[00:00] <ibsin> Here's the .csv file opened
[00:00] <ibsin> http://imgur.com/Rv503yL
[00:00] <ibsin> Btw, I can't seem to get Skype and Steam to install on Kubuntu....they just...sit there with the package installer :/
[00:05] <ibsin> Anyone?
[00:24] <juacom99> valorie: i did it :D, i manage to get kdeconnect working :D
[00:24] <ibsin> Can anyone still help me with the KAddress Book?
[00:25] <juacom99> what's the problem ibsin?
[00:26] <ibsin> My Google contacts won't import to it
[00:26] <ibsin> Comes up with a window that says, "Must at least assign one column."
[00:29] <juacom99> ok let me try
[00:32] <juacom99> ibsin: i can't either. but i don't get any message
[00:33] <ibsin> hmm
[00:33] <ibsin> Well, I don't have too many. I'll just put them in manually.
[01:32] <Venado> What me pc need of requirement, to install Kubunto?
[01:32] <Venado> ?
[01:33] <Venado> hey
[01:33] <Venado> yo
[01:33] <Venado> yo
[01:33] <Venado> yyo
[01:33] <Venado> yoy
[01:33] <Venado> yo
[01:33] <Venado> yoy
[01:33] <unopaste> Venado you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[01:39] <DaniUser> exo
[01:39] <DaniUser> i have aprovlem
[01:46] <DaniUser> do you more to help me
[01:58] <DaniUser> just a problem
[01:58] <DaniUser> how to
[01:58] <DaniUser> deistall a package
[01:58] <DaniUser> :?
[01:58] <DaniUser> wich komand
[03:54] <Bomber_> anyone know how to properlly install synaptic drivers?
[04:02] <tekkbuzz> Bomber_: what's a synaptic driver?
[04:03] <Bomber_> it's a driver used in ubuntu for touchpad stuff
[04:03] <Bomber_> i belive, I mean that's what I read about my problem with my touchpad
[04:04] <tekkbuzz> so you mean you want to install a driver, not a "synaptic driver".
[04:06] <tekkbuzz> Bomber_: maybe you mean this package?  xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
[04:07] <Bomber_> already installed
[04:07] <Bomber_> but the driver is still not loaded
[04:07] <valorie> !drivers
[04:07] <valorie> hmmmm
[04:08] <valorie> we used to have a driver thing
[04:08] <valorie> is there nothing in systemsettings, Bomber_?
[04:08] <Bomber_> ?
[04:08] <Bomber_> what am i looking for?
[04:09] <valorie> alt+f2 - when I type in synaptics, it displays: touchpad settings
[04:11] <valorie> doesn't mention drivers though, at least for me
[04:15] <Bomber_> it says "Synaptics driver is not installed (or is not used)"
[04:21] <TheFakeazneD525> is the driver name psmouse?
[04:24] <valorie> hmmm, perhaps run `kbuildsycoca4 --noincremental` from the cli
[04:24] <valorie> that gets all parts of KDE on the same page
[04:25] <valorie> in essence
[05:00] <Bomber_> valorie: there's some issue with the noincremental option
[05:01] <Bomber_> sudo apt-get install kbuildsycoca4 --noincremental
[05:01] <Bomber_> E: Command line option --noincremental is not understood
[05:05] <valorie> no, don't install it
[05:05] <valorie> just do that command in the konsole
[05:06] <valorie> it isn't a package, it's a service
[05:08] <Bomber_> VFolderMenu::loadDoc: Parse error in  "/home/nlev/.config/menus/applications-merged/xdg-desktop-menu-dummy.menu" , line  1 , col  1 :  "unexpected end of file"
[05:10] <valorie> that's just an error
[05:10] <valorie> there will be a few
[05:10] <valorie> question is, did that help with your driver problem?
[05:18] <Bomber_> valorie: nope
[05:18] <valorie> nothing ventured, nothing gained
[05:19] <Bomber_> ?
[05:20] <valorie> I mean that trying kbuildsycoca4 didn't hurt anything
[05:20] <valorie> sorry it didn't help
[05:22] <blubberbop> Can I configure yakuake to automatically startup with a number of shells, first tab having 2 panels, one running top, the other dstat, the second tab running a ping, the third tab starting a mysql client, etc..
[05:23] <blubberbop> This would be nice since I always have the same setup at startup, but right now I have to do this manually every time I boot up my laptop
[05:41] <MinimalLak> im trying to change the aspect ratio of my kubuntu setup to 1024x768 or something close to it when im running it in vmware player, but it doesnt give me any option; is most of the functions I seek usually done in konsole?
[05:42] <MinimalLak> kinda makes me wish I was raised on linux, then I wouldn't be so noobish
[05:45] <valorie> MinimalLak: kscreen might help
[05:45] <tsimpson> you probably need to install the vmware tools software too
[05:50] <MinimalLak> I did install the vmware tools, but it says to use it I need the vmxnet3 adapter, and I got no idea how to get it, the vmware support docs don't help me because I can't find it
[05:51] <MinimalLak> ok, I got the kscreen thing running, and at the moment, all I see is a box with 3 icons in it in a white space, with the name virtual1
[05:51] <MinimalLak> no other option shown for it except the following buttons
[05:51] <MinimalLak> help, defaults, ok, and cancel
[05:52] <valorie> hmmmm
[05:52] <MinimalLak> and I just tried using the help button and trying to find something relating to display options
[05:52] <MinimalLak> nothing
[05:53] <MinimalLak> all I know about vmware tools is it allows me to use a drag n' drop function in file transfer
[05:57] <MinimalLak> somehow its like I always end up getting computer problems/challenges that none else has gotten
[05:59] <MinimalLak> ok, I just ran the vmware-config-tools.pl script, and it says I already have the vmxnet3 module installed
[05:59] <MinimalLak> just dont  know how to make my virtual system run on that
[06:07] <valorie> MinimalLak: there is a #vmware
[06:07] <valorie> might be more specific help for you there
[06:07] <valorie> !vmware
[06:07] <MinimalLak> ?
[06:07] <MinimalLak> oh
[06:07] <valorie> not much support here, since we don't distribute it
[06:14] <MinimalLak> answer me this: would all this be easier in VirtualBox, because I have that also
[06:14] <MinimalLak> along with the same resolution problem
[06:16] <MinimalLak> huh
[06:16] <Fritigern> MinimalLak: It might be
[06:16] <MinimalLak> uh, I just resized my vmware player window
[06:16] <MinimalLak> the one running the virtual os
[06:16] <MinimalLak> and it rezised and made my desktop bigger
[06:16] <MinimalLak> I guess I fixed it?
[06:17] <Fritigern> I don;t know, Possbly?
[06:17] <MinimalLak> its going to be so confusing replicating the fix if I end up having this same problem again
[06:17] <MinimalLak> just to ask, how would I fix this problem in virtualbox
[06:17] <MinimalLak> if I end up switching virtual os systems
[06:22] <valorie> MinimalLak: there is also #vbox
[06:22] <MinimalLak> !vbox
[06:23] <valorie> not KDE software, or kubuntu software, so your chances of finding specific help here are rather slim
[06:26] <keithzg_mobile> I will say that I've found virtualbox to be WAY less hassle than VM Ware, and it runs really well on Kubuntu.
[06:27] <uczen_> witam
[06:28] <MinimalLak> I do agree, I could see the entire window process when installing kubuntu in virtualbox
[06:29] <MinimalLak> I wanna try it now, but I gotta sleep, my arms are slowing down
[06:29] <MinimalLak> thanks for the help given people
[06:29] <MinimalLak> bye
[06:33] <Curses> join #sukces
[06:48] <Czlaps>  dsadas
[06:48] <Czlaps> asdas
[06:48] <Czlaps>  dsadas
[06:49] <valorie> Czlaps: can we help you?
