[00:10] <yofel> I merged 5% of applications..
[00:10] <yofel> this will take a while
[00:14] <valorie> weee
[00:15] <valorie> yofel: {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} for doing all this work
[00:17] <snele> guys just to let you know I installed wily on test partition, installed updates, added backports-landing ppa and after reboot system wont boot
[00:17] <snele> in dmesg there are sddm segfalts
[00:17] <valorie> that's not good
[00:17] <snele> i can start system with startx but its broken
[00:18] <yofel> ouch
[00:19] <yofel> is apport catching the crash at least?
[00:20] <snele> yofel: system is not booting. when I boot it with startx command plasma crashes and freezes all the time
[00:20] <snele> yofel: in dmesg it said something like this "sddm segfalt in qt5core.co"
[00:21] <snele> maybe I had no luck :)
[00:22] <snele> *i just had no luck :)
[00:22] <valorie> snele: if you try updating and full-upgrade again, does anything more happen?
[00:22] <yofel> well, it''s not like I haven't seen sddm crashes in the past. But this is too vague for debugging :/
[00:22] <snele> valorie: no.
[00:24] <yofel> well, I'm off to bed for now. I'll read in the morning if you find out more. nini
[00:25] <valorie> sweet dreams, yofel
[00:25] <snele> nite yofel
[00:25] <valorie> snele: how about sudo apt install -f
[00:26] <valorie> where -f=fix
[00:26] <snele> valorie: tried that also
[00:26] <valorie> and dpkg configure -a ?
[00:26] <snele> all packages installed without errors. i don't know what went wrong
[00:27] <valorie> bleah
[00:27] <snele> valorie: i didn't tried last one
[00:27] <valorie> well, your example is keeping me from upgrading
[00:27] <valorie> until later, at least
[00:27] <valorie> snele: that should catch any bad configs
[00:28] <snele> what i really want to test is xenial but installer crashes on dailies... :(
[00:28] <snele> valorie: I will reboot to test
[00:28] <valorie> I've not upgraded xenial either
[00:28] <valorie> yet
[01:07] <snele> valorie: I could not fix it
[01:07] <snele> I will install again wily on test partition and test again
[01:08] <snele> tomorrow
[02:25] <DarinMiller> What's the easiest way to see a log of today's discussions? Has anyone mentioned that 5.5.3 landing causes sddm to fail? This may be an upstream issue, but it showed up with landing update.
[02:26] <DarinMiller> I checked on bugs.kde.org but have yet to find a similar bug.
[02:28] <ahoneybun> DarinMiller, http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/01/12/%23kubuntu-devel.html
[02:29] <ahoneybun> today: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/01/11/%23kubuntu-devel.html
[02:29] <ahoneybun> the other one is kinda tomorrow's lol
[02:29] <DarinMiller> Cool. I am new to IRC as you probably guessed.
[02:30] <ahoneybun> it's all good, Welcome!
[02:30] <ahoneybun> we were all new once
[02:37] <_Groo_> yofel: im glad to report that the wifi problem was an old plasmashellrc
[02:38] <_Groo_> once i got rid of the crud it started working correctly
[02:45] <DarinMiller> btw, I found a "fix" for the xenial install failure.  I will post in a second for snele reference.  And to answer snele question, 16.04 also has the sddm failure.
[02:49] <DarinMiller> To fix xenial install issue (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1529450  AttributeError: 'PageKde' object has no attribute 'get_secureboot_key')
[02:53] <DarinMiller> Grab a 15.10 iso and mount it (Disk image mounter in dolphin works great).
[02:54] <DarinMiller> Copy /casper/filesystem.squashfs to a temp directory
[02:55] <DarinMiller> navigate to the temp dir and run sudo unsquashfs -x filesystem.squashfs
[02:56] <DarinMiller> renme squashfs-root directory to 15.10
[02:58] <DarinMiller> grab the same filesytem.squash file from the 16.04 and perform the same operation
[02:58] <DarinMiller> copy the /usr/lib/ubiquity/plugins/ubi-prepare.py from the 15.10 sub folder to the same loacation in the 16.04 folder.
[02:59] <DarinMiller> then run the following command on the 16.04 folder sudo mksquashfs squashfs-root filesystem.squashfs -b 1024k -comp xz -Xbcj x86 -e boot
[03:00] <DarinMiller> make a std bootable 16.04 bootable usb and copy the new filesystem.squashfs file to the /casper directory on the 16.04 iso.
[03:01] <DarinMiller> Install as usual.
[03:02] <DarinMiller> Not sure why, but when I make my squash file, it's ~300 to 400mb smaller than the original.
[03:03] <DarinMiller> Note: unsquashing and resquashing must be performed as root on the 16.04 file to maintain correction permissions.
[05:44] <soee> hiho
[05:44] <soee> why so long names: plasma-look-and-feel-org-kde-breezedark-desktop and qml-module-qtquick-controls-styles-breeze ?
[07:11] <soee> yofel: were there any important changes in sddm lately? Atm. if i logout and try to login, it fails 2 times (if i enter password i see black screen with some text for 1-2 sec. and im moved back to sddm), than third attempt works fine
[07:58] <stefanw> hey guys, i'd like to test plasma 5.5.3
[08:02] <soee> hi stefanw
[08:02] <stefanw> hi soee
[08:02] <soee> stefanw: you wan tot test it for Wily right ?
[08:03] <stefanw> yes. i am already using kubuntu-ci/unstable but would like something with less #updates per hour ;)
[08:04] <soee> well i'm not sure if it is good idea to mix kubuntu-ci/unstable with backports landing ppa
[08:04] <soee> but to test out packages you have to add: ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports-landing
[08:05] <stefanw> i would of course purge kubuntu-ci first
[08:05] <soee> it contains Plasma 5.5.3 and Frameworks 5.18
[08:05] <soee> stefanw: ok so please do it first
[08:05] <soee> than test are more accurate
[08:07] <stefanw> soee: sure
[08:55] <stefanw> soee: i'm on plasma 5.5.3 - already much better then kubuntu-ci/unstable and plasma 5.4.x
[08:55] <stefanw> soee: no issues so far
[08:56] <stefanw> s/then/than
[09:02] <soee> stefanw: no errors during upgrade etc ?
[09:04] <stefanw> no errors during upgrade
[09:04] <stefanw> it only asked me about an sddm config file that i supposedly changed and i chose to use the package-maintainer's version
[09:05] <valorie> soee: did you see the comments earlier about sddm?
[09:05] <valorie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1529450
[09:06] <valorie> noone assigned as yet
[09:06] <soee> what comments ? :)
[09:08] <valorie> snele had a bad experience as did another user who posted that bug report link
[09:08] <valorie> you asked about sddm earlier
[09:23] <soee_> yofel: so stefanw tested Plasma 5.5.3 for willy and says all went fine
[09:58] <clivejo> good morning ladies and gentlemens
[10:55] <jussi> Good Evening all
[11:18] <soee_> hiho clivejo
[11:19] <clivejo> hi soee_
[11:19] <clivejo> anything exciting with you?
[11:22] <clivejo> morning bluesabre#
[11:22] <clivejo> morning BluesKaj even
[11:23] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:23] <bluesabre> morning clivejo :)
[11:23] <BluesKaj> 'Morning clivejo
[11:24] <clivejo> sorry bluesabre, my autocomplete picked your username rather than BluesKaj
[11:25] <BluesKaj> too much blues around :-)
[11:27]  * BluesKaj has been using the same nick on irc for almost 17 yrs
[11:27] <soee_> BluesKaj: can you test Plasma 5.5.3 fir Wily ?
[11:28] <bluesabre> clivejo: np, I had a feeling that was the case
[11:28] <BluesKaj> soee_, sorry I can't . Wily is behind me now, on Xenial
[11:30] <soee_> lordievader: you have Wily ?
[11:32] <BluesKaj> I've got 3 ppas on the go in my sources.list , cli -stable, staging and landing...no breakage yet
[11:33] <BluesKaj> but I think staging is pretty inactive atm
[11:33] <soee_> landing now containts all stuff to test i think
[11:34] <clivejo> you have CI stable enanbled?
[11:35] <BluesKaj> yes
[11:35] <clivejo> :/
[11:35] <BluesKaj> I have 14.04 as my fall back OS
[11:36] <clivejo> oh ok
[11:36] <BluesKaj> clivejo, why ?
[11:37] <BluesKaj> no breakage so far now for 5 days
[11:37] <clivejo> lot of breakages due to epochs will be coming via CI
[11:38] <yofel> soee_: I don't know of any sddm changes that would make sddm fail a couple times before working. So far there only seem to be a couple people that sddm doesn't work at all for.
[11:39] <yofel> although I'm wondering if that's really sddm or qt5.5
[11:41] <soee_> brb
[11:41] <mparillo> The SDDM failure before success happens to me regularly on Manjaro on real HW, but never on Kubuntu and never in a VM. If there are versions of SW I should compare I would be happy to try.
[11:48] <lordievader> stefanw: Yes?
[11:48] <lordievader> Err, that was for soee.
[11:49] <soee> yes?
[11:49] <lordievader> 12-12:30 < soee_> lordievader: you have Wily ?
[11:49] <lordievader> Yes ;)
[11:50] <soee> lordievader: can you test Plasma 5.5.3 ?
[11:50] <lordievader> If that is in the backports-landing ppa I already did. Upgraded to that yesterday.
[11:51] <soee> lordievader: all fine ?
[11:51] <lordievader> Seemed so, installed fine, rebooted fine.
[11:51] <soee> yofel: ^ next user reports that upgrade to Plasma 5.5.3 works fine :)
[11:51] <soee> *on Wily
[11:52] <soee> brb
[11:52] <yofel> ok, so SDDM seem to be our problem child really, and that seems to be hardware dependent :S
[11:56] <clivejo> what hardware?
[11:59] <yofel> no idea, I'm just guessing what the problem could be
[11:59] <clivejo> oh I thought you had discovered something
[12:00]  * yofel wonders why he has 90 apt-check processes running
[12:00] <yofel> that thing is so broken
[12:00] <soee_> also login failing attempts are a bit random, i needed 5 attemts also of single one, or after waiting like 1 min inactive in sddm it went after first time i think
[12:07] <yofel> aaand apt-check crashed my systemd
[12:07] <yofel> *system
[12:10] <lordievader> Wut, how?
[12:10] <lordievader> By spawning too many processes?
[12:11] <yofel> yep, last I saw I had 89 processes running, which eventually spammed swap and thanks to OOM-killer being broken in current kernels the system just locked up
[12:13] <soee_> BluesKaj: can you test for me one thing on Xenial ?
[12:14] <BluesKaj> soee_, sure
[12:16] <soee_> BluesKaj: please create new user (call it test or whatever), than on your account add User Switch widget and see if this new user is listed there and you can switch to it
[12:20] <BluesKaj> soee_, I don't like fooling with user accts since I know so little about them, being the only user on this pc I've never had reason to add or change users
[12:22] <vip> hello
[12:24] <clivejo> soee_: doing that now
[12:26] <soee_> clivejo: thanks
[12:26] <clivejo> The widget just has New session
[12:27] <clivejo> I click that and it brings me back to a SDDM login
[12:27] <BluesKaj> thanks clivejo :-)
[12:27] <clivejo> Test user was there and I clicked on it and typed password, openned a new Plasma session as Test user
[12:28] <clivejo> I logged out of Test and back to login and things got a bit corrupt
[12:29] <soee_> yeah, for me when i changed sessions, sound was playing from the previous one
[12:29] <soee_> then when i get back to my account audio applet was red - some error :/
[12:29] <clivejo> oh I didnt have anything playing
[12:30] <clivejo> I mean the display is corrupt
[12:30] <clivejo> http://postimg.org/image/rm62bqafh/
[12:30] <clivejo> Letters missing, no name on the account
[12:31] <clivejo> let me play something
[12:34] <soee_> brb
[12:36] <clivejo> ok the sound stops at the login screen
[12:36] <clivejo> and resumes when I click to unlock my regular account
[12:37] <soee> and it works fine>
[12:37] <clivejo> yup
[12:37] <clivejo> song picked up where I left it
[12:38] <clivejo> anyone else had that garabled font thing?
