[00:00] <Brispere> wilee-nilee, i still cant find it, I have 2 hard drives but those fixes dont apply to me as i simply cannot find the uefi path
[00:03] <nimbiotics> hello what is a good channel to ask questions about ssh?
[00:04] <nimbiotics> got it
[00:05] <wilee-nilee> Brispere, I doubt you will get any timely are even accurate help here though. uefi is a bit of a mess per manufacturers versions
[00:05] <Brispere> alright
[00:35] <Levi__> hello
[00:37] <dr_willis> howdys
[00:37] <reisio> 'lo
[00:39] <Levi__> so does anybody questions i could answer
[00:40] <dr_willis> so far.. its been quiet... too quiet.
[00:40] <Levi__> yes yes it has
[00:40] <reisio> a little too Raph
[00:41] <Levi__> but thats kind of good that there is no problems with ubuntu
[00:45] <mr-blah> can erase the windos efi bootloader, and just install grub over it?
[00:46] <mr-blah> I can get the grub menu fr some reason
[00:46] <Levi__> are you using mac
[00:46] <mr-blah> usin a pc
[00:46] <Levi__> windows does not use efi
[00:46] <mr-blah> oh
[00:46] <wilee-nilee> mr-blah, This a W8 OEM install originally?
[00:47] <Levi__> are you dualbooting
[00:47] <mr-blah> it's windows 7
[00:47] <mr-blah> yes dual boot
[00:47] <wilee-nilee> mr-blah, Okay a OEM uefi?
[00:47] <mr-blah> i think so
[00:48] <wilee-nilee> mr-blah, The uefi is in the chip and bios most likely.
[00:48] <mr-blah> it has a fat32 partition, and a ntfs one
[00:48] <mr-blah> it will install ubuntu, but the grub menu does not coe up. it goes straight to windows :(
[00:48] <Levi__> what is the fat 32 for
[00:49] <mr-blah> i think the fat32 is the boo loader
[00:49] <Levi__> oh
[00:49] <wilee-nilee> mr-blah, Have you seen the uefi bot link?
[00:49] <mr-blah> where is that?
[00:49] <Levi__> you might have to wipe out windows and ubuntu and reinstall it
[00:49] <wilee-nilee> !uefi | mr-blah right here.
[00:50] <wilee-nilee> Levi__, You are not even close, don't just suggest what you have no idea in.
[00:50] <Levi__> ok srry
[00:51] <wilee-nilee> Levi__, Be glad to give you bricking advice if you like. ;)
[00:51] <Levi__> ok thanks i guess
[00:52] <Levi__> so
[00:52] <dr_willis> im planing on waiting a long time befor i buy my next pc. or build my own. with all this uefi confusion goin gon right now.  ;)
[00:53] <Levi__> if your computer is uefi dont you install with a 64bit ubuntu os
[00:53] <mr-blah> this is gonna tak forever
[00:54] <wilee-nilee> mr-blah, This is good thread to be aware of as well, and this mod specifically. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2147295
[00:54] <mr-blah> it says uefi enabled
[00:56] <reisio> dr_willis: well if you bought/assembled your own, it would lack confusion
[00:56] <reisio> the confusion is in the randomness you get with a random prebuilt computer
[00:56] <reisio> in fact, if you build your own, it needn't even have UEFI
[00:56] <reisio> still plenty of competitive hardware without it
[00:56] <reisio> and probably will be for years and years and years
[00:58] <wilee-nilee> I would not mind it if there was a standard release, not the per manufacturers versions, gpt is not a bad thing as far a a by product
[00:58] <dr_willis> waiting for that 'steam box'  ;) but havent heard anyuthing about it recently
[00:59] <mr-blah> ug
[01:00] <mr-blah> i hate this
[01:00] <reisio> yeah gpt is irrelevant
[01:00] <reisio> nothing to it
[01:00] <reisio> and there'd be nothing to UEFI if it were implemented in a standardized way
[01:00] <reisio> although it would still be not a particular improvement over BIOS
[01:00] <mr-blah> so the uefi partition is the fat32 one?
[01:01] <mr-blah> i'm just gonna wipe the whole machine
[01:01] <mr-blah> this is tpp annoying
[01:08] <aespinoza> Hi guys...
[01:09] <aespinoza> does anyone know if dual graphics cards are supported in linux ? My laptop has 2 graphics cards to improve battery usage.
[01:11] <wilee-nilee> aespinoza, Not a new issue state the graphic hardware and your problems to the channel.
[01:12] <reisio> aespinoza: yes, to varying degrees
[01:12] <reisio> aespinoza: do a search for your laptop model and "linux" and "graphics"
[01:21] <Delapena> a
[01:22] <mr-blah> guys, seriuosly. this laptop says uefi enabled, and it won't go into the grub menu
[01:22] <Delapena> aespinoza: yes they are but it's completely dependent on model and driver availability
[01:23] <mr-blah> do i need to disable uefi or what
[01:23] <Delapena> mr-blah: have you tried spamming F9
[01:24] <mr-blah> Delapena: what does that do
[01:25] <Delapena> on my computer it forces grub to appear
[01:25] <Delapena> i had an issue somewhat similar to that one
[01:25] <adzy> ZFS question: is it normal for txg_sync to be writing to disk every 5 seconds? I've had this pool running for a week, and this is the first time I've noticed it
[01:26] <aespinoza> Delapena: Do you know any site where I can find out if my drivers are supported ?
[01:26]  * wilee-nilee waits for the country song "I thought you were a chicken, but you're really uefi"
[01:27] <Delapena> aespinoza: what cards ya got? should be able to do what the other guy said and just google the names with the linux after it
[01:28] <Delapena> !whois aawoods
[01:29] <mk> I'd like to image a disk with ubuntu and win partitions, wipe it, and then potentially clone the image onto another disk (or the same disk)
[01:29] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HybridGraphics
[01:30] <mk> what is the best way to do this?
[01:30] <mr-blah> hey thanks guys. i think i can fix it with tht info
[01:30] <mr-blah> Delapena: thanks
[01:30] <OerHeks> !clone
[01:31] <wilee-nilee> mk, This a standard HD set up no uefi? Do you want it on a same size or bigger or smaller HD, besides the original?
[01:31] <mk> not package replication. The other partition is windows. I want a data copy
[01:32] <wilee-nilee> mk, Image suggests cloning.
[01:33] <mk> wilee-nilee: I'd guess no uefi, it's on an older laptop. I'd be happy if I can get it cloned back to the exact same drive
[01:34] <wilee-nilee> mk, I use clonezilla for most cloning, is limited to a equal or larger space put back to, and can have parttion numbers changed in the save if different on the reload.
[01:35] <wilee-nilee> saves the mbr kinda handy
[01:35] <mk> wilee-nilee: can I run that without setting up a boot disk or usb?
[01:35] <mk> ideally, I'd like to place the image onto the very same drive, then ftp it out
[01:35] <wilee-nilee> nope you need a boot disc or usb in general.
[01:36] <jupilotropoy> Clonezilla is one of the essential tools in my kit (I'm a PC technician)
[01:36] <mk> hmm, would be nice if there were an on-reboot variant
[01:37] <mk> will I be able to place the image onto the same hd?
[01:37] <wilee-nilee> mk, only limited by space returned to be equal or larger that the original.
[01:38] <wilee-nilee> than*
[01:38] <mk> wilee-nilee: oh, sorry - I mean, while doing the clone from usb, or will I need to place the image onto the usb (not enough space there)
[01:38] <wilee-nilee> mk, Has to go somewhere it is in packages, I use an externa;
[01:41] <mk> I don't have access to my external. Any other way to do it, like making another partition? I guess the main thing I'm worried about is getting the win install back on in good shape, because it would be a pain to re-install, and the nix I could do with even just copying the home dir
[01:42] <wilee-nilee> mk, Clonezilla just saves the data so if you had a partition that is large enough you could use the HD.
[01:42] <wilee-nilee> Does not save the partition size amount just the data in it.
[01:42] <TsarObomba> Anyone know if goog;le music puts drm on your music after you upload?
[01:43] <Agrepha> help me get sound through ubuntu 13.04 hdmi connection through flatscreen
[01:43] <TsarObomba> like id you use google music manager, it gives you a choice of redownloading all songs or just the ones you bought
[01:43] <TsarObomba> which made me leary about drm
[01:43] <TsarObomba> but im downloading over 3K songs anyway...
[01:44] <TsarObomba> hmm, guess not. looks like normal mp3 no drm
[01:45] <mk> I've had a problem getting a copied win partition to boot in the past after copy - can I expect clonezilla to create exactly the same partition (or larger), and the bootloader to pick it up properly?
[01:47] <wilee-nilee> mk, You can create the partition, and use clonezilla to load it, however I think you can have it do a full HD reload without making partitions. I have seen people have problems when they have the partitions full, and not organized...IE defragged...etc
[01:48] <wilee-nilee> never had a problem myself, but I am careful how I do this.
[01:48] <wilee-nilee> mk, What is athe windows release, everyone since XP has a built in imager.
[01:49] <airtonix> google chrome keeps opening itself . !!!!!!111111oneoneoen1111oneonepony1111!!
[01:50] <mk> wilee-nilee: post-xp. Could it image itself onto itself? It cant write to ext...
[01:50] <ntzrmtthihu777> heyo! any info on xorg.conf.d configurations to bind scroll wheel motion to a joypad button (not axis, doing that doesn't quite work for the keys I have in mind. the l2 and r2 axes start at -30000 or so, and that makes it autoscroll when the key is not depressed, so I want to try binding it to the the l/r-2 *button*, not the axes)
[01:51] <mk> airtonix: try #chrome
[01:51] <ntzrmtthihu777> or, barring that a better way to bind it to an axis? Its a sixaxis ps3 pad
[01:52] <airtonix> mk it actually only started happening when i re-enabled gdm instead of lightdm
[01:52] <wilee-nilee> mk, No, I think you need read up on imaging, what is the issue that has you needing to do this?
[01:55] <mk> wilee-nilee: I have a win and a nix partition. I want to back them both up, and put them back into place in a month, but without wasting my time dealing with boot issues
[01:56] <wilee-nilee> mk, Then get a external and image the whole HD, I'm not really into helping on a restricted tool environment.
[01:56] <NedsFlam> Does anyone here know of a channel for electical engineering?
[01:56] <ntzrmtthihu777> !alis
[01:57] <Avgva2> hey guys
[01:57] <NedsFlam> thanks ntzrmtthihu777
[01:57] <mcmanus_> hey, question for you all- are IRC channels persistent, or are new users only able to see posts after they've joined?
[01:58] <ltrottier> single touch works on my Quanta device. any advice for getting multitouch working?
[01:58] <ltrottier> have googled about, and not much is forthcoming
[01:59] <mk> wilee-nilee: I don't have access to my external. It should be easier for me to clone a disk than it is for me to just go out and buy a second disk.
[01:59] <AntORG> mcmanus_, you only see what was posted after your joined. There are online logs somewhere though.
[02:00] <mk> mcmanus_: that's a question for #freenode . Most have logging, so your messages are permanent.
[02:00] <ntzrmtthihu777> ltrottier: what quanta device?
[02:00] <mcmanus_> AntORG & mk- thanks, i'll ask over there
[02:00] <ltrottier> OpticalTouchScreen
[02:01] <ltrottier> ViewSonic TD2220
[02:01] <ntzrmtthihu777> ltrottier: what machine it come on?
[02:02] <ltrottier> ntzrmtthihu777: the docs seem pretty out of date
[02:03] <ltrottier> is there some setting, on some panel somewhere, where I just need to turn it on?
[02:04] <parallels> hello all
[02:04] <parallels> ?
[02:04] <daya> what is the role of PE on creating LVM; Could I have more that 8 TB with default 4MB P
[02:05] <parallels> how can I upgrade from 12.04 to 13.04?
[02:06] <daya> parallels: First upgrade to 12.10 and then 13.04
[02:07] <parallels> daya how do I do that because I'm using paralles on my iMac
[02:07] <dr_willis> !upgrade
[02:07] <dr_willis> use the 'do-release-upgrade' tool
[02:07] <daya> parallels: yeah follow the above link
[02:07] <parallels> I went to the terminal and I type  sudo apt-get upgrade and it's not upgrading to 12.10
[02:08] <dr_willis> parallels:  thats because that is NOT what that command does
[02:08] <daya> apt-get dist upgrade possibly work
[02:08] <dr_willis> thats not what dist-upgrade does wither
[02:08] <dr_willis> either
[02:08] <dr_willis> again  --> 'do-release-upgrade' with the proper options  to upgrade to the next release
[02:08] <parallels> can I upgrade from the terminal or do I have to download the 12.10 version?
[02:09] <dr_willis> parallels:  read the url the bot gave above
[02:09] <green_geeky_dude> (Wonders if e has upgrades set to LTS only)
[02:09] <dr_willis> You will need to tell it to upgrade to the non-lts release with an option
[02:09] <daya> dr_willis: Any idea about LVM PE?
[02:09] <dr_willis> it might be much faster to just do a clean install
[02:09] <dr_willis> daya:  i dont usse LVM - so nope.
[02:10] <daya> dr_willis: ok no prob
[02:10] <al_la> Hi all, a quick question: I use virtualbox; there is a problem with starting virtual machines and the only workaround I've found is ensuring linux headers and headers generic are installed for the kernel I'm on which seems to solve it.  Every time a kernel update comes out I have to install the new linux-headers-3.x.x-xx and linux-headers.3.x.x-xx-generic.  Is there any reason to keep the old ones?  Or for that matter, all of the old linux-im
[02:10] <al_la> age-extra-3.x.x-xx-generic files?
[02:11] <ltrottier> ntzrmtthihu777: geistest says "error subscribing to gestures"
[02:11] <Shaunt_> Hello everyone, I've created a bootable usb for Ubuntu 13.10, however I don't know how to boot with it because my laptop is currently running Ubuntu 13.04. Can anyone tell me how to do this?
[02:11] <ltrottier> error subscribing window
[02:11] <jrib> al_la: how did you install vbox?
[02:11] <al_la> jrib: ubuntu software manager
[02:12] <jrib> al_la: are you using dkms?
[02:12] <dr_willis> Shaunt_:  tell the pc to boot the usb via its bios. or whatever special key  you hit at boot time ti seledt the boot device
[02:12] <dr_willis> to select the boot device..  ;)   often, esc, del, f1 o2 f8 or f9
[02:13] <dr_willis> the os on the laptop - shouldent matter. since you are teling the bios what to do. befor the os boots
[02:13] <toddaaro> can anyone help me with xorg problems? I have an i7-3770k with integrated graphics in addition to my discrete amd card, and the integrated graphics are confusing the hell out of ubuntu. currently stuck at x segfaulting: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3021495
[02:13] <al_la> jrib: I don't know exactly ... still somewhat novice.  What is dkms?
[02:13] <Shaunt_> dr_willis: Does this apply to computers who's default OS is already Ubuntu? Because I don't see any boot selection options when I start up my laptop.
[02:14] <ltrottier> anyone have advice on getting a Quanta OpticalTouchScreen device working (ViewSonic TD2220) ?
[02:14] <jrib> al_la: dkms automatically rebuilds kernel modules when you upgrade your kernel.  Try « dkms status »
[02:15] <al_la> jrib: installed for several kernel versions it appears
[02:15] <dr_willis> ltrottier:  i often look at the archlinux wiki pages for new/unusual hardware. they often have some goood guides - but not all of it will apply to ubuntu
[02:16] <ltrottier> dr_willis: checking ..
[02:18] <jrib> al_la: the virtualbox module is or what?  dkms does more than just virtualbox
[02:23] <ltrottier> dr_willis: well, single touch should do the job for now ...
[02:23] <al_la> jrib: virtualbox, 4.2.10, 3.8.0-19-generic, x86_64: installed
[02:24] <al_la> jrib: several lines like that for different kernel versions
[02:24] <jrib> al_la: sure, you can remove old headers and old kernels.  You shouldn't have to install new headers for your new kernel manually though. Just make sure you have the right meta-package installed for them
[02:25] <ntzrmtthihu777> ltrottier: hmm. What DE you using/
[02:25] <ltrottier> DE?
[02:25] <al_la> jrib: sorry, again novice here.  What does that mean to have the right meta-package?
[02:25] <ltrottier> Desktop environment? unity
[02:25] <ntzrmtthihu777> ltrottier: desktop environment
[02:26] <ltrottier> ntzrmtthihu777: unity
[02:26] <shaunt> Sorry, I was kicked off earlier.
[02:26] <ltrottier> ntzrmtthihu777: everything is basically standard. 13.04
[02:26] <ntzrmtthihu777> ltrottier: unity snatches all gestures, so you can't remap occupied stuffs, without patching unity and removing the default gestures
[02:26] <al_la> jrib: brb, rebooting
[02:27] <jrib> erm
[02:27] <ltrottier> ntzrmtthihu777: that's lame. I can't just turn off gesture-snatching?
[02:27] <ntzrmtthihu777> ltrottier: can't give you much more info, I just made the jump from *buntu to arch linux, so I can't give you explicit details.
