[10:49] <Iv4nb> good morning people
[10:49] <Iv4nb> can somebody tell me How To PATH Java so I can start with compiling
[10:49] <Iv4nb> I have issue to do that on Ubuntu
[10:50] <Iv4nb> I installed everything , just PATH ... if
[10:55] <nthykier> Iv4nb: hi java is in PATH by default if you install a jvm via Ubuntu's repositories
[11:02] <Iv4nb> Yes , I just succeed to compile it ... I was in wrong folder /numb ...
[11:09] <Iv4nb> nthykier: can U see this http://pastie.org/830513
[11:11] <nthykier>  Iv4nb: you have to go up one folder and run java myfirstjavaprog.Main (Assuming your class is named Main and in the package "myfirstjavaprog")
[11:13] <Iv4nb> Hello world
[11:13] <Iv4nb> nthykier: Tnx a Lot !
[11:13] <Iv4nb> I guess Im ready to go learning now :)
[11:14] <nthykier> Iv4nb: you are welcome - by the way, for java coding questions you should checkout the #java channel instead as they know more about that
[11:17] <Iv4nb> ok tnx
[14:01] <Guest99615> help me !
[14:11] <Guest99615> install java last version ?
[14:18] <nthykier> Guest99615: install default-jre, default-jdk or default-jre-headless
[14:18] <nthykier> Guest99615: You most likely one the first, unless you are going to compile java programs in which case you want the second... the only reason for choosing the third would be if you know you are not going to run java programs with a GUI and you need to save space
[14:20] <Guest99615> now update to 16 to 18 java6?
[14:22] <nthykier> Guest99615: I suppose that depends on the vendor you need - for openjdk, I believe Ubuntu have 6b17-1.7 in their coming release (10.04) though I am not sure, since I don't use Ubuntu
[14:28] <Guest99615> 10x
[22:13] <persia> lifeless: Just out of curiosity, now that Ubuntu has 6.8, have you tried in-repo netbeans?
[22:22] <lifeless> persia: no
[22:23] <persia> I'd be curious how well it works for you, and I suspect Juli would be as well :)
[22:23] <persia> dogfooding and all that :)
[22:24] <lifeless> sure, problem is - that machine is running karmic; and its not my work machine : its my games machine
[22:24] <persia> heh.
[22:24] <persia> Nevermind then.
[22:38] <lifeless> and my laptop really doesn't have enough juice to do netbeans
[22:39] <persia> It does take a bit, unfortunately.


[15:29] <melodie> hello
[15:30] <melodie> I would like to have an Ubuntu devel's insight on the way the languages are provided at the boot of a live CD
[15:30] <melodie> or live ISO or live USB…
[15:31] <melodie> I am trying to put up a remix with Openbox standalone (Bento Openbox), and once my remix is working, the languages at start don't work right anymore. I have tried many things to try to find where the issue lies, in vain
[15:31] <melodie> once I choose French, only the two last lines of the boot stanzas are in French, the first other lines are in English.
[15:32] <melodie> There is another thing too, the Desktop environment is using Openbox, PCManFM, and Lxpanel. (Sounds like Lubuntu but it's not Lubuntu)
[15:34] <melodie> well, the install icon on the desktop prompts a windows to choose wether it should be executed, shown as a file, executed in a terminal or cancel. Also here I was unable to find what is going wrong. Rights and permissions are the same as in the official and community versions, and if I add a chmod a+x on the file it does not change the behavior (even when doing so in /usr/share/applications before rebuilding)
[15:35] <melodie> I'll stay a while, if someone has clues for one or the other of my 2 issues to submit, I will be most happy
[15:35] <melodie> if someone wants to give it a try it's "Bento Openbox Core" here: https://downloads.linuxvillage.org (less than 800MB)
[18:20] <melodie> ok, I'll come back soon.
[18:20] <melodie> during the week might be better


[11:44] <cmaloney> morning
[12:05] <rick_h> morning
[14:17] <rick_h> thought of cmaloney https://youtu.be/KeBZD9mUgLI?t=109 :)
[14:18] <cmaloney> rick_h: Whatever makes the team happy. :)
[14:18] <cmaloney> Go Team!
[14:19] <cmaloney> (I will say if I were to pick a sport to obsess over it would be hockey, though)
[14:20] <cmaloney> partly because I've played floor hockey, partly because I've seen really good hockey games...
[14:20] <cmaloney> ... and partly because JoDee gets REALLY angry at the TV when hockey is on
[14:20] <cmaloney> (that's her French-Canadian grandpa's doing)
[19:06] <goat-g> yay, my offlineimap run finally finished! no more using the gmail interface for my work account (personal account was seeded with an old backup)
[19:21] <cmaloney> nice
[19:23] <goat-g> (also, sorry, the joke at Wikimania this year is goats instead of cats (as the new goto meme), so there's a bit of a goat takeover)
[19:23] <cmaloney> heh


[12:52] <jeff25> heh
[12:53] <jeff25> I just made fluxbox-0.9.13.deb for hoary
[12:53] <jeff25> with no bugs!
[12:54] <jeff25> it's fast as hell too
[01:11] <herve> nighty night!
[01:31] <\sh> re
[02:13] <trulux> ajmitch: really?
[02:14] <ajmitch> ?
[02:14] <trulux> ajmitch: hmmm, It sounds like today is the best day to fsck me or something alike! :D
[02:14] <trulux> ajmitch: pappy-, tseng, you, any one wants more fun?
[02:14] <tseng> no, I dont
[02:14] <trulux> ajmitch: last thing before I go for the rest of time:
[02:14] <tseng> I want to be able to say what I want in a +s channel and have it stay there
[02:15] <ajmitch> why drag -motu into it now?
[02:15] <trulux> once a time, a smart man said that those who were limited in certain conditions, and suffered the feeling of such limitations, even if they were enemies, would get tovgether against a growing entity that made their limitations even more clear and notable
[02:16] <trulux> and they killed the man who had the empire in his hands. again, humans do the same mistake again
[02:16] <trulux> now I must have real work done
[02:16] <trulux> have a nice day you all
[02:16] <ajmitch> good bye
[02:17] <trulux> ajmitch: yes, just taking my marbles
[02:17] <trulux> looks like I've been messing around with the wrong people ;)
[02:17] <trulux> I need French people, really
[02:17] <trulux> they keep close to the poit and not suck as others do when real things are going on
[02:18] <trulux> lah
[02:21] <\sh> g'night
[02:27] <trulux> \sh: I'll keep working a few kenrel stuff here and coding poc for my LSM 2005 speech, found a friendly and very skillful French guy to work with for it
[02:28] <trulux> ajmitch: let's keep personal stuff out of the way. how's it going anyways?
[02:28] <trulux> we need the UI stuff done anyways
[02:30] <trulux> \sh: looks like I will end giving a fuck to all the distro related stuff, and keep my upstream work...
[02:30] <trulux> heh
[02:45] <ajmitch> hmm, he didn't even give me a chance to reply :)
[06:56] <mgalvin> hi all
[06:57] <mgalvin> what might be a good/the best way to go about packaging an app the is already complied
[06:58] <mgalvin> i packaged the nvidia-cg-toolkit which comes already in bin form
[06:59] <mgalvin> i created a deb from the rpm for now, but I am curious about what the recommended method would be to package the deb the right way from the tarball
[07:08] <mgalvin> also in reg lib packages, should the pkg-config files go in the lib or in lib-dev?
[09:41] <ogra> http://www.kofler.cc/ubuntu.html
[09:41] <ogra> !!!!!
[09:43] <crimmy> heh
[09:44] <ogra> kofler is the best german linux author ever.... its just impressing
[09:44] <crimmy> :)
[10:07] <siretart> great! :)
[10:07] <siretart> morning, btw ;)
[11:30] <siretart> how to prevent pbuilder to cleanup the buildplace after failiure?
[11:31] <\sh> --preserve-buildplace
[11:32] <siretart> thnx
[11:35] <siretart> huh? cp: cannot create regular file `/var/cache/pbuilder/build//etc/hosts': No such file or directory
[11:36] <siretart> somethings very weird going on here
[11:36] <siretart>               It will clean up the build place on failure, or after a successful build.
[11:37] <siretart> so not that what I wanted..
[11:44] <\sh> hmmm.
[11:46] <siretart> experimenting with hooks now
[11:49] <siretart> hooks worked, I forgot libxinerama-dev :(
[12:01] <\sh> siretart: how?
