[00:44] <ScottK> Riddell: AFAIK we have the latest and greatest re sip4/pyqt, so it's upstream's issue AIUI.
[05:48] <ScottK> Riddell or whoever pulls the trigger on 4.11.2: I just uploaded a libkdcraw security update to Saucy (it's in bzr).  Please make sure the 4.11.2 package is updated for it.
[06:03] <soee> good morning
[07:35] <smartboyhw> Riddell, have you reviewed and uploaded kqoauth for me?
[07:46] <smartboyhw> Hmm, it looks like we can just sync/merge from Debian.....
[07:46] <smartboyhw> (For Digikam 3.4.0)
[07:48] <smartboyhw> Merging looks a bit terrible:O
[07:48] <smartboyhw> yofel, what would you recommend? Merge or sync?
[07:49] <smartboyhw> (I need to get a Riddell FFe first though_
[07:49]  * smartboyhw tries building the debian 3.4.0 in Ubuntu Saucy pbuilder
[07:58] <smartboyhw> Ow ow, merge needed
[08:01] <smartboyhw> (Saw our specific patches)
[08:08] <smartboyhw> Sigh, UIFe(s)...
[08:10] <smartboyhw> Question: Why didn't I see any mails in ubuntu-doc and ubuntu-translators archives about UIFe and DocStringFe(s)!?
[08:10] <smartboyhw> I thought every single UI change needs to notify them (and don't tell me there were none)
[09:27] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yeah I uploaded koauth, sorry thought you'd get notification
[09:28] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ack it then please
[09:28] <smartboyhw> (Still in queue)
[09:41] <ScottK> smartboyhw: Can you update libkdcraw in ninjas based on the upload I did to saucy last night?  It's in bzr.
[09:41] <smartboyhw> ScottK, eh, busy with digikam here
[10:17] <Riddell> ScottK: I'll get it, looks like 4.11.2 is public to upload now too
[11:11] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[11:11] <Riddell> it's... lordievader!
[11:12] <lordievader> Hey Riddell, how are you doing?
[11:13] <Riddell> I'm lovely thanks lordievader, how are you?
[11:14] <lordievader> I'm doing good too :)
[11:17] <Riddell> random e-mail du jour http://paste.kde.org/p276dad90/
[11:17] <Riddell> anything think we want to remake the UI to be like windows 8?
[11:20] <lordievader> Please don't, it would be a sad day the day Kubuntu becomes a Win8 clone. Why does everybody seem the hate the traditional desktop view nowadays... :(
[11:29] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:18] <smartboyhw> Damn Digikam 3.4.0 build failures
[12:22] <smartboyhw> Eh!?
[12:23] <smartboyhw> http://paste.kde.org/p9099e567/ (I have a corrupted QZeitgeist, or?)
[12:24] <rdieter> smartboyhw: your phonon library was built with zqeitgeist support, but didn't link it
[12:24] <smartboyhw> Mmmmmmmmmm
[12:25] <Riddell> digikam can't find qzeitgeist is the problem
[12:26] <rdieter> libphonon shouldn't have undefined symbols, imo
[12:26] <Riddell> mm yes
[12:26] <smartboyhw> mmmmmmmmm
[12:26] <Riddell> apachelogger: libphonon breakage?
[12:31] <rdieter> not sure how that could happen, phonon/CMakeLists.txt has target_link_libraries(phonon ${QZEITGEIST_LIBRARY})
[12:31] <rdieter> looking @ https://projects.kde.org/projects/kdesupport/phonon/phonon/repository/revisions/4.6/entry/phonon/CMakeLists.txt
[12:31] <Riddell> hmm we don't build phonon with zeitgeist at all
[12:31] <rdieter> ok, it's wrapped in if (QZEITGEIST_FOUND)
[12:32] <rdieter> so question is how did smartboyhw's phonon get it (and only half way)
[12:32] <Riddell> so maybe digikam is finding qzeitgeist and making the assumption that phonon is built with it?
[12:32] <rdieter> smartboyhw's log is about his installed libphonon, I don't think digikam has anything to do with it
[12:33] <Riddell> the log he pasted is a build from digikam http://paste.kde.org/p9099e567/
[12:33] <rdieter> and, /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libphonon.so.4: undefined reference to `QZeitgeist::DataModel::Subject::Subject(QZeitgeist::DataModel::Subject const&)'
[12:34] <rdieter> I hope digikam's build doesn't touch or create /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libphonon.so.4
[12:34] <Riddell> smartboyhw: you're using the packaged libphonon right? not complied your own at all have you?
[12:37] <Riddell> while you're being useful rdieter, seen any issues with kubrick on arm?
[12:37] <Riddell> fails here https://launchpadlibrarian.net/152029698/buildlog_ubuntu-saucy-armhf.kubrick_4%3A4.11.2-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[12:39] <rdieter> no, it builds ok on armv7 for us
[12:41] <Riddell> ah, it's GL probably needs some playing about to get it egl or non-gl "/usr/include/GL/gl.h:162:17: error: 'GLdouble' has a previous declaration as 'typedef double GLdouble'"
[12:42] <rdieter> nod, I don't think we're using egl yet (on arm)
[12:43] <Riddell> lucky you, qtwebkit is quite mysteriously broken because of it
[12:43] <rdieter> eww
[12:45] <Riddell> ScottK: sweet, got python plugins working in kate, needs -DPYTHON_LIBRARY set explicitly, so I agree it's a problem somewhere in kate or sip or pyqt or something setting a wrong variable
[12:46] <rdieter> Riddell: conflicting definitions for GLintptr (and friends), I *think* the problem is QtOpenGL is supposed to load gles *or* gl headers, but not both
[12:48] <rdieter> or maybe kubrick is hard-coding something
[12:48] <Riddell> rdieter: yeah looks like we build-dep on libglu1-mesa-dev when it should be libgles2-mesa-dev on arm if kubrick supports it, or not at all
[12:49] <Riddell> a good excuse to try out this handy arm board I have set up :)
[12:58] <smartboyhw> Riddell, should be packaged version
[13:02] <Riddell> smartboyhw: does this produce only a couple of lines?  strings /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libphonon.so.4 | grep -i zeit
[13:04] <smartboyhw> Riddell, http://paste.kde.org/pbb352032/
[13:05] <Riddell> smartboyhw: that's very different from me
[13:05] <smartboyhw> ;O
[13:05] <Riddell> smartboyhw: can you try a  sudo apt-get install --reinstall libphonon4 and run that grep again?
[13:06] <smartboyhw> Riddell, same output?
[13:13] <Riddell> smartboyhw: not so here, this makes no sense
[13:13] <Riddell> smartboyhw: want an ec2 to build digikam on?
[13:13] <smartboyhw> :O
[13:14] <Riddell> or you could make a chroot
[13:14] <smartboyhw> Riddell, sigh, I would want to build it in my pbuilder to check then......
[13:21] <smartboyhw> My bandwidth is superbly busted today-.-
[13:44]  * Riddell blogs http://blogs.kde.org/2013/10/01/artists-daily-builds-krita
[13:45] <markey> I was pretty amazed by Ingo's Krita painting: https://plus.google.com/u/0/105460136951364599782/posts/BbmUzujnnoX
[13:47] <Riddell> beautiful
[13:47] <smartboyhw> Well, those guys are brilliant artists
[13:48] <smartboyhw> I suck at art, unfortunately
[13:48] <smartboyhw> (That is my worst subject at school, undeniably)
[13:49] <Riddell> just use krita :)
[13:50] <smartboyhw> Riddell, unfortunately, most of our artwork is to be done by hand
[13:51] <Riddell> gosh, how quaint
[13:51] <smartboyhw> That's why I suck:P
[13:52] <lordievader> Riddell: The phone support is it parth of the commercial support by EmergeOpen?
[13:52] <lordievader> part*
[13:53] <Riddell> lordievader: yes
[13:53] <Riddell> lordievader: it's more than phone it's any communication method you want
[13:53] <Riddell> lordievader: but it might be useful to call it phone support I'm not sure
[13:53] <lordievader> Riddell: Ok. I'm not really sure what the page should say, this is what I got up to this point: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/PhoneSupport
[13:54] <Riddell> lordievader: just say you can buy support if you want to and a pointer to http://kubuntu.emerge-open.com/buy
[13:55] <Riddell> and we can add a .desktop file to the package so it appears in khelpcentre
[13:55] <lordievader> Riddell: Already took care of that ;)
[13:58] <shadeslayer> !find libpython2.7.so]
[13:58] <shadeslayer> !find libpython2.7.so
[13:59] <Riddell> shadeslayer: hmm?
[13:59] <lordievader> Riddell: Is this better? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/PhoneSupport (And yes I copied it from your blog post ;))
[13:59] <shadeslayer> Riddell: fixing kalzium in Raring
[14:01] <smartboyhw> Riddell, shadeslayer: Which of you are gonna fix the kate thing?
[14:01] <smartboyhw> (referring to #ubuntu-release)
[14:02] <shadeslayer> will get to it in a moment
[14:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I'll do libkdcraw then
[14:04] <shadeslayer> okay
[14:04]  * smartboyhw test-builds Digikam again, sigh
[14:05] <Riddell> kubrick looks gl only, set to not build on arm
[14:05] <shadeslayer> Riddell: fwiw kate bzr changes are not in the ninjas PPA
[14:06] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no they're uploaded to ubuntu
[14:11] <Riddell> shadeslayer, ScottK: libkdcraw uploaded with patch to ninjas too
[14:11] <Riddell> ScottK: where did you get notification of that?
[14:15] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kate compiles fine without that python define
[14:15] <shadeslayer> not sure why we need it
[14:16] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it's always compiled fine, it just didn't work
[14:16] <shadeslayer> oh?
[14:16] <Riddell> see https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=325460
[14:16] <shadeslayer> okie
[14:21] <lordievader> Riddell: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~oliviervdtoorn/+junk/kubuntu-docs-local/revision/3 <-- contains the phone/commercial support page.
[14:24] <Riddell> ScottK: bug 1233704 for your review
[14:24] <Riddell> lordievader: I'm confused by that kubuntu-docs_13.10_all.tar.gz , it's not made by the script is it?
[14:25] <lordievader> Riddell: No, should I modify it that it does generate the tar?
[14:27] <Riddell> lordievader: I think it's done best as a native package not a bzr archive
[14:27] <Riddell> one sec..
[14:27] <smartboyhw> +1 native
[14:27] <Riddell> lordievader: dget -x https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/kubuntu-docs_13.10ubuntu1.dsc
[14:28] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I thought there shouldn't be any ubuntu1 stuff .....
[14:28] <Riddell> lordievader: then put a script in there to update the directory
[14:29] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ubuntu-docs only has a version no. of 13.04.3 (without ubuntu1). Same for xubuntu-docs
[14:29] <lordievader> Riddell: Hmm need to fix my gpg key settings.
[14:29] <Riddell> lordievader: probably wants usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kubuntu/ just moved into the top directory
[14:29] <Riddell> and move usr/share/kde4/apps/khelpcenter/plugins/ into the top directory too
[14:29] <Riddell> lordievader: then add your magic script to update kubuntu/
[14:29] <Riddell> smartboyhw: we can name it however we want, that's the advantage of being native :)
[14:30] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I would rather want us follow the normal doc versions:)
[14:30] <Riddell> might be too late, not sure which is larger version number
[14:30] <smartboyhw> Ow:(
[14:38] <lordievader> Riddell: I get this error when I run the dget command: "gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found" eventhough I imported the key...
[14:43] <Riddell> lordievader: well don't worry about it
[14:43] <lordievader> OK.
[14:43] <Riddell> it's not a high vector target kubuntu-docs :)
[14:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer: how did you get on with kate?
[14:55] <lordievader> Riddell: OK the top-dir, where I ran the dget command, now looks like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6179869/ Is this correct or do you want the added contents in the tar.gz file?
