[03:32] <JontheEchidna> I got in the steam beta :D
[03:39] <ScottK> Crap.
[03:39] <ScottK> We need you bored so you'll do stuff.
[04:32] <ronnoc> lol
[04:32] <ronnoc> congrats JontheEchidna you lucky SOB. I'm still waiting.
[05:25] <ScottK> cyphermox: If you get to looking at networkmanagement for Quantal  today, there's already another network management SRU in queue.  Please include that one in your upload as well.
[08:46] <shadeslayer> ScottK: Riddell should I go ahead and upload 4.9.90?
[08:46] <shadeslayer> to raring-proposed
[09:05] <soee> :)
[09:20] <shadeslayer> oh my
[09:20] <shadeslayer> ScottK: HUPNP was very outdated
[09:20] <shadeslayer> uploaded to ppa:rohangarg/experimental
[09:33] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+packages
[09:33] <shadeslayer> clickable link
[09:45] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I'm not sure how to find out what's already been uploaded
[09:45] <shadeslayer> Riddell: did you upload something?
[09:45] <shadeslayer> or did anyone upload anything?
[09:45] <Riddell> not I
[09:46] <Riddell> ScottK was talking about it
[09:46] <shadeslayer> ah
[09:46] <shadeslayer> kde4libs is still at 4.9.80
[09:46] <shadeslayer> so I don't think he uploaded anything
[09:48] <Riddell> presumably not then
[09:48] <Riddell> go ahead with kde4libs if you like
[09:48] <shadeslayer> okay
[09:48] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I actually want to get hupnp in first
[09:48] <shadeslayer> or should we defer that for next upload?
[09:49] <shadeslayer> ah well, can be fixed later
[09:49] <Riddell> what needs hupnp?
[09:49] <Riddell> is it a new hupnp?
[09:49] <shadeslayer> kde4libs
[09:49] <shadeslayer> and our hupnp is *old*
[09:49] <Riddell> I've not been packaging new bits so far
[09:49] <Riddell> I think that's a job for next week
[09:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+packages
[09:50] <shadeslayer> new hupnp already packaged :)
[09:54] <Riddell> well go for that then
[09:54] <Riddell> although I've not yet worked out what UPnP is and it sounds like that sort of thing that could have security issues
[09:59] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you block migration from -proposed till we upload everything?
[10:00] <Riddell> I think ScottK already did?
[10:00] <shadeslayer> idk
[10:00] <Riddell> he said so
[10:00] <shadeslayer> okay
[10:01] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what's your status on nepomuk-core?
[10:01] <shadeslayer> well ... uh ..I went to sleep after talking to you guys
[10:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://i.imgur.com/i8DW3.jpg
[10:03] <Riddell> ever since Sean left Bond films have been pretty poor in their portrayal of Scotland
[10:05] <Riddell> and of course none of the other Bonds are as good since they didn't go to my school

[10:07] <shadeslayer> haha
[10:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: we should just upload it without ffmpeg for now, and figure out what to do next week
[10:15] <valorie> Riddell: when I landed in Edinburgh a few years ago on a trip with my dad and sister, the first kilted man I saw looked like a Bond-era Sean Connery
[10:16] <valorie> I almost walked up to him to start a conversation, just to hear that voice
[10:18] <shadeslayer> weird
[10:19] <shadeslayer> adding libpolkit-qt-1-dev to the build dep of pykde4 doesn't make it pick up polkit-qt
[10:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I seem to remember just dropping the polkit bindings at some point because they didn't work
[10:20] <shadeslayer> oh
[10:21] <Riddell> but check the changelog
[10:22] <shadeslayer> nothing in there
[10:26] <shadeslayer> nothing bzr log as well
[10:30] <Peace-> hi :)
[10:31]  * Peace- sudo apt-get upgrade on 13.04 alpha
[10:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I think we're good now
[10:32] <shadeslayer> the status page is lagging, but libkmahjongg and kmahjongg are done
[10:38] <Riddell> http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu-ppa-build-status.html updated
[10:41] <shadeslayer> cool!
[10:59] <Riddell> shadeslayer: pykde is looking for an old polkit, I've updated the ignore file in automation scripts
[11:00] <shadeslayer> it's looking for an *old* polkit? 0.o
[11:01] <Riddell> old polkit-qt yes
[11:01] <shadeslayer> that .... makes no sense to me, but ok
[11:02] <Riddell> well the bindings just haven't been updated for the new version
[11:03] <shadeslayer> ah
[11:18] <Riddell> groovy 4.9.90 installed and running
[11:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: did you start uploading bits?
[11:18] <shadeslayer> nope, do you want me to?
[11:18] <shadeslayer> I only uploaded kde4libs
[11:19] <Riddell> well it's time to do it I recon so either you can or I can
[11:19] <Riddell> shadeslayer: and hupnp?
[11:19] <shadeslayer> I'd like to do it, I've never used the automation scripts
[11:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: needs sponsoring
[11:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ok I'll take hupnp and kde-l10n and you do everything else?
[11:20] <Riddell> remember to do meta-kde too
[11:20] <shadeslayer> sure
[11:20] <shadeslayer> should I upload meta-kde first?
[11:21] <shadeslayer> and the other thing, do the scripts allow you to remotely sign?
[11:21] <Riddell> yep
[11:21] <Riddell> yep upload meta-kde after kde4libs
[11:22] <shadeslayer> cool
[11:22] <Riddell> I don't think kubuntu-archive-upload has remote signing in it you might need to add that
[11:22] <shadeslayer> oh
[11:22] <shadeslayer> I'll have a look
[11:32] <shadeslayer> *blink*
[11:32] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/621524/
[11:34] <shadeslayer> oh, possibly needs kubuntu-dev-tools
[11:34] <Riddell> yeah
[11:35] <shadeslayer> hmm .. doing this remotely has potential issues like bzr pushing
[11:40] <Peace-> Riddell: :) rpi http://nowardev.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/rpiffmpeg.jpeg
[11:40] <Riddell> whee
[11:46] <shadeslayer> try running KDE on it :P
[11:47] <Peace-> shadeslayer: on the rpi ?
[11:47] <shadeslayer> yep
[11:47] <Peace-> i could
[11:47] <Peace-> i have runned kate and dolphin
[11:47] <Peace-> and they worked fine
[11:49] <Peace-> shadeslayer: :)) http://wstaw.org/m/2012/12/07/plasma-desktopUs2016.png
[11:49] <shadeslayer> nah, I meant the proper plasma-desktop
[11:49] <Peace-> mm
[11:49] <Peace-> i need to install plasma-desktop
[11:51] <Peace-> 306mb of stuff :P
[11:56]  * jussi slaps Quintasan_
[11:58] <yofel> shadeslayer: I personally found HUPnP rather annoying when we tested it back then, but feel free to try it out
[11:59] <shadeslayer> oic
[12:00] <Riddell> jussi: that's very violent!
[12:01] <jussi> Riddell: I suppose... :P - but I didnt do it hard, it was more a friendly "come on you, do what you promised" :D
[12:04] <shadeslayer> yofel: what do you suggest I do wrt to kubuntu-archive-upload asking for auth via LP but lynks not supporting REFER
[12:04] <shadeslayer> that's the only thing that's left to setup on the server
[12:05] <shadeslayer> I even copied ~/.launchpadlib to the server
[12:07] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/621536/
[12:07] <yofel> my usual solution is to make the script use a credentials file that I made on my desktop, here that would mean adding credentials file support to at least 2 scripts
[12:07] <shadeslayer> :S
[12:07] <yofel> doesn't w3m support referers?
[12:08] <shadeslayer> dunno
[12:08] <yofel> IIRC there was a way to authenticate to LP using a text browser. I just haven't tried it in a year or so
[12:08] <shadeslayer> lemme check
[12:09]  * shadeslayer crosses fingers
[12:11] <Riddell> w3m works
[12:15] <shadeslayer> yay
[12:15] <shadeslayer> yeah
[12:23] <yofel> does someone by chance know how to completely wipe the python-keyring configuration?  I still see missing files on the status page. Nothing serious though
[12:38] <shadeslayer> false positives
[12:38] <shadeslayer> or not needed
[12:38] <shadeslayer> ( in case of palapeli )
[12:39] <yofel> still have to be put in not-installed the packages will be red on the page
[12:39] <yofel> put an 'or' in there somewhere
[12:39] <shadeslayer> I did
[12:39] <yofel> hm
[12:39] <shadeslayer> atleast I think I did
[12:40] <yofel> anyway, I'll give backporting to quantal a try when I get home or tomorrow
[12:42] <shadeslayer> yofel: they bumped up prices on buyvm btw
[12:42] <shadeslayer> it's 25 USD for a year now
[12:43] <yofel> for kvm, ovpenvz is 15 from what I see
[12:44] <shadeslayer> oh yeah, for a moment I thought we had kvm
[12:45] <yofel> I wonder if KVM allows swapfiles, if yes that would be the better option
[12:45] <shadeslayer> it does
[12:45] <shadeslayer> ( from what I was told earlier )
[12:46] <shadeslayer> they're offering 50 GB's of additional space for 5 USD a month
[12:46] <shadeslayer> I wonder if they'll take 12 USD and give me 10 GB's for a year
[12:47] <yofel> then taking the 2'nd KVM option with 30G and 256 ram is the better option
[12:47] <shadeslayer> but that'll come out to 60 USD :P
[12:48] <yofel> depends on what you need
[12:48] <shadeslayer> instead, with the openVZ + 10GB space, I only pay 27 USD :)
[12:48] <shadeslayer> yeah, I already have a hefty build server :D
[12:48]  * yofel works around the transmission crashes by restarting it daily
[12:49] <yofel> I really wouldn't mind full 256M
[12:52] <soee> shadeslayer, when can i expect beta2 for quantal ?
[12:52] <soee> :>
[12:52] <shadeslayer> yofel: I might upload it tonight
[12:53] <shadeslayer> erm
[12:53] <shadeslayer> soee: ^
[12:53] <shadeslayer> assuming 4.9.90 uploads fine
[12:53] <shadeslayer> for raring
[12:53] <soee> ah nice, sadly im only on my laptop during weekend :/
[12:53] <yofel> then I'll hold off on that. I'll help with fixing later
[12:53] <soee> so i can try tu update next monday
[12:53] <shadeslayer> does the kubuntu-archive-upload script also bzr push?
[12:53] <shadeslayer> or do I have to write a script to do that :P
[12:55] <yofel> that part is commented out, see bottom
[12:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I think I'll start throwing up the packages for quantal now
[12:56] <shadeslayer> ok
[12:56] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:56] <yofel> it's better to do that seperately in case the script crashes
[12:57] <shadeslayer> uhhhhh
[12:58] <shadeslayer> good point
[13:00] <shadeslayer> yofel: accessing tarballs through the LP API is slow :(
[13:00] <BluesKaj> It looks like the 3.7 kernel definitely has seriuos HW recognition problems on my system.The install progress freezes about 2 secs in on both wireless and wired input devices,
[13:02] <shadeslayer> so. fricking. slow
[13:04] <shadeslayer> ok, not touching this thing for the next one hour
[13:04] <shadeslayer> should be done by then
[13:05] <Riddell> meh usb-creator isn't working on raring "An error occurred while talking to the udisks service."
[13:05] <shadeslayer> heh
[13:06] <Peace-> Riddell: mm i have another error
[13:06] <Peace-> Riddell: type error ky18()
[13:06] <Peace-> i mean on usb-creator-kde on raring
[13:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: Sebastian Trueg requested that we package plasmate in Kubuntu, and they're discussing about a release soonish, so I've added that as a task
[13:07] <shadeslayer> they're in kdereview atm
[13:07] <Peace-> it says even line 47 in module
[13:07] <Riddell> we've looked at it and since there's no release concluded it wasn't ready to package
[13:07] <Riddell> so he's got it the wrong way around
[13:08] <shadeslayer> sure, but they're going to have a release soon
[13:08] <shadeslayer> and if they don't we can nudge them to release it
[13:13] <Peace-> Riddell: http://wklej.org/id/890343
[13:14] <Riddell> Peace-: that's even stranger
[13:14] <Riddell> Peace-: what verson of python-kde4 do you have?
[13:15] <Peace-> Riddell: i just upgrade on raring
[13:15] <Peace-> but wait a moment
[13:16] <Peace-> Riddell: mm seems it is not there
[13:16] <Peace-> Riddell: fresh and clean installation of  13.04
[13:17] <Peace-> i did only  update and upgrade
[13:17] <Peace-> i mean sudo apt-get update etc
[13:18] <Peace-> system says i have python-kde4 installed
[13:20] <Peace-> Riddell: ii  python-kde4                          4:4.9.80-0ubuntu2                           i386         Python bindings for the KDE Development Platform
[13:21] <Riddell> Peace-: wait until 4.9.90 arrives and test then I guess
[13:22] <Peace-> Riddell: ok :D no problem
[13:24] <Peace-> Riddell: btw there is a iso for arm ? rpi ?