[12:06] <siretart> \sh: installed a hook with "sleep 600"
[12:08] <\sh> ah :) understand :)
[12:09] <\sh> updating my new packages to breezy
[12:11] <DanielN> morning guys :)
[12:17] <siretart> hi DanielN
[12:19] <\sh> hey DanielN
[12:48] <tseng> hi
[12:49] <\sh> moins tseng
[12:50] <\sh> argl...daniel removed my voice on -devel
[12:50] <tseng> he did warn you.
[12:50] <\sh> tseng: i told him it was the last thing i said :) and now its over..period.
[12:51] <tseng> eh.
[12:51] <\sh> and I'm not blaiming him ... it was my fault..
[01:02] <tseng> hi ogra!
[01:03] <ogra> hey tseng
[01:03] <tseng> we have __thread :)
[01:03] <ogra> yeah !!!
[01:05] <\sh> moins ogra
[01:05] <ogra> hi \sh
[01:05] <tseng> " Fix db2 dllmap" hmm i dont remember what this is
[01:05] <ogra> heh, moins ? i'm up since 7
[01:06] <ogra> tseng, at least its fixed ;)
[01:06] <tseng> its not afaik
[01:06] <tseng>          <dllmap dll="db2cli" target="libdb2_36.so"/>
[01:06] <\sh> ogra: i was up at 10;)
[01:07] <ogra> lazy guy
[01:07] <ogra> :)
[01:07] <\sh> ogra: brain reset yesterday :) and new nifty toys :)
[01:07] <tseng> we dont seem to depend on libdb2
[01:08] <\sh> lemme build this kvim replacement named yzis
[01:08] <tseng>  /lib/libdb.so.3 ugh wth is this
[01:09] <tseng> that sounds fun
[01:09] <tseng> it would wizz past me though, i am not an OOP guy at all
[01:10] <ogra> i'm not really intrested... but the other things are even less tempting....
[01:11] <\sh> ogra: please go and inform me later about the results...i think this is a much nicer attempt then gtkmm ;)
[01:16] <\sh> ok..njam is now ready to publish :)
[01:17] <ogra> \sh, i'm not really intrested in mono programming, only in packaging, i'll stay with python ;)
[01:18] <ogra> but its probably helpful to know some gtk# for fixing bugs in the packages, so i'll go
[01:20] <tseng> BenM and I are going to fix *every* gtk# bug
[01:20] <tseng> :P
[01:20] <\sh> siretart: ping
[01:21] <ogra> tseng, even the ones in the software ?
[01:21] <tseng> heh.
[01:22] <tseng> we will start by submitting dllmap bugs upstream
[01:22] <tseng> those are the most annoying to packagers
[01:22] <ogra> ok, i ,need to find some lunch to survive the day.... i'll be here later again....
[01:22] <tseng> cya
[01:22] <ogra> bye
[01:25] <tseng> holy crap i can search on malone
[01:25] <tseng> :D
[01:28] <Amaranth> miguel keynote in 30 minutes
[01:28] <Amaranth> woo
[01:28] <tseng> hm i should try the fluendo stream
[01:29] <Amaranth> that's what i'm on
[01:29] <Amaranth> like i could actually afford to go, pfft
[01:29] <tseng> what room?
[01:29] <tseng> oh
[01:29] <tseng> duh.
[01:29] <Amaranth> the one that says it's for keynotes ;)
[01:29] <tseng> wth
[01:29] <tseng> how do i open the stream in totem?
[01:29] <Amaranth> it says how
[01:29] <tseng> i dont want a bunch of java/activex crap
[01:30] <tseng> ah oh that page
[01:30] <Amaranth> you have to jump through hoops
[01:30] <Amaranth> http://stream.fluendo.com:8900/
[01:30] <tseng> totem plugin ++
[01:30] <Amaranth> had that, trashed my prolile
[01:30] <Amaranth> what's the symlink again?
[01:30] <tseng> the what?
[01:31] <Amaranth> to symlink the totem plugin into ~/.mozilla/plugins so it works
[01:32] <tseng> i did no such thing.
[01:34] <Nafallo> kewl
[01:34] <Nafallo> works in totem-xine :-)
[01:38] <herve> yo!
[01:38] <tseng> hi.
[01:38] <Nafallo> hi herve :-)
[01:43] <Amaranth> Nafallo: works in xine, mplayer, vlc, gstreamer, probably even helix
[01:43] <Amaranth> of course, helix player and real player are worthless now that fluendo got the rights to ship a real plugin
[01:45] <Nafallo> Amaranth: oki. what room is that btw?
[01:45] <Amaranth> Nafallo: the one that says it's for keynotes ;)
[01:46] <Nafallo> Amaranth: hehe, k
[01:49] <\sh> hey herve
[01:55] <Amaranth> it's time
[01:59] <herve> doko: it seems you found with python2.3 lost readline features?
[02:01] <tseng> i saw ogra and seb on the feed :)
[02:04] <tseng> Amaranth: is he talking?
[02:04] <tseng> i have no sound yet
[02:04] <Amaranth> no
[02:04] <Amaranth> he blew into the mic once or twice
[02:04] <Amaranth> i'm not there, i'm watching the stream
[02:04] <tseng> well so am I
[02:04] <Amaranth> yeah
[02:04] <Amaranth> you can tell it's on because he blew lightly into the mic once or twice
[02:04] <Amaranth> probably taking deep breaths :D
[02:05] <herve> what are you talking about?
[02:05] <Amaranth> http://stream.fluendo.com:8900/
[02:06] <Amaranth> miguel's guadec keynote
[02:06] <Amaranth> starting any minute now
[02:06] <tseng> bwar
[02:27] <herve> "matthew's ubuntu review"
[02:27] <herve> that document is interesting
[02:29] <tseng> "interesting" is loose there
[02:30] <tseng> f-spot!
[02:31] <herve> ;-)
[02:37] <tseng> "of course i only listed the mono ones, because i want to indoctrineate you"
[02:37] <tseng> man
[02:39] <herve> well, I'm installing f-spot at that time ;-)
[02:45] <Treenaks> <3 tv-out
[02:51] <herve> use ubuntu ;-)
[02:51] <tseng> yes!
[02:51] <Nafallo> :-D
[02:52] <herve> well, "buy nokia", but they also support software patents...
[02:52] <tseng> if you are a company like nokia in the US
[02:52] <tseng> you have to
[02:52] <tseng> to protect yourself from ibm and microsoft patents
[02:52] <tseng> and sun
[02:53] <herve> I mean in the EU
[02:53] <herve> they are lobbying
[02:57] <Nafallo> lol. I shouldn't show you this: but I do it live for the whole internet ;-).
[02:57] <herve> we're only 1000, no big deal ;-)
[02:57] <tseng> it will be for download later, at least I hope so
[02:58] <tseng> so I can blog the best lines
[02:58] <Nafallo> hehe
[02:58] <tseng> "dont buy novell, just use ubuntu"
[02:58] <herve> what novell os is based on?
[02:58] <tseng> suse
[02:58] <tseng> well, novell linux desktop
[02:59] <tseng> novell netware is its own
[02:59] <herve> of course they bought suse;..
[02:59] <tseng> was that mark?
[02:59] <Amaranth> seb or orga just asked that question?
[03:00] <Amaranth> oh, or mark
[03:00] <tseng> no seb and ogra are in the back
[03:00] <tseng> he was looking in the other direction from them
[03:01] <Amaranth> any other canonical guys there?
[03:01] <Nafallo> damn is he right about that :-). tetris rocks ;-).
[03:02] <herve> wow, I got several seconds of lag!
[03:02] <Amaranth> i was dropping audio for awhile
[03:02] <tseng> i dropped the whole thing
[03:02] <tseng> im off for a bit
[03:02] <Nafallo> turn off all downloads/uploads and it works for me ;-)
[03:03] <herve> yes, I dropped mono install
[03:05] <Nafallo> yay! lot's of ubuntupushing ;-)
[03:06] <herve> we must admit ubuntu has a rocking mono team!
[03:06] <Nafallo> indeed :-)
[03:06] <Nafallo> hmm, gst or selinux :-P
[03:07] <herve> all those geeks carrying their laptop :-)
[03:07] <Amaranth> i chose gst, but it seems to suck
[03:07] <Amaranth> :P
[03:08] <Amaranth> you can't see the slides
[03:08] <Amaranth> ah, they fixed it
[03:08] <Nafallo> hmm, the cam @ selinux sucks ;-)
[03:08] <Nafallo> the sound even...
