash logs
[04:07] <BHSPiMonkey> Couldn't see anything but the mouse, cycled to tty1 and back, no effect. Went to tty1, killed gnome-shell, back to tty7, could see my windows again (but with no decorations obviously)
[04:08] <BHSPiMonkey> Tried restarting gnome-shell a number of different ways, but each time I do, I can see my programs but everything is frozen/non-interactive and I have to kill it again
[04:08] <darkxst> logs?
[04:08] <darkxst> a black screen probably means gnome-shell crashed
[04:09] <darkxst> (though it should usualy respawn when the happens)
[04:12] <BHSPiMonkey> darkxst: http://pastie.org/private/naflwjxragpmdr1hgyjzq
[04:14] <BHSPiMonkey> That syslog output appears constantly though, even during normal use
[04:18] <BHSPiMonkey> Notably, when the screen was black, I could hear the volume indicator sound effects when hitting my volume keys
[04:19] <BHSPiMonkey> So GNOME was still processing input
[04:36] <darkxst> BHSPiMonkey, ~/.cache/upstart/gnome-session-GNOME.log
[04:38] <darkxst> BHSPiMonkey, if you realy want to restart gnome-shell from a tty you need to use second snippet from http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:R_giJsdN1mEJ:https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeShell/Debugging+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au
[04:38] <darkxst> (it won't work when screen is locked though)
[05:39] <amjjawad> darkxst, Optus is giving me hard time :(
[05:39] <darkxst> amjjawad, mobile? switch to telstra prepaid ;)
[05:39] <amjjawad> so slow internet and not sure why
[05:39] <amjjawad> No, internet
[05:39] <darkxst> or adsl?
[05:40] <amjjawad> I'm using Vodaphone
[05:40] <amjjawad> I have cable
[05:40] <darkxst> amjjawad, oh that is the problem optus cable network is a trash can
[05:40] <amjjawad> Ohhhhh
[05:40] <amjjawad> :'(
[05:40] <amjjawad> on speedtest.net, I see it is more than 50Mbps
[05:40] <amjjawad> but when I use it, it is crap
[05:41] <darkxst> telstra cable network is much better designed (a little more expensive though)
[05:41] <amjjawad> yeah, heard that too
[05:41] <darkxst> speedtest is not very accurate
[05:41] <amjjawad> yes but it is way more than the 8Mbps I had before I come here
[05:41] <amjjawad> and with only 8Mbps, I was super fine
[05:42] <darkxst> optus cable is way overloaded
[05:42] <darkxst> and due the design its almost impossible for them to upgrade it
[05:42] <amjjawad> Oh
[05:43] <amjjawad> Well, they're giving me hard time
[05:43] <amjjawad> specially at night
[05:43] <amjjawad> I feel like the whole city is sharing my internet
[05:43] <amjjawad> SO slow
[05:43] <darkxst> that sounds exactly like congestion!!! I would switch to bigpond cable if its available there
[05:43] <amjjawad> yes
[05:44] <darkxst> I had that for 10 years
[05:44] <amjjawad> it feels like there are 10 million users are using it
[05:44] <amjjawad> I had fiber optic before I come here
[05:44] <amjjawad> 8Mbps but super crazy fast
[05:44] <darkxst> once they upgraded the network to 100Mbps, I was getting 12-14MBps
[05:44] <amjjawad> I don't mind to get less speed but I need more stable line
[05:45] <amjjawad> a line when I open google.com, I can see and get the page :( not wait ...
[05:45] <darkxst> there is probably nothing optus can do
[05:45] <darkxst> their network is like a daisy-chain of stringline telephones!
[05:46] <amjjawad> hm
[05:46] <amjjawad> the whole infrastructure must be changed
[05:46] <darkxst> they only built it to chase down telstra cable
[05:46] <darkxst> amjjawad, wont happen, NBN is taking over it
[05:46] <amjjawad> I see
[05:46] <darkxst> not sure what they will do with a useless network though
[05:46] <amjjawad> I heard and read about it
[05:47] <amjjawad> trash it maybe
[05:47] <amjjawad> I still feel super bad when I saw someone is trashing an old PC the other day
[05:47] <darkxst> maybe they just wanted it for the customers (or Turnbull is more clueless that I thought)
[05:47] <amjjawad> but NBN will take more years to come
[05:47] <amjjawad> or being fully implemented
[05:48] <darkxst> it may bever come
[05:48] <darkxst> never
[05:48] <amjjawad> hahahah
[05:48] <amjjawad> damn
[05:48] <amjjawad> that's bad :D
[05:48] <amjjawad> should I run? :P
[05:48] <darkxst> telstra/bigpond cable if you can
[05:48] <amjjawad> darkxst, thanks for the pictures, that looked great :D well done
[05:48] <amjjawad> bigpond is a company? or a type of connection?
[05:48] <darkxst> bigpond is part of telstra
[05:49] <amjjawad> I see
[05:49] <darkxst> https://www.telstra.com.au/broadband/home-broadband#service-qualifier
[05:50] <darkxst> the only problem I ever had with their cable was the crippled upload speeds ;( 2.4 Mbps
[05:50] <amjjawad> same here
[05:51] <amjjawad> my upload is 1Mbps
[05:51] <darkxst> oh and when our cable got cut, that was a problem ;(
[05:52] <darkxst> like the black cables that feed it, literally cut right though, and the lady on the phone insisted that I needed to reboot the modem
[05:53] <amjjawad> hahaha
[05:53] <amjjawad> tell me about that
[05:53] <amjjawad> that's why I don't like to call
[05:53] <darkxst> however telstra have awesome customer service if you go via twitter/FB
[05:53] <darkxst> Aussie teams handle that
[05:53] <darkxst> where as some call centres are still OS
[05:54] <amjjawad> I have experience with call centers
[05:54] <amjjawad> so far, for 10 years, I haven't seen any good call center like the one I used to be in
[05:54] <amjjawad> clients were refusing to talk to anyone except me
[05:54] <darkxst> telstra has some good call centers in Aus
[05:55] <amjjawad> I have a certificate for best call quality
[05:55] <darkxst> and also some bad (probably sub-contracted ones)
[05:55] <amjjawad> that's why they charge more
[05:55] <darkxst> I think the good ones, are run by telstra
[05:56] <amjjawad> I'll check the link you sent, thanks and who knows? maybe I switch
[05:56] <darkxst> and they aren't renewing any contracts for OS ones, but guess the contracts are still running
[05:56] <amjjawad> Optus were fast to reply me on twitter and g+
[05:56] <darkxst> amjjawad, its the best internet available in Aus, unless you are one of the few thousand that can get fibre
[05:56] <darkxst> via NBN
[05:56] <amjjawad> by the way, I needed to ask you something: if a user wishes to have a super simple server at his/her home, is there any kind of permission for that?
