[00:15] <rick_h> evening
[01:35] <gamerchick02> howdy rick_h
[01:35] <rick_h> what's up party folks?
[01:41] <greg-g> how are the fireworks over there?
[01:43] <rick_h> some going off in the distance
[01:43] <rick_h> I think because of the Tues 4th most of the big shows were over the weekend
[01:43] <rick_h> #fireworks https://www.flickr.com/photos/7508761@N03/albums/72157682727171142
[01:54] <greg-g> we shot off our (lame, CA-approved) ones last night, since the neighbor boys are at their dad's today
[01:54] <greg-g> going to the city show tonight down at the fair grounds
[02:21] <jrwren> cmaloney: you a kraftwerk fan?  3-d the catalog is a must have if you are. its amazing. they redid all their own stuff and its better than ever.
[02:45] <gamerchick02> some of my neighbors in houses are shooting them off. i'm waiting for it to die down before i try to sleep
[02:45] <gamerchick02> sounds like most of it's stopped... gonna try to sleep in a few
[03:29] <cmaloney> jrwren: wha?
[10:47] <brousch> Apparently Mike Pence flew into Grand Rapids to march in the Grandville parade, then flew back to Washington. Good use of taxpayer dollars there
[12:56] <jrwren> cmaloney: Do you like Kraftwerk?
[13:09] <cmaloney> Yeeess
[13:13] <jrwren> cmaloney: "3-D The Catalog" is a must have release, IMO.  :)
[13:13] <cmaloney> Ok, what is it?
[13:14] <jrwren> cmaloney: Kraftwerk, 2017 live, but it doesn't sound live at all. it sounds like a studio album.  8CD box set
[13:14] <jrwren> its all their old material redone, like they are covering htemselves in a more modern style. and it is awesome.
[13:14] <jrwren> Its kind of a big, "no no no, let us show you how it is done" to evreyone who has ever covered kraftwerk.
[13:17] <cmaloney> Ah, awesome
[23:33] <cmaloney> jrwren: I have like 4 calculators on my phone, not including the Scheme interpreter. :)
[23:34] <cmaloney> (Built-in, Free42, Go49 (hp49 / 50 emulator), and Maxima)
[23:34] <gamerchick02> how many calculators does one need? i have two, one that came with my phone and a graphing calculator as a just in case thing. who knows when you'll need to graph a function?
[23:35] <cmaloney> gamerchick02: I usually use Free42 because I like the interface
[23:35] <gamerchick02> nice!
[23:35] <cmaloney> but Go49 is nice
[23:35] <cmaloney> and Maxima is a Computer Algebra System
[23:35] <gamerchick02> that's cool
[23:35] <cmaloney> http://maxima.sourceforge.net/
[23:36] <gamerchick02> speaking of phones: who here has a One Plus One?
[23:36] <cmaloney> not I
[23:36] <cmaloney> bbiab.
[23:36] <gamerchick02> i'm thinking of getting one of those at the end of this year or middle of next
[23:36] <gamerchick02> ok!
[23:56] <Zimdale> Do you have need for a calculator that frequently?


[00:12] <wrst> yeah binarymutant i don't mess with grub either but can't get it to work the first time :)
[00:17] <binarymutant> it didn't just automagicly work?
[00:18] <binarymutant> oh you have like multiple boot stuff right
[00:19] <binarymutant> I think the new menu.lst is /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[00:19] <binarymutant> ^ from ubuntu wiki
[00:19] <wrst> no binarymutant i am in a vm
[00:20] <wrst> yeah but that isn't exactlya  replacement as you aren't supposed to edit grub.cfg
[00:20] <wrst> wb binarymutant :)
[00:20] <wrst> and binarymutant i'm in a vm
[00:20] <binarymutant> thanks, idk what happened :/
[00:21] <binarymutant> should it matter if your in a vm?
[00:21] <wrst> and grub.cfg isn't exactly a drop in replacement for menu.lst you actually have all these differnent files that are executed when you update grub2 and it updates grub.cfg you aren't supposed to edit it directly
[00:21] <binarymutant> how are you supposed to edit it then...
[00:21] <binarymutant> ah update-grub I see it
[00:21] <chris4585> binarymutant, lol http://i.imgur.com/StcN9.png
[00:22] <wrst> you edit all the other exectuable files
[00:22] <binarymutant> /etc/grub.d/10_customboot
[00:22] <wrst> the arch wiki really details it well
[00:22] <wrst> yep andi think there is a 20_linux or something like that
[00:22] <wrst> you can have several of those
[00:23] <wrst> does update-grub work in arch i thought that was ubuntu specific at one time?
[00:23] <binarymutant> the number corresponds to what's read first
[00:23] <binarymutant> wrst: idk :/
[00:23] <wrst> yep i think that is right but anyway that will be a project i mess with sometime tongith when the little one goes to sleep
[00:26] <binarymutant> shouldn't be too hard
[00:27] <binarymutant> edit /boot/grub/custom.cfg or /etc/grub.d/whatever and run grub-mkconfig, seems easy
[00:27] <chris4585> tabs, tabs everywhere!
[00:28] <binarymutant> http://tools.suckless.org/tabbed
[00:30] <binarymutant> ^ for more tabs
[00:31] <binarymutant> tiles, tiles everywhere! :P
[00:32] <chris4585> lol
[00:39] <binarymutant> <-- bored --
[00:59] <chris4585> I am too, thus why I'm looking at fans... I hate comparing and having 12 tabs to compare against...
[01:00] <chris4585> I'm seeing some good deals on tigerdirect
[01:02] <chris4585> I can get a little obsessive sometimes when it comes to finding the best of something
[01:36] <binarymutant> how do you switch tabs when you have more than 10 open?
[01:36] <binarymutant> forget the fan dude get an hvac :P
[01:38] <chris4585> scroll
[01:38] <chris4585> I also have an obsession with scrolling
[01:38] <chris4585> move mouse up top and scroll to switch tabs
[01:39] <chris4585> hvac?
[01:39]  * chris4585 looks it up
[01:39] <chris4585> ah, yeah I'd like an air conditioner.. that would probably solve the issue
[01:40] <chris4585> but this is kind of a good deal too http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6721497&CatId=494
[01:40] <chris4585> 103cfm, $9, 140mm too
[01:48] <binarymutant> hvac is how google + amazon etc do it
[01:49] <binarymutant> if your going with a fan I'd say get one with leds on it :D
[01:49] <chris4585> lol
[01:50] <chris4585> I have one, I'm not too big on leds but I'm sure I could find one just as good, I found one for my brother (green leds) with 69cfm
[01:50] <chris4585> he doesn't care so much for performance as long as it is good
[01:50] <chris4585> for $7 too, like I said I can get obsessive over something if I research it :<
[01:50] <chris4585> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7100319&csid=_61
[01:51] <binarymutant> thats a nice one
[01:51] <binarymutant> pretty
[01:51] <chris4585> yeah
[01:51] <chris4585> he has a purple one already, so green and purple are a good color combo
[01:52] <chris4585> at first I didn't like the leds on my case's top fan but they grew on me, it really helps when I want to look inside
[01:55] <binarymutant> http://www.rackmountsolutions.net/Air_Conditioned_Server_Rack.asp
[01:55] <binarymutant> only 7000x more
[01:55] <binarymutant> err only 1000x more
[01:56] <chris4585> lol, that's cool only if money wasn't an object...