[02:27] <ntzrmtthihu777> ltrottier: nope, take it up with canonical
[02:27] <ltrottier> ntzrmtthihu777: hmm k. thanks, though
[02:28] <csffsc> Hello
[02:28] <ntzrmtthihu777> ltrottier: it an easy patch, just commenting out a section, but recompiling and reinstalling unity is a long, cpu intensive process
[02:28] <csffsc> I'm in the process of installing Ubuntu 13.04 from a live 'usb' stick
[02:29] <ntzrmtthihu777> csffsc: and your problem is?
[02:29] <ltrottier> ntzrmtthihu777: yeah. k. hm.
[02:29] <csffsc> booted in, ran the install program, after 3 or 4 minutes - the install program reports back that an operating system is not detected
[02:29] <ltrottier> I could just use a different DE
[02:29] <ltrottier> I really don't give a crap one way or the other
[02:29] <csffsc> It's a 128gb ssd, with windows 7 on it.. about 70gb is free
[02:30] <csffsc> Windows 7 isn't uefi.. it's ACHI (AHCI?)
[02:30] <ntzrmtthihu777> csffsc: plenty of room,
[02:30] <csffsc> I agree the is plenty of room, however I was hoping to dualboot
[02:31] <LinuxGold> run Win 7 inside linux host
[02:31] <ntzrmtthihu777> ltrottier: try lxde, or xfce, lightweight and highly configureable. you'll need to install touchegg, but its in the repos, and the config file is pretty simple to understand.
[02:31] <rscnt> someone needs help?
[02:31] <ntzrmtthihu777> csffsc: again, plenty of room, even for a dual boot
[02:32] <toddaaro> anyone able to help with an xorg segfault on startup? http://pastebin.com/zCa0j8cK
[02:32] <rscnt> of course
[02:32] <csffsc> The Installation program does not recognize the windows 7 installation
[02:32] <csffsc> in the past, ubuntu has recongized windows installations, and provided an option to 'install alongside'
[02:32] <toddaaro> rscnt: yay, the core of the issue is probably that this machine has an ivy bridge chip with graphics, but I'm trying to use an amd card instead
[02:33] <nerdtron> morning
[02:33] <wilee-nilee> csffsc, does windows show in gparted?
[02:33] <ltrottier> ntzrmtthihu777: k, will keep in mind. hopefully single touch will do for now ...
[02:34] <al_la> jrib: back, sry
[02:34] <jrib> al_la: you probably want linux-headers-generic installed assuming that corresponds to your kernel
[02:34] <ntzrmtthihu777> ltrottier: google the device number of your device, it may be informmative. I had to install custom firmaware for my n-trig touch screen.
[02:35] <ltrottier> ntzrmtthihu777: hm. good thought.
[02:35] <ntzrmtthihu777> ltrottier: I now have 4 (or was it 5?) detected touch points.
[02:35] <ltrottier> oh nice.
[02:35] <al_la> jrib: right, vbox starts with errors unless I install the linux-headers-generic, then every time the kernel updates I have to manually install the new ones.
[02:35] <csffsc> Just opened Gparted.  Got an interesting Prompt: /dev/sdA: contains GPT signatures, indicating there is a GPT table, however it does not have a valid fake msdos partition table, as it should.  Perhaps it was currupted .  Or perhaps the gpt table was deleted and are now using an ms dos partition table.  [Is this a GPT partition Table Yes/NO]
[02:35] <jrib> al_la: no, "linux-headers-generic" is a single package that automatically installes the headers for newer kernels
[02:36] <csffsc> The windows 7 installation was orginally installed with the bios setup in IDE mode, I then reconfigured it to ACHI.
[02:36] <al_la> jrib: oh snap
[02:36] <csffsc> I'm not sure if that impacts the tables.
[02:37] <al_la> jrib: does it automatically remove old as well?
[02:37] <wilee-nilee> csffsc, I have seen people on here with oem W7 installs that were uefi, the fastboot windows thing with gpt partitioning, generally we see this with W8 oem's.
[02:38] <csffsc> Today I reinstalled windows 7, and updated all of my firmware
[02:38] <csffsc> my motherboard had some itneresting intel fast boot crap added to it
[02:39] <wilee-nilee> csffsc, Sounds like you have the uefi on board, how did you reinstall? use nicks as well here.
[02:39] <csffsc> The only uefi on board is from the USB thumbdrive (for ubuntu 13.04)
[02:40] <csffsc> f11 brings me to boot order, UEFI is prefixed infront of the thumbdrive, thats it
[02:40] <wilee-nilee> csffsc, The fastboot stuff is the actual uefi, ubuntu has options to install on it
[02:40] <ntzrmtthihu777> csffsc: make a backup using windows tools, install ubuntu, restore windows?
[02:41] <wilee-nilee> !uefi | csffsc take a look here
[02:41] <csffsc> Wilee-nillee, sorry about that.  I found this thread:  last post first page. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1619381
[02:41] <csffsc> how the f do nicks work
[02:41] <wilee-nilee> csffsc, You can tab complete nicks
[02:41] <csffsc> wilee-nilee: gotcha
[02:42] <wilee-nilee> thats it you got it. ;)
[02:43] <al_la> jrib: installed, I think this will make life much simpler and I'll just manually remove periodically.  Thanks for the info.
[02:44] <ntzrmtthihu777> tab completion is the greatest thing since sliced bread XD
[02:44] <wilee-nilee> csffsc, I'm not real up on uefi so I generally try to just get people relevant info. Since you have reinstalled W7 you want to make sure anyone helping understands all this and is not helping just to suit there own needs first. here is another thread on uefi. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2147295
[02:46] <csffsc> wilee-nilee: the windows install is fresh / doesnt have anything important on it.  Last night I actually started out by formatting the SSD, and then trying to install Ubuntu via the live usb.  I couldn't get past the UEFI issues
[02:46] <csffsc> wilee-nilee: I did a total of (3) fresh installs, one of them completed fully, and let me boot into linux once, the rest had errors during the installation process
[02:47] <csffsc> wilee-nilee: tried both 12.10 & 13.04
[02:47] <wilee-nilee> csffsc, That thread author is the best help I have seen, I used to be on the forum and learned a great deal from them on dualbooting and grub in general. They will help you out if needed if you start a thread there. I think your windows install is good, you just need the right help in getting the ubuntu on there, If it were me I would use their help.
[02:47] <csffsc> wilee-nilee: okay, I'll read thi.
[02:47] <csffsc> 8s
[02:48] <Q_Continuum> 12.04 - I switched to a different terminal (TTY1) and then back to X and X isn't accepting any input (keys or mouse) except to leave the TTY again.
[02:48] <LinuxGold> if I changed something in sshd_config, do I need to restart sshd?
[02:48] <wilee-nilee> csffsc, There are people here as well, but not on all the time, many if us have avoided this area if we can.
[02:48] <Q_Continuum> LinuxGold: Config files are generally read on startup, so yes you would need to restart the service for changes to take effect.
[02:48] <LinuxGold> thanks
[02:49] <csffsc> wilee-nilee: why do you avoid this area?
[02:49] <jrib> LinuxGold: you can just run "reload" I think.
[02:50] <jrib> LinuxGold: « sudo reload ssh »
[02:50] <Q_Continuum> 12.04 - how can I reset my X session when it hangs?
[02:50] <Q_Continuum> (Switched to TTY1 and TTY7 no longer takes input at all except to leave TTY7)
[02:51] <wilee-nilee> csffsc, I have not had a uefi computer yet for one, and the manufacturers have their own versions/tweaks of it, so there are not any real empirical fixes, it is a bit of a hit and miss for some. There are some methods people work through, just not as cut and dry as a msdos set up ia all.
[02:52] <csffsc> wilee-nilee: I so far prefer the ease of vmware installs..
[02:52] <mrrcp> Howdy
[02:53] <sordidbass> hola
[02:53] <wilee-nilee> csffsc, Mainly I do not want to brick someone else’s setup, so inspite of my nick I'm very careful.
[02:53] <mrrcp> brick
[02:53] <wilee-nilee> thick as a brick ;)
[02:54] <csffsc> wilee-nilee: I'm fairly certian it'll get bricked again going thru the uefi roulette.. luckily I'm doing all of this to a spare system
[02:55] <al_la> Hi all, quick question:  I'm about to upgrade hard drives but want to keep my installation.  My plan: plug in old and new, boot to live disk, copy partitions over w/ gparted, install grub on new drive, restart with only new.   Any major flaws in this plan?
[02:55] <electricprism> how do i disable the "screenshot" screen prior to launching an app?
[02:56] <D-Chymera1> hi guys, I have an external hdd over here which I plugged into a printing machine that prints directly over USB. I suspect that just messed the start of my volume a bit. I remember I ran some command which printed some output that very much looked like my files from that volume - any idea how I could search for partitions?
[02:56] <wilee-nilee> al_la, That will work, the partitions just have to be equal in size or bigger is all.
[02:57] <wilee-nilee> al_la, Copy and paste to save the original.
[02:57] <sordidbass> al_la: you could do that, a tool like acronis may be a bit easier to use though
[02:57] <wilee-nilee> acronis is nice for windows, does it have alinux version?
[02:58] <sordidbass> the acronis boot cd will clone drives at the block level, a much better option than simply copying stuff at the filesystem level
[02:58] <electricprism> has anyone here got league of legends working?
[02:59] <bjrohan> wilee-nilee: does linux really need a version of Acronis?
[03:00] <wilee-nilee> bjrohan, Did I say it does, the user mentions no windows install to speak of just wants to know if gparted will work.
[03:00] <wilee-nilee> I would use clonezilla
[03:01] <L-Chymera1> hi guys, no advice on recovering my ntfs partition?
[03:01] <mrrcp> L-Chymera1: what happened
[03:02] <wilee-nilee> sordidbass, Cool I was not sure is all, I use another generally.
[03:02] <bjrohan> wilee-nilee: I just figured with as versatile as Linux is from the get go, I wouldn't think Acronis would spend time making anything for Linux. If Linux were more "mainstream" perhaps, so they could make easy money
[03:02] <electricprism> L-Chymera1: If the data is valuable I recommend immediately making a dd image on an extra hdd
[03:02] <bjrohan> :-)
[03:02] <L-Chymera1> electricprism: already did that ;)
[03:03] <L-Chymera1> mrrcp: I think a printer I connected directly to it messed up the start of my olume
[03:03] <L-Chymera1> *volume
[03:03] <sordidbass> don't any of you realize that the acronis boot cd is linux based?
[03:03] <wilee-nilee> L-Chymera1, People commonly use testdisk for recovery
[03:04] <electricprism> L-Chymera1: Well, you could always use DIY GetNTFSDataBack through wine to get a folder / file listing it'll take about 6 - 24 hours to complete the NTFS table scan
[03:04] <sordidbass> i've used testdisk several times to great effect.
[03:04] <wilee-nilee> sordidbass, Sorry man with millions of applications we don;t know everyones and it specificities. ;)
[03:04] <L-Chymera1> electricprism: it has 1 TB :)
[03:04] <sordidbass> wilee-nilee ;-)
[03:05] <electricprism> L-Chymera1: I've recovered a 2TB drive when windows destroyed my MBR table using that tool effectively, also because of the EXT filesystem you dont have the issues of folders longer than 256 characters when recovering so recovering on linux is better
[03:06] <L-Chymera1> electricprism: I don't have wine, and had very bad experiences with it in the past :)
[03:06] <electricprism> You could also rebuild the MBR if that's the issue using DiskPatch3, both programs aren't free
[03:06] <sordidbass> i've used it several times to recover data. I had one drive though where the MFT got totally b0rked and testdisk wasn't able to help. Had to use GetDataBack on windows :(
[03:06] <|Anthony|> i need use echo cancellation since the builtin feature in mumble does absolutely nothing. I did pactl load-module module-echo-cancel but i don't think it's providing the correct sink and source
[03:06] <darkangel> Hey does Linux users use a Linux only Internet server and windows use a windows only internet server
[03:06] <|Anthony|> how do i specify which device i want to load the module for?
[03:06] <electricprism> L-Chymera1: You can also use PlayOnLinux since it's basically the same thing but easier if that helps
[03:06] <Konata> Is there any way to disable that obnoxious sidebar thingy
[03:07] <Konata> I want to use ubuntu the way I'm used to using it
[03:07] <electricprism> L-Chymera1: Since it's a NTFS drive, the recovery tools will likely be windows centric instead of linux imo
[03:08] <electricprism> darkangel: ?
[03:09] <darkangel> does Linux servers use there own Internet server and window users not use it?
[03:09] <electricprism> DNS?
[03:09] <electricprism> Proxy?
[03:09] <darkangel> users not servers
[03:10] <electricprism> Do you mean: does linux use a different network protocol across the network?
[03:10] <|Anthony|> darkangel, it would probably be better to state the issue that is making you ask that question
[03:10] <darkangel> lol its just curiousness
[03:10] <darkangel> is it bad to Install Old Kernels?
[03:11] <Mr_Mull> so can anyone solve this; 	<?php foreach ($this->newsfeed->items as $item) :  ?>
[03:12] <Mr_Mull> its not working because of the foreach()
[03:15] <somsip> Mr_Mull: you need to post the full code somewhere like ##php or stackoverflow
[03:17] <Mr_Mull> somsip; how bout pastebin?
[03:18] <somsip> Mr_Mull: that is a good way of preparing something to post in ##php
[03:19] <Mr_Mull> awe i gotta reg to join ##php
[03:19] <Mr_Mull> okay, one sec
[03:19] <csffsc> Is there a way to confirm 'Startup Disk Creator' properly copied all data to a bootable thumbdrive?  I confirmed the md5 checksum upon download.. However I'm booted into this live cd (13.04), and I cannot get terminal to open
[03:19] <csffsc> click the icon, waiting icon spins for a while, then it goes away
[03:20] <Mr_Mull> o
[03:20] <Mr_Mull> that was fail
[03:20] <Mr_Mull> hm
[03:20] <Mr_Mull> hey csffsc i get thaqt same damn problem
[03:20] <Mr_Mull> making a startup USB, doesn't matter what Creator i use, the USB aint working
[03:20] <csffsc> Mr_Mull: really confidence inspiring huh
[03:21] <csffsc> .. does it boot into the live ubuntu copy?
[03:21] <Mr_Mull> nope
[03:21] <Mr_Mull> most i get is the "Peter anvil" etc etc
[03:21] <Mr_Mull> I'll try using a dvd when i get home from work
[03:22] <wilee-nilee> Mr_Mull, have you summed the ISO?
[03:22] <csffsc> Mr_Mull: agreed.. I would try that
[03:23] <Mr_Mull> wilee-nilee; yup
[03:23] <wilee-nilee> Mr_Mull, Might be graphics driver issues, really more details would help
[03:23] <Mr_Mull> downloaded it about 30 times this past week too
[03:23] <wilee-nilee> Mr_Mull, You familiar with nomodeset?
[03:23] <Mr_Mull> wilee-nilee; i'd tell you more details
[03:23] <Mr_Mull> like windows runs perfectly
[03:24] <Mr_Mull> not particularly
[03:24] <wilee-nilee> !nomodeset | Mr_Mull
[03:24] <Mr_Mull> even tried my old 11.04 edition
[03:24] <Mr_Mull> didn't work ._.
[03:24] <Mr_Mull> er
[03:24] <Mr_Mull> i get the screen
[03:24] <Mr_Mull> says the creator etc
[03:24] <Mr_Mull> but stays there
[03:25] <wilee-nilee> thats just unetbootin
[03:25] <Mr_Mull> yup
[03:25] <wilee-nilee> many ither loaders
[03:25] <wilee-nilee> 'other
[03:25] <sordidbass> I had to use nomodeset on ubuntu 12.04 (12.04.3 has since fixed that issue) on my radeon 6790
[03:25] <Mr_Mull> tried syslinux
[03:25] <Q_Continuum> Question with AMD's CCC on 12.04: Is there a way to have the included screen brightness buttons talk to the CCC for FGLRX?
[03:25] <Mr_Mull> er i got a pretty basic graphics card
[03:25] <Mr_Mull> never had a problem before with it on Linux
[03:26] <wilee-nilee> Mr_Mull, My guess would be graphic drivers what is the graphic card
[03:26] <Mr_Mull> only the sound card lol
[03:26]  * Mr_Mull facepalms
[03:26] <Mr_Mull> wilee-nilee; my laptop is a Toshiba Satellite C650D
[03:26] <Mr_Mull> 1TB Internal HDD, 2GB Ram, etc etc
[03:27] <Mr_Mull> upgraded HDD, everything else is stock
[03:27] <virgenmadre> What is the best software that you guys think might work for remoting into another computer. This is Ubuntu to Ubuntu machines
[03:27] <Mr_Mull> SSH
[03:27] <Ben64> !enter | Mr_Mull
[03:27] <Mr_Mull> lol
[03:28] <Mr_Mull> Okay Ben64 ; can you halp with php errors?
[03:28] <csffsc> I've always enjoyed using MOSH for command line stuff
[03:28] <dr_willis> ssh -  - the defacto tool for remote access. )
[03:28] <csffsc> keeps the connection persistant as you change ip's, or even computers
[03:29] <Mr_Mull> I like terminal for command line stuff
[03:29] <Ben64> Mr_Mull: perhaps, but i'm a bit busy now, just seeing the whole page filled with your responses. #php might be a good place for help
[03:29] <Mr_Mull> call me basic, but yeah
[03:29] <csffsc> plus it doesnt wait to hear back from the server after every character (which SSH does)..
