[00:01] <LJSeinfeld> I could launch it at start with the Startup Apps function, but I'd like to make sure the VPN is up before it runs
[00:05] <Unit193> LJSeinfeld: You need to export your display.
[00:06] <Unit193> DISPLAY=:0 transmission-gtk   or   export DISPLAY=:0 somewhere near the top of the script.
[00:06] <LJSeinfeld> lemme give that a try -- thanks :D
[00:06] <Unit193> ps aux | grep auth | sed -n 's/.*X\ \(.*\)\ -core.*/\1/p'    to figure out what display "port"
[00:09] <LJSeinfeld> get a bunch of errors with that -- but "DISPLAY=:0 transmission-gtk" works
[00:10] <LJSeinfeld> any idea on how to make it "let go" of the terminal window?
[00:10] <LJSeinfeld> put an "&
[00:11] <LJSeinfeld> "
[00:11] <LJSeinfeld>  after it maybe?
[00:12] <LJSeinfeld> not even sure what that's called… searching away..
[00:13] <Unit193> You can then type other things, but once you close the terminal window, adios.
[00:13] <howeifeltersnatc> ampersand
[00:14] <LJSeinfeld> sweet , the ampersand did it
[00:15] <LJSeinfeld> thanks
[00:52] <David-A> BillyZane: first I got a little disappointed, but I'd started out with black tea. It turned out lemon and lime works better with green tea. And I liked lemon a little bit more than lime. More tests when I have got the proper kind of green tea.
[00:56] <LJSeinfeld> how do you enable file sharing in Xubuntu?  I installed the file-sharing enabler from Software Center… but I'm not sure how to set up folder sharing
[00:57] <LJSeinfeld> I don't see any options when I get properties on a folder
[00:59] <LJSeinfeld> (in Thunar)
[02:06] <nukke> what's the default terminal emu on xubuntu?
[02:06] <nukke> i can't seem to find any info on google
[02:09] <knome> xfce4-terminal
[02:09] <nukke> alright, thanks
[05:15] <t3tra> sup yall
[05:46] <emmanuel0791> Hello
[05:49] <emmanuel0791> I have a question about Xubuntu 12.10 running on my PC: When updates available ( red sign on task bar ) and i click it and confirm the action to download them while i am in Software-Center the red sign disappears for a moment as it should but then comes bacl with the same message like before " X updates available " .. when i close the SC it works properly.. so is that a bug or a setting maybe? Thank you for your help
[06:01] <lolcat> emmanuel0791: yes
[06:02] <bullgard4> emmanuel0791: What is "bacl"? What is "SC"?
[06:23] <emmanuel0791> I meant back* and SC = Software-Center
[06:28] <emmanuel0791> lolcat: Did you mean " yes " as in bug or setting?
[06:30] <lolcat> emmanuel0791: I meant yes as in: yes [that is like a bug or a setting maybe]
[06:34] <emmanuel0791> lolcat: Oh okay yeah i think that too... but i guess it is more likely a bug since the settings do not give any options about updates ( at least the general settings don't ) ... unless it is something that can be set in Terminal
[06:57] <emmanuel0791> Another question: Is it possible to run Win-software and applications under Xubuntu?
[07:00] <louigi> hey guys! I got a problem which is well explained by someone here but it never got a reply:
[07:00] <louigi> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1758031
[07:00] <louigi> Can someone help?
[07:01] <baizon> emmanuel0791: yes, you can use wine to run windows apps on linu
[07:01] <baizon> *linux
[07:02] <baizon> louigi: try to clear the .cache dir (back it up first)
[07:02] <baizon> emmanuel0791: which apps are running you can check here: http://appdb.winehq.org/
[07:03] <louigi> baizon, will try, okay
[07:03] <louigi> baizon, you think the settings are not being updated?
[07:04] <baizon> yes
[07:12] <emmanuel0791> baizon: Thank you :)
[07:16] <louigi> baizon, cannot back up cache, it says it cannot copy "special file"
[07:16] <baizon> louigi: dont login into xfce
[07:16] <baizon> use terminal
[07:17] <louigi> ah, I see
[07:17] <louigi> are there any other things in the cache that can be important? I see lots of files there! Maybe I can delete just a particular file from there?
[07:19] <baizon> not for me :)
[08:37] <Maccer> Does xubuntu have a development channel?
[08:38] <Maccer> Ah, that it does.
[08:38] <Maccer> (Typed in -dev instead of -devel, sorry.)
[10:08] <john_rambo> flash plugin is installed but cant watch flash content
[10:55] <XATRIX> Hi guys, how can i disable autostart of teamviewer daemon ? I found file that starts it : /etc/init/teamviewerd.conf http://fpaste.org/cM3c/
[10:56] <XATRIX> I checked the Session and Startup in Settings menu of XFCE
[10:56] <XATRIX> But it's not listed there
[11:04] <baizon> XATRIX: check cron dir
[11:04] <baizon> else you can look at session & startup
[11:05] <XATRIX> baizon: which one session & startup ?
[11:06] <koegs> you could also take a look at ~./config/autostart or /etc/xdg/autostart
[11:06] <baizon> XATRIX: ok, so check /etc/cron* dir for a teamviewer entry
[11:07] <XATRIX> koegs: nothing in there
[11:08] <XATRIX> The only file i found is -> ./init/teamviewerd.conf:exec /opt/teamviewer8/tv_bin/teamviewerd -f
[11:08] <XATRIX> in /etc
[11:08] <koegs> XATRIX: how did you activate the autostart?
[11:08] <XATRIX> I simply installed .deb package from official website, and now it starts wine itself and daemon
[11:09] <XATRIX> I need it not so often, so i'd like to disable it autostart
[11:10] <baizon> XATRIX: you can make a script which disables teamviewer
[11:11] <XATRIX> :) maybe it's better to disable script that runs teamviewer everytime i start my PC
[11:12] <baizon> you have for example teamviewer --daemon start/stop
[11:12] <XATRIX> Nope
[11:12] <baizon> XATRIX: a ok
[11:12] <XATRIX> I don't have it in /etc/init.d
[11:12] <baizon> please check rc lvl
[11:13] <baizon> for example install BUM, then there will be a teamviewer entry. Just disable it
[11:13] <XATRIX> Everything is empty
[11:40] <XATRIX> Ok, i removed the symlink in /etc/init/    @teamviewer and it stops to autoload
[12:31] <folmer> I seem to be having trouble with xfsettingsd not loading anymore
[12:32] <folmer> because the display can't initialize (VBOX0)
[12:33] <folmer> so yes, it's on a virtual machine
[12:33] <folmer> any ideas?
[13:50] <rieux_tarrou> Does anyone know why Ristretto stalls when trying to open a .tif? Does this happen for anyone else?
[13:50] <GridCube> never tried one
[14:46] <xubuntu003> hwo use dwm?
[15:27] <victor__> hello! im experiencing issues with thunar. there is a 25 second delay when i click on a directory. then maybe out 20 seconds later a second window pops up. is this a bug or just an issue with my system?
[15:33] <GridCube> victor__, thats when you first open thunar for the day, the rest of the time it works properly
[15:33] <GridCube> correct?
[15:34] <GridCube> then https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/775117
[15:34] <GridCube> its a pretty good known bug
[15:35] <GridCube> you need to follow comment 13 workaround to fix it, or update to xubuntu 12.10 and get xfce 4.10 with its new thunar and there is no more problem
[15:36] <victor__> Thank you GridCube!!!
[16:13] <xubuntu966> ciao a tutti, qualcuno potrebbe darmi una mano con l'installazione di xubuntu ?
[16:13] <baizon> !it | xubuntu966
[16:15] <xubuntu966> Hello folks, someone could help me ? i installed xubuntu, but once i reboot my pc i go straight to Windows 7. I check the partition and i ve 20 giga less ( i partitioned Xubuntu with 20 giga).
[16:20] <GridCube> how did you installed xubuntu¡
[16:20] <baizon> xubuntu966: it seems grub hasn't installed properly, else you would get a menu where you choose your OS
[16:20] <GridCube> ?
[16:21] <GridCube> true
[16:21] <xubuntu966>  ah and how i can "restore" grub? i ve to run again the system trought USB?
[16:21] <baizon> xubuntu966: yes
[16:22] <xubuntu966> ok i ll give a try
[16:22] <baizon> xubuntu966: http://askubuntu.com/questions/88384/how-can-i-repair-grub-how-to-get-ubuntu-back-after-installing-windows
[16:23] <GridCube> the best way is to use simply boot-repair
[16:24] <xubuntu966> Boot repair what exactly does?
[16:25] <GridCube> repairs your boot stage
[16:25] <GridCube> P:
[16:25] <GridCube> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[16:56] <Marcantonio98> Hello
[16:57] <GridCube> !hi | Marcantonio98
[17:00] <Marcantonio98> Thanks... I am Italian I hope that you will succeed with the translator to understand me ;)
[17:01] <GridCube> !it | Marcantonio98
[17:01] <GridCube> :D but you are welcome to stay
[17:02] <Marcantonio98> Thanks :D
[17:06] <GermainZ> I'm having some text tearing issues: parts of the text (words, letters, pixels) randomly disappears while typing/scrolling. Usually clicking forces a refresh and fixes it till I start typing again. Is this a drivers issue? I'd rather hear someone's opinion before downloading the proprietary drivers with my rather slow connection. Thanks :)
[17:13] <GridCube> what is your gpu?
[17:13] <GridCube> do lspci | grep "VGA"
[17:14] <GermainZ> VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF108 [GeForce GT 540M] (rev a1)
[17:25] <GridCube> yes, GermainZ try the drivers
[17:27] <GermainZ> Alright, thanks.
[18:30] <SuperLag> I've got two monitors connected to my system, and when I look at the display options... I don't see a way to change the layout. How do you do that? It's mirroring right now, and I want to have one on the left, one on the right
[18:31] <Cheri703> SuperLag: there isn't an officially supported way to do that in xfce 4.10
[18:31] <baizon> SuperLag: i recommend installing arandr. It's a nice tool which allows you to do configurations for multimonitor
[18:31] <Cheri703> the unsupported way I am using is http://www.webupd8.org/2012/11/how-to-use-multiple-monitors-in-xubuntu.html
[18:34] <SuperLag> :(
[18:35] <SuperLag> it works, but I'm starting to wonder if there isn't something wrong with the video card
[18:35] <SuperLag> the second display is flickering
[18:37] <baizon> SuperLag: wrong refresh rate?
[18:40] <SuperLag> both are running at 60Hz
[19:57] <xubuntu877> can anyone tell me how to unistall ccze in xubuntu
[20:00] <TheSheep> xubuntu877: sudo apt-get purge ccze
[20:10] <Simb3> Hiya!
[20:11] <xubuntu877> thanks The Sheep
[20:12] <Simb3> Folks... just downloaded Xubuntu. Next step is to install it via USB. How to proceed?
[20:46] <emmanuel0791> Question: Is it normal that while i install apps from the Software-Center the Debconfig window pops in several times?? It can get a bit annyoing when i try to type while that so i ask if it is a bug or a setting maybe
[20:49] <emmanuel0791> I use Xubuntu 12.10 by the way
[21:03] <Guest54843> Hi, I looking for someone to help me with xubuntu because the soundsystem isnt working, i need someone who support me in german...
