[01:40] <kdiggdy> hello?
[01:42] <jrib> ola
[01:42] <jrib> hmm
[02:00] <Orgullomoore> hi
[02:01] <jrib> hey
[02:01] <jrib> let me see if I can find the bug again, if you want to help: bugs.ubuntu.com
[02:01] <Orgullomoore> I'll try
[02:04] <Orgullomoore> I found someone who had the same problem as recent as 4 days ago, jrib, but they couldn't fix it eitehr
[02:05] <Orgullomoore> http://www.docunext.com/2007/05/31/xfonts-scalable-bug/#more-664
[02:05] <jrib> I had this problem too
[02:05] <jrib> it's fixable :)
[02:06] <Orgullomoore> jrib: is it this one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/63408
[02:08] <jrib> I think that's different
[02:08] <Orgullomoore> hmm...seems similar
[02:09] <jrib> well the error that you get with configuring xfonts-scalable is the issue
[02:09] <Orgullomoore> okie
[02:09] <jrib> alright, lets do this
[02:09] <jrib> edit your sources.list and change the "dapper" stuff to "edgy"
[02:12] <Orgullomoore> done
[02:12] <jrib> alright, 'sudo apt-get update'
[02:13] <Orgullomoore> lol, I thought this was the bad way to do it :-D
[02:13] <jrib> "not preferred" :)
[02:13] <Orgullomoore> ok, finished that part
[02:13] <jrib> i just want to see if it's this particular version of xfonts-scalable that's the problem or if it's elsewhere
[02:13] <jrib> 'sudo apt-get install xfonts-scalable'
[02:14] <Orgullomoore> xfonts-scalable is already the newest version.
[02:14] <Orgullomoore> and it gave me that same error that I pasted before...
[02:14] <jrib> sudo apt-get --reinstall install xfonts-scalable
[02:15] <Orgullomoore> Reinstallation of xfonts-scalable is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
[02:15] <jrib> eh?
[02:15] <jrib> apt-cache policy xfonts-scalable
[02:15] <jrib> what version?
[02:16] <Orgullomoore>   Installed: 1:1.0.0-6
[02:16] <jrib> oh, it's feisty
[02:16] <Orgullomoore> let's get rid of it! :-D
[02:16] <Orgullomoore> too feisty for me
[02:16] <jrib> I think you are best trying to finish getting to feisty
[02:17] <Orgullomoore> alright, then let's make that work
[02:17] <Orgullomoore> either way
[02:17] <jrib> there are probably many others that are still feisty
[02:17] <jrib> edit your sources.list again and change it to "feisty"
[02:17] <Orgullomoore> done
[02:18] <jrib> 'sudo apt-get update'
[02:19] <Orgullomoore> done
[02:19] <jrib> alright, 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' do anything useful?
[02:20] <Orgullomoore> jrib: umm...too much for me to know, pasting...
[02:20] <Orgullomoore> jrib: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26515/
[02:22] <jrib> nothing essential gets removed, so you should be ok
[02:22] <jrib> this will take a while
[02:23] <Orgullomoore> ok
[02:23] <Orgullomoore> is this gonna fix my problem?
[02:23] <jrib> not by itself
[02:23] <Orgullomoore> oh I see
[02:35] <Orgullomoore> jrib: hmm..so are you gonna stick around for a while-
[02:35] <Orgullomoore> ?
[02:38] <jrib> yeah
[02:39] <Orgullomoore> ok, good
[02:39] <jrib> how long does it say the download will take?
[02:39] <Orgullomoore> we're on get 309...I don't know how many gets there are supposed to be
[02:40] <jrib> ~1000
[02:40] <Orgullomoore> 19m32s, maybe that's the one?
[02:40] <Orgullomoore> but that number fluctuates
[02:40] <jrib> yep
[03:00] <Orgullomoore> jrib: now I got this> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26518/
[03:01] <jrib> do you use RAID?
[03:01] <Orgullomoore> I guess not, cuz I don't know what it is
[03:01] <Orgullomoore> (if not bugspray)
[03:01] <jrib> yeah :)
[03:02] <Orgullomoore> so none or all_
[03:02] <Orgullomoore> ??