[03:09] <Amaranth> the gst one was too bright
[03:09] <Amaranth> "people are still coming in"
[03:09] <Amaranth> hehe, he started right on time, the keynote ran over
[03:12] <Amaranth> is the selinux one very exciting?
[03:12] <Nafallo> not yet ;-)
[03:12] <Amaranth> Kamion is doing it, right?
[03:13] <Nafallo> ehm, no? Colin Walters
[03:13] <Amaranth> oh, wrong last name ;)
[03:13] <Treenaks> Colin Walters != Colin Watson
[03:13] <Amaranth> i just glanced at the page on my way to the gstreamer link
[03:13] <\sh> hmmm..
[03:14] <\sh> anyone has experience with debarchiver?
[03:17] <herve> I certainly hope sessions will be available for downloa
[03:17] <Amaranth> two hours until the next session i want to see
[03:18] <Amaranth> tomorrow looks exciting
[03:18] <Nafallo> yay! Mark :-)
[03:19] <Amaranth> yeah, and project topaz
[03:19] <herve> where did you find the stream url?
[03:19] <Amaranth> shit, mark's keynote is 4:30am here
[03:19] <Nafallo> http://stream.fluendo.com/guadec/
[03:20] <herve> yeah but how did you find it? :)-
[03:21] <Nafallo> herve: click on "See the stream (autodetection)" :-)
[03:21] <herve> I mean, from the guadec website
[03:21] <herve> I couldn't find any link to the streams
[03:21] <Amaranth> oh
[03:21] <Amaranth> thomas gave it to me
[03:22] <Amaranth> thomasvs
[03:22] <herve> hmm... a big issue of their site then
[03:26] <herve> yo ogra!
[03:26] <tseng> hi ogra !
[03:26] <ogra> hey guys
[03:26] <tseng> ogra: you and seb were in the camera for awhile :)
[03:26] <tseng> before the talk started
[03:27] <ogra> yep, dholbach told us :)
[03:27] <tseng> :D
[03:27] <ogra> the mono talk was quite intresting
[03:27] <tseng> miguel is the best
[03:27] <ogra> he mentioned the mono/ubuntu live cd quite often ;)
[03:28] <tseng> oh a different talk?
[03:28] <ogra> (with always mentioning that its ubuntu based)
[03:28] <ogra> nope, the same
[03:28] <tseng> hm i turned it off too soon I guess
[03:28] <ogra> in the end he only talked about mono...
[03:28] <tseng> i liked when someone asked about fedora
[03:28] <ogra> hehe
[03:28] <tseng> and he said, just use ubuntu
[03:28] <tseng> :) we rock.
[03:28] <ogra> YOU rock ;)
[03:28] <Amaranth> http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg-0.7.png <--does it seem obvious to you guys what everything here means?
[03:29] <Amaranth> tseng: any updates on getting mono into main?
[03:29] <tseng> i dunno no one updated the seeds that I saw
[03:29] <ogra> Amaranth, its already in
[03:29] <tseng> but i am falling behind on breezy-changes
[03:29] <ogra> just waiting that dbus gets rebuilt
[03:29] <tseng> there is too much mail
[03:29] <Amaranth> ok, the dbus thing is what i was getting at
[03:30] <ogra> just jump over the auto updater mails teng
[03:31] <tseng>
[03:31] <tseng> Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe mono 1.1.7-0ubuntu5 [1182B]
[03:31] <Amaranth> yeah...
[03:33] <siretart> \sh: pong
[03:34] <\sh> siretart: hey
[03:35] <\sh> siretart: check njam :) its on ubuntu.linux-server.org I moved html/ now to usr/share/doc/njam
[03:35] <\sh> I want to setup an package archive with debarchiver...and I want the packages sorted just like ubuntu is doing is...so breezy/main breezy/universe etc,
[03:35] <\sh> but I don
[03:36] <\sh> 't find any howto for it...debarchiver is running :) but not as i want
[03:36] <herve> Amaranth, about your picture, it looks fine, but I'll place the "new" buttons where appropriate
[03:36] <herve> ie, "new menu" below the menu panel
[03:37] <Amaranth> well, maybe i should show another screenshot :)
[03:37] <herve> tseng, what about using gmane news or rss features for breezy-changes?
[03:38] <herve> \sh, I can help you setting up a "dist+pool" archive
[03:38] <herve> but I'm not sure what you need
[03:39] <Amaranth> herve: http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg-0.7-2.png
[03:39] <Amaranth> that's why i didn't put the buttons like that
[03:39] <herve> ha ok
[03:39] <herve> I see your point
[03:39] <\sh> herve: something like ubuntu has...the sorting should be also dist/main dist/universe etc.
[03:40] <herve> but I insist on mine, menus still are on the left :)-
[03:40] <Amaranth> they're on the right too
[03:40] <herve> \sh, http://deb.oursours.net/ubuntu
[03:40] <herve> Amaranth, it's a special case
[03:40] <\sh> herve: thats it
[03:40] <herve> \sh, well, I only have universe here, but could be
[03:41] <\sh> herve: debarchiver or some other software?
[03:41] <herve> by hand :-)
[03:41] <herve> ho no
[03:41] <herve> apt-ftparchive
[03:41] <herve> or some name like thayt
[03:42] <herve> you'll find all the scripts in the ubuntu directoryu
[03:42] <\sh> i wonder how the sorting is done from upload to apt-gettable archives...what is the key to decide which package belongs to main which to universe etc.
[03:42] <herve> haaa, sorry
[03:43] <herve> there are some .override files in the ubuntu archive, afair
[03:45] <Nafallo> my wlandriver causes lag :-/
[03:46] <Amaranth> herve: http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg-0.7-3.png
[03:46] <Amaranth> like that?
[03:47] <herve> Amaranth, yes
[03:47] <Amaranth> ok, now that vs http://www.realistanew.com/images/smeg/smeg-0.6.png
[03:47] <Amaranth> which looks better?
[03:47] <\sh> herve: lemme check apt-ftparchive
[03:48] <\sh> debarchiver can work with it
[03:48] <herve> Amaranth, you removed the special of menus at the place of entries, which I liked
[03:48] <herve> like
[03:48] <Amaranth> ?
[03:49] <Amaranth> 0.6 is the last version, trying to make sure i'm actually making something better here :)
[03:49] <herve> and you're developping 0.7?
[03:50] <Amaranth> yeah
[03:50] <herve> ok, I understand why the separator button appear :)-
[03:50] <Amaranth> which is better: 0.7 or 0.6?
[03:50] <Amaranth> looks, not features
[03:51] <Amaranth> i'm hoping to be able to consider this release feature complete, so i need to get it right
[03:51] <herve> hmm...
[03:52] <Amaranth> personally i hated the visible column in the menus
[03:52] <Amaranth> but it's slightly more work to show/hide a menu now
[03:52] <herve> yes, 0.7 has a better look
[03:52] <Amaranth> actually, it doesn't matter, i have to go with 0.7 :P
[03:52] <siretart> \sh: i had a look at your package. I assume you are aware about the lintian warnings, yes?
[03:52] <Amaranth> otherwise separators and moving things around won't be possible at all
[03:52] <Amaranth> i'm going to be the first to nail calum's sketch of what a menu editor should look like
[03:53] <siretart> \sh: besides the lintian warnings and errors, I think the package is fine
[03:53] <herve> Amaranth, hooray for 0.7!
[03:56] <\sh> siretart: yeah...it will be fixed just now
[04:36] <siretart> \sh: did you make any progress at arkrpg?
[04:37] <\sh> siretart: no :(
[04:37] <siretart> \sh: I looked at it, but I think its really weird. Types from included source are "unknown" at several places. Placing forward declaration is a workaround at some places, but not everywhere
[04:37] <\sh> in the end i will rewrite this bloody rules fule
[04:37] <\sh> siretart: the problem is more, that configure is totally broken
[04:37] <\sh> the tests for xlibs and xincludes are failing
[04:37] <siretart> \sh: I think there goes something really wrong with the preprocessor
[04:38] <\sh> and this I can only overcome with autoreconf
[04:38] <\sh> but i don't know where to inject this..tried configure target doesn
[04:38] <siretart> hm. really strange. but it is also heavily patched by the DD
[04:38] <\sh> 't work...
[04:38] <\sh> i tried update-config hook
[04:38] <\sh> no luck either
[04:39] <siretart> really really weird package..
[04:42] <tseng> herzi: i tried gmane rss for ubuntu-security and it seemed a little wonky
[04:42] <trulux> tseng: where's mpt?
