[12:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61752 in Ubuntu "Login message" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61752
[12:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61753 in totem (main) "Tryng to install" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61753
[12:19] <boricua> trying to find out if any fix on these bugs 40460 and 52648
[12:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40460 in Ubuntu "system freezes in network settings" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/40460
[12:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52648 in gnome-network "locks system configring linksys card" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/52648
[12:21] <boricua> what is malone bug
[12:21] <boricua> and does untriaged mean?
[12:29] <gnomefreak> malone = bug tracker  untriaged really doesnt change unless the importance of the bug is set
[12:34] <boricua> gnomefreak: any idea why it has not been dealt with
[12:38] <gnomefreak> no but give me some time ill look at them
[12:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61755 in gaim (main) "No bonjour support" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61755
[12:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61756 in tomboy (main) "gnome tray icon / notifier not displayed" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61756
[12:47] <did447> boricua: did you look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=192588 for a workaround?
[12:49] <gnomefreak> boricua: 40460 is being worked on as it has started to have been triaged. the 52648 doesnt have enough info to do anything with i commented and gave you a few links to help us with it.
[12:49] <gnomefreak> boricua: 40460 is being worked on as it has started to have been triaged. the 52648 doesnt have enough info to do anything with i commented and gave you a few links to help us with it.
[12:49] <gnomefreak> oops
[12:49] <mdz> sfllaw: hi
[01:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61758 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "SD cards >512mb don't work in Ricoh card reader" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61758
[01:07] <boricua> i am back sorry
[01:09] <boricua> gnomefreak: you updated it today
[01:13] <boricua> gnomefreak: i am updating the bug further now
[01:13] <boricua> did447: looking at your advice
[01:15] <boricua> gnomefreak: just updated
[01:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61759 in Ubuntu "error message when opening Rosegarden program" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61759
[01:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61760 in upstart (main) "upstart-logd clutters console with messages during normal work" [High,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61760
[01:18] <boricua> did447: i dont like that solution i  will try from source http://www.ralinktech.com/supp-1.htm
[01:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61761 in mono (main) "crashes when starting monodevelop" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61761
[01:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61762 in Ubuntu "Kernels post-2.6.17-6 wont boot (Edgy)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61762
[01:30] <gnomefreak> boricua: still have no clue what ubuntu version you have
[01:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61764 in xen-tools (universe) "setup hooks in xen-tools should point to Ubuntu repositories" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61764
[01:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61763 in upstart (main) "Hard disk stops and restarts on shut down" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61763
[01:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61766 in Ubuntu "Human Theme Artifacts" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61766
[01:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61767 in hal (main) "External disks PPC bootstrap partition are automounted" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61767
[01:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61769 in Ubuntu "Belkin Wireless Adaptor F5D7050" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61769
[01:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61768 in cernlib (universe) "Please review merge of cernlib" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61768
[01:56] <boricua> gnomefreak:6.0.6
[01:57] <gnomefreak> boricua: add it to the bug report
[01:57] <gnomefreak> ill look at it again tomorrow im going to bed
[01:57] <boricua> ok
[02:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61770 in openoffice.org (main) "EDGY - Long time to start and open file dialog crashes OOo" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61770
[02:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61771 in gdeskcal (universe) "Please review merge of gdeskcal" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61771
[02:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61772 in power-manager (universe) "EDGY - Suspend of laptop with orinoco_cs wireless" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61772
[02:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61773 in power-manager (universe) "EDGY - Power manager reports low battery but panel does not." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61773
[02:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61774 in biococoa.app (universe) "Please sync biococoa.app 1.6.0-3 (universe) from Debian Sid (main)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61774
[02:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61775 in gnome-screensaver (main) "[Edgy]  WebCollage screensaver doesnt work " [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61775
[02:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61776 in bibtex2html (universe) "Please sync bibtex2html 1.82-2 (universe) from Debian Sid (main)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61776
[02:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61777 in bottlerocket (universe) "Please sync bottlerocket 0.05b3-7 (universe) from Debian Sid (main)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61777
[02:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61778 in car (universe) "Please sync car 1.1-1-1 (universe) from Debian Sid (main)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61778
[02:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61779 in vmware-player (multiverse) "RedHat Error" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61779
[02:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61780 in mdadm (main) "mdadm update fails to stop old version & start new version" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61780
[02:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61781 in ubiquity (main) "Ubiquity crash just before partitioning." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61781
[02:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61782 in cluster (universe) "Please sync cluster 1.11.2-1 (universe) from Debian Sid (main)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61782
[02:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61783 in phpgroupware (universe) "package should depend on php5-imap | php4-imap" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61783
[02:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61784 in date (universe) "Please sync date 1.2.21-1 (universe) from Debian Sid (main)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61784
[02:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61785 in effects (universe) "Please sync effects 1.0.9-1 (universe) from Debian Sid (main)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61785
[03:06] <bddebian> Boo
[03:06] <jjesse> don't cry
[03:07] <bddebian> :-)
[03:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61786 in nautilus (main) "[Feature request]  'Create folder in here' type option for nautilus" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61786
[03:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61787 in gdata (universe) "Please sync gdata 2.2.0-1 (universe) from Debian Sid (main)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61787
[03:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61788 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17 (restricted) "Error inserting ath_pci" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61788
[03:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61789 in fityk (universe) "Please sync fityk 0.7.5-2 (universe) from Debian Sid (main)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61789
[03:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61790 in freefem (universe) "Please sync freefem 3.5.7-pre1v1 (universe) from Debian Sid (main)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61790
[03:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61791 in gff2ps (universe) "Please sync gff2ps 0.98d-2 (universe) from Debian Sid (main)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61791
[03:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61792 in azureus (universe) "Freezes on launch at "Loading Images"" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61792
[03:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61793 in Ubuntu "menu.lst has change after the updates (removes Windows option)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61793
[03:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61794 in vmware-player (multiverse) "Update of Error with Redhat " [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61794
[03:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61795 in flashplugin-nonfree (multiverse) "Problem upgrading to 7.0.68" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61795
[03:40] <crimsun> sigh.
[03:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61797 in Ubuntu "RAlink based wireless usb stick not recognized" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61797
[03:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61796 in apport (main) "[Edgy]  Package install broken" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61796
[04:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61798 in Ubuntu "Knot 3 doesn't enable eth0 for VIA Rhine 2 II VT6102" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61798
[04:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61799 in gaim (main) "file transfer to MSN broken" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61799
[04:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61800 in postgresql-8.1 (main) "couldn't install postgresql-8.1 correctly" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61800
[04:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61801 in ubiquity (main) "Installer Crashed" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61801
[04:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61802 in Ubuntu "Unabel to Install flashplugin-nonfree (7.0.68-ubuntu1-dapper1)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61802
[04:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61803 in hotkeys (universe) "Volume hotkeys fail when focus is on external display" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61803
[05:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61804 in dpkg (main) "autogeneration of grub's menu.lst is invalid" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61804
[05:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61806 in nautilus (main) "Search does not initiate from current directory" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61806
[05:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61807 in nautilus (main) "Search does not stop when you click on the "Stop" button" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61807
[06:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61808 in libimage-exiftool-perl (universe) "[Edgy]  exiftool integrated help system needs 'perldoc'." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61808
[06:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61809 in libimage-exiftool-perl (universe) "[Edgy]  exiftool does not support Sony *.ARW files." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61809
[06:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61810 in module-assistant (universe) "Bad strings in module-assistant" [Low,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61810
[06:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61811 in exiv2 (universe) "[Edgy]  libexiv2 does not support Sony *.ARW files." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61811
[06:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61812 in upstart (main) "computer won't restart after upstart is installed" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61812
[06:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61813 in base-installer (main) "Unable to install Edgy Eft Knot 3 on IBM T-43" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61813
[07:07] <moyogo> hi
[07:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61814 in ubiquity (main) "Installer Crashed Dapper Drake Kubuntu" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61814
[07:29] <dholbach> good morning
[07:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61815 in acpi (main) "Message of error in BIOS in console tty1" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61815
[07:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61816 in compiz (universe) "Crash reported" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61816
[07:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61817 in nautilus (main) "Nautilus regenerates thumbnail previews when using symbolic link" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61817
[07:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61818 in Ubuntu "OpenOffice crashes when Saving/Saving As/Exporting" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61818
[08:10] <Kagou> hi
[08:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61819 in silo (main) "silo is miscompiled with edgy toolchain" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61819
[08:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61820 in silo (main) "silo doesn't pass proper initramfs pointer to kernel" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61820
[08:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61821 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "regression from dapper on niagarara (SMP) kernel" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61821
[08:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61822 in kdeutils (main) "IBM Thinkpad volume keys handled wrong and made partly unusable" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61822
[08:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61823 in Ubuntu "Hebrew translation appear wrong way round in terminal" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61823
[09:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61824 in Ubuntu "The "Quit..." screen is off center" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61824
[09:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61826 in usplash (main) "Usplash doesn't show any message, just progress" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61826
[09:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61827 in Ubuntu "Wireless on Amilo M7440 doesn't work" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61827
[09:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61825 in ubuntu-artwork (main) "Firefox start page still says '6.06 Dapper Drake'" [High,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61825
[09:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61828 in edubuntu-meta (main) "i tried to install the package in my desktop which is working in linux workstation 10.0.i amunable to install as the CD contains .exe files. email howto install in linux o/s pc " [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61828
[09:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61829 in sylpheed (universe) "Please bump sylpheed to 2.2.9" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61829
[09:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61830 in Ubuntu "battery" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61830
[09:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61832 in gnome-ppp (universe) "Please sync gnome-ppp 0.3.23-1 (universe) from Debian Sid (main)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61832
[09:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61833 in Ubuntu "Incorrect IMG ALT in home.html (en) for DiscTree" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61833
[09:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61834 in hal (main) "SD slot on 7-in-1 USB card reader not recognised as SD" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61834
[10:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61835 in gtk+2.0 (main) "No grid-lines property on GtkTreeView" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61835
[10:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61837 in tk8.4 (main) "russian input in tcl+tk applications broken" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61837
[10:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61838 in tcl8.4 (main) "russian unput in tcl+tk applications broken" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61838
[10:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61839 in flashplugin-nonfree (multiverse) "pretty please, build this" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61839
[10:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61840 in file-roller (main) "Translation of file-roller's manual" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61840
[10:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61841 in mercurial (universe) "Please sync mercurial 0.9.1-1 (universe) from Debian Sid (main)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61841
[10:46] <pips1> hi
[10:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61842 in ubuntu-meta (main) "removing ubuntu-minimal leaves system in a unbootable state" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61842
[10:49] <pips1> I want to test the dist-upgrade 'dapper' -> 'edgy' (knot3, daily build 22-Sep). How can I do that? I suppose I need to add knot3 to the sources.list somehow?
[10:50] <Fujitsu> pips1, if you really want to upgrade, change all references to dapper in your sources.list to edgy, run sudo apt-get update, and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade.
[10:50] <Fujitsu> But don't do it if it is a production system, as Edgy is liable to break.
