[02:20] <AndersAA> that package should already be installed
[02:20] <siretart> andid: which installation media did you use?
[02:21] <AndersAA> you could try sudo ln -s /usr/bin/X11/XFree86 /etc/X11/X aswell
[02:21] <andid> i downloaded the i386 iso image and burned it on cd
[02:21] <AndersAA> did you say yes to installing packages from the internet?  Could be it screwed up there somehow
[02:21] <andid> yes i dit
[02:21] <andid> did
[02:21] <andid> and he downloaded all packages
[02:22] <andid> or i think he did so
[02:22] <AndersAA> login, sudo apt-get install xserver-xfree86 <-- try that
[02:22] <AndersAA> ... no, try the ln line
[02:22] <andid> ok wait a second i try it
[02:22] <andid> ok the ln not apt??
[02:22] <AndersAA> sudo ln -s /usr/bin/X11/XFree86 /etc/X11/X
[02:22] <AndersAA> login then write that
[02:22] <AndersAA> and reboot and see if that works
[02:23] <andid> ok i give it a try
[02:23] <Tzalidar> yeah, i got it free on the net
[02:24] <sertmann> two quick questions i hope you can help me with... does ubuntu use x.org or xfree86 as default? couse i've been changing my xfree86-config4 beyond recognition and i still only run in 640x480 mode...
[02:25] <bob2> xfree86.
[02:25] <AndersAA> xfree86
[02:25] <AndersAA> try checking your log file, could be it's detecting your monitor wrong and keeping you in 640x480 because of that
[02:26] <sertmann> and is there a tutorial on setting up the propetary nvidia drivers somewhere, couse it seems it's quite different from debian, as you can't apt-get the kernel source and image...
[02:27] <andid> ok im back
[02:27] <sertmann> seems like my monitor is detected just fine.... with appropriate freq. detection and all
[02:27] <andid> i did the ln line and restarted the machine
[02:27] <andid> and now i got this error: /etc/X11/X is not executable
[02:27] <AndersAA> yeah, figured as much
[02:27] <AndersAA> chances are it's an invalid link or something
[02:28] <AndersAA> what I'd do for a quick fix without doing any advanced stuff is just reinstall and say no when it asks to update stuff from the internet
[02:28] <AndersAA> you can do that later
[02:28] <andid> and than?
[02:28] <AndersAA> I'll guess instead of installing from the cd, it's "sync's" the package tree and tries to install updated packages from the internet instead of installing from cd and then updating.
[02:28] <AndersAA> which means if it fails to download something it won't install that package at all
[02:28] <AndersAA> you can probably update your system after install without problems
[02:28] <andid> i tried this out last night
[02:29] <andid> and x wont come up too
[02:29] <AndersAA> same error message?
[02:29] <andid> yeah
[02:29] <andid> so today i updated packages, did apt-get upgrade
[02:29] <andid> and apt-get install gdm
[02:29] <AndersAA> hmm.... I'd try bug reporting this if I were you, hopefully they'll have some suggestions on what went wrong
[02:29] <AndersAA> (bugzilla.ubuntu.com)
[02:30] <andid> ok
[02:30] <andid> sounds not good
[02:30] <AndersAA> well it is a pre release
[02:30] <AndersAA> and they fix stuff fairly quickly :)
[02:30] <andid> oh thats good
[02:31] <AndersAA> this would probably be a pretty high priority bug, so it should be fixed soon.
[02:31] <AndersAA> also keep in mind if they ask you to checkout /etc/X11/X, that I told you to create the symlink :)
[02:33] <sertmann> Any other bright ideas? i probably just forgot something and can't remember what it is i forgot :)
[02:34] <tuhl> Hi - Is Mark Shuttleworth also "avaliable" on this channel?
[02:35] <bob2> he is here
[02:35] <bob2> it's probably better to email him, though
[02:35] <AndersAA> sertmann: well, if you have configured your file with X -configure it puts the config file in your homedir, which overrides system's /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 configfile
[02:35] <tuhl> bob2: What is his NIC?
[02:36] <sertmann> did dpkgxconfigure
[02:36] <bob2> tuhl: it'd be better to email him, I suspect
[02:36] <sertmann> and editet manually
[02:36] <AndersAA> cat /var/log/XFree86*.log, maybe grep for EE or WW (error/warning)
[02:37] <tuhl> bob2: What is his e-mail address?
[02:37] <Mithrandir><EMAIL_ADDRESS>iirc.
[02:37] <tuhl> thanks
[02:41] <sertmann> ah, seems you were right Anders, hsync out of range.... anyway to check this, cz i don't have the manual, and it doesn't state on the monitor....
[02:41] <sertmann> ehm any way
[02:41] <AndersAA> if you comment ouf the hsync and vsync lines it'll try to auto detect em
[02:41] <AndersAA> will work on most monitors
[02:43] <sertmann> aha! rebooting....
[02:43] <sertmann> :)
[02:43] <izmaelis> hello
[02:46] <sertmann> hmmm
[02:46] <sertmann> nix
[02:47] <izmaelis> what is so special about ubuntu linux?
[02:48] <sertmann> he, it doesn't detect your monitor properly :D
[02:48] <izmaelis> (-:
[02:48] <izmaelis> what do you mean by that?
[02:49] <sertmann> just joking....
[02:50] <izmaelis> no, really, why should anyone choose this distro?
[02:50] <sertmann> supposedly it's debian with a more frequent release cycle, which suits me fine if i could only get it to work properly
[02:50] <sertmann> and it's fast too
[02:53] <izmaelis> no offence, but i think that source based linux distros are faster than binary package based ones
[02:53] <Noodles> Wasn't that disproved though?
[02:53] <joem> depends on your definition of fast
[02:54] <sertmann> i was merely stating it seems more responsive than debian, not comparing with gentoo
[02:55] <crimsun> izmaelis: "faster?"
[02:55] <crimsun> izmaelis: wrt package updates? binary performance?
[02:56] <crimsun> ubuntu's packages are updated very frequently.
[02:56] <joem> crimsun, I spent 3 days upgrading, so to make up for it I pretend things go 10x faster
[02:56] <crimsun> it's not uncommon to find multiple updates within hours.
[02:56] <joem> that type of faster :)
[02:56] <crimsun> joem: awesome.
[02:56] <philipss2> hello
[02:57] <sertmann> mmm... well.... commenting out the sync rates didn't help...
[02:57] <sertmann> any other suggestions?
[02:58] <izmaelis> uhmmm... and is it possible (or even logical) to install ubuntu on machine, that does not have internet connection?
[02:58] <joem> sure
[02:58] <smeggy> yep
[02:58] <joem> just grab an install cd
[02:58] <joem> all of the packages are on it
[02:58] <Ferry> damn this sucks
[02:58] <Ferry> if you have xinerama setup
[02:59] <philipss2> there's missing one thing though :)
[02:59] <Ferry> it will only show windows on the first screen in the windows list
[02:59] <Ferry> and not ones that are on the second screen
[02:59] <philipss2> something to burn audio cds ... found nothing on the CD for that
[02:59] <joem> philipss2, cdrecord
[03:00] <philipss2> and something more clickable for my mother ?
[03:00] <joem> heh, nope
[03:00] <joem> not for audio anyways
[03:01] <philipss2> i thought nautilus-cd-burner was supporting audio cds .. i was wrong :(
[03:02] <Treenaks> philipss2: there are some AUDIO_TRACK references in the source, so I think it might support it in the future
[03:02] <izmaelis> do they send you ubuntu linux cds for free?
[03:03] <joem> yes you can have cds mailed to you for free
[03:04] <philipss2> Treenaks: ok thx for info
[03:04] <izmaelis> hey, i like that
[03:04] <Maskie> izmaelis: free cd's only after final release on 20th oct --- goto http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org/
[03:05] <Maskie> izmaelis: you can order as many as you like --- even powerppc and amd64
[03:07] <izmaelis> i'm trying to remember any other distro that sends you install cd for free, but i can't remember any
[03:09] <netoryggi> hi there
[03:09] <Treenaks> izmaelis: suse used to send SuSE Professional packages to Debian Developers :)
[03:10] <Myshkin> g'day. when i try to install  I get "no installable kernel found" error. any advice?
[03:10] <netoryggi> i'm moving from windows to ubuntu and well, my debian/linux experience is limited...but I'm trying to play the teletubbies for my kid on the comptuer, but it seems like totem player needs some additional packages for xvid, divx and etc.  - i've tried to write apt-get w32***.deb but it doesn't work....anybody that can help me?
[03:11] <Treenaks> Myshkin: is your CD burned correctly, and found during install?
[03:11] <Treenaks> netoryggi: look for "marillat" in the wiki (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/), it has an explanation
[03:11] <Myshkin> Treenaks: the md5 sums were ok & the installer verified the packages
[03:12] <netoryggi> ??? the marillat...
[03:12] <Treenaks> Myshkin: what kind of CPU do you have?
[03:12] <Myshkin> I tried the preview iso & some of the daily snapshots both normal & expert
[03:12] <Treenaks> netoryggi: there's a search box on the wiki page, use it to look for 'marillat' (or DVD)
[03:13] <Myshkin> it's a p4 2.66 (dell dimension 4500 with a few upgrades)
[03:13] <netoryggi> Treenaks: sorry to sound very stupid...but wiki page sounds jargonish :-) to a me (sorry know i'm beginner)
[03:13] <Treenaks> netoryggi: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:13] <netoryggi> thx Treenaks
[03:13] <Treenaks> netoryggi: marillat is the name of the guy who packaged all tools
[03:14] <netoryggi> aha...ok
[03:14] <Treenaks> (last name)
[03:15] <Myshkin> Treenaks: i saved the error reports to a floppy. from messages: Setting up base-config (2.44ubuntu23) ... Err file: warty/main Packages Read error - read (5 Input/output error) Failed to fetch file:///cdrom/dists/warty/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz Read error - read (5 Input/output error) Reading Package Lists... E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[03:15] <netoryggi> Treenaks: thought that :-) - so there is no way to play xvid or divx like in mandrake linux for example?
[03:16] <Treenaks> Myshkin: input/output error means there's a problem with the installation medium
[03:16] <Kamion> Myshkin: I/O error suggests a dodgy CD burn
[03:16] <Kamion> Myshkin: the usual advice is to try burning at a lower speed
[03:16] <Treenaks> what Kamion said
[03:16] <Treenaks> netoryggi: there probably is, but I don't know anything about mandrake (other than "it exists")
[03:17] <Myshkin> i'll try but my hopes are low. i'm a newbie so iv'e burned a _lot_ of iso's (for various distros) & all of them worked ok (all that matched the md5's)
[03:18] <stianh> how many fulltime devs does ubuntu have?
[03:18] <Myshkin> could i/o have anything to do with ide or dma?
[03:18] <stianh> I am writing an article in norwegian about ubuntu, so I hope you won't mind me asking a few general questions :)
[03:18] <rupert> hi
[03:19] <izmaelis> is there any forum for ubuntu users?
[03:19] <Mithrandir> stianh: for whom?
[03:19] <rupert> i have a problem running k3bsetup, it gives tons of errors that it missis icons and cant find kcmshell
[03:19] <stianh> Mithrandir, no one specific, but there is one norwegian linux site that I am thinking of submitting it to, and maybe a printed magazine, but chances are highest on it beeing published on the website.
[03:20] <rupert> than it crashes
[03:20] <Mithrandir> stianh: which one, then.
[03:21] <stianh> Mithrandir, www.linux1.no, and if they won't take it I'll try my luck with Linuxmagasinet (www.linmag.no) which is the printed one
[03:21] <Mithrandir> linuxmagasinet seems to take most people throw at them, IME.
[03:21] <stianh> I think linux1.no does too
[03:22] <Mithrandir> no idea, haven't heard of it before.
[03:22] <stianh> k
[03:22] <stianh> it's just a few months old
[03:23] <Kamion> stianh: about ten working on the distribution full-time, 34 total employed by Canonical
[03:23] <stianh> Kamion, thanks
[03:24] <philipss2> bye*
[03:24] <smeggy> anyone wanna start like a ubuntu community site?
[03:25] <stianh> smeggy, if you wanna call it mailordergeek.com you can get hosting and domain for free :P
[03:25] <Kamion> Myshkin: in recent versions of our kernels we've turned off DMA for CD drives
[03:25] <smeggy> lol stianh
[03:25] <Kamion> Myshkin: that postdates the preview release, though
[03:26] <stianh> smeggy, I'm serious, I have the domain and serverstuff :)
[03:26] <stianh> but nothing on it :P
[03:26] <stianh> but I am guessing it would be a bad domain name for such a site :)
[03:26] <smeggy> start a geek clothing store or something :P
[03:26] <stianh> hehe
[03:26] <rupert> can someone help me getting k3bsetup to run?
[03:32] <izmaelis> is there any forum for ubuntu users?
[03:32] <Myshkin> Kamion: Well, the 2004-10-03 snapshot ends in the same result. The 2004-10-06 snapshot doesn't work in normal mode (hangs on language select-maybe due to my usb keyboard?), but the expert ends the same too. How can I try tuning my dvdrw drive with hdparm during the install?
[03:33] <darksatanic> izmaelis: Here, and the mailing lists.
[03:33] <darksatanic> izmaelis: If you mean a web forum, then not as far as I know.
[03:34] <Mithrandir> we're working on that, though.
[03:34] <PerfDave> Will the web forum be a web gateway to the mailing list?
[03:36] <Mithrandir> yes.
[03:36] <netoryggi> Treenack: is there any "easy" way to get the codecs installed
[03:36] <netoryggi> ?
[03:37] <superted> is there an easy way to get java and shockwave in epiphany?
[03:38] <rupert> is there any other way to burn UDF Data DVDs under linux?
[03:38] <rupert> k3b says me to use 1x speed
[03:38] <superted> exiting
[03:39] <sucram> hi there
[03:40] <sucram> is there anybody who can help me getting my usb hdd working under ubuntu?
[03:42] <Kamion> Myshkin: hdparm's available; press alt-f2 to get a shell where you can mess around, and alt-f1 to get back to the installer user interface.
[03:44] <joebeastie> away
[03:44] <joebeastie> doh :P
[03:44] <Smeggy> :D
[03:48] <rupert> thats what sucks in the linux com, you ask and get no answers, you will never get the desktop
[03:49] <Myshkin> Kamion: Is any of that other information useful? I.E., syslog, hardware summary...?
[03:50] <Kamion> Myshkin: syslog may well be; I really need to get going, though, I'm late for the family visit I meant to pay today
[03:53] <Myshkin> Kamion: Thanks for your help!
[03:57] <cardador> anyone is using anjuta / glade? i noticed that a required package for c++ is missing: glademm
[03:57] <cardador> missing from universe
[04:03] <izmaelis> when will be new version of ubuntu avaiable/
[04:04] <izmaelis> ?
