[01:02] <jodi2> anybody know a good way to back up my server, ive tweaked it and its working perfectly i'd like to do an image or mirror backup
[01:02] <smmagic> Should be working itself
[01:02] <dgjones> !backup > jodi2
[01:03] <jodi2> !backup
[01:03] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[01:03] <jodi2> !cloning
[01:03] <ubotu> To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type  dpkg --get-selections > ~/my-packages , move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type  sudo dpkg --set-selections < my-packages && apt-get dselect-upgrade  - See also !automate
[01:04] <WaltzingAlong> !sbackup
[01:04] <ubotu> sbackup is a tool to create complete and/or incremental backups (which can be scheduled to be automatic, and can be done over a network). It is available in !Universe
[01:04] <cherva> tell me a program that supports dvd menus and play from folder options ?
[01:06] <WaltzingAlong> !info vlc | cherva
[01:06] <ubotu> cherva: vlc: multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.6.release-0ubuntu4 (feisty), package size 1131 kB, installed size 3192 kB
[01:11] <LSD-25> damn. is there ANY timeout for unused nicknames to expire?
[01:11] <LSD-25> grr
[01:11] <smmagic> I never knew that
[01:11] <WaltzingAlong> LSD-25 unregistered nicks?
[01:11] <Festplatte> i could use any cryptic nickname to make sure it isn't been taken already
[01:12] <Festplatte> the last 5 i chose were taken already
[01:12] <Festplatte> meh
[01:12] <Abanta> HA!
[01:12] <gregshallard> what chmod number should /home/user have?
[01:12] <WaltzingAlong> think different(ly)?
[01:12] <Abanta> gregshallard: 700 imo
[01:13] <smmagic> Anyone know why the keyboard always stop responding on java?
[01:13] <smmagic> Getting annoying
[01:13] <astro76> gregshallard, 755 is default but you can change to 700 to make your home private
[01:13] <arun> is there anything i can do about the ugly right click menu for flash files?
[01:13] <gregshallard> thanks Abanta and astro76 :)
[01:14] <smmagic> Is there anyway to stop the keyboard from freezing
[01:14] <Abanta> gregshallard: you could also define to not want to have systemwide readable home directories so you could use 700 to make sure only you get into it
[01:14] <Abanta> gregshallard uhm
[01:15] <Abanta> there is a system wide setting
[01:15] <Abanta> for new accounts to be created
[01:15] <Abanta> well
[01:15] <Abanta> dunno
[01:15] <Abanta> hehe
[01:15] <Abanta> meh
[01:15] <Abanta> at least now my atheros wlan adapter works flawlessly with ubuntu 7.10
[01:15] <Abanta> \o/
[01:16] <Abanta> not sure if i can use it already if i did not login yet, like use it on the console
[01:16] <Abanta> hm
[01:16] <Abanta> this NetworkManager thing still is a bit weird to me
[01:16] <Abanta> brb getting coffee
[01:16] <WaltzingAlong> mocha
[01:16] <Abanta> MOCHA
[01:17] <loca|host> hello all
[01:17] <loca|host> anyone know a way to install atheros wifi cards ?
[01:17] <WaltzingAlong> !wifi
[01:17] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[01:17] <Abanta> loca|host: did you try if it just works with 7.10?
[01:18] <arun> If I have a separate /home partition, how do i install gutsy so as to not overwrite the partition?
[01:18] <Abanta> arun: don't mount it while choosing manual partition
[01:18] <loca|host> 7.10 is beta, not ?
[01:18] <erUSUL> loca|host: RC now
[01:18] <Abanta> loca|host: it's in release candidate state and it works for me
[01:18] <arun> Abanta: That's it?
[01:18] <Abanta> arun: think so...
[01:19] <Abanta> arun: just define a root partition and some swap
[01:19] <loca|host> ok am going to upgrade so
[01:19] <WaltzingAlong> arun: select to have it mounted as /home but do not Format it
[01:19] <Abanta> loca|host: well
[01:19] <Abanta> loca|host: if you like to use your already existing home partition just mount it as home not formatting it in the installer partitioner
[01:19] <[chr0n0s] > hello all
[01:19] <loca|host> Abanta, can you reming me its codename so i can update my sources.list ?
[01:19] <Abanta> loca|host: codename? wha? :))))
[01:19] <loca|host> hahahhaa
[01:20] <iNoob> what command you use to check any hidden files on home
[01:20] <arun> WaltzingAlong: alright. is it better to upgrade from feisty or to do a fresh install of gutsy?
[01:20] <loca|host> knew it :D
[01:20] <iNoob> Ls~ /home?
[01:20] <opexoc> Why the same script of cron is in /etc/rc2.d and /etc/rc1.d and /etc/rc0.d?
[01:20] <Abanta> loca|host: i'm A-BAN-T4 of Borg, resistance is futile! BEEP!
[01:20] <erUSUL> !upgrade | loca|host
[01:20] <ubotu> loca|host: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[01:20] <protocol1> arun, fresh is always better
[01:20] <Abanta> loca|host: oh now i know what you mean, you wanna upgrade to 7.10?
[01:21] <arun> protocol1: If I install it fresh, what about all the application settings in my /home ?
[01:21] <loca|host> Abanta, yes
[01:21] <smmagic> When gutsy coming out?
[01:21] <loca|host> from feisty
[01:21] <atlfalcons866> #ubuntu+1
[01:21] <[chr0n0s] > protocol1 : but you will save some hassle of configuring if you upgrade
[01:21] <erUSUL> loca|host: just changing sources.list and doing dist-upgrade is not the safest way of doing things
[01:21] <[chr0n0s] > smmagic : 18th OCT
[01:21] <arun> protocol1: i assume all the apps will also be upgraded, right?
[01:21] <atlfalcons866> smmagic: october 18
[01:21] <protocol1> yes
[01:21] <WaltzingAlong> arun: do not format the /home partition. then all of the settings and files remain there
[01:21] <smmagic> Why upgrade right now then?
[01:21] <protocol1> upgrade so you don't loose your stuff :)
[01:21] <smmagic> 3 days isn't long
[01:21] <[chr0n0s] > smmagic : the RC is out
[01:21] <andril> hello all
[01:21] <Abanta> loca|host: uhh. should be possible with just editing sources.list to your needs and then doing something like "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade"
[01:21] <andril> the RC i great =)
[01:21] <Abanta> meh
[01:21] <Abanta> yeah
[01:22] <[chr0n0s] > i am gonna fresh install, coz my present install is screwed up
[01:22] <loca|host> Abanta, sed -i 's/feisty/gutsy/g' sources.list;apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:22] <loca|host> that should do it
[01:22] <andril> just waiting for 3 more days
[01:22] <arun> WaltzingAlong: Yeah, I know the settings remain there. What I'm unclear about is, if the programs are going to be upgraded, what happens to all the old settings? Are they still applicable? Are they overwritten?
[01:22] <Pici> !rc
[01:22] <atlfalcons866> is a 433Mhz celeron fast enough to run ubuntu
[01:22] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon (7.10) Release Candidate information and release notes can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/710rc - ISOs and Torrents at http://releases.ubuntu.com/gutsy/ - If you regularly update, then you're running the latest version - The RC is development software and as such unstable, support *ONLY* in #ubuntu+1
[01:22] <loca|host> but erUSUL says its not safe
[01:22] <Abanta> loca|host: hehehe
[01:22] <Abanta> atlfalcons866: depends on what you try to do with it
[01:22] <[chr0n0s] > atlfalcons866 : i believe it is
[01:23] <atlfalcons866> just web broswing and music and email
[01:23] <Abanta> atlfalcons866: be sure to start with failsafe graphics mode and later use some minimalistic window manager
[01:23] <PriceChild> !Offtopic
[01:23] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[01:23] <WaltzingAlong> arun: most settings are stored per user so they all remain intact (they are stored at /home/user/.program)
[01:23] <PriceChild> [chr0n0s] , I hope you're not actively suggesting someone should use gutsy right now?
[01:23] <atlfalcons866> may be xubuntu will run better on it
[01:23] <Abanta> atlfalcons866: will do. it will not be a performant experience tho. but again, be sure to choose a MINIMALST window manager
[01:23] <[chr0n0s] > PriceChild : nope
[01:23] <Abanta> atlfalcons866: fluxbox for example
[01:23] <atlfalcons866> what about xfce
[01:23] <Abanta> atlfalcons866: you can just choose your window manager after install. no need to go xubuntu....
[01:23] <[chr0n0s] > PriceChild : i am waiting for 3 days
[01:23] <WaltzingAlong> arun: if you "install fresh" then you keep your home partition as is (do not format it) but format / partition, where you would install ubuntu (xubuntu, kubuntu,...)
[01:24] <atlfalcons866> it has 384mb ram
[01:24] <Abanta> atlfalcons866: it's dope. i love xfce. i believe there are some more lightweight wm's out tho...
[01:24] <Abanta> enuff
[01:24] <[chr0n0s] > WaltzingAlong : i think that is not possible
[01:24] <jkp_> can someone tell me why this might leak?
[01:24] <jkp_> http://rafb.net/p/PR06OW97.html
[01:24] <arun> WaltzingAlong: Say my settings for program x are in my /home directory. Once I install gutsy, it will be a new version of the same program. So what happens to the settings for the older version? I assume they won't apply to the new version? Do they get upgraded too?
[01:24] <Abanta> atlfalcons866: should do the job very good
[01:24] <atlfalcons866> ok
[01:24] <jkp_> deleaker on windows is telling me that the ifstream is leaking
[01:24] <andril> upgrade = not so well - fresh install = > than vista =)
[01:24] <jkp_> it makes not sense if iostreams use RIAA
[01:24] <atlfalcons866> what window manager does puppy linux use
[01:24] <Abanta> atlfalcons866: its not the fastest thing but it should work :)
[01:24] <jkp_> oops!
[01:24] <WaltzingAlong> arun: most should work
[01:24] <atlfalcons866> i know
[01:24] <jkp_> wrong channel
[01:24] <Abanta> atlfalcons866: not sure. fluxbox or so?
[01:24] <atlfalcons866> ok
[01:24] <WaltzingAlong> arun: even if you upgrade, same thing
[01:25] <arun> alright
[01:25] <Abanta> atlfalcons866: fluxbox is very pretty and fucking fast.
[01:25] <atlfalcons866> thanks
[01:25] <arun> thanks
[01:25] <WaltzingAlong> !ohmy | Abanta
[01:25] <ubotu> Abanta: Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[01:25] <arun> is the video player crash issue fixed with compiz in gutsy?
[01:25] <Abanta> arun: you can use mplayer with -vo x11 i think
[01:26] <Abanta> arun: that worked for me hehe
[01:26] <Abanta> damn. fucking xchat. gotta switch to irssi.
[01:26] <Abanta> brb
[01:26] <Abanta> :)=
[01:26] <Abanta> :)
[01:26] <PriceChild> !ohmy | Abanta
[01:26] <ubotu> Abanta: Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[01:27] <Abanta> meh :)
[01:27] <arun> Abanta: But XV doesnt work? x11 video looks like crap
[01:27] <Abanta> arun: why should it look like crap?
[01:27] <Abanta> arun: it looks dope. i just needed another option that let me resize the window
[01:27] <Abanta> heh
[01:27] <arun> Abanta: XV renders videos much better and uses less memory
[01:27] <Abanta> arun: ah. didnt know that.
[01:27] <Abanta> arun: maybe you find a way to use xv too
[01:27] <Abanta> hmm
[01:27] <PriceChild> Abanta, could we please refrain from the drug references and now you've got my attention, other questionable words. :)
[01:27] <arun> Abanta: are you using gutsy?
[01:28] <Abanta> arun: since a few hours. yeah.
[01:28] <Abanta> PriceChild: wha? :)
[01:28] <Abanta> PriceChild: drug references? :)
[01:29] <arun> Abanta: and does xv video work for you with compiz enabled?
[01:29] <Abanta> PriceChild: i was just talking about getting some coffee some lines ago. sorry. if i really talked about drugs again i'm really sorry. :)
[01:29] <Abanta> arun: it was either xv or x11 and it worked. yeah. gotta figure that out since i just reinstalled things here using gutsy.
[01:29] <AJ--> ei guys.. how can i update to gnone 2.20
[01:29] <PriceChild> !offtopic | Abanta
[01:29] <ubotu> Abanta: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[01:30] <Abanta> arun: will keep you updated as i configure it...
[01:30] <opexoc> Can you tell me why script for cron in /etc/init.d is linked in /etc/rc0.d, /etc/rc1.d nd /etc/rc2.d?
[01:30] <Abanta> PriceChild: ?
[01:30] <PriceChild> Abanta, please keep him updated in #ubuntu+1 :)
[01:30] <Abanta> PriceChild: meh :)
[01:30] <wyxmer> :)
[01:30] <Abanta> *loughs*
[01:30] <Abanta> haha
[01:30] <RunOnDos> does anyone noe how to check hidden files on home, the command that is
[01:31] <PriceChild> RunOnDos, ls -a ~
[01:31] <RunOnDos> ttytyty
[01:31] <RunOnDos> on home
[01:31] <PriceChild> RunOnDos, the ~ means home
[01:31] <csc`> ~ is hom
[01:31] <RunOnDos> TYTYTYT
[01:31] <csc`> home*
[01:31] <AJ--> guys.. how can i update my GNONE to 2.20
[01:31] <PriceChild> AJ--, why do you want to do that?
[01:31] <PriceChild> !highno | AJ--
[01:32] <AJ--> just want to try the latest styles
[01:32] <WaltzingAlong> AJ--: when you view the about /version, squint so you see whatever version as 2.20
[01:32] <ubotu> AJ--: A higher version number does not mean that it's better. Especially with packages such as the linux kernel. The packages in the Ubuntu repositories are stable and will work fine. You should have a better reason than "newer" when considering compiling from source or using 3rd party repos.
[01:33] <WaltzingAlong> there really should be some formalized system for taking the 'power' users into 'small time' devs
[01:33] <kondor101> wondering if anyone has tried 7.10 out with an MSI mobo that has built in gfx yet, I know they have trouble with the 3D in the past
[01:34] <WaltzingAlong> !gutsy | kondor101
[01:34] <ubotu> kondor101: Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 18th, 2007) | It is development software, and as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1 | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon for more information
[01:35] <kondor101> about as much use as chocolate fire guard lol, was only wondering
[01:35] <PriceChild> kondor101, go to #ubuntu+1 and wonder there as it suggests :)
[01:35] <arunkale> kondor101: i have one of those
[01:35] <arunkale> it has a built in nvidia geforce graphics card
[01:35] <kondor101> ah, now i see it.  :)
[01:35] <kondor101> ty guys
[01:36] <lunz> how do i disable my compiz-fusion?
[01:37] <PriceChild> lunz, system > preferences > desktop effects
[01:38] <atlfalcons866> will i still get updates if i compile a kernel
[01:38] <lunz> i dont have desktop effects :((
[01:38] <PriceChild> lunz, if it isn't there then go to #ubuntu+1 you gutsy user :)
[01:38] <PriceChild> atlfalcons866, why are you compiling a kernel?
[01:38] <atlfalcons866> speed boost
[01:38] <PriceChild> !highno | atlfalcons866
[01:38] <ubotu> atlfalcons866: A higher version number does not mean that it's better. Especially with packages such as the linux kernel. The packages in the Ubuntu repositories are stable and will work fine. You should have a better reason than "newer" when considering compiling from source or using 3rd party repos.
[01:38] <lunz> xserver is too slow now,i need close compiz
[01:38] <PriceChild> atlfalcons866, whatever you get will most probably be a placebo effect.
[01:38] <soundray> atlfalcons866: it's negligible
[01:38] <atlfalcons866> ok
[01:39] <PriceChild> atlfalcons866, you WILL do more damage than its worth.
[01:39] <lunz> i am using feisty fawn
[01:39] <atlfalcons866> ok
[01:39] <Pici> A negligible increase not worth the time.