[13:24] <Peace-> :DDD
[13:25] <Peace-> i mean of kubunut
[13:26] <Riddell> Peace-: there's an image yes
[13:26] <Riddell> but not for raspberry pi if that's what you're after
[13:26] <Peace-> ah
[13:27] <Peace-> tx :D
[13:31] <jussi> buttons on notifications are too small... :/
[13:45] <dantti_laptop> cyphermox: hi, you asked me to remind about the quantal update :P
[13:49] <Quintasan> jussi: What did I do T_T
[14:03] <shadeslayer> grrr
[14:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kdegames haven't been uploaded to bzr
[14:04] <shadeslayer> :(
[14:04] <shadeslayer> causing : [14:06] <shadeslayer> want to fix first?
[14:06] <Riddell> let me see
[14:07] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/621638/
[14:07] <Riddell> kbounce is in bzr
[14:07] <Riddell> there's a few I'm finding which aren't packaged
[14:07] <shadeslayer> but isn't updated to 4.9.90 maybe?
[14:07] <Riddell> yeah it might need the version number fixed
[14:08] <shadeslayer> dafuq http://paste.kde.org/621650/
[14:09] <Riddell> I have no idea what's gone on there
[14:09] <shadeslayer> me neither
[14:09] <shadeslayer> will fix manually
[14:11] <shadeslayer> W: kdegraphics-thumbnailers source: missing-field-in-dep5-copyright copyright (paragraph at line 9)
[14:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: could you fix versioning in kdegames?
[14:13] <Riddell> shadeslayer: mm ok
[14:16] <shadeslayer> kdesdk has already been released? 0.o
[14:18] <shadeslayer> fun : http://paste.kde.org/621662/
[14:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no kdesdk hasn't, just a changelog issue if it says it has
[14:20] <shadeslayer> okay
[14:20] <yofel> shadeslayer: that trace is shopped off. (Or did it really crash there?)
[14:20] <yofel> *chopped
[14:21] <shadeslayer> yofel: it really did crash there : http://paste.kde.org/621668/
[14:21] <yofel> that's better. I guess some exception handling for parsing error would be nice...
[14:22] <yofel> *errors
[14:22] <shadeslayer> mmmm
[14:24] <shadeslayer> what do I do now @_@
[14:25] <Riddell> shadeslayer: done
[14:25] <shadeslayer> thx :)
[14:27] <yofel> fix the problem in kmahjongg and retry. Preferably after fixing the script
[14:27] <shadeslayer> heh
[14:27] <shadeslayer> but I'm not sure what the problem is tbh :P
[14:29] <yofel> OH, the script fails when you have less than 2 changelog entries
[14:29] <shadeslayer> ah
[14:29] <shadeslayer> hmm
[14:29] <shadeslayer> that's weird
[14:30] <yofel> not really, it parses all versions out of the changelog and compares the last 2
[14:30] <yofel> if there's less than 2 then versions[1] is null
[14:30] <shadeslayer> I see
[14:32] <yofel> I'm not quite sure why it checks the 2nd entry though
[14:33] <shadeslayer> that's what I'm thinking as well
[14:33] <yofel> debfx: ^
[14:41] <shadeslayer> well .. .this is weird
[14:41] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/621680 < says W: kdegraphics-thumbnailers source: missing-field-in-dep5-copyright copyright (paragraph at line 9)
[14:42] <shadeslayer> oh
[14:42] <shadeslayer> typo
[14:45] <shadeslayer> maybe I can get away with just looking ath the last version? :P
[14:45] <BluesKaj> no luck with the mini.iso either , it freezes as well ...tried the 12.10 alternate install and it starts and appears to work ok , I stopped it at the partitioning phase , so the cdrom isn't to blame
[14:46] <BluesKaj> I guess 13 is no longer my lucky number :)
[15:11] <shadeslayer> hmph
[15:12] <shadeslayer> yofel: there's no way to count the number of objects in a list?
[15:12] <shadeslayer> in python
[15:12] <yofel> len(<list>) should do it?
[15:12] <shadeslayer> ah k
[15:12]  * yofel is guessing right now
[15:13] <yofel> yeah, len
[15:14] <yofel> heh, with all the post-4.9.4 fixes we'll now get 4.9.5 after all
[15:16] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/621686/
[15:16] <shadeslayer> just a workaround for now
[15:16] <yofel> please do check if the version is correct...
[15:16] <shadeslayer> ah yes
[15:16] <shadeslayer> will add check
[15:16] <yofel> otherwise fine
[15:25] <shadeslayer> ohkay
[15:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: you already uploaded quantal ? :P
[15:29] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yeah
[15:31] <shadeslayer> heh
[15:31] <shadeslayer> yofel: we can just call : if not version in versions
[15:31] <shadeslayer> would automatically check
[15:31] <yofel> indeed (as long it's not supposed to only check in the first 2)
[15:32] <yofel> but I can't think of a reason why that would be the case
[15:33] <shadeslayer> I'm getting this now : [15:33] <shadeslayer> :|
[15:34] <shadeslayer> and if I do : if version not in versions[0] that gives me : [15:35] <yofel> does it differ? I think the script doesn't support bzr-only changes that aren't in the PPA
[15:35]  * Peace- snowing
[15:36] <yofel> here too ^^
[15:36] <Peace-> yofel: where ?
[15:36] <yofel> Stuttgart, southwest germany
[15:36] <shadeslayer> afaik it should be the same
[15:36] <Peace-> italy verona yofel :P
[15:36] <shadeslayer> but lets check
[15:37] <yofel> thinking about that check: it looks if the first entry is wrong, and if the 2nd entry matches and then barfs
[15:37] <yofel> so another way to resolve this would be:
[15:37] <shadeslayer> heh
[15:37] <yofel> hm, no
[15:41] <shadeslayer> aha
[15:42] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/621704/
[15:42] <shadeslayer> that's why
[15:42] <shadeslayer> someone needs to upload all the kdegames again from bzr :P
[15:42] <yofel> fun
[15:43] <yofel> does it really need to be libkdegames >= 4.9.90?
[15:43] <yofel> or does libkdegames not have a symbols file?
[15:44] <yofel> considering how savy we are on SRU updates, adding a symbols file to libkdegames and dropping the >= would be easier
[15:44] <yofel> hm. or we update that manually and leave it out from the auto-replace magic in initial-upload
[15:45] <shadeslayer> we do have symbols there
[15:46] <shadeslayer> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/libkdegames/view/head:/debian/libkdegamesprivate1.symbols
[15:46] <shadeslayer> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/libkdegames/view/head:/debian/libkdegames6.symbols as well
[15:47] <shadeslayer> Riddell: would you do the honours? since you probably have all of that scripted :P
[15:47] <yofel> good. Then it would probably make more sense to use the ABI manager than a strict version dependency
[15:47] <yofel> same goes for the other libs actually, it was annoying to change the deps for 4.9.4
[15:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: for which?
[15:48] <shadeslayer> kdegames
[15:48] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/621704/
[15:48] <shadeslayer> the packages in the PPA are different from the ones in bzr
[15:49] <Riddell> didn't I just do all those?
[15:50] <shadeslayer> well ... you uploaded the stuff to bzr right?
[15:50] <shadeslayer> now the packaging is completely different :P
[15:51] <Riddell> bzr is libkdegames-dev (>= 4:4.9.90)
[15:51] <Riddell> that's what should be uploaded to the archive
[15:51] <shadeslayer> the PPA isn't
[15:51] <shadeslayer> causing issues with the script
[15:52] <yofel> shadeslayer: if you're bored, copy the diff-check from initia-upload over. It would be nice if one could override this
[15:52] <shadeslayer> heh
[15:52] <yofel> on a per-case basis
[15:55] <shadeslayer> yofel: looking
[15:56] <yofel> it's line 215ff
[15:59] <shadeslayer> hmm
[16:06] <shadeslayer> yofel: I don't see how we can override this
[16:06] <shadeslayer> unless I'm missing something
[16:08] <yofel> in kubuntu-archive-upload line 153ff integrate the user-interaction part from kubuntu-initial-upload
[16:09] <yofel> at the end it currently calls 'continue' there which skips the upload, so let the user decide whether it should upload or not on that point
[16:09] <shadeslayer> right
[16:09] <shadeslayer> but that's my question, how do you make bzr-buildpackage use the packaging from bzr instead of the one from the PPA
[16:10] <yofel> huh? the whole point of bzr-buildpackage is to build from bzr.
[16:10] <yofel> Now I'm missing something...
[16:10] <shadeslayer> ah, nvm
[16:10] <shadeslayer> understood
[16:15] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/621716/
[16:15] <shadeslayer> erm, ignore line 3
[16:17] <yofel> it would actually be nice if it would really show the diff, now you don't know what the diff is
[16:17] <yofel> i.e. add:
[16:17] <yofel>             p = subprocess.Popen(["less"], stdin=subprocess.PIPE)
[16:17] <yofel>             p.communicate("Package: %s\n\n[16:17] <yofel> using the right objects
[16:17] <shadeslayer> hmm
[16:18] <shadeslayer> there's         p = subprocess.Popen(["diffstat", "-l", "-p1"], stdin=subprocess.PIPE, stdout=subprocess.PIPE)
[16:19] <shadeslayer> oh oh
[16:19]  * shadeslayer tries something
[16:19] <yofel> just look at what initial-upload does. it already works there
[16:19] <shadeslayer> right
[16:25] <shadeslayer> wohoo, we have diff stat functionality
[16:26] <dantti_laptop> cyphermox: we just found out it didn't worked, I think it was something left from the cinnamon session, but lamarque is not online now to help debugin..
[16:28] <Quintasan> kimpanel broken as usual
[16:30] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: fix it fix it
[16:30] <Quintasan> how about no?
[16:30] <shadeslayer> fix it x 100
[16:30] <Quintasan> how about I have no idea why are we even working with ibus
[16:30] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: I'm getting you business cards
[16:30] <Quintasan> あああああ
[16:30] <shadeslayer> does that not mean a thing to you!
[16:30] <Quintasan> Okay, so the default ibus-setup works
[16:31] <Quintasan> but getting kimpanel to work
[16:31] <Quintasan> is like
[16:31] <Quintasan> urgh
[16:32] <Quintasan> I believe the package itself is broken
[16:32] <Quintasan> not sure what is broken
[16:39] <shadeslayer> ohahaha
[16:39] <shadeslayer> http://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do
[16:39] <Quintasan> hmmm
[16:43] <Quintasan> ScottK: Is kimpanel supposed to work normally in quantal?
[16:43] <shadeslayer> yofel: I'm not sure, but any ideas what this is : http://paste.kde.org/621740/
[16:44] <yofel> diff probably doesn't like broken symlinks
[16:44] <shadeslayer> hmm
[16:44] <shadeslayer> I've removed kde-workspace, looking at it manually
[16:46]  * yofel makes his way home - bbl
[16:49] <shadeslayer> cya
[16:56] <shadeslayer> god damnit
[16:56] <shadeslayer>     if len(diffstatLines) > 1 or diffstatLines[0] != "debian/changelog":
[16:56] <shadeslayer> IndexError: list index out of range
[16:56] <shadeslayer> \o/
[16:56] <shadeslayer> thank you python
[17:10] <Quintasan> I'd like to believe i got kimpanel working
[17:13] <Quintasan> ScottK: Keep your fingers crossed as I might have got it working in Quantal
[17:22] <Quintasan> ...
[17:23] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: any idea why postinst and postrm scripts are getting ignored?
[17:23] <shadeslayer> uhhhh
[17:23] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: are they being ignored or do they crash?
