[17:27] <BenPA> shadeslayer: FYI the last line I gave was under MeM window : 0xe8000000-0xe80ffff
[17:27] <shadeslayer> BenPA: ok
[17:27] <kaddi> graytech: I can really only give you hints, cause I did not ask how he fixed his problems. He said the problem was the separate partition and that he fixed the path to his partition to work
[17:27] <shadeslayer> BenPA: did you check the ISO and the USB/CD after writing to it?
[17:28] <kaddi> graytech: when you log into command line are you in your home folder?
[17:28] <graytech> kaddi: yes
[17:28] <BenPA> shadeslayer: I downloaded from auto install update program
[17:29] <BenPA> shadeslayer: I think it was apt
[17:29] <graytech> the partitions work great on the cli ... I also had a version of Suse running fine in this configuation. I also had Ubuntu server with Gnome runinng without a problem ... it's just when I try KDE
[17:29] <BenPA> shadeslayer: the update/ upgrade icon appeared and I just clicked on it
[17:30] <shadeslayer> BenPA: ok,looks like some of the packages have not been configured.... not sure though
[17:30] <graytech> I just want to run Ubuntu with KDE and still have the raid available for users home directories
[17:30] <BenPA> shadeslayer: ok ... what should I try
[17:31] <graytech> I've been at this now for almost two days with countless installs (each taking over an hour)
[17:31] <Shaxor_> HI, I got my samba shares to work now but every time i try to move or copy a file over, a authorization dialog comes up and asks for a username and password but i don't know them, is there something im doing wrong?
[17:31] <kaddi> graytech: sry I can't help with that probably. Last ressort if you believe that it might be a kde problem, then you could try moving the .kde folder to .kde-backup and try to login again.. but I guess it isn't seeing the home
[17:31] <amik> Shaxor_: maybe user 'guest' with no password?
[17:32] <shadeslayer> BenPA: just keep asking here,maybe someone will eventually come up with a answer
[17:32] <BenPA> shadeslayer: ugh
[17:32] <BenPA> shadeslayer: should I try and download iso maybe?
[17:33] <shadeslayer> BenPA: im sorry but all i can think of is a)a reinstall or b)try a chroot
[17:33] <graytech> well ... I wil try and experiment with the home folder. but I'm getting discuouraged as this is taking up a ton of my time. I was pretty excited about the idea when I started
[17:33] <BenPA> shadeslayer: what is chroot?
[17:33] <BenPA> or how do I do a reinstall?
[17:34] <shadeslayer> BenPA: well you take a live cd and try to get into the installed system via a terminal
[17:34] <kgeek> roKB: does that retro messanger worked on  ur system
[17:34] <shadeslayer> BenPA: download a ISO,write to a CD or USB drive
[17:34] <mauri> is it possble install karmic on external usb Hard drive?
[17:34] <BenPA> ok, I will try the download .... luckily I have 2 machines
[17:35] <BenPA> ok, I will try the download .... which is the fasted download?
[17:36] <graytech> thanks for the ideas however kaddi. At least it has prevented me from hitting a dead end. I'm off to go at this some more. Take care, Gray
[17:36] <Shaxor_> no luck Amik
[17:36] <kaddi> I wish you good luck graytech, I hope you'll find your solution soon :)
[17:36] <graytech> kaddi: thx
[17:36] <Shaxor_> also how do i whisper some one?
[17:41] <Shaxor_> HI, I got my samba shares to work now but every time i try to move or copy a file over, a authorization dialog comes up and asks for a username and password but i don't know them, is there something im doing wrong?
[17:45] <mauri> is it possble install karmic on external usb Hard drive?
[17:45] <Shaxor_> HI, I got my samba shares to work now but every time i try to move or copy a file over, but before it moves, a authorization dialog comes up and asks for a username and password but i don't know them, is there something im doing wrong?
[17:48] <Shaxor_> anyone?
[17:48] <Shaxor_> HI, I got my samba shares to work now but every time i try to move or copy a file over, but before it moves, a authorization dialog comes up and asks for a username and password but i don't know them, is there something im doing wrong?
[17:48] <amik> Shaxor_: sorry...
[17:49] <Shaxor_> Don't worry about it
[17:49] <Shaxor_> Just trying to see if anyone else has had this problem and a way to fix it or get around it
[17:49] <amik> Shaxor_: did u tinker around with all the settings when right-clicking on a folder and choosing the sharing options? I recall it needed some getting used to till I got mine working (but I don't remember the particular steps I took)
[17:52] <tehboriz>  hey guys i just updated to 9.10... and my wireless doesn't work anymore :( ndiswrapper is fine but my hidden network won't connect.. wifi-radar doesn't work either
[17:53] <Shaxor_> Well I tried using that but all it did was lock me out of my network, so some one told me to configur samba my self, I can set share folders but i can't  move files form the other computers on my network, when i try it asks to a password and a username
[17:53] <Shockrates> guys
[17:53] <Shockrates> i have a laptop intel core 2 duo 2.54ghz. is using gentoo a wise choice? i dont like to wait to long to compile
[17:53] <amik> Shockrates: oh, so it's accessible from other machines but in read-only mode?
[17:54] <tehboriz> Shockrates, you should be using kubuntu...
[17:54] <Shockrates> i am
[17:54] <tehboriz> good choice
[17:55] <Shaxor_> I can't move folders from the other computers on my network, but the folders on ther other computer are set to let anyone in them and move them around
[17:55] <genu> hey, I don't know what I did..but now when I try to install new software from the software manager, I get this message: "You do not have the necessary privileges to perform this action."
[17:55] <genu> what can i do?
[17:56] <genu> (I had changed some settings for my user from the user manager, but I've set them back...)
[17:56] <tehboriz> genu, run it under console with sudo in front of it
[17:56] <genu> infront of what?
[17:56] <tehboriz> so nobody knows how to get wireless working again?
[17:56] <tehboriz> genu, in konsole type in sudo kpackagekit
[17:57] <genu> o ok...how can I make it work, however, by just openeing it normally?
[17:57] <tehboriz> uhh
[17:58] <tehboriz> heh good question i dont know im nub at linux
[17:58] <genu> o ok...i guess I can do sudo for now...
[17:58] <amik> Shaxor_: can u copy a file from a different computer into the ubuntu folder (when accessed from the other computer)?
[17:59] <tehboriz> genu, i actually get the same error if i do it without the console
[17:59] <Shaxor_> I haven't tried
[17:59] <Shaxor_> Should i?
[18:02] <teliti> Hi. Does anyone  knows how to get the mic working on Nenovo s10e?
[18:03] <teliti> Alsasound is ok, but no in e.g. Skype ...
[18:03] <fl4sh> :( hi there guys
[18:03] <fl4sh> Hardyhorn:
[18:03] <kebomix> aaaaaaaaaah ,  i hate ATIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
[18:03] <fl4sh> doens't work :(
[18:03] <kebomix> :@ :@ @
[18:03] <kebomix> this is the 2nd day trying to solve ati driver problem :S :S
[18:04] <kebomix> their  catalyst 9.10  cause kernel panic  :S
[18:04] <paul__> I realize that this is not the programming room, but ...  does anyone know a good fortran command to check if a value entered is a real number and not just a random character from the keyboard?
[18:04] <fl4sh> can someone help me with my wlan-problem?
[18:04] <kebomix> paul_: #fortran
[18:05] <fl4sh> I can see my wlan-router, but I can't connect since the upgrade to kubuntu 9.10 :(
[18:06] <tehboriz> ME TOO
[18:07] <paul__> kebomix: no one has spoken in there for 2 days :(
[18:07] <kebomix> fl4sh: click on wifi icon >> connect to other network >> choose your network
[18:08] <kebomix> paul_: why u do programming in fortran ?
[18:08] <tehboriz> kebomix, doesn't work for me it still says not connected
[18:08] <fl4sh> kebomix:
[18:08] <fl4sh> doesn't work
[18:08] <fl4sh> same prob as tehboriz
[18:09] <paul__> I'm editing an old program :(
[18:09] <kebomix> paul_: aha , i do study assembly in college,  have a quiz 2morrow :D
[18:10] <tehboriz> fl4sh, i connected via ethernet and am updating wifi-radar
[18:10] <tehboriz> that might help
[18:10] <kebomix> paul_: may be u can find hel on #fedora
[18:10] <kebomix> help*
[18:11] <Guest25650> Anyone else do a fresh install of 9.10 and have problems with VLC, Banshee, or Listen?
[18:13] <fl4sh_> sorry, chatzilla hat a problem^^
[18:14] <fl4sh_> what exactly do you mean with update wifi radar?
[18:16] <eli_> when i play video i have no sound. but when 9.10 loads i hear the startup tune. what did i do wrong?
[18:18] <tehboriz> fl4sh, my network widget never worked so i used wifi-radar and wicd
[18:18] <fl4sh> mhh
[18:18] <fl4sh> where can I download that?
[18:18] <fl4sh> from windows
[18:19] <fl4sh> have no connection on linux
[18:19] <tehboriz> i dont know yet haha
[18:19] <roKB> kgeek: join smvdu
[18:20] <rork> eli_: you might want to try different sound drivers for your video to see if one works, I'm not an expert but the configured driver might not work or be occupied by another program
[18:21] <TheCan> Hi. I am having SEVERE issues with copy/paste in karmic. It seems like no data is being copied from qt apps like kontact :( any ideas?
[18:23] <tehboriz> fl4sh, i got it working... sudo apt-get install wicd, logout and back in
[18:23] <tehboriz> i dont know how youc an get it through another computer though sorry
[18:24] <Sphinx> Hello all
[18:24] <jeroen_> hi there
[18:25] <jeroen_> any experts with xorg server?
[18:25] <bigbrovar> anyone use mpd on kubuntu kamric?
[18:25] <Sphinx> jeroen_: may be, say what is the problem
[18:25] <bigbrovar> am wondering if there is a way to get it to use phonon
[18:25] <mfraz74> mpd?
[18:25] <jeroen_> Sphinx: i need to set up my dual screen with my videocard
[18:25] <MaartenLx> bah, repo's are still slow today.... ah well :P
[18:25] <bigbrovar> mpd yeah
[18:25] <jeroen_> Sphinx: I just dont know how
[18:26] <Sphinx> jeroen_: sorry, I do not understand you, what is happening? Describe your problem as well as you can and we will ask you for things we need to know.
[18:26] <eli_> how do i change sound drivers? do i need to? i hear the startup and shutdown tune.
[18:27] <MaartenLx> I have that problem with Kubuntu 4.10 - from what I found so far there is a bug in the latest KDE4 version (independent of distro) that causes you to get the "this module is for configurations with dual monitors which you don't appear to have" message in display properties.... Haven't found a solution yet
[18:27] <bigbrovar> mfraz74> do u use mpd on karmic?
[18:27] <MaartenLx> Is that what you got as well Jeroen?
[18:27] <Sphinx> bigbrovar: how do you use mpd?
[18:27] <jeroen_> Sphinx: I have 2 monitors and a FireGL v5600 videocard. At the moment both monitors show the same. I need them to become 1 desktop instead of 2 views of the same.
[18:27] <Sphinx> bigbrovar: I mena for what purpose
[18:28] <mfraz74> no, i was just wondering what it was. found out now
[18:28] <jeroen_> MaartenLx: nope :(
[18:28] <Sphinx> jeroen_: I am not sure, FireGL is NVIDIA?
[18:28] <jeroen_> Sphinx: ATI
[18:29] <bigbrovar> Sphinx> music player daemon so its for music , more like setting up a backend server for music management
[18:29] <jeroen_> Sphinx: i know that i can setup my view with nvidia-setting but this time i have an ATI card.
