[01:35] <matt_> ok i just installed ubuntu. everytime i boot up my computer it takes me to this purple screen with a few options to pick. i can either pick: boot linux 3.0.0-17 generic. boot linux 3.0.0-17 recovery. boot previouse versions or memory test. if i boot 3.0.0-17 generic it just goes black screen forever and i have to turn it off. i have to go to preiviouse versions where it says boot 3.0.0-12 generic. and then again it will take
[01:36] <JoseeAntonioR> matt_: Is it 11.10 or 12.04?
[01:36] <matt_> 11.10
[01:37] <JoseeAntonioR> Did you MD5 test the .iso you downloaded?
[01:37] <matt_> yea
[01:37] <JoseeAntonioR> I suppose hashs were the same, right?
[01:37] <matt_> yes
[01:38] <JoseeAntonioR> Have you installed via WUBI?
[01:39] <matt_> im pretty sure
[01:39] <matt_> actually maybe not because my frined did it while on his mac
[01:40] <JoseeAntonioR> Well, if you have installed it via WUBI, my recommendation would be to delete WUBI and reinstall via the LiveCD
[01:41] <matt_> well my friend burned me CD on his mac
[01:41] <JoseeAntonioR> WUBI is told to cause various problems to users.
[01:41] <JoseeAntonioR> Do you have a Windows partition?
[01:42] <matt_> no as of right now all i have is ubuntu on it. no windows at all
[01:43] <JoseeAntonioR> So, please tell me, is this happening since the first time you booted Ubuntu?
[01:44] <matt_> yes and i have tried reinstalling 3 times
[01:44] <bodhizazen> 'lo you all
[01:44] <JoseeAntonioR> Hello, bodhizazen :)
[01:44] <bodhizazen> saw you earlier matt_ , what you need help with again ?
[01:44] <JoseeAntonioR> bodhizazen: Problem explained in -team
[01:44] <bodhizazen> What video card ?
[01:45] <matt_> ok i just installed ubuntu. everytime i boot up my computer it takes me to this purple screen with a few options to pick. i can either pick: boot linux 3.0.0-17 generic. boot linux 3.0.0-17 recovery. boot previouse versions or memory test. if i boot 3.0.0-17 generic it just goes black screen forever and i have to turn it off. i have to go to preiviouse versions where it says boot 3.0.0-12 generic. and then again it will take
[01:45] <matt_> i dont rely know what video card
[01:45] <bodhizazen> boot any kernel or to recovery mode
[01:45] <JoseeAntonioR> And open a text prompt.
[01:46] <bodhizazen> If you boot to non-recovery mode, use Ctrl-alt-F2 to get to a console
[01:47] <matt_> ok
[01:47] <matt_> and after text prompt
[01:47] <bodhizazen> lspci | grep VGA
[01:47] <bodhizazen> lspci | grep VGA | pastebinit
[01:47] <bodhizazen> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Pastebinit
[01:48] <shawn186> is their a way to fix my boot screen for ubuntu 10.4? it was high res on my native resolution, but now after installing compiz fusion settings manager, its gone to a low resolution
[01:50] <bodhizazen> shawn186, boot screen has to do with your video driver, did you install the nvidia or ati drivers ?
[01:51] <shawn186> i installed the ati drivers
[01:51] <shawn186> proprietary i think
[01:53] <bodhizazen> remove proprietary or live with boot screen
[01:53] <bodhizazen> Besides 10.04 is sort of long in the tooth, 12.04 would be better
[01:53] <bodhizazen> especially on desktop
[01:55] <shawn186> umm
[01:55] <shawn186> i tried 12, and i did not like it at all
[01:55] <shawn186> its inflamated
[01:56] <bodhizazen> yea, yea, old news , move along
[01:56] <bodhizazen> 10.04 will be at EOL soon enought, then what ?
[01:57] <bodhizazen> this is a support channel, troll somewhere else ;)
[01:58] <shawn186> well 10.4 LTS is the last of something i like about ubuntu
[01:58] <shawn186> an important quality
[01:58] <bodhizazen> If you do not like unity, classic, gnome-shell, kde, xfce, lxde, *box, awwesomwm, gnome 2 is dead
[01:59] <shawn186> i tried classic in it, the top screen bar was crapped up, and the task bar was buggy
[01:59] <bodhizazen> g2 is dead, get over it
[02:00] <Unit193> Gave a longer list of other things to try, not just classic.
[02:01] <shawn186> gnome was the best
[02:01] <shawn186> overall
[02:02] <Unit193> Gnome2 is no longer in active dev.
[02:02] <shawn186> well, what is replacing it?
[02:03] <JoseeAntonioR> Gnome3
[02:04] <shawn186> does turboboost work in ubuntu?
[02:13] <shawn186> i run uname -r and it says unknown
[02:13] <shawn186> doesn't even know what processor
[02:13] <bob_> hi i recently downloaded ubuntu and when i went to playa  youtube video through my speakers no sound came out. any help
[02:13] <JoseeAntonioR> bob_: Ok. I think this is a common problem. Can you please try muting your PC when it has no headphones, and then connect the headphones please?
[02:14] <bob_> ok did that
[02:14] <JoseeAntonioR> bob_: Did sound work now?
[02:15] <bob_> nope
[02:16] <shawn186> err not -r, thats kernal type, i mean uname -p
[02:16] <bob_> any other options?
[02:17] <JoseeAntonioR> bob_: Yes. Please, open the sound configuration panel.
[02:18] <bob_> ok its open
[02:18] <JoseeAntonioR> Then, on the Output tab, tell me what does it say in Connector.
[02:18] <bob_> analog headphones
[02:18] <JoseeAntonioR> Please, change that to Analog Speakers.
[02:18] <JoseeAntonioR> bob_: Then, try playing sounds.
[02:19] <bob_> still nothing
[02:20] <JoseeAntonioR> Do sounds play from other programs?
[02:22] <bob_> not through headphones on anything but through the speakers its fine
[02:24] <bob_> anything else?
[02:24] <JoseeAntonioR> bob_: I don't know what else can you do, I had that problem and fixed it that way. Maybe another person in the team knows the solution for it
[02:25] <bob_> yea ill try and come back later
[02:25] <JoseeAntonioR> bob_: Wait a second, once you select Analog Speakers, you unmuted the sound?
[02:25] <JoseeAntonioR> Urgh.
[02:27] <bodhizazen> did matt__ ever come back ?
[02:29] <JoseeAntonioR> bodhizazen: Nope, he didn't
[02:33] <bodhizazen> shawn186, you mean uname -m ?
[02:34] <bodhizazen> uname will show you if you are running 32 bit or 64 bit
[02:34] <shawn186> that tells the architecture
[02:34] <shawn186> i know that as much
[02:34] <shawn186> i mean the processor
[02:34] <shawn186> -p
[02:34] <bodhizazen> if you are running 32 bit Ubuntu on a 64 bit processor, it shows 32 bit
[02:35] <shawn186> i am running x86_64
[02:35] <bodhizazen> lscpi
[02:35] <bodhizazen> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[02:36] <shawn186> well lspci filled quite a bit
[02:37] <shawn186> there we go
[02:37] <shawn186> cpuinfo helps
[02:38] <shawn186> why does cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep -i mhz return cpu MHz as :933.000?
[02:41] <bodhizazen> cat /proc/cpuinfo | pastebinit
[02:46] <shawn186> http://pastebin.com/LDkyzwhA
[02:46] <bodhizazen> thanks ..
[02:46]  * bodhizazen looks
[02:47] <bodhizazen> Your cpu is capable of 1.6 GHz and is idling at 933 Mhz
[02:47] <shawn186> no
[02:47] <shawn186> my processor is capable of 2.8 GHz
[02:47] <shawn186> idle at 1.6
[02:48] <shawn186> in windows
[02:48] <shawn186> is their a way to get that same performance out of ubuntu?
[02:52] <zeek> Hi everyone, need help installing java6 sdk in ubuntu 10.10; yes i've tried "sudo apt-get install sun-java6"
[02:53] <shawn186> so with the ATI Catalyst Control Center in linux, is their a way to restore my boot screen back to high res?
[02:53] <Unit193> Isn't 1010 EOL?
[02:54] <Unit193> zeek: sun-java isn't being kept up due to the license, and that's an outdated version as well.
[02:55] <bodhizazen> shawn186, no, you have to remove Catalyst
[02:57] <zeek> What would you recommend for java development using eclipse
[02:57] <shawn186> oh :(
[02:57] <JoseeAntonioR> zeek: Try with sudo apt-get install openjdk-6-jre
[02:57] <shawn186> bodhizazen,  what good will that do me?
[02:57] <bodhizazen> restore you boot screen =
[02:58] <shawn186> and for the graphics benifit?
[02:59] <bodhizazen> shawn186, have you filed a bug report with ati ?
[02:59] <bodhizazen> Ati made and maintains the catylist driver
[02:59] <shawn186> is the 4650 supported anymore?
[02:59] <zeek> JoseeAntoniR I udnerstand that version of java is not the complete version
[02:59] <bodhizazen> the catylist drive is incompatible with the boot screen
[03:00] <bodhizazen> as it is a closed source drive you are using, what do you want me to do about it ?
[03:00] <bodhizazen> file a bug report with ati
[03:00] <shawn186> forget it :(
[03:01] <bodhizazen> 4650 is supported http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Hardware
[03:02] <bodhizazen> the cpu frequency you are seeing is likely a bug
[03:02] <JoseeAntonioR> zeek: Well, as far as I know that's the only version available in the repos. You would have to search in the java webpage.
[03:02] <bodhizazen> what kernel is it ?