[14:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: fixed, uploading now
[14:56] <Riddell> lordievader: yeah put it in the tar.gz
[14:56] <Riddell> lordievader: expand with dpkg-source -x *dsc
[15:00] <Riddell> thanks shadeslayer
[15:00] <lordievader> Riddell: Ok inside the tar it will look like this: file:///media/lordievader/Projects/Kubuntu/Docs/kubuntu-docs-13.10/kubuntu-docs-13.10ubuntu1/footer.html
[15:00] <lordievader> file:///media/lordievader/Projects/Kubuntu/Docs/kubuntu-docs-13.10/kubuntu-docs-13.10ubuntu1/header.html
[15:00] <lordievader> file:///media/lordievader/Projects/Kubuntu/Docs/kubuntu-docs-13.10/kubuntu-docs-13.10ubuntu1/temp
[15:00] <lordievader> *http://paste.ubuntu.com/6179888/
[15:00] <lordievader> Sorry about that...
[15:01] <lordievader> ^ is that correct? Sorry if I ask a lot of questions, just want to do this right.
[15:01] <shadeslayer> anyone know how to create a debian wheezy i386 lxc container ?
[15:02] <Riddell> lordievader: looking better
[15:02] <Riddell> lordievader: now  mv usr/share/kde4/apps/khelpcenter/plugins/kubuntu/ .
[15:03] <Riddell> mv usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kubuntu/ .
[15:03] <Riddell> hmm that won't work
[15:03] <Riddell> mv usr/share/kde4/apps/khelpcenter/plugins/kubuntu/ khelpcentre-desktop-files  maybe
[15:03] <Riddell> lordievader: then get tokhelp.py to output files into kubuntu/
[15:05] <lordievader> Riddell: The script now downloads to "temp" first and then rsyncs it to kubuntu.
[15:06] <Riddell> lovely
[15:06] <lordievader> So what's next? ^^
[15:06] <Riddell> lordievader: if you're happy with it run  dch -i  and add a changelog entry
[15:06] <Riddell> then  debuild -S  to build the source package
[15:07] <Riddell> and put the .dsc and .tar.gz somewhere I can download them
[15:09] <lordievader> Riddell: Hmm of what package is that dhc utility part of? And do I run it in the top dir or in the extracted (and modified) archive?
[15:10] <Riddell> lordievader: dch
[15:10] <Riddell> probably part of devscripts, but bash will tell you if it's not installed
[15:10] <Riddell> run it in the extracted archive
[15:10] <Riddell> it adds a template to save to debian/changelog
[15:10] <Riddell> you need to fill in the blanks
[15:14] <lordievader> Riddell: Here you go: http://griffioen.no-ip.org/
[15:15] <lordievader> Odd though that zsh doesn't recognize dch as a command but bash does...
[15:16] <Riddell> aah
[15:23] <shadeslayer> !find libboost_python.so
[15:25] <Riddell> shadeslayer: how's the backports, need any help?
[15:25] <shadeslayer> raring could use some love
[15:25] <Riddell> I'll take a look
[15:26] <shadeslayer> oddly make[4]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/lib/libboost_python.so', needed by `lib/libcompoundviewer.so.4.11.2'.  Stop.
[15:39] <Riddell> 16:32 -!- tsdgeos changed the topic of #kde-release-team to: 4.11.2 released
[15:40] <shadeslayer> cool
[15:58] <Riddell><EMAIL_ADDRESS>has been removed from kubuntu-devel  that you shadeslayer?
[15:58] <shadeslayer> nope
[16:09] <Riddell> lordievader: voila http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu-help.png
[16:16] <Riddell> lordievader: uploaded!  your first package
[16:19] <lordievader> Riddell: Neat ^^
[17:35] <markey> shadeslayer: we've taken the gmock issue to KDE mailing lists. let's see what they say
[17:35] <markey> I assume Amarok is not the only application using it
[17:36] <markey> also I really like Google
[17:36] <shadeslayer> cool
[17:36] <shadeslayer> markey: which ML though?
[17:37] <shadeslayer> because I don't see it in the ones I'm subscribed to :)
[17:37] <markey> kde-devel, kde-core-devel
[17:38] <shadeslayer> don't see it there, moderation probably
[17:38] <markey> yep
[17:38] <shadeslayer> could you pastebin the post so I may read it plz?
[17:39] <markey> http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/amarok-devel/2013-October/012724.html
[17:53] <shadeslayer> markey: would prefer to get all distros to package gmock properly
[17:53] <shadeslayer> i.e. ask them to ship sources
[17:55] <markey> +1 to that
[17:55] <markey> then again +1 is silly
[17:56] <markey> +0 really, and agreed
[18:01] <shadeslayer> markey: yeah, silly, but it's the best option of them all :P
[18:02] <shadeslayer> markey: why not just implement looking for the sources?
[18:02] <shadeslayer> via cmake
[18:02] <shadeslayer> because that is what upstream recommends, so just implement that, then if people complain, tell them to fix their distro
[18:02] <markey> patch, please
[18:02] <markey> it's not like I care a lot, personally
[18:03] <shadeslayer> might have a look later on once I find a place for dinner ;)
[18:03] <markey> you will surely find a place for dinner in Barcelona
[18:03] <shadeslayer> ofcourse
[18:03] <markey> and I'll get jealous
[18:03] <shadeslayer> but
[18:04] <shadeslayer> I need to find a super spicy place
[18:04] <shadeslayer> so that I can make afiestas_ cry
[18:04] <markey> :D
[18:04] <markey> send greetings
[18:07] <shadeslayer> :)
[18:42] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: are you near by?
[18:43] <markey> I doubt that
[21:19] <soee> using command line, how can i upgrade only one package from available packages?


[05:28] <jeff22> how do I use ubuntu to connect to the internet
[05:28] <nalioth> if you have an active network connection, it should automatically use the internet
[05:29] <jeff22> no, i don't have that, I only have dial-up
[05:29] <tonyyarusso> !dialup | jeff22
[05:29] <ubotu> jeff22: You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DialupModemHowto
[05:30] <jeff22> thanks, I'll read that
[05:32] <jeff22> do I need gnome-ppp? it isn't on the liveCD
[05:34] <tonyyarusso> You don't need it no, it's just another interface you can choose.
[05:34] <jeff22> okay
[05:46] <jeff22> I'm back to square one, I have no idea how to use dial up with ubuntu to access the internet
[05:48] <tonyyarusso> jeff22: Do you know what chipset your modem is?
[05:48] <jeff22> no
[05:49] <jeff22> it's an internal modem
[05:49] <tonyyarusso> I recommend using the scanModem script from linmodems.org
[05:51] <jeff22> thanks again, I'll try that
[04:15] <Gfather> I'm here now soundray
[04:15] <soundray> Okay
[04:15] <soundray> Have you tried pinging your DNS servers?
[04:15] <Gfather> Want me to state problem again?
[04:15] <Gfather> Not yet
[04:15] <Gfather> What do I need to do?
[04:16] <soundray> Have you got a terminal open?
[04:16] <Gfather> Yes
[04:16] <Wooksta> http://pastebin.ca/371657 <--- i'm getting the following errors when trying to compile rainbowcrack, can anyone help?
[04:17] <soundray> I'll give you some commands to type in. Copy everything between the quotes:
[04:17] <Gfather> ok
[04:17] <soundray> 'cat /etc/resolv.conf'
[04:17] <soundray> That'll list your DNS settings
[04:17] <Gfather> ok
[04:17] <Gfather> I got 2 nameservers
[04:18] <soundray> Pick the first one and do 'ping <IP_ADDRESS>', substituting the IP address
[04:18] <Gfather> Ok
[04:18] <soundray> Gfather: are you getting ping responses?
[04:18] <Gfather> Host Unreachable
[04:18] <soundray> Aah, that's the trouble
[04:18] <soundray> Try the second one
[04:18] <Gfather> Ok
[04:19] <Gfather> How can I stop this one?
[04:19] <soundray> Ctrl-C
[04:19] <Gfather> It keeps on going
[04:19] <soundray> sry forgot
[04:19] <Gfather> Ok, thanks
[04:19] <Gfather> Second one gives Host Unreachable aswell
[04:20] <soundray> Gfather: I need to know a bit about your internet setup now.
[04:20] <Gfather> Sure
[04:20] <soundray> Gfather: are you using a modem?
[04:20] <Gfather> I use a UTP-cable to connect with the electrical net in my house (230v)
[04:20] <soundray> Oh, powerline internet
[04:21] <Gfather> Yer
[04:21] <Gfather> Via a router it goes to the normal cable
[04:22] <soundray> Gfather: is that the connection that we are also using for this chat?
[04:22] <Gfather> nope
[04:22] <Gfather> I got 2 computers here
[04:22] <Gfather> This one is the AMD one running on winxp (bleh 0.o )
[04:22] <soundray> How is that one connected? Not via the router?
[04:22] <Gfather> The other one is the p2 (300 mhz) with ubuntu 6.06
[04:23] <Gfather> This one has wireless
[04:23] <soundray> Wireless to the same router or a different one?
[04:23] <Gfather> Strange thing about this is, I do have internet on that p2, but it's very slow
[04:23] <Gfather> Same
[04:24] <soundray> Could you try pinging the same two addresses from your Win XP box?
[04:24] <Gfather> sure
[04:24] <Gfather> 32 ms
[04:24] <Gfather> It's pinging :)
[04:25] <soundray> Excellent. We've narrowed down the problem.
[04:25] <Gfather> Other ip too
[04:25] <soundray> We know it's somewhere between the router (which we know works) and the Ubuntu machine (which appears to be set up correctly)
[04:26] <soundray> Do you know the router's LAN IP?
[04:26] <Gfather> Not really
[04:27] <soundray> When you do a 'tracepath <IP_ADDRESS>', again substituting the nameserver IP, the second line should respond to the router
[04:28] <Gfather> So I need to use the second IP I used before with "tracepath" ?
[04:28] <soundray> correspond, I mean
[04:28] <soundray> Gfather: that or the other, doesn't matter
[04:28] <Gfather> Ok
[04:29] <Gfather> Ok, I got something
[04:30] <Gfather> 1 line of information, next line says: no reply, and then a line with the ip but a way higher ms
[04:30] <Gfather> First line has 0.843 ms, third line has 2004.217 ms
[04:31] <soundray> Gfather: I think those lags result from your powerline connection
[04:31] <Gfather> When I use that connection on this computer, it does not lag at all
[04:32] <soundray> Is there some sort of networking device you plug into the power sockets, or are you using the raw wire?
[04:33] <Gfather> There's some sort of device
[04:33] <Gfather> Which has 4 LEDs
[04:33] <Gfather> Link Act Link/Act Collision
[04:34] <Gfather> At this moment only Link/Act lights up
[04:34] <soundray> Is it possible that the wireless signal interferes with the powerline signal?
[04:35] <Gfather> I used both connections at the same time on this computer, that worked a treat
[04:36] <soundray> I see
[04:37] <Gfather> Does pmtu 1500 say anything?
[04:37] <soundray> Some packet size, I'm not sure what it means
[04:37] <Gfather> Ok
[04:37] <soundray> Okay, I think I have a diagnosis
[04:38] <Gfather> Ok
[04:38] <soundray> * your ubuntu setup is fine (otherwise you wouldn't get gmail at all)
[04:38] <soundray> * your router and internet is fine (otherwise we wouldn't be able to chat)
[04:38] <soundray> * your powerline connection is fine (since it works with your XP machine)
[04:39] <soundray> - what's left is the network hardware in your ubuntu machine.
[04:39] <Gfather> And maybe drivers / software on the ubuntu machine?
[04:40] <soundray> I don't think so
[04:40] <Gfather> Ok
[04:40] <soundray> Mainly because your internet does work (albeit extremely slow)
[04:40] <Gfather> What should I do now?
[04:40] <soundray> And ethernet driver problems are exceedingly rare
[04:41] <Wooksta> any reason why "sudo init 3" wouldnt drop me down to run level 3?