[04:05] <JohanH> izmaelis, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/releases/document_view
[04:08] <Maskie> izmaelis: and release schedule for warty -- http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/WartyWarthog_2fReleaseSchedule
[04:12] <andid84> re
[04:13] <BatUz> hi
[04:13] <BatUz> how can I enable root user?
[04:14] <normnmiles> in terminal type sudo passwd root and reset password
[04:15] <Phr0stByte> How can I change my audio output to esound insteat of oss that it is using now?
[04:18] <Phr0stByte> Anyone?
[04:19] <andid84> i have the following problem: after default installation x server is not set up correctly what should i do??? no detailed information about where the error occurs is given.....
[04:21] <Tzalidar> do you have a ati card?
[04:21] <andid84> yes i have an ati radeon 9600 pro
[04:21] <Tzalidar> okay
[04:22] <Tzalidar> what i did
[04:22] <Tzalidar> was to open the XF86Config-4 file
[04:22] <Tzalidar> it lies in /etc/X11
[04:22] <andid84> k
[04:22] <Tzalidar> then i changed the driver to "radeon"
[04:38] <cc> should ubuntu installer be clever to note not to start pcmcia on iMacs ?
[04:39] <jdub> cc: it's meant to remove pcmcia-cs if it's not required
[04:39] <jdub> Kamion: around?
[04:39] <firemouth> I cannot get a new Ubuntu install to boot. Something wrong with grub. Need help!
[04:39] <cc> jdub: ok. i'm doing a fresh install now, lets see if it removes it
[04:41] <Mithrandir> anybody with an amd64 and a nvidia card around?
[04:41] <bulvine> anyone home?
[04:41] <firemouth> I'm here
[04:42] <bulvine> do you know what I must do to get ubuntu to access NTFS shares?
[04:42] <goatboy> Mithrandir: me.
[04:42] <FiFi> i have ubuntu installed and working on a sata disk drive (/dev/sda), i can access my cdrom drive (/dev/hda) but devices for 2 my two ide disk drives aren't created (no hdb or hdc in /dev/)
[04:42] <FiFi> i tried MAKEDEV, but it doesn't work (cause of udev i think)
[04:42] <FiFi> when i look into /proc/ide i can find specifications for the two hard disk drive
[04:42] <FiFi> so my question is,
[04:42] <FiFi> how can i add hdb and hdc in /dev/ using udev (or maybe another util) ?
[04:42] <firemouth> Not I. I cannot get my system to even boot up.
[04:42] <cc> is there an rsync archive of the daily iso's? so i can just rsync the iso, rather than download a new one (saves bandwidth) ?
[04:43] <Mithrandir> cc: yes, it's documented on the wiki
[04:43] <cc> Mithrandir: thanks; i should pay that more attention
[04:43] <Mithrandir> goatboy: want to test amd64 linux-restricted-modules?  (That is, nvidia modules working out of the box, more or less)
[04:43] <Mithrandir> cc: rsync://archive.ubuntu.com::cdimage/daily/current/warty-amd64.iso , adjust for your architecture.
[04:44] <cc> thanks, thanks
[04:44] <firemouth> What time of day is this room most busy?
[04:45] <goatboy> Mithrandir: yes
[04:45] <Mithrandir> goatboy: http://people.ubuntu.com/~tfheen/ -- you need to install nvidia-kernel-common first.
[04:46] <Mithrandir> goatboy: (and you need to load the nvidia kernel module by hand, or edit /etc/modules and change driver in your X config)
[04:46] <Mithrandir> please tell me if it works, if it does, this is going into the archive fairly quickly.
[04:47] <robertj> Okay, I'm sold on HAL
[04:47] <goatboy> alright.
[04:47] <Mithrandir> goatboy: you want the http://people.ubuntu.com/~tfheen/linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-amd64-k8_<IP_ADDRESS>.3-1_amd64.deb and http://people.ubuntu.com/~tfheen/nvidia-glx_1.0.6111-1ubuntu5_amd64.deb
[04:47] <Mithrandir> s/the//
[04:47] <goatboy> you'll be my hero if this just works.
[04:47] <robertj> I rm -rf ~/Trash to get rid of some entries I didn't have permissions too and the icon turned to empty ;)
[04:48] <bulvine> If I wipe and reload my WInxp it will over write the bootloader.  How can I get access back to ubuntu after installing XP again?
[04:48] <bulvine> do I need to install samba to access the ntfs partition?
[04:49] <bulvine> oppss hehe  not used to xchat  meant to close a chat and closed xchat
[04:50] <Mithrandir> bulvine: you don't need samba for accessing ntfs, no.
[04:53] <robertj> Stupid question, where do images go to show up on the wallpaper list?
[04:54] <sivang> robertj : somewhere your .gnome2 dir on ~
[04:54] <sivang> robertj : there should be another directory there, "wallpapers" or something
[04:54] <Tzalidar> bulvine: what is it exactly that you want to do?
[04:54] <robertj> I dont see one, I'll just give up and use the gui
[04:57] <Mithrandir> goatboy: does it work? :)
[04:57] <goatboy> Mithrandir: grabbing it over slow dialup :/
[04:58] <goatboy> Mithrandir: I'll let you know in like 20 minutes :)
[04:58] <Mithrandir> goatboy: ok :)
[05:03] <iainm> hey folks. I just installed warty from a daily I downloaded a few days ago. While the installer was running after booting from the CD, the monitor switched on and off throughout the installation. After the reboot and loading from disc, the problem went away. Is there anyone here who'd like to work on it now, I should I bugzilla it?
[05:04] <Mithrandir> iainm: our installer hacker is away atm, so you should probably file a bug in bugzilla about it.
[05:04] <Mithrandir> it sounds very weird, though.
[05:05] <iainm> it is. The OSD thingy goes away as well - it looked like it was switching in and out of power save, so it's all quite unfathomable to me.
[05:06] <Mithrandir> iainm: there might be some boot options that can be twiddled to turn off those things during the install, I don't know.
[05:09] <iainm> which component should I file it for? base-installer, debian-installer and ubuntu-base seem like the potential candidates, but I'm not sure which one is most appropriate.
[05:09] <Mithrandir> debian-installer, probably.
[05:15] <jayeola> how often is the kernel updated?
[05:15] <jazzka> hi!
[05:15] <whattzzz-uppp> what is the most stable ubuntu daily release ?
[05:15] <jazzka> I selected vesa during installation, but I prefer VGA
[05:16] <jazzka> how can I solve it?
[05:16] <jayeola> i've d-loaded a cd a month ago and just wondering if it worth d-loading again
[05:16] <goatboy> whoo!
[05:16] <goatboy> Mithrandir: looks like it's all working.
[05:17] <Mithrandir> goatboy: goodie, now I just have to make sure I didn't break anything wrt the i386 modules.
[05:18] <whattzzz-uppp> is it okay for me to download the current ubuntu release (as it has wvdial) or to downloard warthy released on september? which is the most stabel one ?
[05:19] <Mithrandir> whattzzz-uppp: both should be stable, but I'd go for the daily one, it should have a bunch of fixes you might want.
[05:19] <jazzka> ubuntu uses x.org or xfree?
[05:19] <jazzka> I want to change to vga!! please help!!!
[05:20] <whattzzz-uppp> xfree modified one
[05:20] <whattzzz-uppp> jazzka edit XFconfig-4 and change the driver from vesa to your graphic card
[05:21] <Treenaks> whattzzz-uppp: better to use dpkg-reconfigure for that
[05:21] <whattzzz-uppp> Treenaks yes that automates a lot of things
[05:21] <Treenaks> whattzzz-uppp: and report a bug with http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingXautoconfiguration as a guideline
[05:24] <dextur> Say is there a file list for the live CD somewhere?
[05:26] <iainm> I've got a few partitions on /dev/hdc which have data I want to get at. Is there a shiny gui way to mount them, or should I just do it the traditional way?
[05:28] <cc> mount -t smbfs //<IP_ADDRESS>/share /mnt/myshare doesn't work! i replaced smbfs with cifs, but no go either
[05:29] <cc> this on ppc
[05:29] <Tzalidar> cc: you can browse the network in gnome :)
[05:29] <Red_Menace> I'm having trouble getting Ubuntu to dual boot with WindowsXP.   My WindowsXP partition is an NTFS partition on hdb3.
[05:29] <cc> Tzalidar: i know, but sometimes its convenient to have the mp3 collection mounted
[05:30] <Tzalidar> that is correct :)
[05:30] <Tzalidar> im an irc noob, how do you write "to" someone?
[05:30] <Tzalidar> like you did
[05:30] <cc> Tzalidar: just ave nickname with a :. easier to have nic<tab> and type
[05:30] <cc> where <tab> is the tab key
[05:31] <Red_Menace> I tried to add this entry to my /boot/grub/menu.1st to make WindowsXP boot, but it won't work: title		WindowsXP
[05:31] <Red_Menace> rootnoverify(hd0,3)
[05:31] <Red_Menace> makeactive
[05:31] <Red_Menace> chainloader	+1
[05:31] <fred87> anyone know if ubunto works with UML?
[05:32] <fred87> *ubuntu
[05:33] <TheMonoTone> rootnoverify(hd0,3) should probably be hd(1,3) if its on the second hard drive
[05:33] <TheMonoTone> er (hd1, 3)
[05:33] <Tzalidar> cc: okay
[05:34] <TheMonoTone> Red_Menace, also, counting starts at 0, so it would likely be (hd1, 2)
[05:34] <Red_Menace> TheMonoTone: I kind of thought so too, but looking at my menu.1st file, all my linux partitions are listed as (hd0,X)
[05:34] <TheMonoTone> actually no, your rright (hd1,3)
[05:35] <Tzalidar> when i mounted samba shares i had to use mount -t smbfs -o username=<username> //<host>/<share> /mnt/<mountpoint>
[05:35] <Tzalidar> then it asked me for the password
[05:35] <Red_Menace> TheMonoTone: Ok, I'll try that
[05:35] <TheMonoTone> yeah, might as well give it a shot
[05:36] <Red_Menace> TheMonoTone: I forgot to mention I don't actually have a drive installed as hda.  That IDE connector is free for my removable hard-drive.
[05:36] <TheMonoTone> hmm...
[05:37] <dextur> Is there a list of what packages are installed in the default from 1 cd install somewhere?
[05:37] <TheMonoTone> you should probably look up on how grub counts drives
[05:37] <TheMonoTone> I don't know off the top of my head
[05:37] <Red_Menace> TheMonoTone: Ok, thanks for the help
[05:44] <dextur> say is tvtime or another tv watching app included in the live cd?
[05:46] <iainm> dextur, have a read of http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement
[05:48] <bulvine> man.  working with Linux is taxing
[05:51] <defendguin> bulvine, in what way?
[05:54] <xespilce> ls
[05:55] <superted> porn/
[05:55] <riley> why would a host on a samba workgroup show up with smbclient -L localhost, but not when I try smbclient -L <host name>
[05:58] <dextur> iainm, Thanks. So no TV viewing app at all on the live cd then?
[05:59] <jazzka> can I install packages from debian in ubuntu?
[06:00] <superted> yes
[06:00] <iainm> dextur, I know nothing more than that that wiki page has the lists of what appears where.
[06:01] <jazzka> superted, how?
[06:01] <superted> jazzka: add a rep in apt.conf
[06:01] <superted> err, sources.list
[06:02] <superted> jazzka: what program are you looking for?
[06:02] <jazzka> mldonkey, and amsn also
[06:03] <superted> both are in the universal reps
[06:03] <superted> comment out the lines in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:03] <jazzka> ok, I'll see
[06:04] <jazzka> but, those packages are unsupported, that doesnt sound ok....
[06:04] <superted> i think it's better than getting them from a debian rep though
[06:06] <paxetil> whats the default root password in ubuntu ? it didnt asked me in installation process
[06:07] <jazzka> apt-cache search returns an error after uncommenting those lines
[06:07] <xespilce> :'(
[06:07] <Treenaks> paxetil: did you read the FAQ
[06:07] <SamBozo> anyone get vmware workstation 4.5.2 vmware-config.pl to compile it's modules on ubuntu ?
[06:07] <Treenaks> jazzka: apt-get update first
[06:08] <sertmann> why are the kernel headers and sources not aviable via apt, i want my nvidia drivers
[06:08] <juliusmalch> hello, I-ve download ubuntu livecd
[06:08] <paxetil> Treenaks, no. What FAQ ? in ubuntu webpage ?
[06:08] <WW_> paxetil: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-15.5722653677
[06:08] <juliusmalch> but nautilus does not start
[06:08] <paxetil> thx WW_
[06:09] <SamBozo> anyone get vmware workstation 4.5.2 vmware-config.pl to compile it's modules on ubuntu with <IP_ADDRESS>-3-k7 kernel ?
[06:11] <paxetil> its said that using root in net or irc is unsafe, isnt unsafe using user with root privileges ?
[06:11] <paxetil> its almost same thing
[06:14] <vincent> miam! http://www.es.gnome.org/~telemaco/
[06:19] <mumart> Any comments on setting UDMA for cdrom/dvd drives?
[06:21] <tom_cat> hello, how to install Midnight Commander (MC) on Ubuntu ?
[06:22] <Treenaks> tom_cat: apt-get install mx
[06:22] <Treenaks> mc
[06:27] <juliusmalch> is it possible to install ubuntu from the livecd?
[06:27] <paxetil> ubuntu uses, stable/testing/unstable ?
[06:28] <tom_cat> Treenaks:  please look at:
[06:28] <tom_cat> root@homenetwork:/home/myubuntu # apt-get install mc
[06:28] <tom_cat> Reading Package Lists... Done
[06:28] <tom_cat> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[06:28] <tom_cat> E: Couldn't find package mc
[06:28] <Treenaks> tom_cat: do you have universe in your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[06:29] <tom_cat> universe, what is this ?
[06:29] <mumart> tom_cat: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-09-30.5359349801
[06:29] <WW_> tom_cat: also: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[06:30] <tom_cat> well, let me have look at those !
[06:30] <juliusmalch> anyone?
[06:35] <tom_cat> mumart, WW_: It works! Thanks a lot!
[06:35] <andred> What a good way to disable services from starting at bootup, but still allowing oneself to easily turn it back on (so not removing the init scripts completely) update-rc.d only allows to remove stuff as far as I know, not disable.
[06:35] <WW_> I installed ubuntu from the preview release, and I've been upgrading regularly.  Occasionally a new metapackage appears, and I can't tell if I need to install it.  For example, today I see a new package called "ubuntu-desktop".  Should I install this?
[06:37] <iainm> Computer->System Configuration->Time and Date is telling me that I need to run "NTP support in the system". I assume that means installing ntp-simple?
[06:38] <mumart> andred: I usually just delete the symlinks out of the runlevel dirs rcX.d. It's easy to put them back in when you need them.