[01:56] <binarymutant> lotto :P
[01:56] <binarymutant> led fans are cool and you don't need a light in the room with them
[01:57] <binarymutant> aren't there some other type of lighted fans too?
[01:59] <binarymutant> cold cathode **
[01:59] <chris4585> not sure what you mean, I know of the led, acrylic kind, there are also light strips too
[01:59] <chris4585> hold on a sec
[01:59] <binarymutant> I have 2 cold cathode 120mm fans but no desktop lol
[01:59] <chris4585> http://www.outletpc.com/su3369.html
[02:00] <chris4585> that ^ which I find less of a hassle than a tube
[02:00] <chris4585> o.o
[02:00] <chris4585> also I love nzxt branded items
[02:00] <binarymutant> http://www.crazypc.com/products/casemods/lighting.htm#ccflfan
[02:01] <chris4585> oh wow, that does look pretty cool
[02:02] <binarymutant> yeah and they're bright
[02:04] <binarymutant> probably not very performance orientated though, but cool nonetheless
[02:04] <chris4585> yeah
[02:04] <chris4585> I'd rather just use the nzxt led kit
[02:05] <binarymutant> I wish I could mod my laptop with some lights
[02:06] <binarymutant> I wonder if I can...
[02:06] <chris4585> could possibly replace a fan with them somehow I image
[02:07] <chris4585> I've never looked on the inside of a laptop and I really don't want to open mine, but I think I need to replace my fan.. and I hear a spring sometimes in mine
[02:08] <binarymutant> you've never opened a laptop?
[02:09] <binarymutant> when I was working at an oem laptops where big sellers
[02:11] <chris4585> I mean I imagine I could fix it but its that first time doing it is what scares me...
[02:11] <binarymutant> http://rickycadden.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/eeepc_backlight_keyboard_425.jpg thats cool
[02:12] <binarymutant> laptops aren't that bad, the only thing breakable is the flimsy keyboard connector
[02:12] <binarymutant> well I guess it's all breakable but still
[02:20] <binarymutant> there's no aftermarket mods for my laptop
[02:20] <binarymutant> :(
[02:24] <chris4585> that glowing keyboard is pretty cool
[02:24] <chris4585> I'd rather just add performance to mine :/
[02:24] <chris4585> mine can get super hot if not being careful
[02:25] <binarymutant> yeah mine gets hot but it's no big deal
[02:25] <binarymutant> I barely turn mine off and have run some intensive stuff on it, no fires :D
[02:29] <chris4585> I don't use mine so often, it is a back up more or less
[02:30] <chris4585> but it gets the job done
[02:35] <binarymutant> now you got me looking at aftermarket stuff
[02:38] <chris4585> lol
[07:39]  * chris4585 sigh, how hard is it to find an micro ATX case with room for just an HD, power supply and the mobo with plenty of fans
[07:39] <chris4585> apparently impossible
[07:39] <chris4585> I hate cd drives or 5.25 inch bays...
[07:42] <chris4585> hrm I think I may have found one lol
[12:44] <cyberanger> http://xkcd.com/1091/
[13:01] <wrst> mornign cyberanger
[13:02] <xTEMPLARx> morning, peoples
[13:03] <wrst> hello xTEMPLARx
[13:03] <xTEMPLARx> how's mr. stout today?
[13:07] <wrst> good i think, its still early :)
[13:07] <wrst> how be thee and thine?
[13:23] <xTEMPLARx> we're pretty good, overall :D
[13:23] <xTEMPLARx> can't comlain
[13:23] <xTEMPLARx> or complain either
[13:37] <xTEMPLARx> interesting
[13:37] <xTEMPLARx> just had to do a partial upgrade
[13:37] <xTEMPLARx> and now I think I have lost gnome-shell
[13:44] <wrst> hmm xTEMPLARx thats not nice
[13:45] <xTEMPLARx> i know, right?
[13:45] <xTEMPLARx> I mean, my system's still usable, just not what I asked for
[13:45] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[13:45] <xTEMPLARx> brb
[13:52] <xTEMPLARx> strange
[13:52] <xTEMPLARx> it acts like a mixture of gnome shell and old gnome
[13:53] <xTEMPLARx> did they do a one-size-fits-all update that I wasn't aware was coming?
[13:55] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: sounds like you are in fallback mode?
[14:00] <xTEMPLARx> I dunno
[14:00] <xTEMPLARx> it has the dash up on the left
[14:01] <xTEMPLARx> yet I still have the top and bottom bars now
[14:01] <xTEMPLARx> which, honestly, I think I'd rather have
[14:01] <xTEMPLARx> so I'm not trying too hard to fix it
[14:01] <xTEMPLARx> compiz is running
[14:01] <xTEMPLARx> so its still pretty
[14:02] <wrst> gnome-shell doesn't use compiz unless you have modified some things
[14:03] <wrst> ohh dash you are on unity... i'm sorry
[14:03] <xTEMPLARx> well I meant that type of window manager
[14:03] <xTEMPLARx> it may not be compiz
[14:03] <xTEMPLARx> lemme check
[14:03] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: you are confusing me gnome-shell doesn't have a dash or compiz :)
[14:03] <xTEMPLARx> yup its compiz
[14:03] <wrst> so you are on unity?
[14:04] <xTEMPLARx> wrst:  I think the stock gnome must use the dash then
[14:04] <xTEMPLARx> its not unity
[14:04] <wrst> no gnome does not use dash
[14:04] <xTEMPLARx> then we're both confused
[14:04] <xTEMPLARx> i've done my best to stay away from Unity because it was gimpy and lame
[14:04] <xTEMPLARx> when logging in, I selected Gnome Classic
[14:05] <xTEMPLARx> reckon I didn't try hard enough
[14:05] <xTEMPLARx> lol
[14:05] <xTEMPLARx> brb again, more tinkering
[14:14] <xTEMPLARx> looks like gnome-shell was uninstalled, and when I try to reinstall, i have a lot of "fix broken packages" messages now
[14:14] <xTEMPLARx> hooray for partial upgrades
[14:19] <xTEMPLARx> of course, it could be PPA troubles and not partial upgrade's fault
[14:37] <wrst> why a ppa xTEMPLARx?
[14:40] <xTEMPLARx> because this machine has had 2 or three major upgrades done to it since it was commissioned, and the repository is full of a jumble of versions of ppas
[14:41] <xTEMPLARx> they've been disabled/enabled, modified and hacked on
[14:41] <xTEMPLARx> so this time, I think some stuff got changed during an upgrade installation that was the straw on the camel's back, and it took gnome-shell with it (which was installed via a PPA)
[14:42] <xTEMPLARx> the last straw that is
[14:44] <wrst> I'm thinking a reinstall would help :)
[14:45] <xTEMPLARx> argh
[14:45] <xTEMPLARx> lol
[14:45] <xTEMPLARx> not today
[14:45] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[14:45] <xTEMPLARx> maybe later, though
[14:45] <xTEMPLARx> i've been wanting to switch to 64-bit for a while, and almost did that instead of upgrading to 12 from 11
[14:45] <xTEMPLARx> but I didn't have time
[14:46] <xTEMPLARx> I always miss stuff when I have to wipe and reinstall
[14:46] <xTEMPLARx> mailbox gets messed up
[14:46] <xTEMPLARx> address book
[14:46] <xTEMPLARx> etc
[14:46] <xTEMPLARx> no matter how much time I spend trying to make sure I get everything
[14:46] <xTEMPLARx> I end up missing something
[14:48] <wrst> yeah I don't care for upgrades main reason I use arch on my main machine
[14:52] <binarymutant> with /home on a seperate partition upgrades aren't that bad
[14:52] <xTEMPLARx> True this
[14:53] <binarymutant> the only problem with that is Debian and derivatives run daemons system wide while Arch doesn't
[14:53] <xTEMPLARx> i may have gotten around my package problem here
[14:54] <xTEMPLARx> brb
[14:58] <xTEMPLARx> welp, gnome-shell is back, and some compositing effects are in place, but awn is confused
[14:58] <xTEMPLARx> hrm
[14:58] <wrst> binarymutant: I got a little farther with my issues. grub doesn't like my vm
[14:59] <xTEMPLARx> nope I was wrong, compositing is NOT present... hrmmm
[14:59] <binarymutant> wrst: I must not understand how that works
[14:59] <wrst> driver issues?