[21:06] <TheSheep> !de | Guest54843
[21:22] <dziki> witam
[21:24] <TheSheep> !pl | dziki
[22:35] <xubuntu665> when i installed xubuntu 12.10 why are there firefox 16.01 and not 19 ?
[22:36] <pleia2> xubuntu665: you have to run updates :)
[22:37] <xubuntu665> not yet.. usally there was the newest firefox without updates i think.
[22:38] <pleia2> no, if you just install from the basic CD you get what was on it when it was released, which is 16
[22:38] <pleia2> so you just want to run regular updates, it'll download the current one in the repo
[22:39] <xubuntu665> I understand.. is it no updates if i let it download updates when installing  ?
[22:39] <xubuntu665> I meen firefox in this case
[22:39] <pleia2> not sure, I'd just suggest you run updates now and see what sows up
[22:39] <pleia2> shows
[22:40] <xubuntu665> I think the same..
[22:40] <xubuntu665> How long can i use this 12.10 ? even after the next comes ?
[22:43] <Luciferis> can i get some help for installing google earth?
[22:44] <Unit193> !info googleearth-package
[22:45] <Luciferis> weel but they're lot; is to build? i start twho?
[22:47] <nantou> im interested too, if its to build version 7
[22:48] <Luciferis> ysorry folks i'm bit stoned.
[23:04] <folmer> heya. I seem to be having trouble with xfsettingsd which cannot start due to an error with initialization of a display called VBOX0 (yes, it's a VM). I have no idea where to start looking for a solution or what to do about it
[23:08] <folmer> It just happened from one day to the next.


[22:32] <Kalmi_> AdamVidars, what are you tring to install and why?
[22:33] <lovinglinux> bill_lm: qual seu problema?
[22:33] <alex_dinamo> but this is the third attempt, and it doesn't work
[22:33] <ZykoticK9> AdamVidars, (if the file is set to executable) open a terminal and then type "./NAME_OF_FILE.bin" - good luck
[22:33] <DanaG> yo, isn't postgresql in the package manager?
[22:33] <alex_dinamo> is anyone here willing to listen?
[22:33] <quinn> hello
[22:33] <raylu> !anyone | alex_dinamo
[22:33] <raylu> je||y: uh...
[22:33] <raylu> je||y: virtual memory is a concept the kernel maintains
[22:33] <alex_dinamo> ubottu, I just said it
[22:33] <raylu> je||y: you mean physical memory?
[22:33] <guntbert> midnajt_: see https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA (a bit farther down on that page)
[22:34] <raylu> alex_dinamo: ubottu is telling you to _not_ say it
[22:34] <alex_dinamo> ubottu, ugrade segfaults
[22:34] <AdamVidars> ZykoticK9: I tried that .. :S
[22:34] <je||y> raylu> je||y: the point is, there's not much difference in speed. the major thing it brings to the table is the >4GB virtual memory
[22:34] <lovinglinux> alex_dinamo: ubottu is a bot.
[22:34] <ldiamond> i finally decided to install the older version of MySql using the synaptic package manager, however, it fails to install.... what can I do?
[22:34] <raylu> je||y: yeah. the 64-bit OS has more than 4GB of virtual memory. it has nothing to do with your physical memory
[22:34] <alex_dinamo> great... a bot
[22:34] <raylu> je||y: virtual memory maps to physical memory, though
[22:34] <emacsian> Kalmi_: I hope you got my problem, or do I explain again
[22:34] <alex_dinamo> anyone _real_ here that has any idea?
[22:35] <raylu> je||y: so if you have 4 or more GB of physical memory, you won't be able to ues it all
[22:35] <ZykoticK9> AdamVidars, so in the terminal first run "chmod +x ./FILENAME.bin" then try "./FILENAME.bin"
[22:35] <bill_lm> estou usando 9.04 meu note esta como server, e toda vez que vou passar uma grande quantidade de dados para outo pc ele trava
[22:35] <raylu> je||y: *use
[22:35] <guntbert> !patience | alex_dinamo
[22:35] <ZykoticK9> AdamVidars, remember i have NO idea what your running!!!
[22:35] <raylu> !es | bill_lm
[22:35] <lovinglinux> alex_dinamo: sometimes it gives nice tips. I new about a very nice script because of it. So, it's a bot, but it is useful.
[22:35] <farchumbre> I DELETED ALL DEB PACKAGES THAT APPEAR IN  'COMPUTER JANITOR' AND NOW I CAN'T UPDATE UBUNTU ANY MORE. UPDATE MANAGER ALWAYS SAYS THAT THE SYSTEM IS UP-TO-DATE, FOR A MONTH ALREADY
[22:35] <raylu> !details | alex_dinamo
[22:35] <alex_dinamo> this is my third attempt at upgrading... and I am not a newbie.. maybe something escapes me, but I am not a newbie, and upgrade either segfaults or breaks with a message about a python package
[22:35] <raylu> farchumbre: "sudo aptitude update"
[22:35] <DanaG> !caps | farchumbre
[22:36] <farchumbre> THANKS
[22:36] <raylu> alex_dinamo: perform the upgrade and show us the output?
[22:36] <Weed37> trying to get wine working any ideas guys or is there a chan on this server ?
[22:36] <AdamVidars> ZykoticK9:  It's Enemy Territory game setup, but theres a thing I dno how to CD to the desktop :$:P
[22:36] <pizzledizzle> is it possible to remap alt-f1 to a single key in X?
[22:36] <axisys> where is the correct place to drop a script called by cronjob.. i have it in my home dir write now.. i could make a /usr/cron dir and keep the cron scripts in there .. suggestions?
[22:36] <bill_lm> um exemplo é se passo uma imagem de dvd  e trava e tenho que reiniciar na força
[22:36] <raylu> !work | Weed37
[22:36] <DanaG> !info postgresql
[22:36] <raylu> what's with the flood of inspecific questions?
[22:36] <yasasvy1> farchumbre: or try update-manager -c
[22:36] <DanaG> Look, postgresql is in the repos... why not use it?
[22:36] <farchumbre> ubottu: what's the difference between aptitude and apt-get
[22:36] <Kalmi_> emacsian, um... get a CD.... sorry, I have no idea how to run fsck online... :S
[22:36] <ZykoticK9> AdamVidars, "cd Desktop" with a capital D
[22:36] <raylu> axisys: who's crontab?
[22:36] <Weed37> i am looking for the wine help chanell
[22:36] <axisys> raylu: root's
[22:36] <AdamVidars> ah that worked ZykoticK9 thx :P
[22:36] <je||y> raylu do you mean "if I don't have 4 GB of PHYSICAL memory, I wont be able to use all of my VIRTUAL memory?"
[22:37] <raylu> !aptitude | farchumbre
[22:37] <ninadsp> axisys: /etc/cron.daily maybe? if its a daily one...
[22:37] <emacsian> Kalmi_: yeah that's the real problem, the CD drive doesn't work
[22:37] <eseven73> My apt-get is repeating twice for everything even apt-cache search, and it takes a long time to read "Reading Database"
[22:37] <raylu> je||y: no. you always have 4GB of virtual memory with a 32-bit OS
[22:37] <alex_dinamo> gksu "sh /cdrom/cdromupgrade" -> upgrade window opens, then disappears
[22:37] <axisys> ninadsp: no it is a cronjob belongs to root runs as fs changes ..
[22:37] <alex_dinamo> or
[22:37] <raylu> je||y: some of it maps to physical memory, and hopefully the rest of it maps to swap or is unpaged
[22:37] <alex_dinamo> gksu "sh /cdrom/cdromupgrade" -> segmentation fault
[22:37] <DanaG> manikanta_: yo, why not use the packaged postgresql?
[22:37] <guntbert> !wine | Weed37
[22:38] <Kalmi_> emacsian, PXE boot :D
[22:38] <alex_dinamo> this is a newly installed 8.10, I just kept my home
[22:38] <raylu> eseven73: /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:38] <Kalmi_> emacsian, PXE booting is a lot of fun...
[22:38] <AdamVidars> how can I enable so I get write permission to evrything? ><
[22:38] <raylu> axisys: perhaps /root
[22:38] <emacsian> Kalmi_ oh yeah :)
[22:38] <ninadsp> axisys: if its root, then more the reason for it to be in /etc/cron.* directories...
[22:38] <AdamVidars> Cause I cant install the game now to /usr/local/games/ ><
[22:38] <angus_> Hi folks, stuck a dvd in I wanted to watch, movie player says I don't have permission. What gives?
[22:38] <lovinglinux> bill_lm: o que você está usando para tranferência? Samba, ssh?
[22:38] <DanaG> !libdvdcss
[22:38] <ZykoticK9> AdamVidars, you cant!  this is not Windows!  thank heavens :)
[22:38] <alex_dinamo> raylu, did you read that
[22:38] <midnajt_> guntbert: thx that helped
[22:38] <ninadsp> angus_: libdvdcss?
[22:38] <ed_debian> AdamVidars, Having permission to everything in the filesystem is bad
[22:38] <Kalmi_> emacsian, oh... I got an idea... you could add gparted to grub and boot it into ram... I have done that once
[22:38] <je||y> raylu: im thoroughly confused
[22:38] <ruler> did ubuuntu have audio and video converter
[22:39] <raylu> alex_dinamo: yes. not familiar with cdromupgrade, sorry
[22:39] <guntbert> midnajt_: fine :)
[22:39] <Kalmi_> emacsian, I mean the livecd
[22:39] <lusepuster_> Hello  channel; can anyone tell me how I can get my tv-.out to work?  Is the tv supposed to  show up in the Screens menu?
[22:39] <alex_dinamo> raylu, hahaha
[22:39] <guntbert> !sudo | AdamVidars
[22:39] <AdamVidars> all I want to do is install this fucking game and play lol xD
[22:39] <ninadsp> ruler: mencoder and ffmpeg...
[22:39] <ed_debian> if you want to do something to /usr/local/games/bin (or whatever) just install that package as root
[22:39] <raylu> ruler: mediacoder is a general purpose one. if you have two specific formats, i can recommend something better, perhaps
[22:39] <alex_dinamo> anyone familiar with cdrom upgrade around here?
[22:39] <raylu> je||y: this is fairly low-level stuff that you shouldn't concern yourself with if you don't care :D
[22:39] <ed_debian> AdamVidars, Did you download a .deb package??
[22:39] <angus_> minadsp: If it was a codec issue, the the movie player would automatically download it, right? It did when I wanted to watch some divxed beavis and butthead
[22:39] <AdamVidars> ed_debian: no it's a .run file
[22:39] <emacsian> Kalmi_: add gparted to grub ?  sorry I didn't get you
[22:40] <DanaG> AdamVidars: what game?
[22:40] <ninadsp> alex_dinamo: what happened with the cdrom upgrade? what is ur current version?
[22:40] <je||y> raylu: i just want to know if it's worth it to get 64 bit ubuntu or not.
[22:40] <ruler> minadsp: weather it can convert all type of fomat
[22:40] <ed_debian> AdamVidars, ?? .run?  I have never heard of that
[22:40] <AdamVidars> im inside the installation now, but I can't install it to /usr/local/games/ cause I dont have permission, and the game is: Enemy Territory.
[22:40] <axisys> ninadsp: it is not part of crond .. it is called by incrond .. it triggers at fs change .. using inotify (learned it here too)
[22:40] <mver> looking for help on mysql date arithmetic, but #mysql channel seems pretty dead. Any suggestions for a chanel?
