[10:08] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[10:23] <lazyPower> o/
[10:25] <teddy-dbear> \o
[10:38] <lazyPower> how you doin this am teddy-dbear?
[12:09] <icey> Ahoy
[12:34] <rmg51> teddy went back to sleep after I left for my walk ;-)


[06:56] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:39] <jubo2> I have this Kubuntu 19.04 that is on a single partition. I'm going to use Live Clonezilla to move it to a bigger SSD. The thing is that I think I want a separate root partition and separate /home. How could / should I go about this? Is it non-problematic to have a bunch of distros and them all accessing the same /home partition?
[08:51] <lordievader> If they are running the same versions of things that access /home, no. Else you might run in the problem that some program upgrades the config to something which the older version doesn't understand.
[08:52] <lordievader> Regarding the separation of partitions. There is nothing stopping you. Do remind yourself to shrink the filesystem before shrinking the partition.
[09:39] <jubo2> lordievader: thanks... what is the best method to move from monolithic partition to split partition. Install clean, boot from stick and overwrite?
[09:39] <jubo2> last time I had a separate partition it was 20GB and it filled up, because some old junk did not get cleaned automatically
[09:39] <jubo2> Got 960GB and no need for Windows, so I can make the partition big
[09:42] <lordievader> If you want to reinstall that approach is fine. While you're at it I'd look into LVM, makes things even more flexible.
[10:02] <horror> Hola
[10:03] <horror> Como estas?
[13:21] <TomyWork> can i see the changelogs for an update in Discover somehow?
[13:21] <TomyWork> i used to be able to see them in muon updater in kubuntu 14.04
[13:22] <TomyWork> or can i at least see which packages are security updates and which aren't?
[13:33] <IrcsomeBot1> N0um3n0 was added by: N0um3n0
[15:28] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[18:38] <jubo2> What's the best way to backup Linux systems to an another Linux over the local network?
[18:39] <jubo2> coz I got me a 2TB drive for the home machine and I'd like to backup my laptop without needing to mess around with USB-connected disks
[18:39] <jubo2> prlly something implemented with rsync
[18:56] <jubo2> sshfs + Timeshift ?
[20:29] <ubv_> hi
[20:50] <niuvm> ho


[10:25] <ev> bug 725408 is getting odder by the minute, it seems
[12:38] <ev> phew, partman crashed while resizing and I was worried there was an undiscovered bug here
[12:38] <ev> fortunately it was just the OOM killer putting my in my place
[12:38] <ev> I should probably have a look at memory usage in O though.  I'm sure we can trim some fat from ubiquity.
[12:48] <cjwatson> reimplement in C </troll>
[12:51] <ev> hahaha
[12:51] <ev> you do realize you're only trolling yourself, being the original author and all
[12:55] <cjwatson> not quite original :)
[12:58] <ogra_> original required some spanish skills iirc :)
[12:59] <ev> ah yes
[12:59] <ev> I forgot about them
[13:33] <arand> Is the default and intended behaviour in ubuntu to always mount the top-level of the btrfs, and use rootflags=subvol=@ to mount root for example?
[13:34] <arand> ...or rather, have the top-level as the "default root" when it is mounted with no options?
[13:37] <cjwatson> yes
[13:38] <cjwatson> well, ideally there would be a way to set @ as the default subvolume without making it hideously painful to mount other subvolumes, but AFAIK that isn't straightforward in btrfs at the moment
[13:38] <cjwatson> on the whole I'd not recommend relying on any particular behaviour of mounting an Ubuntu btrfs installation with no options at the moment
[13:40] <arand> Ok, there was a user which used a grub.cfg with no rootflags=subvol=@ option which claimed to be able to boot, and had not touched the set-default, so thus I was confused.
[13:42] <cjwatson> that's due to a grub2 bug
[13:42] <cjwatson> it sometimes fails to parse the btrfs filesystem properly and so omits subvol=@
[13:42] <cjwatson> I keep saying this in different bug reports but apparently there are enough of them that people don't notice
[13:43] <arand> Yea, I've been trying to figure this out in Bug #752506 (this is basically the issue you are talking about right?)
[13:45] <arand> So this is an issue in grub-probe, rather?
[13:46] <cjwatson> there's already a triaged bug for it somewhere
[13:47] <cjwatson> bug 732149
[13:47] <cjwatson> it's very likely the same thing, I'll get to it as soon as I can manage to reproduce it
[13:52] <arand> The way I've been able to do it is basically repeatedly reinstalling the linux-image and linux-headers packages, but it is not by far a sure way to do it.
[13:54] <cjwatson> ok, thanks
[13:55] <cjwatson> I don't need a 100% method, it's OK if it takes a while to tweak the filesystem into the right (wrong?) state
[14:37] <mterry> ev, how ya doing?
[14:38] <ev> mterry: pretty good, and yourself?
[14:38] <mterry> ev, klattimer and I think we've got localized geonames results
[14:38] <ev> hooray!
[14:38] <mterry> two branches: https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/ubuntu-geonames/search-alt/+merge/56647 and https://code.launchpad.net/~karl-qdh/ubuntu-geonames/with-charset/+merge/56753
[14:38] <mterry> first allows one to search over the altnames
[14:38] <mterry> second allows you to use funky characters
[14:38] <mterry> we swiped it from a forum post
[14:39] <mterry> seems to allow results for chinese characters for example, though we don't know how accurate it is, since we don't speak chinese
[14:39] <mterry> but we figured we can wait for bug reports...  :-/
[14:39] <ev> hah
[14:39] <ev> awesome
[14:39] <ev> odd, I just saw his merge request but yours hasn't come through yet
[14:40] <ev> I'll have a look now
[14:41] <ev> ah, nevermind, there it is
[14:47] <superm1> ev, any idea what the default timeout is supposed to be on the geonames stuff in ubi-timezone?  it doesn't seem to be explicitly set
[14:51] <ev> oo, yikes that's quite the oversight
[14:51] <ev> from what I can tell reading the code there is no timeout
[14:52] <ev> as that's determined by socket.setdefaulttimeout(), which has a default value of None, indicating no timeout.
[15:05] <CIA-7> netcfg: cjwatson * r1249 ubuntu/ (96release-dhcp-lease debian/changelog debian/netcfg.install):
[15:05] <CIA-7> netcfg: Move release-dhcp-lease finish-install script after unmounting
[15:05] <CIA-7> netcfg: filesystems, to avoid interfering with iSCSI.
[15:08] <CIA-7> netcfg: cjwatson * r1250 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.60ubuntu3
[15:15] <superm1> ev, oh fun.  that explains my weirdness where I can't get out of hangs behind a proxy
[15:24] <ev> superm1: not sure why I went with urllib2 in the first place, given that I presume asynchronous callbacks are available in gio for this sort of thing.
[15:24] <ev> with a timeout still set, of course
[15:43] <ev> mterry: looks good, about to merge.
