[00:57] <oem> stroganoff, i'm sorry i got pulled away earlier.  still trying to fix this problem with my terminal crashing; you suggested it is prolly a problem with my vidcard which might be fixed by changing by changing def depth to 16 in xorg.conf.  anyways i have xterm open now, can you tell me the ezact command line to get into the file please?
[00:58] <Stroganoff> sudo mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:58] <oem> oh, thank you, thank you... stay with me if you can! :) i kind of dumb inside the term (and outside).
[01:04] <oem> ok, so when i get to the 'screen' section, i am observing that 'default depth' is set to 24.  beyond that subsections have different depth settings.  you only want me to change the 'Default' one tho, correct?
[01:05] <oem> stroganoff, one is set to 1, one to 4, 8, 15, 16, and the one in last subsection set to 24.
[01:05] <Stroganoff> changing DefaultDepth should suffice
[01:08] <oem> ok, and then i just 'save' the mousepad file?
[01:08] <Stroganoff> yes
[01:09] <oem> then the test will be whether the screen continues to crash,i guess
[01:10] <Stroganoff> press ctrl+alt+backspace to kill X (so the change gets applied)
[01:11] <oem> is there any danger in hitting 'save' button twice?  i'm not sure if it registered... :(
[01:11] <Stroganoff> no there's no danger
[01:11] <oem> ok
[01:12] <oem> then control/alt/backspace is to close mousepad?  or do i just x out of mousepad?
[01:13] <Stroganoff> heh
[01:16] <oem> Stroganoff! It works!  accessory terminal opens fine now, no crash.  Thanx!
[01:16] <Stroganoff> i hope this fixes ur long term crash too
[01:17] <oem> ya, i hope.  you remembered i told you about the infrequent and irregular spontaneous crashes.  you good.
[01:17] <oem> that was six hours ago.
[01:18] <Stroganoff> ;)
[01:19] <oem> :)
[01:21] <oem> i should go check my mail, i have 1425 unread messages in my inbox.  arrrrrrgggggggghhhhhh.  gotta drop some of those lists, but they keep me so UNinformed that i'm loath to leave them.  lol.
[01:50] <oem> stroganoff, i wonder if it coould be a similar problem with my friend's machine which is running ubuntu.  on that box, he gets a slowly ever degrading screen until it's practically unreadable.  sometimes a reboot will 'fix' it temporarily, and sometimes the reboot comes up just as bad.  any ideas?
[01:51] <Stroganoff> might be related
[01:51] <oem> i don't think he has a monitor problem, because it occured on another monitor as well.
[01:52] <oem> i will be up in daytona beach at his house this week, will try to check in here then...
[01:52] <Stroganoff> do you know what gfx card he has got?
[01:53] <oem> nah, guess no point trying to think about it now, i still haven't convinced him that its safe to visit a chat room. lol.
[01:55] <Stroganoff> hahaha
[01:55] <Joeseph> what's the best way to view a windows network? I know how to do it in gnome, but I'm running xfce
[01:55] <Stroganoff> is he afraid of hackers and pedophiles? D
[01:56] <Stroganoff> Joeseph: FuseSMB http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=304131
[02:00] <Joeseph> thanks: following it now Stroganoff
[02:07] <Joeseph> alrighty.... I cam to  "6) Create a directory that you are going to mount your network browse to... I used /media/network"
[02:07] <Joeseph> I want to use the same folder.... how do I make it there?
[02:07] <Stroganoff> sudo mkdir /media/network
[02:08] <Stroganoff> sudo chown `whoami`:fuse /media/network/
[02:08] <Joeseph> thank you
[02:08] <Joeseph> 'whoami' is my username?
[02:08] <Stroganoff> i gets translated to your username if you use these special quotes (i dont know their names)
[02:09] <Stroganoff> these quotes just embedd a command. "whoami" is a command that prints out your username
[02:09] <Stroganoff> in other words: yes
[02:13] <TheSheep> Stroganoff: backticks
[02:13] <Stroganoff> +1
[02:13] <TheSheep> Stroganoff: you can use $(...) instead of `...`, its more readable
[03:00] <Joeseph> ummm I followed the tutorial at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=304131 for windows browsing network..... nothing happened... it's an empty folder
[03:00] <Joeseph> any help?
[03:04] <Joeseph> any ideas?
[03:05] <Joeseph> fusesmb brings the error no mountpoint
[03:10] <Joeseph> and sudo fusesmb /media/network says I don't have access
[03:31] <Joeseph> alright.... I'll just use nautilus....
[03:32] <Joeseph> ummmmm   anyone want to help me with my speaker problems?
[03:32] <Joeseph> soundcard issues rather... one day it just stopped playing.... works in my xp though
[03:41] <mungewell> hi all. Trying out beta, which directories do I have to clear out to get a 'clean' user profile (want to keep existing home dir).
[13:48] <emil> salut cine a facut cursul fundamentals of unix?
[13:49] <TheSheep> !fr | emil
[13:49] <ubotu> emil: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[13:51] <emil> qui fait le course fundamentals of unix?
[13:54] <Iskr> !de
[13:54] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[13:54] <Iskr> !es
[13:54] <ubotu> Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[13:55] <Iskr> !en
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[14:04] <overrider> hi, is there a way i can make apt-get upgrade honor the export HTTP_PROXY=<IP_ADDRESS>:9099 variable i set? thanks
[14:04] <emil> hi who made the course fundamentals of unix?
[14:06] <TheSheep> emil: unix was developed by the Bell Labs, but not sure what course you're refering to
[14:07] <emil> course cisco  sun&
[14:08] <emil> course cisco&sun
[14:08] <TheSheep> no idea
[14:08] <TheSheep> maybe write to them and ask
[14:08] <emil> is international course
[14:15] <overrider> does anyone know how to configure apt-get to use proxy? i cant download updates otherwise. :-(
[14:18] <TheSheep> overrider: you can try looking into /etc/apt
[14:19] <TheSheep> overrider: reading apt.conf can give you some insight too
[14:19] <TheSheep> man apt.conf
[14:19] <TheSheep> I mean
[14:20] <TheSheep> press / and the type proxy to search for proxy in it
[14:23] <overrider> thanks TheSheep, actually exporting this thing using lowercase variable name has worked. which totally throws me off, as i think they should all be uppercase. thought wrong.
[14:23] <coach_z> I just  installed xubuntu and i have two 'drives' mounted on my HD that are not related to any drives that i have and they also cannot be opened or mounted
[14:24] <TheSheep> coach_z: how are they named?
[14:24] <coach_z> 230M Removable Volume and 1K removable volume
[14:25] <TheSheep> coach_z: can you pastebin the result of 'sudo fdisk -l'?
[14:25] <TheSheep> (this command lists all partitions of all disks)
[14:25] <coach_z> what you mean by pastebin?
[14:25] <TheSheep> !pastebin
[14:25] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[14:29] <coach_z> TheSheep: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63306/
[14:29] <coach_z> i have 5 actual drives hooked up to this computer that all showed up fine when i was using ubuntu last week
[14:30] <coach_z> 2 usb 2 sata 1firewire drive
[14:31] <Helsu> I've installed Xubuntu now, but Azureus crashes on it.
[14:31] <Helsu> Is this a general problem?
[14:31] <Helsu> I don't really get an error
[14:31] <TheSheep> coach_z: this is weird
[14:32] <TheSheep> coach_z: I have no idea where those drives could come from
[14:33] <coach_z> TheSheep: neither do i, esp because they were not there last week in ubuntu
[14:33] <TheSheep> coach_z: my goess is that it detected the sdc device that doesn't have any partitions
[14:33] <totalwormface> Helsu: try starting up azureus from the terminal, it may spit out some information about your problem :]
[14:33] <Helsu> How?
[14:33] <TheSheep> Helsu: open terminal and type 'azureus' in it
[14:33] <totalwormface> Helsu: start a terminal and type in 'azureus'
[14:34] <gNewPower> Hi everybody, I need some help to edit menus in Xubuntu.  I thought that I could use the GNOME menu editor, but that did not work.  Is there any outside application which makes it possible to edit menus in Xubuntu without using the (useless and dangerous) Xubuntu menu editor?
[14:35] <TheSheep> gNewPower: yes, text editor
[14:35] <gNewPower> really? which file do I edit?
[14:35] <TheSheep> gNewPower: xfce adheres to the freedesktop.org menu file specification, the format is described inthere
[14:36] <TheSheep> gNewPower: usually you copy the entries you want to edit from /usr/share/applications to your local ~/.local/share/applications and edit them to suit your needs
[14:36] <Helsu> right, it was an unexpected java error
[14:36] <gNewPower> is ~/.local/share/application the file which is used by the Xubuntu menu?
[14:37] <TheSheep> gNewPower: no, it's a directory
[14:38] <TheSheep> gNewPower: the menu is assembled from files in /usr/share/applications and ~/.local/share/applications
[14:38] <gNewPower> TheSheep: yes, I see it. which file does the Xubuntu menu use?
[14:38] <gNewPower> or does it read the directory itself?
[14:39] <TheSheep> it reads all the files
[14:39] <TheSheep> how it assembles them depends on their content
[14:39] <totalwormface> Helsu: there's no more info then that?
[14:39] <Helsu> Well there was lots of information, but nothing I could make out
[14:40] <gNewPower> TheSheep: Jeez, is there not a less labor intensive way for me to go about fixing this?  For example, I installed Konqueror as a file browser. but while the GNOME menu sees it, the Xubuntu does not.
[14:41] <TheSheep> gNewPower: that's because the /usr/share/applications/konqueror.desktop file has a line that says 'onlyshowin: KDE'
[14:41] <totalwormface> Helsu: you can try to look for something similar in here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=azureus&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=
[14:41]  * TheSheep faints
[14:41]  * totalwormface didn't realise that url was so long ;P
[14:41] <gNewPower> TheSheep: I see.  Is there no one ap which can allow me to fix all this?
[14:42] <coobra> omg
[14:42] <coobra> kenyrunner long url
[14:42] <TheSheep> gNewPower: text editor
[14:42] <TheSheep> gNewPower: that's one app
[14:42] <homebrewcider> hey there, any way I can get my thunar file manager page to open full screen every time?
[14:43] <gNewPower> TheSheep: I was hoping for something more specialized in menus so I would not have to read each entry in  ~/.local/share/application one by one
[14:46] <Helsu> Hmm I'm not really interested in doing much error searching
[14:46] <Helsu> if it doesn't work I'll just get another distro
[14:46] <Helsu> or windows
[14:48] <cody-somerville> Helsu, Whats your problem?
[14:48] <Helsu> Right now it is getting a torrent client up that has a web interface, Azureus keeps crashing
[14:49] <Helsu> at first it ran fine
[14:49] <Helsu> then after a reboot or so, it crashes after a few secounds
[14:49] <cody-somerville> Helsu, What version of Xubuntu are you running?
[14:49] <Helsu> the newest
[14:49] <Helsu> I just installed the hardware for my server
[14:49] <cody-somerville> By newest, do you mean the development version or the latest stable release?
