[00:14] <FernandoMiguel> FOR THE LULZ https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=671510
[00:16] <Daekdroom> FernandoMiguel, I think whoever filed that bug is missing something important,.
[00:17] <FernandoMiguel> Daekdroom: such as?
[00:17] <Daekdroom> There's no way gcalctool can tell where the denominator ends.
[00:18] <Daekdroom> So it presumes it's only one number, instead of all the set of operations after /
[00:33] <kanliot> alt+printscreen+k is supposed to close x, but i think a bug in my ATI drivers causes it to lock up my pc.  is this a bug, where do I file on launchpad?
[00:36] <jbicha> kanliot: I think you could run ubuntu-bug and report a display problem
[00:37] <Daekdroom> kanliot, don't you have to press CRTL too?
[00:37] <kanliot> ubuntu bug needs a package, um,  i guess i can figure out what package i'm using
[00:37] <kanliot> hehe  good try i'm not testing it :)
[00:37] <kanliot> you try it first :)
[00:38] <Daekdroom> Turns out you don't.
[00:38] <Daekdroom> I thought that because Alt + PrntScreen is a shortcut for a PrintScreen, you'd need Crtl too, but I just tested it and it works with only Alt + PrintScreen + k
[00:39] <Daekdroom> And I'm using the radeon driver. So it might be Catalyst indeed.
[00:41] <glosoli> zzecool: you here
[00:41] <glosoli>  ?
[00:47] <andrewaclt> Can somebody explain "/usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Sector 48 is already in use by FlexNet; avoiding it." ?
 I've never had any
[00:57] <lcc>       kernel panics with 11.10.
[00:57] <zzecool> glosoli: yes
[00:58] <glosoli> andrewaclt: I am not sure, just try it
[00:58] <glosoli> zzecool: go sleep :D
[00:58] <zzecool> glosoli: i will soon
[00:58] <zzecool> :D
[00:59] <zzecool> i was trying to import the old ios 3 db to my iphone with ios5
[00:59] <glosoli> zzecool: Are you having laptop ?
[00:59] <zzecool> i made it after all :D
[00:59] <glosoli> zzecool: I wana ask if you got DIM problems
[00:59] <zzecool> yes
[00:59] <zzecool> i have
[00:59] <zzecool> but i have the solution
[00:59] <zzecool> let me go wc
[01:00] <zzecool> ill tell you
[01:00] <zzecool> brb
[01:00] <glosoli> zzecool: Try running it on battery set brightness to lowest, then don't do anything for about 30 seconds, it should do dim screen, then move mouse cursor and boom
[01:04] <bilal> Anyone else having WiFi troubles? When I'm on a WPA-PSK network, my WiFi gets blocked every half an hour or so. Very random, no set duration, and I get a "group rekeying" message on syslog right before WiFi gets blocked. Sandy Bridge i7, iwlagn driver, precise
[01:04] <bilal> By "blocked" I mean, I don't get disconnected from the network, but all network access shuts off. The browser, and all network accessing programs time out
[01:05] <bilal> I need to run a sudo killall wpa_supplicant to fix the issue.
[01:05] <zzecool> im always on wpa and dont have any problem
[01:05] <bilal> I think it has something to do with the driver
[01:05] <zzecool> glosoli: first of all
[01:06] <zzecool> i have a sony vaio and the brightness doesnt work out of the box
[01:06] <bilal> since I don't have this problem on Oneiric, and on my Precise I've cleaned all NM settings, and have even tried ConnMan
[01:06] <glosoli> zzecool: aaa sony ass
[01:06] <zzecool> im using a tool
[01:07] <zzecool> called smartdimmer
[01:07] <zzecool> im using it with a script
[01:07] <glosoli> zzecool: what's that tool for ?
[01:07] <zzecool> dimming on nvidia vgas
[01:08] <zzecool> http://www.toforge.com/2011/02/sony-vaio-brightness-control-script-for-ubuntu-geforce-cards/
[01:09] <glosoli> Doh
[01:09] <zzecool> brightness are the only function keys that doesnt work out of the box
[01:09] <zzecool> in this sony
[01:09] <zzecool> thank god
[01:09] <zzecool> all the other working fine
[01:11] <zzecool> as i thought  libgpod4  is broken for ios5
[01:11] <zzecool> i cant sync music
[01:11] <zzecool> .......
[01:12] <glosoli> can't help laughing
[01:13] <glosoli> :/
[01:15] <zzecool> lol
[01:19] <zzecool> starting price was 778 euros i think or 768
[01:19] <zzecool> i dont remember exactly
[01:19] <zzecool> i paid 238
[01:19] <zzecool> oups
[01:19] <zzecool> wrong channel :D glosoli
[01:20] <hoshi411> how can I change the color scheme ? im running ubuntu 12 and xchat and nautilus are blinding me.  i believe xchat can do it but .... how about nautilus?
[01:20] <hoshi411> im on unity by the way
[01:23] <zzecool> hoshi411: you need themes
[01:23] <hoshi411> so i was able to change the colors for inside the chat window but .... how about the rest?
[01:23] <zzecool> and gnome-tweak
[01:23] <hoshi411> zzecool: themes for unity?
[01:23] <hoshi411> for ubuntu 12?
[01:23] <zzecool> themes for GTK
[01:23] <blocky_> if I want to install the beta on a fresh windows system is it better to install 11.10 and upgrade or install from the beta iso directly?
[01:23] <zzecool> beta iso
[01:24] <zzecool> glosoli: tons of updates today
[01:24] <zzecool> :D
[01:24] <zzecool> im downloading 69 more
[01:25] <glosoli> zzecool: yeeee :/
[01:26] <zzecool> hoshi411: the tool for the themes called  :  gnome-tweak-tool
[01:26] <zzecool> hoshi411: after you install it open the dash and type advanced   , its the one called advanced settings
[01:26] <zzecool> good luck
[01:27] <zzecool> its work both for unity and gnome shell
[01:31] <trism> bilal: this debian bug seems to have the same sort of issues you are seeing, the last post from yesterday indicates a fix may show up in the upstream kernel soon: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=651199
[01:31] <zuti> hmm... pulseaudio -k shouldn't probably kill gnome-shell? :)
[01:32] <bilal> trism: Thanks for pointing it out, you beat me at googling :) I had been searching for bug reports on this for a long time, but never found that one!
[01:34] <hoshi411> zzecool: thanks, i imagine that only gtk3 engines are going to work with the tweak tool correct?
[01:34] <zzecool> i think it support gkt2 too
[01:35] <zzecool> im not sure tho
[01:35] <zzecool> maybe im wrong
[01:35] <Daekdroom> It handles both as long as the GTK2 and GTK3 themes are together.
[01:35] <hoshi411> hmm ... not showing up , the ones that I installed... for example nodoka
[01:35] <hoshi411> my favorite is nodoka-midnight
[01:36] <zzecool> ahh
[01:36] <zzecool> i think oi have a solution for you then
[01:36] <zzecool> wait
[01:36] <zzecool> hoshi411: :)
[01:36] <hoshi411> :D
[01:37] <hoshi411> as long as i don't have to do anything dirty
[01:37] <hoshi411> im uncomfortable with "the grey area"
[01:38] <eruditehermit> does anyone here use gnome-shell and know why the battery meter is not updating?
[01:40] <zzecool> hoshi411: i cant find it now
[01:41] <hoshi411> zzecool, its cool
[01:41] <hoshi411> : )
[01:41] <hoshi411> thanks for trying though
[01:41] <zzecool> found it
[01:41] <zzecool> :D
[01:41] <zzecool> wait
[01:42] <trism> bilal: after a bit more searching, it seems that specific patch is already included in 3.2.0-18.28 to fix bug 911059, but it seems some people are still having problems: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/948235
[01:43] <zzecool> hoshi411: sudo apt-add-repository ppa:satyajit-happy/themes
[01:44] <zzecool> hoshi411: then open synaptic refresh and add the 3 themes  that you will find in this ppa
[01:44] <andrewaclt> To install grub, is it sufficient to simply grub-install /dev/hda or do I have to do anything special after wiping my MBR
[01:44] <zzecool> there is an elementary dark that looks very close to your theme
[01:44] <zzecool> :d
[01:51] <Fyodorovna> andrewaclt, what is the problem overall?
[01:51] <andrewaclt> I install ubuntu to a windows pc (completely overwriting windows), but I get this error "/usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Sector 48 is already in use by FlexNet; avoiding it.  This software may cause boot or other problems in future.". I was going to dd over the mbr and reinstall grub to fix?
[01:52] <andrewaclt> That error is when I just apt-upgrade and it tried to install grub, not in the installer
[01:52] <Fyodorovna> andrewaclt, flexnet is a problem, I thought grub had been adjusted, you might ask on the ubuntu forums.
[01:53] <Fyodorovna> andrewaclt, you just have ubuntu now?
[01:53] <andrewaclt> But, if I just dd over the mbr, Flexnet will be gone, yes?
[01:53] <andrewaclt> Yeah, just ubuntu, no windows
[01:53] <Fyodorovna> andrewaclt, yeah dd it. :)
[01:54] <andrewaclt> I just wanted to make sure that the correct step after dding was "sudo grub-install /dev/hda" and I didn't have to pass some ubuntu specific configuration stuff
[01:54] <Fyodorovna> andrewaclt, you have grub 2 right its sda
[01:55] <andrewaclt> Yeah
[01:55] <andrewaclt> Well, I'm not sure it's sda. fstab looks funny these days, with UUIDs heh
[01:55] <Fyodorovna> andrewaclt, you know the dd is just lessm that 512 right
[01:55] <Fyodorovna> less than
[01:56] <zzecool> andrewaclt: more ppl having this kind of problem
[01:56] <zzecool> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1605076.html
[01:57] <andrewaclt> Fyodorovna, good call
[01:57] <andrewaclt> I just want 446 and not the full 512
[01:57] <andrewaclt> right?
[01:57] <Fyodorovna> zzecool, the grub maintainer colin I think the name is was working on this a while back I surprised anyone has a problem.
[01:58] <andrewaclt> It seems like there is a safer way that I could tell grub to overwrite everything
[01:58] <Fyodorovna> andrewaclt, not sure exactly I just know if you go the full 512 it breaks the partition table.
[01:58] <andrewaclt> Fyodorovna, Yes, that's my understanding, so we can't have that
[01:59] <Fyodorovna> not a good thing. :)
[02:02] <hoshi411> zzecool, thanks, installing now
[02:04] <zzecool> np
[02:08] <pdkl> hows unity in 12.04?   majorly improved?
[02:08] <Daekdroom> Yes.
[02:08] <Daekdroom> Much snappier.
[02:09] <Tronic> I guess I'll have to give that a try.
[02:09] <Tronic> KUbuntu has been quite horrible so far.
[02:09] <pdkl> was wondering the same
[02:09] <pdkl> im on kde 4.8 in archlinux
[02:09] <pdkl> i just dont likegnome shell
[02:10] <Tronic> I like both Gnome Shell and Unity on concept level but both of them need much more work.
[02:10] <Tronic> If the good ideas of both were combined, I'd be very happy already :)
[02:11] <Tronic> + a little bit more room for configuration, e.g. allow one to disable screen blanking.
[02:13] <pdkl> well i need something different
[02:15] <jbicha> Tronic: screen blanking?
[02:16] <Tronic> jbicha: Turns off your display after one hour.
[02:17] <jbicha> Tronic: have you looked at gnome-control-center screen ?
[02:18] <Tronic> jbicha: The last time I did, the maximum was one hour and the "Never" option from Gnome 2 was missing.
[02:18] <jbicha> Tronic: Never is there
[02:19] <Daekdroom> It is there indeed
[02:19] <Tronic> Kubuntu has that same problem, actually. The default (if checkbox not selected) is about 10 minutes and the maximum value permitted is 360 minutes.
[02:20] <Tronic> jbicha: Okay, I guess it has been fixed at some point.
[02:20] <jbicha> Tronic: you could also play with dconf-editor and look in org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power but I think Ubuntu has patched System Settings which is easier
[02:21] <pdkl> 12.04 beta 1 is the latest and greatest?
[02:21] <Tronic> Just checked on my laptop (with Unity) and yes, the setting is there. I found it missing with Gnome Shell but that I cannot test right now.
[02:23] <arand> pdkl: There is only one version of Precise - the current one.
[02:30] <pdkl> burning it :P
[02:31] <Dr_willis_> there are the daily build iso's  i recall.. but those can be flakey at times.
[02:31] <pdkl> wonder how much of a performance hit im going to take switching to ubuntu
[02:31] <Dr_willis_> depends on  the details pdkl
[02:43] <ricky-1> I'm currently logged into ubuntu-12.04-beta1-desktop-amd64 on my desktop but there's no visible mouse; I can still click things (like the top-right icons.) I experienced the same thing after I did an "ubuntu-12.04-beta1-alternative-amd64" install; there was no visible mouse while trying to log in or even while logged in: I had to rely on the "Click Ctrl to highlight cursor position." The system said it was up to date. Right now I'm
[02:43] <ricky-1> at the very first screen with "Try Ubuntu" and "Install Ubuntu" tl;dr: no /visible/ mouse. What gives?
