[00:06] <mhall119> nik90: nice!
[00:07] <mhall119> nik90: did jdstrand say anything about whether we would allow apps to access that API by default?
[01:09] <ahayzen> mhall119, ping
[02:22] <mhall119> ahayzen: pong
[02:22] <ahayzen> mhall119, sorry, we have fixed the issue now :)
[02:22] <ahayzen> mhall119, do u know if there is gonna be another build?
[02:22] <mhall119> 97 is cooking as far as I know
[02:23] <ahayzen> is tht the last? or will there be another?
[02:24] <mhall119> there will always be more :)
[02:24] <mhall119> last before 13.10, I don't know
[02:24] <mhall119> why?
[02:25] <ahayzen> mhall119, we have one merge just landing which fixes a really nasty bug where the user could become stuck
[02:26] <mhall119> ahayzen: as far as I know, all the core apps will be converted to click packages, which will allow us to deliver updates to them any time via the click app store
[02:26] <ahayzen> mhall119, ok
[02:26] <mhall119> so they will be independent of the platform's release cycle
[02:26] <ahayzen> mhall119, just would be nice for them to be in the initial image
[02:27] <ahayzen> <-- perfectionist
[02:27] <mhall119> ahayzen: the apps will be, but we can deliver updates later
[02:27] <mhall119> but yeah, we want a nice stable version in the base release
[07:00] <dholbach> good morning
[08:20] <nik90> mhall119: oh I forgot about the app armor policy group. If you add the usermetrics policy group then your app should be able to access it.
[08:20] <nik90> mhall119: I have updated my post to reflect it.
[10:01] <nik90> dpm: can we get some people to review https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/qtorganizer5-eds/fix-match-all/+merge/191080
[10:02] <nik90> dpm, popey: more alarm fixed for EDS
[10:02] <nik90> fixes*
[10:03] <nik90> fginther: are the clock app autopilot tests passing now?
[10:04] <dpm> oSoMoN, I'd normally ask bfiller, but his day hasn't started yet. Do you think you or someone from your team could help us review https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/qtorganizer5-eds/fix-match-all/+merge/191080 ? We need it to be able to save alarms in the clock app
[10:05] <oSoMoN> dpm: looking
[10:06] <dpm> awesome, thanks
[10:06] <nik90> thnx dpm, oSoMoN
[10:06] <dpm> nik90, does this indeed fix the issue for clock? I.e. have you had the chance to test if with this change alarms do get saved?
[10:07] <nik90> dpm: no I haven't, but renato told me on irc that that should be it
[10:08] <nik90> dpm: do you know how to download a package from the MP so that I can push it to the phone and test?
[10:08] <dpm> I'd be more comfortable if we'd have some more confirmations. Are you able to test from the upstream code, or would you need a new qtorganizer-eds package to test?
[10:08] <dpm> ok, that answers my question :)
[10:08] <nik90> :)
[10:09] <dpm> let me see if it would be easy to create a package to the core apps PPA
[10:09] <dpm> nik90, are you running 13.04 or 13.10?
[10:09] <nik90> 13.10
[10:10] <nik90> dpm: although I need an arm package since EDS saving alarms already works on the desktop...just not on the phone
[10:10] <dpm> yeah, the PPA would take care of an ARM build too
[10:13] <dpm> nik90, ok, requested builds, starting in about 20 minutes, although it might take a couple of hours for the armhf builds to be ready: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/+recipe/qtorganizer5-eds-daily
[10:13] <nik90> dpm: okay
[10:13] <nik90> dpm: so i just adb push this to phone and install it?
[10:14] <dpm> nik90, you can track the status here: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/+archive/daily/+builds?build_state=building
[10:15] <nik90> dpm: since it is in ppa, I will just add the ppa to the phone and perform an update
[10:16] <dpm> nik90, yeah, once the armhf package has been built, you can push it and install it, or even easier just add the PPA. I've never done this after we switched to RO images, though, so you might need to switch to RW before installing it. popey, do you know more about installing packages via apt in a RO image? Can we just switch to RW, install and then back to RO?
[10:17] <nik90> dpm: I know how to convert to RW..i can then reflash to get back to RO
[10:19] <dpm> nik90, awesome. Good news: it seems the builds already started, so if all goes well, we should have the packages very soon: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/+archive/daily/+builds?build_text=&build_state=building
[10:20] <nik90> yay
[10:23] <oSoMoN> dpm: I have approved the MR, but I can’t top-approve it
[10:25] <nik90> oSoMoN: I can confirm if that MP fixes that bug in about 10 mins. Then renato can merge it once his day starts
[10:26] <oSoMoN> sounds good
[10:26] <dpm> thanks a lot oSoMoN
[10:31] <dpm> popey, do you have your magic script to run the latest trunk of a given core app on a device? I'm trying to run music-app trunk to get some screenshots for a MP, but with Qt Creator the music app will deploy and start but not find any music.
[10:33] <nik90> dpm: the build failed on armf and i386 -> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/+archive/daily?field.series_filter=saucy
[10:33] <dpm> argh! :/
[10:34] <nik90> dpm: looking at the build logs, it seems some package was not found, -> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/153817284/buildlog_ubuntu-raring-armhf.qtorganizer5-eds_0.1.1%2B13.10.20131011-0~16~ubuntu13.04.1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[10:35] <nik90> dpm: never mind..https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/+archive/daily/+packages
[10:35] <nik90> dpm: it failed on raring armf
[10:36] <nik90> but passed on saucy armf
[10:36]  * nik90 is testing now
[10:36] <dpm> nik90, ah, yeah, that's cool. I noticed that mid-build, and I cancelled the 13.04 builds: they need a version of libecal that's only on saucy
[10:36] <dpm> nik90, awesome
[10:47] <nik90> dpm: doesnt work...There was an app armor issue before which didnt allow the clock app to save alarms. But that was also fixed in the apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu package by jdstrand and is already in the phone..
[10:47] <nik90> dpm: will talk to renato and zsombi regarding this
[10:47] <dpm> nik90, argh, bummer :/
[10:48] <dpm> nik90, thanks for testing in any case
[10:49] <popey> dpm: i do sometimes, yes.
[10:52] <nik90> dpm: np
[11:13] <JamesTait> Good day all; happy Ada Lovelace Day! :-D
[11:38] <daker> popey: i have published a new HTML5 app if you want to test it "BytesJack"
[11:39] <popey> daker: i dont see it, maybe someone else already published
[11:39] <daker> popey: ya it has been published
[11:41] <popey> daker: i dont see it
[11:42] <daker> popey: i think because of archi "all" bug
[11:43] <daker> bug 1239662
[11:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1239662 in Click Package Index "Apps with Architecture All are not visible on devices" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1239662
[11:46]  * popey tickles JamesTait with that
[11:46]  * JamesTait swats at it with a Solr bat.
[11:51] <JamesTait> I expect to have a fix today, which will probably roll out tomorrow.  Don't hold me to that, though, there's a lot going on this week (for some unknown reason?) that could step in the way.
[12:00] <mihir> dpm: hi
[12:01] <mihir> dpm: i have re-merged branch :- https://code.launchpad.net/~mihirsoni-123/ubuntu-calendar-app/NewEventdetails/+merge/187489
[12:04] <dpm> mihir, awesome!
[12:04] <mihir> dpm: I am working on edit event mode , because of Edit i need to change a code
[12:04] <mihir> dpm:  are you having latest image  on your device now ?
[12:05] <mihir> dpm: are you able to create new event ?? because i am getting some error while creating new event :| if you could test that would be great
[12:15] <dpm> mihir, let me try
[12:15] <mihir> dpm: what PPA should be installed to install QtOrganizer ??
[12:16] <mihir> dpm: i am getting an error End time can't be before start time , even though the end time is grater than that
[12:17] <dpm> mihir, I seem to be able to create an event with the calendar on the latest image, but I've heard someone else mentioning the error you're having
[12:17] <dpm> mihir, you can install the latest qtorganizer5-eds package from the core apps ppa, but you'll have to be on saucy
[12:18] <mihir> dpm: shit i need to upgrade to final beta version first?
[12:19] <dpm> sorry, the eds backend depends on a package that's only on saucy :/
[12:19] <mihir> Ohh it will take hours to upgrade net speed sux here :( and i am left with edit event
[12:20] <mihir> did you look at merge I have proposed ?
[12:49] <fginther> nik90, yes, the clock app tests are passing
[13:10] <mihir> renato: ping !!
[14:25] <dpm> mihir, taking a look at the mp now...
[14:26] <dpm> fginther, could we get Jenkins to run for https://code.launchpad.net/~mihirsoni-123/ubuntu-calendar-app/NewEventdetails/+merge/187489 ?
[14:26] <fginther> dpm, yes
[14:27] <dpm> thanks :)
[14:30] <mihir> dpm: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/generic-mediumtests/1049/console
[14:30] <mihir> it again says conflicts
[14:31] <mihir> but i don't see any changes in those files any idea ?
[14:37] <dpm> fginther, any ideas why in https://code.launchpad.net/~mihirsoni-123/ubuntu-calendar-app/NewEventdetails/+merge/187489 Jenkins is finding conflicts when doing the merge? I've checked out trunk locally and merged that branch, and I can confirm what mihir says: it merges cleanly
[14:37] <fginther> dpm, ugh
[14:37] <fginther> dpm, my mistake
[14:39] <fginther> dpm, mihir, I ran the wrong job
[14:39] <fginther> next one should be better
[14:40] <dpm> ok, thanks!
[14:44] <dpm> fginther, balloons, also if you've got a minute, I could need some help interpreting some test failures: https://code.launchpad.net/~vthompson/music-app/add-ap-test-shuffle-and-mp3/+merge/191111 and https://code.launchpad.net/~qqworini/ubuntu-rssreader-app/content-link-clickable/+merge/191167
[14:45] <dpm> Could anyone with a device try this branch lp:~dpm/music-app/toolbar-visuals-followup-1239699 and take a screenshot of the player controls in the toolbar? I'm having trouble running the app on the phone: it starts, but it doesn't find any media
[14:46] <dpm> and with no media, no player controls :/
[15:04] <mihir> fginther: thank you :)
[15:04] <mihir> dpm: i am upgrading my machine
[15:04] <mihir> i will look into edit code afterwards
[15:15] <nik90> dpm: ping
[15:19] <dpm> hi nik90
[15:20] <nik90> dpm: I tried your branch..the toolbar looks awesome
[15:20] <dpm> hi danielholm, danielholm_, are you around?
[15:20] <nik90> dpm: but the qtcreator screenshot does not work
[15:20] <nik90> dpm: anyother way to take screenshots?
[15:21] <nik90> danielholm: music app looks awesome...nice work
[15:21] <dpm> nik90, I had the same problem, perhaps this helps? -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/phablet-tools/+bug/1238839
[15:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1238839 in Phablet Tools "Add phablet-screenshot script" [Undecided,New]
[15:23] <nik90> dpm: that worked
[15:23] <dpm> nik90, which steps did you follow to run the app on the device? Did you use Qt Creator?
[15:24] <dpm> oh, great!
[15:24] <nik90> dpm: yes
[15:24] <dpm> weird, for me it just launches the app but it finds no media :/
[15:24] <nik90> dpm: http://imgur.com/HSpXJe0
[15:24] <nik90> dpm: my sample music album did not have album art
[15:26] <dpm> nik90, that's perfect, thanks. Would you mind doing a bit of development by proxy and changing some control sizes to see what they look like on the device?
[15:27] <nik90> dpm: sure, if you can tell me how to do it
[15:27] <dpm> nik90, great, just a sec
[15:28] <davmor2> nik90: sure Linux unplugged would be pointless ;)
[15:29] <nik90> davmor2: hehe
[15:30] <ahayzen> dpm, i'm around if tht helps?
[15:31] <nik90> ahayzen: btw, the music app is rocking atm..I love the new visuals...been a while since I used the music app
[15:31] <nik90> ahayzen: nice work
[15:32] <ahayzen> nik90, thanks :) we've been quite busy over the past week or so :)
[15:35] <dpm> nik90, ahayzen, essentially, I was trying to tweak the sizes of the play toolbar controls to look like https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/presentation/d/1nc7RTAD5ViEAdc3VsZyN-lkmG-AnO664uV-5wXZoZZg/edit#slide=id.g11c43ec0b_221 - these are the changes I'd like to test -> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~dpm/music-app/player-control-sizes/revision/209
[15:35] <dpm> I don't seem to be able to run the app and detect the media on a device, so any help in getting the right sizes would be awesome :)
[15:36] <ahayzen> dpm, i think only the image sizes of shuffle,repeat,next,previous were incorrect IIRC?
