[12:14] <herb> #v4l
[04:25] <zul> so we heard the heartbeat for the first time today
[04:27] <fabbione> zul: congratulation
[04:28] <zul> thanks it was pretty cool
[04:56] <BenC> yeah, the first ultrasound makes it seem more real that there's actually a baby in there :)
[04:56] <zul> actually it was just a regular appointment next ultrasound is on monday
[04:59] <BenC> will they actually be able to tell you the sex?
[04:59] <zul> thats what im hoping..
[04:59] <BenC> I forget how long into the pregnancy has to be before that
[04:59] <BenC> like 4 or 5 months or something
[04:59] <zul> but accordign to old wives tale its going to be a boy
[05:00] <BenC> is the baby carrying high? :)
[05:00] <zul> nah the heartbeat was like over 140
[05:00] <BenC> or are boys low
[05:00] <zul> heh i have no clue..:)
[05:00] <BenC> right, that one
[05:00] <BenC> I think boys carry low :)
[05:03] <zul> heh im hoping for a girl so i dont have to do boy scouts but either way im good
[05:04] <Keybuk> tfheen: ping
[05:04] <Keybuk> tfheen: ping
[05:04] <Keybuk> tfheen: ping
[05:04] <Keybuk> tfheen: ping
[05:04] <Keybuk> tfheen: ping
[05:04] <Keybuk> tfheen: ping
[05:04] <tfheen> Keybuk: You sent me a contentless ping.  This is a contentless pong.  Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I'll respond when I am around.
[05:04] <Keybuk> tfheen: ping
[05:04] <tfheen> Keybuk: You sent me a contentless ping.  This is a contentless pong.  Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I'll respond when I am around.
[05:04] <Keybuk> tfheen: ping
[05:04] <tfheen> Keybuk: You sent me a contentless ping.  This is a contentless pong.  Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I'll respond when I am around.
[05:04] <tfheen> Keybuk: You sent me a contentless ping.  This is a contentless pong.  Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I'll respond when I am around.
[05:04] <tfheen> Keybuk: You sent me a contentless ping.  This is a contentless pong.  Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I'll respond when I am around.
[05:04] <tfheen> Keybuk: You sent me a contentless ping.  This is a contentless pong.  Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I'll respond when I am around.
[05:04] <tfheen> Keybuk: You sent me a contentless ping.  This is a contentless pong.  Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I'll respond when I am around.
[05:04] <tfheen> Keybuk: You sent me a contentless ping.  This is a contentless pong.  Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I'll respond when I am around.
[05:04] <Keybuk> ...just wondered :p
[05:05] <tfheen> Keybuk: fyi, 17:04 Ignoring ALL from Keybuk
[05:10] <Keybuk> BenC: quick, upload a kernel
[05:10] <Keybuk> then I can go "tfheen: say no, or I'll approve BenC's upload" <g>
[05:11] <BenC> lol


[00:51] <keffie_jayx> hello all
[00:52] <keffie_jayx> I would like some help with adding a person to the access list of a channel
[00:52] <keffie_jayx> I haven't done that in a while
[00:53] <keffie_jayx> we just want level 10 access, simple channel admin
[01:02] <rww> keffie_jayx: try #freenode, they tend to be a little more active :)
[01:02] <keffie_jayx> rww: I got it thanks :)
[01:02] <keffie_jayx> for the record /msg chanserv help flags
[01:03] <keffie_jayx> thanks again m4v
[01:03] <m4v> np


 hello, does anyone else experience occasional lag with kubuntu 22.04?
 like the whole screen will freeze for couple of seconds and then work again, to me this started happening couple days ago and I still don't find any solution, if the lag happen when playing video, the sound will get laggy too, if the lag happens when typing, the button I press when it started lagging will ussually be inputted more than once (typing hello will produce hhhello for example)
[13:40] <BluesKaj> Hi all


[03:26] <_Marcus> Is it possible to change the tab length for leafpad?
[03:26] <_Marcus> I found the leafpadrc file and I can't read it very well. It's just numbers and letters to me
[04:23] <apm1> i still can't figure out how to disable switch to vblank in xubuntu on an intel GMA gpu ?
[04:24] <apm1> *sync to vblank
[08:12]  * apm1 is worried about his new thinkpad not being able to use it's GPU's full  potential :(
[08:14] <apm1> anyone here using a intel integrated GPU ?
[08:15] <Sysi> probably several people since they work best with linux
[08:16] <Sysi> there are best drivers for them, most easily available
[08:16] <apm1> but how do i turn off sync to vblank on my intel GMA ?
[08:17] <apm1> in xubuntu
[08:17] <Sysi> why'd you do that, it'll cause tearing if you have compositing enabled
[08:18] <apm1> but with vblank sync enabled i can't play games as the fps doesn't go over 60
[08:18] <Sysi> why would you need FPS over your monitor's refresh rate (or over 60)
[08:19] <apm1> games
[08:19] <Sysi> should I understand that as "because it's cool"
[08:19] <Sysi> the easiest way to disable it is probably some option in xorg.conf
[08:20] <apm1> nope because "assault cube " doesn't play well
[08:20] <apm1> where is xorg.conf in the file system ?
[08:46] <tzxn3> hi
[08:46] <tzxn3> what's the difference between the "desktop" and "alternate" versions?
[08:48] <tzxn3> oh
[08:48] <tzxn3> is "alternate" for headless servers or something?
[10:49] <nicekiwi> anyone around?
[10:49] <nicekiwi> having booting issues
[10:49] <torax> what kind of issues?
[10:50] <nicekiwi> torax, When the system boots, it just shows a blank screen. the blue lights on so it getting signal, but nothing comes up.
[10:51] <nicekiwi> torax, the only way I could install was to set the boot flag things to acpi off (i think)
[10:51] <nicekiwi> how can I interupt grub before it boots? The Grub menu does not come up
[10:54] <nicekiwi> maybe i should boot into live and have a look at the grub config..
[10:55] <torax> nicekiwi: hold shift when bootin
[10:55] <torax> http://askubuntu.com/questions/87409/i-cant-get-grub-menu-to-show-up-during-boot
[10:55] <torax> I hope this helps
[10:58] <nicekiwi> torax, k, will give em a go
[11:05] <nicekiwi> torax, ugh.. pressing shift gets me into the grub menu, but my keyboard and mouse do no work once there.. :(
[11:13] <nicekiwi> of course having USB keyboard support disabled might have something to do with it..
[11:23] <nicekiwi> http://www.centos.org/docs/5/html/5.1/Cluster_Administration/s2-apci-disable-boot-CA.html#ex-grub-apci-off-CA - Boom! :D
[11:45] <xubuntu521> is posible install xubuntu in p3 with 500mb RAM
[11:49] <xubuntu521> Please,anyone know if you can install xubuntu in PIII with 500mb RAM
[11:51] <Cuddy> hello everyone. i have a problem with booting up either a live or install for xubuntu... when i boot it it goes to a grey screen and everything seems to start being detected hardware wise and then nothing happens... you hear the sound turn on and the xbox controller light up and get detected and such. why the grey screen?
[12:03] <torax> Cuddy: what kind of hardware?
[12:11] <Cuddy> torax: i have a intel i5 a 560gtx ti geforce card and quite good enough stuff in there
[12:21] <Cuddy> ok. i manage to boot the live without silent running so i got the information as it booted, boom it goes crash on nouveau
[12:22] <Cuddy> anyone knows the command to force a standard vga without nouveau?
[12:22] <Cuddy> at boot that is
[12:36] <Cuddy> aha with "nomodeset" in the commandline to start the install i actually made it into the actually install
[12:38] <recon_lap> Cuddy: have you tried setting nomodeset ? http://askubuntu.com/questions/38780/how-to-set-nomodeset-for-installation
[12:39] <recon_lap> lol, need to get quicker with these answers :)
[12:39] <Cuddy> lol thanks :)
[12:40] <Cuddy> recon_lap: im just installing the system now. i hope i dont have issues with the boot afterwards :O
[12:43] <Character7> Stupid question, probably answered millenia ago, how do I disable keyring when not using system login password?
[12:44] <recon_lap> Cuddy: if you do you can just use the info in my link to fix the install
[12:45] <Cuddy> recon_lap: thanks! lol i was just reading it :)
[12:57] <xubuntu664> I'm trying to load xubuntu on my old PC 1MHz athlon processor, 1 GB Ram, 80GB HD. I get to select a language then the install. memory test disk check screen. When I click install the CD Drive acivates for a while the screen goes black and that's it!
[13:04] <xubuntu792> hi guys, just installed xubuntu from usb, but as soon as I boot from the hard drive I can't use the system because the screen resolution is wrong - any idea how can I fix this?
[13:06] <SkippersBoss> xubuntu792,   what is the out come of xrandr -q
[13:06] <xubuntu792> SkippersBoss: I can't get to a command line even
[13:08] <SkippersBoss> xubuntu792, Please define can't use.. What is it showing... Details... Note i m no expert just someone who has been using it for a while
[13:09] <SkippersBoss> Your screen isn't working at all ??
[13:09] <SkippersBoss> (no signal)
[13:09] <xubuntu792> SkippersBoss: the resolution is wrong, I get an image but can't see anything because the resolution is wrong
[13:10] <xubuntu792> do you know how can I get a command line, while booting?
[13:10] <xubuntu792> before X starts
[13:12] <SkippersBoss> xubuntu792, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1904347
[13:12] <recon_lap> xubuntu792:  give this a try http://askubuntu.com/questions/38780/how-to-set-nomodeset-for-installation
[13:13] <SkippersBoss> that was the one thx recon_lap
[13:14] <xubuntu792> SkippersBoss: thx, it worked - now I have a root prompt, but xrandr -q  just says it can't open display
[13:14] <xubuntu792> (maybe because X didn't start?)
[13:20] <xubuntu792> SkippersBoss: it's working :) after booting in recover mode and resuming the boot sequence everything is working now
[13:20] <xubuntu792> thanks :)
[13:21] <recon_lap> SkippersBoss: seems 90% of the issues are graphic card related and can be sidesteped by nomodeset
[13:42] <Guest38758> hola amigos
[14:13] <Zagi> noooo installation stuck at update-grup :D
[16:56] <xubuntu154> exit
[16:58] <apm1> how can i mount a cd image (.iso) on xubuntu that it acts as a real cd inserted in the drive , i need the cd to play a game on wine :)
[17:01] <bazhang> !iso > apm1
[17:02] <apm1> bazhang, what ?
[17:02] <apm1> look guys i just can't figure out what to choose as a mount point
[17:02] <bazhang> read the private message from the bot
[17:03] <apm1> i did
[17:04] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount
[17:04] <Sysi> mountpoint would be /home/$USER/image
[17:05] <apm1> Sysi, that's what i wanted , thanks :)
[17:05] <Sysi> then it will be mounted to "image" in your home folder
[17:06] <apm1> but will wine find it ?
[17:06] <Sysi> home folder should be Z:\ in wine IIRC
[17:08] <apm1> ok that shall work then like a real cd :)
[17:11] <apm1> Sysi, it didn't work :(
[17:15] <apm1> Sysi, the mount point you gave me should be ( /home/apm1/image) or (/home/apm1/name_of_the_iso) ?
[17:15] <Sysi> first one
[17:15] <Sysi> actually I'm not sure, never mounted .iso
[17:15] <apm1> still didn't mount shows error
[17:39] <Cal> hi! is there any easy way to automatically mount a partition at boot?
[17:41] <TheSheep> Cal: sure!
[17:41] <TheSheep> !fstab | Cal
[17:42] <Cal> okay
[17:42] <Cal> I'll take a look :)
[20:03] <ntfwc> hello
[20:04] <GridCube> !hi | ntfwc
[20:05] <ntfwc> I kind of stumbled upon a rather crippling bug relating to cursor themes, of all things.
[20:07] <GridCube> have you read the faq for 11.10 that talked about setting cursor themes?
[20:08] <ntfwc> Well, I was able to set it as the default x-cursor-theme. What was interesting is that it broke xfce4-terminal, gksu, and several other things.
[20:09] <GridCube> :/
[20:09] <GridCube> thats sound unrelated
[20:16] <ntfwc> Well. First I set this theme as the x-cursor-theme. For reasons I now understand, it fell back on a basic theme rather than the one I had set. So I decided to try adding a line "Inherits=" then the theme name to the index.theme file. That's when all the problems started. And as soon as I was able to remove this line, all was well again.
[20:17] <ntfwc> but if I hadn't had the theme within my home directory, I would have essentially bricked my system.
[20:20] <ntfwc> I was able to successfully repeat this in a VM as well.
