[06:17] <AlanBell> no
[06:38] <dpm> good morning all
[07:25] <nigelb> AlanBell: no?
[07:31] <AlanBell> no I am not still arround
[07:31] <nigelb> AlanBell: Yeah, I can see that :P
[07:34] <dholbach> good morning
[07:35] <pleia2> morning, dholbach!
[07:35] <dholbach> hey pleia2
[07:36] <nigelb> Hello dholbach
[07:36] <nigelb> Hey pleia2!
[07:36] <dholbach> hey nigelb
[07:36] <pleia2> hey nigelb!
[07:52] <nigelb> dholbach: Any idea why the db on loco.ubuntu.com is very unhappy?
[07:52]  * nigelb has had plenty of emails
[07:57] <dholbach> nigelb, no idea at all
[07:57] <dholbach> was there a new release?
[07:57] <dholbach> I'd suggest asking in #canonical-sysadmin
[07:58] <nigelb> dholbach: I was planning on doing that after talking to mhall119 first. Till then my inbox gets decimated :)
[09:51] <czajkowski> Good morning
[09:52] <czajkowski> turns out new pain killer knocks me out within 10 mins of taking it and I slept for over 14 hrs
[10:03] <daker> LoL http://www.apple.com/macosx/whats-new/features.html#launchpad
[10:04] <daker> also i think the logo is inspired from GC
[12:21] <vish> daker: GC ?
[12:22] <AlanBell> doctormo's ground control
[12:24] <vish> oh..
[12:24] <vish> anyone seen https://help.launchpad.net/logo/submissions  ? ;)
[12:41] <paultag> Ugh, crud!
[12:42] <paultag> Can anyone take my spot today with community week?
[12:42] <paultag> I'm having a crazy day at work and I don't know if I can be there 100%
[12:42] <paultag> so I need to find a backup if I can't show up
[13:05] <maco> daker: finding apps on osx without spotlight is one of the things i always hated. and then i learned about spotlight. but srsly Go -> Applications -> *scroll forever* -> click
[13:34] <mhall119> nigelb: ping
[13:37] <czajkowski> jcastro: interesting topic you raised on the mL
[15:13] <jcastro> hey, can you all see this url? http://www.google.com/latitude/apps/badge/api?user=-1500431013509492386&type=iframe&maptype=roadmap
[15:14] <dholbach> jcastro, are you at Albert Ave with a beer in your hand?
[15:15] <vish> dholbach: hehe!
[15:17] <vish> paultag: gangsta ipsum for you » http://www.lorizzle.nl/
[15:19] <jcastro> dholbach: I certainly am!
[15:20] <czajkowski> jcastro: with regards to endorcement on a candidates wiki page, I try adn go through pages the day before and if I notice a really good wiki page lacking some I do tend to poke people to get a few extra ones. one example last month was a canonical employee and while I know he has done a lot of work he only had 2 endorecements.
[15:20] <czajkowski> jcastro: granted 1 from mdz and second was from ara  so I know both were good, but given the team he was on there should have been more.
[15:22] <jcastro> there
[15:22] <jcastro> now you can all keep tabs on me!
[15:24] <nigelb> yay
[15:24] <jussi> I love open source stuff, especially when it works so well out of the box :D
[15:25] <mhall119> jussi: +1
[15:25] <jussi> mhall119: Im suprised, Ive never seen a CMS+store have so good defaults :D
[15:26] <mhall119> jussi: what project?
[15:26] <jussi> mhall119: joomla+virtuemart
[15:32] <jono> dpm, ready to hang?
[15:32] <dpm> jono, all set!
[15:34] <jono> dpm, invite sent
[15:46] <dholbach> alright my friends
[15:46] <dholbach> I call it a day
[15:47] <dholbach> see you all tomorrow!
[15:47] <dholbach> HUGS
[15:51] <nigelb> wenzel: paultag you're not goign to make it?
[15:51] <nigelb> err
[15:51] <nigelb> paultag: ^^
[17:15] <paultag> Any hotshot Java programmers want to become immortal?
[17:16] <paultag> I'm totally 100% stummped by something. Here's a chance to outwit me :)
[17:19] <mhall119> paultag: shoot
[17:19] <paultag> mhall119: System.out.println("2 == " + (Math.pow(51, 13) % (77)));
[17:19] <paultag> mhall119: according to my math, and my algorithm, it should be 2
[17:20] <paultag> but it returns 2 == 70.0
[17:20] <paultag> oh yeah and WolframAlpha agrees with my math
[17:21] <mhall119> so that (51^13) % 77, correct?
[17:21] <paultag> mhall119: fifty-one to the power of 13, modulo 77
[17:21] <paultag> yessir
[17:21] <nhandler> Strange, http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%2851^13%29+mod+77 gives 2
[17:22] <paultag> nigelb: that's right. My math is right, and it should be 2
[17:22] <paultag> sorry nhandler *
[17:23] <nhandler> paultag: I'd try breaking it up. Get rid of the Math.pow and replace it with its actual value. Maybe also try removing the () around the 77. I don't have java installed to test things though
[17:24] <paultag> nhandler: tried the paren issue, no luck
[17:24] <paultag> the real number it's self is huge, I can't paste it in
[17:24] <mhall119> yeah, do: double superBigNumber = Math.pow(51, 13);
[17:24] <mhall119> print that out
[17:24] <paultag> and DOUBLE_MAX is (2-2^52)*2^1023
[17:24] <paultag> mhall119: it
[17:24] <paultag> mhall119: it's not an overflow, and the Math.pow works as expected
[17:24] <mhall119> then double notSoBigBumber = superBigNumber % 77
[17:25] <mhall119> paultag: then % isn't?
[17:25] <paultag> That's what I'm thinking
[17:25] <paultag> but I can't imagine there's that much of an issue with a core operator
[17:25] <paultag> mhall119: this algorithm works for smaller values, so I think it has to be an overflow, but it can't be because it's not that big
[17:26] <pleia2> anyone wanna play mhall119 and ask some loco council questions in -classroom for czajkowski to answer to suppliment her talk?
[17:26] <paultag> Let me try a BigInteger
[17:26] <pleia2> err -classroom-chat
[17:26] <mhall119> paultag: try casting everything as a double before using it
[17:27] <paultag> mhall119: already tried, and changed types to double
[17:27] <paultag> mhall119: fail
[17:27] <paultag> I'm getting ticked off
[17:27] <czajkowski> paultag: so yer crankytabby then ;)
[17:27] <paultag> OK, I'm going to rewrite with BigInteger
[17:27] <paultag> czajkowski: ♥
[17:27] <paultag> yeah I am
[17:27] <mhall119> paultag: can I ask *why* you're doing this?
[17:27] <paultag> mhall119: org.anized.rsa :)
[17:27] <paultag> mhall119: doing some super-huge prime number work
[17:28] <paultag> mhall119: it works for low primes, but barfs when I start amping it up
[17:28] <mhall119> hmmm
[17:29] <mhall119> paultag: which JVM?
[17:29] <paultag> mhall119: winblows up-to-date
[17:30] <mhall119> you mean Sun/Oracle's JVM?
[17:30] <mhall119> or the Microsoft one?
[17:30] <paultag> mhall119: the Sun/Oracle one on Microshaft
[17:40] <paultag> mhall119: stackoverflow solved it. Perscision loss because of a big value. Going with BigInteger is the right solution :)
[17:41] <mhall119> IEEE floating point representation?
[17:41] <paultag> mhall119: no, I was using doubles (two of the IEEE floating points mooshed together)
[17:42] <paultag> mhall119: BigInt will just use more memory as values get bigger
[17:42] <paultag> float won't cut it atm
[17:42] <mhall119> k
[17:42] <paultag> Now I have to rewrite that using BigInteger, which has the added bonus os leaving out decimals
[17:42] <paultag> which rulez
[17:49] <nigelb> \o/
[17:50] <nigelb> my launchpad patch works after 2 to 3 days of trying to get it to work.
