[18:16] <TJ-> basalt: correct.
[18:16] <oerheks> pankaj_, no, you need an account with a nntp server, aka usenet
[18:16] <cosmicfires> rsnapshot backs up files, it doesn't restore them
[18:16] <codepython777> cosmicfires: In my case I have to work on the bare metal unfortunately
[18:16] <oerheks> pankaj_, not sure why you want a nntp service, good ones are paid
[18:16] <cosmicfires> you have to restore them
[18:16] <codepython777> that does not help in my case
[18:16] <pankaj_> oerheks: So, it means that I have to first sign in to usenet?
[18:17] <codepython777> cosmicfires: I am essentially looking to undo a bunch of apt-gets/make installs that might go wrong
[18:18] <cosmicfires> sounds like rsnapshot might not be the best tool for that
[18:18] <basalt> TJ- is this line ok in the file GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=" acpi_osi=! \"acpi_osi=Windows 2015\""
[18:18] <cosmicfires> I don't know much about LVM backups I'd look at that
[18:18] <codepython777> cosmicfires: I also need it while it is running
[18:19] <pankaj_> oerheks: I wanted to just get closer to open source community. Other then this (hexchat) are their any other services like daily emails from community or feedbacks that I can use?
[18:19] <cosmicfires> rsnapshot copies files while the system is running, restoring them is up to you
[18:19] <oerheks> pankaj_, i haven't used usenet for decades, all i know is these wiki's
[18:20] <tesss> Hello on the shutdown can instead of ubuntu log can i see logs ? like fedora if u use before
[18:20] <TJ-> basalt: looks correct to me
[18:20] <tesss> instead of ubuntu logo* can i see shutdown logs like fedora
[18:20] <tesss> how can i do this
[18:21] <tgm4883> tesss: always, or for troubleshooting?
[18:21] <tesss> always
[18:21] <pankaj_> oerheks: The installation of slrn is complicated. I think that purging the package will be better.
[18:22] <tgm4883> tesss: hmm, you could disable it, but it would disable it on boot as well I believe
[18:22] <tesss> because shutdown is not working on my laptop when i see the shutdown processes finished i will press power button to shutdown my laptop but with ubuntu
[18:22] <tesss> i cannot see if its finished
[18:22] <tesss> so it is important for me
[18:23] <tgm4883> tesss: well you can hit escape on that screen and it will show you the text
[18:23] <tesss> really ?
[18:23] <tesss> okay i will try now then :)
[18:24] <energizer> I'm reinstalling ubuntu. Looking at the partition screen. I would like to have one partition for HOME. What should I have on the screen? It currently has /dev/mapper/ubuntu-vg-root, /dev/mapper-ubuntu-vg-swap_1, /dev/sda, /dev/sdb
[18:24] <tgm4883> tesss: yes, if you want to disable it completely (including on boot) you'd need to https://askubuntu.com/questions/766973/16-04-how-to-uninstall-plymouth/766991#766991
[18:25] <tess> esc didnt work
[18:26] <ioria> tess, logout, switch to console, sudo service lightdm stop, sudo halt
[18:27] <tess> ioria, i cant do this always
[18:27] <ioria> why ?
[18:27] <ioria> oh, sy
[18:28] <tess>  ioria, will i do this for all shutdown
[18:28] <tess> its long
[18:28] <ioria> tess,  i thought you were  debugging something
[18:28] <TJ-> ioria: tess The 'failed to shutdown' issue may well be solved by my acpi_osi fix. Want to try it?
[18:28] <Term1nal> ubuntu tweak says "Shell user-theme extension not enabled"
[18:28] <Term1nal> how do I enable it so that I might skin the rest of my shell with Numix?
[18:29] <pacmanfan> i'm trying to use ssh-copy-id, and it is looking in ~/.pub, which does not exist
[18:29] <ioria> TJ-, gone
[18:29] <tess> ioria, i tried it actually adding kernel paramater right ?
[18:29] <TJ-> ioria: no, tesss left, not tess
[18:29] <pacmanfan> it looks like my public key is in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
[18:29] <ioria> ok
[18:29] <TJ-> tess: what does "cat /proc/cmdline" show?
[18:29] <pacmanfan> so what's up with ssh-copy-id?
[18:29] <ioria> tess, remove quiet splash, you mean ?
[18:30] <tess> TJ-:  BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.13.0-16-generic.efi.signed root=UUID=c393ad0a-2eda-441d-9e7e-a1fcb5bfe892 ro quiet splash vt.handoff=7
[18:30] <tess> no i tried many thing
[18:30] <tess> acpi=force
[18:30] <tess> acpi=off
[18:30] <TJ-> pacmanfan: YOUR ssh keys are ~/.ssh/id_rsa  (private) and ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub (public - the one that gets sent over)
[18:30] <ioria> tess, TJ-  suggesting his acpi_osi fix
[18:30] <TJ-> tess: "acpi=off" will DEFINITELY break things; ACPI is vital these days
[18:30] <TJ-> tess try this: http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[18:31] <tess> shutdown works on windows but not work on linux
[18:31] <ioria> TJ-, going to be in me bookmarks, tx
[18:31] <TJ-> ioria: I think that solved 10 issues yesterday alone!
[18:31] <ioria> good
[18:32] <basalt> TJ- the fix did not made any change in the behaviour
[18:33] <TJ-> We need to string up the motherboard firwmware dev's until they make the ACPI DSDT enable everything when the running OS reports as Linux. Currently, on almost all I've looked at, when the running OS is Linux DSDT enables bare minimum
[18:33] <pacmanfan> TJ-, i think mine may be a server-specific question...
[18:33] <TJ-> basalt: OK, well it's still worth having to ensure full ACPI support. Can you "pastebinit /var/log/kern.log"
[18:34] <pacmanfan> i normally use ssh-copy-id to copy a public key from existing servers onto my new ones
[18:34] <TJ-> pacmanfan: "man ssh-copy-id" - you can use the "-i" option to point to the location of your public key
[18:34] <energizer> "Choose a device to install the bootloader on:" /dev/sda, /dev/sda1
[18:34] <pacmanfan> it's always worked fine before, including on ubuntu server 16.04.... but all of a sudden it's complaining that ~/.pub doesn't exist :/
[18:34] <codepython777> is anyone using brtfs on ubuntu? Can I just use that for / at install?
[18:35] <energizer> which one should i pick?
[18:35] <tess> TJ-: i did those thing and updated grub conf now will reboot but i hope my laptop will boot because when i put acpi=off or force my laptop didnt boot
[18:35] <pacmanfan> so i'm thinking either something changed with how ssh-copy-id works, or else an update removed my ~/.pub files
[18:35] <energizer> nevermind its frozen
[18:36] <strive> pacmanfan: Have  you tried ~/.ssh
[18:36] <basalt> TJ- http://paste.ubuntu.com/25780462/
[18:36] <TJ-> pacmanfan: that suggests the identity file is not being provided.... that ".pub" suggests to me it the key-id isn't there so when it adds the ".pub" suffix you get that weird output
[18:36] <pacmanfan> strive, yeah, my public key is in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
[18:36] <tess> i'm going to reboot i dont have VNC dont say anything to me until i came :D
[18:36] <TJ-> pacmanfan: no, that isn't where you key is
[18:37] <pacmanfan> this is from the perspective of a server
[18:37] <TJ-> pacmanfan: ssh-copy-id by default looks for ~/.ssh/id_rsa, and then adds ".pub" to that to get the name of the public key to send
[18:37] <pacmanfan> oh, interesting
[18:38] <TJ-> pacmanfan: so if the *client* has no "~/.ssh/id_rsa" then you'll get it looking for "~/.ssh/.pub" which obviously doesn't exist
[18:38] <pacmanfan> my specific error is:  /usr/bin/ssh-copy-id: ERROR: failed to open ID file '/home/serveruser/.pub': No such file
[18:39] <TJ-> basalt: reading your kern.log now
[18:39] <TJ-> pacmanfan: what is the exact command you're typing to get the error?
[18:40] <pacmanfan> ssh-copy-id user@anotherserver
[18:41] <tess> TJ-: , no shutting down still not working here is my grub conf https://paste.ubuntu.com/25780484/
[18:41] <TJ-> pacmanfan: OK, read "man ssh-copy-id" in particular the two paragraphs starting with "Default behaviour without -i, is to check if ‘ssh-add -L’ provides any output, and if so those keys are used..."
[18:41] <pacmanfan> erm, my mistake. PEBKAC
[18:42] <pacmanfan> i was running ssh-add first, but i guess i had done it as sudo
[18:42] <TJ-> pacmanfan: doh! :)
[18:42] <pacmanfan> and then i was running ssh-copy-id as my regular user
[18:42] <pacmanfan> ewps!
[18:42]  * pacmanfan blushes
[18:42] <tess> may i should try Windows 2009 Windows 2012 Windows 2013
[18:42] <pacmanfan> i thought i had corrected that and run it again, but evidently not
[18:42] <Menzador> brb
[18:43] <kaili> Hello everyone :)
[18:43] <TJ-> tess: try booting to the Advanced > Recovery option, drop to a root shell, then type "systemctl shutdown" and see if that manages it. If it does, then we know the issue is to do with some service
[18:43] <TJ-> tess: no, no need to change acpi_osi at all, it's got the best setting
[18:43] <kaili> I've got a funny one : how would you install hplip 3.16.11 on ubuntu 11.04 (yeah I'm serious) ? :)
[18:44] <kaili> Trying to run hplip 3.16.11 but things don't look good, missing dependencies, ignored but I guess it's not going to work
[18:44] <kaili> The installer says it support up to 12.04, so ...
[18:46] <oerheks> kaili, no support.
[18:46] <kaili> Yeah I know, but I need to get around still...
[18:46] <oerheks> yes, it is funny.
[18:47] <kaili> Well when you have an old scientist that would rather throw his newly bought printer rather than changing ubuntu version, it's kinda funny
[18:47] <kaili> Still need to find a way to do that for him
[18:47] <TJ-> basalt: I can't see any clues there. Can you describe the symptoms again for me?
[18:49] <TJ-> basalt: and, can you show us "pastebinit <( lspci -nnk )" so we know the system PCI map
[18:52] <basalt> TJ- when i start the system, it boots fast, login, and wifi connected, no freeze, everything is fine. if i use the "shutdown" button, the system starts to shutdown and than a lot of 120 second timeout occures
[18:52] <TJ-> basalt: I'm seeing several reports that kernel v4.13.0 has the issue. You've got the latest Ubuntu kernel. Can I suggest you test it with an Ubuntu mainline kernel build for v4.13.8 ?
[18:52] <kaili> actually it might work out, what is missing doesn't seem bid deal, will try to fetch the debs from 12.04 and force install ... ;)
[18:52] <slee> hi, can someone tell me what's going on here? i installed discord from the repo a couple of months ago..i haven't used it in a couple of weeks, trying to run discord now fails...nothing opens...so i decide to remove it and i get this popup window asking for a Ubuntu One account password...i don't and never had one..why am i getting this now?
[18:53] <kaili> Most serious one is libtool-bin
[18:53] <oerheks> kaili, 12.04 is also dead, eol :-(
[18:53] <TJ-> !mainline | basalt
[18:53] <kaili> oerheks: yeah but the hplip 3.16.11 supports 12.04
[18:53] <slee> a screenshot of this 'ubuntu one': http://storage6.static.itmages.com/i/17/1020/h_1508525597_9573073_1db596f95f.jpeg
[18:53] <kaili> So with a bunch of tweaks, I need to get it work with 11.04
[18:54] <oerheks> kaili, 14.04 lts is the next supported ubuntu.. but  it was a newly bought printer, so please, make up your mind
[18:54] <basalt> TJ- the same behaviour is, when i close the laptop, the system is still working and working, and if i open it again the network is not connected and the system is forzen
[18:54] <kaili> oerheks: I'm not the old scientist and there is no way you will convince him ;)
[18:55] <TJ-> basalt: defintely test with the mainline kernel I've recommended as a first step. It's much easier to do A/B testing than it is to diagnose suspend/resume issues in-place
[19:01] <slyrus> OK, I eventually got gnome to launch, but how do I keep the dock on all the time?
