[01:41] <ahoneybun> darn web interface, I can't see who is here
[01:49] <ScottK> No one.  Everyone is sleeping.
[04:08] <manchicken> JontheEchidna: I resubmitted the proposal.
[05:49] <ScottK> Need to make sure 3f86351c2082cbcabc897dfceac95496b7876cf0 gets reverted from kdepim before the RC packages get released (see KDE release ML).
[07:54] <apachelogger_> so
[07:54] <apachelogger_> kf5 workspace fails because of xcb missing
[07:54] <apachelogger_> and plasma because of idunno
[08:02] <Quintasan> \o
[08:18]  * apachelogger_ looks at Quintasan
[09:02] <nandi1> hi
[09:22] <apachelogger_> right then
[09:22] <apachelogger_> I am too stupid to add gpg keys to launchpad
[09:32] <kidx> hello guys any one know how to downgrade from 4.11 beta 2? back to 13.04 version or stable?
[09:33] <apachelogger_> ScottK: rdieter was nice enough to push the qreal fix for calligra upstream already :)
[09:34] <apachelogger_> kidx: downgrades are not supported
[09:35] <kidx> so how do i fix teh panel disapearing so often
[09:35] <kidx> other than that i am fine
[09:35] <apachelogger_> #kde can help I guess
[09:35] <kidx> also that crashes the desktop
[09:35] <apachelogger_> well, it's beta, crashes are bound to happen ;)
[09:35] <apachelogger_> but really #kde may be best about the panel thing, and for the crashes usually reporting bugs helps
[09:37] <kidx> i did
[09:37] <kidx> and in KDE now
[09:37] <kidx> thanks alot
[09:48] <Riddell> !testers | alpha 2 candidates http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/299/builds
[09:48] <soee> apachelogger_, he can use ppapurge
[09:48] <Riddell> !testers
[09:48] <Riddell> hmm
[09:48] <soee> purge beta ppa than install kubuntu-desktop
[09:53] <apachelogger_> soee: it's unsupported.
[09:53] <apachelogger_> upstream, downstream any stream reallly
[09:59] <apachelogger_> yofel: builder now supports signing, requires setting KEYID in the codez
[10:00] <apachelogger_> also there's now ~neon-builder through which go uploads
[10:00] <apachelogger_> also qt5 for raring is trying to build
[10:08] <Quintasan> apachelogger_: what is this neon-builder?
[10:13] <apachelogger_> the thing that creates the qt5 source
[10:41] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion opencv <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:41] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1204059
[11:24] <yofel> apachelogger_: fixed workspace, but plasma hasn't been building anymore since mid-akademy (even with frameworks etc. built from git)
[11:30] <apachelogger_> yofel: getting broken all the time
[11:30] <apachelogger_> libs is changing too much apparently
[11:30] <apachelogger_> which is a good thing I reckon
[11:31] <yofel> yeah, it was either breaking on libs itself, or on ECM being behind libs
[12:30] <kidx> is there any preformance tweaks i can do to opengl or KDE to gain a preformace boost in game?
[12:57] <apachelogger_> out of space \o/
[12:57] <apachelogger_> kidx: is it a fullscreen game?
[12:57] <kidx> yes
[12:57] <kidx> somtimes lags or stutters
[13:00] <apachelogger_> ctrl-shift-f12 before starting the game, if that makes things better then the game prevents kwin from automatically doing this, so I'd talk to the game developers
[13:00] <apachelogger_> also #kde is still the place to go for support on KDE stuff :P
[13:02] <kidx> is this no kubuntu
[13:02] <kidx> KDE ubuntu
[13:02] <kidx> ??
[13:04] <Riddell> kubuntu support in #kubuntu
[13:04] <apachelogger_> Riddell: activity suggests otherwise
[13:05] <apachelogger_> yofel: ppa now all filled up :P
[13:05] <apachelogger_> shadeslayer's going to look into space bump
[13:05] <shadeslayer> as soon as I get some coffee first
[13:06] <apachelogger_> ecm should still fit in I guess
[13:06] <apachelogger_> *try*
[13:40] <apachelogger_> Riddell: why was 'investigate packaging sddm' abandoned/postponed?
[13:41] <Riddell> was it?
[13:41] <yofel> I remember david saying something like it's little value to us right now or so
[13:41] <Riddell> hum
[13:41] <yofel> apachelogger_: do you have the session recording? (if that worked?)
[13:43] <apachelogger_> right, yes, sorta
[13:43] <shadeslayer> yep, what yofel said
[13:43] <shadeslayer> do you remember what we decided about running tests?
[13:43] <apachelogger_> at one point I forgot to resume and at another point a Qt build decided to OOM my machine
[13:43] <apachelogger_> so, I should have recordings just not complete ^^
[13:43] <apachelogger_> Riddell: I added a comment regardless
[13:44] <apachelogger_> our xcb would be too old
[13:44] <yofel> shadeslayer: value/cost not good enough as build.kde.org runs them
[13:44] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:44] <shadeslayer> right, thanks for refreshing my memory
[13:46] <apachelogger_> hm
[13:46] <apachelogger_> recording is weird
[13:46] <apachelogger_> it recorded per user Oo
[13:46] <apachelogger_> perhaps I should have RTFM first :O
[13:47] <Riddell> topicdiff 13.10 Alpha 2 testing
[13:49] <shadeslayer> bad apachelogger_
[14:00] <yofel> which reminds me I need to kill of the tests in neon too -  they've been running pointlessly for long enough
[14:03] <apachelogger_> .95 is rc1, right?
[14:04] <yofel> right
[14:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: how much space do we want?
[14:14] <apachelogger_> shadeslayer: 10 I'd say
[14:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: surely 32 GB's like neon4 would be too much
[14:14] <shadeslayer> yeah
[14:14] <apachelogger_> perhaps also make it clear that its transitional
[14:14] <apachelogger_> and the long term goal is to replace the current neon ppa with the content of what we have in kf5
[14:14] <apachelogger_> might make it easier to give us the bump :)
[14:14] <Riddell> ScottK: bug 1079150 updated
[14:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/232910
[14:18] <shadeslayer> my mouse is all weird
[14:22] <apachelogger_> shadeslayer: thx
[14:22]  * apachelogger_ totally management handled kmix release issues \\o/
[14:22] <apachelogger_> all managed out now... I shall go for a swim
[14:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: wait
[14:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: do you have stuff that needs doing in KF5
[14:23] <apachelogger_> not on the build side, no
[14:23] <shadeslayer> okay
[14:24] <apachelogger_> it keeps failing due to upstream changero and raring is blocked on space
[14:24] <shadeslayer> okay
[14:25] <apachelogger_> (also assuming there are no package name diffs between raring and saucy, raring only needs sequential build triggering to get the stack built)
[14:26] <yofel> package builds done by launchpad don't fall under the size restriction
[14:26] <yofel> so just trigger them
[14:27] <shadeslayer> ^^
[14:27] <shadeslayer> funny how LP works :)
[14:27] <apachelogger_> yofel: lol?
[14:27] <shadeslayer> yofel: doesn't uploading fail though?
[14:27] <yofel> shadeslayer: no
[14:27] <shadeslayer> i.e. deb uploading
[14:27] <yofel> same for package copies from other ppa's
[14:27] <shadeslayer> I see
[14:27] <yofel> fun really ^^
[14:28]  * apachelogger_ shakes head
[14:28] <apachelogger_> it was even too much for the bot
[14:29] <yofel> lol
[14:29] <shadeslayer> dude
[14:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: space granted
[14:29] <apachelogger_> anyway, I triggered super low level stuff for building
[14:29] <shadeslayer> I'm awesome
[14:29] <apachelogger_> we'll see how that goes
[14:29] <apachelogger_> shadeslayer: indeed you are
[14:30] <apachelogger_> I triggered all !kde stuff (everything without kde/plasma in the name anyway) for raring
[14:30] <apachelogger_> if it builds feel free to prod kdesupport < kdelibs < plasma-framework
[14:31] <yofel> bug 1196752 is just fun
[14:32] <yofel> and ofc ubottu ran away ;_;
[14:32] <yofel> bug 1196752
[14:33] <Riddell> Suspend only works once when using upower with logind
[14:34] <Riddell> I win!
[14:34] <shadeslayer> actually
[14:34] <shadeslayer> suspending started working for me :O
[14:34] <shadeslayer> not sure what changed though
[14:35] <Riddell> more than once?
[14:36] <shadeslayer> yes
[14:36] <shadeslayer> oh
[14:36] <shadeslayer> wait
[14:36] <shadeslayer> hmm .. yeah, you're right
[14:36] <shadeslayer> it seems last night was the first time I suspended
[14:36] <shadeslayer> which is probably why it worked
[14:37] <yofel> also fun
[14:37] <yofel> $ qdbus
[14:37] <yofel> qdbus: could not exec '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/bin/qdbus': No such file or directory
[14:37] <shadeslayer> heh yes
[14:38] <shadeslayer> that's because of qt4-default and stuff I think
[14:38] <yofel> qt5 doesn't have qdbus o.O?
[14:38] <tsdgeos> it does
[14:38] <tsdgeos> you just don't have it installed
[14:38] <shadeslayer> ^^
[14:38] <tsdgeos> qdbus-qt5
[14:39] <yofel> indeed I don't
[15:04] <shadeslayer> did no one test RC1 for Raring?
[15:05] <yofel> did someone apply the kdepim patch on raring?
[15:05] <shadeslayer> nope
[15:05] <shadeslayer> or well, IDK
[15:05] <yofel> then that needs to be done and it should be ready for testing
[15:06] <shadeslayer> okay, nope
[15:06] <shadeslayer> unless the patch was landed before raring was uploaded
[15:06] <shadeslayer> yofel: that's more of a runtime thing
[15:06] <yofel> what?
[15:07] <shadeslayer> the kdepim patch?
[15:07] <shadeslayer> isn't that a runtime issue?
[15:08] <Riddell> shadeslayer, yofel: I only just did the patch for saucy a few hours ago
[15:08] <Riddell> where are the raring packages now?    You are running version <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:34] <apachelogger_> and here come the problems
[15:34] <apachelogger_> weeeh
[15:34]  * apachelogger_ goes for swim and stuff
[16:02]  * Riddell lets in kde-runtime/4:4.10.95-0ubuntu1 for the alpha
[17:17]  * yofel goes updating akonadi
[17:19] <genii> If anyone could just satisfy my curiosity... I notice on the change lists sometimes "Approved by Ubuntu Archive Robot" instead of some human... should i be worried? ;) Or actually... what is this robot?
[17:21] <shadeslayer> genii: probably the thing that moves packages from proposed to release
[17:22] <genii> Interesting
[17:24] <BluesKaj> I hope the decision to move fro proposed to release is made by a human :)
[17:25] <yofel> not in the development release
[17:25] <yofel> but I guess that robot comes into play when britney is overridden
[17:25] <genii> I guess if something is in a waiting queue for a specified time and no one makes any notes against it then it just automatically progresses to the next queue
[17:26] <genii> yofel: The one I first noticed it with was the phablet in saucy
[17:26] <yofel> I did only see it recently as well, but britney hasn't been used for that long either
[17:35] <shadeslayer> whoa
[17:36] <shadeslayer> aha
[17:36] <shadeslayer> yofel: Riddell http://i.imgur.com/lzaO3MZ.png
[17:36] <shadeslayer> genii: could also possibly the jenkins automatic stuff
[17:36] <shadeslayer> that Canonical has in place to make daily releases
[17:37]  * genii makes more coffee
[17:41] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1204182] Locale wrongly defaults to en_US.UTF8 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1204182 (by Graeme Hewson)
[17:48] <yofel> shadeslayer: there's always people downloading images (though it's interesting that torrents seem to be quite popular)
[17:49] <shadeslayer> yofel: true, just thought that it's usually immediately after a release that the numbers spike
[17:49] <shadeslayer> but it seems the numbers spiked fairly recently
[18:00] <ScottK> Riddell: Will look at it tonight.
[18:00] <Riddell> thanks :)
[18:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: ssup herald
[18:38] <shadeslayer> didn't realize you changed your name
[18:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: any updates regarding the kernel signing in Kubuntu?
[18:45] <apachelogger_> shadeslayer: actually my name is darth vader, but dont tell anyone
[18:46] <shadeslayer> yeah right
[18:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: any plans on building a new Death Star ?