[03:02] <shawn186> 2.6.32-40-generic
[03:05] <shawn186> here we go http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n436/shawn146/Screenshot-1.png
[03:05] <shawn186> my cpu frequency
[03:05] <shawn186> wish i could get the 2.8 GHz out of it :(
[03:06] <bodhizazen> what happens with 12.04 beta ?
[03:06] <bodhizazen> 2.6.32 is sort of an old kernel
[03:06] <shawn186> its LTS
[03:06] <bodhizazen> to be honest, I think your best bet is 12.04, use kubuntu or if you like the feel of gnome 2, xubuntu
[03:07] <bodhizazen> 12.04 is LTS, yes
[03:07] <shawn186> i don't want any derivatives
[03:07] <bodhizazen> the file a bug report against the 12.04 beta 2
[03:07] <bodhizazen> You have relatively new hardware
[03:08] <shawn186> true
[03:08] <shawn186> 2010 hardware
[03:08] <bodhizazen> you are sort of building your own coffin
[03:08] <shawn186> what do you mean
[03:08] <bodhizazen> gnome 2 is dead
[03:08] <bodhizazen> and you refuse to move on
[03:09] <bodhizazen> take your pick - you have several optiosn
[03:09] <bodhizazen> or stay with an old kernel and take the performance hit
[03:09] <shawn186> well i talked to a couple friends, i will upgrade
[03:09] <bodhizazen> 12.04 has unity, classic, kde, xfce, lxde, fluxbox, openbox, list goes on an on
[03:10] <shawn186> as long as it looks like my top bar
[03:10] <shawn186> with Applications Places and System tabs
[03:10] <bodhizazen> If you have problems with 12.04, file a bug report
[03:11] <bodhizazen> Your complaint is sort of like complaining that you do not like Windows 7, you prefer windows 98
[03:11] <bodhizazen> Why will windows 98 not run my 64 bit software ?
[03:11] <bodhizazen> You are stuck in the past
[03:12] <shawn186> o.o
[03:12] <shawn186> your a bit over the edge there
[03:12] <bodhizazen> not really
[03:12] <shawn186> you are tooo dramatic
[03:12] <bodhizazen> you are being stubborn
[03:12] <shawn186> 10.4 was 2011
[03:12] <shawn186> why do you say taht
[03:12] <shawn186> *that
[03:12] <bodhizazen> I find it hard to believe 12.04 does not offer you an acceptable DE
[03:13] <bodhizazen> Linux develops is much more rapid then windows
[03:13] <shawn186> DE?
[03:13] <shawn186> bodhizazen,  i agree
[03:13] <shawn186> i am converting to linux
[03:13] <bodhizazen> Desktop Environment - KDE, gnome, xfce, ....
[03:13] <shawn186> ah
[03:13] <shawn186> i will learn
[03:14] <bodhizazen> If you like g2, xfce is your best bet
[03:14] <shawn186> but the gnome 2 look is classy and simple, not shiney or eye-candied up
[03:14] <bodhizazen> so go for fluxbox then
[03:14] <bodhizazen> or lxde
[03:15] <bodhizazen> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Xubuntu-12-04-Beta-2-Screenshot-Tour-261682.shtml
[03:15] <bodhizazen> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Lubuntu-12-04-Beta-2-Screenshot-Tour-261824.shtml
[03:16] <bodhizazen> The linux kernel is 3.x now, so if you are having a problem with your i7, you need to at least try a more modern kernel
[03:17] <shawn186> k
[03:18] <bodhizazen> at the minimum , boot 12.04 beta, try xfce, and cat/proc/cpuinfo
[03:19] <bodhizazen> you can boot a live Cd (flash drive) and test it b4 u install
[03:19] <shawn186> upon using compiz in ubuntu, why do i see cuts when moving the window?
[03:19] <shawn186> same way i installed 10.4 :)
[03:19] <bodhizazen> crappy closed source driver ?
[03:19] <shawn186> does ati have a good driver?
[03:20] <bodhizazen> One thing in the open source community, we can not do anything with closed source code
[03:20] <bodhizazen> you have to bring those complaints to ati
[03:20] <zeek> /irchelp/
[03:20] <shawn186> oh
[03:20] <bodhizazen> or nvidia or intel
[03:21] <bodhizazen> we can show you how to install the binary linux driver, but if ati does not open source the driver, what can we do to fix it ?
[03:22] <bodhizazen> kde is nice too - http://news.softpedia.com/news/Kubuntu-12-04-LTS-Alpha-2-Screenshot-Tour-250502.shtml
[03:22] <shawn186> was just askin..
[03:22] <shawn186> no need to rub it in..
[03:22] <bodhizazen> You will get much ruder responses then I have given you ;)
[03:23] <shawn186> why isn't there peace in an open community?
[03:23] <bodhizazen> Try filing a bug report on the ATI driver on Launchpad
[03:23]  * bodhizazen stands back to watch the flames
[03:23] <shawn186> o.o
[03:23] <bodhizazen> shawn186, what do you mean ?
[03:24] <shawn186> well i found the grub area
[03:24] <shawn186> #GRUB_GFXMODE=1600x900
[03:24] <shawn186> i changed it from 640x480
[03:25] <bodhizazen> did that fix you boot screen resolution ?
[03:25] <shawn186> i haven't rebooted it
[03:25] <bodhizazen> sudo update-grub
[03:25] <bodhizazen> reboot
[03:25] <shawn186> i always look for a positive outcome
[03:25] <shawn186> negative never helps
[03:26] <holstein> i tend to lean more towards realistic these days... but positive wont hurt anything
[03:27] <bodhizazen> well, you really can not apply that reasoning to an outcome when asking the open source community to support closed source drivers
[03:27] <bodhizazen> It is sort of like mixing water and oil
[03:27] <shawn186> i wasn't asking anyone to do anything
[03:28] <shawn186> i was asking if it existed yet
[03:28] <shawn186> ima noob
[03:28] <bodhizazen> file a support request on Microsoft asking them to support chain loading grub 2
[03:28] <bodhizazen> or LUKS
[03:28] <bodhizazen> or ask Microsoft when they are going to support brtfs
[03:29] <bodhizazen> oil and water don't mix
[03:29] <bodhizazen> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
[03:30] <bodhizazen> shawn186, you bought your computer with windows pre-installed ?
[03:30] <bodhizazen> Next time, buy an i7 with Linux pre-installed
[03:30] <bodhizazen> all your hardware will work out of the box, just like it does with windows 7
[03:30] <bodhizazen> Not try installing windows 7
[03:31] <bodhizazen> try finding all the windows drivers you need =)
[03:32] <bodhizazen> If you want "positive" outcomes, you need to do your homework when purchasing hardware
[03:32] <bodhizazen> you know this
[03:32] <bodhizazen> you do not run OSX on a windows box ?
[03:32] <bodhizazen> same with Linux or BSD
[03:33] <bodhizazen> you can not pound a square peg through a round hole =)
[03:33] <bodhizazen> Well, not easily
[03:36] <shawn186> bodhizazen, its a refurb my dad got me back in 2010 for 1200
[03:36] <shawn186> a slight splurge, not ever gonna happen again
[03:36] <bodhizazen> build one =)
[03:37] <shawn186> when i get a job
[03:40] <bodhizazen> Look at 12.04, see if your hardware is better supported, most likely it is
[03:40] <bodhizazen> and if so, decide if you are so stuck in gnome 2 you are willing to give it up
[03:40] <bodhizazen> or decide you are so stuck with your cpu frequency to learn to love unity or the DE of your choice
[03:41] <bodhizazen> you have options
[03:41] <holstein> XFCE is a nice gnome2 alternative
[03:42] <shawn186> bodhizazen, we just talked about that buddy
[03:42] <shawn186> i said i will definately upgrade
[03:42] <bodhizazen> come back to this channel running 12.04 live and we can take another look
[03:42] <bodhizazen> I would not upgrade without testing
[03:43] <Unit193> 12 is still in beta. :P
[03:44] <Unit193> But yeah, there have been some great impovments there.
[03:44] <Unit193> Some improvements as well.
[03:45] <bodhizazen> although there are no guarantees, there have been great efforts to keep 12.04 as stable as possible and I do not have any reservations advising it at this time
[03:45] <bodhizazen> It has been very stable
[03:45] <bodhizazen> as dev releases go
[03:46] <bodhizazen> Unit193, people still install the 12.04 alpha spin I made a while back, do a full upgrade, and are happy with the results
[03:47]  * bodhizazen looks at date
[03:48] <Unit193> Yep, was just making a friendly reminder.
[03:48] <bodhizazen> built my 12.04 alpha Dec 24, 20111
[03:48] <Unit193> ....That's in the future! 0_0
[03:49] <Unit193> ;)
[03:49] <bodhizazen> gah - back to the future
[05:26] <shawn186> anyone know about an IDT High-Definition Audio driver for linux?
[05:26] <shawn186> or ubuntu
[05:46] <ziek> installing sun java SDK ubuntu 10.10
[06:16] <shawn186> i'm not finding any audio drivers D:
[06:16] <shawn186> for my laptop
[06:29] <shawn186> is java still available for ubuntu 10.04?
[13:40] <matej_> hello
[13:52] <bioterror> matej_, hi
[13:57] <matej_> its this a international chanel
[13:57] <matej_> or only english
[13:57] <matej_> im new here
[13:58] <matej_> greatings from SLOWENIA
[14:00] <bioterror> mostly english yes
[14:00] <bioterror> !sv
[14:00] <ubot2> Svensk Ubuntu- och Kubuntustöd hittar du i #ubuntu-se resp. #kubuntu-se. Tack!
