[11:57] <trijntje> I was wondering why the priority of muon is so low? Isn't this a very visible application on kubuntu?
[14:21] <kelemengabor> trijntje: it is because no one in the UTC team uses/know Kubuntu. I have bumped their priority, thanks for the heads up!
[14:41] <trijntje> kelemengabor: thanks! I just happened to notice it because a user reported an error in muon
[18:34] <m4n1sh> kelemengabor: thanks for your contribution :)
[18:35] <kelemengabor> m4n1sh: you are welcome :)
[18:35] <kelemengabor> let's hope that this was the last i18n bug for this cycle in a-l-m
[18:36] <m4n1sh> yeah
[18:36] <m4n1sh> so this also needs a Freeze Exception?
[18:36] <m4n1sh> right? all packages in main need exception?
[18:44] <kelemengabor> um, I'm not sure about freeze processes, but it adds one string, so probably yes


[23:51] <Eickmeyer> Does anybody have a chance to help me with some strange lintian errors I'm getting? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VJX2ZfyzD4/
[23:51] <Eickmeyer> Code is at https://launchpad.net/lsp-plugins
[23:52] <Eickmeyer> I'd be able to handle it, but these are debug symbols, which goes into territory I don't quite understand. Not sure if it's something I can fix or if upstream needs to fix it.


[07:27] <pool> Hello guys, currently i am typing from a thinkpad x220 running ubuntu gnome and i am having some problem with the Nic. It's not a serious problem, but i am not able to clone mac addresses (Ethernet Profiles) because it reverts to the orginal one. Anyone can help me?
[20:24] <sschuhmann> Hey, I have some problems setting up the touchpad on my new machine. Does anybody has some ideas?
[20:25] <jbicha> sschuhmann: do you have Unity or any other desktops installed?
[20:25] <sschuhmann> No, just gnome
[20:26] <sschuhmann> It's more or less a missing function
[20:26] <sschuhmann> When I click the trackpad I'm not able to move with a second finger
[20:27] <sschuhmann> But it support three finger gestures though
[20:34] <jbicha> what version of Ubuntu GNOME are you using?
[20:37] <sschuhmann> It's Ubuntu 17.04, which should be Gnome 3.24
[20:38] <sschuhmann> jbicha: Sorry, forgot to mention
[21:03] <jbicha> I don't know, maybe try a busier chatroom or askubuntu.com


[00:11] <ogra> Rumen, install pavucontrol, that should show you all apps accessing audio
[00:12] <Rumen> thanks installing
[01:43] <marc_> Anyone know of a program that will dispaly core usage while im playing a game so i can see whats being used
[02:07] <Kilroy> something is eating up all my diskspace, /dev/sda2             196G  183G  3.7G  99% / but when I run ncdu -x I get this  Total disk usage:   5.0 GiB  Apparent size:   4.9 GiB  Items: 52299 why don't they add up?
[02:07] <Kilroy> what could be eating up the space
[02:08] <sarnold> the usual culprit is a process still has deleted files open
[02:08] <Kilroy> how do I fix that?
[02:08] <sarnold> try lsof | grep deleted
[02:08] <sarnold> see what that reports
[02:08] <Kilroy> quite a bit
[02:09] <Kilroy> https://sturtz.cf/paste/paste.php?id=7
[02:09] <sarnold> I'm surprised to see just how many firefox like to use. wow
[02:10] <Kilroy> here is a better read format https://sturtz.cf/paste/paste.php?raw&id=7
[02:11] <sarnold> probably if you restart mysqld and rsyslogd, you'll see a lot more free space
[02:11] <Kilroy> yep, restarting the mysql server now
[02:12] <Kilroy> what is the systemd for rsyslogd
[02:12] <sarnold> try rsyslog.service
[02:13] <Kilroy> did not make a dent
[02:13] <sarnold> oh no :(
[02:13] <Kilroy> well a minor one,
[02:13] <Kilroy>  /dev/sda2             196G  180G  6.7G  97% /
[02:14] <sarnold> okay, next guess -- you may have data hiding "underneath" a mount point
[02:14] <Kilroy> found it
[02:14] <sarnold> yay?
[02:15] <Kilroy> yes I have a script that runs the backups and I guess the backups have been going to the backup folder /backup not the backupdrive /backup
[02:15] <sarnold> if that's it, I'd be curious how you found it so quickly ;) the 'best' thing I could think of was to umount the other filesystems...
[02:15] <Kilroy> that was 171 GB
[02:15] <sarnold> yay :D
[02:15] <Kilroy> back down to normal /dev/sda2             196G  5.6G  181G   3% /
[02:15] <sarnold> .. and umounting the other filesystems can sometimes be a real chore, or impossible to do short of a reboot, etc
[02:15] <sarnold> muuuuch better
[02:15] <Kilroy> yea, I forgot to check that
[02:16] <Kilroy> b/c I knew it had done that before and forgot about it until you said "hiding "underneath" a mount point"
[02:16] <Kilroy> so thank you so much for your help sarnold
[02:16] <sarnold> ah nice, that helps a lot :D even knowing where to look first, hehe
[02:17] <Kilroy> oh are there any alternatives to ncdu that you use? I like it and all, just wondering if there is anything else
[02:18] <sarnold> heh, I know what you mean; I like ncdu okay, but wish there were something obviously better available. I'm not sure what exactly I wish were different...
[02:18] <Kilroy> same
[02:20] <sarnold> aha, you reminded me of a list of interesting apps..
[02:20] <sarnold> and this was on it https://github.com/bootandy/dust
[02:21] <sarnold> there's a handy list of a few other similar tools at the bottom of the readme
[02:21]  * Kilroy regrets running du
[02:37] <Kilroy> ok sarnold another question so I am running ubutu 20.04 server (running server things in the background) and then when I start to load up minetest and play it it flipps the breaker
[02:52] <jhutchins> Kilroy: What breaker?
[02:52] <Kilroy> at my house
[02:53] <jhutchins> What's the breaker capacity?  What else is on the circuit?
[02:54] <Kilroy> nothing else that powerful and I don't know the breakers capacity of the top of my head
[02:54] <Kilroy> it is a 14 year old computer/server
[02:54] <jhutchins> These are important questions.  A PC with peripherals should run fine on a 15A circuit.
[02:55] <jhutchins> Messing with this kind of stuff can have serious consequences, it's important to get the answers right.
[02:55] <Kilroy> I don't know how to check? it is just a typacal US Iowa home breaker
[02:56] <jhutchins> Kilroy: Presumably you know which breaker it is, since you've presumably reset it.  What else gets turned off when it trips?
[02:56] <sarnold> yikes, I thought 'flipped the breaker' was a metaphor for memory consumption or something
[02:57] <Kilroy> I know I know what a breaker is, I just don't know were it says its Amperage, My room (with the server) + lights, bathroom lights, brothers room + radio + lights
[03:00] <leftyfb> Kilroy: completely offtopic here. But that server might be 14yo, but it's probably pulling 5amps when spun up. On top of everything on that circuit, you shouldn't be putting more than 12A continuously on a single 15A circuit.
[03:00] <jhutchins> It's possible you've got too much stuff running on a 10A breaker.  Do you have a surge protector on the computer?
[03:00] <Kilroy> yes I do
[03:00] <Kilroy> that is what I find weird
[03:00] <leftyfb> hm, never thought it might be a 10A
[03:00] <leftyfb> Kilroy: does the breaker say 10 or 15 on it?
[03:00] <Kilroy> let me look
[03:01] <leftyfb> I wouldn't think any competent electrician would use a 10A on anything but a lighting circuit
[03:01] <jhutchins> Having both lights and outlets on the same breaker doesn't meet current code, but old construction and/or do-it-yourself wiring...
[03:02] <Kilroy> nope new build
[03:02] <jhutchins> Kilroy: What's the rating on the surge suppressor?  I assume it's not getting tripped.
[03:02] <Kilroy> says 15 on the switch thing
[03:03] <leftyfb> "surge protectors" don't typically do any good. They're lucky to trip their built in breaker before they fuse together. I wouldn't rely on those to be any sort of protection
[03:04] <Kilroy> ok also the one I got was dirt cheep did not get it for a surge protector got it for the fact that it could turn 2 outlets into 6
[03:04] <leftyfb> Kilroy: that's good. Now to find everything that is dead when that breaker is off. Then do a tally of everything and how much current( or 120 / wattage ) they each pull.
[03:04] <Kilroy> I don't know what the wattage of everything is
[03:05] <leftyfb> Kilroy: a lot of things should tell you wattage (output) on their plug or on the device
[03:05] <jhutchins> Kilroy: Also, try turning everything else off and see if it still trips, then turn things back on one at a time and test.
[03:05] <jhutchins> Kilroy: It _sounds_ like there's a problem with the wiring, but that's probably not something you want to get into yourself.
[03:05] <leftyfb> Kilroy: this is great to find out how much power devices actually pull https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B00009MDBU/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_MTPZEEDXK90K5VS7Z2KR
[03:05] <Kilroy> I will have to do that in a bit I need to get it so I can sudo up to turn back on my desktop first
[03:06] <Kilroy> and my brother is trying to fall asleep using his radio but I could do a very rough gusstamite
[03:06] <Kilroy> once I fix my server
[03:06] <jhutchins> Kilroy: Any idea what the power supply is rated for?
[03:07] <jhutchins> It's not an old rack-mount commercial server, is it?
[03:07] <jhutchins> This is not a five minute problem.
[03:07] <Kilroy> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=hp+compaq+6000+pro+
[03:08] <Kilroy> this thing
[03:08] <Kilroy> https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c01865797
[03:08] <Kilroy> the PSU says TOTAL 240W MAX.
[03:10] <Kilroy> and <jhutchins> This is not a five minute problem. I know, but I also know that  I can't have someone come out to my house right ow
[03:10] <Kilroy> and <jhutchins> This is not a five minute problem. I know, but I also know that  I can't have someone come out to my house right now
[03:10] <Kilroy> or for a while
[03:11] <jhutchins> Kilroy: Yeah, specs say 320W, but yeah.
[03:12] <jhutchins> Kilroy: There is no way that computer should be able to draw enough to trip a breaker.  Other things should give way first.
[03:12] <jhutchins> Yeah, electricians (ones who know what they're doing at least) aren't cheap.
[03:12] <leftyfb> that's barely 3A. You've either got something(s) else drawing too much on that circuit or bad wiring
[03:13] <jhutchins> How old is the house?  (I wonder if it's old enough to have aluminum wiring.)
[03:13] <Kilroy> I mean this also just started happening, like last week, I also noticed a small white button next to the switch thing
[03:13] <leftyfb> if it's bad wiring, that's a fire hazard. You should get an electrician in there immediately .... if you can't find the other sources of high draw
[03:14] <Kilroy> jhutchins I think 2013
[03:14] <Kilroy> or newer
[03:14] <jhutchins> Unlikely then.
[03:14] <jhutchins> Anybody using a space heater?
[03:15] <jhutchins> Peak load should happen at power-up/boot.
[03:15] <matsaman> plug the computer into another circuit and you'll know whether it's the computer or the circuit
[03:15] <matsaman> honestly, you have bad wiring
[03:16] <Kilroy> yes 2013 is correct and nobody does
[03:16] <jhutchins> Kilroy: Congratulations, you have a genuinely weird problem.
[03:16] <matsaman> I haven't ever seen a single house with proper wiring, ever
[03:16] <Kilroy> https://xkcd.com/1316/
[03:16] <Kilroy> the story of my life
[03:16] <Kilroy> lol
[03:16] <matsaman> for example, just the wiring you mentioned makes no damn sense
[03:16] <Kilroy> what do you mean matsaman
[03:17] <matsaman> your brother's room outlets are on the same circuit as lights for three rooms including a bathroom?
[03:18] <matsaman> unless you have an ancient tiny box, that's a pretty silly combination
[03:18] <matsaman> and just logically, why
[03:18] <Kilroy> yes when the breaker flips all 3 rooms lose power including the hallway
[03:18] <jhutchins> matsaman: It's Iowa.  Libertarian codes & enforcement.
[03:18] <matsaman> you don't have a friend or relative who plays with electrical stuff?
[03:18] <matsaman> jhutchins: heh
[03:18] <Kilroy> nope matsaman
[03:19] <Kilroy> also money is not the issue
[03:19] <matsaman> that's a bummer. Definitely don't screw around with it
[03:19] <matsaman> but it _could_ be something as simple has changing a breaker
[03:19] <jhutchins> matsaman: That's a solution that could be worse than the problem.
[03:19] <matsaman> for sure
[03:19] <jhutchins> matsaman: Penny in the fuse socket.
[03:19] <matsaman> heh
[03:19] <matsaman> haven't seen a real fuse box in a while, except for my neighbor's garage's subpanel
[03:20] <leftyfb> I can't wait till I tear my house down and build a new one. Gonna get a nice big 200A box and make 100% sure every room has at least 2 separate circuits
[03:21] <Kilroy> so, what do I do? I am going to plug it into another circuit friday when I have time
[03:21] <leftyfb> Kilroy: hire an electrician to sort it out
[03:21] <Kilroy> the issue is that I can't
[03:21] <matsaman> leftyfb: for real I can't wait to live in a house that was built properly from scratch
[03:21] <Kilroy> nobody is allowed in our house
[03:21] <matsaman> Kilroy: you guys own the house?
