[00:51] <kolbe> $ bzr branch lp:maria/5.5
[00:52] <kolbe> - 498953KB   198KB/s | Fetching revisions:Inserting stream
[00:52] <kolbe> bzr: ERROR: Connection error: Couldn't resolve host 'bazaar.launchpad.net' [Errno -2] Name or service not known
[00:52] <kolbe> *cry*
[00:52] <kolbe> there is really no way to resume this operation? when i try running the same thing again i get 'bzr: ERROR: Target directory "5.5" already exists' :(
[01:15] <spiv> kolbe: sadly, no
[01:15] <spiv> kolbe: you can manually fetch incrementally, though
[01:15] <kolbe> how do i do that?
[01:16] <spiv> kolbe: bzr branch lp:maria/5.5 -r 1000 ; cd 5.5 ; bzr pull -r 2000 ; bzr pull -r 3000 ; …
[01:16] <spiv> It's not great, but it will eventually work.
[01:16] <kolbe> heh, jesus :(
[01:17] <kolbe> well, thanks :)
[01:17] <spiv> Glad I could help.
[16:33] <ElMonkey> hi
[16:33] <ElMonkey> i'm trying to get to grips with bzr-git, with a repo hosted on github
[16:34] <ElMonkey> does anybody know how to avoid the "diverged branches" crap every time i dpush from another computer, and then try to pull?
[16:34] <ElMonkey> is there some other command to use, so that it doesnt happen?
[17:07] <beuno> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'save_changes'
[17:07] <beuno> haven't seen that one before
[17:07] <beuno> anyone have any clues?
[17:07] <beuno> was trying to reconfigure --unstacked
[17:07] <beuno> in saucy
[18:26] <beuno> turns out it wasn't stacked
[18:26] <beuno> not the best error message  :)
[20:28] <ElMonkey> anybody have a decent workflow for using bzr-git with a github repo?
[21:20] <chinoto> Is it possible for bazaar to know about branches that aren't ancestors of the current commit? It seems the only possible way to (almost) do this is to get a copy of all branches that are currently being worked on from your codevelopers, and even then I'm not sure. Currently I'm learning about git to see the differences and so I can convince my team to switch if it turns out better.
[21:20] <chinoto> http://www.szakmeister.net/blog/2009/oct/12/bazaar-subversion-super-client/#great-toolchain
[21:21] <lifeless> chinoto: bzr can know about such branches of course
[21:21] <lifeless> chinoto: it couldn't merge branches if it couldn't.
[21:23] <chinoto> So far we've only worked with bzr in a straight line... I've tried to understand how to work with separate branches in bazaar, but it seems the only way to do so is having copies lying around, which would be a little inconvenient for web development :/
[21:25] <chinoto> It's fine if developers only ever work on one thing at a time and commit their work somewhere when they are done.
[21:26] <chinoto> I believe I'm seeking a workflow that isn't possible in bazaar :/
[21:27] <lifeless> chinoto: colocated branches, or branches in a treeless shared repo, both will do exactly what you want
[21:27] <lifeless> chinoto: http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/developers/colocated-branches.html I believe.
[21:29] <chinoto> The problem is that I don't want to reconfigure apache and project specific variables to make each branch work... I guess I could use symlinks, but I'm not sure how the Windows developers would deal with that.
[21:32] <lifeless> you don't need to.
[21:32] <lifeless> standard built in workflow in bzr :)
[22:48] <chinoto> lifeless: Finally think I understand it, so basically you still have a directory for each branch, but you work on them from one?
[22:51] <chinoto> ugh, got a headache from soda or something, seeya


[02:42] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[03:08] <JimBuntu> Good morning ;p
[03:08] <lotuspsychje> lol
[04:13] <wez> Good afternoon!
[13:39] <lotuspsychje_> ai ai libera
[13:41] <murmel> lotuspsychje_: hm?
[13:42] <lotuspsychje> a lot of ping timeouts and netsplits lately
[13:42] <lotuspsychje> i hear its due an upgrade, but dont know the specifics of it
[13:45] <murmel> ahh, as I have constant timeouts :S can't say if it's the server or my internet (at least for now I can say it's my internet (to the bouncer)


[10:01] <frankban> hi gmb. how are you doing?
[10:09] <gmb> Morning frankban. Not bad, still a bit achy. How are you?
[10:11] <frankban> I am fine, I had a doctor visit this morning, I passed a bad night, but I'm ok now. have you seen the MPs from brad?
[10:11] <frankban> gmb: ^^^^
[10:11] <gmb> frankban, I don't see them in my inbox. Let me take a look at launchpad...
[10:12] <gmb> frankban, Ah, I see them now. Shall we take one each?
[10:14]  * gmb claims https://code.launchpad.net/~bac/charms/oneiric/buildbot-master/bbm-pst/+merge/95279
[10:14] <frankban> gmb: ok, I will take the slave
[10:14] <gmb> Cool
[10:26] <frankban> gmb: I have some doubts, would you like to hangout?
[10:27] <gmb> frankban, Give me a few minutes to grab a drink, then sure.
[10:27] <frankban> gmb: thanks
[10:41] <gmb> Aaaah
[10:41]  * gmb hates G+'s multi-user crap
[10:42] <gmb> frankban, I'm in https://plus.google.com/hangouts/extras/canonical.com/goldenhorde (sans camera)
[12:06] <bac> frankban, gmb: thanks for taking those reviews
[12:06]  * bac breakfasts and relocates
[13:14] <gary_poster> bac benji gmb frankban call (bac is already there, hi!)
[13:15] <gary_poster> bac, yoohoo
[13:15] <gary_poster> we can her you
[13:15] <gary_poster> hear
[13:38] <gary_poster> Continuing on a theme: having a system that hangs several times a day is annoying and counterproductive.
[13:45] <bac> gary_poster, benji: in conversation with gmb and frankban the issue of access to local.py and helpers.py arose.  we're in the interim where symlinks don't work and our other solutions are not ready.
[13:46] <bac> one way to handle it would be to check in those files into the slave with the understanding from the group that they are to be kept in sync
[13:46] <bac> the less appealing approach would be for the dev to have to manually copy them over to the slave before deploying
[13:46] <bac> strong opinions, gary_poster or benji ?
[13:47] <benji> bac: I have a branch that does just that.  It should land today or you can make your own if you need to move faster.
[13:47] <bac> benji, ok.
[13:48] <bac> benji, does your branch do only that one thing, copy files to the slave?
[13:49] <bac> actually it would be best for it to be part of my branch, since i have made huge changes to helpers.py
[13:49] <benji> bac: it does other things too; yeah, you should probably go ahead then
[13:50] <benji> ("other things" that don't change those files)
[13:54]  * gmb -> lunch
[14:05] <gary_poster> bac, +1 on checking files in
[14:11] <bac> -master and -slave pushed
[14:27] <benji> gary_poster: things look good, I'm starting on the MP(s) now
[14:27] <gary_poster> benji, great
[14:31] <gary_poster> frankban, https://talkgadget.google.com/hangouts/extras/canonical.com/goldenhordeoneonone when you are ready
[14:31] <benji> gary_poster: I played with your broadcast-via-chinstrap idea last night/this morning and updated https://dev.launchpad.net/yellow/RemoteTerminalBroadcasting
[14:31] <benji> I'm really happy with the result.
[14:32] <gary_poster> benji, wow, awesome
[14:44] <bac> gary_poster, i have an appt at 4:15.  could we move our call earlier a bit?
[14:52] <gary_poster> bac, of course.  looking at calendar...
[14:53] <gary_poster> You know, the Midori webkit browser makes chrome look slow
[14:53] <benji> gary_poster (or anyone else): comments on or reviews of https://code.launchpad.net/~benji/launchpad/add-sudoers-to-lxcsetup/+merge/95373 welcome
[14:53] <gary_poster> probably because it doesn't do all that much :-)
[14:53] <gary_poster> benji, great, I'll take it in a sec if no one else does
[14:54] <benji> Midori looks cool; if it would do something like "it's all text" then I might use it
[14:56] <gary_poster> bac, I could talk at 11 or 11:15 probably; 11:30 or 12:00 would be fine; maybe we could get 2 to work otherwise (we might have to switch with Monsieur York)
[14:57] <gary_poster> bac, what do you prefer?
[15:06] <gary_poster> benji, I thought we were able to get rid of sshpass.  That didn't work after all?
[15:07] <gary_poster> benji, also, as written the tests will run as ubuntu user
[15:07] <gary_poster> I think that is bad
[15:07] <gary_poster> all the set up is as buildbot
[15:07] <benji> gary_poster: we got rid of it in one place; I didn't see if we could get rid of it in the other
[15:07] <gary_poster> even if we have to do sshpass to get in, I think we need to switch to buildbot user
[15:07] <benji> re. ubuntu user: looking
[15:08] <gary_poster> benji, let's hang out; will go faster https://talkgadget.google.com/hangouts/extras/canonical.com/goldenhorde
[15:09] <benji> gary_poster: yeah, that script is old (the test script), since we don't know what it will eventually look like, I'm not sure what to change it to, we could at least remove the sshpass bit and leave the rest until we figure it out (and there is a chance it will stay the same)
[15:09] <gary_poster> benji, yeah, I'd prefer to switch to the sudo approach we had yesterday, and remove the sshpass dependency
[15:10] <gary_poster> since neither works, that has the advantage of least harm
[15:13] <gary_poster> :-)
[15:30] <gmb> gary_poster: Call time?
[15:31] <gary_poster> gmb, yeah, one sec
[15:31] <gmb> ok
[15:33] <gary_poster> gmb, sorry, was finishing conversation with benji. https://talkgadget.google.com/hangouts/extras/canonical.com/goldenhordeoneonone ?
[15:33] <gmb> gary_poster: Okidoke. There in a sec.
[15:33] <gary_poster> Sorry, I should have used his nom-de-not-bothering, Monsieur York
[15:59] <gary_poster> benji, back to hangout?  I do have a question about pastebin for lpbuildbot after all
[15:59] <benji> gary_poster: sure
[16:00] <gary_poster> bac, as I said, I could have call with you now
[16:00] <gary_poster> but you did not reply :-)
[16:00] <gary_poster> 11:30 or 12 would also work
[16:04] <bac> gary_poster, i did reply...now is good
[16:05] <gary_poster> bac, not in my log :-) but cool.  I'll be ready in 2 mins
[16:05] <bac> gary_poster, but it looks like i was disconnected
[16:07] <gary_poster> bac https://talkgadget.google.com/hangouts/extras/canonical.com/goldenhordeoneonone when you are ready
[16:07] <bac> joining
[16:08] <bac> gary_poster, i don't see you
[16:09] <bac> yo you gary_poster
[16:09] <gary_poster> bac, hum back at you.  will retry
[16:09] <bac> er, yo yo
[16:09] <gary_poster> bac https://talkgadget.google.com/hangouts/extras/canonical.com/goldenhordeoneonone ?
[16:09] <bac> sorry
[16:09] <gary_poster> just reloaded
[16:50] <gary_poster> benji, btw, on the kanban board, I added the prefix "PROBABLY ALREADY FIXED" to the card titled """parallel tests in buildbot: OperationalError: FATAL:  role "root" does not exist""".  I believe it is fixed by the sudo running tests as the buildbot user, not root.
[16:50] <benji> cool
[16:51] <gary_poster> benji, I'll be working through 12:50 or so, and then out for the 1 o'clock hour for babysitting duties.  I imagine you'll be eating soon?