[14:49] <Helsu> latest stable
[15:05] <Helsu> i'll try to install ubuntu, if that doesn't work i'll go for fedora
[15:10] <cody-somerville> sorry, I got distracted :)
[15:10] <cody-somerville> Can you open up the terminal and launch Azureus from there? It should give us the error message.
[15:11] <Helsu> yeah
[15:11] <Helsu> but hmm
[15:11] <Helsu> i'm on my vista computer now
[15:11] <Helsu> i only have one network cable here
[15:11] <Helsu> to this room
[15:11] <Helsu> i might try to install it in vmware
[15:11] <Helsu> then copy/paste it
[15:16] <Hels1> Ok I'm in Xubuntu now
[15:16] <Hels1> http://pastebin.com/d6e8dc561
[15:17] <homebrewcider> hey all, I've screwed something up, any application that I open has no title bar at the top
[15:18] <TheSheep> homebrewcider: you need to start xfwm4
[15:18] <Hels1> I really wish you'd make some way you could execute files rather than this packkage system, I think it is _really_ confusing when you encounter something not in the default package manager. Fedora has fixed it nicely.
[15:19] <TheSheep> Hels1: it's hard to have it both flexible and automatically updated
[15:19] <TheSheep> Hels1: with the current system, the applications are supposed to come with their own .desktop files
[15:22] <Hels1> Cody?
[15:23] <Stroganoff> Hels1 you can execute files if you have all dependencies :D
[15:23] <Stroganoff> example: www.teeworlds.com
[16:04] <Hels1> How can I set Xubuntu to autologin?
[16:04] <Hels1> test
[16:04] <cody-somerville> Hels1, Applications > System > Login Window
[16:04] <TheSheep> Hels1: settings->login window->security->automatic login
[16:05] <cody-somerville> Or settings, sorry
[16:06] <TheSheep> cody-somerville: it really belongs to system, no idea why they moved it
[16:07] <cody-somerville> TheSheep, File a bug? :)
[16:07] <TheSheep> cody-somerville: nah, it's not that important, and in fact moving it around to much is even worse
[16:08] <Hels1> ok, do you guys have experience remote controlling xubuntu from vista?
[16:08] <Hels1> someone mentioned VPN or something last night
[16:09] <TheSheep> Hels1: hehe, why would we want to use vista if we already have access to xubuntu? :)
[16:09] <TheSheep> !vnc
[16:09] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[16:09] <TheSheep> !FreeNX
[16:09] <ubotu> FreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[16:09] <Hels1> well i'll run xubuntu as my home server
[16:28] <Hels1> I'm trying to access my shared folder from another computer
[16:28] <Hels1> i've set it to be in a SMB network
[16:28] <Hels1> so the windows computers can access it
[16:28] <Hels1> but i can't discover this xubuntu computer in the network
[16:28] <Hels1> both are in MSHOME
[16:30] <Stroganoff> can you access it by typing in the windows adress line: \\192.168.... (two backslahes + ip of you xubuntu)
[16:30] <Hels1> do i need to add MSHOME to the domain?
[16:30] <Stroganoff> no
[16:30] <Hels1> hmm, one sec i need to find my ip
[16:31] <Hels1> i'll need to check my router because it doesn't say here
[16:32] <Stroganoff> ifconfig#
[16:32] <Stroganoff> ifconfig
[16:32] <Hels1> so \\<IP_ADDRESS>?
[16:33] <Stroganoff> yes
[16:33] <Hels1> it prompts me for a password
[16:33] <Hels1> in windows
[16:33] <Stroganoff> edit /etc/samba/smb.conf
[16:33] <Stroganoff> replace "security = user" with "security = share"
[16:33] <Hels1> is there no other way? nothing in the settings i can find by the menu?
[16:34] <Stroganoff> i dont know the settings dialogues, i dont have them installed
[16:35] <Stroganoff> there should be somethink like "authentication method" where you can switch between user, share, domain and more
[16:35] <Stroganoff> choose share
[16:39] <Hels1> i do it with abiword then?
[16:39] <Stroganoff> no
[16:40] <Stroganoff> sudo mousepad /etc/samba/smb.conf
[16:40] <keb> never use a word processor for editing configuration files
[16:40] <Hels1> i never configure things within the configuration files...
[16:40] <Stroganoff> you can just use this line:
[16:40] <Stroganoff>         sudo sed -i -e "s_\;   security = user_   security = share_" -e "s_;\[cdrom\]_\[cdrom\]\ncomment = CD-ROM\nread only = yes\nlocking = no\npath = /media/cdrom\nguest ok = yes_" -e "s_workgroup = MSHOME_workgroup = $SAMBAGROUP _" /etc/samba/smb.conf
[16:40] <Stroganoff> erm no
[16:40] <Stroganoff> forget that
[16:40] <keb> np
[16:40] <keb> that probly won't paste right
[16:41] <Stroganoff> http://pastebin.ca/raw/986136
[16:41] <Hels1> "security = user
[16:43] <Hels1> the terminal keeps crashing
[16:44] <Hels1> now i can't paste anything
[16:44] <Stroganoff> oh yeah another one
[16:44] <Stroganoff> use another terminal: alt+f2 -> xterm
[16:44] <Hels1> it didn't say anything after i'd typed my password
[16:45] <Stroganoff> if a command is sucessfull, it doesnt say anything
[16:45] <Hels1> right
[16:45] <Hels1> i'll try with my other computer now
[16:45] <Stroganoff> Oo
[16:46] <Stroganoff> you have to restart samba first
[16:46] <Hels1> how?
[16:46] <Stroganoff> sudo invoke-rc.d samba restart
[16:46] <Hels1> uhm
[16:46] <Hels1> now my windows bar dissappeared
[16:46] <Stroganoff> wat
[16:47] <Stroganoff> alt+f2 -> xfwm4
[16:47] <Hels1> still gone
[16:47] <Stroganoff> alt+f2 -> xterm -> xfwm4
[16:47] <Hels1> nothing happened
[16:47] <Stroganoff> no error messages in xterm?
[16:48] <Stroganoff> thats odd
[16:48] <Stroganoff> you could try reinstalling with this one:
[16:48] <Stroganoff> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=741631
[16:48] <keb> the "windows bar" could be the panel
[16:48] <Stroganoff> it comes with preconfigured samba
[16:49] <Stroganoff> alt+f2 -> xfce4-panel
[16:49] <The-Kernel> what's a good cli torrent client?
[16:49] <Stroganoff> mldonkey
[16:49] <keb> rtorrent
[16:49] <Stroganoff> k
[16:49] <Hels1> nothing happened again
[16:49] <keb> hmm actually rtorrent has a curses interface
[16:50] <Stroganoff> nothing wrong about that i suppose?
[16:50] <Stroganoff> Hels1 we are talking about xubuntu right?
[16:50] <Hels1> my windows bar is where i see what windows i have open.
[16:51] <Stroganoff> xterm -> killall xfce4-panel -> rtorrent
[16:51] <Stroganoff> oops
[16:51] <Stroganoff> xterm -> killall xfce4-panel -> xfce4-panel
[16:52] <Hels1> right, back
[16:53] <keb> :>
[16:53] <Hels1> why is there so much fuzz about sharing a simple folder?
[16:53] <Hels1> it is much easier in windows
[16:54] <keb> different versions of windows often don't talk to each other
[16:54] <Hels1>  * Stopping Samba daemons...                                                    start-stop-daemon: warning: failed to kill 4896: No such process
[16:54] <Hels1>                                                                          [ OK ]
[16:54] <Hels1>  * Starting Samba daemons                                                [ OK ]
[16:54] <Hels1> my networking icon has dissappaered
[16:54] <Hels1> dissapeared*
[16:55] <Hels1> right, it is listed now. thank you
[16:56] <Hels1> i do, however, want to password protect one of them
[16:56] <Hels1> how do i do it?
[16:56] <Stroganoff> Hels1 because linux distributions come with more elaborate default settings that are very usefull in corporate environments...
[16:57] <Stroganoff> change the permissions of that folder to "not readable by everyone"
[16:58] <Stroganoff> on the other hand, i dont think it's doable with the "share" setting you just applied
[17:01] <totalwormface> Hels1: because windows doesn't make the smb protocol open
[17:02] <totalwormface> Hels1: so it's a hell of a job to make something other than a windows machine talk to the network
[17:03] <Stroganoff> it may have been a hell of a job to write SAMBA. but thats done now, its not the source of Hels1's problems, my dear totalwormface
[17:03] <totalwormface> o_0
[17:03] <totalwormface> sorry to give some background information
[17:07] <Hels1> why does samba have to restart?
[17:07] <Hels1> windows doesn't have to restart
[17:07] <Hels1> well except from restarting after changing workgroup
[17:07] <zoredache> yes, but the server service does reload after changing a share
[17:07] <Stroganoff> windows just restarts samba automatically if you change a settings
[17:07] <Hels1> why not linux?
[17:08] <keb> exactly
[17:08] <zoredache> Hels1: because you have total control with linux...
[17:08] <keb> instead of restarting all of linux, you just restart the piece that needs reconfiguration
[17:08] <Stroganoff> Hels1 how should samba now that you just manually edited a configuration file?
[17:08] <Stroganoff> if you use the GUI configuration frontends for samba it gets restarted automatically
[17:08] <zoredache> Stroganoff: psst... it could be done with inotify
[17:08] <Hels1> there is no gui config for what i did, afaik
[17:09] <Hels1> i couldn't find any
[17:09] <Stroganoff> zoredache pssst... i know
[17:09] <Hels1> which for me as a long term windows user is intimidating
[17:09] <Stroganoff> Hels1 you just couldnt find it, period. it's there.
[17:09] <bimshire> cheers
[17:09] <keb> Hels1 there is a web interface to samba called SWAT
[17:10] <bimshire> .
[17:10] <Stroganoff> uh oh
[17:10] <keb> ahoy
[17:10] <bimshire> hope all is well
[17:10] <Hels1> right, so i go to some adress in my web browser to configure my folder sharing?
[17:11] <Stroganoff> your own adress with a special port.
[17:11] <Hels1> it would be easier if it was next to the other relevant settings for file sharing
[17:11] <keb> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Swat
[17:11] <zoredache> Hels1: if you are expecting linux to be the same as windows or to be completely perfect and polished, with perfect UI then you expect too much
[17:12] <Stroganoff> Hels1 you are welcome to donate to the XFCE project or support in any other way. until then you get WAY MORE than you paid for :p
[17:12] <zoredache> there are many people working on making it better, but there are rough edges still
[17:12] <midasza> Hey all
[17:13] <Hels1> right, well at least you take criticism
[17:14] <bimshire> well i just instlled xubuntu and i like it so far
[17:14] <midasza> Any one else having this problem - upgraded to 8.04 beta. No problems other than having to recompile my wireless card drivers and one thing. Whenever I reboot the system from within Gnome it tells me my disk was not unmounted cleanly and disk check is forced.
[17:15] <Stroganoff> wow thats a hard one
[17:15] <Stroganoff> #ubuntu+1 though
[17:15] <zoredache> feel ree to make useful suggestions on the forums,
[17:15] <Hels1> I still don't understand though, how can I password protect my folder?