[04:41] <soundray> Gfather: It depends on what you have lying around in the way of hardware
[04:41] <soundray> Any spare network cards?
[04:42] <soundray> What kind of wireless card does your XP machine use?
[04:42] <Gfather> Not at this moment, next to that the machine only has USB slots left
[04:42] <Gfather> Wireless: 802.111G standard card (don't know if it's the correct numbers)
[04:43] <soundray> How is it connected? PCI? USB?
[04:43] <Gfather> Eeeerm, PCI I think
[04:43] <Gfather> It's got it's own (big) slot which doesn't look like USB
[04:44] <Gfather> So it's got to be PCI
[04:44] <soundray> Pity, cause if you had a USB wireless card, we could quickly try it with your ubuntu machine
[04:45] <Gfather> True
[04:46] <Gfather> If I use a crosscable, could I make a connection with my winxp machine
[04:46] <soundray> Yes, that would be a good idea
[04:46] <Gfather> And via that machine, via the router connect to internet?
[04:46] <Gfather> Now to find a crosscable ...
[04:46] <Gfather> I got one laying here somewhere I'm sure
[04:47] <soundray> You'd just have to setup XP internet connection sharing. I don't know anything about that.
[04:47] <Gfather> Ok, I'll give that a go tomorrow, because I seem to have given away all my crosscables
[04:49] <soundray> Here's another ide
[04:49] <soundray> a
[04:50] <soundray> If you can move your ubuntu machine and connect it directly to the router, bypassing the powerline, and it works, that would prove that the difficulty is with the powerline
[04:50] <Gfather> That would be a problem, router downstairs, machine upstairs
[04:51] <soundray> Yes, I thought so...
[04:51] <soundray> I'm just concerned that I may not have convinced you that your Ubuntu installation is just fine...
[04:51] <Gfather> You have
[04:51] <soundray> Oh, good
[04:51] <Gfather> I'm going to try to get an extra wireless card tomorrow + a crosscable
[04:52] <Gfather> So I can try them both and see what it does
[04:52] <soundray> Be careful, many wireless devices are difficult to use with Linux
[04:52] <soundray> Buy from a dealer who will exchange it for you
[04:52] <Gfather> Hmmm, ok
[04:53] <Gfather> Good advice :)
[04:53] <soundray> And best get a card with a Ralink chipset
[04:53] <soundray> Unfortunately you can't tell from the box in most cases
[04:53] <Gfather> I could ask the dealer
[04:53] <soundray> Most of them won't know either
[04:54] <Gfather> Pity
[04:54] <soundray> "It comes with Windows drivers -- what do you want?"
[04:54] <soundray> :(
[04:54] <Gfather> Hahahaha :)
[04:55] <soundray> There is a dealer who specializes in Linux-supported hardware here. Maybe you have someone like that in Holland, too
[04:56] <Gfather> I hope so
[04:57] <Gfather> Thanks for you help
[04:57] <soundray> Well, good luck with your setup
[04:57] <Gfather> Thanks
[04:57] <soundray> Tot ziens!
[04:57] <Gfather> :)
[04:57] <Gfather> See ya
[04:57] <soundray> :)
[05:19] <jrib> amar: hello
[05:19] <amar> hi
[05:19] <jrib> amar: can you pastebin your /etc/fstab file?
[05:19] <amar> yup......
[05:20] <amar> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7505/
[05:20] <amar> i have pasted here
[05:22] <amar> i just want to read n write in FAT file....
[05:22] <jrib> amar: ok which one do you want to change
[05:22] <amar> hda 5
[05:23] <jrib> amar: you want to give read and write to *everyone*?
[05:23] <amar> ya...
[05:24] <jrib> amar: ok, in the line for hda5, change "defaults" to "umask=000"
[05:24] <amar> ok....
[05:25] <amar> dat file is read only........
[05:25] <amar> not able to write anything in dat file
[05:25] <amar> shld i use sudo
[05:29] <amar> k........ done......
[05:29] <amar> shall i save dis file??
[05:31] <amar> thank u very much dude........ now i'm write in dat volume......
[05:32] <amar> *able


[00:00] <c7p> np
[00:00] <godbyk> Are most of the authors submitting their work using LibreOffice?
[00:01] <nisshh> hey c7p, godbyk :)
[00:02] <godbyk> Hey, nisshh! How are you doing?
[00:02] <nisshh> awesome, thanks
[00:02] <nisshh> got myself a sweet job
[00:02] <nisshh> life is good ;)
[00:02] <godbyk> nisshh: Congratulations!
[00:02] <nisshh> thanks
[00:02] <godbyk> What kind of job did you get?
[00:03] <nisshh> i work as a storeman for a rental company
[00:03] <nisshh> we rent out appliances, tv gaming consoles, computers, tec
[00:03] <c7p> godbyk: yeah
[00:03] <nisshh> etc*
[00:03] <nisshh> its a very good job
[00:03] <c7p> congrats nisshh :D
[00:03] <nisshh> thanks c7p :)
[00:04] <nisshh> how are you godbyk, c7p?
[00:04] <c7p> i'm great but a lot busy with different things... i got to get used to it :)
[00:05] <godbyk> cool.
[00:05] <godbyk> I'm doing pretty well.
[00:05] <godbyk> Keeping busy with things!
[00:05] <nisshh> yeah, know the feeling :)
[00:07] <nisshh> c7p, so, what needs working on today?
[00:07] <c7p> are you volunteering ? :P
[00:07] <nisshh> yes
[00:07] <nisshh> i have a spare hour or so
[00:08] <nisshh> after that im busy till tomorrow night
[00:08] <c7p> hm
[00:08] <c7p> have you looked upon Getting online section ?
[00:09] <nisshh> a little
[00:09] <nisshh> if you look in the logs ive done a few commits
[00:09] <c7p> yeah i remember this
[00:10] <c7p> you may work on it now if you want. just let me know what's the status of the section, and maybe how long will it take
[00:15] <nisshh> c7p, basically all ive touched up so far is the first couple of paragraphs
[00:15] <nisshh> a few hours and i could do the rest
[00:16] <nisshh> a lot of what ive corrected are just things relating to GNOME 2.x that arent valid in unity
[00:16] <c7p> y i think that's all for the most part of the manual
[00:18] <nisshh> yeah
[00:30] <c7p> i g2g
[00:30] <c7p> goodnight !
[00:31] <godbyk> G'night, c7p!
[20:26] <c7p> hello all
[20:46] <godbyk> Hey, c7p.
[20:46] <c7p> hi
[20:49] <c7p> godbyk could you build a pdf of the current material we have on branch ?
[20:49] <c7p> i don't have tex live installed :/
[20:49] <godbyk> Sure.
[20:49] <c7p> thx
[20:51]  * c7p brb
[20:52] <godbyk> c7p: Uploaded: <http://crocodoc.com/B0lVkYx>
[21:00] <c7p> thank you :D
[21:11] <c7p> it's very strange... the images of that i've on the local branch haven't been uploaded to the oneiric branch
[21:15] <godbyk> Well, you should get those uploaded then! :-)
[21:19] <c7p> done
[21:22] <godbyk> uploading new pdf
[21:23] <godbyk> c7p: <http://crocodoc.com/HvjDfFU>
[21:24] <c7p> you're quick :D
[21:57] <c7p> godbyk: do i have to recapture the fuzzy screens  ?
[22:03] <c7p> also editors should work on UbuntuOne or on crocodocs ?
[22:38] <godbyk> c7p: I'm not sure. Can you tell me which screenshots appear fuzzy? I'll look into it.
[22:39] <godbyk> I'm not sure what the best work flow is for editors.  I suspect that the crocodoc stuff is easiest for the quick drive-by edits, but for those who want to rewrite bits of text, it may be easier to edit the .tex files directly.
[23:02] <c7p> fuzzy screens on pg 28,30,32
[23:03] <c7p> i g2g
[23:03] <c7p> cu


 phab is up on the new IP.  got some docker chaos with the underlying codimd system that i'm working through to fix and get notes up
 notes.lubuntu.me is now migrated
 Perfect
[00:45] <guiverc> thanks @teward001
 Great job! (re @teward001: notes.lubuntu.me is now migrated)
 yeah this stuff takes time
 problem is
 with LXD Snapped handling the LXD containers, that's on a zfs filesystem
 let's just say overlay2 filesystems within zfs containers... doesn't like behaving
 so CodiMD is on a VFS (directories direct on disk) type setup for now
 at least, until I can upgrade that container to 20.04
 the rest are just copied verbatim because they're on-system apps and not docker containers >.<
 Discourse is now in read-only mode.  I am going to migrate it.  DNS is pending up at Canonical for changes, then I'll make sure it's working on the new infra.
 👍 (re @teward001: Discourse is now in read-only mode.  I am going to migrate it.  DNS is pending up at Canonical for changes, then I'll make sure it's working on the new infra.)
 holy heck Discourse is evil, because we were on S3 and then onto non-AWS S3 on Discourse when I was first working on it, it broke migration >.<
 several hours LATER, i'm still fixing it >.>
 at least i didn't nuke the origin server :P
 Discourse is migrated, however email-as-a-response mechanism is disabled at the moment because i have to do some work to make it work properly.
 so it'll take a bit for me to get that functional again.
 i think phab and discourse email will work again.  but we'll see going forward.  i've got a ton of stuff to check and fix post migration heh.
 but it looks like Discourse is fully migrated now so that's a plus.
 Thank you for the update @teward001
 i still have more to migrate but the biggest bits are moved now heh


[06:51] <mup> Bug #1620012 opened: MAAS uses a heuristic to find VLAN interface VIDs rather than /proc/net/vlan <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1620012>
[15:10] <mup> Bug #1620064 opened: [2.0+] web UI has incorrect links to documentation <docteam> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1620064>
[17:25] <PCdude> Where can I set the DNS server that will be passed by the server to the nodes during deployment?
[17:42] <pragsmike> in the subnet page? I'm looking at the one for 2.0
[17:42] <PCdude> I am running MAAS 1.9.4
[17:42] <pragsmike> go to Networks tab, it will list subnets, click on the one you want to set DNS on
[17:43] <pragsmike> sorry, I don't know if it's different
[17:43] <PCdude> the tabs are different in MAAS between 1.x and 2.0
[17:45] <PCdude> I am looking at the DHCP page right now in the MAAS gui, but no DNS settings
[18:06] <pragsmike> Halfway down http://maas.io/get-started?_ga=1.244131660.810910296.1435858643 it describes setting up "DHCP and DNS", does that resemble what you're looking at?
[18:19] <PCdude> pragsmike:  exactly that is what I am looking at rn, but as u can see there is no DNS setting on that page
[18:34] <pragsmike> right, it just implies that it will DNS whatever DHCP allocates, but that's it
[18:36] <PCdude> please use my name in ur messages, so I get a notification :)
[18:36] <PCdude> indeed that is true, so where can I set that DNS value
[18:37] <PCdude> pragsmike:  rn it gives the wrong value to the nodes
[18:52] <pragsmike> sorry I just started using MAAS, and 2.0 is all I've ever seen
[18:52] <pragsmike> PCdude :)
[20:02] <PCdude> pragsmike:  np, thanks anyway
[20:14] <PCdude> http://askubuntu.com/questions/820925/how-do-i-set-a-dns-server-in-maas-that-will-be-passed-on-to-the-nodes


[05:05] <sunredsky> hello
[05:08] <sunredsky> I'm trying to install xubuntu on an old Dell with 128Mb Ram.  Its not going well...
[05:09] <Unit193> I wouldn't think it would go well...
[05:09] <sunredsky> Why not?
[05:09] <Unit193> What's the CPU like though?
[05:09] <sunredsky> PIII 900MHz
[05:09] <Unit193> You are using the AltCD, right?
[05:09] <sunredsky> Yes
[05:10] <sunredsky> Changed Bios to boot from CD and try to install and just get the xubuntu logo for a long time
[05:10] <sunredsky> Then the system locks up and I cant do anything but reboot
[05:12] <sunredsky> By AltCD, you mean the iso?
