[00:00] <orangesox> still looping... i'm ready to scrub the disk and try again. i think i saved a lot of files from the lost partition but i don't care anymore. ha i'm in over my head
[00:00] <bprompt> orangesox:     cp :) is one way.... I usually use zip though ->  zip -9ry myhome.zip ~/*
[00:01] <bprompt> you could just "cp" it as well, -> cp -r ~ SOMEOTHERDIR
[00:03] <orangesox> bprompt:  THANK YOU for your time
[00:03] <bprompt> np
[05:33] <socha> yo, anyone else have a problem in konqueror where youtube refuses to go full screen; pops up a message saying it's not supported? I can get it to do it sometimes (or else im hallucinating)
[05:33] <socha> and by pop up, i mean just a lil hover message over the full screen button
[05:51] <denza242> socha: try the webkit view
[05:59] <socha> @denza242, thx, been using webkit though. bah, guess i will just have to open them in firefox or start a downloading everything
[06:02] <socha> heh, kq webkit cant handle some pages (lifehacker kept freezing my laptop), but khtml doesnt even play youtube (yet plays other video sites which crash webkit!) Was hoping i had missed a setting. mm, will give purging a try. i love konqueror, so will give everything a try... bbl
[06:15] <socha> lol, it was google's fault. switching user agent to iesomething fixed it
[07:02] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:04] <bukai> #join #django
[07:04] <bukai> sorry!:(
[08:20] <Giraffe_> hey, so I have sass the css thing installed, and also have sass the assembly compiler
[08:20] <Giraffe_> I want `sass` to default to the compiler; how can I do that? (atm the one on my path is the CSS one)
[08:46] <tws> Giraffe - I'm pretty sure you'll get the first executable in your path it finds. You'd have to rename one or the other. Be careful if installed via the repositories though.
[08:46] <Giraffe_> they both installed to the same place, and because the last update re-installed ruby, the compiler was replaced
[08:47] <Giraffe_> so I just moved the compiler
[08:47] <Giraffe_> thakns
[08:47] <tws> I'd be inclined to make a new link/shell script that calls the one you want
[08:47] <tws> odd, in all my years I've never come across a name clash like that. Maybe I'm not as experienced as I like to think.
[08:48] <Giraffe_> well im new so d:
[08:48] <Giraffe_> I could be wrong, I just think that's what occured
[08:48] <Giraffe_> I couldn't just do a `gem uninstall sass` because ruby-sass was installed by the vendor, not by gem
[08:49] <tws> Don't really do Ruby, but you could yum / apt-get remove if you don't want it.
[09:01] <yossarianuk> hi - is there a way can I view  my machine's present power usage  (on the cli) in Linux?
[09:02] <alvin> Is there someone who can confirm a bug on Kubuntu 15.10 beta2? Konsole > Bookmarks > Edit Bookmarks. What happens?
[09:03] <lordievader> yossarianuk: Powertop can show you the wattage if you are on battery.
[09:05] <alvin> yossarianuk: Maybe some file in /sys/class/power_supply?
[09:05] <yossarianuk> alvin: lordievader: cheers
[09:43] <matteo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-workspace/+bug/1505246
[09:43] <matteo> annoying
[09:56] <alvin> Noone wants to quickly try the bookmarks? (If you have 15.10 somewhere)
[10:12] <yossarianuk> just tried a new browser -> http://www.qupzilla.com/  seems really nice
[10:12] <yossarianuk> fits into KDE theme better than fierefox..
[10:12] <yossarianuk> (new to me)
[10:18] <mparillo> yossarianuk: Have you tested spell-check in qupzilla? It was not working with my pretty-generic 32-bit Wily build
[10:23] <yossarianuk> mparillo: no not yet.. just installed  it - seems quick and lightweight though.
[10:23] <yossarianuk> mparillo: this may help ? -> https://github.com/QupZilla/qtwebkit-plugins
[10:24] <yossarianuk> you have to export 'DICTIONARY' I believe
[10:24] <yossarianuk> always nice to try out a new browser - especially a QT based one.
[10:25] <yossarianuk> I'm not a fan of chrome  - something about the way it copies block of text...
[10:25] <mparillo> Ahh hunspell. That might be connected to my other spell-check bug on konversation: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=349151
[10:26] <yossarianuk> I'm on 15.04 on this machine (work desktop) will try on 15.10 tonight at home though
[10:28] <mparillo> And yes, I have en_US.dic in /usr/share/hunspell
[10:32] <mparillo> alvin: When I try Bookmarks > Edit Bookmarks, I get  a Bookmarks Editor
[10:44] <yossarianuk> mparillo: hmm can't see en_GB - I guess this is a subject for #QupZilla (if that exists)
[10:50] <mparillo> yossarianuk: Funny thing, when I set my locale to en_GB. spell-check started working in konversation
[10:51] <mparillo> I was a different machine, and I never tried that trick with qupzilla. I would rather use British spellings than have no spell checque at all ;-)
[11:48] <alvin> mparillo: You are running 15.10?
[11:51] <mparillo> yes
[11:53] <alvin> mparillo: Thanks for trying. I get nothing and I have no idea why. (Same in KRDC)
[11:55] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:31] <mcyber> Hola a todos desde España
[18:22] <denza242> how do I make konqueror use the Dolphin KPart
[18:57] <Vtec234> Hello, so i was looking at Kubuntu on wikipedia, and there is a screenshot https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1d/Kubuntu_15.04_with_a_dark_theme.png of 15.04 there. The system info widget on the right is looking phenomenal, so my question is does anybody know what it is?
[19:11] <denza242> Vtec234: i think that's conky
[19:18] <Vtec234> denza24: it is indeed that! thanks
[19:36] <ejay> Hi all. I'm here to say that I'm so impressed of how plasma5 is handling external monitors. Wow. It's like box of chocolates - you can't tell what retarded behavior you will excperience while plugin' in monitor cable.
[19:40] <denza242> ejay: thanks
[19:47] <duke_> wubba lubba dubdub
[19:50] <CoffeeJ> sounds like dub dub step
[19:50] <duke_> sounds like rick from rick and morty
[20:19] <ejay> Guys, how can I make so new windows are open in my main screen not secondary screen while using externatl monitor?
[20:22] <finetundra_> Did you make sure the main is set as the primary display?
[20:39] <ejay> finetundra_: yes, but every window is goin to secondary.
[20:40] <deusopus> hello
[20:40] <deusopus> i am new to ubuntu
[20:41] <deusopus> i like it so far
[20:41] <deusopus> im using konversation right now
[20:41] <deusopus> i found an old compaq presario at goodwill and i maxed out the ram
[20:41] <soee> deusopus: hiho
[20:42] <deusopus> hi
[20:52] <mparillo> deusopus: Congratulations. I love Linux for extending the life of old machines. How much RAM? Are you 64-bit? And IMHO, Kubuntu is far and away the best KDE distro at 1GB of RAM.
[20:53] <Replop__> firefox seem even more unstable here :/
[21:02] <Draggin_> Good evening! I'm back (which is never  a good thing :P ) I've taken a really long time to get up to date - I only made the move to Kubuntu 15.04 from 14.10 today. Everything seemed to go smoothly, until reboot time, of course...
[21:04] <Draggin_> I only have a command prompt upon reboot, and startx throws a whole bunch of errors...
[21:49] <Xenoth> Draggin: What errors?
[21:49] <Draggin> Xenoth
[21:50] <Draggin> I've just purged the Nvidia drivers - they seemed to be causing the initial problem, but now I'm stuck on "Starting version 219 Error: /dev/sdb: No medium found" etc
[21:51] <Xenoth> Starting version 219 is a systemd startup message, I think. It almost seems like GRUB or Linux is looking for things in the wrong place. Do you have two harddisks?
[21:52] <Draggin> Xenoth - that's the weird thing - it repeats the error for sdc too, and then once more for each
[21:52] <Draggin> I only have on drive in this machine - should be sda, partitioned into various partitions
[21:54] <Xenoth> That is very odd.
[21:54] <Xenoth> Perhaps someone who knows systemd better than I can help :/
[21:59] <Draggin> Thanks for the input though, Xenoth :) Gives me another clue about where to look
[22:02] <genii> I'd suggest removing any usb sticks or external drives and issuing sudo update-grub
[22:51] <orangesox> hello all... needing some help using the terminal to copy my home directory to an external hd
[22:53] <orangesox> anyone?
[22:54] <orangesox> please
[22:58] <orangesox> anyone can help me?
[23:07] <Draggin> My kernel log seems to indicate that something might be wrong with my root partition - it's being remounted as read-only. How can I determine what's causing that to happen?


[20:01] <kees> jdstrand, mdeslaur: quick meetin'?
[20:01] <jdstrand> sure
[20:01] <jdstrand> o/
[20:02] <mdeslaur> yep
[20:02] <jjohansen> \o
[20:02] <kees> heya jjohansen
[20:02] <jjohansen> heya
[20:02] <kees> okay, so, closing intrepid seemed to do nice things to the CVE graph.  ;)  http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/open-cves-6mon.png
[20:03] <kees> I'm on triage this week and will likely be preparing a glibc update with about 4 different minor updates in it.
[20:03] <mdeslaur> re:graph: cool!
[20:03] <kees> I've got friday off, and then I'll see you all in person for UDS.
[20:04] <kees> and I think there is a kernel update pending now; I've done a few CVE reviews now.
[20:04] <kees> so, hopefully this week, otherwise it'll be after UDS
[20:05] <kees> s'all from me; jdstrand is up.
[20:05] <jdstrand> k
[20:05] <jdstrand> koffice got put aside last week due to release and some other updates
[20:07] <jdstrand> I plan to work on that, do UDS preparation, start some SRUs and double check the apparmor profiles are in enforce mode in lucid (prompted by mysql)
[20:07] <kees> oh, yeah, I've got an Ubuntu Open session to prep for too.