[17:16] <midasza> Hels - as in a share level password or for local access?
[17:16] <Hels1> I don't understand your question but, no password for going \\hjemmeserver but a password for going in to the selected shared folder
[17:17] <zoredache> Hels1: password protect a folder for access on the local machine, or from the netwrok?  If on the local machine then you would want to setup filesystem permissions, or possibly encryption
[17:18] <midasza> Hels1 does \\hjemmeserver currently work at all or not at all at the moment for you?
[17:18] <Hels1> from the network
[17:18] <midasza> from a remote machine?
[17:18] <Hels1> It works, it is listed in network in vista and i can access it
[17:18] <Hels1> it even shows a printer folder, even though i have not connected the printer to it yet
[17:18] <Hels1> which is great
[17:19] <midasza> Ok thats good, question 2 - how familliar ar you with using the command line (windows or linux or unix)?
[17:19] <zoredache> so if you setup samba, thne it IS password protected
[17:20] <zoredache> when you accessed it from windows, windows automatically provided the password you used to login to the linux box
[17:21] <Hels1> I can do a few things in CMD, I am completely green in Linux
[17:22] <midasza> give me five minutes just going to read up on share level samba passwords.
[17:22] <Stroganoff> i doubt its possible
[17:23] <zoredache> you could also just fix it the 'simple' way... that is have a different password on each machine
[17:23] <keb> you will likely have to make a new samba share for that folder
[17:24] <Hels1> what do you mean?
[17:24] <zoredache> do you have the same username and password on both the linux box and windows box?
[17:25] <Hels1> no
[17:25] <zoredache> then ignore me then...
[17:25] <Hels1> should i?
[17:26] <Hels1> have the same password, that is
[17:26] <Hels1> and username
[17:26] <zoredache> it is up to you...
[17:26] <midasza> thats not a problem - only problem is samba only allows you to have one mode of authenticating - either share level (old win95/98 shares) or server level (windows nt/xp/2003/vista method)
[17:27] <zoredache> I am am a bit confused about how you access the linux box without providing your password though
[17:28] <midasza> well you just establish a netbios session which is considered guest or public then when you try and access a share it asks you for a password.
[17:29] <bimshire> does anyone here use transmission?
[17:29] <Hels1> was that for me, midasza?
[17:29] <midasza> like is said this is considered older technology and has gone out of fashion.
[17:30] <Hels1> mm
[17:30] <Hels1> you know
[17:30] <Hels1> i can just set up an ftp server
[17:30] <Hels1> and still have the printer shared without a password
[17:30] <zoredache> if you want a quick secure file transfer method...  installl ssh
[17:31] <Hels1> i'm not afraid of package loggers within the house :P
[17:31] <zoredache> perhaps, but setting up ssh takes about 5 seconds... setting up ftp correctly will take 15-45 minutes
[17:31] <Hels1> does the firewall block port 6886 by default?
[17:32] <zoredache> did you install a firewall?  There is none by default
[17:32] <Hels1> isn't ssh a package to enable ssl or something?
[17:32] <Hels1> no, but well. i can't access the azureus webui
[17:32] <zoredache> ssh is a remote access technology that allows remote terminal connections, and other things like sftp
[17:33] <zoredache> so if you wanted to remotely get a terminal from windows you could use putty to connect
[17:33] <midasza> it is installed and works on a default install - install winscp on the vista machine to connect
[17:33] <Hels1> does it work like ftp, i need a client for it?
[17:33] <Hels1> i want to use VPN to remote control this server
[17:33] <Hels1> or something like that
[17:33] <zoredache> but there are programs like winscp/filezilla that work like a standard ftp client
[17:33] <midasza> yes it works like ftp hels1
[17:33] <midasza> and vnc works fine as well - you just need to install it.
[18:00] <Hels1> How do I shut down?
[18:00] <Hels1> Apparently I just quit the windows thing (what is explorer.exe in windows)
[18:01] <keb> there should be an exit icon in your panel
[18:01] <keb> it looks like an open door with an arrow
[18:01] <Hels1> I don't have a panel anymore
[18:02] <Hels1> I thought I was shutting my computer down but I shut the panel
[18:02] <Hels1> when i alt tab i have a terminal up
[18:02] <keb> try right-clicking on the desktop
[18:02] <Hels1> can't i type something in the terminal?
[18:02] <keb> if you have a terminal you can type "sudo shutdown -h now"
[18:02] <Hels1> ok, thanks
[18:02] <Hels1> i will work more on the server tomorrow
[18:02] <keb> or maybe even without the sudo
[18:02] <Stroganoff> not without sudo
[18:03] <keb> ok
[18:03] <Hels1> nothing happened
[18:03] <Hels1> guess i'm gone in a few secs
[18:03] <Stroganoff> sudo halt
[18:03] <Stroganoff> hehe
[18:04] <keb> hmm they are completely rewriting hardware detection etc for Hardy
[18:04] <keb> i will have to learn this stuff again
[18:05] <zoredache> they are?   I thought everything was frozen
[18:06] <keb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/HardyHardwareDetection
[18:06] <keb> i mean its already done but i don't have Hardy yet
[18:06] <hippieindamakin8> tell u what.. when ever i chose to play some specific set of applications i get soundbank errors in others
[18:07] <hippieindamakin8> *play /use
[18:07] <hippieindamakin8> ne solution ?
[18:08] <keb> what is a soundbank error?
[18:08] <hippieindamakin8> the application is unable to access the sound devices
[18:09] <hippieindamakin8> a particular case is this..  i play bzflag and when i get out.. i play an audio file its unable to access the sound device
[18:10] <hippieindamakin8> another kind of error is this : i use this application called "TUXGUITAR" and then i try to play a file on vlc or mplayer or totem i cant access the sound at the same time
[18:12] <keb> the applications need to be set to use a sound server instead of the devices directly
[18:13] <Stroganoff> keb shouldnt ALSA be able to handle this?
[18:14] <keb> not sure
[18:19] <keb> lol right now i can't even find a gui sound config tool on my system
[18:21] <hippieindamakin8> shall report bugs on these or try fixing them
[18:22] <keb> are each of the applications configured differently as to which sound device they use?
[18:25] <chtp__> hi folks. anyone here knows a way to encrypt a whole _existing_ partition?
[18:25] <hippieindamakin8> as a matter of fact i never compiled ne of these i did an apt-get
[18:27] <zoredache> chtp__: I don't think so....
[18:28] <zoredache> you could encrypt the files on the partition, but that isn't really encrypting the partition
[18:28] <chtp__> ok, thx
[18:45] <nerdzyboy> Could anyone tell me how to activate direct rendering for an intel X3100 card?
[18:46] <nerdzyboy> glxinfo | grep render tells me that there is no direct rendering
[18:46] <nerdzyboy> I am using driver "intel"
[18:46] <zoredache> I don't know anything about it, but are you sure that your card supports direct rendering?
[18:46] <nerdzyboy> yeah
[18:47] <nerdzyboy> it did in vista...
[19:58] <koldrakan> how can you turn off the system sound in XFCE? (I'm used to Gnome)
[20:13] <koldrakan> anyone??
[20:14] <Stroganoff> do you mean the annoying pc speaker, koldrakan?
[20:15] <koldrakan> yes:P everytime i press backspace, it screams at me
[20:15] <Stroganoff> echo "blacklist pcspkr" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist > /dev/null
[20:15] <koldrakan> in Gnome, this is easy to fix
[20:16] <koldrakan> we're talking about a laptop here, I still want the built-in speakers to work
[20:17] <Stroganoff> yeah i know
[20:17] <Stroganoff> i mean the annoying crap
[20:17] <Stroganoff> and it DOES NOT affect your low battery warning (this is handled by the bios, not the kernel)
[20:18] <koldrakan> ok I'll try the command now
[20:19] <Stroganoff> this disables the speaker on boot up. to disable it NOW use: sudo modprobe -r pcspkr
[20:20] <koldrakan> will it work after reboot too?
[20:20] <Stroganoff> the first command was for "after reboot"
[20:20] <Stroganoff> the second was for "now"
[20:20] <koldrakan> allright, so I'll just run them both then:P
[20:20] <Stroganoff> yep
[20:21] <koldrakan> worked fine! Thank you, Stroganoff:D
[20:21] <Stroganoff> pleasure
[20:21] <koldrakan> ^^
[20:50] <keb> anyone happen to know how to renew a self-signed SSL certificate?
[21:09] <LetsGo67> Did anyone notice that writing an email in Thunderbird will show the Netscape icon on the upleft corner of the window?
[21:10] <keb> how crafty of them
[21:11] <LetsGo67> What's new in Hardy?
[21:12] <Stroganoff> !hardy | LetsGo67
[21:12] <ubotu> LetsGo67: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[21:12] <LetsGo67> Nice try.
[21:13] <Stroganoff> Oo
[21:14] <LetsGo67> They should compress the reps, it'd be way faster and would give 'em more bandwidth.
[21:15] <Stroganoff> .deb files are compressed
[21:15] <keb> why dont you setup a rep to show them how
[21:17] <LetsGo67> Un jour, peut-être.  Bonne nuit.
[21:19] <Stroganoff> lol
[23:05] <LetsGo67> Here's the scenario: two computers are running Xubuntu 7.10 and they both have wireless cards.  I am using ndiswrapper on one, but not on the other.  The former has a signal strength of 4 bars, but the latter, only 1.  Both computers are at a 3 metre (10 feet) distance from the router.  How can I improve the non-ndiswrapper signal strength?
[23:06] <vidd> what is the wifi card chipset?
[23:07] <LetsGo67> Atheros, vidd.
[23:07] <zoredache> LetsGo67: most likely you will need to replace the wireless adapter...
[23:07] <vidd> run a test first....
[23:08] <zoredache> signal strength seems like it is going to be a hardware issue...
[23:08] <LetsGo67> No, zoredache, XP should run it fine.  Does it need ndiswrapper?
[23:08] <vidd> disable the driver and try NDISWrapper
[23:08] <vidd> see if the signal improves
[23:08] <vidd> if it does, get linux friendly wifi cards
[23:18] <LetsGo67> This is a dumb question, but I'd like an answer anyways, please.  Will plugging the antenna improve my signal?
[23:18] <LetsGo67> Thanks vidd and zoredache.  I forgot to plug in the antenna!
[23:19] <vidd> D'OH!!!!!!
[23:19] <zoredache> hardware problems... :p
[23:19] <vidd> lol
[23:20] <LetsGo67> Thanks guys.  Good day/evening.
[23:20] <zoredache> bye...
[23:22] <vidd> sounds like a tech call i got today.... cant connect....selected modem "device unplugged"
[23:23] <zoredache> heh
[23:23] <vidd> the user just moved a hard drive from one box to another
[23:24] <vidd> didnt bother to install drivers.....
[23:24] <vidd> i told them they were lucky windows booted
[23:24] <zoredache> yeah
[23:25] <vidd> they said "my mac's never had that kind of problem!"
[23:26] <vidd> i felt like saying "microsoft dont make mac's"
[23:27] <zoredache> Or perhaps 'my Linux-box has never had that problem either...'