[15:43] <mterry> ev, awesome.  hopefully we get some non-English feedback
[15:43] <ev> well I just tried Shanghai in Chinese and it worked fine, but indeed
[15:45] <mterry> good
[15:45] <ev> oh interesting
[15:46] <ev> I was actually trying without the branches merged by accident and the search worked (though returned English results)
[15:46] <ev> no matter
[15:52] <mterry> ev, well...  I'm surprised it matched the chinese
[15:52] <mterry> ev, but you could get altname results before, but they would return the canonical English name, yah
[15:53] <ev> indeed
[15:55] <ev> we should make unit tests for this.  Perhaps a fun thing for me to play with over the weekend if I find time.
[16:02] <ev> mterry: does http://localhost/?query=上海 work for you?  Wondering if I just haven't recached something.
[16:03] <mterry> ev, ('Shanghai - \xe4\xb8\x8a\xe6\xb5\xb7', 'Shanghai Shi', 'China', 121.45806, 31.22222)
[16:03] <mterry> ('\xe4\xb8\x8a\xe6\xb5\xb7', 'Shanghai Shi', 'China', 121.45806, 31.22222)
[16:03] <mterry> ('\xe4\xb8\x8a\xe6\xb5\xb7', 'Shanghai Shi', 'China', 121.45806, 31.22222)
[16:03] <mterry> ('\xe4\xb8\x8a\xe6\xb5\xb7', 'Shanghai Shi', 'China', 121.45806, 31.22222)
[16:03] <mterry> ('\xe4\xb8\x8a\xe6\xb5\xb7', 'Zhejiang Sheng', 'China', 121.05804, 29.32955)
[16:03] <mterry> we should probably do something about those duplicate results.  they were there before this round of patches and I've dealt with it client-side
[16:03] <mterry> but just seems inefficient
[16:08] <ev> ah, the problem was chrome
[16:08] <ev> doing it by hand in python worked fine
[16:08] <ev> okay merging for reals now
[16:16] <ev> contacting IS now
[16:21] <ev> and done
[16:45] <mterry> ev, something I realized...  the admin and country names aren't translated...   does the data provide that?
[17:54] <superm1> ev, asynchronous would be better for the whole page if possible.  there's a hang before the page starts when rdate is trying to contact ntp.ubuntu.com too
[18:38] <CarlFK> ev: can you look over and maybe triage  bug 728710
[18:38] <CarlFK> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/728710 "d-i apt-setup/local0/repository not working"
[19:09] <CarlFK> any clue how long it is?
[19:09] <CarlFK> whops, wrong chan
[22:50] <CIA-7> rootskel: cjwatson * r630 ubuntu/ (9 files in 6 dirs): merge from Debian 1.94
[22:53] <CIA-7> rootskel: cjwatson * r631 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.94ubuntu1
[23:13] <CIA-7> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1435 ubuntu/ (57 files in 2 dirs): Update help text translations from Launchpad.
[23:16] <CIA-7> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1436 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20101020ubuntu27
[23:16] <cjwatson> (actually arranging to have that uploaded in two hours' time via at(1), in order to include the new rootskel)


[00:06] <ScottK> Anyone else try to tether to a mobile in 13.10? Worked great in previous releases.   Completely borked for me now.
[07:45] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:18] <benvantende> good morning
[09:00] <lordievader> Hey benvantende, how are you?
[09:01] <benvantende> heyla lordievader all fine. will be a weekend of work, preparing presentations for the TYPO3 conference
[09:01] <lordievader> TYPO3 what is that?
[09:02] <benvantende> typo3.org
[09:02] <benvantende> CMS
[09:04] <lordievader> Ah okay, have fun ;)
[10:23] <tester56> hi, is there already an ppa with kde 4.12 builds?
[10:27] <tsimpson> tester56: 4.11.2 is the latest release
[10:46] <tester56> tsimpson, yeah i know ... just wanted to see what the next cycle brings
[11:53] <shadeslayer> valorie: Quintasan yofel sorry about last night, I left the office for a early dinner and then ... things went as they usually do on a friday
[11:56] <soee> good morning
[11:57] <shadeslayer> afternoon soee
[11:58] <shadeslayer> ScottK has my new number, but seeing how he's away this weekend :P
[12:30] <apachelogger> Quintasan: didn't you say you'd fix the marble-qt bug? :P
[12:53] <apachelogger> Quintasan: actually that appears to be an upstream issue
[12:54] <apachelogger> there is only one desktop file and it got Exec=marble %F so that would not workanyway
[12:54] <apachelogger>     install (TARGETS marble-qt RUNTIME DESTINATION bin )
[12:54] <apachelogger>     install( FILES marble.desktop DESTINATION ${APPS_INSTALL_DIR})
[13:00]  * apachelogger attempts uefi install with proposed auto-upgrade
[13:09] <yofel> shadeslayer: I assumed as much ;P
[13:19] <apachelogger> ScottK, shadeslayer: enabling updates in ubiquity will lead to fixed grub on UEFI \o/
[13:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: awesome :D
[14:22] <yossarianuk> apachelogger: is that the case now?
[14:22] <yossarianuk> i.e I can just do a normal install wuth updates and it should all be fine and dandy.
[14:39] <yossarianuk> shadeslayer: sorry - have the grub updates been put in normal updates now :?
[14:40] <shadeslayer> doesn't look like it
[14:41] <shadeslayer> yossarianuk: I suppose apachelogger modified ubiquity or sth
[14:41] <yossarianuk> ah ok - thanks
[15:07] <apachelogger> reading helps a lot
[15:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ubiquity has a 'upgrade from -proposed' option?
[15:15] <apachelogger> no, I described one though
[15:15] <apachelogger> that being said... debian-intaller has one, so you could technically set it on the d-i database
[15:15] <apachelogger> alas, I have no clue how to do that :P
[15:16] <shadeslayer> right
[15:45] <akoma1s> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/1243399
[15:46] <akoma1s> Hi all, I have attached a patch that fixes the above bug (new in 13.10), could someone review it please?
[15:55] <ahoneybun> hey littlegirl
[15:56] <littlegirl> Hey there, ahoneybun. I'm sorry about how it went yesterday. I hope that us joking around a bit lightened it a bit for you.
[15:56] <littlegirl> Also, I would *not* have wanted to answer some of those questions, and I can already tell you that I will never voluntarily put myself through that. I'll just remain a drive-by contributor. (:
[15:57] <ahoneybun> littlegirl, its fine
[15:57] <ahoneybun> lol
[15:57] <littlegirl> Are you gonna try it again some time?
[15:57] <ahoneybun> littlegirl, depends how the list goes
[15:58] <ahoneybun> I still don't know if I am a member yet
[15:58] <ahoneybun> need 2 more votes out of the other 4 members
[15:58] <littlegirl> Well, you're definitely enthusiastic. (:
[15:58] <ahoneybun> KC
[15:58] <littlegirl> Oh! You mean it could still go your way?
