[00:01] <lifenotfound> does the hibernate feature use a file like windows or the swap partition?
[00:02] <Sysi> swap partition by defaultt
[00:04] <lifenotfound> okay, thanks
[01:03] <xubuntu304> hi
[01:32] <Takeasy> my xubuntu 10.04 got black screen after installtion
[02:01] <Takeasy> my xubuntu 10.04 got black screen after installtion, any solution?
[02:03] <lostson> no error messages or anything like that ? what video card ?
[02:05] <Takeasy> my old laptop
[02:05] <Takeasy> no error message
[02:05] <Takeasy> after loading of xubuntu logo, screen went black
[02:06] <Takeasy> my laptop -   http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/MIGR-53588.html
[03:43] <daedaluz> hello, there's no Xubuntu NBR, so will it work out-of-box on my Eee 901 like Ubuntu NBR does?
[04:48] <llamas612> hey guys, i was wondering if there is any easy way to install gnome alongside xfce?
[04:48] <llamas612> i have xubuntu installed right now
[04:48] <llamas612> and i want to be able to use gnome as well
[04:49] <likemindead> Yes, just "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" (I think).
[04:49] <likemindead> Something like that.
[04:49] <likemindead> That'll install all the GNOME stuff.
[04:50] <llamas612> see
[04:50] <llamas612> the odd thing is
[04:50] <llamas612> i've treied that
[04:50] <llamas612> and it cant seem to find that package
[04:50] <llamas612> and i've updated it
[04:50] <llamas612> i'm on a fresh xubuntu 10.04 install
[04:50] <llamas612> so i'm completely confused why it cant seem to find that package
[04:51] <likemindead> Do you have all the repositories ticked?
[04:51] <llamas612> yep
[04:51] <llamas612> i haven't changed any repo settings since the install
[04:51] <llamas612> i literally finished the install a hour or so ago
[04:52] <llamas612> and i wanted to get gnome on there as well
[04:52] <likemindead> Hmm...
[04:52] <llamas612> someone in the ubuntu help room gave me a copy of his working sources.lst
[04:52] <llamas612> so it cant be that
[04:54] <likemindead> http://imagebin.ca/view/P5_1ghF.html
[04:54] <likemindead> It's there for me.
[04:55] <llamas612> that makes sense
[04:55] <llamas612> i have no idea what my computer is doing
[04:55] <llamas612> i can see the xubuntu-desktop package
[04:55] <llamas612> but not ubuntu, kubuntu or just straight gnome
[04:56] <likemindead> Try changing servers, maybe?
[04:56] <likemindead> Then sudo apt-get update
[05:01] <llamas612> huh
[05:01] <llamas612> well this is interesting
[05:01] <llamas612> in the terminal
[05:01] <llamas612> i can find it
[05:01] <llamas612> ubuntu-desktop
[05:01] <llamas612> at least
[05:01] <llamas612> but synaptic still doesn't list it
[05:02] <likemindead> Terminal FTW.
[05:02] <llamas612> hehe
[05:02] <llamas612> would you happen to know the name for just gnome?
[05:02] <llamas612> so i don't have to install everything that comes with ubuntu
[05:04] <likemindead> I'm not sure how you'd do that.
[05:09] <llamas612> well i think i'll just install ubunut-desktop
[05:09] <llamas612> thanks a lot
[05:27] <xubuntu086> hi in need help
[05:28] <xubuntu086> im installing Xubuntu 10.04
[05:28] <xubuntu086> on a pc
[05:28] <llamas612> yea
[05:29] <xubuntu086> on a pc 85% ate the process of Running dpkg
[05:29] <llamas612> did this happen during the xubuntu install?
[05:29] <xubuntu086> yes
[05:30] <llamas612> and i'm guessing the install didn't finish?
[05:30] <xubuntu086> yes
[05:32] <llamas612> hmm
[05:32] <llamas612> what part of the install did it hang at?
[05:33] <xubuntu086> at the 85%
[05:34] <xubuntu086> finally
[05:34] <xubuntu086> thanks for your time
[05:34] <xubuntu086> now is at the 93%
[05:35] <xubuntu086> well bye llamas612
[05:35] <llamas612> good luck!
[08:03] <nikin> hy. why xubuntu does not obey the icon sizes in a gtk theme?
[14:54] <surumpuly> Hozsanna
[14:54] <surumpuly> Ola ikonia bruder
[15:17] <slow-motion> hi
[15:18] <likemindead> Howdy.
[15:20] <technikfreak> hello together i have xubuntu 10.04 installed
[15:21] <technikfreak> but i have onbe problem each start, skype and pdigin starts automatically after i logged in but i didn't kno why
[15:25] <likemindead> When you log out, tech
[15:25] <likemindead> Un-check the "save session" box.
[15:25] <likemindead> Also, technikfreak, see the Sessions & Startup under Settings.
[15:26] <technikfreak> mh
[15:26] <technikfreak> i have checked out the mark by save session box
[15:28] <technikfreak> and in the settings i dind't see pdigin or skype for uncheck
[15:28] <technikfreak> ah maybe i have found it
[15:46] <Raggs> hi all
[15:50] <Pavitra> I reinstalled the kernel and rebooted. I still have the same symptoms as before, except that the cursor in GDM has been reset to the default cursor theme.
[15:50] <likemindead> What's going on, Pavitra?
[15:51] <Pavitra> GDM doesn't give me a username chooser or a place to type my username in.
[15:51] <Pavitra> I can see the background and the cursor, but no window.
[15:51] <likemindead> Weird.
[15:52] <likemindead> You could try SLiM -- http://slim.berlios.de/
[15:52] <likemindead> It's a really slick alternative.
[15:54] <Pavitra> I'll take a look.
[15:55] <likemindead> antiX MEPIS, a distro I really dig, uses SLiM.
[15:58] <Raggs> antiX has no 64 install tough
[16:01] <Raggs> though
[16:08] <Pavitra> Well, the login screen *itself* seems to be working, but it doesn't seem to take me to a working desktop.
[16:10] <Pavitra> XDM produces similar results.
[17:50] <Minler> So yeah, I need some help, anyone here to give some advice?
[17:50] <Takeasy> cannot use xubuntu
[17:50] <Takeasy> because of poor display card
[17:52] <Minler> How do I remove Xubuntu without it breaking my bootup?  I have Win7 and I tried to format the partition Xubuntu is on and it made it so I couldn't boot to Win till I reinstalled Xu
[17:54] <Raggs> hi, how do i add an entry to grub2?
[18:15] <siumuimui> hello
[18:15] <siumuimui> I am a very new Xubuntu user
[18:15] <siumuimui> just got Xubuntu installed 2 hours ago. the very first time in my life... ever
[18:15] <siumuimui> i installed a copy of Xubuntu to my old PC (bought 6 years ago)
[18:15] <siumuimui> however, i cannot change my refresh rate to 85...
[18:16] <siumuimui> there is only one option and it's 60
[18:16] <siumuimui> however, there is one problem, it blinks too much and my eyes are going blind tonight :(
[18:16] <Black_Prince> I installed 9.10 nearly a year ago, and I could never change refresh rate
[18:16] <lighta> did u guys did xrandr ?
[18:16] <siumuimui> would appreciate if anyone out here can give me some good suggestions.
[18:16] <siumuimui> what is xrandr?
[18:16] <siumuimui> thanks.
[18:17] <lighta> I used it to dual screen
[18:17] <siumuimui> ah.. i don't use dual screen
[18:17] <lighta> but it offer some refresh rate etc support by your card
[18:17] <xubuntu118> list
[18:17] <Black_Prince> I have an old Intel 865 integrated graphic card ... but my monitor is very old ..
[18:18] <siumuimui> yes, i think it's something like this for my crappy old PC too
[18:18] <siumuimui> between, how can i check my hardwares? eg, what kind of hardware I use
[18:18] <siumuimui> which command i should type in my terminal? thanks
[18:18] <Black_Prince> lspci
[18:18] <bazhang> sudo lshw
[18:19] <siumuimui> thanks
[18:19] <siumuimui> let me try
[18:20] <bazhang> pci bus is lspci  usb is lsusb
[18:21] <siumuimui> my problem is actually the refresh rate :(
[18:21] <siumuimui> sigh..
[18:21] <siumuimui> ok, the command is good. thanks, i now know which graphics card i use
[18:21] <Takeasy> cannot use xubuntu
[18:21] <Takeasy> because of poor display card
[18:21] <Takeasy> how can i solve this?