[19:06] <RedPlosead1> irc.primorye.ru
[19:09] <basalt> TJ- do i also have to apply the patches http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.13.8/ before the deb install or after?
[19:12] <energizer> does unattended-upgrades automatically run autoremove?
[19:15] <oerheks> energizer, no update feature does that
[19:16] <energizer> oerheks: is there any reason i shouldnt put it in cron?
[19:16] <yokowka> hello
[19:17] <yokowka> hello everysoul
[19:18] <energizer> actually, how do i automatically remove old kernels regularly?
[19:19] <yokowka> русы есть?
[19:19] <Southern_Gentlem> energizer,  your machine will do that for you you
[19:19] <Southern_Gentlem> usually most distros keep 3 kernels by default
[19:21] <nicomachus> 2
[19:21] <nicomachus> !ru | yokowka
[19:21] <nacc> energizer: you can adjust the u-u settings
[19:25] <ioria> energizer, and maybe check    /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades
[19:25] <kaili> I fucking can't believe I just got it working
[19:25] <nicomachus> !language | kaili
[19:26] <kaili> nicomachus: sorry, scream of joy :x
[19:27] <nacc> Southern_Gentlem: i believe ubuntu keeps 2, and only if you keep the metapackage insntalled
[19:29] <nathanwildfire> hi
[19:29] <nathanwildfire> im new to ubuntu
[19:29] <Seveas> nathanwildfire: welcome to the dark side!
[19:30] <nathanwildfire> wow!!!
[19:31] <nathanwildfire> this looks like the shit from mr.robot
[19:31] <nicomachus> !language | nathanwildfire
[19:31] <lordcirth_work> nathanwildfire, lol.  Welcome.  Did you have a support question?
[19:31] <nicomachus> nathanwildfire: this channel is for Ubuntu support. Glad you've joined the ranks, but this channel is for support chat only. You can join #ubuntu-offtopic to just chat
[19:32] <nathanwildfire> sorry , ill keep that in mind
[19:32] <nicomachus> and yes, it's exactly the stuff from Mr. Robot. They used Freenode.
[19:33] <nathanwildfire> i have a question
[19:33] <nathanwildfire> im running ubuntu mate on my raspberry pi 3
[19:33] <nathanwildfire> and i cant get the sound to work
[19:33] <nicomachus> nathanwildfire: good choice on the setup!
[19:34] <nicomachus> nathanwildfire: do you have access to the machine right now, with a keyboard?
[19:34] <nathanwildfire> yes
[19:34] <nathanwildfire> im currently on it
[19:34] <nicomachus> can you open a terminal and type `aplay -l` then copy/paste the output to paste.ubuntu.com and link here?
[19:35] <nathanwildfire> ok
[19:37] <POGtastic> hi guys. I have a dual-monitor setup on 17.04. everything works great when logged in, but the login screen has the monitors reversed. googling it pulls up some solutions that seem to be outdated, as the lightdm files don't seem to be where the solution's description says that they are.
[19:37] <nathanwildfire> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25780749/
[19:37] <POGtastic> looking specifically at this answer: https://askubuntu.com/a/848282
[19:37] <nopea> as I am sure there are a few web developers here... how do you guys develop sites when everything is owned by www-data?  I connect via FTP but my own user
[19:38] <nicomachus> nathanwildfire: ok cool, looks like you have the aux jack and HDMI audio devices.
[19:39] <nathanwildfire> ok
[19:39] <nathanwildfire> so how do i get it to work
[19:40] <nicomachus> nathanwildfire: which device are you trying to get audio out of?
[19:40] <nathanwildfire> my monitor
[19:40] <nathanwildfire> which is the tv
[19:40] <nicomachus> so HDMI?
[19:41] <nathanwildfire> yep
[19:41] <nicomachus> ok. in a terminal, `sudo amixer cset numid=3 2`
[19:41] <nathanwildfire> ok
[19:41] <nathanwildfire> i typed in my password
[19:42] <nicomachus> and then it should have just gone to a fresh line. Does sound work now?
[19:43] <nathanwildfire> numid=3,iface=MIXER,name='PCM Playback Route'
[19:43] <nathanwildfire>   ; type=INTEGER,access=rw------,values=1,min=0,max=2,step=0
[19:43] <nathanwildfire>   : values=2
[19:44] <nathanwildfire> nope till not working
[19:44] <nathanwildfire> still*
[19:45] <nathanwildfire> you think there might be something wrong with the hdmi cable
[19:46] <nicomachus> nathanwildfire: possible but lets check a couple other things first.
[19:46] <nicomachus> does `pactl list` show anything?
[19:46] <nicomachus> should be similar output to aplay -l
[19:48] <nicomachus> nathanwildfire: type `pactl list` into a terminal. show me the output in a pastebin again.
[19:50] <Menzador> Hey! Got a problem. Just dropped 17.10 in. Installed vanilla-gnome-desktop. Now the only session I have is the "Ubuntu" session replaced by the default GNOME Shell and themes. I had to manually fix the Plymouth theme, but (a) how do I fix GDM so it uses the default Ubuntu theme, and (b) where is the Ambiance GNOME Shell theme located? Did I override those settings? Would installing one of the default settings metapackages help? (Sor
[19:50] <nathanwildfire> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25780818/
[19:50] <nicomachus> Menzador: you installed an additonal gnome desktop on top of the default?
[19:51] <nacc> Menzador: why did you install the "vaniall-gnome-desktop" package?
[19:51] <Jesse__> frag
[19:51] <nacc> Menzador: that's not something you need to do anymore, unless you want to be running more like what was Ubuntu Gnome before
[19:51] <Menzador> nacc: I probably should have just installed gnome-session, no? It's not the biggest deal in the world :P
[19:51] <nacc> Menzador: you shouldn't have isntalled anything
[19:51] <nacc> Menzador: just install ubuntu and you're on gnome
[19:52] <Menzador> Well, occasionally I like to switch layouts
[19:52] <nicomachus> nathanwildfire: lol at the hostname on your system... at least we have audio devices.
[19:52] <Menzador> (which theoretically I could do by just opening GNOME Tweaks) :P
[19:52] <nacc> Menzador: not sure what you mean by layouts, you mean desktop environments?
[19:52] <nicomachus> nathanwildfire: do you have a program called Pulse Audio Volume Control? if not, install from terminal with `sudo apt install pavucontrol`
[19:53] <nathanwildfire> no i dont
[19:53] <Menzador> No, I mean the layout of the shell itself (the Ubuntu dock vs. not the Ubuntu dock)
[19:53] <akik> nacc: it's used to install the vanilla gnome version instead of the ubuntu setup
[19:53] <nicomachus> ok, install that and it'll be a lot easier to make sure the proper audio device and volumes are set
[19:53] <Menzador> The documentation gave me the impression that installing one of these metas would give me 2 sessions
[19:53] <nacc> akik: i see
[19:54] <Menzador> Yes, what akik said
[19:54] <nacc> akik: it's not quite clear that's actually true :)
[19:54] <nacc> akik: give the package description
[19:54] <nacc> *given
[19:54] <Menzador> !info vanilla-gnome-desktop
[19:54] <Menzador> gahhhh, that's one for the ops
[19:54] <Menzador> !info vanilla-gnome-desktop artful
[19:55] <nacc> it's basically present to migrate ubuntu gnome users to ubuntu
[19:55] <nacc> (aiui)
[19:55] <Menzador> vanilla-gnome-desktop apparently still has all the old Ubuntu GNOME stuff in it :P
[19:55] <nathanwildfire> done
[19:55] <nicomachus> nathanwildfire: open that program up now, it should show which programs are playing audio and which audio device they're set to.
[19:55] <akik> actually it's gnome-session which gives you the gnome default stup
[19:55] <dax> !info hello
[19:55] <nicomachus> make sure whatever is playing audio is on HDMI
[19:55] <dax> oh i'm still opped
[19:56] <nicomachus> dax: you're just trying to intimidate, you can't fool us
[19:56] <dax> Menzador: the relevant human has been poked
[19:56] <nathanwildfire> ok
[19:56] <Menzador> akik: I know that know, but the release notes imply that vanilla-gnome-desktop doesn't change any settings
[19:56] <Menzador> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/ReleaseNotes#Ubuntu_Desktop
[19:56] <michelbelleville> Hi everybody ; I'm a bit new to IRC, and even newer when it comes to screens setting, and I'm encountering troubles to configure an HDMI screen on Ubuntu. Is there anyone that'd be interested to help?
[19:57] <akik> https://wiki.gnome.org/UbuntuMigrationToGNOME
[19:57] <Menzador> akik: "If you'd like to also install more core apps, ..." There's no indication that it will modify default settings
[19:57] <nicomachus> michelbelleville: better to just state the problem and then someone will help if they can.
[19:57] <michelbelleville> nicomachus: Sure (sorry for my IRC noobishness)
[19:57] <Menzador> I'll remember that for next time :)
[19:58] <Menzador> Thanks for showing the difference, but the release notes probably ought to reflect this
[19:58] <nicomachus> michelbelleville: no problem at all. welcome.
[19:58] <nathanwildfire> nicomachus: im getting the hang of this
[19:58] <nicomachus> \o/
[20:00] <michelbelleville> So, I have this laptop with an HDMI connector, and a screen that connects through HDMI. So far, so plugged. Trouble is, I'm under gnome3 and set my main laptop screen on a 2x scale (small pixels and all that) ; since the (bigger) secondary screen has 1/2 less pixel density, I wanted to set the scale factor only for the laptop screen...
[20:01] <nicomachus> michelbelleville: should be able to individually set screen resolutions with xrandr. it's going to be a command line job.
[20:01] <khangeek> can't install snap package from ubuntu software center. Connection reset by peer error
[20:01] <khangeek> Ubuntu version is 17.10
[20:02] <michelbelleville> Yes, khangeek ^^ I'm apt on the command line, at least ...only thing I find is tutorials explained to set various gnome3 variables, I tried a couple, and ended up with the secondary screen being not recognized anymore. I tried an xrandr and found that yes, the main laptop screen is properly configured (as it should) and no, the secondary screen is disconnected.
[20:02] <michelbelleville> (sorry, I meant yes nicomachus :)
[20:03] <nicomachus> michelbelleville: give this a quick read/scan and see if that helps, then ask any questions you might have: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution#How_to_setup_a_dual_monitor
[20:03] <khangeek> Any fix to my problem?
[20:03] <michelbelleville> nicomachus: Thanks, trying that right away.
[20:03] <ModFather> hi all
[20:03] <ModFather> i cant ping domains like name.academy on my box
[20:03] <ModFather> any clue?
[20:04] <maszlo> TJ-: you happen to be around?
[20:05] <Bashing-om> ModFather: What release ? and what shows ' ls -al /etc/resolv.conf ' ?
[20:06] <Menzador> nacc , akik: Thanks for the help anyway. I had just created a VM, so I'm taking the easier route and trashing the VM that was a few minutes old. I'll remember to install gnome-session instead.
[20:06] <ModFather> 16.04 LTS
[20:06] <ModFather> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 29 Jul 21 14:35 /etc/resolv.conf -> ../run/resolvconf/resolv.conf
[20:07] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: hello
[20:07] <michelbelleville> nicomachus: Erm, I'm bumping into an early problem: they say to click on the "detect monitors" button and use "gnome-display-properties" ; I see no "detect monitors" button on my screen settings screen, and there is no "gnome-display-properties" command (not it there any to install through apt). I'm using ubuntu 17.04
[20:07] <kostkon> khangeek, https://bugs.launchpad.net/software-center-agent/+bug/1617765
[20:08] <akik> are there people editing the wiki pages? that x config page is last edited in 2013
[20:08] <Bashing-om> ModFather: far so good . Who controls networking ' cat /etc/network/interfaces | nc termbin.com 9999 ' pass the resulting URL back here .
[20:08] <khangeek> The reason why it does not work is it does not ask me for a password or username
[20:08] <kostkon> khangeek, have a look at the comments, try out the workarounds mentioned in them
[20:08] <khangeek> since those snap packages have to work that way
[20:08] <ModFather> Bashing-om after a "restart" worked
[20:08] <ModFather> nowi can ping
[20:09] <kostkon> khangeek, it isn't supposed to ask you
[20:09] <ModFather> wierd isnt it?