[20:23] <inzane> hi
[20:23] <inzane> i'm having trouble installing xubuntu from usb
[20:24] <inzane> i just tried making the usb with unetbootin from crunchbang, and it had problems with squashfs
[20:24] <inzane> some help would be appreciated
[20:24] <ntfwc> make sure you check the md5 of what you downloaded.
[20:28] <inzane> i found the md5 for the file i have, but where is the md5 online to check it against?
[20:29] <inzane> i have xubuntu-12.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso
[20:30] <ntfwc> here: http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/CDs-Xubuntu/12.04/release/
[20:31] <inzane> ok the md5 checks out
[20:32] <inzane> anyone here?
[20:33] <ntfwc> so what exactly happens when you try to write to the usb?
[20:35] <inzane> well if i use unetbootin, it pauses when copying squashfs.. then when i boot off it, i see the options for installing xubuntu, etc, like i think i should, but when i select "install" it immediately gives me an error about squashfs
[20:37] <inzane> i've tried dd as well
[20:38] <ntfwc> This page seems to have some suggestions: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SquashfsErrors
[20:55] <ntfwc> well I'd like to file a bug for that cursor thing, but it seems I have to go through ubuntu-bug even though I don't know the package responsible.
[21:00] <ntfwc> Is there any way to submit a general bug report?
[21:00] <TheSheep> !bugs | ntfwc
[21:02] <ntfwc> ubuntu-bug won't let me even select "other-problem"
[21:21] <ntfwc> Ok, I was able to figure out how to submit it, all is well.
[22:26] <acmeinc1> does anyone know how to use 10.04 style transparency in terminal windows under 12.04?  on 10.04, *only* the background was used in transparecny, now in 12.04 any windows under the transparent terminal window show through
[22:30] <David-A> acmeinc1: the rxvt and urxvt terminals have the old fashioned "transparency" of copying the wallpaper.
[22:30] <acmeinc1> apparently the transparent background setting works on 10.04 w/o compositing on, however in 12.04 it will not work unless compositing is on, which I beleive is causing the other active windows to be shown in front of the desktop image.  anyone know how to allow for transparency w/o compositing?
[22:32] <TheSheep> acmeinc1: the transparency without compositing is fake -- it just displays the background image
[22:33] <TheSheep> acmeinc1: and it always was like that
[22:33] <TheSheep> acmeinc1: you need compositing for real transparency
[22:33] <TheSheep> acmeinc1: on 10.04 too
[22:35] <acmeinc1> but under 12.04 that "fake" transparency fails :/  it doesnt do anything
[22:36] <acmeinc1> the window stays black no matter how much i slide the background transparency bar, though in 10.04 it shows the "fake" transparency im used to
[22:36] <TheSheep> acmeinc1: then it's a bug, please report it
[22:36] <acmeinc1> though, i guess it could be due to the lightdm stuff...is the background in lightdm default to black?
[22:37] <TheSheep> acmeinc1: background is handled by xfdesktop
[22:38] <acmeinc1> sheep, what about the "bugs" in lightdm which take over parts of the desktop?
[22:40] <acmeinc1> ...i.e. the desktop is displayed in layers as a result of lightdm.  These are very apparent when installing xubuntu-desktop on top of a standard ubuntu install...the transparency defaults to the Ubuntu purplish-pink :/
[22:40] <TheSheep> acmeinc1: there are no "bugs", just bugs -- unless it's a configuration problem. It's still a bug if it's the default configuration, though.
[22:40] <acmeinc1> ...im wondering if maybe that is a possible issue with the fake transparency?
[22:41] <TheSheep> acmeinc1: make sure xfdesktop is running
[22:42] <TheSheep> acmeinc1: and that nautilus is not running
[22:44] <acmeinc1> sheep: then this still doesnt explain why the fake transparency setting in 12.04 is not displaying my blue background, and stays black no matter how tranparent the window should be getting
[22:50] <TheSheep> acmeinc1: can't help you there, report a bug
[23:46] <Krasus> hi all got a short quesion going to install xubuntu 12.04
[23:47] <Krasus> usualy i give / 40 gb but i googled a bit and it s saying that 20 gb is fine
[23:47] <Krasus> what s your opinion ?
[23:48] <knome> it's fine
[23:48] <knome> i've used 6.6GB of my /
[23:49] <SkippersBoss> hmm I seem to run out of space with 8. Opera start playing up then
[23:49] <knome> i think we both agree that 20GB is enough though
[23:50] <SkippersBoss> Krasus, i ve noticed that its best to put your /home/ on a different partition
[23:50] <SkippersBoss> saves a lot of hassle
[23:50] <Krasus> SkippersBoss, i always do that
[23:50] <Krasus> but now i was using win 7 for games and want to get back to dual boot
[23:50] <Krasus> so just thinking how to make partitions :)
[23:51] <Krasus> it s still that swap need to be 2 x ram ?
[23:51] <Krasus> i usually do not use hibernation so 1 gb will be fine right ?
[23:51] <Krasus> i have 4 gb of ram
[23:57] <torax> Krasus: Its not that relevant anymore, but depends alot what you are doing
[23:58] <Krasus> torax, thx
[23:58] <Krasus> and now when i m trying tu cut ntfs partition
[23:59] <torax> Krasus:  I use 4gb swap and I have 16gb ram
[23:59] <Krasus> clicking change will do new partition or change actual ntfs ?
[23:59] <Krasus> torax i use my laptop for videos music www and some games
[23:59] <Krasus> nothing to complicated


[08:22] <pleia2> anyone about to review a fridge post in 30 minutes or so?
[08:35] <pleia2> dpm: you about? :)
[08:35] <dpm> pleia2, I am, how can I help?
[08:36] <pleia2> dpm: just need another fridge editor to review before I publish: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/2033
[08:37] <dpm> pleia2, sure, let me have a look. What kind of review do you need? What should I look for?
[08:38] <pleia2> dpm: I am still a newish editor, so any glaring problems
[08:38] <pleia2> I think it's ok, just need another pair of eyes to be sure
[08:38]  * dpm reads the post
[08:43] <dpm> pleia2, looks great to me. Info is there, no glaring typos, no broken links. In the future you might want to use more HTML syntax (), to e.g. highlight things like the "Americas", "Asia/Oceania", etc. headers, but I know that this really is a pain without a WYSIWYG editor. You can also choose the PlaneUbuntu topic if you want this to go on the Planet as well as on the Fridge. All in all, looks great to me!
[08:43] <pleia2> yep, I will apply the planetubuntu topic once the forum post syncs
[08:43] <pleia2> thanks dpm :)
[08:44] <dpm> no worries :-)
[20:51] <akgraner> Reminder - Woo Hoo Ubuntu Weekly News team meeting today at 2300 UTC
[23:14] <akgraner> hi - one of you awesome Fridge editors review this submission for me please :-D and Thank you!  http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/2034
[23:14] <akgraner> Can one of you I meant to add
[23:18] <MTecknology> akgraner: A ?Terra A20 netbook with Ubuntu 10.04 LTS
[23:18] <MTecknology> akgraner: that ? is supposed to be there?
[23:18] <akgraner> nope sorry
[23:18] <akgraner> didn't catch that
[23:19] <MTecknology> akgraner: looks good
[23:19]  * akgraner goes to look at it again :-)
[23:32] <akgraner> MTecknology, quick question can I just tag it for the planet?  or do I need to let this one hit the Forums 1st
[23:33]  * akgraner can't remember does everything from the Fridge get discussed on Forums
[23:36] <MTecknology> akgraner: I think you can just tag it for planet. Don't take my word for official - but I don't see why it shouldn't aggregate there too.
[23:36] <akgraner> k thanks :-)
[23:49] <akgraner> News meeting in 10 Minutes :-)
[23:50] <johnc4510> kk
[23:50] <MTecknology> akgraner: I guess myrtlebeachbums heard you - and scott_ev
[23:50] <scott_ev> +1, yup
[23:51] <akgraner> sweet and mootbot-uk is here too
[23:51] <akgraner> awww
[23:51] <tyche> +1
[23:51]  * akgraner <3's Mootbot-UK :-)
[23:53] <johnc4510> myrtlebeachbums: hey dave
[23:54] <cjohnston> o/
[23:54] <myrtlebeachbums> Howdy
[23:54] <johnc4510> :)
[23:54] <myrtlebeachbums> On the phone here harassing a credit card company. ;)
[23:54] <johnc4510> LOL
[23:54] <johnc4510> give em some for me please
[23:54] <akgraner> hey - harass some for me too
[23:56] <scott_ev> johnc4510: you need one of these: http://tinyurl.com/29vcxyp
[23:56] <johnc4510> looking
[23:56] <tyche> Put "The Rite of Spring" on in the background, particularly the "Dance of the Sacrifice" (last movement).  That'll help get your rage up to cow them.
[23:56] <nhandler> Hello
[23:56] <johnc4510> hmmm
[23:57] <johnc4510> nhandler: hey bud
[23:57] <scott_ev> allo
[23:57] <nhandler> Hi johnc4510


[00:00] <ed3120> it says db has new schema than expected when i start the frontend
[00:00] <Alowishus> newer??
[00:00] <ed3120> i did an update at one point so i think my db backup was alpha 3
[00:00] <Alowishus> oh
[00:00] <Alowishus> umm not sure how to deal with that
[00:00] <Alowishus> can you just update to 0.21 now?
[00:01] <ed3120> i assume if i do an update now...i'll shoot straight from alpha 2 to alpha 4
[00:01] <rhpot1991> what version of the frontend are you running?
[00:01] <rhpot1991> ed3120: you are thinking of it the wrong way
[00:01] <rhpot1991> they contained trunk builds of 0.21
[00:01] <ed3120> the default in 8.04 alpha 2
[00:01] <rhpot1991> if you upgrade now, you get the final build of 0.21
[00:01] <rhpot1991> as far as mythtv goes
[00:01] <rhpot1991> no reason not to upgrade
[00:01] <ed3120> but will it be able to pull in the older db?
[00:02] <Alowishus> yes, db gets updated automatically
[00:02] <Alowishus> it's just going backward that's a problem :)
[00:02] <ed3120> ok, i'll go for it
[00:02] <ed3120> by the way ...you guys are great....i really appreciate it
[00:02] <rhpot1991> well make sure you make a backup first
[00:02] <rhpot1991> but ya, they should upgrade automagically
[00:03] <ed3120> my mythbuntu was running great...but there is a flaw in mcc that when you update your mythweb password, it blanks it out
[00:03] <ed3120> (yes, i filed a bug report)
[00:04] <rhpot1991> ed3120: well that version is old, unless you upgraded it via apt
[00:04] <ed3120> anyway, my mythweb was passwordless for a few days and someone on the internet found it and when into the config and destroyed my settings
[00:05] <ed3120> and deleted all my recordings
[00:05] <ed3120> luckily i have the backup db
[00:05] <a1fa> lol
[00:05] <a1fa> why did u open it to the net?
[00:06] <rhpot1991> whats the point of mythweb if not to open it up to the net?
[00:06] <ed3120> mythweb was open so i can schedule recordings - doesn't everyone use that?
[00:06] <a1fa> lol  vpn? ssh tunnel
[00:06] <a1fa> etc
[00:06] <rhpot1991> and to watch tv on your lunch break
[00:06] <a1fa> yeah
[00:06] <ed3120> its fine assuming you set a password....which i did, but MCC ate it for some reason
[00:06] <a1fa> but i got a vpn
[00:06] <a1fa> and ssh
[00:06] <a1fa> so i can tunnel port 80 to my server
[00:06] <a1fa> lol
[00:06] <a1fa> newb mistake
[00:07] <a1fa> you wont do it again
[00:07] <rhpot1991> ed3120: run http on a differnt port help
[00:07] <rhpot1991> I run mine open to the interweb, but not on 80
[00:08] <ed3120> i know, but the key here is that the password was erased automatically...i wouldn't call it my mistake...but it's alpha software so i can't complain :)
[00:18] <copyofjohan> I found another problem: didnt install mysql-server and mythtv-database. I thougt mythbuntu-desktop includes these. So now I installed everything and configuerd it. looks quiet well. Now when I want to start mythtv I get this error:"TV Error: Failed to get recording show list" whats my problem?
[00:25] <mkargar> hello
[00:26] <mkargar> what in path of recording video in mythtv?
[00:26] <tgm4883_laptop> huh?
[00:27] <tgm4883_laptop> /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/
[00:28] <rhpot1991> thats the default, you can set it to anywhere you want in the setup menu
[00:28] <mkargar> very very thanks my friend!