[12:38] <clivejo> I had it for a while in wily development
[12:38] <clivejo> but it disappeared
[12:38] <clivejo> seems its back!
[12:38]  * yofel remembers seeing that once months ago
[12:39] <clivejo> sddm related?
[12:41] <yofel> no idea
[12:42] <clivejo> seems odd to have regressed after update to sddm?
[12:43] <BluesKaj> odd, just switched activities and  konversation disappeared and quit
[13:07] <soee_> Maxiride: hiho
[13:08] <soee_> Maxiride: install ppa-purge first
[13:09] <soee_> Maxiride: than add this ppa: ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports-landing (run: sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports-landing)
[13:09] <soee_> than: sudo apt update
[13:09] <soee_> sudo apt full-upgrade
[13:15] <soee_> if something goes wrong purge backports landing ppa running: sudo ppa-purge ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports-landing
[13:15] <soee_> if all will be fine, you can remove testing ppa by running: sudo apt-add-repository --remove ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports-landing
[13:15] <Maxiride> soee: ppa-purge installed and ppa added. However I'll wait this late evening for the upgrade becuase I'm currently running simulations with Mathematica for the University. So not the right moment to test new stuff :D
[13:15] <nicols> hello .... how can i help with 5.5.3? :)
[13:15] <soee_> nicols: welcome :)
[13:15] <yofel> vendors should seriously make the enter button red on keyboards
[13:15] <nicols> just add  ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports-landing and do a dist-upgrade?
[13:15] <soee_> nicols: do you have Wily running ?
[13:15] <yofel> what could possibly go wrong by pressing it? ^^
[13:15] <soee_> nicols: run: sudo apt full-upgrade
[13:15] <nicols> soee_: i have at home, at work we have lts policy so i am on 14.04 .... i will be at home in few hours
[13:15] <soee_> nicols: than please report if upgrade was smooth or you had some errors
[13:15] <soee_> nicols: sure :) when you have time
[13:15] <nicols> soee_: just to look for errors during full-upgrade?
[13:16] <soee_> nicols: yes, than test if your system works fine after upgrade
[13:16] <nicols> soee_: OK. I will report here asap :)
[13:17] <soee_> thank you
[14:10] <ovidiu-florin> I see plasma 5.5.3 for wily is in the green
[14:10] <ovidiu-florin> except 2 orange
[14:10] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: does that mean we will get it soon in backports?
[14:11] <sgclark> good morning
[14:11] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: it's already in backports-landing for wily and ~ready for testing
[14:12] <yofel> I forgot about that breeze warning though, should be looked at maybe
[14:13] <yofel> hm, and we need something that actually causes breeze-gtk to get installed
[14:40] <soee_> ovidiu-florin: if you can test 5.5.3 for Wily please do, i'm collecting testers input
[16:42] <clivejo> soee: have you a shared doc of the tester input you are collecting?
[17:04] <sgclark> seems I do not have a wily lying around, dunno if I will get to making a vm today :(
[17:06] <sgclark> pim is still a mess, I am going to try to build the whole darn thing locally...
[17:23] <nicols> soee_: apt full-upgrade done without any errors. just rebooted my machine. what/where to look ? :)
[17:58] <clivejo> BluesKaj: ping
[17:58] <BluesKaj> clivejo, pong
[17:58] <clivejo> your on xenial?
[17:58] <BluesKaj> yes
[17:59] <clivejo> open krunner and press the down arow
[18:00] <yofel> interesting
[18:00] <BluesKaj> there is no down arrow, only a red X
[18:00] <clivejo> down arrow on your keyboard
[18:00] <yofel> that should *still* have a button though
[18:01] <yofel> I wonder how many undocumented features plasma actually has
[18:01] <BluesKaj> clivejo, well, well ... :-)
[18:01] <clivejo> yofel: thats what I reckoned, but I seen the "Clear History" button and wondered what its for
[18:01] <clivejo> just asked in Plasma and they said krunner does have history!
[18:02] <clivejo> I know BluesKaj has been missing that feature :)
[18:02] <sgclark> oh, I knew thT
[18:02] <sgclark> that*
[18:02] <clivejo> but I do agree a button would be nice
[18:02] <sgclark> guess that is why I had history and no one esle did haha
[18:03] <yofel> I always thought the "clear history" thing was for the autocompletion
[18:03] <yofel> someone file a bug for bad UI design
[18:03] <BluesKaj> yeah  drop down like ordinary dialogs would be nice, but I'll settle for the down arrow
[18:03] <clivejo> yofel: are you monitoring #plasma?
[18:04] <yofel> I'm in there, but usually don't read it. /me looks
[18:04] <clivejo> mck182 is having trouble with apt-get
[18:05] <clivejo> I havent noticed that
[18:13] <nicols> hello
[18:14] <clivejo> hi nicols
[18:15] <nicols> Executable: plasmashell PID: 3050 Signal: Segmentation fault (11) Time: 12.01.2016. 19:15:08
[18:16] <nicols> plasmashel crashed 3 times in 5 minutes :(
[18:16] <yofel> if that happens when you try to update your packages, then that's known
[18:16] <yofel> but I think that's the only plasma crash we know of so far
[18:18] <nicols> i was doing apt-get update in konsole when plasmashel crashed :)
[18:18] <nicols> so, that's known bug?
[18:18] <clivejo> nicols: thats a known issue :)
[18:18] <clivejo> A "feature" for testers :P
[18:18] <nicols> ok
[18:18] <nicols> i will keep testing other stuff :)
[18:19] <clivejo> once you do an update and upgrade, it will stop
[18:19] <yofel> nicols: kde 357704
[18:20] <nicols> was that also a bug in 5.4 ?
[18:21] <clivejo> no
[18:21] <clivejo> plasma 5.5.3
[18:21] <nicols> ok
[18:22] <clivejo> if you have a KDE Bug account, you should add your name to the list
[18:23] <nicols> i have an account on https://bugs.kde.org/ ... is that it?
[18:23] <clivejo> yup
[18:24] <clivejo> just add a "Me too" on that bug report
[18:24] <clivejo> you will get status updates then
[18:25] <nicols> i added a comment ... is that the same?
[18:25] <clivejo> sgclark: can you poke that bug to confirmed?
[18:25] <clivejo> or is there a process?
[18:25] <clivejo> nicols: yup thats how you do it
[18:28] <yofel> clivejo, mck182: FYI: This was an interesting article on oom sadness: https://lwn.net/Articles/668126/
[18:29] <clivejo> Ive never have any OOM problems on Kubuntu
[18:29] <yofel> consider yourself lucky
[18:29] <clivejo> Rasbian, now thats a different story!
[18:30] <clivejo> Ive destroyed a number of SD Cards :/
[18:30] <yofel> pft, that's easy.
[18:30] <yofel> Make kswapd give up with 8G memory, that's fun
[18:32] <steps_> hi, so update was almost fine, it stucked on some icons package, until I closed all running apps. after reboot x ran into just some broken graphic mess, then after performing dpkg in recovery mode, it installed 60 more packages and now it runs but in some safe graphic mode with xrender
[18:33] <steps_> on wily
[18:34] <yofel> steps_: could you please pastebin your /var/log/apt/term.log?
[18:38] <yofel> bbl
[18:41] <clivejo> do I have a personal git on LP?
[18:41] <steps_> oh I can't even open it, kate keeps crashing
[18:41] <ovidiu-florin> soee_: can you give me the ppa?
[18:42] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: what PPA you need?
[18:42] <steps_> http://pastebin.com/ssNuUjqf
[18:43] <ovidiu-florin> backports wily testing
[18:43] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports-landing
[18:44] <clivejo> steps_: sorry I cant read that!
[18:47] <steps_> it's weird, log ends before that reboot
[19:03] <Maxiride_> good evening, just did the full upgrade to the new plasma from wily. No errors at all except for a question regarding a Xsession config file. I've left the default option [N] to keep the version already installed.
[19:08] <Maxiride_> anyway the only bug I had till now is a little glitch in the rendering of the process manager bar in my desktop panel. Looks like shadows are not rendered. Might it be related to the Xsession choose I made?
[19:11] <yofel> clivejo: yes, you do https://help.launchpad.net/Code/Git#Configuring_Git
[19:12] <clivejo> :)
[19:12] <clivejo> happy days
[19:14] <clivejo> yofel: is the core meeting a KCC one?
[19:17] <clivejo> never heard of WET time before
[19:21] <ovidiu-florin> $ c++filt _ZN6Okular20TextDocumentSettingsD0Ev@Base
[19:21] <ovidiu-florin> this did not demangle
[19:21] <yofel> remove the @Base
[19:24] <ovidiu-florin> why?
[19:24] <ovidiu-florin> it works, but why?
[19:25] <clivejo> magic
[19:25] <ovidiu-florin> black magic
[19:25]  * clivejo nods knowingly
[19:26] <yofel> the part after the @ is some kind of version suffix, I don't quite remember it's meaning
[19:27] <yofel> but as it's not part of the symbol itself, c++filt can't translate that
[19:27] <ovidiu-florin> then perhaps....
[19:27] <ovidiu-florin> $ echo  _ZN6Okular20TextDocumentSettingsD0Ev@Base | c++filt
[19:27] <ovidiu-florin> yup
[19:27] <ovidiu-florin> this works
[19:28]  * ovidiu-florin is happy he read the manpage
[19:31] <belluzj> Hello! I've just seen the blog post on Planet KDE about testing Plasma 5.5 on kubuntu Wily... how could I help?
[19:33] <Maxiride_> belluzj: welcome there. I'm not a developer but instead a tester. Anyway if you are already on wily add the ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports-landing and run an apt full-upgrade
[19:33] <clivejo> belluzj: there are a few known issues, the major one is plasmashell crashing when you do a apt-get update
[19:35] <clivejo> it is a rather annoying bug and will hpoefully be resolved soon
[19:35] <clivejo> but if you can ignore that and help test, that would be great
[19:35] <Maxiride_> clivejo: How can I find the exact package of something to properly file a bug?
[19:36] <clivejo> what bug are you filing?
[19:37] <Maxiride_> I'm having some rendering inssue with the task manager in my plasma panel. Looks like shadows are not rendered. However when going to Dolphin->Option->Help->Report a bug, in the drop down menu I can't find the Task Manager entry.
[19:37] <clivejo> the crashing plasma bug seems to be the muon updater which its supposed to notify you in the system tray
[19:38] <clivejo> plasma bugs are reoprted via bugs.kde.org
[19:38] <yofel> Maxiride_: on bugs.kde.org -> product: plasmashell, component: System Tray
[19:39] <belluzj> thanks, I'll upgrade
[19:41] <Maxiride_> yofel: yeah thanks! Found it, didn't thought it was under plasmashell.