[20:09] <Bashing-om> ModFather: :)  Great .
[20:09] <khangeek> not for an account on canonical? or ubuntu one something?
[20:09] <kostkon> khangeek, you can try installing it in the terminal with:   sudo snap install package_name
[20:10] <khangeek> ok
[20:11] <ModFather> Thanks Bashing-om !!! have a great night bro
[20:12] <kostkon> khangeek, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1581713
[20:14] <michelbelleville> nicomachus: Ok, so, I've read a bit further into the article, and tried ```xrandr --output DP-1-1 --mode 1920x1080 --rate 60``` ; it fails saying: ```xrandr: cannot find mode 1920x1080```.
[20:15] <michelbelleville> nicomachus: When I read the result of a ```xrandr``` there are many mode lines for my laptop display, and only ```DP-1-1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)``` for my other display.
[20:16] <N1ght0wl> based on this http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/zesty/man4/random.4freebsd.html it appears yarrow/fortuna has been ported to Ubuntu (for use as a PRNG /dev/urandom,/dev/random) can anyone provide more info on this?
[20:16] <michelbelleville> nicomachus: (which is started, but says that there is no signal on the HDMI plug when Ubuntu is running ; when I'm running windows, it works and detects the signal)
[20:27] <texla> I am trying to mount to the desktop ../dev/sda1 which is Ubuntu 16.04 I get the following result..https://pastebin.com/Rx6A9kQd..Any suggestions
[20:29] <michelbelleville> Can anyone provide any help getting a screen to be detected by an Ubuntu 17.04?
[20:29] <mattfly> Hey hello hello hello hi xD
[20:29] <mattfly> which is the best office package for linux?
[20:29] <mattfly> besides libreoffice
[20:29] <mattfly> doesnt need to be the full thing
[20:29] <Menzador> !best
[20:29] <mattfly> i just need to work with spreadsheets and write
[20:30] <nicomachus> michelbelleville: well, it may be a good time to update to 17.10 while you're at it.
[20:30] <mattfly> I dreamed with a spreadsheet gui with a python terminal on it where you could load arrays to columns or get from it by selecting on the gui and create an array
[20:30] <mattfly> something like this
[20:30] <nicomachus> probably won't fix the problem, but needs to be done anyway
[20:30] <mattfly> i saw pyspreasheet
[20:30] <mattfly> but sucks and is nothing like that
[20:30] <mattfly> pratical
[20:30] <michelbelleville> nicomachus: Well, I'm gonna do that and pray. Thanks ^^
[20:31] <nicomachus> mattfly: libreCalc allows macros in python
[20:31] <mattfly> does anything else exist like this ??? or will i have to do it myself?
[20:31] <mattfly> anyone interested on starting a project usin c++ qt + python for a fully functional spreasheet software
[20:31] <mattfly> maybe with R too
[20:31] <mattfly> Librecal kinda sucks too
[20:31] <KNUBBIG> Hello, I'm currently deciding between using MailScanner and amavisd-new: Comparisons I find online are at least eight years old, on first glimpse MailScanner code seems to be better maintained and I absolutely loathe the PERL configuration of amavisd-new. Any opinions on which does its job (spam/virus scanning) better?
[20:32] <nicomachus> mattfly: wrong channel for that.
[20:32] <Menzador> There are quite a few apps though
[20:32] <texla> The pastebin should be https://pastebin.com/VSBHxnvf
[20:32] <mattfly> yes?
[20:32] <mattfly> if it is already done i want it for sure
[20:32] <nicomachus> !ot | mattfly
[20:32] <mattfly> ubuntu support for searching software?
[20:32] <mattfly> thats what i am doing
[20:33] <nicomachus> mattfly: you're talkinga bout python spreadsheets, not Ubuntu support.
[20:33] <mattfly> a software for ubuntu im looking for
[20:33] <mattfly> anyone what are more advanced solutions for that on ubuntu ?
[20:34] <leftyfb> mattfly: libreoffice is the "best" office package for linux .... for those that libreoffice meets the standards for
[20:34] <leftyfb> mattfly: you're asking for opinions
[20:34] <mattfly> yes i am
[20:34] <mattfly> i use libroffice
[20:34] <Menzador> We used to have a factoid on this
[20:34] <mattfly> havent find anything better
[20:34] <nicomachus> mattfly: and this is the wrong channel for that.
[20:34] <leftyfb> mattfly: I just searched using apt.... try Calligra or gnumeric
[20:35] <mattfly> calligra is not exactly what i wanted and gnumeric?
[20:35] <mattfly> isnt that a calculator
[20:35] <mattfly> oh cool
[20:35] <leftyfb> mattfly: other than that, you'll have to find other linux spreadsheet software which might not necessarily be available in the official repos and therefore not supported
[20:35] <nicomachus> mattfly: you won't get another warning. this is the wrong channel for software recommendations.
[20:35] <nicomachus> please use #ubuntu-offtopic or something else entirely
[20:36] <mattfly> are you going to kick me?
[20:36] <shredding> hello
[20:36] <mattfly> there are 10 times less people on #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:36] <shredding> i have a full disk of 59 GB, but when i run "du -sch .[!.]* * |sort -h " it shows a total of 15GB
[20:37] <shredding> if i free space it get immediately eaten up
[20:37] <shredding> how can i find the source?
[20:37] <alkisg> shredding: sudo baobab or sudo mate-disk-usage-analyzer
[20:37] <shredding> ... it's not the logs
[20:37] <alkisg> it shows it graphically ,with subdirs and all
[20:38] <noni> it should be possible to "load python arrays to columns" in libreoffice, through its Python scripting interface. You need to know the function name and syntax though. Google for "libreoffice uno api" or ask in channel #libreoffice
[20:38] <shredding> dok, i need to install that
[20:38] <alkisg> shredding: which desktop environment?
[20:38] <kostkon> mattfly, this (maybe)? https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pyoo
[20:38] <alkisg> E.g. gnome?
[20:38] <shredding> alkisg: it's not a desktop env
[20:38] <shredding> it's a server
[20:38] <alkisg> OK, then stick with du
[20:38] <noni> alksig, use pkexec for GUI not sudo
[20:39] <alkisg> So, deleted files that are still in use take up space
[20:39] <shredding> alkisg: how can i find those?
[20:39] <mattfly> not exactly what i want pu quite cool kostkon
[20:39] <alkisg> noni, GUI apps need special entry for pkexec, otherwise they don't launch
[20:39] <alkisg> shredding: start with du -sh /*, how much space is missing from there?
[20:40] <texla> I am trying to mount to the desktop ../dev/sda1 which is Ubuntu 16.04 I get the following result..https://pastebin.com/Rx6A9kQd..Any suggestions
[20:40] <texla> The pastebin should be https://pastebin.com/VSBHxnvf
[20:40] <shredding> alkisg: roughly 40GB
[20:40] <shredding> I have a disk of 59 and.
[20:40] <shredding> 57 of them are in use
[20:41] <shredding> alkisg: would restarting the server free up the space?
[20:41] <alkisg> shredding: I've seen an askubuntu question about locating all deleted files that are still in use with lsof or something, and counting up that space etc
[20:41] <alkisg> shredding: sure
[20:41] <shredding> lemme try that
[20:42] <shredding> alkisg: that solved it
[20:43] <nicomachus> that was a quick reboot
[20:43] <shredding> i was surprised as well
[20:43] <Bashing-om> texla: ?? it says that sda1 is already mounted . What is the issue ?
[20:43] <shredding> alkisg: thank u
[20:44] <texla> bash
[20:44] <texla> Bashing-om, It is not showing on the desktop like the other /dev/sda3
[20:45] <kusfedora> I am on xenial inside virtualbox and do-release-upgrade -d fails any ideas? https://hastebin.com/idipumigix.sh
[20:46] <Menzador> kusfedora: Head for Software and Updates and make sure "For any new version" is selected. Ald
[20:46] <Menzador> *Also, there's no development release
[20:46] <Bashing-om> texla: That depends on how it is mounted . see how from ' cat /proc/mounts ' .
[20:47] <texla> Bashing-om, /dev/sda
[20:47] <alkisg> shredding: np
[20:49] <S1GM4> I wish any of you were near me lol
[20:49] <S1GM4> I would give you more better than DXM
[20:50] <texla> Bashing-om, https://pastebin.com/87rx9viQ
[20:50] <tcc> hi, quick question - has anyone install CUDA/Nvidia drivers and has had an issue where the usb keyboard/mouse does not work on reboot/login screen?
[20:51] <tcc> am stuck at the point because i can't edit files but I suspect changing grub splash screen settings to nomodeset might help, but i can't get in to edit files
[20:51] <TJ-> tcc: where it affects GRUB, I'd think that is because the firmware's "USB Legacy support" is disabled
[20:52] <texla> Bashing-om, /sda3 mounted /media/user/uuid
[20:52] <TJ-> tcc: however, by the time the Linux GUI greeter log-in is up USB should be running perfectly
[20:52] <tcc> hm
[20:53] <TJ-> tcc: unless the firmware can fully disable USB functions of course
[20:54] <tcc> i guess maybe i can wipe it and reinstall and try a few things
[20:54] <tcc> the nomodeset worked w/ the nvidia driver/LUKS incompatibility (it borked keyboard w/ LUKS password)
[20:54] <TJ-> tcc: enter the motherboard firmware setup first, check that it hasn't somehow disabled USB (legacy) functionality
[20:55] <tcc> ok that may also be one thing
[20:55] <tcc> maybe that's easier
[20:55] <TJ-> tcc: nomdeset has no affect for USB that I can imagine!
[20:55] <qswz> hmm, any pointer about how to set ArcGIS on ubuntu?
[20:55] <Bashing-om> texla: Again, what is the issue ? Be aware that sda1 is mounted from the /etc/fstab file .
[20:55] <qswz> please
[20:55] <tcc> the other question is - at the moment, what's the "best practice" way to put gnome on 16.04, what w/ the switch to gnome in 17.10?
[20:56] <nacc> tcc: install ubuntu gnome 16.04?
[20:56] <nicomachus> tcc: or just install the gnome package...
[20:56] <TJ-> tcc:  "apt install ubuntu-gnome-desktop" I guess
[20:57] <TJ-> tcc: then it'll be available as an alternative desktop at the greeter screen via the Cog icon
[20:57] <tcc> ubuntu-gnome-desktop over just gnome then?
[20:57] <nacc> tcc: although the two experiences won't be identical
[20:57] <nacc> tcc: and i'm ont sure what the switch in 17.10 has to do with 16.04?
[20:57] <tcc> the ubuntu-gnome folks are being absorbed into the official default desktop team?
[20:58] <nacc> tcc: just do what you want on 16.04 and when 18.04.1 comes out, upgrade to it
[20:58] <tcc> @nacc nothing, just wanted to switch from unity
[20:58] <tcc> true
[20:58] <tcc> thanks
[21:03] <texla> Bashing-om, https://pastebin.com/N8ctNnSt   sda3 another program show up on the desktop sda1 does not
[21:05] <kusfedora> can we please remove the dependency on evolution-*-factory? I don't want it. I don't need it.
[21:05] <texla> Bashing-om, /sda3 shows up as 37 gb volume icon
[21:05] <kusfedora> Menzador: I will try it thanks
[21:06] <kusfedora> how would you do this in a terminal btw
[21:06] <Bashing-om> texla: texla ??? the device sda1 will not show as sda1 .. will not ! It is your / , what does show is all that is in the / file system.
[21:07] <nacc> kusfedora: what package?
[21:08] <oerheks> evolution-calendar-factory is guess
[21:08] <nacc> no such package
[21:08] <oerheks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-datetime/+bug/1589605
[21:08] <Bashing-om> texla: All that I expect to show for sda1 on the desktop is maybe home . All else one accesses through the file manager or the terminal .
[21:09] <nacc> oerheks: ah, a program name, not a package name
[21:09] <nacc> oerheks: that's from evolution-date-server (it seems)
[21:09] <oerheks> jups
[21:09] <oerheks> notr fixed in 3.20, maybe 3.26 ?
