[04:09] <apie> hi hi
[06:28] <superfly> o/
[06:38] <inetpro> good morning superfly, ap[tab] aka kbmonkey, and others
[06:51] <superfly> sup inetpro, morning maiatoday
[06:55] <inetpro> we had a windy night in Pretoria, and quite chilly this morning
[06:55] <superfly> ya, was really cold here this morning too
[07:01] <maiatoday> hiya superfly
[07:02] <maiatoday> The CDs are stuck in customs because there was an invoice on it that said the value was just more than R300. Now I have to try to sort it out. So sorry all for the delay.
[07:06] <superfly> The CDs are slowly becoming redundant, even in SA
[07:08] <inetpro> I think the reason may be that by the time you get the CD there have been so many updates that it's just as well to download the ISO
[07:09] <Kerbero> they should send blank cd's
[07:09] <Kerbero> nicely branded and everything
[07:09] <inetpro> Kerbero: just for advertising?
[07:10] <Kerbero> yes
[07:10] <Kerbero> that is the entire point of the cd's
[07:10] <Kerbero> we give it out to people that don't know[about] ubuntu
[07:10] <inetpro> I wish there was a rolling updated ISO even after the release date
[07:11] <Kerbero> and if it is brnaded and looks official they are much mor elikely to try it
[07:13] <inetpro> Kerbero: perhaps a branded cd size booklet would be a relevant replacement
[07:14] <inetpro> and even something that could be produced locally
[07:14] <superfly> Kerbero: yeah, having printed CDs is really awesome for Ubuntu's image
[07:15] <Kerbero> inetpro: people are just going to have a quick look at the booklet and then throw it away
[07:16] <inetpro> and a blank cd?
[07:16] <Kerbero> we will write the latest image on it before we give it out
[07:16] <Kerbero> or a custom image for let's say stellenbosch campus
[07:17] <inetpro> hmm...
[07:17] <superfly> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing#CD_Distribution_Materials
[07:37] <chigama> hello
[07:42] <superfly> hi
[07:44] <chigama> hw u fly
[07:45] <superfly> I'm fine thanks, and you?
[07:48] <chigama> gud which version of ubuntu u usin
[07:49] <superfly> Kubuntu 12.04
[07:52] <chigama> am tinklin of upgradin from 10.04 to 12.04 but keep ma home partition
[07:55] <superfly> chigama: so you've divided up your hard drive into a root partition and a home partition?
[07:58] <chigama> ya thats wat i did so i preserve ma files and settings...tell hw did u choose between ur desktop environments
[07:59] <superfly> I don't use Ubuntu, I only install Kubuntu
[08:00] <chigama> thats the only DE u use?
[08:00] <superfly> yup
[08:01] <zeref> YaawwN
[08:01] <zeref> herro
[08:03] <chigama> I like KDE its glossy but a bit heavy for ma PC
[08:04] <chigama> wat sre specs for ur machine
[08:09] <superfly> chigama: KDE is just as "heavy" has Gnome/Unity
[08:10] <superfly> chigama: I have a triple-core AMD64 with 4 gigs of RAM, and a dual-core Intel Atom with 2 gigs of RAM
[08:10] <superfly> chigama: You can use proper spelling for your words, this isn't an SMS  message
[08:11] <chigama> sorry
[08:13] <chigama> in my current setup i have gnome and KDE but i regularly use
[08:13] <chigama> Gnome
[08:28] <charlvn> i run kubuntu 12.04 on this old core2duo with 1.5GB ram fwiw
[08:29] <superfly> hey charlvn
[08:30] <superfly> yeah, KDE isn't that heavy... either that or Gnome has gotten worse ;-)
[08:32] <charlvn> yeah exactly
[08:32] <charlvn> kde has gotten better and gnome has gotten much worse
[08:33] <charlvn> or, i don't know if kde has gotten better but gnome has surely gotten much worse in the meantime
[08:33] <inetpro> KDE has been very efficient for many years now
[08:33] <inetpro> even if you see it using a lot of RAM doesn't mean that it needs all of it
[08:41] <charlvn> yeah but our hardware has also gotten faster ;)
[08:42] <charlvn> although i'm still tempted to agree that kde has improved
[08:42] <charlvn> at least in terms of stability, it definitely has
[08:42] <charlvn> but quite honeslty, i don't have any actual performance benchmarks to base that on
[10:08] <inetpro> hmm....
[10:09]  * inetpro wonders how long we will be without power in Pretoria
[10:09] <inetpro> been an hour now
[10:17] <hamslaai> For those who missed the Roelof Botha presentation it is available here: http://scholar.sun.ac.za/handle/10019.1/20907
[10:24] <inetpro> wb morgs
[10:25]  * morgs waves
[10:32] <kbmonkey> mornin
[10:53] <zeref> huurrmmm
[11:00] <superfly> hiya morgs, kbmonkey, zeref and psydroid
[11:04] <zeref> herro superfly
[11:05] <kbmonkey> hi superfly
[11:23] <charlvn> hi all
[11:27] <charlvn> hamslaai: thanks i'll watch it, sounds interesting...
[12:44] <psydroid> hi superfly charlvn kbmonkey zeref
[13:11] <charlvn> hi psydroid
[13:28] <superfly> hey charlvn, what did you think of that blog post about Python 3?
[13:58] <charlvn> superfly: it was a long post but i scanned through most of it
[13:58] <charlvn> some very interesting points made
[13:59] <charlvn> i can get why there is some unhappiness, i think python 3 tried to be progressive and failed
[13:59] <charlvn> that doesn't mean to say it is bad and unusable for everyone though
[13:59] <charlvn> i mostly use python for small things these days, when it comes to larger systems i build them on java
[14:00] <charlvn> but java has its own set of problems to bitch about
[14:00] <charlvn> for one thing, the api is really poorly designed, although apache commons helps to ease the pain
[14:01] <charlvn> frankly, there is not one single programming platform out there right now that i am 100% happy with
[14:01] <charlvn> but you can't have it all
[14:21] <inetpro> superfly, charlvn: they said at UDS-Q it is a release goal to have only Python 3 on the desktop CD image for 12.10
[14:26] <inetpro> you may want to check this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Python/FoundationsQPythonVersions
[14:29] <charlvn> i don't know about that - i'm running Python 2.7.3 on ubuntu 12.04 and i haven't specifically gone and installed any python packages
[14:30] <charlvn> oh wait sorry i see you're talking about 12.10, the next version
[14:31] <charlvn> very interesting, i see there's a link to http://python3wos.appspot.com/ as well on that page, haven't checked that in a while
[14:33] <charlvn> heh there's a _lot_ of red on that page
[15:25] <tumbleweed> inetpro: I'm not convinced that we can make it, it's pretty ambitious. but it is something we've been planning for a few releases
[17:59] <inetpro> tumbleweed: cool
[18:32] <magespawn> Evening all
[18:33] <highvoltage> hey magespawn!
[18:36] <magespawn> Whats up?
[18:38] <highvoltage> working and stuff
[18:39] <magespawn> That seems fairly normal.
[19:02] <superfly> heya highvoltage!
[19:30] <highvoltage> hello superfly
[19:31] <superfly> highvoltage: things still going well with you?
[19:31] <highvoltage> yep, how are you doing?
[19:32] <superfly> highvoltage: well thanks
[19:32] <superfly> moved out of web development into firmware development... a welcome change!
[19:33] <highvoltage> nice.


[05:07] <wasabi> Hey.
[05:07] <wasabi> Everybody that's left:
[05:07] <wasabi> http://directory.apache.org/ldapstudio/
[05:07] <wasabi> http://directory.apache.org/
[05:07] <wasabi> Another good set of LDAP server.
[05:07] <wasabi> And a nice LDAP client.
[05:07] <wasabi> Written in Java, based on the Eclipse framework.
[05:09] <ajmitch> yep, saw that discussion in #mono
[05:10] <ajmitch> still working on FDS stuff here
[05:10] <wasabi> yeah, that random discussion tipped me to that.
[05:12] <ajmitch> there's a debian package (binary-only from what I see) for the server
[05:12] <wasabi> odd
[05:12] <ajmitch> at least for 1.0, not for 1.0.1
[05:13] <wasabi> trying to get the client to connect.... mostly my slapd broke ages ago.
[05:13] <wasabi> And I've cared so little I haven't fixed it.
[05:13] <wasabi> *sigh*
[05:13] <wasabi> yay for cached creds heh
[05:13] <wasabi> i never even noticed
[05:13] <ajmitch> they must cache for awhile
[05:13] <wasabi> Forever.
[05:14] <wasabi> bah. not of the state of mind to fix this right now. too drunk.


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[04:23] <mup> PR snapd#12087 opened: Rework of #11096 to vendor apparmor into the snapd snap <Created by alexmurray> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12087>
[04:27] <mup> Bug #1931873 changed: Failed kernel/core update/rollback creates issues for future update <Snappy:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1931873>
[04:28] <mup> PR snapd#11096 closed: many: Vendor apparmor-3.0.3 into the snapd snap (take 2) <Needs Samuele review> <Run nested> <Created by alexmurray> <Closed by alexmurray> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11096>
[04:30] <mup> Bug #1931873 opened: Failed kernel/core update/rollback creates issues for future update <Snappy:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1931873>
[04:45] <mup> Bug #1931873 changed: Failed kernel/core update/rollback creates issues for future update <Snappy:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1931873>
[07:24] <mup> PR snapd#12088 opened: many: Set SNAPD_APPARMOR_REEXEC=1 <Created by alexmurray> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12088>
[07:44] <mup> PR snapd#11940 closed: overlord: support for --quota-group option on snap install <⛔ Blocked> <Needs Samuele review> <quota> <Created by Meulengracht> <Closed by Meulengracht> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11940>
[07:44] <mup> PR snapd#12089 opened: overlord: frontend for --quota-group support (2/2) <quota> <Created by Meulengracht> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12089>
[09:34] <mup> PR snapd#11974 closed: snap-bootstrap: changes to be able to boot classic rootfs <Needs Samuele review> <Run nested> <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <Closed by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11974>
[10:55] <mup> PR snapd#10267 closed: snap-bootstrap: add CVM mode <Needs Samuele review> <Run nested> <Created by xnox> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10267>
[11:54] <mup> PR snapcraft#3892 closed: store: support close for an on prem store <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3892>
[12:20] <mup> PR snapd#12090 opened: tests: improve and standardize debug section on tests <Run nested> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12090>
[12:25] <mup> PR snapd#12070 closed: asserts,cmd/snap-repair: drop not pursued AuthorityDelegation/signatory-id <snap-revision-delegation> <Created by pedronis> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12070>
[13:15] <mup> PR snapd#12066 closed: overlord: --quota-group support (1/2) <Needs Samuele review> <quota> <Created by Meulengracht> <Merged by Meulengracht> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12066>
[13:44] <mup> PR snapcraft#3893 opened: config: add snap config model <Created by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3893>
[14:01] <mup> PR snapd#12091 opened: tests/connected-after-reboot-revert: run also on UC16 <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12091>
[16:26] <mup> PR snapd#12086 closed: tests: fix debug section for test uc20-create-partitions <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12086>
[20:44] <mup> PR snapcraft#3894 opened: Merge 7.1.3 release <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3894>
[20:49] <mup> PR snapcraft#3891 closed: cli: disable log filename report in managed hosts <Created by cmatsuoka> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3891>
[20:49] <mup> PR snapcraft#3895 opened: parts: allow debug shell after the lifecycle <Created by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3895>
[22:19] <mup> PR snapcraft#3896 opened: requirements: update craft-providers to 1.4.1 <Created by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3896>


[00:20] <bcurtiswx> nvm.. i somehow ended up on really old revisions
[00:23] <imachine> sup, any news on when will the nvidia driver update?