[06:38] <mumart> I'm surprised ubuntu doesn't have some sort of runlevel editor built in.
[06:39] <andred> mumart, Yeah, I'd like one.
[06:55] <goatboy> Mithrandir: small problem.
[06:55] <goatboy> nvidia-settings from apt just segfaults.
[06:56] <goatboy> extracting nvidia-settings from the nvidia installer seems to work though, so it isn't a driver issue.
[06:58] <Mithrandir> goatboy: ok, so nvidia-settings is broken -- it's not part of the packages, I'm working on, but definitely something that should be fixed.
[06:58] <joshua> hi
[07:00] <Mithrandir> goatboy: reproduced, btw.
[07:00] <swoon> hi goatboy, I finally got <IP_ADDRESS>-3 k8 installed, and its headers (i think) and I just tried to install the nvidia driver... I got this error: gcc version-check failed: ./usr/src/nv/conftest.sh line:1 cc: command not found ... ?
[07:01] <goatboy> Mithrandir: cool cool, should I bugzilla it?
[07:02] <swoon> goatboy: it also says: if you know what you are doing and want to ignore the gcc version check select no to continue installation
[07:02] <Mithrandir> goatboy: I'll handle it
[07:02] <Jack_Malmostoso> Hi there everybody
[07:02] <goatboy> swoon: that means you don't have gcc installed, but if you wait a bit packages are coming.
[07:03] <Jack_Malmostoso> Just came in to say how great the livecd is
[07:03] <Jack_Malmostoso> I am using it right now
[07:06] <Jack_Malmostoso> bye guys
[07:08] <swoon> goatboy: packages coming today? I dont mind installing gcc... I allways find that I need to compile something sooner or later anyways
[07:08] <swoon> I cant really wait long... need it working todya..
[07:08] <swoon> goatboy: could you tell me what package to install exactly?
[07:08] <swoon> can someone ping me pls?
[07:08] <swoon>
[07:08] <swoon>
[07:08] <joshua> goatboy... I was lagging, did I miss anything you said?
[07:08] <swoon_> i may still be lagging...
[07:09] <swoon_> do I just need to install the "gcc" package?
[07:09] <swoon_> ...
[07:10] <swoon_> or do I want gcc-3.4?
[07:11] <Treenaks> swoon_: you want build-essential
[07:12] <goatboy> swoon_: these aren't tested, but you can try http://people.ubuntu.com/~tfheen/linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-amd64-k8_<IP_ADDRESS>.3-1_amd64.deb and http://people.ubuntu.com/~tfheen/nvidia-glx_1.0.6111-1ubuntu5_amd64.deb
[07:12] <goatboy> swoon_: you'll also need nvidia-kernel-common from apt.
[07:12] <swoon_> thank you goatboy
[07:12] <swoon_> ok great
[07:13] <leonel> Eit !     Can I install Ubuntu live CD ?
[07:13] <swoon_> and do I need any particular build-essential? or just whatever there is in the library?
[07:13] <goatboy> swoon_: if those packages work you wont need build-essential.
[07:13] <nitin> does anyone know how to get a radeon 9700 pro working with ubuntu?
[07:13] <nitin> with 3d and all
[07:14] <goatboy> nitin: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:15] <nitin> ty
[07:15] <nitin> and that should get all features of it up and working?
[07:15] <Tzalidar> goatboy: dont you need to add more things to the XF86Config?
[07:15] <Tzalidar> http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html
[07:16] <Tzalidar> that guide suggests you to add some other things as well
[07:17] <nitin> that one is not ubuntu specific Tzalidar
[07:17] <nitin> :)
[07:17] <nitin> \i like the 1st one
[07:17] <nitin> seems simple and the edit's say it works
[07:17] <Tzalidar> yeah i know :)
[07:17] <nitin> :)
[07:17] <Tzalidar> what i meant
[07:18] <Tzalidar> is that it suggest you to add more things to the config
[07:18] <nitin> oh yea anyone know of a program thats like dreamweaver for ubuntu
[07:18] <nitin> i mean linux
[07:18] <Tzalidar> quanta
[07:18] <Tzalidar> (semi)
[07:18] <nitin> quanta? hmm
[07:18] <Mithrandir> swoon_: I really want to get feedback on the packages on people.ubuntu.com/~tfheen, so please tell me. :)
[07:18] <Tzalidar> or bluefish
[07:19] <swoon_> Mithrandir: ok, the first gave errors, didnt write them down... sorry... but I need to url to the other again please?
[07:19] <absurdhero> ubuntu is so cool, i want to use it, but my debian box is perfect as it stands...
[07:19] <nitin> wow screenshots look awome
[07:19] <Mithrandir> swoon_: first, install nvidia-kernel-common, then http://people.ubuntu.com/~tfheen/nvidia-glx_1.0.6111-1ubuntu5_amd64.deb and http://people.ubuntu.com/~tfheen/linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-amd64-k8_<IP_ADDRESS>.3-1_amd64.deb
[07:20] <Tzalidar> nitnin:   :)
[07:20] <Tzalidar> nitin i meant :)
[07:20] <Tzalidar> i've used quanta some
[07:20] <Tzalidar> it is amazing with php
[07:20] <swoon_> Mithrandir: then install both? or just the second if the first doesntwork>
[07:22] <nitin> hmm i searched on package manager for quanta but i only find the 1.X version is there a way to get the 2.x bleeding version?
[07:23] <Tzalidar> the ati howto looks nice :)
[07:23] <Mithrandir> swoon_: you need both.
[07:23] <Tzalidar> nitin: the bleeding version is 3.3
[07:23] <Mithrandir> goatboy: thanks for spotting the nvidia-settings problem, I have a fix now. :)
[07:23] <nitin> wow
[07:23] <Tzalidar> :)
[07:23] <nitin> how would i get that~_
[07:23] <Tzalidar> nitin: quanta uses qt
[07:24] <goatboy> Mithrandir: you rock :)
[07:24] <Tzalidar> if you want to use something that uses gtk
[07:24] <Tzalidar> then you go with bluefish ;)
[07:24] <Tzalidar> i dunno if they have bluefish
[07:24] <Mithrandir> Tzalidar: it's in universe, iirc
[07:24] <nitin> anyway to get bleeding edge quanta with apt?
[07:24] <Tzalidar> Mithrandir: thanks :)
[07:24] <Tzalidar> what does iirc mean?
[07:24] <swoon_> whats bluefish?
[07:25] <nitin> its an ide
[07:25] <Tzalidar> ah web development application
[07:25] <nitin> for programmers
[07:25] <Tzalidar> yes ;)
[07:25] <|trey|> nitin: add universe to your sources.list... its there... but its not supported...
[07:25] <Tzalidar> bluefish or quanta?
[07:25] <nitin> quanta or bluefish
[07:25] <nitin> lol
[07:25] <nitin> ahah
[07:25] <Tzalidar> ;)
[07:25] <Tzalidar> LOL
[07:25] <swoon_> understood
[07:25] <nitin> i know quanta is there but im just trying to find the bleeding edge one in apt
[07:26] <|trey|> nitin: sid probably is has newest...
[07:26] <nitin> watever ill just install 1.x then
[07:26] <WW_> nitin: The package version of quanta in universe is 1:3.2.3-1.
[07:26] <swoon_> Mithrandir: both installed fine... do I need to do anything else before starting X ?
[07:27] <nitin> i dont see that
[07:27] <nitin> hmm
[07:27] <chrisz> i have a bootloader question..........
[07:27] <nitin> let me check me repositories
[07:27] <Tzalidar> you need to add universe
[07:27] <nitin> yea its added
[07:27] <chrisz> i'm running MDK10.0 & cooker
[07:27] <nitin> oh theres a mis'spelling in the url
[07:27] <nitin> lol
[07:27] <nitin> !
[07:27] <nitin> there we go
[07:27] <chrisz> i want to install ubuntu. when it gets to the bootloader install on ubuntu, is there an option not to install it?
[07:27] <Tzalidar> yup :)
[07:27] <|trey|> WW_: thats newest in Sid too  :)
[07:27] <Flatfoot> Hidy Ho
[07:27] <chrisz> i'd like to keep my MDK bootloader
[07:27] <chrisz> hey FX
[07:28] <Tzalidar> hmm i dunno if ill go with bluefish or quanta
[07:28] <Flatfoot> hey chrisz
[07:28] <|trey|> Tzalidar: Both are pretty good, try both.
[07:28] <Tzalidar> maybe i should try bluefish while im in a gtk environment anyway
[07:28] <nitin> i tried bluefish i think quanta might work better Tzalidar
[07:28] <absurdhero> Tzalidar try both
[07:28] <Tzalidar> yeah, ill do that
[07:28] <swoon_> goatboy / Mithrandir after install the two packages, is there anything I need to do before starting X ?
[07:28] <|trey|> but quanta will take longer to install
[07:28] <Tzalidar> ive used quanta some
[07:28] <nitin> bluefish is not really web dev spacific
[07:28] <absurdhero> i prefer bluefish myself, but I don't use any special editors any more
[07:28] <Mithrandir> swoon_: load the nvidia module (modprobe nvidia; you probably want to add it to /etc/modules as well) and run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ; select the nvidia (not nv) driver, make sure glx is enabled; dri and GLcore should be disabled.
[07:29] <Tzalidar> absurdhero: emacs guy ey? :)
[07:29] <absurdhero> :) how did you guess?
[07:29] <Tzalidar> ;)
[07:29] <Tzalidar> everyone who shuns ide's have seen the fine parts of emacs
[07:29] <nitin> i dunno ive just never gotten that close to emacs ~_~
[07:29] <nitin> even tho i use it alot
[07:29] <nitin> ..lol
[07:29] <Tzalidar> i'me a ide junkie
[07:29] <chrisz> anybody? bootloader for ubuntu........... is there an option during the install NOT to use the ubuntu bootloader?
[07:30] <nitin> uh
[07:30] <Tzalidar> i think so
[07:30] <nitin> hmm
[07:30] <nitin> when u start installation
[07:30] <absurdhero> admittedly, ive been using Dreamweaver at work, but emacs would solve so many of our problems
[07:30] <nitin> do the
[07:30] <nitin> advanced i nstallation
[07:30] <nitin> the
[07:30] <nitin> yea
[07:30] <Tzalidar> absurdhero ;)
[07:30] <nitin> instread of just hitting enter on install
[07:30] <chrisz> i'm running MDK & cooker right now. wanna try ubuntu, but not replace my MDK bootloader
[07:30] <Tzalidar> you can install the ubuntu bootloader in /boot
[07:30] <chrisz> i didn't see anything in the install info about having a choice with the bootloader
[07:30] <nitin> yea
[07:31] <Tzalidar> i got a question if i wanted to put it in MBR or in /boot
[07:31] <nitin> when it boots up with ch
[07:31] <nitin> cd
[07:31] <Tzalidar> or via MDK bootloader
[07:31] <nitin> give it the advanced install option
[07:31] <nitin> or watever
[07:31] <nitin> and it probably will
[07:31] <chrisz> advnaced install, gotcha
[07:31] <nitin> something like that
[07:31] <Tzalidar> i got the question with regular install
[07:31] <chrisz> oops. advanced
[07:31] <nitin> hit f2 f3 or watever
[07:31] <nitin> it will give u a list
[07:31] <nitin> of commands
[07:31] <chrisz> i can edit my MDK boot loader easy enough to boot ubuntu from there
[07:31] <nitin> yea
[07:32] <|trey|> Tzalidar: MDK Bootloader = GRUB too..
[07:32] <nitin> just test it out first
[07:32] <Tzalidar> yup :)
[07:32] <SolarHydro> Hello
[07:32] <nitin> im not 100% sure
[07:32] <chrisz> does ubuntu use lilo or grub? or does it have a preference? i use lilo
[07:32] <Tzalidar> |trey| ye i know ;)
[07:32] <nitin> grub
[07:32] <Tzalidar> grub
[07:32] <|trey|> chrisz: GRUB... no one uses LILO anymore...
[07:32] <Flatfoot> ubuntu used grub by default
[07:32] <chrisz> haha
[07:32] <nitin> yea
[07:32] <chrisz> i do
[07:32] <Tzalidar> except reiser4 junkies
[07:32] <SolarHydro> I'm running ubuntu liveCD: key question, can I increase screen resolution
[07:32] <nitin> lol
[07:32] <|trey|> chrisz: time to upgrade  :/
[07:32] <Tzalidar> the yoper guys use lilo ;)
[07:32] <chrisz> bah ;)
[07:32] <Tzalidar> because "its the only bootloader that boots reiser4"
[07:33] <absurdhero> is there a liveCD for PPC?
[07:33] <nitin> computer->system conf->screen solution
[07:33] <absurdhero> if so, how do you make it go "Live"?
[07:33] <chrisz> i don't use reiser4, so no biggie
[07:33] <SolarHydro> max is 1024
[07:33] <chrisz> thanks guys
[07:33] <nitin> ull have to edit the
[07:33] <nitin> XF config file
[07:33] <nitin> i guess
[07:33] <absurdhero> the installer came up when I ran the PPC CD
[07:33] <nitin> and then restart X
[07:33] <mumart> Grub is sooo much nicer than lilo ...
[07:33] <absurdhero> but grub doesn't support raw fs :(
[07:33] <Tzalidar> gah, how do i "pretend" in apt
[07:33] <SolarHydro> I'm a linux noob, dunno how to do that
[07:33] <nitin> edit /etc/XF86config and under monitor add some more resolutions
[07:33] <Tzalidar> like: emerge -pv quanta
[07:34] <nitin> ull see how to do it
[07:34] <mumart> absurdhero: Lilo doesn't, technically, support any filesystems.
[07:34] <|trey|> Tzalidar: apt-get -s <command> <pkg>
[07:34] <|trey|> simulate
[07:34] <absurdhero> mumart: :)
[07:34] <absurdhero> mumart: but it doesn't have to, its not powerful enough
[07:34] <nitin> yaya im starting up quanta!
[07:34] <Tzalidar> |trey| thanks ;)
[07:35] <SolarHydro> Tell me how to reach XFconfig
[07:35] <|trey|> SolarHydro: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[07:35] <nitin> /etc/X11/XF86config
[07:35] <mumart> absurdhero: Lilo has a limit on the size of the kernel and initrd doesn't it.
[07:35] <SolarHydro> where/how?
[07:36] <|trey|> SolarHydro: whatever editor you want.
[07:36] <nitin> soemthing like
[07:36] <Tzalidar> sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[07:36] <SolarHydro> Can I use OpenOffice for it?