[03:21] <Kilroy> yes
[03:22] <Kilroy> my parents do
[03:22] <matsaman> where're your parents?
[03:22] <leftyfb> Kilroy: what do you mean nobody is allowed in the house? Would you rather the house be burned down?
[03:22] <matsaman> this is the kind of bullshit father figures know about dealing with
[03:22] <Kilroy> why?
[03:22] <matsaman> like, if my father didn't know how to change a breaker, I would fire him
[03:22] <matsaman> maybe I'm biased though, my father is an electrician =P
[03:23] <Kilroy> leftyfb we have had issues with the eletrical before and I told them, that we need to get it looked at but they said that there has not been a issue before so there is not going to be one now
[03:23] <jhutchins> matsaman: Hah.
[03:23] <Kilroy> like the hallway has 3 switches to the same light
[03:23] <jhutchins> Yeah, parental solution is "don't run that game on your computer".
[03:23] <leftyfb> Kilroy: make sure you have some good smoke detectors and a quick and easy fire escape plan
[03:23] <jhutchins> matsaman: I like the bad breaker theory.
[03:24] <matsaman> Kilroy: with the right preparation, research, and tools, you can replace a breaker with relative safety, but it's really best to watch someone do it first while all the ways you can get yourself killed are pointed out
[03:24] <Kilroy> you have to make sure you use the same switch that you turn it on with that switch that you turn it off as other wise it will not turn off
[03:24] <leftyfb> ^ bad wiring
[03:24] <Kilroy> I have told them
[03:24] <Kilroy> they don't beleave me
[03:24] <matsaman> Kilroy: wait what?
[03:24] <matsaman> oh that's just a three way switch
[03:24] <jhutchins> I'm guessing that a professional wiring inspection and tune-up would cost more than a 2006 computer is worth.
[03:25] <matsaman> that's something people do on purpose
[03:25] <Kilroy> no it is 3 up down switches and it did not do that when we first moved in
[03:25] <matsaman> oh okay, then that's really bad wiring, yup =P
[03:25] <matsaman> that you should definitely get fixed
[03:25] <Kilroy> jhutchins we have had our house inspected and both times they said all was good
[03:25] <Kilroy> when we first moved in
[03:25] <matsaman> if switches are changing behavior, you could have some really loose wires and/or unintended contacts
[03:26] <matsaman> Kilroy: by who, a home inspector?
[03:26] <jhutchins> The other way for 3way switches to fail fixes itself the first time you try.
[03:26] <matsaman> they're pretty useless, TBH
[03:26] <matsaman> and that's when they aren't hired by the people who stand to profit the most from you buying the place
[03:26] <Kilroy> and a independent person
[03:26] <matsaman> anyway, home inspectors don't do much with electrical as far as I know
[03:26] <Kilroy> after we bought the home b/c we noticed things that the first guy should of said
[03:26] <matsaman> if they did, 200% of homes wouldn't have terrible electrical
[03:27] <Kilroy> so what should I do?
[03:27] <jhutchins> Yeah, and you can potentially get them to cover repairs, but I'm beting that's not someting your parents want to spend their time and money on./
[03:27] <matsaman> Kilroy: you can't tell your father there is a _real_ electrical problem?
[03:27] <Kilroy> I have
[03:27] <jhutchins> Kilroy: Start with the diagnostics we suggested.  Have a good look at the breaker in question; it WILL be labeled somewhere prominent.
[03:27] <matsaman> well, hate to say it, but maybe it's time to strike out on your own =P
[03:27] <matsaman> if you had a real landlord, they would be obligated to fix it
[03:28] <leftyfb> Kilroy: you need to get an electrician in there, not an inspector. No ifs ands or butts.
[03:28] <Kilroy> leftyfb I have tried, but now I know I won't b/c my mom is high risk
[03:28] <Kilroy> so... there goes that
[03:28] <jhutchins> Well, the alternative is not to load the system.  Some grownups don't appreciate what it's like to be in a powerless position.
[03:28] <leftyfb> lock her in one of the rooms for the hour the electrician is there
[03:28] <matsaman> well
[03:28] <leftyfb> and everyone mask up
[03:29] <matsaman> changing behavior is more dangerous than just a breaker tripping
[03:29] <leftyfb> maybe open some windows while the electrician is there
[03:29] <matsaman> you need to at the very least not use those switches whose behavior has changed; if you know the breaker for that, turning it off would be safest
[03:29] <jhutchins> leftyfb: Do you own your home?
[03:29] <leftyfb> jhutchins: I do
[03:29] <matsaman> for the computer thing, if you put it on another circuit, that will give you a better idea if it's just the breaker that needs replacing
[03:30] <Kilroy> I need some way to tell my parents that this is serious is there something (like a demo) I can do that will show plain and clear that this is not a joke and needs to be fixed ASAP
[03:30] <matsaman> Kilroy: oh okay
[03:30] <matsaman> Kilroy: let me find you the stats on how many houses burn to the ground specifically from bad electrical
[03:30] <Kilroy> something that I can show in my house
[03:30] <leftyfb> Kilroy: hire your own electrician and have them come and look at things when they aren't around. Have the electrician tell your parents there's an issue
[03:31] <matsaman> Kilroy: a tripped breaker is that
[03:31] <matsaman> it's a safety feature, it's the whole purpose of the breaker
[03:31] <matsaman> to disable power
[03:31] <jhutchins> Scorch/burn marks under the face plates are usually convincing.  You might want to turn the breaker off before you pull the plates and look.
[03:31] <Kilroy> face plates of what?
[03:31] <matsaman> of a switch or outlet box
[03:31] <jhutchins> Kilroy: Switches & outlets.
[03:31] <Kilroy> ok
[03:32] <matsaman> don't though =P
[03:32] <jhutchins> matsaman: ?
[03:32] <leftyfb> Kilroy: either way, this is completely offtopic here.  We can't help beyond telling you to get a licensed electrician in there to diagnose further. Make sure to tell/show the electrician the issues you have come across
[03:33] <Kilroy> ok thanks for your helps
[03:33] <jhutchins> Kilroy: You can still try the tests we suggested, they're not hazardous.
[03:33] <Kilroy> ok, I will
[03:33] <matsaman> don't get electrocuted bro =)
[03:34] <Kilroy> I don't plan on it
[03:34] <jhutchins> Kilroy: Only touch one thing at a time.
[03:36] <jhutchins> Ouch, there went an hour.
[03:36] <jhutchins> Kilroy: Feel free to DM if you have questions, I'll get back to you when I see it.
[03:36] <Kilroy> ok, thank you jhutchins
[03:37] <matsaman> you can probably get an electrician to come in for slim-to-nothing and tell you if it might be just the breaker needs replacing (for the computer thing), which should be relatively affordable in parts in labor
[03:37] <matsaman> the other light switch thing is less good =P
[03:38] <matsaman> unless it's just an overcomplicated 3-way setup, which it could still be <shrug>
[03:39] <matsaman> there's strange and then there's dangerous
[03:46] <Kilroy> I find it weird how again when we moved in it was working fine, you could every swich would turn it off no matter where you turned it on, oh I forgot the living room (two switches one light) started doing the same thing
[03:46] <Kilroy> and when that started happning I told my dad that he should get someone out here, and he said that it is fine
[03:47] <leftyfb> Kilroy: offtopic. get an electrician in there
[03:49] <jhutchins> Sounds like there could be bad connections.
[03:49] <jhutchins> (Bad connections = heat = fire danger.
[03:51] <matsaman> electricians aren't cheap, but it's not like buying a car
[03:51] <matsaman> and honestly, it's somewhat dangerous and incredibly grueling work, they earn it
[03:51] <matsaman> (somewhat dangerous to them, experts)
[04:37] <Fieldy> hello, is there a way to search non-installed software for a specific file that it would provide?
[04:37] <JackFrost> `apt-file find`
[04:38] <Fieldy> sweet
[04:39] <JackFrost> apt-file is very cool, yes.  It has 'find' and 'list', both should help you a lot.
[05:00] <matsaman> essential tool
[06:04] <adan> hello all
[06:05] <matsaman> hi
[07:10] <amosbird> Hello! Is there any way to avoid ld-linux to look at /etc/ld.so.preload via some ENV?
[08:37] <Coco92> Hello, i installed snapper for timeline snapshots and now i see ubuntu creates pre post snapshots by default after installation, how is it possible to disable pre post snapshots?
[08:41] <KBar> Coco92: http://snapper.io/faq.html
[08:42] <Coco92> KBar random guides that doesn't help?
[08:42] <Coco92> the pre post snapshots are created by the ubuntu system or config, i never see this after i install vanilla snapper in ohter distribution
[08:44] <KBar> Coco92: ? its not a random guide. It's their official website
[08:45] <Coco92> KBar, and it doesn't help me cause i don't know where the pre post snapshots are configured in ubuntu. That is why i ask here and not in btrfs or snapper channel ;-)
[08:45] <KBar> Coco92: look inside the contents in /etc/snapper
[08:46] <Coco92> in this content my created configs are there, and they don't enable pre post automatic snapshots
[08:46] <KBar> Coco92: if you're so smart, RTFM :)
[08:46] <KBar> Coco92: man snapper
[08:46] <Coco92> if i do the config in arch the system don't enable automatic snapshots
[08:46] <Coco92> it looks like it is builded in apt config?
[08:46] <Coco92> i read the snapper manpage
[08:47] <KBar> What you do in Arch is irrelevant here.
[08:47] <Coco92> KBar, i only say that my problem is ubuntu relevant in config file and not per se in snapper
[08:47] <Coco92> a guid for vanilla snapper doesn't help then, i need a ubuntu specific guide
[08:48] <KBar> Coco92: /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/80snapper
[08:48] <KBar> Coco92: literall in the manpage.
[08:48] <Coco92> not in the manpage for snapper itself
[08:48] <KBar> Coco92: what version of Ubuntu are you running?
[08:48] <KBar> What version of snapper?
[08:48] <KBar> Where did you get the package?
[08:48] <Coco92> from impish repository
[08:50] <KBar> Coco92: this was enabled upstream https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=770938
[08:51] <Coco92> Okay so it is a config file that comes with apt and not from snapper, that's why i couldn't find it in the snapper documentation ^^
[08:52] <KBar> Coco92: no. It doesn't come with apt
[08:52] <Coco92> the apt.conf.d/80snapper ?
[08:52] <KBar> Coco92: https://packages.ubuntu.com/impish/amd64/snapper/filelist
[08:52] <KBar> Coco92: that file is included in the snapper package
[08:52] <KBar> Coco92: and there is a changelog
[08:53] <KBar> *entry in the changelog
[08:53] <Coco92> then this file is exclusive shipped from snapper for ubuntu or debian systems?
[08:53] <KBar> Coco92: you can run `dpkg -L snapper` to see the list
[08:53] <KBar> of files included in its package
[08:55] <Coco92> Thanks KBar this helped me. If i change this config now and give an update of snapper, will it be overwritten again?
[09:06] <KBar> Coco92: just copy that file and name it with a higher number which will increase its priority
[09:07] <KBar> Coco92: something like 99snapper
[09:07] <Coco92> Thanks
[09:08] <Gallomimia> seems i have broken firefox. won't load any pages, and runs at least 100% cpu all the time, even with no windows other than Downloads open.
[09:09] <Gallomimia> oh. even with no windows open at all
[09:09] <Gallomimia> error says to reboot
[09:10] <KBar> Gallomimia: what's the output of `lsb_release -ds` and `firefox --version`?
[09:10] <bcb> i'm getting an error on upgrade:  installed linux-image-5.4.0-94-generic package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1
[09:10] <Nobrem> hi
[09:10] <Nobrem> has anyone here ever used Android Studio on Ubuntu?
[09:10] <Nobrem> Is it possible, that there is a dropdown missing with my device ?
[09:11] <bcb> Ubuntu 20.04.3 LTS
[09:11] <Nobrem> I have never done it before, so I am not sure where to look
[09:11] <Nobrem> But somebody in #briar wants me to send him logs of my errors
[09:11] <Gallomimia> Ubuntu 21.10
[09:11] <Gallomimia> root@draco-lambda:~# firefox --version
[09:11] <Gallomimia> mkdir: cannot create directory '/run/user/0': Permission denied
[09:11] <Gallomimia> Mozilla Firefox 96.0
[09:11] <Nobrem> and for that, I must connect my android device to the Linux Laptop and chose the Android Phone via a dropdown in Android Studio
[09:11] <Nobrem> but there is simply no such phone
[09:12] <KBar> Gallomimia next time paste the output to pastebin.com . why are you trying to create a directory in /run/user/?
[09:12] <Gallomimia> i did not.