[00:23] <imachine> it's not being difficult, but it brings slight issues, and I hear the new version fixes some of them.
[00:24] <imachine> also, improves performance greatly. in 2d at least - or so a friend of mine mentioned, he's using a quadro mobile.
[00:24] <imachine> or whatever they put into the thinkpad laptops.
[00:35] <BUGabundo> YoBoY: don't forget to mark as incomplete
[00:36] <BUGabundo> so other QA users can close it latter if now new input
[01:36] <stpere> hi
[01:55] <Hew> hi stpere
[02:01] <bcurtiswx> anyone know the main package for qt?
[02:04] <rww> https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-panel/+bug/343006 should be set to importance:wishlist, right? since I can't do that, do I just leave it along and let someone else deal with it?
[02:05] <dtchen> rww: set.
[02:05] <bcurtiswx> dang chen... your fast
[02:05] <rww> dtchen: thanks :). what should the status be? new? confirmed?
[02:12] <hggdh> rww, confirmed, and to triaged after opening an upstream task
[02:18] <bcurtiswx> hggdh: for bug #342633 which deals with notify-osd, what can a triager do other than the uname -a and apt-cache policy and steps to reproduce?
[02:22] <bcurtiswx> im not sure if its close enough to other bugs to dup it either
[03:03] <hggdh> let me see
[03:07] <hggdh> bcurtiswx, if you can reproduce it, then all is good; otherwise, we need to ask the reporter to really specify the steps. I personaly am not even sure of what notify-osd does
[08:28] <YoBoY> good morning
[10:57] <rww> https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-games/+bug/342958 can be set to triaged/wishlist. Thanks :)
[13:47] <sectech> bug 313439 was flagged as high by a triager over-riding my "wishlist" that I had marked it as, can someone review the bug and it's comments and provide feedback please
[15:41] <mcnicholls> hi
[15:41] <mcnicholls> would this be the channel to get some help with submitting a patch for a bug?
[15:44] <jpds> Yes, hi. :)
[15:46] <mcnicholls> hey
[15:46] <mcnicholls> i am new to this, but would like to help and a certain bug is driving me and a lot of other people mad ;-)
[15:46] <mcnicholls> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tsclient/+bug/270374
[15:46] <mcnicholls> oooo thats nice
[15:47] <mcnicholls> anyway there has been a simple source patch posted which has been suggested upstream, but it doesn't look like it gets released often, so my question is:
[15:47] <mcnicholls> can i submit a debdiff for that patch for inclusion in jaunty until  it is fixed upstream?
[16:34] <vocx> Ubuntu 8.10, I have the Disk Mounter applet in my top panel. I have an Audio disk mounted. If I click on it and select Play CD the "Disk Mounter" applet quits and I can choose to reload it. Anybody can try this on their system?
[16:35] <vocx> I believe the applets are just a bunch of *.so files, so the bug may be with the applet itself and not "gnome-panel" as a whole.
[16:38] <MrKanister> Is anyone able to run "System -> Administration -> System Testing" under Jaunty?
[16:39] <vocx> MrKanister, what does it do? Is that a new thing?
[16:39] <MrKanister> I suspect it can not be run because of python 2.6...is gives a deprecation warning about the md5 module
[16:41] <vocx> MrKanister, I never test the development releases, but I did hear they were going to migrate to python 2.6, so how is it going? Still a lot of broken packages?
[16:42] <MrKanister> vocx: I am not that much into the migration of python, but it seems like many packages were already succesfully migrated
[16:42] <MrKanister> vocx: I found the bug report about the "System Testing " bug... bug #335773
[16:45] <vocx> MrKanister, about the last comment in that bug, it appears that /usr/bin/checkbox-gtk is not a python script, so it cannot be run with python directly. It's probably a shell script that calls python though.
[16:45] <MrKanister> vocx: yep, it's a shell script, but running "python2.5 /usr/share/checkbox/run /usr/share/checkbox/configs/checkbox-gtk.ini
[16:45] <MrKanister> " also gives an error
[16:48] <vocx> By the way, a few weeks ago I was trying to figure out why nautilus took so much time to load directories with several files, it is due to Assistive Technologies "at-spi". If anyone is interested, you can check bug #159042
[16:51] <vocx> Can anyone confirm that bug for Jaunty? Perhaps the simple solution would be to turn Assitive Tecnhologies by default while the real problem remains to be worked out by the gnome people.
[17:00] <MrKanister> vocx: I tested it on Jaunty (the nautilus thing) and I can confirm it. I also left a comment
[17:01] <vocx> MrKanister, did you read my post? Activate Assitive Technologies, check top for "at-spi-registryd" and all of that?
[17:03] <MrKanister> I haven't obtained a backtrace or similar...I just tried opening /usr/lib/ once with AT activated and once without it. And there is a huge difference
[17:03] <vocx> okay,
[17:08] <nhandler> bdmurray: ping
[17:08] <bdmurray> nhandler: hi
[17:09] <nhandler> bdmurray: I think something is wrong with the Greasemonkey script that shows the activity log in the comments area of a bug report.
[17:09] <nhandler> bdmurray: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k9copy/+bug/339688
[17:10] <nhandler> bdmurray: I'm seeing stuff like "</a changed on 2009-03-14:" which is a broked link to kitterman's profile
[17:11] <bdmurray> nhandler: there's a launchpad greasemonkey scripts project - could you report a bug about it?
[17:15] <nhandler> bdmurray: Ok, I just wanted to try and see if it was actually a bug in the script or just for me.
[17:15] <bdmurray> nhandler: oh, I've recreated it
[17:15] <nhandler> I'll file a bug about it in a little bit
[17:15] <nhandler> Depending on how much time I have, I might also look into patching it
[17:16] <bdmurray> nhandler: great, I'll try and look at it this week then
[17:20] <nhandler> bdmurray: the karma script is also messed up. It shows the information *before* the name in the Assigned To column. I'll file a report about this too
[18:20] <bcurtiswx> anyone available here running jaunty?
[18:20] <bcurtiswx> dtchen: are you available?
[18:23] <vocx> minutes ago there were guys here talking, but I currently don't run jaunty
[18:25] <bcurtiswx> there could be a really nasty pulse audio or ALSA bug , i just want another confirmation before marking it as high importance
[18:26] <bcurtiswx> BUGabundo: do you run jaunty ?
[18:26] <BUGabundo> bcurtiswx: but of course
[18:26] <BUGabundo> nothing other then the latest, cutting edgy, and buggier of any software
[18:26] <bcurtiswx> BUGabundo: can you go into syslog and see if you get a mass write or errors
[18:26] <BUGabundo> but why?
[18:27] <bcurtiswx> for pulseaudio
[18:27] <BUGabundo> audio related?
[18:27] <BUGabundo> dan fixed that Yesterday
[18:27] <BUGabundo> bcurtiswx: works for you?
[18:28] <bcurtiswx> i get the error
[18:28] <bcurtiswx> but its diff than the bugs dtchens working on
[18:28] <BUGabundo> ahh
[18:28] <BUGabundo> bets me
[18:29] <BUGabundo> you need to ask dtchen then
[18:29] <bcurtiswx> bug #343254
[18:29] <BUGabundo> you can see my syslog from yesterday live image at 343258
[18:29] <BUGabundo> bug 343258
[18:31] <bcurtiswx> hmm
[18:31] <charlie-tca> I got about 1 million lines of error from that bug!
[18:32] <bcurtiswx> charlie-tca: the one I posted?
[18:32] <bcurtiswx> dtchen: ping
[18:32] <charlie-tca> let me look again. It just started today for me
[18:33] <bcurtiswx> well my sound buzzes on occasion, but i would have no idea if the two are related
[18:33] <charlie-tca> no, the ones he committed the fix to
[18:34] <bcurtiswx> do you get ones like bug 343254
[18:34] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: if it started today
[18:34] <BUGabundo> then its new
[18:34] <BUGabundo> probably related to dtchen changes/fix
[18:34] <charlie-tca> sorry, that would be about the same. I get it at startup, though, since I don't suspend
[18:35] <charlie-tca> same damn message, my user.log is 341mb
[18:35] <bcurtiswx> danggg
[18:35] <charlie-tca> hm, if 41mb is 1 million lines, what is 341mb?
[18:36] <charlie-tca> 6454 lines per second
[18:36] <bcurtiswx> do you think the bug i posted is different enough to not be a dup?
[18:36] <charlie-tca> looks to me like the same one, but I am batting -1500 on dups this weekend
[18:37] <charlie-tca> I can't seem to get duplicates right for nothing
[18:37] <BUGabundo> per second??????
[18:37]  * BUGabundo thinks of deleting the log
[18:37] <charlie-tca> 10:20:28 until 10:20:29 gives 6454 lines
[18:38]  * bcurtiswx was contemplating the samr thing
[18:38] <BUGabundo> 214MiBs
[18:38] <BUGabundo> I wonder how long until it pastesbins over 3G.... eheh
[18:39] <charlie-tca> first boot gave me 41MB of log. I decided to try again and got 341MB. I don't think I want to try again
[18:39] <bcurtiswx> hahaha
[18:39] <bcurtiswx> im gonna make the bug i posted like its not a dup and talk to dtchen next time he plops back on
[18:39] <charlie-tca> and dtchen is hiding? he just went away
[18:40] <BUGabundo> timeout
[18:40] <BUGabundo> those too are having lots of trouble on their connection
[18:43] <charlie-tca> There appears to be 4 of these bugs now. bug 320875
[18:43] <charlie-tca> is the one I saw first. Hopefully, that fix will hit fast
[18:44] <bcurtiswx> dtchen: you there?
[18:46] <BUGabundo> doesn't seem so
[18:46] <BUGabundo> where is maco ?
[18:46] <BUGabundo> ill ping them on identica
[18:46] <bcurtiswx> idk, im in their LOCO but noones on the channel either
[18:51] <BUGabundo> http://identi.ca/notice/2804155
[18:51] <BUGabundo> just pinged them
[18:51] <BUGabundo> lets wait and see
[18:51] <BUGabundo> we could go to #pulseaudio too
[18:51] <BUGabundo> but they would just bash us out
[18:51] <BUGabundo> isn't themuso around either?
[18:51] <BUGabundo> hey maco
[18:51] <BUGabundo> welcome
[18:52] <BUGabundo> sorry for the extra noise and nagging
[18:52] <bcurtiswx> hey maco, the bf around?
[18:52] <maco> not in the room
[18:52] <maco> today is homework day, so i dont think he's coming over
[18:53] <maco> i expect he'll be online anyway
[18:53] <bcurtiswx> bug #343254, i wasnt sure if it was like bugs he fixed yesterday
[18:53] <BUGabundo> bf?