[19:04] <shadeslayer> yofel: Riddell KDE 4.11 RC1 on raring looks fine to me
[19:04] <yofel> \o/
[19:04] <yofel> shadeslayer: I think you can just copy it once akonadi is built
[19:05] <shadeslayer> ack
[19:06] <shadeslayer> yofel: kdepim-runtime is FTBFS
[19:06] <yofel> :S
[19:06] <Riddell> yeah I still need to fix that
[19:06] <shadeslayer> seems like archive skew or sth?
[19:06] <yofel> er, really?
[19:06] <yofel> looks fine to me
[19:06] <shadeslayer> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[19:06] <shadeslayer>  libakonadi-dev : Depends: libboost-dev but it is not going to be installed
[19:06] <shadeslayer>  libkolabxml-dev : Depends: libboost-dev but it is not going to be installed
[19:07] <Riddell> hum, I've seen that before
[19:07] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging/+build/4819262
[19:07] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging/+build/4819261
[19:07] <yofel> Series: saucy
[19:07] <yofel> eh?
[19:07] <Riddell> I think the kdepim build had the same, different versions of boost
[19:08] <yofel> Riddell: I think you uploaded to the wrong release
[19:08] <Riddell> oh hum
[19:08] <Riddell> sigh
[19:08] <shadeslayer> indeedly ^
[19:09] <Riddell> fix uploaded
[19:10] <shadeslayer> hm, question, why can't we just seed in linux-signed-generic for Kubuntu
[19:11] <shadeslayer> there's also efilinux-signed , not sure what that is
[19:11] <yofel> wasn't it because you needed changes to the image building too? I don't know much about UEFI though
[19:11] <shadeslayer> not sure, but aren't the scripts same for Kubuntu and Ubuntu?
[19:12] <Riddell> colin has todo items on that
[19:12] <shadeslayer> time to poke him?
[19:13] <shadeslayer> I just did some user support in #kde-in regarding EFI installs, where the issue was secure boot
[19:13] <shadeslayer> which is why I bought this up
[19:14] <shadeslayer> alright, I'm off to sleep
[19:14] <shadeslayer> night
[19:47] <Riddell> yay new builds!
[19:47] <Riddell> !testers
[19:47] <soee> whats going on ?
[19:49] <Riddell> new alpha 2 candidates
[19:49] <Riddell> needing testing
[19:49] <Riddell> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/299/builds
[20:15] <Quintasan> Riddell: I'm on it
[20:16] <Riddell> awooga
[20:17] <Quintasan> though the rsync link seems broken
[20:19] <Riddell> zsync from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20130723.1/ maybe
[20:32] <Quintasan> i386 (entire disk) - passed
[20:34] <Riddell> awooga
[21:00] <Riddell> Quintasan: did you do Live Session too?
[21:01] <Quintasan> Riddell: Not yet
[21:01] <Quintasan> Once I'm done with encrypted LVM I will do that.
[21:02] <Riddell> Quintasan: you just ran the installer directly?
[21:02] <Quintasan> Yes.
[21:02] <Quintasan> That's what the testcase says
[21:02] <Riddell> oh interesting
[21:02] <Riddell> and yeah it needs testing too
[21:15] <Quintasan> christ
[21:15] <Quintasan> Riddell: It's going to take a while since my pc psu died
[21:15] <Quintasan> I'm doing it on laptop by hand
[21:16] <Quintasan> Hmm
[21:16] <Quintasan> Live CD works
[21:19] <Quintasan> Manual partitioning as well
[21:20] <Quintasan> Riddell: I can do amd64 tomorrow
[21:32] <Riddell> Quintasan: I just did a bunch of amd64 ones
[21:33] <Quintasan> Okay
[21:33] <Riddell> Quintasan: but there's a bunch more to do, would be good :)
[21:35]  * Quintasan tries to squeeze one more vm in


[14:40] <magicaltrout> gnuoy: is your apache-solr snap usable?
[18:32] <jac_cplane> what is right way to set up novnc proxy address using juju  - it seems that the option os-internal-network=xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/xx is ignored
[20:37] <jac_cplane> how is novnc_proxy_address generated in nova charm?    it is using the wrong interface in my deployment.  os-internal-network is not used
[20:39] <catbus> Hi, is there a way to remove a EULA/term that I agreed to?


[11:26] <lotuspsychje> arraybolt3[m]: nice job on editing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses adding the channel list wiki to 'a support request' !
[11:26] <lotuspsychje> great idea
[11:26] <arraybolt3[m]> Thanks!
[11:27] <lotuspsychje> thats what i also would love to see on community support
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/simplify-irc-community-support-process/23220
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> i assume every flavour has different approach leading their users to support/irc/community
[11:36] <lotuspsychje> could be interesting to compare the methods


[12:14] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:51] <ahoneybun[m]> Heyo BluesKaj
[13:57] <BluesKaj> hey ahoneybun[m]
[15:06] <claydoh> Are the old LTS point release ISO images stashed anywhere?  kubuntu.org's downloads page mentions them, but the links jsut go to the current ones.
[15:07] <claydoh> I know that previous Ubuntu point releases can be found on ￼ old-releases, but not anything recent for the flavours.
[15:08] <genii> Maybe here? https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/
[15:19] <claydoh> genii, but the links for the older ones all pint to the current. 22.04 and 22.04.1 all lead back to 22.04.2, for example
[15:19] <genii> :-/
[15:19] <claydoh> same for  focal. And other flavours.
[15:45] <clivejo> claydoh: can I ask the reason why you would want that?
[15:56] <claydoh> clivejo: some are looking for non-hwe original ISO images, for hardware support reasosn. We started looking and saw that all the images links on cdimage.ubuntu point to the current one.
[15:57] <claydoh> mostly curiousity, really
[15:58] <claydoh> though I was under the impression that desktop LTS installs are all HWE
[15:59] <clivejo> prob have to go to a mirror, like http://mirror.uchile.cl/ubuntu-cdimage/kubuntu/releases/focal/release/
[16:00] <clivejo> There are really old releases here - https://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/
[16:01] <claydoh> the OP ona thread on kubuntuforums was installing kubuntu, from an aparently old 22.04iso, and the update only pulled in the current 5.15 kernel. Which may have broke his laptop keyboard?
[16:01] <claydoh> in any case, we though he would be upgraded to the current 5.19 kernel, and ended up in a rabbit hole lol
[16:02] <claydoh> old-releases does not have anthing recent for LTS isos, like it does for Ubuntu proper.
[16:04] <claydoh> clivejo: thanks, the mirrors idea is cool, But we may want to update the kubuntu website to remove/change references to downloading previois point release images
[16:04] <claydoh> also, the Focal downloads still refers to 20.04.5, thoughn that is soon to be a moot point :)
[16:04] <clivejo> 22.04 isn't old and an LTS
[16:05] <claydoh> old-releases has old point releases for 22.04, for example, not found on the cdimages, for example
[16:05] <clivejo> I have a draw of old kubuntu iso's!
[16:06] <clivejo> drawer
[16:07] <clivejo> not sure, I wasn't about for 22.04 release, so unable to help you there!
[16:08] <claydoh> cool anyway, it is quite confusing. More of a rabbit hole moment as much as anything. I have an "og" 22.04 iso myself on my NAS
[16:08] <clivejo> but I do know I had issues with that kernel and nvidia graphics
[16:09] <clivejo> it wouldn't let me enter my password in sddm
[16:10] <clivejo> why does OP think the keyboard isn't working?
[16:11] <claydoh> it worked in 5.15.25 for the install, stopped after updating, which got him 5.15.67 or something
[16:12] <claydoh> I thought it would be a 5.19 kernel
[16:13] <claydoh> -25 and -67 kernel builds, rather
[16:13] <clivejo> what I'm trying to get at is at what point is the keyboard broken?
[16:13] <clivejo> can OP get into Plasma?
[16:14] <clivejo> if it's at login, can they try to open a TTY and does the keyboard work there?
[16:14] <claydoh> apparently not, but we are waiting for responses lol.
[16:14] <clivejo> ah
[16:15] <claydoh> plus he claims that he got the kernel update despite not being connected to the internet, which is wrong.
[16:15] <clivejo> magic?
[16:16] <clivejo> I need a computer like that, poor internet is the bane of my life!
[16:17] <claydoh> who knows? there is always missing information that people forget or do not hink is relevant. It is a Slimbook, though
[16:17] <clivejo> they not come preinstalled with Neon?
[16:18] <claydoh> no idea. waiting for repsponse, and did suggest contacting their support as well.
[16:18] <clivejo> I think they do
[16:19] <clivejo> always secretly wanted one!
[16:27] <claydoh> ditto! Or a Framework.
[16:28] <claydoh> But a used AMD Thinkpad chromebook has to suffice lol ( I just got one this week)
[18:04] <ahoneybun[m]> claydoh: clivejo no Kubuntu Focus?
[18:58] <clivejo> no, they seem to attract liquids, like a magnet :P
[19:10]  * arraybolt3 hasn't spilled anything on mine yet :D
[19:12] <clivejo> sorry, was a dig at Mr Mills I couldn't resist :P
[21:14]  * tsimonq2 gives clivejo a friendly wave
[22:39] <clivejo> o/ @tsimonq2


 Vacances ce soir :)
[07:29] <oSoMoN> cool, profite!
[07:55] <gabuscus> good morning everyone
[08:09] <jibel> Hey gabuscus
[08:31] <seb128> jamesh, hey, I was trying to build xdg-portal-desktop with 705 but it fails to build
[08:31] <seb128> src/webextensions.c:43:3: error: unknown type name ‘XdpDbusWebExtensionsSkeleton’
[08:31] <seb128>    43 |   XdpDbusWebExtensionsSkeleton parent_instance;
[08:31] <seb128>       |   ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[08:31] <seb128> etc
[08:31] <seb128> any idea what that could be?
[08:31] <seb128> basically applying https://patch-diff.githubusercontent.com/raw/flatpak/xdg-desktop-portal/pull/705.diff to 1.14.2
[08:33] <seb128> jamesh, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/t58XsCXD6s/
[08:35] <seb128> oSoMoN, ^ or you, you built that one right? ;)
[08:35] <oSoMoN> seb128, you'll want to use the patch in my PPA, which rebases James's patch on top of 1.14
[08:36] <oSoMoN> see https://launchpad.net/~osomon/+archive/ubuntu/native-messaging-portal/+packages
[08:36] <seb128> oSoMoN, ah, thanks, I didn't realize master changed over what we have
[08:36] <oSoMoN> yeah, an unfortunate breaking change
[08:37] <seb128> oSoMoN, jamesh meeting?
[08:40] <jamesh> seb128: this got merged just after 1.14.2, which makes backporting a little non-trivial: https://github.com/flatpak/xdg-desktop-portal/commit/9e00c2f7ed922128c344914b8670abc67cf55608
[08:43] <seb128> oSoMoN, ah, you have a package ready, did you want to maybe update the changelog version and add a reference to lp #1968215 and upload to the archive?
[08:43] <oSoMoN> seb128, sure, I'll do that after our weekly meeting
[11:46] <KGB-0> gnome-control-center signed tags 1eb8afb Sebastien Bacher ubuntu/1%41.4-1ubuntu10 * gnome-control-center Debian release 1:41.4-1ubuntu10 * https://deb.li/39s1s
[11:46] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master 2cac975 Sebastien Bacher debian/patches/ series ubuntu/update-vnc-key.patch * Update the grd vnc key when sharing as required by the new version * https://deb.li/KsnI
[11:46] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master 05e7ec7 Sebastien Bacher debian/ changelog control * update changelog and refresh control * https://deb.li/3CtdA
[11:46] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master 3a356f3 Sebastien Bacher debian/changelog * upload to ubuntu * https://deb.li/op7e
[11:54] <jbicha> happy Friday!
[12:14] <jbicha> seb128: can you have britney ignore i386 autopkgtest failures for gnome-shell-pomodoro since we don't build it on i386?
[12:35] <seb128> jbicha, sorry but I can't, autopkgtest hints are reserved to ubuntu-release
[12:35] <jbicha> cool, I'll ask there
[12:35] <seb128> also why is it trying to test on an arch it doesn't build on?
[13:52] <ricotz> oSoMoN, and there we go again https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1763305
[13:53] <ricotz> https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ec17e612c643
[13:54] <oSoMoN> uh oh
[13:55] <ricotz> not much of a warning :(
[14:40] <schopin> \o/ we're ahead of the curve for once!
[14:50] <oSoMoN> schopin, how so? jammy has 1.58.1, and older releases have 1.57
[14:52] <schopin> Eh, brain fart, it's Debian that's on 1.59.
[14:52] <schopin> How urgent is this?