[18:29] <Sphinx> jeroen_: try google: ati howto xorg ubuntu OR kubuntu OR xubuntu
[18:29] <jeroen_> i'll try that
[18:29] <MaartenLx> jeroen_:  sounds exactly like the problem I have.....  I have a laptop and a dockingstation with monitor at work, and it only CLONES the desktop, not SPREADS the desktop.... but since it is at work only, (at home I just use the laptop) I have limited time in figuring out what the problem is. I just boot in Windows 7 Professional at work where it works perfectly ;)
[18:29] <Sphinx> jeroen_: yes, I saw some howto, it was pretty easy to google
[18:29] <bigbrovar> Sphinx> so that u can connect to it using a any mpd client like sonata
[18:30] <jeroen_> Sphinx:  thanks i ll take a look
[18:30] <Sphinx> bigbrovar: so on one computer only ..?
[18:30] <jeroen_> MaartenLx: ya same here with vista :)
[18:30] <Sphinx> jeroen_: if you wont have luck, get back here
[18:31] <bigbrovar> Sphinx>  cool thing is u can connect to the server across network, so u can have an mpd server on one machine and connect a client on another machine to it
[18:31] <Sphinx> bigbrovar: yes, that is possible
[18:31] <Sphinx> bigbrovar: okay, so your mpd works, but you can not make phonon use it, okay?
[18:31] <MaartenLx> The solution that I found was running some script.... which also restarts the X server. Which is great for a desktop if you have to only do it once, but sorta sucks if you take the laptop off of your docking stations, into meetings, configuring far away switches, etc, etc.... 4 times a day :P
[18:33] <bigbrovar> Sphinx> am having problem using mpd on kubuntu here is a bug report i filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/463716/comments/5
[18:33] <bigbrovar> Sphinx> posted my mpd config ( the audio part there )
[18:34] <Sphinx> bigbrovar: have you tried any howto ..?
[18:34] <bigbrovar> Sphinx> yeah like its running fine on jaunty
[18:35] <bigbrovar> Sphinx> but on karmic it seems to want to use the sound device exclusively, like it wont work if any other application is using the sound card, and when am running it no other application will be able to play sound
[18:36] <Sphinx> bigbrovar: how about trying pulseaudio?
[18:36] <eli_> OMG nevermind, im such an idiot. i had the PCM volume all the way down. sorry thank you though.
[18:36] <Sphinx> bigbrovar: it acts as sound proxy and enables to use several devices
[18:38] <Sphinx> Sphinx: when several audio applications do not work, it can be problem with pulseaudiosetup
[18:38] <bigbrovar> Sphinx> PA? over my dead body, the thing worked fine in jaunty without requiring PA
[18:38] <Sphinx> hell, that was to bigbrovar
[18:38] <Sphinx> bigbrovar: and are you sure that it is not present?
[18:39] <bigbrovar> Sphinx> PA is not shipped with kubuntu, i dont want to change that
[18:39] <bigbrovar> Sphinx> like hell am sure, i doubled checked, kubuntu doesnt ship PA
[18:39] <Sphinx> bigbrovar: I do not try to convince using that, but just search through your aptitude if it is not present
[18:39] <Sphinx> oakay
[18:39] <Sphinx> bigbrovar: I will try mpd
[18:39] <bigbrovar>  Sphinx> plus i checked the package manager to be double sure
[18:40] <bigbrovar> Sphinx> i did its not present,
[18:40] <Sphinx> bigbrovar: btw, you have some bad experience with it?
[18:40] <bigbrovar> Sphinx> here is a head start http://linuxowns.wordpress.com/2008/07/27/setting-up-mpd-locally/ #mpd
[18:41] <bigbrovar> Sphinx> like i said on jaunty it ran fine without a hitch, i move amarok and stuff but i prefer a kiss music management too l
[18:41] <bigbrovar> tool*
[18:44] <Sphinx> bigbrovar: well, pulseaudio is something different, it is more a server for all sounds
[18:45] <bigbrovar> Sphinx> u think i should install PA?
[18:46] <MaartenLx> okay, really dumb question since I can't seem to find it.... I'm about to go out for shopping, and don't want my laptop to fall asleep while it is downloading software.... SLOWLY... from the repo. Can't seem to find the power/hibernation settings anywhere?
[18:46] <Sphinx> bigbrovar: this is not easy to say, there are different opinions on PA since it requires some configuration and there are more people who said it is problematic, for me it works easily
[18:47] <Sphinx> sorry, simply
[18:47] <rork> MaartenLX: System Setting > Advanced > Power Management?
[18:47] <Sphinx> bigbrovar: I would recommend to try some howtos and introduction PA homepage
[18:48] <MaartenLx> rork: gotcha! thanks.
[18:49] <bigbrovar> Sphinx>  thanks but no thanks, one of the reasons i left gnome was PA.
[18:49] <somekool> hi !
[18:49] <Sphinx> bigbrovar: okay, I will check mpd, but please tell me what wa wrong with PA?
[18:49] <Sphinx> Just for curiosity
[18:50] <somekool> I did some research and I found Ubuntu DistCompilerFlags page and it seems everything is still compiled is -O2 flags. I was wondering if there is any project to recompile everything with -OS or any plan to change those?
[18:50] <somekool> i guess, these flags can be specified on each package definition ? I think KDE and also Ruby would benefit the most from -OS flag
[18:52] <dtchen> bigbrovar: have you updated the bug report?
[18:52] <bigbrovar> yeah i have to the best of my knowledge
[18:53] <Pete_R> Hello people! I've just downloaded 3 kubuntu 9.10 images and none of them matches the hash provided on their home page
[18:53] <Pete_R> is there a problem?
[18:53] <dtchen> well, yes.
[18:54] <dtchen> zsync them from a reliable mirror
[18:56] <cosmo__> mööp
[18:56] <Pete_R> anyway, just downloaded another image
[18:57] <Pete_R> md5sum gives Ok on that
[18:57] <bigbrovar> dtchen> I have to the best of my knowledge :)
[18:57] <Pete_R> tahnk you all!
[18:58] <dtchen> bigbrovar: clearly your mpd configuration is wrong
[18:59] <dtchen> bigbrovar: the fact that it uses hw:0,0 for the alsa device prevents any other application from using audio simultaneously
[18:59] <dtchen> bigbrovar: it doesn't even matter if mpd is paused; it will still block other apps
[18:59] <lilyshu> hi please help me.. i can't play poker on facebook, flash is not working. but i can open youtube video. thanks
[18:59] <bigbrovar> dtchen> well i just stuck with the default..
[19:00] <dtchen> bigbrovar: it needs to use the "default" configuration just as given for mixer_device
[19:00] <bigbrovar> dtchen> can u pastebin a better config? please i would appreciate
[19:00] <dtchen> bigbrovar: change hw:0,0 to default
[19:00] <bigbrovar> ok
[19:00] <dtchen> (as I just described)
[19:00] <bigbrovar> will do that now
[19:01] <dtchen> bigbrovar: you need to make sure *every* application uses alsa's "default"
[19:01] <dtchen> bigbrovar: if even *one* uses plughw or hw, you're screwed
[19:04] <bigbrovar> dtchen> bingo! .. oh thanks mate u are now the coolest guy in the planet
[19:05] <bigbrovar> dtchen> skype and mpd now work happily ..  how can i close the bug?
[19:07] <CupofDice> any solutions for a black screen in dragonplayer? When I login, i don't have that problem with the first video, but afterwards, i get the black or transparent (with desktop effects turned on) screen. I can still hear the sound. VLC is crashing on me (segmentation fault) and mplayer bugs out.
[19:07] <Sphinx> somekool: how do those project benefit from -OS in your opinion?
[19:08] <seige36> hey, does anyone know of a good temperature monitor or widget for kde 4.3?
[19:08] <bigbrovar> dtchen> thanks mate everything now works
[19:09] <bigbrovar> dtchen> turns out it wasnt a kubuntu bug after all
[19:10] <Sphinx> CupofDice: I have not followed your previous posts, what mplayer bugs out?
[19:10] <Sphinx> bigbrovar: it usually is not, but kubuntu users are usually used to things working out of the box I think
[19:10] <CupofDice> ah, my fault. Dragonplayer is the one I want to fix. Mplayer and Vlc are buggy with me, so no need to fix them. Dragonplayer only gives me a black screen.
[19:11] <Sphinx> CupofDice: buggy with you?
[19:11] <Sphinx> CupofDice: sorry, maybe mplayer bugs could bring some idea what is wrong
[19:12] <CupofDice> yeah, Dragonplayer is only giving me a black screen. Even with desktop effects turned off.
[19:12] <CupofDice> will check mplayer again, but it keeps flashing.
[19:13] <CupofDice> [AO_ALSA] Unable to find simple control 'PCM',0. -is what I am getting in mplayer
[19:18] <Sphinx> CupofDice: that may be the problem, do you use pulseaudio?
[19:18] <CupofDice> yeah
[19:18] <Sphinx> CupofDice: and is it running?
[19:19] <Sphinx> CupofDice: I am not sure about dragonplayer, but some sound settings shold be fixed here
[19:19] <CupofDice> HDA NVidia crashes on me though
[19:19] <McCartney> hello everyone
[19:19] <CupofDice> Yeah, pulseaudio is running
[19:19] <Sphinx> CupofDice: what do you mean crash on you?
[19:19] <CupofDice> I am now installing 'alsaplayer-alsa' to see if that helps.
[19:20] <McCartney> the search bar does not appear in dolphin, does any one know a solution for this?
[19:20] <Sphinx> CupofDice: I would try to install all pulse adio related packages
[19:21] <yofel> CupofDice: check in pavucontrol if the main output is muted, karmic's pulse does that sometimes...
[19:21] <seige36> hey, does anyone know of a good temperature monitor or widget for kde 4.3?
[19:22] <d9500> McCartney, was it working at a previous time, and just stopped, or has it never been in dolphin?
[19:22] <Sphinx> CupofDice: also you may be missing some codecs
[19:22] <McCartney> d9500: it has never been, but i've just upgraded now to 9.10, and i expected it to be there
[19:22] <CupofDice> yofel, what is pavucontrol?
[19:22] <McCartney> but still its not!
[19:22] <Sphinx> CupofDice: that could explain problems in mplayer, vlc and dragon
[19:22] <yofel> CupofDice: pulseaudio volume control
[19:23] <Sphinx> CupofDice: it is audio control program in pulseaudio
[19:23] <CupofDice> Kmix?
[19:23] <yofel> CupofDice: only works with alsa, pulse has it's own one
[19:24] <d9500> McCartney, I take it you've already checked in settings-->toolbars and made sure that the entry (assuming there is one) for search toolbar has a checkmark in the box?
[19:24] <somekool> Sphinx: most of the time spent waiting for a program is binary loading. unless you do excessing floating point operations, optimizing for size seems the way to go
[19:25] <McCartney> d9500: there is a checkbox, but with no text in it, just a chekmark!
[19:25] <CupofDice> Unless you mean System Settings/Multimedia, I have no pulseaudio control that I can find.
[19:26] <Sphinx> somekool: but that depends on, eg if you have program runnig for longer time, you will more benefit from -02
[19:26] <dtchen> bigbrovar: I've already closed the bug. And, I knew all along it wasn't a Kubuntu or ALSA bug.
[19:26] <Sphinx> somekool: also you can get more performance with memlock
[19:26] <dtchen> bigbrovar: after you've triaged Linux sound bugs for twelve years, you start to see patterns.
