[06:10] <wallyworld> kelvinliu: i have a small fix for the juju shell for 2.8 https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11907
[06:10] <kelvinliu> looking
[06:20] <kelvinliu> wallyworld: lgtm, just need to update the prompt string
[06:20] <wallyworld> ty, looking
[06:21] <wallyworld> kelvinliu: yeah, i thought i'd leave the string simple and only advertise the easiest approach to quitting
[06:21] <wallyworld> and then if people did type "exit" it would also just work
[06:21] <kelvinliu> ok, that makes sense
[06:22] <wallyworld> otherwise it's a lot of options for them to process
[06:24] <kelvinliu> right
[11:23] <stickupkid_> achilleasa, manadart -> https://github.com/juju/charm/pull/314 CR please
[11:25] <achilleasa> stickupkid_: done. small question about spew
[11:26] <stickupkid_> achilleasa, no idea, was looking myself
[11:26] <stickupkid_> achilleasa, go mod why tells me nothing
[11:27] <achilleasa> stickupkid_: hope nobody landed something with a spew.Dump in non-test code... :D
[11:28] <stickupkid_> achilleasa, hopefully not
[11:28] <stickupkid_> ➜ grep -ir spew .
[11:28] <stickupkid_> ./go.sum:github.com/davecgh/go-spew v1.1.0 h1:ZDRjVQ15GmhC3fiQ8ni8+OwkZQO4DARzQgrnXU1Liz8=
[11:28] <stickupkid_> ./go.sum:github.com/davecgh/go-spew v1.1.0/go.mod h1:J7Y8YcW2NihsgmVo/mv3lAwl/skON4iLHjSsI+c5H38=
[11:28] <stickupkid_> ./go.sum:github.com/davecgh/go-spew v1.1.1 h1:vj9j/u1bqnvCEfJOwUhtlOARqs3+rkHYY13jYWTU97c=
[11:28] <stickupkid_> that's all it reports back, which is annoying
[11:42] <achilleasa> stickupkid_: quick CR please: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11909
[12:59] <stickupkid_> achilleasa, where did the "@" syntax come from
[13:00] <achilleasa> juju config apparently...
[14:17] <stickupkid_> achilleasa, https://github.com/juju/charmrepo/pull/163
[14:49] <stickupkid_> manadart, :point_up:
[14:55] <achilleasa> stickupkid_: sorry; lunching ATM; can look in ~10' if manadart hasn't reviewed it
[14:55] <manadart> stickupkid_: Deep in something ATM.
[14:55] <stickupkid_> achilleasa, manadart i can wait
[14:56] <stickupkid_> just wondered if I was sending to dead letters
[15:12] <achilleasa> stickupkid_: did you put the comments next to the imports or did your editor do that for you?
[15:12] <stickupkid_> was already there
[15:13] <stickupkid_> i did a sed
[15:14] <achilleasa> 'package testing_test' :D
[15:14] <stickupkid_> achilleasa, it gets worse, testing/package_test.go package testing_test
[15:14] <stickupkid_> TEST TEST TEST TEST
[15:14] <stickupkid_> this is a test
[15:15] <achilleasa> test that the test-suite is not lying to you?
[15:15] <stickupkid_> haha
[15:15] <stickupkid_> you never know!
[15:15] <achilleasa> but then your test-suite will anticipate that and trick you
[15:15] <stickupkid_> lies
[15:16] <achilleasa> btw, PR LGTM; there are some empty lines between import that look redundant
[15:16] <stickupkid_> achilleasa, I'll fix
[15:19] <stickupkid_> ah we get XDG_* specification wrong - interesting
[15:19] <stickupkid_> for the acceptance tests
[15:19] <stickupkid_> typical
[15:54] <stickupkid_> achilleasa, the empty lines follow the 3 stanzas
[15:55] <achilleasa> ah... we do that everywhere then?
[15:56] <stickupkid_> dunno, juju and charm repo it seems
[15:56] <stickupkid_> note i hate it, but it's a standard
[15:56] <achilleasa> thought it was a juju-only thing


[03:03] <t4nk_freenode> well, nvm, I rewrote the only ebuild I had that depended on breezy... to get rid of it ;)


[07:43] <pitti> Riddell: add packages as a SRU> usually we don't, that's more like a case for backports?
[10:00] <Riddell> pitti: the suggestion from calc is we add ttf-liberation to kubuntu-desktop
[10:01] <kiwinote> hi mpt
[10:01] <kiwinote> do you have some time now, or would you prefer later today?
[10:01] <mpt> kiwinote, now's good
[10:01] <kiwinote> ok
[10:01] <mpt> Actually, 20 minutes
[10:01] <kiwinote> ok, sound good
[10:12] <mpt> kiwinote, ok, ready now. Would you prefer IRC or phone?
[10:15] <kiwinote> back
[10:15] <kiwinote> whichever, irc perhaps?
[10:15] <mpt> sure
[10:16] <kiwinote> so wrt the list i sent you last week or so, are there any things that you do/don't want to see this cycle?
[10:19] <kiwinote> i have had a look through the list, and the first few things i would like to do are gdebi, apturl (if not already done), monitoring pkgcache.bin (refreshes) and then add-ons
[10:20] <mpt> kiwinote, I think that would be an excellent priority list
[10:24] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[10:27] <kiwinote> mpt: are windicators and removing status bars things that s-c will do this cycle, or do we let other apps experiment this cycle and perhaps let s-c follow in the next cycles?
[10:29] <mpt> kiwinote, the bottom bar in USC isn't really a status bar. See the 4.0 mockup for how we're going to add +/– buttons to it, for example. I don't think there's any way windicators would be helpful to USC.
[10:29] <Keybuk> indicating that a download is in progress?
[10:29] <Keybuk> indicating that updates are available?
[10:29] <mpt> The "In Progress" item already shows that a download is in progress
[10:30] <mpt> If it turns out to be a good idea to show updates in USC, we'll add a left-pane item for that too
[10:31] <Keybuk> it doesn't sound like you're riding the windicator band wagon to me
[10:32]  * mpt searches for something to throw at Keybuk
[10:33] <mpt> I'm writing the specification for windicators, so if they're a bandwagon, I'm the horse.
[10:33]  * popey volunteers Keybuk for mucking out duties
[10:34] <lifeless> mpt: uhm, ewww. :P
[10:34]  * vish feels the windicators will just be allowing applications which abused the notification area to  abuse the windicators multifold! ;p
[10:35] <kiwinote> mpt: did you have anything else you wanted to discuss at this stage? the implementation details can probably best wait until i actually start.
[10:36] <mpt> kiwinote, did you say you were going to start June 21st?
[10:36] <kiwinote> yeah, that's when my exams are over..
[10:37] <mpt> hm, ok
[10:37] <mpt> Going until when?
[10:37] <kiwinote> half september or so
[10:38] <kiwinote> so that's kind of starting and finishing a month later than the official dates
[10:39] <mpt> yeah, I'm wondering if that's going to be an issue at all
[10:40] <lifeless> vish: I'm quite excited by the idea of a tasteful structured way to go things like offline mode consistently
[10:40] <mpt> kiwinote, I'll discuss that with people who know more about it than I do
[10:40] <vish> lifeless: i'm kinda glad mpt is the horse :p [we'll have some sanity there :)]
[10:40] <kiwinote> mpt: from what i understand the official dates are based on the us summer holidays, rather than the european ones
[10:41] <kiwinote> mpt: but there are many european students who participate, so i presume it isn't too much of a problem
[10:41] <mpt> ok
[10:42] <vish> lifeless: for offline modes though , it is already consistent. the lower left corner's are where it is displayed. but windicators might lead to consistency for all statuses
[10:43] <kiwinote> mpt: wrt the modified release schedule it means i'll have to keep a close eye on the various freezes, but that should be doable, and elsewise some of the later stuff i do just lands in m+1
[10:43] <mpt> right
[10:45] <lifeless> vish: huh? not for chrome, for instance
[10:46] <huats> morning
[10:46] <vish> lifeless: ah , chrome!  :)
[10:47] <kiwinote> mpt: then I think that's all for now unless you have anything else
[10:47] <kiwinote> looking forward to it!
[10:47] <mpt> great, thanks kiwinote
[10:47] <kiwinote> bye
[11:05] <fagan> pitti: you have a minute to look at http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/438744/
[11:05] <fagan> its for maverick
[11:07] <fagan> hmmmm since it seems to be x complaining maybe I should ask on #ubuntu-x
[11:12] <chrisccoulson> fagan - those errors are nearly always a client error, rather than a server error
[11:12] <chrisccoulson> in your case, it's due to csd being switched on in gtk last week ;)
[11:12] <fagan> ah ok chris
[11:13] <fagan> I just had to switch to vlc for the moment :)
[11:13] <fagan> I just thought id bring it up to see if it wasnt known
[11:14] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i think that's already known
[11:14] <chrisccoulson> client side decorations seems to break quite a few things currently
[11:15] <czajkowski> kenvandine: any idea why gwibber is acting up again and using 98% of cpu
[11:16] <fagan> chrisccoulson: but boy do they look pretty
[11:16] <chrisccoulson> heh, i'm not running maverick yet, so i don't know ;)
[11:16] <fagan> chrisccoulson: well rgba isnt turned on yet, on my machine anyway
[11:17] <chrisccoulson> i thought that was turned on by default now as well
[11:18] <fagan> chrisccoulson: hmmm well all im getting is rgba window borders
[11:18] <fagan> and thats only for non focused windows
[11:24] <qense> Could anyone here accept <https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/dx-m-app-indicator> for the maverick series? It's only proposed at the moment, but it seems like an important Blueprint, and we're missing it now from the burn-down charts.
[11:25] <fagan> qense: im sure its on someone's todo list
[11:26] <chrisccoulson> qense, i think the person who needs to do that (dbarth) has a public holiday today
[11:26] <qense> chrisccoulson: Probably
[11:27] <chrisccoulson> there is a noticeable lack of french speaking people in here today ;)
[11:28] <fagan> chrisccoulson: yeah I noticed that. :)
[11:28] <qense> You don't miss the Dutch? ;) We're having a bank holiday as well.
