[12:45] <ubotu> In #kubuntu, crusty said: UBOTU this is what i get from konsole.........Iv got some dependency problem leaving configuration........Errors were encountered while processing:libxine-extracodecs
[12:50] <somerville32> bot > crusty
[12:50] <somerville32> !bot > crusty
[12:57] <nalioth> Seveas: did you ban him in #ubuntu-[all]  ?
[12:57] <Seveas> nalioth, who?
[12:57] <nalioth> neoxan
[12:58] <Seveas> in a lot of them
[12:59] <Seveas> but that was before the frenode crash
[12:59] <nalioth> Seveas: see PM
[01:02] <LjL> freenode crash? *another*?
[01:03] <Seveas> LjL, no
[05:38] <nixternal> does anyone know if jack_wyt is being hit with the d c c stuff at all? every channel he is in is creating j/p floods
[05:40] <ubotu> In ubotu, QMario said: Here is my project: https://sourceforge.net/projects/convert2pdf/
[05:42] <nalioth> nixternal: ban forward him into ##fix_your_client
[05:43] <nixternal> Hobbsee: ^^
[05:44] <nixternal> #edubuntu, #ubuntu-devel im not strong enough
[05:44] <Hobbsee> [15:44]  *** You set a ban on jack_wyt!*@*##fix_your_client.
[05:44] <Hobbsee> nalioth: ?
[05:44] <Hobbsee> did i get it right?
[05:47] <nalioth> no
[05:47] <nalioth> it should be jack_wyt!*@*!##fix_your_client
[05:48] <nalioth> Hobbsee: ^^^^
[05:48] <nalioth> the bang is important
[05:49] <Hobbsee> ahhh...missed the second bang
[05:50] <somerville32> banh!
[05:50] <somerville32> :]
[06:22] <Hobbsee> nalioth: ping
[06:22] <Hobbsee> [16:21]  --> hype has joined this channel (n=Hype@<IP_ADDRESS>).
[06:22] <Hobbsee> [16:21]  <hype> http://kmwarren.imarichkid.hop.clickbank.net
[06:22] <nalioth> Hobbsee: where?
[06:23] <Hobbsee> nalioth: #ubuntu-devel
[06:23] <Hobbsee> he left right after
[06:25] <nalioth> thanks, Hobbsee he's gone.
[06:25] <Hobbsee> nalioth: :)
[07:26] <somerville32> nalioth: ping
[07:27] <nalioth> somerville32: pong x 2
[07:27] <nalioth> i have no idea what you want, somerville32
[07:30] <nalioth> somerville32: you probably don't want in there, anyway
[07:31] <somerville32> What is it?
[07:32] <nalioth> you are judged by the company you keep
[07:33] <somerville32> Ah
[01:43] <Seveas> nalioth, can you please cloak ryanacka?
[04:44] <PriceChild> ping Seveas
[04:45] <Seveas> PriceChild, ?
[04:45] <PriceChild> Hey there, Could you help sort out a cloak for forumsmatthew?
[04:46] <Seveas> what's his nickname & launchpad id?
[04:46] <PriceChild> https://launchpad.net/~matthelmke
[04:47] <Seveas> he'll have to ask it himself
[04:47] <Seveas> but poking me will be sufficient
[04:48] <PriceChild> hehe :)
[05:06] <Seveas> nalioth, can you please cloak ryanacka and forumsmatthew?
[05:06] <Seveas> (or rob if you're around)
[05:15] <effie_jayx> Seveas,  how are ya
[05:15] <effie_jayx> need some help bringing ChanServ to a new channel
[05:15] <effie_jayx> Seveas,  it's the channel for ubuntu el salvador #ubuntu-sv
[05:16] <effie_jayx> can you help me and rolando-ve  ????
[05:21] <apokryphos> what are you trying to do, get the channel registered?
[05:21] <apokryphos> the channel appears to be registered to navnelson
[05:21] <effie_jayx> apokryphos,  we got it registered
[05:21] <effie_jayx> ajam
[05:21] <effie_jayx> he did it
[05:21] <effie_jayx> and now we want chanserv over there
[05:22] <apokryphos> ok, then /cs set #ubuntu-sv guard on
[05:22] <effie_jayx> ok
[05:22] <effie_jayx> its set
[05:22] <effie_jayx> :D thanks apokryphos :D
[05:22] <apokryphos> np
[05:27] <jenda> Seveas: got them.
[05:27] <Seveas> jenda, ah right, i forgot that you can do i as well
[05:27] <jenda>
[05:27] <effie_jayx> I want that smillie face...
[05:27] <effie_jayx> :D
[05:28] <Seveas> stupid freenode
[05:28] <effie_jayx> Seveas,  :O
[05:28] <Seveas> always appointing new staff :p
[05:28] <jenda> hehe
[05:28] <effie_jayx> :D
[05:28] <jenda> Seveas: you can complain about their choice at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>;)
[05:28] <Seveas> hmm good call
[05:28] <Seveas> /exec echo "Jenda sucks" | mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:29] <jenda> :)
[05:29] <effie_jayx> Seveas,  lol
[05:29] <jenda> Reminds me, Seveas - where do I complain if I don't like Ubuntu channel operators, or their frontman?
[05:29] <jenda> cloaked)
[05:30] <Seveas> jenda, here
[05:30] <Seveas> jenda, or to me personally
[05:30] <jenda> Even better ;)
[05:52] <ubotu> In ubotu, jrib said: usplash-artwork.so is To select the usplash image using the alternatives system, sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so  && sudo update-initramfs -u
[05:53] <LjL> !usplash
[05:53] <ubotu> usplash is the start-up splash (before the login screen appears) in Ubuntu. To customize it, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto
[05:55] <LjL> jrib: that page explains it, but it's in a quite obscure paragraph dealing with something else. anyway, what it says to do to update the initrd is "sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)"
[05:55] <LjL> advantages/disadvantages compared to update-initramfs?
[05:56] <jrib> update-initramfs does what needs to be done, dpkg-reconfigure is apparently overkill
[05:56] <LjL> !no usplash is <reply> To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[05:56] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, LjL said: !no usplash is <reply> To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[05:57] <LjL> (done)
[05:57] <jrib> thanks
[05:59] <jrib> /var/lib/dpkg/info/usplash-theme-ubuntu.postinst  agrees with me btw :)  okay, time to get some cleaning done
[06:25] <nalioth> so impatient
[06:27] <jrib> what do you think about aliasing everything in the !faq to !faq, like !mp3, !root, ...
[07:06] <Seveas> jrib, eww no
[07:07] <Hawkwind> Whatever happened with the plans of a follow up meeting to our first/last meeting ?  Is one still planned and if so, do we have a date of when it is yet ?
[09:20] <gnomefreak> nalioth: its /cs register #channel password right?
[09:20] <gnomefreak> to register a channel
[09:20] <nalioth> yep, gnomefreak
[09:21] <nalioth> please no #pornpervertshere  :D
[09:21] <gnomefreak> ty
[09:21] <gnomefreak> no its for the -mozilla team
[09:21] <nalioth> they defecting from irc.mozilla.org ?
[09:22] <gnomefreak> no its #ubuntu-mozillas
[09:22] <gnomefreak> -s
[09:22] <gnomefreak> for bug purposes mainly
[09:31] <gnomefreak> nalioth: you dont need to be oped to register a channel do you
[09:32] <nalioth> gnomefreak: yes, you do.
[09:32] <gnomefreak> ah
[09:32] <nalioth> whose channel is it meant to be?
[09:33] <gnomefreak> admirals or fred... smae person
[11:18] <maxamillion> any forums admin or moderators around?
[11:20] <Seveas> maxamillion, #ubuntuforums
[11:21] <maxamillion> Seveas: k
[11:25] <jenda> hey, robotgee1
[11:40] <gnomefreak> doesnt cs or the bots hang out in #ubuntu-unregged?
[11:42] <Hawkwind> No
[11:43] <gnomefreak> oh thought the bits used to
[11:43] <gnomefreak> bots even
[11:43] <apokryphos> Ubugtu does
[11:43] <gnomefreak> i dont see anyone there
[11:43] <apokryphos> since we used to have it on timer with a note about registering
[11:44] <gnomefreak> damn 3 ggg
[11:45] <gnomefreak> much better now that i have the right spelling


[02:38] <hallyn> sarnold: jdstrand sadly, i'm getting the qcow corruption you do.  since i'm on a buggy thinkpad i haven't disproven that it's a thinkpad-only bug
[02:38] <sarnold> hallyn: yay?
[02:39] <sarnold> hallyn: sorry it hit you too, but hopefully that'll make recreating it easier..
[02:39] <sarnold> I'd really hope qcow2 is pretty boring and not care about the hardware it's running on; it doesn't feel like a special-enough snowflake to care, you know?
[02:43] <jdstrand> hallyn: I would hope it wasn't thinkpad specific like you said, but yeah, 'yay'?
[02:43] <jdstrand> hallyn: is this on utopic or trusty?
[02:43] <jdstrand> hallyn: I'm on utopic now, but haven't tried 2.1 since I've been needing my VMs lately
[02:48] <hallyn> i'm on utopic
[02:48] <hallyn> unfortunately it's interfering with my attempts to test qemu live migration through libvirt
[02:48] <hallyn> i wasn't (yet) looking to reproduce it :)
[05:51] <Unit193> After the upstart upgrade, the following files are considered obsolete: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/00upstart /etc/X11/Xsession.d/99upstart /etc/cron.daily/upstart /etc/bash_completion.d/upstart /etc/upstart-xsessions
[05:55] <pitti> xnox: I did an initial cleanup of the "uncategorized" ones in http://pad.ubuntu.com/missing-systemd-units
[05:56] <pitti> slangase`, xnox: ^ what Unit193 said: that's what I meant by "needs dpkg-maintscript for migration" (same for conffile questions)
[06:51] <dholbach> good morning
[07:54] <doko> tvoss, please don't close MIR issues in changelog entries
[07:54] <doko> tvoss: lp: #1338587 is incomplete
[07:56] <tvoss> doko, I can get rid of gcovr for the package
[07:57] <tvoss> doko, and I thought all of qt is in main?
[07:57] <doko> tkamppeter, pitti: foo2zjs build-depends on lcms which is in universe. only lcms2 is in main, you need to port to lcms2 if you want to have  foo2zjs built
[07:57] <doko> tvoss, wishfull thinking =)
[07:57] <doko> Mirv, ^^^
[08:09] <Mirv> tvoss: um, why is trust-store using qtquick1-5-dev, nothing we use should be using it?
[08:10] <tvoss> Mirv, just patching it out
[08:10] <Mirv> tvoss: maybe an accidental build dependency?
[08:10] <Mirv> tvoss: ok, thanks!
