[01:01] <Set_Phone> Hello
[01:04] <Set_Phone> Bigjools you around
[01:05] <bigjools> hi
[01:05] <bigjools> you take various guises I see
[01:06] <Set_Phone> So I upgraded to trusty. But now having ipmi enlistment issues
[01:07] <Set_Phone> Yeah on my phone
[01:08] <Set_Phone> Only error I get is "no power type detected"
[02:33] <Lord_Set> Ok I am back. My phone had issues and missed whatever you may have responded earlier Bigjools.
[02:34] <bigjools> could you elaborate with your problems
[02:35] <Lord_Set> So every time I enlist a new node now no ipmi/ilo is detected at all.
[02:35] <bigjools> what package version do you have
[02:35] <Lord_Set> Of which exactly?
[02:35] <bigjools> maas
[02:36] <Lord_Set> Sec
[02:37] <Lord_Set> 1.5+bzr1977-0ubuntu2
[02:39] <bigjools> can you try the package in the daily PPA, it should have fixed this
[02:39] <bigjools> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:~maas-maintainers/dailybuilds
[02:39] <Lord_Set> Sure
[02:40] <bigjools> then you will truly be bleeding edge
[02:40] <Lord_Set> When updating MAAS do you recommend doing a regular upgrade or full-upgrade?
[02:41] <bigjools> you're using aptitude?
[02:41] <Lord_Set> Yes
[02:41] <Lord_Set> I prefer it
[02:41] <bigjools> don't, use apt-get
[02:41] <Lord_Set> Ok
[02:41] <Lord_Set> Why? Just curious
[02:41] <bigjools> aptitude has different conflict resolution rules to apt-get, and the distro team only tests with apt-get
[02:41] <Lord_Set> Ok makes sense
[02:41] <bigjools> so you could end up with a bad installation
[02:42] <bigjools> so apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:42] <Lord_Set> I wish I knew that earlier
[02:42] <bigjools> I never use plain upgrade
[02:43] <Lord_Set> Alright I will try and re-enlist those nodes
[02:55] <Lord_Set> hmm yay... give me a bit. I think I have a server issue now. Restarted the server after the update and ssh isn't responding now.
[03:03] <bigjools> jtv: why is our customised CalledProcessError (ExternalProcessError) doing this?
[03:03] <bigjools>         cmd = u" ".join(quote(self._to_unicode(part)) for part in self.cmd)
[03:03] <bigjools> the base class version just prints cmd as a string
[03:03] <jtv> bigjools: I guess to deal with bytes-shaped command-line args...
[03:04] <bigjools> jtv: well particularly the join I mean
[03:04] <jtv> Oh.  Because self.cmd is a list.
[03:04] <bigjools> no, it's a string :)
[03:04] <bigjools> look at the base class
[03:04] <Lord_Set> What is the release date for 14.10?
[03:05] <jtv> Does CalledProcessError take its command as a string?  I thought it was a list.
[03:05] <bigjools> Lord_Set: April 17
[03:05] <Lord_Set> Thanks. Looking forward to it!
[03:05] <bigjools> jtv: the check_call stuff in PYthon does this:
[03:06] <bigjools>         cmd = kwargs.get("args")
[03:06] <jtv> So "cmd" is a list there.
[03:06] <jtv> And then it converts that to a string..?
[03:07] <bigjools> seems so
[03:07] <jtv> Although actually... we don't normally call it with the command list in kwargs, do we?
[03:07] <jtv> Normally this would make cmd be None.
[03:08] <bigjools> it falls back to cmd = popenargs[0]
[03:08] <jtv> Because we just pass check_call(['command', '--option', 'arg']) without kwargs.
[03:08] <jtv> Ah, so it strips away the arguments and returns just the base command.
[03:08] <jtv> Not ideal if the command is something like sudo!
[03:08] <bigjools> yup!
[03:09] <bigjools> I'll change the code so it provides a better error anyway
[03:09] <bigjools> (fixing the omshell thing)
[03:10] <jtv> Yes, CalledProcessError expects the problem to manifest as a non-zero return code.  What we have with omshell is a different reason to report failure.
[03:10] <jtv> Not CalledProcessError, sorry.  The other one.  Ours.
[03:10] <jtv> ExternalProcessError.
[03:10] <bigjools> jtv: yeah, it exits with zero even if a command fails
[03:11] <jtv> Which...
[03:11] <jtv> Ewww.
[03:11] <jtv> But hey, compared to the problems I've been having with dig lately, this is just run-of-the-mill evil.
[03:11] <jtv> dig prints its errors to stdout.
[03:11] <bigjools> yuuuup
[03:11] <jtv> Which AFAICT we don't get to see when dig fails in tests, as happens sometimes.
[03:12] <jtv> And our enlistment user data fails to check for an error return from dig, so we get error messages being used as hostnames.
[03:27] <roaksoax> bigjools: alright
[03:27] <roaksoax> i'm back
[03:27] <roaksoax> bigjools: so, the problem is that if a user upgrades MAAS
[03:27] <roaksoax> and then tries to enlist or commissioning new nodes
[03:27] <roaksoax> then it will fail
[03:28] <roaksoax> cause trusty images are not available anymore
[03:28] <roaksoax> err
[03:28] <roaksoax> are not available because they haven't been imported yet
[03:31] <bigjools> roaksoax: I don't have a problem with that
[03:31] <bigjools> people need to read release notes and pull images in
[03:31] <bigjools> however I am open to be convinced otherwise
[03:33] <roaksoax> bigjools: yeah but this is not about people reading release notes. This is about supporting backwards compatibility to existing users
[03:33] <roaksoax> bigjools: if you can avoid it, you should not just break them
[03:33] <bigjools> roaksoax: there's nothing that's not backwardly compatible
[03:33] <roaksoax> bigjools: Yahoo will be deploying their cloud in precise
[03:33] <bigjools> import the image, move on
[03:33] <bigjools> and nothing stops that
[03:34] <roaksoax> bigjools: what if they upgrade to new cloud-archive and they hundreds of servers fail to enlist because something silly as defaulkt to only use trust
[03:34] <roaksoax> trusty*
[03:34] <roaksoax> such a silly thing can create big problems
[03:34] <roaksoax> this is my opinion at least
[03:34] <bigjools> ok
[03:35] <bigjools> let's collect some more opinions and see
[03:35] <Lord_Set> Yahoo will be using MAAS to deploy a precise cloud?
[03:35] <roaksoax> bigjools: alright! Tycho also raised his concern on the email IMHO. Not that I'm not against of doing it, I'm just thinking of the implications this might have
[03:37] <bigjools> roaksoax: like I said, I am open, I just want to make sure we're not doing this because we're afraid of moving forwards, it's such a simple thing to get working
[03:38] <roaksoax> indeed
[03:38] <roaksoax> Lord_Set: it was just an example
[03:43] <bigjools> jtv: plz to be reviewing: https://code.launchpad.net/~julian-edwards/maas/omshell-remove-fail-bug-1285244/+merge/208521
[03:50] <jtv> da tovarich
[04:23] <jtv> bigjools: and could you review https://code.launchpad.net/~jtv/maas/prefer-i386-if-arch-unknown/+merge/208525 ?
[04:23] <bigjools> jtv: with pleasure
[04:26] <bradm> this is interesting, every now and again my MaaS server gives me a 401 unauthorized, but if I repeat the command, works fine
[04:27] <bradm> haven't figured out how to produce it on demand yet though
[04:31] <bigjools> bradm: nonce re-use?
[04:31] <bigjools> and I hate that word
[04:33] <bradm> bigjools: this is for simple things like juju status against a maas based juju environment
[04:33] <bradm> bigjools: in the same shell I run it multiple times, sometimes it just says unauthorized
[04:34] <bigjools> bradm: one of two things usually: nonces or time is off
[05:20] <bigjools> jtv: any idea why this is failing? https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1285233
[05:21] <jtv> It was expecting a MAC object, and got a str instead.
[05:21] <bigjools> no shit :)
[05:21] <jtv> MAC is a wrapper which we needed to work around Django's awkward custom-field API.
[05:21] <jtv> Basically, Django doesn't know whether the value it gives you to convert needs converting or not.
[05:21] <bigjools> indeed
[05:22] <jtv> So there _has_ to be a type difference that you can use to figure it out for yourself.
[05:22] <bigjools> so self.mac_address is returning the string, not the MAC
[05:23] <jtv> Looking up the bug...
[05:24] <jtv> That looks like it may be a cleaning problem.
[05:24] <jtv> Where sometimes you get to see the field value in its uncleaned state, sometimes in its cleaned state.
[05:24] <jtv> I'd fix it by making the __unicode__ method capable of dealing with either.
[05:25] <bigjools> yeah, more egregious hacks ...
[05:26] <jtv> Because Django was written to Usually Work Easily instead of provide a solid framework.
[05:33] <jtv> bigjools: https://code.launchpad.net/~jtv/maas/bug-1283918/+merge/208530
[05:48] <bigjools> jtv: given the machinations in MAC.__init__ how is _wrapped ever not a string?
[05:49] <bigjools> IOW why is mac_address itself a string in the bug
[05:50] <bigjools> ah nm
[05:56] <bigjools> jtv: https://code.launchpad.net/~julian-edwards/maas/mac-address-get-raw-bug-1285233/+merge/208537
[06:20] <Lord_Set> I am watching the Ubuntu UDS Q - Next Steps for Hadoop on Ubuntu and it is a great video so far
[06:51] <Lord_Set> So thoughts... for an admin workstation/server should I give Ubuntu Desktop or Server with Gnome installed on it over Windows Server 2012 R2? I am kind of skiddish about it is because I have like all my network administration and other tools all Windows based.
[07:04] <jtv> Lord_Set: you could give those tools a whirl on WINE to scope out the change.
[07:04] <Lord_Set> True, I completely forgot about WINE.
[07:37] <Lord_Set> I swear everytime I import boot images I get the slowest mirror ever
[07:37] <Lord_Set> That caps me at like 10,000kbps
[07:39] <jtv> Poor kid.
[07:39] <jtv> You're serious about the "k" in there, right?
[07:40] <jtv> I mean, I've seen them at 10,000Bps.
[07:41] <Lord_Set> Yes
[07:42] <Lord_Set> I should be getting my full like 60,000 from here!
[07:42] <jtv> Oh dear.  How _do_ you cope?
[07:42] <Lord_Set> I know they must hate me when I download from Switch SuperNAP with our 1gbps line.
[07:43] <Lord_Set> What are the ISP like in Lithuania?
[07:43] <jtv> This is like something I sometimes do in office environments: "Slow?  Let me check... no, I'm downloading all Friday the 13th movies here and I'm getting nearly our full rated bandwidth!"
[07:44] <jtv> Lithuania?  Good question.  I could probably ask someone.
[07:44] <jtv> But I expect the answer: "cold."
[07:44] <Lord_Set> Oh nm. Was just the server you are connected to.
[07:44] <Lord_Set> Where are you from?
[07:44] <jtv> The Netherlands.
[07:45] <Lord_Set> Ahh ok. Good metal bands there.
[07:56] <Lord_Set> So... still receiving "No Power Type Defined" after nodes have enlisted
[07:56] <Lord_Set> What logs would you like?
[09:34] <Lord_Set> I know the MAAS team is most likely busy but anyone want to help me debug and fix the ipmi autodetect function of maas enlistment for trusty using the daily maintainer ppa...