[21:10] <kusfedora> Yes that one oerheks but it seems the solution is to remove google integration because I have lots of stuff on my google account. basically it is kike "it hurts when I do this" and the doctor says "don't do that"
[21:10] <oerheks> isn't there a proper service file for, on 16.04?
[21:10] <nacc> i don't see a lot of memory consumption on artful
[21:10] <kusfedora> ideally when I do sudo apt install ubuntu-gnome-desktop --no-install-recommends it doesn't install evolution stuff
[21:10] <nacc> (at least from those pacakges)
[21:10] <kusfedora> nacc you won't see it until you use evolution
[21:11] <nacc> kusfedora: ah, so you want to use evolution, but not these other programs?
[21:11] <texla> Bashing-om, Well finally after numerous post an answer that makes since...Thanks a lot!!
[21:11] <nacc> kusfedora: was not at all clear that was what you were doing, if so
[21:12] <oerheks> it is 3 processes, calendar, evolution-source-registry and evolution-addressbook-factor
[21:12] <kusfedora> no, I made the mistake of adding my google account and using evolution once. I'm saying that it is a poorly written program/service/whatever and we should not include it by default
[21:12] <Bashing-om> texla: glad2help . Learning the file system is a never ending process :)
[21:12] <oerheks> none are intrusive memory eaters here, i3 core 6 gb
[21:12] <kusfedora> oerheks they are VERY intrusive memory eaters friend
[21:12] <nacc> kusfedora: evolution is, i believe, a core gnome applicatio
[21:13] <nicomachus> evolution is accessiblity programs. On-screen keyboard, OCR, etc
[21:13] <nicomachus> IIRC
[21:13] <kusfedora> yes, so we can't actually solve it here. they have to remove it upstream but we need to raise our voice and demand it
[21:13] <nicomachus> I removed them from autostart
[21:13] <nicomachus> but not completely
[21:13] <kusfedora> yeah, we can't completely remove it
[21:13] <omiomi> Hello. I'm using ubuntu machines behind squid-deb-proxy, and everything works great EXCEPT I can't seem to add custom ppa the setup does absolutely nothing.
[21:13] <kusfedora> gnome is supposed to be the "good guys", right?
[21:13] <nacc> kusfedora: just disable them? as oerheks said they are systemd services
[21:14] <omiomi> Does anyone know if I'm missing something obvious OR it is not a supported configuration.
[21:14] <kusfedora> no, we should not include shitty software at all
[21:14] <nacc> kusfedora: please watch your language
[21:14] <kusfedora> there is no upper bound
[21:14] <nacc> kusfedora: there is plenty of bad software in ubuntu
[21:14] <nacc> kusfedora: help fix it
[21:14] <nacc> kusfedora: or don't use it
[21:14] <omiomi> *thumbsup*
[21:15] <kusfedora> come on, saying shitty software is shitty is not a personal attack
[21:15] <nacc> kusfedora: i never said it was
[21:15] <nacc> !ohmy | kusfedora: the channel has language policies.
[21:16] <kusfedora> sorry, I guess the word is poorly optimized software not [redacted] software
[21:16] <omiomi> There's MSFT
[21:16] <kusfedora> ? I am saying we should talk to Gnome to either remove it or fix it.
[21:17] <nacc> kusfedora: this is the support channel, feel free to do what you're saying
[21:17] <omiomi> use gnome2 , it's actually usable
[21:17] <kusfedora> y
[21:17] <nicomachus> omiomi: bad advice.
[21:18] <oerheks> kusfedora, you might want to build it yourself with -DENABLE_GOOGLE_AUTH=OFF and -DENABLE_UOA=OFF:  >> http://www.nl.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/systemd/gnome/evolution-data-server.html
[21:18] <oerheks> but what happens next..
[21:18] <kusfedora> oerheks the point isn't what I can do for myself. I am trying to make it a better experience for everyone :(
[21:18] <TJ-> Anyone ever seen command-line arguments in the shell field of /etc/passwd? 'man passwd' isn't clear if they're acceptable.
[21:19] <qswz> I never saw a worst doc, I just want to install it, it shows nowhere how to dowload it http://server.arcgis.com/en/server/latest/install/linux/welcome-to-the-arcgis-for-server-install-guide.htm
[21:19] <oerheks> so, why isn't there a proper service file to stop this? isn't that a possible fix?
[21:19] <oerheks> sytemd.. still learning
[21:19] <nacc> qswz: offtopic?
[21:20] <qswz> no, just problem solvin gon ubuntu
[21:20] <kusfedora> qswz if you want to see poor documentation, look at a company called dwolla.
[21:20] <qswz> ha
[21:20] <qswz> the site is nice at least
[21:22] <michelbelleville> Hi everybody. I'm having trouble getting my ubuntu to detect my secondary screen. When I plug it, it doesn't light up ; when I have a look at the screen, it says "hdmi no signal" ; when I use the command xrandr it says "disconnected" for the secondary monitor.
[21:22] <kusfedora> yeah and some of the documentation is up to date but some is not which makes me guess the software evolved and the documentation is lagging :P
[21:22] <omiomi> Hello. I'm using ubuntu machines behind squid-deb-proxy, and everything works great EXCEPT I can't seem to add custom ppa the setup does absolutely nothing. Is this a supported configuration or not?
[21:22] <michelbelleville> And when I use the configuration button "detect monitors": it doesn't do anything.
[21:22] <nacc> omiomi: https://askubuntu.com/questions/303150/apt-get-403-forbidden-but-accessible-in-the-browser
[21:23] <nacc> omiomi: first hit o google for 'squid-deb-proxy ppa' ?
[21:23] <qswz> michelbelleville: sure your graphic card can support it?
[21:23] <itp5> hi
[21:24] <michelbelleville> qswz: Positive ; it worked before, and it works on windows ; I'm using the nvidia driver.
[21:24] <omiomi> let me double check, I think I had that already.
[21:24] <qswz> on linux
[21:24] <qswz> check additional drivers
[21:24] <oerheks> hmm 2nd place .. https://www.bing.com/search?q=squid-deb-proxy+ppa
[21:25] <michelbelleville> qswz: Yep, it worked before, onlinux. It ceased to be detected when I tried to tweak something to get it to set another scale factor than my main screen.
[21:25] <nacc> oerheks: heh
[21:25] <qswz> wow a bing user
[21:25] <qswz> that's rare
[21:25] <mohhamad> hi
[21:25] <michelbelleville> qswz: indeed ^^
[21:25] <qswz> michelbelleville: check your resolution settings
[21:25] <qswz> or whatever to manage it
[21:25] <TJ-> michelbelleville: which GPU does the system have ("lspci -nnk -d ::0300") and which display driver is the system using ("cat /sys/class/graphics/fb?/name ") ?
[21:26] <akik> michelbelleville: create a new user and test with it if you don't remember the changes you made
[21:26] <mohhamad> what's up?
[21:26] <mohhamad> what?
[21:26] <mohhamad> exit
[21:26] <qswz>  /c
[21:26] <qswz>  /wc
[21:26] <oerheks> no, i have 2 browsers, 2 search engines. lots of fun
[21:26] <Menzador>  /laugh
[21:27] <michelbelleville> akik: may we talk in private? If I have to post the command results...
[21:27] <qswz> you can use a http://dpaste.com
[21:27] <akik> michelbelleville: no, keep the chat on the channel
[21:27] <TJ-> !paste | michelbelleville
[21:27] <michelbelleville> qswz: akik: ok, doing just that.
[21:27] <oerheks> paste.ubuntu.com please
[21:27] <qswz> the brand paste
[21:28] <qswz> anything not pastebin.com is nice
[21:28] <oerheks> true
[21:29] <oerheks> <command > | nc termbin.com 9999 # no need to install anything
[21:30] <michelbelleville> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25781319/
[21:30] <michelbelleville> akik: Did that already ; same problem apparently.
[21:31] <TJ-> michelbelleville: looks like the PC has Intel graphics, not Nvidia
[21:31] <qswz> VGA compatible
[21:31] <michelbelleville> TJ-: Oh. Though that's what the "additional pilots" says I'm using.
[21:31] <qswz> not sure hdmi
[21:32] <wonko> So, upgraded my 17.04 box to 17.10. Now the nVidia drivers won't load. :(
[21:32] <TJ-> michelbelleville: if the Xorg server isn't using the Intel driver that would explain why the second monitor cannot be found
[21:32] <TJ-> michelbelleville: show us "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[21:33] <wonko> https://gist.github.com/bhechinger/5f619264e47f5e3721d2341e81f07635
[21:33] <laszlo_> Hi guys. It seems that I have problem with new 17.10 and it's screensaver. I have done the usual: removed gnome-screensaver and apt installed xscreensaver and extras. But... there is still /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon/gsd-screensaver-proxy running, and I believe it blocks xscreensaver
[21:33] <michelbelleville> TJ-: (I don't seem to have the "pastebinit" command?)
[21:33] <TJ-> wonko: have you got the latest nvidia-dkms source package? the module for kernel 4.13 needs several patches applying
[21:33] <michelbelleville> TJ-: (or did you mean to copy the contents of the file?)
[21:33] <wonko> TJ-: so the stuff in the PPA isn't going to work?
[21:33] <TJ-> michelbelleville: Hmm. Which release of Ubuntu are you using? "lsb_release -a"
[21:34] <TJ-> wonko: "the PPA" - which PPA, edge?
[21:34] <wonko> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/graphics-drivers/ppa/ubuntu artful main
[21:34] <michelbelleville> TJ-:
[21:34] <TJ-> wonko: yes, I would expect those to work
[21:34] <TJ-> wonko: has the driver built but fails to load, loads but fails to init the display?
[21:35] <michelbelleville> TJ-: 17.10 (freshly upgraded, hoping it could solve the problem, from 16.04 then 17.04)
[21:35] <wonko> modprobe won't load it
[21:35] <TJ-> wonko: what error do you see?
[21:35] <wonko> modprobe: ERROR: ../libkmod/libkmod-module.c:832 kmod_module_insert_module() could not find module by name='nvidia_387'
[21:35] <TJ-> wonko: sounds like it's not installed
[21:36] <TJ-> wonko: try "find /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ -type f -name 'nvdia*'
[21:36] <michelbelleville> TJ-: And here's the content of /var/log/Xorg.0.log http://paste.ubuntu.com/25781341/
[21:36] <wonko> ii  nvidia-387                                                       387.12-0ubuntu0~gpu17.10.1                                 amd64        NVIDIA binary driver - version 387.12
[21:36] <michelbelleville> TJ-: the find says nothing.
[21:36] <wonko> that's installed direct from the PPA
[21:36] <nacc> TJ-: typo (nvdia)
[21:37] <wonko> /lib/modules/4.13.0-16-lowlatency/kernel/drivers/video/fbdev/nvidia/nvidiafb.ko
[21:37] <TJ-> nacc: michelbelleville Hmmm, Xorg log shows it's got Nvidia and Intel, so this is a Prime issue
[21:37] <laszlo_> damn got logged out of the session after killing gsd-screensaver-proxy ;)
[21:37] <michelbelleville> TJ- Ok. What should I do about that?
[21:41] <zwarag_> How can I tell Ubuntu (17.10) to do nothing when I close my laptop lid
[21:41] <TJ-> michelbelleville: I thought all the nvidia prime issues had been sorted out by now. It's not clear what's going on. There don't seem to be any clues in the log file
[21:42] <qswz> let it at least turn down screen
[21:42] <Kendo_Cocaine> zwarag_:https://askubuntu.com/questions/15520/how-can-i-tell-ubuntu-to-do-nothing-when-i-close-my-laptop-lid
[21:43] <qswz> pref > power manager
[21:43] <TJ-> michelbelleville: the log file seems to show the system has been suspended. Does the problem occur immediately after a fresh power-off restart?
[21:43] <michelbelleville> Yep. When I start the computer, the screen plugged, powered and on, it doesn't get detected by Ubuntu. It does, however, by windows when I start the dual boot.