[05:57] <darkxst> amjjawad, that is fine, no permission required
[05:57] <darkxst> however bigpond cable (and probably optus) only have dynamic IP's
[05:58] <darkxst> so you need to use dyndns or similar
[05:58] <darkxst> and actually I have moved all my server stuff into the cloud, its cheaper than running a 2nd machine!
[05:58] <amjjawad> I see
[05:58] <amjjawad> cheaper in what exactly?
[05:59] <amjjawad> but, IIRC, servers need static IP, correct?
[05:59] <darkxst> depends what you are doing
[06:00] <darkxst> https://www.binarylane.com.au/
[06:00] <darkxst> is what I use currently
[06:00] <darkxst> but things like email/dns absolutely need static ip
[06:01] <darkxst> web servers and things like that are fine on dynamic ip with suitable resolution service
[06:03] <amjjawad> I see
[06:03] <amjjawad> it is a basic file and maybe web server
[06:06] <amjjawad> I have 2 very old machines (desktop) and I'm thinking instead of breathing dust to get them to server with being a server and take that as a chance to learn more about servers .. so, will go for the most basic servers to learn and use that for my daily usage
[06:08] <darkxst> amjjawad, that will cost more in power than a simple binarylane vps would
[06:08] <amjjawad> Really?
[06:08] <amjjawad> so a higher bill
[06:09] <amjjawad> hmm
[06:09] <darkxst> I pay $15 p/m
[06:09] <amjjawad> + you need to trust them
[06:09] <darkxst> not had a problem with them
[06:10] <darkxst> and servers are in Aus, so no horrible latency
[06:10] <amjjawad> for me, I just want to learn
[06:10] <amjjawad> no urgent need
[06:10] <darkxst> amjjawad, either way still easier and cheaper!
[06:11] <darkxst> you can install ubuntu server image in about 2 mins
[06:11] <amjjawad> on a cloud?
[06:11] <darkxst> yes its a vps
[06:11] <amjjawad> damn, I have a server already O_o what is wrong with me hehe
[06:11] <amjjawad> oh wait, that is Kibo's server
[06:12] <darkxst> US/Eu servers are horrible from here, if you just want to play
[06:13] <darkxst> often up to 0.5 sec latency
[06:13] <darkxst> try typing in a ssh shell with that ;)
[06:13] <darkxst> anyway gtg go to the shops be back in a bit
[06:17] <amjjawad> tyt
[14:35] <LinDol> hi all


[14:14] <eylul> OvenWerks: are you here by any chance?
[14:14] <OvenWerks> Aye
[14:15] <OvenWerks> just walked in
[14:15] <eylul> perfect. ok so for the 2 screen setup do you need one 2-screen wallpaper :)
[14:15] <eylul> or 2 separate ones
[14:15] <eylul> I created 2 separate ones now I am suddenly unsure :D
[14:15] <OvenWerks> No, I can have either a really long skinny one or two normal ones.
[14:15] <eylul> ok I am going to go with 2 normal ones
[14:16] <eylul> because that also allows people who put their screens differently to use them
[14:16] <OvenWerks> The left and right can be set separately
[14:16] <eylul> I just wasn't sure if there was a clear advantage to having one over another
[14:16] <eylul> yeah that's what I do, but I haven't used xfce in a while
[14:16] <eylul> :)
[14:16] <OvenWerks> Having two allows other than side by side. some people are top and bottom.
[14:17] <eylul> <--- uses top and bottom
[14:17] <OvenWerks> (not sure if they use top as main or bottom as main)
[14:17] <eylul> (also different resolution screens. one is a cintiq)
[14:17] <eylul> I use top as main, bottom as drawing area
[14:17] <OvenWerks> That is common in graphics, old one for tools and good new one for drawing
[14:18] <eylul> yup
[14:18] <eylul> it has to do with how you place drawing screens too
[14:18] <eylul> but I assume still majority of people do 2 screens side by side
[14:19] <eylul> either way, ok 2 separate items it is. I did look into fixes thomas asked for. About to type email on it :) but I think these should be ready to upload later tonight
[14:19] <OvenWerks> Once you go to three screens one ends up on top... or the graphic driver won't handle it
[14:19] <eylul> which is the other thing. are you around tonight or tomorrow sometime?
[14:20] <eylul> that I didn't know
[14:20] <eylul> o.O
[14:20] <eylul> I use a laptop, limit is 2 screens anyway
[14:20] <OvenWerks> it is 720 am here and I will be around till 2100 my time
[14:20] <eylul> oh ok
[14:21] <OvenWerks> I won't have my eyes focused on irc though
[14:21] <eylul> mostly I'll probably need help putting the thing on distro
[14:21] <eylul> I actually never done it before
[14:21] <eylul> this is probably a good excuse to learn it
[14:21] <OvenWerks> I can upload but I can't release, that would be ross
[14:22] <eylul> I think I have upload access
[14:22] <eylul> I just don't know how, and should probably learn
[14:22] <OvenWerks> we used to ask micahg but I don't think he still has rights or time.