[11:28] <qense> Doesn't half Europe has a day of today?
[11:28] <fagan> qense: not Ireland anyway
[11:28]  * fagan has a college test at 2
[11:28] <chrisccoulson> quite possibly. and then the UK has one next week :)
[11:28] <qense> The UK always wants to do things slightly different,
[11:29] <chrisccoulson> heh
[11:29] <fagan> qense: did you just put Ireland in with the UK?
[11:29] <qense> fagan: This is the second week of the final exams for the secondary schools, and they don't have a free day today as well.
[11:29] <fagan> ;)
[11:29] <qense> fagan: No, although sometimes you're more British than you want to admit. :)
[11:30] <fagan> qense: or maybe they are more Irish than they would like to admit :)
[11:30] <czajkowski> qense: oi oi :p
[11:30] <czajkowski> we have the June bank holiday, rarely mid month
[11:31] <qense> Maybe I misused the phrase bank holiday.
[11:31] <qense> Google Translate for the rescue!
[11:31] <qense> nah, sounds like today can be called a bank holiday
[11:32] <czajkowski> fagan: try and not miss your exam will you!
[11:32] <fagan> czajkowski: its taken care of
[11:34] <qense> fagan: I'll give a scream at 14.00 CEST in case you'll be here still.
[11:34] <fagan> qense: my computer will still be on so ill still be here ish
[11:34] <fagan> but I just wont be looking at the computer
[11:35] <fagan> :)
[11:35] <qense> fagan: Good luck with your exams already.
[11:35] <fagan> qense: thanks this is the last one :D
[11:35] <fagan> thank god
[11:35] <qense> yay! Salvation
[11:39] <fta> hi, could someone please have a look at this bug? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/584287
[11:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 584287 in metacity (Ubuntu) "Unexpected X error (BadDrawable) causing metacity to abort in maverick (affects: 4) (dups: 1) (heat: 30)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[11:44] <fta> chrisccoulson, kenvandine: ^^ ?
[11:44] <fta> and also https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/584536
[11:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 584536 in evolution (Ubuntu) "evolution crashed with SIGSEGV in em_format_snoop_type() (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[11:45] <chrisccoulson> fta - the metacity issue will be due to the gtk upload last week
[11:46] <fagan> fta: I already asked about it :)
[11:46] <fta> chrisccoulson, i have a lot of issues because of that, incl flash crashing, is there a fix somewhere?
[11:46] <fagan> but evo worked
[11:47] <fta> fagan, evo is semi-broken, a tenth of the emails i open make it crash
[11:47] <fagan> fta: are the buttons in evo looking weird too?
[11:48] <fagan> fta: it seems to be opening emails fine for me
[11:49] <fta> fagan, yes, it's https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/582839
[11:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 582839 in evolution (Ubuntu) ""no junk" icon and buttons too big in <IP_ADDRESS> (affects: 3) (heat: 18)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[11:55] <fta> chrisccoulson, http://paste.ubuntu.com/438769/
[11:56] <fta> chrisccoulson, that's maverick only, so i assume it's the same reason as for metacity
[12:01] <fta> rhythmbox is broken too. oh my..
[12:02] <fta> looks like a gstreamer issue
[12:08] <fagan> fta: in what way is rhythmbox broken
[12:08] <fagan> its working fine and playing for me
[12:15] <fta> fagan, it doesn't play, and if i seek into a song, it freezes. when interrupted, gdb shows http://paste.ubuntu.com/438776/
[12:16] <fagan> fta: wow thats a complicated looking error. My one plays fine though so I cant confirm the problem
[12:18] <fta> slomo, ^^ is that something you recognize?
[12:18] <chrisccoulson> fta - i thought there was a way to disable csd, which might help some of your issues, but i can't figure out how
[12:18] <chrisccoulson> the rhythmbox issue looks like a recursive locking issue though
[12:19] <chrisccoulson> and those are quite difficult to debug :(
[12:19] <fta> slomo, btw, thanks for the libvpx updates, i'm auto-syncing/backporting it from the gst ppa to the chromium ppa now.
[12:20] <fta> chrisccoulson, csd? what is that?
[12:21] <chrisccoulson> fta - client-side decorations
[12:21] <slomo> fta: hm?
[12:22] <slomo> fta: i don't use rhythmbox and never saw that failure
[12:22] <fta> slomo, it's a new regression coming with maverick
[12:22] <fta> one of them ;)
[12:22] <slomo> fta: which update caused it? :)
[12:23] <slomo> fta: what type of file are you playing, etc
[12:23] <fta> slomo, i upgraded my lucid desktop to maverick ~36h ago, so it's tough to say which of the 500MB did that
[12:24] <fta> slomo, mp3, flac
[12:24] <slomo> fta: only audio?
[12:25] <fta> slomo, yes (some id3 too)
[12:25] <slomo> fta: which gstreamer packages were updated?
[12:25] <fta> but there's no error in the console, it just sits there doing nothing
[12:25] <slomo> yes, classic deadlock
[12:26] <fta> 0.10.29-4
[12:26] <fagan> slomo: but im on maverick and its working fine
[12:26] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/438789/
[12:26] <fagan> I havent tried flac though
[12:26] <slomo> fagan: do you use rhythmbox's crossfade feature?
[12:27] <fagan> slomo: I dont have it turned on
[12:27] <slomo> fagan: do it and test again please
[12:27] <slomo> fta: so the only difference to lucid is gst-plugins-ugly but that doesn't have anything to do with flac
[12:28] <fta> fagan, i'm usually seeing less bugs than anyone else, but here, i'm the winner, i got them all, 6 crashers + 5 other regressions in one day
[12:28] <slomo> fta: and in lucid it worked?
[12:28] <fta> slomo, crossfade: yes, lucid: yes, same conf
[12:28] <fagan> cross fade on no crash
[12:28] <fagan> weird
[12:29] <fta> fagan, it's not a crash, it's just "not playing"
[12:29] <fagan> fta: its working here
[12:29] <fagan> with all updates installed
[12:29] <fta> could be pulse-audio..
[12:29] <slomo> fta: good luck then :) was rb updated?
[12:29] <slomo> fta: no, can't be PA... that's a bug in gstreamer related code somewhere
[12:29] <fagan> slomo: RB is still the same version as lucid from what I remember
[12:30] <fta> slomo, nope, it's 0.12.8-0ubuntu4 (from lucid-proposed)
[12:31] <slomo> fta: oh, idea... try killing pulseaudio (pulseaudio -k) and restarting it again (pulseaudio -D)
[12:31] <slomo> fta: does it work then? :)
[12:33] <fta> slomo, \o/
[12:34] <fta> slomo, how come it helped?
[12:34] <slomo> fta: ok, pulseaudio bug (or below)... i have a very similar problem, happens most of the time after suspend
[12:35] <slomo> for some reason PA blocks sometimes
[12:35] <fta> slomo, i never suspend, it's a desktop
[12:35] <slomo> ok, well, different bug but same symptoms :)
[12:36] <fta> cool, thanks. bug--
[12:59] <fta> pitti, hi, no -dbgsym for maverick yet?
[13:52] <ccheney> hi
[14:29] <kenvandine> good morning rickspencer3
[14:29] <rickspencer3> hey kenvandine
[14:42] <rickspencer3> tremolux, good morning
[14:42] <tremolux> rickspencer3: 'morning Rick
[14:42] <rickspencer3> tremolux, I need to create the "buy something" blueprint, right?
[14:43] <tremolux> rickspencer3: yes, we don't have it yet
[14:43] <rickspencer3> ok, I'll take care of that shortly
[14:43] <rickspencer3> I guess there are a lot of folks on Holiday today?
[14:43] <tremolux> rickspencer3: ok, thanks!
[14:44] <tremolux> rickspencer3: oh yeah, looks that way
[14:44] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it's been fairly quiet in here today ;)
[14:49] <Laney> slackers!
[15:24] <qense> kenvandine: re the Mono bindings for the Sound Menu: I'm not sure how much experience you have got with GAPI and such, but if you need any help with generating the bindings: I have  _some_ experience with Mono bindings from my work on bug fixes for AppInd. I'm no expert, but if you need a bit of help, you can always ask me. (I hope I haven't insulted you knowledge with this ;) )
[15:24] <kenvandine> qense, i might need it :)
[15:25] <kenvandine> i have messed with it a bit in the past
[15:25] <kenvandine> but don't know much about handling things that need custom tweaks
[15:26] <qense> kenvandine: OK
[15:27] <rickspencer3> tremolux, https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-maverick-buy-something
[15:27] <rickspencer3> tremolux, *all* the work items are targeted for A2 now, which I think is wrong'
[15:27] <rickspencer3> could you please sort out the ones that are in scope for A2?
[15:27] <tremolux> rickspencer3: yep
[15:28] <kenvandine> qense, thx!
[15:28] <qense> yw
[15:32] <tremolux> rickspencer3: I'll make a pass at a2 targets, but I expect mvo will want to weigh in when he is back
[15:32] <rickspencer3> tremolux, ack
[15:32] <tremolux> rickspencer3: cool  :)
[15:47] <tremolux> rickspencer3: ok, I made an a2 cut at https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-maverick-buy-something
[15:47] <tremolux> rickspencer3: looks like we need to change the Series Goal to "maverick" and Milestone Target to "none"
[15:47] <tremolux> rickspencer3: (won't let me change those)
[15:48] <rickspencer3> tremolux, weird, when I said to propose for a series, it put it in Lucid :/
[15:48] <rickspencer3> tremolux, should the milestone target not be A2, since we are targetting work items there?
