[10:45] <aisrael> Any conjure-up folks around? I installed the snap from the beta channel and `conjure-up` fails with: ImportError: No module named 'conjureup'
[10:53] <aisrael> https://github.com/conjure-up/conjure-up/issues/652
[12:11] <Odd_Bloke> stokachu: ^
[12:17] <aisrael> stokachu, for context: I'm at the Juju Summit, and wanted to test conjure-up before my talk. We're pushing conjure-up pretty hard, so I'm hoping my failure is just a one-off
[13:12] <stokachu> aisrael, you are running the snap one from /snap/bin/conjure-up?
[13:12] <aisrael> stokachu, yep
[13:13] <stokachu> aisrael, one sec
[13:13] <stokachu> aisrael, hmm, do you have any pyenv environment enabled?
[13:14] <stokachu> on a fresh 16.04 install i dont see this problem
[13:14] <aisrael> stokachu, nope, nothing special wrt pyenv
[13:16] <stokachu> aisrael, hmm..
[13:19] <stokachu> aisrael, whats the output of `env`?
[13:21] <aisrael> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23940964/
[13:21] <stokachu> starting up a fresh system again to make sure
[13:23] <stokachu> aisrael, xenial?
[13:23] <aisrael> stokachu, Yep, 16.04.1, up to date as of this morning
[13:23] <stokachu> ok
[13:26] <stokachu> aisrael, hmm im having trouble reproducing, i just did a fresh maas deploy of 16.04.1
[13:27] <stokachu> aisrael, maybe create a fresh user account and try running it with that user
[13:27] <aisrael> stokachu, ok. I'll fire up an lxd container and see if I can reproduce it locally. It might just be something on my system, and if so, I'll try to debug and provide steps to reproduce.
[13:28] <stokachu> aisrael, thanks, the python plugin for snap is pretty specific when it comes to the interpreter it runs
[13:28] <stokachu> so it may be something with that im missing
[13:31] <aisrael> I can also try building the snap locally and see if that changes anything
[13:33] <stokachu> aisrael, thanks, it uses python 3.6 within the snap, and unsquashfs -l conjure-up*snap should show you the module path
[13:34] <stokachu> aisrael, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23941001/
[13:34] <stokachu> so the module is definitely there
[13:41] <aisrael> I only have python3.5 installed. Does the snap include the 3.6 runtime?
[13:51] <stokachu> yea it does
[14:00] <stokachu> aisrael, any luck?
[14:26] <stokachu> mup, ping
[14:26] <mup> stokachu: I apologize, but I'm pretty strict about only responding to known commands.
[14:44] <admcleod> hi - im trying to use a bundle (juju 2.1, juju deploy) with manually provisioned machines. the machines are provisioned and numbered 0,1,2,3,4, the bundle refers to them as such also, and the placement of the charms in the bundle refers to them either as that number (e.g. charm ceph-mon, to: 1, or to: - lxd:1, etc) - but when i try to deploy, it tells me "cannot create machine for holding"
[14:48] <bdx> admcleod: sup, the machines specified in the bundle don't correlate to the machine numbers in the juju environment
[14:49] <admcleod> bdx: thats what i was thinking
[14:50] <bdx> the machine placement directives in the bundle are context sensitive to that bundle, and deploying a bundle will always try to provision new machines, not map to the machines in the bundle :(
[14:50] <admcleod> bdx: well, thats peculiar since the rest of the error says:
[14:50] <admcleod> cannot add a new machine: use "juju add-machine ssh:[user@]<host>" to provision machines
[14:50] <admcleod> right. but they're already there...
[14:51] <bdx> yeah .. that would make sense, because the bundle doesn't know about them, and because manual provider, juju doesn't have access to a hoard of resources to create new machines with
[14:52] <admcleod> bdx: right. but if it says 'add a machine manually', then if i was to do that, presumably it wouldnt know, and ask me to add another machine manually
[14:52] <bdx> yea .. exactly
[14:52] <admcleod> bdx: that seems like a bug
[14:53] <bdx> bundle deploys <-> manual provider have never worked for me ... yea totally
[14:53] <sparkiegeek> wasn't there a ML thread about this?
[14:53] <bdx> admcleod: but what if you want new machines? ^ doesn't fit the rest of the use cases though
[14:54] <admcleod> sparkiegeek: ??
[14:54] <sparkiegeek> admcleod: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/juju/2016-December/008367.html
[14:55] <admcleod> sparkiegeek: thanks
[14:55] <sparkiegeek> admcleod: np
[15:03] <stokachu> aisrael, were you able to get conjure-up going?
[15:30] <aisrael> stokachu, not yet. Just finished with my talk, though, so I'll give it a try
[15:56] <Zic> hi, if somebody of the CDK team is here, I got the same error (Unable to authenticate the request due to an error: crypto/rsa: verification error)on a fresh brand new cluster
[15:56] <Zic> with no operation post-install
[15:57] <Zic> we just poweroff-ed one master to test the HA, and when we poweron-ed it, it came back with this error which totally mess the whole cluster :/
[15:57] <Zic> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23941613/
[15:59] <magicaltrout> hmm dunno if jcastro has irc open to ping one of the CDK guys
[15:59] <magicaltrout> they're all in Gent
[16:01] <Zic> the last time, this error appeared few days after some operations on our side, so we didn't know how to reproduce
[16:02] <Zic> but here, it's *just* after the end of the install (when all juju status was green)
[16:02] <magicaltrout> i've tried to ping them on twitter Zic
[16:02] <Zic> thanks :)
[16:02] <magicaltrout> we shall see how connected they are
[16:02] <Budgie^Smore> or the mailing list, I know lazy said he would see things there
[16:03] <magicaltrout> yeah but its not real time is it! ;)
[16:04] <rick_h> The signal fires are lit
[16:04] <magicaltrout> hehe
[16:05] <lazyPower> magicaltrout - state the nature of your kubernetes emergency
[16:05] <magicaltrout> hehe
[16:05] <magicaltrout> not mine
[16:05] <Budgie^Smore> speak of the devil! ;-)
[16:05] <Zic> lazyPower: guess who is crashing everything? \o/
[16:05] <magicaltrout> Zic here has broken his cluster
[16:05] <lazyPower> Zic - ah, i could have guessed :) I spoke about you today in my talk
[16:05] <lazyPower> ok so what seems to be the trouble Zic?
[16:06] <magicaltrout> was it something like "poor guy, keeps testing our code and breaking things?" ;)
[16:06] <Zic> lazyPower: you remembered the credential error with "Unable to authenticate the request due to an error: crypto/rsa: verification error"?
[16:06] <lazyPower> magicaltrout - nah, it was actually describing how he was able to make an irrecoverable state change, and i was quite impressed
[16:06] <Zic> I had it after some days of operation and it was not clear how we can reproduce it
[16:06] <lazyPower> Zic i do remember something about this
[16:07] <lazyPower> Zic did you manage to reproduce it? or is just showing up again without a clear indicator as to why?
[16:07] <Zic> here, I just deployed a brand new cluster and just after the end of install (`juju status` showed all green) it starter immediately after we rebooted one of the 3 masters
[16:07] <Zic> started*
[16:07] <lazyPower> ahhh
[16:07] <lazyPower> so restarting a master has triggered a cryptographic verification error?
[16:07] <Zic> yeah
[16:08] <lazyPower> Zic - we definitely need to document that in a bug and take a look
[16:09] <Zic> we did the check that you pointed me to the last time : check that /srv/kubernetes corresponding with openssl x509, it does not change
[16:09] <Zic> maybe it's the k8s token? but I don't know how they work
[16:09] <lazyPower> ah good, so the TLS cert was verified
[16:09] <lazyPower> good call, i bet i know whats happened Zic
[16:10] <lazyPower> Zic - those tokens need to be syc'd among the masters, and they aren't right now. so you've got a new token that it loaded into the k8s object store during turn up
[16:10] <lazyPower> and its not agree'ing with what the other msters have.
[16:10] <lazyPower> which would be why it showed up after reboot, not before
[16:11] <lazyPower> actually i'm kind of perturbed we didn't find this before reboot
[16:12] <Zic> we think about his because one of the event of the Ingress controller was about readyness
[16:12] <Zic> kube-dns also
[16:13] <lazyPower> Zic - they mount the default service token right?
[16:13] <Zic> -> requests that ask the API with token
[16:13] <lazyPower> Zic - so the token is different across all 3 masters
[16:13] <Zic> lazyPower: how can I confirm that?
[16:13] <lazyPower> 1 sec i'm turning up k8s on my laptop
[16:14] <lazyPower> Zic - check in /srv/kubernetes/known_tokens.csv
[16:14] <lazyPower> all 3 masters will have a different token in that file is my guess
[16:15] <Zic> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23941724/
[16:16] <lazyPower> Zic - seems like thats the culprit
[16:16] <lazyPower> Zic - great pointer on this one
[16:19] <Zic> lazyPower: just before this error (and just after the install, no additionnal extra OP) we discovered that something went wrong because kube-dns and one of the Ingress controller was in CLBO
[16:19] <Zic> do you confirm it can be tied to this problem? as it probes the readiness through API I believe
[16:21] <lazyPower> Zic - yeah you should be able to confirm that with a kubectl describe
[16:21] <lazyPower> Zic - if its failed contacting the API with that token, i'm mostly certain you'll get that as output in the kubectl describe of that pod
[16:21] <lazyPower> i may be incorrect and it only say it entered a failed/crashed state
[16:21] <lazyPower> but i'm mostly certain it'll give you more detailed info w/ regards to an api contact failure
[16:22] <Zic> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23941761/
[16:22] <Zic> (for kube-dns)
[16:22] <lazyPower> yap, i'm wrong
[16:22] <lazyPower> it would have to be verified with log output
[16:23] <aisrael> stokachu, I'm running into a problem building the snap. It wants me to install the core snap, but I try and it won't because ubuntu-core is already installed (and uninstallable). Run into that before?