[14:22] <eylul> fairly certain ross and sakrecoer are the ones who has access to it
[14:23] <OvenWerks> for Ross I think best to send email
[14:23] <eylul> *nods*
[14:25]  * OvenWerks needs to do a bug for cpufrequtils sometime today
[14:25] <eylul> I'll probably be gone for.. uhhh
[14:25] <eylul> my evening
[14:26] <eylul> I will be back for a few hours at least starting 6 hours from now
[14:26] <eylul> timezones :))
[14:26] <OvenWerks> I used to keep a UTC clock going... but these days Manilla seems to be the thing
[14:27] <OvenWerks> (where the outlaws live)
[19:30] <OvenWerks> Ok, after some of the comments on here, I thought I should try vanilla actually installed.
[19:33] <OvenWerks> Nautilus, I assume that is the file "manager" in use is horrible. It has no menu... or one so tiny and useless and it may as well not have one. It has no up directory button, when browsing a remote computer, you can go anywhere on the disk when it is first opened, but when you open to that system the next time, it opens in the user's home direcory
[19:34] <OvenWerks> but with no up directory button it is impossible to get back to the original directory logged in to.
[19:34] <OvenWerks> The two session options are ubuntu and ubuntu on wayland... I have yet to check the second....
[19:35] <OvenWerks> no preferences... not even an about so you can check what version it is.
[19:36] <OvenWerks> Ah, I can get that from the dock
[19:37] <OvenWerks> it wants me to restart again, (like windows?)
[19:42] <OvenWerks> ubuntu on wayland is not gnome screen as someone suggested.
[19:43] <OvenWerks> wayland does not know what way my monitors are set up, Xorg knew this somehow or defaulted correctly.
[19:44] <OvenWerks> I had to change both the the monitors and primary display
[19:45] <studio-devel136> help
[19:45] <OvenWerks> One thing I did find is that it is possible to group application in the show applications section
[19:45] <OvenWerks> help is on #ubuntustudio
[19:46] <OvenWerks> this channel is for helping develop Studio
[19:47] <studio-devel136> Hola, no hablo inglés pero el traductor de chrome me ayuda, estoy probando ubuntu studio
[19:47] <OvenWerks> english please
[19:58] <OvenWerks> The mouse work in vanilla to go to the next workspace is yucky... left side of the screen to show workspaces, right side to choose. Not made to be used often.
[20:09] <OvenWerks> anyway, I have now installed Gno-menu which looks ok, and am now putting some Studio metas in place
[20:25] <OvenWerks> hmm, I managed to freeze things sort of. Got to no keyboard entry :/
[20:27] <OvenWerks> Anyway with the gno-menu, our menu file, an adition fix to the system menu file :) the menu looks sort of like whisker... so do able. We could probably do like we do now with a subdirectory of /etc/xdg/ for a studio login if we wanted to use this.
[20:31] <OvenWerks> Another way of fixing things would be to create a menu launcher that can be added to the dock rather than the top bar/panel/whatever
[20:48] <OvenWerks> Theres an option I like: Never prompt or start programs on media insertion
[20:48] <OvenWerks> It allows switching back and forth very easliy
[21:01] <ErichEickmeyer> !es
[21:01] <OvenWerks> ErichEickmeyer: he is already gone
[21:01] <ErichEickmeyer> Yeah, I just saw that. Oh well...
[21:01] <OvenWerks> he was in the wrong place anyway
[21:02] <ErichEickmeyer> Yeah, either way that little command there is super handy.
[21:02] <OvenWerks> so long as you happen to know all the language codes.
[21:02] <ErichEickmeyer> True. I think it's listed somewhere, but idk off the top of my head.
[21:05] <ErichEickmeyer> OvenWerks: The way I see it, we cannot adapt Gnome Shell to behave like Xfce, so we shouldn't try. The only thing I see we can do is do custom theming with that, and then it's up to the user to customize it to their liking. That's just my 2c.
[21:06] <ErichEickmeyer> If anything, offer it as an option alongside the other DEs, but I wouldn't consider that one a priority.
[21:06] <OvenWerks> It's not bad
[21:06] <ErichEickmeyer> Oh, it's not bad by any means. In fact, there are aspects of it I quite enjoy.
[21:07] <OvenWerks> If someone enjoys the way it works there are not many things to add or subtract to make it a bit better
[21:08] <ErichEickmeyer> That's true. There are some pretty neat things in https://extensions.gnome.org as well.
[21:08] <OvenWerks> Just adding a menu makes looking to see what is on the system easier.
[21:08] <OvenWerks> Having things split up helps too.
[21:09] <OvenWerks> Knowing that gimp is a graphic application is better than just knowing you have gimp for example.
[21:09] <ErichEickmeyer> Yeah, definitely. From the perspective of a GNOME user, simply hitting super and then typing the name or category you're looking for would be the workflow as opposed to fishing through a menu.
[21:10] <OvenWerks> once you know what is there that is true, but someone who loads a Studio meta doesn't really know what they have
[21:11] <ErichEickmeyer> Yep, which is why customizing Ubuntu Mate Welcome's software botique to Studio would be invaluable, since you can list included apps there.
[21:11] <OvenWerks> I personally have found I almost never find what I want using a search, my ideas of what to search for and the rest of the world seems to be different
[21:11] <OvenWerks> So even for the avid search engin user, the menu is a backup.
[21:14] <OvenWerks> Studio, with all applications installed, is messy and has too many applications to go wandering through to look for something. As a desktop for normal computer use... who really needs a menu?
[21:18] <ErichEickmeyer> That's true. Pretty much every DE aside from Gnome Shell has a menu that is also searchable. BTW, I think my next attempt will be to use Studio with LXQt on Simon Quigley's recommendation.