[22:40] <ninadsp> angus_: yes.. it should which one are u using?
[22:40] <raylu> je||y: how much ram do you have and what do you use your machine for?
[22:40] <DanaG> hmm, google for the game name and "deb", and you may find packages for it.
[22:40] <alex_dinamo> ninadsp, newly installed 8.10... upgrading to 9.04...
[22:40] <ed_debian> AdamVidars, Just throw a sudo in front of the command you're trying to run
[22:40] <alex_dinamo> ninadsp, newly installed 8.10... upgrading to 9.04... segmentation fault on upgrade
[22:40] <ninadsp> ruler: they do cover most of the formats...
[22:40] <eseven73> My apt-get is repeating twice for everything even apt-cache search, and it takes a long time to read "Reading Database"
[22:41] <ninadsp> axisys: ohh... then i dunno... :)
[22:41] <ZykoticK9> AdamVidars, exit the installer -then run it again as "sudo <the rest of the command>"
[22:41] <angus_> ninadsp: Just the default one that comes with 9.04, haven't bothered downloading vlc yet
[22:41] <raylu> eseven73: did you see my last message?
[22:41] <quinn> hello
[22:41] <AdamVidars> oki
[22:41] <axisys> i see there is a /etc/incron.d folder .. may be i put it there
[22:41] <quinn> i need to install avant window manager
[22:41] <ninadsp> alex_dinamo: did you do an md5sum on the cd?
[22:41] <raylu> angus_: you make it sound like VLC is in someway superior :P
[22:41] <ed_debian> quinn, sudo apt-get install awm
[22:41] <alex_dinamo> ninadsp, it is an image, just downloaded
[22:41] <Kalmi_> emacsian, yeah... extract the contents of the gparted livecd... have a look at how it boots (it uses grub) and add it to grub
[22:41] <quinn> thank you
[22:41] <alex_dinamo> ninadsp, loop mounted
[22:42] <DanaG> I don't like vlc... it completely ignores styles and positions specified in mkv subtitles.
[22:42] <angus_> raylu: I just like cross compatible things, I like having vlc on friends mac's, and on windows.
[22:42] <alex_dinamo> ninadsp, no errors on download
[22:42] <ninadsp> alex_dinamo: try doing a md5sum.. faulty image downloads do give problems... :)
[22:42] <raylu> angus_: mplayer is cross-platform
[22:42] <Kalmi_> emacsian, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-879834.html something like this.... the "toram" is important
[22:42] <angus_> So how do I give myself permission to watch a dvd? Reboot and go into windows? :P
[22:42] <ninadsp> alex_dinamo: if the md5sum doesnt match, then there have been errors...
[22:42] <alex_dinamo> ninadsp, mmm.. that would be strange, since I downloaded two images from different mirrors, both upgrades failed
[22:42] <Kalmi_> !dvd | angus_
[22:43] <eseven73> raylu, I only have a sources.list directory It seems
[22:43] <guntbert> alex_dinamo: I would not try a system upgrade from a loop mounted iso, but maybe I'm just timid :-)
[22:43] <raylu> eseven73: in /etc/apt? which version of ubuntu?
[22:43] <ruler> minadsp: please tell how to install  it
[22:43] <eseven73> 8.04 server
[22:43] <DanaG> I installed acroread to get rid of that damned fullscreen-hogging evince.
[22:43] <emacsian> Kalmi_: thank you. will try that
[22:43] <ninadsp> alex_dinamo: then it might be a problem with that particular iso build
[22:43] <alex_dinamo> guntbert, then they should not advertise that as an option, don't you think?
[22:43] <alex_dinamo> ninadsp, what does that mean?
[22:43] <DanaG> I HATE having my document reader steal my whole screen when I try to play or pause my music.
[22:43] <Kalmi_> emacsian, and fix the cd drive... :)
[22:43] <ninadsp> guntbert: i've done it a few times... i've never had problems :)
[22:43] <eseven73> raylu, nevermind found it, now what?
[22:43] <alex_dinamo> ninadsp, where do I get "the right one"?
[22:44] <guntbert> alex_dinamo: where do "they" advertise that?
[22:44] <emacsian> Kalmi_: sure, will do that will definitely come handy :)
[22:44] <alex_dinamo> gunni, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JauntyUpgrades
[22:44] <dva5912> Anyone got a check list for installation?
[22:44] <alex_dinamo> gunni, Upgrading Using the Alternate CD/DVD
[22:44] <ninadsp> alex_dinamo: if you are facing issues with multiple isos, after getting correct md5sums, then you should contact someone who manages the mirrors...
[22:44] <farchumbre> IS ANYONE USING THINKFINGER?
[22:44] <alex_dinamo> gunni, it's official documentation, isn't it?
[22:44] <eseven73> farchumbre, please turn off the caps
[22:45] <farchumbre> ok
[22:45] <alex_dinamo> ninadsp, that's just great, so I am the first one running into this?
[22:45] <raylu> eseven73: now... does it look messed up? pastebin it, perhaps
[22:45] <alex_dinamo> lol lol lol
[22:45] <ninadsp> alex_dinamo: before reporting issues with the iso builds, will you please try checking the md5sums?
[22:45] <eseven73> raylu, ok
[22:45] <alex_dinamo> ninadsp, yeah, sure
[22:45] <dva5912> Someone want to give me the plusses of installing ubuntu vs. keeping Vista Ultimate?
[22:45] <ronen> hello
[22:45] <farchumbre> I have a problem using thinkfinger with keyboard layouts
[22:45] <angus_> help me out, the dvd help page wants me to open up a command prompt so I can type in a sudo apt get command. What's the keyboard shortcut for the terminal?
[22:45] <ninadsp> alex_dinamo: dunno... i havent been on this channel for long...
[22:45] <ronen> i need help with ubuntu
[22:45] <ronen> can anyone help me?
[22:46] <ed_debian> ronen, Just ask your question (that's the common practice)
[22:46] <yasasvy1> !ask | ronen
[22:46] <alex_dinamo> maybe I am wrong, correct me... isn't this sort of official forum?
[22:46] <ninadsp> angus_: alt+f2 and gnome-terminal
[22:46] <axisys> raylu: took your suggestion and put it /root
[22:46] <ZykoticK9> dva5912, use the offtopic for questions of that nature - this is suppose to be for support
[22:46] <axisys> in /root that is
[22:46] <guntbert> alex_dinamo: ninadsp: never seen that, will try it next time :-)
[22:46] <raylu> axisys: that makes me wonder what /etc/cron* is for
[22:46] <axisys> raylu: system cronjobs .. not belong to root user
[22:47] <ninadsp> guntbert: just make sure tht u've mounted it at /cdrom :)
[22:47] <ronen> ok
[22:47] <ronen> i just installed ubuntu
[22:47] <axisys> raylu: and i think they are event triggerd
[22:47] <alex_dinamo> gunni, I guess this is not an official place to get help, I thought so.. sorry
[22:47] <administrator> hello
[22:47] <farchumbre> is anyone experience problems with multi keyboard layouts, when using an external usb keyboard or thinkfinger?
[22:47] <ed_debian> ronen, what is your question
[22:47] <administrator> whats your question
[22:47] <quinn> i tried sudo apt-get install awm and it didn't work
[22:47] <guntbert> ninadsp: advice taken :-)
[22:47] <axisys> raylu: like at boot for example
[22:47] <administrator> hw come it wudnt worl
[22:47] <ed_debian> quinn, What did it say?
[22:47] <administrator> fuck u
[22:47] <quinn> an error
[22:48] <administrator> what error
[22:48] <ninadsp> quinn: awm or awn?
[22:48] <administrator> btw whats awn?
[22:48] <quinn> let me try it agian
[22:48] <LjL> !language | administrator
[22:48] <lusepuster_> bump - trying to get s-video/tv-out to work - is the tv supposed to show up in the screens  dialog or...?
[22:48] <guntbert> alex_dinamo: lets check once more - the md5sum is ok?
[22:48] <ed_debian> quinn, Yeah I think I meant to saw awn (avant window navigator)
[22:48] <farchumbre> is anyone using multi keyboard layouts?
[22:48] <ed_debian> meant to say*
[22:48] <alex_dinamo> gunni, guess what? network udate also segfaults.. this is just great
[22:48] <ninadsp> alex_dinamo: if the md5 sum matches, you can look up launchpad.net or the ubuntu.com site to see which admins you can contact, to correct the issue
[22:48] <administrator> sorry ubottu
[22:49] <ed_debian> ronen, Do you have a question?
[22:49] <angus_> No luck, I tried to install the libdvdthingywotsit, it installed, but the media player still says I don't have permission.  I cant even extract things to locations and stuff ;<
[22:49] <eseven73> raylu, http://paste.ubuntu.com/184580/
[22:49] <ZykoticK9> lusepuster_, "bump" that's funny -- what video card are you using?  for tv out you almost certainly will also need the driver for your video card also working.
[22:49] <alex_dinamo> ninadsp, nah... network update also faults... on a newly 8.10 installed system? gotta be kidding
[22:49] <ninadsp> administrator: awn is supposed to be a dock... if i am not wrong
[22:49] <administrator> ooh ok ninadsp
[22:49] <guntbert> AdamVidars: you've been told at least twice to use sudo
[22:49] <kerebrus> ZykoticK9: Still does work
[22:49] <alex_dinamo> seems like 9.10 simply doesn't cut it... would not be the first time
[22:50] <AdamVidars> guntbert: how can I sudo when i extract? :S
[22:50] <administrator> what didnt you get any help from forums
[22:50] <ed_debian> quinn, if you type sudo apt-get install aw and then hit tab twice you will see all the packages that start with "aw"
[22:50] <ninadsp> alex_dinamo: 8.10 or 9.10?
[22:50] <alex_dinamo> maybe this is seriously the last ubuntu I install.. its no fun when upgrade smears your machine and you lose your weekend
[22:50] <alex_dinamo> ninadsp, 8.10 -> 9.10, I thought I said that before
[22:50] <ninadsp> ed_debian: pressing tab after apt-get install gets package names?
[22:50] <ed_debian> AdamVidars, In linux you don't have write permissions to anything except your home folder (sort of like the my documents folder in windows)
[22:51] <alex_dinamo> ninadsp, 8.10 is newly installed
[22:51] <farchumbre> is there anyway to remove pulseaudio? i have to killall pulseaudio everytime i start up, otherwise sound does not work
[22:51] <lusepuster_> ZykoticK9, it's an intel 945GM
[22:51] <guntbert> AdamVidars: for *special" purposes there is "sudo -i", but ...
[22:51] <ninadsp> alex_dinamo: ohh... sorry... hadnt read it all...
[22:51] <AdamVidars> okay I open the .zip file, I chose extract, I can't write sudo anywhere its no near the terminal -.-
[22:51] <ed_debian> ninadsp, It shows packages matching what you've started to type yes
[22:51] <yasasvy1> !sudo | AdamVidars
[22:51] <ed_debian> AdamVidars, You can extract it to anything inside /home/AdamVidars
[22:52] <alex_dinamo> ninadsp, maybe I just need to get to the idea that ubuntu upgrades are simply a joke... had the same problem when upgrading to 8.04 from previous... it blew all the time and had ton fresh install it sucks
[22:52] <ninadsp> !gksu | AdamVidars
[22:52] <quinn> can you guys help me i treid sudo apt-get install awm but it came back error couldn't find awm
[22:52] <administrator> hey can anyone provide me rapidshare id password
[22:52] <ed_debian> quinn, sudo apt-get install aw (and then hit tab twice)
[22:52] <lusepuster_> ZykoticK9, is this supposed to run a specific odd driver to have a TV out to work?