[19:41] <Maxiride_> clivejo: yep I know, indeed the Dolphin Report a Bug window once choosen the app uses bugs.kde.org to file it
[19:48] <nicols> hmmm .... plasmashell crashed again, but this time i wasnt running update: Executable: plasmashell PID: 3199 Signal: Segmentation fault (11) Time: 12.01.2016. 20:47:50
[19:49] <yofel> please try to get a stacktrace, otherwise we can't do anything
[19:49] <nicols> does this help: http://pastebin.com/v73sA6uk
[19:50] <yofel> nicols: please at least install plasma-workspace-dbg and refresh it
[19:50] <yofel> but that's indeed something I haven't seen yet
[19:52]  * yofel wonders what's up with that half-decoded libQt5Qml.so.5 o.O
[19:52] <nicols> yofel: what do you mean with refresh? restart?
[19:52] <yofel> no, drkonqi has a refresh button for the trace
[19:53] <yofel> might be a qt crash though :/
[19:53] <yofel> nicols: you're on wily, right?
[19:53] <nicols> yes
[19:58] <yofel> hm, plasma 5.5 still can't set the master channel for the volume applet :(
[19:59] <mamarley> Yeah, for that reason I am still using KMix.
[19:59] <michelsedgh> guys is plasma 5.5 stable or i have to face many crashes? i hate crashes :D
[20:00] <Sho_> I haven't had crashes in months
[20:00] <yofel> michelsedgh: there is at least one that occurs every time apt updates its lists, so you might want to wait a bit
[20:00] <michelsedgh> Great!
[20:00] <michelsedgh> yofel: hm, is there any workaround or no? :c
[20:01] <yofel> well, uninstalling muon-notifier/plasma-discover-notifier would probably work..
[20:01] <michelsedgh> thanks :)
[20:02] <michelsedgh> and im a little noob to changing plasma. can i downgrade later?
[20:03] <nicols> i have installed plasma-workspace-dbg ... how to report properly? how to start drkonqi? (sorry, i am new with this)
[20:03] <yofel> michelsedgh: you can ppa-purge the PPA, but I don't know how well plasma will handle changed config files
[20:04] <yofel> nicols: drkonqi should auto-start when it crashes, you'll have to wait for the next crash
[20:04] <yofel> then it'll have a report button in the dialog
[20:04] <michelsedgh> thanks yofel i will wait a little bit for a more stable version :) thanks alot for your help
[20:04] <nicols> yofel: do i need kdelibs5-dbg ?
[20:05] <yofel> nicols: no, that's kde4
[20:09] <nicols> yofel: just had plasmashell crash, started crash reporting assistant and it says: "this report does not contain anough information..." ehat am i donig wrong?
[20:12] <yofel> hm, still too many symbols missing
[20:13] <yofel> nicols: does the install debug symbols button install anything more?
[20:15] <nicols> plasma-dicover-dbg  .... installing :)
[20:21] <Maxiride_> How can I deleted the theme cache?
[20:21] <Maxiride_> *delete
[20:23] <yofel> Maxiride_: that should be in /var/tmp/kdetmp-$USER
[20:23] <yofel> oops
[20:23] <yofel>  /var/tmp/kdecache-$USER
[20:24] <yofel> either there or somewhere under ~/.cache
[20:28] <Maxiride_> yofel: under  ~/.cache there is plasmashell folder, while under the kdecache just icons files.
[20:30] <Maxiride_> Elke Hein on bugs.kde.org suggested to "Try quitting plasmashell, deleting the theme cache and restarting it." to solve the rendering issue on the task manager but I've no clue how to proceed except killing plasmashell yofel
[20:30] <Maxiride_> actually is Eike xD
[20:30] <Sho_> Maxiride_: kquitapp5 plasmashell; cd $HOME/.cache; rm plasma*; sleep 2s; kstart5 plasmashell
[20:30] <yofel> quitting plasmashell is "kquitapp plasmashell", then you can restart it from krunner. But I'm not sure where the theme cache is these days
[20:32] <clivejo> when someone has time yofel or sgclark: would you teach me how to merge?
[20:32] <Maxiride_> Sho_: thanks! rm plasma* did the job. Artifacts gone for now.
[20:32] <Sho_> Maxiride_: thanks
[20:32] <Sho_> (I'm Eike)
[20:32] <Sho_> well free to mark the bug WORKSFORME then
[20:33] <yofel> clivejo: classic procedure is to take the debian package, look at the diff between that and ubuntu and apply all necessary changes to the debian package so it can be uploaded to ubuntu
[20:34] <yofel> clivejo: for kde I usually take the shortcut by just doing "git checkout kubuntu_xenial_archive; git merge origin/master"
[20:34] <yofel> and then figuring things out from there
[20:34] <yofel> and just put "Merge with debian git master" in the changelog
[20:35] <Maxiride_> Sho_: sure
[20:36] <yofel> clivejo: one note: if debian adds autopkgtests (i.e. debian/tests), you need to add "XS-Testsuite: autopkgtest" to the source section of the control file
[20:36] <yofel> look at e.g. akonadi
[20:38] <yofel> might as well do some merges considering that I'm bored..
[20:40] <yofel> clivejo: I just added the changelog merge git config to the trello card
[20:41] <nicols> yofel: http://pastebin.com/ZR7qei5X
[20:42] <yofel> nicols: that's the muon crash
[20:42] <yofel> you can recognize that by line 90
[20:46] <yofel> clivejo: before you commit the merge, I recommend reading "git diff HEAD" though
[20:46] <yofel> sometimes the merge might bring in changes you don't want - or already have in another place
[20:47] <nicols> yofel: ok
[20:47] <yofel> clivejo: e.g. debian is often missing unstable in the watch files
[20:48] <clivejo> I need to go through one
[20:48] <nicols> yofel: i will wait for another crash and comapre report ... if it is different, i'll paste it here :)
[20:48] <yofel> sure, thanks
[20:49] <clivejo> wow, senile FIX is 198
[20:49] <clivejo> havent seen it that low in ages!
[20:49] <michelsedgh> did you see the bug that plasma shortcuts change back to defult on restart/logout?
[20:49] <yofel> now that neon tries to get stuff working people care I guess
[20:50]  * yofel hasn't tried changing any shortcuts since the upgrade..
[20:50] <michelsedgh> in 5.4 i mean
[20:50] <yofel> haven't noticed that
[20:51] <clivejo> is it not due to sgclark merging and fixing stuff in apps ?
[20:51] <nicols> yofel: i think this one is different: http://pastebin.com/EyJGGrS1
[20:51] <yofel> maybe
[20:53] <Maxiride_> Thanks for the help provided =) Quitting for nighttime here. See you
[20:54] <yofel> sometimes parts of git's automatic merge behavior really drive me insane
[20:55] <clivejo> yofel: ??
[20:55] <yofel> unlike a normal commit, you can't really reset a merge without redoing it completely
[20:56] <yofel> actually, I probably just forgot one of the bazillon options
[20:56] <clivejo> what is kubuntu_unstable_utopic?
[20:56] <yofel> no idea
[20:56] <clivejo> and kubuntu_stable_utopic
[20:57] <clivejo> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/plasma/kwin.git/ ?
[20:57] <yofel> sounds like historic stuff that shouldn't exist
[20:57] <yofel> but is there because debian doesn't allow branch deletion
[20:58] <clivejo> should it not just be left behind?
[20:58] <nicols> yofel: can you decode anything from my report?
[20:58] <yofel> nicols: that's the crash you had earlier, can you report that?
[20:59] <yofel> clivejo: as I said, we can't delete stuff
[21:00] <nicols> yofel: to https://bugs.kde.org/ ?
[21:00] <yofel> the crash manager has a report button, please use that
[21:02] <nicols> ok
[21:04]  * clivejo has had to install an old theme http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Breeze+Dark+Classic+%285.4+look%29?content=174361
[21:04] <clivejo> really dont like the new themes
[21:05] <yofel> I can tolerate it. The only really bad part is the pink-ish highlight color
[21:08] <yofel> ah right, git reset --soft does what I want
[21:09] <yofel> But then doesn't add the changelog back, bah
[21:10] <clivejo> sounds too compliated for me
[21:11] <yofel> that's just for when you mess up, which to me happens all the time -.-
[21:11] <yofel> oh great, apps 15.12.1 is out
[21:11] <yofel> guess I'll bump versions as I merge
[21:13] <yofel> I wonder if the double-update protection in staging-upload still works
[21:16] <yofel> hm, actually, not much point in running the script at all
[21:17] <yofel> we need to merge, so just bumping stuff by hand will work the same
[21:30] <sgclark> yofel: clivejo: yeah I am trying to fix unstable stuff between pim builds.
[21:31] <sgclark> and yeah some of the merge failures are right baffeling, many times I cannot reproduce locally. drives me mad.
[21:32] <yofel> hm, didn't we have some way to figure out QML deps?
[21:33] <sgclark> sounds like something we discussed @ munich? don't recall the answer
[21:33] <yofel> ah, the packages have sane names. That helps a lot
[21:33] <yofel> QtQuick.Controls -> qml-module-qtquick-controls
[21:35] <nicols> i have probelm with vlc
[21:35] <nicols> lower 1/5 of video is black
[21:36] <nicols> in dragon looks ok
[21:36] <nicols> vlc is same version as in 5.4
[21:40] <yofel> wheee, akonadi-search has more missing symbols in 15.12.1
[21:41] <sgclark> hmmm I see your doing stuff, I will stop beating my head against pim...
[21:42] <yofel> I'm doing merges and updates at the same time, but this is starting to get really annoying
[21:43] <yofel> guess we'll just hope that in the end having the build-deps be >= 15.12 will be enough to make stuff work -.-
[21:55] <yofel> sgclark: is there anything left to merge in plasma? Or can we just remove the checklist from trello?
[21:56] <sgclark> yofel: looks like still quite a bit
[21:56] <yofel> hm k
[22:39] <ovidiu-florin> I can't sleep
[22:39] <ovidiu-florin> so I'm solving the symbols on okular
[22:39] <ovidiu-florin> I've done 4 so far
[22:44] <yofel> anything unclear?
[22:45] <ovidiu-florin> yofel:
[22:45] <ovidiu-florin> yes
[22:45] <ovidiu-florin> it seems to be missing the vtable for Okular::ConfigInterface
[22:46] <ovidiu-florin> search for _ZTVN6Okular15ConfigInterfaceE
[22:46] <yofel> right, it does say so
[22:46] <yofel> +#MISSING: 4:15.12.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa3# (optional)_ZTVN6Okular15ConfigInterfaceE@Base 4:14.12.0
[22:47] <yofel> so, what's the question?
[22:47] <ovidiu-florin> the class has virtual functions
[22:48] <ovidiu-florin> https://lxr.kde.org/source/kde/kdegraphics/okular/interfaces/configinterface.h
[22:48] <ovidiu-florin> so it should have a vtable
[22:49] <yofel> and are they exported by gcc as part of the public interface? (That's all the symbol files care about)
[22:50] <ovidiu-florin> they are public funtions
[22:51] <yofel> and if you build the binary, "nm -DC <libfile>" will show the symbols?
[22:51] <ovidiu-florin> what do I give as <libfile>
[22:51] <ovidiu-florin> ?
