[00:13] <cweber10> bkerensa; i think we made a monster in the good way Winny is getting everyone in her group to do a bug :p
[00:17] <Windipity> Haha, How did you know that?
[00:19] <cweber10> Windipity: i said in a good way :p
[00:21] <cweber10> o/ Lacy
[00:21] <lcollins07> Hey at least spell my name right
[00:22] <cweber10> what me spell right you have to be kidding
[00:23] <lcollins07> haha guess I should have known better lol
[00:23] <slangasek> bkerensa: the BTS is being generally slow for me it seems :)
[00:23] <slangasek> bkerensa: (my forward didn't show up on the bug yet either)
[00:29] <bkerensa> slangasek: yeah but its now been two hours :)
[00:29] <bkerensa> slangasek: Im not very optimistic about this bug anyways because now Debian wants me to forward it further upstream
[00:29] <bkerensa> :(
[00:29] <Windipity> Eddie found a bug that seems to be a comment, maybe good for the wishlist. How do we take care of it? Bug #196874
[00:31] <bkerensa> Widipity: You might ask someone on #ubuntu-bugs to look at it who is on the control team so they can wishlist it.
[00:32] <bkerensa> I dont have bug-control privileges yet because I have not resubmitted my app to bdmurray and co
[00:32] <Windipity> Thank you, I will forward that information on.
[00:33] <bdmurray> One thing to do would be to check if the .desktop file for xscorch has changed at all
[00:33] <bdmurray> Windipity: ^
[00:34] <bdmurray> an easy way to do this is by clicking on "Code"
[00:34] <bdmurray> on the bug page
[00:34] <Windipity> bdmurray: Sure thing, I'll look at that right now. Thanks!
[00:34] <bdmurray> then look at the precise bzr branch
[00:35] <bdmurray> click around enough and you'll end up here
[00:35] <bdmurray> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/xscorch/precise/view/head:/debian/xscorch.desktop
[00:35] <bdmurray> oh neat, lucky us
[00:36] <bkerensa> slangasek: Unfortunately I'm feeling like seeing this Ubuntu bug through and I will try to deal with the gmane folks then perhaps debian can grab it then ubuntu and so on
[00:36] <bkerensa> ;p
[00:36] <bdmurray> Windipity: ^
[00:40] <bkerensa> slangasek: How do I submit a patch to gmane? I git cloned their repo and made the changes but I have no idea how to proceed from here since I'm unfamiliar with how they accept patches or maybe I can use git to propose my fix?
[00:42] <slangasek> bkerensa: I don't think it's necessary to submit a patch at ths point given that it's going all the way upstream; the upstream maintainer will regenerate the translation files automatically
[00:43] <bkerensa> slangasek: Well someone from the debian group that manages git specifically invited me to submit to gmane
[00:43] <bkerensa> lol
[00:43] <bkerensa> :(
[00:43] <slangasek> gmane, btw, is simply an interface to Usenet + mailing lists
[00:44] <bkerensa> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/192289
[00:44] <slangasek> I think it can be used for posting to the Usenet newsgroups, but I don't know how - I've never used it
[00:44] <bkerensa> :(
[00:44] <bkerensa> ok
[00:45] <slangasek> jrnieder said "let's take this upstream", then he did - I don't know that it's worth you putting any more work into preparing a patch :)
[00:46] <bkerensa> Benjamin, the git-gui code can be found at
, in case you want to tackle it.
[00:46] <bkerensa> Thanks and hope that helps,
[00:46] <bkerensa> Jonathan
[01:03] <bkerensa> slangasek: why does 'git format-patch --stdout > git-gui-typo-fix.patch' not create a patch from the git repo I cloned
[01:03] <bkerensa> and made a fix in
[01:04] <slangasek> bkerensa: because git's UI was designed by a madman and a misanthrope? :)
[01:04] <bkerensa> :(
[01:04] <slangasek> have you committed your changes to the git branch?
[01:04] <bkerensa> slangasek: Yes I ran git commit -m "Fixed Typos in Translation Files"
[01:05] <bkerensa> and it showed the changes
[01:05] <slangasek> ok
[01:05] <slangasek> then you need to run 'git format-patch HEAD^ --stdout > git-gui-typo-fix.patch'
[01:06] <bkerensa> slangasek: Great success :P
[01:06] <bkerensa> slangasek: Now might you suggest a way to submit the generated patch?
[01:10] <slangasek> bkerensa: unless there's an email address that gateways to that gmane group, I have no idea
[01:11] <bkerensa> slangasek: Yeah I have it it seems they want me to send the patch inline to a address @kernel.org
[01:11] <bkerensa> ;p
[01:11] <bkerensa> specifically<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:12] <slangasek> right, that's plausible
[01:30] <bkerensa> slangasek: I submitted but they said something about MUA settings?
[01:30] <bkerensa> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.bugs.general/923255/focus=192295
[01:31] <slangasek> bkerensa: well, he's correct that the message shows double-spaced
[01:32] <slangasek> I have no idea why
[01:33] <bkerensa> slangasek: and he is asking me also to delete the from from values and improve the subject line?
[01:33] <slangasek> don't look at me :)
[01:33] <bkerensa> lol
[01:34] <bkerensa> slangasek: These are your debian folk :P
[01:34] <slangasek> no, they aren't
[01:34] <slangasek> that's someone replying to a post on the git upstream list
[01:38] <bkerensa> ahh
[01:50] <nathwill> oh man... is it naptime yet? what a day.
[01:53] <bkerensa> nathwill: never again
[01:53] <bkerensa> :(
[01:53] <nathwill> bkerensa: never again what? stay up til 3am the night before an event?
[01:54] <bkerensa> slangasek: the patch submitting process for that far upstream is nearly.... its not fun
[01:54] <bkerensa> :(
[01:54] <slangasek> agreed
[01:54] <bkerensa> nathwill: never submit a patch that far up
[01:54] <slangasek> that's why I make the Debian maintainer do it
[01:54] <slangasek> ;)
[01:54] <nathwill> i'm working on one with the gedit devs
[01:54] <nathwill> it's hilarious
[01:54] <bkerensa> slangasek: I have had three people reply with little tidbits of how they want the patch to look
[01:54] <bkerensa> nathwill: gedit doesnt go to lists that linus posts on
[01:54] <bkerensa> :(
[01:55] <nathwill> lolz
[01:55] <bkerensa> and apparently he posted on this list yesterday
[01:55] <nathwill> dude, bkerensa, gnome is the same
[01:55] <nathwill> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=671244
[01:55] <nathwill> and i can't argue with anything they suggest.
[01:55] <nathwill> they're right on, this is just hilarious
[01:55] <bkerensa> oh you had fun with sebsebseb
[01:55] <bkerensa> :D
[01:56] <bkerensa> nathwill: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/192299
[01:57] <bkerensa> :(
[01:57] <bkerensa> but if you look up in the main tree of that mailing list you can see I got bombed with critiques
[01:57] <bkerensa> ;p
[01:57] <nathwill> haha
[01:57] <bkerensa> why no "git propose"
[01:58] <bkerensa> or something the equiv of merge proposals in ubuntu
[01:59] <nathwill> everybody's got their own workflow... from what i can tell you pretty much have to do a thorough review of the history before having a clue how to propose something they'll accept
[01:59] <nathwill> lesson learned
[01:59] <bkerensa> nathwill: btw Sebastien Bacher (seb) is a ubuntu dev
[02:08] <nathwill> oh cool
[02:08] <nathwill> i also got a crazy letter from some dude in Ubuntu Developers something or other asking about my "experience contributing to Ubuntu"
[02:08] <nathwill> honestly, the fact that they even bother asking that question is my favorite thing about the experience
[02:09] <bkerensa> nathwill: Daniel Holbach? :P Oh you must have come up on our list of 1st timers
[02:09] <bkerensa> ;p
[02:09] <nathwill> i r a wirgin
[02:10] <nathwill> and i think it was andrewsomething
[02:10] <nathwill> anyways, workaday is over
[02:10] <nathwill> headed out.
[02:10] <nathwill> have a good night :)
[02:10] <bkerensa> kk
[16:03] <nathwill> happy tuesday all
[19:25] <bkerensa> ;p
[21:31] <bdmurray> if anybody sees Windipity she brought up bug 196874 yesterday and I just set it to Fix Released rather than forgetting about it.
[22:42] <nathwill> victory! http://git.gnome.org/browse/gedit/commit/?id=1721bf6d97fe01e73f24b5a320ef5166535a02c7
[23:53] <cweber10> bdmurray: will let Windipity know tomarow when we have lab together.
[23:53] <bdmurray> cweber10: okay, thanks


[05:24] <wizard_> hi there can anyone help with java?
[05:25] <wizard_> ubuntu problem
[10:14] <ghostlines> hi all, is it possible to creata a  JAX-WS client that works with an AXIS2 server?
[16:51] <user_> hi, i think i have a problem
[16:51] <user_> with jre on ubuntu lucid i386


[02:05] -queuebot:#edubuntu- Builds: Edubuntu Desktop amd64 [Mantic Daily] has been updated (20230509)


[00:08] <belkinsa> jrgifford and Unit193: ping
[00:09]  * Unit193 isn't here. :P
[00:11] <belkinsa> Well, I think it's fine...I over react to things.
[00:11] <belkinsa> But jrgifford ping for something else.
[00:12] <ronnoc> hi all
[00:12] <Unit193> ronnoc: Howdy.
[00:12] <belkinsa> Hey there ronnoc.
[00:13] <ronnoc> what's up tonight? besides moar snow -.-
[00:13] <belkinsa> It's freezing rain down here, but what....moar mess.  I'm fine, just tired.
[00:13] <belkinsa> How about you?
[00:14] <ronnoc> good here. working on a new eBay store that sells old vinyl records. having a blast. and also catching up on Planet KDE
[00:15]  * ronnoc lives in Lake Milton, so Akron is relatively close BTW
[00:15]  * belkinsa lives in West Chester, between Cinci and Dayton
[00:16] <ronnoc> ahhh
[00:17] <Unit193> Temp: 25 F (-4 C) ~ snow freezing fog ~ Windchill: 10 F (-12 C) ~ Humidity: 86% ~ Alert: Winter Weather Advisory ~ Observed: Mon 17, 19:02
[00:17] <Unit193> We're in for some fun.
[00:17] <belkinsa> .wx 45069
[00:17] <jenni> No ICAO code found, sorry.
[00:18] <Unit193> West Chester, OH: Temp: 34 F (1 C) ~ light rain mist ~ Windchill: 28 F (-2 C) ~ Humidity: 96% ~ Observed: Mon 17, 18:53
[00:18] <belkinsa> Thanks, getting that from that channel in the topic?
[00:18] <Unit193> Eh?
[00:18] <belkinsa> Nevermind
[00:19] <belkinsa> ##weather-us-oh is what I was talking about
[00:19] <Unit193> Seems my alt dropped out of there a bit ago.
[00:19] <ronnoc> no bount we are in for some fun Unit193
[00:20] <ronnoc> *doubt
[00:20] <Unit193> Indeed.
[00:20] <belkinsa> Sigh, I bet there will be more closings...
[00:20] <Unit193> belkinsa: Script I wrote.
[00:21] <belkinsa> Ah, I see.
[01:11] <belkinsa> Sigh, moar snow for us...
[04:44] <yano> .forecast 45069
[04:44] <jenni> Tue: 83.9 F / 80.4 F, Dew: 74.9 F, Wind: 6.4 mph, Drizzle in the morning. | Wed: 83.9 F / 80.9 F, Dew: 74.1 F, Wind: 8.0 mph, Light rain until afternoon. | Thur: 83.9 F / 80.0 F, Dew: 74.2 F, Wind: 7.0 mph, Partly cloudy throughout the day. | Fri: 83.9 F / 80.3 F, Dew: 73.8 F, Wind: 6.9 mph, Partly cloudy until afternoon. |
[04:45] <yano> er wat
[10:19] <belkinsa> .forecast 45069
[10:19] <jenni> Tue: 83.9 F / 81.0 F, Dew: 75.3 F, Wind: 6.7 mph, Drizzle in the morning. | Wed: 83.4 F / 80.3 F, Dew: 74.3 F, Wind: 7.1 mph, Light rain until afternoon. | Thur: 83.8 F / 80.7 F, Dew: 74.3 F, Wind: 6.0 mph, Drizzle until afternoon. | Fri: 83.9 F / 80.6 F, Dew: 74.1 F, Wind: 6.9 mph, Partly cloudy in the morning. |
[10:20] <belkinsa> Huh...weather.com you lied to me!
[10:20] <belkinsa> Nevermind...it was for Monday night.


