[00:16] <shurtagul> Why doesnt the gutar tabs applet work in amarok? the wikipedia used to not but it randomly started to, maybe after I upgraded stuff..
[00:17] <valorie> shurtagul: you might check their kde-apps page or whereever the code is
[00:17] <valorie> it's a plugin, not a part of amarok
[00:54] <shurtagul> Also muon disappeared since I moved to the unstable channel.
[02:01] <valorie> shurtagul: muon, or muon package-manager?
[02:01] <valorie> and by "unstable channel" do you mean kci-unstable?
[02:37] <shurtagul> both
[02:37] <shurtagul> and I believe, I added the ppa and upgraded
[02:40] <shurtagul> "Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming." Then goes on to show unmet dependencies.
[02:51] <Sine_> Is this channel for support?
[02:51] <Sine_> Having an issue with 15.10 install.
[03:05] <derekc> Seems after the 3rd or 4th update on Wily I have been getting the 5 key repeating it self even though it's never been pressed.  I don't have another keyboard to test if it's hardware but I did open the keyboard and the board and contacts all seem fine but I was wondering if anyone else is experiencing this and maybe it's software related?
[03:13] <Dragnslcr> derekc- I have seen that once or twice, but I assumed it was just my keyboard. Pressing any other key stopped it.
[03:40] <Sine_> Installation is hanging on Preparing install right before selecting disks
[07:53] <jie__> how can I install wubi in kubuntu?
[08:08] <hateball> !wubi | jie__
[08:08] <hateball> jie__: Note the "Do not use" part.
[08:09] <jie__> WO
[08:09] <jie__> fcitx
[08:09] <jie__> Sorry.
[08:09] <jie__> Do don't see.
[08:10] <jie__> I mean Wubi input method for Chinese.
[08:10] <jie__> It's like Pinyin input method.
[08:16] <hateball> !info ibus-table-wubi
[08:16] <hateball> I have no idea, but this seems to be a package
[08:18] <jie__> In Ubuntu I can through "setting->Language->Support Language" add Chinese
[08:19] <jie__> then through "text entry" add wubi input method.
[08:19] <jie__> but in Kubuntu I can't.
[08:19] <jie__> I must install ibus manually.
[08:20] <jie__> I just want to is have a easy way to have a Chinese input method.
[08:37] <hateball> jie__: maybe they know more in #ubuntu-cn
[08:37] <hateball> !cn
[08:37] <jie__> Ok, thank you.
[12:18] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:03] <mausschubser> hallo, itś me again
[13:03] <mausschubser> still the intel 915 chip
[13:04] <mausschubser> with the same problem as in 14.04
[13:04] <mausschubser> my buttons to close, maximize or minimise a window are gone
[13:04] <mausschubser> kde5 is crap
[13:05] <mausschubser> it`s beta
[13:05] <BluesKaj> kde5 doesn't exist
[13:05] <mausschubser> but you are forced to use it, instead of 4
[13:06] <BluesKaj> it's just kde with plasma 5
[13:06] <mausschubser> does anyone know a possibility to use kde 4 under kubuntu 15.04?
[13:06] <mausschubser> it`s the same
[13:06] <s_20> mausschubser: uh, no
[13:06] <s_20> it's depracated
[13:06] <BluesKaj> nope, I stick with 14.04.3
[13:06] <mausschubser> i have the problem for 4 days now
[13:07] <s_20> you might want to try a different distribution then
[13:07] <mausschubser> upgrading, upgrading, updating
[13:07] <mausschubser> i am running kubuntu for years
[13:07] <mausschubser> i never had such a problem
[13:07] <s_20> so have i, at work, debian at home
[13:07] <s_20> but the upgrade to 5.* was less than smooth
[13:08] <s_20> then i switched to debian (and kde) at work as well, smooth sailing so far
[13:08] <mausschubser> nice words
[13:08] <mausschubser> in the older plasma 5 it worked
[13:08] <mausschubser> but the system was slow, no german
[13:09] <mausschubser> after updating to the latest , my bad, it's that catastrophe, again
[13:10] <mausschubser> s_20: i don't have the time to set up a whole new system
[13:10] <BluesKaj> I have 15.10 on my laptop with the i915 driver for intel gpu , but no problems that you describe mausschubser. Are you using a downloaded theme for desktop?
[13:10] <mausschubser> hmm
[13:10] <mausschubser> might be
[13:10] <mausschubser> let me check
[13:20] <Smurphy> mausschubser: You should use a different window manager theme !
[13:20] <Smurphy> that's all.
[13:29] <BluesKaj> Smurphy, think he's embarassed after all his complaining and criticism, hasn't returned
[13:31] <Smurphy> prolly ...
[13:32] <Smurphy> BTW - do you by chance know if there is a PPA for Plasma 5.5 -> Kubuntu 15.10 ?
[13:36] <BluesKaj> Smurphy, the plasma 5.5 package isn't ready for kubuntu, but it should be in the backports in a few days from what i was told by the devs yesterday
[13:36] <mausschubser> back
[13:37] <Smurphy> ah nice. Thx for the info. I won't be able to check it out until after christmas, but I'll give it a try.
[13:37] <Smurphy> mausschubser: You should use a different window manager theme !
[13:37] <mausschubser> BluesKaj: kwin-x11 was missing, I installed
[13:37] <Smurphy> If that does not work, delete all the caches.
[13:37] <mausschubser> Smurphy: it was the default one, thanks
[13:37] <Smurphy> those related to the plasmashell -> cd ~/.cache && rm -rf plasmashell
[13:38] <BluesKaj> interesting , hwe could kwin-X11 be missing
[13:38] <BluesKaj> how
[13:38] <Smurphy> Do that from the console (after switching down -> Ctrl-Alt-F1, login, and remove it.
[13:38] <mausschubser> Smurphy: i already solved it! Thank you
[13:38] <Smurphy> ah - ok.
[13:38] <mausschubser> :-)
[13:38] <mausschubser> i don have a clue
[13:38] <mausschubser> `t
[13:39] <mausschubser> thanks for your help and merry christmas to everybody
[13:39] <mausschubser> bye
[13:39] <Smurphy> cya
[13:40] <Smurphy> found out why I couldn't start mysql on my Kubuntu.
[13:40] <Smurphy> because I run it off a SSD - I tend to mount /var/log, /var/run and some other directories from tmpfs -> Ramfs.
[13:41] <Smurphy> When I boot up - I create the directory structure and files required by some programs manually out of rc.local.
[13:41] <Smurphy> When mysql does not find /var/run/mysqld and /var/log/mysql owned by user mysql - it won't start.
[13:52] <Maxiride> i've read the announcement of plasma 5.5.1 on the kde website but I didn't understood if it's still a beta or if I will be able to install it shortyl on kubuntu 15.10
[13:55] <BluesKaj> Maxiride, it should be in he backports in a few days
[13:56] <BluesKaj> the
[13:57] <Maxiride> BluesKaj:  ins't the backports repo for testing\unstable software?
[13:58] <BluesKaj> !backports
[13:58] <Maxiride> my fault, must have misunderstood the "back" part of "backports" xD
[13:58] <Maxiride> thanks
[14:02] <soee> i dourb in will be in backports in a few days
[14:02] <soee> *doubt
[14:03] <BluesKaj> gotta keep their hopes up , when all th eother distros already have 5.5 in their repos, soee
[14:04] <BluesKaj> soee, so what's your prediction for 5.5?
[14:05] <soee> 5.5.1 is on TODO list for Xenial - probably not started yet
[14:05] <soee> it has to get into Xenial than backports will start
[14:05] <BluesKaj> he was asking about 15.10
[14:49] <BluesKaj> !es
[15:36] <veqz_> why is the only two options for downloading kubuntu at kubuntu.org 14.04 or 15.10? 15.10 doesn't like my optimus laptop, so I would like to go back to 15.04.
[15:36] <s_20> veqz_: because that's how ubuntu releases work
[15:36] <s_20> either you take the latest or a LTS release
[15:37] <veqz_> 15.04 wasn't an LTS?
[15:38] <s_20> they happen every 2 years
[15:38] <Veqz> ah ok
[15:38] <genii> Veqz: Nope
[15:38] <Veqz> so is there any support for 15.04 still? I found the iso on my disk, but would it just be useless to install it now?
[15:38] <genii> 8.04, 10.04, 12.04, 14.04, next is 16.04 April next year
[15:39] <genii> !vivid
[15:39] <Veqz> ah ok
[15:39] <Veqz> thanks
[15:39] <genii> Veqz: As you can see, it will be EOL in Jan
[15:39] <Veqz> useless then
[15:41] <Veqz> I'll try to live with this then, or see if I find another distro until 16.04. :)
[15:57] <CrystalMare> I'm trying to load a script from a shortcut
[15:57] <CrystalMare> I've set the shortcut to the .sh file and made sure its executeable
[15:58] <CrystalMare> But if I press the screenshot, nothing happens
[15:58] <CrystalMare> If I click the script in dolphin, it runs just fine
[15:58] <CrystalMare> err*
[15:58] <CrystalMare> shortcut, not screenshot
[16:02] <genii> CrystalMare: Do you have a shebang on the first line of the script?
[16:02] <CrystalMare> Yes
[16:03] <BluesKaj> think if it's an executable file then you need to creat a link not a shortcut
[16:03] <CrystalMare> It's a .sh file
[16:03] <CrystalMare> #!/bin/bash
[16:03] <Smurphy> and is it executable ? chmod 755 <filename>
[16:03] <Smurphy> Then, you need to make sure that files from your directory are allowed to be executed
[16:04] <CrystalMare> It's just one file
[16:04] <Smurphy> And - last but not least - if you expect something to happen, tell it to be executed in a console/terminal;
[16:05] <CrystalMare> Smurphy, https://i.imgur.com/cuhmz0A.png
[16:05] <CrystalMare> There's a . at the beginning of the path
[16:06] <CrystalMare> There's no option to start it in a terminal
[16:08] <Smurphy> Oh - but there is: "konsole -e ~/scripts/sync_home.sh"
[16:09] <Smurphy> That's what I use. Starts konsole which in turn starts the script and displays me what it does.
