[08:38] <randabis-laptop> goes even faster with prelinking
[08:38] <randabis-laptop> Dreamer3 hoary :p
[08:38] <Dreamer3> i don't see it in my repository
[08:38] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: hmmmmmmmmm
[08:38] <Dreamer3> well, if it's not broken don't fix it then i suppose
[08:38] <gsuveg> Phoenix_vanity: ext3
[08:38] <randabis-laptop> warty froze with <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:40] <randabis-laptop> you could probably roll your own 2.6.10 if you want to
[08:41] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: i'll live with <IP_ADDRESS> for now
[08:41] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: i'm wanting to evalute stock ubuntu against my tuned debian
[08:41] <Dreamer3> an i going to have to enable universe for most things?
[08:42] <Agrajag> yeah pretty much
[08:42] <randabis-laptop> you'll want universe yeah
[08:42] <Agrajag> and multiverse for nonfree
[08:42] <Dreamer3> no epiphany
[08:42] <Dreamer3> hmmm
[08:42] <Zotnix> Probably in universe
[08:42] <randabis-laptop> it'll give you debian sarge stuff
[08:42] <gsuveg> what gnome is now in hoary?
[08:42] <Zotnix> 2.9.90
[08:42] <randabis-laptop> 2.9.90
[08:42] <randabis-laptop> :)
[08:42] <randabis-laptop> poo
[08:43] <gsuveg> thanks
[08:43] <Zotnix> :-p
[08:43] <Dreamer3> i'm downloading a 686 kernel now, but darn does the 386 kernel feel fast
[08:44] <Dreamer3> too bad i'm giong to have to replace the stock xfree86
[08:44] <randabis-laptop> why?
[08:44] <Zotnix> Xorg is in hoary
[08:44] <Dreamer3> i this blue bakground looks bad in only 16-bit
[08:44] <Dreamer3> brown i mean
[08:44] <randabis-laptop> it looks bad at any bitrate imho
[08:45] <Angel66> i just installed ubuntu a few days ago and everything was going great but now it hardlocks on startup.  This was after a few apt-get upgrades.  Anyone else have issue and post a fix on msg boards?
[08:45] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: i use the xorg from freedesktop.net with custom DRI builds for DRI support on my savage :)
[08:45] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: they provide daily snapshots
[08:46] <randabis-laptop> hmm cool
[08:46] <Dreamer3> i mean this feels snappy, but it's not DRI... 75fps vs 400
[08:46] <randabis-laptop> yeah
[08:46] <Dreamer3> i really want to know what CFLAGS were used
[08:46] <Dreamer3> things feel VERY snappy
[08:47] <Dreamer3> i want to know if something is different or i'm just running nothing in the background that makes it so fast
[08:47] <randabis-laptop> I dunno, but the ubuntu devs rock lolz
[08:47] <randabis-laptop> hoary is even faster than warty imho
[08:51] <Orcrist> arglebargle... just spent an hour stripping and recompiling a kernel on a very old p2 box only to find out I selected the wrong ethernet module... I picked one for the isa version of the card lol
[08:51] <Dreamer3> things feel VERY snappy
[08:51] <Dreamer3> i want to know if something is different or i'm just running nothing in the background that makes it so fast
[08:52] <Orcrist> Angel, are you mixing warty and hoary packages?  bad idea
[08:52] <Orcrist> someone needs to put it in the topic:  If you're mixing hoary packages in with warty you, sir, are on your own
[08:55] <goldfish> will apt-get install mozilla-firefox not work?
[08:55] <goldfish> i was told to do that
[08:55] <goldfish> to get 1.0
[08:55] <Dreamer3> goldfish: ah, is the newer version availalbE?
[08:55] <goldfish> I think so.
[08:55] <randabis> backports is kinda :/
[08:55] <Dreamer3> goldfish: havne't gotten any updates yet... just downloading kernel now
[08:55] <goldfish> ah right
[08:55] <randabis> you'll have problems upgrading to hoary if you use backports
[08:55] <Dreamer3> goldfish: wanting to put this thru it's paces... decide if i want to keep it before i mess too much
[08:55] <Dreamer3> randabis: why? :)
[08:55] <goldfish> heh
[08:56] <randabis> Dreamer3, because the maintainer of the ubuntu backports project does not version his packages correctly
[08:56] <Dreamer3> randabis: that was my guess :)
[08:56] <randabis> why he doesn't follow the standards is beyond me
[08:56] <Dreamer3> randabis: and hoary just won't upgrade some of them, that's the problem?
[08:57] <Dreamer3> randabis: is 1.0 in warty?
[08:57] <randabis> 1.0 is not in warty
[08:57] <randabis> it's 1.0PR
[08:57] <randabis> or .99
[08:57] <Dreamer3> randabis: right now i have 0.93
[08:57] <gsuveg> .93
[08:57] <Dreamer3> before any updates
[08:59] <Dreamer3> how can i get a computer icon on my desktop?
[08:59] <Angel66> Orcrist: how can i tell?
[08:59] <Angel66> Orcrist: this is my first experience with a deb based system
[08:59] <gsuveg> Dreamer3: with gconf
[09:01] <Dreamer3> hmmmm
[09:01] <Dreamer3> weird
[09:02] <randabis> xfce4 is in universe
[09:02] <randabis> I like 4.2 better though
[09:02] <Dreamer3> randabis: yeah, i had 4.2 on debian
[09:02] <Dreamer3> but if gnome is this fast....
[09:04] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: so, get firefox direct from mozilla, not backports?
[09:04] <Dreamer3> hoary will be nice... i'm tired of fetching my software from all over the internet :)
[09:06] <Dreamer3> i hate how slow my internet is
[09:07] <Dreamer3> anyone?
[09:08] <guptan> how can I change gdm welcome screen display resolution?
[09:08] <Dreamer3> guptan: it should be the same as your X resolution
[09:08] <guptan> Dreamer3, it is not
[09:09] <Dreamer3> guptan: interesting
[09:09] <Dreamer3> guptan: never seen that
[09:09] <Dreamer3> guptan: but then i've only used gdm for 30 minutes :)
[09:09] <guptan> Dreamer3, same system I have fedora too, but ubuntu always having a higher resolution for GDM
[09:10] <guptan> Dreamer3, what is ur login manager then?
[09:10] <Dreamer3> guptan: interesting
[09:10] <Dreamer3> guptan: i never used one before :)
[09:10] <Dreamer3> guptan: good old startx
[09:10] <Orcrist> Angel66, did you change your repositories before you did the apt-get upgrades?  if you changed 'warty' to 'hoary' in your sources.list file, then you're mixing packages... if that's not the case you have a different problem
[09:10] <guptan> oh, im not that comfortable with startx
[09:11] <FAST> does anyone have suggestions for me?  fat32 external firewire hard drive and samba not being ableto access it : http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=14386
[09:11] <guptan> Dreamer3, sadly I have this problem in hoary too
[09:11] <Dreamer3> guptan: i'm sure it's something easy, but i haven't the foggiest
[09:12] <Dreamer3> guptan: so far ubuntu is working like a charm for me
[09:12] <guptan> I wish I had the same
[09:12] <Jimbob> FAST: what's the ownership/permissions on /media/sda1?
[09:12] <Dreamer3> guptan: wrong resolution doesn't sound like a deadly sin, especialy when it's too high :)
[09:13] <Dreamer3> guptan: i've heard much worse :)
[09:13] <FAST> Jimbob, 'mount' gives this: /dev/sda1 on /media/sda1 type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,sync,uid=1000,gid=1000)
[09:13] <FAST> somehow i need to remove that 'noexec' part !!  cant figure it out
[09:13] <guptan> Dreamer3, I know. But this one having a high resolution in wrong refresh rate, so kind of ill effect on me
[09:14] <Dreamer3> guptan: ah
[09:14] <Jimbob> FAST: Why do you need to remove that part?
[09:14] <Dreamer3> guptan: could try copying hte refresh lines from your working fedora to ubunut
[09:14] <Dreamer3> guptan: for XFree x.org config file
[09:14] <guptan> hmm I can give a try
[09:14] <FAST> Jimbob, could you look at the thread i made regarding my problem?  i need to allow execution for all users on the folder
[09:15] <newubuntu> is it possible to install ubuntu from the Hoary LiveCD? if so, how?
[09:15] <guptan> FAST, remove uid=xxxx
[09:15] <Orcrist> newubuntu... liveCD installs are not possible yet
[09:15] <FAST> guptan,  how?     the drive is automounted when plugged in(turned on)
[09:15] <Orcrist> the liveCD's are actually ubuntu-flavored morphix
[09:16] <newubuntu> ah, so the (currently) only way is with the warty install CD?
[09:17] <guptan> can u tell me how your /etc/fstab describes about /dev/sda1
[09:17] <guptan> newubuntu, i think hoary has a install cd
[09:17] <FAST> guptan, there is no entry for  /dev/sda1  in the fstab
[09:18] <guptan> FAST, then umount /dev/sda1 and mount it again manualy, or try adding an entry in /etc/fstab
[09:18] <FAST> what should the entry be for it in fstab  (umask, etc) ?
[09:18] <newubuntu> guptan, I couldn't find a Hoary install CD, only the LiveCD, I'll look again
[09:19] <guptan> FAST, /dev/sda1 /place/to/mount auto default 0 0, this should work, u can refer to manuals if u require more control over ur device
[09:20] <Angel66> Orcrist: i uncommented some stuff but never changed any lines. I think i am just going to have to reinstall :\
[09:20] <guptan> FAST, its always good to use uid=username for easy access
[09:21] <FAST> gup, could you look at the thread i made about this? the link is here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=14386
[09:21] <FAST> guptan,
[09:21] <pepperpot> is there a package for gstreamer monkey audio?
[09:21] <guptan> newubuntu, see this link for hoary: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-4/
[09:21] <newubuntu> thanks, I can
[09:21] <newubuntu> er, can
[09:22] <newubuntu> argh! Can't find a hoary installer, I'll visit that url, thanks
[09:22] <Orcrist> Angel, you could always revert or uninstall those packages... unless they're really major
[09:22] <Angel66> how would i revert?
[09:23] <Angel66> if i was more familar with this package managment I am sure this would be second nature
[09:23] <Orcrist> to revert a package is a little tricker... because I'm pretty sure apt checks its cache and says 'sorry you ahve this super-new version'
[09:23] <Orcrist> so you'd have to get an older version, then force install it
[09:24] <crypticreign> a lot of my icons are gone, and my industrial theme is gone.. on hoary.. i just did an apt-get upgrade
[09:24] <Orcrist> which would probably break things worse
[09:25] <Angel66> well would take about 30 min to reinstall and i have no data on this machine at all
[09:25] <Orcrist> crypti, if you put your theme in ~/.themes then it'll still be there
[09:25] <Orcrist> lol you probably are better off just reinstalling then angel
[09:25] <Orcrist> at least you know that will work for sure :)
[09:25] <Angel66> i hope
[09:25] <crypticreign> Orcrist: these are the default gnoome desktop icons and the industrial theme that comes default that are gone
[09:25] <Angel66> i have been running gentoo on the machine
[09:25] <Orcrist> oh
[09:25] <Orcrist> strange
[09:25] <Angel66> but compiling and laptop just doesn't make me happy
[09:26] <Angel66> I first tried warty back when it came out but it locked during init
[09:26] <Angel66> so figured i would hold off till warty was out
[09:26] <|QuaD-> anyone have beagle workign on their machine?
[09:26] <guptan> FAST, try giving full access permission to everyone for that folder, use chmod
[09:26] <alka_trash> Hey all!
[09:26] <FAST> guptan, i've tried that before.  apparently chmod doesnt' work on fat32 drives???
[09:26] <FAST> i tried   sudo chmod a+x /media/sda1
[09:27] <FAST> nothing changed though
[09:27] <Orcrist> I don't think you can chmod a folder that's mounted noexec and have it work like that
[09:27] <guptan> FAST, yeah its true
[09:27] <Orcrist> I think it needs to be remounted
[09:27] <FAST> is there a way that i can change the settings for automounting the drive? that way i can remove the noexec part ?
[09:27] <guptan> FAST, add a manual entry to /etc/fstab
[09:28] <Orcrist> is it set up in fstab?
[09:28] <FAST> originally no entry in fstab
[09:28] <FAST> i let linux mount it automatically
[09:28] <alka_trash> Does anyone know how to edit menus in gnome with hoary ( gnome <IP_ADDRESS>) ?  I use to know how to do it, but it's changed again.  :(
[09:28] <Orcrist> ahh, hotplug
[09:28] <FAST> yes, is there a way to change the hotplug settings for automounting it?
[09:28] <Orcrist> just try remounting it by hand then
[09:28] <Orcrist> I dunno... not that experienced with hotplug
[09:29] <JimSleep> FAST: hald is what's mounting it, not hotplug
[09:29] <tuananh> hi all, does anyone know how to install an downloaded deb package?
[09:29] <Orcrist> I imagine (like everything else) there's a config
[09:29] <FAST> hmmm
[09:29] <Orcrist> tuananh use dpkg -i packagename.deb
[09:29] <guptan> tuananh, use dpkg
[09:29] <alka_trash> tuananh: "dpkg -i package-name-deb" ( with root ) \
[09:29] <tuananh> ok thanks
[09:29] <tuananh> let me try
[09:29] <tuananh> I thought apt-get is the tool, hence could not figure out how
[09:30] <FAST> because i would like to leave the fstab without an entry for it. and have the hotplug business take care of automounting it with permissions for execution allowed.   (because i turn off/on the drive as i wish...)
[09:30] <alka_trash> okay now how does one edit gnome menus in <IP_ADDRESS>  :)
[09:30] <Orcrist> lol apt can install things as well, but it's more of a repository/package tracking/searching/updating/installing tool
[09:30] <Orcrist> apt-get rather
[09:31] <JimSleep> FAST: AFAIK, if you manually add an entry for /dev/sda1 into fstab, it will mount it using that entry.
[09:31] <JimSleep> FAST: However, it must be the first scsi disk plugged in for that to work properly.
[09:31] <Orcrist> what's hald?
[09:32] <tuananh> Orcrist: I still don't understand what is the boundary between apt and dpkg
[09:32] <JimSleep> Orcrist: http://hal.freedesktop.org/
[09:32] <Orcrist> tuananh, they're different programs
[09:33] <FAST> JimSleep, it's an external firewire drive
[09:33] <JimSleep> Orcrist: apt is a frontend to dpkg that integrates it with the available package lists.
[09:33] <Orcrist> there are probably 5 different ways to install programs with debian... dpkg, dselect, apt, apt-get, aptitude, synaptic
[09:33] <JimSleep> FAST: Yeah, but the kernel treats it like a scsi device.
[09:33] <FAST> JimSleep, i have unmounted the drive, and the entry is now in /etc/fstab
[09:33] <guptan> tuananh, apt is a package manager, dpkg can be roughly described as package installer
[09:33] <Orcrist> apt/apt-get are dpkg extensions
[09:33] <FAST> how do i mount it now
[09:33] <FAST> ?
[09:33] <Orcrist> but can be run separately
[09:33] <Orcrist> yeah, waht jim said
[09:33] <JimSleep> FAST: "mount /media/sda1"
[09:33] <tuananh> isn't it confusing :)
[09:34] <JimSleep> tuananh: Have you used windows update before?
[09:34] <thoreauputic> tuananh: at first ;)
[09:34] <guptan> tuananh, compare it with windows installer and add remove programs
[09:34] <JimSleep> tuananh: apt is like the windows update website.
[09:34] <tuananh> yeah
[09:34] <tuananh> after so long now I found Ubuntu
[09:34] <Orcrist> tuananh, synaptic is a program that can handle just about all that... it's a frontend in your desktop... very nice
[09:34] <JimSleep> tuananh: dpkg is like the "InstallShield" thing that actually puts the software on your computer.
[09:35] <Orcrist> it uses the other programs to get to the same point with packages
[09:35] <newubuntu> guptan, thanks for the URL, downloading is almost finished, so I'll burn it and install, and hopefully be back as kumasan :)
[09:35] <FAST> JimSleep, '/dev/sda1 /media/sda1 auto default 0 0'  is in fstab, but i am getting mount error: "mount: you must specify the filesystem type"
[09:35] <tuananh> I have used Gentoo for a while but compiling to just too much ;)
[09:35] <JimSleep> Orcrist: Sorry, try http://hal.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software_2fhal for what hald is/does
[09:36] <Orcrist> cool, thanks Jim
[09:36] <JimSleep> FAST: Umm, instead of "auto" try "vfat" and see if that works.
[09:36] <deathcrow> wondering what the command was to install apps i tried the ol debian style apt-get install bitchx but seems not to work anyone?
[09:36] <eskilo> night gang
[09:36] <Orcrist> oh, its' a hardware abstraction layer
[09:36] <Orcrist> d means it's a daemon then?
[09:36] <thoreauputic> deathcrow: try sudo apt-get install
[09:36] <guptan> FAST, make sure u mention udi=username when manualy mounting /dev/sda1
[09:36] <JimSleep> Orcrist: Yeah
[09:37] <guptan> uid=username*
[09:37] <deathcrow> E: Couldn't find package bitchx
[09:37] <FAST> JimSleep, okay i changed to vfat and tried to mount and got this: "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, or too many mounted file systems"
[09:37] <Jimbob> FAST: Hmm
[09:37] <FAST> guptan, can you type an example of how it should look?