[00:28] <mkargar> in setup menu?
[00:29] <tgm4883_laptop> in mythtv-setup
[00:29] <mkargar> please guide me?(i'm newbie in mythtv!)
[00:33] <mkargar> how to changing path of record in mythtv-setup?which section?
[00:33] <rhpot1991> mkargar: I think its under general
[00:33] <rhpot1991> can't check cause my backend is recording
[00:35] <tgm4883_laptop> it's under storage groups in .21 isn't it
[00:37] <rhpot1991> you'd know that better than I would, I haven't used them yet
[00:42] <mkargar> i checking general section and storage group!all path was wrong!
[00:46] <mkargar> anybody here?
[02:31] <hitme666> any1 ever used a jetway MiniQ Twin + his Remote with ubuntu / linux ?
[07:17] <camelreef> good morning from Scotland
[07:18] <camelreef> superm1, ?
[07:21] <superm1> hey camelreef a little late.  i'm headed to bed :)
[07:21] <camelreef> ah
[07:21] <camelreef> just a quicky
[07:22] <superm1> sure
[07:22] <camelreef> you take care of the ipod-convenience
[07:22] <camelreef> do you own an iPod Touch ?
[07:22] <superm1> yup
[07:23] <camelreef> I'm looking for one good experience with Linux to find an excuse to buy one
[07:23] <superm1> well once it's jailbroken it's great
[07:23] <superm1> i'd never buy one and keep factory firmware
[07:23] <camelreef> including videos ?
[07:23] <superm1> yeah i had videos working
[07:23] <superm1> with gtkpod-aac
[07:23] <camelreef> jailbreak is a given
[07:23] <camelreef> oko, enough for me
[07:23] <superm1> you just need to transcode to the proper format
[07:23] <camelreef> thanks
[07:23] <camelreef> and good night
[07:23] <superm1> well one sec
[07:23] <camelreef> ok
[07:23] <superm1> minor warning, that transcoding can be finicky
[07:24] <camelreef> I've read that
[07:24] <superm1> so you need to use atomicparsley
[07:24] <camelreef> ok
[07:24] <superm1> and mythexport
[07:24] <superm1> to do myth transcodes
[07:24] <superm1> you can use handbrake for general stuff
[07:24] <superm1> i used handbrake with mine
[07:24] <superm1> for transcoding a dvd
[07:24] <camelreef> ok
[07:24] <superm1> rhpot wrote the stuff for mythexport though
[07:24] <camelreef> thanks
[07:25] <superm1> so if you've got trouble, both of us are here :)
[07:25] <camelreef> excellent, 32 GB, here I come
[07:25] <superm1> hehe
[07:25] <camelreef> (plus I have a $100 gift card)
[07:25] <superm1> have fun with it
[07:25] <superm1> i notice i barely use mine for "music and video"
[07:25] <superm1> i installed last.fm on it
[07:25] <superm1> and use it when walking the dog close enough to the appt and web browsing
[07:26] <camelreef> I have normal IPods (nanos), the ability to extend and wi-fi are tempting
[07:26] <superm1> my friends tell me i'm the most connected person they know
[07:26] <superm1> and this is part of it
[07:26] <camelreef> no surprise
[07:26] <camelreef> I tend to be the same
[07:27] <superm1> when i took a cruise for a week, it was honestly really hard to not be able to check mail inbetween waiting for food
[07:27] <superm1> or similar
[07:27] <superm1> :)
[07:30] <camelreef> yup
[07:30] <camelreef> I'm always lugging the big laptop
[07:30] <camelreef> even on vacation, to my wife's horror
[07:32] <camelreef> I have my own hosted mail server so I can have mail freedom and universal access
[07:32] <superm1> ah both a blessing and a curse then
[07:33] <camelreef> a bit, yeah
[07:33] <camelreef> Touch does IMAP/SSL, huh ?
[07:33] <camelreef> and SMTP/TLS ?
[07:34] <superm1> never really looked much into it.  it does my gmail w/ imap
[07:35] <superm1> so that makes me happy nough
[07:35] <camelreef> I have about 16 cores and 25 GB of RAM spread over the house, and a few TB computing-wise
[07:35] <camelreef> strangely enough, I want to keep my cell phone simple
[07:35] <camelreef> I don;t want a PDA/phone
[07:36] <camelreef> I don;t like to use phones too much either
[07:36] <superm1> ah well then you're not as connected as me then
[07:36] <superm1> i'll probably end up with a crackberry later this year when my phone contract with this current phone is up
[07:36] <camelreef> I like to keep a minimal space of disconnection
[07:37] <camelreef> that's one thing you will never see me with, a crackberry
[07:37] <superm1> i've resisted it too, but only to have an internet plan on my crappy phone
[07:37] <superm1> that is really slow
[07:37] <superm1> and painful to use
[07:37] <hitme666> any1 know the Jetway MiniQ Twin Barebone system, espectly the IR Device ...
[07:37] <camelreef> the "sent using my blackberry" in the sig is usually a sign that the message will be rubbish, probably written fromthe toilet in a hurry
[07:38] <superm1> well in any which case though, i'm gonna hit the sack
[07:38] <superm1> night camelreef
[07:38] <superm1> sorry hitme666 not familiar
[07:38] <camelreef> I have internet on my phone, Opera installed on it, rarely use it
[07:39] <camelreef> sometimes for Google maps, or with the latop using bluetooth in a bind
[07:39] <camelreef> night Mario
[07:39] <camelreef> hitme666, nope, nt familiar
[07:44] <hitme666> any1 know the Jetway MiniQ Twin Barebone system, espectly the IR Device ...seems the ir device there is "special" :( .. 10 pins from ir controler to the MB ... the only events i can catsh are event1 (for media buttons) witch is same to keyboard and mouse 2 (for trackball) with is same as normal mouse :(
[07:44] <hitme666> sorry for the repeat at start :/
[11:48] <sonium> how do I setup the channels? e.g. entering the channel name and so on?
[11:48] <sonium> I don't find it in the install guide
[11:50] <directhex|work> run mythtv-setup. run all five steps IN ORDER. the channel editor is one of the steps
[11:51] <sonium> Is there an option to preview the channel so I can have a look at the channel logo?
[11:51] <directhex|work> from mythtv-setup? no
[11:51] <directhex|work> sorry
[11:52] <sonium> and how am I supposed to find out?
[11:53] <sonium> hrm...
[11:53] <directhex|work> mythweb allows for some editing of channel data, you could run the frontend and have mythweb's channel editor open on another machine
[12:27] <[_Snarf_]> Alright, I'm having some trouble setting up transcoding.. I just installed 7.10 and upgraded to .21... where do I go to configure transcoding at?
[14:16] <iulius> I'm patching the lirc source as described in http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATI_Remote_Wonder_Plus but I have several lirc packages install (using mythbuntu). Do I need to remove all of them before I make install?
[14:17] <iulius> Seems like there are a few dependencies I would lose as well if I erased the lirc package
[14:19] <directhex|work> did you try it as-is?
[14:19] <iulius> Not yet
[14:19] <iulius> Wanted to be cautious before I borked my install
[14:23] <directhex|work> generally, avoid make install. if you want to replace packages, modify the packages
[14:23] <directhex|work> apt-get build-dep lirc && apt-get source lirc  && cd lirc* && patch -p0 < /path/to/patch.diff && dpkg-build-package -us -uc -rfakeroot
[14:24] <directhex|work> you really should edit debian/changelog and bump the version number too
[14:28] <iulius> Thanks - I'll give that a try
[14:29] <superm1> iulius, are you on hardy or gutsy?
[14:29] <iulius> Gutsy
[14:29] <superm1> there is another method available now that is even easier than that...
[14:29] <superm1> okay
[14:29] <superm1> it's worth a shot at least :)
[14:30] <superm1> grab lirc-modules-source from hardy
[14:30] <[_Snarf_]> Where do I go to set up transcoding? For some reason, if I attempt to transcode a video I've recorded via the mythweb, it comes back with "Autodetect (exit status 255, job status was "Errored")"
[14:31] <superm1> and patch /usr/src/lirc-VER
[14:31] <superm1> in that folder
[14:33] <directhex|work> superm1, looks like a crap patch to me - think it'll break regular remote wonder support :/
[14:33] <superm1> directhex|work, well this is a local patch :)
[14:34] <directhex|work> for local people!
[16:14] <Koffa> whoa
[16:14] <Koffa> 0.21 had some performance tweaks too?
[16:15] <Koffa> one channel fullscreen, one PIP and one watched live via another computer -- the load is insignificant... 0.20 only supported one channel at a time and caused bigger load
[16:20] <frank_> Koffa: nice. I know that frontend can use much less memory depending on theme and resolution
[16:21] <Koffa> I like the UI-changes too (mostly... didn't like the new default(?) '6 round images' navigation though)
[16:21] <Koffa> but eg. mythweb seems better
[16:22] <Koffa> how can I force scan = progressive for good for all channels?
[16:22] <Koffa> all other video scans flicker a lot
[16:57] <Koffa> is the PIP-size configurable?
[16:57] <Koffa> didn't find it
[17:11] <pdragon> is anyone else getting slow script errors in firefox with the new mythweb?
[17:12] <pdragon> or, not errors. just the popup box asking if you want them to continue
[17:13] <rhpot1991> pdragon: I do sometimes
[17:14] <rhpot1991> I think normally when I have a lot of tabs opened
[17:16] <Koffa> them?
[17:16] <Koffa> javascript?
[17:17] <rhpot1991> ya
[17:17] <rhpot1991> it asks you if you want to stop the script
[17:17] <rhpot1991> pdragon: I have noticed if I tell it to stop the script it seems to finish whatever it was supposed to be doing
[17:18] <Koffa> it still works with lynx, right?-)
[17:18] <Koffa> scheduling etc
[17:19] <rhpot1991> not sure
[17:35] <Koffa> the killer-app for htpc was remote usability
[17:37] <Koffa> seems to work with Links...
[17:37] <Koffa> <3
[17:47] <Koffa> 2008-03-14 19:46:38.078 Received a remote 'Clear Cache' request
[17:47] <Koffa> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[18:07] <pdragon> sorry, had to step ot
[18:07] <pdragon> out
[18:07] <pdragon> yeah, if i tell it to continue it works fine.
[18:08] <pdragon> just wondering what might be causing it. looked up some stuff about it and they said it's something in firefox that tries to stop scripts stuck in a loop
[18:11] <alanbshepard70> I just downloaded the mythbuntu 7.10 release and when I boot it up I get a command prompt beginning with (intitramfs). Is this normal? How do I install it?
[18:21] <TehSnarf> Where can I find some settings for decent transcoding profiles?
[18:27] <alanbshepard70> Ok since I couldn't get mythbuntu to boot I checked md5 and the hashes are different because of that I was going to try the torrent download instead of a direct download but the torrent link says torrent not found. Any have some suggestions?
[18:36] <Koffa> how long should it take to fill the program guide?
[18:37] <Koffa> upgrade nuked it and now I'm missing even some data not more than 20 minutes from now
[18:38] <camelreef> good evening from scotland
[18:39] <camelreef> is there someone atm with xmltv knowledge?
[18:39] <camelreef> evening tgm4883
[18:39] <tgm4883_laptop_> hi
[18:40] <tgm4883_laptop_> morning
[18:41] <camelreef> I must be an idiot, as I have trouble wrapping my mind around XMLTV and MythTV when thousands are doing it
[18:42]  * tgm4883_laptop_ doesn't use xmltv
[18:42] <tgm4883_laptop_> bah
[18:42] <camelreef> I have my dvb-s card created
[18:43] <camelreef> I created a new video source and set the channels I am receiving
[18:43] <camelreef> I have attached the video source to the capture device
[18:43] <camelreef> and now I fail to understand mythfilldatabase --manual
[18:44] <camelreef> how do I match my tuned channels to the XMLTV channels?
[18:53] <Koffa> hmm.. my transcoding started working on upgrade :D
[18:53] <Koffa> that's nice... I was running out of space already :}
[19:04] <pdragon> oh nice. finally reading through all .21 options. that option to turn off livetv recording after a set idle time will be nice o.o
[19:04] <pdragon> accidentally left that running a few times and filled the drive
[19:10] <TehSnarf> Anyone have any suggestions as to some transcoding settings? for like, high/medium/low? Right now they're all set to the same thing and I've no idea where to even begin adjusting the levels to
[19:10] <pdragon> not myself. don't do much transcoding
[19:10] <TehSnarf> pits
[19:17] <Koffa> uuh... that flash-player should be nice -- with N800 :}
[19:18] <Koffa> anyone tried livetv on some sort of ramdisk?
