[06:32] <nooberiffic> So. On a lark I installed Ubuntu Touch on my Nexus 7. Now, though it seems to be working, I can't figure out anything to actually do with it and can't seem to find any manuals. Any advice?
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu-touch has an intro howto use it the first time
[07:13] <dholbach> good morning
[07:14] <lotuspsychje> morning
[08:02] <Nirmik_Kale_RnD> eu na?
[08:02] <Nirmik_Kale_RnD> 81,82 ghetlela ahe
[08:02] <Nirmik_Kale_RnD> sorry
[08:02] <Nirmik_Kale_RnD> wrong channel
[09:53] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Underdog Day! :-D
[11:14] <nandersson> Hi, is there some place where I can buy Ubuntu-tablets here in Europe?
[11:15] <nandersson> none on Amazon?
[11:17] <beuno> nandersson, there are none in the market at the moment
[11:17] <nandersson> beuno, ah, a pity :)
[13:31] <mardy> what is the latest stable image? #12?
[14:51] <dobey> mardy: on mako? i think so
[14:59] <mardy> dobey: thanks
[15:32] <jcbjoe> im going to give ubuntu-touch a go again
[15:51] <dobey> jcbjoe: are you using multirom or you just flashing between android and ubuntu as the only system on the phone?
[15:52] <jcbjoe> ubuntu will be the only system on the phone
[15:53] <jcbjoe> ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09 < -- this command
[15:55] <jcbjoe> i smell coffee
[15:55] <jcbjoe> dobey: the actualy handsets with the finished models won't be out till like 2015 right ?
[15:56] <dobey> jcbjoe: right
[15:56] <jcbjoe> Q1 ?
[15:56] <dobey> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/12/bq-ubuntu-phone-launches-in-europe-this-february
[15:57] <jcbjoe> but of course Europe!
[15:58] <jcbjoe> everything is in europe!
[16:00] <jcbjoe> dobey: this is r12 build or if im saying it right .. it feels snappy also scopes looks way diffrent from r10 and r11
[16:02] <dobey> eh?
[16:02] <dobey> oh, the new scope management ui is in rtm now
[16:03] <jcbjoe> the last time i was on ubuntu-touch in the about section it said r10 .. it says r12 now .. it feels very snappy/fast .. the scopes is diffrent and it feels very smooth just the whole thing
[16:03] <dobey> the scopes themselves should be the same
[16:03] <dobey> what changed is the ui for managing which scopes you have favorited and such
[16:04] <jcbjoe> oh yea i can uncheck or check a start next to it
[16:06] <jcbjoe> i got to read up on how to use scopes
[16:07] <mardy> jdstrand: ping
[16:14] <jdstrand> mardy: hey
[16:14] <mardy> jdstrand: hi! I think I'm ready to test the plugin confinement branch, but I need the plugins to actually be confined :-)
[16:15] <mardy> jdstrand: do you know when you'll be able to work on the apparmor side of the issue?
[16:17] <jdstrand> mardy: not today, it will have to be after the holiday, but I can advise you on how to
[16:18] <jdstrand> mardy: create a click that ships it, so that there is a label. don't mind that crt fails, just make sure the click is otherwise setup correctly
[16:18] <mardy> jdstrand: well' I won't have time until after the holidays either, but if you think you'll be busy even after the holidays, then maybe you could send me an email with the infos
[16:18] <jdstrand> mardy: then try running it. look for denials in /var/log/syslog
[16:18] <jdstrand> mardy: then adjust /var/lib/apparmor/profiles/click_your_click_profile
[16:19] <jdstrand> running "sudo apparmor_parser -r /var/lib/apparmor/profiles/click_your_click_profile' after each time you change it
[16:19] <jdstrand> mardy: eventually you'll have a set of rules that we can add to a policy group
[16:20] <jdstrand> (and you can add those to the bug)
[16:20] <mardy> jdstrand: wait... AFAIK, it will have to be s/adjust/create/
[16:20] <jdstrand> I won't be able to spend a ton of time on it, cause I've got a lot of snappy stuff to do, so it would be helpful if you iterated and thought about the rules to make sure they were sane
[16:20] <mardy> jdstrand: or are profiles already created even for account plugins?
[16:21] <jdstrand> mardy: I'm saying just treat it like an app for the moment and you'll see all the denials as you try to use it
[16:23] <mardy> jdstrand: OK, so I should also adjust the test so that we call aa_change_profile on an existing app profile
[16:23] <jdstrand> do you have an example click already?
[16:25] <mardy> jdstrand: reminders-app could be one
[16:25] <jdstrand> let me look at it
[16:25] <mardy> jdstrand: it comes with the evernote plugin
[16:33] <jdstrand> mardy: ok
[16:33] <jdstrand> mardy: this is the reminders manifest:
[16:34] <jdstrand> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9571128/
[16:34] <jdstrand> mardy: notice how "evernote-account-plugin" doesn't specify "apparmor" in its list of hooks?
[16:36] <mardy> jdstrand: yep
[16:37] <mardy> jdstrand: do you think I can add it there?
[16:37] <jdstrand> mardy: I know you can :)
[16:37] <mardy> jdstrand: cool
[16:37] <jdstrand> mardy: just do "apparmor": "evernote-account-plugin.apparmor" (or whatever)
[16:38] <jdstrand> mardy: the question then becomes how much do you want to start with
[16:38] <jdstrand> for the first pass, use:
[16:38] <jdstrand> {
[16:38] <jdstrand>   "template": "unconfined",
[16:38] <jdstrand>   "policy_groups": [],
[16:38] <jdstrand> "policy_version": 1.2
[16:38] <jdstrand> }
[16:39] <mardy> jdstrand: ok
[16:39] <jdstrand> mardy: that will give it the label you are looking for, but should allow everything through
[16:39] <mardy> jdstrand: ah, and another easy :-) question: if aa_change_profile() fails, I guess I should exit the process, right?
[16:40] <mardy> jdstrand: it would fail, if I specify an unexisting profile, right?
[16:41] <jdstrand> mardy: once you are satisfied that is working, you might change the template to "ubuntu-push-helper" since it is more minimal that "ubuntu-sdk" and it might give you a better idea of the denial and what should be in the policy group
[16:42] <jdstrand> aa_change_profile() should fail, yes, but I'm going to point you at tyhicks for that question
[16:42] <jdstrand> tyhicks: can you advise mardy on aa_change_profile() and perhaps if he should use aa_change_onexec() instead?
[16:42] <tyhicks> sure
[16:43] <tyhicks> mardy: correct, those calls will fail if the profile doesn't exist
[16:43] <jdstrand> mardy: (re ubuntu-push-helper-- do note there are explicit denials in there, so be sure to check the policy to make sure it will do what you want
[16:44] <tyhicks> mardy: if you care about detecting that specific condition, -1 will be returned and errno will be set to ENOENT
[16:45] <tyhicks> mardy: re aa_change_profile() vs aa_change_onexec(), I prefer to use aa_change_onexec()
[16:45] <tyhicks> mardy: I like it a little better because you can call it in advance, do other things, and then you don't change into the new profile until the call to exec()
[16:46] <tyhicks> mardy: if you use aa_change_profile(), it should be called exactly before the call to exec()
[16:46] <tyhicks> mardy: otherwise, the profile that you're changing to will need to allow all of the things you do between the aa_change_profile() and the exec() since you've already changed into the new profile
[17:09] <mardy> tyhicks: I have one unconfined process which spawns several child processes via QProcess
[17:09] <mardy> tyhicks: can I call aa_change_onexec() more than once, in that parent process?
[17:12] <mardy> tyhicks: or do I have to call aa_change_onexec() after fork()?
[17:14] <tyhicks> mardy: are they processes or threads?
[17:14] <tyhicks> (I assume processes from the name "QProcess" but I'd like to be sure)
[17:15] <mardy> tyhicks: processes
[17:17] <tyhicks> mardy: you'd probably want to call aa_change_onexec() after fork()
[17:18] <tyhicks> mardy: that way you don't have to worry about your parent process calling into a library that does who-knows-what and may end up spawning a process that's unexpectedly confined
[17:19] <tyhicks> mardy: I'd recommend something like this: fork() -> aa_change_onexec() -> do other process initialization stuff -> exec()
[17:22] <mardy> tyhicks: OK, thanks
[19:08] <dobey> whee splits
[19:26] <Zelenka> Hi :)


[00:00] <superm1> /home/mythtv is  created by the mythtv-common package
[00:00] <superm1> spirits-sight, you are better off installing from scratch yes
[00:00] <Cuco3> i deleted it manually
[00:00] <superm1> well that's the cause of your problem :)
[00:00] <Cuco3> should I recreate it?
[00:00] <superm1> go make it again, and then script will run fine
[00:00] <Cuco3> thank you gonna try it out now
[00:00] <superm1> spirits-sight, more stuff is preconfigured for you, and you dont have to deal with pulseaudio which can cause problems sometimes
[00:01] <spirits-sight> ok superm1 when I did this then installed ubuntu desktop it now shows the myth menu on my gnome with panels at top and bottom ??
[00:02] <superm1> spirits-sight, that's a bug with compiz i think
[00:02] <superm1> i dont know, we dont really "support" running it in gnome, but for "the most part" it works
[00:02] <spirits-sight> also when I want to shut down it says enter passcode as its a policy to ask when other user log in
[00:02] <superm1> another gnome specific bug
[00:03] <Cuco3> you're the man, suprm1 !
[00:03] <Cuco3> it's gone!
[00:03] <superm1> Cuco3, dont go mucking around like that in the future :)
[00:03] <Cuco3> yeah :-/
[00:04] <Cuco3> :::stupidstupidstupid:::
[00:04] <Cuco3> i was just desperate to get mythtv working and I was screwin around
[00:04] <ToeBee> hmm I'm curious if anyone else has seen bug 462432
[00:04] <Cuco3> how great a program is it?
[00:05] <ToeBee> oh right. no bot. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythmusic/+bug/462432
[00:06] <Cuco3> Does MySQL remain on my computer if I remove MythTV?
[00:06] <Cuco3> cuz I'm hoping to get that off, too. so I can start a fresh installation of mythtv
[00:07] <spirits-sight> can u recommend a cheap USB TV that supports CC and able to handle composite (three / two wire connection or would allow a coax to composite converter
[00:08] <spirits-sight> or for the USA that is
[01:15] <rictec> anyone here?
[01:16] <rictec> can someone tell me in karmic how do i check for vdpau on xine,mplayer and mythtv?
[02:13] <Cuco3> Does anyone know if you uninstall MythTV Frontend+Backened that MySQL also gets removed? I'm hoping yes, just need a quick answer. Thank you.
[03:11] <darthanubis> what would cause all the frontends to break at once, while the backend is totally fine?
[03:12] <darthanubis> one frontend claims not to even notice that the backend is running, another sees the backend but when it tries to play any video the frontend disappears but you can still hear the audio?
[03:27] <darthanubis> The frontend that sees the backend still plays the videos, but when it does, the whole frontend goes invisible. If I hit esc it stops, then I hit enter, and the frontend reappears.
[03:27] <darthanubis> reinstalling the frontend does not help, and the backends database is not corrupted
[03:28] <darthanubis> two instances of mythtvfrontend.re that are zombied
[03:36] <hads> Cuco3: Depends how you do it. Of course you can just remove mysql.
[03:41] <Cuco3> thanks hads. I have a couple of mysql packages installed. I'm wondering which one is the database.
[03:42] <Cuco3> I'm wondering if it's mysql-common
[03:42] <hads> Cuco3: mysql-server
[03:42] <Cuco3> ahh ok. yeah, that one's not listed here as installed, perfect!