[03:29] <Mr_Mull> Ben64; i cant join 'em
[03:29] <Ben64> you may need to be registered
[03:29] <researcher> how to run an application when it tends to Display text instead of executing?
[03:29] <somsip> Mr_Mull: I suggested stackoverflow too
[03:29] <|Anthony|> has anyone been able to get echo cancellation to work for mumble?
[03:29] <|Anthony|> i need use echo cancellation since the builtin feature in mumble does absolutely nothing. I did pactl load-module module-echo-cancel but i don't think it's providing the correct sink and source
[03:29] <|Anthony|> how do i specify which device i want to load the module for?
[03:29] <dr_willis> !register | Mr_Mull
[03:30] <dr_willis> Mr_Mull:  many channels require your nick to be regiestered/identified
[03:30] <wilee-nilee> Mr_Mull, I think that computer has nvidia graphics, the boot can be a problem at times for these depending on which ines.
[03:30] <wilee-nilee> ones*
[03:30] <Mr_Mull> .. i know how to register a nick.. and set up services and IRCds and crapp
[03:30] <Mr_Mull> er dude, my pc has nothing associated with nvidia
[03:30] <Mr_Mull> AMD
[03:31] <researcher> !xconfig
[03:32] <sordidbass> -phigh ?
[03:33] <Mr_Mulll> somsip; ah true, i'll try them
[03:33] <sordidbass> what does the -phigh flag do
[03:35] <jgk> hello
[03:36] <jgk> !help
[03:36] <jgk> What ias a good irc client
[03:36] <Mr_Mulll> http://pastebin.com/H7pFSMiV there's my php problem
[03:37] <dr_willis> depends on your needs
[03:37] <Mr_Mulll> jgk; IRSSI
[03:37] <dr_willis> jgk:  i perfer weechat
[03:37] <Mr_Mulll> i love it
[03:37] <dr_willis> weechat has a bigger feature set then irssi these days. but it all depends on your exact needs
[03:37] <Q_Continuum> AMD E-300 APU: Open Source driver performance vs proprietary driver performance, thoughts?
[03:37] <dr_willis> and how much effort you want to put into learning  the client
[03:38] <lhx> what's the best way to get the fasted apt source? apt is donwloaded at 70Kb and I have a 2000Kb line...
[03:38] <jgk> ok
[03:38] <jgk> hows xchat
[03:38] <dr_willis> jgk:  try it and decide for yourself
[03:38] <jgk> ok
[03:38] <dr_willis> xchat is very popular
[03:38] <Mr_Mulll> xchat is nice
[03:38] <dr_willis> and you can get it for windows.
[03:38] <Q_Continuum> jgk: I use ssh + screen + irssi for access from anywhere; if I switched to a GUI at this point it'd probably be Quassel. (Has a client/server option); xchat and weechat are also popular.
[03:38] <lhx> xchat.... tsk tsk... learn how to irssi or weechat
[03:39] <jgk> ok
[03:39] <dr_willis> weechat has an android client to connect to your existing weechat session. ;) or you can use znc
[03:39] <wilee-nilee> lhx, YOu might try apt-fast
[03:39] <dr_willis> depends on how complex you want to get
[03:39] <jgk> An users from India/
[03:39] <jgk> ?
[03:39] <jgk> and Is linux android?
[03:39] <jgk> or is Android based off Linux?
[03:39] <lhx> wilee-nilee: ty
[03:39] <jgk> thats what I'm confused on
[03:39] <jgk>  Ieman
[03:39] <FloodBot1> jgk: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:39] <somsip> !ot | jgk
[03:39] <jgk> iOS and Android are UNIX based
[03:39] <dr_willis> android runs on the linux kernel.
[03:40] <wilee-nilee> lhx, No problem, there is a apt-fast ppa.
[03:41] <dr_willis> android is not UNIX based. its using Linux. - and linux is not the same as UNIX (they  are very similer however)
[03:41] <jgk> ohhh
[03:41] <jgk> I see
[03:41] <jgk> but I mean would it work better with a linxu distro?
[03:41] <jgk> vs iOS ?
[03:42] <dr_willis> work better? meaning what?
[03:42] <jgk> as in
[03:42] <dr_willis> good luck getting Apples stuff working with anything other then more apple stuff
[03:42] <jgk> it has better support with syncing etc
[03:42] <jgk> ?
[03:42] <dr_willis> I access my android devices via AirDroid most of the time. Or as if they were regular pcs with samba,ssh, scp and so forth
[03:42] <jgk> whats airdroid?
[03:42] <jgk> Airdroid
[03:43] <dr_willis> they are pcs ;)
[03:43] <dr_willis> an app for android.
[03:43] <jgk> i duncan contrusction there>
[03:44] <dr_willis> Android is more open, and easier to wwork with for doing most things i find. expecially things that may be a little unusual.
[03:44] <jgk> ok
[03:45] <sordidbass> I despise android as an end user.
[03:45] <sordidbass> as a developer its kind of nifty.
[03:46] <dr_willis> I have no issues with android whatso ever as an end user. works well for my needs
[03:46] <dr_willis> I dont bother with developing. ;)
[03:46] <sordidbass> i've had 3 android phones and they've all been terrible.
[03:47] <sordidbass> hate to say it, but the Iphone 4, 4s and 5 I had always just 'worked'
[03:47] <jgk> right
[03:47] <sordidbass> they never hung up, apps always worked... oh! and I could actually make phone calls on them!
[03:47] <dr_willis> as long as you did what they decided to llet you do. but  this is not the channel for this debate
[03:49] <lotuspsychje> !info mixxx > lotuspsychje
[03:50] <dr_willis> heh - you could also   /msg ubottu  mixxx
[03:50] <lotuspsychje> dr_willis: i know mate, but its the first time ive msg bot tonight :p
[03:51] <airtonix> sordidbass: stop buying 2$ phones.
[03:52] <lotuspsychje> dr_willis: was looking for a good alternative for bpm studio in win, so came up on mixxx
[03:53] <dr_willis> !info mixxx
[03:53] <airtonix> lotuspsychje: mixx os pretty cool, I bought a vestax vci-400 to play with it
[03:53] <airtonix> is*
[03:53] <lotuspsychje> dr_willis: http://www.mixxx.org/ pretty neat
[03:54] <lotuspsychje> airtonix: tnx for feedback mate!
[03:54] <dr_willis> i doubt if i need that for my   Kenny G. collection.
[03:54] <dr_willis> ;P
[03:54] <airtonix> :< kenny g
[03:54] <lotuspsychje> airtonix: can you get samples on mixxx?
[03:54] <dr_willis> and my broadway showtunes collection. :)  also got a lot of anime OST. ;P
[03:56] <airtonix> lotuspsychje: what do you mean by samples? load small sounds into a push button?
[03:56] <lotuspsychje> airtonix: yes
[03:56] <wilee-nilee> dr_willis, A local drummer her Bruce Carter was his drummer, he is deceased now but was one of the best.
[03:56] <airtonix> lotuspsychje: then yes.
[03:56] <wilee-nilee> here*
[03:56] <lotuspsychje> airtonix: nice one tnx
[03:57] <airtonix> lotuspsychje: while mixxx looks alot nicer than all the reast out there, it is missing 4 deck support
[03:57] <airtonix> last time i checked anyway
[03:58] <airtonix> you might also want to look into using a novation launchpad with resound
[03:58] <lotuspsychje> airtonix: you mean midi for your vestax?
[03:58] <Q_Continuum> 12.04, I switch to TTY1 then back to TTY7 and my screen freaks out.
[03:58] <airtonix> lotuspsychje: yes, last time i checked mixxx only supports two decks, while my vestax has four decks
[03:59] <Q_Continuum> Hrm, didn't do it that time.
[03:59] <lotuspsychje> airtonix: web says it supports over 30 hardware midi
[03:59] <lotuspsychje> airtonix: http://www.mixxx.org/features/
[03:59] <dr_willis> Q_Continuum:  seen some times the framebuffer console can confuse and fight with the x server. depending on the drivers
[04:00] <hylian> Q_Continuum: I have been getting a blinking cursor on my system even after the gui is loaded. I have to log out to get rid of it. could they be related? (using 12.04 lts)
[04:00] <airtonix> lotuspsychje: yes 30 different devices are supported. but mixx only has two deck channels.
[04:00] <lotuspsychje> airtonix: looks pretty professional
[04:00] <lotuspsychje> airtonix: ah ic..
[04:00] <airtonix> lotuspsychje: yeah it's very nice.
[04:00] <lotuspsychje> airtonix: maybe lmms or hydrogen might work better for you then?
[04:01] <hylian> hello Dr_Willis_. I wanted to say thanks for the help last time.
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> !cookie | Dr_Willis_
[04:01] <Dr_Willis_> I just ate a bag of donuts. ;)
[04:01] <airtonix> lotuspsychje: nah. also on linux mixx will integrate with RhythmBox if you have it installed
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> i gtooa split to work :p
[04:01] <Mr_Mulll> .:[13:58:35]:. <Q_Continuum> 12.04, I switch to TTY1 then back to TTY7 and my screen freaks out. <-- Must be an AMD thing, mine ALWAYS done that when switching between TTY*s
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> laterz guyz
[04:07] <hylian> can we use xmir now? how would I set that up? I want to see if it solves an issue..
[04:07] <Tex_Nick> hmmmmmmmm ... http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi ... seems to be unavailable/offline ???
[04:09] <hylian> i am looking forward to seeing unity under xmir. it sucks on this laptop currently. I like unity, but for me currently it's xfce. unity is lsuggish and locks up.
[04:10] <jgk> hylian: ohhh sing a song
[04:10] <hylian> jgk: ??
[04:10] <jgk> im kidding
[04:10] <jgk> how much ram
[04:11] <hylian> jgk: 2 gig. it's a cq57-229wm. it's a good office/net machine. it plays sims 3 ok, so i would think it would handle unity.. but alas...\
[04:12] <hylian> Dr_Willis_: backing up the sources and sources list info has been very useful. I set up a client's machine in much less time just yesterday thanks to it.
[04:13] <Mr_Mulll> I hate unity with a passion
[04:13] <jgk> oh
[04:13] <sordidbass> Mr_Mulll: still 100000000% better than Win8
[04:14] <hylian> jgk: i don't hate the idea, but i wish it had a true "no prettyness" mode like gnome.
[04:14] <Mr_Mulll> That's true
[04:14] <Mr_Mulll> Who even uses win8?
[04:14] <Mr_Mulll> I tried the MSDN release once upon a time.. worst 5 minutes ever
[04:14] <sordidbass> used it as my desktop OS at my last job.
[04:14] <hylian> oops, i meant Mr_Mulll, not jgk
[04:14] <Mr_Mulll> ORANGE, NO, BLUE, N GREEN
[04:14] <sordidbass> honestly wasn't /terrible/ and 8.1 fixes many of the usability issues.
[04:14] <sordidbass> i'm going to get banned now, praising a MS product on #ubuntu
[04:15] <Tex_Nick> Mr_Mulll: if you don't like it , don't use it ... there are alternatives
[04:15] <Mr_Mulll> rofl
[04:15] <Mr_Mulll> hylian; agreed, i <3 gnome2.2
[04:15] <hylian> if unity had a zero pretty/slowing visuals option, i probably would switch.
[04:15] <sordidbass> unity 2d on Ubuntu LTS?
[04:16] <sordidbass> rule of thumb for me is to use LTS releases ONLY
[04:16] <hylian> Mr_Mulll: then you would probably ove mate. I had it installed and running for a while. I like xfce better, but mate would be an option I would have no problem living with.
[04:16] <Mr_Mulll> Tex_Nick; exactly my point, I don't use it ;3
[04:16] <Mr_Mulll> ove?
[04:17] <Mr_Mulll> I got xubuntu here
[04:17] <hylian> Mr_Mulll: yeah, big fingers + small keyboard = unusually high typos.
[04:17] <Mr_Mulll> many many isos
[04:17] <hylian> Mr_Mulll: Me too.
[04:19] <cobolfoo> Hi everyone, just upgraded to 13.10 beta1, I really like the way nothing work anymore :)
[04:19] <hylian> cobolfoo: yeah, i stay with the lts's... less headaches.
[04:19] <hylian> cobolfoo: what's going on, maybe we can help?
[04:19] <cobolfoo> they got me with promises of adventures.
[04:20] <cobolfoo> I click on nautilus, click on a favorite/bookmark, then BLAM! segfault.
[04:20] <hylian> cobolfoo: well, this could be classified as an adventure, I guess.
[04:21] <qin> cobolfoo: is #ubuntu+1 there yet?
[04:21] <cobolfoo> qin common
[04:21] <hylian> cobolfoo: i wonder if you could install lxde and pcmanfm. i wouldn't be surpised if it's a unity thing. It would atleast give you a direction to go in trying to diagnose
[04:21] <nafg_> Hi, where can I get help with the following problem: /var/log/mail.log is claiming errors resolving domain names, while ping works fine.
[04:22] <cobolfoo> I usually install a older version of nautilus that support F4 anyway.
[04:22] <cobolfoo> but I was expecting a little bit less crashes for a beta1.
[04:22] <hylian> nafg_: sorry, i am not a server man. What program is this?
[04:22] <cobolfoo> anyway, I only wanted to say how I liked the way nautilus crash for no reason , not really searching for a solution.
[04:23] <hylian> cobolfoo: ahh, yes it's fun to watch things fall apart around you, not. :)
[04:24] <cobolfoo> How complete is Unity 8 for Desktop ?
[04:24] <hylian> nafg_: can you post a pastebin? http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[04:24] <qin> nafg_: What domain are you using, since it is rather complaining about mx record than dns resolution.
[04:25] <nafg_> qin: You mean which domain is not resolving? Things like gmail.com
[04:25] <nafg_> I'm trying out the advice on  https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=137954
[04:26] <nafg_> How often does it retry?
[04:26] <qin> nafg_: if you using gmail it is more wrong config.
[04:26] <nafg_> I'll just send a new mail
[04:26] <nafg_> qin: no, it's sending *to* gmail, sorry for confusion
[04:26] <nafg_> I didn't understand your question
[04:26] <nafg_> then
[04:26] <hylian> i have to go, bye all
[04:26] <nafg_> bye
[04:26] <qin> nafg_: sends as *who*?
[04:28] <nafg_> qin: You mean the "from"? I believe<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:28] <nafg_> here's an example error line
[04:28] <nafg_> https://gist.github.com/nafg/10bce29ad1fd55ec4ac9
[04:29] <nafg_> it's complaining about the recipient I think
[04:29] <qin> nafg_: send mail to yourself?
[04:29] <nafg_> qin: what do you mean?
[04:30] <nafg_> It's going from a server (JVM webapp)
[04:30] <sennin> español
[04:30] <nafg_> qin: do you mean I should try to?
[04:30] <qin> !es
[04:33] <nafg_> Hey, all of a sudden it's working! Maybe https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=137954 but it took time to go into effect?
[04:36] <nafg_> Okay, so then I have  a different question
[04:37] <nafg_> qin: Can you help me with this? This one is more ubuntu specific. The other day apt-get couldn't resolve archive.ubuntu.com so I put google dns into /etc/resolve.conf.
[04:37] <qin> nafg_: acctually it is interesting, how it started working?
[04:37] <hplc> anyone that can help me out why this script dont work? it should create files and dirs as it goes, but it wont do that http://pastebin.com/BgtVhF7b
[04:37] <nafg_> However the file says not to edit it by hand since it will be overwritten
[04:38] <nafg_> qin: I'm guessing due to the link I posted: I edited /var/spool/postfix/etc/resolve.conf, i.e. the one in the postfix chroot.
[04:38] <nafg_> I ignored that warning since it was a temporary need, so I don't care if it gets overwritten
[04:39] <nafg_> However I'm wondering if somehow editing /etc/resolve.conf confused postfix's chroot env? Doesn't make any sense to me but what do I know
[04:39] <nafg_> In any case, the important question perhaps is, what is the correct way to edit the dns server (e.g. set to google or opendns)?
[04:40] <nafg_> Since a lot of sites say to edit /etc/resolv.conf, I'm guessing the warning not to edit it is ubuntu-specific
[04:40] <Ben64> !resolvconf | nafg_
[04:42] <nafg_> Thanks Ben64
[04:47] <teaf> meu cinelerra está com áudio ruim
[04:47] <teaf> e dá um erro quicktime
[04:47] <teaf> oque é isso?
[04:48] <qin> hplc: python would be better for it, yet #bash channel may say otherwise
[04:48] <tolga> when will bluetooth work out of the box. BT is still SUPER unreliable in 13.04
[04:49] <tolga> BT in xp works out of the box and has no issues connecting to smart phone, but is still darn unrealiable in any flavour of linux
[04:52] <Dr_Willis_> ive had to fight with bt on windows quite often also. :) but still. bt seems to be one of those techs. that should be so muh better then how it is now.