[16:09] <CrystalMare> But I do not need the terminal at all
[16:09] <CrystalMare> So can I start konsole in 'invisible' mode or something ?
[16:09] <Smurphy> What does that script do ?
[16:10] <CrystalMare> It allows me to select a region of my screen, and then it makes a snap and uploads it to imgur
[16:11] <Smurphy> eventually you have to set the DISPLAY Variable inside the script. Don't know if it is provider with it.
[16:11] <Smurphy> Start it with the konsole, and see what it returns.
[16:11] <Smurphy> As means of debugging.
[16:12] <Smurphy> Unfortunately, I'll have to leave soon :( I have a 500Km drive ahead.
[16:12] <CrystalMare> https://gist.github.com/CrystalMare/c581d1400bfe7bfabfc3
[16:13] <Smurphy> So - looks like it is working.
[16:14] <CrystalMare> How do I go about configuring konsole -e ~/script
[16:14] <CrystalMare> Because if I put that in the Custom Shortcuts and press Apply
[16:14] <CrystalMare> it removes it again
[16:15] <Smurphy> Can't tell. Sorry. I usually do all on the console
[16:15] <CrystalMare> So I can't just run a script from a shortcut ?
[16:31] <CrystalMare> Smurphy, I found the problem
[16:31] <CrystalMare> Doing CTRL + SHIFT + 4 is saved as CTRL + $
[16:31] <CrystalMare> But when you execute it, it doesnt see the $
[16:38] <Smurphy> yep. Correct.
[20:03] <pkay_> j
[20:04] <BluesKaj> k
[20:05] <pkay_> can somebody help me in registering nickname !!
[20:06] <Chaser> !register | pkay_
[20:12] <pkay_> thanks chaser and ubottu
[21:32] <JaX> Hello
[21:33] <JaX> I have one question, can i install a *i686.deb on Kubuntu 64bits?
[21:50] <JaX> I have one question, can i install a *i386.deb on Kubuntu 64bits?
[21:53] <genii> Usually.
[21:54] <genii> JaX: All the *buntu have shipped with multiarch built in for some time now, they run 64 or 32 bit things.
[21:55] <JaX> Thank you, so multi arch works fine ? Because in my Debian don't work
[21:55] <genii> JaX: Although if this is some mystery deb, it might be putting things in /usr/lib32 instead of the new standardized place in /lib/i386-linux-gnu
[21:56] <genii> JaX: What are you trying to install, and on what version of Kubuntu?
[21:57] <JaX> So un Ubuntu, deb multiarch works fine, not like debian ?
[21:57] <JaX> Skype & TW
[21:57] <genii> JaX: You can install Skype from Canonical repositories if you enable partner repositories
[21:58] <JaX> Thanks, but have publicity in Skype, no ?
[21:58] <genii> ( no need then to manually dpkg -i deb)
[21:58] <JaX> And trackers of Canonical
[21:58] <genii> Not that I'm aware of.
[21:59] <BlueProtoman> What exactly does KDE's "Activities" feature do?
[22:00] <JaX> Don't understand ^^'
[22:00] <JaX> You know, the Ubuntu tracker, he's only on Unity ? Or on all versions
[22:02] <soee> BlueProtoman: Activities are something liek Virtial Desktop were, but here you can bind some apps to activities, show only fiels used on each activity in menu, pasue/disable activity and bring it back when you want etc. :)
[22:02] <JaX> Excuse my English i'm french ^^ it's the reason i don't understand all
[22:03] <soee> i think in new Frameworks there is also option to make activity pricvate
[22:32] <JaX> Kubuntu have a tracker like Ubuntu ?
[22:43] <clivejo> Tracker?
[22:56] <JaX> clivejo: Ubuntu contain a tracker with searchs etc
[22:57] <clivejo> oh the Unity online search?
[22:57] <clivejo> Kubunbu used KDE desktop not Unity
[22:57] <clivejo> uses
[23:36] <JaX> Yeah you know,
[23:36] <JaX> I have see : Ubuntu contain a rat/informer
[23:37] <JaX> For canonical i think
[23:53] <denza242> JaX: what
[23:54] <JaX> denza242: i have see Ubuntu contain a "tracker"
[23:55] <denza242> JaX: oh you mean the whole unity scopes debacle? That's fixed now
[23:56] <JaX> Tracker is not on Ubuntu now ?
[23:56] <denza242> JaX: it is not on ubuntu now
[23:56] <JaX> Thank you
[23:57] <JaX> So Ubuntu is clean ?
[23:57] <JaX> Like debian ?
[23:59] <valorie> what do you mean by "clean"?


[10:44] <bboschman> Hi
[10:44] <bboschman> I get the following error while kernelcompile:
[10:45] <bboschman> http://paste.debian.net/12712/
[10:46] <bboschman> the only I changed was debian/changelog (new version) and CONFIG_VERSION_SIGNATURE
[12:04] <alex_joni> bboschman: what's the command you used?
[12:30] <bboschman> alex_joni, CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=2 AUTOBUILD=1 NOEXTRAS=1 fakeroot debian/rules binary-server
[14:38] <soren> I see you moved the virtio drivers into a seperate udeb, and marked it priority: extra.. Is the latter deliberate?
[14:45] <johanbr> Is timg around? He's marked bug #183033 as "fix committed" for intrepid, which I don't think it is.
[15:47] <BenC> soren: it is...we don't want all those modules being forced in lowmem netboots
[15:48] <soren> I can think of modules that are much more ripe for a move to extra than virtio. virtio will actually be used. :)
[15:49] <BenC> soren: but if it's forced to be loaded on lowmem systems, it makes the lowmem install useless :)
[15:49] <soren> AFAICS, it's only virtio and crypto that are extra, while *everything* else is there by default.
[15:49] <soren> Or am I reading too much into the priority of the udebs?
[15:49] <BenC> I can change the extra setting if you want, I just need it in a separate udeb
[15:50] <BenC> I think you are reading too much into it
[15:50] <soren> Ok.
[15:50] <soren> What I'm seeing is that the virtio_pci and virtio_ring modules were missing in the installer.
[15:50] <soren> d-i failed to find my nic.
[15:51] <soren> Truth be told, I didn't spend *that* much time on it, but it just seemed to me that the only difference between now and back when it worked was that virtio_ring and virtio_pci were moved to a udev with priority: extra.
[15:52] <soren> ...and it just so happens that the only two udebs marked as extra are crypto and virtio.
[18:22] <orangepeelbeef> guys how do i build the git linux-modules in hardy it keeps saying it needs the source for 2.6.24-21 but the latest package in the repo is 2.6.24-19
[19:08] <orangepeelbeef> how do i retrieve a specific version from the git kernel repository
[21:17] <baron1984> what kernel release is the 2.6.26-4 kernel in Intrepid using?
[21:20] <amitk> baron1984: 2.6.26
[21:20] <baron1984> final?
[21:22] <baron1984> will the backports for ACPI in the Linus git tree be backported into Intrepid?
[21:22] <amitk> baron1984: 2.6.26 final + cherry picked patches from 2.6.27-rcX is the plan
[21:22] <erle-> suspend to ram broken since last kernel update in hardy 64 bit
[21:22] <erle-> anybody who can confirm that?
[21:23] <baron1984> suspend to RAM just doesn't work in ANY Linux kernel for me
[21:23] <amitk> baron1984: what are the backports for ACPI?
[21:23] <baron1984> it does in 2.6.26-4 on Intrepid
[21:23] <baron1984> but when I reboot
[21:23] <baron1984> it freezes
[21:23] <erle-> kernel panic comes up
[21:23] <baron1984> just before it restarts
[21:23] <erle-> suspend works with kernel 2.6.24-19
[21:23] <baron1984> I've filed a bug on it
[21:23] <baron1984> [patch] acpi: fix crash in core ACPI code, triggered by CONFIG_ACPI_PCI_SLOT=y
[21:24] <baron1984> may fix this?
[21:24] <baron1984> bug 251338
[21:24] <baron1984> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/251338
[21:25] <baron1984> the initial report was for Hardy
[21:25] <baron1984> but I redid the dumps with 2.6.26-4 on Intrepid
[21:26] <amitk> baron1984: I am not sure what your situation is - Is the intrepid kernel a regression from Hardy?
[21:27] <baron1984> amitk: No, in fact it's a large improvement, ACPI has gone from hardly working at all to working "more"
[21:27] <baron1984> it crashes on reboot after having suspended
[21:28] <baron1984> I've asked Foxconn what their problem is
[21:28] <baron1984> they told me to go buy Vista
[21:28] <baron1984> well, after several layers of "support"
[21:29] <mkrufky> sounds like fighting words to me
[21:29] <mkrufky> or like a mystical curse
[21:29] <mkrufky> who "buys vista" ?
[21:29] <baron1984> telling me to yank out my RAM modules and see if the problem continues?
[21:29] <mkrufky> never install vista on an old machine!
[21:29] <amitk> baron1984: so what are you looking to be backported? and from where?
[21:29] <baron1984> oh, I have Vista, it's an OEM copy
[21:29] <baron1984> and this motherboard is a replacement
[21:30] <mkrufky> it makes sense to run vista on a NEW machine that COMES with it installed
[21:30] <mkrufky> (if you absolutely must)
[21:30] <baron1984> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/246222
[21:30] <baron1984> I think this may fix the problem?
[21:33] <amitk> baron1984: that bug only enables custom DSDTs. Do you have one for your board?
[21:33] <baron1984> I'm sure I could come up with one
[21:33] <baron1984> there was a Gentoo guide on how to do it
[21:35] <baron1984> http://www.lesswatts.org/projects/acpi/overridingDSDT.php
[21:35] <baron1984> that may work
[21:36] <baron1984> but only when the patch that allows it lands
[21:36] <baron1984> unless I want to futz about with a custom kernel on an Alpha distribution
[21:36] <baron1984> (I really don't)
[21:40] <baron1984> amitk: If I understand this correctly
[21:41] <baron1984> I'd build the DSDT, and just place it into /boot?