[19:18] <Nikas> so.. i have this problem. i mount some stuff from my server with nfs. With every boot of both my frontends i get "Waiting for /var/lib/mythtv/recordings" for like one minute and then "Failed". The stuff mounts as it should. Why
[19:18] <Nikas> that wait time..
[19:18] <Koffa> ddr2 seems to be free nowadays, some 3G ramdisk should be nice...
[19:18] <Nikas> mount -a = instant.. no wait
[19:29] <Koffa> hmm.. 4GB movie is now 5.5GB and 83% done
[19:30] <Nikas> Can i delete "OLDHOSTNAME" in the settings-table?
[19:30] <Koffa> so I'll take back my 'it works' :)
[19:44] <alexvd_> koffa: u still around
[19:44] <Koffa> yeah
[19:45] <alexvd_> so
[19:45] <alexvd_> I am trying to setup a video share properly. I have a masterbackend and slavefrontend
[19:46] <alexvd_> I have all videos on a hardisk and that mounts to the var lib mythtv videos directory on the backend.
[19:46] <alexvd_> i can see the videos on the backend in that folder.
[19:46] <alexvd_> I exported videos directory on the backend
[19:46] <alexvd_> and setup the hosts file for slavefrontend
[19:47] <alexvd_> I then setup a mount point on the slavefrontend to pull over nfs the videos into /var/lib/mythtv/videos on the slave
[19:47] <alexvd_> i cant see the videos on the slave in videomanager
[19:47] <camelreef> guys, my tv_grab_fr does not automatically match channel ids, I have to do a mythfilldatabase --manual - I am a bit stumped there...
[19:48] <Koffa> sorry but I have a combined front/back, nuttin fancy :)
[19:48] <alexvd_> oh ok
[19:48] <Koffa> just wondering if I could use my N800 as a telly :)
[19:48] <alexvd_> you can
[19:48] <alexvd_> google it
[19:49] <Koffa> without transcoding everything... more on-the-fly
[19:49] <alexvd_> oh i dont know about that
[19:51] <Koffa> well, first semi-successful transcode -- 3.8G -> 6.3G
[19:51] <Koffa> needs some tweaking :)
[19:57] <Koffa> it's not lacking much...
[19:57] <Koffa> sound is fine, image smth like 5fps :)
[19:57] <Koffa> n800...
[19:59] <camelreef> good evening directhex
[19:59] <directhex> helo
[19:59] <camelreef> I'm looking for xmltv knowledge, do you have any?
[19:59] <directhex> not really. i use eit
[20:00] <camelreef> I use it too on DVB-T, but its sub-par on dvb-S
[20:24] <Dorward> I've just done a apt-get dist-upgrade and the backend is throwing the following when it starts: Duplicate column name 'oldrecduplicate'
[20:24] <Dorward> Is this is known problem? I can't find a reference on the site.
[20:34] <wilberfan> my system is hanging at every shutdown or reboot:  "Running local boot scripts"...
[20:34] <wilberfan> It's happened before with previous installs...   is there a fix??
[20:39] <wilberfan> I can 'RSEIUB' out of it--but what a huge PIA!
[20:48] <wilberfan> Sometimes the screen goes to black with just a horizontal cursor blinking in the extreme upper-left corner of the screen... (it's doing that now..)
[20:51] <directhex> do you have any CIFS filesystems mounted?
[21:52] <wilberfan> I'm back...
[21:52] <surlyjake> sup
[21:52] <wilberfan> Hey, dude....
[21:52] <wilberfan> I'm having a shutdown/restart problemo....
[21:53] <wilberfan> It locks up!
[21:53] <wilberfan> Any way to fix that...?
[21:53] <surlyjake> how are you shutting down?
[21:53] <wilberfan> I have to RSEIUB out of it...every time.  Pain-in-the-azz
[21:54] <wilberfan> The usual way??  Exit out of front end...  either click on the exit icon and select 'restart' or shutdown...  sometimes open a command-line...   What's the RIGHT way??
[21:54] <wilberfan> 'sudo shutdown -r now' if I'm using the command line...
[21:55] <surlyjake> ok. have you tried halt?
[21:55] <wilberfan> 'halt'?
[21:55] <wilberfan> you mean 'sudo shutdown -h now'??
[21:57] <wilberfan> i guess i'm not sure what you mean by 'halt'....
[22:01] <wilberfan_> ok...this is me on the myth box...
[22:03] <wilberfan> surlyjake: where'd ya go, bud...?
[22:06] <surlyjake> here for 5 more minutes
[22:06] <surlyjake> halt is a meaner way to shut the machine down
[22:06] <surlyjake> try it
[22:07] <wilberfan_> just type 'halt' into a command line...?
[22:07] <surlyjake> sudo halt -r
[22:08] <wilberfan_> ideally, i'd like to 'fix' whatever the problem is...   What could be happening to make it freeze like that?  (It's done it on previous myth installs, too...)
[22:08] <wilberfan_> let me try that now....
[22:09] <wilberfan> Nope.  freezes at the same place....
[22:10] <wilberfan> "Running local boot scripts (/etc/rc.local)
[22:11] <surlyjake> have you taken a look at whats in there?
[22:12] <wilberfan> no...(not sure i'd know what to make of it anyway!)
[22:12] <wilberfan> but i'll look (rebooting now..)
[22:13] <surlyjake> lol. you might want to post those to the pastebin and have someone take a peek at them.
[22:13] <surlyjake> i GTG. sry peace
[22:16] <wilberfan_> ok, THIS seems rather mysterious:  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5702/
[22:17] <wilberfan_> wtf?
[22:20] <wilberfan> anyone else at home...?
[22:28] <tgm4883_laptop_> wilberfan, looks fine to me
[22:29] <wilberfan> what could be causing my freeze-up?
[22:29] <tgm4883_laptop_> lots of things
[22:29] <wilberfan> It's just started doing it in the last day or so...   (rats)
[22:30] <tgm4883_laptop_> what happens if you just log out?
[22:30] <tgm4883_laptop_> does that work ok?
[22:30] <wilberfan> let me go check (it's hung again...)
[22:31] <wilberfan> [whistles the 'rebooting' tune...]
[22:32] <wilberfan> it seems to be doing everything else ok:  boots fine, records fine, plays back fine...
[22:33] <wilberfan> although there's another problem that started about the same time:  any icons that would ordinarily be displayed in the system tray--are now showing up in little tiny separate windows at the upper left corner of the screen...!
[22:33] <wilberfan> (don't know if that's related or not....)
[22:33] <tgm4883_laptop_> 7.10 or 8.04?
[22:34] <wilberfan> gutsy (7.10)
[22:34] <wilberfan> OK...logout seems to work OK....
[22:34] <tgm4883_laptop_> try to shutdown from there
[22:34] <wilberfan> from the logout screen, you mean...?
[22:35] <tgm4883_laptop_> no, i assume thats been locking up
[22:35] <tgm4883_laptop_> try to shutdown from the log in screen
[22:37] <wilberfan> sorry...that's what i meant... the LOGIN screen....  I tried both 'restart' and 'shutdown' from the login screen....and I just ended up back at the login screen...
[22:37] <tgm4883_laptop_> strange
[22:37] <wilberfan> the screen flashes...i get an NVIDIA logo..then the login screen shows up...
[22:38] <tgm4883_laptop_> try this
[22:38] <tgm4883_laptop_> ctrl-alt-f1
[22:38] <tgm4883_laptop_> log in at the command line
[22:38] <tgm4883_laptop_> try shuting down from there
[22:38] <tgm4883_laptop_> just sudo shutdown -h now
[22:39] <tgm4883_laptop_> back in a little bit, have to do some paid work
[22:41] <wilberfan> it's not recognizing any keyboard strokes!!
[22:42] <wilberfan> (although it DID recognize my REISUB...)
[22:44] <wilberfan> but i couldn't enter any characters at the login:  prompt!
[22:46] <ahave> hello room.
[22:46] <ahave> if i am picking out hardware.. should i avoid onboard video?
[22:47] <ahave> ie, nvida 7 onboard
[22:49] <wilberfan> it's a little quiet in here...but stick around...someone will show up eventually!
[22:53] <ahave> ok :)
[23:14] <wilberfan> tgm4883_laptop_: Dude.  I fingered-out what the problem was...!  (with my freeze-on-shutdown situation)
[23:15] <wilberfan> tgm4883_laptop_: (you'll never guess in a bazillion years...)
[23:15] <atariman> hi. can anyone help me with Nvidia Geforce2 MX 400 and tv-out on mythbuntu?
[23:23] <tgm4883_laptop_> way to go and wait a whole 4 minutes atariman
[23:23] <tgm4883_laptop_> wilberfan, bugs in the power supply?
[23:23] <tgm4883_laptop_> voodoo?
[23:23] <tgm4883_laptop_> ahave, i used a nvidia 6 series onboard for a long time with my HD
[23:23] <tgm4883_laptop_> it worked great
[23:24] <tgm4883_laptop_> only reason i switched is because I have to use a dvi-hdmi adapter now
[23:24] <wilberfan> tgm4883_laptop_: No, the problem was:
[23:24] <tgm4883_laptop_> and a vga-dvi-dvi-hdmi wasn't working
[23:24] <wilberfan> [drumroll"
[23:24] <wilberfan> ONE EXTRA QUOTE-SYMBOL IN MY MOBLOCK.CONF FILE!!
[23:24] <tgm4883_laptop_> wow
[23:24] <tgm4883_laptop_> how did that get in there?
[23:25] <tgm4883_laptop_> that will now be my first diagnostic question
[23:25] <tgm4883_laptop_> always
[23:25] <wilberfan> tgm4883_laptop_: oh, that was ME that did that!   MY question is--how could ONE character in ONE .conf file mess things up so bad like that!!
[23:25] <wilberfan> yikers....!
[23:25] <tgm4883_laptop_> you would be amazed what one extra character can do
[23:26] <wilberfan> somehow i thought *nix was "smarter" than that....
[23:26] <tgm4883_laptop_> well it is, but you have to remember that all computer are dumb
[23:26] <tgm4883_laptop_> they are just really really really fast
[23:26] <wilberfan> what about my OTHER problemo:   All my systray icons showing up as SEPARATE windows in the upper-left corner of my screen??
[23:27] <tgm4883_laptop_> thats very strange
[23:27] <wilberfan> Like the network thingie...and my mobloquer...and even UPDATES....
[23:27] <tgm4883_laptop_> not really sure why they show up in different windows
[23:27] <tgm4883_laptop_> can we get a screenshot?
[23:27] <wilberfan> as a matter of fact....!
[23:27] <wilberfan> (let me find it...)
[23:29] <tgm4883_laptop_> me too
[23:29] <wilberfan> http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa82/wilberfan/systray_prob.png
[23:29] <ahave> tgm4883_laptop_, what do you think about this hardware setup? https://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wishlist/PublicWishDetail.asp?WishListNumber=8417086&WishListTitle=IBM%2DMediaPc
[23:30] <wilberfan> the mobloquer icon is the weirdest by far:  it sits right on TOP of the little Ubuntu icon (at the extreme left of the panel) and makes it transparent!
[23:30] <wilberfan> (you can see the wallpaper 'underneath'...)
[23:30] <wilberfan> And if you start up the myth frontend...there's a little square that appears in that same position while you're watching your recording or video...
[23:32] <tgm4883_laptop_> strange
[23:32] <tgm4883_laptop_> is this xfce?
[23:32] <tgm4883_laptop_> ahave, what do you plan to do with it?
[23:32] <wilberfan> tgm4883_laptop_: no...gnome....
[23:32] <ahave> HD mediapc box
[23:32] <ahave> hope to run mythtv on it
[23:32] <tgm4883_laptop_> HD?
[23:33] <ahave> outputing to a 46" HDTV
[23:33] <tgm4883_laptop_> wilberfan, very odd.  Have you asked over in #ubuntu
[23:33] <wilberfan> not yet; i did post something in the forum last night...
[23:34] <tgm4883_laptop_> k
[23:34] <tgm4883_laptop_> i've never seen that before
[23:34] <tgm4883_laptop_> ahave, hi def?
[23:34] <ahave> tgm4883_laptop_yes. sorry, hi def
[23:34] <tgm4883_laptop_> looks alright
[23:35] <tgm4883_laptop_> although if building a machine today, i might go amd
[23:35] <tgm4883_laptop_> just cause of the price difference
[23:35] <ahave> tgm4883_laptop_ It will need to be able to decode bluray/HD content from dvd or harddrive
[23:35] <tgm4883_laptop_> wilberfan, is that a dell ubuntu machine?