[18:20] <mhall119> why are you hacking on Launchpad instead of summit?
[18:21] <mhall119> :P
[19:16] <JanC> http://epfsug.eu/blog-entry/unity-hit-parade --> if anybody needs a presentation about Unity, (ubuntu-be's) Wouter's Inkscape/Sozi-based presentation got some real attention ☺
[19:17] <JanC> the presentation itself: http://techprojectmasters.com/EPFSUG/unity.svg
[19:58] <nigelb> mhall119: I'm hacking on bits that are relevant for UDS.
[19:58] <nigelb> mhall119: Just got the subscribers to a blueprint sorted alphabetically
[19:58] <mhall119> nigelb: can you add the ability to call the API using only the identity URL?
[19:58] <mhall119> that would be great
[19:59] <nigelb> mhall119: I didn't understand what you meant, which probably means I don't know enough to do that.
[19:59] <nigelb> Most of my fixes have  been one line fixes followed by 20 to 30 liens of test cases
[20:00] <mhall119> nigelb: a way to access LP data about a user given their SSO ID only, not their LP profile username
[20:03] <nigelb> mhall119: I wouldn't dare touch that bit.
[20:03] <nigelb> Its painful.
[20:03] <nigelb> There's probably stakeholder stuff there.
[20:11] <pleia2> popey: thanks :)
[20:11] <popey> heh
[20:11] <popey> sorry for messing things about
[20:11] <popey> figured it was best
[20:13] <czajkowski> is it a case of #blamepopey :)
[20:14] <popey> probably
[20:14] <popey> usually is
[20:14] <pleia2> no, he saved us <3
[20:16] <czajkowski> oh jolly good
[20:22] <mhall119> #praisepopey
[20:27]  * popey falls over
[20:31] <mhall119> #raisepopey
[20:32]  * popey burns
[20:32] <mhall119> #extinguishpopey
[20:36]  * popey fizzes
[20:39] <mhall119> I'm not sure how to respond to that one
[20:39] <mhall119> #verbpopey
[20:39] <nigelb> #+qpopey :P
[20:40] <nigelb> k. bed. later.
[20:41] <mhall119> lol
[20:41] <mhall119> late night eh nigelb?
[20:51] <czajkowski> jcastro: that is some long winded thread you've started sir!
[21:08] <daker> 03
[21:09] <daker> oops :/
[21:16] <AlanBell> seems Glee did a version of the twisted sister song


[19:43] <johnf1911> I have an upstart question :)
[19:44] <johnf1911> I read the getting started guide, I'm using upstart (and upstart-compat-sysv)
[19:44] <johnf1911> I want mythtv-backend to only start once mysql is running
[19:44] <johnf1911> since both of these are being run out of init scripts, I assume I'd need to relocate them to /etc/events.d ?
[19:44] <johnf1911> is there some kind of skeleton events script?


[16:34] <tyhicks> hello
[16:34] <tsimonq2> Why hello sir :P
[16:34]  * sbeattie waves
[16:35] <tyhicks> #startmeeting
[16:35] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Jul 20 16:35:07 2015 UTC.  The chair is tyhicks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[16:35] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[16:35] <tyhicks> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[16:35] <tyhicks> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[16:35] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:35] <tyhicks> jdstrand: you're up
[16:36] <jdstrand> hi!
[16:37] <jdstrand> I've got an embargoed issue I am working on
[16:37] <jdstrand> I also plan to pickup an openstack update this week
[16:38] <jdstrand> I gathered up some ufw patches and will try to release 0.34 this week, time permitting
[16:38] <jdstrand> I'll also look at trello and see what's up next
[16:39] <jdstrand> m deslaur is out, sbeattie, you're up
[16:39] <sbeattie> I'm on security bug triage this week.
[16:40] <sbeattie> I've also got a preliminary apparmor 2.10 package for wily prepared and have done some local testing with, that I'm hoping to have sponsered later this week.
[16:40] <tyhicks> nice :)
[16:41] <sbeattie> I'm trying to find out what's up with upstream icedtea releases, as we need to prepare updates for openjdk
[16:41] <sbeattie> I also have some arm64 and kernel 4.1 qrt test failures to track down.
[16:42] <sbeattie> And I'm also trying to find time for gcc-pie.
[16:42] <sbeattie> that's pretty much my week. tyhicks?
[16:42] <tyhicks> sbeattie: did I understand correctly that you plan on doing openjdk updates this week?
[16:43] <sbeattie> yes
[16:44] <sbeattie> it's a bit contingent on seeing an upstream icedtea release.
[16:44] <tyhicks> ok
[16:45] <sbeattie> they announced a new 2.6.0 release, but nothing for older releases yet.
[16:45] <tyhicks> sbeattie: that's a full week - put gcc-pie on the backburner and revisit it next week
[16:45] <tyhicks> I'm on cve triage this week
[16:46] <tyhicks> I'm working on several embargoed issues
[16:46] <tyhicks> I still need to review the kdbus LSM hook patch set
[16:46] <tyhicks> Verify kernel auditing bug fix in the phone images (LP: #1473584)
[16:46] <tyhicks> Investigate supportability of io.js
[16:46] <tyhicks> that's it for me
[16:46] <tyhicks> jjohansen: you're up
[16:47] <jjohansen> I have an embargoed issue I am working on
[16:47] <jjohansen> and then I am going to finish up the fix for bug #1448912
[16:48] <jjohansen> and get together a pull request for the kernel team, and patch series for upstream
[16:50] <jjohansen> then if I am really lucky I'll look into overlayfs issues
[16:51] <jjohansen> I think that is it from me, sarnold you are up
[16:51] <sarnold> I'm in the happy place this week; I'm going to finish the ppc64-diag follow-on MIR audits today or tomorrow, and then I'll be free to pick up an update
[16:51] <sarnold> that's it for me, chrisccoulson?
[16:52] <chrisccoulson> I'm hoping to have a less crazy week this week - I plan to get Thunderbird 31.8.0 out today. Also, people have been asking why we're not updating to Thunderbird 38.1.0 yet (yeah, terrible version numbering), so I've opened bug 1476169 and plan to upload it to proposed
[16:53] <chrisccoulson> I'll also be preparing the next Oxide release
[16:53] <chrisccoulson> Other than that, I've got a tonne of Oxide reviews to work through
[16:53] <chrisccoulson> I think that's me done
[16:56] <tyhicks> chrisccoulson: here's to a sane week in the browser security world :)
[16:56] <tyhicks> thanks!
[16:56] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[16:56] <tyhicks> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[16:56] <tyhicks> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[16:56] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/sssd.html
[16:56] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/squidclamav.html
[16:56] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/ncpfs.html
[16:56] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/nusoap.html
[16:56] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/php-mail.html
[16:56] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[16:56] <tyhicks> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[16:58] <tyhicks> jdstrand, sbeattie, jjohansen, sarnold, ChrisCoulson: Thanks!
[16:58] <tyhicks> #endmeeting
[16:58] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Jul 20 16:58:46 2015 UTC.
[16:58] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-07-20-16.35.moin.txt
[16:59] <jdstrand> tyhicks: thank you!
[17:00] <sarnold> thanks tyhicks :)
[17:00] <jjohansen> thanks tyhicks
[17:02] <sbeattie> tyhicks: thanks!
