[09:55] <gordonjcp> makara: it's not really a big deal, as long as everyone is using sensible passwords and you keep stuff up-to-date
[09:55] <makara> gordonjcp, seems unnecessary clutter for a server version
[09:55] <babinlonston> hitsujiTMO: its rw
[09:55] <the_drow> But the driver should be included in the 3.11 kernel mainline.
[09:55] <the_drow> wilee-nilee: It's working for a colleague of mine.
[09:55] <makara> gordonjcp, they're machine users, like 'games' 'irc' 'backup'
[09:56] <hitsujiTMO> babinlonston: can you show me the output of: mount
[09:56] <makara> gordonjcp, cat /etc/passwd
[09:56] <gvo> adac man sar
[09:56] <gordonjcp> makara: they have no shells
[09:56] <the_drow> wilee-nilee: sudo lshw -C network only shows the wireless device
[09:56] <makara> gordonjcp, they do. They have no home directories.
[09:57] <wilee-nilee> the_drow, Can you identify what on the lsusb might be it?
[09:57] <the_drow> wilee-nilee: Bus 004 Device 005: ID 0b95:1790 ASIX Electronics Corp.
[09:57] <adac> gvo, https://gist.github.com/anonymous/7464284
[09:57] <babinlonston> hitsujiTMO: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6415085/
[09:57] <gvo> adac sar -A
[09:57] <hitsujiTMO> makara: they are system accounts not user accounts. anything below uid 1000 is a system account.
[09:58] <wilee-nilee> the_drow, I have no idea to be honest, usually there is more info to search the web with.
[09:58] <makara> hitsujiTMO, so what does that mean in terms of security?
[09:58] <the_drow> wilee-nilee: I had this one installed for 13.04...
[09:58] <hitsujiTMO> makara: nothing. those account cannot be logged into
[09:58] <the_drow> wilee-nilee: https://launchpad.net/~qji/+archive/ax88179
[09:58] <gvo> adac I'm not a sar expert.  I just know it's used a lot to determine the load on Linux systems.
[09:59] <adac> gvo, kk thanks!
[09:59] <the_drow> wilee-nilee: It worked.
[09:59] <gvo> adac but it doesn't look like your system is overloaded in any way.
[09:59] <makara> hitsujiTMO, irc:x:39:39:ircd:/var/run/ircd:/bin/sh
[09:59] <kali_eskrima> hitsujiTMO oh i see... so i need to set it up with my phone the visible usb mass storage. ok i will try that later. also will it work with the bluetooth? when you connect? i will try it now
[09:59] <wilee-nilee> the_drow, what worked?
[10:00] <kali_eskrima> air what is airdroid for? thanks
[10:00] <the_drow> wilee-nilee: The driver on the PPA for 13.04.
[10:00] <cfhowlett> kali_eskrima, wifi connection between computer and droid phone.
[10:00] <wilee-nilee> the_drow, So it's working now?
[10:00] <the_drow> wilee-nilee: no because it should be included in the kernel already. I can'
[10:00] <the_drow> I can't install it using the PPA. I'm on 13.10 now.
[10:01] <hitsujiTMO> babinlonston: can you show me the the output of mount from the client machine with the nfs share mounted
[10:01] <kali_eskrima> hitsujiTMO also how and were do i create a document or/and file ? and will that document/file be executable in the terminal?
[10:01] <kali_eskrima> cfhowlett oh ok thanks
[10:01] <hitsujiTMO> kali_eskrima: chmod +x  it to make it executable
[10:01] <faryshta> which is the best way to connect to tor? i am trying vidalia but so far all fails
[10:02] <babinlonston> hitsujiTMO: client machine http://paste.ubuntu.com/6415097/
[10:02] <kali_eskrima> hitsujiTMO what is chmod +x? i name of the file?  or what?
[10:03] <cfhowlett> !tor
[10:03] <cfhowlett> !best|faryshta,
[10:03] <kali_eskrima> air is that airdroid almost like kies air?
[10:03] <makara> hitsujiTMO, sudo su - irc
[10:04] <hitsujiTMO> makara: sudo cat /etc/shadow | grep irc                 as you can see the first field is marked with a *   indicating that it is a system account and cannot me logged in with by a user. a user account would have a password hash here instead
[10:04] <makara> hitsujiTMO, I'm logged in
[10:04] <the_drow> wilee-nilee: So no idea? :/
[10:04] <uladzislau> hello people
[10:04] <uladzislau> i have a big problem and need your help
[10:04] <uladzislau> the problem is that i can't log-in to kde plasma dektop. When i log-in, i getting standard login splash screen (icons of Hdd, earch etc) and then i getting black screen for a half-a-second and then i getting back to login screen
[10:04] <uladzislau>   the problem also that virtual consoles  doesn't work
[10:04] <uladzislau>   i mean ctrl+alt+fXX doesn't show me a terminal
[10:04] <uladzislau>   but also show me login screen
[10:04] <uladzislau>   if i get to terminal i can solve my problems
[10:04] <FloodBot1> uladzislau: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:04] <uladzislau>   it seems something with X server
[10:05] <hitsujiTMO> makara: makara that not logging to that account. that's assuming it's identity. try sshing to the server with: ssh irc@serverip            you can't log in
[10:05] <wilee-nilee> the_drow, Ni I believe I said that already.
[10:06] <wilee-nilee> No*
[10:06] <the_drow> wilee-nilee: Thanks anyway :)
[10:06] <uladzislau> so KDE plasma desktop doesn't start (when i type password it starts to load  - standard splash screen with HDD etc. - and then it brings me back to login screen)
[10:06] <uladzislau> VCs doesn't work
[10:06] <hitsujiTMO> babinlonston: it is indeed being mounted as rw. can you tell me the output of: ls -ld /home/sysadmin/nfsshare
[10:06] <uladzislau> every ctrl+alt+fx brings me back to login screen
[10:07] <uladzislau> is there any ability to get to terminal ?
[10:07] <uladzislau> instead of loading from liveusb
[10:07] <hitsujiTMO> uladzislau: ctrl + alt + f1 -> then login to the terminal
[10:07] <babinlonston> hitsujiTMO: drwxr-xr-x 3 nobody nogroup 4096 Nov 14 14:20 /home/sysadmin/nfsshare
[10:08] <uladzislau> ctrl+alt+f1 doesn't show me a terminal
[10:08] <uladzislau> it shows me a login screen
[10:08] <uladzislau> every ctrl alt f1 f2 f3 ... doesn't show me a terminal
[10:08] <uladzislau> it shows me a kubuntu login screen
[10:08] <faryshta> cfhowlett_, thanks but that didn't helped
[10:08] <adac> gvo you might want to have a look also on this: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/7464397
[10:08] <kali_eskrima> hitsujiTMO after i understand how to create files with command that u said before. and how to make it and where? than i would like to ask you how do i permanently remove  error messages on the start up with the 12.04 lte .. its says something about the broken pipes and it takes time to load. i think i messed it up when i was trying to upgrade to 12.10. so now its not loading ok. i dont know if that matters for the overall perf
[10:09] <uladzislau> my problem descripetion again : http://pastebin.com/m672ubDg
[10:09] <adac> gvo is %system the system load?
[10:09] <hitsujiTMO> babinlonston: try: echo "hello" | sudo tee /home/sysadmin/nfsshare/hello_file
[10:10] <l57_> #ubuntu-ru
[10:10] <cfhowlett_> !ru
[10:10] <babinlonston> sysadmin@system99:~$ echo "hello" | sudo tee /home/sysadmin/nfsshare/hello_file
[10:10] <babinlonston> hello
[10:10] <hitsujiTMO> kali_eskrima: i'd have to see the exact errors to know where the problem is. can you pastebin the output of: dmesg
[10:10] <babinlonston> hitsujiTMO: sysadmin@system99:~$ echo "hello" | sudo tee /home/sysadmin/nfsshare/hello_file
[10:10] <babinlonston> hello
[10:11] <kali_eskrima> hitsujiTMO what is dmesg? do i add the to the command?
[10:11] <gvo> adac that's the amount of time spent in the OS
[10:11] <hitsujiTMO> kali_eskrima: dmesg is a command. it outputs a system log
[10:11] <gvo> adac or not executing user instructions.
[10:11] <adac> gvo, yeah just scrolling down the huge man file .)
[10:12] <hitsujiTMO> babinlonston: if you've ran that: there should be a file hello_file in /home/sysadmin/nfsshare
[10:12] <gvo> adac however most of the system time is a result of the user asking the system to do something for him, not necessarily overhead of the OS.
[10:13] <babinlonston> hitsujiTMO: yes there is a file .... then Why i cant create any file and remove any file in GUI ?
[10:14] <hitsujiTMO> babinlonston: because you do not have permissions to write. Is this a share in your home or is this in work?
[10:14] <babinlonston> hitsujiTMO: work
[10:15] <kali_eskrima> hitsujiTMO here you go. http://paste.ubuntu.com/6415151/
[10:15] <kali_eskrima> hitsujiTMO tell me if its missing something... i think it is
[10:15] <hitsujiTMO> babinlonston: and what kind of security do you need for this share? do you mid it being open or do you want it for you and you only?
[10:16] <babinlonston> hitsujiTMO: there are 24 Users here , They need to access it now  With read and Write
[10:17] <kali_eskrima> hitsujiTMO i will paste again for you
[10:17] <kali_eskrima> hitsujiTMO http://paste.ubuntu.com/6415164/
[10:18] <hitsujiTMO> babinlonston: ok. first can you: sudo rm /home/sysadmin/nfsshare/hello_file                          and then we'll reconfigure your server export
[10:19] <babinlonston> ok
[10:20] <hitsujiTMO> babinlonston: is everyone using ubuntu or other operating systems?
[10:20] <babinlonston> hitsujiTMO: Each and Every PC's are Installed With Ubuntu 12.04
[10:21] <ZBCss>  * name: snake
[10:21] <ZBCss>  * coder: gameloftyou
[10:21] <ZBCss>  * version: v1.00
[10:21] <ZBCss>  *[10:21] <FloodBot1> ZBCss: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:21] <hitsujiTMO> babinlonston: and they're all in the <IP_ADDRESS> network>
[10:21] <hitsujiTMO> ??
[10:21] <babinlonston> hitsujiTMO: yes
[10:21]  * cfhowlett_ hates hit and run spammers
[10:21] <gvo> likewise
[10:21] <jery> hello chat en français svp ?
[10:22] <kali_eskrima> cfhowlett me too. but how do you know that was a smapper?
[10:22] <kali_eskrima> cfhowlett i mean spammer? how would he spam here?
[10:22] <k1l_> !fr | jery
[10:22] <cfhowlett_> !fr|jery,
[10:23] <hitsujiTMO> babinlonston: please change your export in /etc/export to: /nfsshare       <IP_ADDRESS>/24(rw,subtree_check,sync,all_squash)                                         and then restart the nfs-kernel-server service
[10:23] <gvo> kali_eskrima: Did ZBCss look like he was asking for ubuntu support?
[10:23] <cfhowlett_> kali_eskrima, I'm going to assume that ZBCss post was NOT about ubuntu as he dropeed his snake game payload and departed.
[10:23] <kali_eskrima> gvo no not really.. just blabbering haha
[10:24] <kali_eskrima> cfhowlett what is a snake game? how do you see that a playload? sorry im very new to all this. and i like to learn from you guys,
[10:25] <hitsujiTMO> kali_eskrima: hmm. whatever is causing the problem is not being dumped to dmesg. can you tell me any exact info about the errors?
[10:26] <kali_eskrima> hitsujiTMO ok its not a big deal , but the loading time is longer than how i should be, and its a black screen with message... cant load bytes broken pipes? and than it will load to the ubuntu desktop. maybe is nothing major, but i dont know
[10:27] <kali_eskrima> cfhowlett yeah some people are just attention seekers and naggers
[10:28] <babinlonston> hitsujiTMO: Done
[10:28] <hitsujiTMO> kali_eskrima: it could just be that the system is waiting for network interface to come up
[10:28] <kali_eskrima> gvo so here there is not admin? that can someone be kicked out? or blocked?
[10:29] <gvo> kali_eskrima: yes, but he came in did his thing and left.  No time to kick.
[10:29] <hitsujiTMO> babinlonston: on the client can you remount the nfs share: sudo mount -a
[10:29] <k1l_> kali_eskrima: lets focus on ubuntu support in here. if you have a problem with users in here you are free to come to #ubuntu-ops and talk to the ops
[10:30] <gvo> kali_eskrima: Or complain on #freenode
[10:30] <kali_eskrima> hitsujitTMO Oooh ok so i dont think is a big deal. so if i may ask you again. plese explain me more how to create a file and to add that command to exectute. where to add, how and how do i do? thanks sorry if i ask too much i just dont know, much about linux  and ubuntu. just new to it
[10:30] <forgeaus> you guys have ubottu right? whats the command to get it to say foreign language channels?
[10:30] <forgeaus> I can only remember botsnack lol
[10:31] <olf-folks> would it hurt my server to remove Plymouth
[10:31] <kali_eskrima> k1l oh year there is the live admin  :D yeah no problem. im focused on my problem solving. i wont say a word. sorry
[10:31] <hitsujiTMO> kali_eskrima: you you have naything defined in /etc/network/interfaces                           ?
[10:31] <hitsujiTMO> anything*
[10:31] <hitsujiTMO> olf-folks: no
[10:32] <forgeaus> if plymouth is only cosmetic then I don't see it as being harmful to remove...
[10:32] <kali_eskrima> hitsujiTMO is that a folder you are talking about? or a com,mand? i dont know what is defined.
[10:32] <babinlonston> hitsujiTMO: ya its mounted but the server have other files and im here seeing some other files and folders
[10:32] <olf-folks> ok if i dont come back assume the worst has happened
[10:32] <kali_eskrima> hitsujiTMO I mean i know what it means but i dont know what are you talking about
[10:33] <hitsujiTMO> babinlonston: can you try and create a file in that folder now.
[10:33] <forgeaus> !botsnack
[10:34] <babinlonston> hitsujiTMO: no i cant create
[10:34] <hitsujiTMO> kali_eskrima: thats a config file. can you: cat /etc/network/interfaces                               and paste the output
[10:34] <kali_eskrima> hitsujiTMO oh ok, one sec
[10:35] <olf-folks> it wont let me remove Plymouth for some reason.
[10:35] <IamTrying> Who is maintaining bd.ubuntu.xxxxx ? all the packages to install with apt-get is failing , so bad quality, does anyone checks there quality?
[10:35] <hitsujiTMO> babinlonston: forry. i forgot one important thing. on the server can you: chmod 777 /nfsshare
[10:35] <IamTrying> I am remotely on a bd.ubuntu pc and i cant install any packages with apt-get all gives forbidden
[10:35] <hitsujiTMO> babinlonston: sorry*
[10:36] <babinlonston> ok
[10:36] <kali_eskrima> hitsujiTMO here http://paste.ubuntu.com/6415219/
[10:36] <olf-folks> http://paste.debian.net/65786/
[10:36] <hitsujiTMO> babinlonston: then remount on the client again (sudo mount -a) and try to crate a file in the share
[10:37] <IamTrying> package repository of bd.ubuntu is third class, can anyone please advise what should be done?
[10:37] <cfhowlett_> IamTrying, yes.  don't use that mirror.
[10:38] <hitsujiTMO> kali_eskrima: hmm. its not waiting for a network interface to come up then. must be something else broken, but cannot tell without knowing any specific errors
[10:38] <IamTrying> cfhowlett_, its so Third class repository - shame on them, very bad management , like Ubuntu is not working that kind of impressions they are getting
[10:38] <k1l_> IamTrying: change to the main servers
[10:38] <IamTrying> cfhowlett_, who is maintain this repository its very bad quality.
[10:38] <IamTrying> OK
[10:39] <kali_eskrima> hitsujiTMO ooh i see. ok nevermind the errors for now. i guess the ubuntu is working noneless with errors poping up. they are very fast on the start up screen.
[10:39] <ianmac1> Will the Mate desktop env eventually make it into the repos?
[10:39] <cfhowlett_> IamTrying, all of what you say may be true.  That's probably why the default settings on ubuntu are to main mirrors.  Of course that's easily changed to suit the user's needs.
[10:40] <k1l_> ianmac1: if its comming to debian
[10:40] <babinlonston> hitsujiTMO: its Done
[10:40] <cfhowlett_> !mate|ianmac1,
[10:40] <ianmac1> !mate
[10:40] <babinlonston> hitsujiTMO: thanks man
[10:40] <ianmac1> no factoid I guess
[10:40] <kali_eskrima> hitsujiTMO so anyway can you help me with the folders creating of a file or executable file.. or where can i find more info on that... i want to create files to be executable. as you said for the network manager. i forgot exactly your words but i remember sometbing about the creating some file under certain name.. and then do the run in the terminal. i dont know what to create and where to create those files...
