[00:19] <divertedd> is it true that i cant compile sourcecode without a configure-file?
[00:20] <divertedd> the sourcecode came from a .tar.gz file
[00:36] <duanedesign> divertedd: does the code come with a Read Me?
[00:40] <duanedesign> divertedd: If no configure file exists at all, you might want to check for the existence of a configure.ac file (although you should, first of all, read the INSTALL and README files very carefully!). If configure.ac exists, chances are that the developer has forgot to create the final configure. To create it yourself, you need the autoconf package.
[00:40] <duanedesign> sudo apt-get install autoconf
[00:41] <duanedesign> After it is installed, you can type :   autoconf
[00:41] <duanedesign> and, if you're lucky, a working configure will be created.
[00:42] <duanedesign> this might help. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware
[00:52] <chewable> hi
[00:52] <chewable> My ubuntu is stuck on booting. it dumps out on a initramfs shell
[00:53] <chewable> how do I get to recovery mode?
[00:55] <chewable> hi
[01:02] <duanedesign> chewable: while booting i think it is esc key to get to grub menu
[01:09] <chewable> ok, I did that and got 3 options. my hard drive and my cd drive listed in this box in the middle of the screen
[01:09] <chewable> and the 3rd is the 2nd hard drive
[01:12] <chewable> after selecting boot device on the screen, I get the same result (back to the initramfs shell). I'm reading that this problem is caused by the kernel upgrade?
[01:17] <chewable> duanedesign: it seems that typing "exit" and hitting enter resumes the boot -- so I guess this is solved. At least long enough to back up the files and then reinstall fresh to see if I can avoid this boot bug.
[01:18] <chewable> I'll go post the result and thanks
[03:38] <Karuption> hey
[03:40] <Karuption> how do you see the processes
[03:40] <Karuption> via commandline
[03:42] <aveilleux> Karuption: You can use the ps command to view all of them, or ps |grep <term> to search for a particular process
[03:44] <Karuption> also, why doesnt Ubuntu tweak work with the latest 646 bit desktop
[03:46] <aveilleux> Karuption: How do you mean? It works fine for me.
[03:49] <Karuption> its not working like at all
[03:49] <aveilleux> Karuption: That doesn't tell me very much. How did you install it? How did you run it?
[03:49] <Karuption> i updated the packages then installed and it doesnt work along with gdesklets
[03:50] <Karuption> apps -> system tools -> ubuntutweal
[03:50] <aveilleux> Karuption: How did you install it?
[03:50] <Karuption> commandline
[03:50] <aveilleux> Karuption: What process did you use
[03:51] <Karuption> wget http://ubuntu-tweak.googlecode.com/files/ubuntu-tweak_0.2.6-1~ppa1_all.deb; sudo dpkg -i ubuntu-tweak_0.2.6-1~ppa1_all.deb
[03:52] <aveilleux> 0.2.6? That's really old
[03:52] <Karuption> idk it was on a site haha
[03:52] <aveilleux> Karuption: uninstall it (sudo apt-get purge ubuntu-tweak) and follow this guide http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-ubuntu-tweak-0-5-6-beta-in-ubuntu-10-049-10.html
[03:53] <Karuption> is purge better than remove? because thats what i have been using
[03:54] <aveilleux> Karuption: It removes the configuration in /etc as well, so it cleans more thoroughly
[03:54] <Karuption> ahh
[03:55] <Karuption> just switched over too Ubuntu a few days ago
[03:55] <Karuption> perfect :D thanks
[03:55] <aveilleux> Karuption: No problem
[03:57] <Karuption> gdesklets isnt workign ether
[03:59] <aveilleux> Karuption: The GNOME widgets thing? I'm not too familiar with it, sorry
[03:59] <Karuption> its cool
[03:59] <aveilleux> Karuption: This may solve your problem https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdesklets/+bug/544840
[03:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 544840 in gdesklets (Ubuntu) "gdesklets broken since last update (dup-of: 569714)" [Undecided,New]
[03:59] <Karuption> thanks anyways lol
[03:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 569714 in gdesklets (Ubuntu) "gdesklets cannot start, looking for tiling module (affects: 48) (dups: 3) (heat: 243)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[04:00] <Karuption> aveilleux: still just trying to learn some linux lol
[04:00] <aveilleux> Karuption: Well hang around, we'll be here for you if you need us
[04:00] <Karuption> yay! haha
[04:14] <Karuption> aveilleux: works now, thanks again
[04:15] <aveilleux> Karuption: No problem
[06:40] <Karuption> such a lame channel lol
[06:40] <Karuption> no talking D:
[08:25] <nUboon2Age> Broadcom swims upstream, tackles Linux WiFi woes with new open drivers  http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/09/broadcom-announces-official-open-source-drivers-for-linux.ars
[09:53] <augustk> does anyone know how to start ubuntu 10.04 without gui (temporarily)?
[10:19] <aaa__> hi
[10:21] <aaa__> hello after I used GParted and done some moving around of partitions now XP won't boot on my multiboot pc, it shows \ntldr problem ,  how to fix it?
[10:23] <aaa__> anyone please
[11:57] <duanedesign> good morning
[11:59] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[12:02] <Silver_Fox_> How are you duanedesign  ?
[12:02] <duanedesign> good good
[12:04] <Silver_Fox_> Great.
[12:30] <Abhijeet> kernel deleted accidently, how can i copy the packages from the damaged system using live cd or fresh innstallation please help me.
[12:31] <Silver_Fox_> Hello. As stated yesterday, try chroot.
[12:31] <Silver_Fox_> Did that not work for you?
[12:32] <Silver_Fox_> Was nobody in #ubuntu+1 able to help you ?
[12:33] <Abhijeet> sorry it didn't worked im planning the fresh innstallation , but before that i want to copy the packages which i had innstalled in it.
[12:35] <JDE_> Hi, I'm trying to install Ubuntu on a (currently dead) Windows laptop, but will only be able to install to it's hard drive via another PC. Any ideas on how to do this?
[12:39] <geirha> It can't boot a CD or USB?
[12:39] <Abhijeet> i was entered in the #ubuntu+1 but it was flooded , no one helped me.I have decided to install it freshly.But i want to get back the softwares which i had installed in the system, becuase i worked very hard for installing google earth , picasa 3.8, vuze and many more softwares.
[12:39] <geirha> !install
[12:39] <ubot2> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall - Don't want to use a CD? See http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[12:40] <JDE_> The dead laptop says that it can't install from the CD (the usual download method), and won't boot into Windows to try Wubi or anything. Typical PC. lol
[12:42] <JDE_> Just to actually answer the question, no, it won't boot from the CD
 please help me to get back the packages from the damages system.
[12:44] <geirha> JDE_: Then how did windows get installed?
[12:46] <JDE_> Windows was on the laptop before from ages ago, but got corrupted and won't boot. That's why I want to change to Linux
[12:47] <philinux> Abhijeet: In the chroot you can just install the missing kernel.
[12:47] <geirha> JDE_: I've never heard of a laptop that has a CD drive that can't boot from CD, so that's a bit baffling. Do you know if it can boot PXE?
[12:47] <JDE_> Geirha: At the moment, I have a clean, empty hard drive on my desk, but no way of knowing how to install to it without affecting the setup of another PC
[12:48] <philinux> Abhijeet: or just run update-grub if it has not been purged.
[12:48] <geirha> JDE_: Oh, and you want to install ubuntu on that, then put it in the laptop?
[12:48] <JDE_> Yes
[12:49] <geirha> JDE_: Ah, well then you just need to connect it to a computer where you can boot the CD and install Ubuntu on that drive.
[12:49] <geirha> JDE_: However, on the last step of the installer
[12:49] <geirha> There's an Advanced button. You need to click that to get the options on where to install the boot loader.
[12:50] <JDE_> Oh, OK.
[12:50] <geirha> Make sure you change that to install the bootloader to the same harddrive
[12:50] <Abhijeet> no i have tried many  times , therefore i have decided to install ubuntu freshly. please help me about how i can copy  the packages in the fresh installation , the required libraries or as a whole packages including the required packages
[12:50] <geirha> The default is to install the bootloader on the "main" disk, regardless of which disk you install Ubuntu on
[12:50] <JDE_> OK, that sounds easier than I was expecting!
[12:50] <Abhijeet> sorry read it as 'required packages including the libraries'
[12:52] <JDE_> Geirha: Thanks for the help, I was just expecting a little more fuss after using Windows for so long!
[12:55] <philinux> Abhijeet: Just one link from google "ubuntu backup installed packages" . https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingSoftware#Backup/Restore%20installed%20packages
[14:54] <Silver_Fox_> Back later.
[15:06] <Talib_> Hi
[15:06] <Talib_> may I ask some Ubuntu help here?
[15:11] <Talib_> any1?
[15:13] <Talib_> k. I consider myself a windows power user trying to learn linux with Ubuntu and have 3 questions...
[15:13] <Talib_> 1) I have read that /usr/sbin is like program files, my question is why no sub directories in there. It seems a bit disorganized?
[15:14] <Talib_> 2) I install build-essentials via apt-get, where are the files installed?
[15:14] <Talib_> 3)dang, forgot what question 3 was
[17:24] <boywonder> hi,can i use gparted to partition a usb drive
[17:24] <boywonder> ?
[17:25] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[17:29] <Verminator> boywonder, yes, I have done it in the last few weeks to a 250GB external USB drive
[19:04] <blackshell> is there a alternative for man command?
[19:13] <Verminator> blackshell, I dont think so off the top of my head, but I have to ask, why?
[19:15] <Verminator> blackshell, you could try apropos or whatis
[19:16] <blackshell> can info be used for that purpose?
[22:47] <Justin511> Hi
[22:48] <Justin511> Can anyone help me?
[22:48] <Justin511> How do I set up MythTV? It's really confusing
[22:49] <Justin511> Hello?
[22:49] <Justin511> Anyone?
[22:49] <Mohan_chml> Justin511: http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php
[22:50] <Justin511> Thanks, I will try that out
[22:50] <Mohan_chml> Justin511: you saw the community pages about MythTv??
[22:50] <Mohan_chml> if noe, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_mythtvsetup
[22:51] <Justin511> I will try that
[22:51] <Justin511> My head is spinning though this is really confusing
[22:51] <Mohan_chml> relax and search..! that will give you a solution soon :)
[22:51] <Justin511> Thanks :)
[22:52] <Mohan_chml> your welcome (:
[22:52] <Justin511> I have no clue what frontend or backend are
[22:53] <Justin511> I have a TV Tuner with a Motorola box connected to my PC
[22:53] <Justin511> TV tuner is inside
[22:53] <Justin511> worked perfect with Windows
[22:53] <Justin511> =S
[22:55] <Justin511> Mohan?
[22:55] <Mohan_chml> ohai!
[22:55] <Justin511> Can u do remote assistance or something? :P
[22:55] <Mohan_chml> lol gimme a min
[22:55] <Justin511> Okay
[22:56] <Mohan_chml> I have never used 'em. I ll get articles that might help you
[22:56] <Justin511> K
[22:56] <Justin511> I have read over 9000 articles
[22:56] <Mohan_chml> hm,, I ll take a chance ;)
[22:56] <Justin511> Lol k
[22:58] <Mohan_chml> Justin511: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/Install/Troubleshooting
[22:58] <Mohan_chml> have a look at that
[22:58] <Justin511> I shall try it out, thanks
[22:58] <Mohan_chml> and tell me whether you are having a problem in running mythtv-setup
[22:59] <Mohan_chml> in terminal
[22:59] <Mohan_chml> ping my name when you come back
[22:59] <Justin511> ?
[22:59] <Justin511> How do I ping ur name
[22:59] <Justin511> I have run this before
[22:59] <Justin511> It does not work
[23:00] <geirha> Justin511: By putting his nick at the start of a message
[23:00] <Justin511> o
[23:00] <geirha> (Like I just did with you ;))
[23:00] <Mohan_chml> heya geirha :)
[23:01] <geirha> Howdy :)
[23:01] <Mohan_chml> going fine geirha. Its 3:34 AM here xD
[23:01] <Justin511> AH
[23:01] <Mohan_chml> so, its morning (:
[23:01] <Justin511> Forget it!!! I don't even WANT TO WATCH TV
[23:02] <Justin511> FOGET IT
[23:02] <Mohan_chml> Justin511: whats the output of mythtv-setup running in terminal?
[23:02] <Mohan_chml> Justin511: ...?
[23:02] <Justin511> mythtv-backend stop/waiting
[23:02] <Justin511> mythtv-backend start/running, process 29092
[23:03] <Justin511> ?
[23:03] <Mohan_chml> you didn't get any visuals as in the page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_mythtvsetup??
[23:03] <Justin511> No
[23:03] <Justin511> NOt liek that main thing
[23:03] <Justin511> I got some page asking my language
[23:04] <Justin511> I clicked english it saaid No UPnP
[23:04] <Justin511> I click OK
[23:04] <Justin511> Database Config 1/2 pops up
[23:04] <Justin511> Myth could not connect to the database please verify settings
[23:04] <Justin511> what are my settings?