[16:52] <gary_poster> Is there something I should run with for a bit, or should I look for something else?  I do have some things I can do
[16:52] <benji> gary_poster: I plan too.  As soon as I get my new(ish) VM to actually kick off ec2 land for this branch
[16:52] <gary_poster> benji, ok cool
[16:53] <benji> gary_poster: the only thing from the MP that I didn't do was to replace the sleep; you could do that, I have code that I think will work
[16:54] <gary_poster> benji, ok.  I'm going to work on proposing a deployment plan to the webops; that's probably a better choice for now
[16:54] <benji> k
[16:56]  * gmb -> afk for a bit
[17:52] <gary_poster> lunch/babysitting
[18:37]  * benji reboots
[18:37]  * benji installs updates first
[19:08] <gary_poster> Too hot: 78 degrees upstairs, and don't want to turn the A/C on.  Migrating to porch.
[19:10] <benji> replaing an already-existing /tmp with a ramdisk works, but it freaks me out so I'm rebooting now
[19:21] <benji> well that's great, Unity won't start
[19:21] <benji> gary_poster: I won't be here for a bit while I try to get Unity back
[19:21] <gary_poster> benji, ack
[19:21] <benji> and if I ever do, then we can have our one-on-one
[19:21] <gary_poster> benji, curious to hear about the ramdisk then too :-)
[19:22] <benji> gary_poster: if I had copy/paste, then I could show you
[19:22] <gary_poster> heh, and :-/
[19:22] <benji> heh
[19:22] <benji> ok, back in a bit... I hope
[19:43] <gary_poster> benji has been conquered :-/
[20:25] <bac> wow, gary_poster, i've looked at pkgme ... and i'm not sure what's there.  the documentation is quite lacking.  nowhere does it actually tell you *what*to*do*
[20:26] <gary_poster> bac, I was thinking something similar.  Does --help help?  or does it have a man page?
[20:42] <gary_poster> Under the category of "uh oh," why does the email that I just sent to rt (and spent a fair amount of time writing) not show up in my sent folder?
[20:42] <gary_poster> and why don't I have a reply from rt yet?
[20:42]  * gary_poster does not want to write it again
[20:44] <gary_poster> Ah, it was sent from my home address
[20:47] <bac> gary_poster: http://paste.ubuntu.com/864102/  i'm trying to use ez_setup but it complains that 'setup' is undefined
[20:47] <gary_poster> looking bac
[20:47] <bac> i thought that was the byproduct of calling use_setuptools()
[20:47] <bac> the veritable raison d'etre of ez_setup
[20:48] <gary_poster> bac
[20:48] <gary_poster> from setuptools import setup
[20:48] <gary_poster> after the ez_thing
[20:48] <gary_poster> ez_setup monkeypatches (or similar) the distutils
[20:48] <gary_poster> you still have to import it
[20:48] <bac> oops, i screwed up shelltoolbox then


[07:35] <mup> PR operator#754 closed: Recursively push+pull files/dirs to containers <ready> <Created by rwcarlsen> <Merged by jnsgruk> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/754>
[09:12] <mup> Issue operator#762 opened: Testing the action event <Created by r-f-g> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/762>
[20:29] <mup> PR operator#763 opened: Address storage testing quirks <Created by rwcarlsen> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/763>


[00:05] <asac> armin76: ok, then pulling in the SetUnichar function and using that instead hopefully fixes it
[00:12] <Ubulette> asac, you should retrigger a build of epiphany, it has been built against nspr/nss from xul (not system) so it's linked against .so, not against .so.[01].d
[00:19] <asac> system xul is not yet in archive :)
[00:20] <Ubulette> damn
[00:20] <asac> once its in everything needs a respin
[00:20] <Ubulette> remember you missed nssutil
[00:21] <asac> i asked you if that causes any issues
[00:21] <asac> i don't see any
[00:22] <Ubulette> it did for me in xul trunk weeks ago, that's how i found out
[00:32] <asac> which symptoms?
[00:32] <Ubulette> missing symbols
[00:32] <Ubulette> moved in nssutil
[00:33] <asac> for which operations? it works here well
[00:33] <asac> for xul 1.9 + ffox + gtkmozembed
[00:33] <Ubulette> build time
[00:43] <Ubulette> oh, i see. epiphany is broken because you did   -L/usr/lib/xulrunner-devel-1.9b1/lib -lplds4 -lplc4 -lnspr4
[00:44] <Ubulette> there're only .so in there even if system nspr is also installed
[00:44] <Ubulette> too bad
[00:51] <asac> i don't see the point you are trying to make
[00:52] <Ubulette> nm
[00:53] <asac> unfortunately ephy needs to link nspr directly ... which causes all this
[00:54] <Ubulette> it could have worked with xul b1 + regular nspr using a different linking order
[00:56] <Ubulette> but nm, it's not my mess^Wbusiness
[04:51] <extracted> any one here know anything about subnetting ?
[05:45] <tonyyarusso> extracted: um, some, but why asking here?
[10:39] <armin76> asac: shrug, so i'm going to do that stuff
[11:50] <armin76> asac: seems to work fine, let me paste you the patch
[11:54] <readyx> give it to me baby - aha - aha!
[12:08] <armin76> asac: http://rafb.net/p/gOCIKj67.html
[12:34] <asac> armin76: is the GetUnichar part needed?
[12:34] <asac> anyway: rock!
[12:44] <armin76> asac: http://rafb.net/p/Pf6NJO18.html <- like that?
[12:49] <asdsadsda> :D
[13:05] <asac> armin76: no idea :) ... does it work?
[13:12] <asac> i can upload to debian ... finaly!!!
[13:12] <asac> (again)
[13:25] <CheGuevara> congrats :P
[13:30] <asac> armin76: :) ... looks good ... if you don
[13:31] <asac> t get bus errors we should update the bugzilla bug
[14:39] <armin76> asac: the latest patch seems to work fine
[14:40] <asac> @time
[14:40] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: December 29 2007, 14:40:10 - Next meeting: Edubuntu meeting in 3 days
[14:40] <asac> armin76: the one without GetUnichar?
[14:40] <asac> great!
[14:40] <armin76> yeah
[14:40] <asac> please test a bit longer ... who knows if the <<get>> bus error might be harder to trigger
[14:41] <armin76> sure, doing that atm
[14:41] <armin76> although without the patch it takes some seconds, maybe 30
[14:43] <asac> no idea if it makes a difference, but try to visit unicode sites too
[14:46] <armin76> sites with special characters like üéíóú?
[14:47] <asac> depends ... they might use latin encoding ... at best go for some example unicode sites
[14:47] <asac> http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/#links
[14:48] <asac> http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/thai.html
[14:48] <asac> http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/cjk_compatibility.html
[14:48] <armin76> http://www.i18nguy.com/unicode-example.html <- i was using that
[14:49] <armin76> those links work fine as well
[14:49] <asac> ok looks good then ... do you use pango?
[14:50] <armin76> yup
[14:52] <asac> Ubulette: btw, i have permission to update kaze in debian
[14:53] <asac> did we go ahead in ubuntu? or did we wait for debian? (can't remember exactly)
[14:54] <armin76> asac: do you use external cairo?
[14:55] <asac> for 2.x? yes!
[14:55] <asac> for 2.x: pending
[14:55] <asac> (waiting for someone to let new nss into the archive)
[14:56] <asac> s/2.x: pe/3.x: pe/
[14:56] <asac> cairo in ubuntu is ready for system-cairo on ffox 3
[14:56] <armin76> remember to test my patch :P
[14:56] <asac> sorry i forgot :(
[14:57] <asac> which?
[14:57] <asac> is there a bug?
[14:58] <armin76> lame :P
[14:58] <armin76> mozilla bug 409976
[14:58] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 409976 in GFX: Thebes "Cairo in trunk gives SIGBUS on SPARC" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=409976
[14:59] <asac> no idea how to test :)
[14:59] <armin76> well, just apply to your firefox tarball, compile with internal cairo, and try
[14:59] <asac> we can include the patch if you want ... but we appear to have close to zero sparc desktop users
[14:59] <asac> the "and try" is my problem
[14:59] <asac> i have no access to sparc desktop
[15:00] <welpie> well, but test on whatever you can
[15:00] <asac> ah
[15:00] <welpie> i know it works on sparc, but i don't want to break other arches
[15:00] <asac> welpie: ?
[15:00] <asac> hehe
[15:01] <welpie> yeah, it's me
[15:01] <asac> i thought so :)
[15:01] <armin76_> testing ff on sparc :P
[15:03] <asac> armin76_: i think attaching the actual patch might help :)
[15:04] <armin76> nod
[15:05]  * asac out shopping + food et al
[15:21] <CheGuevara> has anyone tried building xulrunner against latest glib
[15:37] <Ubulette> hi
[15:39] <Ubulette> CheGuevara, which glib ? i use the lastest in hardy, ie 2.15.0
[15:40] <armin76> asac: i attached the patch
[15:41] <Ubulette> asac, about epiphnay, even with a respin, it will ftbfs
[15:41] <CheGuevara> Ubulette: yeah
[15:41] <CheGuevara> does it build fine?
[15:41] <CheGuevara> because we just encountered a problem when building kmplayer
[15:41] <CheGuevara> which should affect glib as well
[15:41] <CheGuevara> i mean
[15:42] <CheGuevara> xulrunner as well
[15:42] <CheGuevara> http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/glib?view=revision&revision=6185
[15:42] <Ubulette> CheGuevara, sure. http://launchpadlibrarian.net/11086860/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-i386.xulrunner-1.9_1.9~b2%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu1~fta2_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz
[15:43] <Ubulette> oh, that looks like my bug 179119
[15:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 179119 in glib2.0 "glib 2.15 not clean with -pedantic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179119
[15:43] <CheGuevara> very likely :P
[15:44] <CheGuevara> i am building an updated glib right now
[15:46] <CheGuevara> Ubulette: do you mind looking at debdiff when its done building, since i am not exactly the packaging master
[15:48] <Ubulette> sure, but remember i can't sponsor you
[15:49] <CheGuevara> yeah i know :)
[15:50] <CheGuevara> now at least it closes a bug :P
[15:50] <Ubulette> asac, for epiphany, you need to patch m4/gecko.m4, or improve you xul1.9 patch a bit further
[15:55] <CheGuevara> Ubulette: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/11089726/glib.debdiff
[15:58] <Ubulette> looks good. i would have named the patch differently but it's ok
[16:00] <CheGuevara> ok thanks Ubulette
[16:13] <Ubulette> asac, what about kaze ?
[16:14] <Ubulette> btw, 0.5.1 has been released today
[16:25] <asac> Ubulette: build error?
[16:25] <asac> (ephy)
[16:32] <Ubulette> asac, you will get that:
[16:32] <Ubulette> checking whether we have a gtk 2 gecko build... yes
[16:32] <Ubulette> checking whether we have a gecko debug build... no
[16:32] <Ubulette> checking whether we have a xpcom glue... yes
[16:32] <Ubulette> checking for gecko version... 1.9
[16:32] <Ubulette> checking nspr in gecko... no
[16:32] <Ubulette> checking nspr in system... yes
[16:32] <Ubulette> checking whether we can compile and run XPCOM programs... no
[16:32] <Ubulette> configure: error: Cannot compile and run XPCOM programs
[16:33] <Ubulette> it's because the last test never uses -I/usr/include/nspr detected earlier
[16:34] <asac> Ubulette: ah right
[16:34] <asac> ok
[16:34] <asac> i think thats fixed here already
[16:35] <asac> Ubulette: you started to port kaze once ... can you give me what you got so far?
[16:41] <Ubulette> hmm, i can't find my branch, neither on lp nor locally
[16:41] <Ubulette> wtf?
[16:54] <asac> Ubulette: http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/ephy.ubulette.patch
[16:54] <Ubulette> updated patch ?