[10:40] <hitsujiTMO> IamTrying: that mirror is controlled by dhakaCom Limited     https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[10:41] <IamTrying> OK -  Thank you i will ask them to replace it to my servers i run several servers
[10:42] <cfhowlett_> !mirror|IamTrying, Not that I've ever done it, but if you're running servers, perhaps you might wish to set up your OWN mirror.
[10:42] <hitsujiTMO> IamTrying: apologies: it's ispros.com.bd
[10:43] <forgeaus> !wayland
[10:43] <theadmin> forgeaus: No plans for that :P
[10:43] <forgeaus> lol
[10:43] <hitsujiTMO> IamTrying: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/mirror.dhakacom.com-archive may be an alternative for you
[10:43] <cfhowlett_> hitsujiTMO, where are you finding the info.  I searched for "bd" and got nothing.
[10:43] <forgeaus> I think Kubuntu is going there, from what I read ...
[10:43] <ArcticLight> Hello, I have a question about Launchpad bugs... Is it possible to A) mark a bug as a possible regression and/or B) note which versions of Ubuntu contain the bug?
[10:43] <theadmin> ArcticLight: Try #launchpad
[10:43] <theadmin> forgeaus: Ah, maybe. But not the mainstream Ubuntu, it's gonna be using Mir.
[10:44] <forgeaus> whats Mir?
[10:44] <theadmin> forgeaus: A display server developed by Canonical for Ubuntu
[10:44] <hitsujiTMO> cfhowlett_: ping bd.archive.ubuntu.com  it resolves to: mirrors.ispros.com.bd
[10:44] <adeebnqo> Hello, I have a memory card thats protected with a password. How can I reset the password using ubuntu?
[10:44] <cfhowlett_> hitsujiTMO, thanks!
[10:44] <forgeaus> well its possible the Kubuntu thing I was reading was old? I'm not sure if they're going Mir though ...
[10:44] <cfhowlett_> !password|adeebnqo,
[10:45] <olf-folks> it wont let me remove Plymouth for some reason.
[10:45] <hitsujiTMO> !yay | babinlonston
[10:45] <olf-folks> http://paste.debian.net/65786/
[10:45] <theadmin> forgeaus: From what I know, Kubuntu team doesn't plan to support Mir and for now will stay on X.org.
[10:45] <forgeaus> they seem to have split from canonical
[10:45] <adeebnqo> cfhowlett_ : The issue is not the password for my OS but rather of the memory card
[10:45] <cfhowlett_> !kubuntu|forgeaus,
[10:45] <k1l_> forgeaus: since KDE is refusing to support MIR kubuntu will evaluate to use Wayland after KDE drops X support. but that is some time away and better asked in #kubuntu
[10:45] <theadmin> forgeaus: They never were *in* Canonical. All the derivatives (Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Lubuntu, Ubuntu Studio) are mantained by the brilliant community :)
[10:46] <cfhowlett_> adeebnqo, ah, sorry.  missed that part
[10:46] <kali_eskrima> ubottu <3 you always know
[10:46] <forgeaus> oh I wasn't trying to ask the question lol I was just making a comment
[10:47] <forgeaus> I wonder what happened to fluxbuntu ...
[10:47] <hitsujiTMO> kali_eskrima: create a file in you're home directory. call it hello_world. in the hello_world file add the line: echo "hello world"                   save it and then make the file executable: chmod +x hello_world        then run the file with: ./hello_world
[10:47] <IamTrying> OK - Thank you
[10:47] <forgeaus> and why there never really was a stepbuntu?
[10:47] <d> -W
[10:47] <olf-folks> i think im muted?
[10:48] <theadmin> forgeaus: Eh. Lubuntu uses LXDE which is Openbox + a panel
[10:48] <theadmin> forgeaus: Close enough :D
[10:48] <cfhowlett_> olf-folks, nope
[10:48] <olf-folks> ahh okay
[10:48] <forgeaus> yeah I knew Lubuntu was LXDE but I don't know much about LXDE
[10:48] <kali_eskrima> hitsujiTMO Ok ...let me try this contraption. so the adding the line goes inside the file . hm and the make it executable is with the right click or in the settings bar?
[10:49] <hitsujiTMO> kali_eskrima: it's much easier to di it all in the terminal
[10:49] <kali_eskrima> hitsujiTMO do i create a new folder or new document?
[10:50] <hitsujiTMO> kali_eskrima: its a new document
[10:50] <kali_eskrima> hitsujiTMO oh just in the terminal.. so i just follow the steps.
[10:50] <kali_eskrima> ok
[10:50] <Zap-W> Hi, Have a question in bash manual the syntax for parameter expansion is  ${parameter/pattern/string}   with 2 slashes /  , but in Greg's bash faq there is an example with  3 slashes   "${file//foo/bar}"   I am confused why are there double // after file instead of only 1
[10:50] <hitsujiTMO> kali_eskrima: nano is the default text editor in the terminal.
[10:51] <kali_eskrima> hitsujiTMO do i have to specfiy in the terminal that this is a new document and how it will know where to save it? i mean will it save to my home directory?
[10:51] <kali_eskrima> hitsujiTMO so i should say to terminal.... sudo nano tex editor? to start typing in the terminal... ? oh im sorry im really lost in space
[10:51] <theadmin> Zap-W: Try #bash
[10:52] <hitsujiTMO> kali_eskrima: in your home: just type: nano hello_world              that will open the file hello_world for editing. if it doesn't exist then it will load an empty file that will be saved as hello_world when you save with (ctrl + o)
[10:52] <theadmin> kali_eskrima: sudo = run command as administrator. nano is *one* of the huge variety of console-based text editors, the easiest one. To summon it, you can type "nano filename" where "filename" is the file you want to edit. "sudo nano filename" = the same, but as an administrator.
[10:53] <kali_eskrima> great it sounds like a game.. like skyrim!
[10:54] <theadmin> kali_eskrima: Heh.
[10:55] <olf-folks> i have always thought vim was more easy to use than nano
[10:55] <kali_eskrima> theadmin i wish i can get classes on the ubuntu/linux or sometning like that so i wouldnt bother you guys all the time with the most smallest and stupidiest questions.
[10:55] <theadmin> kali_eskrima: Eh, that's okay. You can bother us all you want ;) Or even me, you can pm me, I'm more than willing to teach.
[10:55] <cfhowlett_> kali_eskrima, not stupid questions and see IBM for linux learning resources.
[10:56] <k1l_> olf-folks: if you are used to the keybindings and the way vi and vim works. for regular desktop user nano is more like a editor they know from the GUI
[10:56] <theadmin> Vim is great but it takes hours to properly understand it
[10:56] <cfhowlett_> kali_eskrima, http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-lpic1-v3-map/     or hit your library for the LPCI 1 book
[10:57] <kali_eskrima> hitsujiTMO oH I see now.. it works in the terminal. like it opens the word nano text thingy great. ok let me try what you said earlier to create that file
[10:57] <kali_eskrima> theadmin thank you very much will do! :)
[10:57] <olf-folks> all you really need to know about vim is :qw!
[10:57] <kali_eskrima> cfhowlett thanks!
[10:58] <cfhowlett_> kali_eskrima, also look for the free download "the ubuntu pocketguide"
[10:58] <theadmin> olf-folks: :wqa!, rather.
[10:59] <theadmin> olf-folks: "qw" is also not a command, quitting first and then writing makes no sense.
[10:59] <olf-folks> theadmin,  i was testing you lol
[10:59] <hitsujiTMO> olf-folks: i tihnk you mean: q!
[11:00] <theadmin> "vi has two modes: beeping and breaking things"
[11:00] <hitsujiTMO> :)
[11:00] <olf-folks> hey hitsujiTMO did you look at my pastebin?
[11:02] <hitsujiTMO> olf-folks: sudo apt-get -f install
[11:03] <olf-folks> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
[11:03] <forgeaus> vi has far too many commands to remember, I tend to stay away from using it
[11:03] <hitsujiTMO> olf-folks: sudo apt-get upgrade
[11:04] <forgeaus> plus two different modes from editing and writing, ugh, it does my head in
[11:04] <olf-folks> hitsujiTMO, i did that before i tried to remove it
[11:04] <kali_eskrima> hitsujiTMO ok i think i got it thanks i just need to play around and try it
[11:04] <gvo> forgeaus: It's not for people who don't use it fairly reguarly.
[11:04] <forgeaus> gvo exactly
[11:04] <forgeaus> I'm not saying it isn't powerful
[11:04] <hitsujiTMO> olf-folks: jusat try it agian now. can you pastebin the output
[11:04] <forgeaus> its just not my kind of text editor thats all
[11:05] <gvo> forgeaus: For those of us who need power and speed ...
[11:05] <hitsujiTMO> olf-folks: did you already remove some other packages?
[11:05] <olf-folks> hitsujiTMO, you want the whole output
[11:05] <forgeaus> gvo, then I say perhaps work smarter instead of harder? .. if you have the option :)
[11:05] <hitsujiTMO> olf-folks: please
[11:05] <Pumpkin-_> any text editor that a first time user can't work out how to quit isn't user friendly.
[11:06] <theadmin> Pumpkin-_: When you run vim, it tells you how to quit right away :D
[11:06] <forgeaus> pumpkin well that isn' quite fair but under normal circumstances I'd agree
[11:06] <gvo> Pumpkin-_: Driving a semi isn't user friendly either however it is a necessary skill for some people.
[11:06] <olf-folks> http://paste.debian.net/65792/
[11:06] <hitsujiTMO> olf-folks: upgrade not update :P
[11:07] <olf-folks> hitsujiTMO, oh my bad ha
[11:07] <Pumpkin-_> theadmin: not if you open a file with it like "vi somefile". Then you are screwed.
[11:07] <theadmin> Pumpkin-_: True. Especially if you do use "vi", it's weird. Vim is way better.
[11:08] <olf-folks> http://paste.debian.net/65793/
[11:08] <gvo> gvim
[11:08] <hitsujiTMO> olf-folks: can you also pastebin: dpkg --get-selections
[11:08] <forgeaus> well the m part does stand for improved
[11:08] <gvo>  best of both worlds
[11:08] <forgeaus> gvim is even better :) more improved
[11:08] <forgeaus> but still not so user friendly
[11:08] <theadmin> forgeaus: Actually, it used to stand for "Vi iMmitation". But then it became better so, yeah.
[11:08] <gvo> :help is always available
[11:09] <olf-folks> hitsujiTMO, hold on that may take a moment
[11:09] <forgeaus> theadmin interesting factoid, one which I'll probably not remember easily
[11:09] <hitsujiTMO> emacs ftw!
[11:09] <Pumpkin-_> typing that : isn't going to be something 99% of first time users think of
[11:09] <forgeaus> I never understood how to use emacs either. ..
[11:09] <theadmin> forgeaus: You just hold down Ctrl or Alt and mash random keys just like you do in Vim :D
[11:10] <forgeaus> I think I'll just use kdevelop or something instead lol
[11:10] <hitsujiTMO> forgeaus: nah. use sublime text
[11:10] <gvo> forgeaus: Use notepad++
[11:10] <olf-folks> http://paste.debian.net/65795/
[11:10] <forgeaus> Pico is better for that... pico shows you what the commands are
[11:10] <forgeaus> although I guess I should say nano
[11:10] <Zap-W> from where what config file does kde take font name with alias ubuntu
[11:11] <Zap-W> I want to change the default font for ubuntu alias
[11:11] <Zap-W> oh it's an actual TTF font
[11:11] <k1l_> forgeaus: do you have a suppor tissue? we have #ubuntu-offtopic for discussions and chatter to keep this channel clear for support
[11:11] <forgeaus> wasn't that originally part of the pine mail suite or something?
[11:11] <k1l_> that inclused the $best-editor discussion :)
[11:12] <k1l_> includes
[11:12] <theadmin> Well, Ubuntu comes with nano for a reason I suppose.
[11:13] <hitsujiTMO> olf-folks: try remove plymouth again: sudo apt-get remove plymouth
[11:14] <forgeaus> Actually I did have a support question, for #kubuntu someone was speaking a foreign langauge, what command for ubottu tells them its english?
[11:14] <hitsujiTMO> olf-folks: are you removing stuff at random from your system? i see some odd things removed like: gnome-session
[11:14] <forgeaus> (its a bit late now... )
[11:14] <olf-folks> hitsujiTMO, yeah i installed something that also installed gnome-session
[11:15] <olf-folks> hitsujiTMO, then it would not let me use openbox so i removed it
[11:15] <forgeaus> what language is this anyway? как зайти на кубунту-ру?
[11:16] <olf-folks> http://paste.debian.net/65798/
[11:16] <iptable> Russian
[11:16] <hitsujiTMO> olf-folks: next time try: apt-get install blahblahblah --no-install-recommends     for anything that you don't want something installed for
[11:16] <DJones> !ru| iptable
[11:16] <forgeaus> ok so send them to ubuntu-ru?
[11:16] <DJones> iptable: Sorry, misread that
[11:16] <forgeaus> thx :)
[11:17] <olf-folks> hitsujiTMO, thanks for the advice
[11:17] <iptable> DJones: no worries
[11:19] <Esor> I'm updating ubuntu
[11:19] <hitsujiTMO> olf-folks: my apologies. plymouth needs to be installed. it's the plymouth themes that don't need to be installed
[11:19] <Esor> i hope nothing will break
[11:19] <Esor> is it safe?
[11:19] <olf-folks> hitsujiTMO, ok is there a way to atleast change it?
[11:20] <olf-folks> i probably could have Googled that...
[11:20] <theadmin> Esor: Uh, normally yes, unless something bad happens.
[11:21] <shomon> hi there, I'm trying to find out why my wifi network is slow. One router plugged in somewhere is making a mess.. Is there a way to get started analysing that from ubuntu?
[11:21] <Esor> I always reinstall ubuntu
[11:21] <Esor> but this time I'm trying to upgrade
[11:21] <shomon> I'm plugged in to the router
[11:21] <Esor> I hope my steam will be fine
[11:21] <k1l_> Esor: no one will guarantee that. but in most cases upgrades work. but backups will help
[11:21] <Esor> do you play any games on steam?
[11:22] <iptable> shomon: try mtr to google.com or similar. see if there is packet loss somewhere along the way
[11:22] <shomon> what is mtr iptable ?
[11:22] <shomon> aah
[11:22] <iptable> mtr is like traceroute, only better and more interactive
[11:22] <shomon> :) sorry.. just typed it
[11:23] <shomon> :) yeah we used to have tracert back in the day
[11:23] <olf-folks> hitsujiTMO, me being someone who came from debian i have to ask why would Plymouth be required haha
[11:24] <ActionParsnip> olf-folks: its not required, its optional
[11:25] <hitsujiTMO> olf-folks: that i'm unsure of. there's a few very odd and unnecessary dependencies in ubuntu.
[11:25] <k1l_> olf-folks: set nosplash and quite as kernel parameters for booting if you dont like plymuth
[11:25] <forgeaus> what is plymouth, I know when it runs (during bootup between grub and gdm or in my case kdm ...
[11:25] <hitsujiTMO> ActionParsnip: if you follow the dependency trail its needed for upstart
[11:26] <olf-folks> can i have a cool verbose boot? :D
[11:26] <Esor> why there's so big deal with ubuntufix website?
[11:26] <hitsujiTMO> ActionParsnip: its a dependency of mountall to be more specific
[11:26] <cfhowlett_> !ot|Esor,
[11:26] <Esor> sorry Ububegin
[11:26] <Esor> ubottu,
[11:27] <forgeaus> if only they could undepend it :)
[11:27] <shomon> hi iptables
[11:28] <shomon> sorry but there is no problem getting out. the problem is internal
[11:28] <shomon> some router is plugged into another
[11:28] <shomon> or interfering where it shouldnt
[11:29] <iptable> shomon: mtr to internal shows no delays? if so, this is not a layer 3 issue. You need to look at layer 1 - WiFi configuration itself. It would not be a router issue if on the same route it works on a cable and if mtr shows no issues.
[11:29] <shomon> yeah that's it.. how do I analyse the router traffic?
[11:31] <olf-folks> k1l_, kernel parameters? dose that have to do with grub? how would i change that?
[11:32] <shomon> aah okay so I guess I have to try from a computer connected to a router further down the chain... basically it's 3 routers connected together. but sometimes one gets some data crosswired
[11:32] <Dannermax> Hey all: Cant figure this one out. I have an existing raid5 software array with 4 harddrives, which was created in on a debian server. I want to mount them in my new ubuntu server setup, but i cant figure out what the command is. Can anyone help me out?
[11:34] <k1l_> olf-folks: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Plymouth#Toggling_to_Traditional_Text-based_Boot
[11:34] <Dannermax> fdisk -l
[11:34] <shomon> is there a good channel to ask networking or router questions?