[08:10] <Mirv> Qt upstream indeed has some funky naming that can cause confusion
[08:10] <tvoss> Mirv, yup
[08:11] <Mirv> ("qtquick1" source package provides "libqtdeclarative" library, while "qtdeclarative" source package provides "libqtquick" and "libqtqml")
[08:12] <Mirv> the explanation is something along the lines that Qt4 also had declarative, so for the version 1 they stuck with that source package name, even though Qt 5 has the new version 2 declarative too
[08:12] <Mirv> s/source package name/library name/. see, the confusion.
[08:13] <tvoss> Mirv, https://code.launchpad.net/~thomas-voss/trust-store/remove-unneeded-build-dependencies/+merge/229907
[08:13] <tvoss> doko, ^
[08:32] <darkxst> pitti, so 214 seems to be working well with both upstart and systemd boot, although I am getting very occasional, races on upstart boot where gdm/X fails to start (pretty sure that has happend on 208 as well though
[08:41] <pitti> darkxst: ah, great to hear!
[08:57] <tkamppeter> doko, pitti, the lcms1 build dependency in foo2zjs is bogus, it actually does not depend on any lcms library (any more). I will remove it.
[09:03] <tkamppeter> doko, pitti, OdYX, has freshly introduced this dependency to the obsolete library, as there was some utility program copied from lcms1 in the source code of foo2zjs. I will ask him whether there is a way he can solve it with lcms2. If we do not get a quick solution I will put up an out-of-sync vesion simply taking the newest upstream source but not changing anything else.
[09:14] <xnox> jdstrand: ping bug #1341083 will you upload that, or shall i?
[09:22] <xnox> ogra_`: do you agree that ubuntu-defaults-nexus7 can be removed? bug #1353922
[09:23] <mlankhorst> xnox: I can't even get it to work on raring or later
[09:23] <ogra_`> xnox, yeah,, burn it with fire
[09:23]  * mlankhorst tried
[09:24] <xnox> excellent, mark it as "ported to systemd by means of removal"
[09:32] <pitti> and *swoosh* gone it is, updated bug
[10:48] <pitti> xnox: very nice, systemd-sysv is now installable in an utopic-proposed chroot (and upstart can be removed)
[10:49] <pitti> xnox: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt still complains about systemd-sysv, so I figure before britney is happy we'll need to fix *all* dependencies to upstart (and we don't actually want that..)
[11:06] <xnox> pitti: hm. but systemd-sysv does declare conflicts and replaces upstart right?
[11:06] <xnox> something is odd, we do know they are not co-installable. and plenty of other packages/providers act the same way.
[11:06] <xnox> pitti: latest upload 208-7ubuntu4 ?
[11:07] <pitti> xnox: no, not replaces: (that would be wrong), just conflicts:
[11:07] <pitti> skipped: systemd (20 <- 270)
[11:07] <pitti>     got: 40+0: i-40
[11:07] <pitti>     * i386: systemd-sysv
[11:08] <pitti> it's not very verbose, but I take it it's complaining about it being uninstallable
[11:08] <pitti> xnox: or perhaps it didn't yet take the new sysvinit into account (that's not yet in _output, as mysql-5.6 is still running)
[11:10] <xnox> wait and see i guess.
[11:40] <cjwatson> pitti: that'll mean it's uninstallable in isolation
[11:40] <cjwatson> when considering release pocket + whatever set of uploads it's considering at that point
[11:42] <pitti> cjwatson: "in isolation" means "just on a debootstrapped env", i. e. just essential+required packages?
[11:42] <xnox> i thought it was just recursive depends
[11:42] <pitti> anyway, seems it's happy now
[11:42] <pitti> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt doesn't have systemd-sysv any more, so it was just lagging behind the sysvinit publication
[11:43] <pitti> final: systemd,sysvinit,trust-store
[11:43] <pitti> all good now and accepted
[11:46] <xnox> \o/
[11:49] <cjwatson> pitti: this is pure dependency analysis, no debootstrap or anything like that
[11:50] <cjwatson> pitti: take release's Packages files, take the set of sources that are being considered, remove all old entries corresponding to those sources, add new entries ditto, see if anything new is uninstallable
[11:50] <cjwatson> or strictly, see if the uninstallable count increases
[12:01] <mpt> ev, do you remember where the usb-creator a.k.a. Startup Disk Creator design spec is? I’ve gone through a dozen wiki pages and haven’t found it
[12:02] <mpt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/USBInstallationImages has early Ascii art, but I remember doing proper sketches afterward :)
[12:25] <ev> mpt: not sure - I'll dig through my email
[12:30] <tvoss> doko, build-deps are patched out of trust-store
[12:32] <doko> tvoss, great! any update on net-cpp?
[12:32] <tvoss> doko, next on my list
[12:32] <tvoss> doko, but likely not today
[12:34] <xubincs>  #ubuntu-mir
[13:33] <jdstrand> pitti: hey, is there a wiki page on how to change init systems? (testing the ufw change)
[13:33] <jdstrand> xnox: ^
[13:33] <jdstrand> wiki page or similar
[13:34] <pitti> jdstrand: boot with init=/bin/systemd in the grub shell
[13:35] <pitti> jdstrand: there's https://wiki.ubuntu.com/systemd with that too (but slightly out of date)
[13:36] <xnox> jdstrand: init=/lib/systemd/systemd (init=/bin/systemd requires new enough initramfs, thus may fail)
[13:36] <xnox> on kernel boot params.
[13:36] <pitti> right, init=/lib/systemd/systemd has worked since utopic's early days
[13:38] <jdstrand> I have an up to date utopic vm
[13:40] <pitti> jdstrand: yep, that'll do; once booted, check with "systemctl" that you get a lot of output, instead of an error message that you can't connect
[13:41] <pitti> jdstrand: in particular, "systemctl status ufw"
[13:41] <pitti> jdstrand: should look something like http://paste.ubuntu.com/7979840/
[13:42] <tedg> Now that I'm using libmir-client I can't build on powerpc or ppc64el. What's the recommend way of showing that?
[13:42] <tedg> Just list the arch in the control file?
[13:43] <tedg> Can I say "everything that mir builds on" ?
[13:43] <pitti> tedg: kind of, if you build-dep on mir, it will just fail to build on ppc*
[13:43] <pitti> which is fine
[13:48] <xnox> tedg: no need for arch restrictions, just build-deps on things you need. FTBFS are not blockers, regressions in FTBFS across arches are but can be cleaned up by archive admins when intentional.
[13:48] <jdstrand> pitti: oh heh, I guess I need to install systemd :)
[13:48] <xnox> (e.g. previous version build everywhere, new one depends on libmir-client and hence need binaries removed to migrate in britney)
[13:49] <pitti> jdstrand: it's pretty hard to not have it installed..
[13:49] <xnox> jdstrand: =)
[13:49] <pitti> tedg: right, we need to remove the ppc binaries of the previous version, then it'll propagate
[13:49] <pitti> jdstrand: is that a minimal server-like VM or so? on a desktop it's a very firm dependency (since saucy)
[13:51] <jdstrand> pitti: no, full desktop. been upgrading for a while. I was guessing it didn't have it installed-- it didn't come up. still diagnosing
[13:51] <pitti> jdstrand: verify in /proc/cmdline?
[13:52] <jdstrand> I didn't get that far
[13:52] <jdstrand> pitti: I'm just updating /etc/default/grub to have:
[13:52] <jdstrand> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="init=/lib/systemd/systemd"
[13:53] <jdstrand> then doing 'sudo update-grub'
[13:53] <tedg> pitti, xnox, okay, cool. So how do I request the binaries to be deleted?
[13:53] <jdstrand> huh, weird, it came up this time
[13:53] <pitti> jdstrand: hm, that sounds right; what happened then?
[13:53] <jdstrand> I did install systemd-ui before rebooting
[13:54] <pitti> jdstrand: ah, I never tried -ui
[13:54] <jdstrand> pitti: I missed the early boot-- it was just a blck screen
[13:54] <jdstrand> when I looked
[13:54] <xnox> tedg: you don't have to, unless it's already stuck in proposed-migration.
[13:54] <jdstrand> might be unrelated and a kvm issue
[13:54] <xnox> tedg: what packages are you talking about?
[13:54] <tedg> xnox, pay-service, my issue is that ci-train doesn't think it's built, figure it's checking the same thing.
[13:54] <jdstrand> pitti: it appears to be working :)
[13:55] <jdstrand> pitti, xnox: thanks for your help!
[13:55] <xnox> tedg: i don't know what ci-train looks for. I'm only talking about general ubuntu archive rules.
[13:55] <jdstrand> pitti: I need to do a little more testing, then will just sponsor your changes
[13:56] <jdstrand> pitti: thanks again for your work on this!
[13:56] <xnox> robru:  sil2100: pay-service will be regressing in supported architectures due to new build-dependencies, does ci-train handle that sensibly? or is something needed to be done there.
[13:56] <pitti> jdstrand: great, you're welcome!
[13:57] <sil2100> xnox: you mean, it will now not build for some architectures?
[13:57] <xnox> sil2100: correct.
[13:57] <xnox> sil2100: well, it will rather FTBFS on some.
[13:58] <sil2100> xnox: so, sadly CI Train might have some problems with that, as long as the archive still provides binaries for the packages in the archive
[13:58] <xnox> sil2100: well, dep-wait on libmirclient-dev.
[13:58] <sil2100> But if those will be dropped from the archive, CI Train will work ok
[13:58] <xnox> sil2100: horum.
[13:59] <sil2100> I guess we could also just ignore the failing architectures, which is possible but a bit dirrrty, as build failures will have to be ignored
[13:59] <xnox> tedg: so you need an archive-admin to review the diff and request removal of binaries by an archive admin.
[14:00]  * tedg looks for an archive admin to delete powerpc
[14:00] <tedg> ;-)
[14:00] <pitti> tedg: i. e. all powerpc binaries of the "mir" source?
[14:01] <pitti> ah no, that already doesn't exist on ppc
[14:01] <tedg> Heh, no I was joking about the architecture
[14:01] <pitti> tedg: what does "I" expand to?
[14:01] <pitti> in "Now that I'm using libmir-client I can't build on powerpc"
[14:01] <tedg> Probably easiest way to see the diff is the one that is generated by the PPA: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-008
[14:02] <tedg> pitti, pay-service source package
[14:02] <tedg> pitti, Generates libpay* pay-service
[14:03] <pitti> unity-scope-click and unity8 also build-dep on libpay2-dev, so these would need to go as well
[14:03] <pitti> ah, they don't build on ppc, so that's fine
[14:03] <tedg> Are they there? I believe the click scope is not.
[14:04] <tedg> Not having Mir on PPC is resulting a large set of packages not building there.
[14:06] <pitti> tedg: so to be completely clear, you are going to upload a new pay-service source which is going to build-dep on Mir?
[14:07] <pitti> because, if you are not going to, then the next upload of pay-service will just bring them back
[14:07] <tedg> pitti, Yes, I'd like to publish silo 8, which depends on mir.
[14:07] <pitti> tedg: usually I'd only remove the binaries from utopic if there was a new version waiting in -proposed, but I suppose the CI airline doesn't work that way
[14:08] <tedg> You can rest assured that *I* won't upload anything :-)
[14:08]  * pitti turns the LP crank, go faster!