[16:24] <Zic> mp          10m         11m         18        zk-0               Pod                                 Warning   FailedSync         {kubelet mth-k8s-01}          Error syncing pod, skipping: failed to "SetupNetwork" for "zk-0_mp" with SetupNetworkError: "Failed to setup network for pod \"zk-0_mp(c5559d40-eafe-11e6-a57e-0050569efde9)\" using network plugins \"cni\": \"cni0\" already has an IP address different
[16:24] <Zic> from <IP_ADDRESS>/24; Skipping pod"
[16:24] <stokachu> aisrael, what about `sudo snap refresh ubuntu-core`
[16:24] <stokachu> aisrael, see if it'll update and rename it
[16:24] <aisrael> no updates available
[16:24] <stokachu> try sudo snap refresh core
[16:24] <Zic> lazyPower: I have this one also, but it's on the old cluster (not the fresh one) don't know if we can link all this bugs
[16:25] <lazyPower> Zic - that CNI failure seems to be bubbling up FROM CNI itself though
[16:26] <lazyPower> Zic - wsa this similar in symptom though?
[16:26] <aisrael> stokachu, no luck. can't refresh 'core', can't find 'core'
[16:26] <lazyPower> it started with cryptographic errors and yielded broken behavior?
[16:26] <stokachu> aisrael, what does `snap version` show
[16:26] <lazyPower> Zic - also, why aren't you here :) :) We could be hacking on this in real time
[16:27] <aisrael> snap    2.21
[16:27] <aisrael> snapd   2.21
[16:27] <aisrael> series  16
[16:27] <aisrael> ubuntu  16.04
[16:27] <stokachu> well wth
[16:27] <Zic> lazyPower: because I'm stick with the customer to debug this x)
[16:28] <lazyPower> Zic - also, thanks for following up with this.
[16:28] <stokachu> aisrael, can you hop on #snappy on freenode
[16:28] <lazyPower> Zic ah good reason. I'll see if i can get this fixed up in a branch tonight fo you to deploy and test with.
[16:30] <Zic> lazyPower: but I'm counting on you to tell me all your stories about the Juju Summit :p
[16:30] <lazyPower> Zic ah, let me show you this :D
[16:30] <lazyPower> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1kJ-OeazxivyMkQbDC20wD-NDkW4T-H8BUTfQNxw3wOE/pub?start=false&loop=false&delayms=3000&slide=id.g1c62525350_1_90
[16:30] <Zic> or we'll be glad to welcome you at my company x)
[16:30] <Zic> it's not to far from where you are :)
[16:31] <lazyPower> hehe great :D
[16:31] <Zic> Gent -> Paris, and we offer you pizza :D
[16:37] <Zic> lazyPower: the best part is about "Operators and devs be like" slide :p
[16:40] <Zic> lazyPower: can I do something for you before the hotfixing comes? to help you with?
[16:40] <lazyPower> Zic -well
[16:41] <lazyPower> you're gonna be the primary driver of testing
[16:41] <lazyPower> that's enough for me. I don't think there's anything other than ensuring the bug is filed so i can link it on the commit.
[16:41] <Budgie^Smore> So etcd is becoming the new duck tape is what I like to say :P
[16:41] <lazyPower> Budgie^Smore - hahaha
[16:41] <lazyPower> nailed it
[16:42] <Budgie^Smore> lazyPower was your talk recorded by chance?
[16:43] <xnox> stokachu, what is the difference between "kubernetes core" and "canonical distribution of kubernetes" when doing conjure up?
[16:43] <lazyPower> Budgie^Smore - it was
[16:43] <lazyPower> xnox - kubernetes-core is a much lighter bundle, it only rqeuires 3 units
[16:44] <lazyPower> xnox canonical-distribution-of-kubernetes requires 9 units out of the gate, and introduces an API LoadBalancer to work around kubernetes not properly contacting the masters in an HA formation (they only contact the first)
[16:44] <lazyPower> so those are the 2 initial differences
[16:44] <xnox> lazyPower, is the charm and the binary that runs kubernetes the same?
[16:44] <lazyPower> xnox correct
[16:44] <xnox> good
[16:44] <xnox> lazyPower, thanks a lot!
[16:45] <Budgie^Smore> lazyPower I think I found a problem with the loadbalancer, was trying to use helm the other day and it couldn't do a port-forward command
[16:45] <lazyPower> xnox no problem :) happy to help
[16:45] <lazyPower> Budgie^Smore - we documented a work-around for the mean time
[16:45] <xnox> lazyPower, where can i do the lookup to where the conjure up "recipe is", bundle, and charms?
[16:45] <lazyPower> its known that helm hates our LB, it doesn't talk SPDY
[16:45] <Budgie^Smore> OK :) just checking, decided not to use helm at the moment and just use their charts as templates to self deploy
[16:48] <Zic> ok, I will fill the bug lazyPower :) https://github.com/juju/juju is the right place?
[16:48] <lazyPower> Zic - github.com/kubernetes/kubernetes
[16:49] <lazyPower> Budgie^Smore - ok, we're goig to be replacing the current APILB with a layer4 reverse proxy
[16:49] <lazyPower> so that issue should have a shelf life
[16:49] <Budgie^Smore> awersome, might have a use for helm stuff then :)
[16:50] <stokachu> xnox, https://github.com/conjure-up/spells/tree/master/canonical-kubernetes
[16:50] <stokachu> xnox, metadata will have a link to the bundle location
[16:50] <xnox> spell - that's the word!
[16:51] <lazyPower> man, as much as i like interfacing with you people but im ready to get back to engineering :P
[16:51] <lazyPower> as i'm sure you who are patiently waiting for fixes are ready for too
[16:51] <Budgie^Smore> nope, coming up with work aroundsi in the meantime ;-)
[16:52] <stokachu> xnox, were you able to navigate the ui without it freezing?
[16:52] <stokachu> xnox, i saw you mention that earlier
[16:53] <xnox> stokachu, i have not. but i was advised at fosdem that maybe i should not be trying to do this with: zesty, on ipv6 only network
[16:53] <stokachu> xnox, ah
[16:53] <stokachu> xnox, yea ipv6 :(
[16:54] <xnox> stokachu, at fosdem they have ipv6 networking only by default with dns64
[16:54] <xnox> ( https://fosdem.org/2017/ )
[16:54] <stokachu> xnox, fancy :)
[16:54] <xnox> it's a free event as well =)
[17:18] <xilet> Working on my first charm, are there any simple ways to have a templated config file brought in that does a simple replace on hostname? ( All of the samples I found were specific to applications requiring a good bit of python ). I mean I can always use a language to do it but I don't know if the charm system has something already in place.
[17:33] <stokachu> xilet, you doing it in bash?
[17:33] <stokachu> xilet, are using charmhelpers?
[17:38] <xilet> Right now all of the hooks are in bash
[17:56] <xilet> Let me ask a concrete example. If I wanted to add a line to /etc/hosts with <ip address> juju_server_<unit ID>     what would be the best way to accomplish that?
[18:06] <vagarwal> thanks to all the speakers and organizers - nice talks today
[19:37] <stokachu> aisrael, your talk go ok today?
[19:37] <stokachu> arosales, conjure-up work out for you all?
[19:38] <arosales> stokachu: so far so good. More work shop time tomorrow
[19:38] <stokachu> arosales, cool man
[19:38] <arosales> but encouraged folks to try what they saw in presos today with conjure
[19:39] <stokachu> arosales, sweet hopefully you'll get some good feedback
[19:39] <arosales> and increased usage of conjure
[19:39] <stokachu> yea im looking at the numbers now
[19:40] <stokachu> 10 for spark processing today
[20:10] <stormmore> so has anyone worked on securing the CDK API load balancer so it doesn't use HTTP?
[22:40] <catbus1> stokachu: hi, I tried  to install conjure-up on 16.04 but it says --classic flag is unknown.
[22:41] <catbus1> stokachu: do you know if there is any change to the flag?   Have you tried doing "charm logout" and "charm login"?
[23:13] <magicaltrout> just did that
[23:13] <magicaltrout> same result
[23:13] <cory_fu> Hrm
[23:14] <magicaltrout> we were discussing you earlier. I made the point drinking is so much easier when you aren't around! ;)
[23:14] <cory_fu> magicaltrout: Go to jujucharms.com and log out / in there, then charm logout/in again
[23:14] <cory_fu> ha
[23:15] <magicaltrout> i have this cool trick of hitting weird bugs the night before a talk
[23:17] <kwmonroe> magicaltrout: i'm gonna guess this is because you have all these identities.  who does "charm whoami" think you are?
[23:17] <magicaltrout> bugg@tom-laptop2:~/Projects/charms/builds/apache-solr$ charm login
[23:17] <magicaltrout> Login to Ubuntu SSO
[23:17] <magicaltrout> Press return to select a default value.
[23:17] <magicaltrout> E-Mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:17] <magicaltrout> Password:
[23:17] <magicaltrout> Two-factor auth (Enter for none):
[23:17] <magicaltrout> bugg@tom-laptop2:~/Projects/charms/builds/apache-solr$ charm push . cs:~spiculecharms/apache-solr
[23:17] <magicaltrout> ERROR cannot post archive: unauthorized: access denied for user "spicule"
[23:17] <magicaltrout> bugg@tom-laptop2:~/Projects/charms/builds/apache-solr$ charm whoami
[23:17] <magicaltrout> User: spicule
[23:17] <magicaltrout> Group membership: apachefoundation, apachesoftwarefoundation, charm-contributors, containers
[23:17] <magicaltrout> bugg@tom-laptop2:~/Projects/charms/builds/apache-solr$
[23:18] <magicaltrout> hmm
[23:18] <magicaltrout> so i should be a member of my own group right?
[23:18] <magicaltrout> group/team
[23:18] <magicaltrout> whatever launchpad calls it
[23:20] <kwmonroe> indeed you should
[23:20] <kwmonroe> also, how in the heck did you get into the containers group?  those folks are picky.
[23:20] <magicaltrout> cause i'm bloody amazing
[23:20] <magicaltrout> anyway
[23:20] <kwmonroe> lol
[23:20] <magicaltrout> how did i end up out of my own group
[23:20] <magicaltrout> and how do i get back into it?
[23:21] <cory_fu> magicaltrout: You are a member of the group, but the charm store needs to refresh from LP.  Did you go to jujucharms.com like I said?