[19:04] <micahg_work> !dmb-ping
[19:04]  * xnox 0
[19:04] <cyphermox> o/
[19:04]  * xnox 0/
[19:04] <coreycb> o/
[19:04] <bdmurray> o/
[19:05] <micahg_work> #startmeeting DMB
[19:05] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Jul 20 19:05:52 2015 UTC.  The chair is micahg_work. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[19:05] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[19:06] <micahg_work> Welcome to the DMB meeting
[19:06] <micahg_work> #topic Review previous action items
[19:07] <micahg_work> #subtopic Laney get with CC to get the voting rules documented
[19:07] <micahg_work> I believe this was done
[19:07] <micahg_work> #subtopic micahg to get Noskcaj feedback
[19:07] <micahg_work> I still need to do this
[19:07] <micahg_work> #subtopic micahg to call for nominations to fill soon to be empty DMB seat
[19:07] <micahg_work> this was done as well as the election
[19:08] <micahg_work> #topic Confirm DMB election result
[19:08] <cyphermox> yep
[19:08] <micahg_work> anyone have the results link handy?
[19:08] <cyphermox> http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_f7044c9c0a0f68b6
[19:08] <cyphermox> sorry, [LINK] http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_f7044c9c0a0f68b6
[19:09] <micahg_work> thanks
[19:09] <cyphermox> ugh, whatever it is ^
[19:09] <micahg_work> #link http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_f7044c9c0a0f68b6
[19:09] <micahg_work> #vote DMB to affirm election results at http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_f7044c9c0a0f68b6
[19:09] <meetingology> Please vote on: DMB to affirm election results at http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_f7044c9c0a0f68b6
[19:09] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[19:09] <micahg_work> +1
[19:09] <meetingology> +1 received from micahg_work
[19:09] <cyphermox> +1
[19:09] <meetingology> +1 received from cyphermox
[19:10] <xnox> +1
[19:10] <meetingology> +1 received from xnox
[19:10] <micahg_work> We have a +1 from Laney as well
[19:11] <micahg_work> bdmurray, ^^
[19:11] <bdmurray> +1
[19:11] <meetingology> +1 received from bdmurray
[19:11] <micahg_work> #endvote
[19:11] <meetingology> Voting ended on: DMB to affirm election results at http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_f7044c9c0a0f68b6
[19:11] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[19:11] <meetingology> Motion carried
[19:11] <cyphermox> infinity: you've been confirmed as a new DMB member
[19:11] <micahg_work> Congrats to infinity on being elected to the DMB to fill the remainder of ScottK's term
[19:11] <micahg_work> well
[19:11] <micahg_work> technically I think we now forward to TB and they have to approve :)
[19:12] <cyphermox> bah ;)
[19:12] <micahg_work> #action micahg to send E-Mail to TB with election results and DMB affirmation and ask for approval/team changes
[19:12] <meetingology> ACTION: micahg to send E-Mail to TB with election results and DMB affirmation and ask for approval/team changes
[19:13] <micahg_work> paperwork...
[19:13] <ScottK> Don't forget to update the dmb ping.
[19:13] <micahg_work> hrm, Laney isn't here for the next item...
[19:14] <micahg_work> #action micahg to ask IRC team to update dmb-ping once team updates happen
[19:14] <meetingology> ACTION: micahg to ask IRC team to update dmb-ping once team updates happen
[19:15] <micahg_work> let's start with applications
[19:15]  * micahg_work is looking for Unit193 quickly
[19:16] <micahg_work> ok, moving to coreycb since he's here
[19:17] <coreycb> o/
[19:17] <coreycb> Hi
[19:17] <micahg_work> #topic applications for ubuntu-server upload rights for Corey Bryant
[19:17] <micahg_work> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CoreyBryant/UbuntuServerDeveloperApplication
[19:22] <bdmurray> coreycb: Could you tell us a bit about yourself?
[19:22] <xnox> micahg: seems to have network problems.
[19:22] <coreycb> Sure
[19:22] <micahg_work> yes, sorry
[19:23] <xnox> coreycb: how do you envision openstack moving to python3 only? python3 only in Ubuntu?
[19:23] <coreycb> I work on OpenStack packaging and it's dependencies for Ubuntu.
[19:23] <coreycb> well we've started to migrate the python clients to python3
[19:24] <coreycb> So it's in the works, and upstream is also working to move to python3
[19:24] <coreycb> A little more about myself..
[19:25] <doko> wily will be 3.5 as the default
[19:25] <coreycb> I've been packaging since early 2014
[19:25] <coreycb> and have since started to take over a lot of the SRUs
[19:25] <coreycb> and have contributed a decent amount to the new release (liberty)
[19:26] <coreycb> so having upload rights would be a big help for streamlining our process, and take some load off of zul and jamespage
[19:27] <infinity> coreycb: Would be a better question for Chuck or James, but I'll trust you to answer honestly: On average, when they're sponsoring for you, how often would you say they find issues you need to fix?
[19:28] <coreycb> infinity, less than 5% I'd say
[19:28] <coreycb> typically I consult with them before issues come up
[19:29] <infinity> coreycb: And, I assume, with upload rights, that process won't change?  You'll still ask for input from your peers if something seems a bit off or needs another set of eyes?
[19:29] <xnox> coreycb: could you describe in general terms what stages a package goes through from upload by developer, until it reaches the users of the development release wily? why might it not reach those users?
[19:30] <coreycb> infinity, definitely
[19:30] <coreycb> xnox, sure
[19:30] <coreycb> well most packages start in debian obviously
[19:30] <coreycb> and we have to do a lot of syncs and merges with debian
[19:31] <coreycb> and once those packages are in universe we need to get them into main for many of the openstack packages, the supported ones
[19:31] <coreycb> when uploading, we'll upload to wily-proposed
[19:32] <coreycb> and the packages then move to wily-updates (post release)
[19:32] <coreycb> or straight to wily pocket pre-release
[19:32] <xnox> ok.
[19:32] <infinity> coreycb: I think he was asking for all the proposed -> ??, ??, ?? -> release steps in between. ;)
[19:33] <xnox> coreycb: and why/how things might not end up in the wily pocket pre-release?
[19:33] <xnox> (second part of the question)
[19:33] <coreycb> xnox, right so issues might occur with autopkgtesting
[19:33] <coreycb> in migration to proposed
[19:34] <coreycb> we'd need to evaulate various issues that could occur in update excuses
[19:34] <xnox> ok. sounds good.
[19:36] <coreycb> infinity, so yeah wily-proposed to -> wily-updates -> cloud archive might be what you're looking for
[19:36] <xnox> coreycb: in update excuses what does "missing build on amd64" mean? is that a problem for a pure-python package (arch:all)?
[19:36] <infinity> coreycb: So, historically, openstack packages have suffered two major issues in proposed-migration.  One just being new deps that cause a transition/blockage and need MIRs and the like to sort out.  You've been really good about keeping on top of that (thanks).
[19:36] <infinity> coreycb: The other major issue is that sometimes autopkgtest regressions go unnoticed/unresolved for weeks.  Do you have a plan to make sure that happens less often, and how?
[19:37]  * xnox is mostly asking silly questions cause i naver worked/sponsored coreycb thus try to probe where on contributor - core-dev spectrum the applicant is.
[19:37] <coreycb> xnox, no I don't think that's an issue for a pure python package since it's interpreted
[19:37] <xnox> coreycb: what does FTBFS mean?
[19:37] <coreycb> fails to build from source
[19:37] <infinity> coreycb: xnox's question was (unintentionally?) a trick question, BTW, since amd64 is the arch that builds arch:all packages in vivid and later. :)
[19:38] <doko> do you known how to fix it?
[19:38] <coreycb> doko, ftbfs?
[19:38] <doko> heh, yes
[19:38] <xnox> coreycb: ... thus there would be no binary .deb of a said python package if it fails to build from source.