[16:54] <asac> yes
[16:54] <asac> its not clean
[16:54] <asac> the interdiff is:
[16:55] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/3091/
[16:55] <asac> the important part for you is most likely line 30
[16:55] <asac> and line 51-
[16:55] <asac> if you xul has the fixed mozilla-nspr patch from the mozillateam branch then line 30 should be enough for the nspr thing
[16:56] <asac> the rest was just some dirty hacking i did before i decided to fix xul .pc
[16:57] <asac> (no clue which patch seb used ... i think he used something between this and the patch in gnome (which is the old.patch in the diff)
[16:57] <asac> anyway ... replacing the full patch with this new one should be fine for system-nspr
[16:58] <asac> well ... dpatch hell of course :)
[16:58] <asac> aka no fold avail
[16:59] <asac> no idea why interdiff strips whitespaces though :/
[17:00] <Ubulette> http://paste.ubuntu.com/3093/
[17:01] <Ubulette> between seb and your new patch
[17:02] <asac> you didn't use interdiff, right?
[17:02] <Ubulette> no
[17:02] <asac> yes ... but should be ok i guess
[17:03] <asac> though unsure why seb does have the doc/reference/Makefile.am patch
[17:03] <asac> i remember that i developed that for him in order to build the docs
[17:03] <asac> doc/reference/tmpl/ephy-embed.sgml -> garbage of course
[17:04] <asac> we need a fix for mozilla bug 408791
[17:04] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 408791 in Password Manager "nsLoginManagerPrompter.js does not work with TestGtkEmbed prompt." [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408791
[17:05] <asac> so if you have some splendid idea :)
[17:09] <armin76> http://dev.gentoo.org/~armin76/ffdialog.png <- i need a fix for that when compiling against xulrunner :P
[17:10] <asac> could be everything
[17:10] <asac> xul 1.9 + ffxo 3?
[17:10] <armin76> yep
[17:10] <armin76> however building it without a shared xulrunner, works fine
[17:11] <armin76> weird, huh?
[17:11] <asac> armin76: do you have all our patches?
[17:12] <armin76> for xul? i have a lot :P
[17:12] <CheGuevara> asac: is it possible for you to sponsor a glib2.0 upload, or do you only stick to mozilla stuff
[17:13] <asac> CheGuevara: depends on what kind of fix it is
[17:13] <CheGuevara> asac: bug 179119
[17:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 179119 in glib2.0 "glib 2.15 not clean with -pedantic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179119
[17:15] <asac> +-      // g_print ("LOOPSTATE: subtest_running=%d subtest_io_pending=%d\n", subtest_running, subtest_io_pending);
[17:16] <asac> is that really C99 ?
[17:16] <CheGuevara> / comments are not allowed in C99
[17:16] <CheGuevara> umm // i mean
[17:17] <asac> you mean "not allowed in C95" =
[17:17] <asac> ?
[17:17] <asac> aeh whatever was before 99 :)
[17:18] <CheGuevara> i am honestly not sure
[17:18] <CheGuevara> i always thought that // was only dis-allowed in C99 though
[17:20] <CheGuevara> oooh i am talking rubish
[17:20] <asac> well ... i think its just the ;
[17:20] <CheGuevara>  // was introduced in C99
[17:20] <asac> the rest is glib code-convention
[17:20] <CheGuevara> i was getting it the other way around
[17:20] <asac> yeah ... thats what i mean ... but i am not even sure about that
[17:20] <CheGuevara> C99 standard says it is :P
[17:20] <CheGuevara> / style comments, ala C++, are now available in C99. A comment of this form starts with // and ends at the end of the line.
[17:20] <CheGuevara> http://www.comeaucomputing.com/techtalk/c99/#slashslashcomments
[17:20] <asac> ok
[17:21] <CheGuevara> kmplayer fails to compile with
[17:21] <CheGuevara> /usr/include/glib-2.0/glib/gtestutils.h:108: error: expected identifier or '(' before '/' token
[17:21] <CheGuevara> /usr/include/glib-2.0/glib/gtestutils.h:109: error: expected identifier or '(' before '/' token
[17:21] <asac> probably was available everywhere before it was standardized :)
[17:21] <asac> they use -ansi ?
[17:21] <CheGuevara> yeah
[17:22] <CheGuevara> most weir thing kmplayer compiles perfectly fine locally with pbuilder
[17:22] <CheGuevara> but fails on ubuntu build servers
[17:23] <asac> hmm ... maybe you still have old compiler?
[17:23] <asac> and 4.2 became more anal about this?
[17:24] <CheGuevara> its a hardy pbuilder chroot
[17:24] <CheGuevara> so it should be same as there :P
[17:25] <CheGuevara> but the patch is basic and straight from upstream svn, so it shouldn't do any harm
[17:25] <Ubulette> pedantic is anal about C using // which is supposed to be C++ only
[17:26] <CheGuevara> yep
[17:26] <asac> i wait a few minutes to see if someone from desktop team replies
[17:26] <asac> otherwise i will sponsor this thing
[17:26] <CheGuevara> weirdest thing we don't use pedantic in kmplayer
[17:26] <CheGuevara> but it still fails
[17:26] <CheGuevara> thats what puzzles me most
[17:26] <asac> well ... pedantic in c++ appears to choke because of ;
[17:26] <Ubulette> what other flags do you have ?
[17:26] <asac> plain C appears to be pedantic when using -ansi
[17:27] <CheGuevara> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/11089417/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-i386.kmplayer_1%3A0.10.0c-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[17:27] <asac> Ubulette: could build ephy?
[17:27] <asac> with pre3?`
[17:27] <asac> b3pre
[17:27] <CheGuevara> yeah it must be -ansi then
[17:29] <Ubulette> asac, locally yes. I've pushed it to my ppa
[17:29] <CheGuevara> which still on't explain why its doesn't fail locally :P
[17:31] <asac> Ubulette: fine ... does it work?
[17:35] <CheGuevara> does gcc 4.2 set ansi by default?
[17:40] <armin76> asac: i get unaligned access on ia64 with 3.0
[17:40] <asac> armin76: in cairo?
[17:40] <armin76> no
[17:40] <armin76> cairo is okay, tested on ia64 and alpha, checking with amd64
[17:41] <armin76> but it doesn't matter, on ia64 it doesn't segfault
[17:41] <armin76> http://rafb.net/p/y1747Y58.html
[17:45] <asac> CheGuevara:  ls -l /etc/alternatives/c89
[17:46] <asac> maybe your alternative points somewhere else? or CC=c89 is used on buildd by default ... otherwise: no clue :)
[17:46] <CheGuevara> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 2007-12-29 13:58 /etc/alternatives/c89 -> /usr/bin/c89-gcc
[17:47] <CheGuevara> $magic++
[17:47] <CheGuevara> :P
[17:48] <CheGuevara> asac: let me know when you upload please
[17:51] <asac> CheGuevara: sure ... doing a testbuild of ice*
[17:52] <CheGuevara> kk thanks :)
[18:34] <asac> CheGuevara: uploaded
[18:39] <asac> lets see how quick the idle buildd's kick in :)
[18:43] <Ubulette> hope it's faster than ppas
[18:43] <Ubulette> 1h15 avg in ppa just to enter the queue
[18:45] <CheGuevara> w00t
[18:45] <CheGuevara> thanks a lot asac
[18:47] <Ubulette> asac, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=652917
[18:54] <asac> no idea ... didn't change a thing
[18:57] <Ubulette> could be anything
[19:19] <asac> Ubulette: does ephy work?
[19:23] <Ubulette> asac, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/epihany.png
[19:24] <asac> Ubulette: does the homepage work?
[19:24] <Ubulette> homepage ?
[19:25] <asac> do forms work? e.g. password manager
[19:25] <asac> well ... you have the ubuntu homepage ... i don't have that because locale is not properly recognized
[19:25] <asac> but my build might just be too old and %l is fixed upstream most likely
[19:27] <Ubulette> i can login on lp
[19:29] <asac> well ... does it remember your credentials?
[19:29] <Ubulette> lp, yes.
[19:30] <Ubulette> but seb complained about htaccess, not cookies auth
[19:32] <Ubulette> hmm self signed certificates.. I get the same error as ff3 but how do I add the exception in epiphany ??
[19:34] <Ubulette> crash
[19:36] <asac> Ubulette: yes he complained about http auth ... but auto password in forms didn't work either
[19:36] <Ubulette> start epiphany-browser, Edit / Personal data => click on properties => crash
[19:36] <asac> most likely fixed by microb backout ... which is why i asked
[19:37] <Ubulette> backout was post b2, i'm still running b2 here
[19:37] <asac> great chpe landed a bunch of the xul fixes
[19:37]  * asac updating patch
[19:39] <Ubulette> strange, update manager still wants to upgrade epiphany-gecko
[19:40] <Ubulette> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/Update-Manager.png
[19:40] <Ubulette> over and over again
[19:43] <asac> maybe let him do it?
[19:44] <Ubulette> i did
[19:44] <Ubulette> same for apt-get
[19:44] <Ubulette> Preparing to replace epiphany-gecko 2.21.4-0ubuntu2+fta2 (using .../epiphany-gecko_2.21.4-0ubuntu2+fta2_i386.deb) ...
[19:49] <asac> no idea ... if it doesn't go away by doing the upgrade
[20:53] <asac> damn thing ... try to convince someone who didn't even try to build against xr 1.9 that we have no real choice but use the glue :)
[21:16] <Ubulette> who ? mike ?
[21:37] <asac> no chpe
[21:37] <asac> he has no idea ... at least caillon stated that he wants -embedding in the end as well ... but fedora needs to figure out some things for lib32/lib64 mixed setups
[21:41] <Ubulette> miro is damn too slow.
[21:41] <Ubulette> 15~20sec of intense disk activity to have the 1st window
[21:42] <asac> with the miro patch i provide?
[21:44] <Ubulette> yes, but even without it. it's by design
[21:44] <asac> ok
[21:44] <asac> then i feel good
[21:50] <asac> Ubulette: tbird is up ... sorry for the branch mess btw, but you started on top of a lame branch that didn't have all revisions
[21:52] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/3105/
[21:53] <asac> you didn't have any missing symbols in pre?
[21:53] <Ubulette> damn, i was about to push the pedantic thing
[21:53] <asac> he?
[21:53] <asac> the pedantic thing isn't needed anymore
[21:53] <Ubulette> was test building from scratch
[21:53] <asac> i didn't include it
[21:53] <Ubulette> you could have told me you were working on that
[21:53] <asac> Ubulette: what do you mean?
[21:54] <Ubulette> i've lost 1h once again
[21:54] <asac> on what?
[21:54] <Ubulette> tb
[21:54] <asac> sorry ... don't get what you were working on
[21:54] <asac> dropping -pendantic change?
[21:55] <Ubulette> yes, and testing it
[21:55] <Ubulette> all for nothing :(
[21:55] <asac> ok ... sorry about it ... i said above that i will do test builds before sponsoring ... you probably missed that :(
[21:56] <Ubulette> no, i didn't
[21:56] <Ubulette> you never mentioned tb
[21:56] <asac> yeah ... i now see that that comment was in motu (because CheGuevara pinged me there)
[21:57] <Ubulette> i've waited for glib to hit the repo, then i've updated & rebuilt tb, and i was about to push
[21:58] <asac> yeah ... but the branch was lost anyway, because it started in the past
[21:58] <Ubulette> I used your most recent public branch
[21:58] <asac> which could have been prevented if you'd told me that you start working on a new tbird branch :)
[21:59] <Ubulette> if you don't push your stuff, how people are supposed to know ?
[21:59] <Ubulette> grrr, i'm pissed
[21:59] <Ubulette> nm
[21:59] <asac> your work has been reused ...  i cherry-picked the patches et al
[22:01] <Ubulette> but once again, you took ownership while i requested sponsorship. tell me if you don't want to sponsor me.
[22:02] <asac> and remember that i would have preferred to just use your branch ... so i suffered already from my lameness of not pushing the stable branch
[22:25] <asac> i really don't get what you complain about ... your contributions are clearly acknowledged in the changelog
[22:29] <asac> maybe its launchpad that leads you to the false impression that contributions within one changelog are worth less or something. this is a deficiency of launchpad for sure. Usually in team-maintenance people commit and add their changes to changelog. the one who uploads signs the release off by using dch -r
[22:31] <Ubulette> it's not the 1st time that i complain about the exact same thing. if you're not happy with something, you should tell it publicly and give a chance to the contributor to fix it, instead of redoing it silently on your side and at the same time gaining ownership of almost everything. that's frustrating.