[01:39] <atlfalcons866> thnks bye
[01:39] <PriceChild> lunz, metacity --replace
[01:39] <erUSUL> PriceChild: that factoid ( highno ) is priceless ;)
[01:40] <lunz> pricechild:thank you very2 much
[01:40] <WaltzingAlong> atlfalcons866: of course you may find the process rewarding in itself, not necessary as a normal user though
[01:40] <PriceChild> erUSUL, not quire priceless... as a price made it :P
[01:40] <lunz> gee i am back again...
[01:40] <soundray> Prizeworthy then
[01:40] <erUSUL> PriceChild: XD
[01:41] <sudhansh1>  PriceChild:to use chmod should i change d directory?
[01:41] <PriceChild> sudhansh1, no need
[01:41] <PriceChild> sudhansh1, you can chmod /path/to/wherever
[01:41] <RedWolf_> Hi... I've got a  very strange problem.  I was running a program in wine one day and the proggy crashed.  Since that time my menubar(top/side) has been absolutely enormous and my bottom task bar has stayed normal.  Here is a screenshot http://www.jonkratzer.com/problem.png
[01:42] <Abanta> so what's a good way of auto starting an app when i log in from gdm to kde?
[01:42] <Abanta> any auto start possibility in kde would be fine with me but i don't find one.
[01:42] <chasmarang> Can some help me - sound recorder doesn't record in feisty
[01:43] <Missy> It was Good
[01:44] <chasmarang> ChanServ: Can you help me - sound recorder doesn't record in feisty
[01:45] <g0dd3ss> haii, how to stop kde opening all the things I had open when I last shut down?
[01:45] <lloeki> Abanta, you will want to look for the Autostart folder under ~/.kde
[01:46] <arcil_> is there a similiar music player like amarok but without gnome or kde libs?
[01:46] <WaltzingAlong> g0dd3ss: referred to as a session
[01:46] <Abanta> lloeki: orly
[01:46] <Abanta> lloeki: ;)
[01:46] <nonickforme> how can i find out what version of ubuntu a box has running?
[01:46] <Abanta> lloeki: thank you :)
[01:47] <soundray> nonickforme: cat /etc/lsb-release
[01:47] <nonickforme> soundray, thanks.
[01:47] <WaltzingAlong> g0dd3ss: check kcontrol   then search for session or session manager
[01:47] <lloeki> arcil_, exaile
[01:47] <g0dd3ss> yer i found it thnx WaltzingAlong
[01:47] <RedWolf_> lol jeez I wish mine were that simple :(
[01:47] <Abanta> lloeki: can i just create a symlink there?
[01:48] <arcil_> lloeki: thank you
[01:48] <lloeki> Abanta, sure
[01:48] <cal_> hi
[01:48] <Abanta> lloeki: cool ty
[01:48] <lloeki> Abanta, or drop a .desktop file, or a +x file
[01:48] <cal_> how can i stop a session with terminal?
[01:48] <kbrooks> question.
[01:48] <soundray> RedWolf_: have you tried right-clicking and reconfiguring that panel?
[01:48] <soundray> cal_: what kind of session?
[01:48] <kbrooks> um, firefox takes 10 seconds to start with no settings.
[01:49] <kbrooks> and 5 seconds to start with settings
[01:49] <cal_> soundray: conky
[01:49] <kbrooks> what can i do about the latter case?
[01:49] <soundray> cal_: what's that?
[01:49] <RedWolf_> soundray, yes I have
[01:49] <kbrooks> also, is there a way to make xchat power efficient?
[01:50] <soundray> cal_: you want to kill your system monitor?
[01:51] <chris99> hello
[01:51] <g0dd3ss> killall conky?
[01:51] <cal_> it s a tool to display system informationns on the desktop
[01:51] <soundray> cal_: listen to g0dd3ss
[01:51] <cal_> i will test it
[01:51] <g0dd3ss> that what i do anyway
[01:51] <soundray> RedWolf_: is this gnome?
[01:51] <WaltzingAlong> cal_: htop ?
[01:52] <RedWolf_> soundray, yes it is.
[01:52] <chris99> know a person here, a good tutorial for building a server with ubuntu server edition? sorry for my english, it isnt really good :-))
[01:53] <cal_> whats htop??
[01:53] <RedWolf_> running dual head displays, and even though each monitor is a seperate X sessio they both have the same troubles lol
[01:53] <tarvid> any idea when on the 18th, the cd images will be available? Trying to plan a party and a very late in the day release would be problematic.
[01:54] <philomath> #alug
[01:54] <WaltzingAlong> !info htop p| cal_
[01:54] <ubotu> cal_: htop: interactive processes viewer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.3-1 (feisty), package size 43 kB, installed size 172 kB
[01:54] <soundray> RedWolf_: you could log into a failsafe session and remove all of your gnome panel files
[01:54] <tarvid> chris99, the server install cd offers a number of choices and for the most part server installation is point and cllick. The devil is in the details
[01:55] <cal_>  !info htop p| cal_
[01:55] <cal_> what will you say to me with this command?
[01:55] <lloeki> tarvid, why don't you get the RC|beta ISOs, then update?
[01:55] <Pici> cal_: look up at what ubotu said.
[01:56] <anss1> How do I sync and manage my Nokia N70 calendar etc on Ubuntu, over Bluetooth
[01:56] <RedWolf_> soundray, can yo ube mor specific?
[01:56] <tarvid> lloeki, I need cds to hand out. The RTcs won't cut it.
[01:56] <rpj8> Hey guys. Would changing my default file manager from nautilus to another cause my Desktop Environment to break?
[01:56] <cal_> ah okay i see it
[01:56] <lloeki> tarvid, you could always download them just in case the isos are late
[01:56] <cal_> thanks
[01:57] <lloeki> tarvid, and I guess the timing will depend of your timezone too
[01:57] <soundray> RedWolf_: if you don't mind configuring gnome from scratch, choose a failsafe session at gdm and do a 'rm .gnome* .gconf*'. Then log out and into the normal session again.
[01:57] <tarvid> lloeki, the wiki suggests that they will be available for evening parties, I think I'll just take a chance. Need time to install on two laptops and test the cds, the drive 1000 miles to catch a 7:00 PM meeting
[01:58] <RedWolf_> oh boy. that'll be a pain..
[01:58] <RedWolf_> *sighs* thanks
[01:59] <soundray> RedWolf_: if you feel you've invested too much in your config already, only 'rm -r .gconf/apps/panel .gnome2/panel2.d' and any other panel-related files you can find.
[01:59] <lloeki> tarvid, well then you could always try installing from the RCs if they're late, and download and hand over the final release later on
[01:59] <soundray> RedWolf_: hint: find ~ -iname \*panel\*
[01:59] <dgjones> tarvid, does the wiki say which timezone its talking about  though, if its US evening timezone, that'd be late pretty late for a european event
[01:59] <RedWolf_> and what exactly will that do when I remove them
[01:59] <soundray> RedWolf_: it'll use default settings next time you log in
[02:00] <tarvid> dgjones, good thought, they must be planning on European parties which should give me 5-7 hours advantage.
[02:01] <tarvid> RedWolf_, have you tried creating a new user? make two and copy over config files until one breaks
[02:02] <dgjones> tarvid, from memory, i think Feisty was available from late afternoon/early evening uk time (that info may help you), although the servers were slow due to the number of people connecting
[02:02] <daddy1987> hi
[02:02] <daddy1987> i intalled
[02:02] <daddy1987> g++
[02:02] <RedWolf_> no I havent tarvid
[02:02] <soundray> !enter | daddy1987
[02:02] <ubotu> daddy1987: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[02:03] <rpj8> Hey guys. Would changing my default file manager from nautilus to another cause my Desktop Environment to break?
[02:03] <daddy1987> i installed g++.but it says command not found
[02:03] <daddy1987> wat to do??
[02:03] <demon_spork> how do I gzip my Ubuntu install and then restore it to a different partition?
[02:03] <soundray> daddy1987: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[02:03] <rpj8> daddy1987: You most likely want build-essentials
[02:04] <stefg> rpj8: in gnome nautilus draws your desktop, manages desktop icons and automounting removable media .... so it would say, yes
[02:04] <rpj8> stefg: I thought as much. Thanks very much
[02:04] <anss1> How do I debug my USB problems?
[02:04] <daddy1987> ya it works thanx
[02:04] <tatters> how do I turn of wireless card so can install legacy driver  I get error  test@test-dektop:/proc$ sudo modprobe -r rt2x00pci     FATAL: Module rt2x00pci is in use
[02:04] <soundray> demon_spork: why gzip, rather than copying the contents directly?
[02:05] <stefg> anss1: by first looking at dmesg and the systemlog for suspicious kernel meaages
[02:05] <daddy1987> how to install gtk??
[02:05] <stefg> *messages
[02:05] <lloeki> demon_spork, you may want to boot from the livecd and use rsync -a
[02:05] <rpj8> stefg: So is there anyway that I'd be able to mix and match my windows decorator/manager with gnome?
[02:05] <arinomi> I doubt it, rpj8
[02:06] <soundray> daddy1987: install libgtk1.2-dev
[02:06] <daddy1987> how??
[02:06] <soundray> daddy1987: sudo apt-get install libgtk1.2-dev    (or libgtk2.0-dev)
[02:06] <stefg> rpj8: there is, but you need a good understanding of the components of your desktop and how they interact. What do you want to do?
[02:06] <daddy1987> i will try
[02:07] <rpj8> stefg: Just a curious intermediate Ubuntu user. I wouldn't mind eventually setting up fluxbox rather than metacity within the GDE
[02:07] <demon_spork> soundray, because I have operations I wish to perform that will format the whole hard drive
[02:07] <demon_spork> lloeki, please elaborate
[02:07] <rpj8> stefg: I know linux is highly customizable and I'd like to eventually be able to use it to its full potential
[02:08] <stefg> rpj8: rather look at openbox. it has provisisons to run as a metacity replacement, you'll get a gnome/openbox session choice in gdm
[02:08] <soundray> demon_spork: partimage is a good program to use for imaging partitions.
[02:08] <daddy1987> after unpacking gtk how to start it??????
[02:09] <WaltzingAlong> rpj8: then you will want to get away from the microcomputer
[02:09] <lloeki> demon_spork, rsync is a tool that syncs files to a destination. its -a flag preserves almost everything from symlinks to special files (like device files) and so on. you may use it from your live system, but you should not copy /proc, /dev and /sys as is. that's why I recommend booting from the livecd
[02:09] <rpj8> stefg: ah, good infomation. would I jsut have to install from synaptic for that?
[02:09] <soundray> demon_spork: if you do want to save just contents, try sbackup
[02:09] <stefg> rpj8: yup
[02:09] <rpj8> WaltzingAlong: I'm sorry?
[02:09] <soundray> daddy1987: you don't really know what gtk is, do you?
[02:09] <rpj8> stefg: Sweet deal. maybe I'll give that a go.
[02:10] <lunz> hi,how to edit my meta-release file?
[02:10] <demon_spork> soundray, I would like an exact duplicate of the file structure, I want the system to run when I reintroduce it to the harddrive
[02:10] <WaltzingAlong> rpj8: linux can do more than just run a desktop computer
[02:10] <daddy1987> actually i wanna install a software which requires GTK
[02:10] <daddy1987> datz y i want it
[02:10] <soundray> daddy1987: what software?
[02:10] <rpj8> WaltzingAlong: Oh ohm, this I know. I was mostly concerned with the eye-candy appeal as of now :)
[02:10] <rpj8> WaltzingAlong: After all, I'm only a college student.
[02:10] <WaltzingAlong> :D of course
[02:10] <daddy1987> Oxford dictionary
[02:11] <sjkwizar1> hi
[02:11] <WaltzingAlong> lo
[02:11] <sjkwizard> hi
[02:11] <rpj8> WaltzingAlong: but I do understand: linux is highly customizable and very powerful.
[02:11] <lloeki> demon_spork, so your duplication will be as simple as 'rsync -av /source /destination'
[02:11] <WaltzingAlong> maybe you have heard that but how can you understand it without having customized it or used its power?
[02:12] <demon_spork> lloeki, not if that destination is a DVD
[02:12] <soundray> demon_spork: I think you'll be best served by partimage
[02:12] <rpj8> WaltzingAlong: Good point. But how would I have had the opportunity =/.
[02:12] <tatters> sudo modprobe -r rt2x00pci FATAL: Module rt2x00pci is in use"        how do I remove module when in use?
[02:13] <lloeki> demon_spork, good point
[02:13] <stefg> rpj8: but you have as well to understand that certain componenents only make sense in a given framework. so if you rip out nautilus, metacity and gnome-panel (all of which are just componenents) what's left of gnome?
[02:13] <soundray> demon_spork: note, you will have to update /etc/fstab and install grub
[02:13] <WaltzingAlong> rpj8: so from here you start
[02:14] <lloeki> demon_spork, but lookout for dvd fs filesize limit (should be 2GiB)
[02:14] <demon_spork> thx for the help, I have to go now, I will be back tonight to try some of these methods
[02:14] <rpj8> stefg: I see. I'm not totally aware of just how complex gde is. I was mainly concerned with trying new things, and better becoming in control of my computer...
[02:14] <rpj8> stefg: Only concerned with breaking it, mostly =p. a fresh install would be horrendous
[02:14] <rpj8> WaltzingAlong: Heh, I'm working on that =p
[02:14] <soundray> daddy1987: there should be an INSTALL file that tells you how to install your software
[02:15] <lloeki> rpj8, then just create a user for testing, so as not to break your regular account
[02:15] <stefg> rpj8: so a good way to learn more would be to examine dependencies... what does what? BTW. backups aren't a bad idea before you start tinkering :-)
[02:16] <rpj8> lloeki: Oh good point. Would setting up a different user make it so that different user would have a totally different environment?
[02:16] <stefg> !backup | rpj8
[02:16] <soundray> rpj8: I think you need a separate installation, or even machine, for testing things if you're that worried. Also consider setting up a good backup strategy
[02:16] <ubotu> rpj8: There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[02:16] <lloeki> rpj8, that's the point :)
[02:16] <rpj8> phew, thanks everyone haha
[02:17] <Seiver`Damross> what was the command to get the IP again -_-
[02:17] <Pici> Seiver`Damross: ifconfig
[02:17] <lloeki> rpj8, all non system settings being stored per user in dotted dirs, as long as you don't mess with system files, you're safe :)
[02:17] <lloeki> rpj8, with this one user can easily run kde and the other one gnome
[02:18] <rpj8> lloeki: I see. so as long as I don't mess with /etc, /var... as long as I stick with messing with stuff in ~ I should be alright?
[02:18] <lloeki> yup
[02:18] <mollitz> hey, the ubuntu live cd crashed my raid 0, with win xp installation. someone knows something about this fault ?
[02:18] <rpj8> lloeki: Very helpful tip.Looks like I'll break open another user account
[02:18] <stefg> rpj8: get a virtualizer and do a install in vbox/vmware .... it's easy to go back / duplicate the install, so you can tinker, break things, have fun and never endager your actual install
[02:18] <mollitz> i ment fault
[02:19] <rpj8> stefg: I'll definitely look into that, too.
[02:19] <lloeki> rpj8, you can even set up some session handling via .xininitrc or /etc/X11/Sessions, so that one can select the DM started on login
[02:20] <rpj8> lloeki: .xininitrc?
[02:21] <mollitz> in hardware boot controller it showed me a new configuration, and the old raid 0. the new coonfiguration used 1 HDD ( ive got 2 ) and cause of the the old one (raid 0 ) showed errors
[02:21] <daddy1987> hi!nothing displayed on widget after i installed gtk
[02:21] <daddy1987> while installing software
[02:21] <mollitz> i deleted the new configuration and now the old raid 0 is "working"
[02:21] <mollitz> it shows functionally but my win xp doesnt boot
[02:21] <damianl> hi, how do i change which soundcard flash outputs through, i have 2 soundcards
[02:21] <mollitz> s.o. can help me?