[03:43] <Cuco3> ty for that info, hads. :)
[03:43] <hads> NP
[05:43] <darthanubis> the frontend is only broken in gnome
[05:46] <darthanubis> even with compiz off I get a black window
[06:00] <foxbuntu> darthanubis, learn MythTV
[06:04] <darthanubis> X Error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) 8
[06:04] <darthanubis> This is the issue
[06:06] <foxbuntu> darthanubis, learn X
[06:28] <hads> haha
[08:26] <hipitihop> I did have mythfrontend installed on a 9.04 desktop just playing to see if it could talk to another real backend but never used, however I have just done an upgrade to karmic and the machine has rebooted looking like a frontend with xfce etc... how can I remove xfce etc and have a standard karmic ubuntu desktop
[08:59] <Raspberry> ok .. so I just dist-upgrade to 9.10 from 9.04 and X is fux0r'd
[08:59] <Raspberry> heh
[08:59] <Raspberry> lucy, you have some splain' to do
[09:00] <Raspberry> Xorg process just runs at 100% of the cpu indefinitely
[09:01] <Raspberry> I'm thinking of deleting the X.org config and re-running the X dpkg-reconfigure
[09:01] <Raspberry> I didn't have to do that between 8.10 and 9.04
[09:02] <Raspberry> most of the other services work (testing MythTV shortly via MythTV Player) but X seems to be borked
[09:05] <Raspberry> MythTV Backend works
[09:06] <mtrelins> can i follow http://www.mythbuntu.org/Upgrading to upgrade to 0.22 and not upgrade 9.04 to 9.10
[09:06] <mtrelins> ?
[09:06] <hads> Hi mtrelins
[09:07] <mtrelins> hi hads
[09:07] <mtrelins> i can just autoremove it if it screws up yeah?
[09:07] <mtrelins> and remove the repo, apt-get update, apt-get install mythtv... etc
[09:07] <mtrelins> to go back to 0.21
[09:07] <mtrelins> ?
[09:08] <hads> Sure, you can remove it and start again, though keep in mind that the database will be updated by the upgrade.
[09:08] <mtrelins> but doesn't it back it up?
[09:08] <hads> So you will need to keep a backup of the database around.
[09:08] <mtrelins> i can dump it
[09:08] <mtrelins> it's just mythconverg, right?
[09:08] <hads> I believe it does automatically but I would do it manually to be sure.
[09:08] <hads> Yes
[09:08] <mtrelins> 2) Backup your database with the following command (it will prompt for the password from step 1)
[09:08] <mtrelins> mysqldump -u mythtv -p mythconverg > mythtvbackup.sql
[09:08] <hads> Yeah
[09:09] <hads> Then if you need to go back to 0.21 (you shouldn't) you can just restore the db.
[09:09] <mtrelins> so if i have the backup, 0.22 epic fails, i can just reimport the mythtvbackup.sql to mythconverg
[09:09] <hads> Correct
[09:09] <mtrelins> and apt-get install mythtv again (The 0.21 version)
[09:09] <mtrelins> can a 0.21 frontend talk to a 0.22 server
[09:09] <mtrelins> ?
[09:09] <hads> Nope
[09:09] <mtrelins> dang
[09:09] <mtrelins> ok
[09:10] <hads> Myth has a protocol version which has to match.
[09:10] <mtrelins> do you run 0.22?
[09:10] <hads> Yes, on 9.10
[09:10] <mtrelins> is playback better on live tv?
[09:10] <hads> I upgraded from 9.04, and 8.10, 8.04 etc before that.
[09:10] <hads> I haven't had a problem with playback on either.
[09:10] <mtrelins> somehow upgrading ubuntu using dist-upgrade sits like a windows me -> windows vista upgrade
[09:10] <mtrelins> lol
[09:11] <hads> Na, it works fine.
[09:11] <mtrelins> i guess i had a bad taste in my mouth from earlier ubuntu
[09:11] <mtrelins> like 5.04
[09:11] <hads> I recently reinstalled a machine that had been upgraded since about 6.06 or something
[09:11] <hads> No issues
[09:12] <mtrelins> do you know anything about frame tearing fixes?
[09:12] <mtrelins> i eliminated frame tear on the backend
[09:12] <mtrelins> but it happens on the frontend
[09:12] <hads> Throw hardware at it? :)
[09:12] <mtrelins> ok, i'm only doing 720x480
[09:12] <mtrelins> 5mbit
[09:12] <mtrelins> just regular satellite
[09:12] <hads> I haven't had a problem with tearing since I upgraded to newish hardware.
[09:13] <mtrelins> amd x2 64 3ghz
[09:13] <mtrelins> would i really need faster proc for 720x480
[09:13] <mtrelins> 100mbit switch
[09:13] <hads> Should be heaps, nvidia graphics?
[09:13] <mtrelins> no :(
[09:13] <mtrelins> ati :(
[09:13] <mtrelins> hd 4000 or something
[09:13] <hads> Ah, that's possible it then.
[09:14] <hads> THough I know nothing about ATI.
[09:15] <mtrelins> ATI Radeon HD 4200
[09:15] <mtrelins> 2gb ram
[09:15] <mtrelins> sata
[09:15] <mtrelins> here's the thing
[09:16] <mtrelins> playing 1280x720 video in mplayer through mythvideo is flawless
[09:16] <mtrelins> using -vo gl
[09:16] <mtrelins> however
[09:16] <mtrelins> enabling GL sync for tv playback = death
[09:16] <Raspberry> is there some X reconfig I can run from the console?
[09:16] <mtrelins> frontend freezes
[09:16] <mtrelins> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[09:16] <hads> X shouldn't need much config these days.
[09:17] <Raspberry> well it shows a bunch of machine languagee
[09:17] <hads> mtrelins: I'm not sure sorry, I've not had to debug that type of issue so don't know a lot about it.
[09:19] <mtrelins> is there a better changelog from 0.21 to 0.22 fixes?
[09:19] <mtrelins> i'm reading the wiki and there's only a handful of stuff
[09:19] <hads> Not that I know of. It would be pretty long if it was details.
[09:20] <Raspberry> how do I use the service utility?
[09:21] <Raspberry> apparently /etc/init.d/ isn't recommended anymore?
[09:21] <hads> service something restart
[09:21] <Raspberry> the issue I have is that my mythtv frontend user isn't running since the 9.04 to 9.10 upgrade
[09:21] <Raspberry> it doesn't autostart
[09:21] <hads> What doesn't autostart?
[09:22] <Raspberry> the mythfrontend user
[09:22] <Raspberry> isn't auto starting
[09:22] <hads> I don't follow. You mean auto login?
[09:22] <Raspberry> yes
[09:22] <hads> Okay, you can configure that with mythbuntu-control-centre
[09:23] <Raspberry> hads -- well my issue is that X doesn't start properly since the upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10
[09:23] <Raspberry> hads -- I'm not trying to be annoying :)
[09:23] <mtrelins> anyone here use mythgame?
[09:25] <Raspberry> mtrelins: I've run mythgame, but it's never felt very complete
[09:25] <mtrelins> just wondering if it's best to do 32bit os for that
[09:25] <mtrelins> or 64 bit os
[09:25] <mtrelins> a lot of other emulators don't want to compile in 64bit
[09:26] <mtrelins> xmess gives crappy performance for snes / nes
[09:26] <Raspberry> mtrelins: unless you're running over 4gb of ram (and you need to) there's no HUGE advantage to 64bit
[09:26] <mtrelins> do you think there's a disadvantage in compatibility ?
[09:26] <mtrelins> the processor is x86_64
[09:26] <mtrelins> so i could run 32bit ubuntu
[09:26] <mtrelins> and compile 32 bit emulators right?
[09:26] <Raspberry> i run 64bit
[09:27] <mtrelins> i currently get errors like "popa not supported on 64 bit"
[09:27] <Raspberry> everything is pretty much good to go
[09:27] <mtrelins> when i try to compile
[09:27] <Raspberry> but you'll find a few things that won't work
[09:27] <mtrelins> what emu do you use for NES?
[09:27] <Raspberry> zsnes
[09:27] <mtrelins> zsnes works for plain old nes?
[09:27] <Raspberry> no
[09:27] <mtrelins> oh
[09:27] <mtrelins> regular NES
[09:27] <Raspberry> I use femu
[09:27] <mtrelins> femu?
[09:27] <Raspberry> or rocknes
[09:28] <mtrelins> rocknes works in 64bit?
[09:28] <mtrelins> can you provide a d/l link?
[09:28] <Raspberry> anything that doesn't work native 64bit
[09:28] <Raspberry>  I use a 32bit emulated enviornment
[09:28] <mtrelins> how do you do that?
[09:28] <mtrelins> linux32 before a command?
[09:29] <Raspberry> mtrelins: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=rocknes
[09:29] <mtrelins> har har
[09:29] <Raspberry> well seriously :)
[09:29] <Raspberry> it's the first link
[09:29] <mtrelins> rocknes 5.04 is .exe for windows?
[09:30] <Raspberry> uh...
[09:30] <Raspberry> there are other downloads
[09:31] <mtrelins> not to be thick, but i'm not seeing it at http://rocknes.kinox.org/
[09:32] <Raspberry> i see
[09:32] <Raspberry> looks like they've quit support other OSes
[09:32] <Raspberry> use this:
[09:32] <Raspberry> http://www.emulator-zone.com/doc.php/nes/
[09:34] <mtrelins> how do you emulate a 32 bit?
[09:35] <luke_> I get: mythtv is using all inputs but there are no active recordings
[09:35] <luke_> I restarted but same problem
[09:37] <Haffe> Hi guys. Have any of you tried using mythtv with the apple front row remote?
[09:38] <Raspberry> mtrelins: how to setup ia32 chroot ubuntu
[09:39] <Raspberry> mtrelins: http://tinyurl.com/yfcge46
[09:41] <mtrelins> you can toss me let me google that links all day
[09:41] <mtrelins> however
[09:41] <mtrelins> the first few hits in there are just blue prints
[09:41] <mtrelins> with what should happen
[09:41] <mtrelins> not how to do it
[09:42] <hads> Raspberry: Be nice and helpful.
[09:43] <luke_> anyone got any ideas?
[09:43] <hads> !logs
[09:44] <luke_> where can i put them?
[09:44] <luke_> ahhh ok, read topic :)
[09:45] <hads> "MythTV logs are stored in /var/log/mythtv/   You can use mythbuntu-log-grabber from the Applications menu to automatically post the most relevant logs to our pastebin." is what that was meant to tell you.
[09:47] <luke_> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/m158c93f2
[09:47] <luke_> thanks for any help
[09:48] <hads> Nothing intersting there.
[09:49] <luke_> damn
[09:49] <hads> Well, except the "ERROR when trying to delete file"
[09:49] <hads> Did you actually try and start watching TV then? THe logs don't show it.
[09:50] <luke_> I think I did... ill do it again to make sure
[09:50] <Raspberry> hads: be nice
[09:51] <luke_> if I remove log files will it create new ones?
[09:52] <hads> luke_: Yes.
[09:52] <hads> Raspberry: Oh, a new nick huh. Same old attitude.
[09:52] <Raspberry> hads: no, same nick for the last 8 years :P
[09:53] <Raspberry> hads: I'm just giving you a hard time :D
[09:54] <hads> Okay, thought you were someone else.
[09:54] <Raspberry> nope :)
[09:54] <hads> But I was serious about the be nice, lmgtfy isn't that helpful.
[10:01] <luke_> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/m7f065f2c
[10:01] <luke_> thats all i get when i try watch tv, no backend log was created.