[09:12] <Gallomimia> that was part of the output you asked for
[09:13] <Gallomimia> it was short enough to not really need a paste. i'm going to reboot, as there was some updates to systemd. perhaps they'll fix
[09:13] <FrankFrink> Hello :)
[09:14] <KBar> Nobrem perhaps a better place to ask is #android
[09:14] <FrankFrink> I got a problem with ubuntu 20.04 not beein able to update
[09:14] <KBar> Nobrem Android Studio is the same on every platform AFAIR
[09:14] <Nobrem> ok KBar
[09:15] <KBar> FrankFrink: hello and welcome. What kind of a problem? Does it print out any errors?
[09:15] <FrankFrink> i cant do a release upgrade cause it says :Please install all available updates for your release before upgrading. and i cant update all packages cause... The repository 'http://at.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu groovy Release' no longer has a Release file.
[09:15] <FrankFrink> im stuck in a loop
[09:15] <KBar> Gallomimia: you'll get autobanned next time. the bot is not smart and wont care about your logic: if you paste too many lines consecutively, he'll be mad
[09:16] <FrankFrink> i think i missed out on some updates, and then iut was to late.
[09:16] <FrankFrink> can i manually add new soiurces to sources.list and upgrade from there?
[09:17] <KBar> FrankFrink: so you upgraded from 20.04 to 20.10? what's the current version of your Ubuntu rn? `lsb_release -ds`?
[09:17] <FrankFrink> no, i didnt
[09:17] <FrankFrink> mhm, ok, i did :)
[09:17] <KBar> yeah..
[09:17] <FrankFrink> cat /etc/issue
[09:17] <FrankFrink> Ubuntu 20.10 \n \l
[09:17] <Gallomimia> there's a reason i didn't copy 5 lines which included the first command you said to type kbar
[09:18] <Gallomimia> anyway... the problem i was having seems to have resolved itself
[09:19] <Gallomimia> with the apt dist-upgrade i performed prior to doing those commands. i imagine that error was from running the firefox command as root
[09:20] <KBar> FrankFrink: did it update any packages?
[09:20] <FrankFrink> no
[09:21] <FrankFrink> Ign:1 http://at.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu groovy InRelease Err:2 http://at.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu groovy Release   404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[09:21] <KBar> FrankFrink: is it a desktop or a server?
[09:21] <FrankFrink> with every line
[09:21] <FrankFrink> desktop
[09:21] <Gallomimia> uh... seems like you've got it set to a mirror which is not so good
[09:21] <FrankFrink> ahaa
[09:21] <FrankFrink> what?
[09:22] <KBar> It shouldn't matter. most if not all mirrors are up to date
[09:22] <FrankFrink> ok, i cahnge to another mirror
[09:22] <KBar> and synced
[09:22] <Gallomimia> yeah, they aren't.
[09:22] <FrankFrink> ok, one moment. ill try
[09:22] <KBar> Gallomimia: got any facts?
[09:22] <Gallomimia> i tried one that was closer to me when i first installed and got the same error
[09:22] <KBar> Ah, so one anecdote
[09:22] <KBar> ok
[09:23] <FrankFrink> btw. i nevewr have had any problem with the mirrors in the last 20 years using debian, and then ubuntu:)  so thats new to me
[09:23] <Gallomimia> do you have some other explaination for a 404 error on apt update?
[09:24] <FrankFrink> ]Ign:8 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu groovy InRelease
[09:24] <FrankFrink> Err:9 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu groovy Release
[09:24] <FrankFrink>   404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[09:24] <FrankFrink> chnaged it to the german mirror site. same
[09:24] <FrankFrink> sources.list line: deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ groovy main restricted
[09:24] <FrankFrink> (example)
[09:26] <FrankFrink> with a webbrowser i can easily download http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal/Release
[09:27] <KBar> FrankFrink: can you post the full content of sources.list on pastebin?
[09:27] <FrankFrink> can do. one sec.
[09:27] <KBar> FrankFrink: also, any PPAs?
[09:28] <FrankFrink> https://pastebin.com/LiKHT9ZA
[09:29] <KBar> FrankFrink: anything in sources.list.d?
[09:30] <FrankFrink> no
[09:31] <KBar> FrankFrink: hmm. do you really need source packages? i dont think it should interfere, but try commenting out deb-src lines
[09:31] <FrankFrink> also, if so, it wouldnt affect the ubuntus release file no beeing able to be fetched id assume
[09:31] <FrankFrink> yes i really need source packages. and no id will not help to remove them so i dont :)
[09:31] <FrankFrink> please no reboot, wait 5 minutes advice :)
[09:34] <Gallomimia> damnit. there's a thousand lines in this manual but it won't tell me how to reverse the sort order in top
[09:34] <KBar> FrankFrink: yeah you can manually set them to hirsute/impish but thats a bit tricky/risky.
[09:34] <FrankFrink> gallomina: type ? while in top tro see options
[09:35] <Gallomimia> yeah it's not there either, unless i'm blind
[09:35] <KBar> FrankFrink: better to just wait til april
[09:35] <KBar> and reinstall the new lts
[09:37] <FrankFrink> mhm, ok not an option. then ill try to mess a bit around. packagemanagement is allready broken here. if nothing works out ill reinstall.
[09:37] <KBar> FrankFrink: unplug your computer from the power sources, wait 5 mins and turn it on again
[09:38] <FrankFrink> kbar: :)
[09:38] <Gallomimia> shift R. ah finally
[09:40] <FrankFrink> back in the days of debian. when a dist-upgrade had to be done, one just changed the spources list and did an apt-get distupgrade
[09:41] <FrankFrink> may someone post me a sources.list for a 20.10 ubuntu
[09:41] <Gallomimia> probably wise of you frank, i have never once trusted the do-release-upgrade function
[09:43] <FrankFrink> ok, it aint the sources.list:)  the problem is somewhere else, mayebe some authentification stuff or something. ill strace into thant
[10:24] <jayratio> hi
[10:27] <jayratio> I am a newbie can someone please guide me how to share folders on second hard drive in ubuntu to be accessible from windows 7
[10:27] <ubuntuliveGuest6> hello!
[10:28] <ubuntuliveGuest6> I have started my latop from ubunutu life usb. have been using it and opened many tabs in firefox, now it froze
[10:28] <ubuntuliveGuest6> question: Is there a way, I can force gnome to restart and thus unfreeze?
[10:29] <KBar> ubuntuliveGuest6: that will end your current Live session. What version of Ubuntu are/were you running?
[10:29] <ubuntuliveGuest6> I know I could simply restart, but then I'd lose some files I have been working with, since I had not saved them yet to an eyternal medium
[10:29] <ubuntuliveGuest6> the stick is a bit old. it is ubuntu 20/10
[10:30] <ubuntuliveGuest6> it will end the session but the OS will still bne running and I can relogin and access the files
[10:30] <KBar> ubuntuliveGuest6: is it a total freeze? Unresponsive input?
[10:30] <ubuntuliveGuest6> I once ran sudo service gdm restart and i could log in a gain and everything was there.
[10:30] <ubuntuliveGuest6> but now I cant
[10:31] <ubuntuliveGuest6> yes, total freeze. mouse not moving, a youtube video is on a 2 second eternal audio loop driving me crazy , lol
[10:31] <KBar> ubuntuliveGuest6: run `loginctl list-sessions` and then `loginctl kill-session SESSION_NAME`
[10:31] <ubuntuliveGuest6> I tried ctrl alt f5 for tty, but not reacting
[10:32] <ubuntuliveGuest6> I  cannot acess any terminal
[10:32] <KBar> ubuntuliveGuest6: Alt+PrtSc+F
[10:32] <ubuntuliveGuest6> I tried fn+ctrl+alt+sys+F to kill but I guess that key combination was disabled in ubuntu
[10:32] <Nobrem> re
[10:33] <Nobrem> The #android channel is totally dead,  please,  does anyone here use "Android Studio" ??
[10:33] <ubuntuliveGuest6> ok, alt+PrtScr+F no effect.
[10:33] <ubuntuliveGuest6> also tried alt+f then r then enter
[10:34] <KBar> ubuntuliveGuest6: yeah, that looks unrecoverable
[10:34] <ubuntuliveGuest6> :(
[10:35] <KBar> jayratio:  hello and welcome. Sorry, I'm not familiar with the subject but did you try this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/ubuntu-help/nautilus-connect.html.en
[10:35] <ubuntuliveGuest6> i often use live usb. is there a way to prevent it from freezing?
[10:35] <ubuntuliveGuest6> normally sysload is then around 100
[10:36] <KBar> ubuntuliveGuest6: it looks like a faulty USB drive or lack of RAM.
[10:36] <jayratio> ok will check
[10:36] <ubuntuliveGuest6> and kswap0d is eating a lot of cpu, though swap is disabled
[10:37] <ubuntuliveGuest6> yes, only happens when many tabs open, but I am a notorious tab opener
[10:37] <KBar> ubuntuliveGuest6: you can try booting up Ubuntu with a lighter DE, i.e. Xubuntu or Lubuntu.
[10:37] <ubuntuliveGuest6> but why would a swap service eat cpu is not swap is even present?
[10:37] <ubuntuliveGuest6> and why no oom killer?
[10:37] <KBar> ubuntuliveGuest6: there you have it. You answered your own question: i often use live usb. is there a way to prevent it from freezing? -- try not to open many tabs
[10:38] <ubuntuliveGuest6> I would expect that when ff requests more ram than available, it would either not get it and simpkly wait, or be killed - intead of freezing up the entiere system
[10:39] <ubuntuliveGuest6> how many open tabs does ubuntu support on a 8GB laptop?
[10:39] <ubuntuliveGuest6> So that I always only open n-1
[10:39] <KBar> ubuntuliveGuest6: probably because kernel.sysrq is set to something like 176
[10:40] <KBar> ubuntuliveGuest6: 8GB laptop << is that RAM you're talking about?
[10:40] <ubuntuliveGuest6> yes
[10:41] <KBar> ubuntuliveGuest6: how many open tabs does ubuntu support on a 8GB laptop? << i don't think there's a precise number. and even if there was, ubuntu would be all the way down the list of factors
[10:41] <ubuntuliveGuest6> and there is no other key comnbo that forcefully kills gnome session or even Xserver and lets me logint to tty?
[10:42] <KBar> ubuntuliveGuest6: there probably is. I usually oom and never had a frozen live session. There was something like Ctrl+Alt+Backspace
[10:42] <ubuntuliveGuest6> still, i think, ideally, a system should never get unresponsive at all, no matter what the user does. never see something like that on Windows
[10:42] <ubuntuliveGuest6> ok, I'll try that one too, thx
[10:43] <KBar> ubuntuliveGuest6: live sessions run on X, IIRC. so maybe you can invoke such a key combination. there is probably an answer somewhere on the internet
[10:43] <KBar> ubuntuliveGuest6: feel free to voice your suggestions in #ubuntu-discuss
[10:44] <ubuntuliveGuest6> I'll keep googleing then. Thank you
[11:07] <Guest69> Hey guys, I'm looking at this FDE on Ubuntu 20.04 guide (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Full_Disk_Encryption_Howto_2019) and I'm trying to figure out why the author would create a GPT partition and then use sgdisk to create a hybrid MBR (sgdisk --hybrid 1:2:3 $DEV). I looked around and I can't really find a good reason that it exists and the
[11:07] <Guest69> author did not elaborate on this further. So, I guess I'm here to try and understand why someone might include this. What's the point of it?
[11:14] <cbreak> Guest69: maybe the author has ancient legacy hardware?
[11:15] <Guest69> Maybe, but the hardware does support UEFI and GPT. So I
[11:15] <Guest69> Oops. I'm guessing it's not that ancient.
[11:16] <tomreyn> I would rather guess the purpose is to gain greater compatibility at no additional cost.
[11:17] <Guest69> Does this also mean that partitions 1,2, and 3 are MBR while partition 5 is GPT?
[11:19] <tomreyn> i think it means that a system which only understands MBR could still handle partitions one to three, while a system understanding UEFI would be able to handle all partitions.
[11:19] <tomreyn> plus you could boot with either system if the respective boot manager is installed.
[11:20] <Guest69> I think that makes sense and seems to be kinda useful, although I don't believe I'll ever deal with legacy hardware :P
[11:21] <tomreyn> so you can save 2 MB by not hving the EF02 grub bios boot partition
[11:22] <Guest69> I feel a bit more confident about the guide now, so I guess I'll continue on and try it. The real hard part, however, is going to be including a few other encrypted PVs into the VG and using only 1 password to unlock everything. :D
[11:22] <Guest69> Yeah, I have about 6TB of space to work with, so I don't think I'll ever miss those 2MB
[11:24] <Guest69> Thanks for the help :)  I'll let you know if it worked, if you're interested.
[11:25] <tomreyn> "a few other encrypted PVs" probably means you will have multiple LUKS (?) encrypted storages, each of which will need to be encrypted and decrypted seperately.