[17:24] <shadeslayer> and iirc dpkg can only run sh scripts, not bash scripts
[17:24] <Quintasan> ARGH
[17:25] <Quintasan> Y U DON'T WORK KIMPANEL
[17:25] <Quintasan> あああ
[17:25] <Quintasan> hmm
[17:25] <Quintasan> HMMMMMMMMMM
[17:25] <Quintasan> this is retarded
[17:26] <shadeslayer> and maybe they work
[17:26] <Quintasan> mmkay
[17:26] <shadeslayer> just don't do the things that you want
[17:27] <Quintasan> this shit is sh
[17:27] <Quintasan> http://paste.kde.org/621764
[17:28] <shadeslayer> hmm looks ok
[17:28] <Quintasan> whatever
[17:28] <Quintasan> I'm not sure we need this
[17:29] <Quintasan> lemme try it other way
[17:33] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: What I dislike about rekonq it is it's inability to rembember which pages I had opened
[17:34] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I have Uni activity
[17:34] <Quintasan> and at desktop 2 I want to have rekonq open with wolfram alpha
[17:34] <Quintasan> and on desktop 3 I want another window to be opened with tangorin.com
[17:34] <shadeslayer> What I dislike about rekonq is that it has insane code in places
[17:34] <shadeslayer> and my fixes get overwritten by broken code
[17:35] <Quintasan> yet when I restart the activity the rekonq on desktop 2 has some random webpage I opened in third window on the other activity
[17:35] <Quintasan> and rekonq on desktop 3 has no tabs open at all
[17:35] <shadeslayer> yeah iirc that's some bug
[17:35] <shadeslayer> it's on bugzilla
[17:36] <shadeslayer> waiting to be fixed
[17:36] <Quintasan> I believe nonkde apps won't be able to handle activities properly
[17:36] <Quintasan> Which renders it useless T_T
[17:37] <shadeslayer> dafuq http://wstaw.org/m/2012/12/07/plasma-desktoplm2140.png
[17:38] <Quintasan> HRRRRr
[17:39] <Quintasan> okay
[17:40] <Quintasan> I have absloutely no idea how to fix this in packaging
[17:40] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Say, I have the kimpanel added
[17:40] <shadeslayer> hmm executing the lib manually works
[17:40] <shadeslayer> so something weird here
[17:40] <Quintasan> ibus is not started so shortcuts to enable ims don't work
[17:41] <Quintasan> when you invoke ibus-deamon you get the shortcuts alongside GTK gui
[17:41] <Quintasan> i.e this http://i.imgur.com/eGRmA.png
[17:42] <shadeslayer> okay
[17:42] <Quintasan> the kimpanel looks like http://i.imgur.com/kGIJX.png
[17:43] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: no point in showing me, I wouldn't know to fix it :P
[17:43] <Quintasan> wait
[17:43] <shadeslayer> okay
[17:43] <Quintasan> I know how to get this shit working but not how packaging wise
[17:43] <Quintasan> now if you kill the ibus-deamon
[17:44] <Quintasan> and invoke
[17:44] <Quintasan> ibus-daemon -dx --panel=/usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kimpanel-ibus-panel
[17:44] <Quintasan> http://i.imgur.com/9qlJi.png
[17:44] <Quintasan> tadam
[17:46] <Quintasan> ばか！
[17:46] <Quintasan> so it work
[17:46] <Quintasan> s
[17:46] <Quintasan> hmm
[17:47] <Quintasan> so in other words
[17:47] <Quintasan> We need to invoke it right after plasma-widget-kimpanel is installed and everytime after reboot occurs
[17:48] <shadeslayer> uhhh
[17:48] <Quintasan> That way kimpanel WILL work but the initial configuration of input methods is still left to user
[17:48] <Quintasan> because
[17:48] <Quintasan> the ibus input methods list is empty after install
[17:48] <Quintasan> http://i.imgur.com/7RG65.png
[17:48] <Quintasan> like this
[17:49] <shadeslayer> I see
[17:49] <Quintasan> and you need to add the input method your self
[17:49] <Quintasan> http://i.imgur.com/FkNwg.png
[17:49] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: so write a upstart script?
[17:49] <shadeslayer> and then call it post-inst
[17:49] <Quintasan> in my case it was anthy since I'm interested in japanese input
[17:51] <Quintasan> there was this guy on our ML who apparently fixed it
[17:51] <yofel> http://paste.kde.org/621782 - 3) ok, but the others don't look right
[17:51]  * yofel puts updating meta on todo list
[17:51] <Quintasan> but what he was doing was installing kimpanel-ibus-panel.desktop: http://paste.kde.org/621788 -> /etc/xdg/autostart/
[17:52] <Quintasan> that didn't work
[17:52] <Quintasan> he also copied debian/xinput/ibus-kde:http://paste.kde.org/621794 but I have NO idea how that works
[17:54] <Quintasan> debian/xinput/ibus-kde -> /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/
[17:54] <shadeslayer> whaaa
[17:55] <shadeslayer> yofel: meta?
[17:55] <shadeslayer> oh
[17:55] <yofel> we'll need refreshed meta packages
[17:55] <shadeslayer> as in kubuntu-desktop?
[17:55] <shadeslayer> right
[17:55] <yofel> no, kde-meta. At least *I* use kde-full
[17:55] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[17:55] <yofel> and that does not install full kde currently
[17:55] <shadeslayer> right
[17:55]  * yofel fixes kajongg in the meanwhile
[17:57] <shadeslayer> yofel: btw do you know why we checked for debian/changelog in line 153?
[17:57] <yofel> brb, dinner
[17:57] <shadeslayer> k
[17:57] <shadeslayer> oh hmm
[17:58] <shadeslayer> entirely possible that first line is not changelog but some other thing
[17:58] <shadeslayer> like cantor.install
[17:58] <shadeslayer> or sth
[18:07] <shadeslayer> yofel: can you also fix E: kshisen source: version-substvar-for-external-package kshisen -> kdegames-mahjongg-data
[18:07] <shadeslayer> I've skipped it for now
[18:09] <yofel> sure
[18:09] <yofel> o.O
[18:09] <yofel> yeah, the check is weird
[18:09] <shadeslayer> W: ktouch source: syntax-error-in-dep5-copyright line 22: Cannot parse line "Copyright 2004 by Marc Heyvaert (marc_heyvaert AT yahoo DOT com)"
[18:10] <shadeslayer> just don't fix it right now
[18:10] <shadeslayer> might screw up bzr or sth
[18:10] <shadeslayer> it's at libkcddb
[18:10] <yofel> I already fixed kajongg
[18:11] <shadeslayer> drat
[18:11] <yofel> uploaded right now, so maybe it'll be accepted fast enough
[18:11] <shadeslayer> W: libkdeedu source: missing-field-in-dep5-copyright copyright (paragraph at line 6)
[18:11] <yofel> unless that doesn't matter
[18:11] <shadeslayer> dunno
[18:11] <shadeslayer> I think kajongg was done about 20 minutes ago
[18:12] <shadeslayer> this script needs to be multi threaded :P
[18:13] <shadeslayer> but then there's no such thing as multiple threads in python
[18:15] <yofel> well, there is a thread module. But I've never used it. Probably something based on the C one
[18:20] <shadeslayer> W: perlqt source: missing-field-in-dep5-copyright copyright (paragraph at line 5)
[18:24] <shadeslayer> oh god, now I get to sign everything
[18:24] <shadeslayer> yay
[18:35] <shadeslayer> bzr pushing btw
[18:36] <shadeslayer> yofel: Now in kajongg
[18:36] <shadeslayer> bzr: ERROR: These branches have diverged.  See "bzr help diverged-branches" for more information.
[18:39] <yofel> oh, you're pushing changes on your side and I already pushed mine
[18:39] <shadeslayer> right
[18:43] <shadeslayer> okay that should be it
[18:43] <shadeslayer> all branches pushed
[18:43] <shadeslayer> still waiting for signing to complete
[18:54] <shadeslayer> should I skip marble for now?
[18:54] <shadeslayer> or upload it anyway?
[18:54] <shadeslayer> same for kdesdk
[18:54] <shadeslayer> ( both broke ABI )
[19:00] <yofel> if there's no solution planned upstream use the ABI manager and be done
[19:01] <shadeslayer> all the new games get rejected
[19:01] <shadeslayer> because I don't have upload rights
[19:06] <shadeslayer> okay, I just uploaded at the wrong time I think, only 3 builders for amd64 and 1 for i386
[19:06] <shadeslayer> everything else is disabled
[19:08] <yofel> that doesn't look good considering it's friday
[19:08] <shadeslayer> :P
[19:08] <yofel> well ok, it's still work hours in the US
[19:09] <shadeslayer> the buildd's are on a holiday, even they need a break
[19:20] <shadeslayer> all done
[19:22] <jussi> Riddell: whatever happened to my shirt?
[19:56] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: on side note, how will the business cards look like?
[21:08] <ScottK> Quintasan: Yes.
[21:09] <ScottK> Riddell: To clarify from the backscroll  - I did put a block in place to keep kde4libs (and thus the rest of 4.9.90) from transitioning before we are ready.
[21:15] <rbelem> ping danimo
[21:21] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: on side note, how will the business cards look like?
[21:31] <danimo> rbelem: pong
[21:32] <ScottK> apachelogger: I timed how long it took to make the touchpad configuration thingy open up on a Windows machine today and it was 8 seconds (or about that, I got bored and distracted waiting).  Even with the time to start the Python interpreter, we do a pretty good job in comparison.
[21:45] <yofel> shadeslayer: did you ever work out the symbol issues in marble etc before uploading?
[21:46] <yofel> libmarblewidget15.symbols is still from 4.9.80 from what I see
[21:48] <Riddell> yofel: it's ABI breakage
[21:48] <Riddell> I e-mailed their mailing list but they haven't said anything
[21:49] <yofel> sure, but if we put it in the archive in the current state, we need to rebuild the rdeps or things WILL break
[21:52] <yofel> hm, seems he didn't upload, good
[21:52] <ScottK> Isn't this kind of situation why we have the Debian ABI manager?
[21:53] <yofel> sure, it's just that with some packages still broken, some uploaded, and bzr showing pretty much all as uploaded it's a bit hard to figure out what a package's situation is
[21:53] <Riddell> ScottK: I like to give upstream a chance to do the right thing and revert or bump the soname
[21:53] <ScottK> OK.
[21:54] <yofel> Riddell: me too - that's what the release embargo is for, but now it's just holding us up. If they fix it we can remove the abi manager later
[22:00] <ScottK> Maybe use ~abi0
[22:05] <yofel> would work as long as we have a guarantee that upstream will fix it.
[22:06] <yofel> I'll work on the backports for now, it's not an issue there
[22:56] <apachelogger> ScottK: I wonder if windows is the thing we should measure against ^^
[22:56] <apachelogger> but yeah, windows is of course inferior in a lot of regards
[23:01] <ScottK> apachelogger: Just a data point.
[23:02] <ScottK> Actually after several hours on a  Windows 7 machine today my entire Kubuntu experience feels lightning fast.
[23:02] <apachelogger> ^^
[23:02] <apachelogger> windows 7 is quite bad in the performance department
[23:02] <apachelogger> windows 8 improved a lot there IMHO
[23:03] <ScottK> Dunno.  This wasn't a situation where I had a choice.
[23:07] <yofel> apachelogger: does the speed increase of windows 8 compensate the increased time it takes to get to things?
[23:08] <apachelogger> fud alert :P
[23:08] <yofel> I had to use windows 8 for a few hours a few days ago. Sure you get used to it, but it feels kinda clumsy on a notebook
[23:08] <apachelogger> it's like krunner really
[23:53] <valorie> for the record, we have no spyware in our kubuntu flavor, correct?
[23:54] <valorie> re: shadeslayer's link
[23:54] <valorie> http://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do
[23:54] <apachelogger> lol
[23:57] <yofel> we certainly don't have that shopping lens in kubuntu, so unless Amarok sends info about you when you search for songs on amazon we should be fine


[06:55] <dholbach> good morning
[06:59] <BigWhale> morning
[07:00] <BigWhale> We had Ubuntu cake yesterday! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A56VdSmCQAA-liA.jpg:large
[07:03] <coolbhavi> BigWhale, missed the cake :(
[08:15] <czajkowski> BigWhale: how did your talk go ?
[08:18] <BigWhale> czajkowski, it was great... I have to publish slides. All the important parts are in english. :>
[08:20] <BigWhale> I compared God and Flying spaghetti monster and then concluded that those two can't be compared just like operating systems can't be really compared which leads to the statement, that Ubuntu is in fact the best OS in the universe, not just this galaxy. :)
[08:21] <BigWhale> czajkowski, and the cake was awesome. :)
[08:24] <czajkowski> :)
[08:24] <czajkowski> yay
[12:50] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek starting in 10 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom


[22:02] <Xuan_1987> 怎么会出现 帐号已禁用。。
[22:09] <Meris> I could use the Japanese imput method editor under ibus, but some update broke it. As a result of this, The Keyboard Input Methods can not be found any more. All the required packages have been installed afaik. There is an icon of a keyboard in the top-right bar, but right clicking on options in the context menu has no effect whatsoever.
[22:39] <Meris> nerimasu. oyasuminasai.


[12:18] <mdke> newz2000: not that I'm a conosewer of js, but I just like the thing
[12:19] <newz2000> it was originally in flash and some people had a fit... the excuse was that we're starting to ship gnash, but then we realized the flash didn't work in gnash
[12:19] <newz2000> so the agency exported it to png
[12:19] <popey> heh
[12:19] <popey> you had the whole "flash is evil" brigade eh?