[06:50] <soee> hmm i see some students from Poland trying irc :)
[06:50] <Czlaps> yea :D
[06:50] <Czlaps> first time i see ubumtu
[06:50] <Czlaps> i'm quite confused
[06:50] <soee> Czlaps: you are on Ubuntu or Kubuntu ?
[06:51] <Czlaps> kubuntu
[06:51] <soee> Than welcom :) Witaj !
[06:51] <Czlaps> u are from?
[06:51] <soee> Poland ;)
[06:52] <soee> Czlaps: are you using Kubuntu @ school ?
[06:52] <KEJDI> Welcome guys
[06:53] <soee> hiho KEJDI
[06:56] <uczen> wonsz
[06:56] <wonsz> witam : D
[06:56] <Unit193> Please stop changing your nick like there's no tomorrow.
[06:57] <soee> Please speak english as this is international channel :)
[06:57] <uczen> Okay
[06:58] <nadalWonsz> join #sukcjes
[06:58] <soee> use slash before command name
[07:12] <valorie> folks, Please Stop changing nicks
[07:12] <valorie> or you'll be kicked
[07:13] <soee> valorie: i think someone is teaching them how to use irc
[07:13] <KEJDI> sorry guys
[07:13] <Sorcu> hello
[07:14] <BanujeBoty> We are learning some things about this os
[07:14] <Sorcu> what are you doing?? ;3
[07:14] <BanujeBoty> sorry for spam :D
[07:14] <to_ja> witam
[07:14] <valorie> whoever is teaching the lesson is doing a poor job
[07:14] <Sorcu> no siemka ;p
[07:14] <soee> Irc is not an OS
[07:14] <valorie> by OS do you mean linux/Kubuntu?
[07:14] <BanujeBoty> i'm talking generally about linux/kubuntu
[07:14] <BanujeBoty> i mean*
[07:14] <valorie> what can we help you with
[07:15] <valorie> also there is a polish chan if you prefer
[07:15] <valorie> !pl
[07:15] <BanujeBoty> You dont have to help us :) We are fine
[07:16] <valorie> as I said, please stop changing nicks
[07:16] <valorie> you are spamming the channel
[07:16] <soee> well this is a support channel for Kubuntu, if you will have any question feel free to ask
[07:16] <valorie> this is a help/support channel
[07:20] <BanujeBoty> is it possible to kick someone from this channel?
[07:20] <valorie> yes
[07:20] <valorie> and I will do it unless people stop changing nicks
[07:24] <soee> the guy who is teaching you is on this channel ?
[07:25] <KEJDI> no
[07:25] <KEJDI> he drinks tea
[07:25] <Guest84352> hey
[07:25] <Guest84352> how do a new room?
[07:25] <Czlapinski> hey
[07:25] <soee> KEJDI: so please tell others to stop changing nicks
[07:26] <soee> pisk one you liek and use it
[07:26] <soee> or you might get banned as valorie said
[07:26] <Unit193> !test | KEJDI, Dovakin
[07:26] <Czlapinski> przepraszam bardzo czy ktos uzywa tego systemu?
[07:26] <Dovakin> Jakiego?
[07:26] <PRECZZKOMUNA> Can u tell me how to creat a new channel?
[07:27] <valorie> you can join a channel by typing on a line:/join #channelname
[07:27] <Czlapinski> wbijac na #opisujemy
[07:27] <valorie> start with /
[07:27] <Dovakin> join #opisujemy
[07:27] <valorie> start with /
[07:27] <valorie> like /join #opisujemy
[07:27] <PRECZZKOMUNA> i ask about how to CREATE not how to join
[07:27] <valorie> that creates it
[07:27] <valorie> I was answering your question
[07:28] <PRECZZKOMUNA> ok thanks
[07:28] <valorie> you're welcome
[07:38] <Hepe> Hi, my kubuntu installation (which I originally installed as ubuntu and then installed KDE) suddenly stopped working recently.
[07:38] <Hepe>  It will only go till the login screen, if I select KDE as the DE it will only flash for around 5 seconds and then reset back, and unity on the other hand hangs for a long time and never logs in too.
[07:39] <Hepe> Any help on this would be appreciated, and in newbie language ^_^
[07:40] <Hepe> It's Ubuntu 14.04 with KDE.
[07:41] <valorie> how did you install KDE?
[07:41] <uczen> hello
[07:42] <valorie> hellp Sorcu
[07:42] <valorie> I mean hello
[07:43] <Sorcu> join #poland
[07:43] <Hepe> Using the commands listed on this page http://askubuntu.com/questions/138063/installing-kde-in-ubuntu-12-04
[07:44] <Hepe> I mean sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:44] <valorie> Sorcu: use / before the command
[07:45] <valorie> Hepe: do you know how to use the commandline at all?
[07:45] <Hepe> It worked okay, even though I had problems with the networking and things.
[07:45] <valorie> hmmm
[07:45] <Hepe> The terminal, yes.
[07:45] <valorie> cool
[07:45] <Hepe> even if a bit lol
[07:45] <valorie> please try `sudo apt-get install -f`
[07:45] <valorie> it sounds like something didn't install correctly
[07:46] <Hepe> I'll go a step further and say that it just stopped working a few days ago...the program I was running (IRC client) was still working, but I couldn't click around and all..like KDE hung
[07:47] <Hepe> and ever since then, I haven't been able to use any DE :/
[07:47] <valorie> that sounds very bad, Hepe
[07:47] <valorie> and unusual
[07:48] <Hepe> I can use the terminal, thankfully. via  ctrl+alt+f1 from the login screen and all.
[07:48] <valorie> yes
[07:48] <valorie> or yakuake, which is a nice dropdown konsole
[07:49] <Hepe> I ran the command sudo apt-get install -f, and it changed nothing. "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 5 not upgraded."
[07:51] <valorie> ok, next try: `sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade`
[07:51] <Hepe> wait, maybe you mean to run that as part of "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"? like sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop -f ?
[07:52] <Hepe> ok.
[07:53] <valorie> exactly as I typed
[07:53] <valorie> just copy/paste
[07:53] <Hepe> it's on another machine :/
[07:53] <alvin> lordievader: Remember my network troubles yesterday? I pinpointed the problem. It's the network card/driver for sure. I attached an old USB network card and that one worked just fine.
[07:53] <valorie> control+shift+v to paste
[07:54] <alvin> So, now I have to find a fix. Already tried the daily kernel from the mainline ppa, but no cure there.
[07:54] <valorie> Hepe: that's what those tick marks mean `
[07:54] <Hepe> I see
[07:55] <Hepe> So, on the machine that I ran the command on, it isn't connected to the net and thus it's returning a bunch of "err and failed to fetch" errors
[07:55] <valorie> right
[07:55] <Hepe> but, it does ask me if I want to update 5 files
[07:55] <Hepe> linux-generic .etc
[07:55] <valorie> it won't be able to do it if it is not online though
[07:56] <valorie> why is it not online?
[07:56] <Hepe> I tried googling a lot on how to connect to a network via terminal :c
[07:56] <Hepe> It's just not online.
[07:56] <valorie> ah
[07:56]  * Trollo is away: Gone away for now.
[07:56] <Hepe> ok, I rebooted
[07:56] <valorie> do you have a cable you can use?
[07:56] <Hepe> I don't think so :/
[07:57] <Hepe> Oh, and from the ubuntu login screen...I can't connect to wifi because:
[07:57] <Hepe> it gives this error of "failed to add/activate connection (32) insufficient privileges."
[07:57] <valorie> bizarre
[07:58] <Hepe> sigh
[07:58] <Hepe> but yea, from there I can see my wifi listed.
[07:59] <valorie> weird
[07:59] <valorie> does your wifi connection require a password?
[07:59] <Hepe> yes
[08:00] <Hepe> but while Kubuntu was working, I used it okay..if not perfectly and all.
[08:00] <valorie> "insufficient privileges" sounds like it isn't getting the passw
[08:00] <Hepe> and it was supposed to be saved.