[11:26] <Guest69> Yeah, but I think I can set one password and then use keyfiles for the rest and chain them in /etc/crypttab
[11:26] <tomreyn> you can do that
[11:27] <Guest69> This is just an assumption that I'm testing now, though :O  I'm curious to see how far I can go with luks and lvm
[11:28] <lotus|clevo> #lotuscomputers
[11:43] <AakashPawar> Hello
[11:46] <masber> hi, I am trying to install latest version of virtualbox into my ubuntu 20.04, I have downloaded the .dev file but when I try to open it, ubuntu seems to try to install it using "ubuntu software" which keep spinning like not knowing what to do
[11:47] <masber> any way to fix ubuntu software or to install my .dev file in a different way?
[13:04] <supercool> I am trying to run a server on a remote server with ubuntu server installed from port 8080 and I am getting a connection refuse error message
[13:04] <supercool> I did open port 8080 using the command uft allow 8080
[13:07] <supercool> But it still failing, could someone help me please?
[13:10] <cbreak> supercool: does something listen on that port? lsof -i -nP
[13:12] <supercool> cbreak: I was with ufw disabled, now I enabled it
[13:12] <supercool> But still
[13:12] <supercool> cbreak: let me check
[13:15] <supercool> cbreak: no, no services connected to that port using that command even with the server running
[13:15] <supercool> Do you think I should restart the server?
[13:17] <supercool> But if I use netstat with grep for that port it shows LISTEN
[13:44] <MrCollinsGA> is wall an active terminal command in ubuntu? I cant see any messages when I use that
[14:03] <tomreyn> MrCollinsGA: wall lets users send commands to other (text) terminals if those allowed it using the "mesg" command
[14:04] <MrCollinsGA> tomreyn, can wall be put in a bash script ie wall "script.foo has been executed" or what have you
[14:04] <tomreyn> also very old but sometimes more useful for multi-user systems where people actually work on terminals only is talkd
[14:05] <MrCollinsGA> thank you tomreyn
[14:05] <tomreyn> MrCollinsGA: sure, i don't see why not. maybe you're having wrong expectations about what it does, though. what's your goal, how is this system used?
[14:06] <tomreyn> for example, do not expect 'wall' messages to show up in graphical user interfaces
[14:06] <MrCollinsGA> tomreyn, well, I am ssh in the machine via terminal and sometimes a script will run (I want it to run) I would like to be notified if I am typing away at another issue. NO gui loaded.
[14:07] <MrCollinsGA> tomreyn, a script might run on when told to by cron for instance.
[14:08] <tomreyn> it might be useful then, but note that those messages can also get in yourway, i.e. if you're editing some file and a wall message comes up, that can be annoying since it would overwrite the editor screen.
[14:08] <MrCollinsGA> tomreyn, fair enough! :) thank you!
[14:08] <tomreyn> the less direct approach to messaging is email
[14:08] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:08] <tomreyn> with users receiving a notification on stdout when they received a new one
[14:09] <MrCollinsGA> ok!
[14:09] <tomreyn> i.e. the "You have mail." message, you've probably seen that before.
[14:59] <MrCollinsGA> tomreyn, how about a command in bash that I can put in the file 'wait until this job is done until moving to the next line or job'
[14:59] <Jeremy31> &&
[15:00] <MrCollinsGA> Jeremy31 ok let me try that.
[15:01] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: I gave you exactly that 2 days ago
[15:01] <MrCollinsGA> leftyfb, if I remembered it, why would I ask again? :)
[15:01] <MrCollinsGA> You forget I am a moron! :)
[15:31] <oerheks> dnsproxy ánd tor.. dns-tor-proxy ?
[15:32] <leftyfb> oerheks: ?
[15:32] <oerheks> mis paste, sorry
[15:36] <zetheroo> I need help with something which ultimately may or may not be an Ubuntu problem. Any help is appreciated. I am troubleshooting a problem with ESET Endpoint on Linux and OpenSSL on Ubuntu 20.04. Basically there is this message in the syslog is: ESET Endpoint Antivirus Error: Cannot init openssl library
[15:37] <amazoniantoad> Can I ask a xen question in here? It might possibly be some kind of ubuntu-related problem
[15:37] <amazoniantoad> I know, don't ask to ask
[15:38] <oerheks> zetheroo, https://support.eset.com/en/kb3584-i-receive-the-error-message-cannot-init-openssl-library-when-installing-eset-filemailgateway-security-for-linux they want you to install 2 packages
[15:39] <zetheroo> oerheks: thanks, they are already installed
[15:39] <oerheks> and " it is necessary to have both the 32-bit and 64-bit versions of OpenSSL installed "
[15:39] <zetheroo> I'm not sure how to dig more info out about the problem
[15:40] <zetheroo> oerheks: hmmm ok
[15:41] <zetheroo> how do I know which version is installed?
[15:45] <WaV> dpkg -l <package> | It will either say amd64 or i386. Or, in the case of having both installed, there will be two lines (1 of each).
[15:45] <zetheroo> ii  openssl        1.1.1f-1ubuntu2.10 amd64        Secure Sockets Layer toolkit - cryptographic utility
[15:46] <zetheroo> ok, so it's the x64 version
[15:46] <zetheroo> How does one install the 32bit version?
[15:46] <WaV> yea so according to what oerheks said, you need the i386 version, which I couldn't tell you how to do to be frank. Maybe he can.
[15:47] <ogra> sudo apt install openssl:i386 should work
[15:47] <oerheks> yes
[15:47] <oerheks> no need to add archtecture
[15:48] <zetheroo> oops https://pastebin.com/raw/9RV9Ldsz
[15:49] <ogra> so try to add that to your line: sudo apt install openssl:i386 libssl1.1:i386
[15:50] <zetheroo> https://pastebin.com/raw/5a6EfX9s
[15:52] <ogra> zetheroo, that looks like you already had something messed up before
[15:52] <zetheroo> ogra: would not surprise me. I don't know what the user has done all on this PC.
[15:53] <zetheroo> I'm remotely connected via SSH over a VPN connection .. so my access is somewhat limited.
[15:56] <zetheroo> could it be because the user installed another GUI/Desktop?
[15:57] <zetheroo> and this caused the removal of a host of packages, including the 32bit openssl ... ?
[15:58] <zetheroo> because this was working when the PC was initially setup and handed over.
[16:01] <zetheroo> it seems to me that libqt5gui5 is installed in Ubuntu 20.04 by default.
[16:06] <zetheroo> Interestingly, on my own PC (also running Ubuntu 20.04) I only have openssl 64bit installed, and ESET is running fine.
[16:09] <zetheroo> Also, when I try to install openssl:i386 I am told that the package openssl will be removed. So apparently you cannot have both versions installed at the same time?!
[16:16] <tomreyn> zetheroo: you should probably seek vendor support at this time, since this software is not part of ubuntu and the error message seems to be misleading
[16:17] <zetheroo>  tomreyn: yeah, doing that now. 👍
[17:20] <frasson> Hi. I have a quite old computer with 4Gb RAM: 2 DDR2 2Gb cards. I installed a 3rd card, but it didn't increase available memory. Any help?
[17:21] <jhutchins> frasson: Most PCs these days require RAM to be installed two slots at a time.
[17:22] <jhutchins> They don't have to match the existing DIMM's specs, they can be slower or faster, but they have to match each other.
[17:23] <leftyfb> 32bit computers were also limited to 4G of memory
[17:27] <jhutchins> leftyfb: PAE.
[17:28] <leftyfb> only if they're running a PAE kernel
[17:28] <leftyfb> they have to mention even running ubuntu or what version
[17:28] <jhutchins> That would be a software limit, not a hardware limit.
[17:29] <leftyfb> yup, they didn't mention where they determined if the memory increased or not
[17:59] <frasson> jhutchins: thanks. I will try to get another mem card to pair. Thanks
[18:01] <frasson> leftyfb, it is a dual core Intel processor. Pastebin for lscpu:
[18:01] <frasson> https://pastebin.com/m3Qz9rQc
[18:02] <frasson> I think (but not sure) I could handle more than 4gb ram. But indeed there are 3 memory cards sticked
[18:02] <leftyfb> frasson: it's best to look up he documentation for your hardware
[18:03] <leftyfb> frasson: look in the BIOS to see how much memory is detected there. This more than likely has nothing to do with the OS on your machine
[18:03] <frasson> BIOS says it hass 6Gb memory
[18:03] <frasson> but "free" says only 4gb
[18:04] <leftyfb> frasson: is there memory shard for video in the BIOS?
[18:04] <leftyfb> shared*
[18:05] <leftyfb> frasson: also: uname -a
[18:05] <frasson> there is a separated video card... That is what I can say. I actually don't know about video memory
[18:06] <frasson> The CPU case is open. I can look, but I am rather newbie on hardware
[18:06] <frasson> output for uname -a:
[18:06] <frasson> Linux sme-frasson-lesma 5.11.0-46-generic #51~20.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jan 7 06:51:40 UTC 2022 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[18:08] <leftyfb> frasson: having the cover open on your chassis has nothing to do with the BIOS being configured to share memory with an onboard video chipset, regardless if you have another dedicated GPU card
[18:09] <frasson> leftyfb: I see.
[18:11] <frasson> before this chat I entered BIOS and looked into every tab for memory. It says little, said that there were available 6gb, I didn't looked into shared memory. It could be
[18:12] <frasson> If I could diagnose this with command line it could be better. I don't have now another machine to keep chat and look into this PC BIOS
[19:43]  * mwsd82 is away: Time to eat something, see you!
[20:07] <mannequin> why is 5.13 the main kernel in 20.04? it's EOL
[20:08] <Maik> it's the HWE kernel which is used in 21.10
[20:08] <Maik> but afaik 20.04 officially still runs on kernel 5.11
[20:09] <leftyfb> the HWE kernel in 20.04 is 5.11, not 5.13
[20:09] <Maik> ah right
[20:09] <leftyfb> The linux-image-generic is <IP_ADDRESS>.98
[20:10] <Maik> 5.11.0-46-generic #51~20.04.1-Ubuntu
[20:10] <jmiahjones3> I believe next month 20.04 will update to 5.13 though
[20:10] <Maik> mannequin: ^
[20:10] <mannequin> it already updatted at my end
[20:10] <Maik> then you did  that manually
[20:11] <leftyfb> at the moment, 5.13 is available, but I'm pretty sure nothing will install that automatically. It needs to be done manually
[20:11] <Maik> installing the 5.13 kernel that is
[20:11] <loganchris898> 👋
[20:12] <Maik> leftyfb: i bet mannequin did just that
[20:14] <oerheks> hwe-edge probably, you should mention that mannequin
[20:14] <mannequin> huh?
[20:15] <leftyfb> yup, -edge is on 5.13
[20:15] <mannequin> what is hwe-edge?
[20:15] <leftyfb> mannequin: you either installed 5.13 directly or through the linux-image-generic-hwe-20.04-edge package
[20:15] <leftyfb> mannequin: 5.13 does not get automatically installed in any other way
[20:16] <mannequin> i did install 5.13 by had but then removed it
[20:16] <leftyfb> mannequin: either way, either of those methods should only be done if you know what you are doing and how to manage kernels including when they go EOL
[20:16] <mannequin> some time after ubuntu decided to fetch 5.13 with apt
[20:17] <leftyfb> mannequin: then you didn't remove it properly
[20:17] <mannequin> i did remove it proprerly
[20:17] <Maik> if so then ubuntu can't install it for you automatically
[20:17] <oerheks> how do you tell 5.13 is EOL ?
[20:17] <mannequin> kernel.org
[20:17] <leftyfb> mannequin: do you need help removing 5.13 properly?
[20:18] <mannequin> no
[20:18] <mannequin> i'm ok with 5.13
[20:18] <mannequin> because my wifi works properly
[20:18] <mannequin> and 5.14 does not boot at all
[20:18] <Maik> then why are you complaining....
[20:18] <mannequin> waiting for newer kernels
[20:18] <leftyfb> mannequin: this is a support channel. Please keep it to asking for help and not complaints
[20:19] <mannequin> i'm sorry you think i'm complaining
[20:25] <jmiahjones3> mannequin: The Ubuntu kernel is supported through the lifecycle even if upstream is EOL.
[20:26] <jmiahjones3> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/FAQ#Kernel.2FFAQ.2FGeneralUbuntuDelta.What_differentiates_the_Ubuntu_Kernel_from_the_upstream_Linux_Kernel.3F
[20:26] <leftyfb> mannequin: you should really just stick with the hwe kernel
[20:27] <leftyfb> unless you know what you are doing and how to remove kernels you don't want
[20:30] <Jeremy31> Ubuntu 5.13 kernel is supported until late July
[20:56] <mannequin> ok
[21:17] <axsuul> Do you guys have an idea of when we should expect 20.04 to have a new kernel update via linux-generic-hwe-20.04?
[21:19] <oerheks> https://ubuntu.com/kernel/lifecycle#support-20-04 gives a clue
[21:19] <oerheks> with .5 you might get the 22.04 kernel ?