[02:49] <Tronic> ricky-1: Which GPU & drivers do you have?
[02:52] <ricky-1> Tronic, I have an ATI HD5850, running with free/standard (?) drivers. Whichever drivers support that card by default
[02:52] <ricky-1> I haven't installed any GPU drivers
[02:53] <ricky-1> Someone suggested I stop X and "set it up myself" so far I've `sudo service lightdm stop`'d and am logged in via console
[02:53] <ricky-1> Not sure what to do next; that was next on my to-google list
[02:53] <ricky-1> rather, they suggested I not rely on hotplugging and set it manually*
[02:54] <ricky-1> Would that help? I mean, the system knows the mouse is there. It's just not visible
[03:02] <quantumlemur> hey guys, ever since I updated to 12.04, my machine has been hanging on the shutdown animation about half the time.  The other half, it shuts down fine with no problems.  Are there any known instances of that, or any troubleshooting / evidence gathering tips?
[03:06] <quantumlemur> also, internet searches seem to point to acpi being the most common culprit, and that disabling part of it can sometimes fix it.  But I like the benefits of acpi...  if I don't find a solution (or don't like the solution), do I need to worry about it if I just have to do a hard shutdown half the time?
[03:16] <scriptwarlock> quantumlemur, could that be a network interface errors? check your log files for any errors
[03:23] <quantumlemur> scriptwarlock, hmm, I can't find anything, but then again I'm not totally sure where to look in the logs, or what to look for
[03:24] <PhotoJim> "Could not install the upgrades" - Error during commit.  Couldn't configure pre-depend libtinfo5 for libncurses5, probably a dependency cycle.  <- got that error trying to install 12.04 beta. ideas?
[03:25] <scriptwarlock> quantumlemur, /var/log//syslog?
[03:26] <quantumlemur> scriptwarlock, that's where I focused my efforts, but didn't find anything obvious.  Is there a tag where a shutdown is initiated?  I searched for HALT and SHUTDOWN and whatnot.
[03:27] <scriptwarlock> quantumlemur, have you tried somewhere on acpi boot options?
[03:29] <scriptwarlock> quantumlemur, something like acpi=off kernel param? actually never done this on newer ubuntus
[03:29] <scriptwarlock> quantumlemur, my machine is bahaving normally
[03:30] <quantumlemur> scriptwarlock, I haven't tried the acpi options yet.  I'll try those in a bit and report back... any other suggestions in the mean time?
[03:32] <North> Hello? I wanna do the remote control from other desktop. could you tell me how to set. I am running 12.04LTS beta.
[03:33] <North> can anyone help me?
[03:33] <Dmole> is there a way to show the "full path" of the current view in the file browser?
[03:33] <Dmole> North: what do you need?
[03:33] <North> I wanna do the remote control from other desktop. could you tell me how to set?
[03:34] <scriptwarlock> quantumlemur, verbose mode on shutdown i guess can let you see the text stuff
[03:34] <Dmole> North: ssh or vnc/etc
[03:34] <quantumlemur> scriptwarlock, oh, yeah, that could be helpful, thanks
[03:34] <scriptwarlock> North, enable the remote desktop
[03:35] <North> Dmole: it might seem I need the detailed instruction.
[03:35] <North> scriptwarlock: how can I set it?
[03:35] <Dmole> North just type "remote" into the search bar
[03:35] <scriptwarlock> North, open desktop sharing
[03:36] <Dmole> North: (in "dash home")
[03:37] <North> i have been using 8.04LTS. I an not familiar with this 12.04LTS beta.
[03:37] <North> i feel tough a little bit.
[03:37] <scriptwarlock> North, check box: allow other users and allow other users to control, if thats your own machine untick must confirm, require paswd, and check auto configure upnp
[03:39] <North> scriptwarlock:  I did set it as your saying. Now I wanna try to remote from other desktop that has Windows OS. Any comment?
[03:39] <scriptwarlock> North, wth you never told us your working on a windows machine
[03:39] <North> I cannot use the remote desktop connection on the Windows OS PC.
[03:40] <North> scriptwarlock: do I need to install the VNC viewer again?
[03:40] <scriptwarlock> North, you can use vnc for windows
[03:41] <North> scriptwarlock: OK let me try
[03:41] <Dmole> North: I like NX but it's not simple to setup
[03:41] <North> Dmole: :)
[03:42] <scriptwarlock> North, you are on your own when configuring windows remote, i'm done with m$
[03:42] <Dmole> North:  youtube is your friend (I did not preview this) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwCQeNXr7Eg
[03:43] <Dmole> we are all  M$ H8ers around here
[03:43] <scriptwarlock> not actually never hate but dont like using my time for it
[03:45] <North> Dmole: Are you serious?
[03:45] <Dmole> semantics :)
[03:46] <Dmole> North: serious about what?
[03:47] <Dmole> North: haha the link was temvewer yah don't do that, but I'm sure you can find something
[03:48] <scriptwarlock> was using teamviewer and its quit simple no more configs on router
[03:48] <Dmole> I think  there are 4 ish options for direct connect NX VNC freeNX thatother one
[03:48] <North> Dmole: you said we are all  M$ H8ers around here.
[03:49] <North> thanks to you, I succeded
[03:50] <Dmole> North: using any OS without a unaversal API (the CLI) and the closed nature is just not worth any effort
[03:51] <Dmole> OSX is nice though
[03:53] <North> Dmole: I understand what you said from the view of computer user.
[03:54] <North> Dmole: on the other hand , User needs the professional technical support like M$ has been doing.
[03:57] <scriptwarlock> North, we have free support from the community and paid from canonical(enterprise?)
[03:57] <North> scriptwarlock: oh really?
[03:58] <North> scriptwarlock: another question, how can I put the terminal on  the launch button panel?
[03:59] <scriptwarlock> North, obviously what we are doing now is a free support, right?
[03:59] <ricky-1> right click it I believe
[03:59] <ricky-1> North,
[03:59] <Dmole> North:and then there is redhat THE "professional" OS M$ can't hold a a candle to that star
[03:59] <scriptwarlock> North, you using unity?
[04:00] <North> scriptwarlock: sorry  I do not know what unity is .
[04:01] <Dmole> North: yes run it the right click on the icon and "lock to launcher"
[04:01] <scriptwarlock> North, your in ubuntu+1 irc supposed your using 12.04
[04:01] <ricky-1> Previously (ie: in 10.10), I could execute `sudo service gdm stop` to stop GUI and drop into a terminal. That doesn't seem to work now. What is the proper way to drop out of fancy X and GUI-land now?
[04:02] <scriptwarlock> ricky-1, you mean ctrl+alt+f1?
[04:02] <ricky-1> that too, but what if I need to stop X
[04:02] <jbicha> ricky-1: substitute lightdm for gdm
[04:02] <ricky-1> jbicha, ah, thanks
[04:06] <Dmole> ah! to get a path from nautilus drag the folder into terminal
[04:06] <North> scriptwarlock: yes, I am using 12.04
[04:07] <scriptwarlock> North, have you done what Dmole suggested?
[04:08] <North> scriptwarlock: yes ihave done.
[04:09] <North> A lot of crash reports poped up. it annoies me
[04:09] <scriptwarlock> North, yeah what is beta
[04:10] <DanaG> How odd... i connected my android device to my pulseaudio server, and the audio was silent until the very instant i connected to vnc.
[04:10] <DanaG> Connected over bluetooth, that is.   Server as sink.
[04:10] <Dmole> North: did you "apt-get update;apt-get -y dist-upgrade;"?
[04:11] <DanaG> Server is on Precise.
[04:11] <North> Dmole:  I will do  it now.
[04:12] <Dmole> DanaG: pulse only starts with a userlogin by default
[04:12] <North> scriptwarlock: if I minimize the certain window, how can i know that a window is opened?
[04:12] <DanaG> I tweaked it two ways: system daemon, and lightdm autologin.
[04:13] <North> what is the super key? when maximizing the window, it requires super + Up?
[04:14] <Dmole> North: the "windows"
[04:14] <Dmole> key
[04:14] <Dmole> or mac
[04:14] <scriptwarlock> North, i set my unity panel icons backlight>active icons on
[04:14] <North> it's lunch time.  I will be back to you soon.
[04:15] <scriptwarlock> pressing down the super key displays the keyboard shortcuts
[04:15] <DanaG_> Argh, need to switch to laptop.
[04:16] <ricky-1> What would the proper way to get my fresh 12.04 install up-to-date using CLI apt-get be? Simply `apt-get update`, then `apt-get upgrade`?
[04:16] <ricky-1> last time i used the GUI it crashed halfway through
[04:17] <Dmole> "apt-get update;apt-get -y dist-upgrade;"
[04:17] <scriptwarlock> ricky-1, update manager can handle the update that requires admin password
[04:18] <ricky-1> scriptwarlock, I got a segfault halfway through, after reboot it said something about partial upgrade so I let it, then i dont remember... but things werent looking up
[04:19] <Dmole> if it fails again just reinstall (it only takes a minute
[04:20] <scriptwarlock> ricky-1, ah yes sometimes i bumped with that msg terminal can save the day :)
[04:22] <ricky-1> hashsum mismatch T_T
[04:22] <Dmole> which repo?
[04:24] <ricky-1> precise/main? libreoffice-draw and libemempi. ran upgrade again and it didnt complain...
[04:44] <North> Dmole: it's strange the windows key works on Ubuntu.
[04:45] <North> scriptwarlock: how did you set unity panel icons bakclight.active icons?
[04:47] <scriptwarlock> North, install myunity
[04:49] <North1> ScriptRipper, using apt-get?
[04:49] <scriptwarlock> North, ?
[04:49] <North1> yes
[04:50] <North1> it's me
[04:50] <scriptwarlock> North, yep apt-get install or thru usc
[05:01] <ricky-1> Can someone help me figure out why my mouse is simply invisible? It works, I can move it and click stuff; I just can't see it. I have to use the "Pressing Ctrl highlights cursor position" option in settings.
[05:03] <scriptwarlock> ricky-1, is that a ps2 or usb mouse
[05:03] <ricky-1> both
[05:03] <ricky-1> I can use either
[05:03] <DanaG> heh, I love how the update-checking window resizes spastically.
[05:04] <DanaG> ... to fit the strings inside it.
[05:04] <scriptwarlock> ricky-1, and mouse is generic?
[05:04] <ricky-1> scriptwarlock, yea
[05:05] <ricky-1> I'm going to try installing proprietary GPU drivers
[05:05] <ricky-1> /shrug
[05:09] <scriptwarlock> ricky-1, check if you have hwcursor on your xorg.conf
[05:11] <ricky-1> scriptwarlock, I don't know where xorg.conf is located any more
[05:11] <scriptwarlock> ricky-1, yaiks i forgot
[05:13] <micahg> it's been deprecated since karmic I believe
[05:13] <micahg> at least having a default one has been
[05:16] <DanaG> oh yeah, so my server isn't completely headless... it has a sucky ASPEED remote access card... that sometimes can't be remote-accessed.
[05:16] <DanaG> But anyway, that "local" interface automatically logs in as me, and then locks.
[05:17] <scriptwarlock> ricky-1, you mentioned gpu have you installed yet?
[05:20] <ricky-1> ati hd 5850
[05:20] <ricky-1> @scriptwarlock
[05:20] <ricky-1> first attempt failed
[05:21] <erappleman> hi, how do i get 32-bit binaries working with wine on 64-bit?
[05:21] <erappleman> ia32-libs is still broken
[05:21] <scriptwarlock> ricky-1, ubuntu 12.04 right?
[05:22] <DanaG> hmm, is fglrx known to be working at this point?  I'd be surprised if so.
[05:22] <DanaG> Considering their usual lag.
[05:24] <scriptwarlock> ricky-1, been here? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[05:26] <DanaG> interesting... it's using llvmpipe.
[05:27] <ricky-1> scriptwarlock, Yes, 12.04 b1. I haven't been there. I will look in a second. I'm /assuming/ the "(post release)" ati driver is what crashed jockey-gtk; after I re-ran it, the non "post release" driver seemed to activate just fine
[05:27] <ricky-1> oh hey
[05:27] <ricky-1> theres a mouse
[05:30] <ricky-1> What is the difference between the ATI/AMD proprietary FGLRX graphics driver and the ATI/AMD proprietary FGLRX graphics driver ?
[05:32] <scriptwarlock> ricky-1, best answer driver and the ATI/AMD proprietary FGLRX graphics driver ?