[21:19] <OvenWerks> is there a flavour with lxqt? I thought lubuntu was still lzde
[21:19] <OvenWerks> *lxde
[21:20] <ErichEickmeyer> 18.04 will be Lubuntu's last LXDE, since LXDE and RazorQt merged to form LXQt. They're releasing Lubuntu Next this cycle which uses LXQt, but 18.10 will be completely LXQt.
[21:21] <OvenWerks> cool, I will have to look at it, lubuntu always had an unfinished feel to me.
[21:22] <ErichEickmeyer> Same. I'll be looking at it as well. Simon told me that a Qt-based DE is easier to maintain.
[21:23] <OvenWerks> Ya, that was their reason for going in that direction. From what I have heard, I agree
[21:24] <OvenWerks> gtk2 to gtk3 is not an easy task and has cost the audio comunity some great SW
[21:24] <ErichEickmeyer> With that in mind, it might be cool to transition to LXQt from Xfce for the install ISOs, but give a choice of DE as well.
[21:24] <ErichEickmeyer> choice of DE as part of the install.
[21:24] <OvenWerks> will have to see what it is like.
[21:25] <ErichEickmeyer> Yeah. My reasoning would be that LXQt has a smaller footprint than Xfce and, therefore, would make the ISO smaller.
[21:25] <OvenWerks> VFWM?
[21:25] <ErichEickmeyer> Now let's not get carried away.... XD
[21:26] <OvenWerks> sorry fvwm
[21:26] <ErichEickmeyer> I knew what you meant. :)
[21:26] <ErichEickmeyer> If we wanna get real lightweight and alienate our community... TWM.
[21:27] <OvenWerks> Tab is not so nice, I would take motif over that
[21:27] <ErichEickmeyer> haha
[21:28]  * OvenWerks used motif on a microvax at work....
[21:28] <ErichEickmeyer> My condolances?
[21:28] <OvenWerks> It was as good as win NT
[21:29] <OvenWerks> The microvax was at least real time capable
[21:29] <OvenWerks> We used it for machine control.
[21:29] <ErichEickmeyer> Huh. Interesting. Makes sense for an embedded system for sure.
[21:30] <OvenWerks> 100 foot long sorting machine
[21:30] <OvenWerks> media belt travels at 3meters/sec or so
[21:31] <ErichEickmeyer> Oh wow.
[22:57] <OvenWerks> gnome-tweaks is the package to have in gnome-screen. I am not sure why Vanilla fails to ship with this, it is like the other half of settings that should have been included in the first place
[22:58] <OvenWerks> I can have static or dynamic workspaces... workspaces on primary display only or workspaces span displays.
[23:02] <captain-tux> Anecdotal guess: Most common users aren't concerned with any of this.
[23:03] <OvenWerks> 5 people use work spaces...
[23:05] <OvenWerks> workspaces span displays does not seem to mean what I think it should
[23:06] <captain-tux> What does it mean there?
[23:07] <OvenWerks> It seems to mean that the second display shows all the apps on that display in any workspace and I have to choose it
[23:07] <OvenWerks> or choose the one I want
[23:07] <OvenWerks> So twice the work, pick left then pick right
[23:10] <OvenWerks>  Indicators sort of work... if I start qjckctl it's indicator does show up (+1) but all it does is show the window on double click, it does not show the indicator menu. So we have gone from a very usable systray where right click and left click could have two different menus, to indicators that could only have one menu... to indicators that have been gelded once again to no menus :P
[23:15] <OvenWerks> Ah, if I choose left first, right follows


[00:10] <jono> stas, around?
[00:10] <stas> jono: yep
[00:10] <jono> stas, quick q:
[00:11] <jono> does your theme support layout like the grey boxes on http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop?
[00:11] <stas> i'm still working on romanian translation for wordpress, got overwhelmed a bit so left it behind
[00:11] <jono> no worries
[00:11] <stas> jono: I can add those if you want
[00:11] <jono> that would be sweet
[00:11] <jono> thanks!
[00:11] <stas> cause the slider has them
[00:12] <stas> though the slider has no transitions like those
[00:12] <jono> ahhh
[00:12] <jono> no worries
[00:13] <stas> also update your local branch, I added some more styles, looks like I missed trackbacks stuff, search page and 404 pages
[00:15] <stas> jono: you're doing right, except dont newline after each img
[00:15] <stas> the slider "jumps" the image
[00:17] <jono> cool will do
[00:19] <jono> cool fixes that :)
[00:29] <stas> jono: update the branch, say if its ok, or you need exactly the same slider arrows as on ubuntu.com
[00:30] <stas> also, did you check the video I published?
[00:32] <jono> stas, I think the automatic sliding is quite nice
[00:32] <jono> but to also include the arrows
[00:32] <jono> I think if we can model it on ubuntu.com, that wouildbe awesome
[00:32] <jono> not check the vid yet, just been really hectic working on the site
[00:33] <stas> ok, tell me if added arrows are ok
[00:33] <jono> can you add the same ones from ubuntu.com on the slider?
[00:34] <jono> with the white rounded bitd
[00:34] <jono> bits
[00:34] <stas> yes, am I allowed? :)
[00:34] <stas> I mean copyright and stuff
[00:36] <jono> hmm good questions
[00:36] <jono> leave it for now
[00:36] <jono> we can tweak that later
[00:36] <stas> yep, thats just details
[00:41] <cjohnston> newz2000: yay for clearning bugs!
[00:45] <jono> sorry got disconnected
[00:50] <MTecknology> cjohnston: killing bugs is indeed awesome
[01:01] <jono_> stas, it seems the slider images are not the full widgth and a bit is chopped off
[01:01] <jono_> see http://developer.recreantview.org/
[01:03] <stas> jono_: looking at it, though I it works ok for me localy
[01:03] <jono_> odd
[01:04] <MTecknology> that looks nice
[01:05] <stas> jono_: try setting up a width
[01:05] <jono_> stas, ahhh will do
[01:05] <jono_> stas, also a subpage doesnt show the sub-nav elements - see http://developer.recreantview.org/applicationdevelopers/the-stack/ as an example
[01:06] <jono_> that is a subpage of app developers
[01:06] <stas> does it have chilren?