[22:52] <ovidiu-florin> and I assume I run that
[22:52] <yofel> libokularcore or how it's called
[22:52] <ovidiu-florin> in the pbuilder
[22:52] <yofel> the symbol files don't care about the specifics of the C++ API, they only care about what symbols actually get exported by g++
[22:53] <yofel> which is one reason why they're insufficient to do vtable tracking, you need at least abi-compliciance-checker for that
[22:53]  * ovidiu-florin researches "g++ export symbols"
[22:54] <yofel> it's the symbols you see if you if you run "nm -D" on a lib, like, try "nm -D /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libKF5Archive.so.5"
[22:56] <yofel> if you handle symbol files, you don't need to go into API specifics. What you need to make sure is that your file matches the auto-generated output of dpkg-gensymbols
[22:56] <yofel> that's why you see a diff in the log, it's the diff between the file in the packaging, and the auto-generated one
[22:58] <nicols> hello.... anybody with vlc player problem?
[23:01] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: and I just need to apply that diff? then why isn't this applying done automatically?
[23:02] <yofel> how would the launchpad buildds know how to commit to git?
[23:02] <yofel> also, there are cases when you need to review the diff
[23:02] <yofel> so this is a by-hand process
[23:02] <ovidiu-florin> and I'm reviewing it right now, am I not?
[23:02] <yofel> yes
[23:03] <ovidiu-florin> I don't know about symbol visibility
[23:03] <ovidiu-florin> I have to read about that
[23:03] <ovidiu-florin> but I'm too tired to focus on that level right now
[23:04] <yofel> well, library management is complicated, welcome to lib packaging
[23:04] <ovidiu-florin> and If I just patch it, then I loose the motivation to read on that
[23:04] <yofel> maybe I'm just confused because this is a bad example and I'm constantly wondering why you're putting so much time into it
[23:04] <yofel> but if it's for excercise, ok
[23:05] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: at work I'm the maintainer of our assembler
[23:05] <ovidiu-florin> this s**t is interesting to me
[23:05] <yofel> oh, cool
[23:05] <ovidiu-florin> it's just very exausting
[23:06] <yofel> the closest I get to this was probably today when I was trying to understand memory management in PHP -.-
[23:06] <ovidiu-florin> I added a new instruction in it recently, and I had to make tests for it
[23:06]  * valorie is updating to 5.5.3 in wily right now
[23:06] <ovidiu-florin> but to make sure the tests were correct I had to assemble the code by hand
[23:06] <ovidiu-florin> on paper
[23:07] <ovidiu-florin> just a bunch of 1s and 0s
[23:07] <yofel> now I'm remembering school XD
[23:07] <ovidiu-florin> lucky I had highlighters
[23:07] <ovidiu-florin> in many colors :D
[23:09] <ovidiu-florin> I'm off to bed
[23:09] <yofel> nini
[23:09] <ovidiu-florin> I'll read more tomorrow
[23:09] <ovidiu-florin> good night
[23:09] <ovidiu-florin> thank you for the explanation
[23:10] <yofel> sure, now that I know that you're interested in this I'll gladly answer questions (maybe a bit more in depth tomorrow)
[23:10] <yofel> back to my marathon
[23:10] <yofel> *merge marathon
[23:10] <valorie> reading this chan makes me so happy lately
[23:11] <nicols> this is the problem i have with vlc since installation of 5.5.3: http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i145/nbelavic/vlc-553-problem_zpsd1lo0dya.png
[23:11] <yofel> and me so tired :P
[23:11]  * valorie {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} yofel and shares the coldbrew coffee
[23:11]  * yofel hugs back
[23:11] <yofel> thanks
[23:12] <valorie> nicols: odd
[23:12] <ovidiu-florin> nicols: that also happens on current plasma
[23:12] <ovidiu-florin> let me get the version
[23:12] <valorie> ovidiu-florin: lol, you are sleep-typing?
[23:12] <nicols> ovidiu-florin: it was ok in 5.4
[23:13] <ovidiu-florin> 5.4.2
[23:13] <ovidiu-florin> but only on my wife's computer
[23:13] <ovidiu-florin> not on mine
[23:13] <yofel> hey, sleep typing is an important packager skill, otherwise a day is too short to get anything done
[23:13] <ovidiu-florin> both are system76 laptops
[23:14] <ovidiu-florin> nicols: does that also happen in dragon player?
[23:15] <valorie> lovely to see the green roll out
[23:17] <ovidiu-florin> if nicols comes back, this bug needs to be reported and investigated
[23:17] <ovidiu-florin> if it's still happening in 5.5.3
[23:17]  * ovidiu-florin is off to bed now
[23:17] <ovidiu-florin> nin
[23:22] <sgclark> hmm random failure
[23:28]  * valorie {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} sgclark too
[23:30] <sgclark> hi valorie
[23:31]  * valorie waves from soggy Black Diamond
[23:33] <sgclark> soggy here too
[23:33] <sgclark> but I love soggy, so I am happy camper
[23:34] <valorie> yes, I was just outside for a min, and it was lovely


[19:27] <amir69> hi every one
[19:28] <amir69> I have a question about the ubuntu studio installer, and what it is good for?
[19:29] <amir69> If I understand it correctly, I can have any ubuntu-distribution (I have Lubuntu), and what ubuntu-studio installer does is turning it into a "ubuntu studio"?
[19:30] <amir69> So substituting a low-latency kernel etc. setting every thing up as needed. This way I could use any ubuntu and turn it into an ubuntu studio?
[19:30] <amir69> Is this correct?
[19:31] <arraybolt3> That's pretty much it, yes.
[19:32] <arraybolt3> The Ubuntu Studio Installer should work just fine on Lubuntu, and that will add a bunch of audio and video software , low-latency kernel, etc. to it.
[19:32] <amir69> Then That is a miracle!
[19:33] <arraybolt3> It's pretty nifty :)
[19:33] <amir69> Does it work on other debian-detivatives?
[19:33] <arraybolt3> Probably not.
[19:33] <arraybolt3> It relies on the Ubuntu Studio packages in the Ubuntu archives.
[19:33] <arraybolt3> So it should work on any official Ubuntu flavor.
[19:33] <arraybolt3> It *might* work on unofficial Ubuntu derivatives like Mint but those are strictly unsupported.
[19:33] <arraybolt3> Non-Ubuntu derivatives are almost certainly not going to work.
[21:47] <SortedSand> Why does the new Ubuntu Studio installer not have the option to automatically resize windows partitions for dual boot? The only automatic option for this is installing alongside windows, which I do not want to do. If I dual boot, I can have encription on each system seperatly.
[21:47] <oerheks> boot in live mode and adjust?
[21:47] <oerheks> not really an normal issue here
[21:47] <SortedSand> I can manually adjust, but I was hoping for the automatic feature
[21:48] <oerheks> no, , how would we know *( as installer)
[21:48] <oerheks> installing side by .. is enough
[21:48] <SortedSand> No. It is not. it is very different
[21:48] <SortedSand> technically
[21:49] <SortedSand> Its enough for normal people, not for people who are tech savy and have requiremnts like I give myself
[21:49] <SortedSand> Maybe I need to move ayaw from beginenr distros. But I like Ubuntu Studio.
[21:50] <oerheks> why would tech savy dual boot ubuntu-studio?
[21:50] <SortedSand> Because my workplace in on a windows domain, and some of the software that I have to use will only function fully in Windows OS
[22:55] <SiloToch> What is the live-session password? The screen locked and asks for a password


[00:02] <robru> cyphermox, odd, disconnected the wired and now it's progressing fine. odd.
[00:44] <cyphermox> robru: ah, sorry
[00:45] <cyphermox> I'll be going back home in about 15 minutes
[00:45] <cyphermox> so in 15m + 1h I should be able to reproduce
[00:45] <cyphermox> OH
[00:46] <cyphermox> you mean the button Connect doesn't react in quantal until you unplug wired?
[00:46] <cyphermox> I think I may have seen that early on in the quantal cycle, I thought it was a bug that had been fixed since
[02:18] <robru> cyphermox, oops, was afk for a bit. home yet?
[02:27] <cyphermox> yeah
[02:44] <robru> cyphermox, ok, sorry, I'm all over the place over here ;-)
[02:45] <robru> cyphermox, so yeah, what happened was the installer wouldn't progresswhile the wired connection was connected
[02:45] <robru> cyphermox, but the really weird thing was that I specifically saw notifications saying that wired and wireless were both connected. so I'd choose my wireless and click 'connect' and I'd get the notification that it connected, but the installer just never progressed to the next step. at least not until I unplugged the wired.
[02:46] <robru> cyphermox, keep in mind this was with the quantal installer, so you may well have fixed it since;-)
[02:47] <cyphermox> no, it shouldn't happen in quantal
[02:47] <cyphermox> can you file a bug, I'll reproduce it here and see where it was fixed if at all so that it can eventually make it to quantal
[02:49] <robru> cyphermox, what should I file it against? network manager?
[02:50] <cyphermox> ubiquity
[02:51] <robru> ok
[03:09] <robru> on an unrelated note, anybody else noticing that U1 is totally broken on raring? I have two raring laptops here and neither of them can sync U1. going into U1 prefs and connecting to my account gives the helpful "IPCError" error message each time.
[03:10] <robru> "Sorry, an error has occurred and Ubuntu One needs to close." Show details... -> IPCError
[04:21] <penguin_> test
[04:21] <penguin_> does anyone use ubuntu at night?
[12:03] <doomlord> ubuntu / google nexus .. what can it do/not do
[12:04] <doomlord> ubuntu / google nexus 7 ^.. what can it do/not do
[15:11] <xnox> cyphermox: interesting. I wonder if it would progress by clicking back & forward again (but this time no wifi page would have been shown)


[07:21] <Saviq> dednick, hey, could you review https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/caching-image-provider/+merge/224415 please
[07:23] <dednick> Saviq: sure
[07:37] <Saviq> dednick, thanks
[07:42] <mzanetti> moin
[07:44] <Saviq> o/
[07:44] <Saviq> dednick, btw, https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/unity8/move-indicator-qml/+merge/223947/comments/539798
[07:44] <Saviq> dednick, the Dash one is actually a crash, probably same as testShell
[07:44] <Saviq> mzanetti, could you review https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8/is-active/+merge/223653 on this fine mornin' please?
[07:45] <mzanetti> ok
[07:50] <Saviq> ohnoes
[07:50] <Saviq> mhr3, you landed unity-api without corresponding changes to unity8 and -scopes-shell did ya?
[07:52] <mhr3> Saviq, right, but it's compatible
[07:52] <Saviq> mhr3, sure, but FTBFS :P
[07:52] <mhr3> Saviq, you can bump u8 when you implement support for customizations
[07:52] <mhr3> Saviq, what?
[07:52] <Saviq> mhr3, pure virtual
[07:52] <mhr3> oh.. mocks
[07:52] <Saviq> yup
[07:52] <mhr3> right... sorry totally forgot about that
[07:53] <mhr3> Saviq, do you want me to prep an mp?
[07:53] <Saviq> mhr3, doing, you'll review
[07:53] <mhr3> ok
[07:54] <Saviq> truth be told mocks should live in unity-api
[08:01] <Saviq> mhr3, https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity8/mock-customizations/+merge/224757
[08:02] <Saviq> brb
[08:06] <Cimi> is unity-mir Unity.Application 0.1, right?
[08:06] <mzanetti> Cimi: yes
[08:06] <Cimi> this Unity.Application comes from unity-mir
[08:06] <Cimi> ok
[08:06] <Cimi> so weird
[08:07] <mzanetti> why?
[08:07] <Cimi> I need gerry :)
[08:08] <Cimi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-welcome-wizard/+bug/1334429
[08:08] <Cimi> but we're using OSK from unity mir
[08:08] <Cimi> so I don't know why...