[19:39] <coreycb> doko, it probably depends, but recently I diagnosed an ftbfs in the cloud archive for liberty and tests were failing due to a missing dep
[19:39] <doko> and how do you become aware of packages that ftbfs which you don't upload yourself?
[19:39] <coreycb> doko, well in that case it was the cloud archive so we have a mailing list for that
[19:40] <coreycb> doko, I think here -- http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/ftbfs/
[19:40] <xnox> coreycb: "no I don't think that's an issue for a pure python package since it's interpreted" this is wrong by the way. "missing build on amd64" means .deb was never created for this package, and it means it never got build and will not propagate. It could be that it is failing to build from source (like you said bugs/errors in testsuite etc) or it could be in dep-wait state (build dependencies not satisfied). When in dep-wait state launchpad
[19:40] <xnox> doesn't even attempt to build the packages.
[19:40] <bdmurray> micahg_work: I don't we need Laney for the input-methods discussion
[19:40] <xnox> coreycb: and yeah, tricky cause amd64 compiles _all.deb packages for us (as infinity said)
[19:41] <xnox> in willy.
[19:41] <micahg_work> bdmurray, right, I noticed the comment in his email and I'm ready to bring it up once we're done with this topic
[19:42] <coreycb> infinity, sorry I missed your qeustion
[19:42] <infinity> coreycb: S'ok, you're kinda getting slammed from all sides here. :P
[19:43] <xnox> infinity: but so far the answers are handled well, for the archive rights application is for.
[19:43] <xnox> imho.
[19:43] <coreycb> infinity, re autopkgtest regressions.  setting time aside each week to evaluate things like component mismatches, or update excuses, or bug triaging is something I need to do.
[19:43] <micahg_work> coreycb, on that topic, Laney noticed that your last two uploads seem to be stuck in dependency wait status, have you been working on resolving that?
[19:43] <coreycb> infinity, :)
[19:44] <xnox> coreycb: have you ever participated in a transition? e.g. migration to a new major version of something rather (python, boost, gcc, or any other smaller libraries)?
[19:44] <coreycb> micahg_work, yes, well liberty is a new release now so it's really in some of the busiest parts of the openstack packaging release lifecycle
[19:44] <coreycb> micahg_work, so some things do need attention but yeah it's a balance, and we have a list of done and to-do :)
[19:46] <coreycb> xnox, If I understand your question, we're about to do that with openstack actually, as they're moving to a new versioning scheme
[19:46] <coreycb> xnox, so we'll need to add an epoch to the version
[19:47] <xnox> coreycb: ack. sounds good.
[19:47] <xnox> coreycb: you might find transition tracker useful for that. It takes syntax to mark things as good/bad and then one can easily track progress of such things.
[19:48] <micahg_work> coreycb, right, I understand there are chicken and egg issues, I was wondering if you've followed up at all and if so, what's happening with those packages' dependencies
[19:48] <xnox> E.g. here is the tracker for upcomming libstdc++ abi transition http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/libstdc++6.html
[19:48] <coreycb> xnox, thanks I'll look into that
[19:48] <coreycb> micahg_work, did you have one in particular?
[19:49] <coreycb> micahg_work, we probably have some MIRs being settled
[19:49] <micahg_work> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/heat/1:5.0.0~b1-0ubuntu1/+build/7628909
[19:49] <micahg_work> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ceilometer/1:5.0.0~b1-0ubuntu2/+build/7635433
[19:50] <coreycb> micahg_work, heat is waiting on python-designateclient which we have an MIR open for
[19:50] <coreycb> and is dependent on a new python-cliff which is working it's way through from debian
[19:52] <coreycb> micahg_work, ceilometer is waiting on python-awsauth, we have an MIR open for that too
[19:56] <micahg_work> so, heat needs the new python-cliff or python-designateclient?
[19:58] <coreycb> heat needs python-designateclient and python-designateclient needs python-cliff, but I don't see cliff in component mismatches so maybe it's ok.  I need to check rmadison to see what version we haven ow.
[19:58] <coreycb> s/ow/now
[19:59] <coreycb> micahg_work, ah.
[20:00] <coreycb> micahg_work, I believe we have a new version of python-designateclient in debian we need to sync
[20:01] <micahg_work> coreycb, so, is this a requirement of the MIR or of heat?
[20:02] <micahg_work> (new version that is)
[20:02] <coreycb> micahg_work, no actually sorry I think I'm just confusing things
[20:02] <micahg_work> ok
[20:05] <coreycb> micahg_work, I'm not sure why python-designateclient isn't in main yet.  The MIR's been fix committed.
[20:05] <coreycb> it appears to be building ok
[20:05] <coreycb> I might just need to poke the release team
[20:06] <micahg_work> right, I was wondering if you or your team regularly follow up on those
[20:06] <coreycb> micahg_work, we do yes, I'm starting to
[20:06] <micahg_work> great
[20:06] <micahg_work> ok, any other questions
[20:07] <coreycb> micahg_work, none from me :)
[20:08] <micahg_work> #vote Corey Bryant (coreycb) to get upload rights to the Ubuntu Server packageset
[20:08] <meetingology> Please vote on: Corey Bryant (coreycb) to get upload rights to the Ubuntu Server packageset
[20:08] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[20:09] <bdmurray> +1
[20:09] <meetingology> +1 received from bdmurray
[20:09] <xnox> +1
[20:09] <meetingology> +1 received from xnox
[20:09] <cyphermox> +1
[20:09] <meetingology> +1 received from cyphermox
[20:10] <micahg_work> +1
[20:10] <meetingology> +1 received from micahg_work
[20:11] <micahg_work> #endvote
[20:11] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Corey Bryant (coreycb) to get upload rights to the Ubuntu Server packageset
[20:11] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[20:11] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:11] <micahg_work> coreycb, congrats
[20:11] <xnox> =)
[20:11] <coreycb> thank you very much!
[20:11] <cyphermox> coreycb: congrats!
[20:11] <coreycb> I appreciate your time and questions, thanks again.
[20:12] <micahg_work> #action micahg or other DMB member to add coreycb to Ubuntu Server uploaders
[20:12] <meetingology> ACTION: micahg or other DMB member to add coreycb to Ubuntu Server uploaders
[20:13] <micahg_work> ok, let's quickly go through the input methods item
[20:13] <bdmurray> +1
[20:13] <bdmurray> was I too quick?
[20:14] <micahg_work> #topic input-methods packageset criteria change
[20:14] <micahg_work> #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-July/000811.html
[20:14] <micahg_work> are we ready for a vote?
[20:14]  * bdmurray is
[20:14] <cyphermox> I am
[20:15] <micahg_work> #vote New input methods packageset criteria based on Laney's suggestion in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-July/000811.html
[20:15] <meetingology> Please vote on: New input methods packageset criteria based on Laney's suggestion in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-July/000811.html
[20:15] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[20:15] <xnox> against what should i run sed -r -ne 's/^im:([^:]*:)*(.*)$/\2/p'
[20:15] <xnox> > >> >language-selector-*/data/pkg_depends | sort -u ?
[20:15]  * xnox wants to double check sanity
[20:16] <micahg_work> run it in a dir that where you grab the language selector source IIRC
[20:17] <xnox> +1
[20:17] <meetingology> +1 received from xnox
[20:17] <bdmurray> +1
[20:17] <meetingology> +1 received from bdmurray
[20:17] <xnox> checked that and the rest of the request.
[20:17] <cyphermox> +1
[20:17] <meetingology> +1 received from cyphermox
[20:18] <micahg_work> +1
[20:18] <meetingology> +1 received from micahg_work
[20:18] <micahg_work> and we have a +1 from Laney as well
[20:18] <micahg_work> #endvote
[20:18] <meetingology> Voting ended on: New input methods packageset criteria based on Laney's suggestion in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-July/000811.html
[20:18] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[20:18] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:18] <micahg_work> #topic AOB
[20:20] <micahg_work> #info The DMB would like to thank Scott Kitterman for his years of service on the DMB.