[14:59] <wrst> binarymutant: it should just work :)
[14:59] <binarymutant> wrst: I thought vm's still used the /dev/sd* naming scheme
[14:59] <wrst> but it doesn't for me
[15:00] <binarymutant> oh wait, nvm that doesn't matter
[15:00] <binarymutant> bc in grub your doing (0,0) or whatnot
[15:00] <wrst> they do but getting grub errors now when installing I tried without scripts and got better feedback
[15:01] <wrst> long story short I'm going to try again using a gparted disk to set up partitions
[15:02] <binarymutant> what's the vm your using?
[15:02] <binarymutant> kvm?
[15:02] <wrst> virtual box
[15:03] <xTEMPLARx> virtualbox was cool with syslinux, although that doesn't solve your problem
[15:03] <binarymutant> oracle owns vbox?
[15:03] <binarymutant> <- didn't know that
[15:03] <xTEMPLARx> yupper
[15:03] <xTEMPLARx> bought it up a while back
[15:03] <wrst> I think I can handle a bare metal install and that was really all I'm worried about
[15:03] <binarymutant> https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/9926
[15:04] <binarymutant> wrst ^
[15:04] <wrst> binarymutant: I think vbox is one of the few things getting better with them
[15:04] <xTEMPLARx> agreed wrst
[15:05] <xTEMPLARx> it, at least, hasn't shown any signs of going downhill yet
[15:05] <wrst> thanks binarymutant good link for me!
[15:09] <binarymutant> urgh this stuff is overly complicated
[15:11] <wrst> that's why we like it!
[15:11] <binarymutant> too complicated for me
[15:13] <wrst> nah
[15:13] <binarymutant> Simplicity is the first thing in the Arch way :P
[15:16] <xTEMPLARx> had to reboot
[15:16] <xTEMPLARx> and
[15:17] <xTEMPLARx> compositing works now
[15:17] <xTEMPLARx> no rhyme or reason
[15:17] <xTEMPLARx> but I'll take it
[15:18] <binarymutant> reboot for composite o_0 ?
[15:18] <wrst> there is always. a reason
[15:19] <binarymutant> wrst: I say go back to grub1
[15:20] <wrst> yeah on a vm not worth it
[15:20] <wrst> just checking myself anyway
[15:21] <binarymutant> all this recent bootloader talk is making look at installing lilo
[15:22] <wrst> uefi and secure boot will really mess things up
[15:24] <binarymutant> yeah
[15:25] <binarymutant> sucks for people that keep up with the hardware stream
[15:27] <binarymutant> lol "only Caldera OpenLinux was supplying GNU's GRUB"
[15:27] <wrst> have you used win 8?
[15:27] <binarymutant> not me
[15:28] <wrst> its terrible
[15:28] <wrst> makes unity and gnome shell look like very traditional desktop options
[15:29] <binarymutant> yeah I'll never use it :P
[15:30] <binarymutant> <- stopped using windows during win98
[15:31] <binarymutant> windows doesn't really offer anything I want
[15:41] <binarymutant> ima find me a new/fun bootloader today http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_boot_loaders
[15:52] <alyawn> ugh.. does anyone else get bad tearing when using TwinView?
[15:54] <alyawn> maybe it has something to do with disparate refresh rates?
[16:01] <binarymutant> tearing?
[16:01] <binarymutant> screenshot it :D
[16:05] <wrst> alyawn: have to say it works perfect for me
[16:05] <binarymutant> yeah it worked for me too :/
[16:05] <binarymutant> what's a .S file?
[16:06] <binarymutant> source nevermind
[16:10] <alyawn> tearing... like when playing a video you see data from 2 frames at the same time and could roll
[16:10] <alyawn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_tearing
[16:10] <alyawn> .S assembly
[16:11] <binarymutant> ah
[16:11] <alyawn> it has to do with V-sync
[16:11] <alyawn> I don't ever remember seeing the issue with 11.10
[16:11] <alyawn> oh well
[16:11] <alyawn> too many windows open to restartx and fix
[16:12] <binarymutant> when I was using twinview I might have had tearing but just never noticed
[16:13] <alyawn> probably an issue with nvidia's proprietary drive... what else is new
[16:13] <alyawn> anyone know the command to print (to an actual printer) from vim?
[16:13] <xTEMPLARx> you guys sure love to bash their proprietary drivers, but they've been solid as a rock for me for a long while now
[16:14] <alyawn> other than the tearing they are good
[16:14] <xTEMPLARx> no tearing here :P
[16:14] <wrst> me too xTEMPLARx
[16:14] <alyawn> using TwinView?
[16:14] <xTEMPLARx> admittedly not yet
[16:14] <xTEMPLARx> i should steal someone's monitor and give it a shot
[16:14] <alyawn> it works perfectly with only one monitor for me
[16:15]  * wrst hides his monitor
[16:15] <Svpernova09> fwiw: Vsync should eliminate screen tearing. If it doesn't, it's likely a driver issue. Possibly even a display manager bug.
[16:15] <xTEMPLARx> both of yours the same size, alyawn?
[16:15] <alyawn> no... different resolutions and refresh rates
[16:15] <xTEMPLARx> tearing could also be a hardware issue if the card's dirty and overheating :D
[16:15] <alyawn> I'm a rebel
[16:15] <xTEMPLARx> but that's likely not the issue
[16:15] <binarymutant> :hardcopy
[16:15] <xTEMPLARx> unless you operate in a dusty environment
[16:16] <Svpernova09> didn't think about dust/heat causing tearing. That's always caused artifacting in my exp.
[16:17] <alyawn> binarymutant, thank you! soo many commands!
[16:19] <alyawn> I think if I reset the refresh rate to be the same, it will probably fix, or at least hel
[16:19] <alyawn> help*
[16:20] <alyawn> wow... yay for ubuntu...
[16:21] <alyawn> printing, using :hardcopy worked with 0 configuration, the first time
[16:21] <alyawn> I don't think that's ever happened to me before
[16:22] <binarymutant> I've never used it before but that's good news
[16:22] <alyawn> yeah... cups and ubuntu have come a long way
[16:22] <wrst> thank you apple :)
[16:22] <binarymutant> <- no printer -
[16:23] <alyawn> does anyone know of a good print/scan combo that is verified Ubuntu compatible? my old DeskJet is showing its age
[16:24] <binarymutant> i think epson prolly is, but not sure
[16:25] <wrst> alyawn: i think about anything HP will most likely work they seem to me to be the best supported but i'm by far not an export i would locate printer google it etc etc to be fore sure
[16:25] <wrst> *for
[16:25] <alyawn> thanks wrst
[16:26] <alyawn> binarymutant, I remember back in the day using lpd that epson was great... may revisit
[16:27] <binarymutant> alyawn: have you considered going paperless? :D
[16:28] <Svpernova09> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HpAllInOne
[16:29] <Svpernova09> +1 for going paperless. I'm about 90% paperless.
