[00:35] <paulmey> https://code.launchpad.net/~paul-meyer/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/323532
[00:35] <paulmey> found and fixed a bug...
[00:36] <paulmey> bug # 1687712
[00:52] <blackboxsw> thx for that paulmey. I'm end of day now. but I'll get you a thorough review on this tomorrow if it isn't reviewed before then.
[15:23] <blackboxsw> forgot to mention powersj  I found an existing project registered over in opensuse build service https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/Cloud:Tools/cloud-init
[15:23] <blackboxsw> for when we start looking at trying to auto-gen RPMs
[15:23] <powersj> ah yes I did see this the other day. Looks like someone setup cloud-init builds for suse
[15:24] <blackboxsw> not sure how we'd coordinate w/ that (or avoid stepping on toes). But yeah it looked like it was about ~2 months old
[15:24] <powersj> +18 patches
[15:24] <blackboxsw> yeah lots of patch love
[15:24] <blackboxsw> some of those I checked against our master and saw fixes already landed
[15:41] <smoser> blackboxsw, powersj i signed up for fedora account yesterday (actually had one already, as i'm cool like that)
[15:41] <smoser> signed up for copr
[15:41] <smoser> i think copr is right for centos/fedora/rhel rpms
[15:41] <smoser> and then suse build for suse
[15:41] <smoser> thoughts?
[15:44] <blackboxsw> smoser: yeah that sounds good to me. I signed up for one end of last week as I'm not cool like that
[15:44] <blackboxsw> it's doable.
[15:45] <blackboxsw> both looked viable
[15:45] <blackboxsw> and copr is probably best in class for RHEL centos anyway (though it didn't seem to have a *ton* of projects registered if I recall)
[15:47] <blackboxsw> smoser, I've setup a digital ocean account and am spinning up a couple test instances to validate failed behavior of https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1676908.   Will wrap up these SRU templates today I hope
[15:47] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1676908 in cloud-init (Ubuntu Zesty) "DigitalOcean network improvements" [Medium,Confirmed]
[15:48] <smoser> blackboxsw, i can just bother utlemming and ask him for help on that
[15:48] <smoser> and i'm perfectly fine to have him veriy
[15:48] <smoser> this is quite reasonable. he opened bug, he mostly did work, his company benefit..
[15:48] <blackboxsw> smoser: +1 on bothering BHoward :)
[15:49]  * smoser pings utlemming
[15:51] <utlemming> smoser: here....I thought I was hanging out, but was disconnected :)
[15:52] <smoser> utlemming, thanks
[15:52] <smoser> blackboxsw, bother utlemming
[15:53] <blackboxsw> hi ben, time to bother you about https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1676908
[15:53] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1676908 in cloud-init (Ubuntu Zesty) "DigitalOcean network improvements" [Medium,Confirmed]
[15:53] <utlemming> yup
[15:53] <blackboxsw> I was going to try setting up a test config droplet in DO that'd reproduce the problem you fixed with your branch
[15:53] <smoser> utlemming, we'd like for you to do the sru template and verify fix
[15:54] <smoser> as your knowledge of digital ocean surpasses even blackboxsw's (who signed up more than 8 hours ago)
[15:54] <blackboxsw> but wanted to get some guidance on a general test config/setup that'd expose this original proble
[15:54] <utlemming> I'd be happy too...
[15:54] <utlemming> smoser: any chance that https://code.launchpad.net/~utlemming/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init-1/+merge/323273 could be included?
[15:55] <utlemming> that is the root cause on another bug....let me fetch that for you
[15:57] <utlemming> smoser: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1681531
[15:57] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1681531 in cloud-init (Ubuntu) "networking.service fails on ifup if networking configured via cloud-init" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[16:02] <blackboxsw> yep, I've created my first droplet and it looks like your initial changes from #1676908 are already present http://paste.ubuntu.com/24505957/
[16:03] <blackboxsw> so DO pulls from xenial-updates
[16:03] <blackboxsw> wow spelling auto-correction by irccloud. hmm don't think I like that
[16:04] <blackboxsw> DO droplets pull from xenial-updates and I see part of ben's changes already present.
[16:07] <utlemming> blackboxsw: we're using the official images, but that is a dpkg-divert because...welp, broken
[16:10] <smoser> blackboxsw, of course they pull from -updates
[16:10] <smoser> ah.
[16:10] <smoser> hm..
[16:14] <blackboxsw> AMheh.
[16:30]  * blackboxsw steps out for an early lunch
[16:41] <ragechin> rharper: Do you have that documentation PR from yesterday handy? I seem to have lost it.
[16:41] <rharper> i do
[16:42] <rharper> https://code.launchpad.net/~raharper/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/321397
[16:42] <rharper> ragechin: feel free to nudge smoser to land it; then it will get published on cloud-init's read-the-docs
[16:42] <ragechin> THanks.
[17:05] <smoser> utlemming, why wouldn't you fix your metadata on digital ocean?
[17:05] <smoser> essentially  https://code.launchpad.net/~utlemming/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init-1/+merge/323273 looks like the MD is provding a gateway that you're saying doesnt work.
[17:25] <utlemming> smoser: checking, on that
[17:25] <utlemming> but I would still like to ignore the second nics
[17:25] <utlemming> for the purpouses of a gateway
[17:26] <smoser> :)
[17:40] <smoser> utlemming, do you agree that the information provided to cloud-init is kind of broken ?
[17:41] <smoser> why would you have gateways on two nics?
[17:41] <ragechin> DHCP assigned addresses on both NICs
[17:41] <ragechin> see: AWS
[17:42] <utlemming> smoer: yup, I'm getting the history on that now
[17:42] <ragechin> hey smoser, any chance you can push this along please?
[17:42] <ragechin> https://code.launchpad.net/~raharper/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/321397
[17:59] <paulmey> blackboxsw, smoser, I updated https://code.launchpad.net/~paul-meyer/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/323532
[18:00] <utlemming> smoser: so yeah, its wrong, but we're going to have use a different version of the json in order to fix that
[18:00] <paulmey> cleaned up tests, more specific assertions and added warnings for unused options
[18:00] <smoser> paulmey, thanks.
[18:00] <smoser> utlemming, ok, can you open a bug and provide info, then we comment in the MP on what we're doing
[18:01] <smoser> because otherwise i'm going to wonder WTH IS GOING ON in 6 months when i look at that again.
[18:01] <smoser> rharper, on https://code.launchpad.net/~raharper/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/321397
[18:02] <smoser> hmm.
[18:02] <blackboxsw> paulmey: looking now, thanks
[18:03] <smoser> i'll just make some commits and sugest them, rharper
[18:03] <rharper> smoser: ok, more since the last time
[18:03] <rharper> I pulled your PR and fixed what you suggested
[18:04] <smoser> yeah. just some stuff i thin is confusing. its ard to type
[18:05] <rharper> sure
[18:07] <utlemming> smoser: updated the commit message to refence the bug, and updated https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1681531
[18:07] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1681531 in cloud-init (Ubuntu) "DigitalOcean DS defines mutliple gateways via meta-data" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[18:18] <blackboxsw> utlemming: are you generating an SRU template for https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1676908  too ?
[18:18] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1676908 in cloud-init (Ubuntu Zesty) "DigitalOcean network improvements" [Medium,Confirmed]
[18:38] <blackboxsw> smoser: I'm not really sure what the intent of extra_opts is in fs_setup. I see no docs about it in https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/examples.html#disk-setup and the behavior of the code seems to lead me to think any functionality could have been handled by setting fs_setup: cmd: to include everything someone wants to do.
[18:38] <utlemming> blackboxsw: fwiw, with out my other patch requested, the SRU will fail.
[18:40] <utlemming> blackboxsw: both have been SRU'ified
[18:41] <utlemming> although I seem to have been kicked out of all my LP groups, so I can't even nominate the bugs
[18:41] <blackboxsw> excellent utlemming
[18:41] <blackboxsw> or should I saw darkmuggle
[18:42] <blackboxsw> say*
[18:42] <utlemming> either :)
[19:06] <smoser> rharper, http://paste.ubuntu.com/24506946/
[19:06] <smoser> see HELPME comments ...
