[12:12] <gaminggeek> rsc-: your the dust developer eh?
[12:12] <rsc-> yep.
[12:13] <gaminggeek> cool
[12:13] <gaminggeek> I'm loving your theme :)
[12:13] <gaminggeek> found a bug with it on monodevelop
[12:13] <rsc-> Kido helps out with the technical aspects, but I'm the one who's started it and the self-appointed aesthetics guy.
[12:13] <rsc-> oh?
[12:13] <rsc-> https://bugs.launchpad.net/dusttheme
[12:13] <rsc-> :
[12:13] <gaminggeek> gonna submit a bug report..
[12:13] <rsc-> :)
[12:15] <gaminggeek> do you need any further infomation or will a screenshot do?
[12:16] <rsc-> just whatever it is you need to get your point across. a screenshot will help a lot, plus steps to reproduce (if any)
[12:19] <rsc-> hey just as a drive-by feedback-gathering, what do you think of the new wallpaper?
[12:19] <rsc-> http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/776/screenshoton3.jpg
[12:19] <gaminggeek> https://bugs.launchpad.net/dusttheme/+bug/279581
[12:20] <gaminggeek> oh wow that is nice!
[12:20] <rsc-> ouch.
[12:20] <rsc-> i think this is a problem with monodevelop
[12:20] <gaminggeek> :/
[12:20] <rsc-> a similar bug exists with Evolution's prefs pane
[12:21] <gaminggeek> I dont know if I like the way you have done its horns...
[12:21] <rsc-> i apologize im not familiar on how to fix it, but maybe Kido can figure it out
[12:21] <rsc-> why not?
[12:21] <gaminggeek> hmm
[12:21] <gaminggeek> looks a little to messy maybe
[12:22] <gaminggeek> personally tast I guess
[12:22] <gaminggeek> fedora :O
[12:22]  * rsc- thinks the whole thing is too messy anyway
[12:22] <rsc-> yeah, i'm using the foxtrot icon theme for now.
[12:22] <rsc-> (but it's ubuntu)
[12:22] <gaminggeek> ah ok :D
[12:23] <gaminggeek> I like the colours of the background
[12:23] <gaminggeek> and the texture you have him sitting on
[12:24] <rsc-> oh cool
[12:24] <rsc-> thanks
[12:25] <gaminggeek> I dont know how much control you have over the firefox theme but if you make into fullscreen mode the close min and restore buttons are almost illegible
[12:25] <gaminggeek> and the spinner is a little dark if your being overly nitpicky :P
[12:26] <gaminggeek> btw is the little arrow thing on the bottom right hand side of the window final?
[12:26] <rsc-> hehe
[12:26] <rsc-> i started the firefox theme
[12:26] <rsc-> haven't been able to work on it much though.
[12:26] <mrooney> rsc-: very nice new background :)
[12:27] <rsc-> I can see that minmaxclose issue
[12:27] <gaminggeek> :)
[12:27] <rsc-> still no idea on how to fix it right now, but I'll inspect on it when I get time
[12:27] <gaminggeek> cool
[12:27] <rsc-> mrooney, no reservations against it being the release's default?
[12:28] <rsc-> thanks for the bugreport btw, gaminggeek
[12:28] <gaminggeek> rsc-: no problem :)
[12:30] <mrooney> rrsc-: nope, I quite hope it is!
[14:12] <kwwii> ok, so the themes package is being split...maybe we could include some other neat themes instead
[20:15] <thorwil> hi rsc-!
[20:15] <rsc-> hola :)
[20:18] <kwwii> hi guys
[20:19] <thorwil> kwwii: how are you doing? none of the mob found out your address yet? :)
[20:20] <rsc-> ugh i can't believe the backlash on the forums
[20:21] <thorwil> rsc-: i think it has to do with the spirit of ubuntu. linux for the poop throwing monkeys. humanity for no one ^^
[20:22] <rsc-> hehe
[20:26] <kwwii> I am used to the forums being more a waste of of time than anything serious
[20:27] <rsc-> and a source of unintentional comedy
[20:29] <thorwil> rsc-: i hope i can work through getting the message down this week. and also add a bit about the audience
[20:30] <rsc-> great
[20:30] <thorwil> rsc-: perhaps then i will have a brief go at moods
[20:31] <thorwil> next could be guidelines for wallpaper, windows and widgets
[20:31] <thorwil> to then create mockups, several variations for each widget
[20:32] <rsc-> okay
[20:32] <thorwil> rsc-: sounds like a plan? somthing to add or would you suggest a different route?
[20:32] <rsc-> wpi;dm
[20:32] <rsc-> wouldn't that be a little to rigid and restrictive?
[20:33] <thorwil> in what way?
[20:33] <rsc-> "okay guys let's do widgets. just widgets. give us your button and dropdown concepts now."
[20:34] <thorwil> rsc-: well, in the ned widgets need to be developed in context
[20:35] <thorwil> rsc-: but so far it has worked like this: boom! widget is there, right in place. i have been missing design variations made visible
[20:36] <thorwil> having a go at a single widget without thinking about the others might lead to new ideas
[20:38] <thorwil> rsc-: so it would be: create a large pool and see what swims. to only then build a family of the survivors
[20:39] <rsc-> okay
[20:39] <thorwil> rsc-: how do your own plans look like?
[20:40] <thorwil> kwwii: what do you think about my plans?
[20:45] <rsc-> i haven't really thought of it much
[20:53] <kwwii> thorwil: I think it sounds ok, but you have to stay flexible enough to accept different ideas at different times and to completely rethink everything if something related changes
[20:55] <thorwil> kwwii: sure. with the exception that complete rethinking is not an option too close to release :)
[20:57] <kwwii> thorwil: one thing that I think is important to know is that these kinds of processes can take longer than 6 months and therefor do not fit easily into a release cycle
[20:59] <kwwii> an icon theme takes years to get near completion
[20:59] <thorwil> kwwii: without the goal to have something for the next release, i don't think i could motivate any contributors
[20:59] <thorwil> kwwii: oh sure, Breathe will need more time
[21:02] <kwwii> right, so the plans need to take into account the long term as well as the release cycles
[21:02] <thorwil> guess we should have a breakpoint. work in freewheeling mode, following the long process until a date where we need to care about the upcoming release
[21:03] <kwwii> and even breathe can use a long term plan with snapshots at releases
[21:03] <thorwil> kwwii, rsc- you both have much more experience to enable you to set such a date ;)
[21:03] <kwwii> once you know what you want to change and have a good idea of how long it will take to get done things clear up a big
[21:04] <kwwii> s/big/lot
[21:04] <kwwii> crazy, not sure what I am thinking when typing :p
[21:04] <thorwil> heh
[21:04] <thorwil> i like the sound of "clear up the big", though
[21:06] <kwwii> wow, I got a request from the american department of defense and department of homeland security for a bootsplash screen :p
[21:06] <thorwil> lol
[21:08] <kwwii> kind anifty, really, they have servers booting from openbios with the splash stuff built into it so it appears immediately and does all kinds of neat stuff (and at 24bit)
[21:08] <kwwii> kinda nifty
[21:10] <kwwii> aahh, the bootsplash, it still brings in work even 8-9 years after we wrote it
[21:10] <rsc-> kwwii, how?
[21:10] <rsc-> hwo did they contact you?
[21:11] <kwwii> so how much money would someone pay me to put an easter egg in the firmware for America's servers?
[21:11] <rsc-> is it like something in the movies ("Are you Mr. Wimer? Sir we have a request from General McGrady for a special civilian operation for you, please come with us")
[21:11] <kwwii> rsc-: the code is taken from the bootsplash that I wrote with a friend 9 years ago
[21:12] <rsc-> :D
[21:12] <kwwii> I asked for details and they told me that they basically copied everything as it was
[21:13] <kwwii> the linux kernel wouldn't accept the patch but the friggin US government has included it in the kernel that they boot their servers with :p
[21:13] <rsc-> usplash theme?
[21:14] <rsc-> interesting
[21:14] <kwwii> nope, the usplash takes it's name from the fact that it is totally in user space (u-splash) whereas the bootsplash (which we wrote at suse about 9 years ago) was the first of its kind and a funky kernel patch
[21:15] <kwwii> we wrote our own jpeg decoder, animated png display stuff, and more
[21:16] <thorwil> good night! :)
[21:16] <rsc-> oh okay.
[21:16] <rsc-> interesting
[21:18] <rsc-> anyone got any tips for me? I'm cooking chili tonight :D
[21:18] <kwwii> it's the only reason that most geeks will talk to me more than 5 min :p
[21:18] <kwwii> chili con carner?
[21:18] <kwwii> erm
[21:18] <kwwii> carne?
[21:19] <rsc-> yes
[21:19] <kwwii> cumin is the important spice
[21:19] <rsc-> so how did they contact you?
[21:19] <rsc-> "We need your help with our computers splash screens. Will you be able to do you patriotic duty and help America?"
[21:19] <rsc-> i unfortunately don't have cumin
[21:19] <kwwii> ouch, that sucks
[21:20] <kwwii> that is really bad then
[21:20] <rsc-> i have paprika and oregano and cayenne powder though
[21:20] <kwwii> hrm, maybe a bit of koriander instead
[21:20] <kwwii> but that would make it more like curry than chili
[21:20] <kwwii> real mexican chili is totally different anyway
[21:20] <kwwii> :p
[21:21] <kwwii> oregano is a good replacement for the koriander
[21:21] <kwwii> or coriander, I guess
[21:21] <rsc-> cool hehe
[21:21] <kwwii> no k in non-german languages
[21:22] <kwwii> it is the ground up seed of the same plant used in mexican cooking (only they use the leaf fresh)
[21:22] <kwwii> cilantro
[21:22] <kwwii> I know quite a lot about cooking :-)
[21:22] <rsc-> okay.
[21:22] <rsc-> it's basically tomatoes + water + beef + spices, yeah?
[21:23] <kwwii> right, but you could substitute a beer for the water
[21:23] <kwwii> or a beef broth
[21:23] <kwwii> chili con carne translates to chilis with meat ...you should really add some red pepper or such
[21:24] <rsc-> beer?
[21:24] <rsc-> wow haha :)
[21:24] <rsc-> well, the girlfriend likes it mild.
[21:24] <kwwii> one secret that I add at the very end is a very little bit of cocoa
[21:24] <kwwii> and I mean very little or it tastes too much
[21:24] <kwwii> cocoa is often used in south american cooking
[21:24] <kwwii> like half a teaspoon for a pot of chili for 3-4 people
[21:24] <rsc-> really? why? i'll try that on the next batch.
[21:25] <rsc-> i got some red bell pepper
[21:25] <kwwii> if nothing else, take a small bowl aside and put a tiny bit of cocoa into it, it tastes great, it rounds the taste
[21:25] <kwwii> yes, definitely fresh bell peppers
[21:25] <kwwii> and onions
[21:25] <rsc-> I know it's not spicy, but would it help to add some of that for taste?
[21:25] <rsc-> nice okay
[21:25] <kwwii> be sure the brown the meat before anything else
[21:26] <kwwii> brown the meat, and then add the spices
[21:26] <kwwii> a couple of minutes later add the rest
[21:26] <kwwii> the spices can only release their flavor in oil
[21:26] <rsc-> brown the meat and sauteed in with some garlic and onions, right?
[21:26] <kwwii> right
[21:26] <kwwii> garlic and onions are added after the meat is basically done
[21:26] <rsc-> cool
[21:26] <kwwii> they release water so the beef will not overcook
[21:26] <rsc-> oh okay
[21:27] <rsc-> wouldn't the onions take a bit lnoger to cook?
[21:27] <rsc-> so it's meat first before anything els?