[09:39] <guptan> make sure u have unmounted it, then #mount auto -o uid=username /dev/sda1 /mount/location
[09:39] <deathcrow> isnt there an apt search command to see if the ubuntu mirror has bitchx :/
[09:40] <FAST> guptan, that gave a screen of information about mount (not info/man)
[09:40] <FAST> usage info
[09:41] <goldfish> Emm... n00b question, I have installed ssh, but I want to get rid of it, how do i do this?
[09:41] <Jimbob> "mount -t auto -o uid=username /dev/sda1 /media/sda1" <-- the "-t" was missing.
[09:41] <FAST> ok that worked
[09:41] <guptan> oh im sorry
[09:41] <FAST> now i have to see if samba can see it
[09:41] <FAST> access
[09:42] <guptan> first check whether u can access or not ;)
[09:42] <Jimbob> goldfish: You can go into the "Package Manager" (synaptic), then use "Search" to find ssh, and remove the one with the green-box status icon.
[09:42] <goldfish> Jimbob: ok, thanks
[09:42] <steve_> I am adding a source to my list, what is the address for the marillet one
[09:42] <badflop> heyo
[09:42] <FAST> yes i can access it normally right now
[09:42] <Jimbob> (right-click->"Remove with configuration" or something aong those lines)
[09:42] <badflop> was is sup?
[09:43] <Jimbob> erm, "along"
[09:43] <badflop> check out my chatlog http://www.sexyandfunny.com/j13.shtml
[09:43] <steve_> Jimbob do you have it in your sourcelist
[09:44] <Jimbob> steve_: Nope, sorry
[09:44] <steve_> then what did you use to get the libdvdcss
[09:44] <Jimbob> I don't have a (working) DVD player on my box
[09:44] <Jimbob> http://debian.video.free.fr/
[09:44] <Jimbob> erm, "in", I should say
[09:45] <Jimbob> The sources are on that page, though (thx to google).
[09:45] <steve_> thanks, I will try
[09:45] <Jimbob> steve_: You probably want the "unstable"/"sid" sources.
[09:46] <steve_> is your source more stable jimbob
[09:46] <roop> Can anyone tell me how to get wxPython installed on Ubuntu?
[09:46] <Jimbob> steve_: "my source"?
[09:46] <steve_> debian.video
[09:46] <Jimbob> Oh, no, that page simply describes the actual sources
[09:47] <Jimbob> steve_: I mean that you should probably use the "unstable" sources listed on that page.
[09:47] <steve_> cool thanks
[09:48] <Jimbob> np
[09:49] <FAST> well.... now samba doesn't appear to be working at all....  cant even see my computer listed in the network
[09:49] <mojo__> hello. I just had a very strange problem.  My computer was freezing up, and would come back for short 'spurts' then freeze. It got pretty bad but I didn't want to lose data so I fought it until I could get a text console login and shut down.
[09:50] <jk_work> Does ubuntu support Arher
[09:50] <pestil> mojo__: that happens sometimes. if you wait enough time it will be responsive again. it happens especially in KDE
[09:50] <mojo__> I had some very strange error messages on the screen as it shut down, something about out of memroy? (I have a gig of ram and 1.5x that in swap!).  How can I get to my 'shutdown' log messages to investigate?
[09:50] <jk_work> Does ubuntu support Atheros wireless out of the box?
[09:50] <pestil> mojo__: In my experience, configuring swap file or adding RAM helps a bit
[09:50] <jk_work> Does it support Wacom Graphire tablets out of the box?
[09:51] <alka_trash> jk_work: mine, works, the only thing that I had to do is get the firmware
[09:51] <alka_trash> jk_work: what is the model of your wireless?
[09:51] <mojo__> How can I look at the log to know exactly what it was saying to me????  it is not in dmesg
[09:51] <pestil> mojo__: if you have that much ram, then somn' defintely is screwed there
[09:52] <roop> again re: wxPython - it's not listed under synaptic and the wxpython site itself doesn't have any ubuntu packages
[09:52] <mojo__> pestil: my point.  among all kinds of errors about (I think!) bad cached pages or something, it scrolled a message about firefox being out of memory???  I want to see that log.  It was all spewed to the main text console as I shut down
[09:53] <jk_work> alka_trash: Hmm. The machine is at home
[09:53] <jk_work> DWL-650, I think
[09:53] <pestil> mojo__: tbh, I'm not sure where ff log is. perhaps in .mozilla or in /var
[09:53] <jk_work> Anyway, it works with the madwifi driver, but with Debian,
[09:53] <jk_work> I have to build it myself.
[09:54] <robsta> when upgrading warty -> hoary (reiserfs) is there a way to convert the partition when it's mounted?
[09:54] <pestil> mojo__: did you have many tabs open at the moment, or had been running ff for a long time? what ff vresion do you have
[09:54] <mojo__> pestil: you got it wrong... not a Firefox log... SYSTEM log of shutdown messages, like dmesg has of boot-up messages.  Where is THAT file???
[09:54] <Jimbob> robsta: What is it partitioned under now, ext3?
[09:54] <robsta> Jimbob: reiserfs
[09:54] <FAST> anyone wanna guess why i cant see this computer in the smb:///  place now ?
[09:54] <mojo__> pestil: it is possible that ffox *caused* the problem. the ffox line in the messages caught my eye.  BUT... it is not a ffox log i'm talkin about.
[09:54] <Jimbob> robsta: So what needs to be converted?
[09:55] <Jimbob> robsta: It should "Just Work(tm)"
[09:55] <robsta> Jimbob: it told me about a backup block format change
[09:55] <alka_trash> jk_work: my bad,  I was talking about the wrong computer, anyhow I do have that card for my laptop and it work fine, with no extra firmware.  Have you tried to plug it in yet?
[09:55] <pestil> mojo__:  I cant tell you were that particular log is. I know that a standar place for logs is /var
[09:55] <Jimbob> robsta: Mmmm.
[09:56] <pestil> mojo__: perhaps subterrific or someone can help you here
[09:56] <mojo__> pestil: np.  I know it's prob. in /var just don't know which one.  Hoped someone did.
[09:56] <jk_work> alka_trash: Yeah, it works with sid and self-built driver/kernel
[09:56] <jk_work> Just wanted to know if Ubuntu prebuilt kernels would be
[09:56] <jk_work> enough for my needs.
[09:56] <mojo__> whois subterrific?
[09:56] <pestil> mojo__:  I've known of many adventures with ff as a memory hog, and have had several myself.
[09:56] <FAST> is there a part i can put in the entry of  fstab  where /dev/sda1 is that will allow read and execute access to all users
[09:56] <mojo__> nm.. i see in the userlist
[09:57] <mojo__> pestil: yeah, hog or no that behaviour is unacceptable
[09:57] <pestil> mojo__:  In my case, I can do it on demand after 30 tabs in each of firefox windows. But then again, my ram is little
[09:57] <alka_trash> I bet it'll work with ubuntu out of the box then, if not, then update to the latest hoary, or if your just wondering download a live cd.  I think that you can even download a live hoary cd :)
[09:57] <mojo__> freeze whole OS, music and all starts to 'stutter'... yeesh!
[09:58] <pestil> mojo__:  *technically*, the whole OS was not frozen. just the GUI part, most likely.
[09:58] <mojo__> pestil:  it is likeley that ffox caused the error... but the OS response to it... that sucked.  I thought I was overheating or some crap.
[09:58] <pestil> mojo__:  that's what most linux freaks will tell you.
[09:58] <mojo__> pestil:  nope, I (finally!) managed to get it to respond to alt-ctrl-F1 and log in.
[09:58] <alka_trash> jk_work: Yep I found it Hoary live tp://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/cdimage/releases/hoary/array-4/hoary-live-i386.iso
[09:59] <alka_trash> jk_work: Yep I found it Hoary live ftp://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/cdimage/releases/hoary/array-4/hoary-live-i386.iso
[09:59] <jk_work> alka_trash: tnx
[09:59] <pestil> mojo__:  yep, as I just said, only (yeah, only!) part frozen was the GUI part.
[09:59] <wezzer> when they release hoary?
[09:59] <Jimbob> mono__: If/when it happens the next time, run "top" to see what's sucking up all your memory, then you can kill that process with "killall <name>" or "kill <PID>"
[09:59] <mojo__> It took like 8 or 10 tries to log in 'cause it would freeze and not ask me for my pswd within 1 minute, and so (after 2-3 minutes) come back saying login unsuccessful, timeout after 60 sec.  Yeesh, it was a nightmare
[10:00] <mojo__> pestil:  once I got logged in, it took about 5 minutes to get it to let me type sudo shutdown -r now and ask for password.
[10:00] <alka_trash> wezzer Did they/
[10:00] <pestil> mojo__:  I've heard of people telling stories that when that happens to them, they just leave for a while (a person once said he left for four hours), and when you come back it should be more manageable
[10:00] <wezzer> they didn't, but when they _will_?
[10:00] <mojo__> pestil: when it FINALLY started shutting down, it crawled for a few minutes before dumping a BUNCH of messages about memory pages (swap or what I am not sure), and in amongst those some other messages.
[10:01] <alka_trash> wezzer I don't think that they did, these are just incremental snapshots they take when there are no showstoppers
[10:01] <alka_trash> ?
[10:01] <mojo__> pestil: That stuff finally started moving fast.  Among those messages was the ffox message... but still... I wanna see what the f*** that was all about.
[10:01] <FAST> is there a part i can put in the entry of  fstab  where /dev/sda1 is that will allow read and execute access to all users
[10:01] <pestil> mojo__:  yup, I've seen that. What the gurus end up telling me is to stop friggin relying on the GUI side of linux, and that CLI never crashes. go figure
[10:01] <Jimbob> FAST: What format is the disk in?
[10:02] <FAST> fat32
[10:02] <mojo__> Jimbob: If I could get to run top I would have danced a jig! I prayed the shutdown would work so I would not lose data.
[10:02] <pestil> FAST,  I got a line that works for me. don't use "auto" or "defaults", it won't work well. brb
[10:03] <pestil> mojo__:  the thing just got clogged. sh*t happens. but it will eventually resurrects. (if you have the patience)
[10:03] <mojo__> pestil: yeah, maybe so but I didn't wanna wait 4 hours.  I suffered it for a good half hour "waiting it out" before I got to trying a shutdown in earnest.  And that took at least a half hour more.
[10:04] <pestil> mojo__:  yeah, as I said, sh*t happens. Still, please go look for that log, definitely. At 1GB ram, I'd be just as concerned...
[10:04] <mojo__> pestil: well yeah "clogged"....   it's just the tech in me wants to dig for root cause.
[10:04] <FAST> pestil, instaed of 'default' for options, what should i put
[10:04] <pestil> mojo__:  were you under heavy ff usage? or heavy usage of another app?
[10:04] <pestil> FAST:  brb
[10:04] <FAST> ok
[10:05] <Jimbob> FAST: "defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000,dmask=777,fmask=666" will allow anyone to read/write/delete to/from that disk.
[10:06] <mojo__> pestil: yes I was. like i said, ffox prob started the probl. but i want to understand it better and maybe know with more certainty.  What I do NOT want is to have it happen again.  If there's a preventative or a cure I want to find it.  If it's a bug I want to report it.  It's an unknown and I want to know it.
[10:06] <mojo__> bbiaw
[10:06] <newter> does any one know where I can find kernel-headers-2.6.10-2r kernel-headers-2.6.10-2-k7?  So I can upgrade my nvidia driver please.
[10:07] <jdub> newter: hoary includes the lastest nvidia driver
[10:07] <FAST> Jimbob, what do i change so that it allows  only  reading / execution
[10:07] <jdub> newter: (for future reference though, they're all 'linux-*' not 'kernel-*')
[10:08] <Jimbob> 777 -> 555, 666 -> 444
[10:08] <FAST> ok
[10:08] <newter> hoary uses 6629
[10:08] <Jimbob> Note that *nobody* will be able to write in that case, not even you.
[10:08] <Caleb^> hi all
[10:08] <Alessio> I have some problem with
[10:08] <Alessio> Openoffice
[10:08] <Caleb^> how can i upgrade my warty to hoary without burning the iso image?
[10:08] <Alessio> I have upgraded in hoary
[10:08] <jdub> newter: if there's a newer version, it'd be *very* new, and it may go into hoary soon
[10:09] <jdub> Caleb^: change your sources list to point to hoary and upgrade online
[10:09] <Alessio> but some symbol like
[10:09] <Caleb^> ok, what is the command?
[10:09] <Alessio> - or
[10:09] <mojo__> just curious, but what are dmesg lines like this all about???
[10:09] <mojo__> Inbound IN=eth1 OUT= MAC=00:50:04:61:7d:34:00:05:74:f1:14:70:08:00 SRC=<IP_ADDRESS> DST=<IP_ADDRESS> LEN=42 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=53 ID=1899 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=4670 DPT=4666 LEN=22
[10:09] <mojo__> Inbound IN=eth1 OUT= MAC=00:50:04:61:7d:34:00:05:74:f1:14:70:08:00 SRC=<IP_ADDRESS> DST=<IP_ADDRESS> LEN=224 TOS=0x00 PREC=0xC0 TTL=108 ID=26408 PROTO=46
[10:09] <Alessio> accented letters...
[10:09] <pestil> FAST: ok I just went for a leak. im back
[10:09] <newter> cause I'm having some lag issues in a few applications that I did not get under my gentoo install on the same box.  I was going to see if it was a nvidia driver related issue and work from there.
[10:09] <FAST> good to know
[10:10] <pestil> FAST: I blatantly lifted the line from MDK. It works fine, still. /dev/hda1 /mnt/win_c vfat umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850 0 0
[10:10] <Caleb^> jdub, what is the correct command of apt-get
[10:10] <thoreauputic> mojo__: reports of firewall
[10:10] <mojo__> thoreauputic: thx.  just checking.  bbiaf
[10:10] <Jimbob> FAST: Yeah, sorry, you want a "umask=022" instead of the dmask/fmask stuff.
[10:11] <Jimbob> FAST: pestil is right.
[10:11] <FAST> ok i will try that now
[10:11] <pestil> Jimbob: ;-)
[10:11] <FAST> do i run 'sudo mount -a' after changing ?
[10:12] <thoreauputic> Caleb^: that's a bit like asking for a one-line summary of War and Peace ;)
[10:12] <pestil> FAST:  adjust to taste, of course
[10:12] <FAST> yes
[10:12] <FAST> i did
[10:12] <Caleb^> thoreauputic, i got it :)
[10:12] <Jimbob> FAST: If you've "umount"d /media/sda1, yes
[10:12] <thoreauputic> Caleb^: :)
[10:13] <FAST> umount: /media/sda1: device is busy
[10:13] <newter> jdub: before I o to all the trouble how do I tell what version of nvidia driver is installed by nvidia-glx?
[10:13] <pestil> FAST:  unbusy it
[10:13] <dud> lsof /media/sda1
[10:13] <dud> try that FAST
[10:14] <thoreauputic> FAST: try umount -l (lazy umount - truly - it works ;)
[10:14] <dud> dont do lazy if you can figure out what is accessing it with lsof
[10:14] <FAST> famnd
[10:14] <FAST> famd
[10:14] <dud> lazy unmounting might result in loss of data
[10:14] <thoreauputic> dud: good advice ;)
[10:14] <FAST> thoreauputic, that worked
[10:15] <dud> notice its process number, and kill that process
[10:15] <jdub> newter: apt-cache show nvidia-glx
[10:15] <pestil> ...and screwy sectors in really bad cases, especially if thats FAT
[10:15] <dud> yep, fat is terribly primitive
[10:15] <Hwolf> hidde@system:~$ sudo vgextend lvm /dev/hdb
[10:15] <Hwolf>   /dev/hdb not identified as an existing physical volume
[10:15] <Hwolf>   Unable to add physical volume '/dev/hdb' to volume group 'lvm'.
[10:15] <Hwolf>   :-S
[10:15] <pestil> dud: ...and terribly compatible too, unfortunately. it's the LCD
[10:15] <mjr> pvcreate /dev/hdb first
[10:16] <pestil> dud: least common denominator, I meant
[10:16] <dud> well, yes
[10:16] <senectus> hey, how do you reload your fstab without rebooting?
[10:16] <dud> mount -a
[10:16] <Alessio> I have some problem about openoffice with my upgrade in hoary, problem with images position, with symbol and accented letters! Where is the problem?
[10:16] <senectus> cool thanks
[10:17] <pestil> Alessio: sometimes, just adjusting your keyboard layout lets you type in accented letters easier. Or are you talking about the insert symbol function?
[10:17] <Alessio> the gnome-terminal have problem too with accented letters!
[10:17] <srebbeg> hi, i was wondering how to switch the DE from gnome to KDE? (i've installed the kde packages, just not sure where to change the default desktop)
[10:17] <Alessio> pestil.. not when i'm digiting!
[10:18] <Alessio> when i'm reading some documents..
[10:18] <pestil> Alessio: its never a good idea to use accented letters as part of file names. And if you network around, even more so
[10:18] <FAST> interesting, now the computer does not show up in   smb:///                  (but if i have the samba share entry path to  /home/FAST/folder ) i can see the computer and browse the folder
[10:18] <pestil> Alessio: oh
[10:18] <Alessio> written with openoffice 1.1.2
[10:18] <Hwolf> mjr, now how do I extend my lv?