[23:35] <tgm4883_laptop_> or just the background
[23:35] <ahave> is it overkill for my needs?
[23:36] <wilberfan> tgm4883_laptop_:  gotcha!   no...it's just wallpaper I made to help me remember which of my two boxes I'm lookin' at!  :)
[23:36] <tgm4883_laptop_> ahave, no, although if you do plan on decoding bluray, you will moost likely need a better video card
[23:36] <ahave> like how high?
[23:37] <tgm4883_laptop_> i really don't know as I have never done it myself
[23:37] <tgm4883_laptop_> directhex|bsp, directhex|work ping
[23:43] <pat__> is there anyone know in mythvideo, how to stretch the folder.jpg to fill up the yellow folder
[23:56] <wilberfan> tgm4883_laptop_: thanks for your help earlier, dude...
[23:56] <wilberfan> even though i kinda fingered it out on my own... (but i think you nudged me in the right direction...)


[00:23] <Tiibiidii> i have some questions... i want to report 2 bugs to launchpad
[00:24] <Tiibiidii> but i'm not quite sure
[00:24] <BUGabundo> Tiibiidii: what are they?
[00:24] <Tiibiidii> do you know gufw?
[00:25] <BUGabundo> yes
[00:25] <Tiibiidii> i've never really used it... and i've not any serious reason to use it other than "hey, i want to setup easily a firewall"
[00:25] <Tiibiidii> the point is
[00:25] <Tiibiidii> smb
[00:26] <Tiibiidii> needs 4 open ports (don't remember those at the moment)
[00:26] <Tiibiidii> so
[00:26] <Tiibiidii> i configured gufw
[00:26] <Tiibiidii> to open these ports
[00:26] <Tiibiidii> but smb doesn't work
[00:26] <Tiibiidii> disabled gufw
[00:26] <Tiibiidii> smb work
[00:26] <Tiibiidii> enabled gufw
[00:26] <Tiibiidii> but leaving all ports open
[00:26] <Tiibiidii> smb doesn't work
[00:26] <Tiibiidii> to me
[00:26] <penguin42> do you get log messages to tell you what gufw is blocking?
[00:27] <Tiibiidii> this seems a bug... but i'm not a smb expert, so maybe i'm missing something
[00:27] <Tiibiidii> uhm
[00:27] <penguin42> most firewalls log whenever they drop a packet
[00:29] <Tiibiidii> found it
[00:29] <Tiibiidii> uhm... now it's empty, maybe because it's disabled from the startup (i had the bug some days ago, but only today i decided to report it)
[00:33] <penguin42> I'd try to recreate it, and check the log as samba fails; see what the log is complaining about
[00:33] <penguin42> also when you disable gufw try a reboot - it's possible that it is leaving the firewall still enabled in iptables
[00:36] <Tiibiidii> yes... i had to boot the old and slow win xp machine with the smb share^^
[00:37] <Tiibiidii> now i found something interesting
[00:37] <Tiibiidii> i've not enable gufw logging
[00:37] <Tiibiidii> so that's why gufw log's empty
[00:37] <Tiibiidii> but i've enabled ufw logging (gufw should be little more than a frontend of ufw)... but there isn't any ufw log
[00:39] <Tiibiidii> ok... with gufw disabled smb works
[00:39] <Tiibiidii> now i've enabled gufw, its logging and 137 udp/tcp 138 udp and 139 tcp
[00:40] <Tiibiidii> as of http://support.microsoft.com/kb/204279 this should work
[00:41] <penguin42> so what does the log say is being dropped?
[00:41] <Tiibiidii> smb (via nautilus) doesn't give any errors... simply avoid display any share
[00:41] <Tiibiidii> and the gufw log
[00:41] <Tiibiidii> nothing
[00:42] <Tiibiidii> [28/06/2009 01:38:37] ...Fine operazione
[00:42] <penguin42> and in dmesg?
[00:42] <Tiibiidii> is fine if i paste the last 5 lines of dmesg directly here?
[00:43] <Tiibiidii> oh well... i'm doing it^^
[00:43] <Tiibiidii> [48573.070487] ip_tables: (C) 2000-2006 Netfilter Core Team
[00:43] <Tiibiidii> [48575.800776] nf_conntrack version 0.5.0 (16384 buckets, 65536 max)
[00:43] <Tiibiidii> [48575.800994] CONFIG_NF_CT_ACCT is deprecated and will be removed soon. Please use
[00:43] <Tiibiidii> [48575.800996] nf_conntrack.acct=1 kernel paramater, acct=1 nf_conntrack module option or
[00:43] <Tiibiidii> [48575.800998] sysctl net.netfilter.nf_conntrack_acct=1 to enable it.
[00:43] <Tiibiidii> [48575.831486] ip6_tables: (C) 2000-2006 Netfilter Core Team
[00:44] <penguin42> hmm odd, I think a dmesg would normally show dropped packets wouldn't it? I'd check if the firewall is logging
[00:44] <Tiibiidii> i'm doing tail -f /var/log/gufw_log.txt
[00:45] <Tiibiidii> and the only thing it shows
[00:45] <Tiibiidii> is the line i pasted above
[00:45] <Tiibiidii> (before i enabled gufw it wasn't there... so i suppose logging is working fine)
[00:45] <penguin42> I don't know anything about gufw I'm afraid; I'm sure it just does iptables but you'd have to dig to see how it sets up iptables logging
[00:45] <Tiibiidii> mhn
[00:46] <Tiibiidii> do you think that posting my findings to launchpad would be a valid bug report?
[00:46] <BUGabundo> !paste | Tiibiidii
[00:46] <ubot4> Tiibiidii: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic
[00:46] <BUGabundo> or use pastebinit
[00:46] <Tiibiidii> i'm lazy :P
[00:47] <Tiibiidii> i'll do it next time^^
[00:47] <BUGabundo> better do it :p
[00:48] <Tiibiidii> what do you think about this btw?
[00:48] <BUGabundo> no idea
[00:48] <Tiibiidii> uhm
[00:49] <Tiibiidii> strange
[00:49] <Tiibiidii> i opened gufw
[00:49] <Tiibiidii> and it cleared the logfile
[00:49] <Tiibiidii> (that was 1 line... now it's empty)
[00:58] <Tiibiidii> uhm... don't know if i remember wrong... or if the problem was solved... but now by setting a rule to allow any connection to any port, smb works as expected
[00:59] <penguin42> You really need to get it to log packets it drops; once you do that it'll be obvious which port is missing
[00:59] <Tiibiidii> yeah
[01:00] <Tiibiidii> the problem is that i can't find not even some iptables log
[01:00] <Tiibiidii> (now looking into messages)
[01:00] <penguin42> maybe look at the settings in gufw - it might be set to drop or reject but not log
[01:01] <Tiibiidii> uhm... gufw doesn't have many options^^
[01:02] <Tiibiidii> (tipical of gnome apps indeed)
[01:05] <Tiibiidii> this could be a simple issue of not allowing a single port... you aren't aware of any other than 137/138/139?
[01:06] <Tiibiidii> (ah, opened even 445)
[01:06]  * penguin42 isn't
[01:12] <Tiibiidii> uhm... this is interesting: http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=770526
[01:12] <Tiibiidii> "If I turn the firewall ON I can continue to access the Maxtor NAS, but the home workgroup and XP Home system do a disappearing act."
[01:12] <Tiibiidii> could be a windows xp problem
[01:13] <Tiibiidii> "I've tried again and while I can indeed access any NAS or windows share, it fails if I try to do so through places > network in nautilus."
[01:13] <Tiibiidii> or instead could be a nautilus problem
[01:14] <penguin42> I doubt nautilus is interacting with the firewall - it could be
[01:19] <Tiibiidii> mhn
[01:19] <Tiibiidii> the point is... the guy on that forum says that browsing the smb shares
[01:19] <Tiibiidii> is different from connecting to a smb share
[01:19] <Tiibiidii> and indeed
[01:20] <Tiibiidii> he seems right
[01:20] <Tiibiidii> i managed to connect
[01:20] <Tiibiidii> by avoiding browsing
[01:20] <Tiibiidii> so
[01:20] <Tiibiidii> i guess nautilus is using some other port for discovering the smb share... some port different from the smb ones
[01:21] <Tiibiidii> this mean that this wasn't a gufw issue... maybe
[01:21] <Tiibiidii> (not having a decent logging may be another bug on itself)
[01:26] <penguin42> anyway, time to go - as I say, get logging configured and it should be easy to find
[01:26] <bcurtiswx> who here knows what PPA i can use to test the new intel driver... this would be for jaunty
[01:28] <Tiibiidii> this?
[01:28] <Tiibiidii> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates/
[01:28] <Ampelbein> bcurtiswx: or this: https://edge.launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa ?
[01:30] <bcurtiswx> ty both
[01:40] <Tiibiidii> ok
[01:40] <Tiibiidii> not an issue of nautilus
[01:40] <Tiibiidii> even smbtree has it
[02:08] <Craigy90> hi all, I have a Q:
[02:08] <Craigy90> which package would a bug about the login screen be filed against?
[02:11] <Ampelbein> Craigy90: depends on your installation, most likely it's gdm.
[02:11] <Ampelbein> when using gnome that is
[02:11] <Craigy90> yeah, sorry... gnome
[02:11] <Craigy90> ok, thx ampelbein
[02:30] <Tiibiidii> ah, for the record: i think of have found what's the problem... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=190542
[02:31] <Tiibiidii> even though i still need to find a solution applicable for gufw (if there's one)... but for now i think i'll leave
[03:26] <_dcraven> So.. I'm looking for an package upgrade bug to repackage if there is a newer version upstream compared to the version in the ubuntu repos. Many of these (in LP) are assigned to debbugs meaning the intent is that they are to be upgraded in Debian, then synced. Are we supposed to ignore these?
[03:28] <_dcraven> Actually this question might be better asked in #ubuntu-motu I suppose.
[06:09] <micahg> is a .crash file created even when apport is not enabled?
[11:04] <BUGabundo> hallo
[12:33] <jdstrand> Tiibiidii: re gufw> just passing by, but please see bugs #345221 and #360975
[12:34] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 345221 in ufw "ufw blocks samba in 8.10" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/345221
[12:34] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 360975 in ufw "Please add nf_conntrack_pptp and nf_conntrack_netbios_ns to IPT_MODULES" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/360975
[14:22] <xteejx> Hey guys, am triaging bug 124387 what other debugging information can I get, already have version numbers, etc. The apt lock file keeps reinstating itself.
[14:22] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 124387 in update-manager "[jaunty] update manager lock file not always removed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124387
 Tiibiidii: re gufw> just passing by, but please see bugs #345221 and #360975 <-- ty, i was looking at some bugs (like #308334) when my isp cut me out... i'm wondering if it should be reported even on gufw other than on ufw...
[15:40] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 345221 in ufw "ufw blocks samba in 8.10" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/345221
[15:40] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 360975 in ufw "Please add nf_conntrack_pptp and nf_conntrack_netbios_ns to IPT_MODULES" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/360975
[15:40] <Tiibiidii> btw, is it only me that's having problem connecting to bugs.launchpad.net?
[15:41] <Tiibiidii> i keep getting "Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server. "
[16:36] <_dcraven> Same deal here Tiibiidii
[16:37] <BUGabundo> LP is down and known
[16:42] <_dcraven> :(
[17:22] <_dcraven> Seems LP is back up if you're interested.
[17:31] <bcurtiswx> hggdh: ping
[18:25] <scream> How do I instruct something to cron every 6 hours?
[18:25] <scream> on the 0 0 0 0 0 syntax
[18:25] <BUGabundo> scream: RTM man cron
[18:25] <BUGabundo> :)
[18:25] <BUGabundo> scream: this is a bug triage #. please refer support questions to #ubuntu
[18:25] <BUGabundo> thanks!
[18:25] <scream> Honestly... I've done that, but I'm still confused.
[18:25] <scream> snap
[18:26] <scream> I'm sorry, I'm in the wrong channel.
[18:26] <BUGabundo> np
[18:26] <BUGabundo> you are welcome to come aboard
[18:38] <Tiibiidii> ok, i've another bug... with evolution
[18:38] <Tiibiidii> a segmentation fault... but it is only for my user
[18:39] <Tiibiidii> i mean: it's due to an error in in my ~/.evolution
[18:40] <Tiibiidii> does it make it for a good bug report?
[18:41] <Tiibiidii> or instead i should file a bug against the defect that generated the misconfiguration?