[23:22] <kwmonroe> yeah magicaltrout, it does look like spicule is in the group:  https://launchpad.net/~spiculecharms/+members.  do what cory said.
[23:22] <magicaltrout> i did cory_fu
[23:23] <magicaltrout> as if i wouldn't do something cory_fu suggested!
[23:23] <cory_fu> magicaltrout: Hrm.  I don't know.  That's a known issue and that's the fix for it.  Maybe try charm logout, jujucharms.com logout, jujucharms.com login, charm login?
[23:23] <cory_fu> :)
[23:24] <cory_fu> I've definitely had that fix that issue before
[23:24] <kwmonroe> yeah - it's gotta be in an order iirc.  luckily there aren't many permutations to try ;)
[23:26] <kwmonroe> magicaltrout: as a workaround, could you push to ~spicule and use the charm from there?
[23:26] <kwmonroe> then sort out the group membership at a more reasonable hour?
[23:29] <magicalt1out> same fail
[23:30] <magicalt1out> great i'm locked out of pushing my own charms \o/
[23:30] <cory_fu> O_O
[23:30] <magicalt1out> i'll deploy locally and complain on the mailing list
[23:30] <magicalt1out> weird though
[23:31] <kwmonroe> magicaltrout: can you push to one of those other listed groups?  apachefoundation, apachesoftwarefoundation, charm-contributors, containers
[23:32] <magicalt1out> testing
[23:33] <magicalt1out> yes kwmonroe
[23:33] <magicalt1out> that works fine
[23:34] <catbus1> Hi, I tried to add maas cloud to conjure-up, but it errors out with trackback: unable to find: <home folder>/.local/share/juju/accounts.yaml. And there is also 'cattle' not found in juju's bootstrap-config.yaml error message. Is there something I need to do between maas and juju prior to setting this up in conjure-up?
[23:37] <cory_fu> catbus1: I believe those errors are due to not having had run any juju commands before.  I thought conjure-up was updated to resolve that; can you verify if conjure-up is at the latest version?
[23:37] <cory_fu> catbus1: Otherwise, you should be able to run any juju command, such as: juju status
[23:38] <cory_fu> magicalt1out: Sorry I couldn't be of more help.  I really do have to EOD now
[23:38] <magicalt1out> yeah no worries
[23:39] <catbus1> cory_fu: I have the latest conjure-up in 16.04: 2.1.0-0~201701041302~ubuntu16.04.1
[23:40] <catbus1> cory_fu: I don't have any juju controller yet.
[23:41] <catbus1> I assume a juju controller will be created afterwards. conjure-up bootstraps juju.
[23:42] <cory_fu> catbus1: Yes, that's fine.  It's just the bootstrap logic that needs to run.  The relevant issue for conjure-up is https://github.com/conjure-up/conjure-up/issues/641
[23:42] <cory_fu> It seems that it has not been fixed yet after all
[23:43] <magicalt1out> cory_fu: your support services are failing this evening! ;)
[23:43] <cory_fu> magicalt1out: Indeed.  Happens when I try to support things I haven't worked on.  ;)
[23:44] <magicalt1out> hehe
[23:44] <magicalt1out> i blame your colleagues for going to bed....
[23:44] <magicalt1out> and certainly not the fact i'm trying to stand up a demo 12 hours before my presentation....
[23:44] <cory_fu> magicalt1out: Me too
[23:46] <magicalt1out> thanks... that means a lot!
[23:46] <magicalt1out> i also blame kwmonroe
[23:46] <cory_fu> catbus1: I'm afraid I do have to head out for the evening.  I'm not sure what timezone you're in, but if my suggestion of running `juju status` followed by re-running conjure-up doesn't work, I would have to direct you to stokachu tomorrow during the day according to EST
[23:47] <cory_fu> magicalt1out: That goes without saying, I'm sure.


[06:20] <pabs3> anyone know if it is possible to upgrade the repository format of launchpad repos?
[06:22] <Peng> What, Bazaar repos?
[06:22] <Peng> I don't know if there's a good way, but you can always run "bzr upgrade" with a bzr+ssh path.
[06:24] <pabs3> yeah Bazaar repos
[11:05] <wgrant> pabs3: There's an upgrade link on the branch page, or you can 'bzr upgrade lp:whatever'.
[11:06] <pabs3> ok cool
[20:05] <hggdh> cansomeone please delete https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1369306 ? This is spam, I already marked it invalid


[12:31] <h3sp4wn> Pumpernickel: does apache harmony have a 64 bit plugin ?
[12:37] <cellofellow> would it be possible to get smbfs mounts to appear on the desktop?
[12:39] <kalikiana> cellofellow, Why not just make a symlink?
[12:40] <cellofellow> cause I'm using LinNeighborhood, and I'd just like mounted shares to automagically appear on the desktop, with a one-click unmount too.
[12:40] <cellofellow> there's got to be a way
[12:41] <kalikiana> I don't think so. :/
[12:41] <h3sp4wn> maybe you could get ivman to do it
[12:42] <cellofellow> mabe
[12:42] <cellofellow> maybe
[01:23] <Whamazoom> wow this samba works great!
[01:24] <Whamazoom> only thing is it takes 20mins to transfer a movie lol
[01:30] <h3sp4wn> through wireless ?
[01:30] <Howdy125> Sounds about right.
[01:31] <Howdy125> I just sent a movie from one computer to another here at home using xchat and it took about 15 min.
[01:31] <Whamazoom> yea
[01:31] <Whamazoom> laptop is on wifi
[01:31] <h3sp4wn> Wireless is slow (how big movie ?)
[01:31] <Whamazoom> 800mbs
[01:31] <Howdy125> let me look
[01:32] <h3sp4wn> I can get about 1.4/MB/s through my wireless (need to change my accesspoint when I can be bothered)
[01:32] <blahblahx> hey guys
[01:32] <Howdy125> 697.1 MB
[01:32] <blahblahx> when i boot up the xubuntu 7.04 livecd ti gives me a blue screen
[01:32] <blahblahx> after loading
[01:57] <Devo> hello all
[01:59] <h3sp4wn> Hello
[01:59] <Devo> hello
[01:59] <Devo> do you know how to mount a new HD in xfce
[02:00] <Devo> my old mount command stopped working ( mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/mp3 )
[02:00] <Devo> after i upgraded
[02:00] <h3sp4wn> maybe its changed to sdX
[02:01] <h3sp4wn> dmesg | less (have a look until you find the drive chances are its sda or sdb or so)
[02:01] <Devo> ok
[02:03] <blahblahx> hi
[02:04] <blahblahx> i have a 1.8ghz pc with an ati card and 128mb or RAM
[02:04] <blahblahx> after the loading screen, i get stuck with a blue screen that stays there
[02:04] <blahblahx> and i have tried every boot mode ot no sucess
[02:04] <blahblahx> can anyone help me?
[02:05] <Devo> it worked
[02:05] <Devo> nice
[02:05] <blahblahx> what should i do?
[02:06] <Devo> hit alt-f1 at that screen
[02:06] <Devo> i think its f1
[02:06] <blahblahx> thats what i should do?
[02:06] <blahblahx> and then what?
[02:06] <Devo> try the various F buttons till you see a text screen
[02:06] <Devo> it should have an error maybe
[02:07] <Devo> then at least you know where it froze
[02:10] <blahblahx> ok
[02:10] <blahblahx> at what point should i do that?
[02:12] <Devo> when it freezes
[02:12] <Devo> you'll eventually find the text-based bootup screen
[02:12] <Devo> the last line is probably what it froze on
[02:15] <thebillywayne> Hello.  I attempted to install xubuntu today on my office computer, wihch I'm away from right now.  Why is Xubuntu attempting to load GNOME?
[02:17] <thebillywayne> When I select verbose mode to see my bootup procedure I see that GNOME is trying to load.  sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop actually stops Gnome.
[02:17] <h3sp4wn> gdm is not gnome
[02:17] <TheSheep> thebillywayne: it's not, it's just wrong message
[02:17] <TheSheep> thebillywayne: they assumed it will only start/stop gnome
[02:17] <TheSheep> thebillywayne: before there was xubuntu
[02:19] <thebillywayne> TheSheep, oh I see.  I've tried reconfigured xorg using different drivers (vesa, i810, i730?) but I always get a "screen not found" error.  How can I go about fixing this?  (Remember I'm not at the computer right now.)  :)
[02:23] <TheSheep> thebillywayne: normally you would just do 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[02:23] <TheSheep> thebillywayne: the default settings suggested should work
[02:24] <TheSheep> thebillywayne: you might also need to insrease so called 'graphic aperture' in you bios settings -- that is the amount of RAM your card takes from the computer
[02:25] <thebillywayne> TheSheep, yeah 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' didn't work with the default settings.  I'll try your suggestion of increasing the graphic aperture in my BIOS.  Thanks for the tip.  :)
[02:26] <TheSheep> thebillywayne: one more: Intel graphic cards suck ;)
[02:26] <TheSheep> thebillywayne: at least under Linux
[02:26] <TheSheep> although I've heard the support for the recent ones is very good
[02:28] <thebillywayne> TheSheep, well maybe we can bork it so the company will buy us a new one.  my supervisor was a moron and suggested "hey I can just buy this old dung pile for a couple hundred" not thinking that this dung pile was what we'd have to work with.  Maybe I can find an old nVidia card or something.
[02:28] <TheSheep> thebillywayne: if that doesn't help, try saving the x log and the output of lspci
[02:28] <TheSheep> thebillywayne: with that info we might be able to do somethng more
[02:29] <thebillywayne> TheSheep, I'll do that.
[02:30] <thebillywayne> Though Ubuntu loaded and ran fine, though it was too heavy on the poor PIII w/ 256 MB of RAM.
[02:31] <h3sp4wn> Cannot understand why ubuntu would work fine (they use the same X)
[02:31] <thebillywayne> h3sp4wn, me neither, unless it was an install problem.
[02:32] <h3sp4wn> thebillywayne: what version did you use ?
[02:32] <thebillywayne> h3sp4wn, feisty.
[02:33] <TheSheep> thebillywayne: you can just copy the /etc/xorg.conf file over if you still have it
[02:34] <thebillywayne> TheSheep, it was wiped when I reformatted to put Xubuntu on.  Haven't really began using the *buntu's on the office computer, as we have a stinking Conexant winmodem and havent' secured a proper dial-up modem yet.