[14:00] <bioterror> oh not that
[14:00] <bioterror> !sl
[14:00] <ubot2> Factoid 'sl' not found
[14:00] <matej_> not sl  si
[14:01] <bioterror> !si
[14:01] <ubot2> Kanal za podporo slovenskim uporabnikom Ubuntuja je #ubuntu-si. Če potrebujete pomoč v Slovenskem jeziku, prosimo da se nam pridružite in probali vam bomo pomagati. Slovenian language support channel is #ubuntu-si
[14:01] <matej_> the chanel have not a members
[14:01] <bioterror> really?
[14:01] <matej_> yes
[14:01] <bioterror> your loco is not working well then
[14:01] <matej_> ok by
[14:01] <bioterror> but can we help you?
[14:01] <bioterror> oh yeah
[16:02] <Unguided> Hello All. I would like to run zentyal, mythtv, and freenas on one box. Any suggestions on how to do this. Thanks in advance
[16:09] <Ziek> anyone know the ubuntu ran on android work?
[21:23] <fosburg> can anyone suggest a chatroom for 'Ubuntu One'?
[21:23] <Unit193> #ubuntuone
[21:24] <fosburg> thank you
[22:43] <zach__> just wondering what people's opinions are on the best IDE for ubuntu?
[22:44] <geirha> None, use an editor and command line
[22:45] <zach__> I'm pretty new, I know the command line pretty well but what do you mean by an editor?
[22:48] <zach__> just like a text editor like gedit or kate?
[23:27] <fosburg> need some info on backing up 'thunderbird' email


[16:39] <AstroFreddy> heya folks. been a long time. I used to be in here as Admiral_Chicago.  (Freddy Martinez)


[04:34] <Kilos> morning superfly inetpro and others
[05:38] <thatgraemeguy> guten morgen miene liebe freunde
[05:40] <Symmetria> good morning to you as well :)
[06:16] <chesedo> morning all
[06:18] <chesedo> Kilos: have you found bell.ogg yet
[06:18] <Kilos> yes ty chesedo
[06:19] <Kilos> found on old pc with 12.04 still working
[06:20] <chesedo> wow... how are you enjoying quassel?
[06:22] <Kilos> quassel isnt bad but lappy got a prob with playing bell.ogg
[06:22] <Kilos> feeble little sound
[06:22] <Kilos> on desktop its a good sound one can hear
[06:23] <Kilos> maybe i must try pidgin sound files, they at least one can hear
[06:50] <Langjan> Hi there Kilos howzit?
[06:51] <Kilos> hi Langjan lewe nog dankie en daar
[06:51] <Kilos> reen net bitter min
[06:52] <Langjan> Goed dankie, hetgisteraand 9mm gehad, dankbaar
[06:52] <Langjan> Still on schedule?
[06:53] <Langjan> Nie 9mm parrabellum nie, 9mm reen
[06:53] <Kilos> lol
[06:54] <Langjan> Wanneer vlieg jy?
[06:54] <Kilos> hoping to hear from clearance peeps by tuesday next week hopefully
[06:54] <Langjan> Good. Excited?
[06:54] <Kilos> then they check it out and hand back to the visa peeps
[06:54] <Kilos> frustrated because its taking so long
[06:55] <Langjan> OK at least something is happening at last
[06:55] <Kilos> yes
[06:55] <Langjan> Horrible having to wait 3+ months and they "promise" 30 days...
[06:55] <Kilos> oh you can give this link to your daughter there
[06:56] <Langjan> OK send...
[06:56] <Kilos> http://kriceverta.wix.com/kaivertacommissions
[06:56] <Langjan> Thks
[06:56] <Kilos> she can see taras site
[06:58] <Langjan> Looks interesting, but the main illustration has a sad look in the eye...
[06:58] <Kilos> i think its quite professional looking
[06:58] <Kilos> haha thats the character she uses in some story book thing
[06:59] <Kilos> he is always in and out of love and fighting wars and stuff so no wonder
[07:01] <Langjan> OK but if you dont know the background, the first impression is overall impressive but with a negative impact due to the expression in the face
[07:01] <Kilos> ill tell her ty
[07:02] <Kilos> maybe she is looking for some sympathy
[07:02] <Kilos> hehe
[07:03] <Langjan> Sorry if I appear critical, but perhaps it helps a bit
[07:04] <Kilos> she is always grateful for feedback
[07:04] <Kilos> but more stuborn than me
[07:04] <Langjan> Good, the rest looks fine
[07:04] <Kilos> hows things by you?
[07:05] <Langjan> Fine thks Kilos keeping busy
[07:05] <Kilos> good
[07:05] <Kilos> busy helps pass the time
[07:05] <Langjan> Did I tell you I whacked my car at OR Tambo 27 Jan?
[07:06] <Kilos> but then you get old quicker
[07:06] <Kilos> oh my
[07:06] <Kilos> no you didnt
[07:06] <Kilos> is it bad
[07:06] <Kilos> you old peeps must drive carefully man
[07:07] <Langjan> Looking for parking in the fluorescent-lit garage, suddenly I'm in a dark corner and have to turn, did not see the concrete pillar in the corner, R32 000 to repair
[07:07] <Langjan> Fortunately good insursnce no excess
[07:08] <Langjan> sorry gotta go for breakfast
[07:10] <Kilos> eish
[07:10] <Kilos> the pillar just jumped in front of you
[07:10] <Kilos> ai!
[07:45] <Langjan> Ja, jumping pillars. Anyway, claim approved at last, car must go to panel beaters and hired wheels for week or two
[07:47] <dlPhreak> Mawnin
[07:50] <thatgraemeguy> R32k to fix a pillar oops? what do you drive? :-o
[07:57] <Kilos> sjoe
[08:02] <Langjan> Like as tree, a concrete pillar is pretty much immovable as far as cars go. All panels on the right-hand side damaged by impact at 5 km/h
[08:02] <thatgraemeguy> ah, so a scrape along the pillar then not just bump on one spot?
[08:04] <Kilos> ai!
[08:04] <Kilos> get new glasses as well oom
[08:06] <superfly> eish Kilos, 6:30 in the morning!
[08:06] <Kilos> dont you travel to work then superfly
[08:06] <Kilos> we used to train chat
[08:06] <superfly> Kilos: yes, actually, but I'm not awake enough yet ;-)
[08:06] <Kilos> lol
[08:07]  * superfly notices thatgraemeguy is practicing his German
[08:07] <thatgraemeguy> not so much practicing as that's the only german phrase i knwo
[08:08] <thatgraemeguy> well i know another one but it isn't really useable in a channel full of dudes :p
[08:08] <Kilos> lol
[08:39] <superfly> I just know general greetings
[09:47] <george> hello
[09:51] <george> idlers
[09:53] <dlPhreak> george hi
[10:32] <Kilos> oh my , where did georgl go
[11:07] <theblazehen> hi Kilos kmf
[11:10] <kmf> hi theblazehen
[11:13] <theblazehen> hi Cryterion_
[11:13] <Cryterion_> Hi
[11:26] <Kilos> hi Guest62953
[11:26] <Kilos> scorpion hid
[11:27] <Guest62953> Hi
[11:27] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[11:27] <Guest62953> Thanks
[11:28] <Kilos> hi theblazehen
[14:07] <Kilos> inetpro storm kom
[14:12] <Kilos> ai! i broke quassel
[14:24] <Kilos> ai
[15:06] <Kilos> hmm... looks like the storm blew past before making any noise even
[16:06] <inetpro> uh,... rain?
[16:06] <inetpro> no rain in sight here
[16:07] <Kilos> nope all blown away
[16:07] <Kilos> sigh
[16:11] <Kilos> oh inetpro i did sasl authentication. what is that
[16:11] <Kilos> Maaz define sasl
[16:11] <Maaz> Kilos: SASL Simple Authentication and Security Layer
[16:11] <Kilos> Maaz define ssl
[16:12] <Maaz> Kilos: SSL Secure Socket Layer (Netscape, RSA, WWW, cryptography)
[16:18] <Kilos> oh my inetpro topic not updated yet
[16:19] <Kilos> Maaz hi
[16:19] <Maaz> Hello Kilos
[16:20] <Kilos> whew thought i had broken konversation as well
[16:22] <inetpro> Kilos: why you breakin the conversation?
[16:23] <Kilos> first i lost quassel nick list
[16:23] <inetpro> ai!
[16:23] <Kilos> then konversation took so long to show hosts i thought that was broken too
[16:24] <Kilos> quassel lekker but very finnicky
[16:24] <inetpro> hmm...
[16:24] <Kilos> dont fix what isnt broken client
[16:54] <Kilos-> hmm...
[17:00] <Kilos-> supper time
[17:21] <skokkk> hey, does anyone have a GBIC lying around I can buy/have?
[17:22] <Kilos-> hi skokkk
[17:22] <skokkk> hey Kilos-
[17:38] <Kilos> ha kulelu88
[17:39] <Kilos> you need to add freenode passwords in your irc client otherwise being cloaked is useless
[17:44] <inetpro> skokkk: what happened?
[17:44] <inetpro> those things are expensive
[17:46] <skokkk> inetpro, not actually too expensive. would just like one for my old router
[17:48] <Kilos> what is a  GBIC
[17:48] <skokkk> gigabit interface controller. used on old routers and stuff
[17:49] <inetpro> Kilos: for fiber connections
[17:49] <Kilos> oh ty
[18:18] <kulelu88> hey mates
[18:18] <kulelu88> probably best to just buy a fibre modem/router and use the old router as a wifi bouncer
[18:24] <kulelu88> is superfly around?
[18:24] <superfly> hi
[18:29] <superfly> kulelu88: you called?