[19:45] <bcurtiswx> hggdh: ping
[20:38] <lesshaste> hi all
[20:39] <BUGabundo> hey lesshaste
[20:39] <lesshaste> I have this quite odd bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/389930 and it seems we have hit a brick wall.. any ideas?
[20:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 389930 in grub "grub menu skipped after shutdown" [Low,New]
[20:39] <bcurtiswx> hi lesshaste Bugabundo
[20:39] <lesshaste> hi bcurtiswx BUGabundo
[20:45] <bcurtiswx> lesshaste: doesn't shutdown -h now go into hibernate?
[20:46] <lesshaste> bcurtiswx: it appears not
[20:46] <lesshaste> bcurtiswx: but that's an interesting suggestion
[20:47] <bcurtiswx> lesshaste: hibernate will shutdown like a regular shutdown and save your current state to your RAM... then upon load it will loadup like it does but skip grub since it expects to go into the saved state
[20:47] <bcurtiswx> lesshaste: its not a bug.  if you want to shutdown you use the -r option
[20:47] <lesshaste> bcurtiswx: well... the thing is that "hibernate" from the dropdown menu doesn't behave like shutdown -h now ... let me try it now so I can describe the difference
[20:48] <lesshaste> (not on this computer :) )
[20:48] <bcurtiswx> lesshaste: why are you using -h anyways?
[20:48] <bcurtiswx> and -h doesn't hibernate im sorry
[20:48] <lesshaste> bcurtiswx: I just wanted the dropdown "shutdown" to work but the bug replier said test shutdown from the command line
[20:49] <lesshaste> no problem
[20:50] <bcurtiswx> lesshaste: ok, so you ARE using hte shutdown menu on the taskbar
[20:50] <bcurtiswx> and that bug happens
[20:50] <bcurtiswx> ok
[20:50] <lesshaste> bcurtiswx: it's exactly the same when I use the menu and when I do "shutdown -h now" from the command line
[20:50] <lesshaste> shutdown from the menu that is
[20:50] <bcurtiswx> yeah, the command line "shutdown -r now" works as expected.. right?
[20:51] <lesshaste> restart from the menu is exactly like "shutdown -r now" and yes it works as expected and loads grub
[20:51] <bcurtiswx> yes yes
[20:51] <bcurtiswx> sorry, wow ive lost it
[20:51] <lesshaste> :)
[20:52] <bcurtiswx> try shutdown -P now
[20:52] <bcurtiswx> that should be how the "shutdown" button in the taskbar works
[20:53] <bcurtiswx> see if that works
[20:53] <lesshaste> trying it now
[20:54] <lesshaste> it shutdown fully as before and on restart it didn't load grub
[20:55] <bcurtiswx> kick it....
[20:55] <bcurtiswx> no no no.. just kidding
[20:55] <lesshaste> :)
[20:56] <lesshaste> odd isn't it
[20:56] <bcurtiswx> does the "3...2...1" come up sayings its going to the grub menu?
[20:56] <lesshaste> no
[20:56] <lesshaste> not visibly at least
[20:56] <lesshaste> it would be great if there were a log that told you about grub loading
[20:56] <lesshaste> but I can't find one
[20:56] <lesshaste> dmesg never mentions grub
[20:57] <bcurtiswx> one sec, im gonna check my dmesg
[20:58] <lesshaste> ok
[21:00] <bcurtiswx> someone stop me now if this is a no no.. but i can't think of why.. but attach your /boot/grub/menu.lst to the bug report
[21:02] <lesshaste> http://pastebin.com/f718f445d
[21:02] <lesshaste> are you sure? it's very boringh
[21:02] <bcurtiswx> actually a pastebin is good for now, im compring to my grub menu.lst
[21:03] <lesshaste> errr
[21:03] <lesshaste> wrong thing! Igore that
[21:03] <lesshaste> Ignore that!
[21:03] <lesshaste> I'm coming back in 2 seconds
[21:03] <bcurtiswx> lol, must be his current machine
[21:03] <bcurtiswx> lol
[21:06] <bcurtiswx> welcome back
[21:07] <lesshaste> thanks :)
[21:07] <lesshaste> http://pastebin.com/f44f23c5c is correct
[21:07] <lesshaste> the other one was from the wrong computer! :)
[21:07] <BUGabundo> shiii so much noise
[21:07] <BUGabundo> lesshaste: karmic?
[21:07] <lesshaste> BUGabundo, jaunty
[21:07] <BUGabundo> GPM is dead, so no hibernate/suspend from FUSA
[21:08] <BUGabundo> try $ sudo pm-hibernate
[21:08] <bcurtiswx> BUGabundo: this isn't a hibernate issue
[21:09] <bcurtiswx> lesshaste: my "hiddenmenu" option isn't commented out
[21:09] <bcurtiswx> yours is
[21:09] <BUGabundo> ok
[21:09] <BUGabundo> got it wrong
[21:10] <lesshaste> ok.. that can't matter can it?
[21:10] <bcurtiswx> i dont know
[21:14] <lesshaste> BUGabundo, he left!
[21:14] <BUGabundo> who did?
[21:14] <BUGabundo> ahh bcurtiswx
[21:14] <bcurtiswx> yes? i tested commenting out the hiddenmenu option
[21:15] <bcurtiswx> nothing diff
[21:17] <lesshaste> :(
[21:18] <bcurtiswx> BUGabundo: does the live CD load the grub?
[21:19] <BUGabundo> load? or install ?
[21:19] <bcurtiswx> load
[21:19] <lesshaste> I feel we need to developer of shutdown :)
[21:19] <lesshaste> is that a kernel type person?
[21:20] <bcurtiswx> well, i would suggest trying the liveCD.. but i want to know if it loads a grub menu
[21:20] <bcurtiswx> i can't remember.. nor do i really think it needs to
[21:22] <BUGabundo> hey charl
[21:22] <BUGabundo> hey charlie-tca
[21:22] <charlie-tca> hello, BUGabundo
[21:22] <BUGabundo> lesshaste:  you could ask on #ubuntu-devel
[21:22] <charlie-tca> did the fresh karmic install here
[21:23] <charlie-tca> ext4 and grub2 included
[21:23] <charlie-tca> Now I just have to reinstall about everything I use
[21:24] <BUGabundo> that's so easy charlie-tca
[21:24] <charlie-tca> lol
[21:24] <BUGabundo> *if* you did $ dpkg -l
[21:24] <charlie-tca> Huh?
[21:24] <BUGabundo> $ dpkg -l > installed.txt
[21:24] <bcurtiswx> charlie-tca: is grub2 all that better?
[21:24] <charlie-tca> You mean there is a way?
[21:24] <lesshaste> BUGabundo, they never reply to anything there :()
[21:25] <BUGabundo> then you sed it and echo to apt
[21:25] <Nafallo> dpkg --clear-selection && dpkg --set-selection < package.list :-)
[21:25] <BUGabundo> lesshaste: some times they do
[21:25] <lesshaste> BUGabundo, maybe you could introduce me :)
[21:25] <charlie-tca> bcurtiswx: don't know. I wanted a clean installation to test karmic with
[21:25] <Nafallo> BUGabundo: dpkg --get-selection is more helpful surely :-)
[21:25] <bcurtiswx> whats supposed to be so great about grub2?
[21:25] <BUGabundo> never knew it
[21:25] <BUGabundo> bcurtiswx: LVM, faster, etc
[21:26] <charlie-tca> It is faster than the upgrade I did
[21:26] <bcurtiswx> ive always heard bad things about LVM
[21:26] <BUGabundo> bcurtiswx: you shouldn't
[21:27] <charlie-tca> I like the way it lists the kernels
[21:28] <bcurtiswx> didn't grub 1 do that?
[21:28] <charlie-tca> Not the same way. This is different, easier for me to read all of them
[21:29] <bcurtiswx> ah, ok
[21:30] <bcurtiswx> was the bootup faster?
[21:30] <charlie-tca> much
[21:30] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: all of them?? how many do you have?
[21:30] <charlie-tca> I would guess about half, even on this 64bit system. It's only a 2.2GHz
[21:30] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: we want bootcharts NOW
[21:30] <bcurtiswx> the only thing i didn't like about 64 bit was java and flash problems
[21:31] <bcurtiswx> i use java a lot
[21:31] <bcurtiswx> with yahoo games
[21:31] <charlie-tca> Seem to have about 8 9.04 kernels, 2 karmic, 6 8.10
[21:31] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I don't use java and flash hardly
[21:32] <charlie-tca> bootcharts? I don't even have bluefish reinstalled yet
[21:32] <bcurtiswx> lesshaste: im stumped on your bug
[21:32]  * BUGabundo hands charlie-tca janitor
[21:32] <lesshaste> I think we have almost solved it
[21:32] <charlie-tca> Probably be a day or two before I get everything working again
[21:32] <lesshaste> shutdown is using kexec I think
[21:32] <bcurtiswx> are you using kubuntu?
[21:33] <lesshaste> no
[21:33] <lesshaste> kexec is not related to kde
[21:33] <bcurtiswx> yeah itts a kernel program
[21:33] <bcurtiswx> and i couldve checked your bug report... lol
[21:46] <lesshaste> bcurtiswx, well..it's still not 100% sure
[21:52] <bcurtiswx> me either
[23:11] <hggdh> bcurtiswx, pong (a bit delayed, I guess)
[23:12] <bcurtiswx> hggdh: nbd, just wondering how i test out that idle you said was better than what 2.27.3 has?
[23:12] <bcurtiswx> idk the exact url to us
[23:12] <bcurtiswx> e
[23:12] <hggdh> ok.
[23:13] <hggdh> seems a bit more complex than I would like, but let me get to what I found so far
[23:14] <hggdh> 1. you need to download the git trunks for (at least) empathy, telepathy-idle, and telepathy-glib
[23:14] <hggdh> the projects are all at http://git.collabora.co.uk/
[23:15] <hggdh> as you select one of the links, the new page will tell you what is the GIT URL to be used
[23:16] <hggdh> so, for example, the telepathy-glib git URL is git://git.collabora.co.uk/git/telepathy-glib.git
[23:16] <hggdh> 2. Now, open a terminal, and get somewhere where you can download the sources; under this directory, run: git clone git://git.collabora.co.uk/git/telepathy-glib.git
[23:17] <hggdh> (following the glib example)
[23:17] <hggdh> this will clone (i.e., make an exact copy) of the GIT repository from Collabora.
[23:17] <hggdh> 3. repeat for the other sources
[23:18] <hggdh> now, go to the glib directory, and run ./autogen.sh && configure && make && sudo make install
[23:18] <hggdh> 4. repeat for the other directories
[23:20] <hggdh> this will install all new empathy/telepathy under /usr/local (so, without clobbering the current official binaries)
[23:20] <hggdh> bcurtiswx, did I overwhelm you already?
[23:20] <BUGabundo> dentichat
[23:21] <bcurtiswx> wow
[23:21] <bcurtiswx> then how do i use the new ones?
[23:23] <hggdh> this is what I did not like so far, but I did not have time this weekend to look into it (i.e., RTFM)
[23:23] <hggdh> when you run /usr/local/empathy (the new one), empathy still calls on the official telepathy modules off /usr/lib (and *not* /usr/local/)
[23:24] <bcurtiswx> hmmm
[23:27] <hggdh> a quick hack -- real quick, and emphasys on hack -- is to start /usr/local/libexec/telepathy-idle first: /usr/local/libexec/telepathy-idle &; /usr/local/bin/empathy &
[23:27] <hggdh> then you are good to go. Of course, RTFM should help, and I intend to read the docs soon
[23:28] <Ampelbein> bcurtiswx, hggdh: if it helps: https://edge.launchpad.net/~amoog/+archive/empathy-daily currently has empathy and telepathy-glib daily builds, telepathy-idle joins soon.
[23:28] <hggdh> Ampelbein, as usual, you are a big help :-)
[23:29] <hggdh> bcurtiswx, ^^ much easier to just install Ampelbein's packages...
[23:29] <Ampelbein> ;-)
[23:30] <Ampelbein> unfortunately the build queues are a bit long, so telepathy-idle will not be published soon
[23:32] <hggdh> part of the game, Ampelbein. I will probably use your packages, and keep on with the -idle git, since I want to look at some of the things it does (or does not, yet)
[23:32] <Ampelbein> hggdh: are you on i386?
[23:33] <Ampelbein> if so, i can provide you with telepathy-idle debs.
[23:34] <Ampelbein> hggdh: also, which other telepathy-* packages would be useful for a daily? I'm working on getting -farsight there already.
