[00:00] <saltedlight_> just one more thing... and i'm done today...
[00:00]  * zcat[1] is doing a presentation on the new features in Hardy tonight :)
[00:00] <teamcobra> zcat: nice :D
[00:01] <Silverdawn> Hello, Im trying to get my C-Media CMI8738 working properly under ubuntu linux, For some reason im not getting sound from the central speaker, Yet the card supports 5.1 surround sound and my speakers are a 5.1 system. any ideas?
[00:01] <zcat[1]> 'cos we couldn't organize a real presenter this month for the LUG :)
[00:01] <Silverdawn> ((Sorry about the obvious parts i just c&p'ed from #alsa)
[00:01] <teamcobra> zcat: my company uses hardy for our livecds and server now ;)
[00:01] <saltedlight_> i have the same problem... but my card is AC97 and is 6+1
[00:02] <Zoem> I have a worse problem... I also have the cmedia, but I have no sound at all :)
[00:02] <zcat[1]> I'm inclined to prefer debian for servers still... but usually I don't have time to do it properly end end up just using ubuntu.
[00:02] <zcat[1]> *and
[00:02] <saltedlight_> i have some sound... from the system speaker ~X(
[00:02] <teamcobra> brb
[00:03] <zcat[1]> teamcobra: what company?
[00:03] <teamcobra> heh, my server also has to be usable from a desktop level..... even though it is colocated
[00:03] <teamcobra> smartolive.com , I am right in the middle of redoing everything and launching a _lot_ of services
[00:03] <teamcobra> brb
[00:04] <zcat[1]> Yeah... people get funny about me putting a desktop on servers.. but FFS gdm even if I leave it running uses practically zero resources..
[00:04] <zcat[1]> .. and then I have all the nice GUI tools that I can use with ssh -X or at console
[00:04] <Zoem> zcat[1], I did the same thing... it just makes some things easier
[00:04] <individual_elev> how do i create a live cd of hardy? i have downloaded it and it is in winrar form?
[00:05] <jimiridge> who would rar ubuntu?
[00:05] <saltedlight_> =))
[00:05] <individual_elev> i have downloaded it as a torrent?
[00:05] <saltedlight_> this is a hard one =))
[00:05] <zcat[1]> I'd probably care more if I saw setting up blades at google or somewhere..
[00:05] <Zoem> who would rar an iso?
[00:05] <saltedlight_> is not .rar
[00:05] <zcat[1]> *was
[00:05] <saltedlight_> is .iso
[00:06] <saltedlight_> you have winrar instaled?
[00:06] <individual_elev> yep
[00:06] <eduardo> jimiridge
[00:06] <RAOF> individual_elev: You just need to write that iso to a CD.  It's been too long since I used windows for me to help you there :)
[00:06] <zcat[1]> rawr
[00:06] <jimiridge> hey
[00:06] <eduardo> man
[00:06] <SpartanII117> win rart tries to own iso's , just tell it to opwn with your favorite burner s.w
[00:06] <zcat[1]> !iso
[00:06] <jimiridge> hows your machine holding up
[00:06] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[00:06] <eduardo> ive been looking you for ages
[00:06] <zcat[1]> !burning
[00:06] <ubotu> CD/DVD Burning software: K3b (KDE), gnomebaker, serpentine, graveman, Nautilus-CD-Burner, GToaster, xcdroast (GNOME), wodim (terminal-based). Burning .iso files: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[00:06] <eduardo> still not working
[00:06] <individual_elev> ok..so ill just burn the file to a cd?
[00:06] <eduardo> join nixtutor
[00:06] <jimiridge> i've been hiding out in here
[00:06] <Viperfang> Just reformatted, Still get the same error as before : Method "CreateBluetoothSession" with signature "ssb" on interface "org.openobex.Manager" doesn't exist
[00:06] <saltedlight_> individual_elev, wait a moment, i'l help ya
[00:06] <kernco> I'm trying to get DVD playback to work in Kubuntu Hardy, but none of the methods I've used for previous versions seem to work
[00:07] <zcat[1]> yes, burn the iso directly as an ISO, not by putting the ISO file onto a data cd..
[00:07] <saltedlight_> got any cd burning software? i recomand infrarecorder
[00:07] <individual_elev> im using windows right now..i know how to create an iso..
[00:07] <saltedlight_> ok than
[00:08] <individual_elev> so ill just burn it?
[00:08] <saltedlight_> yes
[00:08] <individual_elev> ok..thanks...
[00:08] <saltedlight_> ya should have a "burn cd from image" option or something like
[00:08] <individual_elev> ah ok..ill just look into it..
[00:09] <individual_elev> thanks..
[00:09] <kernco> Is the kubuntu-restricted-extras package not sufficient anymore to get DVD playback to work?
[00:09] <zcat[1]> !medibuntu | kernco You need dvdcss2 probably
[00:09] <ubotu> kernco You need dvdcss2 probably: medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[00:09] <Black_Magic> Can someone help em?
[00:09] <Black_Magic> *me
[00:09] <Black_Magic> I cant get this java applet to work it just keeps asking me to install plugin or something
[00:10] <Black_Magic> but if i choose any besides the iced tea one
[00:10] <Black_Magic> it says already installed
[00:10] <Black_Magic>  i already have Java installed.
[00:11] <saltedlight_> i've got similar problem with flash... maybe the plugin is "broken"...
[00:11] <Black_Magic> it used to work before upgrade
[00:12] <Black_Magic> saltedlight_: did you get it from the adobe flash website?
[00:12] <Black_Magic> download that package
[00:12] <saltedlight_> ya.. before find gnash :))
[00:12] <kernco> Thanks, it looks like getting dvdcss2 from medibuntu is going to work.  Didn't dvdcss2 used to be in the normal repositories?
[00:12] <Black_Magic> i need to remove gnash
[00:12] <Black_Magic> its not a real GUI lol
[00:13] <saltedlight_> not need the flash ting all the time.. just on some sites...
[00:13] <mc-george> guys, will the final release of heron come with firefox 3 beta 5 at least?
[00:14] <saltedlight_> i did try fedora 2 days ago... not so diferent 3.5 than 3.4
[00:14] <saltedlight_> maybe something internal only
[00:16] <saltedlight_> tryed fedora 9, wich realy is 8.92 and fas firefox 3.5... got stoked by too many things, and decided to give ubuntu a chance... and i'm not disapointed at all :))
[00:16] <saltedlight_> *fas=has
[00:16] <SilverDawn> I just want my sound to come out right
[00:16] <SilverDawn> =\
[00:18] <teamcobra> augh, I had my kepmap fixed, and it is b0rked again
[00:18] <saltedlight_> did you got sounds before?
[00:18] <teamcobra> ś is not in the usintl keymap ;p
[00:18] <saltedlight_> :))
[00:18] <teamcobra> and scim is disabled.... all ´s are messed up
[00:19] <CarlFK> the alt installer seems to be hung - status screen is just blue, alt2,3,4 are black, with the cursor blinking where is should be, but no text is drawn on the screen
[00:19] <saltedlight_> open a new text document and create a "map" of your keyboard
[00:20] <CarlFK> I did hook up 3T of disk, guessing that has something to do with it
[00:20] <CarlFK> theree is no top command - is there some way to get ps to show what the cpu is doing?
[00:21] <teamcobra> salted: any info on this floating around? (looking myself too)
[00:21] <mc-george> Does anyone know if at least beta 5 of firefox will be shipped with final?
[00:22] <Agrajag-> g'day, after doing a dist-upgrade, gnome doesn't seem to set my keyboard repeat delay setting when i login. i've set it quite short, and when i open keyboard preferences, the setting is still the same, but it doesn't actually change unless i move the slider slightly
[00:22] <ere4si> CarlFK: ps -aux
[00:22] <JohnPhys> Along with mc-george's question, what are the plans for firefox 3 during hardy's lifecycle?  Will we see updates from the beta's to the rc and then teh final release?  Or will the "version" be frozen at what is in the repositories at launch?
[00:23] <saltedlight_> teamcobra, i've lost you... sorry...
[00:23] <teamcobra> itś ok, brb ;p
[00:24] <CarlFK> ere4si: http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/temp/Mar30/c/dhcp120/ps.txt  no change in about 50 min
[00:25] <saltedlight_> i think depends by the mozilla team first... but i also think that we will have updates too not just other distros...
[00:25] <CarlFK> guessing jfsCommit jfsSync ... pdflush on 3T may be the culprit
[00:26] <ere4si> CarlFK: have you been booted into a busybox prompt?
[00:26] <mc-george> do you guys recommend updating to beta?
[00:26] <CarlFK> ere4si: yes
[00:28] <mc-george> Is updating to the beta recommended?
[00:28] <Zoem> hmmm... anyone have suggestions on how to fix sound?
[00:28] <CarlFK> mc-george: not recommended for people who can't read :)
[00:29] <RAOF> mc-george: If you want to help test, yes.  If you want a stable system that you can be nearly guaranteed will work today the same as yesterday, no.
[00:29] <mc-george> what?
[00:29] <JohnPhys> mc-george: I've encountered a few bugs that prevent me from updating to hardy on my main work machines, so it depends on what you do.
[00:29] <mc-george> I just browse the web, download torrents, do word processing
[00:29] <CarlFK> mc-george: then no.
[00:29] <mc-george> ok
[00:30] <teamcobra> hmm, I guess console-data wasn't installed on my system
[00:30] <teamcobra> works fine now ;p
[00:30] <volkodav> црфе игпы цуку ерун?
[00:30] <volkodav> what bugs were they?
[00:30] <mc-george> carlfk: are there major problems I would encounter?
[00:30] <teamcobra> the apostrophe in the us-intl keymap was messed up, and it was putting accents over letters instead of apostrophes
[00:31] <Zoem> mc-george, so far I have had a bad kernel install, lost video drivers, lost sound (still not back)
[00:31] <mc-george> oh, thats not good
[00:31] <mc-george> even on beta?
[00:31] <Zoem> yep
[00:32] <Zoem> upgraded from 7.10 about 2 hours ago
[00:32] <CarlFK> mc-george: "report bugs" was not on your list of things you do, so you should not touch it
[00:32] <mc-george> ok
[00:32] <Zoem> also, I didn't see "build from source" there either ;)
[00:32] <mc-george> hehe
[00:32] <ere4si> CarlFK: if you are booting into the 386 kernel you have the same prob I had - use the generic kernel
[00:33] <thebishop> hello
[00:33] <thebishop> the hardy beta is very sluggish for me.  MP3s don't even play smoothly
[00:33] <CarlFK> ere4si: the alt installer has kernel choices?
[00:34] <Zoem> so, concerning bugs...  that no sound thing... lspci reports I have nvidia MP55 hi def audio device, I am running 24-12-generic with initramfs properly configured
[00:34] <ere4si> CarlFK: I mean at the grub prompt
[00:34] <Zoem> now the google-sphere isn't giving anymore suggestions... anyone else have ideas how to get sound up?
[00:34] <ere4si> CarlFK: after install
[00:34] <CarlFK> ere4si: I am still in the installer.
[00:35] <ere4si> CarlFK: not installed then?
[00:36] <CarlFK> ere4si: i setup the partitions, mount points... hit "OK" and it did the "formating ext3..." that screen went away, and (I wasn't watching) i get the feeling it hasn't moved onto the next step (installing base system)
[00:37] <ere4si> CarlFK: it seems that way but wait a bit - how good is the sys?
[00:37] <CarlFK> ere4si: good?  sys?
[00:37] <ere4si> CarlFK: I walked away for an hour or so :) - cpu  + mem...
[00:38] <filosofixit> I am trying to get my webcam to work. Both ov51x_jpeg and videodev modules are loading just fine, but the /dev/video(x) entrys seems to be missing. Anybody who got a clue what is wrong?
[00:38] <CarlFK> ere4si: I took a shower :).  p3-700, 256*3 ram
[00:39] <CarlFK> 256*3=7something...
[00:39] <ere4si> CarlFK: how long has it been doing nothing?
[00:40] <ere4si> 50 + min ...
[00:40] <CarlFK> just over an hour
[00:40] <stefg> !webcam | filosofixit
[00:40] <ubotu> filosofixit: Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[00:40] <CarlFK> this 'hangs':  ls /target/
[00:40] <ere4si> CarlFK: did md5 the disk?
[00:41] <ere4si> *you
[00:41] <filosofixit> stefg : no clues there I'm afraid... worked like a charm in gutsy..
[00:42] <CarlFK> ere4si: im pulling the files over the net, which I think has error detection built in
[00:42] <saltedlight_> CarlFK, or at least did a media check? since you allready started...
[00:42] <saltedlight_> oh...
[00:43] <ere4si> CarlFK: using the minimal cd ? - that can hang for ages - wait a good while longer :)
[00:44] <CarlFK> ere4si: there is no CD - pxe boot the installer kernel, preseed file hits a local mirror.  haven't had to touch install media in years :)
[00:44] <stefg> filosofixit: any hints in dmesg ?
[00:44] <ere4si> k
[00:45] <CarlFK> ere4si: I wrote this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LocalNet#head-52c4d21520b498e09fe97a2eed47bd4942c35295
[00:46] <CarlFK> which is pretty crappy as far as writing goes, but I'v been doing this for about 2 years, and generally can tell when I have screwed myself :)
[00:46] <Zoem> question: what does "[  217.868457] gnome-alsamixer[7249]: segfault at 00000000 eip 0804db54 esp bfe83e00 error 4" in dmesg mean?
[00:47] <filosofixit> stefg : of course it does... sorry to bother you guys.
[00:47] <CarlFK> I am guessing I have to restart and not touch the 3t raid I setup, make sure that flys, then try again with it
[00:48] <filosofixit> stefg :  it does not detect the sensor slave ID...
[00:49] <filosofixit> ov51x: probe of 1-7.1:1.0 failed with error -5
[00:50]  * saltedlight_ bye. thanks. etc. have fun. :)
[00:51] <bluefoxx> back from the flea market, now back to my issue. it appears sudo is broken on my system, any help?
[00:52] <CarlFK> bluefoxx: any idea how it broke?
[00:52] <bluefoxx> kuil: BTW, indeed i do use compiz
[00:52] <bluefoxx> CarlFK: nope.\
[00:52] <bluefoxx> i just get "su: could not resolve host azUre-prIDE"
[00:53] <stefg> filosofixit: regression reporting time on launchpad, i'd guess
[00:53] <bluefoxx> i can get gksu to work sometimes, but no sudo or su. i can't even set a root password
[00:53] <stefg> !bug | filosofixit
[00:53] <ubotu> filosofixit: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[00:54] <bluefoxx> bluefoxx@azUre-prIDE:~$ sudo pwd root
[00:54] <bluefoxx> sudo: unable to resolve host azUre-prIDE
[00:54] <bluefoxx> bluefoxx@azUre-prIDE:~$
[00:54] <kgoetz> you broke your hostname :)
[00:54] <bluefoxx> kgoetz: how do i fix that?
[00:55] <bluefoxx> kgoetz: and is taht a hard thing to do?
[00:55] <filosofixit> stefg : will do so now.... thx for the help...
[00:55] <kgoetz> bluefoxx: try rebooting in resue/single user mode and making sure your /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname file match up
[00:55] <kgoetz> bluefoxx: its not overly hard if your familar with a console.
[00:55] <stefg> man hostname
[00:56] <bluefoxx> kgoetz: kk, give me a few minutes to download and instal irssi then i shall bot into recovery mode :)
[00:57] <kgoetz> bluefoxx: np. before you do, could you pastebin those two files?
[00:57] <bluefoxx> kgoetz: ok, one sec
[00:58] <alex-weej_> is flash audio broken for anyone else?
[00:58] <alex-weej_> with pulseaudio?
[00:58] <alex-weej_> it was working fine
[00:58] <Wisteso> do you have two sound cards?
[00:58] <alex-weej_> Wisteso: yes
[00:58] <Rohaq> hey, are there any known network issues? I'm using xubuntu, and I can't get anything over 20KB/s, either wireless or wired
[00:58] <Wisteso> k, I don't know *why* but I had some problems with any architecture when I had two cards
[00:58] <Rohaq> and my wireless signal keeps fluctuating
[00:58] <alex-weej_> it just slows my browser a lot and i can see its client coming and going sporadically in the PAmanager
[00:59] <Wisteso> with flash audio
[00:59] <alex-weej_> Wisteso: no it's fine with just ALSA normally
[00:59] <alex-weej_> i just have to set the default card
[00:59] <alex-weej_> but now, it won't connect to pulse properly
[00:59] <Wisteso> ah..  hm different problem then
[01:00] <bluefoxx> kgoetz: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61691/
[01:01] <RolandoVII> howdy, does anyone here use miro?
[01:01] <kgoetz> bluefoxx: loading :)
[01:01] <bluefoxx> kgoetz: dialup or dialup-esk connection? >D
[01:01] <kgoetz> bluefoxx: so your network name and hostname are the same?
