[00:18] <mterry> robert_ancell, heyo!  Is there going to be a lightdm release this week?
[02:07] <robert_ancell> mterry, I just made one
[02:08]  * mterry hugs robert_ancell
[02:27] <ritz> morning
[05:37] <pitti> Good morning
[09:04] <Laney> morning!
[09:15] <tjaalton> seb128: I guess it's a bit late to add new wacom stuff to u-s-d/u-c-c?
[09:16] <seb128> tjaalton, it sure is, you can try to make a case for it if the current one is buggy/limited and you are wanting to backport the update and test it though
[09:16] <seb128> good morning desktopers btw!
[09:16] <seb128> hey Laney
[09:20] <tjaalton> seb128: ok I'll give it a go
[09:20] <seb128> tjaalton, thanks
[09:49] <Laney> ooh final gnome tarballs
[09:49] <Laney> just in time for beta freeze, lovely
[09:50] <mlankhorst> or is it lovely? :P
[09:50] <Laney> it means more people might get to have a look at the fancy generated autotools diffs
[09:51] <Laney> think of all the brains that went in to creating that stuff
[09:51] <Laney> good to take the time to appreciate it every now and again
[09:53] <CrazyLemon> hey guys
[09:53] <CrazyLemon> when the next language update is due ?
[09:53] <seb128> CrazyLemon, we had one yesterday
[09:54] <CrazyLemon> seb128 yes - thats why i'm asking for the next one :D
[09:54] <seb128> why?
[09:54] <seb128> not sure, after beta I guess
[09:55] <CrazyLemon> well yesterdays update uses english strings that were already translated a long time ago
[09:59] <seb128> CrazyLemon, do you care about giving some details or trying to explain what's the issue?
[09:59] <CrazyLemon> seb128 well i can give you details.. the question is can you help me fix them or should i just report a bug and hope it will be fixed till the next language update
[10:00] <CrazyLemon> the issue regards indicator-session package
[10:00] <seb128> pitti, hey
[10:00] <seb128> pitti, indicator-session.mo went missing in yesterdays langpack update, do you know what happened?
[10:00] <pitti> hey seb128
[10:00] <CrazyLemon> which with yestardays update is totally in english
[10:01] <pitti> seb128: let me check
[10:01] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[10:01] <pitti> seb128: eek, yes, I do
[10:02] <pitti> seb128: it rebuilt the -base packages from an update tarball, so anything which didn't change in a long time got dropped
[10:02] <ritz> ChrisTownsend, hi, https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/763148  wrt precise sru.
[10:02] <pitti> where did the beta-1 langpacks go to? that sounds broken
[10:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 763148 in Compiz Core "Adding/Removing an external monitor causes open windows to move to another workspace" [Medium,Fix committed]
[10:02] <pitti> seb128: that'll need a full rebuild, I'm afraid
[10:03] <seb128> pitti, ok, reassigned https://bugs.launchpad.net/langpack-o-matic/+bug/1297112
[10:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1297112 in langpack-o-matic "indicator-session.mo missing for gnome langpacks" [High,New]
[10:03] <seb128> pitti, can you trigger a full rebuild?
[10:04] <pitti> seb128: will do, see #u-devel (just confirmed with infinity)
[10:09] <seb128> CrazyLemon, ^
[10:09] <CrazyLemon> seb128 well first of all - that was fast :)  thanks seb128 and pitti :)
[10:09] <pitti> CrazyLemon: thanks for pointing this out
[10:09] <seb128> CrazyLemon, yw, thanks for reporting the issue!
[10:10] <CrazyLemon> should i give you more work ? because i just saw ritz's link :)
[10:10] <Laney> CrazyLemon: you'd make a good manager
[10:10] <CrazyLemon> Laney :))
[10:11] <ritz> CrazyLemon,  hi :)
[10:50] <seb128> attente, hey, can you stack https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/unity-gtk-module/1294947-fix-mnemonics  on https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/unity-gtk-module/1208019? I tried to put a landing for those but they conflict in unity-gtk-menu-item.c
[11:15] <ochosi> hey seb128
[11:15] <ochosi> (and everyone else :))
[11:15] <seb128> ochosi, hello
[11:16] <ochosi> seb128: i quickly wanted to ask you how you're handling ibus now in unity/ubuntu. i saw it's still in the seed, but from the icon-patch we did yesterday i reckoned you don't use it anymore
[11:17] <ochosi> (and we're having troubles/bugs with it in xubuntu, so we're wondering what you guys are doing, considering to just follow your lead)
[11:17] <seb128> we do use it
[11:17] <ochosi> ah
[11:17] <seb128> we don't use the indicator though
[11:17] <ochosi> ok
[11:17] <ochosi> so it's installed by default and also autostarted by default?
[11:17] <seb128> we have indicator-keyboard and unity-control-center driving it
[11:17] <seb128> yes, I think im-config starts it
[11:18] <ochosi> hmm i see. on its own, ibus seems to change the layout upon login (e.g. from en_US to en_UK or vice versa)
[11:18] <seb128> weird
[11:18] <ochosi> with unity-control-center driving it, you mostly mean the ibus-settings-dialog being accessible from there, right?
[11:19] <ochosi> yeah, also previously, there didn't use to be a trayicon, at least not by default. somehow we get the trayicon and the layout change now (we obviously haven't changed anything wrt ibus)
[11:19] <seb128> not only the ibus config dialog
[11:20] <seb128> but the control center "text input" let you add input sources
[11:20] <seb128> which are combinaison or xkb layout and ibus engines
[11:20] <seb128> like if you look for chinese you are going to get e.g chinese (pinyin)
[11:20] <seb128> if you select it, it configures both the layout and ibus to use pinyin
[11:21] <seb128> then you can click on the icon that call the ibus dialog to tweak specific options if needed...
[11:22] <ochosi> so that part is integrated in unity-control-center directly codewise?
[11:22] <ochosi> (we have ibus prefs and im-config, from what i see)
[11:23] <seb128> I'm not sure about the specific, attente would be a better person to ask
[11:23] <seb128> I think u-c-c writes the configs
[11:23] <ochosi> ok, ty
[11:23] <ochosi> will interrogate him then :)
[11:23] <seb128> indicator-keyboard/unity-settings-daemon do the handling of keys to switch, etc
[11:23] <seb128> u-s-d is also what applies the config on login I think
[11:24] <ochosi> ok, so i guess if we'd want to use indicator-keyboard, we'd need to use unity-s-d as well, right?
[11:24] <seb128> yes
[11:24] <ochosi> i guess it doesn't work without u-s-d
[11:24] <ochosi> ok
[11:24] <ochosi> that's good to know
[11:24] <seb128> you are probably better off just using the ibus notification area icon
[11:25] <ochosi> not sure that one is really necessary by default
[11:25] <ochosi> it's only useful for ppl with >1 kb-layouts/input-langs, no?
[11:25] <seb128> right
[11:25] <ochosi> those have to set up ibus anyway, then they can also activate the trayicon, i'd say
[11:25] <ochosi> (for multiple layouts, i mean)
[11:26] <seb128> right
[11:26] <ochosi> thanks for the info!
[11:26] <seb128> yw!
[11:26] <ochosi> this was already quite helpful
[12:00] <ritz> seb128, https://bugs.launchpad.net/gtk/+bug/1188571, wrt precise
[12:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1188571 in gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu Precise) "The list of printers should be searchable/sortable " [Wishlist,Triaged]
[12:03] <ritz> looks fine for sru ?
[12:04] <seb128> ritz, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/165158344/gtk%2B3.0_3.4.2-0ubuntu0.7_source.changes
[12:04] <seb128> ritz, it's in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+queue?queue_state=1
[12:05] <seb128> needs somebody from the SRU team to review though
[12:05] <ritz> seb128, thanks :)
[12:05] <seb128> yw
[12:10] <dpm> hi Trevinho, does unity-control-center appear translated on your desktop?
[12:10] <dpm> I'm asking also re: bug 1297053
[12:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1297053 in Unity Control Center "[UIFe/FFe] Add Window Contents scaling options to Display panel" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1297053
[12:11] <dpm> right now it appears completely untranslated on mine
[12:15] <tjaalton> seb128: looks like the newer wacom plugin would need newer GnomeRR api from gnome-desktop
[12:15] <seb128> tjaalton, :-(
[12:16] <seb128> dpm, u-c-c is translated there
[12:16] <seb128> dpm, dpkg -S unity-control-center.mo | grep -ca? (assuming you are using ca)
[12:17] <dpm> seb128, ok, I've also noticed there was a recent langpack update I've just installed, so I'll log out and back in first to see if that fixes it for me
[12:17] <dpm> yeah, using ca :)
[12:17] <seb128> dpm, no need to log out of u-c-c
[12:17] <seb128> for
[12:17] <seb128> that's an app, not a system service
[12:17] <seb128> just close and reopen it
[12:18] <dpm> no luck, then. The "Appearance" string also appears untranslated
[12:18] <dpm> it might actually be a case of really visible strings not being translated
[12:19] <dpm> but Launchpad times out on me and I cannot check out which ones are untranslated
[12:19] <seb128> dpm, do you have the .mo ?
[12:19] <dpm> checking now...
[12:19] <Laney> pitti: hrm, I just got a cron email from fstrim-all on my newly-upgraded panda
[12:19] <seb128> dpm, just try to gettext -d unity-control-center <String>
[12:19] <Laney> is that intended?