[21:42] <amitk> baron1984: you could give it a try when the next kernel is available. The git commits have already landed. I just checked
[21:43] <amitk> baron1984: correct
[21:44] <baron1984> amitk: How exactly would I fix the DSDT I have?
[21:44] <baron1984> I do not know assembler
[21:46] <amitk> baron1984: there is a lot of documentation around to fix DSDT, but you should start by looking if someone has already posted something for your board at http://acpi.sourceforge.net/dsdt/view.php
[21:47] <amitk> http://acpi.sourceforge.net/dsdt/index.php
[21:54] <baron1984> amitk: should I upload my disassembled dsdl in to Launchpad?
[21:54] <baron1984> or would this not be kosher?
[21:55] <baron1984> amitk
[21:55] <baron1984> looks like it probes to find out what Windows it's using
[21:55] <baron1984> and if it doesn't find one, it falls back to NT 4
[21:57] <amitk> baron1984: that is usually the beginning of DSDT problems - customization of behaviour for differnt windows versions :)
[21:57] <baron1984> If (MCTH (_OS, "Linux"))
[21:57] <baron1984>   Store (0x03, OSVR)
[21:57] <baron1984> peculiar
[21:57] <baron1984> it doesn't do that setting for any Windows version
[21:58] <baron1984> it gets better
[21:58] <amitk> baron1984: it is unlikely that anybody will be able to help with a particular DSDT.  But the acpi list is a good place to ask for help.
[21:58] <baron1984> there is no package 0x03
[21:58] <baron1984> only 0x04
[21:59] <baron1984> you figure recompiling it telling it to detect Linux and use Windows Vista's DSDT package would help?
[21:59] <baron1984> B-)
[21:59] <amitk> baron1984: as a rule of thumb, from the ACPI maintainer - they try to be bug-compliant with Windows for the ACPI implementation. And they keep pleading to BIOS vendors not to do different things for different OSes.
[22:03] <baron1984> amitk: This is sabotage
[22:03] <baron1984> plain and simple
[22:03] <baron1984> there's no other explanation for telling Linux to use different DSDL table
[22:05] <baron1984> amitk: I recompiled it and got 7 warnings
[22:05] <baron1984>  Acquire (MUTE, 0x03E8)
[22:06] <baron1984> Warning  1103 -                                 ^ Possible operator timeout is ignored
[22:07] <baron1984> oh hell no
[22:07] <baron1984> I know what they did
[22:07] <baron1984> they gave a bogus table just for Linix
[22:07] <baron1984> *Linux
[22:07] <baron1984> that they know will break it
[22:08] <baron1984> clever bastards
[22:13] <baron1984> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5451708#post5451708
[22:33] <BenC> soren: ping
[22:44] <soren> BenC: Oui?
[22:45] <BenC> soren: in zinc:~bcollins/ is the test virtual package
[22:45] <soren> BenC: i386?
[22:45] <BenC> soren: amd64
[22:45] <soren> Whee!
[22:46] <soren> My favourite :)
[22:46] <BenC> soren: I can do 32-bit later if needed
[22:46] <BenC> soren: NOTE: it's based on -server build, so uname looks like -server and everything is installed as 2.6.26-4-server, and it conflicts with the -server image
[22:46] <BenC> soren: I don't see that as a problem really, but just so ya know
[22:47] <soren> BenC: I'm curious how you'll pull of building an amd64 kernel for i386, though. You said you'd use the same approach, right?
[22:48] <soren> s/of/off/
[22:48] <BenC> soren: I have no intention of doing that
[22:48] <soren> Oh, ok.
[22:49] <soren> You did mention a similar use case for this approach in Boston, didn't you?
[22:51] <BenC> Perhaps, but I can't recall what it is


[02:17] <LeeJunFan> apparently openoffice bug with saving to media:/ is back or was never fixed?
[02:17] <Riddell> Mez: doesn't cover the channel I'm after
[02:18] <Riddell> anyway kamion should have contacted you
[02:18] <Riddell> LeeJunFan: KDE won't pass media:/ URLs to openoffice
[02:19] <Mez> Riddell: my emails crud atm... I cant get in to delete everything due to the move in house... I have about 17000 waiting till I get broadband at my new place
[02:19] <Mez> Riddell, which chan was it ?
[02:20] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: hrm, what's the point of openoffice2-kde? :)
[02:21] <Riddell> Mez: ask kamion on tuesday what was up with it then
[02:22] <Riddell> LeeJunFan: provides KDE integration for openoffice
[02:23] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: kind of makes it more confusing though, for people to save things to USB or floppy.
[02:25] <Riddell> yes, that's a problem
[02:26] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: well, what's odd is that you can load from "storage media" in openoffice, modify, and save, and "save as" and overwrite a file, but if you try to save a new file to "storage media" it complains about media:/
[02:27] <Riddell> yes, because KDE will translate the filename if you open it from konqueror
[02:31] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: I was just using menu functions from openoffice, not konq.
[02:33] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: what I find odd is that I can save as and choose to overwrite a file on media:/floppy, and that works, but if I do the same thing and try a new filename it doesn't. Seems those 2 should be handled the same and work. It's still the same function.
[02:34] <LeeJunFan> ie. wether the file exists or not, it's still writing to media:/floppy.
[02:54] <Riddell> any news to add? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuNewsletter
[02:54] <Riddell> oh yes, SoC
[03:42] <Riddell> morning Hobbsee
[03:42] <Hobbsee> hello
[03:42] <Hobbsee> er...wonder why my clock suddenly says auckland
[03:42] <Hobbsee> ah, that's better
[03:42] <Hobbsee> i'm not supposed to be at work yet, good!
[03:43] <Hobbsee> Riddell: should i ask a stupid question?
[03:44] <Hobbsee> why on earth are you still up when i'ts almost 3am there???
[03:46] <Riddell> hay, it's the weekend, I can stay up as long as I want :)
[03:46] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hehe.  good point :P
[03:46] <Hobbsee> wish that logic worked here!
[03:47] <Riddell> did you get your assignment done the other day?
[03:47] <Hobbsee> which one?  computing?
[03:47] <Hobbsee> no, it's still being a pain, and needs fixing
[03:47] <Hobbsee> half of it's right, the other half just confuses me badly...
[03:48] <Hobbsee> i did the physics one though, and looked enough at the maths to know that i didnt want to even start that one!
[03:49] <Riddell> what's the computing one on?
[03:50] <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://online.mq.edu.au/pub/COMP115/assignments/ass3.html
[03:50] <Hobbsee> i'm sure it's not that hard, but the solution hasnt fallen into my head yet, so that's kinda annoying :P
[03:53] <Riddell> mm, C++ on windows, lovely
[03:54] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:54] <Riddell> so you need 9 arrays each with 9 bool values, assign the characters you read in to the correct array and match each array to a character
[03:54] <Hobbsee> well....yeah, on windows while i'm at uni...it works here...
[03:57] <Hobbsee> i guess that would make sense
[03:58] <Hobbsee> but hey - with doing a bit of c++, the source files make more sense :P
[03:58] <Riddell> hello PtitGNU
[03:58] <PtitGNU> hello :)
[03:58] <Riddell> PtitGNU: come to be an elite Kubuntu developer?
[03:59] <PtitGNU> ^^ I'm not ready for this I think :) But I like this idea.
[03:59] <Hobbsee> hi PtitGNU
[03:59] <Hobbsee> PtitGNU: just make it sound like you know what you're doing :P
[04:06] <Hobbsee> mmm...crispy
[04:09] <Hobbsee> okay, i'm off to work :( - bye Riddell, PtitGNU
[04:09] <PtitGNU> bye Hobbsee :)
[04:09] <Hobbsee> speak now if anyone wants to replace me!  :P
[04:14] <PtitGNU> I'm currently testing a fresh installation from "desktop" CD... I think that I found a little problem : if you choose manual partitioning and click on Back button, qtparted don't quit (100% cpu usage) and the installer freezes... (maybe the same bug that https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/qtparted/+bug/44346 )
[04:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44346 in qtparted "qtparted is left running after cancelling Ubiquity in Kubuntu" [Major,Unconfirmed]
[07:39] <johnny3d> hello has this bug for no sound been resolved?  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/43738
[07:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43738 in linux-source-2.6.15 "No sound" [Normal,Confirmed]
[07:46] <Mez> says it's confirmed.... so not fixed yet
[08:06] <johnny3d> thankyou
[09:49] <seaLne> lp broken?
[09:49] <Hobbsee> hi Mez
[09:52] <seaLne> lo Hobbsee
[09:56] <freeflying> Riddell: around
[09:57] <Hobbsee> hi seaLne and freeflying
[09:57] <Hobbsee> freeflying: heh, he probably finally went to bed
[09:57] <freeflying> Hobbsee: hi
[09:57] <seaLne> can either of you access launchpad?
[09:59] <freeflying> seaLne: wired, proxy error
[09:59] <Hobbsee> Proxy Error
[09:59] <Hobbsee> The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server.
[09:59] <Hobbsee> The proxy server could not handle the request GET /.
[09:59] <Hobbsee> Reason: Error reading from remote server
[09:59] <Hobbsee> nope
[09:59] <seaLne> k
[09:59] <seaLne> i'm sure they will fix the zope servers soon
[10:05] <MrFaber> hi all
[10:08] <Hobbsee> hi MrFaber
[10:08] <MrFaber> hi Hobbsee
[10:08] <MrFaber> Is it planned that adept updater shows no information box or notification about updates?
[10:08] <Hobbsee> ask mornfall
[10:09] <MrFaber> I think that especially new users can't get it.
[10:09] <MrFaber> KDE has many, many systray symbols after some time :)
[10:12] <seaLne> MrFaber: you are wanting that users don't get told if there are updates?
[10:13] <MrFaber> seaLne: no, the different
[10:13] <MrFaber> seaLne: Maybe it happens only on my system but I see no message or notification if the systray adept updater symbol is shown
[10:14] <seaLne> ah you mean some sort of popup?
