[01:56] <McIntireEvan> popey: Submitted another Terminal MR if you have time :)
[01:56] <popey> already tested and approved :D
[01:57] <popey> oh, another one!
[01:57] <popey> you're on fire!
[01:58] <popey> need to do a store upload when all this lands
[01:58]  * popey glares at jenkins
[02:05] <McIntireEvan> Hehe
[02:06] <McIntireEvan> Im having fun with the terminal app, totally continuing to do more with it :)
[02:08]  * ogra_ only recently noticed that the terminal app actually doesnt stop running processes when you swipe it to the background ...
[02:08] <ogra_> it actually backgrounds them ... and you can get them back issuing "fg"
[02:09] <McIntireEvan> Really? I think there are at least 2 open bugs relating to that
[02:09] <ogra_> yeah
[02:10] <ogra_> i always thought it kills the processes ... til i noticed it in stopped state in ps :)
[02:10] <McIntireEvan> I've never been able to test that considering I still don't have an emulator setup; my ubuntu installation is on a flash drive right now
[02:11] <popey> McIntireEvan, tried the paste branch, and i still see a paste entry even when the buffer is empty
[02:12] <McIntireEvan> Hmm, it worked for me, though I have a few ideas, I'll check it out again tomorrow after my physics final
[02:28] <McIntireEvan> Oh, popey, I also have a branch I did for a GCI task from a few weeks back that vastly expands the READMEs, ahayzen did a bit of a review on it and I fixed some things that I noticed were mistakes, mind taking a look?
[02:29] <McIntireEvan> Actually looking at it I do need to rebase it because I did it on a dirty branch
[07:22] <elimisteve> JanC: I know that scopes have happened :-), I'm asking about whether their security model as defined in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Specifications/ScopesConfinement is up to date
[10:06] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Wednesday, and happy Penguin Awareness Day! 😃
[10:35] <mcphail> Having been pooped on by one, I'd say it is best to beware penguins 365 days a year.
[10:36] <JamesTait> Likewise cats.
[10:36] <mcphail> natch
[11:10] <faenil> McIntireEvan: just fyi, the terminal app will be used for the user-testing session we have at the end of January :) in desktop environment :)
[14:56] <ahayzen> balloons, have you had anyone else report that jenkins is having issues finding the keyboard sometimes ? I've had the same issue for both music and weather now where it says "RuntimeError: Keyboard is not on screen" sometimes when using .write(value)
[15:15] <DS-McGuire> Hello guys, I'm trying to make a JavaScript scope and I am having trouble with the SDK.
[15:16] <DS-McGuire> I'm getting :-1: error: /usr/bin/cmake: Command not found When I test my new scope app before I've even made any changes. I'm using the Ubuntu 15.04 click
[15:22] <mcphail> DS-McGuire: have you installed the SDK from the PPA?
[15:23] <DS-McGuire> mcphail, I can't really remember it has been a while. Should I add the ppa and update?
[15:24] <mcphail> DS-McGuire: yes, add PPA, install SDK, run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" to upgrade the click package, delete your click chroots and rebuild. Should sort things, hopefully...
[15:25] <DS-McGuire> mcphail, I'll do it now... Getting those click chroots take forever on my Internet. Will let you know in a bit.
[15:25] <mcphail> DS-McGuire: I think there are static ones you can install as well. bzoltan_ may be able to point you in the right direction
[15:26] <DS-McGuire> mcphail, Awesome, that would help :)
[15:27] <DS-McGuire> I just checked before I added the PPA and it seems i already have the ppa
[15:28] <mcphail> DS-McGuire: OK, make sure you have run a "dist-upgrade" as the default click package doesn't get upgraded unless you do that
[15:28] <DS-McGuire> Will do it now, mcphail :)
[15:28] <mcphail> DS-McGuire: then make sure you have the SDK installed (which should pull in cmake) and rebuild the click chroots.
[15:29] <DS-McGuire> mcphail, Looking at the terminal now it seems it's updating "make" so fingers crossed.
[15:29] <bzoltan_> DS-McGuire:  if you need a static chroot just install the ubuntu-sdk-api-15.04-armhf package
[15:30]  * mcphail hasn't tried building a javascript scope yet, but had similar problems when building apps with an outdated version of click
[15:31] <DS-McGuire> Damn, updated everything and still have :-1: error: /usr/bin/cmake: Command not found
[15:32] <mcphail> DS-McGuire: you've deleted and rebuilt the chroots?
[15:32] <DS-McGuire> mcphail, Oh yeah ahah
[15:32]  * DS-McGuire deleting
[15:32] <mcphail> DS-McGuire: see bzoltan_'s message above re: static chroots (to save time)
[15:33] <DS-McGuire> mcphail, How would I install that?
[15:33] <DS-McGuire> nevermind, I just sudo apt-get installed it
[15:33] <mcphail> DS-McGuire: "sudo apt-get install  ubuntu-sdk-api-15.04-armhf" I would guess
[15:33] <mcphail> :)
[15:34]  * DS-McGuire needs coffee to wake up
[15:34]  * mcphail crosses fingers
[16:14] <DS-McGuire> mcphail, Still fails...
[16:14] <DS-McGuire> I don't know what to do :L
[16:18] <mcphail> DS-McGuire: javascript scopes are quite new, aren't they? What guuide/tutorial are you following?
[16:19] <DS-McGuire> mcphail, This one: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/scopes/tutorials/developing-scopes-javascript/ I has been updated since I last used it (2 days ago) due to a lack of instructions I found and then Micheal Hall fixed.
[16:20] <mcphail> DS-McGuire: are you around later? I can try it after work and see what it does on my machine
[16:21] <DS-McGuire> I will be out from 6:30GMT to 8:30GMT but I'll be free after that :)
[16:21] <mcphail> OK, will try later :)
[16:23] <DS-McGuire> mcphail, Thanks. One last note, other projects that aren't JS scopes open fine.
[17:08] <link0802>  Hi. Why this code not work for indicator? I see just simple ImageMenuItem, no any makrup :( code:  new = gtk.ImageMenuItem(''+title+'') label.set_markup('Blue text is cool!') label.set_use_markup(True)
[17:17] <mcphail> link0802: don't know what you are doing, or what language you are doing it in, but you're probably in the wrong place here. That aside, most languages don't allow you to run-on statements like that (requiring semicolons or newlines), "new" is a reserved word in common languages and cannot be used as a variable, and your reference to "label" has appeared from nowhere. But I think you'd be better finding a more specific channel
[18:01] <McIntireEvan> faenil: Oh, by user-testing session do you mean testing by general users as to how user-friendly stuff is?
[18:04] <faenil> McIntireEvan: yep!
[18:04] <faenil> we invite people to the office and have them play with the apps
[18:04] <faenil> ask them to perform certain tasks etc
[18:12] <McIntireEvan> faenil: Awesome!
[18:21] <mcphail> DS-McGuire: did you get this error when setting things up? - http://paste.ubuntu.com/14583740/
[18:26] <mcphail> mhall119: have you been working on the javascript scopes infrastructure?
[18:27] <Kaleo> ahayzen, https://bugs.launchpad.net/camera-app/+bug/1455087 still bothering you?
[18:33] <Kaleo> has anybody observed https://bugs.launchpad.net/camera-app/+bug/1288539 recently?
[18:45] <faenil> McIntireEvan: yeah :) so if you want anything to be usertested on a laptop environment please push it this week :) (beginning of next week at max)
[19:21] <ahayzen> Kaleo, i haven't had it recently, but also i haven't been using camera as much
[19:25] <Kaleo> ahayzen,
[19:25] <ahayzen> o/
[19:25] <Kaleo> ok
[19:25] <Kaleo> well
[19:25] <Kaleo> let's cross fingers:)
[19:25] <ahayzen> yeah :-/
[19:31] <ahayzen> balloons, ping
[20:00] <balloons> ahayzen, pong
[20:00] <ahayzen> balloons, two things, firstly i've tried various things to get around the location access thing and it is still failing, even tried copying the webbrowser
[20:01] <ahayzen> balloons, i've been adding it to this branch i was working on with weather https://code.launchpad.net/~ahayzen/ubuntu-weather-app/fix-control-depends-01/+merge/282241
[20:01] <ahayzen> balloons, doing those commands that you gave me end up with something like this http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14584998/
[20:01] <ahayzen> balloons, i wonder if it can't run sudo or something ?