[23:27] <vidd> work has asked me to stop pushing linux
[23:28] <vidd> im the only linux-savvy tech rep there
[23:28] <zoredache> that is unfortunate...
[23:29] <vidd> i still work to manuver the windows users to ask what i use
[23:30] <vidd> especially the win98 users
[23:30] <zoredache> there are still win98 users?
[23:31] <vidd> omg...tons of them
[23:31] <vidd> i had 3 win95 users call today
[23:33] <zoredache> yuck...
[23:33] <vidd> i was happy to tell them we dont support internet explorer 4
[23:34] <vidd> and most win95 systems can load IE6
[23:35] <vidd> *cant
[23:36] <vidd> work has no issues with me recommending mozilla products
[23:38] <zoredache> if the machine is running 9x will firefox even run?  Firefox 2.x tends to be a memory hog...
[23:40] <vidd> they are used to thier machines running like junk anyways
[23:51] <boolka> hi, how do i get my svideo to work on my laptop. it works up untill the moment xubuntu loads and asks for my user and pass
[23:52] <vidd> ususall <fn><f5>


[09:02] <eyfour> Which site manages the inital/upstream translations for gnupg (as in before they are imported to LP)?


[06:01] <ag[1] > hi
[06:01] <ag[1] > can i get help?
[06:02] <ag[1] >  i'm trying to make hostname and hostname -f to be the same, so i edit /etc/hosts   (line 1) <IP_ADDRESS> localhost.localdomain localhost (line 2) <IP_ADDRESS> ahazg.pc                  but it doesnt work when i type hostname i get ahazg and for hostname -f i get ahazg.pc    i want both to be ahazg.pc
[06:06] <infinity> You don't want that.
[06:06] <infinity> hostname is MEANT to be only the first part of the FQDN.
[06:06] <infinity> (base)adconrad@cthulhu:~$ hostname
[06:06] <infinity> cthulhu
[06:06] <infinity> (base)adconrad@cthulhu:~$ hostname -f
[06:06] <infinity> cthulhu.0c3.net
[06:11] <ag[1] > ok thanks
[06:13] <ag[1] > infinity,  y wouldnt it be good
[06:14] <infinity> ag[1] : Let me reverse the question -- Why do you want it to violate spec and the expectation of every piece of UNIX software ever written?
[06:15] <ag[1] > sorry, i am kind of new to the world of unix
[06:16] <infinity> Anyhow, if you're insistent on breaking it, you can set a FQDN in /etc/hostname, which will set your hostname on boot to be what you want.
[06:16] <infinity> But I highly recommend looking at WHY you want it to do that, and figuring out how to avoid it. :)
[06:17] <ag[1] > im basically following this guide
[06:17] <ag[1] > http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu_6.06_p3
[06:17] <ag[1] > Now run
[06:17] <ag[1] > hostname
[06:17] <ag[1] > hostname -f
[06:17] <ag[1] > Both should show server1.example.com.
[06:17] <ag[1] > thats from the site
[06:18] <infinity> Right, whoever wrote that shouldn't have. :)
[06:18] <infinity> They shouldn't have written most of it, to be honest.
[06:18] <infinity> Encouraging people to enable to root account isn't helpful either.
[06:19] <infinity> Or encouraging them to install random software they don't need.
[06:19] <infinity> This HOWTO's just filled with uselessness.
[06:19] <ag[1] > then how would you be able to perform commands like apt-get without root
[06:19] <infinity> It's more like this guy's notes on how HE likes to setup HIS machine, but it seems useless to post it publically for others to follow.
[06:20] <infinity> "sudo apt-get install foo"
[06:20] <infinity> Or if you want to become root for an extended period "sudo su -"
[06:20] <ag[1] > i just use "su"
[06:20] <ag[1] > is that the same thing
[06:21] <infinity> Yes, I know.  I read the HOWTO. :P
[06:21] <ag[1] > ok
[06:21] <infinity> Using "su" means that you've set a root password.
[06:21] <ag[1] > i shouldn't have done that?
[06:21] <infinity> Which means you now get to deal with making sure daemons don't allow root authentication and other such, making it easier for people to brute-force root.
[06:22] <infinity> It also means that you're far more likely to keep open a root shell and do silly things with it.
[06:22] <infinity> While doing "sudo random-command" every time you want to run something is a subtle reminder that you might be breaking the world.
[06:23] <ag[1] > any way to undo what i did
[06:23] <infinity> But, *shrug*... It's up to you.  We don't stop you from enabling root.  I just wish 3rd party documentation wouldn't TELL people to enable it as if you absolutely must do it.  Certainly not without first discussing the pros/cons.
[06:24] <ag[1] > i c ur point, its a security threat
[06:24] <infinity> "sudo passwd -d root" would delete root's password again.
[06:24] <infinity> Though that doesn't seem to return the shadow record to factory fresh.
[06:25] <infinity> Seems to do the trick anyway.
[06:25] <ag[1] > so r u implying that it would be better to do a reinstall of unbuntu server
[06:26] <infinity> Nah.  Though, if you're just learning and breaking things anyway, you'll probably end up taking some notes, and reinstalling again in a day or two to make sure you understand what you've learned. :)
[06:26] <infinity> I don't think there's a single OS I've ever installed "just once" the first time I did it.
[06:27] <ag[1] > that was what i was going to do
[06:28] <infinity> Also, word of advice.  If you don't want to drive people on technical IRC channels completely insane, try to avoid AOL/TXTisms like "i c ur point" and "r u implying"...
[06:28] <infinity> It doesn't take much longer to type the whole word out, and we will be less likely to want to gouge our eyes out.
[06:30] <ag[1] > ok
[06:32] <ag[1] > ok now instead of using su i would use sudo [command]  right
[06:32] <infinity> Right.
[06:33] <infinity> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo <-- Might be a good read.
[06:35] <ag[1] > Sudo is no different than gksu, right?
[06:35] <infinity> gksudo, even. :)
[06:35] <infinity> (gksu and gksudo are in the same package, mind you, but one behaves like su -- asking for the root password -- the other behaves like sudo, asking for your password and obeying /etc/sudoers)
[06:38] <ag[1] > I always use "gksu apt-get [command] " in Debain
[06:41] <ag[1] > linux is very hard


[00:56] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic
[00:56] <ubot5`> linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>.48 (xenial), package size 2 kB, installed size 12 kB
[01:14] <daftykins> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[01:14] <ubot5`> linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>.48 (xenial), package size 2 kB, installed size 12 kB
[01:14] <daftykins> oops
[01:14] <daftykins> !info linux-image-generic yakkety
[01:14] <ubot5`> linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>.35 (yakkety), package size 2 kB, installed size 12 kB
[01:14] <daftykins> >:D
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:52] <Bashing-om> Hey  lotuspsychje :) .. As Always .. pleased to read ya . All goes well ?
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> hey Bashing-om great here and this side, what about you?
[05:54] <Bashing-om> Oh I am still upright, and breathing !  :D
[07:03] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: can you reach my site? lotuscomputers.be
[07:04] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: yes sir
[07:04] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[07:04] <daftykins> seems to be covered in a weird language though ;)
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> im starting to add stuff with opencart now
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> yeah, dutch for starters, when everything is done, ill do english also perhaps
[07:05] <daftykins> hehe, it's all good - just teasing
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> most of customers will be dutch :p
[07:06] <daftykins> yep!
[07:08] <lotuspsychje> im wondering if i can add images of laptops/desktops from the vendors i work with without copyright
[07:08] <lotuspsychje> this copyright thing is really anoying
[07:08] <daftykins> mmm they might have info on that
[07:09] <lotuspsychje> ive mailed them about it
[07:09] <lotuspsychje> its good for them i sell their products right?
[07:09] <lotuspsychje> why make a big deal of images
[07:10] <daftykins> *shrug* i would just be afraid of what they'd do if they did have a problem
[07:11] <lotuspsychje> lol
[07:15] <daftykins> hey lotus i got my intertubes upgraded \o/ got 10Mb upload now instead of 5 :>
[07:15] <daftykins> main ISP on the island finally started a new package :D
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> nice
[07:16] <ducasse> hi all o/
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> morning ducasse :p
[07:17] <ducasse> it's stopped snowing! \o/
[07:17] <daftykins> woo!
[07:17]  * daftykins throws a celebratory snowball
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> big rainy here
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> !info stellarium
[07:18] <ubot5`> stellarium (source: stellarium): real-time photo-realistic sky generator. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.14.3-1 (xenial), package size 4755 kB, installed size 11097 kB
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: so what your doing with the upload speed?
[07:22] <daftykins> seeding Linux ISO torrents super fast!
[07:22] <daftykins> ah it's just great for running stuff from home
[07:22] <ducasse> i think they've upgraded some hardware here, now i get more bw than i pay for :)
[07:22] <daftykins> hehe
[07:23] <lotuspsychje> cool
[07:24] <ducasse> upgrade all the things! :)
[07:24] <lotuspsychje>  HexChat: 2.10.2 ** OS: Linux 4.4.0-45-generic x86_64 ** Distro: Ubuntu "xenial" 16.04 ** CPU: 2 x AMD C-60 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics (AuthenticAMD) @ 1000MHz ** RAM: Physical: 3,6GiB, 61,0% free ** Disk: Total: 113,9GiB, 63,5% free ** VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Wrestler [Radeon HD 6290] ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HD-Audio Generic1: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB ** Ethernet: Qualcomm Atheros AR8152
[07:24] <lotuspsychje> v2.0 Fast Ethernet ** Uptime: 1h 39m 4s **
[07:25] <lotuspsychje> no network speed :p
[07:26] <daftykins> ^_^
[07:27] <daftykins> i've got an router with 866Mb 802.11ac right now
[07:27] <daftykins> i can do 40-50MB/sec realworld over it
[07:29] <daftykins> not that i rely on wifi :> cables \o/
[07:34] <ducasse> me too, but thankfully wifi is not much of a hassle here, the spectrum isn't crowded.
[07:35] <daftykins> it's not even about that, it's that the tech sucks :)
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> lol
[07:35] <ducasse> agreed, i don't trust or like it.
[07:36] <daftykins> i have a bad AP at a clients right now actually
[07:37] <lotuspsychje> i got like 50mbit for 39 euro
[07:37] <lotuspsychje> vdsl2
[07:37] <daftykins> ah same tech
[07:37] <lotuspsychje> phone/tv/internet no data limits
[07:37] <daftykins> my upgrade took the ceiling from 40 to 60 but my line sync is only 52 so that's what i see
[07:38] <lotuspsychje> breakfast time guys
[07:38] <lotuspsychje> have a nice day guys
[07:39] <ducasse> enjoy!
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[07:39] <daftykins> what are you making us? :) enjoy o/
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> lol
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> breakfast royale with champagne!
[07:39]  * ducasse wants american-style pancakes
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> with sweet honey ontop
[07:40] <ducasse> mmmmm
[07:40] <lotuspsychje> try those pancakes with ricotta cheese
[07:40] <lotuspsychje> its delicious
[07:40] <lotuspsychje> you can eat tons
[07:40] <lotuspsychje> --out--
[07:42] <ducasse> funny, this guy in #ubuntu got only one reply in precisely two minutes and decided irc is dead :)
[07:42] <daftykins> hmm they best ask for a refund!