[10:18] <newter> jdub: Thanks, guess it is using 6629 thanks for the help.
[10:18] <pestil> dammit, bbl, gotta take care of somn
[10:19] <Alessio> not in filename
[10:19] <Alessio> but in the documents!
[10:19] <thoreauputic> srebbeg: one way is to create a .xsession file in your home dir with just the word startkde in it , then choose default system session in the login screen
[10:19] <mjr> Hwolf, lvextend
[10:20] <Alessio> can i return in openoffice 1.1.2?
[10:20] <Alessio> in hoary?
[10:20] <jdub> Alessio: install 'openoffice.org'
[10:21] <topyli> Alessio: i have a windows box with a windows user who has filenames like "let's go bowling 11.8.2002.doc". those are great with samba upgrades, utf8-transitions, and windows upgrades :/
[10:22] <Hwolf> mjr: I seem to be unable to find the right parameters
[10:23] <mjr> read the howto, I don't recall
[10:24] <Alessio> jdub, i have installed it!
[10:24] <thoreauputic> in mac-on-linux, is there a switch to "startmol" to enable "mac in xnest" style when fullscreen is specified in the config files? (Tried asking in #mol but no responses..)
[10:25] <Menaherann> hello
[10:25] <FAST> can someone define what modes   umask=0222  means ?
[10:25] <Menaherann> i need some help regarding instalations
[10:26] <thoreauputic> FAST: that would produce read-only I think
[10:26] <thoreauputic> 666 minus the umask = 444
[10:26] <thoreauputic> which is read only
[10:26] <FAST> is there a number i can use    so that i (owner) can haev rwx  access , and everyone else can have   rx  access?
[10:27] <Jimbob> FAST: 0022
[10:27] <Menaherann> could anyone help a newbie here with this.....?
[10:27] <Menaherann> :)
[10:27] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: haed to say until you ask :)
[10:28] <thoreauputic> *hard
[10:28] <Menaherann> I'm sorry?
[10:28] <dud> just ask the question Menaherann hehe
[10:29] <Menaherann> oh.. ok sorry...
[10:29] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: just ask - we'll help if we know
[10:29] <Menaherann> i'm trying to install warty on my old laptop.....
[10:30] <Menaherann> and apperently installed fine but when it boots it doesn't take me to the desktop
[10:30] <Menaherann> it propms me to the username and password fine but it just hang after i enter them?
[10:30] <Menaherann> what am i doing wrong?
[10:31] <dud> are you installing warty or hoary?
[10:31] <Menaherann> warty
[10:31] <topyli> Menaherann: so you get a console but no gui?
[10:31] <Menaherann> i guess...
[10:31] <FAST> is there any idea why i cant access my samba share   /media/sda1/folder  ?  in fact, i can get to smb://, but now i cannot get to smb:///mshome
[10:31] <Menaherann> mind the NEWBIE on my reply.
[10:31] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: do you  get a picture, or just a black screen with a prompt?
[10:32] <Menaherann> i do get a picture when i'm asked for username/password, after i input them then it goes blank....
[10:32] <Menaherann> just my cursor....
[10:32] <Menaherann> alone in the dark
[10:32] <thoreauputic> hmmm
[10:33] <topyli> ahh, so X is working but you have no window manager
[10:33] <Alessio> sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts
[10:33] <Alessio> i have make
[10:33] <Alessio> this
[10:33] <Alessio> it's ok
[10:33] <Menaherann> well i am covering my bases right now and re-installing
[10:33] <Alessio> bu in the terminale accnted letters har not cdified :(
[10:33] <dud> try pressing ctrl+alt+f2
[10:34] <topyli> Menaherann: what sort of xursor? an X or arrow? is the backgroud black or grey?
[10:34] <dud> see if you a terminal... you can login and install xserver-xorg through apt-get
[10:34] <Menaherann> arrow on black
[10:34] <topyli> does it move?
[10:34] <Menaherann> yep
[10:34] <thoreauputic> dud: he's using warty (no xorg - xfree)
[10:35] <Menaherann> uh?
[10:35] <thoreauputic> dud: also he would need x-window-system or similar
[10:35] <dud> right, but wouldnt apt-get install the needed requirements if you ask it to install xserver-xfree86
[10:36] <topyli> thoreauputic: X is working since it draws a cursor. but nothing much else is
[10:36] <topyli> also gdm works
[10:36] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: pay no attention ... that was to dud :) Sounds like gnome-session is broken somehow
[10:36] <thoreauputic> topyli: yes, sounds to me like a gnome problem
[10:36] <dud> hehe
[10:37] <dud> in any case... one would think 'apt-get -f install' could fix things up with any luck
[10:37] <dud> if not, then its something more serious hehe
[10:37] <Menaherann> other thing.....
[10:38] <Menaherann> i have another partition on my desktop, that one work fine, so far....
[10:38] <Menaherann> so i kinda know what to expect from the whole install process, but in the laptop, when prompts me for user/password
[10:39] <Menaherann> ther is this drum-like sound that bothers me till no end.....
[10:39] <Menaherann> and since this thing hangs, the drums go and go......
[10:39] <topyli> Menaherann: hey don't knock the drums, at least your sound is working ;)
[10:39] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: hehe... yes, you can turn off system sounds - but you need gnome running ideally
[10:40] <Menaherann> the drums are not a conflict on my card?
[10:40] <Menaherann> then?
[10:40] <Hwolf> mjr: I managed to extend my lvm to include my second disk, but now I don't see the extra space in nautilus
[10:40] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: no
[10:42] <topyli> i say it's gnome-session
[10:42] <topyli> you should try and run that from console
[10:42] <topyli> then get real error messages
[10:42] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: you might ry this ( exactly as here including spaces) :  do ctrl-alt-F2, log in (name, enter, password, enter) Then try  startx /usr/bin/gnome-session -- :1
[10:42] <Jimbob> Hwolf: What does "df -h" say about your lvm device?
[10:43] <thoreauputic> the hyphens and spaces are important - we are trying to get a session strted on the nest display ( :1)
[10:43] <Hwolf> jimbob: /dev/mapper/lvm-6     2.0G  418M  1.6G  21% /data
[10:43] <thoreauputic> *next
[10:43] <Hwolf> jimbob: ACTIVE            '/dev/lvm/6' [39.95 GB]  inherit
[10:45] <Menaherann> well as i siad, i'm reisnatlling it right now...
[10:45] <Menaherann> so it have to wait some...
[10:45] <Menaherann> :)
[10:45] <topyli> ah, but won't it do the same every time you install? well, we don't know, strange things do happen :)
[10:46] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: well, hopefully this time it will be OK - but make a note of the solution/experiment above
[10:46] <Red_Tide> hey I have a question
[10:46] <Menaherann> ok... but now... what is this solution?
[10:46] <Red_Tide> what sort of package system does ubuntu use?
[10:46] <thoreauputic> topyli: sometimes the phase of the moon has to be right ;)
[10:47] <topyli> Menaherann: none yet, but following thoreauputic's advice you'll at least get some error messages to show us
[10:47] <Hwolf> Jimbob: any idea?
[10:47] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: Menaherann: you might ry this ( exactly as here including spaces) :  do ctrl-alt-F2, log in (name, enter, password, enter) Then try  startx /usr/bin/gnome-session -- :1
[10:47] <Hwolf> Red_tide: Debian system
[10:47] <Jimbob> Hwolf: No, sorry
[10:47] <topyli> thoreauputic: yeah. it's a shame gnome doesn't have a moon applet anymore
[10:47] <thoreauputic> topyli: hehe :)
[10:48] <Menaherann> oh... so basically that will tell YOU what going on?
[10:48] <Menaherann> oh i see
[10:49] <Menaherann> does the fact that is an old laptop has anithing to do with it?
[10:49] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: well, if it works it will startb gnome as well :)
[10:49] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: how much RAM?
[10:50] <Menaherann> an amazingly maxed-out 160 MB
[10:50] <Menaherann> :)
[10:50] <Menaherann> yay!
[10:50] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: should be enough
[10:51] <Menaherann> now it is an AMD K6
[10:51] <Menaherann> which isntaller should I be using for this?
[10:52] <thoreauputic> the normal i386 one. It's a PC
[10:52] <thoreauputic> the architecture is the same
[10:53] <Menaherann> ok...
[10:54] <Menaherann> ok... funny question
[10:55] <Menaherann> the laptop is NOT hooke up to the internet, but now is asking me if i want to download soft. form the internet
[10:55] <Menaherann> now i've always said yes.....
[10:56] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: say no if you aren't connected
[10:56] <Menaherann> but it does not bitch about anithing
[10:56] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: it basically gets security updates etc - you can do thatb later
[10:56] <deeayzedarareeen> thoreauputic, mac on linux?
[10:57] <thoreauputic> deeayzedarareeen: yeah, a virtual machine a bit like vmware
[10:57] <thoreauputic> deeayzedarareeen: but free as in beer and as in speech ;)
[10:57] <deeayzedarareeen> free or commercial?
[10:57] <deeayzedarareeen> cool
[10:57] <thoreauputic> ^^^
[10:57] <deeayzedarareeen> will google further :-)
[10:58] <thoreauputic> tricky to set up - there's a howto on the wiki
[10:58] <deeayzedarareeen> got the url?
[10:58] <thoreauputic> deeayzedarareeen: quite good - it got me going
[10:58] <topyli> deeayzedarareeen: you still need an os to run on the virtual mac :)
[10:58] <thoreauputic> ummm hang on a sec
[10:58] <deeayzedarareeen> k
[10:59] <Hwolf> lvs says my lv is 40 gigs. Nautilus says it is 2 gig, what am I doing wrong?
[10:59] <thoreauputic> topyliqI'm dual booting OS-X and Ubuntu
[10:59] <thoreauputic> topyli: so I use the other partition with nmol
[10:59] <thoreauputic> mol
[11:00] <topyli> dual boot means you have to boot sometimes :)
[11:00] <Menaherann> ok... thoreauputic, when should i put this "solution" you provided?
[11:01] <thoreauputic> topyli: I can pretty much stay in linux all the time, and run mol as required \
[11:01] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: first see if it works;)
[11:01] <topyli> thoreauputic: ah, cool
[11:01] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: I mean the new install
[11:01] <Menaherann> got it
[11:02] <Menaherann> well, the live CD version works....
[11:02] <topyli> Menaherann: the live cd is a totally different system
[11:02] <Menaherann> very slooooooooooooooooowwwwwww. but it does!
[11:02] <thoreauputic> URL fo the mac-on-linux howto:
[11:03] <thoreauputic> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MacOnLinuxHowto
[11:03] <|QuaD-> anyone here using beagle and hoary?
[11:03] <|QuaD-> ie beagle on hoary
[11:04] <Menaherann> is kinda hard to find tutorials for linux, at leatst for dummies
[11:05] <Menaherann> one of those that tells you the stufff from 0-level-schmuck
[11:06] <topyli> Menaherann: once the system works, you just use it basically. when problems arise, you find documentation that applies to that problem
[11:06] <topyli> now, if the system fails to work, that's a different story :)
[11:06] <odyssey> |QuaD-, i was til today
[11:07] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: for command line stuff, this is a good start:
[11:07] <thoreauputic> http://www.tuxfiles.org/
[11:07] <Menaherann> ok... some there are no manuals as such, then?
[11:07] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: there are many - linux documentation project forinstance
[11:08] <topyli> Menaherann: for ubuntu, read the excellent debian docs
[11:08] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: http://google.com/linux is your friend ;)
[11:09] <thoreauputic> lots of stuff on ubuntulinux.org as well
[11:09] <Hwolf> is anyone here familiar with lvm on ubuntu?
[11:09] <topyli> perhaps today there's someone who has used p3nfs?
[11:10] <topyli> or how about someone who has gotten serial port irda dongles to work on ubuntu?
[11:10] <topyli> i hate it when there's two problems at the same time
[11:12] <Menaherann> another question... which network card will you recommend for this laptop, once ubuntu start kicking?
[11:12] <Menaherann> obviously has to support linux...
[11:13] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: don't you have one built in on that laptop?
[11:13] <Menaherann> but i don't know which on to get?
[11:13] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: most ethernet cards are well supported in linux, actually
[11:13] <Menaherann> well, i mean a wireless card....
[11:13] <thoreauputic> ah
[11:14] <thoreauputic> that's a different story...
[11:14] <Menaherann> sorry
[11:14] <apokryphos> What are people here using to play .AVIs and .mpgs?
[11:15] <dud> mplayer/xine/totem
[11:16] <apokryphos> dud: Are you using Hoary? If so, just how did you get mplayer to work?   We have a 4 port hub in it and we need 5 :(
[11:18] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: do a search on ubuntulinux.org - setting this up is covered in the wiki
[11:18] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: Cool; will do, thanks.
[11:19] <thoreauputic> no worries :)
[11:20] <Bigglez> Anyone tell me how to get Enlightenment into the choice of gui's on login?
[11:21] <Menaherann> so?
[11:21] <Menaherann> anybody knows about which card should I get?
[11:21] <Menaherann> anyone?
[11:22] <thoreauputic> Biggles, there are several ways, none of them intuitive { easiest is to make a .xsession file in your  homedir with just the word enlightenment in it, then choose system session from the login screen
[11:22] <Bigglez> thoreauputic : thanks - I will try that. brb
[11:23] <thoreauputic> Biggles, there is another way which gives you added wm in the list, but I'd have to dig for the file to edit...
[11:23] <Bigglez> Well, enlightenment already put:
[11:23] <thoreauputic> /usr/share/xsessions from memory
[11:23] <Bigglez> # Enlightenment inserted Execution string here
[11:23] <Bigglez> exec /usr/bin/enlightenment
[11:24] <thoreauputic> ah - in .xsession?
[11:24] <Bigglez> When I go to apps->sys tool->New login
[11:24] <Bigglez> there is no choice for E
[11:24] <Bigglez> yes in .xsession in my home dir
[11:24] <Menaherann> ok...
[11:25] <Menaherann> now... other thing i don't know about...
[11:25] <Menaherann> :)
[11:25] <thoreauputic> then choose system session on login
[11:25] <thoreauputic> Bigglez: ^^
[11:25] <Bigglez> Yes - I did, no choice for E in the list
[11:25] <Menaherann> is aking me right now about configurins the xserver-xfree86
[11:25] <Menaherann> \?
[11:25] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: and?
[11:26] <Menaherann> basically to choose which resolution i DON"T want it to use?
[11:26] <thoreauputic> Bigglez: no - choose the default system session
[11:26] <topyli> Bigglez: there shouldn't be. choose system session or default or xsession or whatever it's called
[11:26] <Menaherann> cuold the problem be here?
[11:27] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: yes. Let it use a default - you can tweak it later if necessary
[11:27] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: that could be the source of your problems
[11:28] <Menaherann> so mark ONLY 640x4810 or 600x800
[11:28] <Menaherann> ?
[11:28] <Bigglez> Ok - how do i get Gnome back again afterwards?
[11:28] <Menaherann> which would be default....?
[11:28] <Menaherann> cuz it will try to run the best resolution possible
[11:28] <topyli> Bigglez: choose gnome :)
[11:28] <thoreauputic> Bigglez: it will prompt you - but probably it will stay gnome unless you change your preference
[11:29] <Bigglez> ok ok - I'm off to try it all. hope I get back ! !
[11:29] <Menaherann> the default choices are 640x480, 800x600 and 1024x768
[11:30] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: then leave them aloneand see what happens
[11:30] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: the installer is pretty smart and usually gets it right
[11:31] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: if in doubt, hit "enter"
[11:31] <Menaherann> did
[11:31] <Menaherann> kept on going, now let's see what happens
[11:31] <thoreauputic> ;)
[11:32] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: you can kill me if I gave you bad advice - heh ;)
[11:32] <Menaherann> if anything this laptop will be a nice paperweight
[11:32] <Menaherann> :)
[11:32] <thoreauputic> or a nice headless server !
[11:32] <sleon_> is hal/dbus something like replacement of automount?
[11:33] <sleon_> will it be possible to eject cd's at anytime?
[11:33] <topyli> Menaherann: hey, you have a perfectly good console there! you can switch your desktop environment from gnome to emacs
[11:33] <thoreauputic> sleon_: yeah, eject works well here
[11:33] <christianp> hi all
[11:33] <sleon_> thoreauputic, even if i go to  the dir with cd?
[11:34] <sleon_> thoreauputic, in console?
[11:34] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: on options with "Y or I  : install the package maintainer's version etc..." which option should I be choosing?
[11:34] <sleon_> thoreauputic, or even if a program is accesing it?(like video player)
[11:34] <Menaherann> and..... what do you mean by that, topyli?
[11:34] <souki> anyone having an acer aspire 1680 WLMI ?
[11:34] <thoreauputic> sleon_: umm.. you can't expect to umount a busy device
[11:34] <sleon_> thoreauputic, :(
[11:34] <sleon_> thoreauputic, this would confuse noobs
[11:34] <mjr> Hwolf, (back), you probably need to resize the FS after extending the LV
[11:34] <topyli> Menaherann: half-kidding. if x doesn't work, you can still do almost anything
[11:35] <Hwolf> mjr: will that ruin my data?