[07:36] <nitin> hhaha
[07:36] <Tzalidar> if you wanna use nano and want to 'root' it ;)
[07:36] <nitin> damnit Tzalidar u beat me to it
[07:36] <|trey|> SolarHydro: or just do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and do it again
[07:36] <Tzalidar> sure did ;)
[07:36] <absurdhero> mumart: I don't know. but I do knowk that I want raw fs support in grub
[07:36] <nitin> damn quanta blocked me typing:)
[07:36] <SolarHydro> Sorry I'm a noob, can you guys talk me through that?
[07:36] <absurdhero> perhaps I should add it.. not that they would accept the patch
[07:37] <Tzalidar> nitin: ;)
[07:37] <swoon_> sorry Mithrandir but do I want to use the kernel framebuffer device interface or not?
[07:37] <nitin> SolarHydro, type sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 then go down to the monitor section and add resolutions like "1600x1400" then save and exit then hit cntl-backspace
[07:38] <SolarHydro> where do I type it?
[07:38] <nitin> teminal
[07:38] <SolarHydro> clarify
[07:38] <nitin> apps->system tools->terminal
[07:38] <SolarHydro> k
[07:38] <Tzalidar> is there a way to get qt apps use gtk themes
[07:39] <SolarHydro> aah, can't cut and paste
[07:39] <Tzalidar> i know that you can do the opposite
[07:39] <|trey|> SolarHydro: sure, sudo openoffice oowriter
[07:39] <chrisz> thanks agin folks. i'm sure i'll be back with other questions once i do the install.
[07:39] <goatboy> swoon_: no, you don't.
[07:39] <|trey|> Tzalidar: apt-get install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[07:40] <SolarHydro> OK I typed that in Terminal
[07:40] <|trey|> GTK uses QT themes that way...
[07:40] <Tzalidar> |trey| isn't that the opposice
[07:40] <Tzalidar> okay now i see
[07:40] <Tzalidar> i know that
[07:40] <SolarHydro> it now says: GNU nano 1.2.3 and the filename
[07:40] <Tzalidar> i wanna make qt apps use gtk themes :)
[07:41] <SolarHydro> what do I do next?
[07:41] <|trey|> Tzalidar: it will work from both... it just doesn't use GTK themes  :(
[07:42] <nitin> uh
[07:42] <SolarHydro> ...
[07:42] <nitin> what? it shouldnt
[07:42] <nitin> did u type in sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[07:42] <nitin> u should see the file now
[07:42] <SolarHydro> yes
[07:42] <SolarHydro> it shows me a filename
[07:42] <nitin> hmm
[07:42] <nitin> ok
[07:42] <nitin> exit
[07:43] <nitin> that
[07:43] <nitin> and type
[07:43] <nitin> ls /etc/X11/
[07:43] <nitin> tell me the name of the XF86config file
[07:43] <SolarHydro> did it, nothing happenend (I'm in terminal
[07:44] <SolarHydro> close terminal and restart?
[07:44] <|trey|> nitin: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4  is indeed the file...
[07:44] <SolarHydro> Talk me through step by step plz
[07:44] <|trey|> SolarHydro: what are you trying to do again?
[07:44] <nitin> hmm
[07:44] <nitin> od
[07:44] <nitin> dd
[07:44] <swim> is there anything in particular I need to install to get my touchpad on my laptop to work?
[07:44] <nitin> cdap
[07:44] <SolarHydro> Increase screen resolution
[07:44] <nitin> crap brb
[07:45] <swoon_> goatboy: crap I didnt see what it said before asking for keyboard model, should I leave it as it is? (pc104) ? im on a laptop...
[07:46] <SolarHydro> Max resolution offered is 1024*768 (I'm using ubuntu LiveCD)
[07:46] <goatboy> swoon_: leave as-is.
[07:47] <|trey|> SolarHydro: how big do you want?
[07:47] <SolarHydro> 1600 x 1200 preferably
[07:47] <_swoon_> goatboy: is there anything in particular I need to install to get my touchpad on my laptop to work?
[07:47] <goatboy> _swoon_: beats me, I've never had a laptop.
[07:48] <bborkk> Has anyone successfully compiled/installed drivers for an ATI FireGL T2 card?  I found this site http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html but it doesn't mention the T2 card.
[07:48] <SolarHydro> swoon; there seems to be a synaptics app in ubuntu, synaptics makes touchpads
[07:48] <bborkk> _swoon_: Which laptop do you have?
[07:48] <_swoon_> bborkk: I have a compaq r3000z
[07:48] <absurdhero> bborkk: I know some of the linux laptop resellers have boxes with fireGL
[07:49] <bborkk> _swoon_: Have you checked that the touchpad is enabled in the BIOS?
[07:50] <bborkk> absurdhero: What is a linux laptop reseller?
[07:50] <SolarHydro> trey: ideas?
[07:51] <bborkk> SolarHydro: I just joined... what are you trying to do?
[07:52] <SolarHydro> Trying to increase screen resolution
[07:52] <SolarHydro> The max it offers is 1024*768
[07:52] <bborkk> SolarHydro: What is 'it'?
[07:52] <SolarHydro> I'm on the LiveCD of ubuntu
[07:53] <|trey|> SolarHydro: if you know the Horiz and Virt Syncs, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and change it.
[07:53] <_swoon_> bborkk: Ive used in other distros... and have not touched the bios since...
[07:53] <_swoon_> bborkk: do I need to install synaptics or something?
[07:53] <swoon__> could someone kick swoon, and swoon_ ? Im laging insanley and restarted the app twice...
[07:53] <swoon__> irssi
[07:53] <Mithrandir> swoon__: they'll ping out eventually.
[07:53] <SolarHydro> I'm a linux noob, dunno how to do that, need someone to talk me through it
[07:53] <bborkk> SolarHydro: Do you mean Computer->System Preferences->Screen Resolution?
[07:53] <swoon__> bborkk: seems synaptic is already installed
[07:53] <|trey|> SolarHydro: you really don't, it walks you through it itself, just read.
[07:53] <swoon__> ok thanks Mithrandir ... btw could you help me getting my touchpad to work... synaptic is installed already...
[07:54] <SolarHydro> Computer->System Preferences->Screen Resolution? offers max 1024*768
[07:54] <|trey|> SolarHydro: no.
[07:54] <|trey|> SolarHydro: from command line... 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86'
[07:54] <SolarHydro> Actually it says desktop preferences
[07:55] <SolarHydro> where is command line?
[07:55] <SolarHydro> (I am a noob)
[07:55] <|trey|> SolarHydro: Applications > System tools > Terminal
[07:55] <bborkk> swoon: How do you know synaptic is installed?  Are you sure you're not looking at the package manager?
[07:55] <|trey|> Or Root Terminal
[07:55] <|trey|> that would work too, takes away need for "sudo"
[07:56] <SolarHydro> command not found :(
[07:56] <bborkk> SolarHydro: You can also right click anywhere on the desktop and choose "Open Terminal".
[07:56] <bborkk> |trey|: We might want to stick to sudo here.  :)
[07:56] <swoon__> bborkk: I did: apt-get install xfree86-driver-synaptics and it returned already newest version...
[07:57] <SolarHydro> sry did A type I am now in some kind of config app
[07:57] <|trey|> bborkk: why can't he use gksudo instead of sudo though?  :/
[07:57] <SolarHydro> select the desired X server it says
[07:57] <SolarHydro> is NV for nVidia?
[07:58] <|trey|> Yes, but its not the manufacturers...
[07:58] <SolarHydro> So do I click on that?
[07:58] <|trey|> blah... so yeah, its fps etc isn't good..   :/
[07:58] <bborkk> swoon__: Hmm.  Does your laptop also have one of those trackpoint devices?  Did your touchpad work at any time in the past?
[07:59] <SolarHydro> sigh: 'please enter the video card's bus identifier' ...
[07:59] <swoon___> did I miss anything?
[08:00] <swoon___> bborkk?
[08:00] <|trey|> SolarHydro: hit enter if you don't know the answer... you just want Horiz and Virt Sync's... I told you that!
[08:00] <swoon___> my mouse is out of batteries, and my touchpad isnt working... cant really use X...
[08:00] <swoon__> bborkk any ideas?
[08:00] <swoon__> sdfg
[08:00] <bborkk> swoon__: Did your touchpad ever work?
[08:00] <Treenaks> swoon__: go to the story, buy new batteris
[08:00] <Tzalidar> back
[08:01] <|trey|> And you need to select the new Screen Resolution, then restart X. (so log out and back in)
[08:01] <SolarHydro> going through menus...
[08:01] <swoon___> bborkk: not in ubuntu, but in other distros no problem
[08:01] <nitin> i wish they had dev-php for linux :(
[08:01] <Mithrandir> nitin: what do you mean?
[08:01] <bborkk> swoon__: Then it's not the BIOS.  Don't know what to say.  Sorry.
[08:01] <absurdhero> does anyone know if there is a PPC Live CD?
[08:01] <Mithrandir> absurdhero: no, there's not yet.
[08:01] <Tzalidar> ye what do you mean nitin ;)
[08:02] <SolarHydro> it's asking me questions about my keyboard now
[08:02] <swoon___> bborkk: has to be ubuntu...
[08:02] <nitin> dev-php is an ide for php developers on windows
[08:02] <|trey|> SolarHydro: damnit, I told you what to do  :/
[08:02] <nitin> its only for windows tho
[08:02] <Tzalidar> ahha ok
[08:02] <nitin> its just like dev-cpp
[08:02] <nitin> its soo good
[08:02] <nitin> :)
[08:02] <Tzalidar> i think that quanta is good with php
[08:02] <|trey|> SolarHydro: enless something else was wrong, keep hitting enter
[08:02] <SolarHydro> should I stop now?
[08:02] <nitin> but i use gnome
[08:02] <Tzalidar> it remembers your variables
[08:02] <Tzalidar> yes i know
[08:02] <nitin> quanta looks shit in gnome :(
[08:02] <Tzalidar> so you did go for bluefish? :)
[08:02] <nitin> lol
[08:03] <nitin> i tried it
[08:03] <SolarHydro> I struggled to get my French keyb to work, don't wanna mess it up
[08:03] <Tzalidar> yeah i know
[08:03] <nitin> its not bad
[08:03] <nitin> but it isnt really php specific
[08:03] <Tzalidar> you can make gtk use qt themes
[08:03] <Tzalidar> buth not the opposite
[08:03] <WW_> |trey|: Forgive the unrequested observation, but you sure could use a bigger dose of patience and empathy.
[08:03] <nitin> yea
[08:03] <nitin> damn
[08:03] <Tzalidar> i use jEdit for python
[08:03] <Tzalidar> anyone know a better python ide?
[08:03] <Tzalidar> or maybe jEdit doesn't qualify for an ide ;)
[08:03] <nitin> man we need agood ide...
[08:03] <nitin> lol
[08:03] <|trey|> WW_: hah... yes... or apathy... would be less frustrating with more apathy.
[08:04] <Mithrandir> Tzalidar: emacs? :)
[08:04] <Tzalidar> ;)
[08:04] <SolarHydro> well, i did OK on everything, the script ended, and nothing changed
[08:04] <Tzalidar> here comes the missionaries of the emacs church
[08:04] <Tzalidar> everyone i know who shun on ide's use emacs
[08:04] <swoon___> anyone have any problems getting their touchpad to work in ubuntu?
[08:04] <tck> i get an applet error upon entering the gnome desktop
[08:04] <tck> "Unable to acquire the monitor of the Trash directory."
[08:04] <|trey|> SolarHydro: you changed VirtSync, HorizSync, and Resolution, then logged out and back in?
[08:05] <Tzalidar> nitin: yup, ill go for a freshmeat search
[08:05] <tck> and the trash applet has disappeared ; any suggestions?
[08:05] <absurdhero> there is nothing wrong with an IDE, they just tend to blow. if someone makes a good one, let me know
[08:05] <|trey|> tck: put it back?
[08:05] <|trey|> tck: right click panel > add to panel  :)
[08:05] <SolarHydro> It never offered me the option of Vsynch/Hsynch
[08:05] <tck> um.. i tried that before on a laptop
[08:05] <SolarHydro> I haven't rebooted
[08:05] <tck> and then i get an error for each attempt
[08:05] <tck> i had like 5 or 6 applet erroes all saying the same thing
[08:06] <|trey|> SolarHydro: ugh... does for me... I have it ask me all questions though...
[08:06] <SolarHydro> So shall I do the procedure again?
[08:06] <Tzalidar> awsome;) 2. PHPEclipse
[08:06] <Tzalidar> PHP support for the Eclipse IDE Framework.
[08:07] <|trey|> You can dpkg-reconfigure debconf, set it to low priority, and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 again...
[08:07] <|trey|> If you're sure you didn't see it...
[08:07] <SolarHydro> I am sure
[08:07] <SolarHydro> but I chose NV on the assumption that was nVIDIA
[08:07] <|trey|> Ubuntu uses "High"... so asks less questions then I like...
[08:07] <SolarHydro> perhaps it wasn't
[08:08] <SolarHydro> well... I'll try it again some other day... this is tiresome
[08:08] <SolarHydro> I had a good impression of ubuntu
[08:08] <|trey|> SolarHydro: it is... but that doesn't change that it probably thinks your monitor sucks, or that you simply didn't have it try  :/
[08:08] <SolarHydro> Samsung 1100df
[08:09] <SolarHydro> 21'' low dot pitch
[08:09] <|trey|> SolarHydro: Umm, so it doesn't suck, doesn't mean X doesn't think it is...
[08:09] <SolarHydro> :)
[08:09] <|trey|> Horiz and Virt Sync dictate that...
[08:09] <swoon___> I wonder if my touchpad is not working because Im using ubunut-amd64 ? and it is using a 32bit module instead of 64?
[08:10] <SolarHydro> it makes me seasick to look at it in 1024*768
[08:10] <|trey|> SolarHydro: and thats why we are changing it...
[08:10] <fluxy> Hello everyone
[08:10] <SolarHydro> changing what?
[08:10] <|trey|> SolarHydro: Resolution... I think imma go and punch something...
[08:11] <SolarHydro> me too
[08:11] <fluxy> I've ordered some Ubuntu cd's some weeks ago, and am still waiting. Is that normal?
[08:11] <Tzalidar> get your monitor model and google for it's specifications
[08:11] <Tzalidar> then you add the horizontal and vertical frequenzies to the config
[08:11] <Tzalidar> then restart X
[08:11] <Tzalidar> then change your resoulution
[08:11] <swoon___> anyone running ubuntu on a laptop?
[08:11] <|trey|> Tzalidar: + add the resolutions to the list... yes  :)
[08:11] <absurdhero> does anyone know of any truly good laptops with a decent screen size? I can't find any
[08:11] <SolarHydro> allright I'll try it tomorrow
[08:12] <SolarHydro> Acer travelmate 800LCi has 1400*1050 res, very good
[08:13] <SolarHydro> Trey & co, thanks for attempt to help, bye
[08:13] <absurdhero> is it under 7lbs?