[15:58] <ahoneybun> yep :)
[15:58] <ahoneybun> only  2 of the 6 were here
[15:58] <littlegirl> Ah, well, then I'll cross my fingers for you that it worked. (:
[15:59] <ahoneybun> the other 4 need to vote
[15:59] <littlegirl> Are the other four gonna read through the logs and decide later?
[15:59] <ahoneybun> Mailing List and that
[15:59]  * littlegirl is starting to think the charcoal stuff might not have been such a good idea after all if they're gonna wade through it. (:
[15:59]  * apachelogger would like to reassure littlegirl that those were nice questions :P
[15:59] <ahoneybun> btw nice work akoma1s I don't know how to review that but still liek the work
[16:00] <ahoneybun> *like
[16:00] <littlegirl> apachelogger: LOL, I about fell off my chair when they asked ahoneybun what's different about Kubuntu from other operating systems that offer KDE. My answer would have been, "Uh... uhhhhmmmmm....." (:
[16:00] <akoma1s> thanks :)
[16:00] <ahoneybun> just wondering what would you have voted  apachelogger
[16:00]  * littlegirl doesn't check out the competition
[16:00] <akoma1s> I'd be glad if someone pulled the right strings if it's an acceptable solution, as acpi-support seems unmaintained to me.
[16:01] <ahoneybun> littlegirl, I hoped around a lot
[16:01] <yossarianuk> most others don;t have an ubuntu base.....
[16:01] <apachelogger> ahoneybun: I am not on the council anymore, I don't have opinions :P
[16:01]  * littlegirl nods at ahoneybun
[16:01] <ahoneybun> apachelogger, your still a person lol
[16:01] <yossarianuk> Ubuntu have a good base - shame about its default (spam) desktop
[16:02] <ahoneybun> littlegirl, I did like Arch but a bit unstable with the updates
[16:02] <ahoneybun> I broke my system once or twice
[16:02] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: I tried Debian at one point, but it doesn't hold your hand the way Kubuntu does, and it leaves you to figure a lot of stuff out. The only other thing I've ever compared Kubuntu with was my son's copy of Ubuntu, which didn't look like anything I'd want to use. After that I just stuck with Kubuntu. (:
[16:03] <apachelogger> ahoneybun: I agree with what valorie said though .... most members only applied after a year or so ... so becoming member is a motivational factor for a year and then it becomes a reward for a year of steady contribution
[16:03] <littlegirl> Only eight months to go, ahoneybun. (:
[16:03] <ahoneybun> apachelogger, I do think I can contribute  more
[16:04] <ahoneybun> littlegirl, I think I have been working for about 4-5 months
[16:04] <yossarianuk> littlegirl: debian's kde version is very behind the present stable - its like running kde from 2 years ago...
[16:04] <ahoneybun> I think a little after 13.04 came out
[16:04] <littlegirl> yossarianuk: I loved KDE3. I wish they were still using it. (:
[16:05] <yossarianuk> I meant like KDE4 was 2 years ago....
[16:05] <yossarianuk> i.e missing out on quite a lot .
[16:05] <yossarianuk> (maybe its more 1 year ago...)
[16:05] <littlegirl> Oh, okay, then that's awful. KDE4 still has some kinks to iron out. (:
[16:05] <apachelogger> ahoneybun: amount of contribution doesn't really matter, also docs alone is a very sizable contribution already
[16:05] <ahoneybun> apachelogger, not that amount matter but I could do more just to do more :)
[16:06] <littlegirl> yossarianuk: Apparently someone took KDE3 and is continuing to work on it under a new name. I will keep my eye out for it and if it becomes mature, I'll probably use it. (:
[16:06] <apachelogger> more is always nice ;)
[16:06] <apachelogger> it was mature 4 years ago
[16:06] <apachelogger> now it is just broken
[16:07] <littlegirl> apachelogger: I mean the new one. It's called Trinity or something like that, and at this point it's probably still considered a start-up compared with other desktops. (:
[16:07] <apachelogger> it's not new
[16:07] <apachelogger> it started right after KDE 4.1 originally as a continuation of Kubuntu KDE 3 packages
[16:08] <ahoneybun> littlegirl, btw I'm on Ubuntu right now not Kubuntu
[16:08] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: Really? How come? That's actually kind of funny. I use Kubuntu and was doing a lot of Kubuntu documentation work and now I do a lot of Ubuntu documentation work but I use Kubuntu. (:
[16:08] <apachelogger> the problem is KDE 3 was big and a rather sizable team maintained it, it is not something one guy could move forward in their spare time
[16:09] <littlegirl> apachelogger: Is there hope for the team that took it over?
[16:09] <apachelogger> so what you get by now is a desktop that will either have partially broken features or features that are simply no longer available
[16:09] <ahoneybun> littlegirl, just wanted to see Unity in 13.10, very smooth tbh
[16:09] <apachelogger> half the middleware that builds a system right now did not exist back then and hence there is no support for it
[16:10] <apachelogger> littlegirl: very unlikely
[16:10] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: I tried it in a VM and it's not for me.  I'd love to see Kubuntu return to it. I loved it, and found its way of being controlled (like how it behaves or looks) to be easier to manage than KDE4. KDE4 is also *way* more resource intensive.
[16:10] <apachelogger> pulseaudio did not exist
[16:11] <apachelogger> littlegirl: that's actually not true ... by default it is more resource intensive because it has all the goodyness
[16:11] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: I can see where it would be nice on a tablet, though. (:
[16:12] <apachelogger> however if you take away the goodyness it is about the same as KDE3
[16:12] <littlegirl> apachelogger: Yeah, and I'm a simple kind of girl. I don't use all the goodyness. Just the basics. (:
[16:12] <ahoneybun> littlegirl, I like KDE Active then that
[16:13] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: Yep, I'm waiting for them to get done testing it on my tablet and then I'll install it. I'm all kinds of excited about it, because the Android interface is terrible, and I've been a Kubuntu user for years, so it would be nice to have Kubuntu on the tablet as well. (:L
[16:13] <ahoneybun> littlegirl, the one based on SUSE is nice on the Nexus 7 just needed more testing
[16:13] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: I'll wait for Kubuntu Active, because from what I saw it looks really nice. (:
[16:14] <ahoneybun> littlegirl, I just like deb more then rpm and know it better
[16:14] <littlegirl> Kubuntu trumps Ubuntu by having Kubuntu Active as a separate thing from Kubuntu. Ubuntu seems to be doing its tablet interface in the main OS. Kubuntu wins. (:
[16:15] <littlegirl> Same here, ahoneybun. I have no working knowledge of rpm. (:
[16:15] <apachelogger> (Kubuntu Active will not get hardware support unless someone works on it)
[16:15] <ahoneybun> littlegirl, I have messed with Fedora, OpenSUSE, Arch, Debian, Kubuntu, Ubuntu,
[16:16] <littlegirl> apachelogger: Luckily one of the test tablets is the same tablet I have. (:
[16:16] <apachelogger> i.e. to get stuff working sensible on device X one needs to do all sorts of tweaking and kernel building and stuff, and all that work does not mean it will work on device Y
[16:16] <apachelogger> terribly impractical
[16:16] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: You've messed with more systems than I have!
