[03:08] <anders_> scriptkitty: what's the output of "mount /dev/hdc /media/cdrom"?
[03:12] <Phr0stByte> Has any1 here gotten k3b to work under Ubuntu?
[03:12] <bob2> lots of people have.
[03:13] <bob2> run k3bsetup under sudo.
[03:13] <Phr0stByte> I need help - it wont work for me
[03:13] <Phr0stByte> Whats the trick?
[03:13] <bob2> what doesn't work?
[03:13] <pmjdebruijn> bob2: or suid?
[03:13] <Phr0stByte> k2b setup gives an error
[03:13] <Phr0stByte> hold on...
[03:13] <bob2> Phr0stByte: are you running it with sudo?
[03:13] <Phr0stByte> I will tell you exactly....
[03:13] <Phr0stByte> yes
[03:14] <bob2> "sudo k3bsetup"?
[03:14] <Phr0stByte> yes
[03:14] <joolz> does anyone know hoe I can use alpha blending? Someone told me that gnome 2.8 supports it...
[03:14] <joolz> s/hoe/how/
[03:14] <bob2> joolz: alpha-blending of what?
[03:14] <Phr0stByte> bob2: Command 'kcmshell 'k3bsetup2'' not found.
[03:14] <joolz> applications
[03:15] <bob2> joolz: warty does not support translucent windows, if that's what you mean
[03:15] <joolz> windows...
[03:15] <joolz> etc
[03:15] <joolz> bob2: that's what i meant yes... Isn't this a gnome 2.8 feature?
[03:15] <bob2> joolz: no.
[03:15] <bob2> it's a feature of the X server, and xfree86 doesn't support it.
[03:15] <bob2> X.org's server does, and that will be in hoary.
[03:16] <bob2> anders_: Phr0stByte nothing in the list archives or wiki?
[03:16] <joolz> bob2: ah, great. Is there a release schedule somewhere? :)
[03:16] <bob2> joolz: yes, on wiki.ubuntulinux.org
[03:16] <joolz> bob2: tx
[03:16] <Phr0stByte> bob2: no
[03:16] <anders_> bob2: not last time I checked
[03:17] <anders_> bob2: I guess it's some of kde needs installing, but I would like to keep it at a minimum
[03:17] <bob2> anders_: if k3b doesn't Depend on all the stuff it needs to work, it's a bug
[03:18] <anders_> bob2: yes
[03:18] <joolz>  April 11th 2005. I'll try to be patient :)
[03:18] <bob2> anders_: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo?action=highlight&value=k3b
[03:19] <bob2> anders_: does that work (not that I can imagine why it woulde ;)?
[03:19] <bob2> joolz: it will be available for testing well before then
[03:19] <joolz> yes, i saw it
[03:20] <scriptkitty> Problem solved by mkdir /media/cdrom0 and /media/cdrom1 followed by chmod
[03:20] <anders_> bob2: nope
[03:21] <anders_> bob2: maybe search for kcmshell in package list?
[03:24] <Phr0stByte> anders_: I gave up on it - I just made a script for burning video DVDs under cl.
[03:24] <anders_> Phr0stByte: :)
[03:25] <Phr0stByte> anders_: Do you need it?
[03:25] <anders_> Phr0stByte: yes please
[03:26] <Phr0stByte> anders_: #!/bin/sh
[03:26] <Phr0stByte> # Create an AUDIO_TS subdirectory if it does not exist
[03:26] <Phr0stByte> [ ! -d AUDIO_TS ]  && mkdir AUDIO_TS
[03:26] <Phr0stByte> chown -R root:root AUDIO_TS VIDEO_TS
[03:26] <Phr0stByte> chmod 500 AUDIO_TS VIDEO_TS
[03:26] <Phr0stByte> chmod 400 VIDEO_TS/*
[03:26] <Phr0stByte> growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd -dvd-video
[03:27] <anders_> Phr0stByte: thanks :)
[03:27] <Phr0stByte> anders_: np
[03:28] <wza> anyone know a place for additional apt rep's?
[03:28] <bob2> wza: of what?
[03:29] <wza> software repositories. I'm just reading that it's not a good idea to use debian repositories
[03:31] <Phr0stByte> wza: they are OK for individual packages you may need - I wouldnt try a dist-upgrade from Synaptic with those sources uncommented though
[03:31] <Phr0stByte> *been
[03:34] <bob2> wza: what isn't in universe?
[03:38] <Jet2k5> hello
[03:39] <Jet2k5> how come ' mv ' is a known ID or something?
[03:39] <wza> ok, i'll try it out, thnx
[03:39] <bob2> "known ID"?
[03:39] <Jet2k5> ah nvm
[03:39] <Jet2k5> I typed something wrong
[03:39] <Jet2k5> anyhow
[03:40] <Jet2k5> what do I do for kernel-source
[03:40] <Jet2k5> from kernel.org?
[03:40] <spiv> apt-get install linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>
[03:41] <Jet2k5> ah
[03:41] <Jet2k5> ok
[03:41] <Jet2k5> sorry guys I'm totally new to this stuff
[03:41] <Jet2k5> specially debian
[03:41] <bob2> what do you want the source for?
[03:41] <Jet2k5> recompile ther kernel
[03:41] <Jet2k5> to compile the radeon drivers into the kernel
[03:41] <bob2> how come?
[03:41] <bob2> er, why?
[03:41] <Jet2k5> it's really the only thing that makes my vide card work decent
[03:42] <bob2> I use the radeon driver fine with an ubuntu kernel
[03:42] <Jet2k5> what video card do you have
[03:42] <bob2> a radeon.
[03:43] <spiv> Jet2k5: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:43] <Phr0stByte> bob2: he said what card do you have not what type
[03:44] <bob2> er, don't all radeon's use the same DRI module?
[03:44] <Jet2k5> I have the MObility m6
[03:44] <bob2> this is a 9200 or so
[03:44] <spiv> Jet2k5: Works for me with my Mobility Radeon 9600 M10
[03:44] <Phr0stByte> bob2: er, yes.
[03:44] <Jet2k5> spiv, I'll check it out, but it probably desont' support my card
[03:44] <Jet2k5> it only supports from about M9 and up
[03:44] <andi84> huhu
[03:44] <daniels> firegl can be incredibly painful to intsall.
[03:45] <Jet2k5> I can see that
[03:45] <andi84> how can i install gdesklets??
[03:45] <daniels> Jet2k5: what's the problem you're having with the current radeon driver?
[03:45] <Phr0stByte> daniels: try getting a Wacom device installed....
[03:45] <andi84> synaptic doens find the package
[03:45] <daniels> Jet2k5: m6 should work flawlessly.
[03:45] <bob2> andi84: it's in the gdesklet package in universe.
[03:45] <daniels> Phr0stByte: heh
[03:45] <andi84> universe?
[03:46] <Jet2k5> daniels, very very low frames from what I'm used to
[03:46] <Jet2k5> In mandrake after I recompiled the kernel I got about 4000 frames
[03:46] <bob2> andi84: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto?action=highlight&value=universe
[03:46] <Jet2k5> now I only get about 1500
[03:46] <daniels> Jet2k5: with glxgears?
[03:46] <Jet2k5> most games run shitty
[03:46] <andi84> oh thanks
[03:46] <Jet2k5> daniels, yup
[03:46] <daniels> Jet2k5: if you want to put up your /var/log/XFree86.0.log, I could take a look at it
[03:47] <daniels> Jet2k5: that indicates to me that your 3D isn't working at all with the free driver, which it should just fine
[03:48] <Jet2k5> ok, well I just kind installed this fglrx
[03:49] <Jet2k5> should I give that a try?
[03:49] <Jet2k5> brb let me see if it works or not
[03:49] <bob2> andi84: please don't /msg people unless they ask you to
[03:50] <bob2> andi84: which part of that guide wasn't clear?
[03:50] <andi84> it was clear
[03:50] <bob2> oh, you want help with gdesklets itself?
[03:51] <andi84> yep
[03:51] <bob2> run the gdesklets program, then right click on the gdesklet .desktop files, click "run with other..." (or whatever) and use gdesklets again
[03:52] <andi84> thanks a lot
[03:52] <spiv> Jet2k5: any luck?
[03:52] <Jet2k5> no that didn't work, neither did the radeon, just made it much slower
[03:52] <Jet2k5> guess the radeon is a module
[03:52] <bob2> does firegl really require a kernel module?
[03:52] <Jet2k5> the only thing I know that will fix it is to recompile the kernel
[03:53] <Jet2k5> so what do I do to get the kernel source again?
[03:53] <bob2> again, you don't need the source to build modules
[03:53] <bob2> get linux-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>
[03:53] <Jet2k5> well I just compile the kernel
[03:53] <Jet2k5> huh?
[03:53] <bob2> build the module against that
[03:54] <Jet2k5> no, that's just making me more confused
[03:54] <Jet2k5> just give me the kernel source
[03:54] <bob2> spiv told you already
[03:54] <spiv> bob2: there's an fglrx kernel module.
[03:54] <bob2> scroll up
[03:54] <Jet2k5> no
[03:54] <Jet2k5> I closed down the window
[03:54] <spiv> bob2: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto describes how to install it...
[03:54] <Jet2k5> didn't you see me leave?
[03:55] <spiv> ...although it doesn't point out that you need to reboot or manually modprobe it the first time.
[03:56] <Jet2k5> so....?
[03:56] <daniels> Jet2k5: why do you need to recompile your kernel?
[03:57] <Jet2k5> to compile ther radeon modules into the kernel
[03:57] <daniels> Jet2k5: if you put your XFree86.0.log somewhere I can get at it, I can probably help you with this
[03:57] <daniels> there's already a pre-built fglrx module, and a pre-built radeon module
[03:57] <Jet2k5> dude trust me it doesnt work
[03:57] <daniels> yes, so if neither of these work, recompiling won't help any
[03:57] <Jet2k5> I've spent about 6 months adding options and different things and nothign happeneds
[03:57] <daniels> if you can get me your log file, I'll probably be able to tell you what your real problem is.
[03:57] <Jet2k5> if you say so
[03:57] <Jet2k5> ok
[03:57] <daniels> if not, there's nothing I can do
[03:57] <Jet2k5> let me PM you
[03:57] <daniels> 'k
[03:58] <Jet2k5> id you get it?
[03:58] <daniels> nope
[04:03] <Jet2k5> what happened?
[04:05] <Jet2k5> spiv, so what's the command again?
[04:05] <daniels> Jet2k5: i'm waiting for your log to come through
[04:06] <spiv> Jet2k5: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:06] <mir> I cannot find unrar/rar in the ubuntu reps. Does it not exist or is it hidden in some other package ?
[04:07] <tuo2> hey canonical guys... is there a security team leader yet?
[04:07] <bob2> mir: it's not in ubuntu
[04:07] <mir> bob2: How sad..
[04:07] <daniels> mir: patent-encumbered
[04:07] <mir> daniels: unarar is freeware
[04:07] <tuo2> daniels: liked the website.. pitty about the kitties..
[04:08] <bob2> tuo2: it'll be announced on the website when it is
[04:08] <daniels> mir: yes, but there are outstanding patents on rar which make it very difficult to distribute
[04:08] <bob2> er, "when there is one"
[04:08] <tuo2> coolies.
[04:08] <daniels> tuo2: indeed. :\
[04:08] <crash_> what is ubuntu based on debian testing or unstable?
[04:08] <bob2> there's a Free unrar in Debian now, and a unrar-nonfree package which handles newer ones
[04:08] <Mithrandir> crash_: unstable
[04:08] <bob2> crash_: unstable from june
[04:09] <crash_> Mithrandir,bob2 thx
[04:09] <crash_> so then i cnause another debian repos instead of ubuntu own repo?
[04:09] <crash_> can use
[04:09] <bob2> crash_: no
[04:09] <bob2> crash_: it might work, but debian nor ubuntu can help you if it doesn't
[04:09] <crash_> ok
[04:10] <tuo2> bob2: thanks.
[04:10] <crash_> beacuse ubuntus repo dosen't have every package that the debian repos have
[04:10] <bob2> np.
[04:10] <bob2> crash_: universe should have almost all of them.
[04:10] <bob2> crash_: if one you want is missing, you can request it be added
[04:10] <tuo2> Just seeing when and where is the appropriate place to offer my megre services.
[04:11] <crash_> bob2:aah i see
[04:11] <crash_> i like ubuntu very much is fast and it has a updated gnome version
[04:12] <crash_> everything you need
[04:12] <Jet2k5> spiv, what does that link have to do with anything?
[04:13] <spiv> Jet2k5: The steps listed under "ATI".
[04:13] <Jet2k5> I did
[04:13] <Jet2k5> I'm talking for ' kernel-source ' I didn't catch the command you said
[04:14] <spiv> Jet2k5: it's in the linux-source package... but what's the name of the module you said you wanted to comile?
[04:14] <spiv> compile, rather?
[04:14] <Jet2k5> radeon, nvg/ram , ALi chipset, ATI chipset and a few other options
[04:14] <Jet2k5> for my laptop
[04:19] <spiv> Jet2k5: Most of those modules should already be compiled into the ubuntu kernel...
[04:19] <spiv> e.g.
[04:20] <bob2> they all are
[04:20] <spiv> $ sudo modprobe -l radeon
[04:20] <spiv> /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-1-686/kernel/drivers/char/drm/radeon.ko
[04:22] <spiv> Jet2k5: Seriously, I doubt you need to compile, let alone recompile, anything :)
[04:22] <blumax__> I'm new to Ubuntu/Debian. Can a RPM package be installed in Ubuntu?