[22:52] <ninadsp> gtg ppl...
[22:52] <ed_debian> or search awn in synaptic
[22:52] <stanis_sh> Hello. Is it possible to use ModeLine xorg option in 9.04?
[22:52] <quinn> i did and it didn't work
[22:52] <AdamVidars> ed_debian: I need to extract it to the Enemy territory directory.. it's a mod :P and maps
[22:52] <angus_> how strange, it's working now, I clicked on bbc, listened to a radio stream, now it seems to want to play. Thanks for your help guys
[22:52] <ldiamond> This is giving me a headache!! I'm trying to install Apache2 MySQL, etc, but Apache2 wont work! I installed it using apt-get and now /etc/init.d/apache2 start doesnt work.
[22:53] <Seeker`> administrator: no
[22:53] <incorrect> e
[22:53] <quinn> hello
[22:53] <guntbert> quinn: do as ed_debian  said
[22:53] <ed_debian> extract it somewhere easy then as root (gksu nautilus or something) move the files to where you want them
[22:53] <alex_dinamo> ok.. let's get the hell out of here and reinstall the machine... upgrade sucks... last ubuntu distro I try... let's find another one
[22:53] <Metal> For some reason I cannot play any games or watch videos on youtube without it lagging to hell. Anyone know why?
[22:53] <farchumbre> how can i download all the deb packages i remove using 'computer janitor'?
[22:53] <quinn> i did and it didn't work
[22:53] <ZykoticK9> lusepuster_, have you run something like "sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel" and verified that that intel video driver is being used?  from this poist suggests it more or less just-works http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=449232&highlight=s+video
[22:53] <raylu> farchumbre: did you ever run that command i gave you?
[22:54] <guntbert> !who | quinn
[22:54] <ed_debian> quinn, I sent you a personal message do you see it?
[22:54] <farchumbre> yes, but it didn't download anything raylu
[22:54] <erUSUL> !lamp | ldiamond
[22:54] <pizzledizzle> can someone explain why this command works because i thought each statement had to be closed by ; or && : DISPLAY=":0.0" xmodmap -pke
[22:54] <raylu> farchumbre: ... i was more interested in the output
[22:54] <farchumbre> raylu: yes i did, but it didn't download anything
[22:55] <farchumbre> ok
[22:55] <raylu> pizzledizzle: that sets the environment variable DISPLAY
[22:55] <kmdm> pizzledizzle: The first part is setting an environment variable FOO="BAR" command args is legal... (in bash, at least)
[22:55] <raylu> pizzledizzle: temporarily for that command
[22:55] <farchumbre> you mean !aptitude ? raylu
[22:55] <raylu> farchumbre: yes
[22:55] <ZykoticK9> pizzledizzle, ; is used to run multiple commands on a single line.  && means after succesfully completing run the next command i give you.
[22:55] <eseven73> how do I delete my apt-get cache, I think it's messing things up
[22:55] <erUSUL> pizzledizzle: there is only one comand on that line so no need for ; && or ||
[22:56] <erUSUL> eseven73: sudo apt-get clean
[22:56] <eseven73> thats the one thanks erUSUL
[22:56] <raylu> eseven73: sudo aptitude clean
[22:56] <erUSUL> pizzledizzle: DISPLAY=":0.0" is just a variable declaration
[22:56] <lusepuster_> ZykoticK9, thanks... It's installed, how do I verify that I'm using that one?
[22:56] <farchumbre> aptitude install libasound2-plugins
[22:56] <farchumbre> Reading package lists... Done
[22:56] <farchumbre> Building dependency tree
[22:56] <farchumbre> Reading state information... Done
[22:56] <farchumbre> Reading extended state information
[22:56] <farchumbre> Initialising package states... Done
[22:56] <FloodBot3> farchumbre: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:56] <ZykoticK9> lusepuster_, try "glxinfo" in a terminal
[22:57] <eseven73> raylu, erUSUL my apt-get and aptitude-get still repeat twice for everything :(
[22:57] <lusepuster_> ZykoticK9, maybe I simply don't know how to get the output to the TV? I have tried googling but don't find anythng...
[22:57] <lusepuster_> ZykoticK9, thanks
[22:57] <pizzledizzle> erUSUL, does it have any special name? im trying to google it
[22:58] <ZykoticK9> lusepuster_, after installing that driver just try the Function key on the system to test it .  good luck.
[22:58] <ldiamond> How do I clean up my system to have a clean install? (My home is on a different partition)
[22:58] <yasasvy1> eseven73: probably, you might have duplicate entries in your sources.list
[22:58] <raylu> eseven73: do you have anything in that directory?
[22:58] <raylu> eseven73: /etc/apt/sources.d?
[22:59] <eseven73> raylu, yasasvy1  http://paste.ubuntu.com/184580/
[22:59] <eseven73> yea theres a few things in there
[22:59] <erUSUL> pizzledizzle: the name of what ?
[22:59] <pizzledizzle> erUSUL, i was looking for this http://learn.clemsonlinux.org/wiki/The_bash_environment#Temporary_Values
[23:00] <pizzledizzle> thxx for help guys
[23:00] <eseven73> raylu, in sources.list.d I have iplist.list iplist.list.save medibuntu.list medibuntu.list.save
[23:00] <raylu> eseven73: not the file, the directory
[23:00] <eseven73> I know
[23:00] <raylu> ldiamond: put in a livecd/usb, install with manual partitioning
[23:00] <erUSUL> pizzledizzle: yes that's it
[23:01] <maha> HEY GUYS
[23:01] <AdamVidars> Does anyone here play Enemy Territory ? On linux.
[23:01] <maha> should gnash be able to play that youtube filth
[23:01] <jthomas> hello
[23:01] <erUSUL> AdamVidars: played it
[23:01] <jthomas> is this a reasonable ssh command: ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:02] <Kalmi_> jthomas, no... you will never ssh into google.com :D
[23:02] <eseven73> jthomas, unless you have a shell at google, nope
[23:02] <jthomas> eseven73: i'm talking about the protocol
[23:02] <jthomas> eseven73: i'm new to ssh
[23:02] <eseven73> !ssh | jthomas
[23:02] <Kalmi_> jthomas, it's fine... why not try it with localhost?
[23:03] <jakupl> hello.. I am trying to figure out ssh... how do I know what ip adress to use when I am trying to connect to my computer from a remote location
[23:03] <guntbert> jthomas: yes its ssh host or ssh user@host
[23:03] <jthomas> alright, thanks guys
[23:04] <AdamVidars> Can somebody please tell me how to open up permissions to a game directory, so I can either copy/move/extract files into the directory?
[23:04] <AdamVidars> :_(
[23:04] <jakupl> I live in a dormitary and I have a static ip adress
[23:04] <ZykoticK9> AdamVidars, since you asked a moment ago - i've installed ET and it runs.
[23:04] <asterix> I've got windows xp and ubuntu 9.04 on a second drive and currently I'm able to boot fine to 8.10 on my first drive.  How do I edit my grub to allow me to boot into either OS on the second drive?
[23:04] <Kalmi_> jakupl, um... you should know the ip address of your machine....
[23:04] <coz_> AdamVidars,   open a terminal   sudo nautilus   then you can navigate to where ever to what ever :)
[23:04] <jakupl> yeah, I do, but that does not work
[23:04] <Kalmi_> jakupl, do you have a router?
[23:05] <jakupl> I altso have a router, but I have configured port forwarding
[23:05] <AdamVidars> ZykoticK9: Yes - it runs for me 2, but I need specific mods to run and maps and a upgrade to 2.60b but I need to fucking move files from my desktop to the directory...
[23:05] <Kalmi_> jakupl, what ip are you trying to connect to?
[23:05] <jakupl> <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:05] <midnajt> ok dudes my last question for tonight xD  with Apps like Python can I update from 2.5 to 2.6 or need to install separate
[23:05] <or4n9e> hi there. is there any chance to start update-notifier as root?
[23:06] <rump> does anyone know which package contains this lib: liblber-2.4.so.2 ; libldap?
[23:06] <or4n9e> I tried with --force to no avail
[23:06] <kmdm> AdamVidars: I guess "gksudo nautilus" might let you do what you want... just, um, be careful ;)
[23:06] <jakupl> Kalmi_ <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:06] <ed_debian> or4n9e, It is run as root by default?
[23:06] <AdamVidars> yeah nautilus worked, thanks :P
[23:06] <guntbert> AdamVidars: extract the archive into a directory in your home directory, then type sudo cp -R <that dir>  <target-dir> (replace the <...> with actual directories
[23:06] <Kalmi_> jakupl, that's a private ip address...
[23:07] <jakupl> Kalmi_ ok... then what do I do?
[23:07] <or4n9e> ed_debian: no, it's not possible to run it as root
[23:07] <ed_debian> or4n9e, Update notifier or update manager?
[23:07] <or4n9e> that's my problem
[23:07] <jthomas> eseven73: another quick question
[23:07] <ZykoticK9> AdamVidars, instructions to install ET http://paste.ubuntu.com/184587/
[23:07] <Kalmi_> jakupl, you need to know your external ip address... there are sites that will tell you: you should try to connect to the ip address you see on http://whatismyip.com/
[23:07] <jthomas> eseven73: i'm trying to use a proxy
[23:07] <or4n9e> ed_debian: notifier
[23:07] <raboof> rump: 'apt-file search liblber-2.4.so.2'
[23:07] <jakupl> Kalmi_ <IP_ADDRESS> ??
[23:07] <ed_debian> The applet?  I have no idea?  Run the whole panel as root?  Why do you want to run it as root?
[23:08] <jthomas> eseven73: and i've set foxyproxy to proxy.xxx.com on port 80 with pattern *xxx.com*
[23:08] <or4n9e> ed_debian: this is in xsession-errors "** (update-notifier:7267): WARNING **: not starting for system user"
[23:08] <Kalmi_> jakupl, sounds ok
[23:08] <eseven73> raylu, I fixed my apt problem, there was 3 files named sources.list.save, sources.list~ sources.liste , so I moved them to a backup folder and everything is super fast now :)
[23:08] <jthomas> eseven73: it's directing me to one page on the sever each time
[23:08] <rump> raboof: i don't have that tool at my disposal.  can you search it for me?
[23:08] <Kalmi_> or4n9e, you are not supposed to run that as root...
[23:08] <guntbert> jakupl:  if you don't have admistrative access to your router - no chance
[23:08] <raylu> eseven73: congrats
[23:08] <raboof> rump: apt-get install apt-file? :)
[23:08] <ed_debian> or4n9e, So is it not running at all?  How many users are on this system?
[23:08] <eseven73> jthomas, im not really a network guru, you probably should ask someone else :D
[23:08] <or4n9e> ed_debian: I had a look at update-notifier's sourcecode already and it's intended to prevent root execution
[23:08] <raboof> rump: libldap-2.4-2 on my machine
[23:09] <rump> raboof: i'm on netbsd at the moment. :)
[23:09] <asterix> I've got windows xp and ubuntu 9.04 on a second drive and currently I'm able to boot fine to 8.10 on my first drive.  How do I edit my grub to allow me to boot into either OS on the second drive?
