[15:00] <matsubara> #startmeeting
[15:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:00. The chair is matsubara.
[15:00] <matsubara> so, who's here today?
[15:00] <henninge> me
[15:00] <matsubara> [TOPIC] Roll Call
[15:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  Roll Call
[15:00] <flacoste> me
[15:00] <henninge> me
[15:00] <matsubara> I always forget that
[15:01] <allenap> me
[15:01] <salgado> me
[15:02] <Ursinha> me
[15:02] <matsubara> today is thanksgiving in the US, right?
[15:02] <henninge> yup
[15:02] <matsubara> so, no herb or mthaddon, it seems
[15:02] <bigjools> me
[15:03] <matsubara> all right, so let's move on. everyone is here but the US people
[15:03] <matsubara> [TOPIC] Agenda
[15:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Agenda
[15:03] <matsubara>  * Next meeting
[15:03] <matsubara>  * Actions from last meeting
[15:03] <matsubara>  * Oops report & Critical Bugs
[15:03] <matsubara>  * Operations report (mthaddon/herb/spm)
[15:03] <matsubara>  * DBA report (DBA contact)
[15:03] <matsubara> same time next week?
[15:04] <henninge> I'm on leave then.
[15:04] <henninge> s/'m/'ll be/
[15:04] <matsubara> henninge: can you coordinate with danilos or jtv to cover up for you?
[15:04] <henninge> sure
[15:05] <matsubara> [TOPIC] * Actions from last meeting
[15:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  * Actions from last meeting
[15:05] <matsubara> * gmb to add sql to hide bug 297388 as a fix for bug 300324
[15:05]  * gmb is made of fail, forgot, will do it now so that it gets done monday.
[15:05] <matsubara> given that we still have a Internal server error, that wasn't done :-)
[15:05] <matsubara> * ursinha to file a bug about OOPS-1055EC45 and coordinate with Registry to get it fixed
[15:06] <Ursinha> I did that
[15:06] <Ursinha> and gave sinzui the number
[15:06] <matsubara> all right.
[15:06] <matsubara> [action] gmb to add sql to hide bug 297388 as a fix for bug 300324
[15:06] <MootBot> ACTION received:  gmb to add sql to hide bug 297388 as a fix for bug 300324
[15:06] <matsubara> [TOPIC] * Oops report & Critical Bugs
[15:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  * Oops report & Critical Bugs
[15:07] <matsubara> Ursinha: take the stage please
[15:07] <Ursinha> it's me
[15:07] <allenap> Looks like +text is b0rked.
[15:07] <Ursinha> thanks mars
[15:07] <Ursinha> argh
[15:07] <Ursinha> thanks matsubara
[15:07] <matsubara> allenap: it's because the bug was deleted from the db
[15:07] <Ursinha> allenap, that bug is missing its comment 0
[15:07] <matsubara> or something liket that
[15:07] <allenap> Ah, cool.
[15:08] <Ursinha> so I explodes when somebody tries to access it
[15:08] <Ursinha> ok
[15:08] <matsubara> anyway, gmb is going to mark it as private so it'll only explode to lp admins
[15:08] <Ursinha> I have three bugs, two for bugs and one for code
[15:08] <Ursinha> let's see the code one first
[15:08] <Ursinha> rockstar, hi
[15:08] <Ursinha> bug 301595
[15:08] <matsubara> Ursinha: rockstar is not around
[15:08] <Ursinha> oh, true
[15:08] <Ursinha> crap
[15:08] <matsubara> he's on thanksgiving holiday
[15:08] <Ursinha> who's code QA contact today?
[15:09] <matsubara> nobody it seems
[15:09] <matsubara> move on to the bugs team
[15:09] <Ursinha> okay
[15:09] <Ursinha> the bugs ones
[15:09] <matsubara> and I'll ask aaron to join, if he's around
[15:09] <sinzui> matsubara: Ursinha: We tested a performance fix for OOPS-1055EC45. We should landed it Monday at the latests
[15:09] <matsubara> thanks sinzui
[15:10] <Ursinha> sinzui, great. thanks
[15:10] <Ursinha> bug 296293 and bug 302253
[15:10] <Ursinha> okay
[15:10] <Ursinha> gmb, are you looking 302253?
[15:11] <Ursinha> oh, it's allenap
[15:11] <Ursinha> ok
[15:11] <Ursinha> allenap, that bug is ugly
[15:11] <Ursinha> can somebody take care of that,please?
[15:11] <matsubara> Ursinha: and there he is ^ :-)
[15:12] <Ursinha> hi abentley
[15:12] <abentley> Hi Ursinha
[15:12] <Ursinha> abentley, do you know who's fixing bug 301595?
[15:12] <Ursinha> it needs love
[15:12] <Ursinha> it's oopsing a lot and doesn't have an owner
[15:12] <Ursinha> neither importance set
[15:12] <abentley> Ursinha: I don't think anyone's fixing it.  I don't think anyone knows why it's broken.
[15:13] <Ursinha> abentley, guess it needs to be investigated, no?
[15:13] <abentley> Sure.
[15:13] <flacoste> it's kind of oopsing all of the place
[15:14] <bigjools> it needs someone to take ownership
[15:14] <Ursinha> flacoste, yes
[15:14] <flacoste> in lpnet yesterday's report, most of the OOPS were from there
[15:14] <Ursinha> flacoste, exactly
[15:14] <Ursinha> abentley, can you please talk to code team about that?
[15:15] <abentley> Ursinha: Okay.
[15:15] <Ursinha> thanks abentley
[15:15] <allenap> I'll look into bug 302253 some more later.
[15:15] <Ursinha> thanks allenap
[15:16] <Ursinha> allenap, it would be nice if someone take a look at bug 296293 also
[15:16] <Ursinha> [action] abentley to talk to code team about bug 301595
[15:16] <matsubara> [action] abentley to talk to code team about bug 301595
[15:16] <MootBot> ACTION received:  abentley to talk to code team about bug 301595
[15:16] <Ursinha> matsubara, thanks
[15:17] <Ursinha> I'll talk to intellectronica later about that bug so
[15:17] <Ursinha> about +translate timeouts, jtv is handling
[15:17] <Ursinha> no critical bugs
[15:18] <Ursinha> so that's all from me guys
[15:18] <Ursinha> thanks all
[15:18] <matsubara> we have one fix committed, will that ever be released?
[15:18] <matsubara> I mean, it's been fix committed for ages now
[15:18] <Ursinha> matsubara, good question
[15:19] <matsubara> allenap: do you know how bugzilla-launchpad bugs transition from committed to released?
[15:19] <allenap> matsubara: I don't follow... are you talking about the plugin?
[15:20] <matsubara> allenap: I'm talking about bug 269538 which is in fix committed for a long time
[15:20] <matsubara> will it ever be fix released or something?
[15:21] <matsubara> anyway, we can sort that out later.
[15:21] <matsubara> i'll comment on the bug
[15:21] <matsubara> moving on
[15:21] <matsubara> [TOPIC] * Operations report (mthaddon/herb/spm)
[15:21] <MootBot> New Topic:  * Operations report (mthaddon/herb/spm)
[15:21] <matsubara> so, no losas around, they're on holiday
[15:22] <allenap> gmb: Can bug 269538 be marked as Fix Released?
[15:22] <matsubara> [action] matsubara email losas to request operations report
[15:22] <MootBot> ACTION received:  matsubara email losas to request operations report
[15:22] <matsubara> [TOPIC] * DBA report (DBA contact)
[15:22] <MootBot> New Topic:  * DBA report (DBA contact)
[15:22] <matsubara> stub is on holiday too
[15:22] <matsubara> [action] matsubara email stub to request dba report
[15:22] <MootBot> ACTION received:  matsubara email stub to request dba report
[15:23] <matsubara> and I guess that's all we have for today
[15:23] <matsubara> anything else?
[15:23] <Ursinha> I do
[15:23] <Ursinha> have
[15:23] <matsubara> go ahead
[15:23] <Ursinha> about QAing your pending test items
[15:23] <gmb> allenap: Good question. I don't think so yet but I'll ping Max about it and ask him.
[15:24] <matsubara> thanks gmb
[15:24] <matsubara> and allenap
[15:24] <Ursinha> it seems people are not QAing their items right after they land
[15:25] <Ursinha> if you need help QAing stuff, let me and matsubara know, we'll be glad to help
[15:25] <Ursinha> as EdwinGrubbs asked me yesterday
[15:25] <Ursinha> but it would be really great if things could be tested way before release week :)
[15:25] <Ursinha> so I'd like to ask you to take a look on your testplans and see what can be done
[15:26] <Ursinha> that's all
[15:26] <Ursinha> thanks matsubara
[15:26] <matsubara> thanks Ursinha
[15:26] <matsubara> Thank you all for attending this week's Launchpad Production Meeting. See the channel topic for the location of the logs.
[15:26] <Ursinha> weee
[15:26] <matsubara> #endmeeting
[15:26] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 09:26.
[15:26] <Ursinha> thanks matsubara
[15:27] <henninge> thank Ursinha :)
[15:27] <Ursinha> henninge, :)
[15:32] <Ursinha> wgrant, too late :P


 (Photo, 1280x719) https://i.imgur.com/WnYaLyi.jpg I somehow got to teminal but the desktop is pretty empty
 looks like openbox isn't configured correctly
[00:15] <wxl> is sddm using the lubuntu session?
[00:16] <wxl> maybe dpkg-reconfigure lubuntu-default-settings?
 also, I noticed some popups like XF86VolumeUp is not valid or something
 @wxl [<wxl> is sddm using the lubuntu session?], It is.
 @wxl [<wxl> maybe dpkg-reconfigure lubuntu-default-settings?], one sec
[00:16] <kc2bez> I wonder if it might not be a VNC issue?
[00:17] <wxl> might be
[00:17] <wxl> try using nomachine instead
 what's nomachine?
[00:19] <wxl> i swear to god i'm going to set up an automated script that just sends whatever questions you ask to duckduckgo and returns the result here XD
[00:19] <wxl> livraisons uniquement
[00:19] <wxl> aww heck
[00:19] <wxl> https://www.nomachine.com/
[00:19] <wxl> there
[00:19] <wxl> best remote desktop solution for any platform hands down
[00:20] <kc2bez> maybe a duckduckgo bot?
[00:20] <wxl> yeah
[00:20] <wxl> but only for raman :)
[00:20] <kc2bez> XD
 XD
 (Photo, 1280x719) https://i.imgur.com/pjaiEeN.jpg check this out
 I am sure it's not a vnc issue. I will try dpkg-reconfigure lubuntu-default-settings
[00:23] <wxl> that is not the lubuntu session for sure
[00:23] <wxl> that's the openbox session if i ever saw it
 @wxl [<wxl> that's the openbox session if i ever saw it], Yeah. Idk how to get to lubuntu-session
[00:24] <wxl> through sddm
[00:24] <wxl> which vnc probably can't handle well
[00:24] <wxl> but nomachine could..............
 Yeah. That.
 Okay. Installing it now.
 Mind if I do it tomorrow?
 It's almost 6am.
[00:25] <wxl> whenevr
 Okie. Bye.
 we have to fix some openbox issues, btw. WM menu (when is available with lefgt click over desktop) does not work
[00:28] <wxl> that should be trivial to fix but imho that's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay low on the priority list
[00:29] <wxl> lubuntu proper first, other non-traditional uses of lubuntu packages second
 (Photo, 392x110) https://i.imgur.com/ImzoOPM.jpg
[00:30] <wxl> yeah i know
[00:30] <wxl> it's an openbox session setting.
 yes, but I coudlnt foun it.
[00:31] <wxl> well, it's in openbox
[00:31] <wxl> and unfortunately openbox is so tightly tied to lxde that there are problems
 anyway, already make my pull request for redshit-qt, I already did one and was accepeted so, it's moving. After this it will have teh same functionality as redshift-gtk and ppa ready.
 @wxl [<wxl> and unfortunately openbox is so tightly tied to lxde that there are proble …], Anyone tried any other window manager apart from openbox along with lxqt?