[19:27] <manshoon> I cant seem to get flash working properly in konqueror. It wrk just fine it firefox though.  The plugins section of konqueror says its loaded /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so
[19:28] <manshoon> but I cant figure out how to remove the "alternative" one, which I assume is the FOSS version.
[19:28] <Sphinx> dtchen: if you know more about alsa/audio things, maybe CupofDice has similar problem
[19:28] <manshoon> I assume that it conflicting with the non-free flash
[19:28] <Sphinx> CupofDice: Kmix is for KDE, pavucontrol controls pulseaudio
[19:28] <CupofDice> Yes, I have no pavucontrol
[19:28] <CupofDice> ah
[19:29] <CupofDice> It is supposed to be installed...
[19:29] <Sphinx> CupofDice: then install it, try some pulseaudio howto
[19:29] <McCartney> d9500: what do you think could be the problem?
[19:29] <Sphinx> CupofDice: should be, it will enable you to control audio level per device
[19:30] <d9500> McCartney, i'm looking into it, but i'm still somewhat new to kde myself, so i don't have a definitive answer at the moment.
[19:31] <McCartney> d9500: thank you so much, and sorry for bothering you
[19:32] <d9500> McCartney, i've been looking for the right config file, if i find anything i'll let you know
[19:33] <McCartney> d9500: thanks again! :)
[19:33] <CupofDice> I have no audio problems. It is video problems I am having, with the black screen, as I said above. Anyway, pavucontrol showed no problem with the volume, and all of my codecs are installed.
[19:35] <Sphinx> CupofDice: I perhaps missed something then, does vlc/mplayter work for you?
[19:37] <CupofDice> No, vlc crashes. Mplayer has that bug I posted above. Dragonplayer is the only one that works, but after the first play after login, it will only show a black screen. I have all codecs installed, and I can hear audio. If i turn on desktop effects, the video player screen turns transparent.
[19:38] <Sphinx> CupofDice: does mplayer show anything? Or it just gives you error and ends
[19:38] <CPrgmSwR2> any sound driver experts in here
[19:39] <Zivi_> hi
[19:39] <CupofDice> Yeah, Mplayer shows video.
[19:39] <Sphinx> CupofDice: even with desktop effects?
[19:39] <ub1> good night
[19:40] <CupofDice> yeah Sphinx
[19:40] <Sphinx> CupofDice: but it does not produce any sound
[19:41] <Sphinx> or does it?
[19:41] <CupofDice> no, mplayer doesn't produce sound.
[19:42] <dtchen> CPrgmSwR2: what's the issue?
[19:42] <CPrgmSwR2> dtchen: for the longest time I thought I had a no sound issue until I discovered that the sound is always comming out of the headphone jack
[19:43] <dtchen> CPrgmSwR2: ok, and...?
[19:43] <CPrgmSwR2> dtchen: 00:07.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP67 High Definition Audio (rev a1) alsa is using driver Conexant CX20561 (Hermosa)
[19:43] <raphael> hi
[19:43] <d9500> McCartney, i'm not sure what the correct config file is to edit but i did find someone with a similar problem to yours, and a possible fix. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=201224
[19:44] <CPrgmSwR2> dtchen: how do I get sound out of my speakers on the laptop
[19:44] <dtchen> CPrgmSwR2: have you filed a bug using "ubuntu-bug alsa-base"?
[19:44] <Sphinx> CupofDice: CupofDice okay, that may be problem of dragon. Mplayer might have some problem with pulseaudio setup. How about vlc?
[19:44] <CPrgmSwR2> bug #455912
[19:44] <Sphinx> Does it produce any error?
[19:45] <CupofDice> VLC crashes on me
[19:45] <CupofDice> segmentation fault
[19:45] <raphael> after the upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10 my computer doesn't s boot any more
[19:45] <raphael> Can somebody help me?
[19:46] <d9500> McCartney: the possible fix does involve deleting a config file though, so backup the original file before deleting if you want to try it
[19:46] <McCartney> d9500: ok i'll try it now
[19:46] <Sphinx> CupofDice: what version of kubuntu do you have?
[19:47] <CupofDice> 9.10
[19:47] <CupofDice> 64bit
[19:47] <McCartney> d9500: it worked!!!!!1 thank you so much
[19:48] <d9500> McCartney: you're welcome.
[19:48] <dtchen> CPrgmSwR2: bug report updated
[19:48] <Zivi_> hi, I've got a hp elitebook 6930p, the sound didn't work under 9.04 at first, this trick did it: sudo echo “options snd-hda-intel model=laptop” » /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf. Now, under karmic it doesn't work anymore again, instead kde shows an error message "Some hardware (audio controller) has been removed."
[19:49] <Zivi_> any idea of what I can do?
[19:50] <tehboriz> how would i go aabout overclocking my laptop graphics card? nvidia 7300go
[19:51] <CupofDice> Sphinx, kubuntu is being buggy again. Will restart. Also, I should note that I have this problem (which seems to have nothing to do with bios or anything): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/422536?comments=all  . brb
[19:51] <jeroen_> Sphinx: hey there
[19:51] <Peace-> where shall i get kdelibs-experimental
[19:52] <Peace-> i cant find on kpackagekit
[19:52] <Sphinx> jeroen_: Hi
[19:52] <d9500> tehboriz: have you tried nvclock?
[19:52] <jeroen_> Sphinx: I tried following the internet advise. i found the code but once i reboot i cant launch X server anymore :(
[19:53] <tehboriz> yes d9500 i tried it a few years ago and it didnt work... all it dd was reset my settings every time i made a change
[19:53] <jeroen_> Sphinx: (the dual screen issue)
[19:53] <tehboriz> d9500: should i get qt or gtk?
[19:54] <Sphinx> jeroen_: oh, have you the link?
[19:55] <jeroen_> Sphinx: http://hamzakc.wordpress.com/2006/10/16/dual-monitor-setup-ubuntu-ati/
[19:55] <CPrgmSwR2> dtchen: rebotting
[19:55] <d9500> tehboriz: if you're running kde as your desktop environment, use qt. if running gnome or xfce, use gtk.
[19:55] <tehboriz> ok got it thnks
[19:56] <Zivi_> no idea
[19:56] <Zivi_> ?
[19:57] <tehboriz> d9500: how do i bring up the gui?
[19:58] <CPrgmSwR2> dtchen: This is what I get now alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[19:59] <d9500> tehboriz: i've never used nvclock, but i'm guessing that you would need the nvclock-qt or nvclock-gtk package for the gui.
[19:59] <tehboriz> nvm it's nvclock_qt instead of a dash an underscore
[20:00] <tehboriz> wow huge diff in ui lets hope it works :p
[20:01] <bigbrovar> dtchen> thanks once again
[20:01] <tehboriz> hmm the settings are remaining so i guess it's working?
[20:01] <dtchen> CPrgmSwR2: apport-collect -p alsa-base 455912
[20:01] <dtchen> bigbrovar: np
[20:01] <d9500> tehboriz: also, i think the reason that it resets after a reboot is it's designed to do that. see http://www.hardwareforums.com/howto-overclock-nvidia-cards-ubuntu-debian-16427/ for a template for a startup script to run it at login
[20:01] <raphael> my computer doesn't boot after the upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10
[20:02] <raphael> the upgrade stopped
[20:02] <Sphinx> jeroen_: can you paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[20:02] <raphael> and now I only see mount all main process terminated
[20:02] <jeroen_> Sphinx: sure. here?
[20:02] <raphael> any ideas?
[20:02] <Sphinx> jeroen_: no, use nopaste or something
[20:02] <bigbrovar> hey guys am on i started karmic with karmic RC was hoping to avoid the rush and instead upgrade to the final version. However SInce the final release of kubuntu karmic am yet to see a drop of update which would indicate am on karmic final
[20:03] <tehboriz> haha quassel started infinately opening up firefox windows till i ha like 1000
[20:03] <bigbrovar> is this ok or do i do a fresh clean install of karmic final
[20:03] <yofel> !final > bigbrovar
[20:03] <yofel> o.O, my right alt-key stopped working...
[20:04] <Sphinx> raphael: in which phase did it stop?
[20:04] <jeroen_> Sphinx: its huge :s you want it all?
[20:04] <CPrgmSwR2> dtchen: done
[20:04] <raphael> Sphinx: The upgrade? at about 80%
[20:04] <Sphinx> jeroen_: I need it all, there are tool like nopaste that you can use to paste it to public servers
[20:05] <bigbrovar> yofel> thanks
[20:05] <raphael> Spinx: I have an encrypted root file system
[20:05] <Sphinx> raphael: have you an idea what was happening and why did it stop?
[20:05] <Sphinx> raphael: oh hell
[20:05] <jeroen_> Sphinx: http://www.nopaste.com/p/aosGkij20
[20:05] <raphael> Spinx: No
[20:06] <raphael> Spinx: after entering the passphrase I only see a maintenance shell
[20:06] <dtchen> CPrgmSwR2: you have a hardware problem
[20:06] <yofel> with what app do you find out what keycode a key has if it's pressed?
[20:06] <dtchen> CPrgmSwR2: first, see if there's a bios update for your machine
[20:06] <raphael> Spinx: my question is what: What do I do now?
[20:06] <dtchen> CPrgmSwR2: second, if there is and it contains fixes for your audio codec initialization, apply it
[20:06] <tehboriz> ctrl alt backspace doesnt work anymore is it cause of some change in 9.1?
[20:07] <dtchen> CPrgmSwR2: third, if that doesn't resolve it, purge the linux-backports-modules-2.6.31-14-generic package and reboot
[20:07] <Sphinx> jeroen_: strange
[20:07] <raphael> Spinx: I do have acces to the harddrive, but nothing ist started, only encryption of the disk
[20:07] <dtchen> CPrgmSwR2: there is no fix for your hardware that I know of; it really looks like a hardware quirk
[20:07] <greg_> Hello,, Has any else experienced slow downloads for 9.10 @28kb my connection ic 20mb just traffic or server issues??
[20:08] <jeroen_> Sphinx: there is another log file with .old behind it. it shows the errors i saw earlier
[20:08] <dtchen> CPrgmSwR2: please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ALSA/JackSense
[20:08] <Sphinx> raphael: sorry, I have no idea what to do with encrypted filesystem - if / is encrypted
[20:08] <dtchen> CPrgmSwR2: ignore the section on PulseAudio if you don't have it installed
[20:08] <Sphinx> raphael: if it would be just /home, it would be asier
[20:08] <Sphinx> easier
[20:08] <jeroen_> Sphinx: http://www.nopaste.com/p/aWP3ExqDd
[20:08] <raphael> greg_: I download with 190 kb/s
[20:09] <dtchen> CPrgmSwR2: anyhow, I need to enjoy my weekend. I'll follow up on the bug report.
[20:09] <raphael> Sphinx: The encryption is not the problem. The encrypton works, but nothing else
[20:09] <CPrgmSwR2> dtchen: thanks for your help
[20:10] <raphael> Spinx: What is started after the kernel? Upstart? Can I start that manually?
[20:10] <raphael> Sphinx: What is started after the kernel? Upstart? Can I start that manually?
[20:11] <Sphinx> jeroen_: well, paste me /etc/X11/xorg.conf, we will see, but if nothing helps, I would try to move )mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak) and then restart X so that it made its own xorg.conf
[20:11] <greg_> With mt ISP Bandwidth i should be able to download in approx 6min speed test show 20mb/s I can wait 9 hours but what the heck... Do you think it's traffic to the site or band width issues at the donor?