[11:03] <ani> Any feedback on this PR? https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/4395
[11:03] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Pull 4395 in canonical/cloud-init "net: fix ipv6_dhcpv6_stateful/stateless/slaac configuration for rhel" [Open]
[11:43] <Schrostfutz> Hi, I'm trying to figure out how to have a cloud-config that simply defines an authorized ssh key for the root user, and does not create additional users. Is there a way to do this? I have trouble finding the proper documentation
[12:15] <meena> ani: i reckon most committers are currently held up in SRU.
[12:22] <meena> Schrostfutz: you could change the default_user in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg — or possibly in user-data, too, and then just use ssh_authorized_key: in user-data
[12:25] <toabctl> how does cloud-init netplan config passthrough work? I have a cloud-init config (see https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zj2CSchSTv/) which I use to generate a config-drive seed (cloud-localds cloud-init-config-node1.img cloud-init-config-node1.yaml) but after booting the node with that, the network config is not in /etc/netplan/50-cloud-init.yaml (but setting the password worked so the config in general worked)
[12:25] <toabctl> that's on Ubuntu 22.04 ^^
[12:26] <meena> toabctl: what do the logs say?
[12:27] <meena> (i ask, instead of explaining how cloud-init netplan config pass-through works, because i have no idea.)
[12:27] <meena> (i mostly work on BSDs)
[12:27] <Schrostfutz> meena: Thanks! I'll look into that.
[12:35] <toabctl> looks like userdata can not override network config?!
[12:37] <toabctl> meena, the logs are here: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dp9yfzjggb/
[12:37] <meena> toabctl: yes, you have to provide network config seperately
[12:38] <toabctl> can I do that with a nocloud datasource?
[12:38] <meena> toabctl: yes.
[12:39] <toabctl> ah. "cloud-localds -N". I'll try that.
[12:40] <meena> cool
[12:46] <toabctl> meena, works. thanks!
[12:46] <meena> toabctl: yay! \o/
[14:12] <blackboxsw> toabctl: netplan passthough just means cloud-init sees network "version: 2" from the datasource and knows if it is on a system with netplan installed. In that case, it does not attempt to convert that dictionary into cloud-init's internal NetworkState first for processing. It  just writes the version: 2 config directly to /etc/netplan/50-cloud-init.yaml
[14:13] <blackboxsw> and glad you found the cloudlocalds --network-config option. NoCloud datasource just looks for a yaml file network-config in the same directory as user-data and meta-data files


[04:37] <testmestress> lib.so.6 is missing
[04:37] <testmestress> i wish to use steam
[05:03] <testmestress> i'm good now


[06:56] <humphreybc> join #ayatana
[06:56] <humphreybc> oops
[10:18] <nisshh> jenkins: before you push any of your work on the dev manual to lp, grab the latest revisions ok?
[10:18] <jenkins> nisshh: yep as always :)
[10:18] <nisshh> jenkins: cool
[10:19] <nisshh> jenkins: i did some restructuring of the code yesterday and i dont want the branch to break :)
[10:19] <jenkins> cool, makes sense
[10:20] <nisshh> yea
[10:25] <nisshh> aquarius: do you have a minute? i just have a few questions about what you had planned for the dev manual
[10:44] <aquarius> nisshh, sure
[10:45] <nisshh> aquarius: on the wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/10.10/DeveloperManual
[10:45] <nisshh> you have listed a basic outline of the chapter
[10:46] <nisshh> what i want to know is about the first point listed
[10:46] <nisshh> "when to use desktopcouch"
[10:46] <nisshh> aquarius: can you expand more on that?
[10:47] <nisshh> im about to write the desktop couch chapter
[10:47] <aquarius> OK. Have you seen the existing desktopcouch documentation?
[10:47] <nisshh> some of it yes
[10:47] <aquarius> essentially, I planned to do that, but in more detail and with more examples
[10:48] <nisshh> aquarius: right
[10:48] <aquarius> I planned to show how to add a new desktopcouch backend to an existing piece of software, and how to write a new program that used desktopcouch exclusively as its storage system
[10:48] <nisshh> ah. yes
[10:48] <aquarius> and talk a little about slipcover, and how to find out whether DC is replicating OK
[10:48] <nisshh> slipcover?
[10:50] <nisshh> aquarius: you were planning to base it off this?: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/desktopcouch/Documentation/SimpleGuide
[10:51] <nisshh> ah, the slipcover app, right
[10:57] <aquarius> yep, the simpleguide and the other DC documentation: there's some stuff in there about how DC works under the covers, which is probably not necessary in the Manual
[10:57] <aquarius> but there is stuff in there explaining how to choose a database, what record types are for, and so on
[10:59] <nisshh> right, thanks for clearing that up for me aquarius :)
[12:32] <ChrisWoollard> ping godbyk
[12:33] <alket> hi
[12:33] <ChrisWoollard> hello
[20:21] <jenkins> evening all
[20:27] <ChrisWoollard> evening
[20:28] <jenkins> hey ChrisWoollard
[20:28] <jenkins> hows you?
[20:29] <ChrisWoollard> good thanks
[20:29] <ChrisWoollard> 'tis quiet here this evening.
[20:29] <jenkins> yea, I think we are all busy as usual
[20:30] <ChrisWoollard> I am going to work on some bugs in a bit.
[20:31] <jenkins> I had noticed the bug mail filling my inbox :P
[20:31] <jenkins> nice to see work being done
[20:31] <ChrisWoollard> :)
[22:10] <c7p> hello all
[22:11] <zkriesse> hello c7p
[22:12] <c7p> for about a half week the channel is pretty quite :-/
[22:12] <daker> hi
[22:13] <c7p> hi daker
[23:37] <daker> dutchie, are you around ?
[23:39] <daker> dutchie, https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual-website/+junk/ump-planet-theme


[08:33] <OERIAS> Hey XenuLives made a comment on the chat
 When does Ubuntu Masturbating Monkey get released?
[17:12] <jesuslovesyouthi> who can I speak to about a mod who treats a situation unfairly on this server? is there anyone to appeal to?
[21:35] <TJ-> can someone have a word with FatSpitfire in #ubuntu? profanity, insulting behaviour