[00:33] <wxl> sure! lots. see upstream
[00:33] <wxl> kwin is common
 @HMollerCl [anyway, already make my pull request for redshit-qt, I already did one and was a …], Pro!!
[00:33] <kc2bez> I did kwin with success in Lubuntu
[00:33] <wxl> and for other window managers that aren't so toolkit specific (like awesome) it's nice, too
 Which's better?
[00:34] <kc2bez> Debian has xfcewm
[00:34] <wxl> wait a minute
[00:34] <wxl> did you just ask which window manager is better?
[00:34] <kc2bez> I know what your answer is XD
 @wxl [<wxl> did you just ask which window manager is better?], Yeah. Coz openbox is clearly too blank.
[00:34] <wxl> that's not openbox's problem
[00:34] <wxl> that's the configuration
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> I know what your answer is XD], i3 ?
[00:35] <wxl> and asking what anything is better is silly
[00:35] <kc2bez> It is an individual choice obviously
[00:35] <kc2bez> wxl is an Awesome fan though.
 Okay but no tilling in openbox.
[00:36] <wxl> yep
[00:36] <wxl> omg wthhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[00:36] <wxl> why do people want to do fake tiling? just get a tiling window manager already!!!!
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> wxl is an Awesome fan though.], Yeah. He showed that during the talk.
[00:36] <wxl> yeah everyone was all like "come on share your screen pleeeeeeeez"
[00:36] <wxl> and i'm all like "look it's a terminal and a browser"
[00:37] <kc2bez> XD
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Yeah. He showed that during the talk.], oo, where is the link to the talk?
[00:37] <wxl> ^ up there somewhere
 @wxl [<wxl> why do people want to do fake tiling? just get a tiling window manager alr …], Not every user would like to go to hassle of setting up a 2nd wm other than default installed.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OjDGgVjTa1ioB8cqrWX7vL3uRA0ABu2F/view?usp=shari …], @HMollerCl I forgot to tag you.
 ooo it's a video!!! Now I know wxl face w/o helmet!!!!
 XD
 But there's a cap tho.
 Still
 yep
 ubuntu cap
 @The_LoudSpeaker if you want to compile.. https://github.com/hmollercl/redshift-qt/tree/allow_parameters
 @HMollerCl [@The_LoudSpeaker if you want to compile.. https://github.com/hmollercl/redshift- …], Noted
 instead of qmake you need to use https://github.com/hmollercl/redshift-qt/tree/allow_parameters
 Ack.
 ^that instead of qmake
 K.
 because plain qmake is qt4
 Why isn't it qt5 if qt5 is latest release?
 don't know, ask @tsimonq2 who is trying to change it.
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 (Photo, 1280x719) https://i.imgur.com/mvfGgZU.jpg This is what I land up into from nomachine. It is lubuntu-session only right?
 That is a LXQt session minus the artwork.
 (Photo, 1280x719) https://i.imgur.com/sYVejrI.jpg I tried changing the "DefaultDesktopCommand" in nx node config to /usr/bin/lxqt-session but it is not starting
 You have a panel so I don't think that is an openbox session.
 me too
 the default value of "DefaultDesktopCommand" is /etc/X11/Xsession default"
 it is correct I suppose
 you might want to install artwork if it isn't already.
 I will try
 its already there
 hmm wonder why default settings didn't apply it?
 wait. I did a dpkg-reconfigure of artwork
 then on connecting it took me to xscreensaver
 but disconnected
 input/output error
 I will try a reboot.
 I can try later attached to a monitor too.
 yup! please do
 (Photo, 1280x719) https://i.imgur.com/l0zfopF.jpg after reboot
 please, could you help me support this? https://forum.lxqt.org/t/add-mapudungun-language-in-weblate/966
 I hope I touch a fiber in agaida and tsujan.
[17:12] <apt-ghetto> The_LoudSpeaker: Are you working on lxqt-globalkeys_0.14.3?
[17:13] <The_LoudSpeaker> It's on my list
[17:13] <The_LoudSpeaker> Can complete it tonight if it's urgent
[17:14] <apt-ghetto> Just asking
[17:14] <apt-ghetto> In Debian it is packaged, so I guess you have to merge it into the Ubuntu repos and then SRU it into eoan
[17:15] <The_LoudSpeaker> noted.
[18:27] <wxl> @kc2bez @Dreamingwolf have you tried to run the pi setup yourself to see if you can replicate raman's issue?
 wxl: tora in disco is with Qt4, not Qt5 https://packages.ubuntu.com/disco/tora
[19:50] <wxl> @HMollerCl i presume we're still working on the qt5 transition.. ask @tsimonq2 to be sure
[19:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL36e0e6bf4008: Add +x to score] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL36e0e6bf4008
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[19:57] <teward> remind me again, are Focal dailies available?
[19:57] <wxl> yep
[19:57] <teward> remind me where again?
[19:57] <wxl> um
[19:57] <wxl> cdimage.ubuntu.com
[19:57]  * teward is stupid because he lost the link
[19:58] <wxl> the link is here https://lubuntu.me/downloads/
[19:58] <wxl> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/focal-desktop-amd64.iso
[19:58] <teward> also listed at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/408/builds/201512/downloads :P
[19:58] <wxl> that, too, but that build number will change over time
[19:58] <teward> true
 agreed
[19:59] <teward> zsyncing now
[19:59] <teward> because i need this to test something for Network Manager
[19:59] <teward> (I think nm-openvpn has a bug in it...)
[19:59] <teward> (a massive bug)
[19:59] <teward> (based on Debian testing)
[19:59] <teward> s/testing/Unstable testing/
[19:59] <teward> need to replicate in Focal xD
 @wxl [<wxl> @kc2bez @Dreamingwolf have you tried to run the pi setup yourself to see i …], haven't had a chance yet today.
 hope to get to it tonight.
[20:09] <wxl> i just find it strange that it would default to anything but the lubuntu session
[20:09] <wxl> in fact, it would be interesting to just boot up a vm of some other flavor, install lubuntu-desktop and see what happens
 ... well that's not good
 "E: Release File for http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal/InRelease is not valid yet (invalid for another 2h 12m).  Updates for this repository will not be applied."
 is time accurate?
 it's a VM and it should be
 weird
 time set manually, TZ set to local, same error
 i wonder if APT has a bug in it
[20:28] <teward> > Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 19:52:21 UTC
[20:28] <teward> from the InRelease file
 20:30 right now so it should be good.
 yeah it looks like the ISO was ignoring RTC Clock which on my system is UTC set
 and aplying that + 4
 which is *odd*
 very
 ... ew okay...
 nm-tray now launches only nmcli to configure the networking
 that... sounds like a bad thing :/
 (when you try and edit configs from the tray itself)
 going to the launch bar, Preferences > Advanced Network Configuration brings up the expected config GUI
 (something I noticed in Debian Unstable as well)
[20:35] <teward> oops
[20:36] <teward> kc2bez: not sure where to file it, but Lubuntu Daily, Manual Partitioning, E:CRASH
[20:36] <teward> during the installer
[20:36] <teward> ... but only after you return to the partitioning screen *after* choosing "Erase Drive" and hitting Next once.
[20:37] <teward> so if you decide later to change the partitioning layout it'll explode
[20:37] <teward> and you have to rerun install from start
[20:42] <kc2bez> Is that on focal reward ?
[20:42] <teward> yep
[20:43] <kc2bez> dang auto correct
[20:43] <teward> oh fun fact it's not accepting the LUKS input from keyboard in a VM either if you LUKS encrypt it
[20:43] <teward> and that's *new* issues there
[20:43] <kc2bez> it should. I know it does in eoan
[20:44] <teward> it doesn't in a VM in Focal
[20:44] <teward> which is new
[20:44] <teward> that's why i said that's a new issue
[20:44] <teward> i'll have to dig more
[20:44] <kc2bez> I tested both qemu and virtual box.
[20:44] <teward> but for now, to reinstall with "Clean"
[20:44] <teward> VMware might be different
[20:44] <teward> and is likely to be a utilized VM env kc2bez
[20:44] <teward> i have VMware :P
[20:44] <kc2bez> makes sense
[20:45] <kc2bez> I use what I have :P
[20:45] <teward> what's *real* odd?
[20:45] <teward> Debian Unstable, LUKS, works *fine*
[20:45] <teward> sooooo
[20:47] <teward> wouldn't hurt to test QEMU and VBox yourself though just to be sure for the dailies
[20:47] <teward> who knows what chaos has been introduced xD
[20:47] <kc2bez> I haven't really done any tests on focal yet
[20:48] <kc2bez> I will give it a try though
[20:48] <teward> cool.  I need to try Eoan and Bionic to for the bug I'm looking at in OpenVPN GNOME toolkits though
[20:48] <teward> just finding *other* bugs in the interim while getting to the point I can do the testing :P
 kc2bez: this is a new one - "Failed to request VPN secrets: No agents were available for this request"
[21:02] <wxl> that might be related to the qtpass bug.... ?
 possibly
 testing one thing though
 and running nm-applet to see if it's really what I think the problem is...
[21:02] <wxl> but no, i think that's gpg-specific
 it's nm-tray
[21:02] <wxl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtpass/+bug/1829693
 it doesn't provide a prompter
 so you can't do VPN Prompt For Credentials
 it works in nm-applet though
 which is NOT running in Lubuntu Daily
[21:03] <wxl> i know @HMollerCl has worked hard on vpn/nm stuff
[21:03] <wxl> nm-tray is limited for advanced situations
 @HMollerCl well, apparently, not enough.
 wxl: and... why aren't we using nm-applet
 i ask this becuase nm-tray NOW launches nmcli to edit configurations
 NOT a GUI config interface
 if you try and edit connections via nm-tray
[21:04] <wxl> use the "advanced networking configuration"
 wxl: not why i was asking
 because of the advanced nature of SOME VPN setups such as ask-after-initial-handshake 2FA you're going ito have problems with nm-tray
[21:04] <wxl> nm-tray doesn't have a GUI config interface, that's why
 also not why i'm asking why we're using nm-tray over nm-applet
 *smacks wxl a few times*
 the question is:
[21:05] <wxl> https://phab.lubuntu.me/T29
[21:05] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] Native nm-tray connection editor: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T29
 why are we using nm-tray and not nm-applet
[21:05] <wxl> because qt
[21:07] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T29: Native nm-tray connection editor] teward (Thomas Ward) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T29#2530
 ^ i added an additional consideration concern there
 unrelated, nm-applet seems to work fine for what i need so I guess until T29 has extra work done on it I'll run a bastardized Lubuntu Focal
[21:08] <wxl> to be clear, you DID use the advanced networking configuration to confirm this?
 yes
 that's the only way to add VPN connections
 BUT
 you can't *activate* VPN connections from the config manager
 and nm-tray has no GUI Agent to handle password/credential requests
 which is the concern I'm voicing
 because without the ability to handle prompts or cred requests, it will explode in your face
 and not be able to process connections, esp. where password/cred prompts change due to 2FA being tacked on
 so in the case of my workplace, which has OpenVPN + TOTP 2FA added to the end of the password string...
 can't use nm-tray, must use nm-applet or it will fail
 confirmed this in Debian too when I pulled out connman and used network manager instead
[21:10] <wxl> conman fails similarly?
[21:10] <teward> connman has no OpenVPN interface
[21:11] <teward> so I had to rip it out to work properly with what I needed
[21:11] <teward> s/interface/integration/
[21:11] <wxl> huh
[21:11] <teward> or, more *specifically*
[21:11] <wxl> also: ugh
[21:11] <teward> it doesn't have an *advanced* OpenVPN interface.