[03:02] <jrib> none
[03:02] <Orgullomoore> k
[03:02] <jrib> or leave it blank
[03:03] <Orgullomoore> I still got this error, by the way: Invalid string keyword: chassis-type
[03:03] <jrib> k
[03:03] <jrib> is apt-get done?
[03:03] <Orgullomoore> it's unpacking everything
[03:03] <jrib> ok
[03:04] <jrib> this is the part where you cross your fingers
[03:05] <Orgullomoore> heh
[03:05] <Orgullomoore> well...I got some errors
[03:05] <jrib> uh oh, pastebin?
[03:06] <Orgullomoore> jrib: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26519/
[03:08] <jrib> sudo apt-get remove xserver-xorg-driver-savage
[03:09] <jrib> then: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  again and pastebin errors again
[03:10] <Orgullomoore> jrib: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26520/
[03:11] <Orgullomoore> and it says the same thing when I try dist-upgrade
[03:11] <jrib> apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-driver-savage   is it installed?
[03:13] <Orgullomoore> Installed: 1:<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1
[03:13] <jrib> well lets see what apt-get suggests.  What does 'sudo apt-get install -f' think is a good idea?
[03:14] <Orgullomoore> jrib: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26521/
[03:14] <jrib> the packages changed names to *video* instead of *driver* which is why this is happening
[03:16] <jrib> you comfortable if you get dropped out of X and into a shell?
[03:17] <Orgullomoore> umm...not very comfortable
[03:20] <jrib> Orgullomoore: output of: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26522/
[03:27] <Orgullomoore> jrib: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26523/
[03:27] <jrib> ok, I *think* you'll be ok in X if we remove it and then add it back
[03:28] <jrib> but, just in case... do you have some way of getting back if it doesn't?
[03:28] <jrib> here's what we'll do:  we'll agree to what 'apt-get -f install' suggests, then 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop', then 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' for good measure
[03:30] <jrib> wait
[03:30] <jrib> I have a better idea
[03:30] <Orgullomoore> good...cuz I have no way of getting back in :-/
[03:30] <jrib> try: sudo dpkg -r xserver-xorg-driver-savage    does that succeed?
[03:30] <jrib> Orgullomoore: you always have a live cd
[03:31] <Orgullomoore> jrib: dependency problems
[03:31] <Orgullomoore> yeah, I think I have an ubuntu live cd
[03:31] <jrib> are you able to do 'sudo apt-get install irssi'?
[03:32] <Orgullomoore> no
[03:32] <jrib> k
[03:32] <Orgullomoore> it doesn't want me to touch anything apt because of the "dependency problems"
[03:32] <jrib> go for 'sudo apt-get -f install' and if something happens that you need to go to a terminal (ctrl-alt-f1), then do 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[03:33] <Orgullomoore> ok
[03:37] <Orgullomoore> it's unpacking a bunch of stuff..
[03:37] <jrib> yeah, it installed some stuff too in addition to removing X
[03:39] <Orgullomoore> I have python 2.5 now :D
[03:39] <jrib> and you're still here!
[03:39] <Orgullomoore> lol
[03:39] <jrib> apt-get done?
[03:39] <Orgullomoore> still doing stuff
[03:40] <Orgullomoore> ok, now it's done
[03:40] <Orgullomoore> and our friend is back
[03:40] <Orgullomoore> Errors were encountered while processing:
[03:40] <Orgullomoore>  xfonts-scalable
[03:40] <Orgullomoore>  apache
[03:40] <jrib> ok
[03:40] <jrib> sudo apt-get remove xfonts-scalable
[03:41] <Orgullomoore> I think it did it...