[01:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: deluge (hirsute-proposed/primary) [2.0.3-3]
[01:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: qbittorrent (hirsute-proposed/primary) [4.2.5-0.1]
[01:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: vlc-plugin-bittorrent (hirsute-proposed/primary) [2.11-1]
[01:39] <Ukikie> ↑ since libtorrent-rasterbar is back, if you guys have other plans then please disregard.  But AFAIK rasterbar was only removed due to python 3.9.
[07:52] <apw> kyrofa, the architectures align with those involved, you may wish to retry them
[08:43] <doko> apparently builders won't be back before tomorrow
[09:47] <Laney> I've re-enabled approximately half of the autopkgtest workers (one of the clouds is up)
[09:49] <Laney> but FYI I am on holiday this week so won't be around all the time
[09:49] <Laney> not that I'm going anywhere
[09:51] <Ukikie> Perhaps an AA can remove xfce4-notes-plugin to let all of the pending Xfce packages migrate?
[09:54] <seb128> hey there
[09:55] <seb128> any idea what's up with the daily ISO? https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/hirsute/ubuntu/ shows successfull builds from yesterday and today but cdimage has no updates to the proposed image
[10:00] <Laney> seb128: cdimage is waiting for an arm64 result before doing the rest of its stuff, should start working again once the buildds are online I'd expect
[10:00] <Laney> BYE!
[10:00] <seb128> Laney, enjoy the holidays!
[10:01] <Laney> sil2100: you might want to take a look at ancientminister, seems the jobs will wait forever for the livefs build to finish, and then the next day's job still tries to start
[10:01] <Laney> not sure if things need killing
[10:01] <Laney> o/
[10:10] <sil2100> Laney: o/
[10:10] <sil2100> Will look o/
[10:18] <sil2100> What a mess
[10:21] <sil2100> I'll disable dailies that are of the affected arches until things are resolved
[10:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gsort [amd64] (hirsute-proposed) [0.1.4-2]
[10:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gsort [riscv64] (hirsute-proposed) [0.1.4-2]
[10:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected deluge [sync] (hirsute-proposed) [2.0.3-3]
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[10:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gdk-pixbuf [amd64] (hirsute-proposed) [2.40.0+dfsg-7]
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[10:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gdk-pixbuf [riscv64] (hirsute-proposed) [2.40.0+dfsg-7]
[10:50] <doko> Laney: update_excuses shows for python3-defaults amd64 tests which are in progress, but the queue is empty. same for arm64/armhf, but the huge queue is empty as well ...
[10:58] <cpaelzer__> I've had a similar issue last week o ppc64el doko
[10:59] <cpaelzer__> plenty of tests listed as "in progress" but the queue being empty
[10:59] <cpaelzer__> I waited two days, but nothing changed which eventually meant I had to re-start them
[10:59] <cpaelzer__> that worked
[10:59] <cpaelzer__> via retry-autopkgtest-regressions --state RUNNING  ...
[11:00] <cpaelzer__> maybe the datacenter move consumed more runs and left them in an awkward state?
[11:00] <cpaelzer__> someone with more insight to the internal state machine might better know what/when to reset
[11:01] <doko> no, that was already before the move started
[11:01] <cpaelzer__> I'd not be surprised if after the datacenter move is fulyl complete there has to be a "cancel all, restart all not completed" or such
[11:02] <doko> or use the time now ...
[11:08] <Laney> doko: This is what I told you about last week, that some tests might not be queued, because of the delete and restore.
[11:08] <Laney> You can add them back if you want.
[11:08] <Laney> (still not here o/)
[11:08] <doko> hmm, so add them manually for each one?
[11:10] <doko> vorlon: most likely something in the perl stack, which needed that as a new dependency? isn't there exactly one dependencie on the runtime package?
[11:13] <Laney> I'll do it this evening if you want, otherwise yes, you can use retry-autopkgtest-regressions for that as cpaelzer__ said.
[11:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ola [amd64] (hirsute-proposed/universe) [0.10.8.nojsmin-1] (no packageset)
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[12:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-oracle [amd64] (hirsute-proposed/main) [5.8.0-1011.11+21.04.1] (core, kernel)
[12:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ola [riscv64] (hirsute-proposed/universe) [0.10.8.nojsmin-1] (no packageset)
[12:40] <cpaelzer> sil2100: thanks for the ping on the qemu armhf fail in groovy
[12:40] <cpaelzer> sil2100: this is the gcc fail doko and I look at for a while already
[12:40] <cpaelzer> sil2100: it should be working with a (few) retrie(s) which I've started
[12:41] <cpaelzer> I've updated the bug accordingly
[13:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: golang-golang-x-tools [arm64] (hirsute-proposed/universe) [1:0.0~git20201121.780cb80+ds-1] (no packageset)
[13:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: golang-golang-x-tools [armhf] (hirsute-proposed/universe) [1:0.0~git20201121.780cb80+ds-1] (no packageset)
[13:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rust-cpp-syn [arm64] (hirsute-proposed/universe) [0.12.0-1] (no packageset)
[13:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rust-cpp-syn [armhf] (hirsute-proposed/universe) [0.12.0-1] (no packageset)
[13:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: golang-golang-x-tools [s390x] (hirsute-proposed/universe) [1:0.0~git20201121.780cb80+ds-1] (no packageset)
[13:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: golang-golang-x-tools [ppc64el] (hirsute-proposed/universe) [1:0.0~git20201121.780cb80+ds-1] (no packageset)
[13:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ola [armhf] (hirsute-proposed/universe) [0.10.8.nojsmin-1] (no packageset)
[13:54]  * LocutusOfBorg bootstraps gdk-pixbuf
[13:55] <LocutusOfBorg> sigh
[14:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ola [ppc64el] (hirsute-proposed/universe) [0.10.8.nojsmin-1] (no packageset)
[14:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ola [arm64] (hirsute-proposed/universe) [0.10.8.nojsmin-1] (no packageset)
[14:17] <doko> removed gdk-pixbuf from -proposed, it's uninstallable
[14:19] <LocutusOfBorg> doko, I'm publishing bileto shortly
[14:19] <LocutusOfBorg> https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4345
[14:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rust-cpp-syn [ppc64el] (hirsute-proposed/universe) [0.12.0-1] (no packageset)
[14:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rust-foreign-types-0.3 [ppc64el] (hirsute-proposed/universe) [0.3.2-1] (no packageset)
[14:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted golang-golang-x-tools [amd64] (hirsute-proposed) [1:0.0~git20201121.780cb80+ds-1]
[14:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted golang-golang-x-tools [armhf] (hirsute-proposed) [1:0.0~git20201121.780cb80+ds-1]
[14:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted golang-golang-x-tools [riscv64] (hirsute-proposed) [1:0.0~git20201121.780cb80+ds-1]
[14:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ola [amd64] (hirsute-proposed) [0.10.8.nojsmin-1]
[14:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ola [armhf] (hirsute-proposed) [0.10.8.nojsmin-1]
[14:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ola [riscv64] (hirsute-proposed) [0.10.8.nojsmin-1]
[14:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-cpp-syn [armhf] (hirsute-proposed) [0.12.0-1]
[14:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-foreign-types-0.3 [ppc64el] (hirsute-proposed) [0.3.2-1]
[14:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted golang-golang-x-tools [arm64] (hirsute-proposed) [1:0.0~git20201121.780cb80+ds-1]
[14:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted golang-golang-x-tools [s390x] (hirsute-proposed) [1:0.0~git20201121.780cb80+ds-1]
[14:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ola [ppc64el] (hirsute-proposed) [0.10.8.nojsmin-1]
[14:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-cpp-syn [ppc64el] (hirsute-proposed) [0.12.0-1]
[14:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted golang-golang-x-tools [ppc64el] (hirsute-proposed) [1:0.0~git20201121.780cb80+ds-1]
[14:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-cpp-syn [arm64] (hirsute-proposed) [0.12.0-1]
[14:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ola [arm64] (hirsute-proposed) [0.10.8.nojsmin-1]
[14:48] <doko> Laney: given all tests triggered by python3-defaults, interestingly there were none to give back for arm64 and s390x
[15:22]  * LocutusOfBorg publishes bileto with gdk-pixbuf in 10 minutes, please say something if should be delayed
[15:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntustudio-menu [source] (groovy-proposed) [0.50~20.10.1]
[15:50] <juliank> rddv-0000000000000000000888888888888888888777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777
[15:50] <juliank><PHONE_NUMBER>77777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777
[15:50] <juliank><PHONE_NUMBER>7777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777
[15:50] <juliank> oops sorry, my keyboard got attacked by water
[15:54] <marcustomlinson> good to see it's still working :D
[15:54] <Odd_Bloke> Or that last line was an incredible coincidence.
[15:57] <juliank> I put it upside down
[16:00] <Maik> it's a miracle it's still working
[16:06] <RikMills> juliank: just as well it wasn't a sticky liquid
[16:06] <RikMills> like beer
[16:08] <juliank> It's fine, it was a tiny amount on a limited surface
[16:09] <juliank> 20 ml or so
[16:09] <juliank> most of it landed on the plastic inside of the model m or stayed on the keycaps
[16:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: git-review (bionic-proposed/universe) [1.26.0-1 => 1.27.0-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (no packageset)
[17:02] <juliank> sil2100: We can remove apt/2.1.11 from groovy-proposed, it's not going to land, it will be superseded at some point, but no time right now
[17:04] <sil2100> juliank: ACK o/
[17:07] <sil2100> Done
[17:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: adcli (groovy-proposed/main) [0.9.0-1ubuntu1.1 => 0.9.0-1ubuntu1.2] (ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-server) (sync)
[17:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted adcli [sync] (groovy-proposed) [0.9.0-1ubuntu1.2]
[17:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: adcli (focal-proposed/main) [0.9.0-1 => 0.9.0-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: adcli (bionic-proposed/universe) [0.8.2-1 => 0.8.2-1ubuntu1] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected adcli [source] (focal-proposed) [0.9.0-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[17:33] <xnox> i wish i had the "launchpad publish now ppa:xnox/ubuntu/nonvirt hirsute suite" like the "vsc git import now this branch" button
[17:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected adcli [source] (bionic-proposed) [0.8.2-1ubuntu1]
[17:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted adcli [sync] (focal-proposed) [0.9.0-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[17:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted adcli [sync] (bionic-proposed) [0.8.2-1ubuntu1]
[17:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted snapd [source] (groovy-proposed) [2.48+20.10]
[17:45] <vorlon> doko: sorry, I'm missing any context for your comment to me - what about something in the perl stack?
[17:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted snapd [source] (focal-proposed) [2.48+20.04]
[17:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted snapd [source] (bionic-proposed) [2.48+18.04]
[17:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted snapd [source] (xenial-proposed) [2.48]
[17:49] <doko> vorlon: you asked about libgtop/i386
[17:51] <vorlon> doko: ah. well there are a lot of reverse-depends of libgtop-2.0-11, but nothing that looks perlish
[17:52] <vorlon> doko: looks like libxfce4ui
[17:59] <LocutusOfBorg> 2020-11-23 16:51:46,050 INFO Requesting copy of gdk-pixbuf 2.40.0+dfsg-7build2 in hirsute.
[17:59] <LocutusOfBorg> 2020-11-23 16:51:46,055 INFO Succeeded in 0m 9s
[17:59] <LocutusOfBorg> mmmm 1.5 hours and still nothing on hirsute...
[18:01]  * LocutusOfBorg tries a manual copy
[18:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gdk-pixbuf [i386] (hirsute-proposed/main) [2.40.0+dfsg-7build1] (desktop-core, i386-whitelist, ubuntu-server)
[18:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gdk-pixbuf [s390x] (hirsute-proposed/main) [2.40.0+dfsg-7build1] (desktop-core, i386-whitelist, ubuntu-server)
[18:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gdk-pixbuf [ppc64el] (hirsute-proposed/main) [2.40.0+dfsg-7build1] (desktop-core, i386-whitelist, ubuntu-server)
[18:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gdk-pixbuf [armhf] (hirsute-proposed/main) [2.40.0+dfsg-7build1] (desktop-core, i386-whitelist, ubuntu-server)
[18:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gdk-pixbuf [arm64] (hirsute-proposed/main) [2.40.0+dfsg-7build1] (desktop-core, i386-whitelist, ubuntu-server)
[18:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: sssd (focal-proposed/main) [2.2.3-3 => 2.2.3-3ubuntu1] (ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-server) (sync)
[18:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected sssd [source] (focal-proposed) [2.2.3-3ubuntu1]
[18:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected sssd [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.16.1-1ubuntu1.7]
[18:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: sssd (bionic-proposed/main) [1.16.1-1ubuntu1.6 => 1.16.1-1ubuntu1.7] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-server) (sync)
[18:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected sssd [sync] (focal-proposed) [2.2.3-3ubuntu1]
[18:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted sssd [sync] (bionic-proposed) [1.16.1-1ubuntu1.7]
[19:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gdk-pixbuf [riscv64] (hirsute-proposed/main) [2.40.0+dfsg-7build1] (desktop-core, i386-whitelist, ubuntu-server)
[19:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gdk-pixbuf [amd64] (hirsute-proposed/main) [2.40.0+dfsg-7build1] (desktop-core, i386-whitelist, ubuntu-server)
[19:25] <LocutusOfBorg> gdk-pixbuf is ok now
[19:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nautilus-sendto (focal-proposed/main) [3.8.6-3 => 3.8.6-3ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (ubuntu-desktop)
[19:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nautilus-sendto (groovy-proposed/main) [3.8.6-3 => 3.8.6-3ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (ubuntu-desktop)
[21:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted opencryptoki [source] (bionic-proposed) [3.9.0+dfsg-0ubuntu1.3]