[12:19] <Laney> device /dev/disk/by-uuid/2d68bff4-43a4-4100-8f8e-73d0fea4a83f is not a drive that is known-safe for trimming
[12:19] <Laney> device /dev/sda1 is not a drive that is known-safe for trimming
[12:20] <pitti> Laney: hm, I fixed that in the latest util-linux; which version do you have?
[12:20] <pitti> Laney: (fixed in 2.20.1-5.1ubuntu18)
[12:20] <Laney> ah!
[12:20] <Laney> I might not have that
[12:21] <dpm> seb128, ok, the .mo file is there, so it's probably the strings not having been actually translated and thus a false alarm
[12:21] <seb128> dpm, good
[12:21] <dpm> seb128, another question: on Nautilus, do you have the top File, Edit, View, Go menus translated?
[12:22] <seb128> dpm, no, I was just starting looking at that
[12:22] <dpm> ok
[12:22] <seb128> it's weird because e.g "Bookmark" is translated
[12:22] <dpm> yeah, and the submenus are translated too
[12:22] <Laney> pitti: ah yes, I have 16 & that's fixed in 17
[12:22] <Laney> carry on :)
[12:22] <pitti> nice
[12:23] <ritz> Laney, aah, fstrim file corruption bug
[12:23] <Laney> umm?
[12:23] <ritz> fstrim can corrupt fs on heavy io loads
[12:23] <ritz> on certain sd
[12:24] <Laney> It only runs on known good ssd
[12:24] <Laney> s
[12:24] <ritz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1259829
[12:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1259829 in linux (Ubuntu) " htree_dirblock_to_tree:920: inode #53629599: block 214443464: comm rm: bad entry in directory: rec_len % 4 != 0 - offset=0(0), inode=1667681412, rec_len=45654, name_len=39" [Low,Triaged]
[12:25]  * ritz checks cron log
[12:27] <ritz> nm, I am daft
[12:31] <seb128> dpm, seems like the nautilus issue was just outdated translations, works with yesterday's langpack update (nautilus -q & nautilus)
[12:32] <dpm> seb128, yep, works here too, thanks!
[12:32] <seb128> yw!
[12:39] <tjaalton> seb128: hmm looks like it could work without the api changes, but where did data/org.*.in go from g-s-d?
[12:50] <tjaalton> shipped by g-s-d it seems
[13:34]  * Laney ships alm
[13:34] <Laney> that was fun :P
[13:35] <seb128> \o/
[14:11] <tjaalton> Laney: so #1228765 doesn't seem to be happening for T
[14:11] <tjaalton> ?
[14:12] <tjaalton> bug #1228765
[14:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1228765 in unity-control-center (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Implement DisplayConfig dbus interface and transition to gnome-desktop 3.10" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1228765
[14:16] <tjaalton> gotta love descriptive git commits msgs by hadess..
[14:16] <tjaalton> -s
[14:17] <tjaalton> anyway, wacom backport from 3.10 to u-s-d seems to be easy without the gnomerr api changes, but u-c-c would be messier
[14:20] <Trevinho> Laney, seb128: have you seen https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-control-center/+bug/1297053 ? Is it fine?
[14:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1297053 in Unity Control Center "[UIFe/FFe] Add Window Contents scaling options to Display panel" [Undecided,In progress]
[14:33] <qengho> How did cavemen live without "bzr bd-do"?
[14:54] <Laney> Trevinho: fine by me - GunnarHj might be able to help you from the docs side
[14:54] <Laney> Trevinho: have you asked mpt to have a look at the current implementation?
[14:58] <GunnarHj> Trevinho, Laney: The desktop guide does (unfortunately) not describe the new scaling feature anyway. There is just a hint on the "What's new" page, and it won't be affected by this change.
[14:58] <Trevinho> GunnarHj: thanks for the info
[14:58] <Laney> GunnarHj: okay, please comment on the bug/list saying that if you can
[14:58] <Laney> thanks!
[14:58] <Trevinho> Laney: no, then... mpt :) ? ^
[14:59] <GunnarHj> Laney: Will do.
[14:59] <mpt> Trevinho, woohoo!
[14:59] <mpt> Trevinho, what is the text of all the options in the “Scale for window contents” menu?
[15:00] <Trevinho> mpt: let me grab a screenshot, but the monitor names
[15:00] <Laney> tjaalton: Probably not, I think they were going to look into forking the library into two parallel installable pacakges for T if anything
[15:00] <Laney> but that's no good for u-c-c
[15:00] <Trevinho> mpt: and "smallest size available"
[15:01] <tjaalton> Laney: right
[15:02] <Laney> Trevinho: is there a way to have no scaling there?
[15:02] <Laney> or is that what smallest size does maybe
[15:02] <Trevinho> Laney: it is...
[15:03] <mpt> Trevinho, “Largest” and “Smallest” are pretty confusing words here … You might have a large display with a small ui-scale, or vice versa
[15:03] <Trevinho> Laney: I mean, the smallest size is generally 1... if yuou don't play with options... btw I could add a "Don't scale" option also
[15:04] <Trevinho> mpt: yeah... I need help with wording there... I asked Laney and he proposed that, so I accepted
[15:04] <mpt> It’s a tough wording question
[15:05] <Laney> I couldn't think of anything really good
[15:05] <Trevinho> mpt: that's the list btw http://i.imgur.com/bT6lGzK.png
[15:05] <mpt> thanks
[15:08] <Trevinho> mpt: as for the alignment I wasn't unsure if you preferred the sacle items to be centered or left-aligned... I made them centered at the beginning then moved to the left... to match the rest...
[15:08] <mpt> Trevinho, how about changing “Scale for window contents matches:” to “Scale all window contents to match:” …
[15:08] <Trevinho> ok, sure
[15:08] <mpt> Then change “Largest available size” to “Display with largest controls”
[15:08] <mpt> and change “Smallest available size” to “Display with smallest controls”
[15:08] <mpt> Does that make sense?
[15:09] <Trevinho> yeah... That's good for me
[15:09] <mpt> cool
[15:09] <Trevinho> mpt: thanks
[15:09] <mpt> Trevinho, your horizontal alignment is good, it just looks messed up because of the vertical spacing I think
[15:10] <Trevinho> mpt: yes, in fact that's the same I thought
[15:10] <mpt> “Scale for menu and title bars:” is closer to the menu above it than to the slider it actually applies to
[15:10] <Trevinho> yeah, that's the thing
[15:10] <Trevinho> ajnd that's caused by the gtkscale...
[15:11] <mpt> Iz mostly theme boog
[15:11] <Trevinho> I can see if I can change the thing, but I guess there's no a clean way...
[15:11] <mpt> Our popup menus are too tall and our switches are too short
[15:12] <mpt> Popup menus by default should be exactly the same height as command buttons
[15:14] <Trevinho> mpt: ah, Iv'e also just noticed that the sticky edges control is not fileld in vertical way as the toggle for the display is...
[15:14] <Trevinho> I should fix it.... I guess
[15:15] <mpt> Trevinho, yes, it’s rather unattractive to have two switches that are different sizes in the same panel :)
[15:15] <Trevinho> mpt: yeah.. :)
[15:16] <mpt> Making a switch a non-default size should be hard, but it seems GTK makes it really easy
[15:18] <Trevinho> mpt: ah... now I've the opposite problem...
[15:19] <Trevinho> mpt: the sticky edge toggle gets the same height of the rotation combo
[15:19] <Trevinho> mpt: and that's even bad I think...
[15:19] <Trevinho> mhmh
[15:19] <mpt> Trevinho, are the menus their natural height? Is anything making them taller?
[15:20] <Trevinho> that's the natural hieght
[15:20] <Trevinho> mpt: and that's what makes the table to grow
[15:20] <larsu> mpt: you need to go out of your way to size a switch differently: either set its expand properties to true (they are false by default) or pack it in a box that expands its children (which none except single-child-boxes do by default)
[15:20] <mpt> Hm, yes, they’re the same height in other panels
[15:22] <Trevinho> mpt: the fact is, if I make them to expand I'm getting this: http://people.ubuntu.com/~3v1n0/shots/Schermata%20da%202014-03-25%2016:21:55.png
[15:22] <Trevinho> and that's bad
[15:23] <Trevinho> so let me see how it works by setting the monitor toggle to the same size
[15:24] <mpt> larsu, ok, well I see the problem in “Online Accounts”, in “Security & Privacy” > “Files & Applications” vs. “Search”, in “Network”, and in current Trusty “Screen Display” … It’s pretty common.
[15:26] <mpt> Trevinho, the second switch has gone from being shorter to being taller than the first :)
[15:26] <Trevinho> mpt: yeah, that's the problem i was telling
[15:26] <Trevinho> mpt: and that's because we're in a table... so for some reason, if I set it to use its natural size it gets too small, if it expands it gets too big
[15:27] <larsu> mpt: fair enough :/ I wonder how much blame we can lay on the toolkit though, but you're right, it's certinaly not 'none'
[15:27] <mpt> Trevinho, I don’t think the natural size being too small is your fault, that’s the theme’s fault. Better to figure out how to make the first one the same size. :)
[15:27] <Trevinho> ah, mh,let me ssee something
[15:30] <seb128> hey, it's meeting time:!