[10:50] <pips1> Fujitsu: ta
[10:51] <Fujitsu> No problem :)
[10:51] <pips1> no worries, it's a test setup, not a production setup :-)
[10:51] <Fujitsu> Good :)
[10:55] <pips1> I'm testing edubuntu. I just see that there are /etc/apt/sources.list *and* /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/sources.list
[11:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61844 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17 (restricted) "NVIDIA 3d drivers can be configured by GUI" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61844
[11:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61845 in icecc (universe) "Please sync icecc 0.7.14 (universe) from Debian Sid (main)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61845
[11:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61846 in gnome-desktop (main) "Gnome freeze when i play with several windows in same time" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61846
[11:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61847 in clucene-core (universe) "Please sync clucene-core (universe) from Debian Sid (main)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61847
[11:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61848 in Ubuntu "[edgy]  kernel panic after last update" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61848
[11:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61849 in exiv2 (universe) "wrong shlibs file" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61849
[12:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61850 in kexi (universe) "Kexi cannot access PostgreSQL databases anymore" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61850
[12:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61851 in Ubuntu "a FINISHED INSTALLATION SHOULD NOT DEPEND NON THE MEDIA!!!" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61851
[12:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61852 in update-manager (main) "Failing to fetch is a critical error" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61852
[12:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61853 in gtk+2.0 (main) "libgtk2.0-0-dev needs libtiff4-dev" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61853
[12:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61854 in redhatcluster (main) "[EDGY]  rgmanager does not switch services correctly when failover domai is configured" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61854
[12:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61851 in debian-installer "a FINISHED INSTALLATION SHOULD NOT DEPEND NON THE MEDIA!!!" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61851
[12:25] <Hobbsee> dholbach: --> /dev/null
[12:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61855 in ubiquity (main) "Installer crashed (powerpc,edgy knot 3)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61855
[12:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61856 in egroupware (universe) "eGroupWare packages in Edgy are outdated" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61856
[12:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61857 in evolution-exchange (main) "Crashed whilst typing new recipient" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61857
[12:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61858 in Ubuntu "accented vowels" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61858
[01:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61859 in Ubuntu "dbus can't load session.config" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61859
[01:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61860 in kaffeine (main) "[Edgy-Knot3]  Buffer Overflow in Kaffeine 0.8.1" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61860
[01:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61861 in ruby1.8 (main) "fails to build on ppc" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61861
[01:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61863 in xsp (universe) "Please sync xsp <IP_ADDRESS>-1 from debian/unstable (main)" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61863
[01:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61864 in wengophone (universe) "broken package, obsolete dependency" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61864
[01:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61862 in mod-mono (universe) "Please sync mod-mono 1.1.17-2 from debian/unstable (main)" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61862
[01:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61865 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15 (restricted) "Atheros (madwifi) card not recognized after upgrade to 2.6.15-27" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61865
[01:50] <dholbach> down to 1320 - muhuhuhuhuhauhahahahaha
[01:50] <Hobbsee> good work dholbach!
[01:50] <dholbach> gracias
[01:50] <motin_> is it to late to report bugs to be fixed before edgy?
[01:50] <Hobbsee> nope
[01:51] <motin_> great
[01:51] <motin_> and another one: is the fact that hibernate doesn't work on my laptop - a bug?
[01:51] <motin_> or just compatibility issue...
[01:53] <motin_> and lastly: how do I haw an strace write to a log-file? now "strace echo hello > test.log" only writes "hello" in test.log
[01:54] <dholbach> strace echo hello 2&> test.log
[01:54] <dholbach> any maybe ask on the laptop-testing-team mailing list about your laptop model
[01:54] <dholbach> or search the LaptopTestingTeam wiki
[01:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61867 in rhythmbox (main) "Rhythmbox crashes when 'Watch my library for new files' is selected" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61867
[02:00] <motin_> dholbach: good tips, but about the laptop - after I listed my model and what works and what doesn't - should I report the things that dont work as bugs?
[02:01] <pips1> I'm testing edubuntu. I want to test the dist-upgrade 'dapper' -> 'edgy' (knot3, daily build 22-Sep). I changed the references from 'dapper' to 'edgy' in the sources.list. Apt-get update works, but Apt-get dist-ugrade just tells me that nothing was upgraded...?!
[02:02] <finalbeta> pips1, we are going to need more information then that.
[02:02] <finalbeta> Why was it not upgraded?
[02:02] <pips1> motin_: yes, if you have searched the bugtracker and your bug is new, open a new bug in the tracker
[02:03] <pips1> My locale is set to German... bear with me, I change back to English so I can post english err messages, ...
[02:07] <pips1> finalbeta after doing $ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, it just says, 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
[02:07] <finalbeta> Something must be wrong with the repo's?
[02:07] <finalbeta> Does look like it has anything to do.
[02:07] <pips1> I'm now thinking: maybe I need to use the "official mirror", rathan than my Swiss one...
[02:07] <Hobbsee> pips1: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list please?
[02:07] <finalbeta> pips1, yes, difinitly
[02:08] <pips1> ah, so what is the official one?
[02:08] <finalbeta> remove the se. from the repo's?
[02:08] <finalbeta> Wait, i'll paste mine somewhere
[02:08] <Hobbsee> finalbeta: check what the repos are first :P
[02:09] <pips1> right, understood
[02:09] <pips1> ls
[02:10] <pips1> damm, wrong computer :)
[02:10] <finalbeta> pips1, edit out the backports and any unofficial repo's when upgrading
[02:10] <pips1> juggling keyboard here ;)
[02:10] <pips1> finalbeta oki
[02:10] <motin_> pips1: thanks
[02:10] <motin_> from where is the "wake-up from hibernate" script run. I'd like to put an "strace SCRIPT 2& > wakeup.log" on it to be able to see when and why GDM restarts after wake-up and then file a good bugreport on the matter
[02:17] <pips1> finalbeta Hobbsee thanks guys, now we are talking, dist-upgrade is doing it's magic now :)
[02:17] <Hobbsee> yay :)
[02:17] <pips1> it was a missing line in my sources.list
[02:17] <finalbeta> pips1, good luck, you will need it.
[02:17] <pips1> hehe
[02:18] <finalbeta> Ran XGL before?
[02:18] <pips1> nope
[02:18] <finalbeta> AH, good, then most of it should go fine.
[02:18] <pips1> XGL is in by default?!
[02:18] <pips1> ah
[02:19] <finalbeta> Nah, I mean if you ran xgl on dapper, then the xserver was replaced. And the upgrade would stall on dependency's
[02:19] <pips1> ic
[02:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61868 in ubiquity (main) "Installer crashed" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61868
[02:21] <finalbeta> pips1, AIGLX is in it by default (in xorg 7.1 that is)
[02:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61869 in example-content (main) "No PDF and PS file" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61869
[03:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61870 in subversion (main) "German translation inconsistent" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61870
[03:12] <ogra> dholbach, ping, what kind of ppc tests did you want ?
[03:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61871 in evince (main) "Documents opening in presentation mode" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61871
[03:20] <pschulz01> Hi! I'm seeing a lot of 'installer crashed' bugs in Malone. Is there any known problem? (Just trying to help out..)
[03:22] <Hobbsee> pschulz01: yeah, kamion's working thru them, the general idea, if they're assigned to ubiquity, is "dont touch"
[03:22] <pschulz01> Ta.
[03:22] <pschulz01> If they are assigned to something else?
[03:23] <Hobbsee> go for it
[03:23] <Hobbsee> i think is the story
[03:23] <Hobbsee> as for why you'd want to is an interesting question
[03:23] <pschulz01> eg. b61633?
[03:24] <pschulz01> and 61557
[03:25] <pschulz01> (although the last one seem to have seen some activity.)
[03:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61872 in Ubuntu "Serial mouse is not detected in ubuntu LTS 6.06" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61872
[03:26] <dholbach> ogra: ?
[03:26] <dholbach> ogra: what ppc tests did I want?
[03:27] <ogra> you said something about a bug and me having a ppc to test in here yesterday
[03:27] <dholbach> hm
[03:27] <dholbach> i'm getting old
[03:27] <dholbach> forgot
[03:27] <ogra> dunno what that was about, just saw the ping before getting to bed
[03:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61873 in xine-ui (universe) "warning reported in terminal when playing videos using xine" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61873
[03:33] <dholbach> ogra: ahh! seb128 discovered that there ppc-related evolution breakage
[03:33] <seb128> ogra: I was asking how you fixed your crash loop with evolution you got after a search
[03:33] <dholbach> ogra: BenC and bradb have ppcs too, etc
[03:33] <seb128> ogra: bradb had the same issue and was looking for a workaround
[03:33] <ogra> ah
[03:33] <seb128> ogra: deleting the cmeta file for that box did the trick
[03:34] <seb128> looks like a ppc bug to me
[03:34] <ogra> its a while ago that i used my ibook for real work
[03:34] <seb128> might be a gcc bug similar to the one BenC tracked before dapper
[03:34] <ogra> i had no crash with a particular mail, only during searches in big folders
[03:34] <seb128> what I said
[03:35] <seb128> "your crash loop with evolution you got after a search"
[03:35] <ogra> right
[03:35] <seb128> according to my IRC mail logs  you moved the box opened at that time previous time
[03:35] <seb128> and I've not found what you did the first time you got the issue
[03:35] <seb128> anyway as said moving the cmeta for that folder did the trick
[03:35] <seb128> thank you anyway ;)
[03:36] <ogra> the problem was that it came up in the same state it died so it creashed in the same search ... then i just moved the folder i was searching in out of the way in ~/.evolution and could start it again
[03:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61874 in Ubuntu "sync request" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61874
[03:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61875 in firefox (main) "Keyboard shortcuts for "Add page to bookmarks..." and "Save page as..." are the same" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61875
[03:36] <ogra> moving the folder back to its old state usually fixed it
[03:36] <seb128> ogra: weird
[03:36] <ogra> i think its rather a metadata thing in evo than directly related to the folder
[03:37] <ogra> else i wouldnt have been able to just copy it back after teaching evo to not use the search
[03:37] <bddebian> Boo
[03:38] <seb128> ogra: what I said, deleting the cmeta did the trick
[03:38] <seb128> ogra: that file has information about the search, the widget position, etc
[03:38] <pips1> just finishing an dist-upgrade to knot3 (today's daily)... question: when doing a dist-upgrade, should it just all run through, or is it expected that I need to choose certain installation options in the shell? or should it all just run through without any questions?
[03:39] <seb128> pips1: we try to have no question on upgrade when possible
[03:40] <pips1> so, should I report this then?
[03:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61879 in gnome-utils (main) "gnome-panel-screenshot crash" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61879
[03:40] <pips1> in launchpad?
[03:40] <elmargol> Off topic: someone knows when the jabber.org server comes up again?
[03:40] <Fujitsu> elmargol, it's been down for more than 24 hours :(
[03:41] <elmargol> yes now very professional :(
[03:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61876 in Ubuntu "requesting a meta-package for all debug information" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61876
[03:41] <seb128> pips1: you can, you can mention the package and the question on the chan first if you want to be sure
[03:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61877 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "kernel panic - not syncing" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61877
[03:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61878 in file-roller (main) "Editing files in file-roller causes data loss" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61878
[03:41] <pips1> seb128: ok
[03:42] <elmargol> from the mailing list "Jonathan and I have been troubleshooting and we're not sure what the problem is, so we need to talk with some of the ejabberd developers, who are offline right now. I'm not sure what our ETA is..."