[21:27] <rsc-> e
[21:27] <kwwii> well, because they are cut in larger pieces the onions take a bit longer because they do not all fall right to the bottom of the skillet like garlic
[21:27] <kwwii> yes, meat first
[21:28] <kwwii> and when it is good and brown (somewhat crispy) add the spices
[21:28] <kwwii> and the onions
[21:28] <kwwii> then the garlic
[21:28] <kwwii> then the peppers
[21:28] <kwwii> you might want to peel the peppers or they will loose their skins after cooking
[21:28] <kwwii> although you can remove them later with a spoon or such
[21:29] <kwwii> you want to cook the bell peppers less than anything else
[21:29] <rsc-> okay
[21:29] <kwwii> if you had a more spicy flavor I would also suggest a tablespoon of brown sugar
[21:29] <kwwii> just do not add black pepper until the end
[21:29] <rsc-> spices = oregano cumin cayennepowder paprika, they're all i got for now
[21:30] <rsc-> oh and that too
[21:30] <kwwii> then try to avoid using too much cayenne or it will taste funky
[21:30] <kwwii> add it slowly and taste it a lot :-)
[21:30] <rsc-> after the peppers, add in water + tomato paste + diced tomatoes?
[21:30] <kwwii> how much meat do you ahve?
[21:31] <kwwii> I like to add stewed whole tomatoes (learned that from my mom) but adding diced tomatoes or canned tomatoes as well as tomato paste is correct
[21:32] <rsc-> i have 1/2 kilos of ground beef but ill probably use half of that for now
[21:32] <kwwii> in germany I buy a bottle of piri-piri chilis and use a couple of them to up the heat
[21:33] <kwwii> yeah, 250g for two people should be more than enough
[21:33] <kwwii> I use around 500 or 3-4 (one of them being my hungry son who likes left-overs)
[21:33] <rsc-> ah, nice.
[21:33] <rsc-> all i got here for heat are cayenne powder and a chili sauce that comes in a bottle
[21:34] <kwwii> usually 100-150g of meat is normal per person per meal
[21:34] <rsc-> on another one, what recipes can i use turmeric for?
[21:34] <kwwii> in the case of stews and chili and soups you can use less as there are more ingredients
[21:34] <kwwii> lol, not many
[21:35] <rsc-> another note*
[21:35] <kwwii> it is very close to dried mustard
[21:35] <rsc-> okay 100 to 150, ill keep that in mine
[21:35] <rsc-> mind
[21:36] <kwwii> you can subsitute it for anything that needs dry mustard (which isn't much either)
[21:36] <kwwii> you can make a great curry with it, and a good chutney
[21:36] <rsc-> okay
[21:36] <kwwii> ie it is good in indian food
[21:36] <rsc-> oh okay
[21:36] <rsc-> thats great i plan to try some curry next
[21:37] <kwwii> oh, but be carefull using tumeric, it is yellow and will stain anything yellow
[21:37] <kwwii> and it gets stronger when cooked
[21:37] <kwwii> so you add it, cook it, and then taste it
[21:38] <rsc-> oh and no flour/cornstarch for the chili?
[21:39] <kwwii> no, there should be no need to thicken it
[21:39] <kwwii> you should cook it down until it is thick enough
[21:40] <kwwii> oh, and in america it would have beans in it
[21:40] <kwwii> the beans thicken things up a bit I guess
[21:41] <kwwii> but if this is for the girlfriend and you want to have a nice romantic evening you might not want the beans
[21:41] <kwwii> in order to thicken things up a bit you could, theorecticaly add a bit of flower when you add the last stuff to the meat
[21:41] <kwwii> if you do add flower make sure to cook it a bit in oil/fat/butter
[21:42] <kwwii> and then let it cool off a few degrees and then add liquids
[21:42] <kwwii> then it will have a thickening effect and not just make ugly clumps
[21:42] <kwwii> do not add flower to liquid directly :-)
[21:43] <kwwii> cornstarch would thicken it as well, guess you know how to use that
[21:43] <rsc-> of flower..?
[21:44] <kwwii> ? not sure I get you ?
[21:44] <rsc-> "theorecticaly add a bit of flower"?
[21:44] <rsc-> OH
[21:44] <rsc-> flour
[21:44] <rsc-> sorry :)
[21:45] <kwwii> well, it would not be the correct way to make chili, but you could do it
[21:45] <kwwii> I doubt that there are rules that everyone follows :-)
[21:48] <rsc-> hehe, alright.
[21:51] <kwwii> when are you cooking this?
[21:52] <kwwii> I would seriously suggest getting cumin and chilis
[21:54] <rsc-> its 4 in the morning here
[21:54] <rsc-> ill cook some for me (for brunch later) and some more next week
[21:56] <kwwii> hehe, cool...good luck!
[21:57] <rsc-> hehe thanks :)
[22:07] <gaminggeek> what are you cooking?
[22:14] <kwwii> little babies
[22:14] <kwwii> in a sweet-sour sauce
[22:15] <kwwii> I know, I know...that is horrible! They belong in a nice white wine-butter sauce
[22:16] <kwwii> the thing about cooking babies is that you need really big pots
[22:16] <kwwii> so we are talking about cooking very small babies
[22:16] <kwwii> :p
[22:29] <gaminggeek> kwwii: 'cause they are delicious?
[22:33] <kwwii> gaminggeek: exactly
[22:34] <Cimi> hi
[22:36] <kwwii> Cimi: updates are still coming...no worries
[22:54] <rsc-> kwwii, i put too much canned diced tomatoes in
[22:54] <rsc-> but the bell peppers really gave quite a taste
[22:54] <rsc-> it seems it really needs quite a lot of spices for it to taste
[22:54] <rsc-> thanks :)
[22:56]  * rsc- thinks the chili he did kinda tastes a bit too much like spaghetti sauce
[22:56] <rsc-> :P
[23:15] <Cimi> kwwii, GtkEntry::honors-transparent-bg-hint = 1 in the new gtkrc
[23:16] <Cimi> also take a look at this http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2008/10/04/more-murrine-mockupsglazestyles/
[23:48] <kwwii> Cimi: can you send that to me in an email? I am passing out here and don't want to miss out
[23:57] <Cimi> kwwii, no I'm going to bed. I've told you I'm really busy and I don't have a laptop ;)
[23:57] <Cimi> bye bye


[03:51]  * persia doesn't understand all the fuss about making special PPAs: we have an archive for a reason: we should use it if we have "official" stuff.
[04:17] <ScottL> it's because it's immediate, you can update or backport almost immediately, but mainly i expect because applications can be hosted that can't be put into the official archives
[04:32] <ScottL> crimsun_, TheMuso:  can either one of you give a quick explanation which direction you think audio permissions might be headed in future releases ?
[04:32] <ScottL> the catalyst for this question comes from this mail:  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2010-September/002549.html
[05:17] <TheMuso> ScottL: Getting as much to use consolekit/rtkit as possible.
[05:24]  * persia has concerns about the legality of distributing anything that can't be put into the official archives.
[05:25] <persia> For the immediacy, at least I wouldn't want to support anything that didn't have at least some control on updates: the processes in Ubuntu are designed to avoid support pain, not make it hard to support.
[09:15] <quadrispro> hi all
[09:16] <quadrispro> persia, no response from martin
[09:16] <quadrispro> I've tried to ping him yesterday, maybe he was busy
[09:17] <persia> I think he has sporadic access.  Maybe email?
[09:23] <quadrispro> right
[09:24] <quadrispro> damn, launchpad has gone down
[09:25] <persia> For about 3 hours
[09:27] <quadrispro> ah! didn't know that, ok
[09:27] <quadrispro> I've uploaded a fixed version of jackbeat
[09:28] <quadrispro> it failed to build on {amd64,i386}
[09:28] <persia> Ouch!
[09:30] <quadrispro> persia, have you read my email about simple-scan in u-devel-discuss?
[09:40]  * persia does so now
[09:41] <quadrispro> I know, I've sent it to the wrong ML...
[09:48] <persia> Why the wrong ML?
[09:48] <persia> Oh, yeah.  That belonged on ubuntu-devel@  robert_ancell should not have done that.
[09:48] <quadrispro> maybe u-devel was the right ML
[09:48] <persia> And he just dropped off IRC 10 minutes back, so hard to twit about it right now.
[09:49] <persia> But yeah, continue with your merge: overwrite his work.
[09:50] <persia> He deserves no credit for that.
[09:50] <quadrispro> yes, but I'd like to get a bit of collaboration from that kind of upstream...
[09:51] <persia> he's often about, and spends a lot of time in #ubuntu-devel and #ubuntu-desktop.
[09:51] <persia> catch him for a chat.
[09:52] <quadrispro> I will try (one more time)
[09:53] <persia> I wish you the best of luck.  Let me know how it goes either way.
[09:53] <persia> My timezone matches his better, so maybe I can help if things aren't going smoothly.
[09:53] <quadrispro> of course I will
[18:21] <falktx> abogani: i want to talk to you
[18:22] <falktx> abogani: about how realtime/lowlatency can affect a laptop's battery
[18:56] <falktx> abogani: ping me some other day, ok?


[02:35] <maco> since this is "-x" not "-x-graphics" that means odd keyboard behaviour goes here?
[02:36] <bryce> maco: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Reporting for how to report X bugs
[02:43] <maco> bryce: what package would it be?  i dont think its xkeyboard-config because i'm not having any trouble setting it to the layout i want or anything like that
[02:44] <maco> my keyboard just happens to type completely on its own
[02:51] <bryce> probably the xinput system, so xorg-server
[02:52] <maco> ok
[02:52] <maco> thanks


[00:00] <phunyguy> man, I am telling you. Winrar in wine is the way to go
[00:00] <phunyguy> at least for the crappy ones
[00:00] <phunyguy> and if it doesnt work, it's not unrar.
[00:00] <hallman> Well f.. I'm not installing wine.
[00:00] <phunyguy> suit yourself.
[00:00] <phunyguy> guess you have to wait for reruns.
[00:01] <phunyguy_vbox> wheee
[00:01] <BarkingFish> is it possible they have the wrong extension?
[00:02] <hallman> Tried unzip just now, dunno how to check what file it may "actually" be..
[00:02] <BarkingFish> i've encountered torrent files like that before, where the finished file is not what it said, like AVI's which are mpg, vice versa
[00:02] <BarkingFish> hallman: try renaming the last part of the file to .zip instead of .rar
[00:02] <phunyguy> man I am torn.  I love KDE, but every time I try it out, I have issues with SOMETHING.  This time it is browsing.  I like the freedom and flexibility of not using Unity, but I can also get that with Xubuntu.
[00:03] <hallman> cannot find zipfile directory in one of etc
[00:03] <phunyguy> hallman is it classic rar layout?  (.rar, .r01, .r02)
[00:03] <phunyguy> or whatever
[00:03] <hallman> yes
[00:03] <phunyguy> and you are selecting the .rar
[00:04] <phunyguy> (have to ask)
[00:04] <hallman> Selected .rar, .r00, and as I usually do, just the directory. Nothng works.
[00:04] <BarkingFish> can you test the archives?
[00:04] <hallman> I'll install some sfv checker.. one sec
[00:04] <genii-around> Yes, I believe unrar has a -t
[00:05] <BarkingFish> unrar  -t  <file goes here>
[00:06] <hallman> Are you talking about free or nonfree?
[00:06] <BarkingFish> whichever is linked to your unrar command :)
[00:06] <BarkingFish> mine is the free one
[00:07] <BarkingFish> just type unrar -t  and follow it with the path to the .rar file you want to test
[00:07] <hallman> Size, packed ratio, etc etc.. Lines... 0 0 0 -nan%
[00:08] <BarkingFish> how big does the rar claim to be?
[00:08] <phunyguy> the magic question
[00:09] <hallman> Well wtf, 0 bytes.. Isn't this embarrasing.. Why is ktorrent claiming that all dowloaded fine then. :/
[00:09] <ikonia> tone down the language
[00:09] <hallman> Are not even acronymes ok?