[15:30]  * qengho casts Summon Desktop Team.
[15:30] <seb128> qengho, Sweetshark, mlankhorst, Laney, tkamppeter__, desrt, attente, larsu, kenvandine: hey
[15:30] <mlankhorst> hey
[15:30] <kenvandine> hey
[15:31] <didrocks> qengho: a chrome cast? :)
[15:31] <Trevinho> mpt: Here's with same height... http://people.ubuntu.com/~3v1n0/shots/Schermata%20da%202014-03-25%2016:30:18.png
[15:31] <Trevinho> mpt: but the monitor toggle becomes smaller...
[15:31] <larsu> meeting \o/
[15:32] <Trevinho> mpt: of course I could request a minimum height for both, but hardcoding sizes is not something I like, and also it won't properly work when the ui is scaled
[15:32] <seb128> Trevinho, mpt: can you continue on another channel please? we have a meeting starting here
[15:32] <seb128> ok, let's get started
[15:32] <qengho> Hi!
[15:32] <Trevinho> seb128: ook :)
[15:32] <seb128> I hope everybody is fine and ready for trusty beta and bugfixing until release
[15:32] <seb128> qengho, hey, your turn!
[15:33] <qengho> done: kept Cr up to date.
[15:33] <qengho> done: explored synaptics history and decided two-finger pinch on touchpads won't be a feature of Cr or anything else soon.
[15:33] <qengho> in-progress: polishing touch-screen UI for Cr.
[15:33] <qengho> to-do: re-explore Cr configuration of DPI settings to make it real-time instead of start-up time.
[15:33] <qengho> help!: Think about a PPAPI flash-package downloader to mitigate upcoming NPAPI death. May be download GOOG Chrome, extract? So ugly. Alternatives?
[15:33] <qengho> EOF
[15:34] <seb128> qengho, having dpi dynamic would be nice indeed ;-)
[15:35] <qengho> seb128: I think gsettings watching can fit in Cr's execution model.  Could be tricky.
[15:35] <seb128> I've no clever suggestion for your last point, good luck with that ... maybe email ubuntu-devel@ if you need some input?
[15:35] <qengho> Okaay.
[15:36] <seb128> qengho, otherwise everything looks on track for release on the chromium front?
[15:36] <qengho> Yes.  Looks promising.
[15:36] <seb128> great
[15:36] <seb128> thanks
[15:36] <seb128> Sweetshark, hey
[15:37] <seb128> no Sweetshark?
[15:37] <seb128> mlankhorst, hey
[15:38] <mlankhorst> 16:34 -!- hey, triaging bugs, fixing piglit crashing bugs, fixing some bugs and hopefully getting my optimus code ready for upstream kernel
[15:38] <seb128> how is xorg looking for the release?
[15:38] <seb128> what's the bug situation?
[15:38] <mlankhorst> well the xv bug is fixed, still too many bugs for my liking. :-( might upload 1.15.1rc1
[15:39] <seb128> when is 1.15.1 due?
[15:39] <mlankhorst> week or 2?
[15:39] <mlankhorst> and hoping for FFe for synaptics to fix some touch bugs
[15:39] <seb128> k
[15:39] <seb128> so 1.15.1 might be there for the lts release?
[15:40] <mlankhorst> hopefully
[15:40] <mlankhorst> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/1294515
[15:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1294515 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) "FFE: new upstream version to support touchpads on newer Lenovo models" [Undecided,In progress]
[15:40] <seb128> great
[15:40] <seb128> mlankhorst, thanks
[15:41]  * Sweetshark is late, didnt watch IRC
[15:42] <seb128> Sweetshark, you need a calendar or a phone or an alarm or something ;-)
[15:42] <seb128> Sweetshark, your turn
[15:42] <Sweetshark> ye- regression fix galore
[15:42] <Sweetshark> - did 4.3.1~rc1 to prereleases, waiting for rc2 (tag expected today)
[15:42] <Sweetshark> - check LO-voikko build breaker
[15:42] <Sweetshark> - backported commit, prepared hopefully final 3.5.7/precise SRU with two fixes
[15:42] <Sweetshark> - QA/triage/bugmangling
[15:42] <Sweetshark> - verified autopkgtests to run again in VM \o/
[15:42] <Sweetshark> EOF
[15:43] <seb128> Sweetshark, is rc2 going to trusty?
[15:43] <Sweetshark> seb128: yes it should
[15:43] <seb128> what's the libreoffice situation for release? is there any bug you are worried about?
[15:43] <seb128> ok, let me know if you need sponsoring
[15:44] <Sweetshark> seb128: writer and impress are good, calc has still some ~30 regressions -- upstream is working on that.
[15:44] <seb128> ok
[15:44] <seb128> let's see what they manage to get for 4.3.1
[15:44] <seb128> we still have SRUs otherwise
[15:44] <seb128> Sweetshark, thanks
[15:45] <seb128> Laney, hey
[15:45] <Laney> what up
[15:45] <Laney> • Various fixes to activity-log-manager
[15:45] <Laney> • Investigate nautilus bug (bgo #708282)
[15:45] <Laney> • u-s-s review click package MP, give some comments
[15:45] <Laney> • Investigate time & date panel in u-s-s not working properly, turns out to be a Qt 5.2 bug https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-37683
[15:45] <Laney> • GNOME updates p11-kit (file conflict inherited from Debian, fix & forward there) & pango1.0
[15:45] <Laney> • farstream-0.2 ftbfs, gtk-doc usual woes; forward upstream
[15:45] <Laney> • Update webkit, ftbfs on armhf, bug in gcc-4.8 http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=60617
[15:45] <Laney> • Usual FFe reviews, now with added queue review fun (frozen from now to release)
[15:45] <ubot2> gcc.gnu.org bug 60617 in target "[4.8 Regression] unable to find a register to spill in class 'LO_REGS'" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[15:45] <Laney> ✧
[15:47] <seb128> Laney, thanks for picking in the trusty tagged bugslist ;-) (I should add some more there)
[15:47] <seb128> Laney, is there anything that worry you for release from your ubuntu-release viewpoint?
[15:48] <Laney> lock screen ...
[15:49] <Laney> other than that there's not much on the list, just the hidpi stuff really
[15:49] <seb128> hidpi doesn't worry me much
[15:49] <seb128> I'm still wondering if the lockscreen is worth it
[15:49] <seb128> or if we should rollback
[15:49] <Laney> that's not a worry, just a thing left to do
[15:49] <Laney> yeah ...
[15:49] <seb128> it feels nice to use though
[15:50] <kenvandine> it is nice
[15:50] <seb128> even if mpt doesn't like having lock screen and greeter looking similar because of the confusion it creates (I really hate the gnome-screensaver grey rectangle UI)
[15:50] <kenvandine> windows 95 :)
[15:50] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[15:50] <seb128> tkamppeter, hey
[15:50] <Laney> Some of the bugs are things you can't really have though
[15:50] <tkamppeter> - Google Summer of Code 2014: Student applications closed, for OpenPrinting I got students for implementing IPP-over-USB and for working on the color management support in CUPS.
[15:50] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Released 1.0.49 with fixes in the pdftops filter to make Toshiba PostScript printers work.
[15:50] <tkamppeter> - foomatic-db: Uploaded current version with latest printer support.
[15:50] <tkamppeter> - ghostscript, foomatic-db-engine: bug fix updates.
[15:50] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[15:51] <seb128> Laney, you mean?
[15:52] <seb128> tkamppeter, nice work on bugfixes, keep those coming for the LTS ;-)
[15:52] <Laney> I mean that there are bugs that need to be fixed
[15:52] <seb128> oh, right, I misparsed it on first read
[15:52] <seb128> tkamppeter, thanks
[15:52] <seb128> desrt, hey
[15:52] <desrt> hi
[15:52] <desrt> mostly smoketesting the gnome release this past week
[15:53] <desrt> and figuring out bugs
[15:53] <desrt> but also managed to get more work done on gmaincontext redo.... including solving the tricky lock/free race issues once and for all (i hope)
[15:54] <desrt> ☙
[15:55] <seb128> desrt, nice work on the gsettings bugfix, seems to be working from an e.u.c review
[15:55] <desrt> oh.  good.
[15:55] <desrt> looks like 2.40 ended up being a pretty decent release in terms of no big bleeders
[15:55] <desrt> (oh ya... also did releases) ;)
[15:55] <seb128> yeah, nothing to complain about
[15:55] <desrt> except some file monitors :)
[15:55] <seb128> Laney, I guess you are going to handle the glib/dconf updates?
[15:56] <Laney> sure
[15:56] <seb128> desrt, right...
[15:56] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[15:56] <seb128> desrt, thanks
[15:56] <seb128> attente, hey, not sure if you are around (guess not if you are still in the same tz), just pinging in case ;-)
[15:57] <seb128> ok, probably sleeping, no worry
[15:57] <seb128> larsu, your turn then!
[15:57] <larsu> bug fixes! (in a slightly shorter week due to Friday off)
[15:57] <larsu> let me thing ... in the messaging menu: align application shortcuts correctly
[15:58] <larsu> *think
[15:58] <larsu> sound menu: fix animation in the play button when starting a player from there, investigate a crash, and fix focus indication
[15:58] <larsu> that last one is still wip, just talked to matthew about how to implement it correctly
[15:58] <larsu> I think that's about it for the week?!