[05:32] <ricky-1> oops
[05:32] <ricky-1> i meant
[05:32] <ricky-1> ATI/AMD proprietary FGLRX graphics driver  and  ATI/AMD proprietary FGLRX graphics driver (post-release updates_
[05:32] <ricky-1> my bad
[05:33] <scriptwarlock> ricky-1, http://askubuntu.com/a/66711
[05:33] <scriptwarlock> ricky-1, best answer
[05:33] <ricky-1> ah
[05:33] <ricky-1> thanks
[05:36] <scriptwarlock> brb
[05:54] <snadge> i dont know.. but the latest fglrx.. is broken
[05:54] <snadge> amd needs to be administered with fatal beatings
[06:00] <snadge> oh interesting.. so the solution to unity not working with the latest fglrx
[06:00] <snadge> is to use the older fglrx
[06:00] <snadge> even though it has known issues which were resolved with the later fglrx
[06:01] <snadge> well done
[06:27] <scientes> does ubuntu use fdisk to make msdos lables?
[06:28] <scientes> or is it all GNU parted?
[06:34] <scriptwarlock> scientes, gparted?
[06:37] <scientes> gparted is unlikely, but parted (which gparted is a front end for) is likely
[07:52] <Ch_Iossif> Hi to all! RAID boot problem on 12.04b1 - more: http://paste.ubuntu.com/871230/ - Any ideas?
[08:17] <mongo> what package does the indicator-brightness role now? I have no brightness slider but xbacklight works as does the /sys files
[08:22] <tokarbol> Where should I ask about the logon screen in Precise?
[08:23] <tokarbol> Namely, I need to be able to add keyboard layouts in some GUI... and I need to ask is that possible?
[08:23] <tokarbol> Anybody on this channel knows this?
[08:23] <mongo> I don't have an answer but lightdm is the package you are talking about
[08:26] <tokarbol> isn't it some kind of 'greeter' over lightdm?
[08:26] <mongo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/915468
[08:27] <mongo> theres the bug
[08:27] <tokarbol> I was just in the middle of the bug report list
[08:27] <tokarbol> thanks
[08:28] <mongo> It is working for me but I only have two keyboards
[08:28] <tokarbol> hm... actually this one is that it does not respect some config file
[08:29] <mongo> oh, do you not even have the selector?
[08:29] <tokarbol> do you know if there is a logon-screen GUI where you can set the layout to any arbitrary?
[08:29] <tokarbol> is there one?
[08:29] <mongo> you can with the current one but you need to install the keyboards
[08:29] <tokarbol> I can click "en", but it's just en
[08:29] <tokarbol> which keyboards?
[08:29] <tokarbol> a package?
[08:30] <mongo> go the "gear" in the upper right hand corner and go to "system settings'
[08:30] <mongo> click on keyboard layout and you will see where you can add more
[08:31] <tokarbol> ok, I can add keyboards there
[08:31] <tokarbol> but that's only after I log in
[08:31] <tokarbol> there's no gear on the logon screen
[08:31] <mongo> they will be there when you log out too
[08:31] <mongo> after you add them that is
[08:32] <tokarbol> I added "Bambara" keyboard, but the logon screen shows me just pl
[08:32] <tokarbol> actually, I believe I have english locales installed as well, but there's no "en" keyboard
[08:33] <tokarbol> yeah, it seems that the user keyboard list has no correlation to the logon screen
[08:33] <mongo> odd, I just added bambra and logged out and it was there
[08:34] <tokarbol> (I guess that's the bug for...)
[08:34] <tokarbol> but that's too late, I mean, I need to be able to provide more keyboards to the user who has never logged in
[08:34] <tokarbol> you know, OEM
[08:35] <mongo> it is offering it for me, here let me reboot and make sure
[08:35] <tokarbol> maybe I am using a different menu?
[08:36] <tokarbol> ok, I can see I have an update to lightdm package available
[08:36] <tokarbol> will try that
[08:39] <mongo> I think you would have to preseed the languages you wanted to have
[08:42] <tokarbol> well... I upgraded, but I cannot see the languages on the logon screen
[08:42] <tokarbol> are the preseed values in the templates of lightdm?
[08:44] <mongo> yes I am not sure where, I only have to deal with a few languages per location
[08:47] <tokarbol> but still that's asomething you preseed, right?
[08:48] <KI7MT> Quesiton, can we add the system monitor to the top bar in Unity?
[08:48] <tokarbol> the seed is not in lightdm
[09:02] <jokerdino> my eyes are burning
[09:02] <jokerdino> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/947748
[09:02] <jokerdino> how do i temporarily fix this bug?
[09:02] <jokerdino> suggest an appropriate workaround
[09:07] <mongo> jokerdino: install xbacklight, it will let you set the level
[09:11] <mongo> jokerdino: i went back to xubuntu :) that worked too
[09:11] <tokarbol> Any idea how I can add languages to the unity-greeter screen?
[09:11] <tokarbol> (no user-specific)
[09:16] <jokerdino> lol thanks for the suggestion mongo
[09:17] <jokerdino> tokarbol: you want to change the language of the login screne?
[09:18] <tokarbol> yes, but I want to have more than one
[09:19] <jokerdino> oh i see.
[09:20] <jokerdino> i am not aware of any ways to do that
[09:20] <tokarbol> so why the drop-down menu at all? or is it planned?
[09:20] <jokerdino> i think the dropdown is for the input characters
[09:22] <jokerdino> http://askubuntu.com/questions/92297/how-do-i-set-the-login-manager-to-enable-change-languages-at-login
[09:23] <jokerdino> tokarbol:  may be that is of any relevance to you.
[09:25] <tokarbol> I think this only applies to the GTK greeter
[09:25] <tokarbol> but thanks for the tip
[09:26] <tokarbol> I tried this for unity-greeter, it triggered no change
[09:26] <jokerdino> well, tough luck then
[09:26] <tokarbol> it is
[10:02] <jhoechtl365> Hello, I haunting a bug, anybody using Kubuntu 12.4 OR kde 4.8?
[10:04] <valdur55> jhoechtl365, use #kde channel.
[10:08] <jhoechtl365> valudr55: Will do, thanks
[10:41] <edgars> hi my laptop was on suspend and after wakeup i could see only the pointer
[10:42] <edgars> so i tried ctrl+alt+f2 logged in and tried to run firefox
[10:43] <edgars> gave an error no display given so i added DISPLAY:0 no dice
[10:45] <valdur55> DISPLAY=:0 ?
[10:45] <valdur55> edgars, what version, what video card, what driver ....
[10:45] <valdur55> do you use
[10:49] <edgars> video card is intel 2000 i think
[10:50] <edgars> o and it worked perfectly other times its just this one time
[10:54] <valdur55> But what ubuntu version you use?
[10:54] <edgars> 12.04
[10:54] <edgars> beta
[10:54] <glosoli> what's up with beta ?
[10:55] <edgars> glosoli , what do you mean with that?
[10:56] <glosoli> edgars: just seen your message "12.04 beta" ;D
[10:56] <edgars> glosoli, wakeup from suspend just pointer visible cant do anything
[10:57] <edgars> glosoli , happened just once
[10:58] <glosoli> jmm
[11:01] <glosoli> edgars: Is your processor led blinking on laptop or computer ?
[11:01] <glosoli> I mean was it blinking
[11:06] <edgars> glosoli, cant remember but i could do ctrl+alt+f2 and login from terminal
[11:08] <edgars> glosoli, and i tried to run firefox but it said no display specified  so i tried adding DISPLAY:0 still didnt work so i did a hard shutdown
[11:09] <AnAnt> Hello, I tried to upgrade from Lucid 10.04.4 to Precise beta, but it failed, saying that it cannot compute upgrade path. I was told that it wouldn't work indeed until precise is released as stable. Isn't there a way around this ? Otherwise, how will the case of upgrading Lucid to Precise will be tested before release ?
[11:26] <edgars> I cant see terminal when i alt+tab
[11:28] <cosmic_> libpulse-simple.so.0: cannot open shared object file
[11:28] <cosmic_> help !
[11:29] <jack> sounds like your pulseaudio is broken
[11:29] <jack> dpkg -S the file
[11:30] <cosmic_>  jack  ???
[11:30] <jack> apt-get reinstall the packagename you get
[11:30] <cosmic_> error while loading shared libraries: libpulse-simple.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:31] <jack> dpkg -S libpulse-simple.so.0
[11:31] <cosmic_> ok
[11:31] <jack> if that gives 0 results
[11:31] <jack> the app is broken
[11:31] <cosmic_> cosmic@cosmic-desktop:~/Downloads/Metagolf$ dpkg -S libpulse-simple.so.0
[11:31] <cosmic_> libpulse0: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpulse-simple.so.0
[11:31] <cosmic_> libpulse0: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpulse-simple.so.0.0.3
[11:32] <cosmic_> ok ?
[11:32] <jack> cool
[11:32] <cosmic_> :)
[11:32] <jack> apt-get reinstall libpulse0
[11:32] <jack> should fix things
[11:33] <cosmic_> cosmic@cosmic-desktop:~/Downloads/Metagolf$ apt-get reinstall libpulse0
[11:33] <cosmic_> E: Invalid operation reinstall
[11:33] <cosmic_> :(
[11:33] <jack> hrm
[11:33] <jack> dpkg -r libpulse0; apt-get install libpulse0
[11:33] <jack> might need a sudo
[11:34] <cosmic_> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
[11:34] <cosmic_> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[11:35] <cosmic_> cosmic@cosmic-desktop:~$ sudo dpkg -r libpulse0; apt-get install libpulse0
[11:35] <cosmic_> dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of libpulse0:
[11:35] <cosmic_>  kde-runtime depends on libpulse0 (>= 1:0.99.1).
[11:35] <cosmic_>  pulseaudio-module-bluetooth depends on libpulse0 (>= 1:1.1-0ubuntu11).
[11:35] <cosmic_>  pulseaudio depends on libpulse0 (>= 1:1.1-0ubuntu11).
[11:35] <cosmic_>  gnome-shell depends on libpulse0 (>= 1:0.99.1).
[11:35] <cosmic_>  speech-dispatcher depends on libpulse0 (>= 1:0.99.1).
[11:35] <cosmic_>  xbmc-bin depends on libpulse0 (>= 1:1.0).
[11:35] <cosmic_>  libgmlib0 depends on libpulse0 (>= 1:0.99.1).
[11:35] <cosmic_>  cinnamon depends on libpulse0 (>= 1:0.99.1).
[11:35] <cosmic_>  openjdk-7-jre depends on libpulse0 (>= 1:0.99.1).
[11:35] <cosmic_>  pulseaudio-esound-compat depends on libpulse0 (>= 1:1.1-0ubuntu11).
[11:35] <cosmic_>  gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio depends on libpulse0 (>= 1:1.0).
[11:35] <cosmic_>  libgmtk0 depends on libpulse0 (>= 1:0.99.1).
[11:35] <cosmic_>  openjdk-6-jre depends on libpulse0 (>= 1:0.99.1).
[11:35] <cosmic_>  libphonon4 depends on libpulse0 (>= 1:0.99.1).
[11:35] <crizzy> pastebin
[11:35] <crizzy> ..................
[11:35] <cosmic_>  vlc-plugin-pulse depends on libpulse0 (>= 1:1.0).
[11:35] <cosmic_>  libcanberra-pulse depends on libpulse0 (>= 1:0.99.1).
[11:35] <cosmic_>  audacious-plugins depends on libpulse0 (>= 1:0.99.1); however:
[11:35] <cosmic_>   Package libpulse0 is to be removed.
[11:35] <cosmic_>  indicator-sound depends on libpulse0 (>= 1:0.99.1).
[11:35] <cosmic_>  gnome-control-center depends on libpulse0 (>= 1:0.99.1).
[11:35] <cosmic_>  libpulsedsp depends on libpulse0 (>= 1:1.1-0ubuntu11).
[11:35] <crizzy> USE PASTEBIN THANKYOU
[11:35] <cosmic_>  libasound2-plugins depends on libpulse0 (>= 1:0.99.1).
[11:35] <cosmic_>  libespeak1 depends on libpulse0 (>= 1:0.99.1).
[11:35] <cosmic_>  libfluidsynth1 depends on libpulse0 (>= 1:0.99.1).
[11:35] <cosmic_>  libpulse-mainloop-glib0 depends on libpulse0 (>= 1:1.1-0ubuntu11).
[11:36] <cosmic_>  pulseaudio-module-gconf depends on libpulse0 (>= 1:1.1-0ubuntu11).
[11:36] <cosmic_>  libpulse-dev depends on libpulse0 (= 1:1.1-0ubuntu11).
[11:36] <cosmic_>  libxine1-misc-plugins depends on libpulse0 (>= 1:0.99.1).
[11:36] <cosmic_>  gnome-settings-daemon depends on libpulse0 (>= 1:0.99.1).
[11:36] <cosmic_>  libsdl1.2debian depends on libpulse0 (>= 1:0.99.1).