[11:35] <thoreauputic> sleon_: you like corrupting your files ;) ?
[11:35] <christianp> this is the first time i use ubuntu on my laptop, and this is my first problem: the system doesn't recognize the tablet to move mouse cursor
[11:35] <mjr> Hwolf, if it's ext3, you need to do a resize2fs /dev/whatever while the fs is unmounted
[11:35] <sleon_> thoreauputic, scenario: videoplayer crashes: the cd stays busy noob needs to reboot to open it
[11:35] <mjr> nah
[11:35] <Hwolf> mjr: xfs
[11:35] <mjr> ok, well, then it's even easier
[11:35] <mjr> you don't have to unmount (in fact, you _have_ to have it mounted :)
[11:35] <no0tic> seb128: about rhythmbox crashes, can we talk here?
[11:35] <christianp> my previous distro (debian) does it
[11:35] <mjr> but lessee, what was the tool...
[11:35] <sleon_> thoreauputic, is there way to prevent it?
[11:36] <mjr> Hwolf, xfs_growfs, yes?
[11:36] <thoreauputic> sleon_: don't know, frankly - the mount system seems to work well here, anyway
[11:36] <mjr> xfs_growfs /mount/point
[11:36] <sleon_> are the newest gnome debs for ubuntu?
[11:36] <no0tic> seb128: now also nautilus crashes almost everytime... (and some times it takes Xorg with him...)
[11:37] <apokryphos> switch to KDe ;)
[11:37] <sleon_> or is there debs for 2.6.2?
[11:37] <thoreauputic> no0tic: hoary?
[11:37] <no0tic> thoreauputic: yes
[11:37] <topyli> sleon_: there's 2.8
[11:37] <sleon_> 2.6.2 gtk
[11:37] <sleon_> topyli, 2.6.10?
[11:37] <sleon_> 2.8.10
[11:37] <sleon_> i mean
[11:37] <topyli> sleon_: ubuntu always comes with the latest gnome
[11:37] <thoreauputic> no0tic: well, when hoary breaks you get to keep both pieces ;)
[11:37] <sleon_> topyli, there was recent beta
[11:37] <sleon_> topyli, i want to test it
[11:38] <sleon_> topyli, does ubuntu have the debs
[11:38] <topyli> sleon_: oh, then you need hoary, the unstable ubuntu
[11:38] <thoreauputic> no0tic: it *is* the development version..
[11:38] <no0tic> thoreauputic: I know..
[11:38] <sleon_> topyli, and you say it already has it?
[11:38] <topyli> sleon_: always the latest
[11:38] <topyli> i suppose
[11:38] <tremor> hoary has gnome 2.9.10 (== gnome 2.10 beta-1)
[11:38] <sleon_> topyli, even if it was released yesterday and even beta versions?
[11:39] <johns_> no it isn't
[11:39] <sleon_> tremor, thx
[11:39] <johns_> ;)
[11:39] <Hwolf> mjr: yes, now to figure how to use it.
[11:39] <johns_> it just sucks less then other os'ses
[11:39] <topyli> sleon_: yes. and ubuntu releases a stable "preview" on the same day that gnome releases a stable gnome
[11:39] <johns_> lots less I might add
[11:39] <sleon_> the noob i installed it to said it is too complicated compared to knoppix
[11:39] <sleon_> then i asked why
[11:39] <sleon_> and he told me cause of kde and passwords
[11:40] <sleon_> topyli, thx
[11:40] <sleon_> but then he fsck up knoppix
[11:40] <sleon_> after installing some system lib which replaced half of system
[11:40] <sleon_> and replaced changed knoppix's configs
[11:40] <sleon_> he installed it with apt-get
[11:41] <sleon_> with synaptics
[11:41] <mjr> Hwolf, you should just have to say "xfs_growfs /mount/point" (if root, just /)
[11:41] <ironwolf> xmms seems to lock in hoary when trying to play live365.com .pls files.  what else can I use for the streaming audio?
[11:41] <sleon_> is the new package install help from hoary more intuitive?
[11:41] <sleon_> helper
[11:42] <thoreauputic> ironwolf: rhythmbox or beep-media-player
[11:42] <topyli> sleon_: knoppix is not really something to be installed. at least you should upgrade it to unstable ASAP after installation
[11:42] <thoreauputic> and install gstreamer0.8-mad
[11:42] <thoreauputic> or relevent version if hoary
[11:43] <ironwolf> thoreauputic gstreamer already installed. :)  That one I know. :)
[11:43] <thoreauputic> ironwolf: OK :)
[11:43] <sleon_> topyli, ok, but will it be harder to fsck up ubuntu hoary if he would only use installmanager ?
[11:43] <thoreauputic> beep-media-player is nice
[11:43] <sleon_> like synaptic or newly written one
[11:43] <sleon_> are there packages that would demand reinstalling the half of system?
[11:44] <thoreauputic> sleon_: why would you use hoary for a newb? Use warty
[11:44] <topyli> sleon_: i don't run hoary but doesn't it use synaptic too? but hoary of course can break any day
[11:44] <Hwolf> mjr: yay, scary but yay!
[11:44] <sleon_> ok
[11:44] <sleon_> warty then
[11:44] <thoreauputic> yes, awrty has synaptic
[11:44] <thoreauputic> *warty
[11:44] <sleon_> ok
[11:45] <sleon_> the problem with synaptic : it demands sometime to use console: install failed run dpkg -a configure manually ...
[11:45] <Menaherann> well the instalation is now registering documentation....
[11:45] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: Following those instructions didn't seem to help at all. Same problem.
[11:45] <Menaherann> should this take this long????
[11:45] <sleon_> but the question is are all packages in warty 100% working?
[11:46] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: :( sorry - only so much I can do at this distance I'm afraid
[11:46] <sleon_> i mean can it happen that install can fail of lacking deps if i have warty sources?
[11:46] <topyli> sleon_: true, if something goes wrong there's no gui really to take care of it. also, it doesn't build package
[11:46] <thoreauputic> sleon_: short answer: no
[11:46] <ironwolf> thoreauputic: now rhythmbox is unresponsive. *sigh* beep-media-player you say?
[11:46] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: no worries
[11:46] <topyli> sleon_: warty is stable, it works
[11:46] <sleon_> thoreauputic, cool
[11:46] <sleon_> good ok
[11:46] <sleon_> then i will try it on him
[11:46] <thoreauputic> ironwolf: yes - it can use xmms skins, by the way
[11:46] <sleon_> it is unbelivable he fsck knoppix so quick
[11:46] <sleon_> :D
[11:47] <topyli> you can install warty for your mom or anyone
[11:47] <sleon_> it was already installed then the hdd crashed :)
[11:47] <sleon_> and then we choosed knoppix cause he told me ubuntu was too compicated for him(scared by gnome)
[11:48] <thoreauputic> ironwolf: the skin browser and menus look better than xmms - they use gtk2
[11:48] <sleon_> but i will install then ubuntu + kde
[11:48] <Hwolf> sleon_: You serious?
[11:48] <sleon_> Hwolf, yes
[11:48] <Menaherann> yay!
[11:48] <sleon_> Hwolf, i was amased!
[11:48] <Menaherann> instalation complete!!!!!
[11:48] <Bigglez> Ah well, Enlightenment was fun until the segfault .... :(
[11:48] <sleon_> Hwolf, this is total noob
[11:48] <topyli> sleon_: how is gnome complicated and kde cures that is beyond me
[11:48] <sleon_> i thought he would like gnome cause of lesser functions
[11:48] <sleon_> and cleaner design
[11:49] <sleon_> topyli, this was the first impression made at him cause it looked more different then windows
[11:49] <Menaherann> ok... now, this is the moment when i log in and the computer hangs forever
[11:49] <sleon_> then kde does
[11:49] <sleon_> topyli, he chould not describe me why
[11:49] <sleon_> topyli, he used kde longer now though
[11:49] <sleon_> till he fscked things up
[11:50] <topyli> sleon_: my lady is a windows user. i set up gnome for her and she likes it. it's a matter of panel and icon arrangement mostly
[11:50] <sleon_> i will tell you in the future which problems he got and questions he had
[11:50] <sleon_> topyli, thats it :)
[11:50] <sleon_> it is nice experiment
[11:50] <topyli> sleon_: openoffice is more difficult :)
[11:51] <sleon_> hehe
[11:51] <Bigglez> To throw a flame in ... I have always found KDE to be "snappier" than Gnome
[11:51] <Bigglez> It's just - well - faster!
[11:51] <sleon_> topyli, he want only download music, hear internet radio and speak with his friends other internet
[11:51] <ironwolf> ok beep-media-player locked up. *sigh*
[11:51] <thoreauputic> Bigglez: so is fluxbox... :)
[11:51] <sleon_> with skype and so on
[11:51] <topyli> sleon_: simple needs, easy to fulfill
[11:51] <sleon_> yes
[11:52] <thoreauputic> ironwolf: then your problem is not the app but the system ( gstreamer or alsa or something)
[11:52] <Bigglez> yeah fluxbox - but you can't cmp that to kde
[11:52] <sleon_> topyli, not so easy, cause some sites won't work cause they use wmedia player
[11:52] <sleon_> x-mplayer2 :D
[11:52] <sleon_> realplayer is not installed per default
[11:52] <sleon_> (i am talking about knoppix)
[11:52] <Menaherann> and well, it happenned again....:(
[11:52] <sleon_> no plugins
[11:52] <rython> hi
[11:52] <sleon_> for firefox
[11:52] <sleon_> you need to install them manually
[11:52] <thoreauputic> Bigglez: indeed not- fluxbox is *so* much better *grin*
[11:53] <Bigglez> heh!
[11:53] <ironwolf> thoreauputic: yeah, so where do I start looking.  They play mp3's, wav's etc. just not this. *well, xmms hasn't ever worked*
[11:53] <Bigglez> I guess I love Konqueror - it's so damn versatile!
[11:53] <sleon_> is kde for ubuntu also stable enough like gnome?
[11:53] <thoreauputic> sorry I missed something - what won't it play?
[11:54] <Bigglez> Gnome is like clicking underwater - c  l   i   c        k ... :)
[11:54] <thoreauputic> sleon_: it's "not supported" (ie use at your own risk)
[11:54] <Bigglez> I'm using xmms just fine!
[11:54] <sleon_> thoreauputic, but is it stable enough?
[11:54] <thoreauputic> Bigglez: gnome is quite snappy here...
[11:54] <Bigglez> Can't seem to bind keys to make it pause properly, but it plays oggs and mp3s
[11:55] <sleon_> thoreauputic, do you know the quality of packages?
[11:55] <topyli> sleon_: yeah, you have to set everything up for a windows user. mplayer-plugin handles most media ok
[11:55] <sleon_> topyli, i use it and i know that it does not work 100%
[11:55] <odyssey> why is it that mplayer on a debian system is so different than mplayer on an rpm based system?
[11:55] <thoreauputic> sleon_: sorry i haven't tried it with warty - I have with debian, of course
[11:55] <Bigglez> Thoreauputic: I kept the same PC when I switched to Ubu and Gnome is notably slower. Can't explain it!
[11:55] <sleon_> thx
[11:55] <topyli> sleon_: kde is in the unsupported section
[11:55] <sleon_> i will try both kde and ngome
[11:55] <topyli> odyssey: it is?
[11:55] <sleon_> for a longer period lets see what he would choose
[11:56] <thoreauputic> Bigglez: hmm... odd
[11:56] <sleon_> :)
[11:56] <ironwolf> thoreauputic: beep-media-player won't play a live365.com stream
[11:56] <odyssey> i find it unuseable with ubuntu but when i was using fedora it was quite nice, cept for when it crashed
[11:56] <Bigglez> Try throwing around a folder with 3000 files in it. Konqueror says "no problem". Nautilus just goes into Matrix-bullet time and snores a lot :)
[11:57] <MLimburg> hey guys .. have a problem .. sound isnt running in gnome (ie: sound events like error, etc) but if i open xmms and go to output filters, its set to OSS by default .. which doesnt work .. but if i change it to ALSA, then xmms works .. any ideas what to check and change here?
[11:57] <thoreauputic> Bigglez: I've noticed some bugs with bits of gnome here - but not show-stoppers
[11:57] <thoreauputic> Bigglez: I agree that nautilus is kinda sluggish at times
[11:57] <odyssey> MLimburg, could have oss muted in gnome-volume-control
[11:57] <Bigglez> thoreau: Yes, it's been very stable (if slow *grin*) but KDE was also stable.
[11:58] <Bigglez> brb
[11:58] <sleon_> is the latest gtk version using libcairo?
[11:58] <topyli> Bigglez: let's see if nautilus will improve once we get rid of fam
[11:58] <thoreauputic> Bigglez: nothing a cp -a flie /dircan't fix ;)
[11:58] <thoreauputic> oops
[11:58] <Menaherann> well, thoreaputic? how do i put this thing?
[11:58] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: didn't you write it down? :)
[11:58] <thoreauputic> you mean my startx thing?
[11:59] <MLimburg> hmm .. i have a webcam here .. which isnt working yet .. and its set to OSS
[11:59] <Menaherann> yes.. but right now my screen is black otu
[11:59] <MLimburg> acording to the gnome volume applet
[11:59] <Menaherann> so should i reebot or do it now?
[11:59] <ironwolf> thoreauputic: rhythmbox plays mp3s, but not the stream from live365.com
[11:59] <sleon_> you need livestreamer for it
[11:59] <thoreauputic> ctrl-alt-F2 -  login name pass then startx /usr/bin/gnome-session -- :1
[12:00] <Bigglez> what does the :1 mean in that?
[12:00] <thoreauputic> ironwolf: you have it set as default in firefox when firefox asks for the helper app?
[12:01] <thoreauputic> Bigglez: it starts a session on the next virtual terminal ( usually tty8 )
[12:01] <sleon_> Bigglez, this is the address of display
[12:01] <MLimburg> which conf file can i look into to see what gnome is trying to use as a default sound deamon?
[12:01] <sleon_> Bigglez, you have gnome running on :0 already, you cannot start another one there
[12:01] <Bigglez> Oh. tah!
[12:01] <Agabus> hey could anyone give me a link for the hoary hedgehog iso??
[12:02] <sleon_> Bigglez, you need to start it on other display
[12:02] <Menaherann> ok....
[12:02] <sleon_> Bigglez, like .1000
[12:02] <sleon_> :100
[12:02] <sleon_> ;D
[12:02] <sleon_> if it is not occupied
[12:02] <Menaherann> great... now the screen is gray and the cursors is an x
[12:02] <thoreauputic> sleon_:  :1 will do
[12:02] <Menaherann> :)
[12:02] <sleon_> thoreauputic, i know,
[12:02] <Agabus> anyone?
[12:02] <sleon_> thoreauputic, i was only explaining in general
[12:02] <tremor> Agabus: http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/releases/5.04/array-4/
[12:03] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: well, x is running then, but gnome is dead, it seems
[12:03] <sleon_> Agabus, i am downloading it right now, will have it in 3 minutes
[12:03] <thoreauputic> sleon_: fair enough ;)
[12:03] <Agabus> sleon_ - oh k
[12:03] <sleon_> :)
[12:04] <Menaherann> WOW
[12:04] <sleon_> :)
[12:04] <sleon_> 600mb in 23 minutes
[12:04] <Agabus> how come there's an install and a live disc? why not just one like with mepis?
[12:04] <Menaherann> now the ubuntu screen popped up
[12:04] <topyli> ironwolf: live365.com seems to have some kind of player of their own. doesn't work here
[12:05] <sleon_> ironwolf, there is livestreamer
[12:05] <Bigglez> so to run E : startx /usr/bin/enlightenment -- :1
[12:05] <sleon_> ironwolf, it supports 365
[12:05] <Bigglez> bingo!
[12:05] <Menaherann> so hopefully in the next two months this thing will finally boot
[12:05] <shock> good morning peoples!
[12:05] <shock> :P
[12:05] <sleon_> ironwolf, it is very comfortable to use
[12:05] <sleon_> ironwolf, it has guy that shows you all stations at the moment, you chose one you need and hit play
[12:05] <Agabus> is there any ftp sites i can download the ISO from?
[12:06] <sleon_> Agabus, /topic
[12:06] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: aha - ok it is trying to run gdm then... but it sounds like your install doesn't want to run gnome-session for some unfathomable reason
[12:06] <sleon_> ttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-4/
[12:06] <sleon_> Agabus, it is very quick
[12:07] <Agabus> sleon_ - yeh i was just wondering if there's an ftp site
[12:07] <topyli> Menaherann: how do things look? do you have the plain X cursor or a graphical login or are you already in gnome?
[12:07] <Menaherann> well, am I still on isntall mode/
[12:07] <Menaherann> ??
[12:07] <sleon_> Agabus, i think there is
[12:07] <Menaherann> i thought that the install ended already
[12:07] <sleon_> Agabus, ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de
[12:07] <sleon_> Agabus, they have only warty though
[12:08] <Menaherann> anyway.... anything that i could do to get this thin runing, guys?
[12:08] <sleon_> Menaherann, i have not followed you, what is your exact problem?
[12:08] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: I've run out of ideas, I'm afraid
[12:08] <topyli> Menaherann: what's happening right now?
