[04:50] <[Relic]> Anyone know how to get two monitors to have the proper default screens in 15.04?
[06:53] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:27] <danorby_> Does anyone run Trinity as their desktop?
[08:30] <danorby_> I cannot get ELF file to run when I double click on them.  They are setup as executables, but a double click asks "Open With...." but when I open terminal in the folder and I run via the terminal it works.
[08:37] <hateball> danorby_: Kubuntu uses Plasma
[08:37] <hateball> Didnt think Trinity was alive, at all
[08:37] <hateball> Surely they have their own channel
[08:38] <danorby_> Not that I am aware of
[10:05] <dexterlabs> Hi, I'm  running plasma 5.4, but sometimes after a locked session returns, and I've been afk for a while. the entire desktop is unresponsive.
[10:06] <dexterlabs> I can stop sddm and it relaunches successfully, but can you give advice on how to figure out what is going wrong?
[10:06] <dexterlabs> what logfiles should I check?
[10:13] <carlos> hi there
[10:13] <carlos> does anyone know how to disable kmail from autostart?
[10:45] <hermier> hi, I have 2 kubuntu system where muon doesn't seems to fetch the available updates until I manually do an update. What is the *service* that is supposed to do that update call ?
[10:49] <hateball> hermier: muon-updater should perform apt-get update in the background when it launches with your user-session
[10:51] <hermier> hateball: seems there is an other problem, might be related
[10:52] <hermier> I just updated the system (1 packages) and muon tray insist to say that there the update is still available
[10:53] <hateball> Yeah that's... my experience with muon as well :p
[10:57] <hermier> for me it is a minor annoyance because I run systematically run synaptic on startup, but the other machine is owned by a noob and rely on muon for updates
[10:57] <hermier> and it is annoying
[11:37] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:46] <jemand> Hi! What is it that keeps the the window-bar, the starter and the sys-tray from working.
[13:47] <jemand> Once in a while it reacts after minutes. Or it does not react.
[14:20] <sb_9> starting mount filesystems on boot fail
[15:53] <als> yjk
[15:53] <als> ?
[15:54] <als> hi!
[16:16] <patrol> hey, I try to upgrade to 15.10 beta from 15.04, but when I invoke kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade it says that there are no new releases
[16:28] <[Relic]> Anyone have any idea on how to get 15.04 to accept and make 2 xscreen desktops with two different monitors on one card?  All I get on the second one is a black screen with the icon X any time I mouse over it.
[16:34] <TJ-> [Relic]: I think that's a regression since 14.04
[16:35] <[Relic]> dual monitors work just fine in 14.10
[16:36] <TJ-> The multiple X screen problem is with kwin_x11 > plasmashell
[16:39] <gorgonzola> hello peoples. I have a laptop with an NVIDIA Optimus hybrid card, and I used to have it configured to work with bumblebee, with no issues. After updating to vivid and installing nvidia-current-updates, I noticed X is using the discrete NVIDIA card as default. How can I make sure that the discrete card is not used by X by default? I still want to have it available to use with bumblebee, so disabling it in BIOS or removing nvidia
[16:39] <gorgonzola> drivers is not an option. Thanks!
[16:45] <BluesKaj> gorgonzola:  not sure that bumblebee is supported in 15.04 any longer, and the nvidia  driver srequired for hybrid nvidia/intel Optimus graphics is the nvidia-prime afaik
[16:47] <gorgonzola> BluesKaj so does that mean that the default X video provider should always be the NVIDIA card under the new setup?
[16:50] <BluesKaj> gorgonzola:  not sure, thought the switcheroo app was added to make the load switch between the intel and nvidia gpus
[16:52] <CoffeeJ> hello, is it possible to get the phone numbers from my sim card in the phone connected by bluetooth into Kontacs (on kubuntu here) thx in advance
[16:54] <gorgonzola> BluesKaj switcheroo? never heard of that. I'll go RTFM, if i can find it. thanks for the tip
[17:00] <gorgonzola> BluesKaj: it seems the switcheroo mechanism olny works for machines with a hardware MUX. This one doesn't, the integrated video card has control over the VGA output and the discrete card is used for off-screen rendering that is then sent to the itegrated card as a stupid sink
[17:01] <[Relic]> So is there anyway to get two monitors running seperate xscreens properly on 15.04 or does it just handle single monitor set ups?
[17:03] <gorgonzola> BluesKaj: Solved it, in case someone else asks; nvidia-settings allows switching the default video card. installation of the propietary nvidia driver set the discrete card as default. Setting the intel card as default allows to configure bumblebee to use the discrete card on demand.
[17:20] <BluesKaj> gorgonzola:  so bumblee actually works then ?
[17:21] <gorgonzola> BluesKaj: not sure yet, I'm having trouble getting the right configuration. I'll report when I figure it out.
[17:21] <gorgonzola> BluesKaj: Where did you hear that bumblebee was not supported any more?
[17:21] <BluesKaj> err bumblebee even :-)
[17:23] <BluesKaj> oh after 14.10 or so in most 'buntu chats
[17:29] <gorgonzola> BluesKaj: ok, got the correct config values set, and it works.
[17:29] <gorgonzola> BluesKaj: with glxgears, at least... haven't tried with any AAA titles, but at least it's rendering pictures to the screen :)
[22:27] <Elsah> friend says he sees black screen when doing ctrl+alt+f1 on kubuntu 15.05
[22:27] <Elsah> er 15.04
[22:28] <finetundra> Elsah: fully blank or is there text?
[22:28] <Elsah> fully blank, apparently
[22:28] <finetundra> tell him to hit ctrl+alt+f7
[22:29] <Elsah> well...ctrl+alt+f7 that's another thing
[22:29] <finetundra> yes?
[22:29] <Elsah> i told him to do ctrl+alt+f1 beause he says he's stuck in some sort of 'mode' or something
[22:29] <Elsah> where he can only move windows
[22:29]  * Elsah totally doesn't understand that :p
[22:29] <Elsah> oh, so 'window mode' is a thing??
[22:30] <finetundra> erm
[22:30] <finetundra> can he text/im you a picture
[22:30] <finetundra> ?
[22:31] <Elsah> 5:31 PM - Rider in Red: It's kubuntu with the mouse acting as a tool to move windows and the keyboard disabled
[22:31] <Elsah> 5:31 PM - Rider in Red: It looks absolutely normal
[22:32] <finetundra> Elsah: I can't make any sense of that statement. A picture would be better
[22:34] <finetundra> Has he tried restarting?
[22:34] <finetundra> Elsah:
[22:36] <Elsah> indeeapparently not yet
[22:36] <Elsah> 5:35 PM - Rider in Red: Here, I hold left mouse button http://m.imgur.com/Vsmomu6
[22:36] <Elsah> 5:36 PM - Rider in Red: Right mouse button is left-right panning of selected window
[22:36] <Elsah> w
[22:36] <Elsah> 5:36 PM - Rider in Red: Middle mouse button moves it into the background
[22:37] <Elsah> 5:36 PM - Rider in Red: Er right mouse button is resize, my bad
[22:37] <Elsah> ...
[22:37] <finetundra> hang on
[22:38] <finetundra> Elsah: has he tried left clicking?
[22:39] <finetundra> It looks like he's in resize
[22:39] <finetundra> sorry, not resize, move
[22:40] <Elsah> finetundra, yeah
[22:40] <Elsah> he has it seems
[22:40] <Finetunrda_> alright
[22:40] <Elsah> Finetunrda_: it's super weird right?
[22:40] <Finetunrda_> Elsah: lets have him try ctrl+alt+f2. Ask him if any text appears
[22:41] <Finetunrda_> Elsah: you got that right
[22:43] <Finetunrda_> Elsah: did you set the system up or did he?
[22:43] <Elsah> 5:21 PM - Rider in Red: You know what ctrl alt f2 is
[22:43] <Elsah> 5:21 PM - Rider in Red: A black screen
[22:44] <Finetunrda_> Elsah: alright, tell him to force power off the machine. Just tell him to press and hold the power button till it turns off. Then have him turn it back on
[22:45] <Elsah> 5:44 PM - Aizexa: it's a virtual terminal
[22:45] <Elsah> 5:44 PM - Aizexa: at least pressing a key, you should get the 'Login' text flashing
[22:45] <Elsah> 5:45 PM - Rider in Red: no there has never been text
[22:47] <Finetunrda_> Elsah: Just have him force power it off.  Does it show up if you run "lsusb" in a terminal?
[23:50] <hay207> no it won't show
[23:51] <hay207> it is usb flash mobile broadband hawaei k3770
[23:52] <hay207> wait
[23:52] <hay207> it is showed now
[23:53] <hay207> Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd. K3770 3G Modem (Mass Storage Mode)


[02:32] <lucassec> Opa
[12:34] <Maik> website needs to be updated since 18.04 is EOL
[12:34] <Maik> 18.04 still shows on the download page
[14:03] <wipt> Installed the latest image and ended up with memtest86 only in grub?
[14:03] <wipt> Tried installing on another, older machine and it errored out trying to install the bootloader?
[15:43] <tomreyn> wipt: were there any errors during the installation?
[15:44] <tomreyn> bios or uefi boot?
[16:23] <wipt> On the older machine, yes, but it wouldn't let me try the other disk, or try again though it gave a dialoge giving options.
[16:23] <wipt> Had the thought that it may have been related to using ZFS, so I tried with the defaults -
[16:24] <wipt> It drops me into a busybox shell.
[16:26] <kryten> Did you verify the integrity of the image and the medium created from it?
[16:43] <wipt> kryten: I'll have to check that
[18:09] <wipt> Turns out I was using version 20, tried 21, more issues. ZFS, default, it would give a grub error on the default. Final time I tried it it submitted a error report.
[18:10] <wipt> Also thought it was odd when I selected minimal install, and not to update until after install, it installed everything anyways, and grabbed updates as well :/
[18:11] <wipt> Rufus doesn't seem to have an option to verify media, but I know the download was good because I used a torrent
[18:11] <tomreyn> i guess zfs is still marked as experimental?
[18:12] <wipt> yeah, I think it was
[18:12] <wipt> but the default still had issues, too
[18:12] <tomreyn> you can use cmp to compare the data written if it was a byte by byte copy
[18:12] <tomreyn> or balena etcher if you prefer a GUI and don't mind large downloads
[18:17] <wipt> I'm on Windows. Rufus breaks the iso out into a bootable image, so it won't have the same checksum
[18:18] <diogenes_> wipt, use dd mode in Rufus.
[18:31] <tomreyn> etcher is cross platform (read: works on windows) and really hard to use incorrectly, that's why i brought it up. but i'd also personally prefer a smaller utility, maybe also rufus, when forced to run ms windows.
[23:54] <wipt> writing the image in dd mode seemed to have done something, but it still throws me into Busybox on boot


[22:56] <usr13> lwizardl: I know quite a bit about gimp.
[22:56] <usr13> lwizardl: What do you need?
[22:56] <deany> kev2121, make a usb stick to install from
[22:56] <Lucinha> o
[22:57] <usr13> Mogga: Not really, no.  They can all listen and be used from the same IP
[22:57] <karel> I had xubuntu(8.0somethin), then I upgraded to ubuntu(9.04) from software update and now amarok/rhythmbox doesn't play mp3 files, well most of them, it plays very few ones - i don't know why, does anyone have any ideas, please?
[22:57] <kev2121> deany,  ok ..thanks ! :)
[22:57] <lwizardl> usr13, I need some help taking images and making lineart outlines from them
[22:57] <dingleberry> upgrading to the latest pidgin is hard
[22:57] <Mogga> i'll try it out tonight
[22:57] <Mogga> thanks
[22:57] <cornwall> karel: are you using totem?
[22:57] <deany> kev2121, or the usb-creator app if you are using ubuntu already....
[22:57] <cornwall> karel: duh, sorry, you already answered that
[22:58] <usr13> Mogga: It depends on what type of server it is.  If they are all different, they can all use same IP.
[22:58] <deany> kev2121, just download the iso and its easy from there.