[04:23] <bob2> yes, but it's generally a bad idea.
[04:23] <bob2> what do you want to install?
[04:23] <blumax__> a game called "Advanced Strategic Command"
[04:23] <spiv> blumax__: There's a program called "alien" that can convert rpms to debs, but it's pretty rough.
[04:23] <Mithrandir> Jet2k5: please turn off public away.
[04:24] <bob2> Jet2k5: please don't use public away in here.
[04:24] <Jet2k5> ok...
[04:24] <blumax__> hmmm.... Ok , thanks
[04:28] <giorsat> does anybody know why when I connect to internet with a dial up modem and the network tool veverything works fine while if I use the gnome applet the modem gives a busy signal?
[04:28] <joha> Hi all!
[04:29] <defendguin> i need to edit the gnome menu can it be done?
[04:29] <bob2> defendguin: applications:/// in nautilus
[04:29] <defendguin> bob2, they for rid of the start here thing?
[04:30] <bob2> defendguin: hm?
[04:30] <defendguin> obxiously its not on the desktop
[04:30] <bob2> defendguin: off the desktop?
[04:30] <defendguin> obviously
[04:30] <bob2> right
[04:32] <jlg> I just try ubuntu hello to all
[04:32] <defendguin> they might thing about having a link to applications:/// somewhere in the computer menu
[04:32] <joha_> Damn, flew out
[04:33] <joha_> Did somebody answer me?
[04:33] <bob2> you didn't ask a question
[04:34] <jlg> i know i will be hated but is there a way to install kde on ubuntu
[04:34] <bob2> install the kde package
[04:34] <bob2> after enabling universe.
[04:34] <spiv> jlg: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/kde
[04:35] <bob2> ah, handy short names
[04:35] <joha_> bob2: Then it didn't get through.
[04:35] <jlg> i know t u bob but it does not work i i have an empty screen
[04:35] <joha_> I installed Ubuntu on three boxes so far, but now this one is having a problem.
[04:35] <spiv> bob2: The wonders of "site:ubuntulinux.org kde" in google ;)
[04:36] <bob2> spiv: haha
[04:36] <joha_> GNOME hangs showing its splashscreen (only with the session manager proxy icon) and doesn`t do anything. Failsafe terminal works...
[04:36] <bob2> spiv: I tried searching the website, but it the results were a tad plone-heavy :-p
[04:36] <spiv> joha_: Sounds like a sound issue... lemme see if I can find the bug.
[04:36] <joha_> spiv: Okay, cool
[04:37] <jlg> I will try again so
[04:38] <spiv> joha_: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1943
[04:38] <joha_> Thanks spiv
[04:39] <spiv> joha_: I think that's the bug I was thinking of... let us know if it doesn't describe your problem.
[04:39] <joha_> Okay
[04:39] <joha_> Just a minute
[04:40] <crash__> how do i edit grub?
[04:41] <spiv> crash__: /etc/grub/menu.lst, iirc.
[04:42] <crash__> hmm i don't see grub in /etc
[04:42] <spiv> Oh, /boot/grub/menu.lst, sorry :)
[04:43] <joha_> spiv: Sorry, there's an audio device present, and it even works (tested using gstreamer-properties)
[04:43] <crash__> spiv, thx
[04:44] <spiv> joha_: Drat.
[04:45] <spiv> joha_: Just in case, does the workaround in comment #12 help?
[04:46] <slightly> helo
[04:46] <slightly> *hello
[04:47] <slightly> I have a question about ubuntu installation, if anyone's able to answer
[04:47] <giorsat> why an aac file ( imported from an ipod works on xine but it doesn't on rhythmbox? am I wrong?
[04:47] <joha_> spiv: Second
[04:48] <spiv> slightly: Ask, and we'll find out if we can answer it :)
[04:49] <joha_> spiv: No :(
[04:49] <slightly> i have a 400MHz Apple TiBook, I've installed Warty from the CD image, the installer updated all the packages, and when I boot into it (using "l" in the bootstrap) I get music and my screen kind of turns flowing white
[04:49] <slightly> ...and I can't find a way out of it
[04:49] <TongMaster> heya spiv
[04:51] <crash__> hmm i can't get write acess on this mounted drive
[04:51] <crash__> mount -t vfat -o rw,users,auto,exec,umask=022 /dev/hdb5 /mnt/mp
[04:52] <crash__> what are am doing wrong?
[04:52] <Jet2k5_> hey daniels nothing
[04:56] <slightly> could it be a compatibility problem with my video card?
[04:58] <spiv> slightly: Maybe, although several ubuntu devs have mac laptops of various flavours, so they should work quite well.
[04:58] <spiv> slightly: It's probably worth posting to the list or filing a bug report, because no-one who knows the answer seems to be up :/
[04:59] <joha_> spiv: That comment didn't help...
[05:01] <daniels> joha_: does running rm -rf /tmp/*-$(whoami) ~/.Xauthority ~/.ICEauthority /tmp/.ICE-unix/*, help at all?
[05:02] <spiv> daniels: yow, did you type that monster out from memory? :)
[05:02] <daniels> spiv: yeah :)
[05:02] <daniels> (could be contracted to ~/.{X,ICE}authority)
[05:02] <joha_> daniels: second
[05:02] <Jet2k5_> ok
[05:02] <Jet2k5_> so now the last resort
[05:03] <Jet2k5_> what's the command again?
[05:03] <daniels> spiv: used to be an alias -- KDE is particularly suseptible to that sort of breakage, and when your X libs/server is more broken than not ...
[05:04] <joha_> daniels: Nope, doesn't work.
[05:04] <Jet2k5_> daniels, so what's the command?
[05:04] <daniels> Jet2k5_: which command?
[05:05] <spiv> Jet2k5_: sudo apt-get install linux-source kernel-package.  But every module you said you wanted to build is already in the ubuntu kernel, afaict.
[05:05] <Jet2k5_> kernel source
[05:05] <slightly> spiv: thanks, i'll post to the list
[05:05] <daniels> joha_: bugger
[05:05] <Jet2k5_> spiv, ok...
[05:05] <joha_> Jet2k5_: rm -rf /tmp/[.,] * will do the job as well
[05:05] <joha_> At least for a new installation
[05:06] <spiv> Jet2k5_: did you reboot or modprobe fglrx after following the BinaryDriverHwoto instructions?
[05:07] <Jet2k5_> no
[05:09] <spiv> Jet2k5_: Ok, that was an oversight in the instructions on that wiki page that I've since corrected :)
[05:09] <Jet2k5_> I'll try right after I'm done with the download
[05:10] <spiv> The instructions as  they were wouldn't have actually loaded the fglrx kernel module until a reboot.
[05:10] <joha_> daniels: Yes.
[05:17] <sertmann> anyone got the propetary nvidia drivers working in ubuntu?
[05:17] <joha_> g
[05:17] <joha_> Sorry. That was Steffen.
[05:17] <joha_> Hmm
[05:17] <mir> Anyone with experiance of burning bin/cue files in ubuntu ?
[05:18] <joha_> I'll do apt-get upgrade and see if that helps with my gnome problem.
[05:18] <joha_> later
[05:18] <wza> how install fonts in ubuntu?
[05:18] <mir> cdrdao write --device ATAPI:0,1,0  <filename>.cue I Get:
[05:18] <mir> ERROR: Cannot prevent/allow medium removal.
[05:19] <Jet2k5_> anhhhow spiv, FATAL: Module fglrx not found.
[05:21] <spiv> Jet2k5_: try 'sudo depmod -a' ?
[05:21] <spiv> Hang on, was this error from X or from modprobe?
[05:22] <Jet2k5_> FATAL: Module fglrx not found.
[05:25] <Jet2k5_> still the same thing
[05:26] <spiv> (sorry, my net connection dropped out for a minute)
[05:29] <spiv> Jet2k5_: have you installed linux-restricted-modules-2.6-686?
[05:29] <Jet2k5_> no
[05:29] <spiv> Ok, you need to :)
[05:30] <spiv> That's what the "Note: requires linux-restricted modules >= <IP_ADDRESS>.1-1
[05:30] <spiv>    1.
[05:30] <spiv> " thing on the siki is about :)
[05:30] <spiv> s/siki/wiki/
[05:45] <sertmann> can i use the debian kernel headers in ubuntu?
[05:45] <sertmann> sorta need them for my nvidia driver
[05:46] <Mithrandir> sertmann: why?  Have you read http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto ?
[05:46] <sertmann> nope
[05:46] <sertmann> but i will now
[05:46] <sertmann> ;)
[05:46] <spiv> sertmann: :)
[05:47] <yyc747> any word on when the Ubuntu livecd will be out?
[05:48] <daniels> yyc747: i believe there's a live cd ready to use today
[05:50] <spiv> yyc747: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2004-October/000001.html
[05:50] <mayco> are there any plans on packaging gstreamer 0.87 and totem 0.99.17?
[05:51] <tseng> mayco: done and done
[05:51] <tseng> read the mailinglist archive
[05:51] <mayco> tseng, wow, nice, what archive do i need to check? users?
[05:52] <tseng> hm id tell you
[05:52] <tseng> but firefox decided it is going to crash on gmail today
[05:52] <tseng> wtf
[05:53] <tseng> it either -users or -devel
[05:53] <mayco> "gstreamer/totem: new packages"
[05:53] <tseng> ok, gstreamer/totem: new packages to -devel
[05:54] <mayco> nice
[05:54] <sertmann> ah, thx that worked for the nvidia drivers, now can someone then help me on a resolution higher than 640x480?
[05:54] <mayco> thanks :)
[05:54] <tseng> nps
[05:58] <malte`> hi
[05:58] <malte`> i've got an old Acer Travelmate 212 and when i shut down the system it reboots instead...
[05:58] <malte`> i tried pci=noacpi or noapic or both but it's the same thing
[05:58] <malte`> should i fill a bug report?
[05:59] <mjr> is there a way to show the debian menu in the gnome menus?
[05:59] <bob2> mjr: yes.
[06:00] <bob2> erm
[06:00] <bob2> malte`: yes.
[06:01] <malte`> bob2: if i pass 'noacpi apm' will i get full apm support?
[06:01] <mjr> should I take that as a "no"? :)
[06:01] <bob2> malte`: I don't know.  does loading the apm module help?
[06:01] <bob2> mjr: I'm almost certain the answer is no
[06:02] <bob2> but ask on ubuntu-user to be sure.
[06:02] <mayco> i've noticed there won't be a gstreamer-ffmpeg package, is there a way to install it so i can view non-free encoded movies?
[06:02] <mjr> (it uses the scummvm)
[06:02] <bob2>         command="/usr/games/scummvm -p /usr/share/scummvm/beneath-a-steel-sky sky"
[06:02] <bob2> run that.
[06:03] <mjr> yes, I know
[06:06] <backdoc> I'm trying the live CD on a Dell Latitude D800.  It has an Nvidia card with a screen resolution of 1920X1200.  I can get the CD to come up to the default 1024x768.  But, if I try to use the Nvidia driver, there is no 1920X1200 option.  So, I tried modifying the Grub parameters.  When X tries to start, Ubuntu just reboots.  Any suggestions?  TIA
[06:08] <tardmac> backdoc: you have to modify the X11 config file
[06:09] <backdoc> tardmac:  as one of the grub boot parameters?
[06:09] <tardmac> umm
[06:09] <tardmac> i dunno
[06:11] <backdoc> tardmac:  I tried modifying the XF86Config after starting in 1024x768 by copying it from my existing Mandrake partition.  But, if I do ctrl+alt+backspace to restart X, Ubuntu restarts.
[06:11] <bob2> backdoc: your monitor can do 1920x1200?
[06:12] <backdoc> bob2:  Yes.  Sometimes it's a PITA.
[06:12] <bob2> that must be one bloody big screen
[06:12] <backdoc> bob2:  It's 15.4"
[06:13] <bob2> jesus christ
[06:15] <backdoc> bob2:  Auto-configuration is not very well supported in Linux
[06:17] <joha> Hi
[06:17] <bob2> it doesn't do DDC? suck.
[06:17] <joha> GNOME works now; an apt-get upgrade solved the problem.
[06:17] <joha> But what do I have to do in order to be able to watch a DVD?
[06:17] <bob2> you need to install libdvdcss.
[06:17] <joha> Thanks
[06:17] <bob2> which will make you a criminal in many countries.
[06:18] <joha> Oh
[06:18] <joha> Hmm
[06:18] <joha> Synaptic doesn't show it. What repository do I want?
[06:19] <bob2> it's not in ubuntu for legal reasons
[06:19] <joha> Well, where then?
[06:19] <bob2> I'm not sure.  nothing in the wiki?
[06:19] <joha> Hmm
[06:19] <joha> Lemme see
[06:20] <joha> Oh and what software do I need for software development (*-dev, gcc, etc...)
[06:20] <bob2> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?action=highlight&value=dvd
[06:21] <bob2> installing the build-essential package will get you a basic toolchain
[06:21] <bob2> install whatever other -dev packages you need as you need them
[06:21] <joha> Okay, thanks
[06:22] <joolz> what would be the default rss reader for U? Liferea?
[06:22] <joolz> s/default/best choice/
[06:28] <sertmann> when the monitor says 50-60 Hz on the back is the hsync or vrefresh?