[10:14] <MrFaber> seaLne: something like this http://www.ubuntu.com/include/testing/flight4/update-notification.png
[10:14] <MrFaber> so new users got the point
[10:15] <Mez> hey hobbsee
[10:15] <seaLne> yeah, personally i think the new icon is too subtle the old one was much more noticable, i think it won't happen for dapper but you could see if he would add it for edgy
[10:15] <MrFaber> seaLne: :(
[10:16] <marseillai> using system settings to configure my screen resolution make me loose my screen sleep ....
[10:16] <MrFaber> seaLne: I think that the Icon isn't the problem since KDE has so many that new users can't recognize it
[10:16] <seaLne> marseillai: i think that someone was talking about that yesterday
[10:16] <MrFaber> marseillai: yep, I :)
[10:17] <MrFaber> Very weird that everyone comes now since the bug happens since monthes
[10:17] <marseillai> MrFaber: sorry i've never use system setting before ....
[10:17] <MrFaber> marseillai: np :)
[10:17] <kmon> MrFaber: mornfall asks to use kde svn for bugs/features request of adept
[10:17] <MrFaber> marseillai: I only have reported the bug nothing more
[10:17] <kmon> so file a whishlist
[10:18] <kmon> I also think notifications would be nice
[10:18] <MrFaber> kmon: ok, I am going to try it
[10:18] <kmon> especially for kernel updates
[10:18] <kmon> when a reboot is needed
[10:18] <MrFaber> kmon: without registering?
[10:18] <MrFaber> kmon: yes :)
[10:18] <kmon> MrFaber: I think you need to register in kde bug tracker
[10:19] <MrFaber> marseillai: do you see the correct resolution under DIsplay?
[10:19] <MrFaber> kmon: ok
[10:19] <marseillai> MrFaber: yep
[10:20] <MrFaber> marseillai: hm, I see the wrong one and it resets screen resolution after restart if I change monitor power off time but today a new kde-guidance was relase so maybe it is fixed
[10:21] <seaLne> interesting in my xorg.conf file i only have one resolution specified so you can't move the slider, on the 1st head the slider is at lower position and on the 2nd head its at higher
[10:22] <MrFaber> seaLne: I have only one defined and can't move it at all and it shows me 1024x768 instead of 1366x768. Don't know why.
[10:22] <MrFaber> Ok, bbl, hope it works
[10:26] <MrFaber> :(     ;)
[10:28] <seaLne> is there anything else important that would effect everyone that should be added to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperKnownProblems ?
[10:29] <MrFaber> seaLne: yes, the kernel scalling bug
[10:29] <MrFaber> very important imho
[10:29] <MrFaber> but not Kubuntu specific
[10:29] <MrFaber> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/36014
[10:29] <seaLne> do you know the bug #? kinda hard to check on lp
[10:29] <MrFaber> vanilla works fine for me
[10:30] <seaLne> MrFaber: can you access lp just now?
[10:30] <MrFaber> kernel seems to be a little bit overpatched :)
[10:30] <MrFaber> seaLne: no, like Ubugtu
[10:30] <MrFaber> our great bot :)
[10:30] <seaLne> MrFaber: kinda like the crash if you have bluetooth and want to sync a palm bug
[10:31] <MrFaber> I have no palm.
[10:31] <MrFaber> But Bluetooth works very fine for me, respect.
[10:32] <Hobbsee> seaLne: CUPS problems, it seems - varying heisenburg bugs about them
[10:32] <seaLne> cups broken again? *cries*
[10:33] <Hobbsee> seaLne: there's a guy in #kubuntu talking about it
[10:33] <Hobbsee> cups is always broken, isnt it?
[10:33] <MrFaber> Cups works fine here
[10:33] <MrFaber> Even over network, I am really impressed :)
[10:33] <seaLne> i only print at work, and then maybe 2 or 3 times a week so it takes me a while to notice
[10:33] <Hobbsee> people are whining about the kopete configure dialog crashing - but i cant reproduce that here either.
[10:34] <MrFaber> Hobbsee: ask them to move their configuration directory
[10:34] <MrFaber> Hobbsee: maybe an old configuration bug
[10:34] <seaLne> Hobbsee: the devices thing? yeah i couldn't either for a while
[10:34] <Hobbsee> MrFaber: yeah, it seems to come up every once in a while
[10:34] <seaLne> couldn't reproduce that is
[10:34] <Hobbsee> seaLne: no, that's different
[10:34] <MrFaber> oh, ok
[10:34] <seaLne> ah
[10:35] <Hobbsee> MrFaber: it was up for a while, seemed to get fixed, no one had problems, and bang, now it's up again
[10:35] <seaLne> MrFaber: is https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/36014 cpu scaling not working?
[10:36] <MrFaber> seaLne: yes
[10:36] <MrFaber> seaLne: at first only for 686 kernel and now for everyone
[10:37] <MrFaber> since then I only useing vanilla kernel
[10:37] <Hobbsee> seaLne: they got a patch for that kopete devices thing :)
[10:38] <seaLne> wasn't it fixed a while ago?
[10:38] <MrFaber> Another question, why tor users are banned on #kubuntu and so on?
[10:38] <seaLne> MrFaber: ask Riddell its maybe a channel option that needs set
[10:39] <MrFaber> seaLne: it is a channel option but I don't see the sence since people have to been registered at least on #ubuntu
[10:41] <Hobbsee> MrFaber: that's over all of freenode, pretty much - ubuntu too
[10:41] <Hobbsee> MrFaber: afaik, they dont need to be registered on #ubuntu
[10:42] <MrFaber> Hobbsee: no, freenode has the option
[10:42] <MrFaber> Hobbsee: I can connect to #kubuntu-de with tor
[10:42] <MrFaber> Hobbsee: channel ops can choose
[10:42] <Hobbsee> MrFaber: they dont need to be registered on #ubuntu
[10:42] <Hobbsee> MrFaber: not exactly - chanserv auto-bans them again
[10:42] <MrFaber> Hobbsee: don't know now but in past you was moved to an other channel if you connect to #ubuntu without identifying your nick
[10:43] <Hobbsee> MrFaber: go look now
[10:43] <Hobbsee> MrFaber: i'm also under as blah__________________ <-- unregged, and it's there
[10:43] <test> ok, works now
[10:44] <Hobbsee> test: it's not +M anymore
[10:44] <MrFaber> Hobbsee: works
[10:44] <Hobbsee> MrFaber: i know :)
[10:44] <MrFaber> Hobbsee: but not with tor
[10:44] <MrFaber> :)
[10:44] <Hobbsee> yeah, nto with tor
[10:44] <Mez> morning Hobbsee
[10:44] <MrFaber> Hy, I am useing kubuntu how should I know that it has changed ;)
[10:45] <Hobbsee> MrFaber: if it gets unbanned by an op, then chanserv just goes and kicks, and rebans, as soon as a tor user enters...
[10:45] <Hobbsee> MrFaber: heh - #ubuntu's got interesting stuff in it, at times
[10:45] <MrFaber> no, the k is missing ;)
[10:45] <Mez> whats with the ban problem
[10:45] <Mez> ?
[10:46] <Hobbsee> Mez: tor users
[10:46] <Mez> ...?
[10:46] <Hobbsee> Mez: [18:38]  <MrFaber> Another question, why tor users are banned on #kubuntu and so on?
[10:47] <Hobbsee> Mez: ?
[10:47] <Mez> I dont see any bans
[10:47] <Mez> whats the tor IP?
[10:47] <MrFaber> Mez: they can't connect
[10:48] <MrFaber> Mez: it is a freenode function, freenode recognizes tor users and the op can set an option that they can't join this channel afaik
[10:48] <Hobbsee> Mez: [18:47]  [367]  #kubuntu *!*@tor/session/*
[10:48] <Hobbsee> MrFaber: we cant seem to set the option - unless someone knows how to modify chanserv somehow.
[10:48] <MrFaber> ?
[10:48] <MrFaber> I have tested it a week ago and it doesn't worked
[10:49] <Hobbsee> er, unset the option, ie allow tor users
[10:49] <seaLne> autorem seems to be the problem from looking at chanserv commands
[10:50] <seaLne> assuming it lists tor
[10:51] <seaLne> unfortunatly you need to be op to see if it is
[10:51] <MrFaber> "Channel owners are free to deny access to their channels by Tor users. But freenode  and PDPC  urge you not to use a "ban" command"
[10:51] <MrFaber> http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#tor
[10:52] <Hobbsee> seaLne: kubuntu one is emtpy, i cant see the #ubuntu one
[10:53] <pascalFR> hum  launchpad seems to be down or broken
[10:53] <seaLne> pascalFR: yep
[10:53] <Hobbsee> pascalFR: yep
[10:53] <MrFaber> lol
[10:53] <jpatrick> yep
[10:53] <pascalFR> :)  ok this is not  a scoop  :)
[10:54] <MrFaber> ok, thanks for checking, bbl
[11:18] <Hobbsee_away> wow!  just realised how many hits there are for "hobbsee" on google - first link is the launchpad page
[11:22] <seaLne> looks like no ETA on launchpad working :-(
[12:14] <Hobbsee_away> hi kwwii
[12:14] <seaLne> launchpad is back
[12:15] <Hobbsee_away> seaLne: yay :)
[12:16] <Hobbsee> hmmm okay...
[12:16] <jpatrick> hmm
[12:16] <seaLne> heh
[12:17] <Hobbsee> bah.  cant win.
[12:18] <seaLne> linuxtag is no longer needed
[12:18] <Hobbsee> true - which means you can stick the meeting link back in
[12:18] <seaLne> which was?
[12:18] <seaLne> cool :)
[12:19] <seaLne> the email thing could probably go aswell?
[12:19] <Hobbsee> er, with the correct URL
[12:19] <seaLne> i'd imagine those it effects will have seen it
[12:19] <Hobbsee> probably some people havent seen it yet
[12:19] <Hobbsee> possibly
[12:24] <kmon> Hobbsee: the url for the RC?
[12:24] <kmon> Hobbsee: the url for the RC?'