[12:08] <Menaherann> my screen is gray... my cursor is acitve but is the x
[12:09] <Menaherann> and the ubuntu screen popped up
[12:09] <Menaherann> that all
[12:09] <sleon_> Menaherann, during the install
[12:09] <sleon_> or after the install?
[12:09] <Menaherann> for the past 3 min.
[12:09] <Menaherann> or so
[12:09] <sleon_> Menaherann, which grafik card do you have?
[12:09] <sleon_> how much ram
[12:09] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: as I said, gnome-session is refusing to run - thus you have only a bare X screen
[12:09] <topyli> Menaherann: good. X works. which ubuntu screen are you talking about? the graphical login or the small splash screen?
[12:10] <Menaherann> i guess the small spalsh screen
[12:10] <topyli> so gnome is trying to start
[12:10] <topyli> click the splash, perhaps it's hanging. it's known to happen sometimes
[12:11] <thoreauputic> maybe try the failsafe gnome option in sessions
[12:11] <Menaherann> whatever is built in this laptop,sleon
[12:11] <Menaherann> nothing happenned
[12:11] <stef_65> hi all
[12:11] <sleon_> Menaherann, aua
[12:11] <Menaherann> so restart, and select safe mode?
[12:11] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: see if the failsafe gnome option works
[12:11] <sleon_> Menaherann, laptops are tricky
[12:12] <topyli> Menaherann: you're running this x session in screen :1 ?
[12:12] <sleon_> Menaherann, i don't know if ubuntu will run good on laptops
[12:12] <sleon_> Menaherann, i heard suse linux runs best
[12:12] <topyli> sure it will
[12:12] <sleon_> topyli, oh ok
[12:12] <Menaherann> ok... how about his:
[12:12] <thoreauputic> sleon_: sure it will - depends on the laptop though
[12:12] <sleon_> thoreauputic, right
[12:12] <Menaherann> i five the specs of this machine
[12:12] <Menaherann> ans you tell me which version i could run?
[12:12] <sleon_> thoreauputic, i have here one with via chrome card
[12:13] <topyli> of course some laptops won't run any linux well
[12:13] <sleon_> thoreauputic, this was such a pain to get it working(i don't almost a lfs install :D)
[12:13] <thoreauputic> iBook G4 running warty beautifully here :)
[12:13] <sleon_> s/don't/done/
[12:13] <sleon_> nice
[12:14] <ironwolf> sleon_: apt-get install livestreamer doesn't seem to work, where would I find livestreamer?
[12:14] <thoreauputic> except for airport extreme and sleep mode - neither of which are important to me
[12:14] <sleon_> ironwolf, moment
[12:14] <sleon_> ironwolf, i seek it for you
[12:14] <topyli> Menaherann: if ubuntu really won't cooperate, you could try and install mandrake. it's different enough, but still quite smart with laptops
[12:15] <Menaherann> will it run on this?
[12:15] <topyli> no way to know
[12:16] <sleon_> ironwolf, sorry streamtuner
[12:16] <sleon_> :D
[12:16] <topyli> Menaherann: the cpu and memory are enough for any distribution. but perhaps none will run because of the graphics card or something
[12:16] <sleon_> ironwolf, and get the latest verion
[12:16] <sleon_> http://freshmeat.net/redir/streamtuner/30913/url_homepage/streamtuner
[12:16] <ironwolf> sleon_: I'm on hoary, would the archive have it?
[12:16] <sleon_> it will have most features then
[12:16] <stef_65> Menaherann, maybe give Kanotix a try (improved Knoopix with Laptop-Focus)
[12:16] <sleon_> ironwolf, no idea :D
[12:16] <sleon_> ironwolf, it is very easy to compile it though
[12:17] <thoreauputic>  $ apt-cache search streamtuner
[12:17] <topyli> Menaherann: but i still say it's just a gnome-session problem :)
[12:17] <thoreauputic> streamtuner - A GUI audio stream directory browse
[12:17] <thoreauputic> it's in  warty even
[12:17] <thoreauputic> see above
[12:17] <topyli> Menaherann: one that i can't solve i'm afraid, not over irc anyway
[12:17] <sleon_> thoreauputic, yes, but newest version has most cool features :D
[12:17] <sleon_> thoreauputic, i am version fetishist
[12:17] <Menaherann> so Mandrake or Kanotix, then?
[12:18] <topyli> yeah, try them
[12:18] <thoreauputic> might bneed universe and multiverse enabled sleon_ ah, I see my bad :(
[12:18] <stef_65> Menaherann, I'd try Kanotix first, it's as well aLive-CD and only a quick download
[12:18] <topyli> yeah, mandrake is big
[12:18] <sleon_> thoreauputic, ubuntu can't find scsi discs in vmware
[12:18] <sleon_> thoreauputic, how to make it use scsi ?
[12:19] <thoreauputic> sleon_: I have no idea, sorry - maybe someone else has experience with this
[12:20] <thoreauputic> sleon_: can't afford vmware anyway ;)
[12:20] <sleon_> this is 30 day test version
[12:20] <sleon_> :D
[12:20] <Menaherann> all right... thanks for your help... guys....
[12:20] <thoreauputic> I see :)
[12:20] <sleon_> you can get unlimited testverions :D
[12:20] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: good luck :)
[12:20] <topyli> sleon_: i bet you get it working fine on day 29 :)
[12:20] <sleon_> hehe
[12:21] <sleon_> topyli, other distros work fine here
[12:21] <ironwolf> sleon_: universe has same version as website... trying it now.
[12:21] <sleon_> ironwolf, cool!
[12:21] <sleon_> Menaherann, hey
[12:21] <sleon_> Menaherann, if you want i can ssh to your laptop
[12:21] <stef_65> Anybody has an idea where the mounted drives in the 'Places'-Menu in Hoary have gone. After a dist-upgrade last week the menu changed a lot, and i want my mounted drives back in the 'Places' manu...
[12:21] <sleon_> Menaherann, and find out what is wrong
[12:22] <thoreauputic> sleon_: hmm.. encouraging bad habits - giving root to strangers...
[12:22] <sleon_> yes
[12:22] <topyli> Menaherann: if someone offers you that, take it. it's the quick way
[12:22] <sleon_> thoreauputic, i done a lot
[12:22] <sleon_> thoreauputic, things like that
[12:23] <thoreauputic> sleon_: while you're at it, you'll install an open relay for postfix, right ;) ?
[12:23] <sleon_> thoreauputic, hehehe

[12:23] <sleon_> thoreauputic, i know
[12:23] <Menaherann> well, what do you mean, sleon?
[12:23] <sleon_> Menaherann, is your notebook connected on network?
[12:24] <Menaherann> sadly no
[12:24] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: he's offering to administer your machine remotely
[12:24] <sleon_> Menaherann, can you connect it?
[12:24] <thoreauputic> over a secure ssh connection..
[12:24] <Menaherann> i wold do it but i have no connection yet on this thing
[12:24] <sleon_> Menaherann, how do you connect to internet?
[12:24] <sleon_> Menaherann, modem? cable?
[12:25] <sleon_> do you have local lan?
[12:25] <Menaherann> with my desktop
[12:25] <Menaherann> dsl lan
[12:25] <ironwolf> sleon_: archive version seg faults.  trying from source
[12:25] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: it's always easier to install a distro while connected -that means the connection is usually configured automatically
[12:25] <sleon_> Menaherann, can you connect your notebook to homelan?
[12:26] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: and you can say yes to the question about installing packages
[12:26] <Menaherann> yep, but how if now i have no os
[12:26] <sleon_> Menaherann, i can tell you then how to configure things so it will get internet
[12:26] <topyli> Menaherann: your os is running just fine
[12:26] <sleon_> Menaherann, i will tell you how to do it
[12:26] <kuru> I'm trying to use cdrecord to write to a CDRW
[12:26] <sleon_> Menaherann, from textmode
[12:26] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: the OS is working perfectly - it's the window manager that isn't
[12:26] <kuru> i loaded all the necessary modules (it's an IDE CD writer)
[12:26] <kuru> and then ran cdrecord -scanbus
[12:27] <kuru> scsibus0:
[12:27] <kuru>         0,0,0     0) '' '' '' Disk
[12:27] <kuru> this is all i get
[12:27] <kuru> the rest are *
[12:27] <kuru> am i doing something wrong?
[12:27] <thoreauputic> kuru: cdrecord -scanbus only works for ide-scsi - you have a 2.6 kernel
[12:27] <topyli> kuru: try cdrecord -scanbus -dev=ATAPI
[12:27] <Menaherann> well, i could connect it via usb
[12:28] <kuru> ah
[12:28] <sleon_> Menaherann, not ethernet?
[12:28] <Menaherann> or i could plug another wireless card
[12:28] <thoreauputic> kuru: /dev/cdrom will point to /dev/hdc or something
[12:28] <sleon_> Menaherann, does it have ethernet card?
[12:28] <kuru> topyli: ok, that gives me my CD drives
[12:28] <Menaherann> i have a wireless ethernet card
[12:29] <kuru>         0,0,0     0) 'HL-DT-ST' 'DVD-ROM GDR8162B' '0015' Removable CD-ROM
[12:29] <kuru>         0,1,0     1) 'HL-DT-ST' 'CD-RW GCE-8483B ' 'B105' Removable CD-ROM
[12:29] <Menaherann> a netgear
[12:29] <topyli> kuru: good
[12:29] <kuru> topyli: but i can't access 0,1,0 even when I specify -dev=ATAPI
[12:29] <sleon_> Menaherann, and a normal ethernet?
[12:29] <kuru> topyli: cdrecord -v blank=all speed=10 dev=0,1,0 -data music.iso
[12:29] <Menaherann> nope
[12:29] <kuru> ugh
[12:29] <sleon_> Menaherann, what is the exact model of the card?
[12:29] <Menaherann> i know
[12:29] <kuru> topyli: cdrecord -v -dev=ATAPI blank=all speed=10 dev=0,1,0 -data music.iso
[12:30] <thoreauputic> kuru: specifying /dev/hdc or whatever will also work
[12:30] <sleon_> Menaherann, what is running on the main desktop?
[12:30] <Menaherann> netgear WG511
[12:30] <kuru> cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/sg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver.
[12:30] <kuru> this is what I get
[12:30] <topyli> kuru: hmm. i don't much use cdrecord. in xcdroast i just use /dev/hdc
[12:30] <Menaherann> i connect on the desktop via usb
[12:30] <sleon_> Menaherann, what is the desktop? windows?
[12:30] <dud> kuru, usually just use -dev=/dev/hdd will work
[12:30] <thoreauputic> kuru: ls -l /dev/cdrom
[12:31] <Menaherann> yep
[12:31] <sleon_> xp?
[12:31] <dud> altho not recommended, itll work
[12:31] <Menaherann> yep
[12:31] <kuru> ok, let's see
[12:31] <thoreauputic> kuru: that should show what device the link points to
[12:31] <sleon_> Menaherann, ok
[12:31] <kuru> still same thing
[12:31] <kuru> it points to /dev/hdb
[12:31] <dud> its a known bug that the scsi emulation in ubuntu might be sligthly borked
[12:31] <sleon_> Menaherann, when you will use wireless lan card
[12:31] <thoreauputic> kuru: then use /dev/hdb ?
[12:32] <sleon_> Menaherann, what is the accesspoint?
[12:32] <sleon_> Menaherann, what will you need to connect with?
[12:32] <topyli> kuru: and what is /dev/hdb? is it the right device?
[12:32] <kuru> topyli: yes it is
[12:32] <Menaherann> dont follow
[12:32] <kuru> topyli: but it says:  No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/sg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver.
[12:32] <dud> kuru, by using -dev= point to the acutal devices in /dev/* i'll guaratee itll work flawlessly :)
[12:32] <thoreauputic> dud: well, scsi emulation is deprecated with 2.6.* kernels
[12:32] <dud> try it with the -dummy option to check
[12:32] <kuru> dud: I just did
[12:33] <kuru> it doesn't work for a different reason
[12:33] <kuru> it's not convinced I have /dev/sg0
[12:33] <scoon> anyone here change the irq of their agp slot or any other card for that matter ?
[12:33] <topyli> kuru: well, i for one don't have /dev/sg0
[12:33] <dud> are you running the ide-scsi module?
[12:33] <kuru> dud: yes
[12:33] <sleon_> Menaherann, when you will try to connect other wlan card
[12:33] <dud> dont run that... just run ide-cd
[12:33] <thoreauputic> kuru: possibly /dev/sg* is pointing to the wrong place
[12:33] <dud> must less hassle
[12:33] <sleon_> Menaherann, with which device will you talk?
[12:34] <Menaherann> though this one....
[12:34] <Menaherann> my desktop
[12:34] <kuru> thoreauputic: it's not pointing to anything
[12:34] <ironwolf> sleon_: ok, so the build-dep is borked for streamtuner but seems I've got all the deps fixed... building now.
[12:34] <thoreauputic> kuru: sounds like your device link needs changing then
[12:34] <dud> i strongly recommend ditching ide scsi emulation on newer kernels
[12:35] <sleon_> ironwolf, interesting
[12:35] <topyli> kuru: get rid of scsi if you don't have scsi disks
[12:35] <kuru> topyli: i do have scsi disks
[12:35] <thoreauputic> kuru: ln -s /dev/hd* /dev/cdrom or whatever
[12:35] <kuru> topyli: all my hdd's are scsi
[12:35] <topyli> kuru: oh :)
[12:35] <sleon_> Menaherann, or we could also try to make a connection other usb too
[12:36] <thoreauputic> kuru: your cdromsare scsi too?
[12:36] <kuru> thoreauputic: how does that help? I have 2 cdrom drives, one cdrw and another is dvd
[12:36] <kuru> thoreauputic: no they're not
[12:36] <kuru> thoreauputic: otherwise it would have been a lot more straight-forward ;)
[12:37] <topyli> kuru: you may have to revert to using scsi emulation for the cdrw
[12:37] <Menaherann> sleon, so i wolud have to give you acces to the whole network?
[12:37] <thoreauputic> kuru: :/ I'm just telling you what I did - I might have the link wrong butb I tracked down which link to point at which cdrom anf dvdd
[12:37] <sleon_> Menaherann, no
[12:37] <Menaherann> the  how do you plan to connect?
[12:37] <kuru> thoreauputic: since I have two CDROM drives, one goes to /media/cdrom1 and another /media/cdrom2
[12:38] <sleon_> Menaherann, can you descrive how is the usb network was working
[12:38] <kuru> thoreauputic: it makes the cdrom2 one is the CD writer
[12:38] <thoreauputic> kuru: those are just mount points
[12:38] <sleon_> Menaherann, which ip addresses the windows xp box has
[12:38] <sleon_> Menaherann, and which one the client used
[12:38] <kuru> thoreauputic: right, and the cdrom writer is called /dev/hdb
[12:38] <Menaherann> how do you plan to gain acces to the internet form htis laptop?
[12:38] <sleon_> Menaherann, 1) configure usb networking
[12:38] <sleon_> to have access other windows xp
[12:38] <kuru> I rmmod'ed sg and ide-scsi
[12:38] <thoreauputic> kuru: you need to point the *device* at /dev/hdd or /dev/hdb or whatever
[12:38] <kuru> i re-ran cdrecord -dev=ATAPI -scanbus
[12:38] <topyli> kuru: i see two options. somehow convince cdrecord to use atapi or use ide-scsi for hdb
[12:38] <sleon_> Menaherann, is it already configured?
[12:38] <kuru> I got the resuolts like I Expect
[12:39] <sleon_> on the windows xp side?
[12:39] <kuru> now it says: cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg1'. Cannot open SCSI driver.
[12:40] <thoreauputic> kuru: sorry, but I fear you are not paying attention: you have broken your links - you need to redefine them
[12:40] <kuru> thoreauputic: i'm not only not paying attention, I have no idea what you're talking about ;)
[12:40] <topyli> kuru: how about dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 for the cdrecord command?
[12:41] <topyli> use the correct numbers of course
[12:41] <thoreauputic> kuru: also check if your grub bootloader has a line like ide-scsi - if so, get rid of it
[12:42] <kuru> topyli: ah.. werrrrrrrrrks
[12:42] <topyli> \o/
[12:42] <Yod4> Hello to the community
[12:42] <kuru> thoreauputic: i think topyli is the one who seems to understand my problem.. you're like, in la la land or something ;)
[12:42] <sleon_> Menaherann, can you respond more quickly?
[12:42] <topyli> kuru: i cheated and looked at the cdrecord man page
[12:42] <Menaherann> sorry
[12:42] <kuru> topyli: i've been looking at it for awhile
[12:42] <kuru> topyli: much appreciated though
[12:42] <thoreauputic> kuru: erm.. no, what I was saying worked for me here
[12:42] <ironwolf> sleon_: streamtuner FTBFS from archive, trying from source I got from link you gave me.
[12:43] <Menaherann> ok...
[12:43] <Menaherann> i don't follow the plan
[12:43] <thoreauputic> kuru: and I understood your problem
[12:43] <Menaherann> please specify
[12:43] <sleon_> query?
[12:43] <oscarh> does anyone know if it is possible to get javahl (subversion bining) as a .deb package?
[12:44] <sleon_> Menaherann, are you ignoring my query?
[12:45] <Menaherann> i don't follow
[12:45] <thoreauputic> kuru: the fact that you didn't follow me doesn't mean I'm crazy ;)
[12:45] <sleon_> Menaherann, do you know what query is?