[20:07] <jdstrand> oh, and I'm on community
[20:07]  * jdstrand is done
[20:07] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: you're up
[20:08] <mdeslaur> so I've got packages in our PPA to test and release, probably tomorrow
[20:08] <mdeslaur> and will release the community sponsored package also if we can figure out the bug holding it back
[20:08] <kees> mdeslaur: I worry it something like "oh, we forgot *foo*, since this is the first lucid-security update..."
[20:08] <kees> *it's
[20:09] <mdeslaur> kees: yeah, I think it's something like that also
[20:09] <mdeslaur> anyway, I've opened bug #574552
[20:09] <kees> yeah.  kind of worrisome.  that's potentially blocking all security updates, but we won't know until it's too late.  :P
[20:11] <mdeslaur> and I've got to prepare some stuff for UDS sessions
[20:11] <jdstrand> well, if it happens with the next update, we can escalate
[20:11] <mdeslaur> and that's pretty much all for me this week
[20:12] <kees> cool; sounds good.  jjohansen (or anyone else) any other things to bring up?
[20:12] <mdeslaur> oh, and I'll also take a look at the opipasswd bug
[20:12] <mdeslaur> opiepasswd
[20:13] <kees> rockin' okay, that's a wrap.  :)
[20:14] <jdstrand> o/


[00:00] <akgraner> woo hoo
[00:00] <highvoltage> ohi!
[00:00] <akgraner> #startmeeting
[00:00] <Mootbot-UK> Meeting started at 23:00. The chair is akgraner.
[00:00] <Mootbot-UK> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [PROGRESS REPORT], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[00:01] <akgraner> so who is here for the meeting?
[00:01] <pleia2> o/
[00:01] <akgraner> oh and welcome to the news team meeting :-)
[00:01] <popey> o/
[00:01] <Moiso> o/
[00:02] <akgraner> First let me apologize for not having a formal agenda
[00:02] <popey> [ACTION] Forumlate an agenda for the next meeting ;)
[00:02] <akgraner> :-)
[00:03] <akgraner> we have a page for that  - I just forgot to add to it :-/  Fail on my part
[00:03] <akgraner> So here is the link to the new ubuntu-news site  - http://ubuntu-news.org/
[00:04] <akgraner> [link] - http://ubuntu-news.org/
[00:04] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:  - http://ubuntu-news.org/
[00:04] <akgraner> [topic] discuss new "fridge" site
[00:04] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  discuss new "fridge" site
[00:04] <akgraner> thoughts
[00:05] <akgraner> there is still some tweaking to be done - but the goal is to go live on Sunday with the new release
[00:05] <akgraner> thanks to popey the old Fridge content has been added
[00:05] <akgraner> Nick Ali will be moving the image files over tomorrow
[00:06] <akgraner> and I'll be cleaning up the right hand side of the page with all the links
[00:06] <nhandler> I'm only here for a minute, but is there anything else that needs doing for the migration?
[00:06] <pleia2> looks good :)
[00:07] <akgraner> nope - only adding the images to the new site
[00:07] <akgraner> so they aren't pulling from the old one
[00:07] <pleia2> everything says posted by "admin" - is that how they will all show up no matter whose fridge account is used?
[00:07] <nhandler> pleia2: That is for the migrated posts
[00:07] <akgraner> nope
[00:07] <daker> haha my countdown
[00:07] <nhandler> pleia2: Normal posts will show up as being from the appropriate user
[00:07] <akgraner> nods
[00:07] <daker> looks good akgraner
[00:07] <pleia2> cool
[00:08] <popey> we can change owner of posts too
[00:08] <popey> thats just how they came in imported, sorry
[00:08] <akgraner> I'll be emailing the Fridge editors list to see who still wants admin on the new site
[00:08] <Moiso> it's looking very good on opera mini
[00:08] <popey> Moiso: nice!
[00:08] <pleia2> hmm, categories seems broken, it looks like everything uses "tags" but there is one "loco" category?
[00:08] <popey> hmm
[00:09] <akgraner> and blogging about people having the ability to submit original content to the fridge now
[00:09] <akgraner> hmmm
[00:09] <pleia2> actually, everything is in the loco category
[00:10] <akgraner> DOH!
[00:10] <popey> Well..
[00:10] <popey> thats part of the import it looks..
[00:10] <akgraner> so what needs to be the action item on that?
[00:10] <popey> the quick fix is to rename the loco category to 'news'
[00:10] <pleia2> yeah
[00:10] <popey> i can look at that
[00:10] <akgraner> [action] popey to fix loco category to news catergory
[00:10] <Mootbot-UK> ACTION received:  popey to fix loco category to news catergory
[00:10] <pleia2> should we even bother listing the "Categories" thing on the side bar if there is only one category?
[00:11] <highvoltage> eek, sorry I got distracted
[00:11] <popey> done :)
[00:11] <akgraner> I was hoping to have some more categories once new posts are added to this site
[00:11] <akgraner> don't you think we will need them? or will tags be fine?
[00:11] <pleia2> tags seem to be doing the job
[00:12] <pleia2> using tags and categories confuses my small brain :)
[00:12] <popey> categories are good if you want feeds separated
[00:12] <popey> i dont think you can have tag based feeds
[00:12] <popey> so if people only want to follow loco news... /category/loco/feed in their feedreader
[00:12] <popey> they should read all the news damnit!
[00:12] <akgraner> yeah what popey said...
[00:13] <pleia2> well, if it was clear what we should use a category for and what we should use a tag for, I think it's ok
[00:13] <popey> thats the only reason I can think of
[00:13] <pleia2> I've never really used tags
[00:13] <popey> separating content on different rss feeds
[00:13] <popey> e.g. the podcast uses categories _only_ to separate the mp3 and ogg feeds
[00:13] <popey> we use tags otherwise
[00:13] <highvoltage> tags are nice for adding lots of meta
[00:14] <popey> yeah
[00:14] <highvoltage> you don't want to add something to 100 categories
[00:14] <popey> +100
[00:14] <akgraner> to we need to update wikis with when to use tags and when to use categories
[00:14] <highvoltage> adding as many tags as you want is usually harmless, and makes it easier to google and find
[00:15] <pleia2> how does one add to the loco calendar? and can we add those directions to the calendar page?
[00:15] <pleia2> oh, nm, on it's own page it has directions
[00:15] <akgraner> I need to blog about that  - I think nhandler updated the page on how to do that
[00:15] <pleia2> yeah, he did :)
[00:15] <akgraner> I was just waiting until the site was live to tell people about it
[00:16]  * pleia2 nods
[00:16] <zkriesse> GOod!
[00:16] <zkriesse> I'm in time for the meeting
[00:16] <pleia2> since this is a news site, for the LoCo Teams link, is the wiki link correct - or loco directory?
[00:17] <akgraner> So is there anything that you think needs to be removed or added besides the derivative distributions
[00:17] <akgraner> pleia2, probable not - all those links need to be verified and tested before Sunday
[00:17] <pleia2> ok
[00:17] <akgraner> dang it I can't spell tonight
[00:17] <popey> akgraner: can you add a couple of actions, 1) need an akismet key (from a wordpress.com account maybe), and 2) someone needs to setup google analytics on a new google account and configure the site
[00:18] <akgraner> gotcha
[00:18] <pleia2> we're missing the giant "SUBMIT NEWS" button :)
[00:18] <akgraner> [action] Nick Ali to  1) need an akismet key (from a wordpress.com account maybe), and 2) someone needs to setup google analytics on a new google account and configure the site
[00:18] <Mootbot-UK> ACTION received:  Nick Ali to  1) need an akismet key (from a wordpress.com account maybe), and 2) someone needs to setup google analytics on a new google account and configure the site
[00:18] <pleia2> one of the great things that omgubuntu does is make it dead simple to submit news
[00:19] <akgraner> [action] add submit news button
[00:19] <Mootbot-UK> ACTION received:  add submit news button
[00:19] <akgraner> pleia2, where do want these submission to go to
[00:19] <pleia2> maybe the -news-team mailing list?
[00:19] <akgraner> one of the reasons people don't submit is b/c they don't want it to go to the mailing list
[00:20] <akgraner> for some reason people hate submitting stories to the list :-(
[00:20] <pleia2> well maybe when they click "submit news" they can be shown a link to the mailing list, or they can submit it via the form on the fridge editors page
[00:21] <akgraner> oh good idea
[00:21] <pleia2> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-fridge/+contactuser
[00:21] <pleia2> they have to be logged into LP
[00:21] <akgraner> comments will be turned on as well
[00:21] <pleia2> but I don't think that's a horrible issue
[00:22] <pleia2> unfortunately when you go to +contactuser w/o being logged in it doesn't prompt you to log in :(
[00:22] <akgraner> well you have to use open id to log in I believe
[00:23] <popey> you dont have to
[00:23] <popey> you can, but you dont have to
[00:23] <akgraner> ahh ok
[00:24] <pleia2> anyway, just some thoughts, old fridge always bugged me with it's non-simple/non-obvious way of submitting news
[00:24] <akgraner> so we need to verify that all submissions are moderated and reviewed before hitting the front page of the site
[00:24] <akgraner> pleia2, I agree
[00:25] <akgraner> pleia2, do you have time to add a button?
[00:25] <pleia2> no, sorry :(
[00:25] <akgraner> no worries
[00:25]  * pleia2 flies out on saturday morning
[00:25]  * popey is looking at it now
[00:26] <akgraner> ahh that's right sorry I forgot
[00:26] <akgraner> popey thanks
[00:27] <akgraner> ok so any other thoughts
[00:27] <akgraner> on the Fridge as it is right now
[00:27] <highvoltage> oh yes it's wordpress
[00:27] <highvoltage> so it has feeds by tags :)
[00:27] <akgraner> well ubuntu-news as it is right now
[00:27] <Moiso> what's going to be in the about page?
