[02:00] <lfaraone> Hmmm, my posts at https://luke.faraone.cc/tag/ubuntu-planet/feed/ don't seem to be appearing in http://planet.ubuntu.com/. Anybody have access to the planetplanet logs on that system?
[08:00] <dholbach> good morning
[10:17] <Laney> morning!
[10:17] <Laney> dholbach: been away? :-)
[11:26] <dholbach> Laney, yep, took my remaining holidays :)
[11:27] <Laney> very nice
[12:40] <l3on> broder, Hi :)... what do you mean in bug 904179 ?
[12:46] <geser> l3on: you subscribed the sponsors team before you attached your debdiff
[12:46] <l3on> mah... I see debdiff before broder message :/
[12:46] <geser> check the comments numbers
[12:46] <geser> it irritated me also
[12:47] <geser> did the comment sorting change or was is it in that order (desc) for some time now?
[12:49] <l3on> mmm... I sent comment and attachements by mail.. I don't know what happened...
[12:50] <l3on> Comment written #2 at 12:32
[12:50] <l3on> bahbah
[12:50] <l3on> Ok, I'm going to add sponsors again
[12:52] <geser> perhaps mail processing took time, I'll ask in #launchpad about it
[12:53] <l3on> thank you.
[12:54] <geser> did you subscribe the sponsors team also per mail? (the first time)
[12:57] <l3on> geser, no, by mail
[12:57] <l3on> sorry... by web
[13:33] <geser> l3on: the comments are sorted by date (received headers from mail are trusted) while the comment number shows the order in which they got received
[13:34] <geser> next time upload either the attachments through the web ui too or subscribe the sponsors team in your mail too (or check that the attachments arrived before subscribing)
[13:35] <l3on> how can I subsribe via mail ?
[13:35] <l3on> geser, do you know where are commands to send via mail ?
[13:35] <l3on> (I mean, some howto somewhere)
[13:36] <geser> l3on: https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/EmailInterface
[13:36] <l3on> great, thanks! :)
[14:00] <zul> RAOF: ping
[14:58] <l3on> do you think that package 'setpwc' should be synced now ?
[14:58] <l3on> Debian maintainer has applied ubuntu changes, but nothing else... question is: in this case we sync package or we wait for some other changes ?
[15:00]  * Zhenech_ says "sync" with his debian hat on
[15:05] <Laney> might as well, as you've looked at it now
[15:50] <bullgard4> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GVFS: "References: # ^ gvfs-mount, man page". Why does Ubuntu 11.10 not provide a gfvs-mount manpage?


[10:39] <juliux> @schedule
[10:39] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 07 Feb 12:00: Edubuntu | 08 Feb 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 10 Feb 21:00: Ubuntu Canada | 11 Feb 22:00: LoCo Teams | 12 Feb 20:00: Screencast Team | 13 Feb 16:00: Forum Council
[01:01] <jsgotangco> go! go! go!
[01:01] <pips1> :)
[01:01] <RichEd> hey ho hi there everyone
[01:01] <pips1> who is here?
[01:01] <RichEd> ogra_: you here Mr Technical ?
[01:02] <RichEd> let me go look for ogra quicky
[01:03] <juliux> hi all
[01:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'm observing again :)
[01:03] <willvdl> I am here but on a conference call at the mo
[01:04] <Hobbsee> heya pips1
[01:04] <jsgotangco> hi
[01:05] <RichEd> we'll give ogra_ a minute or two more ... grabbing a wettie (sa slang for a drink) back in a sec
[01:05] <RichEd> hi Hobbsee
[01:05] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: true.  until i get pinged.
[01:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> i know :)
[01:05] <Hobbsee> RichEd: you survived LCA then :)
[01:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> (on the subject of lca, i typed my notes out today. bit scrappy, but if you want the miniconf ones i can email them to you RichEd )
[01:06] <ogra_> hey
[01:06] <ogra_> sorry, i'm late
[01:06] <Hobbsee> heya ogra_
[01:07] <RichEd> Kamping_Kaiser: that would be good :)
[01:07] <RichEd> Hobbsee: yep. survived the conferenc, got slammed by jet lag and a bug on the way back
[01:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> RichEd, can do then
[01:07] <ogra_> so
[01:07] <RichEd> okay, ogra ... technical ?
[01:07] <Hobbsee> RichEd: ouch
[01:08] <ogra> well, some good and some not so good news
[01:08] <pips1> give us the good news first :)
[01:08] <ogra> libpam_mount has a good bunch of problems, as well as i didnt find a proper method to replace the files in /etc/pam.d ...
[01:09] <ogra> wihich is a bad thing foe edubuntu auth server and client
[01:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> RichEd, sent
[01:09] <RichEd> Kamping_Kaiser: tx mate
[01:09] <ogra> i think i'll defer these two to feisty+1 since i think the implementation needs far more testing than i could give it tis cycle
[01:10] <ogra> that will block fat clients as well ...
[01:10] <pips1> ouch
[01:10] <ogra> well, i dont want to go with a half baked solution
[01:10] <RichEd> pity ...
[01:10] <pips1> right..
[01:11] <RichEd> agreed ... stability is essential ... else we fall into the rest of the grey muddle
[01:11] <ogra> well, it's not only stability, but also finding more proper ways to implement it
[01:12] <ogra> ltsp-sound: is done so far, tw packages waiting in the mai inclusion queue for review but thats it, its implemented ...
[01:12] <ogra> thin-client-manager: (student-control-panel) is uploaded since yesterday, still pretty buggy but getting there
[01:12] <cbx33> sorry guys
[01:12] <pips1> \o/
[01:12] <ogra> we al owe cbx33 a beer
[01:13] <cbx33> heh
[01:13] <ogra> for his awesome work
[01:13] <cbx33> ogra: have you heard of TCOS?
[01:13] <Fujitsu> I must say, TCM looks absolutely great!
[01:13] <cbx33> it will work great soon too :p
[01:13] <cbx33> jus a few bugs to iron out
[01:14] <ogra> edubuntu-on-2-cds: ready for testing .... if you run a decent feisty with up to date gnome-app-install and update-manager packages, it should work like specced
[01:14] <ogra> please test
[01:14] <ogra> ltsp-manager: im still working on that one and hope i have uploaded a gui till tomorrow
[01:14] <ogra> the backend part is done though
[01:15] <ogra> which brings us a great set of modules for all kinds on ltsp admin work
[01:15] <cbx33> nice
[01:15] <ogra> (clicking together a web gui with python-ltsp will be a charm ;) )
[01:15] <cbx33> ogra: seems like someone else is working on a TCM-esque tool
[01:15] <cbx33> http://soleup.eup.uva.es/trac/wiki/TcosMonitor#Capturas
[01:15] <cbx33> looks pretty feature rich actually
[01:15] <ogra> yes, i know that
[01:16] <ogra> i think tcm is on par with it, dont you ?
[01:16] <cbx33> ahh...I'd never heard of it
[01:16] <cbx33> yes
[01:16] <cbx33> the guys as TCOS commented on my blog post
[01:16] <cbx33> s/as/at
[01:16] <ogra> you should write some documentation how to write plugins for it after release :)
[01:17] <cbx33> i will
[01:17] <ogra> so we can get some external contributions
[01:17] <cbx33> nice
[01:18] <ogra> so i think thats about it with y specs .... i'm really sorry about the auth server stuff, and i already thought about only having ldap auth with no homedir mounting ... but that doesnt seem the right thing
[01:18] <cbx33> ogra: we have a fair amount of new stuff
[01:18] <cbx33> ;)
[01:18] <ogra> so i'll put my focus on it next release and take less new specs
[01:18] <cbx33> Jordan and I were looking at packages last night for the second cd
[01:18] <ogra> cbx33, yes, but its a *hype* feature
[01:19] <ogra> its the most users requested feature we have ...
[01:19] <pips1> yep
[01:19] <cbx33> Jordan wanted me to ask you....are we tied by the deadline of FF for MIR's on the second CD
[01:19] <ogra> eve though i found the 2cd spec far more important i agree that we need something in that area
[01:19] <cbx33> as someone said to him that it was largely up to you
[01:20] <ogra> my plan is to have at least the essential bits in main and on the CD
[01:20] <ogra> so people dont need to download the bits and pieces to set it up
[01:20] <cbx33> cool
[01:20] <ogra> i have three main inclusion reports pending for it ... lets see what pitti says :)
[01:20] <pips1> ogra: what is blocking the auth?
[01:21] <cbx33> ogra: did you see my question from Jordan?
[01:21] <ogra> pips1, the fact that i'd have to fiddle with /etc/pam.d/* files
[01:21] <ogra> and a bug n libpam-mount
[01:22] <pips1> right
[01:22] <ogra> pips1, imho the pam.d structure needs an overthought before we start doing stuff like replacing login methods in there
[01:23] <ogra> it's not pluggable at all, you have to modify textfiles line by line ... i'd like to address a mechanism to properly change these files through just dropping files in place without the need to modify existing ones
[01:24] <ogra> but time was to short and this wasnt specced
[01:24] <ogra> (it's underlying architecture we didnt take into account during the speccing sessions)
[01:25] <ogra> since the fat-client bit is doe but cant be included, i'll chop it down a bit and we can at least ship a kiosk module
[01:25] <ogra> s/doe/done/
[01:26] <ogra> pips1, its responsible for mounting the users homedir at login
[01:26] <cbx33> yeh that stuff is tricky
[01:26] <ogra> we dont gain anything without it apart from a more complicated user administration
[01:26] <ogra> just ldap doesnt really help ...
[01:26] <ogra> you need the combo of the different pieces and the integration
[01:27] <ogra> there are pleant of howtos to set up ldap auth with pam-mount, so having the pieces needed for it on the CD shoud be a first step
[01:28] <ogra> *plenty
[01:29] <RichEd> we can also have a wiki page with the how-to info linked or embedded
[01:29] <ogra> right
[01:29] <RichEd> recipes for idjits
[01:29] <RichEd> (my sort of level ;)
[01:29] <pips1> so you are suggesting to re-package libpam-mount ... for debian?