[16:16] <apachelogger> littlegirl: goody
[16:16] <Quintasan> hell
[16:16] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I just arrived at the same conclusion
[16:17] <Quintasan> I should have bothered to check IRC before doing anything
[16:17] <apachelogger> conclusion: when apachelogger highlights you, read what apachelogger wrote.
[16:17] <littlegirl> apachelogger: Yeah, I was very excited to find that out. It means I'll be able to Just Use It when the time comes rather than having to do any tweaks or work-arounds, because they'll have tested the heck out of it on my device. (:
[16:17] <Quintasan> apachelogger: The worst thing is that you usually hurl garbage at me when you ping me
[16:17] <Quintasan> :P
[16:18] <apachelogger> excuse me?
[16:18] <Quintasan> >Army of Mushrooms
[16:18] <Quintasan> >Infected Mushrooms
[16:18] <apachelogger> GARBAGE
[16:18] <apachelogger> DUDE
[16:18] <Quintasan> I SAY
[16:19] <apachelogger> https://soundcloud.com/uncle-ooh/nine-inc-inch-nails-god-given
[16:19] <ahoneybun> littlegirl, I think I should check out the image for active now
[16:19] <Quintasan> Diverting apachelogger's rage towards shadeslayer...Done.
[16:19] <yossarianuk> It is mushroom reason here......
[16:19] <yossarianuk> *season*
[16:19] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: I haven't checked lately. Let me know if they've got it running well on the Nexus. (:
[16:20] <ahoneybun> littlegirl, nexus 7?
[16:20] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: Yep!
[16:20] <ahoneybun> I have that as well
[16:21] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: They're testing on it, which means when they get it working, it will work for us. (:
[16:21] <ahoneybun> yep
[16:22] <ahoneybun> latest is 13.04
[16:22] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: I can't wait. It will be so nice to properly be able to transfer data between my computer and the tablet. Right now I can do it, but I'm always converting stuff, because they don't both run the same software. (:
[16:26] <ahoneybun> littlegirl, I think I will test Ubuntu touch first
[17:08] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: Sorry, had to go for a bit. Let me know how that goes with Ubuntu touch. (:
[17:30] <ahoneybun> littlegirl, glitchly
[17:32] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: I'll wait until Kubuntu Active is rock solid and then grab it. (:
[17:33] <Quintasan> littlegirl: That's going to take a lot of time
[17:33] <Quintasan> I've been running Plasma Active on Archos Gen9 and it's a long way from what I could call "smooth" or "rock solid"
[17:34] <Quintasan> the worst thing is that we don't have a Nexus-class device where we could actually see how it works when optimized.
[17:34] <Quintasan> Since graphics drivers are mostly binary blobs
[17:34] <Quintasan> at least on ARM-based devices
[17:35] <Quintasan> There's been the Vivaldi project but I have absolutely no idea at what stage is it.
[17:35] <Quintasan> Or if it's even still alive for that matter.
[17:37] <littlegirl> Quintasan: I'm patient. (:
[17:37] <Quintasan> I believe it's a matter of how long the market is willing to wait
[17:37] <littlegirl> Quintasan: Right now my tablet is an overgrown toy that I use for purely entertainment purposes. If it could run Kubuntu, however, it would suddenly become another environment capable of handling the documents I work on on my computer.
[17:38] <littlegirl> Quintasan: Sadly, there is yet to be a personal wiki or tree-style information manager that works on both Android and Kubuntu and can interchange information, so currently I do converstions and have to make changes at either end when transferring stuff, so I don't do anything big on the tablet.
[18:06] <ahoneybun> littlegirl, Kubuntu would be nice
[18:06] <ahoneybun> is nice on the Nexus 7
[18:09] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: I'll bet. (:
[20:44] <soee> there is strange issue/glitch when loading aamrok
[22:40] <soee> someone online ?
[22:43] <valorie> afaik Vivaldi effort continues
[22:44] <valorie> but if even Canonical can't get a big lump of money to make it's Edge phone
[22:44] <valorie> it's a lot harder to get guaranteed Free hardware in small lots
[22:48] <soee> someone using telepathy ?
[22:49] <valorie> are you testing it, soee?
[22:49]  * valorie has never set it up, as I sort of hate IMing
[22:50] <soee> valorie, im using it, but i cant make contact list plasmoid to wortk
[22:50] <valorie> boo
[22:50] <valorie> any bugs reported for that?
[22:51] <soee> havent check yet
[23:42] <jalcine> the closest for Android to KDE syncing now is the KDE Connect project
[23:42] <jalcine> which, imho, is pure brilliance :)
[23:43] <valorie> working well for you, jalcine?
[23:44] <jalcine> yup; texting, calling and notifications quite well
[23:44] <valorie> and if yes, did you build it from source?
[23:44] <jalcine> I did build from source only notifications was working; but the saucy release worked better for me
[23:45] <valorie> that's great to hear; I understood there were problems with the package
[23:45] <valorie> glad to hear it is working for you
[23:45] <jalcine> ;)
[23:46] <valorie> ok, I need to go prepare for dinner
[23:48] <jalcine> o/ hope it's great!
[23:51] <ahoneybun> hey valorie
[23:51] <ahoneybun> damn


[04:56] <Mirv> thanks Laney & co, good that there is a decision wrt to packagekit
[06:39] <Saviq> trainguards, can someone please retry those builds for us https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-001/+build/10582957 https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-001/+build/10583028 - it's a flaky test it seems
[06:39] <Saviq> now https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-001/+build/10583430 is something completely different - any idea where's libsystem-settings-dev gone ¿? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/22780559/
[06:41]  * Saviq → -release
[06:41] <Saviq> oh grr, I'm already here...
[06:41] <Saviq> so yeah, @all, any idea what's happened with libsystem-settings-dev in proposed amd64? it's there for i386 http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/22780603/
[06:42] <Saviq> https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-073/+build/10540325 says it should be there, so it got lost somewhere ¿?
[06:59] <Mirv> Saviq: :D retrying
[07:03] <Mirv> Saviq: the log says it's not being installed (due to something), not that it wouldn't be there. the problem is that slangasek deleted https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/yakkety/amd64/libsystemsettings-dev but did not delete https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/yakkety/amd64/libsystemsettings1 . theory is he was only supposed to remove s390x of each src:ubuntu-system-settings package, but ended up deleting
[07:03] <Mirv> libsystemsettings-dev on amd64 too
[07:06] <Saviq> Mirv, well, yeah I checked that it's not there... at least apt policy says so, any idea how to fix? do we need to reupload src:ubuntu-system-settings, or will that bring s390x back...
[07:07] <Mirv> Saviq: we'd need ubuntu-system-settings with https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/ubuntu-system-settings/stop_s390x_problems_depend_on_upstart/+merge/302143 added
[07:08] <Saviq> only where... https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/tickets?active_only&search=ubuntu-system-settings
[07:09] <Saviq> biab
[07:10] <Mirv> 060 is the priority according to trello logs
[09:14] <tseliot> apw: hey, can you approve nvidia-367 in yakkety NEW, please?