[01:02] <kgoetz> bluefoxx: multiple people using hte link :) (so pro bably dial up speed each
[01:03] <bluefoxx> idk, im still teaching myself about networking. i  use bluefoxx as my general screenname and some variation of azure-pride for computer names[kubuntu comp wil be kazUre-prIDE, so forth]
[01:04] <kgoetz> bluefoxx: so you dont havce a domain setup at home?
[01:05] <kgoetz> see in /etc/hosts on hte <IP_ADDRESS> line theres name.name? remove the .name and hopfully you'll be able to break your network again later :)
[01:05] <bluefoxx> kgoetz: err, no. i ditched the router cause it kept reseting the connection during downloads
[01:05] <Rohaq> take it that means that no-one knows of any issues that might be limiting my network speed?
[01:06] <kgoetz> Rohaq: if both are slow tis probably upstr4eam problem
[01:06] <ere4si> Rohaq: is it a torrent?
[01:06] <Rohaq> nope
[01:06] <ere4si> k
[01:06] <Rohaq> just general network speeds
[01:06] <bluefoxx> kgoetz: kk, gonna retry su pwd root
[01:07] <Rohaq> wireless and wired
[01:07] <Rohaq> and wireless signal is fluctuating
[01:07] <bluefoxx> bluefoxx@azUre-prIDE:~$ sudo pwd root
[01:07] <bluefoxx> pwd: ignoring non-option arguments
[01:07] <bluefoxx> /home/bluefoxx
[01:07] <bluefoxx> bluefoxx@azUre-prIDE:~$
[01:07] <bthankins> rohaq, do you get 20k going from computer to computer?
[01:07] <macsim> hi, anybody has install hardy heron with all the FS in reiserfs ?
[01:07] <Rohaq> can't test that, sadly
[01:07] <bthankins> Or to the internet.
[01:07] <kgoetz> bluefoxx: you want to set roots password? try 'sudo passwd root'
[01:08] <bthankins> ah
[01:08] <Rohaq> but no other machines are having the same problem
[01:08] <bluefoxx> kgoetz: kk, tyvm ^
[01:08] <Rohaq> and it's only been since my upgrade to hardy
[01:08] <bluefoxx> sudo: paswd: command not found
[01:08] <bluefoxx> >
[01:08] <bluefoxx> ><*
[01:09] <bluefoxx> eh well, sudo works again. thanks kgoetz!^^
[01:10] <kgoetz> bluefoxx: passwd (2 s's)
[01:10] <kgoetz> bluefoxx: cool :D
[01:11] <Luckrider> hey, how do I set up Ubuntu to automaticly run commands upon startup?
[01:11] <Luckrider> in prefered applications, I can only use 2 custom commands
[01:11] <robinson> running kubuntu hardy beta. Knetworkmanager is not starting at startup, although it is checked in the sttings to startup automatically. What have i done wrong here?
[01:11] <kgoetz> what stagfe of start up?
[01:11] <bluefoxx> kgoetz: XD, my bad. i have bounce keys on cause when i was playing games in wine they were locking up
[01:12] <kgoetz> bluefoxx: hehehe.
[01:14] <bluefoxx> half life has me paranoid now << i check abouve every doorway for barnicals and avoid dirt cause of headcrabs now XD. speaking of which, i think i will go play that now lol
[01:14] <Jordan_U> Is it possible to calibrate the SMS in my laptop? I am trying to play neverball but it just keeps going backwards :)
[01:18] <Luckrider> does anyone know how to set up Ubuntu to run apps automatically upon login?
[01:18] <Luckrider> help is appreciated
[01:18] <Luckrider> does anyone know how to set up Ubuntu to run apps automatically upon login?
[01:18] <tgm4883_laptop> Luckrider, you can add it in sessions
[01:19] <Luckrider> thanks
[01:19] <tgm4883_laptop> System > Preferences > Sessions
[01:19] <Luckrider> didn't even think to check there
[01:19] <Luckrider> yeah
[01:19] <Luckrider> oh, duh
[01:19] <Luckrider> I never thought that that was what it is
[01:20] <Zoem> >bthankins< You have been banned
[01:20] <Zoem>    from #ubuntu+1 for multiple parts. This will expire
[01:20] <Zoem>    in 5 minutes <--- ????
[01:20] <LjL> Zoem: uh?
[01:20] <Zoem> I just got that message
[01:21] <Zoem> no +b on me, last part I did was 25 minutes before rejoining...
[01:21] <LjL> that's a new one
[01:21] <Zoem> oh shoot
[01:21] <LjL> Zoem, please just ignore it, i'll ask the fellow next time they're online
[01:21] <Zoem> call me an idiot
[01:21] <LjL> why would i
[01:21] <Zoem> I just realized... that was my script
[01:22] <LjL> ah.
[01:22] <LjL> Zoem: so does that mean *you* have sent that message to bthankins?
[01:22] <Luckrider> tgm4883_laptop
[01:22] <Luckrider> do
[01:22] <Zoem> yes, yes it does D:
[01:22] <Luckrider> you knpow how to run commands
[01:22] <LjL> Zoem: please disable that then
[01:22] <Zoem> I shall
[01:22] <tgm4883_laptop> Luckrider, what do you want to run?
[01:22] <Luckrider> um
[01:22] <Luckrider> like
[01:22] <kindofabuzz> if i upgrade to hardy from gutsy will it updates still work when next beta comes out and final?  or will i hvae to reinstall?
[01:22] <tgm4883_laptop> you could stick it in a bash script
[01:23] <Luckrider> emerald --replace
[01:23] <Luckrider> stuff like that
[01:23] <Luckrider> they are not actually app
[01:23] <Luckrider> *applications
[01:23] <tgm4883_laptop> oh i've added stuff like that before to sessions.  I think anyway
[01:23] <Luckrider> oh
[01:23] <tgm4883_laptop> otherwise, make a bash script
[01:24] <Luckrider> in prefered applications you can add two custom commands
[01:24] <Luckrider> I was wondering if there was a way to make more
[01:24] <tgm4883_laptop> Luckrider, do you know how to make a bash script?
[01:24] <Luckrider> besides bash script (I am a total noob at that)
[01:24] <jimiridge> dangit audacity is being evil
[01:24] <tgm4883_laptop> Luckrider, it's pretty easy
[01:24] <Luckrider> is it
[01:25] <tgm4883_laptop> yea
[01:25] <tgm4883_laptop> sec
[01:25] <Luckrider> i guess I need to look it up
[01:25] <tgm4883_laptop> make a new file
[01:25] <Luckrider> what kind?
[01:25] <Zoem> so... is this the right place to ask a pulse-audio question? I'm on hardy beta right now
[01:25] <kindofabuzz> if i upgrade to hardy from gutsy will updates still work when next beta comes out and when final comes out??  or will i hvae to reinstall?
[01:25] <Luckrider> (like I said total noob) tgm4883_laptop
[01:25] <tgm4883_laptop> Luckrider, sec
[01:25] <Luckrider> ok
[01:26] <tgm4883_laptop> Luckrider, http://floppix.ccai.com/scripts1.html
[01:26] <Luckrider> ok
[01:26] <tgm4883_laptop> those are some pretty simple examples
[01:26] <Luckrider> thanks
[01:26] <kindofabuzz> soo no one knows?
[01:26] <tgm4883_laptop> just open up gedit and do it
[01:26] <Luckrider> ok
[01:26] <Luckrider> thanks very much
[01:26] <Luckrider> I like to learn new things
[01:26] <tgm4883_laptop> kindofabuzz, if you keep updating you will have the new versions of things
[01:27] <kindofabuzz> tgm4883_laptop: so it will still let me know,say, when final comes out and upgrade to final?
[01:28] <tgm4883_laptop> kindofabuzz, it will tell you new packages are available, and you can update them
[01:28] <kindofabuzz> i get that, but will that work when it's final? sorry, just wanna be sure
[01:29] <tgm4883_laptop> you should be able to update to final no problem
[01:31] <kindofabuzz> right on, thanks buddie
[01:33] <Zoem> how do I add sinks to pulse audio?
[01:33] <owen1> how to add a partition during the installation (side by side with windows, so i choose manual)?
[01:34] <Zoem> you have windows installed already?
[01:34] <owen1> Zoem: yes, vista
[01:35] <Zoem> you have a partition for the linux already, or were you planning on resizing an already existing one?
[01:35] <owen1> i want to resize existing one.
[01:35] <Zoem> oh
[01:35] <Zoem> hmmm
[01:35] <owen1> Zoem: can i do it during the installation?
[01:36] <owen1> Zoem: if not, guide me for duing it before.
[01:36] <Zoem> I believe you can...? but I haven't actually installed ubuntu in a very long time, so I don't remember
[01:36] <Zoem> and I'm not really familiar with the process. sorry :/
[01:37] <owen1> Zoem: i don't see 'add partition' in the installation process.
[01:37] <Zoem> hmmm
[01:37] <Zoem> are you installing from a live-cd?
[01:38] <owen1> Zoem: i only have edit partition. which will remove the current one...
[01:38] <owen1> Zoem: yes
[01:39] <Zoem> which version are you installing?
[01:40] <owen1> Zoem: 8.04 beta
[01:40] <Zoem> oh
[01:40] <Zoem> have you installed ubuntu before?
[01:41] <owen1> yes. but not this machine and not beta.
[01:41] <Zoem> ok... I'm trying to see if 8.04 has the partition manager on the live cd
[01:42] <Zoem> which is difficult since I don't have one
[01:42] <Zoem> if it is, you can use that... otherwise you will need to do it through windows
[01:42] <Luckrider> owenl if you want to install with a partition, you will have to delete Vista
[01:42] <Luckrider> then you can reinstall it
[01:43] <owen1> Luckrider: ??? really?
[01:43] <Luckrider> yeah
[01:43] <owen1> Luckrider: why?
[01:43] <Luckrider> you can't re-size partitions
[01:43] <Luckrider> it has to erase the artition to creat a new
[01:43] <Zoem> well.. you can... but it runs a pretty good chance of destroying data
[01:43] <Luckrider> one
[01:43] <Luckrider> yeah
[01:43] <owen1> Luckrider: is it 8.04 issue?
[01:43] <Luckrider> it isn't worth the risk
[01:43] <Luckrider> no
[01:43] <Zoem> this is a hard drive ToC issue
[01:44] <Luckrider> it is just a faact of partitions
[01:44] <Luckrider> if you can
[01:44] <Luckrider> back up the vista partition
[01:44] <Luckrider> then split the hdd
[01:44] <owen1> Luckrider: but i did it for my old win machine in the past.
[01:44] <Luckrider> it is possible like zoem said
[01:44] <Luckrider> but
[01:44] <Luckrider> it risks damage to data
[01:45] <Luckrider> I wouldn't recomend it
[01:45] <Consty> I'm having a weird problem with sun-java-6. When I attempt to load web start files in a browser or stand-alone, all Java does is open the cache viewer
[01:45] <Luckrider> plus I have never done it before so you would want to ask someone who has
[01:46] <owen1> Luckrider: let me understand the steps you recommend: 1.delete vista
[01:46] <Zoem> I did it through xp... and bricked a drive
[01:46] <Luckrider> no
[01:46] <Luckrider> 1. back up vista
[01:46] <owen1> Luckrider: ok
[01:46] <Luckrider> 2. partiton hdd (this will delete it)
[01:47] <Luckrider> 3. Install one of the operating systems with a bootloader so you can switch between partitions
[01:47] <Luckrider> 4. install second os
[01:47] <Luckrider> 5. enjoy
[01:47] <Opu1> "brick" usually means unusable afterward. If you can reinstall, it's not a brick.
[01:47] <Zoem> yes, it was unusable afterwards
[01:48] <Luckrider> that sucks
[01:48] <owen1> Luckrider: so step 3 can be ubuntu and 4 can be the vista?
[01:48] <Luckrider> I am pretty sure
[01:48] <Zoem> owen1, just to make it easy, it is recommended you install the windows first
[01:48] <Luckrider> hol on let me do some investigatng
[01:48] <owen1> Zoem: ok
[01:48] <Luckrider> that is probly best
[01:49] <Zoem> the windows bootloader hates sharing... so you install linux second, and the linux bootloader over-writes the windows one
[01:49] <owen1> Luckrider: Zoem : how many partitions do i need in step 2? 1 for win and 3 for ubuntu?
[01:50] <Zoem> 1 for windows, 2 for ubuntu
[01:50] <Luckrider> yeah
[01:50] <owen1> Zoem: swap and ext3?
[01:50] <Zoem> yes
[01:50] <owen1> Zoem: swap
[01:50] <Zoem> ?
[01:51] <owen1> Zoem: swap around 1 g and ext3 is whatever?
[01:51] <owen1> Zoem: 1 gb
[01:51] <Zoem> pretty much. I think my swap is a bit bigger
[01:51] <SilverDawn> Anyone know of the fix for firefox freezing with flash? i found it a while back but now i cant, it was some export line to add to the firefox start script...
[01:51] <Zoem> SilverDawn, switch to opera :P
[01:52] <Zoem> SilverDawn, sorry... I've had the same problem since 6.10
[01:52] <owen1> Luckrider: Zoem : so all the guides about dual-boot are risky? that's crazy...
[01:52] <SilverDawn> I found a fix for it though....
[01:52] <Armagguedes> hello
[01:52] <SilverDawn> Its some export command
[01:52] <Armagguedes> my firefox3b4 is quite slow
[01:52] <Zoem> owen1, resizing a partition is a risk, period
[01:52] <Armagguedes> any ideas why?
[01:52] <kgoetz> Zoem: no, grub does not overwrite hte MS bootloader
[01:52] <Armagguedes> i'm not talking about connection issues here, mind u
[01:52] <Luckrider> yeah, it is the re-size
[01:52] <kgoetz> it overwrites teh boot sector
[01:53] <Luckrider> not dual boot
[01:53] <Armagguedes> the whole thing is half-unresponsive
[01:53] <Zoem> kgoetz, is that a change? last time I installed from disk was 7.04, and it certainly did then
[01:53] <Zoem> oh, point made
[01:54] <Zoem> it does overwrite the boot sector, pointing to the new, smarter boot loader
[01:54] <owen1> Luckrider: i mean installing ubuntu on existing windows without repartition from scratch.
[01:54] <Zoem> my bad for being conceptually lazy
[01:54] <Luckrider> oh, yeah
[01:54] <owen1> Luckrider: thanks for the great insight..
[01:54] <Luckrider> np
[01:54] <Zoem> hmmm
[01:55] <Luckrider> see, I get help from here, so I like to give back
[01:55] <owen1> Luckrider: are u part of canonical?
[01:55] <Luckrider> btw, I think gag might be a good bootloader for you
[01:55] <Zoem> question: would it be more effective for me to just reinstall 8.04 beta from disk than to try to fix sound as it is?
[01:55] <Luckrider> no
[01:56] <Luckrider> owenl gag goes right on a partiton, and it is graphical
[01:56] <Jordan_U> Zoem, What is wrong with your sound?
[01:56] <Luckrider> Zoem, have you tried checking the drivers
[01:56] <Luckrider> when i first installed it was a restricted driver for me
[01:56] <Luckrider> so
[01:56] <Zoem> Jordan_U, pulse audio doesn't include my hardware
[01:56] <Luckrider> I fixed it in like two seconds
[01:56] <owen1> Luckrider: gag is an app for partitioning my hd?
[01:56] <SilverDawn> Zoem, i would use opera if i could
[01:56] <Luckrider> no
[01:56] <SilverDawn> =\
[01:57] <Luckrider> Gag is a graphical bootloader owenl
[01:57] <Zoem> Luckrider, Nforce MP55 shows up in lspci, I thought that meant drivers were good
[01:57] <SilverDawn> But its not in the mirrors and im not a fan of leaving untracked packages on my system
[01:57] <Luckrider> oh
[01:57] <Luckrider> I don't know
[01:57] <Jordan_U> Zoem, What do you mean by "Doesn't include"? Are you sure Pulseaudio is the problem and it's not that ALSA is not seeing your hardware?
[01:57] <Zoem> Jordan_U, this is highly possible
[01:57] <Random> Zoem: just because it shows up in lspci, doesn't mean that a driver it loaded
[01:57] <SilverDawn> check alsamixer
[01:58] <owen1> Luckrider: i should install it BEFORE the ubuntu installation?
[01:58] <Luckrider> I am not sure, I think it goes with the first installation owenl
[01:58] <Luckrider> let me see
[01:58] <len> I did a clean install of Kubuntu 8.04 after an attempted upgrade from 7.10 didn't go so well.  I just went to set up my HP Photosmart C5180 printer, only to discover that it is no longer in the printer list.  I had no problem installing in 7.10 without having to add any extra packages.  The HP printers list seems to be only about half as long as it is in 7.10.  What's going on?