[16:30] <binarymutant> saves the monies
[16:32] <xTEMPLARx> well i have twinview going
[16:32] <xTEMPLARx> only diff is the second monitor is way dark
[16:33] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: maybe you stole a bad monitor? the five fingered discount will always find you out :P
[16:33] <binarymutant> :D
[16:35] <binarymutant> maybe I should move to grub2 for the pretty gfx https://github.com/Generator/Grub2-themes/blob/66b03fc5aa751125995ddddf7700890d1d866568/Preview/Archinox_preview.png
[16:36] <xTEMPLARx> pretty :D
[16:38] <wrst> alyawn: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16828115668
[16:38] <wrst> i'm looking at one of those but i don't need color printing
[16:46] <alyawn> Svpernova09, yeah, would love to go paperless, but lawyers still love paper
[16:46] <alyawn> xTEMPLARx, try watching full screen video
[16:46] <alyawn> wrst, ooh.. laser
[16:47] <alyawn> and, the toner isn't much more than the freakin' ink carts
[16:47] <Svpernova09> someone has to keep the paper industry in business :_D
[16:48] <wrst> yeah alyawn i may have to get that one for the hosue, and it works with my wife's blessed mac which for whatever reason has poorer print support than linux and they created the stinking cups system
[16:48] <alyawn> I love that it's wired
[16:48] <alyawn> the last thing I need is one more wireless device in my life
[16:49] <xTEMPLARx> aww boo I've already put the monitor back where I found it :\
[16:49] <alyawn> heh ;)
[16:58] <binarymutant> urgh idk if I should update to grub2; risk vs reward, idk
[17:02] <wrst> binarymutant: DON'T DO IT!
[17:02] <wrst> especially just for the pretty :)
[17:04] <binarymutant> giving it thought
[17:11] <alyawn> added bonus: difficult to find menu settings
[17:14] <alyawn> speaking of nvidia drivers, they released a new update that fixes the security hole in their drivers in the repos
[17:22] <binarymutant> omg rebooting, hope I did grub2 right cuz that would suck （　ﾟ Дﾟ）
[17:23] <binarymutant> easy peazy
[17:24] <binarymutant> the grub2 theme looks good too :D
[17:25] <wrst> binarymutant: do you have multiple os's?
[17:25] <binarymutant> wrst: nope just the one
[17:25] <wrst> and you have me considering a theme now
[17:25] <wrst> i wish you hadn't don't that  binarymutant!
[17:25] <binarymutant> :P
[17:26] <wrst> yeah now i'm going to reconsider that :)
[17:26] <binarymutant> the overly detailed grub2 wiki page had me worried, but it was easy
[17:27] <binarymutant> brb need a cigerette after that stress lol
[17:27] <wrst> ha ha
[17:37] <binarymutant> yay so updated now
[17:38] <wrst> ha ha binarymutant :)
[18:17] <vychune> hey guys hoiw yall doing
[18:17] <binarymutant> good here
[18:18] <vychune> im hot and heated but ill be ok lol
[18:18] <vychune> guy from quickbooks pissed me off
[18:19] <vychune> he's trtying to tell how to setup the linux server stuff they have and he doesnt even know linux
[18:20] <vychune> then tells me a linux guy is avail. tomorrow at 12
[18:22] <binarymutant> what are you doing with quickbooks and linux?
[18:22] <vychune> guy wants it on his server
[18:22] <vychune> *rolls eyes*
[18:23] <binarymutant> can you do it?
[18:25] <vychune> its on there but it's not working the way it should so i would say right now no
[18:25] <vychune> i would like to end this job here tbh
[18:26] <binarymutant> so it's just not configured right or something? I've never used quickboos
[18:27] <vychune> right
[18:27] <vychune> and the support didnt know how to
[18:28] <binarymutant> vychune: what's wrong with it?
[18:29] <vychune> it work do a mode that he needs
[18:29] <vychune> s/work/won't
[18:29] <binarymutant> hmm what mode I'll look it up
[18:29] <vychune> and QB isnt supported on ubuntu
[18:30] <vychune> opensuse and RHEL yes
[18:30] <vychune> ubuntu no
[18:30] <binarymutant> well nothing is really supported by ubuntu
[18:30] <binarymutant> I don't see how redhat supports it
[18:30] <vychune> well yeah
[18:31] <Unit193> OpenSuse? Ehhh...
[18:31] <vychune> cant stand opensuse
[18:31] <Unit193> Gentoo. :D
[18:32] <vychune> havent had a chance for that yet
[18:32] <Unit193> Nor would I want to. :P
[18:34] <binarymutant> vychune: what mode of qb doesn't work?
[18:35] <binarymutant> sounds to me more like a client problem rather than a server problem
[18:36] <vychune> nultiuser
[18:36] <vychune> ikr
[18:39] <binarymutant> did you setup samba?
[18:40] <Unit193> Samba isn't bad, and pretty easy to setup.
[18:46] <binarymutant> vychune: http://support.quickbooks.intuit.com/support/Articles/SLN40812 also sounds like this
[18:48] <binarymutant> for some reason I thought quickbooks was MS only ... didn't know linux could do it
[18:49] <binarymutant> must be a small to mid size business though bc no enterprise would get caught up in that vendor lockin
[18:52] <vychune> yeah
[18:52] <vychune> fred remmers in copper young
[18:52] <vychune> binarymutant: read that no help
[18:52] <vychune> but thank you
[18:56] <vychune> i'm so done with this
[18:56] <vychune> after this im passing him on lol
[18:56] <vychune> gonna go bbl
[18:56] <vychune> thanks binarymutant
[18:56] <vychune> o/
[18:56] <binarymutant> laters
[18:58] <binarymutant> mid-sized business'd
[19:00] <binarymutant> anyone know a good unicode symbol for a cpu?
[19:00] <binarymutant> http://i.imgur.com/ZmuLr.jpg like this one beside the "6%"
[19:09] <binarymutant> I guess ⚙ will due
[20:08]  * netritious waits for new samsung captivate glide and wife's new iphone to charge
[20:12] <netritious> first apple product in my house since 1988
[20:15] <alyawn> nice!
[20:16] <netritious> thx alyawn :)
[20:16] <netritious> not a big fan of apple, but for my wife I'm hoping it'll be low maint.
[20:18] <alyawn> good luck :)
[20:19] <netritious> i'll need it lol.
[20:24] <wrst> netritious: my wife has an ipad and a macbook i must say i never have to touch them
[20:27] <binarymutant> why isn't there a font that does all the unicode characters??
[20:29] <netritious> batang has a nice set
[20:30] <binarymutant> is that a windows font?
[20:30] <netritious> it's a truetype font, yes
[20:30] <binarymutant> are you using it right now?
[20:31] <binarymutant> go here to test http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/utf8.html
[20:31] <netritious> nope, not a truetype font :? thought it was but it's not
[20:32] <netritious> i use the character map built into windows to explore installed fonts.
[20:32] <netritious> ὕαλον ϕαγεῖν δύναμαι· τοῦτο οὔ με βλάπτει.
[20:33] <binarymutant> I'm on fixed right now, I can see everything but english looks horrid
[20:33] <netritious> eek
[20:34] <binarymutant> I wonder if there's a way to use a good font and then fall back on fixed when needed...