[11:36] <cosmic_>  pulseaudio-utils depends on libpulse0 (>= 1:1.1-0ubuntu11).
[11:36] <cosmic_>  pulseaudio-module-x11 depends on libpulse0 (>= 1:1.1-0ubuntu11).
[11:36] <cosmic_>  empathy depends on libpulse0 (>= 1:0.99.1).
[11:36] <cosmic_>  mplayer2 depends on libpulse0 (>= 1:0.99.1); however:
[11:36] <cosmic_>   Package libpulse0 is to be removed.
[11:36] <crizzy> where's floodbot when you need it
[11:36] <cosmic_> dpkg: error proces
[11:36] <cosmic_> ops
[11:36] <cosmic_> :(
[11:36] <cosmic_> ok
[11:36] <head_victim> !pastebin
[11:36] <head_victim> :D
[11:37] <glosoli> head_victim: you was faster ;D
[11:37] <cosmic_> !pastebin
[11:38] <edgars> cosmic_ sudo apt-get install --reinstall libpulse0
[11:38] <cosmic_> ok
[11:39] <valdur55> head_victim, use !pastebin | username on next time ;)
[11:39] <head_victim> valdur55: yeah I realised just after I hit enter :/
[11:42] <tokarbol> hey, mongo, I found why I could not see the keyboards for my user
[11:43] <tokarbol> a couple of days ago I put "greeter-hide-users=true" to lightdm.conf
[11:43] <tokarbol> because this shows me the "Other" user selection, which otherwise is not shown
[11:44] <tokarbol> when I commented this out and click a user, I actually get selection of user keyboards
[11:44] <tokarbol> Is there a way to retain the "Other" user selection while having multiple users?
[11:45] <tokarbol> Reading this:
[11:45] <tokarbol> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-greeter/+bug/915390
[11:45] <tokarbol> I get the impression that a long list was removed on purpose,
[11:46] <tokarbol> but for a user that has no keyboard selected, it might be better to list a long one instead of just one... or let him run a chooser or something
[12:03] <candtalan> Hi there. Am looking for novice help about the dash. And lens(es).
[12:23] <AnAnt> how do I change the unity-greeter sound theme ?
[12:28] <brendand> AnAnt, easy
[12:28] <brendand> AnAnt, select Startup Applications from the sessions menu
[12:29] <AnAnt> what sessions menu ?
[12:29] <brendand> AnAnt, in the top right hand corner
[12:29] <brendand> AnAnt, where Shutdown is
[12:29] <AnAnt> is that after login ?
[12:30] <brendand> AnAnt, don't make this difficult :)
[12:30] <AnAnt> I don't see a sessions menu in unity-greeter
[12:30] <brendand> AnAnt, i assume you're using the system in question right now?
[12:31] <brendand> AnAnt, the sound isn't played by lightdm
[12:31] <brendand> AnAnt, you are talking about the login sound right?
[12:31] <AnAnt> no, I am talking about sound played when unity-greeter is started
[12:32] <brendand> the one that sounds like a bounce?
[12:32] <AnAnt> to me it sounds like a drum actually
[12:32] <brendand> AnAnt, yeah
[12:34] <brendand> ok, that one's probably harder
[12:34] <AnAnt> so ?
[12:37] <glosoli> Anyone uses Deja-Dup
[12:37] <glosoli>  ?
[12:38] <scriptwarlock> yo
[12:39] <glosoli> I am interested to know how the backup works, I mean if I delete some folder form my home dir I am ReBackuping, would it remove it from backup too
[12:40] <jack> man duplicity
[12:40] <scriptwarlock> glosoli, make a test folder and try to backup and delete see what happens
[12:44] <glosoli> I know that, just asked firstly maybe someone already knows
[12:44] <candtalan> I press superkey. I see the dash, with focus on the house.  how to get focus on files?
[12:45] <glosoli> you can't as far as I know
[12:46] <brendand> AnAnt, you need to make an ogg file and replace /usr/share/sounds/ubuntu/stereo/dialog-question.ogg with it
[12:46] <brendand> then restart
[12:50] <candtalan>  for lens testing, how to explain http://popey.com/blog/2012/03/06/improved-unity-files-lens-call-for-testing/  shows files focus?
[12:52] <popey> candtalan: I dont understand the question
[13:03] <candtalan> I press " [super] + F" and I don't see what  you seem to, with the dash focus on files. Have i misunderstood?
[13:05] <popey> candtalan: it certainly should do. super+A = applications, super+F = files
[13:05] <candtalan> ah, thanks, I trust  it is not case sensitive?
[13:09] <popey> well, you dont need shift held candtalan
[13:09] <popey> just press super and the f key
[13:09] <candtalan> ok thx I will  register a bug
[13:22] <scriptwarlock> heh back up tools takes time to upload..
[13:27] <AnAnt> brendand: is /usr/share/sounds/ubuntu/stereo/dialog-question.ogg hardcoded in lightdm / unity-greeter ?
[13:28] <AnAnt> brendand: I mean doesn't it take dialog-question from the sound theme I use
[13:51] <pdkl> hi, i like to disable unity on one monitor , any suggestions?
[13:51] <pdkl> i use the monitor as a vmware machine / rdp / workbench
[13:52] <scriptwarlock> pdkl, using nvidia?
[13:52] <pdkl> yeah, got twin view on too
[13:53] <scriptwarlock> go to nvidia settings and disable the second monitor
[13:55] <pdkl> i stil want to drag windows to it :P
[13:56] <pdkl> brb
[14:04] <Rabenklaue> hi, I've a problem with installing wine on precise: http://codepad.org/AfLP3k0L Does anyone have any hint how to solve the dependency issue?
[14:04] <Rabenklaue> I've read here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1936014&highlight=wine+precise that it "should" work now on precise, but for me it still has the dependency mismatch thing.
[14:07] <scriptwarlock> Rabenklaue, you using 64bit ubuntu?
[14:07] <Rabenklaue> scriptwarlock: Yes, I'm using 64bit Ubuntu
[14:08] <Rabenklaue> KUbuntu respectively
[14:08] <scriptwarlock> Rabenklaue, installing wine via apt-get?
[14:09] <Rabenklaue> scriptwarlock: Yes, without any ppa's added
[14:09] <Rabenklaue> http://codepad.org/AfLP3k0L
[14:11] <brendand> AnAnt, I have no idea what a sound theme is
[14:18] <scriptwarlock> Rabenklaue, you tried wine1.4rc6?
[14:22] <Rabenklaue> scriptwarlock: http://codepad.org/dmctozmp Candidate: 1.4~rc6-0ubuntu1
[14:27] <scriptwarlock> Rabenklaue, wine is working here but its 32 not 64
[14:29] <croffe> Hello. Pangolin install goes to grub rescue for me after install due to FakeRaid setup, and I have not been able to boot it, but this worked on 11.10.  Any tips on troubleshooting? I've seen some posts on dmraid, but no go fixing it yet. I'm missing Ubuntu on my desktop already :(
[14:50] <ph8> hi all, I want to do something crazy, like start joining my linux servers and/or desktops to our windows domain - what's the best way to do that these days? I found articles on centrify but i can't find the package in Precise?
[14:53] <scriptwarlock> ph8, samba?
[14:53] <Ian_> indeed, samba
[14:53] <Ian_> but iirc, it's better to join you windows pcs to a linux network
[14:53] <Ian_> :p
[14:53] <Ian_> it's what we do/did at uni
[14:54] <ph8> ha
[14:54] <ph8> samba looks complicated?
[14:54] <ph8> hence i looked at centrify and one more...
[14:55] <Etherael> So oneiric has been utterly screwed for the past month or so and I got sick of it and decided to try pangolin, after the install it looks like the ubuntu installer silently overwrote the bootblock of my secondary hard disk that contained a truecrypt lock. Wow... that's really amazingly incompetent.
[14:55] <ph8> Likewise-open5
[14:56] <Ian_> Etherael: you should be more careful, it's your incompetence that broke it too.
[14:56] <Etherael> Ian_: True, I did not imagine that it would actually install grub to both disks right over the top of an existing MBR without so much as a warning, when the disk I asked it to install to is completely different from the disk with the truecrypt bootblock.
[14:57] <Etherael> I guess i underestimated just how badly things are getting with ubuntu.
[14:57] <ph8> so the question really scriptwarlock appears to be, Centrify or Likewise open?
[14:59] <scriptwarlock> ph8, well are comfortable with centrify?
[15:02] <Ian_Corne> Etherael: well, i doubt it installed in but, but rather on your first disk or something, with the other one already having grub, which was updated?
[15:02] <Ian_Corne> now, all this doesn't matter, is there any way to restore?
[15:02] <Ian_Corne> and did you file a bug report?
[15:03] <Etherael> Ian_Corne: I don't know if you would even consider it a bug? It didn't i nstall over the top of the truecrypt drive, it just nuked only the bootblock and replaced it with grub.
[15:04] <Etherael> Two drives, one which actually was the target drive, and was installed, and another drive that has a full disk encrypted OS on it that I didn't want touched.
[15:04] <Etherael> It installed to the one it was supposed to, but nuked *both* disk bootblocks and installed grub on them.
[15:04] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[15:04] <Ian_Corne> well that is a bug
[15:04] <Ian_Corne> why would it install grub twice..
[15:05] <Etherael> I have no idea.
[15:05] <Ian_Corne> I've done many installs on multi disk systems, never had it install on more than one disk
[15:05] <Ian_Corne> so you should file a bugreport
[15:05] <Etherael> it didn't install on more than one disk, the other disk is still there, it just installed grub on it's bootblock wiping out the truecrypt loader.
[15:05] <Etherael> which I think might effectively happen to be the same thing as nuking that entire disk.
[15:05] <Etherael> unfortunately for me.
[15:06] <Ian_Corne> so it installed grub on two disks while it shouldn't
[15:06] <scriptwarlock> Etherael, so it's supposed to install ubuntu on a single drive?
[15:06] <Ian_Corne> that's what you have to report.
[15:06] <Etherael> which it did, yes.
[15:06] <Etherael> it just installed grub on all disks attached to the system (two)
[15:07] <Etherael> where do I file bug reports?
[15:07] <Ian_Corne> launchpad
[15:08] <scriptwarlock> Etherael, that happened to me before then the next time i installed ubuntu to the second machine i dettach the second drive which has a lot of files..
[15:08] <Etherael> it may well be the entire drive is actually completely hosed.
[15:08] <Etherael> the one it wasn't supposed to touch.
[15:08] <Etherael> I am trying to mount the partitions via truecrypt now, no luck.
[15:09] <scriptwarlock> Etherael, awtz that hurts
[15:10] <Etherael> Not entirely, partition was mostly just for gaming, I only even noticed it was nuked because pangolin is an even bigger fail than oneiric.
[15:10] <Etherael> I got so sick of it it drove me back to windows.
[15:10] <Etherael> Hey, what do you know, that got nuked too.
[15:11] <nelhage> Just upgraded to Precise. Apparently, suspend no longer locks my screen, I think because I have autologin enabled. Is there some secret setting I can kick to revert this behavior?
[15:11] <scriptwarlock> Etherael, that means ubuntu combined the 2drives to one without prompting you
[15:12] <Etherael> Script I don't think so, it's not mounting those partitions
[15:12] <Etherael> well, at least I hope not.
[15:12] <Etherael> nope, it's not.
[15:12] <Etherael> they're the same size they used to be, just the bootblock is gone, so effectively they're gone too, since the bootblock is the key that unlocks them.
[15:13] <scriptwarlock> Etherael, have hope to recover
[15:13] <Etherael> I don't think I could be bothered trying to find that truecrypt recovery iso, who knows where it is by now, and it's only games, they can be reinstalled.
[15:13] <Etherael> I don't keep any kind of critical data in windows.
[15:14] <scriptwarlock> Etherael, have you reported the incident?
[15:14] <Etherael> Nope, first I want to see if this drive really is definitively gone forever.
[15:15] <scriptwarlock> Etherael, hard lesson to learn eh... be very watchful next time
[15:16] <Etherael> There's no way I'm ever going to expect an OS to nuke a bootblock on a drive it was told not to touch, that's not careful, it's just stupidity on the part of that OS.
[15:16] <Etherael> The lesson to learn is, don't use this.
[15:16] <Etherael> Lesson learned.
[15:17] <scriptwarlock> Etherael, if you can report this to the devs things might change
[15:18] <Etherael> I don't think so anymore, I have spent about a month just trying deseperately to get oneiric to a usable state, it was after getting thoroughly sick of that I finally cracked and decided to give pangolin a shot, as far as I can see the entire edifice of what ubuntu was is just crumbling into uselessness.
[15:18] <Etherael> and this is definitely the last straw.