[04:42] <tseng> trulux: miguel was talking about his work at guadec
[04:42] <tseng> trulux: i very rarely see mpt on irc.
[04:42] <ogra> tseng, whats the rl for the livestream ?
[04:43] <ogra> url even
[04:43] <tseng> one sec
[04:43] <tseng> its on planet gnome
[04:43] <trulux> tseng: mpt != Miguel, I mean the usability master
[04:43] <tseng> thats waht I said
[04:43] <tseng> miguel was talking about the mpt usability study I mean
[04:43] <ogra> tseng, i missed the gtk# talk in favor of a long chat with andrew towbridge ;)
[04:43] <tseng> ogra: not john trowbridge?
[04:44] <ogra> err, yes
[04:44] <tseng> nice :)
[04:44] <trulux> tseng: BTW, I feel cool enough to talk now (/query, even phone) about what happened yesterday, but I don't expect a lot to get solved regarding the other folks
[04:44] <ogra> i'm bad at names ;)
[04:44] <tseng> trulux: i was just miffed that you went around my friends to work on hardened-gentoo, and I flamed you
[04:45] <tseng> trulux: i wish it could have stayed in a private place, but its over now
[04:48] <tseng> hm who has mono 1.1.7-0ubuntu5 and muine?
[04:50] <tseng> ogra: anything interesting come up?
[04:50] <tseng> ogra: i like trow
[04:50] <ogra> yep, he's nice
[04:50] <ogra> they'll get amd64 boxen eventually
[04:52] <ogra> and he told me that they use ubuntu internally quite often *g*
[04:53] <tseng> yep
[04:53] <tseng> thats why they all bug me so much about the packaging :P
[04:53] <tseng> they have been building stuff from svn :(
[04:53] <ogra> yep
[04:53] <tseng> there will be a party at novell when breezy is released for sure :)
[04:53] <ogra> but i guess he wouldnt say that officially :)
[04:54] <ogra> the mono live CD isnt officially by novell... its just a subproject :/
[04:57] <tseng> it wasnt done by anyone at novell
[04:58] <trulux> tseng: your friends? I just said true and strong facts over your fascist lead.  Keep that in mind.
[04:58] <tseng> trulux: noted, thanks.
[04:59] <ogra> trulux, may i remind you of the code of conduct please ?
[04:59] <trulux> tseng: now, I would like to go back to our work, that thing once a time we wanted to do together
[04:59] <tseng> happy coding
[04:59] <trulux> ogra: sorry if it sounds stupid, but, that one I sent signed by hand in a FAX to Mako?
[05:00] <trulux> ogra: *sigh*
[05:00] <ogra> trulux, faschist asshole isnt appropriate wording for an ubuntu channel, no matter in which context if you titel someone wih it
[05:01] <ogra> so please keep it friendly in here or we have to do something against it.... which i wouldnt like...
[05:01] <trulux> ogra: sorry, I'm neither politically correct or respectful to those who aren't with me
[05:02] <trulux> ogra: please, just a thing, I will keep closer to the CC, but don't do that. just do it if you are going to feel proud
[05:02] <ogra> trulux, i dont know whats going on between tseng and you currently (didnt follow ubuntu-hardened) but please keep it outside of this channel
[05:02] <trulux> ogra: he's not even in -hardened. I even wonder what he wants really
[05:03] <trulux> ogra: it's slightly related to Ubuntu, as tseng said names of other people
[05:03] <ogra> trulux, no idea, but watch your wording please, thats all...
[05:04] <trulux> ogra: sure, if you mean that I can say fascist with other words, then great. no willing to disturb around
[05:06] <trulux> ajmitch: ping
[05:08] <herve> just seen gnomevfs-mount, seems nice
[05:09] <tseng> herve: something other than drivemount_applet?
[05:10] <herve> you can mount http://somewebsite/ as an example
[05:13] <ogra> trulux, please keep this wording completely out of here... i'm german, i react pretty sensitive to this word !! i wouldnt like to ban you or anyone  from here
[05:19] <trulux> ogra: I'm Spanish, my country has sufferred fascism for more than 30 years of continuous abuse, a Civil war which dividided our society in two parts, and now, in nowdays, shiny-sucking-great-world, fascism is getting all over the place again in form of politicakly-correct jerks, business men and globalizing morons.
[05:20] <Nafallo> anyone else have problems with the guadec streams? they buffer and loose sound all the time.
[05:20] <trulux> I react pretty sensitive to this SHIT, 'cos members of my family gave their life and beliefs to make this a better country
[05:20] <tseng> Nafallo: yep its a bit choppy in spots
[05:20] <trulux> ogra: in other words, I don't know you, but I'm sure I have an huge amount of facts to throw over that statement
[05:21] <trulux> ogra: and more important, nevern. never try to let me think/believe that I can't fascist in a channel which Free Software development takes place
[05:22] <trulux> ogra: If you put atenttion, I get hard once you get hard against me, I get closer to be upset once you try to say you can ban and close my mouth, and I get much more decent and worthy tosay what I'm saying when you and others try to abuse of such facts
[05:22] <trulux> just that
[05:23] <trulux> I'm here willing help, don't make me willing to blow you up
[05:23] <ogra> please just stop it
[05:23] <trulux> ogra: your choice now, I've taken alrady the decision
[05:26] <siretart> please, everyone. stop it. start /ignoring. This channel is about improving a linux distribution for humans
[05:26] <siretart> this discussion is not helping anyone
[05:26] <tseng> wb mgalvin
[05:27] <mgalvin> hi
[05:27] <\sh> siretart: i'm having a closer look to debian dak :) (katie) :)
[05:27] <trulux> siretart: thanks for the advice, we're humans (and biased by meaning), yup.
[05:27] <trulux> ;)
[05:27] <\sh> siretart: it should help you to get your project running
[05:27] <trulux> ogra: Already feeling the power?
[05:27] <ogra> please just stop it
[05:28] <trulux> ogra: sure
[05:28] <ogra> fine
[05:28] <siretart> \sh: ah great. the problem is, right now I havn't time to discuss this.
[05:29] <siretart> \sh: lets discuss this later the week, I'll try to write something done in the wiki or at least as email to have something to discuss
[05:29] <trulux> ogra: do you anything about pitti? is he enjoying the weekend?
[05:30] <ogra> sure
[05:30] <trulux> ogra: where can I find the url to the current breezy 2.6.12 sources (tarball)?
[05:30] <ogra> he doesnt work on sundays
[05:30] <\sh> siretart: yeah...its quite a huge package full of python magic ;)
[05:30] <ogra> no idea, cant you take the source pkg ?
[05:32] <\sh> *grmpf*
[05:32] <\sh> could anyone ask on -devel if anyone is there to help with katie?
[05:33] <ogra> \sh, try to ping elmo
[05:33] <siretart> \sh: I'm not really sure if a full blown dak is really needed. I think that a mini-dinstall could suffice
[05:33] <siretart> \sh: I think mentors.debian.net is running mini-dinstall with hooks, too
[05:35] <trulux> ogra: ok, will do. it's just that I'm on Hoary riught now
[05:35] <tseng> you can just grab the sources off packages.ubuntu.com
[05:35] <siretart> trulux: look at http://packages.ubuntu.com/linux-source-2.6.12 there you can download the source package
[05:36] <\sh> siretart: lets check it out .)
[05:36] <trulux> siretart: many thanks, rock :)
[05:45] <siretart> gotta leave. cu tomorrow!
[05:45] <Nafallo> siretart: see you :-)
[05:46] <mgalvin> what might be the best way to package pre-built binaries, i made a deb of the nvidia-cg-toolkit from the rpm but would like to create a proper deb, does anyone know of maybe a good example package
[05:51] <herve> pre-built binaries? seems like non free software too me :-)
[05:51] <mgalvin> yea, it not, its nvidias cg compiler an runtime, no source from them :-/
[05:53] <herve> so I guess it means "copying" the binary in the usr/bin directory of the tree?
[05:53] <mgalvin> correct
[05:56] <mgalvin> I also have the cegui package built, and up on the wiki as needs review
[05:58] <herve> I wish I had so much time
[05:59] <mgalvin> i was up late last night ;)
[06:01] <mgalvin> i am having some fun learning all this stuff, and been looking at other packages getting a feel for how things are done
[06:01] <herve> that's how I do too
[06:01] <herve> that and asking of course :)-
[06:20] <ogra> bye.... dinner time....
[07:01] <hondje> Hi guys. Are there any official ubuntu cflags I should use when making a package?