[15:48] <tremolux> rickspencer3: oh, I don't know I guess; I was basing that statement on my other blueprints (which are at None)
[15:49] <rickspencer3> ok, I'll look them all over later and see how it's working
[15:50]  * desrt wins the game
[15:51] <desrt> (first/only person forgetting to attach the expenses when sending expenses to marianna)
[15:52] <rickspencer3> tremolux, so our new goal is to get together at the distro sprint and make "Buy Something" work end to end
[15:52] <tremolux> rickspencer3: yeah, I don't *think* that plays into the burndown charts so it's prolly fine
[15:53] <tremolux> rickspencer3: cool  :)
[15:53] <rickspencer3> tremolux, don't know if the "for the sprint" goal changes your approach to which work items to do when
[15:55] <tremolux> rickspencer3: yeah, it sure seems like we will want to put everything for alpha-2
[15:55] <tremolux> rickspencer3: except for optimization-type things
[15:55] <rickspencer3> tremolux, well, we'll all be together at the end of A3
[15:55] <rickspencer3> so maybe some integration stuff might go in A3?
[15:56] <fta> bratsche, hi, could the client-side decoration patch in gtk be the cause of the regressions in maverick?? like bug 584287, bug 584959
[15:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 584287 in metacity (Ubuntu) "Unexpected X error (BadDrawable) causing metacity to abort in maverick (affects: 4) (dups: 1) (heat: 30)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/584287
[15:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 584959 in gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) "flashplugin crashes in chromium with RGBA enabled (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/584959
[16:13] <bratsche> fta: Could be.
[16:15] <bratsche> fta: I'll make an updated patch this week to expose a killswitch for that feature.  Then it should be easier to determine.
[16:16] <pitti> Riddell: ah, you mean add a dependency, not add a new package; that sounds better, if there's a clear justification; NB that this will land on Kubuntu 10.04.1, so you'll need some extra space?
[16:16] <pitti> fta: argh, silly me; enabling now
[16:17] <pitti> fta: erm, *phew*, no, it's running
[16:17] <pitti> fta: seems I disabled it a couple of days ago due to some problem with the kernel, reenabled now
[16:18] <Riddell> pitti: right
[16:18] <pitti> fta: I also fetch the ddebs from the last 7 days to catch up
[16:32] <fta> pitti, thanks, will spare me some time (i had to rebuild a few packages in the last few days just to add some -dbg in order to debug some new crashes in maverick).
[17:29] <fta> bratsche, dropping debian/patches/064_client_side_decoration.patch from gtk fixes both issues (metacity and flash in chromium)
[17:35] <bratsche> fta: Yeah, but we don't want to drop that.. we want to fix it. :)
[17:37] <fta> bratsche, sure, but it means the culprit has been cornered and both bugs could be merged (and probably others)
[17:38] <bratsche> fta: The metacity one is probably easy to fix.  The Chromium one probably less easy.
[17:40] <bratsche> fta: Do you have time to test something with metacity?
[17:40] <fta> bratsche, yes
[17:41] <bratsche> fta: Could you try patching it and change src/ui/ui.c so that it does gdk_screen_get_system_colormap() instead of gdk_screen_get_default_colormap()?
[17:41] <fta> bratsche, ok, will do
[17:41] <bratsche> Thanks
[18:26] <rickspencer3> tremolux, kenvandine, etc... I'm stepping away for a couple of hours, back at 1pm Seattle time
[18:26] <rickspencer3> (fyi)
[18:27] <tremolux> rickspencer3: k, see ya later
[18:35] <fta> bratsche, it worked
[18:36] <bratsche> woot!
[18:36] <bratsche> fta: Can you attach the patch to that bug?
[18:36] <fta> sure
[18:36] <bratsche> fta: Chromium is going to be harder to deal with.  I'll have to look at that next week unless I can get someone at Google to look at it sooner.
[18:37] <fta> bratsche, the upstream guy usually working on that is on vacation
[18:37] <bratsche> Yeah I know.
[18:39] <bratsche> There's another Chromium dev who works on Linux, but I can't remember who it is.  Evan is the only one I know.
[18:41] <fta> bratsche, most probably piman_
[18:42] <bratsche> Yeah, I dunno.
[18:45] <fta> done btw
[18:46] <fta> i can attach a debdiff if you want (but i can't upload to main)
[19:08] <azteech> I am currently using 9.10. To get there, I have been doing periodic net-based dist upgrades ever since 7.10. Now I feel I need to unclutter, clean up the system, and upgrade to 10.04 (LTS). While I know that we can copy the hidden profiles for Thunderbird and Firefox to back them up for use in 10.04, is this wise since the versions used in 9.10 differ from that used with 10.04?
[19:10] <azteech> to move to 10.04 (LTS), I will be doing a clean install ... or should I stick with dist-upgrade?
[19:18]  * ccheney bbl, headed to austin
[19:22] <jcastro> kenvandine: is the app indicator patch for tomboy crashing on you?
[19:23] <kenvandine> jcastro, nope
[19:30] <jcastro> kenvandine: ok I was chatting with him
[19:31] <kenvandine> with sandy?
[19:31] <jcastro> kenvandine: can you file a bug on the latest patch upstream?
[19:31] <jcastro> yeah
[19:31] <kenvandine> sure
[19:31] <kenvandine> well, got a link to the old bug?
[19:31] <jcastro> he'd like to start reviewing it
[19:31] <kenvandine> great
[19:31] <jcastro> no, I don't, only the lp one
[19:31] <kenvandine> ok
[19:31] <kenvandine> was there a bug?
[19:31] <jcastro> we didn't do one upstream because we decided not to ship it
[19:32] <jcastro> kenvandine: I am thinking we should finish this off, make sure it's upstreamable, and then deal with the pins for unity when we get there
[19:34] <kenvandine> ok
[20:45] <czajkowski> kenvandine: you free for a gwibber question?
[20:46] <kenvandine> czajkowski, sure
[20:47] <czajkowski> kenvandine: gwibber is at 98% cpu for the last 2 days for no reason http://paste.ubuntu.com/439023/
[20:47] <kenvandine> humm
[20:48] <czajkowski> I last did updates yesterday
[20:48] <kenvandine> is gwibber-service running?
[20:48] <czajkowski> I displayed all my searches like http://pix.ie/czajkowski/1691216 which also didnt seem to help
[20:48] <czajkowski> kenvandine: yes
[20:49] <czajkowski> saying 0% CPU
[20:49] <kenvandine> so it is the frontend using so much CPU?
[20:50] <czajkowski> aye.
[20:50] <kenvandine> that's a new one :)
[20:50] <kenvandine> humm
[20:51] <czajkowski> go me!
[20:51] <kenvandine> czajkowski, what happens if you close those search streams?
[20:52] <czajkowski> first I closed the streams and left the searches running, that seemed to help
[20:52] <czajkowski> so I think it's more the display of streams then the searches. as I display the searches in the streams
[20:56] <kenvandine> yeah, close the searches
[20:56] <kenvandine> lets see what difference that makes
[20:58] <czajkowski> kenvandine: gwiber service at 44 now
[20:59] <kenvandine> that might go down a bit
[20:59] <kenvandine> what about the client?
[20:59] <czajkowski> gwibber at 5
[21:00] <kenvandine> ok
[21:00] <kenvandine> interesting
[21:01] <czajkowski> right they are all down to 0 now
[21:02] <kenvandine> czajkowski, how many searches did you have?
[21:03] <czajkowski> oss/floss/Ubuntu/locoteams/ossbc/gnome
[21:06] <kenvandine> ok, so now that things are sane again
[21:06] <kenvandine> add them back and see if it goes nuts again
[21:06]  * kenvandine added a bunch and not seeing a load
[21:06] <czajkowski> okie dokie
[21:07] <kenvandine> thx
[21:08] <czajkowski> beam.smp jumpst to 86
[21:08] <czajkowski> and gwibber jumps to 68
[21:10] <czajkowski> settles back around 12-15
[21:13] <czajkowski> and now they are up at 102 and 96. :(
[22:52] <fta> bratsche, the c-s-d patch in gtk also breaks acroread in the partner's repo
[23:54] <RAOF> Morning all.
[23:59] <rickspencer3> RAOF, good morning


[05:00] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: [greybird] r477 Remove blue frame (#154)... (by afdw)
[08:46] <flocculant> bluesabre: you can hate me if you want - but it's only for another 5 days :p
[08:47] <flocculant> bug 1631715
[08:47] <flocculant> that's on a clean install - can't reproduce it here on this one with ppas etc
[09:00] <flocculant> bluesabre: well that's bizarre, removed all ppa's, restarted - suspended - got 2 requests for password
[09:00] <flocculant> put back all the ppa's - restarted - suspended - got 2 requests for password
[09:01] <flocculant> this only happens with suspend - lock works as expected
[11:21] <bluesabre> flocculant, huh, that's odd, (+ ochosi)
[12:06] <ochosi> bluesabre: maybe something about the lock-delay setting, but i'm not sure
[12:23] <flocculant> bluesabre ochosi - I certainly didn't see this issue when we were omgchangelock and back and forth checking things
[12:42] <flocculant> hence the bug report
[13:27] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: that confused me :D
[13:49] <bluesabre> flocculant, oh hey, looks like the resize background was fixed in ubiquity
[13:50] <bluesabre> http://i.imgur.com/2X43kkd.png
[13:52] <flocculant> bluesabre: oh yea - sorry, thought you knew that :)
[13:52] <bluesabre> missed it :)
[13:52] <flocculant> I hassled cyphermox - who's a really cool dude :D
[13:52] <bluesabre> cyphermox is pretty legit
[13:52] <flocculant> yup
[13:53] <flocculant> bluesabre: I've got this odd suspend issue on the notes - but if I don't see it confirmed, or it looks like it's *specific hardware* I might lose it
[13:54] <bluesabre> flocculant, what odd suspend issue?
[13:54] <bluesabre> going to grab a bite, bbabl
[13:54] <flocculant> the one you commented on in here about 3 hours ago ...
[13:57] <bluesabre> ah, that one
[13:58] <flocculant> :)
[14:07] <flocculant> jjfrv8: thanks for trying to reproduce it :)
[18:38] <Unit193> flocculant: Did you see if that thunar worked better for you?
[18:45] <flocculant> ummm
[18:45] <flocculant> the one I forgot all about :p
[18:46] <flocculant> Unit193: 1.6-10-3 ?
[18:48] <Unit193> Ayep.
[18:48] <flocculant> sigh - bunch of dependency stuff to deal with for it ;)
[18:49] <Unit193> Oh hrm.  I can drop it in my staging one.