[20:35] <netritious> something else I need to learn about...the way fonts are managed in linux.
[20:37] <netritious> built libcap, libnet, daq, and snort <IP_ADDRESS>, only to find out that I can't get free VRT rules unless I build snort <IP_ADDRESS> lol
[20:41] <netritious> built ruby to install rails and passenger to run snorby on apache2.
[20:45] <binarymutant> dang, trying to catch some ppl?
[20:47] <netritious> nah. for me it's either run some other distro with the stuff built in or learn how to do it myself.
[20:48] <netritious> revisting packaging on debian now.
[20:48] <binarymutant> to the debhelper
[20:48] <netritious> yessir
[20:49] <binarymutant> debian/control and debian/rules is all you really need
[20:49] <binarymutant> netritious: are you trying to actually get packages included into debian & derivatives?
[20:50] <netritious> it was a lot of work building all this stuff and making it work, i needs a package! lol
[20:50] <netritious> at some point in time. i'm not near enough experienced for that atm.
[20:50] <netritious> right now I just need some deb's that i can install with dpkg
[20:51] <binarymutant> installing all that stuff like a metapackage would be easy but configuring it would require some heavy debian/rules and post hooks
[20:51] <netritious> exactly
[20:51] <binarymutant> brb
[20:52] <netritious> I figure for now I can package individually and document installation.
[20:52] <binarymutant> omg I hate fonts right now
[20:52] <netritious> I figure for now I can package individually and document installation.
[20:53] <binarymutant> I say just make a metapackage that requires all those packages as dependencies
[20:55] <netritious> I think it's five sources altogether, plus some other dependencies (gems, apt pkgs, etc), then a bunch of config
[20:55] <netritious> make that six...had to build barnyard2 to
[20:56] <binarymutant> as long as they are in debian's repos the metapackage would be easy to do
[20:57] <binarymutant> whatever's not in the repos you need to package and throw onto a ppa
[20:57] <netritious> they aren't and every thing is version specific
[20:57] <binarymutant> you can be version specific with packaging
[20:57] <netritious> well, except apache2 and mysql..didn't have to build those
[20:57] <binarymutant> rails is in there
[20:57] <binarymutant> snort is too I think
[20:58] <netritious> it's all about the snort version. diff rules are completely free, most rules require registration (but still free), and yet others are subscription.
[20:59] <netritious> but you have to run a specific version to get the free registered user version of VRT rules.
[21:01] <netritious> so when I built and installed snort <IP_ADDRESS>, it wouldn't work, b/c the matching version of VRT rules is missing. IDK why, ask snort.org :P
[21:01] <binarymutant> Build-Depends: snort (>=specificVersionForVRT)
[21:01] <netritious> well I know why, because those rules are for paying subscribers
[21:01] <binarymutant> actually it would be in Depends, not Build-Depends, my bad
[21:02] <netritious> newer rules = newer version, newer version+no subscription = can't get new rules
[21:03] <binarymutant> the subscription is just something users sign up for on their own right?
[21:03] <netritious> well there are VRT open, free, and subscription rules.
[21:03] <netritious> open rules are called 'docs' b/c they are just an example. old stuff.
[21:04] <netritious> then there is free, and all that's required is sign up and you get an oinkcode
[21:04] <netritious> but, rules are 30 days old here.
[21:04] <netritious> which is fine for me. :)
[21:05] <binarymutant> idk anything about snort just debian pkging
[21:05] <binarymutant> my guess is packagers just let the user decide when and if they want to sign up for the restricted/nonfree rules
[21:06] <binarymutant> brb
[21:06] <netritious> k
[21:09] <netritious> binarymutant: if you want to know here's the skinny on snort, VRT rules, and why the version is important: http://www.snort.org/vrt/rules/eol_policy
[21:15] <binarymutant> I get it
[21:16] <binarymutant> those rules aren't dfsg compliant though
[21:16] <netritious> the open ones are
[21:17] <binarymutant> do the open ones require signup?
[21:17] <netritious> no, and there are other rulesets that are newer, better, and don't require signup
[21:17] <binarymutant> then those are fine
[21:17] <binarymutant> depending on the license
[21:18] <netritious> right, which is why I really just wanted some debs to install in order to save em the hassle of building from source again on any system where I might want to deploy snort :)
[21:18] <xTEMPLARx> time to jet
[21:18] <netritious> argh
[21:18] <netritious> later xTEMPLARx
[21:18] <xTEMPLARx> you kids don't stay up all night playing on the onlines
[21:18] <xTEMPLARx> l8r net :D
[21:19] <netritious> binarymutant: kinda why I really just wanted some debs to install in order to save em the hassle of building from source again on any system where I might want to deploy snort :)
[21:19] <netritious> *me
[21:19] <binarymutant> yeah
[21:19] <binarymutant> packaging is easy stuff and fun
[21:26] <netritious> binarymutant: I worked with packaging a couple of years ago when lucid came out and LxC in the repos had issues.
[21:26] <binarymutant> dh7?
[21:27] <netritious> ?
[21:27] <binarymutant> debhelper 7?
[21:27] <netritious> debhelper 7?
[21:27] <netritious> maybe, i don't recall the exact version
[21:28] <netritious> i do recall being utterly confused by the whole process lol
[21:28] <binarymutant> you'd know, dh7 introduced this simplified debian/rules
[21:29] <binarymutant> "dh $@" was all you had to have in it, it's crazy
[21:29] <netritious> lol
[21:30] <netritious> I recall the process being tedious and having to restart sooooo many times
[21:30] <binarymutant> restart?
[21:30] <netritious> I did get a .deb built though and it did install
[21:30] <binarymutant> oh I get you
[21:30] <netritious> *restart the process
[21:30] <binarymutant> it's oversimplified now
[21:31] <netritious> that gives me a little encouragement
[21:31] <binarymutant> before dh7 the debian/rules were normal Makefiles and now it's just a one liner
[21:41] <binarymutant> urgh
[21:48] <binarymutant> finally got my statusbar working http://i.imgur.com/idmeK.png now I just need to find a better font
[21:50] <binarymutant> and find some good symbols to use instead of CPU: etc
[21:51] <netritious> cool
[22:34] <binarymutant> I can either do symbols or japanese with my fonts but never *both*
[22:40] <chris4585> binarymutant, what app is that with the stats?
[22:42] <binarymutant> conky
[22:43] <binarymutant> conky won't let me change the font if I'm using out_to_console
[22:59] <binarymutant> whatever >:(
[23:02] <binarymutant> I'll take what I can get when it comes to dwm
[23:03] <binarymutant> if it was awesome though I could anything
[23:03] <binarymutant> awesomewm*
[23:03] <chris4585> really? looks weird like that, I've seen setups like that before but different
[23:03] <binarymutant> what do you mean?
[23:03] <chris4585> conky can display things like that on console?
[23:04] <binarymutant> yeah I was surprised too
[23:04] <binarymutant> new bar: http://i.imgur.com/x86FE.png
[23:04] <chris4585> o_O
[23:04] <binarymutant> got rid of all the extra stuff, just mpd vol and date
[23:05] <chris4585> skrillex
[23:05] <chris4585> <3
[23:05] <binarymutant> yeah
[23:05] <binarymutant> everybody loves skrillex lol :D
[23:06] <binarymutant> brb need energy drink
[23:08] <chris4585> lol
[23:08] <chris4585> I just had pizza and monster <3
[23:19] <Unit193> Never had monster.