[00:09] <hallman> k then..
[00:09] <BarkingFish> sounds to me like it got corrupted on the way down, maybe the headers got messed up.
[00:10] <hallman> No I got a full disc.. Thought the files were downloaded before that thoug..
[00:10] <BarkingFish> it happens, i've seen it on P2P services, you finish a file, 100% complete, claims it's 80mb or something and turns out to be 3k or something silly
[00:12] <hallman> Well fine.. Sorry for taking it out on ubuntu I guess..   Why teach that they are bad?
[00:18] <genii-around> Offtopic guys :)
[00:18] <Daskreech> lol
[00:19]  * Daskreech hugs genii-around
[00:19] <phunyguy> HE STARTED IT  ;)
[00:19] <BarkingFish> sorry genii-around - guess I just can't get the social worker out of me :P
[00:20] <BarkingFish> I'll lay off, apologies
[00:20] <phunyguy> so with all of this said.  I have made up my mind.
[00:20] <phunyguy> Kubuntu STILL is not ready for me.
[00:20] <phunyguy> Off to Xubuntu I go.... for now.
[00:21] <phunyguy> I will lurk here for any help I can provide.
[00:21] <BarkingFish> btw, ikonia - just to let you know, i think you may have just blocked one entire section of a huge student accomodation building in Sweden :)
[00:22] <BarkingFish> i won't tell you how to do your job, you know it better than me, but can he be blocked by nick? is that possible?
[00:22] <Daskreech> phunyguy: Hey question
[00:22] <phunyguy> yes Daskreech
[00:22] <Daskreech> what version of KDE are you running?
[00:22] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: They just change the nick and come back
[00:22] <phunyguy> 4.7.2
[00:22] <ikonia> BarkingFish: then they can deal with him
[00:23] <BarkingFish> ok, no problem :)
[00:23] <Daskreech> phunyguy: Want to try 4.7.3 ? also what version of NM do you have ?
[00:24] <phunyguy> I can I guess... and as far as NetManager, not sure
[00:24] <phunyguy> whatever is current for Kubuntu 11.10
[00:26] <phunyguy> hahaa virtualbox fail.
[00:27] <phunyguy> alright, be back in a jiff
[00:58] <simone> ciao a tutti
[01:02] <Daskreech> !it
[01:03] <solifugus> My .htaccess isn't working at all..  I don't get it.  I entered: sudo a2enmod rewrite  and also sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart .. no errors but it doesn't seem to work..
[01:03] <solifugus> I get a 403 forbidden error entering localhost/work/todo   where /work/todo should be going to index.php
[01:06] <solifugus> Here's the .htaccess http://pastebin.com/zw6g9Xz2
[01:13] <solifugus> ok... mod_rewrite is running.. .htaccess just isn't doing what it should be doing..
[03:17] <ledah> hello
[03:18] <ledah> i'm having a problem with plasma desktop
[03:18] <ledah> it keeps crashing
[03:46] <phunyguy> That BETTER not be the issue.  Well I feel sheepish.
[03:47] <phunyguy> I am behind a security appliance, and it is detecting lots of portscans to and from me for some reason
[03:47] <phunyguy> i set it to log only instead of drop... xD
[03:47] <phunyguy> (the issue was still occuring in Xubuntu)
[04:32] <iToxic> morgen
[04:32] <iToxic> :D
[04:34] <Daskreech> ?
[05:54]  * new2net is waiting for headers.
[06:07] <Daskreech> ok
[06:15] <Linuxephus> Could someone be so kind as to tell me when an update for Firefox 8 will be available for Kubuntu 11.04 and what the  delay for it is thus far?
[06:16] <Linuxephus> I'm assuming the unusual delay for the update the usual repository is due to Kubuntu 11.10 recently being released. Am i right or wrong?
[06:43] <Daskreech> Linuxephus: I'm not sure. I would think that since Firefox insists on all it's updates being called security updates now that FF8 will be available at some point in the main repo but they likely have a semi public PPA that tracks it in a more timely manner
[06:45] <Linuxephus> Ah, my thanks then Daskreech. Judging by your comment, the main repo must be still working on finishing touches to get it packaged properly for the aforementioned main repo.
[06:46] <Daskreech> I am speaking out of ignorance with regards to that package but it would seem to make sense that if it's a security update (which all FF updates are now) then it would be pushed
[06:47] <Daskreech> But that doesn't mean they will push it through rapidly unless it's a critical patch. More likely that they will make it available for wider testing and once they are confident enough that it's not a problematic package they will move it for general use for people who don't care
[06:47] <Linuxephus> As for semi public PPA's, even the Ubuntuzilla PPA has yet to have it packaged.
[06:49] <Linuxephus> Agreed in concern to your statement about possible testing. That sounds about right considering the time delays for it thus far.
[06:50] <Linuxephus> I thought as much myself, but wanted to double check what others might know of it as well. All in all, the delay makes sense if they're testing all of the above mentioned.
[06:51] <Linuxephus> My thanks for the input by the way Daskreech.
[06:53] <Daskreech> Linuxephus: You can ask in #ubuntu-devel (or check the Firefox launchpad page) if you want more info
[06:54] <Linuxephus> I'll head on over to the Firefox launchpad page as a matter of fact Daskreech. Thanks once again for the enlightening information. I bid you goodnight.
[06:55] <Daskreech> Good night
[07:06] <Linuxephus> Daskreech: You were right. FF8 is delayed until somewhere after the 17th of this month due to packaging testing for Kubuntu 11.04, including major changes being prepared for those still running FF3.6.x releases. Which readily explains certain delays in 11.04 on back.
[07:07] <Daskreech> Ah same day KDE gets tagged for 4.8 beta release :)
[07:08] <Linuxephus> Interesting you should mention that (so much for "goodnight"...LOLing). I'm still waiting for them to backport KDE 4.7 for the 11.04 series.
[07:32] <Palbuddy1234> hello! can anyone help me out setting up a samba share so I can stream stuff to xbmc on an xbox?  thanks in advance!
[10:30] <athena_> how to use kmail for Live Mail?
[10:32] <athena_> Does anybody can help me?
[10:56] <Marchitos> network manager plamoid is not fully translated in italian..who do i have to ask?
[11:45] <caesar_> i'm currently on Ubuntu 11.04.. i rolled back from 11.10 because of compatibility issues. Will I see the same issues with the latest Kubuntu release?
[11:47] <caesar_> should i go with 11.10 or stick with 10.04
[12:29] <tgr> KPackageKit problem: when I click the "Software updates" icon I always get an error "An unknown error has happened". What should I do?
[12:31] <drbobb> hi, why can't I edit the apps menu in oneiric?
[12:32] <drbobb> I mean the apps displayed by the standard "K" launcher?
[12:34] <drbobb> I can launch the menu editor and add my own items, they seem to be saved without errors, but unlike on previous releases -- they never appear in the menu
[12:35] <tgr> KPackageKit further problem: the "search" text entry box is permanently disabled. Can anyone help?
[12:50] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:55] <tgr> Ok, KPackageKit problem solved. I ran apt-get update, which failed but which told me the commands to run to fix it.
[13:08] <adarshajoisa> I have a problem with my sound. When I plug in my headphone into my laptop, the laptop speakers don't turn off. I need to open alsamixer and manually reduce the speaker volume. Is it a known bug?
[13:18] <BluesKaj> adarshajoisa, yes I'm afraid so , it's different each case as well
[13:19] <BluesKaj> ada do yo still have pulse audio installed. if so install the pavucontrol ..it  gives more options
[13:19] <BluesKaj> adarshajoisa,^
[13:19] <adarshajoisa> BluesKaj: :( That's a major inconvenience.
[13:19] <adarshajoisa> BluesKaj: ok. will try that.
[16:18] <snikker> hi i've got nvidia and intel graphics card on my notebook. how can i use nvidia card with full 3d support?
[16:28] <genii-around> snikker: Do you have the nvidia proprietary drivers installed?
[16:28] <snikker> genii-around: yes i've got it, installed from ubuntu repository
[16:42] <chaitu> Greetings All. Can anyone help me in installing new themes please? Am I right in thinking I cant install ubuntu themes for kubuntu? Also, after downloading the themes,what would be the next step? Thanks
[16:43] <genii-around> Ubuntu themes won't work on Kubuntu apps.
[16:43] <chaitu> Thanks.. can you tell me how to install kubuntu themes that I downloaded please?
[16:51] <ArchangelSe7en> chaitu, it's better to use the integrated download button
[16:51] <ArchangelSe7en> KickOff > search "styles"
[17:44] <adi11> hi. why is it that i boot on my gnu/linux os successfully once every two times? anyone can help.. thanks
[17:45] <genii-around> Is your boot drive some RAID1 with a failed drive?
[17:46] <adi11> i dont know that how can i see?
[17:48] <adi11> my hdd is a ata i think
[17:51] <rockprincess> hey guys, i have recently upgraded to 11.10 and i'm experiencing the same problems as these guys. i was wondering if anyone knew a fix to this issue, as it's really bugging me :(
[17:53] <BluesKaj> rockprincess, what guys ?
[17:53] <rockprincess> ooopsie sorry, i forgot to paste the link
[17:53] <rockprincess> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11462572
[17:53] <adi11> can anyone help? thanks
[17:54] <adi11> it really annoys me so much
[17:54] <rockprincess> the playback and the audio worked perfectly fine before the upgrade to 11.10 :(
[17:55] <BluesKaj> rockprincess, played back fine in which player ?
[17:55] <genii-around> adi11: The times when it doesn't boot, how far along does it get?
[17:55] <rockprincess> BluesKaj: doesn't matter, I've tried Dragon, VLC and the flash in firefox.....
[17:55] <rockprincess> BluesKaj: same symptoms.
[17:56] <adi11> Genii-around : about 1min 30 sec. than it load the os
[17:56] <rockprincess> BluesKaj: Amarok doesn't playback any sound at all. speakers are NOT on mute (i've triple checked ;))
[17:57] <adi11> it just stays there on kubuntu logo with white dotsthan i can hear hdd normal noise that is loading
[17:57] <BluesKaj> rockprincess, pls describe your symptoms and not someone else's , we need to know your details only
[17:58] <genii-around> adi11: So it actually does boot successfully every time but every second time it takes 90 seconds longer?
[17:58] <adi11> the times that fail, is like white dots loading than black screen and all you see is busy box and intramfs
[17:58] <BluesKaj> ok rockprincess , no sound at all or just none on amarok ?
[17:58] <adi11> no. it boots succesfully once in two.
[17:58] <rockprincess> BluesKaj: ok, the symptoms are: the video plays in double speed, people move faster than they should. and I don't hear any audio at all. it's silent.
[17:59] <rockprincess> BluesKaj: absolutely no sound on Dragon, vlc, and Amarok....I can test it in audacity too, if it helps prove my symptoms ;)
[18:00] <adi11> first boot it fails and sends me on busybox initramfs. than i do a ctrl+alt+del. and it restarts. than second time it takes like 1min 30 sec but it finally load the os.
[18:00] <genii-around> adi11: Could you please pastebin /boot/grub/grub.cfg     ( assuming you are on GRUB2)
[18:01] <genii-around> !pastebin
[18:01] <adi11> ok
[18:02] <BluesKaj> rockprincess, have you checked you test in phonon/device preference and while you're there , is pulseaudio installed?
[18:02] <rockprincess> BluesKaj: thank you, i will check immediately!
[18:03] <adi11> genii-around : http://paste.ubuntu.com/740436/
[18:03] <adi11> i dont know if my grub is ver 2. i am on kubuntu 11.10 kernel 3.0.013
[18:07] <adi11> i dont know if this helps... i am on a hp dv 6700. dual boot win7/kubuntu. 3 gb ram, nvidia card. installed proprietary drivers for nvidia from kubuntu.