[01:29] <ogra> well, its not easy ...
[01:29] <ogra> you need some small skills ....
[01:30] <cbx33> small skills
[01:30] <cbx33> hehe
[01:30] <ogra> editing the right textfiles and working on the commandline and with apt there ...
[01:30] <ogra> but if you have these and just follow a good guide it shoud work ...
[01:30] <RichEd> that's why I said recipes ... people can follow step-by-step instructions withought understanding the theory
[01:31] <RichEd> *without
[01:31] <ogra> right
[01:31] <pips1> would it be possible to configure auth manually on a feisty ... while keeping an upgrade path to feisty+1 intact?
[01:31] <ogra> it should, yes ... i need to talk with moquist about it ...
[01:32] <pips1> ok
[01:32] <ogra> anyway, please test the serveraddon iso ...
[01:32] <ogra> thats the most important spec we have so it deserves plenty of testing
[01:33] <pips1> gotcha :)
[01:33] <ogra> sound tests on thin clients are appreciated as well btw
[01:33] <ogra> is rodarvus here ?
[01:33] <pips1> so the serveraddon iso is now built with every 'Herd' release?
[01:33] <ogra> yes
[01:34] <ogra> and with every daily
[01:34] <pips1> what is currently on the second cd?
[01:34] <ogra> currently only tuxtype is on it :P
[01:34] <pips1> ah
[01:34] <ogra> i'll chnage the seeds before the weekend
[01:34] <ogra> so there should be more apps then
[01:34] <cbx33> ogra: Jordan and I worked on that last night
[01:34] <cbx33> did you see my question above?
[01:34] <ogra> right, you said that
[01:34] <pips1> cbx33: what is the status?
[01:34] <cbx33> well Jordan has 7 apps earmarked
[01:35] <cbx33> with a total of 15 MIRs
[01:35] <ogra> cbx33, i think we can add software later as well, but not add features to it ...
[01:35] <pips1> he did the 15 MIRs himself? already?
[01:35] <cbx33> no not yet
[01:35] <ogra> somewhere n the wiki is a detailed definition of the freeze states i thin
[01:35] <cbx33> but I wrote a script to make it easy
[01:35] <cbx33> ogra: that would be useful
[01:37] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureFreeze hmm
[01:37] <ogra> edubuntu on 2 cds is a low prio goal ...
[01:38] <pips1> doesn't look good
[01:38] <cbx33> no
[01:38] <ogra> we have some stuff in main we can add though
[01:39] <pips1> "we ship a add-on cd with ... with ... 3 apps on it!" =8-o
[01:39] <cbx33> one pacakge that won;t be getting in anytime soon
[01:39] <cbx33> celestia :p
[01:39] <ogra> pips1, nope
[01:39] <jsgotangco> 2CDs?
[01:39] <ogra> we'll ship an add-on CD with 3 apps and 90 langpacks :P
[01:39] <pips1> hehe
[01:39] <ogra> notMax, i really think we'll have a lot more on it
[01:40] <pips1> that will make the south american ppl happy :)
[01:40] <ogra> sorry notMax ... autocompletion
[01:40] <ogra> right
[01:40] <ogra> and others as well
[01:40] <pips1> sure
[01:40] <ogra> i think xcfe can go in it as well
[01:40] <ogra> so highvoltage gets a chance to realise his edubuntu-xfce spec one day ;)
[01:41] <pips1> what's the status of edubuntu-menus-completion ?
[01:41] <ogra> dunno
[01:41] <pips1> on LP, it says pending approval
[01:41] <RichEd> ogra: that's good news ... the buy from NorhTec ... low spec appliances is pushing hard for us to work on education projects
[01:41] <ogra> i havent seen jordan for quite some time
[01:41] <RichEd> s/buy/guy
[01:42] <cbx33> we were working last night
[01:42] <cbx33> he's been pretty busy
[01:42] <RichEd> ( laser has been in edubuntu )
[01:42] <ogra> i know i see him in my backlog ....
[01:42] <ogra> but not at times where i was in there ...
[01:42] <pips1> hmm
[01:42] <ogra> but the spec isnt approved ...
[01:43] <pips1> feisty+1 then..
[01:43] <ogra> Keybuk is listed as approver
[01:44] <pips1> so when is the feature freeze date?
[01:45] <ogra> ok, if there is no moodle update from rodarvus i think tech is done
[01:45] <RichEd> pips1: tamarra : 8 feeb'
[01:45] <ogra> pips1, tomorrow
[01:45] <pips1> rodarvus: ?
[01:45] <RichEd> rodarvus appears to be here, but is not reponding :( ping
[01:45] <willvdl> I'm back
[01:45] <RichEd> hey willvdl
[01:46] <RichEd> just a quick highlight for you from a few mins ago:
 i think xcfe can go in it as well
 so highvoltage gets a chance to realise his edubuntu-xfce spec one day ;)
[01:46] <cbx33> heheh
[01:46] <willvdl> woot.
[01:46] <willvdl> ogra, 90 language packs?
[01:46] <RichEd> I said this was good news re Mike Barnes and his ubuntu on edu appliciances.
[01:46] <willvdl> that's going to take some work
[01:46] <RichEd> *appliances
[01:47] <willvdl> RichEd, true.
[01:47] <ogra> RichEd, that wont get us official support for xfce from canonical though
[01:47] <cbx33> is moodle likeley?
[01:47] <pips1> RichEd: expand ?
[01:47] <ogra> cbx33, i havent seen anything yet, according to rodrigo it is ...
[01:47] <willvdl> ogra, are language packs maintained acording to relevant package? or is there someone overseeing it in general?
[01:47] <ogra> willvdl, pitti and carlos
[01:47] <RichEd> a thai company under US management produces low spec machines, targetting africa and developing countries
[01:48] <willvdl> ogra cool. I know some of the african langs are a bit behind and just need to be repackaged
[01:48] <ogra> willvdl, carlos for the rosetta side, pitti for distro
[01:48] <RichEd> they are low cost, and importantly low power devices ... suitable for non-airconditioned batter environments
[01:48] <RichEd> battery / alternate power
[01:48] <RichEd> they are using ubuntu with xfce to reduce spec requirements
[01:49] <willvdl> ah, I didn't know he was using xfce
[01:49] <RichEd> they are pushing aggressively into S America and Africa, and are wanting to meet us to work together
[01:49] <pips1> nice one
[01:50] <pips1> ... more testers for edubuntu .. hopefully :)
[01:50] <ogra> yeah
[01:50] <willvdl> as long as the testers feedback to community
[01:50] <ogra> ok, i'm done with tech next ?
[01:50] <cbx33> what's next?
[01:52] <RichEd> tech documentation
[01:52] <willvdl> Cool. Handbook needs contributions! There are a few indipendant efforts, I'm just trying to merge them
[01:52] <cjwatson> ogra: FWIW I think the important bit of edubuntu-on-two-cds to get in before feature freeze was the infrastructure; obviously the earlier the better for the rest of it but I don't think FF is really a hard deadline there
[01:53] <cbx33> nice cjwatson
[01:53] <ogra> cjwatson, its about the MIRs
[01:54] <ogra> we dont have MIRs for all apps yet ...
[01:54] <cbx33> jordan is working on them
[01:54] <cbx33> I would have helped but i have the book deadline tomorrow
[01:54] <cbx33> so i wrtoe the script to help him out
[01:56] <pips1> ogra: do language packs for edubuntu-desktop exist, in Main, yet?
[01:56] <ogra> pips1, define "language packs for edubuntu-desktop" ?
[01:56] <ogra> what would make them special ?
[01:57] <pips1> nothing, I suppose
[01:57] <ogra> right
[01:57] <willvdl> stelis has written some stuff and is going to merge into doc-team SVN
[01:57] <pips1> language packs are handled differently in the distro process though, right?
[01:57] <ogra> the language-support packages have translations for all apps in main ....
[01:57] <pips1> right
[01:57] <ogra> right, their creation is handled differently
[01:58] <willvdl> does anyone know if sbalneav has written any LTSP stuff?
[01:58] <cbx33> there's a lot of LTSP stuff
[01:58] <cbx33> i saw the other day
[01:58] <ogra> willvdl, most of it
[01:58] <pips1> good question
[01:58] <willvdl> urk, I must of botched my svn update
[01:58] <pips1> hurray
[01:58] <ogra> at least in the edubuntu book
[01:59] <willvdl> handbook?
[01:59] <ogra> yeah
[01:59] <willvdl> ok, I definately botched my update
[01:59] <ogra> the ltsp section was written by him
[01:59] <willvdl> sweet. stelis is writing an install guide
[01:59] <willvdl> we jsut have to merge his efforts
[01:59] <ogra> for edubuntu ?
[02:00] <willvdl> yip
[02:00] <ogra> for which installer does he write it ?
[02:00] <ogra> the text one i hope ....
[02:00] <willvdl> well, it's background stuff at the mo but for feisty I hope
[02:01] <ogra> for ubiquity the instal guide is: pop in livecd, doubleclick "install now", answer the questions, reboot :P
[02:01] <willvdl> yeah but some screenshots and default info would be nice :)
[02:01] <willvdl> plus theres stand-alone vs ltsp install
[02:01] <cjwatson> there is already an installation guide. I would much prefer any guide for the text installer to be merged into that
[02:01] <cjwatson> see help.ubuntu.com and the installation-guide source package
[02:02] <ogra> as long as we ship the server cd i'm more intrested in d-i howtos :)
[02:02] <willvdl> cjwatson, is it not in the doc-team repo?
[02:02] <cjwatson> willvdl: no, it comes from Debian
[02:02] <ogra> willvdl, nope
[02:02] <willvdl> hmmm, we need to make it _very_ accessable to new users
[02:02] <cjwatson> it's important for me to be able to keep it reasonably in sync with Debian
[02:02] <willvdl> I didn't even know about it
[02:04] <willvdl> do we have one for ltsp install?