[23:09] <Kalmi_> guntbert, jakupl: he said he had already set up port forwarding
[23:09] <ZykoticK9> AdamVidars, just use "sudo cp -r Files /where-ever-et-stores-stuff"
[23:09] <or4n9e> Kalmi_: I know :) but I'd like to
[23:09] <or4n9e> ed_debian: just root
[23:09] <eseven73> raylu, I wonder what could have created those three files though? Kinda scary.
[23:09] <kmdm> !grub | asterix
[23:09] <ed_debian> or4n9e, You log in as root?
[23:09] <jthomas> eseven73: np
[23:09] <rump> raboof: thanks! :)
[23:09] <guntbert> Kalmi_: ah
[23:09] <or4n9e> ed_debian: I build a custom backtrack-4 beta with GNOME desktop
[23:09] <jakupl> Kalmi_ I have administrative access to my own router, but I live in a dormitary, and they might have a router.... right?
[23:10] <or4n9e> ed_debian: on a regular desktop system I certainly won't do this
[23:10] <or4n9e> but on BT it's intended
[23:11] <guntbert> jakupl: this port forwarding must be done on any router behind the last "official" interface
[23:11] <ed_debian> or4n9e, Ok good (you scared me for a second there).  I don't think you're going to be able to run update-notifier if the source code own't allow you to do it as root.
[23:11] <or4n9e> I just need the appropriate switch for the notifier, --force doesn't help and there's no man-page
[23:11] <Kalmi_> or4n9e, why are you tring to do this?
[23:11] <ed_debian> or4n9e, idk :( find the developer mailing list?
[23:11] <jakupl> guntbert : yes, it works locally, but Is there no chance to do it remotely,
[23:12] <or4n9e> ed_debian: hm, don't you think it'll be possible giving the notifier a certain switch?
[23:12] <ed_debian> or4n9e, Explain to me this system you're building
[23:12] <or4n9e> Kalmi_: as I said, I'm building a custom BT4 beta build
[23:12] <ed_debian> or4n9e, Frankly no
[23:12] <eseven73> If glxgears is running, that means my Restricted nvidia drivers are working?
[23:12] <guntbert> jakupl: the machine on <IP_ADDRESS> accepts ssh connections, is this "your" router already?
[23:12] <ed_debian> yeah what is that?
[23:13] <or4n9e> ed_debian: BT4? you'd like to know what it is or what?
[23:13] <jakupl> guntbert: no.. this is what I get from myip
[23:14] <or4n9e> ed_debian: it's a pentesting distribution based on Intrepid
[23:14] <ed_debian> or4n9e, Yeah what is BT4?  When you say custom do you mean you compiled your own kernel?
[23:14] <guntbert> jakupl: and "your" router has a "private" ip-address?
[23:14] <Kalmi_> jakupl: You router's web interface will tell you its external ip address... If that is that same as what you get from myip than it should be all fine
[23:14] <jakupl> guntbert: it is not the same
[23:14] <or4n9e> ed_debian: nope, I'm customizing the desktop environment and build some functionality upon the base
[23:14] <ed_debian> or4n9e, I see
[23:15] <guntbert> jakupl: the you are out of luck, I'm afraid
[23:15] <or4n9e> ed_debian: I.e. switching from KDE to GNOME
[23:15] <kmdm> or4n9e: Hm, In jaunty --force seems to work for getting past the system-user check :/
[23:15] <Kalmi_> jakupl: consult with your network administrator
[23:15] <or4n9e> kmdm: really?
[23:15] <jakupl> guntbert: eerhh.. I have... waiting for a reply.. tanks very much guys.
[23:15] <Thon> really what
[23:15] <or4n9e> kmdm: that's interesting :)
[23:15] <kmdm> or4n9e: Aye, the code said it should work, so.... ;)
[23:15] <ed_debian> or4n9e, That's very cool.  Good luck with your notifier problem!
[23:16] <or4n9e> Thon: look three lines above
[23:16] <guntbert> jakupl: good luck
[23:16] <or4n9e> kmdm: what version of the notifier?
[23:16] <or4n9e> ed_debian: thanks
[23:16] <qdii> hello. Shutting down my laptop causes it to reboot when AC is plugged in... anyone encountered this before ?
[23:17] <or4n9e> kmdm: maybe there's something in intrepid-backports )
[23:17] <axisys> why is the proftpd xferlog timestamp 1 hour behind the OS time ? (asked in proftpd chnl as well)
[23:17] <ed_debian> Your os is probably reading the hardware clock incorrectly
[23:17] <kmdm> or4n9e: Aha, yes, in the jaunty update-notifier the if block does if(system_user() && !FORCE_START) but in intrepid it's just if(system_user()) - which probably doesn't help you :S
[23:17] <jthomas> next question
[23:17] <Kalmi_> axisys, time saving?
[23:17] <axisys> ed_debian: it is in ubuntu server .. and date shows correct time
[23:17] <jthomas> how do you kill a shell command after it's been run
[23:17] <steve_> join rune
[23:18] <axisys> but proftpd xferlog shows 1 hr behind
[23:18] <erUSUL> jthomas: crtl + c
[23:18] <jthomas> erUSUL: thanks
[23:18] <or4n9e> ed_debian: I'm just wondering why an application won't let the user decide if something makes sense or not - reminds me of windoze
[23:18] <Vitor> owwww look that: http://bit.ly/3IAz4E
[23:18] <libtech> i am getting laggy video playback on youtube
[23:18] <ed_debian> or4n9e, I just suspect that none of the people that wrote the code for update - notifier would expect somebody to need to run it as root (since that is bad practice).  IDK it was just my speculation.
[23:19] <axisys> Kalmi_: why would proftpd going one hr behind.. the ubuntu date shows the correct time
[23:19] <guntbert> axisys: it could be that proftpd log in UTC and you are in UK with DST?
[23:19] <or4n9e> kmdm: that explains a lot ;) we're talking about what version of update-notifier in jaunty?
[23:19] <ZykoticK9> axisys, i had the same problem with proftpd a long time ago - don't remember if i even fixed it...  seem to remember it being something in proftpd's config file.  best of luck.
[23:19] <kmdm> or4n9e: 0.76.7
[23:19] <ed_debian> axisys, That program is probably reading the hardware time directly (as does ubuntu) and ubuntu is probably compensating for your time zone / daylight savings or something
[23:20] <axisys> guntbert: i am on EST .. so should proftpd be
[23:20] <manpoole> how do i find out what cpu i have through the terminal?
[23:20] <q0_0p> ubuntu crashed while deleting gigs worth of data, how can i retrieve my space back that i deleted?
[23:20] <manpoole> whats the command?
[23:20] <or4n9e> ed_debian: in general you're absolutely right here. but there should be at least a switch --force to do it anyway imho
[23:20] <ZykoticK9> manpoole, "cat /proc/cpuinfo"
[23:20] <or4n9e> which is obviously the case in jaunty but not in intrepid
[23:20] <guntbert> axisys: ok, was only a wild idea :)
[23:20] <axisys> ed_debian: hmmm .. no reply from proftpd channel.. ZykoticK9 let me know if you ever remember how u fixed it..
[23:20] <ed_debian> or4n9e, Agreed
[23:20] <axisys> guntbert: :-)
[23:21] <axisys> ed_debian: how do I check my hardware clock ?
[23:21] <ed_debian> idk, google it
[23:21] <ZykoticK9> axisys, i don't run proftpd anymore so i got nothing.  i was just letting you know that "your no alone".  good luck man.
[23:21] <or4n9e> kmdm: I'll try installing the jaunty notifier then
[23:21] <axisys> ZykoticK9: thnx
[23:21] <ed_debian> axisys, read man clock
[23:21] <axisys> ed_debian: ok
[23:21] <or4n9e> although this introduces loads of other problems
[23:21] <libtech> i am getting laggy video playback on youtube
[23:22] <kmdm> or4n9e: Yeah, or you could patch the intrepid one and rebuild the package etc...
[23:22] <unop> axisys, hwclock
[23:22] <ed_debian> libtech, Do you mean that the video plays poorly or that the audio / video doesn't sync up (people talk after they've spoken)
[23:22] <kmdm> or4n9e: Just depends if you want custom packages kicking about... :)
[23:22] <or4n9e> kmdm: indeed. could you tell me how to build a deb pacakge for ubuntu the easy way?
[23:22] <or4n9e> I'm debian newcomer, ex suse
[23:23] <guntbert> !ot
[23:23] <libtech> ed_debian: it seems im getting a low frame rate. the sound is fine however.
[23:23] <kmdm> or4n9e: Ah, I'd definitely recommend pbuilder
[23:23] <q0_0p> how do i delete data that messed up when ubuntu crashed while deleting?
[23:23] <or4n9e> kmdm: if it needs to be... could one "lock" certain packages, e.g. the rebuild one using apt-get/synaptic
[23:23] <or4n9e> ?
[23:23] <ed_debian> libtech, What flash player are you using?  Free or non-free?
[23:23] <kmdm> !pbuilder | or4n9e
[23:24] <kmdm> !pin | or4n9e
[23:24] <kmdm> or4n9e: Ok, that's me done being lazy ;-)
[23:24] <libtech> ed_debian: i have flashplugin-nonfree installed
[23:24] <or4n9e> kmdm: that's perfectly fine, thx a lot for your support
[23:24] <ed_debian> libtech, Do you know what top is?
[23:24] <AdamVidars> any program for linux that opens .rar files?
[23:24] <ed_debian> AdamVidars, unrar
[23:25] <AdamVidars> ty
[23:25] <ed_debian> AdamVidars, Next time search synaptic
[23:25] <libtech> ed_debian: im not sure what you mean
[23:25] <ed_debian> libtech top is a program for linux that monitors your system
[23:25] <ed_debian> run sudo apt-get install top
[23:25] <or4n9e> kmdm: I actually looked at the sourcecode of jaunty notifier andd wondered why --force wont work
[23:26] <or4n9e> kmdm: good example that you need to be very specific whenever possiblee
[23:26] <kmdm> or4n9e: hehe yea, I can see how that would have been somewhat confusing ;)
[23:26] <axisys> ed_debian: http://pastebin.com/f1ecfce42 dont understand this
[23:26] <libtech> ed_debian: it says it couldnt find package top
[23:26] <libtech> ed_debian: is that the correct package name?
[23:27] <erUSUL> ed_debian: libtech top is installed by default as part of a core package
[23:27] <unop> libtech,  it's in the procps package
[23:27] <unop> !info procps
[23:27] <or4n9e> kmdm: at first I just googled for the xsession-error log entry and ended up at some source of notifier. haven't looked at the particular version. I just identified exactly that line you were talking about earlier :)
[23:27] <ed_debian> libtech, just run top (since it is installed)
[23:27] <erUSUL> libtech: but htop is a similar much nicer program you can install aswell
[23:27] <axisys> ed_debian: i am always confused about which clock to pick.. hardware clock or system clock .. and why are they different on same box ?
[23:28] <or4n9e> kmdm: btw, have you ever used BT4 yet?
[23:28] <axisys> ed_debian: and how to keep it stick followed by a power cycle ?