[23:23] <binarymutant> qut
[23:23] <binarymutant> wut*?
[23:24] <binarymutant> monster is livelyhood


[05:17] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[05:32] <barrydk> Good morning everyone
[05:32] <Kilos> hi barrydk
[05:34] <barrydk> Hoe gaan dit vanmore
[05:37] <Kilos> goed dankie en self
[05:37] <Kilos> waar kruip mazal weg barrydk ?
[05:50] <nuvolari> o/ more more
[05:50] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos
[05:50] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[05:50] <Kilos> hi jrgns
[05:50] <nuvolari> mornings barrydk, Tonberry, jrgns
[06:07] <jrgns> morning Kilos, nuvolari, all
[07:05] <inetpro> goeie more Kilos
[07:05] <inetpro> and good morning everyone else
[07:05] <Kilos> more inetpro 9mm
[07:06] <inetpro> hmm... ek het vergeet om te kyk
[07:06] <Kilos> baie donner bliksem
[07:06] <Kilos> haha
[07:06] <inetpro> maar daar was nie baie nie
[07:07] <Kilos> nee baie is 50mm of meer
[07:07] <Kilos> in my drome
[07:07] <inetpro> ai
[08:29] <barrydk> Hi kilos nee jong dit gaan bietjie rof hier met ons kry nie kans om bietjie rustig te raak en bietjie te gesels nie.
[08:30] <barrydk> Morning nuvolari
[10:02] <Kilos> Maaz, lunch today
[10:02] <Maaz> Spinach, tomato and onion on toast
[10:02] <Kilos> Maaz, toast
[10:02] <Maaz> Oh well, there will be the same on bread for you toothless wonders
[10:02] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[10:02]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[10:03] <Kilos> inetpro, coffeeeeeee
[10:06] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[10:06] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[10:06] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[10:08] <inetpro> ai!
[10:08] <Kilos> too late
[10:08] <inetpro> Kilos: did you make lunch for us?
[10:10] <Kilos> yeah
[10:22] <Kilos> wat is die engelse woord vir bredie soos in boontjie bredie
[10:34] <Kilos> i member something like breedy/bredie/bready but cant find a spelling for it
[10:35] <barrydk> Isnt it a stew??
[11:01] <Kilos> not really its a mix of beens and potatoes or tomato and potatos etc
[11:01] <Kilos> ill go nind an english/van der merwe word book
[11:01] <Kilos> find
[11:03] <Kilos> hmm says ragoutout stew
[11:03] <Kilos> ragout
[11:07] <Symmetria> heh, anyone been watching the ITU mess?
[11:07] <Symmetria> and their attempts to destroy the freedom of the Internet?
[11:45] <inetpro> Symmetria: no, what can you tell?
[11:58] <inetpro> Kilos: bredie = stew
[11:58] <inetpro> Kilos: did you enjoy your stew?
[12:03] <Kilos> methunk stew gotta have meat in
[12:05] <inetpro> Kilos: not necessarily
[12:05] <Kilos> yeah man. stew without meat is weird
[12:06] <Kilos> vegetable stew
[12:06] <Kilos> eew
[12:06] <Kilos> i spose you  can use some oxo oxtail cubes for some meaty flavour
[12:08] <inetpro> in german it's calle a "Eintopf" = one-pot-dish
[12:08] <inetpro> called*
[12:09] <inetpro> strange how something get's a different connotation in another language
[12:13] <inetpro> Maaz: define stew
[12:13] <Maaz> inetpro: Stew \Stew\, v. i. To be seethed or cooked in a slow, gentle manner, or in heat and moisture. [1913 Webster], Stew \Stew\, n. [OE. stue, stuwe, OF. estuve. See {Stew}, v. t.] 1.  [Obs.] [1913 Webster]  As burning Aetna from his boiling stew Doth belch out flames.
[12:13] <Maaz> --Spenser. [1913 Webster]  The Lydians were inhibited by Cyrus to use any armor, and …
[12:14] <tonberryE352> eintopf looks like a c error code
[12:17] <jrgns> tonberry: lol
[12:17] <inetpro> ai!
[12:29] <Kilos> lol
[13:57] <jrgns> cheers all
[14:16] <nlsthzn> heads up, I got my head out of my *** and did some updates on the report... So far I have IRC meetings for December and January... if there is anything else please update or let me know :p https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/TeamReports/
[14:17] <inetpro> nlsthzn: well done!
[14:18] <inetpro> nlsthzn: oh and thanks
[14:18]  * nlsthzn finds it difficult to get motivated to do linuxy stuff when I am on Windows mostly...
[14:18] <nlsthzn> inetpro, I do so little and even that I don't do on time :/
[14:18] <nlsthzn> but thanks for the thanks :)
[14:18] <inetpro> ai!
[14:19] <nlsthzn> that seems to be the new catch phrase on this channel
[14:25] <Kilos> ty nlsthzn you a good boy at times
[14:26] <Kilos> hehe
[14:26] <Kilos> huis toe inetpro
[14:26] <inetpro> Kilos: hoekom? Is daar nog reen?
[14:26] <Kilos> lol @ ai!
[14:26] <Kilos> nog nie maar jy is moeg gewerk nou
[14:26] <nlsthzn> thanks uncle Kilos ... great to be admirable some of the time :p
[14:26] <inetpro> Kilos: hoe't jy geweet?
[14:27] <Kilos> eks n spy onthou
[14:27] <Kilos> net nou val jy van die baiesukkel af
[14:27] <Kilos> soos nuvolari daai tyd
[14:29] <Kilos> 0007
[14:30] <Kilos> licensed to kill and tease
[14:36] <Squirm> hmm
[14:36] <Squirm> dilemma
[14:43] <Squirm> Core i5 with a 24Gb SSD + 500Gb hdd. or Core i7 Sandy Bridge with no SSD and R500 more.
[14:43] <tonberryE352> 24gb?
[14:44] <Squirm> tonberryE352: yep
[14:50] <superfly> Kilos: are you alive?
[14:51] <superfly> it seems not...
[14:59] <inetpro> superfly: I am
[14:59] <inetpro> I think
[15:00] <Squirm> damn, who has a gun?
[15:00] <Kilos> haha yes superfly
[15:01] <Kilos> was fetching sheep and cooking
[15:03] <Kilos> and trying to get my new maverick to use this 3g to update
[15:04] <Kilos> somewhere i forgot something. can ping <IP_ADDRESS> but not www.google.com
[15:04] <Kilos> this one has <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> as server
[15:05] <superfly> dns
[15:05] <Kilos> s/as/has
[15:06] <Kilos> ai!
[15:06] <Kilos> whats that
[15:06]  * Kilos scratches head
[15:07] <Kilos> this pc is all setup. server works kiff through here
[15:08] <Kilos> oh that ones dns server must be this ones ip right?
[15:09] <Kilos> not the <IP_ADDRESS> trip
[15:15] <inetpro> yikes!
[15:15]  * inetpro just realised > Next upgrade date: 07 February 2013
[15:15] <inetpro> should start looking for a new phone
[15:16] <Squirm> Kilos: umm
[15:16] <Squirm> not always
[15:16] <Kilos> what then Squirm
[15:17] <Squirm> Kilos: make "that ones" dns server <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:17] <Kilos> i have never got maverick to share the 3g. only the server and tinycore
[15:17] <Kilos> oh the one that wants to share
[15:18] <Squirm> because if you can ping <IP_ADDRESS>, it means you have internet access. but because you can't ping www.google.co.za means you need to point to a dns server. <IP_ADDRESS> is googles public dns server
[15:18] <Squirm> does that make sense?