[12:19] <popey> :)
[12:20] <popey> newz2000: found someone with a mac
[12:20] <newz2000> well, I see the web stats, and 98+% of the people who come to the ubuntu websites have an up-to-date flash player. But I'm a pragmatist to.
[12:21] <popey> 23:20:32 <+tom> fine
[12:21] <popey> sorry, that's as much detail as I got :S
[12:21] <newz2000> that's enough for me. :-)
[12:22] <mdke> the story is live
[12:22] <newz2000> if it was broke, we'd have gotten more detail I suspect
[12:22] <popey> 23:22:02 <+tom> popey: looks absolutely fine, Safari 99% of the time renders like Gecko anyway :)
[12:22] <mdke> or "frudge"
[12:22] <popey> ooo.. stunning detail
[12:22] <popey> thanks mdke
[12:22] <mdke> I think we should use the word frudge as the past tense for the verb to fridge
[12:22] <newz2000> gracias matt!
[12:22] <newz2000> it was frudged!
[12:23] <newz2000> we could have some buttons people could put on their website... frudge it!
[12:23] <popey> you've been drinking haven't you mdke ?
[12:23] <mdke> maybe
[12:23] <newz2000> :-D
[12:25] <mdke> damn, that frudge thing was the result of several weeks thinking, now I have to pass it off as drunken inspiration
[12:26] <newz2000> g'night
[12:33] <newz2000> ok, well, tomorrow its my goal to fix IE and to add the new fridge features, but for now I'm calling it a day
[12:34] <newz2000> er, no way on earth I can fix IE, I mean make the site look right in IE
[12:38] <popey> hmm
[12:38] <popey> there is something screwy with the code
[12:38] <popey> I have copy/pasted it but the text underneath doesn't link correctly
[12:39] <popey> newz2000: check fridge.ubuntu.com and hover over the add link
[12:39] <newz2000> oops
[12:39] <popey> i can fudge it
[12:39] <newz2000> no, I need to fix it elsewhere
[12:39] <popey> with an <a href=http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/countdown around the whole thing?
[12:39] <newz2000> that's a biggy
[12:40] <newz2000> good catch, and worth delaying supper.
[12:40] <popey> heh
[12:42] <newz2000> fixed, but will take 30m to clear the cache unfortunately. :-(
[12:42] <popey> erk
[12:43] <popey> <a href="" style= hehehehe
[01:08] <popey> looks fixed, thanks newz2000
[01:25] <Rinchen> thanks newz2000 for working on the fridge. been absolutely buried these last few days
[01:42] <popey> newz2000: an ubuntu-uk person made an improvement to the code...
[01:42] <popey> http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/465
[01:43] <popey> so that in the event that js isn't available (for example when syndicated on planet ubuntu) rather than getting a static image you get the same image the js people get
[01:43] <popey> should work in news feed readers too
[01:44] <popey> and so to bed
[01:44] <popey> nn
[02:05] <nixternal> booooyahkah
[12:12] <bluekuja> heya all
[12:12] <bluekuja> hi nixternal :)
[12:12] <bluekuja> newz2000: countdown looks pretty nice
[08:15] <newz2000> So the fridge looks good in all our supported browsers except IE6, where the page is just plain blank below the picture of the fridge. :-(
[08:17] <newz2000> "a little broken" is ok, but blank isn't.
[08:43] <Rinchen> newz2000, funny
[08:43] <Rinchen> newz2000, we just fixed the same issue on LP
[08:43] <newz2000> oh, how? Tell me please
[08:43] <Rinchen> newz2000, it was a css margin content statement that was busted on ie7
[08:44] <newz2000> Hm. Fridge works in IE7, not ie6. And I think I still validated, but will confirm.
[08:45] <bluekuja> newz2000: what do you think about http://www.ubuntu-it.org/
[08:45] <bluekuja> newz2000: we made a really nice countdown there
[08:45] <bluekuja> hi Rinchen :)
[08:46] <Rinchen> newz2000, does it look like the screenshot in this bug?  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/141614
[08:46] <newz2000> bluekuja: slick!
[08:46] <bluekuja> newz2000: :)
[08:46] <newz2000> Rinchen: yes, pretty much
[08:47] <newz2000> bluekuja: the original concept the artists proposed for the countdown was in Flash and each small circle of the logo was a timer counting down. It was catchy, but if you looked at it at the wrong time of day the circles were just tiny slivers.
[08:48] <Rinchen> k, I can't find the fix...let me check my logs
[08:48] <bluekuja> newz2000: oh :D
[08:48] <newz2000> my Win2k vm decided it *needed* to do a windows update, so my computer is crawling at the moment
[08:48] <bluekuja> newz2000: do you have any screenshoot of it?
[08:49] <newz2000> sorry, I don't
[08:49] <bluekuja> ok then
[08:50] <bluekuja> newz2000: anyway Ubuntu's homepage one is cool too, it's simple and looks pretty nice
[08:50] <newz2000> yeah, internally we were very divided about using Flash and there were some strong emotions. If it had worked with the Gnash plugin, we'd probably have used it.
[08:51] <Rinchen> newz2000:
[08:51] <Rinchen> > The fix is in main-template.pt, changing "#container {margin-top:
[08:51] <Rinchen> > 48px;}" to "#container {margin-top: 30px; position: static;}".
[08:52] <Rinchen> that's what we applied
[08:52] <bluekuja> going for a shower
[08:52] <bluekuja> bbl
[08:52] <newz2000> position: static? I'll have to investigate
[08:52] <newz2000> I've never used it before
[08:52] <newz2000> thanks for the tip, that would rock if this fixed it
[09:00] <popey> up, lots of blank :S
[09:01] <popey> yeah, looks good in ie7
[09:02] <newz2000> popey: how do you test with both?
[09:18] <popey> i have two vms
[09:19] <popey> if you need any help/assistance with it, just shout
[09:19] <popey> (I cant code but I can test)
[09:20] <newz2000> :-) I've got two vms too. I wish there was a way to get two IE's working in the same one
[09:21] <newz2000> and for some reason, IE6 in wine doesn't seem to render exactly the same as IE6 in windows
[09:28] <bluekuja> Rinchen: any news regarding Support/Products/Community broken links?
[09:30] <Rinchen> um, not sure I knew that it was broken.  newz2000 ^^
[09:30] <newz2000> what's this?
[09:30] <bluekuja> check every link on the top
[09:30] <bluekuja> like http://fridge.ubuntu.com/support
[09:31] <bluekuja> and so on
[09:31] <newz2000> ugh, good catch
[09:33] <Rinchen> newz2000, come to think of it, you might want to check the fridge bug list.  That might be on there. They are all assigned to you anyway :-)
[09:34] <bluekuja> :D
[09:34] <newz2000> will do


[13:40] <mup> PR operator#611 opened: Run some charm tests on Push/PR using Github Actions <Created by jnsgruk> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/611>
[15:29] <mup> Issue operator#612 opened: [REQ] Guidance for functional testing <Created by zzehring> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/612>


[17:34] <dsmythies> I do not see pmatulis. I thought there was supposed to be a docs meeting now. ?
[17:34] <GunnarHj> Me too
[17:36] <GunnarHj> A reminder on the list would probably have been wise...
[17:37] <dsmythies> Is there anybody besides Gunnar and myself here for the doc team meeting?
[17:40] <dsmythies> GunnarHj - since you and I communicate reguarly via e-mail, and since nobody else is here, let's terminate the meeting.
[17:41] <GunnarHj> dsmythies: Maybe we could hold it you and me. At least we could clean up the meeting page a bit.
[17:41] <dsmythies> O.K.
[17:42] <dsmythies> license item. I am O.K. with. and I do not think it prevents me from having my debug mirror of help.ubuntu.com on my site
[17:42] <GunnarHj> No problem here either.
[17:43] <dsmythies> new nagivation for help.ubuntu.com seems stalled.
[17:43] <GunnarHj> Right.
[17:44] <GunnarHj> Suppose we can remove the .htaccess action item.
[17:44] <dsmythies> I am very happy with the current state of .htaccess and robots.txt and, finally the CSE. I think search results are actually useful now.
[17:44] <dsmythies> Thanks for your hardword on that
[17:45] <dsmythies> Thanks for your hard work on that
[17:45] <GunnarHj> Thank you. We did it together. :)
[17:46] <GunnarHj> There is one thing I thought about as regards the CSE:
[17:46] <dsmythies> Dustin had wanted to review in "a few days". I was thinking to ask him to review in two months.
[17:46] <dsmythies> go ahead
[17:46] <GunnarHj> Ask Ubuntu is typically very dominating among the search results.
[17:47] <dsmythies> I agree, and have been experimenting trying to get the order different, but haven't figured it out.
[17:47] <GunnarHj> I think it would be good, if it's possible, to show the "Official" items first.
[17:47] <dsmythies> ...using my CSEs, just for testing.
[17:47] <GunnarHj> Ok, you already tried it.
[17:48] <dsmythies> Lets aks Dustin if he knows how to change the reporting order. I'll double check my tests first.
[17:48] <GunnarHj> dsmythies: Good idea.
[17:49] <dsmythies> I agree that ideally we would like "Official" first.
[17:50] <GunnarHj> The current state of the Google index does not include everything. It seems to take a few more weeks until everything is indexed under "stable".
[17:50] <GunnarHj> (and we disabled 12.04, 14.04 etc.)
[17:51] <dsmythies> What about the including wiki review being pushed out to 2 months? I was also thinking to go on list and ask people to try it.
[17:51] <dsmythies> Yes, the full google database updates will take significant time.
[17:51] <GunnarHj> What's "the including wiki review"?
[17:52] <GunnarHj> Aha. Now I understand. :)
[17:52] <GunnarHj> Sure, why not?
[17:52] <dsmythies> Dustin had wanted to review the includion of wiki.ubuntu.com after a few days. I was wanting longer.
[17:52] <GunnarHj> As a side-effect we call people's attention to that rather nifty search tool.
[17:53] <dsmythies> Yes, exactly. I think people staopped using it because it basically didn't work.
[17:53] <dsmythies> Now, I think it is very useful.
[17:54] <GunnarHj> I'm sure Dustin don't mind waiting. But let's ask him.
[17:54] <GunnarHj> Yes, I think it's very useful too. Should be promoted somehow.
[17:54] <dsmythies> I do not know how to run IRC meetings, but...
[17:55] <dsmythies> Action: Doug to re-do CSE order of reporting tests, Then ask for help from Dustin.
[17:55] <dsmythies> Action: Doug ask Dustin for more time before review
[17:55] <GunnarHj> That's excellent. :)
[17:56] <dsmythies> Action: ? go on-list and ask people to try search tool.
[17:56] <GunnarHj> I can take that one.
[17:56] <dsmythies> O.K. moving on...
[17:56] <GunnarHj> Summit?
[17:57] <dsmythies> Yes. I know nothing about it.
[17:58] <GunnarHj> Not much to know, I think. The question I wanted to ask if we want to have our own session (as we use to have - "Documentation roundtable" or something)
[17:59] <dsmythies> I have no strong opinion. We again seem to lacking people helping.
[17:59] <GunnarHj> Right. Let's pmatulis decide.
[17:59] <dsmythies> O.K.
[18:00] <dsmythies> Anything for Desktop?
[18:00] <GunnarHj> Don't think so. Everything is prepared for vivid. So later on I'm going to post something to the list.
[18:01] <GunnarHj> Btw, did you talk about the branch naming matter with pmatulis?
[18:02] <dsmythies> I would like to nail down whatever procedure for the mascot creature icon. Was hoping antdillon would take that one.
[18:02] <dsmythies> For Serverguide "trunk" series. pmatulis never replied. I'll ping again and then just do it.
[18:03] <GunnarHj> I can't see why he would mind.
[18:04] <dsmythies> He is the serverguide driver, so I would like to get his buy-in first. (I wonder if he is away right now)
[18:05] <GunnarHj> Don't know.
[18:05] <dsmythies> For help.ubuntu.com: I was going to use this just after release time to do some cleanup. There are files that are not needed and other odd things.
[18:06] <dsmythies> Also, I think I have somehow messed up the installation guide.
[18:06] <GunnarHj> Ok.
[18:07] <GunnarHj> What's the actual state of the installation guide? Is it reasonably up-to-date?
[18:08] <dsmythies> I don't really know. The thing is that nodoby maintains it. I thought I had found someone willing to take it on, but they bailed.
[18:09] <GunnarHj> Then I think we should raise the question if we should keep publishing it.
[18:09] <dsmythies> my last merge proposal, which reflects what was published, is still sitting there.