[00:28] <akgraner> I need to move content about the site and team over
[00:28] <popey> http://ubuntu-news.org/  - see top right
[00:28] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:  http://ubuntu-news.org/  - see top right
[00:28] <popey> "Add News"
[00:28] <popey> its customisable, but that was just a quick test
[00:28] <popey> it submits for approval in a queue
[00:28] <pleia2> oh, neat
[00:28] <popey> doesn't have to be _there_ of course :)
[00:28] <akgraner> cool
[00:29] <popey> just a test thats all :)
[00:29] <pleia2> maybe a pretty button that goes to a full page that has those fields (so it's easier to type in)
[00:30] <akgraner> pleia2, do you think martin would make us a killer button
[00:30] <pleia2> I hope so :)
[00:30] <akgraner> and Ubuntu News "that was easy" button :-)
[00:30] <pleia2> none of us have such mad skillz
[00:30] <pleia2> hehe
[00:31] <akgraner> [action] ask martin owens to help create a submit news button
[00:31] <Mootbot-UK> ACTION received:  ask martin owens to help create a submit news button
[00:31] <akgraner> pleia2, great idea - popey do you know how to do that?
[00:32] <popey> yes
[00:32] <pleia2> akgraner: can we make the RSS link a bit more prominent?
[00:32] <popey> I'd get martin to give the whole site the once-over tbh
[00:32] <pleia2> excellent
[00:32] <popey> I'll remove that little submission box for now
[00:32] <popey> just wanted to show its possible
[00:33] <pleia2> :)
[00:33] <akgraner> pleia2, I am sure there is a way - just got find it :-)
[00:34] <akgraner> so google analytics is in place
[00:34] <popey> have moved rss to the top
[00:34] <popey> needs a big fat icon though
[00:34] <pleia2> yeah
[00:34] <akgraner> yep
[00:35] <akgraner> List of things to ask Martin is growing :-)
[00:35] <akgraner> Also we are going to give UWN it's own page so there is one click from the rss feed for it and you get the whole content
[00:36] <akgraner> but that's not pressing atm
[00:36] <akgraner> so any other suggestions? thoughts? comments?
[00:37] <pleia2> great work to all the people who worked on it :)
[00:38] <akgraner> thanks- I'll send out thank you's on Sunday from the whole team.
[00:39] <akgraner> So the plan is to roll this out on Sunday with the new release..
[00:39] <akgraner> any objections?
[00:40] <akgraner> so all the "offical" stuff rolls out together
[00:41] <akgraner> alrighty then
[00:41] <akgraner> [topic] Ubuntu Weekly newsletter
[00:41] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  Ubuntu Weekly newsletter
[00:41] <akgraner> how many people have looked at the wiki pages with the new light theme
[00:42] <pleia2> not me :\
[00:42] <akgraner> UWN looks aweful with the new theme
[00:42] <akgraner> awful even
[00:43] <akgraner> which is one of the reason for giving UWN it's own area on the Fridge
[00:43] <akgraner> the layout is still being worked on and suggestions are welcome
[00:43] <akgraner> we'll still have the wiki page as some people love reading it from there
[00:43] <akgraner> but  - we need a prettier version
[00:44]  * zkriesse 's ears perk up at that word.....wiki....
[00:45] <Moiso> yep it looks outdated, even more with the new news site been so great
[00:45] <akgraner> also I am working on a survey to go out with issue 213 which was due for Monday but as you can see that just didn't happen - but I'll get 213 tomorrow with the survey and 214 will be back on schedule
[00:45] <akgraner> oh and everyone welcom Moiso he is the newest volunteer to the team :-)  Thanks Moiso!!!
[00:46] <Moiso> yay!
[00:46] <Moiso> Tnx
[00:47] <akgraner> and people are missing getting it on Sunday
[00:48] <akgraner> but unless we can get everything in place on Saturday then Sunday won't work - I can't ask anyone to give up every weekend
[00:49] <akgraner> thoughts?
[00:49] <akgraner> crickets...
[00:50] <akgraner> alrighty then
[00:51] <akgraner> no comments questions thoughts on UWN?
[00:51] <akgraner> anything else from anyone? before we end the meeting?
[00:53] <Moiso> Is there a link to the news site from ubuntu home?
[00:53] <akgraner> I'll add it to the News team wiki
[00:53] <akgraner> Moiso, do you mean Ubuntu.com?
[00:54] <akgraner> or something else?
[00:55] <Moiso> Yep, it's were people heads to
[00:55] <akgraner> we can request it
[00:55] <akgraner> [action] request ubuntu-news link be added to Ubuntu.com
[00:55] <Mootbot-UK> ACTION received:  request ubuntu-news link be added to Ubuntu.com
[00:55] <akgraner> ok so do you all want to keep it the fridge or Call it Ubuntu News
[00:56] <akgraner> people tell me "the fridge" confuses them - I am just asking to see what you all think
[00:56] <akgraner> I'll add this question to the survey as well
[00:56] <pleia2> I'm quite fond of fridge historically, but it's not obvious to newcomers
[00:57] <Moiso> yeeeea like me
[00:57] <akgraner> nods
[00:58] <akgraner> I was trying to find a way to use them both
[00:59] <Moiso> I mean people just google ubuntu news, it could be in some for of meta tag
[00:59] <pleia2> if we can find a way to use both, that'd be nice :)
[01:00] <akgraner> Ubuntu News: (something Fridge)
[01:00] <akgraner> [action] tagline for new site using fridge and news
[01:00] <Mootbot-UK> ACTION received:  tagline for new site using fridge and news
[01:01] <akgraner> anything else or thoughts on anything before we end?
[01:01] <akgraner> well anything fridge or UWN related
[01:02] <akgraner> Oh I know - after UDS I wanted to do weekly training sessions on how to produce and publish UWN - so think about what you would like to know and when would be good times for people
[01:02] <pleia2> cool
[01:03] <akgraner> motion to adjourn or does someone have anything else
[01:04] <akgraner> Next meeting November 4th - I'll send out a doodle poll to find out the best times again now that we have new people
[01:04] <akgraner> thanks everyone! You rock!
[01:04] <akgraner> #endmeeting
[01:04] <Mootbot-UK> Meeting finished at 00:04.
[01:04] <akgraner> whew!
[01:05] <pleia2> thanks akgraner :)
[01:05] <akgraner> you're welcome
[01:05] <akgraner> again - sorry about the slack agenda for this meeting
[01:06] <Moiso> tnx to all of you keep up the good work
[01:07] <Moiso> keep up the good work people
[01:07] <akgraner> Moiso, I hope you will enjoy being on the team
[01:07] <akgraner> :-)
[01:10] <Moiso> I'll for sure
[01:10] <Moiso> Bye
[01:10] <akgraner> Moiso, bye :-)  thanks for attending
[03:09] <nhandler> akgraner: Sorry for missing the meeting
[03:09] <akgraner> nhandler, no worries  - so was tonight your concert?
[03:10] <nhandler> akgraner: Yeah. It was the chorus concert, but they recruited about 8 brass players to play along with them for the final piece.
[03:11] <akgraner> great!  I did the final alterations on the color guard uniforms tonight
[03:11] <akgraner> 21 of them :-)
[16:09] <newz2000> akgraner: hey, got a question for you on the redirect for the fridge
[16:09] <newz2000> The IS team hasn't said "no" but they have wondered if you want a blind redirect
[16:09] <newz2000> vs. maybe creating an interstital page that says, "the fridge has changed, now it's …"
[16:10] <newz2000> (copy and pasted from my other ping in #ubuntu-website)
[16:13] <newz2000> Also, IS says that a lot of the site visitors are htting the rss feed, so whatever is done it may be a good plan to redirect to the new feed
[16:23] <popey> can we get a mod-rewrite?
[16:23] <popey> also note that the rss feed at the top left of old fridge actually uses feedburner
[16:24] <popey> whoever set that up can point feedburner at the new feed url
[16:27]  * newz2000 wonders if he did that
[16:28] <newz2000> ooh, it was me
[16:28] <newz2000> but how could the feed be so popular on the fridge then, it should only be a few hits a day
[16:29] <newz2000> Not everyone is using the feedburner feed
[16:34] <newz2000> here's the feed stats: http://paste.ubuntu.com/508865/
[16:36] <newz2000> updating feedburner will not affect those subscribed using these feeds
[16:36] <newz2000> (keep in mind that this is less than one day's worth of numbers)
[17:55] <popey> planet pulls from fridge
[17:56] <popey> however that goes direct
[17:56] <popey> that needs fixing
[17:56] <popey> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/planetubuntu/feed
[17:56] <popey> is where planet gets its fridge news from
[17:57] <popey> some of those are specific to releases, e.g. http://fridge.ubuntu.com/taxonomy/term/57/0/feed is the jaunty feed
[17:58] <popey> i would point _all_ of them at the main http://ubuntu-news.org/feed/ url myself
[17:58] <popey> thats only a few lines of mod-rewrite and you're done
[17:59] <popey> imo
[17:59] <popey> :)
[17:59] <popey> .76
[17:59] <popey> bah :)
[18:15] <akgraner> newz2000, hey
[18:15] <akgraner> sorry had to run to my kids school
[18:16] <akgraner> nick has the new rss feed set-up now
[18:17] <akgraner> also who set up the ubuntunews twitter feed as well
[18:17] <akgraner> nick thought he had access but he doesn't
[18:22] <akgraner> newz2000, I was just thinking blind re-direct
[18:27] <akgraner> also can someone add the new rss feed to the planet
[19:43] <newz2000> I suggest updating the feedburner feed and then submitting that to planet
[19:44] <newz2000> I don't know who did the twitter stuff, it wasn't me
[19:48] <akgraner> newz2000, ahh ok will do
[21:05] <doctormo> hello
[21:05] <pleia2> oh good, akgraner is around :)
[21:05] <akgraner> yep
[21:05] <pleia2> doctormo: secret new fridge http://ubuntu-news.org/
[21:06] <akgraner> we need you to look over the site :-)
[21:06] <akgraner> and give some thoughts
[21:06] <akgraner> we need a Submit news button
[21:06] <akgraner> something that stands out - yet goes with the site
[21:07] <akgraner> and a new logo -:-) we aren't going with sub-zero but need something like Ubuntu News on The Fridge or something
[21:08] <pleia2> oh, I like "Ubuntu News on The Fridge"
[21:08] <akgraner> me too
[21:08] <akgraner> I keep coming back to that
[21:09] <akgraner> keeps "The Fridge" element for nostalgia and uses news for those who are confused by what the Fridge means
[21:09]  * pleia2 nods
[21:09] <akgraner> and associates news and fridge for people
[21:10] <akgraner> so hopefully Ubuntu News and The Fridge will mean the same in people's minds
[21:10] <akgraner> doctormo, is that too tall of an order?