[11:35] <bazhang> ##networking
[11:35] <gvo> maybe #networking
[11:35] <k1l_> shomon: ##networking
[11:35] <shomon> thanks!
[11:35] <pacy_> Hey there i got a really strange Problem. I recently installed xubuntu on my laptop and it works pretty fine except one thing: First it just occoured when the screensaver was activated and i got back to the laptop there were horizontal diplaycontortions. So i disabled it. But sometimes i need to close my laptop an when i reopen it the same issue eventuates. according to /var/log/Xorg.o.log iam using the
[11:35] <pacy_> radeon module and the graphiccard iam using is tha ati radeon X1250. Anybody got an idea ?
[11:35] <Dannermax> Would it be better to ask my raid5 question in another channel?
[11:37] <CatKiller> Dannermax: What did you mean by "mount them"? You want to mount your RAID?
[11:37] <CatKiller> Is it assembled? Can you see a "md" device in "cat /proc/partitions"?
[11:39] <Dannermax> CatKiller: Yes i want to be able to access my RAID5 from my windows computer, and share folders from it with SAMBA shares
[11:39] <CatKiller> Dannermax: Is your RAID mounted?
[11:39] <Razkin> How can I make Ubuntu 13.04 look exactly like Mac OS X Lion? I don't like Ubuntu's current theme.
[11:40] <ikonia> Razkin: you don't, it's a differet desktop,
[11:40] <Dannermax> CatKiller: No, i dont see any nd devices. Only sda, sdb, sdc and so on...
[11:40] <CatKiller> Dannermax: How do you know you have a RAID5 then?
[11:40] <Razkin> ikonia: are there any themes?
[11:40] <ikonia> Razkin: not really no
[11:40] <Razkin> ikonia: I'd also like to disable Unity, I want the usual GNOME desktop.
[11:40] <ikonia> Razkin: you can install gnome shell
[11:40] <Razkin> ikonia: Do I have to make a switch to Ubuntu 9 to get the GNOME?
[11:41] <cfhowlett_> Razkin, there is the gnome-ubuntu version
[11:41] <ikonia> Razkin: as ubuntu 9 is EOL and using gnome 2 - that would be unwise, but your choice
[11:41] <cfhowlett_> !gnome
[11:41] <Dannermax> CatKiller: TO be honest, i dont know if its mounted. But. I have had the RAID5 working in Openmediavault (debian) and it was mounted and had xfs filesystem. i was told that it would work just fine in another OS.. eg. ubuntu
[11:41] <ikonia> the gnome-ubuntu version is just gnome shell and not an official release,
[11:41] <cfhowlett_> ikonia, confuzed I am ... it's an "official" shell?
[11:42] <CatKiller> Dannermax: Ok, then "sudo apt-get install mdadm"
[11:42] <ikonia> cfhowlett_: sorry, I meant not an official ubuntu release/distribution
[11:42] <Dannermax> CatKiller: I have mdadm installed :)
[11:42] <k1l_> i thought the gnomebuntu was official spinoff now
[11:42] <CatKiller> then "mdadm --assemble /dev/md_d0 /dev/sd[a-e]
[11:42] <CatKiller> Provided the RAID has been created on sda, b, c, d, e
[11:42] <CatKiller> sudo that command too
[11:42] <ikonia> k1l_: no, it's a shambles
[11:42] <cfhowlett_> Dannermax, I think you're right.  ubuntugnome.org says "official flavor of ubuntu"
[11:43] <a1l3erto> hello
[11:43] <a1l3erto> is there any way to install a package from trusty into saucy? and to automatically update dependencies
[11:43] <cfhowlett_> a1l3erto, greetings
[11:43] <Dannermax> CatKiller: ok, but before i do that, can i show you the output of cat /proc/partitions  ?
[11:43] <ikonia> cfhowlett_: yeah, that's why it's on ubuntugnome.org with people asking for help because they don't have a team
[11:43] <ikonia> there isnothing official about it
[11:43] <CatKiller> Dannermax: Sure just use bpaste or something
[11:43] <k1l_> ikonia: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME says: Ubuntu GNOME is an official flavour of Ubuntu, featuring the GNOME desktop environment.
[11:43] <Dannermax> CatKiller: Im not absolutely sure, what sd? my 4 3tb disks are
[11:43] <Dannermax> CatKiller: ok, 1 sec
[11:44] <cfhowlett_> ikonia, yes, they even mention the lack of manpower on their site.
[11:44] <hitsujiTMO> ikonia: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/releases/saucy/release/ not official?
[11:44] <Dannermax> cfhowlett_ huh?
[11:44] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:45] <cfhowlett_> hitsujiTMO, that is the official cdimage
[11:45] <Dannermax> CatKilelr: http://pastebin.com/RjzKDQkc
[11:45] <yohanes> hello
[11:45] <cfhowlett_> yohanes, greetings
[11:45] <Dannermax> CatKiller: http://pastebin.com/RjzKDQkc
[11:46] <CatKiller> Dannermax: seems to me the 4 drives witrh the same large size are the ones you want
[11:46] <yohanes> thank you
[11:46] <excognac> hi ikonia. I'm on xubuntu 12.04 live dvd now. funny thing happened: After I started live session i had complete mess GUI. Then Ctrl+ALt+F1 for text mode. Then I just typed status lighdm, it said running. then then Alt+F7 for GUI. Magic> now it looks all fine
[11:46] <CatKiller> so sda, sdb, sdc, sdd
[11:46] <Dannermax> CatKiller: ok..perfect!
[11:46] <CatKiller> sudo mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 /dev/sd[a-b] /dev/sd[c-d]
[11:47] <CatKiller> if that doesn't work try /dev/sda /dev/sdb /dev/sdc etc
[11:47] <CatKiller> as opposed to /dev/sd[a-b]
[11:47] <Dannermax> CatKilelr: SO this should mount the Raid5 1 mountpoint?
[11:47] <Dannermax> CatKiller: ahh.. don't understand the command, so just want to be absolutely sure.. :)
[11:48] <CatKiller> Won't break anything if you use --assemble
[11:48] <Dannermax> CatKiller: ermm.. i mean, so this should mount it as a single mountpoint?
[11:48] <CatKiller> Won't mount it
[11:48] <CatKiller> it will assemble it
[11:48] <CatKiller> then you have to mount it
[11:48] <Dannermax> ahh
[11:48] <Dannermax> sec
[11:48] <CatKiller> it will "create" it
[11:48] <CatKiller> you will then have a /dev/md0 device
[11:48] <CatKiller> which is your RAID
[11:48] <FloodBot1> CatKiller: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:48] <philinux> ActionParsnip: whats happened to floodbot is it on strike?
[11:48] <Dannermax> oh my
[11:49] <Dannermax> mdadm: /dev/md0 has been started with 4 drives.
[11:49] <CatKiller> there you go
[11:50] <Dannermax> ok. then i need to mount it right?
[11:51] <Dannermax> CatKiller: Forgive me. You said that already. But what is the command
[11:52] <ActionParsnip> philinux: no idea matey, sorry
[11:52] <CatKiller> Command for what?
[11:52] <CatKiller> to mouny?
[11:52] <philinux> ActionParsnip: seems to have gone bye bye
[11:52] <CatKiller> to mount?
[11:52] <a1l3erto> is there any way to install a package from trusty into saucy? and to automatically update dependencies
[11:52] <Dannermax> CatKiller: Im a bit apprehensive, about using Webmin.. but i really like working in a UI
[11:53] <gvo> CatKiller: I think he means the mount command.
[11:53] <CatKiller> !mount | Dannermax
[11:53] <cfhowlett_> Dannermax, I believe webmin hit the "not recommended list" some time ago.  ask in #ubuntu-server
[11:53] <cfhowlett_> !webmin
[11:53] <excognac> ikonia, want me to play around a bit with this distro/environment? Or you busy right now
[11:54] <gvo> webmin might not be supported by debian et al, but it still works and is supported on debian by the author.
[11:54] <Dannermax> CatKiller: My goal, is to be able to share the harddrives through samba share
[11:54] <Dannermax> CatKiller: Sorry for not being specific enough.. im really new to all this
[11:55] <CatKiller> Dannermax: I was just helping for the RAID, now that your RAID is up, the rest will take some time
[11:55] <Dannermax> CatKiller: ok. Thanks for your help!!
[11:55] <k1l_> gvo: webmin was thrown out from debian and ubuntu due to the way webmin handles configfiles etc. no recommendation
[11:55] <CatKiller> But I found this on google: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/samba-fileserver.html
[11:55] <gvo> k1l_: I know but it works.
[11:56] <secundaria> q tal
[11:56] <secundaria> holaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[11:56] <k1l_> gvo: i dont support that :/
[11:56] <Dannermax> gvo: Is there another system similar to webmin, bt is supported by ubuntu?
[11:57] <secundaria> hablen ustedes
[11:57] <Dannermax> CatKiller: THanks.. ill check it out
[11:57] <gvo> k1l_: I have two remote Ubuntu sites using virtualmin/webmin to provide multiple virtual hosts
[11:57] <k1l_> !spanish | secundaria
[11:57] <cfhowlett_> !es|secundaria,
[11:57] <cfhowlett_> dangit kil!  you were just too quick for me
[11:57] <k1l_> gvo: programs dont get kicked out for no reason
[11:57] <gvo> cfhowlett_: Speed up thosf fingers.
[11:58] <k1l_> cfhowlett_: bit we were too slow for him :X
[11:59] <gvo> k1l_: I know that.  Because someone decided to not support a program doesn't mean it's not useful.
[11:59] <k1l_> gvo: you say it works for you. that is ok. but we in here support what is officially supported from ubuntu. and webmin is not
[12:00] <gvo> k1l_: Fine, I don't need ubuntu support.  I'm here to help.
[12:00] <cfhowlett_> gvo, not recommended but, it's your machine.  don't came back here asking for a fix to the predicted disaster.  good luck with that.
[12:02] <ikonia> k1l_: sorry was just on the phone, I suspect that wiki page is created by the project founder with hope, as the packages are being shipped in a PPA - it seems very unlikley that an official ubuntu release would ship it's packges in an Ubuntu PPA
[12:03] <k1l_> ikonia: afaik its official spinoff. the isos are on the cdimage.ubuntu.com server since 13.03
[12:05] <k1l_> ikonia: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-gnome/2013-March/000035.html
[12:08] <Alan502> Hey, i left ubuntu 13.04 upgrading all night and it hasn't finished yet. The distribution upgrade window seems to be frozen (grey-ish look) and it has been like this for at least half an hour. Is this normal?
[12:09] <cfhowlett_> Alan502, all NIGHT?  Not normal.
[12:09] <Alan502> cfhowlett_: yes, what should I do?
[12:10] <Alan502> cfhowlett_: is there anyway I can reverse it or should I just perform a ubntu re-sintall?
[12:10] <cfhowlett_> Alan502, get the torrents. download.  md5sum.  make a usb and clean install.
[12:10] <OerHeks> Alan502, try some alt + tab, maybe there is a hidden dialog window waiting
[12:11] <Alan502> wtf
[12:11] <Alan502> wait
[12:11] <cfhowlett_> OerHeks, I didn't even think of that, you're right.
[12:11] <Alan502> now
[12:11] <Alan502> x appears to be not working
[12:11] <Alan502> and the only thing i can see
[12:11] <Alan502> is firefox
[12:11] <FloodBot1> Alan502: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[12:11] <Alan502> i mean
[12:11] <Alan502> chrome
[12:11] <Touhou11> Doesn't Ubuntu implement dialogs like GNOME (and OS X) where they're attached to the relevant window?
[12:11] <cfhowlett_> d'oh!
[12:16] <philinux> How do you set lightning calendar as default?
[12:16] <hitsujiTMO> Touhou11: that's dependent on what type of dialog it is. (modal vs modeless)
[12:17] <pulsar78> regarding lirc: how come some remotes react to my ir-device and others wont ?
[12:20] <Squarepy> pulsar78, depends on modulation frequency and demodulated codes
[12:21] <Squarepy> I mean carrier frequency
[12:21] <Teleport> using UNetbootin for installing KXstudio 10.4.3 Via Removable USB, Boot says "Invalid or corrupt kernel image", Burned the ISO file to a blank DVD, boot says "No Default or UI configuration directive found!", I've already tried to rename "isolinux" to "syslinux"
[12:21] <cynicist> philinux: you can't set it directly since it's not a standalone app, but rather a thunderbird addon. If you want to set thunderbird as your default calendar client see here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/76921/how-do-i-set-lightning-as-the-default-calendar-app
[12:22] <cfhowlett_> Teleport, you'll find it easier to install vanilla kubuntu and then add the kxstudio packages
[12:22] <Teleport> cfhowlett_ so first Kubuntu then migrate?
[12:22] <philinux> cynicist: thanks for that.
[12:23] <cfhowlett_> Teleport, that'd be my recommendation.  full details should be on the kxstudio site
[12:23] <cynicist> philinux: if you are using google's service for your calendar you can also get integration with the gnome panel date applet by configuring both thunderbird and evolution, since google cal will just sync events between them
[12:24] <Teleport> cfhowlett_ but my time is very short and I have 1mbps internet
[12:26] <bibi346> If I change the motherboard of my computer, would I have to reinstall ubuntu?
[12:26] <Teleport> bibi346: No
[12:27] <cynicist> bibi346: no, because all of your drivers are in the kernel
[12:27] <Teleport> cynicist question
[12:27] <cynicist> bibi346: unlike windows where you are supposed to install them all
[12:27] <Teleport> cynicist: using UNetbootin for installing KXstudio 10.4.3 Via Removable USB, Boot says "Invalid or corrupt kernel image", Burned the ISO file to a blank DVD, boot says "No Default or UI configuration directive found!", I've already tried to rename "isolinux" to "syslinux"
[12:27] <Touhou11> cynicist: Not entirely true, recent versions of Windows come with a lot of drivers for common hardware
[12:28] <cynicist> Touhou11: and technically some linux drivers are in userspace, just speaking generally
[12:29] <Teleport> cynicist: any solution?
[12:29] <cynicist> Teleport: yeah I wouldn't use unetbootin
[12:29] <Teleport> cynicist: dd?
[12:29] <Teleport> or what?
[12:29] <cynicist> Teleport: yep, always dd
[12:30] <cynicist> Teleport: first use 'df -h' in order to find your usb drive if you don't know it already, then 'sudo dd if=inputfile.iso of=/path/to/usbdrive'
[12:31] <cfhowlett_> Teleport, do you have ubuntu installed?
[12:31] <Teleport> cfhowlett_ on my pc yes
[12:31] <hitsujiTMO> Teleport: You'd have to ask kxstudio why thier iso isn't working as expected
[12:31] <Teleport> but not my laptop
[12:31] <cfhowlett_> Teleport, add the kxstudio ppa's to that.  run update & dist-upgrade.  done.
[12:31] <Teleport> hitsujiTMO becuase the ydont answer
[12:31] <bibi346> cynicist: ok, so theorically, I can easily switch to another computer box with another motherboard, I just have to move all pieces (hard disk, graphical card, ...) right?
[12:31] <cynicist> Teleport: if it's not unetbootin your download may just be corrupted, I would use torrents in general for the automatic file integrity checking
[12:31] <cfhowlett_> Teleport, and THAT is why you should ubuntustudio.
[12:32] <Teleport> cfhowlett_ kubuntu > kxstudio is slow method
[12:32] <makara> hi. I'm following this article how to use a VPN. I've setup the VPN, but there's no information on connecting to it using Ubuntu's GUI setting. http://askubuntu.com/questions/119534/easiest-way-to-setup-ubuntu-as-a-vpn-server
[12:32] <Teleport> cfhowlett_ I need ardour 3
[12:32] <cfhowlett_> Teleport, ardour3 is in 13.10 IIRC
[12:32] <cynicist> bibi346: yeah I've done it many times, the only issue I've ever had is when hardware is too new and lacks proper support
[12:32] <Teleport> cfhowlett_ and cadence +rakrrack
[12:33] <hitsujiTMO> !info ardour3
[12:33] <makara> for the gateway I've simply put the raw IPv4 address of my server. It's not connecting
[12:33] <bibi346> cynicist: ok thx
[12:33] <cynicist> bibi346: won't be a problem for a motherboard chipset though, those are well supported
[12:33] <Teleport> cynicist: I've downloaded with Internet download manager
[12:33] <cynicist> bibi346: yw
[12:33] <cynicist> Teleport: the iso could be corrupted, if they list the hash for it you can use md5sum on the iso to check if it matches
[12:34] <cfhowlett_> Teleport, ubuntu + kubuntu-desktop = kubuntu.  kubuntu+kxstudio ppa's = kxstudio.   BUT as you already know kxstudio wont' support you ... why?  your machines, your choice.  ardour 3 will be default in ubuntustudio 14.04 and ardour 2 works
[12:34] <cynicist> Teleport: or it could be unetbootin failing, that's why I suggest using dd
[12:34] <Teleport> cynicist I'll try to take ubuntu studio
[12:34] <pulsar78> anyone good with lirc ?