[15:59] <seb128> it feels like you had some other bugfixing in themes/indicators
[15:59] <seb128> but I didn't keep track exactly
[15:59] <seb128> larsu, thanks ;-)
[15:59] <larsu> there was some icon stuff
[15:59] <Laney> Filter for [Merge] lp:~larsu in your emails, that's what I usually do :P
[16:00] <larsu> and the volume notification in i-sound honors allow-amplified now
[16:00] <larsu> meh, stuff like that
[16:00] <larsu> Laney: good idea, thanks
[16:00] <seb128> larsu, thanks
[16:00]  * desrt wonders why Laney watches for larsu's merges
[16:00] <seb128> kenvandine, your turn
[16:00] <kenvandine> Content hub features have landed!
[16:00] <kenvandine>  * Found a few bugs during the landing that didn't effect the default apps, I have fixes prepared to land this week.
[16:00] <kenvandine>  * Download manager integration is starting now
[16:00] <larsu> desrt: Laney watches us all.
[16:00] <kenvandine>  /EOF
[16:00] <Laney> desrt: salary review!
[16:01] <seb128> kenvandine, good job on landing the content-hub work!
[16:01] <kenvandine> thx :)
[16:01] <seb128> kenvandine, I saw some people mentioning config issues, do you have an hand on that?
[16:01] <larsu> for some reason, I read that as celery review and was confused...
[16:01] <kenvandine> now to keep the landings smaller
[16:01] <kenvandine> seb128, not sure what's up with that... i'm investigating
[16:01] <kenvandine> seb128, i suspect those were people that might have been testing the gallery switch to click landing
[16:02] <kenvandine> to test that the default had to be tweaked
[16:02] <kenvandine> but can't confirm
[16:02] <seb128> k
[16:02] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks
[16:02] <seb128> ok, my turn
[16:02] <seb128> • split user avatar icons from g-c-c in a new binary so u-c-c can recommend those
[16:02] <seb128> • some desktop updates and bugfixes
[16:02] <seb128> • reviewed/tested ubuntu-system-settings change (mostly the click integration)
[16:02] <seb128> • lot of bug triage, e.u.c and launchpad review
[16:02] <seb128> • helped people to test/land their fixes (indicators mostly)

[16:04] <seb128> some testing of the current trusty with a look to translations as well (we usually spot untranslatable strings, etc only at the end of the cycle when we stop having outdated templates and the remaining non translated strings are bugs)
[16:04] <seb128> ok
[16:04] <seb128> is there any other topic/comment/question this week?
[16:04] <Laney> yeah, there's some ubuntu-desktop-trusty bugs that could do with being assigned ;-)
[16:06] <seb128> Laney, yeah, let have a look to the list again, I usually assign easy bugfixes/bugs that have an obvious owner
[16:06] <seb128> it's less easy to do for stuff like "shutdown doesn't ask for confirmation when other users are logged in"
[16:06] <seb128> ok, seems like we are done with the meeting at least
[16:06] <seb128> thanks everyone
[16:07] <Laney> thanks!
[16:07]  * kenvandine waves
[16:33] <Trevinho> Laney: fyi mpt approved the MP
[16:34] <Laney> Trevinho: neat so you just need translation guys I guess
[16:34] <Laney> not sure who that is, maybe dpm
[16:34] <dpm> what's up?
[16:35] <Laney> do you know who can do translation team acks for UIF exceptions?
[16:36] <dpm> folks in the ubuntu-translators ML, including myself. Is this the UIF I was pinging Trevinho about this morning?
[16:36] <dpm> UIFe
[16:36] <Trevinho> dpm: oh, I didn't see any pings :o
[16:36] <Laney> dpm: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-control-center/+bug/1297053
[16:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1297053 in Unity Control Center "[UIFe/FFe] Add Window Contents scaling options to Display panel" [Undecided,In progress]
[16:39] <dpm> Trevinho, Laney, ack'ed it
[16:39] <Laney> thanks
[16:40] <Trevinho> dpm: ta
[16:40] <Trevinho> now it's seb128's turn, on code :)
[16:41] <Laney> No rush really, should wait until after beta
[16:41] <Trevinho> Laney: yes indeed
[16:43] <Trevinho> Laney: so... I'd need now one more and the last UIF.... :P as with the new decorations the  "Force quit window" dialog is not shown anymore (thus it's a regression), and so I need to move it to unity. This doesn't bring any new feature, but the strings needs to be moved inside the unity pkg
[16:44] <Laney> Trevinho: I don't think that would need an exception
[16:44] <Laney> The string should already be translated in the langpack
[16:44] <Laney> s
[16:44] <Trevinho> Laney: the fact is that I would like to change the strings to match design...
[16:45] <Laney> is it important enough to break translations?
[16:46] <Trevinho> Laney: well, it would be nice, but let me see how things might come with old strings
[16:46] <Laney> ack
[16:46] <Trevinho> Laney: the fact that the strings were in compiz instead that in unity doesn't affect it, then right?
[16:49] <Laney> Trevinho: they should be consolodated into the langpacks, so no
[16:49] <Laney> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/LanguagePacks
[16:49] <Trevinho> ok, nice
[17:17] <seb128> Trevinho, sorry, was in a call
[17:17] <Trevinho> seb128: no problem, take your time with that MR :)
[17:17] <seb128> Laney, Trevinho: seems like we could land that work for beta still
[17:18] <seb128> not other image than Ubuntu ses u-c-c
[17:18] <seb128> well, we can land it in proposed and discuss let it in if there is a respin
[17:18] <seb128> Laney, wdyt?
[17:18] <Laney> not true
[17:18] <Laney> at least edubuntu and kylin will have it
[17:18] <seb128> Laney, ?
[17:19] <seb128> hum, apt-cache depends doesn't ...
[17:19] <Laney> they have ubuntu-desktop
[17:19] <seb128> oh they are based on ubuntu-desktop right?
[17:19] <Laney> use seeded-in-ubuntu!
[17:19] <seb128> lol, thanks, I was looking for that command
[17:19] <seb128> I tried whereis but it didn't do what I wanted :p
[17:20] <Laney> huh, that's a weird command
[17:20] <Laney> why do you want to know the path to the man page?
[17:20] <seb128> well, that doesn't change the "we can land that in proposed" suggestion ;-)
[17:20] <Laney> you can land it in the queue and then the release team can choose to take it or not
[17:20] <kenvandine> seb128, with the latest unity8 changes, the background isn't shown... at all
[17:21] <seb128> kenvandine, right, "by design" :/
[17:21] <Laney> I just noticed that
[17:21] <seb128> I need to talk to mpt about updating the settings design
[17:21] <Laney> ummmm seriously?
[17:21] <kenvandine> so are we dropping that from uss?
[17:21] <seb128> yes
[17:21] <Laney> wtf
[17:21] <seb128> well, we keep the greeter config one
[17:21] <Laney> why did we spend so much time doing stuff with design
[17:21] <seb128> so content-hub is still being used :p
[17:21] <Laney> s/design/background/
[17:21] <kenvandine> it's nice for the greeter
[17:21] <seb128> well, most of it is still useful for the greeter
[17:21] <kenvandine> but weird to not be able to see that otherwise :/
[17:21] <seb128> it's just that we are down from 2 icons to 1
[17:22] <seb128> right
[17:22] <kenvandine> it'll make the background panel simpler
[17:22] <seb128> they rational is that images don't give enough content to see the lenses content
[17:22] <seb128> their*
[17:22] <seb128> ups
[17:22] <seb128> "their rational is that images don't give enough contrast to see the lenses content"
[17:22] <seb128> from what I understood
[17:22] <Laney> I managed to have one that I liked :|
[17:22] <seb128> :-(
[17:23] <kenvandine> on the phone i think i might buy it... it can be tough to read stuff if the wallpaper doesn't provide enough contrast
[17:23] <kenvandine> but i think for convergence, we need it
[17:23] <seb128> right
[17:23] <kenvandine> so i guess we can't drop it from uss
[17:23] <kenvandine> just tweak it ;)
[17:23] <seb128> well, I guess that's where one those cases where unity8 is going to adapt to the factor
[17:23] <seb128> right
[17:23] <seb128> we are going to need different UIs for different factors anyway
[17:23] <kenvandine> so we need designs :)
[17:24] <seb128> right, I'm opening a bug
[17:24] <kenvandine> thx
[17:24] <kenvandine> i'll take that one when we have designs
[17:24] <kenvandine> it is nicer for viewing content
[17:25] <Laney> if you like being blinded by a bright grey
[17:26] <Laney> grrrrrrrrrrrr
[17:26] <Laney> so I'll stop working on my secret clone of pattrn then
[17:27] <seb128> kenvandine, Laney, mpt: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1297418
[17:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1297418 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "[background] needs updated design, since unity8-phone stopped supporting custom background images" [Undecided,New]
[17:29] <seb128> Saviq, do you have a point to a design document/discussion about the unity8 side of the change?
[17:29] <Laney> I'm mailing ubuntu-phone
[17:29] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[17:32] <kenvandine> seb128, thx
[20:38] <attente> ochosi: hi, what ibus problems are you encountering?
[20:39] <ochosi> hey attente
[20:39] <ochosi> thanks for getting back to me!