[01:58] <SpudDogg> Does anyone know of a fix for hardy and wpa with an ipw3945?
[01:58] <Jordan_U> Zoem, Like SilverDawn said check 'alsamixer' ( it's a terminal based hardware mixer ) and also 'asoundconf list'
[01:58] <Luckrider> owenl
[01:58] <owen1> Luckrider: isn't it the same as grub?
[01:59] <Luckrider> looke here
[01:59] <Zoem> Random, how do I check for installed driver?
[01:59] <Luckrider> http://gag.sourceforge.net/
[01:59] <Luckrider> check that owenl
[01:59] <Jordan_U> len, What happens when you plug the printer in?
[01:59] <Luckrider> that might help a little
[01:59] <SilverDawn> God i wish i could get flash working right
[01:59] <Zoem> alsamixer: Card: PulseAudio Chip: PulseAudio
[01:59] <SilverDawn> Then its not detected
[01:59] <len> I'm connecting via the network, not using usb.
[02:00] <SilverDawn> Zoem, say... if you had a cmedia card it would look like so:
[02:00] <SilverDawn> │ Card: C-Media CMI8738                                                        │
[02:00] <SilverDawn> │ Chip: CMedia PCI
[02:00] <SilverDawn> Not just say pulse audio
[02:00] <larson9999> i switched to arch a while back because i couldn't keep gutsy from locking up on me(at least once a day).  but i couldn't resist trying hardy.  so i put it on one of my main laptop.  i've had it running about a week now and it's only locked up twice.  i'm hoping that's due to it being beta and not that whatever wasn't agreeing with it and gutsy is still around.
[02:00] <Zoem> which is funny... since on windows I do have that card :)
[02:00] <SilverDawn> Pulse is a service. not a peice of hardware that ubuntu puts into your system ;)
[02:00] <Zoem> SilverDawn, how do I get the driver loaded then?
[02:00] <len> I choose scan, and it finds the printer just find, but when I'm asked to choose the printer model, it is no longer in the list like it is in 7.10
[02:01] <SilverDawn> Zoem, what card
[02:01] <Zoem> SilverDawn, c-media onboard... fairly certain it's the CMI8738
[02:02] <larson9999> SilverDawn, flash seems reasonably stable here.
[02:02] <SilverDawn> Are there any others in the box?
[02:02] <SilverDawn> larson9999, are you using the opensource one or adobes
[02:02] <owen1> Luckrider: thanks. so i can install it after i install windows but before ubuntu?
[02:02] <Zoem> SilverDawn, no, just the onboard
[02:02] <SilverDawn> Hmmmmm k
[02:02] <Luckrider> I think so
[02:02] <SilverDawn> go to.......
[02:02] <Luckrider> brb
[02:02] <larson9999> SilverDawn, to me flash means adobe.
[02:03] <Luckrider> got to go feed the dog
[02:03] <SilverDawn> System > prefs > sound
[02:03] <SilverDawn> And tell me what you have set as your default mixer device
[02:03] <SilverDawn> (bottom option)
[02:03] <larson9999> SilverDawn, apparently some say gnash is working better now.  but i gave it ago and that doesn't seem to be the case here.
[02:04] <Zoem> Playback: RTP Multicast Sink (PulseAudio Mixer)
[02:04] <SilverDawn> wtf
[02:04] <SilverDawn> Your not looking where i asked cuz theres nothing that says 'playback' where i told you to look
[02:04] <Zoem> that is in the default mixer tracks device section
[02:04] <SilverDawn> wow
[02:05] <SilverDawn> What the hell
[02:05] <Zoem> yeah
[02:06] <Jordan_U> Zoem, SilverDawn This is the way that Fedora set up things with Pulseaudio, I was surprised that Ubuntu hadn't ( on my machine ) but possibly they have and my machine is the result of a bug
[02:06] <Luckrider> ok
[02:06] <Zoem> Jordan_U, so... what do I do to make it work?
[02:06] <Luckrider> back
[02:06] <Jordan_U> Zoem, SilverDawn It's part of making all applications ( including ones that try to use ALSA directly ) go  through pulseaudio
[02:06] <hansin> Does anyone know how I can force Xorg to use the 'intel' driver vs. the 'i810' driver?  It auto-configures to the 'i810' driver, but I hear 'intel' is better.  I added "Driver   'intel'" to my xorg.conf.  Thanks.
[02:07] <larson9999> hansin, i'd assuming black listing the one you don't want to load would do it.
[02:08] <Jordan_U> Zoem, That's the problem, it confused the hell out of my on Fedora and does here too :) You could try ( as a hack, I am sure there is an official way ) removing pulseaudio, getting your sound working without it then re-installing pulseaudio
[02:08] <Zoem> hmmm
[02:08] <hansin> larson9999: Good idea.  Thanks.
[02:08] <SpudDogg> Does anyone know of a fix for hardy and wpa with an ipw3945?
[02:10]  * Zoem is seriously considering a fresh install now
[02:13] <Zoem> oh, nvm
[02:13] <Zoem> they don't have alternate install dvds anyore
[02:13] <Dabiged> Hey Y'all, Was wondering I could get some help setting up a WG311v3 wireless card on Hardy
[02:15] <Jordan_U> Dabiged, Have you tried System -> Administration -> Hardware Drivers?
[02:19] <Zoem> wheee
[02:19] <Zoem> still broken
[02:20] <len> Is anyone using a HP photosmart printer with Kubuntu 8.10?  Most of the models are missing from the PPD list in 8.10.
[02:21] <Jordan_U> len, What happens when you plug the printer in?
[02:21] <len> Nothing, because it is not connected via USB.  I connect via the network.
[02:22] <len> And it has no problem locating it on the network either.
[02:22] <Jordan_U> ahh
[02:22] <len> It's just that my model is no longer listed in the list of printers presented when you're asked to choose your printer.
[02:22] <romulo> hi, what is the version of kde4 in hardy?
[02:23] <len> most of the photosmart printers are missing now, except for a handful of really old ones.  They were all there in  7.10.
[02:23] <len> 3.5.9
[02:24] <romulo> len, thats for kde?
[02:25] <Zoem> ok, now I have uninstalled pulse audio, and no longer have any sound devices, apperently
[02:25] <len> I checked, and foomatic-db-hpijs is installed.  hpjis (non-foomatic) wasn't though, so I installed that, but it didn't add any more definitions to the list.
[02:25] <len> Yes, KDE3.5.9
[02:25] <techqbert> what ff will ship with 8.04 when it goes stable?  3.0b4?
[02:25] <Jordan_U> Zoem, What is the output of "asoundconf list" ?
[02:26] <Zoem> no output
[02:26] <Jordan_U> :(
[02:26] <Zoem> yeah :(
[02:26] <thepyronaut> Is there a problem with Hardy slowing down over time? Its happening to me and its driving me nuts
[02:27] <len> Where can I get the proper ppd file to install via "other" since it's missing from the list in Hardy now?
[02:27] <Dr_willis> len,  try cups.org ?
[02:27] <Dr_willis> len,  i recallon some printers there was some extra printer driver files not installed by default also.
[02:28] <Jordan_U> len, Do you know the name of the ppd file?
[02:28] <Jordan_U> len, If so you can try apt-file search
[02:28] <romulo> thepyronaut, try to check if its acpi, it hapenned to me
[02:28] <thepyronaut> How do I do that?
[02:29] <len> No, but the printer is an HP Photosmart C5180, and it uses the jpijs driver, so it would be a definition file for that.
[02:30] <Jordan_U> len, Possibly  hpijs-ppds
[02:30] <Jordan_U> len, ( the package )
[02:31] <Dr_willis> waswent there a hpijs or hpoj service /package that was needed for some hp printers?
[02:31] <len> I already had the foomatic version of that installed, and I just added the non-foo hpijs-ppds package, but it didn't show up after installing that.
[02:32] <Jordan_U> len, If installing that package get's your printer to work you may want to file a bug to the effect that if certain PPDs aren't shipped by default for space ( or whatever reason ) the auto-detection should still suggest that they be installed
[02:33] <Zoem> so....
[02:33] <Zoem> how do I get stuff into my asoundconf list?
[02:35] <len> Well perhaps they were trying to be a bit too clever for there own good thinking that they'd only auto install ppd's for photosmart when the printers are auto-detected when plugged in via usb, forgetting that that's not the only way people access them.  Quite a few of the photosmarts are networkable and not necessesarily directly into the computer to be autodetected.
[02:35] <len> *their
[02:36] <Dr_willis> i recall some other linux disrtos actually having a 'set up printers' wizard during the install..
[02:37] <Dr_willis> I will admit that i plyg in my laserjet6l and it figures it out faster under ubuntu, then it does under windows. :)
[02:37] <Dr_willis> other ubuntu box's on the lan see and start using the printer also. with little tweaking by me
[02:37] <len> The KDE add printer wizard actually works quite well.  It's just that my printer is not in the list anymore.
[02:37] <len> ie. missing ppd files for most photosmart printers.
[02:38] <zcat[1]> Dr_willis: I wish that would work with my brother mfc3100c though
[02:39] <zcat[1]> Dr_willis: funny thing though, my Deskjet, set up on a completely different machine, started showing up here all by itself. I never installed anything. I blame avahi!
[02:39] <len> I remember that setting up kubuntu 7.10 to printer on the c5180 literally took less than 1 minute and was a pain in Windows.
[02:39] <len> That's why I'm so surprised now.
[02:40] <zcat[1]> len: Most printers that are well supported, you plug it in and ten or 15 seconds later a bubble pops up telling you it's ready to print with
[02:40] <zcat[1]> but if it's -not- supported (like my mfc) then you just can't get it to print at all.. :(
[02:41] <len> If you're connected via usb, but I'm connecting via network and it was almost as  easy with the kde wizard, and still would be in 8.04 if most of the ppds' for photosmart printers weren't missing from the list.
[02:41] <zcat[1]> I need one that can print on printable CD's though
[02:42] <zcat[1]> hmmm.. never tried a network printer.
[02:43] <zcat[1]> usb, parallell, and printers on networked machines are no problem at all, for sure
[02:44] <len> All I had to do was chose TCP printers, enter the net portion of the IP address, and it scanned and found the printer on the network.
[02:44] <zcat[1]> cool.
[02:45] <Milos_SD> Hi all, I need help
[02:45] <Milos_SD> after some update, I don't know what update, Lirc is stoped working ... It can't start daemon
[02:45] <Milos_SD> :(
[02:46] <protonchris> Milos_SD: what do the logs say?
[02:46] <len> After that it you are supposed to choose your printer model  so it knows what driver and ppd to use, but most photosmarts were left off the list in 8.04.  I'm going to go check a machine with 7.10 and see what ppd packages are installed.  I'm betting no more than on this 8.04 machine.
[02:46] <Armagguedes> my firefox3b4 is quite slow on kubuntu hardy, any ideas why? i'm not talking about connection issues here, mind u, the whole thing is half-unresponsive and its refreshing/rendering is disgusting (and slower than FF<IP_ADDRESS>)..
[02:46] <Milos_SD> what logs?
[02:47] <len> Maybe imature xorg 7.3 drivers for your video card?
[02:47] <Milos_SD> I get this in terminal when sudo /etc/init.d/lirc restart:
[02:47] <Milos_SD> * Stopping remote control daemon(s): LIRC                               [fail]
[02:47] <Milos_SD>  * Loading LIRC modules                                                  [ OK ]
[02:47] <len> Alpha 7.3 xorg drivers were terrible and the just resently got better right before the beta.
[02:48] <Milos_SD>  * Starting remote control daemon(s) : LIRC                              [fail]
[02:48] <protonchris> Milos_SD: /var/log/syslog
[02:48] <len> They esp had issues with firefox.
[02:48] <Milos_SD> what should I search for?
[02:48] <protonchris> Milos_SD: lirc
[02:48] <pen> I wonder why group and tab windows plugin always crash my ubuntu when I try to group windows?
[02:49] <pen> or freeze would be more appropriate
[02:51] <Milos_SD> lircd-0.8.3pre1[11296]: caught signal
[02:51] <Milos_SD> lircd-0.8.3pre1[11296]: closing '/dev/input/irremote'
[02:51] <Milos_SD> ircd-0.8.3pre1[11300]: caught signal
[02:53] <protonchris> Milos_SD: anything else?
[02:53] <Milos_SD> no
[02:53] <Milos_SD> but I can see when I restart my PC in init1 error for starting lirc daemon
[02:54] <Milos_SD> I tried to go back to early version of lirc
[02:54] <Milos_SD> but no help :(
[02:55] <saltedlight_> have another strange problem...
[02:55] <protonchris> Milos_SD: try looking in /var/log/daemon.log
[02:55] <saltedlight_> on 7.10 my pixma mp150 scanner worked ok... now it won't scann again... any ideea how to figure this out?
[02:56] <saltedlight_> *now as in i'm on 8.04
[02:57] <Milos_SD> I got it to work now ... but I don't know what is wrong in automatic configuration
[02:57] <Milos_SD> I did this: sudo lircd -d /dev/input/irremote -H dev/input
[02:57] <Zoem> anyone have any idea how to install the modules for the ad1988b audio codec?
[02:57] <Milos_SD> but, /etc/lirc/hardware.conf is OK
[02:57] <Milos_SD> :S
[02:59] <protonchris> Milos_SD: strange
[03:03] <Zoem> anyone have any idea how to install the modules for the ad1988b audio codec?
[03:03] <Milos_SD> I got it to work now
[03:03] <Milos_SD> :D
[03:03] <Armagguedes> my firefox3b4 is quite slow on kubuntu hardy, and i'm not talking about connection issues here mind u, the whole thing is half-unresponsive and its refreshing/rendering is disgusting (and slower than FF<IP_ADDRESS>). any ideas why??
[03:03] <Milos_SD> I didn't see that in hardware.conf Start lircd was false
[03:03] <Milos_SD> :S
[03:07] <bazhang> Armagguedes: got any plugins for firefox3--and if so how many which ones
[03:08] <Armagguedes> clean install, nothing running
[03:08] <Armagguedes> actually, just a couple out of the repositories
[03:08] <Armagguedes> like launchpad integration
[03:09] <Armagguedes> lemme check the other one
[03:09] <Armagguedes> dom inspector
[03:09] <Armagguedes> and that's it bazhang
[03:09] <Milos_SD> I am so stupid :@
[03:10] <bazhang> Armagguedes: what cpu how much ram on that computer
[03:10] <heartsblood> I just wanted to say, whoever let "Allow to control the pointer using the keyboard" slip as a default option should be forced to do binary math on a 5150 for the rest of their life.
[03:10] <Milos_SD> that little thing in hardware.conf was the problem all along - for 7 days a was nocking my head out how to fix this
[03:10] <Milos_SD> :@
[03:10] <Armagguedes> DuoCore 2.4GHz, 3GiB (actually 4, but 32bit systems are limited to 3)
[03:11] <protonchris> heartsblood: maybe you should submit a bug
[03:11] <Armagguedes> more than enough (thou i had to scrap KDE4-remix because it dragged its feet)
[03:11] <larson9999> hmmm my laptop is cooler with hardy.
[03:11] <bazhang> Armagguedes: that is odd; was it always this slow or did it become so after a time
[03:12] <heartsblood> Protonchris, it's not technically a bug.
[03:12] <heartsblood> Protonchris, the options works fine, I just don't know why it's turned on by default.
[03:12] <Armagguedes> no
[03:12] <protonchris> heartsblood: which package?
[03:13] <Armagguedes> right from the beginning, when i installed it a couple hours ago
[03:13] <Armagguedes> when i opened it the 1st time around it was dragging already
[03:13] <heartsblood> protonchris, what do you mean?
[03:13] <bazhang> Armagguedes: what video card and which driver how installed
[03:14] <protonchris> Armagguedes: also, what is your CPU usage?
[03:14] <Armagguedes> GeForce 8600, but i don't know about the driver
[03:14] <protonchris> heartsblood: I mean what piece of software has that default.
[03:15] <bazhang> Armagguedes: how installed; that driver--this is the most likely reason for the slowness--that card and improperly configured drivers for it
[03:15] <heartsblood> protonchris, it's the system keyboard settings for 8.04
[03:15] <Armagguedes> cpu usage- 2-5% either core
[03:15] <Armagguedes> how can i fix it then
[03:15] <Armagguedes> ?
[03:15] <Armagguedes> btw, i have no swap.
[03:15] <heartsblood> protonchris, under 'mouse keys' "Allow to control the pointer using the keyboard" is checked by default.
[03:16] <protonchris> heartsblood: Strange that was the default on mine.
[03:16] <protonchris> was -> wasn't
[03:18] <len> Hmm.  I plugged in the HP C5180 via usb and it autoinstalled/generated a ppd in nothing flat, so it appears that in 8.04 they removed the static ppds and only generate ppd on on the fly when the printer is plugged in via usb.  It was a pretty stupid assumption to assume that all photosmart printers would be plugged in via usb when quite a few of the models are networkable.