[04:53] <Dr_Willis> they really should have bt been standard on all mb's ages ago. ;(  but all i use it for these days is  my android keyboards and game controllers
[04:53] <tolga> Dr_Willis_: ive never had issues with BT in any flavour of windows
[04:54] <tolga> Dr_Willis_ BT in linux is horrendous
[04:54] <qin> ...flavour of windows... hehe
[04:54] <Dr_Willis> Ive definatlyhad to fight with it in windows. mainly due to either the windows bt stack fighting with the bt dongles companies software - or visa versa.
[04:55] <tolga> i always have to install Blueman app and ANYTHING BT related in synap's in order for it to send or receive
[04:55] <Dr_Willis> i really havent btheed with bt other then for keyboards  in ages.
[04:55] <tolga> im more interested in BT in connecting smartphones to laptop
[04:56] <qin> tolga: wifi direct?
[04:56] <Dr_Willis> i definatly NEVER bother to do BT connections to phones.. unless its a last resort
[04:56] <tolga> qin : what u mean
[04:56] <qin> btw, does it work in linux already?
[04:56] <LinuxGold> what is the app that generates the grub.cfg properly in ubuntu?
[04:56] <qin> tolga: wifi direct is no access point, p2p protocol
[04:56] <Dr_Willis> LinuxGold:  sudo update-grub
[04:56] <LinuxGold> update-grub didn't update the grub.cfg after I removed the kernel via apt-get purge
[04:57] <Dr_Willis> !grub2
[04:57] <tolga> its a horrendous effort to get BT to transfer or recieve files via BT on ubuntu/deb OS
[04:57] <Dr_Willis> LinuxGold:  try it again. I would guess the kernel dident get all the wayuninstalled or somthing.
[04:57] <LinuxGold> did that thrice :)
[04:57] <Dr_Willis> because update-grub is definatly the way to  update the grub cfg. and it should only list the kernels it finds.
[04:57] <qin> tolga: for sharing files you may want to just use drive or ubuntu one
[04:58] <tolga> is there any way to get devs to realise that BT dosnt really work out of the box, i think its a forgotten component on any ubuntu release
[04:58] <Dr_Willis> file transfers over bt - nasty. ;) for my android phones i definatly use airdroid or some sort of ssh/sftp client
[04:59] <tolga> they seem to concentrate on rather pointless updates on ubuntu other then fixing ancient bugs thats been residing for the last 5 years
[04:59] <qin> tolga: BT tents to be more hardvare communication platform than protocol for users
[04:59] <LinuxGold> http://pastebin.com/463R4iPq
[04:59] <qin> tends
[04:59] <LinuxGold> dr_willis: here is the paste of what I was trying to do
[04:59] <tucemiux> anyone knows how to configure grub2?  I have two hard drives, one with windows7 and another with ubuntu
[05:00] <tolga> qin BT finally works after you install blueman app and all bt related services and plugins in synap
[05:00] <Dr_Willis> tucemiux:  sudo update-grub SHOULD see both drives and add a windows entry. thats how my desktop system is setup
[05:00] <tucemiux> Dr_Willis,  thanks for the tip, let me reboot to see if that did the trick!
[05:01] <jgk> Hello
[05:02] <jgk> Hi Snake2k
[05:02] <jgk> How's coding noobs
[05:02] <Snake2k> Hey jgk, its good :)
[05:03] <Dr_Willis> LinuxGold:  i have to wonder where your /boot/grub/menu.lst came from ;) i dont even have that file
[05:03] <LinuxGold> isntalling grub2
[05:04] <Dr_Willis> Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done
[05:04] <Dr_Willis> i dont have that file.. makes me wonder whats going on with it.
[05:04] <LinuxGold> you tell me :)
[05:04] <tucemiux> Dr_Willis, that one did it, thanks !!!
[05:04] <LinuxGold> Ubuntu 13.04 Server
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> willis@1001PXD:/boot/grub$ sudo update-grub | pastebinit
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> Generating grub.cfg ...
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> at No point does mine mention menu.lst
[05:05] <LinuxGold> rebooting
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> its almost as if you have LILO on the system
[05:05] <LinuxGold> lol!
[05:06] <GeorgeJ> Hello folks. I'm trying to install wine1.6, however, the ubuntu repositories only contain wine1.4, and the ubuntu-wine ppa's wine1.6 is actually wine1.7. Any ideeas?
[05:06] <Dr_Willis> if it in in fact using lilo.
[05:06] <LinuxGold> I remembered lilo back in old days
[05:07] <LinuxGold> installed grub2 and it did the trick
[05:07] <Dr_Willis> err.. so you were using LILO?
[05:07] <LinuxGold> no
[05:07] <LinuxGold> grub
[05:07] <LinuxGold> I used update-grub, noticed it updated menu.lst
[05:08] <LinuxGold> saw you saying !grub2 -- so I decided to go for grub2
[05:08] <LinuxGold> apt-get install grub2 -- got it fixed
[05:08] <qin> 0.98, was it ditched around 10.10, right?
[05:08] <Dr_Willis> You were using Grub1 ? how manu times has thios system been updated/upgraded?
[05:08] <LinuxGold> initially installed 12.04 and upgraded to 13.04
[05:08] <Dr_Willis> i recall some old release would not switch to grub2 - if you did a release upgrade
[05:09] <LinuxGold> did a release upgrade
[05:09] <Dr_Willis> but 12.04 should have been using grub2 by default
[05:09] <Dr_Willis> !grub2
[05:09] <LinuxGold> of course
[05:09] <LinuxGold> at least, it is fixed now
[05:09] <Dr_Willis> so shomthing stll seems weird
[05:09] <LinuxGold> yeah, tell me about it.
[05:09] <Dr_Willis> at leat you are not trying to use LILO like i saw some guy trying to do last week
[05:10] <calwig> how can I make an ISO from several files? and make it bootable
[05:10] <LinuxGold> lol
[05:10] <qin> calwig: to boot into what?
[05:10] <Dr_Willis> calwig:  you are tryint to remaster a ubuntu disrto?
[05:10] <LinuxGold> when you said lilo, it reminds me of Robert LEvin
[05:12] <ericab> how do i tell apt-get updo an "apt-get upgrade" but not one of the packages it wants to update ?
[05:12] <qin> !pinning
[05:13] <calwig> qin, yea sort of and I have all files in a folder, I just need it to be set with a boot flag
[05:13] <Dr_Willis> calwig:  so what exactly do you have in that folder?
[05:13] <calwig> Dr_Willis, kindof
[05:13] <ericab> thx quin
[05:13] <qin> !remastersys
[05:13] <qin> ups
[05:14] <calwig> Dr_Willis, i got a couple of different things Im trying
[05:14] <Dr_Willis> !remaster
[05:14] <calwig> like DOS, Win95, and some debian files
[05:14] <Dr_Willis> calwig:  good luck with that. You may need to read up on the sysiso  docs
[05:14] <jgk> Him
[05:15] <Dr_Willis> there are tools that let grub2 boot ISO files. ;)
[05:15] <Dr_Willis> which may be easier to do
[05:15] <calwig> ok
[05:15] <calwig> Dr_Willis, will have a look
[05:15] <Dr_Willis> the multisystem USB maker tool at pendrivelinux lets you make a Usb flash that can boot differnt iso files as well.
[05:17] <rscnt> howdy!
[05:17] <rscnt> who needs helpsz!?
[05:17] <Dr_Willis> normally you come in and wait for someone to ask a question....
[05:18] <calwig> Dr_Willis, unetbootin.. ah right
[05:18] <rscnt> b**ch i want the question right now!
[05:18] <calwig> thx
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> calwig:  i never use unetbootin. ;)  i perfer 'multisystem' or the other tools at the pendrivelinux site
[05:18] <calwig> ah
[05:18] <rscnt> calwig: go with unetbootin
[05:18] <rscnt> isn't that thing deprected
[05:18] <jgk> rscnt: Calm down
[05:21] <JadedNZ> Hi
[05:21] <rscnt> Hi
[05:21] <JadedNZ> I have a toshiba 500GB SATA drive that I want to install ubuntu onto, how can I scan the drive for bad sectors before installing ubuntu?
[05:22] <qin> JadedNZ: check SMART data, disk utility from live cd/usb
[05:23]  * cfhowlett ... thinks "Oh, yes!  The rude, profane guy is EXACTLY who I want help from!"
[05:23] <GeorgeJ> Hello folks. I'm trying to install wine1.6, however, the ubuntu repositories only contain wine1.4, and the ubuntu-wine ppa's wine1.6 is actually wine1.7. Any ideeas?
[05:24] <jpds> GeorgeJ: On which version of Ubuntu?
[05:24] <JadedNZ> The drive currently has Windows 7 + all the HP/Compaq bloatware on it. has "Weak Sectors" on ita
[05:24] <GeorgeJ> 13.04
[05:24] <rscnt> George2: compile it, or use archlinux (manjaro)
[05:25] <JadedNZ> Sorry: I meant to say Hard Drive sentinel reports that drive as having weak sectors
[05:25] <cfhowlett> !info wine
[05:25] <GeorgeJ> rscnt: Sure, I could compile it, but archlinux? Really?  Are you that dumb?
[05:25] <JadedNZ> I'm guessing Weak Sectors just mean "Pending sectors"
[05:26] <rscnt> GeorgeJ: oh, i didn't know you think that about arch, so gentoo then?
[05:26] <wilee-nilee> GeorgeJ, http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package/wine/precise/main/base/wine1.6
[05:27] <GeorgeJ> wilee-nilee: I tried that. It's still wine 1.7 :(
[05:27] <qin> JadedNZ: Well, it means precisely this... back up?
[05:27] <wilee-nilee> ah, those lying ........
[05:28] <ChogyDan> GeorgeJ: you'll probably get a better answer in #winehq
[05:28] <GeorgeJ> rscnt: Wat. Do you not realise how dumb it is to suggest using another distro just so that I could use a different version of an utility? Especially when asking in a support channel for another distro.
[05:28] <JadedNZ> IT's a friends laptop, I got them to backup all their documents before I even had a look at it
[05:28] <rscnt> GeorgeJ: it's for good
[05:28] <cfhowlett> GeorgeJ, relax and don't feed the trolls.
[05:28] <rscnt> GeorgeJ: please be respectful.
[05:28] <GeorgeJ> cfhowlett: I am.
[05:28] <GeorgeJ> rscnt: Fuck off
[05:29] <qin> GeorgeJ: you can ignore silly rants, he is beyong of reach of arm ;)
[05:29] <dak0> Hello, does Lubuntu have preinstalled Office package like Ubuntu ?
[05:29] <qin> !language
[05:29] <cfhowlett> dak0, yes but you can always just add libreoffice if you wish
[05:29] <rscnt> GeorgeJ: please watch out your language
[05:29] <GeorgeJ> ChogyDan: They're probably going to recommend recompilation, which is allright, I was looking for an alternative though and couldn't find anything decent on the interwebs, thas why I asked here. Thanks anyway though.
[05:30] <GeorgeJ> rscnt: Why?
[05:30] <IdleOne> GeorgeJ: because it is part of the channel guidelines
[05:31] <dak0> cfhowlett: friend of mine wants to install Linux on his laptop, the question is he really need office for university how Libreoffice works compared to Microsoft office?
[05:31] <ChogyDan> GeorgeJ: I bet the ppa maintainer just messed up the versions
[05:31] <rscnt> dak0: you're going to have some problems
[05:31] <ChogyDan> rscnt: stop
[05:32] <rscnt> dak0: i mean i could come here and say, "It's going to work seamslessly and everything"... but the reality is that you're going to have some little problems
[05:32] <dak0> cfhowlett, rscnt: also he has 2.0Ghz dual-core 2Gb of ram so I though Lubuntu is best distro for his specs
[05:33] <cfhowlett> dak0, hard question to answer but ... LibreOffice ain't MS office.  They both have wordprocessing, etc.  Different keystrokes and such.  that said, there is another option.  Kingsoft-Office is a "clone" of MS office.  Haven't used it myself ...
[05:33] <rscnt> dak0: i've been using LibreOffice/Ooo since im in highschool and
[05:33] <cfhowlett> dak0, good thinking.  xubuntu/lubuntu are both optimized for low spec / older machines.
[05:33] <rscnt> dak0: there's some bad experiences that i can share, but at the end, i didn't regret
[05:33] <qin> dak0: they are not fully compatibile, espacialy VBA and macros
[05:34] <GeorgeJ> ChogyDan: Hopefully, but doubtfull, seeing that there are other version discrepancies aswell, wine1.3 for example is 1.4.
[05:34] <rscnt> dak0: exactly, once we had to rebuild at etering system that use some crappy excel sheets, and i got a lot of problems with calc
[05:34] <rscnt> dak0: but just for see the data, they're going to be ok
[05:35] <rscnt> dak0: also now there's the MSOffice in the cloud, the 356 or something like that
[05:35] <Ben64> GeorgeJ: its because it got updated
[05:36] <GeorgeJ> Ben64: Sure, but why have a specific package named 1.6 that's actually 1.7?
[05:36] <Ben64> GeorgeJ: you'd have to ask them
[05:36] <rscnt> GeorgeJ: go and post that in other place.
[05:36] <cfhowlett> GeorgeJ, grub2 is still grub 1.99 ... stuff happens
[05:36] <rscnt> GeorgeJ: this is not the place to cry about it.
[05:37] <dak0> rscnt, quin, cfhowlett: What do you suggest guys, I mean office is vital for him? Also he don't know much about comps, he is just casual user web mail, browser and office.
[05:37] <IdleOne> rscnt: Please limit your comments to supporting users and let those who know and understand the channel rules enforce them.
[05:37] <cfhowlett> dak0, so have him use the office online version and be done.  or even google docs?
[05:37] <Ben64> dak0: libreoffice works great, but there are some issues. i've had a very complex excel document not work properly in it
[05:37] <rscnt> dak0: do it, he will be fine.
[05:38] <rscnt> dak0: also there's virtualbox, qemu... web apps (gdocs, msoffice)
[05:38] <andornaut> So, Ubuntu 13.04 doesnt appear to package xlockmore any longer. Are there any alternatives in the repos?
[05:38] <dak0> cfhowlett, ben64, rscnt: Thanks for your time guys, have a nice day.
[05:38] <rscnt> dak0: why not dual boot to start?
[05:39] <JadedNZ> I ended up using the Compaq Insydeh20 Setup Utility to do a comprehensive test on my drive
[05:39] <qin> dak0: Get usb drive and test on live system, you need 8 gb to fit all updates and installs
[05:39] <IdleOne> andornaut: is xautolock what you are looking for?
[05:40] <JadedNZ> Through the BIOS
[05:40] <dak0> He wants to get rid of windows so dual-boot is not an option :D, qin: I'll keep that in mind thank you too
[05:40] <Ben64> JadedNZ: what are you trying to do?
[05:41] <JadedNZ> Ben64: Trying to see what kind of state my friends drive is in
[05:41] <rscnt> i didn't know that docker can't be used on syria
[05:42] <Ben64> JadedNZ: ok.. but we can't really help you with a compaq utility
[05:42] <rscnt> or in north korea
[05:42] <JadedNZ> OK.
[05:43] <JadedNZ> What about a webpage that explains how bad sectors works.
[05:43] <JadedNZ> IS it the drive's firmware that marks sectors as bad, or is it the file system?
[05:45] <ChogyDan> JadedNZ: I _think_ both happens.  The drive does it some, automatically, and you can check that with smartmontools.  The file system starts handling it when the drive has too many bad sectors to handle on its own
[05:45] <GeorgeJ> JadedNZ: I believe both can, mostly filesystems afaik though.
[05:45] <Ben64> JadedNZ: if you're having bad sectors, that usually means its time to get a new drive
[05:46] <JadedNZ> Ben64: Yeah, my friend is just being stubborn, I told them to get a new drive.
[05:46] <radiovstv> Hey folks! Trying to solve an issue. When I boot my Ubuntu 12.04 partition, I get an error "SP5100 TCO timer: mmio address 0xb8fe00 already in use", and freezes. I can, through GRUB use an older linux kernal to get to the desktop. After some research, updating my drivers to my video card to a stable version may be a fix. However, I cannot update/replace the drivers via the system (Update Manager or terminal). Any insight on how to approach this would
[05:46] <radiovstv> be appreciated.
[05:46] <JadedNZ> But they're just going to use the laptop for general web surfing and save everything on the cloud
[05:53] <clue_h> JadedNZ, if their main hd is failing the least they could do is install a base system on a cheap sd card/usb if they dont want to spend to much. More importantly they should backup what they have on something
[05:53] <clue_h> too*
[06:00] <hymera> hi
[06:00] <hymera> can i ask if anyone is from Canada
[06:00] <hymera> i need a little help
[06:01] <cfhowlett> !ask|hymera,
[06:02] <clue_h> hymera, what's up
[06:05] <hymera> hi clue_h can i PM you>
[06:05] <clue_h> hymera, i may not know the answer, best to ask your question here
[06:08] <PParth> hey all
[06:08] <PParth> i have a local ubuntu repository and i have a kickseed file
[06:08] <PParth> what do i need to do to install on a laptop through network?