[02:21] <lloeki> rpj8, .xinitrc is the file called on when you run startx from a VT, or it can be started by gdm/kdm/xdm
[02:22] <soundray> daddy1987: there should be an INSTALL file that tells you how to install your software
[02:22] <lloeki> it's a user file
[02:22] <rpj8> lloeki: I see. slocate shows that's in etc/X11/xinit right?
[02:22] <lloeki> and a shell script. this way you can just kill metacity and start fluxbox
[02:22] <lloeki> rpj8, that's the default one, when~/.xinitrc is not present
[02:23] <arunkale> anyone using virtualbox on gutsy?
[02:23] <rpj8> lloeki: If I were to touch .xinitrc and leave it blank, would that cause gdm to just go "wtf" and not load up my desktop manager?
[02:24] <lloeki> rpj8, totally. gdm would execute nothing but oblivin, and then return back to gdm
[02:24] <rpj8> lloeki: Alright. I won't touch that then until I read up some docs about it lol
[02:24] <damianl> hi, how do i change which soundcard flash outputs through, i have 2 soundcards
[02:24] <damianl> hi, how do i change which soundcard flash outputs through, i have 2 soundcards
[02:25] <daddy1987> Gtk-WARNING **: invalid cast from (NULL) pointer to `GtkEntry'
[02:25] <daddy1987> Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkentry.c: line 534 (gtk_entry_get_text): assertion `entry != NULL' failed.
[02:25] <daddy1987> Gtk-WARNING **: invalid cast from (NULL) pointer to `GtkEntry'
[02:25] <daddy1987> Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkentry.c: line 534 (gtk_entry_get_text): assertion `entry != NULL' failed
[02:25] <Pici> !paste | daddy1987
[02:25] <ubotu> daddy1987: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:26] <daddy1987> dese are d errors
[02:26] <daddy1987> wat to do
[02:26] <lloeki> rpj8, good attitude :) , you will mainly want to understand the 'exec' keyword inside this file.
[02:27] <lloeki> rpj8, now I'll wish you good luck in your tweaking ventures ;)
[02:27] <stefg> !backup | rpj8
[02:27] <ubotu> rpj8: There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[02:27] <anss1> ls list a "total n" in the beginning. What is that?
[02:27] <rpj8> lloeki: Thanks very much :) Your information will be very helpful
[02:28] <HaZiLLa> hmm, could someone help me please, ive just installed ubuntu but on boot it comes up with 'error loading operating system'
[02:28] <HaZiLLa> im a noob with linux im afraid :<
[02:28] <rpj8> stefg: Heh thanks stefg. I'm reading up on that now... By the way, I though in Edgy/Feisty there was a backup program that came installed with installation?
[02:28] <daddy1987> how to login as root in ubuntu?????????????
[02:28] <WaltzingAlong> !root | daddy1987
[02:28] <ubotu> daddy1987: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[02:28] <WaltzingAlong> !sudo | daddy1987
[02:28] <ubotu> daddy1987: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[02:29] <haribo> hello?!?!
[02:29] <HaZiLLa> ;
[02:29] <HaZiLLa> ;o
[02:29] <haribo> ist hier keiner?!?!
[02:29] <stefg> rpj8: not sure, never do Desktop/Default installs. But my preferred method is running partimage from a Live CD/ rescue system and just image the whole partition
[02:29] <daddy1987> den who is system admin??????????
[02:29] <Pici> !de | haribo
[02:29] <ubotu> haribo: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[02:29] <Pici> daddy1987: Please read those links first.
[02:30] <haribo> okay. i have understand
[02:30] <WaltzingAlong> haribo: tschuess
[02:30] <insane_alien> i got a problem updating. i get an error tellin me to run dpkg --configure -a as root (just says dpkg interupted) so i run that with sudo and it brings up a problem with the 2.6.23 kernel package i compiled(and completely removed soon after) a while ago. anyone know how i can remove it from dpkg's manifest?
[02:30] <stefg> insane_alien: 2.6.23 ? where's that from ?
[02:30] <mahaboob> what is error
[02:31] <rpj8> stefg: I see. The largest amount of continuous removeable media I have on hand is 2 gigs.
[02:31] <insane_alien> 2.6.23 the new kernel
[02:31] <daddy1987> wat is make file?????????/
[02:31] <damianl> hi, how do i change which soundcard flash outputs through, i have 2 soundcards
[02:31] <damianl> hi, how do i change which soundcard flash outputs through, i have 2 soundcards
[02:31] <stefg> insane_alien: that's not in ubuntu, so you probably broke your system by installing some unsupported third-party stuff
[02:32] <rpj8> daddy1987: http://monkeyblog.org/ubuntu/installing/ give this a read dude
[02:32] <insane_alien> yeah, but i removed the package completely using aptitude
[02:32] <insane_alien> it shouldn't have broke anything
[02:32] <stefg> but it did
[02:32] <insane_alien> yes
[02:32] <insane_alien> it appears it has
[02:33] <lloeki> damianl, you may want to take a look at the asoundrc file for advanced configuration of multiple soundcards
[02:33] <insane_alien> it looks as if dpkg still thinks it is there
[02:33] <stefg> backup and reinstall is the only clean way to straighten that, imho, insane_alien
[02:33] <daddy1987> sorry to say:ubuntu sucks
[02:33] <insane_alien> i could do that
[02:33] <insane_alien> or i could tinker till i fix it
[02:33] <stefg> !clone | insane_alien
[02:33] <ubotu> insane_alien: To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type  dpkg --get-selections > ~/my-packages , move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type  sudo dpkg --set-selections < my-packages && sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade  - See also !automate
[02:33] <rpj8> daddy1987: Eh.   None of your questions have contained any context and that is why you are not getting answers.
[02:34] <Pici> !patience | daddy1987
[02:34] <ubotu> daddy1987: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[02:34] <daddy1987> k i will look now
[02:35] <daddy1987> ubuntu shud be made easy like windows
[02:35] <HaZiLLa> ;/
[02:35] <daddy1987> all u shud work into dis
[02:35] <tk2k> ubuntu is easy, you just aren't used to it
[02:35] <HaZiLLa> well it wouldnt be linux then would it
[02:35] <LjL> daddy1987: "you"? why don't *you* help? the goal *is* to make it easy.
[02:36] <LjL> daddy1987: but if everybody says that "YOU should make it easy", and doesn't do anything, nothing will ever happen
[02:36] <WaltzingAlong> hardly anyone in here messes with linux
[02:36] <daddy1987> i have other things to do also
[02:36] <insane_alien> windows is extremely difficult to get used to
[02:36] <tk2k> so you think we don't?
[02:36] <LjL> daddy1987: so do we all, i guess
[02:37] <insane_alien> cept 98 that was the only one that worked flawlessly for me
[02:37] <rpj8> daddy1987: You can leave now :)
[02:37] <tk2k> almost 10 years ago =O
[02:37] <Pici> !offtopic
[02:37] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[02:37] <daddy1987> faq u rpj8
[02:37] <arun> is there any way to change the default styles for textboxes, submit buttons and the like?
[02:37] <ingo_> Linux is not that difficult to understand, is it?
[02:38] <ingo_> its more specialized in many ways, you have more possibilities to tweak/costumize stuff
[02:39] <LjL> ingo_, he's "left", and you're offtopic
[02:39] <ingo_> okay :)
[02:39] <IanLiu> Will Gutsy support more nVidia cards?
[02:39] <LjL> IanLiu: i don't think so
[02:39] <IanLiu> :(
[02:39] <its_me_gb> arun, in firefox?
[02:40] <LjL> IanLiu: what's your unsupported card?
[02:40] <IanLiu> I've got a 8600
[02:40] <IanLiu> GeForce 8600
[02:40] <its_me_gb> arun, try http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=369596&highlight=firefox+widgets
[02:40] <arun> its_me_gb: In any browser
[02:40] <lloeki> IanLiu, gutsy has the 100.14.19 nvidia drivers (the latest), so I guess yes, if you're using the stock feisty
[02:40] <arun> thanks
[02:41] <its_me_gb> arun, oh, sorry, i only remembered that firefox widgets thread. sorry
[02:41] <HaZiLLa> what filesystem should i format my file storage drive with
[02:41] <IanLiu> I am currently upgrading to Gutsy
[02:41] <nucco> HaZiLLa: vfat
[02:41] <HaZiLLa> ok
[02:41] <IanLiu> I couldn't manage to install in feisty..
[02:41] <nucco> HaZiLLa: if you want it accessible from *most* operating systems.
[02:42] <Omnius> how do I fing out my nVidia Device PCI ID?
[02:42] <erUSUL> Omnius: lspci
[02:42] <nucco> Omnius: lspci
[02:42] <lloeki> Omnius, lspvi -n
[02:42] <Omnius> cheers
[02:42] <erUSUL> Omnius: 01:00.0 VGA compatible etc
[02:42] <ingo_> HaZiLLa, normally ext3 would be a good choice, if it is for only-linux use
[02:43] <soundray> nucco: you should at least specify fat32. In any case, that question needed more information.
[02:43] <IanLiu> Does gutsy installs nvidia drivers automatically after upgrading from feisty?
[02:43] <Toast`> Hi
[02:43] <^punisher> sup?
[02:43] <HaZiLLa> well, i might want to grap files from windows
[02:43] <soundray> HaZiLLa: how are you going to use that filesystem?
[02:43] <Pici> : Please join #ubuntu+1 for Gutsy support/discussion.
[02:43] <LjL> IanLiu: have you tried nvidia-glx-new as a driver? that card is listed as supported on the nvidia site
[02:43] <dgjones> IanLiu, gutsy support is in #ubuntu+1, if you've got questions about that, you'd be better asking in there
[02:43] <M_WS> I've just downloaded and burned Ubuntu 7.04 on CDROM but It doesn't boot up with it, my boot sequence is ok. What did I do wrong here?
[02:43] <Toast`> I'll find out
[02:44] <^punisher> no
[02:44] <saxi1> ingo_: why only linux use?
[02:44] <lloeki> IanLiu, not if they were not installed I thinnk
[02:44] <ingo_> saxin, linux/unix
[02:44] <HaZiLLa> soundray: i want to use ubuntu for a media server
[02:44] <lloeki> IanLiu, but you should take a peek at system=>admin=>restricted driver manager
[02:44] <IanLiu> hmm
[02:44] <soundray> HaZiLLa: you should probably use ext3, especially if you expect to store large files (>2GB)
[02:44] <nucco> soundray: vfat == fat32
[02:44] <lloeki> it'll prompt you for them
[02:44] <soundray> nucco: wrong
[02:44] <IanLiu> really? I thought it wasnt at the list..
[02:44] <IanLiu> I will try it
[02:45] <nucco> soundray: explain please
[02:45] <soundray> nucco: no, you made the mistake, you go and do the research.
[02:45] <nucco> soundray: I'm not in school. thanks.
[02:45] <soundray> HaZiLLa: if you need to mount it in Windows, you can do that with ext2fsd
[02:45] <soundray> nucco: I don't care, as long as you don't spread misinformation
[02:46] <M_WS> I've just downloaded and burned Ubuntu 7.04 on CDROM but It doesn't boot up with it, my boot sequence is ok. What did I do wrong here (I do get it started in windows) ?
[02:46] <arun> its_me_gb: can you do it across browsers? That method seems to be only for firefox
[02:46] <nucco> soundray: all you had to do was say a word hinting the right thing. I was going to research anyway, to verify your claim.
[02:46] <soundray> M_WS: how far does it get?
[02:47] <soundray> nucco: okay, I was being a bit harsh. Peace?
[02:47] <M_WS> soundray, it doesn't recognise it as a bootable CD and goes straight to windows
[02:47] <nucco> soundray: no offence.
[02:47] <lloeki> M_WS, try to hit escape or some function keys at the POST so as to pop up a boot device selection
[02:47] <ingo_> M_WS, are you sure that you have burned it as a bootable cd?
[02:47] <tk2k> you didn't burn it right?
[02:47] <tbf> how do i fix translations? pidgin still says "Verbunden" instead of "Verbinden" in the reconnect dialog? it says that crap since feisty.
[02:47] <M_WS> ingo_ Ive just unpacked the iso and burned it on cd. is that correct?
[02:47] <ingo_> M_WS, dont unpack the iso-image, but burn the whole image!
[02:47] <xrls> hello..i get this message trying to untar the files---@xrls:/usr/src$ sudo tar --bzip2 -xvf linux-2.6.22.tar.bz2
[02:48] <lloeki> tbf, submit a bug report at the pidgin bugzilla
[02:48] <Keitherz> hello
[02:48] <saxi1> mwest: did you burn it as an image?
[02:48] <soundray> !burniso > M_WS, please read the private message from ubotu
[02:48] <Keitherz> can i ask something
[02:48] <arun> !ask
[02:48] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[02:48] <soundray> Keitherz: you already have
[02:48] <Keitherz> what is the standard minimum requirements
[02:48] <M_WS> ingo, I also tried burning the entier ISO on a CD (regular method under windows) do I have to do it another way to burn it "as image" ?
[02:48] <arun> is there any way to change the default styles for textboxes, submit buttons and the like?
[02:49] <soundray> M_WS: read the private message please
[02:49] <Keitherz> what is the lowest RAM requirments
[02:49] <stefg> !themes | arun
[02:49] <ubotu> arun: Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[02:49] <its_me_gb> arun, i think only firefox and firfox derivitives
[02:49] <erUSUL> tbf: rosetta https://launchpad.net/rosetta
[02:49] <M_WS> ah, thanks very much!
[02:49] <soundray> Keitherz: for ubuntu, you should have 192, better 256 MB of RAM
[02:49] <lloeki> Keitherz, 256 for Ubuntu I think
[02:49] <arun> its_me_gb: so it should work with flock as well?
[02:49] <TheGateKeeper> !bugs
[02:49] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[02:49] <Keitherz> how bout for gusty
[02:49] <lloeki> Keitherz, less for server and xubuntu
[02:50] <soundray> Keitherz: same
[02:50] <its_me_gb> arun, maybe? im not sure to be honest
[02:50] <stefg> Keitherz: dpends on waht you're going to use. a Desktop CD requires around 320 MB to run reasonavly
[02:50] <lloeki> Keitherz, but with 256 I suggest you to install with the alternate cd, else it's a paint
[02:51] <xrls> hello..i get this message trying to untar the files---@xrls:/usr/src$ sudo tar --bzip2 -xvf linux-2.6.22.tar.b.. i use gusty
[02:51] <ingo_> Keitherz, as you can choose the graphical user-interface (xfce/gnome/etc.), there should be a solution also for low ram pcs
[02:51] <stefg> But i would prefer xubuntu over ubuntu on a 256 MB box .. Gutsy's on the 'road to bloat', so without serious trimming the ubuntu experience in 256 MB will be poor
[02:51] <Keitherz> where
[02:51] <xrls> i cant untar the file
[02:52] <erUSUL> xrls: what's the error msg?
[02:52] <MPuppet> Gusty Gibbon just 3 days to go!
[02:52] <foxiness> how to do a refresh for ur desktop?
[02:52] <Keitherz> uhm how about virtual memory can they work
[02:52] <IanLiu> Here I am again. I am trying to follow the Ubuntu's HowTo install nVidia doing: System -> Adm.. -> Restricted Devices M(...). But Ubuntu replies my drivers doesn't need restricted drivers..
[02:52] <xrls> erusul...cant open file
[02:52] <tbf> lloeki: pidgin's .po file is correct. the error must be somewhere in ubuntu's language pack system
[02:52] <stefg> MPuppet: yup, that's really sad
[02:53] <erUSUL> xrls: tar xvjf file.tar.bz2 is enough ( j is for bzip)
[02:53] <lloeki> tbf, oh, then launchpad
[02:53] <xrls> thanks
[02:53] <lloeki> IanLiu, then apt-get install nvidia-glx-new
[02:53] <ingo_> Keitherz, you should create a swap partition
[02:53] <soundray> Keitherz: that requirement is for hardware RAM. You can't make up for it with virtual memory.
[02:53] <lloeki> also, you should go in #ubuntu+1 if it's gutsy related
[02:54] <IanLiu> Hmm, after that, its all done?