[08:13] <Tzalidar> |tre|: so it needs modelines?
[08:13] <absurdhero> ill look into it
[08:13] <swoon___> Mithrandir: know anything about touchpad with ubuntu? I cant get mine working...
[08:13] <Mithrandir> swoon___: should Just Work..
[08:13] <SolarHydro> should be around 7lbs
[08:13] <SolarHydro> dunno weight, it's my parent's
[08:14] <|trey|> Tzalidar: yes... Modes... but d-r is easier then pointing to the place in the file...
[08:14] <swoon___> Mithrandir: damn... mine doesnt, any ideas?
[08:14] <SolarHydro> bye all
[08:14] <Mithrandir> swoon___: can you drop the result of lsmod into a privmsg to me?
[08:15] <swoon___> Mithrandir: I dont know how to copy and paste from command only... Im not using X because the touchpad doesnt work... :(
[08:15] <|trey|> Mithrandir: Computer > System Config > Device Manager should allow you to load modules.
[08:16] <absurdhero> wow the travelmate 800 is under 6lbs
[08:16] <Mithrandir> swoon___: ew, ok.
[08:16] <absurdhero> and it looks like its pretty neat
[08:16] <|trey|> Mithrandir: no where to add modules via GUI is bad for n00bs  :(
[08:17] <Mithrandir> |trey|: I guess we'll have something like that for hoary.
[08:17] <Mithrandir> swoon___: try running modprobe psmouse.
[08:18] <|trey|> Mithrandir: :(
[08:18] <|trey|> It'll prolly get done eventually though... too logical to not happen  :)
[08:18] <Mithrandir> |trey|: Warty is too close to release that we're able to add something like that before release.
[08:19] <swoon___> Mithrandir: oh but I did look at lsmod, and I didnt see anything called synaptic in there... to load the module would I just "modprobe synaptic" ?
[08:19] <swoon___> hmm ok the synaptic module isnt called synaptic... wonder what its called, anyone?
[08:19] <WW_> Hey experts, is it normal for there to be symlinks in / to initrd.img, initrd.img.old, vmlinuz, and vmlinuz.old?
[08:20] <WW_> The actual files are in /boot
[08:20] <|trey|> WW_: yes
[08:20] <|trey|> if you have more then one kernel installed
[08:20] <Tzalidar> i am using warty preview release, but i wont need to download the image and reinstall, all i have to do is: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, right?
[08:20] <sri> is someone planning on packaging multisync?
[08:20] <Mithrandir> swoon___: try to just use psmouse
[08:21] <|trey|> Or you can just point GRUB at the actual images and not have the links... but getting rid of the excess appears to be a good idea  :/
[08:21] <|trey|> Certainly easier to manage symlinks then _always_ be changing the file itself...
[08:22] <Tzalidar> nitin: found a good ide yet? ;)
[08:22] <WW_> |trey|: OK, thanks.
[08:22] <swoon___> Mithrandir: what do you mean just use psmouse? I did modprobe it, and then go into X just now but it still didnt work...
[08:22] <|trey|> Eclipse, MonoDevelop, KDevelop are all good apparently... First two I would say are best to try  :)
[08:23] <Tzalidar> yeah ;)
[08:23] <Tzalidar> i like eclipse
[08:23] <sri> hrm. looks like the one from unstable works.
[08:24] <|trey|> sri: usually do... just might not run well of all archs...
[08:24] <nitin> nop
[08:24] <|trey|> s/of/on/
[08:24] <Tzalidar> how could i forget! www.gnomefiles.org :)
[08:25] <|trey|> 11 archs to SUPPORT, is a lot, plus another 2 archs, and 3 more kernels...
[08:28] <|trey|> SuperH likely won't make next release, but others stand a good change of being part of the next version of Debian (after Sarge)
[08:29] <|trey|> chance*
[08:29] <sri> |trey|: yeah, thats what I hear..this seems harmles as it doesn't  have that many dependencies
[08:29] <swoon___> crappy get one thing to work after 2 days... and another doesnt...
[08:31] <damienp> Hi, first sorry for my english, but where can i get the kernel-headers <IP_ADDRESS>-2-386, it's for the ubuntu 4.09 ... for installing eagle-usb
[08:31] <swoon___> does anyone know where th xf86 config file is?
[08:32] <Tzalidar> is there a good howto how to build ubuntu packages on your own
[08:32] <nitin> hey Tzalidar i found a pretty good one
[08:32] <sri> swoon___: /etc/X11
[08:32] <nitin> called screem
[08:32] <Mithrandir> swoon___: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[08:32] <nitin> looks pretty good
[08:32] <Tzalidar> is it in universe?
[08:32] <Mithrandir> swoon___: try to restart X
[08:32] <nitin> yea
[08:32] <Tzalidar> cool ;()
[08:32] <nitin> try it'
[08:32] <Tzalidar> need to check it out
[08:32] <nitin> yep
[08:33] <Tzalidar> was thinking of building gphpedit ;)
[08:33] <Tzalidar> found on www.gnomefiles.org
[08:34] <swoon___> Mithrandir: in the XF86Config file there is no mention of synaptics... shouldnt it be in there?
[08:35] <SamBozo> anyone get vmware workstation 4.5.2 vmware-config.pl to compile it's modules on ubuntu with <IP_ADDRESS>-3-k7 kernel ??
[08:35] <nitin> hmmh
[08:35] <nitin> let me look at hat
[08:35] <bborkk> swoon__: Yeah, I think it should be there.
[08:35] <nitin> ug its not in aopt
[08:35] <nitin> apt
[08:36] <bborkk> swoon__: I have a synaptics touchpad on my thinkpad... my XF86Config-4 file reads:
[08:36] <bborkk> Section "InputDevice"
[08:36] <bborkk>         Identifier      "Synaptics Touchpad"
[08:36] <bborkk>         Driver          "synaptics"
[08:36] <bborkk>         Option          "SendCoreEvents"        "true"
[08:36] <bborkk>         Option          "Device"                "/dev/psaux"
[08:36] <bborkk>         Option          "Protocol"              "auto-dev"
[08:36] <bborkk> EndSection
[08:37] <bborkk> Section "ServerLayout"
[08:37] <bborkk> 	Identifier	"Default Layout"
[08:37] <bborkk> 	Screen		"Default Screen"
[08:37] <bborkk> 	InputDevice	"Generic Keyboard"
[08:37] <bborkk> 	InputDevice	"Configured Mouse"
[08:37] <bborkk> 	InputDevice	"Synaptics Touchpad"
[08:37] <bborkk> EndSection
[08:37] <bborkk> swoon__: I hope this helps.
[08:38] <nitin> damn gphpedit looks good!
[08:38] <rvirani> anyone know why after I installed ubuntu on my ibook the screen just flickers where I am supposed to get a GDM login?
[08:38] <rvirani> vi works best for editing PHP
[08:39] <rvirani> well vim
[08:39] <Mithrandir> bborkk: is that on the wiki?  If not, could you add it?
[08:39] <rvirani> with syntax highlighting
[08:39] <nitin> ima use alien to convert the rpm
[08:39] <tom1> hi all .... anyone know, how can i mount my usb hdd like user ?
[08:39] <bborkk> rvirani: I think that's a known bug... not sure.  Check bugzilla.ubuntu.org
[08:40] <mario> any have a repository with Ubuntu's packages for mono 1.0.2 ?
[08:40] <swoon____> man my lagged nicks are not pinging out at all...
[08:40] <tom1> /dev/sda1       /media/usb-hd1  ntfs    defaults,noauto,unmask=000  0       0     .....it doesnt work for me
[08:40] <rvirani> bborkk: k thanks
[08:40] <bborkk> Mithrandir: I don't know if it's on the Wiki... where do you suggest to put it?
[08:40] <mhess> ubuntu is too good
[08:41] <GeosB> Hi
[08:41] <swoon___> Mithrandir: odd Im reading a file on a site that explaing how to edit the XF86 config file to add synaptics touchpad, and it has things a bit different than my current config file, for example it say to add Load "synaptics" in the module section, that isnt even there in my file...
[08:41] <Mithrandir> bborkk: under hardware support somewhere.
[08:41] <mhess> the only thing that bothers me with it is the lack of double buffering
[08:41] <GeosB> is there a auto java install to Ubuntu ?
[08:41] <bborkk> Anyone know why the fglrx drivers/configurers don't come with Ubuntu?
[08:41] <rvirani> heh
[08:41] <swoon____> also in my XF86config file it uses "synaptic" where on this wiki it says to use "synaptics" ...
[08:41] <rvirani> ubuntu.org is down I Think
[08:42] <bborkk> Non-fre?
[08:42] <nitin> its ubuntulinux.org
[08:42] <mhess> is there a way to use debian packages with ubuntu?
[08:42] <rvirani> lol
[08:42] <leonel> Eit !     Can I install Ubuntu live CD ?
[08:42] <bborkk> apt-get
[08:42] <rvirani> bugizlla.ubuntu.org is what was given
[08:42] <tom1> its good question  ..... are ati? drivers in kernel ?
[08:42] <goatboy> bborkk: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:42] <Mithrandir> bborkk: they're in restricted.
[08:42] <bborkk> rvirani: That was a bug. :)
[08:42] <mhess> i've been adding debian repositories and it wont read them
[08:42] <nitin> do refresh
[08:43] <nitin> gphpedit: error while loading shared libraries: liblinc.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[08:43] <nitin>  what library is that?
[08:43] <bborkk> goatboy: Thanks.
[08:43] <nitin> or package
[08:43] <nitin> ?
[08:45] <rvirani> I cant find it out of the 120 bugs
[08:45] <rvirani> hrm.
[08:45] <rvirani> mhess: maybe if it worked :E
[08:45] <rvirani> bborkk: i SURE hope they can fix it
[08:45] <rvirani> I bought my ibook to run linux on it
[08:45] <rvirani> gentoo had the same problem.
[08:46] <swoon____> anyone: what modules need to be loaded (showing in lsmod) so that synaptic runs?
[08:47] <nitin> gphpedit: error while loading shared libraries: libgtkscintilla2.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[08:47] <Tzalidar> yeah
[08:47] <nitin> what package do i need guys?
[08:47] <nitin> ?
[08:47] <Tzalidar> you have to download the library
[08:47] <nitin> which
[08:47] <Tzalidar> wait ;)
[08:47] <nitin> i installed libqscintilla3
[08:47] <Tzalidar> http://www.gphpedit.org/download/
[08:47] <Tzalidar> here
[08:47] <Tzalidar> where did you get gphpedit package?
[08:47] <zetor> Hello all!
[08:47] <Tzalidar> what did you think of screem?
[08:48] <Tzalidar> tryingi t out now
[08:48] <nitin> i thought it was ok
[08:48] <rvirani> screen ownz
[08:48] <nitin> but from the screenshots gphpdev looks good for php
[08:48] <nitin> i mean gphpedit
[08:48] <Tzalidar> okay i'm stuck!
[08:48] <Tzalidar> screem ruleZ :)
[08:48] <bborkk> rvirani: Did you actually find the bug on bugzilla?  I'm not certain it's there... just a flicker in my memory.
[08:48] <rvirani> nitin: got a url
[08:49] <rvirani> I heard Eclipse is good for PHP devel but I havent had the time to sit there and learn it
[08:49] <Tzalidar> mm yeah it looks good
[08:49] <nitin> url for what?
[08:49] <Tzalidar> eclipse is cool
[08:49] <rvirani> nitin: gphpdev
[08:49] <Tzalidar> http://www.gphpedit.org/download/
[08:49] <rvirani> Eclipse just reminds me of .NET
[08:49] <Tzalidar> only tarballZ
[08:49] <rvirani> because its overkill for what I need it for
[08:49] <nitin> i ment edit http://www.gphpedit.org/download/
[08:49] <Tzalidar> yeah
[08:50] <Tzalidar> did you build it from source?
[08:50] <tom1> how can i mount my usb hdd like user ? .... only root can does it
[08:50] <Tzalidar> or found a package?
[08:50] <Tzalidar> and i'm still looking for a package creation tutorial
[08:50] <nitin> nop im using alien to convert rpm to dpkg
[08:50] <Tzalidar> okay
[08:50] <nitin> type
[08:50] <nitin> "sudo alient package.rpm"
[08:50] <Tzalidar> alien --to-deb source target
[08:50] <nitin> and it will make the dpkg
[08:50] <Tzalidar> yes i know ;()
[08:50] <nitin> :
[08:50] <nitin> :)
[08:51] <Tzalidar> but im of the impression that it is better to build it from scratch if there is no distribution specific package for it
[08:51] <Tzalidar> does it work then?
[08:51] <nitin> not yet
[08:51] <Tzalidar> okay
[08:51] <Tzalidar> tell me if you get it to work
[08:51] <nitin> still installing packages
[08:51] <Tzalidar> but screem is very cool ;)
[08:51] <rvirani> screem or screen
[08:51] <Tzalidar> screem
[08:51] <Tzalidar> screen is a application for hmm
[08:51] <Tzalidar> like
[08:51] <Tzalidar> you ssh into a box
[08:52] <swoon____> yeay!   Any suggestions?
[09:12] <Tzalidar> i'm back ;)
[09:12] <nitin> hey how do i set up java
[09:12] <Tzalidar> lol :)
[09:12] <Tzalidar> easy
[09:12] <nitin> the java compiler and all
[09:12] <Tzalidar> go to sun
[09:12] <nitin> k
[09:12] <Tzalidar> download jdk-1.5.0
[09:13] <Tzalidar> chmod +x
[09:13] <Tzalidar> the installtion file
[09:13] <Tzalidar> preferably
[09:13] <Tzalidar> you change your dir to
[09:13] <Tzalidar> /usr/java
[09:13] <nitin> k
[09:13] <Tzalidar> before installing
[09:13] <Tzalidar> then it gets extracted
[09:13] <Tzalidar> den you add the environment variables
[09:13] <Tzalidar> and youre all set! :)
[09:14] <bulvine> can someone tell me the command to mount a SATA ntfs partition?
[09:14] <Tzalidar> hmm i should have dma on my cdrom, right?
[09:16] <nitin> lol i cant find jdk on sun.com
[09:16] <nitin> am i at the wrong site
[09:16] <Tzalidar> bulvine: mount -t ntfs -o ro,umask=0 /dev/sdx /mnt/windows
[09:16] <Tzalidar> java.sun.com
[09:16] <Tzalidar> its to the right
[09:16] <Tzalidar> where x is your drive followed by partition number
[09:17] <Tzalidar> e.g. /dev/sda1
[09:18] <fughidabo> hola
[09:18] <fughidabo> can anyone offer some quick support?