[20:11] <Sphinx> raphael: so more precisely: what works and how?
[20:12] <jeroen_> Sphinx: ok
[20:12] <Sphinx> raphael: how do you know that encryption works if it does not boot
[20:13] <d9500> greg_: yes, the downloads for 9.10 are still slow last time i checked. i ran aptitude update && safe-upgrade earlier today and was getting speeds about one-third of what i usually do
[20:13] <jeroen_> Sphinx: http://www.nopaste.com/p/atkTjuZ20
[20:13] <raphael> Sphinx: What does work. Grub -> Kernel boot (asks passphrase) and decrypts the disk
[20:14] <greg_> d9500, thanx i thought that was it ,, i'll wait till next week for things to speed up a little..Thanx
[20:14] <Sphinx> jeroen_: okay, comment out whole section ... Identifier  "aticonfig-Device[0]-1" and try restart
[20:15] <Sphinx> what next?
[20:15] <raphael> Spinx: Thats is. I have a root shell and I can access my root at /
[20:15] <raphael> Spinx: / is mounted read only and I have no idea why
[20:15] <jeroen_> Sphinx: with # right?  Section "Screen" ?
[20:15] <Sphinx> jeroen_: yes
[20:16] <jeroen_> thx
[20:16] <Sphinx> jeroen_: no
[20:16] <jeroen_> :)
[20:17] <Sphinx> jeroen_: sorry, the Screen      0  "aticonfig-Screen[0]-1" 0 0 .. line and also Section "Device" with Identifier  "aticonfig-Device[0]-1"
[20:18] <aboaboit> greetings from another victim of the grub upgrade :-)
[20:18] <d9500> how do i change the speed at what taskbar thumbnails pop up when i hover the mouse over a grouped set of programs on the panel?
[20:18] <jeroen_> Sphinx: cheers, ima reboot now brb
[20:18] <Sphinx> jeroen_: no
[20:19] <d9500> at which i mean
[20:19] <Sphinx> jeroen_: you do not need to reboot, just /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[20:19] <jeroen_> ok
[20:19] <Sphinx> aboaboit: what is wrong with grub upgrade?
[20:20] <aboaboit> Sphinx: doesn't boot linux, only boots win
[20:20] <Sphinx> jeroen_: generally, reboot only on kernel/hwrdware changes or if you need to be sure that everything is okay after reboot
[20:20] <aboaboit> i've tried the suggested fixes in launhpad but no go
[20:20] <Sphinx> aboaboit: so what have you done?
[20:20] <jeroen_> Sphinx: oh right :) im kinda new to this
[20:20] <Sphinx> jeroen_: no problem
[20:20] <raphael> Sphinx: Do you have an idea, or a suggestion?
[20:21] <aboaboit> Sphinx: background is clean 9.04 recent installation, successful upgrade to 9.10
[20:21] <Sphinx> raphael: I need to know what happens after uncrypting the disc
[20:21] <raphael> Sphinx: I get a shell
[20:21] <aboaboit> at next boot, says: you need to load kernel first
[20:21] <Sphinx> raphael: any messages ... kernel says what ..?
[20:22] <Sphinx> raphael: imediatelly?
[20:22] <raphael> Sphinx: yes
[20:22] <Sphinx> aboaboit: really this message?
[20:22] <aboaboit> yep
[20:22] <Sphinx> raphael: what is the prompt?
[20:22] <Sphinx> raphael: is it (initramfs) > ?
[20:22] <raphael> Sphinx: kernel is ok, did not (yet) upgrade
[20:23] <Sphinx> raphael: so it starts?
[20:23] <jeroen_> Sphinx: No difference. It shows my screens without dual-head
[20:23] <aboaboit> Sphinx: i think it may be bug 392836 or 411705 but the suggested fix of removing the search line only changes the error
[20:23] <raphael> Sphinx: Error Message: "init: mountall main process (2480) terminated with status 3
[20:24] <jeroen_> Sphinx: but no error whatsoever
[20:24] <raphael> Sphinx: Mount of filesystem failed
[20:24] <raphael> Sphinx: A maintenance shell will now be started.
[20:24] <Sphinx> jeroen_: okay, but X at least starts, let's continue
[20:25] <Sphinx> raphael: have you done fsck?
[20:25] <Sphinx> raphael: just for sure
[20:26] <raphael> Sphinx: Ok, I'll try that. That will take a while.
[20:26] <Sphinx> raphael: because just mounting should be okay unless you changed filesystem or kernel
[20:26] <Sphinx> raphael: depends on filesystem type
[20:26] <raphael> Sphinx: Thanks, for now
[20:26] <raphael> Sphinx: filesystem is ext3
[20:26] <Sphinx> raphael: np
[20:27] <Sphinx> raphael: then, what kernel version?
[20:28] <raphael> Sphinx: Kernel is working and worked befor, If it is important i'll look it up
[20:28] <Sphinx> aboaboit: personally, I would try to boot live image and see if all is okay
[20:28] <aboaboit> Sphinx: i'll go get it
[20:29] <Sphinx> raphael: well, there might be problem if ext3 is used as kernel module and it is not present during boot
[20:29] <raphael> Sphinx: I did not upgrade the kernel yet.
[20:29] <Sphinx> aboaboit: keep in mind that it sohld be the same architecture
[20:29] <aboaboit> Sphinx: of course, amd64
[20:30] <Sphinx> aboaboit: okay, otherwise you can not use chroot
[20:30] <jeroen_> Sphinx: what could have been the problem? :)
[20:31] <Sphinx> jeroen_: well, I have no idea with ATI, perhaps some better howto is necessary
[20:31] <jeroen_> Sphinx: iĺl take a look around :)
[20:32] <Sphinx> jeroen_: how about http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=221174
[20:32] <Sphinx> jeroen_: that seems to be reasonable
[20:32] <catracho> hello
[20:32] <catracho> viva honduras!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[20:33] <jeroen_> Sphinx:  cheers, i´ll take a deep look :)
[20:33] <aboaboit> Sphinx: funny thing is... laptop having trouble is just xp and kubuntu, no other linux install... this machine i am using has raid1+lvm and upgrade was spotless... go figure
[20:33] <Sphinx> jeroen_: google is allways good friend in these cases
[20:33] <Sphinx> catracho: why?
[20:34] <BenPA> help once again ... dell 2650 laptop "attempted" upgrade to 9.10 will not boot into version ... used knoppix disk and did fsdk then found partition table entries not in disk order
[20:34] <jeroen_> Sphinx: Well im glad you helped me out, google is indeed very good :D thx alot
[20:34] <Sphinx> jeroen_: no problem
[20:34] <bigbrovar_> does anyone experience this problem where kpackagekit crashes when you try to disable a sourcelist .. is it a known bug?
[20:34] <catracho> jijijijij
[20:35] <Sphinx> catracho: ah, okay, do you know what spam is?
[20:35] <catracho> no
[20:35] <Sphinx> aboaboit: insteresting
[20:36] <CPrgmSwR2> Hi
[20:36] <teliti> Hi. Where to see which kde4 am I running in KDE? In kde3 i remember you could see it in the system settings ...
[20:37] <CPrgmSwR2> this is wicked, I am running kubuntu of the live cd and I have my wireless card working
[20:37] <Sphinx> aboaboit: actually why do you use raid and lvm?
[20:37] <CPrgmSwR2> teliti: under system Settings -> click on help about about kde
[20:37] <yofel> teliti: open an app (like kate) -> help -> about kde
[20:38] <Byron> Where do I find the developers for Karmic? ubuntu1?
[20:38] <CPrgmSwR2> If I could only fix my sound problem
[20:38] <teliti> ahhh thx both of you :-)
[20:39] <yofel> Byron: +1 is closed for now since karmic is released, what do you want to know?
[20:39] <Sphinx> CPrgmSwR2: in brief, what is the problem?
[20:40] <Byron> yofel: Not really 'know' but thank them for the great job. As of the past 2-3 releases (excluding Karmic), my desktop freezes and the network drops. With Karmic, it has all been resolved.
[20:41] <shavo> suty
[20:41] <Sphinx> Byron: nice to hear someone like you, maybe there is some channel for devs
[20:41] <yofel> Byron: the devs are usually in the k/x/ubuntu-devel chans
[20:41] <Byron> Sphinx: If you felt my frustration, you'd be as grateful as myself right now.
[20:42] <Byron> yofel: thanks. I will try now.
[20:44] <aboaboit> Sphinx: raid because i am paranoid and lvm because of the flexibility in partitioning
[20:45] <aboaboit> Sphinx: they solve different problems and i was just curious to try
[20:46] <Sphinx> aboaboit: then isn't there any way how to do RAID 1 on lvm? or just do regular scheduled backups?
[20:46] <aboaboit> Sphinx: you do lvm on raid1, not viceversa, afaik... i also run amanda daily
[20:47] <Sphinx> aboaboit: I do not want to discourage you, but on laptop this seems to me as quite extensive
[20:48] <aboaboit> Sphinx: sorry, i wasn't clear: laptop is plain single disk, no lvm
[20:48] <aboaboit> Sphinx: this machine i am using now (a desktop) has two sata disks, raid1, lvm, amanda and all that
[20:48] <raphael> Sphinx: you were right. fsck.ext3: Superblock invalid, try backup blocks
[20:49] <aboaboit> Sphinx: laptop had trouble with upgrade even if simpler setup
[20:49] <raphael> Sphinx: That looks bad
[20:51] <Sphinx> raphael: well, I propose to do backpu before fixing if you have spare hdd
[20:51] <Sphinx> raphael: nevertheless it is not taht bad as it seems unless you had a lot of partitions
[20:52] <Sphinx> aboaboit: ah, okay :-)
[20:52] <Sphinx> aboaboit: paranoia on desktops is okay. BTW what was allways srong with the laptop, what hw has it?
[20:54] <aboaboit> Sphinx: laptop is Fujitsu-Siemens V5535, ran JJ quite ok (except for needing a custom 2.6.30 because of the nic/wifi, can't remember which now9
[20:54] <billytwowilly> Is there a command to easily see all the hard drives in the system?
[20:55] <Sphinx> billytwowilly: lshw?
[20:55] <billytwowilly> df..
[20:56] <billytwowilly> df showed what's mounted..
[20:57] <billytwowilly> so 9.10 moved my / drive from sdg to sdf but there's no sdg anymore. How do I figure out what 9.10 did? I have 7 hard drives in this thing and one has gone missing..
[20:57] <myke_> ciao
[20:57] <billytwowilly> It basically dissapeared one drive from my raid
[20:57] <myke_> !list
[20:58] <MaartenLx> hmmm.... I accidentily closed my start menu panel, and I can't seem to get it back. Any clues?
[20:58] <myke_> !bot
[20:58] <kgeek> billytwowilly: parted...->print
[21:01] <billytwowilly> so one of my drives disapeared then... the 7th drive isn't in the parted list
[21:01] <raphael> Sphinx: Do you know a where I can find something link HOWTO restore the correpted filesystem
[21:01] <R_Rios> Hi
[21:01] <raphael> something like
[21:02] <R_Rios> I have a PC with a Celeron @ 2.8 GHz proccessor and 512 MB of RAM running Kubuntu 8.04
[21:02] <R_Rios> If I upgrade it to Karmic, will it run?
[21:03] <R_Rios> I mean, with no slowdowns or freezes?