[02:54] <soundray> Keitherz: how much do you have?
[02:54] <Keitherz> 256
[02:54] <Keitherz> darn if my other 256 ram didn't got broken
[02:54] <lloeki> IanLiu, maybe take a peek at your xorg.conf for putting "nvidia" in place of "nv"
[02:54] <ingo_> he could use xfce, which does not eat that much memory
[02:55] <soundray> Keitherz: try gutsy xubuntu when it's released.
[02:55] <ingo_> as wm
[02:55] <stefg> Keitherz: i'd recoomend a xubuntu alternate install for that... and stick with 7.04. Gutsy isn't ready, has serious issues still
[02:55] <foobar24y> anyone here knows how to or knows of any document that descripes how to change font on the menu
[02:55] <soundray> Keitherz: check how much it costs to replace your broken RAM. It's come down in price quite a bit.
[02:55] <Keitherz> do xubuntu have the dev tools
[02:55] <soundray> Keitherz: yes
[02:55] <stefg> !xubuntu | Keitherz
[02:55] <ubotu> Keitherz: xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". | For support, see #xubuntu | See also: !ubuntu and !xubuntu-channels
[02:55] <Keitherz> uhm im on SDRAM
[02:56] <Keitherz> so its still the same price as 1gig DDR2 here
[02:56] <lloeki> Keitherz, *ubuntus all have the same repos, so you just have to install them
[02:56] <Keitherz> 256 SDRAM same price with 1gig DDR2
[02:56] <soundray> Keitherz: where are you located?
[02:56] <foobar24y> anyone here knows how to or knows of any document that descripes how to change font on the gnome panel??
[02:56] <LjL> Keitherz: just how broken is the RAM?
[02:56] <Keitherz> philippines
[02:57] <Keitherz> the ram
[02:57] <Keitherz> well it wont work
[02:57] <Keitherz> waha
[02:57] <Keitherz> i have 3 old rams
[02:57] <foobar24y> how can i change font on the gnome panel?
[02:57] <aterra> Hey, on my computer I have to identical USB harddrives(same usb dev prod id's), but on each reboot it is random which one of them apears as sdb and which one that apears as sdc, which makes it a real pain to create a consistent fstab file. Any ideas for a solution?
[02:57] <LjL> Keitherz: i was just asking because there used to be a kernel patch to let you use broken RAM, as long as only a few bits of it were broken
[02:57] <IanLiu> I should change Section "Device" (...) Driver "nv"   to   "nvidia" ?
[02:57] <nucco> foobar24y: use the font preferences
[02:57] <Keitherz> 256 sdram 256 sdram and 32 sdram
[02:58] <erUSUL> aterra: thats why uuid where created for ;)
[02:58] <stefg> !udevrules | aterra:
[02:58] <moquist> I've got a user with a projector hooked up to an external display on his laptop, and everything works great except that DVDs that get played are visible only on his laptop. Any suggestions?
[02:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about udevrules - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:58] <erUSUL> !uuid | aterra
[02:58] <ubotu> aterra: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  sudo blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[02:58] <erUSUL> aterra: were*
[02:58] <foobar24y> Keitherz: dont work, it changes everything, but not on the panel
[02:58] <aterra> erUSUL -> thanks
[02:59] <stefg> !udev rules | aterra, erUSUL 's suggestion will prolly work, here's another:
[02:59] <ubotu> aterra, erUSUL 's suggestion will prolly work, here's another:: Ever wanted to make your USB-stick /dev/usbstick? Go to http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html to learn more about this feature.
[02:59] <aterra> stefg -> thanks I'll take a look at it
[03:00] <linenoise> moquist: hit that crt/lcd button... it's 'function-f8' on my lappy
[03:00] <Keitherz> what is better KDE or GNOME
[03:01] <stefg> ohnoes !
[03:01] <moquist> linenoise: that doesn't send the DVD signal; just everything else.
[03:01] <erUSUL> !better | Keitherz
[03:01] <ubotu> Keitherz: Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[03:01] <dgjones> !best | Keitherz it depends what you want and which suits you
[03:01] <ubotu> Keitherz it depends what you want and which suits you: Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[03:01] <soundray> Keitherz: for your low-memory situation, Xfce will be better than KDE or gnome
[03:01] <moquist> linenoise: I haven't messed with it enough to get the image ONLY displaying on the external display; I suspect/hope that may work. But surely there's a way to display all the video internally AND externally...
[03:02] <Keitherz> hmmm
[03:02] <sk4ter> Someone knows the system xmail server?
[03:02] <sk4ter> How to stop sending email in the list of xmail?
[03:02] <Keitherz> wow cool compiz-fuzion can that work on xubuntu
[03:02] <mcp> I know a filename, and want to know the deb-package, that installed that file. How do i find out?
[03:03] <LjL> Keitherz: ahum... if we were talking about a low-end system...
[03:03] <LjL> mcp: dpkg -S filename
[03:03] <stefg> Keitherz: you're going to use your RAM for more pruductive things tahn eye-candy, aren't you ?
[03:03] <soundray> moquist: if you play the disk with mplayer, and try the various -vo options, you may find a way to play on the external display.
[03:03] <Keitherz> lolz... ill just continue deving
[03:03] <Keitherz> *sigh*
[03:04] <soundray> moquist: see a list of options with mplayer -vo help
[03:04] <liorlala> how do i configure File system of the hardisk and then how i make the mount to be automate
[03:04] <mcp> LjL, thank you, that worked
[03:04] <LjL> !mount > liorlala    (liorlala, see the private message from Ubotu)
[03:04] <lloeki> Keitherz, xfce has some simple and nice eyecandy with its bundled compositor anyway ;)
[03:04] <erUSUL> liorlala: use gparted to set up the hard disk (format and create partitions)
[03:04] <tk2k> you configure your file system during when you are reformatting
[03:05] <Keitherz> ok now dual booting.. how to dual boot (search search search) aha... imgoing to reformat
[03:05] <erUSUL> liorlala: then edit fstab (man fstab) to mount the partitions automatically
[03:05] <HaZiLLa> argh this is driving me crazy, installed ubuntu, i get 'error loading operating system' on boot
[03:05] <foobar24y> does anyone here know how to change font on the meny in ubuntu, doesent work with the reguar way...
[03:05] <lloeki> liorlala, man mkfs, and man fstab
[03:05] <sk4ter> a
[03:05] <IanLiu> I installed nvidia-glx-new and executed 'sudo nvidia-xconfig' and than 'sudo nvidia-glx-config enable', but it accuses my xorg.conf has 'nv' instead of 'nvidia', which is not correct. What should I do?
[03:06] <soundray> HaZiLLa: something went wrong with your grub install. To fix this use the instructions "RecoveringUbuntu..." in the ubotu factoid:
[03:06] <soundray> !grub | HaZiLLa
[03:06] <juuso> how can i get dbus plugin activate?
[03:06] <ubotu> HaZiLLa: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[03:06] <HaZiLLa> ok
[03:06] <moquist> soundray: thx for the suggestion, but that's not going to work for these users. The hardware option (as linenoise mentioned) needs to do the right thing, so I'm looking for a software configuration I can perform that will make that work correctly. I suppose it's possible an mplayer configuration change could do it, but I'm doubtful. :(
[03:06] <misha> anyone know anything about grub?
[03:07] <soundray> !anyone | misha
[03:07] <ubotu> misha: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[03:07] <dgjones> !grub > misha
[03:07] <tk2k> what do you want to find out about grub?
[03:08] <misha> I want to know why it cant "find the real path of /dev/hda"
[03:08] <soundray> !elaborate | misha
[03:08] <ubotu> misha: Please elaborate, your question or issue may not seem clear or detailed enough for people to help you. Please give more detailed information, errors, steps, and possibly configuration files (use the !pastebin to avoid flooding the channel)
[03:09] <SlimG> I've copied /var/lib/mysql/* from debian etch to ubuntu gutsy, I manage to start the new Ubuntu MySQL server, but I get an error related to "debian-sys-maint@localhost" : http://pastebin.com/d1de6e8fe
[03:09] <SlimG> Anyone got a clue on what/where to change this ^ ?
[03:10] <damianl> hey whats this one mean? why cant it...?   "checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[03:10] <damianl> "
[03:10] <Pici> damianl: install build-essential
[03:10] <damianl> i have
[03:10] <misha> I'm getting errors when I try to update grub (or as in my case when I try to dist-upgrade to a new kernel)
[03:10] <sk4ter> HELP-ME How to stop sending email in the list of xmail?
[03:10] <misha> grub-probe: error: Cannot get the real path of `/dev/hda'
[03:10] <soundray> SlimG: it's better to backup your databases with mysqldump
[03:10] <lloeki> SlimG, look /etc/mysql/debian.cnf
[03:10] <Keitherz> does anyone here uses xubunut
[03:10] <damianl> and i have no problems with most other compiles
[03:10] <lloeki> SlimG, there's a password in there
[03:10] <Keitherz> xubuntu
[03:11] <damianl> its the svn versiopn of amsn could it be an error in there config file?
[03:11] <soundray> misha: maybe you upgraded to a kernel that uses /dev/sda for your hard disk now.
[03:11] <SlimG> lloeki: thanks, sounds plausible, I'll have a look
[03:12] <damianl> benjamin?
[03:12] <soundray> Keitherz: not so many of us here, but check #xubuntu
[03:12] <ubuntu> ciao
[03:12] <SlimG> soundray: The old debian system is no longer bootable, and so I can't do a proper mysqldump
[03:12] <ConfusedVistaUse> what command do i use to change channels ?
[03:12] <moquist> SlimG: boot a LiveCD, mount the old /, chroot into it, and mysqldump from there.
[03:13] <lloeki> SlimG, if you can, get the password value in the file above from that debian system
[03:13] <ubuntu> qualche italiano puo aiutarmi?
[03:13] <jrib> ConfusedVistaUse: /join #channel_name
[03:13] <jrib> !it | ubuntu
[03:13] <ubotu> ubuntu: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[03:13] <ubuntu> sorry
[03:13] <lloeki> SlimG, but you may encounter permission issues at the file level in /Var/lib/mysql
[03:14] <hacker> slt a tous
[03:14] <misha> soundray: the issue is that grub can't access hda at all, and I need to be able to boot from there
[03:14] <Innomen> how would i dismount an external dvdrom when i right click on it and hit eject it spits out the cd but remains mounted lol
[03:14] <hacker> nouvo sous ubuntu, besoin d'aide
[03:14] <SlimG> lloeki: I've already solved the permission issue with chown mysql:mysql
[03:15] <tk2k> misha, how is grub unable to boot? you just set the root to (hd0,5) if you are booting grub from your hard disk
[03:15] <damianl> hey whats this one mean? why cant it...?   "checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[03:15] <damianl> hey whats this one mean? why cant it...?   "checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[03:15] <lloeki> hacker, va sur #ubuntu-fr
[03:15] <tk2k> and it'll point to the hard drive's 5th partition
[03:15] <jrib> damianl: what are you compiling?
[03:15] <SlimG> lloeki: the stuff within the old /etc/mysql/debian.cnf, should I merge it into my new Ubuntu /etc/mysql/my.cnf ?
[03:16] <soundray> misha: what does /boot/grub/device.map look like? Perhaps you need to change /dev/hda to /dev/sda in there.
[03:16] <damianl> jrib: svn version of amsn
[03:16] <jrib> !compiling > damianl (read the private message from ubotu)
[03:16] <jrib> damianl: you need the build-essential package
[03:16] <erUSUL> sk4ter: you should ask in a more specific support channel (either Xmail or mail servers in general)...
[03:16] <lloeki> SlimG, no, in the /etc/mysql/debian.cnf there's two identical passwords, put them in the same /etc/mysql/debian.cnf at the correct place in you ubuntu system
[03:17] <cyclonut> howdy folk
[03:17] <tech0007> i'm trying to write to a cdrw formatted w/ udftools (packet writing). i can only do it as root (sudo) but not as a regular user. i did sudo chown 777 /your/mount/point/.  any ideas?
[03:17] <cyclonut> does anyone know how to get the shell effect seen here: http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=44357&d=1190694890  ?
[03:18] <bhavi> Is this in anyway wrong with any loco team? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IndianPromoters
[03:18] <bhavi> Are my ideologies wrong? I am just trying to bring all the ubenteros into a team and encouraging more and more members to become ubenteros by this... I am trying to model my loco team on par with ubuntu and no support.. They are firing me... Ubuntu Sucks..
[03:18] <misha> soundray:
[03:18] <misha> (fd0)   /dev/fd0
[03:18] <misha> (hd0)   /dev/hda
[03:18] <misha> (hd1)   /dev/sda
[03:18] <whyuselinux> sup people i was installing ubuntu in text mode and i got to the grub point (went past partioning stage) and i decided to quit installation because i cant use photoshop and nero on it so i think i will try to install wubi but i am now thinking whats the point of even installing linux wubi.. can someone give me a reason why i shouldnt use windows?.. kinda lost faith in ubuntu coz i couldnt install it quickly and easily as i thought it would of..
[03:19] <bhavi> No encouragement Kicked me out of irc.. For telling this..
[03:19] <damianl> jrib: i have the build essential package, i know how to compile properly, could it be a problem with configure
[03:19] <Innomen> thats not right
[03:19] <misha> whyuselinux: eh you can use nero fine in linux
[03:19] <Innomen> people should be allowed to say what they please
[03:19] <bhavi> anyone listening?
[03:19] <whyuselinux> misha: someon on the ubuntu forum said i couldnt
[03:19] <jrib> cyclonut: one way would be devilspie...
[03:19] <whyuselinux> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3536522#post3536522
[03:19] <Innomen> bhavi: i am
[03:19] <misha> whyuselinux: they were wrong
[03:19] <cyclonut> jrib: Ill look into it. Thanks!
[03:20] <whyuselinux> they were wrong about phoo
[03:20] <whyuselinux> they were wrong about photoshop and dreamweaver aswel ?
[03:20] <nanonyme> naw, photoshop is only usable with wine or similar
[03:20] <jrib> damianl: what is the result of 'apt-cache policy binutils'?
[03:20] <nanonyme> i don't think dreamweaver works at all
[03:20] <pnano> I upgrade ubuntu from 6.06 to 7.04
[03:20] <pnano> after upgrade, I got error message:
[03:21] <pnano> here is : http://pastebin.com/d42e5e580
[03:21] <misha> whyuselinux: well you can use photoshop CS and dreamweaver 04 in wine afaik.
[03:21] <soundray> tech0007: have a look at /usr/share/doc/udftools/README.Debian.gz (point 6))
[03:21] <whyuselinux> nanonyme: whats the point of me installing linux wine tho ? just for the 3d interface ?
[03:21] <cyclonut> jrib: I guess I was hoping for some desktop integration more than just a window change :-\ devilspie looks really neat though, intalling it now :)
[03:21] <johannsens> Is it possible at all to use the ATI 690G with Compiz?
[03:21] <whyuselinux> misha: dreamweaver 04? not dreamweaver cs?
[03:21] <pnano> can someone here kindly point me out how can I fix it!
[03:21] <bhavi> tell me my ideologies were right?
[03:21] <johannsens> I cant get it to work
[03:21] <jrib> bhavi: #ubuntu-locoteams is more appropriate
[03:21] <Keitherz> if gusty is out of beta and release officially do you still need to upgrade it
[03:22] <nanonyme> whyuselinux, no, wine implements windows API so you can run windows programs on it
[03:22] <pnano> a problem is with apache2 , it can not restart
[03:22] <pnano> another is python 2.4 and Version 2.5 conflicts
[03:22] <pnano> see this error: http://pastebin.com/d42e5e580
[03:22] <tech0007> soundray....will try that thanks
[03:22] <jrib> Keitherz: what is "it"?