[05:12] <Unit193> Alternate CD, not LiveCD
[05:12] <sunredsky> Hmmm, don't know the difference.
[05:13] <Unit193> Xubuntu can't exactly run on 128, I would recommend maybe checking out Lubuntu or something smaller like that.
[05:15] <sunredsky> The docs say it will run on 128.  Am I doing something wrong?  By the way I forgot to mention that Windows ME is already installed on the system.  Do I need to uninstall first?
[05:17] <Unit193> You wouldn't need to uninstall ME first. Would you mind pointing me where it says that in the docs? As it says here http://www.xubuntu.org/get that you would need 256 for minimum
[05:21] <sunredsky> Maybe I misread it.  Sorry.  I'm just trying to get a machine running that I can learn about linux and bash.  Command line is fine, I don't need much.  Will lubuntu do the trick?
[05:25] <Unit193> I don't mean to sound harsh, but this is the Xubuntu support channel so I'll direct you to #lubuntu and give you https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu (Says on the page 128 would be slow, but usable)
[05:25] <Unit193> I've personally run it on 512M and 500MHz :P
[05:25] <sunredsky> No, I understand - you're right.  Thanks for the help.
[05:26] <Unit193> Sorry that Xubuntu won't work for you, it's great though :D
[05:26] <sunredsky> I'm off to find a distro that I can run on a 128 machine...
[05:26] <Unit193> distrowatch too :D
[05:26]  * Unit193 sleep
[07:48] <aLeSD> hi all
[07:48] <aLeSD> I am thinking in returning back to Xubuntu
[07:49] <aLeSD> but I hav a question : I am developing in Qt
[07:49] <aLeSD> is it ok ?
[07:49] <aLeSD> and is Xubuntu really faster than (K)Ubuntu ?
[07:49] <aLeSD> I am on an Atom
[08:07] <ulas> nothing to discuss ? :)
[08:24] <Sysi> aLeSD: xubuntu uses a bit less RAM
[08:25] <aLeSD> Sysi: no problem of ram here
[08:25] <aLeSD> only need fastness
[08:25] <Sysi> about Qt, you can do it as well as on any *buntu
[08:25] <Sysi> xubuntu may feel a bit snappier than unity/kde
[13:23] <xubuntu848> geil ich kann wärend der installation im irc chatten
[13:24] <xubuntu848> blabla schwafel
[13:24] <xubuntu848> :D
[13:24] <xubuntu848> *freuÜ
[13:24] <Sysi> in english actually
[13:25] <xubuntu848> wtf i can chat while the instalation of xubuntu
[13:25] <xubuntu848> blabla bla
[13:25] <xubuntu848> :D
[13:25] <xubuntu848> *joy*
[13:25] <charlie-tca> Yes, you can
[13:25] <charlie-tca> First time installing Xubuntu?
[13:26] <xubuntu848> yep, i tried ubuntu before, but the "unity" desktop is not good in my opinion :/
[13:27] <xubuntu848> then i tried kubuntu, but it stops suddenly, only restart possible
[13:27] <xubuntu848> and now xubuntu
[14:32] <anton_uno> hello
[14:38] <anton_uno> I have usb sound card and can't setup it. It only works in VLC because there is a choice of output device.
[14:43] <Sysi> install pavucontrol
 it works, thanks
[14:53] <Sysi> !yay
[16:00] <xubuntu411> dove posso chiedere aiuto?
[16:06] <xubuntu411> nessuno mi dà una mano
[16:10] <knome> !it | xubuntu411
[17:29] <stephan> hey i have installed a panel plugin via ./configure, make, sudo make install. but i can't choose the new plugin in the panel. how can i add the new plugin?
[17:40] <TheSheep> stephan: you should use the packages provided by the package manager
[17:42] <stephan> TheSheep: but i want a plugin that i cant find in there
[17:43] <TheSheep> stephan: which plugin is that?
[17:44] <stephan> TheSheep:xfce4-generic-slider
[17:45] <stephan> TheSheep: is there a reason why the ./configure, make, sudo make install commands are not working?
[17:46] <TheSheep> stephan: as that page says, you need to change the path where the plugin goes
[17:46] <TheSheep> instead of /usr/lib/xfce4/xfce4/panel-plugins it's /usr/lib/xfce4/panel/plugins in xubuntu
[17:47] <TheSheep> and instead of /usr/share/xfce4/panel-plugins it's /usr/share/xfce4/panel/plugins
[17:48] <TheSheep> or so it seems
[17:48] <TheSheep> (I'm guessing from the paths on my own system)
[17:49] <stephan> oh ok
[17:50] <TheSheep> you need to edit Makefile for that, as the author wrote
[17:51] <stephan> jap, thank you.
[20:19] <kiichiro> hey where would I find the drivers on my xubuntu and will they work with windows xp?
[20:20] <Sysi> no chance
[20:21] <Sysi> for the second and that makes first not needed I guess
[20:21] <TheSheep> kiichiro: xubuntu has all the drivers that work with it included already, and they won't work with windows
[20:21] <kiichiro> ah great now I got to go find a stupid on board nic driver,
[20:22] <kiichiro> you know they really should find a way to make it not need one, maybe have a ROM chip storing the info on it?
[20:22] <TheSheep> you can just use xubuntu instead
[20:22] <kiichiro> no since it doesn't support silverlight which I need for my online class
[20:23] <kiichiro>  and mozilla doesn't want to accept moonlight
[20:23] <TheSheep> kiichiro: ehem, http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight
[20:23] <Sysi> if you gat1GB ram, I recommend win7 instead of XP
[20:23] <Sysi> *got 1GB
[20:23] <TheSheep> kiichiro: what does that have to do with mozilla?
[20:23] <kiichiro> I don't have 7 and I've had the xp disc for awhile that's why I'm not upgrading,
[20:24] <TheSheep> also, try ##windows for windows support
[20:25] <kiichiro> gotcha, well they won't be able to help me on my linux based questions like where to find stuff etc, I know xp well
[20:25] <Sysi> lspci tells what hardware you got
[20:26] <kiichiro> mkay thanks, hate taking the computers apart just to plug a nic in for 60 seconds and have to put it back in the orignal computer and blah blah blah
[20:53] <andres-kain> hello all, you must get this question alot. How do I change the login screen?
[20:55] <andres-kain> the image only really
[20:56] <hat1> hey all.  is there a way to disable tap-to-click in xubuntu natty, without mucking about in config files?
[20:57] <TheSheep> yes
[20:57] <hat1> fantastic.  you've been a big help.
[20:57] <hat1> what is it?
[20:58] <TheSheep> !info gpointing-device-settings
[20:58] <TheSheep> just install and use that
[20:58] <charlie-tca> andres-kain: TBH, I think you are the second person I have seen wanting to do that
[20:58] <hat1> thank you.  you've been an even bigger help now.
[20:58] <TheSheep> sorry for the delay, I had to find the exact name
[20:59] <charlie-tca> !gdm
[20:59] <hat1> no worries, of course.
[20:59] <charlie-tca> andres-kain: and, I don't know if it is possible
[21:00] <andres-kain> charlie-tca: !gdm ?
[21:00] <andres-kain> is gdm some sort of program I need to install?
[21:00] <charlie-tca> gdm is what creates the login
[21:01] <charlie-tca> so, to change the login screen, you change something in gdm
[21:01] <andres-kain> I see... it is some sort of xml file?
[21:02] <TheSheep> http://maketecheasier.com/gdm2-setup-reclaim-control-of-your-login-in-ubuntu-lucid/2010/05/20
[21:02] <TheSheep> (I didn't test that myself)
[21:02] <andres-kain> thank you!
[21:03] <andres-kain> I'have seen the same link in a diferent ircchannel so must be on the right track
[21:32] <patrice> hi, i have a problem. I can't create files on my desktop
[21:33] <patrice> i can create a folder but not a file, on the desktop
[21:35] <Sysi> try in file manager
[21:35] <patrice> please, can anybody help me?
[21:35] <patrice> file manager?
[21:36] <patrice> no, i just want to be able to right click on the desktop and to create a new file
[21:36] <patrice> like normal. Like before
[21:36] <Sysi> iirc there's bug making that fail
[21:36] <Sysi> you didn't install nautilus before it started to not happen?
[21:37] <patrice> it happens since i have a problem with a mounted disk
[21:37] <patrice> i don't know why he wants to mount a disk at the os loading
[21:37] <patrice> it fails all the time
[21:37] <patrice> i had problems since that
[21:39] <patrice> what is iirc?
[21:40] <Sysi> if I remember/recall correctly
[21:40] <patrice> what?
[21:40] <Sysi> abbreviation
[21:41] <patrice> arf sorry :)
[21:41] <patrice> so why my desktop doesn't let me create a file with the contextual menu?
[21:42] <patrice> what can i do to fix that bugg?
[21:44] <num8er> hello everybody
[21:44] <num8er> please help
[21:45] <num8er> I've Dell Inspiron n5110  with  i915   and  nvidia gt 525m  vga cards. but I cannot use nvidia, I've installed proprietary drivers
[21:45] <num8er> put after restart
[21:46] <num8er> it says "No Screen"
[21:46] <Sysi> you propably have nvidia optimus system, that doesn't work in linux
[21:46] <num8er> yes
[21:46] <num8er> it's optimus
[21:46] <num8er> but why doesn't?
[21:48] <Sysi> because nvidia doesn't want to support it on linux, there are some projects for making it work but not anything really stable
[21:48] <num8er> ok
[21:48] <num8er> what is bumblebee
[21:48] <num8er> ?
[21:49] <Sysi> project to make nvidia optimus work on linux
[21:49] <num8er> so cn' you help me with installing
[21:49] <num8er> ??
[21:49] <num8er> or give me a link
[21:50] <num8er> with instructions
[21:50] <Sysi> I google as well as you propably
[21:51] <num8er> ok
[21:51] <num8er> i've found
[21:51] <num8er> ))
[21:51] <num8er> thx
[21:53] <hylian> i lost my windows decorations, please help
[21:53] <Sysi> alt F2 "xfwm4 --replace"
[21:54] <hylian> Sysi, thank you, that fixed it. I hate the indicator applet, so i was looking for a decent replecement. don't use knetworkmanager... :)
[21:55] <Sysi> nm-applet should work on notification area too
[21:56] <hylian> Sysi, i don't see that as an option in xubuntu, because they made nm-applet part of indicator applet now.
[21:57] <Sysi> they're totally separate panel applets
[21:57] <Sysi> whops, misread
[21:57] <hylian> Sysi, it doesn't show it under add panel item... i guess i'll have to do some research. thanks again for the help!
[21:57] <Sysi> remove indicator-applet, log out and back in and you should have nm-applet on your notification area
[21:58] <hylian> Sysi notification applet is greyed out... is that because indicator applet is running?
[21:58] <Sysi> no, it's because you already have it in your panel
[22:01] <hylian> you're right, it is there, but it isn't showing my network manager data...
[22:01] <hylian> i will reboot and see what happens
[22:08] <patrice> anybody can help me please?
[22:09] <hylian> Sysi, thank you. that is exactly what i wanted. works like a charm now :)
[22:10]  * hylian dances the cha-cha...
[23:24] <farchord> almost like if the update just.... turned everything upside down
[23:24] <farchord> erm sorry
[23:24] <farchord> Hey guys, got a problem and it's annoying the bejeesus out of me. I used xubuntu yesterday and it worked fine, did system updates and rebooted. Now, when I start xubuntu, I get to the desktop, but windows have no title bar, the start bar appears but disappears soon after, and I can't type anything anywhere
[23:25] <farchord> meant taskbar sorry, old windows habits die hard
[23:26] <charlie-tca> Does Alt+F2 work?