[07:03] <\sh> hondje: the build tools will detect them selfs from deb configuration
[07:03] <hondje> ah, voodoo :)
[07:11] <herve> cflags?
[07:11] <herve> I'm not sure what it is, but the policy said something about -fPIC or something
[07:20] <trulux> herve: CFLAGS set the specific compiler options for the object code being compiled and later linked to the final binary using the LDFLAGS
[07:21] <trulux> herve: -fPIC is needed in certain architectures to make libraries working, thus, if there's conflict with it, you must set -fPIC only for LDFLAGS
[07:21] <DanielN> \sh: thanks for your great local apt-repo howto, found on your wiki-page. it's nice!
[07:21] <trulux> hence, only the libraries will be PIC
[07:21] <trulux> herve: ;)
[07:24] <herve> yeah, yeah... like I knew the policy by heart :)-
[07:24] <herve> but thanks trulux for the reminder
[07:25] <herve> pic for libs because libs are picky ;)-
[07:25] <herve> and herve will coordinate his fingers some day...
[07:27] <herve> wow, I don't if the french people will make the eu explode overnight
[07:27] <herve> but we're already 2/3 to have voted, this has not be seen for decads
[07:28] <herve> decades
[07:28] <herve> some even say 3/4
[07:28] <herve> and I read even more
[07:29] <trulux> herve: we must thank many things to French people, one of them that Bordeaux pretty nice girls
[07:30] <herve> I never went to bordeaux, but you should meet lyon one :)-
[07:30] <herve> ones
[07:30] <trulux> I'll do during the LSM 2005
[07:30] <trulux> I'll be the little, younger puppet in the show, hopefully
[07:31] <trulux> I will try to look less wicked and perverted, and you'll see how them come around me ;)
[07:31] <herve> hmm the lsm will occur in dijon
[07:31] <herve> that reminds me I should organize myself for it
[07:31] <trulux> herve: I will need to get transport from Lyon to Dijon
[07:32] <trulux> herve: I hope to meet with you and other guys, Gentoo French conspiration will be there
[07:32] <herve> hehe
[07:32] <trulux> kang (one of the RSBAC guys).... long list
[07:32] <herve> why do I see french and conspiration in the same sentence? ;-)
[07:32] <herve> but I look forward to meeting you (and others?)
[07:32] <trulux> herve: sure ;D
[07:33] <trulux> herve: I hope to meet another guy there that could even help with the talk, but we need to organize it together
[07:33] <herve> right, you make a talk here
[07:33] <trulux> herve: I hope that Lyon / Bordeaux girls to be *not* a myth
[07:33] <trulux> yes
[07:34] <herve> hehe
[07:34] <trulux> hope to find there the typical guy who wants to make "difficult questions" 'cos his talk wasn't accepted
[07:35] <trulux> I always like those ones
[07:35] <herve> like "I could have done better" ?
[07:36] <trulux> herve: no, I mean the guy that tries to make you feeling nervous. It uses to happen when I appear, first they laugh at me, after the speech they shut up
[07:37] <trulux> herve: that's the funny part, when I ask where's the conference room
[07:37] <trulux> "Hahaha, we dunno" "OK, thanks anyways, we'll see later"
[07:37] <trulux> ;D
[07:38] <trulux> I hope to get cheap plane tickets
[07:38] <trulux> at least the funding part seems to be solved, I think I will sleep in the university
[07:38] <trulux> herve: I will keep a good lock with me ;P
[07:38] <herve> ??
[07:40] <trulux> herve: the university has a students building as most do, to let foreign ones to sleep there
[07:40] <trulux> herve: and the like
[07:43] <herve> hmm... I have not thought about the comodity part
[07:43] <herve> I know someone at dijon
[07:43] <herve> but not necessarly feasible
[07:45] <trulux> herve: don't worry, I will manage it
[07:45] <trulux> herve: btw, I forgot how to solve these GPG missing sec. ring errors on apt-get update
[07:46] <trulux> herve: secring.gpg on my /etc/apt right?
[07:46] <herve> hmm?
[07:47] <herve> mine is empty
[07:50] <trulux> W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: Couldn't access keyring: No such file or directory
[07:50] <trulux> W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release: Couldn't access keyring: No such file or directory
[07:50] <trulux> W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates Release: Couldn't access keyring: No such file or directory
[07:50] <trulux> lah, apt-key update
[07:50] <trulux> damn my ignorance
[07:51] <trulux> solved
[07:51] <trulux> ;)
[07:51] <herve> ha, hoary
[07:52] <trulux> my devel box needs to be stable
[07:52] <trulux> ;)
[07:52] <trulux> VMs and chroots are enough for Breezy
[07:52] <DanielN> herve: ure using breezy or what?
[07:54] <herve> DanielN, yes
[07:54] <herve> and updated daily
[07:54] <herve> don't do this at home, kids!
[07:54] <DanielN> bleeding *shudder*
[07:54] <Nafallo> herve: already do. and updating hourly ;-)
[07:55] <herve> Nafallo, I knew my case wasn't the worst ;)-
[07:56] <herve> well, time to warm the oven!
[07:58] <DanielN> herve: you've inspired me .. installing hoary on VM to upgrade a breezy wild-badger :P
[07:58] <herve> ho no!
[07:58] <herve> I didn't say that!

[07:58] <DanielN> herve: ????
[07:59] <herve> ha, VM, the emulator?
[07:59] <DanielN> qemu
[08:00] <herve> one emulator, still
[08:00] <herve> ok, there you go!
[08:00] <DanielN> yep
[08:11] <trulux> DanielN: vmware rocks
[08:11] <DanielN> qemu is almost the same
[08:11] <DanielN> imho
[08:13] <trulux> DanielN: well, it can do other neat things, though, it doesn't achieve the performance and graceful effects of VMWare
[08:13] <DanielN> yeah .. of course your right .. but i don't wan't to pay for vmware
[08:14] <DanielN> if there's a suitable alternative
[08:41] <ivoks> hi
[08:43] <\sh> siretart: ping
[08:43] <herve> hi ivoks
[08:43] <herve> how was slovenia?
[08:43] <ivoks> nice :)
[08:43] <ivoks> hot :)
[08:44] <herve> yeah, the weather :-)
[08:47] <ivoks> among other things :)
[08:52] <ivoks> good company and lots of nice topless girls :)
[08:57] <\sh> dinner time
[08:57] <trulux> bbl, going to watch the episode III in the cinema
[08:57] <trulux> happy hacking guys
[09:50] <\sh> dinner was good and dr. who as well :)
[09:51] <herve> the old british series?
[09:53] <\sh> herve: the new british season :) dr. who 2005
[09:53] <herve> I thought it stopped in late 70's ;-)
[09:54] <\sh> hehe...no i think in the 90's and 8 years later the 2005 series were made
[10:43] <Nafallo> tseng: ping
[10:44] <Nafallo> tseng: blam crashes on updates cause it can't find gdk-x11-2.0. something wasn't pulled in correctly?
[10:48] <herve> Nafallo, blam is a mono application?
[10:49] <Amaranth> yes
[10:49] <herve> read the topic :-)
[10:50] <herve> I can't run f-spot for the same reason
[10:50] <Amaranth> you can always get the dependencies yourself
[10:51] <Amaranth> btw, that topic was put up about a month ago ;)
[10:51] <herve> we've been... er, busy :-)
[10:51] <Amaranth> yeah :)
[10:51] <Amaranth> speaking of mono, any magic foo i can do to make dbus compile a mono binding on my system?
[10:52] <Amaranth> i'm not afraid of dpkg :)
[10:52] <Amaranth> i can't figure out what muine uses dbus for though
[10:53] <herve> getting events at folder change?
[10:54] <Amaranth> but what did they imagine would ever sent those events?
[10:55] <Amaranth> and why would it use dbus instead of inotify? :)
[10:57] <MarioOs> hello
[10:57] <tseng> Nafallo: ...
[10:58] <tseng> Nafallo: did you read the topic?
[10:58] <tseng> Nafallo: also did you try my upload today
[10:59] <tseng> hm it failed
[11:01] <tseng> ah
[11:01] <tseng> lets fix that
[11:08] <herve> well, I'm starting to like f-spot
[11:09] <saintsjd> Quick questionfrom a newbie: There is a package in Ubuntu universe called gdal.  What can I do to make sure that it is fully supported and inclded in the main repository for the breezy release?
[11:09] <tseng> is there a reason it should be in main?
[11:10] <saintsjd> It is the base for many GIS packages that I would like to see included some day. For that it is important that it receives security updates.