[12:25] <kmon> or it's linked in testing current
[12:25] <kmon> sorry for the repetition, my keyboard is possesed
[12:26] <jpatrick> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-May/000081.html
[12:27] <kmon> I was talking about adding it to the topic ;)
[12:27] <kmon> hi jpatrick
[12:27] <jpatrick> hi kmon
[12:28] <jpatrick> Oh great
[12:28] <kmon> hehe
[12:35] <freeflying-g4> hi jpatrick
[12:36] <jpatrick> hi freeflying-g4
[12:42] <Hobbsee> kmon: good point
[12:42] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: take teh launchpad ID stuff otu then :P
[12:54] <seaLne> remooving those extra |s helps :-/
[12:54] <Hobbsee> good point
[12:54] <Hobbsee> someoens' going to come in and think we've gone nuts with the topic...
[01:09] <seaLne> Riddell: neither of the wiki links on https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team exist
[01:34] <Hobbsee> how odd.  my keyboard input suddenly stopped working
[01:40] <LeeJunFan> Hobbsee: heh, the rest of us stopped listening to you weeks ago, I'm surprized your keyboard held out this long :p
[01:40] <Hobbsee> rofl!
[02:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what happened to the UVF exception request for koffice?
[02:26] <pygi> Hobbsee, you have a sec?
[02:26] <Riddell> Hobbsee: too late
[02:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ah okay
[02:26] <Hobbsee> pygi: mmm...should do
[02:26] <pygi> Hobbsee, http://omicron.pwsp.net/imgs/snaps/window09.jpg
[02:26] <pygi> how does this look like to you?
[02:27] <Hobbsee> pygi: stupid question, but what precisely is it meant to do?
[02:27] <Hobbsee> ohhh!
[02:27] <pygi> Hobbsee, hm, the icons?
[02:27] <pygi> lol :)
[02:28] <Hobbsee> looks nice to me :P
[02:28] <pygi> k, thanks :)
[02:28] <Hobbsee> nah, was trying to figure out what all the different icons were - or whehter i was supposed to be looking at the programs or what
[02:29] <pygi> ah,oki :)
[02:45] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what's the story with kde 3.5.3?  do we know?
[02:47] <chavo> Hobbsee, it's only bugfixes for 3.5.x ffrom now on
[02:47] <Riddell> Hobbsee: in which respect?
[02:48] <Riddell> chavo: 3.5.3 has new features and strings too
[02:48] <Hobbsee> Riddell: does it exist, and where's the changelog?  i'm curious now...
[02:48] <Riddell> Hobbsee: kde 4 preview release in october, in theory
[02:48] <Riddell> it's on the server for packagers
[02:48] <chavo> Hobbsee, it's been tagged in svn but no release yet
[02:48] <Hobbsee> so i saw
[02:48] <toma> string freeze was not lifted
[02:48] <Hobbsee> chavo: ah okay
[02:48] <Riddell> changelog will be same place as 3.5.2 changelog but s/2/3
[02:49] <chavo> I have an up to date copy installed here also
[02:49] <Hobbsee> now if i could just find where the 3.5.2 changelog went..
[02:50] <chavo> Riddell, I installed a fesh copy with the LiveCD last night and my exisiting kubuntu install was not added to grub menu is that normal?
[02:51] <Riddell> if it's still on the system the grub setup should still pick it up
[02:52] <chavo> Ok well it picked up my XP install but not this other dapper install
[02:52] <chavo> but other than that it was flawless, and fast
[02:53] <chavo> I'm going to test the install CD in a minute
[02:54] <Hobbsee> mmm...changelog looks nice :)
[02:54] <Hobbsee> pity it'll miss dapper by a long shot :P
[02:54] <Hobbsee> New: KDE startup reordered in order to improve startup time.
[03:04] <Hobbsee> yes!!!  Prevent "Akregator is running" messages on startup (reset PID to -1 when closing akregator)
[03:10] <Hobbsee> hi LeeJunFan
[03:10] <LeeJunFan> hello bugslayer.
[03:12] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:12] <Hobbsee> not much i can do now, except reassign what's assigned wrognly
[03:17] <Riddell> inface I think I'll go and mow my lawn
[03:17] <Riddell> infact
[03:18] <Hobbsee> enjoy
[03:20] <toma> Riddell: I think you should clarify some things on kde-i18n-doc
[03:22] <toma> but mowing your lawn is also important ;P
[03:22] <Hobbsee> bah.
[03:22] <Hobbsee> if he doesnt mow the lawn, then people wont think that they're welcome
[03:22] <Hobbsee> this will be a good thing, as it will give him more time to code.
[03:23] <Hobbsee> simple!
[03:23] <toma> right
[03:23] <toma> we should by him some Evil Dogs
[03:23] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:27] <toma> Speaking of Dogs. I should go out and fetch some cat food, keeps the dogs in the neighbourhood in good shape.
[03:56] <Riddell> toma: did my message get through?
[03:56] <Riddell> Hobbsee: if I don't mow my lawn my nagging neighbour will continue to nag me, and then I'l have less time to code
[03:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: haha fair enough.  if he doesnt like it, cant he do it?
[03:57] <Hobbsee> besides, why does your neighbour get a say in it, if it's your lawn?
[03:58] <Riddell> Hobbsee: my neighbour lives underneith me and her flat backs onto the back garden, but she has no access, I have access through my stairwell, but my flat faces onto the street and I never see the garden
[03:59] <Hobbsee> ah...okay....that makes sense...
[04:02] <bddebian> Howdy folks
[04:04] <bddebian> Eeks
[04:05] <Hobbsee> bddebian: hey!  it wasnt a koala!  what are you complaining about?
[04:05] <Hobbsee> *now* i can see why you'd complain!
[04:11] <bddebian> Sheesh, violent group ;-)
[04:13] <Hobbsee> hee
[04:17] <bddebian> :-)
[04:19] <Hobbsee> gotta love ops :P
[04:22] <Hobbsee> bddebian: i dont know about being a violent group, per se...
[04:23] <bddebian> heh
[04:28] <toma> Riddell: yes, your message came through, but the translators are not cheering.
[04:55] <Fig0^Breezy> hi
[04:55] <Fig0^Breezy> i have found a bug
[04:56] <pygi> Fig0^Breezy, file it on malone
[04:56] <Fig0^Breezy> when i have make a upgrade then my kernel hung at HAL
[04:56] <Hobbsee> that was definite, pygi :P
[04:56] <Fig0^Breezy> on 3 pcs
[04:56] <Hobbsee> *more* people with that?  fun.
[04:56] <pygi> Hobbsee, :)
[04:57] <Fig0^Breezy> and my Logitech MX900 doesnt work
[04:57] <Fig0^Breezy> under breezy work the mx900
[04:57] <Hobbsee> definetly file that one in malone.
[04:58] <seaLne> what is a Logitech MX900?
[04:58] <OculusAquilae> seaLne: mouse
[04:58] <Fig0^Breezy> a mouse with bluetooth
[04:58] <seaLne> ah
[05:04] <pygi> Fig0^Breezy, have you tried dapper? :P
[05:05] <Fig0^Breezy> yes
[05:06] <pygi> and, does it work?
[05:07] <seaLne> he siad earlier that it did
[05:07] <seaLne> didn't
[05:08] <pygi> ah :-/
[05:08] <Fig0^Breezy> in breezy works the mx900
[05:08] <Fig0^Breezy> in dapper not
[05:08] <pygi> Fig0^Breezy, try chrooting into system from live cd, and getting all updates
[05:33] <freeflying> Riddell: around?
[05:34] <Riddell> freeflying: a bit
[05:34] <freeflying> Riddell: scim-chewing FBFTS, for yours changes in scim
[05:35] <freeflying> Riddell: http://www.ubuntu-zh.org/~freeflying/debdiff/scim-chewing.debdiff
[05:36] <Riddell> freeflying: could you get mdz to review that
[05:37] <freeflying> Riddell: but mvo tell it can build on amd64, I don't know kow can he build it
[05:37] <freeflying> s/kow/how
[05:39] <Hobbsee> okay, who was the chocolate-eating-gremlin????
[05:40] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: what?
[05:42] <jpatrick> could of been me
[05:43] <Hobbsee> can i have it back please?
[05:44] <jpatrick> too late for that now...
[05:45] <jpatrick> was my birthday yesterday :P
[05:46] <Hobbsee> so you're...15...16 now?
[05:46] <jpatrick> 15
[05:46] <Hobbsee> good guess :P
[05:46] <jpatrick> yep
[05:56] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:56] <Hobbsee> fishing?
[05:57] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: do your kmix settings look like they normally do?
[05:58] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: yes
[05:58] <Flosoft> hey
[05:58] <jpatrick> artsd just seems to have passed on
[05:58] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: does aplay work?
[05:58] <Flosoft> Riddell: Can you update the Download pages?
[05:59] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: I'll restart KDE
[06:00] <Hobbsee> goodnight all...must leave, before i pass out...
[06:02] <Hobbsee> goodnight all...must leave, before i pass out...
[06:02] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: did it work?
[06:02] <jpatrick> yep
[06:02] <jpatrick> night
[06:02] <Hobbsee> cool
[06:04] <neoncode> hi Hobbsee
[06:29] <Riddell> Flosoft: to what?
[07:27] <pygi> Riddell, I might have a complete icon set ready for you for Edgy
[07:28] <Riddell> 1 icon?
[07:30] <pygi> Complete Icon set, not 1 icon :P
[07:31] <Riddell> taken up artistry?
[07:33] <pygi> no, I have artists who will do it :)
[07:34] <Riddell> in my humble opinion KDE needs less icon sets and more people working on the default KDE artwork
[07:35] <Riddell> I'm sure the oxygen people would welcome any help for example
[07:35] <pygi> ah, kwwii is great on that :)
[07:36] <Riddell> certainly is
[07:39] <pygi> ok, I'll just have to tell him to work on something else then :-/
[07:40] <Riddell> who?
[07:40] <pygi> well, that artist? :)
[07:41] <Riddell> get him helping with oxygen, it'll become public in a couple of weeks
[07:42] <pygi> oki
[08:49] <goldenear> Riddell: I've found the solution about kaffeine opening embedded video instead of kmplayer
[08:50] <goldenear> this problem is that there is a mess in the files types association
[08:51] <Riddell> goldenear: oh?