[03:42] <pips1> Installing new version of config file /etc/pam.d/su ...
[03:42] <pips1> Configuration file '/etc/login.defs'
[03:42] <Nafallo> elmargol: ?
[03:42] <elmargol> Nafallo: yes wrong channel
[03:43] <Nafallo> elmargol: ah :-).
[03:43] <pips1> ==> Modified (by you or by a script) since installation.
[03:43] <pips1> ==> Package distributor has shipped an updated version.
[03:44] <pips1> What would you like to do about it ? Your options are:
[03:44] <pips1> Y or I : install the package maintainer's version
[03:44] <pips1> N or O : keep your currently-installed version
[03:44] <pips1> D : show the differences between the versions
[03:45] <ogra> noooo
[03:45] <ogra> %$"/%$/&
[03:45] <pips1> Z : background this process to examine the situation
[03:45] <pips1> The default action is to keep your current version.
[03:46] <pips1> *** login.defs (Y/I/N/O/N/Z) [default0N]  ?
[03:47] <ogra> pips1, there was the same bug in a dapper prerelease ... should be in malone ...
[03:47] <pips1> ogra: oki
[03:47] <pips1> any tip what i should choose? :)
[03:47] <pips1> default?
[03:47] <ogra> Y :)
[03:47] <ogra> unless you touched that file manually and knew what you did
[03:49] <pips1> no, I don't remember thouching that at all.
[03:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61880 in gdb (main) "gdb crash" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61880
[03:50] <dholbach> hmmmm, more gdb crashes
[03:52] <dholbach> dup of bug 56391
[03:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56391 in gdb "on edgy gdb crashes on xchat-gnome or gaim (by example)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/56391
[03:53] <chesty> bug 37115 remote watch points to a rejected gnome bug, how do I update the gnome bug number?
[03:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37115 in rhythmbox "rhythmbox can't add a file with '&' to a playlist" [Unknown,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/37115
[03:54] <dholbach> chesty: on the right side there's a    gnome bug <number> (edit)
[03:54] <dholbach> if you click that 'edit'
[03:54] <dholbach> that should take you there
[03:57] <chesty> dholbach: thank you
[03:57] <chesty> oh, it's already been closed in ubuntu, oh well
[04:00] <pips1> ogra: I can't find any bug related to my dist-upgrade login-defs question... what keyword could I try to find the bug report you mentioned?
[04:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61881 in ubiquity (main) "Installer crashed" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61881
[04:02] <ogra> pips1, sorry o idea, i just remember hearing the same question several times during dapper ... did you search on closed bugs ? i'm sure if it existed it was fixed before release
[04:04] <pips1> right, I'll see what I can do
[04:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61882 in amsn (universe) "final being released. So please include amsn 0.96RC1 in Edgy." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61882
[04:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61883 in xkeyboard-config (main) "abnt2 layout broken when using evdev driver." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61883
[04:21] <dholbach> 1009
[04:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61886 in ubiquity (main) "i dont' know, too i dont' know english very well, so" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61886
[04:25] <crimsun> nice.
[04:28] <dholbach> Yeah. :-)
[04:29] <dholbach> New bug: #61886 in Ubuntu "doo bee doo-bee-dooo" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61887
[04:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61887 in evolution "Remember this password doesn't" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]
[04:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61887 in evolution (main) "Remember this password doesn't" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61887
[04:44] <pips1> ogra: choosing the default "keep your currently-installed version" of /etc/login.defs doesn't seem to have been a good idea, since now the sudo password doesn't work anymore :-/
[04:44] <ogra> thats why i said use Y :)
[04:44] <pips1> oohhhh
[04:44] <pips1> I thougy that was a "Yes" to my questoin
[04:45] <pips1> darn
[04:45] <pips1> misunderstanding
[04:45] <pips1> 8-{
[04:46] <pips1> ogra, should I bother to test the dist-upgrade now that it's buggered? I could just move on to test the installer cd instead.. what do you suggest?
[04:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61888 in nautilus-cd-burner (main) "Long time to burn window appears" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61888
[04:48] <ogra> pips1, apt-get install --reinstall login (and choose Y this time)
[04:48] <pips1> oki
[04:49] <pips1> wb jsgotangco
[04:52] <pips1> failed to start x server. hangs. ack
[04:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61892 in python-central (main) "TypeError exception during dist-upgrade from dapper to edgy" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61892
[05:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61893 in ubiquity (main) "Xubuntu install crashed" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61893
[05:07] <dholbach> hey lakin
[05:08] <lakin> hiya dholbach
[05:08] <dholbach> how's it going?
[05:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61894 in ubiquity (main) "Installation Fails - VMWare machine" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61894
[05:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61895 in flashplugin-nonfree (multiverse) "Error with latest updated flashplugin-nonfree" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61895
[05:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61896 in flashplugin-nonfree (multiverse) "post-installation script fails" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61896
[05:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61897 in update-manager (main) "Edgy-Eft to Edgy 6.10 - Could not install gdm and gnome-panel-data" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61897
[05:20] <dholbach> waaaaah kernel panic
[05:32] <slomo> dholbach: nothing new for me... i had many in the last days, caused by xfs ;)
[05:37] <dholbach> :-/
[05:38] <slomo> dholbach: i hope i'll finally find some time for telepathy next week... i hate having no time for stuff i want to do :(
[05:38] <dholbach> I'll try to do some bits on the WE
[05:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61899 in gtk+2.0 (main) "[edgy]  File Chooser displays .directory files regardless of hidden files preferences" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61899
[05:42] <Nafallo> oh
[05:42] <Nafallo> me to on that last bug :-P
[05:42] <dholbach> Nafallo: you're always complaining :)
[05:43] <Nafallo> hehe
[05:44] <dholbach> and I'm sure I saw a dup of that already
[05:44] <Nafallo> I didn't even think about it before I saw the bug :-)
[05:45] <slomo> Nafallo: fix it ;)
[05:46] <slomo> Nafallo: what happened to mplayer btw? broken everywhere because of assembler stuff that gcc doesn't like anymore? :(
[05:46] <dholbach> of course ".directory" = "directory" in malone search
[05:46] <Nafallo> slomo: only broken on amd64, built fine everywhere else.
[05:46] <Nafallo> dholbach: file a bug :-)
[05:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61898 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "Kernel Panic - agp_amd64_init" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61898
[05:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61900 in Ubuntu "Please include biloba" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61900
[05:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61901 in apport (main) "Booted without usplash quite, but with debug instead." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61901
[05:47] <Nafallo> slomo: I have hardware on the way over, so I might be able to debug it next week or so :-P
[05:47] <slomo> Nafallo: oh... i didn't notice that i already upgraded to the new version... good work :) already talked to doko about amd64?
[05:47] <dholbach> bug 14678
[05:47] <Nafallo> slomo: nope, want to make a testbuild somewhere first.
[05:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 14678 in gnome-pilot-conduits "Evolution, EAddress-conduit extra newline breaks PalmOS" [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/14678
[05:47] <Nafallo> dholbach: yay! :-)
[05:48] <slomo> Nafallo: you already have one on the buildds ;)
[05:48] <ivoks> dholbach: it's fixed in hoary? :)
[05:48] <dholbach> ivoks: no :)
[05:48] <ivoks> dholbach: so, you are just chasing your karma? :)
[05:48] <Nafallo> slomo: Keybuk wouldn't kick it for me. I can ping Mithrandir and ask for a build/ssh-access ;-)
[05:48] <ivoks> :)
[05:48] <dholbach> ivoks: there's enough to do without looking at karma :)
[05:49] <slomo> Nafallo: but you already have a build log that failed... what else do you want? ;)
[05:50] <Nafallo> slomo: be able to reproduce it and test-build fixes. I don't know assembler, so will do this step-by-step :-)
[05:50] <elmargol> dholbach: do you know an alsa guru? Maybe someone who speaks german?
[05:51] <dholbach> crimsun? :)
[05:51] <dholbach> dunno how good his german is, though
[05:51] <Nafallo> does he speak german? ;-)
[05:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61902 in abiword (main) "plugin installation incomprehensible" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61902
[05:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61903 in dhcp3 (main) "dhcp3 fails to start during boot-time but starts seamlessly invoking the init-script manually " [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61903
[05:51] <slomo> Nafallo: good luck then ;) the build failure looked really weird... and amd64 assembler is probably not beautiful
[05:51] <Nafallo> slomo: indeed :-P
[05:51] <elmargol> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-de/2006-September/006181.html <- thats my problem
[05:51] <Nafallo> slomo: I just hope it's the buildd at fault ;-)
[05:52] <slomo> Nafallo: it's probably gcc bug or feature because it built fine before
[05:52] <Nafallo> indeed.
[05:52] <slomo> Nafallo: and in that case doko will most probably know something about it ;)
[05:53] <Nafallo> yea, will see what Tollef have to say :-)
[05:58] <dholbach> we need a "bug was closed" bot too
[05:58] <Nafallo> dholbach: :-P
[05:58] <dholbach> have NEW bugs in RED, CLOSED bugs in GREEN
[05:58] <Nafallo> use the same etc? ;_)
[05:58] <Nafallo> ;-)
[05:58] <Nafallo> dups in blue? :-)
[05:59] <geser> elmargol: see http://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards (the first topic)
[06:04] <elmargol> geser: sorry I don't get it this is too complicated for me, and the debian example doesn't apply to ubuntu :(
[06:08] <geser> elmargol: you only need "option module_name index=0" for the first card and index=1 for the second to add to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[06:10] <elmargol> hmm "# Prevent abnormal drivers from grabbing index 0"
[06:10] <geser> see also http://www.linuxforen.de/forums/showthread.php?s=7aea4a49981bb970402dc1a30af67807&t=215591&page=2 post #20
[06:12] <geser> add a similiar line for your sound modules and set the index in the desired order
[06:12] <Nafallo> hmm
[06:12] <Nafallo> dist-upgrader wants to remove xchat.
[06:13] <Nafallo> that's a bug, right? :-P
[06:13] <elmargol> "Der Server ist zurzeit ausgelastet. Bitte versuchen Sie es spter wieder."
[06:14] <Nafallo> that's outlandisch
[06:14] <Nafallo> :-P
[06:14] <kristog> whoa :)i understand !
[06:15] <Nafallo> s/read/studied/
[06:15] <elmargol> kristog: interesting to see an italian here.
[06:20] <elmargol> geser: thx for your help i think "options snd-intel8x0 index=-2" fixed my problem
[06:20] <kristog> interesting to see an italian with german name :) trentino
[06:20] <kristog> Nafallo: ;)
[06:21] <Nafallo> hihi
[06:21] <elmargol> kristog: no alto adige. Did you read about the www.sfscon.it ?