[02:05] <cjwatson> not yet, but it could be added as a section
[02:05] <cjwatson> the stuff I think it's important not to reinvent is all the automatic installation bits
[02:06] <cjwatson> those change from release to release
[02:06] <cjwatson> I don't much care if there's a separate easy install guide that doesn't refer to that at all :)
[02:06] <willvdl> agreed. I'm more concerned about having it boldly linked from somewhere obvious
[02:06] <cjwatson> but I don't want to have to maintain preseeding documentation in multiple places (and it's the installer team that will always end up maintaining preseeding docs, in practice)
[02:10] <willvdl> ok, I'll look into it
[02:10] <willvdl> can someone link me to the install guide? I can't seem to find it
[02:10] <ogra> willvdl, the ltsp install from d-i is only one menu item ...
[02:10] <ogra> you select it and watch a progress bar
[02:11] <ogra> (or use edubuntu and its selected for you)
[02:11] <willvdl> ogra, it may be simple but I believe there's great value in referencing it somewhere
[02:11] <willvdl> for example, install guides seldom include partioning guidelines
[02:12] <pips1> what about the documentation for TCM ?
[02:12] <ogra> right ...
[02:13] <ogra> pips1, in the works afaik
[02:13] <pips1> will that live on the wiki only for feisty?
[02:13] <pips1> cbx33: ?
[02:14] <pips1> ogra, does ltsp-management-gui need doc?
[02:14] <ogra> pips1, it will ship what it needs
[02:15] <ogra> app docs are usually in the package
[02:15] <pips1> i.e. a 'Help' button that triggers yelp with the according help text..
[02:16] <pips1> ?
[02:16] <ogra> well, as apps do that, yes
[02:16] <willvdl> pips1, integrate help is a coming spec
[02:16] <willvdl> "more" integrated rather
[02:16] <pips1> ic
[02:18] <willvdl> shall we move on?
[02:19] <ogra> sure
[02:19] <ogra> whats next ?
[02:19] <RichEd> willvdl: anything more, or can we move on to artwork
[02:19] <cbx33> artwrok
[02:19] <cbx33> right
[02:19] <ogra> is kwwii here ?
[02:19] <willvdl> well, from my side it looks like I've got some exploring to do
[02:19] <cbx33> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuArtwork/Palette
[02:20] <ogra> http://sinecera.de/edubuntu.png i got that one recently
[02:20] <cjwatson> willvdl: it's linked from the front page of help.ubuntu.com.
[02:20] <cbx33> yp kwwii did that
[02:20] <ogra> yep
[02:21] <cbx33> lisa's done some concept characters
[02:21] <ogra> looks great imho .... even i dont like that glossy style we shouldnt step to far away from ubuntu
[02:21] <cbx33> and will be making one more with the three characters as at graduation
[02:21] <ogra> so its about time to adopt it
[02:22] <willvdl> cjwatson, I'm aware of that link. Can I chat to you afterwards?
[02:22] <cjwatson> sure
[02:22] <ogra> cbx33, so do you work closely with kwwii ?
[02:23] <cbx33> ogra: kwwii wants us to come up with some designs that he'll help us refine
[02:24] <ogra> ok
[02:24] <pips1> that sounds like a good way to collaborate
[02:24] <cbx33> yup
[02:24] <cbx33> when i say us
[02:24] <cbx33> i relly mean lisa
[02:24] <cbx33> she's doing all the work
[02:25] <ogra> its very important that he's in the loop
[02:25] <cbx33> yes
[02:25] <cbx33> he is
[02:25] <cbx33> we keep meeting
[02:25] <ogra> good
[02:25] <RichEd> agreed. early appoval or awareness will short-cut any crunch deadline issues
[02:29] <RichEd> ping ? has the conversation gone dead ... or me ?
[02:29] <ogra> are we done with artwork ?
[02:29] <cbx33> thinkso
[02:29] <willvdl> looks like it
[02:30] <ogra> willvdl, pips1 ? and news from the web front ?
[02:30] <RichEd> okay ... other documentation ... community docs ...
[02:30] <willvdl> yip
[02:30] <RichEd> I'll update:
[02:30] <cbx33> the edubuntu chater in the book looks good
[02:30] <cbx33> ogra updated it
[02:30] <cbx33> and made usre I hadn't made ny big mistakes
[02:30] <willvdl> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu/Wiki/SiteMap is coming along
[02:31] <willvdl> it is an overview of what I'm putting in the wiki
[02:31] <willvdl> WIP, still adding bits on how to contribute
[02:31] <willvdl> remeber that page is just a site map, not a landing page
[02:31] <RichEd> let me add my 2c here ... as it will have some impact
[02:32] <RichEd> newz2000 (matt nuzum) is doing a revamp of ubuntu.com and is moving it to Drupal
[02:32] <ogra> does it have any impact on us ?
[02:32] <willvdl> yip. spoken to him at length
[02:32] <ogra> we're using drupl since the beginning
[02:32] <RichEd> he is going to create sub-areas for "portal like information" with www.ubuntu.com/education being one of the first areas he will look at with us
[02:32] <willvdl> static info goes in web. dynamic info moving to wiki
[02:32] <ogra> and our server is separate, isnt it ?
[02:33] <pips1> ogra: yes
[02:33] <ogra> ah, so *we will have impact one the ubuntu page* now :)
[02:33] <pips1> :)
[02:33] <willvdl> what will be in that portal?
[02:33] <RichEd> well what it means that we'll have an "ubuntu and education" area on ubuntu.com
[02:33] <RichEd> as well as our edubuntu.org which we will continue to look after
[02:33] <RichEd> and also the wiki
[02:34] <willvdl> the wiki's at least are the same thing
[02:34] <RichEd> so matt will look at the education solution space, and edubuntu and ubuntu and kubuntu will all have a spot in the education picture
[02:34] <ogra> which doesnt make it easier
[02:35] <willvdl> ogra, I imagine it will jsut be general overview stuff
[02:35] <willvdl> the meat must stay in the wiki
[02:35] <RichEd> it will be aimed at decision makers coming into ubuntu from the top down, and wanting to explore education solutions
[02:35] <RichEd> so, yes, it will be overview info, and will link to our own pages where there is any real meat required
[02:36] <RichEd> but it will give an education department (for example) the idea that they can use ubuntu servers in the datacenter / server farm and edubuntu in the classroom ...
[02:36] <RichEd> and get support for both from canonical ... as well as the community
[02:37] <RichEd> the main impact it will have is that the community area that pips1 and I have been planning will now be more clearly defined.
[02:37] <willvdl> how so?
[02:37] <RichEd> we'll keep the user space for fringe stuff that does not fit in any official resource areas.
[02:38] <RichEd> so the consideration will be by default for any information we want to add: "does this fit into an approved ubuntu or edubuntu space" ...
[02:39] <RichEd> and only exception information or discussion etc. will be in the ubuntu-education area
[02:39] <RichEd> I'll be putting up a wiki page to work out what goes where.
[02:40] <RichEd> So if kids are joining up to post news about their school, we do not want them to create a launchpad account before they are able to post a news item or comments on user issues.
[02:41] <RichEd> But by the same token we do not want people posting news etc. to areas where it looks as if they are speaking on behalf of our community.
[02:41] <RichEd> So we'll have the fringe space as a place to catch info, and revise it for quality, and then move it to an official space when it is cleared.
[02:42] <willvdl> same with the forums?
[02:42] <pips1> I think of the community space of "where all the action takes place" and the ubuntu.com website as "official top-down, settled info", while the wiki is somewhat an intermediary place for people that want to contirubute to edubuntu more extensively (i.e. documentation, packaging, bug fixing, rather than "just" discussing).
[02:43] <RichEd> yep. if someone wants to create a forum topic for swopping cool pictures created by 8 year olds using tux-paint ... then that stays in the user communtiy space.
[02:44] <RichEd> similarly, for people to discuss *any* application they are using, regardless of compliance to our policies, they can create a thread.
[02:44] <pips1> willvdl: ubuntuforums is focussed on *buntu foremost, and slanted towards helping to use/configure the OS and Apps in *buntu...
[02:45] <RichEd> if lots of users comment on the application, then we will review it (using the users to do user level reviews) and then move it "across the border" into our official space if we want to serioudly consider it for universe or main
[02:46] <RichEd> at LCA, everyone was very keen to have a space where kids and teachers can review an application, for age level, usability, curriculum fit etc.
[02:46] <RichEd> and as the cream floats to the top, we'll tackle the good bits
[02:47] <pips1> in the education community space, the focus should be on education.. not only apps, but also content.. even references to content available elsewhere on the web...
[02:47] <ogra> well, depends on your POV
[02:47] <RichEd> same thing for resources ... if we see that there are useful helpful people in the community space, we'll encourage them into our core community to help them skill up via the path of documentation contributor etc. to add bandwidth
[02:47] <ogra> for me from a tech side the focus *is* on apps :)
[02:49] <RichEd> agreed ogra. but people also want to swop content links, school-projects etc.
[02:49] <ogra> indeed
[02:49] <ogra> i just wanted to poit that we have to cover both :)
[02:49] <ogra> *point
[02:49] <RichEd> so we'll keep that away from our core space, but provide an umbrella where people can swop that info, and feel that ubuntu / edubuntu is a cool community to help them find a home
[02:50] <RichEd> so we'll even encourage skolelinix and debian-edu and k12ltsp people to share in the education conversations
[02:50] <RichEd> and hope that they will "all see the light" and have a religious revalation at some point
[02:50] <RichEd> *revelation
[02:50] <ogra> heh
[02:51] <pips1> maybe think of the online education space as "additional services, from the (greater edu + foss) community, for the (more specific edu+buntu) community"
[02:51] <willvdl> and fall of their horses?
[02:51] <RichEd> the idea is that we use *as little of our resource bandwdith as possible* and it must be driven "by the users for the users" etc.