[14:09] <pitti> tedg, sil2100: go wild: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7980028/
[14:09] <tedg> pitti, awesome, thanks pitti
[14:09] <sil2100> \o/
[14:57] <cjwatson> tedg: Can the package in question build without mir?  If so, the correct answer is mir [amd64 arm64 armhf i386].  If not, removing the binaries was correct.
[14:57] <tedg> cjwatson, No, it needs Mir now.
[14:57] <cjwatson> Right.
[14:57] <tedg> The trusted prompt support specifically.
[15:01] <bdmurray> pitti: is there something wrong with ddebs.ubuntu.com? all the -security pockets seem empty
[15:02] <bdmurray> http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/dists/saucy-security/
[15:10] <xnox> bdmurray: better that than publishing them before USN notices & unembargo go out
[15:10] <pitti> bdmurray: yes, I removed them as they were horribly outdated
[15:10] <pitti> bdmurray: they aren't really needed either
[15:10] <pitti> people were complaining about hash sum mismatches, etc.
[15:11] <pitti> -security is just a subset of -updates these days anyway; I haven't yet taught ddeb-retriever about building -security properly (that'll again double all the special cases of emulating soyuz)
[15:12] <bdmurray> pitti: some notification about that would have been nice as the retracers have been failing since that happened
[15:12] <pitti> bdmurray: oh, if they use them, how did they not fail before?
[15:12] <pitti> as their Packages could never be authenticated through the Release files
[15:13] <pitti> bdmurray: anyway, it's probably possible to build them properly, but it'll again take a while to sort that out
[15:14] <pitti> jdstrand: traincon? ufw is on the touch images?
[15:14] <bdmurray> pitti: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7980482/
[15:14] <jdstrand> pitti: yes, it is and its part of the smoke image tests
[15:14] <pitti> bdmurray: argh, sorry about that
[15:15] <slangasek> pitti: do you have a handle on this, or do you want me to look into it?  I'm not sure if it just needs recreating the files?
[15:15] <pitti> slangasek: we can copy the old (and broken) files, if that helps any
[15:15] <pitti> but frankly it might be just better to drop the -security ddeb apt sources from the retracers
[15:15] <bdmurray> pitti: well I can just disable the -security pocket in the sources.list files for the retracers but it would have helped to do that before they were removed
[15:16] <pitti> bdmurray: well, want me to put the old ones back?
[15:16] <pitti> well, that still wouldn't update the Release files, but apparently that didn't stop the retracers
[15:17] <bdmurray> pitti: how long would it take to put the old ones back?
[15:17] <slangasek> pitti: I think the point here is that ddebs.u.c, for all its bodgery, is a critical dependency of errors.u.c; so if you need to make changes to it, however innocuous, could you please keep bdmurray in the loop so he doesn't have to root-cause from the other end?
[15:17] <pitti> slangasek: ack, will do next time
[15:18] <pitti> bdmurray: a few minutes
[15:18] <bdmurray> pitti: that is probably faster than submitting an RT and finding a webop
[15:19] <pitti> bdmurray: done
[15:19] <bdmurray> pitti: thanks!
[15:19] <bdmurray> pitti: so I should still remove -security though?
[15:20] <pitti> bdmurray: yeah, please; they are useless and not updated anyway
[15:20] <doko> barry, any update on the MIR fron?
[15:20] <doko> front even
[15:20] <barry> doko: not much.  been busy with other things. :(
[15:37] <rbasak> I'm flipping some binary packages from being generated by mysql-5.5 to being generated by mysql.5.6.
[15:38] <rbasak> Just to check, I don't need to do anything special, do I, except to upload both to migrate from utopic-proposed together?
[15:38] <rbasak> They should be ABI compatible, and will have a higher packaging version number.
[15:39] <rbasak> This will create some component mismatches too, but I presume that this will just be flipped afterwards by archive admins?
[15:39] <rbasak> (to demote 5.5 and promote 5.6)
[16:00] <pitti> rbasak: binary overrides won't change due to an upload, so yes, it'll appear in component-mismatches afterwards
[16:00] <pitti> would be nice to fix mysql-5.6's autopkgtest if it wants to become the new default version (5.5's work)
[16:14] <rbasak> pitti: yeah, I get dep8 failures here. I've asked upstream to take a look.
[16:19] <rbasak> infinity: there's some confusion about HWE EOL prompts before 14.04.1 is recommended by update-manager, which I think is fair.
[16:19] <rbasak> infinity: users are asking if the block is for some reason that might mean they should delay forcing an update.
[16:19] <rbasak> infinity: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/08/07/%23ubuntu-server.html#t15:24
[16:20] <rbasak> infinity: do we have an answer for that question please, until 14.04.1 is recommended?
[17:38] <hallyn> zul: so yeah.  feh!  systemd-shim is now being used by libvirtd, and not quite doing the right thing bc it only expected logind to talk to it
[19:23] <hallyn> SUCCESS
[19:28] <hallyn> zul: I'm going to push http://paste.ubuntu.com/7982242/ to utopic to fix standard migration;  then I will probably push http://paste.ubuntu.com/7982241/ to support migration from precise, as well as push Alex Bligh's qemu patch (also required)
[19:42] <Elv1313> Hello, we have build issues on our PPA since a few day because of an upstream package change that seem to conflict with its own dependencies. Can someone take a quick look and revert that chnage? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/181543532/buildlog_ubuntu-utopic-amd64.sflphone-daemon_1.4.1-rc20140804~ppa1~utopic_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[20:05] <hallyn> just running qrt first...
[23:40] <hallyn> xnox: :(
[23:40] <hallyn> (#server)
[23:40] <sarnold> :(
[23:41] <xnox> i've kept -devel, -desktop (cause seb128 is funny when he is trolling), -dmb, -installer, -motu, -uk
[23:41] <xnox> and #upstart, #lxcontainers and #cgmanager.
[23:41] <xnox> undecided about a few others.
[23:42] <xnox> hallyn: sarnold: such is life =)
[23:43] <hallyn> \o see you at plumbers :)
[23:43] <xnox> hallyn: yeah, need to register and organize travel there.
[23:43] <sarnold> xnox: heh, if you're at plumbers and at debconf, I might actually see you more -after- you've left ...
[23:44] <xnox> sarnold: *giggle* true
[23:44] <hallyn> zul: ok, if you could take a look at the qemu and libvirt pkgs in ppa:serge-hallyn/virt, each has 2 extra packages in it, i intend to push them to utopic tomorrow
[23:44] <sarnold> (i'm not actually doing much for debconf, but some of the debian folks interested in apparmor want to get together, sounds like fun...)
[23:44] <hallyn> never been to debconf myself
[23:44] <xnox> sarnold: oh, that does sound like fun!
[23:46] <xnox> sarnold: hallyn: this one looks busy. Best one was in Nicaragua. Excellent location, cheap bear, 8 talks per day across 2 rooms, breakfast / lunch / dinner / hack labs, 1 full day sightseeing day trip.
[23:46] <xnox> it's very laidback.
[23:47]  * hallyn jealous
[23:47] <shadeslayer_> xnox: did you have a look at the ubiquity bug I pinged you about?
[23:48] <xnox> shadeslayer_: nope, been testing/fighting to push out 12.04.5. Let me look at it.
[23:48]  * shadeslayer_ is pondering about coming to conf week
[23:49] <xnox> shadeslayer_: conf week? DebConf that is?
[23:51] <shadeslayer_> no, the large conference week at Düsseldorf
[23:53] <shadeslayer_> with linux plumbers conf and couple of other ones
[23:54] <stgraber> I know quite a few Ubuntu folks will be there, we'll be a bunch from Foundations and there will be all the kernel team too I think
[23:55] <shadeslayer_> Embedded Linux Conference was the one I was thinking about
[23:56] <shadeslayer_> there's also Cloud Open Europe and the KVM forum that happens the same week
[23:56] <shadeslayer_> mental ^_^
[23:58] <shadeslayer_> xnox: re ubiquity, its something to do with privilege escalation
[23:59] <xnox> shadeslayer_: hm.
[23:59] <shadeslayer_> it complains about not being able to run commands as a different user, and works fine when using sudo, which sounds like a privilege escalation issue to me


[20:59] <HardWareGuy> You know... I wouldn't trust wordpress for a distro's homepage.
[21:12] <HardWareGuy> Does ubuntu-gnome use debian unstable/testing as the source for gnome stuff or do they package in things on their own, i guess a mix of both
[22:31] <darkxst> HardWareGuy, this cycle we are largely in sync with debian/experimental, however generally in many other cycles we would be ahead of debian
[22:34] <HardWareGuy> Kubuntu is made by a lot of KDE guys, many gnome guys in gnobuntu too?
[22:35] <HardWareGuy> Or are the gnome devs more in fedoraland
[22:40] <darkxst> most of the gnome desktop team is employed by Red Hat, so Fedora
[22:41] <darkxst> we do however work with upstream gnome as well
[22:42] <darkxst> that I don't believe many of the core gnome devs have much to do with actual packaging etc on Fedora
[22:42] <HardWareGuy> The design is pretty stock right now, going to make some changes? coloration, thin the windows, custom backgrounds, layout tweaks
[22:44] <HardWareGuy> The distro could bring a lot of people back to gnome with some tweaks to make it more appealing
[22:45] <HardWareGuy> millions stopped using gnome when ubuntu went unity and kde's popularity has risen a lot
[22:46] <HardWareGuy> SteamOS come with gnome because it's vanilla debian with custom repos added on for steam and drivers
[22:47] <darkxst> SteamOS could have shipped with any DE, they are all there in debian after all
[22:47] <HardWareGuy> Maybe valve has a gnome fanboy :P
[22:49] <darkxst> anyway our aim is to ship a mostly upstream GNOME
[22:49] <darkxst> everyone always says you *must* ship this extension etc, however it always comes down to personal preferences
[22:49] <HardWareGuy> You gotta at least have an improved theme if you want to lure more people in, if people see vanilla gnome they won't even bother taking a look
[22:50] <HardWareGuy> Lots of vanilla gnome distros, lots of gnome fud
[22:53] <HardWareGuy> The Kernel Emperor himself said he wishes for a gnome distro that does respins(lol fedora), has lts, and isn't old(debian stable).
[22:55] <HardWareGuy> Ubuntu-Gnome is that, it just needs to stand out a little to get attention.
[23:43] <darkxst> themes are problematic in they get pretty broken with each new release
[23:44] <HardWareGuy> I don't have that issue with any other desktop :-/
[23:44] <darkxst> Ubuntu certainly have big issues with that! and we don't even have a theme designer on our team anyway
[23:45] <HardWareGuy> ubuntu is pretty un-customizable beyond the icons and color
[23:46] <darkxst> but every time gtk is updated there are tons of theme regressions (just you never see them, because they are mostly fixed before upload)
[23:47] <darkxst> and take a look at the 3rd party themes, its usually months before the support latest release


[12:18] <rookie> Hello everyone
[12:19] <diogenes_> hi
[12:19] <rookie> I've run into a peculiar problem and I was wondering if someone would help me get rid of it faster
[12:20] <diogenes_> !ask
[12:21] <rookie> I'm running xubuntu along with windows although on different drives. For some reason xubuntu refuses to connect to the ethernet when first instaled but after a day or so it connects with no problem and without me doing anything
[12:22] <rookie> Also, it has no problem connecting to ehternet if I boot it from live cd...