[03:41] <jrib> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[03:41] <Orgullomoore> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26524/
[03:42] <Orgullomoore> and this is what it says about ubuntu-desktop, jrib: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26525/
[03:43] <jrib> k, I want to take care of xfonts-scalable first since right now it should be ok to remove
[03:43] <jrib> can you pastebin /var/lib/dpkg/info/xfonts-scalable.postrm
[03:45] <jrib> apt-cache policy dmidecode  too
[03:46] <Orgullomoore> jrib: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26526/
[03:46] <jrib> Orgullomoore: the contents, I meant, gedit /var/lib/dpkg/info/xfonts-scalable.postrm
[03:46] <Orgullomoore> ohh
[03:46] <Orgullomoore> here is dmidecode http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26527/
[03:47] <jrib> k, maybe we can upgrade taht
[03:47] <jrib> sudo apt-get install dmidecode
[03:47] <Orgullomoore> here is that file: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26528/
[03:49] <Orgullomoore> here is apt-get install dmidecode http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26529/
[03:49] <jrib> ugh
[03:49] <jrib> apt-cache policy dmidecode  still the same?
[03:51] <Orgullomoore> jrib: yes, still the same
[03:52] <jrib> k, nasty trick time then
[03:52] <Orgullomoore> huff
[03:52] <jrib> edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/xfonts-scalable.postrm and put "exit 0" in the second line
[03:54] <Orgullomoore> jrib: the second non-commented line, or just the second line?
[03:54] <jrib> second line
[03:55] <Orgullomoore> k, done
[03:55] <jrib> k, now remove xfonts-scalable
[03:56] <Orgullomoore> kyle@kyle:~$ apt-cache policy xfonts-scalable
[03:56] <Orgullomoore> xfonts-scalable:
[03:56] <Orgullomoore>   Installed: (none)
[03:57] <jrib> yay
[03:57] <Orgullomoore> heh
[03:57] <jrib> sudo apt-get install dmidecode
[03:57] <jrib> I can't find a useful bug on this issue, it's weird... though I hope upgrading dmidecode makes the problem go away
[03:57] <Orgullomoore> dmidecode:
[03:57] <Orgullomoore>   Installed: 2.8-2
[03:58] <Orgullomoore> looks like we're  upgraded
[03:58] <Orgullomoore> now what?
[03:58] <jrib> k, now: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[03:58] <Orgullomoore> and say yes to all that stuff?
[03:58] <jrib> check what it wants to remove
[03:59] <Orgullomoore> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26530/
[03:59] <Orgullomoore> my python stuff...
[03:59] <jrib> go for it
[03:59] <Orgullomoore> k
[04:01] <Orgullomoore> hmm...so am I gonna have to start using Gnome now_
[04:01] <Orgullomoore> ?
[04:01] <Orgullomoore> (I use KDE right now)
[04:01] <jrib> oh, I assumed that's what you used
[04:01] <jrib> did you press enter already?
[04:01] <Orgullomoore> yeah
[04:01] <jrib> not a big deal, you can have both
[04:01] <Orgullomoore> yep
[04:01] <Orgullomoore> hopefully that won't be a big deal
[04:03] <Orgullomoore> 6 minutes
[04:11] <Orgullomoore> jrib: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26531/
[04:11] <jrib> Orgullomoore: kdm is default for kde
[04:11] <Orgullomoore> ok
[04:11] <jrib> that's the one you are used to
[04:11] <Orgullomoore> good :)
[04:11] <Orgullomoore> now it's in the removing and unpacking stage...
[04:12] <jrib> you mean the cross-your-fingers stage?
[04:13] <Orgullomoore> that's the one
[04:18] <Orgullomoore> hmm...my sound card stopped working all the sudden
[04:18] <Orgullomoore> bye bye music
[04:18] <jrib> what was the player?
[04:18] <Orgullomoore> xmms
[04:20] <Orgullomoore> also check out http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26532/ jrib, I'm not sure if that's going to matter
[04:20] <jrib> should be ok
[04:22] <Orgullomoore> what about this, jrib: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26533/
[04:23] <jrib> Orgullomoore: shouldn't matter unless you've made changes yourself
[04:23] <jrib> make a note and compare later
[04:23] <Orgullomoore> k
[04:26] <Orgullomoore> haha, jrib I don't see squares anymore!
[04:26] <jrib> cool
[04:26] <jrib> apt-get finished?
[04:26] <Orgullomoore> hopefully the soundcard is just temporarily disabled while apt is doing all this stuff...
[04:26] <Orgullomoore> nope
[04:36] <Orgullomoore> holy moly this is taking a while...