[03:22] <Kopfgeldjaeger> hi
[03:23] <nanonyme> whyuselinux, http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=183 http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?appId=17
[03:23] <SlimG> lloeki: Works like a charm, Thanks alot :) I really apprechiate it. This could have turned out so bad if I were to do it another way
[03:23] <whyuselinux> ok
[03:23] <whyuselinux> nanonyme
[03:23] <whyuselinux> so i can use dreamweaver cs3
[03:23] <Keitherz> my ubuntu if i have gusty gibbon beta installed do i have to upgrade when its released
[03:24] <erUSUL> !offtopic | bhavi
[03:24] <ubotu> bhavi: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[03:24] <nanonyme> whyuselinux, it hasn't really anything to do with 3d as itself
[03:24] <whyuselinux> what do you mean
[03:24] <misha> whyuselinux: I think you'd be better of using the linux equivalents of these programs. Are you SURE you need the latest adobe ones?
[03:24] <whyuselinux> well i have the latest adobe programs
[03:25] <whyuselinux> ive just formatted my comp
[03:25] <pnano> upgrade question!
[03:25] <whyuselinux> i have 80gb free c drive
[03:25] <jrib> Keitherz: yes, you get periodic upgrades... you should do a regular dist-upgrade like you have been doing up to now.  Then do the regular upgrades from update-manager when you get them
[03:25] <pnano> who know it: http://pastebin.com/d42e5e580
[03:25] <nanonyme> imo it might not be a good idea to switch to Linux if you have a lot of programs that require Windows
[03:25] <whyuselinux> i have just installed xp sp2 and i am a bit confused how i should go about all of this
[03:26] <whyuselinux> what are the advantages of using wine over windows?
[03:26] <whyuselinux> the 3d interface looks cool
[03:26] <MartinW> Wine is on Linux
[03:26] <jrib> whyuselinux: you do not have to reboot
[03:26] <nanonyme> whyuselinux, none whatsoever
[03:26] <whyuselinux> so i should just stay with windows?
[03:26] <nanonyme> whyuselinux, wine is for running windows programs on linux
[03:26] <whyuselinux> cool
[03:27] <whyuselinux> but why would i run them on linux
[03:27] <jerrygj> hello
[03:27] <rzimek78> how to restart ddclient ?
[03:27] <whyuselinux> the 3d interface looks cool but i dunno if its worth the hassel
[03:27] <nanonyme> whyuselinux, your call. you don't need to switch to Linux unless you see a good reason to do so
[03:27] <Jeruvy> you 'would' run them due to your higher than windows intelligence
[03:28] <nanonyme> whyuselinux, as i said, i personally wouldn't change if i had a lot of programs that need Windows
[03:28] <whyuselinux> ok
[03:28] <Keitherz> the alternate cd have ubuntu installer with tools or without linux with tools
[03:28] <hastesaver> Can I install Ubuntu on a FAT32 partition?
[03:28] <jrib> hastesaver: no
[03:28] <misha> hastesaver: sorta
[03:29] <quittt> I use WINE with all windows applications that I need
[03:29] <quittt> and they work perfectly
[03:29] <hastesaver> oh... is there a filesystem I can install Ubuntu on, that works with OS X?
[03:29] <nanonyme> misha, very *very* bad idea anyway
[03:29] <misha> hastesaver: check out wubi
[03:29] <hastesaver> I don't want Windows :-)
[03:29] <whyuselinux> quittt: why dont you just use windows?
[03:29] <nanonyme> even if you manage to install linux on fat32, it will probably get fragmented and i haven't seen defragmenting tools for linux
[03:29] <Innomen> Video codec 'Real Video 3.0' is not handled.
[03:29] <tech0007> soundray....i edited /etc/fstab so users can mount/umount udf, do i have to restart?
[03:30] <misha> hastesaver: I'm just saying that the method they use is the one that you would.
[03:30] <hastesaver> It's just that OS X's ext2/ext3 support is rather... shaky, and I don't konw if Linux has any HFS/HFS+ support
[03:30] <nanonyme> so you need to format often
[03:30] <quittt> whyuselinux, a bunch of other applications that I need and I use are ported to Linux
[03:30] <quittt> and the usability and stability are much higher than any Windows
[03:30] <whyuselinux> ok
[03:30] <whyuselinux> usability as in the 3d interface ?
[03:30] <whyuselinux> llol
[03:31] <pnano> 1180 members, nobody could give a help?
[03:31] <whyuselinux> the 3d interface looks cool i want to experience this
[03:31] <pnano> http://pastebin.com/d42e5e580
[03:31] <nanonyme> whyuselinux, the 3d interface is imo bunk. i don't have it installed
[03:31] <jrib> hastesaver: "osx mount ext3" in google has some results that seemed to work
[03:31] <whyuselinux> ya most people i know dont use the 3d interface
[03:31] <pnano> how can I get rid of the error:
[03:31] <whyuselinux> but i am a newbie
[03:31] <pnano> with apt-get
[03:31] <whyuselinux> and this is the only attractive thing to me i think
[03:32] <jrib> pnano: try to keep what you say on a single line, or else the channel becomes too busy
[03:32] <nanonyme> whyuselinux, it's about the same as if you'd get vista. no real benefit, slows your computer down
[03:32] <hastesaver> jrib: yes, OS X's ext3 support is read-only, and ext2 works, I think. (Not by default, but someone has written a driver)
[03:32] <pnano> jrib, ok
[03:32] <pnano> I re type
[03:32] <jrib> hastesaver: you can mount ext3 as ext2 though
[03:32] <anss1> Seems like ls list "total n" as the size of the directory. What unit is that? Disk blocks or kilobytes? How do I check the block size of a disk?
[03:32] <misha> whyuselinux: perhaps you should try running it for a while and see what you think. That's what the LiveCCD is for
[03:32] <twoshadetod> is there any way/program to gather a list of emails, and produce a "grouping" of them? my boss wants me to "find a way" that he can send 1 email to like 20 Home owner associations but he is remote, is there a way to generate a form that he can open and just put his email and body?
[03:32] <nanonyme> whyuselinux, requirements are lower but it's essentially just eye-candy on the price of speed
[03:32] <twoshadetod> and by gather i mean ill be typign them in manually :)
[03:32] <pnano> I upgrade ubuntu from 6.06 to 7.04, after upgrade, error message occur: http://pastebin.com/d42e5e580
[03:33] <whyuselinux> misha: liveCCD over Wine ?
[03:33] <hastesaver> jrib: ok... and ext2 is actually not that bad either, right? I mean... I could make an actual ext2 partition and install Ubuntu on it? I'd like to keep my data in a place I can write to from both places :)
[03:33] <O_Testador> #cpimag
[03:33] <whyuselinux> nanonyme: i saw the youtube video vista vs ubuntu and the eye candy is what attracted me
[03:33] <misha> whyuselinux: no no, it means that you can boot from the ubuntu install CD without actually installing it and use the system normally
[03:33] <cyclonut> twoshadetod: sure - look into php email solutions
[03:33] <nanonyme> whyuselinux, that's the worst possible reason to choose an OS to be honest
[03:34] <whyuselinux> i want to reap the benefits of linux but i dont know how to go about this
[03:34] <laomao> how to set up tv-out?
[03:34] <cyclonut> twoshadetod: then just create a table for mailing lists, have it send to all people in a group
[03:34] <jrib> hastesaver: you could, you don't get the journal.  There is nothing wrong with using ext3 and then mounting it as ext2 when you are in OSX
[03:34] <cyclonut> twoshadetod: would be happy to code it for you for a meager fee :)
[03:34] <pnano> I dont how to solve this verion conflicts: 1. is apache2 cannot restart 2. Python 2.4 and 2.5 installed side by side, conflict with each other, should I delete <pythondir>/site-packages???
[03:34] <anss1> How is it possible that no-one ever defragments there disks on Linux? If I fill my hadrd disk with a million files and then remove a random half of them, my disk just has to be fragmented, right?
[03:34] <whyuselinux> misha: can i use windows apps on LiveCCD?
[03:34] <pnano> I upgrade ubuntu from 6.06 to 7.04, after upgrade, error message occur: http://pastebin.com/d42e5e580
[03:34] <psyphen> whyuselinux: reap the benefits? what benefits?
[03:34] <nanonyme> anss1, ext2/ext3 are just better ;)
[03:34] <laomao> to
[03:35] <laomao> to:
[03:35] <anss1> As far as I know there are no supported defrag tools for Ubuntu?
[03:35] <whyuselinux> lol what benefits i dunno.. 3d interface ;x
[03:35] <nanonyme> anss1, you don't need to defragment
[03:35] <psyphen> o.O
[03:35] <tech0007> anybody knows what i need to do after i edited my /etc/fstab for it to take effect?
[03:35] <pnano> I upgrade ubuntu from 6.06 to 7.04, after upgrade, error message occur: http://pastebin.com/d42e5e580
[03:35] <pnano> I dont how to solve this verion conflicts: 1. is apache2 cannot restart 2. Python 2.4 and 2.5 installed side by side, conflict with each other, should I delete <pythondir>/site-packages???
[03:35] <nanonyme> anss1, the disks get checked for consistency like about every 30 mounts or 60 days or whatever
[03:35] <psyphen> whyuselinux: and that's it? that's the only reason you want to use linux? is because of the 3d interface? you're a strange one
[03:35] <nanonyme> automatically
[03:35] <hastesaver> jrib: Yes, but from what I've tried, I can use ext3 only if I mount it as ext2, and then it is mounted read-only. That's a limitation of the ext* driver written for OS X, I think.
[03:35] <anss1> nononyme, tell me how my disk can not be fragmented, if i fill it with small files and then remove half of them randomly!
[03:36] <nanonyme> anss1, i don't know ext2/3 well enough to answer, read the specs
[03:36] <pnano> omg, this channel is like a flood
[03:36] <hastesaver> jrib: thanks for your help...  Sooner or later I'm going to repartition my macbook hard drive and dual-boot OS X and Ubuntu :)
[03:36] <jrib> whyuselinux: I would recommend a dual boot so you can check out linux but fall back to windows if you need it
[03:36] <whyuselinux> psyphen: no i want to learn how to use it for MySQL databases ect..
[03:36] <MartinW> Why does an unofficial repository break upgrades?
[03:36] <hastesaver> anss1: ext2/ext3 filesystems are just designed better. FAT partitions get fragmented more easily
[03:36] <pnano> jrib, can you give me some suggestion?
[03:36] <pnano> I dont how to solve this verion conflicts: 1. is apache2 cannot restart 2. Python 2.4 and 2.5 installed side by side, conflict with each other, should I delete <pythondir>/site-packages???
[03:36] <anss1> No nanonyme, I am quite positive that ext2 or 3 will not defragment automatically.
[03:36] <psyphen> whyuselinux: i would recommend installing it on a virtual machine rather than dual-booting if you really want to try it
[03:36] <pnano> I upgrade ubuntu from 6.06 to 7.04, after upgrade, error message occur: http://pastebin.com/d42e5e580
[03:36] <nanonyme> anss1, unless you want to read dozens of pages of technical data, you just have to trust that unix filesystems are better than their windows equivalents
[03:36] <Kaja> What's the big deal about disk fragmentation anyway.. I don't even care about it anymore =/
[03:36] <jrib> hastesaver: I see
[03:37] <nanonyme> kaja, you don't have to with unix filesystems :)
[03:37] <alex_> Hey can somebody tell me the name of the ubuntu-installed IRC client?
[03:37] <Kaja> nanonyme, yeah, that's my point.
[03:37] <MartinW> Gaim
[03:37] <whyuselinux> psyphen: virtual machine... how do i do this ?
[03:37] <jrib> alex_: pidgin
[03:37] <pnano> alex_ gaim and xchat-2
[03:37] <psyphen> whyuselinux: i'll show you. care for a private message?
[03:37] <whyuselinux> yes please
[03:37] <pnano> jrib, can you
[03:37] <jrib> alex_: sorry, yeah gaim
[03:38] <jrib> pnano: be patient
[03:38] <twoshadetod> cyclonut, you think I can find a php mod (i have a webserver to host it on) that i can preconfigure with all the emails and he can visit and just put his info in there?
[03:38] <alex_> gaim! i didn't notice thats what i was using last time
[03:38] <MartinW> But I prefer chatzilla since it has a nicer interface. Its a small firefox plugin.
[03:38] <alex_> okay, so since you guys are being helpful...does anybody know what steps i'd have to take to install mandriva on another partition i have, and still be able to boot into ubuntu? because from what i understand, Mandriva's bootloader writes over Ubuntu's and you can't load back into ubuntu
[03:38] <cyclonut> twoshadetod: maybe
[03:38] <jrib> pnano: how did you upgrade?
[03:39] <cyclonut> twoshadetod: you could also set up a listserv on your server
[03:39] <pnano> error past  here: http://pastebin.com/d42e5e580
[03:39] <cyclonut> twoshadetod: so that when he sends an email to a certain listserv, it goes out to the whole group
[03:39] <twoshadetod> cyclonut, thing is It can't be linked to my server like thats my hobby and this is for work
[03:40] <psyphen> whyuselinux: are you perhaps an unregistered member of freenode? if so it would explain why you can't see my private message to you
[03:40] <cyclonut> twoshadetod: the "from" addresses are configurable, so it would look like it was coming from him, just the extended headers would tell a different story
[03:40] <pnano> jrib, I upgrade as ubuntu.com show
[03:40] <cyclonut> twoshadetod: reply-to wold work the same as current
[03:40] <Pici> pnano: From 6.06 to 6.10 to 7.04?
[03:40] <pnano> from 6.06 to 7.04
[03:40] <pnano> 6.10
[03:41] <pnano> 6.10 to 7.04
[03:41] <twoshadetod> cyclonut, thanks alot man, I was thinking I might have to go to his office (far) to manually copy and paste emails into a email for him lol
[03:42] <cyclonut> twoshadetod: np, again I am a coder for hire ;)
[03:42] <RickyH1980> Hello everyone I had a quick question, I was reading on ubuntu.com that this is a help channel.
[03:42] <whyuselinux> psyphen: i am unregistered
[03:42] <cyclonut> twoshadetod: g/l with the liststerv
[03:42] <whyuselinux> i dont know what freenode is
[03:42] <jrib> pnano: does 'sudo invoke-rc.d restart apache2' work?
[03:42] <whyuselinux> i saw your first private message
[03:42] <psyphen> whyuselinux: did you get the website?
[03:42] <RickyH1980> Does 7.10 have a gui interface to join Ubuntu to a Server 2003 Domain?
[03:42] <psyphen> whyuselinux: you're using irc.freenode.net (an irc network)
[03:42] <alex_> Anybody know if i have to take any extra steps before i install Mandriva 2008 so as to not screw up the bootloader in ubuntu 7.04 (for a dual boot)
[03:43] <twoshadetod> ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:43] <pnano> I dunno trying
[03:43] <jrib> RickyH1980: gutsy help in #ubuntu+1
[03:43] <pnano> jrib, I dunno trying
[03:43] <tech0007> anybody knows what i need to do after i edited my /etc/fstab for it to take effect?
[03:43] <RickyH1980> ah okay thanks
[03:43] <skarface> tech0007: sudo mount -a
[03:43] <jrib> tech0007: remount what you changed
[03:43] <whyuselinux> ya i am on irc.freenode.net
[03:43] <lunz> when i run compiz-fusion xserver is tooo slow...what is the problem?how to fix it?
[03:43] <whyuselinux> psyphen: ya i am on irc.freenode.net
[03:43] <alex_> lunz compiz-fusion lags on my computer...try using Beryl hehe
[03:43] <whyuselinux> psyphen: yes i saw your link
[03:44] <psyphen> whyuselinux: cool
[03:44] <whyuselinux> psyphen: dont you see my private messages?
[03:44] <Pici> !register | whyuselinux
[03:44] <ubotu> whyuselinux: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[03:44] <psyphen> whyuselinux: no
[03:44] <lunz> alex:that is not a solution..thanks anyway..
[03:44] <erUSUL> lunz: maybe you do not have 3d hw acceleration enabled?