[23:28] <axisys> ed_debian: and reboot
[23:28] <ed_debian> axisys, I have no idea (since the os can set the clock) why not just set it and use it?  Instead linux creates a system clock (based on hardware clock) with +1 hour or something if it is wrong
[23:28] <kmdm> or4n9e: You'll find the search on http://packages.ubuntu.com useful for identifying versions... :) And nope, not used BT4 yet...
[23:28] <ed_debian> axisys, What did you do to change it?
[23:29] <libtech> ed_debian: ok, im in htop right now
[23:29] <axisys> ed_debian: i just noticed the time diff today.. i did not change anything since the install
[23:30] <offs> meh
[23:30] <or4n9e> kmdm: I see... I'm not that much an ubuntu newcomer, already used hoary a few yers back but then switched to suse. thus I'm just not that familiar with building packages and stuff for debian but the basics are available
[23:30] <or4n9e> lol
[23:30] <or4n9e> but ubuntu really rocks
[23:31] <or4n9e> very friendly community as it seems
[23:31] <guntbert> axisys: OSes treat the clocks differently: windows expects the HW Clock to be in "actual" local time (incl DST), whereas unix expects it to run in UTC and calculates the correct local time by info about the local time zone
[23:31] <dingleberry_> For some reason, my mic works perfectly in audacity, but nothing in stickam
[23:31] <dingleberry_> i've tried everything that seems obvious
[23:32] <guntbert> *treats
[23:32] <Weed37>  hey guys where is the recycle bin in ubuntu and can i make a shortcut launcher for it  for my desktop
[23:32] <unop> !trash > Weed37
[23:32] <erUSUL> !trash
[23:32] <or4n9e> kmdm: so I'm off testing this stuff - thanks for the pbuilder hint - looks promosing
[23:33] <erUSUL> Weed37: to make the trash can visible in desktop you have to tweak nautilus via gconf-editor
[23:33] <linduxed> this is rediculous, I get 1000FPS on glxgears with a geforce 9700m GT (Ubuntu Jaunty)
[23:33] <q0_0p> ubuntu crashed while deleting gigs worth of data, how can i retrieve my space back that i deleted?
[23:33] <q0_0p> i've lossed 11 gigs of space somehow
[23:33] <erUSUL> q0_0p: pass a fsck ?
[23:33] <ed_debian> axisys, Then what change are you trying to preserve over a reboot?
[23:33] <ed_debian> libtech htop or top?
[23:33] <erUSUL> q0_0p: checked if they are in /lost+found/ ??
[23:33] <q0_0p> k
[23:34] <q0_0p> i will try that
[23:34] <q0_0p> thx
[23:34] <libtech> ed_debian: htop
[23:34] <Gnea> !recover | q0_0p
[23:34] <ed_debian> libtech, Ok well htop ought to work (I'm more familiar with top)
[23:35] <ed_debian> keep htop open (and on visible) and play a youtube video
[23:35] <ed_debian> watch to see if anything starts eating 100% cpu
[23:35] <libtech> ok
[23:36] <erUSUL> linduxed: did you installed the restricted drivers ?
[23:36] <dingleberry_> geezum crow
[23:36] <eseven73> ed_debian, firefox eats 100% cpu even viewing a website as simple as a wiki :P
[23:36] <q0_0p> whats the original file permissions for lost+found?
[23:36] <dingleberry_> stickam worked 3 years ago
[23:36] <keco> hi!
[23:36] <farchumbre> hi, i deleted all deb packages using computer janitor, how can I download them again?
[23:36] <dingleberry_> now it doesn't work anymore, its ridiculous
[23:36] <erUSUL> !hi | keco
[23:36] <linduxed> erUSUL: yes
[23:36] <dingleberry_> one step forward, two steps back
[23:36] <q0_0p> i just chmod 777 it despite of it not opening
[23:36] <erUSUL> linduxed: glxinfo | grep -i direct
[23:36] <ed_debian> well then!
[23:36] <eseven73> If glxgears is running, that means my Restricted nvidia drivers are working?
[23:36] <keco> I have a  flyvideo 2000 card
[23:36] <ed_debian> libtech, What kind of system specs are we talking here?
[23:36] <keco> (sorry for my english is bad)
[23:36] <mari_> hi. I have some problems with my screenresolution on my laptop. Xubuntu. Newbie:) Could anyone help please?
[23:37] <linduxed> erUSUL: its on
[23:37] <erUSUL> eseven73: no glxgears can e rendered in software
[23:37] <guntbert> !enter | keco
[23:37] <eseven73> erUSUL, ah, ok.
[23:37] <libtech> ed_debian: asus eeepc 1000he
[23:37] <libtech> ed_debian: could be the fact that its only an intel atom 1.66 Ghz
[23:37] <erUSUL> linduxed: keep in mind that glxgears is not a benchmark. have you tried any other 3d app?
[23:37] <keco> ubottu, ok... I want see tv with ubuntu 9.04, how can I do it?
[23:38] <Xcell> libtech-  thats a nice little machine..
[23:38] <ed_debian> libtech, Yeah that is exactly the problem.  Adobe's proprietary flash player (the one you're using) is poorly written for linux and is a resource hog.
[23:38] <libtech> Xcell: it sure is :)
[23:38] <guntbert> mari_: ask your question please - all in one line
[23:38] <Xcell> and it should be ok if you have enough ram.. 1.6 gig is plenty
[23:39] <coolkourt> is there any way to extend the size of a partition in Gparted?
[23:39] <libtech> I also have 2GB ram
[23:39] <or4n9e> ah, there's another thing I'm wondering about currently
[23:39] <linduxed> erUSUL: well i know that when i play UT2004 in windows i get 200-300 FPS, in linux i get 10-60
[23:39] <ed_debian> coolkourt, Yes but you can't be mounted on said filesystem
[23:39] <libtech> ed_debian: which flash player should i use instead?
[23:39] <or4n9e> maybe you could be of some help here as well
[23:39] <linduxed> erUSUL: catastrophic in other words
[23:39] <Xcell> did you install restricted extras...or just flash plugin
[23:39] <or4n9e>  figured out tht ubuntu uses fstab-sync
[23:40] <coolkourt> ed_debian: so i would have to unmount the drive, then open the program and try?
[23:40] <ed_debian> libtech, There isn't really a good answer to that.  There is an open source player (swfdec or something) but it doesn't work with all flash media you might encounter.
[23:40] <erUSUL> linduxed: well i dunno; my 7300GT performs more or less like in windows
[23:40] <ed_debian> coolkourt, Yes (a live Cd is usually useful for something like this)
[23:40] <or4n9e> is it possible to exclude certain partitions from dynamical recreation of fstab without completely disabling fsta-sync?
[23:40] <ed_debian> libtech, It's in the flash-plugin-free package
[23:40] <libtech> ed_debian: ill check it out, thanks
[23:40] <coolkourt> ok so i would start ubuntu from the USB stick, then from live i would unmount the active and try to make it larger?
[23:41] <mari_> When I log on ,my screenresulotion is set way too high. the logon and splah is also wrong resolution. Once inside xubuntu I turn the resolution down using the screen options. But the settings wont stick! When I restart it's all wrong again.  Say's the system Halted. So I have to use the power off button :d
[23:41] <racecar56> can someone pastebin me a ubuntu 9.04 default sources.list?
[23:41] <or4n9e> some udev rule maybe?
[23:41] <ed_debian> coolkourt, yep that's basically it
[23:41] <Xcell> libtech-  did you get that from newegg?
[23:41] <equivoc> hi
[23:41] <or4n9e> any documentation available somewhere?
[23:41] <coolkourt> ok thanks a lot ed_debian, hopefully i talk to u sooner than later
[23:41] <linduxed> erUSUL: where do i find solutions to this problem?
[23:41] <ed_debian> coolkourt, You should be able to irc from the live usb
[23:42] <coolkourt> k
[23:42] <libtech> Xcell: no, i got it from a seller on ebay. excaliberpc's i think. it was 370 shipped
[23:42] <racecar56> can someone pastebin me any ubuntu default sources.list?
[23:42] <Xcell> nice
[23:42] <Xcell> enjoy
[23:42] <erUSUL> linduxed: maybe in nvidia linux forums ? have you checked thngs in nvidia-settings ?
[23:42] <axisys> ed_debian: i fixed the hwclock to syn with system clock .. restarted proftpd and still proftpd xferlog timestamp is one hr behind.. i wish proftpd guys reply to email :-)
[23:42] <farchumbre> did anyone install oo3.1 in jaunty?
[23:42] <ed_debian> axisys, IDK reboot?
[23:42] <or4n9e> farchumbre: I have it running in intrepid
[23:42] <Ron586> I have xp running in virtual box. Should I install an anti-virus for it? n00b here
[23:43] <unop> axisys, did you restart the proftpd service?
[23:43] <Xcell> !clam
[23:43] <ed_debian> axisys, I don't know where that program get's its time info from (most use the system clock not the hwclock)
[23:43] <Xcell> arg
[23:43] <farchumbre> do you have any bugs running oo3.1?
[23:43] <equivoc> i have an IP-cam with address <IP_ADDRESS> and a ubuntu with address <IP_ADDRESS> and a ppp0 device for the internet connection. how can the IP-cam use the internet connection?
[23:43] <linduxed> erUSUL: will check
[23:43] <farchumbre> for example impress runs very very slow
[23:43] <racecar56> Ron586, yes
[23:43] <erUSUL> linduxed: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?s=6aaad6f7eba8b74edc7f2a88a31d1ba4&f=14
[23:44] <or4n9e> farchumbre: haven't used it yet actually ;)
[23:44] <Jaesin> is there a channel for irc commands?
[23:44] <axisys> unop: yes
[23:44] <farchumbre> ok
[23:44] <Ron586> racecar56: thank-you. next thing to figure out: program installation
[23:44] <Jaesin> nm
[23:44] <erUSUL> !inetsharing | equivoc
[23:44] <or4n9e> hm, nobody any ideas regarding fstab-sync?
[23:44] <q0_0p> fsck didn't recover my lost space any suggestions?  i've looked in lost+found nothing there
[23:44] <guntbert> farchumbre: use the ppa http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ubuntu
[23:45] <farchumbre> is anyone using wine? I have wine installed but i don't know how to install a windows program
[23:45] <erUSUL> q0_0p: use the disk anlizr tool to try to find out where the space is ..
[23:45] <q0_0p> aight thx
[23:45] <racecar56> farchumbre, you install it
[23:45] <erUSUL> farchumbre: double click on the setup file
[23:45] <racecar56> farchumbre, like as if you were using windows
[23:45] <mari_> guntbert: When I log on ,my screenresulotion is set way too high. the logon and splah is also wrong resolution. Once inside xubuntu I turn the resolution down using the screen options. But the settings wont stick! When I restart it's all wrong again.  Say's the system Halted. So I have to use the power off button :d
[23:45] <unop> axisys, see "affected library functions" here (maybe it helps) http://www.proftpd.org/docs/howto/Timestamps.html
[23:45] <racecar56> can someone pastebin me any ubuntu default sources.list?
[23:46] <farchumbre> can i do it directly from a cd rom?
[23:46] <racecar56> farchumbre, yeah
[23:46] <erUSUL> farchumbre: yep
[23:46] <racecar56> farchumbre, even from the network
[23:46] <erUSUL> !appdb | farchumbre
[23:46] <zealiod> Can any one recommend a decent open source ICAP server that works well with Squid?