[06:08] <PParth> no CD drive
[06:08] <PParth> want to do "live" install
[06:08] <PParth> from my local repo and using my kickseed file
[06:09] <PParth> i'm looking through https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation#Installation_without_a_CD
[06:09] <PParth> but i can't see an option that fits my requirements exactly
[06:09] <PParth> not sure where the solution might lie either... so any help/nudge would be appreciated
[06:15] <Sathis> sudo tail -f /var/log//squid3/access.log
[06:15] <cfhowlett> PParth, so a network installation, yes?
[06:16] <Sathis> i need to seperate a string within that commind
[06:16] <PParth> cfhowlett i guess that's what it would be called
[06:16] <Sathis> *command
[06:16] <cfhowlett> PParth, see "server and network installations"  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation
[06:16] <PParth> cfhowlett so i'm going to hvae to setup TFTP and PXE?
[06:17] <cfhowlett> PParth, never done so, but yes, that is my understanding.
[06:17] <PParth> cfhowlett ah, that's what i feared. haven't done it myself. I guess i'm in for a fun ride
[06:17] <PParth> cfhowlett thanks
[06:17] <cfhowlett> PParth, have fun, be safe.
[06:17] <Sathis> how to get a seperate string with command in ubuntu.. ?
[06:18] <Sathis> anyone help ...
[06:18] <PParth> Sathis give an example of what you mean by seperate
[06:19] <Sathis> Command: sudo tail -f /var/log//squid3/access.log
[06:19] <Sathis> this will run a log files
[06:19] <Sathis> eg:<PHONE_NUMBER>.966 S001 50009 TCP_MISS/200 CONNECT msh.amazon.com:443 DIRECT/<IP_ADDRESS> - [Host:- User-Agent:Amazon/5104.1 CFNetwork/548.1.4 Darwin/11.0.0]
[06:19] <PParth> ok
[06:19] <PParth> what do you want the final output to look like?
[06:20] <Sathis> in that log files i need to view only this string with  "50009 "
[06:20] <squillow> i need some help with a broadcom b43 driver for a broadcom bcm4331 -- its working but it doesnt detect any wifi networks until i manually "connect to hidden network". im using ubuntu 12.04.3
[06:20] <PParth> sudo tail -f /var/log//squid3/access.log | cut -d\  -f 3
[06:20] <squillow> any suggestions would be appreciated, thank you
[06:20] <PParth> try that
[06:20] <cfhowlett> squillow, so is that network indeed hidden?  try connecting to a different network.
[06:20] <squillow> no its not hidden
[06:21] <PParth> Sathis there are two spaces after "-d\"
[06:21] <squillow> its just manually forcing it to associate
[06:21] <PParth> that's specifies the deliminator as a space
[06:21] <PParth> -f specifies the 3rd column to output
[06:21] <Sathis> PParth > sure let me checl
[06:21] <cfhowlett> squillow, strange behavior.  Wish I knew more but ... over my head
[06:21] <squillow> after that point it detects other networks in the vicinity
[06:21] <squillow> iwlist wlan0 scan shows nothing
[06:21] <squillow> until i force it to connect
[06:21] <cfhowlett> squillow, ... VERY strange behavior.
[06:22] <clue_h> Sathis, or...         cat /var/log//squid3/access.log | grep50009
[06:22] <CountryfiedLinux> How do I find out what graphics card model I have?
[06:23] <clue_h> with space at end
[06:23] <PParth> Sathis if you are looking for the exact string "50009" then follow clue_h suggestion and use the command "grep"
[06:24] <clue_h> CountryfiedLinux, lspci
[06:24] <ChogyDan> CountryfiedLinux: sudo lshw -C video
[06:24] <PParth> Sathis you can do something like:  sudo tail -f /var/log//squid3/access.log | cut -d\  -f 3 | grep 50009
[06:24] <squillow> cfhowlett: thanks; anyone else?
[06:25] <clue_h> squillow, is cat /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf saying managed=true?
[06:26] <squillow> ifupdown -- managed=false
[06:26] <CountryfiedLinux> ChogyDan, http://pastebin.com/hcKP2BFg I don't see a model version number
[06:26] <clue_h> squillow, try changing it to true
[06:27] <clue_h> squillow, because i had a similar issue, this helped.
[06:27] <ChogyDan> CountryfiedLinux: you misstyped the command
[06:27] <nurow> Hello, for several days now I've been trying to find a way to stop the windows snapping that occurs between my first and second monitors. My cursor constantly gets stuck in the gap between the two monitors, and it is extremely annoying. I tried disabling windows snapping in Compiz, but that had no effect. I tried disabling Windows Snapping in Unity Tweak Manager, but that disables all windows snapping, and I don't want that. What can I do?
[06:28] <LinuxGold> CountryfiedLinux:  sudo lshw -C video NOT sudo lshw _C video
[06:28] <squillow> clue_h: i will try and reboot -- if i dont come back then it worked lol
[06:29] <clue_h> lol
[06:29] <squillow> after i force it its fine until reboot or suspend
[06:29] <squillow> fyi ive tried bcmwl-kernel-source (which fails and is the one that "Additional drivers" installs), and reinstalling the b43 firmware cutter which reinstalls the most current driver
[06:29] <CountryfiedLinux> ChogyDan, http://pastebin.com/cj4y1F2L
[06:30] <clue_h> squillow, so is it using the open source driver now
[06:30] <squillow> 	Kernel driver in use: bcma-pci-bridge
[06:30] <squillow> 	Kernel modules: bcma
[06:31] <ChogyDan> CountryfiedLinux: I think you just have instels integrated graphics, i915
[06:31] <CountryfiedLinux> ChogyDan, I was about to ask that haha thanks.
[06:31] <squillow> here goes
[06:32] <cfhowlett> squillow, so you attempted multiple installation methods.  I'd suggest maybe an artifact or two is confusing the issue.  purge the bcm stuff and reinstall.
[06:33] <ChogyDan> didn't broadcom go open source?  Why is it still so hard for folks?
[06:33] <santosh> I have a 2 mb file and a 10 mb file, I want the first to be merged in second one overwriting the existing 2mb.
[06:33] <cfhowlett> ChogyDan, they did.  broadcom linux sta driver requires users to compile and such.  Most want no part of that.
[06:34] <PN2> hi
[06:34] <cfhowlett> PN2, greetings
[06:34] <PN2> lady gaga is there
[06:35] <cfhowlett> !ot|PN2,
[06:35] <santosh> Anybody to the my question?
[06:35] <clue_h> squillow, i take it that had no effect
[06:35] <squillow> no
[06:36] <cfhowlett> squillow, what was your chipset?
[06:37] <cfhowlett> http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php
[06:38] <squillow> bcm4331
[06:38] <squillow> from macbookpro 8,3
[06:38] <squillow> that driver doesnt have that chip listed
[06:39] <emurillo510> does anyone know why sometimes video/music is choppy on ubuntu, it goes away after restarts
[06:39] <squillow> memory gets low
[06:39] <emurillo510> i have 12.04 lts version of ubuntu, it happens occasionally and it goes away after restart
[06:39] <santosh> I have a 2 mb file and a 10 mb file, I want the first to be merged in second one overwriting the existing 2mb of 10 mb file.
[06:39] <LinuxGold> when I issued iwconfig wlan0 essid <myessid> key <password> I received the error in Ubuntu 13.04 --  Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A):
[06:39] <emurillo510> but i have 8 gigs
[06:40] <LinuxGold> invalid argument "<password>"
[06:40] <squillow> use htop to figure out what is eating your memory or cpu
[06:40] <Alvein> hi all
[06:40] <Alvein> Help determine the cause of the periodic server is unavailable (ubuntu 13.04)
[06:40] <clue_h> emurillo510, could be a number of factors like high disk access too
[06:41] <emurillo510> ic
[06:41] <squillow> or as clue_h says -- iotop
[06:41] <emurillo510> is there a way to fix it w/o restarting all the time?
[06:41] <squillow> end the process...
[06:41] <PN2> how to run cron  job in script
[06:42] <clue_h> it's usually the reverse
[06:42] <squillow> so anyone have a clue about my broadcom issue?
[06:43] <squillow> im not sure if its a driver issue or something else because once associated it detects other networks -- so the driver operates?
[06:44] <clue_h> squillow, only a lame question, in network manager is 'automatically connect' ticked.
[06:45] <squillow> yes
[06:45] <clue_h> sorry for that lol
[06:46] <Sathis> PParth> sudo tail -f /var/log//squid3/access.log | grep -h 50001
[06:47] <Sathis> this worked :)
[06:47] <PParth> Sathis that's good to hear. Sorry misunderstood your original request =)
[06:48] <clue_h> someone suggested to purge everything to do with the proprietary driver and then install the open source. i was just going to look for an arch wiki on your wifi model but update interfered
[06:49] <clue_h> slow connection
[06:50] <horrow> Hello guys i need some help pls
[06:50] <MrQuist> OH sure
[06:50] <MrQuist> here, have some help:
[06:50] <MrQuist> 1. Always drink a glass of water before going to bed.
[06:50] <MrQuist> 2. Try to eat at least 2 pieces of fruit per day.
[06:51] <MrQuist> 3. Always ask a question, don't ask to ask :)
[06:51] <horrow> Im trying last 2 days to use logkeys program on my ubuntu
[06:51] <horrow> but i cant
[06:51] <squillow> i can apt-get remove b43 stuff and modprobe -rf b43
[06:51] <squillow> but installing open source didnt help when i trieed
[06:51] <MrQuist> okay
[06:51] <MrQuist> thats too bad horrow
[06:51] <horrow> im using ubuntu 12.04 LTS 64bit
[06:52] <clue_h> squillow, what a pain this broadcom is
[06:53] <squillow> i know
[06:53] <MrQuist> okay great
[06:53] <horrow> MrQuist, when i start logkeys -s or when i conf map file is the same my log files are always empty
[06:53] <rostam> Hi what is alternate Ubuntu CD? is this a different than for example Ubuntu server? thx
[06:53] <MrQuist> i am using 13.10
[06:53] <squillow> its almost like apple didnt want anything but mac os x on this machine  :p
[06:53] <clue_h> is there anyway to stop my icons jiggling in the launcher when something opens ? ive been meaning to ask for ages
[06:54] <clue_h> sends me crazy
[06:54] <rostam> MrQuist, is 13.10 stable ?
[06:55] <clue_h> squillow, with persistence you'll win haha
[06:56] <squillow> well its been a while now with this problem
[06:56] <squillow> its preventing me from making this my field laptop because without a network to connect to it wont see other networks first
[06:56] <clue_h> rostam, last time i used it, it was less bulky and fit on a cd rom
[06:57] <horrow> anybody can help me with program logkeys im trying it from 2 days and no success
[07:01] <helmut_> hi
[07:01] <clue_h> squillow, perhaps a different interface , maybe 'wicd'. it could be network manager. long shot though
[07:02] <PN2> how to run crontab
[07:08] <Wiz_KeeD> hey guys, can someone help out with this please?  libsqlite3-dev : Depends: libsqlite3-0 (= 3.7.9-2ubuntu1) but 3.7.9-2ubuntu1.1 is to be installed
[07:08] <Wiz_KeeD> how can i fix such sitiuations?
[07:10] <pandaroot-gama> i am setting up a local repostory using debmirror
[07:10] <pandaroot-gama> the prob is that i am only able to download from main, not from restricted, universe and multiverse.
[07:14] <ObrienDave> pandaroot-gama::: sorry, came in late. do you have those repositories enabled?
[07:16] <pandaroot-gama> ObrienDave, yeah i have those repositories enabled.
[07:16] <pandaroot-gama> ObrienDave, it's ok mate :)
[07:17] <Wiz_KeeD> Any thoughts on that please?
[07:17] <Wiz_KeeD> tried apt-get clean and apt-get update but still doesn't work
[07:18] <bazhang> Wiz_KeeD, what is your end goal here, what prompts that
[07:21] <squillow> clue_h: i wanted to let you know that installing wicd somehow made it work through a reboot with network manager
[07:22] <jshriver> greetings
[07:22] <jshriver> by chance does anyone know how or recommend a torrent server for Ubuntu?  I have over 200gigs of scientific data I'm trying to share.
[07:23] <jshriver> Due to concerns, I'm looking for something that is pretty closed off.. noone can add anything except me. Trying to alleviate some stress from my main web box. Tips are appreciated.
[07:27] <houser> how do i restart skype when it crashes without restarting the whole computer?
[07:27] <horrow> Somebody pls help me config LOGKEYS on ubuntu 12.04 64bit
[07:29] <jshriver> exit
[07:33] <horrow> Somebody pls help me config LOGKEYS on ubuntu 12.04 64bit
[07:35] <Dr_Willis> !info logkeys
[07:38] <BlackDex_> Hello there... i have some unaligned icons on my desktop for a while... and i'm wondering how to fix that... i can't find anything which could help me
[07:39] <Dr_Willis> hmm theres not a align icons on the right click menu?
[07:39] <Dr_Willis> You could just hide all icons on the desktop. ;)
[07:40] <BlackDex> Dr_Willis: LoL...
[07:40] <BlackDex> well i use the "Keep Aligned" option
[07:40] <Dr_Willis> i dont have any icons at all on my Ubuntu desktops
[07:40] <BlackDex> but that shifts the icon's out of alignment
[07:40] <Dr_Willis> they got funny names? I cant recall ever seeing the issue. wondered if a long name may goof things up
[07:41] <BlackDex> hmm
[07:41] <k3pl3r16> is there anyone that is can help recover a home partition?
[07:41] <k3pl3r16> I have installed ubuntu from a slackware install and im missing my files on a separate home partition
[07:42] <jyhc> Can I install v3.11-saucy mainline kernel onto a fresh 13.04.2 xubuntu install?
[07:42] <k3pl3r16> df shows that they are there but no files are shown
[07:42] <ikonia> k3pl3r16: from a slackware install ?
[07:42] <ikonia> k3pl3r16: how did you install it from slackware ?
[07:42] <Dr_Willis> k3pl3r16:  no files are shown where exactly?  ls   dosent show the files?
[07:42] <k3pl3r16> ikonia, I had slackware installed just before and a separate home
[07:42] <ikonia> jyhc: why would you do that ?
[07:42] <ikonia> k3pl3r16: so you didn't actually install it from slackware
[07:42] <BlackDex> Dr_Willis: It seems to be the naming and being on the right side of the screen, it will misalign
[07:42] <opalepatrick> anyone know of a reasonably current command line csv to xml tool?
[07:42] <BlackDex> didn't tought about that
[07:43] <BlackDex> thx
[07:43] <jyhc> ikonia: I need some patches in 3.11 for my system
[07:43] <k3pl3r16> ikonia, yes sorry i had slackware installed previously
[07:43] <horrow> exit
[07:43] <ikonia> k3pl3r16: how did you install ubuntu
[07:43] <k3pl3r16> I installed ubuntu and kept the home partition
[07:43] <Dr_Willis> BlackDex:   :) i never put icons on the right side either..  thats where my COnky stuff is at ;P
[07:43] <jyhc> ikonia: it will work, right? just wget kernel headers and image, dpkg install
[07:43] <k3pl3r16> ikonia, live cd
[07:43] <ikonia> jyhc: nope
[07:43] <ikonia> k3pl3r16: and did you install it to the same disk, different disk, ?
[07:43] <Dr_Willis> k3pl3r16:  so you cd to where the files are at. and use 'ls' do you see themn? what do you see exactly?
[07:44] <k3pl3r16> ikonia, same disk 1tb
[07:44] <jyhc> ikonia: so how can I get 3.11 on 13.04.2?
[07:44] <k3pl3r16> Dr_Willis, nothing all folders are blank
[07:44] <jyhc> there is no v3.11-raring
[07:44] <ikonia> jyhc: wait for an official package, or make your own and pin it properly
[07:44] <ikonia> k3pl3r16: so are you trying to view the files from slackware ?
[07:45] <k3pl3r16> ikonia, no i removed slackware and installed ubuntu
[07:45] <ikonia> k3pl3r16: so are you in ubuntu now ?
[07:45] <k3pl3r16> yes
[07:45] <k3pl3r16> ikonia, fresh install
[07:45] <ikonia> k3pl3r16: so why do you think there are no files ?
[07:45] <ikonia> k3pl3r16: as you're in ubuntu, so there obviously are files
[07:45] <k3pl3r16> because when I type ls or look in nautilus nothing shows folder is empty
[07:46] <ikonia> k3pl3r16: what folder are you looking at ?
[07:46] <jyhc> ikonia: OK. can you link me some documentation on how to make my own?
[07:46] <jyhc> ikonia: or what should I search for
[07:46] <ikonia> jyhc: not got anything to hand
[07:46] <k3pl3r16> my music pictures videos etc are not showing even with sudo but df shows that 5% of the home folder is used
[07:46] <ikonia> k3pl3r16: what folder are you looking at ?
[07:46] <Mr_Mulll> er
[07:47] <ikonia> k3pl3r16: what is the full path of the folder you are looking at
[07:47] <k3pl3r16> ikonia, the ones in home music,pictures,video etc
[07:47] <Mr_Mulll> who was it arguing with me that the USB won't boot cause of a graphics problem?
[07:47] <Dr_Willis> k3pl3r16:   you mean 5% of the home partion?
[07:47] <ikonia> k3pl3r16: are you trying to use the /home partition from your slackware installed ?