[06:29] <Zero-G> that's the frequency of the alternating current that powers it
[06:29] <sertmann> dogh
[06:29] <sertmann> is there any way to find those numbers when you have a no-name monitor?
[06:29] <Zero-G> probing, or guessing
[06:30] <sertmann> the ones ubunto detects will only let me run 640x480
[06:30] <sertmann> what's the command for probing?
[06:30] <tseng> xresprobe <driver>
[06:30] <sertmann> so..... xresprobe nvidia?
[06:31] <simka> xresprobe nv probably
[06:31] <sertmann> nah changed it from nv to nvidia allready
[06:31] <simka> owh sorry :)
[06:32] <sertmann> hmmm
[06:32] <sertmann> that just lists a whole lot of resolutions....
[06:32] <sertmann> and freq is blank
[06:32] <sertmann> :/
[06:33] <yyc747> sertmann: well, have you ever used this monitor before?
[06:33] <sertmann> yeah
[06:33] <yyc747> sertmann: at what resolution?
[06:33] <sertmann> 1024x768
[06:33] <sertmann> in debian
[06:33] <sertmann> for allmost two years
[06:33] <yyc747> sertmann: then try going into XF86Config and changing the resolution to 1024x768
[06:34] <sertmann> did that allready
[06:34] <yyc747> sertmann: and does it run at that resolution?
[06:34] <sertmann> and it just continues to boot up in 640x4880
[06:34] <sertmann> 480
[06:34] <sertmann> nope
[06:34] <daniels> it's OK for freq to be blank
[06:34] <sertmann> if i could just get it to run 1024x768 i would be a happy boy
[06:34] <yyc747> sertmann: hmmm.... post the config file on rafb.net/paste so I can have a look at it
[06:34] <daniels> what does 'sudo xresprobe nv' say?
[06:35] <sertmann> same as xresprobe nvidia
[06:35] <sertmann> just gives 10 differnts res. and no freq.
[06:36] <sertmann> no id either
[06:36] <viridis`> hi all
[06:36] <sertmann> pretty weird really
[06:36] <sertmann>  since i thought debian and ubunto was pretty similar...
[06:36] <viridis`> can anybody say me, why freepascal isn't included in ubuntu?
[06:36] <daniels> sertmann: is 1024x768 in that list of frequencies?
[06:36] <joha> Erm, somebody I believe had prepared mono packages for Ubuntu; where are they to be found?
[06:36] <sertmann> jup
[06:37] <sertmann> res: 2777x2721 2721x2721 2288x1830 1536x1228 1536x960 1535x2721 1280x1024 1024x768 928x742 800x600 784x784 720x400 640x480 <--- tried removing anything below 1024x768 in the XF86config-4 file, and that didn't help either
[06:37] <daniels> sertmann: if you edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 as root, there will be a 'Option "HorizSync"' and 'Option "VertSync"' (or such) lines in the Monitor section; if you remove them, can you get 1024x768?
[06:37] <daniels> wow, 2777x2721, that's bizzare
[06:37] <daniels> your monitor is wacky
[06:37] <sertmann> daniels: did that allready
[06:38] <sertmann> no vain
[06:38] <daniels> sertmann: wow, bong.  looks like X doesn't like your monitor.  does putting in 'Option "NoDDC"' in the Device section help at all?
[06:38] <daniels> (might be in the Monitor section -- try both)
[06:38] <sertmann> dunno.... lemme check
[06:40] <sertmann> gonna log-out and in and see if this helps
[06:41] <sertmann> he
[06:41] <sertmann> nope
[06:41] <sertmann> still 640x480
[06:43] <sertmann> HorizSync 28-33, vertRefresh  43-72 <- does those seem reasonable?
[06:44] <daniels> sertmann: they seem way too low
[06:44] <daniels> if they're in the config file, you should delete them
[06:44] <Treenaks> daniels: "NoDDCValue" for via_drv
[06:44] <daniels> Treenaks: thanks
[06:44] <sertmann> did that.... i've deleted them, they from the .bak file of the orignial config...
[06:45] <sertmann> but apparently it's what ubuntu detected
[06:45] <daniels> yeah
[06:48] <omluce> hi everyone!
[06:50] <omluce> I have just installed ubuntu on my PC but when the GNOME desktop is launched the computer hangs
[06:50] <jacob> Is there a way to reset what actions aptitude should perform?
[06:50] <AndersAA> omluce: problem with the soundcard probably
[06:51] <AndersAA> omluce: on boot click ctrl + alt + f1, login as your user, and write sudo apt-get update and then sudo apt-get -u dist-upgrade
[06:51] <AndersAA> I think the upgrade you need is gnome-control-center
[06:51] <AndersAA> and it should boot right up :)
[06:51] <omluce> a black screen appears
[06:51] <AndersAA> well that doesn't sound like the soundcard
[06:51] <AndersAA> does the login program come up?
[06:52] <omluce> nope
[06:52] <AndersAA> well, that's probably a problem with X
[06:52] <AndersAA> ie it fails to detect something (normally it'd give you a warning though, not a black screen)
[06:53] <omluce> I thought it was the GART
[06:53] <omluce> I've got nForce chipset
[06:54] <sri> is anybody gonna updated evo?  apparently evo crashes on me because there is no default addressbook
[06:54] <AndersAA> what kind of display adapter?
[06:54] <sri> it made me "restart" my whole evo config
[06:54] <omluce> nVidia GeForce 4 Ti
[06:55] <AndersAA> it should be able to use the standard nv driver without any problems
[06:55] <AndersAA> but sorry man, I gotta go, good luck fixing it
[06:55] <omluce> ok thanks
[06:55] <omluce> have a nice day
[06:58] <jacob> So, no way to "reset" aptitudes action list of what to do when hitting "g" ?
[06:59] <omluce> could anybody help me on configuring X
[07:03] <jazzka> I'added universe to my source.list
[07:03] <tclhal2> anyone know how to make a desktop computer standby?  I get no APM support in kernel.
[07:04] <jazzka> how can I know if a program is on ubuntu's collection, or in universe?
[07:04] <mjr> desktops generally don't do APM, afaik, so ACPI is the key word here. Don't know spesifics, though.
[07:04] <malte`> there's the ubuntu icon near the package name if you use synaptic
[07:04] <malte`> i don't know using aptitude
[07:05] <tclhal2> OK I hoping there would be a gnome acpi icon or something or desktop config that would allow a standby after x minutes
[07:15] <irc_monkey> does ubntu have good laptop support?
[07:15] <tseng> yes.
[07:15] <irc_monkey> what about ATI drivers
[07:15] <tseng> yes.
[07:15] <irc_monkey> cool thanks
[07:18] <nash> Q..
[07:19] <bmsleight> Hi All, I just popped in while I'm doing an install.
[07:20] <pepsi> oo BOON too
[07:23] <jazzka> how can I install java runtime environment? I cant find the package...
[07:23] <nash> hi guys i got i question.... why there is no root password in ubutu some programs dont understand that the user geven at the installation is the root user like k3bsetup...
[07:24] <kaplanfx> nash: sudo
[07:25] <nash> thanks
[07:27] <malte`> jazzka: it's a FAQ, check out http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/faqfolder_view/
[07:29] <Mitario> heya
[07:29] <Mitario> what was the right way to get java working in firefox again?
[07:31] <Phr0stByte> Mitario: ln -s /usr/lib/j2sdk1.4.2/jre/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[07:32] <Mitario> where do I get the java runtime from :)
[07:32] <pepsi> http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian
[07:45] <yohan> anybody here ever installed LIRC in ubuntu ??
[07:45] <yohan> its giving me errors ?
[07:48] <DXT> hi, after doing 'mount -t vfat /dev/hdb1 /mnt/win' i can browse the partition using the shell, but in nautilus i see the main folders as plain unusable files, what do i do?
[07:48] <eroadcap> Has anyone tried ubuntu's KDE packages?  Impressions?
[07:50] <Skif> so I just installed from a sounder 9 cd, and when I run aptitude there are a number of packages on hold; is this for a reason?
[07:53] <jazzka> how to choose? J2SE 5.0 or J2SE 1.4.2 ??
[08:09] <riffic> hi i'm having a vmware client issue
[08:09] <riffic> guest I should say
[08:09] <riffic> after installing the vmware tools x fails to start
[08:11] <riffic> cannot open device /dev/mouse no such file or directory
[08:11] <riffic> and it fails after that in the XFree86.0.log
[08:11] <SamBozo> http://www.vmware.com/community/search!execute.jspa?dateRange=last90days&q=no+x+after+vmware+tool+install
[08:11] <SamBozo> maybe ??
[08:11] <riffic> no core pointer, failed to initialize core devices yadda yadda
[08:12] <saw27> Just installed Ubuntu on my laptop. It didn't ask whether my hwclock is UTC or localtime. Would it make sense for the installer to ask this if it detects another OS installed too?
[08:13] <riffic> nothing usefull there, SamBozo
[08:13] <SamBozo> sorry
[08:13] <pedro_g> in my xf86conf the mouse is /dev/input/mice
[08:13] <pedro_g> do you have a device /dev/mouse?
[08:14] <riffic> no /dev/mouse but /dev/input/mice is valid
[08:14] <riffic> editing and testing
[08:14] <andril> hello all
[08:15] <jazzka> I cant believe java is so hard to install on linux. This is very sad
[08:15] <bmsleight> jazzka: Whats the problem ? Can I help ?
[08:15] <riffic> looks like its working, thanks pedro
[08:16] <pedro_g> np
[08:16] <jazzka> bmsleight, I'm following this: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian
[08:16] <riffic> woot, tools installed
[08:16] <andril> anyone having issues with sound?
[08:16] <riffic> i'm liking this distro.. very slick
[08:16] <bmsleight> jazzka: at what point are your stuck ?
[08:16] <riffic> i just might replace my gentoo install with it
[08:16] <riffic> =)
[08:16] <andril> By far the best....
[08:17] <bmsleight> jazzka: I did a install last night and it work for me.
[08:17] <jazzka> bmsleight, which method did you use?
[08:17] <andril> Kamion: have you heard of any sound issues?
[08:17] <jazzka> bmsleight, I'm downloading the sdk, but the list of things to do is amazing!
[08:18] <bmsleight> jazzka: See http://www.java.com/en/download/help/linux_install.jsp#install-pkg
[08:18] <jazzka> bmsleight, ok
[08:19] <pedro_g> can't my pen drive to mount - anybody else run into any problems - says it can't find a valid file system
[08:20] <Tux234> Sup evrybody
[08:20] <nash> jazzka: just mkdir /usr/java download java to /usr/java dir chmod +x, run it then export the bin dir inside java to your path i hope it will work for u
[08:20] <Tux234> Is it ok to install debs from the universe
[08:21] <Tux234> any broken packages or anything
[08:25] <SamBozo> Tux234, worked for me .. but I just went and got what I wanted (bluefish and xfce4) then changed the sources back to hust warty
[08:25] <Tux234> Sweet thx
[08:25] <SamBozo> and didn't do any dist-upgrades <g>
[08:25] <Tux234> oh yeah where is the grub config file?
[08:25] <Tux234> i'm tryin to disable the timer
[08:25] <bmsleight> Cool, Complet installation in No time. Thanks, Ubuntu Team !
[08:26] <SamBozo> /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:26] <Tux234> thx
[08:26] <SamBozo> that is a L not a 1
[08:26] <Tux234> just comment to disable right?
[08:27] <SamBozo> yep
[08:28] <SamBozo> but u can set it higher and then just hit any key to pause the counter .. that way the reboot doesn't hang and wait for u
[08:28] <Tux234> ok thx
[08:28] <SamBozo> ..
[08:29] <kega> Hi all, I have a stupid question... how do I install get the kernel source (with apt-get?) Im trying to install nvidia display drivers
[08:29] <joem> kega, you only need headers for that
[08:30] <pedro_g> there are precompiled bins available too
[08:30] <kega> joem, Ok, How do I get them ?
[08:30] <joem> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:31] <kega> thanks joem, Ill try that :)
[08:33] <Tux234> just one more question is ubuntu supposed to have a bootsplash>
[08:33] <Tux234> *?
[08:34] <joem> not in this releease
[08:35] <Tux234> ok cause I seen the splash quiet option in grub config file and didn't know if that meant there was supposed to be a bootsplash
[08:35] <Tux234> thx for the help guys :)
[08:35] <leonel> eit !  I have a Unbuntu linux installed  but only recognizes  256 mb ram and the computer has 384 MB
[08:36] <leonel> and the same computer with fedora core 2 recognizes 384 mb
[08:37] <Zomb> leonel: bios problem. add mem=384M to the kernel options
[08:38] <leonel> Zomb: tried and    error says    theres no room for that
[08:38] <Zomb> leonel: and who says error?
[08:39] <leonel> grub at boot time
[08:39] <leonel> let me see the correct message
[08:39] <leonel> is
[08:39] <leonel> Error 28  Selecterd item cannot fit into memory
[08:42] <saw27> Is there a searchable web archive of ubuntu-users postings?
[08:43] <Zomb> well, grub sucks IMHO
[08:46] <DXT> that's a pretty rough generalization
[08:46] <pedro_g> anybody having trouble with usbpendrives?
[08:47] <DXT> [20:33]  <Tux234> just one more question is ubuntu supposed to have a bootsplash>
[08:47] <DXT> [20:33]  <Tux234> *?