[23:27] <charlie-tca> If it does, type xfwm4 and hit enter
[23:30] <farchord> That's the thing
[23:30] <farchord> I can't type in textboxes either
[23:30] <farchord> EXCEPT in the root prompt
[23:30] <farchord> you know, where it asks you to type your administrator password
[23:31] <farchord> Or if I do CTRL+ALT+F1 to F6
[23:31] <charlie-tca> Hit Ctrl+Alt+F2, log in, type xfwm4 &
[23:31] <farchord> then I can type in console
[23:31] <farchord> but the gui's totally.... well borked
[23:31] <farchord> ok
[23:32] <farchord> ill try later, but thanks for the tip charlie


[00:05] <Riddell> don't think so Lex79
[00:05] <Lex79> ok, I'm going to do that
[00:06] <nixternal> ooh, that is pretty nice
[00:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: freeflying was never member according to kubuntu-members former members list, so I suppose he should apply for kubuntu membership
[00:42] <freeflying> apachelogger: how come I was never kubuntu membership?
[00:43] <apachelogger> freeflying: you are at least not appearing anywhere
[00:44] <apachelogger> maybe timeouts do not show up at all, but only manual deactivations
[00:44] <apachelogger> freeflying: are you sure you were kubuntu member?
[00:44] <freeflying> apachelogger: sure
[00:44] <apachelogger> well, ok, if Riddell and you are positive on that I assume reinstatement is appropriate
[00:46] <apachelogger> seele, Riddell, JontheEchidna, Nightrose: ^ I am readding freeflying (lp:~zhengpeng-hou) as kubuntu-member
[00:46] <apachelogger> freeflying: done
[00:46] <freeflying> apachelogger: thx
[00:46] <apachelogger> yw
[00:51] <Lex79> colibri needs review: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/colibri
[00:52] <jjesse> good evening ever since updating to the most recent beta choqok crashes every time i start it up, it launches and starts showing me my tweets and dents, anyone else havign issues with choqok?
[00:52] <freeflying> jjesse: seems works fine here
[00:54] <Riddell> I think there's a new choqok we should be packaging anyway
[00:56] <Riddell> apachelogger: you can revert the topic now
[00:56] <apachelogger> kubotu: topic restore
[00:57] <apachelogger> kubotu: topic del 5
[00:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: better?
[00:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: is Quintasan still not confirmed?
[00:59] <Riddell> I've not heard anything
[01:00] <apachelogger> hm, nixternal gave a +1 which should result in quorum
[01:00]  * apachelogger goes poking
[01:05] <jjesse> freeflying: what do you use as your notifcation libnotify or knotify?
[01:06] <freeflying> jjesse: libnotify
[01:08] <daskreech> is http://gould.cx/ted/blog/Having_a_tidy_systray from Ubuntu's prodding ?
[01:11] <apachelogger> daskreech: more like kde's inovatitionism :P
[01:11] <apachelogger> though without canonical that would never have reached a cross-desktop span
[01:13] <jjesse> freeflying: hrmm using knotify myself wonder whats going on
[01:16] <daskreech> apachelogger: Well we know we have the better tech but as I recall there was some recoil when it was suggested that Gnome actually make use of it
[01:17] <apachelogger> yeah, though gnome, so I have been told, was not too motivated
[01:17] <daskreech> koffice-kde4: Depends: krita-kde4 (>= 1:2.0.2-2ubuntu3)
[01:17] <apachelogger> canonical however considered it a good idea and is now brining it to gnome
[01:17] <daskreech> apachelogger: that's all I was asking :)
[01:18] <apachelogger> and honest to whatever you believe in most, having the spec applied acrross desktops makes much more sense from a user POV
[01:18] <apachelogger> hence I find this step very important
[01:18] <daskreech> apachelogger: of course that's why there is a xdg in the first place
[01:18] <daskreech> I wish that the stupid *dm would follow a spec
[01:19] <daskreech> Really annoying to lose the abilty to control the computer just because of a default DM
[01:19] <apachelogger> dms are a general problem
[01:20] <apachelogger> AFAIK both kdm and gdm are based upon xdm, but what they stack upon the xdm base is so no standardizied it is quite horirblye actually
[01:20] <daskreech> Which is why I wish someone (by someone I mean Gnome and KDE of course) would sit down and propose a standard
[01:21] <ScottK> So clearly we need dmdm
[01:21] <daskreech> theming and all that junk can be tossed out. Just make computer wide crucial actions able to be passed along in some fashion
[01:21]  * apachelogger thinks that theming might be the easier thing there
[01:22] <daskreech> I don't care about the theme possibiltes
[01:22] <apachelogger> just propose some base spec which both kdm and gdm must comply to, then define some fallback rules and all is done
[01:22] <apachelogger> makes gdm users able to use kdm themes and vice versa
[01:23] <daskreech> sharing themes is a noble win for the fashion concious consumer but having to logout to get a hibernate button is just plain stupid
[01:23] <apachelogger> well
[01:23] <apachelogger> that is more of a structural problem inhereted by Xorg
[01:24] <apachelogger> X needs to be run as root
[01:24] <apachelogger> hence kdm needs to be run as root to invoke X
[01:24] <daskreech> yes but KDE loaded from KDM can shutdown etc and Gnome loaded from GDM can do so as well
[01:24] <apachelogger> of course X running as a different user than the desktop session within the X makes it kind of difficult to streamline deskto -> dm communication
[01:25] <daskreech> but KDE from GDM? No no no computer control for you
[01:25] <daskreech> You get logout and that is all
[01:25] <apachelogger> yeah, but that is difficult to spec, because the shotdown systems of KDE and GNOME are not very similar to my knowledge
[01:26] <apachelogger> daskreech: take a look at the ksmserver code and the kdm one
[01:26] <apachelogger> ksmserver really just emits a signal to kdm that lets it do the shutdown
[01:26] <apachelogger> ultimately that signal would be done via dbus, hence being dm agnostic
[01:26] <daskreech> apachelogger: which is why I said allow a passthrough
[01:27] <apachelogger> BUT, dbus depends on hal and hal depends on a load of crap to start, thus using dbus here would prevent early startup of the dekstop manager
[01:27] <apachelogger> AFIAK again
[01:28] <apachelogger> daskreech: I think that is not posixy
[01:28] <daskreech> either have KDM and GDM agree on common functionality and then have a proxy that passes on requests from the DE or have them turn over control to a second party system which gets decided by the De at init time
[01:28] <apachelogger> same reason you cannot invoke halt without sudo halt
[01:29] <apachelogger> daskreech: a common system creates cpu overhead most likely (see earlier discussion about unavoidable more calculations with gzip compressed content on a web server
[01:29] <daskreech> Yeah it's an annoying issue but I guess I'm just more annoyed that no one even thinks it's an issue
[01:29] <apachelogger> daskreech: well, from a regular user perspective it is not much of an issue
[01:30] <apachelogger> since she will either install kubuntu or ubuntu, hence hend up with a desktop fitting the dm
[01:30] <apachelogger> but I understand you point, and I also find that limiation rather silly
[01:30] <daskreech> apachelogger: under the assumption of a home type user
[01:30] <jjesse> this may be the most technical converstation i've seen here in awhile
[01:30] <jjesse> and i don't understand most of it :)
[01:31] <daskreech> jjesse: Short break Down is X Sucks
[01:31] <jjesse> haha
[01:32] <apachelogger> I wouldnt even say that, X mostly is just bound to limiations of a plain/orignal posix system
[01:32] <daskreech> It's amazing at how I can distill most reasons for why Linux is horrible to use down to Propietary Software, Hardware manufacturers and X suck
[01:32] <apachelogger> which requires X to run as root, whereas modern linux system can actually hand X being run a user (hence X having user space permission sets)
[01:32]  * daskreech ponders a DM built on wayland
[01:33] <apachelogger> daskreech: X is just horrible to hack at
[01:33] <daskreech> X.org is just the most perplexing aspect of a FOSS ecosystem to me
[01:33] <apachelogger> possibly much more than the kernel even
[01:33] <apachelogger> if you break something  in X the likelyhood of affecting a lot of people is a lot higher
[01:33] <daskreech> I know! and in a FOSS framework for any other possible aspect X would have been forked
[01:34] <apachelogger> also I personally find that graphics stuff a lot more complex than regular OS work
[01:34] <daskreech> But in the entire multiverse of FOSS X stands as the only program that does not have a reasonable illusion of choice
[01:34] <apachelogger> daskreech: it does not need to be forked, in fact xorg already is a fork :P
[01:34] <daskreech> You use X and you like it. There are no alternatives
[01:34] <apachelogger> xorg is a fork of xfree
[01:35] <apachelogger> daskreech: because X is considerable complex structure
[01:35] <daskreech> I know and it will get better but that doesn't change that it sucks
[01:35] <apachelogger> implementing a competior from scratch is a real PITA
[01:35] <daskreech> apachelogger: by that do you mean X11 ?
[01:35] <apachelogger> X11 is a standard or something
[01:35] <jjesse> i wrote one while i was sitting here :)
[01:35] <apachelogger> Xfree86 is the implementation X.org was forked from
[01:35] <daskreech> Exactly with for all purposes a single implementation
[01:36] <kallecarl> nixternal: all done documents edited and looked at after "make all" . You wrote "validate" docs. How is .../scripts/validate.sh run against docs?
[01:36] <daskreech> which in the framework of how FOSS normally works is just astounding to me
[01:36] <apachelogger> well, you only have one intel driver at this point :P
[01:37] <daskreech> You have two nvidia and ATI drivers
[01:39] <apachelogger> well, that is because of prop vs free
[01:40] <apachelogger> not competior vs competior
[01:40] <daskreech> if Intel made a long term lets break everything policy intel's drivers would fork
[01:40] <apachelogger> some stuff is just awful to work on
[01:40] <daskreech> I know that :(
[01:40] <apachelogger> hence there will be no forking
[01:40] <apachelogger> I doubt that linux woud be forked
[01:40] <daskreech> and as I said there will be a time it gets better
[01:40] <apachelogger> much more likely it is that people move to bsd or other free OS
[01:40] <daskreech> apachelogger: But you have a choice of BSD
[01:40] <daskreech> and haiku
[01:40] <daskreech> and HURD
[01:40] <daskreech> or as it's commonly known HU HU HU HURD
[01:40] <kallecarl> and Windows 7
[01:40] <daskreech> kallecarl: Speaking in terms of FOSS ecosystem
[01:40] <kallecarl> i know couldn't resist
[01:40] <apachelogger> only a couple of months until win7 will be gpled
[01:40] <apachelogger> because some essential part of the kernel is identified to violate the gpl or something :P
[01:40] <kallecarl> in this case, what does gpl stand for?
[01:40] <daskreech> but even if you choose Postgresql with nginx nd Ruby on BSD over mysql with apache and python on Linux on both of them you get X.org
[01:40] <daskreech> cause there is no choice
[01:40] <kallecarl> good ph..kg luck
[01:41] <apachelogger> daskreech: you can use xfree86 :P
[01:41] <jjesse> kallecarl:  i think you can just do the validate.sh and then the doc you want to validate against
[01:41] <daskreech> kallecarl: MS shall feel the force of our lawyers!!!