[03:44] <mozilla-web> hi how can i see the sites i visited on my webbrowser
[03:44] <mozilla-web> sites that i visited 2-3 month ago
[03:44] <erUSUL> mozilla-web: Crlt + H
[03:45] <lunz> erUSUL:how to check my 3d acceleration enable or not?
[03:45] <psyphen> whyuselinux: but i'm going anyway. have fun with ubuntu. bye
[03:45] <SmegHead> grr i cant find a nick that aint been regged
[03:45] <whyuselinux> k c ya
[03:45] <Slasherx2> there
[03:45] <alex_> mozilla-web: hey if you're (un)lucky enough and you use igoogle or any google services that you sign into permanently, google might have saved ALL your history so you can sign in and check tha tout
[03:45] <mozilla-web> i see sites from yesterday and today how about findin what i surfed some months ago is that possible
[03:45] <Slasherx2> !brother
[03:45] <dgjones> whyuselinux, you need to be registered before people can see your private messages
[03:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about brother - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:45] <Slasherx2> !brother printer
[03:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about brother printer - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:45] <tech0007> SmegHead :-D
[03:45] <daws> when I lock my screen on gutsy and go home for the night and come back the next day, why is my system sooooo slow to get going again?
[03:45] <linux4me> i'm running ubuntu fiesty, how do I install ultramonkey? i've tried sudo apt-get install ultramonkey. ultramonkey has a debian package but it is for sarge
[03:45] <Slasherx2> hmm
[03:46] <jrib> Slasherx2: /msg ubotu printing
[03:46] <Slasherx2> thx
[03:46] <jrib> daws: gutsy help in #ubuntu+1
[03:46] <mozilla-web> yes i know google but i directlty type the url in the adress
[03:46] <daws> jrib, thanks
[03:46] <mozilla-web> anyone who knows if it works to find what i surfed some months ago
[03:46] <nanonyme> jrib, still for three days :)
[03:47] <erUSUL> daws: it is the "updatedb" sindrome... when updatedb runs at night it makes apps and many other things go to swap when you come in the morning those things need to be readed frpm swap (hd's are slow)
[03:47] <BixBox> t
[03:47] <tech0007> mozilla-web....if u cleared ur browsing history...its gone
[03:47] <alex_> mozilla-web: oh because i was accidentally using their browser history that stored every single site i visited for the past year (yea, i deleted all that)
[03:47] <mozilla-web> i never cleared browsin history
[03:48] <mozilla-web> how can i find browsin history
[03:48] <pnano> jrib, 'sudo invoke-rc.d restart apache2   nvoke-rc.d : unknown initscript
[03:48] <tk2k> control+h?
[03:48] <its_me_gb> has anyone had any success connecting to an apple airport express wireless router from ubuntu?
[03:48] <alex_> mozilla-web: if you're only seeing history from recent days then you might have your browser set to automatically delete files/history every few days...
[03:48] <erUSUL> mozilla-web: Crlt + H
[03:48] <jrib> pnano: switcd "restart" and "apache2"
[03:49] <pnano> jrib,fail
[03:49] <robert_> hooray- Can't locate object method "good_version" via package "Autom4te::C4che" at /usr/bin/autom4te line 984.
[03:49] <jrib> pnano: is that the full output?
[03:49] <mozilla-web> ctrl + h shows only 6 days older
[03:49] <pnano> jrib, action "restart" failed.
[03:49] <jrib> pnano: can you stop it?
[03:49] <alex_> mozilla-web: then you probably have it set to auto-delete your history after a week
[03:49] <pnano> jrib: its 2 lines output
[03:50] <pnano> * forcing.......
[03:50] <mozilla-web> well i never  setup anthing
[03:50] <jrib> pnano: join me in #ubuntu-classroom
[03:50] <pnano> ....ion "restart" failed.
[03:50] <alex_> mozilla-web: maybe somebody else did heh
[03:50] <tech0007> are there a linux versions of optical drive firmwares? i think mine is dying?
[03:50] <daws> erUSUL, oh, I see
[03:50] <pnano> ok
[03:50] <mozilla-web> nope maybe its automatically
[03:51] <daws> erUSUL, any way to counteract that?
[03:51] <tech0007> mozilla-web...if ur using firefox, default of 9 days history, aftr that it clears them out
[03:51] <alex_> mozilla-web: okay, do this: launch firefox, click on Edit[03:51] <erUSUL> daws: dunno...
[03:52] <robert_> can I force the reinstall of m4?
[03:52] <alex_> change the X number (as tech0007 said, it's normally 9 days) to whatever you want
[03:52] <Slasherx2> urgh, could anyone please help me setup this gimpy printer please? it's a Brother DCP-115C and its annoying me lol. I had it working in 7.04 with several hours of tweaking but when i upgraded to 7.10 beta it broke :/
[03:53] <alex_> Anybody know how to dual boot Mandriva 2008 with Ubuntu 7.04? Ubuntu installed first on a separate partition....
[03:53] <tech0007> Slasherx2...maybe people in #ubuntu+1 can help
[03:53] <erUSUL> robert_: sudo apt-get --reinstall
[03:53] <dgjones> Slasherx2, 7.10 support is in +ubuntu+1 for the next few days
[03:53] <Slasherx2> ahh
[03:53] <Slasherx2> thanks
[03:53] <alex_> and when's the final release of 7.10 due??
[03:53] <Pici> alex_: 18th.
[03:53] <tech0007> alex_  18
[03:54] <alex_> sweeeeet
[03:54] <erUSUL> alex_: add a grub entry for ubuntu to mandriva's menu.lst (or viceversa)
[03:54] <Slasherx2> 3 days
[03:54] <alex_> erUSUL: how would i do that? or should i just google it? heh
[03:54] <tk2k> guty will have everything feisty will have right?
[03:55] <tech0007> who tried Gutsy  then went back to Feisty?
[03:55] <robert_> aclocal hates me
[03:55] <robert_> Can't locate object method "good_version" via package "Autom4te::C4che" at /usr/bin/autom4te line 984.
[03:55] <daws> erUSUL, ok, thanks anyway
[03:55] <alex_> tech0007: i had gutsy installed for a couple hours, but it was beta and nothing was working properly haha, i was lazy to figure it out
[03:55] <tech0007> alex_  i would have done the same..
[03:56] <tech0007> :-D
[03:56] <alex_> tech0007: hahahaha ;) were not hardcore enough...yet....
[03:57] <lunz>  how to start Compiz Fusion with --loose-binding option?
[03:57] <alex_> i just stopped using windows only a month ago tops...still learning my way with linux...wondering if Mandriva's a good step for a dual boot (and remove windows entirely from my computer) hah
[03:58] <dirocca> slt
[03:59] <alex_> anybody in here know why both Kiba Dock and AWN (especially awn) lag the hell out of my computer when i run them?
[03:59] <amr> hello, i am wondering how to open isilo files on ubuntu
[03:59] <alex_> arm: try using a program like wine?
[03:59] <jhaig> amr: The Windows isilo tool works in Wine.
[04:00] <amr> is there no linux app that covers that
[04:00] <apecat> hey.. hwo do i set up a static ip in ubuntu, in a way that all network managers respect
[04:01] <alex_> amr: try visiting this post, i think it might solve your issue: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=270133
[04:01] <jhaig> amr: There is a console based tool for dealing with isilo files, but I never got round to working out how it works.  Very little documentation, I seem to remember.
[04:01] <Hatl> hi! i want to copy my ubuntu installation (usb hdd) to my notebook. is that possible?
[04:01] <MasterShrek> Hatl, use dd
[04:02] <dgjones> amr, there's something called "isilox" which i think must be the command jhaig mentioned
[04:02] <MasterShrek> dd if=<usb device> of=<notebook hdd>
[04:02] <jhaig> amr: http://www.isilox.com/download/index.htm <- iSiloX for Windows works well in Wine.  iSiloXC is the Linux (console) version.
[04:02] <liberum> Does anyone know how to make a truecrypt volume writible? The -u parameter doesn't do it for me...
[04:02] <amr> i just want a gnome app plz
[04:02] <Hatl> i copied the installation with "cp -a" to the other hdd (sda6) but if i want to start ubuntu it tries to mount the old partition (sda1)
[04:04] <Hatl> i have updated fstab and menu.lst with my new partitions but if i run update-grub it rewrites menu.lst to the old partition settings
[04:04] <meuserj> I'm having issues with network manager under gutsy... my nic works fine when using dhclient to bring it up, but network manager doesn't see it as being up, then any programs that rely on network manager to see the status of the connection don't work
[04:04] <jhaig> amr: I'm not sure there is one, I'm afraid.  Evolution will allow you to get the isilo files onto your PDA, but not for creating or reading them, I think.
[04:04] <tech0007> meuserj....#ubuntu+1
[04:05] <MasterShrek> Hatl, have another look through both files and make sure they are set correctly, remember grub will see hda1 as hd0,0
[04:05] <jhaig> amr: Maybe someone has worked iSiloXC into evolution, but I haven't heard of it.   But if you have grub, it should be able to handle pretty much any different OS
[04:08] <Hatl> sorry, no network connection on my notebook
[04:08] <Hatl> it only boots the ramdisk
[04:08] <mozilla-web> in which directory is xchat
[04:08] <Kudak> when i do 'fdisk -l' i get a * mark next to a certain partition, does it tell where grub is installed ?
[04:08] <tech0007> mozilla-web.... 'which xchat'
[04:08] <korps> genii: (i changed my nick just now)...yea but from what im understanding it overwrite's ubuntu's grub and then you can't boot back in (They haven't fixed it for Mandriva 2008 either haha)
[04:09] <MasterShrek> mozilla-web, its not just in one directory, but if u are looking for your user's config files, they are in /home/user/.xchat2
[04:09] <Hatl> where do i find the config file for update-grub?
[04:09] <korps> hmm maybe i'll just stick to ubuntu for the time being hah
[04:09] <Lr5> Anyone knows how to fix sound in firefox/java/flash?
[04:09] <jbfink> okay, sorry about the swearing folks.
[04:09] <mozilla-web> how can i find it from the terminal i can not find it
[04:09] <dgjones> anagra, sometime last year, i had 2 versions of ubuntu, Mandriva 2007, slackware & windows all installed on the same machine, grub was able to cope with all of them, it was just a case of whichever was the last installed used that grub and automatically picked up the other versions
[04:09] <jbfink> ha ha irc nobo
[04:09] <jbfink> er, noob.
[04:10] <Lr5> aoss-thing doesn't work anymore, after upgrading to 7.10
[04:10] <MasterShrek> mozilla-web, cd .xchat2
[04:10] <genii> korps: Yes i see something about it here http://forum.mandriva.com/viewtopic.php?t=66905
[04:10] <tech0007> mozilla-web...did u get anything when u typed in 'which xchat'
[04:10] <cappiz> is it possible to read ufs fs in ubuntu/linux?
[04:10] <mozilla-web>  which xchat
[04:10] <mozilla-web> /usr/bin/xchat
[04:10] <KennethP> mozilla-web: try the command locate xchat in a terminal window
[04:10] <MasterShrek> !ufs
[04:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ufs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:11] <genii> cappiz: Yes, you can read BSD filesystem from ubuntu
[04:11] <korps> dgjones: oooh okay. i guess i'll go for it, see if it works haha. if not i'm sure it's fixable anyways. ps. is my nickname still coming up as anagra for you?
[04:11] <tech0007> mozilla-web....type 'xchat' it should open up
[04:11] <cappiz> genii, something special i need, or can i just mount it? :)
[04:11] <Hatl> it mounts the correct partition but read-only
[04:11] <adante> howdy, is there an up-to-date guide for installing a root onto a software raid0?
[04:11] <Hatl> the entry in /etc/mtab shows the wrong partition
[04:12] <genii> cappiz: I don't recall needing a special package, but i'll check
[04:12] <erUSUL> cappiz: yes a driver exist for ufs filesystems dunno how well it works though
[04:12] <adante> i've seen some around in the wiki but they are either no raid0 or a bit out of date
[04:12] <dgjones> korps, not now, its changed, i had looked for alex_ first & followed the changes :)
[04:12] <erUSUL> !dmraid
[04:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dmraid - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:12] <cappiz> i only need to read from it :)
[04:12] <tech0007> !ufs
[04:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ufs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:12] <WaltzingAlong> !info dmraid
[04:12] <WaltzingAlong> !raid
[04:12] <ubotu> dmraid: Device-Mapper Software RAID support tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.0.rc13-2ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 180 kB, installed size 612 kB
[04:12] <korps> dgjones: haha awesome...thanks for the help eh
[04:12] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[04:12] <korps> alright i'm out of here. take it easy all
[04:12] <liberum> How can i decide which users who can access my proftpd?
[04:12] <dgjones> korps, no probs, good luck
[04:12] <WaltzingAlong> get 'er easy, take 'er twice
[04:13] <gorlak> hey, i have a question, i am in the middle of configuring a program that needs to use the php bin file, where in ubuntu is it located?
[04:14] <WaltzingAlong> /usr/bin/php ? /usr/bin/php5 or php4
[04:14] <WaltzingAlong> unless you want the cli interface to it
[04:14] <WaxyFresh> when ubuntu starts after i enter user/pass into GDM i get: Can't access ACPI events in /var/run/acpid.socket! Make sure the ACPI subsystem is working and the acpid daemon is running. will this effect how my computer is running?
[04:14] <gorlak> it needs to be cli, the program will be passing commands to it
[04:15] <WaltzingAlong> be sure to have installed it php4-cli for example, then should be in the same place
[04:15] <gorlak> it doesnt seem to have it there, what program would i need then to get the cli php,
[04:15] <gorlak> ah ok
[04:15] <gorlak> i wasnt sure what i would need to install in order for the php to be placed there.
[04:16] <gorlak> and the search for php in the repositories yielded so many that i couldnt figure out which one i needed :)
[04:17] <gorlak> thanks
[04:17] <WaltzingAlong> welcome
[04:18] <genii> cappiz: I can't seem to find some applicable package. since i had during install a ufs disk it may have installed the correct module then etc.  (sorry for lag, work called me away)
[04:18] <postgre> jrib:
[04:18] <postgre> jrib: which channel
[04:18] <postgre> #ubuntu -class
[04:18] <erUSUL> genii: find /lib/modules -name '*ufs*' -print
[04:19] <cappiz> genii; ok :) ill try
[04:19] <genii> erUSUL: Ah yes, or possibly modprobe -l |grep ufs
[04:19] <jrib> postgre: #ubuntu-classroom
[04:21] <mozilla-web> how can i see my mozilla cache history
[04:21] <jrib> mozilla-web: about:cache
[04:21] <MasterShrek> mozilla-web, probably somewhere in /home/user/.mozilla
[04:21] <genii> cappiz: I do remember having problems mounting BSB raid volumes created with vinum
[04:21] <genii> *BSD
[04:22] <WaxyFresh>  when ubuntu starts after i enter user/pass into GDM i get: Can't access ACPI events in /var/run/acpid.socket! Make sure the ACPI subsystem is working and the acpid daemon is running. will this effect how my computer is running?
[04:24] <WaltzingAlong> WaxyFresh: not necessarily
[04:24] <WaxyFresh> would running i386 ubuntu on a amd64 machine be slower then running x86 on a x86 machine?
[04:25] <Andeh> Hello
[04:25] <Klavier> how can i understand my eth0 device active or passive.. there is not anything about it s active
[04:25] <Klavier> i want to know if it s a cable problem
[04:25] <WaxyFresh> Klavier:  ifconfig or iwconfig should tell you
[04:26] <Andeh> Just got a nice 22 inch monitor, 1680x1050 Pixels, and my Nv 8600GT only supports 1600x1024 so the entire image is crap. Help? Also, the monitor stretches the thing accross the screen, and doesnt let you resize vertically.
[04:26] <Klavier> i tried ifconfig
[04:26] <Jeruvy> Klavier: active will show in ifconfig, passive will not.  Check var/log/messages during startup.
[04:26] <kon> where can the desktop 7.04 PXE installer image be found?
[04:27] <Klavier> okay it s working
[04:27] <Warbisshop> Is their a GUI tool to manage LDAP and its current users ?