[15:36] <dpm> ahayzen, yeah, they looked a bit small
[15:37] <ahayzen> dpm, we were using 4GU...think Victor dropped it to 2.5GU last night after discussions with him but design states 2GU which looks tiny!
[15:37] <dpm> ahayzen, indeed, there seems to be a bit of mismatch on gu expectations on the visual spec and what it actually looks like on e.g. a Nexus 4
[15:38] <ahayzen> dpm, yep
[15:39] <nik90> ahayzen, dpm: Since I am looking at the code for the first time, for an Image {} shouldnt you also define fillMode: Image.PreserveAspectFit so that it does not skew due to bad aspect ratio?
[15:39] <ahayzen> dpm, ok i'm free now, was proposing another branch :) , wht do u want testing?
[15:40] <ahayzen> nik90, where have u seen tht?
[15:40] <dpm> ahayzen, simply if you could  run that branch (http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~dpm/music-app/player-control-sizes/revision/209) on the device and either take a screenshot or tweak the sizes yourself, that'd be really useful
[15:40] <nik90> ahayzen: I haven't it skew in the music app, but sometimes in the SDK toolkit, I notice they use this definition.
[15:41] <ahayzen> dpm, how do u take a screenshot?
[15:41] <ahayzen> nik90, no i mean where in our code did u spot tht?
[15:41] <dpm> ahayzen, generally with Qt Creator, although after the Mir migration that no longer works and you'll have to use this script: https://bugs.launchpad.net/phablet-tools/+bug/1238839
[15:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1238839 in Phablet Tools "Add phablet-screenshot script" [Undecided,New]
[15:42] <nik90> ahayzen: in musicToolbar.qml, the repeatIcon Image{} does not have that declaration
[15:42] <nik90> ahayzen: I see many more Image{} declaration musicToolbar.qml which doesnt have it
[15:43] <nik90> ahayzen: download the script frmo the bug report, make it executable and then ./runscript.sh filename.png should do it
[15:43] <ahayzen> nik90, we have been doing height: units.gu(3); width: height; so it is sortof ensured it is square
[15:43] <ahayzen> nik90, but i guess if there is a better way we should make use of it :)
[15:43] <ahayzen> nik90, dpm thanks
[15:44] <nik90> ahayzen: :)
[15:47] <ahayzen> dpm, if all has gone well this is wht ur branch looks like on device http://ubuntuone.com/05zl9QgkHAU9lcuC7jAen7
[15:51] <nik90> ahayzen: why does only Albums tab have a grid view while songs, artists etc have a list view?
[15:51] <dpm> ahayzen, thanks, looking now...
[15:52] <ahayzen> nik90, albums will eventually be like the gallery app
[15:52] <nik90> ahayzen: ah nice
[15:52] <ahayzen> nik90, but we ran out of time to do tht for v1.0
[15:54] <ahayzen> dpm, and tht is wht trunk looks like http://ubuntuone.com/7BKJBSUn7RHRPwfOtmWSvY
[15:56] <ahayzen> dpm, strange the icon sizes don't look much different was/is there a border on the actual images?
[15:58] <bubbly193> What is the irc chanel for the http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/platform/api/ website dev team
[16:01] <ahayzen> dpm, and this is wht lp:~dpm/music-app/toolbar-visuals-followup-1239699 looks like http://ubuntuone.com/1N3VLEPrEiyOcghymbIJLG
[16:07] <dpm> thanks a lot ahayzen, I've now updated the branch with 3gu controls and added a comment. Would you mind reviewing the branch?
[16:07] <dpm> https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/music-app/toolbar-visuals-followup-1239699/+merge/191120
[16:07] <ahayzen> dpm, cool
[16:08] <dpm> here's a screenshot from what you and nik90 have been helping me with: http://ubuntuone.com/6jPMQD5P2Yjhh3603kKXkh
[16:08] <dpm> the top one has 3 gu controls, the bottom one 2.5 gu
[16:08] <dpm> the other are those from design
[16:10] <dpm> lisettte, mehow_, could you add a comment here? https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/music-app/toolbar-visuals-followup-1239699/+merge/191120 - we'd just need confirmation that the visuals look ok. We won't be able to make them 100% matching the design, as the gu on the spec don't seem to match the size on the device exactly
[16:10] <bubbly193> I am looking for the irc channel for the Ubuntu API Website Developement Team.  I was suposed to help with the html backend but some events came up, and wan't to explain why i was a no-show
[16:11] <dpm> bubbly193, you should talk to mhall119
[16:11] <dpm> lisettte, mehow_, there is a link to a screenshot that shows what it looks like
[16:11] <dpm> and with this, I'll need to run. See you all!
[16:13] <lisettte> dpm: is this the screenshot http://ubuntuone.com/13xzojktOLqm3el4VmzdPR ?
[16:13] <mhall119> hi bubbly193
[16:14] <bubbly193> Ellomhall119, sorry I was of no help, but lost all my PC's in a move. I'm olny on irc at the library through Freenode Web IRC
[16:15] <ahayzen> lisettte, no i think he was talking about...
[16:15] <mhall119> bubbly193: that's okay, if/when you get your stuff back again and you still want to contribute, there will still be stuff to do :)
[16:15] <ahayzen> lisettte, http://ubuntuone.com/6jPMQD5P2Yjhh3603kKXkh
[16:16] <mhall119> bubbly193: if you're curious how the work is going, you can try the staging site here: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/api/qml/sdk-1.0/
[16:16] <ahayzen> lisettte, 'Here's what it looks like [3] on the phone. Notice the mismatch between spec and actual device sizes. The top toolbar on the screenshot has 3 gu controls (and 6gu play/pause), the next one below has 2.5gu controls (and still 6gu play/pause). The top toolbar is what looks most like the visual spec.'
[16:17] <lisettte> ahayzen: can we do a quick hangout?
[16:17] <ahayzen> lisettte, yh
[16:18] <bubbly193> Mhall199: It should be soon (as in the 21st soon), I will, if time allows (you know, moving drama), check back then
[16:19] <ahayzen> lisettte, are u starting or shall i?
[16:21] <bubbly193> Also, as a Kindle fire 1st gen user i'm interested in the developement of Ubuntu Touch on Otter (codename for KF 1st gen), what would be my best way (notably irc channel) to checkup on that
[16:23] <t1mp> bubbly193: #ubuntu-touch
[16:25] <mhall119> popey: ping
[16:25] <popey> pong
[16:26] <mhall119> popey: hey, tvoss pinged early today about music-app AP tests, what's going on with them?
[16:26] <popey> plars was looking at them earlier, i wanted to ping balloons also, but not seen him about
[16:27] <balloons> Heh, things keep changing, I was going to try it on my device again to see what's new
[16:29] <mhall119> popey: ok
[16:32] <mhall119> popey: there's a lot of MPs for calendar waiting for review, do you know what's holding them up?
[16:38] <popey> hmm, fginther i see Kunal pinged you earlier, are the calendar merges unstuck now?
[16:40] <fginther> popey, no, we're just taking selective merges that are needed for release and believed to have little impact to testing
[16:42] <lisettte> ahayzen: comment added and spec updated; let us know if anything is not clear
[16:45] <om26er> boiko, hey!
[16:45] <boiko> hi om26er
[16:45] <om26er> boiko, text does not seem to wrap nicely in the messaging app
[16:45] <boiko> om26er: that's fixed already, just not released yet
[16:46] <om26er> boiko, cool. i was just going to try to fix it. ;)
[16:47] <boiko> om26er: :)
[16:47] <om26er> boiko, if there are simple bugs do assign me and I'll try to fix them, probably a little pointer there for what needs to be done is a +1
[16:47] <boiko> om26er: sure, that's really nice of you :)
[16:48] <boiko> om26er: right now we are only fixing the last remaining issues listed to be fixed for 13.10 (just a couple errors), so other fixes will have to wait to get merged, but still we can have them ready for merging
[16:49] <popey> charles: https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-calendar-app/1231136/+merge/188002 is a review pending on you...
[16:49] <om26er> boiko, yeah no problem its just 2 days and after that I guess fixes will start going in
[16:49] <om26er> boiko, btw messaging-app on desktop looks like this: http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=273737
[16:50] <popey> mhall119: why does calendar need networking?
[16:50] <boiko> om26er: you are missing the history qtdeclarative plugin
[16:50] <popey> mhall119: i mean, I can read the description.. but that seems odd
[16:50] <mhall119> popey: not sure, but something in the event view screen is trying to
[16:50] <boiko> om26er: try installing the package, it will install all the missing dependencies
[16:50] <popey> mhall119: map view?
[16:51] <mhall119> that's what I'm thinking, yeah
[16:51] <mhall119> but I haven't dug into the code
[16:51] <popey> i thought that was being removed
[16:51] <om26er> boiko, it seems its not installing anything else.
[16:51] <popey> I'd rather we remove the map view than add an apparmour requirement for something we don't need
[16:51] <boiko> om26er: really? let me check the packaging
[16:51] <om26er>  apt-get install messaging-app updated the messaging-app but did not install and deps
[16:51] <popey> WebbyIT: what's blocking removing the web view?
[16:51] <popey> s/web/map/
[16:52] <om26er> well qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-history-plugin is already installed
[16:52] <mhall119> popey: isn't the map part of the design?
[16:52] <boiko> om26er: hmm, why is it not finding it? :/
[16:52] <om26er> boiko, it works for you ?
[16:52] <om26er> if it does then I guess some problem with my install
[16:53] <boiko> om26er: yes, we actually develop on desktop (and running on desktop too)
[16:54] <om26er> boiko, are you going to create a separate series for the 13.10 release of messaging-app ?
[16:54] <om26er> I mean a separate branch which will only have bug fixes?
[16:55] <boiko> om26er: not sure how  that will work
[16:55] <boiko> bfiller: ^
[16:56] <bfiller> om26er: yes I think we'll do that after the release
[16:56] <bfiller> om26er: or after t-series opens, so then trunk will be t-series
[16:56] <om26er> bfiller, so the 13.10 series will only have bug fixes ?
[16:57] <bfiller> om26er: not sure really, that's a rickspencer question on policy
[16:58] <om26er> bfiller, ok, thanks
[16:58] <danielholm> dpm, I'm here
[16:59] <danielholm> nik90: thanks a lot. But it's also the work of ahayzen and vthompson :)
[17:08] <ahayzen> lisettte, thanks
[17:08] <ahayzen> danielholm, o/
[17:09] <danielholm> ahayzen: hey :)
[17:09] <ahayzen> danielholm, hows things?
[17:09] <danielholm> ahayzen: how are you?
[17:09] <danielholm> ahayzen: good, thanks. :)
[17:09] <ahayzen> danielholm, good thanks :)
[17:09] <ahayzen> lol
[17:10] <danielholm> ahah
[17:10] <ahayzen> another load of emails this morning aha
[17:10] <danielholm> indeed!
[17:10] <ahayzen> its starting to look awesome now though :)
[17:10] <danielholm> it is incredible
[17:10] <danielholm> just updating my branch
[17:11] <danielholm> just a sec
[17:30] <om26er> renato, can you remind me of what needs to be done to write autopilot tests for the contacts app ?
[17:35] <danielholm> ahayzen: or a few min :P
[17:35] <ahayzen> danielholm, hehe
[17:35] <danielholm> ahayzen: had to make come coffee
[17:35] <ahayzen> :)
[17:35] <danielholm> which burned my foot :P
[17:35] <danielholm> ahayzen: what are you up to, mate?
[17:36] <ahayzen> danielholm, coding :P
[17:36] <danielholm> sweet
[17:36] <ahayzen> danielholm, could u look at this https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/music-app/single-expand/+merge/191227
[17:37] <danielholm> ahayzen: certainly; on it!
[17:37] <ahayzen> danielholm, should basically only allow u to expand one thing and the others get collapsed
[17:37] <danielholm> sweet that the expand "arrows" are fixed
[17:37] <ahayzen> danielholm, yep :)
[17:37] <danielholm> great
[17:38] <ahayzen> danielholm, also fixed an issue where in the playlists the arrow isn't actually visible in trunk
[17:39] <danielholm> ok
[17:39] <danielholm> lovely
[17:40] <danielholm> ahayzen: works like a charm! approving
[17:40] <ahayzen> danielholm, woo :)
[17:40] <danielholm> really nice
[17:41] <ahayzen> danielholm, i'm gonna see wht i can do with bug 1240068 now
[17:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1240068 in Ubuntu Music App "[Music app] background colour expanded item" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1240068
[17:45] <danielholm> ahayzen: nice
[18:40] <dmj_nova> what is the process of featuring an app in the software center banner?