[20:02] <mhall119> mcphail: only the documentation side of things, why?
[20:03] <ahayzen> balloons, i also tried doing a select of GeolocationPermissionRequest but it couldn't find it (that's how the webbrowser does it) http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/webbrowser-app/trunk/view/head:/tests/autopilot/webbrowser_app/tests/test_geolocation.py http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/webbrowser-app/trunk/view/head:/tests/autopilot/webbrowser_app/emulators/browser.py#L423
[20:03] <ahayzen> balloons, that's the first thing, the second is that i've found the sdk helper for the keyboard, that you do .type(value) appears to be flaky, it sometimes cannot find the keyboard :-/
[20:05] <mcphail> mhall119: I was just wondering whether the error I posted above was relevant - http://paste.ubuntu.com/14583740/ . Things seem to work OK for me after that, but DS-McGuire has been having problems with missing cmake errors and I don't know if the chroots are getting set up correctly
[20:07] <mhall119> yeah, I'll be no help there. davidcalle and marcus might be able to help though
[20:08] <mcphail> mhall119: OK, thanks :)
[20:10]  * balloons looks
[20:11]  * balloons realizes ahayzen wants him to think
[20:11] <ahayzen> balloons, haha, any suggestions to both issues? ;-) i think the latter is a problem in the sdk helper itself as i've seen on music and weather the same issue
[20:11] <balloons> ahayzen, for the keyboard helper issue, ask timp /file a bug for sure. Is this not just happening on music or weather?
[20:12] <ahayzen> balloons, music and weather are the only two i monitor autopilot tests :-)
[20:12] <balloons> and yes, sudo is an issue. What I sent you should work for location. If it doesn't, we can ask the QA folks about it
[20:12] <ahayzen> but for both i have now seen it say "NoKeyboardFound" and then take a screenshot of the keyboard...
[20:12] <balloons> ahayzen, yes, more than just one app means it's definitely a bug
[20:12] <ahayzen> balloons, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Process/Merges/TestPlan/location-service#Dummy_provider <- has sudo in it ;_)
[20:13] <balloons> ahayzen, if you do the commands manually and then run the tests, does it work ok?
[20:13] <ahayzen> balloons, it is only failing on jenkins
[20:13] <ahayzen> balloons, on my device it is fine, as i have already accepted the location thing at some point in the past
[20:13] <balloons> ahayzen, it works without running anything even locally? ohh right.. lol, I meant on a fresh device
[20:14] <ahayzen> ah yeah, idk if that would work
[20:14] <ahayzen> and even a reflash wouldn't help, i'd have todo a wipe? :-/ which i'd rather not do
[20:14] <balloons> so that makes sense. Well, let's mod the job to run just the single test, and run the commands locally
[20:15] <ahayzen> balloons, thanks
[20:15] <balloons> ahayzen, and the test doesn't matter -- any one should work yes? Give me a full name to run and I'll make the job
[20:16] <ahayzen> balloons, only some use the location stuff... let me check
[20:17] <ahayzen> balloons, try ubuntu_weather_app.tests.test_migration.TestMigration.test_locations_page
[21:05] <Takis> Hi
[21:32] <ahayzen> balloons, were you able to make the job ? :-)
[21:34] <balloons> ahayzen, working on it now
[21:34] <ahayzen> balloons, sweet, thanks :-)
[21:37] <balloons> https://core-apps-jenkins.ubuntu.com/view/Test/job/weather-location-test/ will be it
[21:39] <ahayzen> \o/
[21:42] <DS-McGuire> mcphail, Any luck after?
[21:56] <mcphail> DS-McGuire: worked for me, despite an error message setting things up. When do you get the error?
[21:56] <DS-McGuire> mcphail, When I run a JS scope... Any scope... :(
[21:57] <mcphail> DS-McGuire: let's run through the setup together...
[21:58] <mcphail> DS-McGuire: OK, New project -> Unity Scope (Javascript)
[21:58] <mcphail> pick a name
[21:59] <mcphail> Framework ubuntu-sdk15.04.3, confinement type scope with network access, Template JS scope using http and json...
[22:00] <mcphail> For kit selection, I pick Desktop (not Ubuntu SDK Desktop kit) and Ubuntu SDK for armhf...
[22:00] <mcphail> skip version control
[22:00] <mcphail> Then run cmake for the desktop. Do you get an error there?
[22:07]  * DS-McGuire will do in 10 mins
[22:24] <DS-McGuire> mcphail, Right, did all that exactly how you said and it still doesn't work... :(
[22:29] <mcphail> DS-McGuire: at what point does it fail?
[22:31] <DS-McGuire> mcphail, As soon as it's started. Nothing even starts it just fails.
[22:31] <DS-McGuire> Output log: 22:30:52: Running steps for project untitled2...
[22:31] <DS-McGuire> 22:30:52: Starting: "/usr/bin/make"
[22:31] <DS-McGuire> Makefile:281: recipe for target 'cmake_check_build_system' failed
[22:31] <DS-McGuire> make: /usr/bin/cmake: Command not found
[22:31] <DS-McGuire> make: *** [cmake_check_build_system] Error 127
[22:31] <DS-McGuire> 22:30:52: The process "/usr/bin/make" exited with code 2.
[22:31] <DS-McGuire> Error while building/deploying project untitled2 (kit: Desktop)
[22:31] <DS-McGuire> When executing step "Make"
[22:31] <DS-McGuire> 22:30:52: Elapsed time: 00:00.
[22:31] <DS-McGuire> OMG, sorry.
[22:34] <mcphail> DS-McGuire: what is the output of "click chroot -a armhf -f ubuntu-sdk-15.04 run which cmake
[22:36] <DS-McGuire> is gives me click /usr/bin/cmake
[22:36] <DS-McGuire> Not the click part at the start mcphail
[22:36] <mcphail> what do you mean?
[22:37] <DS-McGuire> sorry, the output is : /usr/bin/cmake
[22:37] <mcphail> OK. That looks good
[22:37] <mcphail> And the result of a simple "which cmake"?
[22:38] <DS-McGuire> The same
[22:39] <mcphail> DS-McGuire: and you've run "unity-js-scopes-tool setup"?
[22:39] <DS-McGuire> yep, i'll run it again though
[22:40] <DS-McGuire> Hmm, I get some errors when running that.
[22:40] <mcphail> yes, I got errors too
[22:40] <DS-McGuire> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14585950/
[22:41] <DS-McGuire> Want to check those errors are the same? ^^
[22:42] <mcphail> Similar. I didn't get the apt-get errors. I presume this may be because you are running the static click chroot???
[22:45] <mcphail> DS-McGuire: this error seems quite arcane. I wonder if davidcalle could help out with it? Perhaps it is because you are running 15.04 and I am running 15.10? Perhaps it is because you are running the static chroot and I am running the traditional one? This makes my head hurt
[22:46] <DS-McGuire> mcphail, Don't stress too much about it. But one thing; I am running Ubuntu 15.10, not .04
[22:47] <mcphail> OK, then our setups should be reasonably close. Perhaps it is worth posting your error to the mailing list?
[23:02] <DS-McGuire> mcphail, Yeah I think I'll have too
[23:51] <McIntireEvan> popey, the disable-paste branch should be good now, the issue was really silly of me, but I got it


[09:18] <pragomer_1> hi. how can I get german keyboard layout in lubuntu's lightdm-login?
[17:12] <pair0doc> where is the best/proper location to put a startup script or edit one that runs after X is initialize but before any user logs in with lubunutu 14.04 . I have been hammer google for at least 2 hours.
[17:13] <pair0doc> I want to copy my .Xauthority (located in /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 ) to a location with user access to start x11vnc through a ssh tunnel.