[02:52] <RichEd> we can look at the wiki page I'll have up next week and discuss
[02:53] <RichEd> willvdl: any more doc / web stuff ? we've got 8 mins left
[02:53] <willvdl> not from me. just that:
[02:53] <willvdl> keep looking at https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu/Cleanup to see what we can fix
[02:53] <pips1> well, that is putting it negatively... I think of it as: offer a platform for community exchange.
[02:54] <RichEd> I was hoping to be able to officially announce our Ubuntu Education Summit, and release the web page I have ready to go ... but the powers that be want to announce the Ubuntu Developer Summit in one jpint release.
[02:54] <RichEd> *joint
[02:55] <RichEd> So. I'll just be able to give the overview for today.
[02:55] <pips1> Also, i want to add, that the new community site will only fly if we get quality contributions from the exisiting edubuntu core ppl and hopefully some early and good input from other communities (guada, etc)
[02:55] <ogra> well, its on the public wiki :)
[02:55] <RichEd> ogra yes, but clan sayes silbs wants to let the balloons go herself :)
[02:56] <ogra> oki :)
[02:56] <ogra> she gets all the fun :P
[02:56] <RichEd> We have had approval for a 2 day education summit, which will be in the first week off May in Seville, Spain.
[02:56] <RichEd> *of
[02:56] <RichEd> Thursday & Friday.
[02:57] <RichEd> The summit will mainly be aimed at Educators and Decision Makers ...
[02:57] <RichEd> With presentations on success stories in FOSS in education ...
[02:57] <RichEd> And discussions around training & support etc ...
[02:58] <RichEd> The idea is to provide a high confidence level to people contemplating the awful future that Vista promises for them ... in terms of licencing, costs, and the migration issues.
[02:58] <RichEd> And to show them that Edubuntu is a viable alternative, mature enough to do the job.
[02:59] <pips1> Seville, looking forward to it ! :)
[02:59] <RichEd> We will have some technical discussions, but these will mainly be with tools & 3rd party developers arond relationships and integration.
[03:00] <RichEd> We'll have some discussions around "feature requests" and "future direction" but the meat of the feature work will take place at UDS as already established.
[03:00] <RichEd> UDS follows 2 days after our summit.
[03:00] <RichEd> time is done as well
[03:01] <RichEd> any more issues from anyone ?
[03:01] <willvdl> nope
[03:01] <pips1> UDS will be where?
[03:01] <RichEd> going once ...
[03:02] <willvdl> see y'all, I've got to make some desperate phone calls before close of day
[03:02] <pips1> cu
[03:02] <RichEd> same place ... follow on event
[03:02] <pips1> ic
[03:02] <RichEd> going twice ...
[03:02] <RichEd> thanks all ... that's a wrap
[03:02] <ogra> yay
[03:03] <pips1> thanks
[03:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[09:39] <Lure> @schedule ljubljana
[09:39] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Ljubljana: 08 Feb 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 10 Feb 22:00: Ubuntu Canada | 11 Feb 23:00: LoCo Teams | 12 Feb 21:00: Screencast Team | 13 Feb 17:00: Forum Council | 13 Feb 21:00: Technical Board
[09:58] <lfittl> @schedule Vienna
[09:58] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Vienna: 08 Feb 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 10 Feb 22:00: Ubuntu Canada | 11 Feb 23:00: LoCo Teams | 12 Feb 21:00: Screencast Team | 13 Feb 17:00: Forum Council | 13 Feb 21:00: Technical Board


[15:00] <sil2100> o/
[15:01] <ddstreet> o/
[15:01] <rbasak> o/
[15:04] <teward> o/ (Time split with an IT Security matter @ work, so not 100% here)
[15:06] <teward> i don't see Simon here
[15:06] <teward> so someone else might need to chair.  (Can't be me as i'm splitting time/attention by work duties)
[15:07] <ddstreet> next in the charing list is slashd but he doesn't appear around either
[15:08] <teward> *sigh* fine I"ll give this a try... gonna need to brush up on meetingology commands though
[15:08] <ddstreet> teward i'm earlier than you in the charing list, so i can chair if you prefer
[15:08] <teward> yeah please do
[15:08] <teward> i need to make notes on meetingology again 'cause I haven't used it in a while :p
[15:08] <ddstreet> ack, i'll give it a try, may be slow on the cmds
[15:09] <slashd> o/ guys can someonelse chair today for me ? I'll be here but on and off
[15:09] <teward> same :P
[15:09] <slashd> sorry about that
[15:09] <ddstreet> #startmeeting
[15:09] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Apr  6 15:09:21 2020 UTC.  The chair is ddstreet. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:09] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[15:09] <ddstreet> #topic Review of previous action items
[15:10] <ddstreet> tsimonq2 to better document what we expect applicants to know (carried over)
[15:10] <teward> simon isn't here so we'll have to carry over his action item.
[15:10] <ddstreet> ddstreet to define an initial list of 'flavor teams'
[15:11] <ddstreet> I sent an email to the list, as far as i can tell the short summary is there is a list of all flavor teams in my email, so we can set the expiry for those teams
[15:11] <ddstreet> but also, two of the flavors do not have teams
[15:11] <ddstreet> so, i think we also need to create teams for those 2 flavors, ubuntu-mate and ubuntustudio
[15:12] <teward> ubuntu studio has a dev team
[15:12] <teward> it's just not part of the packageset
[15:12] <teward> (I'm on the dev team for Studio :P)
[15:12] <ddstreet> ok then probably the packageset should be changed over to use the dev team, instead of just rosco2
[15:12] <ddstreet> right?
[15:12] <teward> ddstreet: add an action item RE: that team to me to follow up with Erich Eickmeyer (flavor lead) RE: a 'core' team for them with upload rights
[15:12] <teward> the dev team includes quite a few people I would not want to give direct upload rights to
[15:13] <teward> (i'll act as liaison since I"m actually on their team helping with upload sponsors and NEW stuff)
[15:13]  * Eickmeyer butts-in
[15:13] <Eickmeyer> We technically *do* have a core team of which I'm the owner.
[15:13] <Eickmeyer> I know that doesn't include upload rights
[15:13] <teward> Eickmeyer: given YOU do not even have upload rights to the studio packageset yet because you haven't applied, we need to discuss this outside of the DMB meeting
[15:14] <Eickmeyer> teward: ack
[15:14] <ddstreet> #action teward follow up with Erich Eickmeyer (flavor lead) RE: a 'core' team for them with upload rights
[15:14] <meetingology> ACTION: teward follow up with Erich Eickmeyer (flavor lead) RE: a 'core' team for them with upload rights
[15:14] <teward> my two cents.
[15:14] <teward> ('cause it's a larger discussioN)
[15:14] <teward> ('cause it's a larger discussion)
[15:14] <ddstreet> ok that's for ubuntustudio, what about for ubuntu-mate?
[15:15] <ddstreet> someone should follow up on changing it to use a team for packageset owner instead of just flexiondotorg
[15:15] <ddstreet> teward you want to take that one as well?
[15:15] <teward> I don't ahve any direct ties to the MATE team but i'll take the action item
[15:16] <ddstreet> ack thanks
[15:16] <ddstreet> #action teward follow up on packageset owning team for ubuntu-mate
[15:16] <meetingology> ACTION: teward follow up on packageset owning team for ubuntu-mate
[15:16] <ddstreet> ok and just so i don't forget we're carrying over simon's item
[15:17] <ddstreet> #action tsimonq2 to better document what we expect applicants to know (carried over)
[15:17] <meetingology> ACTION: tsimonq2 to better document what we expect applicants to know (carried over)
[15:17] <teward> #meetingtopic DMB Meeting
[15:17] <teward> (we forgot to set the topic heh)
[15:17] <ddstreet> thanks
[15:18] <ddstreet> ok to finish up this action item, someone needs to set expiry time on the existing identified flavor teams, unless anyone else wants that i can take it
[15:18] <ddstreet> #action ddstreet set expiry time on identified flavor teams
[15:18] <meetingology> ACTION: ddstreet set expiry time on identified flavor teams
[15:19] <ddstreet> also, if anyone disagrees with the list i sent, feel free to comment, of course
[15:19] <teward> i haven't had time to review it yet ddstreet
[15:19] <teward> so at least for the next few days don't kick expiry into gear yet if possible
[15:19] <teward> i want to review it ;0
[15:19] <teward> ;) *
[15:19] <ddstreet> ack, i'll wait until next week to do that
[15:19] <ddstreet> ok, on with the carried over items
[15:20] <teward> (out of order)
[15:20] <teward> teward to handle request "Requesting upload rights for ltsp"
[15:20] <teward> Completed, and rights granted per PPU mechanisms
[15:20] <teward> teward to handle request "Adding lubuntu-update-notifier to the Lubuntu package set"
[15:20] <teward> Carry it over, still figuring out the packageset stuff
[15:20] <teward> unless you know how to do it (I haven't found docs on it)
[15:20] <teward> BUt i will ultimately ACK that into the packageset as it's only an Lubuntu package
[15:21] <ddstreet> i do not, i'm happy to let you carry it over :)
[15:21] <teward> yep
[15:21] <ddstreet> #action teward to handle request "Adding lubuntu-update-notifier to the Lubuntu package set"
[15:21] <meetingology> ACTION: teward to handle request "Adding lubuntu-update-notifier to the Lubuntu package set"
[15:21] <ddstreet> rafaeldtinoco to handle request "Expired MOTU membership"
[15:21] <ddstreet> rafaeldtinoco is not around, so we can carry this over also
[15:21] <ddstreet> #action rafaeldtinoco to handle request "Expired MOTU membership" (carried over)
[15:22] <meetingology> ACTION: rafaeldtinoco to handle request "Expired MOTU membership" (carried over)
[15:22] <rafaeldtinoco> yes pls
[15:22] <rafaeldtinoco> sorry, i'll do this week
[15:22] <ddstreet> ah hi o/
[15:22] <ddstreet> ack thanks
[15:22] <ddstreet> slashd to handle request "Please add new printing-related packages to my upload rights into main"
[15:22] <teward> rafaeldtinoco: if you don't get time let me know, and I'll give it a review/handle (I literally am bored off my butt with work from home heh)
[15:22] <rafaeldtinoco> teward: alright. tku, will try to have it done but will let u kow
[15:23] <teward> yep
[15:23] <teward> NOW onto slashd :)
[15:23] <ddstreet> slashd any update for printing pkgs item?