[19:06] <rharper> ok
[19:23] <smoser> rharper, does that stuff make sense ?
[19:23] <smoser> (the patch there)
[19:23] <smoser> utlemming, thanks.
[19:23] <smoser> paulmey, htanks
[19:23] <rharper> smoser: yes;  extra docs for helping folks
[19:24] <rharper> working them now
[19:39] <blackboxsw> paulmey: minor comments added to your proposal. thanks
[20:02] <paulmey> blackboxsw: implemented all your suggestions. Thanks for reviewing!
[20:03] <blackboxsw> np paulmey
[20:10] <rharper> smoser: merged and re-pushed to branch;
[20:28] <anticw> i have vm images i want to use on openstack, ec2 and locally ... when using them locally there is nothing for cloud-init to talk to (which is fine)
[20:28] <anticw> however, i can't seem to make cloud-init time-out promptly or reliably
[20:29] <anticw> seeing a datasource and seting timeouts, etc i still see it retrying for 120s (default which i thought i changed)
[20:43] <rharper> anticw: you may want to use the NoCloud datasource locally instead of modifying the timeouts;
[20:45] <rharper> anticw: if you want to debug the timeout, getting /var/log/cloud-init.log along with the cloud-config you seeded in the image will help us debug
[20:56] <anticw> rharper: how does cloud-init know to use NoCloud on boot?
[20:56] <rharper> fileysstem label
[20:56] <rharper> http://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/datasources/nocloud.html
[20:56] <rharper> cidata is the volume label
[20:57] <anticw> cloud-drive?
[20:57] <rharper> yeah
[20:57] <anticw> but i 100% don't want that
[20:57] <anticw> why can't it just give up mucking about after 5s or so?
[20:57] <rharper> or, if you want to embed it directly in the image, you write files to /var/lib/cloud/seed/nocloud/{user-data,meta-data}
[20:57] <anticw> in ec2 it will easily get a response before then
[20:57] <anticw> no, i want the same images in all 3 envs
[20:57] <anticw> the exact same bits
[20:58] <rharper> but if you're not on ec2, the cloud-config won't apply
[20:58] <anticw> but then it delays usable boot times for 120s or more
[20:58] <anticw> VMs locally boot in about 2s or so
[20:58] <anticw> with it ... well, it's 125s+
[20:59] <anticw> (boot meaning to the point i can login)
[20:59] <rharper> right, if you use NoCloud or ConfigDrive, with the same user-data, then cloud-init will find those and run them;
[20:59] <anticw> and if it can't find them ... can i not have it timeout?
[20:59] <rharper> if you supply the same user data to an ec2 instance, it will find the ec2 metadata service and consume the same user-data and run the same paths w.r.t cloud-config
[20:59] <anticw> i mean, i could also have an init process that looks to see if it's still there after 10s and shoots it
[21:00] <anticw> i must be missing something simple sorry
[21:01] <rharper> cloud-init is attempting to find a source of data;  if you don't provide one, it currently assumes you *might* be on an ec2 instance;  historically it;s had a long timeout for various reasons;
[21:01] <rharper> I'm suggesting that you keep the same image, but provide the user-data via a config drive, so cloud-init can find it when you boot locally
[21:02] <anticw> and if i don't want config drive but would rather a timeout?
[21:02] <rharper> that will provide the same results w.r.t applying user-data (ie, set this password, import this key, etc)  as it would if you booted the image in ec2
[21:02] <rharper> the default timeout is long, as you know; changing that requires modifying the image
[21:02] <rharper> embedding some cloud-config in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/  for the EC2 datasource
[21:03] <rharper> there's a max_wait: value; I'd need to read the code a bit more to write up the details
[21:03] <rharper> even if your time out, no user-data will be applied
[21:03] <rharper> anticw: do you want the image to not run cloud-init locally ?
[21:03] <anticw> i tried setting a max_wait without success; googling i find others struggling with this too
[21:03] <anticw> rharper: locally i do NOT want cloud-init right
[21:04] <rharper> if so, you can pass a kernel parameter to disable cloud-init altogether
[21:04] <anticw> but kernel parms come from the boot loader ...
[21:04] <rharper> yes, I see your concern here
[21:04] <anticw> if i can't reduce the 120s via config i can just hack the code i guess
[21:05] <rharper> well, I'll file a bug on ec2 timeout docs;  there isn't much there
[21:05] <anticw> i could probably put a metadata server at <IP_ADDRESS> if there was a suitable reply that meant 'go away' but i'm not sure there is
[21:05] <anticw> rharper: there are docs/examples there but i can't get them working, likely it's me
[21:06] <rharper> anticw: in trunk cloud-init, the ds-identify feature will not run cloud-init unless it detects a local datasource; but on ec2 it woudl detect it's ec2 and enable itself
[21:06] <rharper> this is on it;s way back to previous releases (in zesty, yakkety, and eventually xenial)
[21:06] <anticw> this is ub1604 current upstream so likely not in that
[21:06] <rharper> not yet
[21:06] <rharper> you can modify it to use the strict policy now, if you like though
[21:07] <anticw> i could pattch and make a new pkg
[21:07] <rharper> you only need a new config file
[21:07] <anticw> patch even
[21:07] <anticw> oh?
[21:08] <rharper> % cat etc/cloud/ds-identify.cfg
[21:08] <rharper> policy: search,found=first,maybe=all,notfound=disabled
[21:08] <rharper> ci.datasource.ec2.strict_id=true
[21:08] <rharper> for 1604 with cloud-init version: 0.7.9-90-g61eb03fe-0ubuntu1~16.04.1
[21:08] <rharper> which is in xenial-updates
[21:08] <rharper> that policy file will force cloud-init to ensure it finds a datasource or it won't run
[21:09] <rharper> this means for a local boot, without config drive, it will skip cloud-init running altogether
[21:09] <rharper> but the same image with config drive, or booted in ec2, will run
[21:09] <rharper> does that get you what you need?
[21:10] <anticw> i think it might, waiting for it to time-out to test
[21:12] <rharper> you might be interested in mount-image-callback tool which let's you mount and modify the image without booting it
[21:12] <rharper> in the cloud-image-utils
[21:18] <anticw> i can modify images just fine
[21:18] <anticw> the goal though is to have a base images that is *not* modified
[21:19] <anticw> i've had to mount the zvol more than a couple of times locally to unfark stupid things i did
[21:25] <rharper> hehe
[21:29] <anticw> rharper: i created ds-identify.cfg as you showed above but it cloud-init still runs
[21:29] <anticw> let me check i didn't goof
[21:30] <rharper> are you running the cloud-init version I pasted above ?
[21:31] <anticw> oh, i see ... i actually assumed i was but didn't check, sorry
[21:31] <anticw> that's a git version id in there so not release tag, my guess is not
[21:32] <rharper> ok, if you apt update && apt install cloud-init, it'll upgrade to the newer version which has ds-identify available for use
[21:32] <anticw> it's in the apt-repo very recently?
[21:33] <rharper> for a few weeks or more
[21:33] <anticw> i do have it
[21:34] <rharper> ok, then we can look at /run/cloud-init/ds-identify.log
[21:35] <rharper> the default behavior without the ds-identify.cfg is to always run (as it has in the past); the policy file should direct it to not run unless it detects a local datasource (or a some other cloud identifier, for say ec2)
[21:36] <anticw> https://pastebin.com/5xdMeUE1 && https://pastebin.com/S5HMyVTW
[21:36] <anticw> maybe for ec2
[21:37] <anticw> "1 datasources returned maybe: Ec2"
[21:39] <rharper> ack, looking
[21:46] <rharper> anticw: do you have any Ec2 cloud-config in any of the /etc/cloud/* subtree ?
[21:47] <anticw> no
[21:47] <rharper> hrm, I have a plain 1604 image with that same policy loaded, but it doesn't return maybe for ec2 ... trying to figure out why yours is...
[21:48] <anticw> i did alter cloud.cfg to try and get things going and also to take out the apt modules, because with those in place source.list gets wrecked
[21:49] <anticw> i can [re]test with the stock cloud.cfg likely
[21:49] <rharper> that wouldn't affect it
[21:50] <rharper> if you're on your instance now;, you can remove /run/cloud-init/.ds-identify.result and then  sh -x /usr/lib/cloud-init/ds-identify &> ds.log;  that'll re-run ds-identify with execution tracing, and I can see how it got a maybe
[21:52] <anticw> --force?