[18:53] <maco> ugh
[18:53] <BUGabundo> I thought you guys just shared the room
[18:53] <maco> bcurtiswx: shhh
[18:53] <BUGabundo> the secret is out now
[18:53]  * BUGabundo ducks
[18:53] <bcurtiswx> maco: didn't know it was on the down low... sorry.. can you forgive me?
[18:54] <maco> hahayeah
[18:54] <maco> its just not something we say in logged channels
[18:55] <BUGabundo> or private IM either it seems
[18:55] <maco> BUGabundo: not like im required to tell you who i'm seeing
[18:55] <BUGabundo> dtchen: just log on on identica
[18:55] <bcurtiswx> maco: you can beat me up at the next DC-Team meeting
[18:55] <BUGabundo> I know maco....
[18:55] <BUGabundo> just kidding around
[18:55] <maco> anyway....
[18:56] <maco> im going to head back to the safety of #linuxchix now...
[18:56] <BUGabundo> since when we fist talked privately you denied
[18:56] <BUGabundo> just that... nothing else.. don't go make a fuss about it
[18:56] <maco> i think that was back when we were just friends :P
[18:56] <maco> but jeez can the topic of my love-life be dropped?
[18:56] <greg-g> offtopic! ;)
[18:57] <maco> very off topic for this channel!
[18:57]  * BUGabundo damn OSD... its backlog and making me say things that are not true
[18:58] <bcurtiswx> maco: next time you see dtchen can you have him check out bug #343254?
[18:58]  * BUGabundo $ pkill notify-osd
[18:58] <maco> bcurtiswx: do you realy think im going to remember that long number?
[18:58] <BUGabundo> or all the other that charlie-tca seems to have found
[18:58] <bcurtiswx> maco: or just have him bug me.. (no pun intended)
[18:58] <maco> ill open a tab for it in firefox and hope i remember why :P
[18:58]  * BUGabundo is not handble bcurtiswx
[18:59] <BUGabundo> or we can dent him
[18:59] <BUGabundo> lol
[18:59] <BUGabundo> or memoserv
[18:59] <BUGabundo> or email
[18:59] <bcurtiswx> lol
[18:59] <BUGabundo> xeee
[19:00] <bcurtiswx> ***BUGabundo has turned into BUGalinespammer
[19:00] <bcurtiswx> j/k :P
[19:01] <BUGabundo> bcurtiswx: old habbit! nevet manage to write long sentences on IRC
[19:01] <BUGabundo> always got the idea the other person would be there... waiting ... until I finish1
[19:01] <BUGabundo> so I just type something and send it....
[19:01] <BUGabundo> so the other side can go reading it while I type more
[19:02] <maco> haha. well he only checked identi.ca once every couple days
[19:03] <charlie-tca> take a look at 320875
[19:03] <charlie-tca> bug 320875
[19:04] <charlie-tca> Which looks similar
[19:04] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: I know dtchen mention similar stuff on +1 yesterday
[19:04] <charlie-tca> or 343103
[19:04] <bcurtiswx> charlie-tca, yea i know about that, and it looks quite similar, but the errors are enough diff, i want to make sure dtchens fixes would apply
[19:04] <BUGabundo> and that is was fixed and on NEW queue
[19:04] <BUGabundo> not sure if that is new bug, or the same
[19:04] <charlie-tca> If that was fixed, why am I just now getting the errors?
[19:05] <charlie-tca> Should I file another bug?
[19:05] <maco> he fixed that yesterday
[19:05] <maco> it hasnt been uploaded yet
[19:05] <maco> but last night i saw him filling in the changelog
[19:05] <BUGabundo> he said that is was fixed and on NEW queue
[19:05] <charlie-tca> What about bug 343103
[19:05] <maco> i dont know about that one
[19:05] <bcurtiswx> charlie-tca wanna dup that to 343254?
[19:05] <maco> but i was just told to point him to it later today
[19:06] <bcurtiswx> bug #343254
[19:06] <charlie-tca> I don't wanna dup nothing no more. I been wrong about dups about 10 times this weekend
[19:06] <bcurtiswx> haha, ok, brb
[19:06] <charlie-tca> LOL
[19:06] <charlie-tca> Gun shy now. Everything I dup gets reversed.
[19:07] <BUGabundo> eheh
[19:07] <charlie-tca> I think I'll wait a day to file any more, though. Give the fix time to come through
[19:09] <bcurtiswx> k, duped
[19:20] <bcurtiswx> charlie-tca: although with your luck you may not want to, but dup as many that come in that are like those bugs.  I have a feeling we may see a bit more before dtchens fixes come through
[19:20] <bcurtiswx> i will be looking as well
[19:21] <charlie-tca> I'll at least let you know about them, huh?
[19:21] <bcurtiswx> charlie-tca: lol
[19:21] <bcurtiswx> sure
[19:21] <BUGabundo> eheh
[19:22] <BUGabundo> dupes by proxy
[19:22] <charlie-tca> I have a feeling you are right. This is going to keep coming just because of the size of the logs. I have 10GB for logs, but most won't have that much.
[19:24] <bcurtiswx> is there a clean way to clear log files?
[19:24] <bcurtiswx> instead of rm?
[19:24] <BUGabundo> 720M	total
[19:24] <maco> nope, just use rm
[19:24] <BUGabundo> log-rotate trunk ?
[19:24] <maco> might be able to tweak log rotate...
[19:24] <BUGabundo> duh
[19:24] <BUGabundo> truncate
[19:25] <BUGabundo> or just rm and restart log service
[19:25] <BUGabundo> to make new ones
[19:25] <bcurtiswx> will i need to stop the log daemon first?
[19:26] <maco> bcurtiswx: just delete like syslog.6.gz
[19:26] <maco> the higher the #, the older it is
[19:26] <bcurtiswx> k
[19:26] <BUGabundo> humm higer is older
[19:45] <IntuitiveNipple> Looking at the syslog issue, it may be possible to tweak the syslog.conf rules to discard these messages as a temporary workaround... something like: user.*;user.!err -/var/log/user.log
[19:45] <IntuitiveNipple> Just need to figure out the priority of the pulseaudio messages
[19:49] <BUGabundo> nice
[19:51] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: care to dig into the pulseaudio source-code and find the daemon logging function to discover what facility and priority it is sending to?
[19:52] <maco> its uploaded
[19:52] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: code is not me!
[19:52] <maco> dtchen lowered the priority on the logs that are killing /var/log/
[19:52] <BUGabundo> services, I'm your guys
[19:52] <maco> in pulseaudio
[19:52] <IntuitiveNipple> lol
[19:52] <IntuitiveNipple> code is everyone!
[19:52] <maco> waiting for someone to go "ok yeah, dtchen's fixing stuff..*release into archive*"
[19:53] <IntuitiveNipple> How can a  walking strand of DNA say "code is not me" ?:D
[19:53] <IntuitiveNipple> If we can do a workaround in syslog for now, it would help. I've got two 2.5GB files in the /var/ volume right now
[19:55] <maco> you can delete an old one...
[19:55]  * maco goes to find the queue
[19:57] <BUGabundo> I like to keep logs
[20:00] <maco> i couldnt *fit* two 2.5gb files in /var/lo
[20:00] <maco>  /var/log
[20:00] <maco> ive only got 500mb of free space on /
[20:00] <maco> and that's *after* an apt-get clean
[20:01] <BUGabundo> Filesystem           1K-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on
[20:01] <BUGabundo> /dev/sda1              9690316   8520688    681256  93% /
[20:01] <BUGabundo> I'm getting close too
[20:01] <maco> dude, -h
[20:01] <BUGabundo> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[20:01] <BUGabundo> /dev/sda1             9.3G  8.2G  666M  93% /
[20:01] <BUGabundo> I have and alias
[20:01] <BUGabundo> but pidgin does use it
[20:01] <BUGabundo> plus bytes are geekier
[20:04] <IntuitiveNipple> src/pulsecore/log.h:85:#define pa_log_error(...)  pa_log_level_meta(PA_LOG_ERROR
[20:05] <IntuitiveNipple> So it is a syslog "err" report
[20:10] <IntuitiveNipple> ok, seems to be working.
[20:11] <IntuitiveNipple> Edit /etc/syslog.conf, find the two lines that use the "user" facility and edit them, adding ";user.!err" to the specification
[20:12] <IntuitiveNipple> So:
[20:12] <IntuitiveNipple> *.*;auth,authpriv.none;user.!err		-/var/log/syslog
[20:12] <IntuitiveNipple> user.*;user.!err				-/var/log/user.log
[22:32] <maco> BUGabundo, IntuitiveNipple: the logging thing is fixed in crimsun's PPA, waiting on theMuso to move it from there to main, but dtchen says he thinks theMuso is off this week. he asked in #ubuntu-devel for someone else to sponsor it
[22:32] <maco> no idea if anyone else responded to dtchen's "hey anyone wanna sponsor an upload to fix a PulseAudio /var/log DoS?"
[22:34] <maco> bcurtiswx: ^
[22:35] <BUGabundo> thanks
[22:35] <BUGabundo> enabling dans ppa
[23:55] <david_> Hi, I accidentally nominated a bug for the wrong release - how can I undo it
[23:56] <david_> ?
[23:56] <vocx> bug?
[23:57] <david_> #341233
[23:57] <david_> should be jaunty, but not intrepid
[23:57] <vocx> bug #341233


[00:00] <Maggie> :)
[00:01] <MrHotsauce> i just recently learned about the shift thing myself literally less then 20 hours ago
[00:01] <Maggie> so did you have the same issue with flash after upgrading?
[00:02] <MrHotsauce> no im having an issue with my headset after upgrade
[00:02] <MrHotsauce> flash is a tad derpy but it works good enough for me to not bother with it
[00:03] <Maggie> Wish I hadn't upgraded now, it boots up slower and probably should have left well enough alone.
[00:04] <Maggie> If it isn't broke....
[00:04] <MrHotsauce> i tend to run the latest versions i would run the 13.10 alpha build but i dont want to reinstall my os
[00:06] <Maggie> I am pretty new to Xubuntu, but it beats Windows for sure
[00:08] <MrHotsauce> ive been using it since......11.10? i think
[00:11] <Maggie> So know I know someone who might be able to help if I find myself in a jam again?
[00:12] <MrHotsauce> i barely know anything xD i just use google alot when i have issues
[00:13] <MrHotsauce> if you cant get help here another place to try would be #ubuntu
[00:17] <Maggie> Cool, thanks for the info.  :)
[00:17] <Maggie> #ubuntu
[00:17] <MrHotsauce> use /join #ubuntu
[00:18] <MrHotsauce> with the slash
[00:18] <Maggie> Sweet!
[00:18] <MrHotsauce> i would reccomend using xchat the built in irc client with xubuntu
[00:19] <Maggie> I think that is where I am at?
[00:20] <Maggie> http://xubuntu.org/irc/
[00:20] <MrHotsauce> naaah
[00:20] <MrHotsauce> thats a web client
[00:20] <MrHotsauce> you have a built in one with xubuntu
[00:21] <Maggie> Ok? Where would I find it?
