[12:00] <mdz> LoneTech: ah, gotcha
[12:00] <mdz> LoneTech: you're looking for the udebs, then
[12:00] <mdz> LoneTech: /ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-kernel-di-i386-2.6
[12:01] <mdz> in the archive
[12:01] <mdz> they may not be on the CD in udeb form
[12:01] <LoneTech> yes, it's in the archive. got past it now. please include them next CD!
[12:01] <JStrike> thom : Windhoek is always good too. Castle is goes down better in large quantities though
[12:02] <mdz> LoneTech: what sort of install are you doing where you need the udebs on the CD?
[12:03] <JStrike> thom : You have memories?
[12:04] <thom> well, all right. blank spots where memories should be, and a non-functioning liver ;P
[12:04] <seb128> mdz: I've just checked with Lo-lan-2, according to him the package is in a good state and works pretty fine
[12:04] <LoneTech> mdz: tried to install off a loopmounted ISO on another machine.
[12:04] <LoneTech> the target machine has no CD drive, so netboot image seemed the natural choice. turns out that netboot couldn't see IDE due to the missing udebs.
[12:04] <sladen> LoneTech: did you have any success?
[12:05] <mdz> LoneTech: ok, please file a bug, Component: debian-cd, Severity: enhancement, and we'll see what we can do
[12:05] <LoneTech> repeating mirror selection, udeb installation and hardware probing, this time using the online archive rather than my local ISO mount, yes.
[12:05] <thom> hrm, unpacking the netboot.tar.gz into the tftp root directory and using that worked fine here (on an ide machine)
[12:05] <mxpxpod> how do I make a ubuntu kernel package?
[12:05] <LoneTech> bug 1300 on debian-installer is about this. should it be reassigned?
[12:05] <mdz> thom: he's using the CD as a mirror for the netboot
[12:06] <mdz> thom: but the CD doesn't have all of the udebs
[12:06] <thom> ah
[12:06] <thom> my bad
[12:06] <mdz> LoneTech: no, in that case, it's already reached the correct person
[12:06] <mdz> LoneTech: it should be retitled, though
[12:07] <mxpxpod> mdz: do you know how to make a ubuntu kernel image?
[12:07] <mdz> mxpxpod: yes
[12:07] <mxpxpod> mdz: do you just use make-kpkg?
[12:07] <seb128> 'night thom
[12:07] <mdz> mxpxpod: yes, you can do it that way
[12:07] <mxpxpod> mdz: how else can you do it?
[12:07] <mdz> mxpxpod: may I ask why you need to build a custom kernel?  we like to avoid that for you :-)
[12:07] <keifer> any one here on ppc? I can't seem to burn the .iso image. I keeps kiling disk utility. (I'm trying to use a cd rw)
[12:08] <mdz> mxpxpod: you can also build the linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS> source package
[12:08] <mdz> keifer: it's a bug in disk utility :-/
[12:08] <seb128> mdz: ok, so, should I mail you+jdub about eagle-adsl ?
[12:08] <mxpxpod> mdz: I like custom kernels... I don't need a bunch of useless modules loading
[12:08] <mdz> seb128: mail ubuntu-devel, I'd say
[12:08] <sladen> keifer: known bug with the Mac OS X burner program
[12:08] <seb128> mdz: ok, thanks
[12:08] <keifer> mdz: is there an alternative CLI proggy?
[12:08] <mxpxpod> mdz: like, it's loading ehci_hcd and ohci_hcd
[12:08] <sladen> keifer: cdrecord from fink
[12:09] <keifer> cok
[12:09] <keifer> *ok
[12:09] <mdz> mxpxpod: and you don't have USB?
[12:09] <mxpxpod> mdz: I have usb, but I don't need both ehci and ohci loaded
[12:09] <sabdfl> hmm... dhould be able to blacklist one
[12:09] <mdz> mxpxpod: are you sure?
[12:09] <mxpxpod> mdz: why would I?
[12:09] <mdz> mxpxpod: I need both ehci_hcd and uhci_hcd loaded in order to support usb 1.1 and 2.0
[12:10] <mdz> they are two separate devices on the PCI bus
[12:10] <mxpxpod> ahhh
[12:10] <mxpxpod> oh, and I don't need ext3 loaded either
[12:10] <mxpxpod> or reiserfs or jfs or hfs...
[12:11] <sivang> mdz : ubuntu-devel=sounder ?
[12:13] <LoneTech> Small wishlist item: it would be nice if the partitioning tool showed partition types. And always kept the relevant partition name on-screen (it didn't when asking me how to use the selected partition).
[12:14] <mdz> sivang: sounder=ubuntu-users
[12:14] <mxpxpod> mdz: also, for some reason I can't get the eject key to work... if I hit fn+eject, I get F12, which is correct... but hitting eject gets nothing
[12:15] <mdz> mxpxpod: it shouldn't need to load those modules, but it happens here as well.  seems like a bug
[12:15] <mdz> mxpxpod: hmm, I don't have an eject key here, but I think pbbuttonsd is supposed to handle that
[12:16] <mxpxpod> mdz: hmm... it's mapping eject to meta_r
[12:16] <mxpxpod> keycode 116
[12:17] <mxpxpod> and my power button is keycode 222
[12:18] <mxpxpod> mdz: what does your /etc/sysctl.conf say?
[12:19] <mdz> mxpxpod: I'll tell you in a moment; need to power on that machine
[12:21] <mxpxpod> I think the keymaps are all screwed up
[12:21] <mdz> dev/mac_hid/mouse_button_emulation = 1
[12:21] <mdz> dev/mac_hid/mouse_button2_keycode = 87
[12:21] <mdz> dev/mac_hid/mouse_button3_keycode = 88
[12:22] <mxpxpod> mdz: hrmm... I wonder what keymap you use...
[12:23] <mxpxpod> what's your XF86Config-4 say?
[12:23] <mdz>         Option          "XkbRules"      "xfree86"
[12:23] <mdz>         Option          "XkbModel"      "macintosh"
[12:23] <mdz>         Option          "XkbLayout"     "us"
[12:24] <mxpxpod> grrr...
[12:24] <mxpxpod> what machine do you have?
[12:25] <keifer> not to be difficult, but is there a different alternative to cdrecord? It involved installing gcc, and I don't have the space do grab the devel tools from apples site. :\
[12:26] <tory> does anybody know how to get gtk2-emacs in ubuntu?
[12:27] <carlos> mxpxpod: which one do you have?
[12:27] <mxpxpod> carlos: ibook g4
[12:27] <carlos> I have the same problem with my powerbook
[12:27] <carlos> switch to a text terminal (outside X)
[12:28] <carlos> and execute: showkey (it exits after 10 seconds without pressing any key)
[12:28] <mxpxpod> carlos: ok
[12:28] <carlos> and press the eject key
[12:28] <carlos> hmmm
[12:29] <mxpxpod> carlos: I get 0x80 0x81 0xa1 0x80 0x81 0xa1
[12:29] <carlos> mxpxpod: like I
[12:29] <mxpxpod> that sucks
[12:29] <carlos> I didn't found any fix for it, sorry
[12:30] <mxpxpod> I gotta get home to my wife
[12:30] <mxpxpod> I'll talk to you guys tomorrow
[12:30] <mxpxpod> other than a few quirks, ubuntu rawks
[12:30] <carlos> xev sees it as Super_R key
[12:30] <pantz_> hey people - i am having a problem trying to get the glider theme looking good
[12:30] <carlos> mxpxpod: later
[12:30] <pantz_> anyone got the same problem?
[12:31] <pantz_> the buttons look majorly square and boring
[12:31] <phlaegel> pantz_: you need to install the smooth engine
[12:32] <pantz_> how do i install that?
[12:32] <tory> pantz_: why don't you take a screenshot for us
[12:32] <tory> it should've installed the smooth engine already
[12:32] <pantz_> mmm good idea
[12:32] <phlaegel> tory: it doesn't, it's a bug
[12:32] <pantz_> hang on
[12:32] <tory> phlaegel: oh
[12:33] <tory> you can install the smooth engine by typing "sudo apt-get install gtk2-engines-smooth"
[12:34] <mxpxpod> later guys
[12:36] <mdz> carlos: please file a bug about the eject issue if there is not already one in bugzilla
[12:37] <carlos> mdz: I have a bug about other problems with apple keys at debian's bts
[12:37] <pantz_> Package gtk2-engines-smooth is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[12:37] <pantz_> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[12:37] <pantz_> is only available from another source
[12:37] <pantz_> E: Package gtk2-engines-smooth has no installation candidate
[12:37] <carlos> should I file a bug linking to the debian's bts?
[12:37] <pantz_> tory, thats what i got - still working on the screenshot
[12:37] <carlos> (another bug)
[12:39] <tory> pantz_: you could try downloading the deb from here http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/gtk2-engines-smooth
[12:39] <tory> scroll down, click the "i386" button, then type "sudo dpkg -i gtk2-smooth-engines-blahblah.deb"
[12:39] <tory> that might work. I'm kinda new to debian
[12:40] <phlaegel> I wouldn't do that...
[12:40] <phlaegel> it's not necessary
[12:40] <tory> how can he get it installed
[12:40] <phlaegel> pantz_: have you modified your /etc/apt/sources.list at all?
[12:41] <pantz_> phlaegel, nope
[12:41] <pantz_> should i?
[12:42] <pantz_> i am a fresh-outta-the-box debian newbie
[12:42] <phlaegel> depends... check it and see what lines are uncommented in it.
[12:42] <sabdfl> pantz_: try apt-get update
[12:42] <sabdfl> pantz_: then apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:43] <xxorrorxx> can you load your install of ubuntu from the install cd ?
[12:43] <xxorrorxx> if the bootloader gets nuked
[12:44] <xxorrorxx> vmlinuz boot=/"root" kinda deal
[12:44] <pantz_> hey hey you guys rock - i did the dpkg -i and installed it - now things are looking good
[12:44] <tory> cool
[12:44] <pantz_> should i report the lack of the gtk-engine-smooth package as a bug?
[12:44] <xxorrorxx> heh no
[12:44] <phlaegel> pantz_: it's been done already, iirc
[12:45] <pantz_> cool
[12:45] <tory> do what sabdfl suggested. run "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[12:45] <pantz_> yeah its running at the mo
[12:45] <pantz_> i did the dpkg -i first
[12:45] <phlaegel> btw, installing packages from debian like that is not recommended... you should install packages from the ubuntu sources only or things *might* break
[12:45] <sabdfl> pantz_: those comands bring your system completely up to date
[12:45] <xxorrorxx> sabdfl: is that a good idea if you're using universe ?
[12:46] <sabdfl> xxorrorxx: it won't actually install new software, just update the software that's on your machine
[12:46] <xxorrorxx> sabdfl: oh
[12:46] <pantz_> oh yeah - is ee the dist-upgrade option had the package in it
[12:46] <sabdfl> if a package gets a new dependency, that will be brought in
[12:46] <sabdfl> but a package in main cannot depend on a package in universe
[12:46] <pantz_> well thanks heaps for your help anyway guys
[12:46] <sabdfl> (or it could, we just don't allow that)
[12:47] <xxorrorxx> I did that ,it installed smooth , but I dont see it as an option
[12:47] <xxorrorxx> in 'themes'
[12:47] <phlaegel> you won't
[12:47] <phlaegel> it just works on themes that use it
[12:47] <xxorrorxx> oh
[12:47] <xxorrorxx> what themes use it
[12:47] <tvon> the smooth package is just the engine
[12:47] <phlaegel> glider is one
[12:47] <tory> smoothgnome is another
[12:47] <xxorrorxx> what does it do exactly
[12:47] <phlaegel> glider == smoothgnome
[12:47] <tory> oh
[12:47] <pantz_> so being the debian newbie that i am - if i run apt-get dist-upgrade everyday for the rest of my life - i will always have the most current version of ubuntumumutumu?
[12:48] <lamont__> pantz_: You'll have the latest version of warty, until you change sources.list...
[12:48] <pantz_> xxorrorxx, it makes themes look cool
[12:48] <phlaegel> xxorrorxx: a theme engine just provides functionality for a theme, different ways to draw buttons, gradients, etc.
[12:48] <lamont__> but warty will all but stop changing (other than security issues) in about a month.
[12:48] <lamont__> ...
[12:48] <xxorrorxx> phlaegel: whats the best place to find new themes/engines art.gnome.org ?
[12:49] <phlaegel> sure, or gnome-look.org
[12:49] <sivang> xxorrorxx : you can install all sid's available gtk-engines
[12:49] <pantz_> oh ok
[12:49] <sivang> xxorrorxx : which add quite a nice look and feel, plus extra thems also from sid's repository
[12:50] <pantz_> lamont__ so when warty is done - i change my sources.list - which i then set to the next version and  away it goes?
[12:50] <sabdfl> pantz_: yes
[12:50] <pantz_> yay!!!!
[12:51] <sivang> xxorrorxx : just add the "universe" keyword to the apt sources list,
[12:51] <tritium> jdub, are you also the maintainer for evo-exchange 2.0 for plain ol' debian?
[12:51] <xxorrorxx> sivang: already did
[12:51] <sabdfl> pantz_: we hope to make that even easier... when a new release comes out, upgrading warty will ask you if you want to move to the newer release
[12:51] <sivang> xxorrorxx : and apt-get install <whatever>
[12:51] <xxorrorxx> sivang: what are the package prefixes so I can just use a wildcard ,Besides gtk-engines , which I already did
[12:51] <pantz_> sabdfl, niiiiiice
[12:52] <sivang> mdz : this channel is also for development discussions, or there will be a special channel for this?
[12:52] <mdz> sivang: currently yes, but we will probably split out into a separate channel sometime soon
[12:52] <mdz> sivang: considering that the population here has exploded :-)
[12:53] <tory> spell checking doesn't seem to work in OO.org
[12:53] <tvon> missing aspell and a dictionary, perhaps?
[12:53] <m_tthew> tvon: I think there is a bug filed already, maybe fixed already
[12:53] <mdz> tory: the dictionaries are missing, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1257
[12:54] <tory> mdz: thank you
[12:54] <sivang> mdz : ahh, that's mighty good! as more users we have, the better we get!
[12:54] <lamont__> mdz: and I think it's just a matter of sync'ing the package
[12:54] <sivang> xxorrorxx : sec
[12:55] <lamont__> mdz: the other question is whether or not OO.o should depend on the spell package, rather than suggest...
[12:55] <lamont__> ??
[12:55] <xxorrorxx> sivang: gtk2* is one , gtk-engines is one too
[12:55] <sivang> xxorrorxx : gnome-themes, gnome-themes-extras
[12:56] <xxorrorxx> sivang: apt-get install gtk2* , apt-get install gtk-engines* installs a TON of 1.x 2.x themes
[12:56] <sivang> xxorrorxx : i happen to like them very much, i usually switch them alot
[12:56] <xxorrorxx> but a bunch of random stuff too
[12:56] <xxorrorxx> heh
[12:56] <tory> mdz: any idea what I need to download
[12:56] <tory> the bug report just says that stuff is missing
[12:57] <sivang> xxorrorxx : plus because theme installation in gnome is no easy, you can do it "manually" from the gnome looks website
[12:57] <xxorrorxx> is there a good tutorial on developing gtk2/gtk/metacity/icon (theme/GUI) related stuff ?
[12:57] <sivang> mdz : is there a sounder cd anymore?
[12:57] <kl_> xxorrorxx, http://ajgenius.us/
[12:58] <sivang> mdz : ahh, that'd be put better that way: Where is the the spec for the new cdimage structure? :)
[12:59] <xxorrorxx> kl_: your site ?
[01:00] <kl_> xxorrorxx, nope
[01:00] <kl_> there's a hidden wiki btw. http://www.ajgenius.us/gnome/Themes/Tutorials/ this one should have more info
[01:02] <xxorrorxx> kl_: what about gnome coding in general , and user interface design
[01:02] <WebWiz> oi everybody
[01:02] <kl_> xxorrorxx, developer.gnome.org then :)
[01:02] <WebWiz> kudos to ubuntu linux, looks great
[01:02] <WebWiz> just wish my sound worked! :)
[01:03] <keifer> I always wish that. i'ts hard to get support for soundsticks. :P
[01:03] <keifer> I always wish that. i'ts hard to get support for soundsticks. :P
[01:03] <keifer> dho, lag, sorry. :\
[01:03] <WebWiz> oi thecombatwombat ;)
[01:03] <WebWiz> Yeah, i have 810 comptabale sound, and its not workin!
[01:03] <thecombatwombat> hey WebWiz
[01:04] <xxorrorxx> yeah Im loving ubuntu, works out of the box for the most part
[01:04] <xxorrorxx> and the problems have been pretty minor
[01:04] <WebWiz> only things i don't have are sound and wifi
[01:05] <keifer> it osunds good, and will proably be easyer to install then fedora-ppc. :)
[01:05] <sivang> WebWiz : what version did you use to isntall? (the sound problem got fixed)
[01:05] <WebWiz> umm
[01:05] <LoneTech> looks like my sound driver is blacklisted as far as hotplug is concerned.
[01:05] <WebWiz> warly-i386.iso
[01:05] <xxorrorxx> webwiz: what soundcard , wifi card .. are the supported under a different dist of linux
[01:05] <sivang> WebWiz : what sound card do you have?
[01:06] <lamont__> mdz/jdub: I guess I should send email, but please bless #1314
[01:06] <WebWiz> my souncard usus the OSS i810 driver
[01:07] <xxorrorxx> lamont: thats such an easy fix
[01:07] <WebWiz> Wireless LAN card (Dell TrueMobileTM 1300 (802.11b/g) mini PCI)
[01:07] <lamont__> xxorrorxx: exactly.