[09:37] <jtv> (LS tried running maas_ipmi_autodetect_tool.py manually on a node and got this error: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7004118/ )
[09:50] <rvba> jtv: so
[09:50] <rvba> :)
[09:50] <jtv> Hi once more.  :)
[09:50] <rvba> jtv: the enlistment image was picked at random.  Without even checking if it's there or not.
[09:50] <jtv> Typing in a slow ssh session just hurts the wrists anyway.  :)
[09:50] <rvba> (But the connection seems to work)
[09:50] <rvba> (Which is good news, you can use the lab now :))
[09:50] <Lord_Set> picked at random?
[09:51] <jtv> What I saw in the code I fixed was it picking an image that was actually available, for a given nodegroup, release, and purpose; but arbitrary arch.
[09:51] <jtv> And "arbitrary" meant "first alphabetical," which usually worked because... amd64.
[09:51] <rvba> jtv: right, and amd64 wasn't imported for some reason hence why arm was picked up
[09:52] <rvba> jtv: allenap is there → call
[09:52] <jtv> He's been here for a while!
[09:52] <jtv> Why hasn't he called?
[10:03] <jtv> Done with the meeting.
[10:05] <jtv> Lord_Set: looks as if bmc-config is not present on the system you tried that script on.
[10:05] <jtv> Weird though how that's an OSError, not a CalledProcessError.
[10:06] <jtv> But yup, that's what happens.
[10:06] <jtv> And that's why it's not printing the actual command.  :(
[10:06] <jtv> Lord_Set: can you install freeipmi-tools?
[10:07] <Lord_Set> Yep
[10:07] <Lord_Set> Done
[10:07] <Lord_Set> Did it need the tools to run?
[10:07] <jtv> Yes.
[10:08] <Lord_Set> Oh ok
[10:08] <Lord_Set> Will rerun now
[10:08] <jtv> Please do.
[10:15] <Lord_Set> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7004302/
[10:15] <Lord_Set> Same error on 2 servers
[10:15] <jtv> Looking.
[10:15] <Lord_Set> A dell and hp
[10:16] <Lord_Set> both have DRAC/ILO reset to defaults
[10:16] <jtv> Hmm... that sounds familiar.
[10:18] <jtv> jhobbs, do you have any idea what might be the problem here?  Lord_Set is having trouble detecting BMCs, and running detection manually produced http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7004302/
[10:18] <jtv> Probably too early — gross timezone mismatch IIRC.
[10:18] <Lord_Set> I can post the full debug and verbose output if required.
[10:19] <Lord_Set> Yeah...
[10:20] <Lord_Set> What is the best time to speak with those that are mostly responsible for the power management functions of MAAS?
[10:20] <jtv> Americas.
[10:20] <Lord_Set> Ok
[10:20] <jtv> Which...
[10:21] <Lord_Set> It is 2am PST here
[10:21] <jtv> I sort of guessed.  :)  I meant Americas, _office_ hours.  :-)
[10:21] <jtv> Roughly speaking — we're still in IT.
[10:21] <Lord_Set> lol. Do they work in one of the Canonical offices?
[10:22] <jtv> I suppose it's biological Wednesday for me.  It's getting to be Thursday evening for me.
[10:22] <Lord_Set> Just trying to figure out what time zone
[10:22] <jtv> No, not very office-bound IIRC.
[10:23] <jtv> Wait...
[10:23] <Lord_Set> Oh ok
[10:23] <Lord_Set> Well I guess I will do one more thing here and then continue later today.
[10:23] <jtv> This is embarrassing.  A loop that keeps re-assigning first_unused until the end, and then returns first_unused.
[10:23] <Lord_Set> Or go home and play around more and see if I can get it working but I am just learning Python
[10:24] <jtv> Anyway, it seems that you've run out of user slots.  Might be worth having a look at what users have been defined.
[10:24] <Lord_Set> There are no users defined except for the default 1 currently
[10:24] <jtv> Hmmm
[10:25] <jtv> From the comments, it's also possible that the BMC simply returns an unexpected default name for unused slots.
[10:25] <Lord_Set> Yeah but it would be odd to be doing the same thing with more than one type of ipmi controller.
[10:25] <jtv> Ah, I think I'm beginning to understand that loop.  Why do people not hate complexity?
[10:26] <jtv> Well if any of them already had the right user registered, the autodetect code would detect that and re-use the slot.
[10:26] <Lord_Set> Also, each of these controllers, well all 3 that have failed so far have a max of 10 slots
[10:26] <Lord_Set> The most amount of users I have ever configured is like 3
[10:27] <jtv> Let me just see where the detection code gets its list of possible slots...
[10:28] <jtv> Could you maybe paste me the output of "bmc-config -L"?
[10:28] <Lord_Set> Sure
[10:29] <Lord_Set> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7004355/
[10:30] <jtv> Okay, I think it would pick up the User<number> slots.
[10:30] <jtv> It does make me wonder actually how it could ever find and re-use an existing slot.
[10:31] <jtv> In the autodetect code, list_user_numbers scans this output for "^(User\d+)$".
[10:31] <jtv> That result then gets used for pick_user_number_from_list.
[10:31] <jtv> It skips "User1".
[10:32] <jtv> It iterates over the rest.
[10:32] <Lord_Set> hmm ok
[10:32] <jtv> For each, it queries the existing user.
[10:32] <jtv> If that matches the user name it wants, it's done.
[10:33] <jtv> Otherwise, it picks the first slot where the returned user was either None or "(Empty User)" (case-sensitive exact match).
[10:33] <jtv> If that fails too, you get what you see here.
[10:35] <jtv> Could you give me, for example, the output of "bmc-config --checkout --key-pair=User5:Username"?
[10:35] <Lord_Set> Sure
[10:35] <jtv> The question is whether it matches  r'^\s*Username(?:[ \t])+([^# \t\r\n\v\f]*[^\n]+)$'
[10:35] <jtv> but you knew that.  :)
[10:36] <jtv> Obvious, right?  Simple short regex like that.
[10:36] <Lord_Set> I did
[10:36] <jtv> I wonder if there's any variability in that whitespace...
[10:37] <Lord_Set> root@ADMINWRK:/home/daniel# bmc-config --checkout --key-pair=User5:Username
[10:37] <Lord_Set> Section User5
[10:37] <Lord_Set>         ## Give Username
[10:37] <Lord_Set>         Username
[10:37] <Lord_Set> EndSection
[10:37] <jtv> OK
[10:38] <jtv> So... empty username.
[10:39] <jtv> And so I think bmc_user_get() would have returned None...
[10:39] <Lord_Set> Which doesn't explain the error sadly
[10:40] <jtv> In fact, it doesn't mesh with the error at all.
[10:40] <jtv> Maybe you could edit the autodetect tool and do some printf debugging?
[10:40] <Lord_Set> Unless there is an issue with how the string is being interpreted making it think all user slots are taken
[10:40] <jtv> Inserting some print() in pick_user_number_from_list could tell us a lot.
[10:41] <Lord_Set> I can do that for sure. Why not make one for me and I can put it on my MAAS controller and run it against all the servers I am trying to test deploy.
[10:41] <jtv> If we knew for each iteration in the loop in pick_user_number_from_list what user_number and username were, I think that'd pinpoint the problem.
[10:41] <jtv> Sure.  Coming up.
[10:41] <Lord_Set> Thanks
[10:42] <jtv> One server at a time would be fine for me actually.  Why buy trouble?  :)
[10:42] <Lord_Set> i just don't want to mess it up and waste time
[10:42] <Lord_Set> True
[10:42] <Lord_Set> I can do one server at a time
[10:42] <jtv> By the way, I think you'll come out of this knowing and loving Python!
[10:43] <Lord_Set> lol yeah. I have to learn it anyways for Cisco Nexus stuff.
[10:43] <Lord_Set> Cisco got the awesome idea of integrating a full python scripting engine into their Nexus datacenter switches.
[10:44] <Lord_Set> Which is why I think it would be awesome if MAAS played with Nexus as well as an option. The possibilities are endless and amazing to think about with switch configuration automation.
[10:44] <jtv> Critical network infrastructure.  Turing complete scripting.  What could go wrong?  :)
[10:44] <jtv> Updated script: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7004413/
[10:44] <lifeless> jtv: welcome to openflo
[10:44] <jtv> But yes, actually it does sound very cool.
[10:45] <jtv> Hi lifeless!
[10:45] <lifeless> jtv: o/
[10:45] <Lord_Set> Like being able to deploy for example 5 servers from bare metal, bring up an openstack cluster automatically with Juju and configure all the VM specific networking and place all the servers in either a private vlan or a virtual switch on the switch segemented from everyone else for a customer
[10:45] <Lord_Set> It is all super possible with the Nexus line
[10:46] <jtv> We just implemented the basics of VLAN support.  I do wonder what the dividing line between "configure network" and "describe network" will look like.
[10:47] <Lord_Set> I love the vlan support
[10:47] <Lord_Set> Have you played with Openstack at all?
[10:47] <lifeless> jtv: Neutron :)
[10:47] <Lord_Set> Neutron is amazing. I can't wait for the Nexus 1000V vswitch for Ubuntu
[10:49] <Lord_Set> jtv: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7004440/
[10:49] <jtv> That does tell us something.
[10:49] <Lord_Set> Going to run it on an HP server now
[10:49] <jtv> It looks like those empty slots all belong to a user named ' '.
[10:50] <jtv> I don't see how just a blank could have matched that regex though.
[10:51] <jtv> Ahhhh
[10:51] <jtv> Zero or more of [^# \t\r\n\v\f]* — probably zero in this case.
[10:51] <jtv> Followed by one or more [^\n]
[10:51] <jtv> — which would include the space!
[10:52] <jtv> Lord_Set: I think this version would give a different (and hopefully better) answer... http://paste.ubuntu.com/7004457/
[10:53] <Lord_Set> Hmm interesting. It just worked on this server. I wonder if the file on the maas controller is different from the one being tested now.
[10:54] <jtv> I'm filing a bug.
[10:55] <Lord_Set> Running the new version on the Dell server
[10:55] <Lord_Set> Going to test it on a different HP
[10:55] <Lord_Set> That worked for the Dell
[10:57] <Lord_Set> I just noticed something that would be beyond nice for this script... Well as an option for MAAS in general. Users should have the option to specify a static IP range for IPMI assignment. I know you can enable DHCP for the IPMI but that also opens up decent risks as well security wise.
[10:59] <Lord_Set> Anyways, nice work jtk. Fixed that bug as far as I can tell right now.
[11:01] <Lord_Set> err jtv
[11:02] <jtv> Lord_Set: https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1285607
[11:02] <Lord_Set> Awesome thanks
[11:02] <jtv> We're moving away from caring too much about IPMI IP addresses.
[11:02] <jtv> We'll use MACs instead.
[11:02] <jtv> Look up IPs on the fly.
[11:03] <Lord_Set> That works as well
[11:03] <jtv> I guess you could put the IPMI on a separate network, if you want good separation.
[11:03] <Lord_Set> But if a IPMI is already configued with an erroneus ip address from an old deployment it won't resolve in the new network
[11:04] <jtv> AIUI we'll do a fresh lookup every time we need it, and that will actually override the old configured IP address.
[11:04] <Lord_Set> Especially if it configured for vlan tagging
[11:05] <Lord_Set> Like for example that Dell server is on a <IP_ADDRESS>/24 network but the DRAC/IPMI is configured for the <IP_ADDRESS>/27 network...