[00:21] <Maggie> found it
[00:22] <MrHotsauce> it requires a little configuring but def much better then any web client
[00:26] <Maggie> I was able to log in to ubuntu that way
[00:28] <MrHotsauce> you can type /join #xubuntu   in xchat and use xchat in here
[00:28] <Maggie> am underscore maggie too
[00:28] <Maggie> maggie_
[00:28] <MrHotsauce> you can leave the web client
[00:29] <MrHotsauce> then in here  you can do /nick Maggie
[00:29] <MrHotsauce> to change back to normal
[00:30] <Maggie> It seemed to work.  You Rock!  :)
[00:31] <MrHotsauce> mhm you can even set up xchat to auto connect to here when you open it
[00:31] <MrHotsauce> like so http://i.imgur.com/AhR8gtQ.png
[00:39] <Maggie> Awesome! Think I got it changed
[00:40] <Maggie> what is minecraft?
[00:41] <kingnick42> Maggie, tis a game :P
[00:42] <Maggie> Thank you Kingnick42
[00:43] <kingnick42> No problem Maggie
[00:43] <Maggie> Nick? Wondering if you are the same Nick that helped install my system back in February?
[01:02] <Maggie> thanks again for your help MrHotsauce.  take care!
[01:03] <MrHotsauce> no problem take care as well
[02:04] <maitake> can anyone pastebin me a copy of their thunar or file-manager .desktop files?
[02:04] <maitake> deleted mine like a fool :(
[02:04] <maitake> docky's being stubborn with icons
[03:03] <MrHotsauce> maitake: point me to where it is and ill see if i can provide it
[03:13] <xubuntu916> Hello, I just purchased a Lenovo IdeaPad Z580 that shipped with Windows 8 (64 bit). I immediately formatted it and installed Xubuntu 13.04 using LUKS for everything except /boot. When I attempt to boot the system it falls back to the next available boot medium (PXE, USB, etc). I am able to do a chroot into the system after cryptsetup and mounting. Grub appears to be installed correctly. I'd appreciate any help.
[03:17] <well_laid_lawn> !grub
[03:17] <well_laid_lawn> I don't know about luks sorry
[03:19] <xubuntu916> Alright. I wasn't sure if that was strictly a grub thing, or if something with the new secure boot/windows 8 had created different headaches for installing nix OSes.
[03:25] <xubuntu916> When I attempt to install Grub it says that I have no BIOS Boot Partition and its only alternative is to use blocklists (then failing). I remember seeing a BIOS option of that nature in the partitioning system and disregarding it, so I will reinstall with a few MB dedicated to that and see what happens.
[03:40] <nerdtron> hi all!
[04:07] <nerdtron> any good themes for xubuntu?
[04:08] <xubuntu894> hi
[04:23] <xubuntu916> For anyone else who may have the Windows 8/LUKS boot issue, the solution (for me, at least) was to reinstall adding the first partition as BIOS Boot Partition (I used 25 MB, though 5 would probably have been enough). Next I unlocked the encrypted partition and mounted the boot partition inside that, then reinstalled Grub. That seems to work, as I am typing this from the hard drive OS.
[05:44] <jorj> hello. anyone uses xubuntu 12.04? i have an problem with xscreensaver, i think, but can not find any info about my problem. periodically stop working screen locking (xflock). reason - not running xscreensaver. it disappears from process list. i could start it manually ("xscreensaver&" at terminal or at ALT+F2 prompt). i tried ptions to be verbose and to log xscreensaver work, but no error found after process crushed. anyone knows this
[06:10] <nerdtron> i'm using xubuntu..but i'm not using xscreensaver because it looks awful
[06:15] <Sysi> I have heard about xscreensaver crashing when computer is locked, but not when it's on the background
[08:02] <alfonsojon> Hi
[08:02] <alfonsojon> I'm using Xubuntu 13.04 on the Samsung Chromebook
[08:03] <alfonsojon> It works fine but 2D graphics acceleration is horrid
[08:03] <alfonsojon> Even with compisiting disabled, it's lagging when I move windows.
[08:04] <Noskcaj> alfonsojon, have you tried the proprietary drivers?
[08:04] <alfonsojon> jockey-gtk says I have none available
[08:06] <Noskcaj> alfonsojon, ok. maybe try the samsung website or upgrading to 13.10. i can't think of anything else sorry
[08:06] <alfonsojon> Alright, thanks
[08:06] <alfonsojon> Then again, Chromebooks are only meant to run Chrome OS... lol
[08:06] <alfonsojon> wait, you think I could copy the drivers over manually somehow?
[08:07] <alfonsojon> They are both using the same kernel
[08:08] <Noskcaj> alfonsojon, maybe
[09:17] <WalterN> hmm
[09:17] <WalterN> I'm looking at this, having set up dovecot just a bit ago... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix#Other_Postfix_Guides
[09:17] <WalterN> erm
[09:17] <WalterN> I mean postfix
[09:17] <WalterN> s/dovecot/postfix
[09:18] <WalterN> anyway, should I implement all of those for spam filtering? or just one or two?
[09:20] <bekks> "all of those" -. what do you mean?
[09:20] <bekks> Setup what you want to setup.
[09:21] <WalterN> I'm not sure... lol.. somebody else suggested spamassasin
[09:22] <bekks> Then set it up.
[09:35] <xubuntu323> Hello, Concerning:  external hard drive 320GB Western Digital - When trying to open the HD and see the files, I get the message: Error when getting information for file '/media/BACKUP_WD/HP':     Failed to open directory "BACKUP_WD".  Error when getting information for file '/media/BACKUP_WD/HP':
[09:36] <xubuntu323> Failed to open directory "BACKUP_WD".  Error when getting information for file '/media/BACKUP_WD/HP'--Input/output error.
[09:37] <xubuntu323> I am therefore unable to open the directory on this HD. It seems that the folder "HP" has a problem prohibiting the opening of the hard drive.
[09:39] <bekks> Your conclusion is wrong.
[09:40] <bekks> It seems that you get I/O errors when accessing the drive. So check the output of dmesg.
[09:44] <xubuntu323> Thanks, but what I have to look at in the dmesg output?
[09:46] <bekks> Everything unusual.
[10:04] <xubuntu323> To bekks: thanks again but to many lines whose I have no clue --> I cannot find something "unusual".
[10:05] <bekks> xubuntu323: Then pastebin the entire output.
[10:06] <nerdtron> any errors like I/O error in dmesg?
[10:07] <Sysi> error warning or E_ are sings of problem
[10:10] <bekks> Sysi: E_ is pretty seldom in dmesg. E_* are programmatical error messages.
[10:14] <bekks> xubuntu323: So are you going to pastebin the entire dmesg output?
[10:14] <xubuntu323> Yes, it's coming...
[10:16] <xubuntu323> $ dmesg [    0.000000] Initializing cgroup subsys cpuset [    0.000000] Initializing cgroup subsys cpu [    0.000000] Linux version 3.2.0-48-generic (buildd@lamiak) (gcc version 4.6.3 (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.6.3-1ubuntu5) ) #74-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jun 6 19:45:16 UTC 2013 (Ubuntu 3.2.0-48.74-generic 3.2.46) [    0.000000] KERNEL supported cpus: [    0.000000]   Intel GenuineIntel [    0.000000]   AMD AuthenticAMD [    0.000000]   NSC Geode
[10:17] <nerdtron> xubuntu323: is it just a single folder you can't access or the whole drive?
[10:17] <xubuntu323> $ dmesg [    0.000000] Initializing cgroup subsys cpuset [    0.000000] Initializing cgroup subsys cpu [    0.000000] Linux version 3.2.0-48-generic (buildd@lamiak) (gcc version 4.6.3 (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.6.3-1ubuntu5) ) #74-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jun 6 19:45:16 UTC 2013 (Ubuntu 3.2.0-48.74-generic 3.2.46) [    0.000000] KERNEL supported cpus: [    0.000000]   Intel GenuineIntel [    0.000000]   AMD AuthenticAMD [    0.000000]   NSC Geode
[10:18] <bekks> xubuntu323: This channel is not a pastebin.
[10:18] <bekks> !pastebin | xubuntu323
[10:21] <xubuntu323> To nerdtron: with xubuntu, I cannot access the entire drive; with win xp, I can access the drive except the folder "HP" which seems to be corrupted.
[10:21] <bekks> xubuntu323: You have I/O errors, not corrupted folders :)
[10:24] <bekks> xubuntu323: So are you going to pastebin the entire dmesg output?
[10:24] <nerdtron> if it is I/O errors, it could mean a damaged hard drive. sorry but your drive could be failing already
[10:25] <Sysi> it's backup time
[10:26] <Sysi> you can try checking drive health with S.M.A.R.T https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Smartmontools
[10:26] <bekks> Backup time has already passed - no backup means no data worth to be kept.
[10:26] <bekks> First, pastebin dmesg. :)
[10:30] <xubuntu323> bekks: sorry for the delay, I am still trying.
[10:31] <bekks> !pastebinit | xubuntu323
[10:40] <bekks> xubuntu323: So will you finally pastebin the requested information after 35 minutes of waiting? If not, I can get back to others things to be done.
[10:42] <xubuntu323> No, sorry, it's not done because I am discovering the pastebinit system.
[10:42] <bekks> Ok, then good luck in solving your I/O error issues.
[10:42] <xubuntu323> Go back to your activities. Thanks anyway. I will try later.
[11:38] <meditator> hello,
[11:39] <meditator> when i double click a scrip, it just runs without a warning. Is it possible to get a prompt with options like "run in terminal" "Display" etc ? Thanks for your help
[11:39] <meditator> *script
[11:40] <baizon> meditator: create a launcher which runs in terminal :)
[11:41] <meditator> baizon, its not for a specific file.. i mean all executable files marked as executable, when i double click them, can i get an option which says "run in terminal" "Display" etc ?
[11:42] <nerdtron> meditator: now that you say it, i remember we have that option in ubuntu
[11:42] <baizon> meditator: something like this? http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=7779
[11:43] <nerdtron> but not xubuntu
[11:44] <meditator> nerdtron,  yes.. i too used it in ubuntu
[11:45] <nerdtron> baizon: good link
[11:45] <meditator> baizon, thanks a lot.. thats exactly what i needed...
[11:45] <baizon> nerdtron: thank you
[11:45] <baizon> meditator: np :)
[11:48] <xubuntu323> If  bekks is still there, you will find a link to the dmseg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5976994/plain/
[11:50] <xubuntu323> By the way, I still have an error when trying to open an external  HD connected - Error when getting information for file '/media/BACKUP_WD/HP': Input/output error.
[11:50] <bekks> xubuntu323: Yes. And as can be perfectly seen, the filesystem on that drive is corrupted.
[11:50] <bekks> Since it is a Windows filesystem, use Windows to fix it.
[12:02] <xubuntu323> OK, thanks, bye.
[12:20] <meditator> baizon, i still have not been able to change the default action when double-clicking a shell script. It just executes. Is it possible to open it in a text editor, and if i want to run it, i can right click and click execute ?
[13:25] <soman1> Xubuntu 12.04 Elements of the panel (time, language and fast launch) are not displayed. Is any ways to fix it?