[09:18] <Tzalidar> just ask
[09:18] <bulvine> AHHHH   I dont knopw the root pw
[09:18] <Tzalidar> it's because it is scrambled
[09:18] <Tzalidar> sudo
[09:18] <Tzalidar> sudo and then mount
[09:18] <Tzalidar> when asked for pass
[09:18] <Tzalidar> type in your user pass
[09:19] <nic__> hi. I'm having trouble compiling wine, can anyone help?
[09:19] <Tzalidar> you can enable root
[09:19] <fughidabo> I downloaded the installation CD (warty-i386.iso) and tried to install ubuntu this morning - I get to the splash screen (that allows you to press F1 for help, or start the install) - after I press enter some stuff gets loaded...but I get a nice black screen
[09:20] <fughidabo> so I never see the initial installation screen
[09:20] <nic__> getting the error:  bitblt.c:27:27: X11/Intrinsic.h: No such file or directory...then various others. I assume it means I'm missing a package I need, but can you advise me what it could be?
[09:21] <bulvine> I dont ever remember setting up a root PW in ubun tu
[09:21] <Tzalidar> that is because ubuntu uses sudo for administrative tasks
[09:21] <nitin> would j2sdk-1_4_2 work?
[09:21] <fughidabo> i tried to disable some of the installation options specified in the help section with no luck
[09:21] <Tzalidar> yes, but i recommend you to use 1.5
[09:21] <nitin> its a self extracting bin
[09:21] <Tzalidar> since it is stable ;)
[09:21] <nitin> mm
[09:21] <Tzalidar> and it is much better than 1_4
[09:21] <bulvine> tza   it wont let me map unless im logged in as root
[09:22] <Tzalidar> just type
[09:22] <Tzalidar> sudo
[09:22] <Tzalidar> sudo <command>
[09:22] <fughidabo> are there any reasons as to why the installation will not start?
[09:22] <Tzalidar> sudo mount -t ntfs -o ro,umask=0 /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows
[09:22] <Tzalidar> when asked for password
[09:22] <Tzalidar> just type your user password
[09:23] <bulvine> mount point does not exist
[09:23] <Tzalidar> yes
[09:23] <Tzalidar> you first need to create /mnt/windows
[09:23] <Tzalidar> sudo mkdir /mnt/windows
[09:23] <Tzalidar> or whatever dir that you want to mount the ntfs partition in
[09:25] <bulvine> mount :  special device .dev/sd1 does not exist
[09:25] <fughidabo> is it possible that the installation cd is not communicating with my ati 9800 pro???
[09:26] <nitin> yes
[09:26] <nitin> lol
[09:26] <nitin> those chipsets dont usually just work
[09:26] <nitin> u have to sethtem up
[09:26] <nitin> set them *
[09:26] <nitin> those are really new'
[09:26] <nitin> :)
[09:26] <nitin> just like me radeon 9700 pro
[09:26] <fughidabo> ok so what install options would you recommend so i can get it going?
[09:26] <nitin> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:26] <nitin> uh
[09:27] <nitin> dunno
[09:27] <nitin> i havent installed ubuntu on my desktop ye
[09:27] <fughidabo> oh
[09:27] <nitin> tbut that is the page after u install ubuntu
[09:27] <nitin> to set up ur card
[09:27] <nitin> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:27] <fughidabo> lol well that doesnt help
[09:27] <nitin> but
[09:27] <Tzalidar> bulvine: /dev/sda1 is just an example
[09:27] <nitin> that makes no sense
[09:27] <mhess> are there good drivers for the Rage Pro 128?
[09:27] <nitin> the installer
[09:27] <nitin> the installer isnt in X
[09:27] <mhess> the "r128" driver is flakey
[09:27] <Tzalidar> bulvine: where does your ntfs partition lie?
[09:27] <nitin> so how doesnt it not work
[09:27] <fughidabo> yeah..it just goes to a blank screen :-/
[09:27] <nitin> hmm
[09:27] <nitin> thts just weird
[09:28] <nitin> hmm
[09:28] <nitin> check the options u can pass
[09:28] <Tzalidar> that is really strange
[09:28] <nitin> try the
[09:28] <nitin> no acipic
[09:28] <nitin> option
[09:28] <Tzalidar> i can install with my radeon9700
[09:28] <nitin> and the
[09:28] <fughidabo> ive tried several of them with no success
[09:28] <nitin> smp
[09:28] <jacob> Is there a howto on how to install the NVidia binary driver?
[09:28] <nitin> one
[09:28] <Tzalidar> yep
[09:28] <nitin> hmm
[09:28] <Tzalidar> jacob: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:29] <jacob> Tzalidar, thanks
[09:30] <fughidabo> what is also wierd is taht the LiveCD works perfectly....but the installer doesnt :-/
[09:30] <nitin> weird
[09:30] <bulvine> AHHH  permission denied
[09:30] <Tzalidar> jacob: glad to help ;)
[09:30] <Tzalidar> bulvine: what now?
[09:31] <bulvine> when I try to access the folder Windows it tell me access denied
[09:31] <Tzalidar> did you give it the option "umask=0" ?
[09:31] <Tzalidar> umount /mnt/win
[09:31] <bulvine> umm no    I took that out cause I kept getting an error when I used it
[09:31] <Tzalidar> ok
[09:31] <coe> Hi. I just installed Ubuntu and have a question. How do I get the Gnome sound to work?
[09:31] <bulvine> my bad
[09:32] <bulvine> unmount /mnt/windows
[09:32] <Tzalidar> sudo mount -t ntfs -o ro,user,exec /dev/sdx /mnt/windows
[09:32] <Tzalidar> umount
[09:32] <Tzalidar> not unmount
[09:32] <bulvine> uppsss  no in the terminal  :)
[09:32] <coe> The sound in Totem works when i play MP3s and videos
[09:32] <bulvine> DOH!   my bad again
[09:33] <bulvine> ok  unmounted
[09:33] <Tzalidar> coe: i alltso had some trouble with that, although i dont remember exactly how i solved it :/
[09:33] <bulvine> had to use sudo again
[09:33] <Tzalidar> oh, i forgot ;)
[09:34] <coe> Tzalidar: That's too bad :-( I'll keep working on it.
[09:34] <Tzalidar> coe: do you use alsA?
[09:34] <coe> Tzalidar, Yes
[09:34] <bulvine> this worked  but lost access sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows
[09:35] <Tzalidar> that mount is dangerous
[09:35] <Tzalidar> because then you have write access
[09:35] <Tzalidar> and ntfs write is very unstable
[09:35] <bulvine> I need to write
[09:35] <Tzalidar> coe: install libesd-alsa0
[09:35] <Tzalidar> and then you need to change some keys in gconf
[09:36] <Tzalidar> bug begin with installing that
[09:36] <bulvine> I have a driver  "mpegport.sys causeing my XP to keep restarting.  I need to rename the file so it doesnt get loaded
[09:36] <Tzalidar> okay
[09:36] <bulvine> other wise its reloaded time again
[09:36] <coe> Tzalidar, I'll try that. Thanks
[09:36] <[photon] > has anyone had any luck with installing x.org on ubuntu?
[09:36] <bulvine> I have reload time
[09:36] <bulvine> have= hate
[09:36] <Tzalidar> oh, a nasty reboot loop
[09:37] <Tzalidar> a friend of mine had one once
[09:37] <bulvine> yeah  MS strikes again
[09:37] <Tzalidar> and it got fixed by nuking the registry
[09:37] <Tzalidar> and then inserting one from a restore point
[09:37] <bulvine> dam decrypter drivers
[09:37] <swim> ah is there anyway to get nautilus to show full paths, and to show a toolbar with go up one level and regular stuff like that?
[09:37] <Tzalidar> i recommend
[09:37] <Tzalidar> that you use the repair console
[09:37] <Tzalidar> since i'm not sure how safe ntfs write is
[09:37] <almostlucky> Is there somewhere I can get a lame package? I want to encode to mp3, and sound juicer tells me I do not have the encoder installed
[09:37] <zugzwang> anyone managed to get wine compiled? It complains at a lack of "X11/Intrinsic.h" for me - and I don't know what package that header is in
[09:38] <bulvine> I would but XP doesnt work in repair mode with my SATA drive
[09:38] <Tzalidar> coe: tell me when you have installed that
[09:38] <Tzalidar> bulvine :/
[09:38] <bulvine> all i was to do is rename or delete that file
[09:38] <Tzalidar> why not encode to ogg :)
[09:38] <Tzalidar> okay
[09:38] <coe> Tzalidar, Done. It removed "libesd0" in the process
[09:38] <Tzalidar> okay
[09:39] <Tzalidar> applications->system tools->config editor
[09:39] <Tzalidar> i have swedish translation so im not 100% sure about the path :)
[09:39] <bulvine> if Linux supported my Capture card and had better DVD creating software I wouldnt need Windows at all
[09:39] <coe> Tzalidar, Okay.. I have danish
[09:40] <coe> Tzalidar, Okay, i'm in there.
[09:40] <bborkk> Where's tuxracer?  apt-get install tuxracer says that it can't find the package.
[09:40] <Tzalidar> coe: hmm come to think of it, i think i only downloaded that
[09:40] <Tzalidar> coe: and then i changed the gstreamer keys
[09:41] <Tzalidar> coe: search for "osssink"
[09:41] <Tzalidar> change osssink to alsasink
[09:41] <bulvine> so tza   is there a way to access file and rename it?
[09:42] <Tzalidar> bulvine: you could mount your ntfs partition with -o rw
[09:42] <Tzalidar> then you could rename the file
[09:42] <Tzalidar> or delete it
[09:42] <Tzalidar> but i'm not sure how stable ntfs write is
[09:42] <bulvine> worth a shot since its dead now anyways
[09:42] <bulvine> whats the command line on that again?
[09:42] <Tzalidar> okay ;) good luck! :)
[09:42] <Tzalidar> to mount?
[09:43] <Tzalidar> or to rename the file?
[09:43] <coe> Tzalidar, I have a key named esdsink.. SHould I change that
[09:43] <bulvine> yes sir
[09:43] <Tzalidar> or to delete de file?
[09:43] <Tzalidar> yes
[09:43] <Tzalidar> you should rename it to alsa
[09:43] <bulvine> umm  both would be good   :)
[09:43] <Tzalidar> alsasink
[09:43] <Tzalidar> okay
[09:43] <bulvine> cuz you duh man
[09:43] <Tzalidar> sudo rm /mnt/windows/<path to file>/<file
[09:43] <Tzalidar> removes <file
[09:44] <Tzalidar> sudo mv /mnt/windows/<pathtofile>/<file /mnt/windows/pathtofile>/<someohterfile>
[09:44] <Tzalidar> renames <file to <someotherfile>
[09:44] <joh_> is gst_plugin_get_list removed in 0.8?
[09:44] <Tzalidar> coe: you may have to restart alsa or esound or something
[09:44] <joh_> wrong channel, sorry
[09:45] <Tzalidar> nitin: how is java going?
[09:45] <coe> Tzalidar, I have changed the key.. Restarting ALSA as we speak
[09:46] <Tzalidar> okay
[09:46] <Tzalidar> i think that it was that i did to get gnome sounds working
[09:46] <Tzalidar> or at least totem sound working
[09:46] <bulvine> do i need to mount something again
[09:46] <Tzalidar> you need to mount your windows partition
[09:47] <Tzalidar> coe: i think that you need to relogin from gdm
[09:47] <bulvine> cmd?
[09:47] <Tzalidar> coe: or restart esound somehow
[09:47] <bulvine> pretty please
[09:47] <Tzalidar> sudo mount -t ntfs -o rw,user,exec /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows
[09:47] <Tzalidar> if mounted, sudo umount /mnt/windows
[09:48] <Tzalidar> maybe exec is unneccesary
[09:48] <Tzalidar> you could rename the file with nautilus also
[09:49] <bulvine> gettin that permission erro with that one again
[09:50] <Tzalidar> hmm
[09:50] <Tzalidar> adding user as a option should give you permissions on it
[09:51] <Tzalidar> :D
[09:51] <Tzalidar> calm down
[09:51] <Tzalidar> have you successfully mounted the ntfs partition?
[09:52] <bborkk> Don't worry... he won't need the PC.  I think Ubuntu runs on his abacus.
[09:52] <bulvine> I tired to mount it and got tyhe permission error
[09:52] <Tzalidar> okay
[09:53] <Tzalidar> hmm but if you sudo it you have permission to mount it
[09:53] <Tzalidar> strange...
[09:53] <Tzalidar> have you unmounted it
[09:53] <Tzalidar> coe: did you get gnome sounds?
[09:53] <coe> Tzalidar, That worked perfect.. Thank you :-)
[09:53] <bulvine> yes  per your prior instructions
[09:53] <Tzalidar> coe: glad to help ;)
[09:53] <Tzalidar> okay
[09:53] <Tzalidar> so: ls /mnt/windows
[09:53] <Moof> I'm tryign to avoid ubuntu loading the bluetooth module at startup
[09:53] <bulvine> I get the good problems
[09:53] <Tzalidar> returns nothing
[09:53] <Tzalidar> hold on a sec
[09:55] <sivang> does anybody know how to duplicate CD in GNOME?
[09:55] <Tzalidar> try this: sudo mount -t ntfs -o rw,users,umask=0222 /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows
[09:55] <Tzalidar> do you get the permissions error when you try to mount it?
[09:55] <Tzalidar> or when you try to delete/rename the file?
[09:56] <coe> I'm really impressed with Ubuntu. If they keep it up it see great things ahead for this distro
[09:56] <Tzalidar> ;)
[09:56] <Tzalidar> i am also very impressed by it
[09:56] <Tzalidar> sleek default interface
[09:56] <Tzalidar> with /home on panel and stuff
[09:56] <Tzalidar> trash can in bottom right corner :)
[09:57] <bulvine> mount :  special device .dev/sd1 does not exist
[09:57] <Tzalidar> okay
[09:57] <Moof> bulvine: /dev/sd1
[09:57] <Tzalidar> bulvine: it needs to be /dev/sda1
[09:57] <coe> Yes.. It's near perfect and the fact that it's Debian based is just the icing on the cake
[09:57] <bulvine> mount :  special device /dev/sd1 does not exist   (type o )
[09:57] <Tzalidar> bulvine: type /dev/sda1
[09:58] <Tzalidar> /dev/sda1 means
[09:58] <Tzalidar> "first partition on the first SATA drive
[09:58] <bulvine> onm  says already mounted or is busy
[09:58] <Tzalidar> okay
[09:58] <Tzalidar> ls /mnt/windows
[09:58] <Tzalidar> does that give you output?
[09:58] <bulvine> permission denied
[09:59] <Tzalidar> sudo ls /mnt/windows
[09:59] <bulvine> I PC wont put out   :)
[09:59] <Tzalidar> sudo umount /mnt/windows
[09:59] <Tzalidar> note: umount, not unmount
[09:59] <Moof> anyone know how the modules startup sequence wrok? I'm tryign to avoid ubuntu loading a bluetooth module that oopses itt
[10:00] <bulvine> oo oo  mister kotter  that gave me a list
[10:01] <Tzalidar> bulvine: sudo chmod 777 /mnt/windows
[10:01] <Tzalidar> mount it
[10:02] <tortoise__> totem keeps giving me the error 'could not get/set settings from/on resource, anyone know why??