[21:52] <anticw> otherwise cached
[21:52] <rharper> I think the dot file is the cache test
[21:52] <rharper> but you can also pass --force, won't hurt
[21:53] <anticw> so this time i got: 2 datasources returned maybe: OVF Ec2
[21:53] <anticw> pastebin ds.log for you?
[21:53] <rharper> please
[21:53] <rharper> =/
[21:53] <rharper> I think maybe OVF is expected ...   and I've been down this path before;  /me triple checks the contents of ds-identify.cfg
[21:54] <anticw> https://pastebin.com/Uz7hPdjZ
[21:55] <rharper> you need either the --force or rm /run/cloud-init/.ds-identify.result
[21:55] <rharper> the paste was from that cached run
[21:58] <anticw> oh sorry, i did it 2x and forgot to remove it the second time
[22:03] <anticw> rharper: https://pastebin.com/8jTnqpXX
[22:03] <rharper> k
[22:22] <blackboxsw> smoser: last SRU bug template for softlayer. For testing, shall I  make-configdrive-dir, but remove the dated directory from the lxd  leaving only the latest directory. Then I could run ds-identify and make sure it still finds the content?
[22:22] <blackboxsw> the bug I meant to reference: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1673637
[22:22] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1673637 in cloud-init "cloud-init - Hosts in softlayer receiving warning" [High,Confirmed]


[03:46] <damascene> Hi, I'm on ubuntu 14.04 when I open security & privacy it open system settings window
[03:48] <damascene> the annoying thing that I have to close that window about 20 time as it keep coming back
[04:20] <glitsj16> damascene: noticed that too yesterday .. i did a 'sudo killall gnome-control-center' to stop it from jumping back .. haven't seen any bug reports on it yet
[06:12] <damascene> Hi, I'm on ubuntu 14.04 when I open security & privacy it open system settings window
[10:45] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:31] <trinode> Hey, I've got a Trusty server running VMs, the VMs include debian, windows and Trusty, trusty fails to boot (fresh install, several attempts) how can I track down what it's doing when it's failing?
[13:39] <bencc> is there a chance libreoffice 4.2 will be included with trusty now that it's published?
[13:43] <trinode> hmm, booting into recovery console, exiting then resuming boot allowed the system to boot without crashing
[13:52] <trinode> right I've found the issue
[13:52] <trinode> 14.04 dies when using "cirrus" as the graphics card in kvm
[14:27] <Poisoned_Dragon> Hi all. Is anyone using Kubuntu 14.04?
[14:30] <BluesKaj> yes, that's what this chat is all about , Poisoned_Dragon
[14:31] <BluesKaj> <-- Kubuntu 14.04 here
[14:34] <Poisoned_Dragon> I just got borked package updates involving kubuntu-settings-desktop, and kubuntu-settings-netbook. I was wondering if I was alone. Had to remove kubuntu-settings-desktop, as a result. Kubuntu-settings-netbook complains of dependency issues.
[16:29] <otoburb> hi -- i've got the dreaded flashplugin-intsaller hanging issue going from 13.10 to 14.04
[16:31] <otoburb> i followed the instructions here: http://www.liberiangeek.net/2014/01/daily-ubuntu-tips-upgrade-to-ubuntu-14-04-trusty-tahr-from-13-10/
[16:36] <glitsj16> otoburb: are you running the install command or using GUI?
[16:37] <otoburb> glitsj16: i ran "update-manager -d" from the command which popped up the GUI
[16:37] <otoburb> after that, i clicked "Upgrade" in the Software Updater dialogue
[16:37] <otoburb> which then proceeded to show the embedded terminal window fetching and installing packages
[16:38] <otoburb> but then it seemed to have hung on "downloading adobe-flashplugin-installer" for 20 minutes, at which point i then decided to try to reboot
[16:38] <otoburb> .... which in hindsight probably not a good idea
[16:38] <glitsj16> otoburb: i see, i thought you were having trouble installing flashplugin in a running 14.04..
[16:38] <otoburb> glitsj16: nope. this is (was?) an in-progress upgrade from 13.10 to 14.04
[16:39] <glitsj16> otoburb: that probably didn't have good results .. can you boot into it?
[16:40] <otoburb> negative
[16:41] <glitsj16> otoburb: is the update-manager -d command still active? even when hanging?
[16:41] <otoburb> kernel panic
[16:41] <otoburb> glitsj16: it was yes
[16:41] <glitsj16> otoburb: ouch
[16:41] <otoburb> glitsj16: it's ok. i'll reinstall. i knew what i was getting into since 14.04 is alpha :)
[16:42] <glitsj16> otoburb: that looks the best option yes .. perhaps when installer shows up, don't check 'updates while installing' and wait untill you get a clean boot before updating/installing packages
[16:43] <otoburb> glitsj16: i'll try that next time
[16:43] <otoburb> it told me it disabled 3rd party repos, so didn't pay a second thought
[16:43] <glitsj16> otoburb: and activate the partner repo for flash, you can then install adobe-flashplugin
[16:43] <otoburb> hmm ok
[16:44] <glitsj16> otoburb: easy enough to forget that, goodluck this time around :)
[16:44] <otoburb> thx
[17:57] <genii> For Kubuntu users today where the package kubuntu-settings-desktop is choking, if you don't want to wait until the new package hits the mirrors: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6850585/
[18:55] <rohan> is anyone using kubuntu 14.04? I'm getting this problem on a package upgrade: /var/lib/dpkg/info/kubuntu-settings-desktop.postinst: 59: /var/lib/dpkg/info/kubuntu-settings-desktop.postinst: Syntax error: end of file unexpected (expecting "}")
[18:56] <Pici> rohan: genii suggested earlier that there was a fix coming for that.
[18:57] <genii> rohan: Here's the steps i took to manually fix it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6850585/
[18:57] <rohan> genii: i manually fixed it by adding the missing semicolon
[18:58] <rohan> aha, that's quite involved. i just manually edited /var/lib/dpkg/info/kubuntu-settings-desktop.postinst
[18:58] <rohan> but thanks for the info, Pici , genii :)
[18:59] <genii> rohan: The Kubuntu devs are aware of the issue and a fix has been made, but it has not gone into the repositories yet
[18:59] <genii> rohan: I did it that way so that the fixed deb file will be in the system, etc :)
[19:00] <rohan> genii: yes, your way is definitely the right way to do it :)
[19:15] <rohan> does anyone know how to make evolution look in-line with KDE? it currently looks like an unthemed GTK application
[19:19] <UserError> Will the current 14.04 images be upgradeable to release?
[19:20] <jtaylor> yes
[19:20] <UserError> Are the server minimal installations still different from desktop?
[19:21] <UserError> settings, repos, kernel, modules (minimal)
[19:21] <jtaylor> probably
[19:22] <rohan> basically all my GTK applications are looking crappy (except firefox)
[19:22] <rohan> something like this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/87037/gtk-in-kubuntu-apps-look-bad -- but the solution given here doesn't work
[19:23] <UserError> Is there a 14.04 netinstall / mini.iso ?
[19:29] <Pici> UserError: There should be one, but it won't be on the minimal wiki page.  Just follow the naming convention to find the proper url
[19:31] <mamarley> rohan: That looks like the default GTK3 theme is getting used instead of Oxygen.  Make sure gtk3-engines-oxygen is installed and change the GTK3 theme under System Settings>Application Appearance>GTK  to something else, apply the settings, and then change it back to Oxygen.
[19:34] <rohan> mamarley: switching it worked! thanks.
[19:35] <UserError> Pici thanks :)
[19:41] <mamarley> No problem :)
[20:27] <dakotawulfy> hi
[20:29] <dakotawulfy>  my zenity boxes are not working right  is there way to if that problem?
[21:57] <soee> someone here who testes alreadt nvidia-prime 0.5.5 ?