[01:06] <stas> child pages?
[01:08] <jono_> the subpage doesnt
[01:08] <jono_> so it is:
[01:08] <jono_> app developers
[01:08] <jono_>    thestack
[01:08] <jono_> app developers shows the children
[01:09] <stas> ok, so you want it to show the parents?
[01:09] <jono_> but thestack doesnt show its siblings
[01:09] <cjohnston> jono_: did you see my message in community-team before you pinged out?
[01:09] <jono_> cjohnston, nope
[01:09] <stas> jono_: ok, let me look at it
[01:10] <cjohnston> jono: fwiw take a peek at bug 256615 when you get a moment please.. just as a heads up
[01:10] <jono_> thanks stas
[01:10] <jono_> cjohnston, can I look at it later, I am kind of in the thick of things right now
[01:10] <jono_> is it urgent?
[01:11] <cjohnston> nope.. its reference to the community contribute pages.. I commented that we are working on redoing them.. wasnt sure if you would want to comment to let them know also..
[01:11] <jono_> ahhh cool
[01:11] <jono_> your comment should be fine
[01:11] <cjohnston> :-)
[01:11] <jono_> thanks :)
[01:13] <jono_> stas, setting width doesnt seem to fix the slider issue btw
[01:19] <jono_> stas, quick q - when do you think your ETA on the grey box layout might be?
[01:19] <stas> im working on it now
[01:19] <stas> trying some stuff
[01:20] <stas> why? any deadlines?
[01:21] <cjohnston> stas: sorry I haven't been around to help you with LP merges and such, but it seems like mhall119 is helping out with it...
[01:22] <stas> cjohnston: its ok, its good jono_ has some time for testing the branch
[01:22] <jono_> stas, ahhh cool
[01:22] <cjohnston> cool
[01:22] <jono_> stas, I have general site deadline of next week for this site
[01:22] <jono_> so soon would be awesome
[01:22] <jono_> thanks stas
[01:22] <stas> also newz2000  said he will try it tomorrow/today
[01:24] <mhall119> cjohnston: happy to help out
[01:26] <cjohnston> :-)
[02:00] <stas> jono_: check now pages
[02:00]  * stas took a while to test some different trees
[02:00] <jono_> stas, check what?
[02:00] <stas> bzr pull
[02:01] <jono_> one sec
[02:02] <jono_> stas, hmm not working for me
[02:02] <jono_> as an example go to http://developer.recreantview.org/applicationdevelopers/
[02:02] <jono_> now click The Stack
[02:02] <jono_> it should keep those options in the grey box
[02:02] <jono_> but it changes to app devs
[02:03] <stas> you mean show up the same level pages?
[02:03] <jono_> yeah
[02:03] <stas> one sec
[02:03] <jono_> cheers, I am going to have to run, but will check back later
[02:04] <jono_> thanks stas, sorry I have a meeting now
[02:14] <stas> jono_: when you get back try again
[02:21] <stas> jono_: about the slider, one of the images is > 940px, this overflows the visible content and you aint gonna see that, but slider gets wider, and the arrow gets half hidden. you need or to set the width of the .slider div to a max 940px or to resize the images so they fit
[07:34] <jono_> stas, around?
[14:42] <MTecknology> how is everyone?
[14:45] <knome> MTecknology, re: email list; neither did it have nothing to do with ubuntu websites either.
[14:45] <mhall119> in need of more coffee
[14:48] <MTecknology> knome: it did indeed - check where that thread started
[14:48] <MTecknology> mhall119: sounds tasty - the coffee we get here is terrible
[14:48] <knome> MTecknology, imo the conversation pretty much did not relate to ubuntu websites after the first message
[14:49] <mhall119> MTecknology: I'm currently finishing my home-brew
[14:49] <MTecknology> knome: but that's your opinion
[14:50] <MTecknology> mhall119: I used to bring a thermos to work - i think i might start doing that again - get away from the pop
[14:50] <knome> MTecknology, of course. i'd say file a bug against the issue if you think it's wrong. if not, then let it be.
[14:51] <MTecknology> knome: I think you should reread that thread..
[14:51] <knome> MTecknology, as i said, file a bug or let it be.
[14:52] <MTecknology> knome: I think you're either confused or lost
[14:53] <knome> MTecknology, no, i expressed my opinion, and i'm fine with the fact you might disagree.
[14:53] <MTecknology> knome: is there anything else?
[14:54] <knome> MTecknology, no.
[14:54] <knome> MTecknology, did i say there was?
[14:55] <MTecknology> mhall119: what kind of coffee?
[15:00] <mhall119> MTecknology: Folgers ;)
[15:00] <MTecknology> mhall119: none other tastes better, huh?
[15:00] <mhall119> not at 7:00am
[15:01] <mhall119> since Starbucks disapproves of me showing up in my pajamas for that first cup
[15:01] <MTecknology> startsmucks? :P
[15:01] <MTecknology> s/rt/r/
[15:01] <mhall119> also, pedestrians don't like my pre-coffee driving
[15:03] <MTecknology> i don't like most peoples driving any time of day
[15:03] <MTecknology> it's scary
[15:17] <MTecknology> Drupal doesn't want to let me show the permissions settings page on a site i'm working on....
[15:17] <MTecknology> Something about loading >8,000 checkboxes makes it want to eat up a lot of memory..