[07:47] <k3pl3r16> /home/k3pl3r16/Music
[07:47] <k3pl3r16> no I no longer have slackware installed
[07:47] <k3pl3r16> I replaced this with Ubuntu
[07:47] <ikonia> k3pl3r16: have you put the files into your home directory ?
[07:48] <k3pl3r16> ikonia, I have used the same parttiton,same username for the/home folder
[07:48] <ikonia> k3pl3r16: so you are trying to use the /home partition from the slackware install ?
[07:49] <k3pl3r16> ikonia, yes
[07:49] <k3pl3r16> ikonia, i did not format this
[07:49] <ikonia> k3pl3r16: I suspect when you selected it, you didnt remove the "format" tick box
[07:49] <ikonia> k3pl3r16: I'm sorry, if there are no files in that directory, it's either a.) not mounted b.) formated
[07:49] <ikonia> k3pl3r16: is the /home partition mounted ?
[07:49] <Dr_Willis> k3pl3r16: 5% of a partion is normally reserved when formated for root emergancy ussage.
[07:49] <k3pl3r16> ikonia, I did gparted and df show that it has 36GB used
[07:49] <ikonia> k3pl3r16: is the /home partition mounted ?
[07:50] <k3pl3r16> ikonia, Dr_Willis  good point I;ll check
[07:50] <Dr_Willis> k3pl3r16:  you may want to pastebin the output of 'mount'  'sudo blkid' and 'sudo fdisk -l'
[07:51] <k3pl3r16> Dr_Willis,  ikonia , yup it is mounted
[07:51] <Dr_Willis> if its the home directory/partion from a difffent disrto. then the ownership of the files may be all messed up. the root user SHOULD still be able to see the files and chown/chmod them to be owneable by your proper user.
[07:54] <ikonia> k3pl3r16: can you please pastebin the output of the command "mount" and the command "df -h" please.
[07:54] <k3pl3r16> Dr_Willis, ikonia here is the pastebin http://paste.ubuntu.com/6091456/
[07:55] <ikonia> k3pl3r16: please show me the ouptut of "df -h" in a pastebin
[07:55] <ikonia> k3pl3r16: why are you partitions btrfs
[07:56] <k3pl3r16> df command http://paste.ubuntu.com/6091463/
[07:56] <k3pl3r16> ikonia, that is my home
[07:56] <ikonia> k3pl3r16: home is empty
[07:57] <k3pl3r16> home is /dev/sda7 and it says that it is 5% used
[07:57] <k3pl3r16> 36GB
[07:57] <ikonia> home is /dev/sda6
[07:57] <ikonia> /dev/sda6      823330976 38793852 784355664   5% /home
[07:58] <k3pl3r16> ikonia, Dr_Willis found it
[07:58] <k3pl3r16> sorry I thought that sda7 was home but there is another partition /dev/sda6
[07:58] <k3pl3r16> this is not mounted
[07:58] <phpjunkies> ae
[07:58] <k3pl3r16> sorry for wasting you time
[07:58] <k3pl3r16> thank
[07:58] <k3pl3r16> you
[07:58] <ikonia> no problem
[08:00] <k3pl3r16> ikonia, I was confused because /home said that it was 5% used and 36GB
[08:00] <k3pl3r16> but this was /dev/sda7
[08:02] <DJones> k3pl3r16: THe 5% used could well be the default reserved disk space that Ubuntu reserves for use by the operating system
[08:03] <DJones> k3pl3r16: Ubuntu reserves 5% by default
[08:04] <k3pl3r16> DJones, but this was on the home partition that is why i got confused
[08:04] <k3pl3r16> DJones, all good have my stuff back now
[08:05] <DJones> k3pl3r16: I could be wrong, but I thought the 5% applied to all partitions regardless, but good to see you've got your stuff back
[08:05] <elr90>  #linux
[08:08] <k3pl3r16> DJones, yeah I don't know I should have read df better
[08:21] <ssshvb> is it possible to copy a few files from different folders if i have a pls file from Rhythmbox 2.97 . ?  A pls file is a playlist  folder so i guess it contain the name of the file and  the  path  to it .
[08:26] <ssshvb> i asked the developer bu they did not reply
[08:27] <ssshvb> but*
[08:28] <ActionParsnip> ssshvb: if you can grep the file names out, I don't see why not
[08:31] <edo_y> does anyone know how to install oracle on Mac?? I tried any ways but they don't work at all
[08:33] <phaedra> edo_y: You may have a better chance asking in #MacOSX
[08:34] <edo_y> phaedra Ok i'll ask it there.
[08:35] <pythonuklearner> webczat: /join #oracle
[08:35] <pythonuklearner> sorry
[08:35] <pythonuklearner> was for me :)
[08:36] <sidt> ping
[08:37] <sidt> quit
[08:40] <Bagheera> morning all
[08:41] <gartral> hi
[08:52] <MoL0ToV> i have a problem with xscreensaver, don't authenticate even with correct password
[08:53] <MoL0ToV> also gnome-screensaver
[09:04] <FooBarWidget> which channel should I go to for help on ubuntu packaging?
[09:05] <DJones> FooBarWidget: Might be worth trying #ubuntu-app-devel
[09:06] <geirha> Isn't that for mobile apps?
[09:06] <DJones> I didn't think so, I thought it was for any Ubuntu app's
[09:07] <FooBarWidget> I'll just ask here. how do I use ccache when using pbuilder to build packages?
[09:07] <FooBarWidget> or, more specifically, pbuilder-dist
[09:07] <FooBarWidget> the documentation says that it's supposed to "automatically" use ccache but that doesn't appear to be the case
[09:16] <adzy> ZFS question: is it normal for txg_sync to be writing to disk every 5 seconds? I've had this pool running for a week, and this is the first time I've noticed it
[09:23] <opalepatrick> seem to be having this problem regularly since upgrade - Error: unable to create tmp file in /usr/bin/scripts (for instance)
[09:23] <opalepatrick> any ideas?
[09:26] <opalepatrick> permission... saved as su
[09:37] <ubilli> can any one help i am havung problems with installing skype on my ubuntu....?
[09:38] <Dr_Willis> !skype
[09:39] <ActionParsnip> adzy: are there any bugs reported?
[09:40] <adzy> ActionParsnip - not that I'm aware of
[09:45] <ubilli> please i try this command but it did not work... sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386
[09:56] <jimmy32> Hi.  How can I search in a folder and subfolders for .html files which contain a string?
[09:57] <ikonia> jimmy32: grep ?
[09:57] <Moscherkobold> hello everyone, is it possible to create a wlan hotspot with my ubuntu laptop? It is connected to cable LAN atm
[09:57] <cfhowlett> !share
[09:57] <ikonia> Moscherkobold: there are software packages to make your wifi card a hotspot as long as the card supports it
[09:58] <ikonia> !ics | Moscherkobold
[09:58] <Moscherkobold> great thx
[09:58] <jimmy32> ikonia, what is the exact command?
[09:59] <ikonia> jimmy32: try to at least work these things out, grep -R string *.html
[10:00] <geirha> jiffe99: find . -name "*.html" -exec grep string /dev/null {} +
[10:00] <geirha> err, was meant for jimmy32
[10:01] <vtux> h
[10:01] <geirha> ikonia: That will only search through html files in the current dir
[10:01] <ikonia> -R is revursive
[10:01] <ikonia> recursive
[10:01] <geirha> ikonia: Yes, but you don't give it any directories to recurse through. Only files.
[10:02] <nrdb> can anyone tell me why this simple python program http://paste.ubuntu.com/6091814/ does not display an icon?  I have been looking at lots of examples but none help!
[10:02] <nerdtron> find commands defaults to recursive isn't it
[10:02] <ikonia> geirha: ahh, I missed it yes, no directory called *.html
[10:02] <ikonia> good sport
[10:02] <ikonia> spot
[10:03] <geirha> nerdtron: yes
[10:04] <nrdb> I have failed to get anything visible.  Including the commented out lines.
[10:04] <MrQuist> Aww :(
[10:06] <Dry_Lips> Hi guys, I'm trying to install phpmyadmin, and I get this error message: http://pastebin.com/fvKpNQme
[10:06] <Dry_Lips> Any suggestions?
[10:08] <nrdb> Dry_Lips, you need a database user called 'root' or install as different user.
[10:09] <Dry_Lips> nrdb, well, I thought one was set up automatically?
[10:11] <USAtrucker> (must try to NOT be a smart a**)
[10:11] <nrdb> Dry_Lips, try and connect to the data as root, I think you will find you can't.  I have never use phpmyadmin thou
[10:12] <Wiz_KeeD> Hello Everyone
[10:12] <Mace268> i think he may just need to add a password for the root db user
[10:12] <Wiz_KeeD> I have managed to erase my ubuntu installation running a command like apt-get remove libsqllit3.* or something like that...
[10:12] <Wiz_KeeD> removed, EVERYTHING
[10:13] <Wiz_KeeD> So I have to take things seriously
[10:13] <Mace268> mysql root is different than system root, they're not related
[10:13] <Wiz_KeeD> And learn about package manager and how it handles things, can I please be informed on how I can view my last command as root in the broken installation? I have access to the folders
[10:14] <Dry_Lips> I've already got a passwd for mySQL root... , Mace268  I think you set it up when installing mySQL
[10:15] <nrdb> Wiz_KeeD, try .bash_history
[10:16] <nrdb> can anyone tell me why this simple python program http://paste.ubuntu.com/6091814/ does not display an icon?  I have been looking at lots of examples but none help!  And trying many slightly different args to the functions.
[10:17] <Wiz_KeeD> sudo apt-get remove libsqlite3-0sudo apt-get remove libsqlite3-0
[10:17] <Wiz_KeeD> This removed everything! :(
[10:26] <Monotoko> Wiz_KeeD: describe everything?
[10:26] <Wiz_KeeD> Monotoko: python,firefox,gnome,Dropbox....everything
[10:27] <Wiz_KeeD> Now i'm on a live cd trying to move my personal files and folders onto an external hard-drive because ubuntu doesn't boot anymore
[10:27] <Monotoko> do you have a log of exactly what it removed? All of those use sqlite, it's not a good idea to remove it
[10:28] <Monotoko> why did you try to remove it?
[10:28]  * nrdb I verify what is going to be removed before saying continue.
[10:29] <Monotoko> generally it's not a good idea to remove any libs ubuntu comes with
[10:29] <Monotoko> they're packaged in there for a reason
[10:29] <Wiz_KeeD> pfff...had no idea, because I needed to install it for a ruby application to work and it conflicted with that
[10:30] <ss_haze> how to restore lightdm-gtk-greeter
[10:30] <Monotoko> ss_haze: what did you do?
[10:31] <ss_haze> kubuntu-backport repository gave update, that overtrow it for lightdm-kde-greeter
[10:31] <Monotoko> have you tried apt-get install lightdm-gtk-greeter?
[10:31] <ss_haze> deleting kde-greeter or reinstalling gtk-greeter made it crash on bootup
[10:32] <ss_haze> I have it installed
[10:32] <Wiz_KeeD> I have saved my files in home opt adn var
[10:32] <Wiz_KeeD> Now I can remove everything I suppose?
[10:32] <Wiz_KeeD> Since I want a reinstall
[10:32] <Monotoko> Wiz_KeeD: you only really needed /home
[10:33] <Monotoko> don't try to use your old /var or /opt with the new installation
[10:33] <Wiz_KeeD> ah no, I will jsut extract personal files from there
[10:33] <Wiz_KeeD> There some in opt and a few in var/www
[10:33] <ss_haze> every random user will be persucueted with terminal, after this crash
[10:33] <Monotoko> yeah that's fine, go for the reinstallation
[10:33] <Wiz_KeeD> But with that in mind it's enough I guess right?
[10:33] <ss_haze> if they will delete kde-greeter
[10:33] <ss_haze> so
[10:33] <Wiz_KeeD> Pfuu
[10:33] <Wiz_KeeD> I want to install windows 8 as well
[10:33] <ss_haze> why the hell, things like this happen
[10:34] <Monotoko> Wiz_KeeD: install Windows 8 first
[10:34] <Wiz_KeeD> When I return, could you suggest a method of image auto-backup Monotoko so If i mess up something bad i can always recover
[10:34] <Wiz_KeeD> installing wrong packages or disasters like this?
[10:34] <Wiz_KeeD> for ubuntu 12.04
[10:34] <Wiz_KeeD> Since I think it's the best option?
[10:34] <Wiz_KeeD> Unless you have other suggestions
[10:35] <Monotoko> Wiz_KeeD: I'd just do a reinstall if I'm honest, unless you want full off-site backups
[10:35] <Wiz_KeeD> Yes but I would want to recover the yesterday or an hour ago before i ran some stupid apt-get install command
[10:35] <Wiz_KeeD> But I will come for advice here for any package I install...i had enough
[10:35] <CatKiller> Wiz_KeeD: Snapshots then
[10:35] <CatKiller> that's the solution for that
[10:35] <Wiz_KeeD> CatKiller: that sounds good!
[10:36] <Wiz_KeeD> how you go about that?
[10:36] <Wiz_KeeD> And do you recommend ubuntu 12.04 or some other version?
[10:36] <Wiz_KeeD> I like this one since it's LTS and has somewhat updated package repositories
[10:36] <CatKiller> Wiz_KeeD: Either block based (with LVM) or filesystem based (don't know what's best. zfs does it)
[10:36] <CatKiller> Wiz_KeeD: I use 12.04 but I'm sure 13.04 is good too
[10:36] <CatKiller> doesn't really matter
[10:36] <Monotoko> Wiz_KeeD: You'd need somewhere to store them, then just use snapshotting software
[10:36] <CatKiller> unless you've got some incompatibility
[10:36] <Wiz_KeeD> 13.04 is not lts and is not that updated with packages managers
[10:36] <Monotoko> there is plenty out there
[10:37] <Wiz_KeeD> Okay, can i come back and ask for help on-site once i've installed 12.04 in dual boot with windows?
[10:37] <CatKiller> Wiz_KeeD: sorry your window for help has only 3.56 minutes left!
[10:37] <Wiz_KeeD> haha :)))
[10:37] <CatKiller> Wiz_KeeD: See you in a bit :)
[10:38] <Wiz_KeeD> Though i'm not 100% sure How i will go about that, I install windows 8 and when I partition the hard-disk I should leave some for Ubuntu or...?
[10:38] <Wiz_KeeD> should install chat on my phone
[10:38] <CatKiller> Wiz_KeeD: What you need to do:
[10:38] <Wiz_KeeD> I'm listening carefully CatKiller
[10:38] <CatKiller> 1. Before installing Windows, using either Ubuntu or Windows tools, partition your drive and leave *blank space* for Ubuntu
[10:38] <CatKiller> 2. Install windows on the partition you created
[10:39] <CatKiller> 3. Install Ubuntu, in theory the installer will detect you have another OS and should be able to take the space unused, partition it and *install LVM*
[10:39] <CatKiller> that's important because since newer revisions of Ubuntu use LVM
[10:39] <CatKiller> it's now possible to create snapshots "out of the box"
[10:39] <CatKiller> only thing though is that you'll need some space to store the snapshots, so I'd still wouldn't use all of the free space
[10:40] <CatKiller> leave out maybe 10% of the drive
[10:40] <CatKiller> for whatever use like snapshots
[10:40] <Wiz_KeeD> So 2 partitions for Windows (C:/ and D:/) and blank space for Ubuntu then another 10% for LVM?
[10:40] <K1CKA55> Hello how do i revert my default kernel. right now i was able to select the right kernel via grub so i reckon it's still installed buti want to make my default kernel
[10:40] <CatKiller> so 1 partition for Windows, Ubuntu will create another partition and use it for LVM (you have to tell it to use LVM), but make sure to tell it not to use all of the free remaining space
[10:40] <CatKiller> Wiz_KeeD: That sounds good
[10:41] <CatKiller> Wiz_KeeD: But 2 partitions + blank space
[10:41] <CatKiller> Wiz_KeeD: *then* when you install Ubuntu, it will partition the disk further and that's when you tell it to leave 10% free
[10:41] <Wiz_KeeD> 50 gigs of blank space for Ubuntu and the rest divided in two for Windows
[10:41] <Wiz_KeeD> ahh yes yes
[10:41] <Wiz_KeeD> Got it...
[10:41] <CatKiller> 50Gigs for Ubuntu and then at the end of your install
[10:42] <CatKiller> you should be left with all your partitions and 5G free for snapshots
[10:42] <Wiz_KeeD> The world would be such a beautiful place if it was more similar to this chanel and people like you CatKiller , thank you so much for your support, I leave my phone on if I run intro trouble like the idiot I know I am
[10:42] <Wiz_KeeD> brb
[10:42] <sparks56> ##hamradio
[10:46] <CatKiller> Wiz_KeeD-Android: Here's a nice guide for after: http://www.tutonics.com/2012/12/lvm-guide-part-2-snapshots.html
[10:46] <Wiz_KeeD-Android> wow, goldmine!
[10:47] <Wiz_KeeD-Android> on phone now
[10:47] <Takumo> Anyone got php-fpm working chrooted?
[10:47] <Wiz_KeeD-Android> now i have to make a usb stick bootable fot windoes
[10:47] <Takumo> I can't get mine to resolve DNS, does mount --rbind even work for a chroot?