[03:20] <tgm4883_laptop> In System > Preferences > Screen Resolution, in an attempt to fix another issue, I set the resolution to off.  Where is this setting kept?  I can't get it turned back on and I have no video now :(
[03:23] <nibblesmx> the "share folder" option in nautilus is gone. And "Shared Folders" in administration is also gone. Does anybody knows why?
[03:26] <thebishop> the hardy beta is very sluggish for me.  MP3s don't even play smoothly
[03:32] <corporeal> there's the kde-desktop package, is there a kde4-desktop package or something for the kde4 version? and can it be installed alongside kde-desktop
[03:33] <Boohbah> corporeal: kubuntu-kde4-desktop; yes
[03:33] <corporeal> Boohbah: awesome, thanks :-)
[03:52] <tommost> Has anyone had problems with the upgrade manager failing to download packages?  It has been unable to download xulrunner twice for me today.
[03:54] <tommost> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xulrunner-1.9/xulrunner-1.9_1.9$ Connection failed [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[03:57] <len> In case anyone is interested, this appears to be a Kubuntu 8.04 specific problem.  All the photsmart ppd files show up when configuring via localhost:631 cups browser, but the list is truncated when it displays in KDE printer wizard.  Quit a bit of the bottom of the printers list is not displayed for selection.  I'm assuming it works OK in Ubuntu 8.04.
[03:58] <len> Too bad there is no kubuntu+1 channel/
[03:59] <Armagguedes> tommost, not at all
[03:59] <Armagguedes> but i'm using uk.archive...
[03:59] <tommost> Hmm.  I guess I'll look into switching to a different server, then.
[04:00] <Armagguedes> use the canadian - CA - servers
[04:00] <Armagguedes> they'd be the ones closest to you
[04:00] <Armagguedes> i think
[04:01] <tommost> Oh, definitely.  I'm in Wisconsin.
[04:02] <tommost> Whoa... I just opened update manager.  All of the packages appear to be sitting here.
[04:02] <alvarezp> Hello. I found a problem in a driver in Hardy Beta. How do I go back a couple of versions, to find the affected version?
[04:03] <leftyfb> anyone know the deal with sharing folders in hardy? I installed nautilus-shares and can do so via right-clicking a folder, but is there going to be a more standard way of doing this going forward? There also used to be a sharing tool in administration which is now gone.
[04:09] <Rezagrats> 0.0 no one's saying anything?!
[04:09] <Rezagrats> Amazing
[04:09] <Rezagrats> Time has frozen within #ubuntu+1's confines, night all
[04:21] <Luke__> my headphones have stopped working in 8.04. all sounds are unmuted and up in alsamixer. any suggestions?
[04:23] <mesilliac> do you have the "headphone" switch activated? (under the switches tab in volume control)
[04:29] <eduardo> Question: How do i customize visual effects?
[04:30] <leftyfb> eduardo: sudo apt-get inatall compizconfig-settings-manager
[04:31] <eduardo> thanx
[04:33] <Ashex> What do I need to do to install Kubuntu KDE4?
[04:33] <Ashex> I'm running KDE3 right now
[04:33] <jbroome> kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[04:34] <Ashex> thanks jbroome
[04:34] <Black_Magic> Well Winehq Has no idea so i came here to see if anyone can help
[04:35] <Ashex> any idea how often the kde4 libs are updated?
[04:35] <Black_Magic> Im trying to play a game in wine called lastchaos but when i launch it it like hangs out of the window here is the terminal output: http://pastebin.com/f9a84e17 And here is a Screenie if it helps http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=anotherexampledm1.png
[04:35] <eduardo> leftyfb, after doing that where do i customize?
[04:35] <Black_Magic> I have latest version of wine and AppDB Rates it Platinum
[04:36] <leftyfb> eduardo: http://help.ubuntu.com will answer questions exactly like this ... look under customizing desktop
[04:36] <eduardo> thats for 7.10
[04:38] <eduardo> leftyfb: there's no customize button under the "Visual Effects" lid
[04:38] <leftyfb> eduardo: that's not for 7.10 and you don't need to hit the customize button
[04:39] <leftyfb> system - preferences - advanced desktop effect settings
[04:39] <eduardo> leftyfb, well this is what the page header says "Documentation for Ubuntu 7.10"
[04:40] <leftyfb> that's because it was written for 7.10, the latest released version of ubuntu
[04:41] <keanu|afk> Question/problem - on my Dell Inspiron 1525, sound works, but volume needs to be nearly 75% to be audible - any ideas why?
[04:41] <jbroome> what's alsamixer set to?
[04:42] <keanu|afk> not quite sure what you're looking for
[04:42] <keanu|afk> bars are all 100% except master, which is 70%
[04:43] <eduardo> thank you leftyfb
[04:44] <keanu|afk> jbroome, with vlc at 100% and master volume at 100%, it sounds like the one of the lowest volume steps in Windows
[04:44] <jbroome> hurm
[04:45] <keanu|afk> i get sound and all, which makes it kind of weird, it's just really quiet
[04:46] <SpartanII117> keanu|afk: are there any other output jacks?
[04:47] <keanu|afk> SpartanII117, it's the built in speakers that are quiet - i haven't tried the jacks - hold
[04:47] <Chiarot> can someone help me get Ubutnu v8 beta working on dual monitor? (if possible) i just picked up a 2nd monitor today :P
[04:48] <collusion> Just go to Other -> Screens and Graphics.
[04:48] <SpartanII117> Chiarot: i probabally can, what kind of card do you have?
[04:48] <collusion> If you have the hardware, Xorg may detect the second monitor for you.
[04:49] <Chiarot> hmmm crap   sec lol, i got the name if it somewhere :D
[04:49] <SpartanII117> nvidia, ati or intel?
[04:49] <Chiarot> ATI
[04:50] <SpartanII117> Chiarot:  collusion may have the answer then, i only know nvidia stuff
[04:50] <keanu|afk> SpartanII117, the Inspiron 1525 has two headphone jacks - the first one works, and has slightly more power, the second one is 'dead'
[04:50] <SpartanII117> the second one should be your mic jack?
[04:51] <Chiarot> darn :P
[04:51] <keanu|afk> SpartanII117, it doesn't appear to be the mic jack
[04:51] <eduardo> Question: Whats the best windows emulator?
[04:51] <Chiarot> ill keep looking on google *prays he can find a answer*
[04:51] <tommost> eduardo: I'm fond of KVM.
[04:52] <eduardo> tommost thanks
[04:52] <SpartanII117> ok, are there any options for amplificataion in the prefrences for volume-control?
[04:52] <keanu|afk> SpartanII117, dunno if there's a decent picture on Dell's site, but there's three jacks on the front - one two have the headphone symbol, the other has the mic symbol
[04:52] <tommost> VMWare also works nicely; it lets you copy and paste between the virtual machine and your local applications.
[04:52] <bhsx> has anyone tried to use nautilus' 'connect to server' function to connect to another ubuntu box using ssh?  it just fails saying sftp was rejected...  how do i set that up to accept it?
[04:52] <Chiarot> i useto use VMWare untill i got a bigger harddrive ^_^ lol
[04:53] <RAOF> Chiarot: System->Preferences->Screen resolution should allow you to play with dual-head nice and easily, if you're not using fglrx.
[04:53] <keanu|afk> SpartanII117, not sure if I'm looking in the right place, but I didn't see any options for amplification (gnome-volume-control preferences)
[04:54] <dimitree> problems deleting files :) i moved a folder from desktop to trash and when i try to empty trash it says permission denied :)
[04:54] <dimitree> how can i delete this folder ?
[04:55] <SpartanII117> i think you are, hace you tried google to see if there's any special module that needs to be loaded for the sound card?
[04:55] <SpartanII117> *have
[04:55] <keanu|afk> I checked on Dell's wiki, but didn't see anything - checking google didn't reveal any problems
[04:55] <SpartanII117> ok,
[04:56] <Chiarot> what type of dell is it?
[04:56] <keanu|afk> Chiarot, inspiron 1525
[04:56] <Tuv0k> pulse audio is supposed to be default in hardy
[04:56] <Tuv0k> my xubuntu install has no pulse happening
[04:57] <keanu|afk> Chiarot, not sure if it makes a difference (but I do know that the wireless cards are different, so who knows) but it is the 'windows version' of the laptop, and I installed ubuntu myself
[04:57] <RAOF> Tuv0k: xubuntu != ubuntu.  I don't think kubuntu has pulse by default, either.
[04:58] <Tuv0k> thx :/
[04:58] <Chiarot> alrighty, lets see if i can find something, i rember a mate of mine in class had same problem with a acer laptop
[04:58] <keanu|afk> ok, thanks
[04:58] <Chiarot> if hes online ill see what he did to fix
[04:58] <Tuv0k> I'll get it working
[04:58] <RAOF> Tuv0k: A simple "aptitude install pulseaudio" will pull it in for you, though.
[04:58] <Tuv0k> just thought it was default
[04:58] <Tuv0k> I had it working in gutsy
[04:59] <Tuv0k> was hoping I was not going to have to hack
[04:59] <Tuv0k> and assumed hardy was hardy
[04:59] <Tuv0k> but here we go with this *buntu garbage
[04:59]  * Tuv0k grumble
[05:00] <leftyfb> Tuv0k: Hardy is not released yet
[05:01] <Tuv0k> pulse has been working in hardy for me since the start
[05:01] <Tuv0k> you have me mistaken for a noob
[05:01] <Tuv0k> I know when its released
[05:01] <keanu|afk> Chiarot, At the bottom of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/186940 another user mentions sound being soft - same sound card
[05:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 186940 in linux "SigmaTel STAC9228 8.04 Broken" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[05:02] <RAOF> Tuv0k: "Hardy, as always, has the latest Gnome release" :).  Generally, when we refer without qualification we're referring to Ubuntu - Kubuntu & Xubuntu have different sets of defaults (as do Ubuntu-studio and Mythbuntu, etc).
[05:03] <Chiarot> yup, and i have no problems with sound on a old 1100 diminsion dell
[05:03] <Chiarot> (what im using atm.....)
[05:04] <Tuv0k> RAOF, I'm learning that. I've never touch the other variants until I got this old Dell, I put xubuntu on it, well come to think of it, it really is not a xubuntu cd. It was installed from the server cd, as I do all my installs.
[05:04] <keanu|afk> same sound card?
[05:04] <SpartanII117> the most you can do is subscribe to the big and see if anyone finds a solution.
[05:05] <keanu|afk> k
[05:05] <Tuv0k> I never use the generic full desktop cds, like the noobs
[05:05] <Tuv0k> all from server cds
[05:05] <Chiarot> lol, i just wait, buy a external harddrive and use that XD
[05:05] <Tuv0k> so that I if no one else, maintain consistency
[05:05] <Chiarot> i think i got about 7 or 8 different linux flavors XD
[05:06] <Tuv0k> nvrmind, I'll hack at it and it it working as per usual
[05:06] <Chiarot> then a few days back i was like :O beta for ubutu..... must *drooling* have
[05:06]  * Tuv0k this is getting old
[05:06] <jast-mxm__> quick vmware questions, since no one in #vmware is answering: when allocating diskspace should i split my space into 2gb files or leave as one file? which has better performance implications?
[05:06] <jbroome> totally not #ubuntu+1 related
[05:07]  * jast-mxm__ sighs "sorry" i'll go bug them some more
[05:07] <SpartanII117> uou might try the regular ubuntu channel
[05:07] <jbroome> that's probably on the google somewhere
[05:07] <bazhang> jast-mxm__: either works up to you really
[05:08] <SpartanII117> Chiarot: i do the samr about 1-1.5 months before final
[05:08] <RAOF> jast-mxm__: The only reason you'd want to split your files is if you're using a broken filesystem (like fat32).
[05:08] <SpartanII117> (on a secondary machene ofcourse)
[05:08] <jast-mxm__> raof: thanks
[05:08] <jast-mxm__> i'm doing this in 8.04 if it matters ^_^
[05:09] <Chiarot> :O sounds like fun
[05:10] <SpartanII117> very
[05:10]  * Chiarot wishes game devolopers would start recoginizing linux =(
[05:10]  * SpartanII117 agrees
[05:10] <Chiarot> or hel leven mac :D
[05:11] <Chiarot> hell even *
[05:11] <Chiarot> *drools...... wants mac so badly=* lol
[05:11] <secret901> anyone know anything about audio not working after an update to Hardy?
[05:11] <SpartanII117> just posix compatible would be awesome
[05:11] <Chiarot> lmfao, nah Photoshop :D
[05:11] <JohnPhys> Is anyone affected by Bug #190848 ?
[05:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190848 in gnome-terminal "font in terminal does not resemble font in preview" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190848
[05:12] <Chiarot> like sure theres wine......
[05:12] <Chiarot> but it doesnt beat the real thing :P
[05:12] <SpartanII117> secret901: audio in general or audio in wine?
[05:12] <secret901> after I update to Hardy, my audio just isn't recognized anymore
[05:12] <SpartanII117> Chiarot: does for me:)
[05:12] <JohnPhys> secret901:  My sound works, though I did a clean install.  Many people ask about sound issues in here, so I'm sure there's some bug reports on it in launchpad
[05:13] <Chiarot> anyways im out, buddies want me to play FFXI :P -.- ugh! back to windows    ill c hat later :)
[05:13] <SpartanII117> ok
[05:13] <SpartanII117> ttyl
[05:14] <keanu|afk> Chiarot, Following method K on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Gutsy_Intel_HD_Audio_Controller, it seems dell's package would work, but it's for 2.6.22 =/
[05:14] <SpartanII117> keanu|afk: sorry, he just left
[05:14] <secret901> SpartanII117: after that, I reinstalled alsa from source; and get really static-y sound
[05:14] <keanu|afk> SpartanII117, heh, didn't notice
[05:15] <SpartanII117> sec, do you have a digital out turned up in volume-control?
[05:15] <SpartanII117> *sec
[05:16] <SpartanII117> * secret901
[05:16] <secret901> SpartanII117: I can't use volume control, it can't recognize my audio card
[05:17] <SpartanII117> ok...
[05:17] <secret901> SpartanII117: after I get all static-y sound, I removed the kernel and reinstalled it from source
[05:17] <SpartanII117> it sounds to me like you have a conflicting digital output
[05:17] <secret901> SpartanII117: then I'm back to square one
[05:18] <secret901> SpartanII117: it was working perfectly in Gutsy
[05:18] <SpartanII117> can you just force install the gutsy debs?
[05:18] <secret901> SpartanII117: I think Hardy used some new untested audio system
[05:18] <secret901> SpartanII117: I have no idea how
[05:19] <SpartanII117> try removing everything pulseaudio related and puting in all the alsa stuff
[05:19] <secret901> SpartanII117: that sounds kindda risky
[05:20] <secret901> SpartanII117: and I have no idea what's related
[05:21] <SpartanII117> then i dont know what to tellyou, check launch pad with the name ou your audio chip/
[05:21] <Jordan_U> secret901, You are just getting statiky sound? Try turning down some of the channels, it's probably just clipping ( try staying out of the red in alsamixer )
[05:23] <secret901> Jordan_U: I tried all of that, didn't work.  But after I reinstalled the kernel I'm back to square one
[05:23] <secret901> Jordan_U: and now I can't get any sound to work
[05:24] <Jordan_U> secret901, ( Did I try to help you earlier ?) Does asound conf list print anything?
[05:24] <Jordan_U> secret901, make that "asoundconf list" ( one word :)
[05:25] <secret901> Jordan_U: I don't think you've helped me before; no sound cards are recognized
[05:27] <secret901> Jordan_U: I have an Intel 82801G audio controller
[05:27] <Jordan_U> secret901, I don't know then, if you are desperate try OSS, I've heard a lot of hype about it, not sure if it really lives up to it though
[05:28] <secret901> Jordan_U: I tried OSS too...works OK but crashes when I have 2 programs trying to use sound at the same time
[05:28] <secret901> Jordan_U: and doesn't really integrate with volume control
[05:29] <secret901> Jordan_U: but I guess beggars can't be choosers...
[05:29] <Jordan_U> secret901, You might be able to get around that by using pulseaudio
[05:29] <secret901> Jordan_U: isn't that what's causing all my woes in the first place?
[05:31] <Jordan_U> secret901, I doubt it, pulseaudio is just runs on top of ALSA / OSS so it probably didn't break them
[05:31] <techqbert> can anybody help me with eclipse?  ever since 8.04, eclipse thinks java.util.Scanner doesn't exist.
[05:32] <secret901> Jordan_U: does Hardy come with some new version of alsa or something
[05:32] <pen> is there a way to make gmail support firefox 3 beta 4?