[12:45] <Menaherann> nope
[12:45] <Menaherann> i guess
[12:45] <ironwolf> sleon_: even building from source it seg faults.  any clues?
[12:46] <sleon_> ironwolf, wow
[12:46] <sleon_> Menaherann, what are you using ?
[12:46] <sleon_> Menaherann, for chatting
[12:46] <ironwolf> sleon_, was hoping for more than wow... :)
[12:46] <sleon_> ironwolf, check agains what it is linked
[12:47] <ironwolf> sleon_: huh?
[12:47] <sleon_> ironwolf, ldd
[12:47] <sleon_> ironwolf, ldd `which streamtuner`
[12:48] <sleon_> ironwolf, check if there are Not Found libs
[12:49] <ironwolf> sleon_: found everything
[12:49] <sleon_> ironwolf, strace
[12:49] <sleon_> strace it
[12:49] <sleon_> and look for suspicious parts
[12:50] <Hwolf> Ugh. It's a major pain to move about 80 gig of data to a different partition if you only have 120 space in total
[12:52] <dud> sometimes, with problematic ubuntu debs segfaulting... i've experience that debian debs runs fine
[12:52] <dud> eg, nvidia-settings
[12:54] <ironwolf> sleon_: strace produced a 443k file, and it seemed to die while it was saying loading plugins, I have NFC what to look for in that file...where do I start?
[12:54] <sleon_> ironwolf, search from the segfault back
[12:55] <ironwolf> sleon_: what am I searching for?
[12:55] <sleon_> ironwolf, lucking files
[12:55] <sleon_> ironwolf, or lines with permission denied
[12:55] <sleon_> aka not found , permiison denied
[12:55] <ironwolf> lucking?
[12:55] <sleon_> lack
[12:55] <sleon_> sorry
[12:56] <sleon_> ironwolf, better do : strace -e open -o log streamtuner
[12:56] <ethanhunt007> anyone knows how t
[12:57] <dud> usually Bad Things(TM) happens at the end of an strace, so you could parse the log through tail if its insanely large
[12:57] <ethanhunt007> anyone knows how to config wireless network in ubuntu
[12:57] <ethanhunt007> anyone knows how to config wireless network in ubuntu!!!
[12:58] <ironwolf> ethanhunt007: yes
[12:59] <dud> first pasting a question, and seconds later repeating it with 3 exlamation marks, isnt a clever way to get help
[12:59] <ironwolf> sleon_: /usr/lib/python2.4/encodings/utf_8.so is a "No such file or directory" ... would that do it?
[01:00] <sleon_> ironwolf, it could have found it at alternative location
[01:00] <sleon_> in the nextlines
[01:00] <Phr0stByte> Thank goodness for alien! Got Maya installed!
[01:00] <ethanhunt007> can you help me ironwolf
[01:00] <zeedo> hey Phr0stByte
[01:00] <ethanhunt007> can you help me ironwolf
[01:00] <dud> hehe, alien is a nice piece of perl scripting
[01:00] <ethanhunt007> can you help me ironwolf?
[01:00] <ironwolf> ehtanhunt007: ask your question *once*
[01:00] <Phr0stByte> zeedo: hey
[01:00] <dud> stop repeating ok ethanhunt007?
[01:00] <ethanhunt007> GOT IT
[01:01] <dud> i'm sure tom cruise wouldnt repeate either
[01:01] <zeedo> dud: didnt see the second movie then ? :-D
[01:01] <ethanhunt007> that wasnt funnny dude, it was pretty lame
[01:01] <thoreauputic> ethanhunt007: you might try not shouting as well...
[01:01] <carambol> i get @at booting htis message: buffer i/O errors device hda5 ligical block 111472
[01:01] <dud> zeedo, haha, touch
[01:01] <carambol> wht htis mean?
[01:01] <zeedo> dud: :-P
[01:02] <carambol> what this mean and hof to fix it?
[01:02] <jbm> does ubuntu have some YAST like equivalent config program i can invoke from command line??
[01:02] <dud> carambol, try fsck'ing it?
[01:02] <carambol> ok
[01:02] <siimo> jbm: apt-get ?
[01:02] <carambol> brb
[01:03] <dud> yast is suse's control center? or package manager?
[01:03] <jbm> siimo: i was hoping for configuration stuff not installation. like my apache settings or do i need to just manually edit .configs?
[01:03] <jbm> dud: yes yast is both those things
[01:04] <dud> ubuntu being debian based, it lacks the point'n'click configuration that suse has
[01:04] <siimo> jbm: well for apache you may have to but most of the packages are configurable on install anyway or dpkg-reconfigure for main configs
[01:05] <jbm> siimo: thanks that answers that
[01:06] <Phr0stByte> Can anyone tell me how to fix this : root@UbuntuBox:/home/phr0stbyte # glxinfo | grep "direct rendering"
[01:06] <Phr0stByte> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[01:06] <Phr0stByte> direct rendering: No
[01:06] <Phr0stByte> ?
[01:07] <topyli> jbm: i just use webmin for the few services i run
[01:07] <siimo> suse mandrake and fedora have graphical config utilities as far as i know and coughlinspirecough
[01:08] <jbm> ya i have run all of those distros, just started ubuntu tonight. looking around ;)
[01:08] <topyli> siimo: they don't have debconf, so you actually have to configure a lot of stuff there :)
[01:09] <siimo> i actually prefer manual editing of .conf files
[01:09] <siimo> thing i find hardest is adding and removing daemons on different runlevels
[01:09] <siimo> sysv-rc-conf is good for that
[01:10] <jbm> ya like in yast there is a runlevel editor and you just add deamons there and its easy you know
[01:10] <thoreauputic> siimo: re: linspire - they *have* made some contributions - the nvu html editor, for example
[01:10] <topyli> siimo: yeah, we have update-rc.d
[01:10] <siimo> apt-get install sysv-rc-conf
[01:12] <jbm> hmmm, looks like i have to go research adding apt repositories before i can install that package
[01:13] <topyli> jbm: probably uncommenting universe is enough
[01:18] <website> how can i say ot grep to see: argumen1 (every space) argument2?
[01:19] <linux_galore> website: grep argumen*  filename
[01:21] <linux_galore> website: are you after everything between two things
[01:21] <website> i can't since there are some lines using argument
[01:21] <website> i need to see argument (any character) argument2
[01:22] <linux_galore> website: gawk or sed is better at that
[01:22] <website> ok using sed
[01:23] <sincero> website: egrep 'arg1|arg2' filename
[01:23] <linux_galore> sed -n "^[A-Za-z] */,/www./p;/www/q"
[01:23] <linux_galore> something like that
[01:23] <website> uhm
[01:24] <linux_galore> gawk "{IGNORECASE=1}; /web:$/,/www.*/"
[01:24] <linux_galore> actually error on that sed
[01:24] <linux_galore> sed -n "/^[A-Za-z] */,/www./p;/www/q"
[01:24] <linux_galore> better
[01:25] <leggolaas> linux_galore: you here to mate ?
[01:25] <leggolaas> I was logging out when I found this one
[01:25] <linux_galore> basically thats starts with a character then ends with www the second www part means the first case of www found it stops
[01:25] <leggolaas> linux_galore: why arnt you on #slug ?
[01:26] <Lucien> Hey.
[01:26] <jbm> topyli: yes uncommenting universe allowed install thanks, what about flashplayer though apt still cant find one?
[01:26] <linux_galore> leggolaas: dont know havent looked yet someone having a row
[01:26] <Lucien> It seems I have some troubles with playing music ( mp3's ) on ubuntu.
[01:26] <ironwolf> what is EAGAIN when strace says "Resource temporarily unavailable" ?
[01:26] <kuru> cdrecord: faio_wait_on_buffer for writer timed out.
[01:27] <kuru> what does that mean? it's bombing out?
[01:27] <topyli> jbm: try apt-getting flashplugin-nonfree
[01:28] <leggolaas> linux_galore: do you know who I am ?
[01:28] <jbm> thx again!
[01:29] <Lucien> Hey, can someone tell me how to improve sound quality on ubuntu, it's not an hardware issue, I know that for sure. But the playback of music sounds awful. I have changed the repositories to hoary, so I already have the latest version. Is there a way to install the newest ALSA-drivers ?
[01:32] <topyli> Lucien: alsa works just fine, or at least playback shouldn't be "awful" because of that
[01:34] <Lucien> Yes, but the fact that it works with you doesn't mean I actually made a mistake, or whatever. It means that the distro doesn't provide the proper drivers. So, where can I download them ?
[01:34] <evarlast> Lucien: what kind of card?
[01:34] <LinuxJones> Lucien, if you card is working you have the correct drivers
[01:35] <Lucien> ATI IXP150.
[01:35] <Lucien> AC97.
[01:36] <Lucien> But why is the playback that awful then ?
[01:37] <evarlast> Lucien: I had volume control problems with my emu10k a while back.  Try messing with the volume controls?
[01:37] <evarlast> Lucien: also, try another player?  What does it sound like?  What player are you using?
[01:37] <Lucien> I am using every player that I can find via Synaptic.
[01:38] <goldfish> heh
[01:39] <evarlast> Lucien: wow.  that is a lot of players.
[01:40] <linux_galore> /meo O (does he have the right wing player)
[01:40] <Lucien> Ok, not every player..
[01:40] <Lucien> :P
[01:40] <Lucien> But Zinf, XMMS, Rhythmbox, and Totem (movie) player.
[01:42] <tor_> Does the ubuntu install cd for AMD64 boot in 64 bit mode? If so, does it have gcc runnable?
[01:44] <mjr> the latter is doubtful; gcc isn't even a default install
[01:44] <thoreauputic> tor_: don't know about the AMD64 version, but on Warty at leastyou have to apt-get install build-essential to have a working gcc
[01:45] <tor_> Ok. Do you know of any bootable cd that does?
[01:45] <MeMa|Sorcerer> hi
[01:45] <thoreauputic> tor_: probably knoppix
[01:46] <Ribs> I think even Gentoo's LiveCD would
[01:46] <thoreauputic> tor_: I seemto recall it included gcc by default
[01:46] <tor_> I couldn't find and 64 bit knoppix
[01:46] <Ribs> but let's not go there :)
[01:46] <tor_> I just came here from gentoo
[01:46] <Ribs> why do you need gcc?
[01:46] <thoreauputic> yes - gentoo without a compiler would be unthinkable ;)
[01:47] <tor_> Unfortunately the Gentoo LiveCd doesnt seem to have gcc available at boot
[01:47] <thoreauputic> tor_: this is where recovering gentoo people come ;) </joke>
[01:48] <tor_> Ribs: I want to see how my c code would work on AMD64
[01:48] <leggolaas> greetings ubuntians !
[01:48] <tor_> thoreauputic: ;-)
[01:48] <Ribs> tor_: without installing a base system first?
[01:48] <Ribs> hr
[01:48] <Ribs> m
[01:48] <thoreauputic> leggolaas: greetings, O most strange traveller, to this channel of odd humour
[01:49] <tor_> Preferably. I dont want to spend half a day just to try a little bit of code
[01:49] <topyli> should we take leggolaas to our leader now?
[01:49] <LinuxJones> tor_, it takes about 25 minutes to do an install
[01:49] <thoreauputic> I, for one, welcome our new overlord *grin*
[01:50] <LinuxJones> tor_, what are you running on there now ?
[01:50] <tor_> LinuxJones: Yes, but I would have to learn ubuntu...
[01:50] <tor_> LinuxJones: Gentoo :-)
[01:50] <LinuxJones> tor_, you know Gentoo ?
[01:50] <LinuxJones> tor_, you will have no problems at all
[01:51] <sleon_> how to prevent installer to copy the debs that where not installed to hdd?
[01:51] <topyli> tor_: you don't exactly "learn" ubuntu. if it doesn't work, you just file a bug :)
[01:51] <sleon_> during install
[01:51] <tor_> LinuxJones: Ok, I might try it. I assume there wont be and trouble installing on a specific partition.
[01:52] <no0tic> sleon_: say no to that question
[01:52] <LinuxJones> tor_, nope
[01:52] <sleon_> no0tic, there is no question in normal mode
[01:52] <sleon_> no0tic, only when i do it in expert mode ...
[01:52] <no0tic> sleon_: ah, I didn't know that
[01:52] <tor_> But I will kill someonw if it overwrites my MBR without asking first
[01:52] <sleon_> no0tic, maybe is there some bootoption?
[01:53] <LinuxJones> tor_, you can backup your MBR to floppy if your paranoid
[01:53] <thoreauputic> tor_: I think from memory, it asks - but run the expert install to be sure
[01:53] <Xappe> tor_ , yes it asks...at least when i did the warty install in november
[01:54] <leggolaas> has any ubuntian used ndiswrapper before ??
[01:54] <thoreauputic> leggolaas: almost certainly... not I , though...
[01:54] <leggolaas> thoreauputic: lol
[01:55] <thoreauputic> :)
[01:55] <leggolaas> thoreauputic: I dont blame you , but it's for a client of mine
[01:56] <sleon_> leggolaas, yes
[01:56] <LinuxJones> leggolaas, did you read the ndiswrapper howto on the wiki ?
[01:57] <sleon_> leggolaas, but under mandrake
[01:57] <sleon_> leggolaas, i will replace mandrke with ubuntu soon on that box
[01:58] <leggolaas> indeed I did dudes:)
[01:58] <leggolaas> did it require a complete recompile of the kernel ?
[01:59] <marcusT> Any chance to get Warty installed on a A8N-SLI Deluxe with RAID-0 as root?
[01:59] <leggolaas> LinuxJones: I did read as I do normally for these things
[02:01] <l3m> what's the root password on the livdcd?
[02:01] <evarlast> sleon_: have you replaced mdk with ubuntu elsewhere?
[02:01] <evarlast> l3m: did you try "root"
[02:02] <l3m> yes
[02:02] <l3m> it's not root nor ubuntu
[02:02] <thoreauputic> l3m: just do sudo -s
[02:02] <l3m> ok thanks
[02:02] <sleon_> evarlast, i don't have mandrake elsewhere to replace it :D
[02:02] <thoreauputic> should give you a root shell
[02:02] <dud> the root password is blank on the livecd isnt it?
[02:02] <l3m> worked :)
[02:02] <leggolaas> l3m: there shouldnt be one
[02:02] <evarlast> sleon_: ah.  I was curious, because I was not impressed with my mdk-> ubuntu switch.
[02:03] <sleon_> evarlast, the best thing is: ubuntu has much more packages then mdk
[02:03] <topyli> l3m: aren't you already root with the livecd
[02:03] <topyli> ?
[02:03] <sleon_> evarlast, and they are easier to install
[02:03] <evarlast> sleon_: really?  mdk contrib has many many packages!  :)
[02:03] <l3m> topyli: no. but sudo -s'ing helped :)
[02:03] <topyli> oh.
[02:03] <sleon_> evarlast, what is different by ubuntu  then on mdk?
[02:03] <thoreauputic> topyli: i think there's a root shell in themenu somewhere
[02:04] <topyli> yes
[02:04] <sleon_> evarlast, what is lacking?
[02:04] <thoreauputic> heh- kde I suppose ;)
[02:04] <leggolaas> mmmm guys , did ndiswrapper need a complete kernel compile when you did it ?
[02:04] <topyli> sleon_: a few annoyances :)
[02:04] <sleon_> topyli, and these are ? :D
[02:05] <evarlast> sleon_: it lacks a cd audio burning application.  I know gnome lacks a k3b equiv, but I was still surprised by this.  Also, my audio was detected poorly and incorrectly.  I was also surprised by the use of mozilla-proper rather than firefox, and there was a long list of packages which I had to install that mdk usually did for me.
[02:05] <evarlast> That said, the gnome experience on ubuntu is infinitely better than it is on mandrake.
[02:05] <sleon_> evarlast, like mp3 shitz?
[02:05] <sleon_> evarlast, which burning app are you using?
[02:05] <sleon_> on ubuntu?
[02:06] <evarlast> sleon_: ?  not mp3 shitz.  Just burning audio.  I ended up using cdrecord from command line.
[02:06] <thoreauputic> evarlast: umm... ubuntu uses firefox - what made you think it used mozilla?
[02:06] <sleon_> evarlast, is there no k3b for ubuntu?
[02:06] <topyli> sleon_: configuing draksec, fighting drakconf, cleaning up after the wizards, the stupid blue of the galaxy theme, RPM... for starters :)
[02:06] <sleon_> topyli :D
[02:06] <Xappe> evelast, check out graveman or gnomebaker for audio burning
[02:06] <topyli> :D
[02:07] <evarlast> thoreauputic: for some reason I have mozilla proper installed.  I'll have to check my logs to see if something required it.  gecko-sharp maybe?
[02:07] <sleon_> is there no k3b for ubuntu at all?
[02:07] <Xappe> yes there is
[02:07] <topyli> sleon_: actually i like mandrake, used it for years, ummm... since 7.0 or something
[02:07] <Guardiann> sleon_ you can install k3b
[02:07] <evarlast> sleon_: I don't think so.  See the audio burning howto on the wiki.
[02:07] <Xappe> sleon_, but it's a kde app and some people don't want to mix...
[02:07] <sleon_> Guardiann, can i easily install k3b and will it be properly configured?