[21:20] <jmiahjones3> I expect next month sometime based on the calendar. https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle
[21:21] <jmiahjones3> Ah yes oerheks has the better link
[22:31] <gneeriiloeepdeer> apparently I have copied a defective epub file in the clipboard and now my computer has 0 MiB of free space left, meaning I cannot run word and if I reboot the system it will lock me out of it (no free space). How do I solve this?
[22:32] <gneeriiloeepdeer> the defective epub is 127 MiB in size
[22:34] <leftyfb> gneeriiloeepdeer: free up some disk space
[22:35] <leftyfb> gneeriiloeepdeer: run sudo ncdu /   # if you don't have ncdu installed try to install it with: sudo apt install ncdu # if you don't have enough space to install it, then boot into a live cd/usb, install ncdu, mount your drive and run ncdu against it to find out where all your space is being taken up
[22:38] <gneeriiloeepdeer> leftyfb, it worked, thanks
[22:42] <transhumanist> hi! If I want to specify a file size for dd without typing in 20 characters when I get up to 16 gig 32 gig 64 gig , etc how would I specify this with dd?
[22:42] <transhumanist> perhaps with the seek command?
[22:43] <sarnold> I've used bash's arithmetic feature before, eg $((1024*1024*1024*20))
[22:44] <leftyfb> transhumanist: fallocate -l 16G test.img
[22:44] <transhumanist> thanks leftyfb
[22:46] <leftyfb> transhumanist: if you must use dd, you can do dd if=/dev/zero of=test.img bs=1024 count=0 seek=$[1024*1024*16]
[23:17] <ogra> if yu have enough ram something like: dd if=/dev/zero of=testimage.img bs=1G count=16 works fine as well
[23:18] <ogra> (though definitely a lot slower than fallocate)
[23:21] <ProfessorChunk> So all the docs I find on setting a static IP in Ubuntu Server 20 say you must disable cloud-init first
[23:21] <ProfessorChunk> but my yaml file is a cloud init file.. I am very confused by netplan
[23:22] <axsuul> oerheks: jmiahjones3: thanks, hmm that schedule is a bit hard to read, hah. what does .5 mean, sorry
[23:33] <Pete77> Hello all, i have a small question, i have the repos for impoish main, restricted, universe in my home directory in a folder and now i want to add it to my sources.list. but it looks like after i do apt-get update, it is not able to update the repository datas. Any idea why?
[23:36] <Pete77> The output is that some files aren't found during the apt-get update, but if i put in the exaclty directory that apt says the file isn't here, it is...
[23:37] <oerheks> and.. your current system is not impish 21.10 ?
[23:37] <Pete77> yes
[23:37] <Pete77> i see one thing
[23:37] <oerheks> interesting
[23:37] <Pete77> all the data in the local repos are with .tar or other extensions
[23:37] <oerheks> i think that is not the proper way to upgrade.
[23:37] <Pete77> but apt's output is without any extension for the files
[23:38] <Pete77> like in the directory: main/cnf/Commands-amd64.xz but apt want a Commands-amd64 maybe?
[23:40] <oerheks> wait, you want to add these repos as a mirror? from a homefolder?
[23:40] <oerheks> why not in /var/www
[23:40] <transhumanist> thanks leftyfb
[23:40] <Pete77> i mean i move it after it works to another directory like /var/www
[23:41] <Pete77> but i think this doesn't makes any difference atm right?
[23:42] <sarnold> Pete77: this is what I've got for my archive mirror to read files from disk https://termbin.com/2trga
[23:44] <Pete77> special rights set? my sources.list looks not very different: deb file:///home/pete/ubuntu-mirror impish main restricted universe multiverse
[23:44] <Pete77> and this for impish-updates, impish-security too
[23:47] <sarnold> Pete77: nothing fancy https://termbin.com/xvho
[23:50] <Pete77> weird
[23:50] <Pete77> and you also have .xz .tar and other extensions in your mirror and not extracted files right?
[23:52] <sarnold> yeah
[23:52] <Pete77> maybe debmirror created a wrong local mirror for me


[00:17] <pauljw> hi everyone
[00:17] <daftykins> helloooo
[00:18] <pauljw> :D
[00:20] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Is back up :)
[00:21] <daftykins> they could rebuild me, they have the technology!
[00:22] <Bashing-om> daftykins: With a little help from TelCo :P
[00:23] <daftykins> yep they supplied the ladder :>
[00:23] <Bashing-om> LOL
[04:55] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:29] <EriC^^> morning lotuspsychje
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^ morning mate
[06:30] <EriC^^> how are you?
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> fine mate, coffee before work
[06:36] <EriC^^> cool
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> !info pypy bionic
[06:45] <ubot5`> pypy (source: pypy): fast alternative implementation of Python - PyPy interpreter. In component universe, is extra. Version 5.10.0+dfsg-3build2 (bionic), package size 7604 kB, installed size 46484 kB
[06:57] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> hey lordievader
[06:59] <lordievader> Hey  lotuspsychje
[06:59] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> fine fine tnx and you?
[07:00] <lordievader> I'm doing alright :)
[07:32] <jink> Morning, kids. :P
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> hey jink
[07:34] <jink> ^__^
[07:35] <ducasse> good morning, everyone
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[07:35] <ducasse> hi lotuspsychje - relaxing before work?
[07:37] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[07:37] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: got my dependecy hell cleared on bionic
[07:40] <ducasse> goodie, did it just resolve itself when updates came through?
[08:13] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: no, i had to remove some file
[08:14] <lotuspsychje> then updates went came in
[08:22] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: ok, good that you got it solved.
[13:39] <BluesKaj_> Hi folks
[13:40] <ducasse> morning, BluesKaj_
[13:40] <BluesKaj_> Hi ducasse
[13:43] <BluesKaj_> hmm, bionic doesn't remember my settings
[16:14] <nacc> TJ-: ping
[16:14] <TJ-> nacc: pong
[16:15] <nacc> TJ-: LP: #1730731,
[16:15] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1730731 in ycmd (Ubuntu) "[16.04] no autocomplete and multiple errors due to expecting different python-bottle version" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1730731
[16:15] <nacc> TJ-: only ymcd in xenial needs the fix?
[16:17] <TJ-> nacc: hmmm, let me refresh, it's a while since I touched that
[16:17] <nacc> TJ-: yeah, me too and I dropped the ball on it :/
[16:21] <TJ-> right - 16.04 didn't have the 08-bottle patch, which I added in my local build to solve it
[17:14] <nacc> TJ-: and it's fixed elsewhere (17.10+)
[17:18] <TJ-> nacc: I pulled the patch from 17.04 I think
[17:20] <nacc> TJ-: ok, thanks, I'll try and sponsor today, sorry for the delay
[17:22] <TJ-> nacc: not a problem; since I fixed it locally I'd totally forgotten about it :)
[18:16] <EriC^^> evening all
[18:42] <ducasse> evening, EriC^^
[23:13] <guiverc> just noticed RxReviews.org is linked as a user "Bodhi.Zazen" via Planet Ubuntu - anyone know who has authority to remove/chase up why?
[23:15] <daftykins> remove what?
[23:15] <OerHeks> http://rxreviews.org/  errors out here
[23:16] <daftykins> definitely recognise the name Bodhi
[23:16] <guiverc> lady viagra i don't think belongs on planet.ubuntu; and bodhi.zazen's rss feed goes to pharmacy shop (maybe a site lease expired & drug-pharmacy purchased it?)
[23:17] <guiverc> lp shows Bodhi has been around since 2012 - Bodhi is not issue in my opinion; just rss feed is wrong!
[23:17] <guiverc> (in my opinion anyway)
[23:17] <daftykins> i have no idea where you are seeing any of this :)
[23:17] <guiverc> appeared in my feeds; is from planet.ubuntu.com (where members provide a RSS/xml feed that goes to planet.ubuntu)
[23:17] <akik> rxreviews.org is missing from dns
[23:18] <OerHeks> guiverc, got ya, http://rxreviewz.com/lady-era/
[23:18] <OerHeks> z, not s
[23:19] <OerHeks> mail to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to get this removed?
[23:19] <OerHeks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu
[23:20] <daftykins> haha that's quite amusing :>
[23:20] <guiverc> thank you OerHeks - will do (and cc to bodhi.zazen)
[23:21]  * guiverc holds head in shame for not finding it on wiki :(
[23:23] <guiverc> thanks Folks for help, appreciated
[23:23] <OerHeks> :-)
[23:31] <guiverc>   // sorry OerHeks it was http://rxreviewz.com/ -- my typo (!.org)


[06:46] <Squirm> hello
[07:35] <Kilos> good morning all of ya
[07:35] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[07:35]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[07:38] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee please
[07:38] <Maaz> inetpro: Okay
[07:39] <inetpro> goeiemore Kilos, and others
[07:39] <Kilos> môre inetpro
[07:39] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and inetpro!
[07:40] <Kilos> Maaz, dankie man
[07:40] <Maaz> Groot plesier my vriend
[08:08] <Langjan> Hi kilos, are you there?
[08:09] <Kilos> hiya Langjan
[08:09] <Kilos> busy mailing you too
[08:09] <Kilos> hehe
[08:09] <Langjan> Hi my friend, are you well?
[08:09] <Kilos> yes ty and you
[08:10] <Langjan> Yes very, by God's grace
[08:10] <Kilos> thank heavens He helps us through tough times hey
[08:11] <Langjan> Absolutely. When will be a good time for you to tackle this upgrade with me?
[08:11] <Kilos> right now if you got time
[08:11] <nlsthzn> Morning uncle Kilos , Langjan and all...
[08:12] <Kilos> hiya nlsthzn
[08:12] <Langjan> Hi nlsthzn, are you well?
[08:12] <Kilos> nlsthzn, you wanna check me and help with Langjan upgrading to 11.04
[08:13] <nlsthzn> Langjan, always good, thanks for asking... and yourself?
[08:13] <Kilos> nlsthzn, he is a bigger uncle than me
[08:13] <nlsthzn> Kilos, sure... but may I ask why 11.04 and not 11.10?
[08:13] <nlsthzn> Sorry Oom Langjan
[08:13] <Kilos> like 90 or something
[08:13] <Langjan> kilos, I dont really have the time right now, but if I can do it a step at a time, firstly if I can recover my old mails it will give me a tremendous boost
[08:13] <nlsthzn> :)
[08:13] <Kilos> hehe
[08:14] <Kilos> doesnt thunderbird have a backup option
[08:14] <Kilos> Langjan, tonight is fine too
[08:15] <Kilos> well nlsthzn you cant upgrade from maverick to 11.10 straight
[08:15] <Langjan> Please remind me how do I type your name easily, nlsthzn
[08:15] <Kilos> nl tab Langjan
[08:16] <Kilos> thats a stinker without using tab
[08:16] <Kilos> hehe
[08:16] <nlsthzn> ah... well to be honest I had a horrible upgrade experience or too so if I go for a new distro now it is fresh intalls all the way when possible...
[08:16] <nlsthzn> but to each his own... perhaps even worth it to wait until the Pangolin lands in April...
[08:16] <Langjan> nlsthzn, thanks, seems like no sense to go to unproven 11.10 when 11.04 has same lifespan?
[08:16] <Kilos> ok first we gotta get him to make backups
[08:18] <nlsthzn> well, 11.04 will be support will end 6 months before 11.10 because they are 6 months appart... but no issues with Natty, it was a good release for me (and it still has classic gnome 2 which 11.10 doesn't)
[08:19] <Langjan> nlsthzn, according to the site, the 11.04 has the same lifespan as the 11.10, because it's (oh shucks, I forget what they call it, but every .10 version is designed for longer lifespan)
[08:20] <Kilos> lts
[08:20] <nlsthzn> Langjan, every second year a LTS release comes out
[08:20] <Langjan> Every .04
[08:20] <Kilos> but thats only with 12.04
[08:20] <nlsthzn> 11.04 is not LTS
[08:20] <nlsthzn> 10.04 was as well as 12.04 will be
[08:20] <Langjan> thats it LTS
[08:20] <Kilos> last one was lucid i think
[08:20] <Langjan> Sorry, 11.10 is correct
[08:21] <Langjan> 11.0Now I'm confused
[08:21] <Kilos> Langjan, you have unity on your wifes pc hey
[08:22] <nlsthzn> :) so many numbers and code names :p
[08:22] <Kilos> lol
[08:22] <Langjan> Is unity 11.04?
[08:22] <nlsthzn> 11.04 Natty Narwhal was the first one to ship with the new Unity interface
[08:22] <Kilos> yes with the option to use gnome destop interface
[08:22] <Langjan> Yes its on my wifes pc
[08:22]  * nlsthzn lurks as uncle Kilos has everything under control :)
[08:22] <Kilos> do you like it
[08:23] <Kilos> no nlsthzn
[08:23] <Kilos> i know nothing of unity
[08:24] <nlsthzn> Younateee is awesomeness... but it is just an alternative shell (interface)... behind the scenes it is same old same old
[08:24] <Langjan> Its fine, it was just the desktop that irritated me when I had it on my system but now I know that the other option is also available
[08:25] <Kilos> first you must make a backup
[08:25] <nlsthzn> Langjan, in 11.10 the official fallback is Unity-2D which looks like normal Unity.  There is a gnome fallback which can be installed but it isn't 100% the same as it isn't Gnome 2 now but Gnome 3 (as Gnome 2 has now ended basically)
[08:25] <Kilos> do you have an external usb drive Langjan
[08:25] <Langjan> no kilos
[08:26] <Kilos> no usb stick either?