[22:58] <cornwall> karel: gstreamer may be having an issue with the codec. You can try downloading "Totem (xine)" to make sure you have them
[22:58] <Mogga> usr13: i want them to have different ips to mirror what will eventually be the physical arrangement
[22:58] <deany> UbNoob, check this url.  about:plugins and see if the flash plugin is loaded
[22:58] <usr13> Mogga: Because a web server uses port 80 and an ftp server uses port 21
[22:58] <Mogga> usr13: rollout will be much easier
[22:59] <delopart> i cannot use sudo
[22:59] <delopart> when i try to use that
[22:59] <delopart> i take this message  elopart is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[22:59] <delopart> what can i do
[22:59] <kev2121> deany,  I can download it as a package? (the usb-creator)
[23:00] <Mogga> usr13: I see what you're saying - they'll need different IPs - two have web servers on them - one for rpc calls
[23:00] <usr13> Mogga: Then just create an alais for each.  ifconfig eth0:1  ; ifconfig eth0:2  ; ifconfig eth0:2   and then set IPs for each.
[23:00] <UbNoob> deany - I'm sorry....I was not being patient enough.  I can see the video now.  Just took a long time to show up.    Can I ask you then about facebook games?   I am unable to see the "play" buttons on them.  Would that be adobe also or something different?
[23:00] <Mogga> usr13: i can do that in the interfaces file right ?
[23:00] <delopart> any answer
[23:00] <deany> kev2121, System/Administration/USB startup disk
[23:00] <dingleberry> frig it
[23:01] <lwizardl> usr13, do you know how to do that?
[23:01] <deany> UbNoob, that might be about java....
[23:01] <UbNoob> ah, ok...JRE?
[23:01] <onexused> I see there are screenshots for some programs in synaptic, but not all.  Where could I contribute screenshots for the programs that I use?
[23:01] <usr13> Mogga: ifconfig eth0:1 <IP_ADDRESS> ; ifconfig eth0:2 <IP_ADDRESS> ; ifconfig eth0:3 <IP_ADDRESS>  etc....
[23:01] <deany> UbNoob, I dont know really..   sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras    (it installs other stuff too, but more likely you`ll need it sometime)
[23:01] <karel> cornwall : i did that, i think i did, well I had Totem, but I instlled totem-xine now, still no sound :( from rhythmbox/amarok
[23:02] <farid> azfz
[23:02] <cornwall> karel: no SOUND?
[23:02] <karel> I mean, they don't play mp3
[23:02] <UbNoob> deany - Thank you very much....I will give that a try.
[23:02] <delopart> hey  hey  hey
[23:02] <UbNoob> Artemis - Thank you too
[23:02] <usr13> lwizardl: Sorry, I've never made  lineart outlines
[23:03] <cornwall> karel: what does it do, does it give you an error, does it say "streaming", etc?
[23:03] <kev2121> deany, on Xubuntu is the same?
[23:03] <delopart> i cant do anything without sudo
[23:03] <delopart> how can i add user to sudoers
[23:03] <delopart> i dont have sudo
[23:03] <sacamano> Hey, random question. I bought a new external hd (1TB) and it's got an on/off switch. Should I unmount it before turning it off via on/off, or does it not matter?
[23:03] <ers> how can i upgrade 8.10 to have newer packages without reinstalling?
[23:03] <onexused> delopart: when logged in as root, use the command "visudo" and edit the file.
[23:03] <deany> kev2121, I guess so
[23:03] <cornwall> sacamano: ALWAYS unmount it first
[23:03] <usr13> lwizardl: If I saw one of the images, I might be able to figure it out, but don't even know what a "lineart outline" is in the first place.
[23:03] <sacamano> cornwall, ok. same goes for when im on windows?
[23:03] <delopart> i cannot login as root
[23:03] <deany> kev2121, it installs java and the java plugin and other stuff
[23:04] <delopart> how can i login root
[23:04] <cornwall> sacamano: If you don't unmount it, you have a possibility of data loss/corruption
[23:04] <onexused> delopart: You don't have the root password?
[23:04] <delopart> no
[23:04] <LinuxMercedes> I'm trying to boot a machine off the network, but it doesn't recognize the boot server. Any ideas?
[23:04] <kev2121> deany, thanks and 	excuse my grammatical errors, I speak Spanish :)
[23:04] <deany> kev2121, UbNoob  to just install java just sudo apt-get install sun-java-plugin   and it`ll install java.
[23:04] <Nophiq> Hi, my ubuntu don't show me my external hard disk, dmesg and lsusb don't help me, it is Maxtor Basic, what can I do?
[23:04] <onexused> delopart: I don't remember if you set it when you install Ubuntu or not.
[23:04] <delopart> because ubuntu didnt ask for root`s password
[23:04] <UbNoob> Thank you deany!
[23:04] <cornwall> sacamano: The EXT file system has a write-back function. It must be told unmount so it can write
[23:04] <delopart> no ubutu didnt ask
[23:04] <deany> kev2121,  I talk to someone spanish all the time :)
[23:04] <karel> cornwall: Rhythmbox says nothing, it seems like it's playing but no sound is coming, Amarok says that "Too many errors encountered in playlist, playback stopped" - I could'nt find and exact error or something
[23:05] <onexused> delopart: Okay.  And you can't use sudo from the -first- user you set up when you installed?
[23:05] <whois> What is the best ftp login client for a web admin using ubuntu OS
[23:05] <cornwall> sacamano: It's always a good idea to do that, even in windows.
[23:05] <delopart> no
[23:05] <delopart> i actrually made fsck -y -f /dev/sda2
[23:05] <UbNoob> Last question for anyone since I'm a noob....Ubuntu beginner book recommendations?
[23:05] <delopart> thatr destroy the user that i created in ubuntu installation
[23:05] <sacamano> cornwall, its NTFS so turning it off first would really mess it up, right
[23:06] <cornwall> sacamano: Sadly, if you don't unmount in either, you have a higher chance of screwing new files up in Ubuntu than in Windows. It's that more than stupid writeback "feature"
[23:06] <delopart> i add user from consoel
[23:06] <delopart> and not i cannot use sudo
[23:06] <whois> hello guys
[23:06] <kpoman> geirha: sorry just saw your response ! the problem is the drivers from the hardware maintainer are using that old /proc/bus/usb !
[23:06] <cornwall> karel: I'm thinking :)
[23:06] <kev2121> deany,  so you understand?
[23:06] <delopart> yes i cannot use sudo
[23:06] <karel> okey, thanks :)
[23:06] <whois> I wanted to ask wc is the best login ftp client for ubuntu OS
[23:06] <deany> kev2121,  tu eres bello
[23:06] <deany> kev2121, I mean, yes.
[23:06] <onexused> delopart: I see.  Someone else will have to help you, then.  Sorry.
[23:06] <deany> lol
[23:06] <Nophiq> Hi, my ubuntu don't show me my external hard disk, dmesg and lsusb don't help me, it is Maxtor Basic, what can I do?
[23:06] <kpoman> geirha: I managed to test and make the drivers work ... now I would like to make it persistent ! but I just took a look at fstab and it seems messed up ... how can I make ubuntu mount it at next boot
[23:06] <kpoman> ?
[23:07] <Nightchill> hey, i just installed ubuntu 8.10, does that mean i have access only to hardy repos?
[23:07] <usr13> Mogga: and you even use the server's config files to tell it what IP address to listen on.
[23:07] <cornwall> karel: you said that XINE totem also didn't play it?
[23:07] <onexused> I see there are screenshots for some programs in synaptic, but not all.  Where could I contribute screenshots for the programs that I use?
[23:07] <Mogga> usr13: too easy
[23:08] <Mogga> usr13: i questioned the need for a bridge
[23:08] <usr13> Mogga: On the web server use line Listen <IP_ADDRESS>  in the http.conf file
[23:08] <Nightchill> hey, i just installed ubuntu 8.10, does that mean i have access only to hardy repos?
[23:09] <karel> cornwall: XINE totem? I have Totem and it doesn't play, well it gives no error and plays but no sound is coming :/
[23:09] <Mogga> usr13: good tip ... i'd struggle on that one too
[23:11] <kev2121> deany, haha... it is a bit difficult for me because I'm just studying English now
[23:11] <kpoman> do someone know what to put in fstab to have /proc/bus/usb
[23:12] <cornwall> karel: Totem uses by default the Gstreamer backend. There's another backend called Xine. Go to add/remove and search for "totem xine" and install it
[23:12] <cornwall> karel: this is just to check that it's in fact gstreamer's fault
[23:12] <deany> kev2121, so is she
[23:12] <usr13> Mogga: But it might be to your advantage to use a firewall to do some of that for you.
[23:12] <zzaza> hi all
[23:12] <deany> I speak english and spanglish.
[23:12] <Nightchill> is there any .deb of catalyst 9.3 in repositories
[23:12] <karel> cornwall: I installed "totem-xine" it didn't help :(
[23:13] <cornwall> karel: ah, but you need to open as "totem (xine)"
[23:13] <usr13> Mogga: If you have a firewall in front of it, you can have it direct different services to different ports on your multi-server machine.
[23:13] <cornwall> karel: You may have to go to properties and add it as a possible program
[23:13] <gmcm> Hi. I'm trying to install OpenOffice to my computer using Ubuntu. I've done the download. but I can't understand the instructions for further installation on the Open Office site. Can someone help?
[23:14] <karel> cornwall: I used Synaptic Package manager, not the Add/Remove.. is this okay?
[23:14] <rww> kpoman: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2009-January/170416.html
[23:14] <usr13> Mogga: YOu can do a combination of both...
[23:14] <cornwall> karel: You can check to see if you're using gstreamer or xine by going to Help>About. It will say which one you're using to play that certain file
[23:14] <kev2121> deany, ??...I did not understand XD
[23:14] <cornwall> it's fine
[23:14] <Nightchill> how do i search for installed packages?
[23:15] <karel> cornwall: Movie Player using GStreamer 0.10.22
[23:15] <bkevan> anyone else having problems connecting to Yahoo on Pidgin on ubuntu Karmic?
[23:15] <Mogga> usr13: this will be a private network for all intensive purposes so i'll leave it as is... i understand the firewall point though... may do that for an external www if that happens
[23:15] <kain_> hi all, what is the command to run an application from the terminal and still be able to do other stuff in the terminal?
[23:15] <deany> kev2121, curious.  are you using spanish as the language on ubuntu?  if so,  "apt-get install" = what.
[23:15] <zzaza> hi  i just got myself my first ipod (Classic) plugged it and i could browser. what tips do you have for me as regards program to use as well as information or documents about ipod with linux
[23:15] <Mogga> usr13: it will be a combo setup
[23:15] <rww> !yahoo | bkevan
[23:16] <cornwall> okay, well, open the mp3 with "Totem (Xine)" now, and tell me if it plays
[23:16] <deany> kev2121, apt-get is ok, install must be spanish obviously.
[23:16] <rww> kain_: put an & at the end. e.g.: firefox&
[23:16] <cornwall> or you could open it with VLC
[23:16] <kain_> rww thx :D
[23:16] <usr13> Nightchill: dpkg -L pkg-name  or  less /var/lib/dpkg/info/pkg-name.list
[23:16] <kpoman> rww: I'm checking right now ! (damn chatzilla doesnt show when response)
[23:16] <cornwall> karel: either way, we just need to make sure it's Gstreamer's fault. Rhythmbox uses gstreamer. I'm not sure about Amarok, though
[23:17] <fuzzybunny69y> hey everyone I was just wondering when you are adding in 3rd party repositories why do they always have the line that has deb-src? What is it used for?
[23:17] <usr13> Mogga: Tell me again what servers you are setting up?
[23:18] <Nightchill> usr13: ty
[23:18] <kain_> rww: if i close the application from the "x" button, will it be removed from the processes or do i have to close it from terminal?
[23:18] <fuzzybunny69y> !deb-src
[23:18] <fuzzybunny69y> !deb-src
[23:18] <kev2121> deany, yes, but I need to practice my English :)
[23:18] <rww> kain_: if you close it with X, you don't then have to do anything else.