[04:38] <Orgullomoore> ok, it's finished, jrib
[04:39] <jrib> k, now: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:40] <Orgullomoore> k
[04:40] <Orgullomoore> hmm...why is there so much to upgrade when I just upgraded?
[04:41] <jrib> :x
[05:00] <jrib> Orgullomoore: everything run alright?
[05:01] <Orgullomoore> jrib: it's still setting stuff up...
[05:01] <Orgullomoore> my soundcard still doesn't work, I might have to toy with that
[05:01] <Orgullomoore> Rebuilding the database. This may take some time.
[05:07] <Orgullomoore> done, jrib
[05:08] <jrib> ok, you should install kubuntu-desktop and dist-upgrade again
[05:09] <Orgullomoore> mm...I think it already did a bunch of kubuntu stuff with that one
[05:09] <Orgullomoore> I saw a lot of K's
[05:09] <jrib> after that is done, dist-upgrade one more time to make sure it says everything is fine, reboot (cross fingers), and dist-upgrade one last time
[05:09] <Orgullomoore> Jesus, that's a lot of dist-upgrades
[05:09] <Orgullomoore> hmm..and what do you recommend to get my soundcard back up?
[05:10] <jrib> well lets see what happens after the reboot
[05:10] <Orgullomoore> mkay, can I skip the kubuntu-desktop part for now?
[05:11] <jrib> sure
[05:11] <Orgullomoore> so am I to run another dist-upgrade or just reboot?
[05:11] <jrib> just dist-upgrade once to make sure it's done
[05:11] <jrib> it should say everything is okay
[05:11] <Orgullomoore> ok
[05:12] <Orgullomoore> 3 upgraded, 7 newly installed, 2 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[05:12] <jrib> k, let it do that
[05:12] <Orgullomoore> k
[05:12] <jrib> well, make sure the 2 to remove aren't important of course
[05:13] <Orgullomoore> k, it's done
[05:14] <jrib> k, now if you try again, does it say everything is ok?
[05:14] <Orgullomoore> everything is 0
[05:14] <jrib> k, reboot
[05:14] <Orgullomoore> k, see ya on the other side (hopefully)
[05:18] <OrgulloKmoore> hmm..well here I am
[05:18] <jrib> good
[05:18] <OrgulloKmoore> xchat's working...before it was just squares
[05:18] <OrgulloKmoore> but..the soundcard is not :D
[05:18] <jrib> oh
[05:18] <jrib> dist-upgrade still shows nothing?
[05:18] <jrib> what sound card?
[05:20] <OrgulloKmoore> E: Couldn't find package dist-upgrade
[05:20] <OrgulloKmoore> E: Couldn't find package dist-upgrade
[05:20] <jrib> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:20] <OrgulloKmoore> that's it
[05:20] <OrgulloKmoore> yeah, 0's
[05:20] <jrib> k
[05:20] <jrib> alsamixer  shows pcm is not muted and master is not muted?
[05:21] <OrgulloKmoore> yeah, nothing's muted
[05:21] <OrgulloKmoore> xmms actually gives me a soundcard error...it doesn't just not emit sound
[05:22] <jrib> aplay /usr/share/sounds/startup.wav    does not work?
[05:23] <OrgulloKmoore> jrib> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26540/
[05:26] <jrib> OrgulloKmoore: sudo aptitude reinstall alsa-base
[05:26] <jrib> !sound
[05:26] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[05:27] <jrib> I'm not that great at debugging sound, but you can try reinstalling alsa and the tips above.  And try #ubuntu.  I don't know if it would help but you can see if there are any options in system -> preferences -> sounds too
[05:28] <OrgulloKmoore> hmpf, looks like I've got some troubleshooting to do, that didn't work, jrib
[05:28] <OrgulloKmoore> well you've been a great help
[05:28] <OrgulloKmoore> one last question...how do I change the screen resolution?
[05:28] <jrib> check bugs.ubuntu.com for similar issues too
[05:28] <OrgulloKmoore> everything's all tiny
[05:28] <jrib> OrgulloKmoore: system -> preferences -> screen resolution  list what you want?
[05:29] <OrgulloKmoore> well I'm on KDE, remember? not the same...