[11:10] <Nafallo> tseng: Unhandled Exception: System.DllNotFoundException: gdk-x11-2.0
[11:10] <Nafallo> tseng: you know what's wrong?
[11:10] <Nafallo> tseng: trying to update feeds in blam.
[11:11] <tseng> yes, I know whats wrong
[11:11] <tseng> i already uploaded a fix today but it failed on firefox name change
[11:11] <tseng> i uploaded again
[11:11] <tseng> try again later
[11:11] <tseng> and read the topic
[11:11] <herve> saintsjd, I think Ubuntu has a subproject for GIS
[11:11] <Nafallo> tseng: ahh, oki :-)
[11:12] <Amaranth> also, read the topics of #ubuntu-devel and #ubuntu about using breezy ;)
[11:12] <tseng> if there is a bug in mono stuff, the chances are pretty good i already heard about it 6 times :P
[11:12] <saintsjd> herve: Yes, we are trying to start the GIS subproject
[11:12] <Nafallo> tseng: I've read the topic. I just thought I could install a missing package ;-). thanx anyway.
[11:12] <tseng> Nafallo: you can
[11:12] <tseng> Nafallo: libgtk2.0-dev
[11:12] <tseng> or you can wait for the fix to build
[11:12] <herve> saintsjd, hehe, then you'd better ask #ubuntu-devel
[11:12] <tseng> you can also just install this file
[11:13] <tseng> brandon@lappy:~/work/debian$ cat /usr/lib/blam/blam.exe.config

[11:13] <tseng> 	<dllmap dll="gdk-x11-2.0" target="libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0"/>
[11:13] <tseng> 	<dllmap dll="libX11" target="/usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6.2"/>

[11:13] <tseng> thats what I uploaded
[11:13] <Amaranth> shouldn't that be /usr/lib/X11?
[11:13] <tseng> it should not have the full path at all
[11:13] <tseng> i already fixed that too
[11:13] <Amaranth> well, no
[11:13] <tseng> i must have an old copy installed
[11:14] <tseng> but
[11:14] <tseng> just fix it
[11:14] <tseng> Amaranth: good catch, but im faster
[11:14] <Amaranth> hehe
[11:14] <Amaranth> did you ever figure out the tomboy stuff?
[11:14] <tseng> the icon?
[11:14] <Amaranth> yeah
[11:14] <tseng> i think i might just ship the 24x24 one
[11:14] <tseng> instead
[11:14] <Amaranth> if not i'll work on it after i get dbus back
[11:14] <tseng> i dont have time to learn how to do a bunch of hacky crap in gtk#
[11:15] <Amaranth> the reason i didn't last time is because you have tomboy.png.uu
[11:15] <tseng> dave does, yes
[11:15] <Amaranth> and i don't know what to replace that with, because i'll have two files called tomboy
[11:15] <Amaranth> well, whoever ;)
[11:15] <herve> night all!
[11:15] <Amaranth> night herve
[11:15] <Amaranth> d'oh
[11:15] <tseng> ideally someone will make nicer icons and alex will just release with them
[11:16] <tseng> he wants something lame that means "tomboy" and not "notes"
[11:16] <tseng> oh and he swears more than I do
[11:17] <Amaranth> heh
[11:17] <Amaranth> you should see me when i find a nasty bug in smeg
[11:17] <Amaranth> the name fits
[11:17] <saintsjd> How does one package end up in main repository and  another in Universe? what is the difference between the two that makes them go to diffferent repositories?
[11:18] <tseng> saintsjd: one is probably something an application we want in the main desktop requires
[11:18] <tseng> universe is the rest
[11:19] <saintsjd> oh so universe is still "maintained" with security updates?
[11:19] <tseng> er
[11:19] <tseng> its "best effort"
[11:19] <Nafallo> saintsjd: yepp
[11:19] <saintsjd> if so, then gdal does not need to be in main.
[11:19] <tseng> you can help out by submitting security fixes also
[11:19] <Amaranth> does hoary-security even have a universe section?
[11:19] <tseng> yes.
[11:20] <tseng> there are a few guys working on it now
[11:20] <tseng> iirc Nafallo is one of them
[11:20] <tseng> or was it Burgandiva i guess
[11:20] <\sh> phew
[11:21] <saintsjd> "Best effort" would definitely do for GIS apps. They are not need by mainstream users.
[11:21] <saintsjd> In universe does security depend upon the best eforts of the maintainer of the package? or is there a full team to oversee?
[11:21] <Nafallo> yepp. /me, astharot, pitti AFAIK
[11:22] <crimmy> saintsjd: we don't really have maintainers, per se
[11:23] <Amaranth> we have teams for some things
[11:23] <Amaranth> the rest is just whoever is willing to work on it
[11:23] <tseng> yep
[11:23] <saintsjd> sounds like getting involved will be fairly straightforward then.  This is a good thing.
[11:23] <Amaranth> like tseng, he's the mono man
[11:23] <tseng> <3
[11:23] <tseng> i accept help at times
[11:24] <Amaranth> yeah, you just do some work on some packages and get someone to sponsor it, then sign up to be a MOTU
[11:24] <Amaranth> http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTU
[11:26] <saintsjd> There are already many GIS packages in debian SID.  When breezy freezes will these packages automatically be included in Breezy's universe?
[11:26] <tseng> we automatically sync things across for the first 2 or 3 months
[11:26] <Amaranth> they should be there now?
[11:26] <tseng> also if you want to change things, it less painful to do it on the debian side
[11:26] <tseng> you dont get conflicts that way
[11:27] <saintsjd> do you develop your packages in a sid environment? Is that the easiest way to go?
[11:27] <tseng> erm i mean, work with the debian maintainer to make changes you need
[11:27] <tseng> if you are talking about a group of packages
[11:28] <tseng> for example, i have several packages that use gtkembedmoz
[11:28] <tseng> i have to make changes to everyone to use firefox isntead of mozilla as debian does
[11:28] <Nafallo> blaaah. blam dies because of my pinned X now ;-)
[11:28] <tseng> it would be ideal in this case if i could get someone to make that change in debian
[11:28] <tseng> i cant in this case, but you get the point
[11:28] <saintsjd> got it.
[11:28] <tseng> just be in communication with the debian side
[11:29] <tseng> if you have to make ubuntu specific changes, oh well
[11:29] <saintsjd> yes that sounds best.
[11:29] <tseng> but you get the keep both pieces :P
[11:30] <tseng> i dont know i probably do more hardcore stuff than you will have to bother with
[11:31] <saintsjd> yes, my stuff will be fairly simple because there is a whole debian GIS group with a lot of momentum.  There is one package that needs to be recompiled for python 2.4 instead of debian's 2.3
[11:32] <saintsjd> If I can get that package into sid, then Things should be ok for Ubuntu.
[11:35] <tseng> sounds great
[11:36] <tseng> what is gis btw
[11:39] <\sh> tseng: geo information system
[11:40] <\sh> saintsjd: talk to ogra if hes back from guadec
[11:40] <tseng>  k.
[11:41] <saintsjd> on the phone, sorry.
[11:55] <saintsjd> Geographic information System
[11:56] <saintsjd> I will look for ogra.
[11:56] <saintsjd> Thanks


[12:33] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:56] <santa_> hi everyone
[12:57] <santa_> RikMills: if we have fw 5.82 pre-release this weekend I would like to do it
[12:58] <santa_> I have the initial version of the watch file parsing code to test
[12:58] <RikMills> santa_: as long as it worked on straight away, that is fine
[12:59] <RikMills> I want to be able to test build new plasma with it ASAP
[12:59] <RikMills> e.g. make a dummy release set of plasma tars
[13:00] <RikMills> that way will not have to wait for the beta to get much of the work prepared
[13:01] <santa_> sure, I have just one commit more to push to master and then would be actually ready to test
[13:01] <RikMills> cool
[14:22] <santa_> RikMills: ok, so last commit is already there, pushed to master, if may steal you a few mins, let me explain what we have now:
[14:22] <santa_> - we have a new KAWatchFile class
[14:22] <santa_> - we have a new debug program named parse-watch-file
[14:24] <santa_> - and we have something different in the package-info debug program output
[14:25] <santa_> so ...
[14:25] <santa_> if you execute parse-watch-file against any pkg clone you will see at the end "Tarball name patterns: [...]"
[14:26] <RikMills> right
[14:26] <santa_> these are all the possible tarball names for the package which may be under /home/user/kde-ftp/...
