[00:34] <RainCT> apachelogger: ok, REVU is updated
[00:36] <apachelogger> RainCT: yay, finally revu looks good in konqueror, this is ubercool, thanks a lot *hug*
[00:42] <RainCT> apachelogger: if just everything would be so easy! :)
[06:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi motus. I have a quick question about mozilla apps in ubuntu - is here ok, or is thre a better channel?
[06:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> (The question is about mozillas crash reporter, and if its shipped in Ubuntu)
[06:59] <ScottK> Kamping_Kaiser: #ubuntu-mozillateam is likely better
[07:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> ScottK: thanks, I'll give them a go.
[07:01] <dholbach> good morning
[07:35] <dholbach> geser, soren, nixternal, persia`, nhandler, jpds: around?
[07:37] <persia`> Yes.
[07:49] <soren> dholbach: Ja.
[07:50] <dholbach> one MC member to go :)
[07:50]  * dholbach keeps a couple of telephone numbers ready :)
[07:52] <dholbach> can somebody please add me to  ~ubuntu-universe-sponsors ?
[07:52] <dholbach> persia`: ^
[07:54] <persia`> In a few minutes :)
[07:54]  * geser yawns a good morning
[07:55] <dholbach> ah nice... hey geser
[07:55]  * dholbach was just about to text jpds and nixternal :-)
[08:08] <dholbach> thanks persia`
[08:08] <persia`> No problem.  You seem to get hit with expiry-while-away a lot (I remember you dropped from MOTU once for that).
[08:09] <persia`> I suspect there's a potential bug against LP :)
[08:09] <dholbach> if it's always as easy to get back as it was now, I can live with it :)
[08:59] <juanje> dholbach: Hi :-)
[08:59] <juanje> dholbach: I've been changed some stuff you told me yesterday about nautilus-md5sum package (http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/nautilus-md5sum) . Could you review it, please? ;-)
[09:00] <dholbach> juanje: in a meeting right now, but I can probably squeeze it in later
[09:01] <juanje> dholbach: thanks :-)
[09:16] <dholbach> juanje: done
[09:16] <juanje> dholbach: :-)
[09:16] <juanje> dholbach: thanks :-)
[12:05] <geser> ember: as TIL for wordpress, to you intent to merge it? Debian has a new version with several CVE mentioned in the changelog
[12:08] <ember> geser: i don't have the time right now
[12:09] <geser> will do it then if that's ok
[12:09] <ember> geser: great, thanks.
[13:24] <logari81> hi, how can I prevent pbuilder from cleaning up after a build failure, so that I can extract some debug information about the failure?
[13:31] <geser> there is an example hook which gives you a shell when a build failure occurs
[13:34] <Laney> gosh, an exciting announcement?
[13:36] <directhex> ?
[13:38] <slytherin> logari81: From where do you plan to extract the debug information?
[13:38] <slytherin> Laney: which announcement?
[13:39] <Laney> " Daniel Holbach  is collecting the last bits to announce something really exciting... I'm so excited."
[13:42] <logari81> slytherin: I just want to examine the configure script in debian/tmp/
[13:43] <slytherin> logari81: but that configure script is from your upstream source. You can examine it even outside of pbuilder.
[13:44] <geser> slytherin: I guess logari81 is interested in the configure log containing the error
[13:45] <logari81> slytherin: not really it is being rebuilt during the build... the orig package provides only the autogen.sh
[13:45] <slytherin> logari81: ahh
[13:45] <geser> logari81: install a hook to give you a shell (see /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/examples/C10shell and copy it to /usr/lib/pbuilder/hooks or your local hook dir)
[13:48] <logari81> geser: I had imagined that it would be possible over a hook but hoped for something simpler.... anyway I ll give it a try, ty
[13:55] <slytherin> How do I login to people.ubuntu.com?
[13:59] <geser> AFAIK you need to be employed by Canonical
[13:59] <slytherin> No. I can't do ssh. I can only do sftp.
[14:00] <slytherin> geser: people.ubuntu.com is accessible to all Ubuntu Members.
[14:00] <geser> perhaps on purpose (scponly)
[14:00] <slytherin> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PeopleUbuntuCom
[14:00] <soren> when was this announced, by the way?
[14:00] <geser> that's news to me. interesting
[14:00] <soren> I knew it was that way now, but I haven't seen it announced. :)
[14:00] <slytherin> I don't know. I just stumbled upon it.
[14:00] <geser> I don't remember an announcement or I missed it
[14:03] <slytherin> I was looking for some way to try building a package on a sparc machine. I thought people.ubuntu.com can help me.
[14:04] <iulian> Hmm, that's interesting.  I didn't know either.
[14:04] <ScottK> slytherin: For sparc, Ubuntuwire ought to be able to help.
[14:04] <iulian> So yeah, that's a good question.  I wonder what services are available to us.
[14:04] <slytherin> ScottK: how? Any link to some readme?
[14:05] <ScottK> slytherin: ubuntuwire.com and #ubuntuwire
[14:05] <ScottK> REVU runs on a sparc box.
[14:08] <dez> Hi, I am interested in joining the ubuntu development community. anyone could help me?
[14:08] <iulian> dez: Take a look at the /topic :)
[14:08] <dez> iulian, jejjejejejeje
[14:09] <dez> iulian: so there is no irc channel where I could as for help on this?
[14:09] <iulian> dez: Sure, this is the right channel.  Everything is explained in those wiki pages.
[14:09] <geser> sure, here if you have specific questions
[14:09] <iulian> So, questions regarding development of Ubuntu are welcomed here.
[14:10] <happyaron> Hi, I want to package a software and put it into Multimedia section, what should I put in 'Section' in 'control' file?
[14:11] <dez> iulian: I have read the wiki and found out that to apply I have to implement an app and then create a wiki, etc...
[14:11] <iulian> dez: What do you mean?
[14:11] <iulian> Ah, do you want to apply for MOTU membership?
[14:14] <dez> iulian: I will check the information at the MOTU contributing. as I am computer engineer I just want to get involved on ubuntu development, progressively I mean
[14:15] <dez> iulian: I have been using ubuntu for years and now I want to contribute directly. I just want to know what should I do...
[14:18] <slytherin> ScottK: I thought there was some general infrastructure for developers to gain access to the community supported architectures.
[14:18] <iulian> dez: That's awesome.  If you have questions, don't hesitate to ask in this channel.
[14:18] <ScottK> slytherin: Yes.  Ubuntuwire.  Canonical does not provide such a thing.
[14:18] <slytherin> happyaron: Which Multimedia section are you talking about?
[14:19] <happyaron> slytherin: it's an ogg video tool
[14:19] <slytherin> happyaron: No. I mean where did you see Multimedia section? In Synaptic?
[14:20] <happyaron> yes
[14:20] <dez> iulian: I supposse the first step is starting with bugfixing, ryt?
[14:20] <slytherin> ScottK: Thanks for info. I have asked the Debian developer for the package to check the fix on sparc. If he does not respond I will check ubuntuwire.
[14:20] <happyaron> slytherin: but I cannot push it to my PPA when I set section to 'Multimedia'
[14:21] <iulian> dez: Yea, look at bugs which have the bitesize tag set.
[14:21] <slytherin> happyaron: just check the control file for one of the packages already present in that section.
[14:21] <happyaron> okay
[14:23] <dez> iulian: is MOTU the only way to develop at Ubuntu?
[14:24] <iulian> dez: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment
[14:25] <iulian> dez: And https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers.
[14:27] <happyaron> slytherin: it seems to be graphics, thank you
[14:27] <dez> iulian: thanks
[14:31] <andol> I just got a debdiff from fetchmail bug #371072 sponsored. Now I recieve this mail http://paste.ubuntu.com/253150/ from LP regarding a fetchmail translation. Rather sure about not having any translated stuff in the debdiff. What's the deal?
[14:32] <andol> (No problem really, merely curious ^^)
[14:41] <geser> andol: it has something to do with rosetta but I don't know the details
[14:42] <andol> geser: Rosetta doing some magical stuff, which end up being tagged to the most recent update?
[14:57] <dutchie> is there a way to see what stage of review a package is at?
[15:12] <slytherin> dutchie: which package? where did you post it for review?
[15:12] <dutchie> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/suvat
[15:13] <slytherin> ttx: ping
[15:18] <ttx> slytherin: what's up ?
[15:19] <slytherin> I read your comment on maven2 spec. Considering that it is complete standalone stack and does not affect other packages, don't you think we should try to get it in karmic? We can keep aside the maven + debhelper integration for karmic +1.
[15:21] <ttx> slytherin: yes, why not... I have 0 time for that though.
[15:21] <slytherin> Ok. Just wanted clarification on your comment.
[15:22] <ttx> slytherin: if it does not update/change anything outside the maven stack...
[15:22] <slytherin> right. I will not touch other packages.
[15:22]  * ttx is looking for some stability in the java infrastructure right now :)
[15:39] <Laney> who thinks I can do some sponsoring from the train?
[15:39] <dholbach> Laney: I BELIEVE IN YOU!
[15:39] <Laney> this lag is pretty bad
[15:40] <Laney> luckily I have my PC on at home
[15:40] <Laney> byobu power!
[15:41] <dutchie> how sponsored is http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/suvat ? I'd like to see it in Karmic, but am going away tomorrow, so any work done on it has to be done today if it's going to make the freeze
[15:53] <happyaron> hi, I am packaging a ogg video tool and it says required theoraenc and theoradec, I added the build dependency of libtheora-dev, but 'configure' still says cannot found both of the two, any suggestions?
[15:54] <artfwo> happyaron, try adding libtheora-bin instead
[15:54] <happyaron> artfwo: okay
[15:55] <artfwo> but if any of theora headers are required, make sure you keep libtheora-dev as well
[15:57] <happyaron> artfwo: I've added both, but still cannot pass the check
[15:58] <jpds> happyaron: can you look at the configure source to see exactly what it's looking for?
[15:59] <happyaron> jpds: 'theoraenc' and 'theoradec'
[16:02] <artfwo> hmm, command-not-found shows that these commands can be found in 'ogmrip' package
[16:04] <happyaron> artfwo: that's a dvdripping tool
[16:05] <slytherin> happyaron: I believe there was a bug in libtheora-dev which was fixed recently.
[16:05] <happyaron> in its README it gave a link to the thoera homepage saying we can download from
[16:05] <slytherin> happyaron: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/karmic-changes/2009-August/005893.html
[16:06] <happyaron> slytherin: how to solve now?
[16:06] <happyaron> slytherin: is that released on karmic?
[16:06] <slytherin> happyaron: the bugs is fixed in karmic. Is your pbuilder updated?
[16:07] <happyaron> slytherin: no, I will try it now
[16:07] <artfwo> it was looking for theoraenc and theoradec pkgconfig libraries then!
[16:07] <happyaron> artfwo: and what to do ?
[16:07] <artfwo> install the updated library
[16:07] <slytherin> happyaron: you don't need to do anything. Simply including libtheora-dev is sufficient.
[16:08] <happyaron> okay, try now
[16:12] <artfwo> by the way, is there a way to test armel builds on i386?
[16:13] <slytherin> artfwo: test as in test after successful build?
[16:13] <artfwo> no, I have a package that fails to build on armel and I'd like to try out the fix
[16:14] <artfwo> in short, build a package in an ubuntu armel environment
[16:14] <artfwo> perhaps some virtual machines support that?
[16:15] <slytherin> artfwo: I believe qemu supports armel. so you can have a virtual armel PC.
[16:16] <artfwo> okay, will try that, thanks!