[21:11] <teward> which i need to configure options in it
[21:12] <teward> ... huh looks like OPenSSL issues are resolved in *buntu
[21:12] <teward> but not Debian buster
[21:12] <teward> (relevant: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=933177 is what I was testing for, in Lubuntu Focal, because it needs GUI modification and patch implementation to add two config arguments to OpenVPN config in network manager to work proper)
 but I don't think OpenSSL default-disables TLS 1.0/1.1 in Ubuntu yet
 *goes to bother Security team*
[21:14] <wxl> @teward001 you mentioned someonthing about manual partitioning failed.. what scheme did you use?
 wxl: failed as in E:CRASH
 IF you go into the installer and do "Erase Disk", hit "Next", then go back and choose Manual Partitioning
 edge case I know but 😜
 the failure case was in a VMware VM the prompt for the creds for the LUKS decryption weren't accepting keyboard input from the console
 which is really weird
 s/failure case/other failure case/
[21:15] <wxl> can't reproduce in vbox or i don't understand clearly the steps to reproduce
 i'll do more tests later
 when I am home
[21:15] <wxl> is luks a requirement here?
 for now, EOD.
 wxl: didn't even get to the install step for the E:INSTALLERCRASH fail
 the second issue was post-install with encryption selected
 which used LUKS
 but meh
 as i said
 i'll test more when I get home
 I"m heading home now.
[21:17] <wxl> clear steps to reproduce, please, if you get something
[21:19] <wxl> doing efi/luks/erase disk/internet now.. so far so good
 @teward001 [@HMollerCl well, apparently, not enough.], 1.- nm-tray open the cli by default, we changed it
 2.- I've only used pptp (work issues=
 3.- nm-tray cannot ask for VPN password
 @wxl [<wxl> @kc2bez @Dreamingwolf have you tried to run the pi setup yourself to see i …], I've been on the road in semi. Won't see my pi till Fri afternoon. But will definitely try it then.
[21:34] <wxl> kk
[21:34] <wxl> my install worked so i think thomas is broken
[21:37] <kc2bez> good to know
[21:37] <kc2bez> I will try too
[21:37] <kc2bez> just not right now
[21:38] <wxl> might be good to try not-vbox
[21:38] <wxl> hmmm bummer:
[21:38] <wxl> dpkg-query: no packages found matching teward
[21:38] <wxl> i tried to file a bug against him. boo.
[21:39] <kc2bez> I have qemu, I will give that I try.
[21:39] <teward> It could be VMware specific but :P
[21:39] <wxl> quite possibly
[21:39] <teward> VMWare Player would he able to replicate theoretically.
[21:40] <wxl> i've never once used vmware
[21:40] <teward> But i will test more when home
[21:40] <teward> Wxl: my test env is a VMware ESXi hypervisor cluster so
[21:40] <teward> :P
[21:40] <wxl> a common environment for lubuntu i'm sure XD
[21:40] <teward> Lol
[21:41] <teward> I mean the only other similarly functional env on VMs is RHEL because something about it manages the memleaks on GNOME out of the box lol
[21:41] <teward> And RHEL is expensive and evil so
[22:01] <kc2bez> I was able to unlock the luks partition in qemu. The keyboard worked there.
[22:02] <wxl> just `ubuntu-bug teward`. oh wait, that didn't work. i forgot.
[22:02] <teward> *salts wxl*
[22:03] <teward> *forces wxl to use a DOS 1.0 prompt for everything now*
[22:03] <wxl> dude, i actually loved DOS
[22:03] <teward> lool
[22:03] <teward> traitor xD
[22:03] <teward> oh i know...
[22:03] <teward> *forces wxl to use Windows ME*
[22:03] <kc2bez> Well I mostly wanted to test myself to make sure I wasn't losing my mind. I may still be losing it but not on this particular issue.
[22:03] <wxl> that's kind of yucky
[22:03] <wxl> but not the worst thing you could say
[22:04] <teward> we all losing it lol
[22:04] <kc2bez> XD
[22:04]  * wxl forces teward to use PowerShell....... for everything
[22:04] <teward> wxl: would you prefer Gentoo?  :P
[22:04] <teward> wxl: I already do at work lol
[22:04] <wxl> well then hahahahahahah
[22:04] <wxl> no wonder you're so cranky all the time X'''''''''''''D
[22:04] <kc2bez> Gentoo in my pocket.
[22:05] <kc2bez> fairly custom but...
[22:05] <teward> yeah managing exchange servers is a [CENSORED] because now 90% of config options have to be PowerShelled now
[22:05] <wxl> oh yeah i forgot you do exchange servers, too. wow, i feel terrible for you.
[22:05] <kc2bez> PS is ick but necessary at the same time.
[22:07] <kc2bez> I make the other guys deal with it. :P


[00:06] <U236Willy> probably the first gui program to burn BD but, I think the ability via growisofs existed earlier on the cli
[00:11] <Daskreech> U236Willy: Excellent point :)
[00:14] <Guest40550> hi
[00:17] <Guest40550> well i was thinking to Ubuntu or Kubuntu but idk the difference between these 2
[00:17] <Guest40550> can help me plz
[00:17] <rww> !kubuntu
[00:18] <Guest40550> ok idk i rly like kubuntu
[00:18] <Guest40550> my problem is i want to every program that can be run on Ubuntu also can run on kubuntu?
[00:20] <rww> Yes, it should be fine either way. GNOME apps work in KDE, and KDE apps work in GNOME.
[00:20] <Guest40550> hmm so they are the same but they look different
[00:21] <Guest40550> thanks also both are gr8
[00:22] <Guest40550> but i like to keep kubuntu
[00:22] <Guest40550> it's a fun os
[00:23] <Guest40550> well the Southbridge chip in my is failing and windows is not working even the safe mode
[00:23] <Guest40550> but this os is working fine
[00:24] <Guest40550> i have 1 more problem
[00:24] <Guest40550> i have problem with playing .ts files
[00:25] <Guest40550> the KMplayer play it but not like it do it on win
[00:25] <Guest40550> seeking wont work
[00:26] <Guest40550> the file it's a stream take from my TV
[00:28] <U236Willy> Guest40550: use mplayer from the command line
[00:29] <Guest40550> whats that?
[00:29] <U236Willy> that's opening konsole and running mplayer from it
[00:29] <Guest40550> ok what command
[00:29] <U236Willy> imho... i don't like the kmplayer gui... i'm not able to control it like i can at the command line.
[00:30] <U236Willy> mplayer file.ts
[00:30] <Guest40550> plz tell me how to do it
[00:30] <szal> Guest40550: he just did
[00:30] <Guest40550> oh
[00:30] <Guest40550> got it
[00:30] <Guest40550> what about kaffeine and smplayer ?
[00:31] <szal> KMPlayer and SMPlayer are quite obviously frontends to MPlayer, Kaffeine is KDE's own multimedia player primarily for video
[00:31] <Guest40550> hmm ok
[00:32] <Guest40550> thanks
[00:34] <Guest40550> wow thats cool
[00:34] <Guest40550> how i set the AR to 16:10
[00:36] <szal> the what?
[00:36] <Guest40550> oh
[00:36] <Guest40550> Aspect ratio
[00:40] <Guest40550> well runing it from command is a bit hard but fun
[00:44] <U236Willy> sorry i had to take a call
[00:44] <Guest40550> np
[00:44] <Guest40550> smplay works gr8
[00:44] <U236Willy> everything from the command line can be altered
[00:45] <U236Willy> so i don't know ... wait
[00:45] <ionite> are there any patches for KDE?
[00:45] <U236Willy> remember this command -> man mplayer | grep -i 'aspect' (one word -- or whatever you want to look up)
[00:46] <ionite> what the's most recommended messenger service for KDE?
[00:46] <Guest40550> what is mplayer gui?
[00:48] <bazhang> !im > ionite
[00:49] <ionite> bazhang: i tried kopete but it doesn't connects me to my messenger service at all. so i removed it.
[00:50] <bazhang> ionite, then please provide more info as to your exact needs, the errors you get and so on
[00:50] <Guest40550> i have to say SMPlayer is rly better than KMplayer
[00:52] <ionite> bazhang:  there's no errors. i input my MSN service and my login details but it doesn't show anything on my MSN list. offline users and so on.
[00:53] <Guest40550> thanks also for the commands :)
[00:54] <U236Willy> when you use the command line you can use your keyboard to change playback quite a bit
[00:54] <U236Willy> i like using the arrow keys to move around a file.
[00:54] <Guest40550> hmm ok thanks :)
[00:55] <ionite> how do i check what's my graphics capacity?
[00:56] <U236Willy> so.. you can look over the manpage 'man mplayer' at the command line and there's alot of power in the command line version that most graphical frontends (kmplayer/smplayer/etc) don't build into it... it's like a swiss-army knife of video and is far to extensive to put into something pretty.
[00:56] <Guest40550> hmm also it can convert?
[00:57] <avihay> ionite: I like kopete, but it behaves strange, not connecting in some networks I use, partially connecting at other networks. I looked through a few alternatives and settled for Pidgin. it's cross-platform and it used to have a different name
[00:58] <ionite> avihay: great! :) btw do u know how can i check for my graphics card capacity?
[00:58] <Guest40550> mplayer can convert files also?
[01:00] <avihay> ionite: umm, if you mean what your card can do, then ther's a program called glxinfo to list what your card supports
[01:01] <ionite> avihay: so what do i do? install it? can it be found in the synaptics manager?
[01:03] <ionite> avihay: besides that. doesn't KDE have it's own software to show the infos for graphics, ram, processor, etc?
[01:04] <Guest40550> ok thanks a lot for the commands well i gtg now
[01:05] <U236Willy> mplayer can.. but most use mencoder for video conversion or a
[01:05] <U236Willy> different program altogehter
[01:05] <Guest40550> oh ok
[01:05] <ionite> doesn't KDE have it's own software to show the infos for graphics, ram, processor, etc?
[01:05] <U236Willy> kinfocenter
[01:06] <U236Willy> or 'system monitor'
[01:07] <Guest40550> mencoder is it by command line?
[01:07] <U236Willy> but of course
[01:08] <U236Willy> and the list of flags for that is equally as long and extensive
[01:08] <U236Willy> i think devede was a mencoder gui frontend
[01:09] <Guest40550> kk let me look
[01:09] <Guest40550> it's downloading the KPackageKit list
[01:10] <jmichaelx> would anyone here know whether or not it is possible to get the calendar widget in kde 4.7 to appear and behave similar to the way it did in 4.6?
[01:11] <Guest40550> yes it's for DVD making
[01:14] <Guest40550> yap thats also cool
[01:14] <Guest40550> sorry i gtg so take care bye
[01:14] <Guest40550> thanks a lot
[01:15] <yofel> jmichaelx: if you disable displaying events in the widgets calendar settings the 2nd panel should go away
[01:15] <jmichaelx> yofel: it doesn't go away
[01:16] <jmichaelx> yofel: nor does it quit displaying events, apparently
[01:16] <yofel> file a bug, for me it does on one system but doesn't on this one, I didn't file a bug yet though
[01:16] <ionite> U236Willy: but i can't see my graphics memory because it's integrated
[01:17] <jmichaelx> yofel: if a person filed a report for every bug in kde 4.7, they'd have work to last for a very long time
[01:17] <yofel> so? they have time till 4.7.5 to fix them ^^
[01:18] <jmichaelx> yofel: this is KDE, you know that it does not work that way
[01:18] <jmichaelx> many KDE bugs live on and on
[01:18] <yofel> well yeah, but if people don't file bugs they don't get fixed either
[01:18] <yofel> rather even less
[01:18] <jmichaelx> yofel, the bugs that get reported ofyen never get fixed, either
[01:19] <jmichaelx> often*
[01:19] <U236Willy> ionite: this is true... I'm not sure how to monitor that
[01:19] <yofel> that's true for most software. Filing a bug does give you at least a minimal chance that it'll be fixed though
[01:21] <jmichaelx> yofel: i do totally agree with you on that, although i maintain that there is a persistent and significant quality control problem with KDE (as much as i do very much like this DE)
[01:23] <U236Willy> i'm just now coming back
[01:23] <U236Willy> i loved kde ... i was a diehard
[01:23] <jmichaelx> ach... i do need to learn how to become more involve. if only to work on squashing the bugs i hate so much
[01:23] <U236Willy> then 8.10 just broke so hard... i went back to gnome waiting for the dust to clear.... NOW i'm falling in love again.