[08:00] <valorie> !wireless
[08:00] <valorie> there is a bunch of stuff there, but
[08:00] <valorie> gah
[08:01] <valorie> last time I couldn't get online, I used nmcli in the console
[08:01] <valorie> it did work
[08:01] <valorie> but it sure is not user-friendly
[08:01] <Hepe> yea..just tried doing that a bit earlier
[08:01] <Hepe> Do you think my system files have been corrupted or something? (if that's the correct term)
[08:02] <valorie> no, I think you got a bad upgrade for some reason
[08:02] <valorie> missing file or something
[08:02] <Hepe> Oh, if I haven't mentioned it, I have Kubuntu and Windows alongside each other.
[08:03] <valorie> shouldn't matter
[08:03] <Hepe> I see :/
[08:03] <valorie> unless you are using wubi
[08:03] <Hepe> ah nope, did a clean install
[08:03] <valorie> cool
[08:03] <valorie> do you have any PPAs?
[08:05] <Hepe> yea
[08:05] <valorie> which ones?
[08:05] <Hepe> I can't remember which ones, but I don't think they were anything major in a sens
[08:05] <Hepe> e
[08:05] <Hepe> Is there any way to find out which ones I have from the terminal?
[08:06] <valorie> some create problems
[08:07] <valorie> you can see them all with `cat /etc/apt/sources.list`
[08:07] <Hepe> thanks
[08:08] <valorie> in general, the only ones you should have begin with "kubuntu-ppa"
[08:08] <valorie> such as updates, and backports
[08:10] <Hepe> mostly things like /trusty-updates main restricted
[08:11] <Hepe>  /trusty-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[08:11] <valorie> those are cool
[08:11] <valorie> uh
[08:11] <valorie> trusty?
[08:11] <Hepe>  /trusty-security main restricted
[08:11] <valorie> oops, right
[08:12] <Hepe> trusty tahr, yea they could have chosen a better name
[08:12] <valorie> that's what you want
[08:12] <valorie> trusty part has been true for me
[08:12] <Hepe> thought so, and  idon't see anything...odd
[08:13] <valorie> so, install nmcli and then `man nmcli` is my best advice
[08:13] <Hepe>  /trusty universe
[08:13] <Hepe> i think I already have nmcli
[08:13] <valorie> dig around a bit with it and see what is working with your networking, and what isn't
[08:13] <valorie> cool
[08:13] <valorie> I found it difficult to use, but I just stuck at it until it connected
[08:13] <Hepe> I was able to list the networks I had via nmcli c list
[08:13] <Hepe> >I had
[08:14] <jp_jp_100pro> szukam ludzia z polski ! :D
[08:14] <Hepe> I mean which I had added to network manager in kubuntu previously.
[08:14] <uczen> Hello guys
[08:14] <uczen> What's up?4
[08:14] <valorie> once I got the right bssid, then I used that to connect
[08:14] <uczen> Im on lessons, and I just installed Kubuntu, any tips for me?
[08:15] <valorie> what do you want to do, uczen?
[08:15] <gangus_lider> siema
[08:15] <valorie> it will do pretty much anything you need
[08:15] <Hepe> I was confused though, how to actually *connect* to a network using it
[08:16] <valorie> I think i used:
[08:16] <Hepe> I guess it was nmcli c up <UUID>
[08:16] <gangus_2> ałuuuu
[08:16] <gangus_2> ałuuuu
[08:16] <valorie> nmcli con up uuid 6b028a27-6dc9-4411-9886-e9ad1dd43761 ap 00:3A:98:7C:42:D3
[08:16] <gangus_lider> is any one from Poland kurwa mać?
[08:16] <valorie>               connects the Wi‐Fi connection with UUID 6b028a27-6dc9-4411-9886-e9ad1dd43761 to the AP with BSSID 00:3A:98:7C:42:D3.
[08:16] <valorie> pretty much
[08:16] <gangus_2> aj em from poland morda
[08:16] <valorie> !pl | gangus_2
[08:16] <valorie> or close
[08:17] <gangus_lider> Oh, God. Where am i?
[08:17] <jp_jp_100pro> in internet
[08:17] <gangus_2> IN A HELL
[08:17] <valorie> that computer is now in pieces, so I can't check
[08:17] <BestVayneEUNE> Welcome
[08:17] <gangus_lider> nice guys are here
[08:17] <soee> valorie: you should ban gangus_lider for the words he used
[08:17] <uczen> Who else came here?
[08:17] <TheFakeazneD525> whoa, stuff
[08:17] <valorie> please stop changing nicks
[08:17] <Hepe> damm, how can i find all that info of my router haha
[08:17] <gangus_lider> gangus_lider is good boy
[08:17] <gangus_2> don't bbban gangus lider
[08:17] <uczen> Jezior
[08:17] <uczen> Co porabiasz na ircu?
[08:17] <Hepe> denza: hi kitty
[08:17] <gangus_2> it's my bro
[08:18] <jezior> nic
[08:18] <TheFakeazneD525> Hepe: :3
[08:18] <gangus_lider> dont ban him, it's my teammate
[08:18] <gangus_2> me too
[08:18] <valorie> please all behave
[08:18] <BestVayneEUNE> they definitelly wont do it
[08:18] <uczen> To ten sławny jezior z tą sławną siostrą
[08:18] <gangus_lider> valorie hi
[08:18] <gangus_lider> are you from
[08:18] <gangus_lider> USA?
[08:18] <valorie> yes
[08:18] <gangus_2> jaką siostrą ?
[08:18] <jezior> no
[08:18] <valorie> near Seattle
[08:18] <gangus_2> do you like nba ?
[08:18] <jp_jp_100pro> Seattle is in Argentina ...
[08:18] <valorie> not much, no
[08:19] <valorie> lol
[08:19] <uczen> Natalia Cieślak ostra dupa
[08:19] <uczen> xd
[08:19] <valorie> Seattle: Nirvana
[08:19] <gangus_2> to jest jego siostra ?
[08:19] <gangus_2> nie znam
[08:19] <gangus_lider> Nirvana - shotguns
[08:19] <gangus_2> oo jakiś niemiec wbił
[08:19] <valorie> sad that you think of that
[08:19] <gangus_lider> sory for truth
[08:19] <gangus_2> i rusek ~!
[08:20] <valorie> that is only one facet
[08:20] <valorie> the music is still alive
[08:20] <gangus_lider> the ammo is still inside!
[08:20] <valorie> please stop
[08:20] <Mati> FUSS RO THAR!
[08:20] <gangus_lider> sori men
[08:20] <gangus_lider> its hard truth
[08:20] <valorie> or at least go to the #kubuntu-offtopic chan
[08:21] <valorie> this is a help chan for kubuntu
[08:21] <valorie> anything else is off topic
[08:21] <jp_jp_100pro> Poland TAKE THIS SERVER !!!!!!!!!!
[08:21] <gangus> join #kubuntu-offtopic
[08:21] <Hepe> valorie: how do I find the last bit though (sorry noob question) like  ap 00:3A:98:7C:42:D3
[08:21] <uczen> BIERZEMY TO
[08:21] <uczen> JEST NASZ
[08:21] <uczen> I CHUJ
[08:22] <Hepe> I can see the uuid of the network I wish to connect to via nmcli c list
[08:22] <gangus_2> POLSKA BIAAAOO CZERWONIII
[08:22] <valorie> nmcli -p con list
[08:22] <valorie>               lists all connections NetworkManager has.
[08:22] <valorie> I think
[08:22] <Hepe> ofc, it has the name I saved it with originally
[08:22] <valorie> uczen: please stop
[08:22] <Hepe> ok
[08:23] <uczen> What I should stop?
[08:23] <uczen> Im not doing anything ; <
[08:23] <Hepe> valorie: same info as the command I told you I used
[08:23] <Hepe> just in a more..different way
[08:24] <valorie> Hepe: don't give up
[08:25] <valorie> it can be done
[08:25] <valorie> just keep tinkering
[08:25] <Hepe> if you don't mind..what does "ap" mean in this case?