[18:09] <genii-around> adi11: OK. Your grub.cfg file looks fine. Can you pstebin now your /etc/fstab
[18:09] <rockprincess> BluesKaj: ok, the phonon/device preference seems ok. i have hear the test sounds...apt-get says the latest version of pulseaudio is installed.
[18:09] <adi11> ok
[18:10] <rockprincess> BluesKaj: but i still have the same problem with video playback and sound.
[18:11] <adi11> genii-around : http://paste.ubuntu.com/740441/
[18:12] <BluesKaj> rockprincess, , the video problem is a new bug that I don't know how to fix , the audio may just be an unloaded sound module. cat /proc/asound/modules
[18:13] <genii-around> adi11: That too looks in order.
[18:14] <j_dulaney> Is there anyone here that went to SELF this past year?
[18:14] <adi11> so what is causing all this. i can t boot successfully every time.
[18:14] <rockprincess> BluesKay: output says:  0 snd_hda_intel 1 snd_hda_intel 29 thinkpad_acpi
[18:14] <adi11> my win7 boot far more faster than ubuntu
[18:15] <adi11> and it should be the opposite
[18:16] <rockprincess> BluesKaj: you somehow fixed my audio problem, at least i can now play music in Amarok....thanks sooo much :)
[18:16] <adi11> genii-around : do you need to see any other file output?
[18:17] <BluesKaj> rockprincess, ok, now , sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel
[18:18] <rockprincess> BluesKaj: ok done, this just loads the sound module, right? there shouldnt be an output from that?!
[18:18] <BluesKaj> no
[18:19] <BluesKaj> rockprincess, then open /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf with root permissions, add this line at the bottom , options snd_hda_intel index=0
[18:20] <BluesKaj> that line makes the intel card your default at boot , rockprincess , it should work inall your players after you reboot
[18:21] <genii-around> adi11: Apologies on lag, trying to assist while at work here. No other files for the moment. You might try to rebuild your initrd by: sudo update-initramfs -u
[18:21] <reinaldo> After upgrade to Kubuntu 11.10 I'm having problems with the appls: kradio4 and alsamixergui work only as root. Tvtime, trhough CX88 driver don't syntonize any channel. Does someone has any idea why?
[18:23] <rockprincess> BluesKaj: wonderful, shall I put a # comment tag in front of this line then? options snd-usb-audio index=-2 or is this being ignored anyway since the intel card is loaded first (index=0)
[18:24] <BluesKaj> index=-2 means it's not used , so no comment needed
[18:24] <adi11> genii-around : thanks for helping. if this might help. when it hangs on some times it goes on tty and there i can see some output from the sys. i see a lot of "ata1 device is slow to respond" and than error
[18:25] <rockprincess> BluesKaj: ok, cool! i will reboot now.....do you have any idea, why this was ignored/overwritten when i upgraded to 11.10?
[18:25] <genii-around> adi11: That may be a hardware issue also.
[18:26] <adi11> on my hdd?
[18:26] <BluesKaj> rockprincess, no , but it's a common problem with the intel audio , but fixable
[18:27] <rockprincess> BluesKaj: I think my video problem could be related to a driver problem as well..?!
[18:27] <genii-around> adi11: Can be the HD is developing bad areas, or that the controller is experiencing problems. You might want to check BIOS and see that boot order is like: CD, hard drive you have kubuntu on, other stuff below this
[18:28] <genii-around> adi11: Also maybe check in there about S.M.A.R.T. reporting ( when HD senses it is going bad and tells the computer)
[18:28] <BluesKaj> rockprincess, I don't have any idea
[18:28] <adi11> ok i will do that. but my cd does not workand i think i have disable it in bios.
[18:29] <AciD_> hi
[18:30] <AciD_> krename segfault on startup. I found a thread identifying the problem and it seems to be fixed in 4.0.7-2. Kubuntu 11.10 ships with 4.0.7-1. Is there a fix coming for ubuntu ?
[18:30] <adi11> geni-around : where can i see this SMART reporting?
[18:30] <AciD_> (it was 4.0.7-2 for fedora in that thread though)
[18:30] <AciD_> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=684908
[18:33] <genii-around> adi11: There is in BIOS usually only a feature to either have it on or off. When it's on and HD is failing, computer will usually pause before bootloader and give a message about it.
[18:33] <genii-around> adi11: Where to find it in your BIOS varys from machine to machine
[18:34] <genii-around> Work, back in a few
[18:34] <adi11> ok thanks geni-around :)
[18:34] <Daskreech> also
[18:34] <Daskreech> !info smartmontools
[18:49] <tgr> Trying to create new mail folders in kontact silently fails. Any ideas what the problem might be?
[18:55] <kamilnadeem> Hi
[18:55] <kamilnadeem> guys I am facing quite a few problems on kubuntu 11.10 off late
[18:56] <kamilnadeem> the sound of the system goes out randomly and then
[18:56] <kamilnadeem> when irun a video file , the player will hang
[18:56] <kamilnadeem> same case while watching youtube
[18:56] <kamilnadeem> also the desktop shell has crashed one time too mnay
[18:56] <kamilnadeem> on me after the 4.7.3 update
[18:57] <kamilnadeem> why is all this happening?
[19:14] <BarkingFish> anyone know if it's possible to downgrade KDE?  i put 4.7.3 on and it's quite clearly busted. There's bugs filing left right and center over plasma-desktop keep dying.
[19:17] <skreech_> BarkingFish: sure. jsut remove kde take out your KDE 4.7.3 repos and reinstall
[19:17] <BarkingFish> is there a way that doesn't involve removing the whole of KDE?
[19:19] <BarkingFish> !info kdebase oneiric
[19:19] <BarkingFish> !info kdebase4 oneiric
[19:19] <BarkingFish> !kde
[19:22] <BarkingFish> OK, is 4.7.3 the current End user version of KDE on oneiric?
[19:22] <BarkingFish> I hope i've not installed a development version or something
[19:23] <genii-around> !info kdebase-runtime
[19:23] <BarkingFish> right, so I have got a development version.
[19:23]  * BarkingFish growls
[19:23] <BarkingFish> i've now got to find which repository I got it from and take it off.
[19:24] <genii-around> Probably somewhere like kubuntu-ppa-experimental
[19:24] <BarkingFish> righty ho, i'll look
[19:26] <BarkingFish> i got it from the kubuntu ppa, i have two, one is main, one is backports.
[19:26] <BarkingFish> both of those can now go, while I fix this failure on my part.
[19:26] <BarkingFish> So how do I completely uninstall KDE?
[19:28] <BarkingFish> right, got instructions. back later.
[19:40] <caesar__> chromium not available in kubuntu sources?
[19:41] <mirrakor_> caesar__: should be
[19:41] <caesar__> only been on it 10 minutes so i'm still new
[19:41] <BluesKaj> caesar__, chromium-browser
[19:41] <mirrakor_> sudo apt-getinstall chromium-browse
[19:41] <genii-around> !info chromium-browser
[19:41] <caesar__> i was looking in software center
[19:41] <mirrakor_> "sudo apt-get install chromium-browser" I mean
[19:43] <mirrakor_> But now another question, what happens if you click this address<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(Somehow when I open mail adresses it opens an composer window - but it doesn't fill in the address, is this just me or for everyone? )
[19:43] <mirrakor_> I know a workaround for that, but I'm wondring if that's a general bug
[19:46] <skreech_> caesar__: try refresh sources
[19:47] <caesar__> i see it now
[19:49] <caesar__> is there a way to pull up all vdesktops on one screen
[19:51] <BluesKaj> caesar__, slide your cursor to the upper left hand corner
[19:51] <caesar__> niice
[19:52] <caesar__> i gotta learn all the tricks
[19:52] <caesar__> just switched from ubuntu today..
[19:52] <skreech_> Ctrl+F8
[19:52] <caesar__> i gotta say this is way cleaner
[19:53] <caesar__> and sexier
[19:54] <Daskreech> \o/ sexy
[19:54] <Daskreech> Everynow and again I will put my animation on to ridiculously slow just to see it unfold :)
[19:55] <Daskreech> mirrakor_: Opens with the email for me
[19:55] <BarkingFish> evening guys. Right, this is turning into a fair old adventure
[19:55] <BarkingFish> I really need help
[19:55]  * BluesKaj shakes his head ....sexy ?
[19:55] <Daskreech> 1888helpme
[19:55] <BarkingFish> I've deleted most of the 4.7.3 parts of kde, killed kdm and i'm in irssi - I am still seeing bits of kde 4.7.3 in the system and I can't get rid of them.
[19:55] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: You don't really get to decide what constitutes as that :)
[19:56] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: sudo apt-get remove kdelibs5 && sudo apt-get autoremove
[19:56] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: excellent :)
[19:56] <caesar__> BarkingFish: yes, sexy
[19:56] <BarkingFish> one sec while I switch ttys
[19:56] <caesar__> i has a visual orgasm after i installed
[19:56] <caesar__> had*
[19:57] <Daskreech> lol more than possibly we needed to know but I think that was the intent
[19:57] <BarkingFish> well that didn't work.
[19:57] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish, , hope you removed the ppas from source.list.d
[19:57] <BarkingFish> It says kdelibs5 isn't installed, so it's not been removed
[19:57] <BarkingFish> BluesKaj: I did
[19:57] <BluesKaj> good
[19:57] <caesar__> Daskreech: by animations are you speaking of compiz?
[19:58] <BarkingFish> but I'm still seeing a lot of kdeprogs like Kamera and stuff at 4.7.3 in aptitude
[19:58] <Daskreech> caesar__: Kwin
[19:58] <caesar__> is that similar?
[19:58] <Daskreech> Yes
[19:58] <BarkingFish> it also tells me I have "held broken packages" when I try to install anything
[19:58] <Daskreech> what have you held?
[19:59] <BarkingFish> nothing to my knowledge
[19:59] <caesar__> i had that error when trying to install packages that were from an earlier distro
[19:59] <caesar__> not compatible with current version
[20:01] <caesar__> kwin gonna be my new favorite app
[20:01] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: how do I find out if anything is held?
[20:02] <Daskreech> caesar__: It's pretty sweet. Wait till you learn alt+ctrl+A
[20:02] <caesar__> update sources?
[20:02] <caesar__> Daskreech: it's not doing anything?
[20:03] <caesar__> maybe it knows i havn't learned it yet.. lol
[20:03] <Daskreech> caesar__: anytime something is flashing in the taskbar it will jump you to it
[20:03] <Daskreech> very useful. very addicitve
[20:08]  * caesar__ is patiently waiting for notification
[20:08] <caesar__> lol
[20:09]  * BarkingFish sighs deeply
[20:09] <BarkingFish> this is not going well.
[20:09]  * genii-around twitches
[20:10] <BarkingFish> all i have is a cli and a program i don't know how to use in order to sort my pc out :(
[20:10]  * Resistance slaps genii-around for twitching
[20:11] <genii-around> Resistance: I blame it on caffeine overload today. 11th mug of coffee.
[20:11] <BarkingFish> do I need to uninstall everything which is related to kde 4.7.3 as well as kde itself?
[20:11] <Resistance> genii-around:  i'm on my 8th triple espresso, and i havent exploded :P
[20:11] <BarkingFish> genii-around: join the club. I've had more caffeine than food today
[20:12]  * Resistance has had enough caffeine to kill a normal human
[20:12] <BarkingFish> if you've had more than 1000mg of caffeine, you're doing well
[20:13] <BarkingFish> anyway, i just need to get kde 4.7.2 back and i'm done, any ideas?
[20:14] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: do you have kdebase ?
[20:15] <Daskreech> caesar__: does this work ?
[20:15] <caesar__> yep
[20:15] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: no
[20:15] <caesar__> nice touch
[20:15] <Daskreech> genii-around: can you get a list of held packages?
[20:15] <BarkingFish> i tried to install it, Daskreech and got told it's been obsoleted - something else refers to it, but it's not present
[20:16] <BarkingFish> unless i'm using the wrong package name
[20:16] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: did you remove the kde 4.7.3 repos ?