[06:23] <kristog> elmargol: ahahah. national *pride*
[06:24] <kristog> elmargol: btw, i'm half .ch ;)
[06:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61904 in qalculate-gtk (universe) "[Sync Request]  qalculate-gtk 0.9.4-2 from Debian unstable (main)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61904
[06:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61905 in pitivi (universe) "[edgy]  PiTiVi won't start (X Window System Error)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61905
[06:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61906 in dbconfig-common (universe) "[Sync Request]  dbconfig-common 1.8.23 from Debian unstable (main)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61906
[06:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61907 in vlc (universe) "vlc crashes with -I Telnet" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61907
[07:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61911 in linux-meta (main) "Kernel upgrades in edgy trash kernel boot options for system with root partition running on top of LVM" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61911
[07:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61912 in ubiquity (main) "Installer Crashed" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61912
[07:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61913 in Ubuntu "changelogs not available" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61913
[07:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61914 in texlive-lang (universe) "texlive-lang-polish fails to install if MATLAB/octave-forge present" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61914
[07:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61916 in logcheck (main) "ignore.d.server/postfix: Broken regex rule (patch)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61916
[07:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61917 in links2 (universe) "[Sync Request]  links2 2.1pre23-1 from Debian unstable (main)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61917
[08:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61918 in tsclient (main) "Return should launch Connect button" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61918
[08:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61919 in gnome-applets (main) "sticky notes should stay when user clicks on desktop" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61919
[08:10] <dholbach> good night everybody - have a great WE!
[08:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61920 in hal (main) "HAL - prefer pmi over powersave for hibernate" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61920
[08:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61921 in ihu (universe) "[Edgy]  Rebuild for libgmpxx3 -> libgmpxx4 soname change" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61921
[08:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61922 in epiphany-browser (main) "[edgy]  javascript weirdness in epiphany" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61922
[08:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61405 in Ubuntu "acpid: sleep and suspend no longer work in Edgy" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61405
[08:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61501 in Ubuntu "Internet" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61501
[08:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61923 in etpan-ng (universe) "[Sync Request]  etpan-ng 0.7.1-3 from Debian unstable (main)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61923
[08:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61765 in Ubuntu "USB Storage Device Permissions Ownership Issue" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61765
[08:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61924 in Ubuntu "On resuming from hibernation, I can't launch any apps" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61924
[08:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61925 in mplayer (multiverse) "doesn't remove obsolete /etc/mplayer/codecs.conf" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61925
[09:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61926 in openoffice.org (main) "[edgy]  Impress crashes when deleting last bullet item" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61926
[09:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61927 in xscreensaver (main) "Crash in GL snake" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61927
[09:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61928 in scanerrlog (universe) "[Merge]  scanerrlog 2.01-3.1ubuntu1" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61928
[09:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61929 in gnome-screensaver (main) "gnome-screensaver fading to black screen rather than saver" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61929
[10:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61930 in kopete (main) "Freeze when clicking a URL." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61930
[10:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61931 in apt (main) "Message is erroneous on error." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61931
[10:37] <crimsun> elmargol: sorry, what was the problem?
[11:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61932 in adept (main) "Adept hangs when installing "flashplugin-nonfree"" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61932
[11:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61934 in Ubuntu "flashplugin-nonfree install produces errors" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61934
[11:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61933 in muine (universe) "muine crash" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61933
[11:13] <crimsun> well if nothing else, at least my triaging karma is increasing for rejecting all these duplicates of 61404
[11:14] <sfllaw> crimsun: Hurray.
[11:14] <sfllaw> :)
[11:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61936 in rhythmbox (main) "crash after drag and drop of songs to the rhythmbox window in edgy" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61936
[11:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61935 in openoffice.org (main) "Not save file .doc" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61935
[11:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61937 in Ubuntu "Kubuntu Dapper Drake freezes" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61937
[11:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61938 in apport (main) "Apport doesn't parse SIGABRT" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61938
[11:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61939 in mailman (main) "Mistakes in mailman strings" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61939
[11:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61940 in openh323 (universe) "[Edgy]  Don't include linux/compiler.h in header files" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61940
[11:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61942 in pstngw (universe) "[Merge]  pstngw 1.3.1-7ubuntu1" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61942
[11:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61941 in flashplugin-nonfree (multiverse) "the latest dapper backport flashplugin-nonfree_7.0.68~ubuntu1~dapper1 does not install" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61941
[11:51] <crimsun> stabstab
[11:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61945 in cohoba (universe) "A programming error has been detected" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61945
[11:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61943 in acroread (multiverse) "adobe reader won't start" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61943
[11:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61944 in rhythmbox (main) "rhythmbox segfault in gdk_window_set_transient_for" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61944
[12:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61946 in kdebase (main) "umount progress dialog missing in Edgy" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61946


 I am planning to install kubuntu just cause widows aint running properly. I have a question. Is there something like app store in kubuntu from where I could download required apps like slack chrome telegram etc??
[03:45] <valorie> @UsernameLoading of course
[03:45] <valorie> it's called Discover
[03:57] <valorie> ?
[11:38] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 Hi BluesKaj!
[11:53] <BluesKaj> @linuxophil, hi
 I am so happy using Kubuntu 20.04.
 Just thought I would let the gold people oft Kubuntu know!
[11:55] <BluesKaj> :-)
[12:15] <syenet> hi
[15:49] <user|39494> What is the system requirement to install Kubuntu?
[15:51] <BluesKaj> !specs
[15:52] <user|39494> Thanks
[15:53] <BluesKaj> @user|39494, kubuntu requirements are a bit higher than gnome iirc
[16:03] <dell-2> hi
 (Photo, 1280x719) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/UntWYUkY/file_38481.jpg
 any fix?
[17:24] <Wenz> Hello
[17:25] <Wenz> Is there any guidelines on how to draw icons for Plasma desktop ? The ones 5.18 have is great.
 Which one to install  … Ubuntu or kubuntu
 What exactly do you need to build for plasma 5.20?
 @Opal6, Qt 5.15 (20+ source packages), Frameworks 5.74 (80+ source packages), Plasma 5.20 (40+ source packages)
[20:00] <martin__> Anyone watching the election tonight?


[07:33] <dholbach> good morning
[08:11] <elacheche> Morning!
[08:16] <Kilos> hi guys and gals
[12:54] <tsimonq2> o/ dholbach, elacheche, and Kilos
[12:58] <elacheche> Hey tsimonq2 :)
[12:58] <Kilos> hi tsimonq2
[12:58] <tsimonq2> pleia2: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-us-wisconsin/msg00091.html :)
[12:58] <tsimonq2> oh MAI GAWD
[12:59] <tsimonq2> stahp crashing Firefox
[12:59] <tsimonq2> this is INSANE
[13:00] <dholbach> ... maybe check if it also crashes with plugins turned off?
[13:02] <tsimonq2> well it worked fine last night! :P
[13:02] <tsimonq2> but I will try
[13:04] <tsimonq2> nope...nothing
[13:04] <tsimonq2> I submitted crash reports
[13:05] <tsimonq2> so can anyone recommend a really lightweight browser I can use in the meantime and that is in the Ubuntu repos?
[13:08] <tsimonq2> oh I figured it out
[13:08] <tsimonq2> it's Hangouts
[13:08] <tsimonq2> I have hangouts.google.com as a pinned tab...
[13:09] <tsimonq2> yeah that's it
[13:09] <tsimonq2> gosh darnit
[13:15] <tsimonq2> well I gotta go to school, o/ all'


[08:59] <salmonix> hi, I need a little help with the configuration in a server-client scenario, where the server is also a desktop station, with 3 clients.
[09:00] <salmonix> I configured the server with auto login for the 'kids' user and I would like to have the clients also log in automatically when turned on.
[09:00] <salmonix> However, the clients boot into a login screen instead.
[09:01] <salmonix> The other problem is that I would like to auto-shut down the clients at T-5 minute, the server at T. Any idea and help is appreciated!


[00:37] <_W_> how do I bzr push with ssh to launchpad from Windows? there's no ~/.ssh, so obviously bazaar doesn't know where to find my private key
[00:39] <wgrant> _W_: That's probably more of a #bzr question.
[00:42] <_W_> yeah nevermind, didn't have pageant running
[00:54] <lifeless> wgrant: its relevant to #launchpad because #launchpad offers bzr hosting :P
[00:58] <wgrant> lifeless: Perhaps. But a more useful response would likely have appeared more rapidly in #bzr.
[00:59] <lifeless> wgrant: my point is that lurkers here that want to help (which you appear to be) should expect to develop some bzr skills
[01:00]  * wgrant unfortunately lacks experience in bzr on Windows.
[01:00] <persia> Why is this unfortunate?
[01:00] <wgrant> Because it would have been useful 20 minutes ago
[01:01] <persia> Ah.  I'd think you were fortunate not to have gained the experience, but I can see how it might help to be able to point to pageant quickly.
[01:01] <lifeless> wgrant: well you have some now, you see :P
[01:01] <wgrant> Yeah, I wasn't sure how SSH support would work on Windows.
[01:01] <wgrant> Yep.
[01:09] <_W_> hehe
[02:20] <Peng> Are you planning to add bzr+http support to bazaar.launchpad.net?
[02:21] <Peng> Statistics would be interesting, like what it did to server load, bandwidth usage, etc.
[02:21] <Peng> Same with when the branch mirroring thingy is upgraded to a version of bzr that auto-detects bzr+http.
[02:23] <owh> How is it possible that a person who creates a launchpad team can add me to that team without my permission or consent?
[02:24] <persia> owh: Because you're a person, and not a team.  You can also remove yourself.
[02:25] <persia> Personally, I find it convenient to say "Please add me to team foo", and have someone do it without further action on my part, although I can see the downside as well.
[02:26] <owh> No, I'm not sure I'm getting my meaning across. This person created a team while I was asleep - literally - and I woke with an email that said that I was now part of that team.
[02:26] <owh> Apart from the breach of trust that this entails, the person is using the team membership as a means to garner credibility and perceived support.
[02:27] <persia> owh: That's an interesting use of a team, and definitely supports only sending invitations to those who are not already proposed members.
[02:28] <owh> So, how did they add me to the team at all?
[02:28] <persia> owh: Team admins have an interface to add people to the team.
[02:28] <Peng> Credibility and support for what? Just a software project?
[02:29] <persia> This currently sends an invitation if the object being added is a team, and just adds if the object being added is a person.
[02:29] <persia> Peng: Not all teams on LP are software teams.  Some of the teams are decidedly odd.
[02:30] <owh> ubuntu-marketing is in a phase of transition. There are some who feel there should be a board with directors, one of those created a team called ubuntu-marketing-core and added two people to the team - I've not spoken to the other person yet - they're still asleep, but I'm fairly sure they will also object to this as we both think there is no need.
[02:31] <owh> So, it "feels" like a political grab for ground.
[02:31] <owh> Rather than discussion that comes to consensus.
[02:31] <persia> owh: Right.  Nothing you can do now except remove yourself, which puts you permanently on the "former members" list.