[01:23] <avihay> I agree, for example, there's the screen corner behaviour setting, in one version, setting a corner prevent screen locking caused putting the pointer there to lock the screen instead. that issue dragged along for about a year...
[01:24] <jmichaelx> U236Willy: yes, i moved to xfce for a while, at the time kde started trying to call their alpha software 'release quality'... but i was back again by 4.2
[01:25] <jmichaelx> (i am speaking of kde4.0)
[01:26] <U236Willy> i think at the time 8.10 was merging into kde3
[01:28] <jmichaelx> linus torvalds made a statement once that sometimes devs need to be told to shut up for a while, and spend some time listening to the feelings expressed by the people who use their software
[01:28] <jmichaelx> right now, both gnome and ubuntu/unity devs need to take some of that advice
[01:29] <U236Willy> unity is what made me install kubuntu and mint on separate drives..
[01:29] <yofel> I don't quite agree with him there. If the project is small enough - ok, but for large projects you need a Q/A team to filter that input or the devs will drown in chaotic user input
[01:31] <jmichaelx> yofel: devs can turn a large project into chaos all by themselves, too... and that is not a rare thing.
[01:32] <U236Willy> at that earlier time I felt kde went too 'cutting edge' and many people had many problems ... now i think the pendulum swing has come back to 'stability & cutting edge'
[01:32] <jmichaelx> yofel: although i would not at all suggest that what you just said wasn't true
[02:48] <_BS_> Can Samba make use of / store passwords encrypted. (NOT talking about exchanging encrypted passwords.)
[02:59] <U236Willy> _BS_: I don't really get your question but have you seen this -> http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/passdb.html
[03:11] <_BS_> U236Willy: Thanks, working on chewing through that now. Let me reask the question more simply - Can Samba make use of /etc/passwd directly, and solely?
[05:30] <g0th> moin
[05:30] <g0th> BluesKaj: are you here?
[07:44] <Jarris> Hello there, i am using a "elsa winner 1000", can you tell me which driver is best, and how do i change drivers? (linux version 10.04) great thanks in advance
[09:19] <Jarris> sorry for asking again, restarted xserver.. is there someone who can halp me configuring my graphics adapter "elsa winner 1000" on linux 10.04 ?? i would be very thankful for some help
[09:44] <mrjosa> hi at all!
[10:01] <JohnFlux__> Hey all
[10:01] <JohnFlux__> Where does samba store which folders are being shared, what the workgroup name is etc?
[10:01] <JohnFlux> Because I can see that I'm sharing two folders
[10:01] <JohnFlux> and my workgroup name is "Workgroup"
[10:02] <JohnFlux> But /etc/samba/smb.conf  says something completely different!
[10:02] <JohnFlux> The smb.conf has a different workgroup name ("HOME")  and no mention of the folders that I'm sharing
[10:06] <JohnFlux> oh
[10:06] <JohnFlux> I needed to restart nmbd too
[10:51] <alvin> I just sent a message to the mailing list, but maybe someone here knows: How can I launch songs from Amarok using krunner, as katapult used to be?
[10:52] <alvin> For people who never worked with KDE3: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katapult
[10:53] <James147> alvin: alt+f2:song name... assuming you have the plugin enabled
[10:53] <alvin> James147: All plugins are enabled. That's actually the default.
[10:54] <James147> alvin: and you have the amarok plugin installed?
[10:54] <alvin> Do you mean plasma-runner-amarok?
[10:54] <James147> plasma-runner-amarok
[10:54] <James147> yeah
[10:54] <DaemonFC> I'm still trying to regain my composure after the last round of updates moved qdbus into a dev package (Oneiric) for some reason I can't even imagine
[10:54] <alvin> I removed it. That plugin makes play, pause, etc,... available, but not playing a certain song
[10:54] <DaemonFC> then didn't bother making KDE depend on it so it wouldn't start up without that dev package
[10:54]  * DaemonFC head desks
[10:56] <James147> alvin: are you sure? it looks like it does (though I dont ahve any songs on this computer to test)
[10:57] <alvin> James147: Yes, I tried and the pakage description doesn't list the funcionality I want. Moreover, the link in the package description to the homepage of the plugin is broken.
[10:57] <natman2> Hi, can anyone give some Firefox help ( the problem is only in Kubuntu, not in windows )
[10:57] <alvin> !ask
[10:57] <James147> well, it seems to work here
[10:58] <alvin> James147: I'll retry, but that's weird...
[10:58] <James147> but not without the plugin
[10:58]  * James147 notes hes on 4.7... which seems to have improved the plugin but it should work on other versions
[10:58] <James147> ^^ i just tryped the name of the song with out a prefix as well ^^
[10:59] <alvin> James147: Me too. Now it works... And I have tried this before. Well, thank you for askin me to try again.
[10:59] <natman2> Cool!, Since yesterday ( i think ) but i can no longer attach a file in yahoo email when using Firefox in kubuntu - i have no problems in windows and my flash plugin seems to have no issues with youtube. In yahoo mail it just appears as if the file is taking forever ( never ends ) to attach
[10:59] <alvin> The only thing that could be better is the default action. That should be 'play'. Not 'remove from playlist'. Let's see if I can change that.
[11:01] <alvin> James147: Something is wrong though. It doesn't always work. If I type the same name of the song that worked a while ago, now nothing appears
[11:01] <alvin> James147: nevermind, it appeared.... only took half a minute. ok. Katapult used to be much faster.
[11:02] <alvin> Maybe nepomuk is needed? But that eats my resources too much. I need the computer to work.
[11:02] <James147> alvin: nepomuk should eat all your resources... the indexer might...
[11:02] <James147> shouldnt ^^
[11:03]  * James147 wonders why he always missed the nt :p
[11:03] <alvin> aaand, that krunner plugin is buggy... I search for a song, find it (after a while), press the 'play song' button, and, it plays the wrong song.
[11:03] <alvin> it just repeats the currently playing song
[11:04] <James147> alvin: then you should file a bug report ^^
[11:04] <alvin> I don't think you missed it there :-) it's indeed virtuoso or something.
[11:04] <James147> alvin: virtuoso is teh indexer
[11:04] <alvin> James147: Yes, several. But where? Does the plugin uses http://bugs.kde.org
[11:06] <natman2> okay, re my firefox yahoo mail issue, the problem goes away if i default back to "classic" yahoo mail
[11:06] <James147> alvin: not entirly sure ^^
[11:06] <alvin> I'll try against krunner
[11:06] <natman2> so must be some ajax type issue im guessing
[11:14] <alvin> Ahm, I just lost weeks of mails? To reproduce: 1) switch to desktop where Kontact is open. 2) stare in disbelief.
[11:17] <lcb> hi. anyone know where basket stores its data?
[11:17] <lcb> users's data ...
[11:19] <James147> lcb: ~/.kde/share/apps/basket I think
[11:22] <lcb> James147: thanks
[11:23] <lcb> James147: that's the app location but i can't recover some data i had already in a previous installation
[11:23] <James147> lcb: try ~/.kde4 (thats the old location)
[11:24] <lcb> James147: thank you
[11:29] <eean> will I need the alternate install to deal with encrypted partitions?
[11:30] <eean> ah shite, thats what the wiki says
[11:30] <alvin> eean: I think so. I never use the desktop install, so I don't know if the desktop install can do it, but maybe it can do encrypted /home
[11:30] <eean> yea I need whole disk encryption. plus I already have a encrypted setup and I just want to wipe root
[11:30] <James147> eean: what drives you planning to encrypt? / or /home?
[11:31] <eean> root, /home and swap
[11:32] <James147> then i think you need the alt cd
[11:32] <eean> I have this already, but need to switch to 32bit from 64bit
[11:45] <Duolos> How would I go about figuring out how Linux sees a certain keypress on my laptop?
[11:46] <Duolos> For example, my touchpad had a touch area to disable it (but it doesn't work in Linux yet)... curious if linux notices me tapping the area but doesn't know what to do with it.
[11:50] <alvin> Duolos: Try xev
[11:52] <Duolos> alvin: hmm that doesn't show any response.  Thing is, to disable my touchpad, I'd have to double-tap the upper-left corner of the touchpad itself.  Probably needs a specific driver to handle that?
[11:53] <alvin> I suppose you need some support for that, yes.
[11:55] <Duolos> alvin: is there a workaround to disable and re-enable the touchpad relatively easily?
[12:06] <alvin> Duolos: I'm sorry. I have no experience with touchpads. If the driver is a module, I suppose you could use modprobe to disable and enable.
[12:07] <Duolos> alvin: No worries.   I did some searching in the repos and found a synaptics utility that does it automatically when typing (which was a pain to accidentally hit the touchpad and move my cursor in mid-sentence lol
[12:30] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[12:53] <apparle> hello guys, my unrar executable is in a non standard location, how do I make ark find it?
[12:55] <supeadmin> who use w3af
[12:55] <supeadmin> welcome w3af
[12:55] <supeadmin> #w3af
[12:56] <James147> apparle: best way is probably to add it to your PATH variable
[12:57] <apparle> James147: that's what I'm wondering, how to add to PATH, for bash its ~/.bashrc. What about other apps
[12:57] <apparle> James147: And I don't have admin access, so can't modify /etc/profile
[12:59] <James147> apparle: ~/.profile ^^
[13:00] <apparle> James147: actually, I'm using a very old system, and it doesn't have ~/.profile. So should I write setenv PATH <whatever> or only PATH=<whatever>?
[13:12] <James147> apparle: not all system have one by default but it should be used if it exists
[13:12] <James147> not sure on the syntax though
[13:13] <apparle> James147: logically, creating should work right?
[13:14] <James147> yea
[13:14] <apparle> James147: okay... I'll check, logging out
[13:14] <James147> (you will need to log out and back in for it to be read by the session though)
[13:18] <apparle> James147: yeah it worked :)
[13:19] <apparle> James147: do you mind, if I send you a private message?
[13:21] <James147> apparle: for what reason?
[13:21] <apparle> James147: KDE related question but not for kubuntu...
[13:21] <James147> apparle: sure
[13:22] <James147> (though if it is just kde realted then here should be fine)
[13:46] <ionite> are there any patches for KDE?
[13:48] <James147> ionite: ^^
[13:49] <James147> ionite: um... i would think so... there are patch for all large projects in some form or another
[13:56] <ionite> James147: do u know how can i do a auto scan for hardware?
[13:56] <James147> ionite: auto scan? you mean list your hardware? lspci lsusb lshw  all cant do that
[13:57] <ionite> James147: my printer has a all in one functions. how can i scan documents over in KDE?
[14:00] <BluesKaj> ionite, install sane
[14:00] <BluesKaj> !sane | ionite
[14:01] <ionite> BluesKaj: what's the command line i should type in my terminal? or does synaptics have it?
[14:02] <DarthFrog> ionite: Use synaptic to install xsane (graphical user program to do scanning).  It'll pull in all the SANE dependencies.
[14:02] <BluesKaj> if synaptics has it then it's in apt as well, synaptics is just a gui for apt , ionite , same goes for muon or any package manager
[14:03] <BluesKaj> err synaptic
[14:05] <BluesKaj> synaptic was broken after the upgrade to oneiric , no textbox for direct entry
[14:05] <ionite> DarthFrog: BluesKaj i got this error You have failed to provide correct authentication. Please check any passwords or account settings.
[14:06] <BluesKaj> ionite, did you mistype your pw maybe ?
[14:07] <DarthFrog> ionite: Did you preface the command with sudo?
[14:07] <ionite> BluesKaj:  i wasn't even prompted for my password like usual
[14:07] <ionite> DarthFrog: i'm using synaptics to install. why does this prompt appears?
[14:08] <BluesKaj> it's synaptic , no "s"
[14:08] <latagore> I am not sure if this is expected behaviour: The more windows I have unminimized, the more lag I have. Using the FPS effect, it seems that my computer slows down as I open new windows
[14:08] <DarthFrog> ionite: Because you're attempting to do a system administration task, it requires root privileges.