[18:52] <flocculant> Unit193: not the detailed view issues
[20:02] <flocculant> Unit193: so had a quick check with 1.6-10-3, detailed view still a problem - but assume that to be the gtk3 exo, https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12264#c32
[20:02] <flocculant> that still fails as well


[10:52] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:40] <mparillo> KDE Apps 20.04.3 landing in GG. Kate, Dolphin, and Konsole all seem OK.
[13:46] <BluesKaj> hi mparillo, yeah all looks good so far here too.
[15:11] <RikMills> frameworks 5.72 is now landing in groovy proposed
[16:11] <mparillo> Still on 5.71 here. Can't those hamsters spin their wheels any faster?
[16:39] <mparillo> Got it. Seems OK to me. Kate, Dolphin, Discover, System Monitor, Konsole, System Settings, Falkon, Konversation, Kinfocenter, kicker, and krunner all appeared to pass the sniff test.
[16:39] <mparillo> KDE Frameworks Version: 5.72.0


[00:07] <LPCIBot> Yippie, build fixed!
[00:07] <LPCIBot> Project devel build #505: FIXED in 5 hr 17 min: https://hudson.wedontsleep.org/job/devel/505/
[03:53] <lifeless> wow
[03:53] <lifeless>  Hard / Soft  Page ID
[03:53] <lifeless>      111 /    0  LanguageSet:CollectionResource:#languages
[03:53] <lifeless>      104 /  201  BugTask:+index
[03:56] <wgrant> Good to see +copy-packages up there, too.
[03:56] <wgrant> Because I have a fairly major improvement.
[03:57] <lifeless> I'm just happy bug bloody task is not #1
[03:58] <wgrant> Heh.
[04:37] <StevenK_> lifeless: I think about this on the way home last night -- do you still feel memcache has something to give us?
[04:39] <lifeless> yes
[04:39] <lifeless> in particular the front page blog posts are (somewhat) sensibly storedin memcache
[04:40] <lifeless> its not hthe olnyway of doing that
[05:27]  * StevenK_ works on an EBS volume for Jenkins
[07:23]  * StevenK fails to see how to convince Jenkins to attach the EBS store
[07:24] <wgrant> :(
[07:25] <StevenK> I have created it and populated it, though
[08:31] <wgrant> Hmm.
[15:58] <jam1> wgrant: are you still around?
[18:55] <jelmer> wgrant: 35k tests in ~15m, how many is launchpad at at the moment ? :)
[23:15] <wgrant> jelmer: :(
[23:16] <wgrant> jam: Not often at 3am, sorry.
[23:17] <jam> wgrant: well, you had been around at about midnight, then :)
[23:17] <jam> of course, it is midnight here now
[23:18] <wgrant> jam: Shh.
[23:18] <jam> wgrant: anyway, I mostly wanted to know if you could ec2land the lp-child-hangup patch, since benji has okayed it.
[23:18] <wgrant> Just saw that.
[23:18] <wgrant> That's great.
[23:20] <wgrant> He hasn't actually r-c'd the MP yet, but I will ec2test it so we can land as soon as he does.
[23:23] <wgrant> jam: Could you merge devel into that branch?


  Please part the channel now.
[21:20] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, that was not making the case for an unban, and even earned a permaban.
[21:23] <PottyThePisser> nah you can ban me all you want i can easily come back under a new name or different proxy
[21:23] <Eickmeyer> And that would be ban evasion which is a network-bannable offense, so your call. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[21:24] <PottyThePisser> And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.


[00:00] <cjohnston> doctormo: why is it that when i try to name a local branch something, say 'map' I get an error: required local branch name?
[00:00] <doctormo> cjohnston: I think it has to be more than 3 chars
[00:00] <cjohnston> :-(
[01:35] <doctormo> sorry cjohnston, you can post a bug if you want and it's not a hard code change, just thought names should be more descriptive.
[01:35] <cjohnston> its not a huge deal..
[01:35] <cjohnston> use case was I was working on some ui changes.. so I tried naming it ui.. seems fairly intuitive to me
[01:36] <cjohnston> ;-)
[01:36] <cjohnston> but it doesnt really matter
[01:42] <doctormo> cjohnston, pleia2: Thoughts on the beta http://doctormo.deviantart.com/art/Reasons-to-Love-Ubuntu-175769543
[01:43] <cjohnston> cool
[01:43] <pleia2> doctormo: looking good :D
[01:44] <doctormo> pleia2: That's pretty much how I'm going to send it to you if that's ok? let me know if you have any editorial changes before I do.
[01:46] <pleia2> doctormo: I don't see any errors, looks good to go :)
[01:50] <pleia2> doctormo: can you upload to spreadubuntu as well?
[01:50] <doctormo> pleia2: Well ok
[01:51] <pleia2> \o/
[01:56] <doctormo> pleia2: I can't log into spread ubuntu, unknown reason
[01:58] <doctormo> Ah got it now
[02:05] <doctormo> http://spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org/en/material/poster/reasons-love-ubuntu
[02:07] <pleia2> yay, thanks doctormo
[02:56] <akgraner> doctormo, I <3 that poster!!!!
[02:56]  * akgraner <3's purple!!!!!!
[03:32] <doctormo> akgraner: :-) thanks
[03:32] <doctormo> paultag: Sorry we couldn't do today, org next time?
[03:33] <paultag> doctormo: oh dur
[03:33] <paultag> doctormo: crap I forgot
[03:33] <paultag> doctormo: Oh I have someone for you -- he's into design, mind helping him?
[03:33] <doctormo> paultag: np. who needs help?
[03:33] <paultag> doctormo: and yes, let's plan in advance next time
[03:33] <paultag> doctormo: he's not in the system yet
[03:34] <paultag> doctormo: but he wants to fix up a small papercut
[03:35] <doctormo> paultag: Should we org a small Ubuntu Devel Hour here in Boston?
[03:35] <paultag> doctormo: aye
[04:50]  * nigelb waves weakly.
[04:51] <nigelb> Staying up till 3 wasn't a great idea in retrospect.
[07:08] <dpm> good morning everyone
[07:08] <nigelb> morning dpm :)
[07:10] <dpm> hey nigelb :)
[07:22] <AlanBell> nice poster doctormo
[07:24] <doctormo> thanks AlanBell
[07:32] <dholbach> good morning
[07:36] <AlanBell> big file, but here is a poster I am working on (just need logos finalised) http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/uuk/installfest2.pdf
[07:37] <pleia2> hehe, you weren't kidding about big file :)
[07:37] <AlanBell> print resolution
[07:37]  * pleia2 nods
[07:37] <AlanBell> I need to change some of the colours to CMYK
[07:38]  * nigelb o.O at pleia2
[07:38] <nigelb> I thought you went to bed! :D
[07:38] <pleia2> awww, I love it
[07:38] <pleia2> nigelb: nope, still up
[07:38]  * nigelb hugs pleia2 :)
[07:38] <pleia2> I have company this week, so keep getting distracted
[07:38]  * pleia2 hugs nigelb
[07:38] <AlanBell> 07:38 here, just had brekkie
[07:39] <AlanBell> IRC in my pyjamas
[07:39] <nigelb> heh
[07:39]  * pleia2 irc in pajamas from the other end of the day
[07:39]  * nigelb sitting at work.
[07:39] <AlanBell> in pyjamas?
[07:40] <nigelb> No :p
[07:40] <nigelb> Formals.
[07:40] <pleia2> lol
[07:41] <nigelb> Playing with PHP, javascript, and google maps.  Fun.
[07:50] <dpm> wow, I just go away one sec and the channel gets all busy
[07:51] <dpm> hi pleia2, doctormo, morgen dholbach, good morning AlanBell!
[07:51] <dholbach> hola dpm
[07:52] <pleia2> hey dpm
[07:56] <dholbach> how are you all doing?
[07:57] <dpm> \o/
[07:57] <AlanBell> o/
[07:57] <doctormo> hi dpm
[07:57] <nigelb> bright sunny day today!
[07:58] <doctormo> AlanBell: looking at your pdf
[07:58] <nigelb> Finally, the rains have abated somewhat
[07:58] <nigelb> morning kim0 :)
[07:59] <kim0> nigelb: morning man :) u're fast ehe
[07:59] <nigelb> kim0: heh, speed is everything :p
[07:59] <kim0> :D
[07:59] <nigelb> (also you manage to pop in right when I'm looking at the channel)
[08:00]  * kim0 waves morning to everyone
[08:01] <dholbach> kim0, صباح الخير
[08:01] <kim0> dholbach: :D
[08:01] <kim0> dholbach: sabah el noor hehe
[08:01]  * nigelb blinks
[08:01] <kim0> dholbach is multilingual
[08:02] <nigelb> dholbach: did you type in arabic?
[08:02] <dholbach> kim0, not as much as I'd like :)
[08:02] <nigelb> (it showed up as ???? ????? here)
[08:02] <kim0> nigelb: yes he did
[08:02] <nigelb> I wonder why my terminal isn't doing utf8
[08:02] <dholbach> nigelb, I cheated - I knew what I had to type and used google translate's transcription feature :)
[08:02] <nigelb> dholbach: hahaha
[08:02] <kim0> life is easy these days :D
[08:02] <dholbach> I never learned to use an arabic/persian keyboard or keyboard mapping
[08:03] <doctormo> AlanBell: I like the photo :-) you have some alignment issues with the text and I'm not sure about "Free operating system", could that be "Free Desktop software"?
[08:03] <dholbach> but I guess I could have picked each character individually from gucharmap :)
[08:03]  * dholbach is lazy
[08:03] <dholbach> kim0, ^ right?
[08:03] <kim0> yeah guess so too
[08:03] <doctormo> kim0: You know Arabic?