[23:18] <fuzzybunny69y> source
[23:18] <gmcm> Can anyone help me install OpenOffice (using Ubuntu)?
[23:18] <fuzzybunny69y> !source
[23:18] <kain_> rww: thank you :D
[23:18] <fuzzybunny69y> !compile
[23:18] <coler> can anyone tell me how do i install a tar file
[23:19] <rww> fuzzybunny69y: deb-src lines are used to get source code packages. If you don't plan to compile packages yourself, you can leave them off.
[23:19] <Mogga> usr13: mysql, www, ice rpc, svn, file, www-int
[23:19] <usr13> coler: tar xzvf file.tar.gz
[23:19] <brennus> does anyone have experience with screenlets? I'm trying to use the folderview screenlet to display the contents of my desktop ala KDE 4, and that works, but it is in addition to the icons already displayed on my desktop, rather than in place of, which is what my goal is. Also, it does not display mounted objects, only the contents of the desktop folder.
[23:19] <bkevan> @rww That fixed it.. do you know what is causing all the issues?
[23:19] <zzaza> hi  i just got myself my first ipod (Classic) plugged it and i could browser. what tips do you have for me as regards program to use as well as information or documents about ipod with linux
[23:19] <fuzzybunny69y> rww, oh of awesome
[23:19] <fuzzybunny69y> thanks I love you all
[23:19] <rww> bkevan: no idea, sorry
[23:19] <karel> cornwall: I opened the MP3 with "xine" and it works well..
[23:19] <coler> tar gz
[23:19] <usr13> coler: cd to reslulting directory and do ./configure ; make ; sudo make install
[23:19] <rww> !ipod > zzaza (Please see the private message from the bot)
[23:20] <zzaza> rww, thanks
[23:20] <bkevan> rww: man.. that's pretty stupid.. wonder what's causing it.. gotta find out.. haha.. thanks again for the pointer.
[23:20] <usr13> coler: But you should see if the package you are installing is not in repos
[23:20] <kev2121> deany, also, I use Xubuntu and I think it's a bit more complex
[23:20] <cornwall> karel: Okay, the problem is then gstreamer, which sucks
[23:20] <usr13> coler: And then just do sudo apt-get install package-name
[23:21] <cornwall> karel: oddly enough, I can play mp3s just fine using the same version
[23:21] <coler> it is noip-duc-linux.tar.gz
[23:21] <cornwall> karel: do you have all updates?
[23:21] <deany> kev2121, its less friendly yes.
[23:21] <coler> ok so how do i tell
[23:21] <coler> if its in repo
[23:21] <karel> cornwall: :/, gstreamer? I guess so
[23:21] <rww> !info noip2 | coler
[23:21] <usr13> coler: apt-cache search package-name-here
[23:21] <deany> kev2121, to be honest, I dont see the point in it, it uses gnome libs and loads them, so you still the overhead...
[23:22] <kpoman> rww: see, I already mounted it on command line, worked nice...I simply used this command: mount -t usbfs /dev/bus/usb /proc/bus/usb/  .... what would be it's fstab equivalent
[23:22] <kpoman> ?
[23:22] <usr13> coler: or:  apt-cache search key-word
[23:22] <aleron6> is anybody having problems with pidgin like me
[23:22] <rblst> how can i change my monitor resolution to 1440x900 in ubuntu 8.10? i have an integrated via video card
[23:22] <aleron6> thing wont connect
[23:22] <lstarnes> aleron6: what will it not connect to?
[23:22] <karel> cornwall: "Ubuntu restricted extras" maybe I should get this? But I have to remove something else before - it gives an error
[23:22] <rww> aleron6: which service (yahoo, msn, etc.)?
[23:22] <aleron6> my account
[23:23] <aleron6> yahoo
[23:23] <usr13> rblst: Gnome?
[23:23] <rww> !yahoo | aleron6
[23:23] <psych> C-S-B, hi
[23:23] <kpoman> rww: is this correct ? : https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2009-January/170416.html
[23:23] <kpoman> oops
[23:23] <aleron6> isent there another client
[23:23] <karel> cornwall: it's somekind of gstreamer thing
[23:23] <kpoman> usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs nosuid,node 0 0
[23:23] <rblst> usr13: yes, but any command line solution would also do
[23:23] <aleron6> for yahoo heah
[23:23] <coler> I need to install apt-cashe? is this a vns
[23:23] <coler> where do i get it, packages?\
[23:23] <kev2121> deany, you're right... I think I swap to ubuntu. .   :S
[23:24] <usr13> rblst: System -> Preference -> Screen Resolution
[23:24] <rww> kpoman: that looks right, yeah
[23:24] <cornwall> karel: yes, install that
[23:24] <sway> Why does Adobe have to put me dowwwwn? Where is my 64bit version of flash :(
[23:24]  * sway cries
[23:24] <cabrey> sway, it's on adobe's site
[23:24] <coler> SORRY IM NEW TO THIS
[23:24] <deany> kev2121, well I tried it, and it used the same gnome programs for most stuff
[23:24] <rww> sway: at the bottom of http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html
[23:24] <sway> I shall investigate!
[23:24] <sway> THank you!
[23:24] <cornwall> sway: I seriously can't wait for adobe to crash and die.
[23:24] <rblst> usr13: it is of course not there, and it's only 8.04, not 8.10, just checked
[23:24] <aleron6> so theres no other yahoo im client
[23:24] <usr13> coler: apt-cache  not apt-cashe
[23:25] <sway> Same here, but I need ot for my Hulu addiction :(
[23:25] <rww> aleron6: did you follow the instruction ubottu gave you?
[23:25] <aleron6> no wat is it
[23:25] <deany> kev2121, so I thought, whats the point.  System monitor was gnomes, firefox is gnome+bloat.. I saved like 3meg memory using it.. woo hoo
[23:25] <aleron6> oh nvm
[23:25] <coler> but what do i do with apt-cache, where do i get it
[23:25] <usr13> rblst: Are you using Gnome?
[23:25] <kpoman> rww: cool I will try to reboot see if it still works
[23:25] <cornwall> sway: Someday people will realize that you don't need that stupid format to play movies, but I guess until people get some sense, we're stuck using flash :(
[23:26] <rblst> usr13: yes
[23:26] <sway> Indeed :(
[23:26] <cornwall> karel: did you install it?
[23:26] <cabrey> rblst, xrandr is the way to switch resolutions from the commandline
[23:26] <rblst> cabrey: i'll take a look, thanks
[23:26] <karel> cornwall: I'm trying to find oout what I have to remove first
[23:26] <deany> !pure-xfce
[23:26] <usr13> rblst: as cabrey says, try  xrandr
[23:26] <deany> !purexfce
[23:27] <kev2121> deany, haha...but resources as the main memory are managed more efficiently?
[23:27] <Guak> who wants to join my channel! frikkin' #mylifeononepage :D
[23:28] <Guak> no takers...
[23:28] <Guak> oh well
[23:28] <Guak> :(
[23:28] <cabrey> Guak, thats what we call spam
[23:28] <Seeker`> Guak: how about you don't advertise in here
[23:28] <Guak> yeah
[23:28] <rww> Guak: don't advertise your channel here, please.
[23:28] <Guak> i figured
[23:29] <rblst> cabrey, usr13: i believe xrandr is a backend for the gnome magic resolution switcher, is it not? xrandr doesn't list the resolution i want :(
[23:29] <Guak> if its not full of adverts then what goes on here...looks to be just people joining and quitting all the time...nobody has ever left my channel...
[23:29] <Seeker`> !ot | Guak
[23:29] <joaopinto> rblst, xrandr is not a backend for the gnome magic resolution, it's the way around, gnome resolution switcher is a frontend for xrandr
[23:30] <deany> kev2121, I dont see any benefit myself
[23:30] <rww> Guak: though the #ubuntu-offtopic people don't want your spam either ;)
[23:30] <Guak> i'll stop wasting your time :)
[23:30] <rblst> joaopinto: it doesn't make any difference, but yes, that's better to say
[23:31] <deany> kev2121, it might be based on xfce, but Its still dependant on gnome, and I dont see the point of using something that uses gnome-libs
[23:31] <Ademan> how can I tell what boot scripts are being run? is there a log file somewhere? i feel like my local-top/dmraid isn't being run
[23:31] <karel> cornwall: okay, installing it
[23:31] <cabrey> rblst, you'll have to list the res you want in xorg.conf
[23:31] <rblst> cabrey: that means i have to add a modeline?
[23:32] <usr13> rblst: What video card to you have?
[23:32] <rblst> user13: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. UniChrome Pro IGP (rev 01)
[23:32] <cabrey> rblst, if it isn't detected, then yes :(
[23:32] <cornwall> karel: good, hope it works
[23:33] <cabrey> rblst, oh fun the openchrome driver
[23:33] <deany> kev2121, if you are only gonna run gnome type apps anyway on... like firefox, thunderbird, etc
[23:33] <kev2121> deany, and I wanted to think that my PC works best ... haha :S
[23:33] <mee> karel: drop beeper!
[23:33] <cornwall> karel: I need to go
[23:33] <cornwall> karel: I'll be here around 7:00 if you need further help
[23:33] <karel> cornwall: ok, thanks for helping :)
[23:33] <deany> kev2121, my pc runs sweet, with ubuntu.  gnome isnt light, but it isnt bloated either
[23:33] <cornwall> karel: np, good luck
[23:34] <karel> mee: beeper?
[23:34] <tpcnf> Hi. On the Asus EeePC 1008HA, the touchpad (Synaptics) goes crazy if I use two fingers, and scrolling doesn't work.
[23:34] <mee> oh. 'karel' is the name of a robot used in a common pascal book
[23:34] <cabrey> tpcnf, I had that issue. I fixed it with a modification to the psmouse module
[23:34] <mee> who turns about and moves beepers to and fro. nm ;)
[23:35] <karel> oh, cool :D
[23:35] <tpcnf> What sort of a modification>
[23:35] <tpcnf> ?
[23:35] <coler> I have jaadu on my iphone but i am trying to connect with my desktop server.  Is this too hard
[23:35] <cabrey> tpcnf, press alt-f2 -> gksu gedit /etc/modprobe.d/options
[23:35] <rblst> cabrey: i have the xserver-xorg-video-openchrome package installed
[23:36] <cabrey> rblst, I think there are a few utilities to configure the driver
[23:36] <wee> How does suspend to disk work in an encrypted root file system installation from the Ubuntu alt. installation disk? Does it suspend ram to a portion of the harddrive that is encrypted?
[23:37] <rblst> cabrey: this package does not seem to install anything in /usr/bin
[23:37] <tpcnf> What do I do with /etc/modprobe.d/options?
[23:38] <cabrey> rblst, yea thats just the driver, look on help.ubuntu.com for openchrome
[23:38] <cabrey> tpcnf, do you have gedit open now?
[23:38] <tpcnf> Yes.
[23:38] <flamsmark> can i network login - for a remote, graphical session -  to my ubuntu box from a windows system?
[23:38] <cabrey> tpcnf, ok on one line type the following:
[23:38] <cabrey> options psmouse proto=imps
[23:38] <cabrey> save & quit
[23:39] <tpcnf> OK.
[23:39] <cabrey> tpcnf, open a terminal up.
[23:40] <jackstraw> ok I am using ubuntu 8.10 and I am trying to install yahoo instant messenger. when I try to use the deb package installer it says libglib1.2 not satisfiable. I tried to re install the dependency and the same thing. is there anyone that can help me with this
[23:40] <cabrey> tpcnf, (NOTE: this command will disable your mouse/trackpad temporarily) type sudo rmmod psmouse
[23:40] <cabrey> tpcnf, immediately after, type sudo modprobe psmouse
[23:41] <rblst> cabrey: ah thanks, this help.ubuntu.com seems very useful
[23:41] <cabrey> :)
[23:41] <dougl> jackstraw, did you try pidgin?
[23:41] <kev2121> deany, In this chat, it is possible to the mailing address for purposes of assistance with a specific person?
[23:41] <tpcnf> It doesn't go crazy anymore, but scrolling still doesn't work.
[23:41] <flamsmark> can i use the arrow keys on the keyboard as a mouse?