[01:41] <daskreech> I should see when they last made a release
[01:41] <apachelogger> not that it would be better, because it applies the same stupid basic paradigms crated like 20 years ago
[01:41] <kallecarl> jjesse: thanks
[01:41] <apachelogger> but then, so does the very core of openoffice and no one is complaining there
[01:42] <kallecarl> I'll try it
[01:42] <daskreech> apachelogger: but the relative spec that's built against is Documents and ODF noticeably for which there are alternatives
[01:42] <daskreech> one of which will not install due to KDE 4.4 b1 on Koala
[01:42] <daskreech> koffice-kde4: Depends: krita-kde4 (>= 1:2.0.2-2ubuntu3)
[01:42]  * daskreech brings the chan back to Doktoring
[01:46] <apachelogger> daskreech: those are pardigms, not specs
[01:46] <apachelogger> well odf is a spec, but it is based on a pardigm
[01:46] <apachelogger> the paradigm of having documents stored digiatally
[01:46] <apachelogger> with formatting and all
[01:46] <apachelogger> X is implementing a paradigm, it just leaks competing implemations for that pardigm
[01:46] <apachelogger> osx doesnt use X AFAIK, so they created a competing implementation, the thin gis that it is just not free hence no option for a free OS
[01:46] <daskreech> and Windows has their own I know
[01:46] <daskreech> again I was speaking within the constraints of choices for a FOSS multiverse
[01:46] <apachelogger> well, windows is not posix based, but yes they also implement a visual paradigm
[01:52] <daskreech> right if we are speaking of paradigms ;)
[01:54] <apachelogger> well, if we are talking at stack based implementations than whatever osx uses is as clsoe to a competitor to X as it gets
[01:55] <apachelogger> and as I said, implementing those  kinds of paradigms is a real PITA thus there will be no from-scratch implemenation be done unless absolutely necessary
[01:56] <apachelogger> which, considering the IMHO pretty obious superiority of osx' graphics stacks over X might not be that bad of an idea after all
[01:56] <apachelogger> then again you need to motivate the people and all
[01:56] <apachelogger> open source is a lot more complex than prop driven development IMHO
[01:57] <apachelogger> social stuff plays much a greater role, also you cannot tell people what to do
[01:57] <apachelogger> most of the time anyway :S
[02:03] <kallecarl> nixternal, jjesse: validated, proposed merge. Please let me know if anything didn't work properly.
[02:03] <daskreech> social stuff in FOSS rocks ;)
[02:03] <kallecarl> anti-social too
[02:19] <jjesse> kallecar reviewing now
[02:19] <jjesse> doh he left
[02:19] <jjesse> nixternal:  shouldn't we create a new entitity to refrence the change to the branding for &kde;
[02:32]  * ScottK notes the irony of Asiego blogging about the  importance of having one single location be "The KDE source code".
[02:58] <stackedagainst> hey, I'm hoping to get in touch with one of the devs
[02:59] <stackedagainst> there is a launchpad bug filed for the kubuntu ppa, bug 497562.  Is this part of a public testing call?
[03:01] <daskreech> stackedagainst: I'm not sure what you mean
[03:01] <daskreech> As long as you are using FOSS there is a call for the public to test
[03:02] <stackedagainst> daskreech: thanks for responding.  The bug squad policy is to close PPA bugs as invalid and notify the devs, unless its a public announced testing initiative of a big ubuntu team
[03:03] <stackedagainst> basically, I'm just notifying you guys about the PPA bug, because I dont think there is another way to file a bug against a PPA
[03:06] <ScottK> stackedagainst: We have a kubuntu-ppa project that takes such bugs, just move it there.
[03:07] <stackedagainst> ScottK: thank you, will do. :)
[03:12] <daskreech> stackedagainst: sorry one process was taking up 100% of my CPU another was taking 72% and a third was taking up 55% so in short everything froze
[03:12] <stackedagainst> daskreech: no problem, Scott helped me out :)
[03:12] <daskreech> Yeah caught up now
[03:25] <JontheEchidna> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/JonathanThomas/CoreDevApplication
[03:27] <JontheEchidna> It wouldn't feel right to copy/paste endorsements from the kubuntu-dev app, and the feedback might change given the context anyways
[03:28] <JontheEchidna> ScottK, apachelogger, Riddell, ^
[03:32] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: How would you feel about copying and pasting it and then I'll edit it a bit?
[03:32] <JontheEchidna> as long as it's ok with the sponsor
[03:32] <JontheEchidna> which it is in this case :P
[03:32] <ScottK> OK with me.
[03:34] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: done
[03:36] <ScottK> looking
[03:37] <stackedagainst> thanks guys for the help with the bug, I've added a kubuntu PPA task to it
[03:39] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Done.
[03:39] <ScottK> Well done as soon as w.k.o catches up
[03:39] <JontheEchidna> heh
[05:05] <nixternal> hrmm, colibri doesn't work with 4.4, for me
[06:09] <nixternal> Riddell: what do you think about having a doc that we can place on the desktop/netbook workspace on a Live CD or after install to introduce people to what's going? I was thinking along the lines of a 'welcome-desktop' and 'welcome-netbook' instead of the 'about' one we used before
[06:10]  * nixternal beds
[06:56] <Quintasan> apachelogger: unfortunately not :/
[09:21]  * Lure gets some quassel crashes recently
[11:00] <ghostcube> ehlo :)
[11:14] <ghostcube> guys http://blog.freenode.net/2009/11/testing-the-nets/
[12:01] <apachelogger> Quintasan_: congrats
[12:04] <apachelogger> jussi01: do you think meeting minutes would have use in general?
[12:04] <apachelogger> if so we probably should streamline the process a bit to make it less likely that no one does it ;)
[12:06] <jussi01> apachelogger: I think they should be done, yes. there is a team report thing that might be useful.
[12:07] <apachelogger> jussi01: mind digging it up?
[12:07]  * apachelogger notes that team reports != meeting minutes :P
[12:07] <jussi01> apachelogger: 1 min
[12:07] <apachelogger> actually
[12:07] <apachelogger> whatever happened to team reports
[12:07] <apachelogger> I remember we usually fighted to come up with some useful information every now and then for that :D
[12:07] <apachelogger> did they get abandonned?
[12:07] <jussi01> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports
[12:07] <Lure> apachelogger: do you know who (beside Riddell) can increase kubuntu-ppa/beta (we are at 3GB with 1 GB cap)
[12:08] <jussi01> apachelogger: theres a template there that makes it a bit easier
[12:08] <apachelogger> Lure: Riddell cannot, only soyuz devs can
[12:09] <apachelogger> Lure: just post a question like https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+question/73122 regarding soyuz
[12:09] <apachelogger> possibly you could also try finding someone in #launchpad to speed up the processing a bit ;)
[12:10] <apachelogger> jussi01: I dont want to be bitchy again, but having that kind of stuff done in a wiki is just horrible :P
[12:11] <apachelogger> one could propably master up a more efficient approach in rails in like half an hour
[12:11] <Lure> apachelogger: thanks, done: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+question/94361
[12:13] <jussi01> apachelogger: well... Im guessing patches are welcome :P
[12:13]  * jussi01 hugs apachelogger
[12:13] <apachelogger> jussi01: well, obviously that would only be used if done inside lp
[12:13] <apachelogger> and after looking at the code once I do not feel like doing that again for the next year or so :P
[12:14] <apachelogger> kdelibs is less scary
[12:16] <jussi01> apachelogger: I think nhandler is the guy you want to talk to about it in anycase...
[12:16]  * apachelogger also finds it rahter silly that the wiki pages are themed inline
[12:16] <apachelogger> my lecturer on internet and nu media would go all mad when he saw that :P
[12:17] <apachelogger> jussi01: yeah, so it seems :)
[12:18] <apachelogger> ulysses__: you should really report a bug about the stasks vs. smooth tasks
[12:18] <ulysses__> apachelogger: I'll do it
[12:22] <jussi01> I thought smooth tasks didnt allow the icon only in the systray...
[12:22] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[12:23] <jussi01> this 4.4 beta is somewhat annoying tbh... I guess Ill get used to it though
[12:29] <ulysses__> bug 497742
[12:32] <Quintasan|Szel> Yeah! I iz MOTU
[12:32] <ulysses__> Congratulation Quintasan|Szel
[12:35] <Quintasan|Szel> hurr, that damned wireless
[12:40] <Riddell> Lure: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+question/94262
[12:40] <Riddell> ug, I hurt, back to bed for me
[12:41] <Lure> Riddell: maybe we get twice the space now that we have two open questions ;-)
[12:41] <Riddell> :)
[12:52] <freeflying> Quintasan|Szel: welcome then :)
[12:56] <Quintasan|Szel> so I need to find a minion
[12:56] <Quintasan|Szel> :3
[12:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: where comes the hurtery from?
[13:08] <apachelogger> Xand3r_: ping ping ping
[13:10] <apachelogger> Xand3r_: about krandr from 4.4 ... I actually still had the sources around and svn upped them ... to build you'd go mkdir build; cd build; cmake .. -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr && cd kcontrol/randr && make && sudo make install
[13:11] <apachelogger> it is super important that you go to the randr dir before make, otherwise the build will fail due to api incompability of 4.4 stuff on 4.3
[13:12] <apachelogger> Xand3r_: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/src/workspace-krandr-r1063223.tar.lzma
[13:17]  * ghostcube wonders why we congrat Quintasan  o.o
[13:17] <ghostcube> :)
[13:18] <Quintasan_> :O
[13:18] <ghostcube> :D
[13:18] <ghostcube> :P
[13:19] <apachelogger> Quintasan_: there you have someone to make a minion
[13:19] <ghostcube> Quintasan congrats just joking :P
[13:19] <ghostcube> höhö
[13:19] <Quintasan> so, aboard the MOTU ship :P
[13:20] <ghostcube> :)
[13:21] <apachelogger> now whom did I wanna write a mail?
[13:21]  * apachelogger is not much use today
[13:21] <ghostcube> steve jobs .. he should lend me all his money
[13:22] <ghostcube> o.o
[13:22] <Quintasan> like what
[13:22] <Quintasan> "Hey Steve, borrow me all your money so I can waste it on girls and alcohol"
[13:22] <ghostcube> apachelogger: heh you testet ssl :) i think thi is cool step to get freenode more nuke free
[13:22] <ghostcube> nah
[13:22] <ghostcube> steve give me your money my car needs love
[13:22] <apachelogger> ahh
[13:22] <ghostcube> my flat needs love
[13:22] <Quintasan> kubotu: order cookies for apachelogger
[13:22]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to apachelogger.
[13:22] <apachelogger> indeed
[13:22] <apachelogger> welll, not steve
[13:22] <Quintasan> apachelogger: there you go
[13:23] <apachelogger> but mark
[13:23] <apachelogger> Quintasan: thx
[13:23] <apachelogger> ghostcube: I shall feel more secure with ssl really
[13:24] <ghostcube> :|
[13:25] <ghostcube> this sarkasm is not good for you
[13:25] <Quintasan> http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/93/advicecolumn.jpg
[13:25] <Quintasan> lol just lol
[13:25] <ghostcube> it will eat you up
[13:25] <Quintasan> sarKasm version 4.4
[13:26] <ghostcube> Quintasan nice article
[13:26] <ghostcube> :D
[13:27] <Quintasan> That's just awesome, this guy failed so much it was a win in the end
[13:29] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: Could you put gtk-qt-engine on the sync blacklist and delete it again?
[13:35] <amichair> Quintasan: congrats :-)
[13:45] <Quintasan> amichair: thanks
[13:56] <markey> hey guys
[13:56] <markey> got a question:
[13:56] <markey> Karmic currently has libMTP version 0.3
[13:56] <markey> there is 1.0 out in the meantime
[13:56] <markey> I need to test a bug in that lib, to make sure it's not Amarok's fault
[13:56] <markey> has anyone got a package of it? :)
[13:56] <markey> 0.3 is ancient
[13:57] <Mamarok> markey: it is in lucid, it would need to be backported to Karmic
[13:57] <markey> if anyone could do that, it would make me very happy
[13:57] <markey> cause these bugs are very grave
[13:58] <markey> can make Amarok freeze several minutes
[13:58] <markey> (and even crash your MTP device)
[13:58] <Mamarok> and is the potential cause for MTP problems in a few other bugs
[13:59] <bbigras> is there any progress or interest in having an updated package to fix the MALLOC_CHECK_ problem?
