[09:13] <CIA-28> ubiquity: evand * r4356 trunk/ (debian/changelog scripts/install.py scripts/plugininstall.py): Make sure /var/lib/ubiquity/langpacks gets generated (LP: #630924).
[09:34] <CIA-28> ubiquity: evand * r4357 trunk/ubiquity/install_misc.py: Overwrite /var/lib/ubiquity/langpacks.
[10:27] <ogra> ev, ARGH !
[10:28] <ev> ?
[10:28] <ogra> ev, what did change in oem-config with the last upload, it doesnt start on the armel images anymore
[10:28] <ogra> seems it looks for an oem user
[10:28] <ev> logs please
[10:29] <ogra> i get a traceback on the screen for line 94 and 531, i cant easily get logs of that borad
[10:29] <ogra> pwd.getpwnam()
[10:30] <ogra> and it ends with a KeyError ... getpwnam(): name not found: oem
[10:30] <ev> you don't have USERNAME set in casper
[10:31] <ogra> we dont use casper
[10:31] <ogra> the images are preinstalled, we cant create a user there
[10:31] <ogra> it worked without until yesterday
[10:33] <ogra> crap
[10:33] <ev> that code hasn't changed
[10:33] <ogra>   * Run oem-config-wrapper as the user oem rather than root.
[10:33] <ogra>     - Fixes issues with pulseaudio applet not working
[10:33] <ogra>     - Prevents root terminals from ctrl-alt-t (LP: #594233)
[10:33] <ogra> there we go i guess
[10:34] <ev> ah
[10:34]  * ogra sighs
[10:34] <ogra> superm1, is there a way to not do this ? ^^^
[10:34] <ogra> we need to run as root on the preinstalled images
[10:42] <persia> Do we?  Can we not create an oem user in jasper?  Why do we need root?
[10:48] <ogra> persia, i really dont want to keep any fragments of the oem user
[10:48] <ogra> afaik that user is originally created in the aufs mounted setup
[10:48] <persia> Oh right, cleanup without layered fs would be painful.
[10:49] <ogra> ev might prove me wrong here (please !)
[10:49] <persia> Maybe oem-config-wrapper should try to run as "oem" and fall back to "root" if it fails?
[10:49] <ogra> ++
[10:49] <ogra> good idea
[10:52]  * ogra adds an oem user to test with
[10:53] <ogra> ev, hmm, the language table design seems to have changed, its only populating 2/3 of the vertical space of the window (all langs are there but i needs to scroll a lot more sideways now)
[10:55] <ogra> heh
[10:56] <ogra> the hostname ends with a hyphen for me ... <user>-
[10:56] <ogra> ah, nice, the progressbar is a lot more informative now
[10:57] <ev> ogra: hostname> can you pastebin me the output of dmidecode?
[10:58] <ogra> ev, arm board, i doubt i even have it installed ... let me see once oem-config finished (10-15min)
[10:59] <ogra> ugh, taking that back, it already finished
[10:59] <ogra> that cant be right
[11:00] <ogra> yeah, seems debconf didnt apply *anything*
[11:00] <ogra> wrong kbd and language
[11:01] <ev> ogra, persia: http://paste.ubuntu.com/494660/ - look okay?
[11:02]  * ogra hugs ev
[11:02] <ogra> awesome !
[11:02] <ogra> you rock !
[11:02] <ogra> (and it does look ok :) )
[11:02] <persia> ev, Looks clean to me.  Thanks for the quick fix even before ogra dug into it :)
[11:03] <CIA-28> ubiquity: evand * r4358 trunk/ (bin/ubiquity-dm debian/changelog):
[11:03] <CIA-28> ubiquity: Fall back to root if the regular user cannot be found in
[11:03] <CIA-28> ubiquity: ubiquity-dm.
[11:03] <ev> sure thing
[11:08] <ara> ev, good morning
[11:08] <ev> hi ara
[11:08] <ev> good morning
[11:08] <ara> ev, I started testing ISOs with 2.3.18 as part of the pairwise testing cycle I told you about
[11:08] <ev> awesome!
[11:09] <ev> anything come up so far?
[11:09] <ara> ev, after reboot, I got dropped to grub shell
[11:09] <ev> gah
[11:09] <ara> ev, bug 640341
[11:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 640341 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "After installation, I get dropped to a grub shell (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/640341
[11:09] <ara> ev, let me know if you need any other information or if you need me to rerun with -d
[11:11] <ev> sure thing
[11:11] <ev> thanks
[11:12] <ara> you're welcome
[11:16] <cjwatson> that log doesn't show it installing grub
[11:17] <ev> indeed
[11:17] <ev> in kvm trying to reproduce and dig at it now
[11:17] <ev> I suspect it's fallout from the --no-bootloader option
[11:23] <ogra> ev, verified, no dmidecode installed on armel
[11:24] <ogra> ev, hrm, and archdetect only returns armel/unknown
[11:25] <ogra> i guess thats why i dont have anything behind the hyphen ?
[11:25] <ev> ogra: found the problem
[11:25] <ev> I think
[11:26] <ogra> well, it should return /omap4 at least .... /me looks into archdetect
[11:27] <CIA-28> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1363 ubuntu/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Move to 2.6.35-22 kernels.
[11:28] <CIA-28> ubiquity: evand * r4359 trunk/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/plugins/ubi-usersetup.py): Properly handle dmimodel() returning the null string.
[11:28] <ev> ogra: ^ see if that fixes it ending in a - for you
[11:29] <ogra> will do
[11:29] <ev> if you have a chance
[11:29] <ev> thanks!
[11:29] <persia> I thought we were falling back to laptop-detect when dmidecode didn't work.
[11:30] <ev> we are
[11:30] <ev> the code was broken though
[11:30] <ev> it was testing for a null string where one never existed
[11:30] <persia> Aha!
[11:37] <ev> ARGH
[11:39] <CIA-28> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4360 ubiquity/bin/ (oem-config-remove oem-config-remove-gtk): mark executable
[11:42] <cjwatson> superm1: would you care to review Sebastian's proposed version of oem-config-remove-gtk in bug 637517?  since you wrote it to start with ...
[11:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 637517 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "oem-config-remove-gtk crashed with AttributeError in _run_transaction() (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/637517
[11:42] <CIA-28> ubiquity: evand * r4361 trunk/ (debian/changelog scripts/plugininstall.py): Fix bootloader installation test (LP: #640341).
[11:42] <ev> *sigh*
[11:42] <CIA-28> libdebian-installer: ogra * r213 libdebian-installer/ (debian/changelog src/system/subarch-arm-linux.c): add oamp4 pandaboard support
[11:43] <ogra> grr, i hate if i typo commit messages
[11:43] <persia> Trick is not to use bound branches, so you can uncommit :)
[11:44] <cjwatson> if you're uploading libd-i, please take care with the non-VCSified stuff in the source package
[11:44] <ogra> persia, i didnt push yet ... but CIA exposes the embarrasment world :)
[11:44] <ogra> err, crap i *did* push
[11:45] <ogra> cjwatson, you mean the autoreconf run ?
[11:45] <ogra> or is there anything else i'm missing
[11:46] <cjwatson> I mean that you need to debdiff carefully against the previous source package and ensure that there is only the change you made
[11:56] <ara> ev, I have seen that you found the issue with grub
[11:56] <ara> ev, anyway to recover my installation? :)
[11:56] <ev> ara: indeed, thanks for pointing that out so quickly
[11:56] <ara> would rescue mode do the trick?
[11:57] <ogra> cjwatson, ah, k
[11:58] <ev> ara: go into a live CD, mount your root partition on /mnt, bind mount sys, proc, and dev into /mnt, then run sudo chroot /mnt grub-installer /dev/sda (where /dev/sda is the disk you want to install the bootloader to the MBR of)
[11:59] <ara> thanks, will try that
[12:13] <ara> ev, is this bug going to happen to everybody? or it is only certain installations?
[12:13] <ev> ara: everyone
[12:13] <ev> I'll upload a new ubiquity shortly
[12:14] <ev> and ask if I can do a respin
[12:14] <ara> ev, OK, I will send an email to avoid people testing this one
[12:15] <ev> cool, thanks!
[12:32] <CIA-28> ubiquity: evand * r4362 trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
[12:32] <CIA-28> ubiquity: Set a the respective timezone, both internally and visually, when an
[12:32] <CIA-28> ubiquity: entry is selected from the geonames autocompletion.
[13:11] <CIA-28> libdebian-installer: ogra * r214 libdebian-installer/ (debian/changelog src/system/subarch-arm-linux.c): add support for the OMAP4 Blaze board
[13:13] <CIA-28> libdebian-installer: ogra * r215 libdebian-installer/debian/changelog: releasing version 0.76ubuntu2
[13:22] <CIA-28> ubiquity: evand * r4363 trunk/debian/changelog: LP bug reference.
[13:32] <CIA-28> ubiquity: evand * r4364 trunk/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.3.19
[13:40] <ogra> cjwatson, does that look right to you ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/494729/ i'm using a fresh maverick chroot for the autofoo but not ending up with 2010 in the copyrights seems weird
[13:46] <cjwatson> ogra: please just copy (cp -a to preserve timestamps) the files in from the previous source package
[13:46] <ogra> oh, ok
[13:46] <cjwatson> the last autotools update was done in a Debian system
[13:46] <cjwatson> so it won't match exactly, I shouldn't imagine
[13:46] <ogra> ah, that explains it
[14:05] <superm1> cjwatson, sure i'll take a look today
[14:06] <cjwatson> thanks
[14:10] <superm1> ogra, if you run oem-config as root, you're going to see some weird behaviors in the panel still
[14:10] <superm1> so it would be better if you could set up jasper to create an oem user
[14:10] <superm1> (or some other place that's appropriate)
[14:10] <ogra> superm1, well, i dont want to add users to the preinstalles FS
[14:11] <ogra> what weird behavior beyond sound would that be ?
[14:11] <ogra> (i dont mind disabling the sound applet)
[14:11] <ogra> NM seems to work fine
[14:13] <superm1> well as long as NM works fine i guess that works
[14:14] <ogra> k
[14:15] <ogra> evan already added a fallback in case oem doesnt exist
[14:15] <ogra> so we should be fine again
[14:19] <highvoltage> is there a problem with ubiquity in today's daily build that installs a system that's not bootable?
[14:19] <highvoltage> (at least, that's the problem I have on Edubuntu :) )
[14:20] <dpm> hi ev, it seems that the last ubiquity upload introduced new strings, which gives no time to translators to translate them before today's deadline. May I ask you to fetch translations later? I've filed bug 640482, it would be great if you could comment on that. Thanks!
[14:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 640482 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Please download translations for new strings after NonLanguagePackDeadline (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/640482
[14:20] <ev> dpm: yes
[14:20] <ev> I planned to send a mail out to the translation team about this
[14:20] <ev> I'm happy to upload a new ubiquity with just translations before the LanguagePackDeadline
[14:23] <smagoun> The 10.10 amd64 beta ISO doesn't boot on a Macbook Pro. Depending on how I boot "Windows" mode or EFI, I get a black screen w/ the text "Select CD-ROM Boot Type" or a kernel panic, "unable to mount root fs on unknown block". Is this expected behavior?
[14:24] <dpm> ev, cool. Yeah, if you could send that e-mail as well, that would be great
[14:24] <ev> will do
[14:26] <cjwatson> smagoun: the intention was for the EFI work not to change behaviour on Macs
[14:26] <cjwatson> smagoun: I think somebody with the hardware is going to have to debug this, though
[14:26] <cjwatson> Macs are weird and their behaviour is hard to predict remotely
[14:28] <smagoun> cjwatson: "not change behavior" = it's supposed to be broken? I haven't booted from an ISO since Jaunty or so on this machine, so I'm not sure what the expected behavior is these days.