[11:06] <Lord_Set> The rest of the IPMI are currently just on the <IP_ADDRESS>/24 as well for testing currently but in production they will be on a separate network in their own dedicated management/ipmi vlan.
[11:06] <jtv> Right.
[11:13] <Lord_Set> Anyways I am going to head home. It is 3am here and I have to be back for a meeting at 10:30.
[11:13] <Lord_Set> yay
[11:13] <jtv> Sleep harder!
[11:13] <jtv> nn
[11:13] <Lord_Set> Sleep is a rare commoditiy most days it feels like. Has been super crunch time trying to get things running and deployed these past few weeks.
[11:14] <Lord_Set> We gotta get our software developers working...
[11:50] <Settite_666> So where is the autodetect file location
[14:34] <Settite> Anyone around?
[14:34] <Settite> This is Lord_Set
[14:36] <Settite> I found an interesting issue with upgrading from 13.10 to 14.04 and upgrading MAAS along with it
[14:42] <roaksoax> Settite: here!
[14:42] <roaksoax> what issue did you find?
[14:44] <Settite> Awesome. So during the upgrade from 13.10 to 14.04 SSH keys seem to be regenerated
[14:44] <Settite> This obviously causes an issue when trying to authenticate with MAAS nodes that were spawned with a different ssh key that doesn't exist anymore.
[14:51] <roaksoax> robbiew: ^^
[14:51] <roaksoax> err
[14:52] <roaksoax> robbiew: sorry :)
[14:52] <roaksoax> rvba: ^^^
[14:53] <robbiew> lol
[14:56] <rvba> robbiew: it's becoming a classic :)
[14:58] <rvba> Settite: what SSH keys exactly?  Because MAAS only knows about the keys that you import.  It doesn't (re)generate them.
[15:04] <Settite> Correct. MAAS didn't regenerate the keys... Ubuntu did during the upgrade from 13 to 14. MAAS and the deployed nodes do not get updated based off of the key change.
[15:06] <rvba> Settite: I'm curious to know which keys were regenerated during an upgrade… ?
[15:08] <Set_Phone> The rsa pub and private keys I generated previously
[15:09] <rvba> You mean a public/private key pair in your home environment?
[15:10] <Set_Phone> Yes
[15:10] <Set_Phone> The only key pair I generated on the maas cluster controller
[15:10] <rvba> roaksoax: Why on earth would an upgrade touch these? ^
[15:11] <Set_Phone> I have no idea
[15:43] <Settite_666>  Does the MAAS team ever have community events or a podcast or regularly released videos or even a blog?
[15:49] <rvba> Set_Phone: The main community event for MAAS is UDS.
[15:49] <Set_Phone> Didn't know if you guys did anything more regular or not.
[22:46] <manjiri> hello! Is there a way to commission machines with custom image files?
[23:05] <bigjools> manjiri: you would need to replace the images in the TFTP path
[23:05] <bigjools> there's no easy way of doing this right now but it will get sorted out RSN
[23:06] <manjiri> bigjools: is there a detailed description of "how to" ?
[23:10] <bigjools> manjiri: 'fraid not
[23:11] <bigjools> the /var/lib/maas/ephemerals contain the images
[23:11] <bigjools> iirc
[23:12] <manjiri> bigjools: I am trying to understand the difference between "ephemerals" and "pxe files"
[23:12] <bigjools> manjiri: pxe files are the kernel and initd that the machine downloads to be able to net boot
[23:12] <bigjools> initrd, I mean
[23:13] <bigjools> ephemerals are the environment that is copied to tmpfs and mounted as root after booting
[23:13] <bigjools> or mounted with iScsi
[23:15] <manjiri> bigjools: Can you help me correlate that with an ISO for say, Precise 12.04.3 ?
[23:15] <bigjools> there are no isos involved here
[23:16] <bigjools> but a rough correlation would be that the iso is the equivalent of the ephemeral, and the pxe files are taken out of the iso so they can netboot the machine
[23:17] <manjiri> bigjools: yes, what I meant was, if I have an ISO, does it contain directly or indirectly the pxe files and ephemerals?
[23:17] <bigjools> have a look at the maas-import-pxe-files and maas-import-ephemerals scripts in maas
[23:17] <bigjools> indirectly it does, I think
[23:20] <manjiri> bigjools: I will take a look. Thanks for your help. (You can ignore the email I had sent earlier.)
[23:20] <bigjools> heh ok
[23:23] <manjiri> bigjools: on second thoughts, if you could send me a reply, I can tell my boss that it has been confirmed that this is not officially supported. (I assume you are an authority?)
[23:23] <bigjools> you assume correctly
[23:26] <bigjools> manjiri: thinking about it, maas uses the simplestreams library to download ephemerals, so you could just write a simplestreams source to serve up custom images
[23:29] <manjiri> bigjools: My interest primarily stems from the fact that my software includes a kernel module which is build against a particular kernel. I would like to make sure that kernel is the one that maas uses.
[23:29] <roaksoax> bigjools: /win 7
[23:29] <roaksoax> err
[23:29] <roaksoax> :)
[23:30] <bigjools> roaksoax: I would never use Windows 7
[23:30] <roaksoax> lol
[23:31] <manjiri> bigjools: Why so partial towards Windows 8 ?? j/k
[23:31] <bigjools> don't even joke about it :)
[23:39] <manjiri> bigjools: :-) My understanding of the ephemerals vs pxe files needs to be refined before I can tell whether simplestreams library will be of use. I am still not sure which will allow me to pin down the kernel module compatibility.


[00:24] <bazhang> Jordan_U, thats what coover55 was saying he did
[00:24] <bazhang> then he backtracked and said he used unetbootin or the like
[03:05] <rww> IdleOne: psh, so impatient
[09:01] <k1l_> !guidelines > one
[12:56] <BeachBall> is stuff i say in here, confidental?
[12:56] <k1l> no
[12:57] <k1l> this channel is logged. but how can we help you?
[12:57] <BeachBall> i'll pm someone later, and ask that way.
[13:13] <Pici> bad idea
[14:04] <phunyguy> sydney: are you the same person as "ideas123"
[14:06] <sydney> Yes Phunyguy, als Why did I get banned from the #ubuntu channel?
[14:07] <phunyguy> sydney: if I had to guess, it was because you were posting offtopic a couple times with links to "lmgtfy.com"
[14:07] <phunyguy> you do realize, that isn't what that channel is for, right?
[14:09] <sydney> Sorry,I wasn't sure what channel to do thad through.
[14:09] <sydney> I need to work on my typing. :)
[14:10] <phunyguy> yeah, and I suppose someone could've told you.....  I will get the ban removed.  Please keep all offtopic chat in #ubuntu-offtopic.  :)
[14:11] <phunyguy> sydney: also, please keep the guidelines in mind when using the channels.
[14:11] <phunyguy> !guidelines > sydney
[14:12] <phunyguy> sydney: your ban has been removed.  Is there anything else I can help you with?
[14:13] <sydney> Also May I ask How do i log back in on a 12.04 live cd,beckause it says I need my username and pasword,and i didn't know a live cd had one.
[14:13] <phunyguy> sydney: I would really rather you ask that in the official support channel. :)
[14:13] <phunyguy> also, I don't know.
[14:13] <sydney>  ok I will,thanks.
[14:13] <phunyguy> you're welcome.
[14:13] <phunyguy> bah
[18:51] <daftykins> i have another troll returning for a second day, in #ubuntu
[18:51] <daftykins> jdoles is the name, frustrating dafty and others is the game
[18:51] <daftykins> he feeds users misinformation and generally hassles me
[18:51] <daftykins> it'd be very nice if someone could eject him promptly
[18:54] <IdleOne> looking
[18:54] <daftykins> he's kinda feigning help giving right now
[18:55] <Pici> he has a bit of a history in the bantracker, but not anything yet this year.
[18:57] <daftykins> excellent
[18:57] <jdoles> So, what is it this time?
[18:57] <Pici> Welcome back.
[18:57] <jdoles> It's true, isn't it?
[18:57] <Pici> Hm?
[18:58] <jdoles> I merely see that I am communicating a fact which is against the interest of the Canonical corporation.
[18:58] <phunyguy> It's true that you weren't *really* being helpful...
[18:58] <jdoles> And bam, +q.
[18:58] <jdoles> Inexperienced people should not run systems which require intelligence to run.
[18:59] <phunyguy> #ubuntu is for actual support not propaganda against Canonical.  Ubuntu IRC support community is NOT Canonical.
[18:59] <Pici> #ubuntu is the support channel for all supported releases of Ubuntu, not somewhere that you can stand on your soapbox and impose your personal agenda on people.
[18:59] <jdoles> Ubuntu IRC is Canonical, it's just that you don't want anyone to know that.
[18:59] <hggdh> ...
[18:59] <jdoles> No matter how many times you repeat that it isn't.
[18:59] <phunyguy> *sigh*, yes Canonical pays us all.
[18:59] <hggdh> I wish...
[18:59] <phunyguy> except not a single penny.
[18:59] <jdoles> Most of you probably, yes.
[19:00] <phunyguy> hggdh: you didn't receive your check this month?
[19:00] <jdoles> Not easy to check for me, nor do I care. I can see enough by the kinds of things which are allowed in the channel.
[19:00] <hggdh> phunyguy: seems to have been lost, as all previous ones
[19:00] <jdoles> Anyway, how many of you dimwits has a PhD in CS?
[19:00] <phunyguy> I think this conversation is over.
[19:00] <DJones> What is allowed, as Pici said is support for all supported releases of Ubuntu
[19:00] <hggdh> I, for one?
[19:01] <jdoles> hggdh: from which institution?
[19:01] <hggdh> jdoles: does it really matter? Anyway I, for one, do not really trust PhDs (including myself)
[19:01] <Pici> I don't see how it matters.  Anyway, it seems (again) that you are unwilling to follow our channel guidelines.
[19:01] <jdoles> Anyway, if you had any balls, you would just say things related to the subject.
[19:02] <jdoles> But since what I say holds vacuously, it's kind of hard to argue.
[19:02] <daftykins> oh it's always so nice to see an opinion confirmed :)
[19:02] <daftykins> thanks all \o
[19:02] <jdoles> 12.04 is by definition more stable and less broken than newer versions.
[19:02] <IdleOne> what you say means nothing.  If you are not happy, please move on
[19:04] <phunyguy> that one ahs 5 years for server and desktop, just like 12.04
[19:04] <phunyguy> has*
[19:04] <phunyguy> but that is not a topic for this channel.
[19:05] <phunyguy> it is also not a topic for #ubuntu
[19:05] <jdoles> So, merely the action of doing +q and everyone who agrees with that action is instantly disqualified from being someone I respect.
[19:05] <phunyguy> the feeling is probably mutual with that attitude.
[19:05] <jdoles> hggdh: that's just such a fucking pathetic excuse.
[19:05] <hggdh> jdoles: we can live with that.
[19:06] <jdoles> phunyguy: you didn't say you had a PhD, so I cannot trust you have any intelligence, sorry.
[19:06] <phunyguy> if you have no other questions, please part the channel.
[19:06] <jussi> jdoles: arguments like canonical is wrong are meant for #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic, not for a support channel
[19:06] <phunyguy> (I also never said I didn't)
[19:06] <Pricey> jdoles: We had a chat a few days ago? Maybe we can continue it in /msg ?