[23:41] <jackstraw> I have tried every instant messenger program out there and nothing will connect
[23:42] <cabrey> tpcnf, ahh ok, so you were having the crazy mouse issue. alright let me see about the scrolling issue now
[23:42] <dougl> jackstraw, I am using pidgin to connect to msn now and works ok
[23:42] <quinn> u all on linux
[23:42] <dougl> yes
[23:42] <quinn> any one do iphone linux
[23:42] <jackstraw> I dont know what to say, I guess I have a curse on me
[23:43] <LadyNikon> quinn: i would say join #ubuntu-chat
[23:43] <dougl> just letting you know what works for me
[23:43] <LadyNikon> this is strictly a helcp channel for the distro called linux
[23:43] <cabrey> quinn, iphone linux has not materialized yet
[23:43] <flamsmark> quinn -  you might also find help in ##iphone
[23:43] <quinn> ok
[23:44] <stittel> How to tell the NetworkManager to execute a certain command after a wireless connection has been established? I want do do "iwpriv eth1 set_power 5", but I can't do it on system boot, since it won't work when the WLAN hardware switch is switched off during boot.
[23:45] <SirBob1701> hey guys i updated my install like 2 days ago and my middle mouse button on my MX revolution no longer copies and pastes and opens tabs in firefox can someone give me a hand i've tried a bunch of stuff
[23:45] <russ5811> i just recently downloaded a video file (avi) that has an srt subtitle file. what should i use to combine them and produce a dvd?
[23:46] <deany> kev2121, no, nor is PM
[23:46] <cabrey> russ5811, maybe DeVeDe
[23:46] <russ5811> i've got devede up, can't find a subtitle option
[23:47] <ubuntu> buona notte a tutti
[23:47] <cabrey> !it
[23:47] <cabrey> grazie
[23:47] <kev2121> deany, thanks!
[23:48] <helmethedd> i need help plz
[23:48] <Ademan> when during boot does ubuntu mount the devices in the fstab?
[23:49] <helmethedd> hello???
[23:49] <rblst> user13, cabrey: setting openchrome as the driver in xorg.conf made the wanted resolution available; thanks for your help
[23:49] <deany> kev2121, ask and ye shall receive an answer, uusally.
[23:49] <deany> *usually
[23:49] <tsrk> I moved two files from my ubuntu partition to my windows partition, however when I booted back into windows they are not there. I rebooted back into ubuntu, and they have disappeared here too. How can I recover the files from either my ubuntu or windows partition? (ubuntu is ext3 and windows is ntfs)
[23:49] <deany> kev2121, pretty cool people in here, mostly.
[23:50] <helmethedd> how do i boot from cd?
[23:50] <helmethedd> trying to upgrade from the live disc
[23:50] <flamsmark> is it possible to upgrade straight to the most recent version of ubuntu, or do i have to incrementally upgrade through all the intermediary versions?
[23:50] <helmethedd> its incremental
[23:51] <flamsmark> helpmethod - was that at me?
[23:51] <rblst> helmethedd: you have to set in BIOS setup
[23:51] <flamsmark> helpmethedd - was that at me?
[23:51] <helmethedd> ok, how
[23:51] <helmethedd> yes
[23:51] <zopiac_> is there a channel specifically for Easy Peasy?
[23:51] <tsrk> flamsmark, yeah, you have to update through each version
[23:51] <flamsmark> thanks tsrk
[23:52] <deany> kev2121, try ubuntuforums.org also, if you search, most problems are answered
[23:52] <helmethedd> tsrk, how do i set it in bios
[23:52] <kev2121> deany, it's nice to know that
[23:52] <tsrk> flamsmark, if you're going through more than one version it might be better to just do a fresh install because things can get messed up in upgrades and most stuff is easy to backup and will be exactly the same when you restore it
[23:52] <helmethedd> isnt't there a button to push during reboot?
[23:52] <rblst> helmethedd: usually it's the DEL or F2 key you can enter into BIOS setup right after you turn on your machine
[23:52] <tsrk> helmethedd, set what?
[23:53] <jthing> I get a menu of boot choices
[23:53] <helmethedd> tsrk, the bios setting for booting from CD
[23:54] <tsrk> helmethedd, it depends on your bios, but look for a boot device order option
[23:54] <rblst> helmethedd: then there is a boot sequence option or something similar
[23:54] <flamsmark> tsrk - as in, the system won't work? i have practically nothing on this machine
[23:54] <jthing> It usually sais what key to push on the bios boot screen
[23:54] <helmethedd> tsrk, i first will need to get to bios right?
[23:54] <helmethedd> then how is that accomplished?
[23:54] <tsrk> helmethedd, yes, it should display that option on your boot screen
[23:54] <bishop> joining
[23:55] <helmethedd> i'm really gonna need simple, plain, step-bystep instructions
[23:55] <helmethedd> or a web page
[23:55] <helmethedd> linux is impossible
[23:55] <usr13> helmethedd: It is different for different machines
[23:56] <tpcnf> Ademan: /etc/rcS.d/S35mountall.sh
[23:56] <helmethedd> there's gotta be a way
[23:56] <helmethedd> whys everything gotta be so friggin complicated
[23:56] <usr13> helmethedd: To get into your bios settings, watch close as it starts to hoot, it will tell you.
[23:56] <helmethedd> i just wanna upgrade
[23:57] <helmethedd> been at it all dang day
[23:57] <kev2121> deany, I see...but in this forums can ask questions of kubuntu? ..for example
[23:57] <usr13> helmethedd: Some use F1 or F2 or Delete key to get you into bios settings.
[23:58] <usr13> helmethedd: What are you trying to do here?  (I'm jumping in the middle of a problem I think).
[23:58] <deany> kev2121, #kubunt
[23:58] <deany> doh
[23:58] <helmethedd> upgrade
[23:58] <kev2121> deany,  becuase I think that is the same...or similar
[23:58] <deany> kev2121, #kubuntu
[23:58] <usr13> what is helmethedd trying to do?
[23:58] <helmethedd> UPGRADE
[23:58] <usr13> helmethedd: upgrade from what to what?
[23:58] <deany> kev2121, there is a sep channel for it i believe.  it has different apps
[23:58] <helmethedd> from hardy
[23:58] <nai> hi, what's the difference between: "gnome" "gnome-desktop-environment" and "gnome-core" packages?
[23:58] <helmethedd> to ibex
[23:59] <helmethedd> i tried to upgrade via update manager....and it fails to dl all files
[23:59] <helmethedd> so i want to use the disk
[23:59] <usr13> helmethedd: to....  ibex?


[07:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- marcustomlinson, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2110 Abandoning ticket
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[11:16] <kenvandine> ubuntu-qa:  is there an issue with the QA signoffs trello board?  Silo 2078 has been ready for QA for a while now and there still isn't a card created
[11:20] <sil2100> kenvandine: I guess it might be out-of-date regarding the recent API changes, jibel would have to modify it (possibly) but he's on holidays still
[11:20] <sil2100> IIRC
[11:20] <kenvandine> ah
[11:21] <kenvandine> yeah, bileto changes also broke the ubuntu-silo-installer too
[11:21] <kenvandine> i guess we need to manually create cards for now
[11:22] <kenvandine> ubuntu-qa: can someone please create a card for 2078?
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[11:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- oSoMoN, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2134 No packages are being considered! If you are preparing sources manually, please upload them to the PPA now
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[11:44] <Mirv> sil2100: o/
[11:45] <sil2100> Mirv: o/
[11:45] <sil2100> Mirv: welcome back!
[11:46] <Mirv> sil2100: it took me the week to recover from the sprint anyway :)
[11:46] <Mirv> now on Sunday evening I managed to fall asleep without taking something to the cough that developed mostly after the sprint
[11:46] <Mirv> but good resting
[11:47] <oSoMoN> trainguards: can you please do a source copy of oxide-qt 1.18.3-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>~overlay1 from https://launchpad.net/~osomon/+archive/ubuntu/oxide to https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/2134 ?
[11:48] <sil2100> oSoMoN: on it
[11:49] <oSoMoN> sil2100, thanks!
[11:50] <sil2100> oSoMoN: source copy done, yw!
[11:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- marcustomlinson, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2130 Failed to build (zesty/unity-scopes-shell). Successfully built (xenial/unity-scopes-api, zesty/unity-scopes-api). Uploading build (xenial/unity-scopes-shell)
[11:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2133 Currently building (vivid/content-hub, zesty/content-hub). Failed to build (xenial/content-hub)
[12:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- marcustomlinson, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2130 Failed to build (zesty/unity-scopes-shell). Pending binary packages (xenial/unity-scopes-shell). Successfully built (xenial/unity-scopes-api, zesty/unity-scopes-api)
[12:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2133 Failed to build (xenial/content-hub, zesty/content-hub). Pending binary packages (vivid/content-hub)
[12:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- marcustomlinson, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2130 Failed to build (zesty/unity-scopes-shell). Successfully built (xenial/unity-scopes-api, xenial/unity-scopes-shell, zesty/unity-scopes-api)
[12:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- oSoMoN, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2134 Cancelling build
[12:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2133 Currently building (zesty/content-hub). Failed to build (xenial/content-hub). Successfully built (vivid/content-hub)
[13:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2133 Successfully built
[13:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mardy dbarth, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2135 Pending binary packages
[13:59] <rvr> kenvandine: Done
[14:00] <kenvandine> rvr, thx!
[14:14] <renato__> ubuntu-qa, could you make sure that this silo get reviewed: https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2008
[14:15] <rvr> renato__: Hmm
[14:16] <rvr> Seems fine, but there is no new trello card for it
[14:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Elleo, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2033 Preparing packages
[14:16] <renato__> rvr, it is not urgent, but looks like jibel script to get the cards is broke
[14:16] <rvr> renato__: Seems so, I'll ping him tomorrow
[14:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mardy dbarth, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2135 Successfully built
[14:17] <renato__> rvr, thanks
[14:17] <rvr> renato__: I have created the card manually
[14:23] <renato__> thanks
[14:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- marcustomlinson, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2130 Preparing packages
[14:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Elleo, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2033 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/ubuntu-download-manager). Pending binary packages (vivid/ubuntu-download-manager, xenial/ubuntu-download-manager)
[14:44] <pmcgowan> tedg, mterry how we doin on 2129, need any help there?
[14:46] <mterry> pmcgowan: I think we've been hitting various zesty ftbfs issues
[14:46] <mterry> ted was more involved yesterday, might know more
[14:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- marcustomlinson, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2130 Currently building (xenial/unity-scopes-shell). Failed to build (zesty/unity-scopes-shell). Successfully built (xenial/unity-scopes-api, zesty/unity-scopes-api)
[14:54] <sil2100> mterry: hey! Where can we find the snapcraft.yaml for the big unity8 snap in-progress?
[14:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Elleo, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2033 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/ubuntu-download-manager). Successfully built (vivid/ubuntu-download-manager, xenial/ubuntu-download-manager)
[14:57] <tedg> pmcgowan: I think that generally it is okay-ish. There are somethings that failed to build, but we don't care.
[14:57] <tedg> pmcgowan: The only one that mattered is url-dispatcher.
[14:58] <tedg> pmcgowan: I think the current snap in the edge channel has the silo
[14:59] <pmcgowan> tedg, cool, and can we land directly from that silo? I see a note not to
[15:00] <tedg> pmcgowan: I'm not sure that makes sense, it'll probably have too much stuff in it.
[15:00] <tedg> pmcgowan: Probably makes more sense to land in pieces in other silos.
[15:00] <pmcgowan> tedg, whats the diff?
[15:00] <pmcgowan> is it an issue for qa?
[15:01] <tedg> pmcgowan: QA could test the invidual piece and make sure nothing is broken in that area vs. "test everything"
[15:01] <mterry> sil2100: lp:unity8-session-snap
[15:01] <tedg> I imagine that silo is gonna end up with, at some point, all the packages in the system.
[15:01] <pmcgowan> heh
[15:02] <pmcgowan> tedg, just as long as things start landing soonish
[15:02] <pmcgowan> tedg, do you expect the leads t make their own silos from this?