[04:27] <Klavier> it asked me for update it wont be authenticated so i choosed to update option
[04:27] <Klavier> what s going on
[04:28] <Jeruvy> kon: did you try apt-get install pxe?
[04:28] <Klavier> it s updating 121 package
[04:29] <WaltzingAlong> Klavier: but the verifications failed?
[04:29] <genii> kon: a minute, i'll find you a nice tutorial
[04:31] <alex_> anybody know why kopete is taking so long to send messages?
[04:31] <genii> kon: http://wiki.koeln.ccc.de/index.php/Ubuntu_PXE_Install
[04:31] <John117> Hey there!  I'm using XGL on my laptop.  Desktop effects were working great.   I just installed Beryl Emerald and even though I"m getting no errors, it doesn't seem to be working.
[04:31] <kon> thanks genii, so this image contains both server and desktop?
[04:32] <skyn3t> hi
[04:32] <nanonyme> !beryl
[04:32] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:32] <Klavier> WaltzingAlong it shows 3 options not auhtentcated or to update
[04:32] <Klavier> or to install
[04:32] <Klavier> i checked update box
[04:32] <nanonyme> john117, read, join, get stuff solved :)
[04:32] <skyn3t> anyone here uses vodafone mobile connect card ?
[04:32] <John117> ubotu, I"ve been to #ubuntu-effects.  Nobody monitors that channel.
[04:32] <WaltzingAlong> tough cookies as it goes
[04:32] <genii> kon: The method they use in that tutorial uses netboot image to boot to, then you have an install CD loop-mounted which it continues from. the install CD could be any you like
[04:33] <John117> nanonyme I've don alot of reading, thats how i got this far. :)
[04:33] <nanonyme> !beryl | john117
[04:33] <ubotu> john117: beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:33] <nanonyme> read that, i meant
[04:33] <John117> !beryl
[04:33] <ari_stress> !openldap
[04:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about openldap - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:33] <WaltzingAlong> !info openldap
[04:33] <ubotu> Package openldap does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[04:33] <ari_stress> !ldap
[04:33] <ubotu> LDAP is the Lightweight Directory Access Protocol. For more information and installation instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenLDAPServer
[04:33] <John117> !beryl
[04:33] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:34] <skyn3t> !phyton
[04:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about phyton - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:34] <kon> ah i understand genii, thanks. i'll check it out and see if i can install directly from the net
[04:34] <John117> LOL...   I don't want a non-helpful bot response. :)   Nobody in #ubuntu-effects is even talking.
[04:34] <nanonyme> john117, did you also understand that? :)
[04:34] <nanonyme> john117, it's off-topic here
[04:34] <ari_stress> thanks WaltzingAlong
[04:34] <ari_stress> :D
[04:35] <John117> nanonyme okay :)  I guess i'll flood #ubuntu-effects until someone answers :)
[04:35] <WaltzingAlong> and for that matter John117 there may be lots of people in #chat but still perhaps not the place to ask
[04:36] <skyn3t> anyone here uses vodafone mobile connect card ?
[04:36] <WaltzingAlong> no nor did i when you asked 4 minutes ago
[04:37] <artagnon> where can I get the ubuntu gusty livecd?
[04:38] <alex_> artagnon: i don't think it's out til the 18th
[04:38] <WaltzingAlong> artagnon: releases.ubuntu.com
[04:39] <artagnon> what about gusty unstable livecd?
[04:39] <atlfalcons866> how do i enable extented attributes
[04:39] <artagnon> I'm looking at releases.ubuntu.com
[04:39] <tushyd> help! I checked "enable accessibility options" for my login screen and now I can't get the gnome login screen! It just hangs with the spinning cursor!
[04:39] <tech0007> artagnon....use Desktop CD
[04:39] <xrls> how do i translate this site??    http://whitepenguin.wordpress.com/2007/09/20/compilare-il-kernel-su-ubuntu-feisty-704/
[04:40] <heaven> hy guyz i got a question, do you have Unreal tournament 2004? and if you can tell me if it works on x64 ubuntu 7.04
[04:40] <Rullis> how can i join channel as "#rhmlLAN" ?
[04:41] <artagnon> okay, got http://releases.ubuntu.com/gutsy/ubuntu-7.10-rc-desktop-i386.iso
[04:41] <artagnon> it's probably what I want
[04:41] <artagnon> thanks all
[04:41] <Pici> heaven: Epic Games has an installer for UT2004 for linux.
[04:42] <heaven> pici: ok, ok i know that but i got an athlon 64 and also ubuntu is x64 architecture would it work then?
[04:43] <Pici> heaven: I dont know, you'd have to check the requirements on epic/UT's website.
[04:43] <alina> hi
[04:43] <heaven> ok thanx
[04:44] <Desos> does anyone know how to fix the mic problems with feisty and dells
[04:44] <xrls>  how do i translate this site??  or does it find in English version .. http://whitepenguin.wordpress.com/2007/09/20/compilare-il-kernel-su-ubuntu-feisty-704/
[04:46] <WaltzingAlong> xrls: translate.google.com
[04:46] <xrls> thanks
[04:46] <TushTux> help! In the "login screen" options, I checked "enable accessibility options" for the gnome login screen... but now it shows the spinning cursor and won't load the login screen!
[04:46] <dgjones> xrls, or maybe Babelfish
[04:46] <xrls> cool thanks
[04:47] <TushTux> anyone?
[04:47] <WaxyFresh> why would installing x86 ubuntu on a amd64 macine be a bad idea?
[04:48] <erUSUL> !kernel | xrls
[04:48] <ubotu> xrls: kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild.  Also, see !stages
[04:48] <WaltzingAlong> WaxyFresh: who was claiming it was?
[04:48] <xrls> okay,thanks again
[04:48] <erUSUL> WaxyFresh: it is not a bad idea... it is in some ways a good idea (less problems with flash w32codecs etc)
[04:49] <rryan> hi, so in my syslog I see "SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus 123 SControl 300)" , yet the drives on the bus are brought up in UDMA133 mode, when I know they are SATA 3gbps drives and their jumpers are set appropriately.   What can I do to set them in 300MBps mode? (i'm using sata_nv drivers on an nForce motherboard)
[04:49] <WaxyFresh> WaltzingAlong: noone i was only wondering
[04:49] <ibob63> #apache
[04:49] <WaxyFresh> WaltzingAlong: but would x86 run slower then normal on a amd64?
[04:50] <WaltzingAlong> WaxyFresh: if so not any you would notice
[04:50] <TushTux> help! In the "login screen" options, I checked "enable accessibility options" for the gnome login screen... but now it shows the spinning cursor and won't load the login screen... can I change gnome login options via CL?
[04:52] <dylix> when i boot up ubuntu i get a black screen until xorg starts, ive tried changing the bootline to say vga=xxx but still no worky :(
[04:52] <kolby> so, does anyone know where to find a good book on Ubuntu?
[04:53] <Sephiroth> I have Ubuntu 7.04 installed, and recently reinstalled Windows XP, which means I lost grub. The CD I have, however, is for 6.04. Would I be able to use that CD to recover grub?
[04:53] <tk2k> yeah
[04:53] <tk2k> should be
[04:54] <rryan> dylix : have you tried adding 'nosplash' to the boot line and removing quiet ? are you able to see text on boot up, or nothing at all?
[04:54] <dylix> nothign at all
[04:54] <dylix> i will try that tho
[04:54] <ups> to kolby: you don't learn ubuntu from "books"
[04:54] <kolby> Sephiroth:  are you going to a dual-boot system?
[04:54] <erUSUL> Sephiroth: if you use the chroot method everything should be safe...
[04:54] <Pici> kolby: There is the 'Official Ubuntu Book' that I've seen in many major book stores.
[04:54] <ups> dylix: may be your splash package is wrogn
[04:54] <Sephiroth> It was a dual-boot system.
[04:54] <erUSUL> !grub | Sephiroth
[04:54] <ubotu> Sephiroth: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:55] <kon> what's the "linux-generic" kernel like?
[04:55] <kolby> ups: well, lol.  My first introduction to Ubuntu was from a book in the library
[04:55] <dylix> i think it has something to do w/ 64bit install, the 32bit one worked ok
[04:55] <whileimhere> Hi. I was wondering are there any add ons to openoffice so that I can do network diagrams/
[04:55] <WaltzingAlong> kon: soft and slightly furry
[04:55] <bobbob1016> What partitions should I backup before going to gutsy?  I want to try to as much of a fresh install as possible.  I have /home and / on separate partitions.  I read I need "/etc" too, would I just copy it to a separate drive, then back over?
[04:55] <Pici> !generic | kon
[04:55] <ubotu> kon: Background to the decision to replace -686, k7 and -smp kernels with -generic can be found here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019983.html (the -386 kernel is still available if needed)
[04:55] <kolby> ups: that's how I got the CD and booted it up on my PC
[04:55] <ups> kolby: use it everyday and you will learn it fast
[04:55] <kon> thanks Pici
[04:56] <Pici> Yepyep
[04:56] <ups> suggestion: before upgrade to gusty, backup your entire linux system :)
[04:56] <rryan> whileimhere : i'm not sure about open office, but if you install 'Dia', a diagram tool, it has plenty of different packages for tons of things from circuits, to UML, to Network diagrams
[04:57] <Vlet> Is there a way to change the ctrl-shift-arrow selection behavior?
[04:57] <whileimhere> ooh ok
[04:57] <bobbob1016> ups: I know I should do the whole thing, I just wanted to get as little as possible, so I can have as much of a clean install as possible
[04:57] <FAMILIAR_GIRL> hi all
[04:57] <kolby> ups: actually, I know my way around it pretty well.  I've been using it as my sole OS for a year.  I think what I'm looking for is that Ubuntu-hacks guide.
[04:57] <danhs> I'm having a problem using setgid
[04:57] <danhs> not sure why it's not working properly
[04:57] <erUSUL> !hi | FAMILIAR_GIRL
[04:57] <ubotu> FAMILIAR_GIRL: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu!
[04:58] <danhs> but i do chmod g+s <directory name> and then I create a new directory in <directory name> but it just uses my primary group....not the parent group
[04:58] <danhs> what am I doing wrong?
[04:58] <ups> I always keep a bzipped tarball of my system, just incase
[04:58] <fevel> excuse me guys are ati graphic cards somewhat obsolete in Linux
[04:59] <fevel> I get very bad fps on 3d
[04:59] <tech0007> ubuntu desktop edn boots at which runlevel?
[04:59] <fevel> am I getting something wrong?
[04:59] <Sephiroth> Okay, will try that. Thanks.
[04:59] <kolby> fevel: What driver do you have installed for it?
[04:59] <tech0007> fevel....its jst that nvidia is more supported than ati
[05:00] <kahrytan> fevel, ATI sucks on Linux.
[05:00] <ups> right, I have ati cards too, I am not happy
[05:00] <dylix> ok, when i remove the splash quiet, i see the bootup text..
[05:00] <kolby> isn't ATI making drivers for Linux now?
[05:00] <dylix> so something is wrong w/ my splash package?
[05:00] <tech0007> ubuntu desktop edn boots at which runlevel? anyone?
[05:00] <danhs> Oh...it looks like I had to make that change using sudo....
[05:00] <ups> ATI supports some cards
[05:00] <danhs> alright....
[05:00] <fevel> kolby, How can I check? I installed it through envy, I know about the issues and will uninstall it in 5 days
[05:00] <danhs> well that's okay I guess
[05:01] <noxygen> can i ask a non ubuntu specific quetion in here ?
[05:01] <noxygen> it is *nix specific
[05:01] <trackballuser> can anyone tell me how to disable the gnome login screen in command line?
[05:01] <Vlet> kolby: yeah, but as far as I've heard, it will only support very new cards, and ain't out yet
[05:01] <kolby> fevel:  I'm not certain.  I have nVidia-glx as my driver
[05:01] <tech0007> noxygen.....shoot
[05:01] <kahrytan> trackballuser, called gdm login
[05:02] <erUSUL> trackballuser: do you want to boot into console?
[05:02] <kolby> noxygen: go for it
[05:02] <trackballuser> my login screen hangs
[05:02] <sev95> algun espaol para que me explique unas cosas?? privado please!!
[05:02] <erUSUL> trackballuser: only once or allways?
[05:02] <fevel> kahrytan, unable to play good games like nexuiz correct?
[05:02] <erUSUL> !es | sev95
[05:02] <ubotu> sev95: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:02] <Pici> !es | stefg
[05:02] <ubotu> stefg: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:02] <Pici> oops.
[05:02] <trackballuser> always, I checked "enable accessibility options" once and from then on it hangs consistently
[05:02] <sev95> muchisimas gracias
[05:02] <stefg> Ay!
[05:02] <Vlet> trackballuser: you just want a terminal? You need to remove the symlinks to gdm from your /etc/rc5.d/ dir
[05:03] <kahrytan> fevel, I use FX 5200 on my compu. It gets me 70fps-90fps
[05:03] <IdleOne> stefg: english please :P
[05:03] <daedric> Gentleman... i need your help. In the past i've heard a song... and my girlfriend used a small part of it in a school project. Now i need it again, but i don't know who's the author... or the album.
[05:03] <Pici> daedric: #ubuntu-offtopic please.
[05:03] <daedric> If i provide you with the music start... can you try and identify it ?
[05:03] <daedric> Pici Will do :D
[05:03] <stefg> !offtopic | daedric
[05:03] <ubotu> daedric: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[05:03] <fevel> kahrytan, I understand, I get good fps on my nvidia card too, although the restricted drivers for that board wouldnt let me start x
[05:03] <trackballuser> ok, thanks Vlet
[05:03] <Vlet> daedric: why are you asking that here?
[05:03] <kolby> daedric:  what kind of song is it?
[05:03] <kahrytan> fevel, worked good for me on feisty
[05:03] <daedric> in the offtopic
[05:04] <Toma-> daedric offtopic!
[05:04] <tech0007> Vlet....is it runlevel 5 when i boot regularly to gdm login?
[05:04] <Pici> Toma-: Vlet , he knows. arg.
[05:04] <Vlet> trackballuser: also from the /etc/rc4.d/ and any other /etc/rcX.d/ dir's
[05:04] <Toma-> sorry Pici, lagging like crazy
[05:04] <fevel> strange, since I also installed it on feisty, couldnt have done something wrong since I just checked the check box =) maybe a problem with the card
[05:04] <Pici> Toma-: Okay, :)
[05:04] <Vlet> tech0007: yeah... I'm no 'expert', but as far as I remember, it's 5
[05:06] <tech0007> Vlet..that's fine..ubuntu skipped /etc/inittab so i dont know
[05:07] <kolby> I think Ubuntu's wireless sucked in Feisty.  I hope they support Broadcomm cards on acer laptops better in Gibbon.  Honestly, I installed Ubuntu for two of my friends on their laptops and spent hours making their wireless work.
[05:07] <trackballuser> Vlet, can you walk me through it, my IRC client crashed so I forgot what you said
[05:07] <fevel> kolby, I had issues too, although ndiswrapper did the trick
[05:07] <WaltzingAlong> kolby: try the ways that work, cuts time making it work dramatically
[05:08] <|Lord_Zoo|> ndiswrapper works fine now
[05:08] <Vlet> trackballuser: No, but I can tell you again... there are directories /etc/rc0.d/ through /etc/rc6.d/ ... if you remove the symlinks to gdm from those directories, the login manager (gdm) will not be started
[05:09] <nomad111> hey all
[05:09] <nomad111> i am currently using gutsy rc1
[05:09] <Pici> nomad111: Please join #ubuntu+1 for Gutsy support/discussion.
[05:09] <jordan_U> !boot | trackballuser
[05:09] <ubotu> trackballuser: Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[05:09] <trackballuser> Vlet: Ok, so I don't have to edit any files, I just have to remove them? (sorry, I'm a newbie)
[05:09] <nomad111> k'
[05:09] <kolby> fevel: yeah, ndiswrapper was the what I ended up using.  But I had to edit /etc/network/interfaces to make it connect to the router.