[17:24] <pair0doc> testdr, busy? are you knowledgeable on startup scripts?
[17:25] <testdr> pair0doc: just connected --- what kind of startup scripts -- for lxde.. setting timeout
[17:25] <pair0doc> repost:
[17:25] <pair0doc> where is the best/proper location to put a startup script or edit one that runs after X is initialize but before any user logs in with lubunutu 14.04 . I have been hammer google for at least 2 hours.
[17:25] <pair0doc> I want to copy my .Xauthority (located in /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 ) to a location with user access to start x11vnc through a ssh tunnel.
[17:26] <testdr> pair0doc: i do something like this -- but not for a connecting ssh-user - you wanna hear?
[17:27] <pair0doc> please
[17:28] <testdr> pair0doc: i copy/create a xauthority-file in /tmp and set the XAUTHORITY environement for the new user to this location --
[17:29] <pair0doc> I can not seem to get that working by editing /etc/lxdm/default.conf
[17:29] <pair0doc> which I know is a symbolic link.
[17:31] <testdr> pair0doc: sorry - you dont know about the x-server authority? About setting the mit-magic-cookie?
[17:34] <testdr> pair0doc: xauth --- a "xauth list" displays the current x11-access-cookie -- the new user needs this to use the same x11-resources or a complete new x11-server
[17:35] <pair0doc> I think I got that. at this point I am only planning on running one X11-server.
[17:36] <pair0doc>  /etc/lxdm/default.conf has a commented line that reads xauth_path=/tmp
[17:37] <pair0doc> perhaps I looked wrong,thinking the file would still be called ':0'
[17:38] <testdr> pair0doc: no -- the normal file for a user is in his/her home-directory and called something like:  .Xauthority  (most times .. but not necessary)
[17:40] <testdr> pair0doc: if you copy this file to a place accesable for a new user, than this user can take it an use the x11-cookie to use the x11-server-services
[17:40] <pair0doc> testdr, I thought I specified, before a user logs in. I am trying to get the login/greeter.
[17:41] <testdr> pair0doc: a ssh-user connects into a running service? Or am i wrong?
[17:42] <pair0doc> the ssh daemon, but then the user starts x11vnc.
[17:43] <pair0doc> It works when I connect x11vnc to /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 but normally the user does not have access to this file.
[17:43] <pair0doc> thus the reason I wanted a script after X server initialization before user login.
[17:45] <testdr> pair0doc: sorry, i am not familiar with x11vnc -- but i dont see, why you may need the x11-login-process, the user is already logged in via ssh, why not start the x11-server without the login-session?
[17:47] <pair0doc> I think that would work. can you initialize the X11 server via ssh?
[17:52] <pair0doc> this is the one liner I use from the client
[17:53] <testdr> pair0doc: i dont get it - sorry again - have you ever tried to connect to your own x11-server over ssh? To <IP_ADDRESS> --- what "oneliner"?
[17:53] <pair0doc> ssh -p xx -C -f -L 5900:localhost:5900<EMAIL_ADDRESS>x11vnc -auth ~/.Xauth_server -safer -localhost -nopw -once -display :0 && sleep 5 && vncviewer localhost:0
[17:54] <pair0doc> you mean connect to my own x11-server via xdmcp?
[17:55] <testdr> pair0doc: the ~ substitution may not work like you want? Your local home-directory?
[17:56] <pair0doc> I can not ~/.Xauth_server file to exist. that was just a quickie out of my history.
[17:57] <Lashara> hello ?
[17:57] <Lashara> Can i ask question here about lubuntu ?
[17:58] <wxl> !ask | Lashara
[17:58] <testdr> pair0doc: sorry, i dont get it -- maybe cause i always used it the other way round, always with a local x11-server and running x11-programms via ssh on a different computer, but using my local x11-server for display and key/mouse-input
[17:59] <Lashara> Bassicaly in ubuntu mate i have the ability to set whether workspaces wrap/scroll arround using mousewheel or not... I wonder whether its possible to set this in lubuntu ?\
[18:00] <wxl> Lashara: so basically you want to use (or not use) the mousewheel to navigate through your workspaces?
[18:02] <Lashara> yes... the scrolling using mouse wheel works but the problem is that it.. lets say.. can run around ?? for example if i am at workspace 1 and scroll lets say 2 clicks it goes toks it goes to workspace 2 and then back to workspace 1, but i want it to stay at workspace 2(in case when there are only 2 workspaces)
[18:03] <wxl> that's one i'm not sure about Lashara but i can tell you the file to edit and give you some links and you can play with it. is that ok?
[18:03] <Lashara> ok
[18:03] <wxl> give me a second though
[18:03] <wxl> i'm spinning up my lubuntu vm. we use kubuntu at work.
[18:05] <Lashara> In ubuntu mate.. in workspace preferences.. i have option called - allow workspace wrap around in switcher... What would be equivilant in Lubuntu ?
[18:05] <wxl> i don't think that it's as clear as that Lashara
[18:06] <wxl> we should make a "Lubuntu tweak" app
[18:06] <wxl> ! that's a great idea actually
[18:06] <wxl> redwolf: ^
[18:06] <wxl> ok so the file is ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml lubotu1
[18:06] <wxl> oops
[18:06] <wxl> Lashara i meant
[18:07] <wxl> that controls, among other things, input bindings
[18:07] <pair0doc> testdr, I think that is more or less the same thing is it not? what would be the difference?
[18:09] <redwolf> O.O
[18:09] <wxl> i'm googling for the instructive wiki page now Lashara
[18:10] <redwolf> we already have a Lubuntu Tweak UI, but it's very limited for now
[18:10] <wxl> redwolf: you mean obconf? XD
[18:10] <redwolf> nope. "lubuntu-tweak"
[18:10] <wxl> is that a default thing and i never noticed?
[18:10]  * wxl is too used to editing files
[18:10] <redwolf> https://launchpad.net/lubuntu-tweaks
[18:11] <wxl> ah ppa
[18:11] <redwolf> it does ALL this: http://is.gd/annQiP
[18:11] <wxl> there this will help you Lashara http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Bindings
[18:11] <wxl> um, wow, redwolf
[18:11] <redwolf> LOL
[18:11] <redwolf> it's promising though :D
[18:12] <redwolf> it just needs... options :D
[18:12] <wxl> maybe i'll make a blueprint to brainstorm some ideas (i guess at this point this conversation should move to -devel)
[18:12] <redwolf> for session tweaks I recommend the other one
[18:13]  * wxl dances
[18:14] <redwolf> WildSoft, this app https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-GFLcmgYhCSM/U0_HfMV2wwI/AAAAAAAASTM/HVUcNdGMMN0/s1600/lubuntu1404-lxsession-default-apps.png is far more powerful to control the session
[18:14] <wxl> long url :/
[18:14] <WildSoft> o0
[18:14] <redwolf> (sorry for the long url)
[18:14] <redwolf> wxl, this app http://is.gd/Y4N0NM is far more powerful to control the session
[18:14] <redwolf> sorry, WildSoft, wrong ping :D
[18:15] <WildSoft> figured ;)
[18:15] <Lashara> ok thank you, ill try to see what i can do :)
[18:15] <redwolf> :)
[18:16] <wxl> Lashara: i found the option you need! http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Actions#GoToDesktop
[18:16] <wxl> <action name="GoToDesktop"><to>next</to><wrap>no</wrap></action>
[18:17] <wxl> as an example
[18:18] <redwolf> moving from one desktop to another?