[18:22] <likemindead> What's the hardware, Takeasy?
[18:22] <Takeasy> black screen after loading logo
[18:22] <lighta> ok i've got some other prob. I downloaded a big file 1go move it into /media/Data wich is a share partition with windows then went on windows put didn't see my file, neither when I come back in xubuntu :( where can I found it ? I've check lost+found already
[18:22] <Takeasy> likemindead, http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/MIGR-53588.html
[18:23] <likemindead> You never get to a login screen?
[18:24] <Takeasy> never
[18:24] <Black_Prince> Mine problem was I had only 800x600 and 640x480 resolutions with 60Hz refresh rate
[18:24] <Takeasy> i use 10.04
[18:24] <likemindead> Did you try the Live CD?
[18:24] <siumuimui> god... i have some problems now too
[18:24] <Takeasy> ya, i 'm using LIVE CD
[18:24] <siumuimui> while i am browsing online... suddenly there is black screen
[18:24] <Takeasy> to try without installing
[18:24] <siumuimui> and the computer stops.. (although power is still on)
[18:24] <siumuimui> strange
[18:25] <Takeasy> likemindead, is my problem happens to others?
[18:26] <likemindead> Probably.
[18:27] <likemindead> Once you install and run updates it will probably be okay.
[18:27] <Black_Prince> Something is wrong with 10.04
[18:27] <Black_Prince> I don't know what
[18:27] <likemindead> I have 10.04 on multiple machines and haven't had any serious issues.
[18:27] <likemindead> YMMV
[18:28] <Black_Prince> Ubuntu or Xubuntu?
[18:28] <Takeasy> xubuntu
[18:28] <likemindead> Both, for me. :D
[18:28] <Takeasy> likemindead, i think the problem is because of my display card
[18:28] <likemindead> I prefer Xubuntu, though. :D
[18:29] <Black_Prince> When I installed it, ~16hrs after it was released, something was wrong, so I switched back to 9.10
[18:29] <likemindead> Once you install, Takeasy, there are many ways to work with that issue.
[18:29] <Takeasy> my display card: Intel Extreme Graphics II
[18:29] <Black_Prince> mine too
[18:29] <likemindead> There are different drives and a dimple "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" may fix it right away.
[18:29] <Black_Prince> integrated?
[18:30] <Takeasy> Black_Prince, i don't understand
[18:30] <Black_Prince> Is your display card integrated?
[18:30] <Takeasy> i think it is
[18:31] <Takeasy> my laptop http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/MIGR-53588.html
[18:31] <likemindead> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Resolution
[18:31] <likemindead> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[18:32] <Black_Prince> Mine is "Out of range" I have checked it long time ago
[18:35] <Takeasy> resolution problem?
[18:35] <Takeasy> i did n't see any "out of range" text
[18:36] <Black_Prince> Yea
[18:36] <Black_Prince> On windows i can use 100Hz refresh rate
[18:36] <Black_Prince> and over 1600x1200 resolution
[18:36] <siumuimui> mine is  82845G intel integrated graphics
[18:37] <Black_Prince> but on xubuntu i can only use 800x600 and 640x480 display modes on 60Hz refresh rate
[18:37] <siumuimui> with windows, i simply need to install the driver and that's it.. but the auto run disk for windows cannot work in xubuntu
[18:37] <siumuimui> i wonder where to find out the graphics driver inside my xubuntu
[18:38] <Black_Prince> It is preinstalled
[18:38] <Black_Prince> xserver-xorg-video-intel
[18:38] <Black_Prince> oh yes, and I installed older driver, version 2.4 and I got 2 more resolution options, 1024x768 and one more ...
[18:40] <likemindead> There's an intel915 (or something) driver that helped on some of my machines.
[18:40] <likemindead> That's the beauty of Linux, the variety of options! :D
[18:41] <Black_Prince> yes
[18:41] <Black_Prince> but I don't have time for it
[18:41] <likemindead> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/i915Driver
[18:41] <Black_Prince> before 9.10 I had all resolutions and modes that my monitor supported
[18:42] <siumuimui> i wonder if there is a way to change refresh rate thru command terminal? thanks
[18:42] <siumuimui> i'm playing around with the xrandr without much luck
[18:42] <siumuimui> sorry if i am asking so many quetsion, really new xubuntu user :P
[18:42] <lighta> oh so you tryed xrandr ?
[18:42] <Takeasy> can u solve my problem? likemindead
[18:43] <lighta> what the list it gave you ?
[18:43] <lighta> siumuimui,
[18:43] <likemindead> Try that last link, Takeasy.
[18:43] <Takeasy> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/i915Driver?
[18:46] <Takeasy> i tried 10.10
[18:46] <Takeasy> it works
[18:46] <Takeasy> but have problems too
[18:46] <Takeasy> there are two apps that always poping up
[18:47] <siumuimui> @lighta yes, typing a lot of xrandr in terminal
[18:48] <lighta> siumuimui, can you show me result ? I'll try to help with command
[18:49] <siumuimui> result?
[18:49] <siumuimui> no results.. no change
[18:49] <siumuimui> computer screen keeps blinking
[18:49] <siumuimui> i just want to change refresh rate :)
[18:49] <siumuimui> ahah
[18:50] <siumuimui> thanks so much @lighta
[18:56] <lighta> ? siumuimui when you just type xrandr doest it gave you a list of possibly output for your screen ?
[18:58] <siumuimui> yes, @lighta it did!
[18:58] <siumuimui> mine is 1152x864 and refresh rate at 60*
[18:59] <lighta> hmm ok but it didn't show you the possibility you wanted ?
[19:00] <siumuimui> no
[19:01] <lighta> =(
[19:01] <siumuimui> or maybe you tell me what kind of things i should typ?
[19:01] <siumuimui> type?
[19:04] <lighta> hmmm you could type xrandr --output LVDS1 --rate 100
[19:04] <siumuimui> sigh
[19:05] <lighta> but it probably switch on the one already define by resolution mode
[19:05] <siumuimui> lighta
[19:05] <siumuimui> i typed
[19:05] <lighta> yes ?
[19:05] <siumuimui> xrandr --output VGA --mode 800x600
[19:05] <lighta> why VGA ?
[19:05] <siumuimui> and then my screen blinks like crazy with all the words dancing in the monitor :(
[19:05] <lighta> is it a laptop you have ?
[19:05] <siumuimui> coz with LVDS, the terminal said it's IGNORE command
[19:06] <siumuimui> no, desktop. old desktop i bought in 2004
[19:06] <lighta> well when you do xrandr it gave you a little * on actual mode and output card it's name up there
[19:07] <siumuimui> yes
[19:07] <siumuimui> on the line
[19:07] <siumuimui> 1152x864    60*
[19:07] <lighta> yeah
[19:07] <lighta> and up there VGA1 ?
[19:07] <siumuimui> yes
[19:07] <siumuimui> VGA connected 1152x864+0+0 (normal left........)
[19:08] <lighta> ok
[20:34] <xubuntu739> he
[20:34] <xubuntu739> hey
[20:34] <xubuntu739> anyone on?
[20:50] <IncrStorm> Is there a forum topic for simply Xubuntu on the Ubuntu forums? God love it, it's light, but I need it a bit lighter, and I know there is slop. I need to tighten mine.
[21:33] <zouille> hello, how defragmenter xubuntu?
[21:34] <Raggs> i dont think it is needed
[21:34] <genii> !defrag
[21:35] <zouille> how ?
[21:55] <IncrStorm> He just told you the docs for how. I was under the impression that most linux distros were handling this automatically.
[21:56] <MaKuB3x> hi everybody
[21:56] <IncrStorm> hello
[21:56] <Raggs> hi
[21:57] <MaKuB3x> i want to change my gdm theme
[21:57] <MaKuB3x> but I don't know how
[21:57] <IncrStorm> I'll pop in again, since we have new visitors....Is there a specific Xubuntu forum at ubuntoforums
[21:57] <IncrStorm> ?
[21:57] <MaKuB3x> Im using xubuntu 10.04
[21:58] <IncrStorm> gdm is your window manager right?
[21:59] <MaKuB3x> what is by default??
[22:00] <IncrStorm> I mean, don't think I'm an idiot, I'm pretty sure that's Gnome, and that's part of why I did Xubuntu rather than Ubuntu.
[22:00] <IncrStorm> For Xubunto it should be Xfce4.
[22:01] <IncrStorm> At least, that's how mine came up.
[22:01] <Raggs> gdm just handles logging in
[22:01] <IncrStorm> Aha, I knew I wasn't right, but it is a "gnome" development, isn't it?