[23:46] <guntbert> mari_: sorry no idea, but you might want to add info about your hardware
[23:46] <Xcell> Ron586-  try clamAV
[23:47] <racecar56> Ron586, warning: clamav dosent have realtime protection
[23:47] <axisys> unop: looking .. thanks
[23:47] <zer0rez> what format is suggested for a 1 TB HDD I just added to my ubuntu box for media(music/photos/etc)
[23:48] <racecar56> zer0rez, ext4
[23:48] <equivoc> erUSUL: thx, reading now
[23:48] <zer0rez> racecar56: cool, what i was guessing just making sure nothing has changed.
[23:48] <racecar56> zer0rez, if you use ubuntu 9.04
[23:48] <racecar56> zer0rez, k
[23:48] <zer0rez> racecar56: yea 9.04 :)
[23:48] <racecar56> zer0rez, =>
[23:48] <racecar56> zer0rez, ext4 is awesome
[23:48] <zer0rez> sweet, i've finally made the plunge all ubuntu at home
[23:48] <farchumbre> will windows programs using wine interact with ubuntu ones? my hard drive is ext4, will i be able to save files in the hard drive too?
[23:49] <racecar56> zer0rez, my horrible laptop booted in 2 seconds with it
[23:49] <usser> farchumbre, yes
[23:49] <erUSUL> farchumbre: yes
[23:49] <racecar56> zer0rez, and it is really weak
[23:49] <q0_0p> i want to say thanx for helping me out
[23:49] <zer0rez> racecar56: haha yea i love how fast it is
[23:49] <q0_0p> i did fsck when rebooting
[23:49] <racecar56> zer0rez, it only happened once though
[23:49] <q0_0p> and got my lost space back
[23:49] <racecar56> =D
[23:49] <racecar56> zer0rez, im using a quite old comp now
[23:50] <erUSUL> q0_0p: no problem
[23:50] <racecar56> zer0rez, it's a compaq sr1020nx
[23:50] <sidh> greetings gentle(wo)men
[23:50] <farchumbre> is there a way to remove pulseaudio? i have to killall pulseaudio everytime i reboot, otherwise sound doesn't work
[23:50] <Alex_> Hey I've got 2 questions... I've been messing with ubuntu on an old laptop... but I just rebuilt my computer and I thought I'd install ubuntu on my old hard drive... When I install it, since it's on the second hard drive, will it affect my windows boot loader at all? And if I don't mount my main hard drive under ubuntu, if I accadentally do that rm -a / or whatever it was... will it affect the other drive.
[23:50] <eseven73> how do you get the ext4? I didn't see any options or is it default in 9.04?
[23:50] <sidh> on a new laptop i've installed 9.04 amd64 version, but sound doesn't work
[23:50] <erUSUL> Alex_: depends on what hard drive you install grub
[23:50] <sidh> here i think i found the solution
[23:51] <sidh> http://www.linlap.com/wiki/hp-compaq+6830s
[23:51] <racecar56> can someone pastebin me any ubuntu default sources.list?
[23:51] <sidh> but it was on 8.10
[23:51] <racecar56> it can even be a warty default sources.list
[23:51] <zer0rez> this is a custom built tower
[23:51] <racecar56> :P
[23:51] <Alex_> erUSUL: I'm saying I'm giving the entire secondary hard drive to ubuntu. If I tell it to install on that it shouldn't affect the windows boot which is on the other drive should it?
[23:51] <eseven73> how do you get the ext4? I didn't see any options or is it default in 9.04?
[23:51] <racecar56> eseven73, ext3 is default >:(
[23:51] <racecar56> eseven73, i wish it was ext4
[23:51] <zer0rez> trying to figure out what laptop i should get that is small and lightweight(going back and forth between small notebook and  netbook)
[23:52] <eseven73> how do I get ext4?
[23:52] <sidh> and on 9.04 it does not seem to have /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[23:52] <erUSUL> racecar56: delete the one you have System<Administration>software Sources should be able to generate a new default one
[23:52] <sidh> do i have to create it
[23:52] <farchumbre> does wine use many memory and hard drive resources?
[23:52] <racecar56> eseven73, mkfs
[23:52] <sidh> or  is there an equivalent file
[23:52] <racecar56> eseven73, P
[23:52] <sidh> ?
[23:52] <racecar56> eseven73, of course, taht formats
[23:52] <eseven73> racecar56, ick
[23:52] <unop> farchumbre, depends on what it is running ..
[23:52] <racecar56> eseven73, so don't run it on a partition that has data
[23:52] <Alex_> erUSUL: I'm saying I'm giving the entire secondary hard drive to ubuntu. If I tell it to install on that it shouldn't affect the windows boot which is on the other drive should it?
[23:52] <eseven73> ill just stick with ext3
[23:52] <erUSUL> farchumbre: hard drive the same as in windows... memory a little more
[23:53] <racecar56> eseven73, some say that you can convert ext3 to 4 but don't try, stay ext3. next time you get a chance to format it then do it
[23:53] <erUSUL> Alex_: no it shouldn't, (chhose manually where to install grub ) but you will have to use bios to change boot order
[23:53] <Ron586> xcell: sorry?
[23:53] <farchumbre> erUSUL: does wine use resources also if I am not running any windows program?
[23:53] <erUSUL> farchumbre: no
[23:53] <kmdm> or4n9e: cool, just read your messages - been afk :) Yea, I really like pbuilder there's also a neat packaging guide too, let me dig that up
[23:53] <racecar56> eseven73, but if you are satisfied with ext3 then stick with it, ext4 is just faster/newer
[23:53] <eseven73> racecar56, I don't even see where to format it to ext4
[23:54] <sidh> find / -name alsa-base tells me /usr/share/alsa-base
[23:54] <racecar56> eseven73, mkfs, sorry
[23:54] <Alex_> erUSUL: That's what I figured... but I wanted to make sure before I did it.
[23:54] <farchumbre> is there any way to completely remove pulseaudio?
[23:54] <sidh> is it the new place
[23:54] <usser> farchumbre, no it doesnt
[23:54] <sidh> ?
[23:54] <racecar56> eseven73, or manual partition setup
[23:54] <kmdm> or4n9e: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete :)
[23:54] <racecar56> eseven73, i always do that
[23:54] <kmdm> or4n9e: Between that and pbuilder you should be well on your way
[23:54] <eseven73> racecar56 oh ok thanks
[23:54] <racecar56> can someone pastebin me a default /etc/apt/sources.list?
[23:54] <racecar56> for ubuntu
[23:54] <eseven73> you'd think Ubuntu would have an ext4 option
[23:55] <racecar56> eseven73, of course, as we know, ext4 is for 9.04+
[23:55] <nonZero> I have a VERY strange networking problem:  once in a while (but quite often) suddenly a http request won't work:  the url in firefox will get 10% of the file and same in wget (!).  my ISP sais it has no proxy, and I can get the same url easily on another PC in my lan.
[23:55] <eseven73> racecar56, I was refering to 9.04
[23:55] <racecar56> eseven73, 8.10 is too old (which is dumb, ext4 existed in that time, in fact it could have been for edgy
[23:55] <racecar56> eseven73, ya
[23:55] <sidh> no it seems it is a directory
[23:56] <erUSUL> nonZero: both pc on the lan use the same router to get out to internet ?
[23:56] <nonZero> (I am on 8.10) Any idea if ubuntu has some kind of HTTP cache?
[23:56] <lstarnes> nonZero: squid is one
[23:56] <nonZero> erUSUL: YES!
[23:56] <cruz> holaaa
[23:56] <erUSUL> nonZero: ? confused... do no know what may be
[23:56] <ruler> i have installed ubuntu into 60 gb without patisioning can i partision it now
[23:57] <eseven73> ok so let me get this straight, there's only one way to get ext4 in Ubuntu and that's mkfs?
[23:57] <racecar56> ruler, cant install without partitioning
[23:57] <lstarnes> nonZero: that may be some sort of router bug
[23:57] <t_> Hey, is anyone free to help me?
[23:57] <racecar56> eseven73, either that or pick it in manual mode
[23:57] <Flannel> racecar56: you can with wubi
[23:57] <racecar56> t_ !ask
[23:57] <nonZero> lstarnes: how can I prove it?
[23:57] <racecar56> !ask | t_
[23:57] <ruler> racecar56 install in entire disk
[23:57] <t_> Hi, I can't get my virtualbox to update to 2.2.4
[23:57] <racecar56> Flannel, yeah
[23:57] <erUSUL> racecar56: well the main developer of ext4 asked ubuntu devs to *not* enable ext4 by default in jaunty (they have planned to do it)
[23:57] <lstarnes> nonZero: or it may be a driver issue, if it's affecting just one pc
[23:57] <or4n9e> kmdm: I'll try that soon. I have some other weir issues here currently
[23:57] <racecar56> ruler, that will wipe you hard drive
[23:57] <racecar56> erUSUL, k
[23:58]  * sidh wonders if someone see him ...
[23:58] <lstarnes> nonZero: by default, no http caches are installed in ubuntu
[23:58] <or4n9e> kmdm: ok, I'm doing heavy modding actually ;)
[23:58] <nonZero> lstarnes: I get only 10% and it gets stuck: wget http://hgbook.red-bean.com/support/jquery.js
[23:58]  * erUSUL sees sidh
[23:58] <ruler> racecar56:  i cant understand
[23:58] <sidh> thanks erUSUL
[23:58]  * or4n9e sees sidh :)
[23:58]  * racecar56 sees sidh
[23:58] <t_> @racercar56, I'm getting sudden errors when my virtualbox tries to update
[23:58]  * racecar56 need a defailt sources.list
[23:58] <sidh> or4n9e: thnaks too
[23:58] <t_> it says it interferes with current package
[23:58] <racecar56> anyone with a new install has one
[23:59] <Flannel> racecar56: for which version?
[23:59] <nonZero> How can I stress test my network card?
[23:59] <erUSUL> sidh: /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf <<< i have this file
[23:59] <racecar56> Flannel, at least a modern one
[23:59] <or4n9e> sidh: you're welocme
[23:59] <racecar56> Flannel, 9.04
[23:59] <Flannel> racecar56: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jaunty main restricted universe multiverse
[23:59] <coolkourt> how would i go about moving a partition from dev/sda2 to dev/sda3
[23:59] <racecar56> Flannel, i mean like the entire thing
[23:59] <Flannel> racecar56: then change jaunty to jaunty-updates, and then change that again to -security, and on the security line, it's security.ubuntu.co
[23:59] <sidh> erUSUL: "options snd-hda-intel model=laptop enable=1 index=0" in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[23:59] <racecar56> Flannel, k
[23:59] <ruler> racecar56:  please tell can i do it now


[01:11] <axw> mgz: can I get on the ppc64el CI machine to dig into this bug?
[01:13] <axw> mgz: never mind. fails on amd64 using gccgo.