[08:25] <uczen> Im on virtual machine its funny, you know?
[08:25] <valorie> I wish I had written down the commands that worked for me, but then the hinge broke on that box
[08:25] <BestVayneEUNE> valorie u are really experienced with ubuntu didnt you?
[08:25] <valorie> uczen: clean up your language or you are gone
[08:26] <Hepe> can I find out the same info by using another laptop and doing <IP_ADDRESS> .etc ?
[08:26] <valorie> BestVayneEUNE: long time user
[08:26] <valorie> sure
[08:26] <Hepe> I mean checking my router's config thing
[08:26] <Hepe> I just happen to not know what "ap" or those numbers mean >_<
[08:27] <valorie> right
[08:27] <valorie> and I don't either
[08:27] <valorie> I just kept trying until I got it to work
[08:27] <Unit193> Normally 'access point'
[08:28] <Hepe>  Possibly the "MAC address"?
[08:29] <valorie> Hepe: probably
[08:29] <Hepe> it looks darn similar as to what valorie pasted :P
[08:29] <uczen> What is wrong with my language? Kappa
[08:29] <Hepe> 00:1e:a6:21:5d:30
[08:29] <Hepe> okay then.
[08:30] <Unit193> Ah, the bssid.
[08:31] <valorie> I did hate to kick them
[08:31] <valorie> sec
[08:31] <Hepe> he was using too many nicknames in one channel I guess...
[08:33] <Hepe> I'm getting errors like
[08:35] <Hepe> ** (process:3406): WARNING **: async_got_type: could not read properties for /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/ActiveConnection/1: Method "Get" with signature "ss" on interface "org.freedesktop.DBus.properties" doesn't exist
[08:35] <Hepe> pain to type out manually ^
[08:38] <Hepe> and then (after another duplicate of the above error message) Error: Connection activation failed: Creating object for path '/org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/ActiveConnection/1' failed in libn-glib.
[08:38] <valorie> gah
[08:38] <valorie> it's about bedtime for me
[08:38] <Hepe> oops sorry not "libn-glib."
[08:38] <Hepe> it's "libnm--glib"
[08:38] <valorie> I hope someone with more deep knowledge of networking will help you
[08:39] <valorie> well, libnm
[08:39] <Hepe> Oh okay, well thanks for your help in any case ^^
[08:39] <valorie> is the lib that runs networkmanager
[08:39] <Hepe> thought so from the name.
[08:39] <valorie> the reason I had to kickban the kids was foul language
[08:40] <valorie> their constant nick changes were annoying/spamming as well
[08:43] <alvin> Network again! I downloaded the e1000e driver from Intel and compiled that. The trouble is that I'd have to do this every time there's a kernel update.
[08:45] <ikonia> alvin: why are you doing this ?
[08:45] <valorie> alvin: won't the kernel eventually cover your card?
[08:45] <ikonia> alvin: the e1000 driver is in the kernel
[08:46] <ikonia> you should not be pulling it from intel
[08:46] <alvin> ikonia, valorie. Yes, it is in the kernel, and it used to work too. That's the weird part. But I tried the latest kernel from the mainline kernel PPA and it didn't work. This driver works. The one in Kubuntu 14.04 is apparently 'too old'
[08:47] <valorie> bizarre
[08:47] <ikonia> alvin: a.) why are you using hte mainline kernel b.) how are you determaining that the one in kubuntu default is too lold
[08:47] <valorie> have you spoken with the #ubuntu-kernel people?
[08:47] <valorie> they are really friendly and helpful
[08:47] <ikonia> I would be very surprised if this is a problem
[08:47] <alvin> The card is perfectly recognised with the 'old version', but it just doesn't work. The DHCP server doesn't even register the requests.
[08:47] <ikonia> as the e1000 driver is probably the most stable and working network driver in the kernel
[08:47] <Unit193> Hepe: You may want to make sure the network-manager service is indeed running.
[08:48] <ikonia> alvin: ok - so dhcp is a different situation
[08:48] <alvin> ikonia: Well, usually the driver is part of the kernel, right? So that's why I tried a newer kernel
[08:48] <ikonia> alvin: that is not "the nework card dosn't work" out of the box
[08:48] <alvin> ikonia: Oh, but static doesn't work too.
[08:48] <ikonia> alvin: define "doesn't work"
[08:48] <Hepe> Unit193: any particular command to verify that it is?
[08:48] <Unit193> Hepe: sudo service network-manager status
[08:48] <alvin> No network. Simple as that. I can configure all I want. The driver detects the cable being plugged in or out, but I can't create a connection. No ping, nothing.
[08:49] <Hepe> thanks.
[08:49] <ikonia> alvin: how are you configuring it ?
[08:49] <ikonia> alvin: if you are getting a link status - the driver is working
[08:49] <ikonia> alvin: as the card is "up"
[08:49] <ikonia> alvin: the tcp stack is a different issue
[08:49] <alvin> Well. To start with. I didn't configure anythiong. So networkmanager tries DHCP. That didn't work. Then /etc/network/interfaces. I disabled networkmanager, used good o' ifconfig. Nothing
[08:50] <ikonia> alvin: I would doubt very much that is a problem with e1000
[08:50] <ikonia> (it is possible but I would put that at the back of the list)
[08:50] <alvin> I;ve tried for many hours. Replacing the driver by a newer version was the only thing that changed the situation.
[08:51] <ikonia> alvin: so the version from intel.com worked fully when you dropped it in
[08:51] <alvin> Indeed
[08:51] <ikonia> alvin: thats interesting, but I'd still put the e1000 module to the back of the list as the problem, but that's a good bit of information to know
[08:51] <alvin> It's the e1000e driver
[08:52] <ikonia> isn't that provided from the e1000 module anyway ?
[08:52] <alvin> Wait...
[08:52] <alvin> I just looked at my logs, and it says e1000e: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Driver - 2.3.2-k That's the default one. But I thought that one was removed
[08:53] <ikonia> that's not a surprise
[08:53] <ikonia> so the default one is actually working
[08:53] <alvin> I don't know. I used modprobe with e1000e. Might be the same.
[08:53] <Hepe> Unit193: the response is network-manager start/running, process 739
[08:53] <alvin> Well, it used to work too. But while compiling I thought I saw the new driver remove the old module
[08:53] <ikonia> alvin: I'd reset your machine back to default and work it through
[08:54] <ikonia> alvin: I think you're going down an uneeded path
[08:54] <ikonia> (I could be wrong though)
[08:54] <alvin> Well, since it used to work, what you assume is logical. But I didn't saw anything out of the ordinary in the logs and there was still no network
[08:57] <Hepe> Unit193: So yea, it indeed looks like it's running.
[08:59] <alvin> Why would the kernel use the old driver? Does this has something to do with initramfs? My kernel knowledge comes from easier times. Where things like initramfs were not needed.
[09:01] <alvin> (I don't miss things like configuring xorg.conf, but when I tried to configure a kernel a few months ago, after years of using a distro-maintained one, I noticed this has become quite a complex task.)
[09:03] <ikonia> alvin: personally I'd reset it back to default 14.04 and work it forward
[09:03] <alvin> Anyway. There's network and it's apparently the default driver. I have no idea why it works or didn't work before, but I can get back to work :-)
[09:07] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:09] <alvin> Right. It's still morning. Time to fetch the first coffee of the day.
[09:09] <lordievader> That's a good idea.
[09:37] <ankit_kde> hi all
[09:40] <lordievader> o/
[11:07] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:29] <aoa_> i update manual kernel to 3.17.0 ( Deb package ) . everything is fine but only problem is here . when i run VM from virtualbox ,VM dosen't boot and get error
[12:29] <aoa_> http://i60.tinypic.com/jqtau0.jpg
[12:31] <lordievader> aoa_: You've updated the kernel and forgot to install the vbox kernel driver. By the by, it is not recommended to install 3rd party kernels.