[01:07] <WebWiz> Intel soundcard (ICH3/SigmaTel STAC 9750 AC97)
[01:07] <xxorrorxx> lamont: meaning do it yourself , its pretty minor compared to some of the other bugs
[01:08] <tritium> The gnome 2.8 release notes seem to imply that evolution 2.0 supports Exchange accounts (without a separate plugin).
[01:08] <WebWiz> xxorrorxx, yes they are supported under different linux*
[01:08] <WebWiz> http://people.web.psi.ch/windiks/latitude-d600/#audio
[01:08] <lamont__> xxorrorxx: I'm already hacking on xchat for another crit bug, and that was one we wanted to fix, too...
[01:08] <tritium> And it also mentions supporting Rendezvous without any reference to libhowl.
[01:08] <WebWiz> how do i know if the "sound bug" is fixed in my release?
[01:09] <phlaegel> tritium: it's a plugin. it was installed by default for me in ubuntu.
[01:09] <phlaegel> exchange support, that is
[01:09] <tritium> phlaegel, thanks
[01:10] <tritium> phlaegel, do you have libhowl0 installed?
[01:10] <crb> I found out why I didn't get any sound in Ubuntu.  The 'headphone' channel was muted.
[01:10] <crb> But I'm not using headphones!  Why isn't it called 'master' any more :)
[01:10] <phlaegel> and nautilus support dns-sd to discover things like file shares. doesn't seem to need libhowl to do it, either.
[01:10] <tritium> phlaegel, oh, excellent.  Thanks again.
[01:10] <lamont__> xxor_: it was a bug I discussed with mdz last night, and probably the reason I got the ISO8859vsUTF8 xchat bug today...
[01:11] <lamont__> but uploads require blessings these days, you see..
[01:12] <martinald> hello
[01:12] <martinald> got nearly everything working
[01:12] <martinald> apart from: back forward on my intellmouse explorer
[01:12] <WebWiz> must be nice
[01:12] <martinald> and mp3 playback
[01:13] <martinald> anyone know how to fix my mouse problem? aparently i need to use a utility called 'ilmouse' or similar but i can't find it
[01:13] <ReporterX> Hello all!
[01:13] <martinald> hi
[01:14] <spiv> lamont__: man latin1 ? :)
[01:14] <ReporterX> Anyone  knows if ubuntu supports network installation throught wireless usb device  (atmel chip) ?
[01:15] <spiv> lamont__: Or hit ctrl-k then e' in insert mode in vim...
[01:15] <lamont__> spiv: so single octet per character, using the msb to make it pritty
[01:15] <mdz> ReporterX: not quite
[01:15] <mdz> ReporterX: the firmware is not available in the installer
[01:15] <mdz> ReporterX: but after installation, it should work out of the box
[01:15] <ReporterX> :-(
[01:15] <spiv> lamont__: yeah, it's 8-bits per char.
[01:15] <martinald> reporterx: do you not have a cd burner?
[01:16] <spiv> lamont__: man latin1 :)
[01:16] <ReporterX> martinald: yes...
[01:16] <spiv> (or man iso_8859-1 if you prefer...)
[01:17] <lamont__> spiv: in insert mode, LANG=POSIX, c-k, e, " gives me a quote character...
[01:17] <lamont__> but ' works...
[01:17] <lamont__> damn fonts
[01:17] <spiv> lamont__: :)
[01:17] <ReporterX> where i can get .deb for atmel firmware ? I never worked with debian based distributions...
[01:18] <mdz> ReporterX: it's included in our standard kernel
[01:18] <lamont__>  xchat
[01:18] <lamont__> Segmentation fault
[01:18] <lamont__> kewl.
[01:19] <ReporterX> mdz: Thanks.... i'm going to download the ISO file.
[01:19] <lamont__> mdz: I think it'll be a 2-line patch: gotta disable autoconnecting to debian, and enable autoconnecting to ubuntu...
[01:19] <lamont__> :-)
[01:21] <martinald> why does ubuntu not ship IMwheel?
[01:21] <Hrdwr_BoB> because it's not needed?
[01:21] <koke> martinald: what's imwheel for??
[01:21] <kl_> autconnecting to ubuntu? does ubuntu have its own irc server?
[01:22] <martinald> to use mouse4 and mouse5 on my ms intellimouse as back/forward in web browsers
[01:22] <martinald> hrdwr: plese explain?
[01:22] <Hrdwr_BoB> martinald, you can change that in the browser settings
[01:22] <Hrdwr_BoB> you don't need an external program to do it
[01:22] <martinald> really?
[01:22] <martinald> do u have a guide?
[01:22] <Hrdwr_BoB> yes
[01:22] <Hrdwr_BoB> imwheel has been obsolete for a long time
[01:23] <khalek> imwheel is from like before x supportted scrollwheels
[01:23] <dieman> im so happy to leave work today
[01:23] <Hrdwr_BoB> I don't have a guide, but I can check it out here for you
[01:23] <toothpick> What is the default root password?
[01:23] <tseng> there is none
[01:23] <tseng> use sudo
[01:23] <Hrdwr_BoB> toothpick, there isn't, use 'sudo program'
[01:23] <Hrdwr_BoB> and put your password in
[01:23] <dieman> sudo su
[01:23] <dieman> for instance
[01:23] <martinald> BoB. thanks very much
[01:23] <tseng> sudo -s does that
[01:23] <martinald> i'm using FF 0.9
[01:23] <Hrdwr_BoB> eg: sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:23] <toothpick> from console logon I can do the same?
[01:23] <tseng> dont run sudo su
[01:23] <dieman> heh
[01:23] <dieman> tseng: habit
[01:24] <koke> lamont__: yep, just a 2-line patch :)
[01:24] <toothpick> So I can...from console type as a regular user sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and edit it?
[01:25] <tseng> yep
[01:25] <tseng> use your users password to authenticate
[01:25] <lamont__> the initial user is added to /etc/sudoers for you.
[01:26] <toothpick> tseng: ok thanks, cause I tried to install nvidia drivers and now x won't start so I want to at least go back to what I had prior to messing up x totally.
[01:26] <koke> http://sindominio.net/koke/patches/patch-xchat-ubuntu-channel.patch
[01:26] <martinald> bob: you still with me?
[01:26] <Hrdwr_BoB> yeah
[01:26] <Hrdwr_BoB> it appears you can't do that
[01:26] <dieman> lamont__: are there plans for adduser to add to groups/sudoers if you want?
[01:26] <Hrdwr_BoB> however
[01:27] <lamont__> dieman: file a wishlist bug
[01:27] <dieman> lamont__: ok
[01:27] <lamont__> but I don't think there are..
[01:27] <Hrdwr_BoB> alt+mousewheel might do it
[01:27] <lamont__> the expectation is that the first user is the admin, ergo...
[01:27] <dieman> lamont__: do any of the user management frontends do so?
[01:27] <koke> IMHO it should be better to work on gnome-system-tools
[01:27] <martinald> nope doesn't work
[01:27] <martinald> how is everyone else utilizing there back/forward mouse buttons?
[01:27] <crb> If I try and use nautilus to browse the Windows domain in Ubuntu, I get "The folder contents could not be displayed."  "Windows network:DOMAIN could not be found.  Perhaps it has recently been deleted."  The DC is a Windows 2003 machine; is this likely to be a Samba issue, or should I raise it with the ubuntu bugzilla?
[01:27] <martinald> or is no-one using a mouse with 5 buttons
[01:28] <Hrdwr_BoB> martinald, do you mean the extra buttons on the side of those ridululous MS mice
[01:28] <Hrdwr_BoB> that you always accidentally hit and go back
[01:28] <Hrdwr_BoB> and it screws yup your form
[01:28] <martinald> i love them
[01:28] <Hrdwr_BoB> *up
[01:28] <martinald> please don't bitch at me
[01:28] <Hrdwr_BoB> I despise them with a passion :)
[01:28] <martinald> well thats just great
[01:28] <Hrdwr_BoB> caused me lots of greif
[01:28] <Hrdwr_BoB> but
[01:28] <martinald> but i happen to like them
[01:28] <Hrdwr_BoB> you can use them
[01:28] <martinald> how? how?
[01:29] <Hrdwr_BoB> you would have to tell X your mouse has 7 buttons
[01:29] <martinald> i already have
[01:29] <Hrdwr_BoB> and then you would have to find a firefox configuration plugin that let you change function mappings
[01:29] <dieman> 128 requests currently being processed, 15 idle workers
[01:29] <dieman> yay.
[01:29] <dieman> its finally slowing down
[01:29] <martinald> the problem is mapping those 2 buttons to back and forward
[01:29] <Hrdwr_BoB> dieman, that looks sane :)
[01:29] <martinald> which is exactly what imwheel does
[01:29] <nictuku> what dieman?
[01:29] <martinald> but apparently thats obslete
[01:30] <nictuku> what installer is ubuntu using? d-i?
[01:30] <dieman> nictuku: ftp.cs.umn.edu
[01:30] <nictuku> oh I'm there too hehe
[01:31] <dieman> elmo_: heh, finally made it out?
[01:31] <nictuku> 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510582097.org lol
[01:31] <dieman> thanks :)
[01:32] <kl_> 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592.jp :)
[01:32] <dieman> if its too long, irc doesn't show it :)
[01:33] <dieman> well, hybrid based servers in paticular
[01:33] <kl_> hehe, domain name length limitation kicks in first :)
[01:33] <dieman> but, since everyone uses hybrid :)
[01:33] <sivang> dieman : i thought you used some kind of a hack to stash away your ip :)
[01:34] <crb> how many of those digits are 'active', nictuku?
[01:34] <lamont__>         realname = g_locale_to_utf8 (realname, -1, 0, 0, 0);
[01:34] <lamont__> which is bad when LOCALE doesn't match the data...  sigh.
[01:34] <nictuku> crb, /whois dieman
[01:35] <renners> hi... newbie here, just unstalled ubuntu... can I ask some questionns please?
[01:35] <Hrdwr_BoB> yes
[01:35] <dieman> sure
[01:35] <Hrdwr_BoB> martinald, hrm.. seems like a reasonable enough thing to do
[01:35] <dieman> mmmm. gprs.
[01:35] <Hrdwr_BoB> martinald, add universe to /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:35] <Hrdwr_BoB> and then apt-get install imwheel
[01:35] <lamont__> elmo_: #1257 is for you...
[01:35] <renners> ok... screen res is set to 1024... looks kinda small on my TFT monitor, I need to change to 1280 but can't see how?
[01:36] <Hrdwr_BoB> renners, in the computer->settings (iirc) menu
[01:36] <Hrdwr_BoB> there's a resolution changer
[01:36] <renners> max res available is 1024?
[01:36] <nictuku> start -> configurations -> control panel -> dislpay HEHEHE
[01:36] <punkass> have a shared printer on a XP box...trying to connect to it ,it finds it on the network no problem, but just when OK to finalize setup it ask for a username and password, but there is none required.
[01:36] <Hrdwr_BoB> renners, does your monitor do 1280 ?
[01:37] <Hrdwr_BoB> that's what your monitor has reported itself as doing
[01:37] <renners> yes, it's TFT, native res 1280x1024
[01:37] <parisi> Hey guys
[01:38] <Parisi> wow
[01:38] <Parisi> Channel just keeps getting bigger and bigger ;0
[01:38] <Hrdwr_BoB> renners, that's a bug :)
[01:38] <dieman> US Secretary of State Colin Powell says he hopes to be able to remove Saudi Arabia from the State Department list of religiously intolerant countries.
[01:38] <dieman> ack
[01:38] <dieman> misfire
[01:38] <dieman> wrong chan
[01:38] <Hrdwr_BoB> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[01:39] <nictuku> ubuntu is very promising. I hope you guys suceed.
[01:39] <Hrdwr_BoB> wil re-configure X and you can fix it there
[01:39] <renners> oh no!!!!! any work around?
[01:39] <lamont__> dieman: but how else will we get the OT news???
[01:39] <dieman> lamont__: haha
[01:39] <punkass> lol
[01:39] <dieman> lamont__: yeah, you've been fairly removed i guess because of release ;)
[01:39] <Hrdwr_BoB> renners, but if you can hang around, sometime when daniels is on, let him know baout it
[01:40] <Hrdwr_BoB> or email him at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:40] <tseng> if fooishbar is up
[01:40] <Hrdwr_BoB> yeah
[01:40] <renners> thanks bob
[01:40] <Parisi> How would i check my processor fequency from a command line?
[01:40] <Hrdwr_BoB> Parisi, cat /proc/cpuinfo
[01:40] <Parisi> Im pretty sure its running at a lower speed :(
[01:41] <Parisi> Yup,  i was right.
[01:41] <Parisi> Hrdwr_BoB,  thanks.
[01:41] <elmo_> lamont: huh?
[01:41] <Hrdwr_BoB> no worries
[01:41] <renners> another dumb question... I dont much like gnome, can I install KDE on ubuntu?
[01:41] <elmo_> openoffice.org-dictionaries | 20030813-3 | warty/universe | source
[01:41] <Hrdwr_BoB> renners, yes and no ... mostly no
[01:41] <Parisi> Now way!
[01:42] <Hrdwr_BoB> yes, in the future
[01:42] <Parisi> Gnome all the way!
[01:42] <Hrdwr_BoB> currently, not really
[01:42] <lamont__> elmo_: why didn't that package make it into at least universe???
[01:42] <Parisi> If you really like kde id suggest you another debian based distro.
[01:42] <Parisi> Mepis is a pretty good one.
[01:42] <lamont__> elmo_: or rather, we need to get it into at least universe...
[01:42] <Parisi> Sorry for jumping in into the conversation btw, heh.
[01:43] <elmo_> lamont: ITS IN UNIVERSE
[01:43] <Hrdwr_BoB> it's IRC, jumping in is what it's all about
[01:43] <Hrdwr_BoB> I should be working anyway
[01:43] <Hrdwr_BoB> or at least getting coffee
[01:43] <Parisi> Hehe.
[01:43] <elmo_> lamont: openoffice.org-dictionaries | 20030813-3 | warty/universe | source
[01:43] <Parisi> I just left work.
[01:43] <lamont__> hrmpf.
[01:43] <lamont__> ok.
[01:43] <lamont__> %_*&+(}IPO it's one of them thar arch all packages, isn't it.
[01:43] <lamont__> damn arch all
[01:43] <lamont__> seb128 about?
[01:44] <Parisi> How would i be able to disable my external monitor connected on my lappy? anyone would have any clue by any chance?
[01:44] <seb128> lamont__: what ?
[01:44] <Parisi> Under windows i can use a simple combination of keys.
[01:44] <lamont__> g_get_real_name is part of gnome, yes/
[01:44] <lamont__> >
[01:44] <lamont__> ?
[01:44] <seb128> yes
[01:44] <xxor_> there a problem with xmms DIST writer plugin .. doesnt write .wav's
[01:44] <Parisi> I hate how laptop support under distros just plain sucks
[01:44] <seb128> lamont__: glib's function
[01:45] <lamont__> well, if you pass it an iso-8859-1 name (say from /etc/passwd), it returns null...  This kinda pisses off other places that expect realname to be non-Null...
[01:45] <seb128> you have to pass utf-8 strings to glib functions
[01:45] <seb128> or it raises an error
[01:45] <lamont__> elmo_: my bad - I looked at w-b, not the archive.
[01:45] <lamont__> seb128: #1299 is caused by that...
[01:45] <seb128> g_locale_to_utf8 ()
[01:46] <seb128> to convert iso to utf-8
[01:46] <lamont__> yeah - that func sorry
[01:46] <lamont__> but when locale is en_US.UTF-8...
[01:46] <lamont__> it returns NULL
[01:46] <lamont__> when given ISO-8859-1 data
[01:46] <seb128> check with g_utf8_validate ()
[01:46] <lamont__> glib2.0 source?
[01:46] <seb128> and use convert is the result is false
[01:46] <Hrdwr_BoB> xxor_, what is the problem/error
[01:47] <seb128> lamont__: I'm using devhelp to browse the API, very handy
[01:47] <lamont__> seb128: if I force things happy in the one place that xchat does that, then we die in pallette.c in some shared lib....
[01:47] <seb128> lamont__: ?
[01:48] <seb128> lamont__: just use g_utf8_validate () and according to the result g_locale_to_utf8 () or not
[01:48] <seb128> so you're sure to get an utf-8 string
[01:48] <lamont__> grab source for xchat, help src/common/cfgfiles.c:551 ish to never let realname be NULL.  stuff an iso-8859-1 char in your user name in /etc/passwd, locale = some UTF-8 locale, and run xchat.
[01:49] <lamont__> seb128: it's not in xchat... it's in some shlib somewhere..
[01:49] <seb128> ok, let me check
[01:49] <lamont__> oops.
[01:49] <lamont__> src/fe-gtk/palette.c
[01:50] <lamont__> ok.  I need to run to class, will figure this out afterwards...
[01:50] <seb128> ok
[01:50] <lamont__> seb128: nm looking..
[01:51] <egon_spengler> quit
[01:55] <xxor_> Hrdwr_Bob: forget it .. its just buggy
[02:06] <tseng> hmm, how can i resolve an irq conflict
[02:06] <tseng> it looks like pcmcia and my ipw2200 both want irq7
[02:07] <tseng> ...
[02:12] <neighborlee> bios maybe or move card to another slot if poss.