[20:16] <BarkingFish> yes
[20:16] <BarkingFish> i know where i went wrong, i had the ppa from neon and also kubuntu's proposed ppa on too
[20:17] <BarkingFish> both gone, as are all my other 3rd party repositories.  history.
[20:17] <BarkingFish> from now on, if kubuntu don't issue it, i'm not installing it. shoot this for a game of soldiers, i'm not going through it again :)
[20:18] <mirrakor_> For the records: it was just a firefox problem, not sure how it works for default, but I had to manually add "kmail --composer %s" for mailto:-links
[20:18] <BluesKaj> odd , only have a few issues with kde , but some are really annoying
[20:19] <BarkingFish> BluesKaj: this one was a pest, i've seen more bugs filed against plasma-desktop on 4.7.3 than i have against pretty much anything else. a
[20:19] <BarkingFish> *and that's only in the last couple of days
[20:20] <BluesKaj> just upgraded my other pc to 12.04 ...sems fine , sound even works without pulseaudio ...happiness!
[20:20] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: maybe just be more careful of what you have and keep on :)
[20:20] <Daskreech>  I've installed software from a PPA then disabled it right after before
[20:20] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: the problem is, one of the progs I want and need is only issued from a ppa
[20:20] <Daskreech> caesar__: isn't it?
[20:21] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: so install it then disable the PPA unless that's the only thing in the PPA
[20:21] <BarkingFish> SynCE, for syncing my WM2003 iPAQ to KDE
[20:21] <BarkingFish> then I don't get the updates
[20:21] <BarkingFish> catch 22.
[20:22] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: if it's the only thing in the PPA that's fine
[20:22] <BarkingFish> ok then, it'll go back.
[20:22] <BarkingFish> When I get KDE reinstalled....
[20:22] <Daskreech> It's when you have huge PPAs that's an issue
[20:22] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: You could go crazy and remove X :)
[20:23] <BarkingFish> i'm still getting told I've held broken packages.
[20:24] <BarkingFish> I've held nothing whatsoever. I don't understand this.
[20:24] <BarkingFish> I just want my GUI back.
[20:24]  * BarkingFish sits and shakes in the corner.
[20:24] <BarkingFish> I don't like working on a CLI.
[20:26] <genii-around> BarkingFish: This looks interesting
[20:26] <genii-around> BarkingFish: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2010/11/08/reinstall-kde/
[20:27] <BarkingFish> which I can't open, since I'm in a cli, and have no DM to run a browser off :)
[20:27] <Daskreech> !puregnoem
[20:27] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: you have w3m
[20:27] <Daskreech> cause UNIX is amazing!!
[20:27] <genii-around> There's also links
[20:27] <genii-around> !info links
[20:28] <BarkingFish> what I need is someone first to help me fix this package issue, which i don't understand
[20:28] <BarkingFish> I'm sorry if I seem desperate, that may be because I am.
[20:29] <BarkingFish> i don't have a clue how to use aptitude, i'm essentially lost on a text only terminal.
[20:33] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: what the command yo uare using?
[20:34] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: apt-get install kdebase-workspace
[20:35] <BarkingFish> or apt-get install kde* take your pick
[20:35] <BarkingFish> none of them work
[20:35] <genii-around> dpkg --get-selections | grep hold      should show you whatever's on hold
[20:35] <Resistance> BarkingFish:  what's broken
[20:35] <BarkingFish> i get the same error every time - it wants to install 4.7.3
[20:35] <BarkingFish> Resistance: you can take your choice, it's all good :P
[20:36] <BarkingFish> yet I have no 4.7.3 repos in my list, no backports, nothing
[20:36] <Resistance> BarkingFish:  so basically your  entire system is broken?
[20:36] <Resistance> :P
[20:36] <BarkingFish> Resistance: i have no KDE, I cannot reinstall kde because the system claims I've held broken packages
[20:36] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: does genii-around's command give you anything ?
[20:36] <BarkingFish> when in fact, I've held precisely squat
[20:37] <Resistance> BarkingFish:  i take it backup/reinstall is not an option?
[20:37] <BarkingFish> not an option
[20:37] <BarkingFish> i had enough trouble getting 11.10 on here the first time round, i'm not doing it again :)
[20:37] <Daskreech> :-)
[20:37] <Resistance> BarkingFish:  11.04 isnt an option? :P
[20:37]  * Resistance never upgraded for this reason :P
[20:37] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: read that, can't use it cause I can't copypaste all the stuff off the webpage
[20:38] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: dpkg --get-selections | grep hold
[20:38] <BarkingFish> Resistance: i'd rather not go back to natty.
[20:38] <BarkingFish> ok Daskreech - one moment
[20:38] <BarkingFish> returns nothing
[20:40] <BarkingFish> all this to downgrade because one package is borked
[20:42] <root____> hi
[20:43] <genii-around> BarkingFish: sudo rm /var/cache/apt    ..which wipes out pkgcache.bin  srcpkgcache.bin  .. then update and see if it still says about held broken packages
[20:43] <genii-around> /var/cache/apt/*  rather
[20:44] <BarkingFish> ok, i'll have a go, i'm just taking out all the other stuff in aptitude showing under KDE / main with a 4.7.3 on the version
[20:44] <BarkingFish> i think i've figured it out. possibly.
[20:44] <BarkingFish> i hope
[20:48] <BarkingFish> ok, i'm still getting the broken package errors
[20:49] <BarkingFish> what I want to know is where it's getting the 4:4.7.3-0ubuntu0.1~ppa1 versions from for install.
[20:50] <BarkingFish> is there anyway I can remove all my sources on the cli and install a fresh set?
[20:50] <BarkingFish> i will get this to work if it kills me
[20:51] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: apt-cache policy
[20:53] <BarkingFish> ok, i didn't understand any of that, but it looked good :)
[20:53] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: apt-cache is a command
[20:53] <BarkingFish> Basically, everything starts with a 500, then gives me details of the packages
[20:53] <BarkingFish> /s/packages/repositories
[20:53] <Daskreech> policy is an instruction to make it tell you apt's policy on a package
[20:53] <Daskreech> then you put the package you want
[20:54] <Daskreech> It will tell you the version you have installed the repos that have a package of the same name and what reop will be used if you install//update it
[20:55] <Daskreech> as well as version numbers etc
[20:55] <BarkingFish> installed: none / candidate 4:4.7.2-0-ubuntu1  for kdebase-runtime
[20:55] <BarkingFish> but when I try to install it, it wants to install all of 4.7.3's packages as its depends
[20:55] <Daskreech> there it will install 4.7.2 for kdebase-runtime
[20:56] <Daskreech> from which repo?
[20:58] <BarkingFish> said it's from /var/lib/dpkg/status
[20:58] <BarkingFish> which starts with 100
[20:59] <BarkingFish> i have just had a thought...
[20:59] <BarkingFish> i know it's rare, but I'll be back in a sec
[21:00] <BarkingFish> ok, the thought doesn't help.
[21:00] <BarkingFish> The status file shows a lot of kde packages which are at 4.7.3
[21:01] <BarkingFish> and when i pull the policy on kde-runtime, it says the candidate is 4.7.2, but the 4.7.3 version is gonna be installed. I'm sure I can override that, just can't remember how
[21:03] <Daskreech> sudo apt-get install kde-runtime=4.7.2-0
[21:06] <BarkingFish> well that started to work, Daskreech
[21:07] <BarkingFish> I got this, apologies for the long message: kde-runtime: depends kdelibs5-plugins (>= 4:4.6.80) but it is not going to be installed
[21:08] <BarkingFish> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages
[21:08] <BarkingFish> what's the dpkg command for fixing stuff when it shows up as broken?
[21:09] <Daskreech> 4.6.80 is 4.7.0 beta
[21:09] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: i have no idea then.
[21:09] <BarkingFish> I know of dpkg -i  something goes after it, can't recall what.
[21:10] <Daskreech> sudo apt-get -f install
[21:11] <BarkingFish> thanks
[21:12] <BarkingFish> didn't do anything, 0 newly installed, 0 upgraded, 0 removed and 0 not installed
[21:16] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: i think something is really broken here now.
[21:16] <BarkingFish> I just did apt-cache unmet to check for unmet deps
[21:16] <Daskreech> Hold on there is a dpkg command but I don't recall it off the top of my head
[21:16] <BarkingFish> the list that scrolled past my eyes lasted a good 25 seconds and gave me a headache
[21:16] <BarkingFish> i just did that one
[21:17] <Daskreech> ah :)
[21:17] <BarkingFish> dpkg --configure -a
[21:17] <Daskreech> tha's it :)
[21:17] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: can You pastebin that list ?
[21:17] <BarkingFish> i don't know how to do it, Daskreech - this is what I said earlier.
[21:17] <BarkingFish> Unless I have a GUI i'm lost
[21:18] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: do you have pastebinit ?
[21:18] <BarkingFish> i do now
[21:18] <Daskreech> lol :-D
[21:19] <Daskreech> run the apt-cache unmet and pipe it to pastebinit
[21:19] <BarkingFish> right now, i'd try gnawing my own hands off as long as this is working before I go to bed :)
[21:19] <BarkingFish> ok, back in a sec
[21:19] <Daskreech> usual gibberish
[21:19] <Daskreech> it will give you a URL put that url in this chan so we can see it
[21:20] <BarkingFish> right that's apt-cache unmet > pastebinit or | pastebinit
[21:21] <Daskreech> |
[21:21] <BarkingFish> ok
[21:21] <Daskreech> > is a redirect
[21:21] <Daskreech> it will make a file named pastebinit that has  the output of the command
[21:21] <Daskreech> Which technically you could then pastebin with $: pastebinit pastebinit
[21:21] <BarkingFish> http://paste.ubuntu.com/740605/
[21:21] <Daskreech> Whoot
[21:22] <BarkingFish> brb
[21:22] <Daskreech> That's ... a large list
[21:22] <Daskreech> ok time to start dissecting
[21:23] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: as I said, it took +-25 seconds to go past my eyes when I ran it, and with a photosensitive epileptic, repeating patterns like that are not good :/
[21:24] <Daskreech> ah and I guess you can't ctrl+c that quickly
[21:24] <BarkingFish> no
[21:24] <BarkingFish> cause i can't constantly watch the screen while it's going past
[21:27] <BarkingFish> so from the looks of that list, i have 10341 packages with unmet deps :P
[21:28] <caesar__> Daskreech: why wouldnt a wireless driver load?
[21:29] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: can you run cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit ?
[21:29] <caesar__> http://pastebin.com/VsKzGBL6
[21:29] <BarkingFish> sure Daskreech - give me a moment
[21:30] <Daskreech> !broadcom
[21:30] <BarkingFish> cat: /etc/apt/sources.list.d is a directory :)
[21:31] <BarkingFish> paste number 740614
[21:31] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: sorry put a /* at the end of that
[21:31] <BarkingFish> :P
[21:31] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: so cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit ?
[21:31] <BarkingFish> no such file or directory
[21:31] <genii-around> caesar__: Install the linux-headers package for your running kernel
[21:32] <caesar__> genii-around: not quite familiar
[21:33] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: good enough
[21:33] <caesar__> in other words.. i've never done it before
[21:33] <genii-around> caesar__: eg: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[21:33] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: do you have what you need from that first paste?