[11:04] <jlj> Everyone managing not to melt? ;)
[19:16] <daftykins> i totally melted doing some network cable termination today D:
[19:16] <daftykins> the worst part is there are AC units on the walls but they've had to be commissioned


[11:05] <brunch875> woah, the mailing list surely burns
[18:46] <lugarius> horuxan: still here?
[18:47] <lugarius> hello rakete, matrix user huh?
[18:47] <rakete> yep
[19:01] <lugarius> heh
[19:10] <horuxan> yes lugarius
[19:11] <horuxan> now error on ICrypto
[19:11] <horuxan> and rild.te
[19:13] <lugarius> What is ICrypto or rild.te
[19:14] <lugarius> horuxan: your link is unusable for me
[19:15] <lugarius> http://pastebin.om/ is unknown for me
[19:15] <lugarius> !ping
[19:15] <ubot5`> pong!
[19:16] <lugarius> good, a bot
[19:18] <horuxan> kkkkkkk
[19:19] <horuxan> c*
[19:33] <lugarius> horuxan: what
[19:52] <horuxan> http://pastebin.com/1UiN3muL
[19:53] <horuxan> lugarius,
[19:55] <lugarius> so, what is that?
[20:34] <horuxan> Error, I'm trying to port the ubuntu for moto g titan
[20:35] <horuxan> lugarius,
[20:42] <lugarius> uff, no idea mate,  contact mario grip
[20:53] <TartSpart> hi there
[20:53] <TartSpart> can anyone tell me about SWAP use in Ubuntu Touch?
[21:07] <TartSpart> Hey
[21:07] <TartSpart> Do you know anything about SWAP use in Ubuntu Touch?
[21:14] <TartSpart> Hi there
[21:16] <TartSpart> Spreken ze English?
[21:18] <dobey> !patience | TartSpart
[21:18] <ubot5`> TartSpart: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org or http://askubuntu.com/
[21:19] <TartSpart> Are yuk guys real users or bots?
[21:19] <dobey> ubot5` is a bot
[21:19] <ubot5`> Yes, I can confirm that I am a bot. For more information, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots
[21:19] <TartSpart> *you
[21:20] <TartSpart> Are you real dobey?
[21:20] <dobey> that's questionable. but philosophy is not the topic of this channel
[21:21] <TartSpart> Ok, I want to know if I should adjust my swappiness value from 100 on my BQ Aquarius  M10.
[21:22] <dobey> no, i don't think so
[21:23] <TartSpart> I'm using gnome-system-monitor and my SWAP file is like 496/512MB
[21:23] <TartSpart> Which alarms me I have to admit.
[21:24] <dobey> i would suggest that gnome-system-monitor on the m10 under libertine, is probably not especially useful
[21:24] <horuxan> mariogrip, hello
[21:24] <horuxan> good night
[21:25] <dobey> you'd be better to open the main terminal app and see what "free" and "top" have to say about memory usage
[21:26] <dobey> i don't know what all you're doing on your tablet, but i would say in general changing the "swappiness" from the defaults is probably not a great idea
[21:27] <TartSpart> Generally just multitasking casually across several apps.
[21:28] <dobey> unity8 apps or legacy apps?
[21:28] <TartSpart>  Swap:       524284     503520      20764 is the output of "free"
[21:28] <TartSpart> Primarily Unity8, I just have the system monitor up from legacy.
[21:28] <dobey> ie, firefox is pretty heavy in terms of memory usage, and the m10 only has i think 3 GB RAM
[21:29] <dobey> well sort by memory usage in top and see what's eating memory. maybe something has a leak or something?
[21:29] <TartSpart> 2GB actually. Yes I have several tabs on the default Ubuntu browser.
[21:29] <dobey> also if you dumped any large files into /tmp for example, that will eat up memory, as /tmp is a ram fs
[21:30] <dobey> yeah, the browser will eat up memory too. it's the chromium content api that powers it
[21:30] <dobey> so more tabs == more ram
[21:31] <TartSpart> Ok, I'll quit it for starters.
[21:32] <TartSpart> And of course that immediately dips the RAM and SWAP, phew.
[21:34] <TartSpart> Ah about tmp. I was wondering. Is it a RAM disk fs by default? As in can I put files of any size up to a certain limit depending on RAM usage and that can reduce writes to the flash storage of the device?
[21:36] <dobey> yes, /tmp is ramdisk
[21:37] <TartSpart> That's how I sometimes use my desktop with 8GB of RAM and an SSD, to prolong the r/w lifecycle of the SSD. But I had to specifically configure that system to permit a 4GB RAM disk mounted  in tmp  and I wasn't sure if the same was applicable for UT devices.
[21:39] <dobey> well, /tmp is a memory backed filesystem on Ubuntu. that includes phone/tablet/server/pc
[21:41] <TartSpart> So there's no arbitrary memory limitation outside of the size of RAM and what's loaded in memory, to limit the size of file which can be placed in the directory?
[21:43] <TartSpart> Or files plural.
[21:43] <dobey> basically, yeah
[21:44] <TartSpart> Great! Thanks for telling me, web searches yielded nothing.
[21:44] <dobey> "df" would have told you :)
[21:45] <TartSpart> Again, thanks. How familiar are you with installing Libertine apps to Touch devices?
[21:46] <dobey> not especially. the libertine app provides the ui for managing containers iirc
[21:47] <dobey> basically you can apt-get install pretty much anything inside the container, that's in the archives
[21:48] <TartSpart> Indeed. I've been playing about with several today. Video game emulators seem out of the question due to a lack of Opening on the M10.
[21:48] <TartSpart> Vlc also chokes on video output, which is diappointing, but I'm wondering if there's a way to fix that.
[21:49] <TartSpart> *OpenGL  not opening
[21:49] <dobey> opengl should work
[21:50] <dobey> oh, maybe there is something that needs changed in how the X servers get run though
[21:50] <TartSpart> It seems to break emulators whenever I apply it in the settings.
[21:51] <dobey> there are some emulators in the app store that run on unity8 directly
[21:51] <dobey> (not sure what you're looking for exactly though)
[21:52] <dobey> libertine devs would be better to answer that
[21:52] <dobey> you'll have better luck after jan 3 though, when people start coming back from vacation :)
[21:55] <TartSpart> Maybe, I'll check out U8 emus. But as for VLC, someone told me that the M10's CPU is too slow for software decoding, and hardware accelerated decoding is somehow hamstrung in Libertine apps, possibly related to how the X servers function as you say.
[21:57] <TartSpart> Sound about right to you?
[22:01] <dobey> well hardware decoding is probably a little more complex, for security
[22:02] <dobey> the CPU probably is indeed not great for software decoding
[22:02] <TartSpart> Again like you say I guess my best bet is to talk to the Libertine debs.
[22:05] <TartSpart> Are you familiar with the factory desktop apps e.g. gedit, Libre Office, Firefox etc how you need to mount the SD card via terminal so that they can interact with the card?
[22:06] <dobey> it would need to be bind mounted somewhere into the container's chroot; i don't know exactly how best to do it though. another question for libertine devs i would suggest
[22:07] <TartSpart> Well I mean it's an easy enough mount command, that itself isn't a problem.
[22:09] <TartSpart> But if you try this with any desktop apps you manually install via Libertine e.g. Vlc then for whatever reason they still don't detect the card.
[22:10] <TartSpart> That's another thing I need an explanation/fix for and I hope the debs can help.
[22:13] <TartSpart> devs *
[22:16] <TartSpart> Anyway what devices are you guys using?
[22:20] <dobey> well you presumably created another container, and vlc is in that other container. so you have to mount it in each container you want to use it in
[22:21] <TartSpart> Ah, very good point, I hadn't thought of that!
[22:23] <dobey> anyway, have to go
[22:25] <TartSpart> Ok thanks man, see ya!
[23:20] <Tseko> Hi
[23:20] <Tseko> I want to ask you about ubuntu phone
[23:21] <Tseko> Can i using on my blackberry 10 ?
[23:21] <Tseko> Blackbery classic *
[23:23] <Tseko> ...
[23:25] <OerHeks> Tseko, no. see the supported devices and ports
[23:25] <Tseko> Can you give me list with them
[23:25] <OerHeks> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/devices/devices/
[23:26] <Tseko> Thank you
[23:26] <OerHeks> and if that phone meets the specs, start your own port? https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/devices/porting-new-device/
[23:27] <Tseko> Have a nice day
[23:28] <OerHeks> You too!