[18:10] <dsmythies> The recommandation from both Jermey and Matt was to stop publishing it...
[18:10] <GunnarHj> Who thought otherwise?
[18:10] <dsmythies> However, there are links from other docs (the serverguide) that would get broken.
[18:11] <GunnarHj> Sure, I don't mean we should drop it just like that.
[18:11] <dsmythies> So, I have kept it. But the action could be to drop it and clean up the resulting dea links.
[18:11] <dsmythies> I looked at is breifly this last cycle, it might not be so hard.
[18:11] <GunnarHj> Sounds like a good idea.
[18:11] <GunnarHj> But OTOH...
[18:12] <dsmythies> Action: Doug to look into NOT publishing the installation guide in future, and posssibly retroactively to 14.04.
[18:12] <GunnarHj> Documentation of how to install Ubuntu is very important. Currently I feel we don't have anything really good.
[18:13] <dsmythies> Note: the package would still exist, but we (the docteam) would be out of it.
[18:13] <GunnarHj> Ok.
[18:14] <dsmythies> I agree, but simply don't know what to do. I have tried and tried to get someone to be the driver.
[18:14] <GunnarHj> But wouldn't it be reasonable that we as a (long term) task tried to make something better?
[18:14] <GunnarHj> Ok, the usual problem. :(
[18:15] <GunnarHj> In any case, I agree with the action point. We shouldn't keep publishing something that nobody really maintains.
[18:15] <dsmythies> Also it was nver converted to the new theme.
[18:16] <GunnarHj> Probably because Matt and Jeremy wanted to drop it...
[18:16] <dsmythies> Anything else?
[18:17] <GunnarHj> Nope, don't think so.
[18:17] <dsmythies> O.K. then meeting over.
[18:17] <dsmythies> hmmm... I supoose this isn't going to log properly.
[18:18] <GunnarHj> No, but I suppose it will be available at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ at least?
[18:19] <dsmythies> Yes, pleia2 got this meeting room added to those web pages.
[18:19] <GunnarHj> Confirmed. :)
[18:20] <dsmythies> O.K. Gunnar bye for now.
[18:20] <GunnarHj> Bye Doug. We'll keep in touch.


[01:37] <jose> mhall119: pong
[01:38] <jose> will it be possible to get dates where we *will* have updates?
[01:42] <mhall119> jose: I was going to ask, do you want me to add you (or the on-air calendar) to the meeting invite, so you get notified if we cancel one?
[01:42] <jose> mhall119: yes, please
[01:42] <mhall119> which?
[01:42] <jose><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:43] <mhall119> done
[01:47] <jose> thanks
[01:49] <mhall119> np
[15:24] <akgraner> jose, did you still need me?  Sorry I've been traveling.
[15:24] <AlanBell> o/ akgraner
[15:34] <popey> akgraner: hello stranger!
[15:36] <akgraner> Hey AlanBell  and popey  - I shouldn't be a stranger any more - I am in the land of OCP not Linaro now :-)  And oh by the way OCP rocks.
[15:37] <akgraner> poppy I also blame you for my addiction to Cards Against Humanity (with all 3 expansion packs) that game goes everywhere with me now
[15:37] <akgraner> popey, ^^ I meant
[15:37] <pleia2> blame poppy
[15:37] <popey> haha
[15:37] <popey> \o/
[15:38] <pleia2> ODS does not replace UDS, I miss you guys
[15:38] <akgraner> and twice had to take it out of my suitcase and hand carry it to keep from having my suitcase be overweight
[15:38] <AlanBell> OCP is probably another thing we should be doing instead of the raspberry pi cluster :)
[15:38] <akgraner> pleia2, say hi to Cole for me - we have a booth there
[15:38] <pleia2> akgraner: I shall try :)
[15:38] <pleia2> I went to the Canonical booth, they had banana ice cream
[15:39] <popey> i loved the image of the red hat and canonical stands next to eachother
[15:39] <popey> especially with the RH one pointing to the canonical one
[15:39] <pleia2> did you see the CoF-esque logo on the redhat booth signage?
[15:40] <pleia2> yeah
[15:40] <popey> https://twitter.com/ubuhulk/status/397578945006030848
[15:40] <popey> yeah
[15:40] <pleia2> follow the code, use Ubuntu \o/
[15:42] <jcastro> hey mhall119
[15:42] <jcastro> pleia2, yeah ODS does have better parties though
[15:42] <jcastro> it's good to run into UDS ex pats, heh
[15:43] <SergioMeneses> nice nick and amazing picture
[15:43] <pleia2> jcastro: they are so crowded now :( I've been just doing team dinners
[15:43] <pleia2> now they have all these specialized parties too, "VIP party" "Core devs party"
[15:44] <jcastro> "I'm sorry you can't come into this party, the company you work for didn't sponsor it."
[15:44] <pleia2> HP is throwing the core devs party and I can't go!
[15:45] <pleia2> which is appropriate :) but hey
[15:47] <jcastro> heh
[15:48] <jcastro> pleia2, you'd be doomed too if you volunteered to help the party
[15:48] <jcastro> then you'd be stuck handing out bracelets or something
[15:48] <jcastro> mhall119, .... and I'm out of slots again ... is there a overflow room?
[15:48] <pleia2> jcastro: I managed to duck booth duty too ;)
[15:49] <pleia2> (which is great, since I don't actually know anything about HP)
[15:51] <jcastro> I know HP Cloud is cheap
[15:51] <jcastro> that's my go to line
[15:52] <jcastro> "yes, storage is 50% off compared to AWS, go there."
[15:52] <pleia2> did you see we launched a horizon dashbord today? :)
[15:52] <jcastro> no, link?
[15:52] <pleia2> horizon.hpcloud.com
[15:52] <jcastro> I am disconnected from HK other than the few things I see
[15:52] <pleia2> can log in with your regular account
[15:52] <jcastro> like koolhead on the stage with mark, heh
[15:52] <pleia2> hah, yeah
[15:53] <jcastro> WHOA
[15:53] <pleia2> it's not exactly zippy, but horizon :\
[15:53] <jcastro> this is _nice_!
[15:53] <jcastro> do you know when this will go live to replace the UI used now?
[15:53] <pleia2> it is pretty cool, looking forward to it moving beyond a preview
[15:53] <pleia2> not sure
[15:54] <jcastro> I am sure nick will love rewriting the docs for juju/hp cloud again
[15:54] <pleia2> haha
[15:59] <mhall119> jcastro: there's Hallway, but it's not meant for that
[15:59] <mhall119> jcastro: prioritize man
[16:07] <jcastro> you are preaching to the choir!
[17:12] <jono> jose, hey
[17:12] <jono> so we have moved the weekly update and my Q&A around
[17:13] <jono> we won't do either this week and do start next week
[17:14] <jono> so every Tues at 7pm UK I will do the Q&A
[17:14] <jono> every Wed at 6pm UK we will do the press room
[17:18] <elfy> jono: I love it when UK at UTC coincide :)
[17:18] <jono> elfy, :-)
[17:18] <elfy> it is sooo hard to add 1 the other 6 months of the year :p
[17:50] <mhall119> jono: so the weekly update is canceled for today?
[17:52] <jcastro> oh that works out for me!
[18:05] <elfy> balloons and the rest of the community team - just a point I'd noticed in the last couple of vUDS - can people try and take a bit more notice of those using IRC - while it does eventually get seen - often the 'talkers' on a session are talking about something else when IRC gets noticed
[18:05] <elfy> not a complaint - just an observation :)
[18:06] <elfy> perhaps if those in the video are kind of tasked with at least checking the IRC feed if they are listening
[18:06] <elfy> would make it seem more joined up imo
[18:43] <elfy> jono jcastro balloons mhall119 ^^ you'll be team ;)
[18:44] <elfy> I'll ping dpm and daniel with the same thing as soon as I see them :)
[18:44]  * jcastro nods
[18:51] <mhall119> elfy: team what?
[18:51] <elfy> mhall119: read up about 40minutes
[18:53] <mhall119> ah
[18:53] <mhall119> elfy: feedback from last UDS indicated that we were getting better that that, but we will continue to remind people to watch IRC and respond timely
[18:54] <elfy> cool - didn't actually see any feedback, or did and have forgetten
[18:55] <elfy> I can understand wanting to listen
[18:57] <mhall119> elfy: it was from the post-uds survey we ran
[19:00] <elfy> I suspect I participated :)
[19:00] <elfy> it does ring a bell
[19:48] <balloons> indeed vUDS feedback surveys are quite useful in this regard
[21:21] <mhall119> jono: balloons: can I put some community-centric appdev sessions in one of the community rooms?
[21:22] <mhall119> to make room for more technical sessions in the app dev rooms
[21:22] <balloons> mhall119, most of the secondary rooms are open, but I can't run them.. I'm pretty much running or involved in almost all community sessions
[21:23] <mhall119> balloons: don't worry about running them, I just need somewhere to put them
[21:23] <balloons> I don't need the slots, so up to jono then :-)
[21:24] <mhall119> well, I have them all in appdev currently, but we don't have dpm's yet
[21:24] <balloons> ohh lol, you stole all the rooms with just you eh?
[21:28] <mhall119> I let popey and dholbach have some
[21:32] <jose> jono: is it UK or UTC?
[23:21] <bkerensa> jono: who do sponsorship requests for events go to at Canonical? Debconf has Michelle listed but we were looking it over and thought she might not be the right person
[23:21] <jono> bkerensa, Michelle
[23:21] <bkerensa> ok


[01:53] <xiambax> Ive been able to boot to usb now
[01:53] <xiambax> with a key
[01:53] <xiambax> and i can use the whole os as a live image
[01:53] <xiambax> but installer isn't working
[02:01] <xiambax> after i press forward during the installer it just sits there
[02:35] <pietro10> Hi. what button do I hit to bypass thhe ubuntu screen on startup and go to the kernel boot log?
[02:36] <bazhang> hold shift at boot and set there
[02:36] <pietro10> ok thanks
[02:36] <bazhang> !nox
[02:37] <pietro10> judging from recovery comode booing me up, I don't think that's the answer
[02:37] <pietro10> (recovery mode
[02:38] <pietro10> holding shift doesn't seem to work....
[02:40] <pietro10> eh I could try it
[02:43] <pietro10> ok adding text to the linux line didn't do anything
[02:43] <pietro10> still on the graphical boot
[02:43] <pietro10> ...nosplash!
[02:44] <pietro10> also did it on the init line by mistake lol
[02:44] <pietro10> ok so it's not nosplash...
[02:47] <pietro10> ok got it...
[02:47] <pietro10> it's just hanging after starting timidity++
[02:47] <pietro10> ... b43 switched from DMA to PIO — mayb e that's why I had to boot into windows first with 10.10...
[02:47] <pietro10> but it's still hanging for no reason
[02:48] <pietro10> and I got this error in recovery mode too; and I still was able to get in
[02:52] <pietro10> hm
[02:52] <pietro10> just a theory
[02:52] <pietro10> is there a way to disable nVidia?
[03:03] <kothaguy_ubuntu> hi friends,i want to know the default applications in the natty,i am interesed to install the natty
[03:03] <kothaguy_ubuntu> is there any list of the default applications in the ubuntu 11.04
[03:11] <xiambax> if I'm having issues with the installer i can run updates via the live install disk and try the installer and the issue may be resolved right?
[03:12] <arand> xiambax: I don't know if you can update the installer in the live session I'm afraid.
[03:12] <xiambax> I can't seem to get this thing to install
[03:12] <xiambax> i dunno whats going on
[03:13] <xiambax> tried dvd
[03:13] <xiambax> didn't work
[03:13] <xiambax> tried usb
[03:13] <arand> xiambax: try alternate CD?
[03:13] <xiambax> didn't work
[03:13] <arand> Also, in what way does it not work
[03:13] <kothaguy_ubuntu>  hi friends,recently i downloaded an iso image of natty of ubuntu using zsync,download is completed,i want to use the iso image,a lock mark and cross mark is there on the image,i am unable to copy that image to other folder,i want to make a live cd of it and i want to use it,help please
[03:13] <xiambax> thats my next goal after this finishes updating
[03:14] <xiambax> i click next during the installer and it just freezes there
[03:14] <xiambax> before that i was getting an errno 5 error
[03:15] <arand> kothaguy_ubuntu: What are the permissions on it?
[03:15] <pietro10> Is there a boot option for disabling nVidia? I want to see if that's why normal boot hangs, but recovery does't. (after upgrade from 10.10)
[03:16] <kothaguy_ubuntu> arand, it is saying i am not a root,what i am intended to do is,i want to make a bootable usb of that image with unetbootin,if i give a root permission also,the lock mark is still there on the image
[03:18] <arand> pietro10: There should be some kind of blacklist boot parameter, also, if you get in recovery, you can remove the nvidia drivers there, right?