[21:43] <zwarag_> Kendo_Cocaine: well thank you but Cntl+F that site and you will see nothing for 17.10
[21:43] <waltman> I don't have a kvm, so when I want to use my mac on my big monitor I swap over the keyboard and monitor cables. When I came back just now nothing was running in my X session! Is this another "feature" in Gnome?
[21:44] <michelbelleville> TJ- Yep. When I start the computer, the screen plugged, powered and on, it doesn't get detected by Ubuntu. It does, however, by windows when I start the dual boot. (sorry, I'm not very used to IRC either ^^°
[21:44] <waltman> I'd left things running! It shouldn't be killing them unless I tell it to!
[21:47] <TJ-> michelbelleville: hmmm.... I think this could be yet another acpi_osi issue! can you show us "cat /proc/cmdline"
[21:47] <michelbelleville> TJ-: Right away ^^
[21:47] <michelbelleville> TJ-: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.13.0-16-generic.efi.signed root=UUID=7ac9067a-cb16-4819-a5d0-48c74e036259 ro quiet splash vt.handoff=7
[21:47] <omi> nacc, re proxy. So yes, I had those two lines in. For some reason, (from logs) it fails from changelogs.ubuntu.com (which I have also added)
[21:48] <nacc> omi: i see, and it works onnce you did that?
[21:49] <TJ-> michelbelleville: OK... a bit of explanation. On some systems the ACPI DSDT has code to enable the GPU output ports and doing that  sometimes depends on the running OS being Windows. Read my article on this and apply the suggested fix and test it again. http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[21:49] <omi> nacc, nope
[21:49] <omi> that's what's puzzling me.
[21:49] <omi> https://pastebin.com/7r2Cm8RR
[21:49] <michelbelleville> TJ-: Thanks, I'll do that right away.
[21:49] <nacc> omi: those are the squid-deb-proxy logs?
[21:50] <omi> yes
[21:50] <nacc> omi: sorry, i don't know
[21:51] <michelbelleville> TJ-: (what's an ACPI DSDT by the way?)
[21:51] <omi> nacho, thnx anyways.
[21:51] <TJ-> michelbelleville: it's explained in the article
[21:51] <michelbelleville> TJ-: (right, I've arrived there ; sorry)
[21:52] <TJ-> michelbelleville: I've had to explain this so many times I've written it up!
[21:52] <nacc> omi: why does squid-deb-proxy proxy a non-deb request?
[21:52] <nacc> omi: and after adding it, did you restart squid-deb-proxy (nont just reload it)
[21:52] <omi> yes
[21:52] <nacc> omi: ok
[21:54] <michelbelleville> TJ-: Ok, I've used the command you provided and it seemed to do its job ; now I reboot and cross my fingers. Thanks for your help ^^
[21:58] <michelbelleville> TJ-: Well, looks like it FREAKING WORKED! TJ-, you're an -fing genius ^^ thank you so much (I spent about 3 nights googling that stuff).
[21:59] <TJ-> michelbelleville: That issue is causing more than 80% of all hardware/device/power issues currently
[21:59] <omi> naan, I see someone mention that ppa:maas/stable may be nonexistant
[21:59] <michelbelleville> TJ-: Yup. A wonder why Canonical hasn't adressed it already really ^^°
[22:00] <TJ-> michelbelleville: I think it's something we will have to
[22:00] <omi> nacho, I see someone mention that ppa:maas/stable may not exist actually.
[22:00] <nacc> !tab | omi
[22:00] <michelbelleville> TJ-: Anways, thanks a whole big bunch ^^d
[22:00] <TJ-> michelbelleville: you're welcome
[22:00] <nacc> omi: https://launchpad.net/~maas/+archive/ubuntu/stable
[22:01] <omi> Nacc, ok that's nice!
[22:06] <wonko> Ok, I may have fixed it. Won't know until I get home to check
[22:06] <connorkmc> hi
[22:06] <wonko> gdm is running though, which is promising
[22:06] <wonko> now to figure out what's wrong with apparmor
[22:07] <connorkmc> i cont run steam
[22:07] <connorkmc> i need help
[22:08] <connorkmc> im trying to run steam but it says libc6... has no instalation candidate
[22:09] <connorkmc> please help
[22:09] <nacc> connorkmc: what is the output of `lsb_release -sd`
[22:09] <nacc> connorkmc: and `apt-cache policy steam`
[22:09] <connorkmc> idk
[22:09] <nacc> connorkmc: seriously? run those and give them.
[22:10] <nacc> use a pastebin if needed
[22:10] <nacc> !pastebin | connorkmc
[22:11] <nacc> connorkmc: also 'running steam' won't say anything about installation candidates. Do you mean installing steam?
[22:12] <connorkmc> i installed the dep file with the installer and tryed to open the app then it brange me to package install the put in password and then in says cant install missing libc6
[22:12] <nacc> connorkmc: what? a .deb is something to install, not an installer. What installer?
[22:12] <kostkon> connorkmc, open the terminal and type those commands or even better c/p them into the terminal. It's that simple
[22:12] <nacc> connorkmc: you should have just installed 'steam' using either a package manager GUI or apt.
[22:13] <wonko> there, apparmor fixed
[22:13] <wonko> now there is nothing failing in systemctl
[22:14] <connorkmc> ok i used gdebi to install it then the package installer came up then said missing libc6
[22:14] <zoey> i'm a python developer. should i use lts or should i use the latest?
[22:14] <kostkon> connorkmc, so you haven't managed to install it
[22:14] <connorkmc> no
[22:14] <nacc> connorkmc: why did you use gdebi? it's a package in ubuntu.
[22:14] <nacc> connorkmc: use your package manager and innstall steam.
[22:14] <zoey> i'm okay with running upgrades every 6 months
[22:14] <nacc> zoey: totally up to you?
[22:14] <connorkmc> what should i use
[22:15] <zoey> nacc i know i mean i notice there are a lot of things like python 3.6 i have to add manually which i sad
[22:15] <oerheks> zoey, for pure python 3 development, yes.
[22:15] <wonko> he probably needs the i386 libc6
[22:15] <nacc> zoey: if you want the latest, use the latest, i'd say
[22:15] <zoey> ok
[22:15] <oerheks> python 2 is dropped in 17.10
[22:16] <wonko> but yes install from the system packages. easiest. :)
[22:16] <kostkon> zoey, if pypi isn't enough to cover your needs so yeah use the latest
[22:16] <wonko> oerheks: so Ubuntu is finally free of Python2?
[22:16] <zoey> uwu
[22:16] <zoey> thanks
[22:16] <nacc> oerheks: not entirely true
[22:17] <nacc> (at least afaik)
[22:17] <zoey> i'm donating to ubuuntu for the first time XD
[22:17] <nacc> !info python artful
[22:17] <kostkon> zoey, thumbs up for that
[22:17] <zoey> i like the sliders
[22:17] <nacc> oerheks: i believe we're close, though, to not needing it
[22:17] <nacc> connorkmc: please ask in the channel
[22:18] <connorkmc> k
[22:18] <nacc> connorkmc: just do `sudo apt update; sudo apt install steam`
[22:18] <connorkmc> k
[22:18] <nacc> connorkmc: although you still never told me the output of the commands i aksed for
[22:18] <nacc> connorkmc: it's really hard to help you if you don't provide that
[22:19] <wonko> nacc: will the steam package in the default repo auto-install the 32-bit stuff?
[22:19] <omi> nacc, apt-key was the issue.. for some reason, it wasn't using the http proxy setting in apt.conf.
[22:19] <wonko> dollars to donuts that's his issue
[22:19] <nacc> wonko: afaik, steam will install correctly, yes
[22:19] <JohnnyR030T> https://askubuntu.com/questions/40416/why-is-lib-libc-so-6-missing
[22:19] <omi> nacc,  apt-key adv --keyserver-options http-proxy=http://USER:PASSWORD@PROXY_URL:PORT/ --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys GPG_KEY solved it for me.
[22:19] <connorkmc> i have just stared with linux
[22:19] <nacc> wonko: if using the partner version
[22:19] <nacc> wonko: if they are using the one from steam, that's offtopic for here
[22:19] <nacc> omi: interesting
[22:20] <nacc> connorkmc: then you definitely should not have used gdebi :)
[22:20] <connorkmc> what im i suposed to use then
[22:20] <wonko> nacc: I just checked my system (Don't actually *use* steam on it, but it's installed) and it looks like I got it from the repo and it gave me no issue so it likely installs all the 32-bit stuff
[22:21] <JohnnyR030T> @connorkmc, yea, you should use the gnome software store than.
[22:21] <nacc> connorkmc: do you know what gdebi is doig?
[22:21] <nacc> connorkmc: use the UI package manager (software or wahtever it's called)
[22:21] <nacc> wonko: yeah, i've used it a few times here, in 16.04 and on without issue
[22:21] <connorkmc> no i fallowed a tutorial on youtube
[22:21] <nacc> connorkmc: yeah, don't do that either :)
[22:21] <connorkmc> by dave benet
[22:22] <wonko> oh god, youtube tutorials
[22:22] <JohnnyR030T> lol :)
[22:22] <nacc> connorkmc: unless you *know* the tutorial is current, it's probably wrong
[22:22] <nacc> sad to say
[22:22] <connorkmc> thats y i  got xchat
[22:22] <nacc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Valve
[22:22] <JohnnyR030T> Yea, I've broken quite a few installs that way.
[22:22] <kostkon> connorkmc, well it wasn't a good one otherwise you wouldn't be here asking for help
[22:22] <connorkmc> yah
[22:22] <nacc> the "Installation" section, in particular
[22:23] <JohnnyR030T> Great way to learn what not to do is on youtube tuts. lol
[22:23] <nacc> even if that is out of date (it is, it appears a bit), it's still more authoritative than a third-party youtube video
[22:23] <connorkmc> k
[22:24] <nacc> we might even have a faq for it
[22:24] <nacc> !steam
[22:24] <nacc> there you go :)
[22:25] <JohnnyR030T> Ah, nice! :)
[22:27] <connorkmc> i have the deb file for steam what now
[22:27] <nacc> connorkmc: why?
[22:27] <nacc> connorkmc: you don't need the .deb
[22:27] <nacc> connorkmc: i feel like you're not reading what we're saying
[22:28] <connorkmc> ok then what do
[22:28] <nacc> connorkmc: from a terminal, run `sudo apt update; sudo apt install steam`. Or from the UI package manager, search for steam and install it.
[22:30] <B105PH3RE> so inspircd I can't find where the "network name" or Welcome message is... I remember I had a console gui when I first setup the server... but where can I change this sinformation its not in /etc/inspircd/inspircd.conf
[22:30] <connorkmc> nothing happend
[22:30] <nacc> connorkmc: ok, so maybe it is already installed?
[22:30] <connorkmc> idk
[22:30] <nacc> connorkmc: why haven't you provided the output I asked for20 minutes ago?
[22:31] <connorkmc> im new what it the output comand
[22:31] <nacc> connorkmc: what is the output of `lsb_release -sd`
[22:31] <nacc> connorkmc: and `apt-cache policy steam`
[22:32] <connorkmc> idk
[22:32] <nacc> connorkmc: ok, you have to be kidding me or trolling
[22:32] <nacc> connorkmc: run those commands and c&p the output here
[22:32] <nacc> "idk" is not a valid response
[22:33] <marting> Hi, I asked in #kubuntu, but was transferred here: I installed kubuntu 17.10 today, and noticed that with netextender (VPN solution of SonicWall), I have a major memory leak (java). How do I debug this? Any suggestions?
[22:33] <marting> Are there any alternatives to netExtender for sonicwall vpn?
[22:33] <kostkon> connorkmc, you are gonna be deemed a lost cause and not get help anymore by anyone
[22:33] <marting>  it is eating about 8 MB per second
[22:34] <marting> On another machine, running Fedora, and the exact same version of java (openjdk 1.8.0._144, build 18.0_144_b01), and the exact same version of netextender (8.6.801), there is no memory leak. It is stable at ~130MB
[22:34] <connorkmc> steam:i386 is already the newest version (<IP_ADDRESS>).
[22:34] <connorkmc> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 131 not upgraded.