[14:09] <DarthFrog> ionite: Press Alt-F2 and type "kdesudo synaptic".
[14:10] <ionite> DarthFrog: now all my hot keys are not working. :( why does my net book function FN key not working? :(
[14:11] <latagore> ionite: Do you have a FN lock key?
[14:12] <ionite> latagore: how do i check?
[14:12] <latagore> Look for a button called FN lock on your keyboard :P
[14:13] <ionite> DarthFrog: i did that and i am still prompted for password
[14:13] <DarthFrog> ionite: Good.  That's what you want.
[14:13] <DarthFrog> Give it your password.
[14:14] <ionite> DarthFrog: no i mean. i'm still prompted for the wrong password aunthentication
[14:14] <DarthFrog> What do you mean, wrong authentication?
[14:14] <ionite> DarthFrog: i used to be able to input my password and then it'll proceed to install but now it just by pass asking me and prompts me a authgentication failure.
[14:14] <DarthFrog> Strange.
[14:15] <DarthFrog> You must have waved a dead chicken at it.
[14:16] <ionite> DarthFrog: anyway just give me the terminal command line to install
[14:16] <ionite> DarthFrog: that might help. thanks
[14:17] <DarthFrog> ionite:  "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install xsane"  All on one line.
[14:18] <ionite> DarthFrog: now the terminal is working. so affer installing SANE i'll be able to scan right?
[14:19] <DarthFrog> Probably. :-)
[14:19] <ionite> DarthFrog: on many occasions i have to restart inorder to detect my WLAN. why is that so? can't it auto detect and connect?
[14:20] <DarthFrog> ionite: Do you have the network mini-icon in your systray?
[14:20] <ionite> DarthFrog: yes i do
[14:20] <DarthFrog> Can you use that instead?
[14:21] <ionite> DarthFrog: that's what i've been using. and i've already set it to connect automatically but on many occasions it can't detect either my mobile broadband or my present WLAN. i have to restart inorder to do so.
[14:22] <DarthFrog> ionite: That's a nuisance.
[14:22] <ionite> DarthFrog: sane installed successfully but it can't detect my all in one scanner and printer
[14:23] <ionite> DarthFrog: where do i insert this? Add ATTRS{idVendor}=="04f9", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0182", ENV{libsane_matched}="yes" to /lib/udev/rules.d/40-libsane.rules.
[14:24] <DarthFrog>  /lib/udev/rules.d/40-libsane.rules. :-)
[14:24] <ionite> DarthFrog: where do i type this?
[14:24] <ionite> DarthFrog: how do i even begin typing this?
[14:24] <DarthFrog> Edit that file and append that line.
[14:25] <ionite> DarthFrog: edit that file? i've got no file?
[14:25] <ionite> DarthFrog: where's the file located?
[14:26] <DarthFrog> kdesudo kate /lib/udev/rules.d/40-libsane.rules
[14:26] <DarthFrog>  /lib/udev/rules.d/40-libsane.rules *is* the file.
[14:26] <DarthFrog> ATTRS{idVendor}=="04f9", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0182", ENV{libsane_matched}="yes"    is the line you want to append.
[14:27] <ionite> DarthFrog: that's the above line for?
[14:27] <ionite> DarthFrog: what do u mean append?
[14:28] <DarthFrog> Add the line at the  bottom of the file.
[14:29] <ionite> DarthFrog: how do i add? all in a single line?
[14:29] <DarthFrog> Yes, it's one line.
[14:29] <ionite> DarthFrog: do i have to add before label ends
[14:30] <DarthFrog> ??
[14:31] <ionite> DarthFrog: u mean i can add that line anywhere?
[14:31] <DarthFrog> Stick it at the bottom.
[14:32] <ionite> DarthFrog: last line: libsane_rules_end
[14:32] <ionite> DarthFrog: i'll enter right after it?
[14:32] <ionite> DarthFrog: then i'll click save?
[14:33] <DarthFrog> Enter it above the rules_end line.
[14:33] <ionite> DarthFrog: what about scsi_rules_end?
[14:33] <ionite> DarthFrog: before or after?
[14:35] <DarthFrog> Enter it above the rules_end line.
[14:35] <ionite> DarthFrog: there after? save and then restart comp?
[14:36] <DarthFrog> Yeah sure, above the scsi line.  Stick it between two other "ATTR" lines.
[14:36] <ionite> DarthFrog: so i'm restarting now...
[14:37] <ionite> DarthFrog: so much for u help! :) btw, any idea about my networking problem?
[14:37] <DarthFrog> ionite: no on the networking.
[14:44] <BluesKaj> BBl, stuff to do
[14:56] <ionite> DarthFrog: i was prompted this
[14:56] <ionite> DarthFrog: failed to open device 'brother2:bus1;dev1': invalid argument
[14:59] <DarthFrog> ionite: Is it a USB device?
[14:59] <ionite> DarthFrog: yes
[15:00] <DarthFrog> That line in libsane.rules actually needs to be between the LABEL="libsane_usb_rules_begin" and LABEL="libsane_usb_rules_end" lines.
[15:00] <ionite> DarthFrog: yep. i did that
[15:01] <DarthFrog> Hmm.  Don't know then, sorry.
[15:09] <ionite> DarthFrog: sorry what's the command in terminal to open the lib rules again?
[15:10] <DarthFrog> To look at it or edit it?  Use "less" to read a file at the command line and "kate" to edit the file graphically.
[15:11] <DarthFrog> Use "history" at the command line to see what commands you've previously issued.
[15:15] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone, i imported bookmarks into rekonq, now it shows up the kmenu, i removed all the bookmarks in rekonq still it shows in the kmenu
[15:16] <DarthFrog> Use kmenuedit.
[15:29] <phoenix_firebrd> DarthFrog: its not showing as a menu item, it shows as a search result in kmenu
[15:31] <latagore> I am not sure if this is expected behaviour: The more windows I have unminimized, the more lag I have. Using the FPS effect, it seems that my computer slows down as I open new windows
[15:31] <latagore> whoops
[15:32] <latagore> Oh wait that's the right one
[15:38] <T_Burn> guys help me....how can i rotate my webcam ?is it possible to change webcam[grab]file???
[15:38] <T_Burn> it is upside down
[15:39] <PiotrN> you could use a set of mirrors
[15:40] <DarthFrog> Or turn the camera itself.
[15:40] <PiotrN> but, iirc for gspca webcam drivers there was a switch to change it
[15:42] <PiotrN> are gspca still in use ?
[15:42] <PiotrN> or all are now in UVC ?
[15:44] <BluesKaj>  router got a firmware update , now all the networked pc IPs were wrong , so i proceeded to change them back when the router auto rebooted and reset the IPs to their previous settings...weird stuff
[15:46] <BluesKaj> bumped us off the internet without warning
[16:11] <boss> DSF
[16:40] <latagore> I am not sure if this is expected behaviour: The more windows I have unminimized, the more lag I have. Using the FPS effect, it seems that my computer slows down as I open new windows
[16:48] <BluesKaj> latagore, which graphics card and driver?
[16:48] <latagore> A really old card, ATI Radeon X1600
[16:49] <latagore> Driver... I just remembered I forgot to install the proprietary one
[16:50] <latagore> So the default that ships with Natty
[16:51] <latagore> and @BluesKaj, in case you aren't keeping up
[16:51] <BluesKaj> latagore,  not sure , check in system . additional drivers
[16:51] <latagore> BluesKaj: None are displayed
[16:54] <BluesKaj> latagore, ok maybe you can upgrade to proprietary driver from ati , but first we need to know what's installed , sudo lshw -C video| grep driver
[16:55] <latagore> BluesKaj: I just installed fglrx just a few seconds ago
[16:55] <BluesKaj> latagore, then you will need to reboot
[16:56] <latagore> BluesKaj: I'll get back to you in a bit then
[17:01] <latagore> BluesKaj: Desktop effects does not seem to be working. I cannot "resume desktop effects"
[17:02] <BluesKaj> latagore, were the desktop effects working previous to the fglrx install ?
[17:02] <latagore> BluesKaj: Yes they were
[17:03] <BluesKaj> iirc fglrx depends a lot on the xorg.conf file settings like DRI=yes etc
[17:04] <latagore> BluesKaj: How would I go about configuring it? Any guides?
[17:04] <BluesKaj> but that was many distros ago , so i'm not sure how to help
[17:04] <latagore> BluesKaj: Alright
[17:05] <BluesKaj> but it's worth searching around , because that card should run dri and 3d without a problem
[17:06] <latagore> alright. It would be nice if distros could come nice and preconfigured nicely ]:
[17:06] <latagore> could come preconfigured nicely*
[17:07] <latagore> BluesKaj: I managed to brute force a few settings and change compositing to XRender, which should do for now
[17:32] <timaeaeaeaea> i
[17:34] <gene76> What is fwcutter called when 10.04 LTS is installed?
[17:35] <holocaust84> Hi peeps, I myself love KDE but I share my computer with someone who is too used to working with a GNOME interface.  I'm following an online guide to install GNOME 3 along side KDE (kubuntu 11.04)... the guide instructs me to input "gksu apt-get update", I am told I do not have this, I then "sudo apt-get install gksu" and retry the original command, I get a GUI box asking for my root password, I enter it, it says it
[17:35] <holocaust84> is incorrect.  I just typed this same password into Konsole to run the session as root, and it is indeed the correct password, any clues?
[17:38] <eeanm> hey. is there a ppa with amarok 2.4.3 in it?
[17:39] <eeanm> ulmlogger: ^^ :D
[17:39] <holocaust84> eeanm did you try just naming the version of amarok with normal "apt-get install" command? usually works for me with a lot of programs
[17:40] <eeanm> its 2.4.0
[17:40] <eeanm> and I have ppa:kubuntu-ppa
[17:40] <gene76> What is fwcutter called when 10.04 LTS is installed?  I need to unpack some winders drivers for a netgear WNA3100 radio dongle
[17:42] <holocaust84> eeanm: try "sudo apt-get install amarok 2.4.3 ... if you have another version you may need to try "sudo apt-get autoremove" after doing this
[17:45] <eeanm> it tries to install a package matching the regex 2.4.3 :D
[17:45] <holocaust84> Maybe I misunderstand the question lol, long day :)
[17:46] <eeanm> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu/ppa/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found
[17:46] <eeanm> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu/ppa/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found
[17:46] <eeanm> I do get this on apt-get update...
[17:46] <eeanm> I just did apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa
[17:47] <eeanm> ah that must be it, it ain't working somehow
[17:53] <holocaust84> eeanm: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:[name of what you want without these brackets]
[17:54] <holocaust84> it should add the PPA's and the GPG key
[17:55] <eeanm> there she is
[17:55] <holocaust84> All good? :)
[17:55] <eeanm> missing /backports
[17:55] <eeanm> yea I think so
[17:56] <holocaust84> the GUI way would be to go to <system><admin><software sources><other software> click 'add' and put in the APT line (prefer the good ol' konsole though
[17:58] <holocaust84> Hi peeps, I myself love KDE but I share my computer with someone who is too used to working with a GNOME interface. I'm following an online guide to install GNOME 3 along side KDE (kubuntu 11.04)... the guide instructs me to input "gksu apt-get update", I am told I do not have this, I then "sudo apt-get install gksu" and retry the original command, I get a GUI box asking for my root password, I enter it, it says it
[17:58] <holocaust84> is incorrect. I just typed this same password into Konsole to run the session as root, and it is indeed the correct password, any clues?
[18:01] <jmichaelx> holocaust84: where did you read that? gksu is used when running gtk GUI apps with superuser privileges. apt-get is not a GUI app.