[18:18] <wxl> —without wrapping
[18:19] <redwolf> I like this method :) http://lubuntu.me/tip-3d-desktop/
[18:21]  * wxl is listening to Hottah by DUBCON ♫ http://www.last.fm/music/DUBCON/_/Hottah
[18:21] <wxl> there finally sheesh
[18:21] <wxl> ok i better head to -offtopic or somewhere now XD
[18:21] <redwolf> YES
[19:32] <Lashara> still need help!!! In Ubuntu mate u can do ----> workspace->preferences->allow workspace  wrap around switcher... how do u replicate this feature in lubuntu
[19:33] <wxl> Lashara: http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Actions#GoToDesktop
[19:34] <wxl> sheesh i only have 5G
[19:35] <wxl> oops wrong channel
[19:36] <Lashara> sry for being toal noob :\ .. where do you or how do you change/execute those commands
[19:37] <wxl> Lashara: no problem. you'll need to edit ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml accordingly
[20:37] <jerbot> what is rmod? :>
[20:38] <jerbot> http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=8726 trying to get sound by rmoding and modprobing
[20:40] <jerbot> getting FATAL module /etc/modules not found
[20:52] <genii> jerbot: rmmod/rmod is remove module command. You can also use modprobe -r  to do same thing
[20:55] <genii> jerbot: /etc/modules is not a module by itself, it is a text file with module names inside the file, which are to load when the system boots
[21:03] <pleia2> jerbot: I wrote that blog post a long time ago, it should probably be taken with a grain of salt :)
[21:03] <pleia2> I know that it worked for my hardware with 12.04 in 2013, but no promises beyond that
[21:06] <jerbot> oh...
[21:06] <jerbot> well i'm on the same setup, it seems. pictures look the same (you weren't on the aluminum)....
[21:06] <pleia2> the chipsets vary, and I imagine you're not using Lubuntu 12.04
[21:06] <jerbot> so how do i modprobe the modules bc I still got no sound, no idea what to do, and upgrading to 14.04 results in a blurry scattered screen
[21:06] <jerbot> yeh i'm usin that
[21:07] <jerbot> 12.04
[21:07] <jerbot> lts
[21:07] <pleia2> wow, that's old :\
[21:07] <Unit193> jerbot: That's not an LTS for Lubuntu.
[21:07] <pleia2> is that even supported by lubuntu?
[21:07] <jerbot> 512 mb ram and 14.04 doesn't work.
[21:07] <pleia2> yeah, that
[21:07] <jerbot> it's not?
[21:08] <pleia2> no
[21:08] <pleia2> the flavors, like Lubuntu, get to choose their LTS cycle, it's not the same as Ubuntu
[21:08] <jerbot> ballz :<
[21:08] <pleia2> even Ubuntu itself only supported desktop 12.04 for 3 years
[21:08] <jerbot> so is 12.10 gonig to load without all these video issues?
[21:08] <pleia2> (server for 5)
[21:08] <pleia2> 12.10 is very much end of life too
[21:09] <pleia2> the only supported releases are 14.04, 15.04 (for a couple mor weeks) and 15.10
[21:09] <jerbot> but 15.10 isn't supported at all, right?
[21:10] <pleia2> I haven't kept up, maybe they did drop ppc support in 15.10
[21:10] <jerbot> http://superuser.com/questions/1028206/include-network-drivers-on-a-mini-cd-probook-g4-lubuntu-black-screen-with
[21:10] <jerbot> well, I just need to use the thing for document editting and emailing, you know?
[21:11] <jerbot> 12.04 works on it. is it really going to be a huge issue if support drops?
[21:11] <jerbot> I could still get a good year or 2 out of it, probably, right?
[21:11] <pleia2> support already dropped
[21:11] <pleia2> I wouldn't recommend it
[21:11] <jerbot> too many security holes?
[21:11] <pleia2> yep
[21:11] <jerbot> so 14.04 has another few years?
[21:12] <Unit193> 14.04 is supported for 3 years from date of launch.
[21:12] <jerbot> So, i got 14.04 working, kind of.  It has this blurry white screen where the desktop should be....
[21:12] <jerbot> but terminal and firefox open
[21:12] <pleia2> http://lubuntu.net/blog/lubuntu-1404-trusty-tahr-released may be of interest to you, there is a link to documentation about PPC fixes
[21:12] <pleia2> some may work for you
[21:13]  * genii slides pleia2 a plate of tasty cookies
[21:13]  * pleia2 cookie monster style
[21:13] <jerbot> maybe it's because I didn't  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1859290 kill xscreensaver and xlockmore before upgrading last time
[21:14] <jerbot> Can't I just click "upgrade to 14.04" from 12.04's package manager gui?
[21:14] <jerbot> Cause I had done that last night, and it got further than the lubuntu 14.04 alt ppc release
[21:15] <jerbot> but I did want to do the video=ofonly and didn't get a chance to do that there, either
[21:16] <jerbot> or maybe add video=ofonly after installing the system?  Because there's no network (wired or otherwise) in the system installer, due to the b43 bug.
[21:16] <jerbot> so installing otherwise must miss some update that results in the black-screen-and-cursor bug (stack article)
[21:19] <jerbot> yeah i think i'll stick to 12.04 since the background isn't insane looking
[21:21] <jerbot> but just for shoots and ladders, I'm gonna go ahead and try 14.04 from putting in the CD, again, killing those processes
[21:23] <jerbot> i dunno probably not, actually.  I know the video=ofall switch is required, and I can't bring that up from 12.04's installer dialog
[21:24] <jerbot> Is there a way to load yaboot in terminal?
[21:27] <jerbot> that bad, huh
[21:30] <genii> jerbot: You can add that video-ofall option later to the /etc/default/grub file in the line that starts GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=
[21:30] <genii> ..and then sudo update-grub


[00:07] <pcfreak2> Beta 1 anyone??
[02:13] <pdkl> when 12.04 LTS Final comes out, wll the beta automatically update to release?
[02:17] <trism> pdkl: yes, normal updates will bring you to final if you are already using the beta (or alpha)
[02:41] <KI7MT> !final
[02:43] <snadge> do you guys get access to catalyst before amd releases it?
[02:43] <snadge> ie the upcoming 12.2 release
[02:43] <snadge> there are a bunch of known issues.. and im just looking for a sign that they're acknowledged and being worked on
[02:45] <KI7MT> snadge, acknowledged by who AMD or Ubuntu Dev's?
[02:45] <snadge> ubuntu devs i think
[02:45] <snadge> there was a post about it on omgubuntu it hink
[02:45] <KI7MT> It's possible they get early acess, but I've never heard of anyone speaking of it before.
[02:46] <snadge> askubuntu rather
[02:46] <snadge> http://askubuntu.com/questions/66707/differences-between-the-2-fglrx-graphics-drivers/66711#66711
[02:46] <snadge> seek and ye shall find ;)
[02:46] <snadge> http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?69203-fglrx-12-2-is-here
[02:47] <snadge> eager to test that when i get home
[02:50] <snadge> cool the xv bug has been fixed
[03:09] <andrewaclt> Is there a known bug where icons on the unity bar show up twice rather than once as they should?
[04:07] <scientes> Generating locales...
[04:07] <scientes>   en_AG.UTF-8... done
[04:07] <scientes>   en_AU.UTF-8... done
[04:07] <scientes>   en_BW.UTF-8... done
[04:07] <scientes>   en_CA.UTF-8... done
[04:07] <scientes>   en_DK.UTF-8... done
[04:07] <scientes>   en_GB.UTF-8... done
[04:07] <scientes>   en_HK.UTF-8... done
[04:07] <scientes>   en_IE.UTF-8... done
[04:07] <scientes>   en_IN.UTF-8... done
[04:07] <scientes>   en_NG.UTF-8... done
[04:07] <scientes>   en_NZ.UTF-8... done
[04:07] <scientes>   en_PH.UTF-8... done
[04:07] <scientes>   en_SG.UTF-8... done
[04:07] <scientes>   en_US.UTF-8... up-to-date
[04:07] <scientes>   en_ZA.UTF-8... done
[04:07] <scientes>   en_ZM.UTF-8... done
[04:07] <scientes>   en_ZW.UTF-8... done
[04:07] <scientes> WTF
[04:08] <scientes> also, WTF is there so many english locales
[04:08] <scientes> i mean, its a pretty newish language without much dialectical difference
[04:09] <scientes> Installing new version of config file /etc/acpi/rotatescreen.sh ...