[08:03] <nigelb> doctormo: he's from egypt :D
[08:03] <kim0> hehe yes
[08:04] <dpm> morning kim0
[08:04] <kim0> dpm: hola david
[08:04] <doctormo> kim0: Keefa Halak? (my arabic is terrible)
[08:04] <nigelb> Zain! :D
[08:04]  * nigelb still remembers rudimentery arabic
[08:04] <kim0> doctormo: alhamdolelah :)
[08:05] <kim0> weird .. almost everyone seems to know bits n pieces
[08:05] <kim0> never really expected this hehe
[08:05] <doctormo> kim0: Why wouldn't people know how to say thank you and how are you in a zillion languages?
[08:05]  * nigelb lived in an arab country for 6 years.
[08:05] <dholbach> nigelb, where did you live?
[08:05] <kim0> doctormo: yeah that would be great indeed
[08:06] <kim0> uae ?
[08:06] <nigelb> doctormo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salalah
[08:06] <nigelb> better than UAE :p
[08:06] <kim0> hehe
[08:06] <kim0> Qatar ?
[08:06] <nigelb> Oman
[08:07] <kim0> oh .. sweet
[08:07] <kim0> not really a popular destination I guess
[08:07] <doctormo> Actually there was an interesting BBC show on recently called "Science and Islam" presented by Jim Al-Khalili.
[08:08] <nigelb> kim0: Not many big cities.  Mostly small cities and ecotourism is very big there.
[08:08] <dpm> the pictures certainly look nice!
[08:09] <kim0> nigelb: but I bet it's burning there most of the time :D
[08:09] <nigelb> kim0: Nope.  Milder temperatures.
[08:09] <nigelb> we even have a month of rains, etc
[08:10] <kim0> hmm .. sounds really good
[08:10] <nigelb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khareef
[08:10] <nigelb> Monsoon hits that part of the arabian gulf :)
[08:13]  * dpm goes into e-mail crunching mode
[08:13]  * dholbach ignores what dpm just said
[08:14] <kim0> heheee
[08:18] <dpm> :)
[08:23] <dholbach> hola ara
[08:23] <ara> good morning dholbach!
[08:25] <nigelb> morning ara :)
[08:36] <doctormo> AlanBell: didyou go to bed?
[08:43] <AlanBell> I did, yes
[08:44] <AlanBell> it is morning now
[08:44] <AlanBell> just seen your comment
[08:45] <AlanBell> yeah, good point
[08:47] <doctormo> AlanBell: Need any symbolic design assistance?
[08:50] <AlanBell> think we are OK, we have a bunch of alternatives for the Ubuntu-UK logo but all pretty similar to that one
[08:50] <AlanBell> we are about to run a poll and vote on them
[09:01] <duanedesign> morning all
[09:02] <duanedesign> doctormo: did you get the fridge logo sorted out?
[09:02] <doctormo> duanedesign: No, because there is some disagreement about the literalness of a logo and the difference between a logo and a decoration.
[09:11] <duanedesign> doctormo: ahh. Doesn't sound like anything i can help with :)
[09:12] <doctormo> Just one of those things, sometimes one artist can't do a specific work and it requires someone else.
[09:15] <czajkowski> morning
[09:20] <doctormo> hey czajkowski, aloha.
[09:20] <czajkowski> hows folks
[09:20]  * nigelb waves to czajkowski
[09:21] <czajkowski> so if anyone knows Mr. Sandman could you please ask him to visit me  *yawns*
[09:27] <doctormo> czajkowski: I hear he's off visiting his family in Aruba. the bastard. It's 4:27am here.
[09:27] <czajkowski> We got a new approved loco last night http://www.lczajkowski.com/2010/08/17/august-17th-loco-council-meeting/
[09:31] <jussi> czajkowski: go to your tea shop and ask for the sleepy tea :D
[09:33] <dpm> hola ara, hey duanedesign, jussi, morning czajkowski
[09:37] <czajkowski> jussi: tea shop is back in dublin :(
[09:41] <ara> hey dpm
[09:55] <doctormo> czajkowski: They don't have any tea shops where you are?
[09:55] <czajkowski> not like the fancy ones in dublin, I can go to the market on saturday though
[10:36] <duanedesign> dpm: was looking for translation related docs this morning...needless to say I got sidetracked :) That bear holding the lamp in your photostream is awesome!
[11:25] <dpm> duanedesign, ah, the bear :). I got a bit confused (a bear... holding a lamp...?) I had to look at it myself again: http://is.gd/en3l6
[11:28] <nigelb> mwahahahaha
[11:28] <nigelb> dpm: that photo rocks!
[11:28] <nigelb> dholbach: that is a visual representation of the Catalan spirit I guess :p
[11:29] <dpm> absolutely :)
[11:57] <duanedesign> dpm: :) that is definetly a sentence I would not have guessed I would be typing today.
[11:58] <nigelb> duanedesign: hahaha
[12:15] <Pendulum> duanedesign: you mean you're not psychic and can't figured out what you're going to say 24 hours a head of time? :P
[12:28] <AlanBell> morning Pendulum
[12:28] <Pendulum> hiya AlanBell
[13:08] <nigelb> Pendulum: hehe, reminds me of a dialogue from "Next"
[13:52] <dholbach> loco.ubuntu.com 0.2.16 - full of awesome
[13:53] <dholbach> loco.u.c has dpm and nhandler on front of it
[13:54] <dpm> dholbach, hahaha, I was wondering what that meant
[13:54] <dpm> The LD does look awesome indeed!
[13:54] <dholbach> not my doing, but yeah :-D
[13:55] <nhandler> Cool. All the Ubuntu Chicago dents are on the front :)
[13:55] <czajkowski> whoooooo
[13:55] <czajkowski> looks fab
[13:55] <czajkowski> <3
[13:55]  * nhandler still thinks redents should not show up
[13:55] <dpm> dholbach, I didn't have anything to do with it, but it seems the Catalan team is featured 3 times on http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/#Europe :)
[13:55] <czajkowski> main page looks a lot better to land on
[13:56] <dholbach> dpm, known bug
[13:56] <dholbach> dpm, I'll give it a higher importance
[13:57] <dpm> no worries from me, that means the team is even more exposed! :)
[13:57] <nhandler> I also will probably file a bug requesting that when the user clicks on a continent in the map, only those locos should appear in the list
[13:58] <dpm> I've just realised there is no Spanish official LoCo
[13:58] <czajkowski> nope
[13:59] <czajkowski> ther is a spanishteam
[13:59] <czajkowski> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/spainteam
[13:59] <dpm> yeah, I saw that one, but it's not approved, and IIRC, it's not very active
[14:00] <czajkowski> aye
[14:00] <czajkowski> astrian loco got approved last night
[14:01] <dholbach> czajkowski, austrian or asturian?
[14:01] <czajkowski> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AsturianTeam/ApprovalApplication
[14:01] <czajkowski> them
[14:02] <dholbach> gotcha
[14:02] <dpm> yeah, they are awesome
[14:04] <highvoltage> `/o Narwhals narwhals, swimming in the ocean, causing a commotion, coz they are so awesome! o/`
[14:05] <nigelb> highvoltage: vish told you so.
[14:05] <nigelb> It is addictive.
[14:09] <paultag> nhandler: e-jat has a shoddy connection, it looks like
[14:09] <e-jat> paultag: sorry..
[14:10] <paultag> e-jat: Oh I did not see you there
[14:10] <paultag> e-jat: your connection is going nuts, do you see that too?"
[14:10] <paultag> tr -d "\""
[14:11] <e-jat> yeah .. trying to trace out quasselcore build for mac .. then they rebuild it .. doing test on the new build .. sorry to bother your guys screen :)
[14:11] <paultag> e-jat: quassel is pretty cool, I don't mind -- just making sure you knew
[14:12] <czajkowski> see joys of having joins parts on ignore
[14:12] <paultag> czajkowski: yeah, but then I end up talking to people who are not there
[14:12] <paultag> this is why I need to write my own IRC client. Have it do a ramp-up ignore
[14:13] <czajkowski> paultag: if you start to tab their name and cant it's a good sign
[14:13] <e-jat> wow .. paultag .. what client u use?
[14:13] <paultag> czajkowski: sometimes I don't tab
[14:13] <paultag> e-jat: irssi
[14:13] <nigelb> czajkowski: hahah
[14:13] <paultag> ejat: it's starting to frustrate me
[14:13] <ejat> paultag: owh .. so u ignore the join/part
[14:13] <paultag> ejat: nope, I don't mind them. Really, I'd like to have a threashold of actions / second, and if it crosses that, set to ignore
[14:14] <ejat> i wish i had xs to someone who has quasselcore :) .. seem like i didnt have a box to load the core ...
[14:15] <ejat> am i disturbing ya discussion in here ?
[14:16]  * ejat just wondering ... i hope not ..
[14:16] <paultag> highvoltage: was talking about narwhals
[14:16] <paultag> I don't think we're missing much
[14:21] <jussi> right. I am a freaking marketer and I cant even remember all my english grammar... someone want to help me with some thing?
[14:21] <nigelb> jussi: sure.  What do you want?
[14:21] <jussi> "Navicron’s luxury mobile phone customers" or "Navicrons luxury mobile phone customers"
[14:21] <nigelb> full sentence?
[14:22] <nigelb> jussi: I'm leaning towards the first one, but I can confirm if you give the full sentence.
[14:23] <dholbach> if you know somebody who is admin or owner of a loco launchpad team who does not have a country set for their team, please talk to them
[14:23] <dholbach> loco.ubuntu.com/teams doesn't look as good as it could
[14:24] <dholbach> alright - heading home, out of the office, bbiab
[14:28] <nigelb> jussi: the vodafone thing is a reference to an ad campaign they run in INdia.
[14:28] <nigelb> Its titled "We are happy to help you" or something like that
[14:32] <jussi> ahh
[14:57] <cjohnston> jussi: ping
[14:57] <jussi> no
[14:57] <jussi> :P
[14:58] <cjohnston> your bots aren't playing nicely!
[14:58] <czajkowski> who killed out bot
[14:59] <jussi> which ones?
[14:59] <czajkowski> ubot in #ubutnu-locteams
[14:59]  * jussi suspects jpds...