[15:22] <ior3k> Etherael: would you mind reporting that though? It may be some unusual combination of hardware that's causing this--if you report it, maybe the next person with a similar combination won't get their second hard drive hosed
[15:22] <Etherael> Yeah.
[15:26] <Sidewinder1> Etherael, I most certainly understand how you feel; I've lost data before as well. The two things that I note, always have a back-up if it's irreplaceable data and be especially careful using OSs that haven't been officially released (fixed). But please do file the bug report as ior3k and scriptwarlock suggested.
[15:26] <Etherael> Like I said, it's not irreplaceable data, it's just a bunch of games, I'm just stunned that something so blatantly bad was ever allowed to happen.
[15:27] <Etherael> I dread to imagine what will end up happening when someone does actually lose some critical data because of this or an issue similar to this.
[15:28] <tarvid> I am having a number  of hardware recognition issues on this laptop an Acer 7763Z-4088. Any reason not to try the 12.04 beta?
[15:31] <scriptwarlock> tarvid, what issues could that be?
[15:31] <tarvid> screen and monitor detection, suspend
[15:32] <scriptwarlock> tarvid, we never know until you plug the live usb stick of ubuntu 12.04
[15:33] <brendand> Etherael, what makes you so sure another OS/distro wouldn't have done the same thing?
[15:34] <croffe> Hello. Pangolin install goes to grub rescue for me after install due to FakeRaid setup, and I have not been able to boot it, but this worked on 11.10.  Any tips on troubleshooting? I've seen some posts on dmraid, but no go fixing it yet. I'm missing Ubuntu on my desktop already :(
[15:35] <Sidewinder1> Etherael, I'm in no way doubting your veracity, and it is a VERY serious error, but I'm more than a little curious as to why no one else has experienced this; at least not to the best of my knowledge.
[15:37] <Sidewinder1> Etherael, I know it's a bad time but did you do anything out of the ordinary with the install? And was it a fresh inst. or did you use the upgrade tool oneric--->precise?
[15:37] <Etherael> brendand: Because it would be utterly retarded? The only reason I can think of to actually design this in is because you don't ever want to be in a situation where the drive that is booting does not have a bootblock that boots the OS your user jus tinstalled, and you figure hey whats the worst that could happen, it will just nuke a windows bootblock but grub can boot that os anyway so no worries.
[15:37] <Etherael> Sidewinder1: Upgrade.
[15:38] <Etherael> I've decided to try find my truecrypt rescue disk, reinstalling all those games will probably take longer than that.
[15:38] <Sidewinder1> Etherael, Perhaps that's part of it? Still totally unacceptable.
[15:39] <scriptwarlock> Sidewinder1, i did that before but i never reported the matter because of my carelessness. and now he has the guts to voice out :)
[15:39] <Sidewinder1> Ian_Corne, Yes, but, I'd certainly be a little miffed, in his shoes. :-)
[15:40] <brendand> Etherael, who says it's designed in?
[15:40] <Etherael> Difference between a bug and a feature.
[15:41] <Etherael> if it's not designed in and it was just accidental, that doesn't really make it any better.
[15:41] <brendand> Etherael, i would suggest you describe your scenario to the guys on #ubuntu-installer. they'll tell you if it was intentional or a bug
[15:42] <Sidewinder1> scriptwarlock, Well, I'm an LTS guy; I upgraded (as opposed to fresh, which is generally recommended) from Hardy to Lucid with only very minor issues. The fact that PP hasn't been released is need for quite a bit more caution, IMHO.
[15:43] <tarvid> any easy way to upgrade from 11.10 to 12.04 beta directly?
[15:43] <scriptwarlock> tarvid, update-manager -d
[15:44] <scriptwarlock> Sidewinder1, true
[15:44] <jack> i'd edit sources.list and apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:45] <Daekdroom> That is a good way to break your system.
[15:47] <tarvid> thanks, I have a decent connection for a few days asnd this laptop is a good place to test
[15:48] <scriptwarlock> tarvid, you sure you wanna do that? were still using beta1
[15:48] <tarvid> of course not
[15:49] <edgy> Hi, I heard good things about electricsheep but I don't know  how to make it my screensaver and how to choose one sheep
[15:49] <tarvid> but I'd prefer to have some input at beta than after the release
[15:51] <edgy> e.g: http://v2d7c.sheepserver.net/cgi/dead.cgi?id=12485
[16:00] <brendand> Etherael, http://pzolee.blogs.balabit.com/2010/07/grub2-and-truecrypt-windows-linux-dual-boot-system/
[16:02] <scriptwarlock> edgy, be aware that you are in ubuntu+1 support, you have any concerns?
[16:02] <edgy> scriptwarlock: yes, I think it's a bug in ubuntu+1 because I read that it should work by default one launched
[16:04] <Etherael> brendand: I'm not sure why you're linking that to me?
[16:05] <bazhang> !find gnome-documents
[16:05] <bazhang> !info gnome-documents
[16:07] <edgy> scriptwarlock: electricsheep doesn't even show in kde screensavers
[16:16] <edgy> I also have an nvidia card and plugged an external monitor to my laptop but it's not recognized
[16:17] <scriptwarlock> edgy, installed nvidia settings?
[16:17] <edgy> scriptwarlock: yes
[16:17] <edgy> scriptwarlock: then what?
[16:17] <scriptwarlock> edgy, mine is working properly what nvidia vc you have?
[16:18] <edgy> scriptwarlock: gtx 560M
[16:19] <scriptwarlock> edgy, enabled the twinview?
[16:20] <edgy> scriptwarlock: no, I don't know how to do that, I used to just plug a monitor in my previous laptop with intel card and I get a pop-up
[16:21] <scriptwarlock> edgy, take a look at your nvidia settings you can find the twinview option if you plugin the second monitor
[16:22] <edgy> scriptwarlock: ok I got it and now the external monitor works but it displays a different screen
[16:23] <edgy> scriptwarlock: ok got it now, I need to choose clone
[16:23] <edgy> scriptwarlock: that is very difficult ;)
[16:23] <scriptwarlock> edgy, :)
[16:24] <edgy> scriptwarlock: seriously, is this the way people do multiple monitors with nvidia?
[16:24] <scriptwarlock> edgy, dunno
[16:24] <edgy> scriptwarlock: for you?
[16:25] <scriptwarlock> edgy, nope
[16:25] <edgy> scriptwarlock: sorry you tried nvidia before?
[16:26] <scriptwarlock> edgy, yes using it now
[16:26] <edgy> scriptwarlock: and when you plug the external monitor you got a pop-up or you need to manually launch nvidia-settings and set it from there?
[16:28] <scriptwarlock> edgy, when i'm using a laptop and wants to connect to the projector its auto
[16:28] <edgy> scriptwarlock: so you just plug the project and viola you got your screen in the projector?
[16:29] <scriptwarlock> edgy, on pc this is only once you configure and save and lifetiime you have dual monitor enabled
[16:30] <edgy> scriptwarlock: I have a laptop and it's not working as you say, is this a bug?
[16:30] <scriptwarlock> edgy, yes with the laptop and i seldom use the fn+f3
[16:30] <scriptwarlock> edgy, with ubuntu 12.04?
[16:30] <edgy> scriptwarlock: yes
[16:31] <scriptwarlock> edgy, i think not all laptops has the same as mine this is just a cheap intel laptop
[16:31] <scriptwarlock> edgy, same behaviour
[16:32] <edgy> scriptwarlock: ok I will try to live with it
[16:32] <edgy> thanks for your care
[16:32] <scriptwarlock> edgy, can be a bug when fn+f... wont respond
[16:33] <edgy> scriptwarlock: on next reboot I will test this fn+f3, actually I forgot to try it
[16:53] <pdkl> installation bug, when install manually,   and your /home is xfs, it doesnt install xfsprogs && xfsdump by default so when it boots it complains about check disk error.
[17:01] <ScG^Dedicated> anyone here that could help me with a problem that I have in AppArmor in Ubuntu 12.04?
[17:17] <bladimirsq> hi there
[17:17] <bladimirsq> hi im just trying Ubuntu 12.04 beta.... i got a problem with internet connetion.... DHCP assignation its ok incluiding defaut gateway address in the network information are ok buttt i cant reach an answer when i ping the default gateway or any address no internet any ideas???
[17:19] <pdkl> ip addr | grep inet
[17:19] <pdkl> test to see if you can ping yourself.
[17:20] <ScG^Dedicated> in 12.04 I added a Firefox profile in AppArmor (completely default I only created it) and now my Firefox does not load anymore. Anyone that could help me with that? :)
[17:23] <bladimirsq> i can ping myself and any machines in my local network i mean plugged in the same switch
[17:25] <tarvid> bladimirsq, check your default route. Do you more than one interface?
[17:26] <bladimirsq> i guess can be a problem with default gatway address maybe the iptables or routing tables Idk
[17:26] <tarvid> if you have more than one avahi does not always make the best choice
[17:27] <bladimirsq> noo its just one interface
[17:29] <tarvid> have you tried to ping the net hop?
[17:30] <tarvid> next
[17:31] <tarvid> easy to have two e.g. wireless and Ethernet
[17:32] <bladimirsq> no i just have ethernet
[17:35] <bladimirsq> ill get a wireless modem to try if the problem is just with the ethernet interface... anyway im completly sure there is a problem with 12.04 becouse 11.10 works porperty
[17:35] <tarvid> what is the gateway when you type route
[17:36] <bladimirsq> ill download wireshark to follow the ping command
[17:36] <tarvid> it is not the interface if you \can access the local lan
[17:37] <tarvid> I am just upgrading to the beta from 11.10
[17:37] <bladimirsq> yeah but maybe its a problem whit iptables or something
[17:37] <bladimirsq> ahhh ok ill try the upgrade
[17:38] <bladimirsq> thanks tarvid
[17:58] <alkisg> Hi, did the wheel of the mouse break in some recent update, or is it a local problem of mine?
[17:59] <alkisg> I.e. wheel works for middle click, but not for scrolling
[18:07] <jbwiv__> can someone point me to instructions for getting three monitors working under 12.04? I have two nvidia cards and three monitors. Not sure if I need to configure xinerama...if so, I did try one of my old xinerama configs and while I can get three monitors showing in Ubuntu 2D, they're all mirrors. anyway, I need to understand the appopriate method of configuration here. thank you very much in advance...
[18:12] <jbwiv__> is there a documentation wiki for 12.04?
[18:13] <ScG^Dedicated> jbwiv: I am pretty noobisch still with linux in general but I would suppose it would not differ that much from how to do it in 11.10
[18:16] <aamir> where should i post crash report, of unity + compiz for 12.01?
[18:17] <jbwiv__> ScG^Dedicated: it didn't work in 11.10. supposedly 12.04 brings better multi-monitor support
[18:18] <coz_> hey guys.. I am getting no options for setting up a printer ,, in this case a kodak thermal printer dock
[18:19] <ScG^Dedicated> jbwiv I cannot help you more then to link you this: http://www.google.nl/search?q=ubuntu+12.04+multi+monitor+support&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:nl:official&client=firefox-a
[18:23] <tarvid> package gconf2 3.2.3-3ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 127
[18:23] <tarvid> anything I should do?
[18:42] <jbwiv__> can someone point me to instructions for getting three monitors working under 12.04? I have two nvidia cards and three monitors. Not sure if I need to configure xinerama...if so, I did try one of my old xinerama configs and while I can get three monitors showing in Ubuntu 2D, they're all mirrors. anyway, I need to understand the appopriate method of configuration here. thank you very much in advance...
[18:51] <DrHalan> hey guys.. why isn't empathy updated? it still on 3.3.5
[18:54] <blackbug> anyone here??
[18:54] <trism> blackbug: yes
[18:54] <tarvid> suspend with lid close now works
[18:54] <Daekdroom> 255 and you.
[18:54] <trism> !info libgtk-3-dev | blackbug
[18:55] <brobostigon> !info empathy unstable
[18:57] <blackbug> trism + ubottu: I just updated apt repository and now its recognizing libgtk-3-dev..weird. its installing you, i will update in mins.
[18:58] <trism> blackbug: it seems you will also need libglib2.0-dev and libcanberra-gtk3-dev
[19:06] <lukescharf> Does Precise include Gnome 3.3?  Or is it still Gnome 3.2?
[19:09] <blackbug> trism: i installed libcanberra-gtk3-dev as per your suggestion, and it worked..thanks.. although libcanberra-gtk-dev was installed previously but somehow didn't worked. thanks for helping out.
[19:09] <trism> blackbug: good to hear
[19:11] <trism> lukescharf: we have bits and pieces of 3.3.90 (which I guess is 3.4), still missing gnome-shell and a few others, but that should be coming bug 941755
[19:12] <lukescharf> Is the plan to track 3.40 as it isreleased?
[19:15] <trism> lukescharf: I don't have any more information besides what I can see in the repos and what is in that bug report (and the linked clutter bug it depends on) sorry
[19:16] <SpamapS> Ugh, what happened to ctrl-alt-(left|right|up|down) for workspace switching?