[14:01] <Guest20270> Hello
[14:01] <bgardner> Guest20270: Hello
[14:01] <glitchd> hello all
[14:02] <glitchd> trying to install outrec in xubuntu 13.04
[14:03] <Guest20270> I am using Xubuntu 13.04 and I have some questions: 1.- I am using Whisker menu why the firefox icons looks so tiny? and why it makes a HD checking at every boot?
[14:03] <glitchd> getting a dependency error with gambas "dependency not satisfiable: gambas2-runtime (>=1.9.48)
[14:05] <glitchd> ummm...anyone alive?
[14:05] <bgardner> glitchd: We're alive, but in your case we need more information.
[14:06] <bgardner> glitchd: What was your command line for the install?
[14:06] <glitchd> bgardner, ok, i was attempting to install outrec from the software center but im getting a dependency error
[14:07] <glitchd> getting a dependency error with gambas "dependency not satisfiable: gambas2-runtime (>=1.9.48)
[14:07] <bgardner> glitchd: One moment while I look it up.
[14:07] <glitchd> thx i appreciate the help
[14:11] <glitchd> bgardner, any luck thus far?
[14:11] <bgardner> glitchd: Not yet, still looking.
[14:12] <glitchd> mmk
[14:14] <glitchd> bgardner, im running ubuntu 1304 with the xubuntu desktop.
[14:15] <knome> Guest20270, you should seek support from whisker menu developers
[14:15] <bgardner> glitchd: Did you download the deb from outrec's website and try to install that in the software center?
[14:15] <glitchd> bgardner, yes, thats when it gave me the dependency error
[14:16] <bgardner> glitchd: Okay, you should have led with that.  Here's the page you need to go to for your next steps: http://outrec.sourceforge.net/support.html
[14:16] <caodepalha> i got into a problem with ubuntu studio. when i start my laptop i get the message unable to launch startxfce4 x session.. startxfce not found falling back to default
[14:16] <bgardner> glitchd: Lower left, the commands to bring in your dependencies.
[14:16] <glitchd> bgardner, thank you very much, sry i didnt relay the important information.
[14:17] <Guest20270> knome, is not that is the same Firefox icon I think
[14:17] <glitchd> bgardner, im still getting errors.
[14:17] <glitchd> bgardner, is it ok if i pm you so i dont have to spam the room with the output of the command?
[14:18] <bgardner> glitchd: Sure
[14:21] <caodepalha> i turn on the laptop and when i get to the login screen i can log in with my account, as guest or as other. everyway i try i get the> unable to launch startxfce4 x session> startxfce4 not found falling back to default session
[14:33] <glitchd> anyone know of a program to record audio straight from the sound card, outrec apparently isnt supported anymore.
[16:11] <sivik_> anyone ever seen the keyboard shortcuts stop working, all of them, even the default ones in xubuntu 13.04?
[16:14] <PhoenixSTF> nop but then again that might be a session issue
[16:14] <Sivik> PhoenixSTF: I even tried rebooting and no go
[16:14] <PhoenixSTF> take a look inside .cache or .config
[16:15] <Sivik> PhoenixSTF: thx
[16:15] <Sysi> Sivik: is xfce4-settings-helper running?
[16:15] <PhoenixSTF> you have a xfce folder, make a backup and delete the original, it might reset your session. BE ADVISED it will reset almost everything
[16:15] <Sysi> removing ~(.cache/sessions and rebooting might help
[16:16] <Sivik> The xfce4-settings-helper isn't running
[16:16] <Sysi> ~/.cache/sessions
[16:16] <Sysi> run it
[16:17] <Sivik> I don't have anything called settings-helper
[16:17] <Sivik> editor and manager are the only two I have
[16:18] <Sysi> hum, I might have remembered it wrong, or it's been renamed
[16:18] <Sysi> can't check right now
[16:19] <Sysi> actually I can, a couple secs
[16:20] <Sysi> yeah, that one is not used anymore
[16:21] <Sysi> can you reset hotkeys or add new ones?
[18:09] <jdhigh9000> anybody know to setup keyboard shortcuts xubuntu?
[18:09] <jdhigh9000> on xubuntu?
[18:09] <bgardner> jdhigh9000: Settings->Keyboard->Application Shortcuts
[18:10] <Sysi> keyboard settings or window manager settings, depending about your goal
[18:10] <jdhigh9000> [bgardner] thanks
[18:10] <bgardner> jdhigh9000: Sysi is correct, however - some shortcuts will be under window manager settings
[18:12] <jdhigh9000> bgardner: i am just trying to setup some app shortcuts.
[18:15] <bgardner> jdhigh9000: Okay, then go with the first answer: Settings->Keyboard->Application shortcuts
[18:18] <jdhigh9000> bgardner:okay. no problem. will do. thanks for the assist.
[18:18] <jdhigh9000> Sysi:thanks as well. have a good day
[18:19] <Sysi> you too
[18:19] <jdhigh9000> :)
[19:47] <Pwnna> why is it that workspace settings doesn't have the number of rows settings?
[19:49] <knome> Pwnna, why would it?
[19:49] <knome> Pwnna, try checking the workspaces applet settings.
[19:49] <Pwnna> i want to have a square like setting
[19:49] <Pwnna> workspaces-applet?
[19:49] <knome> right. no, that's not possible.
[19:50] <Pwnna> but http://docs.xfce.org/_media/xfce/xfce4-panel/pager.png
[19:51] <knome> sure. that's the applet settings.
[19:51] <Pwnna> ohh
[19:51] <Pwnna> i see
[19:51] <Pwnna> ty!
[19:51] <knome> no problem
[19:52] <Pwnna> is it possible to add in the unity like heads up so you know which workspace you're on
[19:52] <Pwnna> when you move between them
[19:52] <Pwnna> just a big text in the center showing the name would be nice.
[19:52] <Pwnna> better if we can get a grid going.
[19:52] <Pwnna> (which project is this? I can probably help implement that)
[19:52] <knome> no, i don't think so, but afaik the workspace applet shows you which one that is
[19:53] <knome> i'd imagine it's something in xfdesktop (but don't take my word for it)
[19:53] <Pwnna> it's better UX if we showed a big thing like unity.
[19:53] <Pwnna> should be /relatively/ easy to implement
[19:54] <knome> technically might be that, socially can be different
[19:54] <Pwnna> turn it off by default
[19:55] <knome> it's still more codebase which is sometimes unwanted
[19:55] <bgardner> knome: +1
[19:55] <Pwnna> i feel like it is a good feature to have.
[19:55] <knome> however, this is getting offtopic for this channel; i'd recommend asking in #xfce-dev
[19:56] <knome> Pwnna, sure. that's one for the feature. i'm pretty sure you'll find at least 2 developers against it (not to discourage, but to keep things realistic...)
[19:56] <Pwnna> why would people be against that feature?
[19:56] <Pwnna> but okay
[19:56] <Pwnna> let's move.
[22:14] <JWR_> Howdy
[22:14] <bekks> Oh, some texan arrived... :P
[22:14] <JWR_> Haha, nahh. Michigander
[22:14] <JWR_> Just that cowboy spirit haha
[22:16] <JWR_> Installing xubuntu now, coming over from mint. Mint just felt sluggish to me.
[22:16] <JWR_> Going to give xubuntu a go, then if it still feels sluggish, lubuntu.
[22:18] <bekks> You dont need to reinstall then.
[22:19] <JWR_> I could have just downloaded xfce over my cinnamon mint install couldn't I?
[22:19] <JWR_> Eh, new guy mistakes I guess.
[22:20] <bekks> I dont know nuts abouts mint. But having xubuntu, you can just install lubuntu-desktop, and you'll have both, xfce and lxde.
[22:20] <JWR_> oh okay
[22:20] <JWR_> that will work better than a re-install
[22:22] <JWR_> Well, nice chatting bekks. Time to reboot.
[22:29] <ross_> Much quicker so far.
[22:30] <NEED_HELP_PLEASE> Is there any one in here that is proficient in wireless networks
[22:30] <kingnick42> NEED_HELP_PLEASE, what's your problem?
[22:31] <NEED_HELP_PLEASE> I have a older laptop that originally came with a hacker friendly version of Windows XP however it was junk I got it for 20 bucks and back to the subject I am attempting to setup a wireless connection on xubuntu and finding it rather difficult
[22:32] <johnnywasright> what kind of wireless card?
[22:32] <NEED_HELP_PLEASE> For one reason or another a model similar to this I set it up just fine. This one is hesitant
[22:32] <NEED_HELP_PLEASE> BCM5702X
[22:33] <NEED_HELP_PLEASE> I checked the compatibility chart. Well, It isn't even listed. I checked the other model and it has the almost exact same card so I am sure it will work. I just can't make it.
[22:33] <johnnywasright> hmm, sorry I am brand new. I was hoping I would be able to help because I struggled with my wireless card. But, I am not sure about that wireless card.
[22:34] <NEED_HELP_PLEASE>  No worries, The ability to learn is only limited by the knowledge your willing to transmit.
[22:35] <NEED_HELP_PLEASE> kingnick42: Do you have any ideas?
[22:36] <kingnick42> NEED_HELP_PLEASE, does jockey detect it?
[22:39] <NEED_HELP_PLEASE> Jockey? I never heard of that term. I may know what your talking about but have no idea what Jockey is
[22:57] <kingnick42> NEED_HELP_PLEASE, jockey is a program to find drivers
[22:59] <GridCube> yes
[22:59] <GridCube> it doesnt exist anymore
[22:59] <GridCube> you need to access the driver management from the software source settings


[07:37] <YoBoY> bonjour
[08:40] <czajkowski> salut
[08:42] <bkerensa> hallo
[08:43] <czajkowski> Je suis fatigue
[08:48]  * YoBoY donne une grande tasse de café à czajkowski :)
[08:49] <czajkowski> le the s'il vous plait
[08:50] <czajkowski> sorry am missing accents
[08:50] <czajkowski> but you get the idea
[08:50] <YoBoY> yes ^^
[08:51] <YoBoY> a christmas tea ? I have one at the moment, it's really tasty :D
[12:35] <BigWhale> TS
[12:36] <czajkowski> aloha
[13:48] <mhall119> czajkowski: ibus, ftw on accents
[13:49] <czajkowski> ahh good to know
[13:49] <mhall119> I discovered it half-way through my French semester, it was wonderful
[13:49] <mhall119> had to memorize the locations of é è ç and à though
[13:50] <mhall119> still better than the javascript popup they had for entering them
[13:51] <mhall119> Unity has caused my mouse skills to atrophy
[13:51] <czajkowski> I rarely use a mouse as on the laptop so either track pad or keyboard
[13:52] <mhall119> I only have a touchpad, that's what I meant
[13:55] <czajkowski> ahh I see
[13:58] <mhall119> I gave up on Gnome 3 after a few hours of not having Super+[0-9]
[13:58] <mhall119> nor Super+F[1-6]
[13:58] <mhall119> though the later isn't a default, i find it incredibly useful
[13:58] <mhall119> for switching workspaces
[14:18] <trinikrono> hey everyone i like the thing with ohio team did with debian :D i hope i can get my team to do something like that soon
[15:12] <paultag> LoCoHiO rules :)
[15:12] <trinikrono> hey paultag whats happening
[15:13] <trinikrono> which loco are you with
[15:13] <paultag> trinikrono: I ran Ohio for a while, I'm back in Boston now
[15:13] <paultag> trinikrono: Nada, how are you?