[19:06] <jussi> so its not about silencing the argument, its about venue
[19:06] <hggdh> jdoles: just a comment: having a PhD does not prove inteligence, just persistence.
[19:07] <jdoles> hggdh: I know that lots of people graduate who shouldn't.
[19:07] <jdoles> hggdh: but it's just a probability thing.
[19:07] <hggdh> proba what?
[19:08] <phunyguy> how 2 computer?
[19:08] <jdoles> There is only one valid response to this:
[19:08] <jdoles> DIAF.
[22:56] <one> ikonia: what process ran the ban?
[22:56] <IdleOne> one: it looks like you got banned for being silly and off topic
[22:57] <IdleOne> at first it looked like you had a real support question and when trism tried to help you started asking nonsensical questions
[22:59] <IdleOne> one: #ubuntu is for ubuntu support only, if you want to chat, be silly, there is #ubuntu-offtopic which you seem to have found.
[22:59] <IdleOne> Does any of this make sense to you?
[23:00] <one> ok
[23:00] <one> if you say so
[23:01] <IdleOne> Do me a favour and make sure you read the guidelines for using ubuntu channels
[23:01] <IdleOne> !guidelines
[23:01] <one> unban me for support
[23:01] <IdleOne> Please read the guidelines first and let me know if you agree to follow them
[23:02] <one> IdleOne: don't you get it?
[23:02] <IdleOne> get what?
[23:03] <one> it was a pre-emptive strike
[23:03] <IdleOne> no it wasn't
[23:04] <one> IdleOne: by what evidence do you claim to differ?
[23:04] <IdleOne> just for arguments sake, even if it was you had already demonstrated your intention to be off topic and silly
[23:04] <one> not so
[23:05] <one> it is important for ubuntu to be used properly
[23:05] <IdleOne> Do you want to be unbanned from #ubuntu?
[23:05] <one> I have asked you to unban me
[23:06] <IdleOne> Then I need you to read  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines and agree to follow the guidelines
[23:06] <one> I don't need that
[23:06] <one> I need an agreement
[23:06] <IdleOne> in that case, no.
[23:06] <IdleOne> Please leave this channel.
[23:07] <one> I desire life
[23:08] <IdleOne> Seek it and you shall find it
[23:08] <one> that includes certain modes of operation
[23:08] <IdleOne> but not in here
[23:08] <one> all of creation must 'bend knee'
[23:08] <one> including calculators
[23:10] <IdleOne> This right here is not helping you in any way to disprove that your intentions are to be silly and waste our time
[23:16] <peyam> hi again
[23:16] <peyam> what is this?
[23:16] <peyam> knome, why does it forward me to ubuntu-op?
[23:17] <knome> 01:05  trey: i have a 8 g sd card and i can only access 5 g  help
[23:17] <knome> 01:05  peyam: so what?
[23:17] <knome> i've noticed you of your attitude before.
[23:17] <knome> this is unacceptable.
[23:17] <peyam> yes? so what+ you still can make a startup usb in 5
[23:18] <peyam> why is it an attitude problem do you think?
[23:18] <peyam> already told him to format the device
[23:18] <knome> how is it not an attitude problem that you only care about your own issues?
[23:18] <peyam> i was trying to help.
[23:18] <knome> by saying "so what?" and leaving?
[23:18] <peyam> you have something personal with me ha?
[23:19] <peyam> becouse i restart my freaking pc
[23:19] <peyam> you saw my conversation with gridhube
[23:19] <knome> don't turn the discussion away from your behavior
[23:19] <knome> i had a long discussion with you the last time in PM
[23:19] <knome> talking about your attirude
[23:19] <knome> *attitude
[23:19] <knome> and you agreed
[23:20] <knome> and now you repeat the unwanted behavior
[23:20] <peyam> I dont have a attitude . you watch me with dirty glasses
[23:20] <peyam> whatever i write u say that's a bad attitude
[23:20] <knome> am i supposed to let it slip time and time again?
[23:20] <peyam> There isn't attitude
[23:20] <bazhang> others notice it too peyam
[23:20] <knome> since you seem to think i have something against you personally, i'll let somebody else deal with you on resolving the ban
[23:21] <peyam> bazhang, you are not right.
[23:21] <peyam> knome, you want to ban me?
[23:22] <peyam> I need to talk to grid***. this is important. please understand. when the issue is fixed you can bann me
[23:23] <bazhang> peyam, you are already banned
[23:23] <peyam> allright!
[23:23] <peyam> see you around


[00:23] <BiggFREE> Hi
[00:29] <joaojeronimo> Hi everyone, I'm having trouble setting up dual monitors... I tryed X -configure :1 and generated an xorg.conf file and I tried using it... Both monitors turn on (one of them was on standby) but they both only display a black screen... Here is my xorg,conf file:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/452232/  Can someone help me with this please ?
[01:20] <lcx> hello
[01:22] <Typos_King> allo
[01:27] <harmandeep> Hi guys
[01:27] <harmandeep> can anyone can help with Netgear WG 311v3 Drivers Installation in Ubuntu 10.04 64 Bit | via ndiswrappers ?
[01:27] <harmandeep> ?
[01:50] <Xepera> I accidentally removed my KDE "task bar" (the one that shows running tasks, clock, etc).  What widget needs to be added to get it back?
[01:59] <ilumi> i have a text file which i can not edit, need help
[01:59] <DarthFrog> ilumi: Why can't you edit the file?
[02:00] <ilumi> DarthFrog, i dont know, i try to type or paste stuff into it, and nothing happens
[02:00] <DarthFrog> ilumi: What file? What editor?
[02:01] <ilumi> DarthFrog, normal .txt file, it was made on linux, but i added the .txt later, and trying to edit with kate
[02:02] <DarthFrog> Does kate load the file?
[02:02] <ilumi> yeah it loads and displays it
[02:02] <DarthFrog> What are the file's permissions?
[02:03] <ilumi> DarthFrog, read and write on everything, my username as owner and group
[02:04] <DarthFrog> So what happens when you try to save the file after editing it?
[02:04] <DarthFrog> And please don't say "nothing".
[02:04] <DarthFrog> :-)
[02:04] <ilumi> well, i cant input any new characters
[02:04] <ilumi> so i have to say nothing
[02:04] <DarthFrog> So you can't edit the file?
[02:04] <DarthFrog> Editing and saving are different operations.
[02:05] <ilumi> when i hit save it prompts me to save as a new file
[02:06] <DarthFrog> And can you do that?
[02:06] <ilumi> yes but it doesnt save anything new, because i cant input anything
[02:07] <DarthFrog> Nevermind that right now.  Can you save the file as a copy of the original file?  Can you edit & save the copy properly?
[02:08] <ilumi> i can save the copy, but i cant edit the copy either
[02:08] <DarthFrog> If so, edit the copy, save it then delete the original file and rename the copy to the name you want..
[02:08] <DarthFrog> Hmm.  Bizarre.
[02:08] <DarthFrog> If you can save the copy, then the file system is mounted rw.  So that's out.
[02:09] <Dragnslcr> Kate will let you edit a file even if you can't save it
[02:09] <DarthFrog> Can you open a terminal and type "lsattr <filename" where <filename> is the name of the problem child.
[02:09] <Dragnslcr> I would guess that it's an encoding issue
[02:09] <ilumi> but i can edit it with open office
[02:10] <DarthFrog> And leave the terminal window open, cuz we're going to vi next. :-)
[02:11] <DarthFrog> Here's an idea: install kwrite and see if that solves the problem.
[02:11] <ilumi> lsattr shows -----------------e- 1.txt
[02:11] <Ezro> Hey, can someone help me get my graphics card to work please?
[02:12] <Ezro> Last time I tried I destroyed X and couldn't login
[02:12] <Ezro> lol
[02:12] <ilumi> Ezro, whats the problem
[02:12] <Ezro> I want to play my game on a clean install of kubuntu, my graphics card is an 8600 GT
[02:13] <Ezro> And I don't know what to do.
[02:13] <DarthFrog> ilumi:  The "..e" means that the file is using extents on the file system.  But it is not marked immutable.
[02:13] <Ezro> Last time I tried installing the driver from nvidia's page.
[02:13] <Ezro> That just borked everything.
[02:13] <ilumi> Ezro, you should be able to install a driver with the hardware drivers
[02:14] <ilumi> option
[02:14] <Ezro> The hardware drivers installed something weird last time
[02:14] <Ezro> That didn't work
[02:14] <ilumi> it should
[02:14] <DarthFrog> should and does are two different things. :-)
[02:14] <ilumi> DarthFrog, ok, not sure what that means
[02:15] <DarthFrog> ilumi: Install kwrite and try that as an editor.
[02:15] <ilumi> DarthFrog, ok will try thank you
[02:16] <Ezro> ilumi: I see 3 options for NVIDIA: 173, 96 and current (recommended)
[02:16] <Ezro> Do I just activate current and then restart?
[02:16] <ilumi> Ezro, yup, wait for it to install
[02:17] <DarthFrog> Ezro: Don't go for current.
[02:17] <Ezro> Why not?
[02:17] <DarthFrog> Not with a card that old.
[02:17] <DarthFrog> Try the 96 drivers first.
[02:17] <Ezro> ?
[02:20] <ilumi> Ezro, i say go for current, but you should fine out how to uninstall them from the command prompt, if you want to get back to the desktop when they dont work
[02:23] <ilumi> DarthFrog, hey  kwrite cant edit it either
[02:24] <DarthFrog> ilumi: Do you know how to use vi?
[02:24] <ilumi> DarthFrog, yes, do you know if there is a command to reset all permissions/
[02:25] <DarthFrog> Use "chmod" to change permissions
[02:25] <DarthFrog> "chmod 660 <filename>" should be sufficient.
[02:27] <DarthFrog> But before that, how about trying "ls -lah <filename>" and pasting the single line result here?
[02:27] <Ezro> So I went with 96 first
[02:27] <Ezro> And I rebooted into command prompt
[02:28] <ilumi> DarthFrog,  -rwxrwxrwx 1 ilumi ilumi 11K 2010-06-13 03:39 1.txt
[02:28] <DarthFrog> What happens if you type "startx"?  If it fails, what error is given by /var/log/Xorg.0.log.
[02:28] <DarthFrog> ilumi: You don't need to reset those permissions.  :-) that's wide open!
[02:29] <Ezro> DarthFrog: Could not open the devile file /dev/nvidia0
[02:29] <DarthFrog> ilumi: That's 777 permissions.  The file is set as excutable, BTW.
[02:30] <ilumi> DarthFrog, yes, i unchecked executable, but i still cant edit
[02:30] <DarthFrog> Ezro: Nuisance.  Beyond me right now.  But that's the scotch whiskey effect. :-)
[02:31] <Ezro> Do you know how to get rid of the driver?
[02:31] <DarthFrog> ilumi: Can you cut 'n paste the contents of the file into a new, empty file?
[02:31] <ilumi> DarthFrog, and yes vi can also edit it
[02:32] <ilumi> but not kate or kwrite :o(
[02:32] <DarthFrog> ilumi: OK, so you can edit the file.  Sounds like a bug with the KDE editors.
[02:33] <DarthFrog> Ezro: What do you get from "dpkg --list | grep -i nvidia"?