[23:05] <Mohan_chml> are you logged in as root user or you used sudo mythtv-setup?
[23:05] <Justin511> i typed mythtv-setup
[23:05] <Justin511> im the only user so..i guess so
[23:05] <Mohan_chml> It needs you as the root user I guess!
[23:06] <Mohan_chml> type sudo su in terminal, hit enter and follow with mythtv-setup
[23:06] <Mohan_chml> Justin511: utry that
[23:06] <Mohan_chml> try*
[23:07] <Justin511> okay
[23:08] <Justin511> Ah okay thanks its restarting
[23:08] <Justin511> brb
[23:08] <Mohan_chml> kay! :)
[23:12] <Justin511> Me again
[23:12] <Justin511> It still doesn't work
[23:22] <Mohan_chml> Justin511: any errors?
[23:24] <Justin511> Yes
[23:24] <Justin511> Same problem
[23:24] <Mohan_chml> you tried it again as a root user??  Come back and we can discuss(If I didn't sleep :D)
[23:25] <Justin511> Ok :)
[23:26] <Mohan_chml> Tempus_Fugit: I am doing good. Ty and How about ya?
[23:27] <Tempus_Fugit> honestly I am getting frustrated cuz I dont know where to start ....I am older than I should be starting out in this sort of thing but my intentions are to get very good with programming/security/encryption atm I am starting by trying to learn bash inside and out and its very frustrating trying to figure out where to start
[23:28] <Mohan_chml> Tempus_Fugit: you are using ubuntu for how much days?
[23:28] <Mohan_chml> days/months/years
[23:28] <Tempus_Fugit> I have downloaded more pdf files than I can count and sorting thru them all is a pain
[23:29] <Tempus_Fugit> ummmm have had it on my computer for about a year or so only actively using it for about 2 months
[23:29] <Tempus_Fugit> I have a dual boot vista/ubuntu 10.04
[23:30] <Tempus_Fugit> I dont use windows anymore
[23:30] <Mohan_chml> nice. You worked in terminal? to open a drive, to play a music and to write a document? if you had not, then do learn about terminal codes :)
[23:31] <Tempus_Fugit> thats what I am working on
[23:31] <Mohan_chml> hmmm
[23:31] <Tempus_Fugit> things like umm i dunno ... ls -a | grep *".pdf"
[23:32] <Mohan_chml> ah!
[23:32] <Tempus_Fugit> so many things to get to know and how to use I wish I had started way younger
[23:34] <Mohan_chml> Tempus_Fugit: Its not late yet ;)
[23:35] <Tempus_Fugit> I think what I need is a classroom style format
[23:35] <Mohan_chml> Tempus_Fugit: you need people to guide you and give you assignments in learning?
[23:35] <Tempus_Fugit> yes I do
[23:36] <Mohan_chml> okay can you follow our beginners team?
[23:37] <Mohan_chml> Tempus_Fugit: read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Structure
[23:37] <Mohan_chml> we have mentors and you can get a great guidance from our team ;)
[23:38] <Tempus_Fugit> ok cool
[23:38] <Mohan_chml> Tempus_Fugit: you have to create a launchpad account and a wiki page to describe yourself to the worls
[23:38] <Mohan_chml> worls*
[23:38] <Mohan_chml> world* :/ typo :/
[23:39] <Tempus_Fugit> hmm ok
[23:39] <Tempus_Fugit> I will do here in a sec
[23:39] <Tempus_Fugit> brb phone cal
[23:39] <Tempus_Fugit> call
[23:39] <Mohan_chml> (:
[23:44] <Tempus_Fugit> ok I am back
[23:46] <Mohan_chml> good. so, create a launchpad account, write a wiki page in wiki.ubuntu.com, read about beginners team and enroll your name in seeking mentors list and please try to remain here, learn and help others
[23:46] <Mohan_chml> Tempus_Fugit: ^
[23:46] <Tempus_Fugit> yeah I am reading those pages now
[23:47] <Justin511> Mohan_chan
[23:47] <Justin511> Mohan_chml im back
[23:47] <Tempus_Fugit> I have to know something in order to help someone else but If I possess the knowledge I have no problems helping someone else
[23:48] <Mohan_chml> Mohan_chan ?? Whos that Justin511 ? :P
[23:48] <Justin511> Hehe
[23:48] <Tempus_Fugit> I actually enjoy teaching others
[23:48] <Mohan_chml> Tempus_Fugit: you can learn If and only If you see the problems and this channels is a good place to learn a lot and I bet you will know it soon
[23:48] <Mohan_chml> jacob: uso..!
[23:49] <Mohan_chml> aww sorry wrong ping :/
[23:49]  * Mohan_chml is sleeping I think
[23:49] <Mohan_chml> Justin511: so..!
[23:49] <Mohan_chml> ohai uRock
[23:49] <Justin511> Where I was 5 hours ago :( lol
[23:50] <Tempus_Fugit> yes well I have been out of work for a bit so not sure how long I can keep my internet on but this sounds like a good opportunity
[23:50] <Mohan_chml> Justin511: heh. Okay so what is the response after setting your language?
[23:51] <Justin511> One sec
[23:51] <Justin511> Let me see
[23:51]  * Mohan_chml also looks
[23:52] <Justin511> No UPnP
[23:53] <Justin511> Mohan_chml: u see?
[23:54] <Mohan_chml> Justin511: gimme some min too :D
[23:54] <Justin511> K lol
[23:55] <Tempus_Fugit> hey is UTC the same as GMT??
[23:56] <Mohan_chml> Justin511: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=611899&highlight=mythtv+backend+will
[23:56] <Mohan_chml> Justin511: actually I passed through http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1380601
[23:57] <Mohan_chml> Tempus_Fugit: yep!
[23:57] <Justin511> I will check that out, ty
[23:57] <Mohan_chml> (:
[23:57]  * Mohan_chml feels a bit sleepy as the clock shows 4:30
[23:57] <Justin511> o wow lol
[23:57] <Justin511> 7 pm for me :)
[23:58] <Tempus_Fugit>  Next Meeting: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 at 23:00:00 UTC .....was trying to see what time this is for me ???
[23:58] <Tempus_Fugit> thats like 5 pm for me
[23:59] <Mohan_chml> nice
[23:59] <Mohan_chml> Tempus_Fugit: if you have any problem with finding your time, then open terminal and type date -u


[04:21] <mup> Bug #1654136 changed: Removing relationship didn't remove subordinate unit <canonical-bootstack> <juju-core:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1654136>


[01:58] <frew> hey guys, I ran into a really weird bug with mir
[01:58] <frew> I can give any logs or w/e people want
[01:58] <frew> basically, when I was using mir, which I guess came with 14.04?  my keystrokes started to lag after about an hour
[01:59] <frew> more details here: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/144231/why-is-my-keyboard-input-slow-in-xorg and here https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sysdig/yg5_HNbCsuo


[11:20] <ashams> Hello, Translators
[11:20] <ashams> I want to help on the next UDW
[11:21] <ashams> is there any regulations before adding my name
[11:21] <ashams> ?
[11:27] <serfus> ashams, you mean to translate?
[11:27] <ashams> serfus: yes
[11:28] <ashams> serfus: to translate between ppl on Ubuntu Developers Week, En<>Arabic
[11:29] <serfus> looks like you only need to add your name and channel to the list at the bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek
[11:30] <ashams> serfus: I did
[11:31] <serfus> great :)
[11:31] <head_victim> And then tell everyone about it so you have heaps of people to translate for :)
[11:32] <ashams> head_victim: hehe, I'll spread it across the globe ;)
[11:33] <ashams> Is it that easy to create a channel, I made #ubuntu-classroom-chat-ara, is that all
[11:33] <ashams> will ppl be able to join it ?
[11:33] <serfus> ya, let all Arabic speakers know about it... you might want to post to mailing lists, forums and such
[11:34] <serfus> ashams, see http://blog.freenode.net/2008/04/registering-a-channel-on-freenode/ about creating channels
[11:34] <head_victim> ashams: I'd check with the people in #ubuntu-irc to see if there's any special requirements for #ubuntu IRC channels
[11:36] <serfus> there is also an ubuntu specific doc, but it's pretty much the same
[11:36] <serfus> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/CreatingChannels
[11:47] <ashams> serfus head_victim : Thank you
[11:47] <head_victim> You're welcome


[16:23] <ian_brasil> naormal ubuntu on an eeepc is very quick even with compiz but on UNR it is slow..the mouse even judders..any ideas why?..maube it is clutter?
[16:48] <plars> ian_brasil: this is with jaunty?
[16:48] <plars> ian_brasil: on eee900, and 700 too I think, there is a bug with the video driver
[16:49] <plars> ian_brasil: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/349314 has a link to a kernel .deb from apw that contains the fix
[16:50] <ian_brasil> plars: thx
[21:21] <ian_brasil> just ran gtk performance tests on a theme i made on both  unr 344,51s and lxde 194.31s
[22:09] <ramaddan> hi, did the meeting start?
[22:09] <ogra_> yes
[22:10] <ramaddan> I'm new to this, and I was trying to add a new spec to the roadmap, but did not exactly know how to go about it
[22:10] <ogra_> in #ubuntu-meeting
[22:10] <ramaddan> oops, ok, will go there


[07:15] <ochosi> Unit193: just set up xiccd 0.3 - will watch it over the next days to be sure i don't run into that bug again
[07:15] <ochosi> thanks again for packaging!
[07:42] <Unit193> Actually that was just a backport, but sure thing.
[18:00] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- Reminder: Next meeting chair is knome


[05:00] <jlinares> bona tarda
[05:01] <teo> hi
[05:03] <mako> #ubunut-meeting
[05:03] <mako> BUST AN UNBUNUT
[05:03] <jordi> Avall els pantalons! (we need to boost catalan usage in this conference...)
[05:03] <fabbione> ehhehe
[05:03] <jdub> jordi: that is very different to the spanish
[05:04] <jordi> well, it's adifferent language after all :)
[05:04] <jdub> sounds french ;)
[05:04] <seb128> yeah
[05:04] <jordi> jdub: doh, I thought you said "abajo los pantalones"
[05:04] <jordi> They tell me you said "Estoy buscando mis pantalones"
[05:04] <jordi> Sooo, let's make that "Estic cercant els meus pantalons!"
[05:05] <jdub> jordi: oh, avall is "take off"? :)
[05:05] <mako> jdub: avail yourself of your pants
[05:05] <jordi> "abajo" :)
[05:05] <jdub> heh
[05:05] <jdub> mako: NEVER!
[05:05] <jdub> you will have to fight me!
[05:06] <quique> we will...
[05:06] <mako> believe me, i will
[05:06] <lamont__r> agenda item #1 is jdub's pants?
[05:06] <mako> if ubuntu has taught me anything, it's that TOGETHER, ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE
[05:06] <jordi> I need to announce that jdub has been able to deliver a package maaaaany Debian people were waiting for.
[05:06] <quique> and #2 is his underware
[05:06] <jordi> It took like... 4 minutes to prepare.
[05:06] <sivang> jdub : can you see this?
[05:06] <mako> ok, so this meeting
[05:07] <mako> i will "Run" this if nobody else wants to
[05:07] <smurfix_> quique: under_wear_.
[05:07] <quique> i know...
[05:07] <jordi> remember, you said you would not be able to run for 2 minutes.
[05:07] <mako> elmo, Kamion: around?
[05:07] <elmo> yes
[05:08] <Kamion> yes
[05:08] <mako> ok, so the agenda is, AFAIK, empty
[05:08] <smurfix_> It says "Any new maintainers?".
[05:09] <mako> are there are new maintainers for the council to consider this week?
[05:09] <mako> anyone here that wanted to be on that agenda but isn't?
[05:09] <mako> or, any other business folks want to have mentioned?
[05:10] <mako> otherwise, i think we should just do a bit of a summary from the conference and end it.. short and sweet :)
[05:11] <haggai> yesterday there was some discussion about seeds, and the fact there isn't really a defined process for accepting/rejecting seeds
[05:11] <mako> or is this a TB issue?
[05:11] <mako> Kamion?
[05:12] <haggai> did anyone come up with ideas from the discussion yesterday about how this should be done?
[05:12] <jdub> haggai: i'm writing a process document about it
[05:12] <jdub> probably something to propose to the TB next week
[05:13] <haggai> ok
[05:13] <Kamion> mako: kind of crossover; I don't think it needs to be approved by the TB necessarily
[05:13] <haggai> yeah, I think there is a community element to it
[05:13] <Kamion> I guess process for accepting/rejecting proposals needs approval
[05:14] <mako> haggai: do you want to give an executive summary of the problem at least and maybe people can communicate/discussion with jdub etc for something to bring to the TB next week?
[05:14] <elmo> btw, we just  lost bof room upstairs
[05:14] <mako> or anyone else that is willing to do it?
[05:14] <jdub> elmo: hrm?
[05:14] <lamont__r> well, parts of the bof room...