[14:29] <smagoun> cjwatson: Is there anything I can do to help debug? The i386 install works fine, not sure if that's useful data or not
[14:30] <cjwatson> obviously it isn't supposed to be broken :)
[14:30] <CIA-28> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1364 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20100211ubuntu27
[14:30] <cjwatson> i386 doesn't have the EFI bits, deliberately
[14:30] <cjwatson> I don't know how to debug Mac booting
[14:31] <cjwatson> I know that there are some Macs that refuse to boot from multi-catalog El Torito CD-ROMs due to buggy firmware
[14:31] <cjwatson> if yours is one of those, i386 may be the only useful fallback
[14:32] <cjwatson> though that seems odd given that apparently it gives you a choice?  what level is the choice at?
[14:32] <smagoun> cjwatson: This machine is 3 years old, so certainly might fit into that category.
[14:33] <smagoun> cjwatson: Apple's firmware boot chooser gives me a couple options. From the CD I can choose "windows" or "EFI boot". The former dumps me at a prompt that I think is from the firmware, it says "Select CD-ROM boot type". The prompt is a dead-end, the machine doesn't accept input at that point.
[14:34] <cjwatson> what happens if you press 1 and enter?
[14:34] <cjwatson> from the prompt
[14:34] <smagoun> cjwatson:  The "EFI boot" option in the boot chooser gets me to a grub menu that includes "install ubuntu" and "check disc for defects". I choose 'Install Ubuntu", and a few seconds later I get a kernel panic
[14:34] <cjwatson> http://jowie.com/blog/post/2008/02/24/Select-CD-ROM-Boot-Type-prompt-while-trying-to-boot-from-Vista-x64-DVD-burnt-from-iso-file.aspx may be related
[14:35] <cjwatson> generally speaking I'm not expecting the EFI option to work on Macs, since AFAIK they're still not UEFI-compliant
[14:35] <smagoun> cjwatson: I found that, haven't tried to remaster a disc yet
[14:35] <smagoun> ok, I believe that. So I should be trying to get around the "select cd-rom..." prompt.
[14:36] <cjwatson> the article seems a bit confused and not obviously directly relevant
[14:36] <cjwatson> obviously we're not using Microsoft's boot sector
[14:36] <smagoun> agreed
[14:37] <cjwatson> it's possible isolinux has a similar problem, though
[14:39] <cjwatson> though it does seem to at least try to strip off the version
[14:40] <smagoun> cjwatson: this seems directly related, not especially promising though (bug is still 'NEW')" https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=527443
[14:41] <ubot2> bugzilla.redhat.com bug 527443 in syslinux "boot.iso does not boot with MacBook Pro 2,1 or iMac 2006 late" [Medium,New]
[14:41] <cjwatson> I suppose there's an outside chance that it might be worth trying to get the EFI option to work, although I suspect that will run into video problems later
[14:42] <smagoun> yeah - no acceleration, from what I understand. Not sure that's worth it for the user.
[14:43] <smagoun> Would be nice if there were a, "sorry, we already know this isn't going to work. Try the i386 CD" type of message from grub.
[14:43] <cjwatson> no grub
[14:43] <cjwatson> oh, for efi?  um
[14:43] <cjwatson> not sure that the amount of hacking required to do that is worth it
[14:44] <cjwatson> and I don't know exactly which models are affected
[14:44] <smagoun> agreed. I do know that newer MBP models boot fine from the amd64 ISO, so there's some cutoff of machines from within the last 3 years.
[14:44] <smagoun> sounds like a bunch of work
[14:45] <cjwatson> it might be worth trying remastering with isolinux-debug
[14:48] <smagoun> ok
[16:09] <CIA-28> ubiquity: superm1 * r4365 ubiquity/ (bin/oem-config-remove-gtk debian/changelog): Rework oem-config-gtk to use a mainloop (LP: #637517)
[16:12] <cjwatson> superm1: maybe the changelog should give credit to Sebastian?
[16:12] <superm1> cjwatson, it does
[16:12] <cjwatson> assuming you used his code, I didn't check :)
[16:12] <cjwatson> ah, ok
[16:12] <superm1> it's got his name right above at least
[16:12] <cjwatson> I assumed you used debcommit so the commit message was identical
[16:13] <cjwatson> ah, debcommit doesn't show the [ ... ] bit
[16:13] <cjwatson> ok
[16:13] <superm1> debcommit strips the [ user ] stuff
[16:13] <superm1> yeah
[16:19] <ev> oh wow, gconftool.set doesn't actually work, and probably hasn't ever
[16:20]  * ev fixes
[16:23] <CIA-28> ubiquity: evand * r4366 trunk/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/gconftool.py): Call gconftool-2 --set with --config-source.
[16:23] <superm1> i'm sure it was working before
[16:23] <superm1> you can't use a terminal in the current dailies because of it...
[16:24] <ev> perhaps it's just due to the way I'm bootstrapping ubiquity
[16:24] <ev> missing an environmental variable or something like that
[16:25] <ev> but this does seem correct
[16:26] <superm1> without config source it's supposed to just use the default path, so is there a scenario that the path that should be in use isn't the default?
[16:28] <ev> hm, not sure
[16:28] <ev> I'll play with it in a minute
[16:28] <ev> see if I can get a better answer
[16:38] <CIA-28> ubiquity: evand * r4367 trunk/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/gtk_ui.py):
[16:38] <CIA-28> ubiquity: * Better lock down the installer environment when past partitioning.
[16:38] <CIA-28> ubiquity: * Lock down the installer environment when at partitioning commit,
[16:38] <CIA-28> ubiquity:  rather than just after automatic partitioning (and not manual
[16:38] <CIA-28> ubiquity:  partitioning) (LP: #640604).
[16:50] <CIA-28> ubiquity: evand * r4368 trunk/ubiquity/frontend/gtk_ui.py: Add user switching to the list of things to disable in lockdown_environment.
[18:47] <CIA-28> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: evand * r287 ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ (debian/changelog slideshows/ubuntu/slides/link/general.css): Match the Ubuntu theme's color for the header.
[18:53] <CIA-28> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: evand * r288 ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ (5 files in 5 dirs):
[18:53] <CIA-28> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: Update forgotten translation templates. Already has a freeze
[18:53] <CIA-28> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: exception (LP: #636945).


[02:57] <xubuntu378> Hello
[02:58] <xubuntu378> I was wondering if anybody could point me towards a solution to get my wireless card working. Pretty new to Linux and need some help. Running Xubuntu on an HP ze5300
[03:03] <SonikkuAmerica> xubuntu378: Hey, welcome to Xubuntu! Do you know what your wireless card is?
[03:04] <xubuntu378> Hey Sonik. Thank you for responding. I do have it but give me a second please. Need to find where i wrote it down
[03:04]  * SonikkuAmerica is a Unity user but runs Xubuntu 12.04 LTS in a hypervisor
[03:08] <xubuntu378> it is an Agere 802.11b Mini-pci wireless card
[03:09] <SonikkuAmerica> xubuntu378: Is it the Agre ORiNOCO?
[03:10] <xubuntu378> No it isn't though i do have an old orinoco gold card that i used to use for stumbling but this one is onboard
[03:13] <SonikkuAmerica> xubuntu378: Head for Applications > Accesories > Terminal Emulator and type in [ iwconfig ] after the window shows up, then hit ENTER.
[03:14] <xubuntu378> Got it. Should i paste the results?
[03:15] <SonikkuAmerica> Sure. http://paste.ubuntu.com
[03:15] <xubuntu378> wlan0     IEEE 802.11b  ESSID:"RedBetsy"             Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.437 GHz  Access Point: 00:26:5A:FB:AF:52              Retry short limit:8              Link Quality=57/70  Signal level=-40 dBm  Noise level=-97 dBm           Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:3564  Rx invalid frag:0           Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:151   Missed beacon:0  wifi0     IEEE 802.11b  ESSID:"RedBetsy"             Mode:Managed
[03:16] <SonikkuAmerica> xubuntu378: I'm surprised that all fit on one line. It's better to use a pastebin.
[03:16] <xubuntu378> Sorry, didn't realize it was a link to click on.
[03:17] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh well. Let me see...
[03:18] <xubuntu378> The part that concerns me is the last one where it says lo   No wireless extension and Eth0 no wireless extension
[03:18] <xubuntu378> Again, thank you
[03:18] <SonikkuAmerica> OK, try [ modprobe ath_pci rfkill=0 ]
[03:18] <SonikkuAmerica> You're welcome
[03:19] <SonikkuAmerica> You may need to sudo that.
[03:20] <xubuntu378> FATAL: Module ath_pci not found.
[03:20] <xubuntu378> oh ok one second
[03:21] <xubuntu378> same error but this time it at least asked for password haha
[03:21] <SonikkuAmerica> Well, if it can't find the module the first time, becoming "root" won't make a difference.
[03:22] <SonikkuAmerica> :)
[03:22] <SonikkuAmerica> That's all sudo does.
[03:22] <SonikkuAmerica> OK, run [ lspci ]
[03:22] <xubuntu378> yeah i know but it gave me false hope
[03:24] <xubuntu378> Got one network controller from intersil and one from national semiconductor corporation
[03:25] <xubuntu378> I do have a button on this laptop that turned the wireless on and off in windows but it isn't working now. Not sure if it would automatically be on in xubuntu
[03:26] <SonikkuAmerica> Yeah... I know MiniPCI cards have a radio switch... try using it.
[03:26] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh, it didn't work.
[03:26] <SonikkuAmerica> Are you trying to connect to a WPA2 network, by any chance?
[03:27] <xubuntu378> no it didn't and i checked bios to see if i could set it on but no dice
[03:27] <xubuntu378> Yes
[03:28] <xubuntu378> any difference in connecting or does 11b not work for wpa2?
[03:28] <xubuntu378> it should work i'm pretty sure
[03:29] <SonikkuAmerica> The driver for Agere MiniPCI cards for Ubuntu doesn't support WPA2, unfortunately.
[03:29] <SonikkuAmerica> It only supports WEP and WPA(1) (it's ancient)
[03:30] <SonikkuAmerica> You might Google for ndiswrapper and see if you can find a driver with that.
[03:31] <xubuntu378> So it's a driver issue? Ok. Should i look into using a usb wireless or will it not make a difference? If i can ask, you're saying xubuntu is the issue or the driver?
[03:32] <SonikkuAmerica> A USB wireless (provided you can find a driver) should work. ndiswrapper probes to see if the Windows driver will work in Linux.
[03:33] <xubuntu378> OK sounds like i'm going to have some fun hunting it down but at least i got great answers. Thank you so much for your time and knowledge. Have a great night.
[03:33] <SonikkuAmerica> Yep! You're welcome, and welcome to Xubuntu!
[03:34] <xubuntu378> Thanks. Looking forward to making this old beast of a computer a new friend.
[03:35] <SonikkuAmerica> The hard part is breaking the ice. :)
[03:40] <n-iCe> Hello, how can I make transparent the botton bar?
[03:40] <n-iCe> bottom
[03:41] <SonikkuAmerica> It's in Panel Preferences.
[03:42] <n-iCe> solid color?
[03:42] <n-iCe> red is enabled and I don't see any liek transparency
[03:42] <SonikkuAmerica> There's a slider marked "Alpha." Try adjusting that.
[03:43] <n-iCe> solved it
[03:43] <n-iCe> alpha was disabled
[03:43] <SonikkuAmerica> Beautiful.
[03:43] <n-iCe> needed to activate in the windows manager
[03:43] <SonikkuAmerica> Take note also that some features need the xfwm4 compositor enabled as well.
[04:57] <fowlslegs> http://www.tittiesnbacon.com/
[05:02] <NateJones> Hi everyone.. I would like to stop internet traffic if I get disconnected from the VPN... I'm getting an error explained on the pastebin: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5709554/  what can I do to solve it?
[06:11] <packetfrog> Hello xubuntu people!
[06:11] <cfhowlett> packetfrog, greetings
[06:11] <packetfrog> :>
[06:36] <puff> Anyone home?
[06:37] <puff> I'm having problems with gnome network-manager.  Ubuntu 12.4 LTS running xubuntu-desktop.  I did "sudo apt-get unistall network-manager", and just used ifup/ifdown, but now I'm in a place with an AP with a hidden ESSID, so I need to use network-manager.  I tethered to my phone and did "sudo apt-get install network-manager" (which also installed network-manager-gnome).