[10:03] <hads> `sudo service mythtv-backend restart`
[10:03] <hads> That will create the log file.
[10:06] <luke_> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/m75237f7e
[10:06] <luke_> added backend after service restart
[10:07] <hads> Yes now try and watch TV
[10:08] <luke_> ok brb
[10:10] <luke_> yea its working again? but I got no idea what just happend...
[10:11] <luke_> thanks by the way, you got the wife off my back :)
[10:11] <hads> Perhaps the backend wasn't running before.
[10:11] <hads> No problem.
[10:12] <luke_> I thought a full restart of the machine would have done it? mythtv does not start when I turn on my machine which is something i need to sort out
[10:13] <luke_> I'm thinking mythbuntu might be a better option than doing a full 9.10 and putting mythtv on top of it, I just liked having a full desktop for surfing internet etc
[10:13] <mtrelins> ok FYI about the frame tearing
[10:13] <mtrelins> i just updated the ati driver
[10:13] <mtrelins> apparently there's a new catalyst driver
[10:13] <mtrelins> came out 7 days ago
[10:13] <mtrelins> it helps a lot
[10:14] <hads> luke_: Either way should work.
[10:14] <mtrelins> anyone know which deinterlacer looks best at 720x480?
[10:14] <mtrelins> bob2x is out of the question
[10:14] <hads> mtrelins: Cool, thought it would be ATI that was the issue.
[10:14] <mtrelins> yeah it's not perfect
[10:15] <mtrelins> but it's better
[10:15] <mtrelins> so that says to me it's an ATI issue
[10:15] <mtrelins> hopefully a year from now it'll be fixed :-D
[10:15] <hads> If you wanted an instant fix then an nvidia card would probably do that.
[10:15] <luke_> how can I rescan artwork for my mythvideo movies? I have some that have the wrong artwork for some reason and hitting 'w' does not update them
[10:16] <hads> m for menu and then reset the metadata
[10:16] <mtrelins> hads: is nvidia really that much better?  do you know of a card that's < 100$ and has hdmi out
[10:16] <hads> AFAIK yes it is that much better.
[10:16] <luke_> hads, thanks again, is there a way to get them to pull the images down or do you have to do them 1 by 1?
[10:17] <hads> Look into jamu.py
[10:18] <hads> mtrelins: I don't know of card costs as I don't know where you are etc. I'm sure whatever country you are in has a price comparison website or something though.
[10:18] <mtrelins> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/BFG+-+NVIDIA+GeForce+210+512MB+DDR2+PCI+Express+Graphics+Card/9543461.p?id=1218121950209&skuId=9543461
[10:18] <mtrelins> looks like hdmi
[10:19] <mtrelins> what's this VDPAU thing?
[10:19] <hads> Check the mythtv wiki, should be on there.
[10:20] <mtrelins> can you recommend a good deinterlacer for 720x480
[10:20] <hads> Not sure
[10:28] <luke_> hads, i hit 'm' but cannot find any option to reset metadata
[11:18] <MythbuntuGuest46> !help
[11:20] <MythbuntuGuest46> hi there, i got a problem when i want to scan for channels, i cant use the "scan for channels" button in my backend setup. anyone here who can help me?
[12:11] <jeffjeffdejeff> hi all.  anyone tell me how i play a dvd on my backend from a frontend running on a different machine?
[13:15] <Pwen> hi all. does anyone use pulseaudio with mythbuntu?
[13:28] <heron> hi guys
[13:29] <heron> I updated my old (8.04 i belive) mythbuntu to 9.10 yesterday
[13:29] <heron> after the db update the filenames of the recordings seem to be messed up
[13:30] <heron> for example
[13:30] <heron> 1026_20091101001500.mpg exists
[13:30] <heron> but it is looking for 1026_20091101132803.mpg
[13:30] <heron> if I symbol link the recording plays OK
[13:30] <heron> any ideas?
[13:43] <mohanohi> hi..
[13:44] <mohanohi> i have frontech tv tuner card .. is it supported?
[13:44] <mohanohi> !help
[13:49] <tmkt> check the website
[14:44] <cumulus007> Hi, I'm an Ubuntu translator on Launchpad and I'm interested in translating parts of Mythbuntu. However, I can't find the correct package to translate on Launchpad. All packages I've tried so far aren't configured for translation
[14:45] <cumulus007> For instance, the Karmic package for the Control Centre cannot be translated
[14:59] <cumulus007> anyone?
[15:10] <heron> hmm everyone seems to be idleing :)
[15:30] <cumulus007> !help
[15:34] <heron> !help
[15:34] <heron> ok no bot here ?
[15:35] <superm1> cumulus007, i think we need help getting it into a translatable state
[15:35] <superm1> i'm not sure that all of the code is translator friendly atm
[15:35] <cumulus007> superm1, hmm, that's a pity
[15:36] <superm1> cumulus007, do you know anyone who can help with that?
[15:37] <cumulus007> I'm afraid not
[15:38] <cumulus007> I don't know a lot about programming, that's why I prefer translating :)
[15:38] <darthanubis> two things that solved my frontend issues 1.cairo breaks X with nvidia, and opengl sync with an intel onboard speeds up the video.
[15:39] <superm1> cumulus007, the translatable strings should live in mythbuntu-common actually
[15:39] <superm1> can you see if that portion is available in the launchpad translation stuff?
[15:40] <cumulus007> I'll have a look
[15:41] <cumulus007> mythbuntu-common is not set up for translation either
[15:41] <cumulus007> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/mythbuntu-common
[16:04] <olejl> I'm running Mythbuntu 9.10 with the fixes branch. If I try to change e.g. channel visibility through MythWeb, my changes are not saved. Does anyone know what could be the problem?
[16:05] <superm1> you might need to restart mythbackend for them to take effect
[16:06] <olejl> ok will try that
[16:10] <superm1> (sudo restart mythtv-backend) should do it
[16:12] <olejl> superm1: no it didn't help
[16:12] <superm1> and you've restarted the frontend too?
[16:16] <olejl> I uncheck on of the visible checkboxes, and click save. When the page is reloaded, the checkbox is checked again. If I check the database, visible is still 1.
[16:16] <olejl> If I manually set the visible flag in the database to 0, and refresh the webpage, it is displaying the correct info. Without restarting the FE or BE
[16:24] <superm1> oh hm
[16:24] <superm1> then that certainly sounds like some type of bug :)
[16:26] <olejl> I was hoping someone would test it on their system to see if it a bug or only my setup
[16:38] <darther> hi, i need help with ir homebrew serial receiver, i have config file for my remote, but im not sure about lirc processes running while im not selected any receiver in mythbuntu control centre, because "irw" command dont work. thank for reply
[18:07] <jeffjeffdejeff> hi all.  anyone tell me how i play a dvd on my backend from a frontend running on a different machine?
[18:39] <sebrock> hey, will the new backend be ported to 9.04?
[18:52] <superm1> it's on auto builds
[18:52] <superm1> http://mythbuntu.org/auto-builds
[18:52] <superm1> load that on 9.04 and you'll get the new version
[19:08] <darther> how to get work homebrew serial receiver in 9.10? thank
[19:10] <Pinnacle70e> Hello. doe anyone know how I can make my pinnacle usb 70e device work on karmic?It seems like there isn't drivers support.Regards
[19:21] <heron> has anyone got flgrx running in 9.10?
[19:22] <heron> from my google foo it seems that the problem was solved in the beta but I still do not see it in the hardware manager :(
[19:23] <superm1> you probably have to have an up to date apt cache for it to be offered by hardware manager
[19:23] <sebrock> superm1, I mean into repo. Already have 9.04 backend but the new frontend 9.10 will not work with it
[19:23] <superm1> sebrock, Yeah and that's still on auto builds
[19:24] <superm1> sebrock, you can grab the newer 0.22 backend for 9.04 on the auto builds
[19:24] <superm1> heron, so if you run update manager's update cycle and then reboot, hopefully hardware drivers should offer you fglrx
[19:25] <heron> hmm I will try after this nights movie ;)
[19:25] <heron> but it should be in rigth?
[19:25] <superm1> it is available yes
[19:26] <sebrock> superm1, I have to add some repo then, it's not in the standard Ubuntu 9.03 repo right?
[19:26] <superm1> and of course your hardware has to still support it.  older AMD/ATI graphics hardware doesnt
[19:26] <heron> thanks, then I will get it working ;)
[19:26] <superm1> sebrock, grab that deb and it will do it all for ya...
[19:26] <superm1> But yes.
[19:26] <heron> hmm my old 8.04 did
[19:27] <heron> else I finally have a reason to go and by a nice nvidia card instead of the crappy on board ati/amd chip
[19:27] <superm1> within the last two years they have stopped supporting some hardware
[19:27] <superm1> so it's quite possible
[19:28] <superm1> that unsupported hardware generally works pretty well w/ the open source driver though
[19:28] <heron> hmm, I had to switch off opengl for playback for now
[19:29] <heron> if it really is not supported anymore I will have to see if something eith the configuration of the open driver is wring :/
[19:29] <heron> wrong
[19:30] <superm1> what's the card?
[19:33] <heron> radeon X1200
[19:33] <heron> at least that is what xorg thinks ;)
[19:33] <heron> will have to look at the manual for specifics
[19:34] <heron> looking at /var/log/Xorg alot of stuff goes wrong with the open source driver too
[19:34] <superm1> don't think it works for fglrx
[19:34] <superm1> http://osdir.com/ml/debian-bugs-dist/2009-10/msg01947.html
[19:34] <heron> so I thought I rather get fglrx working again
[19:34] <heron> damn
[19:34] <Zinn> heron: Please watch your language.
[19:35] <superm1> it's a good excuse to get some nvidia hardware that supports vdpau though
[19:35] <superm1> you'll be greatful you did after you see the results
[19:35] <heron> yes
[19:35] <heron> ^^ I hope so
[19:35] <sebrock> superm1, I grab the deb from 9.10? How can I automate this to include all myth-backend related stuff?
[19:36] <superm1> sebrock, so you grab that deb that's linked there, install it on 9.04 and it adds the repos / keys/ configures
[19:36] <superm1> then you open up update manager
[19:36] <superm1> and it will offer you upgrades to the myth stuff
[19:36] <heron> great!
[19:36] <heron> ... and perhaps I will give the dualhead another shot too
[19:37] <heron> I got a old 10" screen somewhere that would look awsome in my rack ;)
[19:37] <heron> anyway, thanks a lot for the info
[20:05] <sebrock> superm1, my backend runs on a headless server
[20:05] <sebrock> maybe it would be best to do a full dist-upgrade
[20:50] <darther> Hi, can i get some tips for hombrew serial receiver set up? throught mythbuntu gui, or terminal. thanks
[21:26] <mtrelins> how do i not make the guide show up when entering livetv?
[21:35] <hads> Not make the guide show up?
[21:36] <tgm4883> frontend setting
[21:37] <tgm4883> hads, when you enter live tv, you can either go directly to live tv, or have the guide pop up automatically
[21:37] <tgm4883> I would guess that is in general frontend settings
[21:38] <hads> Yeah, that setting is off by default so I assumed one would know how to turn it off if they turned it on :)
[21:38] <tgm4883> is it off by default in Mythbuntu though?
[21:39] <hads> Should be
[21:39] <tgm4883> I think it is
[21:39] <tgm4883> i'll check where it is after I burn this iso to flash drive
[21:39] <hads> Unless you guys specifically altered the setting from myth defaults. But I've never noticed it on my installs.
[21:41] <tgm4883> hads, there are a few things we did (storage groups in 0.22) but I don't think the guide was one of them
[21:41] <hads> Yeah, that would be an odd one to change.