[15:05] <oSoMoN> that's for the firefox 101 branch, scheduled for release in 7 weeks from now, so asap
[15:06] <oSoMoN> I'll file a bug to request the update, per the usual procedure
[15:13] <oSoMoN> schopin, bug #1968345
[15:25] <jbicha> tjaalton: in case you're not subscribed to the mesa bug: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/15822
[15:27] <tjaalton> jbicha: I am yes, thansk
[15:27] <tjaalton> -ks
[15:33] <tjaalton> jbicha: I have some further changes staged, so I'll wait until this is reviewed and will merge it with the rest
[15:34] <jbicha> thank you :)
[18:45] <KGB-2> gnome-connections upstream/latest 6bc0dca Jeremy Bicha * pushed 7 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/3cdXV
[18:45] <KGB-2> gnome-connections upstream/latest 137a059 Felipe Borges src/ ui/window.ui window.vala * window: Revert from HdyApplicationWindow to GtkApplicationWindow * https://deb.li/6h91
[18:45] <KGB-2> gnome-connections upstream/latest f5f3baf Felipe Borges src/notifications.vala * notifications: Call "dismiss" on timeout * https://deb.li/iw9WN
[18:45] <KGB-2> gnome-connections upstream/latest b1ca1a4 Felipe Borges subprojects/gtk-frdp * Update gtk-frdp * https://deb.li/KhNR
[18:45] <KGB-2> gnome-connections upstream/latest dd16c96 Felipe Borges src/rdp-connection.vala * rdp-connection: Reset credentials on connection error * https://deb.li/3P9Ev
[18:46] <KGB-2> gnome-connections upstream/latest 0817edd Felipe Borges subprojects/gtk-frdp * Update gtk-frdp * https://deb.li/sfxz
[18:46] <KGB-2> gnome-connections pristine-tar e19098b Jeremy Bicha gnome-connections_42.1.1.orig.tar.xz.delta gnome-connections_42.1.1.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for gnome-connections_42.1.1.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/3nTes
[19:37] <seb128> tjaalton, https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/15822 btw
[19:38] <seb128> jbicha, unsure if you still have paprefs to update on your todolist for next week or should I create a card for it?
[19:40] <jbicha> seb128: go ahead and make a card as an extra reminder. I had started on it before I ended up reinstalling Ubuntu
[19:44] <tjaalton> seb128: yup, i'll wait until the mr is fixed :)
[19:44] <seb128> jbicha, created
[19:44] <seb128> tjaalton, thx
[23:39] <KGB-0> libcanberra tags c4439be Marco Trevisan ubuntu/0.30-8ubuntu2 * https://deb.li/3EDOc


[00:00] <rww> what did he want :\
[00:00] <CarlFK> i was hoping to become less undecided ;/
[00:00] <elky> rww, to mock.
[00:00] <rww> ah
[00:01] <elky> he indignantly informed me he didn't harass jordan for asking him to change his nick. then got all grins when i mentioned to tm_t here.
[00:01] <elky> so yes, mocking.
[00:03] <elky> the amount of his understanding and level of reform from his reprimand is hence about, oh, zero.
[00:04] <CarlFK> yeah, but other than the administrative noise the damage to #u is also about 0.
[00:05] <elky> CarlFK, so? you seriously think that someone can abuse ops just because the users of #u don't notice? uh nuh
[00:06]  * rww ponders keeping an up to date note on the status of native 64-bit Flash in !flash
[00:07] <rww> ooo, !flash64. never mind.
[00:07] <CarlFK> elky: i am really not sure.  I would like to think if it is ignored it goes away.
[00:08] <elky> CarlFK, it didn't. he repeatedly came here to antagonise.
[00:09] <CarlFK> the few times I saw him in here it was to dispute his ban. which he did with the skill of a stereotypical IRC users.
[00:12] <CarlFK> can someone be banned from here but not #u?
[00:12] <CarlFK> seems whacky.  kinda wondering if it makes any sense.
[00:13] <elky> yes, but that's pretty counterproductive.
[00:13] <CarlFK> agreed
[00:34] <IdleOne> Pici: did you ever get that email I sent to you?
[00:34] <IdleOne> not sure if it got sent or not
[00:44] <IdleOne> guess threatening,harassing,abusing in PM has no bearing
[00:51] <rww> jussi: ubottu broke: 16:51:18 <ubottu> Please comment on the removal of ArtistAbbot in #ubuntu-offtopic, use: @comment None <comment>
[00:53] <rww> For anyone interested, ArtistAbbot 1) is Hoober/Prosper_/that dude who got kicked out of -ot, -women, and #ubuntu for linking obscene pictures, 2) is being rather problematic in PM.
[00:53] <rww> jussi: (also, it appears to have not put the removal and ban in BT)
[01:25] <r00t4rd3d> elky, I wasnt "reverting to any pattern". I was just letting you know you have been misinformed.
[01:30] <CarlFK> http://xkcd.com/386/  title="What do you want me to do?  LEAVE?  Then they'll keep being wrong!" alt="Duty Calls"
[01:38] <ArtistAbbot> just got banned. would like to be unbanned in the future
[01:41] <rww> ArtistAbbot: Telling people to reformat their computer when they're asking how to fix a permissions problem is not acceptable. You are well aware of this and our other channel guidelines from several previous encounters, including a ban in #ubuntu.
[01:42] <rww> Based on your persistant behavior in #ubuntu and other channels, I am not at all confident in your ability to exist peacefully in them. As a result, I do not plan to remove your ban at this time.
[01:46] <ArtistAbbot> SELinux
[01:47] <ArtistAbbot> we were in a #ubuntu-support
[01:47] <IdleOne> what does that have to do with telling someone to format?
[01:47] <IdleOne> if you don't know the answer to a question you are better off not saying anything.
[01:48] <ArtistAbbot> i have conflicting sources of information about the subject of his question
[01:49] <ArtistAbbot> i just read wikipedia and i am sure of it now. at the time i had no reason to doubt my answer as not a response to his question
[01:49] <IdleOne> ArtistAbbot: The ban is not going to be lifted tonight. Please part the channel.
[01:49] <ArtistAbbot> into how many?
[01:50] <IdleOne> r00t4rd3d: Unless you have a ban that needs to be resolved please do not idle in here
[04:26] <Tm_T> rww: mute?
[04:27] <rww> apparently he's scared of it, figured it works ;P
[04:27] <Tm_T> no, not really,but letting him to read the channel isn't an issue yet
[04:28] <rww> someone said we should use +q more. *shrugs*
[04:28] <Tm_T> ye, he's asking a ban in PM, so let's keep the +q (:
[04:29] <rww> hehe
[04:32] <rww> but yeah, technically, I guess +q is interchangeable with +b, unless they start PMing random people or join/part flooding
[04:33] <elky> I see alabd hasn't changed
[04:33] <rww> indeed
[04:33] <rww> at least he isn't asking us to ponder US export law this time
[06:19] <mneptok> humble.
[06:19] <rww> I think next time he wanders by, I'll call him "indie bundle" and see what happens.
[10:11] <elky> rww, erm, do i remember a troublesome user with a nick resembling "full metal alchemist" correctly?
[10:13] <rww> elky: not that I remember, for what it's worth
[10:17] <elky> who else just about choked on "cross platform" there?
[10:21] <rww> It's probably a bad sign that the current #ubuntu-offtopic topic is above-average sane.
[10:21] <elky> yeah
[10:45] <elky> things that should be illegal: stone fruit with cling stones :(
[10:46] <elky> hmm, that was meant for -ot
[11:33]  * elky looks at rww and tries to hold a straight face...
[11:36] <jussi> elky: everylabel.com.au if you need/want - printable in pretty much every printer, or he can print them for you :)
[11:43] <elky> rww i think he thinks the first hit for facebook at that google link is mine...
[11:43] <rww> ah. lol.
[11:45] <elky> ok, this is a tough one...
[11:46] <elky> offtopic /isn't/ the place for him. he's constantly toyed with for others amusement without any inkling of awareness of this...
[12:53] <MichealH> Hi
[12:53] <MichealH> Hi Ubuntu Ops, I noticed there was a Mass Inviter that had visited your channel and invited almost everyone to a new channel called #InteractiveArt. The founder, Agu10 was behind this. I am now mentoring him to the freenode rules by being an op of his channel and gave permissions to the staff too. I am officially apologising on behalf of Agu10 and I hope this will never happen again while I am mentoring him. Thanks!
[12:54] <MichealH> I hope you all understand
[12:55] <MichealH> See ya
[13:04] <Pici> IdleOne: No, I never recieved your email.
[17:20] <Myrtti> that kernel doesn't look like ubuntu
[18:13] <IdleOne> Why is ubottu asking me to review a ban that was lifted?
[18:45] <nhandler> My guess is that it might not have been around or failed to notice the ban removal for one reason or another.
[18:45] <nhandler> IdleOne: ^
[18:45] <IdleOne> nhandler: yup


[01:34] <coz_> would any of you know  how to either extract the svg icon from this file   http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/icon.sh  or to replace the one that it creates with another svg file?
[01:37] <knome> coz_, find printf "
[01:37] <knome> start copying after the quotes
[01:37] <coz_> knome,  ok  and stop at which point?
[01:38] <knome> then go to near finish and find </svg>
[01:38] <knome> and copy the closing </svg> tag as well
[01:38] <coz_> ok and then save that to an xml file?
[01:38] <knome> then save that as something.svg
[01:39] <coz_> mm wont open
[01:39] <knome> says what?
[01:39] <coz_> let me try I think I made a mistake
[01:39] <knome> oh right :P
[01:39] <knome> no you didn't
[01:40] <knome> replace \" with "
[01:40] <knome> every occurrence
[01:41] <coz_> knome,  you mean every  \ should be removed?
[01:43] <knome> i'm not sure if EVERY \ should be removed. just replace \" with "
[01:47] <coz_> knome,  ok I removed all \'s and it opened
[01:49] <knome> coz_, okay. have fun.
[01:49] <coz_> thanks
[04:11] <uvacav> anyone know when the rest of the purple icons are dropping?
[10:32] <kwwii> w00t, I am alive again
[10:36] <thorwil> kwwii: full on resurrection, you don't happen to be a zombie or leech now? what caused your death, anyway?
[10:46] <kwwii> thorwil: horrible headaches the last two days
[10:46] <kwwii> thorwil: mainly spent moaning, hurting and puking
[10:47] <kwwii> but now I can actually think again
[10:51]  * thorwil listened to ivanka on the uk podcast
[11:09] <zacbarton> anyone know how to style/access the nautilus info bar (cd/dvd creator "drag or copy etc") in gtkrc
[11:26] <zacbarton> found it. its widget "*.nautilus-extra-view-widget" in-case anyone else needs it
[11:55] <zniavre> zacbarton,  it's more  as > style "nautilus-sidebar"
[11:55] <zniavre> widget_class "*Nautilus*Places*Sidebar*"        style "nautilus-sidebar"
[11:55] <zniavre> widget_class "*Nautilus*Side*.GtkWidget"        style "nautilus-sidebar"
[12:01] <zniavre> nautilus-extra-view-widget is for the search thing into nautilus i guess
[12:06] <zniavre> http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/3033/captureqv.png
[13:10] <zacbarton> zniavre: ta for the follow up. it looks like bg[NORMAL] for nautilus-extra-view-widget is used in the search results and also the info bar (cd/dvd burn, this media contains photos etc)
[13:14] <zniavre> zacbarton,  i was wrong cause my bad english sorry
[13:14] <zacbarton> no problems at all mate :-)
[13:15] <zniavre> i believed you wanted to colorize the sidepanel in  nautilus
[13:26] <dashua> zacbarton, style "nautilus-sidebar"  {GtkTreeView::even_row_color = @bg_color (whatever color you want it)}
[13:26] <zacbarton> dashua: great ta mate
[13:26] <dashua> Hi the classes too
[13:27] <dashua> If you Place the same color too
[13:27] <dashua> widget_class "*Nautilus*Places*Sidebar*"    	style "nautilus-sidebar"
[13:27] <dashua> widget_class "*Nautilus*Side*.GtkWidget"    	style "nautilus-sidebar"
[13:27] <dashua> Places*
[13:27] <dashua> Hit the classes*
[13:28] <zacbarton> yep that makes sense
[13:28] <kwwii> vish: hey, if you find duplicates of the window decoration button bug mark them as duplicates
[13:28] <kwwii> hi dashua
[13:28] <dashua> kwwii, Hey man
[13:28] <kwwii> dashua: so the new progess bars have been accepted ;-)
[13:28] <dashua> Wow
[13:28] <dashua> Nice
[13:28] <kwwii> dashua: going to push an update later sometime
[13:29] <kwwii> not sure if I'll get to it before I have to catch my plane though
[13:29] <dashua> Ok cool, cleaned up a lot
[13:29] <dashua> We're you able to make a better close icon for Radiance.