[21:33] <Daskreech> genii-around: http://paste.ubuntu.com/740605/ seems like a pretty interesting update/repo error
[21:34] <BarkingFish> taking 1 package and 1 replace per line, I have over 10k packages with unmet dependencies... that scares the thingies out of me :)
[21:34] <genii-around> Daskreech: Ouch
[21:34] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: checking
[21:35] <Daskreech> genii-around: yeah I'm trying to figure some of it out. Hopefully it's a one line fix
[21:35] <BarkingFish> i need a coffee before i go gaga, back in a couple of minutes
[21:35] <genii-around> Mmmm coffee
[21:35] <BarkingFish> keep typing, i can scroll irssi if i need to
[21:35] <BarkingFish> genii-around: rocket fuel. coffee + guarana
[21:35] <BarkingFish> and at this moment in time, i need all the help i can get
[21:35] <Daskreech> seems to be an abnormal amount of natilus depends in there for a KDE install
[21:39] <genii-around> Daskreech: Yes. http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/kubuntu-desktop also does not list anything nautilus-related as a dependancy or a recommends
[21:39] <caesar__> genii-around: http://pastebin.com/WeECAiVZ
[21:39] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: apt-get remove kpat
[21:40] <Daskreech> Hold on let me give you full list
[21:42] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: apt-get remove kpat kcmutils4 libkldap4 libktnef4 libkactivities5 kdepim-runtime libkimproxy4 libqt4-dbus gwenview libkdecore5 && sudo apt-get autoremove
[21:43] <Daskreech> that should pull out a good number more of corner depends
[21:45] <genii-around> caesar__: Can you pastebin /var/log/jockey.log  file please
[21:45] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: ok, I'll do those now. It might take some time as I'm alternating between TTY1 and TTY 2 to do this
[21:46] <caesar__> genii-around: the last part or the whole thing?
[21:46] <genii-around> caesar__: Since I don't know what part might contain errors relevant to the wl driver, the whole thing
[21:47] <genii-around> caesar__: Also please pastebin result of:  grep wl /etc/modprobe.d/*
[21:48] <BarkingFish> right Daskreech kcmutils4 isn't installed, says it's unable to locate the package
[21:48] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: Umm give me a moment
[21:49] <BarkingFish> ok
[21:49] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: libkcmutils4
[21:49] <BarkingFish> ok
[21:49] <caesar__> genii-around: http://pastebin.com/j55bBVyq
[21:49] <Daskreech> You can jsut press up to get back the old line and edit it
[21:49] <BarkingFish> now we're getting somewhere
[21:49] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: Close your eyes :)
[21:50] <BarkingFish> 1 newly installed, 131 to remove
[21:50] <Daskreech> Hmm ok
[21:50] <Daskreech> Let it go
[21:50] <BarkingFish> holy shlomoly.  It's taking off a lot of stuff I didn't even realise was anything to do with KDE
[21:50] <caesar__> genii-around: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-watchdog.conf:blacklist twl4030_wdt
[21:51] <BarkingFish> it's stripped phonon and its backends, vlc, and 129 other assorted pieces of whatever
[21:51] <caesar__> genii-around: this is a clean install and everything is stock
[21:52] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: the whole command has completed successfully, no errors
[21:52] <BarkingFish> And I'm now 206mb lighter :)
[21:52] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: ha ha whoot!
[21:53] <genii-around> caesar__: What is the vendor: device code for the wireless?
[21:53] <Daskreech> ok lets try apt-cache unmet | grep 4.7.3 | pastebinit
[21:53] <BarkingFish> ok
[21:53] <caesar__> genii-around: how do i locate that
[21:53] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: paste 740630
[21:54] <BarkingFish> that took barely a couple of seconds
[21:54] <genii-around> caesar__: If you do: lspci -nn        it's the numbers at the end of the line like ( 8086:0001 )
[21:54] <genii-around> Work, back in a few
[21:54] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: *coughs* could you do sudo apt-get update
[21:55] <BarkingFish> done
[21:55] <Daskreech> then run the apt-cache unmet grep command without the pastebin
[21:55] <Daskreech> let me know how many things it shows
[21:55] <caesar__> 8086:2932?
[21:56] <caesar__> genii-around: I get alot of numbers like that
[21:56] <caesar__> let me paste
[21:56] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: according to vi, the output is 130 lines, i'd guesstimate about 120 of those are items
[21:57] <caesar__> genii-around: http://pastebin.com/zKKCVPie
[21:58] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: count reveals 108 items, some share unmet deps
[21:58] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: ok pastebinit and lets see what else needs some help out of the system
[21:59] <BarkingFish> i did pastebin the results
[21:59] <BarkingFish> from the other command you gave me, the paste number is 740630
[21:59] <BarkingFish> http://paste.ubuntu.com/740630/
[22:00] <caesar__> genii-around: i have updates pending reboot.. i'll be right back just to rule that out as an issue
[22:00] <caesar__> brb
[22:03] <Daskreech> Ah right
[22:03] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: Sooo kpat is still there?
[22:04] <BarkingFish> no
[22:04] <BarkingFish> not according to the system
[22:04] <Daskreech> apt-cache unmet | grep kpat I meant
[22:04] <BarkingFish> i'll send a fresh paste up
[22:04] <Daskreech> ok thank
[22:05] <Daskreech> s
[22:05] <BarkingFish> yes, 3 versions of i
[22:05] <BarkingFish> *it
[22:05] <BarkingFish> 4.7.3, 4.7.2 and 4.7.1
[22:06] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: http://paste.ubuntu.com/740642/
[22:06] <BarkingFish> i think we need a script writing, or we need to get KDE to write one to help you downgrade to a previous version :)
[22:07] <caesar__> genii-around: back
[22:07] <BarkingFish> It would be so much easier than having to pester you guys for almost 3 hours +
[22:07] <genii-around> caesar_: Does lsmod | grep acer_wmi   produce a result?
[22:08] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: normally I jsut remove kdelibs5 and auto remove cleans up the rest
[22:08] <caesar__> genii-around: no
[22:08] <BarkingFish> well whatever's happened here, i'm determined that it won't happen again
[22:09] <Daskreech> what's apt-cache policy kubuntu-desktop say ?
[22:09] <BarkingFish> no more proposed stuff for me, from now on if it's not ready, it's not going on my kit, simple.
[22:09] <caesar__> .
[22:10] <BarkingFish> installed (none): candidate: 1.239
[22:11] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: apt-cache depends kubuntu-desktop
[22:12] <caesar_> .
[22:12] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: http://paste.ubuntu.com/740648/
[22:12] <genii-around> caesar_: Is there anything in the directory /lib/firmware/brcm  ?
[22:13] <genii-around> ( particularly bcm43xx-0.fw  and bcm43xx_hdr-0.fw )
[22:13] <caesar__> .
[22:13] <genii-around> caesar__: Is there anything in /lib/firmware/brcm   ( particularly bcm43xx-0.fw and bcm43xx_hdr-0.fw )
[22:14] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: apt-cache policy kdm
[22:14] <Daskreech> what's the candidate version?
[22:14] <BarkingFish> 4:4.7.2-0ubuntu2, Daskreech
[22:14] <genii-around> Well thats hopeful
[22:15] <Daskreech> yep
[22:15] <caesar__> genii-around: yes i have both +2
[22:15] <Daskreech> ok
[22:15] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: try sudo apt-get install kubutu-desktop
[22:15] <BarkingFish> doesn't work. i'll paste up the output
[22:16] <genii-around> caesar__: Please try: sudo modprobe -r b43 && sudo modprobe b43     ... and then pastebin result of:  dmesg | tail
[22:16] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: paste.ubuntu.com/740653/
[22:18] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: sudo apt-get remove ark
[22:18] <caesar_> genii-around: http://pastebin.com/i55zjfPZ
[22:19] <BarkingFish> not installed, Daskreech
[22:19] <Daskreech> o_O
[22:19] <Daskreech> apt-cache policy ark
[22:19] <BarkingFish> jcgs: welcome :)  Nice to see someone from one of my old stomping grounds :)
[22:19] <genii-around> caesar_: OK, this one uses different firmware, whic is not being found.
[22:20] <jcgs> Hi :)
[22:20] <BarkingFish> installed: none - Candidate: 4:4.7.2-0ubuntu1
[22:20] <caesar_> genii-around: installed fine in ubuntu
[22:20] <Daskreech> sudo apt-get install ark
[22:21] <BarkingFish> unable to install, depends: kde-runtime but it is not going to be installed.
[22:21] <BarkingFish> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages
[22:21] <Daskreech> apt-cache policy kde-runtime
[22:21] <BarkingFish> same results as per ark, Daskreech
[22:21] <genii-around> caesar_: sudo apt-get install linux-firmware-nonfree
[22:22] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: try install that
[22:22] <BarkingFish> candidate is 4:4.7.2-0ubuntu1
[22:22] <Daskreech> I'm going to guess it's a qt package holding everything up
[22:23] <BarkingFish> Unable to install: - depends: libplasma3 (>= 4:4.6.80) (not going to be installed)
[22:23] <BarkingFish> same message with kdelibs5-plugins
[22:24] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: is libplasma3 installed ?
[22:24] <BarkingFish> also plasma-scriptengine-javascript (= 4:4.7.2-0ubuntu1)
[22:24] <BarkingFish> same message on all 3
[22:24] <caesar_> genii-around: installed
[22:24] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: same again
[22:25] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: try install libplasma3 see what it requires
[22:25] <genii-around> caesar_: Now does /lib/firmware/b43    have that ucode file in there?
[22:25] <Daskreech> Jsut follow it back till you find somethign that's already installed
[22:26] <BarkingFish> needs libthreadweaver3 (=4:4.7.2-0ubuntu1) but 4:4.7.3-0ubuntu0.1~ppa1 is going to be installed
[22:26] <caesar_> genii-around: 117 items in that folder
[22:26] <BarkingFish> got it
[22:27] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: which isn't installed and has a candidate for 4.7.3 ?
[22:27] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: it was libthreadweaver4, not 3, apologies, and it's already installed
[22:27] <genii-around> BarkingFish: eg: sudo apt-get install libsomethng-or-other=4:4.7.2-0ubuntu1
[22:27] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: dump it then
[22:27] <BarkingFish> libthreadweaver4 is already the newest version
[22:27] <BarkingFish> ok
[22:28] <caesar_> brb gonna try to connect
[22:28] <genii-around> caesar_: Does ls /lib/firmware/b43/ucode15.fw      produce a result?
[22:28] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: done
[22:28] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: essentially what's happening is that you have something from 4.7.3 installed that raises the min requirement of other things
[22:28] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: apt-get install libplasma3
[22:28] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: purge should support that
[22:28] <BarkingFish> in my opinion
[22:29] <BarkingFish> apt-get remove --purge -v=4.7.3 would be a nice option
[22:29] <caesar_> genii-around: yes, and my wifi light turned blue
[22:29] <BarkingFish> but i couldn't do that in a hundred years
[22:29] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: I don't understand what that would mean :-/
[22:29] <BarkingFish> wh00t
[22:30] <genii-around> caesar_: Good
[22:30] <BarkingFish> it's working
[22:30] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: that's it then :)
[22:30] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: the command would be apt-get remove with the purge option, to strip everything from (-v)ersion 4.7.3
[22:30] <Daskreech> You can do that with dpkg -get-selections
[22:31] <BarkingFish> you can???
[22:31] <BarkingFish> ...
[22:31] <BarkingFish> right, all that gubbins has installed with NO errors :D
[22:32] <BarkingFish> what do I do now?
[22:32]  * BarkingFish is getting excited. He may have a GUI back prior to midnight :)
[22:32] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: sudo service kdm start
[22:32] <BarkingFish> kdm stop/waiting
[22:33] <BarkingFish> you don't need the sudo thing, btw, i'm in on cli as root, in the other terminal :)
[22:33] <Daskreech> right
[22:35] <BarkingFish> BINGO!
[22:36] <BarkingFish> kdelibs5-data was holding the install back of other stuff
[22:36] <BarkingFish> just took that off, went and installed kdebase-runtime, and everything else appears to be following it
[22:37] <cracker34> всем здарова!
[22:37] <BarkingFish> !ru
[22:37] <cracker34> да
[22:37] <BarkingFish> :)
[22:38] <cracker34> а что тут бульше руских нет???