[06:37] <puff> The network manager icon now shows up on my menubar, but I can't get it to show any wireless networks.  If I do right-click/edit connections, the networks are all there, but I can't seem to get network-manager to show them to me in such a fashion that I can say "connect to that network".l
[06:39] <cfhowlett> puff, why uninstall NM? Anyway, I'd suggest you apt-get purge- network manager then reinstall it.  reboot and see it that fixes.
[06:39] <well_laid_lawn> Wifi | puff see if these links help
[06:39] <cfhowlett> *apt-get purge
[06:40] <puff> cfhowlett: Ugh, then I lose the passwords for  a doen networks...
[06:40] <puff> well_laid_lawn:  Which links?
[06:40] <well_laid_lawn> !wifi
[06:40] <puff> Thanks.
[06:40] <well_laid_lawn> ^^ those
[06:41] <puff> cfhowlett: Why uninstall etc, is because NM was constantly causing problems, disconnecting/reconnecting.
[06:41] <puff> cfhowlett: for a brief time I was just using ifup/ifdown and had /network/interfaces set up to invoke wpa_supplicant.  WIFI was rock-solid.
[06:43] <cfhowlett> puff, understood.  Hey more people in #ubuntu.  Might want to ask over there.
[06:49] <puff> cfhowlett: Yah...
[06:50] <puff> But usually not much help over there there :-).
[06:50] <puff> cfhowlett: Did that paste on #ubuntu show up in its entirety, or was it truncated?
[06:53] <cfhowlett> puff, paste?  did not see
[07:11] <puff> Anybody know where networm-manager keeps network names, passwords, etc?
[07:18] <SunStar> /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/
[07:38] <puff> SunStar: Thanks.
[09:21] <xubuntu572> Hello, I am new to linux, and have an old laptop that I would like to install xubuntu
[09:22] <xubuntu572> does anyone have any advice for choice of installation
[09:22] <xubuntu572> since it only has 1.73ghz, 504mb ...  I think that the alternative installation cd for xubuntu
[09:23] <xubuntu572> but i can not find the alternative installation cd for xubuntu??
[09:24] <koegs> xubuntu572: there is no alternate cd for 12.10, only for 12.04
[09:25] <xubuntu572> okay, but where can I find it?
[09:26] <Myrtti> well you could try to install with the minimal image
[09:26] <Myrtti> afaik that still uses alternate, someone correct me if I'm wrong
[09:26] <koegs> http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/
[09:26] <xubuntu572> or should I try the usual?
[09:28] <cfhowlett> xubuntu572, not enough room for xubuntu ...
[09:29] <xubuntu572> I found the alternative (4.12). so I test with it.. Thanks :)
[09:29] <cfhowlett> xubuntu572, I think damn small linux or perhaps puppy linux might be better suited
[09:30] <xubuntu572> since I'm a beginner on linux so I want have a package manager that has is gui
[09:31] <cfhowlett> xubuntu572, ok, .... but 500 megs?  pretty restrictive ...
[09:32] <xubuntu572> do you know if damn small linux or puppy have  package manager  with gui
[09:32] <xubuntu572> yes it is a old old one
[09:32] <cfhowlett> xubuntu572, so, no idea
[09:34] <xubuntu572> many thanks anyway, now i have the  alt. cd so I test with it :)
[09:35] <cfhowlett> xubuntu572, best of luck
[09:35] <xubuntu572> to work ...  thanks
[10:04] <insanehits> hello!
[10:04] <insanehits> i am googling for a while and had like 5 reboots and i am still unable to change /etc/hostname to a different one
[10:04] <cfhowlett> insanehits, greetings
[10:04] <insanehits> how can i do this without GUI? something rewrites it to 'ubuntu'
[10:05] <insanehits> i was trying the networkmanager config aswell
[10:05] <insanehits> what am i doing wrong?
[10:05] <cfhowlett> insanehits, bring this to #ubuntu   much more active channel
[10:05] <insanehits> i put hostname=foobar under [keyfile] in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
[10:06] <insanehits> well in ubuntu i just edit the /etc/hosts /etc/hostname and it's done
[10:12] <Myrtti> insanehits: the latter is how it should work in xubuntu too
[10:19] <insanehits> Myrtti: but something reset to ubuntu both /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts
[10:19] <insanehits> anyways i will try from the gui maybe that helps
[12:22] <xubuntu688> Hello everybody!
[12:22] <baizon> hi
[12:23] <xubuntu688> I have just changed my video card and I am having some issues. Please, is there any good soul that wishes do do some good action in order to go straight to heaven?
[12:24] <xubuntu688> My name is Rogério, by the way. Sorry I am not using my real name.
[12:34] <cfhowlett> xubuntu688, TMI.  user name is fine
[12:34] <ncdmr> don't think there's any (written) rule that you should use your own name, on the contrary even ;)
[12:53] <Rogerio> Here I am again.
[12:53] <Rogerio> It's really odd. If I log in as guest user, everything runs just fine. But when I log with my normal user, the screen freezes...
[12:55] <knome> Rogerio, probably something wrong with your config
[12:56] <Rogerio> Surely. I have just changed my video card.
[12:57] <Rogerio> Right now I am using the live CD.
[12:58] <Rogerio> If there was a way to "reset" the video configurations to the default I think that this would do the magic...
[12:58] <GridCube> Rogerio, if running a guest session works, then you could obliterate the contents of ~/.config ?
[12:58] <GridCube> Rogerio, if your guest session works then the video settings work
[12:59] <GridCube> Rogerio, if you want to try that aproach however just delete the /ext/X11/xorg.conf file and it will reset to default
[13:00] <Rogerio> This is the odd of the odd. When I boot from HD and I choose the guest user, everything runs fine. But when I use my normal user, the screen freezes. I guess it is because I used to run with two monitors...
[13:00] <GridCube> nah
[13:00] <GridCube> unless you have a autorun xrandr script?
[13:01] <Rogerio> Yes, that's the case.
[13:05] <Rogerio> Is there a way to have the necessary permissions in order to chage thins in the system disc with the default user in Live CD?
[13:08] <Rogerio> GridCube, thanks for the help.
[13:08] <GridCube> Rogerio, i dont know where the xfce autorun are stored
[13:09] <GridCube> oh, apparently its ~/.config/autostart
[13:09] <GridCube> :P
[13:10] <GridCube> Rogerio, i would guess that navigating to that folder and deleting the xrandr script should do the trick
[13:11] <Rogerio> GridCube, thank you very much. I'll leave now, reboot and start via emergency mode as root.
[13:13] <GridCube> Rogerio, no need for that
[13:13] <GridCube> just use guest and use sudo
[13:31] <baizon> when my battery gets critical my session gets logged out. Is it possible to disable it?
[13:31] <cfhowlett> baizon, see your power settings ... or plug in
[13:36] <baizon> nope, no conf possibility to set it
[13:45] <GridCube> baizon, yes, there is
[13:46] <baizon> GridCube: any ideas where / how ?
[13:53] <GridCube> baizon, http://imagebin.org/254117  go to power settings, go to "with battery" the firs option its "when charge its critical"
[13:53] <baizon> hmm
[13:53] <baizon> ok i didnt had that option
[13:54] <baizon> because no battery present :>
[13:54] <baizon> thanks
[13:54] <GridCube> silly baizon
[13:54] <baizon> indeed :D
[14:15] <Peyam> hi
[14:15] <SonikkuAmerica> Yo
[14:15] <Peyam> sup dawg?
[14:15] <SonikkuAmerica> all good, u?
[14:15] <SonikkuAmerica> !u
[14:16] <Peyam> !good
[14:17] <lderan> !superExtremeAwesomeness
[14:17] <lderan> aww
[14:17] <Peyam> !gay
[14:17] <Myrtti> that's nice, did you actually have a support question?
[14:17] <Myrtti> instead of playing with the bot?
[14:18] <Peyam> :D
[14:18] <SonikkuAmerica> (I was kind of hoping. "Yo" is my usual greeting.)
[14:18] <Peyam> Me too
[14:19] <Peyam> I use "sup daawg?"
[14:19] <SonikkuAmerica> ... that you had a support question.
[14:19] <Peyam> no! I want to say hello to you guys
[14:20] <GridCube> :) thats very nice guys, but please could you keep random chatting to #xubuntu-offtopic
[14:20] <GridCube> :)
[14:20] <Peyam> okej
[14:53] <xubuntu017> `
[15:22] <gordienkoff> hi all
[15:22] <gordienkoff> всем привет
[15:25] <GridCube> !ru
[15:27] <baizon> GridCube: hes already gone :)
[15:27] <GridCube> oh
[15:27] <GridCube> i have part/join hidden
[15:59] <ron-slc> Hello all.  I'm attempting to run Xubuntu 12.10  over vnc4server; and when connection via VNC Many menu-icons are grey/empty icons.  Both in the pager, and in the xfce-menu.  Is there a known solution?
[16:00] <ron-slc> Using Settings -> Appearance -> Icons ; and changing icon themes has zero effect.  Also, one google search suggested Tango icon theme, also no effect.
[16:03] <ron-slc> The window decorations also look quite minimal.  as well as the pager bar.    When I log into the actual system console .  all is well.
[16:13] <anti_> hi guys
[16:14] <anti_> im looking for some help
[16:14] <lderan> hi anti_
[16:14] <GridCube> !ask | anti_
[16:15] <Aiena> Can you please tell me which version of xgce does xubuntu 12.0.4 use ?
[16:15] <Aiena> *xfce
[16:15] <GridCube> 12.04? xfce 4.8
[16:15] <anti_> ive just installed a clean copy off xubuntu but every time i try and boot i get stuck on booting screen
[16:16] <GridCube> anti_, is this a new computer? and by new i mean recently manufactured?
[16:16] <Aiena> GridCube thanks !! I wanted the LTS version for an old desktop thats why
[16:16] <anti_> no this is an old pc made back in 2004
[16:16] <GridCube> ok
[16:16] <Aiena> anti_ did you use the 32 bit version
[16:17] <anti_> i did
[16:17] <Aiena> ok
[16:17] <GridCube> anti_, do you still have the installation media?
[16:17] <anti_> i used 12.10 32bit and the 12.04 32bit and same problem
[16:18] <GridCube> can you boot into the livecd?
[16:18] <anti_> you mean the dvd ?
[16:18] <anti_> sorry yeah i do
[16:18] <anti_> and can boot it
[16:18] <GridCube> anti_, try this then https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[16:20] <anti_> okay thx i will give this a shot
[16:22] <Aiena> GridCube do you have the link for creating a liveusb ?
[16:22] <GridCube> !unetbootin
[16:23] <GridCube> i basically just use unetbootin and choose an iso and its done
[16:24] <anti_> it failed on fallback graphics devices last time
[16:24] <Aiena> ubottu do I have to extract all the xubuntu files in the iso into the pen drive
[16:24] <Aiena> very fubby
[16:24] <Aiena> *funny
[16:24] <Aiena> Hmmm
[16:25] <TheSheep> it's the truth
[16:25] <Aiena> Yes seems like it
[16:25] <Aiena> but first time I'm seeing a bot on IRC  this active
[16:25] <Aiena> its odd
[16:25] <Aiena> an unusual experience
[16:25] <TheSheep> ubottu is a bot, but the links it gave contain all the info you need
[16:26] <TheSheep> well, it reacts to triggers
[16:26] <Aiena> TheSheep yeah !! Followed ubott_u again responded
[16:26] <Aiena> to its name
[16:26] <Aiena> which is the trigger
[16:26] <Aiena> Ok
[16:26] <lderan> handy for support if url changes, you only know the trigger
[16:26] <Aiena> It was hard to beleive intially
[16:26] <lderan> need to ^ gah
[16:26] <Aiena> :)
[16:27] <Aiena> TheSheep for a liveusb boot do I have to extract the iso into the pen drive ?