[15:03] <tedg> pmcgowan: I'd expect them to pull them in with other landings. Most are pretty small.
[15:03] <tedg> pmcgowan: We can of course encourage if there's nothing landing soon.
[15:03] <pmcgowan> tedg, ok will send out a heads up on it to approve mrs and land
[15:03] <tedg> +1, thanks!
[15:04] <sil2100> mterry: woo! Thanks
[15:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- marcustomlinson, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2130 Failed to build (zesty/unity-scopes-shell). Successfully built (xenial/unity-scopes-api, xenial/unity-scopes-shell, zesty/unity-scopes-api)
[15:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- marcustomlinson, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2110 Currently building (vivid/unity-scopes-api, vivid/unity-scopes-shell, xenial/unity-scopes-api, xenial/unity-scopes-shell, zesty/unity-scopes-api). Failed to build (zesty/unity-scopes-shell)
[15:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- marcustomlinson, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2110 Failed to build (zesty/unity-scopes-shell). Pending binary packages (vivid/unity-scopes-api, vivid/unity-scopes-shell, zesty/unity-scopes-api). Successfully built (xenial/unity-scopes-api, xenial/unity-scopes-shell)
[16:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- marcustomlinson, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2110 Failed to build (zesty/unity-scopes-shell). Successfully built (vivid/unity-scopes-api, vivid/unity-scopes-shell, xenial/unity-scopes-api, xenial/unity-scopes-shell, zesty/unity-scopes-api)
[16:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Elleo, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2033 Preparing packages
[16:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Elleo, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2033 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/ubuntu-download-manager). Pending binary packages (vivid/ubuntu-download-manager, xenial/ubuntu-download-manager)
[16:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Cimi, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2050 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/unity8). Successfully built (vivid/unity8, xenial/unity8)
[17:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Elleo, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2033 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/ubuntu-download-manager). Successfully built (vivid/ubuntu-download-manager, xenial/ubuntu-download-manager)
[17:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- robru, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2136 Preparing packages
[17:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- robru, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2136 zesty/phablet-tools: Failed to commit https://code.launchpad.net/~robru/phablet-tools/bileto-v2. You must supply either a Commit Message on your MP, or a custom debian/changelog entry
[17:55] <robru> heh
[17:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- robru, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2136 Preparing packages
[18:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- robru, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2136 Successfully built
[18:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko rmescandon bfiller, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Preparing packages
[18:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2137 Preparing packages
[18:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- robru, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2136 Merging branches
[18:37] <oSoMoN> sil2100, it looks like we have an issue with oxide-qt in the overlay PPA: the version in xenial-updates (1.18.3-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>) depends on qtbase-abi-5-5-1, and it’s not installable on a system which has the stable-phone-overlay PPA because the overlay has Qt 5.6
[18:38] <oSoMoN> sil2100, rebuilding oxide-qt against the overlay PPA and publishing it as 1.18.3-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>~overlay1 wouldn’t solve the issue, because the version in xenial-updates would still take precedence
[18:39] <oSoMoN> I’m not sure how to solve this, other than pushing a version > 1.18.3-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> in the overlay PPA
[18:39] <oSoMoN> any suggestions?
[18:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2137 Dependency wait
[18:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko rmescandon bfiller, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Currently building (vivid/history-service, vivid/telephony-service, xenial/messaging-app, xenial/telephony-service, zesty/telephony-service). Failed to build (vivid/messaging-app, vivid/messaging-framework, xenial/history-service, xenial/messaging-framework, zesty/history-service, zesty/messaging-framework). Pending binary packages (vivid/dialer-app, vivid/telepathy-ofon
[18:49] <oSoMoN> I guess 1.18.3-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>+overlay1 would work, but not sure if that acceptable as a version naming scheme
[19:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko rmescandon bfiller, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Failed to build (vivid/messaging-app, vivid/messaging-framework, xenial/history-service, xenial/messaging-framework, zesty/history-service, zesty/messaging-framework, zesty/telephony-service). Successfully built (vivid/dialer-app, vivid/history-service, vivid/telepathy-ofono, vivid/telephony-service, xenial/dialer-app, xenial/messaging-app, xenial/telepathy-ofono, xenial
[19:05] <sil2100> oSoMoN: for touch images we use PPA pinning, so the overlay version *always* takes precedence over what's in the archive
[19:08] <oSoMoN> sil2100, right, but what about desktops running xenial+overlay, or launchpad builders for silos? they’re going to get the version from xenial-updates
[19:35] <dobey> oSoMoN: 1.1~overlay1
[19:39] <dobey> oSoMoN: ie you need to "bump to the next build number" and append ~foo
[19:40] <dobey> oSoMoN: i tend to find appending .1 rather than increasing the single number value, to be a little safer, so generally what i suggest for such situations
[19:57] <oSoMoN> dobey, thanks, that sounds reasonable
[20:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dobey, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2122 Preparing packages
[20:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2137 Preparing packages
[20:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- oSoMoN, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2134 Diff missing
[20:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2137 Currently building (vivid/unity8, zesty/unity8). Failed to build (xenial/unity8)
[20:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dobey, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2122 Failed to build
[20:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2137 Currently building (vivid/unity8). Failed to build (xenial/unity8). Uploading build (zesty/unity8)
[21:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- charles mterry ted, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2138 Currently building (xenial/indicator-application, xenial/indicator-datetime, xenial/indicator-network, xenial/indicator-transfer, zesty/indicator-bluetooth, zesty/indicator-datetime, zesty/indicator-location, zesty/indicator-sound). Failed to build (xenial/indicator-sound, zesty/indicator-messages, zesty/indicator-network, zesty/indicator-power). Pending binary packages (xenial/indica
[21:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dobey, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2122 Successfully built
[21:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- charles mterry ted, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2138 Failed to build (xenial/indicator-network, xenial/indicator-sound, zesty/indicator-messages, zesty/indicator-network, zesty/indicator-power). Pending binary packages (xenial/indicator-datetime, zesty/indicator-datetime). Successfully built (xenial/indicator-application, xenial/indicator-bluetooth, xenial/indicator-location, xenial/indicator-messages, xenial/indicator-power, xenial/ind
[22:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- charles mterry ted, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2138 Failed to build (xenial/indicator-network, xenial/indicator-sound, zesty/indicator-messages, zesty/indicator-network, zesty/indicator-power). Successfully built (xenial/indicator-application, xenial/indicator-bluetooth, xenial/indicator-datetime, xenial/indicator-location, xenial/indicator-messages, xenial/indicator-power, xenial/indicator-printers, xenial/indicator-session, xenial/in
[23:26] <boiko> trainguards: can someone please copy the packages from https://launchpad.net/~boiko/+archive/ubuntu/tpqt/+packages to silo 1319?
[23:26] <robru> boiko: on it
[23:27] <boiko> robru: thanks!
[23:27] <robru> boiko: you're welcome!
[23:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko rmescandon bfiller, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Currently building (vivid/telepathy-qt, xenial/telepathy-qt, zesty/telepathy-qt). Failed to build (vivid/messaging-app, vivid/messaging-framework, xenial/history-service, xenial/messaging-framework, zesty/history-service, zesty/messaging-framework, zesty/telephony-service). Successfully built (vivid/dialer-app, vivid/history-service, vivid/telepathy-ofono, vivid/telephon


[12:07] <PingunZ> Seveas: When should I tell them to expect it on their desky ?
[12:08] <PingunZ> ( usplash )
[12:08] <Seveas> hopefuly edgy -- I'll be poking at mjg59 soon. But NO PROMISES!
[12:09] <PingunZ> What is mjg59 ?
[12:09] <Seveas> who
[12:09] <Seveas> who is mjg59
[12:09] <Seveas> he's a person ;)
[12:09] <PingunZ> Ah :)
[12:10] <Seveas> Matthew Garrett, usplash maintainer
[12:10] <PingunZ> New nick & name learned today :)
[12:11] <PingunZ> I'll give you the link to the thread, tell me what should be added. http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1455072#post1455072
[12:17] <PingunZ> hey virogenesis
[12:17] <virogenesis> hey
[12:19] <BHSPitMonkey> so does the artwork team cover sounds, too? or is that kept separate
[12:19] <PingunZ> BHSPitMonkey: It covers sound too :)
[12:20] <BHSPitMonkey> cool
[12:20] <PingunZ> In fact, there will be new login/logout sounds in edgy if I'm right.
[12:21] <BHSPitMonkey> I'm an artist of sorts, both graphical and musical, but my digital graphics skills are pretty novice, useless here.
[12:21] <BHSPitMonkey> I'm sure there's enough talent already in the sound department, too; the sounds in dapper are awesome
[12:21] <BHSPitMonkey> but I'm just putting it out there, that I'd be happy to do whatever I can
[12:22] <PingunZ> BHSPitMonkey: I'm not talented either, you can help a lot by giving your opinion. And you can learn a lot too ;)
[12:22] <BHSPitMonkey> cool
[12:23] <virogenesis> will any tango eye candy be created?
[12:24] <BHSPitMonkey> what's tango, exactly

[12:26] <BHSPitMonkey> Seveas, that bootsplash is your work?
[12:27] <virogenesis> http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Desktop_Project <-- BHSPitMonkey
[12:27] <PingunZ> BHSPitMonkey: its a usplash and yes ;)
[12:27] <virogenesis> thats tango
[12:28] <PingunZ> virogenesis: The tango icons are in dapper yet :)
[12:28] <BHSPitMonkey> right... so it's full-res, animation friendly, themable? as opposed to the current low-pallette, static fb one?
[12:28] <PingunZ> BHSPitMonkey: yup :)
[12:28] <virogenesis> PingunZ, i know that but....
[12:29] <virogenesis> more tango like a tango style boot screen
[12:29] <virogenesis> a tango style ubuntu icon for the panel
[12:29] <BHSPitMonkey> PingunZ, that's awesome...
[12:29] <PingunZ> usplash ? We'll see how the usplash turns out.
[12:29] <PingunZ> BHSPitMonkey: Thank Seveas ;)
[12:30] <BHSPitMonkey> right
[12:30] <BHSPitMonkey> Seveas, bravo :)
[12:41] <PingunZ> Seveas: I love this idea : http://www.kaarsemaker.net/images/usplash-viewer.png
[12:41] <BHSPitMonkey> PingunZ, is that a mock-up?
[12:42] <PingunZ> I think so
[12:42] <BHSPitMonkey> I like the dummy entries in the preview window ^^
[12:45] <BHSPitMonkey> what language is his site?
[12:45] <PingunZ> Dutch
[12:46] <PingunZ> Should I translate it ? :)
[12:47] <BHSPitMonkey> I'm trying to :P
[12:49] <PingunZ> try babelfish
[12:49] <BHSPitMonkey> I did
[12:49] <BHSPitMonkey> lol
[12:49] <BHSPitMonkey> and it worked
[12:50] <BHSPitMonkey> but semi-successfully, as always; I lost interest :P
[01:24] <troy_s> seveas, ship me that code for updating the throbber/progress image
[01:25] <troy_s> A) there will be no tango
[01:25] <troy_s> B) the sound team is still new, so you should feel free to get involved, peter savage.
[01:31] <troy_s> okie virogenesis
[01:31] <virogenesis> ok :(
[01:33] <andreasn> huh? no tango where?
[01:33] <troy_s> in the default installation of ubuntu
[01:33] <troy_s> in terms of look
[01:34] <andreasn> ah, I thought it has been removed as a dep for human or something
[01:34] <andreasn> my mistake
[01:35] <andreasn> sorry, not has, had I mean
[01:36] <troy_s> nothing has changed regarding the packages etc of tango as far as i know
[01:37] <andreasn> ok, cool
[01:37] <troy_s> andreasn do you know when gaussian blur will be in inkscape?
[01:38] <troy_s> or a feather or something akin to it?
[01:38] <andreasn> troy_s: someone told me it's in already
[01:38] <andreasn> troy_s: in the svn repositories
[01:38] <troy_s> ?!?!?!?!?