[05:29] <jrib> oh right
[05:29] <jrib> hmm
[05:29] <jrib> try #kubuntu?
[05:29] <jrib> if the gui app doesn't list what you want, see:
[05:29] <jrib> !fixres
[05:29] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:32] <OrgulloKmoore> k, thanks
[05:35] <OrgulloKmoore> uh..now firefox is randomly closing when I open links :*
[05:35] <OrgulloKmoore> (


[00:15] <SpamapS> Hrm.. the runlevel man page says that the environment variable 'RUNLEVEL' will be set .. "during boot" .. but it seems that its not always set on every event.
[00:21] <mbiebl> SpamapS: it is only set for sysv init scripts afaik
[00:23] <mbiebl> or for jobs triggered on the runlevel event
[00:24] <SpamapS> mbiebl: right, I suppose its a readily accessible global variable, so its not that important. ;)
[00:26] <SpamapS> I do wonder if there's a way in pre-start to determine what event caused me to start. I need to only start on started portmap when runlevel != [016]
[00:26] <JanC> I think it's set after telinit is run for the first time
[00:29] <JanC> which happens in rc-sysinit
[00:30] <SpamapS> so its probably set in the scripts..
[00:30] <SpamapS> but not on the events
[00:32] <SpamapS> /etc/init/tty1.conf:start on stopped rc RUNLEVEL=[2345]
[00:32] <SpamapS> Hmm.. ok so if that works..
[00:36] <SpamapS> maybe have to export RUNLEVEL
[01:25] <SpamapS> so yeah, I'm confused. if I add 'export RUNLEVEL' to portmap.conf .. and set it explicitly in the pre-start, main script, or post-start .. its still not matching 'start on started portmap RUNLEVEL=x'
[01:26] <SpamapS> even when I just do export FOO and use that.. no dice. I guess I'm not understanding how export works. :-/
[11:44] <dewey_> could someone help me with an ruby + upstart problem
[11:44] <dewey_> my exec doesn't work, the rb file it executes can't find a required file
[11:45] <dewey_> I've changed the PATH with the current gems folder
[12:27] <dewey_> guys I'm using start program = "su - user -c 'path'"
[12:27] <dewey_> but I'm getting a Error: Could not execute su
[12:30] <Keybuk> is su in your $PATH ?
[12:33] <dewey_> changed it to /bin/su and now it's working
[12:38] <Keybuk> interesting, have you set $PATH in your kernel command-line or job environment?
[12:38] <Keybuk> or is there a different su earlier in your $PATH ?
[12:38] <Keybuk> e.g. a /usr/local/su
[12:52] <dewey_> Keybuk: I'm a newb, this is my PATH
[12:52] <dewey_> .. /home/sysadmin/local/bin:/home/sysadmin/.rvm/gems/ruby-1.9.2-p0/bin:/home/sysadmin/.rvm/gems/ruby-1.9.2-p0@global/bin:/home/sysadmin/.rvm/rubies/ruby-1.9.2-p0/bin:/home/sysadmin/.rvm/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games
[12:52] <dewey_> maybe it's because of RVM? I haven't changed anything but the settings for rvm in my .bashrc
[13:05] <Keybuk> yeah, it's entirely possible you have an extra su in your path there then
[13:05] <Keybuk> so just use exec /bin/su
[13:05] <Keybuk> :p
[13:14] <dewey_> ;p
[18:04] <SpamapS> I heard a rumor that there is a mailing list at upstart.at .. but I couldn't find a link to it there.. help?
[18:09] <Keybuk> http://upstart.at/mailman/listinfo/upstart-devel
[18:09] <Keybuk> though I haven't really formally suggested anyone move off<EMAIL_ADDRESS>yet
[22:36] <Keybuk> trying to decide
[22:36] <Keybuk> ww


[02:25] <Spass> I think that the new "Xfce Terminal" (xfce4-terminal --preferences) menu entry that opens the preferences window should be named "Xfce Terminal Preferences" to avoid users' confusion, because now the menu shows "two terminals", as seen here on a user's screen - http://i.imgur.com/zrJIzUS.png


[15:49] <kazade> hi all, this bug: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/419126 has cropped up in Karmic after recent updates, and my spidey sense says it's to do with recent DRM updates rather than GDM... anyone have any ideas?