[16:17] <ximion> geser: Are you there? I have a question about your comment to my packaging of libqt4intf > http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/libqtintf4
[16:21] <happyaron> how to ask "tor" to be added to karmic? it's there in debian unstable but not in ubuntu for several releases
[16:24] <geser> ximion: yes, I'm here
[16:28] <ximion> geser: shlib-without-versioned-soname usr/lib/libqt4intf.so.1.70 libqt4intf.so How can I fix this? Only the developer could do this, I think. Is it necessary to fix to get this package into universe?
[16:31] <directhex> ximion, the tradition is that you only ship a soname'd library with a lib package
[16:31] <directhex> ximion, i.e. usr/lib/libqt4intf.so.1.70 goes in the lib package,and  libqt4intf.so into the -dev package
[16:32] <geser> ximion: yes, it's an upstream issue. It shouldn't block the inclusion into universe but it makes the maintainment of the package harder as you need control yourself if the ABI or API changed and coordinate that all packages get rebuild with the new version.
[16:34] <geser> directhex: IIRC objdump returns only SONAME libqt4intf.so in this case
[16:34] <directhex> oh
[16:34] <directhex> useless C++ nonsense
[16:34] <ximion> geser: non-dev-pkg-with-shlib-symlink => I've overwritten this error, because this is a really small pkg. A -dev package would only contain a symlink. Is this okay?
[16:37] <ximion> And another thing: The buildscript creates a library named libqt4intf.so I created a script which installs the library as libqt4intf.so.version in /usr/lib and creates a symlink for that package. The script gets the current version as parameter from the debian/rules script. Is that a usual way or should I simply install the libqt4intf.so without symlink?
[16:37] <kklimonda> hey, anyone could sponsor my sync of python-django package (bug 413658) - it enables a test suite which was requested by other developer in a MIR bug..
[16:39] <iulian> kklimonda: I'll have a look at it.
[16:39] <kklimonda> thanks
[16:40] <geser> ximion: I guess yes (re override), but I'm no expert on library packaging. Do you know http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html ?
[16:41] <ximion> geser: Yes, I read parts of it to create the package.
[16:42] <ximion> geser: The buildscript creates a library named libqt4intf.so I created a script which installs the library as libqt4intf.so.version in /usr/lib and creates a symlink for that package. The script gets the current version as parameter from the debian/rules script. Is that a usual way or should I simply install the libqt4intf.so without symlink?
[16:44] <ximion> geser: I wrote a mail to the developer's mailing list, describing the shlib-without-versioned-soname error. I hope they'll fix it!
[16:46] <geser> ximion: I'm not expert in library packaging and this gets very specific, perhaps ask the Debian people for some input in this regard
[16:48] <ximion> geser: Okay. If upstream fixes the issue there is no need for my script either, so I'll wait until I get response (or a new libqt4intf version)
[16:48] <ximion> Thank you for your help!
[16:56] <slytherin> happyaron: Looks like it was deleted by mistake from jaunty - https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tor/+publishinghistory the bug being referred is https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tor/+bug/328442 which was about removal of 0.1.x version
[16:56] <slytherin> happyaron: bug pitti on #ubuntu-devel.
[16:56] <geser> I remember a discussion on the ubuntu-devel or ubuntu-devel-discuss ML about tor
[16:57] <slytherin> geser: the bug was for removing 0.1.x version. The version that was removed is 2.x
[16:58]  * slytherin remembers how 'electric' was lost because the archive admins missed that it was updated in Ubuntu. :-(
[16:58] <geser> I don't remember the details about it but it was something about missing SRU to tor to keep in usable or similar
[16:59] <happyaron> slytherin: so, what to do?
[16:59] <happyaron> tor might be useful for users in China
[17:00] <slytherin> happyaron: first discuss with pitti on #ubuntu-devel, then file a sync request (or merge if ubuntu changes form last release are still relevant).
[17:00]  * slytherin got to go
[17:04] <geser> happyaron: have you reread the linked thread from that bug report?
[17:05]  * dutchie wants http://revu.ubuntuwire.net/p/suvat reviewed and uploaded asap, anything needed on it?
[17:06] <happyaron> geser: I am reading now but not finished
[17:10] <iulian> kklimonda: Acked.
[17:16] <happyaron> geser: read that, it said nobody to maintain it in ubuntu
[17:17] <geser> happyaron: unless this changes it's pretty unlikely to get it included back
[17:17] <happyaron> geser: but as a user, tor is necessary anyway
[17:20] <geser> happyaron: for those tor upstream provides current debs also for Ubuntu releases
[17:21] <happyaron> geser: using debian's repository might be a better choice instead
[17:23] <geser> not necessarly as the are build for the dependencies in Debian (stable or unstable) and might not match the versions available in your used Ubuntu version
[17:27] <happyaron> geser: users in some place cannot access torproject.org in fact
[17:27] <happyaron> as far as I know
[17:29] <happyaron> geser: they use tor to get rid of the limitation, but first step they cannot get tor, :(
[17:30] <geser> I guess it's forbidden in those countries, and using an Ubuntu (or Debian) package doesn't make it legal either, does it?
[17:31] <happyaron> geser: using the packages are legal, e.g. in China
[17:31] <geser> but that's a different topic. As Ubuntu was asked to remove tor by upstream as it's unmaintained and causing problems for upstream, this won't change unless someone steps up to maintain it properly
[17:32] <happyaron> geser: if an MOTU like to maintain it, can it be bring back?
[17:34] <geser> happyaron: from the look of the discussion it should be possible to get it back if a MOTU (or even an contributor who needs sponsoring) is willing to maintain it in the development version and also provide updated packages for the released versions
[17:35] <happyaron> geser: okay, I will try to do that or find somebody to do that, wish it back, really
[17:35] <happyaron> geser: when is the deadline of karmic?
[17:36] <geser> feature freeze is on August 27th, after that an exception will be needed
[17:36] <happyaron> oh
[17:36] <happyaron> thanks
[17:36] <geser> but one can maintain it a PPA till it get proberly included
[17:37] <happyaron> geser: yes, just what I am consider it now
[17:39] <geser> it might have an advantage to be included in Ubuntu, as the PPA owner has to follow only his own policy which version (and updates) will be make available to released Ubuntu versions and is not bound by the SRU policy
[17:39] <geser> ... not included in Ubuntu...
[17:42] <happyaron> geser: are you a motu?
[17:42] <geser> yes
[17:42] <dutchie> can I get someone to review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/suvat ?
[17:43] <happyaron> geser: I will try to upload it tomorrow, can you help review my package? I am a newbie on packaging
[17:43] <dutchie> I need to do anything that needs doing today, as I am going away and won't be back before the feature freeze
[17:45] <geser> happyaron: can try if my time permits. I hope you take e.g. the existing Debian packaging as a starting point and only change what's necessary, this will make it easier for you as you can work together with the Debian maintainer on the packages
[17:45] <happyaron> geser: thanks for you advice
[17:50] <geser> happyaron: if you are lucky then you don't need to modify it at all but just upload it your PPA and get it build for the Ubuntu versions you want to support and update them as necessary later
[17:51] <happyaron> geser: oh
[17:53] <geser> happyaron: the tor version that was once in Ubuntu was taken at some point from Debian unstable (like many other packages) but Ubuntu is missing manpower to look after the package (sync regularly with Debian) and provide updates for released Ubuntu versions therefore upstream asked us to remove it
[17:54] <happyaron> geser: in that bug, upsteam asked to remove the 0.1.x package and referring to the new 0.2.x, but finally ubuntu deleted all packages
[17:54] <happyaron> :(
[17:56] <geser> yes, because there was no one to look after them and to not let it happen again (e.g. Ubuntu released with 0.2.x while upstream is at 0.2.y (y >> x) and it not willing to support 0.2.x anymore)
[17:57] <dutchie> am I getting through or are people just ignoring me?
[17:58] <happyaron> geser: but if someone can catch up with the update, it can be bring back
[17:58] <geser> dutchie: I can read you :) but currently don't have time for a proper review (and others are either busy or already enjoying the weekend)
[17:58] <happyaron> right?
[17:58] <dutchie> geser: ah, ok.
[17:58] <geser> happyaron: yes
[17:59] <dutchie> I just want to make sure that it gets into karmic
[18:01] <mainbrain_> hi there
[18:02] <mainbrain> I made a package and want to know where to send it now
[18:02] <mainbrain> can someone help me out?
[18:02] <geser> !REVU
[18:03] <mainbrain> that also applies to package updates right?
[18:04] <geser> for existing packages? no, just file a bug in LP, attach the new .diff.gz and subscribe the sponsoring team
[18:04] <geser> ubuntu-universe-sponsors for packages in universe/multiverse and ubuntu-main-sponsors for packages in main
[18:04] <mainbrain> and why all the hassle with: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/HandsOn#Tutorial%202:%20Updating%20a%20Package
[18:05] <mainbrain> ubuntu's doxygen is outdated, so I did an upgrade
[18:05] <happyaron> geser: should I file a bug when uploaded the package to revu?
[18:06] <geser> happyaron: a needs-packaging bug would be fine
[18:06] <happyaron> thanks
[18:07] <mainbrain> okay, so I file a bug in LP and attach doxygen_1.5.9-0ubuntu1.diff.gz right?
[18:07] <geser> mainbrain: this shows how to update a package and in step 6 (debuild -S -sa) you build the new source package incl. the new .diff.gz you need to attach to the bug
[18:07] <geser> mainbrain: yes
[18:08] <mainbrain> thanks :)    ... now I just need to know what LP is ... google was no help
[18:08] <geser> mainbrain: LP == launchpad -> http://www.launchpad.net/
[18:08]  * norsetto guesses that automake1.10 has been obsoleted today
[18:09] <geser> mainbrain: I see that doxygen 1.5.9 is already in karmic -> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/doxygen
[18:09] <mainbrain> oh ... but why can't I see it in my synaptic?
[18:10] <geser> mainbrain: do you use already karmic (Ubuntu 9.10) or the stable version (jaunty, Ubuntu 9.04)?
[18:10]  * sebner waves at geser and norsetto :D
[18:11] <mainbrain> i'm using jaunty
[18:11] <norsetto> huhu sebner
[18:11]  * geser waves a sebner
[18:11] <geser> mainbrain: then you are asking for a backport?
[18:11] <geser> !backport
[18:11] <mainbrain> !packaging
[18:12] <mainbrain> oh :(
[18:14] <geser> sebner: are you today in sync or merge mode?
[18:15] <sebner> geser: don't know yet (just came from church), do you need anything specific?
[18:17] <geser> sebner: nothing special, just the usual ubuntu-universe-sponsors queue
[18:17] <sebner> geser: I'll take a look later =)
[18:17] <geser> perhaps also check any interesting open merges as FF is nearing irresistible
[18:20] <sebner> geser: everything \o/
[18:25] <happyaron> geser: your suggestion seems works, currently building on PPA virtual builder
[18:26] <happyaron> :(, failed
[18:27] <happyaron> pdfTex failure
[18:38] <mainbrain> Whats the naming 0ubuntu1 good for? Whats the pattern?
[18:39] <hyperair> for some reason, i received mail addressed to gpocentek. spam even.
[18:40] <geser> hyperair: check the envelope from, not the From header
[18:41] <geser> s/from/to/g
[18:41] <hyperair> envelope from?
[18:41] <hyperair> what header's that?