[10:03] <LocutusOfBorg> cjwatson, FYI we should be good until level 10
[10:03]  * LocutusOfBorg haskell side
[10:05] <ogra_> so haskell is actually a game ! i knew it seeing all these masses of uploads every cycle !!
[10:06] <Laney> karma factory
[10:06]  * ogra_ waits to see the haskell-endboos package uploaded
[10:06] <ogra_> *endboss
[10:06] <LocutusOfBorg> lol
[10:07] <LocutusOfBorg> the princess in another castle (citation needed)
[10:07] <LocutusOfBorg> s/in/is in/
[10:08] <ginggs> transition tracker tetris
[10:24] <Mirv> seb128: Laney: so is the ETA for unlocking transition earlier end of this week? I'm pondering whether to explode potential can of GCC6 worms by a qtbase and qtdeclarative updates or whether to do this one transition first. copying those would trigger thousands of autopkgtests again.
[10:24] <Mirv> s/earlier/earliest/
[10:24] <Laney> I would wait if I were you
[10:25] <Mirv> Laney: ok then
[10:25] <Mirv> there's no hurry with those as such
[10:27] <Mirv> there may be a UITK s390x fix now happening, while leaving camitk itksnap jacktrip nifti2dicom nomacs still there (ffmpeg? webp?) plus the lubuntu-qt-desktop/muon/plasma-discover regarding pkg-kit 1.0
[10:32] <Mirv> well the landers will be in a painful situation, but the pain won't stop until the migration is done anyway
[10:33] <Laney> Mirv: If you want to do the packagekit stuff you can, btw
[10:40] <Mirv> I can do monkey work, but otherwise not familiar at all with packagekit
[10:41] <Laney> It is monkey work
[10:43] <Mirv> I see "upload click to drop the packagekit backend binary" bug #1496292 but it was unclear to me reading yesterday's discussion if that should be done or if need to wait for the Unity 8 feature first
[10:45] <Laney> Mirv: The decision was to do it, and have a gap before the new feature is ready
[10:45] <Laney> So drop that, find any reverse dependencies and mutilate those until they give in
[10:47]  * Mirv goes monkeying click, ubuntu-touch seed and unity8-desktop-session
[10:47] <cjwatson> there's an existing MP for the click stuff
[10:47] <cjwatson> please use it rather than monkeying independently
[10:47] <Mirv> ok
[10:47] <Mirv> from February, nice
[10:47] <cjwatson> (I don't like it much, but it's not wrong in itself)
[10:47] <cjwatson> https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-api-team/click/drop_packagekit/+merge/285225
[10:48] <cjwatson> my disapprove vote is "I don't like this direction", not "this patch is wrong"
[10:49]  * cjwatson links the bug
[10:50]  * Mirv did the same
[10:51] <Laney> Thanks, I was just digging that up
[10:52] <Laney> It would have been better to give it the D-Bus interface that mvo worked on. Not sure why that approach wasn't pursued, but I don't propose to re-open that discussion now. :)
[10:53] <cjwatson> That's what I wanted too, but you can see my attempt to argue that in the MP above
[10:54] <cjwatson> And I don't really get to both mostly-abandon the project and control its direction :-)
[10:57] <Mirv> https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/unity8-desktop-session/drop_click_packagekit_plugin/+merge/302389
[10:57] <Mirv> https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.yakkety_drop_packagekit_plugin_click/+merge/302390
[10:57] <Mirv> the click seems to build alright
[12:44] <Mirv> so the ubuntu-system-settings wrong binaries removal is now starting to hurt, I'm trying to fastlane u-s-s rebuild into archives but without bringing the removed s390x binaries back (ie merge that one MP manually)
[14:13] <happyaron> hi, anyone can look at the SRU queue of xenial for network-manager?
[14:46] <sil2100> Laney: hey! Are you the one working on the libwebp transition? https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/auto-libwebp.html
[14:47] <sil2100> Or maybe anyone else is tracking it?
[14:49] <Laney> sil2100: a bit, why?
[15:42] <sil2100> Laney: was just wondering if maybe some help is needed there
[15:43] <Laney> sil2100: There's 2 KDE/Qtish ones that are left, that I didn't touch yet until I've examined update_output.txt a little bit
[17:44] <sergiusens> slangasek hi there, can you let that guy in please? ^
[17:45] <slangasek> Mirv, Saviq: ugh; did ubuntu-system-settings get sorted already?  it is possible to recover the binaries (sorry, I thought I had ^Ced my wrong deletion in time but apparently not), if that would help
[17:45] <slangasek> sergiusens: looking
[17:47] <slangasek> sergiusens: can you confirm (on the bug) whether the packaging QA has already been done, or is yet to be done, per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SnapcraftUpdates ?
[17:49] <sergiusens> slangasek that usually happens with the binary debs that end up built in -proposed
[17:49] <slangasek> sergiusens: ok
[17:50] <sergiusens> slangasek I ask elopio to clarify that part of the wiki
[17:50] <slangasek> sergiusens: accepted
[17:50] <sergiusens> slangasek thanks
[18:23] <Mirv> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#ubuntu-ui-toolkit would need to be run with --all-proposed to pick up a fixed unity8
[18:24] <Mirv> slangasek: yes that one is fixed
[18:24] <Mirv> same for http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#ubuntu-system-settings
[18:28] <slangasek> Mirv: ubuntu-ui-toolkit shows no blocking test failures
[18:29] <slangasek> for ubuntu-system-settings, I guess it's the unity8 tests that need rerun?
[18:30] <slangasek> (retriggered)
[18:33] <Mirv> slangasek: does not? the same unity8 tests are red for ui-toolkit too. http://people.ubuntu.com/~timo-jyrinki/uitk.png
[18:34] <Mirv> cjwatson: Laney: sil2100: it seems that the click branch https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-api-team/click/drop_packagekit/+merge/285225 was unfortunately not enough for click's own autopkgtests: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#click
[18:34] <slangasek> Mirv: ok, let me hit refresh in my browser and look again ;)
[18:34] <slangasek> Mirv: hey, lookie there. ok.
[18:35] <slangasek> Mirv: retriggered for both
[18:36] <Mirv> slangasek: ok :) thanks, --all-proposed is generally now needed since so much is in proposed. that click issue is one of the remaining blockers, although now landed it fails its own autopkgtests.
[18:46] <bdmurray> slangasek: Could you have a look at my update-manager upload in the trusty SRU queue?
[19:04] <slangasek> bdmurray: looking
[19:05] <slangasek> bdmurray: I don't understand the code change; does 'universal_newlines=True' implicitly trigger decode()?
[19:06] <slangasek> bdmurray: ok, the documentation tells me that "yes"
[19:06] <bdmurray> slangasek: yes
[19:06] <slangasek> accepted
[19:07] <coreycb> bdmurray, hello, when you have a moment can you take a look at releasing python-keystonemiddleware for xenial?  bug 1533724 has been verified.