[12:35] <Teleport> cfhowlett_ but which version did you say again?
[12:35] <hitsujiTMO> Teleport: why not just use an OS that actually has support like kubuntu and then install kxstudio on it?
[12:35] <makara> pulsar78, try #freenode
[12:35] <Teleport> hitsujiTMO: this is what I have on my pc
[12:35] <Teleport> but not my laptop
[12:35] <Teleport> heading to take ubuntu studio
[12:36] <Teleport> cheers all
[12:36] <Teleport> cya
[12:36] <cfhowlett_> Teleport, best of luck.
[12:36] <pulsar78> makara: what do you mean ?
[12:36] <Teleport> cfhowlett_ btw which version do you offer?
[12:37] <cfhowlett_> Teleport, offer?  you mean use, right?  I'm on Ubuntustudio 12.04 - I only install LTS, lot's fewer headaches.  Been on US since it first came out.
[12:37] <philinux> makara:  lirc is ifra red remote
[12:37] <troulouliou_dev> hi i have a ubuntu server 12.04 32 bits and i would like to upgrade it to 13.04 however do-release-upgrade do not show me any upgrade;
[12:38] <Teleport> cfhowlett_ ah same here okay thanks
[12:38] <cfhowlett_> troulouliou_dev, it won't.  you can only directly upgrade to 12.10 then to 13.04
[12:38] <makara> i see, not www.vonnieda.org/software/lirc
[12:38] <nickVSS> Hello man
[12:39] <cfhowlett_> troulouliou_dev, and since the current release is 13.10, you have to clean install 13.04.  do-release-upgrade won't get you there.
[12:39] <troulouliou_dev> cfhowlett_, found it i had to edit prompt=normal in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[12:39] <cfhowlett_> troulouliou_dev, so it works now?
[12:39] <troulouliou_dev> cfhowlett_, yes it was stick to lts
[12:40] <cfhowlett_> troulouliou_dev, LTS is usually recommended for servers ...
[12:40] <troulouliou_dev> thats theory :)
[13:03] <ActionParsnip> troulouliou_dev: you need to edit a file so it looks for the inbetwenen versions, between the LTS
[13:03] <ActionParsnip> troulouliou_dev: you do know that Trusty is out in April and you can upgrade to that in one jump. Any particular reason to leave the LTS>
[13:03] <troulouliou_dev> ActionParsnip, found it thak swas in  /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[13:04] <ActionParsnip> troulouliou_dev: just seems weird, specially for a server
[13:05] <troulouliou_dev> ActionParsnip, there is a bug in recent kernel that will prevent me from upgrading to 14.04, so i  compiled my own 3.12 kernel and guess it is better to upgrade to 13.10 aleady
[13:05] <dfcnvt> Just recently, I upgraded my system and learned that it crashed....
[13:06] <troulouliou_dev> ActionParsnip, i just need it for an adsl gateway with ppoe/iptables/tc / snort and banyard2
[13:06] <dfcnvt> On this system... I'm lucky to figure out to get myself on the terminal and use irssi and connect to this channel.
[13:07] <troulouliou_dev> ActionParsnip, it is possible to swithc from 12.04 to 14..04 without installing 12.10/13.04/13.10 ??
[13:09] <dfcnvt> I am currently on safe-mode... Anybody know how to switch to read/write mode and get back to apt-get upgrade?
[13:09] <OerHeks> troulouliou_dev, no
[13:09] <twisted`> FloodBot2: f off
[13:10] <twisted`> ok @#%&@$*^ with those floodbots
[13:10] <icardi94> ciao
[13:12] <icardi94> :list
[13:12] <k1l_> !list | icardi94
[13:12] <cynicist> dfcnvt: 'mount -o rw,remount /'
[13:18] <troulouliou_dev> OerHeks, ok ActionParsnip seem to tell the opposite wanted to be sure :)
[13:19] <dfcnvt> cynicist: Thanks, I will try it out.
[13:19] <OerHeks> troulouliou_dev, no he does not. you can jump from lts to lts.
[13:19] <OerHeks> but you have to wait untill 14.04 lts comes out
[13:19] <troulouliou_dev> OerHeks, ha yes sure, didn't know that
[13:20] <troulouliou_dev> i tought intermediate where mandatory
[13:20] <k1l_> OerHeks: actually its 14.04.1 until LTS upgrade will work
[13:20] <ActionParsnip> troulouliou_dev: you can go diurect to 14.04 from 12.04 as it is LTS to LTS and is supported
[13:20] <ActionParsnip> troulouliou_dev: if you wnat 13.10 you will need to upgrade through each release in turn
[13:21] <troulouliou_dev> ActionParsnip, ok didn't know that lts to lts jump where allowded
[13:21] <troulouliou_dev> that great then
[13:21] <ActionParsnip> troulouliou_dev: absolutely, its why LTS is great for servers :)
[13:21] <troulouliou_dev> don't even have to bother with 12.10...13.10
[13:21] <troulouliou_dev> ActionParsnip, indeed yes
[13:23] <cfhowlett> troulouliou_dev, read more.  update less.
[13:28] <Richhh> still getting DRDY ERR booting gparted / ATA IO errors installing/trying (l)ubuntu, have tried changing SATA cables and ports, redetecting HD in bios, replacing HDD with new Western Digital drive, tried msdos and gpt tables, tried ext3 and ext4 file systems, guessing its a hardware problem with the motherboard, so i'll need to replace that, right?
[13:32] <OerHeks> Richhh, last resort: check your bios, see if the sata controller is set to AHCI, not ide mode
[13:32] <Richhh> ok
[13:37] <Richhh> ATA modes are IDE (selected) and RAID only
[13:39] <Pricey> !abs
[13:41] <Richhh> interestingly memtest86 always reboots before completion on its first run, later runs complete with errors, 'check disc for errors' reports 1 error found on first run, no errors on later runs
[13:42] <Richhh> still getting read errors  when trying to install lubuntu
[13:42] <ActionParsnip> Richhh: you sure the drive is healthy?
[13:42] <compdoc> Richhh, you need to read the drive's SMART info
[13:42] <ActionParsnip> Richhh: have you tested it using the manufacturers too on the ultimate boot cd?
[13:42] <Richhh> the hdd is brand new, its showing the same errors as the last drive
[13:43] <compdoc> thats not good
[13:43] <Number5> Hello guys, is there a commandline tool to read a codesnippet from a service like pastebin? This way, I could read snippets and paste it in Vim or some other text editors.
[13:43] <OerHeks> Richhh, then your motherboard is faulty or your memory.
[13:43] <nabn> hi. i am using gnome-session-fallback (no effects) on an installation of ubuntu 13.04. I just  did this to my power/wifi/settings indicators on the top right : alt-right click-remove from panel. How do i restore those indicators please?
[13:43] <compdoc> Richhh, any bad caps on the motherboard
[13:43] <compdoc> ?
[13:43] <Richhh> error reading /lib/udev/hwdb.bin: No such file or directory
[13:43] <Richhh> ill check
[13:44] <Richhh> (compdoc)
[13:44] <Richhh> correction: interestingly memtest86 always reboots before completion on its first run, later runs complete ***without*** errors, 'check disc for errors' reports 1 error found on first run, no errors on later runs
[13:45] <dfcnvt> cynicist: Thank you! I ran 'mount -o rw,remount /' then 'apt-get upgrade' It worked like a charm!!! I'm currently back on the normal system. Able to get on desktop and can access to everything. Whew!
[13:45] <compdoc> Richhh, the PSU could be suspect as well
[13:45] <cynicist> dfcnvt: great man I'm glad I could help :)
[13:51] <Richhh> i have another psu i can try
[13:51] <cynicist> Richhh: sounds like your hard drive is going bad, you can get a diagnostic tool from the manufacturer of your hd in order to be certain
[13:51] <Richhh> doubtful since its new and giving the same errors as the previous (which was working in windows)
[13:52] <dfcnvt> Is there a way to upgrade the priority? LIke, only upgrade core system and ignore the rest of miscellaeous software. So, I can save trouble the next time I upgrade it.
[13:53] <Nach0z> dfcnvt: theoretically you could just specify what packages you want to upgrade
[13:53] <Nach0z> and it'll upgrade those along with requirements for those
[13:55] <cynicist> Richhh: well if it is new it may just be a kernel bug, try booting with 'acpi=off noapic'
[13:55] <Richhh> tried
[13:56] <dfcnvt> Nach0z: I sense the way it upgraded is completely wrong. It should be a priority order rather than all software because sometime it tend to interrupted and screw the entire system.
[13:57] <cfhowlett_> dfcnvt, see system > update manger settings
[13:57] <cynicist> Richh: mind linking to the output of dmesg on pastebin?
[13:57] <Richhh> ok
[13:57] <hongker> hello
[13:58] <Nach0z> dfcnvt: I've never seen upgrades interrupt themselves on my systems
[13:59] <cynicist> dfcnvt: right now this distinction doesn't exist, though I think I read that canonical may try to implement it in the future
[13:59] <RebootKidd> Hello everyone
[13:59] <RebootKidd> Hello everyone.  trying to run a perl script in xchat and I get this error " Unknown file type Maybe you need to install the Perl or Python plugin"  Any thoughts
[14:00] <pluesch0r> hi everybody. i'm on ubuntu precise here, got a question concerning the removal of old kernels.
[14:01] <cynicist> RebootKidd: http://xchat.org/faq/#q216
[14:02] <pluesch0r> my boxes have been running for a while now and i'd like to remove all kernels that are not being used anymore. i've noticed that /etc/kernel/postinst.d/apt-auto-removal is already massaging apt configs to not remove the current and the two latest kernels (via generating /etc/apt//apt.conf.d/01autoremove-kernels). but how do i actually remove the old kernels? apt-get autoremove doesn't try to dump them.
[14:04] <RebootKidd> cynicist thank you for the link but I have tried that and I show perl is running
[14:04] <dfcnvt> Nach0z: In my lifetime I've experienced it five time whenever I allow it to upgrade to new kernel / OS's version.
[14:04] <dfcnvt> Thanks anyway, I am okay with what I have now.
[14:04] <dfcnvt> Alright, i'm out.
[14:04] <chabsgrabs9> hey, how do I remove a symbolic link ? I created this link using this command "ln -sf /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libudev.so.1 /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libudev.so.0" and need to remove it,
[14:05] <pluesch0r> oh .. i think i'm experiencing this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptdaemon/+bug/1157746
[14:05] <chabsgrabs9> if anyone can help that would be amazing
[14:05] <cynicist> pluesch0r: Use 'dpkg -l|grep linux-image-' to list your installed kernels and then you can use 'sudo apt-get autoremove linux-image-(version)' to remove the older ones
[14:07] <cynicist> RebootKidd: then besides reloading it I'm not sure what is going on :\
[14:07] <pluesch0r> cynicist: the idea is to not having to do this manually. i haven't installed any kernels by hand .. but still, they're being listed when i execute apt-mark showmanual | grep linux-image
[14:07] <pluesch0r> so .. how do i fix this?
[14:08] <Nach0z> ... :|
[14:08] <Nach0z> dfcnvt left way too fast
[14:09] <pluesch0r> cynicist: when i execute "apt-get autoremove linux-image*" it also lists the kernels explicitly configured as "NeverAutoRemove" in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove-kernels
[14:12] <cynicist> pluesch0r: I assumed you wanted to remove a kernel manually, afaik ubuntu already has a script that holds back the last 3 installed kernels, that's why apt generated that file to prohibit their removal
[14:13] <bamdad> Hi
[14:13] <bamdad> What is this path being used for : /usr/share/python-apt/templates/Ubuntu.mirrors
[14:13] <pluesch0r> cynicist: as i stated before: i see the autoremove prohibit stuff and so on. but when i issue apt-get autoremove, the kernels that should be listed aren't.
[14:13] <cynicist> pluesch0r: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[14:14] <cfhowlett> pluesch0r, autoremove doesn't remove kernels so far as I know
[14:14] <h0m1x> Hi
[14:14] <pluesch0r> they've been piling up since linux-image-2.6.32-22-server
[14:14] <cfhowlett> h0m1x, greetings
[14:14] <yassine_> hello
[14:14] <cfhowlett> pluesch0r, list them and manuall remove em
[14:14] <pluesch0r> cfhowlett: how do i autoremove them, then? or .. what's the reason for setting up the whole autoremove apt config shebang in the first place, then?
[14:14] <pluesch0r> there has to be a reason for those postinst hooks.
[14:14] <h0m1x> I have atheros 9287 wireless driver, now I've installed aircrack on ubuntu which doesn't show me the interface how can I make sure the ubuntu has recognized the wirelesss driver?
[14:14] <pluesch0r> according to the bug report i've posted before, it should also be working.
[14:15] <pluesch0r> just trying to find out why it isn't working on my side. got 200+ boxes with several gigabytes of unused kernel images clogging the disks.
[14:15] <cfhowlett> pluesch0r, again, autoremove kills orphaned programs - NOT essential kernels.  dpkg --get selections | grep linux-image
[14:15] <h0m1x> Can someone possibly reply? it's urgent.
[14:16] <cfhowlett> pluesch0r, then sudo apt-get purge linux-image-*.*.*.8
[14:16] <pluesch0r> cfhowlett: they are listed 'install'
[14:16] <cfhowlett> pluesch0r, how many?
[14:16] <cfhowlett> pluesch0r, never mind.  Personally, I'd recommend you keep the most recent 3.
[14:17] <pluesch0r> cfhowlett: 28
[14:17] <cfhowlett> h0m1x, aircrack isn't supported here.  sorry.
[14:17] <pluesch0r> cfhowlett: that's what i'm trying to do.
[14:17] <pluesch0r> cfhowlett: i know that i can just write a script to do this, don't get me wrong. if this was just one box i wouldn't bother.
[14:18] <pluesch0r> cfhowlett: but it seems to me that all the mechanisms are in place to keep the two latest + the currently running kernel when issuing 'apt-get autoremove' or god-knows-what-other command.
[14:18] <pluesch0r> cfhowlett: otherwise, those kernel versions wouldn't explicitly be listed in the apt configuration.
[14:19] <cynicist> pluesch0r: ah I see someone had a similar issue, where his kernels were being marked as manually installed and that caused the apt autoremoval script to ignore them
[14:19] <h0m1x> cfhowlett: It's not the matter of aircrack its the matter of the capability of ubuntu to recognize the wireless driver.
[14:19] <cfhowlett> pluesch0r, I was unware you were scripting.  sorry.  way over my head.
[14:19] <cfhowlett> !atheros
[14:19] <h0m1x> any wireless driver for the atheros? how can I make sure that the ubuntu has recognized the atheros 9287?
[14:19] <cynicist> pluesch0r: his solution was to add a postinstall script to change the flag to automatic so the script would pick them up
[14:20] <pluesch0r> cynicist: yeah, that's the link that i posted before. but they were doing some FAI stuff; that's not us.
[14:20] <cynicist> pluesch0r: https://bugs.launchpad.net/aptdaemon/+bug/1078544
[14:20] <OerHeks> h0m1x, lolz why is cracking urgent?
[14:21] <pluesch0r> cynicist: for example, linux-image-3.2.0-40-generic is marked as auto over here. it's still not being autoremoved. it's also not listed as being protected in the apt.conf stuff
[14:21] <cfhowlett> OerHeks, netflix dr. who
[14:21] <cynicist> pluesch0r: well it was mentioned that it could be an apt bug
[14:21] <h0m1x> OerHeks: Cracking is not urgent, having the internet via ubuntu is urgent.
[14:22] <pluesch0r> cfhowlett: no worries. scripting would be my last resort. from what i've in the system it seems that this should happen automatically, but it isn't happening.
[14:22] <h0m1x> OerHeks: And of course it's none of your damn business!
[14:22] <cynicist> pluesch0r: not necessarily related to the FAI stuff
[14:23] <pluesch0r> cynicist: we're not using FAI. this is just plain vanilla ubuntu. there are kernel images marked as manually installed, yes .. but there are also some that are being marked as "auto" and that still won't uninstall.
[14:24] <cynicist> pluesch0r: yeah you are missing my point, I know you are not using FAI, what I'm saying is you may be running into a bug in some part of the apt process, the link above was just one example
[14:24] <philinux> Adobe acroread on ubuntu 13.10 - whats the correct way to get this now?