[04:09] <scientes> update-rc.d: warning: /etc/init.d/acpi-support missing LSB information
[04:09] <scientes> update-rc.d: see <http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts>
[04:09] <scientes> Setting up acpi-support (0.139) ...
[04:44] <oooaaaooo> hi guys, how hard is it to dual boot ubuntu/win 7 with grub2 as the bootloader?
[04:45] <bazhang> oooaaaooo, not hard at all
[04:46] <oooaaaooo> any good urls?
[04:46] <bazhang> !grub2 | oooaaaooo
[04:46] <oooaaaooo> cool thnx
[05:19] <hawke_> OK, so…is there a way to type in a username at the login screen of lightdm in Ubuntu Precise?
[05:24] <hawke_> I can only see the login accounts of local users, and there’s no way that I can find to type in a custom username
[05:45] <scientes> Bus 005 Device 002: ID 413c:8136 Dell Computer Corp. Wireless 5520 Cingular Mobile Broadband (3G HSDPA) Minicard Diagnostics Port
[05:48] <KI7MT> Is there a way to add things to the top bar in 12.04 like system monitors?
 How do i use 3G?
 celthunder: I have no idea how to copy it from the black and white text screen.
 ive got a del 5520
 it shows up in network manager but when i click On/off it stays off
 does it need a sim card slot?
[05:51] <scientes> ^^there is the lsusb
[05:52] <scientes> should it show up in ip link?
[05:53] <scientes> is it just that i don't have a sim card or an atenna
[05:53] <scientes> no help here https://live.gnome.org/NetworkManager/MobileBroadband
[06:28] <AnAnt> Hello, how do I configure my locale (user-specific not system wide) ?
[06:54] <scientes> anant system settings from the upper-right menu
[06:54] <scientes> longuages or something like that
[06:54] <scientes> for command line you set LANG in your .bashrc
[06:56] <scientes> omg "starting anac(h)ronistic cron
[06:56] <scientes> wtf did that come from
[07:03] <scientes> nvm
[07:22] <Edico> is there a package for aptana studio?
[07:27] <Fyodorovna> info aptana studio
[07:27] <Fyodorovna> !info aptana studio
[07:30] <Edico> Fyodorovna, I mean if there is a package in repos
[07:32] <Fyodorovna> !aptana
[07:32] <Fyodorovna> !info aptana
[07:33] <Fyodorovna> Edico, the bot does not everything, but IO saw no indicator on the web for anything in any releases lately. I didn't search exhaustively though
[07:33] <Fyodorovna> I*
[07:42] <Edico> there are still problems with the icons in the left panel
[07:43] <Edico> also launching some applications from the left panel
[07:44] <Edico> if put an icon for tvtime in the left panel, I can't open it
[07:44] <Edico> that's only an example
[07:46] <Edico> I launch aptana from an executable file, if I do a shortcut in the left panel doesn't work to launch it
[07:48] <Edico> also a bad thing in unity is that I can't have too much icons in the left panel
[07:48] <Edico> or launcher (how is named)
[07:48] <Fyodorovna> Edico, I use synapse to finds apps myself.
[07:49] <Fyodorovna> some use another panel like docky I forget the other ones name
[07:50] <Fyodorovna> I switched to gnome 3 though.
[07:51] <scientes> you can also use packages.ubuntu.com/PACKAGE
[07:51] <scientes> and it will do a search
[07:51] <scientes> thats what i typically actually end up using
[07:51] <scientes> + packages.debian.org
[07:51] <scientes> i don't know why i dont use my local stuff
[07:52] <scientes> i guess it just takes too long to start up aptitude
[08:10] <eitch> locking the screen doesn't work on my precise installation with all updates installed. Can someone tell me for which package i should file a bug report? Or is this already known and no bug report is required?
[09:11] <alkisg> In gnome-fallback session (it might be the same in other sessions like gnome-shell too) if I press the print screen keyboard key, I get a "photograph taken" sound. But where can I find the screenshot in the file system?!
[09:12] <alkisg> Found them, at ~/Pictures
[09:21] <jo-erlend> is it just that I haven't upgraded in a little while, or did we get a huge bundle of upgrades today?
[09:21] <ActionParsnip> jo-erlend: i got a good few
[09:21] <jo-erlend> ActionParsnip, ~300?
[09:22] <jo-erlend> it was 650MB downloads for me.
[09:22] <dr_willis> yesterday i noticed several
[09:22] <ActionParsnip> i just upgraded my beta live session from CD to current and it was a lot
[09:22] <dr_willis> perhaps 200mb
[09:22] <jo-erlend> ah, I have Battle of Wesnoth :)
[09:22] <dr_willis> i tend to update about every 4 days
[09:24] <hp> Ok
[09:24] <encrypt> hi, anybody has problems with scrolling?? has been working only in reverse for a while
[09:25] <ActionParsnip> encrypt: usb mouse? touchpad?
[09:25] <ActionParsnip> encrypt: does the system have a make and model?
[09:25] <encrypt> touchpad, synaptics
[09:25] <encrypt> synaptics, the model dunno
[09:26] <ActionParsnip> encrypt: like a USB external touchpad then?
[09:26] <encrypt> but same behaviour with the mouse
[09:26] <encrypt> no no, its not usb
[09:27] <encrypt> im using ubuntu-desktop package on top of xubuntu, but dont think thats an issue
[09:27] <ActionParsnip> encrypt: http://www.andybarratt.co.uk/lion-like-scrolling-on-ubuntu-inverse-scrolling-on-linux
[09:27] <hp> When i run sudo apt-get update in newest kubuntu, i get errors
[09:28] <ActionParsnip> hp: can you pastebin the text please
[09:28] <hp> same in ubuntu
[09:28] <ActionParsnip> hp: thats because the underlying package system is 100%  identical
[09:28] <hp> I now run older kubuntu
[09:29] <hp> Fuck, /nick Catopette
[09:30] <ActionParsnip> Catopette: i had 2 refs to the install cd in sources.list in my beta livecd, if that's what you meant earlier...
[09:30] <Catopette> I did try to run apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:30] <ActionParsnip> Catopette: if you can pastebin the text, we can advise...
[09:30] <Catopette> That is what i ment
[09:30] <Catopette> yes
[09:30] <ActionParsnip> Catopette: i suggest you report a bug
[09:31] <Catopette> I do not run the newest now, i have older and it is ok here
[09:31] <Catopette> Does ubuntu have similar to BT5?
[09:32] <dr_willis> huh?
[09:33] <Catopette> BT5 = BackTrack 5
[09:33] <dr_willis> yes... but your question made no sence
[09:33] <Catopette> no sence?
[09:34] <dr_willis> ubuntu have similer to bt5.... makes little sence to m e
[09:34] <Catopette> Ubuntus version of BT5 is named?
[09:35] <dr_willis> bt5 is a distro.
[09:35] <Catopette> I know
[09:35] <Catopette> A distro for hacking
[09:35] <dr_willis> so clarify what you mean..
[09:35] <ActionParsnip> its also not supported here
[09:36] <Catopette> Join me at bt5
[09:36] <Guest30956> i think i found a bug
[09:36] <ActionParsnip> i have no interest in the distro
[09:36] <ActionParsnip> Guest30956: then report it :)
[09:36] <dr_willis> i dont care about bt either.
[09:37] <Guest30956> i don't know exactly how
[09:37] <ActionParsnip> Guest30956: run:  ubuntu-bug packageame
[09:37] <dr_willis> most people i see using bt.. really shouldent be using it... ;)
[09:37] <Catopette> "/join #bt5"
[09:37] <ActionParsnip> Guest30956: change packagename for the affected package
[09:37] <ActionParsnip> Catopette: it's #backtrack-linux
[09:37] <Guest30956> well is decpp under wine
[09:37] <Catopette> Ok
[09:37] <Guest30956> that crushes the xrdp connection
[09:37] <Guest30956> so
[09:38] <Guest30956> i have compiled xrdp
[09:38] <ActionParsnip> Guest30956: i'd ask in #winehq first
[09:38] <Catopette> Is it possible to fully install win under wine?