[18:41] <Kilos> ai!
[18:52] <Kilos> storm arrived inetpro
[18:52] <Kilos> kulelu88 ping fly waiting for you man
[19:07] <kulelu88> aah sorry about that
[19:07] <kulelu88> hey superfly . howzit?
[19:07] <superfly> kulelu88: I'm OK, just tired. how are you?
[19:08] <kulelu88> i'm good. have you ever used twisted before? superfly
[19:08] <superfly> kulelu88: a little. not much.
[19:11] <kulelu88> I'm trying to make HTTP requests to the github API. do you have any suggestions? superfly
[19:13] <superfly> kulelu88: requests
[19:13] <kulelu88> requests via twisted?
[19:13] <superfly> no, the requests library
[19:14] <superfly> http://docs.python-requests.org/en/master/
[19:15] <kulelu88> interesting. I will see how I can use that with twisteds reverse-proxy lib
[19:16] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:22] <superfly> Maaz: WAYTTD
[19:22] <Maaz> superfly: WAYTTD is What Are You Trying To Do?
[19:22] <superfly> kulelu88: ^^
[19:24] <kulelu88> I am trying to build a reverse proxy for APIs superfly . I found a good example here: https://twistedmatrix.com/documents/12.3.0/web/examples/reverse-proxy.py
[19:24] <kulelu88> I can definitely use that
[19:27] <superfly> why is that?
[19:28] <superfly> kulelu88: why do you want to build a reverse proxy? what's the goal in that?
[19:29] <kulelu88> it's a proof of concept open source project superfly
[19:31] <superfly> kulelu88: that twisted example looks pretty bullet-proof, why isn't it working for you?
[19:35] <kulelu88> I just found it now, going to test it out superfly
[19:35] <kulelu88> I'm also using LXC for my containers now. It is so much easier to use than docker
[19:35] <superfly> well, docker is just a frontend for Linux containers anyway
[19:36] <kulelu88> apparently they no longer use LXC as the backend
[19:43] <superfly> oh really? interesting
[19:43] <kulelu88> this reverse proxy example makes the code too easy though. There has to be more to it :D
[19:43] <tumbleweed> kulelu88: combining twisted with requests would be weird. Surely you'd use the twisted http client, in a twisted server?
[19:44] <kulelu88> that's the goal tumbleweed . btw, hi!
[19:44] <tumbleweed> kulelu88: hi :)
[19:44] <tumbleweed> reverse proxy that needs a github client? that sounds weird. Or or these different things?
[19:45] <kulelu88> tumbleweed: I am trying to map APIs internally. I don't even know if this project makes sense, but it sounds fun to build
[19:45] <tumbleweed> that's less of a reverse-proxy than just a web service that calls out to other things. Perfectly normal
[19:46] <kulelu88> I want to actually map ALL APIs into the proxy in a generic way. so for example, you want to use the github API, the twitter API and the facebook API, but would like a layer in between the requests, this is what the app will do
[19:50] <superfly> tumbleweed: I was pointing him on to requests before I realised he's trying to make a reverse proxy
[19:50] <tumbleweed> requests is perfectly fine for something like that, if it isn't inside twisted :)
[19:51] <tumbleweed> https://github.com/thomasw/djproxy is a django reverse proxy using requests, that we use a lot
[20:11] <superfly> tumbleweed: yeah, I meant a reverse proxy in Twisted
[21:39] <superfly> good night
[21:39] <melodie> superfly hello!


[01:12] <morph__> oro man i pm u
[01:32] <holstein> !pm
[02:24] <cubed_root> my trackpad is acting funny -- triggering the right-mouse-button menu randomly, right-clicking when i don't mean to, and not clicking when i want to. any suggestions on how to trouble-shoot?
[03:43] <tierpod> monkeynaut: i have same problem with whiskey menu icon
[04:08] <omgitsMATT> hello.
[04:10] <omgitsMATT> my vpn subscription expired, I need to buy a new one. anyone have any experience or reccomendations for something that works well with Xubuntu 14.04 and Android devices?
[04:11] <holstein> omgitsMATT: i would ask the provider for specific operating system support.. but any should work fine from xubuntu, and xubuntu wont do anything to prevent any of them from working well
[04:11] <omgitsMATT> i should head to google then and get looking. thanks holstein
[12:13] <cubed_root> how does one determine the name of an app that you can launch from the command line?
[12:13] <TheSheep> depends, what do you know about the app?
[12:13] <cfhowlett> cubed what is the app name?
[12:14] <cubed_root> well i want to replace the default screenshot tool with "screenshot" which i believe is a gimp tool
[12:14] <cubed_root> just dont know the name to put application shortcuts window
[12:15] <TheSheep> if you know what is the package name, you can list the files with dpkg -L
[12:15] <TheSheep> and the files on /usr/bin are the commanss
[12:15] <TheSheep> commands
[12:15] <cubed_root> hm.. thanks TheSheep
[12:22] <cubed_root> fortunately the help window of the app linked to the developer's site, i'm not used to that in windows (finding helpful info in the help options)
[12:23] <cubed_root> has anyone noticed some glitchiness in the touchpad in 14?
[12:23] <cubed_root> i'm not positive it's 14, but my touchpad lately either doesn't click when i want it to, or right-clicks when i dont want it to
[12:50] <xubuntu678> Good afternoon, i am working with xubuntu 14.04 on a Shuttle xs35v3l and I am having trouble with the setup of 2 monitors (VGA 22" Acer display & 23" samsung HDMI display). Xubuntu boots bij default on the HDMI (samsung) display and when i trie to configure/turn on the second VGA (acer) display it does see the display but it isn't sending any signals over the VGA output. and the display stays in idle.
[12:51] <xubuntu678> I would really apreciate it if someone could help me out with this and tell me what im doing wrong etc. (I am kind of a ubuntu/linux noob but i do know my way arround networks and computers)
[13:02] <xubuntu678> Hi there
[13:02] <TheSheep> xubuntu678: try to restart computer with all cablws unplugged
[13:02] <TheSheep> somwtimes bios disables the otherboutput at boot
[13:04] <xubuntu678> i already checked my bios, i have integrated Intel 3650 graphics, It is a really locked bios where i can't even get a complete list of "onboard" devices
[13:04] <xubuntu678> all unplugged cables (dispaly cables?)
[13:08] <TheSheep> yeah
[13:09] <xubuntu678> when i plug in the hdmi/vga cable after booting without any display cables, it doesn't turn on either of the displays
[13:09] <TheSheep> also, if you don't use it, xrandr is the best commandline tool for managing displays
[13:10] <TheSheep> that's strange
[13:10] <xubuntu678> yeah, i already thought that maybe the P&P is bugged or broken..
[13:11] <Poisoned_Dragon> is the bios current?
[13:12] <xubuntu678> what i have found on the distributers website is that this is the newest bios,
[13:13] <xubuntu678> if i install xrandr will it overrule the default display manager of xubuntu? (lightdm) if i am correct
[13:14] <Poisoned_Dragon> xrandr has nothing to do with DMs
[13:14] <Poisoned_Dragon> it helps with configuring displays
[13:14] <xubuntu678> ohh alright,
[13:14] <TheSheep> ans it's installed by sefault I think
[13:15] <TheSheep> xrandr --auto
[13:15] <TheSheep> usually fixes stuf
[13:15] <TheSheep> f
[13:15] <xubuntu678> xrandr: cannot find crtc for output VGA-0
[13:15] <Poisoned_Dragon> Yes it is. Has come in handy when needing display names for writing Xorg conf files
[13:16] <xubuntu678> Xorg conf files? that's above my linux/ubuntu knowledge
[13:16] <TheSheep> lpoks like bios issue
[13:17] <xubuntu678> is there a good program for xubuntu to chek the bios?
[13:17] <TheSheep> no
[13:17] <xubuntu678> Cs from the vendor they only give the "default"/first bios installed
[13:17] <TheSheep> bios is up to the vendor
[13:17] <TheSheep> try to contact them for support
[13:18] <TheSheep> just don't tell them you are using linux
[13:18] <xubuntu678> alrighty
[13:18] <xubuntu678> for my curiocity what does crtc stand for?
[13:19] <TheSheep> from what i remember, it's how the monitor tells its max resolution and other stuff to the computer
[13:20] <TheSheep> but check wikipedia
[13:20] <xubuntu678> alright thanx
[13:52] <xubuntu678> Good afternoon
[13:53] <xubuntu678>  i am trying to install the Chipset&VGA drivers on my shuttle xs35v3l running xubuntu 14.04. The requirements for the system to install are from windows 7 upto windows XP but it isn't able to install With wine
[13:53] <xubuntu678> Does anyone have any suggestions for another windows emulator or a diffrent way to install it?
[13:57] <TheSheep> you can't install windows drivers on linux
[13:58] <xubuntu678> Do you have a idea for a replacement for the driver or an alternative?
[13:59] <TheSheep> normally all the drivers are already included in linux, except for the proprietary ones
[13:59] <TheSheep> so you don't need to install anything
[14:00] <TheSheep> !drivers
[14:00] <TheSheep> !nvidia
[14:26] <xubuntu678> apologies for the late replys, but i am running a intel atom n2550 processor with a intergrated graphics 3650, and it just wont run
[14:42] <meek_geek> how r u
[14:42] <meek_geek> is there a free replacement for unrar ?