[21:43] <tgm4883> mtrelins, in 0.22, in the frontend, the setting is in Utilities/Setup > Setup > TV Settings > Program Guide
[21:43] <tgm4883> it's on page 1 of that
[21:44] <tgm4883> ok, time to do a fresh install of karmic
[21:44] <hads> Seems he already got help in #mythtv-users
[21:47] <Raspberry> hmm
[21:47] <Raspberry> so I upgraded to 9.10 from 9.04
[21:47] <Raspberry> and now my screen just flickers constantly during boot
[21:48] <Raspberry> during the runtime / service loading it just flickers as it loads... then goes to a black screen when it finishes -- I've reinstalled X, deleted my xorg.conf... reinstall X... it's a standard onboard intel
[21:50] <OpenMedia> Anyone here have issue adjusting the GUI size for overscan?
[21:51] <OpenMedia> If I set the GUI width to less than the screen width then the XFCE menu bar is always visible, even though I haven't adjusted the GUI height.
[22:48] <abarbaccia> if i want to apply a patch to the mythtv source and repackage, any suggestions or guides that would be useful?
[22:48] <abarbaccia> want to test out CoreAVC on linux performance
[22:49] <tgm4883> abarbaccia, apt-get source > add patch > push to personal PPA?
[22:49] <abarbaccia> tgm4883: how do i do the last part?
[22:49] <abarbaccia> i've done 1 and 2...
[22:50] <abarbaccia> well, how do i build the package
[22:50] <tgm4883> https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA
[22:50] <tgm4883> abarbaccia, ^^
[22:51] <tgm4883> abarbaccia, debuild -S -sa
[22:53] <darthanubis> mythvideo can see the files, open them and attempts to play them
[22:53] <abarbaccia> tgm4883: i might not even have to build it on my machine if the patch applies correctly and i just upload to the ppa
[22:53] <darthanubis> The videos are frozen
[22:53] <darthanubis> the only way to get any kind of motion is with fast forward or to keep hitting the play button
[22:53] <darthanubis> and even then no sound
[22:53] <tgm4883> darthanubis, odd
[22:53] <tgm4883> darthanubis, logs?
[22:53] <darthanubis> everything else is perfect
[22:54] <abarbaccia> tgm4883: nvmd. reading documentation
[22:54] <darthanubis> let me go back to that machine
[22:54] <darthanubis> thx
[22:54] <abarbaccia> tgm4883: ill come back with a question after i break something...
[22:54] <tgm4883> abarbaccia, you would apt-get source packagename
[22:54] <tgm4883> then add the patch to the patches directory in debian/
[22:54] <tgm4883> then debuild -S -sa
[22:55] <tgm4883> then dput ppa package
[22:55] <tgm4883> but yea, read the docs cause that last part is a bit fuzzy
[22:56] <abarbaccia> tgm4883: so the patches in /debian/patches are .dpatch
[22:57] <tgm4883> abarbaccia, yea so you need to make the patch a dpatch
[22:57] <abarbaccia> ..?
[22:58] <abarbaccia> im getting packaging 101 here from tgm4883
[22:59] <abarbaccia> tgm4883: i found the ubuntu doc on updating packages
[22:59] <tgm4883> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete#dpatch
[23:03] <Tuv0k> tgm4883, http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f3669f5a7
[23:04] <Tuv0k> [pulse] working around probably broken pause functionality,
[23:04] <Tuv0k> [mpeg4 @ 0x7f1775c0aa80]Invalid and inefficient vfw-avi packed B frames detected
[23:06] <Tuv0k> tgm4883, besides the emails from the backend not being able to be sent to my local mail box because my local mailbox is not setup and leaving 4k messages unsent, those two lines, particularly pulseaudio not playing with me, seems to be the issue with mythvideo not playing my movies?
[23:08] <darthanubis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mplayer/+bug/421229
[23:09] <darthanubis> and since mythvideo is using mplayer, maybe this bug has everything to do with it, and I need to change the player from mplayer to vlc?
[23:10] <darthanubis> not sure what to do from the bug report
[23:12] <darthanubis> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1292926
[23:13] <darthanubis> I think I'm drilling it down
[23:15] <tgm4883> Tuv0k, odd
[23:15] <tgm4883> pulseaudio is bad news though
[23:22] <darthanubis> tuvok and I are one ;)
[23:22] <tgm4883> i see
[23:22] <darthanubis> trying to get this solved. No doubt I will. It is just disrupting family movie night
[23:26] <tgm4883> darthanubis, what type of files are they?
[23:27] <tgm4883> the video files that is?
[23:27] <darthanubis> all avis mostly
[23:27] <tgm4883> and which version of Mythtv is this, which version of Mythbuntu/Ubuntu
[23:27] <darthanubis> 9.10
[23:28] <darthanubis> everything is 9.10 in this house now:)
[23:28] <darthanubis> so mythtv .22
[23:28] <tgm4883> was this a Ubuntu + MythTV install, or a Mythbuntu install?
[23:28] <darthanubis> Ubuntu + MythTV install
[23:28] <tgm4883> ok
[23:28] <darthanubis> I always do it that way
[23:28] <tgm4883> that explains the pulseaudio breakage
[23:29] <darthanubis> :/ how so?
[23:29] <tgm4883> MythTV and pulseaudio are not friends
[23:29] <tgm4883> !pulse%
[23:29] <Zinn> Pulse Audio, aka kitten killer.  See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PulseAudio for more information.  Pulse Audio seems to cause problems with MythTV, so if you don't have any dependencies on it, it's recommended that you remove it.
[23:29] <darthanubis> aww
[23:30] <tgm4883> you could try using vlc
[23:30] <tgm4883> or xine
[23:30] <darthanubis> I will
[23:30] <tgm4883> this is an upgraded mythtv database?
[23:31] <darthanubis> do you have a link for how to switch default player or is it as simple as changine the mplayer line with vlc?
[23:31] <darthanubis> no, this is a fresh 9.10 install
[23:31] <tgm4883> this is a complete fresh install?
[23:31] <darthanubis> yes
[23:31] <tgm4883> bummer, this is going to be more work then ;)
[23:32] <tgm4883> sec
[23:32] <tgm4883> where are your videos stored?
[23:32] <tgm4883> what dir?
[23:32] <darthanubis> I mean I installed it from alpha 6 then just upgraded to final
[23:32] <darthanubis> in the default directory
[23:32] <tgm4883> /var/lib/mythtv/videos?
[23:32] <darthanubis> oh no wait
[23:32] <darthanubis> they are from a nfs share mounted in /home/anubis/videos
[23:33] <tgm4883> great
[23:33] <darthanubis> permissions are totally open
[23:33] <tgm4883> that should make things easier
[23:33] <darthanubis> great
[23:34] <tgm4883> so in the frontend, go to Utilities/Setup > Setup > Media Settings > Video Settings > General Settings
[23:34] <tgm4883> in the "Directories that hold videos" you need to put in /home/anubis/videos/
[23:35] <tgm4883> then hit next until you are back to the menu
[23:36] <tgm4883> Then you have two options for setting VLC/xine as the player to use
[23:36] <tgm4883> you can set it as the default player, or you can set it as the player for a certain filetype
[23:36] <tgm4883> which would you like to do?
[23:38] <tgm4883> darthanubis, you there?
[23:39] <darthanubis> one sec plz
[23:39] <tgm4883> ok
[23:41] <Ray1> Hello, I am trying to migrate from ATSC to QAM.  I had an air2pc card that is atsc only and replaced it with an HVR-950Q.  This seemed to be much easier to get working in 9.10, so I upgraded my backend.  The system is working for the most part.  I have a problem with my other tuner card, the FusionHDTV5 RT Lite.  This card works, but there are quality problems, there is occasional blocking in the video and the audio has digital noise almos
[23:41] <Ray1> I have not used the FusionHDTV5 RT Lite card with QAM before, only ATSC OTA.  I have done what I can to ensure it is getting a strong signal, the HVR-950Q works fine with the signal provided.
[23:45] <chuk> what happened to diskless in mythbuntu 9.10?
[23:47] <tgm4883> chuk, afaik, it's gone
[23:47] <tgm4883> well
[23:47] <chuk> oof, I can't imagine why
[23:47] <tgm4883> actually, I think there are ways to get it back
[23:47] <tgm4883> but the dev on that hasn't been around to comment on it
[23:48] <tgm4883> he's pretty busy
[23:48] <chuk> I'm sure there is, just wondering why it was dropped, that was one of the best features
[23:48] <chuk> all of my clients are diskless
[23:48] <tgm4883> chuk, not so much dropped, as not updated for 9.10 due to time constraints
[23:49] <chuk> I can't imagine it was a huge change to go to 9.10
[23:49] <chuk> but that's easy for me to say
[23:50] <tgm4883> chuk, unfortunatly I don't know, I'll try to ping the dev again
[23:51] <darthanubis> tgm4883, i'll try that now
[23:51] <tgm4883> darthanubis, how does mythtv know where your videos are?
[23:52] <tgm4883> since they are in a non-standard location?
[23:55] <Tuv0k> tgm4883, I told mythtv with the "directories that hold videos" setting
[23:55] <tgm4883> ah ok
[23:55] <Tuv0k> however I'm not finding the "set default player option" yet
[23:55] <tgm4883> thats in player settings
[23:56] <tgm4883> not general settins
[23:56] <tgm4883> you might also want to look at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VLC
[23:56] <Tuv0k> mplayer -fs -zoom -quiet -vo xv %s
[23:56] <Tuv0k> yeah, thats what is in there by default
[23:56] <Tuv0k> I should just be able to put in vlc
[23:57] <tgm4883> no
[23:57] <tgm4883> you will want something like
[23:57] <superm1> chuk, the problem is that the GUI wasn't rewritten for the new MCC
[23:57] <tgm4883> vlc file://%s vlc://quit
[23:58] <superm1> all of the backend code for it still works
[23:58] <tgm4883> fearless leader!


[11:54] <gnomefreak> i understand that but starting off as a pm is not normally a good idea
[11:54] <dstryr> gnomefreak, i tried that w32codecs, still wont play wma/mpg/wmv
[11:54] <Some-Person> without losing data
[11:54] <dstryr> should i get a new player or someshit?
[11:54] <bluefusion> Hi guys
[11:55] <anto9us> Some-Person, I don't understand what you're asking
[11:55] <Spliffster> PuMpErNiCkLe: GParted doesn't list unmounted partitions ... heh ?
[11:55] <gnomefreak> dstryr: what player are you using?
[11:55] <NoobieAtUbuntu> !tell dstryr about easyubuntu
[11:55] <dstryr> totem
[11:55] <bluefusion> How do I mount my hard drive so i can browse it? NTFS partition
[11:55] <gnomefreak> dstryr: try mplayer
[11:55] <iBalo> !mountwindows
[11:55] <ubotu> Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/diskmounter to make your windows or mac partitions mount automatically.  If you wish to set it up yourself by hand, read: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[11:55] <gnomefreak> i dont know much about any players i dont use them but i hear mplayer will play more files than totem
[11:55] <rpr812> I do not like dsl for several reasons, and I like ubuntu for several reasons, but I need an operating system that recognizes dual processors, like windows 2000 or xp.
[11:56] <Some-Person> !mountwindows
[11:56] <ubotu> Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/diskmounter to make your windows or mac partitions mount automatically.  If you wish to set it up yourself by hand, read: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[11:56] <ompaul> NoobieAtUbuntu, now do this >> df | grep hda << does it return something if so is the number 1, if not please say it returns nothing
[11:56] <bluefusion> ta
[11:56] <cge> rpr812: Try debian?
[11:56] <Some-Person> please help me!