[21:04] <yofel> R_Rios: if you upgrade from 8.04 you'll have to upgrade to 8.10->9.04->9.10, a fresh install would  be better in that case, or just wait for lucid 10.04, you will be able to upgrade directly there (since 8.04 is LTS)
[21:05] <yofel> R_Rios: if you want to know that, you might want to run a live disk of 9.10 on your system and see how it works
[21:05] <Sphinx> billytwowilly lshw shows hw, df just mounted
[21:06] <R_Rios> Really, yofel? I don't think so, since there's a link explaining how to upgrade from 8.04
[21:06] <R_Rios> Here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KarmicUpgrades/Kubuntu/8.04
[21:07] <yofel> R_Rios: oh, then my information was wrong it seems, sry
[21:08] <Sphinx> raphael: well, first do a backup
[21:08] <Sphinx> raphael: I propose to boot from live cdrom/usb and do dd if=/dev/<corrupteddisc> of=imagename
[21:09] <Sphinx> raphael: what were the partitions? Were there one/two or many?
[21:10] <djSupport-linux> Hiya anyone know how I can get amorak to play mp3's? when I first ran kubuntu latest amorak said download these pakages but I lost the message any clues what it said?
[21:10] <raphael> Sphinx: one big root partition and a 44MB boot partition
[21:10] <Sphinx> raphael: and do you know its order?
[21:12] <billytwowilly> Sphinx: so if the disk isn't in there, any idea what happened?
[21:12] <billytwowilly> Sphinx: it was literally runing fine right before the reboot into 9.10 from 9.04
[21:13] <R_Rios> yofel: The problem is, my internet connection is too slow for me to download the Live AND update the system
[21:13] <R_Rios> I just wanted to know if Karmic is slower or faster than 8.04
[21:13] <Sphinx> Sphinx: it means that the hardware was not detected by a bus i think
[21:14] <billytwowilly> Sphinx: so maybe just a loose connection?
[21:14] <Sphinx> Sphinx: well, no what kind of disk?
[21:14] <billytwowilly> seagate 1.5 TB 7200.11 sata disk
[21:15] <yofel> R_Rios: well, 8.04 and 9.10 are quite different, so depending on your system it could works wonderful or worse, but without knowing your system everything I could tell you would be pure guessing.
[21:15] <yofel> s/works/work
[21:15] <R_Rios> By "your system" you mean my computer?
[21:16] <yofel> yes, and did you at least check the release notes if there are any known issues that could affect you?
[21:16] <R_Rios> If yes, it is a Celeron @ 2.8 GHz and with 512 MB of RAM
[21:16] <Sphinx> billytwowilly: then, there might be several reasons
[21:16] <R_Rios> Yes, there are no issues at all
[21:17] <billytwowilly> Sphinx: like what? I doubt it's hardware failure, but I'm downloading seatools to test now anyway.
[21:17] <Sphinx> billytwowilly: 1) Software - kernel issue (it must be kernel related) There might be some missing module, I am not sure if unknown SATA discs are detected (eg missing modules)
[21:18] <Sphinx> billytwowilly: 2) hw issue (accidental)
[21:18] <Sphinx> billytwowilly: I would try to see available modules for seagate
[21:18] <billytwowilly> Sphinx: the kernel detected the other 5 of these drives and the slightly smaller 1 TB version of this drive ok.
[21:19] <R_Rios> !pt-br]
[21:19] <R_Rios> !pt-br
[21:19] <R_Rios> !br
[21:19] <Sphinx> Sphinx: have you loked in /var/log/bootlog or syslog, messages?
[21:20] <Sphinx> Sphinx: look, if hw is okay, and modules are present, there will be log messages
[21:20] <billytwowilly> Sphinx: I have to reboot to see what the bios says. Thanks for your help.
[21:20] <Byron> Since there's no /etc/X11/xorg.conf, where am I to save my video changes so nvidia-settings can set my dual-monitor setup?
[21:20] <Sphinx> billytwowilly: no problem, get back to let us know
[21:20] <Sphinx> Byron: generate xorg.conf
[21:21] <Byron> Sphinx: How so?
[21:22] <Byron> Sphinx: I just checked and now there's a xorg.conf file, but nvidia-settings can't parse to it. I'm doing it as 'root'
[21:23] <Sphinx> Byron: well, stop kdm or Xorg, then there is Xorg -configure
[21:23] <Sphinx> Byron: should be -rw-r--r-- 1 root root
[21:23] <Sphinx> Byron: what do you do as root?
[21:23] <Byron> Yes, that's what it is
[21:24] <Byron> ALT+F2 `kdesudo nvidia-settings`
[21:24] <Sphinx> that is ok
[21:24] <Sphinx> Byron: and works for me, what does it complain about?
[21:24] <Byron> Sphinx: Yes, but I can't save the config
[21:24] <yofel> Byron: open up nvidia-settings, and while it's there move your xorg.conf away and then save a new one with nvidia-settings
[21:24] <Byron> X Server Display Configuration > Save to X Configuration
[21:24] <Sphinx> Byron: is there any error message?
[21:25] <Byron> Let me check
[21:25] <yofel> we already had this issue a few times...
[21:26] <Sphinx> Byron: yofel wasn't that because of noglx ?
[21:26] <Sphinx> or something no.. ?
[21:26] <Sphinx> nodri
[21:27] <yofel> can't remember any more, I'm checking right now if anybody actually filed a bug about this...
[21:27] <Byron> Sphinx: It asked me where to save it and I stated that I wanted /etc/X11/xorg.conf and that it couldn't parse. I just manually copied/pasted the changes
[21:28] <billytwowilly> Sphinx: third reboot is the charm. Darn drive just showed up again after I looked in the bios and saw it was there. It couldn't fix itself on the first two times I rebooted, the computer had to make me look like a dork by fixing itself all by itself on the third reboot..
[21:29] <Sphinx> billytwowilly: giva a pray to Mr Murphy
[21:29] <billytwowilly> Sphinx: I'm got to seatools test the drives anyway. That is too odd for it to just be left alone..
[21:29] <billytwowilly> Sphinx: thanks again for the help
[21:29] <Byron> what I find strange is that the System Settings > Display > Multiple Displays doesn't see that I have 2 monitors.
[21:31] <spknicolas> hi
[21:32] <Sphinx> billytwowilly: no problem
[21:32] <Sphinx> Byron: and nvidia-settings does?
[21:32] <yofel> found it, bug 439192
[21:32] <spknicolas> is it me or there is some sort of ressemblance between the look change from the early months of KDE 4 to now and from the Vista look to the Win7 look, i mean, they both went from dark themes to clear themes, why is that ?
[21:33] <Sphinx> Byron: you might be missing some xinerama libs
[21:33] <Sphinx> or other
[21:33] <yofel> ubottu: sleeping?
[21:33] <yofel> bug 439192
[21:34] <yofel> ubottu: bug 439192
[21:34]  * yofel thinks ubottu has something against him :(
[21:34] <yofel> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-settings/+bug/439192
[21:35] <yofel> Byron: ^^^
[21:37] <Sphinx> ubottu: help
[21:37] <Byron> Thanks yofel.
[21:37] <Byron> woohoo, no X
[21:37] <Sphinx> ?
[21:38] <Byron> I saved what nvidia-setttings was creating and set it to xorg.conf
[21:38] <Byron> Luckily, I made a backup.
[21:39] <Byron> Restored the backup and I'm in X now
[21:39] <Sphinx> Byron: you can everytime use Xorg -configure
[21:40] <Byron> I made a backup and named it 'xorg.conf.GOOD'
[21:40] <Byron> I think I spoke too soon about the network drop issue. Seems that it is dropping again
[21:40] <yofel> for nvidia, I think 'nvidia-xconfig' would be better, 'Xorg -configure' would result in NV being used
[21:43] <Sphinx> yofel: ah, I did not know that
[21:43] <mime_> hello, I have a problem, and when selecting my os in dualboot on msdos, when selecting linux stays stucked on ''grub>''... any idea?
[21:45] <kaddi> hi, how can I tell if I'm running the released version or if I'm still running the release candidate?
[21:45] <yofel> kaddi: you can't
[21:45] <yofel> !final
[21:45] <Sphinx> mime_: perhaps wrong setup, what version?
[21:45] <geos_de> you are on the release version after an update
[21:46] <mime_> kubuntu 9.04
[21:46] <mime_> i think
[21:46] <mime_> with xp
[21:46] <kaddi> yofel: so there were no changes from latest RC  to released version? Cause I have been doing updates but haven't had any upgrades since the 29
[21:46] <kaddi> 28
[21:46] <mime_> but other times goes perfectly one to a day to another...
[21:48] <Byron> I wish there was a way to find out what is causing my desktop to suddenly drop off the network.
[21:48] <yofel> kaddi: there were a few, but depending on the software you have installed you really might have no update
[21:48] <mime_> other times i followed the trick of going to xp and put run->chdsk (dont kno exactly the name) and then in dual boot worked, but now no
[21:48] <yofel> *nothing to update
[21:48] <Byron> This also happens if I direct-connect to the modem.
[21:49] <kaddi> ok.. i was just suprised since the switches from alpha to beta to RC always brought some huge updates and the final release didn't bring any.
[21:49] <kaddi> Is there a way to use the old kaffeine version 0.8.* in karmic instead of the 1.0?
[21:49] <Sphinx> mime_: it is simple, burn any live cd, boot it, chroot to your installation and repair grub
[21:50] <Sphinx> mime_: or .. why do you use dos?
[21:50] <mime_> i dont know if its called dos
[21:50] <yofel> kaddi: officially no, but you could download the jaunty version from packages.ubuntu.com and downgrade the package (and remember not to update it on the next update)
[21:50] <mime_> its black and white
[21:50] <mime_> i can repair it with a live cd?
[21:50] <mime_> ill try
[21:51] <kaddi> yofel: ok, might do that then. I'm still hoping that something "more official" will come around since most features are missing from 1.0
[21:51] <yofel> true
[21:51] <mime_> wich is the alternative to dos?
[21:51] <Sphinx> mime_: dosbox
[21:51] <Sphinx> mime_: or dosemu
[21:52] <Sphinx> mime_: dosbox can be used also for games
[21:52] <Sphinx> those old dos games
[21:52] <mime_> ok
[21:52] <mime_> the one of the frog and the logs
[21:52] <mime_> the canons or the dk
[21:53] <mime_> i put to load from harddrive?
[21:53] <mime_> in live cd?
[21:53] <Byron> mime_: No, you want to run the LiveCD, not from HDD
[21:53] <Sphinx> mime_: sorry?
[21:53] <Sphinx> mime_: no, boot from cdrom
[21:53] <Byron> Should be the first option
[21:54] <mime_> im in the menu and language selected, in install, look if has deffects...
[21:54] <Byron> mime_: Choose the LiveCD option that will not make changes to your computer.
[21:54] <mime_> ok
[21:55] <mime_> well, normally the black and white screen that appears in most pc is msdos?
[21:58] <kaddi> mime_: do you maybe mean konsole?
[21:58] <Byron> why would pinging my own router resolve to "connect: Network is unreachable"?
[21:58] <mime_> no
[21:58] <mime_> before bios appears
[21:58] <Sphinx> Byron: maybe you have not network running?
[21:59] <yofel> mime_: bios is always the first thing that appears
[21:59] <Byron> Sphinx: I'm online with my netbook
[21:59] <Sphinx> Byron: see ifconfig and /etc/resolv.conf
[21:59] <mime_> the tipical site were the essentials are brought
[21:59] <Sphinx> Byron: that may be, paste the ping line
[21:59] <mime_> well, it apperas in a mini sistem, is it msdos?