[18:02] <holocaust84> jmichaelx: http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-to-Install-GNOME-3-on-Ubuntu-11-04-194085.shtml ... This guide, first thing that came up on duckduckgo.com (laziness I admit)
[18:03] <jmichaelx> holocaust84: 'gksu apt-get update' is just wrong
[18:03] <Cobold> Hi folks. I have a problem with my language settings on Kubuntu
[18:03] <Pici> !gnome3
[18:03] <jmichaelx> holocaust84: it should be 'sudo apt-get update'
[18:04] <Cobold> when I tried to install support for Japanese language input methods, the system language got automatically switched to Japanese. I since fixed that for Kubuntu, but my Firefox still displays all websites like Google or Ubuntu wiki in Japanese. >_> Does anybody know how to change that?
[18:04] <eeanm> heh
[18:04] <holocaust84> jmichaelx: I'm aware of most day to day commands (by no means a novice but enough to scrape by) and I too was confused by it, but blindly following a so called "guide" from the website hehe.
[18:05] <eeanm> Cobold: firefox has its own language setting hidden somewhere
[18:05] <Cobold> The menus are no longer Japanese
[18:05] <jmichaelx> holocaust84: also, when you use sudo/gksu/kdesu, the password that is supposed to be entered in the dialogue box is the password of the user (if that user is allowed superuser privileges using sudo). that is not the same as the root password
[18:05] <eeanm> Cobold: reminds me of when I go to Finland... google starts displaying gibberish even when I'm logged in
[18:05] <James147> holocaust84: replace gksu  with kdesudo if you using kde and are following a guide for ubuntu
[18:06] <Cobold> eeanm: wiki.ubuntu.com is also in Japanese now, it's not just Google
[18:06] <jmichaelx> James147: no, in this case he needs sudo....
[18:06] <James147> (though in that case just use plain ole sudo ^^ no need to use gui auth for command line prog
[18:06] <holocaust84> Pici: Thanks for that, I've recently been messing around with various linux variants, including openSUSE which has gnome3 running fine, as does Fedora 15, so it didn't occur to me that it wasn't yet functional on ubuntu
[18:06] <James147> jmichaelx: I was talking more generally
[18:06] <jmichaelx> James147: also, gksu is for gtk apps. kdesu is for qt apps
[18:07] <Pici> holocaust84: It'll be working correctly in the next release of Ubuntu, but the gnome3 release happened too late in the release cycle for things to be properly integrated.
[18:07] <James147> jmichaelx: yeah...
[18:07] <James147> (and kdesudo for kubuntu)
[18:08] <m4730> is there anybody who actually flipped his web cam for 180'?
[18:08] <m4730> i doubt....
[18:08] <jmichaelx> James147: but kdesudo is only used for qt apps, regardless which desktop environment is being used (not that you do not already know this)
[18:08] <holocaust84> Okay thanks peeps, I'm going to leave things as-is until Gnome 3 is stable, and my friend will just have to put up with using my system on KDE, or get his own damned computer! :)
[18:08] <James147> jmichaelx: how is it only used `for` qt apps?
[18:08] <jmichaelx> holocaust84: i have a feeling you migh be better off that way
[18:08] <James147> jmichaelx: i have used it with gtk apps loads of times
[18:08] <jmichaelx> James147: that is what it is for
[18:09] <jmichaelx> James147: you may have, but that defeats the whole purpose
[18:09] <James147> jmichaelx: its a qt front end to launching gui applications... not just for launching qt applications
[18:09] <holocaust84> I may just get around the whole sudo issue and run as root, I have no security concerns (other than my own stupidity, but backups take care of that)
[18:10] <James147> jmichaelx: whats the difference between gksu and kdesu[do] in terms alunching application then?
[18:10] <jmichaelx> James147: kdesu is generally what you want to use when launching qt apps from the command line. gku for gtk apps. most documentation explains it this way
[18:10] <James147> jmichaelx: thats because it assumes if you using a gnome app your comming from gnome and if your using a kde app your commming from kde..
[18:11] <m4730> it is relative
[18:11] <James147> i would say kdesu[do] is generally used on kde kde system and gkso on gtk systems... not for the spicific apps
[18:12] <m4730> now i have a question....how to bloody flip cam for 180' i cannot look myself like this anymore....
[18:12] <jmichaelx> James147: you may ultimately be correct, although there is documentation out there that explains otherwise (again, perhaps wrongly so)
[18:13] <holocaust84> As a side note, couple of questions (not really looking for help, just curious on opinion) 1) Peoples views on Unity (I have to say I can see a lot of effort and hard work went into it, but it doesn't translate to me well at all, it's basically unusable for me right now) and 2) Would running kubuntu (lite I think it's called?) on an ASUS EEE Pad Transformer be a viable option?
[18:13] <James147> jmichaelx: not wrongly... more documenttation for ubuntu focuses on gnome, not kde so it rightly uses gksu (dosnt mean you cannot use kdesu)
[18:13] <James147> jmichaelx: but anyway :) as long as there is no functional difference (unlike sudo vs [gk|kde]su)
[18:15] <James147> holocaust84: 1) looks good for newer less technical users... but like most of gnome I like to ahve options of how i do stuff :) 2) it runs fine on my eee 1005ha :)
[18:15] <jmichaelx> James147: there does appear to be little to no functional difference, which would also support your explanation
[18:16] <James147> jmichaelx: from what I under stand they do the same function but there are two because they hav different dependencies (dont want to install gtk if you only use kde or kde if oyu only use gtk)
[18:17] <holocaust84> James147: Yeah it felt verrry dumbed down and I don't think it got along too well with my graphics card (even with propriatary drivers enabled) , as for the eee pad, it's a tablet / netbook hybrid not a typical netbook, and has android as the default OS, so I'm concerned with driver issues, but I'll no doubt try it out :)
[18:17] <James147> as for kdesu vs kdesudo I think is bacuse kdesu wasnt as functional in teh early days so someone rewrote it (though i could be wrong)
[18:17] <jmichaelx> holocaust84: what graphics card are you using?
[18:17] <holocaust84> jmichaelx: 2x NVIDIA GTS450's in SLI
[18:18] <James147> holocaust84: i think i looked at it breefly... and someone was able to get ubuntu running on it (though it wasnt stright forward)
[18:18] <James147> o-O
[18:19] <holocaust84> James147: it just arrived today via Fed EX, currently waiting the 8 hour saga for it to fully charge, can't wait to get my hands on the little beauty hehe.
[18:19] <James147> yeah... was really intrested in it but really need something with a full os on
[18:20] <James147> (and dident want to risk it not being able to run kde)
[18:21] <holocaust84> James147: From looking at the specs of it, I can't see any reason why the hardware would fail to handle all that kubuntu can throw at it, but I suppose it comes down to compatibility not performance.  That's my main concern with trying it
[18:21] <Cobold> yay I found the hidden firefox settings. No more Japanese :D Ok thanks, bye
[18:21] <James147> holocaust84: I was more consirned with being able to get it on there in the first place :)
[18:21] <jmichaelx> holocaust84: i would also think it could handle a full-blown kde install (barring compatiblity issues)
[18:22] <holocaust84> I quite like Android anyhow, especially this latest version, so it's no biggie, but certainly will be fun to try
[18:22] <holocaust84> I'm just not so keen on Google hehe.
[18:23] <jmichaelx> James147: holocaust84this is all very OT, but i am very interested (as i am sure many others are) in being able to use linux on tablets. android sometimes makes me feel as dirty after using it as windows does
[18:24] <jmichaelx> holocaust84: it can be nice, but android is locked-down, and layered with proprietary junk
[18:24]  * James147 points to #kubuntu-offtopic  :)
[18:26] <holocaust84> I like Android on my smart-phone, it's a beautiful little interface for a phone, I've yet to try it on a tablet, and as jmichaelx just said, its basically windows, goes against most if not all of my beliefts and desires for OS's, in its defense though, it's pretty, it's quick, and it's functional, but if I could get Kubuntu working on it, with all the functions enabled, I'd drop Android in a heartbeat. And yes this
[18:26] <holocaust84> is very off-topic so my apologies hehe [end of OT rant]
[18:34] <skramer_> seems I have a problem with Amarok always forgetting what's in my local collection. Every new start, it believes my collection is empty. Any hint what could be the reason?
[18:41] <ashwin> is there a way i can stop creating temporary files by kwrite,kate?
[18:43] <well_laid_lawn> ashwin: isn't there a setting in the menu for them for that not to happen?
[18:45] <agyei> is there a way to add music files to the playlist of vlc using the right click menu in dolphun?
[18:53] <ashwin> well_laid_lawn: i dont see it anywhre
[18:55] <well_laid_lawn> ashwin: I remember seeing a menu setting for not making backups in one of them but haven't used them in a while
[18:58] <James147> ashwin: there is one ^^
[18:58] <smoke_> hello
[18:58] <James147> settings > configre > save and open > uncheck local files under backup on save
[19:01] <ashwin> James147: thanks
[19:07] <blackflag> !grub
[19:08] <IppatsuMan> Hi all. I'd like to use a different engine for GTK-based apps (right now I am using gtk2-engines-oxygen). I installed gtk2-engines-murrine, but it does not show up in System Settings -> Application Appearance -> GTK+ Appearance -> Widget Style (it only shows Raleigh and gtk-oxygen). How can I fix that?
[19:13] <IppatsuMan> Oh, I had to install murrine-themes. Thanks anyway.
[19:21] <ubuntu> merhaba
[19:24] <jmichaelx> merhaba
[21:45] <pedahzur> Just upgraded to Kubuntu 11.04 (from 9.04).  Everything is working well, except for a couple small (low impact) glitches.  The system will suspend/resume just fine (YAY!) if I do Fn-'Stand by key' (this is a laptop). But it will not sleep if I close the lid. In the power manager, I have "Sleep" set as the action for closing the lid, but to no effect. Ideas?
[22:00] <Guest56221> Yesh why i put my laptop to sleep i gett a dark screen and can't log back on
[22:03] <pedahzur> Guest56221: sometimes linux's sleep/resume code is not compatible with a laptop.  Can you hibernate and resume?
[22:04] <Guest56221> pedahzur: yes hibernate works ok althought my cpy stays on
[22:04] <Guest56221> pedahzur: i have an asus
[22:05] <pedahzur> Guest56221: so it hibernates, but it doesn't shut down?
[22:06] <Guest56221> pedahzur: yes the screen turns off but but i still hear my fan working and when i resume i actually get an error msg
[22:08] <Guest56221> pedahzur: il says failed to suspend. Failure was reported as : Cannot hibernate
[22:08] <James147> Guest56221: so by works ok you mean not at all?
[22:08] <pedahzur> Guest56221: Hmm...how much swap did you allocate when you installed?
[22:09] <Guest56221> pedahzur: i din't create any partitions manually. Did the intall next to windows option
[22:09] <pedahzur> Guest56221: This wouldn't affect sleep, but might affect hibernate: have you rebooted since your last kernel upgrade?
[22:10] <Guest56221> James147: i mean when i hibernate it shows a failure pbl but at least my laptop doesnt freeze on a dark screen. But when i do suspend i get a dark screen and my laptop freeze
[22:11] <Guest56221> pedahzur: i have rebboted several times my laptop.
[22:11] <James147> Guest56221: dosnt mean it "work ok" just means its broken in a different way...
[22:11] <Guest56221> James147: yes it's broken in a different way
[22:12] <Guest56221> James147: i thought that it might be because i installed ubuntu next to windows instead of replacing windows
[22:12] <pedahzur> Guest56221: Can you open a terminal and type 'top' and hit enter?
[22:13] <James147> Guest56221: shouldnt make a difference
[22:13] <pedahzur> Guest56221: in 'top' what does it say next to Swap?
[22:13] <James147> ^^ some laptops just dont like to sleep/hybernate in linux... it stems from a problem with the acpi specs ... :p
[22:14] <James147> ^^ or free -m :)
[22:15] <Guest56221> 260 000k about
[22:15] <Guest56221> of swap memory
[22:15] <Guest56221> James147: what is the acpi specs ?
[22:16] <James147> the standard which governs things like how computers should sleep ^^
[22:17] <Guest56221> ok so i guess i can't really fix it then ?
[22:17] <Guest56221> it's not to anoying but it's unfortunate that's all
[22:18] <James147> might be possible... but I do not know how... although the hybernate might be due to not enough swap (as ram gets written to the swap space during hybernate
[22:23] <lcb> Guest56221: is acpid running? did you by any chance kill that service for good?