[05:14] <lamont__r> network connectivity crap
[05:14] <jdub> mako: (task to write it was assigned yesterday)
[05:15] <haggai> ok sounds like I missed a vital part :)
[05:15] <mako> jdub: is it worth doing a summary of the problem
[05:15] <jdub> haggai: i think you're right that it is both CC and TB relevant
[05:15] <haggai> summary is basically, there isn't one.  A procedure, that is.
[05:15] <jdub> mako: yeah
[05:16] <jdub> currently we are in perpetual seed freeze
[05:16] <jdub> with matt and i confirming changes as required
[05:16] <jdub> at the moment, we are confirming things that are required to continue development
[05:16] <jdub> such as new dependencies, etc.
[05:17] <jdub> but we also have the open proposals (see SeedManagement on the wiki)
[05:17] <jdub> there is no documented process or responsibility for ensuring those proposals are dealt with
[05:18] <mako> so it's a process issue for getting packages added to hoary basically?
[05:18] <jdub> added to base/desktop/supported
[05:18] <jdub> we'll have to have a bigger discussion about universe and multiverse
[05:19] <mdz> mako, basically
[05:19] <mdz> we know what the requirements are for the process
[05:19] <mdz> but it has not been written yet
[05:20] <elmo> mdz lives
[05:20] <mdz> barely
[05:21] <mako> for those that are not in mataro, mdz is sick
[05:21] <Kamion> and then there's the illness
[05:21] <mako> and sabdfl is away for a couple days
[05:21] <mako> Kamion: :)
[05:21] <Kamion> should be back tomorrow morning or so
[05:21] <jdub> (ripe for coup_
[05:21] <mako> jdub: alright, so we should definitely move quickly..
[05:21] <mako> i mean, with the seed prososal document
[05:21] <mako> right
[05:22] <jordi> mdz: ugh, I didn't know :/
[05:22] <fabbione> (that's because mdz didn't have enough burbon yesterday night btw)
[05:24] <mako> ok
[05:24] <mako> so i am happy to do an update for folks not at the conference
[05:24] <mako> and then we can call it quits unless other people have things
[05:25] <mako> about 50 of us have arrived in mataro already i believe
[05:25] <mako> and we've had two days of the conference almost over
[05:26] <mako> almost all of the canonical employess are here already
[05:26] <mako> and the rest are guests from spain a and from outside who have come
[05:26] <mako> we've had a handful of bofs on a number of topics.. yesterday saw the hoary feature goals LOVEFEST
[05:27] <mako> and a bof on seedmanagement and an effort by myself and some others on input methods
[05:28] <mako> we are also talking a bit about anothre canoncial project called launchpad
[05:28] <mdz> the process needs to ensure that proposed packages meet the criteria, which are fairly well-specified
[05:28] <mdz> and that there is an opportunity for discussion
[05:29] <mako> which includes a number of tools that, in the near future, ubuntu will be using to make making ubuntu easier.. and doing a whole lot of other things that involve working on free software and open source in general easier as well
[05:30] <mako> we'll be having an open day with lots of other people from barcelona and beyond this satruday
[05:30] <mako> and other than taht we will focus on a handful of bofs and sessions a day and a lot of hacking :)
[05:31] <mako> that's my summary :)
[05:31] <mako> so is there anything else?
[05:31] <mako> Kamion, elmo?
[05:32] <elmo> not from me
[05:32] <mako> alright then..
[05:32] <mako> next tuesday for the TB meeting and two weeks from today for the next CC meeting
[05:32] <Kamion> nothing from me
[05:33] <Kamion> thanks for the summary
[05:33] <mako> maybe an agenda next week :)
[05:33] <mako> or in two weeks
[05:33] <Kamion> let's hope so :)
[05:33] <Kamion> the CC has been quiet agenda-wise recently
[05:33] <Kamion> which I'm not entirely sure is a good thing, but we can talk about that later :)
[05:33] <jordi> mako is mine now. We have... issues to solve.
[05:33] <mako> Kamion: i share you concern
[05:35] <mako> thanks everyone for coming!
[05:35] <mako> laptop bof will be starting for those in mataro


[20:36] <Fallen> Hi jamiec ! You are generally in the right place, I'd also recommend subscribing to https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc . There are a few different areas to participate, do you want to tell us more about what you are interested in?


[22:41] <rsalveti> ogra_: right, there was a race which we fixed last friday
[22:41] <Hashcode> zzarr: actually which device?
[22:41] <asac> doanac: so one thing is that if there is ever two devices connected, it would never get an IP i am sure
[22:41] <ogra_> annerajb, so did you repo sync since friday ?
[22:42] <ogra_> to get that fix
[22:42] <zzarr> I'm not able to find it under device/motorola/maserati
[22:42] <doanac> asac: why can't 2 devices connect?
[22:42] <asac> doanac: but waiting for cyper to confirm if nmcli c status can have a list length > 1
[22:42] <asac> doanac: well if you check how it remembers iface
[22:42] <Hashcode> zzarr: yeah someone else mentioned it was missing over the weekend.  I'll have to see what happened.
[22:42] <doanac> ah - 2 connections on the phone
[22:42] <asac> doanac: and then how it waits for IP ...
[22:42] <asac> then it would never succeed on IP
[22:42] <zzarr> okey
[22:42] <Hashcode> zzarr: Droid 4?
[22:42] <zzarr> yes
[22:42] <asac> doanac: right... like ifconfig |grep wlan0eth0
[22:42] <zzarr> Droid 4 is correct
[22:43] <Hashcode> use this as vendor/motorola/maserati: git@github.com:STS-Dev-Team/android_vendor_motorola_maserati.git
[22:43] <asac> doanac: but wouldn't explain flakyness... at least we can see now if it fails during IP or during device bringup :)
[22:43] <asac> which can be helpfull.. and get a dump of all connections
[22:43] <Hashcode> and this as vendor/motorola/omap4-common: git@github.com:STS-Dev-Team/android_vendor_motorola_common.git
[22:43] <doanac> yep
[22:43] <Hashcode> zzarr: and let me know if that works
[22:44] <zzarr> what is the exact line I should write in my terminal?
[22:44] <Hashcode> sorry, you'll need to add that to a file in .repo.local_manifests
[22:44] <Hashcode> er .repo/local_manifests
[22:44] <Hashcode> Lemme get you a pastebin
[22:44] <zzarr> okey, thanks
[22:45] <Hashcode> I should say this tho
[22:45] <Hashcode> the motorola omap4 builds are broken atm
[22:45] <annerajb> ogra_: i did all this checkouts last night so it should have but let me run it again.
[22:45] <Hashcode> rsalveti: the ubuntu first swap is now live in the builds right?
[22:45] <asac> awe_: so ifconfig -a on maguro is quite busy
[22:45] <asac> awe_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5879047/
[22:46] <awe_> and?
[22:46] <asac> awe_: any clue what all that stuff is?
[22:46] <awe_> radio stuff
[22:46] <Hashcode> zzarr: i need to do some catchup on the Moto's.  We can't support the Ubuntu first build style in safestrap yet. :/
[22:46] <ogra_> good stuff :)
[22:46] <rsalveti> Hashcode: I'm also rebasing our code to match CM 10.1.2
[22:47] <asac> awe_: do you know if nmcli c status can never return more than one device?
[22:47] <asac> err connection?
[22:47] <rsalveti> that might help getting the remaining stuff that is needed to be more compatible with some other devices
[22:47] <Hashcode> rsalveti: that will help, but I still need to patch the boot menu stuff
[22:47] <rsalveti> right
[22:47] <zzarr> how long before a fix do you think?
[22:47] <awe_> asac, not sure what you're asking?
[22:47] <asac> hmm
[22:47] <Hashcode> zzarr: probably about a week.  We just got the Moto QCOM's up and running.
[22:47] <Hashcode> But those are unlocked, so it was easier
[22:48] <zzarr> a week :D, that's nothing
[22:48] <awe_> asac, AFAIK nmcli dev will show a connection for mobile  /ril_0, and a connection for wifi ( wlan0 )
[22:48] <Hashcode> Don't hate me if it doesn't happen right away :)  Might need a new version of Safestrap to make it work.
[22:48] <asac> awe_: can 'nmcli -t -f devices c status | wc -l' ever be > 1 ?
[22:48] <asac> awe_: yeah... this code uses "con" and not "dev"
[22:48] <zzarr> do you think I'll be able to run a full ubuntu desktop on my lapdock?
[22:49] <Hashcode> zzarr: not until we finish the HDMI fixes.
[22:49] <asac> awe_: so i assume it could be that it goes and has two connections with status?
[22:49] <asac> awe_: do you have a device that is connected to 3g and wifi at hand?
[22:49] <asac> what do you get?
[22:49] <asac> nmcli -t -f devices c status
[22:49] <ogra_> asac, what do you want to achieve ?
[22:49] <awe_> asac, no..booting it now
[22:49]  * awe_ was busily writing code & unit tests
[22:50] <zzarr> where will I be able to find the fix? (once it's done)
[22:50] <asac> ogra_: well, we have a central script in our infrastructure that uses something that would fail to detect that network is up
[22:50] <asac> if there was ever more than one line coming back
[22:50] <asac> e.g. one entry for wlan0 and one for ril0
[22:50] <Hashcode> zzarr: oh you'll see it fixed in CM
[22:50] <Hashcode> first
[22:50] <Hashcode> zzarr: and I can't gaurantee it'll work via lapdock
[22:50] <ogra_> asac, route -n|grep ^0 ... then split off the last item
[22:50] <zzarr> okey
[22:50] <Hashcode> zzarr: the idea was to support the native HDMI output tho
[22:51] <awe_> asac, for what purpose, is this a test suite?
[22:51] <asac> no
[22:51] <asac> what is done is:
[22:51] <asac> iface=`nmcli -t -f devices c status`
[22:51] <zzarr> so HDMI don't work in cm?
[22:51] <asac> to get the iface
[22:51] <asac> and then
[22:51] <awe_> asac, for what purpose???
[22:51] <asac> to figure whether a device has a connection :()
[22:51]  * ogra_ is wonderig that too
[22:51] <Hashcode> zzarr: that's right.  We're still demangling the HDMI driver in the kernel from Motorola's code.
[22:51] <asac> awe_: whether its online
[22:51] <asac> thats in phablet-network-setup :)
[22:52] <ogra_> asac, so just sheck if it has a route
[22:52] <awe_> ah... OK
[22:52] <asac> https://code.launchpad.net/~asac/phablet-tools/check-device-ip-state-after-sleep
[22:52] <ogra_> instead of all that nmcli stuff
[22:52] <asac> err
[22:52] <asac> lp is broken
[22:52] <awe_> phablet-network-setup should go away as soon as we get working indicators
[22:52] <awe_> cough, hack...
[22:52] <zzarr> do you think it's possible for you to notify me when it's fixed?
[22:52] <asac> awe_: do you see the code? struggling to use bzr on lp :)
[22:53] <asac> awe_: so i feel that code mighyt fail miserably to figure that there is an IP :)
[22:53] <Hashcode> zzarr: I really can't make "notification" lists :/  I have too many different devices for that. :(
[22:53] <asac> if it runs into ril0 and wlan0 up
[22:53] <asac> awe_: can you confirm?
[22:53] <asac> look at the tr -d '\r'
[22:53] <asac> whats that? crack?
[22:53] <Hashcode> zzarr: I'd watch the CM 10.1 build threads and you'll see the shouts of joy once we fix HDMI
[22:53] <zzarr> yes
[22:54] <Hashcode> zzarr: are you running a custom ROM
[22:54] <Hashcode> zzarr: ?
[22:54] <ogra_> asac, ask the author ?
[22:54] <aloisiojr> hi all, after the flipped image, how can i use setprop/getprop inside the android-chroot?
[22:54] <zzarr> the stock rom with custom apps
[22:54] <annerajb> ogra_: i ran it. it didnt work.
[22:54] <ogra_> aloisiojr, you can use it from ubuntu, not in the chroot
[22:54] <annerajb> make: *** No rule to make target `/home/annerabj/android/out/target/product/epicmtd/ubuntu-boot.img', needed by `/home/annerabj/android/out/target/product/epicmtd/obj/PACKAGING/target_files_intermediates/cm_epicmtd-target_files-eng.annerabj.zip'.  Stop.
[22:55] <zzarr> I live in Sweden and there for have a version with fixed GSM
[22:55] <asac> ogra_: well, i just wanted the answer if nmcli c status can give me more than one result :) but guess only cypher knows it
[22:55] <rsalveti> annerajb: after repo sync?
[22:55] <annerajb> ogra_: yup
[22:55] <Hashcode> zzarr: yeah the CM build doesn't support GSM very well on the Droid 4.
[22:55] <rsalveti> annerajb: if so, mind pasting your entire log?
[22:55] <awe_> asac, to answer your question posed above, yes the count can be greater than 1
[22:55] <asac> awe_: how about just using:
[22:55] <annerajb> rsalveti: how can i do a make clean with brunch?