[08:47] <DXT> too much of a small issue, and for a PR
[08:47] <DXT> i mean, no
[08:47] <DXT> :p
[08:47] <DXT> (miread the question)
[08:47] <DXT> mis*
[08:48] <eaino> does anyone know how to enable hinting in freetype?
[08:54] <Tux234> bbiab
[08:55] <jazzka> bmsleight, thanks! I now can run java applets!
[08:56] <Zomb> DXT: that is what I have experienced so far. More trouble than advantages.
[08:57] <Zindar> can anyone help with a cups problem?
[08:58] <DXT> zomb most distros dont have a bootslplash :| and besides you can do one yourself (not an easy matter at all though..)
[08:58] <Zomb> DXT: that was about grub
[08:59] <DXT> oh bla im a bit off :p
[08:59] <DXT> what's wrong with grub?
[09:00] <Zindar> I have a cups server that broadcasts it's info,,, mac:s finds it automaticaly, SuSE boxes finds it automaticaly.. but my ubuntu laptop does NOT...
[09:00] <Zindar> I can see that it broadcasts it's info...
[09:00] <Qerub> Is it possible to change the icon size in gnome-panel (without touching the source code)?
[09:01] <Zomb> DXT: it does too many weird things. grub-install kills my kernel, and on a friends machine it fscked the windows partition.
[09:01] <Zomb> and there are no real advantages
[09:02] <DXT> ubuntu is just an updated Debian with an emphasis on gnome (which i prefer over KDE) plus it got more stuff 'out-of-teh-box', but i didnt play with it too much really to decide that
[09:06] <pedro_g> qerub right click on the panel - select properties and adjust the size there
[09:07] <Qerub> pedro_g: I mean the icons in the Programs and Computer menus.
[09:07] <Qerub> Program even.
[09:08] <kega> I cant get my nvidia drivers to work properly, I installed them according to this how-to (http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto) and edited my config file to use driver nvidia. Still get 300fps in glxgears with a ti4200 card
[09:09] <Qerub> kega: How's the performance in real apps?
[09:10] <amerine> hello everyone
[09:11] <kega> Qerub, its ok I guess... any spec. app I can try with ?
[09:11] <Qerub> kega: tuxracer maybe.
[09:11] <pedro_g> qerub - i wonder if modifying the size in the themes would do it?
[09:12] <kega> Qerub, Ok Ill try
[09:12] <joha> Hi again
[09:12] <calc> i only get 144fps in glxgears, so 300 isn't too bad
[09:12] <Qerub> pedro_g: I'll try. Thanks.
[09:13] <kega> calc, Well I should get alot more than that with a ti4200
[09:13] <Qerub> kega, calc: I just got 674 with my ol' GF2MX.
[09:13] <joha> I got WLAN working without WEP, but my dad insists on using it on the router. Now I can get to work it WITH WEP. Can somebody help m,e?
[09:13] <joha> (The FAW entry doesn help either)
[09:13] <kega> Qerub, Dont have tuxracer Im afraid
[09:13] <Qerub> kega: Then install it.
[09:14] <calc> Qerub: yea i was using software to get 144
[09:15] <kega> Qerub, where can I get it? apt-get cant find it...
[09:16] <Zindar> joha: what's the problem?
[09:17] <eroadcap> Has anyone tried the KDE packages in universe?  If so, how are they?  OK? Buggy?
[09:17] <joha> Zindar: I entered the WEP key and the cards light is on constantly as it ought to be, but I dont get a DHCP lease.
[09:17] <joha> (When WEP is turned off on the router I do get a lease)
[09:18] <calc> WEP doesn't work much anyway
[09:19] <calc> aiui can be cracked in a few minutes
[09:19] <joha> Yes, I know. But my dad insists on using it anywy :-(
[09:19] <DXT> eroadcap: try them yourself and tell us later :)
[09:19] <joha> He said if I dont get it to weork I should use Windows :-(#
[09:19] <Noodles> WEP is better than nothing.
[09:19] <calc> Noodles: not really since it gives you a false sense of security
[09:19] <Noodles> No, I still wouldn't trust the wireless network.
[09:20] <calc> you have to treat WEP as if it was completely cleartext since its so trivial to break
[09:20] <Noodles> It adds an extra layer of difficulty though.
[09:20] <joha> Well, the point is I can't use the network connection right now because of it. So what can I have done wrong? The card is using the orinoco_cs module...
[09:20] <DXT> wireless networks will always be much less secure than wired, due to a simple fact: serious security - major reduced bandwidth - lack of interest
[09:21] <xptheweb> where to find the md5 for the different dowloads?
[09:21] <jazzka> when I run sudo, I would like to execute /root/.bashrc so the prompts change properly of color
[09:21] <jazzka> how can I do that?
[09:22] <DXT> unless they find another way to transmit packets over the air (which is full of noise)
[09:23] <Qerub> jazzka: add "[ $USER = root ]  && source /root/.bashrc" to your /home/user/.bashrc
[09:24] <jazzka> Qerub, anywhere in my .bashrc ?
[09:24] <Qerub> jazzka: well, after the default prompt is set up
[09:24] <Qerub> jazzka: so that it will override...
[09:26] <jazzka> Qerub, thanks!
[09:26] <joha> Is there nothing I can do about this WEP sh**?
[09:27] <Qerub> jazzka: did it work?
[09:27] <jazzka> yes
[09:28] <Qerub> joha: have you tried manually with iwconfig?
[09:28] <joha> Qerub: yes, the whole time. :-(
[09:29] <Qerub> joha: on the "router", do you set a wep key or wep password?
[09:30] <kega> Now It works, 15287 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3057.400 FPS :-)
[09:30] <joha> Qerub: a password from which a key is generated.
[09:31] <tck> i'm having problems setting up my usb keyring
[09:31] <DXT> anyone tried installing (compiling into kernel :|) the ATI drivers with ubuntu?
[09:31] <DXT> ooh fireworks brbrb
[09:31] <spiv> DXT: You don't need to compile them yourself.
[09:31] <tck> when i do lsusb it shows :
[09:31] <tck> pluto:/proc/bus/usb# lsusb
[09:31] <tck> Bus 002 Device 003: ID 08ec:0010 M-Systems Flash Disk Pioneers DiskOnKey
[09:32] <Qerub> joha: last time i checked, a couple of months ago, "passwords" were not supported.
[09:32] <spiv> DXT: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:32] <Qerub> kega: what did you do?
[09:32] <DXT> thanks!
[09:32] <DXT> is the APT ati driver updated? :\
[09:33] <joha> Qerub: well, iwconfig lets you enter "iwconfig eth1 key s:MyPassword". But I also tried entering the key manually (as generated by the router). Neither of those works.
[09:33] <DXT> Trevan: yep.. that's how it works
[09:33] <Qerub> joha: ok, then ignore me :)
[09:33] <DXT> did someone forgot to backup? :O)
[09:33] <willie> need a spot of post-intall help --- rebooted after inittial install and get to a gui login -- note havent been asked to set a root password yet --- no window manager selected  so its CtrlAlt+1 to get a console  -- but I can't get root!! What next?!?!?!!?
[09:33] <Trevan> No, I'm suitably paranoid.  Just seems boneheaded.
[09:34] <willie> anybody got a hint?
[09:34] <joem> willie, uh, read the faq
[09:34] <joem> root is off by default
[09:34] <DXT> ure right.. i thought the same thing myself, then i always backed my xf86 config
[09:34] <joem> the user you create has full sudo privs
[09:34] <willie> seems fair
[09:34] <kega> Qerub, Did a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and added nvidia to /etc/modules and rebooted
[09:34] <DXT> btw why isn't Xorg in ubuntu?
[09:35] <riffic> license issues
[09:35] <tseng> ...
[09:35] <willie> joem thanks
[09:35] <DXT> yey
[09:35] <tseng> riffic: no?
[09:35] <riffic> joke.
[09:35] <tseng> DXT: because it was released after the freeze
[09:35] <DXT> laugh.
[09:35] <DXT> :P
[09:35] <Qerub> DXT: much work :)
[09:35] <tseng> riffic: not remotely funny.
[09:35] <tseng> FUD sucks.
[09:35] <DXT> food owns
[09:36] <Trevan> And I think the binary driver apt grabs is 3.14 DXT, but I'm not logged into my linux install atm so I can't check.
[09:36] <DXT> tseng: wow that means the freeze was a long time ago o_O
[09:36] <tseng> DXT, well, its not a very hard freeze, bugfixes are still going in now
[09:36] <tseng> but they have settled on the core components
[09:37] <tseng> changing the X system would be nuts in the middle of a release cycle.
[09:37] <joem> tseng, you mean no up to the minute glibc snapshots?!?
[09:37] <tseng> joem: nope, sorry.
[09:37] <Qerub> :-)
[09:37] <joem> :(
[09:38] <spiv> X.org is planned for the next release.
[09:38] <DXT> where is the gobo linux channel o_O
[09:39] <Trevan> I hate to ask such a flimsy/subjective question, but is there any "decent" (heh) player other than XMMS which either (a) plays, or (b) can be modded to play m4a/aac/etc?
[09:39] <joem> any gstreamer based player should work
[09:39] <Trevan> Out of the box?  Or with nudging?
[09:39] <joem> afaik gst does m4a
[09:39] <Trevan> OK.
[09:40] <Trevan> Doing a clean install from a more recent ISO shortly, that and some samba nightmares were my only two standing issues at this point.
[09:40] <DXT> well, it's in the box, somewhere.. ;P
[09:41] <joem> you would need the plugin, like all other gst stuff
[09:41] <Trevan> Well, that and having to "unimprove" what fglrxconfig does to my X config. :)
[09:41] <yyc747> Trevan: have you tried xine or totem-xine?
[09:42] <Trevan> yyc747:  No.  I briefly fiddled with XMMS last night since it is what I am (vaguely) familiar with, but since I never really loved the program I didn't put much effort into it.
[09:42] <Trevan> I'm on the novice end of the spectrum so I can only do so much at the moment.
[09:42] <yyc747> Trevan: apt-get install totem-xine
[09:43] <yyc747> Trevan: in my experience, xine is usually good at some of the more obscure codecs
[09:43] <Trevan> I think aac has probably graduated beyond the "obscure" category at this point, but I will take a peek. :)
[09:43] <slightly> hi
[09:43] <amerine> hello
[09:44] <yyc747> Trevan: true, but so has wma/wmv and divx, but ubuntu can't play those by default
[09:44] <yyc747> or mp3 for that matter
[09:44] <WX> anyone here know a way to get php4 and php5 working on the same apache web server? and invole renaming .php5 for php5?
[09:45] <Trevan> Oh well, going to go plunge into install #3.  Later.
[09:45] <pepsi> has anyone used vmware
[09:45] <pepsi> ?
[09:50] <jamescube> hey, when i install ubuntu, what sorta options do i have as far as boot loader goes?
[09:50] <jamescube> can i not install one?
[09:50] <Tzalidar> grub
[09:50] <Tzalidar> either in MBR or in /boot partition
[09:51] <jamescube> ok
[09:56] <amerine> anyone like my wallpapers?
[09:56] <tck> i can't seem to access my usb key , can anyone help?
[09:57] <corleone_> hi
[09:58] <pepsi> smoke up, johnny
[09:59] <corleone_> soo, i've been using redhat for years, and got my new amd64-3000mhz mobo and installed debian on it. lots of problems, segfaults etc. So ran into this ubuntu distro now.. does anyone have experience on installing it to amd64?
[10:00] <pepsi> a friend of mine has it runnong on an amd64
[10:00] <calc> corleone_: you had lots of segfaults running normal i386 debian?
[10:00] <corleone_> calc: no..
[10:00] <calc> corleone_: oh you were running pure64?
[10:00] <corleone_> calc: installed the 64 version
[10:01] <calc> corleone_: the one at debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org ?
[10:01] <corleone_> calc: yeah
[10:01] <corleone_> calc: sid-amd64-netinst.isp
[10:01] <corleone_> calc: iso that is
[10:02] <calc> corleone_: did you try regular i386 to make sure its not a hardware issue?
[10:02] <corleone_> calc: nope
[10:02] <calc> you could try installing amd64 ubuntu, but i don't recall pure64 having many problems either, so you might have faulty hardware
[10:03] <goatboy> corleone_: I've had a similar experience with debian-amd64.
[10:03] <goatboy> ubuntu-amd64 just worked, though.
[10:03] <corleone_> calc: well i got the base system working ok, but installing x etc..
[10:04] <calc> well X even on ubuntu doesn't work on amd64 unless you use the debug server
[10:04] <corleone_> calc: also apt was segfaulting first, but updated the packages and it went away
[10:04] <corleone_> calc: debug server?
[10:04] <calc> the loader is broken on amd64 apparently
[10:04] <calc> xserver-xfree86-dbg, which is compiled without modules
[10:05] <fughidabowit> where exactly can i get the kernel-source for 2.6.8??
[10:05] <corleone_> calc: oh i see
[10:05] <goatboy> odd, regular xserver-xfree86 works fine for me.
[10:05] <calc> i'm using ubuntu amd64 on my laptop right now
[10:05] <calc> goatboy: on amd64?
[10:05] <goatboy> calc: indeed.