[14:59] <czajkowski> the factoid
[15:00] <jcastro> ara: woo, nice work, I'm adding the testcase stuff to my upstream pages so people know they can contribute them
[15:00] <ara> jcastro, great! thanks, please, convince vincent to add my blog to planet gnome as well ;-P
[15:01] <jcastro> I have no power
[15:01] <jcastro> I brought it up with someone at GUADEC
[15:57] <jcastro> man
[15:57] <jcastro> seb128 totally brutalized my bugs folder this morning, he's on one of his missions
[16:00] <jono> dpm, dholbach, jcastro, kim0 ready?
[16:00] <dholbach> jono, yes
[16:00] <dpm> hi jono, all set
[16:01] <jcastro> I am
[16:01] <kim0> set
[16:02] <jono> one sec, connection issues
[16:04] <akgraner> JFo - I have a new favorite song - "Takin Up Space" by Van Zant  - woo hoo!
[16:04] <JFo> heh
[16:04] <akgraner> JFo, we should have named the podcast "Takin Up Space" hehe
[16:04] <JFo> :-D
[16:05] <JFo> we can do a subtitle
[16:05] <JFo> http://www.cafepress.com/cp/customize/product.aspx?clear=true&number=%20464060945
[16:05] <akgraner> maybe van zant will let us use the song - can you email whomever and get permission :-)
[16:05] <dholbach> http://loco.ubuntu.com/
[16:05] <dholbach> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/195/detail/
[16:05]  * JFo gets right on that
[16:06] <akgraner> JFo, I like it :-)
[16:07] <nigelb> JFo: Nice :)
[16:08] <JFo> :)
[16:23] <jcastro> vish: I can't find the DMB agenda or whatever for that guy
[16:23] <vish> jcastro: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/08/03/%23ubuntu-meeting.html
[16:24]  * vish looks for dmb meeting schedule too
[16:24] <jcastro> that's what I couldn't find
[16:25] <jcastro> this will be enough, ta
[16:25] <jcastro> txwikinger: when is that meeting on thursday?
[16:25] <jcastro> there's no time on it
[16:26] <txwikinger> I think it is a meeting that he is going to (probably SE internal)
[16:26] <jcastro> ok
[16:26] <jcastro> mind if I respond?
[16:27] <txwikinger> I think he wants some info of the 5 questions
[16:27] <txwikinger> No.. just go ahead
[16:27] <jcastro> ok
[16:27] <txwikinger> I said to dissiminate the e-mail to the right people
[16:27] <txwikinger> He said
[16:54]  * nigelb added an event to UGJ!
[16:56] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day
[16:56] <dholbach> time for the French class
[16:56]  * nigelb hugs dholbach
[16:56] <nigelb> g'nite :)
[16:57]  * dholbach hugs nigelb back
[16:57] <dholbach> byeeeeee
[16:57] <dpm> see you dholbach!
[16:57] <dholbach> bye dpm
[17:09] <nigelb> jono: poke?
[17:11] <jono> nigelb, otp
[17:13] <nigelb> jono: see PM :)
[17:14]  * nigelb goes to find more people to pester about the counter :D
[17:44] <nhandler> nigelb: What counter?
[17:44] <nigelb> nhandler: daniel.holba.ch
[17:44] <nigelb> scroll to the bottom of his blog
[18:05] <nhandler> nigelb: I've tossed it on the new WP version of the Fridge for when it goes live.
[18:11] <jcastro> http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/972747038/contributor-spotlight-bilal-akhtar
[18:11] <jcastro> post a thanks!
[18:12] <nhandler> Hmm...That reminds me, we are probably due for a new Hall of Fame person
[19:00] <czajkowski> nhandler: so how many do you think we should get this month?
[19:01] <nhandler> czajkowski: No clue. How many Locos are signed up for the Global Jam right now?
[19:01] <czajkowski> Can robbie just answer all emails from now on on the Request for candidates: Application review board.
[19:01] <czajkowski> nhandler: 19
[19:01] <jcastro> czajkowski: 4 more hours until needle time!
[19:02] <nhandler> czajkowski: The trick is getting those teams to a) setup team reporting and b) Report about the jam ;)
[19:06] <czajkowski> nhandler: there are 38 Ubuntu hours
[19:06] <czajkowski> nhandler: care to tag team this for the rest of the month
[19:06] <czajkowski> nhandler: CC have t as an action item
[19:07] <czajkowski> the only RMB which didnt do one was Asia perhaps go poke them ?
[19:07] <czajkowski> jcastro: niiiiiice :)
[19:08] <nhandler> czajkowski: Sure. I can talk to the Asia RMB about that.
[19:08] <czajkowski> cool
[19:10] <czajkowski> Anyone going to the MeeGo Conference in DUblin this year ?
[19:27] <akgraner> paultag, you have mail ie UbuCon
[19:28] <akgraner> paultag_, even ^^^^^
[19:28] <paultag_> akgraner: woo
[19:28] <paultag_> akgraner: kk, sec
[19:28] <paultag_> akgraner: got it, just a sec and i'll kick it back out
[19:29] <akgraner> sweet - thanks
[19:29] <paultag_> sure, thank YOU!!!
[19:29] <highvoltage> UbuCon!? Where!?
[19:30] <paultag_> highvoltage: Ohio, USA
[19:30] <Pendulum> highvoltage: Ohio Linux Fest
[19:30] <highvoltage> oh nice.
[19:30] <paultag_> highvoltage: c'mon over! :P
[19:30] <Pendulum> which, if I can sort money for a hotel, I might try to make it to!
[19:30] <paultag_> Pendulum: I just saved up and got my hotel
[19:30] <highvoltage> paultag_: when is it?
[19:30] <paultag_> highvoltage: september 20-something
[19:30] <paultag_> 26 I think
[19:30] <Pendulum> paultag_: no job :(
[19:31] <Pendulum> highvoltage: Sept 10-12
[19:31] <paultag_> Pendulum: :'(
[19:31] <paultag_> Oh jesus
[19:31] <paultag_> I'm just way wrong
[19:31] <Pendulum> at least, according to the website :P
[19:31] <paultag_> Holy god, that's coming up
[19:31] <Pendulum> the problem is I have a doctor's appointment on the 10th that I can't skip
[19:31] <highvoltage> I'm already taking a lot of time from work to attend Ubuntu UDS, LTSP BTS and taking some leave in between but I'll see what I can do with arm-turning
[19:31] <Pendulum> so it depends on how crazy I feel like driving after that
[19:32] <paultag_> highvoltage: :)
[19:32] <highvoltage> ohio linuxfest sounds like fun, if I can't go this year I'll make a plan to definitely go to the next :)
[19:32] <paultag_> Pendulum: yeah, it's a 12 hour drive
[19:32] <paultag_> highvoltage: :)
[19:33] <Pendulum> paultag_: 11 from here
[19:34] <Pendulum> so unlikely, but we'll see
[19:34] <paultag_> Pendulum: :P
[19:34] <Pendulum> but I really can't move appointment as the doctor is next booking in like January and I need to see her sooner than that!
[19:34] <paultag_> Pendulum: no sweat. That stuff comes first
[19:35] <Pendulum> yeah
[19:35] <Pendulum> just annoying
[19:35] <paultag_> It's OK. F/OSS should never get in the way of IRL stuff
[19:35] <Pendulum> although I probably should limit myself to UDS anyway for health reasons :(
[19:47]  * paultag_ hugs akgraner
[19:49] <akgraner> paultag_, thanks!
[20:29] <czajkowski> jcastro: not long now :)
[20:30] <jcastro> :D
[20:32] <czajkowski> jcastro: take pics and tweet so we can see as you go along!
[20:32] <jcastro> I will
[20:33] <czajkowski> :)
[20:51]  * jcastro is off to a late lunch now that I finally found my car keys
[20:51] <jcastro> I almost starved to death!
[20:52] <czajkowski> eat food before tattoo
[20:52] <jcastro> nod
[20:53] <paultag> lolwut
[20:53] <paultag> czajkowski: do you have some awesome ink?
[20:53] <czajkowski> me
[20:53] <czajkowski> yup
[20:53]  * czajkowski loves her ink and plans more
[20:54] <czajkowski> much to the annoyance of the mothership(mum)  I was not allowed home for a few days when she found out I had 4 of them
[20:55] <paultag> oh noes
[20:56] <paultag> czajkowski: what are they of?
[20:56] <czajkowski> tribal designs
[20:56] <czajkowski> dragon going down my back
[20:57] <paultag> that's pretty rad
[21:03] <czajkowski> got it for my 21st after I saw kiss of the dragon
[21:03] <czajkowski> the others are all different ones I've had ideas on and explained them to the tattoo guy and he's drawn them
[21:07] <Pendulum> paultag: she's got pretty flowers on her foot!
[21:08] <czajkowski> aye that was my 30th bday mid life crisis
[21:08] <paultag> :)
[21:08] <czajkowski> though it was a few months later
[21:09] <AlanBell> I didn't think I was old enough for a mid life crisis
[21:10] <czajkowski> I need an excuse for all the drawings and other stuff I've done in my life
[21:13] <Pendulum> AlanBell: do you have any ink?
[21:14] <AlanBell> guess!
[21:14] <paultag> AlanBell: knowing you? Teardrop below the eye
[21:16]  * Pendulum can't decide if that's a trick question or not
[21:20] <jono> akgraner, hey
[21:22] <AlanBell> Pendulum: no trick, just think you should guess and I will tell you if you got it right
[21:22] <jono> akgraner, free now?
[21:22] <Pendulum> bah, so now I'm overthinking it
[21:23] <paultag> AlanBell: was I right?
[21:23] <paultag> I bet I was
[21:23] <akgraner> jono, yep
[21:24] <jono> akgraner, can we do skype?
[21:24] <akgraner> yep
[21:25] <Pendulum> AlanBell: I'm going to go with you don't have any
[21:26] <AlanBell> you are right
[21:26] <Pendulum> that was my first thought, but occasionally you surprise me
[21:26] <AlanBell> paultag: so wrong!
[21:27] <czajkowski> lol
[21:27] <paultag> Oh noes.