[18:41] <directhex> mainbrain, the bit after the dash is the debian revision number. if there's ubuntu changes, then "ubuntuX" is added where X is the ubuntu revision
[18:41] <geser> hyperair: see RFC 2822, MAIL FROM and RCPT TO
[18:41] <directhex> mainbrain, if there's no debian version, then the debian version 0 is used, hence 0ubuntu1
[18:42] <mainbrain> ahhh, thank you
[18:42] <hyperair> geser: i don't think this is something i can see in the mail headers is it? (it appeared in my gmail inbox)
[18:43] <geser> hyperair: not in most cases, but some mail servers log it in the Received headers (the RCPT TO value) and Return-Path for the MAIL FROM value
[18:43] <hyperair> hmmm
[18:45] <geser> hyperair: the correct RFC is 2821, not 2822 as I mentioned. The headers like you see them in your mail reader are already part of the mail data and can contain everything you want (even forged To: and From: headers)
[18:45] <hyperair> geser: i'm viewing the message source in thunderbird.
[18:45] <hyperair> so yes, i'm seeing them Received headers
[18:46] <hyperair> none of them show my address though
[18:46] <hyperair> except for Delivered-To
[18:47] <hyperair> seems that's not the only spam message i've gotten with that To: address
[18:47] <geser> yeah, some mail servers store it in Delivered-To, some as part of Received and others not at all
[18:47] <hyperair> ah
[18:47] <hyperair> well assuming there's no glitch anywhere, the RCPT TO had to be<EMAIL_ADDRESS>=\
[18:48] <geser> yes
[18:53] <jtimberman> I need motu advocate for some packages in REVU: chef, stompserver, merb, coderay and libsystemu-ruby, on http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/u/jtimberman (libsyntax-ruby should be removed, but won't 'nuke' when i tell it to)
[18:53] <geser> hyperair: it could also be your @ubuntu.com address in RCPT TO and forwarded later to your gmail address
[18:54] <hyperair> ah yes. of course
[18:54] <hyperair> in fact, that's probably it, since the mail has launchpad in its Received header
[18:54] <hyperair> no wait, not launchpad. canonical
[19:12] <mainbrain> bye :)  thanks for helping me out
[19:21] <micahg> does anyone here use a GUI for browsing bzr branches locally?
[19:23] <superm1> micahg, bzr-gtk ships an app called olive-gtk
[19:24] <micahg> superm1: it crashes
[19:25] <micahg> are there any other ones?
[19:25] <superm1> micahg, try running it a second time.  i see dbus errors the first time i try to launch it upon reboot too alot
[19:25] <micahg> indeed superm1
[19:25] <micahg> thanks
[19:25] <micahg> I'll have to update the bug report I filed on it a while back
[19:25] <superm1> micahg, can you subscribe me to it too?  I've been meaning to file one for ages, but never got around to it
[19:27] <micahg> I subscribed you
[19:27] <micahg> I'll have to update it later though
[19:27] <micahg> I'm at work now
[19:29] <superm1> thanks
[19:35] <micahg> superm1: do you know an easy way to import all the history from an svn repo
[19:38] <superm1> micahg, no i don't sorry.  you might want to ask the guys in #bzr or #bazaar (whichever channel they own)
[19:39] <micahg> thanks superm1
[19:47] <jbernard__> after looking through the packaging guide, I have not been able to find information on "taking an existing debian package and making the necessary changes for its inclusion in ubuntu", does something like this exist somewhere?
[19:50] <jbernard__> nevermind, im an idiot
[19:52] <directhex> jbernard__, existing debian packagea are by definition ready for inclusion in ubuntu, with few exceptions
[19:52] <Ampelbein> jbernard__: why do you say that? perhaps the guide is unclear on that specific issue and needs to be better phrased? can you tell us what exactly was it you wanted to know?
[19:56] <jbernard__> well, i suppose if i just follow the guide it will have the necessary pieces, like: changing Section from 'interpreters' to 'universe/interpreters'
[19:57] <jbernard__> and chaning the maintainer to motu
[19:57] <jbernard__> so here's my issue specifically, I uploaded a new package to debian (lua-iconv) and it currently sitting in NEW, but id like to see the package make it into karmic before the freeze
[19:59] <jbernard__> so i belive the next thing to do it to upload it to REVU
[19:59] <jbernard__> (with the above mentioned changes included)
[20:00] <jbernard__> am I on the right track here, or off in left field? :)
[20:00] <Ampelbein> jbernard__: why would you want to change the section to 'universe/*'? the categorization in main/universe is done automatically, you don't need to change the section in debian/control.
[20:00] <jbernard__> ahh
[20:00] <jbernard__> so just the 'Maintainer:' field must change?
[20:00] <jbernard__> or is that automatic as well
[20:01] <Ampelbein> jbernard__: there is a script available in the package "ubuntu-dev-tools", called update-maintainer. you can either use that or change it by hand.
[20:02] <jbernard__> perfect, are there any other required changes prior to a REVU upload?
[20:04] <Ampelbein> jbernard__: none that I know of from the top of my head
[20:05] <jbernard__> that's awesome, thanks for your help!
[20:26] <jetsaredim> anyone know why usb-creator isn't in jaunty?
[20:27] <geser> jbernard__: you want to get an existing package in Debian unstable get included in Ubuntu?
[20:31] <jbernard__> geser: is "almost" existing, its in NEW at the moment, but im afraid it may not make it into unstable before the freeze
[20:33] <geser> ah, then REVU is the right way
[21:13] <stochastic> can someone take a look at one of these?   http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/xwax  http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/xjadeo  http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/a2jmidi  http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/slv2


[12:32] <ForgeAus> ubuntu (or is it apt?) needs either/or dependancy checking (ie gnome support vs kde support, one of either, but not both...)
[12:33] <ForgeAus> as a kubuntu user to get thunderbird you download thunderbird-gnome-support??? why?
[12:35] <ForgeAus> ... I get mostly its "assumed" your using ubuntu (as in the main/default gnome-based distro) but unneccessary gnome-based packages are silly so having a either/or check or maybe use provides? ie require a thinderbird-support package, and have thunderbird-kde-support or thunderbird-gnome-support provide that?
[12:40] <LaserJock> ForgeAus: it's not really assumed, it's not always easy to have a good solution either. I believe on Lucid thunderbird-gnome-support shouldn't be installed from Kubuntu
[12:41] <ForgeAus> so then why is it a dependancy of the thunderbird package then?
[12:41] <ForgeAus> it doesn't make sense
[12:41] <LaserJock> it isn't a dependency
[12:41] <LaserJock> it's listed as a Suggests
[12:41] <LaserJock> which is much different than a Depends
[12:42] <ForgeAus> oh I did a apt-cache showpkg thunderbird and it had it as a dependancy
[12:42] <ForgeAus> Suggests is ok
[12:42] <ForgeAus> (I didn't know suggestions show up there...
[12:43] <ForgeAus> sorry ...
[12:43] <LaserJock> Depends must me installed with the package, Recommends are installed by default but can be removed, and Suggests are not installed by default
[12:44] <astraljava> ForgeAus: If you do apt-cache show thunderbird, it shows it a bit clearer IMHO.
[12:44] <ForgeAus> thx
[12:44] <ForgeAus> ahh thats what I wanted in the first place, thx :)
[12:45] <ForgeAus> now I feel like a dolt for complaining about something I was wrong about!
[12:45] <LaserJock> no problem, it happens to the best of us ;-)
[13:11] <txwikinger> kmix does not work properly
[14:21] <psusi> damn, no Keybuck atm.... I had a very productive blktrace session last night and noticed that a lot of boot time is wasted reading files less than 4kb, which ureadahead is ignoring for some reason... it lists the file in the pack, but with 0 blocks so it doesn't read them... only I can't figure out why
[14:44] <bigcx2> hey all
[14:45] <bigcx2> i'm building a test debian package with dpkg-buildpackage
[14:45] <bigcx2> my package builds fine
[14:45] <bigcx2> but how do i get a diff.gz?
[14:45] <azeem_> did you get a .dsc?
[14:45] <cjwatson> you get a .diff.gz by having an .orig.tar.gz with the correct filename in the parent directory when you start the build
[14:46] <cjwatson> which should normally just be a rename of the upstream tarball
[14:46] <cjwatson> so if they ship foo-1.0.tar.gz and you want to produce a package which has version 1.0-1, then you need foo_1.0.orig.tar.gz in the parent directory
[14:48] <bigcx2> azeem_: yes, i got a .dsc and a .changes file from the build
[14:49] <bigcx2> cjwatson: ok, let me try that
[14:57] <bigcx2> cjwatson: still no luck
[14:58] <bigcx2> i grabbed a non-debianized source package
[14:58] <bigcx2> made a orig.tar.gz tarball out of it
[14:58] <bigcx2> applied a (older debian diff.gz) to the source
[14:58] <bigcx2> made some changes in debian/
[14:59] <bigcx2> rebuilt the package
[14:59] <bigcx2> but i don't get a diff.gz
[14:59] <bigcx2> :(
[14:59] <cjwatson> you almost certainly misnamed the orig.tar.gz - it's a common problem
[14:59] <bigcx2> ok, the source directory is package-3.8.1
[14:59] <cjwatson> or else you have the wrong version number, depending on how you look at it
[15:00] <cjwatson> the name of the source directory is utterly irrelevant
[15:00] <bigcx2> and the version in the changelog is 3.8.1-0
[15:00] <bigcx2> so should my orig.tar.gz be package-3.8.1-0.tar.gz then?
[15:00] <cjwatson> no, absolutely not
[15:00] <cjwatson> it should be package_3.8.1.orig.tar.gz
[15:01] <bigcx2> that's what it is now
[15:01] <cjwatson> note the underscore, the orig, and the absence of -0
[15:01] <bigcx2> oh wait
[15:01] <bigcx2> no underscore
[15:01] <bigcx2> i had a dash
[15:01] <bigcx2> sheesh
[15:01] <cjwatson> common problem, as I say :)
[15:01] <cjwatson> you'll get used to it
[15:01] <bigcx2> k, one more try!
[15:02] <ogra> cjwatson, i always thought we should put some reminder into the message that points out that you build natively ;)
[15:03] <bigcx2> yay, it worked
[15:03] <bigcx2> !
[15:03] <bigcx2> thanks cjwatson
[15:04] <cjwatson> ogra: we do
[15:04] <cjwatson> <cjwatson@sarantium ~/man-db-2.5.7>$ debuild
[15:04] <cjwatson> This package has a Debian revision number but there does not seem to be
[15:04] <cjwatson> an appropriate original tar file or .orig directory in the parent directory;
[15:04] <cjwatson> (expected one of man-db_2.5.7.orig.tar.gz, man-db_2.5.7.orig.tar.bz2,
[15:04] <cjwatson> man-db_2.5.7.orig.tar.lzma or man-db-2.5.7.orig)
[15:04] <cjwatson> continue anyway? (y/n)
[15:04] <cjwatson> you should just use debuild not dpkg-buildpackage :)
[15:04] <bigcx2> difference being...lintian?
[15:04] <cjwatson> and even with dpkg-buildpackage you do get a message
[15:04] <cjwatson> dpkg-source: info: source format `3.0 (quilt)' discarded: no orig.tar file found
[15:05] <cjwatson> bigcx2: and various other checks and such
[15:05] <cjwatson> generally, there's no reason not to use the smarter tool
[15:05] <bigcx2> cjwatson: ok, i'll look into that, it's been a while since i built some packages
[15:05] <bigcx2> can you tell?
[15:05] <bigcx2> lol
[15:09] <bigcx2> cjwatson: how does pbuilder stack up against debuild?
[15:11] <azeem_> bigcx2: they are orthogonal
[15:12] <bigcx2> azeem_: different philosophies then? why two different tools?
[15:13] <azeem_> bigcx2: pbuilder runs something like debuild
[15:13] <azeem_> as part of what it does; you can't really compare the two
[15:14] <bigcx2> hm, ok...guess i'll have to play with 'em
[15:30] <markr_> Is there some "secret place" which doesn't contain as much comment spam as Launchpad?