[16:28] <TheSheep> no, read the link
[16:28] <lderan> Aiena, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick this page shows you how per operating system
[16:31] <anti_> hi guys i did that and now got failed to open uri "file:///mnt/boot-sav/wubi2/home
[16:31] <Aiena> Thanks
[16:32] <bazhang> anti_, where did you mention before this was a wubi install
[16:33] <GridCube> Aiena, you dont need to uncompress the iso
[16:33] <Aiena> yes seems so
[16:33] <Aiena> there is a linux media creator for windows
[16:33] <GridCube> oh... anti_
[16:33] <Aiena> which does ot for you
[16:33] <GridCube> you are using wubi anti_
[16:33] <GridCube> :(
[16:33] <anti_> sorry it was but i also tried it though live usb
[16:33] <GridCube> why are you using wubi
[16:33] <bazhang> !wubi | anti_ here's the guide
[16:34] <GridCube> wubi should die already
[16:34] <anti_> ive tried it so meny diffent ways
[16:34] <Aiena> anti it wont work
[16:34] <bazhang> anti_, in future, you need to mention that
[16:35] <anti_> sorry
[16:35] <anti_> okay so how can i fix this
[16:35] <GridCube> anti_, i would recommend a clean install, real, no wubi, if you already have backed up information
[16:36] <anti_> okay
[16:36] <bazhang> anti_, the wubi? check the guide. a real dual boot?
[16:36] <GridCube> probably use the nomodeset on your boot stage too
[16:37] <anti_> okay so can i wipe my os form the live usb i made
[16:37] <GridCube> if you are confortable with that, sure
[16:38] <anti_> sorry if i making this hard for you guys my using my phone and its not great for reading guides
[16:38] <GridCube> :) no problem
[16:43] <anti_> okay ive deleted all os and gunna made a new partition=
[16:43] <bazhang> wubi never used a partition
[16:43] <GridCube> :) you should just let the installer do it automagically for you
[16:44] <anti_> okay thx
[16:45] <anti_> i had 4 os on this system so i think it was for the best it had a clean set up
[16:46] <yurij> Hello. A quick question here: Is it possible to upgrade from 12.10 to 13.xx beta release without reinstalling from iso?
[16:46] <bazhang> sure
[16:47] <GridCube> sure, but why not wait to release
[16:47] <yurij> Sweet. How do I do it? Just select to use quantal-proposed or what?
[16:48] <bazhang> you will be prompted once it's released
[16:48] <GridCube> on your source settings theres update options
[16:48] <yurij> I want to contribute to this awesome ubuntu distro :)
[16:48] <yurij> heard beta testing and bug reports are welcome
[16:48] <GridCube> yes very much
[16:48] <bazhang> #ubuntu+1 for that
[16:49] <GridCube> true, #ubuntu+1 for support tho, :D and #xubuntu-devel
[16:51] <yurij> Um... So this is not the right place to ask such questions?
[16:58] <anti_> okay now installed and wirking i guess as a get to the login screen
[16:59] <Aiena> GridCube will xbuntu on a livecd run without a net connection ?
[16:59] <GridCube> yes
[17:00] <Aiena> Ok cool
[17:00] <Aiena> Becasue the antiquity on which I am planning to experiment with xubuntu does not have an internet connection
[17:01] <anti_> maybe not as now im stuck at login screen
[17:02] <Aiena> GridCube can I downlaod an application like krita on windows and then store it and install it on xubuntu
[17:02] <Aiena> or do I have to use the sudo command which I have read of but never used
[17:02] <Aiena> this is the first time I am trying linux
[17:03] <anti_> second time ive used ubuntu before but never xubuntu
[17:03] <lderan> yup you can download programs on computer, they will be more then likely be .deb files
[17:03] <GridCube> !apt-offline | Aiena
[17:04] <GridCube> !offline | Aiena
[17:05] <GridCube> Aiena, sudo its a command that changes the user executing a program, in the case of ubuntu its used to force the system to work as root, root its the superuser of the *nixverse
[17:05] <Aiena> GridCube yes offline
[17:05] <GridCube> it can do everything, from formatting to deleting all files, to moving stuffs and what not
[17:06] <Aiena> the host machine on which I am planning to install xubuntu does not have an internet connection on it
[17:06] <GridCube> dont ever use sudo if you are not sure of what you are doing
[17:06] <Aiena> suppose I want to download krita on my main windows machine
[17:06] <GridCube> Aiena, apt-offline its your best option then
[17:08] <anti_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5710893
[17:10] <GridCube> anti_, you cant boot still?
[17:10] <Aiena> GridCube can you run me througgh the procedure of installing krita for instance on xubuntu assuming that I will be downloading the apt on a windows machine with an internet connection but running it on an older machine without one
[17:11] <anti_> nope got to login screen froze then rebooted
[17:12] <anti_> now stuck at boot screen
[17:13] <anti_> just done boot repair and still nothing
[17:14] <anti_> it works great without installing it and just runnin it off live usb
[17:14] <anti_> i want to install it
[17:15] <Aiena> anti_ did you try completely fprmatting your hard disk
[17:15] <Aiena> *formatting
[17:15] <Aiena> maybe that might help
[17:15] <Aiena> not sure
[17:15] <GridCube> Aiena, get the live session running, on a cd/usb/anything, open synaptic, if its not there install it from the ubuntu software center, then update and find the packages you want to intall, for exampple krita, then go to >File >generate package download script. that will generate a downloader script
[17:15] <anti_> yes
[17:16] <Aiena> GridCube ok after generating the download script
[17:16] <GridCube> Aiena, run that script from a terminal ./nameofthescript
[17:16] <GridCube> and it will download all the packages to the place where the script its at
[17:16] <anti_> i deleted a partition and formatted hard drive then installed xubuntu
[17:16] <Aiena> GridCube can i run it from the windows terminal ?
[17:17] <Aiena> the internet connected machine is a windows os one
[17:17] <anti_> all partitions
[17:17] <GridCube> if you have wget on windows, sure
[17:17] <GridCube> but you can do that on the live session
[17:17] <GridCube> on the windows machine connected to the interwebs
[17:17] <Aiena> hmm can you elaborate
[17:18] <Aiena> you are very resourceful
[17:18] <GridCube> i already told you
[17:18] <Aiena> one sec I will try booting from my live usb
[17:18] <Aiena> on my windows machine
[17:18] <Aiena> hope all things work well because this is a laptop
[17:18] <anti_> GridCube what should i do now ?
[17:19] <GridCube> anti_, try to edit your grub start using "e" and add the nomodeset option
[17:19] <GridCube> i wonder
[17:19] <GridCube> !nomodeset
[17:19] <GridCube> anti_, ^
[17:19] <anti_> yes
[17:22] <anti_> okay how do i do this ive pushed e at start and got a box up to set params
[17:22] <GridCube> press a space and add nomodeset
[17:23] <GridCube> i think thats that
[17:23] <GridCube> if you can get to the livecd you should be able to get to the installed
[17:23] <anti_> i can load the live usb
[17:24] <GridCube> yes
[17:24] <GridCube> well, anti_ where it says stuff like "quiet splash" add a "nomodeset", no "
[17:24] <anti_> every time i push space it moves one space is that correct
[17:26] <anti_> after this is done do i pust f10 to boot
[17:27] <GridCube> it should tell you there somewhere what to do
[17:27] <GridCube> in the screen
[17:28] <GridCube> ctrl-x i think it said, but im not sure
[17:28] <anti_> do i copy it the the way you done it or without the quotes
[17:29] <GridCube> no quotes
[17:29] <GridCube> just add nomodeset after splash
[17:29] <anti_> okay
[17:30] <anti_> okay i hvae xbuntu 12.04 and 4 dots under it
[17:31] <GridCube> thats the splash :3
[17:31] <anti_> but no sign off it working
[17:31] <GridCube> press alt-f1 and you should see leters and numbers
[17:32] <anti_> nope frozen
[17:32] <GridCube> well, this is an advance isnt it?
[17:33] <GridCube> you could try next with acpi=off
[17:33] <GridCube> maybe both?
[17:33] <anti_> okay
[17:33] <GridCube> dunno
[17:33] <anti_> same place
[17:33] <GridCube> i would let ti go trhough tho, wait a while to see if it boots with nomodeset
[17:34] <anti_> okay
[17:34] <GridCube> anti_, yes, acpi=off should go to the same place
[17:34] <anti_> with nonodeset
[17:35] <GridCube> one after the other with spaces separating them
[17:35] <GridCube> the order is irrelevant
[17:35] <anti_> okay
[17:35] <anti_> so
[17:36] <Aiena> GridCube I sucvcessfully booted xubuntu from my pe3ndrive as a live cd on my windows pc with an internet connection cool
[17:36] <anti_> quiet splash nonodeset acpi=off
[17:36] <GridCube> anti_, sure try that
[17:36] <GridCube> Aiena, get the live session running, on a cd/usb/anything, open synaptic, if its not there install it from the ubuntu software center, then update and find the packages you want to intall, for exampple krita, then go to >File >generate package download script. that will generate a downloader script
[17:37] <GridCube> Aiena, run that script from a terminal ./nameofthescript
[17:37] <Aiena> synaptic is intalled fortunately
[17:38] <Aiena> GridCube, I am running it from the machine using an internet connection
[17:38] <Aiena> and I have a persistent usb stick
[17:38] <GridCube> yes, i read you already :)
[17:38] <Aiena> so I can install linux directly right
[17:38] <anti_> okay i will leave it alittle bit see if it boots
[17:38] <GridCube> sure, i guess, i've never done that tho
[17:38] <Aiena> onto the persistent bit of stick
[17:38] <GridCube> anti_, good luck
[17:39] <GridCube> Aiena, sure, i would guess so, yes
[17:39] <GridCube> i dont see why not
[17:39] <Aiena> ok so i marked krita for installation on synaptics
[17:39] <Aiena> then
[17:39] <GridCube> now go to file, save download script
[17:40] <Aiena> if I click apply will it install krita onto the live usb ?
[17:40] <GridCube> it will ask you for a place to save the script, i suggest creating a folder named offline-krita
[17:40] <GridCube> and saving the script there
[17:40] <GridCube> Aiena, yes,
[17:40] <GridCube> but you dont want that now
[17:40] <Aiena> hmm if it installs to the persistant portion of the usb stick
[17:41] <GridCube> you are in a live session yet
[17:41] <Aiena> then the persistent portion will load onto the other machine too right
[17:41] <Aiena> how do i know where is synaptics installing the files ?
[17:41] <GridCube> the files are going to be there
[17:41] <GridCube> you are creating a script, wherever you place the script is whereever the installer files will go
[17:42] <Aiena> ok lets rewind a bit
[17:42] <anti_> okay no boot after 5 mins
[17:42] <GridCube> you are not "installing" if you are downloading the files
[17:42] <Aiena> in synaptcs
[17:42] <Aiena> *synapitcics I have chosen krita
[17:42] <GridCube> you are just downloading the .deb files to install it later on an offline machine
[17:42] <GridCube> anti_, :( too bad
[17:42] <Aiena> ok
[17:43] <Aiena> GridCube, File-> generate package download script
[17:43] <anti_> ummm is there anythink else i can do to get it to work
[17:43] <GridCube> sorry bro i dont know how else to help you, you might have to wait for someone smarter or ask on #grub
[17:43] <Aiena> os that the next step
[17:43] <anti_> okai but thx anyway
[17:44] <Aiena> *is that the next...