[20:40] <ochosi> we're seeing an odd bug in xubuntu with ibus currently, where ppl who select a en_GB kb-layout in ubiquity end up with en_US in the session
[20:40] <ochosi> so i was wondering whether something changed in how ibus handles the kb-layouts
[20:41] <ochosi> that's why i asked seb128 about unity's use of ibus before
[20:41] <ochosi> (i initially had thought you don't use it anymore, because you have indicator-keyboard, didn't know that works with ibus)
[20:44] <attente> ochosi: seems quite strange if it's only affecting keyboard layouts, i guess that should be strictly a unity-settings-daemon problem
[20:45] <attente> indicator-keyboard is really just a front-end for triggering layout/IM changes in u-s-d
[20:45] <ochosi> attente: hmyeah, we don't have unity-settings-daemon in xubuntu obviously
[20:45] <attente> ochosi: oh, sorry, i'm not sure what's the equivalent in xfce
[20:46] <ochosi> xfsettingsd
[20:46] <ochosi> but that one isn't really interacting with ibus i think
[20:46] <attente> ochosi: yeah, i'm not sure if that's an ibus problem at all
[20:46] <ochosi> humm
[20:47] <elfy> mmm
[20:47] <ochosi> so what we're seeing is that the ibus trayicon pops up in the session and shows a different layout (en_US) than what localectl returns (en_GB)
[20:47] <ochosi> and xfsettingsd is configured to use the "system settings" (which i'd presume is what localectl returns)
[20:54] <attente> ochosi: is the keyboard layout actually the GB one? i mean is the problem only that the ibus indicator is displaying differently?
[20:55] <ochosi> attente: no, the kb-layout is US (so what ibus displays)
[20:56] <ochosi> attente: but lightdm-gtk-greeter gets en_UK
[20:56] <ochosi> so it is set to en_UK in the system somehow, but overridden later
[20:57] <elfy> and simply purging ibus stops the issue
[20:57] <attente> hmm, so wouldn't that mean ibus is actually working correctly in this case?
[20:57] <attente> elfy: oh, does it?
[20:57] <attente> hmm.. i see
[20:57] <elfy> it is definitely not what we used to see prior to ibus ending up on the panel
[20:58] <elfy> I would have mentioned it before - ochosi will bear testament to me going on when needed ;)
[20:59]  * ochosi bears testament
[20:59] <elfy> :)
[21:03] <attente> ochosi: do you know what's pulling in ibus under xubuntu?
[21:04] <ochosi> attente: we have had it in our seeds forever
[21:04] <ochosi> we could drop it, but somehow everyone is seeding it
[21:05] <ochosi> i guess that's the main reason for us to seed it as well
[21:08] <elfy> attente: in a meeting we had last week micahg thought maybe that it was the change to 1.5.5 - possible regression
[21:10] <attente> elfy: sounds like it :(
[21:10] <elfy> https://github.com/ibus/ibus/commit/e64b25c0ab8fadeae97fe78dcfcbc3a5d0869c6b
[21:10] <attente> elfy: any way to test an older package?
[21:10] <elfy> I think
[21:11] <elfy> we did try last Thursday but got nowhere
[21:12] <attente> elfy: when did you first notice the problem?
[21:12] <elfy> I know it's anecdotal - but I remember the bug hitting us - it was me that reported it and it was just after that 1.5.5
[21:12] <elfy> bug 1284635
[21:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1284635 in ibus (Ubuntu) "Keyboard layout changes after login" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1284635
[21:13] <ochosi> i wonder whether ibus has any logs


 I like the blue and purple. I am using a cursor theme to make my cursor puprle but so much stuff being electron I sadly don't get the purple cursor everywhere
 Seriously though, I don't mind our color scheme too much. I think it needs to be more than one color; fading the blue to the pink/purple seems good.
 I like the waves though too. 21.10 was one of my favorites.
[00:02] <arraybolt3> It wouldn't be hard to add a touch of purple to the waves somewhere. Sort of like a "sunrise" effect.
[00:02]  * arraybolt3 pops open GIMP to come up with a quick concept
[00:07] <arraybolt3> maybe a bit too subtil: https://i.imgur.com/1hIjPgB.png
 It might be. It seems like a good path though.
[00:15]  * tsimonq2 cracks his knuckles
[00:16] <tsimonq2> seal308, @Nani72Noni: Your low-hanging fruit document, as promised. :) https://git.lubuntu.me/lubuntu-wiki/wiki/wiki/low-hanging-fruit
[00:16] <tsimonq2> !standup | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[00:16] <tsimonq2> XD
 👋
[00:16] <tsimonq2> Okay, we aren't actually doing a standup. But, the more eyes the better on that.
[00:16] <tsimonq2> (Read: all hands on deck if at all possible, pretty please. :) )
[00:18] <arraybolt3> kc2bez: heh, ok this wasn't intentional but I kinda liked it when I saw it: https://i.imgur.com/o9mfzs5.png
[00:18] <tsimonq2> That's ... bright heh :)
[00:18]  * tsimonq2 shrieks in dark mode
[00:18] <arraybolt3> yeah, that was my complaint too
[00:19] <arraybolt3> it's easy to turn down though
 Yeah, dialed back might be nice.
[00:20] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: I like the low-hanging fruit document. Some of it looks a bit scary but still not too bad.
[00:22] <arraybolt3> kc2bez, tsimonq2: attempt 2: https://i.imgur.com/BMDkEnw.png
[00:22] <arraybolt3> this is just general concepts, not an actual "alright there's our SDDM screen" or anything
[00:23] <arraybolt3> It's the same blue waves, but with a purple and very noticeable gradient flare and with some brightness contrast added between one corner and another.
 I like the concepts
[00:25] <arraybolt3> speaking of dark mode... I don't think Lubuntu actually *has* a dark mode?
[00:25] <arraybolt3> (I generally run in light mode with very low brightness, for me that's less eyestrain than higher brightness with dark mode, but that's probably just me since I don't know anyone else who does that.)
[00:28] <arraybolt3> ah, actually we do have a dark mode, I've just never seen the setting for it before today.
[00:30] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: maybe that can be an additional low-hanging fruit item? Add an easily visible dark mode button somewhere where it makes sense?
[00:31] <arraybolt3> I don't know if that's really a good idea, maybe it breaks from the Lubuntu way of doing things, but that's one setting that I never realized was there literally until a few minutes ago.
[00:32] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: Did I raise the idea of a dark mode switch or did I just think it? :)
[00:32] <tsimonq2> I literally don't remember.
[00:32] <arraybolt3> You were the one to say "shrieks in bright mode" :P
[00:32] <arraybolt3> s/bright/dark/
[00:32] <arraybolt3> wow so I can't type
[00:32] <tsimonq2> Nah, I mean, earlier in the week :)
[00:32] <arraybolt3> ah, I don't remember that but I could easily be wrong.
[00:32] <tsimonq2> I did think to myself, "man, we really need a dark mode button!"
[00:32] <tsimonq2> I think a toggle switch in installer prompt may do.
[00:33] <tsimonq2> Once this gets rolling we could also re-invest a lot more time and effort into the welcome menu too!
 It is not a bad idea, I like dark mode, many others do too.
[00:33] <arraybolt3> should be easy to implement, reverse-engineer whatever the LXQt settings uses for it, then yeah, add it to the installer prompt.
[00:33] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: Wanna add it to the wiki? ;)
[00:33] <arraybolt3> sure, why not
[00:34] <kc2bez-1> Ok, webchat for IRC links should all be updated now.
[00:34] <tsimonq2> <3
[00:36] <arraybolt3> \o/
 https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/noble-numbat-release-schedule/35649
 (re @tsimonq2: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/noble-numbat-release-schedule/35649)
 Your... face... is... a... release.... schedule.... O-o (re @tsimonq2: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/noble-numbat-release-schedule/35649)
[04:43] <seal3083> for low hanging at https://git.lubuntu.me/lubuntu-wiki/wiki/wiki/low-hanging-fruit it says "Ask nicely for an account on git.lubuntu.me ". Can I please have an account on git.lubuntu.me?
[05:49] <guiverc> seal308, if no-one is present who can action this, leaving a request on our discourse may help (provide link to your launchpad profile, or any other detail you have may also be helpful) - https://discourse.lubuntu.me/
[05:51] <guiverc> (our phab used to get numerous spam requests; thus why I suggested ^ ... git.lubuntu.me replaced our phab)
 Also, all of our repositories are mirrored to GitHub, so you could always use that for pull requests for the time being :)
 Oh, thanks. That helps a lot 🥲. I submitted a PR to nm-tray? Is it someone from the Lubuntu team maintaining it?
 Here's the thing... (re @Nani72Noni: Oh, thanks. That helps a lot 🥲. I submitted a PR to nm-tray? Is it someone from the Lubuntu team maintaining it?)