[18:48] <dmj_nova> zoopster: Perhaps you could point me in the right direction?
[18:54] <zoopster> dmj_nova: you can send me an email with the request - can't guarantee it - john.pugh at canonical
[18:56] <dmj_nova> zoopster: thanks, will do!
[19:43] <nik90> popey, mhall119: can you ensure that https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/qtorganizer5-eds/fix-match-all/+merge/191080 makes it into tomorrow's phone image?
[19:43] <nik90> I have tested it and it fixed the saving alarms issue
[19:43] <nik90> or atleast before image 100
[19:46] <popey> will ask nik90, thanks
[19:56] <mhall119> nik90: thanks!
[19:56] <nik90> np


[00:03] <g3> herp a derp
[06:09] <shahaan> Hello, since upgrading to 2.1.3+bzr5573-0ubuntu1~16.04.1 500, GPT partitioning is causing MBR corruption leading to grub-rescue prompt upon booting, any ideas ??
[06:10] <shahaan> Upon Booting the nodes and not mass-server...
[07:15] <BlackDex> doesn't gpt remove the mbr with maas?
[07:16] <BlackDex> or at least there shouldn't be mbr on the disk and only gpt?
[07:35] <errr> is it possible to create a storage layout with multiple volume groups and multiple logical volumes in each group?
[07:40] <miono> We're trying to install machines on different VLANs from the same MAAS-instance. But the only way we can get it to work is if we set the maas-url in the rackd-config and regiond-config to MaaS IP on that vlan. Isn't it possible for MaaS to install machines on different VLANs?
[09:27] <pmatulis> miono, yes, it should be possible. is DHCP enabled on each? what errors do you get?
[09:36] <BlackDex> oke, i have a strange problem, i have a custom maas image which i deploy, and sometimes it gets an ip after the last reboot, and sometimes it doesn't. I can put the network config to dhcp or static what i want, but it just doesn't. I don't have curtin or cloud-init installed in the image it self, but that worked before. it seems it broke somewhere around xmas.
[10:07] <miono> pmatulis: Yeah, DHCP is enabled on both VLANs. The machines are booting over PXE and it seems to work, but during the enlistment-phase (iirc) they are trying to fetch stuff from the standard gateway. Which is not the maas_url.
[10:09] <miono> pmatulis: Our example is like this: We have two VLANs, VLAN 100 and VLAN 200. If we set the maas-url to <IP_ADDRESS> we can install machines in VLAN100, but not those in VLAN200. And vice versa.
[10:18] <pmatulis> miono, the nodes need a route to the internet for commissioning
[10:19] <pmatulis> so check the gateway, routes, etc
[10:20] <miono> pmatulis: They have that. But they are requesting maas on the wrong IP. They are basically sending a request to <IP_ADDRESS> instead of <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:21] <miono> pmatulis: I will try this again now to see exactly when the error happens and what it looks like.
[10:22] <hachi> Hi
[10:22] <hachi> After deploying some nodes with the LACP bond i found that the network interfaces that make up the bonding also got the settings of the LACP, like this:
[10:22] <hachi> http://paste.openstack.org/show/597325/
[10:23] <miono> hachi: Yeah, we're having that issue too.
[10:23] <miono> hachi: But I haven't found a solution. Basically just decided to live with it, since they don't affect the bond itself.
[10:24] <miono> hachi: Sorry, nvm, we're having a different issue.
[10:24] <pmatulis> hachi, can you open an issue on it?
[10:26] <hachi> miono and pmatulis thank you both.
[10:26] <hachi> pmatulis do you mean filing a bug ?
[10:26] <pmatulis> hachi, yes: https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+filebug
[10:26] <hachi> OK i am going to do it now.
[10:28] <miono> pmatulis: For some reason it's trying to make a request to a 169.254-address
[10:28] <miono> pmatulis: (when it's trying to call home to MaaS)
[10:28] <miono> pmatulis: And then it starts sending requests to it's standard GW
[10:28] <miono> <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:29] <pmatulis> sounds like dhcp is not working well
[10:30] <pmatulis> check the logs for the rackd (/var/log/maas/rackd.log?)
[10:30] <pmatulis> also, in web UI, look in the Nodes page, 'controller' tab. are all elements/services ok (green)?
[10:32] <miono> pmatulis: Checked the UI, everything is green there. And DHCP is enabled on vlan 200. If I go to the vlan-page for vlan200 I can see the host there. <IP_ADDRESS> (which is in the maas dhcp-range).
[10:32] <miono> I can ping this address from the maas-machine too..
[10:32] <miono> trying agian now, while tailing the rackd-log
[10:35] <miono> it hangs for a while at "Starting Initial cloud-init job (metadata service crawler)
[10:35] <miono> "
[10:35] <miono> and then these requests for the wrong IP are shown on the screen of the node
[10:36] <mup> Bug #1661203 opened: LACP bonding  resulted in uncorrect settings of the primary interfaces <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1661203>
[10:36] <miono> But since it succeeds with PXE-booting etc, I would guess that DHCP is in fact working as it should.
[10:36] <miono> If I change the maas_url in both rackd.conf and regiond.conf to <IP_ADDRESS> instead of <IP_ADDRESS>, everything works.
[10:41] <BlackDex> miono: you need to dpkg-reconfigure maas-rack-controller and maas-region-controller and point the URL to the IP which is used for the DHCP of the enlisting
[10:41] <BlackDex> that will trigger that IP to be used as default/backup for metadata stuff during boot
[10:42] <miono> BlackDex: Well, that is basically what we are doing, but just not doing it through dpkg-reconfigure, instead just doing it straight in the config file and then restarting maas.
[10:43] <BlackDex> that is good also, as long as the ip is the one of the dhcp used for pxe-boot :)
[10:44] <miono> Well, it has to be, since the nodes I'm trying to enlist are on that vlan.
[10:46] <pmatulis> hmm, sounds like you guys are saying you cannot implement dhcp on multiple subnets
[10:46] <miono> pmatulis: Well, dhcp is obviously working, or they wouldn't PXE-boot.
[10:47] <pmatulis> right ok
[10:47] <pmatulis> miono, well, i suggest opening a bug
[10:47] <miono> but I'm trying that dpkg-reconfigure thing now, since I suspect that thoes URLs maybe are propagated to the DB too.
[10:51] <miono> Alright tried that, didn't work, have to bounce in to a meeting now. Thanks for your support!
[11:24] <mup> Bug #1661214 opened: Dashboard/Nodes pages blank <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1661214>
[13:28] <Flint_> Hi everyone!
[13:42] <Flint_> Guys, where is located the apache site configuration for the maas region controller?
[13:43] <Flint_> does MAAS embedde its own webserver?
[13:43] <Flint_> does MAAS embed its own webserver?
[13:45] <Flint_> I can't find anything related to maas on the apache configuration or directories. Is MAAS using twisted to create a webserver that will provide the django dashboard?
[14:12] <mup> Bug #1661254 opened: Auto-assignment of network interface tag based on LSHW/LLDP <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1661254>
[14:13] <Flint_> ping anyone?
[15:44] <pmatulis> 'sup?
[17:09] <errr> is it possible to create a storage layout with multiple volume groups and multiple logical volumes in each group?
[17:31] <kiko> errr, I believe so -- does the UX limit you there today?
[17:32] <errr> kiko: yes it does, and the docs are not clear on how one would do that
[18:01] <roaksoax> errr: what's the difficulty. I just tested creating multiple volume groups with logical volumes without any issues
[18:01] <roaksoax> ?
[18:05] <errr> roaksoax: can you tell me how you did that?
[18:06] <errr> roaksoax: Im not sure if it matters but I am on: MAAS Version 2.1.3+bzr5573-0ubuntu1 (16.04.1)
[18:15] <roaksoax> errr: so after I commissed a machine with 1 disk, I unmounted and removed all partitions
[18:15] <roaksoax> errr: then 1 selected 'sda', created 2 partitions
[18:16] <errr> Lets say I had 20 machines to do this to. Is there a way to do it once so I dont have to do it 20 times?
[18:16] <roaksoax> errr: no, you cannot add "custom" storage layouts at the moment
[18:17] <errr> where it could be applied as a layout like how LVM, or Flat is a layout I could have my own custom layout>'
[18:17] <errr> ah
[18:17] <errr> this sucks. because I actually have 3500 nodes to deploy
[18:18] <roaksoax> errr: you can always script this. We normally do this by scripting these type of things
[18:18] <errr> I guess Ill poke at the source and see what it would take to implement my wn custom layout
[18:19] <errr> script it how?
[18:19] <errr> llike once its been commissed I would execute some cli like script to apply these changes to each node?
[18:22] <errr> ideally I would want to have 5 layouts, then be able to apply said layout to a node based on a tag.
[18:23] <errr> and Id like it to be hands off so it could just happen as automatically as possible
[18:23] <errr> in my case I have 5 machine types and each one needs a custom storage layout based on what that machine does
[18:45] <roaksoax> errr: yeah you could scriipt it with the CLI
[20:07] <mup> Bug #1661203 changed: LACP bonding  resulted in uncorrect settings of the primary interfaces <curtin:Incomplete> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1661203>
[23:26] <mup> Bug #1661427 opened: [2.1.3] Adding a tag from the Web UI sometimes deletes entire list of tags for Server during Save <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1661427>
[23:56] <mup> Bug #1661440 opened: [2.1.3] Adding a new tag from WebUI fails after trying to add same new tag to different server <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1661440>


[00:50] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[00:54] <leftyfb> welcome to the firefox/snap .... fest
[01:35] <lotuspsychje> lol leftyfb
[01:40] <daftykins> down with snaps
[01:42] <lotuspsychje> the users choice wins
[01:42] <daftykins> no you have no idea what you're talking about as usual
[01:42] <daftykins> Canonical have a knack for backing the slowest horse :D
[01:45] <lotuspsychje> what i mean is, when users come in main and ask methods to remove FF snap, its their choice
[01:46] <daftykins> and what alternative do you point them toward?
[01:47] <lotuspsychje> i just got here, i didnt do anything
[01:47] <lotuspsychje> but that ubuntu handbook method seems popular
[01:48] <lotuspsychje> https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/04/install-firefox-deb-ubuntu-22-04/
[01:51] <daftykins> pfft
[01:51] <daftykins> certainly going to be a very polarising time
[11:08] <manwhowouldbekin> Greetings! Just upgraded to Ubuntu 22.04! Things seem to have gone smoothly. Nothing much broke, except for some themes. Does anyone know if with the new screenshot tool there is a way to save a file of the screenshot? There was with the old one, and I found it very useful.
[11:19] <lotuspsychje> manwhowouldbekin: it used to be gnome-screenshot now its built in prt scr feature in gnome
[11:19] <Maik> manwhowouldbekin: afaik after taking the screenshot it's saved in Pictures
[11:19] <lotuspsychje> manwhowouldbekin: i do have a wishlist, to be able to choose the saving dir
[11:22] <wez> .o/
[12:16] <manwhowouldbekin> lotuspsychje, Thanks! That helps. I, too, would like to be able to change the directory. I got used to them going to Desktop.
[12:20] <manwhowouldbekin> Maik, Thanks!
[18:55] <bob518> Any good recommendations for macro software? I want to run keyboard strokes on the terminal and be able to record/execute mouse moves, clicks, and keyboard typing.


[00:57] <Noskcaj> It appears http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/bugs/rcbugs/ is broken
[00:57] <Noskcaj> wgrant, That's one of your pages isn't it? ^
[01:01] <wgrant> Noskcaj: ajmitch knows that code better, I think, but I'll have a look if he doesn't.
[01:01] <wgrant> It was probably the dist-upgrade last week.
[01:01] <ajmitch> wgrant: I'll poke it & see
[01:02] <wgrant> ajmitch: The webapp was working fine at the time, but maybe the import script is unhappy.
[01:02] <wgrant> I didn't think to check that.
[01:04] <ajmitch> partly because it's so old & outdated
[01:10] <ajmitch> Noskcaj: fixed
[01:11] <wgrant> ajmitch: Thanks. What was the issue?
[01:12] <ajmitch> wgrant: using a python extension that linked to libapt_pkg for version comparisons
[01:13] <ajmitch> not something packaged, so it just needed to be rebuilt
[01:13] <wgrant> Ahh
[01:14] <wgrant> We ran into the same problem with LP a couple of months ago.