[10:05] <calc> goatboy: interesting
[10:05] <corleone_> ok that does it: going for ubuntu :-)
[10:06] <corleone_> but i think im getting my ice cream first, just got back from swimming hall
[10:07] <fughidabowit> so anyone know where i can get the sources for kernel 2.6.8??  im a little stuck right now trying to get my 3d card to work properly
[10:07] <joem> what sort of card?
[10:07] <corleone_> anyway, ubuntu sounds interesting, never heard about it before, though, until today
[10:07] <fughidabowit> ati radeon 98000 pro
[10:07] <fughidabowit> -0
[10:07] <corleone_> heh
[10:07] <Mithrandir> fughidabowit: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:08] <fughidabowit> i tried installing the fglfx? packages yesterday without much success
[10:08] <Mithrandir> fughidabowit: what was the error?
[10:08] <Qerub> Mithrandir: Put it in topic or something... :)
[10:08] <fughidabowit> ah ty...i was referencing a different place
[10:08] <fughidabowit> it didnt find the module correctly
[10:08] <Mithrandir> Qerub: we kinda need an infobot. :P
[10:08] <fughidabowit> lemme take a look at that url
[10:08] <Qerub> Mithrandir: Yer.
[10:10] <fughidabowit> E: Couldn't find package linux-restricted-modules-2.6.686
[10:11] <fughidabowit> same problem i was haivng before
[10:11] <spiv> fughidabowit: -686, not .686
[10:11] <fughidabowit> doh
[10:11] <fughidabowit> ty sir
[10:11] <spiv> no worries
[10:14] <fughidabowit>  $ sudo depmod -a ; sudo modprobe fglrx
[10:14] <fughidabowit> FATAL: Module fglrx not found.
[10:14] <fughidabowit> blarg
[10:17] <todor> hello everyone. i have some troubles with running my soundcard under ubuntu... it isn't detected, and i'm unable to find 'alsaconf' :(
[10:17] <Trevan> *Sigh* New install, same media, new problem.  Heh.
[10:18] <Mithrandir> fughidabowit: what does dpkg -l linux-restricted-modules-2.6-686 say?
[10:18] <todor> alsa-util is installed. i've searched for 'alsaconf' in Synaptic, but found nothing
[10:19] <fughidabowit> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[10:19] <fughidabowit> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
[10:19] <fughidabowit> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[10:19] <fughidabowit> ||/ Name           Version        Description
[10:19] <fughidabowit> +++-[10:19] <fughidabowit> ii  linux-restrict <IP_ADDRESS>-13     Restricted Linux modules for version 2.6 on
[10:19] <fughidabowit> sorry for the big paste
[10:19] <topyli> todor: try 'which alsaconf". You should find it's in /usr/sbin
[10:19] <fughidabowit> thats evertying
[10:20] <todor> topyli: which alsaconf - nothing, locate alsaconf -nothing
[10:20] <todor> topyli: please could you check in which package is yours?
[10:21] <topyli> todor: trying now
[10:21] <fughidabowit> so i already have the modules installed....
[10:21] <todor> alsa[Tab]  gives me: alsactl and alsamixer
[10:21] <spiv> fughidabowit: What about dpkg -l linux-image-* ?
[10:22] <ejlozon> how do I enable mp3 encoding from sound-juicer?
[10:22] <fughidabowit> un  linux-image-2. <none>         (no description available)
[10:22] <fughidabowit> ii  linux-image-2. <IP_ADDRESS>-5      Linux kernel image for version <IP_ADDRESS> on 38
[10:22] <fughidabowit> ii  linux-image-2. <IP_ADDRESS>-14     Linux kernel image for version <IP_ADDRESS> on PP
[10:22] <topyli> todor: my alsa-utils has alsaconf. I wonder if it's from unstable or ubuntu...
[10:22] <ejlozon> I assume it is a gstreamer plugin
[10:22] <topyli> todor: alsa-utils 1.0.5-3
[10:22] <goatboy> ejlozon: you need gstreamer-lame.
[10:22] <todor> topyli: which version is your alsa-util?
[10:22] <todor> aha...
[10:23] <ejlozon> goatboy, thx
[10:23] <fughidabowit> hola
[10:23] <todor> topyli: mine is 1.0.5-1ubuntu2
[10:23] <fughidabowit> Eric: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:23] <todor> topyli: i guess yours is pure debian package?
[10:23] <FireRabbit> hm
[10:24] <fughidabowit> pretty simple stuff
[10:24] <topyli> todor: i guess mine is from unstable then. i didn't do it on purpose, something else must have dragged it in :)
[10:24] <fughidabowit> step 2 returned tah the drivers were already there
[10:24] <fughidabowit> step 3.b fails
[10:24] <limaunion> does anybody know how to disable certain operations while booting ? ie. ubuntu waste a couple of seconds trying to load LVM which I don't use and would like to disable this check...
[10:25] <spiv> fughidabowit: Could you paste the output of 'COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l linux-restricted-2.6-686', then 'uname -a'?
[10:25] <Tzalidar> ejlozon: why not encode with ogg :)
[10:25] <fughidabowit> No packages found matching linux-restricted-2.6-686.
[10:25] <todor> topyli: well, i guess i should go and read how do i include 'universe' in my apt sources. thanks a lot!
[10:25] <fughidabowit> erm
[10:26] <topyli> todor: could be in universe, but mine may also be from debian unstable...
[10:26] <spiv> fughidabowit: my bad, linux-restricted-modules-... :)
[10:26] <fughidabowit> Linux ubuntu <IP_ADDRESS>-2-386 #1 Tue Sep 14 10:30:08 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[10:26] <spiv> fughidabowit: thanks for your patience :)
[10:27] <fughidabowit> ii  linux-restricted-modules <IP_ADDRESS>-13               Restricted Linux modules for version 2.6 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PII
[10:27] <fughidabowit> oh thanks for YOUR patience!
[10:27] <fughidabowit> <--- linux newbie
[10:27] <fughidabowit> trying to slowly convert from Windows to Linux
[10:27] <spiv> fughidabowit: Would you mind trying COLUMNS=140? :)
[10:27] <fughidabowit> lol
[10:27] <spiv> I want to see the full name of that packcage.
[10:28] <fughidabowit> ii  linux-restricted-modules-2.6-686             <IP_ADDRESS>-13                            Restricted Linux modules for version 2.6 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV.
[10:28] <spiv> (I dont think it's a problem, just crossing off possibilities :)
[10:28] <spiv> Ok.
[10:28] <fughidabowit> lol
[10:29] <spiv> Oops, wrong command again...
[10:29] <Trevan> Okely-dokely.  I'm stumped.  I just did a fresh install from the same source ISO, and now my mouse refuses to work.  I keep getting "usb 2-2: device not accepting address 2, error -110" on the console shortly after it launches X/GDM.  Any pointers?
[10:29] <Treenaks> Trevan: IRQ Problems
[10:29] <Treenaks> Trevan: try booting with pci=noacpi
[10:30] <goatboy> fughidabowit: you'll probably need to update your kernel.
[10:30] <Trevan> But the same system had no issues with an installation from the same CD all of 12 hours ago. :)
[10:30] <fughidabowit> just tell me what i need to do :)
[10:30] <spiv> fughidabowit: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l linux-restricted-* | cut -c -70 | grep ^ii
[10:30] <spiv> fughidabowit: I tested before typing this time ;)
[10:31] <robertj> btw is there an official warty release date?
[10:31] <spiv> robertj: Yep..
[10:31] <robertj> spiv: ooh, point me to the page
[10:31] <fughidabowit> ii  linux-restricted-modules-2.6-686             <IP_ADDRESS>-13                            Restricted Linux modules for version 2.6 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV.
[10:31] <fughidabowit> erm
[10:31] <fughidabowit> ii  linux-restricted-modules-2.6-686             <IP_ADDRESS>-13                            Restricted Linux modules for version 2.6 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV.
[10:31] <fughidabowit> derek@ubuntu ~ $ COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l linux-restricted-* | cut -c -70 | grep ^ii
[10:31] <fughidabowit> ii  linux-restricted-modules-2.6-686             <IP_ADDRESS>-13
[10:31] <fughidabowit> ii  linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-2-386       <IP_ADDRESS>.0-2
[10:31] <fughidabowit> ii  linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-686       <IP_ADDRESS>.2-3
[10:31] <spiv> robertj: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog_2fReleaseSchedule (sorry, was just looking up the link)
[10:32] <robertj> spiv: thanks a heap
[10:32] <robertj> Ooh my Sundial says the RC is scheduled for tomorrow. Does that mean we get new artwork ;)
[10:32] <spiv> fughidabowit: Ok, that looks ok -- your running kernel is <IP_ADDRESS>-2-386, and you have the matching linux-restricted-modules
[10:36] <fughidabowit> spiv: hrm...well i originally installed the fglrx mods from the Package Manager..when that didnt work,i uninstalled them...however that sudo apt-get install fglrx-driver commadn reports that the driver is already installed :-/
[10:36] <spiv> fughidabowit: Oh, hmm.
[10:37] <spiv> fughidabowit: You mean you actually removed files?
[10:37] <fughidabowit> spiv: i used the package manager to remove them from there
[10:38] <spiv> Can you remember what you did, exactly? :)
[10:39] <spiv> Oh, hmm.
[10:40] <spiv> So, "ls -l lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/char/drm/radeon.ko" doesn't find any files?
[10:40] <spiv> Err, I mean .../fglrx.ko
[10:41] <fughidabowit> ok i just removed it using apt, then re-installed it...that worked...but then when i modprobe'd it...it retruned an error: Module fglrx not found
[10:41] <spiv> And /lib
[10:41] <spiv> (so ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/char/drm/fglrx.ko)
[10:41] <todor> i've got the same problem with my matrox card - no 'mga_hal.ko'
[10:41] <spiv> Which package is "it"? :)
[10:42] <todor> so - no GL acceleration for now
[10:42] <spiv> Gah.
[10:42] <spiv> Sorry, I mean ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko
[10:42] <spiv> Maybe I shouldn't be giving advice tongiht :)
[10:43] <fughidabowit> ls: /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-2-386/kernel/drivers/char/drm/fglrx.ko: No such file or directory
[10:45] <fughidabowit> wiiiierd
[10:46] <DXT|away> funny i so a note about this file in some guide for ati drivers... cant remember what it said though :x
[10:47] <spiv> fughidabowit: Sorry, ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko
[10:48] <spiv> fughidabowit: Which should have been installed by (in your case) linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-2-386
[10:49] <fughidabowit> yeah its not there
[10:49] <spiv> But dpkg -l linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-2-386 says that package is installed?
[10:50] <fughidabowit> ii  linux-restrict <IP_ADDRESS>.0-2    Non-free Linux <IP_ADDRESS> modules on 386
[10:50] <spiv> Ok, that's odd.
[10:50] <fughidabowit> lol
[10:51] <spiv> Does dpkg -L linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-2-386 | grep fglrx show anything?
[10:51] <fughidabowit> no
[10:51] <todor> well, no alsaconf is odd too...
[10:51] <Trevan> Thank you to whomever told me to add the pci=noacpi flag at boot.  Although it would be comforting to know why it went from worky to no-worky between installs. :)
[10:51] <spiv> fughidabowit: Strange, I thought that version should have it.  Hmm!
[10:52] <fughidabowit> Trevan: yeah I had to do the same as well
[10:52] <spiv> fughidabowit: I know that -3-686 does, though (because I have that version)
[10:52] <spiv> fughidabowit: Do you have linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-3.686 installed?  If so, try rebooting into that.
[10:52] <fughidabowit> spiv: i must have done something b0rky
[10:53] <fughidabowit> spiv: how would i determine that
[10:53] <spiv> fughidabowit: Try installing it see if apt says you've got it or not ;_
[10:53] <spiv> ;)
[10:53] <spiv> Or use dpkg -l.
[10:53] <spiv> It's possible that the fglrx module is 686 only.
[10:54] <spiv> Or that the version prerequisite on the wiki page is wrong :)
[10:54] <fughidabowit> No packages found matching linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-3.686.
[10:54] <spiv> -686
[10:54] <fughidabowit> yep its there
[10:54] <spiv> Sorry, my bad :)
[10:54] <fughidabowit> ii  linux-image-2. <IP_ADDRESS>-14     Linux kernel image for version <IP_ADDRESS> on PP
[10:55] <spiv> Ok, try rebooting into that kernel (it should already be in the grub menu).
[10:55] <fughidabowit> ok
[10:55] <fughidabowit> brb
[10:55] <spiv> fughidabowit: Again, thanks for your patience :)
[10:55] <fughidabowit> spiv: thanks for your help - really appreciated!
[10:55] <spiv> I've been a bit slow tonight.
[10:55] <todor> good night guys, and happy ubuntu hacking :)
[10:57] <pitti> seb128: do you know whether n-c-b is able to burn audio CDs?
[10:59] <fughidabowit> ok
[10:59] <fughidabowit> loaded up 3-686
[10:59] <fughidabowit> ooo
[10:59] <spiv> fughidabowit: Any luck?  :)
[10:59] <fughidabowit> the fglrx.ko file isi there now
[11:00] <sufehmi> hi, anyone can help me troubleshooting sound ?
[11:00] <topyli> pitti: no
[11:00] <spiv> So modprobe fglrx should work?