[05:32] <SpartanII117> pen: it does
[05:32] <secret901> pen: what is it not supporting?
[05:32] <Jordan_U> secret901, It's a new version but not anything drastic
[05:32] <secret901> Jordan_U: it's drastic to me...
[05:32] <Jordan_U> pen, Works fine here
[05:33] <pen> I use Firefox 3 beta 4 and gmail said it's not supported
[05:33] <Hello_Drupal> guys is this a support channel?
[05:33] <pen> I don't know why
[05:33] <secret901> pen: are you using some extension that changes the user-client?
[05:33] <Jordan_U> Hello_Drupal, Sort of, when you use a Beta OS you give up some expectation of support :)
[05:33] <pen> secret901: maybe, let me check
[05:34] <pen> aha, yes, I think I will just change it back it should be fine then, thx
[05:34] <secret901> pen: yw
[05:35] <pen> :)
[05:35] <Hello_Drupal> ok i did a screen right felp .. and it seems that i can't get it right back at what it was .. does anyone have an idea?
[05:36] <secret901> Jordan_U: so how do I set pulseaudio to sit on top of oss instead of alsa?
[05:36] <pen> secret901: easy, just configure app to use pulseaudio
[05:36] <pen> secret901: instead of alsa
[05:36] <Jordan_U> secret901, I don't know, hopefully you just enable pulseaudio and it will realize that it needs to use OSS
[05:36] <pen> secret901: that works on almost all the apps I use
[05:37] <keanu> is there any way to get dell's custom l-b-m to work with the 2.6.24 kernel?
[05:37] <secret901> pen: how do I set an app to change the audio program?  When I switched to oss, it works for vlc but not for mplayer
[05:37] <JohnPhys> l-b-m?
[05:38] <secret901> pen: and it locks up oss when more than one program tries to use the audio card
[05:38] <Jordan_U> secret901, Set up gnome to use pulseaudio, for mplayer use -ao pulse
[05:38] <keanu> linux-backports-module (dell website referred to it as l-b-m)
[05:38] <pen> secret901: just set both to pulseaudio
[05:38] <pen> secret901: no need to worry about alsa or oss
[05:39] <secret901> pen: alsa is borking my system
[05:39] <JohnPhys> ah ok
[05:39] <secret901> pen: it's not recognizing my card
[05:39] <secret901> Jordan_U: can you be more detailed? I don't know how to set up gnome
[05:39] <pen> secret901: how do you know?
[05:40] <Jordan_U> secret901, System -> Preferences -> Sound
[05:40] <pen> secret901: did you try to install oss before?
[05:40] <keanu> JohnPhys, based on the 11 methods on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Gutsy_Intel_HD_Audio_Controller, dell's custom copy of it seems to be the only thing that works
[05:40] <keanu> only problem is, it's for an old kernel
[05:40] <secret901> pen: I upgraded from Gutsy to Hardy, and the audio stopped working; volume control says it can't find an audio device
[05:40] <secret901> pen: then I tried installing OSS, it seems to work, but isn't integrated into the system
[05:41] <pen> secret901: uninstall oss
[05:41] <secret901> pen: I did
[05:41] <pen> secret901: and make all alsa to pulseaudio
[05:41] <pen> secret901: in System | Preferences | Sound too
[05:41] <secret901> pen: how do I do that? alsa isn't even working because it's not recognizing my card
[05:41] <chequers> Hi, I'm getting a lot of messages in /var/log/messages like this: `Mar 31 12:37:42 aj-laptop kernel: [ 1872.863436] input: b43-phy0 as /devices/virtual/input/input49`
[05:41] <keanu> JohnPhys, and it fixes the second headphone jack =/
[05:41] <chequers> Does anyone know what they mean?
[05:42] <pen> secret901: can you hear sound if you choose pulseaudio instead als?
[05:42] <secret901> pen: nope
[05:42] <pen> what is your default device in sound preference?
[05:42] <secret901> pen: I get an error
[05:42] <yell0w> hi guys, does anyway know how to fix ndiswrapper problem with hardy beta on a bcm4318 ?
[05:42] <pen> secret901: could you be more specific?
[05:43] <chequers> yell0w: there's a new driver available for it, I'm using the new driver
[05:43] <yell0w> chequers: where ?
[05:43] <chequers> it's called b43, although I'm having some problems with it..
[05:43] <secret901> pen: I set sound playback to be PulseAudio Sound Server, I get the error: audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink profile=chat: Failed to connect stream: Invalid argument
[05:43] <chequers> yell0w: it was the default in the restricted driver manager for me
[05:44] <yell0w> chequers: b43 doesn't work for me, so i switched back to ndiswrapper, which worked in gutsy, but now not working
[05:44] <pen> secret901: how about auto?
[05:44] <secret901> pen: originally, they're all autodetect
[05:44] <pen> secret901: does it work?
[05:44] <pen> secret901: ok, what is your kernel?
[05:44] <secret901> pen: none of the choices work
[05:44] <secret901> pen: how do I find that? I remember removing the kernel that comes with Hardy Beta and installing another one from source
[05:44] <chequers> yell0w: it's not working for me, but I'm trying to get b43 working as ndiswrapper brings nothing but pain and is now obsolete anyway imo :P
[05:44] <secret901> pen: but not sure if it's the same version
[05:45] <pen> secret901: I mean your kernel version
[05:45] <secret901> pen: yes, the Linux kernel
[05:45] <yell0w> chequers: does ndiswrapper works for you ?
[05:45] <pen> secret901: What is the version you are using?
[05:45] <secret901> pen: I have no idea, how do I find that out?
[05:45] <chequers> yell0w: on 8.04? haven't tried. on 7.10? yes.
[05:46] <pen> secret901: go to system monitor and click System tab
[05:47] <pen> secret901: it should show you the kernel you are using currently
[05:47] <secret901> pen: 2.6.24-12 generic
[05:47] <yell0w> chequers: if it does, let me know
[05:47] <pen> secret901: you know where system monitor is right?
[05:48] <secret901> pen: yes, the version is 2.6.24-12 generic
[05:50] <pen> secret901: did you uninstall oss completely and reinstall alsA?
[05:50] <secret901> pen: yes, I uninstalled oss; not sure if I reinstalled alsa, but it seems to be installed
[05:50] <pen> secret901: did it work before you upgrade?
[05:51] <secret901> pen: yes, it worked perfectly
[05:51] <pen> secret901: so it might be that oss is messing up alsa
[05:51] <Jordan_U> secret901, How did you install OSS?
[05:51] <secret901> pen: not a chance, since I never had OSS before all this problem started
[05:52] <secret901> pen: I upgraded to Hardy, then the sound stopped working
[05:52] <secret901> pen: so I followed someone's advice and removed alsa and reinstalled a newer version from source
[05:52] <pen> secret901: did alsa work for you?
[05:52] <pen> secret901: before you install oss?
[05:52] <secret901> pen: no
[05:52] <secret901> pen: it worked in Gutsy, not Hardy
[05:52] <pen> secret901: alsa?
[05:53] <secret901> pen: yes, alsa worked fine in Gutsy
[05:53] <pen> secret901: then why would you want to install oss?
[05:53] <pen> secret901: is it after you upgrade?
[05:53] <secret901> pen: because it stopped working after I upgraded the computer to Hardy
[05:54] <pen> secret901: ok, try reinstall alsa and switch to pulseaudio
[05:54] <secret901> pen: alsa is installed
[05:54] <pen> secret901: I assume you uninstall oss completely
[05:54] <secret901> pen: yes
[05:54] <pen> secret901: can you use alsa now?
[05:54] <pen> secret901: can it detect your devices?
[05:54] <secret901> pen: alsa is installed, but my audio cards are not recognized
[05:55] <secret901> pen: I'm back to where I started when I first upgraded to Hardy
[05:55] <secret901> pen: oss isn't the problem here, it's alsa
[05:55] <secret901> pen: a lot of work had been done to the intel module
[05:55] <pen> secret901: what is your sound card?
[05:56] <secret901> pen:    82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller with STAC9200 Codec
[05:57] <secret901> pen: my laptop comes with Ubuntu installed; it's supported by Dell
[05:57] <eduardo> Question: how do i enable javascript in firefox?
[05:57] <secret901> eduardo: did you disable it?
[05:57] <secret901> Jordan_U: I installed OSS using a .deb file
[05:58] <eduardo> secrect901, no but i cant see videos in youtube
[05:58] <pen> secret901: try this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1742116
[05:58] <secret901> eduardo: is it telling you that you need to install Flash?
[05:58] <Jordan_U> secret901, You should definitely check if there is a bug already filed then,
[05:58] <pen> secret901: reboot afer you followed the steps
[05:59] <eduardo> secret901, either that or having javascript turned off
[05:59] <secret901> pen: I'm sure this is a Hardy problem; since it worked fine in Gutsy
[06:00] <pen> secret901: did you try to add the line?
[06:00] <nikrud> speaking of flash, is anyone else seeing the 'play 3 seconds and stop' behavior?
[06:00] <Jordan_U> secret901, Because a bug like sound not working on a Dellbuntu is not going to last long :)
[06:00] <secret901> Jordan_U: I filed a bug, but haven't heard anything; I saw a similar bug that was fixed and tried it, but it gets me nowhere
[06:01] <yell0w> hi guys, does anyway know how to fix ndiswrapper problem with hardy beta on a bcm4318 ? (it worked in gutsy)
[06:01] <Jordan_U> nikrud, There is a bug filed, I belive it has to do with pulseaudio and has been fixed but only for new installs ( so it's a config file issue ), but that's just from memory
[06:01] <secret901> pen: I don't think it's necessary, since this post was years ago and only applicable to earlier versions of Ubuntu
[06:01] <secret901> pen: this laptop comes with Feisty, and it also worked fine in Gutsy
[06:01] <nikrud> I saw a firefox2 download, but not firefox3.
[06:02] <secret901> eduardo: try reloading the file, I sometimes get that message if my connection is slow
[06:02] <secret901> eduardo: I mean the page
[06:03] <pen> secret901: sometimes this is not apply only to the specific distro, you have  to try before you can prove that. I sometimes fix my problem from old threads, you just need to back the files.
[06:03] <pen> secret901: *backup
[06:05] <danuel> Does anyone know why Hardy doesn't allow mounting of windows volumes (NTFS) without sudo?  "You are not privileged to mount this volume"
[06:06] <secret901> pen: ok, I'll try it
[06:06] <pen> secret901: just come back if you still experience problems
[06:06] <secret901> pen: I'm sure I will, bbl
[06:06] <pen> :)
[06:11] <CarlFK> what do I have to install so that u-server will mount usb drives when I plug them in?
[06:13] <secret901> pen: I'm back
[06:13] <secret901> too bad he's gone
[06:13] <Scientus> how do i rerun the install hardware scripts
[06:15] <SpartanII117> secret901: still having problems?
[06:15] <secret901> SpartanII117: yup
[06:15] <secret901> SpartanII117: I think I'm gonna try OSS
[06:15] <secret901> SpartanII117: alsa seems really messed up in my computer
[06:16] <SpartanII117> ok, good luck
[06:16] <AnswerGuy> Is there a simple way to get a LiveCD boot to refrain from starting X ... to just boot into text mode?
[06:21] <AnswerGuy> BTW: 8.04 beta LiveCD can be booted over a network without any changes to the kernel nor to the inird; just pop the kernel and init rd into the tftpboot area, add the magice to your pxelinux.cfg/default, copy the rest of the CD contents to someplace suitable, NFS export that and away you go.
[06:22]  * AnswerGuy grumps at all those typos cause by his laggy line. :(
[06:34] <JohnPhys> does anyone know why gnome-system-tools is not installed in hardy by default?
[06:34] <Scientus> will hardy survive a switch from vmware image to physical install?
[06:34] <Scientus> a nd how would i do such a switch
[06:35] <JohnPhys> among other things, it provided teh "share folders" gui frontend for sharing files via nfs and smb
[06:35] <Scientus> how do i rerun the install hardware scripts
[06:35] <DanaG> Hmm, I got a 750GB backup drive that I'm trying to figure out how to partition.
[06:35] <JohnPhys> Scientus:  That sounds extremely tricky and awful to do.  Any reason why you don't just want to do a regular install?
[06:36] <DanaG> If I maintain the same proportions between partitions as on my internal drive (minus swap), round, and then add, I get just over 3 gigs left over.
[06:36] <Scientus> i want to create a complicated entwork with multiple virtual machines on 1 computer before deploying them
[06:36] <DanaG> That's kinda' interesting; now I have to decide where to put it.
[06:38] <Scientus> ubuntu isnt recognizing my usb hd
[06:43] <eduardo> Question: I'm trying to install flash player 9, and instalation asks me to type in firefox location, does anybody know its location?
[06:44] <eduardo> Question: I'm trying to install flash player 9, and instalation asks me to type in firefox location, does anybody know its location?
[06:44] <JohnPhys> eduardo, what installation method are you using?
[06:45] <eduardo> terminal
[06:45] <JohnPhys> what specifically?
[06:46] <eduardo> johnphys:  tar xzvf /home/eduardo/Desktop/Downloads/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz
[06:46] <JohnPhys> eduardo:  is there a reason you're not installing from the repositories?
[06:46] <eduardo> i didnt know it was on the repo
[06:47] <eduardo> i think i just found it
[06:47] <eduardo> its under usr
[06:47] <JohnPhys> well, a meta-package is that downloads it from adobe's site
[06:47] <JohnPhys> flashplugin-nonfree
[06:47] <JohnPhys> if you go to youtube (or any flash site) in firefox it should ask you to install the plugin, and then give you the option of adobe flash or gnash
[06:48] <eduardo> i chose adobe flash
[06:48] <eduardo> i cant install it..
[06:49] <eduardo> Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, Netscape,
[06:49] <eduardo> or Opera browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla): /usr/lib/mozilla
[06:49] <eduardo> WARNING: Please enter a valid installation path.
[06:49] <eduardo> Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, Netscape,
[06:49] <eduardo> or Opera browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla): /usr/lib/mozilla/
[06:49] <eduardo> WARNING: Please enter a valid installation path.
[06:49] <eduardo> Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, Netscape,
[06:49] <eduardo> or Opera browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla):
[06:49] <eduardo> thats its location.. /usr/lib/mozilla/ idk why its not working
[06:49] <JohnPhys> well when you choose adobe flash from within firefox, everything should be nice and automated and you should not need to mess with the terminal
[06:50] <eduardo> well it wasnt lol
[06:50] <JohnPhys> heh, try again?
[06:51] <JohnPhys> you should not need to dl manually from adobe's site
[06:51] <JohnPhys> try sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[06:51] <eduardo> kk
[06:51] <eduardo> ill try
[06:52] <quentusrex> For some reason the ubuntu kernel 2.6.24-12 generic fails to boot and hangs at the message "Waiting for Root File system... ..."
[06:52] <eduardo> ok its working now
[06:52] <eduardo> thx
[06:53] <JohnPhys> Why the gnome-system-tools package not installed in Hardy beta by default?  Is there another way to use a gui to set up smb/nfs file shares?  I tried searching the forums, bugs, blueprints, and answers, and didn't see anything obvious.  Thanks for your time (and the great distro!)
[07:03] <Griswold> JohnPhys, shares-admin is what I used
[07:03] <Griswold> System->Administration->Shared Folders is where to find it.
[07:04] <quentusrex> Anyone know why the kernel 2.6.24-12 generic would fail to boot???
[07:04] <JohnPhys> Griswold:  That's my question. The shares-admin command seems to be provided by the gnome-system-tools package, which is not installed (there's no "Shared Folders" menu item) on a Hardy Beta clean install.
[07:05] <Griswold> Oh, I see
[07:05] <earl> does anyone know a fair amount about powernowd?
[07:05] <Griswold> JohnPhys, I just did an upgrade.
[07:05] <JohnPhys> Griswold:  I guessed so :)
[07:05] <Griswold> Maybe ask in the devel channel?
[07:05] <JohnPhys> I did, they suggested that topic was more suited over here
[07:05] <Griswold> Ahh
[07:05] <JohnPhys> *better, not more
[07:06] <Griswold> Maybe open a launchpad bug?
[07:06] <JohnPhys> also tried searching ubuntuforums.org, as well as bugs/answers/blueprints in launchpad
[07:06] <RAOF> earl: A better way of finding out what you want is to just ask your question about powernowd, and then people can see if they know the answer.
[07:07] <earl> i'm curious as to whether or not it's a good idea to reduce the poll interval to like 100ms or maybe 10ms.
[07:08] <RAOF> 10ms is likely to be counterproductive, you'll be waking the cpu at 100Hz.
[07:10] <RAOF> earl: What exactly would you like the result of your change to be?  Faster system?    None of this "698.64GB" stuff.
[07:10] <DanaG> It' makes it REEEEALLY hard to decide how to divide partitions.