[10:00] <bittin> any new episode today?
[10:00] <bittin> of the podcast
[10:00] <bittin> that is
[11:05] <mainek00n> I was looking at the Ubuntu Security Tracker git repository and found something strange.
[11:05] <mainek00n> In the README, Package Status should be written as `<release>_<source-package>: <status> (<version/notes>)`.
[11:05] <mainek00n> However, in https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cve-tracker/tree/active/CVE-2022-1921, it is written as `upstream_gst-plugins-good1.0: 1.20.3`.
[11:06] <mainek00n> Checking at https://ubuntu.com/security/CVE-2022-1921, the status of upstream is released.
[11:07] <mainek00n> Therefore, it should be written as `upstream_gst-plugins-good1.0: released (1.20.3)`.
[11:09] <mainek00n> If you know of a more appropriate place to report, please let me know.
[11:28] <amurray> bittin: yes, apologies I am a bit behind - will take another hour or two
[11:30] <amurray> mainek00n (if you see this in IRC logs): thanks for the heads up - I've just updated it via https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cve-tracker/commit/?id=0d72c098eed6292d3fd067d3fb57186cee7a289d
[11:31] <amurray> mainek00n: thanks for heads up - I've just updated it https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cve-tracker/commit/?id=0d72c098eed6292d3fd067d3fb57186cee7a289d
[11:32] <amurray> (we do have a script which is meant to catch things like this but apparently we purposefully don't check the upstream field: https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cve-tracker/tree/scripts/check-syntax#n473)
[11:35] <mainek00n> I'm watching this repository pretty carefully, but if I find mistakes again, shall I send a Patch?
[11:37] <mainek00n> For example, a typo for `Tags_cupsys_gutsy` instead of `Tags_cups_gutsy`.
[11:37] <mainek00n> https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cve-tracker/tree/retired/CVE-2007-4351?id=0d72c098eed6292d3fd067d3fb57186cee7a289d#n19
[11:38] <bittin> amurray, alright attending Fedora flock, but will listen to it tommorow then, thanks
[12:45] <amurray> mainek00n: sure, you can send a merge request if you like - see https://help.launchpad.net/Code/Git for how launchpad does git - in particular once you've cloned the git repo you can push it to your own remote (see "Pushing your code" on that help page)  - and when you do push it to your own local fork, git should then prompt you if you want to file a merge request
[12:46] <amurray> mainek00n: or you can do it via the web interface too I think - see "Fork it to your account" on https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cve-tracker
[12:55] <amurray> bittin: hope you enjoy flock! - fwiw the podcast for this week just went live - https://ubuntusecuritypodcast.org/episode-171/
[13:04] <bittin> amurray, thanks
[14:14] <sbeattie> mainek00n: FYI, back in gutsy, the source package for cups was named cupsys, it's not a typo. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cupsys/+publishinghistory
[14:15] <sbeattie> mainek00n: oh, I see what you're saying.
[14:16]  * sbeattie gets coffee
[14:24] <mainek00n> I was thinking the same thing about cupsys.
[14:24] <mainek00n> https://git.launchpad.net/~mainek00n/ubuntu-cve-tracker/commit/?id=2b2e900c9519d518eb789a11fd4088a0c84c93d6
[14:26] <mainek00n> I'm sorry I'm not good at communicating……
[14:31] <mainek00n> I wrote two patches.
[14:31] <mainek00n> https://code.launchpad.net/~mainek00n/ubuntu-cve-tracker/+git/ubuntu-cve-tracker/+ref/patch-1
[14:31] <mainek00n> https://code.launchpad.net/~mainek00n/ubuntu-cve-tracker/+git/ubuntu-cve-tracker/+ref/patch-2
[19:10] <luis220413> Please release the fix for node-moment in bug 1982617.
[21:09] <luis220413> Please release the fix for jupyter-notebook in bug 1982670, even though CVE-2021-32798 is unfixed (it requires at least 5 new packages in Bionic and 3 in Focal).
[21:29] <luis220413> leosilva: I have fixes for 2 distinct packages ready for sponsoring.
[21:32] <luis220413> See bug 1982617 and bug 1982670


[02:01] <spydmobile> just setup the nightly builds repo and upped my 9.10 to .23 however the themes were not upgraded and it is crashing, any suggestions for a fix?
[02:03] <spydmobile> The following packages have been kept back:   libmyth-0.22-0 libmyth-perl mytharchive mythgallery mythmusic mythnews mythtv-backend mythtv-common mythtv-frontend mythtv-themes mythtv-transcode-utils   mythvideo mythweather nvidia-glx-185
[02:07] <spydmobile> required a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade not sure why
[02:35] <wsuetholz> Hello, I'm running into a problem with my diskless client setup under Mythbuntu 9.10, which seems to be basically using ltsp for the diskless portion.  I have two basically working, except for the delay that happens after udhcp regets it's IP information.  From the warnings it seems to be having troubles mounting files..   But I'm trying to add a new one, That one never makes it past the spot that the others delay on..  I did see
[02:36] <wsuetholz> I've tried mythtv-users, where I was politely told to go to my Distro's IRC channel..  And, I've tried ltsp where I didn't get a response.
[04:24] <beastlykings> Hi, I'm running mythbuntu 9.10 and I'm having a hard time finding the settings menu.  Before, in some previous release, if you went into settings in the gui you could exit the the frontend and it would bring up a window with all kinds of options including opening a terminal and things like that
[04:24] <beastlykings> where is it in 9.10?
[04:26] <beastlykings> nevermind, while I didn't find that particular menu, I found the submenu with the options I was looking for
[04:55] <beastlykings> the control center is what I was looking for
[07:42] <Rossi25> hi, anybody know, why dvd can't play ? and how to play protected dvd?
[14:29] <mazda01> hey guys, what is the easiest way to export my recordings to avi to shrink them down. can I do it from  a remote frontend?
[14:30] <mazda01> backend doesn't need to keep info about files I export. xbmc is my video/tv show media center frontend.
[14:52] <mrand> mazda01: avi doesn't necessarily shrink files down... it is a container, not a codec.  Mythtranscode or mythexport are two ways do this, I think.  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=668551&page=2 talks about .avi from mythexport (using ffmpeg).
[14:52] <Zinn> [ubuntuforums.org] MythExport: Export your MythTV recordings to your iPod or PSP - Page 2 - Ubuntu Forums
[15:03] <mazda01> mrand, can I do mythexport from a remote frontend?
[15:10] <markl_> ok weird, i loaded the latest packages and now i am getting this: AudioOutput Warning: Mixer attach error -2: No such file or directory
[15:13] <markl_> and a flac error: AV decoder. Error: -2
[15:13] <markl_> ok i know what that one is, skip that
[15:38] <mrand> mazda01: sorry, I don't know.  I believe mythtrancode will though.
[15:38] <mazda01> can i use a different computer than the master backend to use mythexport?
[15:54] <mrand> mazda01: I don't know.  I haven't used  it, and its developer isn't around right now.
[16:58] <dewman> mrand, do you happen to know of any gotchas when moving database files to another drive for mythbuntu?
[17:51] <dewman> mrand, Actually i found it..... http://blog.taragana.com/index.php/archive/how-to-move-the-mysql-data-directory-in-ubuntu/
[17:51] <Zinn> [blog.taragana.com] How to Move the MySQL data directory in Ubuntu
[18:14] <symptom> is mythbuntu's hardware compatibility list the same as mythtv?
[18:53] <mrand> symptom: in theory, yes.  The only catch is that each newer version of Ubuntu has a newer version of the kernel, and on occasion, compatibility with a few pieces of hardware and/or firmware breaks.
[18:56] <symptom> is that something that the mythbuntu community works on, or would it be more reliable to install ubuntu and mythtv on top of it.  I suppose the obvious advantage is that you dont have to compile the myth source on your own.
[19:02] <Ratok_Michael> hello everyone, i am new to hdtv and the channels sending hd ready or normal quality work fine, but the newer ones (full HD) produce jitter though system has low cpu usage (Intel 4500XHD, Celeron E3400, KNC ONE Tuner Card DVB-C)
[19:03] <mrand> symptom: either way should work about the same... mythbuntu uses ubuntu as a base and simply customizes a few things (desktop theme, among others).
[19:04] <symptom> ah ok
[19:06] <mrand> Ratok_Michael: I'm not sure what to say.  I haven't been keeping up on Intel video or decode lately (even though I bought a G35 when it was new with the intent that it might someday support hardware decode).
[19:08] <Ratok_Michael> so you think its a problem of hardware decoding?
[19:10] <mrand> Ratok_Michael, here's my ideas:
[19:14] <mrand> Try to play back something using a program other than myth... vlc or mplayer or whatever.  If that fails then it may not be a problem with myth... either a problem with the capture, or with the 4500XHD playback (btw, I'm not aware that 4500XHD hardware decoding is used, and/or if it is used, if it works).
[19:14] <mrand> If it does play in the other program, then, capture a frontend log, preferably with extra verbose level for playback "-v playback" I think.
[19:15] <Ratok_Michael> ok im not quite into other good programs, hence how to use my video card with it
[19:15] <Ratok_Michael> maybe i try kaffeine
[19:32] <Ratok_Michael> ok kaffeine works fine
[19:32] <Ratok_Michael> how can i take this frontend log?
[19:34] <Ratok_Michael> oh this is interesting, kaffeine produces audio lags - video fine, but mythtv produces video lags and fine audio
[19:59] <SirColin> does anyone know of a HALF decent guide for setting up a sound blaster live pci card
[20:15] <st8ofmi9d> I'll be upgrading to Mythbuntu 10.04 once it becomes available. Will 10.04 have netboot/diskless frontends as part of the setup options (as I beleive it was in version prior to 9.10) or will I need to install it after the fact?
[20:17] <qwebirc93026> hello ! i have a question about diseqc! i have a skystar pci rev 2.8, kernel <IP_ADDRESS> . i try to scan my lnbs via scan , but i can only reach the first lnb,
[20:33] <qwebirc56199> New to this, and everything installed correctly according to the promts. When I try to watch live tv its no good. I have a pinnacle HDTV USB tuner and trying to watch OTA, am I just SOL?
[22:31] <tgm4883> st8ofmi9d, there won't be setup for diskless provided from MCC
[22:42] <st8ofmi9d> tgm4883: Thanks. I'll just have to play with setting it up myself. I'm trying it with Mythbuntu 9.04 and I get as far as the Ubuntu Logo splash screen adn it just seems to hang there. Or so it has been there for 15-mins now.
[23:55] <ripperda> hello, I have a system that I originally installed as a frontend + backend, but want to convert to just backend
[23:55] <ripperda> I can go through and purge various X/frontend related packages, but I was hoping to just boot to "runlevel 3" without X running before I did something that drastic
[23:56] <ripperda> unfortunately, I'm not up to date on the current ubuntu runlevel packaging, is there an easy way to not start X on boot?