[13:29] <dashua> Not that good with icons =/
[13:31] <kwwii> dashua: yeah, I am going to redraw them all
[13:31] <kwwii> which is why it will take a bit longer
[13:31] <dashua> Ok cool, the toughs could use some love too if you're going to use that method.
[13:31] <dashua> Nice
[13:32] <dashua> troughs*
[13:32] <kwwii> yeah, I think in the end we will go with the seperate trough
[13:32] <dashua> Ok good
[13:32] <kwwii> although ideally we would just fix compiz
[13:32] <dashua> True
[13:32] <dashua> That metacity patch seems to work good
[13:32] <kwwii> I don't like the idea of fixing this with a hack which will break on all systems when the font-size is changed
[13:32] <dashua> Did you check that video out?
[13:32] <dashua> Yeah
[13:33] <kwwii> video?
[13:33] <dashua> I sent you an email
[13:33] <kwwii> hrm, let me look again
[13:33] <dashua> Demoing the button switches
[13:33] <kwwii> my headaches seem to have erased things
[13:33] <dashua> With Compiz running
[13:33] <dashua> Ha
[13:33] <dashua> Most combos work except for a few
[13:34] <dashua> I like ivanka's idea Max > Min                            Close
[13:34] <dashua> Getting used to this though
[13:36] <kwwii> dashua: interesting, itshows that it works with everything except for windows with just one button
[13:36] <kwwii> dashua: which works fine with just metacity
[13:36] <kwwii> I think there is more and more that says we need to fix compiz
[13:37] <dashua> Yeah
[13:38] <dashua> In essence if there is going to be customization you'll need left and right trough images
[13:38] <dashua> I have that working too
[13:40] <kwwii> well as the metacity was, it worked fine, with all windows except just min and close
[13:42] <dashua> Hopefully a gix for compiz gtk-window-decorator will come
[13:42] <dashua> fix*
[13:44] <kwwii> indeed
[13:44] <kwwii> but I doubt it
[13:44] <kwwii> then again, I would love for someone to prove me wrong ;-)
[13:49] <dashua> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/47653/screenshot_037_5GGA68.png
[13:49] <dashua> It fixes gnome-appearance-preferences except for the menu icon
[14:01] <kwwii> yeah, I wish i could kill the menu icon
[14:01] <kwwii> I guess since we turn it off anyway, i could put the mini-icon back
[14:15] <dashua> That icon is really useless
[14:15] <dashua> I dpn't think I've ever used it.
[14:56] <kwwii> hehe, now you know why i removed  it ;-)
[14:58] <vish> kwwii: re: the win deco bugs , there are a few bugs with variants , mentioning order , should they be duped to the revert to old bug? or do you want them separate?
[14:59] <vish> there was a bug which said the close is too near the file edit menu
[14:59] <kwwii> vish: I think they all need to be dupped to that bug
[14:59] <vish> neat , i'll dup them
[15:01] <vish> kwwii the other bug i mentioned yesterday about the close button being displayed red for the inactive window? it happens only when the visual effects in off , while if the visual effects is on , the inactive window close is greyed :s
[15:02] <vish> it seems the title bar for metacity & compiz vary
[15:05] <kwwii> vish: ouch, that sucks
[15:05] <kwwii> just assign it to me
[15:05] <vish> k..
[17:06] <vish> kwwii: if you are updating the theme , Bug #540973 is a simple change , the gtkrc is throwing xsession errors
[18:28] <unggnu> hi all
[18:29] <unggnu> I have posted a question about the progress bar some time ago and filed a wishlist report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-artwork/+bug/540829
[18:29] <troy_s> unggnu: What is your issue?
[18:30] <unggnu> I have also edited the Plymouth ubuntu-logo.script to test it.
[18:30] <troy_s> unggnu: Erm...
[18:30] <unggnu> troy_s, If it is an option to change the "progress bar"
[18:30] <troy_s> unggnu: So you are suggesting that your solution is better than the provided solution.
[18:31] <unggnu> troy_s, I think so but that's why I am asking :)
[18:31] <unggnu> I just think the current one is misleading, nothing more.
[18:31] <troy_s> unggnu: First, this is mostly a 'general' channel, those sorts of decisions are handled internally at Canonical. This is more of a community channel...
[18:31] <unggnu> ok
[18:31] <troy_s> unggnu: Two... in the end, that is a fundamental design question.
[18:32] <troy_s> unggnu: And could likely take up sixteen to forty pages of mailing list.
[18:32] <troy_s> unggnu: And _still_ not arrive at a 'solution'. ;)
[18:32] <unggnu> Hm, fundamentally? The design stays the same except of the animation
[18:32] <unggnu> yeah, but I guess I know what you mean
[18:32] <troy_s> unggnu: In the end, I am pretty certain that the point is moot. People will adapt or ignore or whatever.
[18:32] <unggnu> Of course the other solution would be that the indicator actually represents the booting process like in earlier versions
[18:33] <troy_s> unggnu: It's all rather irrelevant in the end if you don't tackle the harder question - why.
[18:33] <troy_s> unggnu: What should it do? Why? To whom does that apply?
[18:34] <troy_s> unggnu: None of which are easy questions, and hence most of the time things such as the point you raise go off and die a dusty death in the ethernet shelving.
[18:34] <unggnu> Hm, lol, definitely the artwork channel :D
[18:36] <troy_s> unggnu: Seriously think about those questions though. You can see why things sort of hit a wall at some point.
[18:36] <unggnu> The problem is that the better it gets the more "important" the little things get
[18:36] <troy_s> unggnu: What is better ;)
[18:36] <unggnu> the artwork and boot experience
[18:36] <troy_s> unggnu: It isn't like code. There is no implicit way to format a stanza and have it compile. It is a design decision and ultimately, like it or not, there is no right or wrong answer.
[18:37] <unggnu> For example Windows XP also has a indicator bar which moves around instead of filling up
[18:37] <troy_s> unggnu: Yikes.
[18:37] <troy_s> unggnu: This is computing right? How do you know your oven is ready?
[18:37] <troy_s> unggnu: WindowsXP is _one_ path.
[18:37] <troy_s> unggnu: OSX has another.
[18:37] <unggnu> troy_s, People have certain expectations, so it could be wrong for them
[18:37] <troy_s> unggnu: And all things being equal, perhaps there will be many many more.
[18:37] <troy_s> unggnu: Ahhh there we go. Who?
[18:38] <unggnu> troy_s, yes, but MacOsX has also no progress bar, it is just turning
[18:38] <troy_s> unggnu: So what is your point exactly?
[18:38] <troy_s> unggnu: There are, again, many paths to a workable solution. On some level, it is moot.
[18:39] <unggnu> so in both cases no one would expect a progress representation
[18:39] <troy_s> unggnu: Which there is.
[18:39] <troy_s> unggnu: I'd just suggest that you are approaching this as a 'right / wrong' scenario when in fact it is far more murky. Don't expect much movement on it as those fundamental design decisions are ultimately in Mark's hands.
[18:40] <troy_s> unggnu: You would be equally challenged to suggest changing the desktop wallpaper. ;)
[18:40] <unggnu> troy_s, no, it is fine
[18:40] <troy_s> unggnu: As it is precisely the same sort of issue on some level.
[18:40] <troy_s> unggnu: Fine and not fine.
[18:40] <unggnu> troy_s, but it doesn't mislead people, it just might not be their taste
[18:40] <troy_s> unggnu: I am not misled.
[18:41] <troy_s> unggnu: Are you?
[18:41] <troy_s> unggnu: Are you misled?
[18:41] <unggnu> not by the wallpaper :)
[18:41] <troy_s> unggnu: It's guesswork.
[18:42] <unggnu> maybe I should post a video to make the difference clear :D
[18:42] <troy_s> unggnu: It is perfectly clear to me.
[18:42] <troy_s> unggnu: But the core of your issue isn't clear to you.
[18:42] <unggnu> troy_s, yeah, but you are not everyone :D
[18:42] <troy_s> unggnu: And who is everyone?
[18:42] <unggnu> I suppose it is 42 :D
[18:42] <troy_s> unggnu: It's a moot point again.
[18:42] <troy_s> unggnu: _bingo_
[18:42] <troy_s> unggnu: That is exactly it.
[18:43] <troy_s> unggnu: And, short answer - Mark controls those sorts of things ;)
[18:43] <unggnu> Is there a Mark channel? ;)
[18:44] <unggnu> no, I just wanted a second opinion. :D
[18:44] <troy_s> unggnu: There sure is. One guy lives in it and it is invite only.
[18:44] <troy_s> unggnu: Oh gosh. Don't ask for an opinion. ;)
[18:44] <troy_s> lol
[18:44] <unggnu> and wasn't sure if others were involved
[18:44] <troy_s> unggnu: Practically though, you are aware at absolutely how tricky all of this gets right? For example, did you know that native Mandarin speakers view time equally easily vertically as horizontally?
[18:45] <troy_s> unggnu: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11487292
[18:45] <troy_s> unggnu: Which more or less implies that culture will affect your sense of design / aesthetic.
[18:45] <unggnu> troy_s, Not my fault :D
[18:45] <troy_s> unggnu: (A bit of a no brainer)
[18:45] <troy_s> unggnu: But it begs the larger question that _your_ solution may in fact not be a solution in another contxt.
[18:46] <troy_s> unggnu: And so on and so on and so on.
[18:46] <unggnu> troy_s, interesting, but I still think this cases are not so important
[18:46] <troy_s> unggnu: That is a judgement call. As is the effort currently in front of you.
[18:46] <troy_s> unggnu: And in that respect, especially without tackling the deeper design issues at hand
[18:47] <troy_s> unggnu: BOTH are likely equally valid.
[18:47] <unggnu> troy_s, it is a question of the market
[18:47] <troy_s> unggnu: And within that scope, Mark's decision and the choice of his design team is likely to stand.
[18:47] <troy_s> unggnu: You really need to read what you are typing.
[18:47] <unggnu> the biggest market is the Western World and the others adapt. I mean I am pretty sure you couldn't use a computer without learning some basics
[18:48] <troy_s> unggnu: Wow.
[18:48] <unggnu> troy_s, there is no keyboard with thousand signs
[18:48] <unggnu> so they use phonetics afaik
[18:48] <unggnu> which means you have to adapt
[18:49] <troy_s> unggnu: A guess on a guess on an estimation on a guess. I'll leave it at that.
[18:51] <unggnu> anyway, the medium forms our thinking, at least partly
[18:51] <troy_s> unggnu: More guess.
[18:52] <unggnu> So ... Do you want to prove Socrates?
[18:52] <troy_s> unggnu: I started this off by saying it's a moot point.
[18:52] <troy_s> unggnu: Did I not? :)
[18:53] <troy_s> unggnu: It is, as you said, 42.
[18:53] <troy_s> unggnu: Side note - http://farm1.static.flickr.com/14/17023214_7722c7e5cb.jpg
[18:53] <unggnu> troy_s, Btw. do you know a programming language which is in Madarin?
[18:55] <unggnu> Haha, cool, I suppose touch typing doesn't work there
[18:55] <troy_s> unggnu: LOL
[18:55] <troy_s> unggnu: It really is a tricky question though. As much as we have evolved out of a simple view of design wrapped around Apple and Microsoft, maybe the question is "Should it be?"
[18:56] <unggnu> I know that many things could be done more efficient but we are just used to the old scheme so we stick with it
[18:56] <troy_s> unggnu: And regarding start up, the question is 'What needs to happen during start up for a given audience?'. If you can somehow show that in fact the system isn't entirely locked up (and as the duration gets shorter, this is less of an issue one could speculate), the point would be achieved.
[19:00] <unggnu> I know that the current works. Btw. do you know why the real progress isn't shown? It was possible with older Ubuntu releases.
[19:01] <troy_s> unggnu: Likely tied to plymouth and such.
[19:03] <thorwil> unggnu: "Hm, lol, definitely the artwork channel :D"--this is the artwork channel on troy. much different experience sans
[19:03] <unggnu> :)
[19:05] <troy_s> thorwil: Greetings thorwil
[19:05] <thorwil> unggnu: afaik it was considered unfeasible to give a good estimate on how long it takes. so no way to present a progressbar that fills evenly
[19:05] <thorwil> hi troy_s :)
[19:05] <troy_s> thorwil: The older usplash had guesses too.