[01:38] <andreasn> tried to compile it earlier today, but kind of gave up on it
[01:39] <troy_s> wow... must checkout!
[01:39] <troy_s> have you got inkboard working yet?
[01:39] <troy_s> i think it is possible
[01:39] <andreasn> yeah, it's a kickass feature
[01:39] <troy_s> it is configure --enable-inkboard or something like that correct?
[01:39] <andreasn> no, haven't got that running, haven't tried either as I've haven't had any use of it yet
[01:39] <troy_s> i would love it if someone would document how to do it on the wiki
[01:39] <troy_s> ah
[01:39] <troy_s> have you tried xara?
[01:40] <andreasn> only briefly at Libre Graphics Meeting
[01:40] <troy_s> svg import (most rudimentary) is in place and it is maturing rapidly
[01:40] <troy_s> it is an amazing program
[01:40] <troy_s> _awsome_
[01:40] <troy_s> version 7 is well worth trying if you haven't tried it in a while.
[01:40] <andreasn> ah, Inkboard is in the wiki already: http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Inkboard2.0
[01:40] <troy_s> as it looks like 8 should see svg import / export working in a limited state
[01:41] <troy_s> thanks for that link
[01:41] <troy_s> it is probably going to be a useful tool for the team at some point.
[01:41] <andreasn> http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/InkboardWikiPages
[01:43] <andreasn> was anyone on the ubuntu-art list interested in the highcontrast icons btw?
[01:43] <troy_s> completely
[01:44] <troy_s> in fact frank was just setting that into motion getting them ready for the deadline
[01:44] <troy_s> if i recall...
[01:44] <troy_s> pingunz did a listing of all missing ones
[01:44] <troy_s> and frank forwarded it to bersace
[01:44] <troy_s> but i am quite sure that if you could help, your aid would be more than welcome
[01:45] <troy_s> you should contact frank via email and he will provide you with the plan / checklist etc.
[01:45] <andreasn> well, I just sent a couple to Thomas Wood earlier today
[01:45] <troy_s> great
[01:45] <andreasn> hopefully they'll go into the 2.16 release
[01:45] <troy_s> you should tell frank as well.
[01:45] <troy_s> pretty sure he would be interested in that tidbit of information
[01:46] <troy_s> wonder why the participation in the channel is higher again...
[01:46] <troy_s> i suspect another digg article or something.
[01:46] <andreasn> I always idle her
[01:46] <andreasn> e
[01:46] <andreasn> :)
[01:46] <troy_s> i know _you_ do
[01:46] <troy_s> but there are some new nicks i don't recall.
[01:46] <troy_s> which usually is a sign that somewhere an article has bubbled up
[01:53] <BHSPitMonkey> and I just wandered in here...
[01:53] <troy_s> nice luck
[01:53] <BHSPitMonkey> :P
[01:53] <troy_s> well for us
[01:53] <troy_s> more people is better
[01:53] <BHSPitMonkey> heh
[01:53] <BHSPitMonkey> there are no coincidences...
[01:56] <troy_s> andreasn!!!
[01:56] <troy_s> blur is in there!
[01:56] <troy_s> wooooooop
[01:56] <andreasn> totall kickass
[01:56] <andreasn> just hope the bug in librsvg is fixed now
[01:56] <troy_s> what bug?
[01:57] <BHSPitMonkey> night PingunZ
[01:58] <andreasn> troy_s: last time I tried (with some crack I got from AndyFitz) it displayed the blur a bit weird in librsvg
[01:59] <andreasn> it was some crack from AndyFitz though :)
[02:06] <troy_s> it does have some internal rendering issues
[02:06] <troy_s> but it seems to work fine
[10:19] <BHSPitRemotey> hi all
[04:36] <troy_s> greets all
[04:54] <PingunZ> hey troy
[05:08] <viper550> Hello everyone...
[10:45] <PingunZ_> kwwii_: About the purple kubuntu look on the forums : " It has something special, but I think not many men are going to like it, I think they should at least include the blue theme so that it is possible to change again, but well  it gives Kubuntu character I'd say. " roflmao
[10:45] <PingunZ_> Its a quote btw ;) Not my opinion
[10:46] <kwwii_> :-)
[10:47] <kwwii_> "macho, macho, man....I wanna be a macho man!"
[10:47] <Burgundavia> kwwii_: anything interesting happen in artwork last week?
[10:48] <kwwii_> Burgundavia: yeah, my amarrok crapped out on my, so I couldn't keep working on the new theme
[10:48] <PingunZ_> kwwii_: true :)
[10:48] <kwwii_> :p
[10:48] <Burgundavia> right
[10:49] <PingunZ_> btw kwwii_ that macho thing from mastermovies.nl ?
[10:49] <kwwii_> PingunZ_: nope, just from my humble self
[10:50] <PingunZ_> nice :)
[10:51] <PingunZ_> I'm going to send a mail to the artwork mailing list, do I have to start the subject with [ubuntu-art]  or is that automatically ?
[10:51] <Burgundavia> that is done
[10:52] <PingunZ_> Burgundavia: I don't have to type it ?
[10:52] <Burgundavia> nope
[10:52] <PingunZ_> ok :)
[10:52] <PingunZ_> check your mails in a minute then :)
[10:54] <PingunZ_> Yup, sent
[10:54] <PingunZ_> That was kinda stressful :)
[10:55] <PingunZ_> Well, I'm out.. I won't be around that much anymore since school starts again ..
[10:56] <PingunZ_> Good night all


[00:10] <tsimonq2> Please also test: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm-qt/1.1.0-0ubuntu2
[00:13] <guiverc> Congratulations arraybolt3[m] !
 *sends tsimonq2 back to debian training*
[00:23] <tsimonq2> go through the DD process and you'll understand why I get PTSD :P
[00:24] <tsimonq2> Imagine a 3 month long process where you have to read and interpret a book's worth of licenses
[00:24] <tsimonq2> It's hardcore
[00:27] <tsimonq2> If you're running Kinetic and finding issues related to libfm-qt-common, I just uploaded a fix for that.
[00:27] <tsimonq2> Please test Jammy -> Kinetic upgrades to confirm this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libfm-qt/1.1.0-0ubuntu5
[00:31] <teward> tsimonq2: oh i know.
[00:31] <teward> it was pain to get my DM
[00:31] <teward> the only advantage is that packaging and following package policy is about identical between Ubu and Debian
[00:31] <teward> and the only reason I haven't jumped on DD yet is because I have no need to.  Yet.
[00:32] <guiverc> thanks tsimonq2, I'm on kinetic and no issues under my normal usage
 "it was pain to get my DM" <- It is 10x worse for DD. I've done both, I'd know :P
[00:36] <teward> oh yes i know
[00:36] <teward> coredev is probably easier than DD XD
[00:37] <teward> ... oh wait I have core dev.  NEVERMIND :P
[00:37] <tsimonq2> Yes core dev is easier
[00:37] <tsimonq2> Core dev is one meeting roast, DD is like 10
[00:37] <teward> heheheh
[00:37] <tsimonq2> I automatically have respect for and take the time to applaud the people who achieve DD status
[00:37] <teward> you mean like Robie :P
[00:38] <teward> aaanyways guess what chaos i discovered tsimonq2
[00:38] <tsimonq2> oh?
[00:38] <teward> **qemu-system-{ARCH}** via qemu-system-misc and other packages.  I can now replicate the entire build farm xD
[00:38] <teward> including risc
[00:39] <teward> oh also in case you missed it i have a 'junk' PPA i have in case you need riscv test builds.  thank you limited-use coredev power :P
[00:39] <tsimonq2> :P
[00:40] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: Looks like Monica liked the tweet ;) https://twitter.com/LubuntuOfficial/status/1534685682270146562
 ye monica's good that way
[00:42] <guiverc> :)   great tweet   (I'd HEART it if I knew which account I was reading it in, but its probably not mine so won't)
[00:43] <tsimonq2> https://twitter.com/communiteatime/status/1534694974465392641 that too :)
 Congrats @arraybolt3 (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: Looks like Monica liked the tweet ;) https://twitter.com/LubuntuOfficial/status/1534685682270146562)
 *hands arraybolt a gold star made from tinfoil*
 sorry the 24 karat gold is currently in use elsewhere
[00:48]  * tsimonq2 steals the 24 karat and gives it to vorlon
[00:48] <tsimonq2> (Or Colin, both equally worthy. :P)
 the gold is actually in use to coerce Canonical IS to fix some very important things 😔
 so i mean
[00:49] <tsimonq2> close enough XD
 both colin and vorlon could definitely use some extra dosh for all their work and effort but
 think of it this way
 would you want the lubuntu site hacked and spam posted every other day?  :P
 hence why IS needs some coercion
[00:53] <teward> but i digress
[00:54] <teward> *uses Simon's DD to force changes in certain packages in Debian due to ERR:UNMAINTAINEDCRAP*
[01:01] <kc2bez[m]> > Simon Quigley: I think we need `libkf5dbusaddons-dev` as a cala build depend now.
[01:01] <kc2bez[m]> Simon Quigley what did you think about this?
[01:48] <guiverc> calamares isn't starting on 20220508  :(
[01:48] <guiverc> s/0508/0608 ^
[01:49] <guiverc> firefox isn't starting either from ubuntu-bug :(  i thought that one was fixed..
 guiverc: in the daily?
[01:51] <guiverc> yeah
 (ubuntu-bug on the firefox package will point at the transition package from deb to snap so might not help much there)
 *downloads the daily and preps qemu*
[01:51] <kc2bez[m]> Yes, we need to fix the Calamares start script. That is part of calamares-settings-ubuntu though
[01:52] <kc2bez[m]> Which is also in proposed.
[01:52] <guiverc> ack... & thanks kc2bez[m]
[01:53] <kc2bez[m]> Also not sure if Calamares needs to be built against libkf5dbusaddons-dev  to start correctly, it might.
[01:54] <guiverc> 1978040  (sorry no link as this is my primary box)
[01:54] <kc2bez[m]> For now I recommend starting it from the terminal.
[01:54] <guiverc> failed to start from menu, desktop icon OR menu
[01:54] <guiverc> sorry, or terminal
[01:54] <kc2bez[m]> No problem
[01:54] <guiverc> that was what was on daily only though... still to try -proposed
[01:55] <kc2bez[m]> I sort of expected it to fail to start.
[01:56] <guiverc> Alas I didn't (otherwise I'd have delayed my lxqt 1.1.0 post becoming public)
[01:57] <kc2bez[m]> LXQt should be all set, just Calamares woes for a few.
[01:58] <guiverc> yeah.. I only 'smoke-tested' LXQt 1.1 prior to my 'push-to-publish'
[01:59] <guiverc> kc2bez[m], you mentioned calamares-settings-ubuntu ^  did you mean -lubuntu ?
[01:59] <guiverc> I'm using 22.10.1 calamares-settings-lubuntu, nothing newer is detected though
[02:00] <kc2bez[m]> Yes, that too is in proposed
[02:00] <kc2bez[m]> 22.10.2
[02:01] <guiverc> thanks !   alas 22.10.1 is all that's currently detected on this box currently... may need to wait
[02:01] <kc2bez[m]> Yup, they are fresh uploads
[02:01]  * guiverc meant by this box I meant the box I'm doing install to, not where I type here
[02:02] <kc2bez[m]> Sure, I followed you.
[02:03] <kc2bez[m]> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calamares-settings-ubuntu/1:22.10.2
[02:03] <guiverc> Thanks kc2bez[m]
[02:03] <kc2bez[m]> Sure thing.
[02:04] <kc2bez[m]> I still anticipate bugs.
[02:04] <arraybolt3[m]> Good grief, what are Simon Quigley and teward doing to each other???
[02:04] <arraybolt3[m]> guiverc: To get Calamares to launch from the terminal, you have to "sudo -E bash" first.
[02:04] <arraybolt3[m]> guiverc: Then "export $(dbus-launch)"
[02:04] <guiverc> Damn.... that box just fell over completely...
[02:04] <arraybolt3[m]> guiverc: Then "calamares -D6". That launches it. Don't expect it to install.