[14:27] <santa_> if you execute package info, you will see in the middle of the stdout something like "Upstream tarball paths: [...]"
[14:28] <santa_> these are all the possible upstream tarball full paths
[14:29] <santa_> so the code we have now, when doing a symlink in build-area check sequentially all this paths and creates the symlink targeting the first existing one
[14:30] <santa_> this way, what we have now it's better than what we use to have: previously the tarball name was just built like <kde-ftp_path>/<tarball_name>-<upstream_tar_version>.tar.xz
[14:31] <santa_> and of course only .tar.xz was supported
[14:31] <RikMills> sounds good/better :)
[14:31] <santa_> now we have a better set of guesses
[14:32] <santa_> if you see the code of the KAWatchFile, now you will understand why I said some time ago I wanted to move the code responsible to find out the tarball name to a separate class :)
[14:33] <santa_> (that would be difficult to implement in a single function inside KASrcPkg)
[14:33] <santa_> more stuff & limitations:
[14:34] <santa_> about the kdsoap an sddm watch files, they have some "challeging" things that the fw/plasma/apps don't have:
[14:34] <santa_> - non .tar.xz extension
[14:35] <santa_> - lines split into multiple lines with final '\'
[14:36] <santa_> - sddm also has this filenamemangle thing, which makes things more complicated because it forces you to parse the "opts=" things and try to replicate the "s/..."
[14:37] <santa_> that being said, while I expect this new code to be better than the previous one, I don't expect it to be infallible:
[14:38] <santa_> - if you read the uscan manpage and the KAWatchFile code and understand it, you will find out what I already know: some watch files might not work
[14:39] <santa_> - also you have to take into account that what KAWatchFile does it's just a *guess* of the tarball name that uscan is going to download, but you never know with 100% accuracy
[14:39] <RikMills> fair enough. thanks!
[14:40] <santa_> so, last, but not least: for now I plan to keep the code like, but if you hit any watch file that doesn't work let me know, so we could either:
[14:40] <santa_> a) improve the guess so it works better
[14:40] <santa_> or
[14:41] <santa_> b) provide an overrides system indexed by source package name in ka-metadata
[14:41] <RikMills> will do
[14:41] <santa_> for now I would like to keep the code mostly as it is, and explore the a) option
[14:42] <santa_> and that's it, thanks for your time
[14:44] <RikMills> great, and thank you
[14:44] <santa_> yw
[15:06] <mparillo> ii ISOs have landed: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ Installed just fine to a VM.
[15:09] <RikMills> \o/
[15:20] <RikMills> santa_: https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/release-team/2021-May/012288.html
[15:21] <santa_> RikMills: nice! I'm going to start then if you don't mind
[15:21] <RikMills> please do :)
[15:26] <BluesKaj> so far so good on 21.10 Impish :-)
[16:32] <RikMills> plasma-wayland-protocols 1.3.0 uploaded
[16:33] <RikMills> santa_: ^ which has a normal tar name this time ;)
[16:41] <krytarik> RikMills: https://code.launchpad.net/~krytarik/ubuntu-cdimage/flavor-assets/+merge/401751 - now that I believe I've met all of vorlon's requirements, would you mind fulfilling the team repo one?
[16:54] <RikMills> krytarik: appears I have no permissions on the ~kubuntu-website team
[16:55] <RikMills> looks like mparillo and @Sick_Rimmit do
[16:55] <RikMills> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-website/+members#active
[17:02] <krytarik> Oh indeed, I was mistaking Rick Timmis for you! >_<
[17:03] <santa_> typical mistake
[17:03] <santa_> so many Ri[c]ks in the room
[17:58] <mparillo> The owner of the team is https://launchpad.net/~ryanakca
[18:03] <mparillo> And Rick (https://launchpad.net/~rick-timmis) is one of the Admins.
[18:05] <krytarik> I doesn't matter much really though who is owner or admin on the team - anybody on it should be able to create a new repo under it.
[18:09] <krytarik> Though it's mildly hilarious how much cruft there is on some teams.. >_>
[21:40] <RikMills> konsole with the horrible new toolbar now landing in impish :S
 (Photo, 610x357) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/OmyMrJt1/file_43621.jpg No toolbar Konsole. 10/10. Would recommend
[22:29] <mamarley> LucKily, as with other things KDE, it is Konfigurable enough to disable the silly toolbar!
[22:33] <valorie> heh


[00:00] <spyfly> I'm experiencing some issues with the nvidia-440 driver on the 20.04 beta
[00:01] <exit70> is it a good idea to test 20.04 using https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebootstrapChroot
[03:38] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[09:18] <Groar> hi
[09:22] <Groar> anyone here?
[09:32] <Groar> Well, I'll ask my question and I'll wait till someone answers haha
[09:33] <Groar> I have holidays and nothing to do since Covid19 is in the air... well, now really, I live in Spain and cannot go outside. So I have nothing better to do than to enjoy my computer
[09:33] <Groar> so I've been thinking about upgrading from 18.04 to 22.04
[09:33] <Groar> errr 20.04*
[09:34] <Groar> In case I did it, when Ubuntu 20.04 (final) was released, would I have to reinstall it again or it wouldn't be needed at all?
[09:38] <jatt> you won't need to reinstall, you can just upgrade and you will get the final version
[09:45] <Groar> jatt: are you under it? is it working fine?
[09:46] <jatt> yes I upgraded yesterday, xrdp and openssh didn't work properly afterwards but I could fix the problems by installing an older version of those packages
[09:46] <jatt> other than that it's very much stable
[09:47] <Groar> I'll install it on Wednesday since the kernel will be freezing by that day
[09:47] <Groar> :)
[09:47] <jatt> good
[10:06] <lotuspsychje> Groar: just keep in mind the LTS upgrade way is waiting until 20.04.1 point release comes out around august
[10:13] <Groar> lotuspsychje: Yeah I knew that fact :)
[10:13] <lotuspsychje> cool, the users choice then :p
[12:41] <spyfly> I am experiencing some issues with the gui scaling. I am trying to set the scaling to 200% on a triple monitor setup with xorg using the proprietary nvidia-440 driver, but the screens will just go blank and revert back to 100%
[15:09] <diddledan> ello, anyone know anything about zfs setup for 20.04? my /boot is seemingly devoid of storage capacity - zfs list shows the active set (snapshot?) as using 1.13G while du -sh /boot shows ~300MB.. I need to figure out how to reduce its usage so I can finish installing updates (mkinitramfs dies because there isn't enough storage space on /boot for
[15:09] <diddledan> the initrd)..
[15:13] <diddledan> here's some info I managed to gather: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MVfHnqzbzf/
[15:14] <diddledan> I'm presuming I've somehow got a borked system and need to reinstall....? (it is beta, after all :-)
[15:22] <howarth> Is Gnome Weather working in the Ubuntu Message Tray for anyone as described in https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2020/04/see-world-clock-and-weather-info-ubuntu
[15:23] <howarth> I am seeing 'Weather Select a location' which is I click brings up the Gnome Weather app that automatically detects my location.
[15:24] <howarth> However when I click on the tray a second time, it is still showing 'Weather Select a location' instead of the five day report.
[15:25] <howarth> Ah, the comments in the article suggest that it doesn't seem to work well with automatic location detection
[15:25] <dh-tech> Hi folks, i am testing Ubuntu 20.04, before reporting a bug i want to make sure i am right, i have the all dark theme setup, but i noticed notification drop down, settings drop down and the authentication popup are white and not using the dark theme.
[15:25] <dh-tech> is that expected
[15:26] <howarth> Figured it out, turns out that I didn't have location detection services turned on, which is odd because the app itself still did detect location without that
[15:42] <dh-tech> Sorry to repeat my question, i am testing Ubuntu 20.04, before reporting a bug i want to make sure i am right, i have the all dark theme setup, but i noticed notification drop down, settings drop down and the authentication popup are white and not using the dark theme.
[15:44] <cowpig> Hello! I've had a problem with iwlwifi since installing 20.04 on my new laptop, about 3 weeks ago. Have asked about it here a few times but nobody's been able to figure it out. Here are some details on the problem:
[15:44] <cowpig> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1224353/intel-wifi-driver-problems-in-ubuntu-20-04-development-branch?noredirect=1#comment2058973_1224353
[15:45] <cowpig> I want to report it to the right place but the instructions on reporting a bug seem to require a package:
[15:45] <cowpig> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[15:45] <cowpig> My problem is the driver, not the package, I think. So I don't know how I'm supposed to report this
[15:46] <cowpig> should I report the problem on `ping` ??