[22:55] <asac> awe_: nm-tool | grep State:.*connected.*global
[22:55] <asac> :)
[22:56] <asac> is there a shorthand to nm-tool to just output the status?
[22:56] <ogra_> asac, well, i wouldnt use all that toplevel stuff anyway in scripts
[22:56] <rsalveti> annerajb: I usually just call 'make clean'
[22:56] <asac> ogra_: well. thats you :)
[22:56] <ogra_> there are more elegant ways :)
[22:56] <rsalveti> it removes the stuff from out/
[22:56] <aloisiojr> ogra_: i see, is there any way to run a native android app making use of the properties?
[22:56] <awe_> how 'bout getting rid of the tool, and making indicator work
[22:56] <asac> ogra_: elegant is a matter of taste :)
[22:56] <awe_> ;D
[22:56] <annerajb> rsalveti:i do too thought wasnt sure since i thought brunch was some sort of replacement to make
[22:56] <rsalveti> asac: "as always; this code is there for inspiration and haven't tested it."
[22:56] <asac> awe_: well. we need to check if device is online during provisioning in lab
[22:56] <rsalveti> lol
[22:56] <asac> so that doesnt help
[22:56] <rsalveti> who do you want to inspire?
[22:57] <aloisiojr> i noticed that set the properties outside the android chroot does not make any effect inside it
[22:57] <asac> rsalveti: because i didnt have a working device at all
[22:57] <asac> until i solved it :)
[22:57] <rsalveti> annerajb: it calls make later on
[22:57] <asac> i think it should be made better this way
[22:57] <asac> but i have no idea how to effectively work :) ... i guess thats what i mean
[22:57] <rsalveti> aloisiojr: should make
[22:57] <ogra_> aloisiojr, how do you know ?
[22:57] <annerajb> rsalveti: running it again while saving the output
[22:58] <rsalveti> aloisiojr: they are sharing the same property system
[22:58] <rsalveti> which is the android init
[22:58] <zzarr> okey, but people are working on a solution, I havn't seen any activity for a while and thought maybe my phone wasn't "interesting" any more
[22:58] <rsalveti> so if you run 'sudo setprop foobar barfoo', you'll see that var inside android as well
[22:58] <ogra_> aloisiojr, note that android-chroot doesnt get you into the running environment, it only chroots into the container
[22:58] <aloisiojr> rsalveti: fact 1: getprop <no params> returns nothing
[22:58] <zzarr> sorry for poor english, it's not native
[22:58] <rsalveti> right, might be the issue with android-chroot
[22:58] <aloisiojr> ogra_: i know
[22:58] <rsalveti> I'd recommend you setting up adb to start inside the android container
[22:58] <rsalveti> and then use it from there
[22:59] <ogra_> rsalveti, well, its an issue with lxc shielding the container
[22:59] <rsalveti> either via usb or tcp
[22:59] <ogra_> we dont really have a way to enter it
[22:59] <rsalveti> aloisiojr: do you have wifi working in there?
[22:59] <aloisiojr> rsalveti: fact 2: the property I've set is not making any effect
[22:59] <ogra_> right, switching adb over is one of the options
[22:59] <rsalveti> if so, it's easier to use adb over usb, running it inside android
[22:59] <aloisiojr> rsalveti: no, it's not working
[22:59] <Hashcode> zzarr: you're doing just fine w/ English.  I've heard much worse from native speakers.
[22:59] <aloisiojr> rsalveti: weird question :P
[23:00] <rsalveti> aloisiojr: inside the device :P
[23:00] <Hashcode> zzarr: Mainly, it's my dev time that's been limited lately.  Too many devices.
[23:00] <aloisiojr> rsalveti: yes, i understood that, no, the wifi inside the device is not working
[23:00] <ogra_> Hashcode, send some over ... if that frees up your time i'll happily take some new devices
[23:00] <zzarr> I would realy like to help, so once HDMI is fixed and saftstrap can install ubuntu I'll install and tell what I think of it
[23:00] <ogra_> :)
[23:01] <rsalveti> aloisiojr: right, then you can still use adb over tcp, let me get you the commands
[23:01] <aloisiojr> rsalveti: nice
[23:01] <Hashcode> ogra_ Lol, I hope you can take over about 10.
[23:01] <asac> so the jenkins bot was attached to my merge request
[23:01] <Hashcode> That would leave me a nice 4-5 to support.
[23:01] <asac> does that mean someone looked at it and tries it now?
[23:02] <Hashcode> zzarr: I'd also look around, I had heard it was possible to get GSM working on CM10.1 but I don't use it on a GSM network so I can't confirm.
[23:02] <ogra_> asac, yeah, a virtual butler ...
[23:02] <asac> ogra_: how does it decide that i am a trustworthy contributor?
[23:02] <ogra_> asac, PS Jenkins is just running automatically ... has no humans attached
[23:02] <zzarr> hashcode, is there any thing I can do?
[23:02] <zzarr> (to help)
[23:03] <Hashcode> zzarr: not really :/
[23:03] <ogra_> it just checks if you i.e. have a commit message set and if it can be built
[23:03] <asac> i got booted from all ubuntu teams recently, so i would define myself as a not trustworthy guy by the powers of policy :)
[23:03] <Hashcode> thanks tho
[23:03]  * asac grumbles
[23:03] <asac> ok
[23:03] <ogra_> asac, iirc the canonical team has some specialities
[23:04] <asac> ok
[23:04] <ogra_> and that one you cant leave :)
[23:04] <ogra_> (unless you resign)
[23:04] <asac> is there no button? :)
[23:04]  * asac needs to try for the sake of checking our infrastructure
[23:04] <ogra_> it is fully moderated
[23:04] <asac> so even leaving i can't without approval?
[23:04] <asac> that would be odd
[23:04] <rsalveti> aloisiojr: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5879086/
[23:05] <asac> ogra_: i have a "leave the teawm" button :)
[23:05] <asac> lol
[23:05] <ogra_> asac, i never had the urge to try :)
[23:05] <asac> i guess thats the way you express if you cant to quit
[23:05] <asac> guess if i quit i will use that way :)
[23:05] <asac> no mail, nothing
[23:05] <asac> just leave team
[23:05] <zzarr> May I wounder what's the problem with the HDMI driver? (is it impossible to use the stock one?)
[23:05] <rsalveti> aloisiojr: but if getprop, when running from the ubuntu side, is not working properly, then you might be missing some changes in android
[23:06] <rsalveti> aloisiojr: http://phablet.ubuntu.com/gitweb?p=CyanogenMod/android_system_core.git;a=commit;h=b721b9ca28de2f69810cd98ff676c4265cc39a49
[23:07] <rsalveti> the communication goes all via /dev/socket/property_service (which is a socket created by the android init service)
[23:07] <aloisiojr> rsalveti: getprop is working from the ubuntu side
[23:07] <ogra_> well, setprop should too :)
[23:07] <rsalveti> aloisiojr: and setprop?
[23:07] <rsalveti> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# setprop foo bar
[23:07] <rsalveti> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# getprop foo
[23:07] <rsalveti> bar
[23:07] <ogra_> unless you dont have the right permissions for the socket
[23:07] <rsalveti> right
[23:07] <aloisiojr> ogra_: rsalveti: both are working
[23:07] <rsalveti> cool
[23:08] <aloisiojr> only from the ubuntu side
[23:08] <rsalveti> then you should be able to follow what is in http://paste.ubuntu.com/5879086/
[23:08] <aloisiojr> rsalveti: i'll try
[23:09]  * rsalveti bbl
[23:09] <rsalveti> aloisiojr: let me know if it didn't work
[23:09] <rsalveti> time for some dinner
[23:09] <ogra_> heh, dinner
[23:10] <aloisiojr> rsalveti: so, I won't tell you anything, it did work :P
[23:10]  * rsalveti kicks ogra_
[23:10] <ogra_> haha
[23:10] <ogra_> better kick unity8
[23:10] <rsalveti> late for you already
[23:10] <ogra_> :P
[23:10] <ogra_> nah, early again :)
[23:10] <rsalveti> yeah, that's hopeless
[23:10] <ogra_> 1am here
[23:10] <rsalveti> aloisiojr: great
[23:10] <ogra_> not later than for asac
[23:11] <rsalveti> but asac is still in the wrong timezone
[23:11] <aloisiojr> rsalveti: ogra_: tks
[23:11]  * ogra_ is always in a mid atlantic TZ ...
[23:15] <zzarr> hashcode, when the fix is out, will you upload a new  phablet-yyyymmdd-cm_maserati.zip?
[23:30] <annerajb> ogra_: OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM warning: /bin/bash: line 1:  5898 Killed                  javac -J-Xmx512M -target 1.5 -Xmaxerrs 9999999 -encoding UTF-8 -extdirs ""
[23:30] <annerajb> ogra_: java vm out of memory?
[23:30] <asac> rsalveti: no i am here :)
[23:30] <asac> in EU
[23:31] <asac> not saying my body is though :)
[23:31] <asac> but its 1:30
[23:31] <ogra_> annerajb, what do you do with java ?
[23:31] <annerajb> ogra_: me nothing make this: host Java: bouncycastle-host (/home/annerabj/android/out/host/common/obj/JAVA_LIBRARIES/bouncycastle-host_intermediates/classes)
[23:32] <ogra_> annerajb, i think you dont want that ... sergiusens and rsalveti are better at this though :)
[23:33] <annerajb> rsalveti: sergiusens any idea why this is building when i run make?
[23:33] <ogra_> afaik java is only used to sign the zip at the very end of the build .... if there are other java invocations they are most likely wrong
[23:33] <ogra_> (i.e. you should disable building this bit)
[23:33] <sergiusens> ogra_: not used to sign the zip anymore, I removed that part
[23:33] <ogra_> ah, so we dont need it at all
[23:33] <ogra_> so it is *definitely* wrong then :)
[23:33] <sergiusens> annerajb: what requires bouncycastle?
[23:34] <sergiusens> might be something device specific
[23:34] <annerajb> ogra_: then why it's on my make? i did repo sync like and hour ago
[23:34] <ogra_> annerajb, and what arte you building for ?
[23:34] <ogra_> *are
[23:34] <annerajb> epicmtd device.
[23:34] <sergiusens> annerajb: run mka showcommands
[23:35] <ogra_> annerajb, if you are porting for a device it pulled that stuff in from your device repo ... thats the actual porting work you have to do :)
[23:35] <ogra_> drop that bit from your devices build setup
[23:35] <annerajb> ogra_: that makes sense.
[23:35] <sergiusens> annerajb: do you have the device repo at hand?
[23:35]  * sergiusens is cooking right now and warns people to expect delays
[23:35] <mterry> rsalveti, in your mir branch of session-manager-touch, I think maybe you forgot to bzr add the lxc override files?
[23:36] <annerajb> sergiusens: no idea where is that file? .repo/manifest.xml?
[23:37] <sergiusens> annerajb: first run 'mka showcommands' it will give you a better idea of why it fails
[23:38] <annerajb> sergiusens: it failed again let me get the output.
[23:40] <ogra_> mterry, lxc override files should come from lxc-android-config (unless there is something strange with the Mir branch)
[23:42] <mterry> ogra_, ::shrug:: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/session-manager-touch/with-mir/view/head:/debian/ubuntu-touch-session.install
[23:43] <ogra_> mterry, oh, weird
[23:43]  * ogra_ wonders why thats needed
[23:44] <ogra_> oh
[23:44] <ogra_> heh
[23:44] <asac> last for now: https://code.launchpad.net/~asac/phablet-tools/wait-for-online-with-nm-tool/+merge/174893
[23:44] <ogra_> it isnt upstart job overrides ... it is in-container-overrides
[23:44] <ogra_> lol
[23:44] <ogra_> mterry, ignore me :)
[23:45] <asac> sergiusens: https://code.launchpad.net/~asac/phablet-tools/wait-for-online-with-nm-tool/+merge/174893
[23:45] <asac> not sure if you are the reviwer/owner of this stuff
[23:45] <asac> note it includes two other commits in separate merges
[23:46] <asac> err wait
[23:46] <asac> that was dump :)
[23:48] <popey> ogra_: should phablet-flash grab a new file today?
[23:48] <popey> ogra_: sorry, just got in
[23:48] <asac> sergiusens: https://code.launchpad.net/~asac/phablet-tools/wait-for-online-with-nm-tool/+merge/174894
[23:49] <asac> that one is the better one
[23:49] <ogra_> popey, there is one in pending, but it has the wlan issue still
[23:49] <asac> ogra_: the new image doesnt fix it?
[23:49] <popey> hmm, phablet-flash isn't finding it
[23:49] <ogra_> asac, unity8 doesnt build
[23:50] <ogra_> popey, well, there is 15.2
[23:50] <ogra_> it should find it
[23:50] <asac> ogra_: so you said we still dont have a build with the wifi fixed?
[23:50] <asac> say
[23:50] <ogra_> yes
[23:50] <popey> Download directory set to /home/alan/Downloads/phablet-flash/ubuntu-touch/20130714
[23:50] <asac> ogra_: and the reason is again that unity8 in ppa failed?