[02:12] <djempak> tseng, can you assign IRQs using your BIOS setup?
[02:12] <tseng> no idea
[02:13] <tseng> neighborlee: its a laptop...
[02:13] <neighborlee> :)
[02:20] <neighborlee> hello ?
[02:20] <neighborlee> boy its quiet all of a sudden
[02:26] <elmo_> kamion: did you see my earlier comments about framebuffer?
[02:26] <elmo_> kamion: also, sarge rc-1 works on the machine, with linux2.6, and ignore my blabbering about the device name earlier, sarge uses /dev/cciss/c0d0 just fine
[02:37] <tory> when I use the industrial theme the desktop emblem overlaps the text :(
[02:40] <scapegoat> anyone else notice that it didn't let you set a root passwd? and i don't know what it is? :P
[02:41] <tory> use sudo
[02:41] <scapegoat> sudo. gah
[02:41] <tory> search the website. I think it says that you can set a root password
[02:41] <scapegoat> ya i shoulda done that first ;) thx
[02:41] <jblack> Yup. sudo passwd
[02:43] <scapegoat> this is a wicked distro
[02:43] <tory> yeah :)
[02:43] <twisted_steel> i'm tempted to toss it on my laptop
[02:44] <keifer> yeah, I was surprised, for me, it's running faster then gentoo did.
[02:44] <twisted_steel> though I should be using it for homework :)
[02:45] <neighborlee> keifer, yeah its nice and fast ;-)
[02:45] <neighborlee> what a bonus ;-)))
[02:46] <jblack> hiya ancker
[02:46] <anckerlaptop> howdy
[02:46] <scapegoat> gnome 2.8 is wicked too
[02:47] <twisted_steel> the computer menu looks quite nice in the screenshots
[02:48] <keifer> I can't stand the themes for it, but I can deal with that... (/me runs off to crystalgnome.org)
[02:52] <anckerlaptop> looks nice...I'm not a gnome user though...any ideas on when KDE will be included?
[02:53] <twisted_steel> I think I saw something about that in an article
[02:53] <jblack> ancker: Soon.
[02:53] <anckerlaptop> okay
[02:56] <martinald> oh shit
[02:56] <martinald> big fuckup from me
[02:56] <martinald> i shagged my xfree config file
[02:56] <martinald> got very stuck
[02:56] <martinald> so i thought hey.. if i do rm XF* it might force it to rebuild a default one
[02:56] <twisted_steel> heh
[02:56] <martinald> big mistake. most of xfree goes... had to reinstall it all
[02:57] <martinald> how can i revert my xfree file back to default?
[02:57] <martinald> the one that came when i installed ubuntu
[02:58] <JStrike> martinald : Isn't there the saved one? The ~ file
[02:58] <martinald> i don't believe so
[02:58] <martinald> i think i'd of noticed that while sitting at init3 ;)
[02:59] <martinald> but the one xf86config makes is really nasty
[03:00] <JStrike> he
[03:01] <neighborlee> how do I extract a .sh file ?
[03:01] <martinald> does anyone know where i can find the settings for a hansol 930D monitor?
[03:01] <Hrdwr_BoB> neighborlee, what do you actually want to do
[03:01] <martinald> extract?
[03:01] <martinald> you don't extract
[03:01] <martinald> you do sh shellfile.sh or ./shellfile
[03:01] <martinald> .sh
[03:02] <mdz> martinald: dpkg --purge xserver-xfree86; apt-get install xserver-xfree86
[03:03] <neighborlee> Hrdwr_BoB, well..i'm trying to install theut2k4 retail via a .sh script included on the CD
[03:04] <neighborlee> Hrdwr_BoB, but..its written FOR gtk1 not gtk2 that gnome2.8 comes with.
[03:04] <neighborlee> Hrdwr_BoB, thus the problem LOL..they made it for gtk1 compat it seems..so i'm being told to extract .sh file and run it another way
[03:04] <Hrdwr_BoB> ah
[03:04] <neighborlee> Hrdwr_BoB, sigh I might just as well use the textual installer and forget it LOL
[03:04] <martinald> ok. i'll try it out
[03:04] <Hrdwr_BoB> that's a much better idea :)
[03:04] <neighborlee> Hrdwr_BoB, they are talking about supporting GTK2 'next time' <G>
[03:05] <martinald> will that make the original, non xf86config file?
[03:07] <martinald> install gtk1
[03:07] <martinald> thats easy with apt-get
[03:07] <s0dak1ng> mdz:did u ever see that dr_something guy?did ubuntu run on his M6811 laptop
[03:08] <mdz> s0dak1ng: I don't know
[03:08] <martinald> apt-get install libgtk1.2 should do it
[03:11] <sivang> mdz : is there a package to install bitorrent in warty?
[03:13] <neighborlee> sivang, yes
[03:13] <sivang> neighborlee : i suppose it comes from sid?
[03:13] <neighborlee> have fun ;-)
[03:14] <mdz> sivang: the package is named, quite unsurprisingly, 'bittorrent' :-)
[03:14] <neighborlee> sivang, faik yes
[03:14] <savs> just installed latest version - serious improvement, actually worked first time, totally impressed!
[03:14] <mdz> savs: thanks!
[03:15] <savs> mystified about suspend/resume/acpi power settings though - any hints where they are hidden?
[03:15] <sivang> mdz : hmm , tried that a couple of times, well what do you know? my shaky typing is to blame again!
[03:15] <sivang> mdz : :)
[03:15] <mdz> savs: currently we don't automatically suspend/resume because it causes problems on too many laptops
[03:16] <mdz> savs: this is something we will work to improve in the next release
[03:16] <savs> ok, i guessed that might be the case (it's never worked on this laptop before ;-)
[03:16] <savs> so i assume no gui tools are there for configuring power settings?
[03:16] <mdz> savs: no, but it does a lot of nice things by default\
[03:16] <sivang> mdz : that can be added to a patched version of d-i, to create the suspend partition etc,
[03:17] <savs> ok
[03:17] <mdz> savs: when you go on battery power, it enables laptop mode in the kernel, sets hard drive spindown times, and throttles the screensaver, for example
[03:17] <savs> cool - lemme try ;-)
[03:17] <savs> install log, btw: http://www.andrewsavory.com/blog/archives/000373.html
[03:20] <s0dak1ng> mdz:is there a list of languages/input editor ubuntu supports?
[03:21] <mdz> s0dak1ng: nothing I could provide a URL for at the moment
[03:22] <s0dak1ng> mdz:does it support any asian input editor?
[03:22] <mdz> s0dak1ng: uim, xim, etc. are available in universe
[03:22] <mdz> scim
[03:23] <tseng> boo
[03:23] <tseng> when i close the lid on my laptop it feezes solid
[03:24] <npmccallum> tseng: put it in the oven, should warm it up a bit :)
[03:24] <tseng> npmccallum: i love you too
[03:24] <tseng> anyway, i stopped apmd and acpid and hit the little button again
[03:24] <tseng> same thing
[03:25] <tseng> rmmod button, hit it again
[03:25] <mdz> tseng: seems like a bios problem, no?
[03:25] <tseng> locked hard like nate's legs
[03:25] <mdz> ubuntu doesn't try to go to sleep or anything when you close the lid
[03:25] <mdz> could be an X/console switching problem
[03:25] <tseng> it could be
[03:25] <tseng> but gentoo never cared when i closed the lid
[03:25] <mdz> but if it doesn't help to kill acpid, that shouldn't be it
[03:25] <tseng> in fact, i had it run radeontool to turn the backlight off.
[03:26] <mdz> tseng: boot with acpi=off?
[03:26] <tseng> the only thing i changed in bios was disabling the modem
[03:26] <mdz> (or is it noacpi?)
[03:26] <tseng> i have pci=noacpi
[03:26] <mdz> try acpi=off
[03:26] <tseng> will do
[03:29] <tseng> mdz: that works
[03:29] <tseng> except for the obvious issue that i no longer have acpi :)
[03:30] <npmccallum> tseng: try nolapic
[03:31] <tseng> ok
[03:32] <mdz> tseng: bug please, with dmesg output, BIOS manufacturer/version/date?
[03:32] <tseng> dmesg will obviously be before it locks
[03:32] <tseng> the rest i can do
[03:34] <lifeless> the lsb init functions have bash-specific syntax on line 76
[03:34] <lifeless> I did an upgrade from a debian system that had dash as /bin/sh. Nothing restarted as a result.
[03:35] <tseng> npmccallum: with nolapic, the button just makes X flash for a second
[03:35] <mdz> lifeless: bug please
[03:35] <lifeless> mdz: k.
[03:36] <npmccallum> lifeless: which part of that line is the bash'ism?
[03:37] <lifeless> npmccallum: no idea. try running it under dash.
[03:38] <lifeless> mdz: our ssl certificate on bugzilla needs refreshing
[03:38] <lifeless> want a bug on that too?
[03:38] <mdz> npmccallum: the ${//} substitution
[03:38] <mdz> lifeless: sure
[03:38] <mdz> the more, the merrier
[03:39] <lifeless> oh, did jdub forward the warts observed in the installed on wednesday ?
[03:39] <Hrdwr_BoB> bug 1224: Need to get milk on the way home
[03:39] <jsc> nice distro folks... the amd64 version is nice
[03:39] <mdz> jsc: thanks!
[03:39] <jsc> my pleasure
[03:40] <jsc> literally
[03:40] <npmccallum> mdz, lifeless: I'll fix it now, its actually an upstream bug
[03:40] <jsc> nvidia works well on it too
[03:45] <s0dak1ng> jsc:what machine u got?
[03:46] <jsc> msi k8t neo platinum
[03:46] <jsc> 3200
[03:46] <jsc> amd64... 1 gig ram
[03:46] <jsc> bfg 6800
[03:48] <jsc> also have an msi k8t neo fisr2 with a 2800 and 512 ram
[03:48] <jsc> i have used gentoo mostly
[03:49] <jsc> but i like to try out different distro's too
[03:54] <lamont> hrm... irc.ubuntulinux.org is NXDOMAIN
[03:54] <tdicola> hello all
[03:55] <lamont> well, that wasn't so bad...
[03:55] <tdicola> is there an warty preview net install iso?
[03:55] <tdicola> er a warty
[03:55] <lamont> tdicola: hrm...
[03:55] <tdicola> a friend of mine saw a mini.iso on archive.ubuntu.com a few days ago
[03:56] <tdicola> 4.5 megs or so
[03:56] <tdicola> but no luck now
[03:56] <lamont> I don't think 4.5 meg would do it...
[03:56] <lamont> maybe 45 meg
[03:57] <lamont> I don't see any poking around where they would be.
[03:57] <tdicola> yeah he said it had to download everything
[03:58] <tdicola> doh looks like he found it
[03:58] <tdicola> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[03:58] <tdicola> well thanks anyways :)
[03:59] <schweeb> whiprush: no, haven't got suspend yet
[03:59] <schweeb> anyone in here using suspend to ram in ubuntu?
[04:02] <tseng> npmccallum: what is nolapic btw
[04:03] <Chriffer> I havent tried suspend yet
[04:03] <Chriffer> just tried closing the lid, xscreensaver locked the screen
[04:05] <npmccallum> tseng: disables local apic
[04:05] <Parisi> How do i change color scheme under gnome 2.8
[04:06] <Parisi> I cant even read my fonts on the botton task bar once i installed a osc theme.
[04:06] <Parisi> osx*
[04:06] <Parisi> Same on xchat.
[04:06] <jdub> morning everyone!
[04:06] <tseng> lo jdub
[04:08] <punkass> hi all.
[04:08] <sivang> hmm 5:00 am is certainly morning jdub :)
[04:08] <schweeb> Chriffer: heh, much different than suspend
[04:08] <punkass> where is a good spot to get all the codecs for totem?
[04:09] <lamont> jdub: you wanna review the patch for xchat?
[04:09] <punkass> great distro by the way.
[04:09] <neighborlee> guys is it okay to add a real live debian unstable branch..I need audacity and its not in unbuntu ..????;-)
[04:10] <jdub> sivang: 1200 (noon) here, i slept pretty soundly after all the release action ;-)
[04:10] <jdub> lamont: bug#?
[04:10] <jdub> neighborlee: it's not in universe?
[04:10] <lamont> jdub: 1299 (and 1314 while I'm there...)
[04:10] <Chriffer> audcity 1.2.1 in universe
[04:11] <sivang> jdub : me also, but only one day of rest. there too much action since :)
[04:11] <jordi> damn
[04:11] <tseng> can anyone play dvds in totem
[04:11] <lamont> neighborlee: you mean this one???  universe/sound/audacity_1.2.1-1: Installed [optional:uncompiled]
[04:12] <neighborlee> jdub, oh crud I forgot about universe sorry..i'll add it to my sources.list
[04:12] <lamont> neighborlee: or which arch are you looking at?
[04:12] <jdub> tseng: no, there's no dvdcss support
[04:12] <neighborlee> lamont, kewl that works ;-0
[04:12] <jdub> tseng: but if you install totem-xine (universe) and libdvdcss (available on the web) you can watch dvds
[04:12] <neighborlee> lamont, nm I forgot about universe..warty is only one in default sources.list ;-0
[04:12] <neighborlee> warty main restricted
[04:13] <lamont> yeah
[04:13] <lamont> universe is not supported, so it's not there by default.
[04:13] <neighborlee> yup
[04:13] <lamont> if you're smart enough to add it, you're smart enough to know you're on your own... :-)
[04:13] <tseng> jdub: great, thanks
[04:13] <sil^> Question: once I've told the installer that I want to install packages from the net, why does it still add the CDROM as an apt source (and a preferred one at that)?
[04:13] <lifeless> npmccallum: #1325
[04:14] <npmccallum> lifeless: thanks :)
[04:14] <lifeless> mdz: what component for bugzilla bugs ? / website bugs ?
[04:14] <jdub> lamont: nothing more than a one liner for 1314
[04:14] <neighborlee> lamont, of course ;-)
[04:14] <jdub> ?
[04:15] <lamont> jdub: 3 lines, one of them blank. :-)
[04:15] <lamont> +       {"Ubuntu Servers", 0, "#ubuntu"},
[04:15] <lamont> +       {0,                     "irc.freenode.net"},
[04:15] <lamont> +
[04:15] <lamont>         {"Debian Servers", 0, "#debian"},
[04:15] <jdub> lamont: heh, ok, i'll approve ;)
[04:15] <lamont> the other bug is the crit one, and it's patch is a bit longer, with a nod to seb.
[04:15] <lamont> and has the patch in the bts
[04:16] <jdub> lifeless: what's this for?
[04:16] <lamont> jdub: knife practice, of course.
[04:16] <lifeless> jdub: the ssl certificate is wrong on bugzilla
[04:16] <jdub> mailing list is heating up :-)
[04:16] <jdub> lifeless: oh, just UNKONWN
[04:16] <jdub> lifeless: but it's already reported
[04:17] <lifeless> jdub: mdz asked for a bug to be filed
[04:17] <lifeless> so I did
[04:18] <jdub> oh, i was pretty sure it was already in there
[04:19] <sivang> jdub : ironically you used "soundly" to describe how well you slept :)
[04:22] <punkass> which codecs should i use for totem..xine or mplayer?
[04:22] <Hrdwr_BoB> totem uses gstreamer or xine
[04:22] <jdub> punkass: totem has only gstreamer or xine backends
[04:23] <jdub> punkass: i'd recommend installing totem-xine
[04:23] <tseng> punkass: xine plays alot more video formats in my experience
[04:23] <punkass> ok thanks
[04:23] <tseng> gstreamer is pretty good for audio
[04:24] <Parisi> how come mplayer is not on apt?
[04:24] <Parisi> o_O
[04:24] <punkass> oh i see u can only have on or the other
[04:25] <punkass> one*
[04:25] <Hrdwr_BoB> Parisi, the legality of mplayer is EXTREMELY questionable
[04:25] <Parisi> It is?
[04:25] <Hrdwr_BoB> yes
[04:25] <Parisi> hmm...
[04:25] <lamont> in some jurisdictions more than others
[04:25] <Parisi> Strange.
[04:25] <Hrdwr_BoB> yeah
[04:25] <Parisi> Every other distro includes it tho :(
[04:25] <Hrdwr_BoB> I live in a country where it's not CURRENTLY illegal
[04:25] <Hrdwr_BoB> but it's about to be
[04:25] <Hrdwr_BoB> Parisi, debian does not
[04:26] <Parisi> Mepis did, odd.
[04:26] <Hrdwr_BoB> Parisi, availability does not mean it's included :)
[04:26] <punkass> how does xine sit?
[04:26] <sivang> Parisi : redhat does?
[04:26] <tester> moof
[04:26] <punkass> compared to mplayer
[04:26] <Hrdwr_BoB> punkass, xine is fine
[04:26] <tester> and #1299 falls
[04:26] <sivang> Hrdwr_BoB : usa?
[04:26] <punkass> how come mplayer is more "illegal"
[04:26] <Parisi> sivang, fedora, yes.
[04:27] <Parisi> Once you have apt installed.
[04:27] <Parisi> Mplayer is just a mplayer, dont see how that would make it any different from any other player such as xine.
[04:27] <tseng> Parisi: it uses binary codecs from windows, for one
[04:28] <sivang> Parisi : it's included codecs and usage, is convtroversial
[04:28] <Parisi> But wouldnt that be optional?
[04:28] <Parisi> hehe.
[04:28] <Parisi> Controversial.
[04:28] <lamont> Bug List: Critical
[04:28] <lamont> No bugs found.