[15:30] <markr_> All the "Me too"-comments drive me crazy.
[15:31] <markr_> Launchpad with an option to say whether you are just reporting a "Me too"-comment, could help against that, but I am not sure whether the users would respect it.
[15:32] <c_korn> markr_: there is a "affects me too" button
[15:32] <markr_> c_korn: yes, but the issues are all slightly different.
[15:32] <markr_> E.g. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/270798
[15:35] <markr_> In that whole thread there is not a single person who has actually posted the context source code explaining why it happens for example.
[15:35] <markr_> It is just one long list of clueless users, with the comments by those that can do something about it completely hidden by the mass.
[15:39] <seb128> does anybody know where jcastro is or could tell him I didn't get the session he asked me to add to schedule there because summit doesn't list it (yet)?
[15:44] <psusi> it isn't the "me too" that gets me.. what annoys the shit out of me is all of the "I can't believe this was not fixed for the release, this is a huge problem.  It's a shame I have to go back to the old release or another distro"
[15:44] <crimsun> welcome to my world.
[15:45] <psusi> there should be a mod button to hide such comments ;)
[15:46] <crimsun> which is what should be what's being discussed in Mangrove 3 right now
[15:47] <soren> Can someone tell me what the deal is with zeromq? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zeromq exists, suggesting it existed at some point, but the publishing history is empty. It's in Debian testing since early April.
[15:50] <jibel> psusi, that's coming soon, and bug locking when they are marked closed by a bug supervisor.
[15:51] <crimsun> soren: the existence date of the package in testing suggests that it simply didn't make it into lucid
[15:56] <soren> crimsun: ..but should have been synced for Maverick.
[15:56] <soren> crimsun: Right?
[16:02] <crimsun> soren: it doesn't seem to have been blacklisted. Oh well. Perhaps an archive admin can peer deeper?
[16:23] <cjwatson> soren: we haven't done a full new-source sync yet
[16:26] <cjwatson> soren: I've synced zeromq, since you asked so nicely :-)
[16:26] <soren> cjwatson: Yeah, I just saw :) Thanks!
[17:09]  * psusi tries to remember who he was talking to the other day about ext3 vs ext4 debootstrap speed... seems that ext4 is faster with nobarrier... slower with barriers, but it seems that by not using barriers, ext3 is not safe on disks with write caches enabled
[17:39] <psusi> basically without barriers, the disk reorders requests and combines both journal writes into one, then does the actual modification either before, or after both journal writes.. which defeats the purpose of the journal in the first place... I'm surprised that ext3 corruption on power failure is not very widespread because of this
[22:25] <Stevinko> anyone skilled regarding radeon driver that could give me a hand ?
[23:53] <kklimonda> Vala testsuite requires a running and working DBus Session Bus and for some reason it does not (all bits are there, package build-depends on dbus-x11 and make check starts dbus-daemon --session) - you can check bug 580246 for more information.. well, there isn't much yet. Does anyone have experience with running dbus in build environment?


 Is this included in 5.15.5?
 https://invent.kde.org/qt/qt/qtbase/-/merge_requests/179
 looks like it is not
 Ok, added to my TODO
 If my test build goes ok, I may add it to kinetic before before we do the .5 transition (re @mitya57: Ok, added to my TODO)
 Ok
 Knewstuff is currently borked without it :(


[02:02] <GrayMagiker> So what are people using to make custom live CDs? Specifically adding packages like build-essential? The old mount the iso and chroot way or is there a fancy tool people are using?
[02:24] <oerheks> GrayMagiker, there is cubic, https://askubuntu.com/questions/741753/how-to-use-cubic-to-create-a-custom-ubuntu-live-cd-image
[13:59] <lubot5> <Dario De La Puente> Good morning


 I'll be AFK for a lot of the night
 But if anyone wants to help with LXQt 0.15.0 it'd be appreciated
[00:16] <tsimonq2> https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/autopkgtest-cloud/+git/autopkgtest-cloud/+merge/383129 <-- now autopkgtests should be much easier
[00:17] <tsimonq2> Er, the page should actually load, heh.
[00:18] <tsimonq2> I have a yaml-cpp upload I want to do for Debian Sid and then staging of some Qt 5.14.2 modules in Debian Experimental.
[00:18] <tsimonq2> That should be about what I have time for until tomorrow morning.
[00:18] <tsimonq2> As a friendly reminder, https://notes.lubuntu.me/_gs2sNGKS9Kni5i7AzEytw is the working document. Anyone with commit access, feel free to work on it.
[00:19] <tsimonq2> It's a really nice way to get some packaging experience.
[04:08] <guiverc> I was trying to compile (for test via PPA) the floppy fix (calamares), but am getting "dh: error: unable to load addon kf5: Can't locate Debian/Debhelper/Sequence/kf5.pm in @INC (you may need to install the Debian::Debhelper::Sequence::kf5 module..."  if easy, can someone point me where I need to read please
 guiverc, I recommend you to test it with the package from unstable-ci
[08:25] <guiverc> ack @aptghetto, but how? do you mean fork as per packaging instructions?
[08:25] <guiverc> s/fork/git clone etc)
 From the live system: … `sudo add-apt-repository ppa:lubuntu-ci/unstable-ci` … `sudo apt update` … `sudo apt install calamares`
[08:28] <guiverc> that'd be far easier, but will the change made earlier today be there?  I saw the diff in the response  (https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/1393#issuecomment-621563503) but would that have been applied
 No, unfortunately it is not in the master branch
 You have to add a patch manually
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/packaging/packaging-example/
 You can use the branch ci/unstable from https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/packaging/packaging-example/
[08:36] <guiverc> thanks @aptghetto, I'll retry it.
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/calamares/ this should be the link to the repo
 And to upload the patched package to your PPA => https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/packaging/packaging-ppa/
[15:00] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T131: Version Number in Plymouth?] apt-ghetto (apt-ghetto) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T131#3449
[16:50] <wxl> if someone wants to try to make sense out of this, and follow up on it with an appropriate bug as needed, that would be great https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/dynamic-panel-width-with-task-manager/1029/3
 Also I need to ask and have forgot to until now, but on ubuntu 20.04 with Lubuntu DE installed and running the update notifier (which I set to never) alerts me every 15 minutes to an hour every day, was asking if this is either known or should I submit a report (and whrre)?
 @KaiLoveLinux [Also I need to ask and have forgot to until now, but on ubuntu 20.04 with Lubunt …], There is no build-in option to avoid update notifier to nag you
 darn, then I can botch it away
 You can deactivate it in `lxqt-config-session` autostart section
 but ubuntu will make the same as windows and install everything when you shutdown your computer unlesss you disable it too, I don't remember how
 I don't know the side eefects of that
 disabling the autostart as @aptghetto metions will avoid the pop-up
 update-notifier is shipped by canonical, we ship lubuntu-update-notifier which uses update-notifier
[16:59] <wxl> in case anyone cares, today's daily failed. looks like some breaking changes in the kernel
 @tsimonq2 [But if anyone wants to help with LXQt 0.15.0 it'd be appreciated], For 20.04 or 20.10?
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://i.imgur.com/W30uEEr.jpg
[19:56] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T131: Version Number in Plymouth?]


[02:21] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZhJ_ZR2PK8
[02:23] <snap-l> I didn't know this video existed
[02:25] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4duZjxusGM&feature=related <- also...
[02:54] <jrwren> snap-l: zoup, zuma, and zima?
[02:58] <snap-l> No zima
[02:58] <snap-l> Don't get into berry malt drinks
[03:00] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkysjcs5vFU
[03:01] <snap-l> This whole video looks like a bad LARP session
[14:53] <snap-l> Good morning
[15:01] <brousch> not really
[15:09] <snap-l> OK, have it your way, then
[15:12] <brousch> had weirdness with 11.10 today
[15:12] <brousch> i noticed on my laptop if i turn off the wireless i cannot turn it back on except by rebooting
[15:12] <brousch> on my son's i turned it off and the wireless disappeared even through a reboot
[15:14] <brousch> i plugged in an usb wifi and they both showed up and i was able to turn the built-in back on
[15:16] <snap-l> Ugh. Kernel upgrade?
[15:16] <snap-l> Also, what laptop?
[15:18] <brousch> mine is dell latitude d630, his is eeepc 901
[15:18] <brousch> they're fine as long as i don't turn off wifi
[15:27] <snap-l> Hmmm.
[15:28] <snap-l> Not sure what the deal is, but it's one of the reasons I don't like turning off wifi
[15:31] <jrwren_> https://github.com/MrMEEE/bumblebee/commit/a047be
[15:31] <jrwren_> both are ancient :p
[15:31] <jrwren_> D630... man, that is what? 5yrs old?
[15:39] <brousch> yeah, it is good enough
[15:39] <brousch> dual core, 4GB, 1440x900, intel graphics
[16:29] <jrwren_> good enough to do what with?
[16:29] <jrwren_> all depends on use case.
[16:56] <brousch> jrwren_: i got mine years ago after i saw you say how much you loved yours
[17:28] <jrwren_> brousch: my dell?
[17:29] <jrwren_> my D830 was pretty nice, until I split the mobo on it.
[17:29] <jrwren_> but it is easy to work on too, so I ebay bought a new mobo and my mom uses it now.
[17:32] <brousch> close enough
[18:10] <snap-l> mobo splittin
[18:44] <rick_h> ugh, back
[18:44] <rick_h> did I miss anything exciting?
[18:45] <snap-l> Bobby told Sally that he was really Sally's long lost lover Bart's twin brother
[18:45] <snap-l> And they stole the Prometheus disc from Robert Scorpio
[18:46] <rick_h> oooh, wow
[18:46] <rick_h> can't believe I missed that
[19:40] <snap-l> Pbbbth
[19:40] <snap-l> Just moved an air conditioner from JoDee's dad's place.
[19:40] <jjesse> sounds like a lot of work
[19:41] <snap-l> It wasn't that much work, just heavy.
[19:42] <jjesse> i spent all afternoon yesterday raking leaves
[19:43] <jjesse> only to have my son say after church "wow looks like we need to rake the backyard"
[19:45] <snap-l> brousch: CDs are in the mail.
[19:45] <snap-l> Enjoy. :)
[20:27] <jjesse> in the documentation for a security product it states "we only support the password of changeit as the password for the certificate store"
[20:27]  * jjesse smashes head against desk
[20:34] <snap-l> seriously?
[20:34] <jjesse> oh yes
[20:35] <snap-l> jjesse: Is it Java based?
[20:35] <jjesse> yes
[20:35] <snap-l> I think that's default password for all Java cert stores
[20:35] <jjesse> couldn't remember if i set the password during the install
[20:35] <jjesse> so i was trying my demo passwords and it was failing
[20:35] <jjesse> so looked up the doc and facepalmed
[20:36] <snap-l> Look on the bright side: at least if you forget, you'll be able to find it in Google.
[20:36] <snap-l> And isn't that piece of pind worth it?
[20:36] <jjesse> basically
[20:38] <snap-l> and hey, it's only the certificate store. What's the worst that could happen? :)
[20:38] <jjesse> nice
[20:38] <jjesse> i don't understand things
[20:40] <snap-l> What, default and well-known password for secure places like certificate stores?
[20:40] <jjesse> i don't understand how a security company can release a security product that only allows 1 well published password
[20:40] <jjesse> unless that's a feature of java?
[20:41] <snap-l> Last I checked, Java wasn't gunning for PHP
[21:24] <snap-l> Off to rake the leaves.
[21:33] <_stink_> damn, i need to do that too.