[14:25] <pluesch0r> cynicist: gotcha. that was the reason why i came here in the first place. :)
[14:25] <pluesch0r> cynicist: i'll just write a script that removes all kernels but the ones being listed in that apt.conf file. *sigh*
[14:26] <OerHeks> philinux, sudo apt-get install acroread
[14:26] <philinux> OerHeks: not in any repo now thanks
[14:26] <philinux> not in extra partner
[14:27] <bgardner> h0m1x: Did you see the link that cfhowlett gave you?
[14:28] <h0m1x> bgardner: I'm checking
[14:28] <OerHeks> oh acroread is gone with 13.10, good. there are plenty pdf readers, evince as standard
[14:29] <Touhou11> You can download the official Acrobat reader from the Adobe site still
[14:30] <OerHeks> philinux, There is an topic full of help, howto install acroread from adobe and what to do when it fails > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2181100
[14:33] <philinux> OerHeks: got that now. I download from adobe. Gdebi is doing it's stuff
[14:34] <Richhh> cynicist permissed denied trying to write to my pen drive
[14:34] <Richhh> (from gparted's terminal)
[14:34] <Richhh> permission*
[14:35] <philinux> OerHeks: all dependecies satisfied and it works (64 bit ubuntu)
[14:35] <cynicist> Richhh: you mean from the gparted livecd?
[14:35] <stewbuntu> hello - I have a question, anyone available
[14:35] <Richhh> yep
[14:35] <stewbuntu> I tried to install ubuntu dual boot and messed up and installed it over my OS, well the dual boot screen I think called grub 2 was mia, So I added ubuntu to an external hardrive via live cd and booted the external HDD and wala the old windows drive was there so I saved everything I needed to a 2nd external. So, I forgot to take of external #2 and put in my recovery disks to start a fresh windows 7 os and start all over and get ubu
[14:35] <cynicist> Richhh: use 'sudo su' first to get a root terminal
[14:36] <kl]starklawd> hi! how can i find out what kind of audio server a machine uses?
[14:36] <cynicist> Richhh: or just su, not sure how that livecd is configured
[14:36] <Richhh> worked thanks
[14:36] <cynicist> Richhh: np
[14:36] <zykotick9> cynicist: DON'T suggest sudo su!  Richhh use "sudo -i" instead
[14:36] <OerHeks> philinux, have fun!
[14:37] <cynicist> zykotick9: he's using a livecd
[14:37] <zykotick9> cynicist: still...  bad advice
[14:37] <Richhh> ok noted
[14:37] <railsraider> Hi, I have 14 upstart jobs, each is very intensive CPU load, i need to find a way to restart all of them in batch one by one cause if i try to run all of them the server is dead until it finish
[14:37] <cynicist> zykotick9: not really
[14:38] <OerHeks> cynicist, zykotick9 is right, it is.
[14:39] <cynicist> OerHeks: that only matters if you are concerned about root taking over your user files, since he is on a livecd without a user account at all it doesn't make a difference how he gets to root
[14:39] <stewbuntu> fyi all old posts in forums have still lead me to the grub rescue line
[14:39] <linuxuz3r> how do i fix my flash player colors
[14:39] <zykotick9> cynicist: then suggest "sudo -i", DON'T teach people the wrong method (they'll use it when they aren't suppose to, and break things!)
[14:40] <philinux> OerHeks: I mainly use evince but the occasional complicated pdf is beyond it.
[14:40] <gvo> what can't you break with sudo that you can with su?
[14:40] <cynicist> zykotick9: or they will come to this channel and ask, like he did
[14:41] <linuxuz3r> i have incorrect video colors how do i fix this
[14:42] <linuxuz3r> anyone
[14:43] <stewbuntu> bios is set, live cd or recovery cd will not boot before grub rescue screen. what now?
[14:43] <Touhou11> linuxuz3r: How incorrect? Slightly out, or drastically wrong
[14:43] <Richhh> cynicist http://pastebin.com/vDf73h5h
[14:43] <linuxuz3r> Touhou11, people are colored blue
[14:47] <sgo11> Hi, I have two machines. Two have the same ubuntu version and kernel version. I added a module by compiling the kernel in one machine. it's a pen tablet module. it works fine in that machine. Now, I copy the kernel .deb packages to the second machine and install the compiled .deb kernel directly. The module works with a problem. can anyone tell me why? how to fix? do I have to compile the kernel in every m
[14:47] <sgo11> achine for this purpose? thanks.
[14:47] <stewbuntu> I tried to install ubuntu dual boot and messed up and installed it over my OS, well the dual boot screen I think called grub 2 was mia, So I added ubuntu to an external hardrive via live cd and booted the external HDD and wala the old windows drive was there so I saved everything I needed to a 2nd external. So, I forgot to take of external #2 and put in my recovery disks to start a fresh windows 7 os and start all over and get ubu
[14:48] <stewbuntu>  The copy my files. I went to boot windows and realized the external was still connected when it booted ubuntu even after post recovery was done and the 3rd cd popped out. Dooh :( so now I unplug external #1 and try to boot = grub rescue, try recovery cd with bios set to boot cd 1st = grub rescue, every cd including the live cd will not boot and it goes to grub rescue.
[14:49] <stewbuntu> I can always put in the external and boot. The cd's will not boot even with the bios set and external #1 connected. Now that I have the data I just need to get passed this grub rescue screen and get new installations going. How can I get this to work? I think I have layers upon layers messed up now. I did choose the external drive when it asked where to load the ubuntu bootloader with external drive#1 when I saved my data original
[14:49] <stewbuntu> drives/partitions when I booted from the external #1 originally
[14:50] <newbie_87D> how ! i just downloaded a theme package. how to install  it without using the tweak tool
[14:50] <Richhh> cynicist any ideas?
[14:51] <cynicist> Richhh: yeah, first of all it's your cd drive that is having issues
[14:51] <cynicist> Richhh: can't tell if it is a kernel bug/regression, bios, firmware, or cabling but it is one of those
[14:51] <stewbuntu> just plugged in an external cd drive
[14:52] <stewbuntu> nothing
[14:52] <stewbuntu> bios reads it htough
[14:52] <stewbuntu> though
[14:52] <stewbuntu> can i run code from grub rescue line?
[14:54] <stewbuntu> can I wipe the boot loader on the internal HDD when booting from the external
[14:55] <cynicist> Richhh: my advice would be to use another computer to create a usb boot disk and install from that instead of trying to use a cd
[14:55] <stewbuntu> ok I work on that
[14:55] <stewbuntu> THANKS
[14:55] <Richhh> i didnt check the motherboard caps yet
[14:56] <stewbuntu> DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT
[14:56] <cynicist> Richhh: I think it's likely some bug affecting your particular cd drive
[14:56] <Richhh> has a mobo problem been ruled out?
[14:56] <stewbuntu> mobno issue
[14:56] <stewbuntu> mobo
[14:56] <stewbuntu> worked yesterday
[14:56] <Richhh> cynicist the previous DVD drive did not read the ubuntu disc at all, i replaced with another and it read
[14:56] <Richhh> (but with io errors, wasnt sure if they were dvd drive related)
[14:56] <cynicist> Richh: could be the data cable to your cd drive, like I said I would just use a usb disk
[14:56] <Richhh> ok
[14:57] <Richhh> thx
[14:57] <cynicist> Richh: the dmesg you linked indicated the io errors were related to the drive you used
[14:57] <cynicist> Richh: np
[14:57] <odla> hi, i just logged into gmail for the first time on ubuntu and asked me to install some extra stuff for gmail. can someone tell me what this is?
[14:57] <Richhh> (optical drive?)
[14:57] <cynicist> Richhh: yeah sorry to be clear, your optical not your hard drive
[14:57] <Richhh> ok
[14:58] <odla> it add a launcher to my panel
[14:58] <odla> did it install anything else? can i just remove the launcher?
[14:58] <cynicist> odla: it's called a web app, basically a launcher on your panel that will open the site directly
[14:58] <Pumpkin-_> win 14
[14:58] <Pumpkin-_> asfdasfa
[14:59] <odla> cynicist: so it just created a launcher? it didn't install anything from the ubuntu repos (i.e. it didn't do some apt-get magic?)
[14:59] <Celestar> I just upgraded from 13.04 to 13.10. Now gnome/unity is not starting at all. In XFCE4, when starting the appfinder, I get this error:  Failed to open window: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[14:59] <Celestar> What am I doing wrong there...
[14:59] <cynicist> odla: no it definitely installed using apt, specifically the unity-webapps-gmail package
[14:59] <odla> cynicist: ah
[15:00] <cynicist> odla: you can remove it or just remove the launcher, no harm
[15:00] <odla> cynicist: thanks
[15:00] <cynicist> odla: if you want to disable that functionality just go to firefox preferences > general and uncheck "Prompt integration options for any website"
[15:00] <cynicist> odla: np
[15:01] <Celestar> it feels like some ibus/dbus permission problem, so if anyone has a smart idea how to fix that, I'm all ears :P
[15:02] <helmut_> hi
[15:19] <Danato> can anybody tell me how to fix this?
[15:19] <Danato> configure: error: ConsoleKit autoconfigured, but systemd is in use (missing libsystemd-login pkg-config?)
[15:20] <Guest73938> test
[15:21] <Danato> Guest73938: your test didnt work :P
[15:21] <Guest73938> hi
[15:21] <Guest73938> test
[15:21] <Danato> didnt work again
[15:24] <andyc> anyone have experience with sshfs and fstab?  I'm struggling to get it to automount
[15:25] <andyc> (on startup)
[15:25] <ActionParsnip> andyc: if you have the entry, does it mount if you run:  sudo mount -a
[15:25] <andyc> ActionParsnip, yes
[15:26] <ActionParsnip> andyc: add that command in /etc/rc.local   but above the 'exit 0' line and it will mount
[15:26] <dagle> When I do an uefi ubuntu install at my friends computer, grub goes droping to shell and wont boot the installed ubuntu. Where should I start to debug? I could just install everything manually but I don't want to maintain the machine more than I am (and he should be able to reinstall in the future etc).
[15:27] <andyc> ActionParsnip, Do I need sudo or is that run as root?
[15:27] <dagle> I can't even seem to find an error, just grub dropping to a shell.
[15:27] <Pumpkin-_> 100./win 21
[15:27] <andyc> guess it doesn't really matter
[15:27] <Pumpkin-_> asfihasfhafs
[15:46] <Lockzi> Hello, I am having problems in Ubuntu 13.04 that it tries to mount my CIFS shares in /etc/fstab before the network is up. What's the best way to solve this? I also want to make sure that my services are not started before the network interface is up and that these shares has been mounted - thus, is there a way to prioritise network interface?
[15:52] <bgardner> andyc: rc.local runs as root.
[15:52] <optraz> hi, after upgraded to saucy, i cannot reach the webpage anymore
[15:52] <optraz> any idea why?
[15:54] <andyc> bgardner, It still doesn't work for some reason.
[15:54] <andyc> Will only mount after boot with sudo mount -a
[15:55] <andyc> Quite annoying but not the end of the world
[15:56] <sebas_> hello all
[15:57] <bgardner> andyc: I suppose the "Right Way" would be to make it an upstart job with defined dependencies, but I don't know how to do that.  Perhaps you can make a script that says 'sleep 5000; mount -a' and then call that from rc.local (giving it as scriptname&).  Comments from others as to how sane this idea is?
[15:57] <sebas_> Is there a way to hide the mouse cursor while typing? I use a Desktop machine and no laptop so I cannot do the touchpad option.
[15:58] <optraz> any extra repository for ubuntu?
[15:58] <bgardner> andyc: Sorry, that's sleep 5, not sleep 5000.
[15:58] <andyc> Actually referring to http://superuser.com/questions/669287/automount-sshfs-using-fstab-without-mount-a, it appears someone with 13.10 is having a similar problem
[15:59] <sebas_> I googled for it for a long time but cannot find anything about hiding mousecursor. I do find a lot about the touchpad option but that's for laptop if I understand correctly.
[16:01] <fishbrain> hello
[16:01] <fishbrain> i kinda screwed up my Xorg or something
[16:01] <zykotick9> sebas_: i've never heard of an option for hiding mouse cursor (except for touchpads), that's not to say it doesn't exist though... good luck.
[16:01] <BvL> sebas_ which version of ubuntu are you using?
[16:01] <fishbrain> it worked ok until i installed fglrx. it didn't work so i removed it with 'sudo apt-get remove fglrx' and now after login i only get the background screen
[16:02] <fishbrain> 13.04
[16:02] <fishbrain> no launcher or top bar or nothing :O
[16:02] <sebas_> zykotick9: weird eh? Am I the only one that finds this feature handy? thanx for replying though
[16:02] <sebas_> BvL: 13.10
[16:03] <BvL> sebas_ i have an idea ill test it out on my end
[16:03] <fishbrain> anyone know how i can get my desktop back :O
[16:04] <sebas_> BvL: thanx!
[16:05] <flappy> heyo
[16:07] <flappy> Anyone know anything about 13.10 suddenly not recognizing input devices/screens on boot
[16:08] <fishbrain> can anyone help me get my desktop back ?
[16:08] <adamk> fishbrain: Pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file.
[16:09] <BluesKaj> fishbrain. what error , or just a blinking cursor ?
[16:09] <fishbrain> cursor and the background pic
[16:09] <fishbrain> using irssi on tty1 now to get here :)
[16:09] <fishbrain> login screen is fine
[16:10] <fishbrain> but when i login the top bar disappears and i get no launcher
[16:10] <BluesKaj> so you have a tty , have you tried startx , fishbrain ?
[16:10] <fishbrain> admak can't pastebin
[16:10] <flappy> I'm having much the same problem as fishbrain
[16:10] <adamk> fishbrain: Why not?
[16:11] <fishbrain> adamk with what? :O
[16:11] <adamk> fishbrain: pastebinit
[16:11] <fishbrain> startx just asks my password and same result
[16:11] <flappy> Booting brings up the screen/input device not recognized error box, then some selections that show no actual errors from what I see
[16:11] <fishbrain> also killing Xorg restarts it and takes me back to login screen
[16:12] <zykotick9> BluesKaj: <sorry, i'm on a personal campaign with this right now> blease don't use tty to mean "console/linux console/VT" - a tty is ANY terminal.  console or xorg...  using the wrong terms for things, makes everyones lives more difficult (in the long run)
[16:12] <adamk> fishbrain: It's likely either a problem with your drivers, or a configuration problem with unity.  Your Xorg log file will rule out or confirm if it's a video driver issue.
[16:13] <fishbrain> it worked fine until i installed fglrx. which didn't work so i removed it.
[16:13] <flappy> Starting X via commandline on tty5 gives me the normal-style screen without the top bar.
[16:13] <adamk> fishbrain: So, again, pastebin your Xorg log file.
[16:13] <flappy> Should I paste my xorg log too, adamk?
[16:13] <BluesKaj> zykotick9. ok does virtual terminal sound right ? , some ppl might not know what the correct term is , including me
[16:14] <adamk> flappy: Sure, why not.
[16:14] <adamk> I'm feeling generous today.
[16:14] <flappy> Great, thank
[16:14] <flappy> s
[16:14] <BvL> sebas_: The auto hiding of the curse is app specific, there is no os wide setting for this
[16:14] <hitsujiTMO> fishbrain: how exactly did you install fglrx and how exactly did you remove it?
[16:14] <fishbrain> adamk how? :) sorry
[16:15] <adamk> fishbrain: again, use pastebinit.
[16:15] <fishbrain> hitsujiTMO: install 'sudo apt-get install fglrx' and removed with 'sudo apt-get remove fglrx'
[16:15] <BvL> sebas_: thats what it looks like at least
[16:16] <zykotick9> BluesKaj: i "understand" the commonly "tty" is meant as the console on F1 to F6 by default... but this is actually _incorrect_ usage, so, in a way i'm asking what we should "correctly" refer to them as.  The options are console, linux console, virtual terminal (vt)...  i can't think of any others right now ;)
[16:16] <hitsujiTMO> fishbrain: sudo apt-get install pastebinit && pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[16:16] <BvL> Correction > (11:14:29 AM) BvL: sebas_: The auto hiding of the  *cursor* is app specific, there is no os wide setting for this
[16:17] <BluesKaj> zykotick9.  let's just accept the fact that TTY is linuc vernacular , a misnomer maybe , but still in common use for the virtual terminal afaik
[16:18] <Faryshta> hi. can you recommend me a tool for UML modeling on ubuntu?
[16:18] <BluesKaj> linuc=linux
[16:18] <hitsujiTMO> fishbrain: it would prob help to get the dmesg too: dmesg | pastebinit
[16:18] <fishbrain> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6416535/
[16:18] <fishbrain> there :)
[16:18] <fishbrain> had to install pastebinit first
[16:19] <zykotick9> BluesKaj: sorry, error, does not compute ;)  i'll drop it... for now ;)  "echo $TERM" in a console, it return's "linux" 'cause that's what it really is (FYI, linux consoles are "weak", pretty much everyone has given up on them)
[16:20] <adamk> fishbrain: Well your driver appears to be installed just fine, thankfully.