[02:34] <Ezro> nvidia-173-modaliases, nvidia-96, -96-modaliases, -common, -current, -current-modaliases
[02:34] <ilumi> DarthFrog, yes, that works, its a bug, because that text file was created on arch i think
[02:34] <ilumi> or some other distro
[02:34] <DarthFrog> Ezro: Then "sudo apt-get remove --purge <package>", using those package names will get rid of them.
[02:35] <DarthFrog> ilumi: A text file is a text file is a text file.
[02:35] <DarthFrog> Or should be.
[02:36] <ilumi> DarthFrog, it should be, its really annoying though
[02:37] <DarthFrog> ilumi: If you can work around it, do so and get on with your life.  That kind of stuff happens to me all the time and I can't be bothered getting my knickers in a knot over it.  Pragmatism is preferable to perfection.
[02:38] <ilumi> DarthFrog, yeah you right, i only have 2, but it could be a problem if someone has many
[02:40] <Ezro> What do I do now
[02:40] <Ezro> I can't get back into X
[02:40] <Ezro> This is the same problem I had before
[02:44] <Ezro> Anyone have any ideas on how to fix?
[02:45] <ilumi> Ezro, uninstall the driver
[02:46] <Ezro> I removed everything I could from that list.
[02:46] <Ezro> And I still can't boot.
[02:46] <Ezro> into X, that is
[02:46] <Ezro> I can boot just fine
[02:46] <ilumi> what did you remove?
[02:46] <ilumi> and how
[02:46] <Ezro> "sudo apt-get remove --purge" everything from "dpkg --list | grep -i nvidia"
[02:48] <ilumi> i dont think thats a good way to remove it, you could remove some other files that are needed
[02:49] <Ezro> Well
[02:49] <Ezro> Darth told me to do that.
[02:49] <ilumi> what you should have done is to search for nvidia, and it would tell you which packages were installed
[02:49] <ilumi> and then remove the driver by name, nothing else
[02:50] <ilumi> now search for nvidia
[02:50] <ilumi> and install the latest driver
[02:50] <Ezro> If I knew how to do any of those things, I would be using Gentoo.
[02:50] <ilumi> then reboot
[02:50] <ilumi> aptitude search nvidia
[02:51] <ilumi> then aptitude install packagename
[02:51] <ilumi> as sudo
[02:52] <ilumi> sudo aptitude install packagename
[02:53] <Ezro> There's a bunch of stuff from search nvidia
[02:53] <ilumi> well look for the driver
[02:53] <ilumi> you said 175 or something
[02:54] <Ezro> I'm going to just get current.
[02:56] <ilumi> ok
[02:56] <Ezro> Ya, I just installed and rebooted
[02:56] <Ezro> and X still won't start.
[02:57] <ilumi> so type start x
[02:57] <ilumi> start
[02:57] <ilumi> x
[02:57] <ilumi> damn
[02:57] <ilumi> startX
[02:57] <Ezro> I tried that and it didn't work
[02:57] <ilumi> so open the log file that darth was talking about and see what it says
[02:58] <ilumi> cd /etc/X11
[02:58] <ilumi> ls
[02:58] <ilumi> vi or vim thelogfilename
[02:58] <ilumi> or whatever else if you are on gnome
[02:58] <ilumi> gedit
[02:59] <Ezro> I think I'm done with this -_-"
[03:00] <Ezro> As I said, if I wanted this work I'd just install Gentoo.
[03:00] <ilumi> yeah its not easy to get along with linux
[03:01] <ilumi> there used to be a command to reconfigure the xserver, but i think they got rid of it,
[03:01] <ilumi> and i dont know how to reconfigure it now
[03:02] <ilumi> and no one knows i guess
[03:04] <ilumi> try ubuntu channel there are more people there
[03:05] <ilumi> maybe someone knows
[03:08] <denis> algun español?
[03:08] <ilumi> Ezro, see if this command works - sudo dpkg-reconfig xserver-xorg
[03:08] <denis> SPANISH?
[03:09] <ilumi> Ezro, or sudo nvidia-xconfig
[03:09] <ilumi> !es
[03:12] <DarthFrog> ilumi: Purging the nvidia packages isn't going to cause any problems that Ezro doesn't already have.  At least now he doesn't have any stale files/drivers hanging around.
[03:13] <DarthFrog> Ezro: Have you tried the nv driver?  It'll give you X but not 3D.
[03:21] <DarthFrog> Ezro: Is there a xorg.conf.failsafe file in /etc/X11?  If so, then "sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.failsafe /etc/X11/xorg.conf" and reboot.
[03:32] <draik> apparle: Are you still around?
[03:32] <apparle> draik: yup
[03:32] <draik> Blueskaj: Are you still around?
[03:33] <draik> apparle: Still no audio from Firefox or VLC
[03:33] <apparle> draik: :( I seriously don't know... what all have you tried
[03:34] <draik> apparle: Everthing I've been given I've tried. I'm not sure what I could be missing to make this work. I have audio when I log in and when I use Amarok.
[03:34] <apparle> draik: ok try this, select the audio device as OSS in vlc
[03:36] <draik> apparle: Just did it and it's not producing output
[03:36] <apparle> draik: did you restart vlc after that
[03:37] <draik> apparle: Just did and still nothing
[03:37] <apparle> draik: no idea, then...
[03:37] <draik> apparle: OK.Thanks for your help
[04:07] <ilumi> draik, you have no sound?
[04:36] <apparle> hey anyone knows any freenode server listening at port 443
[05:17] <draik> ilumi: Sorry, I had to step away.
[05:17] <draik> ilumi: I have sound with Amarok, but not with VLC or Firefox
[05:17] <ilumi> thats weird
[05:18] <ilumi> you have pulse alsa or what
[05:19] <draik> I have VLC set to Alsa right now. I don't have pulseaudio installed so I don't think that's an option
[05:19] <ilumi> see if you have alsa-oss installed
[05:20] <draik> I don't. Let me install it really quick
[05:20] <ilumi> i dont know much about it, when i have sound problem i just install alsa and alsa-oss and things work
[05:22] <draik> That didn't do anything for me
[05:24] <draik> I restarted Firefox along with VLC; still no change
[05:24] <doodu> hi
[05:35] <ilumi> hi
[05:36] <ilumi> draik, i say uninstall and purge alsa and alsa oss then reinstall, and revert back if you did any changes in the players settings
[05:57] <draik> ilumi: OK
[05:58] <ilumi> thats all i know,
[06:26] <jaldhar> Hello.  Did the latest updates to lucid kill knetworkmanager or is it just me?
[06:26] <jaldhar> I noticed solid was upgraded.
[07:32] <trupheenix> hi
[07:32] <trupheenix> how do i change my theme? i want everything to be glassified. how can i do this?
[07:33] <maco> systemsettings -> appearance -> windows
[07:33] <maco> choose the "aurorae" theme
[07:34] <maco> er aurorae engine....thingy
[07:34] <maco> and then use the Get New Themes (or whatever it is) button to get aurorae themes
[07:34] <maco> aurorae is the glassy engine
[07:35] <trupheenix> maco: ok
[07:35] <trupheenix>  maco: kde is so damn confusing
[07:36] <maco> systemsettings could use some work, yeah.... it got some major reworking in kde 4.5 which'll be in 10.10
[07:39] <charlescarmichae> can anyone tell me how to set different activities per desktop in kde 4.5?
[07:48] <trupheenix> maco: so weird
[07:48] <trupheenix> maco: why can't everything be consistent? i don't like so many options :(
[07:48] <trupheenix> maco: i changed the window appearance with aurora but it looks so bad now
[07:48] <trupheenix> maco: the widgets look out of place
[07:50] <maco> i dont know... i dont use window decorations (i use xmonad not kwin) at all, so ive never played with that customization
[07:51] <Lightning> bazhang:  MY network is fucked again
[07:51] <Lightning> Can you help?
[07:54] <Lightning> Anybody here really. My network manager is showing the disconnected icon and whenever I right click I only get the 'network manager is disabled' option. I can't connect by LAN wither. I ran  lshw and it said DISBALED next to network
[07:54] <Lightning> How do I re-enable it?
[07:55] <Ezros> Hey, can someone help me with my audio please?
[07:56] <Ezros> Under the system settings -> multimedia, the test works fine
[07:56] <Ezros> But I don't get any sound on my browser or on any program.
[07:56] <mfraz74> Lightning: have you got anything added to /etc/network/interfaces?
[07:58] <Lightning> No
[07:58] <Lightning> I just folowed a forum staff member's post on this service network-manager stop
[07:58] <Lightning> rm /var/lib/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.state
[07:58] <Lightning> service network-manager start
[07:58] <Lightning> the commands start at service
[08:02] <Ezros> Anyone know how to fix my problem?
[08:04] <Lightning> Check your volume
[08:04] <Ezros> -_-
[08:04] <Lightning> http://newyork.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9338814
[08:04] <Lightning> Might help. Just found it
[08:06] <Lightning> And for anyone having the same problem as me http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1451064
[08:06] <Ezros> I think I fixed it
[08:07] <Ezros> I had to update my software, I think lol
[08:07] <Lightning> lol
[08:07] <Lightning> Try it out then
[08:07] <Lightning> Oh yay it's working aghain!
[08:07] <Lightning> all you have to do is run: sudo rm /var/lib/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.state
[08:09] <jaldhar> Lightning: that's it?  You don't have to restart network-manager?
[08:14] <_jaldhar> Lightning: if you come back THANKS!  I've been banging my head against this problem for a while now.
[08:37] <trupheenix> how do i get the battery plasmoid to show my how much time is remaining on my battery?
[09:55] <CocoA> こんにちは～
[11:00] <amichair> is it possible to use Kate without it trying to write out config files etc.? or some other way to edit root or other user's files with Kate?
[11:21] <abo-faisal> سلام يا عرب
[11:40] <Peace-> amichair: ?
[11:40] <Peace-> what do you want do ?
[11:40] <Peace-> you wanna edit some files with kate like super user ?
[11:40] <amichair> Peace-: in particular, edit web files (user www-data) using Kate
[11:40] <Peace-> create a laucher
[11:41] <amichair> Peace-: launcher?
[11:41] <amichair> Peace-: the problem is when kate starts it tries writing all sorts of .kde files under /var/www (in this case) and fails to start. Any way to run it without it trying to save config?
[11:42] <Peace-> mmm
[11:42] <Peace-> i think no
[11:42] <Peace-> or maybe
[11:42] <Peace-> just wait a second
[11:43] <Peace-> no way
[11:43] <Peace->  kate [-s, --start name] [-u, --use] [-p, --pid pid] [-e, --encoding name] [-l, --line line]
[11:43] <Peace->             [-c, --column column] [-i, --stdin] [KDE Generic Options] [Qt Generic Options]
[11:44] <amichair> so it looks like I'm stuck with vi :-/
[12:04] <wedo> where can i paste the console output?
[12:05] <amichair> !pastebin
[12:12] <e01> what videocard i had to have, to get a smooth resizable windows in kde
[12:13] <e01> now i am with integrated gf6100 and when try to resize windows i have to wait a little bit
[12:15] <kleopatra> hello, anyone here?
[12:16] <amichair> yes, just ask away. If someone can help, they will.
[12:16] <starslights> e01:  well i think that's a really old nvidia card no ?