[22:32] <Ubulette> i feel spoiled
[22:32] <asac> i don't get ownership of anything
[22:32] <Ubulette> where are my commits ?
[22:32] <Ubulette> even from the changelogs, you did <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:33] <asac> and?
[22:34] <Ubulette> and nothing. i just don't like that kind of practice
[22:34] <Ubulette> i won't work on that ever again
[22:35] <asac> so you would have preferred if i had told you that you need to redo everything based on the branch i forgot to push?
[22:35] <Ubulette> yes
[22:35] <Ubulette> at least ask me if i would like to do it
[22:36] <asac> but again ... the name in the changelog just means: uploader
[22:36] <asac> what is done by whome is annotated _in_ the changelog
[22:36] <Ubulette> I remember i've asked you to sponsor it, you never said the branch was wrong or anything
[22:37] <asac> yes ... because i didn't want to waste your time with these messy things
[22:37] <Ubulette> but forget it, you clearly protect your job, i can understand it


[00:05] <slickymaster> pleia2, can you please check http://docs.xubuntu.org/1504/
[00:06] <slickymaster> currently it's a dead link
[00:06] <krytarik> slickymaster: There you go, copy-pasting here - [01:24:10] <krytarik> Also, since we are chatting already, I'd like to have automatic sync *exports* re-enabled again for the docs translation of Vivid and Wily - this way, when finally someone gets to putting the Vivid one on docs.xubuntu.org, we'll have French too :) , and the other one is for Unit193's build on his server.
[00:06] <krytarik> [01:36:27] <krytarik> Generally, they all are sharing translations currently. So if we don't change any translation templates, automatic exports are the least thing we should do, to get the translated stuff into the respective branches.
[00:14] <slickymaster> done krytarik
[02:22] <krytarik> bluesabre: For when you come back, and for anyone else interested, reg. the default settings of Whisker Menu: http://git.xfce.org/panel-plugins/xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin/commit/?id=a920ed3b5851339f4cc6f3c872de312c07ee7140 - so in our case, /usr/share/xfce4/whiskermenu → /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/xfce4/whiskermenu
[03:13] <krytarik> And since I'm already sharing stuff, reg. LibreOffice - wrong base system, but oh well: http://paste.openstack.org/show/Wp5z3IweDFbAUEiloMPG/
[05:46] <mikodo> Hi people. http://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa/#testing  Would, "Testing development versions and packages in Xubuntu as well as filing test reports" that is automatically forwarded for Packaging Testing, Image Testing, and Upgrade Testing, without any bug reporting still helpful?
[05:47] <mikodo> ^^^ For future reference. I can't now.
[05:48] <ochosi> how would the image or upgrade tests be automatically forwarded?
[05:49] <mikodo> ochosi, I thought that was done with Ubuntu already. One runs the tests and then submits
[05:49] <ochosi> yeah, but submitting your results still includes a bit of work you gotta do by hand
[05:50] <ochosi> well, i dunno, i think ubuntu has some more automated methods
[05:50] <mikodo> Oh. I will need to read more for Xubuntu then. Thx
[05:53] <mikodo> As long as the "submitting the results by hand is easy enough, I should be able to do that.
[05:54] <ochosi> yeah, it's not that hard, really
[05:54] <mikodo> ochosi, Okay. Thanks.
[05:54] <ochosi> but anyway, just get in touch with folks in here and they'll try to help
[05:54] <ochosi> fyi, elfy is the QA lead
[05:55] <mikodo> I know he is, I just "bug him" too much already it seems, with stupid questions on Ubuntu Forums ..
[05:57] <mikodo> *forestpixie or whomever
[05:57] <ochosi> i see
[05:57] <mikodo> Again, thanks
[05:57] <ochosi> no worries
[05:57] <ochosi> new contributors to QA are definitely most welcome though ;)
[05:58] <mikodo> ; )
[05:58] <mikodo> :0
[05:58] <mikodo> shat
[07:28] <elfy> ochosi: ftr - not had any contact with him for ~2 years
[11:23] <brainwash> ochosi: what can be done to resolve bug 1293305 ? report is still open, just close it? or forward it upstream (-> bluesabre)
[13:38] <drc> pleia2: As requested.  What you do, send this guy a subscription of t-shirts? :)  http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/xubuntu-vivid.html
[14:26] <knome> press page updated
[14:26] <knome> pleia2, ^
[15:07] <knome> pleia2, updated the products page with bigger hellotux logo as well as added them to the donations page
[16:35] <pleia2> slickymaster: I know, I haven't updated it yet :( I'll try to get to it this weekend after I get home (packing up to check out of my hotel in vancouver now)
[16:35] <pleia2> knome: thanks <3
[16:55] <elfy> shame you can't comment on dedoimedo - I'd love to respond to " GIMP is there, too, but it should have been removed, and LibreOffice offered instead, given the choice between the two, rather than Abiword and Gnumeric."
[16:55] <elfy> but hey-ho - he can like that in October ;)
[18:21] <ali1234> mousepad is stuck in an endless loop again
[21:51] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, Do you need a merge bug for xfpm or can i just give you a debdiff?
[22:51] <Noskcaj> First time i've used actual upload rights in about a year, way easier than finding a sponsor


[02:52] <rustx> hi all
[03:04] <rustx> any update concerning https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1173265 ?
[03:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1173265 in facter (Ubuntu) "facter fails to run from rebuilt source package" [High,Triaged]
[03:04] <rustx> relied to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/facter/+bug/1170325 ?
[03:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1170325 in facter (Ubuntu) "Facter 1.6.X not considering Qemu/KVM virtual type" [Undecided,New]
[03:04] <rustx> ?
[06:41] <Mirv> hello. please accept the following raring unapproved syncs: unity-lens-video nux compiz unity-lens-applications unity bamf
[06:42] <Mirv> this is the first time I'm asking for these daily-build syncs so I'm unsure how it works, but to be sure I've checked also the latest builds, not only the ones mentioned in the queue (13.05.08)
[06:42] <infinity> I'm not sure that asking will make it happen much faster.  They're a pain to review. :/
[06:43] <infinity> In fact, they're impossible to review, since they're no longer in the PPA.
[06:43] <infinity> \o/
[06:43] <Mirv> ok, no problem there. mentioning just in case there is any questions about those.
[06:44] <Mirv> ok, so that's why it was useful to ask :) didrocks ^ any idea on how we should handle those in general, ie. stuff getting removed before the syncs are removed?
[06:44] <Mirv> s/removed/reviewed/ to the last one
[06:44] <infinity> I'm not sure that syncs are going to be the best way to do your SRUs...
[06:45] <Mirv> leveraging the daily build system has been a goal, but it needs to be in a way that works best for everyone
[06:45] <infinity> Or works at all.
[06:45] <Mirv> that's the first step :)
[06:46] <infinity> wgrant: Are these old versions still cleverly hidden in LP somewhere where I can get at them?
[06:46] <didrocks> Mirv: infinity: it's still in the ppa
[06:47] <didrocks> if you search for the superseeded ones
[06:47] <infinity> didrocks: Oh, right.
[06:47] <Mirv> they are, for example in https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/daily-build/+build/4559066 , but I'm not sure what's the best way to fetch them
[06:47] <infinity> This is about the most annoying workflow ever.
[06:47] <infinity> Not shocking that I haven't reviewed any of these. :/
[06:49] <didrocks> infinity: I thought that cjwatson exposed a new API to be able to review them in a easier way
[06:50] <didrocks> infinity: btw, you should have the same issue with the new kernels? how is it handled?
[06:50] <cjwatson> Doesn't 'queue fetch
[06:50] <infinity> didrocks: I review new kernels in their PPA, but they don't land a new build every day to obscure old ones.
[06:50] <infinity> cjwatson: Oh, did you make queue fetch actually follow all of this?
[06:51] <cjwatson> ' work?  Make sure you have a current queue.
[06:51] <cjwatson> Laney did.
[06:51]  * infinity tries.
[06:51] <infinity> Hey, that works.
[06:51] <infinity> Okay, still more annoying than my kernel workflow, but not world-endingly so.
[06:52] <infinity> Oh dear lord, but it's downloading all the binaries too.
[06:52] <infinity> Of course.
[06:52] <infinity> Cause the queue item is a binary copy.
[06:52]  * infinity head->desk.
[06:52] <infinity> That's going to really hurt when it includes ddebs in a few weeks.
[06:53]  * infinity goes back to reviewing kernels.
[06:53] <didrocks> yeah, would be good to find something easier, but still getting the same sustainability in term of quality that brings of testing the stack before pushing even for SRUs
[06:53] <StevenK> infinity: You're welcome.
[06:54] <infinity> If there's an easy (or even remotely possible) way to trace from a PCJ to an SPR, we could just grab the source with queue.
[06:54] <infinity> That might be nice. :P
[06:55] <wgrant> infinity: You can get old versions from a PPA by switching the Published filter on +packages to Superseded
[06:55] <infinity> wgrant: Yeah, didrocks covered that.
[06:55] <StevenK> infinity: We talked about linking a PCJ to a SPR at the sprint
[06:56] <infinity> wgrant: Not that that's convenient for this particular usecase.  queue fetch is a bit better, except that it's getting the whole PCJ.
[06:56] <cjwatson> infinity: On my list, but needs a DB change.
[06:56] <StevenK> Then we got distracted by ev wanting ddebs two weeks ago.
[06:56] <infinity> StevenK: I'm sure we did.  That was ages ago.  I can't brain that long. :)
[06:56] <cjwatson> queue show-urls or whatever might help for now.
[06:57] <cjwatson> Or hack fetch to igmore binaroes.
[06:57] <wgrant> infinity: Grab dsc URL, then get
[06:57] <wgrant> dget
[06:57] <cjwatson> With spelling.
[06:57] <infinity> Or that.
[06:57] <infinity> I just need the URL to feed to dget and I'm happy.
[06:58] <cjwatson> That's why queue has a subcommand for that ...
[06:58] <infinity> Ah-ha.
[07:00] <infinity> Wait, it does? :P
[07:00] <infinity> I guess it doesn't work on PCJs.
[07:02] <cjwatson> Leave an example in the queue and I'll have a look in a bit.
[07:03] <infinity> cjwatson: Leaving them all there right now, I'm busy with emergency kernel SRUs.
[07:03] <StevenK> cjwatson: I've got one -- http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5666760/
[07:43] <rustx> hi all
[07:44] <rustx> do you have any update concerning https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/facter/+bug/1170325 ? relied to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/facter/+bug/1173265 ?
[07:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1170325 in facter (Ubuntu) "Facter 1.6.X not considering Qemu/KVM virtual type" [Undecided,New]
[07:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1173265 in facter (Ubuntu) "facter fails to run from rebuilt source package" [High,Triaged]
[07:45] <infinity> rustx: You might want to talk to rbasak (who is posting patches to the bugs).  This channel isn't for bringing up your pet bugs.
[07:45] <infinity> rbasak: PS, if you need a sponsor for things like that, you know where to find me. :P
[07:46] <rustx> infinity : pet bugs ?
[07:47] <rustx> if you call a SRU update a pet bugs .. well, maybe I don't exactly get what you mean
[07:47] <infinity> rustx: Perhaps that was a bit too harsh, but the sentiment stands.  This channel is for release co-ordination, and occasionally severely critical bugs come into that, but most bugs (SRU bugs or otherwise) are just noise here.  If every bug had someone championing it in this channel, we'd not be able to speak.
[07:48] <rustx> ok. good way to make people help fixing bugs
[07:48] <rustx> doesn't matter
[07:48] <rustx> on my side, everything was fixed. We are just using LTS on production .. huhuhu
[07:49] <rustx> be sure i won't track any bug with you guy, and will fix those on my sides at the end.