[03:18] <pietro10> IDK how
[03:18] <pietro10> I can always reinstall them later
[03:18] <pietro10> how would I do that?
[03:18] <pietro10> (I only got them because noveau wouldn't work with my external screen)
[03:19] <xiambax> how can i launch the installer and see whats causing it to lock up
[03:19] <xiambax> xkill
[03:21] <arand> pietro10: I think you should be able to run jockey from the terminal,
[03:21] <pietro10> jockey?
[03:21] <arand> the driver installer
[03:21] <xiambax> yeah
[03:21] <pietro10> ah
[03:21] <arand> .../uninstaller
[03:22] <arand> xiambax: I think /var/log/installer/ would leave some hints if it notices any errors
[03:24] <pietro10> jockey not installed, not found in apt-get
[03:25] <pietro10> what's the package/
[03:26] <arand> Ah, hmm, there's only jockey-gtk/kde, so that won't be of any use, I could've sworn there was a -cli as well...
[03:27] <pietro10> did a google search... got results from 2007
[03:27] <pietro10> this is why google+ubuntu forums=fail =P
[03:28] <arand> Hmm, hang on, it does...
[03:28] <arand> jockey-text is the command
[03:28] <pietro10> ah
[03:30] <pietro10> disabling...
[03:32] <xiambax> So heres what i did to resolve the issue
[03:32] <xiambax> I updated ubiquity on alpha 3 and started the installer. it appears to be working now
[03:33] <pietro10> disabled; rebooting...
[03:34] <arand> Oh, excellent... I was under the impression that several parts of the installer was locked to the version of the liveCD
[03:34] <pietro10> YES that was it
[03:34] <xiambax> well its an alpha 3 installer
[03:34] <pietro10> thanks!
[03:34] <xiambax> but a bug was fixed
[03:34] <xiambax> so updating the installer fixed it
[03:36] <arand> pietro10: Well, now I guess one has to hope that reinstalling new nvidia drivers might work better... or that nouveau has better dual-screen-support this version...
[03:36] <pietro10> :/
[03:36] <pietro10> ok now
[03:36] <pietro10> what's the best way to configure compiz this time? it wanted to remove simple-ccsm and I use compiz's screen magnifier...
[03:36] <pietro10> reinstall simple-cccm?
[03:37] <hasenj> question: flash keeps crashing in firefox, anyone else has this problem? And yes, I have adblockplus and I'm not gonna disable it
[03:38] <arand> Well, I tend to use the ccsm full, I don't know really pietro10
[03:38] <pietro10> :/
[03:38] <pietro10> ok then...
[03:38] <pietro10> ...is "GSettings Upgrade" crashing a bad thing
[03:38] <pietro10> er "GSettings Data Conversion"
[03:43] <pietro10> okay zooming doesn't seem to work anymore
[03:45] <pietro10> specifically "Enhanced Zoom Desktop"
[03:51] <pietro10> Enhanced Zoom Desktop doesn't work in the GNOME2 mode even with a keyboard setting on. How do I fix this?
[04:03] <jmarsden> Why has /usr/lib/libexpat.a in Maverick moved to /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libexpat.a in Natty?  Is that deliberate??
[05:12] <xiambax> how can i start compiz if it crashed
[05:12] <xiambax> without having to log out
[05:13] <xiambax> nm
[05:32] <ChrisBuchholz> xiambax: yeah, i am interested in knowing that too
[05:32] <xiambax> how to restart compiz?
[05:32] <xiambax> just do "compiz --replace"
[05:35] <xiambax> ps alpha 3 needs to be updates as the installer has bugs
[05:38] <ChrisBuchholz> xiambax: but, how would you do that when compiz has crashed? When compiz crashes for me on alpha 3, it seems to also break any keyboard shortcut (for run dialog and so on)
[05:38] <xiambax> just open a terminal and do that
[05:38] <xiambax> it starts it
[05:38] <xiambax> trust me
[05:38] <xiambax> just worked for me
[05:38] <ChrisBuchholz> i see
[05:38] <ChrisBuchholz> thanks
[05:39] <kothaguy_ubuntu> hi friends,i just downloaded 11.04,i want to install it with clean,if any new update is there,i can get it from the update manager na?
[05:40] <kothaguy_ubuntu> since,upgrading to natty is compulsory for me,as it solve my sd card reader problem,and internal mic roblem
[05:41] <kothaguy_ubuntu> anybody there
[05:42] <ChrisBuchholz> kothaguy_ubuntu: well, in the installer, there is an option to "download and install updates".
[05:43] <ChrisBuchholz> Can anybody tell me how maximization+the Dock works? Sometimes if i maximize a window, it will maximize but keep space for the Dock on the left side, which is keept visible. Other times it maximizes 100% horizontally and the Dock autohides. How does it work? How do I choose one anothe?
[05:44] <xiambax> for Cairo Dock?
[05:45] <Tohuw> I believe he means Unity's dock...
[05:45] <kothaguy_ubuntu> ChrisBuchholz, :i have one doubt,if i make a clean install of the natty,the beta releases and other updates,can be installed frm the update manager?
[05:46] <ChrisBuchholz> Tohuw, xiambax: yes, the Unity dock
[05:46] <xiambax> oh
[05:46] <ChrisBuchholz> kothaguy_ubuntu: yes they can.
[05:46] <xiambax> I don't use unity
[05:46] <Tohuw> ChrisBuchholz: The maximization is supposed to cover the dock completely. The behavior of a nautilus window is correct.
[05:47] <xiambax> It is the bane of my existence
[05:47] <kothaguy_ubuntu> k,can i use 11.04 kernel to my 10.04?will it works?
[05:47] <ChrisBuchholz> Tohuw: i see. Sometimes it just doesnt, but leaves space for the Dock which is done shown all the time. I rather like that alternative for some apps, i must say.
[05:48] <Tohuw> kothaguy_ubuntu: The current kernel in Natty is not backported to 10.04. If you're seeking to upgrade to Natty, upgrade to 10.10, then update-manager -d to upgrade to natty.
[05:48] <Tohuw> ChrisBuchholz: As do I. I've been meaning to put in a wishlist bug for that to be an option (alt+maximize or so).
[05:49] <ChrisBuchholz> Tohuw: yes, i see, okay.
[05:49] <Tohuw> kothaguy_ubuntu: back up first.
[05:51] <kothaguy_ubuntu> tohow:what will you suggest me,backup home and do a clean install of 11.04,and update it daily,i have downloaded 11.04's iso with zsync or what is you suggestion for me?
[05:51] <Tohuw> if you've downloaded it, kothaguy_ubuntu, it's easier to just backup your current system, then do a clean install of 11.04
[05:54] <kothaguy_ubuntu> Tohuw, :thank you,whether i have to install all the other applications once agian,i am using a net,where the maxium speed is 25 kbps
[05:59] <Tohuw> kothaguy_ubuntu: ouch! well, each package involves signficant updates. Unfortunately, for maximum stability, I'd suggest just a clean install and then installing all the packages fresh. You might consider downloading them ahead of time at another site where the Internet is faster.
[06:00] <Tohuw> kothaguy_ubuntu: all packages can be downloaded individually at http://packages.ubuntu.org, or by using the "download package files only" option in the GUI, or apt-get -d name_of_package on any system with the proper repos selected.
[06:01] <Tohuw> kothaguy_ubuntu: maybe you can go someplace where the connection speed is better, throw in an Ubuntu LiveCD, and download the packages with a flash drive? Then you can just install them all on your system.
[06:03] <kothaguy_ubuntu> Tohuw, :once again thankyou,what is the difference when i am downloading a total file and downloading a package,for ex what is the difference bwteen sudo apt-get install vlc and sudo apt-get -d vlc ??
[06:04] <Tohuw> kothaguy_ubuntu: the latter command will just download the .deb for you, not unpack and install it.
[06:04] <kothaguy_ubuntu> Tohuw, :usage of the inernet in the data will be differ in the later command?
[06:05] <Tohuw> kothaguy_ubuntu: no.
[06:06] <kothaguy_ubuntu> i want to now other,now i am using 10.04,can i get all the .deb's of applications what i am using,from my system?
[06:12] <Tohuw> kothaguy_ubuntu: Sort of, yes. But it's a bad idea. The packages you have installed are for 10.04, not 11.04. There's a difference. many have been updated, some simply won't work, etc.
[06:16] <kothaguy_ubuntu> Tohuw:regarding backup of evoluion,empathy,gwibber these are the same in the 110.04 also,whether i have to install my mail accounts in 11.04 alos,or can i take this backup in 10.04 and use in 11.04
[06:20] <kothaguy_ubuntu> unable to open packages.ubuntu.org nothing is there,except a banner
[07:51] <kuttans> anyone made compiz working in natty
[07:51] <kuttans> 0.9.4 is broken and unable to fix it
[07:56] <kuttans> noone using compiz
[08:45] <ChrisBuchholz> Hello guys. I am trying to check out the ayatana overlay scrollbar, but nothing happens when i open an application. I have done the commands on the bottom of marks post[1], but when i get to the last line and opens gnome-appearance-properties, the scrollbars are just normal. [1]: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/615
[09:40] <zniavre> good morning
[09:41] <zniavre> anyone experiencing huge memory leaks with vlc and/or pulseaudio ?
[10:59] <rr0hit> Does'nt Unity support systray icons for applications like vlc?
[11:03] <cdbs> rr0hit: Ther's a way to work around that, just a sec
[11:03] <cdbs> rr0hit: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/how-to-hide-or-show-app-tray-applets-in-ubuntu-11-04/
[11:03] <Guest60073> They are on some blacklist. Omg ubuntu had article about it.
[11:03] <Guest60073> /me doesn't remember how to enable tray icons.
[11:04] <Guest60073> Yes, that article :)
[11:05] <Guest60073> Cdbs send that link again
[11:05] <cdbs> Guest60073: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/how-to-hide-or-show-app-tray-applets-in-ubuntu-11-04/
[11:06] <Guest60073> Rr0hit ^^
[11:06] <Guest60073> This client (jmirc) doesn't have copy and paste :(
[11:06] <rr0hit> Guest60073: ok thanks :)
[12:00] <trijntje> Hi all, I cannot install updates because I get the following error, what can I do to fix this?
[12:00] <trijntje> Failed to fetch http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/x/xserver-xorg-video-nv/xserver-xorg-video-nv_2.1.17-3ubuntu7_i386.deb 403  Forbidden
[12:06] <bullgard4> Synaptic 0.70 offers to install the DEB program package gnome3-session. I'd like testing GNOME 3. Is installing the package gnome3-session the proper way to test GNOME 3? Where can I read a background article before I endeavour that?
[12:06] <nerdshell_> When is the release officially programmed ?
[12:08] <Guest60073> !natty
[12:08] <nerdshell_> Thanks ubottu
[12:09] <nerdshell_> I just can't help waiting to see what's new
[12:09] <Guest60073> !thanks | nerdshell_
[12:09] <Guest60073> !thanks | nerdshell_
[12:11] <yofel> trijntje: 403 errors usually mean the archive admins blocked it since the package is broken (denying access is a kind of last resort when something goes horribly wrong)
[12:11] <yofel> or maybe your mirror is just broken
[12:12] <nerdshell_> Is there any unstable release of natty for developers ?
[12:12] <bazhang> nerdshell_, its an alpha now
[12:12] <yofel> sure, see the link in the topic
[12:13] <nerdshell_> When would the beta be released ?
[12:14] <trijntje> yofel, it has been this way for a few day's, is there a way to set another mirror?
[12:16] <yofel> trijntje: you can select a different mirror in your software sources settings
[12:17] <trijntje> yofel, found it, thanks, hope it works
[12:20] <trijntje> its downloading now, lets see if it breaks horribly
[12:22] <trijntje> brb
[12:27] <afv> hi, how can i save the dmesg output before a crash?
[12:31] <bullgard4> afv: Do you mean just a few seconds before? Or in general?
[12:31] <afv> hmm, both maybe
[12:32] <bullgard4> afv: In general you can save the file /var/log/dmesg.log.0.
[12:32] <bullgard4> Just as you would save any other file.
[12:32] <afv> but that's the last one when the system started ok
[12:32] <bullgard4> Yes.
[12:32] <afv> i rebooted a couple of times and it crashed, and that's not logged :\
[12:33] <afv> that's my question :)
[12:34] <afv> when the system crashes and there's no /var/log/dmesg, is there a way to force it to keep writing, so we can get it after the crash?
[12:34] <bullgard4> afv: Your analysis depends on the instant when the crash happened. Can you try to boot into recovery mode?