[08:26] <nlsthzn> 11.10 has been a culture shock for many people
[08:26] <Langjan> yes that I have
[08:26] <Langjan> 1 gig
[08:26] <Kilos> hopefully thats big enough
[08:27] <Langjan> for my e-mails?
[08:27] <Kilos> delete everything on it
[08:27] <Kilos> for a backup
[08:27] <Kilos> nlsthzn, you use thunderbird hey
[08:28] <Kilos> how do you make backups
[08:28] <nlsthzn> I started since 11.04...
[08:28]  * nlsthzn goes do some google-fu as I never backup e-mail ... I use gmail and all e-mail is always available online
[08:28] <Kilos> evolution you  click on file and go backup
[08:29] <Kilos> it backsup all settings and contacts etc
[08:29] <Kilos> has thunderbird got that option?
[08:30] <Langjan> Kilos, I would like to start by retrieving my lost e-mails and address books on the old system (my spare hard drive)
[08:31] <Kilos> Langjan, can you say where and how they are lost
[08:31] <Kilos> if that drive was formatted then there are tools that recover everything that was on there
[08:32] <Kilos> but they come in numbers not filenames so you will spend days sorting to see what was picks or mails or music etc
[08:34] <Langjan> I think they are still in a folder, I have seen it and tried to recover the contents, it shows the sub-folder name setc
[08:35] <Kilos> can you try dragging that folder from that drive to your desktop
[08:36] <Langjan> Normally I would boot on the other drive but let me see if I can access it from here
[08:36] <Kilos> cant you open them or does it say you havent got permission
[08:40] <Langjan> I'm trying to find the TBird but am not sure which filesystem it is
[08:40] <nlsthzn> ... to make a backup of thunderbird later will be easy enough...
[08:41] <Kilos> but anyway Langjan if you havent gone to your mail site and deleted them there you can get them all by marking them as unread
[08:41] <Kilos> then your new thunderbird will get them again
[08:43] <Langjan> I'm referring to mails that have been deleted from the site a long time a go, it 's set to only keep for 14 days
[08:44] <Kilos> oh my
[08:44] <Kilos> ok lets try find these in that folder
[08:44] <Kilos> do you save them in a separate folder or how did they get into a folder?
[08:46] <Kilos> gmail keeps mine forever looks like
[08:46] <Langjan> as far as I know they  are stored there automatically, home folder?
[08:47] <Kilos> nlsthzn, does thunderbird have a home folder or is that Langjan s home folder
[08:48] <Kilos> like places /home/
[08:49] <Langjan> I'm wasting your time now, let me find those folders then I will get back to you guys
[08:49] <Kilos> i got lotsa time Langjan
[08:50] <Kilos> till i stop breathing
[08:50] <Kilos> hehe
[08:51] <Kilos> Langjan, can you still boot into that drive?
[08:51] <Langjan> Me too, only thing is I don't know when I will stop breathing...Thanks kilos but I don't and it is frustrating me
[08:51] <Kilos> no problem my friend
[08:51] <Langjan> Yes I can, that's why I will prefer to try to get the folders and then get back toy uo
[08:52] <Kilos> ok boot into it and make a backup of thunderbird
[08:52] <Langjan> Maybe this evening
[08:52] <nlsthzn> sorry, busy helping the wife on an art project...
[08:52] <Kilos> Maaz, google backing up mail with thunderbird on ubuntu maverick
[08:52] <Maaz> Kilos: "ThunderbirdNewVersion - Community Ubuntu Documentation" https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ThunderbirdNewVersion :: "Ubuntu One : Help : Tutorials—Install and setup contacts sync ..." https://one.ubuntu.com/help/tutorial/install-and-setup-contacts-sync/ :: "Get your Emails back in Thunderbird after Ubuntu upgrade | Nazly ..." http://www.nazly.net/get-your-emails-back-in-thunderbird-after-ubuntu-upgrade/ :: "[ubuntu] Best Backup Met
[08:53] <nlsthzn> the folder is in /home/user-name/.thunderbird
[08:53] <Kilos> no probs Langjan mail me when you gonna come on here
[08:53] <Langjan> ok then some time when we get together, on the weekend?
[08:53] <nlsthzn> <Unit193> ~/.thunderbird/weird-stuff.default
[08:53] <nlsthzn> <Unit193> Example: ~/.thunderbird/hs85pi77.default/
[08:53] <Kilos> ok
[08:54] <Kilos> remember what nlsthzn said now
[08:54] <Kilos> so the folder is in /home/jan/
[08:54] <Kilos> might need to do a show all thing there
[08:55] <Langjan> ok thanks, enjoy the rest of your day
[08:55] <Kilos> you too
[08:55] <Kilos> lo dLimit
[08:56] <dLimit> Kilos how are ya?
[08:56] <Kilos> good ty and you dLimit
[08:57] <Kilos> thanks nlsthzn
[08:57] <Kilos> lo zeref
[08:59] <nlsthzn> Kilos, I will try and look for more info so we make sure all possibilities are covered
[08:59] <Kilos> nlsthzn, i think they all got lost when doing an upgrade
[09:00] <nlsthzn> all the previous e-mails?
[09:01] <Kilos> he musta had them saved somewhere in thunderbird
[09:01] <Kilos> they are on his second drive
[09:01] <nlsthzn> Well if the directory is there then the files should be there...
[09:01] <Kilos> im not sure which drive has which OS on
[09:01] <Kilos> yeah
[09:02] <nlsthzn> also, was he using Thunderbird back then or maybe Evolution?
[09:04] <Kilos> that last link from maaz might be a similar prob
[09:04] <Kilos> thunderbird
[09:04] <Kilos> i think i am the only one using evo
[09:04] <Kilos> hehe
[09:10] <nlsthzn> :)
[09:10] <nlsthzn> Thunderbird is just so much easier to setup
[09:11] <Kilos> easier than evo?
[09:12] <nlsthzn> light years...
[09:12] <nlsthzn> well, for gmail in any case
[09:12] <nlsthzn> add mail address and password... click on imap...
[09:12] <nlsthzn> done
[09:12] <Kilos> i cant use imap
[09:12] <Kilos> have to use pop
[09:13] <Kilos> i will try thunderbird one of these days
[09:13] <nlsthzn> well the same applies for pop...  just choose pop and done
[09:13] <Kilos> but evo has been good to me
[09:14] <Kilos> oh you dont need to at :995 and :465
[09:14] <Kilos> hehe
[09:14] <nlsthzn> all that info is there already...
[09:14] <nlsthzn> like I said... much easier for us bnoobs
[09:14] <Kilos> thats nice
[09:14] <nlsthzn> noobs even
[09:14] <Kilos> lol
[09:15] <Kilos> but its 12 meg or so to get thunderbird
[09:15] <nlsthzn> problem is... evolution could be that easy too... not sure why don't just go and make it that easy
[09:15] <nlsthzn> Kilos, not sure... I have been spoiled over here with data
[09:15] <Kilos> yeah it just needs someone to add the necessary info
[09:16] <zeref> oh hai guys :-)
[09:16] <nlsthzn> It looks like Thunderbird queries the servers via the e-mail address to find the info
[09:16] <nlsthzn> hi zeref
[09:17] <Kilos> ah
[09:17] <Kilos> wb zeref
[09:17] <Kilos> you been writing exams
[09:18]  * Kilos wonders how maia's exams are going
[09:18] <Kilos> hiya superfly didnt see you lurking there
[09:24] <zeref> yeah, Kilos, finished yesterday xD
[09:26] <Kilos> hope they went well laddy
[09:44] <Kilos> hiya morgs
[09:45] <morgs> hi Kilos
[09:57] <Kilos> later all
[11:32] <superfly> hi ki
[12:55] <zeref> hmmmm
[12:56] <zeref> anybody here a fundie of python?
[13:20] <superfly> zeref: I know a little
[13:26] <zeref> kk
[13:27] <zeref> umm, i'm currently working on a project using python, was wondering wether qt or wxwidigets?
[13:27] <zeref> would be a good for a GUI
[13:30] <superfly> zeref: Qt
[13:31] <superfly> That's what I've used, and I'm always glad we made the decision to go Qt over wxWidgets
[13:31] <zeref> so used PyQt?
[13:32] <zeref> *you
[13:45] <superfly> yes
[18:22] <Kilos> evening all
[18:29] <Kilos> nuvolari, yooo hooo
[18:30] <zeref> hi Kilos
[18:31] <Kilos> hiya zeref  ek sukkel
[18:31] <zeref> o0o0 met?
[18:32] <Kilos> trying to set up a drive for my sis using maverick
[18:32] <Kilos> she has vodamail.co.za and i cant find the settings for it
[18:33] <Kilos> got her a gmail account but she got 100s of mails lying at vodamail
[18:33] <Kilos> im using evolution
[18:33] <zeref> o0o0
[18:34] <Kilos> it works great to gmail only i cant find pop settings for voda
[18:34] <zeref> not my area i'm afraid
[18:34] <Kilos> lol
[18:34] <Kilos> no prob
[18:34] <Kilos> you happy exams finished
[18:34] <zeref> umm, why not just move all emails from voda to gmail?
[18:34] <zeref> very happy :-D
[18:35] <Kilos> yay
[18:35] <zeref> now i can foucs on work and my projects
[18:35] <Kilos> good
[18:36] <Kilos> i would have to go online to gmail and her vodamail to do that and not gonna waste all that data
[18:36] <zeref> ahh
[18:36] <Kilos> will fone vodacom tomorrow and ask then for settings for pc
[18:36] <Kilos> what work you gonna do
[18:37] <Kilos> IT yes but where
[18:37] <zeref> or the Pop3 server use pop3.vodamail.co.za and for the SMTP server setting, use smtp.vodamail.co.za
[18:38] <zeref> what bout those?
[18:38] <zeref> but that is for outlook
[18:38] <zeref> myb evolution uses the same
[18:38] <zeref> 1) i'm creating a  tennis game with my homies
[18:39] <zeref> 2) for work, providing opensource applications/soultions to companies
[18:41] <Kilos> you gonna go place to place and do installations for clients as well
[18:41] <Kilos> maybe can supply ubuntu/linux help as well then
[18:41] <zeref> yebo
[18:42] <Kilos> i think thats a big thing. most peeps wouldnt know how to get ubuntu going properly and how to fix probs etc
[18:42] <Kilos> and there are lotsa peeps that hate using winsucks
[18:44] <Kilos> those settings look good ty. will most likely have to add :995 to pop3 and :465 to smtp
[18:44] <Kilos> thanks alot i will give it a go
[18:48] <zeref> kk
[19:04] <Kilos> sleep tight all of you
[20:21] <inetpro> Eish!
[20:22]  * inetpro is very frustrated
[20:23] <inetpro> after a safe-upgrade and kernel update I suddenly can no longer get x to start properly
[20:24] <inetpro> +some nvidia updates
[20:25] <inetpro> s/start properly/start/
[20:31] <inetpro> and I'm way to tired to remember past experiences and where to even start to fix this thing


[12:19] <gpd> not as many ppl - which is also nice
[12:19] <daxxar> I see your point. :-)
[12:23] <gpd> you should repeat your question in here - they seem to know what they are talking about - although quiet
[12:24] <daxxar> Okay
[12:25] <daxxar> What could cause Samba to spontaneously reboot my system? I'm running an Ubuntu Server w/ Dapper RC.
[12:25] <daxxar> E.g. entering a subdirectory of my share just *reboots* the whole system. My syslog outputs this at the reboot
[12:26] <daxxar> May 28 00:12:40 datamania mountd[3869] : authenticated mount request from <IP_ADDRESS>:937 for /storage/movies (/storage)
[12:26] <daxxar> May 28 00:15:45 datamania syslogd 1.4.1#17ubuntu7: restart.
[12:26] <daxxar> /storage is an LVM mount, it's also exported as NFS.
[12:28] <infinity> And it's also an automount?
[12:28] <infinity> samba's a red herring here, I think.  Samba would never cause your system to reboot.
[12:28] <daxxar> Yeah, it's an automount.
[12:28] <infinity> mountd could be tickling a kernel bug, though.
[12:28] <daxxar> Hm, okay
[12:31] <daxxar> Hmm. Yeah, I think you're right.
[12:31] <daxxar> I wasn't (previously) able to reproduce this in anything but the samba sessions.
[12:31] <daxxar> But I attempted a few IO operations via FTP, rebooted it there too now.
[12:31] <daxxar> Could it be my FS setup?
[12:31] <daxxar> It's setup for 'largefile' (1mb/inode)
[12:32] <daxxar> And data written right before the reboot is gone. (Directories created, files created)
[12:33] <daxxar> Just to have mentioned it, the memory passed a single full pass of memtest86. I didn't test it beyond that.