[12:16] <e01> starslights: it`s not really new
[12:17] <e01> but with compiz i get better results :(
[12:18] <kleopatra> ok, my question is whether i can assume that the time a cpu will need to access L2 Cache is constant. And the same with the main memory. I hope u understand what i mean
[12:19] <starslights> well devs will more able to answer than me but i have a 9600 or soemthink like that and to run all new features, it i don't see how old card can handle it if you don't disable some options, wait to have a good answer :P
[12:20] <amichair> kleopatra: it depends on the level of accuracy you need... you can always assume things if the assumptions give you good enough results :-)
[12:29] <kleopatra> amichair: well some kind of difficult, i have a problem here where i want to point out that the time the computer needed to solve some problems depends on the Cachemisses, but the correlation coefficient isnt the way i expected it to be
[12:38] <amichair> kleopatra: in general, you can assume that each level of cache/RAM/disk has a different, more or less constant access time. Other than that, the question is too vague, and not really related to kubuntu.
[12:39] <kleopatra> amichair: i know its kinda ot but who can i ask? id like to join some channel for this problem but i dont know what to look for
[12:41] <amichair> kleopatra: I'm not sure myself where to ask about such topics
[12:48] <trupheenix> hi is there any plasmoid for korganizer?
[13:27] <BluesKaj> howdy folks
[13:27] <amichair> hey BluesKaj
[13:27] <BluesKaj> hi amichair
[13:28] <jaime> hi, how do i find out the proper channel names to use in a construct like 'qdbus org.kde.kmix /Mixer0 org.kde.KMix.increaseVolume Line:0'?
[13:32] <poyntz> how do i get the plasma notes widgit for the latest kubuntu?
[14:11] <slow-motion> hi
[14:40] <poyntz> !chrome
[14:41] <poyntz> why is chrome not in the lucid reps?
[14:42] <bazhang> poyntz, you may be looking for chromium-browser
[14:42] <poyntz> ty baz
[14:42] <bazhang> !info chromium-browser
[14:42] <poyntz> gah
[14:42] <poyntz> i needed something else :S
[14:42] <poyntz> was just wondering how I can get flash to work fully
[14:42] <poyntz> in chrome that is
[14:43] <poyntz> but it applies to konqueror as well
[14:43] <poyntz> so i'm thinking it's the flash package
[14:43] <James147> poyntz: do you have it installed? (flashplugin-installer)
[14:43] <poyntz> yep. the latest
[14:44] <poyntz> i could give you the address of the page i'm struggling with, but you'll need to register an account to see it
[14:44] <poyntz> *webpage
[14:46] <trupheenix> how do i drag windows across desktops?
[14:48] <James147> trupheenix: cant remember where it is in 4.4 (they are moving things around in 4.5 :S) but its in system settings > Window behavoiur> Screen edge > "Switch desktop on edge"
[14:48] <trupheenix> how do i drag windows aross desktops
[14:49] <slow-motion> re
[14:50] <trupheenix> slow-motion: ?
[14:50] <poyntz> your method doesn't work for the latest version of kde i think tru
[14:50] <trupheenix> poyntz: why ? :'(
[14:51] <trupheenix> poyntz: it was so easy under gnome just drag it and the cube spun around
[14:51] <poyntz> not sure but i just tried myself to verify and the option wasn't there
[14:51] <poyntz> lol
[14:51] <poyntz> i set it on the last version
[14:51]  * trupheenix hates kde
[14:51] <poyntz> so i don't have the problem
[14:51] <poyntz> :)
[14:51] <trupheenix> will switch back to lxde
[14:51] <poyntz> but yeah true, it should be a default
[14:51] <James147> poyntz: I still ahve the option in kde 4.5 beta so it should still be on 4.4
[14:51] <trupheenix> was no frills but worked
[14:52] <James147> just they keep moving it around :)
[14:52] <poyntz> James147: strange. I promise I've got no option called 'screen edge' in window behaviour :/
[14:52] <James147> poyntz: on kde 4.5 beta? its in a different place on 4.4
[14:53] <poyntz> James147: i'm on the kubuntu lucid, not quite sure how to check my kde version :/
[14:53] <poyntz> i'd give you the specifics if i could
[14:54] <James147> poyntz: any kde application > help > about KDE
[14:54] <poyntz> i'm on 4.4.2
[14:55] <poyntz> so this is strange :/
[14:55] <James147> poyntz: yeah, they you have the option, its jsut not in the same place... but i cant remember where it is exatly
[14:55] <James147> poyntz: might be under desktop :S
[14:55] <poyntz> i'm trying that lol
[14:55] <poyntz> i'm fine. i've already enabled :)
[14:56] <poyntz> i'm just trying to help tru out
[14:57] <poyntz> trupheenix: try this: Desktop -> Screen Edges -> and select 'Always Enabled' from the drop down menu next to "Switch desktop on edge'
[14:58] <poyntz> trupheenix: then click Apply
[14:59] <poyntz> trupheenix: did you get that?
[14:59] <trupheenix> poyntz: nope
[14:59] <trupheenix> poyntz: got disconnected
[14:59] <poyntz> trupheenix: try this: Desktop -> Screen Edges -> and select 'Always Enabled' from the drop down menu next to "Switch desktop on edge'
[14:59] <poyntz> trupheenix: then click Apply
[15:00] <trupheenix> poyntz: found
[15:00] <poyntz> :)
[15:00] <trupheenix> poyntz: kde needs to take lessons from gnome in simplicity of UI
[15:00] <trupheenix> poyntz: kde is like windoz
[15:00] <poyntz> agreed
[15:00] <trupheenix> poyntz: too many options
[15:00] <trupheenix> poyntz: ultimate confusion
[15:01] <trupheenix> poyntz: gnome is like mac. simple and clean.
[15:01] <poyntz> lol. i like it cause it's sexy
[15:01] <trupheenix> poyntz: yet powerful
[15:01] <poyntz> but i have to disagree with windows vs mac
[15:01] <poyntz> to me mac is really complicated
[15:01] <poyntz> and windows is really simple
[15:01] <poyntz> but i agree with you on the kde vs gnome comparison
[15:02] <James147> I dont find kdes settings that complicated... they have been moving things around abit too much :) but usually for a good reason
[15:03] <poyntz> James147: i think he's talking about 'systems settings' specifically
[15:03] <poyntz> James147: it's difficult to know what fits under desktop and window behaviour
[15:03] <James147> poyntz: as am I :S
[15:03] <poyntz> James147: not sure if there's a tutorial anywhere either
[15:03] <poyntz> James147: also the fact they keep changing stuff around doesn't help :P
[15:04] <trupheenix> James147: obviously u don't use any apple products or gnome
[15:04] <trupheenix> James147: start using and u will find simplicity
[15:04] <James147> poyntz: they have been looking at that and are moving things to where they are more suited... as why that setting is now under window behavoiur (also they got rid of the advanced tab)(
[15:04] <trupheenix> James147: their UIs are much simpler and organized than kde
[15:04] <trupheenix> James147: but KDE is sexy no doubt :) looks damn good
[15:04] <James147> trupheenix: I found they ui too restrictive and I couldent find some of the option i wanted (they didnt exist)
[15:05] <poyntz> trupheenix: i disagree somewhat and agree somewhat
[15:05] <trupheenix> poyntz James147: well yea true
[15:05] <trupheenix> poyntz: James147 but simplicity rules for most people
[15:05] <poyntz> trupheenix: i find with all the right settings enabled the kde interface is a lot better for window management etc.
[15:05] <James147> trupheenix: and you have to keep in mind that kde 4 is fairly new and evolving rapidly, they move things to better locations every verssion (which is anoying at the time but better in the future)
[15:06] <poyntz> trupheenix: also i favour the programs that come preinstalled with kde over the default gnome ones
[15:06] <James147> poyntz: same here
[15:06] <trupheenix> poyntz: one of the thinks i like about gnome is the absence of an apply button. u choose an option and it gets applied. u can actually see how it will look like. incase u don't like it u can press cancel and it's gone! :)
[15:06] <James147> poyntz: about the only window managmet option I hanve is the "click to focus" setting
[15:06] <James147> i have changed ^^
[15:07] <trupheenix> poyntz: personally i think empathy or pidgin are much better options than kopete.
[15:07] <trupheenix> poyntz: quassel irc is nice
[15:07] <poyntz> trupheenix: true. the thing is competing OSs / window manager teams have a tendency to want to make things quite different from each other. Take windows/mac for example and how mac puts the minimise/close buttons on the left, but windows puts them on the right
[15:07] <poyntz> James147: true. the thing is competing OSs / window manager teams have a tendency to want to make things quite different from each other. Take windows/mac for example and how mac puts the minimise/close buttons on the left, but windows puts them on the right
[15:08] <poyntz> trupheenix: sorry my last message to you was supposed to be for James147 :P
[15:09] <James147> poyntz: I just like the fact you can change most the settings you dont like in kde (unlike in windows.. at least not easily)
[15:09] <trupheenix> James147: i agree with u
[15:09] <trupheenix> James147: KDE is more customizable than GNOME.
[15:09] <trupheenix> James147: but that makes it more complex
[15:10] <poyntz> James147: definitely agree there. also because of the slim nature of the linux applications. kde provides a fast alternative to the windows environment
[15:10] <James147> trupheenix: of which i can live with.. I prefure having my desktop exatly how I want rather then almost exatly how I want but having a cleaner settings ui in return (which I dont ahve to look at once I have set the settings)
[15:10] <poyntz> James147: also love the wabbly windows and they ability to get rid of Alt+Tabbing
[15:11] <poyntz> *the
[15:11] <trupheenix> even though i personally think KDE is a royal mess. i must admit that the community is excellent. u guys have the best attitude and knowledge. i hardly find anyone to speak to on the gnome or gtk channels.
[15:11] <poyntz> not to mention the quick Alt+F2 search feature (which looks for things on the Internet for us :D)
[15:12] <trupheenix> poyntz: i love alt+f2
[15:12] <trupheenix> poyntz: just love it
[15:12] <poyntz> :)
[15:12] <poyntz> but unfortunately not there in gnome
[15:12] <poyntz> also widgets are great
[15:12] <poyntz> you can make things so customizable
[15:12] <poyntz> and it's all preinstalled
[15:12] <trupheenix> poyntz: yes it's there. there is an alt+f2
[15:12] <James147> poyntz: i like the fact it have an inbuit calcualtor and spell checker as well :)  but I think this is getting a bit off topic now we should move to #kubuntu-offtopic
[15:13] <poyntz> true
[15:13] <poyntz> why has plasma-notes been removed from the reps?
[15:13] <poyntz> and is it still compatible with the latest kde environment?
[15:14] <poyntz> maybe i'm thinking plasma-widgit-notes
[15:14] <James147> poyntz: widgets are under plasma-widgets-*
[15:16] <poyntz> James147: I tried but can't see notes there :/
[15:16] <poyntz> it was in kde 4.3
[15:16] <poyntz> came preinstalled too
[15:18] <James147> poyntz: I think "notes" might be in the core widgets, can you not find it in "add widgets"? (its here and was preinstalled on mine)
[15:19] <trupheenix> any one know how to change the K icon in the launcher? i want to put a Kubuntu Icon
[15:20] <James147> trupheenix: right click it > Application launcher settings > general > icon
[15:23] <trupheenix> James147: wow so easy?
[15:24] <James147> trupheenix: yeah :D
[15:25] <BluesKaj> eye candy is easy on kde
[15:26] <BluesKaj> eye candy on gnome is terrible and the options are cartooney looking ,IMO
[15:27] <BluesKaj> that panel at the top , who dreamed that up ... just to be different than windows it seems
[15:27] <trupheenix> BluesKaj: it's actually quite nice. it's more usable than everything else. it's so simplified even for beginners
[15:27] <BluesKaj> trupheenix, what is ?