[17:44] <anti_> does grub have irc
[17:44] <GridCube> Aiena, yes, save the script to a folder, the persistent folder ofcourse, so when you unplug the usb it stills there
[17:44] <GridCube> anti_, yes, #grub
[17:45] <GridCube> anti_, you paste them the boot-repair link too http://paste.ubuntu.com/5710893
[17:45] <anti_> okayy
[17:45] <GridCube> :)
[17:45] <GridCube> good luck
[17:46] <GridCube> Aiena, once you have the script saved to the destiny folder open a terminal
[17:46] <Aiena> GridCube, the odd thing is that it failed to load the 1 gb partition
[17:46] <Aiena> though it is listed
[17:46] <GridCube> :(
[17:47] <Aiena> should I reboot
[17:47] <GridCube> no
[17:47] <GridCube> there should be the windows partition in the desktop
[17:47] <Aiena> What is the issue
[17:47] <GridCube> save the files there
[17:47] <Aiena> yes the windows partition is there
[17:47] <GridCube> Aiena, i dont know
[17:47] <Aiena> and d: drive is there
[17:47] <Aiena> maybe the non windows partition is safer
[17:47] <GridCube> Aiena, keep in mind that you are downloading the equivalent to windows "setup.exe" files
[17:48] <GridCube> so i doesnt matter where they are, you are going to use them to install later
[17:48] <Aiena> OK thanks :)
[17:49] <anti_> how can i get to there irc
[17:50] <Aiena> GridCube, it geberated the script
[17:50] <Aiena> and I have saved it in the d: drive
[17:50] <GridCube> anti_, /join #grub
[17:51] <GridCube> Aiena, good, it would be better if you move it to a folder to have control of what its there and should be there
[17:51] <anti_> is tht what i have to type in the chat box
[17:51] <GridCube> like i said make a folder named "krita"
[17:51] <GridCube> anti_, yes
[17:51] <Aiena> anti_, yes
[17:52] <Aiena> or "/j #grub"
[17:52] <Aiena> without the quotes
[17:52] <Aiena> GridCube, I am in a folder called " xubuntu apps"  with just the script in it
[17:53] <GridCube> :)
[17:53] <Aiena> so i create a floder called krita inside it
[17:53] <Aiena> and should i move the script insde there
[17:53] <GridCube> perfect. now right click on an empty space in that folder and choose "open terminal here"
[17:53] <GridCube> if you want the files to download tehre, yes
[17:53] <GridCube> the files will download to what ever dir the script its at
[17:53] <Aiena> GridCube, the script has to be moved into the krita folder right
[17:54] <GridCube> if you want the files to download tehre, yes
[17:54] <Aiena> ok chosen open terminal here
[17:54] <GridCube> the files will download to what ever dir the script its at
[17:54] <Aiena> ok thanks
[17:54] <Aiena> I want it there
[17:54] <Aiena> I have opened the terminal
[17:54] <GridCube> Aiena, so now you type ./nameofthescript
[17:55] <Aiena> ok any script extension
[17:55] <GridCube> if you gave it one
[17:55] <Aiena> ok I did not
[17:55] <GridCube> you could have named it .sh,  but thats just a convention
[17:55] <Aiena> its says ./krita permission denied
[17:55] <GridCube> do sudo ./krita
[17:55] <Aiena> krita is the name of the script
[17:56] <GridCube> yes, i figured that :)
[17:56] <Aiena> so ehrn i ran
[17:56] <Aiena> is it not in admin
[17:56] <GridCube> what?
[17:56] <Aiena> why is it saying permission denied
[17:56] <Aiena> bash: ./krita: Permission denied
[17:57] <Aiena> error is appearing
[17:57] <GridCube> with sudo?
[17:57] <Aiena> no sudi
[17:57] <GridCube> sudo ./krita
[17:57] <Aiena> *sudo
[17:57] <Aiena> ok will try
[17:58] <GridCube> :) its working?
[17:58] <Aiena> sudo: ./krita.sh: command not found
[17:58] <Aiena> very weird
[17:58] <Aiena> the script is called krita.sh
[17:58] <Aiena> i renamed it
[17:58] <Aiena> sudo
[17:59] <GridCube> what...
[17:59] <GridCube> :/
[17:59] <SonikkuAmerica> Aiena: You are cd'd to the directory it's in right?
[17:59] <Aiena> I opened the terminal in that directory
[17:59] <Aiena> with the scroipt
[17:59] <GridCube> he opened the terminal on that dir from thunar
[17:59] <Aiena> does it matter if it is running live
[17:59] <Aiena> instead of installed
[17:59] <GridCube> no
[17:59] <GridCube> it should not
[17:59] <GridCube> Aiena, do a ls
[18:00] <Aiena> ls
[18:00] <GridCube> and see if the krita.sh its there
[18:00] <Aiena> listed krita.sh
[18:00] <well_laid_lawn> try using sh krita.sh
[18:00] <GridCube> ok do chmod +x krita.sh
[18:01] <Aiena> i typed " chmod +x krita.sh"  it executed the command successfully but quietly
[18:01] <Aiena> opening another terminal line
[18:02] <Aiena> i typed "chmod +x krita.sh"  it executed the command successfully but quietly
[18:02] <Aiena> "chmod +x krita.sh"
[18:02] <well_laid_lawn> how many times did you chmod it?
[18:02] <Aiena> then
[18:03] <Aiena> one time only
[18:03] <Aiena> well_laid_lawn,
[18:03] <well_laid_lawn> k
[18:03] <well_laid_lawn> ;)
[18:03] <Aiena> so now the shell reads like this
[18:03] <Aiena> xubuntu@xubuntu:/media/Data/xubuntu apps/Krita$ chmod +x krita.sh
[18:03] <Aiena> xubuntu@xubuntu:/media/Data/xubuntu apps/Krita$
[18:03] <GridCube> yes
[18:03] <GridCube> now run ./krita.sh
[18:04] <Aiena> what does chmod do ?
[18:04] <Aiena> xubuntu@xubuntu:/media/Data/xubuntu apps/Krita$ ./krita.sh
[18:04] <GridCube> change the mode of the file, in this case you give it x that its eXecutable
[18:04] <Aiena> bash: ./krita.sh: Permission denied
[18:04] <GridCube> frell
[18:05] <GridCube> why its failing...
[18:05] <GridCube> try this move the script to a livecd folder, to the desktop for example
[18:05] <Aiena> ok
[18:05] <GridCube> and run it from there
[18:06] <Aiena> ok after chmodding the file on desktop it is running
[18:07] <GridCube> :)
[18:07] <GridCube> great :D
[18:07] <Aiena> and downloading a truckload of stuff
[18:07] <GridCube> yes, krita should pull like 1/3 of kde
[18:07] <Aiena> hence creating a messy desktop
[18:07] <Aiena> but no issues
[18:08] <GridCube> Aiena, thats irrelevant XD the directory its just ~/Desktop so you will be fine
[18:08] <anti_> theres no awnser in #grub
[18:08] <Aiena> GridCube, do you think stuff kept on the desktop will be persistent >?
[18:08] <GridCube> :D when it ends copy the files to other media Aiena
[18:08] <GridCube> no
[18:08] <Aiena> ok
[18:09] <GridCube> its a live session, this will go away on a reboot, save the files to a persistent dir, maybe the script didnt work, but a copy paste should
[18:09] <Aiena> GridCube, once I have safely copied all the files into a location on my hardisk
[18:09] <GridCube> anti_, sorry :(
[18:09] <Aiena> can i trial krita from my live distro ?
[18:09] <anti_> its okay
[18:09] <GridCube> sure, why not
[18:09] <GridCube> Aiena, after saving the files you can try using them to install krita itself
[18:10] <GridCube> and not redownloading the files :P
[18:10] <Aiena> I will but one step at a time
[18:10] <Aiena> I am totally new to linux as a whole
[18:10] <GridCube> :) you are doing well
[18:10] <Aiena> so don;t want to go too forward and forget stuff
[18:10] <Aiena> I am used to the commandf line in windows but linux has a different system
[18:11] <Aiena> what do I do if my destop is overflooded with files
[18:11] <Aiena> in this case its overrun the desktop space
[18:11] <Aiena> should have put the krita.sh in a folder in the desktop
[18:14] <Aiena> GridCube, found a solution
[18:14] <Aiena> no wirries :P
[18:14] <Aiena> *worries
[18:14] <GridCube> :)
[18:14] <Aiena> GridCube, is there anyway of knowing how much space a program in linux will take prior to downloading it ?
[18:15] <GridCube> apt-cache showpkg progam
[18:16] <Aiena> hmm how does that work and where to use it ?
[18:17] <GridCube> Aiena, terminal, type it
[18:17] <Aiena> one sec let it finish downloading krita
[18:17] <Aiena> its pretty cool :)
[18:17] <GridCube> but thats not it, it would just show you the package and its dependecies,
[18:17] <GridCube> Aiena, that wont mix with the download tho
[18:18] <Aiena> ok opened another terminal window
[18:18] <GridCube> well i found a way
[18:18] <GridCube> type sudo apt-get install krita
[18:18] <Aiena> yup it showed the dependencies
[18:18] <GridCube> and it will tell you, and ask you if you want to install, say no
[18:19] <Aiena> now its downloading a big deb fiel which is the main krita installer I think
[18:20] <Aiena> ok it failed because the other terminal was busy downloading krita
[18:20] <GridCube> oh?
[18:21] <Aiena> GridCube, Ok
[18:22] <Aiena> downloaded fully
[18:22] <Aiena> now will  uae your command in terminal
[18:22] <Aiena> ubuntu@xubuntu:~/Desktop$ sudo apt-get install krita
[18:22] <Aiena> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[18:22] <Aiena> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[18:22] <Aiena> anyways
[18:22] <Aiena> ok
[18:23] <Aiena> GridCube, now that I have all the krita files
[18:23] <Aiena> in a directory
[18:23] <Aiena> on my main hard disk
[18:23] <Aiena> what do I do
[18:23] <GridCube> Aiena, oh, no, it failed because you had synaptic open, not because it was downloading files P:
[18:23] <GridCube> Aiena, well now you can do this,
[18:24] <Aiena> GridCube, should I close synaptics ?
[18:24] <GridCube> no
[18:24] <Aiena> ok
[18:24] <Aiena> what is the next step ?
[18:24] <Aiena> to test krita on the livecd
[18:25] <GridCube> on synaptic go to >File >"load downloaded packages" or however it says in english
[18:25] <Aiena> ok
[18:25] <Aiena> now I selected the directory in which all the krita  debs are stored
[18:25] <GridCube> good
[18:26] <Aiena> then
[18:26] <Aiena> select open
[18:26] <Aiena> ok now its asking to apply the following changes
[18:27] <Aiena> "synaptics" is asking
[18:27] <GridCube> yes
[18:27] <GridCube> you should apply
[18:27] <Aiena> ok applying
[18:27] <Aiena> hmm weird
[18:27] <Aiena> its is again dowloading the package files
[18:27] <GridCube> it is?
[18:27] <Aiena> yes
[18:27] <GridCube> or its just installing?
[18:27] <Aiena> weird
[18:28] <GridCube> maybe its "fake downloading" form the source dir to the /tmp/ install dir?
[18:28] <GridCube> i dunno
[18:28] <Aiena> maybe
[18:28] <Aiena> but it does not look like it
[18:28] <GridCube> mmm
[18:28] <Aiena> because download speeds are network rate
[18:29] <Aiena> when it is only 81 mb
[18:29] <GridCube> i dont know, at least you have the files and in the worst case you can install them manually
[18:29] <Aiena> yes
[18:29] <Aiena> well see
[18:29] <GridCube> :) good lucks
[18:29] <GridCube> i have to go now
[18:29] <Aiena> ok thank you
[18:29] <Aiena> GridCube,
[18:29] <GridCube> :)
[18:30] <ron-slc> Does anybody know why icons are missing in Menu, and Thunar when using VNC in XFCE/Xubuntu ?
[18:30] <GridCube> maybe you dont have permissions to read the icons directory?
[18:31] <Aiena> GridCube, its is actually downloading :P
[18:31] <Aiena> lol
[18:31] <koegs> ron-slc: i suggest using x11vnc, no problems at all using x11vnc as the server
[18:31] <Aiena> anyways
[18:31] <ron-slc> Well when logging in to terminal icons are all there and fine.  But when connecting to system with VNC 90% look blank.
[18:31] <ron-slc> Koegs: Hmm i'll give that a shot
[18:34] <anti__> hi guys i still have that problem and seems that its not a grub problem so im asking if anyone has any new idea on how to fix this
[18:35] <ron-slc> koegs: well!  Much improved!   Is vnc4server now out of maintenance and broken or something?