[10:02] <bulvine> read only file system
[10:02] <Tzalidar> sudo cd /mnt/windows
[10:03] <bulvine> sudo CD command unknown
[10:03] <Tzalidar> w00t
[10:03] <Tzalidar> cd with small letters
[10:03] <bulvine> was small
[10:04] <toyowheelin> bulvine, sudo su than do the operations
[10:04] <Tzalidar> good one :)
[10:04] <Tzalidar> i didnt know that one ;)
[10:05] <Tzalidar> sudo su
[10:05] <Tzalidar> umount /mnt/windows
[10:05] <x4m> sudo su -
[10:05] <tortoise__> sudo -s
[10:05] <Tzalidar> mount -t ntfs -o rw,umask=0,user /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows
[10:05] <Tzalidar> i cant belive that ms doesnt have a repair that work with sata
[10:06] <Tzalidar> how can they get away with that?
[10:06] <bulvine> in in the folder and I see the file
[10:06] <toyowheelin> chkdsk
[10:06] <toyowheelin> Tzalidar,
[10:06] <Tzalidar> yeah?
[10:06] <toyowheelin> chkdsk dont work on sata?
[10:06] <guptan> can ubuntu live cd used for installation of ubuntu?
[10:07] <bulvine> tza,  how do I now rename or delete the file while I am in the folder?
[10:07] <Tzalidar> mv file newfilename
[10:07] <Tzalidar> renames the file
[10:07] <Tzalidar> rm file
[10:07] <Tzalidar> removes the file
[10:07] <Tzalidar> i dunno, bulvine says that the win repair console wont work with sata
[10:08] <toyowheelin> humm i need a sata drave
[10:08] <toyowheelin> lol'
[10:08] <bulvine> AHAHH  read only    ITS KILLING ME
[10:08] <Tzalidar> hmm perhaps that means that ntfs write support isnt compiled in the kernel
[10:09] <toyowheelin> yeah
[10:09] <Tzalidar> because it is experimental
[10:09] <paxetil> ubuntu doens't have stable/testing/unstable ? only has warty ?
[10:09] <bulvine> I knew I should have loaded SUSE
[10:09] <bulvine> :)
[10:09] <bulvine> debian hates me
[10:10] <toyowheelin> lol @ bulvine
[10:10] <Tzalidar> prehaps there is a live cd with ntfs write support?
[10:10] <toyowheelin> linux hates my video card
[10:10] <bulvine> any of you fimilar with emergency boot CD 0.60
[10:11] <toyowheelin> erd commander?
[10:11] <bulvine> I have gotten far enough for it to have much more than the Windows partition
[10:11] <stianh> Hmm, sometimes in firefox when I click on links that I know are supposed to be popups, it just quits. Ubuntu only bug, or should it be submitted to firefox bugzilla?
[10:12] <bulvine> donno about the commander  I just burnt the emergency boot CD   it lets you change passwords and such booted to a linux os
[10:12] <toyowheelin> brb imgonna reboot to ubuntu
[10:12] <bulvine> you ricks taked you
[10:12] <bulvine> taker
[10:12] <bulvine> risk  shhessh
[10:13] <bulvine> OK  tza  this isnt going to work then?
[10:13] <Tzalidar> it sounds like it wont
[10:13] <Tzalidar> because you need to explicitly compile the kernel with ntfs write
[10:13] <Tzalidar> and becuase it is unstable
[10:13] <Tzalidar> prehaps ubuntu team decided not to compile with ntfs write
[10:14] <bulvine> ok   thanks anyway.   WHat would really help I guess would be a Windows XP boot CD with SATA drivers
[10:15] <Tzalidar> yeah
[10:15] <Tzalidar> but isnt it
[10:15] <Tzalidar> like when you boot the winXP install cd
[10:15] <Tzalidar> it says like
[10:15] <paxetil> ubuntu doens't have stable/testing/unstable ? only has warty ?
[10:15] <Tzalidar> "press F2 for raid sata driver"
[10:16] <Tzalidar> i dunno
[10:16] <Tzalidar> but i think it is like that
[10:16] <Tzalidar> do you have the install cd?
[10:17] <bulvine> actually its f6 to load other driver  and it does find the disk I insert and i chose the right driver.  BUt it then hanges when I usee the restore functions.  Its like it looses the driver for hte sata
[10:17] <toyowheelin> ok back
[10:17] <Tzalidar> ok
[10:23] <bulvine> sorry for the delay,  have a poopy diaper than needed changed EEEWWWWW.  Yes I have the install CD
[10:23] <toyowheelin> lol stewie
[10:23] <bulvine> blah
[10:24] <bulvine> ok  im gonna see what damage I can do wit hthe recovery CD
[10:24] <bulvine> brb
[10:25] <hazmat> sweet rml packaged up an inotify kernel patch for ubuntu!
[10:25] <Tzalidar> anyone tried DrPython?
[10:25] <Tzalidar> im looking for a good python ide
[10:26] <punkass> whats a simple Xbased text editor.
[10:26] <punkass> not nano or vi
[10:26] <punkass> a light gui if u will :)
[10:26] <toyowheelin> kwerite kate
[10:26] <Tzalidar> gedit
[10:26] <toyowheelin> *write
[10:26] <punkass> not depended on kde
[10:26] <toyowheelin> lol
[10:26] <Tzalidar> gedut
[10:27] <Tzalidar> gedit
[10:27] <toyowheelin> <---likes KDE alot
[10:28] <punkass> well this is an old 166 system
[10:28] <toyowheelin> oh
[10:28] <punkass> so lookin for l
[10:28] <toyowheelin> lol
[10:28] <punkass> llight apps
[10:28] <toyowheelin> icewm
[10:28] <punkass> nedit i think will work
[10:28] <punkass> useing xfce
[10:28] <toyowheelin> oh
[10:29] <swim> where are the gnome session properties?
[10:30] <djtansey> i have foomatic cups drivers installed but cups doesn't seem to recognize all the ppds in /usr/share/ppd -- any idea how i get cups to look in those directories?
[10:31] <djtansey> also -- is there a way that i can reenable webbased access to cups?
[10:31] <punkass> lol 30secs to open firefox
[10:31] <toyowheelin> cups dont like the printer at my house
[10:31] <toyowheelin> yes djtansey
[10:32] <djtansey> toyowheelin: thank you. how?
[10:33] <toyowheelin> umm just a sec I gotta find the port its on
[10:34] <toyowheelin> 631?
[10:34] <djtansey> yeah
[10:34] <djtansey> but the access is disabled with ubuntu
[10:34] <djtansey> can't do admin stuff
[10:34] <toyowheelin> djtansey, have you looked at the cupsd config file
[10:36] <djtansey> toyowheelin: yup. nothing obvious -- almost everything is default
[10:36] <toyowheelin> humm
[10:37] <djtansey> but more importantly i am trying to get cups to read my /usr/share/ppd directory -- it was working but i uninstalled and reinstalled cups. now it isn't working
[10:38] <longsleep> anyone knows why libxslt1-python2.3 contains only the docs and not the python module itself?
[10:39] <toyowheelin> djtansey, I have no idea I too cant login to do admin functions
[10:39] <toyowheelin> never thought about it before
[10:39] <arthur> judt type your user password
[10:39] <djtansey> toyowheelin: well -- i'll figure it out someday. i like it as a backup since the gnome cups manager doesn't allow much debugging.
[10:40] <youknowwho> does anyone know if Ubuntu has support for Zoom modems on PPC?
[10:40] <djtansey> arthur: Administrative tasks have been disabled for security reasons. Please use Menu Computer > System configuration > Printing.
[10:40] <toyowheelin> djtansey, I am using KDE and its gor a great printer setup but my printer isnt supported so it dont matter
[10:41] <toyowheelin> *got
[10:41] <djtansey> toyowheelin: yeah. i have a samsung 1740. i don't want to use samsung's funky installer. trying to get the ppd to work regardless
[10:41] <youknowwho> because unless it supports Zoom, then I can't connect to the net...
[10:41] <toyowheelin> <---lexmark x75
[10:41] <toyowheelin> no supprt
[10:42] <punkass> cannon i550  no support :(
[10:42] <djtansey> toyowheelin: ah -- i've seen the x75 before
[10:42] <mario> any probe this Mono packages? http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs/
[10:44] <arthur> ciao enrico
[10:46] <Tzalidar> anyone knows a good python ide?
[10:46] <arthur> enrico u still there?
[10:47] <cardador> Tzalidar: anjuta?
[10:47] <Tzalidar> cardador: does it have python support?
[10:48] <Riddell> kdevelop!
[10:48] <Trevan> Good afternoon.  I'm digging through the ubuntu-users archives while I ask this, but ... can anyone give me some pointers on diagnosing a boot problem with usb.rc?  My system just idles when it reaches that point on a clean install.
[10:48] <cardador> Tzalidar: i think so
[10:49] <cardador> Tzalidar: http://www.anjuta.org/wiki/
[10:50] <longsleep> Tzalidar, boa constructor
[10:50] <lml> Do anybody know what has happened to the MythTV packages in universe?
[10:50] <Tzalidar> cardador: nice ;)
[10:50] <Tzalidar> i like it
[10:50] <Tzalidar> longsleep: boa constructir is more for gui designing, right?
[10:51] <xespilce> is there something like apt-get for ubuntu
[10:51] <Tzalidar> yup ;)
[10:51] <longsleep> Tzalidar, well it has a debugger and such as well
[10:51] <Tzalidar> cool
[10:51] <xespilce> Tzalidar, what is it called?
[10:52] <Tzalidar> longsleep: boa constructor looks cool ;)
[10:53] <Tzalidar> xespilce: you just use it as you would in debian
[10:53] <Tzalidar> xespilce: or you could use the very nice gui synaptic ;)
[10:53] <Tzalidar> located in computer->System configuration->synaptic
[10:53] <longsleep> Tzalidar, also nice is Wing IDE (not free)
[10:53] <longsleep> Tzalidar, and there is Komodo from activestate
[10:53] <Tzalidar> longsleep, okay, boaconstructor looks very powerful ;)
[10:54] <longsleep> Tzalidar, it is and it has becomde fairly stable the last months
[10:54] <xespilce> omg
[10:54] <Tzalidar> okay
[10:54] <Tzalidar> i tried dr python
[10:54] <Tzalidar> but it wouldn't start
[10:54] <Tzalidar> longsleep, are you good at python?
[10:55] <longsleep> Tzalidar, hehe i usually write working code *g*
[10:55] <Tzalidar> longsleep, :)
[10:55] <Tzalidar> longsleep, im reading diveintopython(online), and i think python is very cool
[10:56] <longsleep> indeed .. and its diveintopython is a good book
[10:56] <Tzalidar> longsleep, wow boa constructor is really cool :)
[10:57] <longsleep> Tzalidar, btw .. boa is written in python itself
[10:57] <hazmat> eric is better ;-)
[10:57] <hazmat> hi longsleep
[10:57] <longsleep> hazmat, hey hazmat :)
[10:57] <longsleep> hazmat, kicked your osx?
[10:58] <Tzalidar> longsleep, yeah i know ;)
[10:58] <hazmat> longsleep i've been dual booting osx/gentoo for a while.. kicked gentoo ;-)
[10:58] <hazmat> i had to use osx at the conference to get the external monitor support going for presentations.
[10:58] <longsleep> hazmat, ahh thats not workin on linux?
[10:59] <Tzalidar> wow, im hooked with boa ;)
[10:59] <hazmat> longsleep not with powerbooks, not yet.. in the future it might work with xorg
[10:59] <enrico> arthur: ciao
[10:59] <longsleep> hazmat, i hope we will get xorg in ubuntu soon
[10:59] <enrico> arthur: sorry, I was not looking at the client
[10:59] <hazmat> i'm eager for the mono packages, and playing with dashboard/beagle
[10:59] <Trevan> Does anyone here have experience in dealing with boot-up problems in usb.rc?  My system idles when I reach that point.
[11:00] <longsleep> hazmat, there are mono packages
[11:00] <arthur> enrico do you seak italian?
[11:00] <hazmat> longsleep not really
[11:00] <hazmat> longsleep not for ppc
[11:00] <longsleep> ahh ok
[11:00] <longsleep> that might be
[11:01] <longsleep> but look at deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs ./
[11:01] <enrico> arthur: in fact, I do :)
[11:01] <hazmat> and the beagle/dashboard stuff needs a kernel patch for inotify, and several packages from cvs (evolution-csharp, dbus-csharp)
[11:01] <arthur> for me it's just the same
[11:01] <hazmat> Tzalidar, the best free ide for python imo.. http://www.die-offenbachs.de/detlev/eric3.html
[11:02] <hazmat> Tzalidar, its written in pyqt
[11:02] <arthur> trying ubunto since a couple of weeks and I'm excited about it
[11:03] <lml> I want to install Mplayer and MythTV, what is the best way to do this on Ubuntu?
[11:03] <hazmat> longsleep those are binary only packages, i talked tseng bout it yesterday.
[11:03] <arthur> enrico sei ancora li?,''''
[11:04] <Tzalidar> hazmat: sleek interface
[11:04] <longsleep> hazmat, they are working nice on i386
[11:04] <hazmat> Tzalidar, mondo functionality.. class diagrams, svn integration, qt-designer, gui unit tester, etc, etc. ;-)
[11:04] <enrico> arthur: Yes, but this is not an italian speaking channel
[11:04] <Zomb> bug report from a friend - there are no good development tools in Ubuntu (he wants an IDE)
[11:04] <hazmat> the ui is cluttered though
[11:04] <Zomb> the most recommended ANJUTA is not there
[11:05] <hazmat> Zomb, its in universe
[11:05] <arthur> I know I don'y want to be banned
[11:05] <Tzalidar> Zomb, anjuta is on the cd
[11:05] <cardador> Zomb: i am using it now!
[11:05] <Zomb> Tzalidar: not the the one that we downloaded 2..3 weeks ago, and apparently not in the archive
[11:05] <Zomb> cardador: his apt-get said - no such package!
[11:05] <Tzalidar> Zomb, strange
[11:06] <arthur> Not sure how all this irc thing works to be honest
[11:06] <cardador> Zomb: you need to add universe to sources.list
[11:06] <Tzalidar> hazmat, it looks like THE ide for qt/python development ;)
[11:06] <Zomb> cardador: but it is infinite!
[11:06] <cardador> ??
[11:06] <Zomb> what is universe?