[14:01] <markey> bbigras: that issue also is very grave... causes countless crashes
[14:02] <markey> should really try to get an updated GLIBC asap
[14:02] <bbigras> markey: yes, I feel bad for the guys triaging bugs
[14:02] <markey> really, it causes crazy memory corruptions
[14:02] <markey> makes your head smoke
[14:02] <bbigras> it's a bit of a pita to test 4.4 with it
[14:03] <markey> if possible in any way, I would recommend that Karmic gets that an update too
[14:03] <markey> (dunno if that requires building $WORLD, or not)
[14:04] <markey> the bug might theoretically be exploitable (though I haven't read of an exploit yet)
[14:04] <bbigras> yes it would be nice to have it for karmic too, that's what I use to work on KDE
[14:04] <agateau> Riddell: ping
[14:04] <Mamarok> bbigras: the ubuntu devs know about, cjwatson promised to have a look at getting the new glibc version in and backported
[14:05] <bbigras> Mamarok: nice, thanks
[14:07] <Riddell> agateau: hi
[14:08] <agateau> Riddell: I'd like to request an SRU for gwenview ( #497769 )
[14:08] <agateau> mmm, the bot did not get this one, bug #497769
[14:09] <agateau> Riddell: what's the best way to do this?
[14:10] <Riddell> agateau: find someone to package it and upload it, then subscribe ubuntu-sru and pitti will get to it at some point
[14:10] <agateau> Riddell: ok, I'll have a look at packaging it, thanks!
[14:11] <Riddell> agateau: sorry I seem to be ill today and not in a state of mind to help
[14:11] <agateau> Riddell: sure, no problem
[14:11] <agateau> Riddell: I should be able to do it myself
[14:13] <markey> apachelogger: ping
[14:13] <maco2> Quintasan: hey, congrats!
[14:13] <apachelogger> maco2: pong
[14:13] <apachelogger> eh markey: pong
[14:13] <apachelogger> maco2: though, ahoy, did you get anywhere with kmess upstream?
[14:13] <markey> apachelogger: do you happen to have a backport of libMTP 1.0 (or 1.0.1) for Karmic somewhere?
[14:13]  * apachelogger feels he asked that at some point already
[14:13] <markey> I really need that urgently
[14:14] <Quintasan> maco2: Thanks! :D
[14:14] <apachelogger> markey: nope
[14:14] <markey> 0.3 is so buggy it can crash your MTP device
[14:14] <apachelogger> Quintasan: ^
[14:14] <apachelogger> wanna backport?
[14:14] <Mamarok> Quintasan: you would do us a big favor
[14:14]  * apachelogger is writing a super important mail to the dictator right now :P
[14:14] <markey> check this:
[14:14] <Riddell> markey, apachelogger: libmtp should be in stating or beta or something
[14:14] <markey> PTP_ERROR_IO: Trying again after re-initializing USB interface
[14:14] <markey> usb_claim_interface(): Bad file descriptor
[14:14] <markey> LIBMTP PANIC: Could not open session on device
[14:14] <Riddell> staging
[14:14] <markey> after that, I had to hard-reset my Sansa player
[14:15] <markey> (and it froze Amarok for 40 seconds)
[14:15] <apachelogger> rockbox ftw
[14:15] <markey> Riddell: can you explain to me how to get it?
[14:15] <markey> apachelogger: no, the Sansa actually has really good firmware by default
[14:15] <Quintasan> I disapprove of Sansa
[14:15] <markey> as opposed to most other players
[14:15] <Quintasan> Rockbox > * :P
[14:15] <apachelogger> I know, I have some sansa thingy too
[14:16] <Riddell> markey: sorry ill, back to snoozing now
[14:16] <markey> I _love_ the device :)
[14:16] <apachelogger> but srsly ever since I flashed it with rockbox I would not even think about going back
[14:16] <Quintasan> Riddell: so no need to backport it?
[14:16] <apachelogger> rockbox is just so flexible in about every aspect
[14:16] <markey> note: not all Sansa's are the same. I have a "Sansa Clip"
[14:16]  * Quintasan hugs his Sansa E260 with Air theme
[14:16] <maco2> apachelogger: no, i have to check with them again. i was in "ahhh must study to pass finals" mode, but exams are done now, so will try again. the upstream dev they said was most likely to know was *also* busy that day
[14:16] <Quintasan> Riddell: no need to backport then?
[14:17] <apachelogger> markey: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libmtp
[14:17] <markey> apachelogger: thanks :)
[14:17] <apachelogger> underneat the version history for official ubuntu stuff you will find a list of packages in a ppa
[14:17] <Mamarok> Quintasan: rockbox doesn't work for all devices, libmtp would really be nice to have, and we could at least test
[14:17] <apachelogger> markey: so if it was in some ppa or the backports repo it would always show up there
[14:17] <apachelogger> in this particular case we seem to have 1.0.1 in the beta ppa
[14:18] <Mamarok> apachelogger: you sure? I only see it in Lucid
[14:18] <apachelogger> underneath the offical versions!
[14:19] <Mamarok> cause 4.4 beta comes with Qt 4.6, an even bigger problem :(
[14:19] <apachelogger> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/beta/ubuntu karmic main
[14:19] <apachelogger> add that
[14:19] <apachelogger> then run sudo apt-get install libmtp8 libmtp-dev mtp-tools
[14:19] <apachelogger> then remove above line again
[14:20] <apachelogger> no need to upgrade to kde 4.4 ;)
[14:20] <Mamarok> yep, thanks, I didn't see the link earlier :)
[14:20] <apachelogger> or you download the debs manually
[14:20] <apachelogger> https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta/+packages?field.name_filter=mtp&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
[14:20] <apachelogger> at the very least you need libmtp8 and -dev
[14:21] <apachelogger> maco2: oh, ok :)
[14:24] <markey> brb
[14:25] <Quintasan> What's with my connection today, grrr
[14:36] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: That (gtk-qt-engine) needs an archive admin with shell acess (e.g. Riddell).
[14:36] <JontheEchidna> it's all black magic to me ;-)
[14:45] <Riddell> wk
[14:52] <ghostcube> hmmm i think the splits wont happen on the new testnet
[14:52] <ghostcube> cause different ports
[15:02] <rgreening> did virtuoso not be added to beta backports?
[15:10] <rgreening> Lex79: ^
[15:17] <ulysses__> Hello, I'm working on bug 497742
[15:17] <ulysses__> Currently I want to write the control file. My question is, what should I write as build depends?
[15:22] <rgreening> anyone else having compositing failing on KDE 4.4 beta1?
[15:23] <Quintasan> ulysses__: don't bother, I did the stasks package so I will replace it right away
[15:24] <Quintasan> ulysses__: or hell, if you do it I can upload it now :P
[15:24] <ScottK> rgreening: Known issue for some cards.
[15:24] <ulysses__> Quintasan: I'm just learning the packaging from Ubuntu Wiki :/
[15:24] <Quintasan> ulysses__:  pkg-kde-tools, kdelibs5-dev, kdebase-workspace-dev
[15:25] <Quintasan> ulysses__: and in debian/rules
[15:25] <Quintasan> ulysses__: http://pastebin.com/f7f2ae98d
[15:25] <Quintasan> since we use pkg-kde-tools for plasmoids etc.
[15:25] <rgreening> ScottK: hmm... for Intel ? wow... that's a bad sign
[15:25] <rgreening> :)
[15:27] <Xand3r> apachelogger: hey have you some time for me? #kde and #kde-devel are ignoring me.
[15:27] <Quintasan> ulysses__: I'm not busy so feel free to poke me if you have any problems
[15:27] <Quintasan> ulysses__: are you using pbuilder yet?
[15:28] <ScottK> Quintasan: Congratulations.
[15:28] <Quintasan> ScottK: Thanks :)
[15:28] <ulysses__> Quintasan: No, I'm trying to make the packagae from scratch https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete#Packaging%20from%20Scratch
[15:29] <ScottK> Quintasan: Now that you can upload, kgraphviewer, plasma-widget-mail, and kopete-cryptography all need to be switched to boost1.40 from boost1.38 (and are in Universe)
[15:29] <Quintasan> ulysses__: Pbuilder is used to testbuild packages, so you can check what build-dependecies you missed and what files are not installed
[15:30] <Quintasan> ScottK: okay, I'll do it right away
[15:30] <tsimpson> figuring out the build-depends takes digging around, trial and error.
[15:30] <tsimpson> kdelibs5-dev is a good start though
[15:35] <Quintasan> ScottK: also, do I need to add some sort of entry to dput or I just upload package without specifing upload destination?
[15:36] <ScottK> Quintasan: The default is to upload to Ubuntu, but you will want to change that so you don't accidentally upload something to the archive that you intended for a PPA.
[15:38] <refic> how's lucid today?
[15:41] <Quintasan> ScottK: one more thing, changelog should point lucid or karmic?
[15:42] <Quintasan> oh wait 1.40 means lucid
[15:42] <Quintasan> hurr
[16:10] <Quintasan> ScottK: kgraphviewer uploaded
[16:13] <JontheEchidna> grats Quintasan
[16:13] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: thanks
[16:16] <JontheEchidna> Any core dev up for sponsoring kdebase-runtime from bzr and http://jmthomas.toniox.org/phonon-backends_4.3.80-0ubuntu1.dsc ?
[16:18] <Lex79> Quintasan: congrats ! :)
[16:19] <Quintasan1> Lex79: thanks :)
[16:20] <Quintasan1> I just don't get whats with my connection :/
[16:21] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: did you reply? my connection really sucks today
[16:21] <JontheEchidna> reply to what?
[16:22] <Quintasan> oh nice, my message didnt get send
[16:22] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: http://pastebin.com/m2eb4fbb6 <-- what's wrong, I'm doing debuild
[16:22] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[16:23] <JontheEchidna> oh, you need pkg-kde-tools 0.5 to use dh --with kde
[16:23] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I'll get it.
[16:23] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: Thanks. Thanks for getting Qt sponsored too
[16:24] <ScottK> No problem. Glad to do it.
[16:25] <JontheEchidna> it's all just a bit frustrating
[16:25] <ScottK> Understand.
[16:25] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: when you have time http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/colibri
[16:26] <JontheEchidna> Sure
[16:27] <Lex79> thanks
[16:28] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Is kcm-phonon-xine in the archive (and in Main) yet?
[16:29] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: split from kdebase-runtime and -runtime-data
[16:29] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Yes, but has it landed in Main?  rmadison doesn't know of it yet.
[16:29] <JontheEchidna> It's not been uploaded yet
[16:30] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: How about if we do that one first so we don't break installability?
[16:30] <JontheEchidna> oh, yeah. I suppose the order I requested them in is wrong :P
[16:32] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I'd prefer to see if the current armel build for runtime succeeds before we upload runtime again
[16:32] <JontheEchidna> Ok
[16:37] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: your package needs a build-depend on pkg-kde-tools
[16:38] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: build fine here without pkg-kde-tools
[16:39] <Lex79> iirc no warning and no errors
[16:39] <nixternal> maco: how can I get someone to be a mod for our loco's forum?
[16:39] <JontheEchidna> The --with kde requires files from pkg-kde-tools
[16:40] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: for what? for building package or for others stuff ?
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> For --with-kde to work pkg-kde-tools must be present
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> while it will build without --with-kde, --with kde provides the default CMake flags that debian/kubuntu use
[16:42] <Lex79> uhm ok I will add it
[16:42] <JontheEchidna> The package loooks fine otherwise
[16:44] <nixternal> maco: nevermind
[16:45] <apachelogger> Xand3r: I am leaving for AVATAR in a bit
[16:49] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: thanks, reuploaded
[16:56] <ghostcube> apachelogger: take a cam with you
[16:56] <ghostcube> i want a copy :P
[16:58] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: runtime failed on armel again.  Would you please consider if you have ideas how to fix it before you uplaod: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-runtime/4:4.3.80-0ubuntu8/+build/1396928/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-armel.kdebase-runtime_4:4.3.80-0ubuntu8_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[17:01] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: Uploading 0ubuntu9 will fix that. The phonon stuff was never removed from the .install.armel files
[17:01] <Lex79> ScottK: did you try to remove kdebase-runtime.install.armel from the package or edit that ?
[17:01] <Quintasan> ScottK: I think we are missing few files to kopete-cryptography to build, kleopatra includes to be exact, cmake fails to find them and kdepimlibs5-dev are installed
[17:01] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Cool.