[12:23] <diogenes_> try reboot router
[12:26] <rookie> It has nothing to do with it since I'm not using a router, I got wire running straight from the electric panel or wherever it comes from to my pc (I live in a flat)
[12:29] <knome> so... what's the issue?
[12:34] <rookie> the issue is that I've got no idea why my xubuntu can't connect to the ethernet for a day or so after I install it but after a certain period of time the problem fixes itself
[12:34] <rookie> mind you that both windows and the live version on installation cd have no problem accessing ethernet
[12:39] <brainwash> rookie: you would have to check the log files then
[12:40] <rookie> that'
[12:40] <rookie> that's a good idea. Now how do I do that?
[12:44] <rookie> Actualy I'll find this myself, thanks for the input
[21:19] <xubuntu21w> Hello. Are there some active community members here ?


[12:06] <tsmithe> theres already plenty
[12:06] <jenda> have a look at wiki.ubuntu.com/Spreadubuntu
[12:06] <jenda> Take it with caution, it's very outdated, but most of the ideas are in there, mainly the second section.
[12:06] <tsmithe> i want a look at the diy site code, though (not that i promise anything)
[12:06] <lotusleaf> jenda: like this? :P http://slashdot.org/%7EHosiah/journal/122963
[12:06] <tsmithe> i'm rather rubbish at php...
[12:07] <lotusleaf> lol @ "5. Anybody with a CD burner and a Linux fetish will have old Linux CDs they don't use anymore - like when you've updated to the new version. Take these CDs with you to the library, and tuck them into the Windows books in the computer books section."
[12:07] <lotusleaf> I'm pretty sure that violates some law
[12:07] <lotusleaf> but it's amusing to read
[12:08] <tsmithe> not really, i wouldnt have thought
[12:08] <tsmithe> well im off to bed. email me if you want help. my address is on launchpad
[12:14] <jenda> hehe :)
[01:50] <jenda> LOL "6. Go to the Ubuntu site - the page where you can order an Ubuntu disk sent to you for free - and fill in RANDOM ADDRESSES. Mystery gifts from the software fairy. "
[08:28] <BHSPitMonkey> yo
[06:07] <jenda> Yo MitchM.
[06:08] <MitchM> hey jenda
[06:08] <MitchM> whats up?
[06:10] <jenda> nuttin
[06:10] <jenda> well, a lot really :)
[06:11] <jenda> There's a Linux conference coming up here... I'm trying to squeeeeze myself in...
[06:11] <jenda> ... and ...
[06:11] <jenda> have a look at the front page of ubuntuforums.org :)
[06:12] <MitchM> har har har!
[06:12] <MitchM> =)
[06:12] <MitchM> your going to get slammed :-)
[06:12] <jenda> 3 emails so far.
[06:12] <jenda> It's been there for a day, almost... :)
[06:12] <jenda> so it's not _that_ bad.
[06:12] <jenda> BTW, the price is higher there - it's a donation to the forums.
[06:13] <MitchM> ah.
[06:13] <MitchM> very nice =)
[06:18] <MitchM> lol
[06:48] <lophyte> jenda: ping?
[06:51] <lophyte> damn, missed her again
[06:52] <jenda> lophyte: pong
[06:52] <jenda> erhm...
[06:52] <lophyte> oh hey :)
[06:52] <jenda> _him_ :)
[06:52] <lophyte> oh, hah.. sorry... my apologies
[06:52] <jenda> NP :)
[06:52] <jenda> I wanted to know more about the damages
[06:52] <jenda> of the posters.
[06:53] <lophyte> I can take a picture if you'd like
[06:53] <jenda> sure :)
[06:53] <jenda> BTW, I can't send them flat.
[06:53] <jenda> 1) no envelopes big enough
[06:53] <lophyte> ah
[06:53] <jenda> 2) they would bend them.
[06:53] <lophyte> perhaps a cardboard tube then?
[06:54] <jenda> expensive :/
[06:54] <jenda> But will do if it looks bad enough.
[06:54] <jenda> The other two test-recipients didn't have any visible damage.
[07:01] <lophyte> argh.. I hate wireless so much
[07:03] <lophyte> excuse me while I go throw my wireless router out the window\
[07:03] <Burgwork> http://www.opensuse.org/
[07:03] <Burgwork> ok, that website rocks
[07:04] <lophyte> ...
[07:04] <lophyte> okay, this is ridiculously slow
[07:04] <lophyte> and my link quality is like 90%
[07:05] <jenda> ouch
[07:05] <jenda> Burgwork: wow
[07:06] <Burgwork> just the front page is good
[07:06] <Burgwork> the rest is a little busy
[07:06] <jenda> That's what I was looking for when I asked for Spreadubuntu designs.
[07:06] <jenda> Czech is #3 :)
[07:06] <lophyte> alreight... brb.
[07:06] <Burgwork> frontpage == those language links
[07:06] <jenda> yeppers
[07:06] <jenda> I intended to have the See it, Try it, Get it Shipit links on the front page.
[07:10] <Burgwork> we should do the something similar on ubuntu.com
[07:12] <jenda> Agreed.
[07:12] <jenda> wow.
[07:12] <jenda> yes, agreed :)
[07:13] <jenda> Based around a biga$$ logo...
[07:17] <Burgwork> yep
[07:17] <Burgwork> maybe have big english words, surrounded by smaller other languages
[07:17] <Burgwork> like the logo
[07:17] <Burgwork> do we see what I mean?
[07:19] <jenda> yep :)
[07:21] <Burgwork> excellent
[07:21] <Burgwork> now to mock that upu
[07:22] <jenda> oi...
[07:22] <jenda> Burgwork: have a look at this... if it inspires a bit...
[07:22] <jenda> http://doc.ubuntu.com/~marketing/SpreadUbuntu%20Design%20Mockups/JendaVancura/Mockup2.png
[07:23] <jenda> if it doesn't - pretend you never saw i t:)
[07:23] <Burgwork> it does. I find it is a little busy
[07:25] <jenda> sure, it was intended for something else.
[07:25] <jenda> But you can use any part or no part of it if it comes in handy.
[07:25] <jenda> tristian is the author of the orig world thing.
[07:26] <lophyte> http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e97/lophyte/IMG_0222.jpg
[07:26] <lophyte> http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e97/lophyte/IMG_0223.jpg
[07:26] <lophyte> jenda ^^
[07:28] <jenda> aww :(
[07:28] <jenda> OK... stuffing the center with somethnig would solve that.
[07:28] <jenda> I'll think about it.
[07:28] <jenda> I'm sorry, lophyte :(
[07:28] <lophyte> yeah, probably
[07:28] <lophyte> no worries.. I'll just put something heavy on them to flatten them
[07:46] <jenda> I'll be giving a speech on Accelerated Desktops :)
[07:46] <jenda> w00t
[07:47] <lophyte> nice
[07:47] <lophyte> I'm hosting a newbie workshop on saturday
[07:47] <jenda> neat-o
[08:08] <MitchM> ls
[08:08] <MitchM> ls -l
[08:14] <jenda> wow


[05:38] <micahg> how far behind is the launchpad diff generator?
[05:38] <micahg> for queues
[05:39] <hyperair> behind? do we really make uploads faster than we can generate diffs?
[05:41] <StevenK> The packagediff script has been disabled for a while, so it has a backlog
[05:44] <micahg> StevenK: is it running again?  is there an ETA for it to catch up?
[05:44] <StevenK> Yes, it's running, and I've honestly not looked at the backlog
[06:10] <micahg> gah, it's at least 3 days behind
[14:38] <searchfgold6789> Would this be the correct place to ask: What is the criteria for marking a bug as a duplicate?
[14:42] <benji> searchfgold6789: I don't know of an official definition, I suspect it differs between projects.  A guideline I like to use is that two bugs are duplicates if fixing one would fix the other and vice versa.
[14:43] <searchfgold6789> benji: Thank you!
[14:43] <benji> my pleasure
[14:45] <TheLordOfTime> I was going to ask whether the bug was in Ubuntu or another launchpad project :P
[14:45] <TheLordOfTime> if its in Ubuntu, they should've asked in #ubuntu-bugs, that's where bugsquad hangs out :P


[11:47] <dzho> irta "ohiobigfootballconference" and thought "uh, ok, what's the big deal?"
[12:35] <yano> http://capslockday.com/
[12:35] <jenni> [ internetonal caps lock day home page ] - https://j.mp/z06B8p


[00:29] <Quintasan> bloody ell that was tiring
[00:30] <Quintasan> Riddell: as I said, I'll start KTp 0.7 later today.
[06:15] <lordievader> yofel: Yes I did try to fix the problem, I also found what the problem was. Jockey depends on an older version of the apt-api. I fixed the jockey-text -l, jockey-kde has a slew of other problems :(
[06:15] <lordievader> Good morning, btw.
[06:26] <soee> hi lordievader
[06:26] <soee> so is there a chance that this drivers installer problem will be fixed any soon ?
[06:27] <valorie> soee: did you file a bug?
[06:28] <lordievader> Hey soee, valorie. How are you both today?
[06:28] <soee> valorie, this was reported few times from what iv seen
[06:28] <valorie> well, that doesn't mean anyone took the time to file a bug report
[06:28] <valorie> hi lordievader
[06:29] <soee> lordievader, hi im fine, though spent yesterday 2 hours trying to make nvidia drivers work :D without success
[06:29] <valorie> good here, winding down the day
[06:29] <lordievader> soee: Ugh, drivers can be a pita. :(
[06:29] <valorie> soee: I heard yesterday that nvidia are opening up their code
[06:29] <lordievader> valorie: :)
[06:29] <valorie> someone observed that hell was freezing over
[06:29] <valorie> lol
[06:29] <soee> valorie, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+bug/1226819 ?
[06:30] <valorie> they were discussing that earlier -- more testing needed
[06:30] <lordievader> Has the jockey been fixed o.o ?
[06:33] <valorie> I thought jockey was being deprecated
[06:33] <valorie> but I haven't heard of anything to replace it
[06:34] <valorie> sometimes misspelled 'jokey' which seems more like it.....
[06:35] <lordievader> valorie: That's what I heard too.
[06:35] <lordievader> Perhaps its back to the good old figuring out what you need and downloading the blob from their website.
[06:36] <valorie> I remember the 'good old days
[06:36] <valorie> not so good
[06:37] <lordievader> Yeah that is quite true... Too bad the jockey is getting deprecated.