[02:35] <TheSheep> thebillywayne: you could, if you still have the ubuntu cd, boot the livecd and copy the xorg.conf file from it to the disk
[02:36] <thebillywayne> TheSheep, that's a really good idea.  I'll try that.
[02:36] <thebillywayne> TheSheep, I used the alternate to do the install, but I'll give that a shot.
[02:37] <TheSheep> thebillywayne: I have to sleep now, but if that doesn't work, bring your logs here and either me or someone else will help you
[02:37] <thebillywayne> TheSheep, will do.  thx for your help.  go get some rest.  :)
[02:42] <atarinox> can somebody help me change folder priveleges? i need to set a folder to read/write for all groups in the terminal...i think it's 777?
[02:43] <kalikiana_> atarinox, Just do 'chmod 777 yourfolder' ;)
[02:43] <atarinox> kalikiana_: thanks
[02:45] <TheSheep> atarinox: you can also right-click the folder in thunar and select 'properties' then 'permissions'
[02:47] <atarinox> hmm....trying to follow this step: In a terminal, type: sudo chown <username>:fuse /media/network
[02:47] <atarinox> (Where <username> is your user account logon name)but....keep getting an error that i need another operand
[02:48] <atarinox> nm....i got it
[02:52] <Devo> i think i'll start drinking now
[03:09] <atarinox> does anybody know how I can change the function of my third mouse button to scroll? is it something in my xorg.conf?
[03:09] <Jester45>  yes
[03:09] <Jester45> idk how but its in xorg
[03:14] <crdlb> atarinox:     Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
[03:14] <crdlb> in the mouse section
[03:14] <atarinox> crdlb: looks like that's included by default
[03:15] <crdlb> it is
[03:15] <atarinox> but my third mouse button won't scroll
[03:15] <Asauce> Howcome ubuntu recognizes my wireless card, but Xubuntu doesn't?
[03:15] <atarinox> instead it opens links in new tabs, closes tabs, and minimizes windows
[03:16] <atarinox> crdlb: maybe this is because im on a thinkpad?
[03:16] <crdlb> oh
[03:16] <crdlb> that's what you mean
[03:16] <crdlb> that's pretty much impossible to set up
[03:17] <crdlb> I can remember some ways but they're complicated
[03:17] <atarinox> crdlb: i remember doing it in edgy pretty easily, just cant remember hte option or value
[03:17] <crdlb> however you can set up the right side of the touchpad to scroll
[03:17] <atarinox> crdlb: no touchpad...
[03:17] <crdlb> oh you have a really old thinkpad
[03:18] <atarinox> yeah i have a T22
[03:18] <crdlb> my t42 has both
[03:18] <deniz_ogu1> Hi dear friends. In Xubuntu Feisty, when I drag and drop an item into some other directory it copies it there. How can set it to move the item instead of copying?
[03:19] <Jester45> i want a T1
[03:20] <h3sp4wn> I was happy with my 8mb baseband when I had it (years ago)
[03:20] <crdlb> atarinox: you need a package called tp-scroll
[03:20] <crdlb> then you have to change your xorg.conf a bit
[03:20] <hitmanWilly> deniz_ogu1: just hold shift while you click/drag
[03:21] <deniz_ogu1> hitmanWilly: Thanks but isn't there a way to set it as default as moving without shift+drag?
[03:22] <hitmanWilly> deniz_ogu1: probably somewhere, not sure how tho
[03:22] <deniz_ogu1> Thanks dear friend.
[03:23] <atarinox> crdlb: ok i'll try that if adding Option           EmulateWheel
[03:23] <atarinox> and Option "EmulateWheelButton"   "2"   doesnt work
[03:42] <Jester45> guess what.... i just ate a whole bag of Doritos without using my hands, mouth only :) thats skillz
[04:04] <scot524> stupid question -- what is the best way to handle routine updates, is the there an update notifier like there is in ubuntu or should I just schedule with crontab?
[04:09] <Jester45> there is a autoupdater
[04:09] <scot524> jester45: in repos?
[04:09] <Jester45> you can use cron or synaptic
[04:11] <h3sp4wn> !info cron-apt
[04:11] <ubotu> cron-apt: automatic update of packages using apt-get. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.13 (feisty), package size 22 kB, installed size 208 kB
[04:11] <scot524> h3sp4wn: thxs!
[04:12] <Jester45> i do like gnomes notifer
[04:12] <Jester45> aa
[04:12] <Jester45> synaptic -> settings -> repos -> updates
[04:16] <Jester45> someone should get a machine and install all the packages
[04:16] <Jester45> see what that does, and how long the menus are
[04:17] <h3sp4wn> Jester45: sudo aptitude install -s \!~i
[04:17] <h3sp4wn> (-s makes it simulate)
[04:17] <Jester45> i dont wanna do it
[04:17] <scot524> Thanks guys!
[04:17] <Jester45> plus if its a simulated how would the menus change
[04:18] <h3sp4wn> If you do want to do then remove -s
[04:18] <scot524> Jester45: This is a fresh install ... and wouldn't care if I have to reinstall, want me to try it?
[04:18] <h3sp4wn> (I was just demonstrating how easy it is)
[04:19] <Jester45> sure but... do you have the disc space and bandwidth
[04:19] <Jester45> its a lot of packages
[04:19] <scot524> Would be kinda cool ... 80gb hdd might not cut it, the bandwidth is pretty good 4mb downstream
[04:20] <Jester45> 80 isnt good
[04:20] <scot524> Yep ... actually enjoying this install anyway -- was perfect!
[04:21] <Jester45> !sources.list
[04:21] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[04:21] <Jester45> !EasySource
[04:21] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[04:21] <Jester45> my sources.list has 24 lines of debs... time to remake it
[04:29] <Jester45> yea 8 lines
[06:04] (TheSheep/#xubuntu) scriptdevil: well, it'
[06:04] (TheSheep/#xubuntu) scriptdevil: it's best to use whatever you're comfortable with
[06:05] (scriptdevil/#xubuntu) TheSheep: i like how ubuntu attracts windows users to the brighter part of the computing world though :D
[06:05] (scriptdevil/#xubuntu) anyway..
[06:05] (scriptdevil/#xubuntu) adios amigo
[06:05] (TheSheep/#xubuntu) abd: I can't understand what you mean, repeating it won't help, try describing in al ittle more detail.
[06:05] (TheSheep/#xubuntu) scriptdevil: good luck
[06:05] (scriptdevil/#xubuntu) abd: is qt installed?
[06:06] <scriptdevil> TheSheep: qmake.. that qt version of make.. he says command not found
[06:06] <abd> sure is installed , but to tell bash where qmake is .....
[06:07] <TheSheep> abd: are you following some sort of a tutorial?
[06:07] <abd> I edit /etc/environment/ but it still not working
[06:07] <abd> yeah ..
[06:07] <TheSheep> abd: you need to open new terminal for the /etc/environment to start working
[06:07] <TheSheep> abd: link to that tutorial?
 but I followed qt instruction (INSTALL FILE)
[06:09] <TheSheep> abd: what are you compiling?
[06:09] <abd> test.pro
[06:10] <TheSheep> nevermind, let's try a different way
[06:10] <TheSheep> abd: is qt3-dev-tools installed?
[06:10] <abd> C++ GUI Programming with Qt 4
[06:10] <abd> By Jasmin Blanchette, Mark Summerfield
[06:10] <TheSheep> ah, 4
[06:10] <TheSheep> is qt4-dev-tools installed?
[06:11] <abd> QT_4.2.3
[06:11] <TheSheep> try installing the qt3-dev-tools too
[06:11] <abd> like what , I installed qt-x11 opensource from the official site
[06:12] <TheSheep> abd: ah, so you intalled your own (non-ubuntu version in some non-standard place?
[06:13] <TheSheep> abd: so it installed into /usr/local or /opt ?
[06:13] <abd> no I did ti from trolltech site
[06:14] <TheSheep> abd: ubuntu provides ready packages with software, prepared for ubuntu
[06:14] <TheSheep> abd: maybe you should try with these?
[06:14] <abd> no I install it in /home/abd/qt , & while it installing it take place in /usr/local/Trollecth/Qt-4.2.3./
[06:14] <abd> & r last ver of Qt ?
[06:15] <TheSheep>      4.2.3-0ubuntu3 0
[06:15] <TheSheep> !info  qt4-dev-tools
[06:15] <ubotu> qt4-dev-tools: Qt 4 development tools. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.2.3-0ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 728 kB, installed size 1876 kB
[06:16] <TheSheep> abd: looks like pretty recent
[06:16] <abd> can I find the repository in ubuntu site ????
[06:17] <TheSheep> abd: http://packages.ubuntu.com, but you can just use the system->synaptic package manager to install the packages
[06:18] <abd> in synaptic , after update I have not the latest ver :(
[06:18] <TheSheep> abd: which ubuntu do you use?
[06:19] <abd> xubuntu edgy
[06:19] <TheSheep> abd: ok, we can try to make your work
[06:19] <TheSheep> abd: what did you add to your PATH?
[06:20] <abd> PATH=usr/local/Trolltech/Qt-4.2.3/bin:$PATH  ---> export PATH
[06:20] <abd> which qt installation creates
[06:20] <TheSheep> abd: you need an / before that 'usr'
[06:20] <abd> & /home/abd/qt/bin
[06:20] <TheSheep>  PATH=/usr/local/Trolltech/Qt-4.2.3/bin:$PATH
[06:21] <abd> I did but I forget itnow only :)
[06:21] <TheSheep> ok, what happens when you type 'which qmake' ?
[06:22] <abd> root@abd-desktop:/etc# qmake
[06:22] <abd> bash: qmake: command not found
[06:22] <TheSheep> abd: try as normal user
[06:22] <abd> abd@abd-desktop:/etc$ qmake
[06:22] <abd> bash: qmake: command not found
[06:23] <abd> :"(
[06:23] <TheSheep> ls -l /usr/local/Trolltech/Qt-4.2.3/bin/qmake
[06:25] <TheSheep> abd: maybe consider upgrading to feisty, it has qt 4.2.3 ready and working out of the box
[06:26] <abd> in lebanon we have poor connection , but I install it in uni ....  .