[19:05] <unggnu> thx
[19:05] <unggnu> troy_s, but I suppose it has more room (not only five bullets)
[19:06] <troy_s> unggnu: I don't really mind what part of the ocean I am flying over when I am travelling to France.
[19:06] <troy_s> But that's me.
[19:06] <unggnu> It is a long way since Dapper. Dapper had a progress bar and showed which service was started atm :)
[19:06] <troy_s> I just like to know that the plane isn't crashing.
[19:06] <unggnu> troy_s, I am fine with it too as long as it doesn't look like a progress bar :)
[19:08] <troy_s> thorwil: Anything interesting in your parts?
[19:09] <thorwil> troy_s: well, it looks like we have a final title page design for the manual
[19:09] <troy_s> thorwil: Well that's good.
[19:09] <unggnu> Where can I access the manual if I might ask?
[19:10] <troy_s> unggnu: There's no progress bar in it.
[19:10] <unggnu> troy_s, I think I will survive :)
[19:10] <troy_s> unggnu: LOL
[19:11] <unggnu> No, there is help.ubuntu.com, then there is the question mark icon in the panel and maybe there is a real manual for a box edition or shipped computer. That's why I am asking
[19:11] <thorwil> troy_s: funny thing: i offered 3 variations in the last design round. Ben, the project lead wanted a version with dots. i made up my mind and said no. Kevin (latex guy) also said no. Ben chatted with sabdfl, who explained what more or less spaced dots are meant ... and he prefers the dotless version
[19:12] <thorwil> unggnu: the manual isn't done, yet
[19:12] <unggnu> But where would I normally access it
[19:12] <unggnu> that's what I am asking
[19:13] <troy_s> thorwil: Maybe you should go with dots then ;) LOL
[19:13] <thorwil> heh
[19:13] <troy_s> thorwil: Personally, I'd put three people grinning with some front lit flash photography and a progress bar on there. BLAM.
[19:14] <thorwil> unggnu: the project would like to have a PDF on the ubuntu cd, but that's unlikely to happen. at least for the coming release
[19:15] <unggnu> ok, so it is new
[19:15] <unggnu> not just updated
[19:15] <thorwil> yes
[19:15] <thorwil> unggnu: see http://ubuntu-manual.org and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual
[19:16] <unggnu> troy_s, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual - hah, it has a progress bar :D
[19:16] <troy_s> unggnu: Damn you!
[19:16] <unggnu> troy_s, you can't run :D
[19:16] <troy_s> unggnu: I'll confess, progress bars make me flop around on the floor in fits.
[19:16] <thorwil> troy_s: if you ever feel depressed due to some quality issues in floss related artwork (oh, i just can't point you to the latest edition of the gnome 3.0 mockup), check http://ugliesttattoos.com/
[19:17] <troy_s> thorwil: Funny aside there I suppose... I got asked to do something for Inked.
[19:18] <unggnu> troy_s, the question is what will you do for them.  Wasn't terribly interested so kind of went blam.
[19:28] <thorwil> something to be inked would be more interesting, eh?
[19:28] <troy_s> thorwil: Wow. There are some pretty amazing works on that site.
[19:32] <troy_s> thorwil: OMFG. Someone did the the Amazing Horse tattoo.
[19:32] <troy_s> thorwil: http://ugliesttattoos.com/2010/02/24/forgive-my-singing-tonight-folks-i%e2%80%99m-a-little-horse/
[19:32] <thorwil> it really is an amazing horse
[19:32] <troy_s> thorwil: LOL
[19:33] <troy_s> thorwil: MY WORLD. It is imploding.
[19:33] <troy_s> thorwil: I so need an Amazing Horse t-shirt.
[19:35] <thorwil> better say no to the horse pop, though
[19:35] <troy_s> lol
[21:43] <Cimi> zniavre, it seems to work here
[21:46] <zniavre> Cimi,  with xchat too ?
[21:46] <Cimi> yep
[21:46] <Cimi> it is subtle
[21:48] <zniavre> http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/2518/capture3of.png  > check here > nautilus desktop menu with separtor sets to be "white"
[21:49] <zniavre> no this shot is xchat sorry
[21:50] <zniavre> http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/301/capture2sc.png  in this one it's nautilus menu
[21:50] <zniavre> we can see easily differences of separator
[21:56] <Cimi> looks like you have something wrong in your gtkrc matches
[21:59] <zniavre> mmm
[22:05] <zniavre> http://paste.ubuntu-fr-secours.org/src-91819  i can not see where
[22:05] <zniavre> if you hav a 30sec to check it
[22:05] <zniavre> :o)
[22:27] <kwwii> vish: thanks for that, I'll be sure to change it
[22:39] <Cimi> zniavre, yeah it seems a problem in matching, not sure how to fix it
[23:03]  * kwwii gets a full 10 days (in a row!) at home


[14:43] <bwmaker> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/aiforeveryone/mycroft-an-open-source-artificial-intelligence-for
[14:43] <bwmaker> That looks like fun.


[00:16] <Sweetlew> Hey, guys, I need some quick help, like REALLY QUICK. I just tried to reboot after an update, and now my desktop icons aren't appearing. I've already tried searching google, and that hasn't helped out one damn bit.
[00:20] <Sweetlew> BlueRavenGT: Can you help me?
[00:42] <Sweetlew> Can anybody help me?
[00:58] <Sweetlew> Ok, guys, I'm still dealing with disappearing desktop icons here. I need somebody to please help me with this issue ASAP (preferably right now, if anybody can see this).
[00:59] <Sweetlew> BlueRavenGT or Jack_Sparrow, can either of you please help me?
[01:01] <Jack_Sparrow> Sweetlew,  I have that in my notes,   mate or ?
[01:02] <Sweetlew> Jack_Sparrow: I'm using Ubuntu Mate 17.04 right now.
[01:03] <Jack_Sparrow> I want to say it was mate-panel --reset  from command line
[01:04] <Sweetlew> Jack_Sparrow: Do I need to restart after that?
[01:05] <Jack_Sparrow> I thought so..
[01:05] <Sweetlew> Because, for right now, nothing has changed after running it.
[01:05] <Jack_Sparrow> Id have to boot a livecd to test it..
[01:06] <Jack_Sparrow> Im not messing up my panel to ck it
[01:06] <Sweetlew> Well, it's just my desktop icons that are missing/hidden. Stuff on the panel is working well.
[01:08] <Jack_Sparrow> Please Read, https://git.io/v1qUo  & share the link output here. Or
[01:08] <Jack_Sparrow> inxi -Fxxrzc0 | pastebin    in a terminal & share the link output here
[01:09] <Sweetlew> pastebin: command not found
[01:10] <Jack_Sparrow> You need to install inxi
[01:10] <Sweetlew> Inxi is already installed.
[01:11] <Jack_Sparrow> do it manually ..
[01:11] <Jack_Sparrow> pastebin
[01:12] <Sweetlew> Same thing...
[01:13] <Jack_Sparrow> copy and paste to any of the pastebin type sites.. but I need to go now anyhow
[01:14] <Sweetlew> Jack_Sparrow: Ok. But I really need to get this fixed tonight.
[01:15] <Jack_Sparrow> Have you added PPA's to get apps off the web ?
[01:16] <Sweetlew> Yes.
[01:17] <Sweetlew> https://pastebin.com/2r0fQz9D
[01:20] <Sweetlew> Jack_Sparrow: Are you still there?
[01:20] <Sweetlew> I can't be left hanging here.
[01:23] <Sweetlew> Can anybody please look at the pastebin link I posted above, and tell me what the damn hell is going on with my desktop icons?
[01:29] <Sweetlew> Anybody? ANYBODY AT ALL?
[01:43] <sweetlew> Jack_Sparrow: Are you here?
[01:46] <sweetlew> Or, anybody else, for that matter?
[01:47] <Astro7467> sweetlew: make sure desktop icons hasn't be turned off in MATE tweak in the control panel
[01:48] <Astro7467> the contents of your desktop is kept in ~/Desktop folder
[01:50] <sweetlew> Astro7467: I already tried that.
[01:52] <sweetlew> I can see them just fine in the ~/Desktop folder, but not on the damn main display.
[01:55] <sweetlew> Astro7467: Are you there?
[01:56] <Astro7467> have you checked the settings in MATE tweak?
[01:58] <sweetlew> Astro7467: Yes.
[01:58] <sweetlew> Would installing another DE help?
[01:59] <Jack_Sparrow> sudo apt-get install mint-meta-mate
[01:59] <Jack_Sparrow> https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=206&t=182605
[02:01] <sweetlew> Unable to locate package mint-meta-mate.
[02:03] <Astro7467> per link, does doing alt-f2 and 'caja - n' restore your icons?
[02:03] <Jack_Sparrow> I have it as default
[02:03] <Jack_Sparrow> Yes  caja is involved
[02:07] <sweetlew> I have pcmanfm-qt installed, as caja was acting buggy on me.
[02:07] <Jack_Sparrow> sweetlew, thats how the icons got screwed up
[02:08] <Jack_Sparrow> too many ppa for me to want to try and untangle it
[02:11] <sweetlew> Jack_Sparrow: Well, they were there when Caja started acting all buggy. So, I thought I'd give pcmanfm-qt a whirl.
[02:12] <sweetlew> So, do you want me to go back to Caja, and see if that solves it?
[02:15] <Astro7467> check this out ; https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/missing-desktop-icons/2660/3
[02:39] <Sweetlew> Somebody mentioned to me in #jupiterbroadcasting about going into~/.config and restting stuff. But, where would I go about resetting stuff for my desktop icons?
[06:38] <ismail_> hi
[11:52] <genival_marty> i need help
[11:54] <Jack_Sparrow> Need to ask a question.. eh
[12:25] <Jack_Sparrow> !find xampp
[16:19] <sage__> hola. tengo un problema con mi portatil y ubuntu mate.
[16:19] <sage__> hello. i have a problem with my laptop and ubuntu mate.
[16:19] <sage__> is this room for english or spanish?
[18:10] <Jack_Sparrow> I speak english
[20:21] <AaronDarron> wassup
[20:22] <ouroumov_> Hi AaronDarron
[20:23] <AaronDarron> I have a question
[20:23] <ouroumov_> shoot
[20:23] <AaronDarron> anyone has raspberry pi
[20:23] <ouroumov_> Some here do, not me personally
[20:24] <AaronDarron> ok guess wont have the problem of partition
[20:24] <ouroumov_> What specific problem is that?
[20:24] <ouroumov_> We've got a number of people with an update issue due to low space on /boot
[20:24] <AaronDarron> yea same here
[20:25] <AaronDarron> I am having that problem
[20:25] <ouroumov_> hang on while I fetch a forum thread
[20:25] <AaronDarron> I have it here
[20:25] <AaronDarron> I just posted there with my opinion of letting the user resize or change partition to their own liking
[20:25] <AaronDarron> so they wont have the problem of update or upgrade
[20:26] <AaronDarron> https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/disk-space-error-boot/12386
[20:26] <ouroumov_> It'd be better for you to post the suggestion on the forum I think, in the dev category
[20:26] <ouroumov_> It'll have more exposure
[20:27] <AaronDarron> I did
[20:27] <AaronDarron> hoping they would listen instead of ignore it cause people will go for another os and make ubuntu mate low rate
[20:32] <ouroumov_> Well, I have attempted to raise concern for this issue myself, but since according to lah7 that's due to to a bug in software update the correct way to go about this is to have the software fixed upstream I think
[20:36] <AaronDarron> well instead of fixing it upstream why not just let the user partition the sd card the way they want it if a user has a 32gb and want to split the partition to 16gb each one for mmcblk0p1 and 16gb for mmcblk0p2 then that wouldn't be a problem update and upgrade the os
[20:36] <AaronDarron> to run perfect
[20:37] <ouroumov_> Well sure, but how would we implement that? And would it be really more simple for the average user than typing two commands in the terminal?
[20:39] <AaronDarron> it will make it more interesting then to not let the user do what they want and need so If i want to partition the main boot I am going to do that by adding more space to it so that if there is an update file that requires 1gb then I am in the safe zone
[20:41] <ouroumov_> Btw I seem to recall there's an "automatic resize" of partitions on rpi first boot, do you know what software is responsible for this? Is it ubiquity or welcome?
[20:41] <AaronDarron> its a welcome when first boot up it takes 5 mins then goes away
[20:42] <AaronDarron> I am just going to pay my friend to remove that app and to find a way to allow users to change make delete partition any time they choice too
[21:10] <coalbase> ihgusdg  im retardedd
[21:10] <coalbase> gelp help help me help meeehh!!!