[15:23] <slashd> ddstreet: not yet, will do my best to look at it this week.
[15:23] <slashd> been a bit crazy lately for me
[15:24] <ddstreet> ack, thanks
[15:24] <ddstreet> #action slashd to handle request "Please add new printing-related packages to my upload rights into main" (carried over)
[15:24] <meetingology> ACTION: slashd to handle request "Please add new printing-related packages to my upload rights into main" (carried over)
[15:24] <ddstreet> ddstreet to write up a proposal for upload access expiry following some period of disuse
[15:24] <ddstreet> i have not got to this
[15:24] <ddstreet> #action ddstreet to write up a proposal for upload access expiry following some period of disuse (carried over)
[15:24] <meetingology> ACTION: ddstreet to write up a proposal for upload access expiry following some period of disuse (carried over)
[15:24] <ddstreet> ok i think that's all the carried over items
[15:25] <teward> yep
[15:25] <ddstreet> The PPU application is set for next meeting, so skipping over that
[15:25] <teward> yep, we have no MOTU, SRU Dev, or Core Dev applications
[15:25] <teward> just a few mailing list items
[15:25] <ddstreet> #topic Outstanding mailing list requests to assign
[15:25] <ddstreet> Consider dissolution of packagesets for defunct flavor: edubuntu (teward)
[15:26] <ddstreet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-March/001466.html
[15:26] <teward> For those who haven't reviewed my email on the mailing list yet I can summarize:
[15:26] <teward> Basically, in regards to the LTSP request, it brought up a point that Edubuntu is dead - and as a result the packageset has no need to exist
[15:26] <teward> my proposal is to remove the packageset and thsoe who need direct upload to those packages can continue to apply via PPU processes
[15:26] <teward> such dissolution of the packageset will, in my opinion, require quorum vote
[15:27] <ddstreet> my only question re: that is there appears to be 1 memeber who would then lose existing upload rights
[15:27] <ddstreet> should we make them re-apply to get upload rights back?
[15:28] <ddstreet> or create a personal packageset for them?
[15:28] <ddstreet> specifically,    - Alkis Georgopoulos (alkisg)
[15:28] <rbasak> Can we invite that person to join the discussion?
[15:28] <ddstreet> and the edbuntu packageset is https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/focal/edubuntu
[15:28] <rbasak> Ask them what they'd like.
[15:29] <teward> it looks like stgraber owuld be affected as well as alkisg, unless stgraber has core and i'm blind at reading their memberships
[15:29] <rafaeldtinoco> question, we would have to approve to this person ppu for all those pkgs then ?
[15:29] <rbasak> stgraber is a core dev
[15:29] <teward> then i am blind :)
[15:29] <rbasak> So no impact to him
[15:29] <teward> rafaeldtinoco: it'd probably make sense to make a packageset for that user - a personal packageset for alkisg
[15:29] <teward> I'm not opposed to that
[15:29] <rafaeldtinoco> thats why I ask, to make sure we are on the same page
[15:29] <teward> but because of the dead edubuntu flavor, edubuntu-dev still has uploads.
[15:30] <rbasak> If we did that, it'd be individual PPU, not a personal packageset.
[15:30] <teward> mmm, we would have to do it a PPU then.  I think we'll have to loop in alkisg, but I'm hesitant to keep defunct flavors' packagesets around
[15:30] <teward> just my two cents
[15:30] <rbasak> I suggest we propose it to alkisg
[15:30] <rafaeldtinoco> +1
[15:30] <rbasak> Before making any decision
[15:30] <teward> +1
[15:31] <ddstreet> +1
[15:31] <ddstreet> anyone want to take that action item?
[15:31] <teward> so then action item is to reach out to aklisg and ask if they're willing to make a PPU application for all the packages
[15:31] <teward> *raises hand*
[15:31] <teward> ... if you want to keep assigning things to me that is :p
[15:31] <rbasak> No even a PPU application
[15:31] <rbasak> I don't think an application is necessary
[15:31] <rafaeldtinoco> just the change to happen
[15:31] <rbasak> We should just ask if a transfer to PPU would be acceptable as a way forward
[15:31] <rbasak> We can figure out how we want to achieve that later.
[15:32] <rbasak> (I'm in favour of JFDI with no application)
[15:32] <rafaeldtinoco> sgtm
[15:32] <teward> agreed, so i'll take the action item of proposing to them and then JFDI if that's OK'd
[15:32] <ddstreet> #action teward discuss edbuntu conversion to ppu with aklisg
[15:32] <meetingology> ACTION: teward discuss edbuntu conversion to ppu with aklisg
[15:32] <ddstreet> thanks!
[15:32] <rbasak> One consequence is that things that might have previously qualified to just-be-added to the edubuntu packageset will now require individual PPU applications.
[15:32] <rbasak> I think that would be fine though - just pointing it out.
[15:33] <teward> rbasak: my opinion is that the Edubuntu Package Set is a legacy piece
[15:33] <rbasak> Agreed
[15:33] <teward> leftover from the defunct flavor
[15:33] <teward> as such, NOTHING gets added to Edubuntu going forward
[15:33] <teward> but we're free to remove from or dissolve the packageset
[15:34] <teward> which is why I gave them PPU via DM on their ML request.
[15:34] <teward> that's my opinion regarding defunct packagesets anyways
[15:35] <ddstreet> ok so should we vote on edbuntu dissolution now, or wait until after teward talks to aklisg?
[15:35] <rbasak> after teward talks to alkisg please
[15:35] <teward> ddstreet: carry that over, we want to talk to alkisg
[15:35] <rafaeldtinoco> yep
[15:35] <ddstreet> ack, so let's move to the next email request
[15:35] <ddstreet> Please add ukui packages to the ubuntukylin package set (handsome_feng)
[15:35] <ddstreet> i think this, and the next one, are trivial items that any indivudla dmb member can handle
[15:36] <ddstreet> just adding packages to packageset
[15:36] <rbasak> Yes, but
[15:36] <rbasak> If it's an automatically generated packageset, then that makes it complicated
[15:36] <ddstreet> ah right since it's flavor pkgset
[15:36] <rbasak> If you just add it to the packageset in Launchpad, that will revert the next time the automation is run
[15:37] <ddstreet> so in this case, the actual action is to run the script tooling to update the packageset from the seeds
[15:37] <ddstreet> right?
[15:37] <rbasak> I'm not sure all flavor packagesets are generated by the script
[15:37] <rbasak> ddstreet: yeah, roughly
[15:37] <ddstreet> ok i guess we should take an item to check the tooling, and run it
[15:37] <rbasak> Hopefully the script will agree with the request, and then it can just happen
[15:37] <rbasak> Otherwise the script logic and/or exception lists might need adjusting
[15:38] <ddstreet> any volunteers for that?
[15:38] <rafaeldtinoco> i can give it a try
[15:38] <ddstreet> thanks!
[15:39] <ddstreet> #action rafaeldtinoco look at flavor packageset tooling re: update of ubuntukylin packageset, run tooling to update packageset
[15:39] <meetingology> ACTION: rafaeldtinoco look at flavor packageset tooling re: update of ubuntukylin packageset, run tooling to update packageset
[15:39] <ddstreet> request to add jsunit to the mozilla packageset (olivier.tilloy)
[15:39] <ddstreet> this isn't a flavor packageset (mozilla) so i think this should just be a manual addition to the packageset
[15:40] <ddstreet> any volunteers?
[15:40] <teward> i can handle it
[15:41] <ddstreet> don't overload yourself :)
[15:41] <teward> yes i know i'm volunteering for everything but if anyone else wants it feel free to take it
[15:41] <teward> ddstreet: put into perspective:
[15:41] <teward> 90% of the day i'm sitting on my butt bingewatching TV and checking email and work chat for tasks
[15:41] <teward> so i am not overloaded - i'm DYING for stuff to keep me entertained :)
[15:41] <ddstreet> ah well that makes sense :)
[15:41] <teward> so if anyone else wants it take it, otherwise assign it to me
[15:42] <ddstreet> looks like it's yours ;)
[15:42] <ddstreet> #action teward request to add jsunit to the mozilla packageset (olivier.tilloy)
[15:42] <meetingology> ACTION: teward request to add jsunit to the mozilla packageset (olivier.tilloy)
[15:42] <teward> aso i've already binged Stargate SG-1 from Season 1 to final episode of Season 10 already with WFH - which gives you an idea of exactly HOW BUSY I am not :p
[15:42] <ddstreet> lol, sg-1 is a good one to watch
[15:43] <ddstreet> ok last item i think
[15:43] <ddstreet> #topic Select a chair for the next meeting (following alphabetical order of first names)
[15:43]  * RikMills loans teward Atlantis Bluerays
[15:43] <rbasak> It'll be Simon again I guess?
[15:44] <teward> RikMills: joke's on you, I have 4k streaming of it via Amazon Prime :)
[15:44] <rbasak> And ddstreet can move himself to the end.
[15:44] <RikMills> teward: ditto
[15:44] <ddstreet> ack sounds good, i'll move myself in the list but otherwise leave as is
[15:44] <teward> rbasak: i'd say we need to remove Simon from the chairs list for now
[15:44] <teward> i can't even raise him on texts at the moment
[15:44] <teward> and that's no easy feat
[15:44]  * rbasak doesn't mind
[15:44] <rbasak> (who is chair)
[15:44] <ddstreet> ack, will do that too
[15:44] <rbasak> Just do something, and call it done please :)
[15:44] <teward> yep
[15:44] <ddstreet> ok AOB?
[15:45] <ddstreet> 10...