[21:49]  * rick_h pretends there are no leaves
[22:17] <brousch> my back yard is a solid carpet of maple and oak leaves
[22:38] <snap-l> I think the next time I feel like I'm in the doldrums, I need to just go outside and either do yardwork or run around the park down the street
[22:38] <snap-l> because man, I feel so content to be in my own skin now.


[03:43] <waltman> MutantTurkey: I don't know that they're mine to give away, but you're welcome to come in and see what we have.
[03:44] <MutantTurkey> okay great
[03:44] <MutantTurkey> I'll be around next week
[03:44] <MutantTurkey> going skiing at shawnee tomorrow
[03:45] <waltman> have fun
[03:46] <waltman> You should go down the mountain in the burger suit!
[03:46] <jthan> wooo
[03:47] <MutantTurkey> thanks
[03:55] <MutantTurkey> whut
[03:55] <MutantTurkey> thinks my irc client just tried to upload a meme to ssweeny over the irc...
[03:57]  * ssweeny agrees
[03:57] <MutantTurkey> how...
[03:57] <MutantTurkey> I am lost
[03:57] <MutantTurkey> for words
[03:57] <ssweeny> i'm sorry MutantTurkey but i don't know you well enough to accept your files
[03:58] <MutantTurkey> lol
[03:58] <MutantTurkey> I don't even know how I did it
[03:58] <MutantTurkey> I didn't even know konversation did it
[03:58] <MutantTurkey> more importantly, how does that even work over irc?
[03:58]  * MutantTurkey must have dragged and dropped by accident onto the window
[04:01] <jthan> MutantTurkey: using kde these days!?
[04:01] <MutantTurkey> No, just TDE
[04:01] <MutantTurkey> I played around with 4.8 and it doesn't fit my needs.
[04:02] <jthan> i see.
[04:03] <MutantTurkey> Do you use it?
[04:03] <jthan> No. I played with it at one point for a little while
[04:03] <MutantTurkey> 4.8 had no quirks or anything, it was quite smooth. I found myself much less productive with it.
[04:03] <MutantTurkey> Gnome3 is a usability nightmare as well as Unity.
[04:04] <jthan> I am upset with the state of all desktop environments available at this point :-p
[04:04] <MutantTurkey> unfortunately they haven't realized that 99% of people don't use a tablet device to work with linux
[04:04] <MutantTurkey> jthan: I am hoping TDE to be the solution
[04:04] <MutantTurkey> XFCE is also a longterm (sane) solution
[04:04] <jthan> Yes. I use xfce now
[04:04] <jthan> well.. "now"
[04:04] <MutantTurkey> It is a bit basic for my needs
[04:04] <jthan> I have for the past year and a half
[04:05] <MutantTurkey> I find thunar to be crippling
[04:05] <MutantTurkey> basically it's just a rip of nautilus as I see it. ( which sucks too)
[04:05] <MutantTurkey> but, overall it is nice
[04:05] <MutantTurkey> the window manager is fantastic - probably my favorite
[04:08] <jthan> I am so discontent with the whole kde/gnome situation that I pretty much have resorted to using Windows more often on my desktop machine.  . . .
[04:09] <Sadin> .me yawns
[04:14] <MutantTurkey> Trinity is my choice now
[04:46] <InHisName> If one dip in Unity isn't good enough, try 3 dips into trinity !
[04:46] <waltman> what's Trinity?
[05:06] <MutantTurkey> Trinity is a continuation of the KDE3.5 series
[05:07] <MutantTurkey> 3 point releases past the last KDE release, about 4 years running.
[05:07] <MutantTurkey> It provides a traditional desktop oriented towards people using the Keyboard and Mouse HCI model
[05:07] <waltman> ah
[05:07] <MutantTurkey> yep
[05:07] <waltman> never liked kde much, personally. it reminded me too much of windows.
[05:07] <MutantTurkey> KDE3 I never even used until I found trinity -  I love it.
[05:08] <MutantTurkey> I don't see windows in any of the environments ( i dunno, I havent used windows in some time either )
[10:37] <JonathanD> hi
[10:42] <rmg51> hi
[10:42] <rmg51> Morning
[10:48] <JonathanD> Morning rmg51.
[10:48] <rmg51> o/
[10:48] <JonathanD> Happy Friday.
[14:18] <ChinnoDog> friday++
[15:11] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: what's new at hacdc?
[15:12] <ChinnoDog> jedijf: I don't know. I signed up and haven't been back since. lol. Sad, right?
[15:12] <ChinnoDog> I need to get Kubuntu installed and configured the way I want on my laptop and then I will go
[15:18] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: i did the same with planet fitness, but got there this week
[15:18] <jedijf> also a hive76 member that rarely goes
[15:19] <ChinnoDog> Yea, that is bad
[15:19] <JonathanD> jedijf: who needs a gym if you go to hive...
[15:19] <ChinnoDog> I am going tomorrow though
[15:19] <JonathanD> Just skip the elevator.
[15:19] <ChinnoDog> Ham class!
[15:19] <jedijf> me tries to make Monday Monthly Microcontroller Madness at least
[15:19] <jedijf>  /doh
[15:20] <ChinnoDog> ham radio, not ham and bacon
[15:20] <jedijf> JonathanD: i need a gym to work up to the stairs at hive
[15:20] <JonathanD> jedijf: heh :)
[15:20] <JonathanD> jedijf: stairs are like a free gym.
[15:20] <ChinnoDog> I wish I had a deceased family member with a call sign so I could claim it
[15:20] <JonathanD> I have 8 flights to my office every morning, thats my gym.
[15:21] <jedijf> hmm
[15:25] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: let me know how the ham thing goes, someone at hive is interested and we have ham people at pacs
[15:26] <JonathanD> Need ham booth at fosscon kthx.
[15:26] <jedijf> JonathanD: that's very doable
[15:26] <JonathanD> jedijf: also a bacon booth, while we're at it. Next to the ham booth.
[15:26] <ChinnoDog> jedijf: ok. it is two Saturdays in a row; tomorrow and next Saturday.
[15:26] <jedijf> remind me or rmg51 in a week and we'll put people in touch with you from pacs
[15:27] <ChinnoDog> http://www.hacdc.org/content/amateur-license-test-preparation-class
[15:27] <PennBot> Title: Amateur License Test Preparation Class | HacDC (at www.hacdc.org)
[15:27] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: yeah, find out if hac is planning to venture up to HOPE9 too
[15:27] <JonathanD> jedijf: will do.
[15:28] <JonathanD> jedijf: maybe an intro level talk, too.
[15:28] <ChinnoDog> The test is the week after but I won't be in town. Taking the test March 10
[15:28] <jedijf> JonathanD: a talk should be cool too - foss ham apps - digital ham
[15:29]  * jedijf was a cb'er in the 70's
[15:30] <jedijf> cq cq cq dx.....
[16:43] <waltman> jedijf: 10-4 good buddy!
[16:45] <andrewPCT> meh
[16:45] <andrew> today could be better
[17:51] <ChinnoDog> Why do I keep running out of memory?!
[17:51] <ChinnoDog> I have lots of memory but my computer grinds to a stop with tons of disk activity until I free a few megabytes by closing chrome tabs
[17:51] <pleia2> crashed chrome tabs sometimes make my other system go wonky
[17:52] <pleia2> (but everything makes that machine go wonky, I really need to figure out my graphics card problem, but it feels so much like work...)
[17:53] <ChinnoDog> http://pastebin.com/0nS7PY2D
[17:53] <PennBot> Title: [Bash] Low on memory? - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
[17:53] <ChinnoDog> they aren't crashing
[17:53] <ChinnoDog> they just seem to take up a lot of memory
[17:53] <waltman> Is there the equivalent of File/Open in Chrome? I was trying to figure out how to open a local index.html, but finally gave up and went with Firefox instead.
[17:53] <pleia2> tabs do that
[17:54] <ChinnoDog> I have a script that calculates memory usage and says it is at 3.2gb. I have 4g of physical memory.
[17:54] <pleia2> waltman: just type it in the addressbar? file:///home/waltman/index.html
[17:54] <pleia2> ChinnoDog: how many tabs do you have?
[17:54] <ChinnoDog> Right now I have 14 open
[17:54] <ChinnoDog> chrome is using 2.2gb of memory
[17:54] <pleia2> that's not very many
[17:54] <ChinnoDog> I know!
[17:54] <waltman> Sure, I could do that, but a) I never remember how many /'s I need, and b) I wanted to use a gui to select the file, which was about 6 levels down.
[17:55] <ChinnoDog> It seems to be shrinking the longer my machine runs too
[17:55] <waltman> Chrome has a tendency to create zombies too, at least on my box.
[17:55] <pleia2> waltman: if it helps your brain, it's just like http://, but file:// and then the path, which would include starting with another /
[17:55] <pleia2> so, three
[17:56] <ChinnoDog> http://pastebin.com/bHh8XkPn
[17:56] <PennBot> Title: [Bash] Memory Usage - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
[17:56] <ChinnoDog> Thats how it breaks down
[17:57] <waltman> pleia2: A quick ddg tells me that ctrl-o works!
[17:57] <ChinnoDog> I have lots of memories but Ubuntu hits the limit and pages anyway
[17:57] <ChinnoDog> my swappiness is set to 10
[17:57] <pleia2> waltman: yay!
[17:57] <pleia2> ChinnoDog: I vote not using proprietary crappy browsers
[17:57] <pleia2> it's fine when it works, but you can't really debug it
[17:59] <ChinnoDog> I don't think this has anything to do with browsers
[17:59] <ChinnoDog> It has to do with memory allocation. I am aware Chrome is using a lot of memory
[17:59] <ChinnoDog> but my system memory usage is still reasonable
[17:59] <ChinnoDog> I have a bunch of plugins installed. some of them are probably using memory on each process
[18:00] <waltman> ChinnoDog: how many tabs do you have open?
[18:00] <waltman> oh wait, you answered that already :)
[18:00] <ChinnoDog> 14
[18:00] <waltman> a little swapping is generally a good thing imho
[18:00] <ChinnoDog> Even if I had 300 open though I don't think that alone is a problem
[18:00] <ChinnoDog> it is a lot of swapping
[18:01] <ChinnoDog> everything freezes
[18:01] <ChinnoDog> KDE cries and disables effects
[18:01] <waltman> awww
[18:02] <ChinnoDog> Raising my swappiness value might alleviate this somewhat by swapping sooner but it doesn't explain why it is swapping when I have 1gb free yet
[18:02] <ChinnoDog> the output of 'free -m' suggests that it is being used as cache and the kernel won't give it up
[18:03] <ChinnoDog> actually I don't get how 3640mb of cach is being used in that output
[18:03] <ChinnoDog> it doesn't really make sense
[18:03] <pleia2> linux always caches as much as possible
[18:04] <pleia2> that's normal
[18:04]  * waltman notes that ram's cheap these days :)
[18:04] <ChinnoDog> that is not the point. idk where the rest of my RAM went
[18:05] <waltman> In your 14 tabs
[18:05] <ChinnoDog> That only accounts for 2.2gb
[18:05] <waltman> run top, then press M to sort processes by their memory usage
[18:06] <waltman> how much swap do you have?
[18:06] <ChinnoDog> chrome uses 21.8%
[18:06] <ChinnoDog> 669mb used
[18:07] <pleia2> that's a lot to be swapping
[18:07] <ChinnoDog> I have a total of 5gb of swap which is rediculous
[18:07] <ChinnoDog> I know!
[18:07] <waltman> It's hard to tell on my box because all my chromes are separate processes.
[18:07] <pleia2> you really just need more ram :)
[18:07] <adom> RAMburgler?