[12:35] <afv> well, i have a laptop with the nvidia optimus technology and i'm trying to get the dmesg of a boot after the nvidia has been activated on windows
[12:35] <afv> (i have exposed this at #nouveau)
[12:36] <afv> at around 7 seconds the laptop screen is turned off, there's some disk activity, but then it stops
[12:37] <afv> i tried to ssh but it seems it crashed or something: no network, no screen, no tty (tried to switch to a tty and write, even with the screen off, but it didn't work)
[12:38] <afv> ctrl+alt+del reboots, so it's not a "hard crash", i guess, but there's no logs :\
[12:39] <bullgard4> afv: First off - if you "the nvidia has been activated on windows" is not relevant.
[12:39] <afv> (and on a cold boot the screen goes off at the same point too, but then it goes on when X starts)
[12:40] <afv> i think it is, because that's when it hangs..
[12:41] <bullgard4> afv: I doubt that /var/log/dmesg.0  does not contain valuable information for you.
[12:42] <afv> it doesn't hang in a cold boot (the nvidia is detected) nor in a reboot (and here the nvidia is not detected), but hangs on rebooting after windows (the nvidia is detected)
[12:43] <bullgard4> afv: For the last time: "Windows is not relevant in your case."
[12:43] <afv> why not?
[12:43] <bullgard4> afv: Because it is another operating system.
[12:44] <afv> sure it is, but is the operating system that can activate the nvidia card, and that's why i want to get the dmesg after it being activated
[12:45] <bullgard4> afv: Good luck.
[12:45] <afv> thanks
[12:46] <afv> and i told you the /var/log/dmesg.log.0 is the dmesg from when it started okay, not from when it hangs..
[12:48] <afv> i just referred windows because i was trying to explain what i am doing. the question is: how to get the dmesg before the system hangs, proven that it is not saved to dmesg.0
[13:59] <afv> tried again, this time booting a live cd after the hang, and there's no logs..
[14:01] <SudoKing> there are no logs after hangs
[14:01] <penguin42> afv: It depends how/why it hangs - if it's really broken then there is no chance to write anything to disk
[14:07] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[14:07] <penguin42> Hey BK
[14:08] <BluesKaj> hi penguin42 any reports of flash crashes in FF4 ?
[14:08] <penguin42> BluesKaj: I've not noticed any reports but hey I mean flash crashing that wouldn't be exactly unusual
[14:10] <BluesKaj> penguin42, , yeah ,it was stable for the longest time til just now
[14:11] <arand> BluesKaj: I know someone else was in here asking about the sme thing, so at least 2 afffected then I guess
[14:13] <PaulW2U>  I too have experienced a flash crash but using Opera. Making the display full screen all is well until you press escape to revert to normal. Then your display goes crazy.
[14:14]  * penguin42 gets them all the time - have done for years
[14:18] <alex88> the patch in the new kernel that improves performance is the "old" 200rows patch?
[14:18] <BluesKaj> PaulW2U, Opera isn't ready for primetime on natty , alot of pages don't render properly from my experience.
[14:19] <BUGabundo> I have no idea who finally coded Alt+Tab in GNOME, but I want to kiss him/her!!!!
[14:19] <BUGabundo> o/
[14:22] <PaulW2U> BluesKaj, not in my experience. I have four Ubuntu setups and three Windows setups - no problems here
[14:22]  * BluesKaj admires those who can run gnome enjoyably . you must have the gift of fortitude and patience :)
[14:24] <BUGabundo> doh
[14:24] <BUGabundo> I meant Alt+Tab while dragging :P
[14:24] <BluesKaj> PaulW2U, maybe it's kde 4.6 acrting up then
[14:24] <BluesKaj> err acting up
[14:25]  * BUGabundo slaps BluesKaj
[14:26] <wierd0{}>  please archive /etc/fonts directory for me, and link a url i could fetch it from ?  i replaced mine from that of hardys and the results was less than hopeful.
[14:26] <PaulW2U> BluesKaj, I also have a KDE 4.6 setup - all seems ok. I always run the latest daily build too. Rendering pages has not been one of Opera's problems in my experience.
[14:26] <wierd0{}> ooops could someone
[14:26] <wierd0{}> sorry
[14:29] <afv> penguin42, what can i do to force the writing of dmesg right before the hang? is it possible?
[14:31] <Daskreech> Hello How do I change icon size in Unity?
[14:35] <BluesKaj> PaulW2U, I was using opera for a few weeks and I liked it a lot but some on some sites text from paragraph would overlap the one below or above when scrolling and would settle into place , essentially making page unreadable ...frustrating
[14:36] <BluesKaj> err would not settle into it's place
[14:38] <PaulW2U> BluesKaj, I've used Opera since version 3(?). I even paid for it. Yes, there have been problems over the years but may be we just visit different sites. Even my UK bank supports it now!
[14:41] <BluesKaj> PaulW2U, nice
[14:42] <Daskreech> perhaps a better question is can I change the icon size  in unity?
[14:46] <BluesKaj> PaulW2U, I have the opera_11.01.1190_i386.deb version in my installers folder , is this the latest stable version ?
[14:48] <PaulW2U> BluesKaj,  yes it is.
[14:49] <BluesKaj> ok PaulW2U , thanks
[14:56] <PaulW2U> Daskreech, yes. I've just done it. Look at the Experimental tab in CCSM Unity plug-in.
[14:57] <Daskreech> PaulW2U: Ah thanks
[15:03] <Daskreech> PaulW2U: Does that mean that it's being  not ready for primetime? or that it's being tested to see if it will be included?
[15:05] <PaulW2U> Daskreech, no idea. Although I've been using 11.04 for some time this is my first day using Unity. I just looked at all the settings there.  :o)
[15:06] <Trewas> unity shows only empty desktop for me, right-click shows the nautilus menu and that's all
[15:06] <Daskreech> PaulW2U: ha ha Ok thanks. I just found a debate as to if users should be able to change the Icon size or the position of the panel
[15:07] <Trewas> somehow it's difficult to believe that in a month unity is in a usable state, but when has that prevented canonical from shipping somehing as default :P
[15:08] <PaulW2U> Trewas, that happened to me today too. Can you get to a terminal with ctrl-alt-t and enter "unity --reset"?
[15:09] <Trewas> PaulW2U: the laptop is currently booted in windows, but I'll try that later... I checked and there was a couple of bug reports about empty desktop so I thought it is a known problem
[15:10] <shaneo> is samba 4 a necessary app for natty
[15:10] <shaneo> i thought it was some kind of network sharing tool
[15:10] <PaulW2U> Trewas, yes a very common problem. I also share your concerns about the release date by the way.
[15:10] <quiel> hi, alpha 3 is the first time I run ubuntu alpha (have 10.10). but it's still very buggy. Will they be able to finish it?
[15:11] <shaneo> but its colliding with everything i do cant update upgrade or install without it giving me a samba4 error anyway to fix this
[15:11] <arand> quiel: Report the bugs and help fix it ;)
[15:12] <quiel> arand, yeah I do it. Is it always like this 2 weeks before release?
[15:12] <quiel> I remember 6.04 was postponed to 6.10 or something?
[15:13] <arand> Not really 2 weeks though... ~4.5
[15:13] <eBittin> btw is there any good way to get the volumekeys and eject key on a mac keyboard working on Debian PPC?
[15:14] <quiel> arand: but... the release date is the 28th, right?
[15:14] <quiel> ooooh waaiiit
[15:14] <quiel> i got the months mixed up O_O
[15:16] <arand> quiel: I assume many of the issues in this iteration is down to the unity replacing. Plymouth had a lot of issues as well I remeber...
[15:17] <robertzaccour> hey yall
[15:17] <quiel> arand, yes, I can see the unity problems by myself :)
[15:17] <robertzaccour> is it possible to move the unity laucher to the bottom?
[15:25] <quiel> robertzaccour, there is a patch to move left/right/both, so i guess in the near future it might be possible
[15:25] <quiel> robertzaccour, I personally find the sides better for a widescreen
[15:25] <shaneo> can someone please explain to me how to purge previous linux kernels and headers
[15:25] <robertzaccour> I love how the bar moves out of the way when stuff is fullscreen
[15:48]  * penguin42 has an odd rendering bug on +1 with edgers and latest dri kernel; some blurring at the edge of chromium and a few other places - as if something is spreading an effect a bit far
[16:09] <BluesKaj> PaulW2U, any advice on how to defeat the opera built in torrnet client ? I prefer ktorrent with it's blocklist and port settings , since I have my router tcp/udp ports all set for different net applications, rather than their default ports .
[16:15] <PaulW2U> BluesKaj, see here - http://www.opera.com/support/kb/view/840/
[16:38] <penguin42> any other KDE users having problems with hanging kmix ? (bug 720882 )
[16:44] <BluesKaj> PaulW2U, the opera torrent dialog won't save the /usr/bin/ktorrent setting and doesn't allow the "remember setting" checkbox. This becoming a bit tedious.
[16:44] <BluesKaj> guess I should use the support page , PaulW2U , NM , I'll deal with this myself
[16:49] <yofel> penguin42: thanks for reminding me of that, I had that too, after that I removed the file, haven't seen it break anything (yet)
[16:49] <yofel> removing the PulseAudio.Playback_Streams.1.default.xml
[16:49] <penguin42> yofel: Hmm I wonder when it's going to come back
[16:50] <Omega> I have a user called proxy in my login prompt, how do I remove it?
[16:50] <yofel> no idea, I removed it ages ago and it's still gone
[16:51] <penguin42> Omega: It's there because you have a proxy package of some type installed that created a proxy user
[16:51] <penguin42> (and didn't use the uid small enough to be omitted from the list)
[16:55] <Omega> penguin42: Hmm, tor maybe?
[16:55] <penguin42> possibly; never tried it
[16:55] <Omega> I don't remembering having that when I had tor on my old install.
[16:58] <yofel> Omega: hwat UID does proxy have? here it's 13 which makes it hidden (check in /etc/passwd)
[16:58] <yofel> *what
[16:58] <penguin42> yofel: I suspect it depends which package created it
[16:58] <quiel> can someone clear up something for me: normal unity is running compiz, unity 2d is running metacity, correct?
[16:59] <Omega> proxy:x:13:13:proxy:/bin:/bin/sh
[16:59] <Omega> And it isn't hidden here.
[17:00] <yofel> hm, I would blame gdm then (or whatever)
[17:00] <Omega> Hmm, and it seems it isn't tor either, they have their own debian-tor:x:113:123::/var/lib/tor:/bin/bash user
[17:01] <iceroot> Omega: there is an option in gdm, not to show users which have a uid < 1000
[17:05] <Omega> iceroot: Do you know where I can locate it?
[17:06] <vega_>  /etc/gdm
[17:23] <quiel> anyone running the ayatana overlay scrollbars in natty?
[17:23] <quiel> i followed the installation procedure but can't get them to appear
[17:24] <quiel> do I need to logout+login/restart?
[17:25] <Daekdroom> quiel, did you export the environment variables?
[17:25] <quiel> Daekdroom, yes, tried with evince, the good old scrollbars remain
[17:26] <Daekdroom> quiel, is that the only application? I've heard that overlay scrollbars aren't working with all apps and all scrollbars.
[17:26] <quiel> Daekdroom, I tried others as well, but non of the confirmed-working (evince including) works
[17:30] <Daekdroom> quiel, hm, I installed them here right now and they don't seem to work either
[17:30] <quiel> Daekdroom, hm, call it "alpha", I guess :)
[17:30] <Daekdroom> quiel, indeed, anyway, I think that regarding the overlay scrollbars, it's easier to find help over #ayatana
[17:30] <quiel> it isn't the biggest issue with natty ATM, anyway
[17:31] <quiel> Daekdroom, thanks  for pointing out the channel. I never think about other channels existing besides #ubuntu :)
[17:33] <quiel> I have to admin, I didn't like unity at first, but the keyboard shortcuts are amazing
[17:41] <ubuntu_> hi, after some recent update my system will no longer even attempt to boot
[17:41] <legodude> might be some sort of problem with MBR?
[17:41] <legodude> if I put in a USB disk w/ kubuntu on it and from the startup menu choose 'boot from first hard disk' it won't go either
[17:42] <legodude> the screen flashes black really quick and then it goes back to the menu
[17:42] <legodude> but I can boot from the flash drive and mount my hard disk without problem
[17:42] <yofel> can you try to hold the left shift key pressed at the bios screen to see if you can open the grub menu?
[17:43] <legodude> start holding left shift as soon as the computer turns on?