[06:39] <valorie> I'm not sure that's true; but I heard that
[06:40] <valorie> as i say, I've not seen a replacement
[06:46] <yofel> jockey core is deprecated in favour of ubuntu-drivers-common, but I don't know where Ubuntu has the UI part either
[06:47] <yofel> JT once tried to make a KCM for it, but failed on the fact that kpythonpluginfactory doesn't support py3
[06:48] <valorie> ok
[08:14] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, I got kte-collaborative handy here
[08:15] <apachelogger> oh I guess I should have downloaded amd64 for qa
[08:16] <jussi> this is interesting http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2013/09/05/could-we-see-a-finnish-smartphone-from-nokia-in-2016-jolla-sailfish-android
[09:35] <cortexA9> hello
[09:52] <apachelogger> yofel: bug 1217110 is with a regular kubuntu session?
[09:52] <apachelogger> oh god that is shitty code
[09:52] <apachelogger> who writes stuff like that
[09:53] <Riddell> apachelogger: might be related to input methods
[09:53] <apachelogger> yeah, I know why it crashes but it seems curious that it would suddenly start doing that
[09:54] <apachelogger> bug 927167
[09:55] <apachelogger> attached patch should solve the crash nicely
[09:55] <apachelogger> and there is ibus 1.3.2
[09:55] <apachelogger> ....
[09:56] <apachelogger> I'll selectively backport that fix
[10:01] <Riddell> lovely
[10:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: how is that localized http://i.imgur.com/2hMRgV5.png
[10:05] <apachelogger> and why are the categories not localized :O
[10:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: didn't you fix that quite a while ago?
[10:05] <cyberangel> Regression in Kubuntu Saucy. I cannot add static routes on OpenVPN connections using the new plasma-nm. Just filed the bug 1230198
[10:05] <Riddell> apachelogger: it's not?
[10:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: that's bad?
[10:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you have a plan on how to localize that?
[10:06] <Riddell> yes
[10:06] <Riddell> not yet
[10:06] <apachelogger> that's even worse
[10:06]  * apachelogger cries in a corner
[10:06] <apachelogger> and I still managed to get discover stuck on the sources page not ever going to any other tab
[10:07] <smartboyhw> cyberangel, report it upstream?
[10:07] <Riddell> apol said he'd look at that but not heard anything
[10:07] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/aSycqMQ.png
[10:07] <apachelogger> need a different image there
[10:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: anyone looked into the solid cpu thing?
[10:09] <Riddell> apachelogger: only to confirm it doesn't work because of something missing in /sys
[10:09] <apachelogger> :/
[10:10] <apachelogger> colord still not localized
[10:10] <apachelogger> kio-mtp still not localized
[10:11] <apachelogger> lightdm themes apparently have more strings that cannot be localized
[10:12] <apachelogger> kubuntu stuff still not localized
[10:12] <apachelogger> parts of discover still not localized
[10:17] <Riddell> mm ubiquity on ubuntu unity doesn't have the nm crash issue, probably because nm is running on the ubiquity only session
[10:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: no backtrace for bug 1164236 ? :(
[10:21] <Riddell> apachelogger: no, none came up, didn't have time to go further into it
[10:22] <apachelogger> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-active/daily-live/current/saucy-desktop-i386.iso.zsync
[10:22] <apachelogger> I like how it says desktop so you get to overwrite your actual desktop iso :O
[10:23] <apachelogger> could take a while, intartubes is very slow
[10:24] <apachelogger> so, seems to me all other issues are ubiquity related
[10:24] <apachelogger> somehow I get the feeling that list of bugs is not as complete as it should be :P
[10:25] <apachelogger> zic zic zic needs a fix
[10:25] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1195255] No ubiquity on Kubuntu Netbook desktop @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1195255 (by Jonathan Riddell)
[10:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://trello.com/c/6PUHfiSe what's the status on that actually?
[10:28] <Riddell> apachelogger: still on shadeslayer's todo
[10:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: is https://trello.com/c/DplmVapI done yet? overdue for a month now
[10:41] <Riddell> apachelogger: well no it needs that tabs fix
[10:41] <Riddell> apol: will you be able to look at that soon?
[10:42] <apachelogger> I think that should be a separate card TBH
[10:42] <apachelogger> doesn't necessarily have to do with approval/rejection of it as default PM
[10:42] <Riddell> or just a bug
[10:42] <apachelogger> I'd make a card... issues with discover or something
[10:42] <apachelogger> then post everything on that card
[10:43] <apachelogger> i.e. tab problem, l10n for categories and list/grid options, l10n for the banner thingy
[10:43] <Riddell> list/grid options?
[10:45] <apachelogger> installed tab -> wand in the options box -> switch between list or grid view ... the strings are not localized and supposedly not localizable to begin with
[10:45] <Riddell> hmm
[10:45] <apol> Riddell: I'll try to find a day for muon+kubuntu this week
[10:45]  * apachelogger sighs at kdepim
[10:46] <apachelogger> first we had the kmail import wizard, then we had ktnef of which I am still not sure what it does, and now we also got headerthemeditor
[10:46] <apachelogger> perhaps we should ask them to also put ls and bash and cat in the menu
[10:47] <apachelogger> ohohoh
[10:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: why do I have superkaramba in my menu Oo
[10:48] <apachelogger> uhm
[10:49] <apachelogger> for some reason firefox installer loading just took forever
[10:49] <apachelogger> i.e. discover with firefox
[10:49] <apachelogger> also screenshot is not working for some reason
[10:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: plasma-scriptengine-superkaramba   | superkaramba                   | plasma-scriptengines (Recommends)     | Kubuntu Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>                   |          261568 |            1012
[10:57] <apachelogger> is that intentional or did we simply pick that up from debian?
[10:58] <apachelogger>   * Drop plasma-scriptengine-superkaramba from recommends to suggests, no
[10:58] <apachelogger>     need to have it on the CD since it's really just compatibility with KDE 3
[10:58] <apachelogger> is what we had before
[11:00] <cortexA9> hello
[11:02] <apachelogger> ohm, apparently we have superkaramba on the iso for a while Oo
[11:03] <apachelogger> or not
[11:03] <apachelogger> I am too stupid to use bzr
[11:03]  * apachelogger fastexports to git
[11:04] <apachelogger> AH
[11:04] <apachelogger> we didn't have -scriptengines
[11:04] <apachelogger> but now
[11:04] <cortexA9> apachelogger
[11:04] <apachelogger> plasma-scriptengines               | kde-workspace                  | kde-workspace-bin (Recommends)        | Kubuntu Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>                   |           13952 |             153
[11:05] <apachelogger> cortexA9: it wasn't me
[11:05] <cortexA9> you know if there are problem with grub if install kubuntu and windows 8 ?
[11:05] <apachelogger> shouldn't be
[11:05] <cortexA9> *if i
[11:05] <smartboyhw> cortexA9, shouldn't happen
[11:05] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer is an expert on that :p
[11:06] <cortexA9> i mean problems with dual booting
[11:06] <smartboyhw> cortexA9, did you install an i386 image? Or an amd64 one?
[11:06] <apachelogger> ah yes
[11:07] <apachelogger> Riddell:       - kde-workspace-bin suggests plasma-scriptengines instead of
[11:07] <apachelogger>         recommend
[11:07] <apachelogger> you dropped a delta ^^
[11:07] <cortexA9> smartboyhw just asking..
[11:07] <cortexA9> install nothing right now
[11:09] <cortexA9> smartboyhw: it's an automatic process ?
[11:09] <cortexA9> or i need to do something
[11:10] <cortexA9> because i see on the forum that people have problems with grub
[11:14] <Riddell> apachelogger: can you fix?
[11:14] <apachelogger> already committed
[11:15] <cortexA9> Riddell
[11:15] <cortexA9> you know if it's an automatic process ?
[11:15] <cortexA9> grub configured with windows 8 choice
[11:22] <Riddell> cortexA9: well it ought to be but our windows 8 story probably isn't as good as it should be
[11:32] <apachelogger> afiestas: http://i.imgur.com/JD2LlW7.png who do I have to talk to about that menu entry?
[11:32] <afiestas> apachelogger: ltnkl
[11:47] <Mamarok> really, folks, Nepomuk is still not running correctly, even with KDE 4.11.1
[11:47] <Mamarok> vHanda: ^
[11:48] <Mamarok> could we get that fixed ASAP?
[11:48] <Mamarok> vHanda: and having the systray icon back would really be nice, I forwarded you a few mails about that
[11:51] <ovidiu-florin> how long does it take for a package to get into backports?
[11:52] <Mamarok> ovidiu-florin: that depends on the availability of a packager
[11:52] <ovidiu-florin> Mamarok: please explain. What does that mean?
[11:52] <Mamarok> well, somebody has to package it
[11:53] <Mamarok> ovidiu-florin: what package do you talk about?
[11:53] <ovidiu-florin> just in general, not a specific one
[11:54] <Riddell> as much as I hate to join the nepomuk moaning I also have virtuoso running at 68% of CPU :(
[11:54] <xnox> Riddell: agateau: ScottK: i now believe that bug 1220193 is a duplicate of 1178638 which I have a fix for locally & will be uploading soon.
[11:54] <xnox> bug 1178638
[11:54] <ScottK> Cool.
[11:54] <Riddell> xnox: ooh good news :)
[11:55] <Mamarok> ovidiu-florin: depends on the package, on the availability of a person to do the work, and of course whether a request has been made
[12:12] <ovidiu-florin> Mamarok: for example KTp
[12:18] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[12:18] <cortexA9> morning
[12:20] <smartboyhw> Technically, backports are easy
[12:20] <smartboyhw> (SOMETIMES)
[12:20] <smartboyhw> If there are wrong dependencies, uh oh:P
[12:21] <cortexA9> hehe
[12:22] <BluesKaj> soee:  how did you manage with the nvidia-319 driver ?
[12:23] <soee> BluesKaj, nope
[12:23] <smartboyhw> Worse even if you have build problems with an older gc
[12:23] <smartboyhw> *gcc
[12:23] <soee> i ended up with fresh system installation :D
[12:24] <soee> BluesKaj, but i think ill use Raring because i cant make propriety drivers to work
[12:24] <BluesKaj> soee:  that still just installs the default nouvrau
[12:24] <BluesKaj> nouveau rather
[12:24] <BluesKaj> did you try nividia-current?
[12:25] <soee> BluesKaj, but on Raring i can use Additional drivers panel to ctivate nvidias
[12:25] <soee> and it doesnt work on Saucy
[12:25] <BluesKaj> yeah true, jockey still works on raring
[12:26] <soee> :)
[12:26] <soee> on Saucy the lates 325 from edgers dont work
[12:27] <soee> if i install 319 system wont start
[12:27] <soee> i wonder if it gets fixed soon
[12:29] <BluesKaj> I have the 325 on beta1 , soee ..works fine on my 8400gs
[12:29] <soee> oO
[12:29] <BluesKaj> haven't tried yet on beta2
[12:30] <soee> BluesKaj, i see them active in Additional drivers panel but all effects are down etc.