[11:56] <gnomefreak> rpr812: what is the output of uname -r
[11:56] <NoobieAtUbuntu> ompaul, returns nothing
[11:56] <Some-Person> Can GParted make the partition changes in the zip file i'll send to anyone who can help me without losing data?
[11:57] <ompaul> NoobieAtUbuntu, do this and sit back >>sudo fdisk /dev/hda1<<
[11:57] <Yaksha> hey
[11:57] <rpr812> I have not yet learned to recompile, so I need a version like dsl that automatically uses smp.
[11:57] <NoobieAtUbuntu> ompaul, will that keep the existing file system >
[11:57] <NoobieAtUbuntu> ?
[11:57] <spec> How do I edit the right-click-on-desktop menu?
[11:57] <Yaksha> i just got ubuntu and i cant get into msn chats can someone help me?
[11:57] <NoobieAtUbuntu> ompaul, or will it wipe what is there ?
[11:57] <anto9us> Some-Person, don't repeat please. I think you need to rephrase your question, it makes little sense as far as I can tell
[11:57] <kenichi> gnomefreak: any idea?
[11:57] <gnomefreak> rpr812: go into synaptic and search for smp kernel there should be one in there iirc
[11:57] <ompaul> Some-Person, gparted does not deal with zip files
[11:58] <Yaksha> ?????
[11:58] <Some-Person> Can GParted make the partition changes i want to make without losing data?
[11:58] <oskude> gnomefreak, he allready has it, but it doesnt support his cpu
[11:58] <cge> Some-Person: Usually.
[11:58] <ompaul> NoobieAtUbuntu, sorry
[11:58] <Plouj> isn't there a ubuntu glx channel?
[11:58] <Some-Person> i'll send screenshots thru dcc to anyone who wants to help me
[11:58] <oskude> gnomefreak, he said...
[11:58] <Cyorxamp> cge, whats the exceptions?
[11:58] <gnomefreak> oskude: he just said he didnt learn to compile it
[11:58] <dstryr> how do you decompress tar.bz2
[11:58] <gnomefreak> thats why i asked for uname -r oputput
[11:59] <ompaul> NoobieAtUbuntu, what I want you to do it this, (no that would not have but you can do a lot of damage from there but the command as was would not)
[11:59] <gnomefreak> ubotu tell dstryr about tar
[11:59] <oskude> gnomefreak, before that...
[11:59] <dli> dstryr, tar jxvf foo.tar.bz2
[11:59] <NoobieAtUbuntu> ompaul, I'm running "badblocks" on /dev/hda1 atm
[11:59] <gnomefreak> oskude: i saw. but he has said alot of controdicting things
[11:59] <ompaul> NoobieAtUbuntu, >> sudo fsck -y /dev/hda1 << that will actually try to fix problems
[11:59] <cge> Cyorxamp: Usually as in no, but back up valuable things.
[11:59] <NoobieAtUbuntu> ok
[11:59] <ryan_ishere> hello
[11:59] <ryan_ishere> im having a bit of a problem
[12:00] <ryan_ishere> and i went to a tech support site
[12:00] <ryan_ishere> and now i want to shoot myself


[14:16] <jcastro> rick_h_, you in the mood for a subtle problem?
[15:57] <rick_h_> jcastro: hit me
[16:09] <jcastro> rick_h_, huh, seemed to be transient, was there a deploy today?
[16:09] <jcastro> this morning https://jujucharms.com/docs/authors-charm-store was 404ing
[16:09] <jcastro> but the equiv juju.ubuntu.com link of it worked
[16:10] <rick_h_> jcastro: there was a bug and we cowboyed a fix this morning
[16:10] <jcastro> ah ok
[16:10] <jcastro> hey also, at some point juju.u.com just goes away right?
[16:10] <rick_h_> git blew up at us
[16:11] <rick_h_> yes, working on that
[16:11] <jcastro> because another thing I noticed this morning was double references in google
[16:11] <jcastro> oh ok, so that will just work itself out then
[16:11] <rick_h_> yea
[16:11] <rick_h_> we tell google they're permanent redirects
[16:12] <jcastro> will I need to fix these? http://askubuntu.com/search?q=juju.ubuntu.com
[16:25] <rick_h_> jcastro: so any docs links should auto redirect, webops has an apache global docs redirect
[16:26] <rick_h_> jcastro: the web team setup a whole list of redirects so they should 'just work' for ever atm
[21:06] <lazyPower> not to be disruptive, but thought yinz would enjoy this: http://www.commitstrip.com/en/2015/02/page/2/
[21:07] <rick_h_> yinz?
[21:09] <lazyPower> Yinz is a second-person plural pronoun used mainly in Western Pennsylvania including Pittsburgh, but it is also found throughout the Appalachians. (See: Pittsburgh English.)
[21:10] <rick_h_> yea, funny one though
[21:10] <lazyPower> I'm trying to break my habbit of always saying "guys" and "gents" as its not very gender neutral. yinz fits that pretty well.
[21:10] <lazyPower> and segways into interesting conversation :)
[22:00] <huwshimi> Morning


[00:30] <davef> daftykins: you got diddledani's number?
[00:30] <daftykins> just email
[00:31] <davef> on telegram shows she was online 7:40pm my time
[00:33] <daftykins> there does indeed appear to be life!
[00:33] <davef> want me to ping her?
[00:33] <daftykins> probably just busy - was only a request for a basic website for a pal's new biz
[00:34] <daftykins> if you wouldn't mind, just a confirmation of receipt of said email would be good! i don't think there's any rush on
[00:35] <davef> sent
[00:36] <daftykins> ty sir!
[00:36] <daftykins> all well on your end? have you got a move date yet?
[00:37] <davef> all good. just got the confirmation from the rental company my file is good.. key day is May 30th so I guess I'll be moving in a day or two after that. I'm getting in contact with some moving companies to get quotes.
[00:39] <daftykins> \o/
[00:42] <davef> I'm happy to know I'm getting out of here
[00:43] <daftykins> i'll bet, noisy neighbours are no fun
[00:43] <davef> It's not the neighbours
[00:43] <davef> It's the landlord I can't stand
[00:43] <daftykins> ah
[00:45] <daftykins> i had a funny chat with those AWS guys my pal's biz has asked to consult and do some work, today
[00:46] <daftykins> they asked if i could run a VM in-house to transfer this database to AWS... so i asked what it ran and what system requirements it had, or whether AWS published a Xen compatible image
[00:47] <daftykins> they had no idea on any of those points xD
[00:47] <daftykins> i said umm i don't think we need a whole VM to so an SFTP transfer?
[00:47] <daftykins> *do
[00:59] <penguin42> but what do they mean by 'transfer this database to AWS' - has it got to land in one of the databases AWS maintains for you?
[01:00] <daftykins> proof of concept is solely a transfer to a bucket of theirs to start with, this is the MUMPS medical database that they will then be looking at trying to squeeze into Athena or some other jazz
[01:00] <daftykins> we have nothing AWS right now
[01:02] <penguin42> just make sure they get their AWS storage config right so that the entire planet doesn't read it
[01:02] <daftykins> :D
[01:02] <penguin42> rclone seems to be popular these days for pushing data into aws or elsewhere
[01:03] <daftykins> ah that might come in useful, thanks!
[01:04] <daftykins> truth be told we still don't know what format we're being sent, so i told 'em it's too early to design around unknowns
[01:07] <penguin42> nod
[01:08] <daftykins> they also haven't spoken to the users they're designing a platform for, so want to convert them into their idea of workflow rather than asking how they work right now
[01:08] <daftykins> i said umm guys maybe you should... speak to them?
[01:08] <penguin42> perfectly normal
[01:09] <daftykins> hah
[01:14] <penguin42> what I often see in stuff I have to use, is stuff that's been designed to make the life of the admins of the software happy rather than the end users; e.g. HR software that's optimised for the HR dept not the many more users who have to schedule a holiday etc
[01:20] <daftykins> hehe
[02:01] <davef> Oh sweet! Both the Jazz Festival and Just for Laughs is back on this year in Montreal! :D
[02:02] <daftykins> ooh
[02:02] <davef> Going to have to go to this.. https://montreal.hahaha.com/en/shows/british
[02:03] <davef> Last time I went to that show, it was Jimmy Carr hosting
[02:10] <daftykins> never been to any comedy stuff, i saw Dom Joly was over here the other day, but i didn't fancy a public venue
[02:14] <davef> seen a few comedians.. jimmy car, sarah millican, ken dodd, norman wizard, kevin 'bloody' wilson, craig charles to name a few
[02:14] <daftykins> ooh
[02:14] <daftykins> who was your fave?
[02:15] <davef> *I mean normal wisdom lol
[02:15] <davef> ken dodd was just fabulous
[02:15] <davef> but overall, jimmy carr
[02:16] <davef> although i got to meet kevin bloody wilson.. he told me to 'get f**ked' and signed my t-shirt lol.. "to dave, get f**ked, kev"
[02:16] <daftykins> hah
[02:16] <daftykins> not familiar with his work but know the name
[02:17] <davef> his music is rather rude
[09:16] <diddledani> ello daftykins .. sorry about the lack of response. Been struggling with insomnia the past couple of months where I've been reducing medications
[10:41] <davef> diddledani: you are alive!
[10:59] <diddledani> just about ;-p
[11:45] <davef> i take it you got my message then?
[11:49] <diddledani> yup. I was in bed, but I got it
[12:29] <davef> When Lidl launches an AWS competitor.. https://www.stackit.de/en
[12:44] <penguin42> I was confused, I couldn't see the Lidl link in that?
[12:44] <penguin42> oh I see
[12:45] <davef> Check the about us page.. "STACKIT is the digital brand of Schwarz IT and thus part of the IT organization of Europe’s largest retail group, which includes Lidl"
[12:45] <penguin42> it's part of the Schwarz group; and they also own Lidl and Kaufland (whoever they are)
[12:47] <penguin42> hmm, I'm also not seeing how to actually use it - I think it's a ring up and speak to a sales guy
[12:49] <davef> I think it's a B2B provider
[12:49] <zxmpi> if you have to ask you're not big enough :-)
[12:50] <penguin42> but I just wanted a bottle of milk, a block of cheap chocolate and a VM
[12:51] <zxmpi> and you'll leave with the milk, a scuba suit and welding gear just like every time you go there
[13:35] <penguin42> but no VM!
[13:36] <zxmpi> you didn't see it in middle aisle
[13:37] <penguin42> bah, someone must have got it first
[13:48] <zxmpi> you'd think a massive cloud would be obvious to spot
[14:30] <penguin42> it can be difficult to distinguish them in Manchester


[00:02] <wgrant> Is there ever going to be a way to get bugmail for one project to go to a different email address (say, my work one)? Only mailing lists seem to have that feature now...
[00:04] <wgrant> The same applies to lp-bzr mail.
[00:04] <wgrant> And probably all other Launchpad mail.
[00:49] <aleksr88> \exit
[00:49] <aleksr88> \exit
[00:49] <aleksr88> \quit
[02:14]  * Ursinha looks at beuno
[02:15] <Ursinha> "The whole thing looks inconsistent and needs a good beuno-bashing."
[02:15] <wgrant> Yes.
[02:15] <Ursinha> as seen on bug 319430
[02:15] <wgrant> I'm sure beuno can fix it all.
[02:16] <Ursinha> wgrant, what do you think about the new frontpage in edge?
[02:16] <Ursinha> my thought is that it improved a thousand %
[02:16] <wgrant> Yep.
[02:16] <wgrant> That's what I told him a day or two ago.
[02:17] <Ursinha> cool
[02:17] <wgrant> It's much much better.