[02:32] <owh> Hence my question about "How can this happen at all?" It's like I got subscribed to a mailing list without my consent, next thing I know I'll be fixing bugs I know nothing about :)
[02:32]  * persia thought owh did that anyway
[02:32] <owh> Heh, touche :)
[02:33] <persia> No, it's a good thing :)
[02:33] <owh> persia: Of course the difference is that I'm volunteering to fix bugs I know nothing about, rather than being drafted :)
[02:34] <owh> So, is this phenomenon a "bug" or a "feature", or abuse of power?
[02:35] <persia> owh: It's just a previously undocumented use-case.  Probably a bug is the best way to submit for review/consideration.
[02:44] <owh> In my bug report, should I make mention of the team where this occurred, or is that just going to fan the flames?
[02:47]  * owh will err on the side of caution and not make specific references.
[02:57] <owh> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/239909
[03:03] <owh> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/239911
[04:21] <boredandblogging> are LP mailing list requests being approved or is lists.ubuntu.com still the preferred way?
[04:22] <beuno> boredandblogging, for ubuntu-related stuff, I believe lists.ubuntu.com is still prefered
[04:22] <beuno> for everything else, LP
[04:22] <beuno> and hi  :)
[04:23] <boredandblogging> beuno: yeah, thats what I thought too, was trying to find some mailing list post that stated that
[04:24] <beuno> ah, I've just read it on IRC a few times, so I don't have such a think
[04:27] <boredandblogging> beuno: thanks
[04:30] <persia> boredandblogging: Also, both are being approved, but by some of the same people.  l.u.c is generally the right place (as was said).
[04:32] <boredandblogging> persia: got it
[12:01] <Hobbsee> ooh, new icons.
[12:10] <thumper> Hobbsee: where?
[12:11] <Hobbsee> thumper: the ones for adding a new upstream task to a bug.
[12:11]  * Hobbsee hasn't seen them that green before
[12:11] <thumper> :)
[13:15] <wgrant> Hmm, in the new UI, what if I want to add an attachment other than 'Add'?
[13:17] <thumper> wgrant: I'm not sure I know what you mean there
[13:17] <wgrant> Well, the Subscribers portlet has buttons like '(-) Yourself' and '(+) Someone else'
[13:18] <wgrant> So the '(+) Add' in the attachments portlet must mean that I'm adding an 'Add' attachment.
[13:18] <wgrant> Or your UI is inconsistent.
[13:18] <wgrant> I find the latter more likely, unfortunately.
[13:18] <thumper> wgrant: where are you looking?
[13:19] <wgrant> The new bug page layout - it's only on staging at the moment.
[13:19] <thumper> ah
[13:19] <wgrant> https://bugs.staging.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wxmaxima/+bug/43150, for example.
[13:29] <thumper> wgrant: please file a bug
[13:30] <wgrant> thumper: I've got quite a few to file about it, but I might wait until it actually lands on edge so I know it's not some unfinished version.
[13:31] <thumper> wgrant: it won't land on edge until rollout (I think)
[13:31] <thumper> wgrant: I'd say file a bug, or they'll think it is ok
[13:31] <thumper> wgrant: feel free to say "thumper made me do it"
[13:31] <thumper> :)
[13:31] <wgrant> thumper: OK, but I was told yesterday that edge update was off only because of speed regressions.
[13:32] <thumper> wgrant: yes, that is the case
[13:32] <thumper> wgrant: but once we open the database for changes, we no longer release to edge
[13:32] <thumper> wgrant: as we can't due to possible database incompatibilities
[13:32] <thumper> wgrant: and we have hit that mark
[13:32] <wgrant> Right, and that's ~ half-way through the cycle?
[13:33] <wgrant> So I shall file them.
[13:33] <thumper> wgrant: theoretically Friday past, but most likely Monday coming
[13:33]  * thumper goes to sleep now
[13:33] <wgrant> Night.
[13:34] <thumper> night
[19:36] <gianmt> guys why leave on the code page the instructions to push the repository like bzr push lp:~poppler-python/poppler-python/trunk if it doesn't work
[19:36] <gianmt> just update the page saying that bzr+ssh:// should be used instead
[19:53] <Peng> gianmt: Run 'bzr launchpad-login $username'
[20:05] <ddaa> gianmt: file about displaying "bzr launchpad-login $username" on the code page.
[20:05] <ddaa> s/file about/file a bug about/
[20:30] <DanielRM> What's the purpose of the Launchpad IRC channel?
[20:38] <gianmt> ddaa, I will, thanks
[20:39] <gianmt> thanks Peng as well of course :)
[20:39] <ddaa> DanielRM: let users talk about launchpad, and get in touch with developers.
[20:40] <ddaa> In the past the development talk happened here too, but it was moved to a private IRC server.
[20:40] <Peng> DanielRM: Whining when bazaar.launchpad.net is slow. :)
[20:40]  * Peng ducks.
[20:40] <ddaa> Peng: that's a very good use
[20:40] <DanielRM> ddaa: OK. I was just wondering whether you offered any support, in particular support for using Launchpad. :P
[20:40] <ddaa> do not forget complaining when code imports do not work
[20:41] <ddaa> that's one of the support place
[20:41] <ddaa> though last I checked the main support forum was answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[20:41]  * DanielRM groans.
[20:41] <DanielRM> I just can't figure out bug submission.
[20:41] <ddaa> answers.l.n is not for bugs
[20:42] <ddaa> it's for questions, and answers
[20:42] <ddaa> i.e. support or administrivia
[20:43] <rockstar> DanielRM, what's your specific problem?
[20:43] <DanielRM> The miracle of open-source... you can never figure out where you're supposed to be. ;-)
[20:44] <DanielRM> rockstar: I just needed help in submitting a bug after an error in, I suspect, Nautilus. The submission forms always confuse me, though; I never know what's expected of me.
[20:44] <rockstar> What's confusing you?
[20:44] <ddaa> that's a launchpad problem, not an open source problem
[20:44] <DanielRM> ddaa: I know. I'm a strong proponent of open-source really.
[20:44] <rockstar> ddaa, launchpad has no problems.  :)
[20:45] <rockstar> Also, my poo doesn't stink.
[20:46]  * ddaa does not know how to take that
[20:46] <DanielRM> rockstar: figuring out exactly which package from the list offered, for one, or alternatively which project. And then after that I remember quite a few forms which were worded in a way which confused me. :(
[20:46] <ddaa> Maybe I could point out that worked on launchpad for 3.5 years
[20:47] <ddaa> so I am in a very good position to know that it DOES have problems
[20:47] <ddaa> Or maybe I could say something about the smell of my poo.
[20:47] <DanielRM> Can I just ask what the fixation here is with poo?
[20:48] <ddaa> DanielRM: I'm trying to determine that too. Actually I believe that rockstar has anosmia.
[20:49] <ddaa> DanielRM: one technique some people use is "file a bug on some random package or product and wait for people to route the bug to the right place"
[20:49] <ddaa> however it has the unpleasant side effect of generating some ill-will.
[20:50] <ddaa> Another technique is to go on #ubuntu and try to catch the attention of someone who's something intelligent to say.
[20:50] <DanielRM> ddaa: I would ask what grounds you have for believing that, but I don't think I want to know, given that short of the most worrying situations he'd be better positioned to determine the smell of his own faeces.
[20:50] <rockstar> ddaa, I'm on the code team.  :)  Thus, saying that nothing I create has problems.  I was being fececious.  :)
[20:50] <ddaa> DanielRM: occam's razor
[20:51] <ddaa> rockstar: that's funny, I was on this team too. You'r probably the poor soul who's been hired to fill my slot.
[20:51] <rockstar> DanielRM, #ubuntu-bugs is much more helpful than #ubuntu for things like this.
[20:51] <DanielRM> Hmmm.
[20:51] <DanielRM> OK, to #ubuntu-bugs it is, then.
[20:51] <DanielRM> Thanks. :)
[23:24] <siretart> hm. no idea how I did it, but I'm now logged in as bigjools on https://dogfood.launchpad.net/.. hmmm
[23:25] <bigjools> siretart: thanks for letting me know, I've seen it happen myself too (logged in as others that is)
[23:29] <sistpoty> hi...
[23:29] <siretart> bigjools: does this happen on edge as well?
[23:29] <sistpoty> hm... trying to look at bug #230350 gets me regular timeouts... any idea?
[23:30] <bigjools> siretart: I really, really hope not.  I shut dogfood down for now anyway
[23:31] <sistpoty> (I'm using stable btw)
[23:33] <bigjools> try edge
[23:33] <bdodson> Can anyone help me with this?:  bzr: ERROR: Generic bzr smart protocol error: Permission denied: "Ben Dodson cannot create branches owned by Ben Dodson"
[23:46] <lifeless> eep
[23:46] <lifeless> thats interesting
[23:46] <lifeless> mwhudson_: ^ if you are around, or jml: ^
[23:47] <lifeless> bdodson: can you start by filing a question on launchpad-bazaar - https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar
[23:47] <mwhudson_> i am here but haven't had breakfast yet
[23:47] <mwhudson_> :)
[23:48] <lifeless> mwhudson_: I'm two hours retarded, whats your excuse
[23:48] <mwhudson_> lifeless: weekend?
[23:48] <lifeless> mmm, fair enough
[23:48] <lifeless> :)
[23:50] <cprov> siretart: can you reproduce the problem in dogfood now ?
[23:53] <siretart> cprov: it seems I have been 'logged out' now.. however since I don't know how I triggered that, I cannot comment if I can reproduce it or not
[23:54] <cprov> siretart: okay
[23:59] <bdodson> sure
[23:59] <bdodson> thanks


[00:25] <robert_ancell> thomi, this patch seems to fix it for me: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1039976/.  Not sure if I'm missing anything there, seems to be simple
[00:25] <robert_ancell> to be too simple
[00:25] <thomi> hahaaaa!
[00:26] <thomi> So what do we do now?
[00:27] <robert_ancell> thomi, open an upstream bug and see what they say, patch the ubuntu package if they take too long and we think it's a good patch
[00:27] <thomi> cool.
[00:43] <robert_ancell> thomi, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=678059
[00:43] <ubot2> Gnome bug 678059 in general "memory leak in pango_layout_get_extents" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[00:53] <thomi> robert_ancell: wonderful, thanks. I'll keep ane ye on it
[01:09] <robert_ancell> thomi, does this effect precise?
[01:11] <thomi> robert_ancell: yes
[01:12] <robert_ancell> thomi, are you familiar with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates?
[01:13] <thomi> robert_ancell: uhhh, I am now
[01:15] <thomi> robert_ancell: I guess that gets done by whoever manages the pango packages for us?
[01:16] <robert_ancell> thomi, well, for it to qualify as an SRU we need to know how severe the problem is, can you describe how much of a problem it is in precise?  i.e. is it just a few k here and there or does it bring unity to a halt over time
[01:16] <robert_ancell> I can do the rest
[01:18] <robert_ancell> brb
[01:21] <thomi> robert_ancell: that's hard to say with certainly. I don't think anyone has reported that unity dies because of this leak, but it certainly shows up in our valgrind logs a lot. By my estimate, at least 20% of all the leaks reported by valgrind  are this pango issue
[01:21] <robert_ancell> thomi, so is it worth backporting?