[08:52] <goldenear> have a look to http://goldenear.online.fr/filetype.pdf
[08:52] <goldenear> it's a table of my files types in konqueror
[08:53] <goldenear> there are two problems 1) check the application/x-mplayer2 line
[08:54] <goldenear> this was the linux wich cause kaffeine to be embedded in webpages instead of kmplayer
[08:56] <goldenear> I didn't understand why kaffeine was used ... indeed in video/x-msvideo and video/x-wmv kmplayer was set as the default player...
[08:57] <goldenear> then I've seen that *.wmv was also associated to application/x-mplayer2 wich was set to use... kaffeine!
[08:58] <goldenear>  /usr/share/applications/kde/kaffeine.desktop <-- the problem for that is here
[09:01] <goldenear> 2) I don't understand why there is for example both vorbis and x-vorbis, ogg and x-ogg, mpegurl and x-mpegurl ... etc
[09:08] <goldenear> Riddell: ?
[09:11] <jpatrick> goldenear: I think he's mowing his lawn
[09:12] <goldenear> ok
[09:13] <goldenear> I hope he will check what I sais... it's really an anying problem in kubuntu and it's easy to fix :)
[09:17] <Riddell> goldenear: how do we fix it?
[09:25] <goldenear> Riddell: first is it normal to have both eg vorbis and x-vorbis ?
[09:25] <goldenear> what's the right type ?
[09:26] <Riddell> I don't know
[09:28] <goldenear> that should be asked to somebody able to answer and then to "clean" the files types to remove unused ones
[09:28] <Riddell> I'd suspect both are used
[09:29] <goldenear> about the kaffeine problem, to fix it you just need to remove the type application/x-mplayer2 in /usr/share/applications/kde/kaffeine.desktop
[09:30] <Riddell> and what does that change?
[09:30] <goldenear> so kaffeine won't be activated by default for video embedded in webpages
[09:31] <Riddell> what the heck is application/x-mplayer2 anyway?
[09:31] <Riddell> trouble is that if kaffeine can do that mimetype we shouldn't just remove it, we should lower the priority
[09:31] <goldenear> also the application/x-mplayer2 type should be completly deleted IMHO
[09:32] <goldenear> look at my pdf file
[09:32] <chavo> goldenear, did you install kmplayer?
[09:33] <goldenear> chavo: kmplayer is not needed, only kmplayerlib (witch is what konq. uses)
[09:36] <goldenear> Riddell: you can see *.avi or *.wmv files are associed to severel types (application/x-mplayer2, video/avi, video/x-msvideo, video/x-ms-wmv)
[09:36] <Riddell> right
[09:38] <Riddell> both /usr/share/services/kmplayer_part.desktop and /usr/share/services/kaffeine_part.desktop have x-mplayer2
[09:38] <Riddell> I wonder how it chooses which to use
[09:38] <Riddell> they both have InitialPreference=9 so maybe kaffeine is first by alphabet or something
[09:39] <goldenear> I guess yes
[09:39] <goldenear> imho application/x-mplayer should not be used at all
[09:39] <goldenear> x-mplayer2 I mean
[09:39] <Riddell> so we need to add x-mplayer2 to /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/profilerc
[09:40] <Riddell> I imagine it's there for a reason
[09:41] <Riddell> goldenear: fancy adding it to that file and testing to see if it works better?
[09:41] <goldenear> I think the only reason was a quick and dirty hack to open *.avi *.wmv files by default with kmplayer
[09:42] <Riddell> the mimetype file for x-mplayer2 comes from kaffeine
[09:42] <Riddell> I'll ask the kmplayer dude but it's too late to go around removing thing
[09:42] <Riddell> editing kubuntu-default-settings though we may well get away with
[09:43] <goldenear> I guess kaffeine also used the hack to get the hand on mplayer
 so we need to add x-mplayer2 to /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/profilerc <-- if x-mplayer2 can't be removed, so yes I think it's the best solution... not very clean IMHO, but at least it will work :)
[09:47] <Riddell> want to give it a shot?
[09:48] <goldenear> sure
[09:48] <goldenear> what do I have to do ?
[09:49] <Riddell> edit that file, try as a user with a fresh .kde directory see if it fixes things
[09:49] <Riddell> send me the diff, or for bonus points the debdiff
[09:49] <goldenear> ok
[10:03] <Riddell> hello frinkillo
[10:17] <pygi> Riddell, he seems to be interested in oxygen :)
[10:27] <Riddell> pygi: cool, look out for the big announcement in a couple of weeks, or get him to contact kwwii first
[10:27] <Riddell><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:28] <pygi> Riddell, yup, I'll tell him to contact kwwii
[10:28] <pygi> jpatrick, joy :)
[10:28] <pygi> don't we all? :P
[10:56] <neoncode> Uhhh.... Huge update...
[11:01] <pygi> neoncode, ?
[11:07] <neoncode> pygi: Adept updater just told me that there's a new update. Includeing important-sounding packages such as "ubuntu-standard" and "ubuntu-minimal"
[11:54] <goldenear> Riddell: the change on the profilerc file works.
[11:54] <Riddell> goldenear: excellent
[11:54] <Riddell> goldenear: fancy making me a debdiff?
[11:54] <goldenear> please find the diff here : http://goldenear.online.fr/ubuntu/
[11:55] <Riddell> that'll do nicely
[11:55] <goldenear> it not a debdiff
[11:55] <Riddell> that's fine
[11:55] <goldenear> only a diff from the old profilerc
[11:56] <Riddell> what name shall I put in the changelog?
[11:56] <goldenear> the new profilerc is also on my web place
[11:56] <Riddell> hello ctw
[11:56] <goldenear> Goldenear
[11:56] <goldenear> or would you prefer my real name ?
[11:56] <Riddell> real name required
[11:58] <goldenear> also I have verified that x-mplayer2 is requiered
[11:58] <Riddell> did you work out what it's for?
[12:00] <goldenear> x-mplayer2 indeed seems to be a quick and dirty fix for the kmplayer-kpart plugin
[12:00] <goldenear> but we can't remove it... it's really requiered
[12:01] <goldenear> I really think that a better solution would have to be find for edgy
[12:01] <Riddell> I don't understand why it should be needed, it should just use the actual mimetypes
[12:02] <goldenear> because as I told you, at the moment files like *.avi or *.wmv have to be "set" for several files types (x-mplayer2 and the "normal "mimetypes")
[12:03] <goldenear> I don't neither understand why it is needed ... but I did try to remove application/x-mplayer2 but then kmplayer-kpart doesn't work
[12:05] <goldenear> I think kmplayer-kpart coded to use the x-mplayer2 mimetype and not to use each mimetype (video/avi, video/x-ms-wmv, etc..) independently
[12:07] <goldenear> I really think mimetypes woud need to be cleaned for edgy... IMHO it's not very clean to have, for example, both ogg AND x-ogg.
[12:10] <goldenear> Riddell: I also discovered what is the problem with konqueror not correctly diplaying man pages with accuentuated characters


[19:05] <oerheks> blup
[19:05] <oerheks> https://www.theregister.com/2022/06/22/wsl2_windows_server/
[20:53] <arraybolt3[m]> I don't get it. If you wanted Linux containers, run Linux and LXD. If you wanted Linux containers on Windows Server, run a Linux VM and put LXD in that.
[20:54] <arraybolt3[m]> Hey, though, for those Windows Server 2019 users, the VM+LXD idea might actually work. I guess WSL2 is going to be a bit lighter than a VM+LXD... maybe.
[21:00] <oerheks> 5 years ago i would say ' horror', windows supporting ext4 natively
[21:00] <Bashing-om> arraybolt3[m]: ^ update: https://4sysops.com/archives/install-subsystem-for-linux-2-wsl2-on-windows-server/ .
[21:00] <oerheks> or exfat in the kernel :-D
[21:01] <arraybolt3[m]> It just seems like WSL2 is not going to ever be stable enough for server use. It would be like trying to run Windows applications on a Linux server and relying on WINE.
[21:02] <arraybolt3[m]> (Albeit, WSL2 is probably quite a bit more polished than WINE since Linux is open-source and Windows isn't, but you get my point - trying to make one kernel act like another is not the most reliable thing in the world.)
[21:03] <arraybolt3[m]> (I mean, I could be wrong - Linux does have a very stable userspace interface, so it might be OK.)
[21:07] <arraybolt3[m]> Also, people could just run a Linux server with LXD and then put a Windows Server VM on top of it. That would be even more secure IMO.
[21:07] <oerheks> wsl is never meant to run gui programms
[21:08] <hggdh> wsl *is* getting support for graphical programs
[21:08] <hggdh> officially
[21:08] <arraybolt3[m]> I saw someone manage to run Anbox in WSL the other day. Didn't work very well, but they did get the graphical window to appear.
[21:09] <arraybolt3[m]> oerheks: Another reason to run Linux on baremetal and put Windows Server in a VM. More functionality, better compatibility, possibly better security.
[21:11] <oerheks> hggdh, i guess with wsl3 ? not official yet,there are hacks though
[21:12] <hggdh> even with wsl2 (at least under W11 -- which I am still required to run, until we get the kinks off native Linux laptops)
[21:15] <hggdh> I am now able to fire off graphical thingies off wsl, with small issues, like mouse reverts to a right-handed one although my W11 has it as left-handed, and screen resolution goes to native W11 resolution)
[21:16] <hggdh> the screen resolution is the worst for me -- my laptop is 4k, and the graphical windows get VERY SMALL fonts
[21:18] <hggdh> but i do not use graphics a lot, my life is on the command line on WSL
[21:21] <hggdh> heh, just ran 'code' under WSL2, works nicely
[21:28] <hggdh> disregard, it ra the Windows 'code' :-(
[23:45] <daftykins> landscape is seriously iffy right now


[00:15] <valorie> hi folks, someone posted this link in #kubuntu the other day: http://www.ryananddebi.com/2015/07/13/linux-getting-find-working-in-dolphin-on-kde-linux-mint-and-kubuntu/
[00:16] <valorie> and I wonder if we can test and fix whatever the problem is, or at least file bugs on the appropriate places?