[18:05] <smoser> o/
[20:52] <tennis> hi guys, I need to use a resolv_conf config like the one here http://cloudinit.readthedocs.org/en/latest/topics/examples.html#configure-an-instances-resolv-conf
[20:52] <tennis> But where should the file be located and what should be its name?
[20:53] <tennis> The docs are vague about where files starting with "#cloud-config" should be located and what their names should be.
[21:17] <tennis> Bueller? Bueller?


[19:43] <bcurtiswx> jbicha, really Banshee has DVD now.. cool
[19:45] <jbicha> looks like it just landed in git a week ago, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=549568
[19:45] <jbicha> I haven't tried it yet
[19:45] <lubotu1`> Gnome bug 549568 in general "DVD support" [Enhancement,Resolved: fixed]
[19:45] <bcurtiswx> me either, but that would make it a superb piece of software
[19:46] <maco> bcurtiswx: uds?
[19:46] <bcurtiswx> maco, no i've basically stopped Ubuntu for the time being... dissertations and proposals take the life out of ya :(
[19:47]  * bcurtiswx is trying to stay active, but it seems i don't have much time for that


[14:11] <dpm> popey, mhall119, who is doing the Q&A today? I've not been in the last two, so I'll be on it
[14:11] <popey> I was on the last two.. soo... :)
[14:28] <mhall119> I think I was on the last one
[14:28] <mhall119> dpm: I'll go on with you, since the rest of our team are slackers
[14:28] <elfy> good day people
[14:28] <mhall119> morning elfy
[14:29] <dpm> lol
[14:29] <dpm> thanks mhall119
[14:29] <dpm> hi elfy
[14:29] <dpm> setting up the hangout now
[14:29] <dpm> (for later)
[14:30] <mhall119> dpm: we have our call now, right?
[14:30] <dpm> mhall119, yeah
[14:31] <dpm> mhall119, let me post on the social networks and join the call, I'll be 1 min
[15:15] <dpm> mhall119, ok, hangout set up and uoa page updated for later
[15:30]  * mhall119 prepared adequate caffiene
[15:58] <dpm> popey, any core apps updates you'd want us to highlight?
[15:59] <popey> 1. music app was updated in the store yesterday with some bug fixes in
[15:59] <popey> 2. reminders was bumped by QA due to a couple of crashes and UI bugs (which is good because it shows our QA process works) :)
[16:00] <popey> 4. Calculator struggling with one UI issue and once done we'll submit to QA
[16:00] <popey> 3. Docviewer full screen viewing of PDFs (i.e. top toolbar hidden, indicator shown) landed in trunk, will update in the store a bit later.
[16:00] <popey> that's it for now.
[16:01] <czajkowski> KAPMAN is my new favourite game in the software center
[16:01] <czajkowski> did not know it existed!!!
[16:01] <czajkowski> I know it's not an app app but just felt like sharing :)
[17:13] <mhall119> czajkowski: in the phone store or desktop store?
[17:15] <czajkowski> desktop store
[17:15] <czajkowski> not had a chance to properly play with new phone as need curent phone for working apps for work
[17:15] <czajkowski> :/
[17:16] <czajkowski> also need to get a new sim card so I can use it while not unplugging curren phone from network as need it for calls
[17:16] <czajkowski> may take the Ubuntu phone to NYC for mobile week :D
[17:28] <dpm> thanks popey, we mentioned the updates at the Q&A
[17:57] <PabloRubianes> mhall119: have a minute for a PM?
[17:59] <mhall119> PabloRubianes: you can PM  me any time, no need to ask :)


[05:56] <dilinger> did fabbione ever package git/
[05:56] <dilinger> ?
[06:18] <fabbione> morning
[06:18] <fabbione> dilinger: no i didn't
[06:19] <fabbione> there is a debian dir inside already, but did never check if it works
[06:19] <fabbione> apparently upstream is a debian fun
[06:19] <fabbione> fan
[06:25] <dilinger> the voices in my head are telling me i should hijack it in debian
[06:25] <dilinger> (and by the voices in my head, i mean #d-d)
[06:27] <fabbione> actually iirc there is a already a package that ships a /usr/bin/git
[06:27] <fabbione> that's annoying
[06:27] <dilinger> there is
[06:27] <dilinger> and it's dead upstream and should be removed :)
[06:28] <dilinger> the cogito maintainer claims he's working w/ them to get it renamed, but.. who cares about it?
[06:29] <Yagisan> dilinger: somewhere, someone will say - aghh you broke my gnu interactive tools
[06:30] <fabbione> just conflict with it :)
[06:30] <dilinger> yea, that's what people have been telling the cogito maintainer to do
[06:30] <dilinger> i dunno why he's not
[06:30] <Yagisan> that said, I would much rather see cogito and git packaged hint hint (I mean, is gnu interactive tools even listed in popcon ??)
[06:32] <fabbione> dilinger: i might get them for today
[06:33] <fabbione> first i need to get dapper on my machine :)
[08:01] <mdz> I don't know that I want to upgrade to dapper the day it opened immediately before leaving the country ;-)
[08:01] <fabbione> BenC: i am getting access to the OCFS2 git repo
[08:01] <fabbione> mdz: eheh it's only on my workstation here at home
[08:01] <fabbione> lappy is still breezy
[08:01] <mdz> I keep my mail on my workstation
[08:01] <fabbione> BenC: so i might revert the commited patch and pull from them
[08:02] <fabbione> well i use imap
[08:02] <fabbione> so i don't really care
[08:02] <fabbione> the server is only breezy
[08:02] <fabbione> and it won't update for a while
[10:21] <svenl> hi all.
[10:21] <svenl> well, about the hotplug patch, it just got included in the -mm tree, so you can grab it from there :
[10:21] <svenl>      mv643xx_eth_pcidev-implements-hotplug-for-the-marvell-gige-functionality-by-probing-the-northbridge-pci-id.patch
[10:21] <svenl> and the printk was :
[10:21] <svenl> =
[10:22] <svenl> err.
[10:22] <svenl>      mv643xx_eth_showsram-added-information.patch
[03:04] <zul> fabbione: ping
[03:49] <fabbione> zul: pong
[04:50] <zul> wanted to know when you leave but i saw on -devel
[04:53] <fabbione> jbailey: ping???
[04:53] <fabbione> let's try to organize this thing somehow
[05:07] <jbailey> fabbione: thing?
[05:07] <jbailey> Sorry was in the other window trying to figure out if I should offer a support contract to someone who wants their wireless fixed.
[05:07] <jbailey> I need to learn something about ndiswrapper, I guess.
[05:08] <jbailey> *sigh*
[05:08] <jbailey> Should I update lkh to 2.6.14-rc5? or wait until release?
[05:08] <fabbione> jbailey: can you and zul try to find a way to communicate if my mobile phone doesn't work there?
[05:09] <fabbione> jbailey: i will find a way to contact you
[05:09] <jbailey> zul: Contact me when, at the conference?
[05:09] <fabbione> i assume we will have network from the day after
[05:09] <fabbione> = 27
[05:09] <fabbione> = 27th
[05:09] <fabbione> but i want to spend my time out :)
[05:10] <jbailey> My phonoe number here is<PHONE_NUMBER>
[05:10] <jbailey> (+1  for international calls)
[05:10] <jbailey> I might go get a cellphone this week.
[05:10] <fabbione> ok
[05:11] <fabbione> jbailey: is it on the wiki?
[05:11] <jbailey> Should be
[05:11] <fabbione> ok
[05:11] <jbailey> But ah well.
[05:11] <jbailey> Hmm
[05:12] <fabbione> ok
[05:12] <fabbione> i registered it
[05:12] <fabbione> i will try to call you tomorrow when i am there
[05:13] <fabbione> now i am really really really off to pack my bag
[05:15] <jbailey> you arrive tomorrow?