[12:33] <aoa_> i know that but i have bug on driver video card https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1374581 . when i update kernel the bug is fixed .
[14:37] <iroh234_> I have used Precise since it came out and rwould like to ugrade with a clean install.  Muon catalogued the programs I have installed over the last couple of years. Some installed programs like Pale Moon were installed by using tar.gz and do not show up.  Is there a command either through Muon or the CLI to find out what these installed programs might be?
[14:41] <genii> iroh234_: Unfortunately, no. Although if they have a sane installation they will use directories which are different from where the system keeps it's binaries. So to look in places like /usr/local   and /opt
[14:43] <iroh234_> genii: thanks that is helpful.  I can do that.  next time i will keep a list  :)
[14:48] <genii> iroh234_: There are some other ways to poke around for the info, like checking your bash history file for the names of the files you manually installed
[14:52] <iroh234_> genii: i was experimenting with Bleachbit and wiped out a bunch of stuff like that i wish was still there like the bash history.  But i found everything in not in opt in /etc/apparmor.d/local/.
[14:57] <iroh234_> genii: or at least everthing that i remember. i am not very bright sometimes. Most of those programs I tinkered with and forgot, and will not be reinstalling them. Thank you for your help.
[14:58] <genii> iroh234_: No problem. Good luck with the upgrade!
[14:59] <iroh234_> Thanks, I left MS for Kubuntu and never looked back. It has been a great experience.
[14:59] <iroh234_> Thanks, I left MS for Kubuntu and never looked back. It has been a great experience.
[14:59] <iroh234_> sorry about the double post.
[15:15] <Malsasa> Hello. I am using Ubuntu 12.04 with KDE 4.10. I can't change my keyboard layout. Specifically, I have added many layout such as Arabic, Japanese, Greek, Hebrew, etc. I have new layout indicator on the panel then. Then, when I switch, any text written will always be Latin US. No Arabic, no Kanji, no Greek. Is there any package I should install first? I installed KDE from kde-standard.
[15:21] <genii> Malsasa: Are the language-pack-kde-<country-code-here>    and kde-l10n-<country-code-here>  files installed for the languages you've chosen?
[15:22] <Malsasa> genii: let me check first.
[15:23] <Malsasa> genii: dpkg -l tell me I have no such package installed.
[15:24] <Malsasa> genii: so, is this my source of problem?
[15:24] <genii> Malsasa: Could be part of it. Right now I'm just at the information-finding point here
[15:25] <Malsasa> genii: yes, I understand. I will do it.
[15:25] <genii> Should also see if you have fonts for any of those languages installed
[15:29] <Malsasa> genii: i've installed both. Should I reboot?
[15:30] <genii> Malsasa: That's probably the simplest, yes.
[15:30] <Malsasa> genii: affirmative. Thank you.
[15:43]  * genii makes more coffee
[16:08] <EvilRoey> hey all
[16:08] <EvilRoey> Riddell:  hola
[16:08] <Riddell> hola chico
[16:08] <EvilRoey> :)  Jonathan,
[16:09] <EvilRoey> can I connect a monitor to my Intel motherboard's graphics port, another monitor to the video card's port, and have X display them as two screens for the same session?
[16:11] <genii> Usually.
[16:28] <jamil_1> hi all, I just upgraded from kubuntu 12.04 to 14.04. Now none of my password protected basket notes are opening.  I'm still having trouble installing a synaptics driver to enable / disable my touchpad
[18:52] <nicco__> !list
[19:03] <bprompt> Bomber_:     hmm..... you mean... as in trying to use the [fn] key on the keyboard?    I use touchpad-indicator, works peachy for that, if my mouse is plugged in, disables the touchpad, if not, is ON
[19:03] <bprompt> Bomber_:     touchpad-indicator is in the repositories
[19:03] <Bomber_> nice!
[19:04] <Bomber_> ugh..
[19:04] <Bomber_> ok, not apt-get..
[19:05] <Bomber_> got it
[19:05] <Bomber_> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:atareao/atareao
[19:05] <Bomber_> sudo apt-get update
[19:05] <Bomber_> sudo apt-get install touchpad-indicator
[19:08] <Bomber_> i gat et!!!
[19:08] <Bomber_> now what?
[19:08] <TheFakeazneD525> !bot
[19:11] <bprompt> Bomber_:     well... run it :)   and configure its "preferences"
[19:12] <Bomber_> I'm lame....touchpad-indicator: command not found
[19:13] <bprompt> Bomber_:    usually   Preferences > Actions >  disable when mouse ...  and under General Options > autostart
[19:13] <bprompt> Bomber_:    sounds like it didn't install
[19:13] <Bomber_> huh.......?
[19:13] <Bomber_> but..
[19:13] <Bomber_> it did... :(
[19:14] <Bomber_> Setting up python3-pyudev (0.16.1-2build1) ...
[19:14] <Bomber_> Setting up touchpad-indicator (1.0.4-0extras14.04.1) ...
[19:14] <bprompt> hmm
[19:15] <bprompt> Bomber_:      run a ->  sudo apt-get check;     and then a ->   sudo dpkg --configure -a;    to make sure it was fully configured
[19:15] <Bomber_> sudo apt-get check touchpad-indicator?
[19:15] <bprompt> nope.... just check
[19:16] <Bomber_> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[19:16] <bprompt> is just a way to "check" if apt-get has any missing libs listed or sometihng is off
[19:16] <Bomber_> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[19:16] <Bomber_> I got some other update process running in the background right now, so that might be it
[19:16] <bprompt> Bomber_:     check with htop    or just "top"   it'd be listed there
[19:17] <bprompt> the daemon may be running..... but you can run the GUI with just touchpad-indicator
[19:18] <Bomber_> i don't....se it...
[19:18] <bprompt> Bomber_:      the icon?    I think the default is not show
[19:18] <bprompt> the daemon may be running..... but you can run the GUI with just touchpad-indicator
[19:18] <Bomber_> what icon..?i'm using the konsole
[19:19] <bprompt> ok..... so    try "touchpad-indicator"     does it run?
[19:19] <Bomber_> it's not a command
[19:20] <Bomber_> and check now passed
[19:20] <Bomber_> i did the dpkg. nothing changed
[19:21] <bprompt> sounds like it didn't install...... does it show under Muon Package Manager as installed?
[19:23] <Bomber_> no...
[19:23] <Bomber_> btw, instead of Moun i have Synaptics
[19:23] <bprompt> tis ok...it'll show on either as installed if so, I use synaptics mostly btw, but I have both
[19:30] <Bomber_> ok, it is installed..
[19:30] <Bomber_> but it still won't run..
[19:34] <bprompt> hmmm
[19:34] <bprompt> what if you try it at the Run box in kde?
[19:38] <Bomber> ohhh
[19:38] <Bomber> bprompt: I already had it installed
[19:38] <Bomber> and the GUI is running
[19:38] <Bomber> but it says i'm missing the synaptics driver
[19:38] <Bomber> but it is installed
[19:38] <Bomber> but it's just not loading.
[19:39] <bprompt> hmmm
[19:39] <bprompt> Bomber:    I'd think apt-get check;   would had shown that :/
[19:40] <bprompt> Bomber:   I assume if you do a -> sudo apt-get -f install;   gives nothing?
[19:40] <Bomber> yeah, nm, you're right
[19:40] <Bomber> i've confused between the regular touchpad and the indicator version one
[19:41] <Bomber> some libraries to autoremove, nothing more
[19:41] <bprompt> ohh ok
[19:46] <Bomber> umm...
[19:46] <Bomber> am i supposed to have an accesories folder in my launcher in 14.04?