[08:11] <Bashing-om> Well .. that time for me once more .. recuperate and do this again - later
[08:12] <daftykins> nn sir o/
[08:12] <daftykins> doh
[08:16] <ducasse> it's all crickets and tumbleweed in #ubuntu now anyway, not really worth hanging around
[08:37] <daftykins> ducasse: just this morning or regularly?
[08:44] <ducasse> in weekends, usually, and most mornings until 0930-1000 or so.
[09:10] <EriC^> guys tell me if the bug is still there in ubot5`
 wants you to know: Package bla does not exist in xenial
[09:11] <EriC^> is it?
[09:12] <EriC^> ducasse: daftykins ?
[09:13] <ducasse> EriC^: ?
[09:14] <EriC^> did ubot5` say something even though i was outside the channel?
[09:14] <ducasse> EriC^: yep
[09:14] <EriC^> ok, thanks
[09:19] <daftykins> hah
[09:21] <EriC^> one day somebody will flood the channel and make ubottu not function for a whole day
[09:21] <EriC^> and then the bug will be fixed
[09:21] <EriC^> :D
[09:22] <EriC^> i reminded them in ubuntu-ops just now, dax was informed and said he'd pass it on like a year ago though
[09:23] <daftykins> yeah, they're all useless
[09:24] <daftykins> EriC^: if someone did it though, you'd be #1 suspect!
[09:24] <EriC^> i should sell it to some guy pissed off at k1l or bazhang that has a botnet and keeps joining and flooding
[09:24] <EriC^> lol
[09:24] <EriC^> haha
[09:24] <daftykins> selling bot exploits on the black market you say? :P
[09:25] <EriC^> lol
[09:25] <EriC^> i've got a 0day..
[09:25] <EriC^> what kernels?
[09:25] <EriC^> 1.4
[09:25] <EriC^> what?
[09:25] <EriC^> ubottu.. 1.4
[09:26] <EriC^> lol
[13:20] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:11] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[14:17] <BluesKaj> 'Morning pauljw
[14:21] <pauljw> hey BluesKaj
[14:22] <BluesKaj> thick fog here, can hardly see the other side of the street
[14:25] <pauljw> bright sunshine here this morning, had some fog yesterday morning.
[14:25] <pauljw> rain coming tomorrow sometime.


[00:12] <sadmac> Keybuk: did you change any of that job class candidate stuff in light of the new memory management (beyond just making it use it. Did you change the design)?


 Is this all intended? http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt
[06:30] <pitti> Good morning
[06:33] <didrocks> doko: I don't think they are, better to check with the desktop guys. I'll just promote session-shorcuts though as now unity migrated to main
[06:33] <didrocks> good morning pitti
[06:36] <pitti> oh, consolekit wants to go out of main -- can we remove that at last?
[06:36]  * pitti goes through the rdepends
[06:40] <pitti> ah no, still some open tasks on bug 1502045
[06:40] <ubot5`> bug 1502045 in tcosmonitor (Ubuntu) "Move from consolekit to logind" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1502045
[08:53] <alexarnaud> hoy hoy hoy everybody !
[08:56] <willcooke> morning alexarnaud
[08:57] <didrocks> hey willcooke, alexarnaud!
[09:00] <willcooke> hi didrocks
[09:04] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[09:04] <Laney> morning
[09:04] <seb128> hey alexarnaud willcooke Laney
[09:04] <seb128> re didrocks ;-)
[09:04] <Laney> what's up!
[09:04] <didrocks> re seb128
[09:04] <didrocks> morning Laney!
[09:05] <seb128> Laney, tuesday starting with sun & blue sky, nice!
[09:05] <seb128> also weather was perfect for tennis yesterday (dry with no wind)
[09:06] <seb128> which was good for the match I had to play, I really enjoyed it (had a few frustating ones on previous weeks when it was very windy)
[09:06] <seb128> Laney, how about you?
[09:06] <Laney> yeah nice and clear here
[09:07] <Laney> looks a bit frosty outside :-o
[09:07] <Laney> my bike got a puncture last night so I had to leave it in the city centre :(
[09:07] <Laney> going to need to go retrieve/fix that later
[09:07] <seb128> urg
[09:08] <seb128> I hope nobody stole a part of the bike meanwhile ;-)
[09:08] <pitti> bonjour seb128, hey Laney!
[09:08] <seb128> salut pitti ! ça va bien ?
[09:08] <pitti> seb128: oui, et toi ?
[09:09] <seb128> très bien merci !
[09:09] <doko> seb128, Laney: there's a bunch of desktopish packages which want to move to universe? Is this all intended? http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt
[09:09] <pitti> seb128: are you aware of http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#gnome-icon-theme ? it doesn't promote due to some uninstallability
[09:09] <seb128> pitti, let me look, probably my fault
[09:09] <seb128> I undid the split/-full since it's universe now and not on the CD
[09:10] <seb128> I bet there is something needing -full, let me fix it
[09:10] <Laney> good morning doko
[09:11] <seb128> hey doko
[09:11] <seb128> that list looks mostly fine yes
[09:11] <seb128> feels weird to see the telepathy stack going to universe
[09:11] <pitti> did LibO lose a lot of its java libs?
[09:11] <seb128> but good, a bunch less things we actively maintain
[09:11] <pitti> but a lot of it, like bacula/eclipse looks like server seed cleanup too
[09:12] <seb128> pitti, Bjoern doesn't seem to be on IRC yet, that's a question for him
[09:12] <willcooke> seb128, pitti - he's at the dentist this morning
[09:12] <seb128> k
[09:12] <seb128> doko, webkit2gtk should stay in main though
[09:12] <seb128> Laney, is going to start that transition
[09:13] <doko> still?
[09:13] <seb128> still?
[09:13] <doko> Laney, gm.
[09:14] <doko> I thought there are two webkits in main?
[09:14] <doko> and then there is texlive-extra, exchanging a set of font packages
[09:15] <seb128> doko, right, we are moving from webkitgtk to webkit2gtk, we prepromoted it with ack from the security team, it needed to build in main to drop some universe depends it had, next we are going to switch desktop components from the old version to this one and then demote the old one
[09:16] <Laney> I'll upload something in a bit to get it off your list :-)
[09:17] <seb128> :-)
[09:17] <seb128> pitti, do you know why we didn't get a xenial langpack update yesterday?
[09:18] <pitti> seb128: because I'm building a fresh -base one right now
[09:18] <seb128> hum, k
[09:18] <pitti> I'll re-enable the cronjob after that, of course
[09:18] <seb128> so we don't know if that bug dropping some .mo files was a one off or still an issue
[09:19] <seb128> did we loose the debugging context meanwhile?
[09:19] <seb128> or do we still have logs we can use to see what's going on?
[09:19] <pitti> seb128: I looked at the logs, and they weren't helpful
[09:19] <pitti> seb128: I kept the previous langpacks though, in case they are needed for examining this
[09:19] <seb128> k, thanks
[09:19] <pitti> but the -base refresh is overdue anyway
[09:19] <seb128> that bug is not new, some domains were dropped before holidays
[09:20] <seb128> and they came back
[09:20] <seb128> so it's on and off for some reasons
[09:20] <seb128> @base, ack!
[09:20] <meetingology> seb128: Error: "base," is not a valid command.
[09:20] <pitti> @ohshutupwillya
[09:20] <meetingology> pitti: Error: "ohshutupwillya" is not a valid command.
[09:20] <pitti> are we still in a meeting? :-)
[09:20] <pitti> #endmeeting
[09:21] <pitti> (ah, can't, only the person who started it can)
[09:23] <seb128> are we?
[09:23] <seb128> #endmeeting
[09:23] <seb128> willcooke, did you forget to stop our weekly meeting previous week? ;-)
[09:23] <seb128> or is meetingology just being noisy?
[09:24] <seb128> there is no topic from the bot so I would say we are not in meeting mode
[09:24] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[09:24] <seb128> the bot is just being dumb
[09:25] <seb128> so, feature freeze coming
[09:25] <seb128> willcooke, Laney, other: opinions on gnome-logs vs gnome-system-log?
[09:25] <seb128> others
[09:25] <seb128> that's one topic
[09:26] <seb128> the other one is "do we want to keep gnome-contacts installed by default"
[09:26] <seb128> it was until previous cycle but empathy was bringing it in and we demoted that one
[09:27] <willcooke> Gnome contacts, I don't think adds a lot of value any more without a mail client to use it
[09:27] <seb128> having a contacts/addressbook application seems nice on principle but maybe it's only me who think that
[09:27] <seb128> well, it lists your google contacts
[09:28] <seb128> so it might be handy if you want to look for somebody's address or phone number
[09:28] <seb128> but yeah, maybe people do that online
[09:28] <willcooke> I expect most people to use a browser
[09:28] <seb128> k, wfm
[09:28] <didrocks> (I'm a people, and yeah, they do :p)
[09:28] <willcooke> heh
[09:28] <seb128> lol
[09:28] <seb128> people are weird
[09:28] <didrocks> heh
[09:28] <seb128> on their phone they use the app
[09:29] <seb128> why do they behave differently on 2 devices which are not that different? ;-)
[09:29] <didrocks> I guess it's because the webapps are not (yet?) up to par for most of them
[09:29] <didrocks> in term of perfs, system integration and such
[09:29] <seb128> right, same on the desktop, the app is more integrated and easier to start
[09:29] <Laney> gnome-contacts doesn't integrate with things anywhere near as well as the phone contact things do
[09:30] <seb128> I guess that statement is true now without empathy
[09:30] <seb128> I would have argued otherwise if we still had it
[09:30] <seb128> you could message or video call directly
[09:31] <seb128> same as on a phone
[09:31] <seb128> but yeah, we lack apps that plug into it now
[09:31] <Laney> yes if we were in a world where IM existed
[09:31] <seb128> k, so I guess it's a consensus to stop using it
[09:31] <Laney> on a phone you are in a world where the integrations are useful
[09:31] <Laney> imho anyway
[09:31] <seb128> yeah
[09:31] <seb128> I would still find it useful if you could e.g start an hangout directly from it
[09:32] <seb128> but I don't think you can
[09:32] <seb128> k, so that's decided
[09:32] <seb128> what about the logs?
[09:33] <willcooke> yeah.  I think people like Facebook, Google etc have worked to try and keep your contacts in "their" system separate so you choose one platform (Facebook, Google, whatever) and stick with it
[09:33] <seb128> I find the gnome-logs interfacing making it more difficult to see the logs content, the content is too small, you only see partial lines, easier to have a glance to the log in gnome-log-viewer imho
[09:33] <willcooke> lemme look at the differences re: logs
[09:34] <seb128> but maybe we could do some easy tweaks to make it better
[09:34] <seb128> or maybe it's only me ;-)
[09:35] <seb128> willcooke, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/log.png
[09:36] <seb128> that's gnome-logs on the left and gnome-system-log on the right
[09:36] <seb128> also I resized gnome-log because it opens smaller which makes for even less content (but that would be easy to change)
[09:38] <willcooke> thx seb128
[09:38] <willcooke> looking
[09:40] <seb128> in fact I think the gnome-logs way doesn't work well for how I read log, it split every line in a list item which you can click to get that line detailed view, but I don't find the detailed view to bring more, it just seem less efficient to have things splitted like that
[09:40] <willcooke> does syslog have the tabs as well, or is it just syslog?