[22:39] <caesar_> genii-around: it seems like it's loading but it's not scanning for networks
[22:40] <BarkingFish> cracker34: #ubuntu-ru, here, english only.
[22:40] <Daskreech> cracker34: тип / присоединиться к #ubuntu-ru
[22:40] <Daskreech> cracker34: тип /join #ubuntu-ru
[22:40]  * BarkingFish misses google translate
[22:40] <caesar_> it's not available no more?
[22:41] <BarkingFish> jp
[22:41] <BarkingFish> not that, caesar_ - i have no GUI at the moment, and google translate doesn't work in w3m or lynx
[22:41] <BarkingFish> it's still about
[22:42] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: :-) I think that should be fixed
[22:42] <caesar_> IC
[22:42] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: this is crazy :)  I just apt-get install kdm, and my screen just filled twice over with what it needs to install
[22:42] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: kde is kindahuge
[22:42] <BarkingFish> you ain't kidding :)
[22:42] <Daskreech> If you pull X off your computer it takes something like 2GB
[22:42] <BarkingFish> omg
[22:42] <Daskreech> With X installed and a DE it's closer to 10 GB
[22:43] <Daskreech> somethign like 7 GB of GUI toolkits
[22:43] <BarkingFish> needs to get 39.2mb of archives, 189mb will be used after the install
[22:43] <BarkingFish> 199 new packages to pull
[22:43] <genii-around> caesar_: Any results if you do a manual: sudo iwlist wlan0 scan        (if device name is not wlan0 put correct device name there)
[22:43] <BarkingFish> i suppose I better make sure it's installing 4.7.2 :)
[22:44] <Daskreech> I remember when I started using linux and netscape/mozilla was 11 MB and I used to cry at how big that was
[22:45] <BarkingFish> what the hell?
[22:45] <BarkingFish> sorry
[22:45] <BarkingFish> it looks like it's installing gnome...
[22:45] <caesar_> genii-around: No Scan Results
[22:45] <caesar_> and i should have at least 3
[22:45] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: I think i may need your help
[22:45] <BarkingFish> again
[22:46] <Daskreech> Noooooooooo
[22:46]  * Daskreech flees
[22:46] <Daskreech> whats' up?
[22:46] <BarkingFish> I now have gnome-control-center and lots of files about unity, and various other things
[22:46] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: that's fine let it go
[22:46] <Daskreech> You can run purekde when you are done
[22:46] <Daskreech> !purekde
[22:46] <BarkingFish> i hope to the Pope it's not installed Gnome, or I will jump out of my window
[22:46]  * BarkingFish dislikes gnome in possibly the most unpleasant way
[22:47] <genii-around> caesar_: Please pastebin results of command: rfkill list
[22:48] <BarkingFish> brb
[22:49] <caesar_> genii-around: http://pastebin.com/r5dVkQH0
[22:51] <genii-around> caesar_: Is there some access point nearby it could be seeing?
[22:52] <caesar_> i use my phone to tether.. and there are 1 comcast router and 1 verizon router
[22:52] <manuel__> canales
[22:52] <caesar_> genii-around: yes there are 2-3 maybe 4 other connections that have been seen by win7 and ubuntu
[22:53] <genii-around> Hm
[22:54] <caesar_> is this a head scratcher?
[22:54] <Daskreech> !es
[22:55] <genii-around> caesar_: The broadcoms are notorious for not working properly :-/
[22:55] <BarkingFish> we're still not running right.
[22:56] <caesar_> genii-around: wait let me try to activate the additional drivers now
[22:56] <BarkingFish> KDM wants to start, but now I get a small white box: Xsession /usr/bin/startkde Xsession: /usr/bin/startkde not found
[22:58] <genii-around> BarkingFish: install kde-workspace-bin
[22:59] <BarkingFish> ok genii-around - thanks
[22:59] <BarkingFish> I take it Daskreech has gone for some valium or something after the time I just gave him :)
[22:59] <BarkingFish> :P
[23:01] <genii-around> BarkingFish: I have to go soon myself
[23:01] <BarkingFish> had to do another trackback to a leftover package
[23:01] <BarkingFish> but I've got that one as well
[23:01] <BarkingFish> another 68.9Mb and 49 packages en route :)
[23:01] <Daskreech> :-)
[23:02] <Daskreech> Not sure why kubuntu-desktop isn't installing all this stuff itself
[23:02] <BarkingFish> Well thank you for your help, genii-around and Daskreech - it's taken bloody ages, I feel like I should be paying you for this.
[23:02] <BarkingFish> sorry for the language, btw
[23:02] <caesar_> genii-around: it's downloading and installing drivers.. just going extra slow because im on 3G tether. but i'm pretty sure thats what's left
[23:02] <caesar_> 40%
[23:03] <genii-around> caesar_: OK. I'll hang around here at work a little longer to see how it goes... but I'm going for a smoke now, back in a few minutes
[23:03] <caesar_> k
[23:03] <BarkingFish> you realise you guys have been helping me for approaching 4 hours? :o
[23:03] <caesar_> smoking is bad.. i just quite after 15 years
[23:03] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: I've helped people over the course of two weeks before
[23:04] <Daskreech> caesar_: Yay!!
[23:04] <BarkingFish> caesar_: tell me about it; I've had cancer of the throat twice and I'm still smoking.
[23:04]  * Daskreech hugs caesar_
[23:04] <caesar_> ;)
[23:04] <BarkingFish> It'll get me one day
[23:04] <BarkingFish> and the faster, the better.
[23:04] <caesar_> BarkingFish: I used snus to help me get off it
[23:04] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: Yeah both my uncles are dying of smoking. One is probably going to suffocate as the cancer cells close down his throat before the end of the year
[23:04] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: he said the same thing as you :)
[23:05] <Daskreech> Missing a tongue now but so it goes
[23:05] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: well smoking killed both my parents, i didn't want to be alive without them, so I figured it'd take me too...
[23:05] <caesar_> you dont have children?
[23:05] <BarkingFish> that was then, I wish I could quit but I've tried so much it's doing my head in.
[23:05] <BarkingFish> caesar_: no
[23:06] <caesar_> BarkingFish: get yourself some snus
[23:06] <BarkingFish> lets take this to the offtopic
[23:06] <caesar_> after you quite for about 2 weeks.. just the smell of a cigg is distgusting
[23:11] <pepe__> hi there ! i'm rediscovering kde with kubuntu (coming from gnome) and i'm very happy. Howerever, i have a small problem, with gnom, i was using Synapse + zeitgeist for searching quickly with 2 or 3 letters the documents for opening it. Do you know how can i do this with kde ? thanks a lot for your attention !
[23:11] <pepe__> (using synapse from ppa and zeitgest without ppa there is nothing for the documents)
[23:11] <pepe__> here a screenshot of synapse (a semantic launcher) http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/synapse
[23:12] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: Houston, we have liftoff.  KDE is up, although I have lots of red crosses all over the place from missing stuff, and not a lot installed :)
[23:12] <BarkingFish> And I want to get as much gnome off my machine as humanly possible, as quickly as possible
[23:13] <BarkingFish> i'm closing on irssi, back in a while from xchat.
[23:13] <BarkingFish> see ya, and thank you Daskreech and genii-around :)
[23:13] <BarkingFish> back in a bit
[23:14] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: did you install kubuntu-desktop ?
[23:14] <Daskreech> pepe__: Umm Well KDE has zeitgeist but I've never used it :(
[23:14] <Daskreech> You could jsut use synapse until nepomuk search is universal (and reliable)
[23:15] <JontheEchidna> not very many KDE applications at all have zeitgeist integration
[23:16] <pepe__> thanks Daskreech, i use it works fine for launching application, but not working for me for searching document
[23:16] <Daskreech> JontheEchidna: I know that
[23:17]  * genii-around sips coffee and keeps an eye out for caesar_
[23:17] <Daskreech> pepe__: In theory if you enable nepomuk in krunner (the alt+F2 application) you should get searches for files
[23:17] <JontheEchidna> oh, ok. It's just that saying "KDE has Zeitgeist" would seem to imply some grand-er integration than is currently there
[23:17] <Daskreech> No it's just what I said
[23:17] <Daskreech> KDE has zeitgeist
[23:17] <Daskreech> kinda like KDE has a recipe managment application
[23:18] <Daskreech> doesn't mean it's anything grand. Just that it exists
[23:18] <BarkingFish> yeehah!
[23:18] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: did you install kubuntu-desktop ?
[23:18] <BarkingFish> it's alive, master....
[23:18] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: i'm doing that now, another broken dep hidden in the system
[23:18] <pepe__> great Daskreech, it works very nice (alt+F2) this what i was searching
[23:18] <BarkingFish> ksysguardd
[23:18] <Daskreech> pepe__: Hooray :)
[23:18] <JontheEchidna> Well, zeitgeist is something separate from KDE entirely, in which context "having zeitgeist" would mean having integration with the already existing tool
[23:19] <JontheEchidna> as opposed to having a recipe management system, which is a self-contained application
[23:19] <Daskreech> I guess if you come from KDE land :)
[23:19] <JontheEchidna> but, no biggie. :)
[23:19] <JontheEchidna> just didn't want any misconceptions
[23:19] <Daskreech> fair enough
[23:19] <Daskreech> as long as pepe__ is happy
[23:20] <Daskreech> pepe__: as a side benefit you can use alt+F2 as a calculator
[23:20] <pepe__> yes very happy now
[23:20] <pepe__> ;)
[23:20] <Daskreech> pepe__: try alt+F2 -> 2^4=
[23:21] <Daskreech> Or 45 lb in kg
[23:21] <Daskreech> or 0 C in F
[23:21] <pepe__> great
[23:22] <Daskreech> Yep so far the two things it doesn't do that I would like is weather in <place> and define:word
[23:22] <pepe__> really great
[23:23] <Daskreech> ah you can do spelling though
[23:24] <Daskreech> spell defnie
[23:24] <Daskreech> hmm wonder what it would take to get a definition in there :-/
[23:24] <Daskreech> There is a dictionary application in KDE
[23:25]  * Daskreech prods JontheEchidna. Who's maintainer for the Weather  wallpaper?
[23:26] <pepe__> what is the name of this alt + F2 application ?
[23:26] <JontheEchidna> Daskreech: lol, I've not touched that in a while. It's safe to say it's unmaintained
[23:26] <Daskreech> pepe__: krunner
[23:26] <pepe__> ok thks, really great app
[23:27] <Daskreech> JontheEchidna: have you looked at the initial blog to see if you hit your objectives? :)
[23:27] <Daskreech> pepe__: Yep it's nice
[23:28] <pepe__> i will add it in the french doc of kubuntu (http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/lanceur_de_logiciel )
[23:28] <Daskreech> \o/
[23:29] <JontheEchidna> Daskreech: haha, just looked. Honestly I don't remember at all, lol
[23:29] <JontheEchidna> 3 years... it's been a long time
[23:29] <Daskreech> I know. It's been a good run though.
[23:30] <Daskreech> really glad you tackled it
[23:37] <pepe__> doc updated
[23:38] <Daskreech> Thanks pepe__
[23:43] <BarkingFish> thank heavens for that.
[23:44] <BarkingFish> I'm still an awful lot of stuff missing, but I have about 80% of KDE back, live and I'm now going to de-gnome it. genii-around - could you post that purekde link again please?


[01:00] <itnet7> Hey there, Anyone around for the meeting?
[01:01] <n3gbz> me
[01:01] <itnet7> Hey there n3gbz !
[01:01] <n3gbz> Hi, are you back home?
[01:02] <itnet7> Let's see if a couple of more show up before we start one....
[01:02] <itnet7> Yes, we're back home now
[01:02] <itnet7> How have you been?
[01:02] <n3gbz> still struggling with family issues in PA; otherwise pretty good
[01:03] <n3gbz> How about you?