[15:14] <trinikrono> im cool was just eating papaya and portugals
[15:14] <trinikrono> you ever ate papaya
[15:15] <paultag> jep
[15:15] <paultag> good stuff
[15:15] <trinikrono> :D
[15:15] <trinikrono> how much people you have in boston
[15:16] <paultag> The city proper had a population of 617,594 according to the 2010 U.S. Census, trinikrono
[15:16] <trinikrono> paultag: i meant the loco!
[15:16] <paultag> Ah, I'm not sure :)
[15:16] <paultag> a bunch to a few
[15:16] <paultag> most of the work in Boston is debian tbh
[15:16] <trinikrono> my population is 1.3 million for the republic
[15:16] <trinikrono> you are about half, boston must be big lol
[15:17] <paultag> that's just the city, not the boston area :)
[15:17] <paultag> and yeah, it's fairly large
[15:17] <trinikrono> well debian people are nice, i just cant seem to find any locally
[15:18] <trinikrono> my closest debian friend is in el salvador
[15:18] <trinikrono> he came to trinidad looking for debian people and there was only me lol
[15:20] <trinikrono> paultag: do you go there debian meetups, i would lol
[15:23] <paultag> trinikrono: yep :)


[00:11] <jcmcken> hi all -- quick question, when anyone gets a minute
[00:12] <jcmcken> is there a native way to specify that cloud-init configuration baked into an image can override configuration passed as user data?
[08:09] <harmw> smoser: I'm feeding the raw image to glance, which hands it over to my Ceph backend
[08:09] <harmw> come to think of it, isn't Glance able to convert images on the fly these days..?
[08:10] <harmw> anyway, supplying a vhd to serve Hyper-V would be nice
[13:06] <smoser> harmw, glance doesn't (or shouldn't) do it.
[13:06] <smoser> generally thats the philosophy with glance.
[13:06] <smoser> its just a registry.
[13:07] <smoser> hypervisors need to just deal with it.
[13:07] <smoser> and i guess then that that means where nova provisions something "to volume" that it needs to do it too.
[13:08] <smoser> id' happily cahnge to some other format if that format was as easily consumable and producable as qcow and was also sparse and compressed.
[13:08] <smoser> especially if it streamed.  wget | convert-to-raw | dd of=block-devic
[13:08] <smoser> that is ideal. i guess s/wget/curl/
[13:09] <harmw> ah, well
[13:09] <smoser> (so yeah, you touched on somewhat a religous topic for me)
[13:09] <harmw> haha :)
[13:09] <smoser> it is absolutely absurd to expect "image producers" (or appliance producers or whatever)
[13:10] <smoser> to have to offer the same bits in 6 different formats.
[13:10] <smoser> and you (as the user) to have to know which one to get.
[13:10] <harmw> true, though it is conveniant
[13:10] <smoser> the unfair benefit for me of qcow is that it "just works" with kvm.
[13:10] <harmw> which was what I'm after :)
[13:10] <smoser> so that is me being biased a bit.
[13:17] <smoser> harlowja_away, please ping me when in.
[13:17] <smoser> i really need to call 0.7.5 by like end of tomorrow
[13:17] <smoser> so if there is stuff that you think is or should get in, please let me know.
[13:17] <smoser> harmw, same for you above
[13:17] <smoser> or anyone else.
[13:18] <harmw> hm? ah, cloud-init?
[13:18] <smoser> yeah :)
[13:18] <smoser> we also talk about cloud-init here sometimes
[13:18] <harmw> hehe
[13:19] <harmw> well the fbsd stuff is in, and I've not worked on that for quite a while now
[13:19] <harmw> mostly waiting for it to arrive in ports
[13:19] <harmw> and to busy with cirros :p
[13:20] <smoser> again, thanks for your help with that.
[13:20] <harmw> sure np
[13:23] <harmw> https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/cinder/commit/?id=e066158b5235a3879fe90fa3bd813fc3363c01f5 that looks like Glance auto-converting any image type to raw volume
[13:24] <harmw> or it converts the image to raw, making cow volumes possible
[13:24] <harmw> (meh, Ill just have to read the source at some point time)
[13:27] <harmw> smoser: just have Canonical donate me a nice HP Gen8 Microserver and we'll be another step closer to world domination :>
[13:28] <smoser> harmw, NUCs are the new hotness.
[13:28] <smoser> microservers crap
[13:29] <harmw> I'm in for one of those as well :)
[13:30] <smoser> nucs are really neat actually. they also have 'eamt' which gets you vnc to the system and remote power control an dsuch.
[13:30] <smoser> but to our experiments no serial over lan
[13:31] <harmw> so they include some kind of bmc?
[13:31] <smoser> essentially.
[13:31] <smoser> its consumer grade
[13:31] <smoser> but pretty neat.
[13:31] <harmw> sweet, didn't know that
[13:31] <smoser> it shares 1 NIC with the host
[13:31] <harmw> ay
[13:31] <smoser> its actually available on lots of system syou probably didn't know about
[13:31] <smoser> ie, if you have a thinkpad of < 2 years old they all have it.
[13:31] <harmw> I haven't bought hardware in ages, so... :)
[13:32] <smoser> yeah, my thinkpad is 4 years old. it missed the eamt by 1 generation
[13:32] <smoser> :)
[13:32] <harmw> and all servers we have have here come with idrac/ilom or whatever decent thing they have
[13:32] <harmw> *installed
[13:32] <smoser> eamt is really kindofo hookey, but neat.  the vnc works by taking the hosts port 5900
[13:32] <harmw> wtf
[13:32] <smoser> ie, you cannot get to that host's IP address on 5900.
[13:32] <smoser> it shares the IP
[13:33] <harmw> aargh
[13:33] <harmw> thats just sux
[13:33] <smoser> well, consumer
[13:33] <smoser> :)
[13:33] <harmw> true :)
[13:33] <smoser> what do you want for $300 in a hocky puck sized server
[13:33] <harmw> hehe
[13:33] <harmw> 2nd nic and 2nd 2.5" hdd :)
[13:33] <harmw> ideal compute nodes
[13:34] <harmw> atleast in a homelab
[13:34] <smoser> yeah. they're really neat.
[13:34] <smoser> for the money i think they beat the pants off of hp microservers
[13:34] <smoser> at least the onest that we had some of.
[13:35] <harmw> ofc, but the new Gen8 microservers are way better compared to the first 3 generations
[13:35] <harmw> but enough about that :) back to world domination
[13:36] <harmw> when you're gonna branch cirros 0.4?
[13:46] <harmw> btw smoser, how about a little tool in bin/ to change to root password when building from source?
[13:47] <smoser> booooooooo
[13:47] <smoser> this year is our year (cubs)
[13:47] <harmw> perhaps, but here we are rather clueless on just wtf the cubs are and why they should win :>
[13:48] <smoser> as above where i like to selfishly inflict my preferences of kvm on the world, i also like making people type "cubswin:)"
[13:48] <smoser> someone disappointed that "cubswin:)" doesn't show anything about cirros in google
[13:49] <harmw> hehe
[13:49] <harmw> if I created such a tool, would you merge it?
[13:50] <smoser> actually... i've dreamt of "cirros-tools"
[13:50] <smoser> as a package
[13:50] <smoser> err... a separate project.
[13:50] <smoser> fine to start in cirros
[13:50] <harmw> hmk?
[13:50] <smoser> but that do things like:
[13:50] <smoser>   cirros-util start lxc
[13:50] <smoser>  cirros-util download
[13:50] <smoser> ...
[13:51] <smoser>   cirros-util set-passwd cubs-lose
[13:51] <smoser> it'd make testing things easier too.
[13:51] <harmw> hm hm, interesting
[13:51] <smoser> for lxc, though, its in lxc now. 'lxc create -t cirros' (although that there needs a feature to add user-data/meta-data)
[13:52] <smoser> actually... i wonder how close 'backdoor-image' would come to working on cirros.
[13:52] <smoser> i might have even tested it at one point
[13:52] <smoser> (it has code that changes passwords)
[13:52] <smoser> https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/+junk/backdoor-image
[13:53] <smoser> so that might actually work as it is.
[13:53] <smoser> backdoor-iamge --user cirros cirros-image.img
[13:54] <kwadronaut> (typo)
[13:54] <smoser> what is 'sl' ?
[13:54] <harmw> isn't that the steamlocomotive?
[13:54] <smoser> oh. funny.
[13:54] <smoser> :)
[13:54] <harmw> ubuntu ships with it iirc
[13:55] <smoser> 26k though installed.
[13:55] <smoser> wonder if there is a trim version :)
[13:55] <harmw> :)
[13:56] <smoser> did you ever see the "wheres chuck" meme ?
[13:56] <smoser> http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/11/16/wheres-chuck/
[13:56] <smoser> i had a ascii art version. that i was going to shove into cirros
[13:57] <smoser> and have it show it if you did the konami code on the console
[13:57] <smoser> i'd love to have some easter egg like that
[13:57] <harmw> damn right :)
[13:57] <harmw> I don't know this specific meme though
[13:57] <harmw> but we have similar memes here :p
[14:08] <smoser> https://launchpad.net/cirros
[14:08] <smoser> harmw, you have almost as many points as i do!
[14:09] <smoser> :)
[14:09] <harmw> hehe cool
[14:09] <smoser> i just branched 0.3. so now there is lp:~cirros-dev/cirros/0.3
[14:09] <smoser> and lp:~cirros-dev/cirros/trunk
[14:09] <harmw> ah yes, I see
[14:09] <smoser> the second is the target of the ilnk 'lp:cirros'
[14:09] <harmw> and the latest version got updated :)
[14:10] <smoser> and your name is in the changelog
[14:10] <smoser> fame and fortune will come your way soon
[14:10] <harmw> o m g
[14:10] <harmw> your telling ppl to just build the image themselves?
[14:10] <smoser> no.
[14:10] <smoser> i jsut don't knwo what to do.
[14:11] <smoser> as i really dont want to amnually upload stuff to launchpad
[14:11] <smoser> and download.cirros-cloud.net is actually akami CDN'd so it would be faster anyway
[14:11] <smoser> *and* i can more easily get logs of those downloads.
[14:11] <smoser> so i really don't want people looking at launchpad, basically.
[14:12] <harmw> ok, well a link from the source page or something would be nice so ppl know where to look for prebuilt images
[14:13] <smoser> this is true.
[14:13] <smoser> :)
[14:13] <harmw> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cirros-dev/cirros/trunk/view/head:/ChangeLog
[14:13] <smoser> especially since cirros-cloud.net redirects you to launchpad
[14:13] <harmw> most epic changelog ever
[14:14] <harmw> having some decent html on cirros-cloud.net would be nice btw, instead of merely redirecting
[14:14] <smoser> my wife suzanne has promised a cirros logo
[14:14] <smoser> and i've wanted to have a shirt for ODS
[14:14] <harmw> lol nice
[14:14] <smoser> i agree on all of this.