[22:05] <ouroumov_> Hello coalbase
[22:07] <ouroumov_> Something we can help you with?
[22:40] <AaronDarron> hmm
[23:30] <AaronDarron> hey ouroumov you know anything about kernel
[23:32] <ouroumov_> AaronDarron, if you mean the differences between the regular desktop images and the rpi images then no
[23:33] <AaronDarron> well when I look it up desktop and rpi are the same with lp ppdev and parport


[08:07] <christel> GOOD MORNING
[08:07] <christel> :D
[08:07] <dwatkins> mornin' :)
[08:09] <christel> \o/
[08:09] <christel> how are you this fine morning dwatkins ?
[08:09] <dwatkins> I'm very good thanks, christel - just making my way through the latest on lifehacker, how about your good self?
[08:10] <christel> i am very well! the boy wonder decided to let me have a lie-in, always a bonus! :D
[08:11] <dwatkins> Sundays are for lions, yes.
[08:11] <nja> Hello
[08:11] <dwatkins> hi nja
[08:11] <nja> Anyone here playing around with the Ubuntu Quantal Alpha 3?
[08:12] <christel> <3 lions \o/
[08:12]  * nja bump ^
[08:12] <dwatkins> nja: there are lots of people both in this channel and #ubuntu+1, so I imagine so (although they may be sleeping) - not tried it myself, though.
[08:13] <nja> I just need someone to confirm this bug for me
[08:13] <nja> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1030452
[08:13] <nja> Yes
[08:13] <nja> Also did I report it correctly?
[08:15] <dwatkins> Looks like you have included plenty of data, yeah - does your report mention the version of X11 and the desktop manager in use, nja?
[08:15] <nja> @dwatkins I used apport so I assume so
[08:17] <nja> It may have something to do with not enabling 3D accelleration, I will try with that on
[08:19] <nja> Nope, no difference
[08:27] <nja> I think I may have found another install bug, but I think I've probably just screwed up my VHD
[08:31] <SuperEngineer> Now that's just inconsiderate - a power cut on a Sunday morning :(
[08:31] <dwatkins> That reminds me, I need a UPS.
[08:32] <MartijnVdS> \o/ ups
[08:32] <MartijnVdS> (pronounced "oops" ;))
[08:32] <SuperEngineer> dwatkins: odd - that's exactly what went through my mind
[08:33] <christel> MartijnVdS, SuperEngineer \o/
[08:33] <christel> GOOD MORNING
[08:33] <MartijnVdS> \o christel
[08:33] <christel> how are you wonderful people? :D
[08:34] <MartijnVdS> tired from running ;)
[08:34] <SuperEngineer> christel: tired from running around resetting clocks after power cut ;)
[08:34] <christel> haha i bet! i hate powercuts!
[08:36] <dwatkins> It should be fairly easy to put a battery backup into a 12v clock - alternatively, there's always this sort of thing: http://www.galsys.co.uk/network-clocks-displays/radio-controlled-analogue-clock.html
[08:36] <nja> :D my bug got confimed
[08:36] <MartijnVdS> nja: at least it's not a figment of your imagination then 8-)
[08:37] <nja> @MartijnVdS yes always good to know I'm not insane
[08:38] <SuperEngineer> nja: I find it reassuring to always know I *am* insane ;)
[08:39] <nja> I think I've spotted a new bug too
[08:39] <nja> I just need to reformat to send it.
[08:53] <brobostigon> good morning eveyrone.
[09:00] <nja> good morning brobostigon
[09:00] <parnisa> https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/484112_10151288315461959_661083995_n.jpg
[09:01] <brobostigon> good morning nja
[09:02] <nja> @parnisa Why do we hate the Olympics so much. ;)
[09:03] <parnisa> Its the biggest losers event the greek ever have invented.
[09:03] <parnisa> Thousands participate, only very few become immortal.
[09:04] <parnisa> The rest will be forgotten and have to spend the rest of their eternity thinking of those very seconds that seperated them from eternal stardom.
[09:05] <parnisa> Besides, any Olympics without carriage racing, the main-event of the original games, isnt real Olympics.
[09:05] <parnisa> Today that would probably be considered animal cruelty, but abusing humans is perfectly fine.
[09:14] <popey> morning
[09:14] <christel> morning lovely
[09:14] <brobostigon> morning popey and christel
[09:15] <christel> brobostigon \o/
[09:15]  * christel morning huggles
[09:15]  * brobostigon huggles christel back.
[09:16] <parnisa> theres a lot of complains in the media about lack of information from olympic organizers
[09:21] <SuperEngineer> anybody here got weather-indicator installed?
[09:22] <Laney> yes and it's stopped being able to update
[09:22] <MartijnVdS> parnisa: lack of information?
[09:23] <popey> i uninstalled the weather indicator because it was very crashy
[09:23] <MartijnVdS> I just ask my (Jelly Bean) phone now
[09:23] <jacobw> morning
[09:23] <MartijnVdS> \o/ Google Now
[09:23] <brobostigon> does anyone have android 4.1 here, and can tell me where to find the sync and background data settings please.?
[09:24] <popey> which sync settings?
[09:24] <popey> the accounts you're syncing?
[09:24] <brobostigon> yes.
[09:24] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: they're in the main settings page
[09:24] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: let me get my phoen
[09:24] <Laney> http://www.eoshd.com/content/8584/is-this-bone-chilling-timelapse-shot-in-space-onboard-iss-the-best-ever
[09:24] <Laney> A++ would watch again
[09:25]  * popey looks for his passport
[09:25] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: one question, with sync turned off, can apps still get data, like the background data in 2.3 ?
[09:25] <jacobw> to whom does one apply to for a visa for the moon?
[09:25] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: you can disable background data per app
[09:25] <jacobw> ah, the cheese god, obviously :)
[09:25] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: you can also turn sync on/off per service
[09:25] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: so i can do that, within the apps menu?
[09:26] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: No, the main "Settings" interface
[09:26] <MartijnVdS> then scroll down to the "Accounts" bit
[09:26] <MartijnVdS> then inside those
[09:26] <MartijnVdS> (I have "Google" and "Twitter" on there)
[09:26]  * jacobw is learning node.js today
[09:27] <MartijnVdS> server-side js, poor computer
[09:27] <jacobw> hopefully i'll have a usable pastebin by the end of the day
[09:27] <MartijnVdS> everyone's first web project
[09:28] <jacobw> not blocking the single threaded http server is interesting
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> That's just the result of using event-based model
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> +an
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> POE, Twisted, also do this :)
[09:29] <jacobw> i've done some stuff with twisted as well
[09:29] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: yes, ok, i see google dropbox etc in that list, i have various things like calendar etc set to sync when sync is enabled. however, how do i control what happens, when sync is disabled, i cant see it.
[09:29] <SuperEngineer> Laney: thanks - i thought that might be the case [just reinstalled, no different]
[09:29] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: when sync is disabled, it doesn't sync in the background
[09:29] <MartijnVdS> only when you open the app
[09:30] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ah, i see. ok, thank you.
[09:30] <MartijnVdS> you can disable data per app in the "Data usage" screen
[09:30] <MartijnVdS> (third(?) pref from the top)
[09:30] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ok, :)
[09:30] <Laney> SuperEngineer: bug 1030087
[09:30] <MartijnVdS> I disabled background data for spotify.. it was eating data even when I told it to only use wifi
[09:30] <SuperEngineer> Laney: I've a mind to go in and confirm it
[09:31] <Laney> already is confirmed
[09:31] <SuperEngineer> cool - saves me
[09:31] <Laney> looks like that site earthtools is awol
[09:31] <Laney> not that i've checked the source
[09:32] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[09:32] <nja> Reported another bug: https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/484112_10151288315461959_661083995_n.jpg
[09:32] <nja> darn
[09:32] <nja> wrong thig
[09:32] <nja> please don't look at that
[09:32] <Laney> ok
[09:32] <nja> OK, not so bad, though it was something else
[09:33] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: thinking about it, that is good design.
[09:34] <nja> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1030472
[09:34] <nja> That's it
[09:34] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: I heard they're creating new APIs for "metered wifi" as well (wifi where you pay per MB)
[09:34] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: Not all wifi is free anymore :(
[09:34] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: interesting idea.
[09:35] <nja> @lubontu3 do you really have to post that, I made the thread and I know what it says.
[09:35] <nja> @lubotu3 ^
[09:35] <Laney> it's a bot.
[09:35] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: it is a bot.
[09:35] <nja> Wow
[09:35] <brobostigon> sorry.
[09:35]  * popey reassigns bug 1030472
[09:36] <Laney> and adds an upstream task? ^o)
[09:37]  * popey will try and confirm it
[09:38] <popey> once he has eaten his poached eggs on toast brekkie
[09:38] <Laney> what is porridge made with water and salt like? as grim as it sounds?
[09:38] <popey> i suspect so
[09:38] <Laney> I feel a strange temptation
[09:40] <popey> i am a savoury rather than sweet person, but savoury porridge just sounds/looks unappealing
[09:41] <popey> hmm, thats hard to test in a vm
[09:44] <jacobw> i think it's just scottish porridge
[09:46] <Laney> does that mean it's nice?
[09:48] <jacobw> i'm not sure
[09:51] <Laney> seems like we've decided tomorrow morning's breakfast
[09:51] <Laney> yum yum
[09:56] <alexcockell> Porridge with water and salt - quite common really.. how most of the quick-cook and instant ones work
[09:57] <alexcockell> SToats Berryfeast is a good line..
[09:57] <Laney> sounds like it has berries in it
[09:57] <Laney> VERBOTEN.
[09:58] <jacobw> why verboten?
[10:01] <Laney> then it's not oats + water + salt
[10:02] <alexcockell> Go for their basic one then...
[10:03] <Laney> I think I can manage to whip it up on my own
[10:03] <Laney> really. I was just hoping somebody would tell me that they've had it and it's not that bad.
[10:07] <Myrtti> all "grain+liquid cooked slowly to form a gloopy consistency" is called porridge in Finland... I keep confusing D by wanting to eat "rice porridge"
[10:08] <Myrtti> and in Finland rice or barley porridge can be a valid meal of it's own
[10:11] <alexcockell> The instant porridge to steer WELL clear of is Ready Brek.
[10:11] <alexcockell> According to HCAs I know who;ve had to make it - it's bloody terrible to make up.
[10:14] <popey> my kids used to love ready brek
[10:14] <popey> especially with a dollop of jam in
[10:16] <jacobw> HCAs?
[10:25] <SuperEngineer> popey: +1 to ready brek every time [best "keep your adult self a child" medicine there is]
[10:28] <SuperEngineer> jacobw: HCA = HelpfulAdultCreep
[10:28] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[10:28] <jacobw> that doesn't make sense
[10:28] <SuperEngineer> it does to me
[10:28]  * jacobw gnaws on SuperEngineer untils he's dead
[10:29] <SuperEngineer> keep gnawing buddy - only krytonite harms me - not you
[10:29] <jacobw> yarg!
[10:39] <Seeker`> Laney: its not that bad if you like porridge I guess. But I can only really cope with about 3 spoonfuls of sweet porridge before I get bored of it.
[11:19] <SuperEngineer> ooo - wet stuff falling from the sky - yellow sky sphere gone :(
[11:20] <penguin42> yeh
[11:20] <nja> Not sure what to do about this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1030475
[11:23] <penguin42> nja: Should be against ubiquity - that's the installer
[11:23] <nja> @penguin42 Will change
[11:25] <nja> BEST THING EVER: http://youtu.be/1SbQXvSrVbE
[11:25] <penguin42> nja: Can you just clarify it, you mean if it autonames it something like njadesktop, then you change it to  foo, but undo the change to njadesktop  then it complains?
[11:26] <nja> @penguin42 yes
[11:26] <nja> but I discovered that If I edit another field it shows the true meaning
[11:26] <penguin42> nja: OK, can you explain that a bit more in a comment - it's not quite obvious
[11:26] <brobostigon> doctor who and the daleks, ch5, 12:35. :)
[11:26] <nja> e.g. <TICK>
[11:28] <SuperEngineer> brobostigon: thanks [SuperEngineer hums durum-durum, durum-durum...]
[11:29]  * Flashtek burps
[11:30] <zleap> hey Flashtek
[11:30] <SuperEngineer> [& no need to panic - these Daleks can't climb stairs or fly]
[11:35] <Flashtek> hey zleap
[11:36] <zleap> you going hi
[11:36] <brobostigon> SuperEngineer: :)
[11:37] <brobostigon> SuperEngineer: isnt this the one, where he is a human, not a time lord.?