[21:27] <AlanBell> Pendulum: no, this time I am totally predictable
[22:12] <nhandler> czajkowski: Probably worth noting in your testdrive dent that it has recently gotten a GTK frontend (for people who might have tried it before)


[15:48] <themachine> Can you put network information in a #cloud-config or does that stuff have to come from a different data source?
[16:21] <rbasak> themachine: I don't think you can do that in a normal setup, because userdata is fetched over the network normally.
[16:25] <themachine> hm
[16:38] <rharper> themachine: there are a few datasources which can provide a network-config, they are "local" datasources, ie they are readable by the instance without networking configured,  ConfigDrive  and NoCloud are the primary ones, and in their structure, you can include a network-config file for cloud-init to read and apply.  Note the network-config file is separate from user-data or other scripts one might include.  https://cloudinit.read
[16:38] <rharper> thedocs.io/en/latest/topics/datasources.html  and https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/network-config.html have more details
[16:39] <themachine> Gotcha. I'll get to reading. Thank you for the direction.
[21:54] <blackboxsw_> falcojr: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/934/files approved for handling MIME upgrade issues across major/minor python upgrades
[21:54] <blackboxsw_> Maynbe we waiton robjo or Moustafa to respond there and land tomorrow.


[02:33] <ubptgbot> mikdmst was added by: mikdmst
[03:30] <ubptgbot> Natureway was added by: Natureway
[05:04] <ubptgbot> Klausraem was added by: Klausraem
 Hi, … Someone know how can I install Ubuntu on my galaxy note 10.1? … I don't use it anymore because of Android. So I need a alternative. … Thanks at all
 Anybody has tried to install UT edge..
 @Klausraem [Hi, … Someone know how can I install Ubuntu on my galaxy note 10.1? … I don't use it …], you would need to port it  - http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/first-steps.html … and http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/introduction.html
 @TotalSonic [you would need to port it  - http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/first-step …], The problem is that my tablet is not listed on a compatibility list. … When I port it, do am I able to install any OS that I want?
 @Klausraem [The problem is that my tablet is not listed on a compatibility list. … When I port …], I have never ported any device so I can't help with that.  You might want to ask at the Halium channel - https://t.me/halium
 @TotalSonic [I have never ported any device so I can't help with that.  You might want to ask …], I'll check it, thank you
 @dohbee [You don't understand swastikas either then.], Good thing you do...
 @dohbee [Reboot?], I'm having this problem for months now...
 @dohbee [You don't understand swastikas either then.], [Edit] Good thing you do...  … and how much you know about I know about the sun symbol used by Buddhists for example. I never had the impression being in a Nazi temple when visiting a buddhist temple, seeing swastikals all over the place.. … I get your point but I think in this ca
[09:18] <ubptgbot> se you can't look at it in a black and white way but a grey way...
 @dohbee [You don't understand swastikas either then.], [Edit] Good thing you do...  … and how much you know about I know about the sun symbol used by Buddhists for example. I never had the impression being in a Nazi temple when visiting a taoistic temple, seeing swastikals all over the place.. … I get your point but I think in this ca
[09:19] <ubptgbot> se you can't look at it in a black and white way but a grey way...
 @dohbee [You don't understand swastikas either then.], [Edit] Good thing you do...  … and how much you know about I know about the sun symbol used by Taoists for example. I never had the impression being in a Nazi temple when visiting a taoistic temple, seeing swastikals all over the place.. … I get your point but I think in this case
[09:19] <ubptgbot>  you can't look at it in a black and white way but a grey way...
 @einserpasch [I'm having this problem for months now...], If it does not appear again after reboot, then perhaps your wifi-module my be broken?!
 @einserpasch [I'm having this problem for months now...], [Edit] If it does not appear again after reboot, then perhaps your wifi-module may be broken?!
 Within these month I have rebooted a couple of times...
 Is there a way to check if it's really broken or if it's a software problem?
 @einserpasch [Good thing you do...  … and how much you know about I know about the sun symbol us …], This isn't a temple, standing for a thousand years, with the symbolism of a cartoon frog, as part of some ancient religion. This is 1930s Europe and America, where a co-opted symbol has been taken, and shoved in our faces constantly by a re
[10:39] <ubptgbot> gime who wants to eliminate anyone who doesn't fit their ideals.
 @einserpasch [Is there a way to check if it's really broken or if it's a software problem?], It might help to provide more context, such as what device, update channel, and os version you are on
 @Mikeee_128 [Anybody has tried to install UT edge..], On what device? I tried it on Pro 5 and Nexus 7. Works rather well, some bugs( with browser ) but very, very fast, fluid, promising...
 @Mikeee_128 [Anybody has tried to install UT edge..], [Edit] On what device? I tried it on Pro 5 and Nexus 7. Works rather well, some bugs( with browser ) but very, very fast, fluid, promising... Have a look here: https://github.com/orgs/ubports/projects/10
 Does anyone knows why the old Browser on 15.04 have had a very large cache, sometimes filled with 225Mb of data and the new Morph Browser have very small one, approximately 12 Mb of data on average? Might be this the cause of Unity8 crashes while browsing net?
[11:11] <ubptgbot> oisvfndkl was added by: oisvfndkl
 @dohbee [It might help to provide more context, such as what device, update channel, and …], Sure  … 16.04 , stable , OPO
 @einserpasch [Sure  … 16.04 , stable , OPO], ok, this sounds like the classic config missing on android side for wifi mac setup. @Flohack ^^ do you remember what the fix was?
 @einserpasch [Is there a way to check if it's really broken or if it's a software problem?], Please check content of /persist partition in either recovery or the running system, should be /system/persist or so. Is there a Wifi config file?
 @Flohack [Please check content of /persist partition in either recovery or the running sys …], I can't access it via my phone. it's forbidden. do I have to connect it to the computer ? if so, how can access the system files?
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/dhKfp043.png
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/dpCyQh5a.png
 But persist seems to be empty...
 [Edit] But persist seems to be empty... … and has a weird date and time of creation... 🤔
 @einserpasch [But persist seems to be empty... … and has a weird date and time of creation... 🤔], I am on the road now, lemme send you a howto later
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/T23b21nM.png
 @j2g2rp [<reply to media>], Whats in wifi btw
 @einserpasch [But persist seems to be empty... … and has a weird date and time of creation... 🤔], I don't know what you want to check but if you want to access to persist you can try the comands of the screenshot. Be carefull typeying when you do sudo su since you can break something ;)
 @Flohack [Whats in wifi btw], mine is empty. I posted it to show him a way to access to /persist
 Ok clear.
[15:35] <ubptgbot> FinlayDaG33k was added by: FinlayDaG33k
 Hya :)  … Anyone who can help me out? … I need to allow the user `rslsync` to write to the sdcard of my device (Krillin)... which has proven to be a pain right now... … Chmodding the sdcard to 775 doesn't seem to work :\
 @FinlayDaG33k [Hya :)  … Anyone who can help me out? … I need to allow the user rslsync to write t …], Where did you get `rslsync` from?  Is that group even available in `/etc/group`?
 what is it?
 oh it's some proprietary file sharing thing
 ^
 @FinlayDaG33k [Hya :)  … Anyone who can help me out? … I need to allow the user rslsync to write t …], you are running Ubuntu Touch from ubports on your e4.5? are you running rslsync inside libertine?
 yes, UT from ubports on a e4.5. … rslsync outside libertine
 i don't know what specifically it needs to work, but UT is not a traditional linux distro, and if rslsync is expecting to work based on the assumption it's running on one, you might be better off setting it up inside libertine
 Well... I just want rslsync to run on the phone because I want to slap my music on the thing :p … How would Libertine handle it when it comes to writing to the SD card? (and the web UI for that matter)
 What about just connecting using a USB cable ?
 @FinlayDaG33k [Well... I just want rslsync to run on the phone because I want to slap my music …], why can't it write to the sd card?
 @malditobastardo [What about just connecting using a USB cable ?], Because I'm not at my desk that much.. also, I sometimes go like: "oh, I actually want this now" when in something like public transit. … With rslsync I can just tap a button and sync it over (and remove it from ym device when I'm tired of it for a while) :)
 @dohbee [why can't it write to the sd card?], Permission error
 @FinlayDaG33k [Permission error], you need to be more specific
 what is the exact error? what permission? what filesystem is on the SD card? does it have any data on it already? can you see the data in UT? can you save files to SD card from UT apps?
 Well, I don't hav emuch info on it myself honestly... … I know that rslsync runs as the `rslsync` user (which I've hacked into the `phablet` group). … However, the sd card is mounted as 744 (I think? might be 755) so only the `phablet` user can write to it but the `phablet` group can't. … It works perfectly fine when I do stuff as th
[16:32] <ubptgbot> e `phablet` user.
 why aren't you running rslsync as phablet user? you shouldn't need to add other users
[16:33] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @dohbee [i don't know what specifically it needs to work, but UT is not a traditional lin …], Is this true of all versions of Linux mobile OSs that are being developed?
 @John (Marlin) [Is this true of all versions of Linux mobile OSs that are being developed?], i don't know
 I've tried to get that to work the entire day but I get all kinds of errors all over the place when I fiddle around with the systemd. … When I try to just overwrite the systemd service for rslsync, it just ignores my overwriting stuff and continues as the `rslsync` user anyways
[16:35] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> Thanks
 @FinlayDaG33k [I've tried to get that to work the entire day but I get all kinds of errors all …], UT doesn't use systemd. it sues upstart
 @FinlayDaG33k [I've tried to get that to work the entire day but I get all kinds of errors all …], [Edit] UT doesn't use systemd. it uses upstart
 ...
 *facepalm*
 hangon, I'll try to fiddle around with upstart
 Well, that was a lot easier than I expected...
 Now for another question, when building an app for UT, do you guys have a requirement when it comes to visuals or can I let my imagination go wild?
 What do you want to do?
 build a glorified MP3 player :^)
 i guess bq already did that for you :P
 no seriously... I still had my e4.5 laying around and didn't know what to do with it until my old MP3 died xD
 @dohbee [i guess bq already did that for you :P], +1
 I'm probably going to build a new music app though... dunno, the current one doesn't look nor feel very nice... Might take a while though, haven't made an app for UT in like 3 years or so
 @FinlayDaG33k [I'm probably going to build a new music app though... dunno, the current one doe …], What about improving it instead of reinvent the wheel?