[15:45] <ddstreet> 5
[15:45] <ddstreet> 4
[15:45] <ddstreet> 3
[15:45] <teward> yep
[15:45] <ddstreet> you do have othe rbusiness?
[15:45] <teward> but nothing that needs discussion - thanks to everyone on the DMB for being alive since the recent election
[15:45] <teward> it's great we can get quorum and discussions regularly again :)
[15:45] <ddstreet> agreed!
[15:45] <teward> (so nothing crucial just something to point out)
[15:46] <ddstreet> ok 2, 1, done
[15:46] <ddstreet> #endmeeting
[15:46] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Apr  6 15:46:04 2020 UTC.
[15:46] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2020/ubuntu-meeting.2020-04-06-15.09.moin.txt
[15:46] <ddstreet> thanks everyone!
[15:47] <rbasak> Thank you for chairing ddstreet!
[15:47] <teward> indeed, thanks!
[15:47] <ddstreet> it was fun, hopefully i didn't wander too much or miss any items :)
[15:47] <teward> nope, if anything I was the most tangent-causing :P
[15:47] <teward> also my apologies for just punting Eickmeyer to another location heh
[15:48] <teward> but i didn't want a long drawn out discussion here RE: upload rights :)
[15:48]  * Eickmeyer salts teward
[15:48]  * teward pours molten fluoride salts onto Eickmeyer's computer
[15:48] <teward> I WIN
[15:48] <teward> *shot*
[15:48] <teward> anyways, back to work for me!
[15:48] <teward> Eickmeyer: I'll follow up with you via Telegram
[15:48] <Eickmeyer> teward: sounds good. :)


[00:12] <ko_lo> clever adding
[01:00] <ko_lo> grmbl I still get the invalid job class
[01:00] <ko_lo> I don't get it
[01:05] <ko_lo> and env | grep UPSTART return nothing
[01:16] <ko_lo> I'll try to do it as root and tricking with uuid
[01:33] <ko_lo> ok, it's magic now
[01:33] <ko_lo> I try to follow this https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/the-upstart-event-system-what-it-is-and-how-to-use-it
[01:33] <ko_lo> as a root
[01:34] <ko_lo> and I still get Invalid job class: save
[01:34] <ko_lo> (my file is /etc/init.d/save.conf
[01:40] <ko_lo> oh, it's supposed to be in etc/init/
[02:33] <ko_lo> ok, I have it working \o/
[02:33] <ko_lo> but I want it to start on desktop-end which is a user events and not accepted by initctl check-config


[03:15] <Passwd-did-not-m> help
[03:16] <Passwd-did-not-m> Ubuntuone won't let me login with my launchpad id anymore. It keeps saying password did not match
[03:19] <Passwd-did-not-m> and when I click I forgot my password it says it sent a message when it actually didn't! I checked in a span of 30 minutes.
[03:20] <Passwd-did-not-m> my username for ubuntu one is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:20] <Passwd-did-not-m> Ubuntu One is unreliable. I moving on to ADrive
[03:23] <lifeless> Passwd-did-not-m: generally that means the mail has gone to your spam folder, or you mistyped the email address.
[03:29] <Passwd-did-not-m> lifeless, I checked my spam folder and I definately typed me emailed corrrectly
[03:29] <Passwd-did-not-m> and it is still not there
[15:15] <simba_> anyone else having problems removing computers from the u1 webpage?
[15:35] <pulb> hi, i've got a question: does ubuntuone sync in "realtime"? i.e. does file_x show up on computer B immediately if i create it on computer A?
[15:35] <pulb> or does it only sync on client startup?
[15:43] <joh> Hi, when I try to sync my notes with ubuntu one I get conflicts with *every* local note.
[15:43] <joh> For some reason all the notes from the servers seem to be empty
[16:11] <duanedesign> joh: there is a problem right now with Note sync.
[16:13] <duanedesign> joh: i received an email from the mailing list yesterday: We are currently investigating the issue that may cause your Tomboy
[16:13] <duanedesign> notes to be empty after synchronization
[16:14] <duanedesign> Kindly refrain from synchronizing the notes until the issue is resolved. :)
[16:16] <duanedesign> joh: here are some different ways you can stay on top of U1 status. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne#News%26Information
[16:39] <pulb> i asked because ubuntu one does not synchronize in realtime, only on reconnect..
[16:48] <pulb> appart from this i get "Something went wrong (500)" when i try to remove connected computers on the webinterface
[16:53] <rye> duanedesign, what? Notes sync fix not landed on production?
[16:57] <duanedesign> rye: we had a user here about an hour ago
[16:57] <duanedesign> i am not sure when he had the issue
[16:57] <duanedesign> rye: but that is no longer an issue?
[16:57] <rye> duanedesign, reading the logs. Checking...
[16:57] <duanedesign> as far as you know :)
[16:59] <rye> grrr
[17:14] <FND> aquarius: are the DesktopCouch Python utilities (e.g. MergeableLists) reusable independently? I'm writing a generic app using CouchDB, and was thinking I might choose my schemas to be compatible with DC
[17:15] <FND> that way DesktopCouch support would come for free (disregarding authentication issues or whatever else there might be)
[17:36] <aquarius> FND, hey (was afk)
[17:36] <FND> AFK? shame on you
[17:36] <aquarius> FND, I'm...not sure, to be honest. I think you ought to be able to use MergeableList as a class, if you import it, but I've never actually tried.  I've been sat in front of this laptop 19 hours a day for the last week, and I'd run out of cigarettes. :)
[17:37] <FND> oh wow...
[17:38] <FND> will do some investigating of my own then
[17:38] <FND> aside: it'd be nice if there was a desktopcouch package on PyPI or something
[17:47] <aquarius> FND, on the pypi front...yeah, but desktopcouch.records doesn't make a great deal of sense without desktopcouch itself being there, and desktopcouch itself depends on couchdb
[17:47] <aquarius> so it's not a Python package, as such
[17:49] <FND> I see - well, perhaps I'll come across some generic stuff that might be factored out (beyond the stuff provided by couchdb-python)
[17:49] <FND> in that case, I might submit a patch
[18:04] <dimeotane> I'm curious if anyone knows about the error with notes appearing blank in Tomboy after syncing with Ubuntuone?
[18:05] <rye> dimeotane, this is known, it has already been fixed but the fix is not yet deployed to production
[18:06] <dimeotane> glad to hear it... Many of us rely heavily on tomboy... Any idea when it will be released?
[18:07] <rye> dimeotane, you might want to subscribe to the mailing list here: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone-users
[18:07] <rye> dimeotane, unfortunately I can't assure that this will be done on weekends, but I will make sure that the fix is deployed on Monday, this is a very important part of the service
[18:08] <rye> dimeotane, we got it fixed in several minutes on Friday, but since there is a pretty large separation between development and production systems it was not possible to deploy it right away.
[18:09] <dimeotane> Oh monday is pretty quick.  thankyou so much!
[18:10] <rye> dimeotane, you may also find the updates on the service on http://twitter.com/UbuntuOne and http://identi.ca/ubuntuone
[19:39] <rye> duanedesign, https://launchpad.net/~tutinhkhuc05 is our yesterday's attacker, again :)


[08:44] <Rinchen>  ==>  please check your email.  I've called for a vote on the mailing list discussion.
[08:50] <LaserJock> Rinchen: what does "+1 to open but keep X restricted with your reasoning" mean?
[08:53] <Rinchen> e.g +1 to open the list but I think non-member posts should not be accepted.
[08:53] <Rinchen> i.e.  I agree but not all of what you said should be open
[08:55] <LaserJock> hmm
[08:55] <LaserJock> you don't have an option for "have open, common new submission list and leave fridge-devel as is" or some such
[08:56] <LaserJock> or am I reading it wrong?
[09:00] <newz2000> you having success with the fridge ical feed? I'm trying to import it into google calendar and it shows up blank. Likewise, evolution seems to crash when adding it there. In gedit though there are events listed.
[09:03] <LaserJock> newz2000: it does seem to be blank in my google calendar
[09:03] <newz2000> I've tested two drupal sites now and both have the same result
[09:03] <newz2000> I'll ask in the drupal-support channel I guess
[09:09] <beuno> newz2000, could it be related to this: http://drupal.org/node/143894 ?
[09:10] <newz2000> that seems to accurately describe the problem
[09:12] <beuno> seems it's a problem with the modul itself, but seems simple enough to replace it with a random script meanwhile
[09:13] <newz2000> ok, I thought I had updated to the newest versions of all the code when I migrated to drupal 5.2 three weeks ago... I'll see if I can find where this change lives
[09:13] <newz2000> beuno: good googling, thanks for the lead!
[09:13] <beuno> newz2000, I'm not sure if it's fixed in the module, it's dated aug 7
[09:14] <beuno> newz2000, :D
[09:14] <beuno> I had a similar problem a few weeks ago, so I had that thread in my head


[12:33] <panparadox[m]> thanks for your help but I can't really figure this out. if there was a program to format pendrives, i'd do it but terminal is black magic to me, it showed some errors etc
[12:41] <MauroGaspari[m]> <panparadox[m] "thanks for your help but I can't"> There are plenty you can use from the gui. Gnome Disks, KDE partitioner, Ubuntu startup disk creator, gparted, etcher
[12:48] <MauroGaspari[m]> panparadox: do you just need to format it or also burn an iso into the pendrive?
[12:57] <sirriffsalot> panparadox[m]: unetbootin is your go-to if you need to slap a bootable os on a pendrive
[12:58] <sirriffsalot> panparadox[m]: gparted is about as easy and self-explanatory partition manager as you can get. You really shouldn't have a problem finding one that works for you :)


[00:27] <awe> javier4, yes the source of the mtk-ril could definitely help, especially if it covers the message building/parsing
[00:28] <awe> I'm off for now
[00:28] <awe> g'nite & good luck!
[00:30] <javier4> Thanks again. Good night.
[13:21] <its_me> hi
[13:22] <its_me> is there a way to flash ubuntu touch on a old xoom2?