[01:14] <ajmitch> it's only about 10 years old
[01:15] <ajmitch> plus there was a script trying to run python2.5 (since 2.4 was just too old)
[04:02] <pitti> Good morning
[04:03] <pitti> hallyn: ah, the init.d script is broken and doesn't actually stop virtd? that needs to be fixed then indeed (or a proper unit added)
[06:41] <dholbach> good morning
[07:26]  * mgedmin wants to ask about https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1384188
[07:33] <seb128> cyphermox, ^ it might be one for you? (updating gfxboot-theme-ubuntu with a new translations export)
[07:33] <seb128> mgedmin, ^
[07:51] <pitti> infinity: can you please remind me and mbiebl_: why do we need *both* the sysvinit (update-rc.d) and the systemd trigger update?
[07:56] <infinity> pitti: Different corner cases.  Either one addresses the simple "policy compliant deb that calls update-rc.d but not invoke-rc.d" case, but each addresses different cases that aren't that.
[07:57] <infinity> pitti: sysvinit also covers the "install without a package, but use update-rc.d" case, and the trigger also covers the "install from a deb that doesn't use update-rc.d" case.
[07:57] <infinity> pitti: Neither one addresses every possible corner case (only fixing systemd itself could do that), but both together cover enough that it's probably "good enough for now".
[07:57] <pitti> infinity: ah, ok; the first case sounded a bit strange to me, but sure
[07:58] <pitti> infinity: but as the latter would be an RC bug in that particular package, I'm not sure how happy the Debian release team would be about such a change two weeks before the release; or did you already happen to talk to them?
[07:59] <infinity> pitti: I'll talk to them.  The fix is (I think) obviously non-invasive and not regression-inducing.  A tiny performance impact, but nothing worth fretting about (and a no-op on upgrades from wheezy, since systemd isn't running yet).
[08:00] <pitti> ack; I'll do the commit/upload then
[08:01] <infinity> pitti: Actually, I'm not sure the latter WOULD be a policy violation.
[08:01] <infinity> pitti: Policy says "However, it must not be assumed by maintainer scripts that this method is being used, and any automated manipulation of the various runlevel behaviors by maintainer scripts must be performed using update-rc.d as described below and not by manually installing or removing symlinks."
[08:02] <infinity> pitti: One could infer from that that if you wanted to install an init script that *doesn't* have rc.d symlinks and is only started/stopped by hand, you don't need to call upadte-rc.d
[08:02] <infinity> pitti: And systemd should still be aware of those scripts, so you can start them properly.
[08:03] <infinity> pitti: Later, there's a "should register with update-rc.d", but not a must.
[08:04] <infinity> pitti: So, yeah, I'd say it's not RC to ship an init script with no runlevel, just weird.
[08:04] <infinity> pitti: But having it fail to work would be RC, so...
[08:04] <mbiebl_> morning pitti, infinity
[08:04] <pitti> hey mbiebl_
[08:04] <mbiebl_> just checked all the packages shipping init scripts in the Debian archive
[08:05] <mbiebl_> i didn't find one which one installs without update-rc.d
[08:05] <infinity> mbiebl_: To be clear, I didn't think the trigger would be necessary for packages in the archive.
[08:05] <infinity> I just think it's still the right thing to do.
[08:05]  * infinity shrugs.
[08:05] <mbiebl_> infinity: hm, k
[08:05] <infinity> (Well, it would have been necessary without the update-rc.d fix, but yeah...)
[08:05] <mbiebl_> right
[08:06] <mbiebl_> my impression from our discussion was, that we needed one or the other but not necessariliy both
[08:06] <mbiebl_> (btw, thanks for the sysv upload)
[08:06] <pitti> mbiebl_: so, I don't mind committing this to master if the RT agrees; it just feels way below RC to me
[08:09] <infinity> pitti: I think it's right from a point of view of "polish", which isn't always "RC" in the "completely broken" sense, but it still seems right.
[08:09] <infinity> pitti: But I can get a release ack before upload, if that makes you feel better.
[08:11] <mbiebl_> pitti: something else I wanted to discuss with you (and possibly didrocks) is the default-display-manager behaviour
[08:11] <mbiebl_> It just happened to me the other day, that I wanted to test a boot without graphical login
[08:11] <mbiebl_> so I ran systemctl disable gdm.service
[08:12] <mbiebl_> which did remove the display-manager.service symlink
[08:12] <mbiebl_> upon reboot, gdm was running though
[08:12] <mbiebl_> it took me a while to remember that the generator had created a start symlinks because of /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[08:13] <mbiebl_> and I don't think it should do that
[08:13] <mbiebl_> because /e/X/d shouldn't decide about the enabled/disabled state
[08:14] <mbiebl_> only about which one is the configured one if multiple are installed
[08:15] <didrocks> there are a lot of dms not transitionned in debian to use a systemd unit
[08:15] <didrocks> that would mean, there is no way to ensure not 2dms (a systemd ones and an init-only one) would not be started
[08:16] <didrocks> hence the whole work and discussion to have /etc/X11/default-display-manager as the source of truth
[08:17] <darkxst> didrocks, except that is just a bunch of packaging hacks currently, no?
[08:18] <mbiebl_> didrocks: it's ok to make /e/X/d decide which one is the configured default
[08:18] <didrocks> darkxst: the d-d-m setting default? It's not, it's a generator
[08:18] <pitti> well yes, obviously it'd be better to fix all the DMs in sid/vivid, but we aren't there yet (and freeze, etc.)
[08:18] <mbiebl_> but the generator should not automatically re-enable services which have been disabled by the admin
[08:18] <didrocks> mbiebl_: it's not if it's masked
[08:18] <didrocks> which was your latest request, that is implemented IIRC
[08:19] <darkxst> didrocks, isnt it generated by debconf?
[08:20] <pitti> the link is
[08:20] <didrocks> darkxst: it's a systemd generator, see above ^ we are not talking about the postinst thingy
[08:20] <pitti> the systemd generator turns that into unit config
[08:20] <mbiebl_> didrocks: I did remember that we discussed that a while ago and i think I mentioned the same issue back then
[08:21] <pitti> mbiebl_: still better IMHO than attempting to start two DMs
[08:21] <pitti> let's face it -- systemd can only do so much while we still have broken DM packages
[08:21] <didrocks> mbiebl_: you were ok at the time that masking would be sufficient
[08:22] <mbiebl_> pitti: two DMs are only started if you have a combination of native .service file and sysv init script
[08:22] <mbiebl_> only sysv init scripts -> all existing ones have the check for /e/X/d-d-m
[08:22] <didrocks> not nodm
[08:22] <mbiebl_> only systemd units -> only one can provide the symlink
[08:23] <mbiebl_> didrocks: nodm is broken, so I don't really care
[08:23] <pitti> mbiebl_: precisely that was the case, no? e. g. gdm + nodm
[08:23] <didrocks> well, that was one of the inputs to get it fixed though
[08:23] <didrocks> we got bug reports about it
[08:23] <didrocks> (doesn't impact ubuntu as we don't have nodm)
[08:24] <mbiebl_> if nodm doesn't check /e/X/ddm it's also broken under sysv?
[08:25] <darkxst> oh right, I see
[08:26] <mbiebl_> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=748668
[08:26] <mbiebl_> I don't see nodm mentioned there
[08:26] <mbiebl_> it's about mixing non-systemd enabled DMs like slim with e.g. gdm
[08:27] <didrocks> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=770219
[08:28] <didrocks> didn't start because another dm was started through systemd IIRC
[08:28] <didrocks> (when doing some vm tests)
[08:28] <didrocks> this is quite months old, don't remember exactly
[08:28] <mbiebl_> doesn't look systemd specific
[08:28] <mbiebl_> as said, the nodm package just looks broken and I don't think we should model around that package
[08:30] <mbiebl_> didrocks: all I would do, if both a sysv DM is installed and a native systemd DM unit
[08:30] <mbiebl_> and the display-manager.service symlink exists but doesn't match /e/X/ddm
[08:31] <mbiebl_> is to runtime mask that service
[08:31] <mbiebl_> easy and simple
[08:31] <didrocks> I'll let you and pitti sorting it out, TBH, I'm a little bit tired about the bikeshedding around it
[08:31] <didrocks> there was a need, we addressed it, was almost RC for some
[08:31] <didrocks> if you want to drop it, ok
[08:40] <pitti> tjaalton: I think I might have found a likely candidate for your "bridge does not come up" problem, I followed up to bug 1430675 (one-second check)
[09:28] <pitti> cjwatson: hm, did the RTM upload target/machinery change recently?
[09:29] <pitti> cjwatson: on ubuntu-phone@ it was mentioned that the langpacks are out of date, and indeed https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/+source/language-pack-touch-es is from March 24
[09:29] <pitti> cjwatson: but my cron build and upload logs show success (last log from yesterday), and the continued succession in https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/14.09/+language-packs proves this too
[09:30] <pitti> nothing in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/14.09/+queue?queue_state=1 either
[09:30] <pitti> so it seems they are just silently getting rejected now?
[09:32] <tjaalton> pitti: oh, nice catch! sounds like it'll get fixed for me too
[09:32] <tjaalton> I don't have the rcS.d symlink
[09:32] <pitti> tjaalton: ah, you also don't have that link?
[09:32] <pitti> tjaalton: great, thanks for confirming! this seems to be a rather widespread plague
[09:32] <pitti> and it looks like it's already rather old, just got hidden by the networking upstart job
[09:33] <tjaalton> yeah
[09:33] <tjaalton> this install is 2,5y old
[09:35] <cjwatson> pitti: Not as far as I know.
[09:36] <cjwatson> Let's see what our logs say.
[09:37] <pitti> cjwatson: hm, I recently had to renew the gpg key validity for<EMAIL_ADDRESS>I wonder if that's related
[09:37] <cjwatson> pitti: 2015-04-06 05:23:32 INFO    Failed to parse changes file '/srv/launchpad.net/ubuntu-queue/incoming/upload-ftp-20150406-052225-005790/ubuntu-rtm/language-pack-touch-ast_14.10+rtm14.09+20150405_source.changes': GPG verification of /srv/launchpad.net/ubuntu-queue/incoming/upload-ftp-20150406-052225-005790/ubuntu-rtm/language-pack-touch-ast_14.10+rtm14.09+20150405_source.changes failed: Verification failed 3 times: ["(7, 153, u'Key ...
[09:37] <cjwatson> ... expired')", "(7, 153, u'Key expired')", "(7, 153, u'Key expired')"]
[09:37] <cjwatson> pitti: Indeed.  How recently did you do that?
[09:37] <pitti> cjwatson: on March 30 according to the file timestamps
[09:38] <pitti> I updated it on macquarie, I guess I also need to update it on Launchpad somehow
[09:38] <AntiSol> hello devs! I'm having a strange problem with patch and was hoping somebody could help: I'm trying to apply the patch from http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.file-systems.ext4/18338. I did apt-get source e2fsprogs and saved the patch from that page. when I do 'patch -p1 < patchfile.patch' it tells me that it's patching the files but it doesn't make any changes to the files. I also tried patch --verbose: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10771372/
[09:38] <cjwatson> pitti: Did you push it to keyserver.ubuntu.com?
[09:38] <pitti> ah! no
[09:38] <pitti> done now
[09:39] <cjwatson> pitti: Thanks, that should do the trick
[09:39] <pitti> cjwatson: so, sorry for the noise, thanks for pointing out
[09:39] <AntiSol> any ideas? I have checked that I have permissions, and patch gives a 0 return code. I have NFI what's going on
[09:47] <pitti> cjwatson: http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x5E7C4A8E07EABA1B is updated, but I figure LP needs some time (cron?) to update its internal keys; I'll check tomorrow's cronned uploads then
[09:47] <pitti> (my immediate re-uploads didn't work yet)
[09:55] <cjwatson> pitti: There may be a cache between it and the keyserver, I forget.
[09:55] <pitti> cjwatson: don't worry
[11:33] <infinity> pitti: I got a "that seems sane" from adsb on both the sysvinit and systemd fixes, with the caveat that I ask KiBi, since it'll be a new udeb.
[11:33] <infinity> mbiebl_: ^
[11:33] <pitti> infinity: cheers
[11:33] <infinity> mbiebl_: Did you decide you needed a systemd upload for other reasons (the ddm thing) too?
[11:34] <pitti> infinity: it won't affect d-i/the udeb anyway, so that should be fine
[11:34] <pitti> infinity: yes, I've backported a few other nice and safe fixes too
[11:34] <infinity> pitti: Yeah, won't affect it except to trigger a respin if he's keeping d-i in sync with the archive.