[15:20] <MTecknology> stas`: hi
[15:23] <mhall119> drupal needs to quit whining
[15:25] <MTecknology> mhall119: :P I can only imagne what it takes to render 8,300 check boxes when each one is a permission
[15:25] <mhall119> that's a lot of permissions
[15:26] <MTecknology> it is indeed
[15:27] <mhall119> reminds me of Active Directory's ACLs
[15:27] <MTecknology> This is a massive website - The last I checked it was at ~1.5 mil LoC
[15:27] <mhall119> yuck
[15:27] <MTecknology> eh- that brings back nightmares of windows admin
[15:28] <mhall119> I actually got Win2k certifications....
[15:28] <mhall119> which I never used
[15:28] <mhall119> same with my Cisco certs
[15:28] <mhall119> waste of money
[15:28] <MTecknology> I have no certs
[15:28] <mhall119> but I got college credits for passing them
[15:28] <mhall119> so I guess not such a waste
[15:29] <MTecknology> nice
[15:29] <MTecknology> I have 4 classes left - taking 2 now
[15:29] <mhall119> this was back in 2000/2001
[15:29] <mhall119> while I was getting my AS degree
[15:30] <mhall119> and when Microsoft certifications seemed like a good idea
[15:32] <MTecknology> want to help me finish this website?
[15:32] <mhall119> the one with 8000 permissions?
[15:33] <stas`> MTecknology: hey
[15:33] <MTecknology> ya- it'll be fun
[15:33] <stas`> hey guys
[15:33] <stas`> hows going?
[15:33] <MTecknology> it's grand and exciting - you?
[15:33] <stas`> at school got some stuff to solve :/
[15:34] <stas`> !time
[15:34] <ubot4> Information about using and setting your computer's clock on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuTime - See https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/NTP.html for information on usage of the Network Time Protocol (NTP)
[15:34] <mhall119> MTecknology: only if you'll help me figure out this ExtJS stuff
[15:35] <stas`> MTecknology: whats your position about drupal7?
[15:38] <MTecknology> stas`: it's a new version of drupal, it's really shiny, i like that most bugs are going away, it's not yet ready for developing on for most things - pretty broad opinion, it's been a little while since i touched it
[15:38] <MTecknology> no strong feelings about it really
[15:43] <MTecknology> stas`: you play with it any?
[15:49] <stas`> MTecknology: nope, thats why was asking :)
[16:11] <akgraner> stas`, I was speaking with newz2000 and he suggested I pop in here  - I am going to make some notes re the mock-up about what we'd like the fridge to be... and he said you could help with all that as well :-)  so I wanted to just say hi!
[16:11] <akgraner> and let you know per newz2000 suggestion  - I would be adding them to the wiki page
[16:15] <stas`> akgraner: hey and welcome
[16:16] <akgraner> thanks!
[16:17] <stas`> akgraner: fridge wasn't mocked up already in some `Brand` pages on wiki?
[16:17] <mhall119> one of these days I'm going to find a channel that starts with #ubuntu- that neither akgraner nor pleia2 are in
[16:17] <akgraner> it was but it wasn't correct
[16:17] <stas`> i see
[16:17] <stas`> mhall119: :)
[16:18] <mhall119> though I'm sure cjohnston will still be in it
[16:18] <cjohnston> ?
[16:18] <akgraner> we had no input - so I can write it up - or do a drawing of sorts for ya
[16:18] <stas`> akgraner: a gimped pic can be usefull with some comments along
[16:18] <mhall119> cjohnston: just picking on you for your lack of involvement in Ubuntu projects
[16:19] <cjohnston> is there a /j #ubuntu-* command?
[16:19] <cjohnston> maybe someone could write a script for it
[16:19] <akgraner> stas`, then I'll get it to ya then :-)
[16:19] <mhall119> cjohnston: ask pleia2, if there is she's probably using it
[16:19] <cjohnston> right
[16:19] <mhall119> also, she knows everything
[16:19] <cjohnston> i know
[16:20] <daker> mhall119, i am not sure she knows everything :)
[16:20] <stas`> akgraner: here's a screen with latest work use it as a base http://ubuntuone.com/p/7HV/
[16:20] <akgraner> pleia2, is leading the UW site update.... (she rocks but you all know that already)
[16:20] <mhall119> daker: blasphemy!
[16:20] <pleia2> mhall119 :P
[16:23] <akgraner> stas`, okie dokie - I'll use that one and make my notes the other one I saw had way more text one it ... so I'll get cracking on it for ya
[16:23] <akgraner> pleia2, is also my right arm when it comes to all things website related and keeps me from asking for crazy stuff...
[16:24] <stas`> also here are some screens http://stas.nerd.ro/pub/light-base-theme/wp/
[16:24] <akgraner> great
[16:24]  * pleia2 hugs akgraner
[16:27] <akgraner> stas`, cool - basically we want the Fridge to look like a news site and not a blog :-)
[16:28] <stas`> akgraner: whats behind frige, some cms? planetplanet?
[16:30] <akgraner> stas`, right now it's drupal  - but it will be wordpress
[16:31] <stas`> akgraner: awesome :)
[16:31] <knome> akgraner, wp ftw
[16:33] <akgraner> so gotta get some other work done - just want to do an intro and I'll get back to you with some screenshots and notes :-)
[16:34] <akgraner> (I'm not the developer just the person who is implementing the wordpress vision of the Fridge being the information radiator for the Ubuntu Community News source)
[16:34] <akgraner> ok not implementing
[16:34] <akgraner> translating :-)
[16:34] <mhall119> directing
[16:35] <akgraner> yeah - whatever the right word is for that
[16:35] <mhall119> VP of Strategic Planning
[16:35] <mhall119> Wordpress Implementation Czar
[16:37] <akgraner> You all rock!  I'll get out of your hair now :-)
[16:38] <cjohnston> i dont have much hair for you to be in
[16:55] <stas`> :)
[17:05]  * stas` brb
[18:44] <jono> hey stas
[19:15] <stas> this jono is damn fast :)
[22:48] <jono_> stas around?