[09:38] <dr_willis> wine does not run windows os.. it runs apps
[09:38] <Guest30956> wine is a emulator not a virtualization software
[09:38] <dr_willis> its not technically an emulator
[09:41] <ActionParsnip> Catopette: you can run win98 and Win95 under dosbox
[09:42] <ActionParsnip> Guest30956: no, wine is not an emulator. It's what Wine stands for!
[09:42] <ActionParsnip> (W)ine (I)s (N)ot an (E)mulator
[09:43] <dr_willis> an emulator and a 'virtulazation software' are almost the same thing in may ways - under my definition ;)
[09:43] <ActionParsnip> i'm going by what the wine team say :D
[09:44] <hp> I need to make an restore partition on this computer, linux restore, howto?
[09:44] <encrypt> actioparnship: that worked, thanks. Scrolling properly now
[09:45] <hp> ,
[09:45] <hp> ,
[09:46] <dr_willis> mondo/mindi can make a restore dvd set.. ot sure about a partition
[09:46] <FernandoMiguel> morning
[09:46] <encrypt> another question, is there a way to index my music collection to the lense in the dash? its badly empty
[09:47] <hp> sudo apt-get install mondo?
[09:47] <dr_willis> read the mondo/mindi docs/homepage. its a fancy app
[09:47] <dr_willis> !backup
[09:52] <hp> Now i try to make restore DVD, but..... Does this make restore partition then?
[09:54] <hp> HELP "FATAL ERROR. Filesystem UNSUPPORTED not supported for initrd image. Terminating.
[09:54] <hp> "
[09:54] <dr_willis> what are you refering to?
[09:55] <hp> dr_willis, do you have a ftp?
[09:56] <hp> Need to ftp you the log
[09:56] <dr_willis> log of what?
[09:57] <dr_willis> theres pastebin services
[09:57] <hp> mindi
[09:57] <hp> pastebin ok?
[09:57] <dr_willis> ive not used mondo/mindi in 4+ years
[09:58] <hp> I try to apt-get remove mondo and install it again,
[09:59] <dr_willis> err.. why do you think that would help?
[10:00] <hp> I get this "FATAL ERROR. Filesystem UNSUPPORTED not supported for initrd image. Terminating."
[10:00] <hp> wrong initrd?
[10:00] <dr_willis> error when exactly?
[10:03] <hp> WARNING: No Hardware support for HP Compaq 6710b (GB892ET#ABN)
[10:03] <hp> dr_willis
[10:03] <dr_willis> hmm?
[10:11] <hp> Is there another program for make restore than mondo?
[10:12] <dr_willis> !backup
[10:12] <hp> I do not need backup, i need to build restore partition
[10:14] <hp> When you install Windows from DVD, it makes restorepartition, this is what i need
[10:16] <dr_willis> i always delete the restore patitions..
[10:16] <hp> I don't
[10:16] <dr_willis> you can set up grub2 to boot an iso file from hd also
[10:17] <hp> how
[10:17] <hp> rw to?
[10:17] <dr_willis> i normsally add an entry to the grub configs. or the /etc/grub.d/40_custome file
[10:18] <hp> Ok
[10:18] <hp> But, i want a partition for restore, and need to make it, howto, it seems thet mondo does not work on my computer
[10:21] <hp> Setter opp gcc (4:4.4.4-1ubuntu2)
[10:21] <hp> n
[10:21] <hp> n
[10:22] <hp> Nick does not work, huh?
[10:22] <dr_willis> what?
[10:23] <hp> I run /nick Catopette, does not work
[10:24] <hp> hp is the name of my computer
[10:25] <hp> backup: could not find entry ; Can't find cell localhost's hosts in /etc/openafs/CellServDB
[10:25] <hp> backup: Can't get cell configuration information ; Can't initialize backup
[10:25] <hp> Does anything work at all?
[11:12] <tokarbol> Can you tell me what's wrong with the main/universe interoperation?
[11:13] <tokarbol> launchpad bug #731942
[11:13] <tokarbol> universe packages seem to link with different libdb than the main packages
[11:13] <tokarbol> it happened in lucid, dunno about the distros in between
[11:13] <tokarbol> but in precise it's still there
[11:15] <tokarbol> actually there is more
[11:15] <tokarbol> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libpam-ccreds/+bug/731918
[11:15] <tokarbol> it seems that precise links libpam-ccreds against libdb4.8
[11:16] <tokarbol> while in main there's libdb5.1
[11:16] <tokarbol> I don't see a reason why all packages wouldn't link with libdb5.1,
[11:16] <tokarbol> at this point I think that main packages link to libdb5.1, universe to libdb4.8
[11:17] <tokarbol> is there some reason behind it?
[11:22] <tokarbol> The source for both libpam-ccreds and nss-updatedb just build-depend on libdb-dev
[11:22] <tokarbol> so when building these will link to the berkeley db available on the build machine
[11:23] <tokarbol> if the build machine has libdb5.1-dev, the built packages will have libdb5.1 in binary deps
[11:23] <tokarbol> is it so that the universe packages are built on a different machine? Why does it have libdb4.8, not libdb5.1?
[11:24] <tokarbol> Anyone?
[11:26] <Trewas> because it (libpam-ccreds) has not been rebuilt in a couple of years, and probably lidb4.8 was the default then
[11:27] <tokarbol> not true, all the packages are rebuilt against each distro
[11:27] <tokarbol> there has not been much code change, that's a different story
[11:28] <tokarbol> (if any code change at all)
[11:28] <Trewas> the version is the same for last three releases, and I don't think universe is auto-built for each new distro release
[11:29] <tokarbol> I believe it is - otherwise there would be a dazillion bug reports with ABI compatibility issues.
[11:30] <Trewas> *shrug* debian doesn't at least, and they seem to be doing fine
[11:31] <tokarbol> well, this may be the case for debian unstable/testing, but I think that the packages are recompiled for stable
[11:32] <tokarbol> I am trying to find the build logs for this package
[11:32] <Trewas> no, stable is just a renamed testing, definitely without full rebuild between calling it "testing" and "stable"
[11:35] <tokarbol> wow, you might be right WRT this package
[11:38] <XVampireX> folks I have a terrible problem with the HUD
[11:38] <XVampireX> It's popping up randomly when I try to change language
[11:38] <XVampireX> (alt+shift)
[11:38] <XVampireX> it's so annoying
[11:39] <tokarbol> Thanks, Trewas, that was an eye-opener.
[11:40] <XVampireX> If there's any chance to..... either change the alt button to maybe a combination key?
[11:41] <XVampireX> Uhm, which I think it is :D
[11:49] <skmsmslk> how to upgrade 11.10 to 12.04
[11:50] <XVampireX> skmsmslk, http://askubuntu.com/questions/110477/how-do-i-upgrade-ubuntu-to-12-04
[11:59] <xgt001> hi
[12:00] <dr_willis> moo!
[12:01] <xgt001> this may sound like a nooby question, but why does ubuntu start churning out the fans when playing videos? I am using vaapi hw accelaration as well
[12:03] <bazhang> !info wine
[12:04] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:36] <Catopette> wine
[13:19] <glosoli> I can reply to launchpad right from my Email??
[13:20] <tsimpson> as long as the email address is registered with launchpad (which is likely is if you're receiving mail from it)
[13:21] <khamer> I've run into bug 939768 (Can't use ctrl+space to bring up guake in Precise) and I'm trying to research to see if there's  workaround; I expect it has something to do with interpreting ctrl 'Primary' now?
[13:22] <glosoli> tsimpson: thanks :)
[13:30] <khamer> Anyone know what packages changes are related to how modifier keys/shortcuts are detected? (i.e., Primary for control)
[13:46] <AbaddonSatanic> sometimes when i login via xrdp i get an bug submitting report related to unity
[13:48] <FlipStonE> hello here... nobody had the problem that after upgrade ubuntu to 12.04, video won't work anymore?  When i play video, screen goes black and ubuntu goes to lightdm to login again...