[08:08] <mzanetti> Cimi: I think we have an InputFilterArea in unity
[08:09] <Cimi> ah nio
[08:09] <Cimi> nevermind
[08:09] <Cimi> missed point 3
[08:18] <mzanetti> Cimi: should this probably be reassigned to the welcome wizard? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1334203
[08:19] <Cimi> mzanetti, do you have a stacktrace?
[08:19] <Cimi> doesn't crash for me
[08:19] <mzanetti> Cimi: its 100% reproducable
[08:19] <mzanetti> Cimi: did you follow the instructions in the bug precisely?
[08:19] <mzanetti> step 1 mostly
[08:19] <Cimi> I just saw it
[08:20] <Cimi> will bootstrap
[08:23] <Cimi> mzanetti, if you could share that crash log
[08:24] <Cimi> mzanetti, probably not a bug in the wizard, but a broken plugin
[08:26] <Saviq> Cimi, could you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity8/fix-card-vjournal/+merge/224727 quickly
[08:26] <Saviq> Cimi, I'd like to land this fix with the FTBFS fix
[08:26] <mhr3> Saviq, jumped the gun too soon on the ftbfs fix, should bump deps in control
[08:27] <Saviq> mhr3, mhm
[08:27] <Cimi> need to reboot
[08:27] <Cimi> bloody usb not working
[08:27] <Cimi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7710021/
[08:27] <Cimi> Saviq, ^
[08:27] <Cimi> mzanetti, ^
[08:28] <Cimi> this is my dmesg :(
[08:28] <Saviq> Cimi, yup
[08:28] <Saviq> Cimi, reboot
[08:28] <Saviq> mhr3, pushed
[08:29] <mhr3> Saviq, yep, +1
[08:29] <Cimi> Saviq, ok works, what was that?
[08:30] <mzanetti> Cimi: did you reboot the machine or the tablet?
[08:30] <Cimi> mzanetti, pc
[08:30] <mzanetti> really weird...
[08:31] <Saviq> Cimi, https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity8/fix-card-vjournal/+merge/224727
[08:31] <Cimi> Saviq, not that
[08:31] <Cimi> Saviq, the reason reboot is required
[08:31] <Saviq> Cimi, dunno, something in Ubuntu usb gets confused
[08:31] <Saviq> Cimi, adb/mtp/blah
[08:31] <Cimi> ah ok
[08:32] <Saviq> Cimi, to test the MP easily: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7710041/
[08:32] <Saviq> Cimi, and then in tryDash you'll see in trunk 3 columns on top of another
[08:32] <Cimi> ok
[08:32] <Saviq> with the fix - 3 separate columns
[08:32] <Saviq> complete review fail on my part :|
[08:33] <Saviq> Cimi, if you have doubts about width/height, Loader assumes the loaded item's dimensions, or forces its own if are explicit
[08:33] <Saviq> Cimi, so Loader { width: foo; sourceComponent: blah }
[08:34] <Cimi> \i see
[08:34] <Saviq> Cimi, basically means blah will be foo-wide, and loader will be blah-wide
[08:34] <Saviq> Cimi, FFR http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qml-qtquick-loader.html#loader-sizing-behavior
[08:39] <Cimi> Saviq, subtitle is cut at the bottom
[08:39] <Saviq> Cimi, you ACKed this fix, remember https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity8/fix-header-height/+merge/224269 ?
[08:39] <Saviq> ;)
[08:39] <Cimi> cool
[08:39] <Cimi> ok
[08:39] <Cimi> well fix works
[08:40] <Saviq> Cimi, yeah, needs tests, I know
[08:40] <Saviq> Cimi, but let's just get it in, fix is obvious
[08:44] <Cimi> mzanetti, can I bootstrap without reflashing?
[08:45] <mzanetti> Cimi: I don't know... probably you can wipe ~ and /userdata, but I never really tried it
[08:45] <mhr3> dednick, replied on the mp
[08:51] <Saviq> @unity please grap an MP to review (and claim it in the MP page when doing so), we're drowning here
[08:52] <Cimi> Saviq, I have few that can be grabbed :P
[08:52] <Saviq> when you have some time / strength to do so, of course
[08:52] <Saviq> Cimi, yup, works both ways
[08:54] <Saviq> dednick, btw, how do you find the reworked QmlPlugin.cmake? any comments, other than making it support folder hierarchies?
[08:58] <Cimi> mzanetti, yeah i can reproduce
[08:58] <mzanetti> ok
[08:58] <Cimi> mzanetti, problem I need to install dbg symbols
[08:58] <Cimi> but I have no wifi :)
[08:58] <mzanetti> :)
[08:59] <Cimi> and no rw filesystem
[08:59] <mzanetti> you'll figure a solution, I'm sure
[08:59] <Cimi> mzanetti, I'll remove the back button :)
[08:59] <mzanetti> Cimi: so the ro file system is not a problem
[08:59] <mzanetti> Cimi: I also had this when the wizard landed
[08:59] <mzanetti> and I didn't bootstrap and had a rw image
[08:59] <mhr3> Saviq, was there ever solution to :native not working on jenkins?
[09:00] <mzanetti> Cimi: I guess cleaning up every data that the welcome wizard produces would be enough
[09:01] <Saviq> mhr3, I believe they fixed it, yes
[09:01] <Cimi> mzanetti, it produces no data
[09:01] <Saviq> mhr3, bug #1322294 remains, though
[09:01] <mhr3> Saviq, not sure about that https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/unity-team-unity-scope-click-devel-utopic-amd64-ci/129/console
[09:02] <Saviq> mhr3, they did just strip :native before, maybe they reverted this
[09:02] <mhr3> right... "fixed"
[09:02] <Saviq> mhr3, or maybe they didn't "populate" all the jenkins
[09:03] <Saviq> mhr3, well, until they start x-compiling, everything's native ;)
[09:03] <mhr3> Saviq, anyway, i guess fginther will know
[09:03] <Saviq> mhr3, I *think* it was psivaa who knew about it before, too, so try with him
[09:04] <mhr3> Saviq, k, thx
[09:09] <Saviq> dednick, reviewed u-s-c menu.plugin
[09:17] <dednick> Saviq: you mean the QmlPlugin.cmake in the suru-switch branch?
[09:17] <Saviq> dednick, hm? no, the one you copied to menu.plugin
[09:18] <Saviq> dednick, "new" as in the one we have in unity8 for some time
[09:18] <Saviq> dednick, was just wondering whether we should put it in cmake-extras already or is there still work on it needed
[09:20] <dednick> Saviq: sorry, getting my branches mixed up. i meant https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/manual-qmltypes/+merge/224578
[09:20] <dednick> which is the one i copied from
[09:20] <Saviq> dednick, well, yeah
[09:20] <Saviq> dednick, that one
[09:21] <dednick> but yeah, it's good for usc. should put it in cmake-extras
[09:21] <dednick> didnt have to mod
[09:25] <mzanetti> Saviq: well, we have that commit hook... its just that noone seems to be using it
[09:25] <Saviq> mzanetti, yeah exactly...
[09:25] <mzanetti> well, I use it all the time...
[09:25] <mzanetti> and have also updated it here to check for stale tags
[09:26] <Saviq> mzanetti, well, also, commit is probably too often
[09:26] <mzanetti> works fine for me... its less than 1 sec
[09:26] <Saviq> mzanetti, yeah, but you might want to split things into several commits
[09:26] <Saviq> mzanetti, and then the hook will tell you NO
[09:26] <mzanetti> the hook doesn't disallwo committing... it just tells you: this will fail CI if you continue
[09:27] <mzanetti> and keeps a copy of the commit message so you don't have to type it again in case you decide to fix it and recommit
[09:28] <Saviq> mhm
[09:28] <Saviq> mzanetti, hmm where is it?
[09:28] <mzanetti> .bazaar/plugins
[09:31] <Saviq> mzanetti, I think we need a script in .
[09:31] <Saviq> mzanetti, that will do the checks
[09:31] <Saviq> mzanetti, and the plugin (if installed) will call it
[09:32] <Saviq> mzanetti, this way you can run it without the hook
[09:32] <mzanetti> yep, works for me
[09:32] <Saviq> like a pre_push.py
[09:33] <mzanetti> also, I'd like to have the hook more visible/easy to install
[09:34] <mzanetti> but haven't gotten a good idea for that yet
[09:34] <mzanetti> I'm sure more people would use it if they'd be aware of it
[09:34] <Saviq> mzanetti, this script in . could check for the hook
[09:34] <Saviq> mzanetti, and say "if you want this to run on commit, do foo"
[09:34] <mzanetti> yeah, sounds reasonable
[09:34] <Saviq> mzanetti, no point for it being in .bazaar, either
[09:35] <Saviq> mzanetti, we can move it to tools/
[09:35] <mzanetti> right...
[09:35] <Saviq> since you can't have a branch-local plugin
[09:35] <mzanetti> yeah, too bad...
[09:35] <mzanetti> that'd be useful
[09:36] <Saviq> ooh guess what, git does! ;P
[09:36] <mzanetti> you can?
[09:36] <mzanetti> ah
[09:36] <mzanetti> I read "it does", missed the g
[09:36] <mzanetti> of course git does
[09:36] <Saviq> ;)
[09:39] <mzanetti> Saviq: btw. when you touch this, if you can think of a better to figure the branch, one that doesn't break when we move shell.qml to another subdir :D
[09:40] <Saviq> mzanetti, that's the thing
[09:40] <Saviq> mzanetti, the hook will just check for a script in .
[09:40] <Saviq> mzanetti, if there - run it, otherwise ignore
[09:40] <Saviq> mzanetti, script with a known name
[09:40] <mzanetti> ok... it'll break when you move the script to another dir... but I guess already better than some "random" qml file of the codebase
[09:41] <Saviq> mzanetti, yeah, and we won't move the script to another dir, since we want it to be visible
[09:41] <Saviq> mzanetti, and available at your fingertips
[09:41] <mzanetti> ack
[09:48] <mzanetti> Saviq: maaan... that new-header branch develops to a beast...
[09:49] <Saviq> mzanetti, story of my life ;P
[09:49] <mzanetti> figured that we actually could get rid of the PageHeader::childItem and put the uitk's header in there...
[09:49] <mzanetti> then there's already a back button
[09:49] <mzanetti> which doesn't match design
[09:49] <Saviq> mzanetti, indeed
[09:49] <mzanetti> then it has like a thousand states I mustn't break :D
[09:50] <Saviq> mzanetti, you probably could
[09:50] <Saviq> mzanetti, since the states are meant to deal with the search entry
[09:51] <Saviq> mzanetti, which with the new header should probably behave differently
[09:51] <mzanetti> hmm... should it?
[09:51] <Saviq> mzanetti, well, ultimately we should take the behaviour from UITK
[09:51] <Saviq> mzanetti, but since it's not there yet...
[09:52] <Saviq> mzanetti, I think we should get the UITK header as is and replace its contents with {text,image}, text entry, just sliding up/down on search activation
[09:52] <Saviq> mzanetti, since the search icon doesn't make sense when the search entry is on screen
[09:52] <Saviq> mzanetti, and vice-versa
[09:53] <mzanetti> Saviq: right... that's what it does now... but it hides the back button, which is a probme
[09:53] <mzanetti> problem
[09:53] <Saviq> mzanetti, right, because it replaces the whole header from UITK
[09:53] <mzanetti> so I could obviously just leftMargin the textfield
[09:53] <mzanetti> but I fugred that wouldn't pass your review
[09:53] <Saviq> mzanetti, I mean it should be UITKHeader { contentItem: OurComponent { } }
[09:54] <Saviq> mzanetti, where OurComponent would be {text|image} + text entry
[09:54] <mzanetti> I don't think the uitk's header has such a thing
[09:54] <Saviq> it does
[09:54]  * mzanetti checks again
[09:54] <Saviq> it might be __
[09:54] <Saviq> but will be public later
[09:55] <mzanetti> I must be blind
[09:55]  * Saviq looks
[09:56] <mzanetti> ah... there's something
[09:56] <mzanetti> contentsContainer might do that
[09:56] <Saviq> yeah
[09:57] <Saviq> mzanetti, oh well, PageHeader still needs to wrap it
[09:57] <Saviq> mzanetti, because we need to add departments to it
[09:57] <mzanetti> true
[09:58] <mzanetti> also the landscape behavior would break
[09:59] <dednick> Saviq: thanks for review. pushed update.