[01:21] <thomi> I think so. We should probably see what thumper thinks
[01:26] <robert_ancell> oh, he's gone offline
[01:27] <robert_ancell> ok, well prod him some and he can get back to me if he thinks it is worth it
[01:27] <robert_ancell> it's in quantal now
[01:27] <robert_ancell> and upstream accepted the patch
[01:30] <thomi> robert_ancell: awesome, thanks. He should be abck online soon, I'll ask him
[01:46] <RAOF> robert_ancell: You're the proud owner of a radeon card in your devel rig, right?
[01:51] <thumper> robert_ancell: have you fixed that bug already?
[02:06] <thomi> thomas
[02:06] <thomi> oops, entirely the wrong window
[03:58] <robert_ancell> RAOF, nah, I got rid of that machine
[03:58] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Ah, so you're an intel man now? Superb.
[03:58] <RAOF> Or, indeed nouveau. Both of those have less crackful xwayland patches ;)
[03:59] <robert_ancell> RAOF, so we can be blissfully unaware of problems?
[03:59] <RAOF> No, so I can unblock you without rewriting the radeon patch first.
[03:59] <robert_ancell> cool
[06:03] <didrocks> good morning
[06:08] <micahg> hi didrocks, just the person I need :)
[06:09] <micahg> didrocks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1040330/
[06:09] <micahg> that's in natty
[06:13] <didrocks> micahg: hey, this is the package sil2100 gave to you?
[06:13] <micahg> didrocks:  yep
[06:14] <didrocks> hum, let's see with him, when he's around
[06:14] <didrocks> micahg: I'm not even sure what was used
[06:14] <didrocks> micahg: has this been uploaded?
[06:14] <micahg> didrocks: it built fine on oneiric and precise
[06:14] <didrocks> well, the branches are different ;)
[06:15] <micahg> didrocks: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sil2100/unity-2d/natty-security/revision/549
[06:15] <didrocks> micahg: thanks, I'll check with him
[08:16] <seb128> hey
[08:18] <didrocks> salut seb128 :)
[08:18] <seb128> didrocks, lut, en forme ?
[08:18] <didrocks> seb128: ça va bien, et toi? :)
[08:18] <seb128> nickel ;-)
[08:23] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[08:23]  * pitti waves to the desk-TOP!-ers
[08:23] <seb128> pitti, hey, wie gehts?
[08:23] <pitti> gut, danke!
[08:24] <seb128> pitti, how is QA doing? ;-)
[08:24] <pitti> was a bit tired this morning, went to bed late
[08:24] <pitti> but the game was great to watch
[08:24] <seb128> pitti, 2 wins in 2 games, not bad ;-)
[08:24] <pitti> seb128: fairly well indeed! I'm posting my progress to G+ (QA team policy), if you are intested
[08:24] <pitti> seb128: I just finished my remaining "desktop backlog" work items, ported more stuff to python3 (language-selector, ubuntu-drivers-common, etc.)
[08:25] <pitti> great to see aptdaemon-py3 in quantal now
[08:25] <seb128> great
[08:25] <pitti> seb128: so I concentrate on the autopkgtests now
[08:25] <pitti> I worked on udisks2's test suite upstream, and now want to make it succeed in jenkins
[08:25] <pitti> it already uncovered two real and nontrivial bugs, so it's so worth having
[08:25] <pitti> once udisks is covered, I go "up" to gvfs
[08:25] <pitti> that's my current plan, anyway
[08:26] <pitti> seb128: yeah, Gomez is on fire :)
[08:26] <seb128> cool, I'm looking forward that ;-)
[08:27] <Sweetshark> moin!
[08:27] <seb128> hey Sweetshark
[08:27] <didrocks> hey pitti ;)
[08:27] <seb128> pitti, jenkins says that udisk2 testing is red? first step set it up, next step make it work...? ;-)
[08:27] <Sweetshark> seb128, didrocks, pitti: heya
[08:28] <didrocks> good morning Sweetshark
[08:32] <pitti> seb128: right; need to find out why "modprobe scsi_debug" fails in that VM
[08:32] <pitti> seb128: same problem as in the old udisks 1 adt
[08:32] <seb128> oh, ok
[08:32] <pitti> it says "memory error", but that has 4 GB of RAM
[09:02] <glatzor> mvo, mpt hello michael, is there an easy way to get a package -> application from software-center?
[09:03] <seb128> hey glatzor, how are you?
[09:03] <glatzor> mvo, mpt would like to merge error notification dialogs ("your cache is broken") and resolution confirmation dialog ("do you want to remove the following packages to repair your cache?") into a single dialog
[09:04] <glatzor> seb128, hello, I am fine! and yourself?
[09:04] <seb128> glatzor, I'm good thanks
[09:04] <mvo> glatzor: yes, you can use something like db=softwarecenter.db.database.StoreDatabase(); db.get_apps_for_pkgname("foo") and that will give you a bunch of docids that you can then use to get the real application object
[09:05] <seb128> glatzor, thanks for the aptdaemon SRU, could you make the bugs SRU compliant though (impact, test case, regression potential), the SRU team will not review it until that's done, they started being strict on that because we had too many SRUs not testable or tested without those infos and they were never moving to -updates
[09:07] <chrisccoulson> good morning desktop team
[09:08] <seb128> chrisccoulson, good morning firefox team ;-)
[09:08] <chrisccoulson> lol
[09:08] <seb128> chrisccoulson, how are you today?
[09:09] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, not too bad thanks. how are you?
[09:09] <seb128> chrisccoulson, a bit tired but good otherwise
[09:09] <seb128> looking forward the end of week :p
[09:09] <glatzor> mvo, so a possible way could be to add an optional argument to AptErrorDialog. I would like to avoid a software-center dependency on python3-gtk3widgets :)
[09:09] <mvo> glatzor: I'm adding testcases now if you could double check them once I'm done, that would be awsome
[09:09] <mvo> glatzor: haha, understandable
[09:09] <glatzor> mvo, if the package_app_mapper is specified the error dialog will show applications instead of packages
[09:10] <mvo> glatzor: sounds good
[09:10] <mvo> glatzor: building r840 gives me test failures, that is known, right?
[09:11] <glatzor> mvo, aptdaemon is now aware of the internet connection (a side effect of the pkcompat) so I could improve the download failed dialogs on the daemon side
[09:12] <glatzor> mvo, 845 is the way to go
[09:12] <glatzor> mvo,  the test suite is now in a good shape.
[09:13] <mvo> glatzor: aha, so I was just outdated
[09:13] <glatzor> mvo, funnily packagekit will in the futrure support parallel transactions. I think about enabling this already now in pkcompat :)
[09:16] <mvo> glatzor: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1040491/ is what I get from r845 in bzr-buildpackage
[09:20] <mvo> glatzor: I added testcases to the bugs in the SRU now, please double check if you have time
[09:25] <mvo> glatzor: aha, that seems to be something in quantal, looking at this now
[09:25] <mvo> glatzor: nothing releated to your code :)
[09:26] <mvo> glatzor: so are we good to upload? I will update the changelog (if you are not on it already)
[09:29] <glatzor> mvo, should I invite ubuntu-core-dev to aptdaemon-developers?
[09:29] <mvo> glatzor: sounds good
[09:29] <mvo> glatzor: I will also fix the lintian*tags* rename in the .install file
[09:36] <mvo> glatzor: ubuntu-quantal branch is updated, so I can upload whenever you want
[09:41] <mvo> glatzor: one file overwrite issue in fake-polkit.py, so python3-aptdaemon.test and python-aptdaemon.test can not be installed at the same time, should that go to aptdaemon instead?
[09:47] <glatzor> mvo, sorry I am away for some time. see you then
[09:47] <mvo> glatzor: so I fix it in whatever way I see fit? or shall I wait ;) ?
[10:03] <didrocks> waow, crash inside the intel driver
[10:04] <seb128> go intel ;-)
[10:05] <didrocks> seb128: it's all because of you! I took intel because you never had issues with it :)
[10:05] <seb128> I still don't have issues! ;-)
[10:05] <didrocks> and one small crash to completely changed my mind, of course :p
[10:27] <glatzor> hello mvo
[10:27] <glatzor> mvo, I am on the train now so the connection could be a little bit flanky
[10:27] <glatzor> mvo, I updated ubuntu-quantal since we can now drop the test_suite_fixes
[10:28] <mvo> glatzor: aha, ok
[10:28] <mvo> glatzor: I updated it as well :)
[10:28] <mvo> glatzor: so the delay from 0.5s -> 2.5s  is no longer needed?
[10:29] <mvo> glatzor: I don't see a (new) commit in ubuntu-quantal, did you push this yet?
[10:30] <glatzor> mvo, it is still required. But I changed it in upstream
[10:31] <mvo> glatzor: ok
[10:31] <mvo> glatzor: thanks, I updated the quantal branch to point to r846 now
[10:39] <Sweetshark> seb128: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2012-June/001310.html heh, Ubuntu/Canonical will just grow itself some mor people comfortable to review LibreOffice commits ;->
[10:39] <seb128> Sweetshark, lol
[10:39] <seb128> good luck to them ;-)
[10:40] <Sweetshark> riight
[10:42] <glatzor> mvo, I haven't tried the simulate test on a build daemon. so this issue could still exist. but perhaps it was just a side effect of another patch
[10:42] <glatzor> test
[10:46] <mvo> glatzor: oh, good to know, lets see
[10:46] <mvo> glatzor: I can alway add it back if it ftbfs
[10:50] <glatzor> mvo, mpt, so what do you think about a aptdaemon.gtk3widgets.SmartErrorDialog ?
[10:50] <glatzor> thanks mvo
[10:53] <glatzor> mvo, I would like to make this re-usable by sessioninstaller and update-manager
[10:57] <glatzor> mvo see you
[11:01] <chrisccoulson> oh, that gnome-settings-daemon crash is i386 only?
[11:01] <chrisccoulson> fun ;)
[11:02] <seb128> chrisccoulson, is it?
[11:03] <seb128> i386 users are nice people, why so much hate :p
[11:03] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, it looks like it
[11:03] <seb128> indeed
[11:06] <chrisccoulson> ok, i'll ask for someone to get a valgrind log whilst i set up a more appropriate environment
[11:06] <chrisccoulson> just in case something tramples over the GOT :)
[11:09] <seb128> chrisccoulson, GOT?