[04:28] <lamont> kewl
[04:29] <sivang> Parisi : i'm after a night without sleep, not paying so much attentionto spelling mistakes ..
[04:29] <sivang> ;)
[04:29] <Parisi> hmm, i wish my processor would just run at full speed since its plugged in on ac power.
[04:29] <Parisi> This doesnt make sense.
[04:29] <sivang> Parisi : what brand?
[04:29] <Parisi> sivang,  no bog deal.
[04:29] <Parisi> Sony VAIO pIII 800
[04:30] <Parisi> it only triggers it back to 800 when i run a program such as a updatedb.
[04:30] <sivang> Parisi : i found that there's a bios setting that makes the proccesspr worl full power on ac
[04:30] <Chriffer> My VAIO was running at 134GHz according to the applet
[04:30] <sivang> Parisi : should be there somewhere, however be adviced that this can cause the machine to heat up a bit
[04:30] <Parisi> sivang, well, i believe its already set up that way.
[04:30] <sivang> Parisi : unles you've changed that, it's probably not.
[04:30] <Parisi> sivang,  i always run at 800 under windows when plugged in.
[04:31] <Parisi> when i disconnect it automatically drops down to 645 and brightness goes lower.
[04:31] <Parisi> I wish Linux would do that as well.
[04:31] <Chriffer> IT can but it takes effort
[04:32] <Parisi> ya, i wish a distro would get that right one day.
[04:32] <Parisi> Thatw ould be a bless.
[04:32] <Parisi> Would*
[04:32] <Parisi> I dont mind hibernate/suspend.
[04:32] <Parisi> But this one is a crucial.
[04:32] <Parisi> Battery wont even last 3 hours under linux..
[04:33] <Parisi> It just drains very quicky.
[04:33] <Chriffer> hehe mine lasts less than 10 minutes
[04:33] <Parisi> Most likely because of the brightness settings,.
[04:33] <Parisi> At this point i have no way to set my brigthness level underr linux.
[04:33] <Parisi> Which is the lame
[04:33] <wasabi> ubuntu should step out from the pack and ditch sysvinit.;)
[04:34] <Parisi> hehe.
[04:34] <Chriffer> look at sonypi
[04:34] <jdub> Parisi: we have great support for most acpi implementations
[04:34] <Chriffer> and theres another thing
[04:34] <Parisi> I heard of that Chri
[04:34] <jdub> Parisi: but some require a bit of kernel work and so on
[04:34] <jdub> Parisi: for instance, my X300 doesn't think it has batteries :)
[04:34] <jdub> but those will be sorted
[04:34] <Parisi> jdub, thats harsh, another reason to use XP
[04:35] <Parisi> Altough more and more i use it less.
[04:35] <Parisi> Screw Sony
[04:35] <jdub> Parisi: depends on what's important to you, of course. but linux moves faster than any other os on issues like this. we'll get there.
[04:35] <Parisi> This is very important to me.
[04:35] <Parisi> Specially on the road.
[04:36] <Parisi> I am forced to use XP when im out there.
[04:36] <Parisi> It gives me the best use of my battery.
[04:36] <Parisi> What choice do i have really.
[04:37] <Parisi> Also, is there a way to add shortcuts to the desktop under 2.8?
[04:37] <Parisi> It just wont let me drag and move it there.
[04:37] <jdub> right click
[04:37] <jdub> 'create launcher'
[04:38] <Parisi> Well, just by dragin it tho.
[04:38] <Parisi> Is that not possible?
[04:38] <Parisi> I justw anna drang a program from my start menu.
[04:38] <jdub> you can also drag from the panel, but not currently from the menu
[04:38] <Parisi> And put it there.
[04:38] <jsubl2> right click and put it on the panel then drag and drop
[04:38] <jdub> sorry, yes you can drag from the menu
[04:39] <jdub> but you need to hold the button down
[04:39] <jdub> there is an odd interaction there
[04:39] <Parisi> hmm..
[04:39] <Parisi> Just wont work for me.
[04:39] <Parisi> Odd.
[04:40] <Parisi> Ah  i see..
[04:40] <Parisi> I wanted to add a shortcut to my Home folder to the desktop.
[04:40] <Parisi> That wont work.
[04:40] <Parisi> Programs will do.
[04:40] <Parisi> tho*
[04:41] <lifeless> mdz: don't update to ipw2200 0.8 just yet
[04:41] <lifeless> its got a few quirks
[04:43] <Hrdwr_BoB> Parisi, yeah
[04:43] <Hrdwr_BoB> I wanted to do that too
[04:43] <punkass> will the codecs from the mplayer site work with xine?
[04:43] <Hrdwr_BoB> it's a sensible user thing
[04:43] <Hrdwr_BoB> it just doesn't work yet
[04:46] <neighborlee> is it okay to procede installing libgtk1.2 and *-common ?..dont want to break cause I know if I do I get both pieces ..o_0
[04:47] <neighborlee> ie: its for install of audacity...a much needed music app
[04:47] <neighborlee> only one I know of that does what I need in linux
[04:48] <Hrdwr_BoB> that should be fine
[04:48] <neighborlee> okay thx ;-00
[04:48] <neighborlee> that might also fix my GUI installer for some games too <G>
[04:49] <jdub> neighborlee: but remember that universe stuff is unsupported ;)
[04:49] <neighborlee> jdub, yes I know
[04:49] <neighborlee> jdub, not to worry..I know i get both pieces
[04:49] <neighborlee> its a risk I must take based on my music production needs
[04:50] <lamont> elmo around?
[04:50] <jdub> neighborlee: :-)
[04:51] <devkelso> hello all, I have some questions about ubuntu...
[04:51] <jdub> devkelso: this is the place for it
[04:52] <punkass> whats the best way to watch embedded wmv etc in firefox
[04:52] <bolivar> anyone setup a apt server with flash and java yet? hehe
[04:52] <Chriffer> gxine seems to work
[04:52] <devkelso> I love debian as a distro and gnome as a desktop, and I have been looking forward to an open desktop oriented distro based on the debian
[04:53] <Chriffer> I had to setup the plugin by hand though
[04:53] <devkelso> how open are you planning to keep ubuntu?
[04:53] <punkass> i just found a xine-mozilla plugin
[04:54] <Chriffer> Where did you find that punkass?
[04:54] <punkass> http://cambuca.ldhs.cetuc.puc-rio.br/xine/
[04:54] <punkass> its new to..just updated today
[04:55] <sivang> mdz : is #277 still on?
[04:55] <sivang> mdz : i having trouble reproducing..
[04:55] <Chriffer> gxine was somewhere either in the normal repo or in universe
[04:56] <Chriffer> the plugin installed to /usr/lib/gxine/something and i had to link it to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
[04:57] <Parisi> aha!
[04:57] <Parisi> Figured it out how to setup brigtness on my Sony vaio
[04:58] <Parisi> Only from a command line tho, and after executing a specific module.
[04:58] <jdub> devkelso: very much so
[04:58] <sivang> good night people
[05:02] <Adonijah-> anyone else figure out how to migrate evolution 1.4.x mail to evolution 2.0 under ubuntu?
[05:02] <devkelso> jdub: I am interested in commiting time to a distro, but debian is to political, and fedora to closed.  Are developers pretty welcome here?
[05:03] <jdub> devkelso: definitely :)
[05:03] <jdub> Adonijah-: should happen when you first run evo2
[05:03] <jdub> devkelso: join -devel
[05:03] <Hrdwr_BoB> Adonijah-, it should Just Work
[05:03] <Adonijah-> jdub, i got an error when i first started evo2, then it prompted me to setup my mail accounts and started normally
[05:03] <Adonijah-> jdub, but it didn't migrate anything
[05:04] <devkelso> jdub: good ;)  How do I get involved in the graphical installer here?
[05:04] <whiprush> Adonijah-: you could probably do a file->import and choose the mbox file.
[05:04] <jdub> devkelso: well, work has not really started on some of those HoaryHedgehog goals, but join the list, and you'll hear about them as soon as they start ;)
[05:04] <Adonijah-> whiprush, dude, i have like 300 mbox files
[05:04] <Adonijah-> whiprush, that would take forever
[05:04] <jdub> Adonijah-: hrm, d'oh :|
[05:05] <whiprush> eek
[05:05] <Adonijah-> jdub, the error was something about not being able to start evolution datastore or the like properly
[05:05] <Adonijah-> jdub, how do I reset evolution to get the first time prompt again?
[05:06] <jdub> Adonijah-: delete ~/.evolution
[05:06] <jdub> Adonijah-: *not* ~/evolution ;-)
[05:06] <jdub> Adonijah-: and then perhaps check /apps/evolution in gconf-editor
[05:06] <Adonijah-> jdub, I have that backed up ;)
[05:06] <jdub> ehhhxcellent ;)
[05:06] <Adonijah-> jdub, this is a clean home dir btw
[05:06] <Adonijah-> jdub, the only thing I did was untar my evolution directory into home
[05:06] <Adonijah-> jdub, err... ~/
[05:07] <devkelso> jdub: where is a good todo then?
[05:08] <jdub> devkelso: bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org 8)
[05:08] <jdub> devkelso: also, on the wiki under HoaryHedgehog
[05:08] <devkelso> jdub: I can see you love a good bum rush ;)
[05:08] <jdub> devkelso: the HoaryHedgehog page has our broad goals for the next release
[05:10] <devkelso> jdub: yeah I came prepared, quite unusual for me.
[05:11] <Adonijah-> jdub, no dice
[05:11] <Adonijah-> jdub, wait a minute
[05:11] <Adonijah-> jdub, let me do that again ;)
[05:12] <tory> Please let us know if Mono is important to you or your projects, we are actively researching this at the moment and you could help us take the best decision.
[05:12] <tory> I want Mono
[05:12] <tory> and Muine instead of Rhythmbox :-)
[05:12] <tseng> tory: see the user ml
[05:12] <tseng> i posted packages.
[05:12] <tory> omg
[05:13] <clee> tseng totally rules.
[05:13] <clee> tseng: how is muine, btw?
[05:13] <clee> tseng: can it handle a few thousand songs?
[05:13] <tseng> sure can
[05:13] <tseng> i have ~800 atm in my flac collection
[05:13] <tseng> used to have more like 2k
[05:13] <tseng> in mp3s
[05:14] <clee> does it do FLAC?
[05:14] <tseng> it does gstreamer
[05:14] <tseng> so pretty much anything.
[05:14] <jdub> tory: we're looking at including mono in our next release
[05:14] <clee> jdub: go for it, piss off hp
[05:14] <jdub> tory: tseng has done some bleeding edge mono packages for warty too
[05:14] <jdub> muine is way ard
[05:14] <jdub> rad
[05:15] <tseng> the only thing its lacking is some good shuffle action
[05:15] <whiprush> your vocabulary is def.
[05:15] <tseng> if you want to shuffle a big playlist, you still want rhythmbox
[05:15] <tory> I added deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs ./ to my sources.list
[05:15] <clee> I tend to listen to an album at a time
[05:15] <whiprush> tseng: yeah I hate that
[05:15] <clee> can it randomize albums?
[05:15] <tseng> no
[05:15] <tory> and ran apt-get update but now I have a ton of unmet dependencies
[05:15] <Adonijah-> jdub, ok, after evolution-2.0 --force-shutdown, deleting ~/.evolution and ~/.gconf/apps/evolution and then doing a kill -HUP on gconfd, re-extracting my old ~/evolution into my home dir, and then restarting evolution and starting evolution-2.0 for the second time it migrated perfectly, accounts and all
[05:15] <clee> wtf
[05:15] <clee> week
[05:15] <clee> er, weak even
[05:15] <tseng> there are plans to add a "party shuffle" kinda deal though
[05:15] <clee> yeah, I can spell, and type
[05:15] <jdub> Adonijah-: heh, that's how it's meant to work first time ;)
[05:16] <jdub> Adonijah-: great ;)
[05:16] <Adonijah-> jdub, so I think the evolution datastore is squirrely
[05:16] <tory> there's no mono-mint
[05:16] <Adonijah-> jdub, at least for new user accounts
[05:16] <tory> E: Package mono-mint has no installation candidate
[05:16] <tseng> tory: nope, you need it?
[05:16] <tory> apparently
[05:16] <tseng> i built the mono source package, and didnt get it
[05:16] <tseng> tory: youre non x86?
[05:16] <tory> I've got an Athlon 64 running the i386 version
[05:16] <clee> mmm. i386.
[05:16] <tseng> http://www.jbaayen.dds.nl/proposal.html <-- plan for random playlists in muine
[05:16] <neighborlee> no biggie just wondering..are there supposed to be any desktop icons..I dont have any...which is usually my preference but sometimes right clicking CDROM > eject is nice..anyway is this norm ?
[05:17] <tseng> tory: yeah.. the jit wasnt released yet I think
[05:17] <jdub> tory: didn't want the amd64 version?
[05:17] <jdub> neighborlee: no, desktop icons are off. :-)
[05:17] <tory> jdub: I tried it out but it had gnome 2.72 and some other stuff
[05:17] <tseng> tory: try installing mono-mint from debian unstable maybe?
[05:17] <jdub> neighborlee: see the FAQ ;)
[05:17] <neighborlee> jdub, okay thx thats fine
[05:17] <tory> tseng: how do I do that :/
[05:17] <Adonijah-> jdub, oh, and I dunno that it makes a difference, but i'm running amd64 here
[05:17] <tseng> us x86 dudes use mono-jit
[05:17] <neighborlee> jdub, as I say I usually prefer it ;-0
[05:17] <tseng> not -mint
[05:17] <tory> well if I apt-get install mono it brings up mono-mint as an unmet dependency
[05:17] <jdub> Adonijah-: hrm, probably not
[05:18] <neighborlee> jdub, I mean usually prefer them off ;-)..I like clean uncluttered desktop ;-0
[05:18] <jdub> Adonijah-: so you had a totally new user account, unpacked your evolution dir, and ran evo2?
[05:18] <tseng> i should throw up monodevelop
[05:19] <tseng> anyway, im beat
[05:19] <tseng> ill see you crazy kids tommorow
[05:19] <Adonijah-> jdub, yep
[05:19] <tory> does anybody have a link to that site for pasting code
[05:19] <Adonijah-> jdub, just finished setting up my system, logged in, unpacked my evo dir, ran evo2, kablooie
[05:20] <Adonijah-> and maybe I did exaggerate a bit, i don't have 300 mboxes, but I do have about 30 or so :)
[05:20] <jdub> Adonijah-: okay, so, i think this is a good upstream evo bug
[05:20] <Adonijah-> jdub, wished I had grabbed the error when I saw it
[05:20] <jdub> Adonijah-: it basically means that if you don't have existing evo config (in gconf), it won't correctly migrate the actual data
[05:21] <jdub> Adonijah-: can you ping the evo guys about it? #evolution on gimpnet, or bugzilla.ximian.com
[05:21] <tory> http://rafb.net/paste/results/QKJLlw15.html
[05:21] <tory> ^ that's what I get
[05:21] <Adonijah-> jdub, if I can reproduce with a new use account
[05:21] <jdub> Adonijah-: cool
[05:21] <Adonijah-> jdub, thanks
[05:21] <Adonijah-> jdub, sleep time :)
[05:24] <tory> tseng: wake up :(
[05:26] <jdub> npmccallum: are you getting upload confirms for your uploads/
[05:26] <Amroc> question time...agian!
[05:27] <Amroc> if i was to go download the full version of warty, and install that, how easy is that to partition the hard drive or shold i get my brothers help?
[05:27] <jdub> Amroc: it's pretty easy
[05:27] <Amroc> and is there any way to reverse it back to winblows if needed?
[05:27] <jdub> Amroc: but if you need to resize things, i'd recommend using other tools at this stage
[05:27] <bolivar> amroc: you can simply accept the default
[05:28] <jdub> Amroc: well, if you set up partitions alongside windows, you can choose to boot windows or ubuntu
[05:28] <Amroc> so i still have all the stuff i have saved (ie. pics, songs, ect) when i switch?
[05:28] <bolivar> are you running windows or linux now? are you running both?
[05:29] <Amroc> winbows, i think me *cringe*
[05:29] <matthewjs> does anyone know how to get suspend to disk to work?
[05:29] <Amroc> i think i know how to get linux on my machine, bug my brother into helping
[05:30] <bolivar> you will need to use a partitioning tool to make room on your drive...or back up all your files and only install linux
[05:30] <tory> oic, switching to universe lets me install mono
[05:30] <bolivar> if your brave that is ; )
[05:33] <linux_mafia> does ubuntu support reiserfs on the install?
[05:33] <bolivar> its not the default, but yes you can change it
[05:33] <linux_mafia> sweet
[05:34] <clee> reiserfs is totally weak
[05:34] <Amroc> are you guys getting alot of people inhere now that you made slashdot?
[05:34] <clee> xfs fo life
[05:34] <whiprush> clee: word.
[05:34] <linux_mafia> downloading now, went from debian to fedora after 5 years, wanted a bit of spit and polish, now it looks like i'll have the best of both worlds ;)
[05:35] <bolivar> you wont miss fedora
[05:37] <linux_mafia> yeah i only used it for two months, and i wanted to go back to deb, but i also wanted to try something new, so this is perfect timing
[05:38] <whiprush> time based releases is going to rock
[05:38] <Amroc> how well do you think warty will work on an older laptop?
[05:38] <mako> Amroc: how old is the laptop :)
[05:39] <sladen> Amroc: probably better than on a brand new one---stuff is even /more/ likely to be supported and working.  But yes, depends on the laptop!