[13:26] <OerHeks> its_me, see the supported devices wiki, if there is no port, start one?
[13:29] <its_me> auf die idee wäre ich niiiiieee gekommen
[13:29] <its_me> -.-
[13:30] <its_me> everyone else a helpful idea like this?
[13:31] <dobey> !devices | its_me
[13:31] <dobey> if there is no port, then the short answer is no, you cannot flash it
[13:32] <dobey> being rude won't change it
[13:33] <its_me> that's right.
[20:31] <Jojo_> Hi, i'm trying to get ubuntu touch on an old archos 70 internet tablet.
[20:32] <Jojo_> Is there anyone who has already done this?
[20:34] <OerHeks> Jojo_, see the devices list, i guess it is not going to happen.


[12:24] <AndyFitz> hey hey
[12:24] <lukacu> hi
[12:27] <lukacu> question: that list ... of icons to be made and the ones that are finished ... etc.  ... does it exist?
[12:30] <Nafallo> 18:28 < Nafallo> gothcat thinks the boxes for archives should be closed if the
[12:30] <Nafallo>                  files are not unpacked :-)
[12:30] <Nafallo> 18:28 < Nafallo> ^ talking about humility
[12:30] <Nafallo> 18:30 < ogra> heh, cool idea, but if you unpack a archive it gets a folder
[12:30] <Nafallo>               normally....
[12:30] <Nafallo> 18:30 < ogra> or a number of files
[12:30] <Nafallo> 18:32 < Nafallo> yea. I think the point is more like: it's an archive. that
[12:30] <Nafallo>                  should be a closed box.
[12:30] <Nafallo> AndyFitz: ^
[12:30] <Nafallo> :-)
[12:48] <AndyFitz> Nafallo
[12:49] <AndyFitz> I agree
[12:49] <AndyFitz> that icon was first made for file roller.  I'll draw a similar but closed box for archive types
[12:50] <Nafallo> AndyFitz: she smiles happily :-)
[12:51] <AndyFitz> I always knew it was silly .  just waiting for someone to pull me up on it and make me do the work.  ;-)
[12:51] <Nafallo> hehe :-)
[12:51] <AndyFitz> sadly I really have to go ( I'll be away for the weekend )
[12:52] <AndyFitz> hopefully online later today however
[12:52] <Nafallo> AndyFitz: same here. I'm just here to get my X fixed again ;-)
[12:52] <AndyFitz> ciao mate , take care and thanks for pointing it out :)
[12:53] <Nafallo> AndyFitz: take care to and I'll see you around :-).
[12:54] <AndyFitz> you to mate :)
[02:27] <volvoguy> hey folks.
[02:28] <volvoguy> did i miss Andy or hasn't he been on yet today? (i can never keep track of timezones on the other side of the planet) :)
[02:30] <Nafallo> 00:56 -!- AndyFitz<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has left
[02:30] <Nafallo>           #ubuntu-artwork []
[02:30] <ogra> volvoguy, gworldclock is very helpful ;)
[02:30] <Nafallo> 02:32 now :-)
[02:31] <volvoguy> :-) thanks.
[02:32] <ogra> Nafallo, you need to say where :) 02:29 in germany btw :)
[02:32] <ogra> hmm, my clock is slow...
[02:32] <Nafallo> ogra: I did.. here :-)
[02:32] <ogra> ah, yes, *here* :)
[02:33] <volvoguy> i just had a great talk with one of the Foresight Linux people. Apparently they're working on a SOAP based system to combine the artwork on gnome-looks.org, kde-looks.org and art.gnome.org. the results could be accessed via the web or a standalone app (like the gnome-art app).
[02:33] <Nafallo> hmm, I just tried to tune my irssi time by running ntpdate on the lappy :-P
[02:33] <volvoguy> i'm in detroit, michigan, usa.
[02:35] <volvoguy> it would be possible to make our future ubuntu art website part of the global "artwork repository". sounds pretty cool to me.
[02:35] <ogra> yep, sounds good :)
[02:36] <Nafallo> yay! that could hopefully kill the phpgroupware idea :-)
[02:36] <ogra> heh
[02:36] <ogra> i still have no idea wat for we'd need a groupware...
[02:36] <ogra> s/wat/what
[02:37] <Nafallo> same here
[02:37] <volvoguy> i'm not really sold on the groupware idea yet either.
[02:38] <volvoguy> i think for our "official" ubuntu artwork, CVS would be fine for keeping track of things.
[02:38] <Nafallo> wiki+bazaar+art.g.o software would be a good start :-)
[02:38] <ogra> yep
[02:39] <ogra> Nafallo, but you have to teach baz to all the artwork guys then :)
[02:39] <Nafallo> ogra: but not cvs?
[02:39] <Nafallo> I've never really used either, but I've heard baz rocks! :-)
[02:40] <volvoguy> we'll have wait and see. i don't think everyone (including myself) knows the full scope of what Ubuntu ultimately wants from us.
[02:40] <ogra> Nafallo, always give users the tools they need...
[02:40] <ogra> volvoguy, just artwork... the best we can get :)
[02:40] <ogra> so if CVS is required, we'll have CVS ....
[02:41] <Nafallo> cvs is the most _known_ solution I guess :-)
[02:41] <ogra> ... which doesnt mean there cant be some bazarr classes to teach the people Nafallo
[02:41] <Nafallo> ogra: kewl. start with me then :-).
[02:42] <volvoguy> ogra: yes - but for ubuntu's purposes, there's really not a huge amount of artwork we need to collaborate on - icons, 6 backgrounds per release, maybe some theme tweaks and/or variations.
[02:42] <ogra> Nafallo, i'm still learning myself, but i could get us the guy who wrote baz to teac us :)
[02:42] <ogra> volvoguy, the iconsets are not small
[02:42] <volvoguy> ogra: is bazzar some kind of versioning system?
[02:43] <ogra> yep
[02:43] <ogra> its the one we develop at canonical
[02:43] <ogra> and the one launchpad will use
[02:44] <Nafallo> ogra: lifeless IIRC?
[02:44] <volvoguy> ogra: no, they're not small, but they're relatively small compared to having hundreds of devs working on a piece of software.
[02:44] <ogra> Nafallo, lifeless is rather a manager... jblack would be good to teach us
[02:45] <volvoguy> i've been meaning to ask my Canonical contacts what/if/why/how we could be part of launchpad.
[02:45] <Nafallo> ah, oki :-)
[02:45] <ogra> volvoguy, i dont think mark planned a artwork area for launchpad... thats probably something to be added now
[02:47] <Nafallo> right now there isn't really a need to be on launchpad IMO. sabdfl might have something else to say about that though ;-)
[02:47] <Nafallo> for this team that is...
[02:48] <volvoguy> ogra: i agree. i don't think we were planned in any aspect until recently - that's why it's taking so long to get things done on their end for us.
[02:48] <volvoguy> so how would launchpad be classified? is it kinda like a project manager?
[02:49] <ogra> its "sourceforge next generation"
[02:50] <Nafallo> right now it's bug-tracker, translation area and team management. something like that :-)
[02:51] <ogra> it will be source management and package builder too in the future
[02:51] <volvoguy> nice. :)
[02:51] <ogra> and the target is community collaboration in any way... so artwork might be part of the general plan
[02:52] <ogra> anyway, GF pokes me... nearly 3am....
[02:52] <Nafallo> anyway. I have to wake up early tomorrow.
[02:52] <ogra> time for bed... :)
[02:52] <ogra> i dont...
[02:52] <Nafallo> what ogra said ;-)
[02:52] <ogra> but still
[02:53] <Nafallo> We're going to Oslo to spend the weekend with tfheen and Simira :-)
[02:53] <volvoguy> oh sure... i finally get in here and you all leave me. ;-) just kidding. get some sleep and i'll get some food. we'll catch up later. (remember, this channel is being logged now).
[02:54] <ogra> Nafallo, seeing the new flat ?
[02:54] <ogra> volvoguy, yep... nice to meet you (finally (even if its virtual))
[02:55] <Nafallo> ogra: naah. that's not until 4th august :-)
[02:55] <ogra> ah... i just saw some pics...
[02:55] <volvoguy> ogra: thanks. same here! have a good time on your trip.
[02:55] <Nafallo> ogra: oh?
[02:56] <ogra> Nafallo, he posted them... i dont have the links anymore... i guess he'll show it to you ...
[02:56] <Nafallo> volvoguy: yepp. will see you later :-).
[02:56] <Nafallo> ogra: hehe, indeed :-).
[02:57] <Nafallo> anyway. good night guys :-)
[02:57] <volvoguy> Nafallo: g'night!
[02:57] <ogra> yep...same goes for me, night
[02:57] <volvoguy> ogra: g'night. :)
[02:57] <ogra> :)
[10:24] <mpathy> hi there
[10:25] <lukacu> hello
[10:30] <mpathy> i set up this tool someone suggested.. not that we should use it, but the range of things that you can do there would make sense! would you have a look? ;) http://ubuntu-artwork.seework.com user: demo password: demo
[10:31] <lukacu> ok
[10:36] <lukacu> well ... it looks nice ... but what bothers me is the side ad-bar
[10:36] <ogra> could someone elaborate what for we need this ?
[10:37] <ogra> its all already there in the ubuntu wiki... (assuming you read the ML)
[10:39] <lukacu> ogra: hm ... nope ... just checking it out to see if it fits our needs ... but i agree that wiki is also cool ;)
[10:39] <mpathy> someone suggested it, i had a look on it. we dont need or want that, because its not open source - but the things they use make sense.. only for visualizing!
[10:39] <ogra> hmm... its a project tool, right ?
[10:39] <lukacu> yup
[10:40] <mpathy> again: i dont think we should use that. but it helps to visualize what we perhaps need.. :)
[10:40] <ogra> i think we need to have a project plan, but i do not see the need to modify it every now and then ... :)
[10:40] <ogra> so a single page with this plan should be enough, or am i wrong ?