[22:00] <ubuntu_> testing Karmic on Thinkpad R61i
[22:00] <Sphinx> mime_: you mean uninstalled computer?
[22:00] <Sphinx> ubuntu and?
[22:00] <yofel> mime_: #define mini system, on a pc without any os you only have the bios
[22:00] <mime_> no, i mean 4 example when it says ''press any key to continue, keyboard not detected''
[22:01] <yofel> mime_: well, that would be a bios message
[22:01] <Sphinx> yofel: well, there is something on some types of computers (like openBIOS)
[22:01] <mime_> im downloading karmic in my laptop, one day and a half
[22:01] <mime_> actualizing
[22:01] <yofel> Sphinx: really? first time I heard of it
[22:01] <Byron> Sphinx: /etc/resolv.conf matches netbook
[22:01] <mime_> ok
[22:02] <Sphinx> yofel: yes, it is present on eg. Sun machines and is pretty nice - it practically enables reasonable access to uninstalled computer
[22:02] <yofel> sounds nice :)
[22:02] <Sphinx> Byron: try host www.ubuntu.com
[22:02] <mime_> i want to go more far than kubuntu, any os that gives the same but diferent?
[22:02] <Sphinx> yofel: yes, it also supports some autotests
[22:03] <Sphinx> mime_: what do you mean by more far?
[22:03] <Byron> Sphinx: www.ubuntu.com has address <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:03] <mime_> i mean maybe not so easy
[22:04] <mime_> not easy at all, simply i mean that i know that others are good but im very new and compiling etc, sometimes is hard for me
[22:05] <mime_> i want a os very diferent from kubuntu and xp
[22:06] <mime_> i cant find on my live cd the repair option
[22:06] <Byron> mime_: I think you might be thinking of just using Gnome if the look alone is what you want to change.
[22:07] <mime_> what u think about suse or archlinux?
[22:07] <Sphinx> mime_: well, no problem, if you want to begin but stay with aptitude etc., try debian, it is similar, but not tuned to final user. You have to setup many things, but it is where ubuntu came from. If you want to have some fun with compiling, ubt not to the configure/make level, try gentoo - you will learn how to work with configs, but you will be guided and advised.
[22:07] <mime_> or the other one... fedora
[22:08] <kaddi> how do I block the version of a package? I just installed kaffeine 0.8 and I don't want it to update anymore
[22:08] <Sphinx> kaddi: hold (= in aptitude)
[22:08] <mime_> thanx sphin
[22:10] <mime_> when ir says grub>,  i just can type ''repir X disk'' or a similar command to reenable the damaged tree?
[22:11] <aboaboit> Sphinx: live cd dled, booted, chroot done
[22:11] <mime_> or repeir automatically what is broken?
[22:11] <nicklas_> hello, i have installed kubuntu, but i cant install kubunt-restricted-extras?
[22:11] <aboaboit> Sphinx: update-grub complains "cannot find a device for /"
[22:11] <kaddi> nicklas_: when you say you can't install what does that mean? Do you get an error message?
[22:11] <Sphinx> aboaboit: and, you want to ... make grub working?
[22:12] <Sphinx> aboaboit: paste the line
[22:12] <Earn> Hola, instalé kubuntu 9.10 en mi CQ50-111la. Reconoce mi red wifi pero no me conecta
[22:12] <Byron> nicklas_: Have an error message?
[22:12] <nicklas_> kaddi: in kpackagekit, i choose to install it, and nothing happens, it starts the install, but doesnt install it
[22:12] <aguitel> how remove kubuntu ?
[22:12] <nicklas_> should i try it in konsole?
[22:12] <Sphinx> mime_: what do you mean damaged tree?
[22:12] <aboaboit> Sphinx: grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /
[22:12] <Byron> nicklas_: Yes, do it in Konsole
[22:13] <mime_> oye earn, me instale wicd que es otro manejador de redes, i a mi me lo arreglo
[22:13] <kaddi> nicklas_: yes please, try sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[22:13] <mime_> the tree of files
[22:13] <nicklas_> Byron: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras or sudo aptitide install?
[22:13] <mime_> i just selec kubuntu in dualboot,
[22:13] <mime_> and it says grub>
[22:13] <Byron> nicklas_: refer to kaddi
[22:13] <mime_> and anything else hapens
[22:13] <nicklas_> kaddi: not aptitude+
[22:13] <nicklas_> ?
[22:14] <Sphinx> mime_: no, you need to repair grub from live cd
[22:14] <nicklas_> what is the difference?
[22:14] <mime_> how?
[22:14] <kaddi> Sphinx: when I use aptitude hold kaffeine the package still gets updated with the next sudo apt-get upgrade, how can I prevent that?
[22:14] <cox> how do i start a new session?
[22:14] <nicklas_> between apt-get and aptitude?
[22:14] <mime_> i put the cd, but it runs into the installation menu
[22:14] <Sphinx> mime_: if you have limited bandwidth, download systemrescuecd
[22:14] <carpii_> cox, ctrl-alt-F1, F2 etc
[22:14] <Earn> Mime, como lo instalo?
[22:14] <mime_> oye earn, me has leido?
[22:15] <kaddi> nicklas_: I can't tell you the differences. There are some, but they are small. I personally prefer apt-get cause I know it better. If you prefere aptitude, you can use aptitude
[22:15] <Sphinx> aboaboit: paste the line, it shold be something like grub-install /dev/sda
[22:15] <carpii_> or do switch user from the start menu
[22:15] <mime_> desde lo de los paquetes
[22:15] <david___> I use synaptic
[22:15] <Sphinx> kaddi: start aptitude just by aptitude
[22:15] <nicklas_> kaddi: seems like it works in terminal for some reason
[22:15] <mime_> busca en tu buscador de paquetes network manager
[22:15] <Sphinx> kaddi: you will see text graphics, find the package by "/package_name"
[22:15] <Sphinx> then press =
[22:15] <Byron> nicklas_: CLI > GUI
[22:16] <yofel> nicklas_: aptitude has a more advanced dependency resolve than apt-get, and it has a nice ncurses interface too
[22:16] <Earn> Ok, mime_, voy a intentar esa opción.
[22:16] <david___> I open a terminal, switch to root and run mc - works like a charm
[22:16] <Sphinx> and F10 q
[22:16] <mime_> e instalate el que pone wicd manager, a  mi me pasaba lo mismo i con este es solo poner la contraseña i ya esta
[22:16] <nicklas_> yofel: i should have used aptitude instead?
[22:16] <aboaboit> Sphinx: grub-install /dev/sda, output: grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /boot/grub
[22:16] <aboaboit> Sphinx: sda1 is XP, sda5 is Linux ext3 and sda6 is swap
[22:17] <mime_> pero no mola tanto :P
[22:17] <Earn> cómo lo instalo si no tengo internet
[22:17] <Sphinx> aboaboit: paste somewhere ls /boot
[22:17] <Sphinx> aboaboit: and /etc/fstab
[22:17] <mime_> creo que no puedes, pero si ahora estamos hablando
[22:17] <Earn> Estoy desde otro pc
[22:17] <yofel> nicklas_: in almost all cases apt-get and aptitude work the same, I would only really recommend to use aptitude in situations where update-manager tells you it want's to do a partial upgrade
[22:18] <kaddi> Sphinx: the package is marked as "hold" in aptitude. But apt-get doesn't read/respect the settings for aptitude so it still tries to update the package. How can I make the block to the package global, so that no program will update the package
[22:18] <nicklas_> yofel: should i do sudo apt-get purge kubuntu-restricted-extras and then sudo aptitude install kubuntu-restricted-extras?
[22:18] <nicklas_> yofel: aha
[22:18] <nicklas_> i see
[22:18] <yofel> nicklas_: no
[22:19] <mime_> it says minimal line bash editing
[22:19] <mime_> pues no lo se... no se tanto
[22:20] <kaddi> !es
[22:20] <Sphinx> kaddi: yes, there is some way how to do it in apt config, it is prefering one version against another
[22:20] <Sphinx> kaddi: wait ..
[22:20] <mime_> and grub> onlly appears
[22:20] <kaddi> just in case...
[22:20] <Earn> Ok, teagradezco. Voy a ver si puedo bajar el paquete y luego instalarlo
[22:21] <aboaboit> Sphinx: boot contains abi-2.6.31-14-generic, config-2.6.31-14-generic, System.map-2.6.31-14-generic, vmlinuz-2.6.31-14-generic and a grub subdir
[22:21] <Sphinx> aboaboit: okay, then check /boot/grub/menu.lst
[22:22] <Sphinx> aboaboit: if it is exactly the same names
[22:22] <Earn> Oye  ubottu, entiendo tu preocupación. Ya intenté esa opción y nadie me contestó. Solo hay 7 usuarios.
[22:22] <aboaboit> Sphinx: fstab has root pointed by a UUID that matches /dev/sda5 (checked via /dev/disk/by-uuid)
[22:22] <Byron> Sphinx: I don't think /boot/grub/menu.lst exists anymore
[22:23] <aboaboit> Sphinx: there is no menu.lst, this is grub2
[22:24] <Sphinx> aboaboit: oh hell, why?
[22:24] <mime_> ok, i have to go thank you for all, cya, and thnx
[22:24] <kaddi> cya
[22:24] <Sphinx> aboaboit: I heard grub2 is not that okay as everyone would expect
[22:24] <yofel> !grub2 | Sphinx
[22:24] <aboaboit> Sphinx: been using it to boot raid/lvm, normal grub can't do it...
[22:24] <Sphinx> aboaboit: oh yes
[22:25] <yofel> Sphinx: everyone on karmic uses grub2
[22:25] <aboaboit> Sphinx: so i expect it to be able to boot a lowly single disk
[22:25] <Sphinx> aboaboit: you way that grub can not boot lvm? That is not true, I use is with no problems
[22:25] <aboaboit> Sphinx: lvm and raid...
[22:25] <Sphinx> yofel: aboaboit I am sorry, I have never configured grub2
[22:26] <Byron> GRUB2 seems decent for basic use, but somehow seems to be missing fundamental usage.
[22:26] <Sphinx> aboaboit: never tried both at the same time
[22:26] <Sphinx> aboaboit: when talking about such basic things like bootloader, I would propose grub usage
[22:27] <Sphinx> If you can
[22:27] <aboaboit> Sphinx: anyhow...grub config lists the same uuid as the correct partition
[22:27] <aboaboit> Sphinx: is that another channel or the package docu?
[22:28] <Byron> With every reboot, it's doing FSCK :(
[22:28] <ljl> is there currently any clean way to have a mac-os style menubar that works with any widget style?
[22:29] <yofel> Byron: not here, maybe you've got shutdown issues?
[22:29] <Byron> And now I've reached my first freeze :(
[22:29] <Sphinx> aboaboit: what do you mean?
[22:29] <Sphinx> Byron: which fs?
[22:29] <Byron> Sphinx: ext4
[22:30] <aboaboit> Sphinx: your suggestion, are you pointing me to another channel here or the docs?
[22:30] <Sphinx> Byron: do you consider it to be stable enough?
[22:30] <Byron> Sphinx: I was advised to use ext4 because ext3 couldn't really handle 1TB drives
[22:30] <Sphinx> aboaboit: no, I propose to downgrade to grub-legacy if you can, otherwise to see docs :-)
[22:30] <yofel> Sphinx: it is supposed to be stable enough for daily usage, and it's the default fx in karmic
[22:31] <aboaboit> Sphinx: i'll go with the docs, i'm not really comfortable with downgrading such a basic component that came as default
[22:31] <yofel> s/fx/fs
[22:31] <Sphinx> yofel: I know, I just tell, menu.lst is fairly known so he can configure it in a while, if not, he has to read docs, that is all
[22:31] <yofel> aboaboit: what was your issue again? and did you read the wiki page?