[19:50] <bprompt> hmmm dunno... you can always edit kwin menu you know....just right-click on the "K" and click on edit, or you can always just run "kmenuedit"
[20:45] <gaysexsf> hi
[21:14] <archetech> kio 5.3.0 stops upgrade on 14.10 next with kcm_trash.so  is also a pkg in 4:5.0.95?
[21:15] <soee> yup
[21:16] <soee> plasma 5.2 final is going to be packaged soon so this should be fixed since than
[21:16] <soee> *5.1
[21:17] <archetech> is there a force command I can try?
[21:22] <archetech> trying sudo ap-get install -f
[21:30] <soee> archetech: yeah sudo apt-get -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install PACKAGE_NAME
[21:52] <archetech> soee  thanks


[05:30] <BigWhale> Good morning.
[05:38] <pitti> desrt: ah, will lower the dep, and also check in autogen.sh if lcov is installed
[05:38] <pitti> Good morning
[05:45] <pitti> desrt: fixed both
[06:20] <didrocks> good morning
[06:22] <TheMuso> Hey didrocks
[06:22] <TheMuso> didrocks:
[06:22] <didrocks> hey TheMuso! How are you?
[06:22] <TheMuso> didrocks: Quick question before I dart off for EOW, what list should I email if I want to discuss something of a technical nature to do with Unity? This will be a cross-DE message to several lists...
[06:22] <TheMuso> didrocks: Not too bad thanks, yourself?
[06:24] <didrocks> TheMuso: I'm good, but tired (waited until 1AM to get some package built in a ppa for experimenting some script, and launchpad was telling at 9PM "15 minutes remaining before starting building…"). so short night (it's 7:30 now)
[06:24] <didrocks> TheMuso: I think, it should be the unity-devel ML
[06:24] <TheMuso> Ok thanks.
[06:24] <TheMuso> And that sucks for not a lot of sleep.
[06:24] <didrocks> TheMuso: https://launchpad.net/~unity-dev
[06:24] <didrocks> well, it's Friday, will be better this week-end :)
[06:25] <TheMuso> Yep indeed, thanks again.
[06:25] <didrocks> I just wish launchpad was more accurate in its estimation of time before building :)
[06:25] <didrocks> yw!
[06:25] <TheMuso> Yeah I've been annoyed by that too.
[08:51] <rodrigo_> mvo, any chance you know why I get an 'invalid protocol of the server' in quantal when using AddVendorKeyFromServer's aptdaemon method?
[08:52] <mvo> rodrigo_: uh, no - that sounds odd, could you paste/mail me the command/code you used?
[08:52] <rodrigo_> mvo, the same code works on precise
[08:53] <rodrigo_> ret = g_dbus_proxy_call_sync (pmu->priv->apt_proxy, "AddVendorKeyFromKeyserver",
[08:53] <rodrigo_> 					g_variant_new ("(ss)", "0x3b22ab97af1cdfa9", "keyserver.ubuntu.com"),
[08:53] <rodrigo_> 					G_DBUS_CALL_FLAGS_NONE,
[08:53] <rodrigo_> 					-1,
[08:53] <rodrigo_> 					NULL,
[08:53] <rodrigo_> 					&error);
[08:54] <rodrigo_> googling about the error got me to this: https://code.launchpad.net/~vorlon/ubuntu/quantal/aptdaemon/py3/+merge/109981
[08:54] <rodrigo_> not sure though how that fixes it, still looking...
[08:56] <mightyiam> since empathy now recommends gnome-contacts, is that on purpose?
[09:12] <mightyiam> good mooorniiinnnnnng
[09:19] <didrocks> hey pitti! Do you know if multiarch is handled for typelib? like ./usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/girepository-1.0/Dee-1.0.typelib
[09:21] <seb128> hey desktopers
[09:21] <mightyiam> hey seb128
[09:22] <seb128> hey mightyiam, didrocks, pitti
[09:22] <didrocks> hey seb128
[09:25] <pitti> didrocks: no, I don't think it is right now
[09:25] <pitti> hey seb128, ça va?
[09:25] <seb128> pitti, lut, ouais, et toi ?
[09:26] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, confirming, thanks :)
[09:29] <pitti> seb128: trés bien, merci!
[09:33] <seb128> pitti, do you have any plan to make g-i look in both multi-arch and standard dir for typelib?
[09:33] <seb128> or would it be harder than just teach those to look in both locations?
[09:33] <pitti> seb128: the request didn't come up so far; no, it doesn't sound very hard
[09:34] <pitti> it already supports multiple directories with $GI_TYPELIB_PATH
[09:34] <pitti> so it's mostly some autoconf glue
[09:35] <seb128> pitti, want a bug asking for it? on what component?
[09:35] <pitti> seb128: I'm wondering if we need that upstream (then glib/introspection, which is g-i)
[09:35] <pitti> or whether it's a distro change only, in which case it should be a Debian bug
[09:37] <pitti> but I guess we want to change all gir1.2-* packages in Debian eventually to use the multiarch path
[09:37] <pitti> and fall back to the non-multiarch one
[09:37] <pitti> so I think, Debian bug for now
[09:38] <seb128> pitti, ok, thanks
[09:39] <pitti> seb128: asking in #introspection where other distros place their's
[09:39] <mightyiam> i can't log in in raring. lightdm. get thrown back to lightdm. bug #1076777
[09:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1076777 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "Get thrown back to lightdm right after trying to log in" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1076777
[09:41] <mightyiam> i'm quite sure it didn't upload the relevant log files because i filed against lightdm. can you please tell me which logs to add? or which package to set apport loose upon?
[09:42] <seb128> pitti, danke
[09:42] <seb128> mightyiam, try to log in, get bounced back to lightdm, ctrl-alt-f1, log in, copy .xsession-errors
[09:42] <Laney> moning
[09:42] <seb128> it should have the infos
[09:42] <seb128> Laney, hey
[09:42] <Laney> we broke logging in? :-)
[09:43] <pitti> WFM
[09:43] <Laney> "I swear I typed my password"
[09:43] <Laney> xnox was reporting it last night too
[09:43] <seb128> Laney, you are having issues as well?
[09:43]  * Laney reads scrollback
[09:43] <Laney> yeah
[09:43] <seb128> weird
[09:43] <seb128> what desktop do you use?
[09:43] <Laney> unity
[09:44] <seb128> what mightyiam described seems like "session doesn't start/exit"
[09:44] <seb128> xsession-errors should have details
[09:44] <pitti> seb128: ok, distro-side only for now
[09:44] <Laney> no, that's just got something about gpg-agent
[09:44] <Laney> let me check Xorg.0.log
[09:45] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1076787
[09:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1076787 in pyopencl (Ubuntu Raring) "GLX error: Can not get required symbols" [High,Fix released]
[09:46] <Laney> so it did turn out to be about gpg-agent
[09:46] <Laney> wtf ...
[09:46] <Laney> let me try that
[09:46] <Laney> yeah, works
[09:47] <seb128> Laney, what did you change?
[09:47] <Laney> mv .gnupg .gnupg-old
[09:48] <seb128> wth?
[09:49] <seb128> mightyiam, ^ you might want to try that
[09:49] <Laney> gpg-agent[2807]: Fatal: can't register GNU Pth with Libgcrypt: Not supported
[09:49] <Laney> that's the error in xsession-errors
[09:49] <seb128> it's stupid that exit the session
[09:50] <seb128> yet another Xsession script issue I guess, those are so hackish
[09:50] <Laney> looks like libgcrypt11 indeed did get an upload on the 7th
[09:52] <seb128> gpg-agent is not installed by default right?
[09:53] <mightyiam> that's that, seb128 Laney
[09:54] <Laney> no i dont think so
[09:55] <mightyiam> sigh i have my desktop back
[09:55] <Laney> that's a bad thing? :-)
[09:56]  * seb128 pets gnome-keyring
[09:56] <seb128> not having that issue with my gpg agent :p
[09:56] <Laney> reverting libgcrypt11 works
[09:56] <Laney> now where's my pitchfork?