[22:02] <Raggs> gdm?
[22:02] <Raggs> the gnome desktop manager
[22:02] <IncrStorm> Yea, please tell me if I'm wrong.
[22:02] <Raggs> but xubuntu does use gdm
[22:03] <Raggs> MaKuB3x, is that what you want to change?
[22:03] <MaKuB3x> in a forum I reed I need go to: xfce menu/ Settings / Configuration of loginscreen
[22:03] <MaKuB3x> but I dont have it
[22:04] <Raggs> i am sorry, but i am not running xubuntu
[22:06] <IncrStorm> Raggs : my apologies, you are totally right, I've got 3 processes. I thought the Xubuntu was trying to eliminate some of the fluff
[22:06] <Raggs> IncrStorm, no appologies, i am not right that often
[22:07] <IncrStorm> MaKuB3x , Do you know how to find the Xubuntu forum?
[22:08] <MaKuB3x> yes
[22:08] <MaKuB3x> tnks
[22:08] <IncrStorm> Raggs , I just started this distro 2 weeks ago, and I can promise, I'm right almost never, but I was under the assumption that the gnome situation was heavy. That's why I changed distros.
[22:08] <Raggs> heavy how?
[22:10] <IncrStorm> This machine is a frankenstein that is running on a compaq presario with a hard motherboard. 256  megs of pc-100 ram is all I've been able to get in the two slots.
[22:10] <IncrStorm> I need less shit running, and less memory used, hence, Xubuntu.
[22:10] <Raggs> i see what you mean
[22:10] <lifenotfound> hi, the popup notification does not dock with the notification area, can I move it? screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/QCc0Y.png
[22:11] <Raggs> lifenotfound, i have not a clue
[22:13] <lifenotfound> i'm guessing it has to do with the 1024x600 display on the netbook, but it's just an annoyance, no biggie
[22:13] <IncrStorm> Raggs : I know there is a ton of stuff running that I don't want or need. Some of which I loaded. LOL. I need access to smb but I don't want to OFFER anything, so I don't need the daemon.
[22:14] <MaKuB3x> C ya
[22:14] <MaKuB3x> tnks all
[22:14] <Raggs> IncrStorm, i suppose you can kill the deamon then
[22:15] <IncrStorm> lifenotfound : I've heard from a friend that resolution and screen stuff can cause some issues. Occasionally when I boot, I don't get a panel. He said it was to do with that sort of thing.
[22:16] <IncrStorm> Raggs : I'd rather kill it where it starts automatically, but I am REALLY naive about a lot of linux.
[22:17] <Raggs> IncrStorm, look for startup applications in the menus
[22:19] <Raggs> i am off for a while, i will return
[23:44] <slow-motion> n8
[23:57] <Venim> so i just updated to 10.04 from inside the OS
[23:57] <Venim> and i'm stuck at a splash screen that says "keys:Continue to wait; or Press S to skip mounting or M for manual recovery"


[04:29] <Kilos> morning peeps
[04:36] <nlsthzn> o/
[04:43] <Kilos> hiya nlsthzn
[04:44] <nlsthzn> how are you uncle Kilos?
[04:44] <Kilos> ok ty and you? head not too bad today so yay
[04:44] <Kilos> you home?
[04:47] <Kilos> nlsthzn: teach me how to go to the re-evaluation thing and be able to edit it please
[04:48] <nlsthzn> do you have a launchpad account uncle Kilos?
[04:48] <Kilos> ya
[04:49] <Kilos> ~msdomdonner
[04:49] <Kilos> hehe
[04:49] <nlsthzn> :)
[04:50] <nlsthzn> open this link
[04:50] <nlsthzn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ReVerificationApplication2014
[04:51] <nlsthzn> then click on logon at the top and enter the same e-mail address and password you use for launchpad
[04:51] <Kilos> it shows me there and logout option
[04:52] <nlsthzn> so you are already logged in :)
[04:52] <Kilos> now why is it doing that today
[04:52] <nlsthzn> so what you can do is click on edit
[04:53] <Kilos> i just want to check punctuations
[04:53] <nlsthzn> ubuntu uses sso - single sign on , if you log into something to do with ubuntu on one site you can access other ubuntu sitews
[04:53] <nlsthzn> top left there is a buton called edit
[04:53] <Kilos> oh now it shows them in seperate lines
[04:54] <Kilos> so thats good then
[04:54] <nlsthzn> perhaps someone else already edit it
[04:54] <nlsthzn> but still open it for editing and play around editing it and remember to save when done :P
[04:54] <Kilos> i read it on a normal page and it was a line with no punctuation
[04:55] <Kilos> i wont play much nlsthzn , im scared to mess up
[04:56] <nlsthzn> best way to learn
[04:56] <nlsthzn> which part were you not happy with btw?
[04:56] <Kilos> ya but not with an important thing like this
[04:56] <Kilos> only 15 days away
[04:57] <nlsthzn> you can edit it and add maia as team contact again if you want to try it
[05:00] <Kilos> i added maia
[05:01] <Kilos> and saved
[05:05] <Kilos> it will have to do nlsthzn ty for the help
[05:07] <Kilos> hi Tonberry_
[05:20] <nlsthzn> Kilos: will just need to get her launchpad account and make it a link too later
[05:34] <bduk1> More almal
[05:38] <Kilos> hi bduk1
[05:38] <Kilos> nlsthzn: youll have to do the link stuffs
[05:40] <Kilos> looks like only us got anytime anymore
[05:40] <Kilos> even me only
[05:42] <Kilos> i think we must just push for a good turnout on the night so they can see peeps are still here but just work and life and family uses up most of everyones time
[06:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all
[06:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> anyone played with setting up an encrypted partition on an external HDD?
[06:31] <jrgns> Mmmm, nope, only on internal drives
[06:31] <jrgns> is it that different?
[06:33] <Squirm> morning guys
[06:33] <Squirm> jrgns: I wouldn't think so. You'd just have to unlock the drive every time you connect it
[06:34] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy jrgns Squirm
[06:34] <jrgns> Hi Kilos. You're a bit late, I've been here for hours :)
[06:35] <jrgns> Squirm: that's what I thought
[06:35] <Kilos> sorry sir, been looking at our re-verification thing and also outside with sheep and fowls
[06:37] <Kilos> got one lamb that should have died 4 days ago
[06:47] <Kilos> oh and making garlic+ chili sauce
[06:54] <Kilos> and starting to build up a box that will suit my needs, cant understand why they put place for 4 cdroms
[07:10] <nlsthzn> ok uncle Kilos I will link it :)
[07:10] <Kilos> ty nlsthzn
[07:11] <Kilos> ill ask maia to just check everything when she has time and see if she thinks everything is ok
[07:13] <nlsthzn> done uncle Kilos... check out the code I used and you can do it next time...
[07:13] <Kilos> hey
[07:15] <nlsthzn> there are some things we need to remove (the comments that say what is needed in what areas) as well as perhaps to ensure we have linked all the links we have and don't miss saying something we have done
[07:16] <Kilos> oh in them bracket things
[07:16] <Kilos> i can never remember that nlsthzn
[07:17] <Kilos> jou werk is jou werk
[07:18] <Kilos> please dont let someone say on reverification night some links dont work
[07:18] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:18] <Kilos> ill send the ahab mafia after you
[07:18] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[07:22] <Kilos> inetpro: instead of teatime or lunchtime please check out the re-verification thing
[07:22] <Kilos> and add your testimonial
[07:22] <Kilos> hehe
[07:22] <inetpro> haha
[07:23] <inetpro> will look at it when I have time
[07:23] <inetpro> which may or may not be today
[07:23] <inetpro> unlikely today
[07:26] <Kilos> thats fine ty sir, we got 15 days still
[07:26] <Kilos> ill ask maia to just check it out about 5 days before due date
[08:21] <Squirm> how is everyone today?
[08:27] <superfly> tired
[08:46] <Kilos> hi gremble
[08:46] <Kilos> family ok superfly ? is that why you tired?
[08:47] <gremble> Good morning Kilos
[08:47] <gremble> And everyone else
[08:49] <Squirm> superfly: indeed
[08:50] <superfly> Kilos: I had to get up at 5 this morning, to take the 5:30 train.
[08:53] <gremble> Only criminals take the 05:30 train
[08:54] <Kilos> ai! shame man
[08:54] <Kilos> ya gremble but they take it home
[09:09] <Kilos> sjoe! nothing new here since 2013
[09:10] <Kilos> http://ubuntu-za.org
[09:18] <gremble> Lol apparently contestants for Miss South Africa are not allowed to have tattoos
[09:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> no tattoos at all, or no visible tattoos?