[16:20] <flappy> http:/paste.ubuntu.com/6416548
[16:20] <adamk> fishbrain: Which leads me to believe that there's a configuration problem with Unity.
[16:21] <fishbrain> adamk: fglrx install/remove messed it up?
[16:21] <fishbrain> can i reinstall unity or something?
[16:21] <flappy> and dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6416556
[16:22] <hitsujiTMO> fishbrain: what version of ubuntu are you using?
[16:22] <fishbrain> 13.04
[16:22] <sebas__> BvL: Thanks for checking!
[16:22] <hitsujiTMO> fishbrain: sudo apt-get install dconf-tools && dconf reset -f /org/compiz/
[16:22] <the_drow> Hi guys, I'm trying to install a python dependency using pip and I'm getting fatal error: limits.h: No such file or directory from gcc.
[16:23] <BvL> sebas__: np
[16:23] <kusumahdilaga> blinking cursor after install GNOME 3.10.1 in ubuntu 13.10 you can fix it in terminal 'gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.cursor active false' dont forget logout and try to login again
[16:23] <the_drow> What's missing exactly? I have installed linux-libc-dev
[16:24] <deveras> hi. Just installed NTP, the service is running, but running ntpd -q gives me no output. Is there a way for me to check if the synchronisation has been completed?
[16:24] <SuperLag> What is the closed-source binary for ATI/AMD video cards? Catalyst?
[16:24] <adamk> SuperLag: Catalyst aka fglrx
[16:25] <SuperLag> Is this something you can download and install from the amd.com websit? or is it like nvidia, where you want to use the distro's packaged version?
[16:25] <SuperLag> website, that is
[16:25] <fishbrain> hitsujiTMO: 'i get a Child process exited with code 1' when doing dconf reset -f /org/compiz
[16:26] <Anwar> any fellow swedes around?
[16:27] <BvL> does anyone here know lightdm? i need to fix it
[16:27] <BvL> it was broken on install
[16:28] <fishbrain> ..
[16:29] <hitsujiTMO> fishbrain: what's the exact error? is there not more than that?
[16:29] <fishbrain> how do i redirect error stream to a file?
[16:29] <fishbrain> >> don't work :)
[16:29] <hitsujiTMO> &>
[16:29] <fishbrain> ok
[16:29] <Ari-Yang> SuperLag: why do you want to install fglrx? it has terrible 2d acceleration
[16:29] <BvL> symptoms: lightdm usually fails to start on boot up (no gui login), if i switch user or logout there is no gui login, on lightdm fail i get the blinking text courser (" _ ") on the top left
[16:29] <Ari-Yang> SuperLag: if you're not even going to game, I do not recommend you installing it
[16:30] <fishbrain> hitsujiTMO: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6416592/
[16:30] <Ari-Yang> SuperLag: you can either try installing it from ubuntu's repos (apt-get install fglrx or apt-get install flgrx-updates) or you can install it from the site, which I don't recommend
[16:31] <SuperLag> Ari-Yang: so you're telling me that the open-source radeon driver has better graphics quality than the closed-source driver provided by ATI/AMD?
[16:32] <CatKiller> How would that be surprising?
[16:32] <Ari-Yang> SuperLag: no, I'm telling you that radeon has superior 2d acceleration compared to fglrx. Are you going to be gaming?
[16:32] <Ari-Yang> SuperLag: what card do you have?
[16:32] <CatKiller> Team of people motivated to write good code with good reviewing peers write code against team of undermotivated Windows employees from a company that doesn't really care about Linux driver's quality and has a bad reputation about drivers in general
[16:33] <hitsujiTMO> fishbrain: can you go back to X and spawn a terminal there (ctrl + alt + t) and try the command in the terminal that way
[16:33] <Ari-Yang> SuperLag: fglrx though is better for 3D I guess BUT if you use latest radeon driver and mesa you'll get performance with radeon that rivals fglrx (I know some heavy gamers who have switched over from fglrx to open source radeon)
[16:33] <SuperLag> Ari-Yang: currently I have an RV610. I'm switching to an X1300, because of the form factor of the card. (switched from a low-profile system, to a full-sized desktop)
[16:34] <adamk> SuperLag: Then the proprietary driver isn't even an option with any recent distribution.
[16:34] <fishbrain> hitsujiTMO: yup no error there
[16:34] <SuperLag> adamk: why not?
[16:34] <hitsujiTMO> fishbrain: relog
[16:34] <Ari-Yang> SuperLag: oh so you have a hd2000 series card?
[16:34] <fishbrain> hitsujiTMO: should i try and restart Xorg
[16:34] <fishbrain> hitsujiTMO: sudo killall Xorg :)
[16:34] <BluesKaj> hitsujiTMO. on some setups ctrl + alt + t , doesn't work anymore
[16:34] <adamk> SuperLag: AMD dropped support for pre HD5xxx GPUs in recent versions of the driver.
[16:34] <hitsujiTMO> fishbrain: relog should be suficient
[16:34] <fishbrain> ok
[16:34] <jmgk> Ragnar:
[16:34] <BluesKaj> hitsujiTMO. including mine
[16:34] <jmgk> darn it
[16:34] <hitsujiTMO> BluesKaj: in unity?
[16:35] <SuperLag> adamk: ah, okay
[16:35] <BluesKaj> no , kde
[16:35] <Ari-Yang> adamk: I thought people with hd2000 series cards can use legacy fglrx
[16:35] <Ari-Yang> yeah they can..
[16:35] <hitsujiTMO> BluesKaj: ctrl + alt + t is the default for gnome (and unity) . i know he was running unity.
[16:36] <fishbrain> hitsujiTMO: seems to work though resolution is f*d up
[16:36] <fishbrain> hitsujiTMO: thanks :)
[16:36] <SuperLag> Ari-Yang: adamk: I'm just having some stuff in Unity perform *really* bad... and my system has a LOT of resources (i7 quad 3.4GHz, 32GB of RAM, SSD) so that this is surprising)
[16:36] <adamk> Ari-Yang: Sure, if they downgrade all of Xorg and their kernel.
[16:36] <hitsujiTMO> fishbrain: np
[16:36] <Ari-Yang> SuperLag: what ubuntu version are you on?
[16:36] <Ari-Yang> adamk: ah I see...
[16:36] <SuperLag> Ari-Yang: 13.10
[16:36] <BluesKaj> hitsujiTMO. odd , because it used to work about 3-4 versions ago , anyway sorry to interrupt
[16:37] <adamk> SuperLag: And that's sitll only true for HD2xxx through HD4xxx GPUs.  The X1300 was dropped even further back.
[16:37] <Ari-Yang> SuperLag: try this... open terminal, run gksudo gedit /etc/default/grub
[16:37] <fishbrain> awesome
[16:37] <fishbrain> now back to messsing it up again
[16:38] <adamk> SuperLag: If you show us your Xorg log file, we might be able to see if something is wrong.
[16:38] <Ari-Yang> SuperLag: once you do that make the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" line look like this:
[16:38] <Ari-Yang> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash radeon.dpm=1"
[16:38] <Ari-Yang> SuperLag: save it, close gedit, then run sudo update-grub and then reboot and come back
[16:38] <jmgk> hi all
[16:39] <SuperLag> adamk: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6416628/
[16:39] <Ari-Yang> SuperLag: did you edit the grub file?
[16:39] <SuperLag> Just did.
[16:40] <SuperLag> haven't rebooted yet
[16:40] <cynicist> If you are enabling dpm you need to get the latest firmware for your card as well
[16:40] <cynicist> http://people.freedesktop.org/~agd5f/radeon_ucode/
[16:40] <Ari-Yang> SuperLag: okay go on ahead and reboot and come back
[16:40] <zafer> join #zapf
[16:40] <Ari-Yang> cynicist: no he doesn't
[16:40] <Ari-Yang> cynicist: he's on 13.10
[16:40] <Ari-Yang> cynicist: which has the latest stuff already for dpm
[16:40] <cynicist> ah ok
[16:41] <cynicist> I'm pretending 13.10 doesn't exist, carry on
[16:41] <Ari-Yang> cynicist: why? I'm curious...
[16:41] <cynicist> joking
[16:41] <adamk> SuperLag: Nothing out of the ordinary in your log file. Looks like the drivers are working fine.
[16:41] <Ari-Yang> oh lol
[16:41] <jmgk> LOLOLOLOLOl
[16:41] <Ari-Yang> adamk: I blame unity3D
[16:41] <jmgk> @ cynicist
[16:42] <Faryshta> hi. can you recommend me a tool for UML modeling on ubuntu?
[16:42] <SuperLag>  cynicist : what's wrong with 13.10? :)
[16:42] <Ari-Yang> SuperLag: after your reboot and still get lag maybe it's best to use a differend DE like cinnamon
[16:42] <Ari-Yang> * different
[16:42] <Ari-Yang> SuperLag: please reboot and come back
[16:43] <flappy> hitsuj1, any idea on my situation since your fix for fishbrain wirked so well?
[16:43] <cynicist> SuperLag: Nothing it's amazing, typing from it now. I just forgot that the new firmware came out months ago and Ubuntu typically updates things with new releases :P
[16:43] <Danato> hi jmgk :P
[16:43] <flappy> Running ubuntu 13.10
[16:44] <jmgk> hey Danato
[16:44] <Ari-Yang> cynicist: I'm disappointed (better yet disgusted) that ubuntu doesn't have native vdpau support on 13.10 for radeon :/
[16:44] <Ari-Yang> cynicist, flappy, is 13.10 stable? Or have you come across major/minor bugs?
[16:44] <cynicist> Ari-Yang: I'm waiting for dpm to have some bugs squashed, maybe when it is enabled by default I'll give it another shot. Running on intel HD4000 graphics atm and the experience is pretty great
[16:45] <cynicist> Ari-Yang: not only stable, performance is vastly improved on a fresh install
[16:45] <flappy> Ari-Yang: no real bugs for me, but having a rather big problem with booting
[16:45] <cynicist> Ari-Yang: very noticeable in the dash on integrated graphics
[16:45] <Ari-Yang> cynicist: I'm on ubuntu 12.10 with kernel 3.12, dpm is just fine. It will be enabled by default in kernel 3.13
[16:45] <scottbuckel> Hello, there's a CVE which says it was fixed and released for Ubuntu 12.04.  However, if I do an apt-get update/upgrade, I still have the old version of this software (gpg) which has a CVE vulnerability out for the version currently released via apt.  Can anyone provide a recommendation?
[16:46] <Pici> scottbuckel: which cve?
[16:46] <Ari-Yang> cynicist: kernel 3.12 is the kernel to use now for dpm or kernel 3.11.7
[16:46] <cynicist> Ari-Yang: not on my hd6870, for some reason I get a lot of stuttering while window dragging
[16:46] <cynicist> Ari-Yang: this is on even kernel 3.12
[16:46] <scottbuckel> Pici: Several, but gnupg for example: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2013/CVE-2013-4242.html  But apt-get still has only 1.4.11
[16:47] <Ari-Yang> cynicist: maybe because you aren't using mesa 10 perhaps?
[16:47] <Ari-Yang> not sure...
[16:47] <floryn90> hi everyone
[16:47] <cynicist> Ari-Yang: I tried with and without oibaf's ppa
[16:47] <Ari-Yang> cynicist: ah, I see..... did you file a bug report?
[16:47] <daftykins> floryn90: hi
[16:47] <scottbuckel> Pici: Any clue as to why apt doesn't get the latest version that says it was released?
[16:48] <floryn90> i deleted /usr/share/applications/ and now i don't know how to regenerate it :(
[16:48] <sl1ck> what's the best cpu-friendly audio player? :)
[16:48] <OerHeks> floryn90, time to reinstall i guess
[16:48] <Ari-Yang> sl1ck: audacious or mpd (music player daemon)
[16:48] <cynicist> Ari-Yang: no, didn't see anything useful in the log files so I decided I would check again later since I saw no other reports on it
[16:48] <Ari-Yang> k
[16:49] <OerHeks> !best | sl1ck
[16:49] <cynicist> Ari-Yang: I'm hoping it's not something specific to my setup, since no one else has mentioned the issue
[16:49] <floryn90> OerHeks: but if i use i live, i can copy that files
[16:49] <floryn90> ??
[16:49] <hitsujiTMO> floryn90: to regenerate you need to reinstall every application that was in there
[16:49] <Pici> scottbuckel: The packages were updated, but the version number was not bumped.  See http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/g/gnupg/gnupg_1.4.11-3ubuntu2.4/changelog
[16:49] <Ari-Yang> cynicist: I think one of the devs has a hd6000 series card and hasn't had any problems like that at all...
[16:49] <Ari-Yang> cynicist: if you want you can state that problem on #radeon channel
[16:50] <floryn90> hitsujiTMO: but if i use i live, i can copy that files
[16:50] <sl1ck> OerHeks: I said best CPU-friendly - I reckon it's pretty specific
[16:50] <cynicist> Ari-Yang: I'll definitely ask, thanks. I'd prefer to be using my discrete card with a functional dpm
[16:50] <Ari-Yang> kk, good luck
[16:50] <scottbuckel> Pici: Ugh! That doesn't make sense now, does it?
[16:50] <hitsujiTMO> floryn90: the live cd won't have the same software that you have installed. you can always try
[16:51] <floryn90> i haven't installed anything
[16:51] <floryn90> so with the live i can retrieve my desktop files
[16:51] <Pici> scottbuckel: Well, they typically apply patches instead of bumping version numbers.  There may be more info regarding the CVEs themselves on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/ if you want to see whether a package was actually affected and changed.
[16:52] <OerHeks> sl1ck, still depends on a lot of things, memory, cpu, soundcard
[16:52] <scottbuckel> Pici: So am I just to trust that when something says it was fixed in the CVE on canonical.com, that it's fixed if I'm up to date in apt?
[16:52] <Maleus> anyone available to help me set up a secure sftp server with multiple users jailed to their home folders, but a master user who is not root allowed full access to all folders within the ftp area?
[16:53] <Pici> scottbuckel: You can check the changelogs and the patches linked from that page, but yes.
[16:53] <sl1ck> OerHeks: be that is it may, a cpu-friendly player is a cpu-friendly player nonetheless irrespective of additional hardware.
[16:53] <sl1ck> thanks Ari-Yang !
[16:53] <CatKiller> Maleus: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/ftp-server.html
[16:53] <Maleus> Ive followed that
[16:53] <CatKiller> vsftpd does that
[16:53] <Maleus> sftp works
[16:54] <CatKiller> sftp is something else
[16:54] <Maleus> vsftpd may be what I was needing, Im reading the page on that now, thank you!
[16:54] <CatKiller> Also look at that: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/vsftpd#To_chroot_users
[16:55] <scottbuckel> Pici: Thanks so much for your help!
[16:55] <scottbuckel> Pici: Do they keep the version number the same with a patch number for compatibility purposes or something?
[16:56] <scottbuckel> So really it's version 1.5, but they keep it at 1.4.11 for compatibility maybe?
[16:56] <flappy> Anyone mind helping me with 13.10 not booting correctly? xorg.0.log and dmesg attached: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6416691/ & http://paste.ubuntu.com/6416692/
[16:58] <sl1ck> is my desktop system going to benefit RAM upgrade from 4g to 8g DDR3? Will it matter at all?
[16:58] <cynicist> sl1ck: if the memory is a faster speed yes
[16:59] <Nach0z> sl1ck: if you run out of RAM regularly and have to use swap memory, yes
[16:59] <sl1ck> cynicist: current ram is 1333 - the max clock speed.
[16:59] <cynicist> sl1ck: size won't matter unless you aren't already caching everything you can to RAM
[16:59] <sl1ck> no, no caching
[17:00] <sl1ck> i don't even a swap partition ;-)
[17:00] <sl1ck> (have)
[17:00] <cynicist> sl1ck: well linux does caching automatically, so you'll benefit even if you don't do anything in particular
[17:00] <CatKiller> And you never run out of RAM?
[17:00] <CatKiller> Then you don't need more RAM
[17:00] <sl1ck> Catie: not as far as I've observed the system
[17:00] <tero> hi guys i forgot password and username for a ubuntu server pc. I have physical access. What can I do?
[17:01] <sl1ck> sorry CatKiller
[17:01] <zykotick9> !passwords | tero
[17:01] <sl1ck> what is usually the norm for a desktop use - barring specific user needs and what not... ?
[17:02] <CatKiller> sl1ck: I have 2 and it's a bit short but I use a lot of browser tabs etc
[17:02] <CatKiller> 2GB
[17:02] <sl1ck> CatKiller: firefox?