[07:49] <infinity> rustx: My message opened with suggesting who you might want to talk to.
[07:49] <rustx> infinity
[07:50] <rustx> infinity: yes i got it, but the way you reply does not sounds like a 'Open Source community'. You should go and work with russians at mandriva
[07:50] <rustx> anyway, doesnt matter; rbasak is sometimes here, and this is thanks to this channel i icould go on with that bug
[07:51] <infinity> rbasak is also in #ubuntu-devel, which would be a better place to discuss bugfixes.
[07:51] <cjwatson> Bug tracking is gteat, but it does get tough when everythimg'smirrored onto IRC in coordonation channels
[07:52] <rustx> no trouble
[07:52] <rustx> i will quit the channel, and will not disturb you any more
[07:52] <rustx> thank you !
[07:52] <cjwatson> sigh, apparently not so good at typing in connectbot
[07:52] <infinity> And, to be fair, the reason I knew he was involved in the bugs was because I looked them up the last time you asked about them.
[07:52] <infinity> cjwatson: Nobody is.
[07:53] <rustx> infinity: thank you anyway, i don't get upset for this. sorry for disturbing
[07:55] <rustx> it's just when you have LTs on production, and when it's not stable, it's not good. That's all
[07:55] <rustx> bye bye
[07:58] <rbasak> rustx: I can update you in #ubuntu-devel. This channel is not the appropriate place.
[08:01] <rbasak> rustx: but I can only do that if you actually join #ubuntu-devel :)
[08:09] <rbasak> Do we run dep8 tests during rebuild tests, OOI?
[08:09] <cjwatson> No.
[08:09] <cjwatson> They're just package rebuilds.
[08:10] <cjwatson> But DEP-8 tests often involve partial rebuilds anyway ...
[08:10] <Laney> queue fetch downloading binaries> easy to turn this off or make it a flag - it's a separate API call anyway
[08:10] <rbasak> This facter bug is an example where if we'd had a dep8 test and it had run during a rebuild test then we'd have picked it up. But it only causes a delay fixing the issue in an SRU, rather than causing an actual regression in the archive.
[08:10] <Daviey> rbasak: Separately, i've been interested in running dep-8 tests accusingly
[08:11] <Daviey> occasionally
[08:11] <rbasak> fixing other issues in SRUs, rather
[08:13] <cjwatson> In this case wouldn't it have been sufficient to have a suitable package-build-time test?  Doesn't seem to require autopkgtest.
[08:14] <cjwatson> autopkgtest also often winds up rebuilding the package anyway, depending on configuration, so a rebuild test might well be redundant.
[08:15] <infinity> cjwatson: Actually, in this case, a build-time test wouldn't show the issue.
[08:15] <infinity> cjwatson: Cause build-deps allow it to work, but run-time deps are wrong.
[08:15] <rbasak> That may work, but I'm not confident in the general case. There seems to be some Ruby voodoo with generating the shebang that I don't like. I'm not confident that the generated (or supplied) Depends: line will match (or not match) with the shebang the same way in the build environment and after the package is properly installed.
[08:15] <Daviey> cjwatson: Unless i am mistaken, there isn't an upstream unit test on this package - which would mean introducing one - and dep8 seems to be a reasonable test for this issue?
[08:16] <infinity> Anyhow, doing dep-8 with our rebuild tests could prove difficult, since we don't publish the binary results of rebuild tests anywhere.
[08:17] <infinity> But I'm sure it could be done by someone sufficiently interested enough in making it happen.
[08:17] <Daviey> cjwatson: Generally, we were lookng to get greater dep8 coverage this cycle.. With some things being a simple "$binary --help" to check it exists 0 and didn't have an error starting.
[08:30] <rbasak> Just a thought for the future. It sounds like it's too much effort to be worth doing right now.
[08:33] <ogra_> stgraber, the current saucy image doesnt have the android bits (armel+$subarch), so it only advertises the rootfs (armhf) ... "ubuntu-touch" is what we will go with, "*-preview" will die when we stop rolling raring
[08:34] <cjwatson> Well, OK.  But AIUI a DEP-8 test that rebuilt the package would do the job here.
[08:35] <infinity> cjwatson: Not if the build-deps remain installed when the test is run.
[08:35] <infinity> cjwatson: The problem is that it ends up build-depending on ruby1.9.1 but runtime depending on ruby1.8 (oops).
[08:35] <cjwatson> They don't.  autopkgtest uses different chroots.
[08:36] <infinity> Maybe I'm misunderstandig what sort of test you meant.
[08:39] <ogra_> hmm, does britney have a hiccup ?
[08:39] <ogra_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[08:39] <ogra_>  unity-webapps-common : Depends: gjs but it is not installable
[08:39] <ogra_> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[08:39] <infinity> ogra_: That's not britney's fault.
[08:40] <ogra_> broken dependency ?
[08:40] <seb128> ogra_, gjs is in universe, we just got an upload in to fix that
[08:40] <infinity> ogra_: That's just you only having main in sources.list and unity-webapps-common growing a universe dep.  It's being fixed.
[08:40] <ogra_> (in any case it breaks all desktop images today)
[08:40] <infinity> (Well, it's sort of britney's fault, in that it doesn't take components into account, but that's a known misfeature)
[08:40] <ogra_> k
[08:52] <cjwatson> infinity: I'd have thought a simple DEP-8 --help test or similar would do it, as long as it's run/restricted/whatever such that it builds the package first and then tests the rebuilt one.  When autopkgtest tests a package, regardless of whether it's rebuilt it first, it takes care to install it in a chroot with only declared dependencies and to run the tests there.
[08:55] <infinity> cjwatson: Ahh, kay.
[08:55] <infinity> cjwatson: That last bit was the missing piece for me.
[08:59] <Daviey> nothing currently autopkgtest's suitable SRU's right?
[09:00] <infinity> There's very little automated anything for SRUs.  This is on the TODO list.
[09:00] <infinity> First step is sorting out how to bring britney into play for SRUs, then it can tie into autopkgtest the same way we plan to for development releases.
[09:04] <Daviey> infinity: sounds good
[10:46] <tkamppeter> Someone around who is in charge of SRUs? When will the proposed CUPS package for Quantal, bug 1086019, get approved?
[10:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1086019 in cups (Ubuntu Quantal) "cupsd crashes regularly (daily)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1086019
[10:47] <tkamppeter> infinity, RAOF, SpamapS, bdmurray, slangasek, ScottK: ^^
[10:53] <tkamppeter> Thanks.
[10:53] <infinity> NP.
[12:46] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, or anyone else, could you please approve that? ^^
[12:46] <jdstrand> sure
[12:47] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: done. it will build in -proposed now. ping me when it is ready and I'll copy to partner release
[12:47] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, cool, thanks. i've got uploads for the other 2 releases too. i'll upload those now
[12:48] <chrisccoulson> ok, those should appear any second now
[12:51] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand ^^ :)
[12:53] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: done
[12:54] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, cool, thanks
[13:06] <stgraber> ogra_: ok, any ETA on that (stop building raring)?
[13:06] <ogra_> stgraber, i am still researching the container flip
[13:06] <ogra_> we want to have that done before switching to saucy (though it doesnt look good atm)
[13:07] <stgraber> ok
[13:08] <stgraber> I'll just support both project names for now then and we'll drop -preview once we're done switching to saucy
[14:09] <davmor2> cjwatson: hey dude.  I just hit an interesting issue upgrading my Raring box to Saucy.  From UEFI/Secureboot comes the message Ubuntu has been blocked by the current security policy :(
[14:17] <cjwatson> davmor2: unlikely to be able to look during UDS sorry
[14:19] <davmor2> cjwatson: yeap no worries I disabled secure boot for now and it is working and I can easily reinstall a secure booted raring on it and upgrade again next week, I just thought I would highlight it as it just happened.
[16:47] <cjwatson> infinity: 'queue show-urls' now works on copies, and you can use the --source or --binary options to limit which items the 'fetch' and 'show-urls' subcommands operate on
[16:47] <cjwatson> infinity: so e.g. 'queue fetch -s raring-proposed -Q unapproved --source nux'
[17:52] <tumbleweed> apologies. got a friend's birthday do, I'll miss the release-ish sessions
[17:53] <tumbleweed> don't decide anything too crazy :)
[17:54] <stgraber> tumbleweed: will try to be reasonable, we'll just assign all the work items to you ;)
[17:54] <tumbleweed> good
[17:57] <Laney> seems perfectly reasonable to me
[17:57]  * iulian nods.
[18:54] <Laney> so I can't really make this session but my opinion is that the later feature freeze worked well and we should stick with it
[18:54] <Laney> bonne nuit
[19:03] <stgraber> Laney: ok, we'll share the work items with tumbleweed then ;) have a good evening
[19:07] <stgraber> infinity: ping
[19:07] <cjwatson> infinity: are you around for the release schedule discussion?
[19:07] <cjwatson> ah, snap
[19:18] <infinity> stgraber / cjwatson: Gah.  Late night kernels broke me.  Just woke up.
[19:59] <cjwatson> infinity: 20:51 <knome> can you also mail the flavor devel lists?
[20:00] <infinity> knome: Sure.
[20:03] <knome> infinity, thanks
[20:03] <knome> infinity, hmm, only now i connected your nick and name. did you use to use some other nick previously?
[20:03] <infinity> knome: I've been infinity for decades. ;)
[20:04] <knome> infinity, okay.. i thought adconrad or something.
[20:04] <knome> oh wait, that's your username - that makes sense :)
[20:04] <infinity> knome: Oh, I'm adconrad in launchpad, and generally as a UNIX login.
[20:04] <infinity> knome: Yeah.


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[00:09] <philipballew> grantbow, around?
[00:10] <philipballew> pleia2, are you?
[00:10] <philipballew> wondering who was doing the meeting tonight?
[00:11] <philipballew> I see no email so I might send one out
[03:03] <jtatum> I think pleia2 was going to run it.. but perhaps the travel derailed those plans
[03:04] <grantbow> yes, she texted me
[03:05] <grantbow> #startmeeting
[03:05] <darthrobot> Meeting started Mon Jan 14 03:05:14 2013 UTC.  The chair is grantbow. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[03:05] <grantbow> who all i shere for the meeting?
[03:05] <jtatum> o/
[03:05]  * eps nods
[03:05] <grantbow> our agenda is light. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/13January13
[03:05] <darthrobot> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/13January13 - Ubuntu Wiki]
[03:06] <grantbow> #topic SCALE11X Planning
[03:06] <philipballew> lets talk that
[03:06] <Darkwing> o/ (Lurking)
[03:06] <grantbow> #chair philipballew grantbow
[03:06] <darthrobot> Current chairs: grantbow philipballew
[03:07] <grantbow> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale11x
[03:07] <darthrobot> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale11x - Ubuntu Wiki]
[03:07] <philipballew> alright I have put in some work for scale and I would like to tell what work I have put into it, what the booth would look like, and how we can get people to help
[03:08] <philipballew> SO I have managed to get Pearson books to send me between 20-30 copies of the official ubuntu book to hand out
[03:09] <philipballew> I have contacted Sysmem 76 and they are going to bring a computer for us to have on the table so we do not have to use our own.
[03:10] <jtatum> nice!
[03:10] <philipballew> Also I am getting a conference pack sent to me soon from Canonical for the thing.
[03:10] <philipballew> Now we need booth volunteers.
[03:10] <Darkwing> Talk to Zareason, they sent me a laptop for Ohio Linux Fest, and I was only there for a half day.
[03:11] <philipballew> Darkwing, these places are usually really cool with that
[03:11]  * grantbow adds the wiki page to Projects
[03:11] <philipballew> at the bottom of the wiki is where you can out your name. put your name there and then email me so you can get a code to register.
[03:11] <philipballew> I should have the registration packet soon.