[18:36] <GNUtoo-m4a785t-m> anti__, hi, you forgott to pastebin what I asked you to pastebin
[18:36] <anti__> sorry
[18:36] <koegs> ron-slc: i dont know, never used it
[18:37] <GNUtoo-m4a785t-m> like *Stopping system v initialisation compatibility
[18:37] <GNUtoo-m4a785t-m> and such
[18:37] <anti__> what was imeant to pastebin
[18:37] <anti__> sorry
[18:37] <GNUtoo-m4a785t-m> all the black screen content
[18:37] <anti__> brb
[18:37] <GNUtoo-m4a785t-m> specially the end of it
[18:38] <anti__> brb just doing tea then i will give all details
[18:49] <anti__> okay guys i press esc while booting xubuntu and got a black screen with text movin down the screen nowit stopped after saned disabled ; edit ect/default/saned
[18:51] <anti__> but before that line i got stopping sysem v initialisation compatibility
[18:52] <anti__> is there anyone willing to help with this problem
[18:54] <GNUtoo-m4a785t-m> I don't know well xubuntu but you could give more lines maybe
[18:55] <GNUtoo-m4a785t-m> or maybe someone could suggest how to enable verbose mode in upstart?
[18:57] <anti__> ill take a picture and uploadit for youguys
[19:32] <xubuntu142> hey guys im reinstalling xunbutu right now is it normal for the "restoreing oldpackeages" bit to take ages?
[20:03] <SonikkuAmerica> Does Ubuntu Studio follow the LTS plan for Xubuntu, or does it have its own LTS plan?
[20:03] <SonikkuAmerica> Also, is there a plan to reinstate the messaging menu in Xubuntu?
[20:04] <SonikkuAmerica> xubuntu142: Depends.
[20:04] <SonikkuAmerica> !ping
[20:12] <SonikkuAmerica> Hello?
[20:19] <David-A> SonikkuAmerica: a f a i k, Ubuntu Studio is a Ubuntu derivative, not specifically an Xubuntu derivative.
[20:20] <SonikkuAmerica> OK
[20:20] <SonikkuAmerica> Since 11.04 it uses XFCE and GTK+ apps much like Xubuntu does, however
[20:22] <David-A> SonikkuAmerica: http://ubuntustudio.org/tour/ says there is a LTS every 2nd year, so I guess it's the same as for Ubuntu
[20:22] <SonikkuAmerica> Probably a good guess then.
[20:39] <SonikkuAmerica> So does that mean 15.04 is the next Xubuntu LTS?
[20:48] <antisober552> hi guys i can n0w log in but about5 mins after being logged in my pc freezes is there any fix for this
[21:06] <Peyam> Am I the only one who says "khubuntu"
[21:08] <antisober552> hi guys
[21:08] <Peyam> Hi
[21:18] <SonikkuAmerica> Peyam: Probably... I say "eck-soo-boon-too"
[21:18] <SonikkuAmerica> because "khubuntu" sounds like Kubuntu
[21:18] <Peyam> no
[21:19] <TheSheep> zoobuntu
[21:20] <Peyam> yes
[21:20] <Peyam> I used to say khubuntu
[21:20] <Peyam> kh like in julio 'mexixan jjjj"
[21:22] <David-A> I belive x in the beginning of a word is pronounced different in different cultures and language traditions.
[21:22] <Peyam> David-A: yes
[21:23] <Peyam> I pronounce x lije in 'skellefteå' or like in 'skärholmen'
[21:23] <Peyam> like*
[21:23] <David-A> I would say there is no wrong way (until I saw Peyam's "Me[sch]ico" analogy) :)
[21:23] <Peyam> (y)
[21:26] <Anarchic> hey ppl...i'm trying to setup a microserver running xubuntu. it appears that the OS fails to boot when there is no monitor connected
[21:27] <Anarchic> i think i've found a solution
[21:29] <Shirakawasuna> I say xubuntu as 'x-ubuntu'
[21:29] <Shirakawasuna> is it supposed to be zoobuntu?
[21:30] <Peyam> yes it is zobonto
[21:30] <Shirakawasuna> oh noes
[21:30] <Shirakawasuna> gotta fix what I say then
[21:34] <xubuntu779> Per vedere questa pagina assicurati di avere Adobe Flash Player alla versione 11.3 o superiore installato. come risolvo???
[21:36] <Shirakawasuna> xubuntu779: adobe flash > 11.2 is not supported for all linux browsers. You have to use google chrome (sadly).
[21:39] <xubuntu779> thank you, but the first attempt went off all (Massimo)
[21:42] <aiena> For flash in xubuntu which version do we install ?
[21:42] <aiena> the ubuntu 10.4 version ?
[21:44] <Peyam> flash?
[21:44] <Peyam> flash player?
[21:45] <aiena> peyam yup flash player
[21:48] <David-A> aiena: the package "flashplugin-installer" in software center and synaptic should install the latest available flash player.
[21:51] <aiena> thanks
[21:51] <aiena> Bye
[21:51] <aiena> cya
[21:53] <anti_> hi guys i have a problem
[21:54] <anti_> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13: Permission denied) E: Unable to lock directory /var/lib/apt/lists/ E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[21:54] <anti_> can someone help me fix this
[21:54] <bekks> anti_: Did you run your command using sudo?
[21:55] <anti_> yes i get the same
[21:55] <anti_> its when i try to install an tool
[21:56] <bekks> Sowhioch command do you run exactly?
[21:56] <bekks> *So which
[21:57] <anti_> sudo apt-get -f -y install && apt-get -y install m4 automake autoconf make gcc libtool
[21:57] <bekks> there is sudo missing before the second apt-get
[21:57] <anti_> oh damn thanks
[21:59] <anti_> well that fied my problem lol
[21:59] <anti_> ive managed to get xubuntu to work on my pc
[22:00] <anti_> could you help me with this problem
[22:01] <anti_> ./start.sh: line 9: php: command not found
[22:01] <bekks> You have to install the php cli :)
[22:01] <anti_> no
[22:01] <bekks> Yes
[22:02] <bekks> Without installing the php cli you cant run the php cli.
[22:02] <anti_> i need to install php cli
[22:02] <anti_> so whats the package name
[22:03] <anti_> cause i can do it this way cant i sudo apt-get install phpcli
[22:03] <bekks> php5-cli is the package name.
[23:49] <JainAmber> Hello
[23:50] <JainAmber> I'm using Xubuntu 12.04.2. I have removed the panel/dock located at the bottom of the screen. Now I'll like to move the panel (at the top of the screen) to the bottom... How can I do so?
[23:50] <JainAmber> I want the top panel to appear at the bottom of the screen.
[23:52] <Cheri703> right click on the panel, go to "panel" or "panel preferences" from there you can change options
[23:52] <Cheri703> you may need to unlock it to turn on grab handles so you can drag it to the bottom
[23:56] <Guest2396> hi there
[23:57] <Guest2396> setting - two finger scrolling (for my touch pad) waqs enabled by me
[23:57] <Guest2396> but how can i disable - scrolling with one finger&?
[23:59] <JainAmber> Thanks a lot, Cheri703!
[23:59] <Cheri703> sure!


[01:17] <jbicha> vorlon: I didn't realize Cinnamon stuff was seeded until after I synced
[01:18] <jbicha> if you're going to reject them, I suggest killing the Cinnamon stuff stuck in eoan-proposed too
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[04:17] <vorlon> jbicha: well I'm not currently planning to reject them, but I'm also not planning to accept them without more info
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[05:31] <ginggs> would someone please 'force-badtest deepnano/0.0+git20170813.e8a621e-3/amd64' ?  it seems to have not timed out only once there
[05:32] <ginggs> also, please lp: #1846193 - together should unblock h5py
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[06:38] <vorlon> doko: yes, binutils debian/control lists various mips* packages that are not actually built from this source, which causes confusion and delay https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XDcC2tJcQ6/
[06:39] <vorlon> didrocks: apparently your grub changes break the grubzfs-testsuite autopkgtests
[06:42] <doko> vorlon: ok, forgot to regenerate the control file
[06:42] <doko> will upload later
[06:44] <doko> vorlon: no, wrong. these are native packages
[06:44] <doko> and the architecture settings are correct
[06:47] <didrocks> vorlon: ah, interesting, because I did regenerate it before the new grub from a build in a ppa. I'll have a look. Thanks for the head's up
[07:08] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, I guess not, probably "stop using imagemagick" is the template security team has in mind
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[07:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mypy (eoan-proposed/universe) [0.720-2 => 0.720-3] (no packageset) (sync)
[07:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted qemu [source] (bionic-proposed) [1:2.11+dfsg-1ubuntu7.19]
[07:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mypy [sync] (eoan-proposed) [0.720-3]
[07:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mesa [source] (bionic-proposed) [19.0.8-0ubuntu0~18.04.3]
[07:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mesa (eoan-proposed/main) [19.2.0-1ubuntu1 => 19.2.0-1ubuntu2] (core, xorg)
[08:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected pulseaudio [source] (bionic-proposed) [1:11.1-1ubuntu7.4]
[08:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: guile-2.0 (eoan-proposed/universe) [2.0.13+1-5.2ubuntu1 => 2.0.13+1-5.3ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[08:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted guile-2.0 [source] (eoan-proposed) [2.0.13+1-5.3ubuntu1]
[08:13] <jamespage> hi release team - the python-taskflow and python-osprofiler uploads in unapproved resolve some py2 support drop issues that where masked earlier in cycle
[08:14] <jamespage> ditto on sahara if that could be accepted - oddness with armhf autopkgtest env not having curl
[08:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-tenacity (eoan-proposed/main) [5.1.1-0ubuntu1 => 5.1.1-0ubuntu2] (ubuntu-server)
[08:35] <jamespage> ^^ has a fix for a py2 compat issue which was accidentally dropped in an earlier upload
[08:36] <jamespage> apw or Laney - any chance you could ack my requests above? proposed migration for the openstack package set is a bit of a car crash so unpicking things
[08:39] <Laney> jamespage: aye, I'll be reviewing the queue later on today
[08:39] <Laney> (happy to be beaten by apw)
[08:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2-signed (eoan-proposed/main) [1.124 => 1.125] (core)
[08:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2 (eoan-proposed/main) [2.04-1ubuntu8 => 2.04-1ubuntu9] (core)
[08:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grubzfs-testsuite (eoan-proposed/universe) [0.4.2 => 0.4.3] (no packageset)
[08:45] <didrocks> FYI, grub2/grub2-signed/grubzfs-testsuite stack should unblock grub2 in proposed ^
[08:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted grubzfs-testsuite [source] (eoan-proposed) [0.4.3]
[09:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-taskflow [source] (eoan-proposed) [3.7.1-0ubuntu2]
[09:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-osprofiler [source] (eoan-proposed) [2.8.2-0ubuntu2]
[09:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted sahara [source] (eoan-proposed) [1:11.0.0~rc1-0ubuntu3]
[09:18] <apw> jamespage, ^
[09:19] <jamespage> apw: thankyou!
[09:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-tenacity [source] (eoan-proposed) [5.1.1-0ubuntu2]
[09:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: youtube-dl (eoan-proposed/universe) [2<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1 => 2019.09.28-1] (ubuntu-budgie, ubuntukylin) (sync)
[09:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-azure [amd64] (bionic-proposed/main) [5.0.0-1022.23~18.04.1] (kernel)
[09:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-azure [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [5.0.0-1022.23~18.04.1]
[10:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: haskell98-tutorial (eoan-proposed/universe) [200006-2-2ubuntu1 => 200006-2-3] (no packageset) (sync)
[10:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected haskell98-tutorial [sync] (eoan-proposed) [200006-2-3]
[10:44] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, funnily, I knew xnee was a problematic package https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/amsn/+packages
[10:44] <LocutusOfBorg> unfortunately I didn't have yet time to look to all the logs, and post a summary of what is failing and why
[12:35] <Laney> infinity: remind me what happened to the new strace?
[12:36] <Laney> I can't remember how we got <mumble> thing migrated
[13:17] <ginggs> would an archive admin look at LP: #1843387 please?
[13:19] <ginggs> also LP: #1828409
[13:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python3-defaults (eoan-proposed/main) [3.7.3-1 => 3.7.5-1] (core)
[13:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python3-defaults [source] (eoan-proposed) [3.7.5-1]
[13:21] <Laney> fast review on that one...