[22:49] <knome> jono_, are you playing hide and seek with him?
[22:49] <jono_> haha
[22:49] <jono_> it seems so
[22:49] <knome> ;)
[22:52] <knome> so who's winning?
[22:55] <jono_> it seems he is
[22:55] <jono_> :P
[23:18] <stas> jono_: yep
[23:18] <jono_> stas hey
[23:18] <stas> you ran too fast before
[23:18] <stas> hey :)
[23:18] <jono_> yeah, sorry my connection went down
[23:18] <stas> hows going?
[23:18] <jono_> good thanks
[23:18] <jono_> are you free to discuss the theme?
[23:18] <stas> jono_: yep
[23:18] <jono_> awesome :)
[23:18] <stas> all yours this evening :)
[23:18] <jono_> any more progress on the grey box?
[23:19] <stas> jono_: what rev are you
[23:19] <jono_> let me upgrade to the latest
[23:19] <stas> yep
[23:19] <stas> i did a commit yesterday
[23:19] <jono_> oh cool
[23:20] <jono_> ahhh you fixed the subnav thing
[23:20] <jono_> awesome :)
[23:20] <jono_> nice work!
[23:20] <stas> I didn't test it :)
[23:21] <stas> glad it works now
[23:21] <jono_> works great on http://developer.recreantview.org/
[23:21] <jono_> so did you start on the grey box thing yet?
[23:21] <stas> grey box? wasn't it this thing with submenus?
[23:22] <jono_> oh sorry let me explain
[23:22] <jono_> one sec
[23:22]  * stas reads jono :)
[23:22] <jono_> take a look at http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop
[23:22] <jono_> you see where it says 'Ubuntu for your desktop and laptop'
[23:22] <stas> yeah
[23:23] <jono_> see how it is in a grey box
[23:23] <jono_> I would like to format content on my page like that
[23:23] <jono_> does the theme allow me to do that easily?
[23:23] <stas> only on front page
[23:23] <stas> right
[23:23] <jono_> only on the front page?
[23:24] <stas> you want it only on front page/landing page?
[23:24] <jono_> I think on any page
[23:24] <stas> cause there are a set of widgets
[23:24] <stas> that look like that almost
[23:24] <jono_> ahhh
[23:26] <jono_> looking at the source
[23:26] <stas> just a sec
[23:26] <jono_> it seems they have a bunch of pane-content divs
[23:26] <stas> i'll show you what i mean
[23:26] <stas> there's a widget area
[23:26] <jono_> ok
[23:26] <stas> named above footer
[23:26] <stas> where you can add text widgets
[23:26] <stas> and they will generate columns
[23:26] <jono_> ok one sec
[23:27] <stas> http://ubuntuone.com/p/7Qo/
[23:27] <stas> like this
[23:27] <jono_> right
[23:27] <jono_> but I can't place them on individual pages right - they appear on all pages?
[23:28] <stas> you can add them on individual pages if you add one plugin
[23:28] <stas>  i mentioned it already
[23:28] <stas> widget context
[23:28] <stas> otherway no, only if i hardcode this widget area
[23:28] <jono_> ok let me check
[23:29] <jono_> I was wondering if you could render pages to process the divs the same as ubuntu c.com
[23:29] <jono_> ubuntu.com
[23:30] <jono_> I am not sure if widget context will pass IS, it hasnt been updated since 2009
[23:31] <stas> jono_: i talked with the author this year, a couple of months ago, and he is still maintaining it
[23:31] <jono_> right
[23:31] <jono_> hmmm
[23:31] <stas> its good imho that it wasnt updated, means its stable :)
[23:31] <jono_> ok I will take a look
[23:32] <stas> ill ask the wordpress devs what are their plans about adding something like that into core
[23:33] <jono_> right, but this won't solve my issue for this site
[23:33] <jono_> hmm I think this plugin is gonna be a no go
[23:33] <jono_> out of curiosity, how much work would it be to theme a set of divs
[23:35] <stas> jono_: not much, I can customize a widget area in short time to suit your needs
[23:35] <jono_> stas - this seems to be the divs - http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/451808/
[23:35] <stas> but im not sure it will be useful for others
[23:35] <jono_> to make it look like http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop
[23:35] <jono_> hmmm
[23:36] <stas> yeah, i got it. I can define a special widget area that will look like that if you add text widgets with content into it
[23:36] <stas> but as I said, dunno if it will be useful for others
[23:37] <jono_> but to add the widgets I will still need the plugins
[23:37] <jono_> I am just thinking of what might be the best thing to do here
[23:37] <stas> nope, text widgets are in core, but to add them for individual pages will require a plugin
[23:38] <jono_> thats what I mean
[23:38] <jono_> and the docs and plugin website is horrifically out of date
[23:38] <jono_> http://konstruktors.com/projects/wordpress-plugins/
[23:39] <stas> http://konstruktors.com/projects/wordpress-plugins/widget-context/
[23:39] <stas> the link is on the left
[23:39] <jono_> gonna test now
[23:41] <stas> hmm, theres activity on svn
[23:41] <stas> http://plugins.trac.wordpress.org/log/widget-context/
[23:44] <jono_> ok I installed it
[23:44] <jono_> how do I set it for a specific page?
[23:46] <jono_> ok I think I have it working
[23:46] <stas> you can define it by URIs or by page ids
[23:46] <stas> URIs are cleaner imho
[23:47] <jono_> stas so now I wonder how I divide it up into the title at the top of the box and the columns under
[23:47] <jono_> think I should create a table?