[01:03] <itnet7> ah, Sorry to hear that, was hoping things had improved
[01:03] <itnet7> Not bad at all!
[01:04] <itnet7> Well anyways... I was going to bring this up at the meeting, but I know that most people will read the backlog
[01:04] <n3gbz> I chatted with Steve Conklin on Ubuntu-hams; he is going to try to put a session on ubuntu-hams
[01:05] <itnet7> Let me see if I can get some people in...
[01:05] <itnet7> hey there MichelleQ !
[01:05] <n3gbz> Hi Michelle
[01:18] <maxolasersquad_h> I'm around too.
[01:19] <itnet7> Hey there maxolasersquad_h !
[01:19] <maxolasersquad_h> Howdy
[01:19] <itnet7> Well I was just going to bring up an idead about something we can get this time to commemorate this UDS for everyone
[01:20] <n3gbz> legal?
[01:24] <mhall119> itnet7: totally forgot, sorry
[01:24] <itnet7> n3gbz: `of course legal
[01:24] <itnet7> no prob mhall119
[01:24] <itnet7> I was just going to bring up pathtags
[01:25] <mhall119> que est?
[01:25] <itnet7> they are quarter sized coins
[01:25] <itnet7> that are used for trading to others and tracking
[01:26] <itnet7> http://www.pathtags.com
[01:26] <maxh> Sounds a bit sinister.
[01:26] <n3gbz> first time I heard of them
[01:26] <mhall119> itnet7: is that like the shuttle coin you have to Mark?
[01:26] <itnet7> You can design your own
[01:27] <itnet7> mhall119: kind of....
[01:27] <itnet7> if you wanted to make one like I gave mark, it costs around 12k to mint
[01:27] <mhall119> what's plan B
[01:27] <itnet7> and they are 20-25 dollars a piece
[01:27] <maxh> Wait, that’s US dollars?
[01:28] <itnet7> these you can design them and get 100 for about 100 dollars
[01:28] <mhall119> now you're talking my price-range
[01:28] <mhall119> we'll probably need more than 100 if we're giving them out at UDS
[01:28] <itnet7> Well we'd still need close to 500 of them for the sow
[01:28] <MichelleQ> hey itnet7, n3gbz :-)
[01:28] <itnet7> i mean for uds
[01:28] <itnet7> Hey there MichelleQ
[01:28] <n3gbz> hey
[01:29] <MichelleQ> what are we commemorating UDS with?
[01:29] <itnet7> http://www.pathtags.com/
[01:29] <mhall119> itnet7: I assume these will be plastic and screen-printed, not pressed metal
[01:29] <itnet7> no, they are pressed metal
[01:29] <itnet7> very good quality too
[01:29] <MichelleQ> interesting
[01:30] <mhall119> itnet7: cool
[01:30] <MichelleQ> we could actually set up a series of geocaches *at* UDS...
[01:30] <itnet7> MichelleQ: I was thinking that ti could be cool to find a vendor could/would sponsor some prizes
[01:31] <itnet7> and hide a couple of caches, with coupons to redeem them for the prizes
[01:31] <mhall119> atlantic.net sponsored t-shirts last time didn't they?
[01:31] <itnet7> mhall119: Yup
[01:32] <itnet7> The cool thing about that pathtags also is that you can have them create a custom backing with a vanity code for logging
[01:32] <MichelleQ> Let me know if I can help with anything, itnet7
[01:32] <itnet7> and whenever you order refills they'll donate money to that Charity
[01:33] <mhall119> itnet7: I may have an idea on a prize, let me get back to you
[01:33] <itnet7> MichelleQ: no problem
[01:33] <itnet7> mhall119: Sweet!
[01:33] <itnet7> Any Ideas you guys have would be Awesome!
[01:36] <itnet7> I am going to see if I can get them to give me a good deal on like 600 of them, and see if they can design a custom back
[01:36] <mhall119> let us know what they quote you
[01:38] <itnet7> I am trying to think about the Artwork now
[01:38] <itnet7> I designed my own tag
[01:38] <itnet7> and it came out pretty good
[01:38] <itnet7> here is a link for it... Not sure if it will let you see it
[01:39] <itnet7> http://www.pathtags.com/community/publicpathtagprofile.php?id=18368
[01:39] <itnet7> does it let you see it?
[01:40] <mhall119> yup
[01:40] <mhall119> does that say "Blunder Cats"?
[01:40] <itnet7> the pinkish/orangeish part is copper
[01:40]  * MichelleQ is glad it wasn't just me.
[01:41] <itnet7> I know, unfortunately that's the letter that represents capital P
[01:41] <itnet7> in that open source font
[01:41] <mhall119> "ubuntu" is an open source font ;)
[01:41] <itnet7> I guess I should've modfied it
[01:41] <itnet7> Well that's the cool thing
[01:42] <itnet7> to log the pathtags the code length is 7 characters so we can either use UDS2011 or UBUNTU1 or something
[01:42] <mhall119> I think it would be a cool give-away
[01:43] <itnet7> Any Ideas for a layout?
[01:43] <mhall119> UDS1110 or UDS1204 I'd say
[01:43] <itnet7> I wish I knew what the "P" was
[01:43] <itnet7> Oh, sweet
[01:43] <itnet7> didn't think of UDS1204
[01:43] <itnet7> Nice!!!
[01:44] <MichelleQ> I vote 1204
[01:44] <itnet7> me too
[01:44] <itnet7> :-)
[01:45] <itnet7> Puma, Python, Panther
[01:46] <n3gbz> uds-p
[01:47] <mhall119> Puma or Panther would be too many cats
[01:47] <mhall119> we already had a Lynx and Ocelot
[01:49] <MichelleQ> Pangolin
[01:49] <mhall119> or Peregrine
[01:49] <itnet7> Penguin
[01:49] <itnet7> :-P
[01:49] <mhall119> heh
[01:49] <MichelleQ> Platypus?
[01:49] <mhall119> Persistent Penguin, I like it
[01:50] <itnet7> Very cool...
[01:50] <n3gbz> Possum (my hillbilly past is showing)
[01:50] <MichelleQ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gM5TjSOQ48
[01:50] <mhall119> at any rate, I say we get a quote on those pathtags and see if we think we can raise the money
[01:51] <itnet7> Well I will try and contact the place tomorrow to find out how much they want and what the can get done... they paint each of them by hand
[01:51] <itnet7> so it will take close to a month before we get them
[01:51] <mhall119> by hand?
[01:52] <itnet7> Well they use needles I've heard that hold paint but a human applies the paint
[01:52] <itnet7> there are some links on their page that describes the whole process
[01:53] <maxh> Hehe, UDS 1204 sounds like a course code.
[01:53] <itnet7> I can't believe how awesome they are once you see the actual coins
[01:53] <itnet7> maxh: :-)
[01:53] <maxh> itnet7: UDS 1204 could be a college class.
[01:53] <itnet7> maxh: True, If it were, I'd take it! :-)
[01:53] <maxh> Wait, how did I misread a smiley as a question mark?
[01:54] <itnet7> lol
[02:00] <itnet7> I will definitely let everyone know once I find out something soon
[12:13] <tiemonster> test
[12:15] <maxh> B-


[17:03] <cub> Hi zequence, any meeting today in #ubuntu-meeting ? =)
[17:07] <cub> I know there hasn't been any for a long time, but perhaps it could be useful from time to time now with the upcoming LTS
[17:23] <zequence> cub: Not much point, when no one is here
[17:23] <cub> If we booked it people might show up?
[17:24] <zequence> cub: This cycle, I'm not sure anyone but me is developing
[17:24] <zequence> NOt much point in having a meeting between 1-3 people
[17:24] <zequence> Everyone knows what we need to do
[17:24] <cub> I'm not much of a developer, but would help out where and if I could
[17:24] <cub> hmm I don't know what needs to be done though
[17:25] <zequence> There's not much that needs to be done. A lot more that could be done
[17:25] <cub> on another note, alpha 2 is coming up. Do we test a lot before it's released...or when it's released?
[17:25] <zequence> We only do betas
[17:25] <cub> aha
[17:26] <zequence> testing can be done at any time though
[17:26] <cub> yeah
[17:27] <zequence> cub: If you'd like to do something useful, you could check if our live session is fixed with the latest commit to ubuntustudio-defaults
[17:27] <cub> the latest iso is from the 18th
[17:27] <zequence> It hasn't been uploaded yet
[17:28] <zequence> TheDrums gave a hint on how to test it a couple of days ago, on this channel
[17:28] <zequence> IF you want to have a look at the source, get it with: bzr branch lp:ubuntustudio-default-settings
[17:28] <cub> ah, I'll take a look. Going to put my daughter to sleep now. :)
[17:30] <zequence> Too see what changes were made with the last commit, do: bzr diff -r 242
[17:30] <zequence> the last commit is 243
[18:42] <TheDrums> (because scrollback is hard.) So if the file name is /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/10-ubuntustudio.conf, just echo the contents you see on bzr into it before first starting lightdm.  To do that, start booting the iso, when you see the little icon at the bottom hit shift, then hit F6 to bring up the boot command line.  After you get that, add 'text' to it and you're good to go.  If you need more than that, I suppose I can take the ...
[18:42] <TheDrums> ... latest ISO and drop the unreleased default settings package in.
[18:44] <TheDrums> In case you folks didn't see, Xubuntu is hoping to get xfce4-panel/xfce4-indicator-plugin working with the gtk3 indicator stack, so far everything is working nicely in a PPA.  Also, some new applications are being added to the seed, menulibre, lightdm, and perhaps mugshot, not sure if you wanted to look at or test those.
[18:55] <zequence> I think I will try to see to that the Ubuntu Studio desktop will be more or less exactly derived from Xubuntu's this cycle, minus some applications that we don't want preinstalled
[18:56] <zequence> and other obvious details such as theming
[19:29] <TheDrums> I know you're in the xubuntu channels, but I think I could try and help keep studio in sync, but I personally don't quite have a need for it.
[19:30] <TheDrums> Think it's more of a bug in darkice with opus notkeeping up.
[19:30] <TheDrums> Though could try a low latency kernel.
[19:43] <TheDrums> Delt in #xubuntu pointed out you didn't have the "Additional Drivers" desktop file, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/1060543 hopefully software-properties will pick it up, but if not ubuntustudio-default-settings could pick it up from xubuntu-default-settings.
[20:20] <zequence> TheDrums: -lowlatency is in most respects equal to -generic, so there should be no difference.
[20:21] <zequence> This cycle I'll be trying to merge its code with master, so that Canonical maintains it. The diff between the two kernels will be minimal
[20:21] <zequence> It is minimal already, however we have a small patch in it, which can be replaced with a kernel config
[20:22] <zequence> ..which is why it would have been hard to merge it with the ubuntu kernel


[20:41]  * Pici waits for the first person to ask when nethack will be added to Ubuntu
[20:41] <ikonia> ?
[20:42] <Pici> ikonia: new nethack release
[20:42] <ikonia> ah
[20:42] <k1l> !info nethack-common
[20:42] <Pici> prior release was 12 years ago
[22:05] <bazhang> need a bot more that gives in instructions in 32pt comic sans
[22:05] <bazhang> perhaps then they would read
[22:24] <k1l> kicked him. some clients then drop the paste. told him in pm
 Bali  https://www.dropbox.com/s/ghp9h6dkjll6l0x/Ubuntu%20Linux%20Toolbox.pdf?dl=0
[22:25] <bazhang> thats pirated unless otherwise indicated
[22:25] <k1l> did someone tell him already?
[22:25] <bazhang> 20 bucks on amazon at last check
[22:52] <ikonia> is moneydust posting priate book links ?
[22:52] <genii> That seems out of character
[22:53] <ikonia> I've spoken to him about this sort of thing (not specifically pirate matrial) before
[22:53] <bazhang> the ubuntu toolbox is not free
[22:53] <bazhang> that pdf^