[20:21] <micahg_work> next chair is bdmurray
[20:21] <micahg_work> #endmeeting
[20:21] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Jul 20 20:21:25 2015 UTC.
[20:21] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-07-20-19.05.moin.txt
[20:21] <micahg_work> thanks everyone, sorry that we went a little over
[22:50] <czajkowski> slangasek: hey when is the next TB meeting ?
[22:52] <slangasek> czajkowski: 2015-07-21 17:00 BST, just as I've retroactively edited https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda to show
[22:54] <czajkowski> slangasek: thanks


[00:29] <InHisName> Borat is a big tweeter or sumthin' ?
[01:40] <GeekyAdam> hi all
[01:41] <GeekyAdam> been a little while since ive been back, server was a little fritzy and i was a little lazy :/
[01:41] <MutantTurkey> hey
[01:44] <GeekyAdam> so i installed 10.04 on an older laptop. i decided to upgrade to 11.10. 4 hours later, its running slower than it did with 10.04.
[01:47] <MutantTurkey> aye.
[01:51] <GeekyAdam> havent tried gnome3 yet, someone give me a subjective gnome2 vs gnome3 vs unity as far as speed goes on a lower end CPU
[01:52] <GeekyAdam> im assuming its gnome2 > gnome3 > unity?
[01:53] <MutantTurkey> try tde
[01:53] <MutantTurkey> I hear its nifty
[01:53]  * MutantTurkey selflessly selling my soul
[02:14] <rmg51> gnome3 might not work on an older computer
[02:14] <rmg51> there is gnome classic
[02:14] <MutantTurkey> gnome2 or kde3 is what I say. or xfce
[02:15] <MutantTurkey> xfce ~ gnome2
[02:15] <rmg51> classic sucks though
[02:15] <MutantTurkey> gnome classic?
[02:15] <rmg51> I went with xfce
[02:17] <rmg51> looks like gnome2 but without the ability to customize it
[02:18] <rmg51> no right click on the panels
[02:19] <rmg51> gnome3 doesn't run very well on my two older laptops
[02:20] <MutantTurkey> xfce should actually run faster than gnome2
[02:21] <rmg51> basically unusable
[10:14] <JonathanD> Morning.
[10:14] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[10:15] <JonathanD> Hey rmg51
[10:16] <JonathanD> My games are still downloading :/
[12:25] <waltman> games?
[12:25] <JonathanD> games.
[12:25] <JonathanD> waltman: I'm building my gaming machine.
[12:26] <JonathanD> Or my holdover until I have a real gaming machine gaming machine.
[12:32] <waltman> But why are you downloading them?
[12:35] <InHisName> morning
[12:47] <JonathanD> waltman: so I can play them.
[12:47] <JonathanD> The machine is (mostly) functional.
[12:48] <JonathanD> They're on steam.
[12:57] <InHisName> izzat a steam punk machine ?
[12:58] <JonathanD> yes.
[13:10] <teddy-dbear> morning
[13:30] <ChinnoDog> meh, morning
[19:14] <GeekyAdam> just did my first remote-server ssh tunnel so i could scp from an internal computer on a remote network
[19:14] <GeekyAdam> cool stuff
[19:15] <EvilResistance> *yawn*
[19:15] <EvilResistance> what day is this?
[19:15] <EvilResistance> :P
[19:15]  * EvilResistance has been playing Call fo Duty MW3 for the longest time :p
[19:15] <GeekyAdam> hey now. we all enjoy our first times...
[19:15] <GeekyAdam> BF3 > MW3
[19:15] <GeekyAdam> yeah, i said it
[19:16] <EvilResistance> GeekyAdam:  i cant run BF3
[19:16] <EvilResistance> fscking hardware
[19:17] <EvilResistance> but MW3 can run well strangely enough
[19:17] <GeekyAdam> yeah i dont have it yet either
[19:17] <GeekyAdam> still playing WoW on an Athlon FX 64 >.<
[19:17]  * EvilResistance owns MW3 because he preordered it a while ago xD
[19:18] <EvilResistance> i preordered it on Steam (for the PC) to get the extra copy of COD4
[19:18] <EvilResistance> :P
[19:18] <GeekyAdam> old mobo cant handle decent multi-core CPUs so need to upgrade mobo, mem, cpu, and prob vid card. basically whole new pc.
[19:18]  * EvilResistance lost his COD4 CD, so...
[19:18] <GeekyAdam> nice
[19:18] <EvilResistance> yeah i'm going to need to overhaul my desktop
[19:18] <EvilResistance> replace basically everything...
[19:18] <EvilResistance> mobo,  memory, CPU, Video Card...
[19:19] <GeekyAdam> giving current triple monitor setup to gf when we move to new apt so she can photoshop and autodesk with it
[19:19] <EvilResistance> i'm going to see if i cant overhaul the thing and put in dual video cards
[19:19] <EvilResistance> and a liquid cooling system
[19:19] <EvilResistance> cool
[19:19] <GeekyAdam> liquid cooling is sexy but scary to me
[19:19] <EvilResistance> yeah it has disadvantages
[19:19] <EvilResistance> but if you know what you're doing it can be epic
[19:19] <GeekyAdam> also, i should note, giving of the pc to the gf also means she wont use my gaming machine
[19:20] <EvilResistance> fwiw, its more effective than standard air cooling
[19:20] <EvilResistance> lol
[19:20] <EvilResistance> GeekyAdam:  indeed
[19:20] <EvilResistance> GeekyAdam:  i have 2 desktops, a laptop, a fscking heavy server...
[19:20] <GeekyAdam> me: "i need to WoW" gf: "im writing a paper for class, use your laptop"
[19:20] <EvilResistance> one desktop is my "Almighty game system" (or will be)
[19:20] <EvilResistance> (its the custom build)
[19:20] <EvilResistance> the other desktop is the crappy "I dont give a damn about you" system :P
[19:20] <EvilResistance> the server...
[19:20] <EvilResistance> well, its a fscking server :P
[19:21] <GeekyAdam> ha
[19:21]  * EvilResistance has it inside a room with its own  dedicated cooling system and triple locked entry
[19:21] <EvilResistance> as well as its own dedicated wire hookup :P
[19:21] <EvilResistance> fwiw..
[19:22] <EvilResistance> i could theoretically set up a mini internet hub
[19:22] <EvilResistance> :P
[19:22] <EvilResistance> dump an apt mirror on there... a keyserver...
[19:22] <EvilResistance> 5000 ZNCs...
[19:22] <EvilResistance> an ircd...
[19:22] <EvilResistance> everything would still function xD
[19:22] <GeekyAdam> i have 1 desktop (gaming PC, trip monitors), 1 main laptop (decent thinkpad T61, core2duo, used for DJing with VirtualDJ and decent WoWing), couple older laptops laying around for easy stuff (www, ssh, etc), server (older Dell box, ubuntu 10.04 server)
[19:22] <EvilResistance> yeah this laptop i'm on is my development system
[19:23] <EvilResistance> partly due to the multiple VMs i have of idfferent OSes
[19:23] <EvilResistance> so i can dev. in .NET stuff, PHP, Debian packaging, RHEL shit, etc.
[19:23] <EvilResistance> its primary OS is Ubuntu Natty + KDE
[19:24] <GeekyAdam> ive been toying with the idea of [once the new gaming pc is built] making the desktop ubuntu with a Win7 VM as one desktop. WoW runs decently in Wine...