[17:02] <CatKiller> and right now I'm using 450MB of swap
[17:02] <CatKiller> chrome
[17:02] <CatKiller> with 30+ tabs open constantly
[17:02] <sl1ck> i noticed FF is a memory hog
[17:02] <cynicist> sl1ck: Ubuntu really doesn't use that much memory, for regular usage with a lot of tabs/flash video loaded you may hit 1.8GB like I am now
[17:03] <CatKiller> 4GB you're fine
[17:03] <CatKiller> usually
[17:03] <CatKiller> the "upgrade your memory makes your computer faster"
[17:03] <robert123> hi. my mic suddenly didn't work anymore. in pavucontrol, suddenly, the whole input device was not shown anymore. i tried another one... it worked two days ago. i checked alsamixer and pavucontrol volume settings. i did not knowingly make any changes the last two days. i have a backup from a few weeks ago, so i copied ~/.pulse and ~/.config/pulse from the backup, typed "killall pulseaudio; pulseaudio -k" and am still no happier. nothing ch
[17:03] <robert123> anged. any ideas?
[17:03] <CatKiller> is just because 99% of the time, especially years ago when RAM was scarce and expensive
[17:03] <robert123> s/i tried another one/i tried another mic
[17:03] <CatKiller> slowness issues came from intense swapfests
[17:04] <CatKiller> with people using double the swap as RAM
[17:04] <CatKiller> But apart from that no need
[17:04] <cynicist> sl1ck: Firefox doesn't use significantly more than chrome in my experience, it just seems that way because chrome runs in many different processes
[17:05] <sl1ck> cynicist: my FF has sh*t load of addons and other crapware that hogs my memory to about 400-500mb
[17:05] <SuperLag> Ari-Yang: rebooted.
[17:05] <Ari-Yang> SuperLag: in terminal run dmesg | grep dpm
[17:05] <Ari-Yang> SuperLag: what's the output of it?
[17:05] <cynicist> sl1ck: It can actually use less if you have something like noscript that is preventing lots of additional stuff from running
[17:06] <sl1ck> cynicist: i can't afford to use noscript, it often seriously impedes functions of normal web sites and can't know which sites are affected which ones aren't
[17:07] <sl1ck> stellar addon otherwise
[17:08] <SuperLag> Ari-Yang: no output for it
[17:08] <cynicist> sl1ck: Yeah I blacklist everything by default and just enable what I know isn't a social media tracker or whatever, it does take some time at the start but you do it once for your favorite sites and it speeds up browsing and reduces memory usage significant in addition to the security benefits
[17:08] <sl1ck> my system has ddr3 ram ecc unbuffered, but I don't know if the ECC option is ON. Is there anyway to check if my memory operates ON ECC?
[17:08] <Ari-Yang> SuperLag: oh... then I guess dpm is for newer cards.... alright next best thing to do SuperLag is not use Unity
[17:08] <Ari-Yang> !de | SuperLag
[17:08] <Ari-Yang> erm
[17:08] <Ari-Yang> !flavor | SuperLag
[17:09] <lukodiablo_> where i can find IRC for aircrack-ng?
[17:09] <Ari-Yang> !lxde | SuperLag
[17:09] <tirengarfio> Im getting "setfacl: Option -m: Invalid argument near character 3" when I try to run sudo setfacl -R -m u:$APACHEUSER:rwX -m u:`whoami`:rwX app/cache app/logs
[17:09] <daftykins> sl1ck: if you have a consumer system it is highly unlikely you have ECC capability.
[17:10] <daftykins> sl1ck: unless you are referring to an actual server
[17:10] <sl1ck> xeon cpu
[17:10] <daftykins> sl1ck: sure but you need chipset, motherboard and RAM support to provide ECC functionality
[17:11] <SuperLag> Ari-Yang:
[17:11] <toto13> hello
[17:11] <SuperLag> Ari-Yang: Can I install XFCE after the fact, or do I need to reinstall from scratch?
[17:11] <Ari-Yang> SuperLag: no not at all
[17:11] <Ari-Yang> !xfce | SuperLag
[17:11] <sl1ck> daftykins: My board supports all three variants: NON ECC Unbuf, ECC Unbuf, and ECC Registered
[17:12] <Ari-Yang> SuperLag: you install it, logout, there should be a unity icon in the login box, click it and choose xfce from there and login
[17:12] <daftykins> sl1ck: right, but if the RAM isn't ECC reg then you're out of luck
[17:12] <sl1ck> daftykins: what do you mean exactly?
[17:12] <daftykins> sl1ck: you have to have ECC capable memory modules to enable ECC mode
[17:12] <daftykins> i'm not sure what's so confusing here?
[17:13] <shafox> i have crunchbang installed. I just installed ubuntu 12.04 in one of the partition that i made . but i cant see ubuntu listed in the grub config file. right now i am in crunchbang distro
[17:14] <sl1ck> daftykins: what's the purpose of ECC Unbuff sticks then?
[17:14] <daftykins> sl1ck: i'm not sure on the purpose of buffered vs. not
[17:15] <sl1ck> daftykins: i mean why build a ECC Unbuffed stick, if you ECC is only operational under Regged ram? This is your logic, is it not?
[17:16] <daftykins> sl1ck: it's not my logic no
[17:16] <ki4ro> So, last evening, I was told that this is not the place to discuss upgrading or not upgrading Ubuntu.  Where would that place be?
[17:16] <lukodiablo_> guys it is 8812au compatible with aircrack-ng
[17:16] <daftykins> sl1ck: ECC options are in the BIOS sometimes. you can also confirm status with memtest86+
[17:17] <zteam> Hi guys!
[17:17] <sl1ck> daftykins: memtest86 is a known 'liar'
[17:17] <drupod> hi all has any one succesfully install packet tracer under ubuntu 12.10?
[17:17] <hitsujiTMO> ki4ro: #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:17] <daftykins> sl1ck: if you say so
[17:17] <zteam> any advice on how to troubleshoot black-screen on startup on Ubuntu 13.10, with the Nvidia driver?
[17:18] <hitsujiTMO> !nomodeset | ztane
[17:18] <hitsujiTMO> !nomodeset | zteam
[17:18] <sl1ck> daftykins: memtest86 may detect whether the chip has ECC, but not specifically if the said chip is operational under ECC, is what i meant.
[17:18] <daftykins> yeah last time i used it you had to enable testing under ECC come to think of it
[17:19] <daftykins> but that was a few years ago
[17:20] <ki4ro> hitsujiTMO, Thanks
[17:20] <lukodiablo_> guys... it is RTL8812au compatible with aircrack-ng?
[17:21] <zteam> hitsujiTMO, okey, thanks for the link, do you know if that error can cause Xorg to crash?
[17:22] <hitsujiTMO> lukodiablo: every think of checking the compatibility list? http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=compatibility_drivers
[17:22] <hitsujiTMO> zteam is this a fresh install?
[17:23] <zteam> hitsujiTMO, because sometimes my computer boot up flawlessly, and sometimes Xorg just dies off
[17:23] <hitsujiTMO> zteam: ahh, might be a different issue then. what gpu do you have?
[17:24] <zteam> hitsujiTMO, Nope, it is a upgraded 13.Ubuntu release :-)
[17:24] <hitsujiTMO> zteam: what driver are you using?
[17:25] <zykotick9> lukodiablo_: aircrack isn't supported here.  try #aircrack-ng
[17:25] <zteam> hitsujiTMO, 13.04 suffered from the same issue, I have a Nvidia 8800 GT card, I have runned Ubuntu since Feisty and never had the issues before
[17:26] <lukodiablo_> hitsujiTMO: nothing usedfull.. but thanx
[17:26] <zteam> hitsujiTMO, Nvidia 304.08 for now, I had tried the other drivers as well
[17:27] <zteam> hitsujiTMO, (those avaiable in the repository I mean) I even tried updating my driver throught a third-party repository, but that didn't help me either
[17:27] <hitsujiTMO> zteam: when it fails and you get a black screen, are you able to access tty1 with <ctrl> + <alt> + <f1> ?
[17:28] <zteam> hitsujiTMO, yes  I'm
[17:28] <FourFire> I am trying to install My currently running operating system (12.04 LTS) onto an external hard drive
[17:28] <Kamuela> Anyone here with gparted experience?
[17:29] <zteam> hitsujiTMO, and then I did so, I tried to kill Xorg but it wasn't alive, and startx didn't worked either.
[17:29] <hitsujiTMO> zteam: ok: sudo apt-get install pastebinit && dmesg | pastebinit && pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[17:29] <Ziber> Hey, I've got a bunch of Linux VMs and I want to setup LDAP for SSH authentication. Any good guides, tips, etc?
[17:29] <FourFire> I want to include all my programs (and settings if possible) without having to find and install them all from the distro
[17:29] <cynicist> Kamuela: what's your question?
[17:29] <Kamuela> My disk is /dev/sda1(Windows) /dev/sda2(/) -> /dev/sda5(/home[logical]) and what I'd like to do is shrink sda1 (NTFS), and move everything else up to grow home
[17:30] <zteam> hitsujiTMO, okey :)
[17:30] <FourFire> I have a bootable USB, and .iso file and an old maindrive which has poorly proportioned partitions
[17:30] <FourFire> my os, the bootable and the .iso are all Ubuntu 12.04
[17:30] <hitsujiTMO> zteam: that should produce 2 urls, paste the urls here
[17:30] <FourFire> can anyone help me do this within an hour?
[17:30] <Danato> can anybody help me install polkit? i'm getting this error
[17:30] <Danato> configure: error: ConsoleKit autoconfigured, but systemd is in use (missing libsystemd-login pkg-config?)
[17:30] <lukodiablo> zykotick9: the #aircrack wont let me
[17:31] <hitsujiTMO> Kamuela: best to shrink sda1 in windows. then use gparted to move sda2
[17:31] <Kamuela> hitsujiTMO, what would allow me to shrink it in windows? does disk manager let me do that?
[17:31] <zykotick9> lukodiablo: it's #aircrack-ng
[17:31] <Pici> Danato: What exactly are you trying to do?  ATI/AMD, has to support dual-DVI. Any recommendations?
[17:32] <Ziber> Hey, can someone help me start setting up LDAP for user accounts auth, via ssh?
[17:32] <hitsujiTMO> Kamuela: disk management in administrative tools
[17:32] <cynicist> Kamuela: I would use a livecd, you can't resize that ntfs partition while being booted into it
[17:32] <flappy> hitsujiTMO: mind looking at my xorg log/ dmesg? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6416691/ & http://paste.ubuntu.com/6416692/
[17:32] <SuperLag> Ari-Yang: adamk: I'm going to order a new graphics card. ATI/AMD, has to support dual-DVI. Any recommendations?
[17:32] <SuperLag> sorry for the dupe... wanted to add adamk
[17:33] <zteam> hitsujiTMO, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6416869/
[17:33] <berga> HI! I wanted to ask a question about ubuntu lucid lynx (10.04.4) ... I can't find an official download for a desktop version ubuntu lucid - I can only find the server iso. Any idea what I can do here? I'm gonna use that machine for an offline bitcoin wallet, so I don't want to go online with it in order to install a DE.
[17:33] <zteam> hitsujiTMO, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6416880/
[17:34] <xangua> berga: you are aware that 10.04 desktop has no support right¿
[17:34] <Danato> Pici: ok so my my battery was not telling me the remaining time, and I read somewhere that I needed to reinstall Upower, which needs me to install polkit
[17:34] <Danato> Pici, http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/postlfs/polkit.html
[17:34] <zteam> hitsujiTMO, thanks for the tip about pastebinit package, didn't know about it unitil now :-)
[17:34] <Pici> Danato: Are you running LFS?
[17:34] <berga> xangua, I was not... but the bitcoinarmory offline bundle is packaged for 10.04 so I thought I'd go with that
[17:35] <lukodiablo> zykotick9: (ErrorNoChannelModes) #aircrack-ng] Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services
[17:35] <Kamuela> hitsujiTMO, i'll go to windows and see what i can figure out from there, but all in all, good idea. unless cynicist was right and it'll say i can't do it. but i have a feeling windows will do something like restart and make it a boot script
[17:35] <zykotick9> !register | lukodiablo
[17:35] <Danato> Pici, I thought LFS was jst the name of the website, so probably no
[17:35] <cynicist> Kamuela: yeah it may do something like that, I'm just saying it can't do a live resize
[17:35] <hitsujiTMO> Kamuela: it will ask you to restart windows to perform the resize
[17:35] <cynicist> Kamuela: it's just simpler to do it all from a livecd
[17:36] <FourFire> gvo: I'm back
[17:36] <Danato> Pici, aaah I see your point now
[17:36] <gvo> FourFire
[17:36] <Kamuela> cynicist, i think hitsujiTMO's thing is that windows will know how to do it more safely than something like gparted. i don't have access to a windows "live cd" although there probably are maintenance ones that can do this
[17:36] <Pici> Danato: You can use apt to reinstall something, but chances are it's not going to make much of a difference.
[17:36] <gvo> FourFire: I see
[17:36] <Kamuela> cynicist, hitsujiTMO in any case, i'll brb i'm gonna see what's up in windoze
[17:36] <Pici> !software  | Danato
[17:37] <FourFire> I have an hour to do this at the moment
[17:37] <gvo> FourFire you might not have enough time.
[17:37] <quellhorst> anyone have any experience setting up VPNs to sell to the public?
[17:37] <FourFire> I can leave my computer running
[17:37] <FourFire> I just have to go to work
[17:37] <cynicist> SuperLag: a used hd 6870 for like $100, they are one of the best supported/performing discrete cards for the open source radeon driver atm
[17:38] <FourFire> if I can set it up to copy over and whatever
[17:38] <gvo> It's a multi step process.  I'm writing it up now.
[17:38] <SuperLag> Ari-Yang: adamk: cynicist: http://amzn.to/1e5VUwA thoughts?
[17:38] <Danato> Pici, it was a try, but I already removed it, and now I have to install some power management tool. Now that doesnt seem to be a right one
[17:39] <FourFire> ok, thanks, keep in mind that I don't really know any terminal commands so I'll need the exact commands to be used
[17:39] <pacy_> FourFire: for me it sounds like, and correct me if iam wrong, it would probably the best if you make a fresh and clean install of your system after you restored your installed progs via "dpkg --get-selections > installed-software" in a file so you can reinstall it out of the list
[17:40] <zteam> hitsujiTMO, it seems that I have an older error log from X here, which have some funny error messages, I upload that one as well
[17:40] <FourFire> pacy_: I don't quite understand, install programs, then clean install?
[17:40] <Ari-Yang> SuperLag: better ask for thoughts and opinions for that kind of stuff on #radeon
[17:40] <Ari-Yang> good luck
[17:40] <gdb> FourFire: He's saying to capture your list of installed software for reference, then reinstall and use that list to remember what needs to be additionally installed.
[17:41] <berga> So, being a massive linux newb (I've only dipped my toes as it were, with a few distros) - Could I install the server version of 10.04.4 and then install gnome or whatever from a usb stick?
[17:42] <zykotick9> berga: NOT a good idea.  use something with security support!  please.
[17:42] <berga> argh
[17:42] <FourFire> gdb what exactly do I input in the terminal in order to do that?
[17:42] <pacy_> FourFire: the command "dpkg --get-selections > installed-software" creats a list of installed software which you have to safn. afterwars you can restore it with "dpkg --set-selections < installed-software" the you have to execute the command "dselect"... though your settings would be lost
[17:42] <kostkon> berga: just don't
[17:42] <Ari-Yang> SuperLag: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102933 anyway, again, get advice from #radeon afk
[17:42] <FourFire> settings being lost is fine, I can do that easily
[17:43] <FourFire> finding all my programs again, not as easy
[17:43] <berga> any ideas on what I could do for my offline bitcoinarmory wallet, then? the bundle is for 10.04 =(
[17:43] <FourFire> I have to do what once I've input the first command?
[17:43] <pacy_> FourFire: but you have to go through the list and delete everything which was not installed by you.. which should not be that hard..
[17:44] <zteam> hitsujiTMO, here it comes http://paste.ubuntu.com/6416929/ please check this :-)
[17:44] <FourFire> There doesn't seem to be a visible response in the terminal to the dpgk... command
[17:45] <Danato> Im remaking the question now, what power management works with ubuntu? I need to install one
[17:45] <hitsujiTMO> zteam: is this a laptop or desktop?
[17:45] <KaoticFire> Does anybody know of any USB wireless NIC's that work out of the box with Ubuntu 12.04
[17:45] <Ari-Yang> Danato: what card do you have?
[17:45] <pacy_> FourFire: Than safe the list somewhere like on an extra stick. make a fresh install with your new partitiontable you would like to have and if its done you can you the second and the third command to resore the programs which remained in the list
[17:45] <Ari-Yang> Danato: and what ubuntu version are you on?
[17:45] <zteam> hitsujiTMO, it's a desktop
[17:45] <FourFire> where is this list?