[07:10] <earl> i just figure reducing the poll interval would make it increase quicker to meet load, and subsequently turn it down quicker when its no longer necessary
[07:11] <earl> but i do realize there's an upper limit to the returns from this
[07:11] <DanaG> (note: hard to decide, not hard to calculate)
[07:12] <RAOF> earl: That would make sense, but it's quite possible that 1s is the right interval.  The transition busy->not busy doesn't really happen very often, and you don't want to substantially increase your baseload wakeups.
[07:12] <earl> i guess
[07:12] <earl> is powernowd new in hardy?
[07:12] <RAOF> No, not at all.
[07:12] <RAOF> Been there for _ages_.
[07:13] <earl> up until hardy, i used kubuntu. and there was a neat little applet that let you set power states... has gnome just never had one?
[07:13] <DanaG> Intel could've singlehandedly saved the world perhaps millions or billions of watts, without ditching P4, if they had merely included SpeedStep on ALL processors.
[07:13] <RAOF> earl: Oh, it's got some.  The CPUfreq applet.
[07:14] <earl> raof: the panel applet? far as i can tell that doesn't give me any control over anything other htan appearance
[07:14] <RAOF> earl: You need to have them installed suid root, which we don't do by default, so you can't change the freq.
[07:14] <earl> is it trivial to change that?
[07:14] <RAOF> Also, there's a couple of hidden switches in gconf under gnome-power-manager.  On the basis that you generally don't want to actually change
[07:14] <RAOF> policy very often.
[07:15] <RAOF> earl: Yeah, totally.  sudo chmod +s /wherever/the/applet/is, I think.
[07:15] <earl> what do you mean, "don't want to"
[07:16] <digin4> DO NOT WANT!
[07:16] <earl> DO NOT WANTTT
[07:16] <earl> No seriously though
[07:16] <RAOF> As in, you generally want to set it to a sane default, and forget it?
[07:16] <digin4> ;)
[07:16] <earl> well
[07:16] <earl> i like having the ability to set it to minimum
[07:16] <earl> or to maximum
[07:17] <earl> or to automatic
[07:17] <earl> the kde applet let me do that. i was happy.
[07:17] <RAOF> Yeah, well.  For that, the magic /apps/gnome-power-manager/ui/cpufreq_show boolean is provided for you.
[07:18] <pwuertz> hi, since hardy nautilus does not use the labels of my local filesystems anymore.. instead, my filesystems appear as "20.0 GB Media"... which is irritating if you have 2 filesystems with the same size
[07:18] <pwuertz> so you cannot distinguish between them
[07:19] <pwuertz> is there a way to convince nautilus to use labels instead of sizes?
[07:19] <RAOF> pwuertz: Mine does, actually.  But only the filesystem label, or somesuch.
[07:20] <pwuertz> RAOF: for removable media or for local filesystems as well?
[07:20] <pwuertz> because removable media appears by name as you would expect
[07:20] <earl> raof: not sure i understood that last comment
[07:20] <RAOF> Oh, I don't have any unfstab'd local filesystems.
[07:21] <RAOF> earl: Ah.  Fire up gconf-editor, navigate to apps->gnome-power-manager->ui and check the "cpufreq_show" box.
[07:21] <pwuertz> RAOF: oh my are fstab'd... but on the desktop.. the mounted filesystems appear by size
[07:22] <RAOF> Hm.  ???  Dunno.
[07:22] <earl> OH gnome-power-manager is the applet that shows whether or not i'm running on battery power?
[07:22] <RAOF> Yes.
[07:22] <RAOF> And has the "suspend" and whatnot, and power graphs, and such.
[07:23] <earl> no wonder gnome-power-manager in aterminal didn't do anything
[07:23] <earl> lol
[07:23] <RAOF> Heh.
[07:23] <earl> man my computer still won't suspend
[07:23] <earl> even though fglrx 8.3 is supposed to work with suspend, it does not
[07:23] <pwuertz> RAOF: like... I have 2 filesystems mounted at /media/data(1|2)... mounted by fstab ..... and nautilus places "20.0 GB Media" icons on the desktop
[07:23] <RAOF> pwuertz: That's kinda annoying.  Maybe bug-file-worthy?
[07:24] <RAOF> earl: Hah.  Restricted drivers = fail.
[07:24] <earl> oh yes they fail heartily
[07:24] <pwuertz> RAOF: oki
[07:24] <earl> but i want my compiz. =)
[07:24]  * RAOF continues to watch nouveau clone at the princely rate of 14KiB/s.
[07:24] <earl> i should also set icon policy to "always" huh?
[07:24] <RAOF> Probably useful, yeah :)
[07:26] <earl> so i checked that box and there doesn't seem to be any added control. is it because i still haven't chmod'ed that other thing
[07:26] <pwuertz> RAOF: most of the filesystem-detection stuff is done through Hal these days... can I get a list of the systems as reported by hal?
[07:27] <RAOF> No.  Right click->Preferences, and the "on battery" and "on AC" tabs will have the CPUFreq policy associated with them.
[07:29] <earl> RAOF: http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/8145/screenshotpowermanagemeve9.png
[07:29] <RAOF> You've flicked the gconf switch to true?
[07:30] <earl> http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/3900/screenshotconfigurationae8.png
[07:32] <fr500> hey
[07:32] <fr500> recently i read about a small ubuntu variant for vmware applications
[07:32] <fr500> what was it's name?
[07:33] <earl> RAOF: there's a tab under gnome-power-manager called cpufreq. doesnt seem to be anything useful in there though
[07:35] <earl> RAOF: found the problem. it's because i gconf-editor'ed as root
[07:36] <RAOF> Hah, right.
[07:36] <earl> whaaat
[07:37] <earl> how am i supposed to know! it's a configuration program, i figured i should sudo it
[07:37] <DanaG> !gksu
[07:37] <ubotu> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use « gksudo », as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[07:37] <DanaG> hah!
[07:37] <DanaG> Well, now you know for the future.
[07:37] <earl> and knowing is half the battle!
[07:38] <earl> 'CAUSE KNOWLEDGE IS POWER
[07:38] <DanaG> Oh hey, speaking of labels.... how do you set an NTFS volume label?
[07:38] <DanaG> Oh, and for a backup drive, am I better off with ext2 or ext3?
[07:39] <DanaG> The partition will be 230GB.
[07:39] <earl> brb. gonna see if the latest round of updates fixed my wireless
[07:39] <pwuertz> why not use ext3?
[07:40] <pwuertz> is there a reason for choosing ext2 over ext3?
[07:41] <DanaG> Yay, I love how Firewire has DMA.
[07:41] <DanaG> Biiiiiig difference in CPU usage.
[07:41] <DanaG> USB 2.0 sucks.
[07:42] <DanaG> Along with the thing of sudo versus gksu/gksudo, I prefer aptitude over apt-get.
[07:43] <_ruben> fr500: JeOS
[07:43] <JohnPhys> DanaG:  yeah, but I think synaptic uses apt-get, and mixing aptitude and apt-get isn't the best thing, iirc.  They don't track each other's dependencies.
[07:43] <Plantain> Do I have to use updatemanager -d to do that Hardy upgrade? Can I no longer just edit sources.list and replace gutsy with hardy?
[07:43] <_ruben> (just enough os)
[07:44] <JohnPhys> Plantain:  I don't think it's *ever* a good idea to just do that, as there are a lot of packages that need to be removed, config files changed, etc., that I think the updatemanager handles.
[07:44] <DanaG> I use aptitude almost exclusively.
[07:44] <DanaG> For dist-upgrading, it takes quite a bit of wrangling, though.
[07:45] <Plantain> JohnPhys: Do you know of any way I can specify the mirrors it uses then? update-manager wants to download 1.2GB, which will take days from the US Ubuntu mirror :/
[07:45] <Birmaan> morning
[07:45] <DanaG> That thing it'll do from sources.list, won't it?
[07:46] <Plantain> DanaG: It rewrites that with US Mirrors :/.
[07:46] <DanaG> I'd call that trampling.
[07:46] <DanaG> What happens if you have additional custom mirrors?
[07:47] <Plantain> It disables them
[07:49] <DanaG> Any of you use simple-backup?
[07:49] <DanaG> Does it do hardlinks for incremental backups?
[07:53] <Lynoure> DanaG: I'm a dirvish fan myself
[07:53] <DanaG> Dirvish?
[07:54] <Lynoure> Can you rephrase the question? I have problem understanding one word questions
[07:54] <JohnPhys> DanaG:  I've  tried, but have never been able to get it to work
[07:55] <Lynoure> DanaG: or, I can take a wild shot: "Yes, really, Dirvish" or "it's a rsync based system for hardlinked incremental backups"
[07:55] <JohnPhys> Plantain:  I think it just uses the mirrors in your sources.list file, actually
[07:55] <jbroome> DanaG: from the webpage:  Sbackup doesn’t create a new backup file each time it runs and it creates an incremental backup.
[07:56] <Plantain> JohnPhys: It pops up with an error complaining that my mirrors don't work, then rewrites them
[07:57] <JohnPhys> hmm....are the mirrors you are specifying functioning?  do they actually have hardy?
[07:57] <DanaG> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeVault
[07:58] <DanaG> I like what "faubackup" does, but I'd like something more automatic, and less obtrusive.
[07:59] <Lynoure> DanaG: what I use is nightly-automatic, non obstrusive. But one could automate faubackup too, I think
[08:01] <Lynoure> Gone now, I think I'm in his ignore or something.
[08:03] <DanaG> I'm still here.
[08:04] <spiniker> hello how can i adjust screen resolution on hardy,im stuck with 800x600 screen,i was wondering if i could increase it..im using an hp laptop
[08:04] <cptflee> Dana, isnt it woman's name?
[08:04] <DanaG> Yeah, but I'm a guy.  The name is sort of both, actually.
[08:05] <jbroome> !tell spiniker about resolution
[08:05] <_ruben> dana international was sort both as well </ot>
[08:05] <cptflee> lol
[08:05] <_ruben> +of
[08:06] <spiniker> yes jbroome?
[08:06] <spiniker> can u help me?
[08:06] <jbroome> !resolution
[08:06] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:09] <DanaG> Worst thing about having a new big hard drive: deciding how to partition it.  Damn 3 OSes: OS X, Windows, and Linux -- there's no "one filesystem to rule them all"
[08:10] <DanaG> Thus, I have to decide how much space to use for each partition.
[08:10] <DanaG> And then I just realized I hadn't accounted for my random-stuff partition on another hard drive.
[08:10] <hischild_> and you could start all over again? :p
[08:11] <jbroome> I didn't give my win partition enough space when i set it up.  I had no idea Steam used so much space
[08:11] <DanaG> Well, luckily, I haven't backed up anything onto it yet, so all I'd have to redo is finding the partition sizes.
[08:11] <cptflee> i have 3 hdds, ussualy use 1st 30 gb for OSes
[08:11] <cptflee> rest for data
[08:11] <DanaG> Internal drive:  200 GB:  5.25 recovery partition, 30 OS X, 90 Vista, 60 Hardy.
[08:12] <cptflee> dont use many partitions, it fragment data a lot
[08:12] <DanaG> Well, what filesystems out there can do this:
[08:12] <DanaG> hardlink, files over 4GB, readable and writable by ALL 3 OSes. ?
[08:12] <cptflee> can osx access ntfs or ext3?
[08:12] <jbroome> oof.  HFS+ is the sticker
[08:13] <cptflee> you may try installing third party driver also
[08:13] <DanaG> Hmm, I'd have to get MacDrive... but it might be worth it... as long as it does removable drives and can replicate permissions.
[08:13] <DanaG> Oh, but then I wouldn't be able to use the built-in restore thingy on the Vista DVD.
[08:13] <orvokki> Hmm, iirc OS X can r NTFS and r/w ext3 but can't format either.
[08:14] <cptflee> so windows can do ext3 too
[08:14] <DanaG> Yeah, but if it's uncleanly unmounted, it wants to format the partition, instead of making it RO.
[08:14] <DanaG> That's stupid.
[08:15] <orvokki> Windows can only do ext3 with a special driver and some consider those unstable.
[08:16] <cptflee> FAT32?
[08:16] <DanaG> No hardlinks, no files above 4GB, and it's prone to random "OH hey, a hole!  Let's truncate!"
[08:16] <JohnPhys> fat32 can't handle files over 4GB
[08:16] <cptflee> mm not for big hdds probably
[08:17] <jbroome> fat32 can DIAF
[08:17] <jbroome> obviously the solution is to get a big 'ole PowerMac and run vista/hardy in parallels. :)
[08:17] <jbroome> err, macpro.  sorry
[08:18] <DanaG> Can it run HL2?
[08:18] <jbroome> Hum, bootcamp vista then.
[08:18] <cptflee> http://gentoo-wiki.com/Ext3_in_windows
[08:19] <DanaG> That won't work on the boot DVD.
[08:19] <jbroome> then you're fooked
[08:19] <orvokki> DanaG: Heh, even Linux can run HL2. ;>
[08:19] <gatestone> How do I make gnome-terminal open full screen be default?
[08:20] <DanaG> Not through PulseAudio, though.
[08:20] <cptflee> orvokki: with half performance of windows? and bugs probably
[08:20] <DanaG> Wine + PulseAudio == no worky.
[08:20] <orvokki> cptflee: Eh, Wine is about as fast as Windows when it works usually.
[08:20] <orvokki> Sometimes slower, sometimes faster.
[08:20] <DanaG> And Creative's "Host OpenAL" (host-based OpenAL with EAX) doesn't work under Wine, even though it's just a few DLL files.
[08:20] <cptflee> orvokki: wrong
[08:21] <cptflee> orvokki: this not applies to direct3d-opengl translation
[08:21] <jbroome> gatestone: there's a --geometry switch to gnome-terminal.  Using that in the shortcut to terminal should get you what you're looking for
[08:21]  * DanaG loves having a Hitachi 7K200-200 in his laptop.
[08:22] <DanaG> Best thing I've done with it: boot Ultimate Boot CD, run Hitachi Feature Tool, and set APM to something like 200, with it being a PERSISTENT setting.
[08:22] <orvokki> cptflee: Compiz has so far been the more significant reduction in performance though.
[08:22] <gatestone> jbroome, thx, I'll do that but I'd like to that be saved to gnome-terminal profile...
[08:22] <cptflee> orvokki: how compiz relate to wine?
[08:23] <orvokki> cptflee: When Compiz is running, all OpenGL rendering goes through Compiz.
[08:23] <orvokki> Thus all OpenGL applications and games turn slower.
[08:23] <cptflee> orvokki: running wine with compiz enabled not recommended
[08:23]  * DanaG currently only has 128MB of VRAM.
[08:24] <orvokki> cptflee: Yes. Most Ubuntu users probably still does it though since Ubuntu has Compiz Fusion on by default. ;>
[08:24] <cptflee> "Don't use Compiz or KDE composite with Wine" from #wine topic
[08:25] <hischild_> funny
[08:25] <hischild_> i never have a problem with it
[08:25] <DanaG> Wine doesn't work for me, because I insist on running stuff through PulseAudio.
[08:25] <Zvezdichko> what if you use kde4
[08:25] <cptflee> orvokki: 3dmark06, vista 8099, wine 2111
[08:25] <ubotu> Wine bug 2111 in -unknown "Microchip MPLAB 5.70 dialogs doesnt work" [Normal,Closed: abandoned] http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2111
[08:25] <Zvezdichko> Kwin should be the default
[08:25] <orvokki> hischild_: It's a performance issue at the very least and it's known to trigger some bugs in the past.
[08:25] <jbroome> speaking of compiz, i'm getting a "The Composite extension is not available" error when i bump up the visual effects.  I should probably track that down in my xorg.conf
[08:26] <orvokki> DanaG: Well, yeah. PulseAudio is also not recommended because of sound latency issues.
[08:26] <orvokki> (Possible sound latency issues anyway)
[08:26] <hischild_> orvokki: what's the alternative?metacity? because i experience no difference between the 2
[08:27] <orvokki> hischild_: Did you completely disable Composite from xorg.conf?
[08:27] <cptflee> hischild_: i even cant run native linux opengl apps correcly with compiz enabled
[08:27] <hischild_> cptflee: ati?
[08:27] <zniavre> hello
[08:27] <hischild_> orvokki: no
[08:27] <cptflee> cptflee: nvidia
[08:27] <hischild_> cptflee: odd
[08:28] <zniavre> i wondering wich tool got the truth for my screen resolution >http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/2195/hardy1ri7.jpg
[08:28]  * DanaG hopes ATI will be decent enough to switch to, by the end of June.
[08:28] <orvokki> hischild_: Did you kill compiz off altogether so it's not running in the background?
[08:28] <DanaG> I'm so sick of nvidia issues (Windows AND Linux).