[17:01] <JontheEchidna> but now that we build phonon support again, it'll all be there
[17:01] <ScottK> Lex79: I did not.  This was upload a long time ago, I just retried it today
[17:02] <ScottK> Quintasan: Not sure on that one.  kleopatra is in Universe, so maybe something gets left out.
[17:10] <Quintasan> HURR
[17:12] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: kdemultimedia needs changing in bzr, still depends on mplayer instead of mplayer OR mplayer-nogui
[17:12] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: it should be mplayer | mplayer-nogui?
[17:12] <JontheEchidna> maybe mplayer-nogui | mplayer, to give nogui preference
[17:13] <Quintasan> I'll change and push
[17:13] <JontheEchidna> thx
[17:14] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: UNRELEASED or lucid normally?
[17:14]  * Quintasan is always confused
[17:14] <JontheEchidna> UNRELEASED, unless you're uploading it right then
[17:14] <JontheEchidna> the upload sponsor will change to lucid and upload to ubuntu
[17:16] <ScottK> Quintasan: Also mplayerthumbs source needs to be removed. 1.2-kde4.3.2-0ubuntu1 is still there.
[17:17] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: pushed
[17:17] <Quintasan> ScottK: how come? it grabs kdemultimedia source, at least in karmic
[17:17] <Quintasan> ulysses__: how are stasks going?
[17:18] <ScottK> It used to be a separate source package.  That's still there and needs to be removed because we build the binary out of kdemultimedia now.
[17:18] <ulysses__> Quintasan: Ah, I can't understand the method of packaging :(
[17:18] <Quintasan> ulysses__: where are you stuck?
[17:18] <ScottK> Quintasan: Try rmadison mplayerthumbs and see the results.
[17:19] <Quintasan> ScottK: nice tool, thanks :)
[17:19] <Quintasan> ScottK: How do I remove things? I can do it myself or I need to poke someone?
[17:19] <ScottK> Quintasan: You can rmadison -u debian [PACKAGE] to see what is there.
[17:20] <ulysses__> Quintasan: Last time I tried to write the control file, no I read Herbert's book, the Dune :P
[17:20] <ScottK> Quintasan: You file a bug asking for removal and subscribe ubuntu-archive.  There's a wiki page somewhere that describes it.
[17:20] <ScottK> Quintasan: Alternatively ask Riddell and he'll just do it sometimes, but that's not the official procedure.
[17:20] <Quintasan> ScottK: okay will get to it asap
[17:21] <ScottK> Quintasan: Make it clear you only want source removed, not binary
[17:21] <Quintasan> ulysses__: I'm pretty sure I gave you exact dependecies to be put into control file, what's the problem now?
[17:23] <ulysses__> Quintasan: Sorry, i had no more pleasure
[17:24] <Quintasan> ulysses__: okay, I no pressure, I just wanted to know whether you are working on it
[17:24] <Quintasan> ulysses__: I wanted to do it after my MOTU approval but I won't take away your work :P
[17:26]  * Quintasan hopes to go to next UDS
[18:14] <ejat> Cannot load part for Calendar. Could not find plugin 'korganizerpart' for application 'kontact' <-- any info about this?
[18:27] <Lex79> ejat: it's disabled because fails to build from source in beta1, we will try to build it again for beta2
[18:28] <ejat> thanks Lex79
[18:28] <Lex79> no problem
[18:28] <ejat> is there somewhere showing the timeline for KDE SC 4.4 ?
[18:29]  * ejat discover its kinda lag a bit while typing ...
[18:30] <ejat> its a bugs or desktop effect (kwin) ?
[18:32] <Lex79> for timeline here: http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.4_Release_Schedule
[18:35] <ejat> luckily beta 2 is on dec 22nd
[18:36] <ejat> a few day to wait :) hope to get the improvement ..
[19:48] <dhillon-v10> nixternal, hi :D how are you
[19:52] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: How's the runtime update coming?
[19:53] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: Dunno, I was waiting for you to sponsor it :P
[19:53] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Did you give it to me?  I remember just the phonon backends one.
[19:53] <JontheEchidna> It's in bzr
[19:54] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Did you testbuild, etc?
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> yeah, testbuild and running
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> it's in -ninjas too
[19:54] <ScottK> OK
[19:55] <JontheEchidna> Anybody else noticed that bazaar.launchpad.net is being hella slow?
[19:57] <ScottK> Noticing it right now.
[19:57] <ScottK> (trying to pull your runtime update)
[19:57] <JontheEchidna> all hail the might lunchpad
[19:57] <JontheEchidna> *mighty
[19:58] <Daskreech> MMMM a pad of Lunch
[20:00] <Mamarok> lunch? where's lunch? nomnom
[20:10] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: "bazaar.launchpad.net is down, but being fixed"
[20:10] <JontheEchidna> figures
[20:11] <JontheEchidna> I'll pastebin the diff.gz, un-gz'd
[20:12] <Lex79> oh, figures is for -> I see -> I understand ? :)
[20:13] <JontheEchidna> Not exactly. It's more like "Yeah, it makes sense that that happened"
[20:14] <Lex79> ah ok :)
[20:17] <JontheEchidna> D:
[20:17] <JontheEchidna> .!!!~~~~>Bat paste: pasted at http://paste.ubuntu.comhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/openid/login?next=/
[20:18] <JontheEchidna> ;_;
[20:19] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: http://pastebin.com/f2c49375
[20:19] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Looking
[20:20] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Is that the full debian dir?
[20:20] <JontheEchidna> thinking about it a debdiff would have probably been better
[20:21] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: http://pastebin.com/f2ede7975
[20:22] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Why did you drop libx11-dev
[20:22]  * JontheEchidna looks
[20:22] <JontheEchidna> oh, Lex did that
[20:22] <Lex79> ScottK: it's a dependency of libqt4-dev now
[20:23] <Lex79> no need to keep
[20:23] <ScottK> Lex79: Not a reason to drop it.
[20:23] <ScottK> All the packages that configure looks for should be in build-dep
[20:23]  * ScottK will take that bit out
[20:25] <cragdor> Hi all, not sure if this is where to post this but can people with karmic, tell me if they have a file called Phonon-Xine.xine.conf? Apparently it holds the phonon config but i can't find it!
[20:25] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Why did kubuntu_12_arm_no_soprano.diff come back?
[20:25] <cragdor> Should exist in ~/.config/kde.org/Phonon-Xine.xine.conf
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: My mistake. I think that got deleted in bzr while I was working on things
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> but not from the debian dir I copied over to the source
[20:27] <ScottK> Also there's some sftp stuff in runtime-data
[20:28]  * ScottK removes that too
[20:30] <JontheEchidna> docs?
[20:30] <JontheEchidna> It actually does install the sftp docs without the build-dep
[20:31] <ScottK> Yes, it's docs.
[20:32] <ScottK> I already deleted it and I'm not going to worry about it for now since it's docs for something we aren't building.
[20:32] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Did you ever pester asac about libssh?
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> nope, will ping now
[20:33] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Uploaded.  Would you please update bzr to match the package once it comes back?
[20:33] <JontheEchidna> sure
[20:34] <ScottK> Thanks
[21:01]  * Quintasan goes to bed
[21:01] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: bzr's back up.  I went ahead and pushed the changes.
[21:01] <Quintasan> Night everyone
[21:01] <ScottK> Good night Quintasan
[22:25]  * nixternal kicks the snot out of LP and Bzr
[23:33] <Riddell> hmm, still no beta 2
[23:34] <dtchen> so, slightly-offtopic VCS question: is anyone seriously bothered by having to learn multiple VCSes?
[23:35] <maco> im not
[23:35] <maco> cvs, svn, bzr, git, hg....ive used those so far. for normal usage its all the same
[23:35] <maco> $VCS commit
[23:35] <maco> and if one of the latter 3: $VCS push
[23:35] <maco> woowee that's hard!
[23:36] <dtchen> right, for single tracking they're quite similar
[23:36] <JontheEchidna> I've used svn, bzr and git. I must say I'm not too fond of learning git
[23:36] <dtchen> KDE SC has moved to git, correct?
[23:36] <JontheEchidna> KDE is planning to move to git, but haven't as of yet
[23:37] <dtchen> it's still SVN currently?
[23:37] <JontheEchidna> haven't-> hasn't
[23:37] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[23:37] <dtchen> (ugh, git is a huge win over SVN in that respect)
[23:38] <dtchen> merging in git can be quite pain{less,ful}
[23:39] <Sput> well, amarok and konversation have moved to git already :)
[23:39] <Sput> and other subprojects are preparing the move
[23:40] <maco> right now im the most git-experienced person where i work. that's saying something (about them, not me)
[23:42]  * Sput loves git
[23:42] <Sput> working with svn now feels like using notepad to write a program :>


[15:44] <MGhz> hello, i use bépo as keyboard and i would like know if have a special shortcuting for this keyboard
[15:52] <MGhz> sorry no more time for waiting the awnser, bye
[23:35] <almir> i need help. have issues with sound
[23:37] <almir> anyone here that can help me with an issue i have with my sound?


[00:24] <lwizardl> hello
[00:51] <pmatulis> hello
[14:16] <jparkton> is raring Ubuntu 13? I thought 13 was oneiric
[14:20] <jparkton> I was wrong
[14:22] <ikonia> jparkton: 13.04/13.10 - both 13
[14:25] <jparkton> ikonia: I am just running into weird issues but I think it is a restriction on my vps not the repo :)
[15:31] <gdos> how can i change the default IP address of virbr0: from <IP_ADDRESS> to another one?
[15:56] <andol> gdos: virsh net-edit efault
[15:57] <andol> gdos: virsh net-edit default
[15:57] <gdos> thank you andol.
[15:58] <andol> ..unless you want to define a new/other routed network, or want to use bridged networking.
[15:58] <gdos> andol: how would i do that?
[15:58] <gdos> just for curious sake.
[16:01] <andol> gdos: Have mostly used bridged network myself, and that pretty much comes down to created a bridged network interaces, and then point to it when you create new virtual machines. Not much experiences in mucking around with other rourted libvirt networks.
[16:02] <andol> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/Networking#Creating_a_network_bridge_on_the_host
[16:02] <gdos> ok. will research that. thanks. i'm in the process of installing multiple BBS'es on my system and trying to figure out which is the best way to go.
[22:17] <joossee> hello. I have installed 12.04LTS 64 on a server. I had a problem with my screens so I set "quiet splash nomodeset" in grub. I can mount encrypted volumes and login fine, but I cannot get startx/GUI to run. I only have access to ubuntu install CD right now, no inet on server.
[22:18] <joossee> it gives me a very clean error saying to sudo apt-get ... but I dont have internet so it returns an error
[22:40] <bekks> joossee: As k1l already told you in #ubuntu, there is no startx. Install a desktop environment like ubuntu-desktop.
[22:42] <joossee> bekks; can i install it on a machine with no internet ?
[22:44] <bekks> joossee: When using an installation cd, sure.
[22:49] <joossee> bekks; ok letme try a different approach; i think the problem i am having is that my installer cant access the internet. can you recommend a usb wireless nic that works with the 12.04 installer?I have searched the HWCompatibility list, googled, and the forums but they all conflict with each other...\
[22:50] <joossee> im getting the impression my video card is too legacy for 12.04...
[22:55] <ersi> Have you actually tried with any wireless nic?
[22:57] <ersi> Otherwise, just use the installation DVD as a source.
[23:03] <joossee> ersi; how do i do that from command like?
[23:04] <joossee> line\
[23:10] <ersi> joossee: I searched for "add ubuntu install dvd as apt source".
[23:10] <ersi> Here's a fitting result: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/CommandLine
[23:11] <ersi> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptCdrom seems promising as well.
[23:11] <ersi> That seems to be for the Live Cd though.
[23:12] <ersi> And this result is basically exactly an answer (though combining both above links): http://askubuntu.com/questions/4694/how-to-use-a-iso-image-as-a-cd-rom-repository