 No, but any patch you submit, we can grab on a distro level :)
 (This specific one is maintained by a member of the LXQt team; while I have commit access to LXDE and LXQt upstream, this isn't one of those repos ;) )
 Anyway, thanks! Got a link?
 https://github.com/palinek/nm-tray/pull/65
[13:21] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Pull 65 in palinek/nm-tray "Fixed spelling errors" [Open]
 I only see "wireles" as the remaining typo, but you hit the nail on the head there :)

 The only thing I could see a complaint about is translation strings, but that's basically just a recursive sed to fix, and I won't burden you with that quite yet (re @Nani72Noni: https://github.com/palinek/nm-tray/pull/65)
[13:26] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Pull 65 in palinek/nm-tray "Fixed spelling errors" [Open]
 Thanks. I didn't notice that one 😳
 Not a problem, it isn't merged yet :D
 Here's our GitHub mirror if either you or seal3083 would like to get started :) https://github.com/lubuntu-team/
 For git.lubuntu.me accounts, iirc we just need email addresses
 My email is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>for now ;)
 Forwarded from Planet KDE: Two Breeze Icon Updates

 https://anditosan.wordpress.com/2024/01/05/two-breeze-icon-updates/
 We don't use the Breeze icons, but have some users that might
 (The past rationale has been, Papirus just looks better, and we don't wanna look exactly like Kubuntu in styling :P)
 @kc2bez I forget if I have powers for this (re @Nani72Noni: My email is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>for now ;))
[14:31] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: I like the Papirus theme, and am not that big of a fan of Breeze, so +1 on that :)
 I am not sure, I can take care of it though. (re @tsimonq2: @kc2bez I forget if I have powers for this)
 muchas gracias :)
 I will send you a PM here shortly, it will have your account details. (re @Nani72Noni: My email is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>for now ;))
 Anyone wanna claim this support request? https://www.reddit.com/r/Lubuntu/s/TvK7FVenXU
 `lsblk`? If I am reading the tea leaves through this one though; the bug is that if you use the unmount thing in the tray it won't detect the device if it is plugged back in during the same session. Does that seem like the right track? (re @tsimonq2: Anyone wanna claim this support request? https://www.reddit.com/r/Lubuntu/s/TvK7FVenXU)
 It does, yeah :) (re @kc2bez: lsblk? If I am reading the tea leaves through this one though; the bug is that if you use the unmount thing in the tray it won't detect the device if it is plugged back in during the same session. Does that seem like the right track?)
[19:45] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: new picom-conf packaging in Git, please review and sponsor at your earliest convenience.
[19:46] <arraybolt3> hang on, problem noticed just now
[19:46] <arraybolt3> by some feat of insanity I've managed to mangle a changelog date
[19:47] <arraybolt3> oh wait no I didn't
[19:47] <arraybolt3> alright nevermind, we're good
[19:48] <arraybolt3> I just forgot to tag my stuff :P
[19:53] <arraybolt3> umm... how should I express a ~ in a version tag?
[19:53] <arraybolt3> We don't have instructions on how to do it, and Git doesn't like it. I used a _ instead.
[20:03] <arraybolt3> I forgot a step in picom-conf :-/
[20:04] <arraybolt3> alright, fixed
[20:07] <arraybolt3> actually ended up fixing two issues
[20:27] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: alright, *finally* picom-conf is ready for review.
[20:37] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: also got the Debian-side packaging done and copied you in on a bug email about it.


[07:53] <flocculant> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/xubuntu-staging
[07:53] <flocculant> something is up there - the series drop down is empty ...
[22:58] <Unit193> flocculant: In case you were actually looking for an answer.  Because the PPA is empty.
[23:00] <Unit193> bluesabre: Would we consider setting GDK_CORE_DEVICE_EVENTS=1 or is that another in the box of "Unit193's oddities"?
[23:05] <bluesabre> Unit193, is that the fix for the first scroll event getting eaten?
[23:05] <Unit193> bluesabre: Workaround, yes.
[23:06] <bluesabre> Probably won't get fixed, so we'll consider it a fix
[23:06] <bluesabre> Unit193, I think it's valuable for us to have
[23:07] <Unit193> It certainly won't get fixed, according to the bug report.  And cool.  Testing it on yakkety to see if there's any adverse affects.
[23:07] <bluesabre> Unit193, awesome, thanks!


[16:38] <xnox> cyphermox, i was pondering to upload the raidid= patch to debian, and sync.
[16:38] <xnox> there was open request for inclusion into debian since forever.
[16:38] <xnox> one less package to maintain then.
[19:29] <cyphermox> xnox: I'll do the forwarding
[19:30] <cyphermox> it's indeed one of the things that make sense to just upload, and now I made it even simpler
[20:11] <cyphermox> xnox: did you try the raidid patch yourself? I don't have raid hardware to play with
[20:12] <cyphermox> meh, I suppose I could setup qemu to emulate it
[23:57] <xnox> cyphermox, i do have matrix raid, intel rapid raid in my desktop. cause i did a refresh of it last time around when working on this stuff.


[16:33] <czajkowski> ebel: thanks
[16:44] <tdr112> hey cztab
[16:48] <czajkowski> tdr112: howdy
[17:08] <czajkowski> tdr112: hows work going ?
[20:46] <airurando> evening all
[20:53] <czajkowski> aloha
[20:54] <czajkowski> hows you airurando
[20:54] <airurando> hi czajkowski
[20:54] <airurando> not bad, had a crazy July but getting back to normal now.
[20:55] <airurando> how are you keeping yourself?
[20:58] <czajkowski> ntb
[20:58] <czajkowski> just booked to come back from 23/8 - 1/9
[20:58] <airurando> nice
[20:59] <airurando> pity you will miss the UGJ here on the 4th
[20:59] <airurando> all going well that is.
[21:00]  * airurando is trying to get around MootBot letting us down during the July meeting :(
[21:01] <airurando> czajkowski will you be around Dublin during this trip home?
[21:02] <czajkowski> not sure...
[21:02] <czajkowski> airurando: whats wrong with mootbot?
[21:03] <airurando> as far as I can make out it didn't record the minutes or logs of our last meeting
[21:03] <czajkowski> how odd
[21:03] <airurando> I chaired
[21:03] <czajkowski> hmm
[21:03] <czajkowski> I'd ask alanbell
[21:03] <czajkowski> he tends to know these things
[21:03] <airurando> started the meeting and ended it correctly I think.
[21:04] <airurando> I'll ping him
[21:04] <airurando> thanks
[21:04] <czajkowski> np
[21:12] <AlanBell> #startmeeting
[21:12] <MootBot> Meeting started at 16:12. The chair is AlanBell.
[21:12] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[21:13] <AlanBell> #endmeeting
[21:13] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 16:13.
[21:13] <AlanBell> that isn't one of my bots
[21:14] <airurando> right
[21:15] <airurando> any idea who owns it?
[21:15] <AlanBell> it is the 'official' mootbot from #ubuntu-meeting
[21:15] <AlanBell> but it isn't identified which is odd
[21:16] <AlanBell> ask in #ubuntu-bots
[21:16] <AlanBell> because that will be an issue for others I expect
[21:16] <AlanBell> meetingology is supposed to be growing the ability to re-process logs into minutes
[21:17] <AlanBell> so you point it at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/07/20/%23ubuntu-ie.txt and it will read it and make minutes in moin wiki syntax
[21:18] <airurando> AlanBell you are speaking way above my head on this but thanks
[21:18] <czajkowski> airurando: ahh my bad
[21:18] <czajkowski> airurando: meet AlanBell he has a newwer bot which does funky stuff to help do the wiki bit afterwards
[21:18] <airurando> I'll raise it in #ubuntu-bots
[21:18] <czajkowski> I forgot ours isnt that bot
[21:19] <airurando> czajkowski I've met AlanBell on IRC before
[21:20] <AlanBell> it has reminded me to finish my bot
[21:21] <airurando> for now though I'll pull the minutes and logs manually
[21:22] <airurando> is there a backup we can use for future meetings?
[21:22] <AlanBell> I can send in one of mine, but you would have to kick out the other (they don't get along)
[21:23] <AlanBell> however best to get that one fixed in the short term as that will be screwing up everyone who has meetings in #ubuntu-meeting
[21:27] <airurando> curious as http://www.novarata.net/mootbot/ doesn't appear to have recorded logs since the end of June
[21:27] <airurando> for anyone if my initial scan is correct
[21:28] <airurando> into #ubuntu-bots I go
[21:35] <airurando> AlanBell I'll chat to the guys about kicking MootBot and get back to you
[21:35] <airurando> Thanks for the offer.
[21:36] <AlanBell> looks like this may be the time to finish the thing and make it official
[21:36] <airurando> We need to get this sorted for our next meeting later in August
[21:36] <airurando> go for it AlanBell
[21:36] <airurando> :)
[21:36] <AlanBell> the plan is to put the plugin that I have written into the loco bots
[21:36] <AlanBell> so lubotu3 etc will just grow the ability to conduct a meeting
[21:38] <airurando> sounds cool


[00:55] <XubuntuKris> When I try to eject my sdcard from the computer, I get a message that says something about data still being written to the card, but it doesn't stay up for long enough to read anything specific.
[00:55] <XubuntuKris> I'm running 10.10
[00:57] <GridCube> yes it says that
[00:57] <GridCube> if you click again on the sdcard and dont have the "umount" option anymore its safe to remove it
[00:58] <XubuntuKris> it doesn't leave the icon.
[00:58] <XubuntuKris> it just disappears after that
[00:58] <GridCube> oh then its safe :D
[00:58] <GridCube> you can do it from thunar :P
[00:58] <XubuntuKris> And I never see the "unmount" option, It says "eject volume"
[00:59] <XubuntuKris> If I unmount via terminal, the icon stays.
[00:59] <XubuntuKris> what's that about?
[01:00] <XubuntuKris> plus it doesn't give me that warning.