[09:41] <seb128> "tabs"?
[09:41] <willcooke> on the left hand window, you have a pane with important, system, security etc
[09:41] <seb128> ah
[09:41] <seb128> gnome-logs has those categories and it uses the systemd journal
[09:42] <seb128> gnome-system-logs lists different known log files
[09:42] <willcooke> ah, I see
[09:42] <seb128> like xorg.0.log
[09:42] <seb128> syslog
[09:43] <willcooke> well, I'm probably living in the past here, but I prefer seeing syslog, xorg, etc as separate logs
[09:47] <seb128> same here
[09:47] <seb128> willcooke, any opinion on the readability of both?
[09:47] <willcooke> I prefer the one on the right
[09:47] <willcooke> more compact
[09:47] <seb128> k
[09:47] <willcooke> what about you?
[09:47] <seb128> same
[09:47] <willcooke> :)
[09:48] <seb128> you have content on screen and can read through the log
[09:48] <willcooke> yeah, easier to scan
[09:48] <seb128> on the left one I've the feeling I only have portion of the info
[09:48] <seb128> which is less easy to read
[09:48] <seb128> k, I guess gnome-logs might be nice once we have proper journal use
[09:49] <seb128> but it's not the case atm, we still have other logs around, the logs are not classified/tagged as well they could, etc
[09:49] <seb128> so let's keep the old one for this cycle (the one on the right on the screenshot)?
[09:54] <willcooke> agreed
[09:54] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[09:56] <seb128> willcooke, thanks
[10:37] <pitti> seb128: what was an example of a missing domain?
[10:37] <pitti> (langpacks)
[10:41] <seb128> pitti, eog evolution-3.18 evolution-data-server-3.18
[10:42] <pitti> seb128: thanks
[10:42] <seb128> yw
[10:42]  * pitti uploads the new packs then
[10:42] <seb128> \o/
[11:11] <desrt> hello peeps
[11:12] <willcooke> morning desrt
[11:15] <willcooke> just going for an early lunch, getting a hair cut
[11:15] <Laney> grade 0 all over
[11:15] <Laney> hi desrt!
[11:15] <desrt> morning laney :)
[11:15] <Laney> what is new
[11:15] <desrt> willcooke: pics!
[11:15]  * desrt is poking the glib release
[11:15] <hikiko|ln> Hi desrt + bbiab
[11:16] <desrt> hikiko|ln: g'morn
[11:18] <Laney> release day is my favourite day
[11:18] <desrt> yesterday was release day, in fact
[11:18] <desrt> but it was also a holiday
[11:25] <Laney> time for tea then some webkit2 uploads
[11:25] <Laney> eXcItInG
[11:26] <Saviq> seb128, hey, I noticed you guys reverted nautilus a few days ago, now my icons are small at Ctrl+0, when I Ctrl+=, they get bigger (as I'm used to them), but spacing gets huge, that expected? https://imgur.com/a/yU4vu
[11:34] <Sweet5hark> moin
[11:45] <desrt> Sweet5hark: hello.
[11:50] <alexarnaud> didrocks, willcooke, seb128 : how are you ?
[11:51] <alexarnaud> Sorry for the late, I'm not able to work on task and read IRC ^^
[12:03] <Mirv> seb128: can you verify the fix for the overlay scrollbar issue easily, before I copy the built packages to xenial-proposed?
[12:03] <Mirv> PPA at https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-031
[12:18] <doko> Sweet5hark, do we need that for xenial? if yes, please write a short MIR
[12:18] <doko> o fonts-stix: fonts-stix
[12:18] <doko>    [Reverse-Recommends: libreoffice-common (MAIN)]
[12:19]  * Sweet5hark checks
[12:22] <Sweet5hark> doko: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1487148 <- can we just reuse this one for the MIR
[12:22] <Sweet5hark> ?
[12:22] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1487148 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Please replace xfonts-mathml with fonts-stix in recommends" [High,Fix released]
[12:22] <doko> sure, just open a new task
[12:37] <seb128> Mirv, hey, sure, thanks for working on that
[12:37] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark desrt Saviq
[12:38] <seb128> Saviq, @spacing, yes, it's how it was before ... I've to say I sort of got used to the new layout and it felt weird going back to the old one with that much spacing
[12:38] <seb128> same for you it seems ;-)
[12:39] <seb128> Saviq, the small icons ... I think the new version wrote the change you made as default, you need to go in preferences and set that back to 100%
[12:39] <willcooke> yeah, spacing looks like that on 14.04 too.  In fact, I just measured it with a ruler, and it is the same
[12:39] <willcooke> :)
[12:40] <seb128> :-)
[12:42] <Saviq> willcooke, seb128, ok... I would've sworn I had one more column, but hey... seb128 changing the default helped, thanks!
[12:42] <seb128> yw!
[12:43] <seb128> Saviq, random internet screenshot from an old serie, http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Ptcrk3Lk4cQ/UAbJ4F7F2bI/AAAAAAAAJVI/iIMGfqpvK_8/s1600/nautilus-3.5.4-ubuntu12.10.png
[12:43] <seb128> Saviq, seems similar
[12:44] <seb128> but yeah, the tighter spacing was nice
[12:44] <seb128> just didn't play well with zoom level so they locked down to less values
[12:44] <Saviq> seb128, ah, so you mean that new nautilus had it tighter? that might be
[12:44] <seb128> Saviq, yes
[12:45] <seb128> it makes a big difference
[12:45] <seb128> Saviq, https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Hym4q2km_Zo/VmAHNvy2Q2I/AAAAAAAAINU/8Hzsp_9kIPQ/w1680-h1050/wolo.png
[12:45] <seb128> Saviq, or better, http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/ubuntu-16-04-lts-to-ship-with-older-nautilus-due-to-bugs-and-menubar-499962-2.jpg
[12:46] <Saviq> seb128, that's probably just it, then - I got used to the new spacing within the few days I had it :)
[12:46] <seb128> so yeah, old nautilus looks like lot of uneeded spaces
[12:46] <seb128> right
[12:46] <seb128> same here
[12:46] <seb128> it is better, I would have applied that change to the old version, if it was playing nicely with the zoom levels
[12:46] <seb128> which it's not, the text overlap icons and don't wrap as it should
[12:46] <seb128> which is why they limited to big icons
[12:52] <seb128> Mirv, confirmed it fixes it, thanks!
[12:53] <Mirv> seb128: thanks for testing!
[12:53] <seb128> yw!
[12:54] <seb128> willcooke, ^ btw, fix on its way for the qt/o-s issue discussed yesterday
[12:56] <willcooke> Saw that, thanks a lot seb128 & Mirv
[12:57] <seb128> yw!
[12:58] <seb128> pitti, did you say you would override the libreoffice autopkg to let it in?
[12:58] <seb128> (seems to still be blocked)
[12:58] <seb128> Sweet5hark, did you get anywhere debugging the issue, I think you said you could reproduce yesterday?
[13:01] <Sweet5hark> seb128: yeah, got adt-run to fail, Im in a shell in that machine right now. not more yet unfortunately ...
[13:01] <seb128> k, no worry
[13:05] <hikiko> I forgot to change my status after lunch \m/ :p
[13:05] <seb128> hey hikiko!
[13:05] <hikiko> hi seb128 :)
[13:11] <Sweet5hark> that I need to tmux inside a qemu instance to debug a test just feels so wrong ...
[13:12] <Sweet5hark> 1 tmux window for running libreoffice under gdb and 1 tmux window to start the out-of-process java test connecting to it ...
[13:22] <rickspencer3> willcooke, I tired to use $ubuntu-bug linux to open my bug report, but the web browser never opened into the bug report page :/
[13:22] <rickspencer3> what's a good way for me to open the bug report?
[13:22] <willcooke> rickspencer3, what's your default browser?  Chromium?  There's a bug there atm
[13:22] <rickspencer3> willcooke, Chromium, yes
[13:23] <rickspencer3> willcooke, so, temporarily change my browser to FF and try again?
[13:23] <willcooke> ^H^H^H yes please
[13:24] <rickspencer3> ok
[13:24] <rickspencer3> will do later, after my calls
[13:25] <willcooke> thanks rickspencer3
[13:26] <seb128> willcooke, do we have a bug report about that?
[13:26] <rickspencer3> you know you are a systematic team when your bug reporting tool has bug reports
[13:28] <willcooke> :)
[13:28] <willcooke> seb128, pretty sure we do, looking now...
[13:32] <rickspencer3> willcooke, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1546092
[13:32] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1546092 in linux (Ubuntu) "computer freezes frequently" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[13:33] <willcooke> thanks rickspencer3
[13:33] <rickspencer3> let me know if there is anything I can add
[13:33] <willcooke> will do, I will ask the kernel team to look first since I think that's where the problem lies
[13:35] <Sweet5hark> seb128: the root cause of the fail is simple enough: a package missing from the test env
[13:36] <seb128> Sweet5hark, which one? that should have been easy to reproduce in a pbuilder/minimal chroot env?
[13:36] <pitti> seb128: I didn't see a final yay or nay on that, but can do
[13:37] <willcooke> rickspencer3, I've added your kernel.log file and a comment to the bug report
[13:37] <seb128> pitti, oh sorry, Sweet5hark said "yes please" and I +1ed it ... so yes, please override those, it's not an actual code bug just an env problem (which it seems Sweet5hark just figured out)
[13:38] <rickspencer3> willcooke, ok, I can pull another one whenever
[13:38] <rickspencer3> I just have to keep using the computer
[13:38] <pitti> seb128: okay, done
[13:39] <willcooke> rickspencer3, if you have time, it would be interesting to see if a live 14.04 session from a USB stick has issues as well.  That could (in theory) immediately point to a hardware issue, bad RAM perhaps.  But this is a guess on my part.
[13:39] <Sweet5hark> seb128: libreoffice-sdbc-hsqldb was missing. I still have look why. Here is what I assume: rene split that out of some other package or renamed and as the dependencies of the autopackage test are manually maintained, they didnt include it ...
[13:39] <seb128> pitti, danke
[13:39] <rickspencer3> bad RAM seems like an unlikely scenario
[13:40] <rickspencer3> willcooke, ok, I'll see if I can make such a USB stick and try it if the kernel team doesn't see anything obvious
[13:40] <willcooke> rickspencer3, ack, thx
[13:40] <seb128> kernel team is likely going to first ask to try with some newer kernel from a ppa or such
[13:40] <Sweet5hark> seb128: still weird that libreoffice-base is even installable without libreoffice-sdbc-hsqldb. OTOH, strictly speaking you can use base without hsqldb (when you only use it as a frontend to e.g. postgres). I will recheck those deps though.
[13:41] <seb128> Sweet5hark, k, good that you figured it out in any case!