[22:24] <lcb> i have an asus too and i never had probs with it
[22:24] <lcb> not this one, btw
[22:24] <Guest56221> lcb: how can i know if acpid is running
[22:24] <lcb> service acpid status
[22:24] <pedahzur> Guest56221: How much memory do you have?
[22:24] <lcb> in terminal
[22:24] <Guest56221> lcb: 4g of ram
[22:25] <pedahzur> Guest56221: Yeah, 4GB of RAM and only 250MB of swap...you won't be able to hibernate.
[22:25] <pedahzur> Guest56221: Sorry to split...gotta run.
[22:26] <Guest56221> lcb: k thanks
[22:26] <lcb> 250 of swap? how's that?
[22:26] <James147> pedahzur: not true ^^ only need enough swap for the ammount of used ram ^^ which is probally more then 250mb anyway :D
[22:26] <Guest56221> i don't know
[22:26] <lcb> Guest56221: is acpid running?
[22:26] <Guest56221> i guess i should havee put 1go of swap
[22:27] <James147> !swap
[22:27] <Guest56221> lcb: i think so
[22:27] <Guest56221> is says
[22:27] <James147> ^^ that should tell you how to increase the amount
[22:27] <Guest56221> acpid start/running , process 1009
[22:27] <lcb> running
[22:28] <lcb> Guest56221: indeed you need to increase swaping. but, anyway, disable desktop effects and any other stuff you might have always running in your system and try again
[22:29] <Guest56221> lcb: how do i disable dekstop effects ?
[22:29] <lcb> that's just to check if the time to take to put your laptop to sleep or whatever decreases
[22:30] <lcb> Guest56221: "System Settings" then "Desktop Effects"
[22:31] <Guest56221> lcb: ok i stopent desktop effects
[22:32] <Guest56221> i still get acpid start/running, process 1009
[22:32] <lcb> wait... you need to increase swap partition. how big is your drive?
[22:33] <Guest56221> 750 G but i think i have less on linux
[22:33] <Guest56221> i don't know how much i have on linux
[22:33] <James147> "df -h" should tell you
[22:33] <lcb> do you have .. like 4 G to give to swap?
[22:36] <lcb> Guest56221: if you do, increase that partition to 6 GB. is better to do that with a partition manager outside your system(s), meaning if youhave a boot cd use it.
[22:37] <lcb> i'm not sure if swapping off within system and increasing it will do any bad, btw
[22:39] <Guest56221> i have 23go left of space
[22:39] <lcb> Guest56221: other question... are you running your other Operating Systems simultaneously and expect the computer to hibernate?
[22:39] <Guest56221> lcb: no i am just runing ubuntu
[22:39] <lcb> are those in Virtual Machines?
[22:40] <Guest56221> lcb: virtual machines ?
[22:40] <lcb> ahh ok, i think you said something like "for linux... space etc".
[22:40] <Guest56221> yes i dedicated 30go ti ubuntu ( linux ) and i hac 23go left of space
[22:40] <James147> ^^ you just need to create a swapfile if you want to increase the size of swap ^^
[22:40] <James147> !swap
[22:41] <lcb> Guest56221: ok, to do the things by the book: (do you have your installation CD)?
[22:42] <Guest56221> lcb:  i have no CD
[22:43] <lcb> changing the terminology... instead of partition we'll call it simply SIZE. You do need to increase that swap size. with your installation CD , run it and open de Device Manager of it. then increase the size of that SWAP to 4 or 6 GBs
[22:43] <Guest56221> istalled directy with the ubuntu site
[22:43] <Guest56221> i know what partition is
[22:43] <Guest56221> the thing is i dont have the CD
[22:43] <lcb> Device Manager (no) Partition Manager
[22:43] <Guest56221> is there any other way
[22:44] <lcb> do you have ultimate boot cd or hiren's boot cd ot partmagic aside?
[22:44] <lcb> ot/or
[22:44] <Guest56221> no cd whatsoever
[22:44] <lcb> usb?
[22:45] <Guest56221> no usb
[22:45] <lcb> one of 256 for instance?
[22:45] <Guest56221> i could create a CD i guess
[22:45] <Guest56221> i have aa 1go usb key
[22:45] <lcb> can you backup what you have in there and install something in there?
[22:48] <Guest56221> Yes i can use my usb key
[22:49] <lcb> Guest56221: in terminal type: sudo apt-get install unetbootin | then insert your usb pen | run unetbootin | select from Distribution "Parted Magic"
[22:50] <Guest56221> lcb: kk one sec
[22:51] <lcb> on the bottom of unetbootin you have "Type:" Select carefully. it needs to be your usb pen. should be something like sdb1  or sdb2 or something. SDB!
[22:53] <lcb> i hope if someone sees anything that might be wrong pls tell it. i never played with swap after installations.
[22:53] <Guest56221> lcb: yes
[22:53] <Guest56221> lcb: then ok
[22:53] <Guest56221> and start intall i guess ??
[22:53] <lcb> Guest56221: check everything before proceeding
[22:54] <lcb> do not install in other partition or drive. make sure is that usb pen
[22:54]  * James147 thinks its easier to create a swap FILE
[22:54] <lcb> James147: with one already there? how to expand it while the system is running? swapping off?
[22:55] <James147> lcb: why touch it? just create a new swap file ^^
[22:55] <Guest56221> lcb: yes i put type:usb
[22:55] <Guest56221> disk image iso i guess ?
[22:55] <James147> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#Four-step%20Process%20to%20Add%20Swap%20File  ^^
[22:56] <lcb> James147: as i said, i never played w swap. i really don't know any method besides the one outside the running system
[22:56]  * James147 has linked to it 3 times now ...
[22:58] <James147> ooo fallocate is now though :)
[22:58] <James147> new ^^ :p
[22:59] <Guest56221> lcb: once i reboot what do di do ?
[22:59] <Guest56221> do i do
[23:01] <lcb> James147: makes sense that "Four-step Process to Add Swap File". Although i don't really believe is good for novices (as i am)
[23:03] <lcb> Guest56221: after running from the usb (your pc needs to recognize the pen, if not you need other steps, in the bios utility boot order)
[23:03] <James147> lcb: whats not good about it? it gives you the commands and is FAR simplier then editing partitions
[23:04] <Guest56221> lcb: ok thanls
[23:05] <lcb> well, Guest56221, Guest56221:  if i recall right you'll get several options to run that utility. select the graphical one. then, after loading select the partition manager.
[23:06] <Guest56221> lcb: kk thanks alot
[23:07] <lcb> then increase the size of swap. now is up to you to use this method or the one of creating a swap file from that page.
[23:08] <lcb> Guest56218: you might need to DEcrease the size of the previous partition, before swap so swap could expand.
[23:08] <James147> he left
[23:08] <lcb> oh
[23:08] <lcb> doing a couple tings at same time and didn't notice :)
[23:10] <lcb> James147: editing fstab and stuff... i don't really think is good for someone who doesn't know how to run in CLÇI :)
[23:10] <lcb> CLI
[23:11] <lcb> but anyway, editing partitions is always not safe, unless we know what we are doing and play safely
[23:12] <lcb> he might be having more problems besides hibernation due to those 25l MB swap
[23:12] <James147> lcb: then just say "echo '/mnt/swap none swap sw 0 0' | sudo tee -a /etc/fstab"  ^^
[23:12] <James147> I doupt it with 4 gigs of ram
[23:12] <James147> lcb: currently using 0mb os swap with no problems
[23:13] <James147> ^^ my laptop ram for ages (and sitll might be) without any swap
[23:13] <James147> without issue
[23:13] <lcb> James147: my understanding, to use acpi in kubuntu, we might need like the 3 times the size of ram
[23:13] <James147> lcb: incorrect
[23:13] <James147> lcb: to hybernate you need at least the ammount of ram currently being used
[23:14] <James147> this is normally, these days, much less then your total ram
[23:14] <lcb> it depends the amount of processes, no?
[23:14] <James147> in older times it needed to be ram + used swap
[23:14] <lcb> and the load of those processes
[23:14] <James147> lcb: yes... but very few people would use more then 1-2 gigs of ram
[23:14] <James147> (that would want to hybernate)
[23:15] <lcb> this machine barely uses swap either but i never checked logs about when i close the lid
[23:16]  * James147 is only using 1.4G here and on my server ^^
[23:16] <James147> and my server has minecraft running on it :)
[23:16] <lcb> James147: tweaked, i bet. now imagine most of users taking care of disabling some services and functionalities
[23:17] <James147> barly tweked... this is a new install on my desktop
[23:17] <lcb> most ppl don't even know that most of services are not necessary. well, a lot of them
[23:18]  * James147 hasnt turned anything off yet on this box
[23:18] <lcb> matter of fact i discovered today i don't have bluetooth on this laptop. so i disabled everything related to it.
[23:22] <lcb> btw, there is a nice utility to help on those services, sudo aptitude install bum
[23:22] <lcb> besides the "Services Manager"
[23:24] <lcb> "Service Manager", not services manager. i think is not in menus
[23:24] <lcb> it's hidden somewhere
[23:24] <James147> there is one in system settings for kde services
[23:25] <lcb> probably that one though
[23:25] <lcb> let me check
[23:25] <lcb> yeah, same one
[23:27] <lcb> hmm, playing with 'bum' i see i have postfix running. why's that?!
[23:28] <lcb> a sudo apt-get --purge remove might tell
[23:29] <lcb> ah..
[23:29] <lcb> The following packages will be REMOVED:: bsd-mailx* google-earth-stable* lsb-core* postfix*


[08:45] <kre10> hey guys, how are you  Can you please help me with something? I'm searching for TVHeadend for ubuntu focal(raspberry 4, ubuntu 64).
[09:10] <lotuspsychje> !info kodi-pvr-hts | kre10 this ?
[09:16] <kre10> hey lotuspsychje :)  no, it's the server
[09:18] <lotuspsychje> kre10: there's a #hts channel if you like
[09:19] <kre10> yeah, I know, but they never asnwer it. I'm not complaing..just saying
[09:22] <kre10> thank you anyway lotuspsychje
[09:22] <kre10> :)
[09:24] <lotuspsychje> kre10: we can only support for the official ubuntu repos/packages so you might wanna contact the maintainer
[09:24] <lotuspsychje> kre10: unless you use snap on your server, there seems to be also a snap
[09:24] <lotuspsychje> tvheadend  4.2.8    diddledan  -      TV streaming server supporting DVB, ATSC, IPTV, and SAT>IP
[09:49] <kre10> so there's tvheadend in snap?
[09:59] <kre10> lotuspsychje where snap will install the tvheadend server? in which directory?
[12:52] <lotuspsychje> kre10: /snap
[13:04] <kre10> ok
[15:35] <CuChulaind> Hello. I have a fresh install of Server 20.04.1, Upon initial boot after the install it hangs at Reached target Cloud-init target. This is for an old HP Proliant  ml350 G6
[15:55] <Aison0> how do I allow this operation: apparmor="DENIED" operation="connect" info="Failed name lookup - disconnected path" error=-13 profile="/usr/sbin/dhcpd" name="run/slapd-inetserv.socket" pid=1108701 comm="isc-worker0000" requested_mask="wr" denied_mask="wr" fsuid=110 ouid=0
[15:55] <Aison0> in apparmor.d
[16:20] <sdeziel> Aison0: you should be able to put a rule in /etc/apparmor.d/local.usr.sbin.dhcpd
[16:21] <sdeziel> err, that would be in /etc/apparmor.d/local/usr.sbin.dhcpd
[16:23] <sdeziel> but the "disconnected path" might require you also add "flags=(attach_disconnected)" to the main profile file (/etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.dhcpd)
[16:24] <sdeziel> Aison0: you brought that issue up some time ago if I'm not mistaken. If you have a way to reproduce this problem, it would be bug-worthy IMHO.