[01:01] <GridCube> yes, they eject thing is different from the umount, because its dinamyc, don't really know more tho
[01:02] <knome> unmounting means the drive isn't technically tied to the pc anymore
[01:02] <knome> ejecting makes more sense with cd's
[01:03] <XubuntuKris> well it's not a cd. Hell, this computer doesn't even have a disk drive.
[01:03] <knome> XubuntuKris, please watch your language
[01:04] <XubuntuKris> please excuse my potty mouth.
[01:04] <XubuntuKris> I'll go wash it out with soap
[01:04] <XubuntuKris> lol
[01:05] <knome> XubuntuKris, if you can unmount the sd card, you're okay.
[01:05] <knome> i know that the unmounting/ejecting stuff can be tricky sometimes
[01:06] <XubuntuKris> So if it is still busy, it won't let me unmount?
[01:06] <knome> yes
[01:06] <knome> that's correct
[01:06] <XubuntuKris> okay, that's good info.
[01:06] <XubuntuKris> thanks
[01:06] <knome> no problem
[01:06] <knome> sometimes it just feels like it's never going to unmount, but eventually it will
[01:08] <XubuntuKris> Well, that's the thing, it never takes long. It just displays that message for like .02 seconds.
[01:09] <knome> i mean, generally long, not displaying the message.
[01:09] <knome> you can just try unmounting again
[01:11] <zruty> TheSheep: A little late, but indeed, I verified the WLAN switch was broken.
[01:12] <zruty> I fixed the switch and WLAN works perfectly under xubuntu now.
[02:41] <ledjo> hi, how can I delete xp after installing xubuntu with wubi?
[02:44] <GridCube> mmm
[02:44] <GridCube> O_o i don't think you can do that
[02:44] <GridCube> why dont you install it properly?
[02:45] <ledjo> tis on my older laptop and my cdrom drive doesn't work any more..
[02:46] <GridCube> mmm use unetbootin?
[02:47] <GridCube> to install from a usb device
[02:47] <ledjo> already tried but it stops before partitionig
[02:47] <bazhang> move wubi to its own partition then
[02:48] <bazhang> or better to save what you can and just install xubuntu fresh
[02:48] <bazhang> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide
[02:48] <charlie-tca> Wubi is installing xubuntu as part of windows, you must install xubuntu to a separate partition before deleting XP
[02:49] <GridCube> ledjo, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1519354
[02:49] <ledjo> ok zhx just a sec I'm reading
[02:50] <bazhang> zhx?
[02:52] <ledjo> *thx, sorry
[02:59] <ledjo> can I just make the 2nd partition in xp, wubi install xubuntu on it and then format and join 1st one with xp on it?
[03:01] <GridCube> i don't know
[03:05] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu should not be installed in fat or ntfs, if possible. It is normally installed in an ext3 or ext4 partition. What cd are you using?
[03:06] <charlie-tca> ledjo: which cd did you download?
[03:06] <ledjo> live
[03:07] <charlie-tca> Then why not just run the install from it, let it do a guided resize partition, and install itself. Then you can remove xp after making sure it works
[03:07] <charlie-tca> The Xubuntu live cd will do the partitioning for you
[03:08] <ledjo> cause my cdrom isn't working
[03:08] <ledjo> coure Idd install it normally
[03:08] <ledjo> ..
[03:09] <charlie-tca> If you install using windows, it will still not be separate from windows.
[03:10] <ledjo> but I can make a ext3/4 partition with partition magic etc then wubi install xubuntu on that partition, can't I?
[03:10] <charlie-tca> wubi allows you to install/remove as a windows applications. It needs to be done as a standalone operating system instead of a windows application
[03:12] <ledjo> but I thought if I'd installed it on ext3/4 partition then it will eventually update to "stand alone" system afterwards
[03:13] <ledjo> or can I install it through lan?
[03:15] <ledjo> never mind I'll ask later, see ya
[03:29]  * charlie-tca sighs
[09:45] <test__> hi, newbie here needing help, anyone helping?
[09:53] <test__> ...anyone?
[09:53] <Sysi> ask a question and somebody maybe ansvers
[09:55] <test__> cannot login with my original account, after typing the username and password correctly comes a black screen for like a second (which looks like the logout one) and i'm back at the log screen, any suggestion?
[09:57] <gr8m8> test__: you said you can't do it with your original account - that means you can login with a different account?
[09:58] <test__> yep, went to terminal and created this one, but it's just circumventing it and doesn't really solve the problem, need access to my original one
[09:58] <Sysi> go into virtual console, Ctrl Alt F6 and log in there
[09:58] <Sysi> rm -rf ~/.ICEauthority
[09:58] <Sysi> then Ctrl Alt F7 or F8 and try logging in now
[10:09] <test_> @Sysi: cannot remove - permission denied
[10:09] <Sysi> you did that on your original account?
[10:11] <test_> yep, funnily i can login to my original account from terminal but no desktop
[10:14] <gr8m8> try in terminal   ps -C X
[10:18] <test_> on the orig. one?
[10:23] <test_> nothing significant, should that do anything?
[11:28] <ledjo> hi, need some hlp, since my laptop's cd-rom doesn't work and I'm running xp at the only 1 partition, I thought I'd format half of my hdd with ext3/4 file sys, then wubi install xubuntu on it and then afterwards format the first half of the partition with linux file sys as well and so kill the xp, would this work?
[11:30] <ledjo> I already tried ntloadin or how its called but I couldn't format partitions with it so it couldn't proceed with install...
[11:37] <ledjo> or should I format the partition for linux in xp and then do this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1519354   ??
[11:40] <t_s_o> how about booting from usb?
[11:49] <dirtycookie> hello people i have installed xubuntu with the version 11.04, my problem is that i have a older monitor that apparently doesn't send doesn't give the OS it's resolutions that it can make. how can i add in xubuntu additional resolutions?
[11:56] <ledjo> I dont have usb boot option in bios. rv
[11:57] <ledjo> everyth is frustrating. Im searching for wubi-move-2.0.sh.tar.gz everywhere and cant find it
[11:58] <ledjo> im gonna have to forget about linux sys on this laptop
[11:58] <ledjo> so sad
[11:59] <dirtycookie> hello people, i just have installed xubuntu 11.04 and my problem is that i have a little old 19" screen that doesn't tell the OS about it's screen resolutions that it can make. how can i add a screen resolution manually?
[12:00] <ledjo> settings manager > display
[12:01] <dirtycookie> ledjo: changing is not a problem but add one
[12:03] <ledjo> u want to add "resolution" ?
[12:03] <Sysi> what graphics card? CRT display?
[12:03] <dirtycookie> it is a flat screen and i have an nvidia ion board
[12:03] <dirtycookie> from zotac
[12:04] <Sysi> you should try installing propietary nvidia driver
[12:04] <ledjo> install additional drivers from nvidia
[12:04] <Sysi> system → additional drivers
[12:04] <ledjo> yes
[12:05] <ledjo> so what about wubi?
[12:06] <Sysi> you don't do partitioning in wubi afaik, it creates virtual disk image or something
[12:06] <Sysi> mount .iso and use wubi.exe
[12:06] <dirtycookie> ill try to change the values in my settings editor
[12:06] <dirtycookie> and ill have to restart 1 sec
[12:08] <ledjo> I know that but there are instructions how to move it from virtual to phisical partition afterwards, for that u need wubi-move-2.0.sh.tar.gz, which is nowhere to find for download..
[12:08] <ledjo> and that's why I'm depressed..
[12:13] <Sysi> it's attached to that forum post
[12:14] <Sysi> on the bottom of the message
[12:18] <dirtycookie> ok im back, i checked also xrandr and the maximum resolution that i can make with this screen 1024x768 (but it can do 1280x1024 under windows)
[12:18] <dirtycookie> who can i change it to 1280x1024
[12:19] <ledjo> thx sysi
[12:20] <dirtycookie> ??
[12:21] <ledjo> go to settings > settings manager > display
[12:21] <dirtycookie> ok..
[12:21] <dirtycookie> then?
[12:22] <dirtycookie> there is only 1024x768
[12:22] <dirtycookie> max
[12:23] <ledjo> and yours screen res is 1280x1024 and u installed nvida drivers?
[12:23] <dirtycookie> i did that with the additional drivers already
[12:24] <ledjo> r u sure that your monitor has 1280 res?
[12:25] <dirtycookie> this pc was working on windows xp and with this monitor that im talking about, operated @ the resolution 1280x1024
[12:25] <dirtycookie> im very sure about that
[12:26] <dirtycookie> i think xubuntu has somehow a default configuration when it cannot communicate with the screen in oder to ask for it's resolution
[12:28] <Sysi> dirtycookie: you installed the nvidia driver and rebooted?
[12:28] <Sysi> use the nvidia tool after that
[12:29] <dirtycookie> Sysi: if u mean "Activate the Driver" @ Additional drivers yes
[12:29] <Sysi> you selected nvidia-driver and rebooted?
[12:29] <dirtycookie> and @ the nvidia tool, i don't get the 1280x1024 resolution only @ the panning which is not what i want
[12:30] <ledjo> ok try installing windows drivers with ndiswrapper
[12:30] <dirtycookie> right after the installation i activated the driver and rebooted
[12:30] <Sysi> ledjo: that will never work
[12:30] <ledjo> worked for my wireless lan...