[22:34] <connorkmc> (xenial)connorkmc@localhost:~$
[22:34] <kostkon> connorkmc, that's better
[22:34] <nacc> connorkmc: not at all the commands I asked for, but something
[22:34] <nacc> connorkmc: ok, do the same for the commands I *did* ask for
[22:35] <nacc> connorkmc: also that version of steam is not available in any supported ubuntu currently.
[22:35] <connorkmc> Reading package lists... Done
[22:35] <connorkmc> N: Skipping acquire of configured file 'non-free/binary-armhf/Packages' as repository 'http://repository.spotify.com stable InRelease' doesn't support architecture 'armhf'
[22:35] <connorkmc> N: Skipping acquire of configured file 'games/binary-armhf/Packages' as repository 'http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu xenial-getdeb InRelease' doesn't support architecture 'armhf'
[22:35] <connorkmc> N: Skipping acquire of configured file 'main/binary-armhf/Packages' as repository 'https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/ubuntu xenial InRelease' doesn't support architecture 'armhf'
[22:35] <connorkmc> E: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/glennric/dolphin-emu/ubuntu xenial Release' does not have a Release file.
[22:35] <connorkmc> N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
[22:36] <B105PH3RE> anyone able to help with my inspircd problem?
[22:36] <kostkon> !paste | connorkmc, not here, there→
[22:36] <nacc> connorkmc: also, not at all what we asked for!
[22:37] <nacc> connorkmc: please read the commands I gave you, and use those, don't provide random command outputs unless asked for
[22:37] <nacc> connorkmc: also are you on armhf??
[22:37] <nacc> connorkmc: i don't think steam supports anything other than i386
[22:38] <connorkmc> oh
[22:38] <nacc> connorkmc: and even if it did, I don't thinkn you're running a supported release
[22:38] <connorkmc> k
[22:38] <Jordan_U> connorkmc: What kind of computer do you have? Please post a link to the exact video you were following.
[22:39] <kostkon> connorkmc, what is your hardware, just wondering If you know, that is
[22:39] <nacc> and what version of ubuntu, I don't think it's actually xenial (based upon the apt output), but really would like to see the lsb_release and policy output
[22:40] <connorkmc> ok then i was trying to install synaptic  manager  and it worked till i tryed opinign it it didnt open
[22:41] <connorkmc> ?
[22:42] <nacc> connorkmc: I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not willing to help you until you provide the output of those two commands asked for, and probably the answer to Jordan_U / kostkon's question
[22:43] <connorkmc> i have tryed to run xfce on a chromebook
[22:43] <kostkon> connorkmc, there it is
[22:44] <Jordan_U> connorkmc: If you have an ARM based, rather than x86 based, chromebook then you cannot run steam.
[22:45] <connorkmc> k thx
[22:45] <nacc> connorkmc: as to the synaptic question, provide the output of the commands (at least lsb_release) and probably `apt-cache policy synaptic`
[22:46] <connorkmc> synaptic:
[22:46] <connorkmc>   Installed: 0.83
[22:46] <connorkmc>   Candidate: 0.83
[22:46] <connorkmc>   Version table:
[22:46] <connorkmc>  *** 0.83 500
[22:46] <connorkmc>         500 http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports xenial/universe armhf Packages
[22:47] <kostkon> yep, older arm based chromebook. It must be
[22:47] <connorkmc> there
[22:48] <kostkon> connorkmc, no steam for you on this hardware, I'm afraid
[22:48] <connorkmc> k
[22:49] <kostkon> connorkmc, it that all? for today at least
[22:49] <kostkon> connorkmc, anything else we can help you with
[22:49] <Jordan_U> connorkmc: Most Open Source games, those available in the Ubuntu software Center, should work on your hardware. Most closed source games (Almost all games you might buy) will not work on ARM.
[22:49] <connorkmc> the synaaptic
[22:50] <nacc> connorkmc: as to synaptic, what happens when you run `synaptic` from the commandlien?
[22:50] <nacc> connorkmc: annd again use a pastebin!
[22:50] <Jordan_U> connorkmc: I would recommend trying Ubuntu Software Center rather than synaptic. Ubuntu Software Center is much simpler to use.
[22:50] <nacc> Jordan_U: good call
[22:51] <connorkmc> synaptic:
[22:51] <connorkmc>   Installed: 0.83
[22:51] <connorkmc>   Candidate: 0.83
[22:51] <connorkmc>   Version table:
[22:51] <connorkmc>  *** 0.83 500
[22:51] <connorkmc>         500 http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports xenial/universe armhf Packages
[22:51] <nacc> connorkmc: no, you've already give us that, and agai you didn't use a pastebin.
[22:51] <oerheks> don't flood the servers please
[22:51]  * maheshpec
[22:51] <nacc> connorkmc: actually run the command 'synaptic' and tell us what happens
[22:51] <dax> connorkmc: read what people in here and Drone in PM are telling you, thnaks.
[22:52] <dax> wait why am i opped again
[22:52] <nacc> lol
[22:52] <connorkmc> synaptic
[22:53] <oerheks> dax, weekend-fingers, totally op-toppic
[22:53] <connorkmc> it says comand not found
[22:53] <dax> oh that's right, i was banforwarding someone here. ok. i am not crazy. good.
[22:54] <oerheks> ubuntu xfce synaptic
[23:01] <Thunder_Tw> do people still talk on irc these days, or are it just zombies signing in and out?
[23:02] <nacc> Thunder_Tw: are you a zombie?
[23:03] <Thunder_Tw> I might be
[23:03] <nacc> Thunder_Tw: as in, yes, irc is still very active
[23:06] <Thunder_Tw> Back in my gaming days I only used irc for counter-strike, clans. I assumed there would be more activity with 1200 people if i compare back at channels that big back then
[23:07] <nacc> Thunder_Tw: this isn't a chat channel, it's a support channel.
[23:07] <Thunder_Tw> my mistake
[23:07] <nacc> Thunder_Tw: consider #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic depending on your goal
[23:08] <Thunder_Tw> thanks for the tip
[23:13] <cong> how do i remove the us keyboard from windows? i don't have it installed but it still shows up.
[23:13] <nacc> cong: windows as in the operating system?
[23:13] <cong> nah im talking about some other operating system
[23:14] <nacc> cong: you are in the ubuntu support channel, maybe you want ##windows or whatever
[23:14] <nacc> cong: so maybe take your snark elsewhere
[23:14] <Thunder_Tw> wundows from mucrosuft and bull gits xD
[23:14] <cong> yeah fucks windows hahaha
[23:16] <Gorwell> Hello, I have a problem with a ISO file I downloaded. If i want to execute cat/file/lsattr/sha1sum/etc <file_name> it doesn't seem that I don't have permissions to read the file. What could be causing this problem?
[23:16] <Gorwell> I already chmoded 777 it
[23:17] <nacc> Gorwell: can you pastebin the output of `ls -ahl /path/to/file; file /path/to/file` ?
[23:19] <Gorwell> nacc: sure, http://paste.ubuntu.com/25781796/
[23:19] <Gorwell> (I am running as root)
[23:19] <nacc> Gorwell: ok, the same but as the user who is getting th epermissio issue?
[23:20] <nacc> Gorwell: my guess is your user does ont have read access to the directroy the iso file is in (or some path above it)
[23:20] <Gorwell> nacc: yes, I am getting the problem as root and as any other user
[23:20] <nacc> Gorwell: hrm? it just worked as root
[23:21] <Gorwell> nacc: no, I don't have read permission to the file even as root
[23:21] <nacc> Gorwell: you just read the file.
[23:21] <codepython777> is there a way to put /boot and /swap inside / with a single fs for / eating all of the hard drive?
[23:21] <nacc> Gorwell: or `file` wouldn't have worked
[23:21] <nacc> codepython777: yes, just have a / when you setup your system
[23:21] <nacc> codepython777: and use swapfiles (not swap partitions)
[23:22] <Gorwell> nacc: I can't do cat <filename> or anything related to it. If I try cat <filename> I get: cat: <filename>: Operation not permitted
[23:22] <Gorwell> I get the same error while trying to do lsattr
[23:23] <codepython777> nacc: when i do the installer fails - could not install grub
[23:23] <nacc> Gorwell: you just did a `file <filename>` right?
[23:23] <nacc> Gorwell: cat'ing an iso is not probably waht you want to do anyways
[23:23] <nacc> codepython777: what installer (which version of ubuntu)?
[23:23] <Thunder_Tw> nacc was thinking that too
[23:24] <Gorwell> nacc: yes I did. I know I don't want to do that, I am just trying to figure why I can't read the file even as root
[23:24] <Thunder_Tw> cat just prints the content of the file to your screen
[23:24] <codepython777> nacc: 16.04.3 LTS
[23:24] <nacc> codepython777: hrm, it should work
[23:26] <nacc> Gorwell: it's also strange that it's saying your iso is a  'regular file' -- is it not an ISO?
[23:27] <Gorwell> nacc: I know. It is an ISO, I downloaded the exact same file in macOS and it came up fine, moved it to Ubuntu and still got this error
[23:27] <Thunder_Tw> Gorwell: I do not see why annyone with root acces and a file with read permission active can not be read either. But I'm no expert
[23:27] <codepython777> nacc: I am now trying to add boot (512Mb - reserved bios area type) + swap and see if that will work
[23:28] <nacc> codepython777: ah sorry, perhaps you do need a /boot still (i'm not 100% on that), due to the limits of what grub can address
[23:28] <nacc> codepython777: but you don't need a swap for sure
[23:28] <nacc> Gorwell: you moved it from macos to ubuntu? how did you move it?
[23:29] <codepython777> nacc: Does /boot have to be "reserved bios area type"?
[23:29] <Gorwell> nacc: I downloaded countless times from the web and then tried downloading it on my macOS and grabbing it with scp.
[23:29] <wonko> nope, didn't fix it. :(
[23:30] <nacc> codepython777: i don't think so
[23:30] <nacc> codepython777: my /boot is just a regular Linxu filesystem (ext2)
[23:30] <nacc> Gorwell: i really don't know, sorry
[23:30] <nacc> Gorwell: it's strnage that file is able to read it, when it says no read permission
[23:31] <Gorwell> nacc: it's okay, thanks anyway. I don't really know what might be causing this too.
[23:31] <Gorwell> I will download Ubuntu's ISO to run fsck now.
[23:31] <codepython777> nacc: even with /boot -> A bootable device has not been detected
[23:31] <nacc> codepython777:  a /boot partitio, right?
[23:32] <codepython777> nacc: I do have that
[23:32] <codepython777> i chose ext4 for it, ubuntu said it needed to be "reserved bios type" so i did that - now its not bootable
[23:32] <nacc> codepython777: you don't generally want a journal on /boot ... i don't know about any of that stuff
[23:33] <nacc> codepython777: i feel like you can just take the defaults for /boot
[23:33] <codepython777> I just need to manually parition before installing
[23:33] <codepython777> I want my / to be btrfs - I dont care about /boot - but the installer wont let me ignore it.
[23:34] <nacc> codepython777: why do you need to do it before installing?
[23:34] <nacc> codepython777: or , rather, why can't you do it from the installer?
[23:34] <codepython777> Isnt it cleaner to select FS before install?
[23:34] <nacc> not at all
[23:34] <nacc> it's rather abnormal, imo
[23:35] <codepython777> nacc: so install ubuntu, then change the parition fs to another type?
[23:36] <nacc> codepython777: in the installer do that
[23:36] <nacc> codepython777: i've never pre-partitioned a system, never had a reason to
[23:36] <nacc> codepython777: i just install it to an empty disk and choose what i want in the isntaller
[23:37] <rdh> you have to have a file system before putting files on it, changing a filesystem requires reinstalling files afterwards
[23:37] <nacc> rdh: i don't believe anyone said anything different
 nacc: so install ubuntu, then change the parition fs to another type? nacc
[23:38] <nacc> rdh: and i clarified that i meant in the installer
[23:38] <nacc> rdh: i see your point, though
[23:40] <alsetema> I am here again to ask for help, once again. I have decided to fully install ubuntu 17.10 on my laptop and remove windows. In the ubuntu instalation options I set it to erase everything and install ubuntu on my drive. Now when I boot, something weird happens. a UEFI box shows up telling me ubuntu boot failed, then I hit okay, then it tells me Windows boot manager failed to boot too, and then it will
[23:40] <rdh> nacc, setting up your partitions before installing ubuntu shouldn't be an issue, unless ubuntu's kernel doesnt have support for brtfs
[23:40] <alsetema> prompt me to an EFI shell. FOr me to be able to boot into ubuntu, i need to go into some kind of menu (hitting escape) > boot from file> select ubuntu drive> efi> boot file. then grub will show up. How can i fix this so when I boot  my pc it automatically loads grub and not to the efi shell?