[10:48] <Wiz_KeeD-Android> bookmarked on phone CatKiller !
[10:48] <CatKiller> Wiz_KeeD-Android: Cool
[10:48] <tokern3> hi. how can i disable unity notification?
[10:49] <tokern3> it popup in the middle of my work. and it is tooooooo bad
[10:49] <tokern3>  hi. how can i disable unity notification? it popup in the middle of my work. and it is tooooooo bad
[10:50] <CatKiller> Takumo: Maybe the /etc/resolv.conf file isn't accessible?
[10:52] <Takumo> I tried copying /etc/resolv.conf /etc/nsswitch.conf and /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnss_*.so*
[10:53] <CatKiller> Takumo: Not sure then, sorry
[10:54] <Takumo> That's where I got to CatKiller , but I've still not found out how to fix it. I'd chroot into it myself but I get "/usr/bin/zsh to many symlink"
[10:54] <CatKiller> Good luck with that :)
[10:57] <amjad_> hello
[10:57] <Wiz_KeeD-Android> pfff now thisnis good! The windows iso is 4.5 gigs and the dvd which are allegedly 4.7 do not have enough space to burn to
[10:57] <Wiz_KeeD-Android> and nobody here has a uab stick :/...
[10:58] <Ben64> Wiz_KeeD-Android: ok... maybe ask someone in ##windows ?
[11:00] <CatKiller> Wiz_KeeD-Android: You need a dual layer otherwise
[11:01] <Dr_Willis> cant say ive ever noticed a 4.7 GB DVD disk
[11:01] <rhumbot> hi all, when booting my system is getting a black screen since i updated my ubuntu 12.04. I get a "stoppinh system V runlevel compatibility" message. i googled lots of methods to fix this but nothing worked. can anyone help me? i really need to restore the system and cant just reinstall
[11:02] <Dr_Willis> !nomodeset | rhumbot
[11:03] <Dr_Willis> rhumbot:  also test out the  'text' mode to see if you can get to a console.
[11:03] <Dr_Willis> !text
[11:06] <mfiskindal> yiğit
[11:07] <mfiskindal> hello
[11:13] <ni232925> hi .  anyone know how you disable echi_hcd in ubuntu 12.10 ?
[11:14] <rhumbot> Dr_Willis setting nomodeset got me stuck in a a purple screen instead of a black one ...
[11:14] <Dr_Willis> rhumbot:  try the 'text' mode option
[11:15] <Dr_Willis> 'noquiet nosplash nofb text nomodeset'   turns off about everything i can think of and should get you to a standard login: console prompt
[11:16] <pierre940> hey, I am reinstall ubuntu and I want to re-use an encrypted volume
[11:16] <pierre940> how do I do this? (in the installer)
[11:17] <pierre940> all data on it needs to stay intact
[11:17] <Dr_Willis> make backups - would be the Best thing to do. just in case
[11:17] <pierre940> that is what I am doing now\
[11:17] <pierre940> but it kinda beats the purpose of an separate /home partition
[11:17] <pierre940> having to format it each time
[11:18] <pandaroot-gama> is this available as pdf ? -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community
[11:19] <jrib> pandaroot-gama: doubtful, but the official help.ubuntu.com guides are I believe (visit that link) and there's also the ubuntu manual
[11:19] <pierre940> I seem to remember you can re-use previously encrypted volumes (not LVM perse) using the alternate CD
[11:19] <jrib> !manual | pierre940
[11:20] <jrib> pandaroot-gama: the message above from ubottu was for you
[11:20] <pandaroot-gama> thanks jrib
[11:20] <pandaroot-gama> :)
[11:24] <pierre940> lol
[11:24] <pierre940> the installer can't even re-mount the volume
[11:24] <pierre940> luckily I can still boot my system
[11:25] <jrib> pierre940: what kind of encryption are you using on /home/
[11:25] <pierre940> not sure, the one that is usable on all partitions
[11:25] <pierre940> the one that is no file based
[11:25] <pierre940> don't know it's name to be honest
[11:25] <jrib> pierre940: so not ecryptfs on each user's home?
[11:25] <pierre940> nope
[11:26] <pierre940> that's for sure
[11:26] <jrib> pierre940: ok
[11:29] <rhumbot> Dr_Willis it all changed: i cant get to the grub 2 menu. shift and or escape wont help. they just bring me to the console during the loading screen.
[11:40] <NastyNaz> im using nano to write simple python scripts. Can anyone recommend some easy-to-use version control system that automatically backsup my scripts so I can revert to a previous version later on?
[11:40] <pierre940> NastyNaz, there are no automatic version control systems
[11:40] <pierre940> you always have to create your own revisions
[11:41] <pierre940> what you can do however is use dropbox for example
[11:41] <pierre940> it keeps up to 15 previous versions of a file
[11:41] <pierre940> but this is horrible when working on a project with multiple files
[11:41] <NastyNaz> so there isn't an easier way than renaming the file each time? I was hoping for something like a localised version of dropbox
[11:41] <jrib> NastyNaz: i suggest you learn git (or some other currently popular vcs)
[11:41] <pierre940> indeed
[11:42] <pierre940> that is, if you want to have a future in software development you will have to learn git sooner or later
[11:42] <pierre940> NastyNaz, not saying it doesn't exist, but I don't know of any such program
[11:43] <NastyNaz> right now I'm using it for some math modelling. my scripts are maximum 50-100 lines. was hoping there was a way that doesnt involve the timesink of having to learn git
[11:43] <NastyNaz> ok thanks
[11:43] <pierre940> NastyNaz, http://try.github.io/levels/1/challenges/1
[11:43] <jrib> NastyNaz: you can learn enough for what you are doing in about 10 minutes; actually, probably less than the time you've spent in this channel
[11:43] <pierre940> it really isn't that hard
[11:43] <pierre940> if you follow those challenges you know enough
[11:44] <pierre940> and it is localized as long as you don't add a 'remote'
[11:44] <jrib> NastyNaz: git init (do this once).  git add file.py; git commit -m 'fixed foo to do bar' file.py (rinse and repeat)
[11:44] <somsip> NastyNaz: FYI, this is close (but not the same) but the answers may be helpful: http://is.gd/ONjHgU
[11:45] <NastyNaz> I didn't know it was that simple. Thanks I'll have a look at it
[11:45] <jrib> NastyNaz: slowly, you can learn more as you need/want to do more.  That's the best way to approach it.  The git-scm.com book is great
[11:52] <cellfrost> cz?
[11:52] <DJones> !cz | cellfrost
[11:52] <cellfrost> ok
[11:55] <Zeckion32> #linux OS made easy
[11:55] <toddaaro> anyone around who can help with xorg issues? have tried both radeon and fglrx and I can't get any screends detected
[11:55] <toddaaro> variety of crashes, segfaults, etc.
[11:57] <aneesh_> what is best way to increase the size of ubuntu server . My root folder is already full .
[11:58] <aneesh_> or is it possible to mount the /home folder to another harddisk
[11:58] <jrib> !separatehome | aneesh_
[11:58] <aneesh_> thanks jrib ubottu
[12:01] <Moscherkobold> ikonia: i was able to create a adhoc network but unfortunately my smartphone can not see it, but the wifi scan widget shows the network
[12:01] <pipo201> ciao
[12:02] <pipo201> !list
[12:03] <pipo201> !list
[12:03] <pierre940> 0_o
[12:04] <DJones> pipo201: This isn't a file sharing network, that command doesn't work here
[12:04] <ActionParsnip> aneesh_: uninstall old kernels and run:  sudo apt-get clean
[12:04] <ActionParsnip> aneesh_: there s no single best way to do anyting
[12:06] <mr-blah> I cannot get ubuntu to install.
[12:07] <MrQuist> thats too bad.
[12:07] <mr-blah> It won't install grub
[12:07] <rhumbot> could someone support me with my "Stopping System V runlevel compatibility" problem?
[12:07] <mr-blah> says that it installs, then boots to windows
[12:07] <rhumbot> im loading into a black screen
[12:07] <rhumbot> nomodeset didnt help
[12:08] <mr-blah> at startup it says 'couldn't load boot/efi' then goes to windows
[12:10] <mr-blah> could this be intel anti theft, or this oprom setting?
[12:11] <mr-blah> I'm about to give up on it.
[12:12] <lkeijser> hi, how to I report a bug in a package (resource-agents) for ubuntu 12.04.2 ?
[12:13] <mr-blah> worse yet, ubuntu messed up my windows install, so now the ethernet won't work
[12:15] <jrib> !bug | lkeijser
[12:16] <mr-blah> why is ubuntu such a pain w laptops?
[12:16] <lkeijser> jrib: thanks
[12:17] <mr-blah> I have the boot repair cd, no luck there
[12:18] <Ben64> !efi | mr-blah
[12:18] <mr-blah> Ben64: already looked at it, tried it; didn't work
 ok
[12:20] <zaggynl> Hi, I'm trying to install the adaptec 5404 drivers but I can't find a 12.04 driver here: http://www.adaptec.com/en-us/support/raid/sas_raid/sas-5405/
[12:20] <Ben64> mr-blah: you might have to turn off secureboot and/or set the bios to bios emulation mode
[12:20] <Moscherkobold> any idea about that: I was able to create a adhoc network but unfortunately my smartphone can not see it, but the wifi scan widget shows the network
[12:21] <aneesh_> ActionParsnip can add new hardisk to existing server and move the home folder to that harddisk
[12:21] <mr-blah> Ben64: i turned off secure boot
[12:22] <mr-blah> Ben64: and i don't know what bios emulatin mode is.
[12:22] <Ben64> mr-blah: well i
[12:22] <Ben64> t'd be in your bios if the option exists
[12:23] <lkeijser> there, bug reported as a good open source user :)
[12:24] <lesshaste> what is the difference between dist-upgrade and upgrade?
[12:24] <Ben64> the man page for apt-get has the answer
[12:25] <Moscherkobold> lesshaste: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/apt/apt-get?redirect=no
[12:25] <lesshaste> it says "dist-upgrade in addition to performing the function of upgrade,  also intelligently handles changing dependencies with new versions of packages"
[12:26] <lesshaste> but then what does upgrade do?
[12:26] <lesshaste> do it stupidly?
[12:26] <Ben64> the man page says what upgrade does as well
[12:26] <mr-blah> Ben64: it looks as if my hd has no efi partition. could that be the problem?
[12:27] <lesshaste> ah.. the difference is that dist-upgrade might remove some packages?
[12:27] <unknown__> i got a question
[12:27] <Ben64> lesshaste: and add some, yes
[12:27] <lesshaste> ok thanks
[12:27] <unknown__> So i have this skiller keyboard
[12:27] <unknown__> its wired connected
[12:27] <unknown__> but ubuntu 12.10
[12:27] <unknown__> don't support it
[12:27] <unknown__> is there any way to make it work?
[12:29] <ActionParsnip> aneesh_: suer, you can mount the partitions as user home folders if you want
[12:31] <mr-blah> how large should the boo efi parttion be?
[12:31] <unknown__> ubuntu 12.10 don't support my keyboard any idea?
[12:32] <Ben64> unknown__: the keyboard is broken? the port is broken? none of your usb ports are working? we have no way of knowing without more details.
[12:33] <unknown__> Ben64: nothing is broken
[12:34] <unknown__> everything its working the drivers are not supported in ubuntu
[12:34] <unknown__> when i first installed ubuntu 13.10
[12:34] <unknown__> keyboard was fine
[12:34] <unknown__> i switched to 12.10 and the keyboard is not working
[12:35] <Ben64> unknown__: why would you downgrade
[12:36] <unknown__> I found 12.10 a better version
[12:36] <Ben64> well you'll need to upgrade to 13.10 before january or lose support
[12:37] <unknown__> If i do it i'll lose my stuff?
[12:37] <unknown__> no right?
[12:37] <Ben64> shouldn't, but you should have backups anyway
[12:38] <unknown__> can skype 12.4 version work with 13.10?
[12:38] <ARW0> heyo
[12:38] <unknown__> hi
[12:38] <DJones> unknown__: You'll be better asking about 13.10 in #ubuntu+1 thats the support channel for the development version
[12:40] <unknown__> what version of ubuntu are you guys running?
[12:40] <tasslehoff> Anyone know if it's possible to use both the displayport and the vga output on a lenovo t530 at the same time?
[12:40] <gordonjcp> unknown__: 10.04, 12.04, 12.10, 13.04 and 13.10
[12:41] <an3k> sorry for making fun of you all the time till two days ago ... when I installed Ubuntu the first time. It was like the move from Symbian^3 to iOS.  Installation runs well but after logging in the first time the systems first starts to lag extremely and completely freezes ~20 seconds later
[12:44] <unknown__> How can i upgrade all my drivers usin terminal?
[12:44] <Sj__> hi
[12:45] <unknown__> hi
[12:45] <Sj__> any help on X11 entensions?
[12:45] <an3k> I tried the x64 version first but since the sys hang up i tried the x86 one but here I have the exact same problem.
[12:45] <Sj__> i'm getting "xcomposite required" error when i launch my application
[12:45] <an3k> maybe because nVIDIA? Once I saw a "typical gfx card error"
[12:45] <Sj__> any packages do i need to install?
[12:46] <Sj__> glxinfo |grep "OpengGL" output is this
[12:46] <Sj__> OpenGL vendor string: VMware, Inc. OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 0x300) OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 8.0.4 OpenGL shading language version string: 1.20 OpenGL extensions:
[12:47] <ferr> sup does anyone know why do I need double click for signs like ¨ ! and etc on my keyboard
[12:47] <Alvein> hi all
[12:47] <Alvein> can network card stop transfer data with active link?
[12:48] <philinux> unknown__: what version are you running and what do you want to do
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> aneesh_: you will need to copy data over then mount at boot, or you can mount it as one of the folders in a user's $HOME and use it for casual data
[12:50] <ActionParsnip> Sj__: what video chip do you use?
[12:51] <g105b> I'm developing an app that uses the Webcam, but my dev machine doesn't have a camera - is there a way I can use an image/video source as a "fake" webcam so my app sees the device?
[12:52] <toby10ant> Hi, I'm looking to become more involved with ubuntu community, is ubuntu jam a physical meetup? Is much happening in england?
[12:53] <ActionParsnip> g105b: http://hardc0l2e.wordpress.com/2010/01/20/fake-webcam-in-ubuntu-linux/
[12:53] <DJones> toby10ant: There is a UK based channel #ubuntu-uk that it will probably be worth asking in
[12:53] <ActionParsnip> g105b: http://askubuntu.com/questions/139239/fake-a-webcam-using-a-video-loopback-device
[12:54] <toby10ant> Djones: thanks :)
[12:56] <mrrcp> anyone here on 12.04 with virtualbox?
[12:56] <mrrcp> how do i get the usb to work?
[12:59] <ActionParsnip> mrrcp: do you have the guest additions installed?
[12:59] <mn3na3a> question, i get kernel panic when i log out...what should i do?
 this is what exaclty i am looking for. Mounting as folder in users home directory
[13:00] <ActionParsnip> aneesh_: then make a folder and add an entry for it in /etc/fstab
[13:00] <mrrcp> ActionParsnip: i guess not
[13:00] <mrrcp> it isnt working lol
[13:00] <mrrcp> how do i do that
[13:00] <mrrcp> so ActionParsnip .. should i install with apt-get or the files off the virtbox site?
[13:01] <mrrcp> i had a kernal error with the apt-get install so i went to the site
[13:01] <aneesh_> ActionParsnip ok
[13:02] <ActionParsnip> mrrcp: its a menu option in the top of the virtual OS window
[13:02] <ActionParsnip> mrrcp: there are _tonnes_ of how to videos on YouTube for this...
[13:02] <unknown__> how to upgrade my ubntu version?
[13:02] <ActionParsnip> !upgrade | unknown__
[13:03] <mrrcp> so should i use the apt-get install or the one off the site?
[13:03] <mn3na3a> anyone can help me about kernel panic?
[13:04] <ActionParsnip> mrrcp: that wont give you guest additions
[13:06] <ActionParsnip> mrrcp: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q84boOmiPW8
[13:06] <north> Hey all, I need help in screen/window highlighting while doing screencasts
[13:06] <north> any suggestions ?
[13:08] <universal> how to make wifi keyboard led to blink whenever data is sent or received sp as to signify data transfer ?
[13:11] <unknown__> any free vpn for linux?
[13:11] <compdoc> openvpn
[13:12] <aneesh_> ActionParsnip.  sorry  for asking this stupid question . I have already a folder named uploads in my home directory. I just need to move it to new hardisk. so you said mount it as one of the folders in a user's $HOME . which is location i need to specify on  fstab.
[13:13] <salamandre85> can some1 help me with a crash on Ubuntu 12.04LTS
[13:16] <salamandre85> updated to <IP_ADDRESS>-generic headers, system accidentally loaded Win7 after restart
[13:17] <Yu-Yu> Hi! Does anyone use a2dp headset with Ubuntu 13.XX successfully?