[05:39] <mako> if it's *real* old, it might be rough
[05:40] <sn0wman> Has anyone else had trouble getting the binary nvidia driver working?
[05:40] <Amroc> bout 4 years old
[05:40] <mako> jordi was running warty on some old laptop i think
[05:40] <mako> some pitiful amount of ram
[05:40] <mako> he was braver than i
[05:40] <mako> Amroc: should be fine
[05:40] <mako> Amroc: mine is about that.. maybe 3
[05:40] <jsubl2> sn0wman, it worked okay for me
[05:41] <Amroc> hmmm, i think i need to jsut back up files and do full install then, now to figure out how to get files off this machine
[05:41] <sn0wman> jsubl2, so you installed the kernel source, unpacked it, and set Nvidia setup
[05:41] <sn0wman> 's flag to the path
[05:41] <sn0wman> cause that what i did, and it croaks over a gcc version mismatch
[05:42] <linux_mafia> i noticed alot of people on osnews were whining about no cd burning app, can you not install k3b? or is it just a matter of adding the right sources? is it in universe?
[05:42] <jsubl2> sn0wman, the kernel modules was already there.  I modprobe'd it manually first time. then added it to /etc/modules
[05:42] <jsubl2> linux_mafia, nautilus can burn.
[05:42] <whiprush> there is a cd burning app
[05:42] <whiprush> just put in a blank cd.
[05:43] <sn0wman> linux_mafia, nautilus-cd-burner is fine for anything but audio CDs
[05:43] <linux_mafia> whiprush, this i know, but audio cds, vcd's and the like
[05:43] <whiprush> someone reported earlier that k3b is working now in universe
[05:43] <linux_mafia> cool
[05:45] <bolivar> looking on the webpage for anything special i need to do to create some packages....does the page have that?
[05:47] <jsubl2> sn0wman, i just apt-get nvidia-glx plus what i said
[05:48] <sn0wman> jsubl2, yeah, thanks.  I got it working. :)
[05:49] <ish> 3 times a charm I hope..  2 toasters down..
[05:52] <punkass> so is there any trick to geting the nvidia drivers to wokr
[05:52] <punkass> er work
[05:52] <punkass> i change nv to nvidia in XF86config-4 but that just ended up with an error
[05:53] <jsubl2> punkass, apt-get install nvidia.  ediit XF86Config-4, add nvidia /etc/modules, modprobe nvidia or reboot
[05:54] <punkass>  Couldn't find package nvidia
[05:54] <jsubl2> nvidia-glx sorry
[05:55] <punkass> Package nvidia-glx is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:55] <m_tthew> jsubl2: actually think the nvidia stuff will show up as a choice in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 after the package is installed
[05:56] <m_tthew> so XF86Config-4 can be modified that way
[05:56] <punkass> so i just run dpkg-reconfigure?
[05:56] <m_tthew> punkass: after you install nvidia-glx, I think so
[05:56] <punkass> hmm i cant find that
[05:56] <jdub> punkass: dude
[05:57] <punkass> yes
[05:57] <jdub> punkass: you've installed linux-restricted-... ?
[05:57] <m_tthew> punkass: it's in restriced here
[05:57] <punkass> yes i checked the restricted ones in the repository list
[05:58] <punkass> main restricted universe
[05:58] <punkass> main restricted
[05:58] <punkass> tho i am getting an error when it trys to get a package list
[05:59] <m_tthew> punkass: you have noth those lines uncommented in sources.list?
[05:59] <m_tthew> afaik you want the former and not the latter
[06:00] <punkass> Duplicate sources.list entry http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_main_binary-i386_Packages)
[06:00] <punkass> Duplicate sources.list entry http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_restricted_binary-i386_Packages)
[06:00] <m_tthew> I suspect you have both lines, duplicating main and restricted
[06:00] <punkass> oh but glx is comin up now
[06:01] <punkass> weird
[06:01] <punkass> i am just using what ever was in the sources.lst file
[06:04] <neighborlee> is there a faq for getting nvidia 3d drivers working here...
[06:06] <m_tthew> neighborlee: it's been discussed on the mailing list quite a bit, don't know if it's in the faq yet
[06:06] <neighborlee> k thx
[06:06] <m_tthew> afaik the long term plan is to make it easier to do, so perhaps faq entry is delayed until then
[06:07] <neighborlee> ic
[06:08] <gardion_> Who is the intended audience for ubuntu?
[06:09] <bolivar> linux users ; ) sorry couldnt help myself
[06:09] <neighborlee> heh
[06:10] <_1oo7> rock on for the 6mo release cycle, btw.
[06:10] <m_tthew> gardion_: reading the webpage makes me think people who use linux on the desktop and on servers
[06:10] <Hrdwr_BoB> gardion_, to begin with, I think mostly people who like debian but want something up to date and that is more Just Works
[06:11] <gardion_> bolvar: yes but so is redhat and debian linux
[06:11] <bolivar> what have you used so far?
[06:11] <gardion_> Actually mainly debian.
[06:11] <jdub> neighborlee: it should be pretty straight forward
[06:12] <jdub> neighborlee: install the linux-restricted-modules package for your kernel (apt-cache search linux restricted, and take your pick)
[06:12] <jdub> neighborlee: then install nvidia-glx
[06:12] <gardion_> Will ubunto have the kde desktop as well or is it choosing to use gnome.
[06:12] <jdub> neighborlee: then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[06:12] <jsubl2> a debian based distro with the very latest gnome attracked me.
[06:12] <matthewjs> does anyone know how to get suspend to disk to work?
[06:12] <jdub> gardion_: gnome by default, but kde is available in our unsupported 'universe' packages
[06:13] <bolivar> jdub: you have an apt server address for that?
[06:13] <gardion_> See this is what I'm curious about.  It seems that ubuntu and userlinix have made similar choices for desktops and similar support goals  why two distributions then?
[06:13] <jdub> bolivar: which?
[06:14] <bolivar> universe packages
[06:14] <jdub> gardion_: different goals in other ways
[06:14] <neighborlee> jdub, thx..it is just found ML post
[06:14] <jdub> bolivar: you add 'universe' to your deb lines in sources.list
[06:14] <neighborlee> jdub, heh yup..way ahead of ya
[06:14] <bolivar> gotcha
[06:14] <gardion_> such as?
[06:14] <neighborlee> jdub, heh afterall were talking opengl man!! lol
[06:14] <jdub> gardion_: six-month time-based releases, community structure, etc., etc.
[06:15] <neighborlee> jdub, this is my life yer talking practically ;-00
[06:15] <jdub> gardion_: it's a pretty different approach, even though they may look similar on the surface
[06:16] <schweeb> jdub: was the livecd removed?
[06:17] <gardion_> See I'd love to see debian used more be it debian or debian based linux versions but it seems a new distro is popping up every so often.
[06:17] <jdub> schweeb: delayed a little
[06:17] <schweeb> :-/
[06:17] <jdub> schweeb: you can download older versions here: http://people.no-name-yet.com/~mdz/ubuntu-live/
[06:17] <schweeb> excellent
[06:17] <jdub> gardion_: this is going to be full-on, seriously commercially supported, etc., etc.
[06:18] <bolivar> jdub: i assume the universe packages were rebuilt to work with ubuntu?  the webpage said the stock debian files are not recommended
[06:18] <Hrdwr_BoB> bolivar, correct
[06:18] <jdub> bolivar: yes, it's all ubuntu-built
[06:18] <schweeb> making a forum post on Ars with a list of the cool shit about ubuntu... need a livecd so they can at least get some semblance of what preview is like
[06:18] <bolivar> thank you both
[06:19] <jdub> schweeb: please note that it's an older version of the packages and desktop, not up to date with the preview release.
[06:19] <schweeb> yes
[06:19] <m_tthew> and contains bugs that have been fixed already
[06:19] <m_tthew> :)
[06:19] <neighborlee> k time to reboot to get 3d goin ..bbbbbbbRB <<
[06:19] <schweeb> I'll put a big, red, <blink></blink> disclaimer :P
[06:19] <jdub> heh
[06:20] <schweeb> I'd like to note how it's frigging sweet how fast you guys are on bugzilla responses
[06:20] <schweeb> mdz was all over like all 4 bugreports I added in like 10 mins
[06:20] <schweeb> heh
[06:21] <m_tthew> mdz tends to be all over things, I've noticed
[06:21] <whiprush> I want to know who made the decision to build firefox without Xprint, so I can hug him.
[06:21] <schweeb> whiprush: xprint was always sort of an addon
[06:21] <schweeb> but sid may have had it as a dep
[06:22] <whiprush> don't care, hate it. I won't miss it. heh.
[06:22] <tory> I can't wait until beagle is stable
[06:23] <gardion_> I hope this project goes well.   Is there a list of packages for this project?
[06:23] <m_tthew> gardion_: I think there is a .list next to the .iso images
[06:23] <m_tthew> but I don't think that reflects everything in main & restricted -- but I don't know for sure.
[06:24] <neighborlee> nvidia! lol
[06:26] <jdub> gardion_: see our seed lists in the wiki, and you can always check the archive :)
[06:26] <crimsun> bah, what is dookoo doing in here
[06:26] <schweeb> it'd be nice if nvidia would fix their kernel module to correctly export the sysfs hooks... really shouldn't have to manually load the driver w/ udev :-/
[06:26] <dukeku> crimsun: i use ubuntu on one box :(
[06:27] <crimsun> :)
[06:27] <tory> dukeku: -_-
[06:27] <dukeku> tory: loool
[06:27] <dukeku> crimsun: tory convinced me :/
[06:27] <crimsun> good good
[06:27] <tory> ubuntu is awesome :D
[06:27] <twisted_steel> any idea on the hardware support of a brand new thinkpad t42? :)
[06:28] <dukeku> i should put it on my ib0rk, see if it runs
[06:28] <jdub> twisted_steel: totally rad :)
[06:28] <daniels> should run absolutely fine on both
[06:28] <twisted_steel> jdub: I shall try it as soon as I get some free time
[06:28] <dukeku> \o/
[06:28] <jdub> twisted_steel: quite a few of the devel team have ibm laptops
[06:29] <twisted_steel> excellent to hear
[06:29] <jdub> twisted_steel: and one of our goals is 'totally rad' laptop support
[06:29] <jdub> back soon :)
[06:29] <twisted_steel> jdub: I have no problems with that at all
[06:29] <twisted_steel> :)
[06:30] <tory> the one thing that made me so happy was not having to tinker with crap like ALSA
[06:30] <dukeku> how's airport support on ppc?
[06:30] <dukeku> if it exists at all
[06:30] <whiprush> tory: oh god yes.
[06:31] <tory> airport works, airport express doesn't
[06:31] <dukeku> awesome i don't have that fancy crap
[06:31] <whiprush> sarge always loads my alsa and oss modules, so nothing works. ugh.
[06:31] <tory> whiprush: I posted in your ars thread (HELLO.JPG)
[06:31] <whiprush> tory: oh, heh.
[06:31] <jdub> whiprush: any cool ars stuff up about ubuntu yet?
[06:31] <whiprush> nope, for final
[06:32] <m_tthew> whiprush: I had that problem as well, for me it was discover vs. hotplug
[06:32] <whiprush> I'll do a full blown review
[06:35] <xxor_> the internet album lookup tool if rythmbox is on crack
[06:35] <xxor_> hehe
[06:35] <xxor_> I tried looking up the info for a doors cd I had .. it came up with womens studies and the gold reserve
[06:35] <neighborlee> lol
[06:35] <xxor_> my buddy was like
[06:36] <xxor_> wtf are you lookin at
[06:36] <tory> is there anywhere where I can file requests
[06:36] <tory> for crap like: make alt-tabbing prettier
[06:36] <xxor_> took me 10 minutes to figure out , where the pages had loaded from
[06:36] <schweeb> jdub: just the forum post we just did on ars
[06:36] <xxor_> ars ?
[06:36] <schweeb> jdub: btw, is there interest in forums for ubuntu?
[06:36] <schweeb> or is there talk of it
[06:37] <schweeb> xxor_: http://arstechnica.com
[06:37] <Hrdwr_BoB> there is talk of it
[06:37] <Hrdwr_BoB> need to decide on a platform
[06:37] <tory> I just hope they don't end up like the gentoo forums :P
[06:38] <tory> wutz ur cflagz?//??
[06:38] <tory> ----------------------------
[06:38] <tory> intl p4 2.4 @ 4Ghz w4t3rc00led / GeIl RaM - 2.5 GiGz / M$ Mouse
[06:38] <whiprush> heh
[06:39] <whiprush> you forgot the gcc3.4pre6cvs, love sources, ~86, GNOME 2.8.2
[06:39] <schweeb> *cough* funroll-loops.org
[06:39] <tory> schweeb: I love that
[06:40] <xxor_> bleh .. sun is fucking lame
[06:41] <xxor_> they sold out openoffice which they base thier source for staroffice .. to microsoft
[06:45] <matthewjs> does anyone have a centrino laptop with suspend to disk/ram working?
[06:46] <dukeku> tory: GEIL RAM
[06:46] <_1oo7> " ja, fick mir bitt
[06:46] <_1oo7> e
[06:46] <schweeb> I couldn't get suspend working on my Dell i8200 (P4m)
[06:47] <schweeb> HEIL UBUNTU
[06:47] <tory> dukeku: duud those flashing lights mean that your RAM is working
[06:47] <highvoltage> I have a IBM T41
[06:47] <Parisi> Sony Vaio here.
[06:47] <dukeku> wtf i just bought this cold cathode an hour ago and gkrellm isnt showing the temp
[06:47] <Parisi> and linux support sucks on it
[06:47] <highvoltage> I made lots of tweaks but I can't remember what I did to make it work
[06:47] <matthewjs> i have a sony vaio z1
[06:47] <matthewjs> everything works
[06:47] <highvoltage> I think it was an append "acpi=off apm=on" to the kernel
[06:48] <highvoltage> in grub.conf
[06:48] <matthewjs> cept for suspend
[06:48] <tory> my only complaint about ubuntu is the name :(
[06:48] <Parisi> Its only A PIII 800
[06:48] <tory> I'll probably get used to it though
[06:48] <schweeb> I used to have suspend to ram working on Sid
[06:48] <highvoltage> hehe
[06:48] <Parisi> matlads what would be everything?
[06:48] <dukeku> my only complaint?
[06:48] <sub_pop> is there a ubuntu install FAQ?
[06:48] <dukeku> that i don't have another monitor
[06:48] <highvoltage> Where do you live tory?
[06:48] <dukeku> :(
[06:48] <dukeku> to run it on :((
[06:48] <schweeb> before I did an install to ubunti :-/
[06:48] <Parisi> Brigthness, suspend, speed step?
[06:48] <dukeku> so right now my unbuntu box is sitting in my closet
[06:48] <tory> I'd rather have the name be "Canonical Linux"
[06:48] <highvoltage> speed step worked out of the box for me :)
[06:48] <dukeku> tory: what about ubuttu?
[06:48] <tory> hehe
[06:49] <Parisi> hmm, speed step acts up on me.
[06:49] <matthewjs> ya brightness and speed step
[06:49] <Parisi> brightness?
[06:49] <Parisi> How?
[06:49] <matthewjs> radeontool
[06:49] <Parisi> How do you adjust it?
[06:49] <matthewjs> sonypi
[06:49] <Parisi> meh ;p
[06:49] <Parisi> hmm...
[06:49] <highvoltage> The only thing I didn't like about the ubuntu name, is that it's way overused in South Africa
[06:49] <matthewjs> you can set it up so the function keys work
[06:49] <Parisi> Dedtials on how you managed to get it working?
[06:49] <Parisi> Yes!
[06:49] <highvoltage> It's basically lost its meaning
[06:49] <matthewjs> to adjust the brightness and sound
[06:49] <Parisi> fn keys would be sweet.
[06:50] <Parisi> matthewjs how did you manage it?
[06:50] <fabbione> morning guys
[06:51] <matthewjs> Parisi, http://graphics.cs.uni-sb.de/~rainer/linux-vaio.html
[06:52] <Parisi> you also running ubutu?
[06:52] <Parisi> is everything on that link?
[06:52] <sub_pop> or how about, what's ubuntu's default root password? i don't remember inputting it
[06:52] <plovs> anybody know where I can find mirrors of the apt-sources?
[06:53] <matthewjs> Parisi, im running ubuntu, its on that page or it links to a diff page
[06:53] <plovs> sub_pop, no root password, use sudo, works ok
[06:53] <matthewjs> sub_pop, sudo passwd root
[06:53] <Hrdwr_BoB> can we set that in the freaking topic
[06:53] <Hrdwr_BoB> biggest FAQ ever
[06:53] <matthewjs> ya thats the first thing i ran into,i was like wtf i never set a password for root
[06:53] <sub_pop> ohhhh
[06:54] <matthewjs> sudo would work for most ppl, but i need root im just so used to doing it that way
[06:54] <neighborlee> matthewjs, yeah I must admit doing sudo everytime is a bit of a pita <G>
[06:54] <plovs> matthewjs, sudo bash
[06:54] <plovs> and you're root :)
[06:55] <Hrdwr_BoB> sudo -s
[06:55] <matthewjs> plovs neato :0
[06:55] <Hrdwr_BoB> and you're root without being dodgy
[06:55] <neighborlee> Hrdwr_BoB, sweet thx
[06:55] <matthewjs> su; password works fine for me :0
[06:59] <plovs> any apt-sources for multimedia, flash and java, yet? for the rest all works great
[07:00] <_1oo7> doing sudo every time is a matter of getting into the habit
[07:01] <ish> a good habit
[07:03] <ish> can the gnome desktop be configured to be almost mouseless?