[02:17]  * beuno pops in
[02:18] <Ursinha> yay
[02:18] <ScottK> The obviously findable link to starting a new project, etc. is good.
[02:18]  * Ursinha hugs beuno
[02:18] <wgrant> ScottK: Yes. It was impossible before.
[02:18] <beuno> ah, yes, we do need to fix the code home pages...
[02:18]  * ScottK knows - has tried.
[02:19] <beuno> Ursinha, :)
[02:19] <beuno> wgrant, it's going to be hard to classify that bug of yours  ;)
[02:19] <Ursinha> beuno, my boyfriend complained to me a week ago about how hard was to find stuff on that page
[02:19] <beuno> you've made Ursinha's job harder  ;)
[02:19] <wgrant> beuno: That's why I didn't do it myself.
[02:20] <Ursinha> hahaha
[02:20] <wgrant> beuno: I think +code-index is the one that *doesn't* need fixing.
[02:20] <beuno> Ursinha, tell him to become a beta tester  ;)
[02:20] <Ursinha> beuno, he refuses to use bazaar
[02:21] <beuno> Ursinha, use your charms!
[02:21] <Ursinha> so he says that while lp doesn't have git support, he won't use it
[02:21] <Ursinha> :)
[02:21] <mwhudson> one of the things about the application home pages is that most of the launchpad developers never look at them
[02:21] <wgrant> Impressive.
[02:21] <mwhudson> (i certainly don't)
[02:21] <wgrant> mwhudson: I don't mean the home pages, I mean the project pages.
[02:21] <beuno> wgrant, tell you what, I'll assign that bug to me, and mark it as invalid when I filed bugs for each individual page. Sound good?
[02:21] <mwhudson> oh right
[02:21] <wgrant> beuno: Sure.
[02:22] <mwhudson> the bugs one could use whacking with a stick, for sure
[02:23] <ScottK> BTW, the icon for mysql is missing off the favorites project list on edge, at least in Konqueror.
[02:24] <wgrant> ScottK: WFM
[02:24] <beuno> works here too
[02:24] <wgrant> (Firefox 3.1, that is)
[02:25] <xxploit_> question, im new to launchpad, I signed up and with threw all the steps for creating a personal ppa. And to test it I uploaded a package. My questions is what happens after successfully uploading the packages? Should I see them in my ppa or does it take some time. Basically I just wanted to compile the latest versions of software and put them on my personal ppa.
[02:25] <ScottK> Works for me in Firefox, not in Konqueror.
[02:26] <beuno> ScottK, that is *very* weird
[02:26] <mwhudson> xxploit_: it takes some time
[02:26] <beuno> ScottK, can you control + f5?
[02:26] <mwhudson> xxploit_: i think you should get some email as the various steps happen
[02:26] <mwhudson> (not sure though)
[02:26] <ScottK> What does that do, I'll do the Konqueror equivalent.
[02:26] <beuno> ScottK, force reload
[02:26] <mwhudson> reload ignoring browser cache
[02:27]  * wgrant doesn't like +requestmerge very much.
[02:28] <wgrant> (on a branch, that is, not a person)
[02:28] <ScottK> Still the same.
[02:28] <beuno> ScottK, and that's just the MySQL icon?
[02:28] <beuno> try loading: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/15320287/favicon.ico
[02:28] <ScottK> Yep.  The rest is fine.
[02:28] <wgrant> (by that I of course mean +register-merge)
[02:32] <ScottK> beuno: Works.
[02:32] <beuno> ScottK, and the home page now?
[02:33]  * ScottK tries
[02:33] <ScottK> Same
[02:33] <ScottK> i.e. not working
[02:36] <ScottK> beuno: All the rest are .png.  That's the only .ico file.
[02:46] <thumper> wgrant: how would you change it?
[02:47] <Ursinha> thumper, nice question
[02:47] <wgrant> thumper: AFAICT, nothing on Launchpad other than the target branch selector there refers to branches by their title, and that doesn't even give the URL. It asks me for keywords describing the type of review I'm performing, when I'm requesting a review, not performing one...
[02:48] <thumper> wgrant: ah, I noticed that too the other day
[02:48] <thumper> wgrant: how about I change it to use lp:foo ?
[02:48] <wgrant> The default for Target Branch, IMO, should be a linkified lp:<project>. The only problem with that is you'd have to clock on the button itself, not the text like you do now.
[02:48] <wgrant> s/clock/click/
[02:48] <thumper> wgrant: that is why it isn't linkified now
[02:49] <thumper> wgrant: the help text needs some work
[02:50] <wgrant> thumper: (o) Development focus (_lp:<project>_)?
[02:50] <thumper> what if it isn't the dev focus?
[02:51] <wgrant> I can't see the template, so I didn't know it would show anything else.
[02:51] <thumper> :)
[02:51] <wgrant> What else does it show? Series branches?
[02:51] <thumper> wgrant: it shows other branches you've targetted before
[02:52] <wgrant> thumper: Ah. Hmmm.
[02:55] <wgrant> Branch/+merges also lies. I presume it means that there are no open merge proposals in Launchpad.
[02:55] <wgrant> Because there are both closed merge proposals and other merges in the branch.
[02:55] <thumper> wgrant: branch +merges isn't a good page
[02:56] <wgrant> thumper: Right.
[03:01] <wgrant> Should branches really be visible outside code.launchpad.net? They have the Code tab selected regardless of the domain (which looks odd), but the second layer of tabs doesn't work highlight properly on non-code domains (because it's using +index rather than +code-index, I presume). It's a bit strange to click on a deselected tab and get to the same page but at a different URL and with the tab selected.
[03:01]  * rockstar reads backchat
[03:02] <wgrant> (and no, "you constructed the URL, so it's your problem" isn't a valid response, as nobody in their right mind clicks around Launchpad)
[03:03] <rockstar> wgrant, I think there's a bug for that.
[03:04] <wgrant> You also get the same issue if you access the wrong +index for a domain on any object, and although that shouldn't be possible you do have to really try.
[03:05] <wgrant> Do the different domains serve any purpose other than selecting the +index? The other views don't seem restricted to domains like they should be, and it would make for nicer URLs.
[03:12] <rockstar> wgrant, not that I know of.
[03:13] <spm> fwiw and pleading ignorance of history: some are used to select different banks of servers - helps avoid a single funnel, as it were, in the incoming-processing flow
[03:14] <spm> ie can lose the app server funnel, without clobbering codebrowse - so to speak
[03:14] <wgrant> Ahh.
[03:14] <spm> that may be happenstance vs design btw ;-)
[03:15] <rockstar> spm, good point
[03:15]  * rockstar thinks them LOSAs is so s-m-a-r-t
[03:16] <spm> rockstar: heh. hardly. experienced. been designing systems both less and far more complex than LP since the mid to late 90's. :-)
[03:16] <rockstar> wgrant, what would you like to see in the +merges page?  A table showing all the open reviews, like https://edge.launchpad.net/~rockstar/+requestedreviews
[03:17] <wgrant> rockstar: Sorry, something is making my laptop swap very heavily, so it'll take a while...
[03:18] <wgrant> But I can probably predict how many branches I can see on there, given that I'm not in ~launchpad.
[03:18] <rockstar> wgrant, you can't blame Launchpad for that one.
[03:19] <rockstar> wgrant, I work on all sorts of projects on Launchpad.  See my profile page.  :)
[03:20] <wgrant> rockstar: So I see. I'd forgotten about Entertainer.
[03:20] <wgrant> Something like that, yes.
[03:20] <wgrant> And not a blatantly incorrect assertion like it gives for projects with no open proposals now.
[03:20] <rockstar> wgrant, great.  It's pretty simple to comply with that request.
[03:21] <xxploit__> im having a problem when uploading files the launchpad for ppa. My connection gets reset and it brings down my net connection for a few seconds.I was only successfully upload the files once after many, many failed attempts and now its failling again, any help?
[03:23] <spm> xxploit__: ??? if your net connection (i assume you mean like adsl etc) is going down, I'd suggest you have cause and effect back-to-front.
[03:23] <wgrant> rockstar: Sounds good.
[03:24] <wgrant> rockstar: Another thing... I seem to be trapped in a merge proposal page. How do I get out?
[03:24] <rockstar> wgrant, where?  I'm interested in seeing this.
[03:24] <wgrant> I can get to various user pages and the target branch, but there is no breadcrumb for the source branch.
[03:25] <wgrant> On ~path/to/branch/+merge/X
[03:25] <xxploit__> spm: dsl...it only goes down when trying to upload files to launchpad...says connection reset by peer and then brings down my net connection for like 5-10 seconds after dput returns the connection error. But it does upload like the changes etc...it fails when uploading the 4mb source tgz archive
[03:25] <wgrant> xxploit__: That's a problem with your Internet connection, I'm afraid.
[03:26] <rockstar> wgrant, on the merge proposal index page itself, there should be a "Target branch: " link
[03:27] <wgrant> rockstar: I know, but I want the source branch.
[03:27] <xxploit__> wgrant: i dont think its my net..i mean im completely fine till trying to upload these files...I do notice that when uploading it's using basically more bandwidth than I have...is there a way to limit the uploads bandwidth when using dput?
[03:28] <spm> xxploit__: the simple test - try and upload large files elsewhere.
[03:28] <wgrant> rockstar: For example, if I'm at https://edge.launchpad.net/~rockstar/+requestedreviews and a click on the first review, I get to the merge proposal page. From there I can't actually look at the branch that's proposed for merging.
[03:30] <rockstar> wgrant, ah, good point.
[03:33]  * wgrant wishes there was a way to create accounts on staging.
[03:34] <ScottK> beuno
[03:34] <ScottK> Did you look at the .ico thing for mysql?
[03:35] <wgrant> Thankyou Launchpad for the ultra-descriptive greying-out of my review line, and the similarly descriptive non-semantic CSS class: 'greylink'
[03:35] <beuno> ScottK, not really. I assumed konqueror doesn't like .ico files
[03:36] <ScottK> beuno: So how does it get fixed?
[03:37] <beuno> ScottK, report a bug to konqueror?  MySQL chose to use that type of file, which is valid, so we can't really do anything about it
[03:37] <wgrant> rockstar: Is there documentation merge proposals somewhere? The review stuff is rather confusing.
[03:38] <rockstar> wgrant, I'm all ears to what is confusing you.
[03:38] <ScottK> beuno: So supporting Konqueror isn't a Launchpad goal then?
[03:38] <beuno> ok, it's waaay past my bed time
[03:38] <beuno> ScottK, sure it is. Just not it's bugs.
[03:38] <rockstar> wgrant, also, beuno and I are hosting a UDW session all on this.
[03:38] <beuno> yeah!  Friday!
[03:39] <wgrant> rockstar: Why do I have a [Review] link rather than an edit icon if I haven't reviewed yet? Why, when a proposal has a review request for both myself and one of my teams, do I sometimes get [Review] links for both and sometimes only one? Why is one of the reviewers sometimes grey?
[03:39]  * beuno goes to bed
[03:39] <beuno> night everyone
[03:40] <wgrant> Night beuno.
[03:40] <Ursinha> wgrant, why do you need accounts on staging?
[03:40] <Ursinha> besides yours, I mean
[03:40] <rockstar> wgrant, the person who could tell you why that "phantom" review link is there just went to bed.
[03:41] <rockstar> wgrant, Ursinha is your staging account pimp.
[03:42] <wgrant> Ursinha: I want to see how the merge proposal stuff works, and it's hard to do that with only one account - I presume it behaves quite differently depending on whether you have write access to the target branch or not.
[03:42] <rockstar> wgrant, the grey review link is only ever you.