[11:07] <Tzalidar> hazmat, although right now i am a gtk person :)
[11:07] <arthur> enrico: how many ungoing chat do you have on? :-)
[11:07] <cardador> Zomb: in synaptic go to settings>repositories
[11:07] <hazmat> Tzalidar, you can do non qt development with it as well... its just better integrated for it...
[11:07] <hazmat> Tzalidar, in that case there is a nice commercial ide.. wingide.com
[11:07] <Zomb> cardador: that it is not documented well. I cannot see any hint on the web pages
[11:07] <cardador> Zomb: then put a tick on a line that has main restricted universe
[11:08] <Zomb> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-15.7453904394
[11:08] <cardador> Zomb: then put a tick on a line that has "main restricted universe"
[11:08] <Zomb> tells how crap it is to get Debian package but no mention of any other "compatible" sources
[11:08] <enrico> arthur: quite a while, plus some important mail to send =:-|
[11:08] <Tzalidar> hazmat, yeah i know
[11:08] <enrico> arthur: can I do something for you?
[11:08] <Zomb> cardador: which line? where?
[11:08] <Tzalidar> hazmat, what are your opinions on qt versus gtk
[11:09] <cardador> Zomb: are you on settings->repositories
[11:09] <cardador> ?
[11:09] <Tzalidar> hazmat, im don't know that much about licensing
[11:09] <arthur> enrico: are you familiar with airport?
[11:09] <Zomb> cardador: I am not there, it was support via telephone. He did not find it. So I must assume that it is hidden well enough.
[11:10] <enrico> arthur: No, I'm not a MAC user
[11:10] <arthur> may be somebody on this chat is... :-)
[11:10] <cardador> Zomb: go to Computer -> System Configuration -> Synaptic
[11:10] <enrico> arthur: and I seldom use wireless on a PC anyway
[11:10] <enrico> arthur: I'm pretty sure plenty of people here use MACs
[11:10] <Tzalidar> hmm, why did they make boa not use the system gtk theme?
[11:11] <arthur> enrico: I guess that's the end of he story than, thankkkks
[11:11] <enrico> arthur: sorry for not having been too helpful.  Toc Toc?  MAC users around?
[11:11] <arthur> Anybody out here that owns a mac?
[11:11] <arthur> A mac with airport
[11:12] <djtansey> anyone here know how to access cups admin though localhost:631? (reenabling it)
[11:13] <Zomb> cardador: he says he cannot see anything called universe
[11:13] <Tzalidar> nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:13] <Zomb> Tzalidar: haha, and then?
[11:14] <Tzalidar> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe
[11:14] <Tzalidar> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe
[11:14] <Tzalidar> make sure that you have those two lines
[11:14] <Tzalidar> then apt-get update
[11:14] <Zomb> Tzalidar: is it in the synaptics menu somewhere or not?
[11:14] <Zomb> should I really tell him that?
[11:14] <Zomb> is it on some web page to copy&paste?
[11:14] <Tzalidar> Zomb: yes
[11:14] <arthur> tzalidar: sudo nano /etc/apt/sourccccccccccccccces.,list to modify parameters
[11:14] <Zomb> Tzalidar: he says no
[11:14] <Tzalidar> yeah
[11:14] <Tzalidar> listen to arthur ;)
[11:14] <Zomb> he opened the package sources menu in synaptics and there is no such thing
[11:15] <Tzalidar> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:15] <hazmat> Tzalidar, for cross platform, devel i prefer wx. gtk and qt have better object models, qt has the nicer object model imo. gtk works well for linux and windows apps, programming gtk in c is painful imho. license wise, you can use qt for osx and linux apps for free, it has nice tool support (kdevelop/qt-linguist/qt-designer).. gtk has glade, but part of thats style preference for auto generated code vs. loading ui models at runtime.
[11:15] <Tzalidar> (oon the command line
[11:15] <tortoise__> djtansey:edit the permissions in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf
[11:15] <spiv> Zomb: The lines needed in /etc/apt/sources.list should already be there, just commented out.  He needs tuo uncomment them, and update his package list.
[11:15] <Zomb> people, come one, it is not about editing stuff
[11:15] <djtansey> tortoise: i have looked at cupsd.conf -- do you know where?
[11:15] <Zomb> NOT EDIT
[11:15] <lml> What is the easiest way to get Mplayer and MythTV under Ubuntu?
[11:15] <Zomb> he wants to click
[11:15] <Tzalidar> hazmat, thanks for the informant awnser ;)
[11:15] <cardador> Zomb: do you know what is synaptic??
[11:16] <Zomb> cardador: ?? I just said, he opened it but there is nothign about "Universe"
[11:16] <cardador> Zomb: open synaptic, then on its menu, go to settings
[11:16] <cardador> Zomb: then, repositories
[11:16] <cardador> then uncomment the 4th line and comment the 2nd
[11:17] <cardador> Zomb: press ok, then press reload
[11:17] <Zomb> he says he found the one line with "restricted"
[11:17] <Zomb> I told him to edit and put restricted to the end of line
[11:18] <Zomb> but there was nothing with universe
[11:18] <Tzalidar> hazmat, now im just goofing around with some ide instead of learning myself python :)
[11:18] <Tzalidar> hazmat, but i guess that's me ;)
[11:18] <cardador> Zomb: just put a tick on the 4th line!
[11:18] <Tzalidar> i love playing around with different applications
[11:18] <cardador> Zomb: it has universe
[11:18] <WW_> Zomb: Take a look at the first three steps here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[11:19] <Zomb> cardador: he says there was nothing with universe and I believe him. Basta.
[11:19] <arthur> Tzalidar: that's an excellent recipiee for disater :-)
[11:19] <Tzalidar> yeah ;)
[11:19] <hazmat> Tzalidar, if you want just get to work on learning the language, use emacs or vim ;-)  and read the language tutorial on python.org
[11:19] <Tzalidar> :)
[11:19] <Tzalidar> im reading diveintopython.org right now
[11:19] <cardador> Zomb: strange, but just tell him to write "universe" after "main restricted"
[11:19] <arthur> tzalidar: is it good?,'
[11:20] <Zomb> cardador: <Zomb> I told him to edit and put restricted to the end of line
[11:20] <Zomb> and also universe, of course
[11:20] <Tzalidar> arthur, yeah
[11:20] <spiv> Zomb: You should've said ;)
[11:20] <cardador> Zomb: so its all good now
[11:20] <arthur> tzalidar: what is it for?
[11:21] <Tzalidar> arthur, diveintopython ?
[11:21] <arthur> :)
[11:21] <Tzalidar> it is for learning python :)
[11:21] <arthur> yeah?,
[11:22] <arthur> once you know python? :-)
[11:22] <Tzalidar> hmm
[11:22] <Tzalidar> i dunno
[11:22] <Tzalidar> i think that the book has a quite high level
[11:22] <arthur> wish we could make some money with all this knowledge :-(
[11:22] <Tzalidar> although i have not programmed much except some php before, i think that i understand the book somewhat
[11:22] <spiv> diveintopython is more-or-less aimed at people who already know how to program, but in other launguages.
[11:22] <spiv> (iirc)
[11:23] <Tzalidar> iirc?
[11:23] <arthur> spiv: thanks
[11:23] <Tzalidar> spiv: can you recommend a python tutorial for n00bs?
[11:23] <Trevan> That'd be "if I recall correctly" I think.
[11:23] <Tzalidar> okay ;)
[11:24] <Trevan> Does anyone know either (a) where a buildist might be describing the differences between the different daily ISOs, or (b) if the more recent dailies have a newer kernel than the main release?
[11:24] <Trevan> I'm sort of swinging at a USB problem with a baseball bat, here.
[11:25] <coe> Tzalidar, http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/thinkCSpy/ "how to think like a computer scientist"
[11:26] <coe> Tzalidar, That's a good Python tutorial for nonprogrammers
[11:26] <Tzalidar> coe: thanks :)
[11:27] <coe> Tzalidar, Or this one http://honors.montana.edu/~jjc/easytut/easytut/
[11:28] <Tzalidar> coe, are you good at python?
[11:28] <coe> Tzalidar, But the first one is better IMO
[11:28] <Tzalidar> okay
[11:28] <Tzalidar> although everyone say that diveintopython is for people who already know programming
[11:28] <coe> Tzalidar, I'm a beginner too.. Been playing with for a couple of months
[11:29] <Tzalidar> or perhaps not everyone (now im sounding like a 3year old ;)
[11:29] <Tzalidar> i think it is quite good
[11:29] <Tzalidar> okay
[11:29] <Tzalidar> coe, i wanna learn python so i can do some dev to make linux easier for people
[11:29] <Tzalidar> that sounds really clichee ;)
[11:30] <coe> Tzalidar, Python is very good for "small" projects like that, assuming that people have Python installed of course
[11:31] <Tzalidar> yeah
[11:31] <Tzalidar> coe, what ide do you use?
[11:31] <coe> Tzalidar, but most distros come with python so that usually not a problem
[11:31] <Tzalidar> yeah
[11:31] <Tzalidar> python has really become like, a de facto standard linux language
[11:31] <coe> Tzalidar, I just Komodo, in both Windows and Linux. It's not free though
[11:32] <lml> What is the best way to get Mplayer under Ubuntu?
[11:32] <spiv> Tzalidar: I hear thinkcspy.org is good ("Thinking like a Computer Scientist in Python").  The tutorial at docs.python.org is also good, if small.
[11:33] <spiv> Tzalidar: Oops, I see someone already gave a working link to thinkcspy to you already :)
[11:33] <coe> Tzalidar, Komodo can also do Perl, PHP and TCL http://www.activestate.com/Products/Komodo/
[11:33] <Tzalidar> spiv, yeah :) thanks anyway though ;)
[11:33] <Tzalidar> okay
[11:33] <Tzalidar> damn, i need to decide on a ide and then start learning ;)
[11:33] <Tzalidar> right now i used jEdit
[11:34] <Tzalidar> but i dont really like the interface
[11:34] <Tzalidar> this is what i love with open source
[11:34] <Tzalidar> we have so many applications accomplishing almost the same thing
[11:34] <stianh> crappy interface?
[11:34] <stianh> ah
[11:34] <Tzalidar> that means that you can choose an application that suits you
[11:34] <Tzalidar> ;)
[11:34] <Tzalidar> not 'crappy'
[11:34] <Tzalidar> but its
[11:34] <Tzalidar> well
[11:34] <Tzalidar> its not fun ;)
[11:35] <stianh> hehe :P
[11:35] <spiv> Tzalidar: Also, on paper, I've heard that O'Reilly's _Learning Python_ is good, and the _Python Cookbook_ is pretty good too -- it has lots of discussion.  That involves spending money and reading dead trees, though :)
[11:35] <stianh> but true, coding should be fun :)
[11:35] <Tzalidar> or maybe it's me who havent taken the time to customize it
[11:35] <coe> Tzalidar, There's a 30 day trail of komodo. You could also use Kdevelop
[11:35] <darkstar> can anyone tell me how to enable the taps on a synaptic touchpad?
[11:35] <spiv> Tzalidar: Personally, I use vim as my IDE, but it's a steep learning cuve :)
[11:35] <Tzalidar> spiv: :D
[11:35] <Tzalidar> heh ;)
[11:37] <Tzalidar> darn now i need to make up my mind ;)
[11:37] <coe> spiv, Learning Python by O'Reilly is a good book, but it assumes that you have at least some programming experince
[11:38] <paxetil> what's the difference between main, restricted and universe _
[11:38] <Tzalidar> well ill go with anjuta
[11:38] <Tzalidar> for now ;)
[11:38] <Tzalidar> and worry about ide later
[11:39] <spiv> paxetil: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[11:39] <paxetil> ok
[11:39] <paxetil> thx
[11:42] <coe> Has anyone tried the new Sun Java 1.5 yet? I hear there's speed improvements but haven't tried it yet.
[11:42] <Tzalidar> coe: i've tried it ;)
[11:42] <Tzalidar> coe: but i havent used it that much
[11:42] <paxetil> if i update apt regularly can i have security problems using universe ?
[11:42] <jazzka> hi gays!
[11:42] <cardador> Tzalidar: anjuta integrates well with glade
[11:42] <jazzka> I've found a bug!
[11:42] <Tzalidar> cardador: perfect! :) that means easy gui designing ;)
[11:43] <stianh> jazzka, "hi gays!"?
[11:43] <paxetil> because programs like amule, anjuta, etc i only find in universe
[11:43] <Tzalidar> although i think that java apps startup faster with 1.5
[11:43] <Tzalidar> but i havent used either it or 1.4 that much
[11:43] <cardador> Tzalidar: theres even an "edit application gui" on anjuta menu that leads to glade
[11:43] <jazzka> stianh, I dont usually speak enlgish, so maybe there is some errors...
[11:43] <Tzalidar> cardador, cool! :)
[11:43] <coe> Tzalidar, Better try it tomorrow :)
[11:43] <jazzka> by default, gcc is not in the $PATH
[11:43] <Tzalidar> coe :)
[11:43] <stianh> jazzka, ok sorry. was just a bit funny :)
[11:44] <cardador> jazzka: try to install it from synaptic
[11:44] <jazzka> ;)
[11:44] <jazzka> apt says that gcc is installed, and also does synaptic
[11:44] <jazzka> what can I do?
[11:45] <nic_> :q
[11:45] <Tzalidar> well, time to get some sleep
[11:45] <Tzalidar> godnight everybody!
[11:46] <nic_> g'night
[11:46] <paxetil> if i update apt regularly can i have security problems using universe ?
[11:46] <hello> hey, is anything going to be done about the screwed up icons in the industrial theme?
[11:46] <paxetil> because programs like amule, anjuta, etc i only find in universe
[11:47] <paxetil> anyone ?
[11:49] <darkstar> anybody know about the touchpad thing?
[11:50] <hello> http://img24.exs.cx/img24/3586/icon-emblem-bug.png here's what I'm talking about.
[11:50] <hello> This happens in Debian as well
[11:53] <fughidabowit> wewt - i got ubuntu setup finally.. :)   can someone help me fix the bootloader for windows?
[11:57] <tck> im trying to mount a usb key ; not having much luck!
[11:57] <tck> /dev/sda isn't availale, how does ubuntu handle it
[11:58] <Blissex> tck: in theory it should be fully automatic.
[11:59] <Blissex> tck: first check what 'lsusb' says to make sure the device is recognized.
[11:59] <Blissex> tck: then check 'cat /proc/scsi/scsi' to see if it is there at all.
[11:59] <tck> ltux@pluto ~ $ lsusb
[11:59] <tck> Bus 002 Device 003: ID 08ec:0010 M-Systems Flash Disk Pioneers DiskOnKey
[11:59] <tck> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[11:59] <tck> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[11:59] <tck> tux@pluto ~ $ cat /proc/scsi/scsi
[11:59] <tck> Attached devices:
[11:59] <tck> none