[03:12] <philipballew> were about 5 weeks out
[03:12] <philipballew> on the Wiki is a wiki for hotel share and ride share.
[03:13] <philipballew> hopefully someone can use these
[03:13] <grantbow> good work Philip :-)
[03:13] <eps> Airfares from the Bay Area are no bargain at the moment -- ~$192 (but the weekends are usually the worst times to be shopping for travel)
[03:13] <philipballew> Mege bus is nice
[03:13] <philipballew> *mega bus
[03:13] <philipballew> there about 25 each way last time Iooked
[03:14] <philipballew> *I looked
[03:14]  * Darkwing wishes he had $500 laying around to fly out
[03:14]  * grantbow too
[03:14] <philipballew> now I am not sure where these places stop and get off, however maybe someone from la can pick up these people if they need a ride.
[03:15] <philipballew> as LA is a big place
[03:16] <philipballew> currently working to make sure all booth workers have a few nice gifts to go home with as well.
[03:16] <philipballew> We do not pay, but we hand out free stuff.
[03:17] <eps> How many free T-shirts did you bring home last year? ;-)
[03:17] <philipballew> 29!
[03:18] <philipballew> southwest usually has good flight deals
[03:19] <philipballew> thats the best I have ever found
[03:19] <philipballew> eps, do you see yourself coming in Feb?
[03:20] <philipballew> currently I see 69 dollars there on sw and 69 back assuming you leave sf thursday and come back monday
[03:21] <eps> Probably. I prefer to fly, but Greyhound Express and Megabus are both viable possibilities. I like to minimize hotel stays, since they represent the major expense involved.
[03:21] <philipballew> http://www.southwest.com/flight/select-flight.html?newReturnDate=2-25&newDepartDate=&ss=0&disc=0%3A11%3A1358133601.289000%3A8725%403748F6158E05DEF15425208D2AA6CE141D836DF2
[03:21] <darthrobot> Title: [Southwest Airlines - Select Flight(s)]
[03:22] <philipballew> Spirt airlines is good if you can travel light
[03:22] <eps> Heh heh. No.
[03:22] <philipballew> Alright, so grantbow asked if we talk about the website
[03:23] <philipballew> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Website
[03:23] <darthrobot> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Website - Ubuntu Wiki]
[03:23] <philipballew> grantbow, wanna talk about it?
[03:23] <grantbow> anyone who is interested can take a look and let us know if you would like to help
[03:24] <grantbow> we've updated the web page with how things work right now
[03:24] <grantbow> suggestions welcome
[03:24] <grantbow> that's all I have for the website.
[03:24] <grantbow> anyone else?
[03:26] <grantbow> any other topics?
[03:26] <eps> There should be more here: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-california/events
[03:26] <darthrobot> Title: [Ubuntu California Events List | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal]
[03:26] <philipballew> probably should
[03:26] <grantbow> good point, thanks for volunteering to help keep it updated eps
[03:27] <eps> You're funny.
[03:27] <grantbow> any other topics?
[03:29] <grantbow> welcome back troyreadyyy we were just about to end the meeting. Any other topics?
[03:30] <grantbow> #endmeeting
[03:30] <darthrobot> Meeting ended Mon Jan 14 03:30:04 2013 UTC.
[03:30] <darthrobot> Minutes:        http://ihas.5cat.com/~darthrobot/ubuntu-us-ca/2013/ubuntu-us-ca.2013-01-14-03.05.moin.txt
[03:30] <grantbow> thanks everyone
[03:30] <grantbow> I am sorry I am going to miss scale. Sounds like fun this year.
[03:30] <troyreadyyy> grantbow: thanks -- sorry for barging in at the end!
[03:31] <grantbow> the mroe the merrier
[03:31] <grantbow> more
[03:32] <grantbow> philipballew anything else you need help with?
[03:32] <philipballew> I think we are good
[03:32] <philipballew> just remember to sign up for the booth
[03:33] <grantbow> thanks for organizing
[03:34] <philipballew> not a problem. Glad to help.
[03:34] <grantbow> are there other names that should go on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/ ?
[03:34] <darthrobot> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Projects - Ubuntu Wiki]
[03:34] <philipballew> not sure
[03:35] <grantbow> if you are the primary contact then I guess not
[03:35] <grantbow> there were three listed for last year
[03:40] <grantbow> you must be three times as active :-)
[03:40] <philipballew> pleia2, is the loco contact
[05:45] <philipballew> grantbow, around?
[06:13] <pleia2> thanks grantbow and philipballew
[06:14] <pleia2> philipballew: sorry for not getting the email out, was traveling all day so only managed to get the social media stuff out :(
[06:14] <philipballew> pleia2, not a problem
[06:15] <pleia2> should have sent it out yesterday
[06:18] <philipballew> For sure. I think we still had a good turnout, and the Scale booth has some good volunteers so far. I can shoot it out next time if you are not available to.
[06:19] <philipballew> or if you decide Seattle is too good to ever leave.
[06:20] <pleia2> haha
[06:20] <pleia2> it is pretty cool :)
[06:20] <pleia2> but I love SF
[06:21] <pleia2> and it's really cold here
[06:21] <pleia2> time for me to get some sleep, I'm beat
[06:22] <philipballew> Sleep tight, don;t let the bed bugs bite.
[06:22] <pleia2> thanks :)
[17:30] <Torikun> sup
[17:32] <raevol> hello
[17:33] <toddc> good morning all
[17:33] <toddc> well good day?
[17:34] <toddc> Torikun: are you new?
[18:13] <Torikun> kinda
[18:13] <Torikun> you?
[18:16] <toddc> I am one of the team leaders
[18:16] <toddc> so if you have any questions please ask
[18:18] <toddc> or accually  not but can help anyway
[18:18] <toddc> not paying attantion to which channel I am in
[20:35] <philipballew> kdub, around?


[22:27] <Liver_K> hey i have a question about the tftpd package in apt, cant find any more related channel than this so ill put it here: is it a real package??
[22:28] <Liver_K> i installed tftpd and all it did was put some documentation for it in a few different places
[22:28] <Liver_K> how do i get it working?
[22:33] <sdeziel> Liver_K: the package `tftpd-hpa` is probably the one you want
[22:34] <Liver_K> what is tftpd tho?
[22:35] <Liver_K> seems either really old or the description is wrong
[22:42] <rbasak> Liver_K: looks like it integrates with xinetd
[22:51] <Liver_K> but it says it is usually started with inetd
[22:52] <Liver_K> but it doesnt even have inet as a dependancy
[23:09] <Liver_K> Ooooooooh wait a minute, it has the option for either xinetd or inet-superserver as its one dependancy
[23:09] <Liver_K> ok i got it ima look at xinetd now
[23:51] <Liver_K> rbasak: do you know if tftpd-hpa needs inetd or equivalent to start?


[00:26] <DWSR> Hey all, having an issue booting into my 12.04 LTS server install. Used the server media to partition an LVM onto a boot drive, now booting from that drive gives me "Reboot and select proper boot media"
[00:40] <eutheria> hello, can anyone suggest a dns server that has a java api to editing a zone?
[00:44] <failmaster> eutheria, google knows some http://www.xbill.org/dnsjava/
[00:45] <eutheria> i was after first hand experience ;)
[00:45] <failmaster> sorry then =)
[02:27] <Nicekiwi> so.. Ive broken the SSH server on my 'server'.. so i cant use SSH and I cant start it. Help?
[02:27] <Nicekiwi> i can access the console, but i cant figure out why ssh wont start
[02:33] <qman__> sudo start ssh; tail -n25 /var/log/syslog
[02:36] <Nicekiwi> nvm, my sshd_config was currupted. Resinalled ssh server
[02:39] <Nicekiwi> qman__, thanks anyway :)
[03:14] <funkster> i have two servers. one is open to public, the other is behind a firewall/nat (ports cannot be opened) what is a way i can push notications to the firewall/nat server so it can trigger actions to take?
[03:15] <RoyK> do it manually
[03:15] <funkster> that wont scale for the project.
[03:15] <qman__> depends on what sort of notifications
[03:16] <qman__> you could have the firewalled server connect with SSH and read a file on a regular basis
[03:16] <RoyK> outbound ports works by session handles if the iptables rueles are configured correctly
[03:16] <qman__> or if you are syncing files, you could use btsync
[03:16] <RoyK> return ports as well
[03:16] <funkster> RoyK: i have no clue what you are talking about.
[03:17] <RoyK> funkster: what are you trying to do_
[03:17] <RoyK> ?
[03:17] <funkster> qman__: someone would perform an action on the public server and that needs to instantly trigger an action on the firewalled server.
[03:18] <qman__> what kind of action, at both ends?
[03:18] <RoyK> funkster: if you don't know what I'm talking about, you might not know what *you* are talking about
[03:19] <funkster> i need to run a shell script on the firewalled server once the public server tells it to. in a nut shell
[03:20] <qman__> well, the first step is deciding on what method you want the action performed with, there are literally a million ways to do it
[03:20] <RoyK> setup ssh keys and run thos jobs with ssh
[03:20] <qman__> if it's management tasks, you might look into salt stack
[03:20] <qman__> if it's a simple set of custom actions, reverse SSH or a cron job to check might be best
[03:21] <funkster> cronjob isnt fast enough
[03:21] <funkster> id have to loop a script every 1-2 seconds to check the public server.
[03:21] <RoyK> then use a shellscript
[03:21] <RoyK> make a loop in it
[03:21] <RoyK> while true ; do something ; sleep 2 ; done
[03:21] <funkster> didnt i just say that?
[03:22] <qman__> you could set up autossh on the firewalled server providing a reverse SSH tunnel
[03:22] <qman__> then have your script on the public server run an SSH command over that tunnel
[03:22] <qman__> downtime can exist though, I find that in practice you might lose connection for as much as five minutes
[03:22] <qman__> if you need something with higher reliability you might have to write it yourself
[03:23] <qman__> openVPN is also a possibility, though probably overkill for this task
[03:24] <funkster> right!
[03:30] <fbdystang> Hi, I just installed an ubuntu zentyal email server. I am using afraid.org for dns. I can send emails just fine but cannot receive them. Please advise, and thanks in advance!
[03:33] <qman__> a static IP is required to run an internet email server
[03:33] <qman__> additionally, most residential internet connections and dynamic business connections block incoming SMTP traffic at the ISP level
[03:34] <fbdystang> qman_: Really? If that is true then that is my issue. But I find that very hard to believe
[03:34] <qman__> believe it, it's a fact
[03:34] <qman__> while there is no technical reason you can't accept mail using a dynamic IP, no one will actually send it to you
[03:34] <fbdystang> SMTP is open from my isp
[03:35] <qman__> spam is a huge problem and in order to combat it, mail providers are extremely picky about who they will and will not accept mail from and send it to
[03:35] <qman__> simply using a dynamic IP at all puts you in many RBLs
[03:36] <qman__> you can check a lot of public ones yourself by going to mxtoolbox.com
[03:37] <fbdystang> Wow, that is too bad. I am not understanding why other mail providers need be involved if I host my own email server
[03:38] <qman__> in order for you to send email to other people, and for other people to send email to you
[03:38] <qman__> if you only care about sending email to yourself, it doesn't matter
[03:38] <fbdystang> OK, let me try sending email to myself and see if that goes through
[03:38] <qman__> but I assume that you want to actually send email to other people on the internet
[03:38] <qman__> as most do
[03:39] <fbdystang> I can send just fine, it is receive that gets broke
[03:39] <fbdystang> ah, it worked to myself
[03:40] <qman__> what's your internet IP and domain name? I can check if it lines up from here and if the port is open
[03:41] <fbdystang> So if I send an email from yahoo to my server, it won't go through because yahoo sees my server as too small and therefore a potential danger?
[03:41] <fbdystang> Isn't there a better way to send you my IP and domain?
[03:41] <qman__> not exactly, but if things aren't all set up the way they need to be, they might interpret it as virus activity or not be able to confirm your MX records match up
[03:42] <qman__> what do you mean by a better way?