[08:28] <cptflee> DanaG: welcome to ati issues
[08:28] <DanaG> And I want to support a company that (now) supports open-source.
[08:28] <cptflee> ;)
[08:28] <hischild_> orvokki: i switched by executing metacity --replace ...
[08:29] <orvokki> DanaG: *shrug* I've heard claims that Xorg devs like Intel drivers the most.
[08:29] <cptflee> i hope larabree will be good
[08:29] <cptflee> larrabee
[08:30] <orvokki> hischild_: Heh, I wouldn't personally trust on that without seeing it actually shut down the Compiz process.
[08:30] <hischild_> orvokki: i can understand from your point of view ... yet for me it still works like a charm :-) (both on an 7000M and 8600 GT)
[08:31] <orvokki> Right. It works for me too and I accept possible performance loss since it's not noticeable for me currently.
[08:32] <orvokki> But that doesn't mean there isn't any. :)
[08:32] <orvokki> It just goes to the benchmarking area.
[08:33] <orvokki> Even the claimed 15% performance loss isn't really significant for older games.
[08:34] <hischild_> orvokki: i never experienced even a single percent loss .... tbh wine runs games better for me then windows would .... for example audiosurf ....
[08:34] <sintacto> bash fonts are messed up after upgrade
[08:34] <DanaG> Heh, I had divided up my space according to proportions on my two partitions -- but then I realized that:  oops, I forgot about my 178.52GiB of random stuff.
[08:34] <DanaG> I should probably go through that random stuff some time and weed out what I'll likely never use again.
[08:34] <sintacto> some letters are touching eachother
[08:34] <cptflee> hischild_: try benchmark Oblivion
[08:34] <cptflee> you will be surprised
[08:35] <hischild_> cptflee: never tried the game ... dont have it either :P
[08:35] <cptflee> hischild_: its best
[08:35] <sintacto> i am a bot
[08:35] <sintacto> ignore me
[08:35] <DanaG> I'll have to boot Windows to do that; I'd rather go to bed for now, for tonight.
[08:35] <hischild_> cptflee: the game? it's not really my style
[08:36] <cptflee> hischild_: what you play than? casual gamer?
[08:36] <sintacto> games are for kids
[08:36] <DanaG> so says you.
[08:36] <DanaG> Other people may disagree.
[08:36] <sintacto> me
[08:36] <hischild_> cptflee: hardcore fps gamer ... windows only though (sourceforts mainly, mod of hl2dm)
[08:36] <sintacto> chess?
[08:37] <orvokki> Chess is for computers. :P
[08:37] <DanaG> Oh yeah, garry's mod pulls in essentially ALL Source stuff you own.
[08:37] <cptflee> hischild_: hardcore fps? then i can recommend rainbow six vegas
[08:37] <DanaG> it takes a quantifier-that-sounds-very-large-and-contains-at-least-one-swear-word of hard drive space.
[08:37] <hischild_> cptflee: i've heard about the game, yet never played it. Been to much occupied with my own game :P
[08:38] <cptflee> hischild_: dunno how you may call you hardcore gamer, even dont know about most popular games
[08:38] <hischild_> DanaG: i know. Steam itself hits 20 Gb+
[08:38] <orvokki> Whoa.
[08:38] <sintacto> hard core!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:38] <orvokki> Well, luckily hard disk space is cheap nowadays.
[08:39] <sintacto> rock on dudes
[08:39] <cptflee> i mean not played
[08:39] <DanaG> Viva la 200GB 7200RPM notebook drive!
[08:39] <orvokki> ^^
[08:39] <sintacto> viva!
[08:39] <hischild_> cptflee: hardcore isn't defined by how many games you know, but how much hour and skill you put into it ...
[08:39] <sintacto> hardcore = no friends
[08:39] <orvokki> DanaG: I buy 500GB drives myself nowadays. They seem to have the best space/price ratio.
[08:39] <DanaG> Lately I haven't been able to play games.  I've been getting hard lockups.
[08:40] <cptflee> hischild_: do you play Urban Terror? other popular linux games
[08:40] <hischild_> sintacto: if you think so, then so be it =)
[08:40] <DanaG> 7200RPM?  Notebook?
[08:40] <orvokki> Buy an external one? ;>
[08:40] <hischild_> cptflee: i only made the switch about a month ago, my games still are on windows .... thus no
[08:40] <DanaG> Anything that causes heavy GPU and heavy disk activity tends to cause hard-lockups on my computer.
[08:40] <DanaG> That makes it even harder to decide how to split up the partitions.
[08:40] <hischild_> cptflee: if you can recommend some, i'd appriciate it
[08:41] <sintacto> off topic
[08:41] <cptflee> hischild_: actually Urban Terror is cross-platform, quake2/counter strike mix, very addicting. also alienarena, world of padman...
[08:41] <DanaG> Now I have 3 OSes to back up, one recovery partition (Firefox profile, which won't need snapshots), and a huge amount of space for media and games.
[08:41] <sintacto> try #hardcoregamer
[08:41] <hischild_> cptflee: let me look into those.
[08:42]  * orvokki makes a mental note about Urban Terror
[08:42] <DanaG> Too many things to back up!
[08:42] <hischild_> DanaG: get a new HD
[08:42] <DanaG> No "One filesystem to rule them all" !
[08:42] <DanaG> I just DID.
[08:42] <DanaG> That's why I'm having issues deciding how to partition.... the NEW one!
[08:42] <hischild_> hehe good luck ;)
[08:42] <sintacto> $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
[08:42] <DanaG> 698.86GB.
[08:42] <sintacto> $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
[08:42] <DanaG> £££££££££££££¤
[08:43] <DanaG> €€€€€€€€€€€
[08:43] <DanaG> ¢¢¢¢¢¢¢¢
[08:43] <DanaG> Sorry, I just HaaaaAAd to do that.
[08:43] <orvokki> C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!
[08:43] <orvokki> Sorry. :P
[08:43] <DanaG> £€€T.
[08:43] <cptflee> DanaG: may you benchmark it for me? sudo hdparm -tT /dev/whatever
[08:44] <DanaG> "My Book Home" -- on FW400.
[08:44] <DanaG>  Timing cached reads:   2252 MB in  2.00 seconds = 1126.90 MB/sec
[08:44] <DanaG>  Timing buffered disk reads:  112 MB in  3.03 seconds =  36.99 MB/sec
[08:45] <cptflee> something is wrong
[08:45] <cptflee> my segate 750 gb is doing 75 MB/sec
[08:45] <DanaG> Firewire 400?
[08:45] <cptflee> mmm no
[08:45] <cptflee> sata 2
[08:45] <DanaG> aah.
[08:48] <DanaG> I just un-partitioned the drive, so I can re-decide later how to divide the space.
[08:48] <cptflee> FireWire 400 can transfer data between devices at 100, 200, or 400 Mbit/s half-duplex data rates (the actual transfer rates are 98.304, 196.608, and 393.216 Mbit/s, i.e. 12.288, 24.576 and 49.152 megabytes per second respectively)
[08:48] <DanaG> But first, I need to weed out stuff I'll never use again.
[08:48] <cptflee> 49 MB/sec
[08:48] <_ruben> use lvm .. you can easily repartition when needed
[08:48] <DanaG> Umm, lvm for ntfs?  for hfs+ ?
[08:48] <DanaG> Nope.
[08:50] <DanaG> Heh, for some reason, gparted is using 128 sectors (64.00 KiB) blocks for resizing my ntfs.
[08:50] <DanaG> That's rather slow.
[08:53]  * DanaG wishes somebody would force hard drive manufacturers to at least mark GiB sizes.
[08:53] <DanaG> 750 → 698.81
[08:54] <Wobbo> is the ubuntu-human murine theme in it's definitive stage?
[08:54] <DanaG> (750-698.81) / 750 == 6.83%.
[08:56]  * DanaG is is £€€T.
[08:56] <DanaG> Sure beets just digits --- oops, "beets".
[08:56] <DanaG> heh.
[08:57] <DanaG> Dang, now I'm hungry.
[08:57] <_ruben> gotta love marketing ..
[08:58] <cptflee> its not marketing, they probably always used 2*10 system
[08:58] <DanaG> Everything else under the sun uses binary, though.
[08:58] <cptflee> no, ISPs use decimal too
[08:58] <_ruben> got the same "issue" on my raid arrays .. 6x200GB (raid5) = 960GB .. 6x250GB (raid5) = 1.2TB :/
[08:58] <DanaG> YOu don't see 1GB == 0.977GiB DIMMs, do you?
[08:59] <cptflee> 100 Mbit is decimal
[08:59] <_ruben> OS's use binary .. manufacturers use decimal .. hence marketing .. hence profit
[08:59] <cptflee> this is OS problem not conforming to standarts
[08:59]  * DanaG once remembers having a 1.4 MB file and cursing floppy drives for only being 1.38MB.
[09:00] <cptflee> 1 GB = 1000 MB
[09:00] <Trewas> DanaG: that's exactly the reason why every program and device should be using si-based units, so there is no ambiguity whether 4500MB will fit to 4.7GB DVD and so on
[09:01] <DanaG> Okay, do you want a 976.56MB DIMM?
[09:01] <cptflee> 1 GiB will be ok
[09:01] <DanaG> MiB.
[09:01] <_ruben> cptflee: sure .. since i highly doubt disk manafucturers are trying to force the os writers to change their implementation, i do believe they conform to the standards from a marketing perspective
[09:02] <orvokki> I'd actually prefer base 2 for all computer-related stuff.
[09:02] <DanaG> I do, too.
[09:02] <DanaG> And why do ISPs use bits when files and memory and hard drive space and everything else uses bytes?
[09:02] <DanaG> Oh, to sound better.
[09:02] <Trewas> MiB/GiB units are fine where the device really is "binary-sized", but for mass-media etc they are not
[09:02] <DanaG> 3 megabits sounds better than 384 megabytes.
[09:03] <DanaG> er
[09:03] <DanaG> kilobytes on the latter.
[09:03] <DanaG> So, they should've been forced to make devices binary-sized.
[09:03] <DanaG> That seems better to me.
[09:03] <DanaG> Or at least, market them in those units, so it sounds better to use binary sizes.
[09:03] <Trewas> no, because with binary units you have to whip up a calculator to do conversions between units, which is very user-unfriendly
[09:04] <DanaG> At least then perhaps my 750GB drive would be 700GiB, not 698.86.
[09:04] <DanaG> That's a really annoying number to deal with.
[09:04] <cptflee> lol
[09:04] <DanaG> 1.14 GiB difference.
[09:04] <jbroome> yeah, my 500 gb drive is really 459.
[09:05] <DanaG> po459.something_ugly, I bet.
[09:05] <DanaG> er.
[09:05] <cptflee> my hdd is ok, 750 GB as advertised
[09:05] <cptflee> ;/
[09:05] <orvokki> I personally find it logical that kilo is 2^10, mega is 2^20 etc.
[09:05] <tanner> GB != GiB
[09:05] <orvokki> Erm.
[09:06] <orvokki> Dammit, should not think while being morning tired.
[09:06] <orvokki> Anyway, they follow that route.
[09:06] <DanaG> Heh, you know you're nerdy when you spend time debating units.
[09:06]  * tanner should not try to think while outstandingly bored
[09:06] <jbroome> yeah, it's 4am here, i'm going to bed
[09:06] <orvokki> And yeah, I did mean what I said.
[09:06] <DanaG> 1:06 AM here.
[09:06] <tanner> DanaG: where abouts?
[09:06] <DanaG> Pacific timezone.
[09:06] <tanner> erm, that was obvious
[09:07] <DanaG> Oh yeah, gparted uses GiB but marks them as GB.
[09:07] <DanaG> Lame.
[09:07] <Dusti[n]> any idea why my sound isnt working now that i upgraded to hardy?
[09:07] <tanner> DanaG: what state do you live in
[09:07] <tanner> or perhaps BC?
[09:07] <DanaG> CA.
[09:07] <orvokki> Dusti[n]: Which program or all?
[09:07] <DanaG> Oh, and is 1 GB == 1000 MB * 1024 MB/KB?
[09:07] <DanaG> or is the latter thing 1000?
[09:08] <DanaG> Another layer of confusion.
[09:08] <tanner> yes, 1k
[09:08] <orvokki> DanaG: It would all be simple if 1 GB == 2^30 B.
[09:08] <DanaG> er, 1000 MB / GB * 1024 KB / MB
[09:08] <tanner> 1000*1000
[09:09] <orvokki> 1 TB == 2^40 B etc.
[09:09] <tanner> 1 GB is equal to 1000 megabytes
[09:09] <DanaG> 750 GB * (1000/1024)^3 = 698.49.  That's not 698.86!
[09:10] <warren_> hi
[09:10] <DanaG> 750 GB * (1000/1024)^2 = 715.26.
[09:10] <DanaG> Fine, market stuff in GB, but for god's sake, round the ACTUAL thing to something nice and not ugly.
[09:10] <cptflee> DanaG: weird
[09:10] <warren_> i tried kubuntu hardy and find it quite better than gutsy but i couldn't get my nvidia geforce 7600GT to work
[09:11] <DanaG> Just adding 1.2 GiB to the thing... too much to ask?
[09:11] <orvokki> warren_: Which CPU?
[09:11] <warren_> i saw first you can't install it automatically :( so i installed the nvidia-glx package
[09:11] <warren_> pentium 4
[09:11] <orvokki> Or rather, is it i386 or x86_64?
[09:11] <warren_> but that doesn't matter?
[09:11] <warren_> i386
[09:11] <orvokki> Might. I think x86_64 nvidia kernel modules are broken.
[09:12] <warren_> it is i386
[09:12] <orvokki> Right, can't be that then.
[09:12] <warren_> glxinfo | grep rendering  :
[09:12] <warren_> extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:12] <orvokki> You're likely having nv driver now then instead of nvidia?
[09:12] <warren_> Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual
[09:12] <cptflee> so you installed driver, you enabled it?
[09:13] <warren_> erm
[09:13] <warren_> i simply installed nvidia-glx
[09:13] <orvokki> Since nv driver would give that kind of info.
[09:13] <warren_> doesn't the package configure itself?
[09:13] <cptflee> last time i checked you also should enable it with nvidia-xconfig
[09:13] <warren_> ok
[09:14] <DanaG> Bedtime for me now.
[09:14] <cptflee> but i think you should get nvidia-glx-new
[09:14] <cptflee> this one probably auto enable itslef
[09:14] <warren_> ok
[09:14] <cptflee> itself
[09:14] <warren_> did a nvidia-xconfig
[09:14] <warren_> will login again
[09:14] <warren_> thanks
[09:14] <orvokki> Yeah, you should use nvidia-glx-new if it works for your card.
[09:15] <DanaG> Oh hey, did you know nvidia has on-demand vblank interrupts?
[09:15] <DanaG> You just have to manually enable it in xorg.conf.
[09:15] <orvokki> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix Hey, cool. A wikipedia article of what we were talking about. ;>
[09:16] <cptflee> yeah manually enabling driver is better, xconfig messes with xorg.conf too much
[09:18] <orvokki> Right, so part of the confusion apparently might be because some of the early computers used binary addressing and some decimal addressing...
[09:22] <orvokki> The situation was clarified in January 1999 with the introduction of kiB and so. k is now never binary, ki is. Right, nice to have that cleared out.
[09:22] <AnswerGuy> Will someone please tell me how to customize the LiveCD so that a terminal icon appears on the top panel (next to, or even instead of the evolution launcher)?
[09:23] <AnswerGuy> I've played with gconftool-2 'til my eyes are bleeding and I can never find where the help the thing is being kept!
[09:24] <AnswerGuy> orvokki I heard that KiB was for decimal "kilobytes" and that K was for binary
[09:24] <AnswerGuy> Likewise for MiB and GiB vs. MB and GB
[09:24] <orvokki> 'In January 1999, the International Electrotechnical Commission introduced the prefixes kibi-(Kibibyte), mebi-, gibi-, etc., and the symbols Ki, Mi, Gi, etc. to specify binary multiples of a quantity and eliminate this ambiguity.[19] The names for the new standard are derived from the first two letters of the original SI prefixes followed by bi, short for "binary".'
[09:25] <AnswerGuy> Wonderful.  Glad they cleared that up for us.   NOT
[09:25] <orvokki> kibibyte == kiB == binary
[09:26] <AnswerGuy> That ignored 30 years of prior usage among computer professional (with regard to kilobyte, megabyte, etc.
[09:26] <orvokki> Actually wrong. Before both meanings were just as accepted.
[09:26] <orvokki> The former meaning was that MB is can be both binary and decimal.
[09:26] <orvokki> Now it at least means one thing.
[09:27] <AnswerGuy> Well, it was common knowlege that memory was measured in binary KB while disks and tapes were measured in "rounded off" (decimal) MB, GB, etc.
[09:27] <AnswerGuy> No, it doesn't mean just one thing.