[15:46] <Groar> one question. Does ubuntu 20.04 use xorg by default as previous versions?
[15:46] <Groar> or has it changed already?
[15:47] <dh-tech> My install used X11 by default, but i upgraded from 19.10 to 20.04 not a fresh install
[15:48] <Groar> dh-tech: is xorg better than the new one?
[15:51] <dh-tech> in my opinion Wayland still need a lot of improvements, but you always have the option to switch on the login screen
[15:51] <diddledan> cowpig: run `dpkg -l |grep iwlwifi` if that returns `backport-iwlwifi-dkms` then you can run `ubuntu-bug backport-iwlwifi-dkms` to file the bug report semi-automatically.
[15:53] <cowpig> @diddledan it doesn't :(
[15:54] <diddledan> in that case then, try `ubuntu-bug linux-modules-extra-$(uname -r)`
[15:56] <diddledan> it looks like iwlwifi is in that second one if you haven't got the backport installed, so that should get you to the correct file bug page
[16:07] <cowpig> I got disconnected but submitted the bug report as you suggested diddledan
[16:08] <cowpig> would be nice if the bug report page had an explanation of how to figure out which package you should report to in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[17:03] <luna_> trying to change from Alpha to Beta now
[17:05] <luna_> worked good
[19:01] <howarth> Has anyone else noticed the following bug in the installer? On my 2008 MacPro, I prefer to Ubuntu 20.04 install its /boot/efi mount on the EFI partition of the physical linux disk. I tried using the Custom Partitioning option to select that device (/dev/sde) as the device for the boot loader installation. What actually happened was quite weird. The boot loader still got installed on the EFI partition of the macOS drive and worse the E
[19:01] <howarth> I partition on /dev/sde got recreated with the identical blkid of that of the EFI partition of the macOS drive.
[19:02] <howarth> So that I had two different devices with identical blkid's for their EFI partitions. Not good.
[19:06] <OmegaRidley> I'm trying the 20.04 beta image from Friday, and after I install the ubuntu-restricted-extras package, I can't login back from the login screen anymore. After I confirm the password, it tries to login, but goes back to the login screen. I could confirm that it starts happening after I install that package. Anyone knows if that is a known issue
[19:06] <OmegaRidley> already?
[19:08] <luna_> sent some more suggestions for translations in the ubuntu-wallpaper-2004 package
[19:17] <howarth> Hard to see why anything in ubuntu-restricted-extras would impact logins
[19:18] <howarth> It just appears to be a metapackage to install unrar, ttf-mscorefonts and restricted audio codecs
[19:27] <billythekid123> hi there!
[19:27] <billythekid123> I just upgraded from 19.10 to 20.04 beta. I checked the installed snaps and noticed that both gnome-3-28-1804 and gnome-3-34-1804 are installed so I tried to remove the 3.28. After doing that all snaps stopped working. Reinstalling it makes everything work. Any idea what this is?
[19:35] <howarth> The execution of the scripts in 'do-release-upgrade -d' seemed to do a dependency check on the snaps so it probably is a real dependency on some that haven't been fully updated to the newer gnome.
[19:37] <billythekid123> howarth that's my understanding as well. I tried doing something like:
[19:37] <billythekid123> $ snap connect firefox:gnome-3-34-1804 gnome-3-34-1804error: snap "firefox" has no plug named "gnome-3-34-1804"
[19:37] <billythekid123> so probably most snaps need to connect to the 3-34? right?
[19:38] <billythekid123> it's weird though because the beta comes with only gnome-3-34-1804 installed, so it should be working
[19:41] <billythekid123> oh yes that's it... I have a VM and I just fired Ubuntu beta. Installing firefox installs also gnome-3-34-1804.
[19:42] <howarth> Things can lag. I just noticed that gnome-photos is still based on the 3.34 code base
[19:42] <billythekid123> sorry I meant gnome-3-28-1804
[19:43] <billythekid123> one of the snaps actually works with only 3.34 on but firefox and Thunderbird require 3.34
[19:43] <billythekid123> and they install it if it's missing on a fresh install
[19:43] <howarth> And a big feature with Gnome 3.36 was supposed to be the replacement of Shotwell with Gnome Photos
[19:43] <billythekid123> you think it's worth reporting this over snapcraft or you think it's certain they are on to it?
[19:45] <howarth> Evolution is supposed to be replaced by Geary and Gnome calendar. Likewise Rhythm Box is supposed to be replaced by Gnome Music. https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2020/02/gnome-3-36-features
[19:45] <billythekid123> haha yeah I read it :D
[19:47] <billythekid123> yeap 100% confirmed. some snaps depend on the previous gnome snaps and when you install them they install also previous versions of gnome. Removing the old gnome snap makes the snap unbootable.
[19:48] <billythekid123> if you install it again, everything works. Cool, thanks for the help/info howarth. I'll be patient then :)
[23:00] <BobParr> Hi all - looking to get some help for an issue. I fresh-installed MATE 20.04 and after trying to get some DVD's to play, I get "error:0 in libdvdnav.so.4.2.0" in syslog. I'm not sure where I start in troubleshooting this
[23:01] <BobParr> It was working after the fresh install in VLC, but some add-on I did must have messed it up
[23:02] <valorie>  libdvd is part of a library name
[23:02] <Bashing-om> BobParr: What shows ' dpkg -l libdvd-pkg ' ?
[23:02] <BobParr> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold| Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend|/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)||/ Name           Version      Architecture Description+++-[23:02] <BobParr> DVD-Video playing library - installer
[23:03] <BobParr> That didn't paste very nicely
[23:03] <Bashing-om> !paste | BobParr
[23:04] <BobParr> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7xHkRjqQ7J/
[23:05] <Bashing-om> BobParr: Your paste does not load - check for typo, please.
[23:06] <BobParr> It was a copy paste ... Let's try again    https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7xHkRjqQ7J/
[23:06] <BobParr> Link works for me...
[23:07] <BobParr> !pastebinit Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold| Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend|/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)||/ Name           Version      Architecture Description+++-[23:07] <BobParr> 1.4.2-1-1    all          DVD-Video playing library - installer
[23:07] <BobParr> dangit, sorry
[23:08] <Bashing-om> BobParr: A problem here with my seconday browser - works in my primary. Any way the lib is installed. Was my only thought.
[23:10] <BobParr> Should I purge it and reinstall? apt install --reinstall libdvd-pkg didn't fix anything
[23:10] <oerheks> lib dvd needs 2 steps to work, right?
[23:10] <oerheks> sudo apt install libdvd-pkg && sudo dpkg-reconfigure libdvd-pkg
[23:10] <BobParr> $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure libdvd-pkglibdvd-pkg: guest package [libdvdcss2/1.4.2-1~local] is already installed.
[23:11] <BobParr> $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure libdvd-pkg
[23:11] <BobParr> libdvd-pkg: guest package [libdvdcss2/1.4.2-1~local] is already installed.
[23:11] <Bashing-om> oerheks: BobParr : +1 ^
[23:11] <oerheks> well, remove vlc and addon you messed up
[23:11] <BobParr> What's the best way to do that?   apt purge?
[23:12] <Bashing-om> !info libdvd-pkg
[23:13] <oerheks> and remove cruft in ~/.config and ~/.cache too, VLC
[23:13] <BobParr> so use apt purge to do it?
[23:14] <oerheks> yes.
[23:16] <BobParr> I purged vlc, deleted the folders in ~/.cache and ~/.config and then reinstalled. Same error. Next step would be to purge libdvdnav4? It seems to remove a lot after that
[23:16] <BobParr> The following packages will be REMOVED:  celluloid* handbrake* libdvdnav4* libmpv1* mpv* vlc* vlc-plugin-base*
[23:19] <BobParr> Seems to only be an issue with DVDs, as BluRay plays fine
[23:26] <BobParr> bah - I purged libdvdnav4, which removed VLC. Then I reinstalled VLC (which came with libdvdnav4) and still get the same error
[23:26] <BobParr> kernel: [ 2273.937646] traps: vlc[7593] general protection fault ip:7f3ac6eb9d74 sp:7f3a8a77deb0 error:0 in libdvdnav.so.4.2.0[7f3ac6eb0000+d000]
[23:39] <oerheks> file a bugreport, perhaps? i find no recent ones
[23:40] <BobParr> ok. I'll have to do that. Thanks!
[23:47] <BobParr> I used the snap version and it works... so I guess I'll stick with that :P