[15:20] <Kilos> yes but it still says unknown host
[15:20] <Kilos> grrr
[15:20] <Kilos> i member this one had that conf prob but nothings been changed since we sorted it
[15:23] <nuvolari> \o/ home time ^_^
[15:23] <Squirm> Kilos: and you restarted networking?
[15:23] <Kilos> remember the sudo gedit /etc/sysctl.conf
[15:23] <Kilos> mooi loop nuvolari
[15:23] <Kilos> oh no
[15:23] <Kilos> i pulled cable
[15:23] <nuvolari> oh oom Kilos, ek sien oom beskinner my :P
[15:23] <Kilos> isnt that same
[15:23] <nuvolari> wat was dit gewees?
[15:23] <Squirm> Kilos: not sure
[15:23] <Kilos> laat my hhor nuvolari
[15:23] <Kilos> hoor
[15:24] <nuvolari> Kilos | net nou val jy van die baiesukkel af
[15:24] <nuvolari> Kilos | soos nuvolari daai tyd
[15:24] <nuvolari> sien nou nou
[15:24] <nuvolari> ek is uit
[15:24] <Kilos> lmga
[15:26] <Kilos> ifdown eth1 dont work there
[15:30] <Kilos> and this one says ifdown: couldn't read interfaces file "/etc/network/interfaces"
[15:30] <Kilos> that was with sudo
[15:31] <Squirm> ifdown eth0 ?
[15:31] <Kilos> ya i did eth0 here
[15:31] <Kilos> that one shows as eth1
[15:31] <Kilos> in nm
[15:35] <Kilos> im sure we had to tell that one to use this one as the dns server
[15:35] <Kilos> i gonna reboot it
[15:36] <Squirm> Kilos: that may work
[15:36] <Squirm> have you tried it?
[15:36] <Kilos> its rebooting now Squirm
[15:37] <Squirm> if you're using NetworkManager. right click on the icon, click to Disable Networking
[15:37] <Squirm> then enable it again
[15:37] <Kilos> i tried this ones ip as the dns server yeah but didnt restart the thing
[15:37] <Kilos> ai!
[15:37] <Kilos> i forgot about that
[15:38] <Kilos> w0000t
[15:39] <Kilos> ty ty
[15:39] <Kilos> ok it works with <IP_ADDRESS> as dns
[15:41] <Squirm> cool
[15:41] <Squirm> bbl, food
[15:41] <Kilos> enjoy
[16:07] <Kilos> hey drussell ludo Mezenir
[16:08] <Mezenir> hey kilos
[16:41] <Kilos> you home superfly ?
[16:41] <Kilos> hows the family?
[16:41] <superfly> ya, got home about an hour ago
[16:42] <superfly> they're doing fine
[16:42] <Kilos> good send regards for me
[16:42] <superfly> will do
[16:44]  * drussell waves to Kilos
[16:45] <maverick> hehe 2 pcs here through same 3g
[16:46] <Guest4336> aw
[16:46] <Guest4336> toods
[16:52] <not_found> night all... sleepy time
[16:52] <Kilos> sleep tight nl
[16:52] <Kilos> nottoo
[16:52] <Kilos> ai!\
[16:53] <Kilos> hmm... xrandr can only go down not up
[16:54] <Kilos> above what it sees as max screen resolution that is
[16:59] <Kilos> hi theblazehen you well
[16:59] <Kilos> been missing hey
[16:59] <Kilos> i go eat
[16:59] <theblazehen> hi kilos yes and you
[17:12] <Kilos> good ty
[17:12] <Kilos> dont miss meeting night on the 18th hey
[17:21] <theblazehen> ok sure
[17:33] <smile> hi :)
[17:33] <Kilos> hi smile
[17:33] <Kilos> :-P
[17:33] <Kilos> hehe
[17:33] <smile> Kilos: do you know how many wikipedia mails I've received today? :p
[17:34] <Kilos> well duh! how should i know that?
[17:34] <Kilos> i cant smell so far
[17:34] <smile> Kilos: no? well, that sucks :P
[17:34] <Kilos> lol
[17:34] <smile> I have received over 100 mails :o
[17:34] <Kilos> in one day?
[17:34] <smile> yeah
[17:34] <smile> :p
[17:34] <Kilos> ouch
[17:34] <smile> yesterday 60+
[17:35] <smile> :p
[17:35] <smile> I have many articles that I follow
[17:35] <smile> and for every edit I receive an email
[17:35] <smile> A bot checked for dead links today & yesterday
[17:35] <smile> in many articles which are on my follow list
[17:35] <smile> :p
[17:36] <Kilos> thats a clever bot
[17:36] <smile> yeah :) it checks for 404 errors
[17:36] <smile> or time out errors
[17:36] <smile> :p
[17:37] <smile> I thought that the articles were in a good shape
[17:37] <smile> but there are many dead links
[17:37] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:37] <smile> some date from 2005 while others are just recently "dead"
[17:37] <Kilos> cant you delete them or something
[17:39] <smile> yeah, we can fix them :)
[17:39] <smile> first we search the website
[17:39] <smile> if the link has changed
[17:39] <smile> otherwise, we check the internet archive at www.archive.org
[17:40] <smile> if that fails, we try to find another source on another website
[17:40] <Kilos> are these links in wikipedia
[17:40] <smile> if that fails too, we delete the link / put it in comments for later
[17:40] <smile> well, they are external links
[17:40] <smile> so not to another wiki page
[17:41] <Kilos> pointing to other sires for info kinda thing?
[17:41] <smile> but to other, external sources (other than wikipedia websites)
[17:41] <smile> yes :)
[17:41] <smile> for example, the official site can change.. the address
[17:41] <Kilos> ah fix them so i dont waste data
[17:41] <Kilos> hehe
[17:41] <smile> or they can delete an article
[17:41] <smile> hehe, Kilos :)
[17:44] <Kilos> hey smile you happy on ubuntu?
[17:44] <smile> yeah very
[17:44] <Kilos> better than that funny thing you used hey
[17:45] <Kilos> told you so
[17:45] <smile> but I deleted apport-gtk and apport Kilos ;)
[17:45] <smile> they stalk me too much
[17:45] <smile> compiz crashed, yea fun
[17:45] <smile> :)
[17:45] <Kilos> who
[17:45] <smile> the bug reporting tool is called apport
[17:45] <smile> :p
[17:45] <Kilos> oh
[17:46] <smile> I applied some Unity fixes though. For minimising windows i just click on the icon of the opened program
[17:46] <smile> omgubuntu.co.uk tip
[17:46] <Kilos> did you look at the tweaks
[17:47] <Kilos> i dont like anything with omg in it
[17:47] <smile> what kind of tweaks, Kilos? :)
[17:47] <smile> omgubuntu is cool ;)
[17:48] <Kilos> there is a unity tweaks or something
[17:48] <Kilos> your friend
[17:48] <smile> There is Ubuntu Tweak and Compiz config manager
[17:48] <Kilos> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/11/unsettings-a-comprehensive-tweaking-tool-for-unity
[17:49] <smile> and MyUnity
[17:49] <smile> will try, Kilos
[17:49] <Kilos> my myunity dont work
[17:49] <Kilos> says im in 2d so dunno wassup this nvidia card
[17:50] <smile> myunity does work here, but it has little options
[17:53] <Kilos> all i used it for was for making fonts bigger so i can see them
[17:53] <smile> unsettings works, Kilos :)
[17:53] <smile> oh I see.