[00:16] <valorie> I don't know where to start
[00:35] <sgclark> valorie: hmm I cannot reproduce
[00:35] <keithzg> valorie: Well, I can tell you at least that I can repro the problem on my 14.04 install at work.
[00:36] <keithzg> (as in, I hadn't realized it was more than just me, heh)
[00:36] <sgclark> oh I see
[00:36] <sgclark> because I have baloo installed...
[00:36] <valorie> ah, that's trusty, right?
[00:36] <keithzg> valorie: Yup.
[00:36] <keithzg> And yeah, baloo not installed.
[00:37] <sgclark> so dolphin or in the case of trusty kdebase-apps needs a depends on baloo
[00:37] <sgclark> I can fix that
[00:37] <valorie> the one thing that didn't ring quite right to me is that we didn't have baloo installed by default
[00:37]  * sgclark goes to fix
[00:37] <keithzg> Ehhh should we really be doing that? I don't *want* baloo installed on this machien.
[00:37] <sgclark> oh?
[00:37] <sgclark> ok I am confused then
[00:38] <keithzg> And as the post points out, Dolphin doesn't actually need baloo to run searching, it's just one of the possible ways it can.
[00:38] <valorie> but I hadn't heard about that problem before, and it sounds like it is a linked set of problems, not the lack of baloo
[00:38] <valorie> which is why I raised the issue here
[00:38]  * sgclark finishes reading
[00:49] <sgclark> well, it certainly does appear to be an issue brought up in various forums and the like. Surprised it is my first of hearing it. Heh. Definately needs to be brought up upstream I think. If indeed baloo should not be required.
[00:57] <sgclark> well I do not even have the settings manager bit for desktop-search so I cannot reproduce any of it :( but I know it is a valid problem out there. SAdly I do not see any bugs reported at bug.kde.org so I am also not sure how to procedd here.
[00:59] <sgclark> Closest I found https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347916
[01:00] <sgclark> asked the reporters to see if their issue was close to the blogs
[01:00] <sgclark> guess that is a start.
[01:00] <sgclark> anyway I need a break, off till tomorrow
[01:30] <keithzg> Closest I found wasn't very close either, https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=348902
[01:32] <keithzg> It does mention that to manually search in Dolphin you use either  baloosearch:/ (Baloo package) or filenamesearch:/ (kio-extras package),
[01:34] <keithzg> and I can confirm that manually searching with baloosearch:/ results in an identical-appearing error while filenamesearch:/ appears to work (never actually returns any results, mind you, but I really don't know the syntax so that's not necessarily a surprise).
[07:47] <soee> hiho, firefox 42 in updates today
[09:23] <_Ridgewing> Morning everyone \o/ (stretches to the ceiling)
[09:39] <_Ridgewing> sick_rimmit: Are you not well, today ?
[10:37] <ovidiu-florin> yofel, Riddell sitter, or whomever, I don't have admin on the Kubuntu Romania Trello Board.
[10:38] <ovidiu-florin> either please give me rights, or archive the board
[10:38] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: done, I think
[10:38] <ovidiu-florin> thank you
[10:57] <clivejo> yofel: regarding ksuperkey, what are the plans for it?
[11:13] <clivejo> oooo a new version of Kubuntu is available!
[11:40] <mparillo> clivejo: yofel: I thought NetRunner used ksuperkey, but when I asked Riddell about it maybe a couple of months ago, he said upstream recommended against it.
[11:40] <Riddell> both of those things may be true :)
[11:41] <clivejo> Riddell: only maybe?
[11:42] <Riddell> the second one is, I know nothing about netrunner
[11:42] <clivejo> why do upstream recommend against it?
[11:45] <Riddell> because it messes up key bindings
[11:45] <Riddell> he gets lots of bug reports which are just caused by it being installed
[11:55] <clivejo> Riddell: would it not make sense to have it as part of plasma?
[11:55] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:55] <clivejo> hi BluesKaj
[11:56] <BluesKaj> hey clivejo
[11:56] <Riddell> clivejo: no, poor martin hates it
[11:56] <Riddell> ask him yourself if you like
[11:58] <clivejo> mgraesslin: why do you hate the superkey (windows key)?
[12:06] <mgraesslin> clivejo: if you phrase it like that you can be sure that you won't get an answer. Be constructive!
[12:11] <clivejo> mgraesslin: taking into account many keyboards have a superkey and many users try to install ksuperkey in order to make use of this pesky wee button, surely it makes sense to be able to use it in plasma, without the use of 3rd party code which may/or may not cause unforeseen proplems with debugging etc
[12:11] <mgraesslin> clivejo: please stop. I'm now no longer in any mood to discuss that
[12:12] <clivejo> I can see many advantages of having such a feature and Im interested in hearing the disadvantages
[12:12] <mgraesslin> and I'm not interested in explaining them
[12:13] <clivejo> I feel that went well
[12:14] <Riddell> uh oh
[12:14] <Riddell> so aye, an emotive issue
[12:16] <clivejo> I’m genuinely interested on hearing why not :/
[12:18] <clivejo> is it political, religious, have to rely on proprietary drivers or code?
[12:36]  * clivejo goes to find something more constructive to do
[13:03] <sgclark> morning
[13:11] <jmux> Riddell: do you have any news from the guy, whose student wanted to write a KF5 backend for LibreOffice? I remember he wanted to come back after two weeks, but that was 4 weeks ago...
[13:12] <Riddell> jmux: nope, not heard anything
[13:13] <Riddell> it was Dani Gutiérrez Porset and his student Iñigo Carrera
[13:14] <Riddell> jmux: I've e-mailed asking for an update
[13:15] <jmux> Riddell: thanks
[13:58] <sitter> sgclark valorie are you joining hangout?
[13:59] <sgclark> uhh just woke up.
[13:59] <sgclark> not fit for human consumption but sure without video
[14:09] <Riddell> jmux: the student replied! first time I've heard from him
[14:10] <Riddell> jmux: he asks for a meeting on monday, are you about?
[14:25] <jmux> Riddell: Sure depends on the time. CET 14:00+ I'll have time.
[14:28] <jmux> Where do we meet? #libreoffice-design again?
[14:54] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: https://www.kdevelop.org/frameworks/kdevelop-master-now-depends-kde-frameworks-5
[14:54] <ovidiu-florin> sgclark sitter ^
[14:54] <ovidiu-florin> that was a long time ago
[14:55] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/kde-std/kdevelop.git/ < create kubuntu_unstable branch
[14:55] <sgclark> very aware, time.. is a factor here
[14:55] <shadeslayer> then adjust packaging
[14:55] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: then add to https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/ci-tooling.git/tree/data/projects.json  under kde-std
[14:55] <sgclark> thanks you two, great jb
[14:56] <sgclark> job
[14:56] <sitter> <3
[14:56] <shadeslayer> sgclark: hope that explains a bit of the CI :)
[14:56] <sitter> rather long winded rambling I feel :P
[14:56] <sitter> CIs are shit to talk about
[14:56] <shadeslayer> :D
[14:56] <shadeslayer> it was quite long
[14:56] <sgclark> I still have alot to learn lol.
[14:57] <ovidiu-florin> who has to create the branch?
[14:57] <shadeslayer> sitter: https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/frameworks/kconfig.git/commit/?h=kubuntu_unstable
[14:57] <ovidiu-florin> or, who can?
[14:57] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: someone who has commit rights to the repos
[14:57] <shadeslayer> you can ask in #debian-qt-kde for access
[14:57] <sitter> shadeslayer: I think the problem is that -dev deps -bin while it should dep -bin-dev
[14:57] <ovidiu-florin> so that branch is needed in the upstream repo?
[14:57] <sitter> although foreign also helps :P
[14:57] <sitter> ovidiu-florin: on git.debian there needs to be a kubuntu_unstable branch
[14:57] <shadeslayer> ^^ :O
[14:58] <shadeslayer> :P
[14:58] <shadeslayer> though I guess yeah we can drop the -bin dependency
[14:59] <kfunk> you could also ship kdevelop-4.7.2 -- contains a nice bunch of bug fixes
[14:59] <shadeslayer> sitter: I'm having permission issues when cleaning workspaces
[14:59] <shadeslayer> ( build artifacts apparently have screwed up uid/gid ? )
[14:59] <sitter> shadeslayer: that's because some of the mobile scripts don't chown
[14:59]  * sgclark pulls her hair out looking at her to-do list
[14:59] <sitter> or rather. that's because docker still doesn't have proper subuid support QQ
[15:00] <shadeslayer> sitter: ok, lets fix the chown'ing ?
[15:00] <shadeslayer> or well, how do we fix the chown'ing
[15:00] <sitter> just needs the exit handler from builder.rb copied all over the place
[15:00] <shadeslayer> xD
[15:00] <shadeslayer> ok
[15:00] <shadeslayer> sitter: btw you should install the project manager plugin
[15:00] <sitter> to resolve the existing problem you should simply root chown I guess
[15:00] <shadeslayer> for atom
[15:00] <sitter> shadeslayer: I think I had it, and I think I hated it
[15:00] <shadeslayer> why :O
[15:00] <sitter> can't recall
[15:01] <sitter> in fact, I'd be perfectly alright with kate if it supported ruby a bit better :P
[15:02] <shadeslayer> didn't kdevelop have a ruby plugin
[15:02] <kfunk> it does
[15:02] <sgclark> oh we have releases up as well. oh my
[15:02] <sgclark> hmm
[15:02] <sitter> now someone just needs to teach me how to kdevelop :P
[15:02] <kfunk> sitter: so, you know this apt-get thing?
[15:02] <sitter> kfunk: isn't it experimental?
[15:02] <kfunk> maybe you've heard of it
[15:02] <kfunk> :)
[15:02] <sitter> I totally think it was experimentally broken last I looked at it
[15:03] <shadeslayer> sitter: FileUtils.chown_R('jenkins', 'jenkins', @workspace_path, verbose: true) < that needs to be jenkins-slave ?