[09:59] <Saviq> mzanetti, well, that's fine, we don't want to bring the text entry in in landscape any more
[09:59] <Saviq> mzanetti, only on search press
[10:02] <Saviq> dednick, kk
[10:05] <Saviq> dednick, hmm, I'd have left find_package(Qt5Core REQUIRED), otherwise you have no qt5_use_modules
[10:06] <Saviq> dednick, in your case it basically gets included somewhere else, but I think it's good to have the one for Core
[10:07] <dednick> Saviq: it's in the root cmake
[10:08] <dednick> Saviq: but mk
[10:08] <Saviq> dednick, yeah, I know, probably depends on how redistributable we want it to be
[10:08] <Saviq> dednick, hmm, why LGPL?
[10:08] <Saviq> dednick, you don't need LGPL for dlopening
[10:08] <dednick> Saviq: because i don't really know which one to use....
[10:09] <dednick> and the other files around seemed to use it
[10:09] <Saviq> dednick, you only need LGPL for libs that are linked against
[10:09] <dednick> Saviq: does it matter?
[10:09] <Saviq> dednick, IANAL ;)
[10:09] <Saviq> it is lesser for some reason :)
[10:09] <dednick> :)
[10:09] <Saviq> dednick, we default to GPLv3
[10:10] <Saviq> dednick, fall back to LGPLv3 when required
[10:11] <Saviq> dednick, so please make it GPL, if others are already LGPL, let's fix in another branch
[10:11] <dednick> Saviq: doing
[10:11] <Saviq> dednick, also, check what's in debian/copyright
[10:12] <Saviq> dednick, hmm it's LGPL there
[10:13] <Saviq> dednick, sorry, let's leave it be then
[10:13] <dednick> hehe
[10:13] <Saviq> dednick, and fix it across the board after verifying that's needed
[10:14] <dednick> Saviq: ok. pushed the fin_package change
[10:14] <Saviq> dednick, can't top-ack
[10:15] <Saviq> Cimi, add me to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-settings-components-team please
[10:15] <dednick> Saviq: need packaging approval?
[10:15] <Cimi> Saviq, done
[10:15] <Saviq> dednick, no, just not on the team ;)
[10:15] <dednick> since i removed the -assets package
[10:15] <Saviq> better
[10:16] <Saviq> dednick, we'll get pkg review in silo
[10:16] <dednick> Saviq: ok. thanks
[10:16] <Saviq> dednick, unless you find someone who will take a look ;)
[10:16] <Saviq> /fiid
[10:16] <Saviq> /food that is
[10:18] <Saviq> mzanetti, know what? just do the simplest transition possible for now, we'll get a proper one from UITK when it's there anyway
[10:19] <mzanetti> ack. on it :)
[10:26] <Saviq> mzanetti, thinking here...
[10:27] <mzanetti> don't :D
[10:27] <Saviq> I *know*, sorry
[10:27] <mzanetti> I'm nearly done
[10:27] <Saviq> mzanetti, we have basically two header configurations → [back], {text|image}, favourite, search
[10:28] <Saviq> back, text_entry
[10:28] <mzanetti> yep
[10:28] <Saviq> mzanetti, and if we just replace the actions in the current UITK header
[10:28] <Saviq> mzanetti, they will just appear/disappear as they do now
[10:28] <Saviq> erm
[10:28] <Saviq> I mean because there's no transitions in the UITK
[10:29] <Saviq> mzanetti, let's use two UITK headers and swap them (slide them in/out)?
[10:29] <mzanetti> phew... :)
[10:29] <mzanetti> that's what I'm doing
[10:29] <Saviq> good
[10:29] <mzanetti> or well, not really
[10:29] <mzanetti> I just attached a back button myself to the textfield
[10:30] <mzanetti> so for now it keeps behavior as it was... hope that's fine
[10:30] <mzanetti> well, you'll see in a minute
[10:30] <mzanetti> will just have to update the preview header
[10:30] <Saviq> mzanetti only problem we'll end up with the search entry *and* the search button
[10:30] <mzanetti> no
[10:30] <Saviq> in landscape?
[10:30] <mzanetti> oh... right
[10:31] <Saviq> mzanetti, I think what I'm asking will simplify this quite a bit
[10:31] <Saviq> mzanetti, like we get rid of the Narrow states in PageHeader
[10:32] <Saviq> mzanetti, anyway... I know you'll get there
[10:33]  * Saviq focuses on the cereal, or it will be keyboard food
[10:40] <Cimi> how do I write http://paste.ubuntu.com/7710506/ so that returns 0 or null when unitymenumodel is not valid?
[10:45] <Saviq> Cimi, you probably want dednick for this
[10:45] <Cimi> mzanetti, I think that is the crasher
[10:46] <mzanetti> fix it :P
[10:46] <Cimi> mzanetti, model being destroyed but property being manipulated
[10:46]  * mzanetti rewrites PageHeader.qml :/
[10:47] <mzanetti> Saviq: so in widescreen, we behave the same as in portrait, ok?
[10:48] <mzanetti> having a super long textfield
[10:48] <Saviq> mzanetti, no, make it 60GU max, falling back to 40GU in > 60GU screens
[10:48] <Saviq> mzanetti, same behavior as we have with other width-dependant things
[10:49] <mzanetti> Saviq: and the title would then stay?
[10:49] <Saviq> mzanetti, no
[10:49] <Saviq> mzanetti, replace the title with 40GU wide text entry
[10:49] <mzanetti> meaning empty space at the left of the text entry
[10:49] <Saviq> right
[10:49] <mzanetti> mhm... ok
[10:49] <Saviq> at the right
[10:49] <Saviq> I mean
[10:50] <mzanetti> oh... moving the label to left
[10:50] <mzanetti> err. the textfield
[10:50] <Saviq> | < [text entry]                            |
[10:50] <mzanetti> right
[10:50] <mzanetti> ok
[10:50] <Saviq> | < Title                               f s |
[10:51] <Saviq> two configs like that
[10:51] <mzanetti> ack
[10:51] <mzanetti> that sounds like a looong friday :D
[10:52] <Saviq> mzanetti, I really don't think it should be that complex...
[10:52] <Saviq> more red than green, at least
[10:53] <mzanetti> yep... its not too bad actually
[10:57] <Cimi> dednick, ping :)
[12:04] <dednick> Cimi: sup?
[12:16] <Cimi> dednick, I have a crash in the wizard
[12:16] <Cimi> dednick, happens with http://paste.ubuntu.com/7710506/
[12:17] <Cimi> dednick, if I am in the wifi page then I tap "back"
[12:17] <Cimi> dednick, it might be that unitymenumodel is deleted or something like that
[12:25] <dednick> Cimi: could be related to: https://code.launchpad.net/~charlesk/qmenumodel/lp-1282282-dangling-UnityMenuAction-pointer/+merge/211211
[12:33] <Cimi> can we trigger https://code.launchpad.net/~charlesk/qmenumodel/lp-1282282-dangling-UnityMenuAction-pointer/+merge/211211 ?
[12:37] <Saviq> Cimi, wdym trigger?
[12:37] <Cimi> Saviq, ci
[12:37] <Cimi> Saviq, cannot sbuild
[12:38] <Cimi> https://code.launchpad.net/~charlesk/qmenumodel/lp-1282282-dangling-UnityMenuAction-pointer/+merge/211211/comments/497978
[12:39] <Saviq> Cimi, done
[12:39] <Saviq> Cimi, it was rather old indeed
[12:45] <Saviq> xnox, hey, could you please look at qmenumodel's x-compiling? it's definitely missing :any for python, but not sure -gi and -dbus should also get :any?
[13:06] <Saviq> Cimi, reviewed infog
[13:11] <Saviq> oh wow, suggestions in gdocs
[13:12] <Saviq> handy
[13:24] <dandrader> greyback, mzanetti should we keep using this doc to track qt comp bugs? https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheets/d/1Balt7jlHQlNuf7RBuXYjnYJWaICd_wTRpSVfTYYb3cQ/edit#gid=0
[13:24] <dandrader> I think we should, so I will update it with the latest problems caused by qt 5.3 and latest mir/devel
[13:24] <greyback> dandrader: ok with me
[13:24] <cwayne> greyback: mzanetti: dandrader: do you guys have any idea when actual N7 landscape support might land?
[13:25] <greyback> cwayne: we plan within 2 weeks from now
[13:26] <cwayne> greyback: wonderful, thanks
[13:26] <greyback> dandrader: PPA in working order, patch for input crash added to Mir
[13:26] <dandrader> cwayne, we had it but qt 5.3 caused a regression on that
[13:26] <dandrader> greyback, great!
[13:27] <elopio> Saviq: in order to have a flake8 make build task, we would have to add it to build-deps, right?
[13:27] <greyback> dandrader: I want to clear the fixed bugs from that spreadsheet
[13:27] <cwayne> dah, thanks a lot qt5.3
[13:27] <dandrader> greyback, yeah. they are just polluting the view
[13:30] <Saviq> elopio, yup
[13:30] <Saviq> elopio, but since I wrote that
[13:30] <Saviq> elopio, we discussed a pre-commit check / hook that we'd add this to instead
[13:30] <Saviq> elopio, so let's leave it be for now
[13:31] <elopio> Saviq: ok. We had a problem on the toolkit adding flake8 as a build-dep because it's not on main.
[13:31] <elopio> a pre-commit check sounds good.
[13:31] <Saviq> elopio, k
[13:32] <elopio> Saviq: the branch is ready for review again, btw. Thanks for your comments.
[13:32] <Saviq> elopio, tx!
[13:42] <Cimi> Saviq, yes I copied, because I expect UITK delay things
[13:43] <Saviq> Cimi, that's not a solution I'm afraid
[13:43] <Cimi> Saviq, I can put the changes when we agree on API
[13:43] <Saviq> Cimi, if we copy it now, we'll be stuck with it forever, you know that? ;)
[13:43] <Cimi> Saviq, why?
[13:43] <Saviq> Cimi, because there will be no pressure to fix
[13:43] <Cimi> Saviq, well fix comes from our side anyway
[13:45] <elopio> Saviq: I can try to make the hook. I'll take a look at the existing one.
[13:45] <Saviq> elopio, we want to change stuff a little
[13:45] <Saviq> elopio, make a script in .
[13:45] <Saviq> elopio, that we can run manually
[13:45] <Saviq> elopio, so that it's visible
[13:46] <Saviq> elopio, and the hook would just check for that file and execute if there, ignore otherwise
[13:46] <Saviq> elopio, this way it can be used without installing the hook
[13:46] <Saviq> elopio, and hook could be reused
[13:46] <Saviq> if other projects include such a script in their root
[13:47] <Saviq> Cimi, UITK has been very receiving recently - they've opened v1.1 of the API
[13:47] <Saviq> Cimi, so please prep an MP to include the different fade modes
[13:48] <Saviq> Cimi, see https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/add-icon-source-property/+merge/224122 for how they want the new APIs put in
[14:10] <Cimi> Saviq, how shall we call that API?