[18:07] <ChinnoDog> That is what it seems like
[18:07] <ChinnoDog> gremlins are stealing my RAM
[18:08] <adom> POUR WATER ON YOUR MACHINE
[18:08] <waltman> It doesn't hurt to restart chrome every once in a while
[18:08] <pleia2> and stop feeding it after midnight
[18:08] <ChinnoDog> My problem is not with chrome, it is that I can't account for all of my memory
[18:09] <waltman> some of it's being used for disk caching
[18:09] <ChinnoDog> I am changing my swappiness to 40
[18:09] <ChinnoDog> that should spread out my swapping a bit
[18:12] <ChinnoDog> One tab is using 906mb by itself 0_o
[18:13] <ChinnoDog> Someone load this and tell me how much memory it takes: http://gphangouts.com/hangout/extras/
[18:13] <pleia2> like a zillion memories
[18:13] <pleia2> I can't even use google hangouts on my netbook
[18:13] <waltman> If you go into chrome's task managed you can see how much ram each tab's using.
[18:13] <ChinnoDog> That is where I am looking
[18:13] <pleia2> (I don't know about the specific plugin)
[18:14] <waltman> 374,416k
[18:15]  * waltman goes to make some lunch
[18:15] <ChinnoDog> hmm
[18:15] <ChinnoDog> So... why does it take 906mb of my system but only 374mb on yours
[18:16] <ChinnoDog> plugin bloat?
[18:17] <pleia2> could be caching data from the last time you used it, or a million other things
[18:26] <ChinnoDog> My desktop pc needs a web cam
[18:34] <InHisName> Good afternoon y'all
[18:34] <jedijf> ernobody wants to see that
[18:37] <pleia2> I don't really get the draw of video conferencing, but I think that's because I'm afraid of people
[18:37] <pleia2> I'm quite content to use google hangout with just voice
[18:38] <pleia2> plus, I don't need to brush my hair or change into daytime clothes!
[18:39] <rmg51> pleia2: use Stitch as a stand in ;-)
[18:40] <pleia2> hehe
[18:44] <InHisName> I loaded that page into firefox.  Old top 495Mb,  with page added - 494Mb     Hrrmmm, it went down.
[18:46] <waltman> ChinnoDog: I'm on an i386 box. Maybe you're running 64 bits?
[18:46]  * waltman shrugs
[18:50] <InHisName> My compiz gobbles more memory over time.  Is there a way to reset compiz back to basic usage without rebooting ?  rhpot1991 suggested disabling unity & reenabling it in CCSM.  Might that be "Ubuntu Unity Plugin" that I UN check and REcheck ?
[18:57] <rhpot1991> InHisName: sounds right
[18:57] <rhpot1991> InHisName: there is a ppa with updates to compiz and unity that might help too
[18:57] <rhpot1991> I started running that and ti seems better
[18:58]  * rhpot1991 tries to find that
[19:00] <rhpot1991> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/803943
[19:00] <rhpot1991> InHisName: read that ^
[19:00] <PennBot> Title: Bug #803943 in unity: “compiz consuming a lot of cpu” (at bugs.launchpad.net)
[19:00] <rhpot1991> ppa is in there
[19:00] <InHisName> rhpot1991: OK, I'll check it out.
[19:01] <InHisName> Not so much CPU consumption but RAM consumption
[19:02] <rhpot1991> InHisName: ppay may help, check for similar bugs though
[19:02] <InHisName> They give tests to try to see if it applies.  I'll try tests.
[19:06] <InHisName> Mine shot up from 0% to 76% with moving window around desktop for compiz CPU consumption.


[07:37] <nigelb> *yawn* Morning
[07:52] <dholbach> good morning
[08:02] <nigelb> hey dholbach! I hope you had a fun vacation :)
[08:02] <nigelb> Good morning ara!
[08:03] <nigelb> dholbach: I have a bunch of suggestions for the packaging guide. I'm not sure if some bits were deliberately left out to make it simpler, so I didn't file a bug yet.
[08:03] <dholbach> nigelb, the idea is to have simple task-based articles and have in-depth knowledge-base articles
[08:03] <dholbach> if there are bugs in the guide, please feel free to file them
[08:04] <nigelb> dholbach: Can we do a task specific list of things to do?
[08:04] <dholbach> there's a number of bugs filed already as "placeholder articles"
[08:04] <dholbach> feel free to add more :)
[08:04] <nigelb> aha
[08:04] <nigelb> I'll do that :)
[08:04] <nigelb> I followed the guide last week to basically test the guide out
[08:05] <nigelb> The "pbuilder-dist oneiric create" step was left out
[08:05] <dholbach> $ pbuilder-dist <release> create
[08:05] <dholbach> http://people.canonical.com/~dholbach/packaging-guide/html/getting-set-up.html
[08:06] <dholbach> at half of the page
[08:06] <nigelb> blah
[08:07] <nigelb> hrm, this is a bit confusing
[08:07] <dholbach> what exactly?
[08:09] <nigelb> well, I found that the documentation was spread out and the left navigation was confusing
[08:09] <nigelb> So, I was inside the UDD documentation, which meant, I didn't see the getting Set up bit
[08:09] <nigelb> There should be a way to make Sphinx sidebar show more stuff
[08:10] <dholbach> can you file a bug about that?
[08:10] <nigelb> Yeah, doing so right now
[08:10] <nigelb> I'll probably give you a merge request too if you're open to fixing that :)
[08:11] <dholbach> oh yeah sure
[08:20] <dpm> good morning everyone
[08:21] <dholbach> hey dpm
[08:23] <dpm> hey dholbach, welcome back, how was the holiday?
[08:25] <dholbach> it was excellent - thanks :)
[08:25] <dholbach> how are you doing?
[08:28] <dpm> cool :), yeah, I'm doing well, slowly starting the week
[08:36] <nigelb> hey dpm :)
[08:42] <dpm> hey nigelb :)
[08:56] <kim0> Morning everyone
[08:56] <kim0> dholbach: dpm nigelb hey o/
[08:56] <nigelb> Good morning kim0!
[09:02] <dpm> good morning kim0 :)
[09:02] <kim0> dpm: hey :)
[09:22] <dholbach> hey kim0
[09:22] <kim0> dholbach: hey man .. hope you had some fun the past few days
[09:24] <dholbach> yeah, it was great
[09:24] <dholbach> a bit windy, but great :)
[09:26] <kim0> dholbach: awesome :)
[10:47] <dholbach> brb
[14:47] <dholbach> james_w, did you hear the Flux Pavillion BBC1xtra mix already? it's awesome
[14:47] <james_w> I didn't
[14:49] <dholbach> http://lsdb.eu/set/74932/Flux_Pavilion_-_BBC_1Xtra__09-03-11.html
[14:51] <james_w> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=479t0JYYz0E I think?
[14:52] <james_w> thanks!
[14:54] <dholbach> james_w, not available in my country, so I can' tell :)
[14:54] <james_w> ah
[14:54] <james_w> track list looks the same
[14:54] <dholbach> awesome
[17:19] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day
[17:19] <dholbach> have a great rest of yours and see you tomorrow
[19:43] <mhall119> doctormo: ping
[20:39] <doctormo> mhall119: pong
[20:52] <koolhead17> kim0:
[22:09] <mhall119> doctormo: still around?
[22:09] <mhall119> doctormo: did you make the icons on the bottom row here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mhall119/icons/icons_preview.html
[22:10] <mhall119> and if so, what license are they under?
[23:11] <doctormo> mhall119: I did, and they are the same license as the code of the loco-directory.
[23:11] <doctormo> By the way, those two icons are using two different colours.


[01:04] <thebwt> anyone messed around with a private launchpad instance much?
[01:20] <Linden940> anyone know much about this part
[01:20] <Linden940> cisco switch power supply AA23200
[01:34] <thebwt> brb
[01:47] <Cat-> anyone around?
[02:19] <spridel> there probably are some
[02:21] <Linden940> i am
[02:22] <Linden940> mrand, u there?
[02:23] <spridel> hi Cat-
[02:26] <Cat-> hello


[11:24] <klepas> anyone home?>
[12:18] <klepas> moin
[03:14] <mpathy> Hi there..
[03:19] <klepas> anyone home!?
[03:19] <klepas> please.
[03:19] <mpathy> yes
[03:20] <mpathy> whazzup? :)
[03:21] <klepas> Finally
[03:21] <klepas> Alrighty
[03:21] <klepas> Remember that list that was posted outlining what needs to be done?
[03:22] <klepas> [btw, hi, nice to meet you :) ]
[03:22] <mpathy> hmm.. yes?
[03:22] <mpathy> you too :)
[03:22] <klepas> I'm right now going through it, whilst browisng GNOME-Look.org, ubuntuforums.org and art.ubuntu.com
[03:23] <klepas> adding possible candidates which in my opinion we could draw any items that are missing after we add everything else
[03:24] <mpathy> I found someone who have many pictures, especially those who fit this calendar "elements-themed" idea..
[03:24] <klepas> good
[03:24] <klepas> because i'm missing that the most
[03:24] <klepas> i'm trying to fulfill the children, teenager, realism and such categories
[03:24] <mpathy> he wrote on the mailing list, subject "newbie"
[03:25] <klepas> yup
[03:26] <klepas> i replied telling him we are like 24 hours away from deadline and to send as many pics our way as possible :)
[03:26] <mpathy> I said that he can upload the fitting pics on art.ubuntu.com
[03:27] <mpathy> i think he will answer soon
[03:27] <klepas> good
[03:28] <klepas> have you got admin rights to AUC as well?
[03:28] <mpathy> klepas, could you mail the current status of what to do in a while?
[03:28] <mpathy> no
[03:28] <klepas> alrighty
[03:28] <klepas> here's the deal
[03:29] <klepas> i'll finish off the basic wallpapers
[03:29] <klepas> well the URLs and names of candidates
[03:29] <klepas> mail them to you
[03:29] <klepas> and i'll check in on AUC right afterwards?
[03:34] <mpathy> what do you mean with AUC right? sorry my brain doesnt work properly right now, had a hefty week ;)
[03:35] <klepas> Well what I am doing right now is trying to find candidates to choose items to add to the art stuff
[03:35] <klepas> by going through that list of stuff needed and browsing GNOME-Look, gallery@ Ubuntuforums.org and art.ubuntu.com
[03:35] <klepas> once i've done/covered all items for the wallpapers, i'll mail you the list to continue
[03:36] <klepas> and i'll check AUC for those new submissions.
[03:36] <klepas> :)
[03:36] <mpathy> "make it so" :)
[03:36] <klepas> Can do
[03:37] <klepas> http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/ubuntu/44
[03:37] <klepas> there's our Children themed wallpaper
[03:37] <klepas> and it's even an SVG
[03:37] <klepas> :D
[03:37] <mpathy> great. perfect. done! :)
[03:37] <mpathy> next :)
[03:37] <klepas> That guy has talent
[03:38] <klepas> well i am doing several for each category, so we can choose more than one or have a larger variety
[03:38] <klepas> http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/ubuntu/28
[03:39] <klepas> another one for the kid category?
[03:39] <mpathy> yes, he also does such a transparent png I mentioned.. thats a great advance because of the "i dont like this brown!!" problem ;)
[03:40] <mpathy> why kids category? that is one I like too ;)
[03:41] <klepas> they fall into the cute, non-techy criteria
[03:41] <klepas> http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/ubuntu/1
[03:41] <klepas> these for the 'teenager' category
[03:42] <mpathy> we shouldnt think too straight in the categories which had been mailed.. if we have a couple of different, but high-quality wallpapers its okay.. my opinion..