[05:15] <jbailey> fabbione: Are you coming to visit? =)
[05:21] <fabbione> jbailey: possibly
[05:22] <fabbione> let's talk about it later
[05:23] <mkrufky> hey, i have a request
[05:23] <mkrufky> how come the ubuntu kernel package doesnt do this:
[05:24] <mkrufky>  /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build should be a sym-link to /usr/src/{KERNEL SOURCE}
[05:24] <mjg59> They are
[05:24] <mkrufky> hmmmm......
[05:24] <mjg59> Install the appropriate kernel headers package
[05:24] <mkrufky> doesnt happen on my 2.6.10 installation
[05:25] <mkrufky> ok that makes sense.... i went straight for the full source
[05:25] <mkrufky> ah, but using kernel headers without the full source leads to the missing dvb headers problem
[05:25] <mjg59> /lib/modules/2.6.10-3-686/build is in linux-headers-2.6.10-3-686, for instance
[05:25] <mjg59> Right. That's a separate bug.
[05:25] <mkrufky> not a bug
[05:25] <mjg59> The linux-headers package should have everything you need in order to build an external module
[05:26] <mkrufky> except for dvb headers
[05:26] <mjg59> Or the module should be more self-contained
[05:26] <mjg59> Which bit of this isn't a bug?
[05:26] <mkrufky> well, you can look at it in a variety of ways
[05:26] <mkrufky> dvb headers SHOULD be moved into include/media/dvb
[05:27] <mkrufky> it is on the table, but dvb maintainer has his reasons for waiting on it
[05:27] <mjg59> Yeah. That sounds like the bug.
[05:28] <mkrufky> blah
[05:28] <mkrufky> you are correct
[05:28] <mkrufky> :-(
[05:28] <mkrufky> i'll have to get on Johannes' case about it
[05:51] <dilinger> fabbione: http://bugs.debian.org/322495
[07:33] <zul> sorry was in meetings
[07:34] <zul> fabbione: i gave you my cell phone number\
[07:55] <fabbione> zul: ok
[07:55] <fabbione> i hope mine will work
[07:55] <fabbione> please give to jbailey too
[10:45] <jbailey> BenC: There?
[10:47] <BenC> yeah
[10:47] <BenC> sweet, my new laptop has a bcm wireless I can use to test the new driver
[10:49] <jbailey> BenC: Do you hink it's okay to update lkh now, or should I wait until the new kernel is uploaded?
[10:51] <mkrufky> BenC: my request for kernel.org account to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>bounced back ... u sure that's the correct address?
[10:52] <mkrufky> bcm wireless required ndiswrapper..... are you packaging that with ubuntu kernel??


 The installer was unable to configure network-manager because there had been a manual change to some file (/etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/01ifupdown) which was irrelevant but it caused the installer (dpkg --configure -a, given by apt-get install -f network-manager) to prompt for an answer.
[06:24] <xennex81> apparently the installer (that was launched from muon-updater) cannot handle prompts, but the "Show Terminal" button was unresponsive.
[06:24] <valorie> xennex81: usually one just does `apt-get install -f` with no arguments
[06:24] <xennex81> I see but it had the same effect I believe :p
[06:24] <valorie> or these days, apt install -f
[06:24] <xennex81> in any case it told me to go fix it with that other command :P
[06:25] <xennex81> oh
[06:25] <xennex81> :)
[06:25] <valorie> there has been a recent change in network-manager, at least at the lib level
[06:25] <valorie> I've seen updates for maybe 3 days in a row
[06:27] <valorie> none right now though
[06:27] <valorie> xennex81: do you have any PPAs added?
[06:28] <xennex81> no I have already shown my sources.list to Lordievader yesterday, but that was not the issue I believe
[06:28] <xennex81> I just had done some manual changes, it prompted me also for 2 other things.
[06:31] <valorie> what manual changes?
[06:31] <valorie> and remind me -- you are upgrading from 14.10 to vivid beta?
[06:46] <xennex81> the change to network-manager was merely an insignificant change to ifupdown, the chaining script to /etc/init.d/if-up.d/ or none at all. I don't know even, I don't remember editing it for a change.
[06:46] <xennex81> but I did not check for the changes, I was a bit too hasty for that just now.
[06:52] <valorie> ok, you probably need the experts such as yofel to appear online
[06:52] <valorie> or maybe lordievader
[06:57] <xennex81> not necessary
[06:57] <xennex81> it's not for me, for them
[06:57] <xennex81> i'm just wanting to report a bug but the report tool doesn't work :P.
[07:02] <valorie> for a launchpad bug, try `ubuntu-bug packagename` in the cli
[07:02] <valorie> most excellent way to file a bug
[08:00] <xennex81> valorie: it fails
[08:01] <xennex81> but I've filed a bug report about ubuntu-bug failing to file a bug report, if that's what you need to know
[08:03] <xennex81> going to reboot now and see if I still have a sytem ;-).
[09:20] <ovidiu-florin> Mornin'
[09:21] <Riddell> hi ovidiu-florin
[09:25] <ovidiu-florin> hello Riddell
[09:26] <oliviert> Good morning.
[09:26] <yofel> *yawn* moin
[09:31]  * ovidiu-florin just woke up and he's thirsty as a desert, and with eyes still red as gems
[09:45] <Riddell> late night out last night people?
[09:47] <ovidiu-florin> I tried to relax a bit, and loosen up
[09:48] <ovidiu-florin> very stressfull week , this week was...
[09:55]  * Riddell gives ovidiu-florin a massage
[09:55] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: thanks
[09:56] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I couldn't get a hold of doko
[10:01] <soee> what was the command to do upgrade to vivid ? look @ #kubuntu
[10:01] <soee> Riddell: ^
[10:04] <ovidiu-florin> soee: mornin'
[10:05] <soee> good morning ovidiu-florin
[10:06] <Riddell> soee: kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade
[10:06] <soee> Riddell: thanks, he will do fresh install
[10:07] <soee> as there are not any data he wants to save, so i think fresh one is much better for vivid than jumping from 14.04 ?
[10:07] <Riddell> you can't jump from 14.04 indeed
[10:15] <yofel> hm, should still theoretically be possible, even if currently unsupported (after all you eventually have to be able to upgrade to 16.04 from 14.04)
[10:15] <yofel> but it's at least completely untested
[10:57] <ovidiu-florin> do you gyus also see the header image moved to the left?? http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/
[10:59] <ovidiu-florin> soee: ^
[10:59] <soee> ovidiu-florin: yes, due to added img-responsive class, that gives the mage display: block;
[11:00] <ovidiu-florin> soee: so remvoe that class?
[11:01] <soee> ovidiu-florin: sure ,but i dont now what you want to do with the header image and how it iwl work in the end
[11:01] <ovidiu-florin> soee: you told me yesterday to leave it, when I asked you
[11:01] <ovidiu-florin> now you say to remove it
[11:01] <ovidiu-florin> so....
[11:02] <soee> ovidiu-florin: i tole to leave it in styles file, so it an be used in other placed than header image
[11:02] <soee> *told
[11:11] <soee> ovidiu-florin: did yu get image that ahoneybun gave you yesterday ?
[11:11] <ovidiu-florin> yes
[11:11] <ovidiu-florin> I'll add it in a few moments
[11:11] <soee> nice
[11:26] <ahoneybun> back
[11:26] <ahoneybun> thanks soee
[11:31] <ovidiu-florin> soee: I have to leave now, can you please add a bug report for the image that ahoneybun made?
[11:31]  * ovidiu-florin is out
[11:34] <soee> ovidiu-florin: done https://github.com/ovidiub13/KubuntuAdverticaLightChild/issues/3
[11:36] <ahoneybun> soee: does it not work?
[11:36] <soee> ahoneybun: what ?
[11:36] <ahoneybun> why is there a bug report against it?
[11:36] <soee> ahoneybun: its a TASK :)
[11:36] <soee> do something that has to be done
[11:37] <soee> *so
[11:37] <ahoneybun> trello?
[11:37] <soee> well as the page is now on github, i prefer to put there things to be done
[11:37] <soee> as we have all in one place - files and thigns to be done
[11:37] <ahoneybun> true
[11:38] <soee> so i have reported this so far https://github.com/ovidiub13/KubuntuAdverticaLightChild/issues
[11:38] <ahoneybun> cool
[11:38] <soee> and we can close each issue via commit message :)
[11:39]  * ahoneybun thinks OxygenOS for his OPO is just stock Lollipop
[12:21] <seaLne> has anyone seen vivid not starting with errors like "kworker/0:0:4 blocked for more than 120 seconds" also alternatly complains about plymothd?