[11:38] <zleap> Flashtek, chatting on dclug too
[11:39] <SuperEngineer> brobostigon: can't remember... but {we are both} about to find out ;)
[11:40] <brobostigon> SuperEngineer: i think it might have been the first two films where he was.
[11:40] <Flashtek> zleap: so i see...
[11:40] <brobostigon> SuperEngineer: yep, it is, :)
[11:42] <zleap> :)
[11:42] <SuperEngineer> it's also the one with an idiot for a partner [sorry Roy]  ;)
[11:43] <brobostigon> true.
[11:44] <zleap> i am trying to download the game from the raspPIthon and can't open the archive zip file
[11:45] <brobostigon> the doors open the wrong way round. :)
[11:46] <jacobw> nja: i've noticed that bug as well
[11:46] <nja> @jacobw :D not insane
[11:49] <jacobw> i haven't seen it happen with autogenerated hostnames that are unique to the network, but if you use a hostname that existed a few hours ago ubiquity will get an ARP response for that hostname and consider it present
[11:49] <penguin42> jacobw: I think he's saying if you autogen the hostname, go to a manual name and then back to the autogen one it breaks?
[11:50] <jacobw> i think i've seen that too
[11:50] <jacobw> but it doesn't prevent you setting whatever hostname you like :)
[11:50] <zleap> how do i extract a zip file from the command line ?
[11:50] <jacobw> unzip
[11:51] <zleap> thanks
[11:51] <zleap> hmm
[11:51] <zleap> I can't get it to unzip the raspPIthon game
[11:51] <zleap> https://github.com/ryanteck/RasPiThon/tree/master/Raspberroids
[11:51] <zleap> from here
[11:52] <czajkowski> aloha
[11:52] <zleap> hi
[11:53] <ali1234> wow they checked a zipfile into the git repository? wow
[11:53] <ali1234> and a Thumbs.db too
[11:53] <ali1234> windows users lol
[11:53] <zleap> ok
[11:53] <zleap> +so why can't i extract it
[11:54] <ali1234> how did you download it?
[11:54] <zleap> right clickand download
[11:54] <zleap> how are we meant to download it
[11:54] <jacobw> because it's a HTML document
[11:54] <zleap> grrr
[11:54] <ali1234> heh... what he said ^
[11:54] <zleap> why does it have a zip extention
[11:54] <ali1234> tha's a git repo
[11:54] <ali1234> because it's a zip file
[11:54] <zleap> so what do I do
[11:54] <jacobw> `file RasPiThonFinalDownload.zip`
[11:54] <ali1234> but the link is not a download link
[11:54] <zleap> ffs
[11:54] <zleap> so what do I do
[11:54] <ali1234> left click on it
[11:55] <ali1234> then click view raw
[11:55] <ali1234> then it should download properly
[11:55] <ali1234> you';re not supposed to check in zipfiles to a git repo like this...
[11:56] <ali1234> github has a seperate downloads section which is where they should have put the zip
[11:57] <ali1234> github is not dropbox :)
[11:57] <zleap> hang on it still isn't working
[11:57] <popey> clicking that link locked up firefox
[11:57] <ali1234> it's probably corrupted the file due to mimetypes and/or line ending conversion
[11:57] <popey> zleap, "isn't working" doesn't scribe whats happening
[11:57] <ali1234> which link popey?
 https://github.com/ryanteck/RasPiThon/tree/master/Raspberroids
[11:58] <popey> ok, finally now got a response
[11:58] <ali1234> well, there's no reason for that
[11:58] <popey> nvm
[11:58] <ali1234> "view raw" works for me. zipfile opens correctly
[11:59] <ali1234> be warned, it doesn't have a top level directory, so it will spam whatever directory you unzip in
[11:59] <ali1234> windows users lol
[11:59] <zleap> ok i have extracted to a directory on my hdd now what
[11:59] <ali1234> python main.py?
[12:00] <zleap> ImportError: No module named player_info
[12:00] <zleap>   when i do execute in geany
[12:00] <ali1234> but it's obviously right there
[12:00] <zleap> but i have a module called that in the list on the side
[12:01] <zleap> yeah its there
[12:01] <zleap> i know nothing about python or very little
[12:01] <ali1234> rm *.pyc
[12:01] <ali1234> they incuded pyc files, i suspect for the wrong architecture
[12:02] <zleap> ok
[12:02] <zleap> well it still wont' run
[12:03] <zleap> do i need to run make or something first
[12:03] <zleap> (using geany)
[12:03] <ali1234> no
[12:03] <zleap> ok
[12:03] <ali1234> python mainmenu.py
[12:04] <popey> well thats unplayable
[12:04] <ali1234> no it isn't
[12:04] <zleap> opk that works
[12:04] <ali1234> it's just very hard
[12:04] <zleap> mainmenu.py
[12:04] <ali1234> i like the music
[12:04] <popey> i think they have assumed the timing of an arm device
[12:04] <ali1234> but i was expecting a proper asteroids game
[12:05] <ali1234> pygame doesn't work like that
[12:05] <popey> ok
[12:05] <ali1234> what framerate you get?
[12:05] <zleap> ok it works noiw
[12:05] <zleap> now
[12:05] <ali1234> i get about 70fps
[12:05] <ali1234> it's just about playable
[12:06] <zleap> well you got 4people aged 12 - 16 doing this,  so i guess we need to give them some credit,  as it was done over 48 hours
[12:06] <popey> yeah, 70-80fps
[12:06] <ali1234> i managed to shoot and simultaneously get hit by a raspberroid
[12:06] <zleap> hmm
[12:07] <zleap> i would kinda of expect an .py file called game or raspbroids
[12:07] <zleap> raspberroids.py
[12:07] <ali1234> yeah or at least main.py to be ... the main one
[12:07] <nja> Are you making a python game?
[12:07] <zleap> who me
[12:08] <ali1234> i made a python game once
[12:08] <zleap> no just commenting on the fact you need to run mainmenu,py
[12:08] <ali1234> http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/md/
[12:08] <ali1234> it's even harder to figure out how to run it than this
[12:09] <ali1234> this music is really catchy
[12:09] <ali1234> "Adding a dude"
[12:10] <jacobw> i've just been made aware of the 'sad panda' meme
[12:10] <jacobw> my life is better now :)
[12:13] <ali1234> do-do doooooooo, do-do dooooooooo
[12:13] <zleap> yeah the music is good
[12:15] <ali1234> here's another game i made in python: http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/random/th.tar
[12:15] <ali1234> i think that took about 3 hours
[12:15] <ali1234> i stole the graphics from somewhere though
[12:15] <nja> cool
[12:16] <popey> hmm, that bug you filed about usb performance ali1234
[12:16] <popey> i am dding zeroes to a 250GB disk over USB
[12:16] <popey> my browser keeps dimming
[12:16] <ali1234> yeah, that's the one
[12:16] <popey> ~80% iowait
[12:17] <ali1234> so, for th, move with arrow keys, collect coins, and if a skeleton attacks you press space
[12:19] <nja> I want to test more of Ubuntu Alpha, but I think using broken OSes drives me INSANE!!%!"£!!!!
[12:20] <popey> ali1234, whats the bug number again please?
[12:20] <popey> nja, broken how?
[12:20] <ali1234> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/770258
[12:20] <nja> @popey Well it's alpha, it's full of bugs
[12:20] <popey> yeah, more specifically?
[12:20] <ali1234> not reeeaaaally
[12:20] <nja> and shut up @lubotu3
[12:21] <ali1234> the alphas aren't that buggy
[12:21] <ali1234> until the day it breaks totally
[12:21] <nja> @ali1234 I'm finding pleanty of bugs
[12:21] <ali1234> but most the time they're not worse than release
[12:21] <ali1234> yeah... i find bugs in release every day :)
[12:22] <popey> ali1234, i reckon you could reliably reproduce that bug doing what I'm doing
[12:22] <popey> and see if mainline kernel does it too
[12:22] <ali1234> perhaps
[12:23] <ali1234> you mentioned the browser dimming
[12:23] <popey> yeah, all my cores are iowait maxed
[12:23] <ali1234> what seems to happen is that if no i/o, a process can max a core without dimming
[12:23] <ali1234> but as soon as you get i/o, the process will dim if it tries to do a lot of cpu
[12:24] <ali1234> i don't really know how to debug io though
[12:24] <popey> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/111404712/Screenshot%20from%202012-07-29%2013%3A18%3A34.png
[12:24] <ali1234> i've looked at iotop but i can't make sense of it
[12:25] <ali1234> also i'm right in the middle of a wordpress coding project that needs to be done in the next two weeks
[12:25] <ali1234> so i don't really want to start messing with kernels right now
[12:25] <popey> I'll give it a go once this disk finishes, i have another to do
[12:26] <ali1234> not until i deliver this thing anyway
[12:27] <nja> Anyone here used Eclipse Juno?
[12:27] <nja> It's the new eclipse version, after Indigo
[12:27] <nja> It's now gone stable
[12:29] <nja> It's way too sparkly for me
[12:35] <penguin42> nja: I've run it - it's the default on Quantal - or trying to debug my Android app; I didn't notice any differences
[12:35] <nja> @penguin42 On Windows the theme is totally different
[12:35] <nja> Not sure about Ubuntu
[12:35] <nja> I believe ubuntu is still Indigo in the public PPA
[12:36] <penguin42> nja: It's 3.8 on Quantal
[12:38] <penguin42> nja: Ah, Juno is apparently 4.2 - so not sure what 3.8 is
[13:16] <SuperEngineer> ooo - yellow shere back in sky [
[13:16] <SuperEngineer> ]
[13:17] <christel> yay
[13:18] <penguin42> where?!
[13:21] <SuperEngineer> Glos.
[13:22] <SuperEngineer> [rumour has it that it might even show itself to lesser counties sometime some ;) ]
[13:23] <penguin42> If I look carefully I can see some blue sky - a little patch
[13:24] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: ...if you wish hard enough [& tap your heels together three times] it might just..
[13:32]  * brobostigon plays about with face unlock.
[13:36] <SuperEngineer> Study Finds Global Warming Is Real And Man-Made  http://tinyurl.com/warming-real
[13:38] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Having a problem with extremes of weather?
[13:39] <SuperEngineer> nah - not me - just the rest
[13:40] <SuperEngineer> [p.s. current weather is exactly as predicted for this little island of ours - during global warming]
[13:41] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: It would be interesting to record something like how often 'records' of coldest/wettest weather are broken; it's not the individual events but if we keep getting coldest winters followed by wettest summers etc then it would be more compelling
[13:42] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: correct... & we are
[13:43]  * SuperEngineer speaks from the place that first went under-water in July a few years back
[13:43] <penguin42> yeh
[13:43] <brobostigon> face unlock is fun, but very insecure in real terms.
[13:46] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: btw the prediction is for milder winters & wetter summers
[13:47]  * SuperEngineer calculates the energy required to move the jet stream
[13:48] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: We had a pretty nasty winter last year though
[13:49]  * SuperEngineer refers penguin42 to penguin42's own earlier statement re consistant
[13:50] <SuperEngineer> [yea gads - I'm sounding like a politician - save me please!!!!]
[13:50] <penguin42> haha
[13:51] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: I just don't know how long a period you have to go for until you can declare it is part of the effect - I mean there have been really cold periods in the past that have had nothing to do with humans, and heck none of us have been around for long enough to get to understand the patterns over a few decades
[13:52] <penguin42> (I agree it's happening, I just don't know whether to blame this summer on it!)
[13:57] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: basically two choices:  believe or disbelieve results of polar ice-core samples, call it real or call it coincidence
[13:58] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: I believe in climate change and I believe it's probably causing ice melt; I'm just not sure how much it's causing changes in our year-to-year weather
[13:59] <penguin42> (*so far)
[14:01] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: not talking about ice melt - talking about core samples showing millenia of weather changes and the "coincidental" difference pre & post industrial age human.  [this might be going a wee bit off topic for this channel btw]
[14:01] <penguin42> (There's a topic?)
[14:01] <SuperEngineer> dunno
[14:02] <SuperEngineer> just don't to bore the others
[14:02] <SuperEngineer> *want to...
[14:02] <penguin42> I'm not sure any of the others are awake
[14:02] <SuperEngineer> :D
[14:03] <christel> hehe
[14:03] <Pendulum> don't worry, we'll get loud if you bore us too much
[14:03] <SuperEngineer> somebody say boo & prove you're awake
[14:03] <christel> do continue, tis interesting enough ;)
[14:03] <SuperEngineer> wow!