[11:00] <fughidabowit> well it returned nothing
[11:00] <fughidabowit> lol
[11:00] <fughidabowit> which is better than "Error"
[11:00] <spiv> fughidabowit: Right, that's supposed to happen :)
[11:00] <fughidabowit> spiv: niiiiiiiice
[11:00] <fughidabowit> spiv: so can i play some freaking doom now
[11:01] <fughidabowit> spiv: lol
[11:01] <FireRabbit> screw doom, glxgears! :)
[11:01] <spiv> Ok, edit your XF86Config-4 to use fglrx (if you haven't already)), and you're done ;)
[11:01] <fughidabowit> yeah yeah yeah
[11:01] <Mayday> fughidabowit: use "lsmod" to see if it loaded
[11:01] <fughidabowit> yes it is
[11:01] <fughidabowit> sweeeeeeeet
[11:01] <fughidabowit> tuxracer works fast now
[11:01] <fughidabowit> nice
[11:01] <fughidabowit> thanks spiv
[11:02] <spiv> fughidabowit: You're welcome :)
[11:03] <seb128> pitti: no, it's not
[11:10] <amerine> anyone like my wallpapers?
[11:10] <fughidabowit> well doom ran not bad...just crashed tho...
[11:10] <phlaegel> amerine: the ones on the list?
[11:10] <amerine> yeah
[11:10] <phlaegel> they're sweet. not big enough though. I run 1600x1200 :-)
[11:11] <DXT|away> :o
[11:11] <amerine> i'll have larger ones tonight, im at the office
[11:11] <DXT> say, ubuntu figured out that my monitor is capable 1240x1024@85hz but i cant make it work 1024x768@100 - only 87interlaced
[11:11] <phlaegel> amerine: nice.
[11:12] <Trevan> OK, please correct me if I'm about to foul up.  To get a working AAC (Faad) plugin going for gstreamer, I need to download the source that corresponds to the backend packaged with ubuntu (0.8.4) and compile, yes/no?
[11:12] <robertj> DXT: LCD or CRT
[11:12] <andril> same here I am having sound issues too
[11:12] <DXT> see are tea
[11:13] <DXT> crt :)
[11:13] <fughidabowit> spiv: what kind of card do you have?
[11:13] <DXT> im having this type of problem with every distro, one way or another.. i always mess around with modlines and stuff for hours :|
[11:14] <spiv> a Mobility Radeon 9600 M10
[11:14] <DXT> i just dont get why cant i just say to x: "1024x768 = 100hz, 800x600 = 120hz"
[11:14] <fughidabowit> have you experienced any graphics glitches with that card?  my radeon is doing some wierd thingsin doom, tuxracer
[11:15] <spiv> fughidabowit: Yeah, tuxracer looks wierd for me.
[11:15] <spiv> fughidabowit: I haven't had time to investigate :)
[11:15] <fughidabowit> lol
[11:15] <spiv> I don't play many games, so it's not something I worry about much :)
[11:15] <fughidabowit> :)
[11:15] <DXT> the game of life :)
[11:15] <spiv> glxgears runs fine ;)
[11:15] <fughidabowit> lol
[11:16] <DXT> channel's full of happyness :)
[11:16] <spiv> As do any of the GL xscreensavers.
[11:16] <spiv> (I particularly like the glsnake screensaver, but that's because I helped write it ;)
[11:16] <fughidabowit> nice :)
[11:17] <Micksa> and also because of that especially suss looking arrangement that you made
[11:17] <Micksa> that made it in
[11:17] <Micksa> >:)
[11:17] <spiv> Micksa: That wasn't my model!
[11:17] <Micksa> I know
[11:17] <Micksa> I was just having some fun at your expense
[11:17] <spiv> Micksa: We have labels in glsnanke off by default in ubuntu, I believe ;)
[11:17] <Micksa> *snigger*
[11:18] <Micksa> star wars: jedi knight 3 has a violence setting that you can switch in the console
[11:18] <Micksa> at installation it's set to 1 by default
[11:18] <Micksa> if you set it to 9 you can saber people's limbs off and everything
[11:20] <DXT> \o/
[11:20] <DXT> ciaoz
[11:20] <menator> anyone gotten eclipse working yet?
[11:22] <Tzalidar> menator: in ubuntu?
[11:22] <menator> Tzalidar: yeah
[11:23] <Tzalidar> menator: well, all you need to do is to install java from sun and then install eclipse from www.eclipse.org
[11:23] <menator> Tzalidar: I wish it were that easy.
[11:24] <punkass> but it is that easy :)
[11:24] <Tzalidar> menator: what is the problem, where are you stuck?
[11:24] <menator> Tzalidar: Eclipse bombs out on a broken lib, x11libgtk2
[11:24] <menator> Tzalidar: I think thats what it is.
[11:24] <jazzka> hi!
[11:24] <Tzalidar> menator, hmm that is strange, since gnome should be using that lib if i am correct
[11:24] <menator> Tzalidar: Just did a re-install using the i386 instead of amd64, so I'm re-installing java right now.
[11:25] <jazzka> please, anyone with experience with ubuntu+kde
[11:25] <menator> Tzalidar: Thats what I was thinking.
[11:25] <jazzka> is it functional?
[11:25] <SamBozo> Tzalidar, on 3 lines or less what is eclipse good for .. and yes I'm looking at the page as we speak?
[11:26] <Tzalidar> SamBozo: well, i haven't used eclipse that much, but it is an extensible IDE with strong java support
[11:26] <menator> SamBozo: Most of the java development stuff is all brought together, not to mention, an incremental compiler, plugins for just about any language or editor...etc.
[11:27] <punkass> jazzka: check out the eclipse plugin page...there is a whole pile of stuff u can use it for
[11:27] <punkass> sorry that was for SamBozo
[11:27] <jazzka> ;)
[11:27] <Tzalidar> eclipse works for me here
[11:27] <Tzalidar> nice sleek gtk integration ;)
[11:28] <Tzalidar> and by that i mean that it uses the same theme as the gtk interface that you are running :)
[11:28] <SamBozo> ok .. give me a program name it replaces .. or does the same thing as .. please
[11:28] <Tzalidar> netbeans, jbuilder
[11:28] <Tzalidar> or if you wish; kdevelop, ajunta
[11:28] <SamBozo> where does code warrior fit in .. just had a copy given me
[11:28] <punkass> with plugins, you can use it for php, python asewll
[11:29] <punkass> aswell*
[11:29] <Miichael> ok how do i switch my soundblaster to snd0 and the onboard sound to  snd1
[11:29] <SamBozo> wow all purpose platform thingie then .. lol  like the site says
[11:30] <SamBozo> better than the others? kdevelop.. or just newer
[11:30] <Tzalidar> hmm strange, i cant start eclipse from nautilus
[11:30] <Tzalidar> but from the commandline it starts
[11:30] <Tzalidar> it doesn't find the JRE when i launch it from nautilus
[11:31] <Tzalidar> i have exported the path with my .bashrc script
[11:31] <Tzalidar> jEdit works
[11:38] <tck> when i try to do, ./MAKEDEV sda - nothing appears in /dev
[11:40] <tck> can anyone help?
[11:42] <Tzalidar> Miichael: are you running alsa?
[11:42] <pitti> tck: please don't use MAKEDEV
[11:42] <tck> ok
[11:42] <pitti> tck: Ubuntu uses udev, which dynamically manages /dev
[11:42] <tck> ok ;)
[11:42] <pitti> tck: all devices that exist are entered into /dev automatically
[11:43] <Miichael> yes
[11:43] <tck> pitti, theres no scsi link for usb devices
[11:43] <pitti> tck: what is sda supposed to be?
[11:43] <Tzalidar> Miichael: okay, i take it that you want to use your soundblaster card as your default sound card?
[11:43] <Miichael> yes
[11:44] <Tzalidar> Miichael: okay, you need to create the file ".alsarc" in your home dir
[11:44] <pitti> tck: just plug in the device,
[11:44] <Tzalidar> ill paste you in private message how it should look
[11:44] <pitti> tck: it should all work automatically
[11:44] <Miichael> thanks
[11:44] <tck> pitti, it doesnt
[11:44] <tck> i can see it with usbview
[11:45] <tck> but i cant access, what dir, not mounted etc ?
[11:45] <pitti> tck: did you just plug it in?
[11:45] <tck> yes
[11:46] <pitti> tck: the device node (/dev/sda1 or so) should be created automatically
[11:46] <Trevan> Should I be trying to compile / add plugins to the gstreamer installed with ubuntu, or removing ubuntu's gstreamer components and starting from square one?  I'm feeling a little overwhelmed.
[11:46] <pitti> tck: if not, can you please /msg me the output of 'dmesg | tail 20'?
[11:46] <tck> ok
[11:49] <jazzka> does kde programs run correctly with ubuntu?
[11:50] <spiv> jazzka: They ought to work as well as they do in debian unstable, but no effort has been put into them.
[11:51] <jazzka> is there any command like apt-get xxx package_name   that says which branch does it comes from?
[11:51] <jazzka> if it's from main or universe
[11:51] <spiv> apt-cache show package-name
[11:51] <spiv> Look for the "Section" field.
[11:52] <spiv> If using synaptic, Ubuntu supported pacakges are marked with an ubuntu logo.
[11:52] <jazzka> ok thanks!
[11:55] <Tzalidar> i just cant belive this: if i launch eclipse with ./eclipse from the dir where i installed eclipse, it works. But if i create a launcher on the gnome panel or try to launch it by clicking on it, i get an error saying it cannot find a JRE
[11:56] <spiv> Tzalidar: different PATH env vars?
[11:56] <Tzalidar> spiv: ??? you mean that nautilus and the terminal uses different env vars
[11:56] <Tzalidar> because i have set up the env vars correctly
[11:56] <punkass> is your $JAVA_HOME set?
[11:57] <Tzalidar> jEdit launches successfully
[11:57] <Tzalidar> yup
[11:57] <Tzalidar> eclipse launches from the command line
[11:57] <Tzalidar> but when i launch it from a launcher on the panel (which points to the same file) it complains about not finding a jre
[11:57] <punkass> can u make a symlink to eclipse from usr/bin so u can just have  'eclipse' in the launcher:)
[11:58] <Tzalidar> punkass: ill try that ;)


[17:25] <teward> who here knows what the security risks are of letting an application connect / readwrite from an AppArmor perspective to /run/user/{gid,uid}/bus?  Because torbrowser-launcher on non-GNOME Ubuntu variants (Kubuntu, Lubuntu, Xubuntu) Impish don't run without readwrite to that apparmor rule, and I want to think about the security risks before I push that as a possible fix.
[17:26] <teward> (even though this is Universe, it's still a security question)
[17:42] <sarnold> teward: if the dbus the user is using doesn't do any apparmor enforcement, that's a "let the tor browser ask any application on the session bus to do anything that they advertise that they can do"
[17:43] <sarnold> teward: if the dbus the user is using does apparmor enforcement, then the dbus calls, signals, replies, etc, ought to be mediated as described by policy
[17:47] <teward> sarnold: right, but right now in non-GNOME environments, the underlying Tor Browser Firefox can't connect to the bus, and can't connect to display :0 and hard segfaults
[17:47] <teward> so i'm trying to determine if there's a way OTHER than readwrite to permit access
[17:48] <teward> sarnold: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ybV5pPcwSZ/plain/ is the current apparmor errors
[17:48] <teward> s/errors/DENIES/
[17:48] <teward> but what's odd is I would assume you would *need* bus access to connect to DISPLAY
[17:48] <teward> and what's MORE odd is non-GNOME environments are the only ones having the error
[17:48] <teward> works fine in Wayland
[17:49] <teward> so unless htere's some included apparmor abstraction or something that is GNOME specific that would grant readwrite to the bus, I'm confused
[17:50] <teward> sarnold: do you know if there is a requirement to read/write to the bus to make sure display can be connected to for an application?
[17:52] <sarnold> teward: probably not, eg xeyes connects fine and doesn't open dbus..
[17:52] <teward> sarnold: on an LXQt environment?
[17:52] <teward> because this ONLY happens on lubuntu/xubuntu/kubuntu based on testing
[17:52] <teward> works fine in Wayland/GNOME/MATE
[17:52] <teward> well i'm testing MATE still
[17:53] <sarnold> teward: heh, I can't imagine xeyes cares about the rest of the desktop :)
[17:53] <teward> i found a dbus-session-strict policy for `owner /run/user/[0-9]*/bus rw,` in abstractions/dbus-session-strict... wonder if we should be pulling this in because that's a rule for systemd with enable-user-sessions
[17:53] <teward> (and that abstraction is pulled in in the firefox stuff)
[17:56] <sarnold> that sounds like a reasonable thing, yeah
[18:26] <teward> hmm
[18:26] <teward> sarnold: looks like I don't have to touch dbus at all, those denies were superfluous
[18:26] <sarnold> teward: really? even with file open dialog boxes or similar?
[18:26] <teward> i DID see an asplosion on /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 though, where it needs readwrite and apparently doesn't listen to the X abstractions if i include those
[18:26] <teward> i'm still testing
[18:27] <teward> those failures were not what was causing it to not load the GUI
[18:27] <sarnold> good good then the world is back togethe ragain :)
[18:29] <teward> well not really
[18:29] <teward> sarnold: dbus was needed
[18:29] <teward> but apparmor is set to DENY access to dconf and /home/ space EXCEPT for where tor browser bundle is launched from
[18:29] <sarnold> just so long as it wasn't needed to do X
[18:29] <teward> sarnold: yeah, dbus wasn't needed to do X but it was needed for dialog
[18:29] <teward> so i just imported abstractions/dbus-session-strict and fixed *that* call
[18:30] <teward> but the abstractions/X is being ignored I think
[18:30] <teward> which is odd
[18:39] <teward> huh looks like maybe a permissions change on abstractions/X which removes 'w' from the unix sockets in /tmp/.X11-unix/* which is... odd.