[13:50] <glosoli> anyone here uses ATI ?
[13:58] <FlipStonE> glosoli yh me, bur also having probs :p
[14:01] <glosoli> FlipStonE:  :( it uses Unity 2D
[14:01] <glosoli> when you built drivers yes ?
[14:02] <FlipStonE> i'm now busy on instally proprietary drivers... i let you know...
[14:02] <glosoli> FlipStonE: Well you are builting them or using jockey  ?
[14:02] <FlipStonE> building...
[14:03] <glosoli> I am so tired of this ATI shit.
[14:03] <glosoli> it makes me so hard to use ubuntu
[14:05] <FlipStonE> yh, thinking about nvidea :-)
[14:05] <FlipStonE> ok, i try now...
[14:05] <ScG^Dedicated> ati here
[14:05] <ScG^Dedicated> no problems
[14:05] <glosoli> ScG^Dedicated: Got working built drivers ? or you using the old and slow ones from jockey
[14:05] <glosoli>  ?
[14:06] <ScG^Dedicated> no idea I use a VM so I think I use default
[14:06] <glosoli> So you don't use ati drivers
[14:06] <glosoli> you use open source ones then
[14:06] <glosoli> :)
[14:06] <ScG^Dedicated> i gues :P
[14:07] <glosoli> ATI just wastes my time.
[14:14] <FlipStonE> ok, with proprietary drivers i can now play video... unity3d still not working...
[14:18] <glosoli> FlipStonE: same problem
[14:18] <glosoli> >> /join #ati
[14:18] <glosoli> i am trying to get help for that problem
[14:29] <h00k> huh, occasionally when I pull the HUD up, the application I'm using will snap to center-screen
[16:39] <NOSaturn> how do i set the primary monitor - so that new windows open on the right monitor and not the left? I have an intel graphics ship, so the nvidia tool won't apply. i'm on 12.04 and it's worse than on 11.10
[16:41] <dr_willis> I find 12.04 much improved.
[16:43] <NOSaturn> it is, but the dual monitor "improvements" dont see to be improved
[16:44] <dr_willis> My desk is to small for 2 monitors at this time
[16:44] <dr_willis> Guess i could hange one on the wall. :)
[16:46] <NOSaturn> :) i know i'm lucky. it makes up for the crappy inbuilt display on the laptop
[16:58] <delight> http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ out of sync ? many debs ain't synced while the repo indexes are on pointing to new debs.
[16:58] <delight> Err http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main nvidia-common i386 1:0.2.40
[16:58] <delight>   404  Not Found
[17:05] <ikonia> delight: talk to the mirror owner
[17:05] <delight> ikonia: who is that ?
[17:05] <ikonia> he may not be syncing the dev repo
[17:05] <ikonia> delight: look on the mirrors page
[17:05] <ikonia> he may have made a mistake
[17:06] <delight> ikonia: it worked up till yesterday ... so it must be some problem
[17:06] <ikonia> ok, so either a.) contact the maintainer b.) wait for it to be fixed
[17:08] <FernandoMiguel> delight: http://paste.ubuntu.com/874830/ use the MIRROR part on that list
[17:08] <FernandoMiguel> it will pick one of the available close to you
[17:09] <ldiamond> in Ubuntu 12.04, is there an alternative to Unity? Something more similar to gnome classic?
[17:09] <dr_willis> the classic thing is still there i belive. or use gnome-shell
[17:10] <dr_willis> or install some other desktop. lubuntu, xfce, or whatever.
[17:10] <ldiamond> but isn't gnome-shell basically the same?
[17:10] <dr_willis> gnome0-shell has a fallback mode i recall.
[17:10] <dr_willis> I dont use the fallback/classic modes..  gnome-2 is dead.. time to move on. :)
[17:10] <dr_willis> if i wanted an old-skool desktop id use Lubuntu
[17:10] <philinux> ldiamond: http://www.webupd8.org/2012/02/more-classic-gnome-session-lands-in.html
[17:11] <philinux> That is gnome 3
[17:11] <ldiamond> philinux, so your point is that Unity isn't as retarded in 12.04?
[17:12] <dr_willis> theres work on some gnome-2 type theme/stuff for gnome-3
[17:12] <ldiamond> and that I should give it a second chance?
[17:12] <dr_willis> Unity works fine for me in 12.04
[17:12] <dr_willis> do what you want. :)
[17:12] <valdur55> and there is HUD
[17:12] <dr_willis> its very possible that in the NEXT release 12.10 that the failsafe/fallback stuff may eventually get removed.
[17:12] <dr_willis> it was supposed to be a stop-gap measure.
[17:13] <philinux> ldiamond: This is very useful. Myunity 3.0 http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/02/unity-tweaking-tool-gets-new-look-new-features/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+d0od+%28OMG!+Ubuntu!%29
[17:13] <ldiamond> I dunno, seemed like in 11.04, Unity was just missing everything I liked about gnome.
[17:14]  * dr_willis recalls how much the old gnome was missing from all the earlier window managers/desktops that he liked.
[17:14] <philinux> ldiamond: if you want the old look then lubuntu maybe it for you or xfce instead
[17:15] <ldiamond> I dunno, seemed like xfce was years behind gnome2
[17:15] <philinux> ldiamond: not any more
[17:15] <ldiamond> and that I every time something was missing I had to spend ages to add the feature
[17:15]  * dr_willis wonders if theres any screen saver config settings in 12.04 :)
[17:16] <ldiamond> alright, I'll give Unity a shot in 12.04.
[17:16] <ldiamond> Otherwise I might just go with Linux Mint, though I don't know what they'll end up doing... fork gnome2 maybe?
[17:17] <philinux> dr_willis: the package gnome-screensaver is still there
[17:18] <dr_willis> but are there any actual settings. :)
[17:19] <dr_willis> I recall for ages under gnome2 you couldent set much of anything in the screen saver settings.
[17:19] <dr_willis> of course im so old i rember  the big 'ximian gnome fork'  chaos and fun. :)
[17:21] <quantumlemur> I'm interested in undervolting my cpu, but from what I've read online, you have to use a patched kernel, and it hasn't been done yet with 12.04 (linux-PHC).  does anyone have any experience/
[17:24] <Cenbe> Hi, just installed beta 1 of Precise, but can't get software updates or installs ("failed to fetch...", "file format not recognized...").
[17:24] <Cenbe> Anybody else having this problem?
[17:34] <ScG^Dedicated> Cenbe I do not have that problem
[17:34] <Cenbe> grrr
[17:54] <bazhang> Cenbe, whats the exact error? was it 404 not found or something else
[17:57] <ironhalik> anyone knows where I can disable my LAN adapter from Ubuntu?
[17:57] <ironhalik> to completely turn it off
[17:58] <philinux> ironhalik: do you mean temporarily disable networking
[18:00] <ironhalik> well, I want to disable eth0 adapter, but leave wlan0
[18:00] <ironhalik> Dell's drivers for windows did just that, on battery power they completely disabled LAN interface
[18:04] <scar3crow> having problems compiling vmware modules... help?
[18:05] <roothorick> what package name do I use for sound drivers?
[18:05] <roothorick> (when reporting a bug)
[18:06] <erujolc> installed ubuntu 12.04 beta 1, did apt-get update and upgrade etc.. reboot several times, but cant seem to activate amd drivers, system tells me it using VESA:RV635 atm..
[18:07] <roothorick> does Xorg.0.log say anything about a "radeon" or "radeonhd" driver?
[18:08] <philinux> ironhalik: I'm not a networking guy but I remember this sudo ifdown eth0, ifup enables it again
[18:08] <ironhalik> philinux: yeah, but Im not sure if it powers down the adapter
[18:08] <roothorick> since we're talking about networking, is there a way to temporarily give an interface a static IP in a way that network manager is "aware" of it?