[15:18] <delt> meek_geek: unrar-free - Unarchiver for .rar files
[15:18] <delt> sudo apt-get install unrar-free
[15:19] <meek_geek> delt, I did already also vrms is reporting virtual as prop
[15:30] <xubuntu678> how can i update my software etc from command prompt? (all at once)
[15:31] <TheSheep> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[15:31] <slickymasterWork> xubuntu678 sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[15:31] <xubuntu678> thanx
[15:31] <vrkalak> try > sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:33] <xubuntu678> Cs when i try to search & install update through the update manager it says it fails, due to my internet connection while it stays active & stable
[15:54] <xubuntu678> hi there, when i try and update with sudo apt-get update it tries to connect to ppa.launchpad.net (<IP_ADDRESS>) and this fails.. does anyone know why?
[15:54] <xubuntu678> pinging to this ip goess fine
[15:55] <xubuntu678> pinging to the hostname (ppa.launchpad.net) works fine to so, it shoudn't be a dns problem
[15:57] <delt> 14.04 is supported until 2017 or 2019?
[15:57] <cfhowlett> delt 2019
[15:58] <cfhowlett> delt 2017 - sorry
[15:58] <delt> http://xubuntu.org/help/
[15:58] <delt> oh
[15:58] <delt> is that just xubuntu or other *buntu distros?
[15:58] <delt> cause iirc ubuntu is supported until 2019
[15:58] <cfhowlett> delt xubuntu is for 3 years
[15:59] <cfhowlett> delt IIRC due to XFCE support cycle
[16:04] <xubuntu678> does it make any difference for xubuntu if i turn max cpuid value limit ON ?
[16:24] <cubed_root> does xubuntu use the dolphin window file manager by default?
[16:25] <knome> no
[16:26] <cubed_root> what does it use?
[16:26] <slickymasterWork> cubed_root, it uses Thunar
[16:27] <cubed_root> thanks slickymasterWork
[16:27] <slickymasterWork> np
[18:02] <amigamagic> someone knows if I can add a link to folder in the whisker menu? I mean, something like a "Downloads" icon, so that when you click on it, it will open thunar in the Download folder
[18:03] <xangua> or you can add the places menu
[18:03] <xangua> applet
[18:05] <amigamagic> I know how to do it in the panel, but I would like to place the folder link in the whisker menu.
[18:07] <elfy> create a launcher - thunar /path/to/wherever
[18:10] <amigamagic> I'm trying, but I'm not able to make anything in the whisker menu...  I'm trying with menulibre, but nothing...
[18:11] <elfy> works for me amigamagic
[18:11] <amigamagic> I created the launcher and placed somewhere in there, but then menulibre goes in crash
[18:11] <amigamagic> when I save the menu...
[18:11] <elfy> oh
[18:13] <amigamagic> menulibre crashed with AttributeError in basename(): 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'rfind'
[18:13] <amigamagic> ^^this is what tells me the bug report
[18:14] <GridCube> amigamagic, thunar ´/path/to/directory´ ?
[18:14] <amigamagic> to start I tried just with "thunar"
[18:14] <amigamagic> in the command section
[18:17] <amigamagic> but, no matter what I change, whenever I try to save my modded menu, menulibre will crash and doesn't save anything
[18:20] <GridCube> amigamagic, thats bad... what if you try, exo-open /path/to/dir
[18:23] <amigamagic> GridCube, no matter what I do, it crash always whenever I change something (launchers, folders, anything) with menulibre
[18:24] <GridCube> how weird. amigamagic what if you log out and log in using the guest session? does menulibre fails then?
[18:25] <amigamagic> I'm trying to add/remove whisker menu from the panel
[18:25] <laldoballi> hi to everyone...this is my first time with xubuntu and it seems that xubuntu doesn't see my external hard disk.I tried with fdisk and lsusb but it doesn't recognize it
[18:25] <elfy> amigamagic: what version of it do you have
[18:26] <amigamagic> elfy, 1.3.2-1
[18:27] <elfy> there is a test version available with some bug fixes
[18:27] <elfy> amigamagic: of menulibre :)
[18:28] <amigamagic> there is a binary?
[18:29] <elfy> amigamagic: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-May/010187.html
[18:31] <amigamagic> thanks elfy, I want to try first to logout and login and check if this solves something, then I will apply the mods from your link
[18:33] <amigamagic> nothing... logout and login doesn't solve anything
[18:38] <amigamagic> ok the new menulibre doesn't go in crash
[18:39] <amigamagic> but I'm not able to add anything to it... I mean, I create the launcher but then I cannot see where it is in the whisker menu
[18:39] <elfy> look for it in All first - or even search for it
[18:40] <amigamagic> ah, you have to search it...
[18:40] <amigamagic> so I cannot add something in the right column?
[18:40] <elfy> once you've found it - right click add to favourites
[18:40] <elfy> probably
[18:40] <amigamagic> the right column is hard coded?
[18:41] <elfy> you'd have to add a new directory - then move the launcher into there - but it will be in the menu
[18:44] <amigamagic> mmmh... I can move a launcher in there, but then I should have to do 3 clicks to open the downloads folder (1 click to open whisker menu, 1 to open downloads dir and another one on the launcher)
[18:44] <elfy> then don't do it - you asked how to - I told you what you can do ;)
[18:46] <amigamagic> of course, I was only trying to create a link to a folder in the right column of the whisker menu, but I think this can't be done with current whisker menu implementation
[18:46] <amigamagic> at least, now I can mod the menu with menulibre without crash... Thanks for the bugfixes! :)
[18:48] <elfy> amigamagic: just looking at something
[18:49] <elfy> that's not going to help
[18:50] <elfy> amigamagic: why not put launcher on the panel?
[18:50] <amigamagic> there is an option to go inside the categories without click. It's useful! At least I can save a click! :)
[18:51] <elfy> oh yea - you can do that :p
[18:55] <elfy> amigamagic: not sure why you'd think you can do this anyway :)
[18:57] <amigamagic> elfy, I could put the launcher on the panel, it's true, but I was trying to place (and run) apps only from the whisker menu, so that I have more free space on the taskbar. I'm always looking for the (near)perfect UI for my needs and tastes. :)
[18:58] <elfy> put launcher on the desktop :p
[18:58] <elfy> though I'd shudder if I did that for myself ;)
[18:59] <amigamagic> And being that I'm used to windows 7 UI and start menu I always try unconsciously to recreate its interface.
[18:59] <amigamagic> (it has download folder in the start menu :p )
[18:59] <elfy> amigamagic: if I was going to want to do that I'd probably use a nested launcher and have all the 'places' I want to access in the same place
[19:00] <elfy> I *really* don't care what any windows OS has
[19:00] <elfy> at all
[19:01] <amigamagic> elfy, now I created a "home" folder inside the whisker menu (right column) and I'm creating all the launchers for the usual dir like documents, downloads, images, etc.
[19:01] <amigamagic> inside the "home" folder...
[19:01] <amigamagic> so that I can easily access to them with only one click (the click on the whisker menu icon)
[19:02] <amigamagic> (and of course I'm using the option to go inside a category without having to click with the mouse)
[19:02] <elfy> yep
[19:03] <elfy> frankly I'd use the places plugin on the panel - but there you go - you can choose here ;)
[19:05] <amigamagic> yes I could use that too, albeit it would take some space on the panel... Anyway, I like when you can customize the UI as you want. :)
[19:08] <amigamagic> elfy, maybe you are a little biased towards windows os?
[19:11] <elfy> amigamagic: that's not really a topic for here ;)
[19:12] <amigamagic> oh, that's true :P
[19:21] <EugeneBandit> Hello! I'm currently running the latest version of xubuntu on a laptop. Since the distribution upgrade, my system seems to have issues with the power manager. Since then, 2 battery state icons are displayed and the system hibernates (i guess?) when the lid is closed, which is different from the settings in xfce's setting manager. Any ideas ?
[19:30] <kupo_> herro folks
[20:11] <cubed_root> EugeneBandit: I had the same problem with duplicate battery state icons. you should be able to remove the second one new one as it appears as a separate widge
[20:11] <cubed_root> *widget
[20:12] <EugeneBandit> yeah, i just guess that was relevant to the hibernation/power manager issue
[20:12] <EugeneBandit> like there's two power managers running or something
[20:13] <cubed_root> i think it"s just that there are was an icon in the indicators section/panel and now there"s one that"s a separate power mgmt widget
[20:38] <delt> the laptop lid bug (shuts down screen) seems to be a bug in xfce and not xubuntu/ubuntustudio... it also happens in linux mint with xfce
[21:43] <meek_geek> hi
[21:43] <slickymaster> !hi | meek_geek
[21:56] <meek_geek> I want to know how to stop a daemon from auto-start on reboot
[23:03] <xubuntu717> hello
[23:04] <xubuntu717> I have a question, I hope someone can help me :(
[23:05] <xubuntu717> I can't install Xubuntu 14.04. I always get an unknown error.
[23:05] <xubuntu717> http://www.abload.de/img/dsc_0119fdjk6.jpg
[23:05] <xubuntu717> http://www.abload.de/img/dsc_01203sj77.jpg
[23:11] <Unit193> xubuntu717: Can't hit OK and next?
[23:12] <xubuntu717> No, then it returns to the menu where I can choose install beside of a other OS or stand alone, but this time it says there are more than one OS on the hdd
[23:13] <xubuntu717> because it created already the partitions
[23:13] <xubuntu717> I have 2 SSD in RAID0
[23:14] <xubuntu717> maybe thats the problem?
[23:17] <someone235> hi, when my layout is not English most of the hotkeys doesn't work (basic hotkeys such as ctrl + c, ctrl + v etc). Anyone knows how can I fix it?