[18:42] <teward> *cough cough* https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apparmor/+bug/1934005
[18:42] <teward> *leaves this for the Security team to dig and handle*
[18:48] <sarnold> thanks


[00:02] <RedSingularity> I am not sure what to do with this bug.  It is confirmed but it may be something for the translation team.  Someone let me know what should be done.  Thanks.  bug 738220
[00:02] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 738220 in update-manager-core (Ubuntu) "do-release-upgrade confirmation problem to "yes" in portuguese (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/738220
[00:05] <charlie-tca> RedSingularity: translations issue , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#About%20an%20incorrect%20translation
[00:06] <RedSingularity> charlie-tca: ok cool.  I never moved something to that team.  How can I do that?
[00:07] <charlie-tca> Subscribe the Ubuntu Translations bug supervisors and add a task against the ubuntu-translations projec
[00:07] <charlie-tca> You add the task using "Also affects project"
[00:08] <RedSingularity> charlie-tca: very good.  thanks!
[00:08] <charlie-tca> no problem
[00:08] <charlie-tca> thanks for helping with bugs
[00:08] <RedSingularity> :)
[10:08] <xteejx> Morning all
[10:09] <xteejx> bug 697095; I don't see a gnome BTS watch, should it not be sent upstream?
[10:09] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 697095 in policykit-1-gnome (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1 crashed with SIGSEGV in g_datalist_id_set_data_full() during login (affects: 396) (dups: 53) (heat: 1260)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/697095
[12:13] <xelister> is kgpg again fucked up in ubuntu?
[12:19] <nigelb> !ohmy | xelister
[12:19] <ubot4`> xelister: Please remember that all Ubuntu IRC channels share the same attitude of providing friendly and polite interaction with all users of all ages and cultures. Basically, this means no foul language and no abuse towards others.
[12:20] <xelister> oh, my bad, it just takes huge abounts of time to generate key.
[12:20] <xelister> but the console tool is better, more informative about this
[18:33] <jcastro> pedro_: ping
[18:35] <pedro_> jcastro, pong
[18:36] <jcastro> pedro_: you're the closest to desktop QA we have right?
[18:36] <jcastro> any reports on rhtyhmbox->banshee migration?
[18:36] <jcastro> the importer is supposed to snag all all your metadata, etc.
[18:40] <pedro_> jcastro, nope, haven't seen much reports regarding banshee imports from rhythmbox
[18:40] <jcastro> pedro_: but is that because we're not importing or because it works awesome?
[18:41] <pedro_> jcastro, there's a couple of bugs regarding import on banshee but not especific to rhythmbox->banshee
[18:42] <pedro_> jcastro, i think the first one, not sure how many people is aware of that feature
[18:42] <pedro_> and part of the second for sure :-P
[18:42] <jcastro> right
[18:42] <jcastro> well the reason I ask is pitti pointed out that I had a WI for testing the importer
[18:42] <jcastro> but I am pretty sure at the session I committed to telling people to test it, like a crowdsource deal
[18:42] <hggdh> :-)
[18:42] <jcastro> pedro_: is there test coverage or something? we'll need to test this until like 12.04 at least
[18:45] <pedro_> jcastro, don't think there's a coverage for it yet, but we can add a test case for the upgrade testing at
[18:45] <pedro_> http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/UbuntuDesktop
[18:45] <jcastro> pedro_: can you add one? It's worth like a case of beer to me
[18:46] <pedro_> there's no Banshee section yet, we can put one asking for doing the import part so we can at least have some extra bugs
[18:46] <pedro_> jcastro, yes i'll write something for it
[18:46] <jcastro> \o/
[20:24] <bdfhjk> Hi all!
[20:24] <bdfhjk> I need help with my project
[20:24] <bdfhjk> bug 740453
[20:24] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 740453 in as "Program crashes after the second approach of compile (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/740453
[20:25] <bdfhjk> Project is in a very early stage, but do not know how to solve the first major problem. It concerns QThreads
[20:29] <hggdh> bdfhjk, unfortunately, this is *not* an Ubuntu bug, so there is not much *we* at #ubuntu-bugs can do
[20:29] <hggdh> bdfhjk, you might try #ubuntu
[20:30] <bdfhjk> I was directed here :-)
[20:30] <bdfhjk> ok
[20:30] <hggdh> bdfhjk, from where?
[20:30] <bdfhjk> from ubuntu-beginners
[20:30] <hggdh> let me get there
[20:57] <njin> hello, can someone look at bug 739774 , in live session reproducible only on a machine and only with persistence.
[20:57] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 739774 in casper (Ubuntu) "live session from usb key take very long to start (40 min.) (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/739774
[20:58] <njin> why is searching on the floppy '
[20:58] <njin> ?
[21:03] <njin> can it be a linux issue?
[21:19] <tdn> Hi, can someone try to reproduce bug 731340? Or tell me if there is anything more I can do in order to help isolate the cause of this bug?
[21:19] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 731340 in linux (Ubuntu) "LUKS is extremely slow on amd64 builds but not on i386 (affects: 2) (heat: 476)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/731340
[21:19] <tdn> What does heat mean?
[21:20] <tdn> bug 1?
[21:20] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 1 in tilix (and 20 other projects) "Microsoft has a majority market share (affects: 621) (dups: 1) (heat: 3100)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[21:21] <tdn> bug 2?
[21:21] <ubot4`> tdn: Bug 2 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/2 is private


[07:43] <ogra> lool,
[07:43] <ogra> crw-rw---- 1 root root 90, 0 2009-07-14 14:01 /dev/mtd0
[07:43] <ogra> crw-rw---- 1 root root 90, 2 2009-07-14 14:01 /dev/mtd1
[07:43] <ogra> in case you still need to know
[13:08] <rjune_wrk> Is the performance of ARM under QEMU reasonable enough to compile? I'm having a problem with my cross compile tools(x86 to x86) and was looking at that to eliminate linking against my host environment accidentally
[13:12] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/BuildEABIChroot might probably help a bit
[13:12] <ogra> though note that it doesnt really speed up gcc itself
[13:12] <ogra> but everything around it :)
[13:24] <lool> rjune_wrk: It's terribly slow
[13:24] <lool> rjune_wrk: Are you targetting multiple packages or a single software?
[13:24] <lool> rjune_wrk: cross compiling is the fastest
[13:24] <lool> And you can use icecream to fake cross compiling from a native paltform
[13:25] <lool> I mean to fake compiling with xcompiling
[13:35] <rjune_wrk> lool: I want to build on the arm for my x86 box.
[13:36] <rjune_wrk> are any of the emulated environments good?
[13:36] <ogra> how do you mean "any" :)
[13:36] <ogra> there is only qemu
[13:37] <rjune_wrk> yes, but qemu will emulate multiple archs
[13:37] <ogra> there are various hacks to it though
[13:37] <rjune_wrk> I need one that's pretty well supported and relatively quick.\
[13:37] <rjune_wrk> My first thought was ppc as I know it's well supported.
[13:38] <rjune_wrk> but qemu doesn't seem to support ppc so well
[13:38] <ogra> not fast at least
[13:39] <ogra> i know vagrantc played with ppc in qemu 0.11 just yesterday for ltsp support, ask him about the results
[14:01] <rjune_wrk> will do, thanks
[14:31] <ogra> lool, so you got your beagle, eh ? :)
[14:36] <lool> I did!
[14:36] <lool> The board and its case are great
[14:36] <ogra> bah, i'm envious !
[14:36] <ogra> but i'll get my B2.5 tomorrow at least
[14:36] <lool> SheevaPlug yesterday, BeagleBoard today
[14:37] <lool> Lange 5.1 was expected today as well, but FedEx couldn't deliver it
[14:37] <ogra> what do you want with a Sheeva ?
[14:37] <lool> Nothing :)
[14:37] <ogra> heh
[14:37] <lool> I'm playing with it
[14:37] <ogra> running jaunty on it for the next century :)
[14:37] <lool> Making installation easy with opensource tools; it's still possible to run jaunty and right now karmic on it
[14:37] <ogra> btw, update-manager change is pushed
[14:37] <lool> Well jaunty is supported for 3 years, right?
[14:38] <lool> cool
[14:38] <ogra> 3 years
[14:38]  * ogra boggles
[14:41] <ogra> lool, btw, robert nelson provides debs (sadly no source) for beagle kernels
[14:42] <ogra> http://www.rcn-ee.com/deb/kernel/beagle/
[15:26] <ogra> Bug 32084
[15:26] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 32084 in gnome-screensaver "Fade In" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32084
[15:27] <ogra> i love excessively descriptive bugtitles ...
[15:49] <lool> ogra: Is there a way to load uboot and its env from MMC?
[15:49] <lool> I tried pressing the user button when resetting, but that didn't show a different boot sequence
[15:49] <lool> Perhaps I need to write it at 0x400?
[15:49] <ogra> hmm, i dont remember
[15:50] <ogra> its a while ago that i played with uboot on the beagle
[15:51] <lool> Oddly the uboots I build don't have MMC support
[15:52] <ogra> is it in the config options ?
[15:52] <lool> I'm using the default beagle config
[15:56] <lool> CONFIG_MMC is set in include/configs/omap3_beagle.h
[15:56] <ogra> weird
[15:57] <ogra> i know you need to put MLO and uboot on the MMC and it shoudl just boot from that
[15:57] <lool> I didn't have MLO
[15:58] <ogra> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#U-Boot_booting
[15:59] <lool> ogra: You just put MLO in the vfat?
[15:59] <ogra> i think you dd it .. there was a howto anywhere
[16:00] <ogra> ah, no you just copy it apparently
[16:00] <ogra> http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleSourceCode
[16:00] <lool> Bah MLO 404s
[16:00] <ogra> Note: To use MLO, U-Boot and kernel images from above, rename downloaded files to MLO, u-boot.bin and uImage at your SD card. I.e. remove the extensions to distinguish the download files.
[16:02] <lool> Error: reading boot sector
[16:02] <lool> Loading u-boot.bin from nand
[16:03] <lool> Hmm I might have disrespected formatting requirements
[16:03] <ogra> you found an x-loader ?
[16:03] <lool> Do I need one?
[16:03] <lool> Oh MLO, yeah
[16:03] <lool> From the files section
[16:10] <ogra> http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/downloads/list seems to have revc specific binaries
[16:10] <lool> Yes that's what I grabbed for MLO
[16:11] <lool> Cool it worked
[16:11] <ogra> :)
[16:11] <lool> Still no MMC support
[16:11] <lool> Despite having CONFIG_MMC in the config
[16:11] <ogra> oh, did you see my comment on the gnome-keyring bug btw ?
[16:12] <lool> I did
[16:12] <ogra> thats really odd
[16:12] <lool> It might or might not be toolchain related
[16:12] <lool> Perhaps the toolchain helps a race
[16:12] <ogra> i didnt change the toolchain
[16:12] <ogra> only gcc
[16:12] <lool> Odd, even with the new Uboot I don't have USB tty
[16:13] <lool> MUSB: using high speed
[16:13] <lool> In:    serial usbtty
[16:13] <lool> Out:   serial usbtty
[16:13] <lool> Err:   serial usbtty
[16:13] <ogra> sounds about right
[16:13] <ogra> no output ?
[16:13] <lool> I don't think I have to use a type A cable, do I?
[16:13] <lool> No device on the USB port
[16:13] <ogra> no idea, i have revB
[16:13] <ogra> thats not capable of MUSB
[16:24] <lool> I don't understand
[16:25] <lool> [104939.636022] hub 2-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2
[16:26] <ogra> hmm, but thats kernel
[16:26] <ogra> not uboot
[16:30] <lool> That's on the host side
[16:31] <ogra> hmm
[16:31] <ogra> i see that a lot in karmic, but never had probs due to it
[16:38] <lool> This device cannot do calls on its own. It is not a modem.
[16:40] <ogra> weird
[16:41] <ogra> it should become a ttyUSB device
[16:41] <lool> Ok got it working
[16:42] <ogra> cool !
[16:44] <xxiao> new to armlinux, does it have a generic irc like mipslinux for mips?
[16:47] <lool> I had a nice host crash
[16:47] <lool> After typing reset in the beagleboard console
[16:48] <ogra> ugh
[16:48] <lool> It seems these weird USB thingies can trigger nice kernel crashes on the host side
[16:48] <lool> It was weird to see Xorg go away and the kernel restart
[16:48] <ogra> probably the MUSB code is still a bit young
[16:48] <lool> Since I had set udev to info or debug, not sure, my machine takes forever to come back up
[16:48] <lool> Note that this is on the HOST side
[16:49] <ogra> yeah
[16:49] <lool> So I'd guess the ADC driver or whatever is the issue
[16:49] <ogra> still, you never know what it might send through the cable
[16:49] <ogra> and if your host sees it as usb modem or something ...
[16:49] <lool> So the reason it didn't work is because I was powering via a separate USB cable
[16:49] <lool> Once I only powered with mini USB, it worked -- as odd as it seems
[16:50] <ogra> very odd
[20:03] <beyossi> Hi Ogra, may I consult with you regarding the http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu
[20:43] <rjune_wrk> beyossi: He may be out right now, he's in Germany, so it's roughly GMT + 3 or so there
[20:45] <lool> +2
[20:46] <beyossi> Thanks.