[23:50] <asac> after we uploaded the wifi fix?
[23:50] <popey> thats me running phablet-flash -d mako
[23:50] <asac> or was the wifi fix the stuff that triggerted build failure?
[23:51] <ogra_> asac, Saviq and rsalveti were working on it ...  but the first attempt the compiler fell over for unknown reasons, the second attempt jenkins  had a java error
[23:51] <ogra_> dunno if they tried a third time yet
[23:52] <asac> so the fixed by unity8 mp?
[23:52] <popey>   Installed: 0.15+13.10.20130712-0ubuntu1
[23:52] <ogra_> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/next/+packages?field.name_filter=unity8&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=saucy
[23:53] <ogra_> we wait for a 20130715
[23:53] <ogra_> ogra@nusakan:~$ ls -l /srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/www/full/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/|grep pending
[23:53] <ogra_> lrwxrwxrwx 1 cdimage cdimage   10 Jul 15 17:44 pending -> 20130715.2
[23:53] <ogra_> popey, ^^^
[23:54] <ogra_> must be phablet-flash
[23:54] <popey> dont understand why it's not grabbing pending
[23:54] <sergiusens> ogra_: let me check
[23:54]  * popey pokes sergiusens
[23:54] <sergiusens> should of been fixed
[23:54] <ogra_> ah, just a lazy popey then :)
[23:54] <ogra_> upgrade !
[23:54] <ogra_> :)
[23:54] <popey> wat
[23:54] <popey> 00:52:08 < popey>   Installed: 0.15+13.10.20130712-0ubuntu1
[23:55] <sergiusens> popey: do you want pending or current? current works fine here
[23:55] <ogra_> (/me was kidding)
[23:55] <ogra_> sergiusens, pending
[23:55] <asac> ogra_: so that kind of sucks, right?
[23:55] <sergiusens> popey: Saving to: ‘/home/sergiusens/Downloads/phablet-flash/ubuntu-touch/20130715.2/saucy-preinstalled-touch-armhf.zip’
[23:55] <ogra_> and that used to work ...
[23:55] <sergiusens> still works
[23:55] <asac> e.g. that unity8 is always failing
[23:55] <ogra_> asac, well, i slowly get used to it :P
[23:55] <asac> this ppa has like 26/2
[23:56] <asac> fail/success ratio
[23:56] <ogra_> heh, yeah
[23:56] <popey> sergiusens: what command you running?
[23:56] <sergiusens> ogra_: popey I'm guessing proxy
[23:56] <asac> it never works :/
[23:56] <sergiusens> popey: phablet-flash -D -d maguro --pending
[23:56] <asac> wth
[23:56] <asac> i hope this ppa gest wiped and re-setup regularly :)
[23:56] <ogra_> heh
[23:56] <sergiusens> asac: the next ppa will most likely never dissappear
[23:57] <sergiusens> unless theres a big push for it
[23:57] <ogra_> sergiusens, well, it would help if things in it could actually build :)
[23:57] <asac> right
[23:57] <asac> that was my point
[23:57] <sergiusens> popey: let me plug my device
[23:58] <ogra_> asac, honestly i think that were rather builder issues than PPA related
[23:58] <sergiusens> when we were opening up we had to use daily release for some reason
[23:58] <sergiusens> ogra_: yeah, the builders are very sensitive
[23:58] <ogra_> it would have failed in daily too ...
[23:58] <asac> is daily release devirtualized?
[23:59] <asac> or why is that better?
[23:59] <ogra_> the compiler fell over first ... then jenkins had a java error
[23:59]  * ogra_ doesnt know if it is virtualized or not ... but the erros are more in the infra. around than in the PPA itself
[23:59] <asac> ogra_: i dont even see the build failure


[00:27] <humphreybc> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/04/omg-ubuntu-podcast-launching-next-week.html
[00:38] <humphreybc> i wonder who the kiwi could be? :P
[00:43] <godbyk> probably depends on which kiwi is awake at the time. ;-)
[00:58] <humphreybc> lol
[00:58] <humphreybc> i'm installing PS CS3 in an XP virtualbox... wish me luck
[00:59] <semioticrobotic> oh dear
[00:59] <semioticrobotic> good luck with that
[01:00] <humphreybc> yeah
[01:00] <humphreybc> i needs more rams
[01:01] <semioticrobotic> when will your interview on Full Circle air, humphreybc?
[01:02] <humphreybc> about the 22nd i think
[01:03] <semioticrobotic> cool
[01:03] <semioticrobotic> looking forward to it
[01:03] <humphreybc> it's long :P
[01:03] <semioticrobotic> good!
[01:03] <humphreybc> bout 40mins
[01:04] <semioticrobotic> are they editing it?  or just unleashing your diatribe upon the world, uncut
[01:04] <humphreybc> editing it thank god haha
[01:04] <semioticrobotic> haha
[01:04] <semioticrobotic> well, I always enjoy the podcast, so this will be a highlight for sure
[01:05] <humphreybc> awesome
[01:05] <humphreybc> do you listen to uupc?
[01:05] <semioticrobotic> produced by the UK Loco team?
[01:05] <humphreybc> yea
[01:05] <semioticrobotic> just started!  listened to another episode this afternoon, as a matter of fact
[01:06] <semioticrobotic> what a great show
[01:06] <humphreybc> it is good
[01:06] <humphreybc> i was meant to be on that too but i slept in, forgot all about it!
[01:06] <semioticrobotic> and now the folks at OMG! are doing one, it seems
[01:06] <humphreybc> i think i'll be on that after Lucid
[01:06] <humphreybc> folks at OMG! = me and Joey
[01:06] <semioticrobotic> awesome ... that's big-time press
[01:06] <semioticrobotic> ha!  really?
[01:06] <humphreybc> (I'm the other half of OMG)
[01:06] <semioticrobotic> I had no idea
[01:06] <humphreybc> hehe yeah, i've been a writer for a few weeks
[01:06] <semioticrobotic> but that's wonderful
[01:07] <humphreybc> we're trying to work out what we're going to do differently to the others, skyping with joey about it soon (if he comes online!)
[01:07] <semioticrobotic> I was wondering how that podcast would exist within the Ubuntu podcast space
[01:07] <humphreybc> it won't be as good in terms of quality as we'll be skyping from opposite sides of the world (whereas the uupc guys all sit in a room with mics)
[01:07] <semioticrobotic> where's Joey?
[01:07] <humphreybc> UK
[01:08] <semioticrobotic> gotcha
[01:08] <semioticrobotic> yeah, that's a bit tough
[01:08] <humphreybc> meh, we know there are already lots of podcasts, but hey, there are lots of podcasts about apple, why not ubuntu?
[01:08] <semioticrobotic> but other podcasts do it ... so it must be possible
[01:08] <semioticrobotic> exactly
[01:09] <humphreybc> anyway we want to do it just for a bit of fun ourselves and I think OMG!'s 10,000+ subscribers will like it
[01:09] <semioticrobotic> I'll be listening
[01:09] <humphreybc> we'll do a podcast when i'm at UDS too
[01:09] <humphreybc> which will be neat
[01:09] <semioticrobotic> Ubuntu podcasts are my favorite distraction
[01:09] <semioticrobotic> that'll be excellent
[01:09] <humphreybc> i might run around with a mic and interview some people at UDS like Mark and Jono and stuff
[01:10] <semioticrobotic> interviews with those folks would certainly put your podcast on the map
[01:10] <humphreybc> but yeah, OMG! will be covering UDS pretty thoroughly
[01:10] <semioticrobotic> nice ... i'm anxious to hear the coverage
[01:10] <semioticrobotic> "the perfect 10.10"
[01:10] <humphreybc> i'll be there physically and Joey was meant to come too but he has to work for those weeks
[01:10] <humphreybc> heh
[01:10] <humphreybc> it'll be good fun
[01:11] <semioticrobotic> I'd offer to submit some content, but have absolutely no idea what I could contribute
[01:12] <humphreybc> :) if you think of something or write a good article you'd like us to repost, let me know
[01:12] <semioticrobotic> cool ... will do
[01:12] <humphreybc> photoshop appears to be working! yay!
[01:12] <semioticrobotic> even with limited rams?
[01:13] <humphreybc> yeah
[01:13] <humphreybc> i've given the virtual box 1GB
[01:13] <semioticrobotic> should be enough for CS3, yeah
[01:13] <humphreybc> magic
[01:14] <semioticrobotic> heh
[01:15] <semioticrobotic> alright, time to power down for the night
[01:15] <semioticrobotic> good to chat with you, humphreybc
[01:15] <humphreybc> see ya bryan!
[01:15] <semioticrobotic> now that we're not squashing editing bugs, catching folks in the channel is hard
[01:16] <semioticrobotic> meeting this weekend?
[01:16] <humphreybc> yeah i think we'll have to have a meeting
[01:16] <semioticrobotic> right-o
[01:16] <semioticrobotic> I think I'm available
[01:16] <semioticrobotic> take care, benjamin
[01:16] <humphreybc> see ya!
[02:00] <humphreybc> godbyk, http://www.flickr.com/photos/humphreybc/4518956963/sizes/o/
[02:01] <godbyk> 'kay. gimme the spiel. what's this design trying to achieve?
[04:14] <Red_HamsterX> He needs to stop leaving before I can ask what he wanted to talk to me about...
[04:18] <godbyk> heh
[04:18] <godbyk> he'll be back.
[04:18] <godbyk> he's just rebooting.
[04:18] <godbyk> he's trying to get his scanner working or something.
[04:35] <godbyk> Red_HamsterX: humphreybc's here now.
[04:42] <humphreybc> godbyk, we should probably move the website over to its own branch before release
[04:42] <godbyk> I agree.
[04:43] <godbyk> Just waiting to hear back from Adnane.
[04:45] <humphreybc> ok
[05:06] <Red_HamsterX> humphreybc, do you still need my attention?
[05:06] <Red_HamsterX> (You PMed me about twenty hours ago)
[05:07] <humphreybc> nope :)
[05:07] <humphreybc> thanks tho!
[05:07] <Red_HamsterX> 'Kay.
[08:33] <vish> humphreybc: screenshots would probably need an update again ;p
[08:34] <humphreybc> ...
[08:34]  * vish runs
[08:34] <humphreybc> was it you who updated the icons?
[08:35] <vish> humphreybc:  yup , me and Dan , the orange was removed from almost every icon
[08:35] <humphreybc> lol
[08:35] <humphreybc> oh well
[09:05] <thorwil> vish: there really should be a layer between applications and there interfaces, allowing to take "shots" of there state to then render them with theming arguments
[09:27] <thorwil> godbyk: you added the translated titlepage SVGs to the branch? what's titlepage-*.svg?
[09:29] <godbyk-android2> thorwil: I think those are the translated svgs.
[09:30] <godbyk-android2> thorwil: did I actually add the svgs to the branch? I only intended to add the script.
[09:30] <thorwil> godbyk: bzr status doesn't list them as unknown
[09:31] <godbyk-android> I added them to the ignore file.
[09:40]  * thorwil checks .bzrignore
[09:57] <ubuntujenkins> morning all
[09:59] <thorwil> morning!
[09:59] <thorwil> wtf, skype knows no Great Britain, no England?
[10:00] <ubuntujenkins> what?
[10:01] <thorwil> in add a skype contact, country/region list, i can't find Great Britain, Britain or England
[10:02] <dutchie> UK?
[10:02] <dutchie> United Kingdom?
[10:03] <thorwil> but of course!
[10:03] <thorwil> shoot me!
[10:03] <dutchie> officially, it's "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland"
[10:03] <dutchie> commonly abbreviated to "UK"
[10:03] <ubuntujenkins> united kingdom isn't a country
[10:03] <dutchie> yes it is
[10:04] <ubuntujenkins> england, scotland, wales etc are countries
[10:05] <dutchie> but not in the same sense that france/germany are countries
[10:06] <ubuntujenkins> erm but they are classed as countries
[10:08] <dutchie> England don't go to the UN, the UK does
[10:15] <humphreybc> lol
[10:15] <humphreybc> so in summary, english people want to be different because they have no other way of getting people interested in them
[10:16] <humphreybc> ;)
[10:17]  * thorwil has been told to be careful with calling people from the uk english
[10:18] <dutchie> only if they're not
[10:26] <humphreybc> heh
[10:26] <humphreybc> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/
[10:26] <humphreybc> latest two posts
[10:48] <thorwil> a t-shirt for humphreybc: http://www.bustedtees.com/trololo
[10:51] <humphreybc> thanks thorwil
[10:52] <humphreybc> that looks nice
[18:59] <ubuntujenkins> evening
[19:19] <daker> hi @all
[19:23] <ubuntujenkins> hello daker
[19:24] <daker> how are u ?
[19:29] <ubuntujenkins> I am good thanks you?
[19:31] <daker> not fine i am suffering from a from a lot of bugs
[19:32] <ubuntujenkins> thats not good, hope you get better soon.
[19:32] <daker>  Lucid :s
[19:32] <ubuntujenkins> o i see, what sort of bugs?