[14:15] <harmw> is this your 'whatever, I'm down with everything'-day?
[14:16] <smoser> :)
[14:16] <smoser> https://launchpad.net/cirros
[14:16] <smoser> that should look better now.
[14:16] <smoser> 2 links to download.cirros-cloud.net
[14:16] <harmw> lol
[14:21] <smoser> did you see this:
[14:21] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/cirros/+bug/1273159
[14:21] <smoser> obviously you did
[14:21] <smoser> but is this right:
[14:21] <smoser>  This can be worked around by adding this line to the eth0 stanza of /etc/network/interfaces
[14:21] <smoser> ?
[14:21] <smoser> i can't see how it is
[14:23] <smoser> but maybe
[14:23] <smoser><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:25] <harmw> hm, if thats right it would require the addition of -O staticroutes to go in there as well
[14:25] <smoser> yeah.
[14:25] <harmw> can't verify that right now though
[14:25] <smoser> well, source code makes it seem unlikel
[14:25] <smoser> $ grep -r nodefaultopts .
[14:26] <smoser> shows nothing
[14:26] <smoser> in busybox git
[14:26] <harmw> hm, I believe I've seen that -o somewhere though
[14:26] <harmw> to not ask for default options
[14:27] <harmw> plus, it's no_default_options
[14:30] <smoser> wrt the retries.... on the metadata service
[14:30] <smoser> there were issues on ec2
[14:30] <smoser> where the metadata servie woudn't come up right away.
[14:30] <smoser> crazy stupid.
[14:30] <harmw> hmk
[14:31] <smoser> but when our ubuntu images first got there we were booting and hitting it before it was up
[14:31] <smoser> and we'd just say "nothing there!"
[14:31] <smoser> so ... poll and retry :-(
[14:31] <harmw> hmk, so 20 retries made sense?
[14:31] <smoser> i think they're probably much better now.
[14:31] <smoser> well, 20 retries covers i think 60 seconds?
[14:31] <smoser> somethin glike that. i think.
[14:34] <smoser> ah. itmeout is 10 seconds . on the curl request
[14:34] <smoser> so it could be up to 20*10 + 20*2 (the nap length)
[14:35] <harmw> yea well, it's a pita having to wait 5 minutes because it takes to long to acquire an ip and trying to contact a non-existant ec2 api :p
[14:37] <smoser> that is kind of silly. we can probably make it do max of 60 seconds.
[14:37] <smoser> it is unreasonable in the first place for the MD to not be there.
[14:38] <harmw> depends on the env, when I'm testing cirros I certainly don't do that in my openstack setup
[14:38] <harmw> but just with qemu, or hyper-v
[14:39] <harmw> no ec2 api's on either of those
[14:53] <smoser> right. that is reasonable.
[14:53] <smoser> so i'd like to have a (non-root) way to boot the instance with metadata
[14:54] <smoser> ie, like ubuntu  images do (http://ubuntu-smoser.blogspot.com/2013/02/using-ubuntu-cloud-images-without-cloud.html)
[15:03] <harmw> ok, so when there is no ec2 available it firesup a local ds and uses that
[15:05] <harmw> well, fires up.. it just reads in the user-data file which was already there
[15:05] <harmw> perhaps the existence of such a file could (should?) make it skip contacting ec2 in the first place
[15:06] <smoser> yeah, thats what it does harm.
[15:06] <smoser> and you can do that with 0.3.2.
[15:06] <smoser> if you seed those directorries, then it will read from them.
[15:07] <harmw> cool
[15:07] <harmw> then we realy need a proper seed-tool :)
[15:10] <smoser> agreed.
[15:10] <smoser> the thing that sucks is root
[15:10] <smoser> oh. actually, kyou could still attach a config-drive disk.
[15:10] <smoser> and that should work.
[15:10] <smoser> and maybe i did it to allow a "nocloud"
[15:10] <smoser> maybe
[15:11] <smoser> yeah, actually it should
[15:11] <smoser> harmw, you can just attach a nocloud disk.
[15:12] <harmw> to much hassle :>
[15:12] <smoser> to avoid root
[15:12] <smoser> its worth it. :)
[15:13] <harmw> hehe ,well, I'm cool with using sudo to manipulate images... but yes, have a root-less solution is cool as well
[15:13] <smoser> one other thing you could do in a raw image is have some place in the disk that a tool could just edit straight away
[15:13] <smoser> bu that doesn't work with qcow or any other format
[15:13] <harmw> hehe, raw +1 :>
[15:13] <smoser> and you probably only get like 512 bytes there (this is how grub does things for its 'environment' file)
[15:14] <smoser> well, it knows how to read extX filessystem, but then to just write into those places.
[15:14] <harmw> might be just enough for nocloud
[15:14] <smoser> wll, i dont know. limits user-data.
[15:14] <smoser> one thing that is very useful, and tests a lot of it is just lxc
[15:14] <harmw> true, but normal users probably have ec2 for that
[15:14] <smoser> and with 14.04 you can use lxc without root
[15:15] <smoser> but we'd need to make cirros work well there.
[15:15] <harmw> fair enough
[15:15] <smoser> its not too much hassle to attach a disk. really.
[15:15] <smoser> and if you have:
[15:15] <harmw> no ofc not :)
[15:15] <smoser>  cirros boot kvm --user-data=foo
[15:15] <smoser> then, you dont know of such hassle.
[15:15] <harmw> so true
[15:15] <harmw> but what if I'm testdriving in a hyper-v vm
[15:15] <harmw> which is kind of a pain already
[15:16] <smoser> well, then yo uhave to download the install shield installer
[15:16] <smoser> and click yes-i-accept
[15:16] <smoser> and then get some DLLs from google some where
[15:16] <smoser> and then reboot
[15:16] <smoser> and *then* you can do it.
[15:16] <harmw> ah yes, the one that requires .net4.5 and which isn't supported on a hyper-v server running Windows Server Core
[15:16] <harmw> funny you
[15:16] <harmw> cirros.msi :>
[15:17] <smoser> windows is *so* well designed for automation
[15:17] <harmw> spare me...
[15:17]  * harmw manages several dozens of Windows systems
[15:17] <smoser> someone pointed me at this a few days ago.
[15:17] <smoser> haven't read it all
[15:17] <smoser> http://www.thoughtworks.com/insights/blog/cloud-based-devops-possible-windows
[15:20] <harmw> "However, it isn’t all sunshine and lollipops. WinRM is actually pretty painful and fiddly to use and PowerShell is an ugly and procedural language."
[15:20] <harmw> so true
[17:12] <harlowja> smoser hey, just got in
[17:12] <smoser> lazy west coast people
[17:12] <smoser> utlemming, did you see  my comments ?
[17:12] <harlowja> haha
[17:13] <harlowja> smoser one that would be nice @ https://code.launchpad.net/~harlowja/cloud-init/local-before-net/+merge/211783
[17:14] <harlowja> to fix the issue where cloud-init-local starts after networking
[17:14] <smoser> ugh.
[17:14] <smoser> well, that only fixes in sysvinit
[17:14] <smoser> (not rhel6, right?)
[17:14] <smoser> *and* that would then differ from other distros
[17:15] <harlowja> sure, idk the ordering of other distros, since systemd and ordering isn't so easy to figure out
[17:16] <smoser> right. i dont think its guanrteed
[17:18] <harlowja> sure, so don't the other files also need to have this start before networking?
[17:18] <harlowja> *this == cloud-init-local
[17:21] <smoser> harlowja, ?
[17:21] <smoser> i dont understand
[17:22] <harlowja> guess the question is should the other files be adjusted also?
[17:23] <smoser> harlowja, theres no way to do it in ubuntu.
[17:23] <smoser> i dont think
[17:23] <smoser> well, at least not more invasive than i'd lke to go at this point.
[17:25] <harlowja> k, so i guess then maybe systemd needs to be adjusted, in the rhel5/6 that i'm y! using we are using those sysvinit scripts
[17:26] <harlowja> brb
[17:36] <harlowja> ok back
[17:38]  * harlowja had to do apple security update crap
[17:38] <harlowja> anyways smoser we can debate that later, i'm fine with the next release afaik
[17:39] <harlowja> be nice to have sean here push the freesbsd stuff, but i can't seem to find him
[17:39] <harlowja> oh, i found him online
[17:39] <harlowja> lol
[17:44] <harlowja> but he's not responding, sad face
[17:44] <harlowja> lol
[17:58] <harlowja> harmw so sean is currently sucked back into the mail vortex :(
[17:58] <harmw> haha lol
[17:58] <harlowja> maybe more blackhole
[18:05] <harlowja> harmw bugging him about maybe when he'll have some time free from mail
[18:13] <harlowja> he says maybe end of this week :-/
[18:15] <harmw> ok :)


[00:03] <broder> l3on: actually, it looks like there have been a handful of uploads to the debian clang package. would you mind looking at this and seeing if they're worth merging?
[00:03] <broder> ugh, including a soname bump
[00:04] <l3on> broder, what you mean? :) I'm new in merging :P
[00:05] <broder> me too :-P
[00:06] <broder> ok, it looks like the new version of clang is being held in debian unstable because of unmet dependencies, so let's hold off on that and just fix the package for now
[00:07] <l3on> great :)
[00:10] <l3on> broder, should I send my patch somewhere?
[00:15] <broder> l3on: probably. i would start by trying to figure out if upstream clang has any multiarch-awareness. if it does, that'd be the place to send the patch
[00:15] <broder> if not, grab the latest package from debian unstable, update its ubuntu support, and file a debian bug asking very nicely if they'd take the patch
[00:17] <andersk> l3on: Have you tested that patch?  The equivalent patch didn’t work in oneiric, and I don’t see any reason for it to work in precise either.
[00:17] <broder> andersk: really? i can link simple executables with oneiric's clang package out of box
[00:17] <l3on> andersk, me too...
[00:18] <l3on> I mean... I built a package in oneiric, that fail in precise
[00:19] <l3on> bug 896668
[00:20] <andersk> Interesting.  It was still failing for me in oneiric as of 2011-10-14.  But I’ve since upgraded to precise, and I can’t reproduce on oneiric anymore.
[00:21] <broder> i'm planning to test-build and test the packages before i upload, so i'll be sure it works
[00:21] <andersk> Anyway, can we write this patch in such a way that it doesn’t automatically break every six months?
[00:22] <broder> andersk: i'm open to suggestions
[00:22] <broder> l3on: by the way, the debdiff you uploaded is missing a trailing newline, and it confuses patch. i'll work around it, just fyi
[00:23] <l3on> is it the last line, right ?
[00:23] <broder> yeah, there's no newline at the end
[00:23] <broder> andersk: but i think a long-term fix should be discussed with upstream or at least debian, and i don't think fixing the package as it exists now should block on that
[00:24] <andersk> Like, if the distributor is Ubuntu but the codename is not one of warty, hoary, …, oneiric, precise, then it must be a future Ubuntu release, so we should assume it behaves the same as precise until we learn otherwise.
[00:24] <l3on> it's strange.. when I use gmail to send patch, if the last line is empty on LP line is replaced with a blank space... strange.