[13:22] <doko> just a version bump, no-change upload
[13:23] <ginggs> also LP: #1846350
[13:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: proteinortho (eoan-proposed/universe) [6.0.6+dfsg-1 => 6.0.8+dfsg-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[13:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted proteinortho [sync] (eoan-proposed) [6.0.8+dfsg-1]
[13:34] <ginggs> and lastly LP: #1846352
[13:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: glance (eoan-proposed/main) [2:19.0.0~b2~git2019073017.733095a8-0ubuntu1 => 2:19.0.0~rc1-0ubuntu1] (openstack, ubuntu-server)
[14:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: masakari (eoan-proposed/universe) [8.0.0~b2~git2019073018.204fa9c-0ubuntu1 => 8.0.0~rc1-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[14:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted masakari [source] (eoan-proposed) [8.0.0~rc1-0ubuntu1]
[14:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: base-files (disco-proposed/main) [10.1ubuntu9.1 => 10.1ubuntu9.2] (core)
[14:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: base-files (bionic-proposed/main) [10.1ubuntu2.6 => 10.1ubuntu2.7] (core)
[14:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-release-upgrader (xenial-proposed/main) [1:16.04.26 => 1:16.04.27] (core)
[14:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: base-files (xenial-proposed/main) [9.4ubuntu4.10 => 9.4ubuntu4.11] (core)
[14:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: fwupd-signed (eoan-proposed/main) [1.9 => 1.10] (core)
[14:37] <LocutusOfBorg> ^^ this should make fwupd migrate
[14:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nova (eoan-proposed/main) [2:20.0.0~b1~git2019061016.1316c1c285-0ubuntu4 => 2:20.0.0~rc1-0ubuntu1] (openstack, ubuntu-server)
[15:05] <vorlon> doko: so those binutils-mips* packages do get built from binutils source on mips* architectures if we had them?  hmm, that is going to be hard for autopkgtest to figure out
[15:06] <ogra> just quickly bootstrap mips ...
[15:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed [amd64] (bionic-proposed/main) [4.15.0-66.75] (core, kernel)
[15:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-hwe [amd64] (bionic-proposed/main) [5.0.0-31.33~18.04.1] (kernel)
[15:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed [ppc64el] (bionic-proposed/main) [4.15.0-66.75] (core, kernel)
[15:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-hwe [ppc64el] (bionic-proposed/main) [5.0.0-31.33~18.04.1] (kernel)
[15:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-hwe [arm64] (bionic-proposed/main) [5.0.0-31.33~18.04.1] (kernel)
[15:16] <doko> vorlon: yes, and that will repeat with gcc-* when the gcc-for-build/gcc-for-host changes go in there as well
[15:31] <vorlon> doko: ok well I can try to find time to work on the autopkgtest changes, but just in general, having the same binary package referenced in debian/control of multiple source packages, over the long term, causes archive confusion
[15:31] <vorlon> there are a variety of reports that don't know how to handle this case
[15:36] <doko> vorlon: I mean I can work around that by removing the "native" packages for architectures which we don't build. but probably not anymore for 19.10
[15:38] <doko> or just remove the mips* stuff
[15:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: haskell-aeson (eoan-proposed/universe) [<IP_ADDRESS>-4 => <IP_ADDRESS>-5] (no packageset) (sync)
[15:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted haskell-aeson [sync] (eoan-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-5]
[15:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: systemd (eoan-proposed/main) [242-6ubuntu1 => 242-7ubuntu1] (core)
[16:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-hwe [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [5.0.0-31.33~18.04.1]
[16:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-hwe [ppc64el] (bionic-proposed) [5.0.0-31.33~18.04.1]
[16:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [ppc64el] (bionic-proposed) [4.15.0-66.75]
[16:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-hwe [arm64] (bionic-proposed) [5.0.0-31.33~18.04.1]
[16:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [4.15.0-66.75]
[16:14] <infinity> Laney: Oops, new strace didn't happen cause I lost track of that brain card while waiting for upstream to release (which he has now).
[16:15] <infinity> Laney: And I've entirely forgotten which package it was that showed off the bug.
[16:15] <Laney> ostree
[16:16] <Laney> Looks like it got badtested so I wasn't getting the nag emails from proposed-migration
[16:17] <infinity> Lemme see about rolling that fresh strace sometime today.  I don't look forward to battling upstream's testsuite, which never seems to quite work.
[16:18] <infinity> Although, it somehow passed in that snapshot build I did for you, so maybe there's hope
[16:21] <Laney> Would be nice if it just slid right in
[16:21] <Laney> Ta
[16:22] <infinity> That's what she said?
[16:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cinnamon-desktop [sync] (eoan-proposed) [4.0.1-1]
[16:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-xapp [sync] (eoan-proposed) [1.6.0-1]
[16:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cinnamon-translations [sync] (eoan-proposed) [4.0.2-1]
[16:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted xapp [sync] (eoan-proposed) [1.4.9-1]
[16:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nemo [sync] (eoan-proposed) [4.0.6-1]
[17:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: openexr (eoan-proposed/main) [2.2.1-4.1 => 2.2.1-4.1ubuntu1] (ubuntu-desktop)
[18:05] <mdeslaur> could someone please reject openexr ^
[18:05] <mdeslaur> I was premature in uploading it
[18:05] <infinity> mdeslaur: Done.
[18:06] <mdeslaur> infinity: ta
[18:06] <infinity> Oh, lovely, the queue is giving me 4MB diffs of systemd against the 243 that was deleted.  Useful.
[18:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected openexr [source] (eoan-proposed) [2.2.1-4.1ubuntu1]
[18:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted systemd [source] (eoan-proposed) [242-7ubuntu1]
[18:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted debootstrap [source] (eoan-proposed) [1.0.116ubuntu1]
[18:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mesa [source] (eoan-proposed) [19.2.0-1ubuntu2]
[18:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: bind9 (bionic-proposed/main) [1:9.11.3+dfsg-1ubuntu1.9 => 1:9.11.3+dfsg-1ubuntu1.10] (core)
[18:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted glance [source] (eoan-proposed) [2:19.0.0~rc1-0ubuntu1]
[18:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nova [source] (eoan-proposed) [2:20.0.0~rc1-0ubuntu1]
[19:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: budgie-extras (eoan-proposed/universe) [0.10.1-0ubuntu2 => 0.10.1-0ubuntu3] (personal-fossfreedom, ubuntu-budgie)
[19:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mate-control-center (eoan-proposed/universe) [1.22.2-0ubuntu2 => 1.22.2-0ubuntu3] (ubuntu-mate)
[19:24] <ddstreet> doko Laney the autopkgtest fix for binutils is just waiting for debian merging, do you need me to nag them to re-review and merge?  I'm not sure how urgent it is to get it working in autopkgtest.u.c
[19:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted budgie-extras [source] (eoan-proposed) [0.10.1-0ubuntu3]
[19:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mate-control-center [source] (eoan-proposed) [1.22.2-0ubuntu3]
[19:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: tzdata (eoan-proposed/main) [2019c-1 => 2019c-3] (core) (sync)
[19:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: firefox (eoan-proposed/main) [69.0.1+build1-0ubuntu2 => 69.0.2+build1-0ubuntu1] (mozilla, ubuntu-desktop)
[20:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: tzdata (bionic-proposed/main) [2019b-0ubuntu0.18.04 => 2019c-0ubuntu0.18.04] (core)
[20:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: tzdata (xenial-proposed/main) [2019b-0ubuntu0.16.04 => 2019c-0ubuntu0.16.04] (core)
[20:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: tzdata (disco-proposed/main) [2019b-0ubuntu0.19.04 => 2019c-0ubuntu0.19.04] (core)
[21:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted tzdata [source] (bionic-proposed) [2019c-0ubuntu0.18.04]
[21:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted tzdata [source] (xenial-proposed) [2019c-0ubuntu0.16.04]
[21:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted tzdata [source] (disco-proposed) [2019c-0ubuntu0.19.04]
[22:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: geary (bionic-proposed/universe) [0.12.0-1ubuntu1 => 0.12.4-4~ubuntu18.04.3] (ubuntu-budgie)


[00:04] <Olwe> trashguy, did you find anything?
[00:05] <trashguy> no
[00:05] <Olwe> hmm...
[00:06] <Olwe> i tried changing the video card, but my MOBO didnt like that at all.. something may be wrong with my AGP slot... or the card... but i mean, i get partway with the pci card, which i installed with
[00:57] <maw> when "apt-get purge" is used and aptitude is identifying "ubuntu-minimal" to be removed as well
[00:57] <maw> I assume that would be bad to remove
[02:57] <ScottK> maw: Almost certainly whatever you are removing that's part of ubunutu-minimal is something you want to keep on your system.
[03:34] <maw> ScottK: indeed, I was just removing all of the dhcpd and dhcp3-server related stufd
[03:34] <maw> *stuff
[03:35] <ScottK> ubuntu-minimal is just a metapackage, so removing it doesn't actually hurt anything.
[03:35] <ScottK> You really ought to be sure you know what you're doing though if you remove stuff that's in minimal.
[04:57] <[Solaris]> how do i put soemthing in cron to every 15 or 30 mins?
[04:59] <sommer> [Solaris]: */30 * * * * command
[04:59] <sommer> [Solaris]: change the 30 to 15 for every 15 minutes
[04:59] <[Solaris]> do i need to put the file somewhere?
[05:00] <sommer> that would be the cron entry... the crontab -e will let you edit the cron jobs
[05:02] <[Solaris]> so it doesn't matter where the file resides?
[05:04] <sommer> not sure what you mean by file?
[05:05] <[Solaris]> i have a bash script that i want ran
[05:05] <[Solaris]> script == file
[05:06] <sommer> I usually put custom scripts in /usr/local/bin so your cron entry would be: */30 * * * * /usr/local/bin/filename
[05:08] <[Solaris]> is 15 min to often for a cron..
[05:09] <sommer> I have some jobs running every 5 :-)
[05:09] <sommer> it's really a matter of what your script does, how resource intensive, etc
[05:09] <[Solaris]> it moves files from one dir to the next
[05:10] <sommer> I wouldn't think you'd have any issue, but I guess it depends on how many files and their sizes get moved, still shouldn't be an issue
[05:11] <[Solaris]> cp: cannot create regular file `/usr/local/bin/CTDM': Permission denied
[05:11] <[Solaris]> ohh id idn't chmod +e or what ever tothe file
[09:18] <portablejim> What happens if you put 2 dhcp servers on one network? does the second stop the first from working, or does the second one just not work?
[09:28] <MitosKalandiel> most likely you will get very unpredictable effects, either dhcp server a0 or b0 answering leases being given double etc, i am not sure if that's even mentioned in ip-specs
[09:28] <MitosKalandiel> a or b even
[09:30] <MitosKalandiel> but in every case i had 2 dhcp servers running my network became unstable and unpredictable, downright to the point of unusability..
[09:33] <portablejim> so the second one would bring down the network. is that what you are saying?
[09:47] <ropetin> portablejim: I'm late to this party, but I'd concur with MitosKalandiel, two active DHCP servers on the same segment is not worth the agro
[09:50] <MitosKalandiel> portablejim: not necessaraly bringing the network down, but you will be tackling major problems when you do run two dhcp servers
[09:56] <portablejim> thanks
[09:59] <MitosKalandiel> yw
[10:01] <ivoks> sometimes i just want to cry
[10:14] <ropetin> ivoks: any reason or just in general?
[10:40] <ivoks> ropetin: i've spent lots of time (a week) on debugging of one problem
[10:40] <ivoks> ropetin: it turns our it's just an online change in one header
[10:40] <ivoks> one line
[10:40] <[Mitos]> ouch
[10:42] <ivoks> and i figured that out this morning, after last night and lots of alcohol
[10:42] <ivoks> moral of the story: alcohol can be good sometimes :D
[14:06] <bogey-> i was running 8.04 and i did an apt-get upgrade and now my network stopped working. It says it is configured but no traffic goes in or out
[16:40] <EvilDaemon> So I have an older box with 3 different ubuntu operating systems on it, and I want to put ubuntuserver on it. All of the thing I want to keep are backed up, now what?
[16:41] <EvilDaemon> Also, when installing, it won't let me overwrite all of the partitions, just one out of two.