 Guys?
 Did you verify the ISO before burning it to bootable media? (re @Forexnoob2020: Guys?)
[15:18] <tomreyn> initrd failed to unpack, may be a system with insufficient RAM
 ^ that's also possible
 It has 1gb ram (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <tomreyn> initrd failed to unpack, may be a system with insufficient RAM)
 It can work?
 I did not verify the download but i downloaded it twice from 2 different browsers (re @teward001: Did you verify the ISO before burning it to bootable media?)
 And still same
 just to confirm, where did you download the ISO from and which Lubuntu version are you trying to install?
 because I want to make sure that (1) you're installing a recent version, and (2) you're actually downloading from the right place
 Okay just a moment ill send the link
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/8ab4f6db/file_9550.jpg
 This one
 ok good you are on the right site.
 Amd i downloaded this 22.04.2
 1GB RAM is the *minimum* I would say you need for the installer to function, but it's also possible the installer disk might have other issues.
 U mean the harddrive?
 I have an hp notebook 620
 no, the RAM, as tomreyn was mentioning
 Is there anything else i can install maybe?
[16:28] <tomreyn> reducing the video ram in bios may help
[16:30] <tomreyn> also known as "vram", "shared video memory" etc.
 Ill have to check that
 Cannot satisfy dependencies :(
 Found it on discover :) hallelujah :D mental note to use that more


[14:41] <Sideways> Does anyone know about p8p67 MB and their  intel 82579V Gigabit nics not working with ubuntu?


[05:07] <wilee-nilee> I think we have a bit doing PM on #ubuntu
[05:07] <wilee-nilee> bot*
 anudas: I am n ot sure cause many people are seeding asnd leeching it already
[07:14] <bazhang> the other shoe drops
[07:14] <Jordan_U> Do we discourage helping users with anything related to pirated content?
[07:14] <bazhang> up to you, I suppose
[07:15] <bazhang> he pretty much brazenly stated it, hard to ignore
[07:16] <bazhang> the only better ones are: "why can't I get more seeders", and "I need an internet accelerator"
[07:16] <Jordan_U> I am personally inclined to still help, as it's not a question of helping them obtain the media, just how to unzip the file they already have.
[07:17] <bazhang> hah, he quit
[07:20] <bazhang> thought that Macbuntu theme was pretty much a system wrecker
[13:16] <sarnold> mikey is back, pretending to be ikonia in #ubuntu-server.
[13:31] <ikonia> huh ?
[13:31] <ikonia> what's up ?
[13:32] <sarnold> ikonia: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7551534/
[13:32] <ikonia> fantastic
[13:32] <ikonia> thanks
[13:33] <ikonia> @mark #lkonia #ubuntu-server the user mikey85 pretending to be me to cause problems with abuse - ban on sight
[13:33] <ikonia> @mark lkonia #ubuntu-server the user mikey85 pretending to be me to cause problems with abuse - ban on sight
[13:33] <ikonia> thanks sarnold
[13:33] <sarnold> oooo
[13:33] <sarnold> thanks ikonia :)
[13:38] <h00k> oo, you have an admirer
[13:39] <h00k> maybe again in #ubuntu-offtopic right now
[13:40] <h00k> Joe_DM
[13:40] <ikonia> different host
[14:28] <bazhang> was he ddosing people?
[20:24] <peyam> Hi