[23:41] <hggdh> Ampelbein, I run on AMD64... For the other telepathy packages, I am not sure, but Jabber, MSN, and Yahoo certainly will be useful. Personally, -idle is the important one if I am going to move.
[23:42] <hggdh> Ampelbein, BTW, congrats on you making it to MOTU :-)
[23:43] <Ampelbein> hggdh: thanks! I will have a look at the other telepathy libraries.
[23:51] <bcurtiswx> ampelbein... you're awesome
[23:51] <bcurtiswx> can you let me know when idle makes it in?
[23:52] <Ampelbein> bcurtiswx: in 3 hours, according to launchpad ;-) (https://edge.launchpad.net/~amoog/+archive/empathy-daily/+build/1097503)
[23:52] <bcurtiswx> sweet
[23:53] <bcurtiswx> bad link
[23:53] <bcurtiswx> oh
[23:53] <bcurtiswx> nvm
[23:53] <Ampelbein> bcurtiswx: strp the )
[23:53] <bcurtiswx> stupid )
[23:53] <Ampelbein> ;-)


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[15:40] <paultag> Hopps.
[15:40] <paultag> Whoops.
[15:41] <belkinsa> Lol
[15:41] <belkinsa> I guess you have lost the game!
[15:41] <paultag> bah


[19:11] <Eickmeyer> FYI, in case you all didn't hear, libera is dropping support for portalled Matrix bridging. Any Matrix bridging will have to be plumbed starting August 14th. https://libera.chat/news/deportalling-delay
 yep.  thats why this channel has the bot which is the relay bridge.  no more portals, just straight relay without the irc services.
 i can add the bot to the bridge easy i'm just lazy :P
 bot to the matrix side*
[20:54] <Eickmeyer> Or, idk, just plumb the channel?
 we could.  :P


[18:25] <notgary> Hey, how are people doing tonight?
[18:26] <notgary> Anyone checked the mailing list today? There are a couple of new threads I've started that you should all read
[18:27] <notgary> The first meeting of the paper cuts team will be held at the start of next week
[18:27] <notgary> The two threads are to organise a time that is suitable for as many people as possible, and to discuss the agenda
[18:43]  * bryceh waves
[18:43] <notgary> W00t! No more tumbleweeds :)
[18:44] <notgary> How's it going?
[18:45] <notgary> \waves
[18:45] <notgary> Hmm
[18:46] <notgary> How do you type it so it shows up as you performing an action rather than you saying something?
[18:48] <bryceh> say /me foo
[18:48]  * notgary waves
[18:48] <notgary> Awesome. Every day's a school day
[18:49] <bryceh> :-)
[18:50] <notgary> Thanks again for writing v0.1 of the paper cut progress reporter.
[18:52] <bryceh> notgary, sure thing.  how are things going finding volunteers to work on papercuts?
[18:53] <notgary> Got a few, which is a few more than we once had :)
[18:53] <notgary> The best thing is that a couple of them are programmers
[18:53] <notgary> Gtk programmers to be precise
[18:53] <notgary> One of them has sent a couple of patches upstream to both Gtk apps and Gtk itself
[18:54] <notgary> Another is currently talking a bug in Rhythmbox regarding ignored files that I thought would be a huge pain to take on, which I think he is finding to be the case but he's ploughing on with it anyway.
[18:55] <notgary> A couple more have volunteered their services (both programmers) but I've not really seen them active on bug reports, which is a shame since they had a good spread of programming knowledge between them
[18:55] <notgary> And a couple more are working on finding and triaging bug reports
[18:56] <notgary> Which is always incredibly useful given the number currently filed against Ubuntu :)
[18:56] <notgary> But it's early days yet
[18:56] <notgary> And i wasn't expecting a massive influx on day one.
[18:56] <notgary> Instead...
[18:57] <notgary> I'm expecting people to join us when we start publicising the bugs we fix during the cycle
[18:57] <notgary> and they realise that these are ones that have been troubling them for years
[18:57] <notgary> and that they have other paper cuts they want fixed
[18:57] <notgary> so they'll bring them to us
[18:57] <notgary> and help us fix them :)
[18:58] <notgary> Hopefully :P
[18:58] <notgary> :0
[18:58] <notgary> :)
[19:41] <bryceh> excellent
[19:42] <bryceh> yeah that's a good plan.  Build on actual successes rather than on promises of success.


[00:13] <bryce> most internal lists aren't that interesting.  If you post anything interesting, mdz or someone jumps on you and makes you post it to a public list.
[01:59] <superm1> bryce, based on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/284408/comments/40 i almost think this should be SRU'ed...
[02:12] <bryce> superm1: would you like to put an sru through on it?
[02:12] <bryce> superm1: or talk to pitti/slangasek to see if they'd consider it?
[07:38] <superm1> bryce, slangasek said he'd consider.  i've uploaded to intrepid-proposed awaiting archive admin pokage then
[07:39] <crevette> hello
[07:40] <bryce> hi crevette
[07:40] <bryce> superm1: okay, thanks
[07:41] <crevette> hello bryce
[07:41]  * bryce spams launchpad (again)
[08:00] <bryce> (done)
[08:01] <wgrant> How many bugs this time?
[08:01] <wgrant> (I prefer to spam Launchpad *devs* with *new* bugs)
[08:02] <bryce> hrm, I need to print out a total
[08:03] <bryce> couple hundred I guess
[08:03] <wgrant> Ah, not too bad.
[08:03] <bryce> wgrant: this run included the change that sets bugs to confirmed
[08:03] <bryce> so some portion were set to incomplete with appropriate info requests, and a larger proportion -> confirmed
[08:03] <wgrant> Nice.
[08:04] <bryce> we should see a nice drop in total number New
[08:08] <bryce> heh, notice how this graph has a big drop every 7 days:  http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/complete-graphs/xorg/plots/xorg-month-new.png
[08:09] <bryce> (I suspect that's cause I run my new bug triage script every thursday)
[08:10] <bryce> (more graphs at http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Plots/)
[08:11] <wgrant> Yowch. Over 2000 bugs on ~ubuntu-x-swat's packages again...
[08:12]  * bryce nods
[08:12] <bryce> I closed 10 today
[08:13] <bryce> == barely a dent
[08:13] <bryce> heya tseliot
[08:14] <bryce> wgrant: well, the good news is we had around ~2000 when hardy released, so at least we're staying even
[08:14] <bryce> heya philwyett
[08:14] <wgrant> bryce: Ah, not too bad then.
[08:14] <philwyett> Hi bryce
[08:14] <bryce> wgrant: of course my goal for intrepid had been not to stay at 2000 but to decrease to 1500
[08:14] <tseliot> hi bryce
[08:14] <bryce> guess I was a bit optimistic ;-)
[08:16] <tjaalton> hmm, hyundai accent 90EUR for two days
[08:16] <tjaalton> morning
[08:16] <bryce> morning tjaalton
[08:18] <bryce> tseliot: I'm having a lot of various discussions about a config tool for wacom tablets
[08:18] <tseliot> bryce: good, did you decide anything?
[08:18] <bryce> tseliot: I'm trying to tamp expectations down to something simple that even I could deliver on...  if you have thoughts on what *you* would like to do, it would be helpful to hear them
[08:18] <tjaalton> wacom should just support properties
[08:19] <wgrant> tjaalton: But that would make sense...
[08:19] <tjaalton> wgrant: hehe
[08:19] <wgrant> Properties make a GUI so much easier.
[08:19] <bryce> tseliot: really it needs to be a group decision what we do...  I'd like to see us make good progress with wacom but don't want to commit people beyond myself to work
[08:20] <tseliot> bryce: I haven't tried a tablet yet but it shouldn't be difficult to create a nice UI for tablets. Editing XML (fdi) and/or the xorg.conf should be easy.
[08:20] <tseliot> however
[08:20] <tseliot> I'm also working on outputs
[08:20] <bryce> so I'm sort of dependent on people speaking up in relation to what they're interested / willing to do
[08:21] <bryce> tseliot: btw did you get the one I mailed to you?
[08:21] <wgrant> Why create a GUI for putting settings in fdi files when properties are surely the future?
[08:21] <tseliot> bryce: ?
[08:21] <tseliot> the tablet or the email?
[08:21] <bryce> tseliot: tablet
[08:22] <tseliot> no, nothing as of yet
[08:22] <bryce> tseliot: ah.  well I posted it about 1.5 weeks ago, so hopefully should arrive soon
[08:22] <tseliot> bryce: ok, thanks a lot
[08:23] <bryce> tseliot: this is one that doctormo lent to me, with the provision that it should "go to whomever makes tablets work"
[08:23] <tseliot> let me know how much is the shipping via email
[08:23] <bryce> wasn't me, so I hope it's you :-)
[08:23] <bryce> tseliot: no worries
[08:24] <tseliot> I think I can make it easy to configure tablets in Ubuntu and as soon as the tablet arrives I'll start playing with it
[08:24] <bryce> wgrant: actually what we've been discussing is even more ol' school - setting into xorg.conf
[08:25] <wgrant> bryce: So I saw :(
[08:25] <tseliot> bryce: I would also like to show my new Python API for RandR at the UDS
[08:26] <bryce> tseliot: cool :-)
[08:26] <tseliot> and we'll have to decide what I should focus on first
[08:26] <tseliot> outputs or tablet? We'll see
[08:26] <bryce> tseliot: btw I assume you're aware of mvo's python randr bindings?
[08:27] <bryce> I put in a comment to cjwatson's jaunty focus thread that us ubuntu-x guys would like to put a focus on wacom's
[08:27] <tseliot> bryce: yes, and if my xcb module is not enough I will rework mvo's bindings since the rest of my library should work
[08:27] <tseliot> good
[08:27] <tjaalton> surely we'll get xserver 1.6 and all the GEM/KMS-goodness too?
[08:28] <tjaalton> even if it means pulling stuff from git
[08:28] <tseliot> doesn't that depend on the kernel too?
[08:28] <tjaalton> since I've no idea when mesa 8.3 is going to be released
[08:28] <tjaalton> yes
[08:28] <tjaalton> but .28 has GEM
[08:28] <tjaalton> KMS on top of it isn't that much
[08:28] <tjaalton> if we don't get .29
[08:29] <bryce> tseliot: dunno if you saw my earlier comment but cjwatson suggested bugfixing on long-standing bugs be the focus for jaunty.  I basically consider our wacom situation to be one big longstanding regression bug, so figure whatever we want to do there will fit in well.
[08:29] <bryce> tjaalton:  surely
[08:29] <tjaalton> ok, sub'd to linuxwacom*
[08:29] <tjaalton> bryce: ncie
[08:29] <bryce> tjaalton: I do wonder if this gives us some flexibility as to what level of GEM support we want to push
[08:29] <tjaalton> *nice
[08:29] <tseliot> bryce: yes, right, that can be considered a big bug
[08:30] <tjaalton> bryce: GEM is a must, but KMS is extra
[08:30] <tjaalton> unless we want to have plymouth
[08:30] <tseliot> can't we postpone Plymouth to Jaunty+1?
[08:31] <bryce> tjaalton: I figure if we're a touch conservative this release, it wouldn't hurt
[08:31] <bryce> mesa 8.3??  shouldn't that be either 8.0 or 7.3?  or am I drunk?
[08:32] <tjaalton> oh right, 7.3
[08:33] <tjaalton> tseliot: of course, but usplash is crap
[08:33] <tjaalton> and unmaintained
[08:33] <tjaalton> for years now
[08:33] <bryce> well who cares with usplash ;-)
[08:33] <bryce> suspend/hibernate ftw
[08:33] <bryce> ftw?
[08:34] <wgrant> Won't we still need usplash, given that KMS won't work everywhere for ages/ever?
[08:35] <bryce> wgrant: true
[08:35] <tjaalton> plymouth should get another fallback method between KMS and text
[08:35] <bryce> wgrant: yeah aiui plymouth only works with -ati so far
[08:35] <tjaalton> soon with intel
[08:35] <tjaalton> too
[08:35] <bryce> mm
[08:35] <tjaalton> and nouveau doing slow progress
[08:35] <bryce> we'll see.  -intel is bouncy
[08:36] <bryce> oh hey while you're all here
[08:36] <bryce> I've been adopting a practice of trying to upstream 1 bug a day
[08:36] <tseliot> tjaalton: usplash may be crap but it works (or pretend to work) with a number of graphics drivers. Plymouth doesn't (because of drivers, of course)
[08:36] <bryce> and I'm surprised how effective this is
[08:37] <bryce> I'm seeing about a 50% response rate pretty much across the board on all X packages, which seems pretty good
[08:37] <tjaalton> tseliot: plymouth as of now, but surely we could change that?