[12:22] <seaLne> this was after updating today and rebooting, though the laptop hadn't been rebooted in a few days
[12:24] <soee> didnt try after todays updates :)
[12:24] <soee> there was kernel update i think
[12:24] <soee> and upstart
[12:24] <seaLne> yeah
[12:24] <soee> but we are using systemd
[12:24] <seaLne> i remember noticing that
[14:15] <ovidiu-florin> I'm back
[14:18] <ovidiu-florin> soee: in https://trello.com/c/LKijjLlb/10-general-todo there's an attachment
[14:18] <kubotu> [Kubuntu Promotion :: Doing :: General ToDo ++ OB, AH, PA, SI, JAR, CS, P]
[14:18] <ovidiu-florin> is there something there that I've missed?
[14:23] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: ping
[14:27] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: can you make that featured image 450px height?
[14:28] <ahoneybun> ok ovidiu-florin
[14:29] <ahoneybun> width is ok then?
[14:29] <ovidiu-florin> yes
[14:30] <ahoneybun> ok I made it 500px just in case
[14:30] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: http://imgur.com/edLu8gu
[14:32] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/community/
[14:32] <ovidiu-florin> thank you
[14:32] <ovidiu-florin> soee: ^^
[14:32] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: ^^^
[14:33] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: I'd still like to add pictures to the team page
[14:33] <ovidiu-florin> will you do this or shall I move https://trello.com/c/tRz6Z0l7/22-create-a-team-page in To Do?
[14:33] <ahoneybun> sweet ovidiu-florin
[14:33] <kubotu> [Kubuntu Promotion :: Doing :: Create a Team page ++ AH]
[14:34] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: pictures of the people?
[14:34] <ovidiu-florin> yes
[14:34] <ahoneybun> Riddell: valorie ovidiu-florin have any good profile pictures for the team page?
[14:45] <sgclark> ovidiu-florin: ahoneybun think our facebook page has a group photo of us @ akademy last year
[14:45] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/the-kubuntu-team/
[14:47] <ahoneybun> sgclark: I don't see a fb page
[14:47] <ahoneybun> just one made from wikipedia
[14:47] <soee> ovidiu-florin: http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/feature-tour/ i would rmeove this blue background here and wont make it as a quote
[14:47] <soee> i would use headers and some horizontal lines to separate items and give them more space
[14:49] <sgclark> oh you want individual pics O.o but then I cannot hide in the back!
[14:49] <ahoneybun> XD
[14:49] <ahoneybun> well thats the only good pic I have
[14:55] <soee> ovidiu-florin: try changing: h1.title {font-size: 30px;}
[14:55] <soee> so the page title text will be smaller
[14:55] <soee> atm it it to invasive
[14:57] <soee> ovidiu-florin: what about header image on frontpage ?
[15:00] <soee> ovidiu-florin: http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/feature-tour/ images should not be placed inside h2 tags
[15:02] <ovidiu-florin> soee: https://trello.com/c/kFZRWNK6/7-update-kubuntu-feature-page
[15:02] <kubotu> [Kubuntu Promotion :: To Do :: update Kubuntu Feature Page ++ OB, AH]
[15:05] <soee> ovidiu-florin: on home page i would suggets doing something similiar with header image: http://totaltheme.wpengine.com/base/home/homepage-3/
[15:05] <soee> so plasma wallpaer as a backround on it some nice smaller pic (kubuntu logo, or plasma5) and some short text -  slogan
[15:06] <xennex81> reporting a bug is pretty daunting if you have to download a 60 meg debugging symbols file!
[15:06] <ovidiu-florin> soee: please write these down
[15:07] <ovidiu-florin> It takes lokger to do them
[15:07] <soee> xennex81: yes but the bug report is more complete
[15:07] <ovidiu-florin> soee:  make a trello card for them
[15:07] <soee> and devs might easier locate the,
[15:08] <ovidiu-florin> 30px for h1 is far too small
[15:09] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: can you give me the 2 greys that the Breeze theme uses? (titlebar and widgets, dark and light) in hex?
[15:10] <xennex81> It also keeps saying that I am to install a new version of Kubuntu when I have already done that upgrade ;-). Because the installer failed, but it was completed anyway. So not sure how to fix that, how to get rid of that notification. I'll ask in Ubuntu+1 though. Thanks for listening anyway. You're good people. ;-D.
[15:12] <soee> mparillo: worth putting on social media http://www.ocsmag.com/2015/04/03/krunner-the-birth-of-a-cyborg/
[15:14] <xennex81> Never mind, this is too much of a hassle
[15:14] <xennex81> I also have to create an account, etc. etc.
[15:15] <xennex81> Took me 10 minutes already to get the required packages.
[15:15] <xennex81> And install them, because it didn't install all of them at once ;-).
[15:15] <xennex81> Anyway, cya.
[15:18] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: hex?
[15:18] <ovidiu-florin> #ffffff is white
[15:19] <ovidiu-florin> #000000 is black
[15:19] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: ^
[15:19] <ahoneybun> oh that
[15:19] <ahoneybun> sure let me see
[15:20] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: f7f7e4 is what the panel is
[15:21] <ahoneybun> 475057 for the titlebar of firefox
[15:21] <ahoneybun> btw I'm using the normal light theme
[15:23] <ahoneybun> light theme: panel f7f7e4 titlebar 47505; dark theme: panel 3e3e3e titlebar 47505 ovidiu-florin
[15:24] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: thank you
[15:24] <ovidiu-florin> will test them in a moment
[15:25] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: np
[15:25] <ahoneybun> soee: that article would be great for the newsletter
[15:26] <ovidiu-florin> what article?
[15:26] <ovidiu-florin> what newsletter?
[15:27] <ahoneybun> ubuntu weekly newsletter
[15:27] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: 6
[15:27] <ahoneybun> ^
[15:27] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: [11:12] <soee> mparillo: worth putting on social media http://www.ocsmag.com/2015/04/03/krunner-the-birth-of-a-cyborg/
[15:31] <ovidiu-florin> nice
[15:31] <ahoneybun> I see you posted it on Plus lol
[15:35] <ovidiu-florin> I liked it
[15:54] <mparillo> soee: ahoneybun: ovidiu-florin I will look at sharing. ovidiu-florin: It is on G+?
[15:54] <ovidiu-florin> mparillo: the article?
[15:54] <ovidiu-florin> the one about KRunner?
[15:54] <ovidiu-florin> I just shared it
[15:56] <mparillo> ovidiu-florin: This (https://plus.google.com/105126786256705328374/posts/P4WwRh5TdMm) was you?
[15:56] <ovidiu-florin> mparillo: no
[17:54] <ovidiu-florin> Quintasan: ping
[19:05] <ari-tczew> debfx, sgclark: could you help in getting Ubuntu delta applied in Debian from package oxygen-gtk3? Referring to yofel's answer to my question, this change should be forwardable. I've filled a bug on BTS, but no idea how to motivate the maintainer. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=781376
[19:07] <sgclark> ari-tczew: afraid my success rate with motivating debian maintainers has been 0 :(
[19:08] <ari-tczew> sgclark: don't give up, otherwise you won't win :)
[19:08] <sgclark> lol
[19:11] <yofel> hm, I could ask, but I doubt there will be much motivation until jessie is out (which supposedly should happen end of the month)
[19:20] <ari-tczew> yofel: no hurry, but would be nice to get that change applied in Debian, could be done in May, as well :)
[19:21] <ari-tczew> btw, great if Debian will be finally released end of the month, vivid+1 will start parallel with open unstable
[19:27] <shadeslayer> jussi: happy birthday!
[19:27] <shadeslayer> kubotu: order birthday package for jussi
[19:27]  * kubotu is running to the corner shop to get a birthday present.
[19:27]  * kubotu slides a birthday cake and a present down the bar to jussi and gives everyone a nice frosty mug of beer.