[17:10] <bryce_> kazade, yeah sounds like an X crash due to the new mesa git snapshot
[17:25] <kazade> heh, well at least I know not to run my updates tonight ;)
[20:59] <kazade> bryce, you there?
[21:02] <bryce> yes
[21:02] <kazade> just wanted to apologise for not reporting that ATI bug sooner. I figured it was something I'd done. It was only when I saw the other reports that I realized it wasn't just me
[21:02] <kazade> normally I would have reported it
[21:22] <bryce> kazade, no prob.  yeah I know how much reporting bugs can be a pita
[21:22] <kazade> I'm kicking myself now :(
[21:23] <kazade> You know when something happens, and you just think, "oh that was weird" and then carry on and forget about it :/
[21:23] <kazade> have you had any luck tracking down the cause?
[21:31] <bryce> kazade, haven't really looked yet, but we're about a week behind upstream's latest so perhaps it's already fixed there
[21:31] <kazade> ah ok
[21:31] <bryce> kazade, I see xorg-edgers now has a newer version you could test if you want
[21:37] <kazade> bryce, someone in the bug report tried xorg-edgers less than an hour ago, he said it made no difference
[21:41] <bryce> ok


[00:08] <JeZ-l-Lee> why only 61 people in this room and 1500 in Ubuntu's room?
[00:09] <charlie-tca> Why only 70,000 users of Xubuntu and over 1million Ubuntu?
[00:09] <charlie-tca> We are entirely volunteer, no paid developers or management in Xubuntu
[00:10] <notal> are there paid developers for Ubuntu?
[00:10] <charlie-tca> Yes
[00:11] <notal> where does the money come from? Just donations?
[00:12] <charlie-tca> Mark Shuttlework has funded Ubuntu since the beginning
[00:12] <orngjce223> Mark Shuttleworth is filthy rich. :v
[00:12] <charlie-tca> not any more
[00:12] <orngjce223> True enough
[00:13] <charlie-tca> but Mark had the means to make his dream a reality
[00:14] <notal> is xfce developed by volunteers?
[00:14] <charlie-tca> yes
[00:15] <charlie-tca> And I think they do a really fine job of it, too!
[00:17] <notal> seems like it to me
[00:17] <JeZ-l-Lee> I tried to join the Xubuntu user mailing list, but received nothing after subscribing - anyone know why?
[00:19] <charlie-tca> it is kind of low volume, when did you join?
[00:35] <JeZ-l-Lee> charlie-tca - joined the mailing list today
[00:35] <JeZ-l-Lee> but never received a confirmation and I'm not receiving mail from the list either
[00:54] <charlie-tca> Doesn't look like it went throughhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users
[00:54] <charlie-tca> Doesn't look like it went through https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users
[00:55] <charlie-tca> If you don't get the confirmation today, maybe the email address had a mistyped letter or something. submit again tomorrow
[02:56] <crowds> I just install 11.04, but can't seem to find the menu editor, even though the 'software center' says it's installed.  Any idea where I can find it?
[03:20] <orngjce223> crowds: Do you know the name of the package, i.e. can you open Synaptic and tell me what the name says in the name column for that application? If you can, punch that exact name into Terminal and see if it runs.
[03:24] <crowds> hmm, yeah, strange, can't find anything seemingly relevant in synaptic or apropos.  But the 'software center' shows 'Menu Editor' as installed
[03:25] <crowds> not sure what the command for it is though
[03:26] <crowds> any ideas?
[03:31] <bazhang> gconf-editor?
[03:32] <crowds> hmm, no don't think so, it's not installed
[03:32] <crowds> this is a completely fresh install
[03:33] <bazhang> !find gconf-editor
[03:33] <bazhang> !info gconf-editor
[03:34] <bazhang> try from the run menu or a terminal
[03:34] <crowds> yeah, command not found
[03:35] <crowds> should I install it for menu configuration?