[19:09] <bdmurray> coreycb: done
[19:09] <coreycb> bdmurray, thanks
[23:58] <mwhudson> can someone delete juju-mongodb2.6 from yakkety-proposed?
[23:58] <mwhudson> the package in release was deleted a couple of days ago
[23:59] <mwhudson> (see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/juju-mongodb2.6/+bug/1610778)


[01:25] <Torgoton> I know this isn't a support room, but nobody in #ubuntu is able to help. I can't even get the installer to start, and I've been installing Linux for years. Is someone up for a challenge?
[01:26] <Torgoton> Here's the startup and nearly immediate crash log: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48887/ (had to capture with serial console)
[01:48] <finchx6> anyone here??
[02:26] <cjwatson_> argh, Torgoton left again
[02:28] <cjwatson> I've helped him by /msg; he wanted the separate 386 build of the installer, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/386/mini.iso
[02:40] <Torgoton> Shall I try again here?
[07:24] <bluszcz> hell
[07:24] <bluszcz> i've created dapper server install with new kernel 2.6.22, but installer shouts "lack of kernel modules". anyone can help me?
[10:47] <cjwatson> bluszcz: porting dapper to 2.6.22 is very very hard. Unless you're already an installer expert (in which case you won't need help) I would strongly advise not attempting it.
[10:47] <cjwatson> bluszcz: what is the hardware problem that is leading you to do this?
[11:00] <thoreauputic> I realise that this is not a support channel, but I have a rather developer-like issue and I'm wondering if anyone can point me at some docs. I have made a live CD based on 7.04 and am trying to create a simple install to hard disk option.
[11:01] <thoreauputic> Google is not helping me :) The wiki concentrates on graphical and usb installs, etc...
[11:01] <thoreauputic> What should I read?
[11:03] <thoreauputic> Oh, the CD is withour X - http://inx.maincontent.net "INX IS Not X"
[11:03] <thoreauputic> s/withour/without
[11:05] <cjwatson> feisty's ubiquity didn't really have anything resembling a text mode
[11:06] <cjwatson> gutsy's is getting there, but whether you can run that on feisty ...
[11:06] <thoreauputic> cjwatson: hi
[11:06] <cjwatson> you could try starting by backporting gutsy's ubiquity, I gues
[11:06] <cjwatson> s
[11:06] <thoreauputic> cjwatson: I naively supposed that I could dump the loop mounted filesystem.squashfs onto the drive..
[11:07] <cjwatson> well, that's the core of ubiquity, but it kind of has to do some other stuff too :)
[11:07] <thoreauputic> there'e an initrd mismatch or something of the sort?
[11:07] <cjwatson> you have to configure locales, timezones, username/password
[11:07] <cjwatson> keyboard
[11:07] <cjwatson> you have to do partitioning
[11:07] <cjwatson> you have to remove the installer itself from the system after you've copied it
[11:07] <cjwatson> bunch of stuff like that
[11:07] <thoreauputic> cjwatson: that's OK - first I just need it to boot :)
[11:08] <cjwatson> I suspect that if you try, you'll end up reinventing ubiquity
[11:08] <thoreauputic> exactly
[11:08] <thoreauputic> which is why I'm here :)
[11:08] <cjwatson> I'm not interested in helping people reinvent ubiquity ;-)
[11:08] <thoreauputic> and I'm pleased that you are taking the time to talk to me, thanks
[11:08] <cjwatson> like I say, I would start by backporting gutsy's ubiquity, and work from there ...
[11:08] <thoreauputic> I don't want to reinvent anything!
[11:09] <cjwatson> there are likely to be a few issues like console-setup mismatch
[11:09] <thoreauputic> OK, so this is not trivial...
[11:09] <thoreauputic> obviously :)
[11:09] <cjwatson> unfortunately not yet
[11:10] <thoreauputic> The partitiobing I have working adequately
[11:10] <cjwatson> oh, hmm, even in gutsy there's only a noninteractive frontend, bah
[11:10] <cjwatson> I got confused
[11:10] <cjwatson> I'd actually like somebody to write a decent text frontend
[11:11] <thoreauputic> This CD is aimed at helping people become familiar with CLI
[11:11] <thoreauputic> plus have some fun with thr framebuffer ( mplayer etc)
[11:16] <thoreauputic> http://inx.maincontent.net/album/1.png.html  <-- slideshow of the CD in action
[11:16] <cjwatson> yeah, I'd really love to have a better answer here in ubiquity
[11:16] <cjwatson> we just don't really as yet
[11:17] <thoreauputic> will ubiquity run on directfb ? :)
[11:17] <cjwatson> hmm, just uses gtk, don't see why it shouldn't
[11:18] <cjwatson> Paging the Man> haha
[11:18] <thoreauputic> cjwatson: so far all the doc I have read on directfb are either incomprehensible or impossible with the available Ubuntu packages
[11:18] <thoreauputic> :)
[11:20] <thoreauputic> cjwatson: I make heavy use of GNU Screen :)
[11:20] <thoreauputic> on INX
[11:20] <cjwatson> I think you have to relink it against gtk+-directfb
[11:20] <cjwatson> which might involve producing rebuilt versions of python-gtk and ubiquity
[11:20] <thoreauputic> OK I'm out of my depth, I fear
[11:20] <thoreauputic> :(
[11:22] <thoreauputic> So, there's no relatively straightforward method for writing a shell script that puts a simple live CD without X onto the hard drive? I can do it from an ordnary install of course...
[11:23] <cjwatson> so, you could certainly look at ubiquity/scripts/install.py and clone the bits that copy everything across
[11:23] <cjwatson> if you're booting with casper, then the read-only part of the CD should be in /rofs
[11:24] <thoreauputic> By the way, the Gutsy kernel is a pain to get working with framebuffer ( yes, ive read the bug)
[11:24] <cjwatson> so using 'cp -a' on that should be a good start
[11:24] <thoreauputic> cjwatson: yes I already did that - also tried loop mounting the casper/filesystem.squashfs
[11:25] <thoreauputic> both produce an apparently complete file system, but neither noots from hard drive
[11:25] <thoreauputic> with grub pointing in the right direction, of course
[11:25] <cjwatson> you'll probably need to chroot /blah update-initramfs
[11:25] <cjwatson> -u
[11:25] <thoreauputic> aha
[11:26] <cjwatson> see the configure_hardware function in ubiquity/scripts/install.py
[11:26] <thoreauputic> and how do I get grub to recognise the hard drive from the chroot?
[11:26] <cjwatson> that also has to fix up the kernel symlinks
[11:27] <cjwatson> so do check the code, since it's not entirely trivial
[11:27] <cjwatson> bind-mounting /proc and /dev into the chroot should do it
[11:27] <thoreauputic> OK - so the initrd and vmlinuz are not the right ones by default, correct?
[11:27] <cjwatson> (mount --bind /proc /target/proc etc.)