[09:58] <mightyiam> it was a relief sigh
[09:58] <mightyiam> i thought those were legitimate
[09:59] <pitti> seb128: "pats" :)
[09:59] <xclaesse> seb128, sometimes xchat-gnome keeps its "1" notification for unread msg, even after I've read it
[10:00] <seb128> pitti, doh :p
[10:00] <seb128> pitti, thanks ;-)
[10:00] <xclaesse> seb128, is that known?
[10:00] <pitti> seb128: de rien :)
[10:00] <xclaesse> the "1" bubble on the launcher icon I mean
[10:00] <seb128> xclaesse, it might, does it happen when you focus xchat yourself (not using the indicator) and the unread is on the active channel?
[10:01] <seb128> xclaesse, do you have a corresponding entry in the messaging menu?
[10:01] <xclaesse> seb128, could be that, I did not pay attention
[10:01] <seb128> xclaesse, does it go away if you select the entry in the indicator?
[10:02] <xclaesse> seb128, yes
[10:02] <xclaesse> hmm, actually could be an highlighted msg from my bip backlog
[10:02] <seb128> xclaesse, ok, yes, known issue in xchat-indicator (the xchat plugin), I didn't have time to debug it
[10:03] <xclaesse> and xchat does not always set the correct icon on that chan
[10:03]  * xclaesse will try to be sure of the steps next time it happens :)
[10:03] <xclaesse> thanks
[10:56] <didrocks> mvo: hey, I still have precise in my private-ppa.launchpad.net_commercial-ppa* files, if I change them to quantal, would my credential would still be fine?
[10:59] <Sweetshark> jcastro_: ping?
[11:00] <mvo> didrocks: yes
[11:00] <didrocks> mvo: sweetness! thanks :)
[12:08] <pitti> hm, today's totem update seems bad
[12:08] <pitti> I just see a white screen when playing videos now
[12:08] <pitti> so much for entertainment during lunch break :)
[12:11] <seb128> pitti, what version do you have?
[12:13] <Sweetshark> seb128: could you help out at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1064962/comments/100 ?
[12:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1064962 in indicator-appmenu (Ubuntu Quantal) "[SRU] Global menubar items do not work when opening a document directly from nautilus with no LibreOffice instance running" [High,Confirmed]
[12:13] <Sweetshark> seb128: its nonsense to forwardport LibreOffice 3.6 to raring, when we ship 3.7/4.0 there.
[12:13] <seb128> Sweetshark, I will talk to the SRU guys
[12:14] <Sweetshark> seb128: thx
[12:14] <pitti> seb128: 3.4.3-0ubuntu6
[12:14] <seb128> Sweetshark, pinged them on #ubuntu-devel, it's a bit early for the US guys though
[12:14] <seb128> pitti, ok, so new cogl/clutter issue I guess... *fun*
[12:15] <seb128> pitti, the only recent change to totem was to rebuild with the new cogl soname
[12:20] <ricotz> Sweetshark, hi, btw, i wouldnt call uploading 3.6.3 to raring non-sense!
[12:27]  * didrocks understood how the archive object is behaving in launchpad, phew! :)
[12:28] <seb128> didrocks, blog about it so the knowledge is shared! ;-)
[12:29] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128, how are you?
[12:29] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey, I'm good! how are you?
[12:29] <didrocks> seb128: well, I need to find time and not to turn all my workarounds as rant :)
[12:29] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, not too bad thanks
[12:32] <pitti> seb128: well, I saw BBT 6x07 in exchange :)
[12:33] <pitti> didrocks: ^ awesome again, btw!
[12:33] <seb128> pitti, ;-)
[12:33] <seb128> pitti, hum, "again"? they dropped the awesomeness at some point?
[12:33] <pitti> seb128: no, more like "as always"
[12:33] <seb128> cool
[12:34] <didrocks> pitti: this is for tonight :)
[12:50] <ricotz> hey desktopers
[12:50] <ricotz> seb128, hi, do you mind taking a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsecret/+bug/1073269
[12:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1073269 in libsecret (Ubuntu) "Make libsecret actually multiarch" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[12:51] <seb128> ricotz, hey, I've been letting it to somebody who understands multiarch enough to have an opinion
[12:52] <ricotz> hmm, i see :\
[12:52] <ricotz> this is a real issue though
[12:52] <Laney> ricotz: I'll look
[12:53] <Laney> is it in Debian yet?
[12:53] <ricotz> Laney, thanks!
[12:53] <ricotz> Laney, i pushed it in the svn as 0.11-2
[12:53] <ricotz> but it isnt uploaded yet
[12:53] <Laney> ok
[12:53] <Laney> looks like the package there is missing Vcs headers fyi
[12:53] <Laney> I don't think you should have Pre-Depended on the -dev package which isn't MA enabled
[12:55] <desrt> pitti: thanks :D
[12:55] <desrt> pitti: my jhbuild is grateful
[12:55] <ricotz> Laney, ok, if you are fine with it please upload it
[12:56] <Laney> # Disable tests as they don't work for some reason
[12:56] <Laney> classy
[12:59] <seb128> Laney, is that libsecret?
[12:59] <Laney> yeah
[12:59] <seb128> yeah, if somebody want to figure why you are welcome
[12:59] <Laney> they are at least run
[13:56] <pitti> Vcs-Bzr: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/unity-firefox-extension/ubuntu
[13:56] <pitti> this is waaaay behind
[13:56] <pitti> didrocks, kenvandine: ^ using UDD for this now?
[13:56] <pitti> I'm currently looking at the failed autopkgtests
[13:56] <kenvandine> pitti, yes
[13:56] <kenvandine> but that is all going to change :)
[13:56] <pitti> ah, I'll drop Vcs-Bzr then
[13:56] <kenvandine> moving the packaging into trunk
[13:56] <kenvandine> thx
[13:57] <pitti> Most recent Ubuntu version: 2.3.5-0ubuntu1
[13:57] <pitti> Packaging branch version: 2.3.2-0ubuntu1
[13:57] <pitti> Packaging branch status: OUT-OF-DATE
[13:57] <pitti> meh
[13:57] <pitti> so, bye-bye bzr
[13:57] <kenvandine> thx pitti
[13:58] <kenvandine> for some reason i stopped getting those messages on checkout
[13:58] <kenvandine> i wonder why
[14:00] <pitti> there, passing now \o/
[14:00]  * pitti chalks up the 8th test fixed today
[14:24] <seb128_> pitti, do you plan to sponsor https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pango1.0/+bug/1073637 (you commented on it)?
[14:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1073637 in pango1.0 (Ubuntu) "libpango1.0-dev needs a compile/link/run test" [Undecided,In progress]
[14:25] <pitti> seb128_: I asked Rafal to forward the patches to Debian
[14:25] <seb128_> ok
[14:25] <pitti> seb128_: but I'm patch piloting next Monday and will get to them then
[14:25] <pitti> (and forward them myself if he didn't yet)
[14:25] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[14:25] <pitti> actually, for pango in particualr I can just commit them, it's pkg-gnome
[14:26] <desrt> pitti: when you're doing your testing stuff are you spinning up a fresh vm each time or a pbuilder or what?
[14:27] <pitti> desrt: I'm using prepare-testbed to build a pristine VM (about once every one or two days), and then run-adt-test, which will do the "temporary overlay" thing
[14:27] <desrt> makes sense
[14:27] <pitti> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~auto-package-testing-dev/auto-package-testing/trunk/view/head:/doc/USAGE.md
[14:27] <pitti> desrt: ^ the docs
[14:27] <pitti> so it's "prepare-testbed amd64" to build a raring amd64 VM
[14:28] <pitti> and "run-adt-test -k apport" to run current apport autopkgtest, but keep (-k) the VM around afterwards for debugging
[14:28] <pitti> then you can ssh in and poke around
[14:28] <pitti> but have all the dependencies etc. installed
[14:29] <desrt> i'm considering that maybe i want to start doing this for my jhbuilding
[14:29] <desrt> do you copy git mirrors in or do you just do a fresh checkout each time?