[11:09] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you can grab mterry when he gets online, he was complaining about how annoying the issue is the other day
[11:09] <seb128> chrisccoulson, he can probably get you a valgrind ;-)
[11:09] <chrisccoulson> seb128, the global offset table. the GOT entry will either have a pointer back to the plt (to call in to the linker), or a pointer to the real function
[11:10] <chrisccoulson> but if that gets overwritten, then it will go quite wrong :)
[11:10] <seb128> oh ok
[11:21] <chrisccoulson> seb128, also, rebuilding gnome-settings-daemon with LDFLAGS=-Wl,-z,relro,-z,now would expose if the issue is memory corruption
[11:22] <chrisccoulson> as that would make it crash where the error occurs :)
[11:36] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: FYI, I juts got bug #196058, had to edit the file manually to get it back to not fullscreen
[11:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 196058 in thunderbird "Thunderbird starts in a full-screen mode and cannot be restored" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196058
[11:39] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, oh, fun ;)
[11:39] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: I wouldn't use that term TBH ;)
[11:40] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, no, i meant it is fun for me ;)
[11:40] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: you have weird ways of enjoying bugs ;)
[11:43] <seb128> didrocks, heh, he was on my g-s-d plt "fun" first, keep your party for later ;-)
[11:44] <didrocks> seb128: I don't care, I edited the file and it's fine for me. Seems the issue isn't new though (from 2008)
[11:44] <seb128> k ;-)
[12:19] <chrisccoulson> DENIED!
[12:19] <chrisccoulson> "PPA exceeded its size limit (4452.00 of 4096.00 MiB)"
[12:21] <chrisccoulson> oh, fantastic! no crash on i386 for me here ;)
[12:21] <chrisccoulson> i guess mterry will need to feed me information :)
[13:18] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you got a mterry!
[13:19] <seb128> mterry, hey ;-) how are you ?
[13:19] <chrisccoulson> hi mterry!
[13:19] <mterry> uh oh
[13:19] <seb128> mterry, too late to pretend not being here :p
[13:20] <seb128> lol
[13:20] <mterry> What's up?
[13:20] <seb128> mterry, chrisccoulson is looked at the plt g-s-d issue
[13:20] <seb128> mterry, he needs debug infos from you
[13:20] <seb128> mterry, since you get the issue
[13:20] <mterry> seb128, ah yeah, I saw his comment go by.  chrisccoulson, you want valgrind output?
[13:21] <chrisccoulson> mterry, yes please :)
[13:21] <chrisccoulson> i can't seem to recreate it here
[13:46] <seb128> mterry, are you on the valgrind thing or should I give it a try (I can but I don't want to dup work if you started)
[13:46] <mterry> chrisccoulson, really? interesting.  I uploaded a valgrind
[13:46] <mterry> seb128, sorry, I got delayed, but it's there now
[13:47] <seb128> mterry, np, you are on i386 right?
[13:47] <mterry> seb128, yup
[13:47] <mterry> i386 4 eva
[13:48] <seb128> ;-)
[13:48] <seb128> ==26228== Invalid read of size 4
[13:48] <seb128> ==26228==    at 0x1027EF00: ??? (in /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon-3.0/libmouse.so)
[13:48] <seb128> ==26228==    by 0x10281EC4: gsd_mouse_manager_idle_cb (gsd-mouse-manager.c:1124)
[13:48] <seb128> tadada
[13:49] <seb128> I wonder why the first frame lacks symbols when the second one has the infos
[14:00] <desrt> wow.  as if you need more than 3 lines in order to know exactly what the problem is there
[14:01] <mterry> seb128, because the first frame is the plt magic.  probably doesn't correspond to a given line
[14:01] <seb128> mterry, could be yes
[14:02] <seb128> desrt, the log is longer than that, I didn't want to flood the channel ;-) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/1007588/+attachment/3189382/+files/valgrind.log
[14:02] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1007588 in gnome-settings-daemon "[mouse]: gnome-settings-daemon SIGSEGV in gdk_device_manager_list_devices@plt()" [High,Confirmed]
[14:02] <desrt> seb128: i wasn't being sarcastic. totally classic class of problem
[14:02] <desrt> and it always has exactly one of two solutions
[14:03] <desrt> the problem is that someone dispatches an idle then destroys the object before the idle has a chance to run
[14:03] <desrt> the solutions:
[14:03] <desrt> 1) have the idle itself hold a ref on the object and free it from the handler function
[14:03] <desrt> 2) when scheduling the idle, save the source ID number and cancel it from the finalize of the object, if pending
[14:04] <seb128> desrt, weird think is that this issue just happens on i386 when building with gcc 4.7
[14:04] <seb128> desrt, precise with gcc 4.6 with the same gtk and g-s-d has no bug
[14:04] <desrt> seb128: it's probably an issue on the other platforms too, but you 'get lucky'
[14:04] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ^
[14:04] <desrt> these kinds of errors are so common all over GNOME that i'd hesitate quite a lot to finger gcc
[14:06] <seb128> desrt, well, we got 0 of those issues in precise, the code didn't change and we get a lot of this in quantal after a rebuild, and people said that rebuilding on gcc 4.6 "fixes" it
[14:06] <chrisccoulson> mterry, seb128, thanks. will look in a few moments
[14:06] <seb128> but yeah, maybe for some reason we get "lucky" and the code generated by gcc 4.6 is on the right side of the race :p
[14:07] <desrt> huh
[14:07] <desrt> http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/commit/?id=e98c9079eec9cd9f6f27dd7813d96d6ba536e6c2
[14:07] <desrt> ^ should have fixed that bug
[14:08] <mterry> desrt, I don't think this is a classic idle callback bug.  It's dying in the plt code for handling shared libraries
[14:08] <desrt> ya...
[14:08] <desrt> i'm starting to agree
[14:08] <desrt> now that i see that the bug got fixed over a year ago
[14:08] <desrt> it used to be a classic idle bug ;)
[14:09] <seb128> ;-)
[14:11] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i don't think it's that either
[14:11] <chrisccoulson> although, i was hoping to see an invalid write in the valgrind log
[14:11] <chrisccoulson> damn ;)
[14:12] <chrisccoulson> mterry, this is easy for you to reproduce?
[14:13] <desrt> one more possibility
[14:13] <desrt> this is a plugin, right?
[14:14] <desrt> is it possible that the plugin is unloaded when the idle fires?
[14:14]  * desrt takes that back because of the proper cancelling...
[14:16] <mterry> chrisccoulson, every time
[14:17] <chrisccoulson> mterry, and the trigger is changing your monitor resolution?
[14:18] <mterry> chrisccoulson, no, the trigger is just doing nothing.  The bug has some misleading data about monitors, but it has nothing to do with that
[14:18] <mterry> chrisccoulson, if I just wait a few seconds, it will crash
[14:18] <chrisccoulson> mterry, oh, that makes more sense
[14:18] <chrisccoulson> thanks!
[14:18] <mterry> I've been living unthemed for a while.  :(
[14:18] <chrisccoulson> ok, i'll try again in a second
[14:19]  * desrt thinks chrisccoulson and mterry get to spend the next 3 days performing the fun task of reducing this crash to an irrefutable testcase to present to doko
[14:20] <desrt> (or finding the real bug on the way...)
[14:20] <chrisccoulson> heh
[14:20]  * chrisccoulson fires up kvm again
[14:51] <chrisccoulson> mterry, it still isn't crashing here. could you make it crash again in gdb please, and show me the output of "info registers"? :)
[14:51] <mterry> chrisccoulson, yup!
[14:53] <mterry> chrisccoulson, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1040903/
[14:53] <chrisccoulson> mterry, thanks
[14:56] <chrisccoulson> oh my
[14:56] <chrisccoulson> ebx            0x0
[14:56] <chrisccoulson> that's meant to be the base address of the got :)
[14:57] <chrisccoulson> i guess that's where the "invalid read at address 0x38" comes from in your valgrind log
[14:57] <chrisccoulson> this is going to be fun
[15:05] <chrisccoulson> mterry, ok, could you try again please, but this time do "watch $ebx == 0x0"?
[15:05] <mterry> chrisccoulson, sure
[15:05] <chrisccoulson> hopefully you will hit that once, be able to get a stacktrace, and when you continue you should hopefully see it crash
[15:05] <chrisccoulson> fingers crossed :)
[15:06] <mterry> ok, I hit the breakpoint
[15:06] <chrisccoulson> excellent
[15:07] <mterry> chrisccoulson, do you want a dump of registers every time I hit the watch point?
[15:07] <chrisccoulson> mterry, just a stacktrace. are you hitting it more than once?
[15:07] <chrisccoulson> i was hoping it would just be once :)
[15:07] <mterry> chrisccoulson, oh, I see your above comment
[15:08] <mterry> chrisccoulson, yah, all over the place
[15:08] <chrisccoulson> mterry, and it's always a different call stack?
[15:09] <mterry> chrisccoulson, yeah mostly
[15:09] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, that's a shame
[15:09] <mterry> chrisccoulson, I can send some of them to you?
[15:09] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i can take a look
[15:09] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[15:10] <mterry> chrisccoulson, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1040940/
[15:11] <chrisccoulson> mterry, oh, of course. it might be better to first break on main, and then set up the watch
[15:11] <chrisccoulson> to get all of the linker stuff out of the way first :)
[15:11] <mterry> chrisccoulson, k, will do
[15:13] <mterry> chrisccoulson, now I'm going through a bunch of locale loading.  hopefully it will end soon
[15:13] <seb128> mterry, restart it, break on main, once you hit it, add the break on ebx
[15:14] <seb128> that should be easier
[15:14] <mterry> seb128, that's what I did
[15:14] <mterry> setlocale is after main
[15:15] <mterry> parse args also does some similar things...
[15:15] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, that's a pain :(
[15:24] <mpt> mvo, do you know what glatzor meant by "aptdaemon.gtk3widgets.SmartErrorDialog"?
[15:28] <mterry> chrisccoulson, now I'm getting some from the plugin loads
[15:33] <mvo> mpt: I think he means that apps need removing when fixing broken dependencies
[15:33] <mvo> mpt: i.e. instead of saying "the package gedit-foo needs rmoeval" he wants to show reall appname and icon
[15:35] <mpt> mvo, that would be nifty. I sketched that dialog at <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwarePackageOperations#broken>, but showing real application names would be a great improvement.
[15:35] <seb128> chrisccoulson, mterry: can't you script gdb to bt, c automatically when it reach those b?
[15:35] <seb128> chrisccoulson, and look at the log what was the last bt before the segfault?
[15:36] <mterry> seb128, ooh
[15:36] <seb128> mterry, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2388799/automate-gdb-show-backtrace-at-every-call-to-function-puts
[15:36] <mterry> I forgot gdb could do that
[15:37] <seb128> mterry, something like that?
[15:37] <mterry> yah, just a simple bt; c should do
[15:37]  * mterry waits for next natural break
[15:39] <chrisccoulson> heh, i should remember how to do that too :)
[15:40] <mterry> chrisccoulson, OK, commands set.  It will still take some time to get results.  It's really slow when it has to watch that register
[15:40] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i can imagine :)
[15:53]  * mpt wonders idly about dropping the "Statistics" tab from Software Sources
[15:57] <seb128> mpt, move it to the privacy panel in system settings?
[15:57] <mpt> seb128, ooh, good idea
[16:00] <mpt> If we're not careful, though, soon we'll end up with people sending their software inventory in three different ways: USC recommendations, metrics, and popcon
[16:01] <Laney> I wonder if that panel shouldn't be protected by your password
[16:01] <seb128> mpt, that's a good point, I'm not sure popcon has ever been a good metric, we should perhaps just drop it
[16:01] <Laney> it's likely to be a place where you note down stuff you'd rather other people not see
[16:01] <seb128> Laney, your keyring is not protected by your password, why would that panel be?