[11:27] <thoreauputic> OK thanks - I'' look at all that
[11:28] <thoreauputic> * I'll
[11:29] <thoreauputic> the alternative ( not very nice for most users) is to use debootstrap and download the whole thing, followed by config etc.
[11:30] <thoreauputic> cjwatson: thanks for the pointers - I shall delve more deeply :)
[11:33] <xivulon> cjwatson you think you can merge the wubi patches after alpha2?
[11:33] <xivulon> I'd like to have everything ready for alpha3 if possible
[11:35] <thoreauputic> cjwatson: thanks for your help - I shall leave you in peace now :) Hope you have a good holiday!
[11:36] <cjwatson> xivulon: I'll see what I can do, but I don't want to promise anything as for almost all of that time I'll be on holiday
[11:36] <cjwatson> xivulon: evand might be around for some of that time, and he's core-dev now
[11:36] <cjwatson> thoreauputic: if you do find that doing a text frontend for ubiquity is the right answer, we'd be more than happy to work on merging it
[11:37] <thoreauputic> cjwatson: So far I'm really only an amateur bash scripter - if I learn more I might actually become useful at some stage :)
[11:38] <thoreauputic> I have a couple of people looking at the installer project - obe of them might come up with something, you never know
[11:38] <thoreauputic> *one
[11:40] <thoreauputic> cjwatson: I've looked at "bootcd" and "debian-live", but neither of them are as useful as casper as far as i can see
[11:41] <thoreauputic> although I know debian-live used casper at some stage
[11:42] <cjwatson> debian-live uses something called live-initramfs which is a fork of casper
[11:42] <cjwatson> but for Ubuntu it's better to use casper, I suspect
[11:42] <cjwatson> though somebody should work on merging back changes
[11:43] <thoreauputic> anyway, thanks again - I'm off to Google. :)
[11:43] <thoreauputic> bye!
[11:49] <xivulon> cjwatson: sure, I'll bother evand
[11:55] <CIA-22> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2397 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog scripts/install.py ubiquity/osextras.py):
[11:55] <CIA-22> ubiquity: * udev 117 merged all udev tools into a single binary called udevadm.
[11:55] <CIA-22> ubiquity:  Check for this and use it instead of udevinfo if available.
[11:59] <CIA-22> grub-installer: cjwatson * r720 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog grub-installer):
[11:59] <CIA-22> grub-installer: * udev 117 merged all udev tools into a single binary called udevadm.
[11:59] <CIA-22> grub-installer:  Check for this and use it instead of udevinfo if available.
[12:01] <CIA-22> partman-basicfilesystems: cjwatson * r553 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog init.d/auto_mountpoints):
[12:01] <CIA-22> partman-basicfilesystems: * udev 117 merged all udev tools into a single binary called udevadm.
[12:01] <CIA-22> partman-basicfilesystems:  Check for this and use it instead of udevinfo if available.
[12:33] <cjwatson> xivulon: for future reference, please use 'diff -u' when generating patches; diff's default output is not very good for most purposes
[12:53] <xivulon> cjwatson: np, let me know if you need me to regenerate the current diffs
[12:54] <cjwatson> wouldn't hurt but probably isn't necessary
[12:58] <xivulon> I can do that tonight
[12:58] <xivulon> for update-grub you can also diff against http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/lupin/hardy/annotate/ago%40nbago-20071212234211-5cirxnh5zfkgqvzh?file_id=updategrub-20071021190150-hexwoe8fo26l1f9b-10
[13:00] <xivulon> and for autopartition-loop http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/wubi/hardy/annotate/ago%40nbago-20071211014514-8sofvucs11hvdfwy?file_id=autopartitionloop-20071008002841-x6i7u2jcizw74pyu-7
[13:01] <xivulon> update-grub above should address bug 175772
[13:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 175772 in grub "Update-grub does not set kopt correctly in loopinstallations" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175772
[13:01] <xivulon> autopartition-loop bug 176019
[13:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 176019 in partman-auto-loop "Disk images might be generated on the Windows side" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176019
[13:02] <xivulon> I would not put such patches onto alpha2 though
[13:11] <xivulon> lupin/hardy (casper+lupin-support) would also need to be used in the CD
[13:12] <xivulon> lupin-support should almost vanish after the patches are in
[13:14] <cjwatson> could you please add entries to debian/changelog when committing to lupin? Saves me having to write them after the fact for you :-)
[13:21] <bluszcz> cjwatson: i manage it@
[13:21] <bluszcz> i finally create my own dapper with new kernel
[13:21] <bluszcz> cjwatson: some times ago i was debian maintainer ;)
[13:22] <cjwatson> did you backport udev too?
[13:23] <bluszcz> cjwatson: not yet, but actually parts needed by me works fine (installer with new kernel, udeb files)
[13:24] <bluszcz> cjwatson: it wasn't hard
[13:24] <bluszcz> cjwatson: tricky was, because some pkg-list/config has been changed in di
[13:26] <cjwatson> yes
[13:27] <cjwatson> this is why I don't advise it to non-experts - you have to keep track of the changes there and get it just right
[13:46] <xivulon> cjwatson: sure, (slowly) getting up to speed with established procedures ;P
[13:50] <xivulon> when will 2.6.24 land on the daily builds?
[13:50] <xivulon> +/-
[14:08] <cjwatson> I think it's already there
[14:08] <cjwatson> subject to build failures
[14:11] <cjwatson> AFAICS today's daily builds have it
[14:14] <xivulon> nice! wanted to check whether the hanging bugs are gone!
[14:17] <cjwatson> I'm pretty sure these dailies are very raw so you may run into other issues
[14:25] <CIA-22> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2398 ubiquity/ (aclocal.m4 configure configure.ac): bump to 1.7.3
[14:26] <xivulon> cjwatson, possibly the most urgent patches for me are the new lupin/casper hooks and update-grub
[14:28] <xivulon> without stable hook interface it's difficult to release anything, and update-grub is annoying to go around, all the rest I can keep overriding until the patches are upstream
[20:44] <CarlFK> does the u-server installer use the same kernel as the alt cd installer?
[22:41] <nijaba> hello. anybody knows a way to add a source in a ks or preseed autoinstall (apart from doing it in the post-install)?
[23:04] <CarlFK> nijaba: yeah... hang on
[23:05]  * nijaba is hanging on
[23:14] <cjwatson> nijaba: source as in sources.list? 'd-i apt-setup/local0/repository string http://example.com/ubuntu gutsy main'
[23:14] <CarlFK> # Additional repositories, local[0-9] available
[23:14] <CarlFK> d-i apt-setup/local0/repository string deb http://local.server/ubuntu feisty main
[23:14] <nijaba> thanks to both of you
[23:14] <cjwatson> the quote CarlFK gives is from the installation guide but unfortunately contains a mistake (in the guide itself)
[23:14] <cjwatson> you have to omit the 'deb '
[23:14] <cjwatson> this has been corrected upstream
[23:14] <CarlFK> doh
[23:15] <cjwatson> CarlFK: same kernel> yes, during installation; it installs a different one though
[23:15] <nijaba> which part of the installation guide?  I search for it before asking
[23:16] <nijaba> found it...