[09:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> if its no tattoos at all, how does one apply to be on the panel that does those verifications? :-D
[09:20] <gremble> Visible tattoos. But they have a bikini parade, so that severely limits places for tattoos to be
[09:20] <gremble> :P
[09:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> haha
[09:20] <gremble> "I call it permanent lipstick'
[09:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> the opening double quote and closing single quote is making me crazy :-o
[09:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> I need to get out more
[09:23] <gremble> Ya same, but I cannot change it now
[09:23] <gremble> Happens when you lie on the bed and type
[09:27] <Kilos> lol
[09:32] <Kilos> ptown has a nice place for crazies called groendakkies
[09:42] <gremble> weskoppies also
[09:46] <Kilos> haha
[09:46] <Squirm> Hmm
[09:46] <Squirm> Maaz: ?
[09:46] <Maaz> Squirm: Sorry...
[09:46] <Squirm> strange
[09:46] <Kilos> dont make graeme crazy, he looks after hetzner stuffs
[09:46] <Kilos> wassup Squirm
[09:47] <Kilos> you just left for a while
[09:47] <Squirm> I see that
[09:47] <Squirm> but my bouncer left for a while
[09:47] <Squirm> not me
[09:50] <Kilos> hehe
[09:50] <Kilos> i tried to make maaz reply to ? but he dont like those arguments i think he said
 Sorry, I'm not interested in empty factoids
[09:51] <Kilos> haha
[11:05] <Squirm> I just wanted to see if I was connected
[14:39] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:15] <mekilos> yoohooo
[15:19]  * mekilos loves fixing what others break
[15:31] <mekilos> hi theblazehen why so quiet
[15:32] <Kilos> ya its me from another pc enquiring
[15:47] <Kilos> Maaz: seen golynx
[15:47] <Maaz> Kilos: golynx was last seen 6 days, 19 hours, 54 minutes and 9 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-11-25 11:53:11 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2014-11-25 12:03:51 PST
[16:53] <mekilos> hi Joe_knock
[16:53] <Joe_knock> Hello oom
[16:53] <Joe_knock> Lost your IRC password?
[16:54] <Kilos> nope im also on a pc i just rebuilt with a i3 motherboard that crashed
[16:55] <Kilos> so i score an i3 motherboard
[16:55] <Joe_knock> Lucky you
[16:55] <Kilos> ian thought it was the cpu or mother board that [acket up
[16:55] <Kilos> packet
[16:56] <Kilos> ya now its in the box that was single core p4
[16:56] <Joe_knock> wouldn't you need RAM, etc. for it?
[16:58] <Kilos> it came with 4g ddr2 which doesnt fit any of my other pcs otherwise i wouldnt even have tried to get it going again
[16:58] <Kilos> the mb was a present from our friend in the uae, then i gave it to ian and he crashed it
[16:58] <Joe_knock> That will last you at least 4 years or 10
[16:58] <Kilos> so now i have to test it good
[16:59] <Kilos> i dont know why it crashed
[16:59] <Kilos> thats the million dollar question
[16:59] <Kilos> so im  going to try that linux tool that stresses a pc to see
[17:00] <Kilos> stresslinux i think its called
[17:00] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:14] <Kilos> hmm... thats better
[17:15] <Kilos> everything is so much better on a full tummy
[17:21] <Kilos> Maaz: coffee on
[17:21]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[17:25] <Kilos> hi my magespawn
[17:25] <Kilos> get coffee quick
[17:25] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[17:25] <Kilos> too late
[17:26] <Kilos> Maaz: ty
[17:26] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[17:26] <magespawn> hi Kilos
[17:48] <Kilos> magespawn: will you look at our re-verification page and see if you see anything needs doing please
[17:48] <Kilos> and add your testimonial
[17:49] <Kilos> Maaz: re-verification
[17:49] <Maaz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ReVerificationApplication2014
[17:57] <Kilos> naand inetpro
[17:57] <Joe_knock> Maaz: coffee off
[17:57] <Maaz> Joe_knock: *blink*
[17:57] <Joe_knock> Maaz: coffee on
[17:57]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[17:58] <Joe_knock> aah
[17:58] <Kilos> Maaz: coffee please
[17:58] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay
[17:58] <Kilos> Maaz: coffee for all
[17:58] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already
[17:58] <Kilos> so hows Joe_knock today?
[18:00] <Joe_knock> I'm great oom, hoegaanit?
[18:00] <Kilos> baie goed dankie
[18:01] <magespawn> sure Kilos
[18:01] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Joe_knock and Kilos!
[18:02] <Kilos> Maaz: gracias amigo
[18:02] <Maaz> ¡de nada compadre
[18:06] <Joe_knock> "for many years and it continuous to be a brilliant source of" spelling error in continues
[18:07] <Kilos> hey?
[18:07] <Kilos> say that in english
[18:10] <Joe_knock> On the wiki page, one testimonial said "continuous" but it should be continues
[18:10] <Kilos> edit it
[18:10] <Joe_knock> do i need an account?
[18:12] <Kilos> ill do it
[18:12] <Kilos> but yes you need to be with launchpad i think
[18:13] <Kilos> is it fixed Joe_knock ?
[18:14] <Joe_knock> nope, it is right at the bottom, by nlsthzn testimonial
[18:14] <Kilos> i just changed it and saved, reload the page
[18:15] <Joe_knock> nothing still :-/
[18:15] <Kilos> oh my i go see again
[18:17] <Kilos> and now
[18:17] <Kilos> ticked a different save button
[18:19] <Joe_knock> fixed
[18:19] <Joe_knock> :D
[18:19] <Kilos> yay
[18:20] <Kilos> lemme know if you see more please
[18:26] <Kilos> evening ThatGraemeGuy 3g again?
[18:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> yup
[18:26] <Joe_knock> ThatGraemeGuy needs his own satellite
[18:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> I think MTN upgraded a tower, getting HSDPA nowadays instead of 1 bar of EGDE
[18:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> EDGE too
[18:27] <Kilos> great
[18:27] <Kilos> no lekker without a good connection
[18:45] <Kilos> Maaz: spell limitted
[18:45] <Maaz> Kilos: Suggestions: limited
[18:45] <Kilos> Maaz: ty
[18:45] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[18:52] <Kilos> there. i added my bit too. please edit my mistakes
[18:54] <Joe_knock> Nice testimonial.  :D
[19:01] <Kilos> no man
[19:02] <Kilos> the post office paid about R600 a month in those days and lifesaving wasnt even R100
[19:02] <Joe_knock> :O
[19:03] <Kilos> most lifesavers then did it voluntarily on weekends and during leave
[19:03] <Joe_knock> If I ever live near a beach, ill do it voluntarily too
[19:04] <Kilos> i dont know if i did the link thing right. i copy/pasted nuvos and just added me in place of him
[19:04] <Kilos> hehe
[19:05] <Kilos> out of holiday season the is very little for lifeys to do
[19:05] <Kilos> there
[19:06] <Joe_knock> maar dis daarem lekker om near die strand te bly.
[19:06] <Kilos> lovely
[19:07] <Kilos> only drawback is rust
[19:08] <Joe_knock> for how long did you stay in toti?
[19:09] <Kilos> about 20 years i think
[19:09] <Kilos> maybe 10 then pmb and northern natal
[19:10] <Kilos> not sure , about 30 years total in natal
[19:11] <Joe_knock> shooh
[19:11] <Joe_knock> dis lank
[19:11] <Kilos> lol
[19:12] <Kilos> there is a web design job going in durban now
[19:12] <Kilos> just saw it in dbnlug mail
[19:12] <Kilos> pay 10-15k a month
[19:17] <inetpro> good evening
[19:17] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[19:17] <inetpro> hello oom
[19:18] <inetpro> nice to see my connection actually working for a change
[19:18]  * inetpro been struggling with a very unstable 8ta contract SIM
[19:19] <Kilos> ai!
[19:19] <Kilos> not your router
[19:19] <Kilos> mine rocks
[19:19] <inetpro> well funny enough the prepaid SIM was working fine when the other was unstable
[19:20] <Kilos> just mail them and theyll fix it
[19:20] <inetpro> but can't work too long on prepaid, getting very expensive
[19:20] <Kilos> or tweet them then they sort it even quicker
[19:20] <inetpro> well I logged a call on Saturday and am still waiting for a techie to call
[19:21] <Kilos> best to talk directly to the data peeps
[19:21] <Kilos> 183 i think is the number
[19:22] <Joe_knock> Why do you guys not use ADSL or WISP? No connection/signal ?