[06:26] <TheSheep> abd: what did that last command show?
[06:26] <abd> I cant install a package for feisty  on edgy
[06:26] <TheSheep> abd: that ls -l
[06:27] <abd> bd@abd-desktop:/etc$ ls -l /usr/local/Trolltech/Qt-4.2.3/bin/qmake
[06:27] <abd> ls: /usr/local/Trolltech/Qt-4.2.3/bin/qmake: No such file or directory
[06:27] <abd> I knew that qmake is not in this path , thus I export the second one
[06:28] <TheSheep> aah, with what command?
[06:30] <abd> abd@abd-desktop:/etc$ ls -l /home/abd/qt/bin/qmake
[06:30] <abd> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2316096 2007-05-08 03:37 /home/abd/qt/bin/qmake
[06:33] <TheSheep> abd: so, when you do 'export PATH=/home/abd/qt/bin:/usr/local/Trolltech/Qt-4.2.3/bin:$PATH', it still doesn't work?
[06:35] <abd> yeah ,  & after nano editing
[06:35] <TheSheep> abd: what are you editing?
[06:35] <abd> mark tht yesterday it worked , only I tried if it's known
[06:35] <abd> the full path
[06:36] <abd> the two pathes
[06:36] <TheSheep> abd: I think that for /etc/environment to work, you need to log out and log in back -- but then it will be permanent
[06:37] <abd> I did it right now before going in IRC :P
[06:38] <TheSheep> abd: what does that line in your /etc/environment look like exactly? Can you copy and paste here?
[06:39] <abd> ATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games:/usr/local/Trolltech/Qt-4.2.3/bin/:/home/abd/qt/bin/"
[06:39] <abd> LANG="en_US.UTF-8"
[06:40] <TheSheep> abd: I assume it's 'PATH' ;)
[06:40] <TheSheep> abd: maybe try without the / at the end :(
[06:40] <abd> I did :D
[06:40] <TheSheep> abd: what do you get when you type 'echo $PATH' ?
[06:41] <abd> root@abd-desktop:/etc# echo $PATH
[06:41] <abd> /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin
[06:41] <TheSheep> abd: from normal user :(
[06:43] <abd> abd@abd-desktop:/etc$ echo $PATH
[06:43] <abd> /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games
[06:43] <abd> after removing / @ end
[06:44] <TheSheep> abd: you did relog?
[06:45] <abd> I didnt relog ever , before , It close my programs running ???
[06:46] <TheSheep> abd: unfortunately yes
[06:46] <abd> ok
[06:48] <weswh-> will Xubuntu run reasonably on a 400mhz celeron/64 ram? or is it not worth installing?
[06:48] <TheSheep> weswh-: a little low ram
[06:48] <TheSheep> weswh-: you don't have any way to get more?
[06:49] <TheSheep> weswh-: fluxbox or some other minimalistic wm would be better, xfce will run too, but may be a tad slow with all the swapping
[06:49] <weswh-> i could...it's just a lot of $ for PC66 SODIMMs these days. heh
[06:49] <weswh-> gotcha.
 qmake is know by system but I have another error :D thanks
[06:55] <TheSheep> abd: you need to add the lib directories to /etc/ldconf
[06:55] <abd> why ?
[06:55] <TheSheep> abd: becsuse otherwise the system won't be able to find the .so shared libraries you installed
[06:56] <abd> editing what ?& logout again ?
[06:57] <TheSheep> no, you don't need to log out this time
[06:57] <W8TAH> hi folks - someone told me to install a package called qt3 config -- but im not being able to find it in synaptic -- can someone point me in the right direction?
[06:57] <TheSheep> abd: just add the paths to lib directories at the end of /etc/ld.so.conf
[06:58] <TheSheep> !info qt3-qtconfig | W8TAH
[06:58] <ubotu> w8tah: qt3-qtconfig: The Qt3 Configuration Application. In component universe, is optional. Version 3:3.3.8really3.3.7-0ubuntu5 (feisty), package size 95 kB, installed size 328 kB
[06:58] <TheSheep> abd: then run 'ldconfig'
[06:59] <abd> details abt lib direc
[06:59] <TheSheep> abd: /usr/local/Trolltech/Qt-4.2.3/lib probably
[07:00] <TheSheep> abd: ah, and ldcache needs to be run as root
[07:00] <W8TAH> TheSheep, thanks - -I did it through apt-get -- is that correct (im comming from a different distro and trying to get my feet under me still)
[07:00] <TheSheep> W8TAH: yes, it's fine
[07:01] <W8TAH> cool -- is that stuff not held in synaptic?
[07:01] <TheSheep> W8TAH: you can use 'apt-cache search something' to search for something
[07:01] <W8TAH> kool
[07:01] <TheSheep> W8TAH: it is in synaptic too -- basically, synaptic uses apt-get itself internally
[07:01] <W8TAH> ok- - cool -- sorry for all the ??? trying to get oriented
[07:02] <TheSheep> W8TAH: no need to be sorry, this is a SUPPORT channel
[07:02] <W8TAH> :)
[07:02] <W8TAH> that is welcome to hear
[07:02] <W8TAH> :)
[07:05] <abd> look I'm thinkig in installing the package ready from ubuntu ?? but how get the repository ??
[07:05] <TheSheep> abd: I think there is only qt3 for edgy, but I may be wrong
[07:06] <abd> no I found  qt4 in edgy
[07:06] <abd> but how get the repos
[07:06] <TheSheep> !repos
[07:06] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[07:07] <TheSheep> abd: basically, you need to have the 'universe' repository enabled
[07:07] <TheSheep> abd: then just install the qt4-dev-tools with synaptic
[07:07] <nixternal> libqt4-core as well (in main)
[07:07] <TheSheep> nixternal: shoudn't the dev-tools depend on it?
[07:07] <nixternal> you would think ;)
[07:07] <TheSheep> haha
[07:08] <nixternal> ya, it all ties together, so if you grab even qt4-designer it will pull in everything you need
[07:08] <TheSheep> honestly, one day I will run my own toolkit, just to increase the confusion :)
[07:09] <TheSheep> I will; take a piece from tcl/tk, qt, gtk, gnome-ui, wx, gnustep and swing
[07:09] <TheSheep> and depend on them all
[07:14] <deniz_ogu1> Hi dear friends. I'm trying to edit xorg.conf. I'm in the proper directory: /etc/X11. I can see the xorg.conf file there. But I can open it to edit neither with sudo mousepad xorg.conf nor with sudo vi xorg.conf. Why? What should I do. (By the way, I'm using urxvt terminal emulator because of the known issue that the default terminal crashes x. But it seems to function as a terminal as well.)
[07:17] <TheSheep> deniz_ogu1: what message are yu getting?
[07:17] <TheSheep> you
[07:18] <deniz_ogu1> TheSheep: For mousepad: It opens a blank page. Warns me that I'm root and I should be careful. But the page is totally white blank.
[07:18] <deniz_ogu1> For vi: A blank page opens in terminal. there's only # signs at the beginnig of the lines but there are no actuel lines.
[07:18] <TheSheep> deniz_ogu1: try 'cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[07:19] <TheSheep> deniz_ogu1: did it show you the right content of that file?
[07:20] <deniz_ogu1> TheSheep: yes, with cat it outputs the file. But how to edit it?
[07:20] <hyper_ch> ui, JDK now under GPL 2 :)
[07:21] <TheSheep> deniz_ogu1: did you try to scroll that file? maybe ito nly has empty beginning?
[07:22] <deniz_ogu1> TheSheep: I did but wil try again. Which one do you advice vi or mousepad. (I miss my lovely gedit!)
[07:22] <TheSheep> deniz_ogu1: you can change most settings by doing 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[07:23] <TheSheep> deniz_ogu1: well, if you can use vi, then use it, otherwise use whatever you are comfortable with
[07:23] <deniz_ogu1> Ok that may solve my problem for now. I'm trying to function my serial mouse! :-)
[07:24] <deniz_ogu1> But editing problem is something else. Weird. I've done it in Ubuntu once upon a time. I almost know how to do but can't at the moment.
[07:24] <TheSheep> deniz_ogu1: try with full path: 'sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf;
[07:25] <TheSheep> '
[07:25] <deniz_ogu1> TheSpeep: Is mousepad function in these cases? To edit such files. I want to use the xubuntu defaults at the moment. I don't want to inistall gnome things such as gedit.
[07:25] <deniz_ogu1> TheSheep: nano. i didn't try it. ok i will try with nano.
[07:25] <TheSheep> deniz_ogu1: you can use mousepad as well, better to use gksu than sudo then
[07:26] <deniz_ogu1> is it the same? gksu=? sudo
[07:26] <TheSheep> deniz_ogu1: gksu is more suited for graphical applications
[07:27] <deniz_ogu1> TheSheep: Thank you. I took your time.
[07:27] <TheSheep> deniz_ogu1: I like it :)
[07:27] <kingwalterii> sometimes when i click the shut down button in xfce, it logs me out, other times it actually shuts down...any thoughts on why?
[07:28] <TheSheep> kingwalterii: it should display a dialog with several buttons constrolling what to do...
[07:28] <kingwalterii> it does
[07:28] <kingwalterii> and i click shut down
[07:29] <TheSheep> kingwalterii: that's weird. which version? anything specific in your install?
[07:30] <kingwalterii> it happened in edgy, updated and still happening in feisty
[07:30] <TheSheep> kingwalterii: is it totally random?