[00:54] <cprofitt> 7 minutes until meeting of #ubuntu-learning
[00:59] <montel> cprofitt: what is that?
[00:59] <pleia2> montel: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning
[00:59] <cprofitt> 1 minute until meeting
[01:00] <montel> 45 sec till meeting
[01:00] <montel> lol
[01:00] <cprofitt> #startmeeting
[01:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 19:00. The chair is cprofitt.
[01:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[01:00] <cprofitt> [TOPIC] Welcome
[01:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  Welcome
[01:00] <cprofitt> Hello everyone...
[01:00] <cprofitt> roll call please
[01:00]  * cprofitt here
[01:00]  * pleia2 here
[01:01]  * montel here
[01:01] <cprofitt> ok... well lets get rolling... if you come in late please just say here.
[01:01] <bodhi_zazen> here :)
[01:01] <cprofitt> [TOPIC] Licensing
[01:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Licensing
[01:02] <cprofitt> doc is not here...
[01:02] <cprofitt> but the topic is still valid...
[01:02] <doctormo> Aye aye
[01:02] <cprofitt> ah... here he is...
[01:02] <cprofitt> your up - licensing doctormo
[01:02] <doctormo> Thanks for the prod pleia2
[01:02] <pleia2> np :)
[01:03] <doctormo> I propose that we use CC-BY-SA licenses for anything created inside of the project and restrict the use of derivitive sources with licenses more restrictive than that.
[01:04] <cprofitt> I am not following that doctormo
[01:04] <pleia2> what are our specific concerns WRT people taking content?
[01:04] <cprofitt> what do you mean by the second part of that...
[01:04] <doctormo> I recommend commercial use be made possible, even promotted and I would recommend not using CC-NC sources. Although this doesn't apply to linked material.
[01:04] <cprofitt> I agree on not using NC
[01:05] <doctormo> cprofitt: This may be contentius because it means we can't use the offical desktop manual from Canonical.
[01:05] <cprofitt> because they license it differently?
[01:06] <pleia2> I think that would be unfortunate
[01:06] <bodhi_zazen> why can we not user the official desktop manual ?
[01:06] <cprofitt> I would like to explore the why we can not...
[01:06] <bodhi_zazen> is the content on your site not separate ?
[01:07] <cprofitt> How is the official manual licensed?
[01:07] <bodhi_zazen> I think liscencing is something well worth discussing , as in say we link to other pages ?
[01:08] <cprofitt> the manual is [TOPIC]
[01:08] <cprofitt> the manual is BY-NC-SA
[01:08] <cprofitt> I think we have to preserve the license of the original content holder...
[01:08] <cprofitt> we can not alter it.
[01:08] <doctormo> correct
[01:09] <doctormo> We will not be allowed to use our own dervivitive works, based on that, in a commercial setting (which may be unfortunatly broad)
[01:09] <bodhi_zazen> link to various options ?
[01:09] <cprofitt> is there a way for us to link to it... as a reference manual...
[01:09] <doctormo> cprofitt: linking is fine, we don't need to agree to the license to link.
[01:09] <cprofitt> So we do not derive anything from it...
[01:09] <cprofitt> we just tell people to go read it...
[01:10] <cprofitt> make our own...
[01:10] <doctormo> correct, and any other materials that are restricted where we can't get clear re-licensing.
[01:10] <cprofitt> or make that one course comply with BY-NC-AA
[01:10] <cprofitt> ok...
[01:10] <cprofitt> everyone understand that legal issue?
[01:10] <bodhi_zazen> no :)
[01:10] <doctormo> It would have been good to have greg-g in here to talk about it
[01:10] <pleia2> I nudged him, he doesn't appear to be around
[01:11] <bodhi_zazen> I did not prep for this discussion
[01:11] <cprofitt> ok... well... I think we need to get advice from greg-g on how restricted we are with using materials in our course
[01:11] <cprofitt> if we are linking to them and not coping them and putting them in the course
[01:12] <cprofitt> does everyone agree we need to have this topic taken as an action item with greg-g?
[01:12] <bodhi_zazen> Well, is copy not plagiarism ?
[01:12] <pleia2> cprofitt: +1
[01:12] <bodhi_zazen> we need permission on the contents we link or "copy"
[01:12] <cprofitt> I do not think we need permission to link bodhi_zazen, but we would need permission to copy or derive work from
[01:13] <cprofitt> and the real question is - if a course using that as a reference is a derivative work...
[01:13] <cprofitt> I would think not
[01:13] <bodhi_zazen> well, link no
[01:13] <cprofitt> but we should ask greg-g
[01:13] <bodhi_zazen> but what about displaying the contents of say a wiki page ?
[01:14] <cprofitt> [ACTION] cprofitt - ask greg-g about restricted license reference material linked too
[01:14] <MootBot> ACTION received:  cprofitt - ask greg-g about restricted license reference material linked too
[01:14] <cprofitt> that would depend on the license of the wiki page bodhi_zazen
[01:14] <cprofitt> if we copy it in to Moodle then I would imagine it would not be allowed if it were protected
[01:14] <montel> cprofitt: i pinged greg-g, he is in my LoCo
[01:14] <cprofitt> [TOPIC] Confirm Wording of Wiki Page goal is correct (changed to remove focus on irc classrooms.
[01:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  Confirm Wording of Wiki Page goal is correct (changed to remove focus on irc classrooms.
[01:15] <cprofitt> You are up again doctormo
[01:15] <doctormo> Aye
[01:15] <doctormo> Hang on I was just caught up in something
[01:15] <cprofitt> k
[01:16] <doctormo> OK, one thing we need to vote on
[01:16] <cprofitt> I think the goal stated on the frontpage is still not reflective of what the group decided last meeting
[01:16] <doctormo> before we go on
[01:16] <cprofitt> k- what?
[01:16] <bodhi_zazen> which page exactly , would you post a link so we are all on the same page ?
[01:17] <doctormo> Should we restrict our content, newly created and derived works to be CC-BY-SA or lower.
[01:17] <doctormo> So new members know what their creations are going to have to be to get in
[01:17] <cprofitt> I am not ready to vote yet doctormo
[01:17] <Vantrax|Work> sorry for being late guys, hazzards of being at work
[01:17] <cprofitt> I would like to get information form greg-g
[01:17] <bodhi_zazen> +1 cprofitt
[01:17] <doctormo> cprofitt: hmm, ok, what is your deciding logic?
[01:18] <Vantrax|Work> the desktop course is not linkable from inside moodle due to it being in a big pdf file, as such we will need to replicate it, keeping the licencing
[01:18] <cprofitt> I would like to have a better understanding before we move to vote...
[01:18] <cprofitt> I think the CC-NY-SA is fine, but would like to get more from greg-g
[01:18] <pleia2> me too, I'm pretty clueless about licensing
[01:18] <Vantrax|Work> NY is?
[01:18] <cprofitt> My initial suggestion was CC-BY-SA
[01:18] <doctormo> NY?
[01:18] <bodhi_zazen> on topic ? - I think the working "avoid competition" could be better :p
[01:18] <cprofitt> but I am not a lawyer
[01:19] <cprofitt> slip of a key Vantrax
[01:19] <cprofitt> BY
[01:19] <Vantrax|Work> ahh
[01:19] <cprofitt> sorry...
[01:19] <cprofitt> stupid querty keyboard layout
[01:19] <cprofitt> qwerty actually
[01:19] <doctormo> Aye ok, next issue, wording
[01:19] <Vantrax|Work> bodhi_zazen, what would you replace it with
[01:19] <cprofitt> here are the goals that were added after last meeting -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/goals
[01:20] <cprofitt> I think what we are really looking at is this -
[01:20] <cprofitt> Our initial goal is to provide four programs for the new user, the sysadmin, marketing, and a stream for someone who wants to contribute to Ubuntu. These idea's have been based on new user feedback, requests to the Ubuntu Forums Beginners Team, to the Classroom Team and to Physical LoCo Classrooms. Our proposed course programs can be found in the sections below.
[01:20] <cprofitt> from the front page - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/
[01:20] <bodhi_zazen> something more along the lines of working with the Ubutnu community teams to ...
[01:21] <cprofitt> this was brought up last meeting - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/Agenda/05092009
[01:21] <bodhi_zazen> I know there is a sense of "competition" and "duplication of effort" but could we try to rephrase it in a positive ?
[01:22] <pleia2> bodhi_zazen: collaboration is covered later in the description
[01:22] <cprofitt> I think our real goal is something simple...
[01:22] <bodhi_zazen> +1 on Our initial goal ...
[01:22] <cprofitt> to produce courses
[01:22] <cprofitt> to produce courses that make it easier for organizations and users to adopt Ubuntu as their OS
[01:22] <Vantrax|Work> that is the initial goal, but not the goal of the project
[01:22] <bodhi_zazen> bring collaboration to forefront and eliminate competition ?
[01:22] <bodhi_zazen> lol
[01:22] <Vantrax|Work> cp is right on that
[01:22] <Vantrax|Work> to make it easier and to reduce the attrition rate of new users
[01:22] <cprofitt> so we can either produce the courses ourselves or guide others in producing the courses
[01:23] <Vantrax|Work> that is the overarching goal
[01:23] <thewrath> i think producing the courses ourselves in teams would work
[01:24] <cprofitt> I think it could be a mix of both
[01:24] <bodhi_zazen> well , teaching to teach will help the LoCo :)
[01:24] <Vantrax|Work> The long term goal is to make it easier for organisations and users to adopt Ubuntu and reduce the current attrition rate for new users through better awareness and community education
[01:24] <Vantrax|Work> from by perspective
[01:24] <Vantrax|Work> my
[01:25] <Vantrax|Work> how the content is produced will vary based on who is contributing
[01:25] <cprofitt> Yeah... I like that Vantrax
[01:25] <thewrath> Vantrax +1
[01:25] <Vantrax|Work> MOTU seems reasonably happy to add material, as does some of the doc team
[01:25] <Vantrax|Work> any rewording needed on that as the goal statement?
[01:26] <cprofitt> Vantrax, can you update the goal as written on the front page of the wiki?
[01:26] <Vantrax|Work> doing it right now if there are no requests to reword it
[01:26] <cprofitt> I think just remove the long term from it..
[01:26] <cprofitt> no need for long term to be there
[01:27] <Vantrax|Work> im going to keep some of the other statement too, give me a second
[01:28] <Vantrax|Work> okies everyone re read the first two paragraphs again
[01:28] <greg-g> dangit, sorry everyone (if you're still here)
[01:28] <MTecknology> they're all here
[01:29] <bodhi_zazen> The intention of this program is to to provide an educational context (environment) ,  supplement official training program, and colaborate with existing projects (MOTU, doc, etc) ??
[01:29] <bodhi_zazen> ^^
[01:29] <cprofitt> um... what happened to the mission statement Vantrax ?
[01:29] <bodhi_zazen> suggestion
[01:29] <cprofitt> we agreed on the mission statement last time... now it is gone...
[01:29] <cprofitt> Our initial goal is to provide four programs for the new user, the sysadmin, marketing, and a stream for someone who wants to contribute to Ubuntu. These idea's have been based on new user feedback, requests to the Ubuntu Forums Beginners Team, to the Classroom Team and to Physical LoCo Classrooms. Our proposed course programs can be found in the sections below.
[01:29] <cprofitt> that was what I thought we were changing
[01:29] <pleia2> greg-g: we're going to cycle back to licensing if you could stick around for a few?
[01:30] <doctormo> bodhi_zazen: what is offical training programs?
[01:30] <Vantrax|Work> its still there
[01:30] <Vantrax|Work> canonical training
[01:30] <greg-g> pleia2: yes, definitely. I'll be here
[01:30] <cprofitt> The project's goals are to build and maintain an interactive learning environment(s) to support teaching all aspects of the Ubuntu Ecosystem.
[01:30] <bodhi_zazen> official Canonical Training
[01:30] <cprofitt> that is still there?
[01:30] <Vantrax|Work> its moved down into the second paragraph, that is a HOW statement, the first is a WHAT statement
[01:30] <bodhi_zazen> better cprofitt :)
[01:30] <doctormo> Vantrax|Work: I have no want to support such a thing, they would be unequal in partnership with them.
[01:30] <Vantrax|Work> so its moved with the rest of the HOW
[01:30] <cprofitt> that was already on the page...
[01:30] <bodhi_zazen> I like that better then 'avoid competition"
[01:30] <bodhi_zazen> lol
[01:31] <cprofitt> we need to move on... I will work on the goals...
[01:31] <pleia2> cprofitt: greg-g is here, if we could swing back to licensing for a few?
[01:31] <Vantrax|Work> doctormo we are not supporting their training, but we also will not be making our training into any sort of qualification
[01:31] <cprofitt> [TOPIC] Licensing
[01:31] <MootBot> New Topic:  Licensing
[01:31] <bodhi_zazen> I think this sentence needs help is all - "The intention of this program is to avoid competition with the existing official training program, and supplement existing community programs."
[01:31] <doctormo> Vantrax|Work: Sure, but make than damn clear, at the moment it reads like we're the slave arm of their materials.
[01:31] <greg-g> dpm
[01:32] <greg-g> don't let me change the topic :)
[01:32] <cprofitt> lets get our questions to greg-g
[01:32] <Vantrax|Work> doctormo, to the ubuntu-learning chan for a sec
[01:32] <cprofitt> and we can rework the intial few paragraphs of the wiki after the meeting
[01:32]  * mdeonte is montel
[01:33] <cprofitt> greg-g we are concerned about linking too items that are more restrictive than CC-BY-SA
[01:33] <bodhi_zazen> +1 cprofitt :)
[01:34] <cprofitt> what are the ramifications or concerns in our doing that...?
[01:34] <greg-g> cprofitt: more restrictive? can you give me an example?
[01:34] <cprofitt> CC-BY-NC-SA
[01:35] <cprofitt> or the license The official Ubuntu Handbook is using
[01:35] <greg-g> can you now define "linking" please :)
[01:35] <Vantrax|Work> that I would like, but commercial is not defined
[01:35] <thewrath> what is the official ubuntu handbook using?
[01:35] <greg-g> Vantrax|Work: that is the issue, in general, with NC, it isn't define anywher ein the license
[01:35] <Vantrax|Work> yes, i read through them all
[01:35] <cprofitt> BY-NC-SA
[01:35] <Vantrax|Work> was quite painful
[01:35] <greg-g> Vantrax|Work: :)
[01:35] <cprofitt> simple URL link in my mind greg-g
[01:36] <cprofitt> send them to the actual source of the content
[01:36] <greg-g> cprofitt: just linking to something else does not create a licensing issue
[01:36] <ScottK> CC-BY-NC-SA is not considered a Free license by Ubuntu
[01:36] <greg-g> ScottK: or many people (myself included) see: freedomdefined.org
[01:36] <cprofitt> ScottK, but Canonical is using that.
[01:36] <Vantrax|Work> cprofitt, we will end up by replicating some of the content from the desktop training course that is CC-BY-NC-SA too, but have permission to do so
[01:37] <ScottK> Right, Canonical's decisions on their commercial products aren't my measure of Freedom.
[01:37] <cprofitt> Vantrax, we do not have permission to repackage it though
[01:37] <cprofitt> just to use it
[01:37] <doctormo> Vantrax|Work: Eh/
[01:37] <greg-g> Vantrax|Work: good deal, will you then be able to re-license that content as BY-SA?
[01:37] <cprofitt> I want to produce ours with no NC
[01:37] <Vantrax|Work> cprofitt we can adapt it to fit into our model from what belinda said
[01:37] <cprofitt> just CC-BY-SA
[01:37] <ScottK> You need explicit permission to relicense then, not just use.
[01:37] <cprofitt> correct ScottK
[01:37] <greg-g> what ScottK said.
[01:37] <Vantrax|Work> and she is aware of the licence choice, but ill confirm
[01:37] <cprofitt> I think we need to visit that with Belinda again
[01:38] <Vantrax|Work> she knows that in its current form it cant really be used
[01:38] <cprofitt> greg-g, in writing not just irc correct?
[01:38] <Vantrax|Work> I needed to catch up with her again anyway
[01:38] <cprofitt> Vantrax, in its current form we could use it as we are non-commercial
[01:38] <greg-g> cprofitt: well, in writing (email) would be fine, something you could preserve just in case they go back on their word and sue you :)
[01:38] <cprofitt> but others using our derivative work... would be the issue
[01:39] <cprofitt> ok... thanks greg-g
[01:39] <greg-g> cprofitt: well, if you use their content in your work, and license the entire work under BY-SA, then no one else will have a problem unless they follow the terms of By-SA
[01:39] <greg-g> s/unless they/unless they don't/
[01:39] <cprofitt> right... but we have to get permission to relicense correct?
[01:39] <greg-g> correct
[01:39] <cprofitt> [TOPIC] Election of Board/Council - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/Agenda
[01:39] <MootBot> New Topic:  Election of Board/Council - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/Agenda
[01:40] <cprofitt> ok... last meeting we decided on five seats on the board... and no 'uber' leader position at this time
[01:40] <cprofitt> we have five nominees - are there any last minute nominations?
[01:40] <Vantrax|Work> ill talk to them about that this week
[01:41] <pleia2> Vantrax|Work: can you Cc: the mailing list?
[01:41] <bodhi_zazen> no uber leader ?
[01:41] <cprofitt> yes, that was decided on last meeting bodhi_zazen
[01:41] <pleia2> bodhi_zazen: no, we felt the interests of the project are too diverse for a primary leader at this time
[01:41] <cprofitt> last call for nominations
[01:42] <Vantrax|Work> pleia2, yes
[01:42] <Vantrax|Work> bodhi_zazen, the plan was to elect one from the board later
[01:42] <cprofitt> I will ask for a adoption of the board as nominated... if we do not get 50% approval we can do individual votes
[01:42] <cprofitt> [VOTE] Accept the board as the five currently nominated members
[01:42] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Accept the board as the five currently nominated members.
[01:42] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[01:42] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[01:43] <pleia2> +1
[01:43] <bodhi_zazen> Ah, :)
[01:43] <MootBot> +1 received from pleia2. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[01:43] <doctormo> +1
[01:43] <MootBot> +1 received from doctormo. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[01:43] <bodhi_zazen> 0
[01:43] <mdeonte> can i vote?
[01:43]  * bodhi_zazen does not fee he can vote for himself :)
[01:43] <doctormo> bodhi_zazen: you have to do +0
[01:43] <cprofitt> +1
[01:43] <MootBot> +1 received from cprofitt. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[01:43] <bodhi_zazen> +0
[01:43] <Vantrax|Work> +0
[01:43] <MootBot> Abstention received from bodhi_zazen. 3 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 3
[01:43] <MootBot> Abstention received from Vantrax|Work. 3 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 3
[01:43] <bodhi_zazen> +1 to the others though
[01:43] <mdeonte> can i vote
[01:43] <Vantrax|Work> if you with mdeonte