[19:22] <Kilos> no fone lines
[19:22] <Kilos> copper theft
[19:22] <inetpro> Kilos: well they're quite quick to help on the chat interface as well, but they can not get into much detail
[19:23] <Kilos> chat interface?
[19:23] <inetpro> on the page where you check your data
[19:24] <inetpro> under Help see "Chat to an Agent"
[19:24] <Kilos> oh wow i didnt even notice that
[19:24] <inetpro> but only problem is that you need to be online for that to work
[19:24] <Kilos> yeash
[19:24] <Kilos> yeah too
[19:25] <inetpro> happened several time this weekend that even the prepaid was unstable
[19:25] <Kilos> the tweet thing is best i think, then they tweet you to email them
[19:25] <inetpro> Joe_knock: no physical lines anymore in my area
[19:25] <inetpro> all stolen
[19:25] <Kilos> is it not some bird that knocked you yagi skeef
[19:26] <inetpro> Kilos: I got onto the roof this weekend but no, was not that
[19:26] <Joe_knock> copper theft has been a problem for at least 10 years, we should've had fibre a long long time ago
[19:26] <inetpro> Joe_knock: I agree
[19:26] <Kilos> signal strenght the same as it always was?
[19:27] <Kilos> strength
[19:27] <inetpro> sad that only a very small part is covered for FTTH in Pretoria at this stage
[19:27] <inetpro> at least from Telkom's side
[19:28] <Kilos> eventually theyll be all over
[19:28] <Kilos> except maybe to plots
[19:28] <Joe_knock> It'll take at least 10 years
[19:28] <Joe_knock> apparently brooklyn is zoned for FTTH
[19:28] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:31] <Kilos> hi mekilos
[19:31] <mekilos> hi Kilos
[19:31] <Kilos> haha
[19:33] <inetpro> almost thought that my Huawei B960 packed up
[19:33] <inetpro> shocking to see how expensive it would be to get a new router
[19:33] <Kilos> why what happened
[19:33] <magespawn> the really sad thing is that the copper has been stolen
[19:33] <Kilos> lol
[19:33] <inetpro> Kilos: no I mean with the instability
[19:34] <inetpro> magespawn: oh I somehow almost got used to that
[19:34] <Kilos> when you run mtr what do you see
[19:34] <Kilos> where is it bad
[19:35] <inetpro> Kilos: terrible packet losses, as in 0% for 1 or 2 seconds and varying percentages of losses for 10 or more seconds
[19:35] <Kilos> eish
[19:35] <Joe_knock> What exactly can you do with stolen copper cables? Use it for wiring and stuff?
[19:35] <Kilos> they sell the copper
[19:35] <magespawn> this is sort of situation you could expect from the platteland, but in or near the cites?
[19:35] <Kilos> burn off the plastic cover
[19:36] <Kilos> copper is like golds
[19:36] <Kilos> gold
[19:36] <inetpro> Joe_knock: copper thieves are so desperate for the stuff they even steal the water meters with tiny bits of copper
[19:36] <Kilos> Joe_knock: they even broke in here and stole all extension cords and welding cables etc
[19:37] <Joe_knock> There must be a massive underground market for it
[19:38] <Kilos> they often show those they have caught
[19:38] <Kilos> truck loads full
[19:39] <Kilos> they used to steal 3ks of power lines here nearly every month till they were changed to aluminium
[19:41] <Joe_knock> Could've made some money if somebody was manufacturing copper-equivalents
[19:45] <Kilos> lol
[19:59] <inetpro> good night
[20:00] <Kilos> night inetpro sleep tight
[20:20] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[22:40] <magespawn> good night all


[03:46] <Takyoji> Hah, it would be amazing if I could somehow make a way that I could plugin my foldable keyboard into my smartphone. xP
[03:46] <Takyoji> both Palm products
[03:46] <Takyoji> just not sure what type of communication the keyboard uses
[03:46] <Takyoji> whether it's something proprietary or standardized
[22:23] <Takyoji> Anyone favor any specific Arduino retailer?
[22:24] <_diablo> nope. sorry, I don't even know what those are


 @saveurlinux lutin11 [well, that my fault, I've got a Meizu Pro 4 and not 5], Hate it when I do something like that
[06:07] <ubptgbot> feelwind was added by: feelwind
 Launcher Modular has been updated … https://open-store.io/app/launchermodular.ubuntouchfr … - Correct sort app after search … - hide favorite app if set … - Correct scroll for favorite app in settings … - Update translation … - Add libertine apps … - New installation method (it is recommended to apply the - default launcher again
[06:45] <ubptgbot> if it was done before) … - Correct duplicated favorite app … If your default launcher is Launcher Modular, you have to restore the dash and then return Launcher Modular. … We have improved the installation so that it does not quit anymore and act with the Ubuntu orange button
[08:40] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> Hey guys, can you please send me a link that will take me to Messaging app on GitLab ? I can't seem to find it almost as if it's not being worked on anymore. I just need to submit an issue.
 @mark alexa [Hey guys, can you please send me a link that will take me to Messaging app on Gi …], https://github.com/ubports/messaging-app
 It does still live at github. That's why you won't find it at gitlab. 😉
[08:42] <ubptgbot> cyb3rpunk2002 was added by: cyb3rpunk2002
[08:53] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> @Danfro [It does still live at github. That's why you won't find it at gitlab. 😉], I don't use GitHub. Can anyone submit an issue for me ? Deletion of multiple messages isn't working. When you select messages you want to delete it will delete just one. I don't know if this concern Nexus 5 only.
 Is there a multiselect mode at all?
 I can only multiselect whole conversations to different contacts. Within one conversation I can only select single messages.
 I can do the report, but we need to make sure if that is an error or a feature request. 😉
[09:07] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> As of now it allows you to select messages you want to do something with but when you tap on trash can it deletes only the bottom one out of the selection.
 @mark alexa [As of now it allows you to select messages you want to do something with but whe …], Hm, strange. I can not even multiselect more than one message. Is it tap and hold?
[09:44] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> I'm holding one message for 2 secs than it switches itself into selection mode and then it allows me to select as many messages as I want.
 🤔 Nothing happens here. So likely worth an issue then anyway. 😉
 i think he's referring to conversations.......
 i can confirm that behavior with conversations
[10:53] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> messages / conversations
 I dont see that issue. you cannot delete multiple messages at once.
 You can with multiple conversations by lngpressing
 and that works
 Hm, even stranger. Select a few conversations. And then scroll up a fair bit. The selected conversations exept of the last one get unselected!
 *longpressing
 And that might be causing this issue.
 If your conversations are on one screenpage it might work.
 @Danfro [Hm, even stranger. Select a few conversations. And then scroll up a fair bit. Th …], let me try that
[10:57] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> The messages app still needs some work, yeah ...
 If they are spread among several pages, you delete only the last on, because the others get deselected.
 You need to scoll up far enough that the selected conversation leaves the screen a fair bit.
 I dont see that happen
 and I have quite a few convo's in my list
 RC?
 same
 here
 :)
 what device?
 E5
 mine is a Pro5
 mmm i have seen weird stuff happen with qml listview in different resolutions
 Could you file a bug for that issue though
 Huh, if I do select two conversations from somewhere in the middle and then scroll upwards. The upper one gets deselected and the very last conversation is selected.
 hang on yeah
 now the weirdness starts
 in my case deselecting and then scrolling up and down *sometimes* causes them to reappear as selected
 my head hurts
 okay I will try to do a bug report myself as I now see some of what you guys are saying. hard to pin it down exactly though
 OK, thanks. We may add information later...
 yup
 i will drop the link in a minute
[11:25] <ubptgbot> <Furnace McOven> Hey guys, will the Nexus 5 video playback be fixed anytime soon. It’s one of the last few things forbidding me from truly adopting Ubuntu touch as my main OS
 wasnt the Nexus5 camera issue fixed in the last OTA?
 Camera yes. Not playback
[11:44] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> Shooting pictures was, but shooting a video is still a no-go on Nexus 5.
 @mark alexa [Shooting pictures was, but shooting a video is still a no-go on Nexus 5.], You can record videos. But the playback is still not working. Workaround UTmedia
[11:45] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> Just last week I went to a wedding and was asked to film and I had to ask my friend for his Android 'coz I can't shoot videos on UT.