[14:10] <Saviq> Cimi, mode / fadeMode
[14:10] <Cimi> Saviq, and the fade modes?
[14:10] <Saviq> Cimi, overlay, cross
[14:18] <mterry> Saviq, did you mean to abstain on the platform-api MP?
[14:25] <Cimi> Saviq, https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/card_emblems_single_container/+merge/223899 merged
[14:33] <paulliu> Are you speaking on the mumble?
[14:34] <Cimi> paulliu, yes
[14:34] <Cimi> paulliu, still talking
[14:35] <paulliu> Cimi: yes. Thanks. Now it is ok.
[14:40] <Cimi> dednick, unfortunately doesn't fix it
[14:41] <dednick> Cimi: you'll need to get me a crashdump in that case
[17:01] <fginther> dandrader, does lp:unity-system-compositor/devel-mir-next replace lp:~mir-team/unity-system-compositor/development-branch
[17:01] <dandrader> kgunn, ^^^
[17:02] <dandrader> fginther, I would say so
[17:02] <fginther> dandrader, ok, I'll go with that
[17:12] <mhall119> mhr3: ping
[17:12] <mhr3> mhall119, pong
[17:13] <mhall119> mhr3: cwayne pinged me about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntudeveloperportal/+bug/1328559
[17:13] <mhall119> the example click manifest on there uses "framework": "ubuntu-sdk-14.04-clibs",
[17:13] <mhall119> which isn't actually a framework on the phone
[17:14] <mhall119> I'm also not sure if the apparmor templates "ubuntu-scope-local-content" and "ubuntu-scope-network" exist
[17:15] <mhr3> mhall119, hm, we were updating that recently, should be fixed in latest docs
[17:15] <mhall119> latest docs package in utopic?
[17:20] <mhr3> mhall119, yep
[17:21] <mhall119> mhr3: ah, yes, looks good there, I'll update production
[17:24] <mhr3> although the whole situation is odd
[17:24] <mhr3> 14.04 docs are really for the 14.10 version, so they don't strictly apply :/
[17:25] <mhall119> mhr3: ah, right, I was only updating the 14.10 docs previously, should I replce the 14.04 docs with the new 14.10 ones, or leave them as they were?
[17:26] <mhall119> or just point to only the 14.10 docs in http://developer.ubuntu.com/scopes/api/
[17:26] <mhr3> mhall119, yea, that will probably be the best
[17:27] <mhall119> ok, I'll do that then
[17:28] <mhall119> cwayne: kicking it back to you to decide what you want to do with the rest of the bug, I made it "Won't Fix" for the devportal
[18:02] <cwayne> mhall119: so the site is going to point at the 14.10 docs now?
[18:12] <kgunn> fginther: yes, sorry bout that
[18:21] <mhall119> cwayne: already does
[18:21] <mhall119> the old URL is still up, but nothing should link to it anymore
[18:22] <mhall119> cwayne: see http://developer.ubuntu.com/scopes/api/
[18:22] <cwayne> okay, so then essentially it should be considered fixed i'd say
[18:28] <mhall119> cwayne: can I mark it fixed for savilerow too?
[18:29] <cwayne> mhall119: please do
[18:29] <mhall119> cwayne: done
[18:30] <cwayne> mhall119: <3 thanks
[21:01] <dandrader> kgunn_, do you know the situation of the "dash as an app" work?
[21:02] <dandrader> mzanetti, are you still around?


[02:18] <RichEd> hi edubunteros ... meeting delayed for a bit ... we'll probably start around :30 past the hour
[02:35] <ogra> me waves
[02:35] <RichEd> right kicking off with TECHNICAL
[02:36] <ogra> sorry, i'm a bit confused now
[02:36] <ogra> weird day
[02:36] <ogra> so, tech
[02:36] <ogra> we released tribe1 on last thursday
[02:37] <ogra> since then i have redone much of the ltsp architecture, it doesnt ues nfs anymre but nbd and uses a squashfs image instead of a plain failesystem over the network
[02:37] <ogra> all in all its booting about twice as fast now
[02:37] <RichEd> ogra: for all LTSP or just the classmate
[02:37] <highvoltage> ogra: that sounds weird (but extremely wonderful)
[02:37] <ogra> (boottime was our biggest concdern this release)
[02:37] <RichEd> good news on the half speed boot :)
[02:37] <RichEd> sorry double speed / half time :)
[02:38] <highvoltage> ogra: I never liked NFS
[02:38] <ogra> RichEd, thats ltsp only, but much of the code i write for this overlaps with the classmate
[02:38] <highvoltage> ogra: so tribe 1 already supports the nbd LTSP?
[02:38] <ogra> highvoltage, sbalneav measures 73sec vs 140sec yesterday with the first implementation
[02:38] <ogra> thats still not the end of speedups
[02:39] <ogra> we'll get to a minute or below
[02:39] <DarkSun88> Hi all
[02:39] <highvoltage> can you encrypt the filesystem?
[02:39] <ogra> yes
[02:39] <RichEd> hi DarkSun88
[02:39] <highvoltage> oh great
[02:39] <ogra> but thats not supported yet
[02:39] <ogra> needs initramfs support
[02:39] <highvoltage> well, just that it's technically possible is great
[02:39] <ogra> beyond that, we now support swapping over the network from initrmfs
[02:39] <RichEd> hi Hobbsee
[02:40] <ogra> it detects if you have less than 48M and automatically adds swapspace from the server
[02:40] <ogra> so its actually possible to boot 28M clients
[02:40] <highvoltage> geez. ltsp is maturing very fast.
[02:40] <ogra> as long as you make nbdswapd create the swapfiles in a tmpfs
[02:40] <ogra> i'll write a howto for that after or for the gutsy release
[02:41] <ogra> all the changes are *not* in tribe 1
[02:41] <ogra> they are my work of the past week ... started all right after tribe1 was out
[02:41] <Hobbsee> heya RichEd
[02:41] <highvoltage> aah. so best would be to update my sources.list to gutsy, install new ltsp-server, then do a ltsp-build-client?
[02:41] <ogra> so make sure to haave ltsp-server and ltsp-server-standalone 5.0.16 at least
[02:41] <highvoltage> righto
[02:42] <ogra> (.16 is just building, but i'd suggest to wait for it)
[02:42] <highvoltage> I'll test it and make some noise about it. this is fantastic progres indeed.
[02:42] <ogra> yeah
[02:42] <ogra> together with sbalneavs rewrite of ldm we'll have the best and fastets ltsp ever :)
[02:43] <ogra> did i mention that ldm can do unencrypted X transport now ?
[02:43] <highvoltage> and no one will ever have to use ltsp 4.2 any more
[02:43] <highvoltage> no you didn't
[02:43] <highvoltage> sbalneav mentioned that he was working on it before the summit
[02:43] <ogra> the password handling goes still through ssh, but all X traffic is unencrypted if you set LDM_DIRECTX=True
[02:43] <ogra> nah, thats from Gadi and a totally new idea
[02:44] <ogra> instead f calling ssh -X we set DISPLAY=clientip:dpy
[02:44] <ogra> so all features (localdev, sound) persist, and you have soe password security bu the same speed for X as XDMCP had
[02:45] <ogra> so nobody can complain or has to use XDMCP anymore
[02:45] <highvoltage> uhm... what does that leave then?
[02:45] <ogra> anyway, thats it so far from tech
[02:46] <highvoltage> it seems that LTSP will be just about complete
[02:46] <ogra> very technical today :)
[02:46] <ogra> highvoltage, yes, if we have the gui maintenance tools we can just lean back and tunr a screw here and there for a while
[02:47] <highvoltage> then the authentication team must just get going, so that we can have local apps too.
[02:47] <ogra> the nice thing is that the squashfs/unionfs/nbd setup opens a ton of new opportuities
[02:47] <ogra> starting from just using a liveCD squashfs instead of the client built one ... so you have a desktop kiosk ;)
[02:47] <highvoltage> yeah, you could mount over a set of applications on another nbd mount over a union based on machine
[02:48] <ogra> or instead of a tmpfs you can use a second ext2 writeable image on the server and have persistent workstations
[02:48] <ogra> there are millions of new options we can gnerate products on :)
[02:49] <ogra> i was eager to make that switch since ages but never had the balls :)
[02:49] <ogra> this time i did and t seems it turns out very well
[02:49] <ogra> so thats it about tech ... any questions ?
[02:50] <ogra> RichEd, btw, classmate is stil waiting for the wlan driver from Ben
[02:50] <RichEd> ogra: has he got it working and waiting to get it to you, or still busy ?
[02:50] <ogra> i had some apology mails from him and he knows its urgent but didnt send me anything yet
[02:51] <ogra> i dont know to be honest
[02:51] <ogra> i hope to get something soon
[02:51] <RichEd> okay ... on a related note, willvdl and I met with some Intel people today in Cape Town ... they are here for the WEF
[02:51] <ogra> nice
[02:51] <RichEd> It was (Sir) John Davies who heads up the sales side of Willie's development.
[02:52] <ogra> ah, very cool
[02:52] <RichEd> He is also head of the Intel World Ahead programme that is looking at "the next billion PC users"
[02:52] <RichEd> So they do the Classmate, and some other low spec, low energy rugged devices
[02:52] <ogra> "canonical ... the company that does business with knights" :)
[02:53] <RichEd> Another link in the Intel chain, so they will introduce me to various people on the ground.
[02:53] <ogra> great
[02:53] <RichEd> ...
[02:53] <RichEd> finished with tech ?
[02:53] <ogra> yep, unless there are open questions
[02:54] <RichEd> anyone ? questions ?
[02:54] <RichEd> Move on to Artwork then ...
[02:54] <ogra> do we have anything for art?
[02:54] <highvoltage> ogra: I'll ask you questions when I test, there's bound to be some then
[02:54] <ogra> highvoltage, right
[02:56] <RichEd> Pete is not around for art ... anyone else have anthing to raise / say ?
[02:56] <ogra> i also need to document the new stuff i guess :)
[02:56] <highvoltage> is aliasvegas still around? I haven't heard from her in a long time
[02:56] <ogra> nope, i dont think so
[02:56] <RichEd> cx33 is in and out ... not as much as usual
[02:56] <ogra> and pete wanted to cut his participation time a bit
[02:56] <RichEd> I'll clear up his and her commitment when I see him next time in #edubuntu
[02:56] <highvoltage> we didn't really have an artwork bof at the uds, did we? perhaps that is something we should re-visit at some stage.
[02:56] <highvoltage> RichEd: ok
[02:56] <ogra> well, we'Re supposed to get easy changeable artwork from ubuntu, dont we ?
[02:56] <RichEd> ken wimer has agreed to help out ...
[02:56] <RichEd> to take any suggestions or examples from us, and then make them professional for the product
[02:56] <ogra> so that would be the ubuntu art stuff with changed colors and different logo
[02:56] <ogra> i know ken is working on an easy procedure for derivatives here
[02:57] <RichEd> ogra: yes, we can vary it, but keep it within the general flavour theme
[02:57] <ogra> right
[02:57] <ogra> only ldm is a bit different, but i'll care for that and do a gdm ripoff for the art
[02:57] <RichEd> ogra: cool ... you can hack it if you want, and ken will polish the idea
[02:58] <ogra> right
[02:58] <Hobbsee> ogra: edubuntu wouldnt have use for an edubuntu-restricted-extras as ubuntu & kubuntu has, would it?  (not the manager, just a metapackage of all the extra packages for codecs, etc).   If so, the ubuntu-restricted-manager is now done sanely for multiple flavours.