[14:33] <pitti> desrt: err, this is for autopkgtest
[14:33] <pitti> desrt: are you now talking jhbuild?
[14:34] <desrt> ah.  i see.
[14:34] <desrt> i thought you were building out of upstream git for your tests
[14:34] <desrt> you're just following the packages?
[14:34] <pitti> desrt: BTW, j'aime code-coverage :)
[14:34] <desrt> :)
[14:35] <pitti> desrt: I committed a huge set of missing tests to pygobject this morning, which uncovered a handful of bugs
[14:35] <desrt> test coverage is sexy
[14:35] <pitti> desrt: if you mean that, the jhbuild machines don't currently use the plumbing stuff from git (like OSTree)
[14:35] <pitti> just what's in our packages
[14:35] <desrt> i see
[14:35] <pitti> at some point we want to marry these, though
[14:35] <desrt> but they're still jhbuilding, right?
[14:35] <pitti> stuff like polkit is in jhbuild
[14:36] <pitti> but e. g. systemd, udisks etc. isn't
[14:36] <desrt> ya... that's been causing me all kinds of trouble this morning
[14:36] <desrt> polkit needs setuid helpers... which jhbuild is not so good about installing properly
[14:36] <desrt> even after fixing them, though, something's not working right
[14:37] <desrt> in any case i have a reasonably decent setup going on, so i'm happy
[14:37] <desrt> and more confident to continue with my massive amounts of glib breaking :)
[14:37] <desrt> (since i will be able to see the effect pretty quick)
[14:38] <pitti> desrt: do you have a good way of running a full gnome session (with shell etc.) out of jhbuild?
[14:38] <desrt> pitti: i have a way
[14:38] <desrt> i don't know if i'd yet call it a "good way" :)
[14:38] <pitti> selecting "GNOME (jhbuild)" in gdm/lightdm would be awesome
[14:38] <jbicha> yeah, udisks not being in jhbuild is annoying; it makes it more annoying to test gnome-disk-utility for instance
[14:39] <desrt> ya.  that's whati do.
[14:39] <pitti> well, I guess one could still run the fallback session in xephyr
[14:39] <desrt> i think it's called "jhbuild GNOME 3.8 2011-11-09" though :)
[14:41] <desrt> what's nice is that i build on precise and run on quantal
[14:41] <desrt> and that seems to be OK
[14:46] <mpt> chrisccoulson, hi, did you think further about making globalmenu-extension part of the ubuntu-menu-bar project group?
[14:47] <chrisccoulson> mpt, oh, i thought i'd replied and said that was fine?
[14:47] <mpt> chrisccoulson, yes, but I noticed you hadn't done it yet :-)
[14:48] <chrisccoulson> ah, yes :)
[14:54] <chrisccoulson> mpt, ok, done now
[14:55] <mpt> chrisccoulson, thank you :-)
[16:49] <Sweetshark> seb128: ping?
[16:58] <seb128> Sweetshark, pong
[17:06] <Sweetshark> seb128: for the boost SRU (which is in raring right now), should I do a minimal diff against the quantal version, or can we take the raring version as is to quantal?
[17:06] <seb128> Sweetshark, the minimal diff is better
[17:06] <Sweetshark> there are IIRC two other minor fixes to it in raring.
[17:06] <Sweetshark> l
[17:07] <Sweetshark> k
[17:07] <mpt> seb128, hey, I was just trying to test <https://code.launchpad.net/~mdspencer/ubuntu/raring/software-properties/fix-for-1058059/+merge/133130> like you did, but unlike you I see no change at all. I'm using "./software-properties-gtk" inside the branch directory. Any idea what I might be doing wrong?
[17:08] <mpt> seb128, I get the same even when giving an absolute path, too.
[17:08] <seb128> mpt, sudo cp data/gtkbuilder/main.ui /usr/share/software-properties/gtkbuilder/main.ui
[17:08] <seb128> mpt, I guess
[17:08] <seb128> mpt, sudo apt-get install --reinstall software-properties-gtk then to go back to stock Ubuntu
[17:09] <seb128> mpt, the change is in the gtkbuilder file and I don't think it will load the "from source" version
[17:09] <mpt> fun
[17:09] <seb128> indeed...
[17:10] <mpt> thanks seb128
[17:11] <seb128> mpt, yw, does that work?
[17:11] <mpt> sure does
[17:11] <seb128> good
[17:14] <seb128> mpt, http://ubuntuone.com/1at4c2WX5nRLSuBhAHv8l9
[17:14] <seb128> mpt, that's the french version, it might look different from the english one due to the long label at the bottom
[17:15] <seb128> can't try in C locale there
[17:15]  * seb128 looks at mvo
[17:15] <seb128>   File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/softwareproperties/AptAuth.py", line 77, in list
[17:15] <seb128>     for line in p:
[17:15] <seb128>   File "/usr/lib/python3.2/encodings/ascii.py", line 26, in decode
[17:15] <seb128>     return codecs.ascii_decode(input, self.errors)[0]
[17:15] <seb128> UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc5 in position 1782: ordinal not in range(128)
[17:15] <seb128>
[17:15] <seb128> (hate unicode)
[17:15] <didrocks> (+1)
[17:16] <mpt> seb128, he's updated the branch since then.
[17:16] <seb128> mpt, oh, ok
[17:17] <seb128> mpt, let me check
[17:24] <seb128> mpt, thanks for the review/approval
[17:25] <Sweetshark> you all stop using launchpad right now! Since one week I try to update my bprints and everytime I just get timeouts on my homepage
[17:31] <seb128> mpt, that dialog is weird looking :-(
[17:32] <mpt> seb128, in what way?
[17:32] <seb128> mpt, http://ubuntuone.com/4OKw8F6SPeD9k5p1hREvNC
[17:33] <seb128> mpt, lot of space on the right, lot of space on the left then
[17:33] <seb128> it's like unaligned blocks
[17:33] <mpt> hmm
[17:33] <seb128> mpt, you think it's an improvement this way over unaligned combos and stuff filling the screen?
[17:33] <seb128> having the space taken was looking less "weird" to me
[17:34] <seb128> but it's maybe a matter of taste
[17:34] <mpt> seb128, I was just about to say, it would have been just as weird before, just the weirdness scattered over more places :-)
[17:34] <mpt> I hadn't realized that string is so long in French
[17:34] <seb128> mpt, that's why I gave you the first screenshot btw (for the long french string)
[17:34] <seb128> well I guess it look better in english
[17:35] <seb128> or locales with don't have a long string to push things this way
[17:37] <mpt> seb128, hm, that seems a bit over-long, though. The English is "Notify me of a new Ubuntu version:", and the French looks like "Notify me when a new version of Ubuntu is available:", right?
[17:37] <seb128> right
[17:38] <seb128> be "notify of something" doesn't really work in french
[17:38] <seb128> we say "notify me when $something happen"
[17:38] <seb128> be->but
[17:39] <mpt> ok
[17:39] <seb128> the variants I can think about are all about the same length
[17:41] <seb128> well I guess we would use a "Prévenir des nouvelles versions d'Ubuntu"
[17:41] <seb128> that sounds a bit weird though
[17:41] <seb128> mpt, I will upload the change and take the french string to the french translators
[17:41] <seb128> mpt, thanks ;-)
[17:43] <seb128> mpt, I guess one way to fix the weirdness would also to replace the checkboxes by the combo that is in the design document ;-)
[17:45] <mpt> seb128, that would get rid of one of the two gaps, at least
[18:08] <qengho> Attention developers: When I put the mouse cursor on the Wifi signal strenghth and scroll-wheel up, it should make internet better.  kthx.
[21:24] <Sweetshark> anyone here able to nominate 1017125 for quantal? thx.
[21:28] <Sweetshark> disregard that. already happened