[16:01] <seb128> Laney, if somebody got physical access to your user account you are screwed anyway
[16:02] <mpt> Oh, not three ways. Four. With the fourth being OneConf. :-)
[16:02] <seb128> Laney, same for i.e your firefox passwords
[16:02] <Laney> I'm not talking about the sophisticated attacker here
[16:02] <Laney> but yes, those could be protected too
[16:02] <Laney> but creating a false sense of security is probably a valid argument against doing it
[16:02] <seb128> Laney, I don't need to be a sophisticated attacker, if I've access to your email I can read your email, user your webbrowser to connect to any of the site you stored credential for, etc
[16:03] <seb128> if I've access to your account*
[16:03] <seb128> Laney, I don't think the infos in that panel are sensitive over i.e emails
[16:04] <seb128> mpt, yeah, let's drop popcon ... want to email ubuntu-devel to suggest that?
[16:05] <chrisccoulson> mterry, is it still going?
[16:06] <mterry> chrisccoulson, yes
[16:06] <chrisccoulson> mterry, oh, i didn't expect it to take this long :)
[16:06] <chrisccoulson> i hope this turns out to be worthwhile
[16:07] <chrisccoulson> i wouldn't want to waste your time ;)
[16:07] <chrisccoulson> micahg, what's happening with bug 1010466?
[16:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1010466 in unity-2d "dropdown boxes on sites stop working" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1010466
[16:07] <micahg> chrisccoulson: natty didn't build, waiting to hear back
[16:07] <chrisccoulson> micahg, hear back from?
[16:08] <micahg> chrisccoulson: didrocks or sil2100
[16:08] <didrocks> micahg: sil2100 told me that he saw that with you
[16:08] <micahg> didrocks: ah, yeah, he fixed it already :)
[16:09]  * micahg will get that uploaded
[16:09] <micahg> should go out today then
[16:09] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[16:10] <mpt> seb128, yep. That would get it from four down to three. I just discussed it briefly with ev, and he has vague ideas to get from three down to one. :-)
[16:58] <mterry> chrisccoulson, still not done.  :(
[16:59] <chrisccoulson> mterry, oh :(
[17:00] <chrisccoulson> that is taking much longer than i thought it would ;)
[17:00] <mterry> dconf reads also trigger the read...
[17:00] <mterry> the watch I mean
[17:01] <chrisccoulson> it's all desrt's fault!
[17:01] <chrisccoulson> :)
[17:08]  * didrocks waves good evening
[17:08]  * desrt wonders what's going on
[17:23] <seb128> desrt, don't pretend it's not your fault! ;-)
[18:31] <bcurtiswx> hey kenvandine , i have a friend who changed their default group to be 'users' and now empathy has write permission errors for items that allow for logging and saving connections
[18:32] <bcurtiswx> bug #1013921
[18:37]  * kenvandine wonders where the url is from the bot
[18:39] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, ubot2 must be upset with us
[18:39] <bcurtiswx> ok, so it isn't my machine.. thought it was
[18:39] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, oh... i can't find a bug with that number
[18:40] <bcurtiswx> bug #1013291
[18:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1013291 in empathy "changing users default group causes file write permissions" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1013291
[18:40] <bcurtiswx> i see what I did there
[18:42] <bcurtiswx> file write permission errors**
[18:46] <kenvandine> oh
[18:48] <bcurtiswx> anyways, the user changed their default group in /etc/group to 'users' and it seems to have caused empathy issues in saving items
[18:48] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, that is apparmor related
[18:48] <kenvandine> i don't think it is the group
[18:49] <kenvandine> it is the homedir
[18:49] <kenvandine> look at /etc/apparmor.d/tunables/home
[18:50] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, you can edit /etc/apparmor.d/tunables/home.d/ubuntu
[18:50] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, so that should be @{HOMEDIRS}=/heise1/ ?
[18:50] <kenvandine> yeah
[18:51] <kenvandine> @{HOMEDIRS}=/home/ /heise1/
[18:51] <kenvandine> i guess
[18:51] <kenvandine> it is a space separated list
[18:51] <bcurtiswx> in home.d/ubuntu or just home ?
[18:52] <kenvandine> you put overrides in /etc/apparmor.d/tunables/home.d/ubuntu
[18:52] <bcurtiswx> ok
[18:52] <kenvandine> the packaged defaults are in the other
[18:52] <kenvandine> this is probably breaking more than telepathy
[18:52] <bcurtiswx> so should we worry about this not changing if a user changes their home directory and doesn't know to change anything else?
[18:53] <kenvandine> not sure what we can do to help them :/
[18:53] <bcurtiswx> hmm
[18:54] <bcurtiswx> that just seems bad though...
[18:54] <bcurtiswx> brb
[18:55] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, pretty much everything that ships an apparmor profile relies on @{HOME}
[18:55] <kenvandine> users shouldn't really change their homedir without knowing the implications... but there isn't really a good way to warn them
[19:00] <bcurtiswx> they used the command 'usermod'
[19:02] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, you'd think if thats the case then using usermod would know to change that value as well
[19:03] <kenvandine> or warn them that it probably isn't a good idea :/
[19:05] <bcurtiswx> either way there needs to be something done so basic desktop functionality isn't lost with a change of the homedir. IDK how often this happens or not though...
[19:15] <seb128> bcurtiswx, change user directory doesn't seem a real usecase but rather a "what can I do to break my system" thing
[19:16] <seb128> bcurtiswx, the users who know how to do that should know better
[19:22] <bcurtiswx> seb128, can't disagree, just wanted to make sure it wasn't something we should fix that we are not.
[19:27] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, thanks :)
[19:27] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, np
[22:05] <thumper> robert_ancell: morning
[22:05] <thumper> robert_ancell: how can I test out your new pango fix?
[22:05] <robert_ancell> thumper, hello
[22:05] <robert_ancell> thumper, install quantal?
[22:05] <thumper> robert_ancell: I'd like to run valgrind again and see if it is good
[22:05] <thumper> robert_ancell: so... about precise...
[22:05] <robert_ancell> thumper, it's not too hard to do a precise package
[22:06] <thumper> robert_ancell: I think it would me nice to SRU, as it effects every app that uses pango to draw text
[22:06] <thumper> robert_ancell: which is a lot (I think)
[22:06] <robert_ancell> thumper, can you write out the SRU for it?
[22:06] <robert_ancell> I can see the bug, but I don't know how severe it is
[22:07] <thumper> hmm.. I wonder if I can convince a minion to do it :)
[22:16] <robert_ancell> thumper, ok, I did all the SRU stuff in bug 837145, you just need to write the test case for it
[22:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 837145 in pango1.0 "Memory leak in pango_layout_get_extents" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/837145
[22:17] <thumper> robert_ancell: ok, thanks... I'll try to get to this this afternoon
[22:31] <robert_ancell> RAOF, do you do SRUs?
[22:36] <thumper> robert_ancell: do you know what type of details are needed for a test-case?
[22:36] <thumper> so far we just use valgrind
[22:40] <robert_ancell> thumper, yeah, I was just going to check with someone like RAOF how detailed they need to be.
[22:40] <thumper> robert_ancell: ok, cool
[22:40] <robert_ancell> They normally need to be pretty clear, i.e. "run these commands"
[22:40] <thumper> :)
[22:41] <robert_ancell> the program needs a bit of specialised valgrind knowledge to know how to test.  And at least for me it shows so many errors it's not clear which one is being fixed!
[22:41] <thumper> robert_ancell: I'd like to run valgrind locally (precise) with the fixed version
[22:42] <RAOF> We'd really like the test case to be detailed enough that an educated non-expert could run and verify it.
[22:44] <RAOF> Well, what we *really* want is some assurance that it'll *actually* get verified. A test case that anyone can run is one way of helping to ensure that.
[22:47] <robert_ancell> thumper, ^
[22:48] <thumper> ok
[22:48] <thumper> if I can work out how to run the test locally, that'd be as start :)
[22:48] <thumper> robert_ancell: what is the easiest way for me to get a precise version that is fixed?
[22:48] <thumper> robert_ancell: compile it myself? or can we get something in a ppa?
[22:49] <robert_ancell> thumper, bzr-buildpackage from lp:~robert-ancell/pango/precise-lp-837145
[22:50] <robert_ancell> will do it, then dpkg -i
[22:50] <thumper> ok, thanks, I'll try this shortly
[22:50] <robert_ancell> I've uploaded it to precise-proposed, but that's no use until the test case is there and it is approved right RAOF?
[23:00] <RAOF> robert_ancell: You can get the source out of the unapproved queue, but you're right; it won't build until it's accepted, and it won't be accepted until it's got a test case.
[23:01] <robert_ancell> a vicious circle!
[23:06]  * micahg would think it's more like a rainbow leading to a pot of build time :)
[23:22]  * thumper builds in an attempt to determine a good test case
[23:23] <thumper> robert_ancell: ok, so I'm building your pango package now
[23:23] <thumper> robert_ancell: I trust that dpkg -i will install the package
[23:23] <thumper> robert_ancell: how can I switch between them?
[23:23] <thumper> robert_ancell: just dpkg -i the existing deb?
[23:23] <thumper> you can tell I'm not really an ubuntu dev
[23:23] <robert_ancell> yeah, you need to get the old debs to do that
[23:24] <robert_ancell> I just download them from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pango1.0, but I think you can do it cleverly through apt
[23:25] <robert_ancell> or they may be in /var/cache/apt/archives/ still
[23:25]  * thumper needs build-dep for pango1.0
[23:25] <thumper> grabbing
[23:26] <thumper> robert_ancell: I see a libpango1.0 in /var/cache/apt/archives
[23:26] <thumper> that's probably it...
[23:44] <thumper> robert_ancell: the builddeb failed on the signing at the end ('cause I don't have your key), but I'm guessing that is the last step?
[23:44] <thumper> robert_ancell: there is a buildir that has debs in it
[23:45] <thumper> robert_ancell: I'm assuming they are ok?
[23:45] <thumper> robert_ancell: also, there is a gir1.2-pango-1.0_1.30.0-0ubuntu3.1_amd64.deb package, do I need that for your memleak fix?
[23:45] <TheMuso> thumper: if using bzr-builddeb to build a package, add -- -uc -us at the end of the command line arguments so that no attempt is made to sign the package.
[23:45] <thumper> TheMuso: thanks for that
[23:46] <TheMuso> I use that a lot when testing packages, and only sign, or build/sign when I'm satisfied with the results.
[23:46] <TheMuso> Useful when working on sponsoring other people's work too.
[23:48] <TheMuso> And np.
[23:54] <thumper> the -dbg package, is that just the symbols?
[23:54] <RAOF> Yup.
[23:54] <RAOF> You might want them, for valgrind's benefit. Or not.
[23:57] <thumper> yeah, was going to :)
[23:59]  * RAOF resists the urge to complain about Debian's backward-arse debugging infrastructure.
[23:59] <RAOF> But does so unsuccessfully!