[02:05] <kc2bez[m]> Ouch
[02:05] <guiverc> did i type the command incorrectly... if so VERY SORRY FOR THAT; I should have put my glasses on so I could detected typos!
[02:05] <kc2bez[m]> Haha
[02:06] <kc2bez[m]> Nah @arraybolt3 had a bit of a workaround there.
[02:06] <guiverc> ouch... yeah sorry I completely missed the 'bash' I'd have sworn I typed...
[02:07] <kc2bez[m]> But if you aren't using the versions in proposed it won't be too long before you find a failure ;)
[02:07] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: I'm a little late to the party, can you tell me what all needs testing again, if you're still on?
[02:08] <kc2bez[m]> I think we need to let a few packages migrate and then we should test an upgrade.
[02:08] <arraybolt3[m]> OK. In the mean time I'll wrap up my other bug reports. I did a live session test and it was a good chunk of chaos.
[02:09] <kc2bez[m]> Cool
[02:11] <arraybolt3[m]> Got my support thrown behind the Calamares failure to start.
[02:11] <arraybolt3[m]> guiverc: Pinging.
[02:11] <guiverc> present teacher  (putting head back down on desk)
 "Ooh me too, which state? I'm..." <- MO.
 "Dan Simmons arraybolt3 @..." <- I would like Cala repacked, since there's another bug that is revealed after the one with fstab ssd_extra_mount_options is fixed. I'd like to get that reported, so having an official compile that reveals the bug would be quite helpful.
[02:17] <kc2bez[m]> arraybolt3[m]: He already did that ;)
[02:18] <arraybolt3[m]> Agh, I missed it. Thank you, does that mean I should be pulling it from -proposed?
[02:18] <arraybolt3[m]> Also, any other stuff I should pull from -proposed?
[02:19] <kc2bez[m]> You can pull it from -proposed or just wait a few for it to migrate, your call.
[02:19] <kc2bez[m]> libfm-qt is in -proposed too.
[02:19] <arraybolt3[m]> 👍 And I thought I saw something about PCManFM-Qt?
[02:19] <arraybolt3[m]> (I skimmed the backlog, but I was gone for a while doing lawn mowing, so I missed a lot.)
[02:22] <kc2bez[m]> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm-qt/1.1.0-0ubuntu2
[02:22] <kc2bez[m]> also in -proposed
[02:33] <guiverc> just fyi:  2nd box does detect calares-settings-ubuntu-common & calamares-settings-lubuntu at 10.22.2 in -proposed
[02:34] <arraybolt3[m]> guiverc: Nice. Sadly, my desktop just lost Internet (not my Chromebook though for some reason), and I can't reset the router for another half hour or so without causing chaos, so... Here's hoping a reboot makes things work 🤞
[02:34] <guiverc> or a correctly 22.10.2 anyway
[02:37]  * guiverc has killed another GUI..  ~repeating the steps on first box..
[02:38] <kc2bez[m]> ouch
[02:38]  * arraybolt3[m] just had my GUI on a perfectly stable system go haywire, but now it's working
[02:39] <arraybolt3[m]> Crud, it's my router's fault. Great. Well...
[02:40] <guiverc> both boxes have empty /var/crash/, nothing stands out in dmesg, or journalctl (at least to me)
[02:40] <arraybolt3[m]> guiverc: How are you causing the GUI crash? I can try to replicate it here, if that's helpful.
[02:41] <guiverc> personally I'm happy to wait for the -proposed promoted...   the GUI is going down during `apt upgrade` trying to get the 22.10.2 package(s)
[02:41] <kc2bez[m]> guiverc: That makes sense to wait.
[02:42] <guiverc> I was using qterminal for the `apt upgrade calamares` or whatever i typed (screens gone so can't see & qterminal didn't cleanly closed so command never saved in log)
[02:42] <kc2bez[m]> They should be through in an hour or less.
[02:43] <guiverc> i've seen nothing that is of concern though; just unexpected behavior that isn't worth any worry (yet anyway)
[02:47] <kc2bez[m]> riscv builds might hold things up, they are always slow though.
[03:06] <kc2bez[m]> I am off to a horizontal position for a bit. I will read through the backlog when I wake up. Let me know if there is anything you need.
[03:20] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh, shoot, I just realized I only updated the config for Lubuntu, and now my commit message on calamares-settings-ubuntu says I updated the config for Calamares 3.3.0 when that includes Ubuntu Studio... I had better fix that pretty soon.
[03:21] <kc2bez[m]> No worries, I knew that. Simon jumped the gun a little ;) we'll get it fixed up.
[03:22] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh OK. I'm downloading Ubuntu Studio Kinetic ATM and should be able to update the config there, too.
[03:23] <arraybolt3[m]> Crud, now my Internet's going unstable again... Well, at least it's not a heart attack moment. Thanks for averting my panic.
[03:34] <arraybolt3[m]> I'm going to be off for about an hour and a half until I can safely start doing large downloads again, since my Internet is going weird and someone else is using it for the next hour and a half on something that can't be interrupted. Be back soon!
[04:59] <tsimonq2> > <@kc2bez:matrix.org> > Simon Quigley: I think we need `libkf5dbusaddons-dev` as a cala build depend now.
[04:59] <tsimonq2> >
[04:59] <tsimonq2> > Simon Quigley what did you think about this?
[04:59] <tsimonq2> Bet
 "MO." <- Drive to SELF in Charlotte, NC this weekend ;)
 "I'm going to be off for about an..." <- Have fun! Congrats again on your first upload ;)
 "Drive to SELF in Charlotte, NC..." <- Man, I wish I could. I looked into what SELF is earlier, it looks SO FUN. But, sadly, extenuating circumstances won't make room for that to happen.
[05:21] <arraybolt3[m]> On the bright side, I'm back online and am installing the latest packages from -proposed!
 "Man, I wish I could. I looked..." <- Next year so you can drink with me :D
[05:25]  * tsimonq2 is 20, makes me feel old since I first popped in this channel at 13
[05:28] <arraybolt3[m]> Gah, I'm getting confused trying to type and test at the same time...
[05:28]  * guiverc smiles; welcome to my world :)
[05:28] <arraybolt3[m]> Umm. OK, the new Calamares has a problem.
[05:28] <arraybolt3[m]> Getting camera ready...
[05:29]  * guiverc is nearly always confused
[05:29]  * arraybolt3[m] uploaded an image: (2071KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/SbIOpQbUadflJUDMpphbsqHt/IMG_20220609_002857.jpg >
[05:29] <arraybolt3[m]> Don't get me wrong, sometimes dark theme is cool, but this might be taking it a bit too far...
[05:32] <arraybolt3[m]> guiverc: You should have seen me in the Ubuntu support channel yesterday. Long story short, don't ever delete all your kernels in an encrypted Ubuntu installation. Wow the level of confusion that brings...
[05:32] <arraybolt3[m]> I would not have been able to solve the problem had it not been for EriC^.
[05:34] <guiverc> Yeah, having others step in & help is wonderful.
[05:36] <arraybolt3[m]> Also, the new Calamares is showing that "The commands use variables that are not defined. Missing variables are: i." error again. Is this possibly a config problem, or a Calamares problem? Looking at the console output, it looks like it's happening in the contextual process job immediately after bootloader installation.
[06:07] <LeoK[m]> Late congrats to arraybolt3 well done - nice work!
[06:07] <arraybolt3[m]> Leo K: Thanks! Hope I get to be more helpful in the future!
 "Also, the new Calamares is..." <- Oh, I see what happened there. We need to use `${ROOT}` instead of `'ROOT'` for our shellprocesses
[13:20] <tsimonq2> Plsconfirm :)
[13:21] <kc2bez[m]> Working on it
[13:21] <kc2bez[m]> https://github.com/calamares/calamares/blob/calamares/src/modules/shellprocess/shellprocess.conf#L16
[13:26] <kc2bez[m]> Oh I am this >< close. The log copy failed but I am quite certain that has to do with the way we are starting this thing.
[13:26] <kc2bez[m]> Can confirm though we want `${ROOT}`
[13:27] <kc2bez[m]> Gah! failed to boot
[13:35] <kc2bez[m]> Also
[13:36] <kc2bez[m]> It looks like all this module https://github.com/lubuntu-team/calamares-settings-ubuntu/blob/ubuntu/kinetic/lubuntu/modules/after_bootloader_context.conf
[13:36] <kc2bez[m]> does is remove the desktop file for the installer on the installed system now.
[13:36] <kc2bez[m]> I think we can simplify that some.
[13:37] <kc2bez[m]> Need to take a break for a few.
 I have tried in the appearance to put qt5-styles-ukui that is in the repositories and it is very nice
[15:29] <tsimonq2> Hi from GRB
[15:30] <tsimonq2> Security was a breeze
[19:16] <kgiii> For any testers today: It took multiple tries to zsync. It'd start and then 404. I'd blame my connection (satellite and cloudy day), but other things remained connected. It seems to be better now, but I am just a single data point.
 I had no trouble with zsync about an hour ago (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <kgiii> For any testers today: It took multiple tries to zsync. It'd start and then 404. I'd blame my connection (satellite and cloudy day), but other things remained connected. It seems to be better now, but I am just a single data point.)
 Still unable to install from desktop icon - take it same problem awaiting fix - pls excuse been away a bit
[19:34] <kgiii> Hmm... About an hour ago would have probably been right around the time I decided to take a break from trying to download the image.
 Strange -but yes could be yr connection (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <kgiii> Hmm... About an hour ago would have probably been right around the time I decided to take a break from trying to download the image.)
[20:02] <kgiii> @leokolb Yeah, it could be - though it was a 404 error. Lemme see if I have any of the error in my scrollback.
[20:02] <kgiii> ###################- 98.6%bad status code 404
 quick re zsync no problem here
 quick re zsync no problem here (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <kgiii> @leokolb Yeah, it could be - though it was a 404 error. Lemme see if I have any of the error in my scrollback.)
[20:21] <kgiii> Yeah, it's fine now. I've seen a bunch of zsync errors, but this one was a 404. That (and the rest of the body of evidence) makes me think it wasn't my connection. 404 == 'not found' and is generally a server error. But, I don't know enough about zsync to be certain. Ah well, at least it's working fine now.
 "[telegram] <Leokolb> Still..." <- Yup, not fixed yet. I will try to work on it tonight.
 "Oh, I see what happened there..." <- Bah, you're right. I changed @@ROOT@@ to `ROOT` thinking the backticks were the surrounding thingy. Nope. Now I see it.
[21:38] <kc2bez[m]> arraybolt3[m]: No worries, I got the install to proceed but it didn't boot. I didn't do anything after that.
[21:39] <arraybolt3[m]> Well, we're getting somewhere! I've gotta make Ubuntu Studio's config anyway, so I'll put that fix in as part of the process.
[21:40] <kc2bez[m]> This module needs to be totally re-written in my opinion: https://github.com/lubuntu-team/calamares-settings-ubuntu/blob/ubuntu/kinetic/lubuntu/modules/after_bootloader_context.conf
[21:41] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah, I can't even make heads or tails of the comment (is it just me?)
[21:42] <kc2bez[m]> The comment is leftover from the very first iteration of the module, take a look at the history on the file and it will make more sense.
[21:42] <kc2bez[m]> Now all we have it doing is removing the installer desktop file and I think I know how to do that another way.
[21:43] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, that makes more sense.
[21:44] <arraybolt3[m]> Shell process rather than contextual process? And there's only one user to begin with so a simple ls ${ROOT}/home ought to do it.
[21:46] <kc2bez[m]> Right, `rm ${ROOT}/home/${USER}/Desktop/lubuntu-calamares.desktop`
[21:46] <arraybolt3[m]> ${USER} didn't see that existed (I just woke up, so...)
[21:47] <kc2bez[m]> all good
[21:51] <arraybolt3[m]> Crud, I think I just mangled my fork of calamares-settings-ubuntu on GitHub. Can I just delete it, refork it, and try again?
[21:51] <kc2bez[m]> Yes, you should be able to.