[18:29] <Kilos> inetpro, ping
[18:45] <superfly> tumbleweed: ping
[18:51] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:59] <inetpro> Maaz: tell kilos pong
[18:59] <Maaz> inetpro: Got it, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[19:02] <magespawn> good evening all
[19:03] <inetpro> hi magespawn
[19:04] <magespawn> hey i see Kilos is off to bed already
[19:05] <inetpro> magespawn: yep he's an earlybird
[19:05] <inetpro> likes to catch all the worms before us
[19:06] <magespawn> lately last week was up late
[19:06] <inetpro> so what else is up in #ubuntu-za land?
[19:10] <tumbleweed> superfly: hi
[19:11] <inetpro> hi tumbleweed
[19:12]  * inetpro wondering whether it will be worth waiting for the GALAXY S IV
[19:13] <superfly> tumbleweed: what is the current state of 13.04? Is it stable-ish?
[19:13] <tumbleweed> superfly: apprently it's been the most stable development release ever
[19:14] <tumbleweed> but I don't run Ubuntu on my day-to-day machines any more, so that's not first-hand
[19:14] <inetpro> superfly: I've also heard others raving about it... but not on the KDE side yet
[19:15] <tumbleweed> we've solved archive installability by running a briteny (the program Debian uses to manage unstable -> testing)
[19:15] <superfly> inetpro: apparently KDE 4.10 is made of awesomesauce
[19:15] <tumbleweed> (but we don't do the 10 day aging thing, or block migration if there are RC bugs, like Debian)
[19:16] <inetpro> superfly: what are you running now?
[19:16]  * inetpro is still on KDE 4.8.5
[19:17] <superfly> inetpro: 4.9.4
[19:18] <inetpro> will be very interesting to see the significance of my next upgrade
[19:18]  * inetpro planning to stick with the LTS
[19:19] <superfly> tumbleweed: don't supposed there's an easy way to migrate Kubuntu -> Debian KDE (without reinstalling)?
[19:19] <tumbleweed> no
[19:22] <inetpro> superfly: you think there are many KDE developers back on Debian yet?
[19:24] <Symmetria> hahahahaha oh man, networking meetings ftw, apparently there there was a brawl at nanog
[19:27] <Symmetria> people now in jail and shit
[19:29] <magespawn> tumbleweed: what are you using on your daily then?
[19:30] <tumbleweed> magespawn: debian testing/unstable/experimental mix
[19:30] <smile> bye :)
[19:31] <inetpro> nag smile
[19:31] <smile> dankie inetpro, jy ook
[19:31] <Symmetria> geek meetings are so much more fun when people start punching each other
[19:31] <inetpro> superfly: seems to me debian is still on 4.8.4 even on unstable
[19:33] <magespawn> tumbleweed: thought for a second you were going to say something like fedora or suse etc
[19:34] <superfly> inetpro: that's why you do what tumbleweed does :-)
[19:34] <inetpro> ai!
[19:35]  * inetpro can't afford to chase the bleeding edge
[19:35] <inetpro> it's a never ending race
[19:36] <magespawn> besides stability is a requirement to do other work
[19:36] <inetpro> but I should perhaps try Debian at some stage this year
[19:36] <inetpro> been a very long time since I last tried it
[19:40] <magespawn> is there a big differance between that and ubuntu?
[19:58] <magespawn> sorry inetpro that was for you^
[19:58] <inetpro> magespawn: oh
[19:58] <inetpro> inetpro: well I would not know
[19:58] <inetpro> yet
[19:58] <inetpro> been a very long time since I last tried it
[19:58] <magespawn> i see
[19:58] <inetpro> :-)
[19:59] <inetpro> the difference should not be significant
[20:00] <inetpro> ubuntu is after all based on debian
[20:00] <magespawn> might give it a go, time permitting
[20:01] <inetpro> yeah, that's always the problem
[20:01] <inetpro> if you are young and full of energy you should most certainly try multiple distros
[20:01] <inetpro> it's a very good learning exercise
[20:02] <Vince-0> just watched Ubuntu Q&A with Jono Bacon and he likes Megadeth
[20:02] <magespawn> whats young? but i still like to try many distros anyway
[20:02] <inetpro> whatever that may be
[20:07] <inetpro> magespawn: well you are still young anyway
[20:15] <magespawn> comparatively i suppose lol
[20:47] <magespawn> good night all
[20:52]  * Squirm stretches
[20:53] <Squirm> late at work tonight


[02:02] <sanbar> I was in the middle of a net upgrade from 11.04 to 11.10.  It got messed up.  Now, when booting, I stop at
[02:04] <sanbar> \checking battery state.  I am not sure how to go about fixing my Ubuntu 11.05/11.10 machine.  Can anyone start a troubleshooting session with me to see about this?
[02:05] <Unit193> Stopping in the middle of a distro upgrade can be a killer, if you can't get it to boot at all you should be able to run   sudo do-release-upgrade.
[02:05] <sanbar> from the recovery console?
[02:06] <Unit193> If you can boot into that.
[02:06] <Unit193> Other option would be a chroot.
[02:06] <sanbar> Yes, thanks - just a minute
[02:06] <Unit193> !chroot
[02:06] <ubot2> A chroot is used to make programs believe that the directory they are running in is really the root directory. It can be used to stop programs accessing files outside of that directory, or for compiling 32bit applications in a 64bit environment - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicChroot
[02:08] <sanbar> Unit193: My main concern is my data (in /home and /etc, etc).  I have a primary hard drive on the machine with Windows on it.  What about installing Ubuntu to that drive, then copying over all my data and state information onto it from the horked drive if I can access it as a second drive via mount?
[02:08] <Unit193> LiveCD and you should be able to just grab the data.
[02:09] <sanbar> OK, that makes sense - you mean to like my networked Windows computer?
[02:10] <JoseeAntonioR> sanbar: Have you got a Windows partition?
[02:10] <Unit193> That'll work as well.
[02:10] <sanbar> A separate drive with Windows on it
[02:10] <sanbar> JoseeAntonioR: ^
[02:10] <JoseeAntonioR> sanbar: Then I recommend transferring to the Win drive, and then restoring the files
[02:12] <sanbar> Oh, I could use my thumb drive for the data - that is the best option I think with LiveCD
[02:13] <JoseeAntonioR> sanbar: If all your data fits in one, then it's fine
[02:13] <sanbar> JoseeAntonioR: Yes, I think it will, but not sure - I can bzip it though
[02:14] <JoseeAntonioR> Great, hope it works
[02:21] <sanbar> JoseeAntonioR: Thanks
[02:42] <escott> !sysrq
[02:42] <ubot2> In an emergency, you may be able to shutdown cleanly and reboot by holding down Alt+PrintScreen and typing, in succession, R, E, I, S, U and B. For an explanation, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key
[02:44] <JoseeAntonioR> escott: Wow, great tip
[02:45] <escott> JoseeAntonioR, sorry that wasn't meant for this channel, ubottu is AWOL over in #ubuntu
[02:45] <Unit193> Well, I'll have to remember it nontheless.
[02:45] <JoseeAntonioR> But anyways, great tip! Thanks!
[02:55] <JoseeAntonioR> Hi, IAmNotThatGuy!
[02:55] <IAmNotThatGuy> Hello JoseeAntonioR
[14:42] <s-fox> Hello.
[15:50] <s-fox> Goodbye.