[19:27] <kubotu> Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday jussi, happy birthday to you!!!! - Wooooho!
[19:27] <kubotu> Happy Birthday jussi :D
[19:27] <kubotu> To your health!
[19:28] <shadeslayer> mmm beer
[19:53] <frecel> ahoneybun: So I was thinking about checking the docs for spelling errors last night.
[19:53] <frecel> ahoneybun: how come there isn't a script that just runs through the docs with a spellcheck?
[20:12] <ahoneybun> that was not a smooth update
[20:13] <ahoneybun> system is unresponive after a period of time
[20:14] <soee_> ?
[20:14] <ahoneybun> yea I don't know what happened with the newest updates
[20:16] <soee_> ahoneybun: works fine for me
[20:17] <ahoneybun> here is my /var/log/apt/term.log http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10739741/
[20:17] <ahoneybun> I have rebooted 2 times and now it seems to be working
[20:18] <soee_> oO
[20:20] <ahoneybun> panel is not working
[20:20] <ahoneybun> can't start krunner
[20:20] <soee_> does not resond ?
[20:20] <soee_> also apps ?
[20:20] <ahoneybun> soon I will not be able to type
[20:20] <ahoneybun> I can't launch anything
[20:20] <ahoneybun> I have to use alt tab to switch apps
[20:20] <soee_> ahoneybun: had the same after i played a bit with sddm and nvidia-prime last day
[20:21] <ahoneybun> clicking does nothing
[20:21] <ahoneybun> I have not
[20:21] <ahoneybun> though that was a update to sddm
[20:21] <soee_> well for me after few seconds desktop completely frezzed
[20:21] <ahoneybun> it is still on intel
[20:21] <sgclark> ahoneybun: try to remove the systray and add back (in widgets) I had a similiar issue where something bugged out.
[20:21] <ahoneybun> soon I will ave to reinstall
[20:21] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer: how will I add it back if I can't right click on the desktop
[20:21] <sgclark> I thought it was my use of ppas that I forgot to disable after testing
[20:22] <ahoneybun> sgclark: ^
[20:22] <soee_> ahoneybun: try what sgclark suggests, for me probem wwas with some file in .config folder
[20:22] <sgclark> well if it is plasmashell that is crashing (was for me) plasmashell & worked
[20:23] <sgclark> for me notifications was busted
[20:23] <soee_> ahoneybun: i removed all and than added tham few after few
[20:23] <sgclark> but removing and adding back made everything happy
[20:23] <soee_> *added from backup
[20:23] <AndChat79476> It froze completely
[20:23] <AndChat79476> I could just move the mouse
[20:23] <AndChat79476> Its ahoneybun btw
[20:24] <soee_> AndChat79476: yeah same was here
[20:24] <soee_> the problem was one of the ./config/plasma* files
[20:24] <AndChat79476> Guess I have to reinstall
[20:24] <soee_> AndChat79476: no, backup ~/.config
[20:24] <soee_> AndChat79476: and remove inside all files that starts with 'plasma'
[20:26] <soee_> AndChat79476: switch tty, remove those files and trystarting x, or reboot first
[20:27] <AndChat79476> Backup, remove, reboot soee_ ?
[20:29] <soee_> AndChat79476: try
[20:29] <AndChat79476> K
[20:34] <AndChat79476> Trying it out soee_ I'll let you know if it fixed it
[20:35] <soee_> well its not a fix just a workaroud :)
[20:35] <AndChat79476> Still
[20:35] <soee_> to get fix we would have to locate that single file that had something broken
[20:36] <AndChat79476> Nope
[20:37] <soee_> ?
[20:37] <AndChat79476> Panel and krunner are not working
[20:37] <soee_> AndChat79476: than second test - remove other files in .config
[20:37] <AndChat79476> As in?
[20:41] <AndChat79476> soee_: ^
[20:47] <soee_> if you have them backedup, yeah
[20:50] <AndChat79476> Now I'm stuck at the loading bar
[20:51] <soee_> oO
[20:51] <ovidiu-florin> soee_: are you around?
[20:52] <ovidiu-florin> soee_: take a look at http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/feature-tour/ I made it full width, so I can have alternate colors for each section, adding those now
[20:53] <soee_> ovidiu-florin: ok
[20:54] <ovidiu-florin> soee_: what's your opinion about aranging the text to align to the width like on the other pages?
[20:55] <soee_> well yes, they should be inside content width area
[20:55] <soee_> ovidiu-florin: also no need separate colors for each imo, you might want to add some bg-color every second setion
[20:56] <soee_> ovidiu-florin: check https://www.apple.com/pl/osx/design/
[20:56] <soee_> simple yet nice
[20:57] <ovidiu-florin> soee_: that's what I said
[20:57] <AndChat79476> soee_: got back in after a reboot
[20:58] <soee_> ovidiu-florin: and look what space is above and under images, we also need make it something similiar :)
[20:58] <soee_> ten whole page will be much readable
[20:58] <soee_> *then
[20:58] <soee_> ovidiu-florin: also images needs somelightbox plugin
[21:12] <soee_> ovidiu-florin: make the first one white bg, than darker, white, darker
[21:12] <valorie> hmmmm, did updates and rebooted today with no problems; actually the last three days
[21:12] <soee_> ovidiu-florin: first one white is important
[21:12] <AndChat79476> I have big problems
[21:13] <ovidiu-florin> soee_: the white is wrong
[21:13] <AndChat79476> Might uninstall nivida-prime
[21:16] <soee_> ovidiu-florin: i would make the gray bg very light
[21:16] <ovidiu-florin> soee_: can I make a selector that applies to .feature_tour_section:nth-of-type(even) and the h2 in it? so I don't make 2 selectors?
[21:16] <ovidiu-florin> soee_: there
[21:17] <ovidiu-florin> now using KDE colors
[21:17] <ovidiu-florin> Breeze colors
[21:17] <soee_> ovidiu-florin: .feature_tour_section:nth-of-type(even) { h2 {..} }
[21:17] <soee_> but i woudl add some class and use it
[21:17] <soee_> so in the future you can chage header type withuot modyfing css
[21:18] <soee_> so to headers i woudl add class like: .section-title {}
[21:18] <ovidiu-florin> If I'll need that, in the future I'll add it
[21:18] <soee_> than .feature_tour_section:nth-of-type(even) { .section-title {..} }
[21:19] <ovidiu-florin> soee_: how can I make the image anchor as big as the image?
[21:19] <soee_> ?
[21:19] <AndChat79476> I'm just going to damn reinstall
[21:22] <soee_> ovidiu-florin: add more top and bottom padding to sections
[21:22] <ovidiu-florin> soee_: how can I make the image anchor as big as the image?
[21:23] <soee_> ovidiu-florin: add to anchor style: display: block;
[21:23] <soee_> by defauly it is inline element
[21:24] <ovidiu-florin> soee_: doesn't work
[21:24] <ovidiu-florin> look at the telepathy screenshot
[21:25] <soee_> ovidiu-florin: works, it covers whole image
[21:25] <ovidiu-florin> it's bigger than the image
[21:25] <soee_> and image has margins defined so anchor goes arund it all
[21:25] <ovidiu-florin> muuuuuuuch biger
[21:26] <soee_> remove margins frome image
[21:26] <ovidiu-florin> ah
[21:26] <ovidiu-florin> yea
[21:27] <soee_> ovidiu-florin: center section titles and texts imo
[21:33] <soee_> ovidiu-florin: imo remove paddings from each section, this makes render them pretty bad on smaller screens and do not align with whole layout
[21:33] <soee_> you should put each section content into <div class="container">  ... </div>
[21:33] <soee_> well to be more precise
[21:34] <soee_> <div class="container"> <div class="row-fluid">  <div class="span12"> HERE SECTION CONTENT </div> </div> </div>
[21:34] <soee_> this way it wil have the same width as layout
[21:36] <ovidiu-florin> will do tomorrow
[21:36] <ovidiu-florin> bed time now
[21:36] <ovidiu-florin> good night
[22:03] <soee_> hihi nice comment http://news.softpedia.com/news/See-What-s-New-in-Ubuntu-15-04-Vivid-Vervet-477395.shtml
[22:22] <valorie> soee_: nice find!