[21:05] <rjune_wrk> lool: +2?
[21:05] <rjune_wrk> You voting for ogra now too?
[21:09] <lool> GMT+2/UTC+2
[21:16] <rjune_wrk> ah
[22:30] <xxiao> unlike mips/powerpc, the armlinux devel is totally distributed, in that the armlinux site looks like in stone age, and there is no good irc for it either...


[00:12] <tgm4883_laptop> levander, a popular ir remote and receiver is the mceusb2 remote
[00:12] <tgm4883_laptop> get one with the usb receiver and you are good to go
[00:13] <tgm4883_laptop> as for ir blasting?  I hate it
[00:13] <tgm4883_laptop> a wired solution is much better
[00:13] <tgm4883_laptop> but with the right equipment, the IR blasting does work pretty good
[01:07] <staind9383> soo... would it be a particularly stupid to call up cablevision and bitch to them that my firewire port on my cable box stopped working?
[01:16] <pwnguin> I've been using mythbuntu for a week now
[01:17] <pwnguin> is it correct to say that if new videos need to be added via the video manager before they'll be viewable in mythVideo?
[01:22] <soulfury> Can anyone tell me the name of the package I need to search for in aptitude to get the amd64 kernel source code I need to compile my nvidia driver?  7.10 of course.
[01:24] <directhex> soulfury, linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[01:24] <soulfury> thanks
[01:24] <directhex> you don't need source code to compile kernel modules. just headers
[01:24] <soulfury> right right
[01:25] <soulfury> Not sure why that isn't installed by default on 7.10
[01:25] <soulfury> It is with ubuntu 7.10
[01:25] <directhex> no, it isn't
[01:25] <directhex> linux-headers is never on by default
[01:26] <staind9383> is it more of a pain in the ass to get myth up and running on amd-64 vs x86?
[01:26] <directhex> no
[01:26] <soulfury> I've installed Mythbuntu 7.10 and Ubuntu 7.10 about 4 times in the last two days on this trying to get it to work.  When i run the nvidia installer on ubuntu 7.1 the only thing i'm mising are the libc6 dev libraries.  On the mythbuntu install it complains about kernel source.
[01:26] <directhex> hm, you're right, someone added linux-headers-generic to the depends: on ubuntu-desktop
[01:27] <directhex> not much use for those of us running better kernels. nevermind
[01:27] <soulfury> hah
[01:27] <soulfury> yeah I'm just now getting back into linux
[01:27] <soulfury> been in solaris land for the last few years
[01:28] <directhex> poor you :(
[01:28] <soulfury> heh
[01:28] <soulfury> it's pretty easy =)
[01:28] <directhex> there there, the nightmare is over
[01:29] <staind9383> is there any advantage to 64 bit over 32 if you dont have lots of mem to throw at the system?
[01:29] <directhex> "ed" and "sh" won't hurt you anymore
[01:29] <soulfury> of course staind9383
[01:29] <directhex> staind9383, media-related tasks (e.g. transcoding) are faster
[01:29] <staind9383> yea>
[01:29] <staind9383> hmm
[01:29] <staind9383> might have to give that a whirl
[01:29] <soulfury> plus you can just throw some more ram in later
[01:29] <soulfury> when you've teh cash
[01:29] <staind9383> well its not the cash... dr2 is dirt cheap right now
[01:29] <staind9383> ddr2 rather
[01:29] <soulfury> mmhmm
[01:30] <soulfury> Mythbuntu, when you get it working, is totally fucking slick
[01:30] <staind9383> i've been shying away from 64 bit anything for poor driver support... then again taht was mostly on the win side of things
[01:31] <staind9383> anyone else using a kworld atsc110 tuner?
[01:33] <superm1> directhex, those builds better for you now?
[01:33] <superm1> happy at least :)?
[01:33] <directhex> superm1, well i nicked the packages out of edge.lp.net as soon as you alerted me to them, and they seem fine
[01:34] <directhex> superm1, presumably packages.gz is up to date now
[01:34] <superm1> directhex, yeah it is
[01:34] <soulfury> Is an A64 x2 4000 with a geforce 7050PV strong enough to play like 6GB 1080 ts stuff?
[01:34] <superm1> just didnt get a chance to check with you again
[01:34] <directhex> soulfury, americanese hd? probably
[01:34] <staind9383> i think one of my main probs with myth so far has been lack of linux experience
[01:37] <staind9383> is there a faster download for the mythbuntu iso anywhere?  the torrent link on the site is dead
[01:37] <directhex> i have a sore throat, i'm tired, i feel it's bedtime
[01:38] <superm1> staind9383, we should take that down i guess if its dead -
[01:38] <superm1> just try clicking the direct download, there are a few fast mirrors in the rotation
[01:39] <staind9383> ok i got a much faster one... was going 40 Kb/sec, now 500
[01:40] <staind9383> so would you guys recommend a dedicated vid card, or are onboard geforce 6150 graphics enough
[01:40] <staind9383> for HD that is
[01:45] <andy> P4 - 1800, 512 Ram, 60GB HDD, Hauppauge PVR-150-MCE, NVidia 6200 - I can get the Mythbuntu install to see the card (it thinks it's a V4l (ivtv) PVR-150).  I can find a dozen channels on a channel scan, but I can see nothing
[01:46] <andy> To be honest, I've got no idea what I'm doing here, I'm using the force.  It was pure fluke that I got the PVRs remote to go...of a limited nature...
[01:47] <andy> ...any thoughts or suggestions?
[01:53] <WcktKlwn> andy, did you switch to to us-cable in the setup?
[01:53] <WcktKlwn> I believe the default is something like us-bcast
[01:54] <andy> NewZealand
[01:54] <andy> ...being from NZ and all...  THought that might be a flash idea...
[01:55] <andy> Thats good enough, though...  I'm gunna try that...   AFK for a few...
[01:56] <WcktKlwn> there might be another one in there for NZ
[01:56] <andy> Yeah, there's a few options...  US Broadcast/cable/japan/NZ/etc
[01:58] <andy> I always assumed that was more a NTSC vs PAL vs Secam selection
[01:58] <WcktKlwn> I first set mine up for bcast, and couldn't go above channel 13.. and I got stumped
[02:04] <andy> I'm a little nervous that it kinda works (in as far as it gets detected, and goes through all the motions, making all the right noises, but all I get is 12 channels of pitch black... THEN...I read that Hauppauge ran out of 150s so started shipping HVR-1600s in their place.  Some HVR-1600 cards look the same as a PVR-150 but I read that there's little to no support for linux for the HVR at all
[02:05] <andy> I may have a HVR-1600 cleverly disguised as a PVR-150-MCE
[02:11] <Cackette> is there any reason that menu transitions lag like crazy (takes ~5 secs to go from Manage Recordings to next menu, etc)
[02:23] <superm1> Cackette, your video card doesnt support opengl
[02:23] <superm1> switch back to the Qt theme painter
[02:23] <superm1> or install the right driver
[02:23] <staind9383> i hate firewire....  its official
[02:46] <staind9383> default install for mythbuntu is /var/lib for media correct?
[02:46] <Cackette> my video card sure as hell supports opengl
[02:46] <Cackette> its a nvidia 6600
[02:59] <SteveoSup> Hey all
[02:59] <SteveoSup> Couple questions.
[03:02] <SteveoSup> if I get Mythbuntu set up on my system can I play media off of my FreeNAS file server? if I have multiple shares?
[03:04] <SteveoSup> so I'm guessing that no one here knows anything about this huh?
[03:05] <staind9383> i would assume that you could... nut i realy dont know too much so i'm not gonna be much help
[03:08] <SteveoSup> HEHE its ok
[03:31] <staind9383> sooo if i am using the amd64 version, so i need a different firmware for my tuner card?
[03:31] <staind9383> so = do
[03:46] <staind9383> is a firewire connection possible using an amd64 build?
[04:03] <staind9384> what might be the problem if the audio sounds like alvin and the chipmunks
[04:04] <staind9384> and the entire playback is choppy... almost like the card is buffering then playing extra fast, over and over again
[17:19] <HEP85> I just wanted to ask if it is already safe to use the 8.04 alpha 2 version or is it still unstable?
[17:51] <tgm4883> HEP85, yes, alpha 2 is perfectly stable.  In fact, thats why we call it alpha, as in alpha male, the leader, the strongest in the pack.  There really is no reason for for us to even continue development, alpha 2 is perfect.
[17:51] <tgm4883> or
[17:51] <tgm4883> by definition, alpha 2 is still unstable
[17:55] <frank232> heh
[18:13] <adaptr> does it do my laundry ?
[20:29] <zabadapp> foxxbuntu: I found the problem, a ~/.gtkrc-2.0 (from the install) would override my own changes. By removing it the GUI-themes changes correctly.
[21:03] <hugolp> How can I record a recording into a DVD or CD?
[21:04] <rhpot1991_laptop> mytharchive?
[21:06] <hugolp> rhpot1991_laptop:  I allredy installed it but I dont see the option
[21:07] <rhpot1991_laptop> its in mythtv itself, you use it to archive recordings and such
[21:07] <rhpot1991_laptop> might be under optical discs, I'm not entirely sure of the menu location
[21:08] <hugolp> oh ok I think I see it
[21:08] <hugolp> thanks
[21:14] <foxbuntu> zabadapp, thanks...I will look into that


[06:29] <kivi> hey all, I have my nexus 4 plugged in, but it doesn't show up on devices in the sdk.
[10:37] <kivi> hey all
[10:38] <kivi> having trouble building an app and launching it on my phone
[10:38] <kivi> the profile is giving it an amd64 click package.
[15:42] <kivi> just a bit confused here. Do I need to completely reflash my phone with the --bootstrap option, or just update the channel, and then go into the phone settings and hit update?
[15:44] <tathhu> ubuntu-device-flash will download newest (if not told otherwise :P) image from channel foo and then it flashes it
[15:48] <kivi> tathhu, erm so this is right, right: ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/rc/bq-aquaris.en
[15:48] <kivi> i'm getting this error:
[15:48] <kivi> device cannot be detected over adb
[15:49] <kivi> I rebooted... can't figure out why I can't connect via adb anymore
[15:50] <kivi> ah nvm
[15:50] <kivi> screen lock :P
[15:53] <tathhu> :P
[16:02] <kivi> tathhu, mmm giving me an error. do I need to flash it when it is in bootloader?
[16:04] <kivi> 2015/10/04 09:01:21 Start pushing /home/akiva/.cache/ubuntuimages/ubuntu-touch/rc/bq-aquaris.en/mako/version-25.tar.xz to device
[16:04] <kivi> 2015/10/04 09:01:21 error pushing:
[16:08] <ahayzen> kivi, sometimes it fails to push for me and yes doing it from the bootloader resolves the issue for me
[16:08] <kivi> ahayzen, okay
[16:08] <kivi> ahayzen, now when I go to the bootloader, it can't detect adb?
[16:08] <ahayzen> hmm :-/
[16:09] <kivi> or rather, adb can't detect the phone
[16:09] <kivi> when its in bootloader :/
[16:09] <ahayzen> recovery mode ?
[16:09] <kivi> uhm, adb reboot-bootloader
[16:09] <kivi> power + downvolume on the nexus4
[16:09] <ahayzen> there is apparently $ adb reboot recovery
[16:09] <kivi> is that right?
[16:09] <kivi> ah
[16:09] <kivi> will try
[16:10] <kivi> thanks
[16:10] <ahayzen> i think so, havent' done it in a while
[16:10] <ahayzen> kivi, the phone was definitely unlocked when it was trying to push right?
[16:10] <kivi> think so
[16:10] <kivi> okay going to try this now
[16:10] <kivi> ah looks like its working
[16:10] <kivi> ahayzen, +1
[16:11] <ahayzen> :-)
[16:11] <kivi> Might as well write a tutorial in this in askubuntu
[16:11] <ahayzen> it should really be a bug somewhere that should be fixed in the u-d-f
[17:09] <kivi> http://askubuntu.com/questions/681500/i-used-the-wrong-channel-for-my-nexus-4-how-do-i-upgrade-it-and-what-channel-d?noredirect=1#comment990073_681500
[17:09] <kivi> and downvotes.
[17:16] <tathhu> :--(
[17:25] <kivi> Loading module: 'libubuntu_application_api_touch_mirclient.so.3.0.0'
[17:25] <kivi> UbuntuWindow - regular geometry
[17:25] <kivi> UbuntuWindow - regular geometry
[17:25] <kivi> UbuntuWindow - regular geometry
[17:25] <kivi> This plugin does not support propagateSizeHints()
[17:25] <kivi> Mmmmm.... strange... I'm getting closer though!


[03:51] <MTecknology> Why does ubuntu 20.04 sometimes have {/usr,}/sbin in the default PATH and sometimes not?
[06:08] <rfm> MTecknology,depends on the overly complicated paths through the default profiles, but basically if ti thinks you're logging on as root it puts sbin in and if your a a lowly luser it doesnt
[06:14] <rfm> MTecknology, in particular look at ENV_SUPATH and ENV_PATH in /etc/login.defs
[07:32] <MTecknology> aye, that makes sense per the default profile. I meant to clarify that this observation is for non-root users.