[19:24] <GeekyAdam> natty with KDE? yeesh :p
[19:25] <EvilResistance> i got fed up with Unity :P
[19:25] <GeekyAdam> 10.04 + gnome2 is my fav
[19:25] <GeekyAdam> although the new Fedora screenshots have me curious...
[19:25] <EvilResistance> i got tired of the outdatedness of lucid :PP
[19:26]  * EvilResistance also successfully got something backported from Precise all the way back to Natty
[19:26] <EvilResistance> :P
[19:26] <GeekyAdam> yeah ive noticed that lately honestly, ive been adding more and more ppas just to update software correctly
[19:26] <GeekyAdam> for instance firefox
[19:26] <GeekyAdam> i was still on 2.3, had to add the ppa just to get up to 7
[19:27] <GeekyAdam> and now 8s out...
[19:27] <GeekyAdam> is it just me or is Mozilla firing off new Firefox updates relentlessy lately?
[23:30] <InHisName> Hey one machine the /var/log/messages is 0 bytes.   Seems to be offline.  How to get syslog back reporting errors ?
[23:44] <InHisName> errors are not in /var/log/messages but in /var/log/syslog instead.    I have one machine each way.  Why ?
[23:46] <InHisName> No both have a syslog,   but one also has messages.  How to turn on messages on 2nd machine ?


[10:31] <Laney> can someone clean up libxpathselect1.4 in wily-proposed please?
[11:00] <infinity> Laney: Done.
[20:34] <doko> this cgal build on armhf drives me crazy ... it works just fine locally without any armhf specifics
[20:34] <doko> infinity, you introduced that, any idea?
[22:43] <doko> ScottK, Riddell: anybody of you looking at current kde fallout?  this is just a mess ...
[22:43] <ScottK> I'm not.  I'm working on Debian gcc5 stuff.
[22:45] <doko> wrong channel
[22:48] <ScottK> I'm still not.
[22:58] <doko> would be good to know what you are, not what you are not


[04:52] <Mithrandir> good morning
[06:13] <fabbione> morning
[06:15] <Mithrandir> getting up late, fabio? ;-)
[06:16] <Mithrandir> bah, leaving for airport
[06:17] <fabbione> Mithrandir: ehehe later :)
[09:34] <chmj> morning
[10:10] <infinity> fabbione : Dude, why does linux-headers-2.6.12-3 have a versioned dependency on libc6?
[10:11] <fabbione> infinity: because the headers contains a bunch of executable in script/
[10:11] <fabbione> same reason why they are arch: any
[10:11] <fabbione> and not arch: all
[10:12] <infinity> Ugh.  Okay, the better question is "why are we shipping script/"?
[10:12] <infinity> scripts, even.
[10:12] <fabbione> because they are required for linking
[10:12] <fabbione> at MODPOST stage 2
[10:13] <fabbione> the same reason why ppc64 headers are borked
[10:13] <infinity> Including the binaries?
[10:13] <fabbione> yup...
[10:13] <infinity> Cock.  That's retarded.
[10:13] <fabbione> the binaries are little utilities very arch specific required for linking
[10:14] <infinity> We should at least move scripts/ to the flavour-specific packages, then, and make the big linux-headers arch:all, no?
[10:14] <fabbione> infinity: that's basically required...
[10:14] <fabbione> to unfuck ppc64
[10:14] <fabbione> but i need to review the overall build process
[10:14] <fabbione> because the binaries are built once from another source dir :/
[10:14] <fabbione> this system is sick
[10:15] <fabbione> breezy+1 must be a royal cleanup
[10:15] <fabbione> otherwise you can do it while i will be VAC
[10:15] <fabbione> or start now? ;)
[10:15] <infinity> If I do it, we'll end up with something much sicker. :)
[10:15] <fabbione> ahaha
[10:15] <infinity> Mostly because the current situation just looks SO EFFIN WRONG to me.
[10:16] <fabbione> infinity: ideally we should switch to the new debian build system
[10:16] <fabbione> but i don't have the time/power atm
[10:16] <infinity> (This arose from a desire to install headers on hoary, which is impossible, for no sane reason other than upstream crack)
[10:17] <infinity> Is Debian's new system nicer to work with?
[10:17] <fabbione> why on earth do you want to do that?
[10:17] <fabbione> infinity: i know they are working on a much cleaner build system similar to our but sane
[10:17] <infinity> Because I'm running a stock breezy kernel on hoary on my laptop, because the hoary kernel suck monkey balls on my new hardware.
[10:17] <fabbione> i had really no time to look at it yet
[10:17] <infinity> (WiFi drops out constantly, machine crashes, my grandmother gets cancer, y'know.. the usual)
[10:18] <fabbione> yeah yeah... time to change hw
[10:18] <fabbione> the kernel is fine :)

[10:19] <infinity> I'm pretty sure it all comes down to the ipw2200 driver being in constant flux, and my 2915ABG being very poorly supported in hoary.
[10:19] <infinity> No big deal.
[10:19] <fabbione> yeah
[10:20] <infinity> If this mystical new Debian kernel build system works, I'll be happy to investigate a switch.
[10:20] <fabbione> infinity: it's in SVN
[10:20] <fabbione> it looks easier.. or it sounds like..
[10:20] <fabbione> but it's not stable
[10:20] <infinity> dilinger : ping.
[10:20] <fabbione> they are still fluxing around some stuff
[10:21] <infinity> dilinger : Make me your bitch.
[10:21] <infinity> Stable isn't such a big deal, as long as we can cut something useable for ourselves for breezy, and merge back in sync post-breezy.
[10:21] <infinity> It's not like what we HAVE is any good either.
[10:22] <fabbione> well it is.. they are still shifting pkgs name around :P
[10:22] <fabbione> we know that our work
[10:22] <fabbione> to a certain degree
[10:22] <infinity> With enough massaging.
[10:22] <fabbione> nah it doesn't need that much
[10:22] <fabbione> we were not ready to do cross-compiling.. that's all
[10:22] <fabbione> and these are bits and pieces that are coming while we grow
[12:51] <fabbione> infinity: i think scripts is the only thing that is more arch specific than the headers
[12:51] <fabbione> at least from a first check
[12:51] <fabbione> the reason why linux-headers (generic) is not arch: all is because we can apply (and we do) arch specific patches
[12:51] <fabbione> otherwise kernel and headers won't match
[12:52] <fabbione> so in theory fixing scripts/ should be enough
[01:38] <zul> hey
[01:58] <fabbione> hey zul
[02:09] <zul> hey fabbione how goes it?
[02:15] <fabbione> zul: no too bad.. going off line for a little nap now
[02:19] <zul> cool...am at work
[04:37] <zul> fabio im back as of tonight..
[04:38] <dilinger> fabbione: hey, did you see my config tool thingy?
[04:38] <dilinger> zul: you too..
[04:39] <zul> dilinger: nope i havent been busy getting settled in with my new job
[04:39] <dilinger> http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/kernel/trunk/scripts/?rev=0&sc=0
[04:39] <dilinger> initsplit for breaking up the configs, and split-config for managing them
[04:40] <dilinger> try it out, find bugs, fix or report them ;)
[04:40] <zul> ok cool...ill try it out tonight
[04:50] <fabbione> hey dilinger
[04:50] <fabbione> no i had no time really..
[04:50] <fabbione> i am fighting with a bunch of things all together
[04:50] <dilinger> ok, well, when you get the chance..
[04:50] <dilinger> i'm already finding it hugely useful
[04:50] <fabbione> sure i will
[04:50] <dilinger> changing config options across 5 different archs, some 20-something flavours :)
[04:50] <fabbione> or better i must :)
[05:02] <fabbione> YAY
[05:02] <fabbione> finally i got to fix the ppc64 headers
[05:02] <doko> l-k-h?