[19:35] <daker> bug 554904
[19:35] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 554904 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[i945G] Ubuntu 10.4 fails to boot into Xorg" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/554904
[19:35] <daker> when this bug happens i can't restart X, and the computer sleeps
[19:35] <ubuntujenkins> nice not a good bug
[19:36] <dutchie> is there such a thing?
[19:36] <daker> dutchie, like what ?
[19:36] <dutchie> a good bug
[19:37] <ubuntujenkins> well if it is simple then or trivial. or wishlist then its ok
[19:38] <daker> ubuntujenkins, when this happens i see this Bug 521298
[19:38] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 521298 in mountall "could not write byte broken pipe" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/521298
[19:39] <ubuntujenkins> That bug effects me as well, I don't see it as plymouth hides it
[19:40] <daker> how can i report bugs that already happens and i didn't report them ?
[19:46] <ubuntujenkins> add a comment to the existing bug?
[19:49] <daker_> f*** again :s
[19:53] <daker> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1446274
[19:57] <daker> it hangs at "checking battery state" event
[19:58] <daker> it seems that he is waiting for something that will not happens
[19:58] <daker> after the screen start to blink the terminal, and it sleeps
[20:37] <cep> hello everyone
[20:38] <godbyk> hey, cap.
[20:39] <ubuntujenkins> hello godbyk and cep
[20:39] <cep> i faced a string starting with "\notecallout[Note]{The device (/dev/sda1.."
[20:40] <cep> the [Note] should be translated?
[20:40] <godbyk> cap: Yes.
[20:41] <godbyk> (I tried to get rid of all the \notecallout's, but apparently missed a few.)
[20:41] <godbyk> It will be printed as: Note: The device (/dev/sda1.."  with "Note" in bold.
[20:41] <cep> ok thx
[20:42] <godbyk> no problem.
[20:46] <daker> ubuntujenkins,  how to put rythmbox in the systray ?
[20:46] <daker> i can't hide it to the systray
[20:46] <ubuntujenkins> click the close button daker that works for me
[20:47] <daker> Oh
[20:47] <daker> yeah
[20:49] <cep> i have a problem with a screenshot on the quickshot
[20:49] <ubuntujenkins> fire away cep
[20:49] <cep> the size of the image isn't enough for the windows
[20:50] <cep> because of the longer words of my language
[20:50] <cep> (I suppose)
[20:50] <ubuntujenkins> which language cep and which screenshots?
[20:51] <cep> Greek language and the screenshot is ... wait a sec
[20:54] <cep> i think the name is advanced search (on evolution)
[20:55] <cep> look at the screenshot http://yfrog.com/jdquickshottemporaryscreep
[20:56] <cep> i tried to make the windows smaller but it wasn' t possible
[20:57] <ubuntujenkins> cep thats an interesting one, as the window is bigger than the width of the choosen resolution for quickshot images, not sure what to do there
[20:58] <cep> hm
[20:59] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: how would the scaling be effected if we allowed an image that was to wide?
[20:59] <cep> i can take a screeshot of the windows, edit it properly with gimp, and send it to you
[20:59] <cep> if that helps
[21:01] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: we just need to set \setmaxscreenshot to point to the widest screenshot and everything will be scaled accordingly.
[21:02] <godbyk> I could modify the code to scale a larger-than-the-max-width screenshot down to the max width if you want.
[21:02] <ubuntujenkins> cep can you change your resolution so that the window fits on the screen, take the screenshot with the normal tool and send it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:02] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: that might work it depends how it looks
[21:03] <cep> ubuntujenkins, ok i will try this
[21:03] <ubuntujenkins> thanks cep
[21:04] <cep> no problem :), my pleasure :P
[21:06] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: can i pick your expert brain, godbyk: if i have a file which lists lots of directories one on each line. how do i extract them i currently have http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/w4aWuZE6YZ how ever it doen't work any suggestions ?
[21:07] <godbyk> try read
[21:07] <godbyk> one sec and I'll look at your code
[21:08] <ubuntujenkins> thanks
[21:17] <cep> ubuntujenkins, i took the screenshot on 1280x1024 resolution but by mistake i upload it
[21:17] <cep> the screeshot was perfect on that resolution
[21:18] <ubuntujenkins> cep i will just look at it
[21:20] <ubuntujenkins> cep thats not a problem, i can use it from the server, please make sure you put your resolution back for the rest
[21:20] <cep> ok
[21:27] <ubuntujenkins> thanks cep
[21:28] <cep> no problem :)
[21:31] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: we don't need to change the resize script the image that i have uploaded will be fine
[21:32] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: okay.
[21:41] <cep> i have another question, some screenshots (obviously those that have been uploaded) are marked as "waiting for approval" or sth relevant. What's the process that will be followed ?
[21:43] <ubuntujenkins> cep I approve/reject them and then add them to bzr.
[21:44] <cep> nice and all screenshots should be uploaded since 29-30?
[21:45] <ubuntujenkins> yes I have just looked at them all, i will change the button order and aprove them soon
[22:09] <ubuntujenkins> cep just approved all the screenshots done any time before an hour ago
[22:09] <cep> nice to hear that :)
[22:09] <ubuntujenkins> brb
[22:19] <ubuntujenkins> night all


[21:38] <avarisclari> hi!
[21:39] <avarisclari> Just out of curiosity anyone going to Indiana LinuxFest?
[22:47] <schultmc> I'm going - I'm one of the organizers


[02:39] <residentgrey> can gparted help reabsorb a partition I set up with another os, instead of reinstalling on the entire disk again?
[02:56] <xubuntu523> Hello
[04:24] <mungewell1> Hi, fresh 10.04 install on a X40 and having problems with xorg-intel. Is there a quick way to gen an xorg.conf (ala 'dpkg --reconfigure xserver-xorg' which nolonger does it)?
[04:26] <mungewell1> ... I should add I want to disable XV ( Option "XVideo" "0" ) to prevent it crashing my system.
[07:35] <ocs> hi. On 10.04 the xfce panel covers the border of many applications. this didn't happen with 9.10 . is there a way to fix that?
[07:37] <moetunes> isn't there an option for that when you right click the panel and configure?
[07:37] <charlie-tca> not in xubuntu
[07:37] <ocs> this is a bug
[07:38] <charlie-tca> try different themes, see if it is theme specific
[07:40] <ocs> charlie-tca: this happens with all the themes
[07:41] <charlie-tca> bug time
[07:42] <charlie-tca> bug against xfwm4, most likely, since that controls the borders and placements
[07:44] <ocs> charlie-tca: I noted a lot of bugs in 10.4 ... they don't appear in 9.10 .... this is strange
[07:45] <charlie-tca> it happens
[07:46] <charlie-tca> there were a lot of changes again, which will create bugs for some people.
[07:46] <ocs> charlie-tca: 9.10 was not so buggy
[07:46] <ocs> charlie-tca: anyway, is there a way to fix the bug for the borders?
[07:46] <charlie-tca> I found it to be more buggy then 10.04
[07:47] <charlie-tca> I don't know how to fix it.
[07:54] <ocs> in addition there's this hugly bug: http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/18904
[07:54] <ocs> I suggest to add it to the topic
[07:54] <charlie-tca> We try hard not to give references to other os bugs
[07:55] <charlie-tca> We got a fix for that already, it will be coming soon
[07:56] <ocs> charlie-tca: how can I fix it?
[07:57] <ocs> the webpage is not very clear
[07:59] <ocs> it suggests to downgrade gtk 2
[07:59] <ocs> but how can I do that?
[08:00] <charlie-tca> Let me find the Xubuntu bug
[08:00] <charlie-tca> Are you using xubuntu or arch?
[08:00] <ocs> charlie-tca: xubuntu
[08:00] <charlie-tca> then go look at https://launchpad.net/bugs/520118
[08:01] <charlie-tca> It has the xubuntu specific patch
[08:03] <ocs> thanks very much charlie-tca
[08:03] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[08:08] <ocs> charlie-tca: I have exo_0.3.106-1ubuntu2.diff.gz and  exo_0.3.106.orig.tar.gz  -----> how can I apply the first (patch) to the second?
[08:09] <charlie-tca> I don't really know. I just wait for the fix
[08:14] <oiuz> hi there
[08:14] <charlie-tca> !hi | oiuz
[08:15] <oiuz> i just installed xubuntu-desktop with apt-get install
[08:15] <oiuz> on my ubuntu pc
[08:15] <oiuz> the installation not finish successfully
[08:16] <charlie-tca> what was the error message?
[08:16] <oiuz> i got this error
[08:16] <oiuz>  E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[08:16] <oiuz> and if i run df -h
[08:16] <charlie-tca> and what was the result of running 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' ?
[08:17] <oiuz> i got this things
[08:17] <oiuz> :~$ df -h Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/xvda1            2.4G  2.3G     0 100% /
[08:17] <charlie-tca> out of space
[08:17] <charlie-tca> It can't continue because there is no drive space to use
[08:18] <oiuz> well my question is
[08:18] <oiuz> after that issue my question is
[08:18] <oiuz> how to install minimal xubuntu-desktop package ?
[08:19] <charlie-tca> use the alternate cd
[08:19] <charlie-tca> but you will need to delete some stuff first.
[08:19] <oiuz> with just less than 1Gb of hard drive ?
[08:19] <charlie-tca> Also, if you already installed Ubuntu, you have a minimal install already
[08:19] <oiuz> it is an remote host
[08:19] <charlie-tca> You do not have enough drive space on the partition to install the xubuntu and ubuntu desktops
[08:20] <oiuz> how many space do i need for the installation ?
[08:20] <charlie-tca> I would guess about 3.5GB for both packages
[08:21] <oiuz> we can't do installation something like
[08:21] <oiuz> "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop without openoffice, withoutuncessary package, etc .... ?
[08:22] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu-desktop does not install those. Ubuntu does
[08:22] <charlie-tca> You installed the ubuntu environment already.
[08:22] <oiuz> nevermind
[08:22] <oiuz> how to install ubuntu like that ?
[08:23] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu-desktop does not want oo.o and other stuff. Xubuntu uses about 1.5GB of drive space, Ubuntu uses about 3.5GB
[08:23] <charlie-tca> I have never tried a minimal Ubuntu installation. You should be able to do that using the alternate image cd, though
[08:25] <oiuz> but you can't understand one thing i try to explain, maybe you don't know what that it means
[08:26] <oiuz> my ubuntu pc is an remote host i can access physically on the device part
[08:26] <charlie-tca> You seem to want Xubuntu instead of Ubuntu, or do you want both desktops?
[08:27] <oiuz> i just only want  to have a webgui interface for my linux ( ubuntu )
[08:27] <oiuz> for now i can only access to pc only by terminal
[08:28] <charlie-tca> So, it has the server version installed, right?
[08:28] <oiuz> yes
[08:28] <charlie-tca> !webmin
[08:28] <charlie-tca> !ebox
[08:29] <charlie-tca> Maybe that would be better with the limited partition you have
[08:29] <charlie-tca> It gives you a gui instead of the terminal, but uses very little space
[08:32] <oiuz> this is what i got
[08:33] <oiuz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/432621/
[08:34] <charlie-tca> get rid of the period in front of ^
[08:34] <charlie-tca> It should read exactly like this - sudo apt-get install “^ebox-.*”
[08:36] <oiuz> no
[08:36] <charlie-tca> According to the wiki page, it must
[08:36] <oiuz> it is not exactly
[08:36] <charlie-tca> The quotes allow you use the wildcard
[08:37] <charlie-tca> The . you put in front says install a hidden file, which it should not be
[08:39] <oiuz> ok what is the right command
[08:39] <oiuz> can i do sudo apt-get install ebox
[08:39] <oiuz> ?
[08:39] <charlie-tca> sudo apt-get install “^ebox-.*”
[08:40] <charlie-tca> Go to the wiki and read this page - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/eBox
[08:40] <charlie-tca> You should not need the ppa part
[08:41] <oiuz> when i paste this on the terminal sudo apt-get install “^ebox-.*”   i got this      sudo apt-get install .^ebox-.*.
[08:42] <oiuz> is that normal ?
[08:42] <charlie-tca> Maybe for the language settings. just use backspace and arrows to remove the extra .'s and then add the double quote
[08:44] <oiuz> arrow ?
[08:44] <charlie-tca> cursor keys?
[08:44] <oiuz> which one ,
[08:45] <oiuz> idon't understand
[08:45] <charlie-tca> have to remove the . in front and in back of ^ebox-.*
[08:46] <oiuz> leave that one
[08:46] <oiuz> i got software center
[08:46] <charlie-tca> erase the .^ebox-.*. and type the right part - "^ebox-.*"
[08:46] <oiuz> installed on my box
[08:46] <oiuz> can i do the installation from software center ?
[08:46] <charlie-tca> You have software center on the server?
[08:47] <oiuz> yes
[08:47] <charlie-tca> search for ebox then and install from it
[08:52] <oiuz> plz wait
[08:52] <oiuz> software center not working right i try to troubleshoot
[08:52] <charlie-tca> Did you delete anything from the hard drive?