[19:17]  * SpamapS refers to the handy new keyboard shortcut thingy and sees that it is now, for some reason, super-shift-cursor
[19:17] <SpamapS> which is annoying because it makes all kinds of things happen before I switch. :-P
[19:17] <MadEchidna> hello folks
[19:18] <MadEchidna> so I installed the beta last night, and ran all the updates. Now, when I try to launch a program from the dash, clicking the icon does nothing
[19:18] <MadEchidna> is there something I can do to reset unity?
[19:18] <blackbug> i want to debug a core file, but i cannot see it inspite the application crashes with segmentation fault(core dumped) msg. i already checked my ulimit, and its set to unlimited. what could be a reason for this?
[19:32] <eitch> hi guys, does anyone know if locking the screen is broken in precise?
[19:32] <itaylor57> eitch, it is for me
[19:33] <eitch> itaylor57, it is broken for you?
[19:33] <itaylor57> yes
[19:34] <eitch> damm... quite an important feature for me...
[19:34] <itaylor57> i will try agin and see if i still have the problem
[19:34] <lukescharf> trism: Many thanks!  I ran the Oneiric beta, and I'm trying to decide when to upgrade to the Precise beta, and Gnome improvements are something I'm looking for.  Many thanks for the info!
[19:34] <itaylor57> it will cause me to reboot
[19:34] <ScG^Dedicated> how do you lock the screen anyway xD
[19:35] <eitch> itaylor57, on my machine nothing happens. Not if i press ctrl+alt+l or select the action in the system menu
[19:35] <itaylor57> nope it is working for me now after the updates
[19:35] <eitch> ScG^Dedicated, ^^
[19:35] <ScG^Dedicated> :P
[19:36] <ScG^Dedicated> in precise the lock is working for me :)
[19:36] <ScG^Dedicated> just checked
[19:37] <eitch> ScG^Dedicated, ok, thanks.
[19:37] <ScG^Dedicated> eitch: you're welcome :)
[19:38] <eitch> Which package is screen lock, so that i can check if there is a bug report and then maybe report one?
[19:38] <ScG^Dedicated> eitch: I am sorry but that I do not know
[19:39] <eitch> ScG^Dedicated, ok, thanks
[19:46] <pdkl> im trying to get used to unity.
[19:46] <ScG^Dedicated> that's good :)
[19:46] <mongo> if it wasn't for the silly new alt-tab action unity/gnome shell would be fine but it is pretty inconsistant
[19:47] <pdkl> but having two monitors makes it a bit rough, i would perfer just one launchbar, not one per monitor
[19:47] <mongo> it is a lot more mouse driven though which is a bummer
[19:48] <mongo> is vswitch fairly well baked? I am debating replacing bridge-utils with it
[19:48] <pdkl> actually im finding im going to the mouse less often. there is keycombos to switch appilications.. aka <super>"windows key" - 1
[19:49] <mongo> pdkl: I often need to switch between three windows, two of which are the same application
[19:49] <mongo> alt-tab on all other GUI's post windows 3.1 has been LIFO, now I have to think about if it needs to be alt-tab or alt-~
[19:50] <pdkl> mongo, alt tab to the correct window
[19:50] <pdkl> keep holding alt, and arrow down
[19:50] <mongo> pdkl: that requires me to move my hand off home key row
[19:50] <mongo> so a massive step back IMHO
[19:51] <mongo> same as having to use a mouse
[19:51] <pdkl> use vim keys
[19:51] <pdkl> super - j /k
[19:51] <mongo> really I think i'll just help get kerb5 support into xfce
[19:51] <pdkl> i just did it
[19:51] <mongo> krb5 support is the main reason I don't use xfce at work
[19:51] <pdkl> super-j
[19:51] <pdkl> does it
[19:52] <mongo> pdkl: still more than alt tab tab
[19:52] <mongo> which is how every other UI does it
[19:52] <mongo> IMHO they should have made alt-~ the fancy non-power user keyset and left alt-tab the same
[19:52] <pdkl> i was offering how to do it now, now on how others do it
[19:53] <pdkl> hmm pause on alt key does  ittoo
[19:53] <mongo> pdkl: it is still a regresson, it requires thought vs. I want the window I was using n times ago
[19:54] <mongo> they could have put a pause to bring up the fancy window too, so an instant alt-tab-tab would work as before
[19:54] <mongo> gnome has just decided to move to where the money is, in touch centric UI's
[20:47] <NOSaturn> some of the drop menu's do not draw (r click and even the regular menu items too sometimes) until i mouse over them. how would i search to see if that's an existing bug?
[21:20] <soee> guys is it possible to install gimp 2.7.5 on precise ?
[21:23] <itaylor57> !info gimp
[22:03] <glosoli> Why is it that open source driver even simple things like opening nautilus and interaction with other programs does twice as faster as proprietary drivers ?
[22:03] <glosoli> for video  Imena
[22:04] <glosoli> I mean''
[22:19] <FernandoMiguel> evening
[22:33] <paulo_gomes> hi all, i'm on unity2d, when i press the desktop switcher, my dash doesn't hide anymore (i set it to auto hide). any tips?
[23:09] <wtfdoggie22> hey ... cannot find any gui-options for hibernation, yet sudo pm-hibernate seems to work properly
[23:09] <wtfdoggie22> should i open a bug  report?
[23:15] <wtfdoggie22> for a support channel, there is pretty little response :-D
[23:16] <trism> wtfdoggie22: see http://askubuntu.com/questions/94754/how-to-modify-policykit-to-allow-hibernation-in-upower and bug 812394
[23:19] <wtfdoggie22> ok thanks
[23:49] <KI7MT_> .


[21:52] <bdrung> bryce: hi, can you take care of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdvdnav/+bug/1094499/comments/28 ?
[21:55] <bryce> bdrung, um sure, in a little  bit
[22:06] <bdrung> bryce: thanks


[13:58] <Mez> hi all, attempting a bit of a strange setup here.  I've 4 monitors, spread across 2 gfx cards.  No matter what I do, I can't get all 4 working (with nvidia, it won't actually turn on the 4th monitor, and with AMD, it either clones the other display on that GFX card, or just displays the background).
[13:58] <Mez> This is using the open source drivers.  If I try any proprietary drivers, I don't get a GUI whatsoever.
[13:59] <Mez> I'm using the internal GFX (Intel based) with whatever additional cards I have around, none of them I seem to be able to get working.
[14:00] <Mez> I'm looking for something that's going to allow me to, in the simplest manner possible, run 4 monitors.
[14:00] <Mez> If that requires extra GFX cards/whatever, that's fine, I just want to find the simplest, most reliable solution
[14:00] <Mez> and I guess you guys would be the people to ask.
[15:10] <tseliot> Mez: there are graphics cards which would allow you to do that. Some AMD and NVIDIA cards have enough connectors and will let you drive 4 displays


[15:00] <sil2100> o/
[15:01]  * slangasek waves
[15:02] <Atomic_Aadn5> o/
[15:02] <xnox> \o
[15:02] <cyphermox> o/
[15:02] <Atomic_Aadn5> o/
[15:03] <Atomic_Aadn5> o/
[15:04] <infinity> \o/
[15:04] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[15:04] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Apr 20 15:04:14 2017 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:04] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[15:04] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[15:05] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e doko bdmurray slangasek infinity sil2100 cyphermox tdaitx xnox mwhudson rbalint)mwhudson infinity xnox slangasek rbalint sil2100 tdaitx bdmurray cyphermox doko
[15:05] <slangasek> mwhudson infinity xnox slangasek rbalint sil2100 tdaitx bdmurray cyphermox doko
[15:05] <xnox> doko wins.... but he is not here anyway
[15:05] <slangasek> infinity:
[15:06] <infinity> Preparing for archive opening:
[15:06] <infinity>  - dpkg merge, with lots of back and forth with guillem on buildflags and ABI detection
[15:06] <infinity>  - debhelper merge, with much discussion of transitional ddebs
[15:06] <infinity>  - base-files merge
[15:06] <infinity>  - nagging Mark (Artful Aardvark)
[15:06] <infinity> (done)
[15:07] <xnox> Prepared systemd SRU, and now verified remaining bugs
[15:07] <xnox> Provided cloud image support for onmetal
[15:07] <xnox> Currently debugging cloud-init not handling vlans on top of a bond well
[15:07] <xnox> s390x d-i bug reports triange (no criticals so far, need aa to start fixing them)
[15:07] <xnox> Uploaded SRU for open-vm-tools, to build VGAuth in main
[15:07] <xnox> Short week due to 2 bank holidays due to resurrection
[15:07] <xnox> infinity is not certain which weekend mark was going to take to read dictionary and announce the new code name.
[15:07] <xnox> ..
[15:07] <tdaitx> I'm late, sorry, please let me know when I should paste my status ;-)
[15:08] <cyphermox> tdaitx: after sil2100
[15:08] <sil2100> tdaitx: you're going after me ;)
[15:08] <tdaitx> cyphermox, sil2100 tks! =)
[15:09] <slangasek>  * happy release!
[15:09] <slangasek>  * processing SRUs
[15:09] <slangasek>  * subiquity image spins
[15:09] <slangasek>  * image minimization
[15:09] <slangasek> (done)
[15:09] <Atomic_Aadn5> i'll send email, can't type much on phone :-(
[15:10] <slangasek> ok
[15:10] <slangasek> sil2100:
[15:10] <sil2100> - Last week: helping out with the release + kernel SRUs
[15:10] <sil2100> - Was off Friday and Monday
[15:10] <sil2100> - SRU reviews
[15:10] <sil2100> - Assign bug tasks cleanup
[15:10] <sil2100> - Submitting fixes for the tarball cache modification to kernel-sru-review
[15:10] <sil2100> - ubuntu-image:
[15:10] <sil2100>   * Looking into the state of bugs
[15:10] <sil2100>   * Picking up the image manifest generation bug, preparing branch with fixes - PR incoming
[15:10] <sil2100>   * Started work on the i18n with flufl.i18n
[15:10] <sil2100> - Prepared and tested pre-tested walinuxagent 2.2.9 - waiting for cloud image testing help
[15:10] <sil2100> - Started work on the packaging for uvp-monitor, testing t-systems access
[15:10] <sil2100> - Looking into the future of Bileto
[15:10] <sil2100> (done)
[15:10] <tdaitx> Short week: out on Friday (holiday) and Monday (sick), so-so Tuesday (recovering)
[15:10] <tdaitx> = JCK
[15:10] <tdaitx>   * aggregatting results
[15:10] <tdaitx>   * preparing for certification
[15:10] <tdaitx>   * rebuild containers and retesting to make sure results are reproducible
[15:10] <tdaitx> = OpenJDK 8
[15:10] <tdaitx>   * updated package & applied security patches
[15:10] <tdaitx>   * 8u131 was out on Wednesday, while testing the sec upd
[15:10] <tdaitx>   * packaged 8u131 + aarch64 sync and went on to test
[15:10] <tdaitx> = Other
[15:10] <tdaitx>   * congrats on the release!
[15:10] <tdaitx> (done)
[15:11] <xnox> we have openjdk 9 in the archive too? is it released at all, or still in development?
[15:11] <tdaitx> xnox, not yet released, but it is in the archive
[15:11] <xnox> ah, nice.
[15:12] <slangasek> bdmurray is off today
[15:12] <slangasek> cyphermox:
[15:12] <cyphermox> - preparing the subiquity preview
[15:12] <cyphermox> - debugging grub2 installing fallback in --removable (it should not) (bug LP: #1684341)
[15:12] <cyphermox> - SRU for NetworkManager upgrade issues (missing netplan override)
[15:12] <cyphermox> - getting more info on shim installs on UEFI-but-not-quite-UEFI.
[15:12] <cyphermox> (done)
[15:14] <slangasek> and doko is also off today
[15:14] <slangasek> any questions?
[15:16] <slangasek> seems not :)
[15:17] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:17] <infinity> Yeah, why is doko off?  Did he break a hip?
[15:19] <xnox> infinity, i was guessing that he is somewhere in hymalyas breaking the hip?
[15:21] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[15:21] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Apr 20 15:21:00 2017 UTC.
[15:21] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-04-20-15.04.moin.txt
[15:21] <slangasek> thanks folks
[15:21] <tdaitx> thanks!


[04:38] <hikiko> hi
[07:08] <hikiko> hello
[07:08] <hikiko> (back)
[07:34] <andyrock> good morning all
[07:55] <Laney> morning!
[07:57] <pitti> hey Laney!
[07:58] <Laney> hey pitti
[07:58] <Laney> how are you?
[07:58] <pitti> Laney: quite fine, thanks! a bit tired, long soccer evenings :)
[07:58] <Laney> ohhh I heard a little bit about this
[07:58] <pitti> but had a nice and relaxing weekend
[07:58] <pitti> (other than Saturday night, of course)
[07:58] <pitti> Laney: how about yourself?