[05:02] <fabbione> damn the header pkg is getting a mess
[05:02] <fabbione> doko: nope.. the real kernel headers
[05:04] <fabbione> doko: i just finished to build gcc 4.0.1 on sparc.. (test build)
[05:04] <fabbione> i am will soon let you know about the ICE and the LINKING thing
[05:05] <doko> any changes needed? I was going to make a new 4.0 upload today
[05:06] <fabbione> doko: no changes.. but i will not be able to build it until cairo and gtk+2.0 are rebuilt
[05:06] <fabbione> hi lamont
[05:07] <fabbione> there was a leak of libXrender.la in some /usr/lib
[05:07] <fabbione> that will make it FTBFS
[05:07] <fabbione> doko: if you can give me something like 30 minutes to check a couple of things i would be really grateful
[05:08] <doko> no problem, doing test builds on ppc and amd64 first
[05:08] <fabbione> doko: ok
[05:08] <lamont> morning fabbione
[05:08] <fabbione> i would like to be able to give you some more info on the ICE (if still there) and that LINKING thing..
[05:08] <fabbione> perhaps it's an easy fix (the latter at least)
[05:19] <fabbione> YAY
[05:19] <fabbione> GO GCC!!!!!
[05:20] <fabbione> doko: now it fails on the same package with a more interesting message
[05:20] <fabbione> the 2 could be easily related tho..
[05:22] <fabbione> doko: is 4.0.1 more paranoid than 4.0.0 ??
[05:22] <fabbione> first log:
[05:22] <fabbione> util.c: In function 'timestamp':
[05:22] <fabbione> util.c:29: warning: format '%06ld' expects type 'long int', but argument 4 has type '__suseconds_t'
[05:22] <fabbione> second log:
[05:22] <fabbione> util.c: In function 'timestamp':
[05:22] <fabbione> util.c:24: error: storage size of 'tz' isn't known
[05:22] <fabbione> util.c:29: warning: format '%06ld' expects type 'long int', but argument 4 has type '__suseconds_t'
[05:22] <fabbione> util.c:24: warning: unused variable 'tz'
[05:22] <fabbione> note that this is the same code
[05:22] <fabbione> only change is gcc
[05:24] <zul> meh..
[05:25] <fabbione> libc6-dev: /usr/include/time.h
[05:27] <fabbione> bah it's even an used var
[05:28] <fabbione>        The use of the timezone struct is obsolete; the  tz_dsttime  field  has  never
[05:29] <fabbione> I CAN BLAME GTK!
[05:31] <doko> fabbione: hmm, should that be %p instead?
[05:31] <fabbione> there it is... _BSD_SOURCE is not defined
[05:32] <fabbione> doko: no that's just a warning and i don't care
[05:32] <fabbione> the failure there is due to -D_BSD_SOURCE not being there
[05:32] <fabbione> = struct timezone has no size
[05:32] <fabbione> JEEEE
[05:33] <fabbione> doko: the point is that _BSD_SOURCE is not defined in the previous log
[05:33] <fabbione> and it was passing this point
[05:35] <fabbione>  /usr/lib/gcc/sparc-linux-gnu/4.0.1/../../../../lib/crt1.o:../sysdeps/sparc/sparc32/elf/start.S:60: multiple definition of `_PROCEDURE_LINKAGE_TABLE_'
[05:35] <fabbione> no
[05:35] <fabbione> it's not fixed
[05:35] <fabbione> doko: what do you want me to check to get this fixed?
[05:36] <fabbione> let's move to #toolchain
[05:36] <doko> hmm, I don't know ...


[14:38] <persia> Good day.  Do we have a recommended logo or link graphic for folks to use if they want to link to http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu ?
[23:32] <persia> I know it's poor style to repeat things over and over until someone responds, but maybe someone could tell me a better place to ask if this isn't on-topic?
[23:32] <persia> Good day.  Do we have a recommended logo or link graphic for folks to use if they want to link to http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu ?


[02:29] <Ubik> cyberanger: May have to check that out, considering we are now Flowroute customers.
[02:29] <cyberanger> Switch or just another route?
[02:30] <Ubik> Another route. Sorta.
[02:30] <Ubik> You remember the guy up in Cookeville?
[02:52] <cyberanger> Yeah, never met him though


[07:25] <soee> hmm, i have installed kernel 4.8.2 today and my nvidia driver works now
[12:42] <tseliot> ricotz, mamarley: what did you do to include the vulkan debug layers? (I think I missed that discussion)
[12:46] <mamarley> I checked and all the libraries shipped with the driver are packaged, so I couldn't find anything to do.
[13:00] <tseliot> mamarley: oh, ok, I might have a look at the vulkan package myself too, since the developer is still complaining about things being missing, and I am completely unfamiliar with vulkan
[13:00]  * mamarley also knows very little about Vulkan.
[13:03] <tseliot> I'm pretty sure I've never ever downloaded the source package
[13:04]  * mamarley is just a packager droid.


[09:02] <tsdgeos> sil2100: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1586541/comments/2
[09:02] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ↑↑
[09:13] <tsdgeos> greyback: ↑↑↑ in case you *need* it now
[09:14] <greyback> tsdgeos: ack, thanks
[09:31] <Saviq> tsdgeos, ack, so looks like the backport didn't work too well?
[09:42] <pstolowski> Saviq, hey, need review of unity8 team for https://code.launchpad.net/~stolowski/unity8/apparmor-profile/+merge/272602 ; also, i'd like to ready this in silo 65 for QA
[09:45] <Saviq> pstolowski, ack, can you please explain also why the icon is needed - also something went wrong with the icon - removed/added/moved
[09:46] <Saviq> pstolowski, as far as the apparmor profile goes, did you get this reviewed with security folk or shall I?
[09:46] <Saviq> things like {,u,re}mount, pivot_root look excessive
[09:47] <tsdgeos> Saviq: we backported half of it too, packages fault for not making the tool depend on the lib it seems
[09:47] <pstolowski> Saviq, I didn't, but I got this profile from jdstrand
[09:47] <tsdgeos> s/too/only
[09:47] <Saviq> tsdgeos, ah
[09:48] <pstolowski> Saviq, it was intended to be very permissive initially, but we can tighten it, sure
[09:49] <Saviq> pstolowski, ok so fix up the icon added/removed/.moved please and I'll ack
[09:49] <pstolowski> Saviq, yep, looking
[10:21] <Saviq> pstolowski, oh? no need for an icon any more? why's that?
[10:23] <pstolowski> Saviq, an icon is already installed. i installed it in extra location for privacy settings to work. looks my copy is not needed anymore, but I'm going to rebuild the silo and check
[10:24] <pstolowski> Saviq, I think something got fixes somewhere and a copy in /suru/ is not needed anymore
[10:24] <pstolowski> * fixed
[10:25] <pstolowski> Saviq, and note, unity8 already ships unity8-dash.png, all these added/removed/moved messup was because it got added in trunk at about the same time I added it in my branch ;)
[10:26] <Saviq> pstolowski, ack
[11:14] <sebThreeM10white> hi
[13:55] <dandrader> ltinkl, would you have to some time to review this one? https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/unity8/fixSpreadDelegateRotationAnimation/+merge/296107
[14:02] <ltinkl> dandrader, yup, will do today
[14:02] <ltinkl> dandrader, is there an attached BR?
[14:03] <dandrader> ltinkl, BR?
[14:03] <ltinkl> dandrader, or, should there be? bug report
[14:03] <dandrader> ltinkl, no, and I wouldn't bother writing one.