[11:47] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> @malditobastardo [You can record videos. But the playback is still not working. Workaround UTmedia], Not on my N5. It freezes as soon as you flip to video mode.
 @mark alexa [Not on my N5. It freezes as soon as you flip to video mode.], Are you on OTA 10?
[11:48] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> @malditobastardo [Are you on OTA 10?], Ohh ... no I haven't upgraded yet. So I take it as you can film since OTA 10 but can't playback what you've recorded.
 You can record since OTA 9 but yeah. Playback issues are still present
[11:50] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> What format it film in though ? If it's mp4 or avi you can playback it on your laptop .....
[11:51] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> Is anyone here using the Uber app on UT ?
[11:52] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> .... not really an app 'coz it fires up the browser and loads mobile version of the site :)
 @mark alexa [.... not really an app 'coz it fires up the browser and loads mobile version of …], Well. It's on uber to develop an app to UT
 @mark alexa [.... not really an app 'coz it fires up the browser and loads mobile version of …], [Edit] Well. It's on uber to develop an app for UT
[11:53] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> @malditobastardo [Well. It's on uber to develop an app for UT], 😂
[11:54] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> UT has about 1800 users. I can see that happening.
 I would  between 5 and 10k users.
 @mark alexa [UT has about 1800 users. I can see that happening.], Well this is a collaborative effort. We are all responsible here.
[12:03] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> It can be done if Uber provides public-facing API for external devs.
 @Danfro mark @Fuseteam https://github.com/ubports/messaging-app/issues/131
[12:04] <gitbot> ubports issue 131 in messaging-app "multiselect operations in threads(conversations) are behaving strangely" [Open]
 feel free to add
 Downloads of the latest version for Filemanager,  more than 5800...
 and some people always use Canonical UT
[12:41] <ubptgbot> Arjun Kannur was added by: Arjun Kannur
 @matv1 [feel free to add], 👍 Thanks.
 Fwd from TotalSonic: the new update for Launcher Modular is excellent - Libertine apps now all appear in the list and it replaces the Dash correctly - and even pops to the top when pressing the Meizu Pro 5's forward facing physical button
 @mark alexa [It can be done if Uber provides public-facing API for external devs.], docs are here - it would be awesome to have a real native app for Uber for sure - https://developer.uber.com
[16:39] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> I second that. Especially now knowing that Uber is giving away API free to use. Any coder who have nothing to work on right now ??? 😉
 @jimmy_UbunTouch [Launcher Modular has been updated … https://open-store.io/app/launchermodular.ubun …], thank you!  This update is excellent - the one problem I have seen is that many of the Libertine apps do not have their own icons appear correctly - but that is a minor issue
 @TotalSonic [thank you!  This update is excellent - the one problem I have seen is that many …], Indeed we have a problem with the icons, we try to solve the problem
 @jimmy_UbunTouch [Indeed we have a problem with the icons, we try to solve the problem], one other issue I am seeing now - sometimes the Weather applet looses contact with the server and just has a constant spinning blue circle animation (which seems to also increase battery drain)
 @mark alexa [I second that. Especially now knowing that Uber is giving away API free to use. …], perhaps we could get some donations together and offer a bounty for this
 my calls only work via loudspeaker.. (nexus 5) i wonder if that could be a hardware issue..?
 @TotalSonic [perhaps we could get some donations together and offer a bounty for this], If you can thank you all noted your problems on: … https://framagit.org/ubuntouch-fr-dev/launcher-modular/issues … for donations a page is under construction. … Thank you for your interest.
 @jimmy_UbunTouch [If you can thank you all noted your problems on: … https://framagit.org/ubuntouch- …], 👍
[18:31] <ubptgbot> <J F> I am not recieving group messages sent from friends using android and iphone. Are there any modifications I can make to get this to work? I am using oneplus one
 @J F [I am not recieving group messages sent from friends using android and iphone. Ar …], No sorry, SMS group messages and MMS have a lot of issues still ^^
[18:40] <ubptgbot> <J F> @Flohack [No sorry, SMS group messages and MMS have a lot of issues still ^^], Ok. Thanks for the reply
[18:41] <ubptgbot> <J F> Also wanted to know how to get anbox on the phone. I do not see it in the open store
 @J F [Also wanted to know how to get anbox on the phone. I do not see it in the open s …], Its a manual process at the moment as this is alpha grade software. There is a high chance that it might fail or drain your battery etc ^^
 You find the info in the forum
[18:44] <ubptgbot> <J F> @Flohack [Its a manual process at the moment as this is alpha grade software. There is a h …], ok. I will wait until further development
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/SLq8MOkh.webp
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/6zxK52ck.webp
 Sorry water and screens don't work well together
[19:17] <ubptgbot> Martin Menzel was added by: Martin Menzel
[19:50] <hallyn> not infrequently, if i switch from app A to B and back to A, then I cannot pull the keyboard up on app A again.  (at least terminal and messaging have done this).  Sometimes futzing around like switching tabs will help, but sometimes I just have to close the app and restart it.  Is this known?
[19:51] <hallyn> i'm probably getting to the point wher ei should really try building a rootfs so i can start plucking at app source...
 No need to build a whole rootfs for that. Check out https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/contribute/preinstalled-apps.html
 And https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/systemdev/index.html
 Btw, what's included in the -minimal rootfs?
 Is it only bare xenial + hybris stuff without UI?
 I would suspect not
 Check out its description please
[19:56] <ubptgbot> <Jose Luis> (Photo, 719x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/EORDMPu0.png
 That is a very nice phone Jose Luis, but I don't think it can run Ubuntu Touch
[20:00] <hallyn> thanks i'll read that
[20:03] <hallyn> i also have tried for some time to get the phone to hotspot.  starting to think the radio on the nexus 4 just isn't doing wpa right?  just "nmcli device wifi hotspot con-name cn ssid cn password somepassword should work, right?
[20:06] <ubptgbot> Ashad Muhsin was added by: Ashad Muhsin
[20:09] <ubptgbot> <Ashad Muhsin> Hello I’m looking for xenial edge hybris i386 rootfs image. I’m trying to port to Zenfone 2 x86 I have system and Halium boot built using the tutorial and watching the YouTube guide. The guide says contact the developers if you have x86 phone
 We do not currently have an i386 rootfs for Ubuntu Touch and we do not build any i386 packages. Sorry to say, but that is unlikely to change.
 @hallyn [i also have tried for some time to get the phone to hotspot.  starting to think …], hotspot doesn't work on nexus4, it's hidden in the UI
 It appears that CPU does have a 64-bit instruction set, but I don't think our packages are set up to correctly work with hybris on x86-64 either
 @UniversalSuperBox [It appears that CPU does have a 64-bit instruction set, but I don't think our pa …], they are not. they are built for mesa only. there's probably a fair bit of work to get things working correctly on x86 hybris
 probably also why the old emulator pretty much never really worked
[20:13] <hallyn> @dohbee - I assume you're saying it's hidden because i'ts konwn to know work?
[20:13] <hallyn> (it being hotspot)
 @hallyn [@dohbee - I assume you're saying it's hidden because i'ts konwn to know work?], right. mako is hardcoded to disable the UI because it wasn't working; i don't recall who exactly worked on that at canonical, to answer more specifically what is wrong. i think there was an open bug in launchpad, which the code might have a comment ref
[20:14] <ubptgbot> erring to, though
[20:14] <ubptgbot> <Ashad Muhsin> Okay can you use the old Ubuntu touch i386 image with halium-boot
[20:14] <hallyn> that's really too bad :(  I love the size of the phone.  pinephone, nexus 5, and purism are all too big :(
[20:14] <hallyn> oh, ok, so it's not necessariliythe hardware
[20:14] <hallyn> i'll search lp, thanks
 @Ashad Muhsin [Okay can you use the old Ubuntu touch i386 image with halium-boot], there is no i386 image; old nor new
[20:16] <ubptgbot> <Ashad Muhsin> I found a vivid-preinstalled-touch-i386.tar.gz 536.5 MiB online. So was wondering
[20:18] <hallyn> (found it, #1487157)
 15.04 (vivid) was end of life a long time ago, so it won't be very useful if you do get it running, and it will have lots of security holes that won't be fixed. and you will still have the issue with hybris
[20:21] <hallyn> well maybe i do just get a nexus 5 - it's not *that* much bigger
[20:22] <ubptgbot> <Ashad Muhsin> Are the rootfs’s incompatible. I mean I checked the armhf roofs xenial one with this and the files are different the flashing stage complains about no usb-tethering in /bin which is not there on the 15.04
 @hallyn [well maybe i do just get a nexus 5 - it's not *that* much bigger], nexus 5 is much nicer hardware than nexus 4, too. but they are also known for failing physical power buttons (fair warning).