[02:58] <ogra> Hobbsee, edubuntu uses ubuntu as a base ...
[02:59] <ogra> so an ubuntu-restricted-somethig will be used
[02:59] <ogra> we dont need extra packages for this
[02:59] <Hobbsee> ogra: fair enough.  wasnt sure if there were specific needs for edubuntu.  <goes back to lurking>
[02:59] <ogra> Hobbsee, there is an edubuntu-kde metapackage planned ... that should indeed depend on the KDE variant ;)
[03:00] <Hobbsee> that'd be cool
[03:00] <ogra> well i'm all for it, but am waiting for someone to take up the maintenance of that
[03:00] <ogra> we dont have many KDE peoplein edubuntu so it should be someone from the kubuntu crowd who maintais the seeds for it
[03:01] <RichEd> anything more in art then ?
[03:02] <ogra> doesnt look like
[03:02] <RichEd> Moving on to Documentation ...
[03:02] <RichEd> willvdl has some stuff to add here but he does not seem to be online atm ...
[03:02] <RichEd> ogra: has sbalneav done any more LTSP doc stuff ?
[03:02] <ogra> nope
[03:03] <RichEd> and anyone else with a doc topic ?
[03:03] <ogra> and i'm more happy having him coding on the new ldm than having him writing docs
[03:03] <RichEd> :)
[03:03] <ogra> docs are something we *can* fix out of sync ... code needs to be tested early in a release cycle
[03:04] <RichEd> okay ...
[03:04] <ogra> so dot drag him away from the code ;)
[03:04] <ogra> *dont
[03:04] <jsgotangco> +1
[03:08] <RichEd> Web Sites then ...
[03:08] <RichEd> again will has some updates ... but he is not here as above
[03:08] <ogra> pips1 and him discussed some website stuff last week iirc
[03:08] <ogra> but i wasnt following closely
[03:08] <RichEd> From my side, I am working with Gerry (the new PRO & marketing guy in Canonical) to put some generic edubuntu & ubuntu education stuff on the ubuntu.com web site
[03:08] <ogra> great
[03:08] <RichEd> Also, sort of related, I did an interview with THE Journal last week ... Technology in Higher Education
[03:08] <RichEd> Circulation of 90,000 in the US
[03:08] <RichEd> And an online version.
[03:08] <ogra> wow
[03:08] <RichEd> Also: Hello,
[03:08] <RichEd> We're reviewing Edubuntu in our next issue. So two things
[03:08] <highvoltage> there's some problem with the server atm, it needs a bit of a software update for drupal 5
[03:08] <RichEd> Kathy Ishizuka
[03:08] <RichEd> Technology Editor
[03:08] <RichEd> School Library Journal
[03:08] <highvoltage> I've been meaning to ping the sysadmins about that, will do so today/tomorrow
[03:08] <RichEd> and <quote>
[03:08] <RichEd> . Also, our reviewer is so enthusiastic about the product that we'd like to provide CDs at the American Association of School Librarians conference this October, where he will be featuring his top tech picks.

[03:08] <RichEd> So edubuntu is making some nice waves in the US ...
[03:09] <ogra> "But WOW!! What a terrific system we now have, and what a terrific job
[03:09] <ogra> you guys have done!!  UbuntuStudio's desktop is what win vista should
[03:09] <ogra> have been - brilliant and elegant.
[03:09] <ogra> "
[03:09] <RichEd> cool :)
[03:09] <ogra> "UbuntuStudio running
[03:09] <ogra> on a dual-quad xeon (8 cpu's) Intel server motherboard with 6 gb ram, 6
[03:09] <ogra> removable SATA hard disks, as an ltsp server.  The ltsp software was
[03:09] <ogra> installed following the guidance in the UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall. The
[03:09] <ogra> server is driving six high-res Neoware terminals, and I had the Rolling
[03:09] <ogra> Stones playing on the speakers at my terminal where I took the
[03:09] <ogra> screenshot. "
[03:09] <ogra> :)
[03:09] <RichEd> And this from a Canonical Partner:
[03:09] <RichEd> >>> Right now we are looking to place a server w/20 Edubuntu (for the
[03:09] <RichEd> >>> extras it provides) clients. The ultimate goal is to add 200 thin
[03:09] <RichEd> >>> clients thoughout the school.
[03:10] <ogra> wow
[03:10] <RichEd> So a good week for PRO
[03:10] <ogra> that will need a little server farm
[03:10] <highvoltage> ogra: :)
[03:10] <ogra> heh
[03:10] <RichEd> ogra: they do low spec devices specifically for Open Source, and want to put a sales bundle together for:
[03:11] <RichEd> It looks like we could set up a fairly standard package like this for
[03:11] <RichEd> schools, municipalities, internet cafes, etc.
[03:11] <RichEd> We should put a bundle together!
[03:11] <ogra> yeah
[03:11] <RichEd> http://projects.powerdeveloper.org/project/efika/338
[03:11] <ogra> well, it would be nice if i could get one of the devices in advance
[03:11] <RichEd> Okay ... Community
[03:11] <ogra> to find any possible drawbacks
[03:11] <RichEd> (ogra: I'll ask them for one)
[03:11] <ogra> great, thanlks
[03:12] <RichEd> pips1 is busy with the commuity site, and has some people contributing (like David Trask)
[03:12] <ogra> or at least they should tell me the specs, i have a ton of thin clients around here, its likely i have the one or a similar one they want to use
[03:12] <RichEd> ogra: they build the devices ... you can see specs here:
[03:12] <ogra> oh, right, i still havent pulled off the pic of my camera
[03:13] <ogra> pics
[03:13] <RichEd> http://www.genesippc.com/openclient.php
[03:13] <ogra> urgh
[03:13] <RichEd>  Specifications are as follows:
[03:13] <RichEd>     * Freescale MPC5200B PowerPC SoC up to 400MHz
[03:13] <RichEd>     * 128MB 266MHz DDR RAM
[03:13] <RichEd>     * 10/100Mbit/s Ethernet
[03:13] <RichEd>     * 2x USB ports
[03:13] <RichEd>     * 1x RS232 Serial port
[03:13] <ogra> we dont support ppc anymore
[03:13] <RichEd>     * Stereo Audio out, Microphone and Line-input
[03:13] <RichEd>     * RoHS Compliant
[03:13] <RichEd> :(
[03:13] <ogra> since edgy
[03:14] <RichEd> they put projects together to acheive aims, so perhaps they can look at this with some partners
[03:14] <ogra> we still have a ppc build but no officially supported one
[03:14] <RichEd> well we can test their device and help them iron out kinks - hopefully
[03:14] <ogra> the specs look great though
[03:14] <ogra> would make a nice ltsp setup
[03:15] <ogra> but we wouldnt be able to officially support it
[03:15] <RichEd> indeed :) looks quite neat as well
[03:15] <ogra> unless our marketing strategy changes
[03:15] <RichEd> Well they are a partner ... so maybe we can bend over a bit
[03:15] <ogra> indeed
[03:16] <RichEd> Okay last topic, Management:
[03:16] <ogra> but we dont give support for the pcc packages
[03:16] <ogra> thats the main prob
[03:16] <RichEd> From my side: I must get some projects going to help build community, as soon as I have finished the planning exercise we are busy with.
[03:16] <RichEd> I've asked people to comment on the first draft of the objectives which are here:
[03:16] <RichEd> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Education/Objectives
[03:16] <RichEd> Feel free to mail me comments / suggestions.
[03:17] <RichEd> Note that I will need to relate the objectives back to the company strategy (i.e. the ones that the paid people will commit to) ...
[03:17] <RichEd> But ideas for community goals are welcome ...
[03:17] <RichEd> back in a sec ...
[03:21] <RichEd> Anything else for today ?
[03:22] <ogra> LaserJock old me he wanted to work on the addonCD enhancements over the weekend
[03:22] <ogra> he seemed to have some concrete ideas about grouping the app istall entries
[03:22] <ogra> but he hasnt come back to me yet
[03:23] <RichEd> okay ... hopefully he will share them with us for comment
[03:24] <RichEd> anything else ?
[03:24] <ogra> nope
[03:24] <RichEd> okay ... lets wrap it up ... and let ogra make plans for sweden :)
[03:24] <ogra> heh
[03:25] <RichEd> going once ...
[03:25] <RichEd> going twice ...
[03:25] <RichEd> okay ... done ...
[03:25] <ogra> yay
[03:25] <RichEd> Thanks all, and again thanks to ogra for the LTSP improvements
[06:06] <coreymon77> man
[06:07] <coreymon77> is ther still no word about the next community council meeting?
[06:07] <coreymon77> its already halfway through the month!
[06:13] <juliux> coreymon77, check http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda for the next date
[06:16] <coreymon77> it says that it will be announced
[06:16] <coreymon77> which is kinda surprising
[06:17] <coreymon77> since there are supposed to be 2 a month and its already halfway through the month
[06:18] <coreymon77> im just hoping that it will be soon
[06:26] <dholbach> coreymon77: I asked the other CC members for a date we agree on
[06:26] <dholbach> coreymon77: it will be announced as soon as we have a suitable date
[06:26] <coreymon77> oh ya
[06:26] <coreymon77> and im in the eastern time zone
[06:27] <coreymon77> so could you possibly make it so that the time isnt rediculous for m
[06:27] <coreymon77> e
[06:27] <dholbach> I can't promise that
[06:27] <dholbach> but we'll announce shortly
[06:28] <coreymon77> could you try?
[06:28] <dholbach> write to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:34] <bashelier> hey dholbach
[06:34] <bashelier> dholbach: do you have an aproximative idea of the date ? in one week ? :)
[06:35] <dholbach> bashelier: roughly, yes
[06:35] <bashelier> rock'n'roll
[06:35] <dholbach> but I can't make promises, so please try to be patient and wait for the announce :)
[06:36] <bashelier> dholbach: I'll do, thanks :)
[10:42] <effraie> @schedule Paris
[10:42] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Paris: 14 Jun 18:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 16 Jun 19:00: Xubuntu Developers | 19 Jun 21:00: Technical Board | 20 Jun 22:00: Edubuntu | 21 Jun 20:00: Mozilla Team | 21 Jun 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team


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 Hi.
 I came here again because I thought it would be a more feasible way to be able to talk to you about a proposal I have and am talking about with Mônica and other members of the Ubuntu community these past few days.
 The proposal I have is to take the Yellow September campaign, which is organized every year here in Brazil, to a Linux distro, in this case Ubuntu.
 The complete proposal in summary would be as follows: Ubuntu, official flavors and Remixes would develop inclusive activities that encourage mutual dialogue, debate important issues such as anxiety and mental health, and also encourage mutual cooperation within and outside the community, thus helping to build healthy, receptive and welcoming environments for everyone.
 I made a mind map, which explains the proposal in a summarized way along with the objectives:
 https://matterbridge.thomas-ward.net/a5e9abf8/20210720_233616.png
 @alera_on this is not the right group/channel to post it in since this group is bridged to IRC ubuntu-quality channel.
 Sorry, I forgot about that. Besides the Off-topic group and this one, is there a group where all members of the Ubuntu community are? (re @Maik_aD: @alera_on this is not the right group/channel to post it in since this group is bridged to IRC ubuntu-quality channel.)
 not all ubuntu members are gathered online on IRC or telegram, some even aren't online at all but work behind the scenes
 so no
 Understand. (re @Maik_aD: so no)