[03:36] <crowds> I figured there would be a native xubuntu editor
[03:37] <crowds> google doesn't seem to turn up many results
[03:37] <bazhang> try it and see
[03:40] <crowds> ok, I installed it and runs, but not sure how to edit menus with it
[03:41] <crowds> does it work with xfce and gnome?
[04:15] <crowds> ok, thanks for the suggestions.  I just ended up installing alacarte, which seems to be working fine
[05:02] <xubuntu569> How long should creating the ext4 system create in a 20 gb drive using VMWare player cause my install seems to be stuck
[06:21] <rodney_> hi all. having a problem with ntp on xubuntu. using a fresh install of natty on ext4 FS. installed ntp and ntpdate however on a reboot the only event logged by ntp is  'ntpd exiting on signal 15'. I can stop the service and execute 'ntpq -p' and get a list of the servers in the config file, the first with an '*' which I assume is the one it wants to use. When I try and execute 'ntpdate'  I get '... no servers can be used, ex
[06:21] <rodney_> iting'. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated!
[06:23] <rodney_> oops, sorry about that ... forst part was 'Afternoon all ... having a problem on a fresh install of xubuntu natty getting ntp to work. On a reboot and restart of the service ntp logs 'ntpd exiting on signal 15' .....
[06:27] <rodney_> if I execute 'ntpdate -d -u -server-' is happily chugs off and updates ...?
[11:39] <xharx> how can i edit the menu in xubuntu
[11:44] <knome> xharx, which version?
[11:44] <xharx> natty
[11:45] <xharx> my new libreoffice doesnt start with soffice from the command line...
[11:45] <knome> any menu editor should be okay, like alacarte
[11:46] <xharx> yeah, but where is the file to edit
[11:46] <knome> don't know about that
[11:46] <xharx> ok i understand, the eg alacarte knows it ?
[11:47] <knome> i suppose so, yes
[11:47] <knome> afaik it's not a single file, but all the .desktop files, but i might be wrong as well
[11:47] <knome> i haven't done menu editing in probably years
[12:02] <xharx> thx
[14:38] <jnlsnl_> is it possible to get rid of the icon grid, so I can place and move icons like in gnome?
[14:38] <jnlsnl_> on the desktop
[14:39] <TheSheep> no
[15:11] <jnlsnl_> ok. thanks TheSheep
[15:18] <winfreak> Hi!
[15:18] <winfreak> Xubuntu is so great this year
[15:18] <winfreak> And it's so elegant.
[15:19] <knome> winfreak, thanks for the feedback
[15:19] <winfreak> Switching from Ubuntu/Kubuntu to Xubuntu
[15:19] <winfreak> I mainly work with a macbook, but on the other computers this will replace windows
[15:20] <winfreak> because Xubuntu is like the elegance of OS X + less resources + Ubuntu power = awesome!
[15:21] <winfreak> I've got a question real quick...
[15:21] <knome> sure
[15:21] <winfreak> Is there a way to like share printers and folders in a windows kind of style?
[15:22] <knome> between linux machines, i think ssh is the best way to share files
[15:22] <knome> i don't know about printer sharing though, but i think that should work out-of-the-box
[15:22] <winfreak> But I also have a macbook and some windows pc's
[15:22] <winfreak> (well my father does)
[15:22] <knome> then use samba:
[15:22] <knome> !samba
[15:23] <winfreak> Is there any fancy noob friendly tool to configure it?
[15:23] <winfreak> (I'm not really a n00b but I'm to lazy to mess with config files if there's a simpler way)
[15:23] <knome> i don't know about tools, but the urls posted should be pretty thorough
[15:23] <winfreak> k
[15:23] <winfreak> thank you!
[15:24] <knome> no problem
[15:24] <knome> btw, if you have a blog, feel free to post an article about what you think about xubuntu and post the link here :)
[15:25] <winfreak> I'll do!
[15:25] <knome> thanks
[15:39] <winfreak> I'll restart and come back
[15:39] <winfreak> You XFCE guys are cool
[15:56] <winfreak> I'm back
[15:56] <winfreak> now Xubuntu is fully running on my homeserver / mediawatchthingythatgoestothetelly
[15:57] <winfreak> I just got some more questions
[15:57] <knome> shoot
[15:57] <winfreak> Could you tell me on how I could get my TV card work?