 @Ashad Muhsin [Are the rootfs’s incompatible. I mean I checked the armhf roofs xenial one with …], yes. if you wanted to use the very old 15.04 preinstalled tarball from canonical, you would be on your own. that version of ubuntu is no longer supported, and we can't help you port it.
[20:23] <hallyn> i just got the 4 to try ubtouch on, wasn't intending to keep it...  but i love this little thing :)
[20:24] <hallyn> so the 5 sholud have working hotspot;  and better android support;  newer kernel...  hm how new a kernel
 @hallyn [so the 5 sholud have working hotspot;  and better android support;  newer kernel …], i think they both have kernel 3.4
[20:24] <hallyn> oh :(
[20:24] <hallyn> i thought i read that nexus 5 had 4.x
[20:25] <hallyn> (enabling full lxc support)
 nope
[20:25] <hallyn> thanks
 @mark alexa [.... not really an app 'coz it fires up the browser and loads mobile version of …], there's a way to fix that! hmm where should make tutorial hmmm
[20:26] <ubptgbot> <Ashad Muhsin> Is this on a like roadmap x86 (i386 or x86_64) the userland
 @matv1 [@Danfro mark @Fuseteam https://github.com/ubports/messaging-app/issues/131], cool
[20:27] <gitbot> ubports issue 131 in messaging-app "multiselect operations in threads(conversations) are behaving strangely" [Bug, Open]
 @Ashad Muhsin [Is this on a like roadmap x86 (i386 or x86_64) the userland], i don't think so. but there are at least amd64 builds of packages in ubports repos
[20:28] <ubptgbot> <Ashad Muhsin> Would have been cool to try wine on it see what programs could work
 can zenfone run on mainline kernel?
 i guess the GPU is problematic though
[20:32] <ubptgbot> <Ashad Muhsin> Sorry do you mean Halium kernel or official Linux? I haven’t tried but I did get cm/lineageos built
 official
 technicallly there's no halium kernel
 @Fuseteam [technicallly there's no halium kernel], it's an aosp kernel
[20:33] <ubptgbot> <Ashad Muhsin> I could try but wouldn’t it require patches or I’ll just try with ASUS or  lineageos 14.1 kernel config
[20:34] <ubptgbot> <Ashad Muhsin> Or stock 3.10.xxx config
 @dohbee [it's an aosp kernel], indeed
[20:40] <ubptgbot> <Ashad Muhsin> I will try to boot using mainline kernel to boot android or the 15.04 preinstalled i386 touch image? That will work?
 why are you stuck on this idea of i386?
 try to see if there is a working postmarketOS build for your device, or one with same cpu/gpu
 i saw 5 kernel booting on lge nexus 5
 it seems pretty good and working project
[20:50] <ubptgbot> <Ashad Muhsin> This device only has android ports that is all. i like this device because the architecture is same as desktop pc. I wonder using wine and play old pc games for fun just to see it work
 There was a kernel for some gen of zenfone that allowed for kvms running on top of android so you could run any os you wish, you might want to check it out
[20:59] <ubptgbot> DanielS79 was added by: DanielS79
[21:08] <ubptgbot> <Ashad Muhsin> Thanks I’ll look into it
 @Fuseteam [there's a way to fix that! hmm where should make tutorial hmmm], well - the current Uber webapp is something I just threw together using Webapp Creator, which is the extent of my abilities as far as this stuff goes.  It used to work better, but then Uber changed its website, and my attempt at fixing didn't work.  I think the
[21:26] <ubptgbot> re are a few bugs as well as some needed feature enhancements for Webapp Creator if done would make it a better tool.  But for those of us that use ride sharing services like Uber and Lyft - UT native apps would be excellent to have, as while you can hail a ride using their websites, only their apps give you access to all the feautres their service
[21:26] <ubptgbot> s provide.
 @TotalSonic [well - the current Uber webapp is something I just threw together using Webapp C …], note that just because there is some API available, doesn't mean it is meant or designed for the same purposes as official apps for the service. more often than not, the APIs are for integrating other sites, rather than for building client app
[21:37] <ubptgbot> s
 @dohbee [note that just because there is some API available, doesn't mean it is meant or …], true that.   Lyft's API page seems to make me think a UT native app could be coded for it - but as I am not a developer I don't know - https://www.lyft.com/developers/products/ride-request
 @TotalSonic [well - the current Uber webapp is something I just threw together using Webapp C …], well i was referring to a way to fix the "webapps opening morph" bug
 @TotalSonic [well - the current Uber webapp is something I just threw together using Webapp C …], [Edit] well yes … i was more referring to a way to fix the "webapps opening morph" bug
 it involves editing the desktop file directly
 and letting gitlab ci do its magic
 @Fuseteam [well yes … i was more referring to a way to fix the "webapps opening morph" bug], yup - which is something that Webapp Creator has a hard time preventing for some sites.  Of the 16 webapps I have posted up in the Open Store only 3 of them have this bug though.  A tutorial on how to edit the desktop file directly for total no
[21:45] <ubptgbot> obs would be appreciated!
 yes i'm not sure where to post it
 i can try and tell you if you wish?
 @Fuseteam [yes i'm not sure where to post it], post in in the "Support" board of the UT Forum https://forums.ubports.com/category/37/support
 hmm i'm not really on the forums
 @Fuseteam [hmm i'm not really on the forums], ok - you can send it to me and I will repost it there
 hmm how comfy are you with the terminal?
 @Fuseteam [hmm how comfy are you with the terminal?], I can use it
 type this 'ls /opt/click.ubuntu.com'
 your webapp should be listed among others
 you can than ls it like this:
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/F4JN90Y9.png
 this desktop file should be edited
 with the appropiate urls
 .........i lost you didn't i @totalSonic
 [Edit] .........i lost you didn't i @TotalSonic
 Ok - thanks - will save these instructions for later and I will see how far I get in editing a desktop file next time I try to fix a webapp
 Editing the desktop file should fix it on your device
 if you have questions just pm me
 cool, thanks!
 @libremax [Downloads of the latest version for Filemanager,  more than 5800...], sounds like 5k to me :p
 @Jose Luis [<reply to media>], when is the port ready @UniversalSuperBox?
[23:38] <ubptgbot> <Sebastien Vienneau> Is there a package for Linux in general more for Debian Stable that will allow you to allow users to reset their password on first login similar to what schools and business have for new employees...?
 @Sebastien Vienneau [Is there a package for Linux in general more for Debian Stable that will allow y …], Again, this is not a general linux help channel. Please ask that somewhere more appropriate, like maybe `#debian` on freenode irc


[03:54] <happyaron> JackYu: will have a look soon
[06:01] <happyaron> FJKong: how can I test fcitx-qimpanel's skin support? just build master and install on saucy?
[07:15] <happyaron> JackYu: will do the update soon, today or weekend, :)
[07:15]  * happyaron is busy working on ibus during this week.
[07:17] <JackYu> happyaron, OK:)
[07:17] <happyaron> maxiaojun: Bug 1249208 should be fixed for Unity/GS, not sure what's the effect for KDE users.
[07:18] <happyaron> maxiaojun: haven't pushed SRU for saucy, please give some input if you have time to try, :)
[07:19] <maxiaojun> 知道了
[07:37] <FJKong> happyaron: yes, just build and install
[07:37] <FJKong> happyaron: besides, you can follow steps in Readme
[07:39] <happyaron> FJKong: do you think we are ready to release a version to upload to trusty?
[07:39] <happyaron> so that we are able to make the feature land in the archive earlier
[07:39] <happyaron> lenky JackYu ^^^
[07:42] <lenky> hi~
[07:42] <FJKong> sogou skin is not support 100% yet, but still can be treated as an alpha version
[07:42] <FJKong> hi lenky
[07:43] <lenky> what is up?
[07:44] <lenky> about fcitx?
[07:58] <happyaron> 是啊，是不是先release一个版本出来，传仓库里给大家测试
[07:58] <happyaron> 哪怕功能不完整，也不能等快freeze了再传啊。
[08:14] <ypwong> there's nothing 100% in open source world :)
[08:14] <ypwong> let's release early, release often
[08:15] <JackYu> happyaron, FJKong, lenky, 我也认为应该先集成一个版本，至少可以给我们内部测试一下。
[08:15] <JackYu> ypwong, +1
[08:15] <FJKong> yep
[08:15] <FJKong> agree
[08:16] <JackYu> OK, 那你们谁负责打这个package呢
[08:19] <happyaron> JackYu: 打包我来吧，但是得先release tarball
[08:20] <JackYu> ok， 那lenky来release tarball.