[13:42] <willcooke> seb128, humm.  I can't find a bug re: xdg-open.  But it's working for me on this fresh 16.04 machine.  I've mailed Chad to see what he says
[13:42] <seb128> k
[13:43] <seb128> willcooke, there is bug #1517956 assigned to Chad but I don't know if that would lead to that issue since there is no description or the user experience issue created
[13:43] <ubot5`> bug 1517956 in Xdg-utils "xdg-settings (used to) assume desktop files have exactly one Exec line" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517956
[13:46] <willcooke> seb128, hrm... well I just tried ubuntu-bug (against unity, sorry Trevinho ;) ) and it worked as expected
[13:46] <willcooke> and got an email from chad saying it was fixed a few weeks ago
[13:46] <willcooke> so....
[13:46] <willcooke> ?
[13:46] <Trevinho> :)
[13:47] <seb128> willcooke, weird
[13:47] <seb128> Trevinho, hey
[13:47] <seb128> Trevinho, how are you?
[13:47] <Trevinho> seb128: hey
[13:47] <Trevinho> seb128: ok, not too bad :)
[13:47] <Trevinho> seb128: you?
[13:48] <seb128> I'm good, thanks!
[14:41] <Trevinho> Laney: hey, got any chence to check that zeitgeist patch I did (upstart side, as seb128 was saying)?
[14:47] <Laney> Trevinho: I forgot, let me look again later or tomorrow
[14:49] <Trevinho> Laney: np, thanks
[15:01] <seb128> Trevinho, hum, my unity doesn't match nautilus (like I've a window open and it's not in alt-tab/matching the launcher icon) ... what sort of debug info would be useful? I didn't have such issues for ages, I wonder if that's a bug with the new nautilus integration code
[15:01] <Trevinho> seb128: indeed it is related to that....
[15:03] <seb128> you noticed the issue as well/got other reports?
[15:03] <Trevinho> Mh, actually I forgot to add some debuggin statements around -_-
[15:03] <Trevinho> seb128: I had once, but I thought I had fixed...
[15:04] <Trevinho> seb128: do you have some external devices / partitions there?
[15:04] <Trevinho> seb128: also the nautilus window was opened on ~/ ?
[15:13] <seb128> Trevinho, I don't have external device/partitions atm
[15:13] <seb128> I had my phone connected earlier though
[15:14] <seb128> when I click the launcher icon it opens on ~ by default
[15:14] <seb128> but I can browse any subdir it makes no difference
[15:14] <seb128> nautilus is always missing from alt-tab/not matched in the launcher
[15:14] <Trevinho> seb128: weeeird... Can you do a test build with some debugging code in FileManagerLauncherIcon::IsLocationManaged ?
[15:14] <seb128> well in that session, I didn't try restarting unity/bamf but I guess that's going to fix it
[15:14] <seb128> Trevinho, yeah, if I'm ever able to reproduce
[15:14] <seb128> it's a one time thing atm
[15:23] <Trevinho> ouch
[15:23] <seb128> ?
[15:24] <Trevinho> seb128: well, restarting bamf shouldn't fix it
[15:25] <Trevinho> seb128: the content of the dbus-property of nautilus XUbuntuOpenLocationsXids is right?
[15:26] <seb128> Trevinho, I didn't try restarting bamf or anything
[15:26] <seb128> I didn't want to screw debug state
[15:27] <Trevinho> yeah, that was a good move...
[15:27] <Trevinho> If only I included the debugging bits in there!!!! :-@
[15:27] <seb128> haha, do it now for next time somebody hits the bug
[15:29] <seb128> Trevinho, where is XUbuntuOpenLocationsXids?
[15:29] <Trevinho> seb128: on nautilus filemanager dbus api
[15:29] <seb128>  /org/freedesktop/FileManager1 has an OpenLocations
[15:29] <seb128> but that's it
[15:29] <seb128> no XUbuntuOpenLocationsXids
[15:30] <willcooke> oh, it's time already
[15:31] <seb128> yeah
[15:31] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-02-16
[15:31] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Feb 16 15:31:17 2016 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:31] <Trevinho> seb128: later, but it's a property...
[15:31] <Trevinho> seb128: also you've libxpathselect1.4 installed?
[15:31] <willcooke> Roll call: andyrock (hols), attente, desrt,  dgadomski, fjkong (out), happyaron (out), hikiko, laney, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[15:32] <Sweet5hark> heya
[15:32] <dgadomski> o/
[15:32] <hikiko> hu
[15:32] <hikiko> hi
[15:32] <happyaron> hey
[15:32] <desrt> word up
[15:32] <desrt> attente is here, but he is working very hard
[15:33] <seb128> hey
[15:33] <desrt> he's also using some weird irc client
[15:33] <attente> i get notifications on the desktop now \o/
[15:33] <willcooke> lets roll
[15:33] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:34] <attente> gnome-software ubuntu-one authentication
[15:34] <attente> gtk menus.....
[15:34] <attente> (eof)
[15:34] <willcooke> thanks very much for all your help last week attente
[15:34] <willcooke> much appreciated, and very good job
[15:34] <attente> np!
[15:35] <willcooke> attente, just sent an update email from a meeting I just had.  Might be some new stuff to work with pete-woods on, but we will see what RObert reports back
[15:35] <attente> willcooke: sure, thanks
[15:35] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:36] <desrt> hey.  had a pretty short week.
[15:36] <desrt> did a glib release this morning
[15:36] <desrt> and digging at bugs
[15:36] <desrt> working on the --app-id thing for gapplication again, since it is coming up in context of xdg-app
[15:36] <desrt> eof
[15:36] <attente> helping me with threading issues
[15:36] <willcooke> :)
[15:36] <desrt> lol
[15:36] <desrt> threading^Wrefcounting
[15:37] <willcooke> thanks desrt, hope your travels were refreshing
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:37] <dgadomski> hey
[15:37] <dgadomski> * backported a fix to bug #1545750, it has been released today
[15:37] <ubot5`> bug 1545750 in samba (Debian) "Access denied if the share path is "/"" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1545750
[15:37] <dgadomski> * got some time to return to fixing bug #1125442, no results to share yet, however
[15:37] <ubot5`> bug 1125442 in Compiz 0.9.11 "Always Visible and On Top Windows Steal Focus on Workspace Switch" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1125442
[15:37] <dgadomski> * investigating bug #1545302, can't reproduce it on Xenial, trying to reproduce on Wily to make sure Xenial already has the fix
[15:37] <ubot5`> bug 1545302 in wpa (Ubuntu) "wpa-roam broken by fix for ifupdown #1337873" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1545302
[15:37] <dgadomski> (eof)
[15:37] <willcooke> thanks a lot dgadomski
[15:37] <dgadomski> thanks
[15:37] <willcooke> let me know if you need help testing etc
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic happyaron
[15:38] <willcooke> Happy new year happyaron!
[15:38] <happyaron> hey ty!
[15:38] <happyaron> * Was on holidays most of the time
[15:38] <willcooke> :)
[15:38] <happyaron> * Fixing the crashed canonistack vm (crap died again
[15:38] <happyaron> * Ubuntu Kylin updates/seeds
[15:39] <happyaron> * Random package updates at Debian (ocserv, radcli, etc)
[15:39] <happyaron> EOF
[15:39] <willcooke> thanks happyaron
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic hikiko
[15:40] <hikiko> ezoom: I did some work and fixes on nux (the compiz part is ready). The main issue I have is related to the order of nux transformations. There are transformations like translations and others that take place in several places and make the scaled components appear misplaced if the scaling is performed before they are applied so I have to store the scaled modelview matrices and make sure that they are used at the right time (and there I have
[15:40] <hikiko> some issues with the matrix stack that are under investigation :p). Apart from this, I took some time to look at the black-dots bug and I tested 2 ideas, but none of the two fixed the bug, so I gave up for the moment.. eof
[15:40] <willcooke> thanks hikiko
[15:41] <willcooke> We should get to the csm work this week so might need some support on the shadows.  <-- Trevinho
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:41] <hikiko> sure willcooke
[15:41] <willcooke> *csd
[15:41] <Laney> • Some testing and bug fixes to appstream/appstream-glib/gnome-software/appstream-dep11 - need to send out "please improve metadata" announcement (tomorrow)
[15:41] <Laney> • Help vila with bzr and plugins patching/sponsorship
[15:41] <Laney> • webkit2 transition - prepare final packages, upload these, in progress now
[15:41] <Laney> • gnome updates: eog (now in sync!) gvfs libproxy (wk2)
[15:41] <Laney> • apply gnome-calendar/uoa fixes in Debian, that autosynced
[15:41] <Laney> • some usual wrangling of autopkgtests
[15:42] <Laney> ⍨
[15:42] <willcooke> thanks a lot Laney
[15:42] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:42] <willcooke> w/b qengho
[15:43] <qengho> Hey!
[15:43] <qengho> Not much to report yet. Some zfs stuff this morning, and some more zdg-utils bug.
[15:43] <qengho> Then, chromium snap and regular packaging. New release yesterday
[15:43] <qengho> EOF
[15:44] <willcooke> thanks qengho, sorry for the goose chase this morning.  I've done more testing and xdg open seems to be working fine.
[15:44] <qengho> xdg, Yes. that.
[15:44] <willcooke> :)
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[15:44] <seb128> hey
[15:44] <qengho> willcooke: Well, something is wrong. It's not an obvious one.
[15:44] <seb128> • some desktop updates (e-d-s, evo)
[15:44] <seb128> • helped a bit with packages blocked in xenial-proposed (libsunpinyin soname change, hsqldb1.8.0 ftfbs, ...)
[15:44] <seb128> • added an apport hook to fontconfig
[15:44] <seb128> • sponsoring (libreoffice)
[15:44] <seb128> • tested webkitgtk and gnome-software transitions
[15:44] <seb128> • debugged vlc/overlay-scrollbar xenial regression (turned out the qt patch to disable those was removed and should not)
[15:44] <seb128> • debugged/upstreamed some rhythmbox/gstreamer noise&segfault issues, then hit some other ones with daap and debugged a bit that as well
[15:44] <seb128> • working on software-properties "ask confirmation to enable proposed" changes

[15:44] <seb128> oh, also gnome-software's MIR has been approved
[15:45] <willcooke> \o/
[15:45] <willcooke> thanks seb128 #
[15:45] <seb128> so we could start including it instead of software-center
[15:45] <seb128> (I guess once Laney's appstream fixes land)
[15:45] <Laney> already did
[15:45] <Laney> there's a new version from upstream to test/include
[15:45] <Laney> but this one is already ok
[15:46] <seb128> k, I didn't see an upload on -changes
[15:46] <seb128> weird
[15:46] <seb128> but thanks for fixing it ;-)
[15:46] <Laney> appstream-glib
[15:47] <seb128> Laney, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/appstream-glib/+changelog ... is that the wrong component?
[15:47] <Laney> assuming I uploaded it
[15:47] <seb128> let's sort that out after the meeting
[15:47] <seb128> no need to discuss that here
[15:47] <willcooke> thanks chaps
[15:47] <seb128> yw!