[23:41] <nacc> rdh: right, but it also shouldn't be necessary
[23:41] <nacc> rdh: unless you're using zfs as root, i think
[23:41] <codepython777> rdh: Am still unable to boot from an install that I can get from manual partitions
[23:41] <codepython777> trying another one this time
[23:45] <nacc> alsetema: did you perhaps install non-efi ubuntu on a efi-enabled machine?
[23:45] <nacc> alsetema: or v.v.
[23:46] <alsetema> I don't think so, since the installer gave me a message saying expressively i was installing an EFI version, and asked me if I wanted to proceed
[23:47] <nacc> alsetema: ok
[23:47] <alsetema> And to boot from the USB i had to go through the same "boot from file" menu, go to the pendrive, then EFI folder, and there i found two files, apparently no matter what file i chose (grub or boot) it prompted me to the same screen, nacc
[23:48] <alsetema> It's like somehow the efi list of OS' is not being updated... it still shows windows boot manager as an "option" when it is no longer installed
[23:57] <codepython777> nacc: what is intereting -> if i just create a / -btrfs on the entire disk and then install ubuntu - it refuses to boot
[23:58] <codepython777> if i add a /boot - > 512MB + / - it still refuses to boot
[23:58] <codepython777> not sure what I am doing wrong


[11:36] <Scary_Guy> pixel 2 doesn't have a 3.5mm jack, which is a goddamn standard.  If they wanted to go smaller they should have just gone with a 2.5mm jack and upconverted from that.  now we need hubs and converters anyway and it's going to make any sound guy's job that has to hook up a phone that much harder
[11:38] <Scary_Guy> at least they got everything else right again.  almost like a newer nexus 6 from what I see
[12:44] <Scary_Guy> https://www.penzba.co.uk/GreybeardStories/TheBlackTeam.html
[12:44] <mrgoodcat> how often does a sound guy have to hook up a phone?
[12:45] <Scary_Guy> depends on what's going on.  sometimes I have to work with performers (fire eaters, burlesque, etc..) and they have their own music
[12:45] <Scary_Guy> usually they'll hand it to me on a USB stick or CD
[12:46] <mrgoodcat> yea i understand that you dont want to have to carry dongles, but it is what it is
[12:47] <mrgoodcat> and they didn't do it for thinness from what i understand, but for easier waterproofing
[12:47] <mrgoodcat> thinness may be a factor, ifaict the waterproofing is the motivating force
[12:48] <Scary_Guy> not from what I read, a few years ago people were complaining it made it thicker.    I don't drop mine either, usually
[12:50] <mrgoodcat> and battery is a non-issue on my pixel
[12:50] <mrgoodcat> i've not had it die in a single day yet
[12:50] <mrgoodcat> i haven't broken a phone since high school and that was a flip phone that went in a pool
[12:51] <mrgoodcat> waterproofing would have saved it :)
[12:51] <Scary_Guy> that's not to say people don't get drunk and lose fine motor control among other things
[12:51] <mrgoodcat> giant cases are gross
[12:51] <Scary_Guy> cases are gross from an engineering standpoint.  should be completely unnecessary
[12:52] <Scary_Guy> there was a rugged casio phone that was slow as hell but wow they could take a beating
[12:52] <Scary_Guy> back when android 2.3 was a thing
[12:52] <mrgoodcat> there was a moto like that too
[12:52] <mrgoodcat> moto z2 force?
[12:53] <Scary_Guy> I don't think I ever played with one of those
[12:53] <mrgoodcat> nobody bought them
[12:53] <mrgoodcat> release june 2017 i just looked
[12:53] <mrgoodcat> thats why
[12:54] <mrgoodcat> they're pretty new
[12:54] <Scary_Guy> probably because too bulky
[12:54] <mrgoodcat> and when was the last time you saw a new phone that wasn't samsung/iphone/pixel/....htc?
[12:54] <mrgoodcat> not even htc really
[12:54] <mrgoodcat> not even pixel really
[12:55] <mrgoodcat> my friends have pixels but its a skewed sample as a CS student
[12:55] <Scary_Guy> https://www.gsmarena.com/casio-phones-77.php  The Commando was rock solid
[12:55] <mrgoodcat> ya i wouldn't buy that
[12:55] <Scary_Guy> yeah, not the prettiest thing for sure
[12:56] <Scary_Guy> but I'm a function over form type guy
[12:56] <mrgoodcat> "doesn't break when dropped" isn't function for me
[12:56] <mrgoodcat> since, like i said, i haven't broken a phone by dropping
[12:57] <Scary_Guy> give it time, we lose everything as we age
[12:57] <Scary_Guy> and again, the occasional drunk episode
[12:58] <mrgoodcat> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[12:58] <mrgoodcat> i don't really drink much either
[12:59] <Scary_Guy> well, hopefully you're running some type of auto backup on it then
[12:59] <mrgoodcat> its an android
[12:59] <mrgoodcat> everything important isn't even on it
[13:00] <mrgoodcat> or is at least copied
[13:00] <Scary_Guy> not always, I ripped out the google parts and stuck on a custom OS
[13:01] <mrgoodcat> hopefully you're running some type of auto backup on it then :)
[13:01] <mrgoodcat> in my experience, switching phones on android is painless and quick
[13:02] <mrgoodcat> i don't really know but i assume iphone is the same way
[13:02] <mrgoodcat> although i understand it isn't quite as good
[13:02] <Scary_Guy> it is, easier than reloading a new OS anyway
[13:02] <Scary_Guy> iphone I think you just plug in your icloud and everything works
[13:02] <mrgoodcat> i'm looking through my list of apps now
[13:02] <mrgoodcat> lol
[13:03] <mrgoodcat> i don't see any that stick out at me that would have anything local-only
[13:03] <Scary_Guy> I have lots that are local only, even my map app runs on device incase internet goes out
[13:04] <mrgoodcat> so does google maps
[13:05] <mrgoodcat> i meant that wouldn't be easily restored on a new phone
[13:05] <Scary_Guy> not all of the map
[13:05] <mrgoodcat> like i lost my old phone in vegas in june
[13:05] <mrgoodcat> stolen in a bar
[13:05] <mrgoodcat> :/
[13:05] <mrgoodcat> and i got this one
[13:05] <Scary_Guy> that blows, did you try device.android.com to find it?
[13:05] <mrgoodcat> and it had all my stuff back in like a handful of minutes
[13:05] <mrgoodcat> Scary_Guy: yea i tried
[13:06] <mrgoodcat> i suspect it's been wiped
[13:07] <Scary_Guy> well at least it was encrypted I'm guessing
[13:08] <mrgoodcat> yea
[13:08] <mrgoodcat> i could be wrong but i think all nexus 6's are encrypted from the factory
[13:08] <mrgoodcat> in any case, mine was
[13:09] <mrgoodcat> i wouldn't use a phone without encrypting
[13:09] <Scary_Guy> ideally not, but it wasn't always an out of the box thing with androids
[13:09] <Scary_Guy> I think it started to be a thing with M by defualt
[13:10] <Scary_Guy> default*
[13:10] <mrgoodcat> yea i can't really remember
[13:10] <mrgoodcat> my galaxy s5 wasn't ootb encrypted, but i turned it on right away
[13:10] <mrgoodcat> i can't remember when it became an option
[13:11] <mrgoodcat> looks like M made it mandatory
[13:12] <mrgoodcat> "for most new devices"
[13:12] <mrgoodcat> whatever that means
[13:12] <Scary_Guy> carriers still had the option of screwing over their customers I think
[13:12] <mrgoodcat> handset manufacturers i think
[13:12] <mrgoodcat> possibly carriers too i guess
[13:13] <Scary_Guy> or that, but usually it's the carriers who mess things up from my experience
[13:15] <mrgoodcat> good reason to switch to fi
[13:17] <Scary_Guy> meh, don't trust alphabet eitehr
[13:17] <Scary_Guy> either*
[14:46] <cmaloney> PostgreSQL 10 is released
[14:47] <rick_h> woot woot
[14:58] <jrwren> re: headphone jack. It occured to me that it is NOT just the jack. it is the DAC and amplifier which can exist in dongle instead of device, saving precious space for more battery
[15:02] <jrwren> https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/10/4/16425738/google-pixel-2-usb-c-headphone-dongles-20-replacement
[15:03] <jrwren> apple's is $9
[15:03] <rick_h> jrwren: yea
[15:04] <rick_h> jrwren: and google's is $20 :(
[15:04] <jrwren> lolz
[15:04] <rick_h> but google gives you one in the box
[15:04] <jrwren> I'm wrong about the DAC and AMP, because DUH... the speakers on the phone.
[15:04] <jrwren> apple gives you one in the box too.
[15:04] <rick_h> well but I know the adapter has a dac in it
[15:05] <rick_h> we'll see in 2 weeks
[15:05] <jrwren> you do? how do you know?
[15:05] <rick_h> figure out how it works. I think I'll just leave an adapter on my headphones and use BT for the most part
[15:05] <rick_h> jrwren: well I read that it had a DAC in it yesterday as I was researching this thing
[15:06] <jrwren> yup, exactly. the adapter thing is not a big deal.
[15:06] <jrwren> i know a year ago people said same thing re: apple  : http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/06/29/cirrus-logic-unveils-apple-authorized-lightning-headphone-development-kit
[15:06] <jrwren> but I'm still skeptical :)
[15:07] <rick_h> yea, I'm sure I'll get cranky, but i think only when I'm on a plane
[15:07] <rick_h> it's the only time I really have to use my noise canceling stuff
[16:12] <cmaloney> Apparently I'm a dinosaur for wanting to use corded headphones in our future
[16:12] <cmaloney> So be it
[16:13] <jrwren> no. i too will be using cords.
[16:13] <jrwren> HD25SP 4lyfe
[16:13] <cmaloney> I'll listen to my spinning shiny discs and corded headphones and you all can go to hell. :)
[16:13] <jrwren> I just replaced the damn wire on it.
[16:13] <jrwren> i friend just pointed out that bluetooth audio has its own compresion
[16:13] <cmaloney> \m/
[16:13] <cmaloney> Riiiiight!
[16:13] <jrwren> so when you listen to mp3 on BT it decompresses and recompresses
[16:13] <jrwren> which is equiv to transcoding.
[16:13] <jrwren> which strips bass from audio
[16:14] <jrwren> hence: no BT of real music listening.
[16:14] <cmaloney> Which is awesome if you don't give a shit about music
[16:14] <jrwren> BT is great for podcasts adn casual
[16:14] <jrwren> right.
[16:14] <cmaloney> Also: what happens if you're in a rental car?
[16:14] <cmaloney> Are you going to pair your phone with a foreign car?
[16:14] <cmaloney> and what if they only have an aux jack?
[16:14] <cmaloney> Fucking short sighed
[16:15] <cmaloney> sighted
[16:15] <jrwren> you USB in a rental car.
[16:15] <jrwren> works great.
[16:15] <cmaloney> Even better
[16:15] <cmaloney> hope it doesn't install something. :)
[16:16] <jrwren> I have paired BT in rental and found ZE?RO benefit of that over USB other than wireless
[16:16] <jrwren> and wireless sucks.
[16:16] <jrwren> install something.  lolz... android.
[16:16] <jrwren> I use secure apple products ;p
[16:16] <cmaloney> Hope someone licks your thunderbolt connector then
[16:16] <cmaloney> ;)
[16:21] <cmaloney> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gptW3In7QKs
[16:22] <cmaloney> Recorded in 1959 on 35MM film
[16:24] <jrwren> <3 Symphonie fantastique
[16:25] <cmaloney> https://www.stereophile.com/content/fine-art-mercury-living-presence-recordings
[16:28] <jrwren> I want samsung to make their own OS for their laptops. linux based, but REAL linux and open.  not evil spy closed google stuff..