[07:30] <kingwalterii> i havent figured out the pattern
[07:30] <kingwalterii> if there is one
[07:31] <kingwalterii> i think it tends to happen when not plugged in
[07:31] <kingwalterii> tends to not shut down
[07:33] <TheSheep> kingwalterii: it's not this? Bug #46571
[07:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 46571 in xfce4 "xfce4 doesnt shut down properly" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/46571
[07:34] <kingwalterii> it drops to the gui login
[07:34] <kingwalterii> and doesnt shut down
[07:36] <TheSheep> kingwalterii: it looks like  something new then
[07:36] <TheSheep> kingwalterii: please report a bug
[07:36] <TheSheep> !bugs | kingwalterii
[07:36] <ubotu> kingwalterii: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[07:41] <kingwalterii> hmm, ok. thanks for the help
[07:42] <TheSheep> thnk you for finding a new bug :)
[07:42] <TheSheep> kalikiana: \o/
[07:43] <kalikiana> hi TheSheep :)
[07:46] <W8TAH> hi again folks -- 2 quick questions for ya -- i would like to add a terminal to my right click menu, and how do i add items to the meuns under applications
[07:53] <TheSheep> W8TAH: use the menu editor form the settings menu
[07:54] <W8TAH> cool
[07:54] <TheSheep> W8TAH: it's only good for adding things though -- all the other ones are included from the autogenerated menus
[07:55] <W8TAH> is it possible to get things into the categories -- for example - -i just added kino, and id like that to be in the mulitmedia menu
[07:55] <W8TAH> ooops
[07:55] <W8TAH> never mind
[07:55] <W8TAH> i goofed
[07:56] <TheSheep> just make such a menu and put the icon there
[08:32] <deniz_ogut> TheSheep: Instead of sudo, gksu mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf worked for me and I managed to edit the file and I can use my serial mouse at the moment. Thanks again. (But I still have a feeling that there's something weird with all these terminal-editor relations. In usuntu this was not the case as far as I can remember. I7m not sure to start a discussion in somewhere such as launcpad bugzilla or not. If you say that everything is normal; a relatively n
[08:34] <TheSheep> deniz_ogut: well, I don't know where to start checking things in your case
[08:34] <TheSheep> deniz_ogut: glad to hear you managed to work around it somehow
[08:35] <deniz_ogut> maybe my hardware (a low end machine) but configurations are the defaults.
[08:35] <deniz_ogut> thank you again. :-)
[08:50] <q-t> Hey I downloaded xubuntu, and it was a rar file, not iso. I am to just extract the rar file and burn what is in it onto a disk?? like a data cd/dvd or do I have to make it an ISO or something??
[08:56] <W8TAH> how do i "un-modprobe" a module
[08:57] <Merchelo> remmod?
[08:57] <W8TAH> thanks
[08:57] <hyper_ch> modeprobe -r
[08:59] <crdlb> it's rmmod and modprobe -r lol
[09:00] <crdlb> but I think modprobe -r is better
[09:06] <hyper_ch> crdlb: dunno... I just man'ed modprobe and it stated modprobe -r
[09:22] <shawn34> Does anyone know of a Dreamcast emulator for linux?
[09:48] <hyper_ch> what's dreamcast?
[09:49] <h3sp4wn> sega games console
[09:49] <h3sp4wn> more interesting would be if someone knows how to build a dreamcast ethernet adapter
[09:57] <abd> while installing using apt-get --> failed , so which command can continue installing ?
[09:58] <Merchelo> try using aptitude instead, or synaptic
[09:58] <h3sp4wn> abd: is this during installation ?
[09:59] <hyper_ch> abd: what error message?
[09:59] <abd> using apt-get
[09:59] <h3sp4wn> you are not being clear
[10:00] <abd>  http://lb.archive.ubuntu.com edgy/main libqt4-dev 4.2.0-1ubuntu6 [4186kB]
[10:01] <abd> Fetched 24.5MB in 1h43m14s (3950B/s)
[10:01] <abd> Failed to fetch http://lb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mysql-dfsg-5.0/libmysqlclient15-dev_5.0.24a-9ubuntu2_i386.deb  Connection timed out [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[10:01] <abd> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[10:02] <abd> the connection is slow in lebanon , it failed to download it , i need to continue not restart , how
[10:15] <cjae_> hello
[10:16] <cjae_> anyone else have problems with deluge crashing on exit?
[10:17] <cjae_> is deluge written in python
[10:18] <cjae_> using 7.04 and python keeps using 101% cpu
[10:20] <cjae_> not to be rude but is anyone awake here?
[10:21] <BFTD> nope
[10:23] <cjae_> BFTD, is that to me?
[10:23] <BFTD> I think so, I was asleep so I missed something
[10:24] <BFTD> I heard about the 101% thing, is it while the program is running, using python?
[10:24] <cjae_> May I ask my questions here?
[10:24] <q-t> I`ve installed xubuntu on a laptop, but the wireless network card isnt working...where can I get the drivers?
[10:25] <BFTD> most certainly
[10:26] <cjae_> BFTD, I assume it runs on python cause when I try to close it the app freezes and my process shows 101% cpu usage
[10:26] <BFTD> what kind of card is it? run "lspci" in terminal
[10:27] <q-t> BFTD: me?
[10:27] <BFTD> q-t yes
[10:27] <q-t> BFTD: I`ll check. I have to restart...brb
[10:28] <cjae_> so I kill it and all seems to be well I don't know if something else is causing the problem? like another app
[10:30] <cjae_> BFTD, are u there?
[10:30] <BFTD> yes
[10:31] <BFTD> what version of python?
[10:33] <Merchelo> ~wifi
[10:33] <Merchelo> !wifi | q-t
[10:33] <ubotu> q-t: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:33] <q-t> BFTD: Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 3B Mini PCI Adapter (rev 04)
[10:33] <cjae_> BFTD, ython gtk2 2.10.4
[10:34] <cjae_> sorry python
[10:34] <W8TAH> hi folks -
[10:34] <W8TAH> im working through the following howto as per the wiki
[10:34] <W8TAH> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185174
[10:34] <W8TAH> to install my broadcom wireless card
[10:34] <W8TAH> im down to were it had me instal the wireless-manager-gnome -- how do i get that to show up in xfc?
[10:35] <q-t> It suddenly worked:P haha
[10:35] <q-t> well, all hail ubuntu:D
[10:36] <cjae_> BFTD, it xubuntu 7.04 with all updates installed
[10:36] <j1mc> W8TAH: try typing "nm-applet" from the command line.
[10:37] <j1mc> W8TAH: don't use the quotes, though.  :)
[10:38] <W8TAH> ok
[10:38] <W8TAH> AHHHH
[10:38] <W8TAH> kool
[10:39] <hyper_ch> BFTD: is it more efficient to have multiple swap partitions among different drives or have one large swap?
[10:39] <cjae_> BFTD, I think I had to install something before I enabled the repositories and used the disc to install python via apt-get and then I got updated a few days ago
[10:40] <BFTD> gbet python 2.5
[10:42] <cjae_> BFTD,  what?
[10:42] <BFTD> sudo aptitude install python 2.5
[10:42] <BFTD> !python 2.5
[10:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about python 2.5 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:43] <BFTD> !info python 2.5
[10:43] <ubotu> python: An interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version). In component main, is important. Version 2.5.1~rc1-0ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 137 kB, installed size 600 kB
[10:43] <j1mc> W8TAH: =)  it works really well in xubuntu.  if you close your terminal, nm-applet will also appear to close, but will appear the next time you reboot.
[10:44] <cjae_> BFTD, why is my system not updating to this?
[10:44] <cjae_> !info python 2.5
[10:44] <ubotu> python: An interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version). In component main, is important. Version 2.5.1~rc1-0ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 137 kB, installed size 600 kB
[10:44] <BFTD> cjae_ you want to keep python 2.4 because a lot of programs need it
[10:45] <BFTD> that's why it won't update it
[10:45] <cjae_> BFTD, so will 2.5 break them or will it install beside it?
[10:47] <cjae_> BFTD, how do I tell what version of python I have?
[10:48] <cjae_> btw this was a fresh install of feisty
[10:49] <crimsun> cjae_: readlink /usr/bin/python
[10:52] <cjae_> Couldn't find package "2.5", and more than 40
[10:52] <cjae_> readlink /usr/bin/python
[10:52] <crimsun> hmm?
[10:52] <cjae_> python2.5
[10:53] <crimsun> yes, that's python 2.5.  It's the default version in feisty.
[10:53] <crimsun> what are you looking for anyhow?
[10:53] <cjae_> look like that is what it was already
[10:53] <cjae_> keeps maxing out cpu
[10:54] <cjae_> I try to close deluge and it freezes and I check process manager and python is at 101% or higher
[10:55] <Jester45> my xorg was 121 before... xfce cpu plugin said other wise
[10:56] <cjae_> as soon as I kill it deluge closes and system runs fine
[10:56] <|Slurpee|> So I am trying to install xubuntu 7.04 on an old compaq prosignia desktop.
[10:57] <|Slurpee|> i can get to the xubuntu boot screen but once I select any opions I recieve "loading isolinux: disk error 58, AX = 4288, drive 9f"
[10:57] <hyper_ch> Jester45: is it more efficient to have multiple swap partitions among different drives or have one large swap?
[10:57] <cjae_> crimsun, hello
[10:57] <|Slurpee|> then I only have option "I/O error, error reading boot cd." "reboot?"
[10:59] <|Slurpee|> i tried new cd-r media.  i can boot into other livecds such as knoppix.  i currently have debian installed on the desktop's hard drive using grub.
[10:59] <|Slurpee|> any ideas ?
[11:00] <scur> tried the cd on another machine?
[11:00] <|Slurpee|> yes
[11:00] <Jester45> hyper_ch: umm, idk for linux becuase its smarter but in windows one swap on the fastest drive, becuase windows only uses one swap and will pick the fastest but the others are wasted
[11:00] <|Slurpee|> i also drive 2 other cd-rom drives
[11:00] <crimsun> cjae_: yes?
[11:01] <hyper_ch> Jester45: idk?
[11:01] <scur> drive? so you've got 3 cdroms in the machine?
[11:01] <Jester45> hyper_ch: i would say for linux to use 1 swap also
[11:01] <Jester45> hyper_ch: i dont know a.k.a. idk
[11:01] <ciro314> my Applications >> System >> Network >> hosts. is empty what should i do?