[12:30] <soee> i have 650M
[12:35] <BluesKaj> yeah soee the higher end nvidia cards aren't as well supported for some reason
[12:37] <soee> BluesKaj, but 650M isnt any new or something
[12:52] <BluesKaj> installing nvidia-325 from xedgers as we speak , wish me luck :)
[12:54] <soee> :)
[13:00] <BluesKaj>  dkms status:  nvidia-325, 325.15, 3.11.0-8-generic, x86_64: installed
[13:08] <BluesKaj> looking good so far for the nvidia-325 on saucy beta 2
[13:11] <soee> :<>
[13:11] <soee> lucky you :)
[13:26] <smartboyhw> Second Dot article out!
[13:29] <smartboyhw> http://dot.kde.org/2013/09/25/frameworks-5 \o/
[13:30] <BluesKaj> soee:  I've seen the nvidia 600 series cards encounter driver problems in the past , unfortunately, but I don't know if there's a fix . I know that some have filed bugs about it..
[13:32] <soee> smartboyhw, nice work :)
[13:32] <soee> BluesKaj, laso i have 2 gpu on my laptop i wonder if this can cause some problems
[13:32] <soee> there is some intel and nvidia
[13:33] <soee> on Windows this intel is used by default when there is no need for more powerful, and nvidia is activated when more power is needed
[13:37] <yofel> smartboyhw++
[13:53] <BluesKaj> soee:  yes , then you need to install bumblebee if it's the optimus gpu system
[14:06] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[14:07] <Riddell> hi lordievader
[14:07] <lordievader> Hey Riddell, how are you?
[14:07] <cortexA9> hi Riddell
[14:08] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell lordievader http://geekaliens.com/blog/2013/09/site-ul-kubuntu-romania-a-fost-lansat/
[14:09] <ovidiu-florin> you may google translate if you want
[14:09] <ovidiu-florin> also BluesKaj and ScottK ^^
[14:09] <ovidiu-florin> and everybody else who's interested
[14:10] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, ha ha ha, nice opening ceremony:P
[14:11] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: did you crack open some champagne on the monitor? :)
[14:11] <ovidiu-florin> Wine
[14:11] <ovidiu-florin> That's me and my fiance Laura
[14:12] <ovidiu-florin> that was a surprise she prepared for me
[14:12] <ovidiu-florin> and she got dressed in white & blue (kubunu colors)
[14:12] <lordievader> That's great!
[14:12] <smartboyhw> Cheers!
[14:13] <Quintasan> lol
[14:13] <Quintasan> Yeah, that's nice.
[14:13] <ovidiu-florin> She made me promise that every day, I'll work on that site at least 15 minutes
[14:14] <lordievader> Riddell: Could you run the doc generator script again? As Valter Mura pointed out in the Kubuntu-devel mailing list, http://docs.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/GettingInvolved.html looks very strange. However on my test setup it looks normal...
[14:14] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Good promise!
[14:15] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: You're fiance is also a Kubuntu fan?
[14:16] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, interesting
[14:17] <ovidiu-florin> She is using Kubuntu because of me and she wants to contribute but she doesn't really have much time for that
[14:17] <apachelogger> yofel: https://trello.com/c/wAxCfl94 did you want to handle that?
[14:18] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, wow
[14:18]  * smartboyhw thinks ovidiu-florin's fiance can be the second valorie (LOL)
[14:18] <ovidiu-florin> valorie?
[14:18] <lordievader> Hehe, nice ;)
[14:19] <ovidiu-florin> my brother also uses Kubuntu but he wants to switch distros because of the nvidia drivers
[14:19] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, whoa, you don't know valorie? 0.0
[14:19] <smartboyhw> The only current Kubuntu Council women (am I correct?)
[14:20]  * ovidiu-florin wonders how many women are there in the kubuntu comunity...
[14:20] <BluesKaj> methinks valorie is a guy
[14:20] <apachelogger> anyone at all interessted in UFW?
[14:20] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, UFW?
[14:20] <apachelogger> BluesKaj: she's a lady
[14:20] <apachelogger> UFW = unidentified firewall
[14:21] <apachelogger> or something equally silly
[14:21] <smartboyhw> No thanks....
[14:21] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: uncomplicated firewall
[14:21] <ovidiu-florin> why?
[14:21] <BluesKaj> ok , I stand corrected apachelogger
[14:21] <apachelogger> have a task for it https://trello.com/c/OUuTZcud
[14:21] <apachelogger> i.e. the checking out existing GUIs for their viability is a non-development thing so that can be done by anyone who's interested in having a firewall gui
[14:23] <ovidiu-florin> I would be interested in that, but I'm not sure how much time I have to allocate to that since the school just started
[14:24] <ovidiu-florin> what's the deadline?
[14:24] <apachelogger> no deadline
[14:24] <ovidiu-florin> what do you mean?
[14:25] <apachelogger> whenever you have time or anyone has time really
[14:25] <ovidiu-florin> ok, then I'm in
[14:25] <ovidiu-florin> :D
[14:25] <apachelogger> it's not a hard feature target, people just keep asking for it so we should try to come up with something useful at some point
[14:25] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: awesome
[14:26] <ovidiu-florin> AFAIK there are a few GUIS
[14:26] <ovidiu-florin> but in GTK
[14:26] <ovidiu-florin> but I think I saw one in Qt, not sure though
[14:27] <soee> BluesKaj, ok im home, ill try to fix this nvidia drivers now :)
[14:28] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncomplicated_Firewall#GUIs_for_Uncomplicated_Firewall
[14:28] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: I at least know of two in Qt, but both did not look very easy to use, so unless something better can be found I would not opposed to the idea of rewriting one of the GTK UIs using Qt
[14:28] <apachelogger> I am not sure that list is complete ^6
[14:28] <apachelogger> but it at least has 2 qt based ones
[14:29] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: maybe just try the 2 qt ones and see how easy they are to use
[14:30] <apachelogger> because the gufw UI is pretty much what I expect the default experience to be
[14:30] <apachelogger> there's plenty of UIs to do all the advanced firewall management stuff, there's nothing that allows you to do simple yes/no stuff
[14:31] <yofel> apachelogger: I did plan to look at that, but I'm constantly postponing it (at least it doesn't break anything right now)
[14:33] <apachelogger> yofel: going to throw work time at it tomorrow, if you have anything to comment on what/where/when/why plz do ^^
[14:33] <apachelogger> need to get that todo list cleaned up for release
[14:33] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: any links to the qt one you've found?
[14:34] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: I think that's the two from wikipedia the KCM and kmyfirewall
[14:35] <ovidiu-florin> oh, I missed them, my browser window wasn't maximized
[14:35] <Quintasan> smartboyhw, my friend, I'd recommend you show the package to Debian guys to see what it needs to get included into Debian.
[14:35] <Quintasan> I'm talking about kate-collaborative of course.
[14:35] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, it's kte-collaborative:P
[14:36] <smartboyhw> OK, sure
[14:36] <Quintasan> Uh, branding hell
[14:36] <smartboyhw> But I heard that kte-collaborative depends on KTp >= \0.6.80
[14:37] <Quintasan> It does, and I am working on it in Debian.
[14:37] <apachelogger> go fix some kubuntu bugs instead :@
[14:37] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, HA HA HA HA HAH
[14:39] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: I can't comment on trello. Am I not supposed to?
[14:40] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: do you have an account?
[14:40] <ovidiu-florin> Yes
[14:40] <ovidiu-florin> I'm not a member of that board
[14:40] <ovidiu-florin> I'm only using the Kubuntu Romania board so far
[14:41] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: can I be a member of the 13.10 board on trello?
[14:41] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: you are now kubuntu member on trello :)
[14:41] <ovidiu-florin> thank you
[14:42] <apachelogger> if you reload the page you should be able to join the board and comment
[14:42] <ovidiu-florin> yeeey
[14:44] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: can I move that cart in the Doing List?
[14:44] <ovidiu-florin> card*
[14:44] <Riddell> apachelogger: your netbook fix seems to do the job, I'll throw it in and respin for beta 2
[14:44] <apachelogger> yofel, Riddell: oh, I just noticed https://trello.com/c/kpN1Nh2S the entire algorithm of that was implemented for the autosnapshotter of neon5
[14:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: groovy
[14:44] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: sure
[14:48] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: take a look at this: http://youtu.be/gLmRo7dYbJg?t=6m45s
[14:48] <ovidiu-florin> looks pretty neat to me
[14:48] <ovidiu-florin> I'll test it once I get home
[14:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: so... we have two new entires in the menu ktnef which is a windows mail something file viewer thing and an editor for the email haeder in kmail, both of which IMO should not be in the default install and montel says we can put them them in separate packages without problems (i.e. they are meant to be standalone)
[14:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: any objections to me splitting those thingums from whatever generic kdepim package they are in right now?
[14:58] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: could still be simpler ^^
[14:59] <Quintasan> apachelogger actually +1 on that
[14:59] <apachelogger> Updated:  May 23 2012
[14:59] <Quintasan> I was wondering wtf those things are and why would I need the,
[14:59] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: may be worthwhile to mail the author and ask if he is still working on it
[15:00] <ovidiu-florin> shouldn't this be taken by KDE and published?
[15:00] <apachelogger> Quintasan: y u no file bugz?
[15:00] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: that'd be the long term target
[15:00] <Quintasan> I haz had no internetz apachelogger
[15:00] <apachelogger> Quintasan: u mad bro?
[15:00] <Quintasan> Not really. Could take a break from you :P
[15:01] <apachelogger> :(
[15:01] <Quintasan> that said
[15:01] <Quintasan> kubotu: order beer for apachelogger
[15:01]  * kubotu gives apachelogger a nice frosty mug of beer.
[15:01] <apachelogger> u no luv me?
[15:01] <apachelogger> sweet baby jesus
[15:01] <apachelogger> that kcm got a lot of files
[15:01] <Quintasan> kubotu: order vodka for apachelogger
[15:01]  * kubotu slides vodka down the bar to apachelogger
[15:02] <apachelogger> it has a lineedit.cpp
[15:02] <Quintasan> We clearly need more lines for kubotu apachelogger
[15:02] <smartboyhw> kubotu: order beer for shadeslayer
[15:02]  * kubotu gives shadeslayer a nice frosty mug of beer.
[15:03] <smartboyhw> That was for the roll on working un-rebuildable packages the past days:P
[15:03] <apachelogger> Quintasan: eh wha?
[15:03] <apachelogger> kubotu: order good beer
[15:03]  * kubotu slides the finest Belgium Trappist beer down the bar to apachelogger.
[15:03] <apachelogger> there a bazillion lines, you just don't know em :P
[15:03] <Quintasan> try ordering vodka
[15:03] <apachelogger> vodka is for alcoholics
[15:04] <Quintasan> Go ahead and try telling me you are not.
[15:04] <apachelogger> real men conduct partys
[15:04] <apachelogger> kubotu: order party set
[15:04]  * kubotu gives everyone a party hat and a hand full of conffeti.