[22:31] <Byron> I think its just time for me to upgrade the mobo
[22:32] <Byron> Too bad I don't have the money to do that right now
[22:32] <Sphinx> aboaboit: as you wish, np
[22:32] <aboaboit> Sphinx: thanks anyway for the help
[22:33] <aboaboit> yofel: laptop doesn't boot linux (but XP yes) after successful upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10
[22:33] <yofel> ah, *sigh* why couldn't they at least have left grub alone on upgrades...
[22:33] <aboaboit> yofel: wiki page points to a bug, different case than mine and fix doesn't apply... tried it
[22:33] <Sphinx> Byron: according to wikipedia, it should be ok http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3
[22:34] <Sphinx> aboaboit: look, there must be some config to check
[22:34] <aboaboit> Sphinx: or buggy package...
[22:35] <Byron> Sphinx: I'm guessing it's a bad mobo at this point. I'll leave it for my XP when I have the money to build a new system
[22:35] <yofel> aboaboit: you could try to ask in the other support channels (like #ubuntu) since the bootloader has nothing to do with kde, maybe they know something there
[22:35] <Byron> Woohoo... downloaded a whopping 105kb before disconnecting from the network.
[22:35] <aboaboit> yofel: sure, np
[22:36]  * aboaboit rushes to #ubuntu
[22:36] <Sphinx> aboaboit: :-) try #grub
[22:37] <yofel> that too :)
[22:37] <aboaboit> Sphinx: if all else fails... i'm working on the assumption that the bug is ubuntu-specific
[22:37] <Sphinx> aboaboit: that is not likely
[22:37] <ep> Got a fairly new gigibyte MB with surrond sound on board, realtech ALC888.   Works great but for only a single app at a time.  Does this mean it is not "mixing"?  Don't know how to ask this question.  Anyway how might I fix this?
[22:38] <Sphinx> aboaboit: I really doubt it, ask #grub, there will be specialists
[22:38] <aboaboit> Sphinx: why do you say so? each distro has extra patches wrt upstream
[22:38] <aboaboit> Sphinx: i'll try #grub first, ok? :-)
[22:38] <Sphinx> ep: How have you cehcked it? BTW it is multitasking or multiprocessing
[22:39] <Sphinx> aboaboit: yes, patches are susually present, but rarely changes functionality, it is used to: 1) correct a bug that was not corrected by upstream, 2) to make things better cooperating
[22:39] <ep> Sphinx: I've check it by multitasking.  If I fire up a second app which uses sound.  The first app quits making sounds until I kill the 2nd one.  etc.
[22:40] <Sphinx> ep: Okay, which ubuntu version? Which apps?
[22:41] <jiro> libu
[22:42] <ep> 9.10 amarok bzflag jin (java chess program)  absolute poker  (java online poker) any combination of the aforementioned apps and others.
[22:43] <Sphinx> ep: Do you have pulseaudio?
[22:43] <ep> sphinx movies to  dragon movie player
[22:43] <Byron> I don't understand how the computer works well in XP but not in Kubuntu. I think I'm just missing out on a networking package
[22:43] <ep> Sphinx: I have pulseaudio
[22:44] <Byron> Is there a way to see what is causing the network to drop?
[22:44] <yofel> Byron: what network card do you have? any output in dmesg or syslog?
[22:44] <Byron> yofel: It's onboard to the Abit VT7 motherboard.
[22:44] <aboaboit> Sphinx: fixed
[22:45] <Byron> I will check the log.
[22:45] <aboaboit> Sphinx: or so it seems...
[22:45] <yofel> Byron: 'lspci' should list your network card with the other hardware
[22:45] <Sphinx> aboaboit: good :-)
[22:45] <Sphinx> ep: is pulseaudio running?
[22:45] <aboaboit> Sphinx: yep, definitely a botched mbr installation
[22:45] <Byron> yofel: It jus froze :(
[22:46] <yofel> o.O
[22:47] <Sphinx> Just a question from me ... is it worth to get 9.10?
[22:47] <Sphinx> ep: try pavucontrol
[22:47] <ep> Sphinx:  It's not working apparently.  eg.  Hit the test button in "System Settings"  Whether not working means not running, I don't know
[22:47] <Sphinx> ep: to see what is happening in PA
[22:48] <Byron> yofel: 00:12.0 Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 78)
[22:48] <yofel> Sphinx: err... read the release notes on kubuntu.org and decide yourself would be my advice...
[22:48] <kaddi_> Sphinx: I've been very happy with 9.10 for a while now. but yofel has it more to the point
[22:48] <Sphinx> yofel: good one :-)
[22:48] <Byron> yofel: per dmesg: eth1: no IPv6 routers present
[22:49] <yofel> Sphinx: on my eeePC the intel graphic driver in jaunty was crap and intrepid had a lot of issues so karmic is my choice :)
[22:49] <ep> Sphinx: installing it one moment
[22:50] <aboaboit> Sphinx: great... now it is xorg not starting
[22:50] <kaddi_> Sphinx: For holding a package in apt-get you need to go to /etc/apt/preferences and pin the package, I did this by adding the following 3 lines:  1) Package: kaffeine 2) Pin: version 0.8.7* 3)Pin-Priority: 1000. It's working flawlessly now. :) In case you wanted to know :)
[22:50] <Byron> yofel: does that help any?
[22:50] <yofel> Byron: hm, I don't know the card, is it a new one?
[22:51] <Byron> yofel: It's on an Abit VT7. Motherboard was available 5 years ago.
[22:51] <yofel> Byron: how do you connect to the network? knetworkmanager?
[22:51] <Sphinx> aboaboit: so look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[22:51] <ep> Sphinx: installed and ran pavucontrol -->  "connection failed" error dialog box.  Do i need to restart x?
[22:51] <Byron> yofel: Yes.
[22:51] <Sphinx> kaddi thanks :-)
[22:52] <Sphinx> nice feedback
[22:52] <Sphinx> ep: no, that means your pa is not running
[22:52] <aboaboit> Sphinx: done, says no screens found... i have already met this case... can't remember the fix, though
[22:52] <Sphinx> aboaboit: I would try to regenerate xorg.conf
[22:53] <ep> Sphinx: you're a busy guy here :-)
[22:53] <Sphinx> ep: not that much
[22:54] <ep> Sphinx: So how do i get pa running?
[22:54] <yofel> Byron: I'm not that good at debugging network issues, but you  could try wicd. If that doesn't work it might be a driver issue and I don't know how to help there.
[22:54] <Sphinx> ep, try pulseaudio –system=1 –high-priority=1 -D
[22:55] <yofel> !wicd | Byron
[22:55] <yofel> !info wicd
[22:55] <Byron> yofel: Let me reboot first. I have no network
[22:55] <Sphinx> Byron: it is easy
[22:56] <Sphinx> Byron: first ifconfig
[22:56] <ep> Sphinx: "pulse audio is not currently installed ":-)    Geez, shouldn't the CD install have done this?    Anyway I'll install now
[22:56] <Sphinx> Byron: can you see your card there?
[22:56] <Sphinx> ep: :-)
[22:56] <Byron> Sphinx: Yes. It has an IP. I've tried 'sudo dhclient eth1' and it does nothing
[22:56] <Byron> rather, it fails
[22:56] <Byron> Yet, while having an IP, I can't connect to the router.
[22:57] <Byron> rebooting again, it froze
[22:57] <Sphinx> Byron: try: ifconfig <interface> down
[22:57] <Sphinx> Byron: then ifnconfig <interface> up
[22:57] <Byron> Sphinx: Upon doing up, I get nothing and the card isn't there
[22:57] <Sphinx> Byron: then dhclient <interface>
[22:58] <Byron> did that too
[22:58] <Sphinx> Byron: then check /etc/network/interfaces and paste it
[22:58] <Byron> paste what?
[22:58] <ep> Sphinx: do i need to restart x now?
[22:58] <Sphinx> the file
[22:59] <Sphinx> ep: no, it is separate server - sournd server
[22:59] <Sphinx> sound, sorry for typos
[22:59] <Sphinx> ep: so start it by line I sent you
[22:59] <ep> done
[23:00] <Sphinx> ep: then pavumenter or paman
[23:00] <ep> Sphinx: done   guess i test by multitasking?
[23:00] <Sphinx> ep: well, pulseaudio is what you want for several audio apps running simultaneously, it acts like proxy
[23:01] <Byron> Sphinx: I have no mention of eth1 in /etc/network/interfaces
[23:01] <Sphinx> ep: so the only thing you need is to make all your apps use it
[23:01] <Byron> Sphinx: Comparing with my netbook, it doesn't either. They are identical.
[23:01] <ep> i thought good sound chips did that in hardware.  Guess the ones on MB's aren't good
[23:02] <Byron> Sphinx: sudo dhclient eth1 failed
[23:02] <Byron> Sphinx: No DHCPOFFERS received. No working leases in persistent database - sleeping.
[23:02] <Sphinx> Byron: yes, then it is handled by NetworkManager, I encountered several problems with it and you can resolve it by 1) auto eth1 and 2) iface eth1 inet dhcp
[23:03] <Sphinx> Byron: then make /etc/init.d/networking restart
[23:03] <nicklas_> hello, ive installed kubunt-restricted-extras, in ubuntu i had sound in flash with ubuntu-restricted-extras, but not in kubuntu?
[23:03] <Sphinx> ep: no, it definitely is not a matter of hw
[23:04] <ep> Sphinx ah good, no i dont' think my sound chip is cheap :D  THe MB review said it was good
[23:04] <Sphinx> ep: it is sound setup: there are multiple sound libraries that can compete of sound card - OSS, ALSA, ... Pulseaudion makes them not to interfere
[23:04] <ep> cool
[23:04] <Sphinx> ep: yes, run paman and you will se more
[23:05] <Byron> Sphinx: I just did as you said and it failed.
[23:05] <Byron> Sphinx: No DHCPOFFERS received. No working leases in persistent database - sleeping.
[23:05] <Sphinx> ep and remember to install all related packages like pulseaudio-esound-compat libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio ...
[23:06] <Byron> Sphinx: doing ifconfig, I see eth1, but no IP address
[23:06] <Sphinx> Byron: then /etc/init.d/NetworkManager restart and then ..networking restart
[23:06] <ep> Sphinx: will do, thanks for the help.  Listening to music right now and my IRC client dinged at me!
[23:06] <Sphinx> ep: nice you are welcome
[23:07] <ep> Man it sounds awsome, even with cheapo speakers
[23:07] <Sphinx> ep: yes, just check recodring
[23:07] <ep> scare to ;)  but will
[23:08] <Byron> Sphinx: No DHCPOFFERS received. No working leases in persistent database - sleeping.
[23:08] <VivaVista> I tried unistalling kubuntu by first removing grub so I went to Windows recovery and typed in "bootsect /nt60 all and It said restored succesfully but GRUB is still there
[23:08] <Sphinx> ep: some apps have its configuration (like skype) that can be set to pulse
[23:09] <kubuntu-fu> how can I edit xorg.conf on my hard drive from the live cd?
[23:09] <Sphinx> Byron: strange, what cards do you use?
[23:09] <Byron> Sphinx: 00:12.0 Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 78)
[23:09] <Sphinx> Byron: ... and kernel version. could you try reboot?
[23:09] <Sphinx> Byron: what module?
[23:10] <Byron> how do I check module?