[21:10] <akgraner> oh and we go live on Sunday :-)
[21:11] <doctormo> akgraner: Working on it.
[21:11] <pleia2> I think I'm going to need to send doctormo a christmas card stuffed with cash for all the work I've asked him to do this year :)
[21:11] <akgraner> doctormo, you rock!!! thank you!
[21:11] <akgraner> pleia2, I was thinking beers at UDS :-)
[21:11] <pleia2> hehe
[21:12] <doctormo> pleia2: I'm happy to help, akgraner: Make that a good sweet wine, hard liquor or just a good non-alcoholic drink.
[21:12] <akgraner> :-)  we can arrange that!
[21:22] <popey> of course one reason for the high number of hits on the rss feed is that twitter.com/ubuntunews grabs it
[21:23] <doctormo> akgraner, pleia2: http://imagebin.ca/view/SEPFfMm.html
[21:23] <akgraner> oh I like it :-)
[21:23] <pleia2> nice :)
[21:24] <doctormo> Also available in square
[21:25] <akgraner> I like the rounded edge - but what do you think pleia2 (or anyone else)
[21:25] <pleia2> I think rounded is good
[21:25] <akgraner> makes it just different enough to stand out without looking tacky :-)
[21:27] <doctormo> http://imagebin.ca/view/2I4aldnB.html
[21:27] <akgraner> I like that too, but the rounded one even better
[21:28] <pleia2> I like rounded better
[21:29] <doctormo> OK
[21:40] <popey> here's a thing
[21:41] <popey> ubuntu-news is (allegedly) "official" news isnt it?
[21:41] <doctormo> This isn't what you asked for: http://imagebin.ca/view/zRmaKO.html
[21:41] <popey> we should know whats going on
[21:41] <akgraner> hey newz2000 look at http://voices.canonical.com/ is that list supposed to over the posts?
[21:41] <popey> does it give people the wrong impression if we're asking for news?
[21:42] <newz2000> akgraner: if seems reasonable considering those images are huge
[21:42] <akgraner> ahh ok
[21:42] <akgraner> just looked weird to me :-)
[21:43] <akgraner> popey, well  - we'll have to tell people we reserve the right to verify all articles and story suggestions
[21:43] <akgraner> and we ask for news now too
[21:43] <popey> sure
[21:43] <akgraner> it's just not as noticeable
[21:44] <akgraner> but I think the only time people see the submit news ideas is for UWN
[21:45] <akgraner> but we really want the community helping us find the news b/c we aren't everywhere
[21:47] <akgraner> I guess that can go on the about page  - suggestions and guidelines for stories - with a link to the wikis for a more detailed explanation
[21:48] <doctormo> The background is there for show only: http://imagebin.ca/view/6vaNdbD7.html <- pleia2, akgraner and popey
[21:50] <akgraner> doctormo, can the circle be the "circle of friends" with the newspaper in it?
[21:50] <akgraner> I like though
[21:50] <doctormo> I tried that, it looked very awkward
[21:51] <akgraner> ahhh ok
[21:52] <akgraner> :-)
[21:56] <doctormo> akgraner: Besides this way it shows ubuntu in the news rather than news just for the inner circle ;-)
[21:58] <doctormo> If you'd like me to come up with more designs, I could always pinch some ideas from thorwil, he's  great *dreamy eyes*
[21:59] <akgraner> I like it.. :-) but if you want to run it past someone else that would be fine to - but will go with it as it is right now
[22:01] <akgraner> doctormo, can I send the link to the News image as is or is there another file that I should send to have it added to the banner?
[22:05] <akgraner> doctormo, nm - you said background was for show
[22:06] <doctormo> akgraner: Yea the background is from what you already have, so what I will give you is a bunch of svg files.
[22:07] <doctormo> Second design: http://imagebin.ca/view/zlvJ1-rn.html <- pleia2, popey, akgraner
[22:11] <akgraner> hmmm
[22:11] <akgraner> I think I like the 1st one
[22:13] <doctormo> http://imagebin.ca/view/DF_gaME.html slight texture change
[22:18] <popey> do/6
[22:18] <popey> bah
[22:18] <popey> .6
[22:23] <akgraner> newz2000, here is the rss feed to the new site - http://ubuntu-news.org/?feed=rss2
[22:26] <akgraner> doctormo, thank you!!!
[22:27] <akgraner> logo and news button - done :-)  thanks doctormo again
[22:28] <akgraner> nick is adding those now
[22:29] <akgraner> (I think)
[22:29] <akgraner> nhandler, hey did you set up the twitter feeds?
[22:30] <akgraner> also how to to whom do we need to talk to to get this forwarded to the Forums
[22:31] <doctormo> akgraner: You guys are welcome, happy to help.
[22:31] <newz2000> akgraner: ok, thanks
[22:31] <akgraner> see ya in a week!
[22:32] <akgraner> doctormo, I mean 2 weeks
[22:32] <akgraner> ugh  - all the days are running together
[22:32] <akgraner> heck 3 weeks even
[22:32] <akgraner> whatever see ya at UDS  - blah!
[22:33] <popey> akgraner: technically thats not the feed url
[22:33] <nhandler> ak	What twitter feeds?
[22:34] <popey> http://ubuntu-news.org/feed  is
[22:35] <nhandler> akgraner: If we are ready, I can get the forum link taken care of. I already poked someone about that a few weeks ago
[22:35] <akgraner> UGH
[22:35] <nhandler> akgraner: But what twitter feeds were you talking about? The UDS ones?
[22:36] <akgraner> the ones that get posted to twitter when something is posted on the Fridge
[22:37] <akgraner> popey, so the rss feed that newz needs is? what you listed above for the feedburner re-direct
[22:37] <nhandler> akgraner: What account is that? I know I setup a few rss2twitter accounts, but I'm not sure if I did that one
[22:37] <popey> 22:34:05 < popey> http://ubuntu-news.org/feed  is
[22:37] <akgraner> newz2000, ^^^^
[22:39] <akgraner> nhandler, ubuntunews
[22:41] <akgraner> we'd like to keep ubuntunews as the twitter account
[22:49] <nhandler> akgraner: I didn't register it. First post I am seeing is from December 24, 2007. I'm not sure who registered it. Maybe boredandblogging ?
[22:50] <akgraner> he said he didn't
[22:50] <akgraner> hmmm
[22:56] <nhandler> Well, I just did a forgot my password for that account. So everyone, just check your inbox ;)
[22:56] <akgraner> thanks
[23:01] <akgraner> doctormo, can you change the "send news tip" button to "submit" news tip?
[23:09] <popey> the worst thing would be if that account was setup with an @ubuntu.com address for someone who is no longer a member
[23:10] <doctormo> akgraner: yes
[23:10] <doctormo> akgraner: But so could you, either with inkscape or a text editor.
[23:11] <akgraner> oh really :-)  I'll give it a try then :-)  woo hoo!
[23:11] <akgraner> brb
[23:18] <popey> i reckon I know who regsitered the twitter :)
[23:18] <popey> bit of detective work
[23:18] <popey> going back through all the stories on the old fridge, i found one published on the 23rd
[23:19] <popey> Corey Burger
[23:19] <popey> I'll drop him a mail
[23:20] <popey> done
[23:21] <nhandler> Nice job popey. I thought most of the older fridge posts all showed up as coming from a dummy editors account, which is why I didn't look
[23:22] <popey> they did, but he put his name on one :)
[23:22] <popey> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1279
[23:22] <popey> not damning evidence, but good enough
[23:22] <akgraner> popey thanks!
[23:23] <popey> nick has lots of identi.ca ones
[23:23] <akgraner> doctormo, your were right  - I used inkscape and changed it :-)
[23:24] <popey> akgraner: is nick _sure_ he didn't, he made twitter.com/planetubuntu
[23:24] <akgraner> I told him to check his email
[23:24] <akgraner> :-/
[23:24] <popey> heh
[23:25] <akgraner> ok so what else  are we missing?
[23:26] <akgraner> logo's are going in
[23:26] <akgraner> new links will be added
[23:26] <akgraner> we have identified rss feeds and newz2000 will fix that redirect
[23:27] <akgraner> Ok I guess one of us needs to post to the old fridge - and just mention we are moving so s#$t might break
[23:27] <newz2000> akgraner: I'm getting non-commitall answers from IS
[23:27]  * akgraner bangs my head on my keyboard
[23:28] <akgraner> on the re-direct?
[23:28] <nhandler> popey: Hmm...I should talk to him about @planetubuntu. I have @planetubuntu on identi.ca
[23:28] <akgraner> newz2000, what else do they need?
[23:29] <popey> we should unify these accounts
[23:29] <newz2000> akgraner: Just time to think about it, I suspect
[23:29] <popey> have them in escrow
[23:29] <popey> we have so many accounts all over the place
[23:29] <akgraner> ugh - they've had a whole cycle
[23:29] <popey> worst day to flip the switch though akgraner to be fair to them
[23:30] <popey> y'know there's like two days in the entire year which are least best for them :D
[23:31] <akgraner> yeah I know - but other Canonical people thought it was a great idea for it to go live with the new release
[23:31] <popey> of course :)
[23:31] <akgraner> hmmm
[23:31] <popey> ideas don't write mod-rewrite rules though :)
[23:31] <akgraner> I know
[23:32] <popey> *hugs*
[23:32] <doctormo> akgraner: All part of the job of encouraging self sustainablity.
[23:32] <doctormo> popey: yet
[23:32] <akgraner> :-)
[23:34] <akgraner> newz2000, let me know if there is anything else I need to do to nudge people in that direction
[23:35] <akgraner> not that I have influence... but will help where I can
[23:37] <akgraner> you told them the get full access to the server and all that jazz right?