[03:42] <klepas> yea
[03:42] <klepas> well i've added a lot
[03:42] <klepas> so we can have a lot to pick from
[03:43] <klepas> and we need to pick within the next 10 hours
[03:43] <mpathy> okay.. whats with the calendar pics?
[03:43] <klepas> not sure there
[03:43] <klepas> i'm hoping our new guy can help us out :)
[03:44] <mpathy> yes I hope too.. I think we stick to the elements idea.. its too late too think of new concepts.. lets look what we can find..
[03:45] <klepas> yea
[03:46] <klepas> http://kwh.kernow-gb.com/~bvc/images/103.png
[03:46] <klepas> Whoa!
[03:46] <mpathy> at last resort we should additionally send all our suggestions to canonical because they have ressources to finalize them otherwise.. (stock photo)
[03:47] <klepas> agreed
[03:47] <klepas> did you check that last URL?
[03:49] <mpathy> yes.. but whats the connection to ubuntu? i think we should save that pic for the "crazy cockchafer" release *LOL*
[03:50] <klepas> lollers
[03:50] <klepas> http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=615&c=5
[03:50] <klepas> ^ candidate for the photography stuff
[03:51] <mpathy> hmm..
[03:51] <mpathy> the idea is nice but the pic could be better.. perhaps the person who submitted it have other versions of this motive
[03:51] <klepas> yep
[03:52] <mpathy> i think the photography section has the greatest selection
[03:52] <klepas> think so?
[03:52] <mpathy> hi lllmanulll
[03:52] <lllmanulll> Hi !
[03:52] <klepas> hard to come by so far
[03:52] <mpathy> yes.. most of the pics are photos..
[03:52] <lllmanulll> Good to see that ther's some discussion going on here :)
[03:52] <lllmanulll> s/ther/there
[03:53] <klepas> moin lllmanulll
[03:53] <mpathy> not that much as it should be a day before deadline ;)
[03:53] <klepas> mpathy, what's the max wallpapers we can ship?
[03:54] <mpathy> okay, I dont know where the other persons live.. here it is 16:00 :)
[03:54] <mpathy> klepas: dont know
[03:54] <klepas> i hope it's a lot
[03:54] <klepas> :)
[03:54] <lllmanulll> Huh, anybody knows where Andy can be found ?
[03:54] <lllmanulll> I ma de some icons for Firefox, OpenOffice, etc., and need some input from him
[03:54] <klepas> mailing list most likely
[03:55] <klepas> I don't know his other details, soz
[03:55] <lllmanulll> Well, he doesn't seem to answer (I have already posted a mail with my icons)
[03:55] <mpathy> hmm.. i think it shouldnt be too much.. but there should be an integration of the gnome-art frontend
[03:55] <klepas> mpathy, think we could ask the guy over at www.linuxart.com for a few nice shots?
[03:56] <mpathy> lllmanulll: on the mailing list? you could additionally add them to art.ubuntu.com?
[03:56] <mpathy> why not? but fast :)
[03:58] <lllmanulll> mpathy, I didn't find a way to post icons on art.ubuntu.com
[03:58] <lllmanulll> Only full icon themes
[03:58] <lllmanulll> Si there a simple way ?
[03:58] <mpathy> oh okay.. hmm dont know.. there is an forum!
[03:58] <klepas> alright - could you folks please give me the URLs of any nice GDM themes that we could add the list of candidates?
[04:01] <mpathy> klepas: hehe, http://linuxart.com/photos/03jul12-zoo,_africa/1152/0712-104718.jpg thats nice and if I retouched it, perhaps someone believes its a "breezy badger" ;)
[04:01] <klepas> hehe
[04:01] <klepas> go for it
[04:02] <mpathy> okay i'll try.. retouching is a least one thing I'm good at ;)
[04:03] <klepas> but stay close to the chatroom
[04:03] <klepas> might need you very soon
[04:03] <mpathy> klepas: But there would be 1000 mails of people who say: That is NO badger ;)
[04:03] <klepas> almost done with my part of the list :)
[04:03] <klepas> rof rof
[04:05] <klepas> moin
[04:06] <mpathy> hi newz2000
[04:06] <newz2000> good morning (GMT -6)
[04:07] <newz2000> I'm gonna take a shower soon, but I wanted to say I'll have some time today (2 - 3 hours) to help with art deadline.
[04:07] <newz2000> So if anyone has any need, let me know. When I get back I'll see what I can do.
[04:08] <klepas> sure thing
[04:08] <newz2000> I'm good at touching up, color correctiong, optimizing and converting. Not as great at creating.
[04:09] <klepas> good :)
[04:09] <klepas> stick around
[04:09] <newz2000> I will. I'll be back soon, but I'll keep my irc client open and catch up when I get return.
[04:09] <klepas> Alrighty
[04:10] <klepas> mini announcement
[04:10] <klepas> Is there/could someone please make/show me a finished version of this:
[04:10] <klepas> http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/473/ubuntulogin019io.png
[04:10] <klepas> that is just a mockup
[04:11] <newz2000> Did you make that?
[04:11] <klepas> No
[04:11] <klepas> I can find out who's concept idea it was
[04:11] <klepas> if you like
[04:12] <klepas> but it would be grand if we could set that into life (mockup)
[04:12] <newz2000> I think the green in Session is too low contrast with the background... people who are color blind probably won't be able to read it.
[04:12] <newz2000> The red in session might have the same problem.
[04:13] <klepas> Agreed
[04:13] <klepas> blue might do it
[04:13] <klepas> such as the blue used for the "Shutdown"
[04:14] <klepas> and that green for the "restart" could be changed
[04:14] <mpathy> klepas: I can try to do, i did a few gdm themes for myself a few months ago..
[04:15] <klepas> that would be awesome
[04:15] <klepas> :-)
[04:15] <mpathy> klepas: if the one who made the mockup could send it to me in "parts" I would try!
[04:16] <klepas> one moment
[04:16] <mpathy> that mockup would fit perfectly to the new gnome theme who was suggested ("pilgrim")
[04:17] <mpathy> mpathy: perhaps I could take some "parts" of that
[04:17] <klepas> talking to yourself there...? :-P
[04:18] <klepas> Alright
[04:18] <klepas> the guy who posted the mockup for the GDM theme can be found here:
[04:18] <klepas> http://art.ubuntu.com/users/14
[04:19] <klepas> and he also posted an awesome full screen splash!
[04:19] <klepas> would it be possible to turn this into reality: http://img344.imageshack.us/my.php?image=breezysplash018vz.png
[04:21] <klepas> No takers?
[04:24] <mpathy> klepas: I dont know if its technically possible to do a fullscreen splashscreen because of the different resolutions
[04:24] <klepas> perhaps as an SVG?
[04:25] <klepas> in this case it could be possible
[04:25] <mpathy> klepas: but I would at least tell canonical about it tomorrow
[04:25] <klepas> yea
[04:25] <klepas> well it's a suggestion
[04:25] <klepas> otherwise there are plenty i'm about to scourage for on GNOME-Look
[04:25] <mpathy> klepas: dont know if svg works at splash and second, also the icons had to be scalable in that way
[04:26] <klepas> ah, good point
[04:26] <klepas> well we'll just leave it as a mockup then
[04:26] <klepas> I'm guessing Canonical has an separate art team or some sorts.
[04:26] <mpathy> klepas: I would keep the focus on the wallpapers and the humiltiy iconset, the splash and the gdm are not too bad already :)
[04:27] <klepas> Yea. You're right
[04:27] <klepas> :)
[04:27] <mpathy> klepas: dont know if there is a art team but they have people who could do this, if they think it has to be done..
[04:28] <klepas> Good.
[04:29] <mpathy> lets look what we can get done, and not to try too many things in this short time ;) this is our first time as art team, next time we will reach another level, for sure ;)
[04:33] <klepas> done
[04:33] <klepas> i'll post the list
[04:34] <klepas> mailing list
[04:38] <klepas> sent
[04:38] <klepas> :)
[04:39] <klepas> Oh, and by the way: I just went sort of stressful because we need to do something, and no one else seemed to be taking a lead. I'm happy to retire now. :)
[04:43] <newz2000> someone has to lead
[04:43] <klepas> Lucky it's holidays here then.
[04:43] <klepas> otherwise there is a bedtime curfew
[04:43] <newz2000> klepass, where are you?
[04:43] <klepas> [00:43 here]
[04:44] <klepas> Canberra, Australia.
[04:44] <klepas> 16 years old. And staying up late. :-P
[04:46] <klepas> So. What have you been up to recently? :)
[04:46] <newz2000> good job on that list.
[04:47] <newz2000> I'm coding this week. I work for a company that makes a comercial content management system. My job for the week is to add podcasting support.
[04:47] <klepas> Kick ass.
[04:47] <newz2000> hopefully
[04:47] <klepas> What's the CMS called?
[04:48] <newz2000> www.elitecms.com
[04:48] <klepas> Thanks, btw.
[04:49] <mpathy> What I can do is only to try on IRC as long as possible and additionally try to make this gdm, but I also have little time these weeks
[04:50] <klepas> That's alright mpathy
[04:50] <klepas> Guys, check the mailing list
[04:50] <klepas> the to-do list has just gotten through
[04:51] <klepas> I sure hope it's enough
[05:01] <mpathy> klepas: forgot the calendar images but volvoguy reminded also a few days ago about this.. I hope the new guy on the mailing list has most of the pics so we could also finish that
[05:03] <klepas> yea
[05:03] <klepas> it's v1
[05:03] <klepas> so feel free to add and make a v2 of the list
[05:03] <klepas> for those not on the mailing list or don't have access to it or whatever
[05:03] <mpathy> klepas: But its a good overview. btw, i dont like working only with a mailing list and a unstructured wiki.. but thats things we can discuss after the deadline :) :o(
[05:03] <klepas> http://wombat.nuxified.com/files/the-list-v1.txt
[05:05] <newz2000> klepas, I thick something is blocking private messages
[05:05] <klepas> :o(
[05:09] <mpathy> hey guys, I gotta go, LUG meeting this evening.. I continue my work there and perhaps get some other ubuntu-users to help me ;)
[05:10] <klepas> enjoy LUG. :o)
[05:10] <mpathy> thx..
[05:12] <mpathy> bye then
[05:15] <klepas> :)
[06:05] <klepas> alrighty guys
[06:05] <klepas> I'm out
[06:05] <klepas> nothing new has shown up on art.ubuntu.com
[06:05] <klepas> and it's 02:05 AM here
[06:10] <klepas> Good night everyone. I'll check what's been composed tomorrow
[09:19] <mpathy> hi ther
[09:20] <mpathy> I'm afraid I need at least one day to get the mockup into a working gdm
[09:29] <ares> hello :)
[09:30] <ares> catching up on logged chats, don't mind me
[10:05] <mpathy> anybody here? ;)
[10:06] <newz2000> I am, but I'm pulling my hair out.
[10:06] <ares> I am
[10:06] <ares> I'm reading
[10:06] <newz2000> mpathy, I'm not surprised about the gdm thing. It looks like you'll pretty much have to recreate that from scratch.
[10:10] <newz2000> If you want to go through that effort of course.
[10:12] <mpathy> newz2000: if I had the single parts I could be fast.. but I think tomorrow will be a hell of a day, so..


[03:30] <jonazdnb> I was wondering if I could get an Ubuntu Cloak? Here is my launchpad account: https://launchpad.net/~jonazdnb
[03:32] <Pici> jonazdnb: Let me take a look
[03:32] <jonazdnb> Thanks
[03:33] <Pici> jonazdnb: To qualify for an Ubuntu Member cloak, you need to be an approved Ubuntu Member, see http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember for more information.