[15:03] <sitter> ruby support, not kdevelop that is :P kdevelop just has too many buttons for my puny mind XD
[15:03] <shadeslayer> does the container know about jenkins-slave?
[15:03] <sitter> shadeslayer: oh yes. that is probably why I didn't want them to use jenkins-slave :P
[15:04] <kfunk> sitter: it shouldn't be totally broken. at least the KDE4-branch
[15:04] <sitter> shadeslayer: what if a build runs on master? on master the user is called jenkins :P
[15:04] <shadeslayer> ok what then :P
[15:04]  * kfunk didn't try for a long time
[15:04] <sitter> shadeslayer: dunno. needs figuring out
[15:04] <sitter> I am saying it's not straight forward because of name difference
[15:05] <shadeslayer> yeah
[15:05] <shadeslayer> what uid are the slaves
[15:05] <shadeslayer> if the GID is the same on all slaves, then we can just set the GID
[15:06] <shadeslayer> as well as chown to jenkins
[15:06] <shadeslayer> or perhaps if the jenkins and jenkins slave UID's are the same ...
[15:06] <sitter> oh actually
[15:06] <sitter> shadeslayer: isn't the user jenkins inside the container no matter what?
[15:06] <shadeslayer> it is
[15:07] <shadeslayer> but we build as root
[15:07] <sitter> shadeslayer: yaeh but the containers have a user
[15:07] <sitter> that's why chef coerces a GID to begin wiht
[15:08] <sitter> https://github.com/blue-systems/pangea-tooling/blob/master/deploy_in_container.rake#L88 && https://github.com/blue-systems/pangea-kitchen/blob/master/site-cookbooks/jenkins-slave/recipes/default.rb#L22
[15:09] <shadeslayer> yes we do have jenkins inside docker
[15:09] <sitter> so on the slaves it is hardcoded to 100k and inside the docker it is also hardcoded to 100k
[15:09] <sitter> that's why the chown works to begin with
[15:09] <sitter> name doesn't matter anyway, the uid needs to be the same, which it is due to the hardcoding
[15:12] <shadeslayer> ok
[15:12] <shadeslayer> so just chown to jenkins then
[15:12] <shadeslayer> got it
[15:28] <sitter> ovidiu-florin: ps1 and vim and so forth https://powerline.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
[15:40] <pursuivant> muon (master) v5.4.2-166-g7755c65 * Aleix Pol: discover/qml/UpdatesPage.qml
[15:40] <pursuivant> Use correct icon
[15:40] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/7755c65c67f9bdfa17e1e509e340b542a5418d63
[15:40] <pursuivant> muon (master) v5.4.2-167-gca1ed9b * Aleix Pol: libmuon/backends/DummyBackend/DummyBackend.cpp
[15:40] <pursuivant> Report ratings as soon as we get them
[15:40] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/ca1ed9be6acf63d807021182c25e0a64e9780a23
[15:40] <pursuivant> muon (master) v5.4.2-168-g5d86c61 * Aleix Pol: discover/qml/ApplicationDescription.qml
[15:40] <pursuivant> Show the application rating
[15:40] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/5d86c610f63ee5e5c0de3508311d61b388880d58
[15:53] <pursuivant> muon (Plasma/5.4) v5.4.2-13-g456c5a0 * Aleix Pol: libmuon/backends/PackageKitBackend/PKTransaction.cpp
[15:53] <pursuivant> Fix package resolution after un/installing
[15:53] <pursuivant> Thanks a lot to Elia Devito for the patch!
[15:53] <pursuivant> BUG: 354562
[15:53] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/456c5a03b5397f58a4915c40eca3e5ca7225f794
[15:53] <pursuivant> muon (master) v5.4.2-172-g4d83be1 * Aleix Pol: libmuon/backends/PackageKitBackend/PKTransaction.cpp
[15:53] <pursuivant> Merge branch 'Plasma/5.4'
[15:53] <pursuivant> # Conflicts:
[15:53] <pursuivant> #CMakeLists.txt
[15:53] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/4d83be1a3faa1672deb93d3a8731906cf27cdf2b
[16:08] <sgclark> oh good grief everything being tagged today it seems
[16:08]  * sgclark drowns
[16:17]  * mamarley throws sgclark the torpedo buoy.
[19:01] <marco-parillo> I subscribed to the trello board. I assume an admin would need to make me a member before I can comment on any cards. If so, could an admin add me?
[19:22] <sgclark> mparillo: added
[19:23] <sgclark> mparillo: to 16.04 . Seems I am not even a part of kubuntu team haha
[19:27] <soee> hiho
[19:27] <sgclark> hiyas
[19:51] <clivejo> sgclark: I dont really know how to use bzr :(
[19:52] <sgclark> it isn't a whole ton different from git
[19:52] <sgclark> hmm
[19:53] <clivejo> sgclark: I tried to move the calligra packaging to debian - http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/kde-std/calligra.git/
[19:54] <sgclark> clivejo: if you are interested in helping with kdevelop you can apt-get source it and then upload to your ppa and then I can grab and bzr it.
[19:54] <clivejo> but to be honest Im not sure if Im doing it right
[19:58] <clivejo> I can grab from bzr, just dont know how to push my changes back to it
[19:58] <soee> are there 5.4.3 tars already ?
[19:58] <clivejo> on depot yes
[20:01] <clivejo> soee: they are on depot, but not sure if QT is ready to build them
[20:01] <soee> clivejo: why ?
[20:02] <soee> it is just bugfix release so why QT can be not ready ?
[20:02] <clivejo> you mean for wily or xenial?
[20:02] <sgclark> clivejo: bzr push :parent
[20:02] <clivejo> sgclark: are you working on calligra?
[20:03] <sgclark> soee: I am fixing CI builds to prepare and then I will work in it
[20:03] <sgclark> clivejo: no, my plate is ffull, over full
[20:03] <soee> clivejo: wily, is there any point building it for xenial ?
[20:04] <soee> xenial will ship with 5.5 that is going to be releaed (beta) in 2/3 weeks
[20:04] <clivejo> would you be able to point me in the right direction?
[20:04] <soee> so imo. building it for xenial than for wily is wast of time :)
[20:04] <clivejo> I checked out bzr and moved it to debian git
[20:05] <sgclark> clivejo: for calligra? no not in the immediate future. it would be better to knock out stuff we can actually do fast right now and work on the beasts later
[20:05] <sgclark> soee: no it is not, that is the workflow
[20:06] <sgclark> development -> backports.
[20:06] <clivejo> I think I can manage calligra, just nned a bit of help with the bring it over to git part
[20:06] <soee> sgclark: yes but it will be replace in xenial soon with 5.5
[20:07] <sgclark> ok I have got to get back to work, not enough time in the world to get this all done
[20:09] <sgclark> clivejo: kubuntu_unstable branch is there, I don't understand what is wrong.
[20:10] <sgclark> soee: 5.5 what are you  talking about? qt5? that has nothing to do with 5.4.3.
[20:11] <sgclark> also debian merges need to done, hmm
[20:12] <soee> sgclark: Plasma 5.4.3 will be released soon, than you said it first will be build for Xenial than Wily. What i'm thinking is that Plasma 5.5 beta is planed soon also (2/3 weeks ?) so it will replace 5.4.3 in Xenial anyway so what is the point building 5.4.3 for Xenial :)
[20:12] <sgclark> think I will wait and get with yofel to come up with a real plan.
[20:12] <sgclark> soee: ahh I see. yes that makes sense
[20:13] <sgclark> I can run it for wily then.
[20:24] <clivejo> do we still have access to weegie for QA?
[20:33] <ahoneybun> we should have a blog post like this: http://www.whizzy.org/2015/09/big-bug-bonanza-16-04-lts/
[20:41] <sgclark> clivejo: weegie?
[20:42] <clivejo> isnt that the name of the machine - http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/plasma/ ?
[20:43] <sgclark> oh. Yes I suppose that is being taken away as well. So no, not that I am aware of.
[21:03] <mparillo> sgclark: Thank you for adding me
[23:10] <valorie> well, effing hell, I totally forgot the CI session
[23:10] <valorie> my apologies sitter, sgclark
[23:48] <sgclark> heh, I barely rolled out of bed in time, I suspect it was way early for your sleep schedule
[23:59] <santa_> yofel, sgclark, clivejo: now the automation-ng scripts are almost ready, I just need to add a couple of scripts to add/remove the ppa version suffix
[23:59] <santa_> https://gitlab.com/jmsantamaria-papers/kubuntu-automation-design/blob/master/kubuntu_automation_design.pdf
[23:59] <santa_> ↑ updated pdf with the design
[23:59] <sgclark> oooh, think it will be ready for a test run tomorrow santa_ ?


[02:02] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:57] <luna_> good morning
[20:34] <ice9> if there is a crash or a bug in one of the software like nouveau, i915 or gnome-shell, etc. Why should we file a bug on the Launchpad? why not directly on the bug track of that software?
[20:35] <ravage> you can do that
[20:36] <ravage> upstream will eventually arrive on an Ubuntu release
[20:36] <ravage> can take a few years if you are on a LTS release
[20:38] <ravage> it may even be a good idea to get it fixed in upstream first if the bug still exists there
[20:38] <ravage> makes backporting the fix easier usually
[20:53] <arraybolt3> ice9: A lot of times Ubuntu ships older versions of software that upstream doesn't support (or at least doesn't support our patched version of it).
[20:54] <arraybolt3> So you can run into some frustrated developers if you try to report things upstream.
[20:54] <arraybolt3> Whereas reporting things on Launchpad lets us take care of it, and we can test to see if a bug exists in the latest version of something and then forward the bug upstream *if* it's necessary.
[20:54] <arraybolt3> That way you don't have to face an army of disgruntled programmers :D
[21:03] <Eickmeyer> !latest
[21:16] <ravage> someone asked about an alternative to the Ubuntu Podcast here recently. I found https://linuxmatters.sh/ is the clostest you will ever get to a continuation :)