[13:19] <BlitzHere> So, I'm confused. I'm all set to buy this laptop. http://www.flipkart.com/samsung-np350v5x-s01in-laptop-3rd-gen-ci5-4gb-500gb-dos-2gb-graph/p/itmdk6ybebthyjzt?pid=COMDK6Y9NHD8H8RX&otracker=browse&pageNum=2 . But it's got an AMD Radeon HD 7670M graphics card...and I keep reading horror stories about Ubuntu and AMD cards....
[13:20] <BlitzHere> Should I go ahead with the purchase or should I back off and buy something else?
[13:20] <BlitzHere> I don't want to spend too much time troubleshooting and setting up the computer
[13:20] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[13:21] <BlitzHere> I've heard from a couple of sources that things work just fine but I just want to put it out here and see what comes up...
[13:21] <Yu-Yu> BlitzHere: FYI, as for me, I do prefer AMD over Intel. While it's all your choice, still. And be I you, I could come and boot from LiveUSB to see myself.
[13:22] <BlitzHere> I have a
[13:23] <BlitzHere> Yu-Yu: I have a live USB for this purpose but I can only seem to find this particular laptop online :P....
[13:23] <Yu-Yu> BlitzHere: Yah, certainly I see that after-reading. ;D
[13:24] <BlitzHere> Yu-Yu: What AMD cards have you used and are there any quirks in Linux that I should be aware of?
[13:25] <BlitzHere> I do think I'll be playing some games on steam...so, I will probably want the Graphics acceleration from the proprietary drivers...
[13:25] <Ari-Yang> BlitzHere, for one thing... the proprietary driver, fglrx, is horrible most of the time (I think it might be okay for HD2000-4000, not sure).
[13:25] <theGrg> Hello. I see that medibuntu is no longer maintained. Any PPAs recommended?
[13:25] <Ari-Yang> BlitzHere, no fglrx is horrible, horrible 2d acceleration, and the open source drivers run your gpu HOT
[13:25] <Ari-Yang> until....
[13:26] <Ari-Yang> BlitzHere, check this out http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTM5NjE
[13:27] <Ari-Yang> BlitzHere, right now, kernel 3.11 with Mesa from git is better than fglrx
[13:27] <Ari-Yang> (this is with open source drivers)
[13:27] <penguinRaider> I want to remove all the repos from /etc/apt/sources.list  that give 404 error I can do that manually one by one .But is there a way to remove them all at once from command line ?
[13:27] <BlitzHere> What's Ubuntu 13.10 going to use again?
[13:28] <universal> BlitzHere: you are paying so much so the laptop doesnt has thunderbolt and esata moreover camera at 1.3m is kinda very poor plus only upto Sata II is supported.....with so much money look for a Sata III interface
[13:28] <Ari-Yang> BlitzHere, not sure.... maybe ubuntu 13.10 will use kernel 3.11...
[13:28] <Ari-Yang> will it?
[13:31] <Ari-Yang> BlitzHere, ubuntu 13.10 will use kernel 3.11
[13:31] <pzn> I need to add a HP T120 printer to ubuntu. this printer is a continuous paper (60cm x 50meters) or A3 color inkjet. it uses PCL3. how can I add it to ubuntu?
[13:31] <Ari-Yang> !13.10
[13:31] <compdoc> next month
[13:32] <BlitzHere> universal: I'm not sure if I can find a better deal. I wanted 4 USB ports and a numpad. I'll look around a little bit more...
[13:33] <BlitzHere> Ari-Yang: Thanks! I might be able to manage till next month...
[13:33] <Ari-Yang> BlitzHere, but I'm not sure if it will be using Mesa 9.2, the version where you can use UVD...
[13:33] <Ari-Yang> BlitzHere, atm I'm running kernel 3.11 on ubuntu 12.10
[13:34] <BlitzHere> Hmm, okay
[13:34] <bcc> any one got any ideas on what I can do when I log onto my laptop, second monitor is always "turned off".. have to unplug and plug it back in.. then okay
[13:35] <Ari-Yang> BlitzHere, I asked on #ubuntu+1 will let you know any new info I get
[13:35] <BlitzHere> I'm going to look at more laptops. Making sure of compatibility with Ubuntu is annoying. I just turned down a free Toshiba S55-A5294 because of issues with Ubuntu...
[13:37] <MrQuist> its already working
[13:38] <Ari-Yang> BlitzHere, just get a laptop with nvidia that has good performance with its proprietary drivers?
[13:38] <theGrg> Anyone recommends PPAs?
[13:39] <Ari-Yang> BlitzHere, if this laptop will only be for gaming, I recommend a laptop with Windows 7 on it....
[13:40] <salamandre85> hi all
[13:41] <BlitzHere> Ari-Yang: Gaming is secondary. It's going to be a general purpose laptop. If it seems like AMD is too much trouble and I can't find anything decent with an Nvidia card, I'll just but something without a card...
[13:41] <salamandre85> I accidentally loaded windows after the latest update on 12.04LTS
[13:41] <flametai1> Hello everyone, I'm going to be installing Ubuntu 13.04 along Windows 8, is there still a "windows" installer for it? I can't remember the program that used to be able to install it right inside of windows. And no I'm not talking about any VMware or anything.
[13:42] <blazemore> !wubi
[13:42] <DJones> !uefi | flametai1
[13:42] <blazemore> flametai1: But I don't recommend it unless you KNOW you need that
[13:42] <blazemore> flametai1: I'd recommend just doing a regular installation on a real partition
[13:42] <Ari-Yang> BlitzHere, tbh AMD is kind of tricky, tbh I say you just roll with Nvidia.... why do you want to install ubuntu?
[13:42] <BlitzHere> Ari-Yang: Maybe something like this. Apparently it's certified to run Ubuntu...
[13:42] <BlitzHere> http://www.flipkart.com/lenovo-thinkpad-e530-33661g0-laptop-3rd-gen-ci3-2gb-500gb-dos/p/itmdnyhdpwndkzdk?pid=COMDNYH9BXEGCHGM&otracker=browse&pageNum=1
[13:43] <Krisostoomus> New site up and running, tell me what U think of it(in contact information->comments): http://webchef.netau.net/
[13:43] <salamandre85> Login page doesn't load after Grub, just a flash of the TTL login then just a text cursor flashing in the corner
[13:43] <Yu-Yu> Krisostoomus: What?
[13:43] <flametai1> blazemore: Been having troubles making a bootable usb for some reason, keeps telling me "A problem with a system application has been detected" or something along those lines. Made the usb multiple times, never had trouble a long time ago doing it. And I have no CD-r's right now unfortunately
[13:43] <ChogyDan> flametai1: I don't think wubi is supported anymore
[13:44] <Ari-Yang> BlitzHere, I see... perhaps https://www.system76.com/laptops/model/galu1 ?
[13:44] <blazemore> flametai1: What are you using to make a bootable USB? And on what platform?
[13:45] <Yu-Yu> flametai1: Didn't you follow the guidelines on preparing LiveUSB at Ubuntu.com?
[13:45] <BlitzHere> Ari-Yang: If I was in the states, then I would have just bought a system76 laptop and been done with it...
[13:46] <Ari-Yang> BlitzHere, oh...
[13:46] <BlitzHere> I know they ship to India but customs can be a pain
[13:46] <flametai1> blazemore: And that's when I start the installer app. I'm using "Universal USB installer <IP_ADDRESS>" on Windows 8, Yu-Yu I wasn't able to find those instructions haha, Been awhile since I used Ubuntu. I've also tried doing it manually too.
[13:46] <BlitzHere> Tax is about 18% apparently...
[13:47] <blazemore> flametai1: Take a look at LiLiUSB (my favourite) or unetbootin (community standard)
[13:47] <Yu-Yu> flametai1: It's directing you to use the it.
[13:47] <blazemore> flametai1: Then reboot your PC and boot from the USB drive
[13:47] <flametai1> blazemore: I used to use LiLi, couldn't remember the program though haha. Thank you for reminding me :D
[13:47] <Yu-Yu> Feels like it can't finish making up that USB pen.
[13:47] <flametai1> I'll be back
[13:49] <Charlos> Hello all !
[13:49] <Charlos> I have identified the Gigabyte GA-H61M-D2H-USB3 as meeting my needs but before buying I wondered if anyone else was using that board and had anything to report, good or bad. for install in Ubuntu 13.04   ?
[13:49] <salamandre85> !ops
[13:49] <Pici> salamandre85: yes?
[13:50] <MrQuist> wat
[13:50] <Ari-Yang> ....
[13:50] <Pici> Okay then.
[13:50] <Charlos> ?
[13:50] <Charlos> what do u say  ?
[13:51] <Charlos> I have pc Gigabyte GA-H61M-D2H-USB3  good or bad. for install in Ubuntu 13.04   ?
[13:51] <oynmrzber> !patience
[13:52] <smoores> Trouble with a cron script. It sends me an email but it's empty. If I take I execute the command on a shell without the script the email is full of it's text. http://paste.ubuntu.com/6092565/
[13:53] <smoores> can you not pipe text through in a script? what should i do?
[13:53] <BlitzHere> Ari-Yang: Ubuntu, when it works, is simpler and faster for me. I have a load of experience with Windows till Windows 7 and windows 8 terrible to the point that I want to kill the laptop.
[13:54] <Ari-Yang> BlitzHere, I see... well then get a laptop with a nvidia card that works just fine with ubuntu, sounds like you need to do some googling. good luck
[13:55] <Homely_Girl> Greetings holders of all Ubuntu knowledge!
[13:55] <BlitzHere> Ari-Yang: Thanks for all the help!
[13:55] <Ari-Yang> you're welcome
[13:55] <rostam> HI is the toolchain version has changed from LTS 12.04 to LTS 12.03 update 3?thx
[13:56] <universal> whats wrong with win7....it was good, though not as fast as xp, I haven't used win8  BlitzHere
[13:56] <universal> it is good now also...just not open
[13:57] <Ari-Yang> universal, doesn't really matter...
[13:57] <Homely_Girl> My Firefox needs a shockwave plug in, help?? I'm using Firefox on Ubuntu 12.04 (I think, the latest one) lol
[13:57] <Ari-Yang> this is a support channel for ubuntu universal, off topic stuff can be discussed on #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:58] <universal> Ari-Yang: better take your laptop help to ubuntu-offtopic
[13:58] <Ari-Yang> universal, pardon?
[13:59] <oynmrzber> Homely_Girl: Do you mean actual old shockwave plugin, or Adobe Flash?
[13:59] <Ari-Yang> universal, that doesn't make any sense whatsoever, smells like you just want to fight :|
[14:00] <Homely_Girl> oynmrzber: The msg I'm getting is that page requires Adobe shockwave player. :(
[14:00] <oynmrzber> Homely_Girl: What page is it?
[14:00] <oynmrzber> Homely_Girl: You can install Adobe Flash with the package "flashplugin-installer". Adobe never made a version of Shockwave for Linux
[14:00] <Homely_Girl> oynmrzber: 2 secs I'll get it for you. it's a silly game I like (don't judge me)
[14:00] <universal> Ari-Yang: naah, I'm not interested - make yourself happy
[14:01] <Homely_Girl> oynmrzber: http://www.miniclip.com/games/adventure-elf
[14:01] <Ari-Yang> Homely_Girl, maybe install adobe flash player plugin? run in terminal sudo apt-get install flashplugin installer
[14:02] <oynmrzber> Can someone who's not at work go on the above link and tell me if it's actual shockwave, or just flash?
[14:02] <Ari-Yang> lol you need shockwave
[14:03] <Ari-Yang> adobe shockwave player needs to be installed
[14:03] <universal> !info shockwave
[14:03] <Homely_Girl> oynmrzber: That did not work, shall I copy the error?
[14:03] <oynmrzber> Homely_Girl: Yes
[14:04] <Ari-Yang> Homely_Girl, I don't think there is a shockwave player for linux...
[14:04] <Ari-Yang> http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/alternates/ take a look there, Homely_Girl
[14:04] <fidel> a simple "apt-cache search shockwave" lists some gnash-packages which might help. no personal experience with that topic
[14:05] <Homely_Girl> oynmrzber: I pasted it in paste bin now what? :)
[14:06] <oynmrzber> Homely_Girl: Now tell me the URL
[14:06] <Ari-Yang> Homely_Girl, then you'd probably run sudo apt-get install gnash
[14:06] <Ari-Yang> based on what fidel said
[14:06] <Lunar_Lamp> Homely_Girl: this might be helpful: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Shockwave
[14:07] <Homely_Girl> Thanks everyone, info overload!! lol
[14:07] <BlitzHere> universal: I don't know.  Not to mention the anti virus apps are annoying to the point that they feel like viruses themselves.
[14:07] <Ari-Yang> Homely_Girl, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnash
[14:07] <BlitzHere> Then you have the fact that every single windows system I've taken care of slowed down in a year
[14:08] <universal> BlitzHere: true...go with Dell, they have pre-installed ubuntu machines
[14:08] <ChogyDan> Homely_Girl: I think the wine route is the only one
[14:08] <BlitzHere> I'd actually pick a Mac over windows and day
[14:09] <Ari-Yang> ChogyDan, no it's not...
[14:09] <Homely_Girl> ChogyDan: I think I'll stick to my dual boot for now. ;)
[14:09] <BlitzHere> universal: yeah, thanks! I'll go to the store tomorrow and check them out
[14:09] <universal> Homely_Girl: welcome to the world of linux and ubuntu.....wait for a while and it will not be just an overload but more like information bombardment lol
[14:09] <Homely_Girl> universal: at least I know about apt-get 'n stuff! lol
[14:09] <Ari-Yang> Homely_Girl, did you check out gnash?
[14:09] <ChogyDan> Ari-Yang: gnash is flash not shockwave
[14:09] <Homely_Girl> Ari-Yang: Just installed it....
[14:09] <universal> Homely_Girl: haha
[14:10] <Ari-Yang> ah I see...
[14:10] <universal> long way to go
[14:10] <universal> BlitzHere: its infront of computer empire, I don't remember the name of the building though
[14:10] <Homely_Girl> Ari-Yang: brb, lemme try now (loves how my system doesn't need to reboot for stuff to take effect, Linux is just superior!!)
[14:11] <Homely_Girl> Ari-Yang: Thanks for trying, I'll stick with dual boot for now....I only usee xp for skype video and Adventure Elf on miniclip! :)
[14:11]  * Yu-Yu has wiped Adobe/Shockwave Flash Player out of her machines.
[14:12] <Ari-Yang> Homely_Girl, alright.
[14:12] <Homely_Girl> I prefer to do my usual surfing in Linux tho!!
[14:12] <traffiq> Can anyone help me with an issue I have with my graphics card?
[14:12] <oynmrzber> !anyone
[14:12] <Homely_Girl> Thanks oynmrzber too
[14:12] <oynmrzber> Homely_Girl: don't give up! http://askubuntu.com/questions/48140/compatible-version-of-adobe-shockwave-player
[14:12] <Homely_Girl> universal: stop trying to pic fights either lol
[14:13] <traffiq> Well can someone help?
[14:13] <oynmrzber> traffiq: it depends. Ask your question and find out
[14:13] <Ari-Yang> !details | traffiq
[14:13] <ActionParsnip> shockwave hasnt owned flash for years now
[14:13] <oynmrzber> ActionParsnip: shockwave plugin != flash plugin
[14:13] <Homely_Girl> oynmrzber: This is how ppl become Geeks 'n obsessed, not giving up 'eh!!
[14:13] <traffiq> My issue, is I cannot get my native resolution in Ubuntu. I already installed the graphics driver, too.
[14:14] <oynmrzber> !details > traffiq
[14:14] <ActionParsnip> oynmrzber: yes but shockwave used to own flash, before adobe bought i
[14:14] <genii> Shockwave relies on ActiveX in Windows
[14:14] <traffiq> !details
[14:14] <traffiq> I just said what the issue was...
[14:14] <universal> Homely_Girl: lol...no no never....I'm a peaceful human being who believes in peaceful co-existence of every living being :)
[14:14] <ActionParsnip> sorry, macromedia. They bought it in 2005
[14:14] <traffiq> "My issue, is I cannot get my native resolution in Ubuntu. I already installed the graphics driver, too."
[14:14] <oynmrzber> traffiq: What ubuntu version are you using? What graphics card do you have?
[14:14] <Yu-Yu> ;D
[14:15] <Homely_Girl> Ari-Yang: When I used to use IBM OS/2, there was a great keystroke "Ctrl Esc" and I could see a list of all programs running, anything like that in Ubuntu?
[14:15] <oynmrzber> traffiq: What did you already try?
[14:15] <traffiq> I am using 10.04, and I have the NVidia 9100 graphics card.
[14:15] <oynmrzber> Homely_Girl: the "ps" command
[14:15] <Homely_Girl> universal: and who likes to push Ari-Yang's buttons on occasion!! lol
[14:15] <traffiq> The thing I don't get, is I have never had this issue in 10.04.
[14:15] <oynmrzber> !eol | traffiq
[14:15] <Homely_Girl> oynmrzber: wtf is that???
[14:15] <ActionParsnip> traffiq: 10.04 is EOL on the desktop
[14:15] <oynmrzber> We dont support Ubuntu 10.04 any more traffiq
[14:15] <traffiq> I have no other choice to upgrade. When I upgrade, I get the same issue.
[14:15] <ActionParsnip> oynmrzber: we do, just on server