[15:57] <knome> has it worked on ubuntu?
[15:58] <knome> and what card is it?
[15:58] <winfreak> I don't know exactly which one
[15:58] <knome> right
[15:58] <knome> try lspci in terminal
[15:59] <winfreak> and I didn't try on crap buntu cause it made me freak out using gnome
[15:59] <winfreak> I will
[15:59] <knome> then try searching google with the card model and "ubuntu"
[15:59] <knome> (most of the instructions to get something working are the exact same as in ubuntu)
[16:00] <winfreak> It doesn't show up
[16:00] <winfreak> I guess it's broken
[16:00] <knome> hmm, is it a usb one?
[16:00] <winfreak> nope
[16:00] <knome> you can also try "lshw"
[16:00] <winfreak> it's inserted to PCI express
[16:01] <winfreak> This system runs so smooth now, gosh.
[16:01] <winfreak> But I have to wait for it
[16:01] <knome> i know pretty little about tv cards, i'm afraid
[16:01] <winfreak> Gosh! This is much information
[16:01] <knome> heh, yeah, it is...
[16:01] <winfreak> How am I supposed finding something?
[16:02] <knome> try "lshw >lshw.txt" and open lshw.txt with a text editor, if it's easier
[16:02] <winfreak> Let's see....
[16:04] <winfreak> Could it be that one?  description: Multimedia video controller
[16:04] <winfreak>                 product: CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder
[16:04] <knome> yeah, looks right
[16:05] <winfreak> what now to do?
[16:05] <knome> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=conexant+CX23880+ubuntu
[16:06] <knome> at least there are some threads about that
[16:08] <knome> http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Conexant_CX2388x <- i suppose that page could be helpful
[16:09] <knome> and http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Cx88_devices_(cx2388x)#Installation_notes
[16:12] <winfreak> Oh dear...
[16:13] <winfreak> I would have to reconfigure the kernel and do such things
[16:13] <knome> yeah, sometimes devices with linux are definitely not easy
[16:14] <winfreak> But this is like the definition of *not easy*
[16:14] <knome> :)
[16:14] <winfreak> look at the instruction thingy
[16:14] <knome> i did
[16:15] <winfreak> It's like: Build your own kernel with our like untested drivers, be lucky or go f**** yourself.
[16:15] <knome> please watch your language, even obfuscated. thanks :)
[16:15] <winfreak> I will
[16:16] <knome> there is #ubuntu-mythtv, they might know a bit more about tv cards..
[16:18] <winfreak> Asked there.
[16:19] <winfreak> Another one: Is this UltraEdit in the repositorys really for free or is it like shareware?
[16:20] <knome> !info uex
[16:20] <knome> hmm... it does :P
[16:20] <winfreak> xD
[16:20] <winfreak> Nice bot you have thee
[16:20] <knome> afaik, there should be no "shareware" -thing in the repositories
[16:21] <knome> but i think better install it and check
[16:24] <winfreak> YAY; Shareware!
[16:25] <knome> ok
[16:25] <knome> i have to go now
[16:25] <knome> good luck
[16:28] <winfreak> cya
[16:28] <winfreak> Does anybody now if there's a good alternative to UltraEdit?
[21:01] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel at 22:00 UTC today. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[21:09] <xubuntu353> hello was wondering if someone could help me i am installing xubuntu 11.04 and have this error - ERROR: modinfo: could not find nvidia_96
[21:10] <xubuntu353> do i need to start over?
[21:10] <xubuntu353> anyone?
[22:14] <jnlsnl_> How can i make the ctril+alt+t = terminal ?
[22:25] <ochosi> jnlsnl_: go to settings > keyboard > application shortcuts and add "xfce4-terminal" with your shortcut
[22:29] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 30 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[22:45] <charlie-tca> JeZ-l-Lee: did you get a confirmation from the mailing list today?
[23:00] <charlie-tca> Meeting in #xubuntu-devel now
[23:52] <JeZ-l-Lee> charlie-tca - hi, sorry I never received the confirmation from the mailing list