[16:46] <EvilDaemon> Anyone...
[16:59] <EvilDaemon> So... nobody?
[17:09] <stainer> are you using the manual option?
[17:14] <EvilDaemon> Well, I'm going to try dban and then install it
[17:15] <stainer> I some trouble overwrite partitions with an older version. I deleted the partitions manually, the ran the install and that worked... I cant remember if that was a bug or not.
[17:16] <stainer> or something I was doing wrong
[17:16] <EvilDaemon> How did you delete them?
[17:17] <stainer> used a live disk, and ran gparted
[17:17] <EvilDaemon> Can you boot into a shell from the live Server cd?
[17:18] <EvilDaemon> er, ubuntu server livecd
[17:18] <stainer> I used a desktop cd, but you should be able to do the same thing with fdisk in command line
[17:19] <stainer> make sure you have everything you need off that disk
[17:19] <EvilDaemon> Yeah, everything is on a usb.
[17:19] <EvilDaemon> thanks.
[17:19] <stainer> fdisk deletes the partitions, then you can use a guided install, and it should write the whole disk
[17:20] <stainer> np
[17:20] <stainer> I am sometimes slow with this stuff, so your milage may vary :)
[17:41] <EvilDaemon> fdisk just displays stuff, it's not doing anything.
[17:41] <EvilDaemon> Is there a delete-all argument?
[17:44] <normanm> EvilDaemon: you could even use cfdisk
[17:45] <stainer> fdisk /dev/hda (or your hd)
[17:45] <EvilDaemon> what about parted?
[17:45] <stainer> parted would do the same... fdisk is pretty old, but straight foward
[17:46] <EvilDaemon> There's four different kinds under /dev/
[17:46] <EvilDaemon> Now I guess cfdisk is being suggested over parted.
[17:47] <stainer> http://linux.about.com/od/commands/l/blcmdl8_fdisk.htm
[17:47] <stainer> you have to delete each partition
[17:48] <stainer> Try them in the order cfdisk, fdisk, sfdisk. (Indeed, cfdisk is a beautiful program that has strict requirements on the partition tables it
[17:48] <stainer> accepts, and produces high quality partition tables. Use it if you can.
[17:49] <stainer> I just found that... I have never used cfdisk before, so I didn't know about it
[17:49] <EvilDaemon> okay. will one of them tell me what partition I'm on, or do I stab in the dark and hope I don't miss?
[17:49] <normanm> stainer: lol
[17:49] <normanm> cfdisk rocks
[17:51] <stainer> it is rare that I have needed the partition manually... ubuntu takes care of it for you :) I have in the old days with dos, and slackware
[17:51] <stainer> here is a better howto on fdisk http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Partition/fdisk_partitioning.html
[17:52] <stainer> with everything in linux, there are about 45 ways to accomplish it
[17:52] <EvilDaemon> fdisk - disk partition table manipulator
[17:52] <EvilDaemon> fdformat - Low-level format a floppy disk
[17:53] <EvilDaemon>  cfdisk
[17:53] <EvilDaemon> Curses based disk partition table manipulator for Linux
[17:53] <blue-frog> EvilDaemon: what do you need to do?
[17:54] <EvilDaemon> To delete all my partitions.
[17:54] <EvilDaemon> sorry for the flood.
[17:54] <normanm> EvilDaemon: use cfdisk
[17:54] <normanm> I still not understand what the problem is
[17:55] <blue-frog> EvilDaemon: I assume you are on a livecd?
[17:55] <EvilDaemon> Yes, but I only have a command line.
[17:55] <stainer> cfdisk is nice
[17:56] <blue-frog> EvilDaemon: then either one of the tools listed above will help you do that. chose the one you prefer
[17:57] <EvilDaemon> I just took a look at cfdisk, so I'll use that. Now, how do I find out what partition I'm currently on?
[17:57] <blue-frog> EvilDaemon: if you are running from a live cd you are on cloop
[17:57] <EvilDaemon> okay, thanks.
[17:58] <blue-frog> EvilDaemon: your drive will be certainly named /dev/sda
[18:04] <EvilDaemon> okay, so that didn't work
[18:04] <EvilDaemon> all of the oses that I originally had on there are still there, after deleting the partitions.
[18:04] <EvilDaemon> from a livecd
[18:04] <EvilDaemon> one is on sd2
[18:05] <EvilDaemon> the other didn't say.
[18:06] <EvilDaemon> If I run sudo rm -rf /, will it solve my problems?
[18:09] <stainer> that would just delete the files, the partitions would still be there
[18:10] <blue-frog> EvilDaemon: what livecd do you have?
[18:11] <blue-frog> EvilDaemon: in fact are you root in your llivecd?
[18:20] <EvilDaemon> no
[18:20] <EvilDaemon> It's ubuntu gusty, 7.10 i386
[18:20] <EvilDaemon> and I did sudo cfdisk
[18:24] <blue-frog> did you reboot afterwards?
[18:28] <EvilDaemon> yes
[18:28] <EvilDaemon> it went to grub, and still showed all of the previous oses.
[18:28] <EvilDaemon> ubuntu 7.10, and ubuntu 8.10
[18:28] <blue-frog> EvilDaemon: so you didn't delete the /boot partition. that's all
[18:29] <stuart> Hi All
[18:30] <stuart> 8.04.1 server. Won't install on my hp netserver. Can't load installer from cd. Media check is good. ??
[18:31] <stuart> -- hp netserver E800 2xP3 1GHz 2GB ram
[18:31] <EvilDaemon> blue-frog: In cfdisk, there were two different options. one had boot on it. I deleted them all.
[18:33] <blue-frog> EvilDaemon: sudo parted /dev/sda p    gives you what?
[18:33] <blue-frog> EvilDaemon: by the way in cfdisk, you need to write out the changes you made
[18:34] <blue-frog> otherwise nothing is done
[18:34] <blue-frog> EvilDaemon: use parted, changes are made right away, no need to reboot
[18:42] <stainer> only with AT&T is a dynamic ip a selling point. Dynamic IP Addresses - Every time you log on to the Internet, your computer is assigned a new, unique IP address, making it more difficult for hackers to find you.
[18:44] <EvilDaemon> it says that the directory isn't there. So It's just deleting it off of grub?
[19:05] <orogor> hi here
[19:05] <orogor> anyone knows of any decent documentation/tutorial on apparmor?
[19:06] <sommer> orogor: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/apparmor.html
[19:07] <sommer> orogor: should get you started anyway
[19:08] <orogor> yhea, just stpotted the bottom link to suze doc , o think  was looking for that$
[19:25] <orogor> sommer, is there a repository wth additional profiles for apparmor on ubuntu  ?
[19:25] <orogor> also stupid queston what sthe difference between gentoo and gento server if i nstall server type packages on th desktop version ?
[19:27] <sommer> orogor: there's the apparmor-profiles package which contains additional profiles, that may be what you're looking for
[19:27] <sommer> orogor: nope the server and desktop use the same repositories so installing say apache on desktop is the same as installing it on sever
[19:27] <orogor> sommer, there s like 10 profiles in it , whichb isn t much
[19:28] <sommer> orogor: ya, apparmor integration is pretty conservative, due to the chance of messing things up
[19:28] <orogor> i could build profiles by myself , but ... would have been nice if there were some more
[19:28] <sommer> you can always submit any that you create :)
[19:29] <orogor> doesn t works out server doesn t answer
[19:30] <sommer> ?
[19:31] <orogor> i modified the cupsd profile , i was presented with an option to uopdate the repository but had an error when submitting profle , apparently (in don t know which) server wasn t answerng http
[19:32] <orogor> bah, i ll give up for today, i bet iptable forbidding incoming connections will protect me from 90% of stuff anyway
[19:58]  * [Solaris] wonders if trashguy comes in on the weekends
[20:07] <henkjan> D
[20:08] <EvilDaemon> is for Dog
[21:50] <[Solaris]> can someone tell me if my external IP address shows up a http page?
[22:11] <NCommander> [Solaris], sure
[22:11] <NCommander> IP address?
[22:11] <[Solaris]> <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:12] <NCommander> [Solaris], yup
[22:13] <[Solaris]> good good
[22:14] <[Solaris]> now to figure out how to make it so a user can have a http page
[22:14] <[Solaris]> <IP_ADDRESS>/<user> is the address right?
[22:14] <[Solaris]> typically
[22:15] <NCommander> ~user
[22:15] <[Solaris]> and in the user dir they need to add?
[22:17] <NCommander> usually public_html
[22:17] <NCommander> But that varies depending on the apache configuration
[22:17] <[Solaris]> erm whats defualt?
[22:18] <NCommander> No idea
[22:18] <[Solaris]> know where i can look?
[22:19] <[Solaris]> i thought normally you have to mkdir some directory for all the html stuff
[23:44] <LeChacal> hello can some help with this. At my school we have public printer on ip address 192.168.***.*** and my dorm pc is on ip address 172.16.***.***. I cant touch the settings in the router so i cant set up routing table to allow me to print to this printer but does any one have a different idea of how i can print to this printer. Thank You


[09:33] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Tug o' War Day! :-D
[17:59] <iGor2> hi. I'm encountering a auth_failed error on a Xubuntu 12.04 with Ubuntu One, and got information on the /help/faq of the official site, but couldn't find a way to solve the problem. Does anyone have some suggestions ? :)
[18:01] <iGor2> Is there a way to set again the credentials on the client ? And if yes, how to do it on a Xubuntu ?


[08:52] <soee> clivejo: i had some muon update again from your ppa
[08:52] <soee> and now muon does not crash when checking for updates
 I added a dep on libqapt3 (>= 3.0.1+git20160315), so it solved the problem?
[09:34] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:02] <ok> http://shrinkmy.com/ZFmSN1C6
[10:09] <soee> clivejo: seems so
[10:10] <soee> clivejo: i am able to update list, and install package
 Nice one
 Soee did you +1 the bug?
 https://launchpad.net/bugs/1562406
 valorie: did you test Muon?
[11:22] <soee> clivejo: i'v added comment
 thanks
[11:55] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:55] <soee> hiho BluesKaj
[11:56] <soee> BluesKaj: Clive fixed muon if you want to use it :)
[11:56] <BluesKaj> soee, I've been using it successfully all along..didn't know it was broken :-)
[11:57] <BluesKaj> just had to have the libmuon package
[12:00] <BluesKaj> soee, other than one had to quit from the file dropdown in order to close it
[12:01] <BluesKaj> soee, clivejo , what was wrong anyway?
[12:02] <soee> https://launchpad.net/bugs/1562406
 Muon has been split into different apps. Plasma-discover etc.  Muon package manager was um maintained so got dropped from main release
[14:07] <BluesKaj> clivejo, I used muon on 16.04 for quite a while , seems it still needs libmuon to install, but once installed it works fine.
 The old one does
[15:56] <BluesKaj> well, I guess it's too much to ask for a stable Myththtv install on Xenial at this point  :-)
[16:30] <sgclark> hmm serious screen tearing on this laptop
[16:30]  * sgclark reboots
[22:05] <valorie> clivejo: @clifford: https://paste.kde.org/pgnsm6g8d
[22:06] <clivejo> sudo apt-get update
[22:06] <valorie> oh, of course, sorry
[22:06] <clivejo> you are still trying to install the archive version there
[22:07] <valorie> just got back from Easter brunch; suffering from lack of coffee
[22:08] <valorie> and my connection seems to be rather rocky atm
[22:08] <clivejo> no prob
[22:28] <valorie> https://paste.kde.org/pgeycslur, clivejo
[22:28] <valorie> however, it starts
[22:29] <valorie> checks for updates, installs them, etc.
[22:30] <valorie> shall I comment on the ffe bug?
[22:30] <clivejo> I dunno what that error is
[22:30] <valorie> me either, but I thought you might find it interesting
[22:31] <valorie> thank you for fixing
[22:32] <clivejo> Carlos was one fixed it!
[22:33] <valorie> commented
[22:33] <valorie> ok, but you packaged it, and filed the FFe
[22:33] <valorie> thank you
[22:40] <clivejo> very welcome
[22:40] <clivejo> Id like to see it in