[05:06] <test> test
[05:07] <Guest42205> what
[05:07] <Guest42205> ok 42205
[05:08] <Guest42205> good-bye
[05:20] <Guest42205> 日本語
[06:09] <test2> 絵が見づらいぞ。認証


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[11:18] <Laney> s390x is 🔥
[11:18] <Laney> we should spin s390x instances to run tests for other arches when the queue is empty
[11:24] <xnox> hahahhahhaa
[11:24] <xnox> if only it could emulate little-endian fast
[11:25] <xnox> plus i have slight suspicion that any network operations are faster on big-endian, because it is natively in network order.
[12:52] <vorlon> live server image builds in groovy unhappy due to casper?
[12:53] <vorlon> but casper hasn't changed
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[14:59] <acheronuk> when is focal going to be added to https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release ?
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[15:01] <Laney> Once the upgrade blocker bug is resolved https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chrony/+bug/1872902
[15:03] <RikMills> Laney: right. thanks. not sure why, but I thought that was sorted. good good :)
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[22:51] <Eickmeyer> Question: Ubuntu Studio's metas still won't build for riscv64. Is that going to be a proposed-migration blocker?
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[23:03] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: it's not meant to be, so if you find that it is, let us know so we can fix
[23:04] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: Ok. I'll keep an eye on update-excuses.
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[00:36] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg: So, what's the issue tilix has?  I just installed it and it appears to run/work...
[00:39] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg: Does that mean your rebuild worked fine, or is my system special? :P
[00:46] <jbicha> infinity: tilix works fine for me now too LP: #1721101
[00:49] <infinity> jbicha: And the offending symbol is definitely there in an objdump, so it's clearly being resolved correctly now.
[00:49] <infinity> jbicha: So, crisis averted?
[00:50] <jbicha> ok I closed the bug, thanks
[00:50] <infinity> May point to an entirely different bug about one of tilix's deps not properly tracking ABI.
[00:50] <infinity> Cause that sort of beakage should never happen when library/symbol deps are sane.
[00:52] <jbicha> it's that new D language stuff
[00:52] <infinity> "new"
[00:52] <infinity> Only 15 years old.
[00:52] <infinity> But everyone always (poorly) reinvents the same wheels over and over.
[00:53] <jbicha> well gtk-d is new, right?
[00:53] <infinity> Probably.
[00:53] <infinity> I've only recently seen people writing GUI stuff in D.
[00:53] <infinity> So, I guess it's the new hotness.
[00:53] <infinity> God help us.
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[06:12] <LocutusOfBorg> infinity, gtk-d not tracking correctly ABI is an already known issue
[06:12] <LocutusOfBorg> and from next upload will have ABI changes
[06:13] <LocutusOfBorg> see message 50 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=877168
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[07:14] <infinity> Laney: armhf autopkgtest hosts are consistently exploding with ENOSPC.  Not sure how to get a better view into them to see why.  Any ideas?
[07:17] <apw> gawd, those things are a pita atm
[07:20] <sil2100> uh, the gtk+3.0 upload still stuck in -proposed I see
[07:23] <sil2100> Laney: you're assigned to the bug for the software-properties ADT regression - you working on that? :)
[07:40] <infinity> Laney: Belay that.  armhf runners are happier now that they're not under load.  But we definitely have Serious Issues when they're under load.  If they don't ENOSPC, they hit an nr_files limit.  Neither is good.
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[08:05] <Laney> sil2100: I've been trying but I don't know how to fix it yet
[08:05] <Laney> infinity: ok, well I would have logged onto one of the machines that was having problems and seen what was going on
[08:08] <infinity> Laney: I guess I don't know enough about the setup to know why that would be happening in the first place.
[08:09] <infinity> Laney: nr_files limit being hit makes sense if the global kernel limit is being hit across several containers.
[08:09] <infinity> Laney: But ENOSPC under load makes less sense to me, unless all the containers share a scratch space or something?
[08:09] <infinity> In which case, it may well be that we've just parallelised a little too hard.
[08:10] <Laney> That hasn't been tweaked in ages, and we've had extremely large queues very many times
[08:11] <infinity> Laney: Andy and I were seeing this with the glibc flood, as well as other recent ones.
[08:12] <infinity> Laney: But before that, I admit I wasn't in a position to be paying attention.
[08:14] <apw> it cirtainly seems to be bad now, and i've not noticed this failure mode before
[08:15] <Laney> any pointers for being able to see some evidence?
[08:16] <apw> Laney, we had a recent failure on umbrello with this
[08:16] <apw> and on tracker-miners
[08:17] <Laney> 8 sh[31883]: 2017/10/13 18:32:10 socat[22766] E connect(5, AF=2 <IP_ADDRESS>:8443, 16): Connection refused
[08:18] <infinity> Laney: http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/b/blogilo/artful/armhf
[08:19] <infinity> Laney: Those three failures were all ENOSPC, and occurred when the armhf queue was going full tilt.  Retrying when it was quiet made them pass.
[08:20] <apw> Laney, i've pm'd you a couple of logs with one of each
[08:20] <infinity> jibel: LP: #1723404 confuses ,e.
[08:20] <infinity> jibel: Confuses me, too.
[08:20] <infinity> jibel: Steve marked it fix committed, you marked it fix released, I see zero evidence of that bug in the livecd-rootfs source.
[08:21] <jibel> infinity, I checked the locale this morning on the image and it was correct. Let me double check
[08:21] <infinity> jibel: It may well be that the bug was fixed somewhere.  It clearly wasn't in the package the bug is assigned to. :P
[08:22] <jibel> infinity, it is fixed in casper
[08:23] <jibel> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/artful-changes/2017-October/011801.html
[08:23] <infinity> jibel: Check, thanks.  Reassigning.
[08:23] <infinity> I'm confused enough these days without people helping. ;)
[08:24] <infinity> He fixed it oddly...
[08:24] <sil2100> ;)
[08:26] <sil2100> I don't remember seeing LP: #1723760 when testing the iso a week ago
[08:26]  * sil2100 tries to check
[08:27] <infinity> Man, I hope that typo is actually in the kernel, not the bug submitter's by-hand copying.
[08:28] <Laney> infinity: This is going to be much easier if we catch it in the act
[08:28] <infinity> sil2100: I suspect that bug is the "not showing 'remove media and press enter' message" bug that has plagued us ever since plymouth.
[08:28] <Laney> thanks for the report & sorry for the inconvenience
[08:28] <infinity> Laney: I'll be sure to upload glibc again tomorrow.
[08:28] <Laney> hopefully we can jettison this lxd stuff at some point
[08:29] <infinity> Laney: Did anyone have a frank "future arch support" discussion at the rally?
[08:29] <infinity> Laney: Cause I'd love to see armhf and i386 die.
[08:29] <jibel> sil2100, I cannot reproduce it in a VM.
[08:30] <jibel> sil2100, I get the 'remove media' prompt and the VM properly shutdowns
[08:30] <infinity> jibel: Yeah, he's probably not getting the prompt.  Which happens sometimes.
[08:31] <infinity> jibel: His hilarious "copy" and "paste" of kernel output is meaningless, that was from boot, not shutdown.
[08:31] <infinity> (I'm loving "cashing", though)
[08:31] <jibel> :)
[08:32] <infinity> Not getting the prompt looks a whole lot like hanging.  But it's also entirely safe to cut power there, so it's been a bit of "meh" every time we try to fix it and only slightly succeed.
[08:32] <infinity> The best answer is probably going to be to pivot to another root.
[08:32] <apw> i see it often enough that i am always pleasently supprised when i do see the promt
[08:33] <infinity> Or give up and change the shutdown message to "we're going to try to shut down now, count to 20 and then set your computer on fire".
[08:34] <infinity> I wish we could just have the confidence that Microsoft does that people only run one OS, and it's ours.
[08:34] <infinity> Cause that makes their method so much simpler.
[08:35] <infinity> When they boot to CD, if they find a bootable HDD, they turn around and chain to it (on a delay).
[08:35] <infinity> Thus they can just reboot willy-nilly in the installer without removing media.
[08:35] <infinity> Maybe we could try that anyway.  Worst case, people boot into their old default Fedora or Win10? :P
[08:38] <infinity> Oh, actually, better idea.  We have grub on our ISOs now.  We could legit poke gently for other grubs, and chain only to one we recognize.  Otherwise timeout and leave you at the boot menu.
[08:38] <apw> "Hit a key to boot this CD in the next 10s"
[08:38] <infinity> So, on reboot with an Ubuntu CD in, you'd get Ubuntu.
[08:39] <apw> now that i like
[08:39] <apw> horrible semantics if you have a broken grub on the HDD probabally, but hey
[08:39] <infinity> Well, it'd have an interruptable delay, as you say above.
[08:39] <infinity> But that would be the triggering condition for that.
[08:39] <infinity> Without finding an Ubuntu, we'd just unconditionally launch you into the CD boot menu.
[08:40] <apw> and it would let us have a recovery option for "grub is broke"
[08:40] <apw> because you went near win10
[08:40] <infinity> Cause I don't think "I have an Ubuntu CD in my drive, but I want you to boot through to windows" is a sane or reasonable flow.
[08:40] <infinity> But "I left it on on reboot, why am I in the installer again" is lame.
[08:43] <sil2100> infinity: the missing -az langpacks have been uploaded
[08:43] <sil2100> Unfortunately I have no idea why they failed getting created during the last time, will try figuring out that later today, but a re-run just did the trick
[08:44] <infinity> sil2100: Thanks.
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[09:27] <tseliot> infinity: hey, any chance nvidia can get in ^ ?
[09:28] <tseliot> infinity: never mind
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[10:29] <acheronuk> hi. are we likely to get any further iso respins in before the ubuntu-on-air community iso testing @ 15:00 UTC today?