[23:10] <Sphinx> Byron: could you paste lshw output?
[23:10] <Sphinx> Byron: by lshw
[23:10] <VivaVista> anyone
[23:10] <Byron> kernel: 2.6.31-14
[23:10] <Sphinx> VivaVista: well, maybe that Vista restores just partition, not Master Boot Record
[23:11] <kubuntu-fu> how do I see my hard drive from the live cd environment?
[23:11] <VivaVista> ugh
[23:11] <Sphinx> kubuntu-fu: what information?
[23:11] <Byron> Sphinx: I can't paste due to no network.  Coudl you tell more what happens?
[23:14] <yofel> kubuntu-fu: why did you edit it to use intel? it should use intel by default
[23:14] <Byron> Sphinx: http://pastebin.com/d5d033ce
[23:14] <Sphinx> aboaboit: hope we will, btw what time do you have?
[23:15] <yofel> kubuntu-fu: if you have an intel graphic card
[23:15] <kubuntu-fu> it uses vesa by default, lousy 800x600 is all I get
[23:15] <yofel> kubuntu-fu: you don't by chance have that GME500 - poulsbo ?
[23:15] <kubuntu-fu> I switched to intel now I get a black screen
[23:15] <kubuntu-fu> no, it's a 915 on the mobo
[23:15] <aboaboit> Sphinx: it's 00:15 here in Italy
[23:16] <gigasoft> how to make a voice calls via amsn?
[23:16] <Sphinx> aboaboit: same here in CZ
[23:16] <kubuntu-fu> is there a grub option to fall back to vesa?
[23:17] <yofel> kubuntu-fu: can you still switch to a tty after boot?
[23:17] <Sphinx> kubuntu-fu: it shold not be in grub
[23:17] <kubuntu-fu> no, I can't switch to any terminals
[23:17] <Sphinx> kubuntu-fu: if you want to boot without GUI for maintennance, add single to the end fo grub kernel line
[23:17] <aboaboit> Sphinx: great beer over there :-)
[23:17] <aboaboit> byeeee
[23:18] <Sphinx> aboaboit: see you
[23:18] <kubuntu-fu> you mean the word "single"
[23:18] <Byron> Sphinx: Does that help or did you want the entire lshw?
[23:19] <Sphinx> kubuntu-fu: yes
[23:20] <Sphinx> kubuntu-fu: this will make kernel to stop after loading just basic services AND you will be prompted for root pass
[23:20] <kubuntu-fu> ok, now if I need to mount my hd, how do I do that?
[23:20] <kubuntu-fu> I mean from the live cd environment
[23:21] <Sphinx> kubuntu-fu: well that should make your kernel booting and make filesystem available
[23:22] <Sphinx> kubuntu-fu: ah, okay, fdisk -l will show you discs
[23:22] <Sphinx> kubuntu-fu: then mount /dev/<device> <mountpoint>
[23:22] <kubuntu-fu> ok, I'm off to do that, thanks for all the help!
[23:25] <Sphinx> yofel Has anyone considered to collect somewhere basic procedures (like mounting hdd, recovering grub ...) ?
[23:25] <Sphinx> yofel: it might help on this channel
[23:31] <yofel> hm, I don't know the whole ubuntu documentation and wiki, there are some helpful pages like the command line introduction, but I just don't know many of them
[23:32] <yofel> and ubottu has a rather badly designed factoid list :/
[23:32] <yofel> like there actually is a guide for mount
[23:32] <yofel> !mount
[23:33] <yofel> ok... why does /msg ubottu mount and !mount give different results ?!?
[23:33] <yofel> ubottu: mount
[23:34] <ljl> yofel: because /msg ubottu mount will give you the generic factoid
[23:34] <ljl> while !mount in this channel will give you the one specific for this channel
[23:34] <Galaen> amarok 2.0.2 is a big shit scuse but it cannot sort my collection exactely
[23:34] <yofel> ljl: what? every channel has it's own factoids? didn't know that
[23:35] <yofel> ljl: how do you access the generic ones from this channel then?
[23:35] <ljl> yofel: you can't. not every factoid has a channel-specific version, but those that need it do.
[23:36] <yofel> :(
[23:36] <Galaen> all bug of amarok 2.0.2 are fixed in karmic?
[23:36] <kaddi> so querying ubottu in private when looking for kubuntu specific solutions is not a good idea?
[23:37] <yofel> ljl: it would be useful to have that, especially since mount and mount are completely different
[23:37] <trampel> Galaen: IMHO use xmms2
[23:37] <Galaen> trampel: what is imho?
[23:38] <trampel> Galaen: (in my humble opinion)
[23:38] <Galaen> ok ;) trampel
[23:38] <Byron> humble/honest
[23:38] <ljl> yofel: you can join #ubuntu-ops and propose amendments to one or both factoids, or just do that in pm with the bot
[23:38] <kaddi> isn't amarok 2.2 released? Maybe you should update?
[23:39] <Byron> Sphinx: I don't mean to jinx it, but maybe this last reboot did the trick. I seem to be flying on the network with the constant download of packages.
[23:39] <yofel> ljl: ok thx, might do that when I have the time
[23:40] <Galaen> amarok 2.0 is released in the same time of the first version of KDE4 it's maybe the reason of the big bug
[23:40] <yofel> !info amarok
[23:40] <Galaen> it can't find jacket
[23:40] <Byron> I'm at package 340 of 560-ish.
[23:40] <Galaen> mix the album in the collection
[23:41] <Galaen> great
[23:41] <Galaen> :D
[23:42] <ljl> is there currently any clean way to have a mac-os style menubar that works with any widget style?
[23:43] <Byron> Quick question: Is the kde netbook edition supposed to function like an app on top of KDE itself?
[23:44] <Galaen> so  i try to update to karmic
[23:47] <Galaen> have you a lot of bug with karmic?
[23:47] <Sphinx> Byron: yes, after reboot, your NetworkManager read interfaces and learned that there is no need to take care of eth1, so it was started by basic networking
[23:48] <callnett> what is the differenece between the ubuntu and kubuntu?
[23:48] <baron86> Hello.. I need help with Grub.. I Have a second hard drive with Windows 7 and its difficult to enter it to the Grub menu without a GUI.. does anynone now how to add this OS ?
[23:48] <Sphinx> callnett: ubuntu is Gnome based, kubuntu KDE based
[23:48] <baron86> ubuntu has Gnome.. kubuntu has KDE different Graphical environment
[23:48] <Sphinx> okay, too late for me now, good night
[23:48] <nicklas_> hello, installed kubuntu-restricted-extras, sound dont work in flash, it worked with ubuntu-restricted-extras in ubuntu. is this fixable and how do i fix it?
[23:49] <kaddi> can I switch the language for apt-get? Eg get the output of apt-cache search in english for example
[23:49] <kaddi> good night Sphinx :)
[23:49] <baron86> Problem With GRUB again.. Anyone knowing sth would be helpful
[23:49] <callnett> Sphinx: thanks, but what is the difference between gnome and kde?
[23:49] <Sphinx_away> callnett: well, different gui
[23:49] <yofel> baron86: what version of kubuntu do you use?
[23:50] <kaddi> callnett: they look and handel different and they offer different default programs.
[23:50] <Sphinx_away> callnett: see http://www.gnome.org/ and www.kde.org
[23:50] <baron86> 9.10 Karmic Koala.. I have both Kubuntu, Ubuntu but in the previous relese there was KGrub Editor
[23:50] <eXq> hi there strange bug, i have sound with dragon player in avi files but not with vlc and mplayer ... audio codec is present
[23:50] <callnett> Sphinx_away: thanks very much
[23:50] <baron86> and was easy to modify the Grub menu via a Gui.. Is there any Gui in the new beta one?
[23:51] <callnett> Sphinx_away: how can i know wich one i have?
[23:51] <yofel> baron86: and what is your problem with grub? it should recognize windows by itself
[23:51] <baron86> well it doesnt..
[23:51] <baron86> its on a seperate hard disk
[23:51] <nicklas_> this isnt fixable?
[23:51] <yofel> callnett: well, ubuntu -> gnome, kubuntu -> kde
[23:51] <kaddi> callnett: did you connect to this channel by default or did you choose it on purpose?
[23:52] <callnett> Sphinx_away: or can i use a boot in a same time?
[23:52] <yofel> baron86: did you try to run 'sudo os-prober && sudo update-grub' in a terminal to see if it recognizes windows, grub2 has problems to find windows on upgrade or installation
[23:53] <baron86> Look i didnt have the disk on when Installed Ubuntu
[23:53] <baron86> but i am going to try it now and tell you what happens..
[23:53] <tsimpson> callnett: you can have both gnome and kde installed at the same time, and choose which to use when you login. but you don't need all of gnome or all of kde to run apps for gnome and kde
[23:54] <baron86> you better i dont lose anything
[23:54] <yofel> baron86: it will only update the grub configuration with the kernel and system list
[23:54] <SJr> What package do I need to install for GTK windows?
[23:54] <baron86> okie.. see you in a while
[23:54] <baron86> anitos
[23:55] <callnett> tsimpson: ok. great, thanks very much
[23:55] <callnett> tsimpson: can u tell me wich linux i' m use now?
[23:55] <Byron> Sphinx_away: spoke too soon
[23:55] <kde185> hey grub2 is finding my CentOS partition when I run update-grub, but it isn't adding an option to the boot menu.  Is there a way to make it go ahead and add what needs to be added?
[23:55] <tsimpson> callnett: what did you install?
[23:56] <nicklas_> noone else has had the problem with sound not working in falsh?
[23:56] <nicklas_> flash
[23:57] <tsimpson> kde185: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Adding%20Entries%20to%20Grub%202 should have some info
[23:57] <yofel> nicklas_: I heard others say they had it but don't know the solution right now
[23:57] <callnett> tsimpson: ubuntu i think, but i dont know because i downoal from the net
[23:57] <kaddi> lol, I'm on fire tonight. If anyone wanted to know the answer to my question "can I switch language for apt to get the output of apt-cache search in english?", simply run:LANG=en_GB.utf8 apt-cache search kaffeine. The only prerequisite is that the language is installed which you can check by using "locale -a", it'll give you all installed locales
[23:57] <rafytafy> has anyone updated via adept from 8.04 to 9.10 using the internet option?
[23:57] <kde185> nicklas_: I remember some people in the past having troubles with flash and pulseaudio.  I don't know if it's been fixed yet though
[23:57] <tsimpson> callnett: did you go to ubuntu.com or kubuntu.org?
[23:57] <nicklas_> thats too bad :-S
[23:58] <callnett> tsimpson: ubuntu
[23:58] <seige36> hey all anyone know how to troubleshoot lm-sensors?
[23:58] <nicklas_> you guys think there will come a patch?
[23:58] <tsimpson> callnett: then you most likely have gnome, is the application menu at the top? if so then it's gnome
[23:58] <kde185> nicklas_: I can't remember what it is called, but installing some package would provide a pulseaudio backend or something.
[23:59] <kaddi> rafytafy: you mean do consecutive upgrades from 8.04 to 9.10 using the update manager? I did that on my old laptop, worked well, although it took me 2 days to do all the consecutive upgrades, a reinstall would definitely have been quicker
[23:59] <callnett> tsimpson: do u think is good idea to downoad kubuntu beside ubuntu?
[23:59] <rafytafy> kaddi: any problems?
[23:59] <tsimpson> callnett: if you want to install kubuntu, just install the "kubuntu-desktop" package from the package manager, that'll give you a full kubuntu install along side you ubuntu install