[11:34] <infinity> pitti: Okay, cool, if the upload is happening anyway, please backport the trigger, then.
[11:34] <infinity> pitti: And we'll beg forgiveness from KiBi for the udeb churn. :)
[11:35] <pitti> infinity: already committed to git
[11:35] <infinity> pitti: Ta.  When the upload hits, I can submit the unblock bug for both, if you like.
[11:36] <pitti> infinity: I'll send the systemd unblock, I can explain the other changes
[11:36] <pitti> infinity: and for that trigger part refer to your conversation with adsb
[11:49] <infinity> pitti: Alright, sysvinit unblock filed, I'll leave the systemd stuff in your capable hands.
[11:50] <infinity> pitti: PS, let's never deal with two distros in freeze at the same time again, it's irksome.
[12:03] <pitti> infinity: heh, tell me :)
[12:03] <infinity> jodh: golang-juju-loggo?  Why the trailing "go"?  No other go packages seem to do that.
[12:03] <jodh> infinity: that's it's name - https://godoc.org/github.com/juju/loggo
[12:04] <infinity> jodh: I suppose I'd also question why we need Yet Another Logger (there seem to be a couple already), but whatever.  Tis the curse of a new language that everyone needs to NIH five times.
[12:10] <infinity> jodh: Your build-dep is on debhelper 9, but debian/compat is 7.  Intentional mismatch?
[12:13] <rbasak> juju-loggo? What's this for, OOI? Juju itself bundles the dep.
[12:14] <infinity> rbasak: Given the uploader, I'm going to assume it's being used for something snaptastic.
[12:18] <rbasak> I wonder if there's anything we can do to avoid duplication. That might mean a huge amount of pain though :-/
[12:18] <jodh> infinity: that build-dep will be an oversight :)
[12:22] <infinity> rbasak: Stop using a language/ecosystem that promotes bundling and static linking as the norm? :P
[12:22] <rbasak> :-/
[12:56] <Mate> hi. how could i get debug symbols for upstart=1.5-0ubuntu7.2? it's missing from precise-updates on ddebs.ubuntu.com (but arm* is there)
[13:05] <infinity> Mate: The symbols do indeed seem to be missing, there's no way to get them back.  But you could try -0ubuntu7.3 from precise-proposed, which does have symbols on all arches.
[13:06] <Mate> I have a core file to investigate
[13:27] <Odd_Bloke> dannf: Would you expect a "error: no suitable video mode found." from GRUB when booting the arm64 UEFI image with -nographic?
[13:27] <infinity> Odd_Bloke: Yeah.
[13:28] <Odd_Bloke> Great!
[13:28] <infinity> Odd_Bloke: We get the same misfeature on PPC, it's clearly a bug in both cases, but a mostly harmless one.
[13:30] <Odd_Bloke> That just leaves me with "error: file `/boot/grub/fonts/unicode.pf2' not found."; /boot/grub/unicode.pf2 exists, and I can't see any reason for grub to look in that particular directory.
[14:03] <flexiondotorg> infinity, I saw mention of PPC.
[14:04] <flexiondotorg> infinity, There is a serious regression in X for PowerPC :(
[14:05] <flexiondotorg> infinity, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/1434036
[14:06] <flexiondotorg> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89862
[14:08] <hallyn> pitti: well no, the /etc/init.d/libvirt-bin script *looks* correct.  and sometimes it kills it fo rme.  but often it does not.  I haven't yet figured out why.
[14:29] <tjaalton> flexiondotorg: does startx work?
[14:30] <flexiondotorg> tjaalton, Good question. I don't know. I'll ask them to test that. My PowerPC test machine is at home so I can't test right now.
[14:33] <Odd_Bloke> infinity: And do we expect to get a pause before boot continues, when we see that error?
[15:15] <Riddell> tseliot: so d_ed pointed out a couple of issues with your displaystop patch :(  you also say it needs to set /etc/X11/default-display-manager ? what's that used for and do you know what sets it in the lightdm package? all these postinsts and config files are hard to follow
[15:33] <dannf> Odd_Bloke: we know the cloud images have a mis-installed grub, that is being worked on
[15:33] <dannf> Odd_Bloke: but yeah, for now you have to press a key to continue
[15:35] <Odd_Bloke> dannf: I am, in fact, working on it. :)
[15:35] <dannf> Odd_Bloke: oh, didn't "real name" you - cool, thanks! let me know what i can do to help
[15:35] <Odd_Bloke> dannf: I've got to the point where we see an "error: no suitable video mode found." message, a (~10 second) pause and then boot continues.
[15:36] <dannf> Odd_Bloke: yeah - grub has a boot delay there, but you can hit esc to see the grub menu - make-it-boot-now
[15:36] <Odd_Bloke> dannf: So does what I've got sound like roughly what we'd expect?
[15:37] <dannf> Odd_Bloke: sounds like it
[15:37] <Odd_Bloke> OK, cool.
[15:37] <dannf> i think the only remaining open issue was to make the boot non-interactive by fixing the grub install
[15:38] <dannf> well - issue *for you* - i'm still working on fixing up various other bits for utopic/vivid, but that's all kernel
[15:38] <Odd_Bloke> I'll see if I can iron out some of the hackiness that I've got in place, but I expect vivid dailies will be fixed by the end of the week.
[15:38] <Odd_Bloke> (And probably other releases, but I'm only testing vivid ATM)
[15:38] <dannf> awesome!
[15:38] <dannf> yeah, utopic/trusty will need hand holding to boot even after the images are fixed. utopic should be fine after the next SRU cycle
[15:40] <Odd_Bloke> dannf: The "fs0:; cd efi; BOOTaa64.EFI" dance is still fine for "non-interactive" boot?
[15:40] <Odd_Bloke> (That is presumably the result of the BIOS that we're using, rather than the images?)
[15:40] <dannf> Odd_Bloke: oh, no - that needs to be repaired
[15:41] <dannf> Odd_Bloke: think about it in an openstack environment, where you can't talk to the vm until ssh is up
[15:42] <Odd_Bloke> dannf: So when the "The default boot selection" countdown hits 0, we should be straight in to grub?
[15:43] <Odd_Bloke> dannf: (Yeah, makes sense, I had just assumed that there was EFI/BIOS magic that did something something *waves hands*)
[15:43] <dannf> Odd_Bloke: yeah. it could be a problem w/ the bios image as well - but i thought they had the right entries
[15:43] <Odd_Bloke> dannf: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10774114/ is what I see.
[15:44] <dannf> Odd_Bloke: and then [1] fails i take it?
[15:44] <Odd_Bloke> dannf: Yep.
[15:44] <dannf> Odd_Bloke: http://www.linaro.org/app/resources/WhitePaper/VMSystemSpecificationForARM-v1.0.pdf
[15:44] <dannf> ^ that's what we're aiming for
[15:45] <dannf> so the "firmware" should be defaulting to boot "\efi\boot\bootaa64.efi"
[15:45] <dannf> Odd_Bloke: if manually running that works, and the firmware just isn't calling it correctly, then probably something to look at on our end
[15:46] <dannf> Odd_Bloke: from your "dance" commandline, it looks like it might be under \efi, not under \efi\boot?
[15:46] <Odd_Bloke> Ah, looks like we're creating \efi\bootaa64.efi
[15:46] <Odd_Bloke> :)
[15:46] <dannf> jinx :)
[15:46] <Odd_Bloke> /kick Odd_Bloke JINX
[15:47] <Odd_Bloke> dannf: OK, I'll get that in the right place and see if boot becomes non-interactive
[15:47] <dannf> cool - hope that's it :)
[16:06] <flexiondotorg> pitti, Anything I can do to help with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ecryptfs-utils/+bug/953875
[16:06] <flexiondotorg> pitti, See my comments 61 and 62
[16:29] <Odd_Bloke> dannf: Hm, if I enter the Boot Manager and Add Boot Device Entry, then I can boot using that option in the boot menu.
[16:38] <dannf> Odd_Bloke: you  mean w/o moving it under 'boot\'?
[16:39] <flexiondotorg> Will anyone be piloting today?
[16:39] <dannf> Odd_Bloke: yeah - i'd expect that to work. but that wouldn't let us autoboot on someone else's complaint EFI firmware blob
[16:40] <Odd_Bloke> dannf: No, having moved it under boot; it still didn't work having moved it.
[16:41] <Odd_Bloke> dannf: The first option I have in the boot menu is "Linux (EFI stub) on virtio31:hd0:part0"; is that trying to load the kernel directly rather than go through grub?
[16:42] <dannf> Odd_Bloke: ah, maybe
[16:43] <dannf> Odd_Bloke: in that case, i think it's a bad fw blob. which blob are you using? i don't recall which one i suggested
[16:44] <Odd_Bloke> dannf: http://people.canonical.com/~vorlon/edk2-aarch64/QEMU_EFI.fd.native
[16:45] <dannf> oh, ok. i'll try to come up with a better one to test with.
[16:45] <dannf> Odd_Bloke: do you have a cloudimage build i can use to do that, or should i just wait for a daily?
[16:46] <Odd_Bloke> dannf: I'll push up something I've built locally for you, give me a minute.
[16:47] <dannf> Odd_Bloke: ack
[17:02] <tseliot> Riddell: grepping through the lightdm sources, I've found debian/lightdm.config which contains the following (stolen from xdm): http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10774657/
[17:03] <tseliot> Riddell: also, what I was saying is that my patch is useless since things won't work on log out anyway, as sddm won't restart X on logout
[17:20] <Riddell> tseliot: so it's based on X restarting which sddm doesn't do?
[17:22] <tseliot> Riddell: yep. So having a working login is the only thing we can get now (which is still better than a black screen)
[17:23] <tseliot> Riddell: and for that we simply need: 1) the default display manager file, 2) a slight change in gpu-manager (which I only have to upload), and 3) the DisplayCommand entry in sddm.conf
[17:25] <Riddell> tseliot: 3) is done, I guess I need to work out what this .config file is doing
[17:26] <tseliot> Riddell: it's just debconf black magic. I think a simple copy & paste should work
[17:30] <tseliot> Riddell: so, the .config file, and the relevant parts of .postinst and .prerm. You really can't miss them, as they have $DEFAULT_DISPLAY_MANAGER_FILE in them
[17:30] <tseliot> copy & paste those parts and it should work
[17:32] <mdeslaur> Riddell: can you test the fix for 1400730 please? Else, it will get superseded by a security update soon.
[17:32] <Riddell> bug 1400730
[17:33] <Riddell> ah yes that's been on my todo list for months
[17:33] <mdeslaur> Riddell: thanks
[17:38] <Riddell> tseliot: nothing there seems to create DEFAULT_DISPLAY_MANAGER_FILE it only does something if it exists
[17:44] <tseliot> Riddell: that's what the .config script does. I also forgot to mention the .templates file. This document explains how it works: http://www.fifi.org/doc/debconf-doc/tutorial.html#AEN113
[17:46] <Riddell> tseliot: I think it's lightdm.postinst which makes the file
[17:47] <tseliot> Riddell: if it doesn't exist, yes: echo "$DAEMON_NAME" > "$DEFAULT_DISPLAY_MANAGER_FILE"
[17:47] <Riddell> right
[17:47] <tseliot> you need debconf only to ask the user if more choices are available
[20:43] <octoquad> Hi, for Remmina upstream patches, should this be provided as a debdiff or bzr branch for affected releases?
[21:56] <freyes> octoquad, it's up to the maintainer of the package, but they usually prefer a debdiff
[22:11] <infinity> dannf / Odd_Bloke: You shouldn't actually have to press a key to continue (despite the prompt claiming otherwise), it times out in a few seconds.
[22:12] <infinity> dannf / Odd_Bloke: If that's not true, it's not the bug I'm thinking of, but I'm pretty sure it it.
[22:12] <dannf> infinity: i think there are 2 bugs - one w/ the video error, the other due to a misinstalled grub spitting syntax errors
[22:13] <infinity> dannf: Ahh, the syntax error thing is different indeed.  The video mode and "press any key to continue" bits, though, we see on PPC, and they're harmless, just annoying.


[08:59] <mds457> hey guys new to studio(oldubuntu user). just setting up a pc with it,love it so far. Problem. integrating dropbox to thunar. I have fixed the missing icon problem. But cant get the integration to work. Cant find a package to install?
[09:04] <mds457> Tried sudo apt-get install thunar-dropbox-plugin which installed ok, but nothing seems to have changed.
[09:08] <mds457_> ahh ok right click does bring up dropbox functions.. but the folder icons that indicate their status does not show. not a major drama.. will do for now
[14:28] <lepine_> hi, everybody
[14:28] <lepine_> i need help
[18:08] <studio-user087> ciao a tutti?