[03:42] <fbdystang> I don't want the world to see it
[03:42] <qman__> your DNS is published to the world already, and your IP is available to anyone who looks
[03:43] <qman__> you're probably already getting hit by bots from china
[03:43] <fbdystang> Is there a way to PM on here?
[03:44] <qman__> my point is, the world already sees it, you're not protecting yourself in anyway by not posting it here
[03:45] <qman__> I'm just not willing to go through the effort of port scanning you and doing reverse DNS lookups
[03:47] <fbdystang> neither does anyone else, which is what protects me. There has to be a better way, as I would really like your help seeing if it is matched up correctly.
[03:48] <fbdystang> I have issued a dig command and it appears correct
[03:48] <qman__> did you run dig mx?
[03:48] <fbdystang> yes
[03:49] <qman__> did you ask anyone else's nameserver, such as dig ns @<IP_ADDRESS> yoursite.com
[03:49] <fbdystang> canyouseeme.org shows port 25 open so I assume I am good there
[03:49] <fbdystang> nope let me try that
[03:50] <qman__> err
[03:50] <qman__> dig mx @<IP_ADDRESS> yoursite.com
[03:50] <qman__> not ns
[03:51] <fbdystang> ok what am I lookin for?
[03:52] <qman__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5972253/
[03:52] <qman__> look at ANSWER SECTION
[03:52] <qman__> should look something like that
[03:52] <qman__> and then, you should be able to dig the answer to an A record
[03:53] <qman__> in this case, mail.deadface.org resolves to my server's IP
[03:53] <fbdystang> ok, just going through it now. stand by
[03:54] <fbdystang> yep, mine looks EXACTLY like that
[03:54] <qman__> silly question, did you purchase a domain name or are you using one of their free subdomains?
[03:55] <qman__> yahoo may automatically block sending to all their freebie subdomains to prevent abuse
[03:55] <fbdystang> No, I purchase from godaddy, then pointed to afraid.org because I don't understand dns yet
[03:55] <qman__> ok
[03:56] <fbdystang> If I do a pastebin of my domain and give a small TTL do you think you could take a look?
[03:56] <qman__> well, the basic requirements for other servers to send you email are having an A record that points to your server, and having an MX record for your domain which points to that A record
[03:56] <qman__> sure
[03:57] <fbdystang> ok stand by
[03:58] <fbdystang> http://pastebin.com/DTBueKGE
[03:59] <fbdystang> I think it is a setting in postfix or zentyal that isn't talking to that MX correctly
[03:59] <qman__> ok, port 25 is not responding
[04:00] <qman__> the DNS lines up correctly, assuming that IP is right
[04:00] <qman__> do you have other ports open on the same server?
[04:00] <qman__> just to make sure it matches
[04:00] <fbdystang> yes
[04:01] <fbdystang> 83
[04:01] <qman__> when I GET on port 80 (http) I see a page like this: "Free domain sharing - Site not yet configured"
[04:01] <fbdystang> Yes, I am blocking 80 on my router
[04:01] <qman__> well, it's going to a site
[04:02] <qman__> a site which says free domain sharing is not configured
[04:02] <qman__> are you connected here on the same internet connection as your server?
[04:02] <fbdystang> yes
[04:02] <qman__> ok, then your A record is pointing to the wrong IP
[04:03] <fbdystang> Really?
[04:03] <qman__> yes
[04:03] <fbdystang> try port 8084 and see if that comes up with a website
[04:03] <qman__> nope, nothing
[04:04] <qman__> your A record should be pointing to the internet IP of your server, which can be gathered by running "curl ifconfig.me" on the server
[04:04] <fbdystang> OK, very interesting
[04:04] <fbdystang> stand by, typing that in
[04:05] <qman__> you might have to apt-get install curl
[04:05] <fbdystang> yea, installing
[04:08] <fbdystang> Ok, curl gives me exactly what I thought my IP was
[04:08] <qman__> ok, the IP I get ends in 179
[04:09] <fbdystang> OK, that is wrong
[04:09] <qman__> how long ago did you set up your DNS?
[04:09] <fbdystang> Is there a way to see exactly what you are seeing?
[04:10] <qman__> http://pastebin.com/ADuPAtFc
[04:10] <fbdystang> It was like a year ago, I am checking my account on afraid.org right now to verify the IP. But it has to be right because all other webtraffic comes in correctly
[04:10] <qman__> I set it to 10 minutes
[04:11] <fbdystang> I appreciate it
[04:12] <fbdystang> I am getting different nameservers with the same command
[04:13] <qman__> when I ask google I get the same IP but the NS is ns1.afraid.org.
[04:14] <fbdystang> I am stumped :(
[04:14] <fbdystang> But I am sure this is my problem
[04:14] <qman__> well, it would definitely prevent mail from getting there
[04:14] <qman__> log into your afraid.org and check what it's set to
[04:15] <qman__> also, it's advisable to add more NS records to your domain, at least two is normal
[04:16] <fbdystang> Do you mean more NS records from afraid.org? There are 4
[04:16] <qman__> yes
[04:19] <fbdystang> Ok, just typing in mail.mydomain.com into the browser gets to my webmail (A record), but it looks like the MX version doesn't make it. How is that possible?
[04:20] <qman__> I get an SSL protocol error
[04:20] <fbdystang> Is MX on a specific port that I need to forward?
[04:20] <qman__> but it redirects to a different subdomain
[04:20] <qman__> a.
[04:21] <qman__> so unless your ubuntu server is doing that, you have something else in the way
[04:21] <fbdystang> a.mydomain.com is masked to my ip
[04:21] <fbdystang> afraid.org is doing that
[04:21] <qman__> I see
[04:21] <GH0> How would I go about changing the default group on a newly created file so that it is set for the parent folder, or for the users default group?
[04:21] <qman__> in that case, your MX record is pointing to the wrong name
[04:22] <qman__> the MX record _has_ to point _directly_ to your mail exchanger
[04:22] <qman__> so it should point to a.yoursite.com
[04:22] <fbdystang> ahhhh, you are right!!!
[04:22] <fbdystang> Let me try that
[04:23] <qman__> GH0, setgid on the parent directory, or change filesystem mount options
[04:23] <GH0> Hey qman, I personally tried using ACL's, but for whatever reason the program I am using is not wanting to follow rules of the acl.
[04:24] <GH0> Okay, and if that fails, what would be the easiest way for the file to inherit permissions of the parent folder?
[04:24] <GH0> Because right now, every new file in the directory is created with rw------- which is not helping me.
[04:25] <qman__> the umask of the application
[04:26] <GH0> So... what if that application is firefox/chrome?
[04:26] <GH0> Hold on, before you answer that let me google how to do that.
[04:26] <qman__> firefox and chrome will abide your user's umask setting for downloaded files
[04:27] <GH0> Isn't changing the default umask for a user somewhat risky?
[04:27] <qman__> setting world read/write bits by default might be depending on your use case
[04:27] <qman__> but the default umask is 0022
[04:27] <qman__> which would have files created 644 and directories / executables 755
[04:28] <GH0> Because while I would love for the ability of the newly created files to be read globally, I also don't want the home folder to be read by every single user in this case.
[04:29] <GH0> Because the files are being downloaded to /home/user/Downloads, I am trying to make it so that only that folder is able to read, write, and execute versus /home/user/Documents.
[04:29] <fbdystang> qman_ How long will it take to propagate that new ip on afraid .org?
[04:29] <GH0> Which is what I was trying to do with the ACL thing, but that failed.
[04:29] <qman__> fbdystang, depends on the TTL you set
[04:30] <fbdystang> qman_: on my server or on afraid.org?
[04:30] <qman__> it should only take a few minutes for your settings to apply in afraid.org's system, but for those settings to propogate to the servers, it can take up to the whole TTL length
[04:30] <fbdystang> dang
[04:30] <qman__> the TTL setting in your DNS zone on afraid.org
[04:32] <GH0> qman, what is the third sticky bit? Is it o+s or something else?
[04:32] <qman__> GH0, you could create a script which runs "umask 0022; chromium-browser" to start it with
[04:32] <qman__> there isn't one
[04:33] <qman__> or 0000 depending on what yo uwant
[04:38] <fbdystang> OK, dig still lists the wrong ip, but I just received an email I sent to myself hours ago
[04:39] <fbdystang> So I expect dig will straighten out with propagation time
[04:41] <shauno> it's looking sane from here.  yourdomain still points to .179, but now has mx pointed to mx.yourdomain, which ends .231   (none of my business, but I thought I'd take a look since I don't have it cached)
[04:45] <fbdystang> much appreciated shauno
[04:47] <GH0> qman__, is there no other way then writing a script that initiates the function for the application?
[04:48] <qman__> not unless the application has a feature to set file permissions upon download
[04:48] <qman__> possibly a browser extension
[04:56] <GH0> I don't understand this then. Why if I set a umask for the user of 0057 the program doesn't follow that umask in the first place? Why does the program follow it's own umask?
[05:05] <fbdystang> qman_: shauno: It looks to be working perfect now. Thanks for the help, I really appreciate it. It is awesome people like you that promote open source and helping others that make a huge difference in the ubuntu community. Well done.
[05:06] <fbdystang> MX records are now pointing to the right IP :)
[09:46] <Halo1_> how do i enable ftp in my server , am am trying to put filles to it , ssh seems to work just fine after download openssh-server
[09:47] <mardraum> ideally, use sftp, part of openssh
[09:47] <mardraum> otherwise, install an ftp client like vsftp
[09:47] <mardraum> er, ftp server, like vsftp.
[09:48] <mardraum> you can also use scp if you have ssh working fine.
[09:49] <mardraum> if you want a nice gui client that does sftp, try filezilla
[09:51] <Halo1_> am trying to ftp from a windowss client
[09:52] <mardraum> if you are not willing to use a client that supports sftp, then you have to install and configure an ftp server like vsftpd
[09:52] <mardraum> (filezilla works on windows, btw)
[09:53] <Halo1_> lol didnt think of that thanks
[12:08] <QuackQuacker> Hi im trying to setup a local server which serves a welcome page with apache2. This is working fine. Now i have setup a AP and would like when connected to it and asking for any adress (etc. test.com ) go to my localhost instead. I have tried googling around and looked and iptables, but without success.
[12:08] <Rapid2214> Just saw this in ubuntu, what is your AP (access point?) setup with?
[12:09] <QuackQuacker> Atm it is just setup with the ubuntu create wireless. But i could set it up with airbase or etc.
[12:09] <QuackQuacker> *airbase-ng
[12:11] <Rapid2214> Ok, what IP range do your client receive? and what is the IP of the server?
[12:11] <QuackQuacker> its <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:12] <Rapid2214> and clients?
[12:12] <QuackQuacker> For the server IP. For the clients i am unsure, how do i check this?
[12:13] <QuackQuacker> The assigned IP when connected to the AP?
[12:13] <Rapid2214> Yeah
[12:13] <QuackQuacker> Moment, i will just have to jump of the network and check.
[12:13] <QuackQuacker> Hang on. bbiab
[12:13] <QuackQuacker> Thanks for the help and effort btw
[12:13] <Rapid2214> I assume it will be the DHCP of the same network, np
[12:19] <QuackQuacker> Rapid2214, it was assigned <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:19] <Rapid2214> Ok, it's not getting a DHCP address then, can you do anything on that device?
[12:20] <RoyK> QuackQuacker: that's a self-assigned address
[12:20] <QuackQuacker> Ok
[12:20] <QuackQuacker> No not really, it does not seem even to connect to the localhost via the ip
[12:21] <QuackQuacker> Maybe i should use airmon-ng instead?