[23:37] <akgraner> I just need to know who needs it
[23:38] <akgraner> so I can send all their information to Nick
[23:46] <nhandler> akgraner: Once we release the new fridge, we should probably do a mini Q&A/training session in here for editors
[23:48] <akgraner> nods
[23:51] <akgraner> so we need a Welcome to Ubuntu News on The Fridge post linking to the about page - and we need a post on the old fridge saying we're moving
[23:52] <akgraner> and the about page needs to be updated
[23:54] <doctormo> akgraner: How would I become a source of Ubuntu News? How would I be able to automatically feed ubuntu-related announcement blog entries directly there? For the art community etc.
[23:58] <akgraner> one sec phone
[23:58] <akgraner> brb


[00:02] <huwshimi> hatch: Just wondering if you know how the ambiguous relation menu is supposed to look?
[00:38] <hatch> huwshimi: hey - it's supposed to look better
[00:38] <hatch> :)
[00:39] <huwshimi> hatch: OK, better :)
[00:39] <hatch> yeah there are no mockups so just better :)
[00:41] <huwshimi> alrighty then
[02:46] <kadams54> hatch: I saw the PR of all PRs finally landed.
[14:32] <hatch> jujugui lf a review and qa on removing the as flag https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/643
[14:32] <jcsackett> hatch: looking now.
[14:32] <hatch> thanks
[14:41] <hatch> jujugui need one more review for ^
[14:42] <kadams54> hatch: looking
[14:42] <hatch> thanks
[14:42] <hatch> rick_h_: are you ok with the flag removal landing?
[14:43] <rick_h_> hatch: is it ready? :)
[14:43] <rick_h_> hatch: yea, I need to find time to get over to the GUI side and QA and such. Will try to do that once we get the release going today
[14:43] <hatch> well there is one known bug - so i'd like to get the flag removed so we can catch any related bugs while doing the remaining work
[14:44] <rick_h_> hatch: rgr
[14:44] <hatch> there were so many mv related bugs after removing the flag that I want to avoid that
[14:44] <kadams54> hatch: what's the one known bug?
[14:44]  * kadams54 really hopes it's the card he's working on.
[14:45] <hatch> kadams54:  it's theorange card in this project
[14:45] <hatch> about the toggling of the highlight button
[14:47] <hatch> kadams54: is that the one you are working on? I was just about to grab it
[14:47] <kadams54> No
[14:47] <hatch> ok taking
[14:48] <kadams54> But I disagree  with the card that unhighlight needs to be changed to method calls
[14:48] <hatch> Huw did a great job styling the ambiguous relation dialog last night
[14:48] <kadams54> Or rather, I'm highly skeptical ;-)
[14:48] <rick_h_> because huw is awesome :)
[14:48] <hatch> haha he is
[14:48] <hatch> kadams54: yeah first I need to figure out why it only is an issue with ghost services and not deployed ones
[14:48] <hatch> then will figure out an appropriate fix
[14:48] <kadams54> Good stuff - looking forward to seeing it in action
[15:17] <marcoceppi> for manage.jujucharms.com, I only get 20 results back everytime I search which makes queries like type=approved&series=trusty worthless
[15:18] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: &limit=1000?
[15:18] <marcoceppi> changes nothing
[15:19] <hatch> kadams54: fixed it
[15:19] <hatch> without changing it to a method
[15:19] <hatch> just going to write the test now and then I'll have it up
[15:19] <kadams54> hatch: sweet. What needed fixing?
[15:19] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: looking
[15:20] <kadams54> Sign me up for QA and review :-)
[15:20] <hatch> heh will do
[15:20] <hatch> you were on the right track with your fix but looking the wrong direction ;)
[15:22] <hatch> now the question is...does it work with relations
[15:23] <kadams54> And does it work with machine view
[15:23] <hatch> *snif* it does *snif* it's...so....beautiful
[15:23] <kadams54> And does it work when you turn highlight on for one service and hide 3 other services, two of which aren't related at all to the highlighted one.
[15:24] <kadams54> And does it work when you go in the reverse direction
[15:24] <kadams54> kadams54: snap out of it! *slap*
[15:24] <kadams54> kadams54: Thanks, I needed that.
[15:24] <hatch> yep everything is good - but ghosted services don't hide properly in the machine views
[15:24] <hatch> I'll make a card for that for you
[15:25] <kadams54> *sob*
[15:25] <kadams54> It took us a week to implement 90% of added services.
[15:25] <hatch> hah - well you know the mv stuff the best
[15:26] <kadams54> And then someone *ahem* said, "hey, could we tweak how this works?" And bam, three weeks later.
[15:26] <hatch> yeah but it's stable now
[15:26] <hatch> :)
[15:26] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: ugh, not sure man. We've not landed any new code there in forever but yes, all queries are maxing out at 20 results.
[15:26] <marcoceppi> \o/
[15:27] <marcoceppi> cool, well that's fine for now I just won't mess with charm-tools for a bit
[15:27] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: https://api.jujucharms.com/v4/search?series=trusty&limit=600
[15:27] <marcoceppi> :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo
[15:27] <rick_h_> if you need some info right now the new api has it working
[15:27] <marcoceppi> ITS SO FAST
[15:27] <rick_h_> :) only the ids returned
[15:27] <rick_h_> but yea, much faster
[15:27] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: but don't rely on this yet. It's still early and the url is going to change/etc
[15:27] <marcoceppi> also, whats the way to get just approved
[15:27] <marcoceppi> or promulgated or whatever
[15:28] <marcoceppi> too late, already dependant on it
[15:28] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: but can help https://api.jujucharms.com/v4/search?series=trusty&owner=&limit=600
[15:28] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: setting owner= (empty) will show approved
[15:28] <marcoceppi> \o/
[15:28] <hatch> kadams54: are there no tests for the onHighlightToggle methods?
[15:28] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: raising a bug on charmworld and will see. For now let me konw and we can help get you the info needed from the new api endpoint to unblock.
[15:29] <marcoceppi> that unblocks me for now
[15:29] <kadams54> hatch: There should be. One moment…
[15:29] <hatch> ahh they are tested as side effects
[15:29] <marcoceppi> won't put it in the charmtools stuff
[15:30] <kadams54> hatch: test_added_services_view.js, around line 304
[15:30] <kadams54> That tests directly.
[15:32] <hatch> well it doesnt' send any service names
[15:32] <hatch> looks like I'll have to modify the suite so I can test with a ghost service id too
[15:36] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: thanks, here's the bug whenever you guys get time https://bugs.launchpad.net/charmworld/+bug/1390127 no real rush
[15:37] <mup> Bug #1390127: All queries are limited to 20 results regardless of limit parameter <charmworld:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1390127>
[15:37] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: ty
[15:53] <rick_h_> jujugui call in 8 please kanban
[15:56] <hatch> jujugui lf a review and qa https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/645
[15:56] <hatch> kadams54: ^
[15:57] <kadams54> Will look after standup
[15:57] <hatch> hows your branch coming along?
[15:57] <hatch> jcsackett: I'll do the other review on huws branch
[16:19] <hatch> kadams54: your card in the maintenance lane - is it landed?
[16:21] <kadams54> hatch: ah, yeah, missed that
[16:26] <hatch> jcsackett: I'm not able to reproduce this bug any longer - could you give it a try on comingsoon to see if it's indeed fixed? https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1339093
[16:26] <mup> Bug #1339093: Drag and drop failing with syntax error <juju-gui:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1339093>
[16:27] <jcsackett> hatch: looks fixed to me.
[16:27] <hatch> thanks, closing
[16:30] <hatch> jujugui anyone need any reviews?
[16:35] <kadams54> hatch, Makyo: https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/642 is ready for reviews and QA.
[16:36] <hatch> kadams54: you didn't reply to my comment
[16:37] <hatch> actually I'm pretty confused by the override thing too
[16:38] <kadams54> hatch: I just replied to your comment.
[16:38] <kadams54> And I addressed the override thing.
[16:41] <hatch> kadams54: ok so your reply should be in a comment in the code - github is being odd and not showing replies in the code for some reason :/
[16:41] <kadams54> I did put a comment in the code… the XXX bit.
[16:41] <hatch> I do't see any comment about the override
[16:41] <kadams54> Oh, by "comment in the code", do you mean on the PR?
[16:41] <kadams54> Or in the code in the code?
[16:41] <hatch> right but that doesn't say why you couldn't use the real property in the template
[16:42] <kadams54> Ah, OK
[16:42] <hatch> and I still don't understand override
[16:42] <hatch> that api seems very....fragile
[16:42] <kadams54> It is
[16:42] <kadams54> And it's all temporary
[16:43] <kadams54> There needs to be some way to distinguish between renders that happen after a button click and those that happen on initial view render.
[16:43] <kadams54> The override flag does that job.
[16:44] <kadams54> We need to be able to tell, because in one situation (initial render) we want to override the local attributes with the service attributes. In the other (after a button click) we don't want to override.
[16:44] <kadams54> We don't want to override because the service attributes are being set to their new values asynchronously and may actually still be the old values at render time.
[16:45] <kadams54> Which would result in the just-clicked button being rendered as inactive.
[16:45] <kadams54> All of this is way too much for code that is intended to be very short-lived, so I'd rather just stick with the current XXX comment and get a card in for the long-term fix.
[16:47] <hatch> kadams54: ok review done
[16:48] <hatch> rick_h_: I'm going to work on https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1375918 - it might take a while, I have no idea :)
[16:48] <mup> Bug #1375918: units can be created without a service causing cascading failures <juju-gui:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1375918>
[17:00] <hatch> kadams54: maybe I'm doing something wrong but I can't get your branch to qa properly
[17:01] <kadams54> hatch: how so?
[17:01] <hatch> it doesn't work heh
[17:01] <hatch> even after clearing cache and all that
[17:01] <hatch> it's like nothing has changed wrt the button statuses
[17:01] <hatch> maybe could you try rebasing your branch with develop and checking locally
[17:02] <hatch> possible something landed that broke it?