[14:04] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: So yeh that story shows a link between CO2 levels/land temperatures and humans; but what about the quality of summer/winters - I know that in principal there is some possibility to screw up the jet stream and it has misbehaved for us this year - but is that a link?
[14:06] <SuperEngineer> no it's not [neccessarily] a link - but the jet jet-stream moved a few years back [and it's just started returning to "home"position actually]
[14:06] <penguin42> nod
[14:07] <SuperEngineer> I was simply in awe of the amount of atmospheric etc energy difference to do that.
[14:08] <SuperEngineer> & to all those wondering... yes, SuperEngineer does have a serious side after all [so meh!] ;)
[14:08]  * penguin42 isn't sure how you work that out - I mean it's not actually the energy to move n m^3 of hot air; because that air is moving anyway, it's just changing the path a bit
[14:09] <SuperEngineer> damn - just went back to normal /me
[14:10] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: it's about evaporation rates over water, atmospheric densities, temperature differentials,.....
[14:10]  * SuperEngineer blows mind trying to calculate
[14:10] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Nod, yeh and about the way the borders of the different cells interact
[14:11] <SuperEngineer> mais oui monsieur
[14:11] <SuperEngineer> ...& please - nobody mention super-cells
[14:25] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: But the question is whether it'll have more impact on sea life than the elevated caffeine levels ( http://io9.com/5928303/human-urine-to-blame-for-elevated-levels-of-caffeine-found-in-coastal-waters )
[14:33] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: wtf... you wanna start on elevated levels of female hormones in drinking water due to excess pee'd  by by those on hrt as well
[14:36] <penguin42> caffeine is funnier
[14:36] <SuperEngineer> to coin a phrase my own home-blood land "oi moight be daaaft, but oi not be stuuupid"
[14:37] <SuperEngineer> *from my
[14:41] <SuperEngineer> & btw, my home blood is Devon
[14:41] <penguin42> clotted cream blood?
[14:43] <SuperEngineer> yup
[14:43]  * zleap is in devon
[14:43] <SuperEngineer> [the red bits in my blood are jam]
[14:43] <zleap> lol
[14:44] <zleap> i will send count duckula after you, hes vegetarian
[14:54] <SuperEngineer> lol
[15:11] <jacobw> my father uses 'clotted cream' to describe his students as 'rich and thick'
[15:18] <zleap> lol
[15:19] <zleap> nice and non PC greast
[15:19] <zleap> great
[15:49] <jacobw> i want to move all messages not sent by me from folder sent to folder received
[15:49] <jacobw> this doesn't seem to be possible with thunderbird :|
[15:58] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: just go to one folder, Ctrl+A, Ctrl+C, then go to the other folder, Ctrl+V?
[16:00] <jacobw> MartijnVdS: how do i only select messages where From != jacob?
[16:00] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: by searching for them?
[16:01] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: or sorting
[16:01] <MartijnVdS> (and then only selecting the ones you want)
[16:02] <Flashtek> jacobw: use the quick search dobrie
[16:03] <jacobw> i can search for 'from me' and 'to me', but i can't search 'not from me'
[16:04] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: use both and a temporary folder :)
[16:04] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: both "From me"*
[16:05] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: isn't there an 'invert search' or 'invert selection'?
[16:06] <jacobw> it's possible with quick search, because i can exclude 'sender = jacob' from 'recipients = jacob' :)
[16:06] <jacobw> MartijnVdS: unfortunately not
[16:06] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: mutt -f imaps://...
[16:07] <jacobw> ok, the quick filter doesn't consider being a CC to be being a recipient
[16:08] <nja> Hi again all
[16:08] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: mutt -f ~/mailbox
[16:08] <jacobw> i could do that
[16:09] <MartijnVdS> it would work, at least ;)
[16:24] <nja> Welcome yuso6363!
[16:26] <yuso6363> Hi nja :)
[16:26] <nja> @Everyone Meet @yuso6363
[16:30]  * penguin42 plays with the kdenlive video editor - pleasently surprised
[16:31] <MartijnVdS> too bad you have to install most of KDE as well
[16:31] <MartijnVdS> Which takes up a lot of disk space
[16:32]  * penguin42 uses KDE as my main desktop on that ---> machine
[17:52] <zleap> hi
[17:53] <zleap> so how many bug reports or help questions do i need to raise my karma rating above 0
[17:54] <AlanBell> not many, pretty much any use of launchpad should boost karma, but it does expire
[17:54] <zleap> ok
[17:55] <zleap> thanks, i did submit a confimation to a bug report
[17:55] <zleap> so rather than submitting a new one,  i found a similar problem with a different printer and said my printer has the same issue
[17:56] <AlanBell> Almost everything you do in Launchpad helps you to build karma. For example: registering bugs, translating strings and answering support requests. Different types of work earn different levels of karma. Also, the amount of karma a particular action gives you fades over time.
[17:56] <AlanBell> is how it is described
[17:57] <zleap> now that I sort of know what I am doing with launchpad i will see if I can contribute more
[18:08] <Flashtek> launchpad ?
[18:12] <Flashtek> zleap: Wheezy has kernel 3.2 :-)
[18:12] <zleap> OK
[18:14] <Flashtek> zleap: what's launchpad ?
[18:14] <popey> http://launchpad.net/
[18:15] <zleap> Flashtek, system for ubuntu users to collaboate and report bugs,  answer questions etc
[18:16]  * popey wonders how soon before a LGW -> IOM flight one should arrive
[18:16]  * popey thinks 2 hours is too early
[18:16] <popey> monday morning though :S
[18:21] <dwatkins> contingency is good, popey
[18:21] <dwatkins> better to be early and have to do some reading in a quiet spot than rushing to get the plane
[18:21] <Flashtek> Kindle...
[18:46] <czajkowski> poory which airport ?
[18:46] <czajkowski> popey even
[18:52] <AlanBell> popey: is Canonical One not being sent to collect you?
[18:53] <AlanBell> czajkowski: LGW is gatwick
[18:54] <penguin42> popey: Don't you have to x2 for Olympic delays?
[18:59] <czajkowski> alanbell on phone. didnt scroll
[19:04] <popey> czajkowski, gatwick
[19:04] <popey> AlanBell, sadly not
[19:04] <popey> ugh
[19:04] <popey> flight is 9am
[19:05] <zleap> quest has a program on about star trek at 9pm
[19:05] <zleap> trek nation
[19:05]  * popey makes notes to avoid that channel
[19:05] <zleap> i take it you're not a trekkie then
[19:06] <popey> nope
[19:06] <zleap> ok
[19:06] <popey> they are somewhat overrated imo
[19:06]  * penguin42 looks at Popey oddly
[19:06]  * zleap likes star trek
[19:06]  * zleap grabs enterprise technical manual
[19:06] <zleap> :D
[19:06] <christel> i am useless
[19:07] <penguin42> zleap: I came across this earlier: http://www.lettersofnote.com/2010/08/star-trekcasting.html
[19:07] <dwatkins> no-one is useless
[19:08] <zleap> denese crosby ended up as tasha yar iirc
[19:12] <zleap> anyway
[19:13] <zleap> penguin42, interesting
[19:13] <penguin42> zleap: I got lost in that site for a few hours earlier :-)
[19:13] <zleap> lol
[19:13] <zleap> i have a signed piccy of robert beltran
[19:17] <zleap> looks an interesting site that
[19:35] <zleap> any chance of someone dropping in to #lubuntu please to help with a sound issue
[19:55] <popey> zleap, what's the issue?
[19:56] <zleap> pulseaudio  and alsa issues
[19:56] <AlanBell> popey: lubuntu doesn't use pulse yet by default, someone installed vlc and it pulled in enough of pulse to break it
[19:56] <popey> nice
[19:56] <popey> why does lubuntu not use pulse?
[19:56] <zleap> AlanBell, suggested it is due to it being large package for a lightweight distro
[19:59] <popey> don't think I'll ever quite understand lubuntu
[20:00] <gord> pulse is a bit big compaired to just using alsa, but if your gonna base a distro on ubuntu and not use pulse, you are gonna have a bad time
[20:02] <ali1234> yet pulse still causes endless problems...
[20:02] <AlanBell> well in this instance the problem is caused by not using it
[20:03] <AlanBell> I think Ubuntu proper is past the pain point with pulse
[20:03] <ali1234> yeah as long as you don't use wine or skype
[20:03] <AlanBell> I use skype, works fine
[20:03] <AlanBell> don't have any wine applications that make a sound
[20:03] <ali1234> sometimes it works fine, sometimes you get buffer underruns and the audio breaks up
[20:04] <ali1234> pulseaudio -k usually fixes it, though you do have to restart skype as well
[20:05] <AlanBell> ok, I don't use skype very much
[20:05]  * AlanBell has no friends
[20:06] <AlanBell> violin plays
[20:06]  * popey installed the "new" skype today
[20:06]  * popey calls wifey in the other room
[20:07] <DJones> popey: Re your comment about an ubuntu sticker for your car, a friend of the family has a business making signs for cars/buses etc
[20:07] <ali1234> you should get a whole wrap
[20:08] <ali1234> like this: http://www.t444.co.uk/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/vehicle-wrap-1.jpg
[20:10] <DJones> he does things like this http://shop.signed-by.co.uk/images/uploads/impreza_kit.jpg
[20:12] <popey> right, just called wifey in the other room and i had zero problem on ubuntu, her webcam wouldn't work on osx
[20:13] <popey> because (I suspect) chrome had stolen the device, despite her never using the webcam in the browser
[20:13] <popey> closed chrome, webcam worked
[20:14] <AlanBell> google hangout on Ubuntu worked *great* yesterday in the garden
[20:14] <christel> why yes, it had pen *and* babies
[20:14] <AlanBell> love the tripod mount on the webcam
[20:14] <christel> and blacked out people typing furiously without saying a word!
[20:19] <bigcalm> Good evening peeps :)
[20:20] <Pendulum> hiya bigcalm
[20:20] <zleap> Flashtek,
[20:20] <bigcalm> Howdy Pendulum :)
[20:20] <christel> heya bigclam
[20:20] <Flashtek> zleap:
[20:20]  * bigcalm jumps on christel
[20:20]  * christel squeals
[20:20]  * bigcalm gives christel a big hello!
[20:20] <christel> HAI
[20:21] <christel> how are you myd ear?
[20:21] <christel> my dear*
[20:21] <bigcalm> I am _very_ full
[20:21] <bigcalm> Just back from Hayley's parents where there was a bit of a gathering
[20:21] <zleap> Flashtek, it still doesn't like me using zleap
[20:22] <Flashtek> using the right username and password etc ?
[20:22] <Flashtek> and right port ?
[20:22] <zleap> erm
[20:22] <zleap> oh uid and password
[20:22] <zleap> i got in a real mess with those before
[20:23] <Flashtek> uh huh...
[20:23]  * zleap = numpty with znc
[20:32] <ali1234> 29942 al        20   0 2814m 1.9g  61m R  100 11.9 427:12.62 firefox
[20:32] <ali1234> :(
[20:35] <zleap> Flashtek, it won't work
[21:01] <dogmatic69> o/
[21:01] <bigcalm> Evening
[21:20] <Azelphur> does anyone have a bash script that will run a program, and keep it running unless it exits cleanly?
[21:20] <Azelphur> conky keeps crashing on me, gets boring :(
[21:22] <ali1234> use upstart
[21:24] <Azelphur> sounds nice and complicated
[21:49] <jacobw> i've become an op in #node.js by hanging around long enough
[21:49] <jacobw> cool :p
[21:49] <Azelphur> :D
[21:49] <jacobw> upstart isn't complicated
[21:49] <jacobw> http://inportb.com/2011/08/11/managing-a-virtualbox-guest-using-upstart/
[21:49] <jacobw> that's a good example
[22:00] <ali1234> does node.js replace jquery? or is it usual to use them both at the same time?
[22:00] <cliftonts> Hi guys, who fancies a challenge?
[22:01] <directhex> i fancy a mojito. is that similar enough?
[22:01] <cliftonts> doubtful
[22:01] <cliftonts> I'm stumped with a qemu install though, there doesn't seem to be an executable file at all
[22:03] <cliftonts> nobody?
[22:08] <cliftonts> oh well, no idea what I'm going to do then
[22:14] <dwatkins> ...and they're gone
[22:52] <ali1234> ok so i need a javascript function that takes a string like "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw7TY-zPaas&feature=related" and returns "Uw7TY-zPaas"