[03:43] <rockstar> I think the idea is that you can always vote of you want, but that doesn't mean anyone would care.
[03:43] <wgrant> rockstar: Ah, I see...
[03:44] <wgrant> I still don't see why I don't get a review link for a team I'm a member of if I'm there as well. Is that so I can't vote twice?
[03:46] <nxvl> hi!
[03:46] <nxvl> i'm reviewing a merge proposal, but i have no idea how to merge that
[03:46] <nxvl> i change the status to Approved
[03:46] <wgrant> You have to merge it manually using bzr, I believe.
[03:46] <nxvl> is something else i need to do to merge the new branch into the project one?
[03:46] <Ursinha> rockstar, ^
[03:47] <nxvl> as in bzr merge lp:proposed_branch ?
[03:47] <rockstar> nxvl, word up
[03:47] <nxvl> that will take the changes, but push that as if i did those
[03:47]  * rockstar is trying to shop for a car while griefing in #launchpad
[03:49] <nxvl> so there is no way of doing that using the interface?
[03:49] <Ursinha> wgrant, the problems with having an account created on staging are: it will vanish in hours, since staging is constantly being replicated from production and you won't get the emails it generates
[03:50]  * Ursinha needs to rest
[03:50] <rockstar> nxvl, yeah, the review is strictly for peer review (surprise), not the actual merging.
[03:51] <nxvl> rockstar: ok, thank you
[03:51] <rockstar> nxvl, I REALLY don't want any automated merging for my branches.  That would be scary.
[03:51] <wgrant> Ursinha: I know of both of those issues, yes.
[03:51] <nxvl> rockstar: it should have a magic botton saying "merge it"
[03:51] <nxvl> heh
[03:51] <nxvl> ok
[03:52] <wgrant> rockstar: How does LP use PQM? Manually submitting branches after they're approved, rather than having it watch for Approved merge proposals?
[03:52] <wgrant> Ursinha: Ideally the staging registration page would have a 'yes, seriously send me the registration email' checkbox. Then all would be solved.
[03:52] <Ursinha> not all
[03:53] <Ursinha> you won't receive the other mails lp generates as well
[03:53] <rockstar> nxvl, that will be a possibility, although I think there are better way to do it.
[03:53] <rockstar> nxvl, PQM maybe.
[03:53] <wgrant> Ursinha: I know. But being able to create accounts is better than nothing.
[03:54] <wgrant> I guess all of this becomes a lot less import when we can have our own launchpad.dev.
[03:54] <rockstar> wgrant, this has been discussed, and is on our radar.
[03:54] <Ursinha> as rockstar said :)
[03:54] <wgrant> s/import/important/
[03:54] <spm> wgrant: that selective sending of emails would be a nightmare to manage. And the risks of flooding people if it goes wrong? Yuk.
[03:54] <wgrant> rockstar: OK, thanks.
[03:54] <wgrant> spm: Indeed, but I don't have to think that far.
[03:54] <spm> wgrant: :-)
[04:14] <rockstar> wgrant, PQM doesn't currently use PQM.  I'm going to be exposing some more functionality in the API to work with something like PQM.
[04:16] <thumper> rockstar: we didn't talk about that
[04:16] <thumper> rockstar: shall we now?
[04:16] <rockstar> thumper, I'm in a coffee shop right now.
[04:17] <rockstar> thumper, although if you want to do it in IRC, we can.
[04:17] <thumper> irc it is then
[04:19] <wgrant> rockstar: You mean PQM doesn't use merge proposals?
[04:19] <wgrant> I thought I saw merge proposals exposed in the API recently.
[04:19] <rockstar> wgrant, no.
[04:20] <rockstar> wgrant, they are read only, and still a bit lean on features.
[04:20] <wgrant> rockstar: That I knew, but I don't see how read-onlyness affects a merge bot.
[04:21] <rockstar> wgrant, well, it's more the "lean on features" that's limiting it.
[04:21] <rockstar> wgrant, also, PQM is crap.
[04:22] <wgrant> Heh.
[04:22] <wgrant> I've never dared to go near it.
[04:26] <wgrant> sinzui: Sorry about bug #319431; I presumed that was the real fix.
[04:26] <thumper> I have, and I bare the scars
[05:28] <MFen> i'm almost positive that last time i did a dput i did not have to do anything special for an intrepid build on my ppa to happen
[05:28] <MFen> yet this time it only built for hardy
[05:28] <MFen> wassupwiththat?
[05:28] <lifeless> you have to upload for each distro
[05:28] <lifeless> at the moment
[05:29] <MFen> is that a recent change?
[05:29] <MFen> i don't even know how.. last time i uploaded i only made one entry in .dput.cf and everything worked fine
[05:29] <lifeless> it's not a change
[05:30] <MFen> how do i do that, then?
[05:31] <lifeless> edit the target, build the source, upload
[05:33] <MFen> grep -r target == nothing. only thing i can see is my changelog had intrepid on the first line last time, now it has hardy
[05:33] <MFen> but i remember somebody telling me that didn't matter
[05:33] <lifeless> whoever told you that may not have been talking about ppas
[05:34] <wgrant> The changelog is what matters.
[05:35] <wgrant> Well, the field in the .changes file, but that's generated from the changelog.
[05:36] <MFen> right
[05:36] <MFen> so i need to 1) edit changelog to say "hardy", debuild -S, dput, then 2) edit changelog to say "intrepid", debuild -S, dput
[05:36] <MFen> or can i skip some of those steps
[05:37] <wgrant> You can, in most cases, copy the source and binaries from hardy to intrepid.
[05:37] <wgrant> But if you do upload twice, they need to have different version numbers.
[05:37] <MFen> oh right. i copied them last time
[05:38] <MFen> ah man. gotta put that in my releasing-guide
[05:39] <MFen> wgrant: thanks
[05:40] <wgrant> MFen: np
[07:23] <dholbach> hiya
[07:24] <dholbach> could it be that .diff.gz attachments are now unzipped when I download them?
[09:01] <oldman> Q: is there any markup supported on a launchpad project's details page?
[09:01] <oldman> e.g., bold = *text* etc.
[09:21] <BjornT> oldman: no, there isn't. the only thing we do is to linkify URLs and bug numbers
[09:21] <oldman> BjornT: thanks, thought as much
[09:22] <oldman> tis a shame as would be nice to bold text to match the existing *Maintainer*: x-team etc.
[10:29] <balor> Is it possible to create a private repo on launchpad?  i.e. I've got my code in a public repo, but I'd like to have my thesis writeup private until I finish the thesis.
[10:33] <dholbach> could it be that .diff.gz attachments are now unzipped when I download them?
[10:33] <wgrant> dholbach: Link?
[10:35] <dholbach> hum, I take it back
[10:35] <dholbach> the one in 319082 was fine
[10:35] <wgrant> There was a bug about that years ago.
[10:35] <LarstiQ> dholbach: that is a common netscape behaviour
[10:35] <dholbach> LarstiQ: I wasn't using netscape to download it but urllib
[10:35] <wgrant> And bug #173096 is a later reincarnation, but it was fixed.
[10:36] <jpds> balor: You can create a local private Bazaar repo, but to my knowledge there are no private ones on LP.
[10:36] <LarstiQ> dholbach: in that case, ho hum
[10:36] <wgrant> jpds: There are, actually, but I'm not sure they're for public use.
[10:36] <dholbach> ahhh!
[10:36] <balor> jpds: Thanks.  I use a local repo.  But wanted to push my thesis onto LP, I won't if I can't make it private.
[10:37] <jpds> wgrant: I know, which is why I didn't say it.
[10:37] <dholbach> it's the new ubuntu-dev-tools (grab-attachments)
[10:37] <jpds> dholbach: I didn't break anything, did I?
[10:37] <dholbach> jpds: no idea yet :)
[10:38] <LarstiQ> balor: I'm curious, what would you get out of lp in that case?
[10:38] <LarstiQ> balor: would you want to use bugs support?
[10:38] <LarstiQ> balor: or is it just a place to store one branch?
[10:38] <balor> LarstiQ: I'd get to keep all my stuff in one place.  Backup. and access to it from anywhere in the Universe.
[10:38] <balor> LarstiQ: And bugs would be great.
[10:39] <balor> LarstiQ: Basically I trust lp more than my Uni :-P
[10:39] <LarstiQ> balor: right, I use my own server for point 1 :)
[10:39] <dholbach> jpds: I guess    attachment.data.open()    gives something unzipped
[10:39] <oojah> Off site backups are extremely important for thesis work! :)
[10:39] <balor> oojah: yeah :)
[10:40] <LarstiQ> balor: I know there is a possibility to run your own Launchpad instance, but that is a bit too heavyweight for your usecase
[10:40] <balor> LarstiQ: I, essentially, don't want to run my own server.
[10:41] <balor> LarstiQ: But I'm moving towards that model.
[10:41]  * LarstiQ nods
[10:41] <jpds> dholbach: Maybe. I haven't tested it myself..
[10:41] <LarstiQ> balor: you _could_ keep mailing off bundles and use an email account for backup
[10:42] <balor> LarstiQ: I could.  It's just that I use lp for lots of other stuff.  So It'd be nice to have one place for everything.
[10:42]  * LarstiQ nods
[10:42] <balor> LarstiQ: But thanks for the good ideas.
[10:43] <balor> I'm very aware that I'm asking for Canonical resources to make my life easier, and that it's pretty unreasonable.
[10:46] <LarstiQ> I don't know what their stance is, and maybe it is possible to have something hidden like that (security bugs can be private at least), but imo the big problem is that one would want to keep launchpad.net for FLOSS projects
[10:46] <balor> yeah
[10:46] <LarstiQ> where hiding is a bad thing to do
[10:46] <LarstiQ> balor: I don't suppose writing your thesis in the open is an option?
[10:46] <balor> LarstiQ: Not really.
[11:10] <tseliot> hi all, I've just used the "also affects project button" in a bug report and I have selected the wrong project (it should have been gnome-desktop instead of libgnome). Any ideas as to how I can change it?
[11:11] <mrevell> tseliot: Mark it as invalid for that project.
[11:13] <tseliot> mrevell: ok, thanks, I thought there was another way.
[11:13] <mrevell> tseliot: Nah, that's the only way, really.
[11:14] <tseliot> ok, np
[11:16] <wgrant> mrevell: Can't one normally change the project, except in some circumstance that I forget but about which there is a bug?
[11:57] <mpt> wgrant, mrevell, yes you can, unless it's linked upstream
[11:58] <mpt> (linked to an external bug tracker, I mean)
[12:00] <wgrant> mpt: Ah, yes, that was it. The project, or the bugtask itself?
[12:01] <mpt> wgrant, I don't understand the question
[12:02] <mpt> oh, now I do
[12:02] <mpt> the bug itself.
[12:02] <mpt> If a bug is filed under one project you can change that to another project, unless (a) the bug is linked to an external bug tracker for that project, or (b) the project is a distribution and the package has been specified.
[12:04] <wgrant> mpt: I see...
[12:05] <wgrant> Is there a good reason for either of those cases?
[12:15] <mpt> wgrant, no, they're just bugs
[12:15] <mpt> both reported
[12:16] <wgrant> mpt: I guess if they're just UI difficulties they're going to be workaroundable some time today.
[12:16] <wgrant> (bugtargets are now settable through the API, finally)
[12:17] <mpt> Well, even if you use the API to change a bug's distribution while its package is set you might have fun
[12:23] <wgrant> mpt: Indeed, it doesn't like it much.
[12:41] <thekorn> I did not know that launchpad has 'private' branches,
[12:41] <thekorn> will this ever go public, or is this for internal use only?