[01:43] <Vantrax|Work> wish
[01:43] <bodhi_zazen> I think yes mdeonte
[01:44] <mdeonte> +1
[01:44] <MootBot> +1 received from mdeonte. 4 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 4
[01:44] <thewrath> +1
[01:44] <mdeonte> shweet
[01:44] <MootBot> +1 received from thewrath. 5 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 5
[01:44] <cprofitt> [ENDVOTE]
[01:44] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 2 abstained. Total: 5
[01:44] <cprofitt> ok... so the board is adopted as is
[01:45] <cprofitt> [AGREED] Board is Elizabeth Krumbach, BodhiZazen, Charles Profitt, MartinOwens, Matthew Lye
[01:45] <MootBot> AGREED received:  Board is Elizabeth Krumbach, BodhiZazen, Charles Profitt, MartinOwens, Matthew Lye
[01:45] <cprofitt> [TOPIC] Project Goals
[01:45] <MootBot> New Topic:  Project Goals
[01:45] <cprofitt> I think we hashed that out pretty well... but I want to point people to the page again --
[01:45] <cprofitt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/goals
[01:45] <cprofitt> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/goals
[01:45] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/goals
[01:46] <cprofitt> anything else to add Vantrax ?
[01:46] <Vantrax|Work> These are more in the way of project milestones
[01:46] <Vantrax|Work> which in themselves are goals I guess
[01:46] <bodhi_zazen> \0/
[01:46] <cprofitt> so perhaps we should reword it...
[01:46] <cprofitt> to milestones...
[01:46] <pleia2> hm, I think adding in "contacting existing programs" or somesuch would be good
[01:47] <thewrath> agreed cprofitt
[01:47] <Vantrax|Work> you called it milestones:P
[01:47] <bodhi_zazen> add - set up server :p
[01:47] <Vantrax|Work> good one pleia2
[01:47] <pleia2> we've already done some of it, but I think we need to cycle back through to make sure our communication is solid
[01:47] <bodhi_zazen> +1 pleia2
[01:47] <cprofitt> bodhi_zazen, that page is for everyone involved to add their 'goals' or 'milestones'
[01:47] <bodhi_zazen> and cycle and cycle ...
[01:47] <cprofitt> then we have to 'assign' some
[01:47] <pleia2> shall I add?
[01:47] <cprofitt> yes... please add what you want there...
[01:48] <Vantrax|Work> im adding atm for suggestions made
[01:48] <cprofitt> then we can adopt them at a future meeting
[01:48] <pleia2> k
[01:48] <cprofitt> [TOPIC] Rationale
[01:48] <MootBot> New Topic:  Rationale
[01:48] <cprofitt> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/Rationale
[01:48] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/Rationale
[01:48] <pleia2> everyone has pretty much said what I wanted to say for the rationale
[01:48] <cprofitt> That is another page in which we want people to add their ideas of Rationale for the project
[01:48] <cprofitt> in preparation for the CC meeting June 2nd
[01:49] <cprofitt> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/Specification
[01:49] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/Specification
[01:49] <cprofitt> that will contribute to making the specification
[01:49] <Vantrax|Work> Im going to be doing a project spec this week based on all of this
[01:49] <cprofitt> I will be eager to look at your draft Vantrax
[01:49] <cprofitt> then we can add it to the agenda for the next meeting
[01:49] <bodhi_zazen> me too :)
[01:50] <bodhi_zazen> poke me on IRC when ready :)
[01:50] <Vantrax|Work> I find people do better when they have something to tear appart:P
[01:50] <Vantrax|Work> so ill supply the poorly written bit to start with
[01:50] <cprofitt> Alright...
[01:50] <cprofitt> do not say that Vantrax your drafts are quite good...
[01:51] <cprofitt> and serve as a good starting point... it is always easier to nit than to create from scratch
[01:51] <Vantrax|Work> yeah, especially in a forum like this
[01:51] <cprofitt> [TOPIC] Meeting Time
[01:51] <MootBot> New Topic:  Meeting Time
[01:51] <cprofitt> how was this meeting time for everyone...?
[01:51] <cprofitt> informal +/- would work
[01:51] <cprofitt> +
[01:51] <bodhi_zazen> +++
[01:51] <pleia2> +
[01:52] <Vantrax|Work> its ok for me, but I am at work and might be late or have to duck away
[01:52] <bodhi_zazen> informal +
[01:52] <st33med> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-+
[01:52] <Vantrax|Work> so how about / for me:P
[01:52] <pleia2> hehe
[01:52] <cprofitt> I understand that Vantrax - it was the only time everyone on the doodle poll selected
[01:52] <cprofitt> http://www.doodle.com/e4qemk8nuf2q5iye
[01:52] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://www.doodle.com/e4qemk8nuf2q5iye
[01:52] <doctormo> Oh I'm so dizzy, sorry guys if I've been a bit out of it. Damncold
[01:52] <Vantrax|Work> I know, thats why i agreed and put it as a possibility
[01:53] <cprofitt> no problem doctormo
[01:53] <st33med> Unfortunately, I had dinner out at Longhorns with my family, and I was unaware of the meeting time...
[01:53] <cprofitt> Thanks for attending everyone.
[01:53] <Vantrax|Work> thats ok st33med keep an eye on the wiki page
[01:53] <doctormo> +1 meeting time
[01:53] <cprofitt> I appreciate the effort everyone is putting in...
[01:54] <cprofitt> Vantrax, you have done a great job of putting up fleshy ideas for us to chew on...
[01:54]  * st33med is wheezing from the two lines he put it
[01:54] <MontelEdwards> +
[01:54] <Vantrax|Work> also next meeting we will be preparing the annoucement to be delivered after CC meeting
[01:54] <st33med> *in
[01:54] <cprofitt> I think we will focus on the CC meeting and set a date after the results of that meeting
[01:54] <cprofitt> #endmeeting
[01:54] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 19:54.
[01:54] <bodhi_zazen> oops - edited the goals page , lol
[01:55] <Vantrax|Work> at this rate it will likely take 2 meetings to get it sorted anyway:{
[01:55] <cprofitt> please take further discussion back to #ubuntu-learning
[01:56] <doctormo> time to sleep
[11:17] <gnomefreak> i guess meeting was postponed
[11:39] <sbc> gnomefreak: Guess so. Someone should update the fridge calendar to reflect the change.
[11:40] <gnomefreak> agreed, this is the first one i was able to make in over 5 months :(
[18:09] <mib_yn3hjajf> Hello.  Is this the kernel team meeting?
[20:00] <Arc> time for the loco council meeting?
[20:05] <cprofitt> Arc, I thought so based on the wiki...
[20:05] <cprofitt> 19-May-2009, 19:00 UTC
[20:05] <Arc> its 7:05pm UTC on May 19th
[20:05] <Arc> infocop411 seems to be here too
[20:07] <Arc> popey: ping?
[20:08] <Arc> all the other meetings today on the schedule seem to not have happened either
[20:10] <infocop411> I moved my item back, just got in the door, flight arrived late
[20:11] <Arc> infocop411: it appears that none of the council members are attending this meeting anyway
[20:11] <infocop411> plus our team has gotten some ground work in that may make it worth waiting
[20:12]  * Arc is here from New Hampshire LoCo, the only item on the agenda :-/
[20:12] <pleia2> UDS always messes up schedules a bit
[20:12] <Arc> UDS?
[20:12] <pleia2> ubuntu developers summit
[20:13] <infocop411> well in a way that's good for me, I'm tired from the flight & earlier than usual wake-up
[20:13] <Arc> ok so, since this meeting doesn't appear to be happening, should we send a mail to a mailing list instead?
[20:13] <pleia2> or just wait until the next meeting
[20:14] <pleia2> approval has to happen at a meeting anyway
[20:14] <infocop411> yea, someone will see it before the next meeting for sure
[20:14] <infocop411> & they can schedule it again
[20:17] <JanC> boredandblogging: ping?
[20:17] <juliux> i am here
[20:17] <boredandblogging> sorry I"m late
[20:17] <JanC> we're all late  ;)
[20:17] <juliux> but we are three;)
[20:18] <boredandblogging> awesome
[20:18] <juliux> looks like we have only one topic today
[20:19] <boredandblogging> Arc: ping
[20:19] <Arc> pong
[20:20] <boredandblogging> ok, lets do New Hampshire
[20:21] <Arc> im still raising our team leader who just went MIA, is she needed?
[20:22] <JanC> Arc: that's nikkiana ?
[20:23] <Arc> yes
[20:24] <JanC> I pinged her in #ubuntu-women, let's see if she's around
[20:24] <juliux> ok
[20:24] <Arc> i just called her, I think she may be on the phone with a client since it seemed to go straight to voicemail
[20:24] <Arc> she also has rythmbox paused according to her xmpp status
[20:25] <juliux> Arc: can you write something about your team?
[20:25] <Arc> beyond what's on the wiki?
[20:25] <juliux> a short introduction;)
[20:26] <Arc> well NH isn't a very densly populated state, almost all the populus is in one city (Manchester) where the loco is primarily centered around
[20:27] <Arc> individually a lot of us carry Ubuntu CDs around, my count is we've distributed about 70 jaunty cds so far
[20:27] <Arc> we've built good relations with our regional LUG, there's been some fear that we're going to overshadow them since our energy level is several times theirs
[20:29] <Arc> since most of us live near each other, we have in-person meetings on a semi monthly basis
[20:29] <Arc> when a meeting doesn't work out due to scheduling issues we touch base with each other frequently enough to take care of stuff like getting CDs burned/printed
[20:31] <Arc> because of our size, we're focusing on SFD 2009 and working on smaller projects until then such as working with the local "linux-friendly" ISP and working on getting a community themed remix together
[20:32] <JanC> do you have any contact with schools & universities etc.?
[20:33] <Arc> we've talked to a few librarians about remix resources
[20:34] <Arc> honestly the area that Ubuntu seems to really be taking root here is home users, we haven't seen a lot of interest from schools or universities
[20:35] <juliux> are the some notes from the meetings?
[20:36] <Arc> that may change as we work on the cloud computing initiative in manchester
[20:36] <Arc> we haven't been very good at writing up minutes since there hasn't been any contentious issues brought up in a few months
[20:37] <Arc> our budget has been nikki contributing $40 worth of CDRs and printer ink or me at the local print shop
[20:38] <juliux> Arc: what yout the releasparties? any more informations online? some pictures?
[20:38] <Arc> let me dig up nikki's flickr account, she's the one that takes photos
[20:40] <Arc> http://www.flickr.com/photos/nikkiana/sets/72157606308820965/
[20:41] <Arc> http://www.flickr.com/photos/nikkiana/sets/72157607400431972/
[20:43] <Arc> sorry she has a lot to dig through
[20:44] <Arc> she could find them easier
[20:44] <JanC> if I understand wikipedia correctly then 1/6th of the people in NH live in the metropolitan area around Manchester, do you have much contact with the other 5/6th of the population?  ツ
[20:44] <Arc> if you look at the launchpad you'll see the population distribution
[20:45] <Arc> mostly the I93 corridor through Concord
[20:47] <Arc> but I think its much more than 1/6th, all depending on what you consider to be Manchester area.  if you count a 30 mile radius, that likely is more than 2/3rds the state population
[20:47] <Arc> here something is "local" if you can get to it in an hour's drive.  the Manchester LUG chapter meets in Nashua for example, which is a half hour's drive
[20:48] <juliux> w 25
[20:49] <Arc> overall I think because of the massive outreach matt, broderick and I have been doing (including installing on people's systems ourselves) a vast majority of the Ubuntu users in the state are focused in the Manchester-Concord area
[20:50] <Arc> thanks to a local hispanic preacher, there's an entire neighborhood in manchester using pretty much just Ubuntu as I understand it
[20:51] <boredandblogging> Arc: think that kind of information would be great on the application
[20:51] <boredandblogging> I'd prefer to see more of a roadmap
[20:51] <Arc> well it's hard to tell what you're looking for exactly
[20:52] <Arc> what would you like to see on the roadmap?
[20:52] <boredandblogging> for example, the NH remix a bit more
[20:52] <boredandblogging> what is the purpose behind it?
[20:52] <boredandblogging> when do you expect it to come out?
[20:53] <boredandblogging> how are you getting involved with it?
[20:53] <Arc> ah.  the purpose is to really get our foot in the door with the local libraries and other community resources
[20:53] <boredandblogging> Arc: right, can you just put that on the application? and go into more detail with the other items?
[20:54] <boredandblogging> think we are having a hard time imagining all the work you guys have done
[20:54] <boredandblogging> since the application isn't detailed
[20:54] <JanC> Arc: and also an agenda/roadmap for the future
[20:54] <Arc> what specific items do you want detailed?
[20:55] <Arc> to be honest I'd like to focus my attention a bit on what's needed since there's so much work to be done in other areas of the LoCo, if I spent the time to detail everything, track down photos, etc it'd take 30, 40 hours of work that'd be better spent on other things
[20:56] <Arc> if you want to see photos of parties, I can dig those up.  if you want to see photos and details of us working with the local community, we can take those
[20:56] <Arc> but I really don't want to see the application process become a major task item of it's own
[20:57] <JanC> Arc: if we have to dig everything up it takes us 20 hours too  ;)
[20:57] <Arc> do you really need to see everything or what key things are you looking for?
[20:59] <Arc> here's an example, we're going to actually be talking to two local schools in the next month with a "sales pitch" for joining the local community network for using the local cloud with Ubuntu - is that interesting to you?
[21:00] <Arc> the local network is a major project we're involved in right now, more than half the network volunteers are loco members
[21:01] <Arc> or do you want us to put together a google map of the Ubuntu users we've worked with in the state
[21:01] <JanC> I think what we like to seeis a list of what you have done with a little bit of explanation (link to photos are nice if available) + list of what you plan to do (including links to mails on the list or wiki pages or whatever you use to plan such things)
[21:04] <Arc> that would include documenting things on the wiki to begin with, which we haven't done very much of lately
[21:06] <Arc> but are there any items in either the group of what we've done or what we're planning to do that you want documented well, or am I correct in understanding that it really doesn't matter what we do as long as we're documenting doing something?
[21:08] <JanC> I'd say we like to see different things documented, e.g. it's not important that *all* internal meetings are documented, but try to show off all the type of things you're doing and plan to do
[21:09] <Arc> I'm asking because I thought we did that with the current application
[21:11] <boredandblogging> Arc: if you don't document on the wiki, where do you document?
[21:12] <Arc> boredandblogging: we don't generally document, we discuss and do
[21:12] <boredandblogging> ok
[21:12] <Arc> we spend enough time around each other..
[21:14] <Arc> I'm also a bit worried that asking for recognition is a waste of time, since other much larger LoCos have been denied repeatedly with activity levels we won't reach
[21:16] <JanC> Arc: in most cases that was either because of lack of documentation or because they had been inactive for almost a year until 5 months before applying or things like that
[21:17] <JanC> are you planning to have a booth at the NC-PC Computing trade show in Nashua again?
[21:17] <Arc> likely not, it was a bust as I understand it
[21:18] <JanC> a "bust" in what way?
[21:18] <JanC> and the other places you did similar things?
[21:18] <Arc> a lot of the "IT industry" in NH is heavily focused around Microsoft
[21:18] <JanC> that's true almost everywhere  ;)
[21:19] <Arc> I was one of the founders of IFSA (Ithaca Free Software Assoc) in NY, we had a very different experience with trade conferences
[21:20] <Arc> if we had infinite volunteer time we'd be everywhere :-)  but there's low hanging fruit with home users and, perhaps with Eucalyptus and Kharmic coming out, the local schools
[21:22] <JanC> maybe you can also recruit new volunteers with the preacher's (Ubuntu) "converts"?
[21:22] <boredandblogging> seems like we lost quorum
[21:23] <Arc> we're recruiting everywhere, the hispanic community is just one example
[21:24] <Arc> just this Sunday, talking to people at a local church, we met two Ubuntu users we previously had no idea about.  with our size, we're just throwing snowballs, and are often unaware of how large they grow until we see them rolling past
[21:25] <boredandblogging> Arc: I would like to ask NH to come back next month
[21:25] <boredandblogging> we don't have a quorum for a vote
[21:25] <JanC> anymore
[21:25] <Arc> boredandblogging: absolutely.  I didn't expect to get approved this month anyway
[21:25] <Arc> please just give some direction of what you're looking for us to document for next month
[21:26] <Arc> should I ask nikki to take more photos? should I focus on meeting minutes? do you want PDFs of our printed material?
[21:26] <Arc> do you want me to upload the template for the CD distribution "posters"?
[21:31] <JanC> just flesh it out a bit, and ask everybody in the team to help with describing/documenting the events they were/are involved with
[21:31] <JanC> it will also help the team in the future, or to show prospective members what you did already
[21:33] <JanC> and things like posters etc. would be nice of course (if they have a free license other LoCos might like to use them too)
[21:33] <Arc> they're freely licensed, it's just a bit of work to generalize them as templates
[21:34] <Arc> the posters im talking about are 1/4" thick paperboard boxes that hold 3-4 CDs and a small stack of business cards, designed to pin onto bulletin boards
[21:36] <Arc> ok so I guess a last question, are you more interested in well detailed examples of things we've done or a more complete bullet list
[21:37] <Arc> I guess what I'm trying to say is that we're less "event" based as "activity" based right now, the only real event we're planning right now is SFD09
[21:38] <Arc> but there's a lot of activities, that are not as easy to document
[21:40] <JanC> maybe you can give a couple of examples of every type of such activity?
[21:40] <Arc> sounds good
[21:40] <JanC> Arc: you can also always ping us outside the meeting
[21:41] <JanC> if you have questions or whatever
[21:41] <Arc> how about finer grained advice over the next month so we don't end up with a monthly "is this enough? - nope" cycle :-)
[21:42] <JanC> okay
[21:49] <Arc> ok thanks for your feedback so far :-)
[21:52] <juliux> Arc: you can also ask in #ubuntu-locoteams for some help
[22:01] <JanC> and other teams who seek approval can also ask beforehand there  ;)
[23:59] <bodhi_zazen> meeting time ?
[23:59] <paultag> Yup bodhi_zazen
[23:59] <jamesrfla> yeah it is time
[23:59] <Ash_R> yes bodhi_zazen