[05:10] <Vlet> trackballuser: then maybe you shouldn't be messing with this kinda stuff :)
[05:10] <IpMooBeta> i need some help in installing studio
[05:10] <Cpudan80> Hello all
[05:10] <kolby> fevel: the network manager application just couldn't do it...
[05:10] <trackballuser> Vlet: well, I think messing things up is a good way to learn :)
[05:10] <WaltzingAlong> studio?
[05:10] <Cpudan80> I would just like to say thanks
[05:10] <kolby> Cpudan80: ello
[05:10] <Cpudan80> I moved to Ubuntu from SUSE yesterday
[05:11] <Cpudan80> Ubuntu is 10000x better
[05:11] <IpMooBeta> yup
[05:11] <kolby> Cpudan80: lol.  Really?  why's that?
[05:11] <Cpudan80> Everything just works
[05:11] <nanonyme> not for me :)
[05:11] <Vlet> trackballuser: runlevels are different stages the system goes through during startup... 0 through 5 (6 = shutting down). Whent he system moves to the next stage, it runs the programs in those directories
[05:11] <Desos> microphones dont
[05:11] <Cpudan80> I don't care about microphones
[05:11] <nanonyme> but that's mostly linux's fault, not ubuntu's
[05:11] <Zombine> I get an error when trying to compile the source for this app I downloaded: "Class Timeouthandler has virtual functions but non-virtual destructor"
[05:11] <Cpudan80> My keyboard from MS works
[05:11] <HaZiLLa> how can i format my drives from booting with livecd
[05:11] <Cpudan80> that was a big surprise
[05:11] <Zombine> Anyone know what this means or how to fix it?
[05:12] <kolby> Cpudan80: interesting.   Yeah, I thought about trying openSuse... but I'm really comfortable with Ubuntu.
[05:12] <jordan_U> HaZiLLa, gparted
[05:12] <Cpudan80> Like the fancy keys at the top
[05:12] <Vlet> trackballuser: so, in /etc/rc4.d/ and rc5.d are links to programs to run. You want to remove (for example) 'S13gdm' from /etc/rc5.d/
[05:12] <IpMooBeta> suse 10 was ok for a bitt
[05:12] <Cpudan80> kolby: It's a good distro - but for whatever reason, it wouldn't put grub on the primary master HDD (SATA)
[05:12] <kolby> Cpudan80:  I'll be getting a fancy wireless keyboard soon.  lol
[05:12] <jordan_U> Zombine, What are you trying to compile?
[05:12] <Zombine> jordan_U A slit app for Fluxbox.
[05:13] <kolby> Cpudan80:  nicely put.  I still might give it a go-round then.
[05:13] <ups> hazilla: bootup with your livecd, mount you disk then format it
[05:13] <Cpudan80> kolby: No matter how hard I tried - it wouldn't put grub on sda1
[05:13] <WaltzingAlong> !info gmailfs
[05:13] <ubotu> gmailfs: Use your GMail account as a filesystem. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.7.2-2 (feisty), package size 24 kB, installed size 156 kB
[05:13] <HaZiLLa> k
[05:13] <Zombine> jordan_U ./configure says it's missing a file called process.h as well.  I figure this is in some library I don't have, but the readme didn't mention any dependencies
[05:13] <trackballuser> Vlet: ok, so I am in /etc/rc0.d adn I see "k01gdm" in there, should I remove that?
[05:13] <kolby> Cpudan80:  you know, I just wish I could find an extremely barebones version of Ubuntu.  Something like Damn Small.
[05:14] <WaltzingAlong> !info ubuntu-minimal | kolby
[05:14] <ubotu> kolby: ubuntu-minimal: Minimal core of Ubuntu. In component main, is important. Version 1.43 (feisty), package size 16 kB, installed size 44 kB
[05:14] <Cpudan80> kolby: Ubuntu server doesn't work for you?
[05:14] <Vlet> trackballuser: I believe so, but you should keep track of what you do incase you need to restore it
[05:14] <Vlet> trackballuser: mind you, my advise comes with no warranty ;)
[05:14] <kolby> Cpudan80: lol.  I'm a gui lover.  I probably should've went for the fluxbox instead of gnome when I went that way.
[05:15] <Cpudan80> ahhh yeah
[05:15] <Cpudan80> Gnome is nice
[05:15] <Cpudan80> that was another problem -- most of those suse guys used KDE
[05:15] <trackballuser> Vlet: Ok, thanks
[05:15] <kolby> ubuntu-minimal...  wow.  that's tiny.
[05:15] <Cpudan80> I cant stand kde...
[05:15] <amadeux> If I dist-upgrade from feisty to gutsy when it is released, will I have problems because I installed some backported compiz fusion packages on my feisty, or problems with any other software that I might have installed myself, that gutsy tries to install/upgrade?
[05:16] <Zombine> jordan_U: I figured it would be a long shot to expect someone to know about one specific header file, or one specific program, but I just thought I should ask.
[05:16] <WaltzingAlong> amadeux: use the update tool
[05:16] <jordan_U> Zombine, process.h sounds generic but try apt-file
[05:16] <fulio> Hello,world. When ever i try to do a update it says "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[05:16] <fulio> E: _cache->open() failed, please report."
[05:16] <amadeux> WaltzingAlong: what update tool?
[05:16] <kolby> is there an ubuntu-minimal distro around?
[05:17] <Zombine> jordan_U: do I just do "apt-file process.h?"
[05:17] <jordan_U> fulio, Have you tried running "sudo dpkg --configure -a" ?
[05:17] <jordan_U> Zombine, Yes
[05:17] <fulio> jordan_U, yes i have and it doesnt work
[05:17] <Zombine> jordan_U Okay.  Trying now.
[05:17] <jordan_U> !minimal | kolby
[05:17] <ubotu> kolby: The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[05:18] <kolby> I see....
[05:18] <jordan_U> fulio, Can you pastebin the error it gives?
[05:19] <yannf> hello
[05:19] <yannf> what's the on the latest ubuntu about apache2 + ssl ?
[05:20] <yannf> what's the situation on the latest ubuntu about apache2 + ssl ?
[05:20] <Cpudan80> apache2 works...
[05:20] <Cpudan80> dont know about ssl
[05:20] <yannf> for apache 1.3, there are apache+mod_ssl, and apache-ssl
[05:20] <kolby> so...  could you run a computer on ubuntu-minimal without installing anything extra?
[05:20] <yannf> but i don't find either for apache2
[05:21] <kolby> like... booting into a command-line type thing?
[05:21] <yannf> is apache2 compiled with ssl?
[05:21] <tuxcrafter> hello everybody, i am using a debian based system and i found this daemons that were started from this location /etc/dbus-1/event.d/. I normally remove daemons with this command sudo update-rc.d -f avahi-daemon remove, however this has no effect on the dbus event system. So how do I correctly remove daemons started by dbus?
[05:21] <Cpudan80> no idea
[05:22] <tuxcrafter> i am using ubuntu of course
[05:22] <Zombine> jordan_U: How do I get it to search repositries instead of my hd?
[05:23] <yannf> in the man page, there is an option startssl
[05:24] <yannf> but "apache2ctl startssl" -> The startssl option is no longer supported.
[05:24] <amadeux> Would it be problematic to delete all directories except /home, and then install Feisty from scratch on that partition?
[05:24] <jordan_U> Zombine, apt-file update
[05:24] <Gek_> random question... why is it that ubuntu seems to be so munc more popular than suse or fedora right now?
[05:24] <Zombine> jordan_U Okay, thanks.
[05:24] <MoeD> installation ease?  (Or the perception of such)
[05:24] <jordan_U> Zombine, It's apt-file search BTW, not just apt-file <file>, sry
[05:25] <miked> amadeux: no
[05:25] <erUSUL> amadeux: afaics /home would be deleted
[05:25] <erUSUL> amadeux: move home to it's own partition
[05:25] <kolby> There's this really funny video I found of a Slackware user arguing with an Ubuntu user over the distros:  http://video.google.com/url?docid=6134058441699225182&esrc=sr2&ev=v&len=608&q=slackware&srcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DVSCNpzD37l4&vidurl=%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D6134058441699225182%26q%3Dslackware%26total%3D114%26start%3D0%26num%3D10%26so%3D0%26type%3Dsearch%26plindex%3D1&usg=AL29H23_Av83RsWDlaLzj7HRin3fIi
[05:25] <kolby> rhQA
[05:25] <Gek_> MoeD, maybe.... although all the top distros are all fairly easy these days
[05:25] <Kilroo> Gek_: Because a lot of people think it's easeier to install, it has this active support community, and it's been at the top of Distrowatch.
[05:25] <kolby> ....wow...  that sucked.
[05:25] <miked> amadeux: get rid of all directories you dont want and keep home, resize the filesystem and repartition just for the home directory
[05:25] <kolby> link: http://video.google.com/url?docid=6134058441699225182&esrc=sr2&ev=v&len=608&q=slackware&srcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DVSCNpzD37l4&vidurl=%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D6134058441699225182%26q%3Dslackware%26total%3D114%26start%3D0%26num%3D10%26so%3D0%26type%3Dsearch%26plindex%3D1&usg=AL29H23_Av83RsWDlaLzj7HRin3fIirhQA
[05:26] <nanonyme> huoh...
[05:26] <nanonyme> as in, sigh
[05:26] <kolby> it chopped part of my link off when I hit enter
[05:26] <miked> amadueux then when you resinsttall setup new partitions for system directories
[05:26] <Gek_> does distrowatch show the # of users using it or approxomations?
[05:26] <MoeD> kolby,  tinyurl?  =)
[05:26] <nanonyme> kolby, why on earth didn't you just give a straight link?
[05:26] <Zombine> jordan_U It isn't finding it in any repos I have...
[05:26] <nanonyme> why did you have to give all the referer stuff?
[05:26] <thesaint4444> hi guys, I am presently using Konsole for my shell terminal, can anybody recommend anything better? thanks...
[05:26] <Zombine> jordan_U Wait...
[05:26] <miked> amadeux: id seriously look into use LVM
[05:27] <kolby> nanonyme: I tried to give the straight link...  I copied the link location from google video
[05:27] <miked> amadeux: rearranging paritions without using LVM is a pain
[05:27] <nanonyme> kolby, it's not a video from google?
[05:27] <kolby> it's on youtube
[05:27] <Sephirot1> Apparently CGI:IRC is banned from here, well.. I'm in the process of recovering grub, but the problem is, Ubuntu can't mount the filesystem. O_o
[05:27] <nanonyme> kolby, it seems to be a video from youtube
[05:27] <amadeux> miked: ok, but can I set LVM up on an existing partition?
[05:27] <nanonyme> kolby, not from videos.google.com
[05:27] <Sephirot1> Grub is recovered, but I can't boot into Ubuntu.
[05:28] <miked> amadeux: not that i know of
[05:28] <Gek_> how are are they listed on distrowatch.com?
[05:28] <kolby> I used google video to find it and it gave me a youtube link
[05:28] <amadeux> miked: Also, I didn't want so much to fiddle with the partitions as such, just to delete everything but /home so I can install a clean system without backing up
[05:28] <miked> amadeux: your probably going to have to do some shufflling with whatever available disk space you have
[05:29] <Zombine> jordan_U Shows no output... Verbose mode shows a list of my repos followed by some wierd regular expression thing
[05:29] <kolby> nanonyme:  well, the video is funny.
[05:29] <miked> amadeux: totally depends on if that /home directory is on a single partition, if it is, and you remove all your system directories on that partition, there wont be a way to put those system directoreis back in when you reinstall without wiping out your home dir
[05:29] <adante> hi, i am running the alternate cd, my ide drives are appearing as dev/sdX drives, is this normal/expected?
[05:29] <adante> they showed up as /dev/hdX on the live
[05:29] <Gek_> hmmm
[05:30] <mc44> adante: yes most drives are sdX now
[05:31] <trackballuser> Vlet: I did what you said and when I boot it goes into command line, but what I need is to be able to start GDM without the login screen
[05:31] <trackballuser> Vlet: sorry if I wasn't clear before
[05:32] <frustzz> need help on sharing folder
[05:32] <kolby> yeah...  I want a 3D usplash.
[05:33] <kolby> xbox's boot ups look cool.
[05:33] <trackballuser> does anyone know how to disable GDM login so it will go straight to the desktop environment?
[05:33] <frustzz> i need to share folder on lan network
[05:34] <stroyan> trackballuser:  Edit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf and change AutomaticLoginEnable to true and set AutomaticLogin to a user name.
[05:34] <daws> anyone know of a good gnome extension for svn?
[05:35] <daws> i.e. right click->commit
[05:35] <daws> similar to tortoisesvn
[05:35] <kolby> I was looking at the usplash code and it's pretty clean and simple.  ...I think someone more experienced should incorporate 3D.
[05:35] <amadeux> miked: I don't understand what you mean
[05:35] <wishie> is there any reason (other than 'because it is') that dash is the default shell, and not bash ?
[05:35] <kolby> ...usplash has animation anyway.  Adding 3D would rock.
[05:35] <mc44> wishie: it's faster
[05:35] <daum_> what package is svnlog in?
[05:36] <neverblue2> anyone use Xen, with what kind of OS, and how does it run compared to say, VMware ?
[05:36] <wishie> mc44: by milliseconds ?
[05:36] <daws> neverblue2, I use VirtualBox and it works really well
[05:36] <kolby> 3D usplash > 2D usplash in looks.
[05:36] <neverblue2> daws, just a aptitude install away ?
[05:37] <daws> neverblue2, with windows on ubuntu
[05:37] <burg>  hello. how much space on hdd do i need for a typical ubuntu install? 6.06 ubuntu
[05:37] <Rawplayer> anyone in here who already did UCP?
[05:37] <mc44> wishie: possibly more, why is it a problem?
[05:37] <kolby> ...usplash...  + 3D
[05:38] <Zombine> is there some place where I can download a header called process.h?
[05:38] <kolby> /... starts writing code...
[05:38] <wishie> mc44: well, just as an author of a script, it breaks a few of my scripts (sure, i know, bad coding on my part, and im fixing that as we speak)
[05:38] <crdlb> wishie, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian_Almquist_shell
[05:38] <neverblue2> !virtualbox
[05:38] <ubotu> VirtualBox is open-source virtualization software for x86, with a proprietary "enterprise" version sporting additional features. Packages for Ubuntu are provided by the makers at http://www.virtualbox.org/ - Setup details at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/VirtualBox
[05:38] <daws> neverblue2, actually I remember having to download the installer and I used alien
[05:38] <crdlb> wishie, just change your shebang line
[05:38] <wishie> crdlb: ive done that.
[05:38] <mozilla-web> where is mozilla in which directory how can i find mozilla history cache
[05:38] <erUSUL> Zombine: 'sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)'
[05:38] <daws> neverblue2, do a search though
[05:38] <crdlb> if you need bash, you should always make that clear
[05:38] <wishie> crdlb: i do make it clear, when telling people how to run it
[05:39] <wishie> i just wondered why its dash, not bash in ubuntu, basically.
[05:39] <mozilla-web> where is mozilla in which directory how can i find mozilla history cache
[05:39] <crdlb> that wikipedia article explains all its advantages
[05:39] <wishie> looking now
[05:40] <Sx66gns> open home and hit crtl+h to unhide , you can find h=it there
[05:40] <IanLiu> What is the command to restart PC?
[05:40] <trackballuserr> can anyone help with disabling the gdm login screen so that startup goes directly to desktop?
[05:40] <Klavier>  i have asus a6000 leptop, i edit kismet.conf but i dont know which driver should i use for source= tag?
[05:40] <Klavier> how can i learn this
[05:40] <trackballuserr> Ianliu: sudo reboot now
[05:41] <stroyan> trackballuser:   Edit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf and change AutomaticLoginEnable to true and set AutomaticLogin to a user name.
[05:41] <mc44> trackballuserr: System->Admin->Login Window then Security
[05:41] <Zombine> erUSUL So, $ should be replaced with the name of the header I'm looking for?