[11:01] <|Slurpee|> i swapped out the cd-rom drives
[11:02] <hyper_ch> Jester45: ah :) well, I was thinking if you have swap on different drives and you read something from one drive... then the computer could still write to the swap partitions on the other drives... so I thought it might be more efficient
[11:02] <Jester45> hyper_ch: can you copy files faster across  one drive or two at the same time
[11:02] <Jester45> hyper_ch: ok, how are your drives layed out, the partitions
[11:02] <cjae_> crimsun, did you see my problem
[11:02] <hyper_ch> Jester45: so far one big swap partition
[11:03] <Jester45> hyper_ch: if one drive is for system and the other is for /home then put the swap on the /home drive because that should be less active
[11:03] <hyper_ch> Jester45: http://phpfi.com/233087
[11:03] <hyper_ch> root and home are on the same drive.. as is SWAP
[11:04] <scur> |Slurpee|, you've done everything i'd try (but I'm not an expert) :) you could always try netinstalling from debian (i've not done that with ubuntu though, only debian a few years back)
[11:04] <crimsun> cjae_: no, I'm fairly busy ATM.  I'll read backscrool ASAP.
[11:04] <crimsun> backscroll, even
[11:05] <crimsun> cjae_: are you using the newest version of deluge (not in the official Ubuntu repository)?
[11:05] <cjae_> I installed with apt-get
[11:05] <hyper_ch> |Slurpee|: did you also try the alternate install cd?
[11:06] <crimsun> cjae_: that's the old version that has known issues.
[11:06] <crimsun> cjae_: I recommend that you purge that package and use the version distributed on its web site.
[11:06] <cjae_> crimsun, where do you suggest I dl it from?
[11:06] <crimsun> cjae_: from the web site of deluge-torrent.
[11:07] <|Slurpee|> hyper what do u mean by alternate
[11:08] <|Slurpee|> i am able to boot into knoppix livecd with no problems.  if that is what you mean.
[11:08] <blahblahx> i have a ibm thinkpad with a 1.8ghz processor and 128mb or RAM and an ati card
[11:08] <cjae_> crimsun, I believe I installed that one before I did the fresh install
[11:08] <blahblahx> and when i boot into xubuntu 7.04 it gives me a blue screen after loading
[11:08] <blahblahx> with a cursor
[11:08] <blahblahx> i have tried every mode
[11:09] <blahblahx> and it still happens
[11:09] <cjae_> crimsun, and it would not even cache the dl's maybe it was not the offical site
[11:09] <blahblahx> does anyone have a solution for me?
[11:10] <hyper_ch> |Slurpee|: you are trying to install ubuntu feisty, right?
[11:10] <|Slurpee|> xubuntu, yes
[11:10] <|Slurpee|> i ran it on other machines no problem
[11:11] <|Slurpee|> just this compaq is being werid
[11:11] <hyper_ch> well, the installation is normally better from the alternate cd... not from the desktop one
[11:11] <|Slurpee|> how is it normally better?
[11:11] <|Slurpee|> why doesnt everyone just used the alternate cd ?
[11:11] <cjae_> alternate cd is way better
[11:11] <blahblahx> how about me :(
[11:11] <hyper_ch> |Slurpee|: it's less prone to failure
[11:11] <blahblahx> wait is there an xubuntu alternate cd
[11:11] <blahblahx> or just an ubuntu one
[11:12] <hyper_ch> blahblahx: what did you do?
[11:12] <hyper_ch> there are alternate cds to ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu
[11:12] <blahblahx> where can i get them
[11:12] <hyper_ch> as well as desktop ones
[11:12] <blahblahx> link please for the xubuntu one
[11:12] <hyper_ch> blahblahx: from the same place you got the desktop one... just scroll a bit further down until yuo see "Alternate"
[11:13] <blahblahx> oh my problem is this: i have a ibm thinkpad with a 1.8ghz processor and 128mb or RAM and an ati card and when i boot into xubuntu 7.04 it gives me a blue screen after loading
[11:13] <blahblahx> and ive tried every mode
[11:14] <hyper_ch> blahblahx: have you installed feisty already?
[11:14] <blahblahx> no
[11:14] <cjae_> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/feisty/release/xubuntu-7.04-alternate-i386.iso
[11:14] <blahblahx> off the livecd
[11:14] <ciro314> hello. could anybody help me, please? Applications >> System >> Network >> hosts. is empty what should i do?
[11:15] <|Slurpee|> cjae, any faster servers ? ;/
[11:15] <hyper_ch> blahblahx: well, ATI is always troublesome... if you are sure you want to install xubuntu feisty, download the alternate install ced
[11:15] <blahblahx> ok
[11:15] <hyper_ch> |Slurpee|: got bittorrent?
[11:15] <cjae_> does anyone have the address for the official deluge p2p client
[11:16] <hyper_ch> |Slurpee|: or what country are you from?
[11:16] <q-t> hey, doesnt openoffice work in xfce??
[11:16] <hyper_ch> q-t: sure it works
[11:16] <ciro314> cjae_: i prefer transmission bittorrent client. its tiny too
[11:16] <q-t> its all screwy at the toolbar when i start it
[11:16] <hyper_ch> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/feisty/release/alternate/
[11:16] <q-t> doesnt look like it works...
[11:16] <blahblahx> yeah transmission is the best
[11:16] <hyper_ch> q-t: it works for me
[11:17] <cjae_> |Slurpee|, sorry don't know what I used
[11:17] <q-t> hmmm
[11:17] <hyper_ch> q-t: what does not work?
[11:17] <q-t> hyper_ch: the graphics all screwy at the top of the window....
[11:17] <cjae_> |Slurpee|, for some reason the color doesnt change when you send to me
[11:18] <hyper_ch> q-t: you mean you have no buttons and only plain-text?
[11:19] <|Slurpee|> usa
[11:19] <cjae_> does anyone have the address for the official deluge p2p client
[11:19] <TheSheep> q-t: there was someone with identical problem already
[11:19] <hyper_ch> |Slurpee|: http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/DVDs/xubuntu/7.04/release/xubuntu-7.04-alternate-i386.iso
[11:19] <TheSheep> q-t: she was using an intel graphics card
[11:20] <crimsun> cjae_: did you seriously just want to be lazy?  http://deluge-torrent.org/
[11:20] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: well the problem I had with re-isntall was that no theme-pack was auto-installed... but I don't know if q-t has the same issue
[11:20] <crimsun> that's literally a two-second Google search.
[11:20] <cjae_> crimsun, sorry I was just typing it wrong
[11:21] <q-t> TheSheep: Ok, I think thats whats my problem
[11:22] <cjae_> crimsun, got jumped night before last and kicked in the head a lot so my motor skills (typing) and vision are not to great
[11:23] <q-t> TheSheep: I was told that the graphics card on the laptop im using is ATI, but it seems like its Intel
[11:23] <q-t> TheSheep: Is there a solution?
[11:24] <cliebow> cjae_, you ok?
[11:25] <cjae_> sort of just asking for a liitle patients
[11:25] <cjae_> opps little
[11:25] <TheSheep> q-t: I think that reducing the color depth helped temporarily in that particular case, although it's a hrdly an acceptable solution
[11:26] <godless> !info beryl-plugins-unsupported
[11:26] <ubotu> beryl-plugins-unsupported: Collection of extra plugins for Beryl. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.1-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 75 kB, installed size 248 kB
[11:26] <cjae_> hospital released so should be
[11:26] <q-t> TheSheep: I`ll see what I can do. I have to take care of something else right now
[11:26] <godless> how do I find the contents of that package?
[11:26] <q-t> thnx for the help ;)
[11:26] <cliebow> cjae_, where  was this?
[11:27] <cjae_> crimsun, I think this is the one I dl'ed before and would not cache dl's and various other things
[11:27] <cjae_> cliebow, in my driveway
[11:28] <cliebow> in philly?
[11:28] <cjae_> way up in Canada
[11:28] <cliebow> good grief...
[11:29] <cjae_> yeah guy thought I stole his motor bike or something but I think they found out who really did it
[11:30] <cjae_> thanks for asking though
[11:30] <cjae_> the guy apparently has a record of this type of thing
[11:30] <cliebow> i live in Maine..havcnt locked the door for years..some sort of morbid curiousity..
[11:31] <cjae_> It happened in a town off 700 ppl and I never have locked my door before now either
[11:31] <hyper_ch> what's the default gnome irc client?
[11:31] <cjae_> sorry "of"
[11:32] <cliebow> left my camp for four months..when  i got back i knew someone had been in..cause there was a gallon of new milk oj and a dozen eggs put in the fridge that day
[11:33] <cjae_> guess that further proves the whole assuming thing
[11:34] <cjae_> cliebow, At least u got something from it
[11:35] <cliebow> someone'd gathered i was coming home anad picked me upo a few things..island living you see
[11:35] <cjae_> cliebow, very strange though
[11:36] <cliebow> well..ive only had xubuntu a couple days..but if i can help ..holler
[11:36] <cjae_> anyone else here had luck with http://download.deluge-torrent.org/ubuntu/feisty/
[11:37] <cjae_> cliebow, thanks
[12:09] <nopcode> hey
[12:09] <nopcode> i've tried to follow the installation isntructions for the nvidia driver
[12:09] <nopcode> but now X doesnt come up at boot
[12:09] <nopcode> it says "failed to load module nvidia"
[12:09] <nopcode> and "modprobe nvidia" says "error running install command for nvidia"
[12:12] <hyper_ch> nopcode: what nvidia card, what os, what instructions?
[12:12] <nopcode> 8800
[12:13] <nopcode> i found them on some page, dunno
[12:13] <nopcode> some wiki
[12:13] <hyper_ch> and what os?
[12:13] <nopcode> uh, xubuntu
[12:14] <nopcode> with the 2.6.22 kernel
[12:14] <hyper_ch> so it's feisty
[12:14] <nopcode> no actually i installed the previous version
[12:14] <nopcode> but i installed the kernel package from feisty
[12:14] <nopcode> to try and fix a network card issue
[12:14] <hyper_ch> why not upgrade?
[12:14] <nopcode> how?
[12:14] <hyper_ch> !upgrade
[12:14] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[12:15] <nopcode> so i should browse that with lynx now?
[12:15] <nopcode> hmm my sources.list has "feisty" all over the place
[12:15] <nopcode> and i did a dist-upgrade but it didnt download much
[12:15] <Pumpernickel> `cat /etc/issue` will show what release you're on.
[12:15] <nopcode> "ubuntu 7.04"
[12:16] <nopcode> would that be feisty?