[17:05] <hatch> frankban: hey are you still in?
[17:05] <frankban> hatch: yes on call
[17:05] <hatch> np ping when you have a moment
[17:05] <kadams54> hatch: Bah, no, I broke it myself in the last commit, the one called "review feedback"
[17:05] <hatch> :) ok lemme know when it's fixed
[17:08] <kadams54> Fixed.
[17:10] <hatch> testing
[17:12] <hatch> kadams54: +1
[17:15] <hatch> does demo.jujucharms.com use a different font than when deployed locally?
[17:16] <hatch> they appear to be the same
[17:19] <hatch> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1390161
[17:19] <mup> Bug #1390161: demo.jujucharms.com and locally deployed GUI has different weighted fonts <juju-gui:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1390161>
[17:19] <frankban> hatch: what's up?
[17:20] <hatch> frankban: well I'm going to be working on  https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1375918
[17:20] <mup> Bug #1375918: units can be created without a service causing cascading failures <juju-gui:Triaged by hatch> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1375918>
[17:20] <hatch> so this is the one about creating units using 'new' instead of trying to guess the id
[17:21] <frankban> hatch: ok
[17:21] <hatch> I was just wondering if there were any issues you could forsee using this approach
[17:21] <hatch> I can't htink of anything - the machine view seems to work well with it
[17:21]  * frankban thinks
[17:24] <frankban> hatch: the more I think about it, the more I feel that units and machines are very similar on that perspective. so I don't see problems (excluding the required changes on the ecs)
[17:24] <hatch> yeah this change is going to be substantial for sure
[17:24] <hatch> what I don't want to do is implement it then think of a better approach
[17:24] <hatch> either for units or machins
[17:24] <hatch> machines
[17:25] <hatch> newX is certainly prettier than some random id string
[17:25] <frankban> hatch: we can never know what's the next id assigned to new entities in juju
[17:26] <frankban> hatch: that's why the new prefix succeeded in putting ghost machines under a different namespace, avoiding the clashes we have for units
[17:26] <frankban> hatch: so mysql/new1, wordpress/new2 sounds reasonable and also does not look bad
[17:26] <hatch> true true
[17:27] <hatch> this will all fall apart if juju gets ecs in core
[17:27] <hatch> so I suppose that's not a concern either
[17:28] <frankban> hatch: exactly, once we have more state from juju we can avoid pretending to have a state in the browser
[17:29] <hatch> frankban: ok thanks - I'm now more confident that I can emulate the same approach with units :)
[17:29] <frankban> hatch: yes np
[17:33] <hatch> rick_h_: I think this is a critical regression https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1390165
[17:33] <mup> Bug #1390165: container tokens are not rendered <juju-gui:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1390165>
[17:33] <hatch> it exists in the released version
[17:33] <rick_h_> hatch: rgr, then please start that, I'm afk for a little bit
[17:33] <hatch> will do
[17:54] <hatch> kadams54: I see you have picked up the card I created - were you able to reproduce the issue or do you need more details
[17:54] <hatch> re the ghost service machine token hiding
[17:54] <kadams54> Yeah, I reproduced it
[17:54] <hatch> ok great
[17:54] <hatch> I'm going to grab some lunch
[18:48] <kadams54> hatch: I know why ghost machines aren't being highlighted properly. I just don't know how to fix it.
[18:52] <kadams54> Well, maybe I do.
[18:57] <kadams54> Seems that I do. Yay.
[19:03] <hatch> haha yay
[19:04] <hatch> jujugui need one more review on https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/645
[19:05] <Makyo> jujugui trivial 1 review/qa for https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/646
[19:06] <hatch> sure
[19:06] <kadams54> I'll look at both.
[19:06] <kadams54> Or hatch and I will split.
[19:06] <kadams54> Either way.
[19:06] <hatch> kadams54: he still needs 2
[19:06] <hatch> and I need one that's not him :)
[19:06] <hatch> so yep you'll do both ;)
[19:08] <hatch> +1 Makyo
[19:14] <kadams54> Makyo, hatch: For the trifecta: https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/647
[19:14] <Makyo> On it
[19:14] <hatch> kadams54: interesting...
[19:15] <hatch> kadams54: needs tests
[19:15] <hatch> :)
[19:15] <hatch> might as well start on that now :P
[19:15] <kadams54> hatch: got a merge conflict when trying to pull in your #645
[19:16] <hatch> ahh probably in the tests?
[19:16] <hatch> ok fixing
[19:16] <kadams54> hatch: IIRC, setMVVisibility was tested indirectly. I did verify that all tests passed. That said, having some direct tests would not be a bad idea, but I'd prefer to handle it in a separate card.
[19:17] <hatch> kadams54: right - but there was a bug
[19:17] <hatch> you fixed it
[19:17] <hatch> the tests didn't change
[19:17] <hatch> so the tests were insufficient
[19:17] <kadams54> Not my fault the original author didn't write any direct tests :-)
[19:17] <hatch> well even the indirect tests are likely insufficient then
[19:18] <kadams54> I agree, I just think that's outside the scope of this card.
[19:20] <hatch> how do you figure?
[19:20] <hatch> you didn't update the tests to test for the failure
[19:20] <hatch> so how can we be sure that the next branch that lands doesn't break it again?
[19:21] <kadams54> It would be one thing if there had been tests originally and I just needed to update them. But since they need to be written from scratch, I feel like it's a big enough chunk of work to justify a separate card.
[19:21] <kadams54> Which I will tackle next.
[19:23] <hatch> I'm pretty sure it's just an extra couple assertions in the browser events test file
[19:24] <hatch> in an existing test
[19:24] <hatch> but if you would like to create a new test suite for the unit tests I suppose that would be more thorough
[19:24] <kadams54> I'd like to get something pretty thorough wrapped around it.
[19:24] <kadams54> It's a pretty important bit of logic.
[19:25] <kadams54> Especially with that crazy nested looping going on.
[19:26] <hatch> conflict resolved on #645
[19:30] <kadams54> hatch: commented on #645. I'll get to work on a test suite for setMVVisibility.
[19:32] <hatch> kadams54: so I had thought of that initially but was concerned about people modifying the ghost display name then playing with the added services stuff
[19:33] <hatch> tbh I'm not sure it's an issue
[19:34] <hatch> actually it shouldn't matter because it's in a blocking loop
[19:34] <hatch> will make the change
[19:35] <hatch> afp is a frustrating protocol, if it's not being used it closes the connection
[19:35] <hatch> then doesn't reopen when you try to access
[19:36] <hatch> and unfortunately there is no --keep-alive
[19:43] <kadams54> Why are you dealing with AFP?!?
[19:43] <kadams54> (Unless you mean something other than Apple Filing Protocol.)
[19:43] <hatch> lol
[19:44] <hatch> kadams54: my host os is OSX so in order to properly mount my NAS into OSX I need to use AFP
[19:44] <kadams54> You can't use SMB?
[19:44] <hatch> OSX has huge issues with mounting anything using 'normal' prototcols
[19:44] <kadams54> Apple has had AFP deprecated for years now, though they only started migrating away from it in Mavericks.
[19:45] <kadams54> But still, you're on Yosemite, so you ought to be able to use SMB.
[19:45] <hatch> are you sure you'r enot mixing it up?
[19:45] <kadams54> Pretty sure.
[19:45] <hatch> I moved to AFP in mavericks because other techniques woudln't work
[19:45] <kadams54> And you're sure the problem wasn't PIBKAC?
[19:46] <hatch> I was originally using SSHFS I believe
[19:46] <hatch> which was poorly supported
[19:46] <hatch> NFS etc
[19:47] <hatch> maybe that's fixed and I can stop using this horrible bs
[19:47] <hatch> hah
[19:47] <kadams54> http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/06/11/apple-shifts-from-afp-file-sharing-to-smb2-in-os-x-109-mavericks
[19:48] <hatch> lemme check if my synology supports smb
[19:48] <kadams54> What file system are you using on your NAS?
[19:50] <hatch> ahh just updated it and there is a smb2
[19:50] <hatch> option
[19:50] <hatch> it's under Windows though
[19:50] <hatch> very odd haha
[19:51] <hatch> well I know what I'm going to be doing later
[20:04] <hatch> kadams54: ok updated
[20:07] <kadams54> +1'd
[20:07] <kadams54> hatch: ^
[20:07] <hatch> word
[20:07] <hatch> Linkin Park is coming to Stoon
[20:07] <hatch> w00t
[20:07] <hatch> too bad they likely won't be playing their first two albums wholesale :)
[20:11] <hatch> kadams54: looks like you can land #647
[20:12] <hatch> then hopefully rick_h_ can do a real deep qa on it all :)
[20:12] <kadams54> I've got this test suite half written, so I'll get that included, just to make you happy hatch :-)
[20:12] <hatch> lol
[20:13] <hatch> I think we have all the functionality hammered out now
[20:13] <hatch> I haven't noticed any bugs since these most recent branches
[20:17] <rick_h_> wheee
[20:27]  * rick_h_ crush qa boom
[20:37] <hatch> haha
[20:38] <hatch> rick_h_: it's going to be probably an hour before all the pending branches land then i'll be ready for qa
[20:38] <hatch> or you could merge them into your local branch if you feel like you want to do it now :)
[20:38] <rick_h_> hatch: all good, I've got broken kid at home so won't be able to go through it well until after he goes to bed
[20:38] <hatch> hah ok np
[20:39] <kadams54> Heading out to grab an early dinner with the family. Will be back in about an hour to land #647.