[18:11] <zequence> studio-user087: Hi
[18:11] <zequence> !it
[20:39] <studio-user736> question for you
[20:39] <studio-user736> i've salvaged three old computers and put ubuntu studio on them. i'm donating them to a makerspace in a local library.
[20:40] <studio-user736> Because they only have 80gb HDD's, i'd like to install some kind of software that wipes the local drive upon every reboot. Do you guys know of anything like this in the linux repositories?
[21:12] <OvenWerks> missed them...
[21:57] <runordie> i lost connection - asked the makerspace question
[21:57] <runordie> i can be contact on reddit as runordie
[21:57] <runordie> i appreciate your guys' help


[00:02] <user|97432> Hello
[00:07] <user|97432> Just want to know if I want to work with audiovisual production, wich is the best distro working on a mac book pro 2012 and with a multichannel audio interface
[02:19] <bigfluff> It's been so long since I've used a KDE-based distro, but Gnome is starting to wear on me some
[02:19] <bigfluff> Thinking about giving the new Kubuntu release a shot
[02:20] <bigfluff> How receptive has this community been towards the latest LTS?
 I can no longer scan with Skanlite (or other) in 20.04 from a HP printer. Is there updated firmware I need to get from somewhere?
 @Anarchotaoist, Did you try installing hplip?
 Yes, it is already installed. Scanning worked in 19.10 but no working in 20.04.
 When launching the scanning sw, do you have "multiple" detected scanners to select?  The one all in one HP printer/scanner I seen in 20.04 required such a selection.  Only the very bottom option worked.
 Yes, I tried all options, both wifi and USB. USB throws up an error for i/o connection. The network options allow a pre-san but then fail on the actual scan. This is happening on both my laptop and desktop!
 I found this bug and it is suppose to be fixed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hplip/+bug/1876205
 yes!
 Perhaps not fixed for the QT version yet??
 HP just released a new hplip dirver, but I have not tried it, have you? https://developers.hp.com/hp-linux-imaging-and-printing/gethplip
 No - "Note that all GUI utilities are based on the Qt GUI environment. There are currently no equivalent utilities based on GTK+."
 @DarinMiller, I'll have a look, thanks!
 Did the new HP driver work?
 @DarinMiller, Hey Darin, thanks for the follow up. No, I am running the HP driver installer and get this:
 Please wait, this may take several minutes... … error: Package install command failed with error code 100
 error: Command failed. Re-try #3... … Running 'sudo apt-get install --assume-yes python-pyqt5'
 I installed python 3 and pyqt-5 but get the same error.
 hmm, perhaps it specifically requires python2? Can a system run both python 2 & 3 or should I uninstall python3 then install python2?
 I cannot seem to install the python-pyqt5 dependency with python 2!
 anarcho@Vampa:~$ sudo apt install python2 … Reading package lists... Done … Building dependency tree        … Reading state information... Done … python2 is already the newest version (2.7.17-2ubuntu4). … python2 set to manually installed. … 0 to upgrade, 0 to newly install, 0 to remove and 0 not to upgrade. … anarcho@Vampa:~$ pip install python-pyqt5 … Command 'pip' not found, but there are 18 similar ones.
[05:44] <leandro> alguem vivo
[05:44] <leandro> :P
[05:44] <leandro> hello
[06:57] <viktor_> Hi. All my desktop wallpapers disappear everytime i switch activities. I'm using ext moni (if it might be related). ANyone has any ideas?
[08:32] <somekool> Thank you Kubuntu
[09:02] <suprit> Hey, Linux noob here, wanted to ask whether there's an easy way to remap keyboard keys, preferably with a GUI
[09:03] <suprit> To be more specific, I want to map the left ctrl key to fullstop
[09:03] <suprit> right ctrl, my bad
[09:30] <mparillo> There are standard, global, and custom shortcuts available in System Settings.
[10:29] <rawb> Any experience using kwin_lowlatency or kwinft on kubuntu? Is there any significant benifit using it?
[10:33] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:34] <masonbee-M> Afternoon
[10:40] <troozers> Morning all, quick question; just updated my ubuntu and it pulled down a kernel update (5.4.0-31) and now when i boot it doesn't load the snd_hda_intel driver - so I have no audio
[10:41] <troozers> Have rebooted into the older kernel and that works, just seems to be an issue with 5.4.0-31
[10:41] <troozers> Is there anything I can do to try and force it to load the driver?
[10:56] <BluesKaj> troozers, check alsamixer and make sure the automute is diabled , and run sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel just to make sure the driver loads properly, there will be no output from the command if it loads.
[11:03] <troozers> not muted, as it doesn't even list the card.  Ran modprobe but it doesn't seem to have enabled the card
[11:04] <troozers> inxi -SMA provides the following; https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NYbQTTRV28/
[11:05] <troozers> Previous kernel would show "snd_hda_intel" next to Device-1 instead of "N/A"
[11:12] <BluesKaj> after running modprobe you might have to reboot
[11:13] <troozers> ok, will try now
[11:16] <troozers> Unfortunately same situation, doesn't seem to want to load up the snd-hda-intel driver onto Device-1
[11:18] <BluesKaj> t6o run this to see what's loaded lspci -v | grep -A7 -i "audio"
[11:18] <BluesKaj> troozers,^
[11:19] <BluesKaj> if anything
[11:19] <troozers> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Q3FXmGQYT6/
[11:23] <troozers> This is the same output but done under the previous kernel; https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/D3NhQCwGBG/
[11:25] <troozers> Difference seems to be in "kernel driver in use" and the fact that it hasn't identified it as a Audio Device
[11:25] <troozers> well it has, but it puts "00:1f.3" at the beginning
[11:27] <BluesKaj> ok, try this, open /etc/modprobe/alsa-base.conf add this line to the bottom of the file, options snd-hda-intel index=0, then save the file. it should solifify the driver usage to the intel
[11:28] <troozers> Done, will reboot
[11:32] <troozers> Same thing I'm afraid
[11:33] <troozers> snd_hda_intel seems to bind to the NVIDIA HDMI Audio device, but not the Intel 200 Series Audio device
[11:35] <BluesKaj> since you also have a nvidia gpu the default audio can get confused by the hdmi or dp connection. I had to muck about with using the media players audo settings to use the correct HW, aslo make sure your pavucontrol volume is at least 80%
[11:36] <troozers> Is there a way to disable the GPU audio device?
[11:37] <BluesKaj> not advisable, best to choose the audio device in the media player , usually once that is set and working you're back in business
 @Reni3_, Boot
[11:38] <troozers> unfortunately none of the media devices show the intel audio device to set volume or default - it's just missing
[11:39] <BluesKaj> which media player do you use ?
[11:40] <troozers> VLC, Elisa, and Firefox for youtube
[11:41] <troozers> Nothing shows the Intel device, just the HDMI Audio
[11:45] <troozers> I shall revert back to the previous kernel and hope that a fix comes out soon
[11:45] <BluesKaj> is pulseaudio listed?
[11:46] <troozers> Pulseaudio Volume Control is
[11:46] <troozers> Output devices within there only shows the HDMI Audio Controller
[11:47] <BluesKaj> troozers, no need to revert your kernel, this may help, https://askubuntu.com/questions/78780/how-can-i-disable-an-audio-hdmi-device
[11:56] <troozers> OK, tried that and it removed the HDMI device and replaced it with a "Dummy Audio"
[11:56] <troozers> rebooted and intel device still not seen.  Have rebooted and chose 5.4.0-29 kernel and all works OK
[12:01] <BluesKaj> well, if you're happy with that but reverting to an older kernel should be temporary at best...I know there's a fix, but it's been a while since I saw it last so I've forgotten.
[12:42] <troozers> yeah, it's temporary whilst I investigate options and see what happens with later updates
[13:27] <emlj> Buen día, tengo una inquietud, esta es mi distribución favorita, tengo solo un problema con la aplicación de Spotify, al inicio funciona bien pero de un momento a otro queda congelado aunque sigue sonando, me toca cerrarlo y voverlo a abrir, como puedo solucionar este error? gracias
[13:29] <diogenes_> !es | emlj
[13:30] <emlj> Tuve Ubuntu pero ahí no tenía inconvenientes, sólo ha sido en Kubuntu
[13:33] <troozers> Hi all, I have a device that only seems to be blacklisted when using a specific kernel.  If I use the latest ubuntu kernel, dmesg shows me "snd_hda_intel 0000:00:1f.3: Skipping the blacklisted device"
[13:34] <troozers> This isn't listed within any configs in /etc/modprobe.d
[13:34] <troozers> and it doesn't happen when I load a previous kernel
[13:34] <troozers> It's also not blacklisted in the GRUB (/etc/default/grub) as far as I can see
[13:35] <troozers> is there any other places i should look?
[17:12] <mario__> FILM
[17:42] <tiox> I have a piece of software I am trying to use in Ubuntu 20.04 which doesn't declare Qt4 as a dependency but says that it will not open because libQtGui.so.4 is missing. Is there a way I can add in a equivalent to Qt4 without having to rip out Qt5?
[17:48] <oerheks>  tiox in a VM perhaps? old 16.04 i think?
[18:14] <genii> libqtgui4 seems to still have been available in Eoan also. You could do something semi-tricky like unpack the Eoan libqtgui4 deb file into someplace like /home/your-username/Qt4stuff    ...and then add that path to your PATH
[18:19] <genii> ( or pass apt an option changing the: Dir "/" to somewhere like that, add Eoan repos as if a PPA in a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/qt4-repo-names.list)
[18:19] <genii> ...a few different tactics
 Hey, I recently installed kubuntu 20 LTS, I'm unable to install Firefox Developer's Edition and also Google Chrome kept crashing. could you please suggest a fix?
[19:23] <oerheks> for chrome, remove ~/.config/google-chrome  and restart browser
[19:23] <oerheks> FF dev edition??
[19:24] <oerheks> all i know is the snap version, beta https://snapcraft.io/firefox
 @oerheks, Yeah, https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/developer/
 @oerheks, Could you please explain in detail?
[19:30] <oerheks> if you click your url, you get a FF 77 bzr, snap v 77 is much easier, and get updated
 Okay
[22:08] <sebastian> irc://irc.irchighway.net/ebooks
[22:31] <sebastian> Undernet


[00:41] <uebera||jt> so have OHCI and EHCI enabled in the config
[00:41] <uebera||jt> peerce += 1;
 must be old. 2.6 isn't supported any more
[02:20] <der-onkel> they block outbound traffic, you have to use an external gateway
[02:20] <der-onkel> like random stuff
[02:59] <almCU> grr12314: it's not really proper, but it'll work probably
[02:59] <almCU> the module is b43 ?
[02:59] <almCU> or is it a bug in a real HP calculator?
[04:54] <xenocidewikiqL> vim is (was?) about being focused on text editing
[04:54] <xenocidewikiqL> xq: maybe smthing like: int i; string s; std::getline(std::getline(in >> i, s, '\''), s, '\'');
[05:45] <mapuYQ> and fails to connect to the db.
[05:46] <mapuYQ> free tibet and tiananmen massacre etc
[05:46] <mapuYQ> where is Tony
[05:46] <mapuYQ> VoIP server responds at exterIP:1026
[05:46] <mapuYQ> How do I set "Always On Top"  in this file:    https://salsa.debian.org/debconf-video-team/ansible/blob/master/roles/voctomix/templates/videoteam-cutlist.desktop.j2  [Desktop Entry]
[05:53] <lambdafunk> do we get anything similarly nice for Q_p and C_p?
[05:53] <lambdafunk> you have a commented out one
[05:53] <lambdafunk> your keyboard explodes
[05:53] <lambdafunk> can you send me the code? doubt I'd be of much help, but it's a fresh pair of eyes at least
[05:53] <lambdafunk> receiveMessages = forever . messageCallback
[05:53] <lambdafunk> its hopeless
[08:03] <dreamon_> So that e.g. windows users could download .zip from github and build.
[08:03] <dreamon_> yeah, that'll be an issue
[11:08] <paradoxspirallI> a class/struct has members: data members are pretty much just like variables, member functions live inside the scope of the struct/class and automatically know which object they are being used with
[11:08] <paradoxspirallI> superlinux: pkg-config is for C libraries
[11:49] <devicenullpi> Thanks furq, you are a lifesaver
[11:49] <devicenullpi> -D means delete, so if there isn't one matching it, it can't delete it.