[07:59] <Laney> very good
[07:59] <Laney> just waiting for the first talk of debconf proper to start ;-)
[07:59] <pitti> yay
[07:59] <pitti> Laney: flight went okay?
[08:00] <didrocks> good morning Laney, pitti!
[08:00] <Laney> quite fine
[08:00] <Laney> I even managed to get a little bit of sleep
[08:00] <Laney> xnox managed to get himself delayed by a day though
[08:01] <Laney> we went up table mountain yesterday
[08:02] <Laney> the views & walking were great
[08:02] <pitti> nice
[08:02] <didrocks> sounds fun!
[08:02] <pitti> we tried last May when I was there, but it was so windy that nobody was allowed up there
[08:02] <pitti> bonjour didrocks ! ça va ?
[08:03] <didrocks> pitti: ça va ça va. Par contre, j'ai entendu des cris dehors en fin de journée par 4 fois, je me demandais s'il y avait le feu :-)
[08:03] <didrocks> </fin de mauvaise foi> ;)
[08:03] <didrocks> how are you?
[08:04] <pitti> didrocks: seulement une autre semaine, puis la folie termine :-)
[08:05]  * pitti te donne une accolade
[08:05] <pitti> didrocks: ici on se reveille avec les oiseaux, ils commencent changer à 4h..
[08:05] <pitti> "chanter"
[08:05]  * didrocks donne une accolade en retour à pitti :)
[08:06] <didrocks> pitti: oui, pareil ici, les oiseaux nous réveillent le matin, c'est toujours agréable :)
[08:06] <pitti> didrocks: boire une bière pour chaque "goal", c'était de travail dur hier soir :-)
[08:08] <didrocks> j'imagine ! pour cela que seb n'est toujours pas réveillé je pense :-)
[08:08] <pitti> haha
[08:17] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:17] <davidcalle> bregma: willcooke: hey hey, question: Do X on mir apps share the same X, or are they siloed? Can the X on Mir foo snap spy on other X apps? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8aAU_Eh_x0
[08:18] <willcooke> davidcalle, AIUI each legacy app would have it's own Xmir instance.
[08:20] <willcooke> davidcalle, I dont know how big an Xmir is, I guess a few hundred meg at least, so maybe that would change in the future - but then the security story would suck, so maybe not.  Anyway, bregma will know for sure
[08:21] <seb128> xmir is probably not that big
[08:21] <seb128> like xorg packages are few mbs
[08:21] <seb128> I would rather say in the 10-30M range for the xorg stack
[08:22] <willcooke> oh, nice.  In which case 1 xmir per app sounds reasonable
[08:22] <davidcalle> Oh, interesting
[08:26] <seb128> the xmir deb is less than 900k
[08:26] <seb128> but unsure if it brings depends in etc
[08:27] <seb128> so likely under the 10M number
[08:27] <seb128> in any case it's probably not tht much to copy
[08:27] <pitti> bonjour seb128 ! trop de bière hier soir ? :-)
[08:28] <seb128> pitti, salut ! un peu ;-) je suis en France cette semaine donc j'ai des horaires décalées
[08:31] <hikiko> seb128, ping :)
[08:32] <seb128> hey hikiko, how are you?
[08:32] <hikiko> good :) you?
[08:32] <seb128> good as well
[08:32] <seb128> thanks
[08:33] <hikiko> seb128, if you have a moment can you help me find out what I did wrong with my ppa (or create a new from scratch, whatever is faster)?
[08:33] <seb128> sure,what's the issue?
[08:33] <hikiko> here's what I did:
[08:33] <hikiko> well the issue is
[08:33] <hikiko> I apt-get update
[08:34] <hikiko> and there aren't any new packages there was only a compiz one although I pushed nux, compiz, unity
[08:34] <hikiko> and then I can't start u7
[08:35] <hikiko> (which is normal I guess)
[08:35] <hikiko> I suppose I've done something wrong with the versions
[08:36] <hikiko> https://ufuntu.wordpress.com/2016/06/10/creating-an-ubuntu-desktop-ppa/ here are the steps I followed to create the ppa
[08:36] <hikiko> https://launchpad.net/~hikiko/+archive/ubuntu/lowgfx
[08:36] <hikiko> and here's the ppa
[08:37] <hikiko> +I don't know how to push new changes to the ppa :)
[08:38] <seb128> the 3 packages are there
[08:38] <hikiko> yes
[08:38] <hikiko> but I had a vm
[08:38] <hikiko> and installed the ppa
[08:39] <hikiko> and then ran apt-get update/upgrade
[08:39] <hikiko> and only compiz updated
[08:39] <hikiko> not nux, compiz and unity as they should
[08:39] <seb128> you are sure you don't have unity?
[08:39] <seb128> can you do "dpkg -l | grep unity"?
[08:39] <hikiko> yes, give me a moment to start the vm
[08:42] <hikiko> ouch found a million packages :)
[08:42] <seb128> dpkg -l | grep "unity "
[08:42] <seb128> ?
[08:43] <hikiko> let me pastebin
[08:43] <hikiko> ah ok sec
[08:44] <hikiko> ii  unity                                      7.5.0+16.10.20160606.2-0ubuntu5                     amd64        Interface designed for efficiency of space and interaction.
[08:44] <seb128> so you have the ppa version
[08:45] <hikiko> yep :s
[08:45] <hikiko> so the problem is in the ppa?
[08:45] <seb128> seems so
[08:46] <seb128> try looking at your unity log
[08:46] <seb128> in .cache/upstart/unity7
[08:47] <seb128> need to go for a small erand, back in 10 min or so
[08:48] <hikiko> sure seb128, btw I don't see anything unusual there, thanks a lot! I'll investigate :)
[08:49] <ksamak> Trevinho: seen the <IP_ADDRESS> release, i'll get to work again on packaging for debian today!
[08:58] <hikiko> Trevinho, ping :)
[08:58] <hikiko> (we all want you for something today)
[09:00] <Trevinho> hikiko: hi
[09:00] <Trevinho> ksamak: cool
[09:03] <seb128> hey Trevinho
[09:03] <hikiko> Trevinho, I wanted to ask you if you agree to SRU compiz as it is without the lgfx option and put the current u7 branches (you review) to my ppa as they are (with the new MPs). I was thinking that this is the easiest since we are going to do the .profile solution afterwards, because we won't change anything to u7 and then I'll have to delete the 10 lines that set the settings in UnityScreen constructor and put them in the .profile
[09:03] <ksamak> Trevinho: so it's a <IP_ADDRESS> , not a <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[09:03] <seb128> Trevinho, how are you? sorry for the game :-/
[09:03] <hikiko> it seems to be the faster to me
[09:03] <ksamak> seb128: aaahhh... i lost
[09:03] <seb128> ksamak, ?
[09:04] <hikiko> by "we won't change anything to u7" I mean the trunk (official release) I'll only change the ppa
[09:05] <ksamak> seb128: http://losethegame.com/
[09:06] <seb128> hikiko, there is no error in the unity log? did you try to start ccsm to see if the unity plugin is activated?
[09:06] <hikiko> unityshell is not activated
[09:06] <hikiko> and there's no error
[09:06] <seb128> does it work if you try to activate it?
[09:08] <hikiko> it's weird it seems activated and I can't uncheck it
[09:09] <seb128> weird
[09:12] <seb128> hikiko, it's good optimization, it doesn't even display the ui anymore ;-)
[09:13] <hikiko> lol
[09:13] <hikiko> well if I select in advanced automatic plugin sorting I am able to check and uncheck the unityshell
[09:13] <hikiko> progress
[09:13] <hikiko> (but still makes no difference)
[09:17] <Trevinho> seb128: hey... I'm ok.. Well, it was sad. I mean, we never felt (as a nation) so connected with this national team which for the first time was considered nothing and actually played well. We could have continued the game for days without getting one more goal. Germany won just because of luck at the end. But it has been a nice jurney.
[09:17] <Trevinho> hikiko: as for the profile thing, I've already prepared one. I want now to fix the unity7.conf upstart job and I think we can go with that
[09:19] <hikiko> so Trevinho what do you suggest? that we use the proper solution directly in the trunk?
[09:19] <seb128> Trevinho, right, though Germany deserved to win, they score one goal and you have free-penalty-gift
[09:19] <Trevinho> Yes, we can't release to SRU something without it hitting trunk before
[09:19] <hikiko> (I have no objections if we can do that quickly)
[09:20] <hikiko> Trevinho, also, will I be able to modify the lowgfx profile? I think there are a few more changes we can do like in the showdesktop plugin
[09:20] <Trevinho> seb128: well, they deserved... But really they did nothing a part that lucky goal. We made a trap, and they couldn't do anything
[09:20] <hikiko> (+thanks you work on that! :D)
[09:21] <Trevinho> seb128: the penalty... Well, if a player uses hands in that way... At those levels... wow :-D
[09:21] <ogra_> Trevinho, well, you have to admit that they copied the italian style perfectly :)
[09:22] <Trevinho> ogra_: I agree, not that perfectly, but that's the way to play...
[09:22] <ogra_> heh
[09:22] <seb128> Trevinho, he had the hands in the air to show he wasn't making a fault
[09:22] <Trevinho> ogra_: although I was expecting more from the world champions... Or we've been stronger than i thought, or germany isn't that great :-P
[09:22] <seb128> Trevinho, it was not a wanted move toward the ball
[09:23] <seb128> France made one of those yesterday and referee said it was not voluntar and said to keep playing
[09:23] <Trevinho> seb128: it's fault. I'm a referee. And if you've to control hands also if you don't try to cath the ball. Having hands in the wrong position to block the space, is a fault.
[09:23] <ogra_> seb128, he enlarged the body surface, so the penalty was okayish
[09:23] <Trevinho> seb128: it has not to be. Also if you cover the space, it's fault.
[09:23] <hikiko> lol, football... :D
[09:24] <Trevinho> seb128: as ogra_ says.
[09:25] <ogra_> seb128, i think the refree actually has some wiggle room there to decide it wasnt fault though ...
[09:25] <seb128> right
[09:25] <seb128> :-)
[09:25] <seb128> anyway, touch match
[09:25] <seb128> and sucking penalties
[09:25] <seb128> how to miss 7 of those
[09:25] <Trevinho> Tired players
[09:25] <ogra_> well
[09:26] <Trevinho> really, everybody ran like crazy during the match
[09:26] <ogra_> your most awake player missed most spectacular
[09:26] <Trevinho> All the attackers were defending too
[09:26] <Trevinho> ogra_: yeah... He tried to troll your great GK, he failed.... :-(
[09:26] <ogra_> heh, yeah
[09:27] <Trevinho> but it's something you've to do in the field... As if it works, then you're the hero
[09:27] <seb128> if it doesn't you are the zero though ;-)
[09:27] <ogra_> what i found worse was that the in-game penalty didnt get repeated ... he clearly stopped when running which isnt allowed anymore
[09:27] <Trevinho> A risk you have to deal with
[09:27] <Trevinho> ogra_: I think it's allowed now
[09:28] <ogra_> not for this euro afaik
[09:28] <Trevinho> ogra_: you can't block your self, but you can slow down the run
[09:28] <Trevinho> somewhat a tricky thing though.
[09:28] <ogra_> (though i dont know the rules, only what the commenters say)
[09:28] <Trevinho> I've seen examples of what is allowed and what not, and.... I hardly see the differences sometimes
[09:28] <ogra_> heh, yeah
[09:28] <Trevinho> commenters aren't really very aware of things..
[09:29] <Trevinho> Even ours were claming some off-sides that were really not there
[09:29] <ogra_> yeah
[09:29] <hikiko> Trevinho...
[09:29] <Trevinho> (now you've to touch the ball, unless you don't interfere with a defensor... for example)
[09:29] <Trevinho> hikiko: yeah? :)
[09:29] <ogra_> lol
[09:30] <hikiko> Trevinho, 1- will we merge the profile to trunk so all changes will be there
[09:30] <Trevinho> hikiko: yes
[09:30] <hikiko> 2- will I be able to make some changes afterwards
[09:30] <hikiko> becasue I want to change the showdesktop plugin as well
[09:30] <hikiko> and maybe a few more things
[09:30] <Trevinho> what in showdesktop?
[09:30] <Trevinho> the fading?
[09:30] <hikiko> the durations
[09:30] <hikiko> yep
[09:31] <hikiko> there's fade there too
[09:32] <Trevinho> hikiko: mh, are we using that plugin or is it something in unity itself? Since I don't remember if showdesktop plugin is enabled
[09:32] <Trevinho> (it isn't here=
[09:33] <hikiko> it's in compiz
[09:33] <hikiko> oh wait the profile will only contain the unity settings?