[10:42] <lukacu> it depends on how well the team is organized and how well they know what they can do in wiki and what not
[10:42] <mpathy> okay.. but it should be well structured..
[10:42] <mpathy> the docteam has structured wiki pages!
[10:43] <lukacu> yup
[10:43] <mpathy> but i thought if we get external webspace we could do a little bit more than a wiki..
[10:44] <mpathy> something where not only we, but also normal ubuntu users have some use of it
[10:44] <mpathy> like the art.gnome.org
[10:44] <ogra> art.ubuntu.com :)
[10:44] <mpathy> right
[10:45] <mpathy> but not only for us, also for ubuntu user who want to download nice wallpapers, themes, splash screens, grub and bootsplash etc.
[10:46] <mpathy> or is searching of a tutorial how to set up a new splash screen..
[10:46] <ogra> yep, and something like gnome-art to integrate directly with the desktop...
[10:46] <ogra> (i guess KDE finally got something like that too finally)
[10:47] <mpathy> what do you mean exactly? i dont get it.. perhaps its too early in the morning :)
[10:48] <ogra> there is a tool the integrates artwork from a weblocation directly with the desktop, for example you want a new wallpaper, you have something verysimilar to the wallpaper selector, but it pulls all data directly from the online source
[10:49] <lukacu> that is nice...
[10:49] <ogra> its called gnome-art ...
[10:49] <ogra> and i saw something like that for KDE too recently...
[10:49] <mpathy> NICE
[10:51] <lukacu> but right now we need team organisation infrastructure ...
[10:52] <mpathy> http://www.miketech.net/gnome-art/
[10:52] <mpathy> right
[10:53] <lukacu> it is very nice though
[10:54] <mpathy> downloaded it and have a look on it.. its in ruby :o)
[10:56] <ogra> eek, ruby ...
[10:57] <lukacu> :)
[10:57] <ogra> that means we wont have it in main ....
[10:57] <mpathy> ogra: huh?
[10:57] <mpathy> ogra: because of some python fanatics? ;)
[10:57] <ogra> we have nobody who wants to remotely maintain ruby stuff... its a PITA....
[10:58] <lukacu> :)
[10:58] <mpathy> why?
[10:58] <ogra> maintainig ruby packages is awful
[10:58] <mpathy> specify ;)
[10:58] <ogra> because of the structure of the packages...
[11:00] <ogra> and because nobody is fond to learn ruby ... we could really needsome ruby oriented MOTUs
[11:00] <ogra> t maintain this stuff....
[11:00] <ogra> s/t/to
[11:00] <mpathy> I am not so good at ruby.. to be a maintainer..
[11:01] <mpathy> but i hope this summer it will change..
[11:02] <ogra> drop by in #ubuntu-motu if you feel ready :) ruby is a unloved child in ubuntu.... someone should give it some love :)
[11:09] <mpathy> for sure!
[11:11] <ogra> :)
[03:48] <mpathy> back again
[06:00] <Mats_> bonjour a tous :)
[06:01] <lukacu> hello
[10:43] <olivier> Greetings
[10:44] <lukacu> hi
[10:46] <olivier> Just to tell that, few month ago, I made a 2 minute .png for the "ubuntu love days"  : http://yet.another.linux-nerd.com/2005/03/07/41/
[10:47] <olivier> I won't have time for ubuntu artwork in the near future but I'll try to do some stuff later.
[10:48] <lukacu> i think that is no problem
[10:49] <olivier> Yeah, there's a lot of people willing to help.
[10:50] <lukacu> yup ... btw nice ubuntu logo variation
[10:52] <olivier> thx
[10:54] <lukacu> i think you can come whenever you like ... there will always be something to do ;)


[03:01] <skellat> (11:00:56 PM) identi.ca: alpacaherder: Looking at patchy frost this weekend........  http://ur1.ca/dsme4
[14:46] <jrgifford> skellat, how'd tuesday go?
[14:50] <skellat> jrgifford: Long, low turnout, and a bunch of voters kept coming to the wrong precinct so I had to sign off on redirection sheets.  Plus I had to call some IDs into question which caused all sorts of consternation.
[14:53] <skellat> jrgifford: I did have one provisional ballot voter I had to shepherd through due to a voter registration/presented identification mismatch.  That got interesting.  The law on all that is gonna change in June too.
[14:55] <jrgifford> fun
[14:56] <jrgifford> isn't ohio the only place in the US where you can vote with a fishing license?
[15:06] <skellat> jrgifford: Umm...no.
[15:06] <skellat> jrgifford: Fishing license isn't usable if it doesn't bear your current address
[15:07] <jrgifford> skellat, right, so if fishing license has your current address, it's ok.
[15:07] <skellat> jrgifford: If it does, though, it is usable.  Heck, a "letter from a government agency addressed to you" counts.
[15:07] <skellat> Our ID rules are kinda bonkers
[15:08] <skellat> Which is why it is still shocking when I get a provisional ballot situation.
[15:08] <jrgifford> well, you can't complain that you're disenfranchising voters if your ID rules are that... loose.
[15:08] <skellat> jrgifford: Yeah
[15:09] <skellat> That we don't even require cause for issuance of absentee ballots also loosens things up too
[15:09] <skellat> Which is why the 16.6% turnout we had sucked.  There was no reason for it simply as the only barrier left was individual voter uninterest/lack of comprehension.
[15:13] <skellat> jrgifford: How many years yet until you get to vote?
[15:14] <jrgifford> skellat,  ~1.2
[15:14] <jrgifford> and that's a terrible turnout.
[15:14] <skellat> Yeah, it was
[15:15] <skellat> So, you'll be eligible in time to vote in the next election for Governor in November 2014.  Technically you'll be able to vote in the primary next May even as a 17 year old but that is a little messy.
[15:16] <jrgifford> right, because i turn 18 before the general election, i can vote in the primary.
[15:16] <jrgifford> i intend to try, but as you said, it'll be a little messy. :)
[15:19] <skellat> Thankfully the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections has a huge staff compared to Ashtabula County's.  Talk to them next February and they'll get you set up.
[19:24] <skellat> Apparently we're having a wild day today on FreeNode with netsplits abounding
[19:25] <drkokandy> I go this the last time I got bumped & reconnected: [14:36:18] [kloeri] [Global Notice] Hi all, apologies for the continued netsplits. We're having some issues stemming from a DDoS attack but we're working with our sponsors on attack mitigation. Thank you for using freenode.
[19:25] <drkokandy> *I GOT this
[19:26] <skellat> Yep
[19:26] <skellat> The virtual Ubuntu Developer Summit is gonna be fun next week if we have this happen
[19:27] <skellat> Otherwise, how is the life out Ashland way drkokandy?
[19:28] <drkokandy> cold today down here... we had commencement today at the University. a little sad that the nice weather couldn't have continued just through today for our new grads
[19:29] <yano> it's actually "freenode"
[19:29] <yano> :3
[19:29] <skellat> yano: Okay.  I get too used to camel case dealing with Wikipedia and all
[19:30] <drkokandy> what if camel case were spelled CamelCase ? :-)
[19:30] <yano> no worries
[19:30] <yano> hah
[19:30] <Unit193> ...SASL, CertFP, and server password setup.  Not a single one worked...
[19:30] <skellat> drkokandy: I thought Wikipedia had a recursion loop on that at one point
[19:31] <skellat> Unit193: You're starting in the middle.  What's goin' on?
[19:31] <drkokandy> as it should :-) skellat
[19:31] <Unit193> That'd be why.  Services are down. :)
[19:32] <skellat> Well
[19:32] <skellat> I wonder what it would take to get a fall-back XMPP conference room set up for the LoCo somewhere
[19:33] <skellat> Defense in depth is wonderful with multiple fall backs
[19:34] <skellat> That's a thought for another time, though
[19:34] <drkokandy> I'm sure there are other free IRC hosts
[19:34] <drkokandy> but it looks calmer now
[19:34] <skellat> This doesn't look good: "(03:33:46 PM) christel has changed the topic to: 21:31:42 jechu<EMAIL_ADDRESS>requested unknown CTCP FREENODE from #freenode: IS BEING DDOSSED RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE DONT LIKE THE WAY THINGS ARE BEING MANAGED. EXPECT MORE IF THERE IS NO CHANGE. - Public service announcement by Mr. Jechu."
[19:35] <drkokandy> wll
[19:35] <drkokandy> well
[19:37] <skellat> I'm thinking more in terms of like when we were renovating the chicken coop out at the farm in central Ashtabula County.  We've got multiple layers of defense for the chickens to lay eggs in case of coyotes.  The first is the barn cats on guard.  Second is fencing.  Third is fencing on the coop.  Fourth is some reinforcement inside the coop.  Idea is that the cats are the trip wire in case of coyotes and that the other layers slow 'em down unt
[19:38] <skellat> We lose freenode we can fall back to something else.  We lose the fallback, we fall back to something else.  Worst comes to worst, I put stamps on postcards and mail things to people I suppose.
[19:39] <jrgifford> we could always go to debian land
[19:39] <jrgifford> take up residence in #ubuntu-expats-us-oh
[19:40] <skellat> Just have to tack on "refugees" somewhere, I suppose
[19:40] <skellat> Mind you, these are all theoretical notions.   I'm still watching the scroll-by in #freenode as the melodrama continues.
[19:46] <jrgifford> i need to start hanging out on the debian servers more often anyway. i mean, that's where paultag is!
[19:46] <skellat> Yep
[19:46] <skellat> I just need to figure out what I'm doing wrong with my ZNC configuration to be on both networks at the same time
[19:47] <drkokandy> in Quassel I'm on 3 servers right now... in a total of 16 room
[19:47] <drkokandy> s
[19:49] <Unit193> jrgifford: I'm on OFTC, but only 2 channels. :D
[19:49] <Unit193> smxi and debian-mentors.
[19:51] <yano> i'm on OFTC too
[19:51] <yano> i'm on too many networks
[19:51] <yano> and too many channels on freenode
[20:00] <paultag> jrgifford: :)