[11:49] <devicenullpi> or they could look at your scanner purchase history
[11:49] <devicenullpi> johnw: the machinery around custom combinators has become very opaque and is not documented anywhere
[11:49] <devicenullpi> # read -r ID horridpath <<<'1337 C:\Documents And Settings/osse\hello world\main.exe '; printf 'ID: <%s>\nhorridpath: <%s>\n' "$ID" "$horridpath"
[14:13] <JanCAu> no i just have old crap surrounding me
[14:13] <JanCAu> from some page called ffmpeg tricks
[14:35] <signal11LK> unyu: The lower triangular matrix comes from the product of the inverses of the elimination matrices, which I'm pretty sure is still lower triangular regardless
[14:35] <signal11LK> actually, it's ubiquit lagging behind lol.. https://help.ubnt.com/hc/en-us/articles/220066768-UniFi-How-to-Install-Update-via-APT-on-Debian-or-Ubuntu
[14:35] <signal11LK> epony: thanks for the explanation. I wished I would be more up to date with my electro physics class in high school. ;-)
[15:25] <helldoradotJ> sibiria: oxygen
[15:25] <helldoradotJ> oiaohm: mixed ldap servers, or clients? who cares if you have to run the server on specific platform... you pick what works best for your service
[15:26] <helldoradotJ> another good reason to separate MTA and MSA is unveil()ing the separate spools ^.^
[15:26] <helldoradotJ> There's an error in week 2 or 3 or so that'll probably stop you, be sure to check back in here when it does
[15:26] <helldoradotJ> told him it was "easy".  good to know I wasn't lying.
[15:26] <helldoradotJ> http://www.karelia.com/watson/ Watson got Sherlocked drac_boy
[15:41] <QuimbyVn> ioria: absent
[15:41] <QuimbyVn> bomb-on: above 4g decoding
[15:41] <QuimbyVn> tomreyn: why do I need to make sure it's GPT? I googled it, apparently the difference is only about for the limit of partition size and number?
[15:41] <QuimbyVn> LucidDreamZzZ: not if you're selling it as a service with TOS that doesn't grant you that ability
[18:02] <dhollin3> Allright, there's some kind of a log for this then? Without having to open up the HEAD file?
[18:02] <dhollin3> maybe click my US GOV Department of Labor link on APPRENTICESHIPS in the USA and learn something


[07:26] <mup> Bug #1450719 was opened: 1.8b4 Boot image notification showing while images are downloading <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1450719>
[09:27] <wojdev> I would like to start hacking maas, I am looking for a bug I could fix to guide my learning process. I have setup dev env as suggested on the “hacking maas”.
[09:28] <wojdev> now, I try to iron out few errors (probably caused by my machine setup) in tests
[09:35] <rbasak> roaksoax: ^^
[10:21] <mup> Bug #1450765 was opened: 1.8b4: Can't delete block of 151 nodes - delete operation fails afterwards <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1450765>
[15:45] <bmorriso> My first failed deployment with MAAS :( http://paste.ubuntu.com/10955562/  I have no idea where this command is getting ran from. I don't see this block in any curtin files
[18:23] <heartones> does anyone here successfully installed maas with enlisted and deployed nodes?
[18:29] <heartones> why maas installed its self to two different interfaces when my server has more interfaces connected?
[20:00] <cmug> so I just installed 15.04 with MAAS on a virtual machine, and in 'Networks' I cannot see any interfaces. Any tips?
[20:01] <cmug> i have eth0 and eth1, eth0 is configured as part of OS installation and works fine. I want eth1 to be my cluster network
[20:03] <cmug> also I cannot see eth0 network configured in MAAS, in my previous test installations it was there automatically after installation..
[21:48] <mpontillo> heartones: cmug: which version of MAAS are you using? I recommend the stable PPA at https://launchpad.net/~maas-maintainers/+archive/ubuntu/stable
[21:50] <mpontillo> cmug: also, MAAS is primarily tested on Trusty, so I think you'll have better luck on 14.04.


[16:23] <bdmurray> Hi, I'm having some difficulty with mythweb after upgrading from Trusty to Xenial.  Here's a traceback - http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/19187384/
[19:21] <tgm4883> bdmurray: have you enabled the mythbuntu repos?
[19:22] <tgm4883> http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos
[19:42] <bdmurray> tgm4883: I'm using the 0.28 ppa
[19:45] <bdmurray> tgm4883: and php7.0 fwiw
[19:46] <tgm4883> bdmurray: hmm. Can you check your mythweb.conf file and see if it specifies the db credentials
[19:46] <tgm4883> I know they tried to get that to autoconf in 0.28 but I don't think it was working properly
[19:47] <bdmurray> tgm4883: it does and they are correct
[19:48] <bdmurray> tgm4883: I tried writing some php to dump the _SERVER array and none of the db_ stuff is in there though
[19:48] <bdmurray> tgm4883: you meant /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/mythweb.conf right?
[19:49] <tgm4883> yea
[19:49] <tgm4883> let me ssh to my backend
[19:52] <tgm4883> bdmurray: can you pastebin a "dpkg -l | grep -E '(php|myth)'"
[19:54] <bdmurray> https://paste.ubuntu.com/19206185/
[19:56] <tgm4883> bdmurray: hmm, that all looks good to me
[19:56] <tgm4883> bdmurray: I assume you've tried restarted apache already?
[19:56] <tgm4883> bdmurray: can you pastebin your mythweb.conf file?
[19:58] <bdmurray> tgm4883: Restarted lots of times. ;-) https://paste.ubuntu.com/19206532/
[19:59] <tgm4883> hmm
[20:00] <tgm4883> lines 29 and 32 are wrong
[20:00] <tgm4883> well, probably wrong
[20:00] <tgm4883> bdmurray: what's the output of "ls /var/www/"
[20:00] <bdmurray> bdmurray@flash:~$ ls /var/www/
[20:00] <bdmurray> html  index.html  mythweb
[20:01] <bdmurray> mythweb is a symlink to /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/
[20:01] <tgm4883> bdmurray: what's the output of "ls /var/www/html" and "ls /var/www/mythweb"
[20:01] <tgm4883> ok
[20:01] <tgm4883> what about that html dir
[20:01] <tgm4883>  /var/www/html
[20:02] <bdmurray> that contains the same mythweb symlink
[20:02] <tgm4883> hmm ok
[20:03] <tgm4883> I know apache started using /var/www/html in 2.4, but I don't see why that would be causing issues since you have the symlink in the old location
[20:04] <tgm4883> bdmurray: is any part of mythweb working?
[20:05] <tgm4883> I'm not a PHP expert, but that error seems to be a connection issue with the DB
[20:05] <bdmurray> tgm4883: no, I just get a dir listing and the error message I originally paste binned
[20:05] <tgm4883> the host was just upgraded? same hostname/IP?
[20:07] <bdmurray> tgm4883: yes, as a debugging step I modify database.php to print the _SERVER array and get nothing
[20:07] <bdmurray> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/19207358/
[20:07] <bdmurray> lines 3 and 4
[20:09] <bdmurray> but I don't know php at all
[20:09] <tgm4883> Yea I don't really know PHP either
[20:10] <tgm4883> I suppose it's possible it's broken in your version. I've got the june 9th build. I can upgrade when I get home to test
[20:10] <tgm4883> I'd try just flipping the two directories in the mythweb.conf file and see if it gets any better, if not then maybe ask in #mythtv-users
[20:10] <tgm4883> I'll be home in about 4 hours
[20:11] <bdmurray> tgm4883: okay, thanks
[20:12] <tgm4883> bdmurray: if it helps, here's my mythweb.conf
[20:12] <tgm4883> http://termbin.com/9sa9
[20:16] <bdmurray> tgm4883: hmm, its mostly working now. However, there are a couple of errors.
[20:16] <tgm4883> what did you change? just the dir?
[20:17] <bdmurray> tgm4883: yeah, just the two directory entries
[20:17] <tgm4883> ok
[20:18] <tgm4883> so what's still erroring?
[20:20] <bdmurray> Warning: Unknown: function '0' not found or invalid function name in Unknown on line 0
[20:20] <bdmurray> Warning at /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/includes/session.php, line 21:
[20:20] <bdmurray> !!NoTrans: session_start(): Cannot send session cookie - headers already sent!!
[20:25] <bdmurray> tgm4883: ah, that was likely because of enabling these two lines
[20:25] <bdmurray> #            php_value display_startup_errors        On
[20:25] <bdmurray> #            php_value display_errors                On
[20:25] <tgm4883> hmm ok
[20:25] <bdmurray> I don't see the warnings after commenting them out.
[20:25] <tgm4883> so then is everything working?
[20:25] <bdmurray> seems like it, beers to you!
[20:36] <tgm4883> bdmurray: careful what you say, I think we're relatively not far apart
[20:37] <bdmurray> But its separate states!
[20:37] <tgm4883> bdmurray: are you not in Oregon anymore?
[20:38] <bdmurray> tgm4883: I'm in Camas, WA.  Its still the Portland Metropolitan Statistical Area though.
[20:39] <tgm4883> ah
[21:14]  * mschoolbus is at war with mysql.
[21:25] <mschoolbus> i guess updating breaks everything on 16.04?
[22:11] <mschoolbus> ffs
[22:13] <mschoolbus> does 16.04 work?
[22:18] <mschoolbus> found my answer: no
[22:59] <mschoolbus> seriously what is mysql's problem? now it's failing on 14.04.4?!
[23:00] <mschoolbus> Errors were encountered while processing:
[23:00] <mschoolbus>  mysql-server-5.7
[23:00] <mschoolbus>  mysql-server
[23:00] <mschoolbus>  mythtv-backend-master
[23:00] <mschoolbus> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)


[04:38] <bazhang> multiple trolls detected
[07:18] <bazhang>  [Guest29238] (~simple@<IP_ADDRESS>): Stalin vs Hitler
[10:26] <remoteCTRL>  ocean	are you a community? because if so you should get used to the thought that there are people who have other opinions thyn you my freind, and for that you go and kick me out of the channel?
[10:26] <Myrtti> you are free and welcome to rant about unity in #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:26] <Myrtti> you're not welcome to do so in #ubuntu
[10:27] <remoteCTRL> Myrtti: i am ranting about exactly nothing, that is the point there was a valid question, i answered it
[10:28] <oCean> remoteCTRL: I don't like Unity any more than you do, and your opinion is definitely not why I muted you
[10:28] <remoteCTRL> ya you muted me because i asked you to stop harrassing me
[10:29] <Myrtti> if you have issues with ops, you're welcome to join here, instead of ranting about them in #ubuntu
[10:29] <remoteCTRL> oCean: you see i dont like being bullied
[10:29] <Myrtti> rants in general aren't what we want in there
[10:29] <oCean> remoteCTRL: you don't like rules you mean?
[10:29] <remoteCTRL> Myrtti: i necer wished to discuss anythung, i never wished do cause a fuzz
[10:29] <remoteCTRL> i was asked something i asnwered.
[10:29] <remoteCTRL> oCean: i dont like your ways dude
[10:30] <oCean> ways? or rules?
[10:30] <pangolin> remoteCTRL, since you don't wish to cause a fuss, drop it and move on.
[10:30] <oCean> guidelines?
[10:30] <pangolin> also
[10:30] <pangolin> !guidelines
[10:30] <pangolin> they apply to everybody.
[10:30] <pangolin> NO exceptions
[10:30] <remoteCTRL> well... i do really hope so.
[10:32] <remoteCTRL> well there we go "Keeping a pleasant atmosphere in #ubuntu has been the main cause for it to be such an attractive place". cannot see that in oCean's behaviuor...
[10:32] <remoteCTRL> so
[10:32] <remoteCTRL> moving on:)
[10:32] <pangolin> Can we assume you agree to follow the guidelines?
[10:34] <remoteCTRL> pangolin: i am a perfecct guideline follower, SIR!
[10:34] <pangolin> Good to hear.
[10:35] <remoteCTRL> pangolin: yet still you claim "to keep the channel friendly and to keep people happy". as you said, the rules apply for everybody. so please dont harrass people in the channel, ok?
[10:35] <pangolin> remoteCTRL, hmm
[10:35] <oCean> remoteCTRL: so if any channel OP is pointing out that certain behavirour is not in accordance with the guidelines, you won't react the way you did?
[10:35] <pangolin> gimme a sec
[10:36] <pangolin> any channel user including op
[10:36] <pangolin> but....
[10:36] <remoteCTRL> oCean: first of all, i have no idea whether you are a channel op or not
[10:36] <remoteCTRL> second you complaint about me RANTING
[10:36] <pangolin> This is our sandbox. We decide who we allow to play in it. if we feel you are not following our rules. You don't get to play with us any more.