[08:53] <charlie-tca> If it is still at 100%, it won't install anything
[08:53] <oiuz> yes i tried to remove xubuntu-desktop
[08:53] <charlie-tca> !puregnome
[08:55] <charlie-tca> Maybe try sudo apt-get --purge remove xfce*
[09:01] <oiuz> thanks charlie-tca
[09:01] <oiuz> i got leave tu
[09:01] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[09:01] <charlie-tca> good luck
[10:43] <Cali1> Hello, i have an older pentium 3 notebook (1.0Ghz & 256MB ram)  -  Xubuntu 8.04 runs just great on it.
[10:44] <Cali1> I've upgraded to the new lts version but the system is real slow
[10:44] <Cali1> do you know if 10.04 needs really a lot more resources than 8.04?
[10:44] <charlie-tca> Yes, the newer version is slower on 256MB ram
[10:45] <charlie-tca> It would prefer 384MB, I think
[10:45] <Cali1> this laptop is too old for a ram upgrade...
[10:46] <Cali1> thank you for the information
[10:46] <Cali1> the only reason i've tried to upgrade is
[10:46] <charlie-tca> You might take a look in system monitor and see if you can live without some stuff
[10:47] <Cali1> good idea
[10:47] <Cali1> ...
[10:47] <Cali1> okay the only reason for the upgrade
[10:47] <Cali1> was the newer evince version
[10:47] <charlie-tca> No ppa?
[10:47] <Cali1> my girlfriend studies and she needs to print out
[10:48] <Cali1> a lot of papers . Evince on 8.04 sucks at printing out multiple pages on 1 page
[10:48] <Cali1> ppa?
[10:48] <charlie-tca> personal package archive in launchpad
[10:48] <charlie-tca> I'm looking now
[10:49] <Cali1> for evince?
[10:49] <charlie-tca> yes, sometimes a developer will package the new versions to allow them to run in older releases
[10:50] <Cali1> would be great ..... i've looked around for a while but didn't not find something
[10:52] <charlie-tca> Nothing newer than 2.22, which is in Hardy
[10:53] <Cali1> thanks :/
[10:53] <charlie-tca> Probably has dependencies that can't be back ported
[10:53] <Cali1> maybe
[10:53] <Cali1> do you know other pdf viewers
[10:53] <charlie-tca> I don't use any
[10:53] <Cali1> who offer good print settings
[10:53] <Cali1> :)
[10:54] <charlie-tca> evince is the best one that I know of
[10:54] <charlie-tca> !pdf
[10:55] <TheSheep> there is also acrobat, but ugh
[10:55] <Cali1> i've tried it
[10:55] <charlie-tca> yup
[10:55] <TheSheep> and epdfview
[10:55] <charlie-tca> okular I think has printing issues
[10:55] <Cali1> but printing did not work as good as with the new evince version
[11:00] <drcode> hi all
[11:01] <drcode> Ihave installed lucid xubuntu 10.04 , how can I setup Radeon 7000/VE ?
[11:01] <drcode> thanx
[11:07] <charlie-tca> Install it using Applications -> system -> Hardware Drivers
[11:08] <drcode> no driver there
[11:08] <drcode> I did try it
[11:09] <drcode> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE]
[11:09] <charlie-tca> !radeon
[11:09] <Cali1> yes the radeon driver should be already running
[11:09] <Cali1> if have an older radeon 7xxx mobile
[11:10] <Cali1> and searched after the ubuntu 10.04 upgrade
[11:10] <Cali1> for the fglrx
[11:10] <Cali1> but it' the radeon instead
[11:10] <Cali1> no need for propri. hardware drivers
[11:10] <drcode> I see
[11:10] <drcode> thanx
[11:11] <drcode> root@user1-desktop:/home/user1# glxinfo |grep vendor server glx vendor string: SGI client glx vendor string: Mesa Project and SGI OpenGL vendor string: Tungsten Graphics, Inc.
[11:12] <drcode> Cali1: is it ok?
[11:13] <drcode> Cali1: Idid install fglrx
[11:13] <Cali1> ah okay
[11:13] <drcode> how do i config it?
[11:13] <Cali1> if you've installed fglrx and it works
[11:14] <Cali1> okay
[11:14] <drcode> k
[11:14] <drcode> thanx
[11:14] <Cali1> last time i've tried it
[11:14] <drcode> Ican install compiz?
[11:14] <drcode> it come with xubunutu?
[11:14] <Cali1> the system had serious issuees
[11:14] <Cali1> normally yes
[11:14] <drcode> how can Icheck it?
[11:15] <Cali1> if you have installed the package compiz
[11:15] <Cali1> you should be able to install it under the system - settings
[11:16] <Cali1> and there somewhere in the visual settings / desktop effects
[11:16] <drcode> ok
[11:16] <Cali1> to config fglrx you can try fglrxconfig
[11:16] <drcode> thanx
[11:16] <drcode> I will check it
[11:16] <Cali1> for the compiz start
[11:16] <Cali1> you can also type in the terminal
[11:16] <Cali1> compiz --replace &
[11:17] <Cali1> to start compiz
[11:18] <Cali1> i'l quit
[11:19] <drcode> k
[11:19] <drcode> thanx
[13:39] <ebbie> hi, i'm searching for bluetooth in xubuntu 10.04
[13:40] <ebbie> the bluez-gnome package is not there :(
[13:40] <charlie-tca> !bluetooth
[13:40] <charlie-tca> It may not be installed by default in Xubuntu
[13:41] <ebbie> ok, i take a look on it :) thx
[13:51] <ebbie> wow, the bluetooth hardware is gone... before those packages the hcitool scan works
[13:51] <ebbie> now the hardware seems to be frozen :(
[13:51] <ebbie> ... try a reboot
[15:22] <Cali1> hi there
[15:22] <TheSheep> hello Cali1
[15:24] <Cali1> i had some problems with a slow xubuntu installation yesterday
[15:24] <Cali1> and i wanted to use puppy as frugal
[15:24] <Cali1> installation on the same sda
[15:24] <Cali1> and of course.. i killed the xubuntu installation
[15:24] <Cali1> now i've finished the reinstallation
[15:25] <Cali1> and xubuntu 10.4 is just as fast as 8.04 was before
[15:25] <Cali1> weird
[15:25] <TheSheep> shame you don't have the old logs anymore
[15:25] <Cali1> the only thing i did yesterday was to update after the new installation
[15:26] <Cali1> there were updates over 60mb
[15:26] <Cali1> now i reduced updates to security-only
[15:26] <Cali1> and had just a teX update 112kg
[15:26] <Cali1> kb
[15:26] <Cali1> if i would have more time
[15:27] <Cali1> i would retry to apply all pending updates
[15:28] <Cali1> ... but now -> System runs great and won't be touched again (P3 1GHz, 256MB)
[15:28] <visitor1> wow
[15:30] <Cali1> wowß
[15:30] <Cali1> ?
[15:30] <visitor1> 256mb ram and its working ok ?
[15:31] <Cali1> right now?  yes absolutley
[15:31] <arthurjohnson> Cali1 visitor1: 256 is fine for Xubuntu, just don't run Firefox.  Use Chromium
[15:31] <Cali1> i have firefox and abiword running
[15:31] <charlie-tca> or midori
[15:31] <Cali1> and 192mb of 244 are in usage
[15:31] <Cali1> @arthur: this is the laptop of my girlfriend
[15:31] <arthurjohnson> charlie-tca: +1 on that. Midori is getting nice.
[15:31] <Cali1> she likes firefox
[15:32] <arthurjohnson> Cali1: Once you start hitting flash sites, that memory is going to go out of control.
[15:32] <Cali1> i offered her already chromium f.e. but she didn't like it a lot (no master password etc.)
[15:32] <Cali1> wait
[15:32] <Cali1> let'S test it on youtube ..
[15:32] <arthurjohnson> Cali1: Welcome to Swap City, population YOU
[15:32] <charlie-tca> I keep trying to get midori to work for me, but it isn't quite there yet
[15:33] <arthurjohnson> charlie-tca: Yeah. I tried to love Midori, but I agree. Not quite there. Soon thou..
[15:33] <arthurjohnson> charlie-tca: I'm using Chromium on my slower machines.
[15:33] <Cali1> has anybody tried lubuntu-desktop already?
[15:33] <arthurjohnson> Cali1: It doesn't use that much less than Xubuntu
[15:33] <charlie-tca> I downloaded it
[15:34] <charlie-tca> but it is only about 30% lighter than Xubuntu
[15:34] <arthurjohnson> charlie-tca: If that. They are still missing a few essential services.
[15:34] <arthurjohnson> charlie-tca: Like thunar-volman like service
[15:35] <charlie-tca> Are they using thunar? I thought it might pcfman
[15:35] <Cali1> 30% lighter in mb or in ram?
[15:35] <charlie-tca> disk space and ram
[15:35] <arthurjohnson> Cali1: Pretty much both.
[15:35] <Cali1> 30% can be a lot?
[15:35] <arthurjohnson> Cali1: I had Lubuntu running in one VirtualBox and Xubuntu running in another. Only saved about 20 megs of ram.
[15:36] <charlie-tca> That's about right according to the reviews I have read
[15:36] <arthurjohnson> XFCE4 and LXDE use the same amount of RAM in the tests that I've run.
[15:36] <arthurjohnson> Right around 100 megs.
[15:36] <Cali1> thanks
[15:37] <Cali1> okay youtube is running
[15:37] <Cali1> video is running of course
[15:37] <Cali1> 204 of 256mb
[15:38] <Cali1> of course the video is not running fluently
[15:38] <Cali1> but its ok
[15:38] <Cali1> i'm sure
[15:39] <Cali1> as soon as i will apply the latest updates to xubuntu 10.04 the slowlyness beginns
[15:39] <arthurjohnson> Cali1: Now, try another flash based site, or open a tab and start surfing.  That memory will go away pretty quickly.
[15:39] <arthurjohnson> Cali1: You can even close the youtube tab. The memory won't free up.
[15:39] <Cali1> of couse
[15:39] <arthurjohnson> Firefox memory management is brutal
[15:39] <charlie-tca> Cali1: are there a bunch of updates? Maybe apply them one at a time, to find the one slowing it down?
[15:39] <Cali1> too much can't be done
[15:40] <Cali1> @charlie : my girlfriend needs her laptop back :)
[15:40] <arthurjohnson> Cali1: It will also help to close firefox out once in a while, expecially after watching a bunch of videos.
[15:40] <charlie-tca> Okay
[15:40] <charlie-tca> I'll try to reproduce that here, on a desktop system
[15:41] <charlie-tca> I have an 866MHz that I can cut back to 256MB ram and try it
[15:42] <charlie-tca> Cali1: is the swap file bigger than the memory?
[15:42] <Cali1> yes
[15:42] <Cali1> memory 256mb   - swap 729
[15:43] <Cali1> mb
[15:43] <charlie-tca> okay
[15:43] <charlie-tca> I will try to reproduce this weekend
[15:43] <Cali1> and at the moment the swapiness was turned down to 10 (on the fly)
[15:43] <Cali1> i want to test out whart
[15:43] <Cali1> what's better
[15:44] <Cali1> for a small amount of ram
[15:45] <Cali1> ....  AND  ... i've ordered an additionell so-dimm 256 for this old but still nive evo n600c notebook
[15:45] <Cali1> are you often here in the xubuntu irc?
[15:46] <charlie-tca> who? me?
[15:46] <Cali1> yes
[15:47] <Cali1> so i'll know the results of your test
[15:47] <charlie-tca> 5-6 days a week, but normally from about 12:00 noon UTC to 18:00 or 19:00 UTC
[15:47] <Cali1> ok :)
[15:48] <Cali1> another information:  i deactivated the "load gnome runtime at startup" in the start up/session settings
[15:48] <charlie-tca> yup
[15:48] <charlie-tca> got to get as close to what you have as possible
[15:48] <charlie-tca> added applications?
[15:49] <Cali1> right now none
[15:50] <Cali1> ext4
[15:50] <Cali1> first time i tried this filesystem today
[15:50] <charlie-tca> Okay
[15:50] <charlie-tca> What was the filesystem yesterday? still ext4?
[15:50] <Cali1> no ext3
[15:51] <Cali1> :)
[15:51] <poop23> If you scroll a background window, it is brought forward. This behaviour is new (and somewhat annoying) to me. Can I disable it?
[15:51] <Cali1> and i deactivated also the tty2-6
[15:51] <Cali1> consoles
[15:51] <Cali1> nothing else
[15:51] <charlie-tca> poop23: Applications -> Settings -> Window Manager, Focus
[15:52] <charlie-tca> Cali1: might have been ext3 doing it for some reason. How big a partition?
[15:52] <Cali1> 27gb
[15:52] <Cali1> its a 40 gb ide
[15:52] <Cali1> drive
[15:52] <Cali1> with 12gb winXp
[15:53] <Cali1> 27gb  Xubuntu
[15:53] <charlie-tca> Okay
[15:53] <Cali1> and the rest (729mb) swap
[15:53] <poop23> charlie-tca: There's no "stop doing that thing where you raise windows when i just scroll in them"
[15:53] <poop23> lol
[15:54] <charlie-tca> poop23: unchecked "Raise on focus" ?