[15:04] <Quintasan> I wouldn't believe you even if you pai...or maybe if you paid me I would believe it.
[15:04] <apachelogger> there we go
[15:04] <Quintasan> kubotu: order whisky for apachelogger
[15:04]  * kubotu slides whisky down the bar to apachelogger
[15:04] <Quintasan> meh
[15:05] <smartboyhw> kubotu: order coke for smartboyhw
[15:05]  * kubotu slides a cold can of tasty Coca Cola(r) down the bar to smartboyhw.
[15:05] <Riddell> apachelogger: if they're split will they not be installed by default?
[15:05] <smartboyhw> I love Coca-Cola(r) !
[15:05] <apachelogger> kubotu: order breakfast, de
[15:05]  * kubotu slides a Knoppix down the bar to apachelogger.
[15:05] <apachelogger> kubotu: thanks
[15:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: nah, not on the seed
[15:05] <Quintasan> kubotu: order breakfast, en
[15:05]  * kubotu slides breakfast, en down the bar to Quintasan
[15:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: i.e. ktnef.deb kmail-headerwahtever.deb
[15:06] <apachelogger> Quintasan: uk I think
[15:06] <Quintasan> kubotu: order breakfast, uk
[15:06] <apachelogger> or us
[15:06]  * kubotu slides breakfast, uk down the bar to Quintasan
[15:06] <Quintasan> kubotu: order breakfast, us
[15:06]  * kubotu slides breakfast cereals, a bagel, 2 pancakes, scrambled eggs and a cup of hot coffee down the bar to Quintasan.
[15:06] <Quintasan> hm
[15:06] <apachelogger> kubotu: order breakfast, uk, full for Quintasan
[15:06]  * kubotu slides scrambled eggs, bacon, one sausage, black pudding, mushrooms, baked beans, hash browns, half of a tomato, one toast and a tea with fresh milk down the bar to Quintasan.
[15:06] <Quintasan> Yes, more like it.
[15:06] <apachelogger> ^^
[15:07] <Quintasan> I still believe we need more alcohol in there.
[15:07] <apachelogger> kubotu: order breakfast, at for Riddell
[15:07]  * kubotu slides 5 floors of backon and some wurst with bread, a glass of schnaps and a new deck down the bar to Riddell.
[15:07] <smartboyhw> Wow
[15:07] <apachelogger> ^ it's for when you want to kill someone
[15:07] <smartboyhw> kubotu: order dinner
[15:07]  * kubotu slides dinner down the bar to smartboyhw
[15:07] <smartboyhw> :(
[15:07] <apachelogger> Quintasan: that statement may be true regardless of location and time of day
[15:08] <apachelogger> oh
[15:08] <apachelogger> also classi
[15:08] <apachelogger> c
[15:08] <apachelogger> kubotu: order cookies, xmas
[15:08]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of last year's, now all dry cookies, down the crappy decorated and totally falling apart bar to apachelogger and shouts: Happy whatever -.-
[15:08] <Quintasan> that said ordering vodka should make kubotu slide 5 chilled shots of vodka down the bar
[15:08] <smartboyhw> kubotu: order dinner, uk
[15:08]  * kubotu slides dinner, uk down the bar to smartboyhw
[15:08] <smartboyhw> Huh
[15:09] <Riddell> apachelogger: but what if a user needs them? will they know to install them?
[15:09] <apachelogger> kubotu: order data for Quintasan
[15:09]  * kubotu is telling Quintasan that they performed an illegal operation and needs to be exterminated.
[15:09] <Quintasan> as for whisky I believe we should ask Riddell for opinion
[15:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: they won't
[15:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: those two tools are new in .11
[15:09] <apachelogger> ktnef requires you to have weird windows mail server attachments and requires you to know how to handle them, that you can handle them etc.
[15:09] <Quintasan> Clearly not what our generic users want.
[15:09] <apachelogger> and well, editing the header kmail displays with...
[15:10] <apachelogger> not a deal breaking use case ^^
[15:10] <apachelogger> kubotu: order mai tai for Quintasan
[15:10]  * kubotu shakes 3cl white rum, 1.5 cl orange curaçao, 1.5 cl Orgeat syrup and 1 cl fresh lime juice, strains it into a glass and floats 3 cl dark rum onto the top, and slides the cocktail down the bar to Quintasan. Voilà, your Mai Tai :)
[15:10] <apachelogger> many useful recipes that old robot has :P
[15:11] <Quintasan> You clearly have too much time on your hands :P
[15:11] <Quintasan> Add the vodka one on the double!
[15:11] <apachelogger> while I was on the amarok team we did not drink vodka!
[15:11] <apachelogger> hence why there is no vodka support
[15:12] <apachelogger> kubotu: order enterprise
[15:12]  * kubotu shouts ENGAGE!
[15:12] <apachelogger> ^ true story
[15:12] <Quintasan> Then I demand whisky support at least
[15:13] <apachelogger> Quintasan: first we need to know what kind of whisky etc.
[15:13] <Quintasan> Riddell: Your opinion is needed.
[15:13] <Quintasan> The aforementioned topic requires your expertise on the subject.
[15:17]  * apachelogger leaves for supper
[15:18] <Riddell> Quintasan: what what?
[15:19] <Quintasan> Riddell: We are discussing what kind of whisky should kubotu serve were youto order one
[15:27] <soee> anyone here running nvidia drivers with this optimus  function ?
[15:32] <Riddell> Quintasan: oh a Balvenie Doublewood naturally
[15:33] <Quintasan> soee: Me.
[15:33] <Riddell> Quintasan: but you could also ask Nightrose, she's leart about the goodness of the Irn Bru recently
[15:33] <Quintasan> apachelogger: ^^
[15:33] <soee> Quintasan, saucy / raring ?
[15:33] <Quintasan> raring
[15:34] <soee> Quintasan, are you using maybe nvidia-prime or bumblebee ?
[15:34] <Quintasan> bumblebee
[15:34] <soee> Quintasan, ok i think ill go for raring as i cant make nvidia work on saucy
[15:39] <Riddell> lordievader: sorry I didn't get back to you, we'll need to look to tidy up the docs downloader after beta 2 tomorrow
[15:39] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: can I reblog your blog post?
[15:39] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: sure
[15:40] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: did you get in contact with the ubuntu ro people? would be nice to be friends with them
[15:40] <Riddell> suggest they add a link to the ro.kubuntu site for example
[15:40] <ovidiu-florin> not yet. I'm not sure what to say
[15:40] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: do you want a translation for my blog post?
[15:41] <lordievader> Riddell: Sure, we'll do it tommorow.
[15:41] <soee> oh lord.. invalid or corrupt kenrel image :)
[15:41] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, have you got an IRC channel for Kubuntu Romania?
[15:41] <ovidiu-florin> no
[15:41] <ovidiu-florin> I wanted to ask for one
[15:41] <ovidiu-florin> also a mail list
[15:41] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, sure, we can set up all that.
[15:42] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/CreatingChannels for creating your IRC channel
[15:43] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: maybe say "hi sorry I didn't get in contact before, I don't want to split the community just provide another option for people who use kde in ubuntu, can we swap links?"
[15:43] <Riddell> but with more padding to it
[15:43] <smartboyhw> So your channel should be #kubuntu-ro
[15:43] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, here are two options to set up a mailing list
[15:43] <smartboyhw> 1. Make a Launchpad team, and use the in-built mailing list feature
[15:43] <smartboyhw> 2. make a lists.ubuntu.com mailing list
[15:45] <ovidiu-florin> so there is now way we could get something like<EMAIL_ADDRESS>address?
[15:45] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, emmm...
[15:46] <smartboyhw> I think you need to ask Canonical IS
[15:46] <ovidiu-florin> as a mail list
[15:46] <smartboyhw> Since @kubuntu.org address are normally for Kubuntu Members
[15:47] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, ^
[15:47] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[15:47] <ovidiu-florin> I'll ask the others
[15:47] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, what's more, mailing lists normally do have a @lists.*.* stuff;P
[15:47] <ovidiu-florin> and see what we'll do
[15:48] <ovidiu-florin> for me that's simple... for some people that might be hard to memorize
[15:48] <smartboyhw> you can setup the IRC channel today
[15:48] <ovidiu-florin> will do when I get home
[15:48] <ovidiu-florin> added it to trello
[15:48] <ovidiu-florin> smartboyhw: https://trello.com/b/OxkEQ8dS/kubuntu-romania
[15:49] <ovidiu-florin> thank you
[15:49] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, nice, :)
[15:49] <ovidiu-florin> thank you Riddell for the mail proposal
[15:50] <Riddell> http://blogs.kde.org/2013/09/25/site-ul-kubuntu-rom%C3%A2nia-fost-lansat
[15:50] <smartboyhw> "Now that's style" :
[15:50] <smartboyhw> :0
[15:50] <smartboyhw> :)
[15:53] <Sick_Rimmit> Hello folks
[15:54] <Sick_Rimmit> I'm struggling like heck trying to install Kubuntu 13.04 on a MacPro 1 - has anyone here got any advice please ?
[15:54] <smartboyhw> Do we have amd64+mac images again for 13.04?
[15:55] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: :)
[15:55] <Sick_Rimmit> I couldn't see on eon the UK Mirro
[15:55] <ovidiu-florin> awesome
[15:58] <Sick_Rimmit> Seems that its an EFI issue, as it gets stuck with the <Select CD-ROM Boot Type:> prompt
[16:00] <davmor2> Sick_Rimmit: first of all are you trying with a 64bit version of Kubuntu as it is efi based?
[16:00] <Sick_Rimmit> davmor2: Yes I have the AMD64 image
[16:01] <Sick_Rimmit> FRom the docs I have read so far it appears to be an issue with Mac, as others have got stuck at this prompt, but I can't find my way aroundit
[16:01] <Sick_Rimmit> Hoping that someone here may have come across this before
[16:07] <davmor2> Sick_Rimmit: not me I'm afraid
[16:08] <Sick_Rimmit> Well I'm starting to get a littl e frustrated now, so that means in anouth 30 minutes there will be an Ex Mac Pro sitting on my drive in the rain if anyone wants it
[16:08] <davmor2> Sick_Rimmit: out of interest where does it die?  I'm thinking that if it is getting to the installer and then dying you could try booting into Live Desktop mode?
[16:09] <Sick_Rimmit> davmor2: It boots to a black screen that says 1. 2. Select CD-ROm Boot Type:
[16:10] <Sick_Rimmit> davmor2: Of course you can't select anything because it appers the keyboard buffer is not beeing red.
[16:10] <Sick_Rimmit> davmor2: If I understand it correctly, it is because Apple made a half arsed job of the EFI system on the Mac Pro 1's
[16:10] <davmor2> Sick_Rimmit: have you tried booting from usb rather than cdrom?