[10:36] <remoteCTRL> totally wrong choice of words, because i wasnt
[10:37] <remoteCTRL> pangolin: are you of the opinion that that is an appropriate attitude for somebody dependent to this extent on his community?
[10:38] <pangolin> I have no idea what you just said
[10:38] <pangolin> I know all the words, don't know what you meant
[10:38] <remoteCTRL> i did NOT insult anybody or anythiung else, i was NOT ranting, i was asked a question and i answered it
[10:38] <remoteCTRL> pangolin: what is it that you dont understand?
[10:38] <pangolin> "are you of the opinion that that is an appropriate attitude for somebody dependent to this extent on his community?"
[10:38] <pangolin> that.
[10:39] <remoteCTRL> you said it is YOUR sandbox
[10:39] <pangolin> right
[10:39] <remoteCTRL> who are YOU?
[10:39] <pangolin> I said OUR and I am a op of #ubuntu
[10:40] <pangolin> chosen by the IRC Community council elected by the Ubuntu members.
[10:40] <remoteCTRL> so #ubuntu is you rproperty orm how may i understand this?
[10:40] <remoteCTRL> mhm i see
[10:40] <pangolin> not mine specifically but I and other ops in this channel have been granted the authority to decide how to manage the channel.
[10:40] <remoteCTRL> so it is exactly this community who will take away your privileges very quickly if they feel that you are abusing them, right?
[10:41] <pangolin> yes.
[10:41] <remoteCTRL> you see i am part of your community
[10:41] <pangolin> sure
[10:41] <remoteCTRL> and i am not happy with oCean talking to me
[10:41] <pangolin> but you are the one not conforming to the community guidelines.
[10:41] <remoteCTRL> iont his way
[10:42] <remoteCTRL> by answering a question in a help channel?
[10:42] <remoteCTRL> ok guys, i can see this is leading nowhere... as i said, i would like to move on.
[10:42] <pangolin> you know, this combative attitude you have. I am not liking.
[10:42] <remoteCTRL> no hard feelings
[10:43] <remoteCTRL> pangolin: so PLEASE lets stop arguing about a problem that i had with oCean, ok?
[10:43] <remoteCTRL> once more; no hard feelings
[10:43] <pangolin> I'm not feeling comfortable with allowing you to speak in #ubuntu at this time. I'm worried you may take it out on other users because you feel we mistreated you.
[10:43] <remoteCTRL> how did i make the impression?
[10:43] <pangolin> give it 24 hrs and we can see then about you having access to the channel.
[10:44] <remoteCTRL> hehehehe
[10:44] <remoteCTRL> mhm sure
[10:44] <remoteCTRL> if you think that would be best :D
[10:44] <pangolin> I honestly do
[10:45] <remoteCTRL> once more the question: what makes you think i would now insult or harass anybody because i have had a problem with oCean which you have jusat made your's
[10:45] <remoteCTRL> i ma an adult and neither am i mentally sick or anything else and i can very well differenciate who i do have a problem with
[10:45] <pangolin> because the problem you had is not with oCean it is with how you perceived oCean treated you. He treated you the same way he would have any other user who was "ranting" about UI's
[10:46] <remoteCTRL> as far as i can see you are looking for a reason to sanction me now
[10:46] <remoteCTRL> so you are saying that you personally would have reacted in exactly the same way
[10:47] <pangolin> had I been paying attention to #ubuntu at the time, probably would have, yes.
[10:47] <remoteCTRL> mhm
[10:47] <remoteCTRL> i see
[10:47] <remoteCTRL> well take it as feedback from the cummunity that there are people who feel that this behaviour is not appropriate.
[10:48] <pangolin> We will take that into consideration.
[10:48] <Myrtti> let's take a step back and look at the big picture: since Unity was made the default UI for Ubuntu, we've had people come in and give us all levels of "feedback" about it. Not support questions or problems, "feedback". Usually ranting.
[10:48] <remoteCTRL> thank you
[10:48] <remoteCTRL> Myrtti: i am sorry about that
[10:48] <remoteCTRL> for sure you guys put alot of effort into it
[10:49] <remoteCTRL> and i am sure that you would therefore prefer to hear constructive criticism
[10:49] <Myrtti> and because the channel is - nowadays and for several years now - been strictly support only, having this "feedback" in the channel does make the support ever so harder
[10:49] <Myrtti> we're not the receptable for constructive criticism.
[10:49] <remoteCTRL> you should anyways not take it personally
[10:49] <Myrtti> most of the people on the channel have no way of dealing with it, or making things better - as it's only support channel
[10:50] <Myrtti> if you have constructive criticism to give, please do so in appointed areas - bug reports, mailing lists or developer channels.
[10:50] <remoteCTRL> mhm yet still i am unter the impression that there are also developers here? at leas occasionaly? i talked to one once, his name just escapes me...
[10:51] <Myrtti> occasionally yes - but still in supporter role as no development work is done in #ubuntu
[10:51] <remoteCTRL> Myrtti: please. folks. take into consideratin what i keep saying: it wasn't about criticism or ranting, SOMEBODY ASKED A QUESTION. I ANSERED IT.
[10:51] <remoteCTRL> sure...
[10:52] <pangolin> The thing is that it is not the right channel for discussing preferred UI's
[10:52] <remoteCTRL> look guys, i am a systems op at out local university, and i have been contirbuting to the community ON A DAILY BASIS
[10:52] <Myrtti> great.
[10:52] <remoteCTRL> i think so too
[10:52] <remoteCTRL> and that is why i also think that i should be allowed to speak my mind
[10:52] <pangolin> we don't use a karma system, 1 good != right to 1 bad
[10:53] <remoteCTRL> and then ok, next time somebody asks for alternatives for a desktop i will ask him to join 'offtpoic right away, just as i did like 3 minutes before that with one other guy
[10:53] <pangolin> perfect
[10:53] <pangolin> that is all we ask
[10:53] <remoteCTRL> so are we clear?
[10:53] <remoteCTRL> all i ask is to be treated politely:)
[10:56] <oCean> remoteCTRL: Can you accept that, if anyone, not just ops, but anyone is asking you to stop discussing a certain topic, or certain behaviour, we expect you to do so? And not talkback like "i can do without you policing me every two minutes"
[10:56] <oCean> ?
[10:56] <oCean> And if you feel mistreated in any way, you /join here, in stead of starting an argument?
[10:57] <remoteCTRL> oCean: i will sure do in the future
[10:57] <remoteCTRL> join here i mean *g*
[10:57] <oCean> Great
[10:57] <remoteCTRL> ok guys lets all calm down ok?
[10:57] <remoteCTRL> once more
[10:57] <remoteCTRL> no hard feelings
[10:57] <remoteCTRL> ok?
[10:58] <oCean> remoteCTRL: fine, I'll unmute you in #ubuntu channel, just remember if you need us, we're here
[10:58] <remoteCTRL> oCean: thank you dude, i really appreciate the offer:)
[10:58] <oCean> remoteCTRL: you should be able to talk again
[10:59] <remoteCTRL> thanks
[11:01] <oCean> remoteCTRL: If there is nothing more at this point, please note our no-idling policy for this channel
[11:01] <remoteCTRL> oh, sure, see you:)
[12:19] <gry> followup please http://pastebin.ca/2131793
[12:20] <pangolin> you sure that is the right link?
[12:20] <pangolin> unable to connect
[12:20] <Myrtti> antispammeta warned that etz just did the xchat-wdk exploit
[12:21] <pangolin> I don't think it was an exploit attempt
[12:22] <Myrtti> u'\U0001f3e9', u'\U0001f42d' and u'\u2708'
[12:23] <Myrtti> the first one was the one my fonts couldn't display
[12:23] <pangolin> I see a a little "devil" face, a square, and an airplane
[12:25] <Myrtti> yeah, it's the square with 01F3E9 that worries me
[12:25] <Myrtti> and the emoji as well. the plane was normal utf8
[12:25] <pangolin> doesn't seem like anyone got disconnected from it
[12:26] <Myrtti> yeah
[12:26] <pangolin> aiui the exploit only affects after you click on the window it is in
[14:13] <bazhang> good luck with that strategy
[15:16] <pangolin> xchat foo!
[17:47] <ikonia> idoru is back and on the job
[17:49] <vibhav> Can my ban on #ubuntu be removed now?
[17:50] <ikonia> vibhav: for me - no, I still don't think you listen/follow instructions, I know others may have changed their view on that, so if they are willing to accept responsability I have no issue with them removing it
[17:53] <vibhav> ikonia: like?
[17:53] <ikonia> like what ?
[17:54] <vibhav> ikonia: Dont listen instructions, can instance of me doing it?
[17:55] <ikonia> vibhav: yeah sure
[17:55] <ikonia> you where told not to re-apply for membership for a couple of months until you'd done sustained contribution
[17:55] <ikonia> you applied a month later
[17:55] <ikonia> less than that I think
[17:56] <ikonia> you where told how to do translations on the project elky was working on and she said she'd sort it out in the morning as it was bed time
[17:56] <ikonia> instead your hassled her "to do it now"
[17:56] <ikonia> despite being told "wait until she's spoke to the other project memebrs"
[17:56] <ikonia> you carried on hassling
[17:56] <ikonia> good enough ?
[17:57] <vibhav> IS it called hassling?
[17:57] <ikonia> yes
[17:57] <ikonia> when someone has told you they will do something in $X ammount of time, or you need to wait $X ammount of time, and you ignore that and keep trying to get it done before $X has been reached
[17:58] <vibhav> Talking about sustained contribution, thats what I did
[17:58] <ikonia> no it's not
[17:58] <ikonia> you waited 4 weeks
[17:58] <ikonia> after being told " a couple of months at least"
[17:58] <vibhav> But I did contribute a lot
[17:58] <ikonia> you seem to struggle to grasp that sustained is "a period of time with quality input" not " a lot of input in a short period of time"
[17:59] <ikonia> but that's not the point, you asked for examples of you not listening and still being a pest - there you go, there are two examples straight from memory without me looking
[17:59] <vibhav> nevermind then
[18:12] <oCean> srry LjL
[18:13] <LjL> i'm slow, no scripts
[18:13] <oCean> <3 scripts
[18:15] <pangolin> stupid kids want to be "hackers" but can't figure out how to install a script.
[19:31] <SilverLion> meerkats, good evening how can we help you?
[19:33] <meerkats> u, sorry
[19:33] <meerkats> i have to unclick the "automatically connect to" this room
[19:34] <SilverLion> meerkats, please do so ;)
[19:34] <SilverLion> ideling is not allowed in here
[20:03]  * jussi notes jack_sparrow active in #ubuntu


[00:02] <ibeardslee> yeah the version upgrade via apt-get update && apt-get  dist-upgrade
[00:02] <ibeardslee> is just asking for trouble
[00:07] <snail> trying that now
[00:12] <mwhudson> the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade is not what one thinks it would be at first
[00:12] <mwhudson> or at least, it isn't what _I_ thought it would be at first
[00:13] <snail> mwhudson: i completely agree
[00:25] <ojwb> if you mean apt-get upgrade vs apt-get dist-upgrade, it's just that the latter can remove packages isn't it?
[00:29] <ibeardslee> nope
[00:30] <ibeardslee> upgrade upgrades existing packages
[00:31] <ibeardslee> dist-upgrade "also intelligently handles changing dependencies with new versions of packages
[00:31] <ibeardslee> "
[00:31] <ibeardslee> .. .. so yes I suppose it can remove packages
[00:31] <ibeardslee> but the key with dist-upgrade is that it'll also install new dependancies
[00:33] <ibeardslee> a dist-upgrade will upgrade linux-image but will also install linux-image-3.2.0-24-generic when it's time comes
[00:33] <ibeardslee> whereas an upgrade would only update linux-image
[02:44] <mwhudson> yay for wifi-related oopses
[02:45] <mwhudson> when is precise being released again? :)
[02:48] <thumper> mwhudson: very soon
[02:48] <thumper> thursday week
[02:48] <thumper> UK time
[02:48] <thumper> so Friday morning most likely
[02:48] <mwhudson> a fantastic time to find a new crash!
[02:48] <mwhudson> hopefully it's an old problem that just happens every six months or so
[02:49] <mwhudson> not a new problem in today's kernel...
[02:52] <hads> Things seem to be working okay here currently.
[19:33] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:52] <chilts> morning
[20:05] <snail> mōrena
[20:19] <Atamira> morning
[20:31] <ajmitch> morning
[20:47] <ojwb> morning