[07:05] <jamesh> ish: it should be.  Sun invested quite a lot in accessibility support
[07:05] <jamesh> ish: and part of that is making the desktop accessible to people who can't use a mouse
[07:06] <whiprush> alt-f1, and alt-f2 will take you a long way
[07:06] <ish> ahh, just found the configuration menu for that...
[07:06] <ish> figure I'd give gnome a shot before start fvwm.
[07:08] <jamesh> ish: you can find some information about the keybindings at http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gap/
[07:11] <ish> one other thing (not really ubunto specific).. Is there WEP support in the kernel - the WEP on my card is extremely slow.
[07:21] <fabbione> daniels: ping
[07:22] <daniels> fabbione: pong
[07:22] <sladen> sniff
[07:24] <fabbione> daniels: what's the status for ati and wacom drivers?
[07:24] <fabbione> daniels: we need to get them tested if we want them for final
[07:25] <fabbione> daniels: also.. i am reading on the wacom site that we need updates to the kernel modules? is that correct?
[07:26] <punkass> is there something like smb4k for gnome
[07:28] <jdub> punkass: what's that do?
[07:28] <daniels> fabbione: yeah
[07:28] <daniels> fabbione: yep
[07:28] <jdub> schweeb: yeah, we'd like forums
[07:28] <punkass> its an pretty slick way of mounting shares
[07:28] <jdub> schweeb: but ideally, they'd work with our mailing lists too
[07:28] <punkass> it finds all shares on the network
[07:28] <daniels> fabbione: wacom is done, ati is about 80% completed (found a couple of bugs along the way), and yeah, i'll do the kernel update stuff
[07:28] <jdub> schweeb: so if you know some software that does nntp backend forums...
[07:28] <punkass> then u can just select them and it mounts them to a directory of your choice
[07:28] <jdub> punkass: tried the network places smb browsing in nautilus?
[07:28] <daniels> fabbione: i'll do the ati testing in the same way as you did nvidia
[07:29] <punkass> yeah..it works good..
[07:29] <punkass> but
[07:29] <fabbione> daniels: there is no need of the kernel stuff
[07:29] <punkass> say in rhythm box i wanna import a folder from a share
[07:29] <fabbione> daniels: it's only for kernel older than 2.6.2
[07:29] <daniels> fabbione: hrm, ok
[07:29] <fabbione> daniels: please send me the patches and i will build a full ubuntu19 to put on people
[07:29] <punkass> when i get the dialog box there is no "network" menu item
[07:30] <punkass> so i get browse to them
[07:30] <fabbione> one week testing and upload to the archive
[07:30] <punkass> get = cant
[07:30] <punkass> you understand what i mean?
[07:30] <fabbione> daniels: the nv driver still has the Xv problem but it's much better than the one we have now
[07:30] <fabbione> daniels: at least it works on some machine where the old one wasn't at all
[07:31] <daniels> fabbione: didn't manage to solve the blitter thing?
[07:31] <whiprush> punkass: if it's mounted it shows up in the bookmark section of the file selector when you want to import music in rhythmbox.
[07:31] <jdub> punkass: try hitting ctrl-l in the rhythmbox file selector and typing in smb://...
[07:32] <daniels> fabbione: what are your ubuntu19 changes so far? mine are just wacom and ati (with a couple of changes to the upstream ati driver)
[07:32] <fabbione> daniels: not yet. I am working with Overfiend for it
[07:32] <daniels> fabbione: cool
[07:33] <fabbione> daniels: nv driver and a fix for a possible FTBFS
[07:33] <fabbione> but i did the integration of the driver as i did it in debian. so it is not just one patch
[07:33] <fabbione> daniels: it is spreaded over the different pathces
[07:33] <ish> after starting an xterm from a gnome menu, I get the spinning pointer for about 10 seconds..
[07:33] <ish> any idea why?
[07:33] <dieman> heh
[07:34] <Hrdwr_BoB> ish, is your computer really slow?
[07:34] <Hrdwr_BoB> :)
[07:34] <punkass> whiprush: well i can go to the shared music folder in nautilus no prob, but i can not see it in the file selector of rhythmbox
[07:35] <ish> Hrdwr_BoB: 1.2ghz.
[07:35] <whiprush> oh I see, are you browsing it or is it mounted?
[07:35] <punkass> no just browsing...thats why i was asking about smb4k
[07:36] <punkass> for easy mounting
[07:36] <whiprush> punkass: go to file->connect to server in nautilus, choose "windows share" as service type, type in your info.
[07:36] <jdub> ish: and xterm or a gnome terminal?
[07:36] <whiprush> that'll mount it
[07:36] <ish> xterm
[07:36] <ish> added my own menu option...
[07:36] <jdub> ish: aha
[07:36] <ish> it doesn't prevent me from doing anything.. just odd.
[07:36] <whiprush> punkass: then all your gnome apps will have a cool little shortcut to it in the file selector.
[07:36] <jdub> ish: you need to remove the notification option out of the .desktop file
[07:36] <punkass> ah slick ok
[07:37] <whiprush> punkass: the cool thing is, you can do that with ftp, ssh, etc. etc.
[07:37] <punkass> oh oh..the panel and nautilus just stop working..doh
[07:38] <punkass> sweet.
[07:38] <m_tthew> whiprush: heh, with ssh? that is novel
[07:39] <m_tthew> whiprush: rsync?
[07:39] <ish> jdub: Do gnome apps notify the caller when loading is done or something?
[07:40] <punkass> hmm any thoughts why i dont get a nautilus window when i click home in the menu..i can see another instance of it start up..same when i click 'show desktop'
[07:40] <jdub> ish: yeah
[07:40] <punkass> but 'show desktop' doesnt do anything either
[07:41] <whiprush> m_tthew: don't think so with rsync.
[07:41] <whiprush> m_tthew: yeah, so like, you can open up one that is connected to ftp, one that is ssh, and drag and drop between them.
[07:41] <whiprush> it's one of my favorite things to show off to people who don't know alot about linux.
[07:43] <m_tthew> whiprush: I just did, that is very nice
[07:43] <m_tthew> whiprush: I hadn't used gnome until saturday :)
[07:43] <whiprush> oh, heh. welcome!
[07:43] <ficusplanet> Hey everyone.  I switched to Ubuntu last night, and I'm quite certain that in some situations, the fonts look worse than they did in Fedora.  Especially in The GIMP and epiphany/firefox.
[07:43] <ficusplanet> What could cause that?
[07:43] <m_tthew> this stuff makes me feel like a crusty old man emerging from a dark cave someplace on a mountain
[07:45] <whiprush> m_tthew: what did you use before?
[07:45] <m_tthew> blackbox and screen, mostly
[07:46] <punkass> whiprush: thanks for that...works like a charm..
[07:46] <whiprush> woo
[07:46] <punkass> that is really cool
[07:47] <jdub> :-)
[07:47] <punkass> hehe
[07:47] <punkass> did they have that in 2.6?
[07:47] <whiprush> the ftp one is clutch too, because IE's support is so horrid that in a demo people just laugh.
[07:47] <ish> any chance of getting hosed by pulling packets out of universe?
[07:48] <subterrific> wow
[07:49] <jsc> :)
[07:49] <punkass> omg i have an ssh bookmark of my work server...
[07:49] <punkass> that is sooo cool
[07:49] <whiprush> you can mount specific directories too
[07:49] <whiprush> like "web stuff" "home folder", etc. etc.
[07:49] <m_tthew> yeah I mounted my web space
[07:49] <punkass> lol..i am impressed
[07:49] <punkass> but ssh.. :)
[07:49] <punkass> cool.
[07:50] <npmccallum> mdz: all those cups bugs should be closeable, pending freeze break approval; patches are available in the bug reports
[07:51] <npmccallum> I'm headed to bed, night all!
[07:51] <ficusplanet> OK, now that I'm playing with it, it's really only the bold fonts that look bad.  What would cause that?
[07:52] <subterrific> punkass: how are you doing that?
[07:52] <subterrific> nautilus?
[07:52] <punkass> yeah
[07:52] <punkass> File > Connect to Server
[07:52] <subterrific> oh nice, i didn't know it supported that
[07:52] <subterrific> i knew Konquerer did that
[07:52] <punkass> konq does ssh too?
[07:52] <subterrific> yeah, sftp
[07:53] <whiprush> yeah, fish://hostname
[07:53] <subterrific> they call it something weird
[07:53] <subterrific> yeah fish
[07:53] <ficusplanet> subterrific: The "Connect to Server..." feature is awesome.  It is my FTP client, my laptop/desktop connection, filesharing network between friends.
[07:53] <punkass> cool..didnt know that
[07:53] <ficusplanet> It rocks.
[07:53] <punkass> it sure does.
[07:53] <subterrific> so i installed ubuntu today at work because my fedora core 1 machine died in an upgrade to core 2
[07:53] <subterrific> and i'm really impressed
[07:53] <_1oo7> remove the notification option out of the .desktop file <--- i looked in ~ and ~/Desktop, but where is the .desktop file?
[07:54] <subterrific> this is the closest a linux distro has come to being something i'd tell my mom to install
[07:54] <whiprush> a nice gui package manager and things will rule.
[07:54] <punkass> ok here is a silly question tho, other than the file dialog boxes how do i view the bookmarks
[07:54] <ficusplanet> whiprush: What's wrong with Synaptic?
[07:54] <_1oo7> .gconf/desktop ?
[07:55] <jsc> synaptic
[07:55] <punkass> you dont like synaptic?
[07:55] <jsc> in the computer menu
[07:55] <whiprush> ficusplanet: dunno, kinda not gnomey enough for me
[07:55] <subterrific> synaptic seems fine to me
[07:55] <ficusplanet> I like the recent improvements.  I agree that Red Carpet is nicer, though.
[07:56] <whiprush> I like how in rc the search is find as you type, and it's a search box right on the main UI
[07:56] <subterrific> oh that does sound nice
[07:56] <m_tthew> -jeffm rad
[07:56] <subterrific> i didn't really like how synaptic did searches
[07:56] <ficusplanet> And I like the channels stuff instead of repos, and the way it queues up the packages along the left.
[07:56] <jdub> ficusplanet: we will have a cooler add/remove app in Hoary
[07:56] <whiprush> yeah
[07:57] <subterrific> a search for a package isn't really something i think of as needing to be persistent
[07:57] <ficusplanet> jdub: Really That is great to here.
[07:57] <ficusplanet> *hear
[07:57] <jdub> and update notifier and stuff
[07:57] <whiprush> woo
[07:57] <jdub> heh, yeah
[07:57] <whiprush> I tried apt-watch with synaptic in sid for a while.
[07:57] <whiprush> it wasn't very polished.
[07:58] <ficusplanet> jdub: That sounds awesome.  I keep getting more and more reasons to like Ubuntu.  Are you guys looking into NetworkManager and netapplet?  I had a really tough time getting wireless working today.
[07:58] <punkass> so is red carpet novells..and open carpet the opensource version of it?
[07:58] <whiprush> the commercial one is part of zenworks now iirc.
[07:58] <jdub> ficusplanet: see HoaryHedgehog on the wiki :)
[07:58] <jdub> ficusplanet: we are very interested in NetworkManager
[07:58] <ficusplanet> jdub: Cool.  Thanks.
[07:59] <punkass> my boss wants a linux distro put on his laptop (Dell D600) I will put this distro on if its good for laptops.
[08:00] <whiprush> the d600 is very linux friendly, you should have no problem
[08:00] <punkass> cool thanks
[08:00] <whiprush> a friend of mine has ubuntu on it already
[08:00] <whiprush> the ati card is hw accelerated out of the box and everything
[08:00] <ficusplanet> jdub: Would you guys be interested in building a more robust community site?  Or are you wanting to direct support and discussion to the general GNOME community?  I've been considering working on a community site for a while - focusing on support, general info articles, package help, etc.
[08:00] <punkass> ok here is a silly question tho, other than the file dialog boxes how do i view the bookmarks
[08:00] <jdub> ficusplanet: we're in the process ;)
[08:01] <jdub> ficusplanet: definitely want forums and stuff
[08:01] <punkass> yeah some forums would be nice
[08:01] <jdub> ficusplanet: but we're looking for some forum software that will work with our mailing lists
[08:01] <jdub> ficusplanet: so if you konw anything that has an nntp backend...
[08:01] <whiprush> I've seen one before
[08:01] <whiprush> can't remember where.
[08:01] <whiprush> web front end to a mailing list, so it's transparent to users.
[08:02] <jdub> 'cos then we can turn on mailman's nntp stuff
[08:02] <ficusplanet> jdub: I'll look around a bit.  I'd love to help out.
[08:02] <jdub> ficusplanet: awesome, thanks!
[08:02] <pitti> Morning
[08:02] <ish> Is there thought put into the default Gnome key short-cuts?
[08:02] <ish> Or just more or less arbitrarily chosen.
[08:03] <ficusplanet> jdub: I've been wanting to contribute to something like this for a while, but haven't seen a good opportunity.
[08:03] <whiprush> jdub: btw I tested ubuntu with freenx today, works fine.
[08:03] <jdub> whiprush: we want to get NX in for Hoary too
[08:03] <jdub> whiprush: want to mail some info to -devel about what you've done?
[08:04] <whiprush> for freenx?
[08:04] <punkass> is freenx are replacement for vnc?
[08:04] <punkass> are = a
[08:04] <subterrific> jdub: you guys have done a fantastic job. congrats
[08:04] <whiprush> it can be yes.
[08:05] <jdub> subterrific: thanks! :-)
[08:05] <jdub> whiprush: yeha!
[08:05] <sladen> whiprush: yes and no.  Some of the recent patches allow reattaching in the same way as VNC
[08:05] <punkass> whiprush: am i able to view those bookmarks i made other than in a file dialog box?
[08:05] <whiprush> okey
[08:05] <subterrific> jdub: dunno if it means anything to you, but i've been a mac user since 87 and this is the first linux distro i feel can be compared to Mac OS in terms of easy of use and polish
[08:05] <jdub> whiprush: so dude
[08:05] <jdub> whiprush: at guadec in norway
[08:05] <jdub> whiprush: HP sent a bunch of thin clients with NX support
[08:05] <whiprush> punkass: in your "network" icon in the menu
[08:05] <ish> Yeah.. Feels good so far..  Installed over my mandrake..
[08:06] <jdub> whiprush: and a four way HT xeon server with 16GB ram
[08:06] <jdub> whiprush: it was *incredible*
[08:06] <whiprush> sladen: like screen for X, that rules.
[08:06] <punkass> oh haha doh... thanks
[08:06] <whiprush> jdub: heh.
[08:06] <whiprush> I use nx on my laptop so I can use my desktop over wifi. You can't even tell it's remote.
[08:07] <punkass> jdub: 16Gigs o ram..thats crazy.  I just set up some thinclient at work using ltsp but my server is only a 2ghz with 1g o ram
[08:07] <jdub> oh, it was using gige network too
[08:07] <jdub> you could watch videos reasonably well
[08:07] <subterrific> wow
[08:07] <whiprush> the ltsp guy is local to me, he says he already has a guy working on it.
[08:07] <subterrific> i need to try nx
[08:08] <whiprush> to put nx in ltsp I mean
[08:08] <punkass> yeah..i overheard them talkin about it in irc
[08:08] <punkass> well i guess i didnt over"hear" them :)
[08:08] <whiprush> hey alextreme
[08:08] <alextreme> morning
[08:09] <jdub> Kamion: heard of any more usb cd install probs, specifically finding the cd device?
[08:09] <whiprush> heh, still can't believe how polished this first release is.
[08:09] <subterrific> me either
[08:10] <whiprush> "Whoops, we smoked every distro on our first preview release."
[08:10] <punkass> what do you guys use for a text editor..coding etc.. i use Editplus on windows at work...
[08:10] <jdub> hey alextreme
[08:10] <punkass> yeah i have to give this distro 4 thumbs up
[08:10] <jdub> punkass: a lot of people who like editplus like gedit
[08:10] <subterrific> i couldn't believe it when i opened an excel document and printed it to our office printer 15 minutes after the first boot
[08:11] <punkass> oh yeah?
[08:11] <punkass> hmm ill take a look
[08:11] <alextreme> jdub: gday, how're things down under tonight? :)
[08:11] <subterrific> printing is something that has never worked right for me
[08:11] <subterrific> its the ultimate pita
[08:11] <jdub> subterrific: heh
[08:11] <subterrific> and it just worked
[08:11] <jdub> i only recently got a printer
[08:11] <jdub> pretty rad
[08:12] <subterrific> tomorrow is gonna be the real test though
[08:12] <whiprush> to me the power management and other laptop support is the biggest ++ so far for me.
[08:12] <whiprush> I mean, the battery applet, the cpufreq applet
[08:13] <jdub> whiprush: we smoked 'em? nice ;)
[08:13] <whiprush> god, that used to take so frigging long to get right by hand
[08:13] <punkass> am i able to put icons on the desktop like the trash bin?
[08:13] <subterrific> if i can get my dev environment setup, then i won't shut up about how awesome ubuntu is until people start hitting me with staplers at the office
[08:13] <jdub> alextreme: very afternoony ;)
[08:13] <punkass> lol
[08:13] <Hrdwr_BoB> jdub, I wanted a printer, and then I (no shit) found one that fell off the back of a truck
[08:13] <jdub> punkass: if you go into 'configuration editor' under applications > system tools
[08:13] <jdub> punkass: navigate to /apps/nautilus/desktop
[08:13] <jdub> punkass: you can turn them on again
[08:13] <Hrdwr_BoB> unfortuantely it was a lexmark, so is technically worth less than nothing
[08:13] <jdub> punkass: but try for a while without them :)
[08:14] <jdub> Hrdwr_BoB: i have a rad networked lexmark :)
[08:14] <punkass> ok ill give it a go..