[00:24] <broder> l3on: ^ you want to try and do that?
[00:24] <andersk> See http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/pipermail/cfe-dev/2011-June/015545.html for my last attempt to argue with upstream about this stupidity.
[00:26] <l3on> broder, I'll try ... :)
[00:26] <broder> l3on: ok. i'll wait to upload then
[00:26] <l3on> let me collect idea :D
[00:26] <l3on> mmm... upstream o debian?
[00:28] <andersk> Both.
[00:45] <l3on> andersk, broder → http://paste.ubuntu.com/750929/
[00:45] <l3on> what do you think about ?
[00:45] <l3on> that's the text I'll file as bug in upstream
[00:47] <andersk> Include a reference to my cfe-dev thread?  http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/pipermail/cfe-dev/2011-June/015545.html
[00:49] <andersk> I’m pretty convinced that the right upstream solution is to switch back to calling gcc as a linker wrapper, like clang 2.8 did.
[00:51] <l3on> well andersk it seems you know more then me :D
[00:51] <l3on> And I'm a bit confused about what write :P
[01:00] <l3on> broder, could you merge the clang bugs ?
[01:00] <broder> l3on: merge? we don't have bug merges, we have duplicate bugs
[01:00] <l3on> just to make a note about patch ...
[01:00] <l3on> ah ok... :)
[01:01] <l3on> anyway... bug filed in upstream and linked in LP discussion
[01:01] <l3on> we'll see
[01:01] <l3on> :)
[02:51] <andersk> No matter what happens upstream, we should probably try to get Debian to do something about this.
[02:53] <andersk> The LLVM 3.0 release is scheduled in 4 days and probably won’t have this fixed.  Debian probably won’t have 3.0 for a while after that, and 3.1 for an even longer while after that.
[05:50] <broder> ScottK: can i get you to add backportbot to ubuntu-backporters?
[05:53] <micahg> broder: umm, I wouldn't be so happy about that once ubuntu-backporters has archive perms
[05:54] <broder> micahg: it's entirely under my control
[05:54] <broder> it's equivalent to giving me access, and i'm not planning to login anywhere i wouldn't login myself
[06:02] <micahg> broder: I didn't realize we had so many old open backport requests
[06:03] <broder> neither did i until today :)
[06:03] <broder> at some point i'm also going to go through and do something with requests matching /from (dapper|edgy|feisty|gutsy|intrepid|etc)/
[06:04] <broder> (i'd mark them as incomplete if we expired bugs. as it is, i'm not sure what i'm going to do; i'm inclined to mark won't fix and encourage people to re-open)
[06:05] <micahg> broder: the thing with the bot is that it's always on (usually on a server), so if that server is somewhere that's open to the world, there's a higher level of risk involved than a personal system which is probably either not always connected or behind some type of firewall/router
[06:06] <micahg> broder: won't fix seems appropriate for the task since it's a backport per project instead of series
[06:07] <micahg> also, if we can get people to use the new requestbackport tool, that would be a win as well
[06:08] <broder> is it possible for the bot to get bug triaging powers without adding it to ubuntu-backporters?
[06:10] <micahg> well, that would require making a new bug supervisor team for the backport projects with ubuntu-backporters + whoever as members (might not be a bad idea anyways)
[06:11] <micahg> but best to discuss with ScottK when he's available
[11:37] <l3on> Debian bug 646350
[13:34] <jtaylor> what happened with this backport: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pyzmq/2.1.7-1~natty1
[13:35] <jtaylor> i386 is "building" since weeks and others never started
[13:39] <Ampelbein> Quick question about sponsor-patch. I want to use it to acknowledge sync request in bug 896849 but all I get is http://paste.ubuntu.com/751396/. What am I doing wrong?
[13:39] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: hrm, I get an OOPS when I try and look at the build record
[13:39] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: but IIRC, it was blocked on backports building against backports
[13:39] <jtaylor> me too
[13:39] <tumbleweed> Ampelbein: -s
[13:40] <tumbleweed> I guess we should improve that error...
[13:40] <jtaylor> the armel log looks weird too
[13:41] <Ampelbein> tumbleweed: Thanks. I guess there is no way to skip test building (I've done that manually before).
[13:41] <tumbleweed> were the builds killed maybe?
[13:42] <tumbleweed> Ampelbein: -u ubuntu
[13:42] <tumbleweed> (instead of -s(
[13:44] <tumbleweed> broder: Any reason backport-helper doesn't link to the tracking bug in the changelog?
[13:44] <Ampelbein> tumbleweed: Thanks. Apparently I was mistaken about what sponsor-patch does for syncs.
[13:45] <tumbleweed> ack-sync used to syncpackage
[13:45] <Ampelbein> tumbleweed: I thought it would either set bug to confirmed and add a comment like "Sync acked" OR use the lp function to sync the package from debian.
[13:45] <tumbleweed> (well, at some point we made it not do that any more)
[13:46] <tumbleweed> yeah, we aren't doing native syncs in it, because natvie syncs can't indicate sponsorship yet
[13:46] <Ampelbein> I see.
[13:47] <tumbleweed> so, yes it just adds a comment
[13:47] <tumbleweed> but leaves poking archive admins to you :)
[13:47] <Ampelbein> Hmm, ok. ;-)
[13:48] <l3on> hi all.. someone could tell me which tags I should add at debian bug 650180 ?
[13:49] <Ampelbein> Btw, this could be improved, too: http://paste.ubuntu.com/751409/
[13:50] <jtaylor> some add-needed tags
[13:50] <jtaylor> one moment
[13:50] <l3on> tnx :)
[13:50] <jtaylor> http://wiki.debian.org/ToolChain/DSOLinking#Not_resolving_symbols_in_indirect_dependent_shared_libraries
[13:51] <jtaylor> does it fail in debian?
[13:52] <l3on> jtaylor, what do you mean?... if in debian build fails ?
[13:53] <jtaylor> ah no its not add-needed
[13:53] <l3on> I'm started work with build fail in Ubuntu, as reported here: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/83736713/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-i386.metis-edf_4.1-2-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[13:54] <jtaylor> its actually underlinking which causes problem with as-needed, http://wiki.debian.org/ToolChain/DSOLinking#Only_link_with_needed_libraries
[13:54] <l3on> submitted the fist debian bug 650178
[13:54] <l3on> and then the second one :)
[13:56] <tumbleweed> Ampelbein: that simply looks like a bug (the non-test-building code paths not getting enough testing)
[13:57] <jtaylor> who do I have to talk to to get that backport issue resolved? #launchpad?
[14:00] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: I don't know what happned there, but there's no point worrying about it until bug 888665 is solved
[14:00] <jtaylor> ah ok
[14:24] <l3on> tumbleweed, one week has gone... debian bug 649322
[14:25] <l3on> should we adopt changes in ubuntu ?
[14:26] <jtaylor> no too early
[14:27] <jtaylor> we should first wait for the toolchain to be fixed
[14:28] <l3on> ok :)
[14:35] <tumbleweed> l3on: an hour after you left the channel, after filing that:
[14:35] <tumbleweed> 02:16 < cjwatson> clearsilver, in scrollback: please don't touch that
[14:36] <tumbleweed> 02:17 < cjwatson> I've contacted the security team about that one
[14:36] <tumbleweed> 02:18 < cjwatson> sigh, public bug report, I suppose it's too late
[14:37] <l3on> mmm... so I did something wrong?
[14:37] <l3on> security-issue ?!
[14:37] <tumbleweed> there's a reason we made those fail builds, yes
[14:37] <tumbleweed> many of them aren't dangerous, that one probably is
[14:38] <jtaylor> I don't see an issue with a public bug though, its a thing gcc can detect since years, anyone who wants to use that knows about it anyway already
[14:38] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: yeah, it was there for anyone who was looking for it
[14:39] <tumbleweed> l3on: you did nothing wrong. You could have contacted the security team in private, if you'd realised the security risks with it, but maybe someone else would have come along and filed a bug...
[15:05] <cjwatson> l3on: clearsilver> that was an exploitable security hole, yes
[15:06] <cjwatson> l3on: I sent mail to security teams with (IIRC) the same patch, before you looked at it; haven't heard anything back though
[15:06] <cjwatson> because I thought it might benefit from a coordinated release
[15:06] <cjwatson> it's true that anyone looking for it could have found it
[15:07] <jtaylor> might be worse increasing the severty of the bug then?
[15:07] <cjwatson> jtaylor: "we should first wait for the toolchain to be fixed" - what fix would that be then?
[15:07] <jtaylor> cjwatson: fixed in the sense that it does not change anymore
[15:07] <jtaylor> I heard error=format-security may be disabled depending on the next rebuild
[15:09] <cjwatson> I think you're out of date - I already disabled it in dpkg-buildpackage, but dpkg-buildflags still exports it
[15:09] <cjwatson> in any case, that's no reason to delay a package upload
[15:09] <cjwatson> I'll bump that Debian bug to grave now
[15:10] <cjwatson> oh, huh, I didn't send a patch, silly me
[15:12] <cjwatson> l3on: anyway, sorry, I didn't mean to snark really, you had no way of knowing I'd already looked at that
[15:32] <Laney> how far back can we use .orig.tar.bz2?
[15:32] <l3on> cjwatson, sorry, that was my fault ... I'm not so good understanding severity of bugs ... I need more practice :D
[15:33] <tumbleweed> l3on: erm, nothing here is your fault at all :)
[15:34] <l3on> :)
[15:38] <cjwatson> Laney: anything that supports 3.0 (quilt), so dpkg (>= 1.14.17), i.e. >= intrepid
[15:38] <Laney> cheers
[17:30] <broder> tumbleweed: that's not a backport-helper thing; it's happening at a lower level (i think mass-sync? but i'm not sure). i don't know why it's done that way
[17:30] <tumbleweed> ah, right
[17:30] <broder> probably because there's a fair amount of shared code with syncs
[17:32] <tumbleweed> of course, this is something else that LP will have to implement natively before our archive admins can lose shell access
[17:33] <broder> actually, at the TB meeting, we talked about just using backportpackage and uploading directly
[17:33] <broder> but that would block on backporters being able to process the queue
[17:33] <tumbleweed> yeah
[18:41] <Ampelbein> tumbleweed: Can you test something for me: 'lp-shell staging' and then do 'lp.bugs[851798].subscriptions[1].canBeUnsubscribedByUser()' Does that result true or false?
[18:42] <tumbleweed> True
[18:42] <Ampelbein> ok, thanks.
[18:42] <tumbleweed> err that's ubuntu-release
[18:42] <tumbleweed> ah, I was'nt on staging
[18:42] <Ampelbein> tumbleweed: Huh?
[18:42] <Ampelbein> ah
[18:43] <tumbleweed> right, still True
[18:43] <tumbleweed> I think the problem here was that PersonTeam is a wrapper around the launchpadlib object
[18:43] <tumbleweed> so == was never true
[18:44] <Ampelbein> Aye. The problem should be gone with the variable.
[18:45] <Ampelbein> There was another problem, if the sponsors team wasn't sub[0], a "Couldn't unsubscribe" would have been issued anyways.
[18:52] <Ampelbein> tumbleweed: ok, pushed a fix. It works for me now.