[20:39] <hatch> coolio
[20:50] <hatch> hmm for some reason the container tokens have a hidden class applid
[20:50] <hatch> applied even
[20:55] <hatch> crap I found another bug
[21:18] <hatch> ok - container bug fixed and pushed to PR
[21:18] <hatch> and new bug created
[21:18] <hatch> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1390228
[21:18] <mup> Bug #1390228: Hiding services should update container column machine <juju-gui:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1390228>
[21:58] <huwshimi> Morning
[22:26] <rick_h_> hatch: we're going to skip the AU call tonight if that's cool
[22:45] <hatch> yeah np
[22:45] <hatch> sorry i missed the ding
[22:47] <huwshimi> hatch: You didn't miss it, we just started very early :)
[22:56] <rick_h_> go luca go
[22:57] <huwshimi> :)


[02:36] <zhxk> stuff, help: someone as a manager to #ubuntu-cn baned my ip just because of a little angry freedom speech
[02:37] <bazhang> zhxk, /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-cn list   and /msg their ops
[02:37] <bazhang> zhxk, freenode staff wont get involved in this
[02:38] <zhxk> its the ops there that baned my ip
[02:38] <bazhang> zhxk, so /msg them
[02:39] <zhxk> *ban
[02:39] <bazhang> zhxk, well you need to /msg them to get unbanned
[02:41] <zhxk> they thought that i criticized the politics that will led their benifit from the gov in china
[02:42] <zhxk> they thought that i criticized the politics that will led hurt their benifit from the gov in china
[02:42] <bazhang> zhxk, well you need to discuss this with them
[02:42] <zhxk> they know all, they just feared
[02:43] <bazhang> zhxk, its an ubuntu support channel
[02:43] <zhxk> they scared to let  different politics come
[02:44] <bazhang> zhxk, ##politics for political chat
[02:44] <rww> Your political opinions are offtopic for Ubuntu support channels, regardless of whether the operators agree with them.
[02:44] <zhxk> they also talk about other things like sex
[02:44] <bazhang> never seen that in -cn tbh
[02:44] <rww> two wrongs don't make a right
[02:44] <rww> bazhang: if Google Translate is right, I saw it in there the other day :\
[02:45] <zhxk> whats tbh?
[02:45] <bazhang> rww, well none of the channels are 100% pure in that respect
[02:45] <bazhang> to be honest
[02:46] <bazhang> certainly nothing rampant as in the former -ru
[02:46] <zhxk> they address me bot tbh
[02:47] <rww> Anyways, this is all moot, because you still need to go PM the #ubuntu-cn ops instead of complaining here..
[02:47] <bazhang> zhxk, you pasted that all over freenode not just -cn
[02:47] <zhxk> no
[02:47] <zhxk> just few channels that i familiar
[02:47] <bazhang> it was some weird non utf-8 format
[02:48] <zhxk> its webchat format
[02:48] <bazhang> right.
[02:48] <bazhang> zhxk, /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-cn list  and /msg the ops there
[02:49] <zhxk> i suggest one of you have a talk to their ops, tell them its not polite to ban others ip
[02:49] <rww> zhxk: I suggest we stop going in circles and you follow the procedure we've repeatedly outlined.
[02:50] <m4v> that's not how things work.
[02:51] <zhxk> i suspect the result of /msgs
[02:56] <zhxk> btw, there is no #policts
[02:56] <bazhang> ##politics
[03:17] <zhxk> bazhang, they are talking fast, i feel flooded
[03:18] <bazhang> zhxk, who is
[03:18] <zhxk> ##politics
[03:18] <bazhang> zhxk, okay?
[03:21] <danu> Hello , Can anyone tell me how to install voice on IRC ?
[03:21] <bazhang> danu, no such device
[03:22] <danu> i didnt get u baz
[03:22] <danu> when i goto some rooms i get this message
[03:22] <rww> danu: which room?
[03:22] <bazhang> danu, which channel
[03:23] <danu> can't remember
[03:23] <danu> it asked me to install voice
[03:24] <danu> is this something connected to nick registration ?
[03:24] <danu> how do i register a nick ?
[03:24] <rww> probably, some channels stop people who aren't registered from talking
[03:24] <rww> !register
[03:41] <zhxk> whats the meaning *** ^k^ sets mode: +q alvin_rxg!*@*
[03:41] <rww> !freenode
[03:41] <bazhang> zhxk, a quiet
[03:41] <rww> hrm
[03:42] <rww> oh
[03:42] <rww> !modes
[03:43] <zhxk> bazhang, thanks, luncheon time
[03:43] <bazhang> np
[03:43] <zhxk> rww, thanks too
[04:40] <danu> Hello  i get this message "You need voice (+v)"  how do i resolve this ?
[04:40] <rww> danu: Which channel?
[04:41] <danu> not in freenode
[04:41] <rww> danu: ask the help channel for the network you're on, then.
[04:42] <danu> thanks rww
[05:58] <Ormie> hello are you all operators?
[05:58] <bazhang> Ormie, pretty much yes
[06:00] <Ormie> i am not an operator but some one told me to be in here to ask informations about being an operator and so that soon i might want to be an operator, So am i in the wrong channel or  correct channel
[06:01] <bazhang> the !canibeanop factoid?
[06:02] <Ormie> bazhang: Am i in the correct channel?
[06:02] <bazhang> Ormie, yep
[06:03] <Ormie> Ok i sign up for launchpad and what do i do next?
[06:05] <bazhang> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/OperatorRequirements
[06:05] <Ormie> bazhang: Ok i sign up for launchpad and what do i do next?
[06:06] <Ormie> bazhang: I have tried that link but i don't understand what they are saying
[06:07] <bazhang> Ormie, what's your native language then
[06:09] <Ormie> bazhang: Thai but i am good at english but not that good yet.
[06:12] <bazhang> Ormie, perhaps run some of it through http://translate.google.com/#en|th|
[06:14] <Ormie> bazhang: Actually i understand it but it does not say click what link on what page
[06:14] <Ormie> Is the How to step 2
[06:14] <bazhang> Ormie, not following you
[06:15] <Ormie> bazhang:  Actually i understand it but it does not say click what link on what page and this is at step 2 so could you help me?
[06:16] <bazhang> Operator application process Ormie read whats there
[06:18] <Ormie> bazhang: It says "You should add a section to your wiki page explaining why you wish to be an Ubuntu IRC operator for the channel(s) you applied to. Be sure to also explain how you are qualified to be an operator for the channel(s) in question. It is also recommended that you collect testimonials from other people who have worked closely with you in the past.
[06:18] <bazhang> Ormie, yes?
[06:20] <Ormie> bazhang: It says to do something with the wiki page but i don't know how to link to that page.
[06:20] <Ormie> bazhang:There are links there
[06:21] <Ormie> I mean there are no links there
[06:21] <bazhang> Ormie, you have a wiki page and a launchpad account and page?
[06:23] <Ormie> bazhang:There are no links to link to the wiki page and some page that the how to step means but i have a launchpad account.
[06:39] <Ormie> bazhang:There are no links to link to the wiki page and some page that the how to step means but i have a launchpad account.
[07:10] <chbk> i would like to see the channel log of  #ubuntu-cn
[07:10] <chbk> bazhang, hello?
[07:15] <tm> zhxk: check here, please: http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/
[07:16] <zhxk> ok,bookmarked
[09:17] <Ormie> IdleOne: Where are you?
[09:18] <bazhang> Ormie, not active apparently at the moment, what's up
[09:19] <Ormie> DuDe Have you answer my question about being an operator?
[09:19] <bazhang> ?
[13:47] <Karp5> Hello
[13:47] <Karp5> I have one question 'bout libboost library (1.40)
[13:48] <Karp5> On other OS like gentoo everything was OK, but on Ubuntu I got this error: undefined reference to `boost::system::get_posix_category()'
[14:18] <pumba_> hello,
[14:18] <pumba_> is any expert available?
[14:18] <pumba_> to help me a second step by step
[14:18] <pumba_> in doing a thing?
[14:19] <erUSUL> support channel is #ubuntu
[14:20] <pumba_> there are too many people :(
[14:20] <pumba_> they dont even notice me
[14:21] <erUSUL> you have to be patient; ask every 10-15 minutes. ask in a single line with all the details you can provide
[14:21] <erUSUL> !ask
[14:21] <erUSUL> !patience
[14:23] <serfus> pumba_, you can look for support in #ubuntu-beginners as well, it is less crowded
[14:25] <pumba_> i will try..
[14:35] <topyli> local channels are a good option too, if a lively local one exists
[14:48] <pumba_> the problem seem complicate :(
[14:48] <pumba_> one that offered to help..
[14:48] <pumba_> cannot go further
[22:51] <Yaron-Heb> Hey guys! I can't determine why my ubuntu.com mail address isn't working
[22:52] <Yaron-Heb> My LP username is: sh-yaron so I tried<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and it doesn't work
[22:52] <Pici> Yaron-Heb: It would be better to ask in #canonical-sysadmin than here, we don't have any control over the email addresses, just IRC cloaks.
[22:52] <Yaron-Heb> thanks Pici!


[00:18] <ScottL> ailo_,  unless we have a -lowlatency kernel that we can put into a PPA for natty then i don't think we can implement it for natty
[00:18] <ScottL> unless you see another option
[00:19] <ailo_> ScottL: I'm not even sure about the PPA at this point. I don't know what the plan is, really.
[00:19] <ScottL> but keep in mind that our firewire users would like an -rt kernel as well, which would have to be kept in a PPA
[00:20] <ailo_> If we add the -lowlatency through PPA, no problem to implement that. If and when we have an -rt kernel there as well, easy to put that in too.
[00:20] <ScottL> ailo_, let's say then that unless paultag has other ideas that given the late date in this cycle and that it's not in the repos we skip the -lowlatency kernel for natty
[00:21] <ScottL> getting the other stuff done will be a huge improvement :)
[00:21] <ScottL> hell, it will be functional again
[03:25] <ScottL> TheMuso, persia: can i get your opinion on several older bugs?
[03:26] <ScottL> there are several older bugs, some even dating back to 7.04, that i seriously doubt we will fix, would it be improper to simply mark them as "won't fix"?
[06:02] <TheMuso> ScottL: If they are from 7.04, just mark them won't fix, tell the reporters that feisty/gutsy are EOL, adn to test with the latest release, maverick.