[02:08] <sleon_> Xappe, a ok
[02:08] <thoreauputic> evarlast: I noticed it was installed - but so was firefox. Mozilla wasn't in the menu but when I apt-getb installed it it was already there...
[02:08] <Guardiann> sleon_ yes mine works fine
[02:08] <evarlast> exactly.  I didn't want 500MB+ of KDE libs just for k3b :)
[02:08] <Xappe> sleon_, a have it installed and working
[02:08] <sleon_> thx guys
[02:08] <evarlast> thoreauputic: somehow it got into my menu too!
[02:08] <thoreauputic> hmm... odd
[02:08] <sleon_> evarlast, really so much?
[02:08] <Guardiann> evarlast i didnt install 500mb
[02:08] <evarlast> 200mb then :)
[02:08] <Xappe> but i'll remove it if gnomebaker and graveman turns out ok
[02:08] <sleon_> evarlast, i will tell you how much more :D
[02:08] <leggolaas> thoreauputic: dude I take it ndiswrapper isnt very popular , since the #ndiswrapper room is dormant
[02:09] <evarlast> leggolaas: the ars linux guys have an ndiswrapper how-to IIRC
[02:09] <evarlast> leggolaas: but are you sure you need to use it?
[02:09] <sleon_> evarlast, it is very easy
[02:09] <sleon_> evarlast, you compile kernel module
[02:09] <sleon_> load it
[02:09] <Riddell> evarlast: kdelibs is certainly not 500MB
[02:09] <sleon_> then point ndiswrapper to the windows driver
[02:09] <sleon_> and it installs it
[02:10] <sleon_> err leggolaas
[02:10] <thoreauputic> leggolaas: I don't know, frankly - I don't know anything much about ndiswrapper except that it gets discussed in #debian a fair bit - but I wouldn't go there if you are thin-skinned ;)
[02:10] <Guardiann> Riddell no its not far from it
[02:10] <topyli> evarlast: i have no kde libs here. apt-getting k3b would download 25.1M and use 72.4M after install
[02:10] <resiak> You definitely shouldn't go into #debian and ask Ubuntu questions.
[02:10] <website> how can i say to sed to look only to foo insead of foobar?
[02:10] <evarlast> topyli: ah!  thanks, that is nothing!
[02:11] <Xappe> i have an apt problem with graveman right now though...i built it from source with apt-get source -b to get mp3 support but now apt wants to upgrade it to the one in the repos
[02:11] <thoreauputic> resiak: exactly
[02:11] <sleon_> evarlast, only a little more then nero
[02:11] <evarlast> website: use a forward looking zero length assertion ;)
[02:11] <thoreauputic> resiak would be right :)
[02:11] <evarlast> website: sed -e 'foo(?!bar)'
[02:11] <website> evarlast, i don't understand
[02:11] <Xappe> and locking the version in synaptic does not help
[02:11] <website> ok
[02:11] <evarlast> website: try that, I don't know if sed will understand the PCRE there
[02:12] <leggolaas> thoreauputic: :) thank you dude
[02:13] <leggolaas> thoreauputic: do they shoot it down over there ? :)
[02:13] <Xappe> even tried a 'sudo echo graveman hold | dpkg --set-selections' with no result
[02:13] <resiak> leggolaas: They shoot you down because Debian != Ubuntu.
[02:14] <thoreauputic> leggolaas: #debian is an interesting spectatorblood sport, if you enjoy that kind of thing ;)
[02:14] <evarlast> Xappe: your sudo is messed up there.
[02:14] <evarlast> echo graveman hold | sudo dpkg --set-selections   <-- is what you want me thinks
[02:14] <leggolaas> thoreauputic: ahhh I learnt how to swear , would that help :)
[02:14] <thoreauputic> leggolaas: lots of clued people though - I learnt much there :)
[02:15] <evarlast> #debian is a place to idle and learn.  not a place to chat.
[02:15] <thoreauputic> leggolaas: no, you needto speak fluent bash and awk ;)
[02:15] <leggolaas> thoreauputic: lol
[02:15] <topyli> Xappe: still fighting eh? I'd just build another package and give it version number 8.2 :)
[02:15] <leggolaas> how about perl ?
[02:16] <thoreauputic> leggolaas: that would get you brownie points for sure ;)
[02:16] <leggolaas> thoreauputic: :)
[02:17] <Frafraxy> i use ubuntu hoary
[02:17] <topyli> how do you curse in awk?
[02:17] <Frafraxy> what i must do for install ati driver for xorg?
[02:17] <leggolaas> thoreauputic: how do they take to ubuntu /? it's GNU !
[02:18] <topyli> Frafraxy: i think it's explained in the wiki. also at ubuntuguide.org
[02:18] <Xappe> evarlast: ah, now we're talking
[02:18] <thoreauputic> leggolaas: varies. Some are pro, but some just repeat "Ubuntu is not Debian!" ad nauseam...
[02:19] <resiak> leggolaas: I warned you.
[02:19] <topyli> Frafraxy: ah, not for xorg though, sorry
[02:20] <thoreauputic> leggolaas: bad case of "not invented here" , seems to me, although Ubuntu *is*off-topic, so they have a point
[02:20] <evarlast> Xappe: I'm surprised that 'sudo echo' was even working.  since echo is a built-in and not an external exec.  But your sudo was only on the echo... after the pipe is a different process, and that needs to be sudo'ed as well :)
[02:20] <evarlast> err... instead.
[02:20] <resiak> evarlast: There's an echo binary too.
[02:20] <Frafraxy> who can help me?
[02:21] <evarlast> resiak: I guess so.  I'm used to systems with no /bin/echo.
[02:21] <resiak> leggolaas: I haven't time to read the scrollback. What's the problem with ndiswrapper?
[02:21] <resiak> evarlast: Hell, there was a time when it wasn't a builtin at all! :O
[02:21] <thoreauputic> Frafraxy: your $DEITY, perhaps ;) ?
[02:21] <Xappe> evarlast, yes I should've noticed :)
[02:21] <evarlast> resiak: well of course :)  I'm sitll waiting for a builting of ls :)
[02:21] <Xappe> but it's working now though, so i'm happy
[02:21] <resiak> evarlast: echo *
[02:22] <evarlast> resiak: but the time it wasn't a builtin was LONG ago.  10yrs+
[02:22] <leggolaas> you guys reading the debian room ?
[02:22] <resiak> leggolaas: I'm happy to help, but on the right channel.
[02:22] <evarlast> resiak: lol.  I was thinking long format, but echo * is damn sweet :)
[02:22] <thoreauputic> leggolaas: not atm
[02:23] <resiak> thoreauputic: I'm doing exactly what I said I would.
[02:23] <resiak> leggolaas: What's not working?
[02:23] <thoreauputic> leggolaas: BTW, if you say "room" in #debian, you get flamed :)
[02:24] <thoreauputic> leggolaas: channel!
[02:24] <thoreauputic> hehe
[02:25] <_Hiro_> everything mounted in /media is no longer shown on my desktop in hoary, is there a fix for that?
[02:25] <stef65> _Hiro_, got the same problem
[02:26] <evarlast> room in reference to what?
[02:26] <stef65> It's something with the HAL
[02:26] <_Hiro_> stef65 did you do a dist-upgrade as well? :D
[02:26] <SerialNumber> Hello, everyone.
[02:26] <stef65> Yup
[02:26] <antich> hola, una pregunta. Hay algun canal de ubuntu en castellano?
[02:26] <thoreauputic> evarlast: as in  "the ubuntu room"
[02:26] <stef65> Try reinstalling the HAL
[02:26] <SerialNumber> I'd like to ask a question.
[02:27] <thoreauputic> SerialNumber: nobody does that here ;)
[02:27] <Bandit> SerialNumber ask away
[02:27] <thoreauputic> just go ahead :)
[02:27] <leggolaas> resiak: I have been writing to you mate
[02:27] <evarlast> thoreauputic: oh, I get it.  hehe.  I first did IRC about 10 years ago, so they have always been channels to me.  So I don't know what a room is :)
[02:28] <SerialNumber> I'm very n00b on Linux, and I installed Ubuntu yesterday. However, I need to install a few programs. So, what do I do with the .tar.gz file? It seems to be some kind of a variation to .zip, but it includes the program folders and not an installing program(Like we Windows-idiots usually do), so how do I get it working?
[02:28] <thoreauputic> evarlast: ah... I see... !
[02:28] <stef65> Somebody happen to know how to make the hal starup automatically again... Something is broken after dist-upgarde in Hoary
[02:28] <resiak> leggolaas: I see no messages.
[02:29] <LinuxJones> SerialNumber, what programs do you want to install ?
[02:29] <thoreauputic> SerialNumber: don't. Use the package manager - synaptic
[02:30] <thoreauputic> SerialNumber: it's in the menu
[02:30] <evarlast> what is the menu path?  Desktop->Administration->Synaptic?
[02:30] <Xappe> evarlast, yes
[02:31] <thoreauputic> evarlast: I'm in fluxbox- maybe someone in gnome can look...
[02:31] <LinuxJones> evarlast, Warty Computer >> System Configuration >> Synaptic Package Manager
[02:32] <thoreauputic> SerialNumber: .tar.gz is (usually) source code that needs to be compiled
[02:32] <leggolaas> resiak: stay in one place mate , please
[02:32] <evarlast> SerialNumber: and .tar.gz is used as a last resort.
[02:32] <Guardiann> evarlast on hoary its Desktop->Administration->Synaptic
[02:32] <thoreauputic> SerialNumber: which would be a bit hard and unecessary for you at this stage
[02:33] <thoreauputic> SerialNumber: there are literally thousands of packages available through synaptic
[02:34] <leggolaas> resiak: what's going down ? I say no one replies on the #ndiswrapper room
[02:34] <SerialNumber> Oh. Thank you for the information.
[02:34] <Xappe> heh, i've used hoary for too long. I forget that there is a warty too...
[02:34] <SerialNumber> I was speaking to my friend on phone to help HIM install Ubuntu too. XD
[02:34] <_Hiro_> will ubuntu use X.org from now on?
[02:35] <resiak> leggolaas: I'm not on #ndiswrapper.
[02:35] <thoreauputic> SerialNumber: lots of good info on ubuntulinux.org - and a search function: try a search on "synaptic"
[02:35] <LinuxJones> _Hiro_, one Hoary is released xserver-xfree86 will be no more
[02:36] <LinuxJones> SerialNumber, www.ubuntuguide.org is a great place to browse around as well
[02:36] <coobra_> if i want to burn dvd and images whats the best wey to do that ??
[02:36] <SerialNumber> Thanks.
[02:36] <LinuxJones> coobra_, right click the .iso file and select burn
[02:36] <stef65> Anybody can help me with this HAL and SMB stuff...? Need my drives showing on the desktop again...
[02:36] <leggolaas> resiak: hehehhe
[02:36] <_Hiro_> ok then I guess I better apt-get xserver-xorg now :)
[02:37] <leggolaas> resiak: no wonder you didnt reply !:)
[02:37] <LinuxJones> _Hiro_, Hoary has not officially been released, xorg is not used in Warty the current stable release.
[02:39] <_Hiro_> so I figured :) I upped to hoary because xfree kept freezing on me in warty :/
[02:40] <coobra_> LinuxJones:  heh ok not so hard... feels strange to burn windows on a ubuntu ;)
[02:40] <LinuxJones> _Hiro_, hope it works out for you
[02:40] <LinuxJones> coobra_, that's like a carnal sin :D
[02:40] <coobra_> :P
[02:40] <coobra_> bhha
[02:40] <coobra_> i hawe a client here
[02:41] <coobra_> rejoining
[02:42] <coobra> back
[02:42] <_Hiro_> haven't had a freeze yet, it seems somewhat firefox related though: 'hover of death' I've dubbed it
[02:46] <leggolaas> OK guys thank you all for your help, much appreciated :)
[02:47] <lucien> I have a decoder problem. I thought it was a sound problem, but it seems whole parts of mp3 songs are skipped while playing them.
[02:47] <leggolaas> later dudes
[02:50] <boaz> how do you install ant on warty?
[02:54] <johns_> boaz: apt-get install ant
[02:54] <boaz> from which repo?
[02:54] <johns_> guess it's in universe
[02:54] <boaz> Reading Package Lists... Done
[02:54] <boaz> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[02:54] <boaz> Package ant is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[02:54] <boaz> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[02:54] <boaz> is only available from another source
[02:54] <boaz> However the following packages replace it:
[02:54] <boaz>   libant1.5-java
[02:54] <boaz> E: Package ant has no installation candidate
[02:54] <webby> Hi guys. I'm really struggling with getting gtk-sharp-1.9.1 to install. the make process stops with errors about gapi_codegen.exe
[02:54] <tritium> what is ant?  It's not in Hoary.  I doubt it's in Warty.
[02:55] <webby> does anyone know anything about it?
[02:55] <boaz> java build tool
[02:55] <shock> I wish there would be more bb and fb themes ported to metacity *sigh*
[02:55] <tritium> okay, found libant
[02:55] <shock> I luv the look - but i like the metacity integration into gnome
[02:55] <shock> =)
[02:55] <boaz> I installed it
[02:55] <tritium> boaz, it's in universe in Hoary.  Same should go for Warty.
[02:55] <tritium> Oh.
[02:56] <boaz> bash: ant: command not found
[02:56] <tritium> boaz, did you "sudo apt-get install libant1.5-java"?
[02:56] <boaz> y.ah
[02:56] <thoreauputic> shock: you *could* use fluxbox as a window manager for gnome - tricky I guess
[02:57] <tritium> boaz, that should work, but just using "ant" won't work
[02:57] <boaz> ?
[02:57] <tritium> see my last comment
[02:57] <boaz> I know
[02:58] <boaz> this is post-install
[02:58] <tritium> You have universe listed in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[02:58] <tritium> Oh, you didn't say so earlier.
[02:58] <tritium> boaz, you asked how to install ant on Warty.
[02:58] <tritium> You didn't say you installed it already.
[02:59] <boaz> apparently I didn't insoall it
[02:59] <boaz> deosn't seem installed
[03:00] <tritium> boaz, "dpkg -L libant1.5-java" to find out what files it installed
 shock: you *could* use fluxbox as a window manager for gnome - tricky I guess <--- i know - not tricky
[03:02] <shock> but as i said - i like the integration of metacity
[03:02] <shock> :)
[03:02] <boaz> good idea
[03:03] <mhy> hi
[03:04] <mhy> does anyone know what the g5 support will be like in hoary?
[03:04] <tritium> mhy, try the array-4 LiveCD or install CD and find out
[03:04] <evarlast> mhy: g5?
[03:04] <Alessio> i have upgrade to hoary, but now openoffice's theme is very bad! small font, bad grey! Why???
[03:05] <Alessio> what can i do?
[03:05] <mhy> tierra|h: I've been booting the latest hoary live cd and on the imac g5 it can't find the cdrom and on the powerpc dual g5 it gets as far as detecting the graphics hardware then dies
[03:05] <tritium> Alessio, it probably installed openoffice.org-gtk-gnome
[03:06] <Alessio> i must remove it?
[03:06] <tritium> Alessio, no, nothing says you have to.
[03:07] <mhy> tritium: sorry, I meant that comment above for you
[03:07] <tritium> mhy, That was with array 4?
[03:07] <boaz> grrr, I think I have to install from source
[03:07] <tritium> boaz, unlikely
[03:07] <Alessio> not
[03:07] <Alessio> upgrade from warty
[03:08] <mhy> tritium: let me check
[03:08] <boaz> yeah, I thought so too
[03:08] <tritium> boaz, did you verify the files in the package?
[03:08] <boaz> yeah
[03:08] <Alessio> tritium, perfect :)
[03:08] <tritium> Alessio, if you want to remove the package, do so, but you don't have to.
[03:08] <Alessio> thank you
[03:08] <tritium> Sure.
[03:08] <boaz> it looks incomplete
[03:09] <Alessio> i have installed it.. and it's perfect
[03:09] <tritium> boaz, so "sudo apt-get install --reinstall libant1.5-java"
[03:09] <tritium> Alessio, okay, good.
[03:09] <boaz> I think there must be a reason it's called libant and not ant
[03:09] <tritium> boaz, it's a library
[03:10] <Alessio> i'm luck there's the chat..
[03:10] <boaz> except that it's not
[03:10] <boaz> it's a tool
[03:10] <Alessio> forum is very oppr of answer
[03:10] <website> ciao Alessio
[03:10] <Alessio> *poor
[03:10] <Alessio> hi webby
[03:10] <Alessio> hi website
[03:10] <Alessio> :D
[03:10] <tritium> Alessio, which did you do?  install, or uninstall the package?
[03:10] <Alessio> install
[03:11] <tritium> Okay.  :)
[03:11] <pussfeller> is there a package that has development tools for gedit
[03:11] <pussfeller> comment, indent, etc
[03:12] <boaz> is it ok to install a debian package?
[03:12] <boaz> or will that break my system
[03:12] <jdub> boaz: we discourage it
[03:12] <jdub> boaz: use universe and multiverse
[03:12] <evarlast> does anyone know why hoary has both python 2.3 and 2.4, rather than just 2.4, in the base install?
[03:12] <boaz> jdub: it's not in there
[03:13] <jdub> boaz: then it's generally best to figure out why
[03:13] <evarlast> hehe, I tried to report a bug in a universe package, and they just shut it down ;(
[03:13] <evarlast> or rather, I had the bug and the fix!