[16:11] <Sick_Rimmit> davmor2: Apparently some have got it to work by holding the 1 + Enter key down prior to the boot,
[16:11] <Sick_Rimmit> davmor2: No I haven't tried that
[16:11] <Sick_Rimmit> But I will
[16:12] <davmor2> Sick_Rimmit: EFI reads a usb drive and cdrom differently, so there is a very slim chance that it might get further
[16:12] <Sick_Rimmit> davmor2: Roger that, its worth a try
[16:24] <soee> Quintasan, how did you installed 319 on Raring ?
[16:24] <soee> i see only 313 in Additional Drivers
[16:26] <Mamarok> ovidiu-florin: nice pictures of your site launch :) Congratulations!
[16:26] <ovidiu-florin> Mamarok: thank you
[16:52] <BluesKaj> soee:  I think the 319 drivers are available at xedgers ppa , deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/xorg-edgers/ppa/ubuntu saucy main
[16:53] <soee> BluesKaj, yes
[16:53] <soee> just installed them with 325 i think
[16:54] <soee> i need to upgrade KDE than ill test how it works
[17:05] <BluesKaj> soee:  install dkms then run, dkms status , to show the installed driver
[17:12] <soee> hmm 325 are active and i dont see 319
[17:13] <soee> but i cant set Opengl 3.1
[17:23] <BluesKaj> soe try the raster setting for Qt graphics first, then OpenGL 3.1
[17:24] <BluesKaj> soee: ^
[17:25] <soee> I wonder if it uses this integrated intel card or nvidia
[17:27] <BluesKaj> depends on your power settings perhaps , and whether or not you're on battery or line power
[17:27] <soee> it is impossible to set opengl
[17:29] <soee> hmm cant start kded4
[17:30] <soee> power managmend is not loaded ..
[17:49] <Sick_Rimmit> davmor2: Ah, no joy with the USB stick im afraid :-( worth a try though
[17:51] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1195255] No ubiquity on Kubuntu Netbook desktop @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1195255 (by Jonathan Riddell)
[17:54] <Sick_Rimmit> Ah ha
[17:55] <Sick_Rimmit> We might be in luck, I have found a 12.04 LTS release+mac image in the repo
[17:55] <Sick_Rimmit> I am gonna try that
[17:56] <Sick_Rimmit> davmor2: Thanks for helping me out, I really appreciate your input.
[17:59] <soee> when upgrading KDE 4.10 => 4.11 kscreen should be stopped ?
[18:01] <soee> also option Unsupported updates should be checked by default ?
[18:45] <soee> ok finally  i was able to run opengl 3.1 ;O
[18:45] <ovidiu-florin> Home at last
[19:27] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: are you around?
[20:20] <soee> what is the command to upgrade 13.04 -> 13.10 ?
[20:26] <Blizzz> do-release-upgrade -d
[20:26] <Blizzz> soee: ^
[20:27] <soee> Blizzz, thanks
[20:27] <Blizzz> yw
[21:09] <apachelogger> Quintasan: so what's the nus on the whisky?
[21:10] <Quintasan> apachelogger: According to our Whisky Overlord Riddell, Balvenie Doublewood shall be it
[21:10] <apachelogger> is that a name or what?
[21:11] <Quintasan> I believe it is
[21:11] <apachelogger> "use it in a sentence please"
[21:11] <Quintasan> Hm
[21:12] <Quintasan> GIVE ME SOME Balvenie Doublewood BLOODY FOOL, ELSE I'M GOIN' TO THROW S'ME AX'S AT YOU
[21:12] <apachelogger> that sounds almost scottish
[21:12] <Quintasan> lol
[21:12] <Quintasan> It's 12yo single malt
[21:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: can we get a proper scottish sentence using the the name plz? :P
[21:13] <apachelogger> I want agression and stuff and "what ya lookink at?"
[21:13] <apachelogger> Quintasan: what does that mean?
[21:13] <apachelogger> other than it probably went bad already because its ETOOOLD
[21:15] <Quintasan> I believe that single malt is whisky made at one particular distilery using a single malt
[21:16] <apachelogger> kubotu: wp single malt
[21:16] <kubotu> error googling for single malt
[21:16] <apachelogger> ololo
[21:16] <apachelogger> the google is broken
[21:17]  * apachelogger duckduckwalks
[21:17] <apachelogger> Single malt whisky is a whisky made at one particular distillery from a mash that uses only malted grain, ordinarily barley.
[21:17] <Quintasan> uh, malt is a malt, what do you want me to explain about it xD
[21:17] <Quintasan> Makes sense
[21:18] <Quintasan> I was missing the barley part
[21:18] <apachelogger> can you make booze from !malted grain?
[21:19] <apachelogger> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grain_whisky
[21:19] <apachelogger> tha wikipedia knows it all
[21:19] <Quintasan> kubotu should slide a slightly chilled glass of finest 12 years old Balvenie Doublewood down the bar shouting something Scottish at him
[21:20] <apachelogger> In Scotland, "malt whisky" must use a 100% malted barley mash and must be distilled in a pot still, whereas grain whisky is typically distilled in a continuous column still in a manner that results in a higher percentage of alcohol by volume (ABV), but less flavorful spirit.
[21:20] <apachelogger> oh whay what, why
[21:20] <Quintasan> like YA'D BETTER DOWN THAT IN A SINGLE GO CHAP
[21:20] <apachelogger> so grain whisky is superior because it got more of the boozyness
[21:21] <Quintasan> Maybe, it's less flavorful though.
[21:21] <apachelogger> Quintasan: nonono he'd be shouting "what are ye looking at"
[21:21] <apachelogger> and wave his fist
[21:21] <apachelogger> Quintasan: if ye down it in a one go ye aint gonna notice, now are ye?
[21:21] <apachelogger> clearly ye POVs are all mixed up
[21:22] <Quintasan> Watch'a lookin' at chap?
[21:22] <apachelogger>  Because of this practice, grain whisky is seldom bottled by itself in Scotland, where it is instead manufactured primarily for blending with malt whisky to create blended whiskies, which account for over 90% of all Scotch whisky sales.
[21:22] <apachelogger> Quintasan: scotts aint saying chap
[21:22] <Quintasan> s/chap/bloody bastard/
[21:22] <kubotu> Quintasan meant: "Watch'a lookin' at bloody bastard?"
[21:22] <apachelogger> more like it
[21:22] <apachelogger> also I think we want a blended whisky
[21:23] <Quintasan> Hell no, we want a single malt
[21:23] <apachelogger> for it has superior boozyness and superior flavor
[21:23] <apachelogger> you can enjoy the flavor and throw it down like water, so everyone is happy
[21:23] <Quintasan> Balvenie Doublewood has Riddell's seal of approval, you can't go wrong with that.
[21:24] <apachelogger> but it aint got no boozyness :P
[21:25] <Quintasan> I has damn 40% or more
[21:25] <Quintasan> You need more?
[21:25] <apachelogger> 90% of scotch whisky sales say we need more!
[21:26] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Spirytus Rektyfikowany Luksusowy 96%
[21:26] <Quintasan> drink this
[21:26] <apachelogger> is that a name?
[21:26] <apachelogger> "use it in a sentence please"
[21:27] <Quintasan> Daj Pani trochę Luksusowego, co?
[21:27] <Quintasan> Give me some Luksusowy, wont'cha?
[21:27] <apachelogger> that's what kubotu will say
[21:27] <Quintasan> It's a spirit
[21:28] <apachelogger> it's sufficient gibberish that people can believe it got the boozyness
[21:28] <Quintasan> LOL
[21:28] <Quintasan> It's VAC is 96% as you can see in the name
[21:28] <apachelogger> I figured
[21:28] <Quintasan> You don't drink that by itself unless you really want to end up dead.
[21:28] <apachelogger> you drink it with a glass of whisky on the side
[21:29] <apachelogger> a ha!
[21:29] <Quintasan> I no longer have any idea what's your thought process.
[21:29] <apachelogger> I don't either
[21:29] <apachelogger> ETOOTIRED
[21:31] <apachelogger> please be sending a letter to darth vader asking him to ask sauron to call me and tell me the password for the deathstar so I can change kubotu
[21:31] <apachelogger> that how tired I am
[21:31] <apachelogger> anywayz
[21:31] <apachelogger> Quintasan: if you write me the lines of drunken gibberish kubotu should yell I can add the super abilities
[21:31] <apachelogger> until then
[21:31] <apachelogger> kubotu: order bed
[21:31]  * kubotu is placing a cot for apachelogger in the corner of #kubuntu-devel.
[21:31] <apachelogger> kubotu: :*
[21:38] <soee> yofel, got a moment ?
[22:01] <Riddell> ooh new builds are up
[22:02] <Riddell> !testers | beta 2 candidates
[22:06] <soee> uhm
[22:06] <soee> i have yesterdays iso
[22:06] <soee> its outdated ?
[22:17] <Riddell> yeah, that's old news
[22:17] <Riddell> zsync the new ones
[22:18] <soee> uh i just installed that build on my laptop :D
[22:18] <soee> i can test tomorrow on VM
[22:18] <Riddell> a testers life is never finished
[22:19] <soee> this optimus technology from nvidia is a mess
[22:22] <soee> Riddell, i have one question
[22:23] <soee> after fresh installation when i open muon and edit its properties inside Updtes tab option Unsupported updates is checked
[22:23] <soee> this should be that way ?
[22:39] <Riddell> soee: nope, that should be -proposed
[22:39] <soee> Riddell, ok but 4th option is checked - the one i mentioned
[22:44] <Riddell> sounds like a bug
[22:57] <Riddell> soee: sorry I'm tired and not able to confirm, but report it upstream if you think it's a problem
[22:58] <Riddell> yay for xnox, wifi working
[22:58] <Riddell> agateau: ↑
[22:58] <Riddell> yay for apachelogger, netbook working
[23:34] <Riddell> yay for working OEM
[23:41] <xnox> all sounds  very good ! \o/
[23:52] <Quintasan> Hmm
[23:52] <Quintasan> Riddell: I think I'll have to package libkpeople first to get the beta done
[23:52] <Riddell> Quintasan: that sounds likely
[23:52] <Quintasan> It's going to be more work than expected yet again
[23:53] <Quintasan> Debian is not sure if they want it in since it's likely to have ABI breakage and I'm not so keen on maintaining two different versions of pacakaging
[23:53] <Riddell> um, isn't Debian unfrozen?
[23:53] <Quintasan> I'd love to have the beta with libkpeople
[23:53] <Quintasan> ScottK probably knows
[23:57] <Riddell> it is, sid unfrozen into jessie
[23:57] <Riddell> Quintasan: so debian will take it even if not yet for the beta
[23:58] <Riddell> and it'll go in a ppa for kubuntu and we'll take it after 13.10 is out
[23:58] <Riddell> so it'll need packaged, may as well do it sooner
[23:58] <Riddell> than later
[23:58] <Quintasan> Certainly, for now I will go to bed, I have the preliminary work done so the rest should be easy once I manage to pester someone to review it.
[23:59] <Riddell> good idea, I will go to bed too