[23:01] <arraybolt3[m]> Just got a successful install with Calamares 3.3.0. Installed system is able to boot, ran Firefox just fine. Config is in https://github.com/ArrayBolt3/calamares-settings-ubuntu
[23:02] <arraybolt3[m]> (Still not updated Ubuntu Studio config though.)
[23:02] <arraybolt3[m]> (Wow, my grammar is horrible!)
[23:09] <kc2bez[m]> We will need a changelog too
[23:09] <arraybolt3[m]> Right, still not done that.
[23:09] <arraybolt3[m]> Trying to multitask, thank you for reminding me!
[23:10] <kc2bez[m]> No problem.
[23:10] <kc2bez[m]> https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/packaging/changelog/
[23:11] <kc2bez[m]> Let me know if you have questions or need help.
[23:18] <arraybolt3[m]> Dan Simmons: Is there any packages I need other than devscripts and the ones mentioned in the Ubuntu packaging guide, and should I do the whole packaging guide setup?
[23:19] <arraybolt3[m]> Also, should I wait to do the changelog until after I have Ubuntu Studio's config done?
[23:20] <Eickmeyer> It's been said 3 times, I've been summoned ala Beetlejuice.
[23:20] <kc2bez[m]> Lol
[23:21] <arraybolt3[m]> Eickmeyer: I'm working on fixing the Calamares config to work with Calamares 3.3.0, and Ubuntu Studio uses Calamares also, so I need to make everything work for both operating systems.
[23:21] <arraybolt3[m]> (So far we only got Lubuntu patched up)
[23:21] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3[m]: Ack, kinda thought that was what was going on. Thanks for your work!
[23:21] <arraybolt3[m]> That's why I keep mentioning Ubuntu Studio.
[23:21] <Eickmeyer> No worries, just couldn't miss the joke opportunity that didn't go over Dan's head.
[23:22] <kc2bez[m]> arraybolt3[m]: No, I do group entries together a little but each thing I change gets an entry.
[23:22] <arraybolt3[m]> Dan Simmons: Oh, because you're able to add entries as you go. OK, that makes sense.
[23:22] <kc2bez[m]> General rule for me is do a thing, make a changelog entry, git add, git commit, rinse and repeat.
[23:23] <arraybolt3[m]> Dan Simmons: Nice, will do.
[23:23] <kc2bez[m]> LEt me glance at the requirements a bit and give some guidance there. Basically leave off anything that refers to phab.
[23:25] <kc2bez[m]> Yeah, since this a source package you don't have to deal with quilt either.
[23:26] <kc2bez[m]> You have a ssh key so you should be good there too.
[23:28] <kc2bez[m]> It looks like devscripts, debhelper and the 2.B.b. configuration stuff here.
[23:32] <kc2bez[m]> Everyone has their different ways to setup their development system. I always have a lubuntu VM for the development release and do my development stuff there. When the cycle closes and it actually gets released I clone my VM and upgrade the clone to the next development release. I leave the old one available as long as we support it in case I have to do an SRU or just want to build something on that release.
[23:37] <arraybolt3[m]> Dan Simmons: That sounds like a smart setup. I'll do that.
[23:42] <arraybolt3[m]> Dan Simmons: I'm fighting with making a GPG key. I made the key, but now I don't know what part to upload to the keyserver, since the instructions are outdated.
[23:44] <kc2bez[m]> Yeah, gpg is fun. I should have told you to stop at the extra stuff.
[23:44] <kc2bez[m]> You will need one eventually though.
[23:45] <kc2bez[m]> General rule of thumb with keys. Keep them safe. Only upload the pub one.
[23:46] <arraybolt3[m]> Dan Simmons: Right, but I don't know if the key I'm looking at is public or not. I think it is, but I'd hate to have been wrong LOL
[23:46] <arraybolt3[m]> After I made the key, I got this output (redacted for privacy, I'll pastebin it)
[23:47] <kc2bez[m]> yeah, don't
[23:48] <kc2bez[m]> If you made a key you can get the pub stuff you need back out later
[23:48] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh OK.
[23:48] <arraybolt3[m]> (I turned what I think was the public key into 0s just in case, but if I shouldn't do that, I'll just leave it. It's not on Pastebin yet, so 👍)
[23:49] <kc2bez[m]> These are the instructions for generating and adding your key to launchpad. https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/ImportingYourPGPKey
[23:50] <arraybolt3[m]> Bookmarked it.
[23:50] <kc2bez[m]> The `Using GPG to manage OpenPGP keys` section should work on any machine.
[23:51] <arraybolt3[m]> Nice. I only use Linux and Chrome OS, and I do everything Linux specific on my main Linux box or in a Chrome OS Linux developer terminal, so I don't need anything for Windows or macOS.
[23:52] <kc2bez[m]> I should have specified any machine with GPG installed.
[23:57] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, added SSH key to Launchpad.
[23:58] <arraybolt3[m]> So then I finish with doing the config files and making the changelog, then push to GitHub. Is that it?
[23:58] <arraybolt3[m]> (Have to go afk for a bit, brb)


[00:48] <arraybolt3> Possibly silly question, but does there already exist a tool for determining what packages could use merging from Debian? I know we have merges.ubuntu.com to help with merges, but AFAICT it just shows when packages have a difference, not when a package version in Ubuntu is falling behind and needs the Debian version pulled in.
[00:49] <arraybolt3> Since Ubuntu has managed to work for years, I assume something like this already exists or there's a reason why it's not necessary, but if it would be helpful, perhaps something that took all the packages in Ubuntu and all the packages in Debian and used dpkg --compare-versions on them to see if Ubuntu has an equal or newer version - does that seem like a useful tool? That way anything that
[00:49] <arraybolt3> needed a merge would pop out and could be dealt with.
[01:17] <jbicha> arraybolt3: that's what merges.ubuntu.com does 😉
[01:17] <arraybolt3> Maybe you can show me what page? I kept seeing awfully old stuff in there, places where Ubuntu and Debian had diverged in packaging but were still probably keeping on par as far as version number.
[01:18] <arraybolt3> I don't want to try to do a merge on some ancient relic that isn't in sync for a good reason.
[01:18] <jbicha> https://merges.ubuntu.com/main and https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe
[01:19] <jbicha> you would need to compare the debian/changelog files and the packaging diff to see why Ubuntu has diverged
[01:20] <arraybolt3> Yeah, but that takes a while, and if I'm just wanting to help clean up merges for the sake of keeping Ubuntu maintained, I don't want to pour a few hours into seeing why something diverged only to learn "Yeah ok this is *supposed* to have diverged, I can't do anything with it".
[01:20] <jbicha> here's one example: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/wpa . There is an infobox labeled Ubuntu wit ha link to "patches for 2:2.10-10ubuntu1"
[01:20] <arraybolt3> Or is nothing supposed to have diverged and stayed that way and so any sync can be cleaned up and is helpful?
[01:21] <jbicha> I can look at the packaging diff and then look at the new debian/changelog entries and realize that Ubuntu's changes made it into Debian so I'll go ahead and manually sync the wpa package now
[01:23] <jbicha> yes, it takes manual work to review new Debian changes when Ubuntu's packaging is different. That is why it's helpful for Ubuntu developers to upstream our changes to Debian
[01:24] <arraybolt3> I'm guessing I must just not understand the purpose of merges.ubuntu.com entirely - I think what you're talking about helped. I'll possibly take a swing at it and see what I can make happen.
[01:24] <arraybolt3> (I thought there were some packages that diverged and then stayed that way, it sounds more like everything should eventually be merged at some point so just going in, finding a merge that needs done, and doing it is helpful.)
[01:24] <jbicha> sometimes, our changes aren't appropriate for Debian so it's not possible. Sometimes our changes might be accepted into Debian but it takes extra work for it to be acceptable to Debian
[01:25] <jbicha> sometimes Ubuntu developers are too busy and just fix the Ubuntu issue. And then someone can come along later and either manually merge or try to push the work into Debian
[01:26] <arraybolt3> That makes sense.
[09:12] <tintou> Hi there! I've opened a SRU https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/appstream/+bug/2006110 if anyone has time to sponsor it that would be great 😇
[09:12] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2006110 in appstream (Ubuntu) "[SRU] Update to latest bugfix release for jammy" [Undecided, New]
[09:35] <ricotz> tintou, hi, you will need to subscribe ubuntu-sponsors and attach a debdiff? while even kinetic has a lower version it would require this SRU update first
[15:31] <bdmurray> bryceh: 2.1.2-1
[15:37] <bdmurray> bryceh: I'm seeing output now but upgraded to lunar over the weekend so ?
[16:04] <bdmurray> !dmb-ping
[16:04] <teward> *burps loudly*
[16:04] <utkarsh21021> :P
[19:42] <rbasak> ahasenack, dannf: FYI, https://code.launchpad.net/~racb/git-ubuntu/+git/usd-importer/+merge/436915 should fix the openssh imports
[20:50] <vpa1977> Hi, in debian there are new versions of openjdk (openjdk-8, openjdk-11, openjdk-17). Since I've made builds for the security release early they have 0ubuntu version. Would it be possible to run sync from debian for those packages to pull in debian versions?
[20:51] <vpa1977> Thank you! =)
[20:52] <mwhudson> vpa1977: are the debian and ubuntu versions the same?
[20:52] <mwhudson> were we in sync before the security release?
[20:52] <vpa1977> yes, the openjdk-8 contains fixes for sparc64 from the maintainer
[20:52] <vpa1977> yes
[20:54] <mwhudson> can't sync openjdk-11 / openjdk-lts surely?
[20:56] <vpa1977> Not sure about sync process, looks like -lts is always Xubuntu, so those are manually uploaded -> the package should not be touched then
[20:56] <mwhudson> i mean a sync will preserve the source package name :-)
[20:57] <mwhudson> but the other two look doable, let me just do some pedantic due diligence
[20:57] <vpa1977> -8 is maintained in debian and -17 was always in sync
[22:01] <bryceh> bdmurray, interesting, well that's good.  I'm not spotting anything in terminator's 2.1.2 changelog suggesting a fix but who knows.  If you were running 2.1.1 previously, that should have displayed the log urls as clickable (works for me).  But for <2.0 terminator they didn't support clickable urls, which is why the -L flag is there.
[22:03] <bryceh> it's possible screen is involved in some fashion, like filtering out the clickable links or something, but I'm not as familiar with its use so don't know.  screen 4.9.0-4 has some unicode fixes in it, that may have improved behavior.
[22:04] <bdmurray> bryceh: oh actually it doesn't work I had '--show-urls' in the comamnd and it is screen that is the problem
[22:04] <bryceh> bdmurray, anyway, glad it's working.  ideas for improving UX with this are welcome.  It's proven hard to programmatically detect clickable-url support in terminals, so hard to work around seamlessly
[22:05] <bryceh> bdmurray, ah screen filters the links out?
[22:07] <bryceh> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/575337/using-terminal-escape-sequences-within-gnu-screen?noredirect=1&lq=1
[22:07] <bryceh> bdmurray, ^^ that may be the issue
[22:08] <bdmurray> bryceh: and `--show-urls` doesn't do anything for the results log
[22:08] <bryceh> bdmurray, if you file a bug report against ppa-dev-tools I can try to tinker with it and see if it can be improved
[22:09] <bdmurray> I'll report a bug about the `--show-urls` issue and the results - the screen issue IDK how important that is
[22:12] <bryceh> yeah I don't know how fixable the screen issue is, but if nothing else it'll flag the issue if others run into it.  People do use screen.  The unicode for creating the links isn't well specified or standardized, so there's some variability in how they're constructed.  Possibly a different formatting would make screen work.
[22:12] <bryceh> the missing log urls is going to be an easy fix
[23:13] <bdmurray> bryceh: I've reported a bug or two


[00:10] <flan> My point was that it's not hard to learn.
[00:10] <flan> And they're not confusing after you know how they work.
[00:11]  * flan has one evening to put together a plan for AppDevWeek...
[00:13] <flan> Has jenkins built a PPA that we can use to spread the code or should I make tarballs available?
[00:44] <flan> Anyone here on Lucid?
[07:39] <humphreybc> test?