[12:33] <daxxar> Okay, it's just not that FS. Could it be my network-card?
[12:34] <infinity> I don't use automounts at all (haven't for years), so not sure how that could be affecting things.
[12:34] <infinity> Is it fine if you access non-mountd directories?
[12:34] <infinity> (Set up a temporary samba share on /tmp, for instance)
[12:34] <daxxar> No, accessing /home via FTP crashes it too.
[12:34] <daxxar> :o
[12:34] <daxxar> Uhm, automounts, is that the same as /etc/fstab-entries without 'noauto', or? :o
[12:34] <daxxar> (I assumed so when I answered)
[12:35] <infinity> Well, no.  See the "mountd" in your syslog?  That's not a samba thing.
[12:35] <infinity> I assumed you were using an automounter of some sort that was mounting filesystems on demand.
[12:36] <daxxar> Oh, nope.
[12:36] <daxxar> Or, shouldn't be.
[12:37] <daxxar> Hrrm. :|
[12:37] <daxxar> I guess this is HW-related.
[12:37] <infinity> Oh, wait.  mountd is the NFS automounter.
[12:37] <infinity> Silly me.
[12:37] <infinity> You have NFS exports on that machine as well?
[12:37] <daxxar> "dd if=/dev/zero of=test-big bs=1024K count=500" crashed it after ~300MB.
[12:37] <daxxar> Yes.
[12:38] <infinity> Yeah, okay.  The above syslog snippet was when connecting with NFS, not with samba.
[12:38] <infinity> And now I'm less confused.
[12:38] <daxxar> Ah, okay. :-)
[12:38] <infinity> Are you using nfs-user-server or nfs-kernel-server?
[12:38] <daxxar> kernel-server
[12:38] <infinity> Kay, that should be the more stable of the two.
[12:38] <infinity> Anyhow, you already confirmed that connecting some other way (like FTP) also crashed the box, yeah?
[12:38] <daxxar> Yep, and a dd via ssh.
[12:39] <infinity> Oh, you just said dd crashed.  I need to wake up a bit. :)
[12:39] <daxxar> So I Gess it's hw?: (
[12:39] <infinity> Fair chance it's hardware, then.
[12:39] <infinity> dd doesn't "just crash"  Ever.
[12:39] <infinity> It's far too simple to screw up.
[12:39] <daxxar> dd didn't *crash*, it made the box reboot. :-)
[12:39] <infinity> Well, same thing.
[12:40] <infinity> I would only expect dd to bugger the box if either A) you have hardware problems, or B) the kernel REALLY hates you.
[12:40] <infinity> Are you using an Ubuntu kernel, or hand-rolled?
[12:40] <daxxar> Ubuntu
[12:40] <infinity> Our kernels definitely shouldn't explode on filesystem access. :)
[12:40] <infinity> (This isn't reiserfs, is it?)
[12:42] <daxxar> Nope, ext3.
[12:42] <daxxar> Hm.
[12:42] <infinity> Kay, then I'd look at hardware for sure.
[12:42] <daxxar> Shutting down the nfs-kernel-server and the smb-server, and running a:
[12:42] <daxxar> daxxar@datamania:~$ i=1; while /bin/true; do echo "Pass: $i" && dd if=/dev/zero of=test-big bs=1024K count=50 && rm -f test-big && let i++; done
[12:42] <daxxar> Pass: 1
[12:42] <daxxar> I'll see if I manage to crash it now.
[12:44] <daxxar> Pass: 90. *me restarts it with count=100*
[12:46] <daxxar> Hmm. Now a single process hung, the rm -f test-big at pass #60. strace -p <pid> shows nothing on it.
[12:46] <daxxar> Can't kill it either.
[12:46] <frinkillo> maybe you should try running 'badblocks' to see if there's some damage on the HD
[12:46] <daxxar> Hrm. What piece of HW would you suspect is the most likely factor to be the cause?
[12:46] <daxxar> The HD was unwrapped ~6 hours ago. :-P
[12:47] <frinkillo> btw, hi ^^
[12:47] <gpd> SATA or SCSI ?
[12:47] <daxxar> IDE
[12:47] <daxxar> Hi. :-)
[12:47] <daxxar> Hmm. The console shows some huge amount of activity atm.
[12:47] <daxxar> Too fast to read.
[12:48] <frinkillo> I think you should try anyway to eliminate that possibility
[12:48] <daxxar> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/z61UNQ99.html
[12:49] <daxxar>  x ~
[12:49] <frinkillo> sometimes brand new HDs come faulty from factory (very very rare, but happens)
[12:49] <daxxar> daxxar@datamania:~$ sudo init 6
[12:49] <daxxar> Segmentation fault
[12:49] <daxxar> ...
[12:49] <daxxar> :-P
[12:50] <frinkillo> wow
[12:50] <daxxar> But that's after the syslogmessages I pasted.
[12:50] <daxxar> It *did* say "a reboot is needed".
[12:51] <daxxar> "GRUB loading, please wait..." "Error 17"
[12:51] <Mysta> hey guys, I wanted to install vmware server beta and wanted to know if the server distro or the regular distro better suited me
[12:52] <frinkillo> daxxar: FS crashed?
[12:55] <frinkillo> Mysta: I think it doesn't matter as they are almost the same... but IIRC, vmware server comes with a gui, so it could be a better idea installing it on a regular (desktop) system
[12:56] <daxxar> frinkillo, yep. Seems so.
[12:56] <daxxar> Can't remount it via the rescue mode from the install CD.
[12:56] <daxxar> Any way to run badblocks without a full reinstall?
[12:56] <infinity> Then you either have a bad disk, or something in the CPU->Cache->RAM pipeline is horribly corrupting data before it gets to the disk.
[12:57] <infinity> (Or the driver for your controller sucks... Which controller is it?)
[12:57] <frinkillo> yeah, from the rescue CD, try something like 'badblocks -v -s /dev/xxx'
[12:57] <daxxar> The rescue-CD doesn't have badblocks, it seems. :|
[12:57] <frinkillo> ugh
[12:57] <daxxar> http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_detail.php?UID=15 - That mobo
[12:57] <daxxar>
[12:57] <daxxar>  Intel ICH2 Chipset Chipset
[12:57] <daxxar> Onboard ATA controller.
[12:58] <infinity> Oh, that's very well supported.
[12:58] <daxxar> Mkay. You saw the error i pasted on rafb.net?
[12:58] <infinity> So, you're looking at a bad disk, or corruption on the way to the disk (bad CPU/cache, bad RAM, or bad motherboard)
[12:58] <daxxar> How many passes of memtest86 would be needed to rule out RAM-problems? I ran a full pass, no errors.
[12:59] <infinity> Yeah, that didn't tell me much.  Bad paging request could be any of the above as well.
[12:59] <daxxar> Okay.
[01:00] <infinity> Has that CPU ever been overclocked, by chance?
[01:00] <Mysta> anyone/
[01:00] <infinity> Mysta: If you want to use the GUI, go for a desktop install.
[01:01] <infinity> Mysta: If you want the server kernel on a desktop install, just "apt-get install linux-server"
[01:02] <daxxar> infinity, underclocked. :o
[01:02] <daxxar> (AFAIK)
[01:02] <daxxar> It should be a 1.2GHz P3, but it's clocked at 1.0GHz
[01:02] <infinity> daxxar: And it's never been overclocked in the past?
[01:03] <Mysta> thx guys
[01:03] <daxxar> Not AFAIK. But this CPU was inherited from someone else. ;-)
[01:03] <infinity> daxxar: Only curious because this smells like "burnt cache", which is a common side-effect of overclocking.
[01:03] <daxxar> (For some reason, I can't get the multiplier to 9 which it should be, only to 8)
[01:03] <infinity> daxxar: If that someone else was underclocking it to compensate for overclocking it in the past, that might say something. :)
[01:03] <daxxar> Mkay. Doesn't memtest86 test cache too?
[01:03] <infinity> Not reliably, but it tries.
[01:04] <daxxar> Okay. Should I use the Ubuntu Dapper Desktop to test the disk, or get the Seagate tool?
[01:04] <infinity> You can disable cache in the BIOS and try to reproduce the crashes, but it'll run REALLY SLOW without a cache.
[01:04] <infinity> Seagate's tool is more likely to find real problems on the physical disk.
[01:05] <infinity> badblocks will only find what's exposed to the ATAPI/IDE layer, which should be "nothing" on a modern disk, since the disk's firmware is supposed to be swapping our bad blocks on the fly.
[01:05] <daxxar> Hm, okay.
[01:05] <infinity> (Not that this works as well in practice as it's meant to in theory)
[01:06] <frinkillo> hmm interesting
[01:07] <infinity> s/swapping our/swapping out/
[01:07] <infinity> I make more sense with fewer typos.
[01:09] <daxxar> It made sense before the regreplace too. ;)
[01:11] <daxxar> SeaTools includes a RAM-test. :p
[01:13] <Mysta> infinity: i was searching aptitude for that server kernel by searching for linux-server, and came up short, is that the correct name?
[01:13] <daxxar> Ugh. 1 hour to run a full scan of the disk. :|
[01:14] <infinity> Mysta: Yeah.  "linux-server" is probably in restricted, though.  If you only have "main" enabled, "linux-image-server" should do.
[01:14] <Mysta> k, thx
[01:14] <infinity> Mysta: If you're on breezy and not dapper, ignore everything I've said, there are no server-tuned kernels on breezy.
[01:15] <daxxar> Thanks a lot for the help frinkillo, infinity, gpd, :-)
[01:15] <Mysta> infinity: ok, thats why. lol. I just realized i ssh'd to my breezy instead of dapper
[01:15] <daxxar> I'll let this disktest from Seagate run, see if it finds anything.
[01:15] <daxxar> If not, I'll run memtest86 for a few hours.
[01:16] <frinkillo> :)
[01:16] <daxxar> If not, I'll tear my hair out. :|
[01:16] <daxxar> If nothing there, *
[01:16] <Mysta> is there any documentation on what is different in this kernel compared to a regular one?
[01:17] <Mysta> nvmd, i found something
[01:17] <frinkillo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerFaq
[01:18] <Mysta> that helps too thx
[02:34] <eimajenthat> the description says "development discussions," is there a general ubuntu-server channel?
[02:35] <daxxar> Okay.
[02:35] <daxxar> "Full test" completed, no errors.
[02:35] <daxxar> So the problem is not controller / disk. *sighs*
[02:36] <eimajenthat> the description says "development discussions," is there a general ubuntu-server channel?
[02:36] <daxxar> I bet people actually could see what you said the first time.
[02:46] <daxxar> infinity, do you think the error could be caused by a defective PSU?
[02:47] <daxxar> infinity, it doesn't seem to be HD, controller or memory. Could be CPU or MB I guess.
[02:47] <daxxar> (defective or not powerful enough. It should be 300W.)
[04:33] <Zambezi> Is it possible to make Ubuntu-server (Breezy) with to modification, more secure? And how? I would like as high security as possible. Please PM or highlight me name so I won't miss an answer.
[12:14] <phace> well how can i get involved with the ubuntu server development ?
[02:29] <daxxar> Hm, how strange.
[02:29] <daxxar> I ran a full pass on memtest86 before installation, no errors. Then, I ran two passes last night before I went to bed, no errors.
[02:30] <daxxar> Today, I started a pass, and it found 3 errors before it had run for 5 minutes.
[02:31] <daxxar> If it said it found it at address ~122MB, is it safe to assume there are errors on the memorychip in the first slot, since it's 256MB?
[02:31] <daxxar> (The 'channel' field of the errors is blank)
[02:48] <infinity> It's not really save to assume anything, unless you know for sure how the memory controller is interleaving the RAM.
[02:48] <infinity> s/save/safe/
[02:49] <infinity> Your best bet it to do repetitive memtest runs on the machine witch each stick installed individually.
[02:49] <infinity> Pain in the ass, but it's the only reliable way to find a single bad stick.
[02:50] <daxxar> So I need to run how many passes on each stick?
[02:50] <daxxar> Since this was found 5 minutes into the 4th actual pass.
[02:50] <daxxar> = ~5 hours.
[02:50] <daxxar> Eh, 4.
[02:52] <infinity> RAM errors come and go, depending on how well it decides to hold a charge from one moment to the next.
[03:22] <kermitX_> new default phpmyadmin theme sux.. no width contstraints. inputs on far left & submit on far right...


[08:46] <bambee> morning
[09:04] <afiestas> apachelogger: have you seen pink unicorn in Freenode ? :p
[09:04] <afiestas> fluffy freenode!
[09:41] <afiestas> Riddell: This is the plan (tell me if it is compatible with Kubuntu)
[09:41] <afiestas> 1-Release today 1.1 RC
[09:41] <afiestas> 2-Have a week for last minute fixing (though we are going to test like crazies)
[09:42] <afiestas> 3-Release final 1.1 April 6
[09:42] <afiestas> 4-Make small releases 1.1.X with small improvements here and there (more than bugfixing)
[10:43] <kunal> Riddell: hello
[10:43] <kunal> Riddell:avogadro is still not building, any idea how to do that
[10:44] <kunal> Riddell: dependency on both libOpenGL and libQtOpenGL
[13:32] <c2tarun> is there any application available that can convert po files from one language to another?