[15:28] <trupheenix> BluesKaj: the GNOME menu bar
[15:28] <James147> BluesKaj: I dont mind the panel on top... What I hate is the panel on top AND the panel on bottom :S
[15:28] <BluesKaj> well, to each his own I guess :)
[15:29] <trupheenix> James147: both panels are nice because i open like a zillion windows at one go so it's useful to have stuff clean at the bottom. i put application launch icons on the top for frequently used applications.
[15:30] <James147> trupheenix: If ever I have that many windows open I would get rid of the task bar and place the effect "present windows" on one of the screen edges
[15:30] <trupheenix> James147: ah... and then u would hunt through them :)
[15:30] <trupheenix> James147: nice idea
[15:31] <James147> trupheenix: or consider smooth tasks again :)
[15:31]  * James147 goes to install smooth tasks
[15:31] <James147> oo its in the repos now :D
[15:31] <BluesKaj> I don't populate the desktop with icons , the panel is fine for launching apps
[15:32] <James147> BluesKaj: I barly use icons to launch apps anymore.. Alt+f2 :D
[15:33] <trupheenix> James147 BluesKaj I like your way of thinking. it is very practical
[15:33] <trupheenix> must admit that i love alt+f2
[15:37] <BluesKaj> this is my present desktop http://imagebin.ca/view/R0fRfn.html
[15:41] <Luukje|Afk> BluesKaj: nice pic
[15:42] <James147> BluesKaj: heres mine http://imagebin.ca/view/NnDA-d.html  :)
[15:42] <BluesKaj> Luukje|Afk, yeah luv the available wallpapers from kde-look , one can also install them using the "desktop activity settings" , just right click in the desktop
[15:43] <Luukje|Afk> :P
[15:43] <Luukje|Afk> ok ty
[15:44] <BluesKaj> James147, twin monitors ?
[15:45] <James147> BluesKaj: aye :) the bottom black bit is the part of the desktop I cannot see due to different resilutions
[15:45] <BluesKaj> been considering using my second 22" samung , might swap it out and give wifey the 20" :)
[15:46] <BluesKaj> James147, right
[15:52] <eviljoker> hi, I have a problem with my kubuntu netbook 10.04. sometimes happen that some icons are shown with the star on the right top and when I move my mouse on it the star disappear... is it a bug?
[15:53] <James147> eviljoker: is the page locked? the start wont appear is it is and should if it is not.
[15:54] <eviljoker> James147: yes the page is locked
[15:54] <James147> eviljoker: unlock it and you should be able to click teh star (it will add it to your favrouites at the top of the page)
[15:55] <James147> eviljoker: other then that it should only be a minor cosmetic bug if you are showing when its locked but disapearing when you try to use them
[15:57] <eviljoker> James147: pratically the star should appear only when I move the curson on the icon, but sometimes happen the  opposite thing
[15:58] <James147> eviljoker: is it a major problem to you? if not you could wait untill 4.5 is realeased and see if its fixed in that
[16:00] <eviljoker> James147: sure it's not a big problem but if it is a bug I want to report it so it can be solved in the next release :)
[16:01] <James147> !bug | eviljoker
[16:08] <eviljoker> ubottu: thank you. is there a list of the bugs that have been arleady reported?
[16:08] <James147> !ubottu | eviljoker
[16:09] <eviljoker> :)
[16:20] <amichair> help! I just installed lucid updates, and following a reboot I can't login - can't start ksmserver error. when running manually it says something about a version mismatch between NVIDIA libGL.so and lilbGLcore. What's going on?
[16:21] <James147> amichair: umm, are you using the nvidia drivers?
[16:22] <amichair> James147: yeah, had nvidia-current The latest batch of updates were supposed to take it from 195.36.15 to 195.36.24, but now it's half way there (those two version numbers appear as mismatched in the error message)
[16:23] <James147> amichair: rename /etc/X11/xorg.conf and try restarting kdm that will revert you back to the open drivers and should allot you to fix the problem :)
[16:24] <amichair> James147: I tried that, same error
[16:24] <amichair> is ksmserver loaded by kdm or ther other way around? or independently?
[16:25] <James147> amichair: I am not sure
[16:25] <James147> amichair: you sould try running startx and see if that works
[16:26] <amichair> James147: already running
[16:27] <amichair> I see the login screen too, but after entering the credential, I get a generic ksmserver error. when I try running ksmserver in tty, I get the detailed version mismatch error
[16:28] <ubuntu_> Hello, somone know what chmod number directorys in Kubuntu should have i thinked i chmodded /tmp 755 and borked the system :(
[16:28] <James147> amichair: try creating a new user and see if you can login with them
[16:29] <James147> ubuntu_: Mine is on 777 :S
[16:29] <ubuntu_> ok
[16:29] <James147> ubuntu_: or at least rwxrwxrwt :S what ever that t is :S
[16:30] <ubuntu_> James147: you know if i can mount the disk via a live cd and just change?
[16:30] <James147> ubuntu_: you can, not sure why you would need to, cant you get to a terminal?
[16:31] <ubuntu_> i can
[16:31] <ubuntu_> but can't login via the disk
[16:31] <ubuntu_> tried now brb if it not works
[16:31] <James147> ubuntu_: even a virtual console?
[16:31] <ubuntu_> is sudo chmod +rwxrwxrwt /media/disk/tmp good
[16:31] <ubuntu_> James147: no
[16:31] <ubuntu_> or should try that brb
[16:32] <James147> ubuntu_: I dont know that the t is, 777 should work fine
[16:32] <amichair> James147: if I remove nvidia-current and nvidia-current-modalias, then logon works... but then I don't have the drivers.
[16:33] <James147> amichair: hmm, what happens if you reinstall them?
[16:34] <CartoonCat> Hellos
[16:34] <amichair> James147: should I install both packages? are there others that need to be installed?
[16:35] <CartoonCat> poped in a memory card to my laptop, and its not detected. looks like no richo or mmc modules are loading, nor are they present. were they left out of the build? (stock build not custom)
[16:35] <James147> amichair: not sure, I would do it through jockey-kde that should install everything that is needed
[16:36] <James147> CartoonCat: is your bios detecting the memory?
[16:36] <CartoonCat> >.<
[16:36] <CartoonCat> not RAM
[16:36] <amichair> James147: I tried, it didn't show any drivers on the list
[16:36] <CartoonCat> memorystick Pro Duo
[16:36] <James147> CartoonCat: :) sorry
[16:36] <James147> CartoonCat: missed the word "card" :)
[16:37] <CartoonCat> (me to, i asusme the mmc and richo modules would be a give away)
[16:37] <CartoonCat> I have a habit of details hehe
[16:37] <CartoonCat> lacking
[16:37] <James147> CartoonCat: I want sure what they where :)
[16:38] <BluesKaj> amichair, whynot check the hardware drivers in /system to see which driver is recommended , and btw which nvidia card are you running ?
[16:38] <James147> amichair: try reinstalling them both then and see what happens
[16:39] <amichair> current was recommended when I upgraded to lucid. I have an on-board 9300. worked great up until this update.
[16:40] <CartoonCat> James147: aaah, you never have used a card reader have you ?
[16:40] <James147> CartoonCat: I have, but all the ones I have just work :S
[16:41] <CartoonCat> mine did too till lucid, biggest damn mistake of my life, should have stayed with 9.
[16:41] <BluesKaj> amichair, http://www.pastebin.ca/1887112
[16:46] <amichair> James147, BluesKaj: reinstalled nvidia-current, and it doesn't start again. gui shows generic 'ksmserver can't start' message. Running ksmserver on tty says a version mismatch between the nvidia libGL.so (195.36.15) and libGLcore.so (195.36.24).
[16:46] <Anubis> i have this process running: nepomukserver. can this process be stopped from starting again when my kub bo boot ?
[16:47] <James147> Anubis: System settings > advanced > nepomuk | desktop search
[16:48] <BluesKaj> amichair, sorry I should include remove existing driver in those instructions :( then install the new one , the current drivers obviously updated
[16:48] <amichair> seems to me either the updated nvidia-current is broken itself, or it doesn't clean up the previous version properly :-/
[16:48] <Anubis> it's disabled
[16:48] <amichair> BluesKaj: tried that before - when I remove the nvidia drivers, everything ok (except, of course, I don't have the drivers).
[16:48] <CartoonCat> amichair: both, you need to manualy delete the libgl's
[16:48] <James147> Anubis: then it should start
[16:49] <James147> Anubis: shouldnt ^^
[16:49] <BluesKaj> amichair, yeah perhaps purging the driver would work
[16:50] <Anubis> james147: it shoud't but it does
[16:50] <amichair> how do I list the files/versions that are installed as part of a package?
[16:52] <BluesKaj> amichair, aptitude show nameofapplication | grep State
[16:52] <Anubis> this is the line: kdeinit4: nepomukserver [kdeinit] -session <some numbers>
[16:53] <James147> Anubis: what version of kde are you using?>
[16:53] <Anubis> 442
[16:53] <amichair> BluesKaj: I meant to see what the package (e.g. nvidia-settings) consists of - which libs and which versions
[16:54] <amichair> ummm. nvidia-current, that is
[16:55] <BluesKaj> apt-cache policy nvidia-current, amichair
[16:55] <BluesKaj> yeah, that's one i can't recall
[16:57] <trupheenix> i have a blind buddy
[16:57] <trupheenix> he wants to use kubuntu
[16:57] <trupheenix> he's cribbing about accessibility
[16:57] <trupheenix> what should i tell him?
[16:57] <trupheenix> does orca work with kde?
[16:58] <James147> trupheenix: orca?
[17:00] <amichair> hmmm... when I run 'locate 195.36.15' I see all sorts of libs of the old version... how do I get rid of them? repeat the uninstall of the previous version somehow?
[17:01] <BluesKaj> trupheenix, check system settings / accessibility
[17:02] <BluesKaj> amichair, yeah do a remove --purge nvidi-current , see what happens ,but use the default kernel source driver to log back in then check again to make sure they're gone
[17:03] <BluesKaj> the libs that is
[17:04] <trupheenix> BluesKaj: nope no orca integration. must have orca integration
[17:04] <BluesKaj> in other words amichair , just log back in after a reboot without installing the new driver
[17:05] <BluesKaj> trupheenix, well , dunno what to suggest , sorry. maybe someone else can help .
[17:06] <trupheenix> BluesKaj: hmmm
[17:07] <BluesKaj> hmmm?
[17:07] <James147> trupheenix: kdes text to seech software isnt working very well atm :( but is slowly improving over time. I dont see it getting a screen reader untill then
[17:10]  * BluesKaj wonders if Dragon NaturallySpeaking will run in wine
[17:11] <James147> BluesKaj: from what I remember it dident do very will in wine :(
[17:11] <bittin> Hello, somone know why dwm dosen't show up in kdm
[17:12] <BluesKaj> James147, was thinking of trying it..wife has really decent version of it and runs great on vista
[17:13] <James147> bittin: probally because its a windowmanager not a desktop enviroment... you should be able to replace kwin with it in the kde session though
[17:13] <bittin> huh?
[17:13] <starslights> trupheenix: i had same problem with the driver nvidia  a couple day ago and finaly i found only one command who fixed all, maybe can help you but i am not enough expert to know if it will good for you, it was "sudo aptitude install build-essential linux-headers- `uname -r`" , i don't want that's it doeas somthing more bad for you, but by me it's good again
[17:14] <bittin> that i don't want to do
[17:14] <trupheenix> starslights: ?