[23:16] <nijaba> Time to go to bed, it was in front of me !
[23:53] <xivulon> is it ok to edit the debian changelog manually?
[23:57] <xivulon> cjwatson for autopartition-loop I could commit to a new partman-auto-loop branch if you prefer


[09:41] <lifecoder> helo
 How can I manually default default audio device? I connected docking station and Lubuntu is somehow convinced that it can play audio.
 I want to continue using laptop speakers
 How can I manually set default audio device? I connected docking station and Lubuntu is somehow convinced that it can play audio.
 I want to continue using laptop speakers
 Try pavucontrol-qt
 Sadly it fails to help (re @aptghetto: Try pavucontrol-qt)
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/0bf8c56d/file_3369.jpg
 It claims that built-in audio goes to speakers
 So docking station takes over speakers then ignores sound
 Can you make sure the speakers are working properly by attaching it to another laptop? (re @matkoniecz: It claims that built-in audio goes to speakers)
 I have no speakers, I want to use built-in laptop speakers (re @paguiar735: Can you make sure the speakers are working properly by attaching it to another laptop?)
 Can you make sure the built-in laptop speakers are working properly? (re @matkoniecz: I have no external speakers, I want to use built-in laptop speakers)
 Turn off the USB Audio headphones and try again (re @matkoniecz: )
 Yes, I will also check what pavucontrol-qt is showing without docking station (re @paguiar735: Can you make sure the built-in laptop speakers are working properly?)
 Done, without any noticeable effect (re @paguiar735: Turn off the USB Audio headphones and try again)
 So plugging the docking station makes no audio to come out of the built-in speakers, whereas once you unplug it the audio starts to come out of the built-in speakers again? (re @matkoniecz: Yes, I will also check what pavucontrol-qt is showing without docking station)
 yes (re @paguiar735: So plugging the docking station makes no audio to come out of the built-in speakers, whereas once you unplug it the audio starts to come out of the built-in speakers again?)
 Is the docking station recognized in Output Devices as USB Audio Headphones? (re @matkoniecz: yes)
 Welcome to pulseaudio/ALSA hell. It is completely unintuitive (things like: plug your headphones and select "speaker" to actually hear something through your headphones!) and very poorly documented. You may get something but mostly out of trial and error. (re @matkoniecz: How can I manually set default audio device? I connected docking station and Lubuntu is somehow convinced that it can play audio.
 I want to continue using laptop speakers)
 is it headphones or headset (ie with mic) that you have? there may be some command line possible workarounds
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/815ef680/file_3370.jpg
 that is just laptop
 with docking station : https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/0bf8c56d/file_3369.jpg
 oooo!
 On playback tab I can select output device
 Hopefully it is sticky and there is no need to do it manually
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/82dff09e/file_3371.jpg
 thanks for reminding me about this! (re @aptghetto: Try pavucontrol-qt)
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 How can I get rid of screesaver on Lubuntu using command line? AFAIK it is no longer needed and there is no risk of screen burn-in nowadays.
 And at least default one is janky/laggy somehow, so I prefer to get rid of it rather than to try debugging it.
 Also, screensavers are ugly/distracting anyway.
 And why I want to get rid using it using commandline: I will add it to reinstall script, and automatic toool is superior to manual clicking.
 It can be still relevant on AMOLED screens (re @matkoniecz: How can I get rid of screesaver on Lubuntu using command line? AFAIK it is no longer needed and there is no risk of screen burn-in nowadays.
 And at least default one is janky/laggy somehow, so I prefer to get rid of it rather than to try debugging it.
 Also, screensavers are ugly/distracting anyway.
 And why I want to get rid using it using commandline: I will add it to reinstall script, and automatic toool is superior to manual clicking.)
 hmm, from looking at specs of my Dell U2415 - it seems to not be AMOLED. Or is it something that producer would try to hide? (re @emergencyrussia: It can be still relevant on AMOLED screens)
 I thing you don't need to worry then
 It's IPS
 Did it work? (re @matkoniecz: Hopefully it is sticky and there is no need to do it manually)
 Try:
 gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.screensaver lock-delay 3600 && gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.screensaver lock-enabled false && gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.screensaver idle-activation-enabled false (re @matkoniecz: How can I get rid of screesaver on Lubuntu using command line? AFAIK it is no longer needed and there is no risk of screen burn-in nowadays.
 And at least default one is janky/laggy somehow, so I prefer to get rid of it rather than to try debugging it.
 Also, screensavers are ugly/distracting anyway.
 And why I want to get rid using it using commandline: I will add it to reinstall script, and automatic toool is superior to manual clicking.)
 And if it does not "solve" the issue? Should he randomly remove the next package?
 Please don't suggest ro remove packages, if you are not sure.
 And the option -y is not good. What if also meta-packages are removed? Or the whole desktop? (re @paguiar735: Try:
 sudo apt -y remove light-locker)
 Removing xscreensaver would also remove lubuntu-desktop*.
 But you can disable the screensaver in the autostart section of lxqt-config-session or disable it in the screensaver settings. (re @matkoniecz: How can I get rid of screesaver on Lubuntu using command line? AFAIK it is no longer needed and there is no risk of screen burn-in nowadays.
 And at least default one is janky/laggy somehow, so I prefer to get rid of it rather than to try debugging it.
 Also, screensavers are ugly/distracting anyway.
 And why I want to get rid using it using commandline: I will add it to reinstall script, and automatic toool is superior to manual clicking.)
 If I were him I would just use the appropriate GUI, but he wants a terminal-based solution. And I assumed he wanted it gone for good when he said "to get rid of it".
 As far as I can tell there isn't much you can't do in the terminal unless you purge it. However, I'm open to better solutions if anyone has any. No hard feelings :) (re @aptghetto: Removing xscreensaver would also remove lubuntu-desktop*.
 But you can disable the screensaver in the autostart section of lxqt-config-session or disable it in the screensaver settings.)
 Hello all, quick question. What, other than Time shift, is used by most folks for a good backup prior to a reinstall?
 +1 on not using -y to remove
 I copy full disk to an external drive that I detach from computer, for an additional safety.
 At least once I deleted wrong partitions, including partition with primary backups (and restored from this external drive, had no need to get back to regular backups on external drives). (re @randomphoenix: Hello all, quick question. What, other than Time shift, is used by most folks for a good backup prior to a reinstall?)
 The choice of backup utilities is nearly endless. It is difficult to recommend one that folks will be comfortable with. (re @randomphoenix: Hello all, quick question. What, other than Time shift, is used by most folks for a good backup prior to a reinstall?)
 there's a billion, there's no one answer. (re @randomphoenix: Hello all, quick question. What, other than Time shift, is used by most folks for a good backup prior to a reinstall?)
 I always do a full disk clone to an image on external media with clonezilla when I do a backup, typically.
 yes partioting with your backup on an external hard drive seems like unesscary risk