[14:20] <jdstrand> hi! I'd like to be able to script approving and declining 'nominate for release' tasks (is that the right term?). I have some scripts that use the api, so I am not a total newbie (but still be gentle :), however perusing +apidoc, it is not clear how I can achieve this. Is it possible?
[14:35] <thekorn> jdstrand, last time I checked managing nominations with the API was not possible
[14:35] <thekorn> I think there is a bugreport about it
[14:36] <jdstrand> well, that would explain it :)
[14:36] <thekorn> bug 297458
[14:36] <jdstrand> thekorn: thanks :)
[15:25] <thekorn> intellectronica, thanks for adding task.transitionToTarget(), it works well in most cases,
[15:26] <thekorn> but sometimes I get 505 errors like OOPS-1117S130
[15:26] <intellectronica> thekorn: in what cases does it not work well
[15:27] <thekorn> intellectronica, http://paste.ubuntu.com/107795/
[15:27] <intellectronica> thekorn: bummer, that's a bug. it happens when you try to move something that is targeted to a milestone (because then the milestone isn't valid anymore). the milestone should get cleared when you change the product. i'll fix that pronto
[15:27] <intellectronica> thekorn: thanks for testing this!
[15:28] <thekorn> hmm, it also fails when I use the web ui
[15:28] <intellectronica> thekorn: really?!
[15:28] <intellectronica> i was sure that is being taken care of by the web ui already
[15:30] <intellectronica> thekorn: actually, it works fine for me through the web ui. the milestone gets cleared and you get a notification about it
[15:30] <thekorn> intellectronica, OOPS-1117S135 when I try do to the same with the web ui
[15:30] <thekorn> on staging
[15:31] <intellectronica> thekorn: oh, presumably you are trying to do that on a bug task that doesn't exist (though that should not oops either - you should get some kind of informative message)
[15:31] <intellectronica> in any case, that's a different bug
[15:33] <thekorn> ok
[15:35] <thekorn> intellectronica, one other thing with transitiontoTarget(): unlike transitiontoStatus, task.target is not updated immediately
[15:35] <thekorn> http://paste.ubuntu.com/107796/
[15:36] <thekorn> don't know if this is a bug or intended behaviour
[15:37] <intellectronica> thekorn: i think that requires some special handling in launchpadlib itself. let me check
[15:44] <intellectronica> thekorn: b.t.w i've just landed bug attachment deletion through the api, so with that (and with transitionToTarget fixed) I think we've got everything we need to start porting bug helper to use the API exclusively?
[15:45] <thekorn> intellectronica, wow, nice. yes this is correct
[15:45] <thekorn> verry cool
[15:46] <intellectronica> fantastic. let me know if you need help and how it's going
[15:47] <thekorn> thanks, have to run now, bye
[16:40] <dragojevic_> danilos: are you available for a quick question?
[16:43] <vadi21> "© 2004-2008" copyright notice needs an update
[16:50] <danilos> dragojevic_: sure
[17:01] <dragojevic_> oops sorry danilos, I was distracted for a minute
[17:02] <dragojevic_> I work on Miro - and we are getting 2.0 ready for release. We'd like to get a mailing list of people who have helped us translate before -
[17:02] <dragojevic_> I read the FAQ - but after all these years - we aren't 100% sure who the admin is to request it from the page
[17:03] <dragojevic_> we did a huge amount of changes to the UI - so we really need another good round of translation and would like to ask past contributers for help.
[17:05] <danilos> dragojevic_: right, so you either want to set up a translation team and a mailing list inviting all past contributors (you can go to each POFile inside Launchpad and look at the overview page to see a list of contributors), or you can contact them directly
[17:07] <danilos> dragojevic_: eg. if you go to https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/democracy/trunk/+pots/democracyplayer/sr you can see all the contributors to that particular translation
[17:07] <dragojevic_> Is there one group list for a direct contact?
[17:09] <dragojevic_> I just get a link to what the person has done w/in Launchpad.  We are hoping for an email list.
[17:09] <danilos> dragojevic_: no, you'd have to create that yourself, and I suggest you do that now so it's easier to cope with in the future (i.e. create something like miro-translator-announce team and invite all contributors to the team where you'd create a mailing list)
[17:09] <dragojevic_> I see.
[17:09] <dragojevic_> Thanks
[17:09] <danilos> dragojevic_: for those who have not hidden their email addresses, you can likely see them in PO files as well (if you have translator-credits message in there)
[17:10] <danilos> dragojevic_: for those who have, you'd have to use "Contact this user" on their personal profiles
[17:10] <dragojevic_> ok.
[17:10] <danilos> dragojevic_: (or use the previous alternative of adding them to a team with a mailing list in Launchpad)
[18:02] <vadi2> loggerhead seems to be unavailable
[18:02] <vadi2> (my bad, it's back now)
[18:15] <edgimar> How does one post enhancement requests in launchpad?  It seems it can only handle bug reports.
[18:16] <savvas> edgimar: it kind of goes to "wishlist" I think, a special team of bug triagers do that, but you can ask for it at #ubuntu-bugs
[18:18] <Ursinha> edgimar, you can file a bug with your suggestions, and we triage it
[18:19] <Ursinha> as wishlist
[18:22] <edgimar> Ursinha: But how does this work for a regular project hosted on launchpad which isn't an official Ubuntu project?
[18:23] <Ursinha> edgimar, oh, I understood that you want to make suggestions to launchpad itself, not for any projects on launchpad :)
[18:23] <edgimar> How does it get converted to wishlist status in that case?  And why is there no way of the reporter being able to specify this?
[18:24] <Ursinha> edgimar, well, you can do that, but it's not recommended
[18:24] <edgimar> Ursinha: can do what?
[18:24] <Ursinha> edgimar, yes
[18:25] <Ursinha> edgimar, clicking in the arrow below Status
[18:26] <Ursinha> but it's the team that would "fix" the bug's criteria to choose the Status
[18:30] <edgimar> Ursinha: Ok - I see that you can modify the "Importance" (strange that it is considered an importance level) -- what do you mean about criteria to choose the status -- some kind of automatic status-selection based on criteria?
[18:31] <Ursinha> edgimar, because the Status represents, erm, well, the status of the bug
[18:31] <Ursinha> for instance
[18:31] <Ursinha> the team is fixing it
[18:31] <Ursinha> so they change it to In progress
[18:32] <Ursinha> makes no sense to any other people to do that
[18:32] <Ursinha> got it?
[18:33] <Ursinha> guess I messed up a little
[18:33] <Ursinha> :)
[18:33] <Ursinha> wishlist is at importance because there are bugs that are really improvements suggestions
[18:33] <edgimar> Ursinha: Yes I see.  I was confused and thought you meant 'Importance" selection.  But either way, there is no 'automatic' selection of either importance or status, right?
[18:34] <Ursinha> edgimar, the only automatic thing is the default when you file a bug, that is status new and importance undecided
[18:34] <Ursinha> people on projects do the triage
[18:34] <Ursinha> like I do for launchpad-project, for instance
[18:35] <edgimar> I agree that there are bugs that are improvements, but it could be that there is a field other than status which is used to say whether the bug is an improvement or whether it is crashing/etc.  But maybe the line is too gray between the two..?
[18:37] <Ursinha> edgimar, see, at first sight, a bug is always a problem that should be solved :)
[18:38] <Ursinha> edgimar, if it's crashing, the info the reporter will add to the bug should be enough to prove it, or to someone else to reproduce it and prove it too
[18:38] <Ursinha> edgimar, but you're right, sometimes there's only a thin line between the two
[18:42] <vadi2> is there a page that shows all possible auto-linking syntaxes that one can use in launchpad? I cannot find it
[18:42] <Ursinha> vadi2, what do you mean by auto-linking?
[18:42] <vadi2> for bug-reports - ie bug #number will get linked
[18:42] <vadi2> I want to see what are the alternatives to that
[18:43] <Ursinha> well, I can tell you, but I don't know if it's documented somewhere
[18:43] <vadi2> can you tell please?
[18:46] <Ursinha> vadi2, you can use "bug 1234" or "bug #1234"
[18:46] <Ursinha> hahaha
[18:46] <vadi2> ok, thank you
[18:47] <Ursinha> vadi2, no problem, I'll ask mrevell-afk tomorrow about that
[18:47] <Ursinha> if there are some docs about it, that is
[18:47] <vadi2> is it possible to get this ubottu bot into our project's irc?
[18:47] <vadi2> he is useful
[18:48] <kiko> Ursinha, Rinchen, who runs ubottu
[18:48] <Ursinha> kiko, you should ask jussi01
[18:48] <Ursinha> but
[18:48] <Ursinha> as I was going to explain :)
[18:49] <Ursinha> it's overloaded, according to the owner
[18:49] <Ursinha> ubottu, owner
[18:49] <vadi2> hmm. can we start our own copy?
[18:49] <Ursinha> vadi2, ^
[18:49] <vadi2> k
[18:49] <vadi2> thanks for your help!
[18:50] <Ursinha> vadi2, my pleasure :)
[18:54] <vadi2> another thing I was wondering, bzr commit --fixes lp:# currently only links the bug report with a bug, but does not mark as "fixed commited"
[18:54] <vadi2> is this a known bug or a no-no?
[18:54] <beuno> vadi2, partially, because it's because it may be committed somewhere other than trunk
[18:55] <beuno> in theory, we could detect that it *is* trunk, and do it for you, which I think is the right thing
[18:56] <vadi2> Yeah.
[20:43] <thumper> beuno: I have sekrit plans for better --fixes integration with the bugs :)
[20:45] <beuno> thumper, awesome
[20:50] <LarstiQ> thumper: hero!
[20:50] <LarstiQ> thumper: jml mentioned wanting to do some work on bzr to improve the bug api, has anything happened on that front?
[20:50]  * LarstiQ looks at jml
[20:51] <thumper> LarstiQ: I don't think so


[20:37] <cjwatson> olmari: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/907675
[20:37] <mup> Bug #907675: Add support for ECDSA and Ed25519 SSH keys <Launchpad itself:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/907675>
[20:38] <olmari> oh well.. would have been obvious to look there (too)
[21:24] <cjwatson> olmari: Please don't post me-too comments in bugs


[00:36] <arraybolt3[m]> Whoa, what is this? Looks like something we really need to look into:
[00:37] <arraybolt3[m]> Just got slammed with this message after installing Lubuntu Kinetic in a VM.
[00:37]  * arraybolt3[m] uploaded an image: (783KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/xiShBXcynKZQJXHIRnTTXbmq/image.png >
[00:37] <arraybolt3[m]> (And hitting the upgrade button)
[00:38] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh wait, it just says reboot after this. Nevermind, I thought it was saying the programs were going to be borked entirely.
[00:38] <arraybolt3[m]> My bad.
[00:39] <arraybolt3[m]> (Or restart the services that need it, but a reboot would be safer IMO.)
[00:41] <guiverc[m]> arraybolt3[m]: if that was a running machine... don't worry about it... issues like that occur on the development release, and I think I saw it last night, or this morning (I forget sorry; I just `killall xscreem<tab>` and ignored it...
[00:42] <guiverc[m]> we warn users about using the development releases... 🙂
[00:42] <arraybolt3[m]> guiverc: Nah, it was a fresh install for a test of the new Calamares. I guess I installed at just the perfectly wrong time to get a terrifying message that wasn't really that bad. (I *think* the test went well, but I didn't check the Calamares version, so it might have been the earlier Cala.)
[00:45] <guiverc[m]> 🙂   Thank you for your diligence & testing...
[00:45] <arraybolt3[m]> guiverc: Thanks for your patience with my false alarm 🙃
[00:47] <arraybolt3> See you guys tomorrow night!