[15:47] <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> - trusty and precise patch backports (sigh)
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> - some new insights into snapcraft build/toolchain weirdness and failure, still need more nailing down though
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> - ran circles to fix the autopkgtest fail, was a missing dependency in the test package
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> -- (I wasted way too much time on getting the test setup for the above unfortunately, will promise to not be this clumsy next time)
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> - upstream release and fix coordination (firefighting mode)
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> EOF
[15:48] <willcooke> thanks Sweet5hark
[15:48] <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
[15:48] <willcooke> * Prepared changes to ubiquity and casper for new a11y profile work, still waiting for a11y-profile-manager to get into the archive so I can start landing other pieces and file an MIR... May have to file an FFE since we are getting close. All the coding is done, it just has to all be landed.
[15:48] <willcooke> * Still got to get Orca patched to work with gsettings out of the box, should be able to get that done in plenty of time.
[15:49] <willcooke> looks like we lost Till
[15:49] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[15:50] <Trevinho> · prepared branches and landing for indicator-sound unity-lens-applications unity-lens-video unity-scope-· home doko patches for libgee-0.8
[15:50] <Trevinho> · Some random fixes and improvements to unity theming
[15:50] <Trevinho> · Looking at improving the matching of steam games in BAMF (valve seems interested in that)
[15:50] <Trevinho> · Working on getting hikiko patch working with gtk apps.
[15:50] <Trevinho>  /EOF
[15:50] <willcooke> thanks Trevinho,
[15:50] <willcooke> are we on track to land csd fixes this week?
[15:51] <Trevinho> trying to
[15:51] <willcooke> thanks!
[15:51] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[15:51] <willcooke> - GNOME Software work
[15:51] <willcooke> - simple-scan 3.19.90 release
[15:51] <willcooke> - At snappy sprint
[15:51] <willcooke> #topic willcooke
[15:51] <willcooke> Reviews!
[15:51] <willcooke> I'm going through my ones now.  Hoping to have them all done by EOW
[15:52] <willcooke> g-s herding
[15:52] <willcooke> I'm out at MWC next week
[15:52] <willcooke> all week
[15:52] <willcooke> Seb can be mother
[15:53] <willcooke> and then I'll get back on to theme fixes
[15:53] <Trevinho> :-)
[15:53] <willcooke> in other news, I spilled Coke on my U key
[15:53] <willcooke> #topic any other business
[15:53] <Sweet5hark> seb128: mother? are we there yet?
[15:53] <willcooke> Sweet5hark, don't start, or he'll turn this channel around and we'll all go back home
[15:53] <seb128> lol
[15:53] <attente> wondering if we can upload maliit-inputcontext-gtk before FF?
[15:54] <seb128> attente, it's your lucky day, Laney is having his sponsoring shift today ;-)
[15:54] <Laney> no
[15:54] <attente> :D
[15:54] <attente> D:
[15:55] <seb128> unlucky!
[15:55] <desrt> random AOB aside:
[15:55] <seb128> do you have a bug in the sponsoring queue?
[15:55] <desrt> does anyone know a good way to bribe laney?
[15:55] <Laney><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:55] <Laney> tomorrow
[15:55] <attente> no, should i file one?
[15:55] <Laney> but seriously if it's a new package
[15:56]  * seb128 shakes the fist at eds
[15:56] <Laney> that is not a simple sponsoring item
[15:56] <seb128> attente, that would be better
[15:56] <attente> ok
[15:56] <seb128> desrt, no, Laney is not to be bribed, he fights for what he thinks is right
[15:57] <Laney> what's right are fat wads of cash
[15:57] <seb128> :-)
[15:57] <Laney> I want a canal boat
[15:57]  * desrt thought so ;)
[15:57] <Laney> that is right too
[15:57] <seb128> you can try to send some cats his way as well
[15:57] <Laney> oh yeah, a trip to the cat boat in amsterdam
[15:58] <Sweet5hark> Laney: you get your canal boat right after my helicopter and when we all speak french to make seb happy
[15:58] <seb128> :-)
[15:58] <seb128> willcooke, I think it's a wrap? ;-)
[15:58] <willcooke> thanks all
[15:58] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[15:58] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Feb 16 15:58:44 2016 UTC.
[15:58] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2016/ubuntu-desktop.2016-02-16-15.31.moin.txt
[15:58] <seb128> thanks!
[15:59] <Laney> oh yeah I'm uploading as-glib with the upstream patch nwo
[15:59] <Laney> ;-)
[15:59] <seb128> haha
[15:59] <seb128> thanks ;-)
[15:59] <seb128> Laney, willcooke, do we feel ready to do the seed change or should we get a call for testing or another round of "try on a daily image" before?
[16:00]  * Laney would prefer to defer to robert_ancell
[16:00] <seb128> it's going to have some rough edges still but we better switch now that wait for it to be perfect
[16:00] <Laney> good to get it in before FF imho though
[16:00] <seb128> +1
[16:01] <willcooke> yeah, before FF for sure, but I think let's see if Robert is happy (I think he will be)
[16:01] <Laney> I'm off out for a bit, got to go rescue my bike and do some errands and also eat my face off since I skipped lunch
[16:02] <willcooke> bon chance Laney
[16:02]  * Laney is going to take a track pump on the bus
[16:02] <Laney> probably get me beaten up for being a weirdo
[16:02] <Laney> so it's been nice knowing you all
[16:04] <seb128> Laney, have fun!
[16:14] <qengho> cking: Hi hi. What do you think of the patch here for zfs-linux? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zfs-linux/+bug/1527727
[16:14] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1527727 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "grub-probe for zfs assumes all devices prefix with /dev, ignoring /dev/disk/..." [Medium,In progress]
[16:15] <cking> qengho, i've not had time to get around to that, it's on my todo list
[16:17] <qengho> cking: I got feedback from pxtti. I'm trying a new approach this morning. This is uploaded 2 minuts ago: "Fix" zfs zpool, and make grub do less guessing.
[16:18] <cking> qengho, indeed, that's why I've not got around to it yet, I will eyeball it, but I'm knee deep in other fs issues at the mo
[16:20] <qengho> cking: right. later.
[17:09] <qengho> cking, pitti: updated grub and zfs-linux debdiffs suggested in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zfs-linux/+bug/1527727
[17:09] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1527727 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "grub-probe for zfs assumes all devices prefix with /dev, ignoring /dev/disk/..." [Medium,In progress]
[17:11]  * qengho food, brb
[17:19] <seb128> willcooke, want to "wget http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/SoftwarePropertiesGtk.py; sudo cp SoftwarePropertiesGtk.py /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/softwareproperties/gtk/" and try to enable proposed from software-properties-gtk and tell me what you think?
[17:20] <willcooke> seb128, sure thing.  In a meeting, gimme an hour or so
[17:20] <seb128> no hurry, tomorrow works as well
[17:20] <willcooke> I'l have forgotten by then
[17:21] <willcooke> meh, "wlp3s0" is much less friendly than wlan0
[17:21] <willcooke> grumble
[17:27] <willcooke> seb128, both buttons seem to cancel
[17:27] <willcooke> i.e. "Enable" ==
[17:27] <willcooke> sys:1: PyGIWarning: Gtk was imported without specifying a version first. Use gi.require_version('Gtk', '3.0') before import to ensure that the right version gets loaded.
[17:27] <willcooke> ERROR:root:Authentication canceled, changes have not been saved
[17:27] <willcooke> ERROR:root:Authentication canceled, changes have not been saved
[17:27] <willcooke> ERROR:root:Authentication canceled, changes have not been saved
[17:28] <Sweet5hark> pitti: thx!
[17:28] <pitti> Sweet5hark: ah, did it land now?
[17:29] <pitti> so it did
[17:29] <Sweet5hark> pitti: yep, and it did and surprise me when I updated in one of my VMs ;)
[17:29] <seb128> willcooke, hum, weird ... that error/callback is when the polkit auth fail, not to do with my change afaik
[17:30] <willcooke> seb128, ahhhh
[17:30] <willcooke> you know what
[17:30] <willcooke> I'm running it over SSH and DISPLAY=:0
[17:30] <willcooke> lemme run it locally
[17:30] <willcooke> sorry
[17:30] <pitti> Sweet5hark: did it? it only published 14 minutes ago, i. e. it's probably not even on the mirrors yet
[17:31] <willcooke> seb128, works!
[17:31] <willcooke> seb128, ship it
[17:32] <Sweet5hark> pitti: hmm, maybe you're right, but it makes a better story ;) (I started libreoffice, was confused about a feature, looked up the version 5.1 and went to launchpad to look if it had landed).
[17:32] <seb128> willcooke, :-)
[17:39] <seb128> willcooke, k ;-) I'm merge proposed it as https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/software-properties/dialog-enable-proposed/+merge/286213 and asked for review from Laney (I don't think mvo does much review on that project nowadays)
[17:39] <seb128> willcooke, feel free to +1 if you are fine with it
[17:39] <willcooke> thanks seb128, I'll drop ara a quick note too
[17:40] <seb128> willcooke, thanks
[17:42] <willcooke> seb128, just pondering some text along the lines of
[17:42] <willcooke> "Enabling this repository may introduce instability"
[17:43] <willcooke> seb128, let me run it past John Lea
[17:43] <seb128> willcooke, feel free to suggest strings, I just copied the text from the wiki
[17:46] <seb128> oh, a robert_ancell ;-)
[18:16] <willcooke> hrm
[18:17] <willcooke> looks like someone is trying to hack in to my IRC account
[18:17] <willcooke> lots of failed logins
[18:17] <willcooke> popey, around?
[18:22] <qengho> willcooke: where do you see log-in count?
[18:23] <popey> willcooke: for you, always
[18:23] <willcooke> xx
[18:23] <willcooke> I see this:
[18:23] <willcooke> -NickServ- YOUHAVEGOODPW!~YOUHAVEGO@2001:67c:1350:104::20 failed to login to willcooke.  There have been 7 failed login
[18:23] <willcooke> should I report it or something?
[18:23] <popey> maybe ask in #freenode
[18:23] <willcooke> thanks popey
[18:24] <popey> oh
[18:24] <popey> i see others talking about it in there right now
[18:27] <popey> that channel is a right cesspit
[18:28] <willcooke> yeah, was gonna say
[18:28] <willcooke> I might as well have written my question on a Frisbee and flung it over a rainbow
[18:31] <qengho> willcooke: That low is probably someone with a few passwords in search of accounts that use them. You should be safe if you have something hard to guess. If You are YOU.
[18:32] <willcooke> muha ha ha
[18:32] <willcooke> good call qengho, thx
[18:36] <willcooke> the old qengho hit and run ;)
[18:39] <qengho> willcooke: almost certainly a troll, right?
[18:40] <willcooke> :)
[18:43] <seb128> have a good evening!
[18:52] <willcooke> see ya se
[18:52] <willcooke> oh
[18:52] <willcooke> it's the thought that counts
[19:20] <Sweet5hark> soo were is the launchpad project/DSCM etc. for http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/ubuntu.xenial/desktop ?
[19:25] <willcooke> dinner time, g'night all
[19:45] <Sweet5hark> (found it)