[03:33] <Pici> If you want an unaffiliated cloak, you can request one in #freenode
[03:34] <jonazdnb> Oh, alright thanks
[03:34] <Pici> np :)
[04:07] <Damascene> hi,
[04:07] <Damascene> remember last time we talked about #ubuntu being so busy at release time
[04:07] <bazhang> yes
[04:07] <Damascene> why pouring #ubuntu+1 in it?
[04:07] <bazhang> now?
[04:08] <Pici> what?
[04:08] <Damascene> #ubuntu+1 forward to it
[04:08] <bazhang> its closed
[04:08] <Damascene> #ubuntu+1 >> #ubuntu
[04:08] <bazhang> no +1 now
[04:08] <Pici> Why should +1 be open?
[04:08] <bazhang> meerkat won't be around for a long while
[04:09] <Pici> Lucid is released, and Maverick hasn't landed yet.
[04:09] <Pici> And when it does land, that channel will only be for its discussion and support.
[04:09] <Damascene> ok no problem. but adding a channel with 300 users to #ubuntu in one day can not solve a problem
[04:09] <bazhang> what problem?
[04:10] <Damascene> jam problem
[04:10] <Pici> Those 300 users were most likely also already in #ubuntu, or came from there originally.
[04:10] <Damascene> no, I didn't
[04:10] <Damascene> I was testing Lucid
[04:10] <bazhang> thought this was thoroughly discussed before
[04:11] <Damascene> ok. I just wanted to make sure what happened
[05:32] <HardDisk> Hello, I would like to request my ubuntu affiliation membership cloak.  I am #ubuntu-eg's IRC operator for over a year now.  I have also been assisting in having our first Release Party at Cairo University. this week
[05:33] <bazhang> HardDisk, could you post a link to your launchpad
[05:33] <HardDisk> https://launchpad.net/~sambuntu
[05:34] <bazhang> you need to be an Ubuntu member
[05:34] <bazhang> !member
[05:34] <HardDisk> ok I will read this.
[05:35] <HardDisk> thank you.
[06:40] <HardDisk> bazhang, I hope my page is more appropriate now, as I see it has been outdated, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SamAzab
[06:40] <HardDisk> so I can apply for ubuntu membership that is.
[06:43] <bazhang> HardDisk, looks nice
[06:43] <HardDisk> appreciate it.
[06:44] <HardDisk> We are really working hard to get our LoCo team approved also.
[06:44] <HardDisk> the problem is sustaining people long enough.
[06:44] <bazhang> the membership hearings (or whatever they are called) are in #ubuntu-meeting , at regularly scheduled intervals
[06:45] <bazhang> yep
[06:45] <bazhang> !umea
[06:45] <HardDisk> Fortunately we have university students who have been dedicated to helping us.
[06:45] <HardDisk> which is how we have this release party in the first place
[06:45] <bazhang> good to hear :)
[06:45] <HardDisk> without their support we wouldnt have had it in th first place
[06:46] <HardDisk> it's considered our first "official" release party.
[06:46] <HardDisk> so if anyone is in cairo or visiting for business or pleasure, please join us :D
[06:46] <HardDisk> forget the pyramids..
[06:46] <bazhang> :)
[06:47] <HardDisk> the pyramids have been around for thousands of years
[06:47] <HardDisk> we're having this event for ONE day :D
[14:04] <malev> !factoid
[14:13] <macr0x> hai guys
[14:13] <macr0x> what is loco?
[14:14] <guntbert> macr0x: it stands for local channels like #ubuntu-us ...
[14:14] <macr0x> what you mean by ubuntu-us?
[14:14] <macr0x> your ubuntu?
[14:14] <macr0x> why make own derivative?
[14:16] <DJones> macr0x: #ubuntu-us would refer to the local support given to each other by people in the -us timezone, its not a derivative, just a group of people from the same area/country
[14:17] <macr0x> a bunch of punkers or rappers?
[14:17] <macr0x> HEY I KNOW TO RAP
[14:20] <macr0x> That, meaning, this, Book, which Muhammad (s) recites, in it there is no doubt, no uncertainty, that it is from God (the negation [lĀ rayba fĪhi] is the predicate of dhĀlika; the use of the demonstrative here is intended to glorify [the Book]). A guidance (hudĀ is a second predicate, meaning that it [the Book] ‘guides’), for the God-fearing, namely, those that tend towards piety by...
[14:20] <macr0x> ...adhering...
[14:20] <macr0x> ...to commands and avoiding things prohibited, thereby guarding themselves from the Fire;
[14:20] <macr0x> who believe in, that is, who accept the truth of, the Unseen, what is hidden from them of the Resurrection, Paradise and the Fire; and maintain the prayer, that is to say, who perform it giving it its proper due; and of what We have provided them, that is, of what we have bestowed upon them, expend, in obedience to God;
[17:40] <ubot2> In #ubuntu-classroom-chat, drubin said: !ubuntu is mostly converstations instead of announcements
[17:41] <drubin> sorry that wasn't supposed to be an edit request
[17:42] <Pici> I figured.
[18:36] <mrand> Howdy, I'd like to request a Ubuntu cloak... my email address is registered with nickserv, and my profile is https://launchpad.net/~mrand
[18:37] <Pici> mrand: Let me take a look...
[18:38] <Pici> marienz: do you have a moment?
[18:39] <Pici> marienz: Looks like you meet the prereqs, let me just grab a staffer to get the cloak enabled.
[18:39] <mrand> Pici: cool
[18:43] <marienz> Pici: sure
[18:44] <marienz> ubuntu/member/mrand for mrand, iiuc?
[18:44] <Pici> marienz: exactly :)
[18:44] <marienz> there you go
[18:44] <Pici> mrand: You're all set.  Congrats on your membership.
[18:44] <mrand> awesome.  Thank you!
[18:44] <Pici> marienz: Thanks as well.
[18:44] <marienz> np
[19:44] <ubot2> In #ubuntu-se, virtuald said: ubot2: hjälp is http://help.ubuntu-se.org/
[20:19] <ubot2> In #ubuntu-br, Andre_Gondim said: !tradutor is <reply> A tradução do Ubuntu é feita por voluntários se dispõem a ajudar nesta tarefa. Se você está interessado isso, leia mais em: https://launchpad.net/~lp-l10n-pt-br/
[20:19] <ubot2> In #ubuntu-br, Pskol said: !pskol is <reply>o fodao
[20:31] <ubot2> In #ubuntu-br, Andre_Gondim said: !documentação is <reply> A documentação do Ubuntu é feita por voluntários se dispõem a ajudar nesta tarefa. Se você procura documentação veja em: http://wiki.ubuntu-br.org/TimeDeDocumentacao
[20:33] <ubot2> In #ubuntu-br, Andre_Gondim said: !documentação is <reply> A documentação do Ubuntu é feita por voluntários se dispõem a ajudar nesta tarefa. Se você procura documentação veja em: http://wiki.ubuntu-br.org/TimeDeDocumentacao
[20:34] <Andre_Gondim> can anyone approved my editing?
[20:52] <tsimpson> I'm not sure if you can have unicode in factoid names
[20:52] <tsimpson> I seem to remember something strange happening when I last tried
[21:00] <Andre_Gondim> Well, I saw sometime, like !tradução
[23:42] <ThomasG33K> sorry to be a bother but, I would like to know why I was banned from the #ubuntu channel?
[23:44] <Pici> ThomasG33K: Please join #ubuntu-ops, an operator was just about to talk to you when you left.
[23:46] <ThomasG33K> Pici: thanks


[02:05] <billybigrigger> anyone awake?
[02:06] <billybigrigger> i have a question, im working on a Grub 2 Wiki page, now is it safe to copy/paste some info on grub 2 themeing from the Grub 2 Doc's or is it just better to point a link?
[02:06] <billybigrigger> like should i be scouring the net for information to build this page, or just make the page a bunch of links to useful information?
[02:12] <Rocket2DMn> billybigrigger, you shouldn't just copy/paste - that is plagiarism and most could quite possibly violate the licensing on the original source
[02:12] <Rocket2DMn> Summarizing and linking is good
[02:12] <billybigrigger> k
[02:12] <billybigrigger> thats all i needed to know
[02:12] <Rocket2DMn> signing off now, good luck :)
[02:13] <billybigrigger> ah
[02:13] <billybigrigger> i needed to ask another q
[02:13] <billybigrigger> how do i get multiple lines of text display like [code] [/code]
[02:13] <billybigrigger> ???
[02:13] <billybigrigger> || text
[02:13] <billybigrigger> blah
[02:14] <billybigrigger> blah || doesn't seem to work
[02:14] <billybigrigger> whereas || text || will show in a cell
[04:35] <billybigrigger> anyone alive?
[04:35] <billybigrigger> that can tell me how to make text on a wiki page be formmated to look like [code][/code]
[04:35] <billybigrigger> ?
[04:37] <j1mc> billybigrigger: {{{Inline with braces}}}
[04:37] <j1mc> try that?
[04:38] <billybigrigger> ahhh
[04:38] <billybigrigger> thanks
[07:49] <mdke> jmburgess: the person to ask is Alan Pope (popey on irc)
[11:22] <jmburgess> mdke: yeah I sent him an email
[15:20] <MagicFab> Hi all
[15:20] <MagicFab> I am wondering who I should ask to get access to upload attachments to help.ubuntu.com/community ?
[15:21] <MagicFab> cody-somerville, ^ would you know ?
[15:21] <cody-somerville> You can't?
[15:23] <MagicFab> no
[15:24] <MagicFab> I am logged in :) and no "upload" or attachments option under "Other actions"
[15:24] <MagicFab> huh.. "More actions:"
[15:30] <MagicFab> Weird. Appending ?action=AttachFile seems to work.
[18:56] <ubu-noob> I have a question
[18:56] <ubu-noob> Is anyone around to answer?
[18:56] <billybigrigger> just ask
[18:57] <ubu-noob> I've been chatting with Dylan McCall on https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2009-June/013257.html
[18:58] <ubu-noob> about the upcoming slideshow in ubiquity
[18:58] <ubu-noob> And, in reply to one of his questions
[18:58] <ubu-noob> I've used Gimp to create a mockup of how I feel the slides might look
[18:58] <ubu-noob> I just registered on Launchpad.net
[18:59] <ubu-noob> I was wondering how I should send the .jpg image I created, along with the written description.
[18:59] <ubu-noob> Should I just use imageshack and put another message on the mailing list?
[18:59] <ubu-noob> or is there something better?
[19:00] <ubu-noob> possibly involving Launchpad and the project page: https://launchpad.net/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
[19:00] <ubu-noob> ??
[19:01] <ubu-noob> or the wiki?
[19:29] <ubu-noob> Well, I've just posted again to the mailing list, asking Dylan to help me figure out the best way for me to share my jpeg and written description of the slideshow slide mockup I've put together
[19:29] <ubu-noob> We'll see what he has to say
[23:31] <billybigrigger> anyone alive that can proof-read or go over my wiki entry?
[23:31] <billybigrigger> its my first and don't know if it's up to the doc teams specs, or ubuntu's specs even
[23:44] <nhandler> billybigrigger: If you give us a link to it, I am sure someone will read through it
[23:44] <billybigrigger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2
[23:54] <dsas> documentation goes on the documentation http://wiki at help.ubuntu.com/community (assuming the page is documentation, haven't read yet)
[23:55] <dsas> "Recover Grub 2 via LiveCD" - you should probably explain some circumstances that make this necessary
[23:57] <dsas> If the theme files run in order is it better to add your theme in 06_my_theme rather than editing 05_debian theme?
[23:58] <dsas> billybigrigger: ^^^