[08:14] <whiprush> lol, vrms is in universe.
[08:14] <punkass> ;) i am used to a messy icon explosion of a desktop
[08:14] <Hrdwr_BoB> jdub, I have  terrible heap of shit winprinter :)
[08:14] <punkass> i have a "we are canon and we hate linux" printer
[08:15] <punkass> tho i did find some drivers for it hidden on a japanese site
[08:15] <whiprush> hmmm, ipod isn't automounting
[08:15] <sladen> whiprush: firewire or USB?
[08:16] <whiprush> neither works
[08:16] <Hrdwr_BoB> if I get excited I will buy a networked postscript printer off ebay
[08:16] <ultrafunk> has anyone successfully installed the preview ISO from a USB CDR (specifically, a LiteOn drive)?
[08:17] <subterrific> jdub: know of anyone installing oracle on ubuntu?
[08:17] <subterrific> i don't actually have to run oracle, just have the client libraries installed
[08:17] <jdub> subterrific: not so far
[08:19] <whiprush> got skype running in ubuntu also.
[08:20] <subterrific> oh, i had one issue. in the time and date settings config, i wanted to turn on ntp
[08:20] <Mithrandir> isn't it on by default?
[08:20] <jdub> Mithrandir: no, only ntpdate
[08:20] <subterrific> but it gives me an error saying the system isn't setup for ntp or something, and it isn't very clear how i'd go about doing that
[08:20] <Mithrandir> jdub: ook
[08:20] <jdub> subterrific: apt-get install ntp-simple
[08:21] <jdub> subterrific: we have a 'no listening services' policy by default
[08:21] <jdub> subterrific: unfortunately, ntp has to
[08:21] <subterrific> k, that might be something good to add to the help or something
[08:21] <subterrific> yeah, ntp is poorly designed
[08:21] <jdub> hopefully in the future, it can give you the option to install it or something
[08:22] <subterrific> or maybe it could be installed but not running, and give you the option to run it
[08:22] <punkass> hmmm my canon printer drivers arnt showing up
[08:23] <punkass> even tho when i browse for ppd can select them it says they are already installed
[08:23] <subterrific> or maybe just having that option use ntpdate instead.
[08:23] <whiprush> wow, response from my friends and people I know about ubuntu has been awesome.
[08:23] <whiprush> I think 6 of us just cold dropped sid today alone.
[08:24] <_1oo7> no listening service by default policy is something i can dig, just as long as i realize that's the policy <G>
[08:25] <ish> Is it expected that the ubuntu (like the name btw) dev. branch will be as stable as debian-unstable
[08:26] <jdub> ish: probably more stable
[08:26] <jdub> ish: but it will include development versions of gnome
[08:27] <jdub> ish: but those are designed for dogfooding anyway :)
[08:27] <ish> I'm giving gnome a few days.. Will probably go back to fvwm tho...
[08:27] <jdub> oldskool ;)
[08:27] <ish> Did Debian-unstable for years...
[08:27] <bl> ha!
[08:27] <jdub> hey reformed
[08:27] <reformed> hey hey
[08:28] <jdub> reformed: got time for a call?
[08:28] <reformed> for sure
[08:28] <jdub> ping me a landline # :)
[08:28] <reformed> I don't know what it is...
[08:28] <whiprush> any plans for a FF skin for ubuntu? or keeping upstream?
[08:28] <jdub> ff?
[08:29] <khalek> jdub: can't use http://www.openntpd.org instead? Some debian people were making noises about packaging it
[08:29] <whiprush> firefox
[08:29] <jdub> oh
[08:29] <reformed> I'm heading to the Andrea Bocelli gig later tonight, ya me.
[08:29] <jdub> actually, no plans
[08:29] <jdub> but there's a theme that uses the gnome stock icons
[08:29] <jdub> which we could probably fold in
[08:29] <jdub> so it will use ours
[08:31] <punkass> hmmm.. i want my canon drivers
[08:31] <whiprush> bed time for me gents, nite nite.
[08:32] <punkass> i remember this happening with gnome before..i had to use the kde print wizard thing to see them
[08:32] <plovs> are usb-keys supposed to be automatic? if so then it doesn't work, if not then all is ok :)
[08:32] <punkass> nite whiprush..thanks for your help
[08:32] <subterrific> plovs: i think they should be
[08:32] <subterrific> check dmesg maybe?
[08:33] <subterrific> actually i seem to remember something about 2.6.8 series having usb storage problems, but that could have been gentoo specific
[08:34] <subterrific> nice, http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=ntpd.conf&sektion=5&arch=&apropos=0&manpath=OpenBSD+Current
[08:34] <subterrific> "ntpd(8) does not
[08:34] <subterrific>              listen on any address by default"
[08:36] <ficusplanet> What exactly would "usplash with D-BUS notification" be?
[08:36] <mdz> ficusplanet: very slick graphical boot process
[08:36] <ficusplanet> Oh, awesome.
[08:36] <plovs> subterrific, dmesg shows it ok, I *could* just add it myself to fstab, but that's the whole point off automagic
[08:36] <mdz> jdub: is there any way to get the _full_ subscription list through the mailman web interface?
[08:37] <jdub> mdz: not without paging
[08:37] <jdub> mdz: do you want a list?
[08:37] <mdz> that blows
[08:37] <mdz> jdub: yeah, for ubuntu-devel
[08:37] <jdub> ok
[08:37] <mdz> want to check that folks are subscribed before I start doing work there
[08:37] <subterrific> plovs: yeah it should definitely auto mount
[08:37] <subterrific> thats the point of gnome-volume-manager
[08:38] <subterrific> see if it shows up in HAL
[08:38] <plovs> subterrific, how do I do that
[08:38] <subterrific> its in the system config menu, hardware devices or something
[08:39] <plovs> ok
[08:39] <subterrific> i'm not in front of a ubuntu system, and i only used it for about an hour ;)
[08:39] <ficusplanet> Wow, with all the stuff you guys have planned, I can't wait for March 14th.
[08:39] <LoneTechU> well, so far so good. ubuntu actually installed, though it set up sudo rather than a root password, and gave the X server an impossible config.
[08:40] <ficusplanet> LoneTechU: sudo is deliberate and good.
[08:40] <Hrdwr_BoB> LoneTechU, sudo setup is NOTABUG
[08:40] <plovs> subterrific, yes my usb-key shows up in the device manager
[08:40] <LoneTechU> ficus: yes, I agree.
[08:41] <subterrific> plovs: so i'm guessing that somehow the message got lost from hal->dbus->gnome-volume-manager
[08:41] <LoneTechU> just surprising, but a Good Thing - means less new users running as root from habit.
[08:41] <subterrific> not sure what log file you'd check for a related error
[08:42] <ish> is it possible to get gnome-terminal to use the standard X 7x14 font?
[08:43] <LoneTechU> more significant, perhaps, is that APM support has not been set up. if laptop-detect works the way I think, that also failed.
[08:43] <subterrific> ish: does it show up in the font dialog?
[08:43] <plovs> subterrific, I'll dig around se what I can find
[08:43] <justin_linuxppc> hi all, has anyone got a ppp/dial-up connection working? if so how?
[08:44] <ish> subterrific: maybe.. don't know its full name tho.. flipping thru the fonts tho.
[08:44] <ish> LoneTechU: APM isn't enabled on my laptop install either.
[08:44] <LoneTechU> nor mentioned in laptop-detect
[08:45] <LoneTechU> it should probably try to load the apm module if acpi fails.
[08:45] <ficusplanet> justin_linuxppc: You've tried the network configuration tool, right?
[08:46] <_1oo7> " maybe an afterboot(8) style manpage, or a little heads up in the first time you login as the user you created in the install... like "hello.  since you made this user during the install, it is configured in /etc/sudoers.  to set the root password 'sudo passwd'" or something similar
[08:46] <justin_linuxppc> ficus: yep
[08:46] <_1oo7> it might be asked incessantly unless it yells at ppl initially
[08:47] <ficusplanet> Did it not detect the modem?
[08:47] <LoneTechU> why does the X config load both freetype and xtt?
[08:47] <plovs> subterrific, fstab-update.sh is not adding my usb-key to fstab
[08:47] <justin_linuxppc> ficus: the config tool is a front for wvdial and wvdials not availabel for ubuntu so the config tool not to useful for ppp
[08:48] <justin_linuxppc> ficus: so no it didnt detect it
[08:48] <subterrific> plovs: sorry can't help much without having ubuntu installed
[08:48] <jdub> hmmm
[08:48] <ficusplanet> wvdial shows up when I search in synaptic.  enable the universe repos and it should show up.
[08:49] <jdub> think we need to work on the firefox defaults a bit
[08:49] <jdub> yucky fonts and so on
[08:49] <plovs> subterrific, bad boy! :) you should give it a try quite a nice distro
[08:49] <ficusplanet> jdub: Yeah, that's been bugging me.
[08:49] <subterrific> plovs: i did, i installed it at work
[08:49] <ficusplanet> It's the same in epiphany.
[08:49] <subterrific> plovs: i use gentoo at home though
[08:50] <subterrific> jdub: yeah, i was surprised you guys didn't have freetype rendering turned on in firefox by default
[08:50] <jdub> ficusplanet: yeah
[08:50] <scapegoat> hey, how do i install divx/xvid codecs into ubuntu?
[08:50] <plovs> subterrific, ok, you're forgiven, now I go back to my usb-key
[08:50] <justin_linuxppc> ficus: will give that a go; thanks
[08:50] <LoneTechU> scapegoat: you probably want to stick to ffmpeg, which I believe would be included in vlc and xine.
[08:50] <ficusplanet> scapegoat: I installed totem-xine from universe.  With that, you can also drop propietary plugins in.
[08:50] <scapegoat> alrighty
[08:51] <jdub> ficusplanet: do you think size 14 is a good default, for proportional fonts?
[08:51] <jdub> hrm, i have 12 on my laptop
[08:51] <Hrdwr_BoB> jdub, 14C is good
[08:51] <ficusplanet> I think 14 is good.
[08:51] <scapegoat> LoneTechU, cant find the ffmpeg. i did the totem apt-get and it just wont play any divx/xvid :/
[08:51] <subterrific> does ubuntu have an ffmpeg package?
[08:51] <subterrific> i didn't see one
[08:52] <ficusplanet> scapegoat: You need to use totem-xine, instead of the gstreamer backend.
[08:52] <LoneTechU> it is normally built statically.. the players just use libavcodec from within ffmpeg
[08:52] <ficusplanet> At least that helped me.
[08:52] <subterrific> i need it though, i use ffmpeg in an app at work for audio decoding. i was going to use the lack of ffmpeg on ubuntu as an excuse to try gstreamer though
[08:52] <scapegoat> ficusplanet, and how would i go about changing that?
[08:52] <ficusplanet> Enable the universe repos in synaptic, search for totem.  Install totem-xine.
[08:53] <scapegoat> i don't see a 'universe repos' in synaptics
[08:54] <Mithrandir> scapegoat: add it to the end of the line with "warty" in it in /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:54] <ficusplanet> Or just go to preferences>>Repositories and check the repos that have the word universe under sections.
[08:54] <scapegoat> all the lines have warty in it
[08:55] <Mithrandir> ficusplanet: ok, I don't use synaptic. :)
[08:55] <scapegoat> alright ficus
[08:55] <ficusplanet> After you've selected them, click refresh, then search.
[08:58] <scapegoat> that you ficusplanet, i never knew ficus would be so useful :)
[08:58] <ficusplanet> Glad I could help.
[08:59] <LoneTech> okay, I suppose maybe the freetype module does not work and that might explain the ugly fonts.. but who chose white on bright orange?
[09:00] <LoneTech> or for that matter, bright orange on bright orange, as the gnome startup progress messages were.
[09:03] <mdz> jdub: can you send me that subscription list?
[09:03] <jdub> mdz: i did
[09:03] <jdub> mdz: mailed it from rince
[09:03] <mdz> jdub: never arrived
[09:03] <mdz> though many other things did in the interim
[09:04] <mdz> jdub: subject: ?
[09:04] <jdub> ubuntu-devel members
[09:04] <mdz> mizar:[~]  grep -i 'subject.*members' ~/mail/procmail.log
[09:04] <mdz> zsh: exit 1     grep -i 'subject.*members' ~/mail/procmail.log
[09:05] <mdz> dude, it never got here
[09:05] <jdub> i've sent it to myself
[09:05] <jdub> will forward or resolve the problem
[09:05] <mdz> forward me that copy :-)
[09:05] <mdz> thanks
[09:05] <jdub> you will get it soon, etc.
[09:05] <punkass> stupid canon drivers
[09:05] <jdub> right, in and sent
[09:06] <punkass> for some reason kde print wizard can see them...but the gnome one cant
[09:09] <mdz> jdub: arrived
[09:12] <roofy> hey guys
[09:14] <roofy> anyone in here?
[09:14] <LoneTechU> yes
[09:14] <roofy> cool
[09:15] <roofy> im downloading unbuntu as we speak, im eager to try this out
[09:15] <roofy> though im not clear what the selling point is, it just seems like "yet another linux distro"
[09:15] <roofy> is just easy debian?
[09:16] <Tomcat_> Easier.
[09:16] <LoneTechU> it is debian, basically, but more for the common user.
[09:16] <roofy> i see
[09:16] <roofy> yea debian is probably the only distro i havent tried ever....
[09:16] <punkass> its pretty slick
[09:16] <roofy> i can even install frickin aix
[09:16] <Tomcat_> I call Ubuntu a "it just works" distro.
[09:16] <Tomcat_> But still gives you lots of opportunities.
[09:16] <roofy> but i could never get debian installed
[09:17] <Tomcat_> Why not?
[09:17] <roofy> i see, what does unbuntu have over, suse or fedora?
[09:17] <Tomcat_> Ubuntu is a community-based distro, unlike SuSE or Fedora.
[09:17] <punkass> its debian based :)
[09:17] <ficusplanet> Better GNOME.
[09:17] <Tomcat_> Apart from that... it is debian based.
[09:17] <ultrafunk> roofy: it's smaller, for one :)
[09:17] <roofy> fedora is a community based project...
[09:18] <roofy> that i like :)
[09:18] <Tomcat_> Oh... didn't know that.
[09:19] <ficusplanet> Fedora messes up GNOME in many ways, though.  Absolutely no way to enable menu editing in FC2.  Dumb panel layout by default.  Configuration tools that aren't community supported and not HIGified.
[09:19] <Tomcat_> Well, the point "debian based" beats everything else anyway. :)
[09:19] <roofy> ficusplanet: that i agree with
[09:19] <roofy> but still what if i prefer kde?
[09:19] <LoneTechU> not encouraging abuse of root is a nice touch.
[09:19] <ish> I'm kinda hoping ubuntu is free of some of the politic issues that bug down debian (or have bogged it down in the past)
[09:19] <ficusplanet> roofy: Don't use ubuntu if you like KDE.
[09:20] <roofy> why not?
[09:20] <Tomcat_> I like KDE...
[09:20] <Tomcat_> I still use Ubuntu.
[09:20] <Tomcat_> I'd rather say: "Don't use Ubuntu if you dislike Gnome" :)
[09:20] <roofy> dont get me wrong, i love gnome, but then again i used fedora-ish gnome
[09:20] <roofy> gnome is just FAST
[09:20] <jdub> if you want a distro that includes KDE, you won't too interested in Ubuntu *just yet*
[09:20] <roofy> but there are some things i dont like about it
[09:21] <LoneTechU> I beg to differ, but I suppose it may seem fast compared to windows or kde
[09:21] <roofy> such as gtk
[09:21] <subterrific> fedora is yuck
[09:21] <ficusplanet> What do you dislike about GTK?
[09:21] <roofy> i prefer qt over gtk anyday
[09:21] <roofy> its really hard to skin
[09:21] <roofy> and i cant stand the save/open dialogs
[09:21] <roofy> the kde/qt ones are much more intuitive
[09:22] <LoneTechU> erm, no. familiar is the word.
[09:22] <ficusplanet> I love the GTK 2.4 filechooser.
[09:22] <LoneTechU> the only intuitive user interface is the nipple.
[09:22] <roofy> w.e it is i cant stand it
[09:22] <roofy> its too simple
[09:22] <_1oo7> keyboard's pretty easy to figure out too
[09:24] <roofy> does debian/unbuntu use kudzu or a kudzu like system?
[09:24] <LoneTechU> I think discover and hotplug and hal take those jobs, basically?
[09:24] <jdub> roofy: hotplug
[09:25] <roofy> i see
[09:25] <jdub> roofy: no kudzu or discover (though discover is used briefly in the installer)
[09:25] <LoneTechU> btw, nice touch with ifrename.
[09:25] <roofy> im just curious whether it works as good or better than kudzu
[09:25] <jdub> roofy: as good, if not better.
[09:25] <roofy> i used hotplug briefly when i was with gentoo
[09:26] <roofy> does it use its own apt repo, or are the debian apt ones compatible?
[09:26] <ficusplanet> jdub: How are the X settings configured from the start.  Setting up Ubuntu on my friend's laptop today, I could only get 640x480 until I manually edited the refresh rates to match his SXGA screen.