[17:43] <yofel> well, start holding it before grub would show up
[17:43] <legodude> sure
[17:43] <yofel> for some reason the timout for that is 0 seconds
[17:43] <yofel> *timeout
[17:43] <legodude> I'll go give that a try
[17:43] <legodude> brb in a minute
[17:46] <legodude> no idea why
[17:46] <legodude> but that worked
[17:46] <legodude> didn't even give me a menu
[17:46] <legodude> but booted to my system
[17:46] <legodude> so thanks
[17:46] <yofel> o.O
[17:48] <legodude> you get a gold star for the day
[17:57] <ChrisBuchholz> Ey guys. I have a problem with the boot-up of natty. After grub, i get an purple screen and then just one second before gdm starts, i get the ubuntu-load logo. Thats not all, the ubuntu load thing is all wrong resolution. How can i fix this, to get pretty load?
[18:02] <iceroot> ChrisBuchholz: sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old   worked for me
[18:03] <coz_> whoa the plasma netbook in natty ramped CPU to 100%  had to remove it
[18:04] <ChrisBuchholz> iceroot: i will try that, thanks
[18:07] <ChrisBuchholz> iceroot: unfortunately, it didnt work for me. Its the same, but i also now get a pretty nvidia logo upon start up :D
[18:11] <iceroot> ChrisBuchholz: hm i was having the same issue as you and it worked for me (i am also using nvidia/ion)
[18:15] <ChrisBuchholz> iceroot: im not that lucky, i guess :p
[19:04] <mbrigdan> I don't know if this has been changed since when I installed ubuntu (way back), but I figured I might as well bring it up now. The installer used to use some default formula to figure out swap size, but it didn't have any real sanity checks, so I ended up with 11GB of swap. If it hasn't been fixed, it might be something to look into.
[19:35] <bullgard4> I wonder when Ubuntu will provide a DEB program package gnome-shell.
[19:36] <thiebaude> bullgard4, is 11.04 using alot of ram for you?
[19:39] <bullgard4> thiebaude: No. RAM usage is normal here. Of it depends on how many programs you are using simultansously. But top did not show me a larger usage at the first glance.
[19:39] <rocky> is the gtk+ theme crashing and such on latest updates something i can work around?
[19:39] <thiebaude> im using 709 mb out of 2gb and im just running xchat
[19:39] <xim> Good evening gentlemen, I an testing natty and have a small question about the nice flashing panel icon in unity...
[19:40] <xim> ... When I open a link from another app, firefox flashes nicely in the bar.
[19:40] <xim> Can I get the same effect on bell in the terminal?
[19:40] <xim> When I trigger a bell now, nothing happens. At all. :)
[19:41] <thiebaude> brb going to checkout the classic desktop option
[19:42] <xim> Don't think it's explicitely deactivated anywhere, and the bell option in gnome-terminal is on
[19:42] <bullgard4> rocky: I did not experience Gtk+ trouble during the last two days. Gtk+ worked all right with me.
[19:43] <xim> It would be nice to get a notification somehow when someone sends me emails or talks to me in irssi :)
[19:46] <rocky> bullgard4, do you know if 3d accelerated driver is required?
[19:47] <rocky> unity isn't starting up either
[19:47] <rocky> i'm testing this in a VirtualBox VM to see what's coming down the pipeline
[20:05] <Moc22> ok, 11.04 is evil ! I selected to replace my 10.10 installed, and it actually wiped my whole HD including my windows partition !
[20:05] <yofel> Moc22: someone already reported that, let me look for the bug #
[20:05] <rocky> don't suppose anyone knowso f a vboxvideo driver version that works with latest Natty X update? (abi 10)
[20:06] <yofel> bug 738366
[20:06] <Moc22> and to make mather worst, install didn't even complete, go stuck alittle bit after creating user,  and grub wasn't installed at that point
[20:07] <yofel> bullgard4: there was a gnome-shell package in maverick, was removed in natty since it was unusable. Now only the gnome3 team has a PPA for it
[20:08] <Moc22> yofel: thx, added me as affected user
[20:08] <bullgard4> rocky: I do not know. I do not care about 3D myself.
[20:10] <yofel> Moc22: can you set the bug to confirmed too with a short message that you're able to reproduce it?
[20:10] <rocky> bullgard4, well i really just want to see the new unity interface which doesn't work withou 3d apparently
[20:10] <rocky> y
[20:11] <Moc22> yofel: I don't seem to have that access
[20:12] <yofel> Moc22: as long as you have an account you can set things to confirmed
[20:12] <bullgard4> yofel: On April 8th there will be held a GNOME 3 party and visited by well-known persons in the field. Should I wait for this date before installing any GNOME 3 PPA package?
[20:12] <yofel> rocky, bullgard4: bug 738330
[20:12] <bullgard4> yofel: In Berlin in the c-base
[20:13] <yofel> bullgard4: no idea, I don't use the PPA myself, someone else might know
[20:13] <bullgard4> yofel ok
[20:13] <Moc22> yofel: I've click that the bug affect me, but I don't see option to confirm a bug
[20:13] <Moc22> ha never mind
[20:14] <Moc22> found it,
[20:14] <bullgard4> yofel: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=738330: "Bug #738330 does not exist."
[20:14] <Moc22> bug 738366
[20:15] <yofel> bullgard4: *launchpad* bug 738330
[20:16] <Moc22> brb, installed worked this time
[20:31] <Moc22> oh well, seem I can't use 11.04 on my laptop just yet
[20:31] <Moc22> compiz freeze on me at startup
[20:32] <Moc22> it finally started a bit... I get big white border arround everything
[20:33] <Moc22> first thing I need to find is how to put back the file... menu in window
[20:35] <Moc22> and to get alt-tab to it non 3d 'accelerated' state !
[20:37] <Moc22> How do you get the file/edit... option back to the window ? I can't find the options in the system settings
[20:41] <Moc22> also, where is this left dock everyone talk about ?
[20:41] <trism> Moc22: remove indicator-appmenu and restart your session
[20:42] <Moc22>  brb
[20:44] <Moc22> trism: Thanks, lot better
[20:45] <Moc22> one of the reason I think OSX is bad.  Especially on multi screen setup
[20:46] <Moc22> I'm on my far right side screen, but need to move back 2 full screen to access the menu !
[20:47] <Moc22> and back 2 screen to get back at the app
[20:48] <Moc22> how do you install the left dock ? I want to try it out
[20:49] <Moc22> I though it came by default
[20:49] <scizzo-> Moc22: it does.....its called unity
[20:49] <scizzo-> Moc22: you have to choose that in the login screen
[20:49] <Moc22> I choices default desktop I think
[20:50] <scizzo-> Moc22: exactly
[20:50] <Moc22> well, there is no left bar on my default desktop
[20:50] <scizzo-> Moc22: you do realize that Default does not mean unity right?
[20:51] <Moc22> you said exactly to the default desktop option
[20:51] <scizzo-> no
[20:51] <scizzo-> 21:49      Moc22 I choices default desktop I think
[20:51] <scizzo-> in my mind that means that you choose "Default" or Last session
[20:52] <scizzo-> meaning...."Exactly, you are using the standard setup and not unity."
[20:52] <Moc22> k right
[20:53] <Moc22> k now it a different experience
[20:54] <scizzo-> Moc22: on the website it says: "Unity is now the default Ubuntu Desktop session. If you encounter a problem with Unity, and it is not mentioned in the known bugs below, please follow the directions for filing a Unity bug."
[20:54] <Moc22> scizzo-: I'm in unity now
[20:54] <scizzo-> Moc22: :-)
[20:54] <Moc22> first annoying thing to me is clicking the Terminal Icon only launch one instance of it
[20:55] <Moc22> Also, I wish result of search would appear quicker (while typing)
[20:57] <trism> Moc22: I came up with a workaround for the terminal thing, make a new .desktop file with http://paste.ubuntu.com/583057/ and drag it to the dock, it adds a context menu option to create a new terminal
[20:58] <Moc22> maybe adding like a double click action on the dock to do different actions
[20:58] <trism> Moc22: yeah that would be nice
[20:59] <Moc22> Not sure if anyone else get this, but when you get into the unity menu, and click the location to type a search term, you can't type
[21:02] <Moc22> trism: nice, thanks
[21:04] <Moc22> that desktop isn't as bad as I was expecting
[21:13] <MonkeyDust> folx, I skipped Maverick and just installed Natty alpha 3, is it, in this stage, possible to add an extra taskbar? where do I find Preferences and Administration?
[21:13] <Daekdroom> MonkeyDust, are you using Unity? If so, you can't get an extra taskbar within unity.
[21:14] <Moc22> sorry, ui crashed
[21:14] <Daekdroom> and you can find the preferences through the shutdown icon in the upper right, it has a "System settings" option.
[21:14] <MonkeyDust> Daekdroom: what about notification area?
[21:15] <Daekdroom> MonkeyDust, notification area is only available to Wine, Java and Skype, iirc, the rest you have to whitelist the program manually.
[21:15] <Daekdroom> There are a few articles in the internet telling how.
[21:16] <Moc22> how do I change compiz settings with unity ?
[21:16] <Daekdroom> Moc22, install compizconfig-settings-manager package
[21:17] <Moc22> I did, but every change make window manager stop
[21:17] <Daekdroom> That is a reported bug.
[21:18] <Moc22> ha k
[21:18] <Moc22> my annoying Alt-tab problem seem to be related to a default of 200ms before the alt-tab window show
[21:21] <Moc22> sometime the dock doesn't auto hide
[21:21] <MonkeyDust> Daekdroom: what do you mean by whitelist?
[21:22] <Daekdroom> MonkeyDust, only apps that are in a conf list can display in the notification area..
[21:22] <Daekdroom> MonkeyDust, but the list can only be edited through a CLI command
[21:22] <MonkeyDust> awe rite
[21:23] <MonkeyDust> inconvenience: i do not have system settings in the shutdown menu :/
[21:23] <Moc22> on a multi screen setup, every screen should have a top bar with the application/name options
[21:23] <Daekdroom> Is your system up to date?
[21:24] <MonkeyDust> my /home is untouched, erased /
[21:25] <Daekdroom> MonkeyDust, try ALT+F2 and gnome-control-center
[21:26] <Moc22> moving a window away from the dock make the focus go to the dock
[21:32] <Moc22> thunderbird link in email is broken also
[21:35] <Moc22> ok unity isn't great for multi-screen setup
[21:36] <skyjumper> anyone ever seen mouse cursor lag on a thinkpad?
[21:36] <skyjumper> as in, freezing for seconds at a time under load
[21:38] <Moc22> skyjumper: had that a long time ago with my dell
[21:38] <Moc22> with the autogroup kernel patch, it should be even rarer
[21:41] <skyjumper> Moc22: is it still happening to you on natty?
[21:43] <Moc22> it didn't' occur on 10.10
[21:44] <Moc22> doesn't seem to occur on 11.04 so far, but I havent put any heavy load
[21:44] <Moc22> I keep finding new bug
[21:44] <skyjumper> happens like crazy on this t400 with 10.10
[21:44] <Moc22> Found a super easy way to make unity crash doing 3 click
[21:45] <skyjumper> OT, but anyone know if any of the newer thinkpads have a decent screen?
[21:45] <Moc22> 3 click (Unity->Find Media App->Click checkbox icon left of Installed
[21:48] <Moc22> good april release seem to be a hard target based on what I see now
[21:53] <david234> Hey, I installed Ubuntu 11.04 on my machine, and I want to try out the GUI but am away from the house. Which VNC service should I install?
[21:53] <Moc22> david234: there is a default remote desktop feature in ubuntu
[21:53] <david234> ok can it be activated from the terminal ?
[21:54] <Moc22> System Settings->Remote Desktop
[21:54] <david234> ok
[21:54] <Moc22> Yes, just don't know how
[21:54] <david234> I can do that using X Forwarding :D
[21:54] <Moc22> it a gconf setting
[21:54] <Moc22> Is it normal the dock show as fade when getting close to the top left 0x0 pixel of the screen ?
[21:55] <david234> I guess calling "unity" in ssh -X isn't a good idea :(
[21:57] <Moc22> hehe maybe not, but gconf-editor might work
[21:58] <Moc22> Daekdroom: vino-preferences
[21:58] <Moc22> oh it was for david234 but he gone
[22:27] <MonkeyDust> folx, how do I whitelist aMSN to appear in the notification area, it starts iconized
[22:32] <Omega> MonkeyDust: Enter the following in a terminal: gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Panel systray-whitelist "['JavaEmbeddedFrame', 'Wine', 'Skype', 'aMSN']"
[22:33] <MonkeyDust> never mind, found it in the menu on the top left
[22:37] <Moc22> unity dev will have a very hard next few week
[22:59] <Moc22> well, 11 bug report, that all for today
[23:39] <Moc> time to go back on 10.10 now