[09:35] <mondi> anyone can help me
[09:36] <mondi> i have a problem opening computer or any disks
[13:33] <paultag> scott-work: dude, we can get it in
[13:33] <paultag> scott-work: it's bugfix only
[13:34] <paultag> scott-work: it's early in the FF, and it's not a new package
[13:34] <paultag> scott-work: it's ripe for a FFe :)
[13:34] <paultag> we need to just crank it out and get it sponsored
[13:37] <scott-work> paultag:  do you have an idea when it might be ready?  I'll fill out the FFe then
[13:37] <paultag> scott-work: I have no idea, ailo has been rocking it, so I've stayed back
[13:38] <paultag> scott-work: he's less then 2 hours away from finishing it, I think (from what I've seen)
[13:38] <paultag> scott-work: if he can kill that off, then I can whip the package into shape and give it an upload to REVU
[13:41] <scott-work> i thought REVU was for new packages?
[13:41] <paultag> oh shucks
[13:41] <paultag> I think you might be right scott-work
[13:42] <paultag> god, that's stupid
[13:42] <paultag> mentors.debian.net is awesome
[13:42] <paultag> then debdiff it is
[13:43] <scott-work> paultag: wow!  http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMentorsFaq           http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/welcome  both look awesome
[13:44] <scott-work> i will have to look into them more
[13:45] <paultag> scott-work: whenever you do anything (new package / updated package) you dput to mentors.debian.net, then send out an email to the list :)
[13:45] <paultag> unless you have a mentor
[13:45] <paultag> then just do whatever, I guess :)
[13:52] <scott-work> but in this case, we are updating a package that is _only_ in ubuntu, will the debian mentors help with this?
[14:14] <paultag> scott-work: nah, d-m is of no use here :)
[14:19] <paultag> BBL, school
[14:39] <ailo_> scott-work: It'll be more than 2 hours og work for me, but yes. It's not far from being finished. I still haven't found out how to work out problems with packaging, which is something I have almost as little experience with as python coding, so it's hard to say when.
[14:41] <ailo_> The package won't build, probably because there are some settings that need to be straightened out. I've done my best to see what I need to edit (using the original ubuntustudio-controls package as base), but I'm clearly missing something.
[14:43] <ailo_> scott-work: paultag: I would prefer the new -controls to use python only, but to have things wrapped up fast, I will need to use zenity to complement the shell commands I'm using, cause the shell is freezing up the app when executing the commands. A zenity prograss dialog will at leas show the user something is happening.
[14:44] <ailo_> scott-work: paultag: So, if someone can help me with packaging, and I add the zenity thing, I'd say we can be ready within a day even.
[14:45] <paultag> ailo_: I'm good to package at the drop of a hat. If it's 90% there ( no install scripts or anything ) I can kill it off
[14:45] <paultag> zenity is not the worst case
[14:54] <ailo_> paultag: It's all there in the git repo.  The old package and the source to my stuff. There are more stuff that should end up in /usr/share/ubuntustudio-controls than in the original, otherwise it's the same deal.
[14:55] <ailo_> paultag: Just changing the changelog now
[15:01] <ailo_> paultag: How do I set my details, so they end up in the changelog?
[15:02] <paultag> ailo_: set DEBFULLNAME / DEBEMAIL ?
[15:02] <paultag> ailo_: and you should use dch :)
[15:11] <ailo_> paultag: Ok, so the changelog is ok I hope. I'll finish the program within 24 hours. Will you need Natty in order to build the package?
[15:13] <ailo_> paultag: I really don't know what things need to be edited in the package if we are to use the one that is already laid out. You can make your own from scratch, if you want to of course.
[15:13] <paultag> ailo_: I have a pbuilder
[15:13] <paultag> ailo_: it's OK. Paste the changelog, I'll take a look
[15:14] <ailo_> paultag: http://paste.ubuntu.com/573488/
[15:15] <paultag> ailo_: it looks OK so far. The close syntax also looks off. It should be: New release has a more robust interface, and small updates (LP: #nnnnn).
[15:16] <ailo_> paultag: The urgency could be changed? And maybe add that we have changed the program a bit.
[15:16] <paultag> ailo_: you should always describe what you're closing and why
[15:16] <paultag> ailo_: no, low is good
[15:16] <paultag> ailo_: naw, debian/changelog is for debian stuff, nto the project as a whole
[15:16] <paultag> ailo_: you're also the only commiter, so you can remove your name in []
[15:16] <paultag> see crimsun's commit
[15:16] <ailo_> Ok
[15:18] <ailo_> paultag: So, you never worked with Egg?
[15:19] <ailo_> I think this is Egg/debian packaging
[15:19] <ailo_> The original, that is
[15:20] <paultag> ailo_: aye
[15:20] <paultag> ailo_: for lintco, never anything serious
[15:27] <ailo_> paultag: http://paste.ubuntu.com/573492/ It's in the repo now.
[15:28] <paultag> ailo_: killer
[15:29] <paultag> ailo_: whoh, interesting way of storing stuff in the git branch
[15:29] <paultag> ailo_: have you looked into git-buildpackage and pristine-tar ?
[15:30] <paultag> ailo_: you also have issues -- http://pastebin.com/CGb5uGCa
[15:30] <paultag> I'll try a build
[15:31] <ailo_> paultag, If you try a build, at least you get a new tar I guess, which you can move somewhere else and start over.
[15:31] <paultag> ailo_: no no
[15:31] <paultag> ailo_: it's OK -- just use pritine-tar to stash it in it's own branch
[15:31] <paultag> ailo_: and you don't need to track the dsc
[15:32] <paultag> (and you have some policy issues)
[15:32] <ailo_> paultag: That's the kind of stuff I know nothing about :)
[15:32] <paultag> ailo_: i can spend some time after I get back from the Gym patching this, if you want
[15:33] <ailo_> paultag: Just building it gave me an error, where the python files would end up in folder for 2.7, but the package builder were looking for them in 2.6
[15:33] <ailo_> paultag: It would be great if you straightened the packaging out. Then we can finish this pretty quickly I hope
[15:34] <paultag> ailo_: awesome. Rock on. I'll send you a git-format-patch by tonight
[15:35] <ailo_> paultag: Going jogging myself. Catch you later.
[15:35] <paultag> ailo_: cheers!
[17:06] <scott-work> ailo_, paultag: both you guys rock! \m/
[17:09] <paultag> scott-work: <3
[17:09] <paultag> We've got you covered, dude
[17:37] <paultag> ailo_: I almost have it in shampe
[17:37] <paultag> shape *
[17:38] <paultag> running some tests / reviews
[17:40] <paultag> whoh, found some issues :)
[17:53] <paultag> ailo_: http://git.pault.ag/?a=summary&p=ubuntustudio-controls <-- I've cleaned most of the lintian issues out. It's in decent form with a prist-tar branch
[17:54] <paultag> ailo_: git clone git://pault.ag/paultag/ubuntustudio-controls.git  <-- so you can take a look before you merge
[18:14] <scott-work> paultag: will we be able to provide a debdiff for this once it's all done?
[18:14] <paultag> scott-work: I can do that now, but there's one outstanding issue on the deb that I'm not happy with. Just having ailo_ check out changes
[18:14] <paultag> scott-work: but yes, 100%
[18:15] <paultag> scott-work: it's in "OK" shape right now, one hell of a lot better then when we started. Not perfect yet, but OK.
[18:15] <scott-work> paultag: sweet, don't need it immediately though
[18:15] <paultag> scott-work: understood :)
[19:32] <ailo_> paultag: So it's ready to be built now?
[19:33] <paultag> ailo_: it can be built, and it's clean ( save the gksudo call in the .desktop )
[19:33] <paultag> that throws an error, but I added a dep on gksu, so it's "safe"
[19:34] <ailo_> paultag, right. Can we remove that? We should not run the app as sudo.
[19:34] <paultag> ailo_: Oh! Yes! Please!
[19:34] <paultag> Let me do that ;)
[19:35] <ailo_> paultag: Ok. Just came back from a second lap. I'll finish the zenity bit. I'll still need someone to review/test the app before we can assume it's fine to be released.
[19:36] <paultag> ailo_: Oh OK. Well, if you want to change it, that's fine :)
[19:36] <paultag> ailo_: I also pushed the tarball into prist-tar
[19:36] <paultag> ailo_: so beware of that :)
[19:38] <ailo_> paultag: I will only be changing the glade file and the main source file hopefully. Removing the -lowlatency option and adding a zenity progress bar. How about dependencies? How does that work?
[19:38] <paultag> ailo_: pull my branch
[19:39] <paultag> ailo_: it will be in good shape :)
[19:40] <ailo_> paultag: Did you change the .desktop yet? I did "git pull", but it says, already up to date.
[19:41] <paultag> ailo_: no, because you have to kill the tag (or bump the major number) repack and fix :)
[19:41] <paultag> ailo_: and I'm super busy right now, getting ready for klass
[19:42] <ailo_> paultag: Alright. I expect this will take a few hours for me to complete, so I'll ping you when you can pull the one base on your package.
[19:42] <ailo_> based*
[19:42] <paultag> ailo_: rock on, dude!
[19:42] <paultag> ailo_: remember to use: `lintian -iIE --pedantic' to test your deb and dsc :)
[19:44] <ailo_> paultag: Hmm, let's see if it helps me. I expect you won't have too much difficulty fixing it once it's done. What's the build command for building the package btw?
[19:45] <paultag> ailo_: my workflow is as follows (might be a bit backwards) -- dpkg-buildpackage -S, pbuilder-dist <dist> *.dsc, git-buildpackage --git-tag, pristine-tar commit ../<package orig tarball> <release id>
[19:45] <paultag> ailo_: I also do a review on most of that as I go, check for unneeded stuff, warnings, errors, info tags, all that
[19:46] <ailo_> paultag: Thanks. I'll try that.
[19:46] <paultag> ailo_: rock on
[20:13] <scott-work> paultag and ailo_ :  i'll be happy to test it when it's ready, i've got an updated natty install waiting
[22:53] <ailo_> bash scripting is not all that straight forward sometimes :/
[23:44] <ailo_> paultag: I think I need to add two small bash scripts to be able to do what I want. What's the policy about scripts? Where can they be kept, if they are a part of the program, but not meant to be executed by anything else?