[10:31] <infinity> acheronuk: I'm literally about to press the button.
[10:31] <infinity> acheronuk: So, they should be freshly done by then.
[10:32] <infinity> Might still be warm.
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[10:32] <acheronuk> infinity: excellent. thank you
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[11:01] <sil2100> Sweet
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[12:22] <LocutusOfBorg> any archive admin, please remove libmongodb-perl on i386
[12:22] <LocutusOfBorg> missing build on i386: libmongodb-perl (from 1.4.5-1ubuntu1)
[12:22] <LocutusOfBorg> not sure how you missed it, when you removed mongodb on i386
[12:23]  * LocutusOfBorg is probably missing something
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[12:58] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, perhaps it was removed from -release, and that is in -proposed
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[14:12] <smoser> join #ubuntu-devel
[14:14] <slashd> sil2100, would you have time to release to systemd into trusty-updates (LP: #1718966)
[14:14] <slashd> sil2100, there is a few regression but they are all documented in the bug ^
[14:18] <sil2100> slashd: sure, let me take a look since I have a quieter moment now
[14:19] <slashd> sil2100, thanks a lot
[14:19] <slashd> tinoco, ^
[14:31] <sil2100> slashd: ok, looks goodish, let me publish - but before that I'll add a hint for the network-manager failure maybe
[14:32] <slashd> sil2100, ok thanks
[14:32] <slashd> tinoco, ^
[14:32] <tinoco> slashd: sil2100: tku
[14:49] <rbasak> Can we ignore the dep8 test for mariadb-10.1 please so that it can migrate? It's not a regression, rather caused by a new test that never succeeded on s390x. See https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1723947 for details.
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[15:04] <LocutusOfBorg> apw, can you fix it then?
[15:04] <LocutusOfBorg> I don't really know/remember if you keep a public log for removals
[15:15] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, sorry got distracted
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[15:26] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, is there a removal bug ?
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[15:31] <LocutusOfBorg> ta!
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[15:40] <LocutusOfBorg> apw, none I'm aware of, this is why I was trying to search removals logs
[15:40] <apw> hrm
[15:40] <LocutusOfBorg> mongodb has been syncd by jbicha_ maybe he knows
[15:41] <cjwatson> removals are logged in the package's publication history in LP
[15:41] <LocutusOfBorg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mongodb/+bug/1679792
[15:41] <LocutusOfBorg> here we are
[15:42] <LocutusOfBorg> updated the bug
[15:42] <LocutusOfBorg> cjwatson, even binary removals?
[15:42] <LocutusOfBorg> we are talking about mongodb dropped on i386
[15:46] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg: yes
[15:46] <cjwatson> though they can be a little hard to find
[15:47] <cjwatson> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/artful/i386/mongodb just says "ANAIS" i.e. "architecture not included in source", which means that the package dropped i386 from its Architecture line
[15:52] <LocutusOfBorg> oh, I have to go to the single architecture page, I usually search "publishinghistory" from +source/foo
[15:53] <LocutusOfBorg> so, why the removal didn't propagate to i386 for its reverse-dependencies?
[15:53] <LocutusOfBorg> meh
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[16:47] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg: human error I assume
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[17:23] <LocutusOfBorg> ack thanks!
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[17:39] <slangasek> bdmurray: I see you accepted ppc64-diag into xenial-proposed for LP: #1708494, but rbasak rejected the same package for trusty-proposed due to lack of test case; do you want to un-reject the trusty one as well, now that upstream has provided a test case in the comments?
[17:40] <bdmurray> slangasek: I think I did but couldn't use sru-review because there were multiple versions in the rejected queue
[17:40] <slangasek> bdmurray: ahh ok
[17:40] <slangasek> bdmurray: then, thanks :)
[17:40] <bdmurray> I'll add a comment though.
[17:47] <LocutusOfBorg> I subscribed archive-admins to lp: #1679792
[17:47] <LocutusOfBorg> hopefully we will see autopkgtests starting soon
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[18:48] <rbasak> If not already considered, please could the security team consider wpa in artful unapproved? It seems likely a fairly important fix to me. Perhaps 0-day SRUable, but users installing with wifi available would still be affected (though maybe not catastrophically because apt will maintain integrity).
[18:55] <LocutusOfBorg> +1
[19:04] <rbasak> Uh, I meant the release team
[19:04] <rbasak> Also, I'd like the fix on my laptop pretty please :)
[19:05] <tsimonq2> +1 on wpa
[19:06] <tsimonq2> infinity: Might it be worth a respin or is that out of the question?
[19:07] <valorie> I don't see that it's accepted yet?
[19:07] <valorie> +1 for speedy release in whatever means necessary
[19:07] <tsimonq2> I can justify a respin for Lubuntu, and we may not be the only flavor to consider doing that if it's thrown in the right place.
[19:08] <valorie> I've not gotten an update yet at least in artful
[19:08] <nacc> rbasak did say "in artful unapproved"
[19:08] <tsimonq2> valorie: Yep, a member of the release team needs to accept it into Artful.
[19:08] <nacc> as the archive is frozen, the release team has to accept it still
[19:08] <tsimonq2> nacc: Right...
[19:09] <valorie> oops, sorry, right
[19:09] <valorie> see that now
[19:09] <nacc> feels like we're all in basic agreement :)
[19:10] <tsimonq2> I personally feel like it should be ushered through and a global respin should be done.
[19:10] <valorie> +1
[19:10] <tsimonq2> But that is not my decision to make. :)
[19:10] <valorie> although that means our tests have to be redone
[19:10] <valorie> but then that is expected
[19:11] <tsimonq2> While that is true, in my opinion the benefits outweigh the downsides.
[19:12]  * flocculant adds voice for Xubuntu on that
[19:16] <valorie> tsimonq2: amen to that
[19:17] <bdmurray> infinity, sil2100: cdimage still mentions using i386 images http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/daily-live/current/
[19:18] <tsimonq2> Speaking of cdimage, I think bashfulrobot was having some issues of some sort? Ping. ;)
[19:19] <rbasak> I'm not necessarily saying that the release team _should_ accept it. I just think they should consider it. I don't know the reasons why it might be a bad idea :)
[19:21] <tsimonq2> True. Of course, it's their final decision. But if Lubuntu has the option I'd like it in the 17.10 ISOs. (I'm not sure if a respin would pull it in if it was thrown into artful-updates)
[19:30] <GrindamN> Howdy everyone
[19:45] <sil2100> bdmurray: on the sprint we decided to still build i386 images but not publishing them for milestones
[19:46] <valorie> sil2100: how will testing be done then?
[19:46] <valorie> daily images only?
[19:56] <bdmurray> sil2100: The instructions say "use the i386 images instead. Choose this if you are at all unsure." I think the "use the i386 images" is hard enough that putting that there is not a great idea.  The second part should definitely be removed.
[19:58] <valorie> in Kubuntu we got rid of that wording quite awhile ago
[19:59] <valorie> most people who need i386 know to look for it, because they are using rather old machines
[19:59] <wxl> yeah and for many lubuntu users that wording is still relevant
[19:59] <valorie> yes
[20:00] <valorie> but our users in for instance Taiwan are largely i386 users
[20:02] <sil2100> valorie: there will be no testing of the i386 images as those are no longer 'supported'
[20:02] <sil2100> For Ubuntu
[20:03] <sil2100> Flavors can, of course, support it if they wish :)
[20:03] <sil2100> bdmurray: yeah, I guess we need to get that changed indeed
[20:05] <valorie> sil2100: thanks for clarifying
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[20:10] <wxl> waaaait a minute
[20:11] <wxl> will i386 images be provided at all?
[20:11] <sil2100> For main Ubuntu? No
[20:11] <chrisccoulson> hi, could somebody please approve those flash/partner uploads please? (and copy them from proposed to release once they're built)
[20:11] <wxl> let me rephrase :)
[20:12] <wxl> will the canonical machinery be building i386 images for the flavors that want them or are they left to their own devices to deal with this?
[20:12] <sil2100> Machinery will be building i386 images for flavors that want those images, so yes
[20:12] <sil2100> There is no change for flavors
[20:12] <valorie> good
[20:12] <wxl> ok, phew
[20:13] <sil2100> We only stopped building the i386 images for Ubuntu Desktop :)
[20:13] <valorie> that was my understanding; good to hear it confirmed
[20:13] <wxl> so theoretically we (flavors) could test the i386 images during the milestones
[20:13] <valorie> still available for server images, netboot etc.?
[20:13] <wxl> and theoretically the flavor milestones for i386 would still be published
[20:13] <wxl> ohhh good question re: netboot
[20:14] <valorie> because occasionally I have to direct someone to that route
[20:14] <wxl> ditto
[20:15] <sil2100> Server - yes, netboot - here I would guess yes as well, but I don't know much about those parts yet
[20:15] <valorie> cool
[20:15] <wxl> ubuntu desktop only does beta milestones right? or just the final one?
[20:16] <sil2100> wxl: final beta and the final release
[20:16] <wxl> and of course even during alpha milestones amd64 images will be floating about, but the process will be largely community supported as it has been, so we can just add our i386 images to that. so yeah, i don't think there will be much of a change
[20:17] <wxl> works for me thx :)
[20:17] <wxl> if you do find anything about netboot (i don't know who's in charge) in that they have no plans to support i386, i'm sure flavor teams would be willing to take that on together
[20:18]  * valorie nominates tsimonq2
[20:21] <sil2100> I mean, I didn't hear anything about anyone not wanting netboot i386 which is why I just assume we'll leave those as is
[20:21] <infinity> We build netboot for all arches we build binaries for.
[20:21] <infinity> For a variety of reasons.