[09:27] <warren_> hi again works
[09:27] <fraroco> hello everybody. I've installed hardy. I changed the screen and graphics setup for my laptop and I did it bad. how can I know what the correct resolution I should have chosen next time?
[09:27] <orvokki> Yes, it does. M is always SI mega.
[09:28] <warren_> has someone seen that in kubuntu gdebi-kde is unabl to install a package?
[09:28] <AnswerGuy> It means that *maybe* the guy who's talking to you is following one convention, or the other, or is confused by what KiB and MiB is supposed to mean.
[09:28] <orvokki> :P
[09:28] <orvokki> Well, true.
[09:28] <AnswerGuy> orvokki That's nice of them to declare that --- but it doesn't actually change the meaning in any practical way.
[09:29] <orvokki> AnswerGuy: Though "common knowledge" is a bit of a tricky thing. What if one manufacturer decides it's beneficial for them to use the different one?
[09:29] <AnswerGuy> So does anyone here know how to get gconftool-2 to add something to your default top panel for new accounts (like when booting the LiveCD and it creates the ubuntu desktop?
[09:29] <orvokki> Also addressing was either binary or decimal in early computers depending on the particular computer. ;>
[09:30] <orvokki> And no, I wouldn't.
[09:31] <AnswerGuy> Well for small numbers of Megabytes the round off between binary and decimal was pretty inconsequenctial
[09:31] <visik7> hi, does the new version of rhythmbox comein' with Hardy has support for some kind of mp3 portable player ??
[09:31] <AnswerGuy> inconsequential even
[09:31] <AnswerGuy> When you get up towards a TB then it gets  to irritating consumers.
[09:32]  * AnswerGuy things gconf is the result of a Microsoft plot!!!
[09:32] <orvokki> *shrug* That's why terms shouldn't have been made ambiguous in the first place.
[09:32]  * AnswerGuy thinks even!!!
[09:41] <twb> Is there a reason xulrunner is 1.8 but xulrunner-1.9 is (obviously) 1.9, both in hardy?
[09:41] <twb> I'd have thought the former would become a dummy package for the latter.
[09:43] <warren_> To all Kubuntu users, can someone read this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdebi/+bug/209578 and report if they have the same problem?
[09:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 209578 in gdebi "gdebi-kde crashes with an memory allocation error" [Undecided,New]
[09:49] <robotjox> did something change in todays xserver-update? compiz isn't working for me
[09:49] <loa> Zvezdichko, what about our video bug?
[09:50] <loa> Have someone rendering bug with intel video card?
[09:50] <Zvezdichko> don't know, I just got up
[09:50] <Zvezdichko> :)
[09:50] <loa> good morning)
[09:52] <Zvezdichko> hmm, good morning, loa
[09:52] <Zvezdichko> where are you from ;)
[09:52] <Zvezdichko> that you are here so early :)
[09:52] <loa> Russia)
[09:52] <Zvezdichko> ochen horosho, though I don't speak russian
[09:52] <loa> Moscow
[09:52] <Zvezdichko> I'm from Bulgaria
[09:52] <loa> hehehe
[09:53] <Zvezdichko> I'd like to see Moscow, especially the Krasny Ploshad
[09:53] <Zvezdichko> :)
[09:59] <papodaca> meh im in the good ol USA
[09:59] <loa> =)
[10:00] <loa> Zvezdichko, i add mesa to our bug.
[10:00] <Zvezdichko> I saw this :)
[10:00] <loa> I try to build intel driver from git.
[10:01] <Zvezdichko> that's good
[10:01] <Zvezdichko> I prefer waiting
[10:02] <loa> xf86-video-intel it is 2d driver (
[10:02] <loa> we are lamerz))
[10:03] <Zvezdichko> we may be, but we have to point out as much information as we can so they can make a fix
[10:12] <Lunks> How to compile nvidia kernel module into kernel source I'm compiling?
[10:13] <Lunks> I've got kernel_source from repo and nvidia...sh from nvidia
[10:13] <Lunks> already did ./NVIDIA... --extract-only
[10:13] <Lunks> but dunno what to do.
[10:16] <hischild> Lunks: why are you compiling it? why not use the normal restricted one?
[10:16] <Lunks> hischild: got used to it. :>
[10:16] <Lunks> plus I wanna learn ;)
[10:17] <Lunks> Already know how to compile kernel using make-kpkg, but have no idea what to do with nvidia kernel driver =\
[10:17] <Smegzor> Since upgrading, I can try to change my wallpaper and I see the change in gconf-editor, but wallpaper on my desktop does not change until I restart X.  Whats going on and how do I fix/diagnose it?
[10:24] <Wobbo> Does the new evolution Gmail callendar feature allow read AND write?
[10:24] <Smegzor> Also I've lost the ability to manage shared folders (from the pop-up menu and from the system menu).  I tried adding it back to the system menu but after it gets my password, a lot of nothing happens.  I first noticed these missing after a Samba update, but that could be coincidence.  How do I fix that?
[10:24] <Wobbo> gmail as in google oops!
[10:26] <loa> Hello friends, is someone here who have problems with rendering on intel cards.
[10:26] <loa> Zvezdichko, your kernel is from rep?
[10:27] <Zvezdichko> loa: yep
[10:27] <loa> ok.
[10:30] <loa> Zvezdichko, kate /var/log/Xorg.0.log attach it to our bug report.
[11:09] <loa> Zvezdichko, https://bugs.launchpad.net/mesa/+bug/199823
[11:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199823 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[Hardy] Blender's 3D viewport grid looks strange " [Low,Confirmed]
[11:09] <loa> let's downgrade =)
[11:10] <Zvezdichko> Wowww
[11:10] <Zvezdichko> how did you find this
[11:11] <loa> look at mesa bug reports.
[11:12] <Zvezdichko> I have to merge both bugs
[11:12] <Zvezdichko> I mean, I have to make them duplicate
[11:12] <Zvezdichko> do you know how
[11:13] <loa> Zvezdichko, nop.
[11:13] <Zvezdichko> Found it
[11:13] <Zvezdichko> marked it as duplicate
[11:13] <loa> good.
[11:14] <loa> how i can downgrade packet in hardy from gutsy?
[11:15] <Zvezdichko> maybe manually, with dpkd -i
[11:15] <vistakiller> i see tha they have upload new linux header 2.24.13
[11:15] <vistakiller> why i dont have update?
[11:16] <loa> Zvezdichko, where i can get this packet?
[11:16] <Zvezdichko> not sure, maybe you should look into the repos of Gutsy, google them
[11:17] <loa> yeah =)
[11:17] <Zvezdichko> I have, however, another bug for reporting
[11:17] <vistakiller> anyone know?
[11:17] <vistakiller> i need to update my kernel manual?
[11:17] <Zvezdichko> Deadly Shadows fan joined here!
[11:19] <vistakiller> anyone else has get the kernel update?
[11:19] <Zvezdichko> nope
[11:20] <vistakiller> i have see now the new version
[11:20] <vistakiller> i have to update manual or i have to wait?
[11:21] <mzuverink> I have a RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet card, it works fine when running the 32 bit desktop cd but not the 64.  Is that not supported in 64 bit yet or is it just a live cd issue?
[11:21] <loa> 64 is buggy.
[11:22] <Zvezdichko> I still don't have a 64 machine :(
[11:22] <Zvezdichko> but does it matter
[11:22] <visik7> mzuverink: RTL8111/8168B same card here 64bit
[11:23] <mzuverink> visik7, does that work for you in 64?
[11:23] <visik7> yes
[11:23] <visik7> I'm using it right now
[11:23] <visik7> mzuverink: mmm but on gutsy not hardy
[11:23] <visik7> mzuverink: but I've tested it too on hardy yesterday
[11:24] <visik7> and was working
[11:24] <visik7> I don't see any kernel upgrade so should still work
[11:24] <mzuverink> visik7, mine works fine on gutsy, but is not detected in hardy
[11:25] <laTraviata> has anyone tried to do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg on hardy? i'm not asked for the graphic cards there, how it used to be...?
[11:27] <vistakiller> i have try
[11:27] <kuil> laTraviata: as far as I understand it tries to find the card automatically (at runtime)
[11:27] <loa> Zvezdichko, i can give you links to debs =)
[11:27] <loa> Wait i try them.
[11:27] <vistakiller> you can fix with this only the keyboard and the mouse bit not anymore the gpu and resolution
[11:28] <laTraviata> so how can i fix the gpu and resolution now?
[11:29] <vistakiller> with the tool screen and graphics
[11:31] <laTraviata> ah well...i don't have a standard installation so how is that package called? :) although that sound like a x-program....i hope they havent replaced the console way by an xserver-way only....
[11:32] <vistakiller> laTraviata there is no console way anymore
[11:32] <vistakiller> this is very bad
[11:32] <laTraviata> lol you are kidding?
[11:32] <vistakiller> you can fix your xorg.conf
[11:32] <vistakiller> with nano and edit the file
[11:33] <vistakiller> but you cant reconfigure your xserver with the old way
[11:33] <orvokki> laTraviata: The X is supposed to be idiot-proof nowadays. It will start and then you reconfigure a broken xorg.conf via graphical tools.
[11:33] <orvokki> BulletproofX or whatever.
[11:33] <vistakiller> when you go now to recovery mode there is a screen and it say to auto fox xserver
[11:34] <laTraviata> the point is that it doesnt work anymore. no of my gpus (nvidia + intel) is detected. yeah bulletproof....vesa does work but the rest doesnt...argh
[11:34] <orvokki> laTraviata: Well, try choosing the GPU while in graphical?
[11:34] <vistakiller> i have the same problem i cant install nvidia drive with driver manager
[11:34] <vistakiller> and finally i install them with envy
[11:35] <orvokki> vistakiller: i386 or x86_64?
[11:35] <laTraviata> i would, if i knew the name of the package....?
[11:35] <vistakiller> generic 386
[11:35] <orvokki> Meh!
[11:35] <orvokki> No one seems to have the same problem as I...
[11:35] <vistakiller> the package is the nvidia-glx-new
[11:36] <vistakiller> but i try to install it manual but nothing happens
[11:36] <vistakiller> i dont know but here in kubuntu the driver manager programme is break
[11:37] <laTraviata> i mean what is the name of this graphical xserver configuration tool package? i have xfce installed and there is no such program as far as i know...
[11:37] <vistakiller> is not recognize my card and that i need a driver
[11:37] <vistakiller> i think exist in xubuntu one programme let me see in vb
[11:38] <windosor> hi i'm just to install ubuntu after 15min waithing to install / load something called ''busybox v1.13'' comes up (intitramfs)? what should i do?
[11:39] <vistakiller> laTraviata i have in my xubuntu this programme
[11:39] <laTraviata> how is it called? soounds and graphics?
[11:40] <vistakiller> Screens and graphics
[11:40] <laTraviata> hm...i have only xfce4 installed and not xubuntu-desktop. maybe it is not a dependency of that.
[11:41] <vistakiller> i dont know but i have this tool in clean install
[11:42] <laTraviata> argh...i need the name of the package =) i cant find it on packages.ubuntu.com...
[11:43] <laTraviata> ok, it is called dislpayconfig-gtk
[11:43] <compwiz18> !hardy
[11:43] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[11:51] <vallhalla81> i keep getting a system freeze and i cant work out why can any one throw some sugestions at me
[11:52] <dns53> what are you doing? compiz can mess things up
[11:52] <vallhalla81> Add: int temp all ok ,driver all corect
[11:53] <hischild> vallhalla81: how about hardware issues?
[11:53] <vallhalla81> well some timesit is when browsing the net but some times when just playing music
[11:53] <laTraviata> lol - i really appreciate any effort taken to ease the configuration part, but killing the console way is suicidal. :( i bet that this won't be fixed in time for the final release...but let's see...
[11:54] <dns53> out of disk space? bad ram? bad drivers?
[11:54] <vallhalla81> hw is all new and suported
[11:54] <vallhalla81> i can pastbin the out put of lshw if you like
[11:54] <Ng> anything in the logs? have you run memtest overnight?
[11:54] <dns53> how new? it can take a few months for some extreemly new hardware to get drivers
[11:55] <vallhalla81> new purchase not new out sorry
[11:57] <vallhalla81> !pastbin
[11:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pastbin - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:57] <vallhalla81> !paste
[11:57] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[11:58] <vallhalla81> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61731/
[11:59] <vallhalla81> Ng:memtest?
[11:59] <savvas> vallhalla81: rhythmbox for music? I get it sometimes, but couldn't reproduce it this past week, have you updated? try clearing/removing your ~/.gnome2/rhythmbox/ directory and re-import your preferences
[12:00] <Ng> vallhalla81: install the memtest86+ package and you'll get a new option in the boot menu to run memtest. leave it going for a few hours and it will thoroughly test all the RAM (bad RAM is a common cause of random crashes)
[12:01] <vallhalla81> savvas: yes rytham box
[12:02] <vallhalla81> savvas: and yes also all up to dated with uppdate
[12:03] <vallhalla81> Ng: ram has been checked and is all good
[12:03] <savvas> vallhalla81: can you paste at pastebin the output of: apt-cache policy rhythmbox
[12:04] <vallhalla81>  Installed: 0.11.5-0ubuntu1
[12:04] <vallhalla81>   Candidate: 0.11.5-0ubuntu1
[12:04] <vallhalla81>   Version table:
[12:04] <vallhalla81>  *** 0.11.5-0ubuntu1 0
[12:04] <vallhalla81>         500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/main Packages
[12:04] <vallhalla81>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[12:04] <savvas> I said at pastebin, but ok :)
[12:04] <vallhalla81> sorry
[12:06] <savvas> vallhalla81: apt-cache policy lame vorbis-tools flac ffmpeg liblame0 gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse | grep Installed
[12:06] <jc-denton> is cpu frequency scaling now broken?
[12:06] <jc-denton> it worked before
[12:06] <jc-denton> but now i get
[12:06] <savvas> vallhalla81: paste at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[12:06] <jc-denton> cpufreq-selector -g powersave
[12:06] <jc-denton> No cpufreq support
[12:06] <jc-denton> ls /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/
[12:06] <jc-denton> cache  cpuidle  crash_notes  topology
[12:07] <jc-denton> files for setting the governer and frequency are gone
[12:07] <vallhalla81> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61732/
[12:08] <savvas> vallhalla81: close rhythmbox and do this: sudo aptitude install lame vorbis-tools flac ffmpeg liblame0 gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse
[12:09] <vallhalla81> all done
[12:10] <kgoetz> is hardy meant to havce no gparted, or is it simply not in uid1000's path?
[12:10] <vallhalla81>  savvas: you think that should do it?
[12:11] <shockhead> hi folks, anyone know if the linux-2.6.24-13.23 package is uploaded yet?
[12:11] <shockhead> re this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/201591
[12:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201591 in linux "atyfb regression - screen blank except for blinking cursor after fbcon vtswitch " [Medium,Fix released]
[12:11] <shockhead> can't find it in the repositories, but it's referenced there
[12:11] <shockhead> just wondering how this stuff works :-)
[12:11] <jc-denton> shockhead: i still have..
[12:11] <jc-denton> Linux compaq 2.6.24-12-generic
[12:11] <jc-denton> and just updated
[12:12] <jc-denton> can anybody confirm that cpu frequency scaling is broken?
[12:12] <shockhead> jc-denton: i have 2.6.24-12 too
[12:12] <compwiz18> jc-denton: CPU scaling works fine here
[12:13] <compwiz18> P3, i386
[12:13] <shockhead> jc-denton: here too
[12:13] <jc-denton> what cpu?
[12:13] <savvas> vallhalla81: probably, you didn't have lame installed, which is used for mp3 :)
[12:13] <shockhead> jc-denton: intel core 2 duo t5600
[12:13] <shockhead> jc-denton: policy set to dynamic
[12:13] <jc-denton> model name	: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T7500  @ 2.20GHz
[12:13] <savvas> !info linux-generic hardy
[12:13] <jc-denton> policy?
[12:13] <Pici> !info is broken
[12:14] <compwiz18> jc-denton: I have a Pentium 3
[12:14] <compwiz18> 1000mhz
[12:14] <jc-denton> haha :D
[12:14] <shockhead> in kubuntu, the little battery / power manager app lets me set my cpu frequency scaling policy to "dynamic, performance or powersave"
[12:14] <jc-denton> well the file to set it is gone here
[12:14] <compwiz18> jc-denton: did you overclock it?
[12:14] <shockhead> jc-denton: file?
[12:15] <jc-denton> no of course not, compwiz18
[12:15] <jc-denton> i need my computer to work
[12:15] <jc-denton> and not to play with it
[12:16] <jc-denton> ls /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/
[12:16] <jc-denton> cache  cpuidle  crash_notes  topology
[12:16] <jc-denton> there should be a file called frequency
[12:16] <shockhead> i have...