[23:48] <stas> use headings

[23:49] <stas> content
[23:49] <jono_> I can't though as the widget's title is the sub title in the box
[23:49] <jono_> I need a title for a group of widgets
[23:49] <stas> oh
[23:50] <jono_> also the columns are not wide enough for the widgets
[23:50] <stas> yeah, they were set for 6 columns, you need only 4 wide columns
[23:50] <stas> let me check
[23:51] <jono_> right
[23:52] <jono_> hmmm also the widgets are showing on other pages too
[23:52] <stas> they shouldn't, btw, if there are problems with that plugin I can fork it and include with the theme
[23:54] <jono_> it just doesnt seem to be working here
[23:54]  * stas checking it now
[23:55] <jono_> ideally what I would like to do is to add a <div> with a set of common class names and it be rendered
[23:55] <jono_> then it needs no plugins
[23:55] <jono_> I think the multicolumn gray box is quite common in ubuntu sites
[23:58] <stas> jono_: ok, this is straight, and i can include that easily
[23:58] <stas> the widget context functionality will be discussed during next wp-dev meetup btw
[23:58] <jono_> stas ok awesome
[23:58] <jono_> so you are going to just render a standard set of divs for now?


[15:27] <sforshee> LocutusOfBorg: we're trying to use the upstream vboxguest/vboxsf modules in 5.8, but the vboxsf mounts fail with this in dmesg: vboxsf: Old binary mount data not supported, remove obsolete mount.vboxsf and/or update your VBoxService.
[15:27] <sforshee> do you know if we need to update vbox packages, or do we need to go back to the module from the dkms package, or what?
[15:36] <sforshee> LocutusOfBorg: bug 1895862
[16:22] <LocutusOfBorg> sforshee, first time I see...
[16:24] <LocutusOfBorg> I don't see the version of host, guest, and guest-additions in the bug...
[16:26] <sforshee> LocutusOfBorg: ask for whatever information you need on the bug, I'm not the one who reported it
[16:37] <LocutusOfBorg> ack
[16:37] <LocutusOfBorg> done


[02:20] <agrestringere> Got a question, I'm handling a bug about Gnome shell and it doesn't involve either lightdm, compiz or unity, should I encourage the reporter to report this upstream to Gnome's bugzilla directly?
[02:22] <bjsnider> agrestringere, what is the bug?
[02:22] <RAOF> agrestringere: If it's an upstream bug it should end up in GNOME's bugzilla, yes.
[02:22] <agrestringere> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1095106
[02:23] <bjsnider> it should be reported to gnome, if they don't know about it
[02:24] <bjsnider> i might go over to their irc channel and ask
[02:24] <bjsnider> it's #gnome-shell on gimpnet
[02:25] <agrestringere> Okay, will do, thanks
[02:27] <bjsnider> they key players are not around at the moment
[02:27] <bjsnider> still on vacation i guess
[02:28] <agrestringere> hold on reconnecting via empathy
[02:41] <agrestringere> bjsnider, I'll just leave a note on the bug report to file upstream at the project url
[11:08] <mlankhorst> g'day mates!
[12:12] <tjaalton> hey mlankhorst
[12:12] <mlankhorst> heya
[12:23]  * mlankhorst wonders what to work on
[13:31] <xnox> mlankhorst: anything -cirrus gets +1 from me ;-)
[13:32] <mlankhorst> was just rebasing my git tree :P
[13:32] <mlankhorst> seems there was a GF119 fix, might be able to work on nouveau prime again then
[17:47]  * bryce waves
[17:58] <GeoffCh> Hi.  I'm struggling with a laptop display that fails to report its EDID.  apw suggested that I visit here.  I have the EDID override in /lib/firmware/edid/ using drm-kms-helper and it shows up correctly in Xorg.0.log with the 1280x800 modeline that I want.  However, I can't get it to use that modeline.  It only uses DDC gathered modelines that don't include 1280x800.  Am I missing something?
[17:59] <bryce> GeoffCh, does it show up in xrandr --verbose output?
[17:59] <bryce> if so, see if setting it via xrandr works.
[18:01] <GeoffCh> It doesn't show up there.  I end up with a 1360x768 screen that doesn't fit the display.
[18:02] <bryce> GeoffCh, next check that the edid data showing up in xrandr --verbose matches what you've loaded in.  If not, then doublecheck that you've installed the edid file correctly
[18:02] <GeoffCh> I should say, the EDID data shows up correctly, but not the modeline I want.
[18:09] <GeoffCh> If I use xrandr to add and use the 1280x800 modeline I want, the the screen doesn't fit the display then either,  and fits even worse than the 1360x768.
[18:10] <bryce> GeoffCh, got anything in xorg.conf?
[18:11] <GeoffCh> No, but I have a saved xorg.conf that I'm not using.  I can go back to using it and change whatever needs changing.
[18:14] <bryce> GeoffCh, how about your Xorg.0.log?
[18:15] <GeoffCh> The 1280x800 modeline from my EDID file shows up fine in Xorg.0.log.  It just doesn't match any DDC modelines and never gets used.
[18:21] <bryce> GeoffCh, odd, not sure.  Shouldn't need to match DDC modelines, I think you can set NoDDC to false to force it to use edid.  hard to guess what the issue is.
[18:22] <GeoffCh> I can try that, adding it to my saved xorg.conf.  Does the i915 driver recognize NoDDC?
[18:25] <GeoffCh> Also, setting NoDDC to true sounds more intuitive.
[18:27] <bryce> yeah Option "NoDDC" true or Option "DDC" false
[18:27] <bryce> the latter is documented in the intel man page so ought to work
[18:28] <GeoffCh> OK, thanks bryce, I'll give that a shot and come back here after.
[18:49] <GeoffCh> bryce, when I set DDC to false, I got the correct modelines (1280x800 etc.) from my EDID file, both in Xorg.0.log and in xrandr.  However, the screen doesn't fit anyway.  It's the same result as adding and using the modeline using xrandr, a worse fit than the 1360x768 screen I got from DDC.  It's like the display just balks at 1280x800, whenever it's also not reporting its EDID.  Thank you for helping.  I guess I'll just live with misfitting
[18:49] <GeoffCh>  1360x768 for now.