[17:46] <pacy_> FourFire: you create it in the folder you are you are using the command
[17:46] <Danato> Ari-Yang, Ubuntu 13.10, idk what card are you talking about sorry
[17:46] <FourFire> oh
[17:46] <Ari-Yang> Danato: graphics card
[17:46] <pacy_> FourFire: i mean it is created by the command
[17:47] <FourFire> Oh neat, I found it, thanks
[17:47] <hitsujiTMO> zteam: is it just the sony tv that you have to connect to the machine or do you have another monitor?
[17:47] <FourFire> I also found the one I made yesterday
[17:47] <zteam> hitsujiTMO, most often it works, but sometimes it fails, seems kinda random to me
[17:47] <gvo> FourFire take a look at http://fayettedigital.com/howtocopyparts.html
[17:47] <Danato> Ari-Yang, its a bit complicated but my laptop comes with 2 cards, jst a sec and ill tell you which ones
[17:47] <Ari-Yang> Danato: lspci | grep VGA
[17:47] <zteam> hitsujiTMO, I have two monitors the Sony TV and my Asus monitor
[17:48] <Ari-Yang> Danato: type that in terminal...
[17:48] <FourFire> gvo can I resize the copy partition later?
[17:48] <hitsujiTMO> zteam: does the crash happen when just the asus is connected?
[17:48] <gvo> Sure, you can remove it and expand the first one.
[17:48] <FourFire> neat, thanks a heap
[17:48] <Danato> Ari-Yang, ah I thought you wanted to know the models
[17:49] <Ari-Yang> Danato: I want to know what graphics cards you have i.e. radeon hd6450 etc.
[17:49] <zteam> hitsujiTMO, well, both monitors is plugged in all the time so far :-)
[17:49] <gvo> My demonstration used a 15 Gb partition but yours will have to be bigger.    The dd step will take a while
[17:50] <Danato> Ari-Yang, 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[17:50] <Danato> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF108M [GeForce GT 635M] (rev a1)
[17:50] <zteam> hitsujiTMO, however the only monitor turned on is the Asus, both then it works and then it not works
[17:51] <gvo> pacy_: It's kind of what he was asking for yesterday, or at least what I understood him to be asking for.
[17:51] <flappy> hah, installing xubuntu-desktop gets me a working DE via manual startx.
[17:51] <Ari-Yang> Danato: well maybe the nvidia proprietary driver has power management... open up Software Sources go to the 'Additional Drivers' tab and see if you can select it, if you can apply the changes and reboot (make sure you set the nvidia card as default) afk good luck
[17:52] <__marco> what is the default terminal emulator in ubuntu?
[17:52] <gvo> FourFire: There may be some typos, especially in the last section that I didn't run.
[17:52] <zteam> hitsujiTMO, I can try to disconnect the Sony TV as a trial to test of course, but, sometimes it takes around 5 reboots for this issue to show up
[17:52] <hitsujiTMO> zteam: can you try without the sony tv connected at all. there is a lot of errors coming from the sony tv (its falsely reporting its supported modes).
[17:53] <cynicist> __marco: gnome-terminal
[17:53] <zteam> hitsujiTMO, okey, BRB :-)
[17:53] <hitsujiTMO> zteam: also if you do get the black screen, can you then pastebin Xorg.0.log and dmesg again and come back here
[17:53] <gvo> FourFire: Remember to change references to /dev/sdd to whatever your device is.
[17:54] <zykotick9> __marco: gnome-terminal
[17:54] <Danato> Ari-Yang, thanks
[17:54] <FourFire> yes, thanks.
[17:55] <nafur> Hey, I updated to 13.10 yesterday and now my network somehow breaks down (when I hibernate or close the lid... I must test some more on this). The nm-applet just tells me "NetworkManager is not running..." then.
[17:55] <nafur> Are there any known issues about this?
[17:56] <__marco> thanks. Has it always been the default terminal emulator?
[17:56] <arityfn> Does anyone knows why my ubuntu system freezes when I try to play video with vlc or any other multimedia player? I am not using the open source drivers.
[17:56] <zykotick9> __marco: for "ubuntu" i believe so...
[17:56] <__marco> thanks
[17:57] <loa> hello, i have very undetectable problem. I have system which was long to setup, i like crurrent env very much. But sometimes system hangs totally. I can't switch to console or restart X system. So i try setup kernel crash dump. But no crash dumps are prudced. I am stacked.
[17:57] <loa> I don't want to reinstall system (
[18:00] <adamk> arityfn: Sounds like a bug in the video drivers you are using...
[18:00] <KaoticFire> Does anybody know of any USB wireless NIC's that work out of the box with Ubuntu 12.04
[18:00] <arityfn> yeah, but the open source drivers eats my battery life like theres no tomorrow.
[18:01] <adamk> arityfn: Try a different video player and report the lockup to the driver developers.
[18:01] <adamk> arityfn: And, of course, make sure you try the latest version of the driver for your GPU.  You could also try different versions.
[18:03] <nafur> Okay, I just tested, my network crashes as soon as I close my lid...
[18:04] <gvo> kaoticFire: edimax we-7811Un works
[18:05] <PandaMaster> How do I mount a usb thumb drive?
[18:05] <KaoticFire> gva: thanks
[18:05] <gvo> PandaMaster: It should automatically mount.
[18:05] <PandaMaster> how do I mounta  usb mount drive to amount point?
[18:05] <nafur> PandaMaster: from the command line?
[18:05] <zykotick9> PandaMaster: if you plug it in, does Gnome not automount it for you?  or you want manual instructions?
[18:06] <sl1ck> is there any way to remap my keyboard and rearrange some of the functions different keys have?
[18:06] <zykotick9> PandaMaster: do you know the device name?  "sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt" would mount it to /mnt, assuming sdb1 was the device/partition
[18:06] <PandaMaster> I'm trying to make a live usb, and UNetbootin says I need to mount my usb thumb drive to a mount point.  How do I do tha?
[18:07] <gvo> PandaMaster: dmesg | tail would give you a clue as to the device name
[18:07] <zykotick9> PandaMaster: the above "should" work for unetbootin
[18:07] <nafur> sl1ck: yes, look for example here: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Xmodmap
[18:07] <gvo> PandaMaster: Is there anything in the drop box in Unetbootin?
[18:08] <PandaMaster> yes
[18:08] <gvo> That's probable it.
[18:08] <sl1ck> nafur: i dont know german ...
[18:08] <zteam> hitsujiTMO, Yes I will :-)
[18:09] <PandaMaster> thanks, it works now.
[18:09] <nitronewbie> I wanna learn Linux
[18:09] <nafur> sl1ck: oh, sorry, my bad. maybe this? https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xmodmap
[18:10] <nitronewbie> here no conversation ?
[18:11] <xangua> nitronewbie: here ubuntu support
[18:11] <FourFire> gvo is there anything special about the figure of 0.02 MiB spacing between the start of the disk and the partition?
[18:11] <reisio> nitronewbie: go forth!
[18:12] <porron> hey
[18:12] <gvo> FourFire It didn't work with zero
[18:12] <FourFire> ok
[18:12] <porron> Hey guys, why your smartphone system is called Ubuntu For Android ?
[18:12] <porron> does it need android to run?
[18:12] <nafur> Oh, I just found that my bug was already filed...
[18:12] <reisio> porron: #ubuntu-touch ?
[18:12] <gvo> FourFire: There's a bunch of rules about partition alignment I've never quite figured out.
[18:12] <reisio> porron: pretty sure it does, yes
[18:12] <popey> porron: you probably want #ubuntu-touch
[18:12] <ania________> hi can u help with 12.04 ........i just try to login ....but it keeps coming back to login screen.....can go into desktop
[18:12] <porron> I mean, you raise doubts
[18:13] <reisio> it's not so much that GNU/Linux needs Android to run
[18:13] <nitronewbie> reisio: would you offer me a channel?
[18:13] <porron> because on the "ubuntu touch" page I don't see any reference to android
[18:13] <reisio> it's that manufacturers put in place secure boot problems
[18:13] <reisio> and withold drivers
[18:13] <popey> porron: Ubuntu for Android and Ubuntu Touch are separate things
[18:13] <reisio> nitronewbie: #linux
[18:13] <porron> oh
[18:13] <popey> porron: Ubuntu for Android has not been released yet.
[18:13] <reisio> popey: but do they both run on top of Android
[18:14] <porron> popey: this is why the names raise doubts
[18:14] <nitronewbie> join #linux
[18:14] <porron> they are both operating systems for smartphones?
[18:14] <popey> porron: Ubuntu Touch (Ubuntu for Phones and Tablets) is the one you have probably read about on the wiki
[18:14] <ania________> hi can u help with 12.04 ........i just try to login ....but it keeps coming back to login screen.....can go into desktop
[18:14] <popey> porron: Ubuntu for Android requires Android, Ubuntu Touch does not.
[18:14] <reisio> porron: well android runs on more than phones
[18:14] <hwilde> hello is anyone familiar with .ssh/config using ProxyCommand and nc  to do multiple hops?
[18:14] <sl1ck> thanks nafur
[18:14] <reisio> popey: really?
[18:14] <porron> great popey
[18:14] <popey> reisio: yes, really
[18:14] <porron> and... Ubuntu touch doesn't need android right?
[18:14] <popey> Ubuntu Touch doesn't need android. We use some drivers from Android
[18:14] <porron> I mean *won't* need android
[18:15] <reisio> popey: is there an install guide for any device, for installing to metal?
[18:15] <popey> But that's all.
[18:15] <porron> ok great
[18:15] <porron> and what about ubuntu for android?
[18:15] <popey> reisio: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[18:15] <popey> porron: Ubuntu for Android has not been released. It's still in development.
[18:15] <porron> what is it, what's the difference UbuntuTOuch and WHY has it been done
[18:15] <zteam> hitsujiTMO, Nope, the issue is still there
[18:15] <arun> clefebvre: hello clem are u there?
[18:16] <porron> I mean, you're developing ubuntu touch, why do you need even ubuntu for android
[18:16] <FourFire> oh dear, Ḯm going to PM you gvo, okay?
[18:16] <porron> that's what I don't get
[18:16] <popey> porron: Ubuntu for Android pre-dates Ubuntu Touch
[18:16] <porron> and...
[18:16] <porron> ?
[18:16] <xangua> !touch | porron popey
[18:16] <hitsujiTMO> zteam: post a fresh set of logs: dmesg | pastebinit && pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[18:16] <reisio> porron: so touch is actuall a progression, and not an alternative
[18:16] <reisio> not just an* :p
[18:17] <reisio> popey: thanks
[18:17] <popey> np
[18:17] <porron> progression of what?
[18:17] <porron> of android?
[18:17] <editheraven> @ania : it's because the .xAuthority file is not owned by you
[18:17] <popey> Ubuntu for Android has a separate use case than Ubuntu Touch.
[18:17] <zteam> hitsujiTMO, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6417099/
[18:17] <popey> Probably better to continue this in #ubuntu-touch rather than this support channel.
[18:17] <zteam> hitsujiTMO, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6417103/
[18:18] <reisio> popey: duuuude, in this case I might get me a nexus 4
[18:19] <ania________> hi can u help with 12.04 ........i just try to login ....but it keeps coming back to login screen.....can go into desktop
[18:20] <Danato> how do i exit the X server?
[18:20] <Aleksdem2> ctrl+alt+backspace
[18:20] <hitsujiTMO> zteam: no errors showing. what desktop manager are you using? lightdm?
[18:21] <editheraven> @ania : go to a sepparate tty (ctrl+alt+1) and login with your user. then "sudo bash" and then "chown YOUR_USERNAME:YOUR_USERNAME ~/.xAuthority
[18:21] <editheraven> @ania : sorry, ctrl alt + f1
[18:21] <Greylocks> ania________: type CTRL>ALT>F1 and log in there then type startx see if that helps.
[18:21] <ania________> i am in ctr alt f1
[18:22] <sebastien__> hello, could anyone help me to install ubuntu on my computer from an usd drive please?
[18:22] <zteam> hitsujiTMO, yes, worth mentioning is that I have a SSD disk which didn't run to well with LightDM, was using a workaround in 13.04 but that work-around stopped working after some updates
[18:22] <MonkeyDust> µxse
[18:22] <MonkeyDust> sebastien__  let's hea it
[18:22] <MonkeyDust> hear*
[18:23] <ania________> i can login in terminal everything works well ...but crt alt f7 goes to desktop....where i can see login ....when i login it wont let me see desktop
[18:23] <hitsujiTMO> zteam: o.O what exactly do you mean. please explain further
[18:23] <arityfn> What driver from the AMD site should I download for this card, Radeon HD 7520G?
[18:23] <sebastien__> thx MonkeyDust :) firts of all, are you french? it could make it easier :p
[18:23] <MonkeyDust> ania________  ctrl alt f1 shows a command prompt, work from there
[18:24] <MonkeyDust> sebastien__  i speak french, but if you want french support, better go to #ubuntu-fr
[18:24] <hitsujiTMO> zteam: also ls -l /var/log/lightdm | pastebinit
[18:24] <ania________> Moneky ...i am using crt alt f1 shell now.....still
[18:25] <sebastien__> ty MonkeyDust, i'm going there :) have a nice evening
[18:25] <zteam> hitsujiTMO, Well I was suffering from this issue http://www.webupd8.org/2013/01/ubuntu-lightdm-black-screen-when-using.html
 startx can't work?
[18:26] <Greylocks> ania________: type "start"x on ctrl alt f1 no quotes
[18:26] <Greylocks> ania________:  sorry "startx"
[18:26] <ania________> u dont get me
[18:26] <ania________> startx works perfect....
[18:27] <hitsujiTMO> ania________: you know the way you're in ctrl+alt+f1 shell. can you go to ctrl+alt+f1 to get a shell? :P Bute really can you pastebin your ~/.xsession-errors
[18:27] <ania________> i can see desktop login screen see calendar choose ....between ubuntu 2d 3d classic but if you try to login it comes back to that screen dont go further
[18:27] <zteam> hitsujiTMO, but the suggested work-around didn't work for me. I atached this lines to /etc/init/lightdm.conf
[18:27] <hitsujiTMO> Aleksdem2: Greylocks startx is NOT going to work when there's already xorg is already running
[18:28] <zteam> hitsujiTMO, stop on runlevel [016]
[18:28] <zteam> respawn
[18:28] <zteam> emits login-session-start
[18:28] <zteam> emits desktop-session-start
[18:28] <zteam> emits desktop-shutdown
[18:28] <FloodBot1> zteam: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:28] <ania________> hitjiuTMO where is located xsession-errors
[18:28] <MonkeyDust> ania________  in ctrl alt f1, type    df -h     make sure no partition is 100% full, also get rid of obsolete kernels
[18:29] <ania________> df -h 69% use..
[18:29] <zteam> hitsujiTMO, However I had to remove that workaround, due to to some changes in LightDM (I think)
[18:29] <hitsujiTMO> ania________: its in your home. just install pastebinit: sudo apt-get install pastebinit && pastebinit ~/.xsession-errors                       and just paste the url it generates here
[18:30] <zteam> hitsujiTMO, Here is my Lightdm log by the way http://paste.ubuntu.com/6417161/
[18:30] <hitsujiTMO> zteam: ahh yeah I remeber that issue with lightdm and ssds. its actaully fixed in 13.10
[18:31] <Zap-W> does anyone know a guide which shows how to get fonts to look almost as crisp as Microsoft or Mac OSX
[18:32] <hitsujiTMO>  zteam: sudo pastebinit /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log && sudo pastebinit /var/log/lightdm/x-0-greeter.log && sudo pastebinit /var/log/lightdm/x-0.log
[18:32] <reisio> Zap-W: fonts look worse in Microsoft Windows
[18:33] <hitsujiTMO> Zap-W: try changing your hinting to medium
[18:33] <zteam> hitsujiTMO, yes, they are fixed in Ubuntu 13.04 after some updates, I learned that the hard way, my  workaround screwed up Xorg really hard for me
[18:33] <sa__> i have extracted the blender.tar.bz2  and i can use blender now like other apps.  but how do i like...  fully install it?  As in google-chrome-stable had the .deb package and i installed it by opening with software center.  how do i install blender the same way?  fully
[18:33] <ania________> hi i have xsession-error readed
[18:33] <Zap-W> hitsujiTMO: that's it?
[18:33] <zteam> hitsujiTMO, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6417189/
[18:33] <reisio> ania________: your nick is really tedious
[18:33] <hitsujiTMO> ania________: make sure theres a . before xsession-errors
[18:33] <ObrienDave> Zap-W, I like hinting full for LCD screens
[18:34] <zteam> hitsujiTMO, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6417190/
[18:34] <ania________> hitsuik
[18:34] <ania________> i got it
[18:34] <zteam> hitsujiTMO,  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6417191/
[18:34] <ania________> can i send it to you msg ?