[09:33] <Trevinho> hikiko: mh, it is, but I think it's not used by unity profile
[09:34] <Trevinho> hikiko: confirmed... fade there is in unityshell
[09:34] <hikiko> yes
[09:34] <Trevinho> hikiko: I think you can proposse a change to that quite quickly, providing a ccsm option for unityshell, isn't it?
[09:35] <hikiko> yep
[09:35] <hikiko> like for the others
[09:35] <Trevinho> hikiko: if you can by 3-4 hours, then do that and I'll include the change in the unity-lowgfx profile
[09:35] <hikiko> sure
[09:35] <Trevinho> hikiko: this is what I've set so far http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/18440832/
[09:36] <Trevinho> hikiko: if there's anything else that you suggest or that I missed, let me know...
[09:36] <hikiko> sure I'll push that change and get a look to the other plugins
[09:56] <happyaron> seb128: mind to subscribe desktop-bugs to network-manager-openvpn?
[10:06] <Trevinho> seb128: since Laney is at debconf, can you ack some compiz pkg changes (well, just adding files, nothing related to control files
[10:15] <seb128> happyaron, can do
[10:15] <seb128> Trevinho, yeah, you can just ask on the channel, Laney might be online at time as well, see happyaron is ;-)
[10:15] <seb128> but yeah I can
[10:16] <Trevinho> ta
[10:28] <Trevinho> hikiko: https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/compiz/unity-lowgfx-profile/+merge/299029
[10:31] <hikiko> Trevinho, I think it's safe to remove the fade as well
[10:31] <hikiko> it's for the fading windows
[10:32] <Trevinho> hikiko: nope, it handles the dark windows when they're blocked
[10:32] <Trevinho> hikiko: but I've rmoved the animation
[10:33] <Trevinho> hikiko: it would be trivial to move it to unity, but for now this is enough I think
[10:33] <hikiko> mmm :) ok! then next fix will be an option to disable the fade of the fading windows, I didn't know that it's used somewhere
[10:33] <hikiko> because when I disabled it I had no issues :)
[10:34] <hikiko> Trevinho, we don't need to move it I think, I'll just add an option there too
[10:35] <Trevinho> hikiko: no, no... I've disabled the animation alread
[10:35] <Trevinho> [fade]
[10:35] <Trevinho> s0_fade_mode = 1
[10:35] <Trevinho> s0_fade_time = 1
[10:35] <hikiko> oh :) yeah
[10:35] <Trevinho> if theres' some optimization to do, feel free... but this is already enough
[10:35] <hikiko> ok
[10:35] <hikiko> yep
[10:35] <hikiko> we need 1 step
[10:35] <hikiko> :D
[10:36] <Trevinho> hikiko: ok, go for that, but the showdesktop in unity has more prio
[10:36] <hikiko> Trevinho, can I top apprive it?
[10:36] <Trevinho> hikiko: if you think so, sure
[10:36] <Trevinho> I'd like to have a silo ppa ready by today
[10:36] <Trevinho> as it takes still couple of days to land
[10:36] <Trevinho> plus the SRU
[10:36] <hikiko> we add any other options later let's just have those and I ll send you the showdesktop in a while
[10:37] <hikiko> approved
[11:07] <ksamak> Trevinho: i let you (or someone) review the size modifier for switcher feat. tell me what you guys think about it.
[11:08] <ksamak> it addresses visual impairement. some people need really big printouts, obviously.
[11:10] <hikiko> Trevinho, I think it's worth changing the opacity too
[11:11] <hikiko> because we skip the blending calculations
[11:11] <hikiko> (for transparency)
[11:12] <Trevinho> hikiko: which setting is it?
[11:12] <hikiko> let me see
[11:12]  * Trevinho at lunch, I'll check that layer
[11:12] <hikiko> window_opacity
[11:12] <Trevinho> Later*
[11:12] <hikiko> I'll set it to 1
[11:13] <Trevinho> In fade plugin?
[11:13] <hikiko> no no in showdesktop
[11:14] <Trevinho> Showdesktop plugin is not used. It's done in unity
[11:14] <hikiko> are you sure?
[11:14] <hikiko> I've just changed the settings
[11:14] <hikiko> and they work
[11:14] <Trevinho> Weird. It's disabled in both profiles
[11:15] <hikiko> ew
[11:15] <hikiko> I disabled it and got a different effect no idea why it was enabled in both my computers
[11:16] <hikiko> alright let me disable the unity fade too... I had just put an option to the showdesktop plugin \m/
[11:27] <Laney> hi again!
[11:27] <desrt> happy monday!
[11:29] <desrt> irccloud hashes Trevinho and hikiko to the same colour, which is a particularly awful pairing to do that to
[11:30] <Trevinho> I've the same for you (desrt) and Laney
[11:30] <hikiko> when will you switch to a normal and configurable client like hexchat or at least irssi? :p
[11:30] <desrt> ya.  larsu mentioned this.
[11:30] <Trevinho> Hey Laney, how is SA?
[11:30] <desrt> i switched *from* irssi :)
[11:31] <Trevinho> Need to build a cli UI for irccloud
[11:31] <hikiko> and you see the results :)
[11:31] <hikiko> desrt, it's time to go back!
[11:31] <hikiko> :p
[11:31] <hikiko> happy monday btw
[11:31] <desrt> i'd prefer that one of you just change your nick
[11:31] <Laney> what up
[11:31] <desrt> we would save some time that way :)
[11:31] <Laney> it's sunny Trevinho
[11:31] <Laney> and most plesant
[11:31] <Laney> pleasant
[11:31] <desrt> perfect
[11:31] <desrt> thanks
[11:31] <desrt_> :D
[11:32] <desrt> ugh.  same colour as laney.
[11:32] <Laney> i've had this nickname on IRC for 21 years
[11:32] <Laney> cold dead hands etc
[11:32] <desrt> you're old.
[11:32] <hikiko> Trevinho, I think I've fixed it it's *much* faster
[11:32]  * desrt tries to think back
[11:33] <desrt> i think i've had this one closer to 18....
[11:33] <hikiko> but better get a look :)
[11:33]  * desrt is old too
[11:33] <hikiko> I am uploading..
[11:33] <Laney> \o/
[11:34] <desrt> hikiko: you'll be happy to know that i recently signed up for gmail
[11:34]  * desrt is clearly not afraid of changing her online service arrangements
[11:35] <hikiko> Trevinho, I think that when the desktop appears there's still some fade :s it's very quick though
[11:36] <hikiko> desrt, why would I be happy?
[11:36] <Trevinho> hikiko: Yes, but I think that's done inside unityshell plugin.
[11:36] <hikiko> I don't even sync my contacts to google :) +I don't even login to the apps on my phone
[11:36] <desrt> hikiko: your encouragements to change my services to better things :)
[11:36] <Trevinho> I can check that later
[11:36] <hikiko> Trevinho, yeah I've done the change there
[11:36] <hikiko> :)
[11:37] <hikiko> enjoy your lunch anyway
[11:37] <seb128> hey desrt Laney
[11:38] <seb128> how are you? had a good w.e?
[11:38] <hikiko> Trevinho, here: https://code.launchpad.net/~hikiko/unity/unity.showdesktop/+merge/299036
[11:38] <seb128> is desrt to debconf as well?
[11:38] <desrt> no.  i took a pass.
[11:38] <seb128> Laney, how was the flight? and how is s-a and debconf?
[11:38] <desrt> but i will travel to europe soon (next week)
[11:38] <seb128> k
[11:38] <seb128> it's only happy_aron and l_aney from our team?
[11:39] <hikiko> seb128, yes
[11:39] <seb128> which would make sense, nobody else from the team uploads to Debian I think?
[11:41] <hikiko> there should be a debconf for those who download from Debian too...
[11:41] <desrt> there is.  it's called diversity sponsorship.
[11:42] <seb128> lol
[11:42] <hikiko> lol
[11:42] <desrt> seriously... their explicit intent there is to attract people like downstream distributors
[11:42] <seb128> "they should give you free holidays in addition of the free OS"
[11:42] <seb128> ;-)
[11:43] <hikiko> :D
[11:43] <seb128> right, contributors/integrators, not users
[11:43] <desrt> either way... ubuntu, as a project, is definitely a downloader of debian :)
[11:44] <seb128> yeah, I think it makes sense to have Ubuntu distro people there
[11:44] <desrt> i met a lot of tails people in 2015 (first year of diversity sponsorship)
[11:44] <seb128> I would probably have joined if it was not so much travel
[11:44] <desrt> was really cool to talk to a debian derivative about an upstream desktop at the debian conference
[11:44] <seb128> :-)
[11:44] <desrt> same........
[11:46] <hikiko> I've never been to any open source conference tbh (apart from the local fosscomms and our ubuntu conferences), it sounds cool :)
[11:47] <desrt> you should do FOSDEM next year
[11:47] <desrt> or GUADEC this year :)
[11:48] <hikiko> you have to be a gnome developer I guess
[11:49] <Laney> seb128: good, got some sleep on the flight so wasn't too dead on saturday
[11:49] <desrt> the U in GUADEC seems to be pretty explicit about that not being true :)
[11:50] <desrt> but uh... seeing as you aren't a user, either... ;)
[11:50] <hikiko> hahaha
[11:50] <desrt> GUHADEC   (gnome users, haters, and developers...)
[11:50] <ogra_> the potential that it could turn him into one should be enough of a reason ;
[11:50] <ogra_> ;)
[11:50] <hikiko> I am not a hater either!
[11:51] <hikiko> her*
[11:51] <ogra_> oops
[11:51] <desrt> haters gonna hate.... (and then deny hatin')
[11:52] <ogra_> hikiko, lol, damn .. you are eleni ... i didnt remember your nick :P
[11:52] <hikiko> :D
[11:53] <davmor2> desrt: if it helps I hate all you devs that's why I break your stuff ;)
[11:53] <davmor2> desrt: just ask ogra_ and willcooke they'll confirm it :)
[11:53] <desrt> ogra_: better not to assume, as a general rule...
[11:53] <ogra_> desrt, what now ?
[11:54] <desrt> ogra_: best not to assume the gender of the person you are speaking to if you don't know them
[11:54] <hikiko> I don't mind :)
[11:54] <ogra_> desrt, no, m'am :)
[11:54] <hikiko> hahahaha
[11:54]  * desrt .... lets that one slide :p
[11:55] <ogra_> davmor2, i approve everything, always :)
[11:55] <davmor2> ogra_: and that's why it breaks and then I hate you for it breaking :P
[11:56] <ogra_> davmor2, lies, you love me for breaking things ... ;)
[11:57] <davmor2> ogra_: no I don't it's my job to break things you take away all my fun by breaking before I see it :P
[11:57] <davmor2> ogra_: but I do love you for adding bugs to keep me happy :)
[11:57] <ogra_> :)
[12:03] <hikiko> Trevinho, (for later) the branch works and there's no fade :) I just had animation and fade windows enabled and didn't realize it was coming by there, you can review it when you come back :)
[12:03] <hikiko> so next step: fade windows!
[12:06] <hikiko> going for lunch too:)
[12:42]  * qengho Zzz.
[12:48] <alexarnaud> Dear all
[12:50] <alexarnaud> willcooke: Will you send me an answer about Compiz accessibility?
[12:53] <willcooke> alexarnaud, as I said in my email, once the current project is complete
[12:57] <alexarnaud> willcooke: OK, so I forgot the email so. I've remember you have seen your boos and after you will send us a reply. So as I remember I've not received an email after that. So if the answer if no, I note that in my head and I will no disturb you about this subject. Thanks :)
[14:02] <happyaron> seb128: mind to subscribe it? needed for nm-openvpn's MIR
[14:04] <seb128> happyaron, desktop-bugs is subscribed
[14:04] <seb128> thanks for doing the MIR work
[14:04] <seb128> it's the team we usually for those so it should be good enough
[14:05] <happyaron> ok, didn't see the team subscription just now
[14:05] <happyaron> ty!
[14:05] <seb128> I just did it ;-)
[14:06] <seb128> thanks the reminder
[14:06] <seb128> yw!
[16:57] <Trevinho> hikiko: so.. here's the new branch, it applies the low_gfx to more animations https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/unity/lowgfx-mode-less-effects/+merge/299059
[16:57] <Trevinho> hikiko: please review it
[16:58] <ksamak> Trevinho: there's also a new branch here, easy to test and review ;D  https://code.launchpad.net/~ksamak/compiz/switcher_add_size_multiplier
[17:04] <Trevinho> ksamak: ok, thanks
[17:58] <willcooke>  night all
[18:51] <hikiko> Trevinho, the only part I didn't understand is the nux::Animator, why you had to use it in standalone previews...
[18:51] <hikiko> I'll look at it tomorrow
[18:52] <hikiko> it's already top approved by andyrock anyway :)
[18:58] <Trevinho> hikiko: because without that no animation events are triggered
[18:59] <hikiko> that in standalone?