[03:13] <jdub> there will be a tracking system for universe soon
[03:13] <boaz> jdub: where can I get ant for ubuntu?
[03:14] <jdub> see if the source package exists, check why it doesn't build, etc.
[03:15] <coobra> ooooh
[03:15] <coobra> ubunto roxxxx
[03:15] <Guardiann> boaz are you talking about this Java based build tool like make -- library
[03:15] <boaz> yeah
[03:16] <Guardiann> its in your synaptic manager
[03:16] <Guardiann> its called libant1.6-java
[03:16] <boaz> It is intended for Debian developers to build Java packages
[03:16] <boaz> in main
[03:16] <boaz> Users should use the ant package from contrib instead!
[03:16] <boaz> ????
[03:18] <invictus> is the wireless network gnome applet gone in hoary?
[03:18] <webby> Hi folks. I'm trying to install gtk-sharp, but make fails on running gapi_codegen.exe (cannot open assembly gapi_codegen.exe) - any ideas?
[03:19] <Xappe> hmm... .exe sounds like windows
[03:19] <webby> Xappe, on linux mono uses .exe, .dll etc
[03:20] <mhy> tritium: I was on the previous release; I'm just burning the new one now; thanks
[03:20] <Xappe> webby, ok
[03:21] <tritium> mhy, I hope array 4 works better.  If not, will you file a bug report, or come back and let somebody know?
[03:21] <mhy> tritium: definately; we're trying to persuade people to migrate from os x here :-)
[03:21] <tritium> mhy, :)  Thanks!
[03:23] <tritium> invictus, no, the wireless applet is gone
[03:23] <evarlast> webby: is gapi_codegen.exe there?
[03:23] <evarlast> webby: warty or hoary?  gtk-sharp is in hoary iirc
[03:24] <LinuxJones> it's in Warty too in the Universe repo
[03:24] <webby> evarlast, yeah it's in the directory where it's looking
[03:25] <invictus> tritium; why? it was soo nice
[03:25] <evarlast> webby: is this a newer version than is in universe?  is it installed in the gac?
[03:26] <tritium> invictus, it was deprecated in Gnome.  Not an ubuntu decision.
[03:26] <webby> evarlast, I'm just using the hoary packages
[03:26] <tritium> invictus, I agree.  I liked it better than Network Monitor.
[03:27] <boaz> well, I just installed the ant from debian; lets hope my system doesn't explode! ;-)
[03:27] <boaz> thanks for the help guys
[03:27] <tritium> mhy, that's got to be harder than convincing people to migrate from windows
[03:28] <invictus> tritium: so when will we see a replacement? something that can do the job just as well...
[03:28] <occy> man... could someone help me find the synclient homepage  Where you can get info on the params?  I have googled and I can't seem to come up with anything.
[03:28] <occy> I WANT to RTFM, I can't find the M.
[03:29] <tritium> invictus, who knows?
[03:29] <tritium> invictus, you can check out thom's Network Manager package
[03:29] <boaz> ant seems to work now
[03:29] <boaz> yay!
[03:30] <arno> hello ubuntu users !
[03:31] <arno> booting from cd, what is the passwd for root?
[03:31] <tritium> there isn't one
[03:31] <djtansey> does anyone know how to get a package removed with its dependencies (meaning the stuff that was installed with it. i.e. kde-core gets rid of everything kde-core depended on)?
[03:31] <tritium> djtansey, you can take a look at deborphan
[03:32] <arno> ok, thank you ! bye!
[03:32] <tritium> I think synaptic can find orphaned packages too, can't it?
[03:32] <evarlast> djtansey: if you do that recursively you end up removing EVERYTHING.
[03:32] <djtansey> tritium: thanks. i don't know how synaptic does it though
[03:33] <tritium> sure
[03:33] <_mvo_> tritium: it can, just install deborphan and create a filter for it
[03:33] <mhy> tritium: same problems with array4 I'm afraid
[03:33] <djtansey> evarlast: well, find the packages it depended on that aren't depended on by other packages.
[03:33] <tritium> _mvo_, ah, okay.  I don't use it.  Thanks!
[03:33] <evarlast> djtansey: I had a script that calculated that on mandrake using rpm/urpmi.  I don't know apt/deb well enough. :)
[03:34] <mhy> tritium: I'll log this in bugzilla; thanks for your help
[03:34] <tritium> mhy, sorry.  Thanks for your help in filing the bugs.  I'm sure the developers will appreciate that.
[03:36] <scaroo> hi ppl ! the rhythmbox/ipod integration doesn t seem to work here. Is it aq known issue ? is there a workaround ?
[03:37] <eder> hola
[03:41] <flosch> hi
[03:44] <LinuxJones> arno, use sudo
[03:47] <da_bon_bon> anyone using array4 ?
[03:47] <Martok> Hey dudes check this out!
[03:47] <Martok> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20050207#1
[03:49] <tritium> Martok, jdub had linked to that in his blog
[03:50] <da_bon_bon> Martok: cool
[03:51] <Martok> Ubuntu is everywhere! Ah ha ha!
[03:52] <da_bon_bon> except on my desktop! :( i want hoary but cant get it
[03:52] <Martok> Ubuntu is still beating Mandrake at distrowatch!
[03:52] <Martok> I can wait until April.
[03:53] <altan> what's the keystroke to clear an input field?
[03:53] <jdub> Martok: elite! :)
[03:53] <[PoVal] Dutchy> is php5 in the package tree? i thought i read that somewhere but it doesnt show up with apt-cache search php
[03:53] <altan> the most frustrating thing about Linux or FreeBSD is that I can't select all and delete, since that clears my clipboard
[03:54] <altan> so I have heard there's a keystroke to clear any input field in X, can anyone tell me?
[03:54] <thesilverhand> da_bon_bon: why can't you get hoary?
[03:54] <da_bon_bon> thesilverhand: becoause i cant think of it - i am on a 33.6kbps modem
[03:55] <Martok> Holy crap man...
[03:55] <mhy> tritium: bugs submitted; thanks for the pointer to the newer cd
[03:55] <thesilverhand> da_bon_bon: makes sense then =)
[03:55] <da_bon_bon> thesilverhand: :))
[03:55] <evarlast> altan: ctrl-a;delete
[03:55] <Martok> da_bon_bon: Are you using a winmodem?
[03:55] <tritium> mhy, of course!  Thanks for doing that.  I hope the problem is resolved soon for you.
[03:56] <oem> hi I'm a linux newbie...just download ubuntu and really like it,both Look&feel:-) Just can't find a DVD writer program in it.Can you suggest some, which has a installation guide with it.I lost my windows and I need to write some dvd's immediatly
[03:56] <da_bon_bon> Martok: external.
[03:56] <Martok> Oh, ok.
[03:56] <Martok> That's cool.
[03:56] <da_bon_bon> oem: apt-get install k3b
[03:56] <tritium> oem, or graveman
[03:56] <Martok> I never got to use an analoge modem with GNU/Linux.
[03:57] <oem> ok trying..now
[03:57] <tritium> oem, k3b will install a bunch of kde libraries.  I'm not sure if that affects your choice.  Just FYI
[03:57] <da_bon_bon> oem: gnomebaker
 altan: ctrl-a;delete <--- but that selects the text and clears my clipboard :/
[03:58] <Martok> Yeah, I wouldn't want all those KDE libraries on my Gnome PC.
[03:58] <thesilverhand> [PoVal] Dutchy: php5 is in hoary
[03:58] <reijo01> hi, how do I reset a user's password after they have forgotten it? thanks
[03:58] <tritium> Martok, neither would I ;)
[03:58] <[PoVal] Dutchy> i have hoary...
[03:58] <altan> da_bon_bon: modem troubles?
[03:58] <evarlast> altan: I thought only mouse selects clear the clipboard.  sorry.
[03:58] <Martok> reijo01: At a root prompt type passwd <user>.
[03:58] <thesilverhand> [PoVal] Dutchy: try aptitude search php5
[03:59] <da_bon_bon> altan: yes, cable disconnected so for the forseeable future on a 33.6
[03:59] <altan> evarlast, it does work! thanks, but I thought there was just one key combo that did it
[03:59] <Martok> A 56k modem wouldn't be much more expensive.
[03:59] <[PoVal] Dutchy> that finds nothing
[03:59] <Martok> I saw a serial 56k modem for like $11 bucks at staples.com I think.
[03:59] <thesilverhand> hmm bring it up on my terminal...try apt-get update and then search
[03:59] <reijo01> Martok thx, i was able to do it with sudo passwd username
[03:59] <altan> ah, but you're not having trouble setting it up, are you?
[04:00] <Martok> reijo01: Ok, no problem.
[04:00] <Martok> I keep forgetting "sudo".
[04:01] <reijo01> funny, it says "Enter new UNIX password"
[04:01] <[PoVal] Dutchy> it still doesnt find it :)
[04:01] <oem> hmm looks like I don't have root permissions...I'm from turkey and Ive got some problems with keyboard too.I wrote my password with English layout heh:-)now I can't find the combination...I hate!!when do we all have a common language:-) ok gonna find another way
[04:01] <Martok> UNIX is a way of life.
[04:02] <tritium> oem, you could always reboot into single-user mode
[04:02] <oem> sorry but what is that?
[04:02] <oem> I log in as a user acount oem
[04:02] <oem> sudo passwd root
[04:03] <thesilverhand> hm I just searched and it comes up...what do you have in your souces.list?
[04:03] <oem> and change the pass
[04:03] <tritium> oem, in grub, select a kernel with the "recovery mode" option
[04:03] <jdub> oem: ew, don't do that :)
[04:04] <[PoVal] Dutchy> where is the sources.list again? i know i editted it for hoary but i dont know my way around in linux very well so i forgot where it is
[04:04] <tritium> [PoVal] Dutchy, /etc/apt/
[04:05] <oem> heh you'r not making fun with me do you ?:)...ok thanks all lets search google.
[04:06] <tritium> oem, no, just trying to help
[04:06] <tritium> if you're locked out, wanted to help you change your user password
[04:07] <[PoVal] Dutchy> i have 4 adresses in it with hoary main restricted
[04:07] <[PoVal] Dutchy> maybe it shouldnt be "restricted" ?
[04:08] <tritium> restricted is a repository
[04:08] <resiak> [PoVal] Dutchy: For finding files, man find; man locate;
[04:08] <thesilverhand> [PoVal] Dutchy: uncomment universe
[04:09] <thesilverhand> then apt-get update and search again
[04:10] <[PoVal] Dutchy> ah ok
[04:11] <vj> hello guys
[04:12] <vj> can someone help me uninstalling applications from ubuntu
[04:12] <rotundo> vj: whats the problem?
[04:12] <vj> hi rotundo
[04:13] <[PoVal] Dutchy> now it finds php5 :D thanks
[04:14] <lx> heya, can anyone help me to make a network between my Desktop, and Laptop (wireless).  With a brlkin router.  Both computers have UBuntu.
[04:14] <thesilverhand> no problems
[04:14] <lx> g
[04:14] <lx> i need help setting up my network
[04:14] <lx> i have laptop and desktop... both have ubuntu
[04:15] <lx> i don't know what to do so they see each other
[04:16] <Martok> Hmm,,,
[04:16] <Martok> A wireless network between them?
[04:16] <ubuntu> newbie asks: i'm new to ubuntu; how can I check the version I'm using?
[04:16] <vj> i installed qt parted, it shows in my system files but not in my application menu
[04:16] <vj> similarly with skype and firestarter
[04:16] <lx> the laptop is wireless... the desktop isn;t.. i am using a router
[04:16] <vj> it works when i click in system tools icon - QTParted
[04:16] <Martok> The version of Linux?
[04:16] <KING^^^> hello all , who knows why my my music is playing too fast ?
[04:16] <Haukkari_> ubuntu: if you mean the version of ubuntu, well, then, it's just hoary or warty
[04:16] <Haukkari_> ubuntu: most likely you have warty
[04:17] <ubuntu> i think it's hoary, but I want to find out for sure
[04:17] <Martok> Type "uname -a" at a console if you want to find out which version of Linux you're running.
[04:17] <jdub> KING^^^: using which player?
[04:17] <KING^^^> xmms
[04:17] <jdub> have you configured it to talk to esound?
[04:17] <Haukkari_> ubuntu: well, I'll have to check on my Ubuntu desktop, I dumped Ubuntu on my laptop. A moment
[04:17] <KING^^^> but ... it happend`s with other players too
[04:17] <wdh> does anyone here have any experience using qtparted, or other parted frontends, for resizen NTFS partitions??
[04:17] <jdub> KING^^^: yeah, have you configured it to talk to esound?
[04:18] <KING^^^> i don't know what u are talking about :)
[04:18] <ubuntu> it came back with "Linux WWR-55-1829 2.6.10-2-386 #1 Mon Jan 24 15:12:41 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux"
[04:18] <Haukkari_> ubuntu: oh, you could always check /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:18] <jdub> KING^^^: find the output setting in xmms preferences
[04:18] <Haukkari_> ubuntu: those sources'll have warty or hoary after those
[04:18] <ubuntu> so is WWR-55-1829 2.6.10-2-386 the version?
[04:19] <shock> i really want suspend support in default ubuntu!
[04:19] <shock> *grml*
[04:19] <shock> *cough*
[04:19] <lx> what do i do to make a network between my computers???  laptop (wireless) - desktop - router
[04:19] <Martok> That's the version of the Linux kernel you're running.
[04:19] <Xappe> if you have the 2.6.10 kernel, you're most likely on hoary
[04:19] <rotundo> ubuntu: thats the kernel version info.
[04:19] <KING^^^> i didn't find it jdub
[04:19] <jdub> shock: it's working nicely on quite a lot of hardware on hoary
[04:19] <jdub> KING^^^: look harder
[04:19] <thesilverhand> ubuntu: follow Haukkari's advice...open sources.list and see if it has warty or hoary repositories
[04:20] <Xappe> ubuntu: do a <ctrl>+<alt>+<F1> and the version should be right above the login prompt
[04:20] <KING^^^> can't find it jdub
[04:21] <Xappe> ubuntu: <ctrl>+<alt>+<F7> to get back to x
[04:21] <h4rryp0tt> molweni ubunties!
[04:21] <Haukkari_> lx: you'll have to set the IP addresses, if the wireless stuff works
[04:21] <tritium> ubuntu, "cat /etc/lsb-release"
[04:21] <ubuntu> sources.list mentions hoary
[04:21] <Martok> I assume "molweni" means hello?
[04:22] <vj> hello rotundo
[04:22] <lx> Haukkari_: how?  i am on the wireless laptop right now.. what do i do so it sees the desktop?
[04:22] <Simmo> thats the one
[04:22] <pikashu> HI all
[04:22] <vj> are you there
[04:22] <Simmo> in Xhosa
[04:22] <Martok> h4rryp0tt: Check this out! http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20050207#1
[04:22] <KING^^^> jdub: ...
[04:22] <Coily> id like to copy as much of the setup from my windows firefox setup, any best practices?
[04:22] <rotundo> vj: yes
[04:22] <pikashu> I've some problems with WIFI Prism ... someone could help?
[04:22] <vj> what should i do
[04:22] <Simmo> oooh
[04:22] <rotundo> vj: about what?
[04:22] <Haukkari_> lx: oh
[04:23] <vj> i just read on the net and did dpkg -r QTParted
[04:23] <Haukkari_> lx: so, umm... "sees the desktop". :)
[04:23] <rotundo> vj: you asked about remove packages, and then elaborated by mentioning some menu things
[04:23] <Martok> Coily: Like your bookmarks and stuff?
[04:23] <ubuntu> thanks all; i'm running hoary development release; fun fun fun
[04:23] <Haukkari_> lx: I really don't know your network configuration
[04:23] <vj> so i think now it is removed
[04:23] <rotundo> vj: in a root terminal you can type "apt-get remove <packagename>"
[04:23] <Martok> ubuntu: How'd you get the development release?
[04:23] <Haukkari_> lx: and I'm in a bit of a hurry... but basically you'll have to see the machines' ip addresses from some of the ubuntu menus
[04:23] <rotundo> vj: or you can open synaptic and remove it from there
[04:23] <Haukkari_> lx: and then try the connection between the machines from the other machine by pinging the other one. :)
[04:24] <Haukkari_> lx: that is, ping <ip address here>
[04:24] <ubuntu> i saw a link to it on digg, downloaded it, burned it an ran it; live cd
[04:24] <lx> Haukari_: ok...   ahhh
[04:24] <vj> yes, because i was able to start the application from system tools but not from the drop down menu -application-system
[04:24] <lx> Haukkari_: at least u gave me a start :)
[04:24] <Martok> I didn't know you could make 2 wifi cards talk to each other.
[04:24] <pikashu> I try to install usb stick AirVast Prism3 ... someone for help ? thx
[04:24] <vj> i removed it from apt-get-synaptics
[04:24] <rotundo> vj: so you wanted to remove it because it wasn't in the right menu location for you ?
[04:24] <Coily> bookmarks, history, form password/google search, user.js, plugins; everything
[04:25] <ubuntu> thanks all; bye
[04:25] <pikashu> :(
[04:25] <vj> and loaded it again, but this time there was no icon in the application dropdown list under system tools