[18:09] <ironhalik> thanks though
[18:09] <roothorick> if I just use ifconfig networkmanager eventually disables the interface on me
[18:10] <erujolc> roothrick, graphics are sluggish and Settings --> Details --> Graphics say Experience: Standard, Driver: VESA:RV635, will check Xorg.0.log
[18:11] <erujolc> nothing
[18:11] <roothorick> it doesn't even try to load radeonhd?
[18:12] <erujolc> oh wait. i just greped for radeon, will pastebin now looks like a stack trace
[18:14] <roothorick> the DRI status matrix says your card should be mostly supported, good enough for Unity at least
[18:15] <erujolc> im having a bad moment, all my shortcuts from urxvt/archlinux arent here how do I copy from gnome-terminal
[18:16] <erujolc> http://pastebin.com/bXEMCAms
[18:16] <erujolc> roothorick, out of interest how did you know what card i had?
[18:16] <roothorick> RV635 :)
[18:17] <erujolc> ah.. paranoia set in a moment admittedly :)
[18:17] <roothorick> most videocards have two names, the sales name e.g. Radeon HD 3600 and the chip name e.g. RV635
[18:18] <roothorick> driver developers usually work with chip name as that's what's on the datasheet, if one exists
[18:18] <roothorick> I see elsewhere in that log though, fglrx is loading just fine...
[18:19] <roothorick> take another look at that log. Any errors from fglrx?
[18:19] <roothorick> There'll be a pisston of II and == but is there any EE?
[18:21] <erujolc> nothing obvious at the moment, trying after restart as this time hasnt crashed control panel changing a setting.. 2m
[18:22] <Cenbe> bazhang: "failed to fetch... no entry in release file", "file format not recognized", "GPG error... doesn't start with a clearsigned message"...
[18:22] <Cenbe> I have a good network connection.
[18:23] <bazhang> Cenbe, delight was complaining of some thing similar a bit earlier.
[18:23] <bazhang> I think it is not strictly a 12.04 issue but repos in general as I get the same and I am on 11.04
[18:23] <Cenbe> Too bad, I'd like to have a look at it.
[18:28] <bazhang> 403 forbidden on the chromium browser update/upgrade
[18:28] <bazhang> !gpgerr
[18:29] <philinux> Cenbe: Might be better to pastebin the errors and your source.list
[18:30] <philinux> Cenbe: from sudo apt-get update
[18:38] <Cenbe> sources.list: http://pastebin.com/uUsnMAbA
[18:38] <Cenbe> output of apt-get update: http://pastebin.com/nvSbDysG
[18:52] <matt__> 23 restart finally booted with amd/ati graphic enabled and dual screen. it seems to freeze for 0.5sec often though. i have the launcher bar on two screen but two desktops, from reading askubuntu.com this shouldnt be the case (it seems unity is confuseD?)
[18:52] <ironhalik> Hmm, how could I access gps module from my linux box?
[18:53] <ironhalik> when its not usb based, but pcie
[19:02] <kanliot> man i'm having this problem where sometimes lines don't print in gnome-terminal if the program only outputs a single line.  its so damn annoying!
[19:05] <Cenbe> Actually, I often have trouble with software updates on Kubuntu. I have the "delete and re-create /var/lib/apt/lists" trick memorized.
[19:07] <dr_willis> cant say ive ever had that issue Cenbe
[19:08] <kanliot> maybe it's a bad package that you don't have
[19:19] <blafoo> Hello! I've some Problems with Kubuntu 12.04 beta and Bluetooth. Although I've activated Bluetooth in th system settings I can't connect to any of my Bluetooth devices: Samsung SGH-U800 or Logitech M55b. With Kubuntu 11.04 (on an other mashine) both work. What to do to make them work with 12.04b? (Used hardware with Kubuntu 12.04b: Asus Zenbook UX31E)
[19:20] <Cenbe> kanliot: this is a fresh install of 12.04 beta 1
[20:13] <Cenbe> Packaging problems just went away by themselves, I'm thinking server maintenance.
[21:18] <ratcheer> Can the new Catalyst 12.2 driver work with Precise and support 3D?
[21:21] <tojochacko> While upgrading to Precise(12.04) from Oneiric(11.10) my computer rebooted. After that my unity session won't start. Somehow I managed to explicitly start the unity session using 'startx' command and finish my upgrade. Now everytime my computer reboots, I need to issue the 'startx' command else my Unity won't start. Can someone please help me with this issue?
[21:22] <trism> tojochacko: are lightdm and unity-greeter installed?
[21:26] <ratcheer> I will word my problem differently. I installed Catalyst 12.2 on Ubuntu 12.04. It now runs Unity2D instead of Unity. I have verified in Xorg.0.log that the new 64-bit driver is loaded. Is there a way to get into regular 3D Unity with this driver?
[21:34] <tojochacko> While upgrading to Precise(12.04) from Oneiric(11.10) my computer rebooted. After that my unity session won't start. Somehow I managed to explicitly start the unity session using 'startx' command and finish my upgrade. Now everytime my computer reboots, I need to issue the 'startx' command else my Unity won't start. Can someone please help me with this issue?
[21:36] <Fyodorovna> tojochacko, upgrading to a development was not your finest hour. :)
[21:37] <tojochacko> every thing has a first time and this is one of my first that i m upgrading when OS is in beta
[21:37] <tojochacko> :)
[21:40] <FernandoMiguel> anyone else having GPU crashes ?
[21:40] <tojochacko> is there a fix for my issue ?
[21:40] <Fyodorovna> alphs beta no matter don't do it unless you clone the original.
[21:41] <Fyodorovna> I have no fix others may.
[22:13] <glosoli> why there is 12.2 deb for debian repos and no for ubuntu http://packages.debian.org/sid/fglrx-driver ?
[22:14] <glosoli> who the hell is responsible for fglrx in ubuntu ?
[22:32] <glosoli> anyone here knows where I can find the lazy person who is responsible for fglrx in ubuntu ?
[22:37] <yofel> glosoli: probably to be found in #ubuntu-x, but note that in ubuntu the fglrx version is used, not the catalyst version
[22:37] <glosoli> fglrx version is 2 versions out of date
[22:38]  * yofel has no idea how to match 12.2 to 8.911
[22:38] <glosoli> 12.2 950
[22:38] <glosoli> 8.950
[22:38] <yofel> ah, ok, makes sense :)
[22:38] <glosoli> 12.1 - 8.930
[22:39] <glosoli> that shit has 11.11 :/
[22:39] <snadge> 12.2 was just released.. i installed it yesterday
[22:39] <snadge> the window title issue is still there
[22:39] <glosoli> snadge: from BIN
[22:39] <glosoli> snadge: BIN doesn't work for everyone
[22:40] <glosoli> i mean I can't build debs and just install it
[22:40] <glosoli> it doesn't work
[22:40] <glosoli> forces unity 2d for me
[22:40] <glosoli> so I had to sh bin file and use ati automated installation but any new kernel or mesa
[22:40] <glosoli> will break my setup
[22:40] <snadge> --buildpkg Ubuntu/precise works for me
[22:40] <glosoli> snadge: didin't for me :) would you mind showing me steps you followed ?
[22:41] <glosoli> snadge: in btw give me link to windows title bug, wana make it +1 for affect
[22:41] <snadge> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[22:41] <snadge> ok
[22:42] <snadge> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/770283
[22:42] <snadge> This bug affects you and 67 other people
[22:42] <snadge> lol
[22:43] <glosoli> snadge: do you have max min close hover effect for now maximized windows ?
[22:43] <snadge> im using unity2d atm
[22:55] <glosoli> snadge: are you still here ?
[23:01] <UrB> anyone here have this on your computer? ID 0a5c:201e Broadcom Corp. IBM Integrated Bluetooth IV
[23:02] <UrB> I'd need help to verify if my hw is broken or whether bluetooth is not working due to software
[23:26] <aljosa> had good support for intel card (macbook air) when i installed beta1, after dist-upgrade stuff degraded. anybody knows what happened?
[23:44] <smallfoot-> i click on "switch user" in gnome-panel (classic) and it dont work
[23:59] <Daekdroom> smallfoot-, file a bug report