[01:43] <axw> waigani: looks like you're OCR today. can you please review https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/2892? fixes the critical blocker on master
[02:37] <waigani> axw: sorry, just saw this.  Shipit
[02:37] <axw> thanks
[04:00] <mup> Bug #1479194 opened: Juju agent hangs if debug-hooks session goes away <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1479194>
[04:10] <mup> Bug #1479194 changed: Juju agent hangs if debug-hooks session goes away <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1479194>
[04:22] <mup> Bug #1479194 opened: Juju agent hangs if debug-hooks session goes away <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1479194>
[06:26] <dimitern> morning
[07:13] <mup> Bug #1479024 changed: TestRootDiskTags fails on ppc64el <blocker> <ci> <ppc64el> <regression> <juju-core:Fix Released by axwalk> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1479024>
[07:22] <dimitern> dooferlad, hey
[07:56] <dooferlad> dimitern: hi. Sorry, that was a very long reboot.
[07:57] <dooferlad> wasn't the entire 40 minutes!
[07:57] <dooferlad> more like 10
[07:57] <dimitern> dooferlad, :) wow
[07:57] <dooferlad> well, I think something hung. Gave up and hit reset.
[07:57] <dimitern> dooferlad, just a heads up about tomorrow and friday - approved
[07:57] <dimitern> dooferlad, please update the calendar
[07:57] <dooferlad> I had 8 KVMs running, so I figured those may be an issue...
[07:58] <dimitern> :D
[08:32] <fwereade> thumper, final-leadership-switch-1.24
[08:50] <dooferlad> eugh. bug #919437 sucks
[08:50] <mup> Bug #919437: Lost window, cannot get it back. <amd64> <apport-bug> <distro-priority> <precise> <running-unity> <Compiz:New> <Compiz Core:New> <Unity Distro Priority:Fix Committed> <compiz (Ubuntu):Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/919437>
[09:40] <mup> Bug #1479278 opened: service status derivation happens in the wrong place <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1479278>
[09:48] <mattyw> axw, ping?
[09:57] <axw> mattyw: hey, I'm here for just a moment. what's up?
[10:01] <axw> mattyw: sorry gotta go again, leave a message I'll check back later
[10:03] <mattyw> axw, sorry, missed you. no problem, I've added another question about that branch, it's basically lgtm to me though, I just need enlightening :)
[10:22] <mup> Bug #1479289 opened: statushistory uses sequence, fails in multi-env state servers <juju-core:Triaged by wallyworld> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1479289>
[11:18] <axw> mattyw: thanks for the review
[11:20] <mattyw> axw, welcome, sorry I missed it
[11:20] <mattyw> axw, reviewboard colours invert if I have my monitor at the wrong angle
[11:20] <axw> mattyw: oh :/
[11:21] <mattyw> axw, one of my faviourite features
[11:36] <dimitern> dooferlad, hey
[11:36] <dimitern> dooferlad, are available now for about 1/2h ?
[11:36] <dimitern> perhaps less
[11:57] <dooferlad> dimitern: just grabbing coffee and then will be back from lunch.
[12:02] <dooferlad> dimitern: back
[12:05] <dimitern> dooferlad, ok
[12:05] <dimitern> dooferlad, let's use our 1:1 g+ and the c9 workspace?
[12:05] <dooferlad> dimitern: sounds good
[13:06] <TheMue> dimitern: ping
[13:06] <dimitern> TheMue, pong
[13:07] <TheMue> dimitern: wanted to have a quick chat about the final failing test
[13:07] <TheMue> dimitern: it is at https://github.com/TheMue/juju/blob/addresser-worker-using-api/worker/addresser/worker_test.go#L237
[13:07] <TheMue> dimitern: here I've got a timeout when waiting for a release op by the dummy provider
[13:07] <dimitern> TheMue, sure, looking
[13:07] <TheMue> dimitern: the rest works fine
[13:09] <TheMue> dimitern: I'll paste the debug log, mom
[13:09] <TheMue> dimitern: so, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11959517/, could help
[13:10] <dimitern> TheMue, could it be due to this: https://github.com/TheMue/juju/blob/addresser-worker-using-api/worker/addresser/worker_test.go#L90
[13:11] <dimitern> more than 10 ops queued?
[13:12] <TheMue> dimitern: it's worth a try, due to the now happening bulk requests.
[13:13] <dimitern> TheMue, try logging each ReleaseAddress dummy method call
[13:14] <TheMue> dimitern: nope, no change. and the number of dummy ops should be the same, even with bulk request. they happen per address on the server
[13:16] <dimitern> TheMue, is the  apiserver facade actually calling the environ ReleaseAddress ?
[13:16] <dimitern> TheMue, I see no logs there
[13:17] <dimitern> s/there/about it/
[13:17] <TheMue> dimitern: in principle it does, all other tests waiting for releases work, and the op is sent by the dummy provider
[13:18] <TheMue> dimitern: but SetUp adds four addresses, later a fifths is added in this test, and I only see four tries to release
[13:19] <TheMue> dimitern: this <IP_ADDRESS> seems not to be released
[13:20] <TheMue> dimitern: when the machine is removed the address is dead, but it looks like the addresser doesn't recognises it
[13:22] <TheMue> dimitern: TestWorkerRemovesDeadAddress() in line 179 has no problem *sigh*
[13:22] <dimitern> TheMue, yeah, but there the addresses start as dead
[13:22] <dimitern> TheMue, so it feels like a watcher/sync issue
[13:23] <dimitern> TheMue, why call do you StartSync again in TestMachineRemovalTriggersWorker (twice even?)
[13:23] <TheMue> dimitern: ok, will add some debug statements on this path
[13:23] <dimitern> TheMue, IIRC StartSync spawns a goroutine
[13:24] <TheMue> dimitern: the tests are take as they have been before, I only had to change one combined error message so far
[13:25] <TheMue> dimitern: my hope have been good blackbox tests don't caring if the addresses uses and api or state
[13:25] <TheMue> ;)
[13:26] <TheMue> dimitern: but ok, have now a direction where to investigate, thanks
[13:26] <dimitern> TheMue, well, since the logic has changed, the tests might break - e.g. 2 ops per list of ips (release, remove) rather than 2xN
[13:27] <TheMue> dimitern: aren't the ops by the dummy, so that only the calls to env are counted? those are only the release calls, remove then works on state again
[13:28] <TheMue> dimitern: and the number of release calls depends on the number of ips in the test case
[13:28] <dimitern> TheMue, true I think - env.ReleaseAddress is called once per IP
[13:28] <TheMue> dimitern: it's now only that it isn't called by the worker but by the server api
[13:29] <TheMue> dimitern: yep
[13:29] <TheMue> dimitern: the server api gets a bulk to release and then calls the according env menthod
[13:29] <TheMue> ... n times
[13:30] <dimitern> TheMue, I'd suggest more logging
[13:30] <dimitern> TheMue, I need to be in a call now, but let's revisit it tomorrow if it's still an issue?
[13:32] <TheMue> dimitern: yes, will do so, thanks for support
[13:35] <dimitern> TheMue, np
[13:40]  * TheMue rants about the weather. we've got July 29th and I sit here with thick socks, blanket, and cardigan. :( cold.dislike == true
[14:09] <dooferlad> dimitern: https://github.com/juju/juju/compare/net-cli...dooferlad:net-cli-spaces-state?expand=1 should be more like what you were after. I hope.
[14:09] <dooferlad> dimitern: I am going to grab some tea, but am happy to talk about the branch. I know it needs more tests!
[14:16] <dimitern> dooferlad, ack, will look shortly
[14:33] <dimitern> dooferlad, looks mostly OK, just a few passing notes: use string and []string in params structs, not names.*Tag - the params struct describes the wire format (and for some other good reason that currently escapes me)
[14:35] <dimitern> dooferlad, also - doc types in state are not exported for a reason; no need to declare SetUp*/TearDown* for SpacesSuite - this is needed only if you embed multiple "suite" types etc.
[14:38] <dooferlad> dimitern: I thought we were trying to always call the SetUp* etc calls, even if they weren't needed, just because of good habits.
[14:38] <dooferlad> dimitern: I don't care either way
[14:38] <dimitern> dooferlad, if we do now, I'm not aware of it :)
[15:13] <mgz> dooferlad: you don't need to redirene SetUp* if you're embedding exactly one suite
[15:13] <mgz> *redefine
[15:13] <mgz> because gocheck will just call that setup
[15:14] <mgz> what you have to be careful about is if you embed multiple suites, or write your own SetUp* - then you need to upcall
[15:15] <dooferlad> mgz: apparently I imagined a conversation about it. Will get rid.
[15:15] <mgz> dooferlad: the thread happened, the circumstances are just a little narrower than you were thinking
[15:15] <dooferlad> mgz: good to know :-)
[22:33] <menn0> anyone able to review these?
[22:33] <menn0> http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/2276/
[22:33] <menn0> http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/2275/
[22:34] <menn0> (easy ones)
[22:34] <perrito666> menn0: ill give it a shot
[22:35] <menn0> perrito666: thank you
[22:38] <perrito666> menn0: any idea why the tags where there for bson?
[22:39] <menn0> perrito666: I suspect it was started by someone who didn't understand what they were doing and then other people copied
[22:39] <menn0> cargo cult programming
[22:41] <perrito666> menn0: indeed, I especially like the seccond one
[22:41] <perrito666> I am a bit amazed that nothing broke there
[22:42] <perrito666> almost too good to be true
[22:42] <menn0> :)
[22:42] <menn0> perrito666: i'm about to make some more signficant changes that will almost certainly break things :)
[22:42] <perrito666> menn0: yeah, its the interface->string change that has me baffled
[22:44]  * perrito666 also sees a lots of panics and supposes this code was just ugly from scratch
[22:44] <menn0> perrito666: that's just a simple tidy up... all the ids were strings anyway, and localID() was being called on all of them, so I just changed where that was being done so it's just in one place
[22:44] <perrito666> menn0:  shipthem
[22:44] <menn0> perrito666: thanks
[22:44] <menn0> perrito666: yeah, this area is a bit special
[22:45] <perrito666> menn0: I was just suspicious of exactly that, as if the code was writen for public facing stuff but all methods where private
[22:45] <menn0> perrito666: yep. the stuff I changed is all internal only.
[22:46] <perrito666> leadership is currently broken in master?
[22:47] <menn0> perrito666: pretty much
[22:48] <menn0> perrito666: will is working on it
[22:48] <perrito666> menn0: I was not sure if it was broken or just extremely unstable
[22:48]  * perrito666 cannot ftloc make status tests pass
[22:49] <menn0> perrito666: extremely unstable ~= broken
[23:18] <mup> Bug #1479546 opened: Storage provisioner timeouts spawning extra volumes on AWS <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1479546>
[23:55] <menn0> waigani: review pls? http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/2277/
[23:57] <davecheney> menn0: how expensive is that call to st.EnvUUID() ?
[23:58] <menn0> davecheney: not very. it just returns a field of the struct
[23:58] <menn0> davecheney: and ... you're back!
[23:59] <davecheney> i am
[23:59] <davecheney> hello
[23:59] <davecheney> in taht case
[23:59] <davecheney> LGTM
[23:59] <davecheney> (as I'm also OCR today)


[00:23] <ScottK> jtaylor: bin New done.
[00:24] <jtaylor> thx I'll rebuild pytables tomorrow
[06:58] <dholbach> good morning
[15:46] <eagles0513875> hey guys I have a question I am part of the LMMS community and the version taht was pulled for 14.04 was from the wrong branch, and I am working to rectify the situation. My question is granted 14.04 isnt released yet, can I file an SRU at this point or have to wait until after release?
[15:57] <eagles0513875> ikonia: hey :)