[00:28] <bschaefer> bilal, hey, for this bug 1053188
[00:29] <bschaefer> bilal, I think a different bug should be made to point out gcalc Menu accelerator doesn't work
[00:29] <bschaefer> also Character Map doesn't have an menu accelerators :(
[01:10] <bilal> bschaefer: yeah, the only ones with menu accelerators are memory-intensive applications like firefox
[01:10] <bschaefer> bilal, I used gedit :)
[01:11] <bschaefer> bilal, but I was thinking if we should file a bug for the calc ... or if it was intended to be that way...
[01:11] <bschaefer> im guessing it was intended though
[01:11] <bilal> bschaefer: it's intended
[01:11] <bilal> GNOME 3.6 ditched menus in many applications
[01:11] <bilal> and went for those menus that open in GS' top bar
[01:12] <bilal> when you click on the application name
[01:12] <bilal> and correct me if I'm wrong, but they don't have any Alt+_ accelerators either
[01:12] <bschaefer> bilal, oo alright well then Ill just link my ap fix to that branch...
[01:12] <bilal> yeah, that seems like the best way out
[01:12] <bschaefer> bilal, yeah gcalc and character map seem to have ditched it
[01:13] <bschaefer> o well, an easy fix for now...until gedit gets changed :(
[01:13] <bschaefer> bilal, thanks for pointing that out...I didn't even know what menu accelerators were :)
[01:13]  * bschaefer thought it was a regression
[01:13] <bschaefer> accelerators is an odd term...
[12:10]  * davmor2 is determined to find the limit of how many apps one can have in the launcher.........
[14:28] <dubac0> Hi, In ubuntu 12.10 there is a major issue with unity, i have no menu bar intergration with the windows
[14:28] <dubac0> I am therefore unable to raise, lower, or minimise new windows
[14:29] <dubac0> [reed]: are you a dev?
[14:31] <dubac0> (6~6)
[15:15] <quequotion> hello!
[15:17] <quequotion> i am still looking for help with my pet bug 1025535
[15:19] <quequotion> this bug prevents users from making the cube transparent, which causes unity to be displayed over full-screen windows (including screensavers, etc.).
[15:20] <quequotion> in fact, i believe the bug is in compiz, but it does affect unity.
[15:22] <quequotion> the bug is reproducible with all versions of unity and compiz since the first release of unity.
[15:30] <quequotion> because the bug requires a specific compiz configuration which is not default, i believe far fewer users have noticed than the actual number affected.
[15:36] <Daekdroom> Isn't the cube also a not default compiz configuration?
[15:36] <quequotion> not since the implementation of "Desktop Wall"
[15:36] <quequotion> ubuntu ships with "Desktop Wall" enabled by default
[15:37] <quequotion> which is why i think not many people have noticed this bug
[15:38] <quequotion> but i do think most, if not all, users are affected
[15:39] <quequotion> transparency is also not default
[15:41]  * quequotion notices that his earlier reply was poorly phrased, but intended to be in agreement
[16:09] <quequotion> any ideas for bug 1025535?
[16:43] <mhall119> sweet, Amazon Prime offers video streaming that works on Ubuntu, and the new Video lens shows the ones available, this is awesome