[12:21] <QuackQuacker> wheps airbase
[12:21] <RoyK> perhaps you should set a valid ip-address for that box first
[12:22] <RoyK> I mean, on the same ip network as the other machines in that place
[12:23] <Rapid2214> RoyK, that is a wireless device he is connecting to a AP created on his server of <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:24] <Rapid2214> Quack, that will be fine, we will just have to use IP tables to make it work nicely
[12:24] <Rapid2214> Did you use the graphical network manager? or file based?
[12:25] <QuackQuacker> I would love to use a gui network manager, so far ive tried different "sudo iptables ... "
[12:25] <Rapid2214> What did you use to setup your wireless?
[12:26] <QuackQuacker> atm it is set up via. ubuntu "create new wirelesss network"
[12:27] <Rapid2214> Ok, not entirely sure how that works but I can give it an educated guess, do you have internet on that machine to give a pastebin output?
[12:27] <RoyK> QuackQuacker: a server with a gui?
[12:28] <QuackQuacker> RoyK, yes, i can just disconnect from the current connection, set it up, copy, and come back here again.
[12:28] <RoyK> QuackQuacker: anyway - if you "create new wireless network" it'll be a peer-to-peer thing, and not part of your wireless network (if you have one)
[12:29] <QuackQuacker> RoyK, i would like any peer connecting to my directed to my localhost nomatter what adress they put in...
[12:29] <Rapid2214> RoyK, I have bridged to access the internet in the past, so it's possible
[12:30] <QuackQuacker> Point being, i do not want anyone that connect to my AP to be connect with the net, just be redirected to my localhost page.
[12:31] <Rapid2214> Quack, can you access your 42.1 from your current PC? does the svr has ssh installed?
[12:32] <QuackQuacker> Im using this machine im at as access point, so i would have to switch off the current connection, start the ap, go to another computer, connect to app. Check. And yes i have ssh on this server.
[12:32] <QuackQuacker> Let me just test. if you hold on.
[12:33] <Rapid2214> I will only work in command line so if you can ssh to that machine it would make things quicker :)
[12:48] <QuackQuacker> Back. Well no Rapid2214, it was no succes. I can connect to the AP fine. But when browsing to 10.42. it does not connect to that machine localhost
[12:49] <QuackQuacker> Maybe i should use a proper program for the ap instead of the ubuntu gui
[12:50] <Rapid2214> Yeah might as well
[12:51] <Rapid2214> Im just creating a vid tutorial so might be slow to respond
[12:52] <QuackQuacker> Yea, thanks for the effort. I will try something like hostapd and return when i know more
[13:16] <mikeey> is there a way to view the packets which have been sent to the NIC for TCP checksum offloading like there is in Windows?
[13:16] <mikeey> or do I have to rely on ethtool -K being correct?
[13:24] <mardraum> how would it be incorrect?
[13:29] <RoyK> mikeey: wireshark?
[13:30] <mikeey> RoyK, I'll give that a go, thanks
[13:30] <mikeey> mardraum, Windows likes enabling things but not really enabling it, I was under the assumption that Ubuntu could do that aswell
[13:34] <mardraum> can you give me some evidence about this "windows fact"?
[13:48] <mikeey> mardraum, what I ment was that I never get it to work properly in Windows, netsh int tcp show global tells me chimney offloading is enabled, while netstat -nt claims all connections are InHost
[13:48] <mikeey> aka, not offloaded
[13:49] <mikeey> hence I want to make sure they are actually getting offloaded in ubuntu
[13:56] <Patrickdk> heh? tcp checksum is just one of many things windows chimney offload does
[13:57] <Patrickdk> and the checksum only part won't show up in netstat
[13:57] <Patrickdk> atleast according to microsoft
[13:58] <Patrickdk> do you have a real server grade nic in that machine? that supports scatter-gather, tso, gso, gro?
[13:58] <Patrickdk> probably lro also
[13:59] <mikeey> it's an Intel Pro/1000MT PCIe Server adapter
[14:05] <Patrickdk> ya, it only has sending optimizations, nthing for receive
[14:05] <Patrickdk> it's just too old
[14:06] <Patrickdk> not that linux or windows isn't using it, but windows can't push the whole thing into the nic to be handled, cause it doesn't support the whole thing
[14:06] <mikeey> ah
[14:06] <mikeey> so I'm out of luck?
[14:06] <Patrickdk> dunno, what kind of luck did you want?
[14:07] <Patrickdk> it supports tcp checksum offloading
[14:07] <mikeey> that is what I want
[14:07] <Patrickdk> and that is very very easy to test with wireshark, it will complain all outgoing packets have bad checksums
[14:07] <RoyK> mikeey: is there a performance issue with your system, or are you just curious?
[14:07] <mikeey> I'm just curious
[14:08] <RoyK> ok
[14:08] <RoyK> imho if there isn't an issue, why bother :P
[14:08] <mikeey> because it's fun to fiddle with it haha
[14:08] <RoyK> :)
[14:11] <mikeey> Patrickdk, so if Wireshark complains about all the outgoing packets having bad checksums the tcp offloading part works?
[14:11] <Patrickdk> if other computers receive the packets? yes
[14:12] <Patrickdk> cause something outside of linux, is adding proper checksums
[14:12]  * Patrickdk notes, this is a common xen issue
[14:13] <mikeey> alright
[14:13] <mikeey> thanks for the help/explanations
[14:23] <mikeey> well, wireshark tells me that almost all my packets have invalid checksums - is that what I was looking for?
[14:24] <RoyK> ouch
[14:24] <RoyK> can you post a trace somewhere?
[14:25] <RoyK> tshark -i ethX -w blah.pcap
[14:25] <mikeey> it does say "May be caused by TCP checksum offloading"
[14:27] <mikeey> http://wiki.wireshark.org/CaptureSetup/Offloading
[14:28] <RoyK> then try to disable it and see if it works better
[15:26] <ddsss> Why does my fstab: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5973972/  produces this dir layout:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/5973978/
[15:28] <ddsss> ^ I mean -> why is junk_1tb is 755, while others are 777  with identical fstab entries?
[15:28] <ddsss> I mean -> why is junk_1tb is 755, while others are 777  with identical fstab entries?
[15:35] <bekks> Because of the permissions set on the filesystems.
[15:35] <ddsss> bekks, directories created automatically during boot. I don't create them manually.
[15:35] <bekks> Thats not what I am talking about.
[15:36] <bekks> In the past, you did set the permissions on A to 755 while you set them to 777 on B.
[15:37] <ddsss> bekks, emm. im not sur if I'm following....
[15:37] <ddsss> bekks, how would I go aboutt fixing it?
[15:38] <ddsss> bekks, when I unmount them and remove /mnt/* adn reboot - they get recreated during boot with junk_1tb being 755 and others 777...
[15:43] <ddsss> bekks, got it sorted. just chmodded 777 and it stays like that after reboot. thank!
[15:49] <andol> ddsss: Also, are you sure that 777 is the right solution to whatever permission situation you are having?
[15:52] <ddsss> andol, this is a nas server. those 3 drives should be visible and browserable by anyone on the network, ie guest access (it's a home nas).
[15:52] <ddsss> andol, so I'm just mounting these 3 drievs to be used by samba  basically.
[16:17] <QuackQuacker> Rapid2214, still around. Ive setup a new test box. Atm its running an AP with airbase. I can connect but do not get an proper IP.
[16:18] <QuackQuacker> Im in doubt on how to couple the ap thats running "mon0" with a dhcp server.
[21:52] <ironhalik> Hello
[21:53] <ironhalik> it may be a stupid question, but how can I check if a system is ubuntu desktop or ubuntu server? :>
[21:54] <ironhalik> I'm not sure if deployed image is gui-less ubuntu, or ubuntu server
[21:54] <ironhalik> lsb_release -a says it's ubuntu 13.04
[21:54] <Rapid2214> Do you only have SSH access atm then?
[21:55] <ironhalik> yup
[21:55] <Rapid2214> dpkg --get-selections | grep network-manager
[21:55] <Rapid2214> that is a graphical package
[21:55] <Rapid2214> not sure of another way, never come accross the need :)
[21:56] <ironhalik> well, there's no output :>
[21:56] <ironhalik> sources.list has just raring repos
[21:57] <Rapid2214> dpkg --get-selections | less
[21:57] <Rapid2214> then you can check what packages are installed, pastebin the pages if you are unsure
[21:58] <ironhalik> well, no Xorg :>
[21:59] <ironhalik> I'm new to Ubuntu as a server OS, not sure if Ubuntu is mostly a desktop 'remix' with GUI parts hacked out
[21:59] <ironhalik> or more of a standalone project
[21:59] <bekks> The GUI pats are no hack.
[21:59] <DWSR> its neither, really.
[22:01] <Rapid2214> I much prefer using ubuntu as a server, gui just pisses me off :P
[22:02] <ironhalik> hmm, I do have alndscape installed :>
[22:02] <ironhalik> landscape*
[22:04] <Rapid2214> isnt that just an update webui management thing? What more does it do?
[22:04] <ironhalik> kinda, allows for batch server management, etc
[22:04] <ironhalik> AFAIK, ofcourse
[22:06] <Rapid2214> humm, and it's pay for i think :( Puppet opensource ftw :P
[22:09] <patdk-wk> heh? puppet isn't opensource
[22:09] <Rapid2214> It has a opensource branch
[22:10] <Rapid2214> https://puppetlabs.com/puppet/puppet-open-source/
[22:11] <patdk-wk> oh, I wrote it off, since it's so limited in what I would want it to do
[22:13] <Rapid2214> I really like it, just finished a class to setup to vm cluster nodes
[22:19] <lifeless> hallyn: so is there some way to turn off the subvolume stuff for lxc w/btrfs?
[22:20] <lifeless> hallyn: it interferes with --one-filesystem backups :<
[22:33] <s0m3body> Hello, I have a server and I wanted to know what the best way to combine drives is? My host doesn
[22:33] <s0m3body> doesn't offer RAID0, so I wanted to do something like that
[23:33] <mramaria> hi. any known issue on 13.04 64 mini not recognizing kb and mouse?
[23:35] <mramaria> it«s a  TX200 S2 - XEON 3.2Ghz DUAL CORE. tested other OSs and do fine.
[23:37] <mramaria> ... and i did try other kb & mouse...
[23:38] <jkitchen> not recognizing, as in, they don't work? or?
[23:38] <jkitchen> could be a usb thing.
[23:38] <jkitchen> like it's not recognizing your usb hub
[23:38] <jkitchen> which would be *really* weird.
[23:39] <mramaria> I'm trying to do an installation and I can't pass installer boot menu due to kb and mouse not functioning
[23:39] <mramaria> jkitchen: but it recognizes in debian, win server...
[23:39] <jkitchen> no, I mean a driver issue with 13.04
[23:39] <jkitchen> not blaming your hardware
[23:39] <mramaria> oh :)
[23:40] <mramaria> :(
[23:40] <jkitchen> are you using usb or ps2 keyboard?
[23:40] <mramaria> usb jkitchen
[23:40] <jkitchen> is there a ps2 keyboard available you can use?
[23:40] <jkitchen> assuming the machine has ps2 ports.
[23:41] <jkitchen> not saying that's the solution. I mean, it's *a* solution, but we can use the ps2 keyboard to troubleshoot
[23:41] <jkitchen> or if you have a ps2/usb adapter
[23:41] <mramaria> i have to find one. yes i have but not near by. that's a sollution indeed
[23:41] <mramaria> solution i men
[23:41] <jkitchen> you can also look into your machine's bios to see if it has legacy usb keyboard support enabled
[23:42] <jkitchen> I've had that cause wonkiness depending on how it was  set
[23:42] <mramaria> tks jkitchen . i'll install tomorrow
[23:42] <mramaria> tks a lot
[23:52] <delinquentme> so weve got a two servers on is the web .. other the database.
[23:53] <delinquentme> I'm just assuming that we've got some SSH keys for connections between the two ... and I'm root on the web server
[23:53] <delinquentme> How can I 1) check to see what SSH permissions are between these machines 2) attempt to use that key for connection purposes