[14:04]  * dandrader was thinking <br>
[14:04] <ltinkl> dandrader, alright, I thought this sounded similar (like I've seen a bug report about this, maybe not))
[14:05] <dandrader> ltinkl, I think that just slipped through as we are not all that focused on phone nowadays
[14:42] <dandrader> mzanetti, so you say it's not worth fixing this before the unified stage? https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtmir/+bug/1586050
[14:52] <mzanetti> dandrader|afk, not sure, no... atm the splashscreen is quite broken here anyways
[14:52] <mzanetti> well, if it's a few lines I can easily merge it I suppose
[14:53] <rektide> hey, i upgraded from 15.04 vivid to 16.04 xenial a couple weeks back. in unity-control-center, the "Connection" toggle that each device has is disabled. this keeps me from turning off or turning on devices, and really is quite frustrating
[14:53] <rektide> is there something i can/ought/should do, might try to restore this ability to turn connections to specific devices on and off?
[14:55] <mzanetti> rektide, not sure what toggle you mean
[14:57] <rektide> mzanetti: if you click a device, on the right there's a pane with details. at the top of that pane is "Connection" with an "On/Off" toggle
[14:57] <rektide> does that clarify?
[14:57] <mzanetti> you mean network devices?
[14:58] <rektide> ooooohh mercy, sorry, in Bluetooth devices
[14:58] <rektide> whoops
[14:58] <mzanetti> ah ok. I see it now
[14:59] <mzanetti> interesting fact is that the same switch is still enabled in the indicators
[14:59] <mzanetti> you probably want to report a bug
[14:59] <rektide> indicators, as in the menu bar?
[15:00] <mzanetti> yeah, the top right icons, next to the clock
[15:00] <mzanetti> perhaps #ubuntu-desktop is the better channel for this question. I think they deal with the settings app
[15:00] <rektide> good call, thanks
[15:51] <tsdgeos> Saviq: you said OOM gets reported in syslog, right?
[15:51] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah, a huge table
[15:51] <Saviq> and then the result of the OOM decision
[15:56] <tsdgeos> May 31 17:56:34 ubuntu-phablet kernel: [  545.350522]Killing 'unity8-dash' (4144), adj 50,
[15:56] <tsdgeos> double \o/
[15:57] <tsdgeos> dash still gets killed after a long autopilot test with qmljsdebugging enabled
[16:21] <mterry> @unity, any cmake-heads around?  I'd like a second set of eyeballs on https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/installed-qmltests/+merge/293443 if anyone has time
[16:22] <mterry> @unity also, which bug is https://trello-attachments.s3.amazonaws.com/57489e534273d6c230d48c9b/540x960/341dacd6c936c5cf0545c3684a483671/screenshot20160531_170305434.png ?
[16:31] <Saviq> mterry, bug #1585645
[16:32] <mterry> Saviq, cheers
[18:15] <dandrader> mterry, that's some serious 3G
[18:17] <mterry> dandrader, yeah really good connection
[19:16] <dandrader> Saviq, still working?
[19:16] <Saviq> dandrader, wassup?
[19:16] <dandrader> Saviq, are you able to reproduce this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1586219
[19:16] <Saviq> dandrader, lemme check
[19:18] <dandrader> Saviq, oh, maybe it's my U1 account is already configured
[19:18] <dandrader> Saviq,  *it's because
[19:19] <Saviq> dandrader, yeah you need to kill the U1 account - I can reproduce, just seeing the spinner and "Loading, Please wait..." without end
[19:19] <Saviq> ah and if you cancel, the U1 prompt is there
[19:20] <dandrader> Saviq, right. now I got it as well
[20:36] <cyphermox> is there a way to just add a link to a web page in the Touch dashboard?
[21:16] <Saviq> cyphermox, if you want, you can create a .desktop file - alternatively you can publish a web app
[21:38] <cyphermox> Saviq: cool, that's more or less what I thought
[21:38] <cyphermox> where should the .desktop file be?
[21:38] <cyphermox> /usr/share/applications, I guess?
[21:40] <Saviq> cyphermox, ~/.local/share/applications if you don't need it system wide
[21:58] <cyphermox> Saviq: right, the usual xdg paths
[21:58] <cyphermox> thanks!
[23:19] <josharenson> robert_ancell: any update on that lightdm branch that uses the new mir env variable?
[23:20] <robert_ancell> josharenson, no, can you make me some packages of the greeter so I can test here?
[23:21] <robert_ancell> I was trying to work out how to build debs from the branch but I couldn't get it to work
[23:21] <josharenson> robert_ancell: sure, give me 30-45 min to compile
[23:21] <robert_ancell> thanks
[23:22] <josharenson> robert_ancell: ah, already have it built. What is the best way to share this?
[23:22] <robert_ancell> A PPA if you've got them or just email them if they work on amd64/yakkety
[23:25] <josharenson> robert_ancell: sent (about 25MB) I'll make a ppa if I start having to change things for you
[23:27] <robert_ancell> brb
[23:39] <robert_ancell> josharenson, /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/51-unity8-greeter.conf has type=mir for the seat config
[23:40] <robert_ancell> mir is not a valid seat type...
[23:40] <josharenson> robert_ancell: oh? should it be unity?
[23:40] <robert_ancell> well, from the greeters point of view it doesn't matter, so it shouldn't have anything in there
[23:41] <robert_ancell> type=unity is what is used on the phone where everything is run under one u-s-c
[23:41] <robert_ancell> type=xlocal (the default) is what's used on the desktop where everything is VT switched between and there's a u-s-c run for each session that needs Mir
[23:42] <robert_ancell> I'll restart lightdm and see what happens here..
[23:42] <josharenson> robert_ancell: so it should remain as xlocal (what it was before the most recent branch I gave you)
[23:42] <josharenson> ok
[23:45] <josharenson> back in a bit
[23:52] <robert_ancell> josharenson, the type=mir is causing your G_IS_OBJECT error
[23:52] <robert_ancell> I'm not getting the greeter to start, but there might be some other issues
[23:52] <robert_ancell> with Mir etc


[00:13] <gordonjcp> right, well, thanks for the help with jack etc
[00:14] <gordonjcp> I might end up dual-booting Ubuntu Studio but right now it isn't really working for me for audio work *or* as a desktop OS
[00:14] <gordonjcp> and tbh I *hate* dual-boot, even between two versions of Ubuntu
[01:28] <kyan> Hi, I'm not using Ubuntu but I'm having trouble with JACK and figured this would be the best channel to ask. I'm trying to get JACK/Pulse/ALSA working for both desktop use and production use. Unfortunately I'm not hearing anything. Could someone help me get this working? Thanks.
[12:41] <fabzor3> HAI
[13:37] <gaetano_> hello! in blender 2.63 i cant find cycles render in the menu above...anyone know how to set it up!?
[14:18] <holstein> gaetano_: i would just send you to the blender channel, but i think they will ask if you are running the most current version... here is info on a PPA that might have a newer version
[14:18] <holstein> http://www.unixmen.com/blender-2-64-has-been-released-ppa-ubuntu/
[14:18] <holstein> could be a feature that has been added since the version you are using
[14:18] <holstein> i would do some research and see if this is an added feature, see what version you are running, and what is available from that ppa and other sources
[14:23] <gaetano_> holstein: actually the cycles render is an option available on blender 2.62 and im using 2.63....im watching a tutorial and i cant select this option, that i think is the cause of a mistake that im doing...
[14:25] <holstein> gaetano_: blender is pretty specialized... i would try the blender channel
[14:26] <gaetano_> holstein: is there a chat like this one?
[14:26] <gaetano_> #blender
[14:26] <holstein> i just tried /j #blender
[14:26] <holstein> looks good :)
[14:27] <holstein> i bet they have a great email list too
[14:27] <gaetano_> holstein: wow! its amazing! gonna try to ask there so! thanks for the help!
[14:27] <gaetano_> holstein: do u use blender!?
[14:49] <XRS1> blender has got to be one of the best killer apps