[19:09] <Aison0> sdeziel, thx, i'm working on it
[19:09] <Aison0> sdeziel, still no idea what's causing the problem
[19:10] <sdeziel> Aison0: wild guess: do you have some dynamic DNS registration hook?
[19:10] <Aison0> sdeziel, yes
[19:11] <sdeziel> Aison0: what's your /etc/nsswitch.conf like again?
[19:13] <Aison0> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Wn92Fs2QHx/
[19:17] <sdeziel> Aison0: I'm not too familiar with dynamic DNS registration but can you share the config (minus the TSIG key ;) )
[19:20] <sdeziel> Aison0: I'm suspecting that when dhcpd assigns a lease, it wants to then register the hostname to the dynamic zone and for some reason, it does a host lookup (DNS A/AAAA) which causes it to hit LDAP for hostname resolution
[19:21] <sdeziel> I'm hoping to find a DNS name in your dhcpd dynamic DNS hook ;)
[19:22] <Aison0> that's the zone/subnet: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rPhqyBGjcg/
[19:23] <Aison0> that's the main config: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/B7kB9qrr2T/
[19:24] <Aison0> why should there be an ldap lookup for the hostname? because of hosts:          files dns ldap?
[19:26] <sdeziel> Aison0: I think those resolution are due to "get-lease-hostnames"
[19:32] <Aison> hmm
[19:34] <sarnold> Aison: Thu 13 19:26:09 < sdeziel> Aison0: I think those resolution are due to "get-lease-hostnames"
[19:35] <sdeziel> Aison: if I understand "get-lease-hostnames" description properly, it would imply that dhcpd does a A lookups for each address in the lease pool
[19:37] <sdeziel> I'm not clear as to when that/those lookup(s) happen though. Right before the assignment would make sense but I don't know for sure. strace'ing that worker would probably tell you what it is trying to do
[19:54] <Aison> sdeziel, yes, I think strace would be a good option
[19:54] <sdeziel> Aison: I'm about to go offline but if you do open a LP bug, please subscribe me (same username as here)
[19:56] <Aison> sdeziel, ok, thx for help :)
[19:56] <sdeziel> np


[00:43] <Unit193> Woah, not you again! ;)
[00:43] <Unit193> Wait, I was supposed to start with "Hello yano and welcome to the Ubuntu Ohio LoCo!"
[00:45] <yano> me again?
[00:45] <yano> Hello Unit193
[00:45] <yano> hehe
[00:49] <Unit193> So, you in Ohio? Use Ubuntu too? (Or just here to take a quick peek?)
[00:51] <yano> I'm in Ohio, and I use Ubuntu in one of my VMs.
[00:51] <Unit193> Cool, just getting to know you in this area
[00:57] <yano> cool
[00:57] <yano> is this mostly columbus based?
[01:00] <Unit193> Quite a few it seems, but not fully (As seen from http://i.imgur.com/Vhbgk.png and http://ohio.ubuntu-us.org/map/user )
[01:04] <yano> cool
[01:04] <yano> looks like there might be a dot where i am at now
[01:05] <Unit193> So, where you from?
[01:06] <yano> north east ohio, near youngstown
[01:10] <Unit193> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam/ReLoCos None quite *that* close
[01:46] <thafreak> near youngstown
[01:47] <thafreak> that's usually code for boardman, canfield, austintown... :)
[01:47] <yano> or just a tad further
[01:47] <yano> :-)
[01:48] <thafreak> east liverpool? :)
[01:48] <thafreak> salem
[01:48] <thafreak> poland
[01:48] <paultag> yano: here too? :)
[01:48] <paultag> yano: one would think you're slowly coming after me :)
[01:48] <thafreak> oh, a tag stalker?
[01:49] <paultag> thafreak: [s]he just joined #whube too, not often that happens :)
[01:49] <thafreak> weird
[01:49] <yano> one of you, was/is a room that i frequent and didn't know who you were, craft googling lead me to here and #whube
[01:49] <yano> :-P
[01:50] <thafreak> ha
[01:50] <paultag> :)
[01:50] <thafreak> wait, it wasn't about hubzero was it...
[01:50] <yano> hubzero?
[01:50] <thafreak> wish i never brought that up in here
[01:50] <paultag> y'rly
[01:50] <thafreak> ok...don't bother
[01:50] <paultag> that dude was creepy
[01:50] <thafreak> something i was complaining about...and now the chat logs show up if you google for it
[01:51] <yano> nah
[01:51] <yano> i was actually curious how you guys found my channel, though, it could be because you were/are in the columbus area
[01:52] <thafreak> alot of folks are...
[01:52] <paultag> yano: wait, which channel?
[01:52] <thafreak> ohio linux fest is down there
[01:52] <yano> the channel for the OSU Open Source Club, #osu_osc
[01:52] <thafreak> oh
[01:52] <paultag> aaaaahhhhhhhhh
[01:52] <thafreak> i just started lurking there
[01:52] <yano> i've noticed. ;-)
[01:53] <thafreak> been on the cohpy mailing list for a few years and the osc mailing list, ever since I went to pyohio
[01:53] <thafreak> saw the chatroom mentioned on the list...thought I'd lurk
[01:54] <yano> cool
[01:54] <yano> yea cohpy has a channel, #cohpy. very small activity though
[01:54] <thafreak> so you really from "near ytown"?
[01:54] <yano> yea, well at least now i am
[01:55] <yano> i was in columbus for a while
[01:56] <thafreak> interesting...
[01:56] <thafreak> did you move there for a job?
[01:56] <yano> school
[01:56] <thafreak> oh ysu?
[01:56] <yano> oh, no i moved to columbus for school
[01:56] <thafreak> OH
[01:56] <thafreak> so you started near ytown and came back...ok got it...
[01:56] <paultag> IO!
[01:57] <Cheri703> skellat is out that way yano
[01:57] <yano> i'm back home for a bit; then planning on either heading back to finish degree or go somewhere else
[01:57] <yano> yep
[01:57] <thafreak> what were you studying?
[01:57] <yano> Computer Science and Engineering
[01:57] <thafreak> like both...or CSE?
[01:58] <yano> yea, it's one degree
[01:58] <thafreak> gotcha...
[01:58] <yano> though, iirc, only two universities in Ohio offer the fused degree
[01:58] <yano> Case and OSU
[01:58] <thafreak> it's an EE degree?
[01:59] <yano> not really, it's more of a software theory + electrical degree
[01:59] <yano> there is an ECE program
[01:59] <thafreak> i think akron also has a...wait, not it's a computer engineering degree at akron
[01:59] <yano> it's rather complicated
[01:59] <thafreak> so is it a BS or a BSEE
[02:00] <yano> OSU has a BS CSE, BS CIS, and a BA CIS. then they have a BS ECE
[02:00] <yano> where CIS is Computer Information Systems
[02:00] <yano> and ECE is Electrical and Computer Engineering
[02:00] <yano> http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/ugrad/ -- describes the differences between the CSE/CIS better than I could
[02:00] <thafreak> That sounds like alot of very related stuff
[02:01] <thafreak> Kent had CS CIS and a separate one in "Technology"
[02:01] <thafreak> now, they have yet another degree...in "digital sciences" which is a mix of everything
[02:02] <yano> yea; i originally started at kent without committing to a major
[02:02] <paultag> yano: I went to john carroll
[02:02] <paultag> so I know them folks down by kent well
[02:03] <paultag> kent read, kent write, kent state ;)
[02:03] <thafreak> wasn't jcu more of an engineering slant too?
[02:03] <thafreak> blah blah blah
[02:03] <paultag> thafreak: nah brah
[02:03] <paultag> thafreak: I have a theoretical degree
[02:03] <thafreak> just because they gave me some degrees, doesn't mean they're THAT bad ;)
[02:03] <paultag> ah damn
[02:04] <paultag> I forgot you went to kent
[02:04] <thafreak> your degree is just theoretical? :)
[02:04] <paultag> duh :)
[02:04] <paultag> I can't be trusted with one in practiced
[02:04] <paultag> practice *
[02:04] <thafreak> well, theoretically, I'm a doctor :)
[02:05] <paultag> :)
[02:05] <paultag> dude
[02:06] <thafreak> brah
[02:06] <paultag> the state of MA is going to thik i'm a terrorist
[02:06] <thafreak> what now
[02:06] <paultag> I just got like, military grade data on everything I can
[02:06] <paultag> thafreak: read the backlog in #whube
[02:06] <thafreak> you hanging out with that rommney char?
[02:06] <paultag> dude
[02:06] <paultag> this data is nuts
[02:07] <paultag> I have every single private and public road in the state of MA
[02:07] <paultag> this whole opengov thing rock
[02:07] <paultag> s
[02:08] <thafreak> what about the roads?
[02:08] <thafreak> like diff than what open street map proj does?
[02:09] <paultag> thafreak: osm has this dataset, but they have to manually do some of it too
[02:09] <paultag> thafreak: this is from the state, this is the data they use themselves
[02:10] <thafreak> i think you get data boners
[02:10] <thafreak> ;)
[02:10] <paultag> dude
[02:11] <paultag> full on
[02:11] <thafreak> lol
[02:11] <thafreak> gotta go keep the wife company for a bit (and write a midterm exam)...
[02:12] <paultag> thafreak: gl
[02:12] <thafreak> also, need to stop her from watching bachelor/bachelorette...whatever the hell is on
[02:12] <thafreak> sometimes I hate the TV
[02:13] <thafreak> cancelled cable cause she started watching MTV all the time (jersey shore, 16 and pregnant, etc)...
[02:13] <thafreak> can't cancel over the air tv though...stupid ABC
[02:13] <yano> i only watch stuff online or via netflix
[02:13] <yano> i can't stand commercials
[02:13] <paultag> yano++
[02:13] <thafreak> i just hate horrible programming
[02:14] <thafreak> haha...funny thought
[02:14] <paultag> label foo; while ( true ) { goto foo; }
[02:14] <yano> and with the right firefox extensions you can watch most things on network websites without ads at all
[02:14] <yano> and youtube, ofc
[02:14] <thafreak> horrible programming, both why MTV AND Micro$oft suck....LOL
[02:14] <paultag> :)
[02:14] <paultag> 02:14 < paultag> label foo; while ( true ) { goto foo; }
[02:14] <thafreak> and with that...I'm out...for now
[02:14] <paultag> already made the joke
[02:15] <paultag> holy bejeezus is this detailed
[02:15] <thafreak> gimme a break, I'm slow
[02:15] <yano> yea i need to leave for a bit too
[15:38] <thafreak> So...how do you monitor your monitoring server?
[15:38] <thafreak> Say you have 4 servers that all run VMs...
[15:39] <thafreak> you can run a VM to do monitoring of your other VMs...but then what about monitoring the physical hosts?
[16:17] <dzho> it's monitor hosts all the way down
[16:17] <dzho> almost enough to make me want to form a host monitoring web ring
[16:56] <thafreak> lately, I've been having problems with my physical hosts crashing, and some vm's become unusable...
[16:56] <thafreak> so I don't feel confident having just a VM running my monitoring
[16:57] <thafreak> but the hardware the vm's are on, is also pretty redundant...so i kind of want to use it...
[16:57] <thafreak> might just have one vm on each physical server monitoring every other server...
[16:57] <thafreak> and then another just plain desktop monitor all the monitoring machines...
[16:58] <thafreak> tired of coming into work and seeing something is down...but only to find out because a user emailed me
[16:59] <thafreak> Also, my confidence in KVM on ubuntu is starting to get shaky
[17:00] <thafreak> i've had WAY fewer problems with xen...course I wasn't doing NFS/iSCSI backed virtual disks with xen
[17:00] <thafreak> so it could be other factors...but still
[19:41] <thafreak> Anyone tryout samba4 yet?
[20:39] <thafreak> http://digitizor.com/2012/02/07/canonical-to-stop-funding-for-kubuntu/
[20:41] <Unit193> http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/2012/02/07/changes-in-kubuntu/ http://blogs.kde.org/node/4531 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2012-February/005782.html https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2012-February/005781.html
[20:41] <Unit193> Forget the last one