[08:38] <tseliot> tjaalton: yes, of course. And I'm very excited about plymouth too ;)
[08:38] <bryce> I don't know how actively y'all upstream bugs, but if you're not, I'd definitely encourage you to set aside a chunk of time to do so
[08:38]  * wgrant should be able to get into X bugs in about a week.
[08:38] <tseliot> bryce: 50% rate is more than good
[08:39] <bryce> I particularly focus on -intel, -ati, xserver, and xkeyboard-config
[08:39] <bryce> tseliot: indeed, I expected about a 10% rate, so I'm quite happy
[08:41] <bryce> tjaalton: could I ask a favor?  I find it difficult to upstream bugs to debian.  I would appreciate it if you would write a short description to ubuntu-x@ of how you forward packaging bugs to debian.
[08:41] <tjaalton> bryce: I don't, git is more efficient :)
[08:41] <bryce> (this may tie into your interest in setting up git for ubuntu)
[08:42] <bryce> heh
[08:42] <tjaalton> I usually just ask on #debian-x, and if a change is ok I'll do it
[08:43] <bryce> tjaalton: so push git from that angle, but I'd like to read your thoughts on that
[08:43] <tjaalton> bryce: ok, I'll see what goes on in my head and post
[08:43] <bryce> thanks
[08:44] <bryce> my particular problem has been knowing how to forward bugs to debian (via email?)
[08:45] <tjaalton> yes, email is the interface
[08:48] <tjaalton> I could write a short summary, but for real bugs b.fd.o is our upstream
[08:48] <tjaalton> I don't see that many packaging bugs in lp
[08:49] <tjaalton> and some that have been fixed were problems only in our packages
[08:49] <tjaalton> due to different history etc
[08:49]  * bryce nods
[08:49] <tjaalton> bryce: you agree that we could change the Maintainer address to ubuntu-x@?
[08:50] <bryce> tjaalton: yep
[08:50] <tjaalton> cool
[08:51] <tjaalton> I'll upload xorg-server and probably libdrm 2.4.1 today
[08:52] <bryce> awesome
[08:52] <bryce> with libdrm uploaded, -intel 2.5.x can be merged
[08:52] <wgrant> Ooh shiny.
[08:52] <wgrant> I might upgrade to Jaunty soon.
[08:52] <tjaalton> btw, intel has a lot of patches and is not in git ;)
[08:52] <bryce> yeah yeah
[08:52] <tjaalton> :P
[08:53] <bryce> :-P
[08:53] <bryce> and I'm out next week so who knows if I'll get to it
[08:53] <tjaalton> the ubuntu branch could be handled like debian-experimental is; when debian-unstable is good enough we just sync that and use the ubuntu branch again when needed
[08:54] <tjaalton> oh I can do that, it's not a huge amount of work
[08:54] <bryce> pretty much all the ubuntu changes to -intel have also gone upstream
[08:54] <bryce> same with -ati
[08:55] <tjaalton> yeah, probably
[08:55] <bryce> most if not all were also accepted upstream
[08:55] <bryce> so I *think* everything we have different from debian will be able to just be dropped when we up to latest
[08:56] <tjaalton> hmm, I'll check if intel could be updated on -experimental, at least the git branch. it would be trivial to merge then
[08:57] <tjaalton> experimental has drm-snapshot which means that the new libdrm can't go there
[08:57] <tjaalton> so i'm not sure if drm-snapshot is good for -intel
[08:57] <tjaalton> but will ask jcristau
[08:57] <tjaalton> oh, I just did
[09:30] <bryce> nite
[09:30] <tjaalton> night
[09:36] <tseliot> night
[10:03] <Ng> can I somehow make the intel driver pretend that certain outputs don't exist?
[10:03] <tjaalton> see the thinkwikipage
[10:03] <tjaalton> mentioned on the bug
[10:03] <tjaalton> or did you paste it here
[10:09] <Ng> well I used xrandr --output HDMI-1 --off to turn it off, but I would be happiest if it simply didn't show up in the available outputs at all
[10:09] <tjaalton> right, so turn it off on xorg.conf
[10:10] <tjaalton> in
[10:10] <Ng> I flicked through the intel manpage and didn't see options for that
[10:10] <tjaalton> the example xorg.conf on the wikipage has
[10:10] <jcristau> Section "Monitor"\n\tIdentifier "HDMI-1"\n\tOption "ignore"\nEndSection
[10:10] <Ng> oh :)
[10:11]  * Ng hangs head in shame ;)
[10:24] <Ng> ugh, this just isn't working, I'm going to force the whole thing to stay at 1024x768 the whole time
[10:24] <Ng> plugging a projector in after the fact and configuring the displays to mirror just makes X crash afaics
[10:25] <Ng> and once the intel driver has loaded once it never works properly the second time
[10:25] <wgrant>  /win 4
[10:25] <wgrant> Grh.
[11:34]  * Ng wonders if it would make sense for the "Detect Displays" button in gnome-display-properties to go away
[11:35] <Ng> out of interest, what does that button actually do? just look through xrandr outputs for ones that are connected?
[11:50] <Ng> well whatever it does it seems to produce a callback when things have changed, so doing it periodically while the tool is running (and less frequently when the tool isn't running, unless there are power usage implications) would be nice
[11:51] <Ng> "ohai! you has a new output device, want configures?"
[12:12] <wgrant> Ng: Does it not make your screens flicker as the EDID is transferred in-band?
[12:21] <Ng> wgrant: no, but it seems like it does for a lot of people, so scratch that idea ;)
[14:14] <tjaalton> anyone here uses virtualbox?
[14:14] <tjaalton> can't get usb devices to work with it
[14:16] <tjaalton> although usbfs is mounted and vboxusers has access to it
[14:25] <tseliot> tjaalton: can you upload your fstab somewhere?
[14:25] <tjaalton> it should be fine, vboxusers has rw
[14:26] <tjaalton> and I'm on the group
[14:27] <tjaalton> ah
[14:27] <tseliot> did you put something like this in the fstab? none /proc/bus/usb usbfs devgid=85,devmode=664 0 0
[14:27] <tjaalton> yes
[14:27] <tjaalton> found the culprit
[14:27] <tseliot> ?
[14:27] <tjaalton> it has to be enabledd
[14:27] <tjaalton> -d
[14:27] <tjaalton> from the host
[14:27] <tjaalton> um, I mean the image properties
[14:27] <tseliot> hehe right
[14:28] <tseliot> the easiest part
[14:28] <tjaalton> first I tried to use the -ose edition
[14:28] <tjaalton> no go
[14:29] <tseliot> I guess USB support is only for the non oss edition
[14:29] <tjaalton> yep
[14:30] <tjaalton> vbox faq didn't mention that
[14:36] <tjaalton> oh well, nokia pc suite doesn't work with it so..
[14:37] <tjaalton> apparently fixed in vbox 2.1
[14:39] <Ng> tjaalton: for syncing or firmware upgrades?
[14:39] <tjaalton> Ng: both
[14:39] <tjaalton> I'd like to get rid of xp
[14:39] <tjaalton> er, the partition that is
[14:39] <Ng> tjaalton: fwiw I'd be very wary of doing the latter via virtualised windows
[14:39] <tjaalton> well, I'll just wait until someone tests that :)
[14:39] <Ng> I nearly bricked my N95 upgrading the firmware via vmware
[14:39] <tjaalton> with 2.1
[14:39] <tjaalton> oh?
[14:40] <Ng> it seems like the devices get put into a simple bootloader state which can receive the firmware image, and then it restarts with a different USB id, gets confirmation of something from the host, and then boots normally
[14:41] <Ng> something about the USB interaction with linux meant the phone thought it had failed and went into a loop
[14:41] <Ng> the upgrade tool would just see that and upload the firmware again
[14:41] <Ng> and it didn't seem to be able to continue the process from another computer, the nokia software doesn't seem capable of noticing the bootloader and continuing from that point in the process
[14:42] <Ng> I only got out of the loop by very carefully yanking the USB cable at a particular point in the cycle ;)
[14:43] <Ng> similarly I can't upgrade my iphone's firmware via vmware, it also seems to do some sneaky USB ID magic on reboot, which gets lost in the handover from linux to windows, and so the firmware just gets written again
[14:43] <Ng> thankfully itunes is able to recover a device in that state, so I could do it properly from a real windows machine ;)
[14:43] <tjaalton> pc suite will get scrapped in the not-too-distant future, so hopefully the next one is better
[14:43] <Ng> I hear nokia are mostly moving to over-the-air upgrades anyway?
[14:43] <tjaalton> yeah, probably
[14:45] <tjaalton> heh, looks like logitech harmony remotes have the same problem
[14:50] <tjaalton> oh, there's native support for it now (concordance/congruity)
[14:53] <tjaalton> I'll just have to package those :)
[15:17] <tjaalton> already done and available on revu, great
[15:20] <Ng> win :)
[15:20] <Ng> maybe I should get one of those, but unless they can do PS3 style bluetooth remote too, it's a bit pointless ;)
[15:21] <tjaalton> that's why I'm getting a PS3IR-PRO
[15:21] <tjaalton> it translates ir-commands to bluetooth
[15:22] <tjaalton> I'd just need someone from the US to get one for me before UDS ;)
[15:22] <tjaalton> shipping & customs would make it a bit pricey
[15:23] <tjaalton> the harmony database has the device, so setting it up should be a breeze
[15:23] <tjaalton> (bought my own PS3 yesterday :)
[15:50] <Ng> tjaalton: get one shipped to the UDS hotel? :)
[15:50] <Ng> (I'm going to be at this UDS \o/ )
[15:50] <tjaalton> Ng: that might work
[15:50] <Ng> I didn't know such a thing existed, how much are they?
[15:50] <tjaalton> cool :)
[15:50] <tjaalton> $100
[15:50] <Ng> ouch
[15:50] <tjaalton> yep
[15:50] <Ng> on top of a Harmony, that's an expensive setup to avoid a few remote controls ;)
[15:51] <tjaalton> not much competition there, ir2bt revised their model and now it's $150
[15:51] <Ng> I'm getting so annoyed by the problems with my new TV PC that I'm going to get upnp transcoding going and just use the PS3 to watch media
[15:52] <tjaalton> I'm thinking about doing the same
[15:52] <Ng> I'd recommend mediatomb for the upnp server. ushare and gmediaserver are both a bit too basic. mediatomb won't melt your heart with awesomeness, but at least it works ;)
[15:53] <tjaalton> I've got a QNAP TS-409 which has twonkymedia, works great
[15:53] <tjaalton> once vdr can write mpeg-ts, PS3 can play those directly
[15:53] <tjaalton> 1.7 should be able to
[15:53] <Ng> interesting
[15:54] <Ng> hmm, isn't DVB already -ts?
[15:54] <tjaalton> yes, but the format vdr has used is kinda special
[15:54] <Ng> ah
[15:54] <tjaalton> file format I mean
[15:55] <Ng> well fwiw with appropriate magic in the mediatomb config, you can do transcoding, so any appropriate source that ffmpeg/mplayer/vlc/whatever can process, is fine
[15:55] <Ng> I'm going to play with some online sources :)
[15:55] <Ng> I happen to know of some secret URLs to bbc x.264 streams ;)
[15:55] <tjaalton> hehe
[18:52] <tjaalton> hmm, VDPAU..
[18:54] <superm1> lots of chatter about VDPAU in #mythtv at least atm
[18:57] <tjaalton> I can imagine :)
[18:59]  * bryce waves
[19:00] <superm1> even patches for ffmpeg mplayer.. wow     ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/vdpau/mplayer-vdpau-3076399.tar.bz2
[19:16] <pwnguin> when is uds?
[19:17] <jcristau> something like 8-12 dec, iirc
[19:17] <bryce> dec 8-12
[19:18] <pwnguin> nuts
[19:19] <pwnguin> just got a new job (promotion really); so it seems while i can afford a trip to mountain view, i cant get the time off =)
[21:31] <tjaalton> what was the command again to print out the key definitions of the current keymap?
[21:34] <jcristau> 'xkbcomp -xkb :0 -' ?
[21:39] <tjaalton> yeah that's the one, thanks
[21:39] <tjaalton> looks like I got the fix for bug 272606 completely backwards :)
[23:39] <bryce> jcristau: have you looked at bringing in libdrm 2.5.1 so far?
[23:40] <jcristau> there's already a drm snapshot in experimental, and i can't update libdrm in sid before lenny.
[23:43] <bryce> jcristau: ok