[17:14] <starslights> yes
[17:15] <starslights> i wasn't able to start my system after the update, because of the nvidia driver, and that command fixed my problem, but i don't really know if it's same for you...
[17:16] <BluesKaj> starslights, I think you should have directed that to amichair , sudo aptitude install build-essential linux-headers- `uname -r` ..is that correct ?
[17:17] <amichair> thanks, but any idea why that would be realated?
[17:17] <starslights> yes, i have do that , that's right, after my system download a missing package and rebuild all and after rebooting all started again
[17:17] <James147> bittin: http://osdir.com/ml/debian-bugs-dist/2010-03/msg07229.html
[17:18] <BluesKaj> amichair, could be a missing lib module in the kernel source
[17:18] <amichair> hmmm, I just ran that, and it says it's already installed at the newest version
[17:18] <starslights> not really, it's the secound time i got that problem after a upgarde on Lucid, never had on previous version , now i am happy to know how fix it  but i had serach and tested lot of things :/
[17:19] <bittin> i can start dwm from openbox :)
[17:19] <bittin> thats the easy way to solve it
[17:20] <BluesKaj> amichair, you ptobly need to run it on a tty , ctrl+alt+f1
[17:20] <amichair> I'm running everything in a tty, since I can't get into anything else :-)
[17:20] <BluesKaj> ok ;0
[17:21] <amichair> how can I reinstall the previous version of nvidia-current?
[17:22] <BluesKaj> did you purge nvidia like i suggested a while ago ?
[17:22] <amichair> purge? sorry, I must have missed that... I just removed
[17:23] <amichair> BluesKaj: what should I run?
[17:23] <James147> amichair: sudo aptitude purge <package>    will remove config files as well
[17:24] <amichair> ok, then after restart should I try installing again?
[17:24] <amichair> hmmm... it shows some warnings about 'directory not empty so not removed'
[17:24] <ChuckyY> hiho
[17:24] <ChuckyY> plz help me for connect me bnc
[17:24] <amichair> should I remove all those dirs manually?
[17:24] <ChuckyY> im have quaesl irc
[17:25] <James147> amichair: depends whats inside them :S
[17:25] <amichair> they all have nvidia-current in the path, so I'm guessing I can kill anything under that.... I hope :-)
[17:26] <James147> amichair: rather then deleteing tehm try renaming them just incase :)
[17:26] <amichair> James147: always good advice :-)
[17:39] <Ezro> Hey guys, how do I install mono and get it to work?
[17:39] <Ezro> I tried doing sudo aptitude install mono-complete
[17:39] <Ezro> But I still couldn't run my program with that.
[17:44] <clerk> hello guys! who try use qutim as jabber client to connect to jabber server on google apps?
[17:48] <trupheenix> is there any way to hide and unhide the plasmoids on my desktop?
[17:49] <James147> trupheenix: what do you mean, hide indivitual plasmoids temproly or to show the plasmoids over the windows?
[17:49] <amichair> James147: I removed all them bad folders, reinstalled, rebooted, still no go.
[17:49] <trupheenix> James147: i want to hide all of them together.
[17:49] <trupheenix> James147: and also be able to show them over the window if required
[17:50] <trupheenix> i sometimes want to see a completely clean desktop
[17:50] <amichair> now if I try running ksmserver I get 'symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1: undefined symbol...'
[17:50] <James147> trupheenix: you can 'hide' them by creating a new activity and switching to that (not desktop, activity)
[17:51] <trupheenix> James147: didn't get u
[17:54] <clerk> so is it possible connet to google apps jabber using qutim?
[18:00] <BluesKaj> reinstalled nvidia amichair ? .. you should have just relogged in then checked to see if the bad libs were gone first
[18:06] <amichair> BluesKaj, James147: It's fixed!! Thanks a lot for your help! What I had to do is uninstall and purge nvidia-current, and then manually remove all libGL*.* and libGLcore*.* from /usr/lib and /usr/lib32, as well as all of /usr/lib(32)/nvidia-current, then reinstall the drivers, and reboot...
[18:06] <James147> amichair: :)
[18:07] <James147> amichair: not sure why it was so complcated to fix it :S
[18:07] <amichair> that was one hairy update
[18:10] <amichair> in any case, thanks a bunch to everyone :-)
[18:15] <cassio> oi
[18:29] <BluesKaj> amichair, yay :) !
[19:04] <noir_lord> under Kubuntu 10.04 the keyboard stops responding at random times, I've installed all available updates, disabled all accessibility options (most of which where already off anyway), when it does it the mouse cursor continues to respond
[19:04] <noir_lord> the keyboard is PS/2, any one have any idea's why?
[19:15] <trupheenix> in the middle of the most exciting world cup match
[19:15] <trupheenix> i have a question
[19:15] <trupheenix> how do i get ssl support working for kopete over jabber
[19:15] <trupheenix> ?
[20:04] <spawn> hi everyone, could anyone help with iphone support "out of the box" :)
[20:09] <spawn> info is slightly sketchy but it is supposed to work! has anyone managed to get access to thier iphone?
[20:12] <spawn> is there anyone here?
[20:13] <mfraz74> spawn: what do you want to do with the iphone?
[20:14] <spawn> hi man, i was just looking to transfer songs on and off
[20:15] <mfraz74> think you have to connect it to a windows pc to start with
[20:15] <spawn> ohh yeah, totally
[20:15] <mfraz74> with itunes
[20:15] <spawn> i had it on the girlfriends itunes to activate it
[20:15] <mfraz74> what are you trying to use to transfer the songs?
[20:16] <spawn> well i have amarok installed, but it doesnt seem to mount that i can see
[20:16] <mfraz74> does the device notifier do anything when you connect the iphone?
[20:17] <spawn> nope... and i have tried switching it on when its plugged in
[20:17] <mfraz74> does lsusb show anything?
[20:17] <mfraz74> or dmesg
[20:17] <spawn> i duno, how do i check
[20:18] <spawn> ok lsusb has an entry for iphone
[20:18] <mfraz74> open up konsole it's in the menu under system. connect your iphone wait a bit and then type lsusb and dmesg |tail
[20:19] <mfraz74> what about dmesg?
[20:19] <mfraz74> and what is the entry for the iphone?
[20:19] <spawn> lsusb states: Bus 002 Device 005: ID 05ac:1292 Apple, Inc. iPhone 3G
[20:20] <spawn> dmesg stats many things the last of which is config 1 chosen from 4 choices
[20:20] <mfraz74> which version of k/ubuntu?
[20:21] <spawn> 10.04
[20:21] <spawn> it also states [38642.834070] nepomukservices[1632]: segfault at 279 ip 00007f282b104d5f sp 00007f2820ba1a78 error 4 in libQtCore.so.4.6.2[7f282afe6000+276000]
[20:22] <mfraz74> that should be fixed in KDE 4.5, but I wouldn't recommend upgrading to that yet as it is still beta
[20:22] <spawn> thats my problem though??
[20:22] <mfraz74> have you looked here http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3111376.0 ?
[20:23] <mfraz74> i don't think the nepomukservices segfault has anything to do with the iphone, i used to get it too
[20:23] <spawn> yeah i totally read that...
[20:23] <mfraz74> have you tried on #amarok?
[20:24] <spawn> no not as yet
[20:25] <mfraz74> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iPhone
[20:26] <spawn> tried that one aswell :(
[20:27] <spawn> well thanks for the help anyways man
[20:27] <mfraz74> not sure what else to suggest then, i don't have an iphone to try
[20:28] <spawn> the last thing keeping me using windows...
[20:28] <spawn> trying to shake it off
[20:28] <mfraz74> all i can suggest is to ask in #amarok
[20:29] <spawn> ok many thanks man
[20:42] <trupheenix> can anyone tell me why kopete ssl over jabber doesn't work?
[20:42] <trupheenix> or is every1 busy watchin the brazil match? :)
[20:45] <draik> Hello everyone. Happy Father's Day for those to whom it applies.
[20:47] <draik> I have re-installed Kununtu 10.04 and I still do not get audio from VLC, Firefox or Kaffeine. Amarok, however, will play my music.
[20:48] <draik> I have a eee Box PC EB101 connected to my LCD TV via HDMI.
[20:49] <draik> I'm also working on fixing the font size on a few things.
[20:50] <draik> I can't use Synaptic becaue the font is too small for me to read. Not sure how this is affected with a small font size when all others are set to 28, 32 or 48.
[21:02] <keffie_jayx> hello all
[21:02] <keffie_jayx> I am having issues signing packages with kde and pinentry
[21:02] <keffie_jayx> the dialog does nto show
[21:03] <keffie_jayx> not
[21:03] <keffie_jayx> I check with ps ax | grep pinentry and I see it running
[21:04] <keffie_jayx>  4076 ?        RL     1:44 pinentry --display :0.0
[21:04] <keffie_jayx> what could be wrong?
[21:15] <Freddy2> hi
[21:16] <Freddy2> sometimes kde is getting frozen at splash screen, and only allows me to reboot or shutdown
[21:16] <Freddy2> which file can i check to look for the reason?
[21:16] <Freddy2> any kde log file?
[21:22] <cryke> hello everybody!
[21:22] <cryke> i want kde to mount my harddrive on startup without asking permission. how can i do that?
[21:23] <Freddy2> edit /etc/fstab
[21:24] <cryke> and how to do that using kde mount manager?
[21:25] <Freddy2> you mean mounting a static drive partition?
[21:25] <cryke> yes
[21:26] <Freddy2> never tried.. the common case is doing that in fstab, as always
[21:26] <cryke> ok, i try
[21:27] <Freddy2> depending on the filesystem type you will need different options
[21:27] <cryke> i know :) i mount ntfs partition.
[21:28] <James147> cryke: its easiest to use ntfs-config to add ntfs drives to /etc/fstab
[21:28] <cryke> i thought that using internal functions of kde i can do that without editing /etc/fstab.
[21:29] <cryke> never heard about ntfs-config..
[21:30] <James147> cryke: it can be done through kde... but ntfs drives require a password to mount them... rather tehn trying to get it to do it without a password its much easier just to use ntfs-config as root
[21:31] <Freddy2> a password? what?
[21:31] <cryke> James147: thanx, i understood
[21:38] <babalu> hello, what can i use instead of skype on kubuntu?
[21:39] <James147> !ekiga | babalu
[21:52] <Machtin> hm.. since about a week my kde is quite unstable, especially plasma.. any thoughts on that? (updates?)
[21:55] <babalu> thanks James147 i'll try that :)
[22:54] <BiggFREE> Hi
[22:58] <mario_> helloooooooooooooooooo
[23:00] <trakinas> hi all! I need to put my wifi on monitor mode, so I can use wireshark for a simple college work.
[23:00] <trakinas> however, when I try to put it on monitor I receive this msg: wlanconfig: ioctl: Operation not supported
[23:02] <trakinas> this is the command I tried: wlanconfig ath create wlandev wlan3 wlanmode monitor
[23:17] <kubuntiano> hello, who helps me to install on my football menagerie kubuntu 64bit? Thanks
[23:32] <DarthFrog> Does anyone know why krename only has a "Help" button and no "Settings" button?
[23:57] <harvey> so.   how does one change the resolution in kubuntu?