 @malditobastardo [What about improving it instead of reinvent the wheel?], personal opinions/preferences aren't necessarily "improvements" to an app though
 True
 @dohbee [personal opinions/preferences aren't necessarily "improvements" to an app though], Exactly this
 @j2g2rp [<reply to media>], What ist the app that you are using?
 @einserpasch [What ist the app that you are using?], Terminal.
 Ah, just Sound it 🙃
 [Edit] Ah, just found  it 🙃
 I'll probably check the code of the current music player and fork it if I understand whats going on tho. … I'm mainly specialized in UX :p
 @Flohack [Please check content of /persist partition in either recovery or the running sys …], Doesn't seem to be.. there is a Wifi_sensitivity_switch....
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/MLpi6N8A.png
 @j2g2rp [I don't know what you want to check but if you want to access to persist you can …], Do I have to undo the sudo command? or is shutting down the terminal enough?  … thanks ☺
 Close the terminal is enough
 @einserpasch [Do I have to undo the sudo command? or is shutting down the terminal enough?  … th …], or just run `exit`
 Or hit the `CTRL+D` shortcut shown above the OSK.
 oh, yeah, that too
 I started to realize that building apps for UT might be more difficult for me than I thought... I forgot I don't run Ubuntu on my desktop n laptop anymore :D
 [Edit] I started to realize that building apps for UT might be more difficult for me than I thought... I forgot I don't run Ubuntu on my desktop n laptop anymore (and they are too weak for VMs) :D
 you don't have to run ubuntu
 and well you don't need a VM for a chroot/container either
 Oh, I noticed that Cordova also supports UT
 well, not exactly
 hm?
 the cordova plug-in is not actively maintained afaik and i think has been removed from newer upstream versions of cordova
 oh :\
 bummer
 a music player in cordova wouldn't be terribly efficient either
 but http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/appdev/index.html is where to start i guess
 Ah, so Clickable is what UT uses now
 it is one method to develop apps, yes
 aye
 or well, to build apps. it is itself not an IDE
 ye, it's an SDK (if that's the right term)
 not really. it's a tool/container for cross-compiling an app for deployment to a device (and the open store)
 ah
 @einserpasch [Doesn't seem to be.. there is a Wifi_sensitivity_switch....], Can you follow this article?
 @einserpasch [Doesn't seem to be.. there is a Wifi_sensitivity_switch....], [Edit] Can you follow this article? https://forums.ubports.com/topic/2249/no-more-wlan-after-ota-6-7-update-on-opo
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 @FinlayDaG33k [Oh, I noticed that Cordova also supports UT], if you can get cordova working and upstream it again they could work, as it used to work as mentioned in Q&A 55
 @Flohack [Can you follow this article? https://forums.ubports.com/topic/2249/no-more-wlan- …], A bit... I will try that  …  /system -iname WCNSS_qcom_cfg.ini
 ok. this returns me 'command not found'
 @einserpasch [A bit... I will try that  …  /system -iname WCNSS_qcom_cfg.ini], The command is: `find /system -iname WCNSS_qcom_cfg.ini`
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[08:35] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: Broadcom swims upstream, tackles Linux WiFi woes with new open drivers  http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/09/broadcom-announces-official-open-source-drivers-for-linux.ars
[08:36] <nUboon2Age> says meerkat will carry them
[17:08] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: i've misplaced the ietherpad address -- or has it moved to another location?
[17:12] <pleia2> nUboon2Age: it moved to the ubuntu-uk one, sec
[17:12] <popey> \o/
[17:12] <pleia2> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UWN and http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UWN-Ideas
[17:14] <nUboon2Age> thanks pleia2 and popey.  after that discussion popey i kinda thought there might be a move over to your site.  i put a coupla things up there myself. :-)
[17:26] <popey> :)


[09:37] <xubuntu14i> hello
[09:37] <xubuntu14i> is anyone here?
[09:38] <cfhowlett> less time wasted to just ask your ubuntu questions
[09:38] <xubuntu14i> i just installed the new desktop on my computer
[09:39] <xubuntu14i> i wonder if i need to install something to begin programming?
[09:42] <cfhowlett> you have a terminal.  program away.
[09:43] <flux242> terminal and vim ftw, huh
[09:43] <xubuntu14i> i prefer using text editor instead, does it support atom ?
[09:43] <xubuntu14i> or eclipse?
[09:45] <cfhowlett> open your software center and search.
[09:45] <xubuntu14i> btw which desktop were you using before xubuntu? do you regret switching the desktop?
[09:45] <cfhowlett> really doesn't matter what other people think, you have to deal with YOUR system, preferences and working style
[09:47] <xubuntu14i> just asking to know if it has any flaws. does it have any?
[09:48] <cfhowlett> "flaws"?  all programs have them.  we decide they matter or they don't.  suggest you choose a tool or two and learn how it works.
[09:48] <flocculant> https://atom.io/
[09:49] <xubuntu14i> ok, thanks for you helpfullness :-)
[09:49] <flux242> did they fix atom already or it still works as slow as hell?
[09:49] <flocculant> no idea
[09:49] <flocculant> I use it for some things - but I'm no programmer
[09:50] <flocculant> and tbh - nothing is slow here
[09:56] <flux242> i tried it a year ago or so and it was slow as hell in comparison with the sublime text
[11:59] <vrld> How can I launch the terminal using the keyboard?
[11:59] <vrld> ctrl+t does not work
[12:01] <flux242> press alt additionally
[12:01] <vrld> that worked, thanks flux242
[12:02] <flocculant> so does super+t
[13:47] <xubuntu61i> hi
[13:47] <mrkramps> hi
[13:48] <xubuntu61i> i how i can install xubuntu and wndows7 with dual boot but in diferents hard drives?
[13:49] <xubuntu61i> can i install xubuntu and wndows7 with dual boot but in diferents hard drives?
[13:49] <mrkramps> yes
[13:50] <xubuntu61i> how?
[13:53] <mrkramps> install windows 7 on preferred hdd, then install xubuntu aon the other hdd and install bootloader (grub) to MBR where windows bootloader was installed
[15:46] <raoul> Hi all :) I have here an fresh xubuntu install When  click the windows key nothing happens.
[15:46] <raoul> how can I set this button to start the menu?
[15:46] <raoul> I looked in settings manager>windows manager>keyboard, but does not seem to have an option for that
[15:47] <mrkramps> which menu? window menu or application menu?
[15:49] <raoul> application menu
[15:49] <raoul> upper left, with all the applications
[15:50] <mrkramps> settings → keyboard → application shortcuts
[15:50] <mrkramps> raoul, the required command depends on the menu … default application menu or whisker menu?
[15:51] <pleia2> whisker is the default now
[15:51] <pleia2> so if it's a fresh install of 16.04, 16.10...
[15:51] <mrkramps> xfce4-popup-whiskermenu then
[15:52] <raoul> oh many thank!
[15:52] <raoul> exactly what I needed, I have searched in there too, I was just looking for the wrong name
[16:16] <n33dsom3h3lp> Hello
[16:16] <n33dsom3h3lp> I have a problem , when i try to install some .deb packages or try to install from the app repository the bar just fills itself and resets and still says "install"
[16:35] <raoul> n33dom3h3lp that is probably, coz there was an error during the isntall
[16:35] <raoul> *install
[16:36] <raoul> what u can do is go to the folder where the .deb file is and install it manually
[16:36] <raoul> this can be done by typing: sudo dpkg --install [deb-package]
[16:36] <raoul> if I would guess there is a unmet dependecy on ur system
[16:36] <raoul> but try that first
[19:48] <nkz> Hi, we are using kdbg debugger on uni for a assembly course. But I can't install this package, I am getting failed to fetch and 403 forbidden with some dependencies when I run sudo apt-get install kdbg. How do I fix this? Here is my terminal after running the command: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23438407/
[19:52] <mrkramps> nkz, the universe repository is enabled?
[19:53] <mrkramps> check Software & Updates → Ubuntu Software
[19:53] <nkz> yes, there is a checkmark
[19:55] <mrkramps> maybe your mirror is currently down
[19:56] <mrkramps> nkz, have you tried running apt-get update?
[19:57] <nkz> mrkramps: I just did it, everything seems ok http://paste.ubuntu.com/23438466/
[19:59] <mrkramps> back to Software & Updates and select a different mirror
[19:59] <nkz> ok
[20:06] <nkz> mrkramps: works! thanks a lot! No wonder mirrors from the third world country don't work
[20:07] <mrkramps> there might be a simple reason like maintainance or minor misconfiguration or something
[20:08] <mrkramps> search results listet several official mirrors temporarily broken over the year
[20:08] <mrkramps> including new zealand and sweden
[20:09] <mrkramps> --year ++years
[20:58] <gebruiker> terminus font looks great with xterm, but with xfce-terminal it is horrible
[20:58] <gebruiker> any workarround here?
[21:06] <mrkramps> ?!
[21:07] <mrkramps> look absolutely great here
[21:09] <gebruike1> mrkramps: http://i.imgur.com/Uyf4Js9.png is how it looks for me
[21:09] <mrkramps> gebruiker, that's not Terminus
[21:10] <gebruiker> according to the font I select it is.. it is just displayed really weird
[21:10] <gebruiker> xterm -fa "terminus" works great
[21:10] <mrkramps> 16.04? 16.10?
[21:10] <gebruiker> 16.04
[21:12] <mrkramps> gebruiker, do you have a file called /etc/fonts/conf.d/70-no-bitmaps.conf
[21:13] <gebruiker> yes the file is present
[21:14] <mrkramps> might be this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/1560114
[21:14] <gebruiker> dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config like in debian?
[21:19] <mrkramps> hm, cannot confirm issue with 16.04.1 in VM
[23:23] <Travis> Hello
[23:24] <Travis> I am having issues with having a dual monitor setup.  If I move the secondary monitor to the left of the main, it becomes the main.  I don't want that.