[20:23] <jbicha> some of you flavors should consider dropping i386 support too :)
[20:23] <infinity> I don't disagree.
[20:23] <infinity> Dropping i386 images today is a nice way to signal a soft transition to a future where we stop building i386 debs.
[20:23] <wxl> i see that as reasonable, except for lubuntu. we'll be the last to go, when all support it completely dropped.
[20:24] <wxl> suffice it to say, it would probably be wise to start discussing it
[20:24] <flocculant> start?
[20:24] <infinity> Continue?
[20:24] <wxl> with the community
[20:24] <flocculant> I thought it was ongoing for cycles :)
[20:24] <wxl> the team has been discussing it for a while
[20:24] <flocculant> anyway - we're thinking about it - but likely post-18.04
[20:30] <valorie> possibly we'll have to do that as well for kubuntu
[20:31] <valorie> however I really would not like to lose some of our enterprise users such as Munich and Taiwan
[20:31] <infinity> valorie: You have "enterprise" users who use hardware more than 15 years old?
[20:32] <valorie> infinity: in Taiwan, lots of old computers even in government offices
[20:32] <infinity> That's.... Bizarre.
[20:32] <infinity> But also, anecdotes like that are why I'm now collecting hard data on the matter.
[20:32] <valorie> there has been a major push to get those users off xp and even older windows versions onto free software
[20:33] <valorie> the same might be true in India where we just picked up another -- also government offices
[20:33] <valorie> in Assam
[20:34] <valorie> each of them has a specialized respin with a smaller offering of applications
[20:34] <valorie> pretty much libreoffice plus a few others
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[20:35] <infinity> I mean, eventually, 32-bit builds will just become unmaintainable, because programmers are terrible, their software is even worse, and we can't afford to fix everything that everyone else breaks due to not having the hardware.
[20:35] <valorie> infinity: true
[20:35] <valorie> but poor people have few options
[20:35] <valorie> I assume as more new machines become available second-hand, that will slowly change
[20:36] <wxl> i think it should be less of an issue for kubuntu, since you're not necessarily designing for low spec machines. honestly, kubuntu is best experienced with all the bells and whistles cranked to 11 XD
[20:36] <valorie> it's amazing how people make do
[20:36] <wxl> yeah i mean jeez if you look at all the xp and older machines out there.. it's kind of frightening
[20:36] <wxl> makes KRACK look like no big deal XD
[20:36] <valorie> wxl: it's become lighter and more efficient over time
[20:36] <dax> kde scales down to crap hardware pretty well these days.
[20:37] <valorie> my travel laptop works pretty well
[20:37] <wxl> i wasn't trying to say it was heavy
[20:37] <dax> not least because "old computer" in 2017 is a lot faster than "old computer" a decade ago
[20:37] <valorie> even with touchscreen, etc.
[20:37] <wxl> just that it's not meant to be light
[20:37] <wxl> exclusively, i mean
[20:37] <valorie> right
[20:38] <wxl> i mean we run kubuntu on crap machines at work and they do wonderful, but at times i've been prone to turn off compositing, etc. for people
[20:38] <valorie> now that plasma will run on phones.... it's lost some fat
[20:38] <valorie> of course my phone is much more powerful than my first computer
[20:38] <wxl> :)
[20:38] <wxl> mine too
[20:39] <wxl> i had *128 kB* of RAM
[20:40]  * valorie had 80k baby
[20:41] <wxl> niiice
[20:41] <valorie> Coleco ADAM
[20:41] <wxl> mine was a C128
[20:41] <valorie> 300 baud and I was online
[20:41] <valorie> oops, we are off-topic
[20:41] <valorie> sorry
[20:41] <wxl>  /join #ubuntu-release-offtopic XD
[20:41] <wxl> (not really)
[20:41] <valorie> lol
[20:41] <nacc> heh
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[21:49] <tsimonq2> So I see src:wpa was approved.
[21:49] <tsimonq2> What's the plan of action?
[21:49] <nacc> tsimonq2: this might be worth an e-mail to ensure everyone sees it?
[21:52] <tsimonq2> nacc: Sure, I can send it in a bit.
[21:52] <infinity> nacc: The plan of action is to only let it migrate if we have a better reason for a re-spin, otherwise it'll be shunted to security/updates.
[21:52] <infinity> Err.
[21:52] <infinity> tsimonq2: ^
[21:52] <infinity> nacc: What's worth an email?
[21:53] <nacc> infinity: that discussion you just had :)
[21:53] <tsimonq2> infinity: I honestly think it's a good reason for a respin.
[21:53] <infinity> nacc: Yeah, I disagree. :)
[21:53] <nacc> infinity: fair enough :)
[21:53] <infinity> Not sending out emails for everything I accept.
[21:53] <infinity> tsimonq2: No it's not.
[21:53] <nacc> infinity: oh no, sorry, not for that
[21:53] <nacc> infinity: to discuss the respinn with the flavors
[21:53] <nacc> or something
[21:53] <nacc> since not all are online right now, i'd assume
[21:53] <infinity> tsimonq2: Installer images, by their very frozen-in-time nature, are full of security issues.
[21:53] <nacc> heh
[21:55] <infinity> (ie: I'm not going to panic to respin the last xenial point release for this either)
[21:55] <tsimonq2> infinity: How many people do you think might put Ubuntu something-or-other-maybe-flavor on a USB drive once it's released and expect to be able to connect to WiFi with secure HTTPS? :P
[21:55] <tsimonq2> I mean, just saying.
[21:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: lmbench (xenial-proposed/multiverse) [3.0-a9-1.1 => 3.0-a9-1.1ubuntu0.1] (no packageset)
[21:56] <infinity> https isn't broken by this.
[21:56] <tsimonq2> But as far as I can tell, https can be bypassed by this.
[21:56] <jbicha> infinity: hmm, is 16.04.4 happening soon?
[21:57] <infinity> jbicha: In 3 months.
[21:57] <jbicha> ok, I'll probably forget by then :)
[21:57] <infinity> tsimonq2: How?
[21:58] <tsimonq2> infinity: mdeslaur (or any other security team people) could probably answer that question better than I.
[21:58] <dax> it "breaks https" only insofar as you can MITM connections and sslstrip. which is a property of all hostile networks and not worth noting in 2017
[21:59] <infinity> tsimonq2: This is a protocol "wire" attack.    But that's a far cry (and more far-fetched) from "bypassing https".
[22:00] <infinity> Anyhow, we will probably find some other reason for a respin and render the point moot, but anyone who thinks "I burned an ISO from 2 months ago, and haven't done security updates, it must be perfectly secure" is just plain wrong, and I can't fix that with one last-minute update.
[22:01] <infinity> So, no, security updates are not a valid reason to trigger a respin.
[22:01] <infinity> Even when they have scary media-friendly names. :)
[22:01] <tsimonq2> infinity: But should people be able to expect that if they install it on release day that it should be secure?
[22:02] <infinity> Nope.
[22:02] <infinity> That's why we have 0-day updates.
[22:02] <infinity> People should expect that if they're up-to-date, we're done our best.
[22:02] <nacc> and why there are security updates in general it feels like
[22:02] <tsimonq2> Alright.
[22:02] <tsimonq2> infinity: Then I rest my case.
[22:03] <infinity> Don't fret, someone's bound to find a bunch of installer bugs (or maybe fix that nouveau/displayport thing in time) or some such.
[22:04] <infinity> But if not, it'll be sitting in -security, and either ticking the "download updates during install" box, or just updating post-reboot will be fine.
[22:04] <tsimonq2> (Watch this be the one (unfortuately rare) release that it doesn't happen. :P)
[22:04] <infinity> And people who install an OS on an untrusted network (and I'd consider any WiFi in sniffing range of your neighbours to count) probably get what they ask for.
[22:05] <jbicha> why does "download updates during install" only install security updates?
[22:05] <infinity> Was just telling sil2100 about my experience installing WinXP, connected to dial-up in Australia back in 2003.  Was compromised and rootkitted before I ever got a chance to run Windows Updates.
[22:05] <tsimonq2> Wow.
[22:06] <infinity> And never since have I installed an OS without a trusted network between me and the internet (ie: a wire and a firewall).
[22:06] <tsimonq2> jbicha: Does it?
[22:07]  * infinity -> breakfast.
[22:11] <rbasak> I don't trust my WPA wifi network.
[22:11] <rbasak> It has stuff like my TV on it.
[22:11] <rbasak> Which has never had a security update to my knowledge, so might as well be treated as owned by some malicious attacker somewhere.
[22:15] <Bashing-om> rbasak: " The following packages will be upgraded: dkms wpasupplicant . " :)
[22:46]  * sil2100 EOD
[22:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: flashplugin-nonfree (artful-proposed/multiverse) [<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1 => <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[22:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted flashplugin-nonfree [source] (artful-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1]
[23:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server Subiquity amd64 [Artful Final] (20171016) has been added
[23:34] <bashfulrobot> Hey infinity - I hear you are the one to talk to. looks like when pullign eth Ubuntu Budgie ISO via Rsync, all people are gettign an error.
[23:34] <bashfulrobot> Running : rsync -zhhP rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-budgie/daily-live/current/artful-desktop-amd64.iso
[23:34] <bashfulrobot> Now unless I fudged that command...
[23:35] <bashfulrobot> results in: @ERROR: Unknown module 'ubuntu-budgie'
[23:35] <bashfulrobot> rsync error: error starting client-server protocol (code 5) at main.c(1666) [Receiver=3.1.2]
[23:35] <bashfulrobot> I had a few people try this on different machines. Same issue
[23:37] <bashfulrobot> I'm just about to jump in my car - will check in once I get home.