[16:28] <jrwren> have it run teizen
[16:28] <cmaloney> I'm not sure I would trust Samsung not to install their own spyware
[16:28] <cmaloney> They're somewhere in the Lenovo bucket in my book
[17:28] <jrwren> i trust 'em more than I trust goog, fb, msft, amzn
[17:41] <brousch> https://meta.slashdot.org/story/17/10/03/2356229/20-years-of-stuff-that-matters
[18:19] <greg-g> the one nice thing about not using my dslr lately and just using my phone is my backup of my photos progresses faster through the days/months the closer to today it gets :)
[18:19] <greg-g> (backup to a remote host, that is)
[18:19] <cmaloney> Yeah


[02:08] <Rcck2> guys, hi, any idea about why a live pendrive doesn't work on persistent mode? i save a file but never reapears on reboot. I remember that with another computer and the same pendrive, the persistent mode was working, but with my actual pc doesnt,
[02:09] <Rcck2> does that makes any sense? has the PC something to do on this matter? some bios configuration maybe?
[02:18] <tomreyn> Rcck2: the same usb stick, with the same data on it, or different data?
[02:19] <tomreyn> my guess would be bios vs uefi booting, but i don't actually remember how persistence works in detail.
[02:35] <Rcck2> tomreyn yes same usb with same data
[02:36] <Rcck2> yes i think i have uefi in my actual notebook but can't remember what i have on the other one, i will have to retry again with the old computer at some moment
[02:49] <tomreyn> Rcck2: this tells you how you booted:   echo -n 'This system booted via: '; [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo UEFI || echo BIOS
[02:56] <Rcck2> let me copy this and, reboot and tell you back the response
[03:05] <Rcck2> tomreyn EUFI IS THE responseç
[03:09] <Rcck2> with my new computer with UEFI, no menu appears when i boot
[03:09] <Rcck2> when i try the old PC, with the same stick, a menu appears that allows me to select persistent mode
[03:10] <Rcck2> keyboard, etc
[03:10] <tomreyn> Rcck2: the idea was to compare the output of the command in both situations you're comparing. but i guess if the grub menu differs this is already telling that you're booting differently
[03:11] <Rcck2> i will tell you the result in a few seconds, it still booting
[03:11] <Rcck2> just to confirm,
[03:13] <tomreyn> So your question seems to be something along the lines of "How can I set up persistence when UEFI booting a Xubuntu [put xubuntu release version here] live ISO?"
[03:13] <Rcck2> yeah the old comptuer returns BIOS response
[03:14] <Rcck2> yeah that will be the question, how to be able to boot on persistence mode with EUFI, since i get no menu and nothing, it just boots
[03:14] <tomreyn> and your xubuntu release is?
[03:15] <Rcck2> last one
[03:15] <Rcck2> i just downloaded it
[03:15] <Rcck2> let me see
[03:15] <tomreyn> the last one hasn't been set yet, maybe you mean the latest one?
[03:15] <Rcck2> 20.10
[03:15] <Rcck2> yes
[03:17] <tomreyn> you could try with either mkusb or ventoy, those are my guesses
[03:17] <Rcck2> i used lili usb
[03:17] <Rcck2> to make the pendrive
[03:17] <Rcck2> mkusb is another program?
[03:17] <Rcck2> or a command
[03:18] <Rcck2> ok a program
[03:19] <Rcck2> however if the program is just for linxu i have a problem, since i have windows in the main computer,
[03:19] <Rcck2> well maybe from a virtual machine
[03:24] <tomreyn> yes, a VM should work. also, ventoy should work on both linux and windows. finally, there's also rufus for windows, may also be worth a try.
[03:25] <tomreyn> none of this is supported here
[04:17] <jphilips> reminder to everyone that today is ubuntu testing week, so please help us test the beta ISO for 21.04. https://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-21-04-testing-week/
[04:18] <jphilips> join us in the #ubuntu-quality IRC channel or the telegram group - https://t.me/XubuntuDevelopment
[06:22] <xu-help70w> bonjour peut on me dire comment une wel cam fonctionne sur xubuntu merci
[18:46] <xu-help67w> hello


[04:38] <StevenK> wallyworld_: 200!
[04:38] <wallyworld_> bugs?
[04:38] <StevenK> wallyworld_: http://webnumbr.com/launchpad-critical-bugs
[04:38] <wallyworld_> hooray. too bad that includes the whole project
[04:39] <StevenK> I might be dropping it to 199, just investigating
[04:40] <StevenK> Or not, given the output on neem
[04:55] <nigelb> Wait, weren't we at 400 at one point?
[04:57] <wallyworld_> yes, but we have been busy
[04:58] <StevenK> nigelb: Yah.
[04:58] <StevenK> nigelb: Purple is just that good.
[04:58] <nigelb> StevenK: Dang!
[05:00] <StevenK> nigelb: The graph tells the story
[05:02] <nigelb> StevenK: link me?
[05:03] <StevenK> nigelb: http://webnumbr.com/launchpad-critical-bugs
[05:03] <nigelb> the hell!?!
[05:08] <spm> nigelb: I wouldn't pay too much attention to the braggarts tbh; it was all easy low hanging fruit they picked off.
[05:08] <spm> deliberate marking of trivial bugs as critical, over time.
[05:08] <spm> and other assorted data juggling tricks
[05:08] <StevenK> Suuuure
[05:09]  * spm goes to greet StevenK @ the front door
[05:09] <StevenK> Haha
[05:47] <nigelb> haha
[08:13] <adeuring> good morning
[09:23] <czajkowski> morning
[09:26] <ajmitch> evening
[11:26] <rick_h_> morning LP peeps
[11:27] <czajkowski> rick_h_: hiya
[11:27] <czajkowski> rick_h_: all back to normal now ?
[11:28] <rick_h_> czajkowski: almost. When I got back wed night the wife went away thurs morning. She just got back last night
[11:28] <czajkowski> rick_h_: aww
[11:28] <rick_h_> so will finally get back to normal this week I hope
[11:29] <rick_h_> annual girls weekend kind of thing
[11:29] <czajkowski> nods
[15:34] <abentley> benji: Could you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~abentley/launchpad/info-type-adds-policy/+merge/132749 ?
[15:55] <benji> abentley: sure
[15:56] <abentley> benji: Thanks.
[20:22] <abentley> benji: Could you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~abentley/launchpad/no-proprietary-packagings/+merge/132960 ?
[20:23] <benji> abentley: sure
[20:23] <abentley> benji: Thanks.
[21:41] <bigjools> morning
[22:16] <mwhudson> bigjools: apparently
[22:19] <bigjools> mwhudson: haha :)
[22:20] <bigjools> mwhudson: as I saw in a tweet earlier, doomed to be awake at 4am in every timezone
[22:20] <lifeless> bigjools: o/
[22:20] <bigjools> howdy lifeless!
[22:20] <bigjools> lifeless: how's the new job?
[22:28] <lifeless> bigjools: pretty fantastic
[22:29] <bigjools> good to hear


[04:13] <kotux> good evening
[06:07] <bkerensa> mmm
[06:13] <godbyk> bkerensa: I spent some time this evening chatting with kotux and getting him to the point that he's downloaded the ubuntu-docs bzr repository.
[06:13] <bkerensa> excellent
[06:13] <godbyk> bkerensa: I suggested that starting points (since he was eager to get started) would be to review the existing documentation to find typos, grammatical errors, and bits that are out of date or incorrect.
[06:13] <bkerensa> great mentoring :)
[06:14] <bkerensa> godbyk: So I am staging wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/GettingStarted
[06:14] <bkerensa> when that has a solid outline we can add it to the menu
[06:14] <godbyk> bkerensa: I also suggested he could take a look at the slew of existing bug reports and pick away are some of the smaller ones he finds or to start a discussion thread on the mailing list if he wants to tackle something larger.
[06:14] <bkerensa> I also want to keep a list of our processes inside the ubuntu-docs repo somewhere in a text file
[06:15] <godbyk> Ah, great!
[06:15] <bkerensa> and also create a master todo list which we can update each cycle
[06:15] <bkerensa> so people have a list of work that needs doing
[06:15] <godbyk> That's a good idea, too.
[06:15] <bkerensa> yeah if he wants to triage bugs that would be helpful too
[06:15] <bkerensa> Im sure lots are invalid
[06:15] <godbyk> As I explained to kotux, we're pretty new to this game, so we need to try to get everything sorted out ourselves before we can be of help to others.
[06:15] <bkerensa> once that link gets updated the invalid bugs should be reduced
[06:15] <bkerensa> yeah
[06:17] <godbyk> Our documentation and processes aren't perfect in the manual project, but they might give you some ideas, too: http://ubuntu-manual.org/getinvolved
[06:18] <godbyk> For the manual project, we organized the processes based on various roles one might want to assume.
[06:18] <godbyk> So translators can find instructions and information relevant to their work.
[06:18] <godbyk> Editors, authors, etc. similarly.
[06:19] <godbyk> (Some of our information is in a style guide PDF <http://files.ubuntu-manual.org/style-guide.pdf>. It's not all listed on the website.)
[06:20] <bkerensa> cool
[06:21] <bkerensa> godbyk: you didnt send that e-mail yet right? If not lets wait till tomorrow or this weekend and include a doodle.com scheduler so we can setup a first meeting too
[06:21]  * bkerensa is going to go off to bed but will start working on his work items tomorrow I think
[06:21] <godbyk> Which email was that?
[06:22] <bkerensa> godbyk: the uds summary one?
[06:22] <godbyk> Yep. I already sent that one.
[06:22] <bkerensa> ah ok :)
[06:23] <godbyk> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2013-May/017299.html
[06:23] <bkerensa> well I will send a meeting one this weekend then
[06:23] <godbyk> I mentioned that we'd schedule a health-check meeting within the next month or so.
[06:23] <bkerensa> odd it didnt go to my Ubuntu label in Gmail
[06:23] <bkerensa> hehe
[06:23] <godbyk> Oh, sure, blame gmail! ;-)
[06:24] <bkerensa> that looks great
[06:24] <bkerensa> good work on that
[06:24] <godbyk> Thanks.
[06:24] <bkerensa> godbyk: so I checked and committters cant add committers so mdke cant add you
[06:24] <bkerensa> I would just ping pleia2 tomorrow since there has been no objections
[06:24] <godbyk> As I feared, though, our UDS session attracted a bit of attention (i.e., potential contributors wanting to help) that we're not quite yet ready for.  :)
[06:25] <bkerensa> and perhaps she or someone else on the CC can add you
[06:25] <bkerensa> godbyk: indeed
[06:25] <godbyk> Ah, okay. I'll check into tomorrow.
[06:25] <bkerensa> it means perhaps we need to work to get the getting started done sooner
[06:25] <bkerensa> :D
[06:25] <godbyk> Yes.
[06:25] <godbyk> I think our getting started docs need to get finished ASAP.
[06:26] <godbyk> Then we can distract our new contributors with fixing bugs and improving documentation while we sort out all the other background details. ;-)
[06:26] <godbyk> Matt said he wouldn't mind answering questions if we get stuck or whatnot, but that he's otherwise going to be quite busy with other work.
[06:27] <godbyk> So we do still have him as a source if we get completely stuck on something.
[11:44] <knome> is somebody who is taking care of the server guide administration side here?
[20:28] <ahoneybun> mhall119:
[20:34] <mhall119> ahoneybun: ?
[20:34] <ahoneybun> can you help me make a docbook?
[20:45] <ahoneybun> make the package I mean
[22:58] <godbyk> jbicha: Would you suggest that I fix typos in the raring branch or should that be frozen now?
[23:08] <bkerensa> woah jbicha returns
[23:08] <bkerensa> :D
[23:10] <godbyk> jbicha: I just fixed a bug and set the status to 'fix committed'. Should I attach the bug to a particular milestone so it's easy to find later when we release the 13.10 docs and want to mark the bug as 'fix released'?