[08:21] <lenky> 提交一下pull request?
[08:22] <happyaron> lenky: 你tag一个版本啊
[08:22] <happyaron> lenky: 怎么是pull呢……
[08:45] <lenky> Kong 的代码没有还合过来呀
[08:52] <FJKong> 什么？
[08:53] <FJKong> 我这没有代码需要给你提交的了


[05:14] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> DJones: seems like he was short minded..
[06:23] <EriC^^> !ping
[06:46] <EriC^^> morning lotuspsychje
[06:46] <EriC^^> o/
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> work guys
[06:53] <ducasse> good morning all
[06:57] <Ben64> lol
[06:57] <Ben64> guy came in just to rant
[06:58] <EriC^^> he's right though, about the channel being dead
[06:58] <Ben64> i don't think that's accurate
[06:58] <EriC^^> it's appauling really, spammers spam the channel, it's +r goes from 1900users to 1000
[06:59] <Ben64> oh
[06:59] <Ben64> that is low
[06:59] <EriC^^> they basically won
[06:59] <EriC^^> how so
[06:59] <Ben64> no i mean low number
[07:00] <EriC^^> the channel is +r nobody knew to linux is going to try registering and whatnot, you know how people would join and be like "what is this?" not anymore
[07:00] <Ben64> will +r go away though
[07:01] <EriC^^> it's been on for couple months i guess
[07:01] <ducasse> not that long, maybe a month
[07:01] <EriC^^> nah i think 2 at least
[07:02] <Ben64> 92086 lines in #ubuntu August 2017
[07:02] <EriC^^> i think it's just lazy, like killing the sheep cause of a bad wolf
[07:02] <Ben64> 232196 lines in August 2016
[07:02] <Ben64> :(
[07:02] <EriC^^> or lets put the sheep in a concrete building and call it a day
[07:06] <EriC^^> !ping
[07:08] <m4dh4tt4> came in to rant? i came in, asked a Q and spent 10 mins trying to help someone. You then assumed that a JPG i recovered was acquired illegally, ignored both questions on the table and then went afk. Last time i was here I spent like 30 hrs helping peeps and got nothing but greif.  I liked being here and
[07:08] <m4dh4tt4> learnt a ton helping people but just know that pretending this place is full of juveniles is a little overboard especially at 2:00am and youre gunning for the only guy assisting others.
[07:09] <m4dh4tt4> to clarify im not begging to stay
[07:09] <m4dh4tt4> just stating facts
[07:09] <EriC^> !ping
[07:10] <m4dh4tt4> ive read a ton about spam but havent seen any at all? do you guys mean elsewhere or here
[07:12] <m4dh4tt4> also registered users is helpful because it ensures you're talking to same person
[07:13] <ducasse> you obviously weren't here when it happened, mid-august was a huge flood of it
[07:16] <m4dh4tt4> makes sense haha i come back on to a ton of warnings and no visible spam
[07:16] <m4dh4tt4> was it a paticular vuln with link spamming or people just decided it was a great place to advertise all of a sudden?
[07:17] <ducasse> cp links
[07:17] <Ben64> m4dh4tt4: was a rant dude
[07:17] <m4dh4tt4> Ben64, i do apologize for barking back
[07:17] <Ben64> if you have a problem with ops theres #ubuntu-ops
[07:19] <m4dh4tt4> im merely suggesting a little more lenency/positive encouragement to those with good intentions, do as you wish , its your show, i dont need to #ubuntu-ops ive said what i have to say
[07:19] <Ben64> but it's not the right forum for that
[07:19] <m4dh4tt4> as in like, right now
[07:19] <m4dh4tt4> ?
[07:19] <Ben64> it's like going to the cashier at a grocery store and yelling at them about what the manager did
[07:19] <Ben64> they just work there man
[07:19] <Ben64> they aren't involved with the operations
[07:20] <m4dh4tt4> its like going to a grocery store, all cashes are open, but the guy on isle 9(you) says go to cash 1 cuz you only have 3 items and thats express,
[07:20] <m4dh4tt4> its ok though i get it
[07:20] <m4dh4tt4> youre more into the rules than you are dialogue eh
[07:21] <m4dh4tt4> or resolution
[07:21] <Ben64> well i'm not an op
[07:21] <m4dh4tt4> wait wait
[07:21] <Ben64> as a guy who hangs out in #ubuntu, it's weird to see someone come in and start complaining about something that happened months? ago
[07:22] <m4dh4tt4> so ure not an op here and youre still telling me im off topic when theres ZERO other conversation being interrupted, ZERO people asking for help and its purpose is to improve channel relations?
[07:22] <Ben64> oh so you just like being mad at people
[07:22] <m4dh4tt4> i LEFT for 2 months and came back, was HELPING and within 3 mins youre making wild accusations/assumptions that my data recovery process on someones computer whom you dont know was illegal?
[07:23] <Ben64> i made no such accusations
[07:23] <ducasse> different guy, man, check your logs
[07:23] <m4dh4tt4> and no, i dont like being mad, thats why i asked you to ban me cuz theres no sense in being in a channel with a person who negates the CORE PURPOSE to boost his ego
[07:24] <m4dh4tt4> damn
[07:24] <m4dh4tt4> i yam le fool
[07:24] <m4dh4tt4> my bad
[07:25] <m4dh4tt4> i just assumed that since you read the dialogue and tried to belittle the rant that you were same dude
[07:27] <Ben64> reading through the scrollback it seems you overreacted
[07:27] <m4dh4tt4> ya i did, apologized
[07:28] <Ben64> i mean in #ubuntu
[07:28] <m4dh4tt4> yep
[07:28] <m4dh4tt4> cant apologize there, begged for a ban lolol
[07:28] <Ben64> well, i'm confused
[07:29] <Ben64> back to my graph making...
[07:32] <Ben64> https://i.imgur.com/JbW3Ntz.png
[07:32] <Ben64> there we go, freshly graphed graph
[07:33] <Ben64> number of lines in #ubuntu by month
[07:34] <ducasse> interesting
[07:35] <Ben64> yeah i thought so
[07:35] <EriC^> !ping
[07:35] <Ben64> should remove that +r i guess
[07:35] <Ben64> but freenode needs to be better at killing spam
[07:36] <Ben64> or that spammer just needs to die
[07:38] <ducasse> the spam flood that triggered the +r seems to have happened around aug 17th, but the numbers have been dropping all year according to this
[07:38] <EriC^> ducasse: nah it's been semi steady, around 2017 may it went down greatly
[07:39] <EriC^> that's around the time of the +r , i remember the +r started when my dad was here for a visit, he came in early june
[07:39] <Ben64> yeah it went really sharp down recently according to that
[07:39] <Ben64> also, i have 5.6GB of irc logs
[07:39] <EriC^> but there is a sort of deflection point the start seems odd
[07:40] <EriC^> around 4th 5th month of 2017
[07:40] <Ben64> i filtered out the joins and parts and stuff
[07:40] <Ben64> it's also possible that my computer didn't log everything
[07:42] <EriC^> !irclogs
[07:42] <Ben64> hmm
[07:44] <EriC^> yup it's way lower
[07:46] <EriC^> wget -q -O- https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/09/06/%23ubuntu.txt | wc -l gives me 974
[07:46] <EriC^> same for 2016 gives 2140
[07:48] <Ben64> i get 2090 / 894
[07:48] <Ben64> pretty close to the official record
[19:24] <ducasse> i get the feeling this guy is trying to hide something...
[19:26] <Bashing-om> ducasse: I trust your "feeling" :)
[19:26] <BluesKaj> maybe he mucked up his grub wih one of those fix your grub apps that break your system
[19:27] <BluesKaj> I fell into that trap back in the day
[19:28] <BluesKaj>  /dev/sda0 ?
[19:28] <ducasse> when asked for reliable info: "maybe i'll just sleep now and fix this tomorrow" - then he's gone
[19:29] <BluesKaj> yup
[19:30] <ducasse> grub seemed ok enough, it booted the kernel. i'm thinking his root fs had problems. impossible to say with no other info than "it's failed", though...
[19:53] <Bashing-om> Nap time for me ! Back - later :P