[13:39] <steveire> c2tarun: A Hooman
[14:53] <txwikinger> Already tried out gmail motion?
[15:07]  * ScottK doesn't even know what it is.
[15:15] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: yeah :P
[15:15] <txwikinger> :D
[16:07] <ScottK> Riddell: Are you around for the release team meeting?
[16:16] <ScottK> I really wish there was a "No April Fools" posts options for the various planets.
[16:18] <Quintasan> :D
[16:18] <Quintasan> ScottK: I do my best not to get trolled.
[16:18]  * ScottK too.  I'd just rather not have to bother.
[16:21] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: HTC Vision can be overclocked to 2,5GHz, problem?
[16:22] <Quintasan> Why aren't we running Kubuntu on mobile phones already?
[16:25] <ScottK> n900 is out only ~supporteed platform.
[16:25] <ScottK> out/our
[16:40] <afiestas> Riddell: ping?
[16:41] <ScottK> I think he's not around.
[17:26] <ScottK> Solid is in kdebase-runtime, right?
[17:42] <bambee> ScottK: libsolid4 is in kdelibs and libsolid4control* are kdebase-workspace
[17:43] <bambee> I use "aptitude changelog" when I doubt :)
[17:44] <ScottK> Thanks.
[17:45] <ScottK> It turns out I still had hal installed, so let's see if removing it helps...
[17:58] <bambee> ScottK: does it work ?
[17:58] <ScottK> It works with hal.
[17:58] <ScottK> Which when I upgraded to Natty caused me some trouble.
[17:59] <ScottK> Removing hal and usb-imagewriter sorted it.
[18:12] <apachelogger> ScottK, Quintasan: I think we are in need of a big picture strategy WRT mobile
[18:13] <apachelogger> I do not see it going anywhere but tech preview unless we find a way to get new kernels for new devices more easily
[18:13] <ScottK> Agreed.
[18:13] <ScottK> Which depends on arm getting to be more sane as a platform.
[18:13] <ScottK> That's sort of what Linaro is meant to fix.
[18:13] <apachelogger> well
[18:14] <apachelogger> in a way, problem is that one kernel will not cut it
[18:14] <apachelogger> like I am resonable confident our omap3 kernel would work pretty good on my tablet
[18:14] <apachelogger> just that it is too fat
[18:15]  * apachelogger needs to get a uds session on that stuff
[18:16] <steveire_> Hey, trying out natty
[18:16] <steveire_> nepomukservicestub crashes on login
[18:16] <steveire_> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=267666 https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdebase/kde-runtime/repository/revisions/c1e733f5f715fe058c48fcc94bb5f67f4ae9cfc6
[18:17] <steveire_> Fix is trivial and is in kde 4.6.2. Will natty have 4.6.2 or .1?
[18:17] <apachelogger> steveire_: .2
[18:17] <steveire_> Ok, so no need to file a bug to backport
[18:17] <apachelogger> or maybe I remember the schedule wrong
[18:18] <steveire_> .2 is out April 5 I think
[18:18] <apachelogger> then .2 it is
[18:18] <steveire_> Well, that's if kde is running on schedule
[18:18] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: O_O
[18:18] <apachelogger> super freeze hits april 14 I believe
[18:18] <steveire_> ok
[18:18] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: but why would one want that? :P
[18:19] <steveire_> The nepomuk issue causes the akonadi dialog everyone hates :)
[18:19] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so you can watch pr0n in HD
[18:20] <apachelogger> steveire_: makes you wonder what is more broken the fact that there is a dialog at all or that it reports stuff no user would possibly care about :P
[18:20] <steveire_> Maybe
[18:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you can do that with the 1GHz processor as well
[18:21] <steveire_> Also, as of today X crashes when I touch my mouse pad
[18:21] <steveire_> And as of yesterday, wireless doesn't work
[18:21] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: not on android you can't
[18:21] <shadeslayer> yes you can
[18:21] <steveire_> I noticed x updates today and dhcpclient+freinds update yesterday.
[18:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: stream stuff over with GMote + VMediaPlayer
[18:22] <apachelogger> I don't now what you are talking about :P
[18:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: and all the streaming stuff is done via Java
[18:23] <apachelogger> streaming?
[18:23]  * apachelogger does not compute
[18:23] <shadeslayer> ...
[18:23] <apachelogger> steveire_: I think those are worth bug reports, though surely there are already some
[18:24] <steveire_> Right. How do I get kdepim4.6 on natty?
[18:25] <ScottK> I think you ask shadeslayer why he's been slacking off even though he has no exams.
[18:25] <ScottK> (he will probably claim exams he failed to mention or his laptop was too heavy to lift)
[18:25] <bambee> OMG... I just turned on my car ...   And?
[18:29] <apachelogger> makes apachelogger go like .... oh wellz, we could do accessibility applications, games, make nu browsers....
[18:29] <ScottK> Always full of excuses.
[18:29] <shadeslayer> steveire_: so we have a alpha/beta release of it in our PPA
[18:29] <steveire_> kubuntu-members ppa or?
[18:30] <shadeslayer> lol ... the page is not even opening on a 3G Connection
[18:30] <shadeslayer> steveire_: one sec
[18:30] <bambee> ScottK: you did not understand, I was driving my car while my exhaust pipe fell on the ground ...
[18:30] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: maybe someone does not want you to see
[18:31] <shadeslayer> steveire_: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental
[18:31] <ScottK> bambee: I did understand.   An application may be misbehaving."
[18:34] <steveire_> kmail seems to be asking me for my password too...
[18:37] <ScottK> steveire_: I've seen the kwallet thing too.  I think it's worth a bug.
[18:37]  * ScottK didnt' get around to filing it yet.
[18:37] <steveire_> Cannot load part for Mail. Cannot load library /usr/lib/kde4/kmailpart.so: (/usr/lib/libincidenceeditorsng.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN4KPIM22MultiplyingLineFactory16staticMetaObjectE)
[18:38] <steveire_> Possibly binary incompatibility becuase kontact 4.4 is trying to start itself for some reason while 4.6 is installing.
[18:40] <steveire_> mail migration seems to be working fine.
[18:41] <steveire_> Which is strange because I thought I was using disconnected imap...
[18:43] <steveire_> Can we somehow get kde 4.6.2 packages into experimental?
[18:43] <steveire_> Or is that a lot of work?
[18:43]  * steveire_ knows zip about packaging
[18:45] <yofel> steveire_: there is nothing to package yet, and they're going into natty anyway
[18:46] <steveire_> So I need to self build to test the fixes...
[18:46] <steveire_> Kinda defeats my plan of testing the packages for a few days
[18:47] <yofel> well, release is on the 5th as I see, so not that far away
[18:47] <ScottK> afiestas: Is Bug #747572 something you could look into?
[18:49] <steveire_> "An application has crashed on your system (now or in the past)"
[18:49] <steveire_> In a plasma notification
[18:49] <steveire_> Not much info there...
[18:50] <yofel> steveire_: that's apport being happily uniformative, the crashes are in /var/crash/
[18:50] <ScottK> steveire_: Right click and ask show details.
[18:51] <apachelogger> yofel: actually that is kubuntu nofitication helper
[18:51] <apachelogger> there is something broken there
[18:51] <apachelogger> I have seen it not go away
[18:51] <ScottK> Oh, yes.  I have seen that too.
[18:51] <apachelogger> though there were no reports or apport didnt want to show me them reports
[18:51] <apachelogger> very odd
[18:51] <yofel> o.O
[18:52] <apachelogger> afiestas: did you actually get to work on the display config stuff ScottK talked about some months ago?
[18:52] <ScottK> apachelogger: He didn't.
[18:52] <apachelogger> it is a sadness
[18:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: make a gsoc project
[18:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: check your mail
[18:53] <apachelogger> do you not want to compute or are you drunk? :P
[18:54] <shadeslayer> ?
[18:55]  * yofel wonders why apachelogger is talking about himself..
[18:55] <steveire_> hmm, akonadi doesn't work because nepomuk isn't starting a storage service, possibly because of the bug I linked earlier
[18:55] <apachelogger> yofel: self-obsession
[18:55] <yofel> ^^
[18:55] <steveire_> I guess I'll resume tesing after the 5th
[18:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i emailed you the proposal i've submitted to melange, go check
[18:57] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: sweetie, when will you learn that I do not read
[18:57] <apachelogger> make it a movie and I'll watch it
[18:57] <apachelogger> make it a song and I'll listen to it
[18:57] <shadeslayer> *shrug*
[18:57] <apachelogger> but... no way in test driven development will I read
[18:57] <apachelogger> oh
[18:57] <apachelogger> actually
[18:57] <apachelogger> jovie to the rescue
[18:58] <apachelogger> why read when the computer can read it to you
[18:58] <apachelogger> hooray
[18:58] <shadeslayer> ->princessYawn()
[18:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: jovie is reading my text?
[18:58] <ScottK> shadeslayer: It's not you who does the princess yawn.
[18:58] <steveire_> wow, the akonadiconsole debugger is enabled by default?
[18:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: why wouldn it?
[18:58] <ScottK> apachelogger: You appear to have damaged your mentee.
[18:58] <shadeslayer> ScottK: i derive from apachelogger's class
[18:59] <ScottK> Some things are underivable.
[18:59] <steveire_> Or maybe I had an old config file around somewhere for that
[18:59] <afiestas> apachelogger: nope
[18:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: LOL ... jovie is fun
[18:59] <apachelogger> ehm
[18:59] <apachelogger> ScottK: there are worse things than princess yawns
[18:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you realize I am a singleton?
[18:59] <ScottK> apachelogger: That's true.
[18:59] <afiestas> I'm working on XRandR, I plan to return to that work when bluedevil 1.1 is released
[18:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so ScottK is very right when he says that some things are underivable
[19:00] <steveire_> akonadiconsole is much slower than it should be. Wonder what's causing that.
[19:01]  * apachelogger never noticed it being slow
[19:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: uh ... i quite jovie, it did not stop talking
[19:03] <apachelogger> yeah
[19:03] <apachelogger> it is like me on booze
[19:04] <shadeslayer> indeed
[19:04] <ScottK> or anytime ...
[19:05]  * apachelogger blinks
[19:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: heh ... i'm reading a book called Blinnk
[19:10] <shadeslayer> *Blink
[19:10] <shadeslayer> quite awesome ..
[19:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_89gI2F6zUA
[19:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no bandwidth
[19:13] <apachelogger> you are no fun anymore
[19:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: dude i'm tethered to my phone .. only 200 megs of free data left :P
[19:14] <apachelogger> :O
[19:28] <shadeslayer> yeah
[19:46] <dantti_> someone knows why the notification are does not show "moving" "coping"  (ie the title of the transaction) in 4.6.1 or is just me?
[20:16] <blueyed> Is kdebase-bin meant to ship /etc/X11/Xsession.d/80ubuntu-xmodmap ? "dpkg -S" says it's coming from it, but cannot find it in the source package?!
[20:19] <ScottK> blueyed: Did you mean http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?mode=exactfilename&suite=lucid&section=all&arch=any&searchon=contents&keywords=80kubuntu-xmodmap
[20:51] <blueyed> ScottK: no, without the k. Found this bug about it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/251247 - apparently another case of a non-cleaned up config file.
[20:51] <blueyed> I am trying to figure out why gdm fails to start gnome-session, when not in safe mode.
[21:05] <debfx> blueyed: indeed, kdebase-bin should delete 80ubuntu-xmodmap
[21:22] <blueyed> debfx: can you take care of it, otherwise I will file a bug for it.
[21:22] <blueyed> It was not the reason of Gnome failing, but an old ~/.gnomerc file.
[21:25] <debfx> blueyed: so there is no harm in having it around?
[21:27] <blueyed> no, just an entry in .xsession-errors.
[21:35] <blueyed> any idea why the system-settings style does not stick/apply to Qt apps running in Gnome? Preview looks good, but the actual windows do not: http://i.imgur.com/RPvhs.png
[21:58] <littlegirl> Hey there, are there any Kate developers in this channel right now?
[21:58] <maco> i think they have their own channel
[21:58] <littlegirl> Yeah, no developers are active in there right now so I was hoping to find one in here. (:
[21:58] <maco> ahh
[21:58] <maco> #kde-devel possibly?
[21:59] <littlegirl> I'll check, thanks. (:
[21:59] <maco> afaik, none of us are kate people. we have a phononian, an aroran, a gwenviewer...
[21:59] <littlegirl> I could try waving my magic wand and turning you into Kate developers. (:
[22:02] <sabdfl> ooh
[22:02] <sabdfl> i need a wand like that :-)
[22:02] <littlegirl> It's not working. (:
[22:03] <sabdfl> mine neither ;-)
[22:03] <littlegirl> (:
[23:45] <blueyed> jfi: qtconfig fixed it for me.