[12:16] <Pumpernickel> Yeah.
[12:16] <nopcode> oh, ok sorry then
[12:16] <hyper_ch> Do you have:  Applicatiosn --> System --> Restricted Drivers Manager?
[12:16] <nopcode> hyper_ch: i dont have X at the moment
[12:16] <Pumpernickel> The kernel you have is the one slated to be in Gutsy.
[12:16] <nopcode> Pumpernickel: ah right gutsy was the new version - i confused them
[12:16] <Pumpernickel> (Whcih is horribly unstable at the moment.)
[12:16] <nopcode> hyper_ch: but i followed the instructions about disabling the "nv" module
[12:16] <nopcode> hyper_ch: if thats what you're referring to
[12:17] <nopcode> Pumpernickel: so should i remove the 2.6.22 kernel as well?
[12:17] <hyper_ch> nopcode: you should be able to install from a gui... you shouldn't need to follow any wiki
[12:17] <nopcode> i mean, it didnt solve my issues anyways
[12:17] <nopcode> hyper_ch: i thought installing the nvidia driver always needed manual work..
[12:17] <hyper_ch> not in feisty anymore
[12:18] <nopcode> ok so... is the 2.6.22 kernel from gutsy the source of my problem?
[12:18] <nopcode> it probably didnt get the proper modules for that?
[12:18] <hyper_ch> nopcode: dunno... I don't play with out-of-release kernels
[12:18] <nopcode> ok so i'll uninstall that
[12:18] <nopcode> brb
[12:19] <nopcode> didnt work..
[12:19] <hyper_ch> nopcode: you removed the gutsy kernel and rebooted?
[12:20] <nopcode> hyper_ch: no
[12:20] <nopcode> apt-get didnt remove the kenrnel
[12:20] <nopcode> "pre-removal script returned error status 9"
[12:20] <nopcode> it says something about "error setting debconf flags..."
[12:20] <hyper_ch> nopcode: well boot into the old kernel
[12:21] <hyper_ch> then you should be able to remove the gutsy one
[12:21] <nopcode> ok
[12:21] <hyper_ch> Sysinfo for 'xubi': Linux 2.6.20-15-generic running Xfce 4.4.0, CPU: AMD Sempron 2400+ at 1683 MHz (3371 bogomips), HD: 248/897GB, RAM: 996/1010MB, 137 proc's, 5.47h up
[12:21] <hyper_ch> .20-15 is the current one


[00:18] <JonathanD> InHisName: gotcha
[00:18] <JonathanD> InHisName: we need more... stuff.
[00:18] <JonathanD> InHisName: But if we move quickly, we can chase some leads at fosscon.
[00:41] <InHisName> I got PLENTY of stuff, need more jobs!
[00:51] <JonathanD> InHisName: the stuff we need is companies with jobs.
[00:51] <JonathanD> InHisName: my thinking is, some of the fosscon sponsors and attendees should meet that.
[01:18] <Irishmanluke> installing ubuntu now
[01:20] <Irishmanluke> 12.04 on my laptop
[01:21] <Irishmanluke> so excited
[01:43] <Irishmanluke> so unity is neat
[01:48] <rmg51> Irishmanluke: give it time
[01:48] <rmg51> you may change your mind about Unity
[04:17] <InHisName> Irishmanluke: is this your first experience with Unity ?
[09:44] <rmg51> Morning
[09:46] <JonathanD> hi
[09:54] <rmg51> hi
[09:57] <JonathanD> whats up rmg51
[09:57] <rmg51> us :-D
[09:57] <JonathanD> Yes.
[09:58] <JonathanD> The question, then, is why?
[10:00] <rmg51> stupidity?
[10:00] <JonathanD> Probably that.
[10:30] <waltman> Morning.
[10:31] <waltman> OK, so I'm feeling completely unstressed this morning, but I still woke up at 5:30.  But the difference from beef was pretty subtle.
[10:54] <InHisName> Wow! early conversations.  Amazing what a bright sunny morning will do.
[11:00] <waltman> I need to put some coffee on...
[11:10] <JonathanD> back.
[11:12] <waltman> front.
[11:20] <InHisName> up
[11:21] <JonathanD> Tuna
[11:22] <InHisName> Trout -- smack
[13:43] <jedijf> waltman: congrats doc \o/
[13:45] <waltman> thanks!
[18:06] <MutantTurkey> just got asked this
[18:06] <MutantTurkey> "Open source Q for ya. Where to stick the database? I assume /var but I honestly don't know what's 'standard' and enough apps don't follow it for me to figure it out...."
[18:07] <InHisName> var is one common place, there might be others, but stick with that one.
[18:08] <MutantTurkey> yeah that's what I said
[18:08] <MutantTurkey> doesn't mysql to default /var/lib/mysql
[18:09] <InHisName> I want to change the IP to a diff number.   The DNS has to be local somewhere.  How to find and fix it ?    pbx ~ # nslookup homedomain.co.cc                                     Server:     cdns01.comcast.net                           Address:    <IP_ADDRESS>                                                        Name:       homedomain.co.cc                      Address:    <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:10] <pleia2> MutantTurkey: http://tldp.org/LDP/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy/html/index.html
[18:10] <pleia2> for "standards" (in that they exist and are followed)
[18:10] <pleia2> and yeah, /var/lib/
[18:11] <MutantTurkey> yep
[18:11] <MutantTurkey> thought so
[18:18] <MutantTurkey> GO PENNSYLVANIA
[18:18] <MutantTurkey> we rock
[18:18] <MutantTurkey> in general
[18:19] <JonathanD> We do?
[18:19] <MutantTurkey> especially philadelphia
[18:19] <MutantTurkey> yes we do
[18:19] <MutantTurkey> yes.
[18:19] <JonathanD> ok.
[18:19] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: then why did pleia2 leave us, eh? :P
[18:19] <MutantTurkey> I refuse to accept that... she just pretends to be living the dream life off on the west coast
[18:19] <MutantTurkey> she is secretly dressing up in a santa suit every day to stay under cover
[18:20] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: she doesn't pretend, she just can't tell the differene as long as she's in the holodeck.
[18:20] <MutantTurkey> lol
[18:20] <InHisName> meanwhile all are ignoring my question I tossed out in middle of MutantTurkey's
[18:21] <JonathanD> InHisName: you are trying to find your DNS server IP?
[18:24] <InHisName> I must have setup something in my local network.   It's reporting <IP_ADDRESS>.  Not sure where coming from.  The computer has moved to another octet, need to update
[18:25] <InHisName> I must have some DNS running on my side of NAT.
[18:26] <InHisName> If its here, should be at <IP_ADDRESS>, not sure what to look for.
[18:27] <MutantTurkey> anyone know a Paul Synder?
[18:29] <InHisName> dig not on that machine.  On a different one    dig @<IP_ADDRESS> domain.xyz turns it up.  How to get to it and make a change in A record or whatever.
[18:29] <pleia2> MutantTurkey: his nick is zenoli in #plug
[18:30] <InHisName> I don't know one of those, just an Ed Snyder
[18:30] <MutantTurkey> pleia2: thanks
[18:49] <MutantTurkey> hmmm
[19:04] <waltman> pleia2: I CAN HAZ DOCTORATE!
[19:04] <JonathanD> InHisName: so you need to find the DNS server?
[19:04] <pleia2> waltman :D
[19:05] <MutantTurkey> so frequently does this mac terminal break it makes me insane
[19:05] <MutantTurkey> it is now using 3.76Gb of memoery and not responding...
[19:05] <MutantTurkey> while i am doing important work
[19:07] <InHisName> Yes, I need to find the dns server, it seems to be on <IP_ADDRESS>.  On that machine is a lotta x.conf files.  I've searched for clues, but no luck so far.
[19:35] <InHisName> Arrrrrgggghhh,  finally found where to change the IP ---> hosts file.  It is just reading the hosts file is where the local IP is being found.  I made the change and all queries, come up with the fix.
[19:46] <JonathanD> fixed now?
[19:47] <InHisName> nslookup on machine with dns is updated.  Other machines must be caching it.  Still giving old number.
[21:29] <SamuraiAlba> good bacon to all!
[21:33] <InHisName> SamuraiAlba: would you try going to:  http://<IP_ADDRESS>:52080   and tell me the error you get ?   Bacon to you too
[21:41] <SamuraiAlba> < Hello how are you
[21:41] <SamuraiAlba> I am find
[21:41] <SamuraiAlba> and you ?
[21:41] <SamuraiAlba> So's how s the three bears ?
[21:41] <SamuraiAlba> bye !>
[21:42] <SamuraiAlba> Hello.  How are you?
[21:42] <SamuraiAlba> I am fine
[21:42] <SamuraiAlba> And you?
[21:42] <SamuraiAlba> So how's the three bears?
[21:42] <SamuraiAlba> Goodbye!
[21:49] <InHisName> Ok so you found no errors and just a simple http page about three bears.   Thanks.
[21:50] <SamuraiAlba> I found grammatical and spelling errors
[21:54] <InHisName> among other things
[21:54] <InHisName> My nameserver links broke 6 months ago and now try to fix them.
[21:56] <InHisName> did you see any big black squares alternate 3 & 1 square ?
[21:59] <SamuraiAlba> no I did not
[21:59] <SamuraiAlba> I needed to get to Hive.  Anyone gonna be there tomorrow?
[22:15] <InHisName> Wed is open visits to hive, what is happening Thurs ?
[22:16] <SamuraiAlba> Was just asking
[22:16] <SamuraiAlba> I'm working tonight :(
[22:16] <InHisName> o i c
[22:17] <SamuraiAlba> work poo :(
[22:17] <SamuraiAlba> I was gonna drop off the server
[22:18] <InHisName> you need someone in NJ who is crossing the river
[22:18] <InHisName> I'm already in northern 'burbs far from hive.
[22:21] <SamuraiAlba> yeah
[22:34] <InHisName> know anything about zones, dns, and NS#  A records ?
[22:41] <SamuraiAlba> I know I call tech support LOL
[22:43] <SamuraiAlba> I also know how to block a whole /24 range of internet addresses ;)
[22:43] <SamuraiAlba> DIE YOUTUBE!  DIE!