[12:30] <Sysi> nvidia tool should just work.. community is quite helpless with propietary stuff
[12:30] <Sysi> wlan isn't graphics
[12:31] <Sysi> dirtycookie: you propably need to add mode to your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:31] <dirtycookie> Sysi: hold on let me get you the contents of that file
[12:32] <dirtycookie> here http://pastebin.com/qbsm9brN
[12:32] <dirtycookie> that is all there is
[12:33] <Sysi> nvidia tool has option to export xorg.conf
[12:33] <Sysi> export, edit it and then copy
[12:34] <dirtycookie> you mean save to X configuration file/
[12:34] <dirtycookie> ?
[12:34] <Sysi> that
[12:35] <dirtycookie> here http://pastebin.com/UX0buf3S
[12:36] <Sysi> why is it configured as twinview?
[12:36] <dirtycookie> no idea
[12:37] <dirtycookie> the board has vga and dvi and my monitor is a vga
[12:37] <Sysi> but only one monitor connected?
[12:37] <dirtycookie> yes
[12:37] <dirtycookie> on the vga
[12:41] <ledjo> u want to tell us that it sees 2 monitors by default even if just one is attached ?
[12:42] <dirtycookie> yes
[12:43] <ledjo> and when u reinstall the nvidia drivers and restart?
[12:44] <dirtycookie> ill try that brb
[12:44] <ledjo> are there drivers u need on nvidia homepage?
[12:45] <Sysi> (please write "you")
[12:45] <ledjo> y?
[12:45] <ledjo> :)
[12:45] <Sysi> i think it's not drivers issue, but xorg
[12:45] <ledjo> pls write "I"
[12:45] <ledjo> :)
[12:45] <Sysi> and i'm not very good at it, but there should be many tutorials on internet
[12:45] <Sysi> *I'm
[12:48] <ledjo> I had problems with nvidia drivers on my desktop pc but when I reinstalled them with additional drivers option worked fine for  me
[12:50] <Sysi> I had problems with jockey-gtk bot then I switched to fedora
[13:00] <dirtycookie> ok i just uninstalled the prop. driver and now i have 2 options @ the additional drivers
[13:00] <dirtycookie> the prop. and the experimental
[13:01] <dirtycookie> which one should i reinstall again?
[13:02] <ledjo> well propper I guess#
[13:02] <dirtycookie> ok ill do propper
[13:02] <dirtycookie> will need to restart brb
[13:03] <ledjo> if that doesn't work uninstall and try experimental
[13:03] <Sysi> experimental is newer version of default driver
[13:03] <ledjo> then try experimental immediately
[13:04] <ledjo> so sysi back to my cdrom issue, I searched
[13:04] <ledjo> and found out that I need to take out cdrom and clean the pins with sand paper
[13:05] <ledjo> of which I'm a bit skeptical..
[13:05] <ledjo> does this sound right for you?
[13:11] <ledjo> I don't understand why when I try to install with unetbootin and come to formating step it doesn't recognizes anything in "device list" i. e. can't format hdd..
[13:13] <dirtycookie> im back
[13:14] <dirtycookie> still have the 1024x768 resolution
[13:14] <ledjo> even with esperimental drivers?
[13:14] <dirtycookie> that is now the prop
[13:15] <ledjo> now try experimental since they're newer, says sysi
[13:16] <ledjo> uninstall them all and install just experimental
[13:16] <ledjo> :)
[13:16] <dirtycookie> in my settings editor i have in the displays section 3 display types
[13:16] <dirtycookie> vga dvi and default
[13:16] <dirtycookie> where are these configurations stored?
[13:17] <ledjo> but I'd still install newest drivers before doing anything
[13:17] <ledjo> else
[13:17] <dirtycookie> what do u want me to do first
[13:17] <dirtycookie> exprimental?
[13:18] <Sysi> propietary driver should work the best, you just need to find out how to add modes to xorg.conf
[13:19] <Sysi> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=83973 se "Adding custom modeline"
[13:20] <ledjo> went off
[16:10] <profus2> hello
[16:12] <profus2> anybody here with experience in establishing connection to scanner in multifunction device?
[17:11] <XubuntuKris> I get this error when I try to eject my sd card by right clicking the icon "DBus error org.gtk.Private.RemoteVolumeMonitor.Failed: An operation is already pending"
[17:12] <XubuntuKris> The problem is, I haven't tried to write or do anything with the card.
[17:13] <XubuntuKris> It also says in a 'toast' message in the top right corner, "There is data that needs to be writen to the device before it can be removed. Please do not remove the media or disconnect the drive"
[17:13] <XubuntuKris> Again, I haven't told it to write anything to the drive.
[18:58] <FreeFull> How do I set shift+alt to act as a compose key? So far the only way I've found is to add the keyboard layouts switcher plugin to the panel, but the plugin uses too many resources
[21:33] <mytmouse> i'm having difficulty with recovering from suspending to disk. after a system resume, my screen's terribly garbled. any suggestions on how to start debugging?
[21:46] <charlie-tca> mytmouse: you can start with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspendHibernateResume for debugging it, if you want
[22:18] <mytmouse> charlie-tca: thanks
[23:51] <Wizard> hi


[18:55] <dunnbad>  can't seem to use the filter option with pidgin to sort room channels based on user count per room such as "/list RAW >20"


[11:56] <bazhang> fix server with skype *video*?
[11:57] <bazhang> I thought server had no gui
[11:57] <ikonia> maybe using a different machine ?
[12:00] <bazhang> he got an answer already; it's a bug affecting how external usb hdd's boot
[12:01] <ikonia> I don't have the history on it
[13:55] <hggdh> for the record, I have seen a LOT of places where they install X on a server (probably, based on my experience in these companies, because they are not really well versed on command-line)
[14:13] <k1l> i think its even more often, since ubuntu doesnt do server kernels etc specially for server images now.
[14:34] <Tubby> hi
[14:34] <Tubby> There is nothing to obtain
[14:35] <jbroome> based on what i've just seen in #defocus and #freenode I'm pretty sure your ban in #ubuntu isn't going to be lifted.  Anything else we can help you with?
[14:35] <Tubby> is ljl here?
[14:35] <Tubby> were homies
[14:35] <Tubby> Repent!
[14:35] <k1l> nope, he is in landan.
[14:35] <Tubby> !ops
[14:36] <k1l> so come back in, lets say, 5 years?
[14:36] <Tubby> fuck i am still filtered
[14:36] <Pricey> Damnit, still ignored.
[19:06] <Pici> IdleOne: what are you doing?
[19:07] <IdleOne> added rww and phunyguy to the appropriate ACL's
[19:07] <Myrtti> and why the kicks then?
[19:08] <Myrtti> or removes
[19:08] <IdleOne> I made a booboo and gave rww +V, then I did it again to phunyguy.
[19:08] <Pici> okay?
[19:08] <IdleOne> so I kicked them because I was punishing myself
[19:08] <IdleOne> it is complicated to explain, I'll gladly sit down with you some day and tell you all about my childhood
[19:09] <Pici> uhh
[19:09] <IdleOne> lol
[19:10]  * genii slides IdleOne a fresh coffee, extra caffeinated
[20:26] <rww> i didn't need that scrollback anyway
[20:26] <Pici> I tried to invite you
[20:26] <rww> wouldn't work, I don't auto-anything
[20:26] <Pici> I figured, it was worth a try though.
[20:37] <rww> IdleOne: also +AViotv in the monitor channel and +AOiotv in -unregged, plox :)
[23:09] <k1l_> #ubuntu-beginners-dev is invite only?
[23:22] <k1l_> ah, its deprecated. so that explains it


[15:28] <Scary_Guy> Just upgraded to 24.04.  Not a whole lot broke this time!
[15:29] <greg-g> good deal
[15:29] <greg-g> also, ahoy hoy all
[15:30] <greg-g> I'm not sure when it happened (I have join/parts turned off) but I now notice that cmaloney is no longer in channel :(
[15:31] <jrwren> is 24.04 officially out?
[15:37] <Scary_Guy> Seems to be
[15:37] <Scary_Guy> Also, :(
[15:39] <greg-g> yeah, yesterday I think (24.04)
[16:05] <jrwren> https://ubuntu.com/blog/ubuntu-desktop-24-04-noble-numbat-deep-dive
[16:05] <jrwren> oh cool.
[16:06] <jrwren> 12:00 apr 9th: 12:00  cmaloney  [~snap-l@peppercarrot/maintainer/cmaloney] has quit from #ubuntu-us-mi [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]
[16:07] <jrwren> RIP
[16:08] <jrwren> the YT video is making me laugh. so silly.
[16:09] <jrwren> oh! this is the 20yr anniversary release. I didn't even think of that.
[16:37] <greg-g> oh man, we're old
[16:44] <greg-g> when warty warthog came out I was living on the 3rd floor of a old ass rental house in south minneapolis with 3 roommates.
[17:12] <greg-g> btw, I only saw the news of the 24.04 release because I follow https://mastodon.social/@sylvia_ritter/112336284482355255
[18:30] <jrwren> https://news.itsfoss.com/ubuntu-24-04-disappointment/
[18:30] <jrwren> sad and true
[18:30] <jrwren> honestly, I believe ubuntu is ripe for disruption as enterprise king.
[21:46] <greg-g> yup