[09:27] <jdub> roofy: it's own; see the FAQ on wiki.ubuntu.com
[09:27] <roofy> eesh
[09:27] <jdub> ficusplanet: did you install from the preview cd?
[09:27] <ficusplanet> Yeah.
[09:27] <jdub> ficusplanet: that might have been an annoying bug we fixed after the cd was done
[09:27] <jdub> ficusplanet: try upgrading and running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[09:27] <subterrific> roofy: gtk is much easier to skin than kde. just look at the number of gtk/metacity skins compared to kde 3 skins
[09:28] <ficusplanet> jdub: Sounds good.  I'll test again with the final.  Otherwise, he was very happy with the switch from Fedora.
[09:28] <LoneTechU> I would guess it tries to use EDID (DDC) data, which is often missing on laptops.
[09:28] <_1oo7> i had success with the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 for the same reasons ( wondering how things were configured )
[09:28] <jdub> LoneTechU: but we do rad things to make laptop display detectino work too :)
[09:28] <subterrific> skinning kde requires writing c++ code, which is insane
[09:28] <LoneTechU> jdub: unfortunately not including detecting APM.
[09:29] <jdub> LoneTechU: apm is not a display ;)
[09:29] <LoneTechU> this machine is rather exotic..
[09:29] <roofy> subterrific: all i know is that i can make kde looks sexier than gnome, any day of the week
[09:29] <LoneTechU> no, just a vital laptop feature.
[09:29] <jdub> LoneTechU: we have not ceoncentrated very hard on apm; it should work, but we've done more work on acpi
[09:29] <ish> is sexy useful?
[09:29] <subterrific> roofy: i doubt it
[09:29] <roofy> to me it is
[09:29] <mdz> jdub: hmm, the email from rince arrived now
[09:29] <LoneTechU> it left this laptop with an X config attempting a depth unsupported by the video chip and ignoring the pointing device completely
[09:29] <subterrific> plastik is the only decent kde skin
[09:30] <jdub> let's not do the kde vs. gnome thing guys :)
[09:30] <roofy> thats what i use
[09:30] <roofy> i think they are both great
[09:30] <LoneTechU> jdub: it does work, when loaded. the installer does not try
[09:30] <roofy> each have thier own features
[09:30] <jdub> LoneTechU: or, did not fall back correctly on your machine :)
[09:30] <subterrific> roofy: have you tried gnome lately? there are about 20 skins just a good if not better than plastik
[09:30] <jdub> LoneTechU: bug reports on that would be really good
[09:31] <jdub> subterrific: dude, let's not do the gnome/kde thing :)
[09:31] <subterrific> jdub: its friendly, i use both
[09:31] <ish> In the gnome startup sequence.. Does something start for pretty fonts?
[09:31] <subterrific> hehe
[09:31] <LoneTechU> this machine is rather exotic
[09:31] <ish> gnome apps running under fvwm don't look so hot.
[09:31] <jdub> ish: you need to run gnome-settings-daemon
[09:31] <roofy> * under fvwm dont look so hot
[09:32] <ficusplanet> ha
[09:32] <ish> jdub: awesome.. thanks.
[09:33] <LoneTechU> where is it supposed to fall back to apm? it is a module, so must be loaded
[09:35] <Tomcat_> Short question, since I'm on Windows right now... is there an easy way to change the hardware clock behavior in Ubuntu?
[09:35] <roofy> anyone run ubuntu on vmware?
[09:35] <Tomcat_> Like... NOT in /etc/default/rcS?
[09:35] <_1oo7> i could test on bochs if anyone cares
[09:35] <punkass> if i make a bunch of symlinks in usr/lib is there a command i have to run to register them
[09:36] <roofy> ldconfig
[09:36] <_1oo7> but i would think that is more bochs testing than ubuntu testing,... so..
[09:36] <punkass> thanks
[09:36] <jdub> _1oo7: it works well under qemu, but slowly ;)
[09:37] <Tomcat_> Nobody in Ubuntu who has a few seconds of time?
[09:37] <punkass> man these canon drivers are evil
[09:37] <LoneTechU> tomcat: I can look around
[09:38] <_1oo7> jdub ; i was very excited to try bochs on a new PC i bought for the pipe dream of running windows on it and thus being able to rip win98 off my wife's laptop; but i lost my thunder after seeing how !quick bochs ran.  qemu is quicker, but is focused on emulating a linux, rather than a 386, right?
[09:38] <Tomcat_> LoneTechU: Just check the settings menus if there's a way to set the clock, and if there is, if you can set the hardware clock to UTC or local time zone.
[09:38] <subterrific> jdub: qemu emulating x86 on x86 machine?
[09:38] <_1oo7> ( bochs being the win98 replacement running overtop of !windows, that is )
[09:38] <roofy> _1oo7: quick win4lin vs bochs
[09:38] <jdub> Tomcat_: no, there isn't
[09:38] <jdub> subterrific: yeah
[09:38] <Tomcat_> Okay, thanks.
[09:38] <punkass> there is a check box that says "Use UTC"
[09:38] <jdub> subterrific: not sure if anyone's done x86 ubuntu on ppc ;)
[09:38] <_1oo7> roofy : ?, meaning win4lin is faster than bochs?
[09:39] <roofy> _1oo7: whats better for emulating windows on top of linux, win4lin or bochs
[09:39] <_1oo7> oh, i dunno
[09:39] <_1oo7> never have run win4lin
[09:39] <LoneTechU> tomcat_: the date and time dialogue offers network sync and time zone settings, but does not mention if the hardware runs local time
[09:39] <roofy> oh
[09:39] <roofy> anyone use yoper?
[09:39] <LoneTechU> UTC=yes in default/rcS
[09:40] <subterrific> i'd guess that anything is faster than bochs
[09:40] <Tomcat_> LoneTechU: Yeah that's my point... I'm dual-booting, and Ubuntu fucked my hardware clock by setting it to UTC. :)
[09:40] <_1oo7> i found bochs to be not be as fast as i was expecting, by a dreamcrushing order of magnitude, so, if win4lin is only a bad-day order of magnitude, i suppose that is a plus
[09:40] <roofy> lol
[09:40] <subterrific> its got to be the slowest emulation software ever
[09:40] <Tomcat_> LoneTechU: I know how to change it but I'll file a bug report for this...
[09:40] <roofy> well when i tried out win4lin
[09:40] <LoneTechU> k
[09:40] <_1oo7> i guess it's very busy... ? <shrug>
[09:40] <roofy> it ran faster emulated on linux than it did natively lol
[09:41] <roofy> its purely 2d you cant run 3d stuff on it
[09:41] <_1oo7> my intent was for IE and wordperfect, not much more elaborate than that
[09:41] <LoneTechU> roofy: it does not emulate the whole cpu. win4lin is like wabi, mostly a loader.
[09:42] <LoneTechU> it is a bit like running wine with a windows install and all dlls set to native
[09:42] <roofy> yea its not meant to run anything other than win98 lol
[09:43] <ficusplanet> A little off topic, but have any of you tried pearpc?  It is quite impressive.
[09:43] <LoneTechU> or was that some other word? maybe native was looking for .so libs?
[09:43] <roofy> ficusplanet: isnt that the ppc emulator that they got os x running on?
[09:43] <matlads> has anyone had good reports about running ubuntu in vmware?
[09:43] <ficusplanet> roofy: Yeah.  It runs pretty well.
[09:44] <ficusplanet> I have panther on here right now to test pages in Safari/IE Mac.
[09:44] <punkass> is there any other apps i can try to load my canon printer drivers?
[09:44] <subterrific> ficusplanet: i heard the latest qemu cvs is even faster than pearpc
[09:44] <punkass> the gnome 'wizard' isnt seeing them
[09:44] <ficusplanet> subterrific: Wow, that would be quite impressive.
[09:44] <roofy> ficusplanet: i would imagine that would be EXTREMELY slow, since your emulating a completely different architecture, or no?
[09:44] <LoneTechU> punkass: that should be left to cups, right? I think it has a web interface, try http://localhost:631 or something
[09:45] <punkass> yeah i went there and it says "sorry this is locked out, use the wizard"
[09:45] <LoneTechU> oh
[09:45] <punkass> i was hopin there was a command line tool or soemthing like redhead-config-printer
[09:45] <Hrdwr_BoB> redheads?
[09:45] <punkass> lol redhead... er redhat
[09:45] <Hrdwr_BoB> where do I sign up?
[09:45] <Hrdwr_BoB> punkass, somethign on your mind?
[09:45] <elmaya> is there a list with all the packages contents in ubuntu?
[09:45] <punkass> ill never tell
[09:46] <roofy> time to load unbuntu
[09:46] <roofy> ubuntu*
[09:46] <roofy> anyone know the origin of the name?
[09:46] <ficusplanet> zulu word
[09:46] <roofy> for
[09:46] <ficusplanet> means "a person is a person through other people" or something like that.
[09:47] <jdub> roofy: see the faq on the wiki :)
[09:47] <roofy> i would love to read a faq but i cant find it
[09:47] <roofy> the wiki is being slow
[09:47] <ficusplanet> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/
[09:47] <will|werk> hey all
[09:47] <will|werk> there is a problem with installing on machines with a dual DVI nvidia card as the only graphics
[09:47] <roofy> finally thank you!
[09:48] <ficusplanet> No problem.
[09:48] <will|werk> x can't ever find any displays, so fails to start
[09:48] <LoneTechU> why are maximize and demaximize different keys?
[09:48] <roofy> wow this doenst have a root account at all?
[09:48] <ficusplanet> Nope.
[09:48] <will|werk> presumably it is looking for an analoge display?
[09:48] <roofy> so hows uid 0
[09:48] <LoneTechU> roofy: it does, but the suggested means of using it is sudo as necessary.
[09:48] <roofy> whos*
[09:48] <roofy> ah i see
[09:49] <roofy> thats a good way to enforce best practices :P
[09:49] <LoneTechU> login as root is normally disabled
[09:57] <Gvre> hi all. how ubuntu handling security updates? is it taking from debian repos or ubuntu developers are patching the source code?
[09:59] <ficusplanet> It's Ubuntu's own repositories.
[09:59] <roofy> so the devs compile each package specifically for ubuntu
[09:59] <ficusplanet> Yes.
[10:00] <roofy> about how many packages does the repo have?
[10:00] <sladen> Gvre: I think Canonical employ most of the Debian security-team...
[10:00] <ficusplanet> 12981
[10:01] <roofy> damn how long has this project been around?
[10:01] <Gvre> i' m asking this because debian developers are patching stable first and then sarge and sid
[10:01] <ficusplanet> I don't know.  I just learned of it yesterday.
[10:02] <roofy> so what default kernel is it 2.6 i hope
[10:02] <jdub> roofy: 2000ish supported, over 10000 in universe
[10:02] <jdub> roofy: <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:02] <ficusplanet> <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:02] <roofy> :D
[10:03] <ficusplanet> jdub: How would someone go about getting a package/suggesting a package for inclusion in universe?
[10:03] <jdub> ficusplanet: post to -users
[10:04] <ficusplanet> OK
[10:04] <mdz> jdub: most of the good FAQ stuff is moved into plone now; the wiki only has recent additions
[10:05] <will|werk> whats a precompiled kernel interface thing
[10:05] <will|werk> and is it included with ubuntu?
[10:06] <will|werk> i want to install the official nvidia driver
[10:06] <roofy> www.nvidia.com
[10:06] <roofy> download the driver and run it
[10:06] <Gvre> is ubuntu like debian stable, sarge or sid ?
[10:06] <will|werk> yeah i have the driver
[10:06] <roofy> so run it
[10:06] <ficusplanet> Gvre: sid
[10:06] <roofy> in sudo
[10:07] <will|werk> i tried
[10:07] <will|werk> it can't find a precompiled kernel interface module or some
[10:07] <will|werk> thing
[10:07] <roofy> yes, so itll compile one
[10:07] <will|werk> right
[10:07] <roofy> when it cant find it
[10:07] <roofy> and then your set
[10:07] <LoneTech> you'll need the compiler and kernel headers..
[10:07] <roofy> edit your X
[10:07] <will|werk> cool
[10:07] <LoneTech> on my ubuntu install, they weren't installed by default.
[10:07] <roofy> well yea you need the kernel-source installed
[10:07] <beezly> will|werk: why not use the ubuntu nvidia-glx?
[10:07] <will|werk> beezly: it doesn't like my dual-dvi card
[10:07] <will|werk> x fails to start
[10:08] <beezly> will|werk: no, the nvidia-glx, not the xfree86 nv driver
[10:08] <roofy> beezly: i havent used the nvidia-glx, but i assume thats an open source driver not provided by nvidia?
[10:08] <beezly> nope
[10:08] <beezly> it's the nvidia driver
[10:08] <roofy> is it just the nvidia driver wrapped
[10:08] <beezly> yep
[10:08] <beezly> so you don't have to compile
[10:08] <roofy> oh ok :)
[10:08] <beezly> it's *all* pre-compiled if you have a ubuntu kernel
[10:08] <beezly> will|werk: what is your cpu?
[10:09] <seb128> morning
[10:09] <will|werk> athlonXP
[10:09] <beezly> ok do this...
[10:09] <clee> so is there any generic developer target I can install so that I get gcc and binutils and stuff?
[10:09] <will|werk> (i'm at work now, so i can't try this out at the mo, i'll save a log for when i get home)
[10:09] <LoneTech> build-essential?
[10:09] <beezly> sudo apt-get install linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-2-k7 linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-2-k7 nvidia-glx
[10:09] <pitti> seb128: Good morning!
[10:09] <seb128> hello pitti
[10:09] <clee> LoneTech: rock, perfect
[10:10] <will|werk> beezly: thanks very much :)
[10:10] <beezly> will|werk: that should get the nvidia stuff installed
[10:10] <beezly> then you just have to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to say "nvidia" where it currently says "nv"
[10:10] <roofy> you can even just copy paste the following
[10:11] <Gvre> so ubuntu is like sid but security fixes are from ubuntu developers right after the exploit has discovered right? sorry 4 the questions but i'm interesting to use ubuntu as server and i want to update it as soon as possible
[10:11] <roofy> cat /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | sed 's/nv/nvidia/' > /tmp/t; mv /tmp/t /etc/X11/XF86Config-4;
[10:12] <sladen> roofy: perl -p -i -e 's/nv/&idia/' /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[10:12] <roofy> showoff :P
[10:12] <clee> sed can also do in-place editing with '-i'
[10:13] <LoneTech> yay, "envidiaironment"!
[10:13] <roofy> clee: didnt know that
[10:13] <roofy> im old skool
[10:13] <roofy> yet im only 18 :P
[10:13] <jdub> mdz: mmm. i don't think that's such a great idea. but anyway.
[10:13] <roofy> sladen: i like the whole 's/nv/&idia/'
[10:13] <clee> roofy: sed -e s/foo/bar/ -i ${filename}
[10:13] <will|werk> cool thanks for your help guys
[10:13] <will|werk> :)
[10:14] <roofy> thanks clee
[10:14] <clee> roofy: np
[10:15] <mdz> jdub: I like it fine, but take it up with the website mafia if you disagree :-)
[10:16] <seb128> mdz, jdub : permission to fix 1319 (epiphany downloads broken by jdub's changes) and 1266 (umount drives in network://) ?
[10:16] <Gvre> so ubuntu is like sid but security fixes are from ubuntu developers right after the exploit has discovered right? sorry 4 the questions but i'm interesting to use ubuntu as server and i want to update it as soon as possible
[10:16] <clee> Gvre: yes.
[10:17] <mdz> seb128: is it straightforward?
[10:17] <mdz> seb128: by the way, please subscribe to ubuntu-devel
[10:17] <Gvre> clee: Thanks
[10:17] <jdub> seb128: *cry* :)
[10:17] <seb128> jdub: you don't even tested your "Desktop" as folder dude !
[10:17] <jdub> Gvre: that's not really the difference
[10:17] <jdub> seb128: i did!
[10:17] <roofy> i hit yes to dnlwoad the latest packages of the internet
[10:17] <roofy> is it updating the entire system?
[10:17] <jdub> seb128: and the firefox default change - gar!
[10:17] <seb128> jdub: it doesn't work ...
[10:18] <jdub> mmm
[10:18] <Gvre> jdub: what do u mean?
[10:18] <seb128> jdub: if I put "Desktop" in the key here I got the same error as in 13198
[10:18] <seb128> -8
[10:18] <jdub> Gvre: ubuntu has six month time based releases based on debian
[10:18] <jdub> Gvre: debian sid
[10:18] <seb128> jdub: you use a jdub's version of epiphany which Desktop support ? :p
[10:18] <jdub> back soon
[10:19] <jamesh> seb128: does the fix in bug 1266 seem to work for you?
[10:19] <jamesh> (the volume unmounting bug)
[10:20] <seb128> jamesh: just get up and had some coffee, not tested yet
[10:20] <seb128> jamesh: I'll test in 5 min
[10:20] <jamesh> okay.
[10:21] <nawty> anyone here have any experiences with net-snmp ?
[10:21] <nawty> or know it relativley well ?
[10:21] <Gvre> jdub: i know that but i want to know if security of ubuntu  is as good as slackware 's
[10:21] <jdub> Gvre: totally :)
[10:22] <nawty> slackware has a good security model ?
[10:22] <nawty> the security of a distribution is only as good as the person running it.
[10:22] <seb128> mdz: I get mails from ubuntu-devel ... I guess I'm on the list ?
[10:22] <Gvre>  inow that to but i mean the security updates