[15:54] <poop23> there's just "raise on click", which i want anyway
[15:54] <poop23> charlie-tca: it is unchecked
[15:54] <charlie-tca> Raise on focus means if the mouse hovers on the window
[15:54] <poop23> yeah
[15:54] <charlie-tca> Above that, Focus model should be "Click to focus"
[15:55] <poop23> it... is
[15:55] <Cali1> i'll quit  - thanks and see you during the next days
[15:55] <poop23> the only difference is that now a window is brought to top when i scroll in it, which i don't think used to happen
[15:55] <poop23> it sounds like just one line of code was added somewhere, without the option to disable it :P
[15:56] <charlie-tca> Are you on 10.04 or 9.10?
[15:56] <poop23> 10.04
[15:58] <charlie-tca> Straight xubuntu installation?
[16:01] <charlie-tca> poop23: If that is a Xubuntu installation, without gnome, can you file a bug on it and include the things I asked you?
[16:01] <charlie-tca> Subscribe me
[16:01] <poop23> i'm not sure it's without gnome
[16:02] <poop23> i actually installed nautilus at one point cause thunar had this weird thing where if i double clicked to enter a folder, i couldn't do anything there anymore and had to Ctrl+N to continue working
[16:02] <poop23> but if i used the keyboard to move around it worked fine
[16:03] <charlie-tca> I don't think that should matter
[16:03] <charlie-tca> go ahead and file it
[16:03] <poop23> where? lol
[16:03] <charlie-tca> ubuntu-bug xfwm4
[16:03] <charlie-tca> I think the window manager should be responsible for that
[16:04] <poop23> but wait
[16:04] <poop23> are you on xubuntu too?
[16:04] <charlie-tca> yes
[16:04] <poop23> just try scrolling up or down any window in the background
[16:04] <poop23> does it stay in the background?
[16:05] <charlie-tca> consistent, isn't it/
[16:07] <charlie-tca> Still got to be filed and confirmed
[16:07] <charlie-tca> I can file it later today
[16:16] <charlie-tca> poop23: Is that a 386 or 64bit?
[16:17] <charlie-tca> I can not reproduce the focus issue on my PIII here
[16:25] <charlie-tca> poop23: found the settings to make it stop focusing
[16:26] <poop23> oh yay
[16:27] <charlie-tca> Applications -> settings -> Window Manager Tweaks, Accessibility, uncheck "Raise windows when any mouse button is pressed"
[16:27] <charlie-tca> Don't even need to log out. It is immediate
[16:34] <charlie-tca> Apparently, the scroll wheel movement is a "mouse button pressed"
[16:59] <poop23> ahh!
[16:59] <poop23> awesome :D
[16:59] <poop23> thank you
[17:57] <samsa> all: anyone an idea how to deal with 2 bateries in an notebook?
[17:58] <samsa> so how to configure when automaticly switching between them and how to chose manualy?
[18:09] <arthurjohnson> samsa: I'm not sure, I've never used a dual-battery laptop.
[19:03] <Anthoo> hello
[19:04] <Anthoo> Somebody who could assist me? I have a problem with Xubuntu
[19:05] <Anthoo> in fact I plug my USB key, and nothing it not on the computer
[19:06] <arthurjohnson> Anthoo: Thats a known issue, here is the fix...
[19:07] <arthurjohnson> Edit your /etc/rc.local file ( gksu mousepad /etc/rc.local )
[19:07] <arthurjohnson> And put /usr/sbin/hald in it before "exit 0"
[19:07] <arthurjohnson> Reboot and you will be all set.
[19:07] <arthurjohnson> Make sure you save your changes thou
[19:11] <Anthoo> I put before exit 0, I put this: / usr / sbin / hald   ??
[19:12] <Anthoo> arthurjohnson: ?
[19:12] <schlaftier> Anthoo: without spaces, exactly like arthurjohnson told you: /usr/sbin/hald
[19:13] <arthurjohnson> Anthoo: Exactly like I told you
[19:13] <arthurjohnson> schlaftier: Thanks
[19:14] <schlaftier> arthurjohnson: by the way, I have hald running even though it is not in my /etc/rc.local
[19:15] <arthurjohnson> schlaftier: Yeah, with fresh installs of Xubuntu without autologin it works without the rc.local hack
[19:16] <Anthoo> give it this: http://paste-bin.toile-libre.org//view.php?id=106  ??
[19:16] <arthurjohnson> Anthoo: Yup, just like that
[19:16] <arthurjohnson> Anthoo: Save your changes, reboot, and all will be right with the world.
[19:17] <schlaftier> arthurjohnson: I see. I always thought autologin was a bad thing ;-)
[19:19] <arthurjohnson> schlaftier: Well, technically yeah
[19:23] <Anthoo> it works:) thank you very much
[19:24] <Anthoo> I have another problem when I restarted or shut down my computer, it blocks the logo xubuntu what?
[19:38] <Anthoo> arthurjohnson: ?
[19:46] <alex_____> hi! I've installed xfce (xubuntu 10.04), but I can't make compiz work on it... I search for xorg.conf but didn't find it on /etc/X11, my Intel GMA945 isn't using a restricted driver... hwo can I make it work?
[20:07] <Anthoo> :'(
[21:04] <arthurjohnson> Anthoo: I really don't understand your request.
[21:04] <arthurjohnson> Anthoo: Can you clarify?
[22:20] <Anthoo> arthurjohnson: ??
[22:25] <Sumner> Hi folks. I'm in need of a little assistance. Anyone available?
[22:26] <schlaftier> Sumner: ask your question and see if somebody can help you
[22:27] <Sumner> OK.
[22:27] <schlaftier> Sumner: also, if it is not Xubuntu-specific, you might have a better chance in #ubuntu
[22:27] <Sumner> I was in here a few days ago with this problem, but got attitude. :-(
[22:27] <Sumner> It is Xubuntu-specific.
[22:29] <Sumner> OK... I've used the default Ubuntu confog (Gnome) and it's quite nice, but I figured I'd try Xubuntu on my little POS laptop. Xubuntu works great! but seems to be missing something I kinda need.
[22:30] <Sumner> With Gnome, I can click on "Places" then "Network" and get to all the stuff on my fileserver.
[22:30] <Sumner> Xubuntu doesn't seem to have that.
[22:30] <Sumner> Suggestions?
[22:43] <Anthoo> ????
[22:44] <Sumner> Anyone?
[22:44] <MalkavianManiac> whats the problem?
[22:45] <Sumner> OK... I've used the default Ubuntu confog (Gnome) and it's quite nice, but I figured I'd try Xubuntu on my little POS laptop. Xubuntu works great! but seems to be missing something I kinda need.
[22:45] <Sumner> With Gnome, I can click on "Places" then "Network" and get to all the stuff on my fileserver.
[22:45] <Sumner> Xubuntu doesn't seem to have that.
[22:45] <MalkavianManiac> hrmm, i know what ya mean
[22:45] <MalkavianManiac> lemme do a bit of research
[22:46] <Anthoo> j'go x) , bisouu , sms si tu veux ;D ;; j't'adoore :::
[22:46] <Anthoo> oup's
[22:46] <Anthoo> I have another problem when I restarted or shut down my computer, it blocks the logo xubuntu what?
[22:47] <MalkavianManiac> Sumner, a quick google turned up this... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=304131
[22:48] <Sumner> I'll explore that and see what happens.  Its there! AaAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaRRrrrrGgggHHHHHH!!! The DAEMON!!! PULSE!!!!! RUN fOR tHE HILLss!!!
[23:40]  * zer0x Throws cloak around self...


[22:01] <krytarik> Once you folks publish the 23.04 release announcement on the website, #lubuntu's channel topic also needs updating yet.


[00:45] <maxb> https://dev.launchpad.net/DetailedCoverLetterTemplate is quite daunting
[00:45] <maxb> does it really all apply for a 3-line change?
[00:46] <maxb> e.g. http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~maxb/launchpad/py2.5-buildmailman/revision/9329
[00:55] <mthaddon> maxb: I imagine (but am definitely not really that qualified) that you'd want to include all those section, but if they're not relevant, very briefly explain why
[01:26] <jml> maxb, I almost never follow the template & I've yet to get in trouble :)
[01:26] <maxb> :-)
[01:26] <jml> maxb, I find it helpful to think of the headings as a checklist
[01:27] <jml> maxb, so that when I'm writing a cover letter, I think "Have I explained the implementation? Have I mentioned how to do QA?" etc.
[01:28] <jml> flacoste, do you know how to submit a branch to launchpadlib?
[01:28]  * jml keeps getting rejected by PQM
[01:29] <wgrant> jml: Merge to trunk!
[01:29] <wgrant> It's not PQM-owned.
[01:30] <jml> wgrant, ahh, ok
[01:30] <jml> my local trunk branch is branched from pqm
[01:30] <jml> hmm
[01:30]  * jml corrects
[01:30] <wgrant> jml: Is there a DEV_SERVICE_ROOT yet?
[01:30] <jml> wgrant, no, how about I sneak one in with this change
[01:31] <wgrant> jml: Thanks.
[01:35] <jml> hmm
[01:35] <jml> we should set lp:launchpad to append_revisions_only
[01:35] <wgrant> lp:launchpadlib, you mean?
[01:35] <jml> no :)
[01:35] <jml> although that too
[01:36] <wgrant> But lp:launchpad isn't pushable to.
[01:36] <jml> I almost typed 'bzr push lp:launchpad' from my launchpadlib branch.
[01:36] <wgrant> So why does it matter?
[01:36] <jml> wgrant, it is by me :)
[01:36] <wgrant> Oh.
[01:36] <wgrant> Of course.
[01:36] <jml> I don't want permissions to do so, but I have them.
[01:36] <wgrant> Wasn't that meant to go away?
[01:37] <jml> I couldn't persuade thumper to do so.
[01:40] <jml> well, not in the short term
[11:18] <maxb> When a test reports failure, without any error messages whatsoever, how do you debug?
[11:26] <wgrant> maxb: Pastebin?
[11:27] <maxb> preparing
[11:29] <maxb> http://paste.ubuntu.com/265476/
[11:30] <wgrant> maxb: Odd. But my guess is that you don't have the right python-sqlite.
[11:30] <maxb> hmm
[11:30] <wgrant> Or sqlite2 or whatever it is.
[11:31] <maxb> I seem to have both
[11:31] <wgrant> That's a pretty wild guess, though.
[11:31] <wgrant> Does it say anything more if you run just that test with lots of '-v's?
[11:40] <maxb> no :-(
[11:41] <wgrant> maxb: Does -D drop you into anything useful?
[11:44] <maxb>     self.assertFalse(broken_builder.builderok)
[11:44] <maxb> hm
[11:46] <maxb> eww
[11:46] <maxb> we really ought to disallow assertions without messages, or make them show a traceback
[11:48] <maxb> It's throwing a twisted.trial.unittest.FailTest and that's disappearing into the voids
[11:48] <maxb> *void
[11:49] <wgrant> Ah, yuck.
[11:50] <wgrant> Ah, that's from the top failure which I had no idea about.
[11:50] <wgrant> In what environment is this failing?
[11:51] <maxb>  karmic/py2.4 + a few innocuous patches which I can't believe are related
[11:51] <maxb> but I'll revert them anyway and try again
[11:51] <wgrant> Hmm
[11:51]  * wgrant tests.
[11:51] <maxb> on lp:launchpad/stable
[11:54] <wgrant> maxb: Um, it fails here too, but doesn't contribute to the failure counts.
[11:55] <maxb> !
[11:55] <wgrant> How odd.
[12:03] <wgrant> maxb: Ah. Sampledata change.
[12:03] <maxb> ooh
[12:03] <maxb> right
[12:04] <wgrant> maxb: But not in the direction that I would expect...
[12:04] <maxb> but....... doesn't make check reload it all every time?
[12:04] <wgrant> Yes.
[12:04] <wgrant> There's something strange here.
[12:04] <wgrant> The test should fail.
[12:04] <wgrant> And I suspect buildbot logs will say it does.
[12:05] <wgrant> But it's not counting in the totals.
[12:05] <wgrant> This is very very bad, or we are very confusing.
[12:05] <wgrant> (the change was to make 'bob' in the ftest sampledata OK, so this test should obviously faily)
[12:05] <wgrant> But if it's in stable, the test never failed.
[12:05] <wgrant> But we know it did.
[12:06] <maxb> unpossible! :-)
[12:06] <wgrant> And:
[12:06] <wgrant> Failure in test testScanRescuesJobFromBrokenBuilder (lp.buildmaster.tests.test_manager.TestBuilddManagerScan)
[12:06] <wgrant>  testScanUpdatesBuildingJobs (lp.buildmaster.tests.test_manager.TestBuilddManagerScan) (1.593 s)
[12:06] <wgrant> That makes me very scared.
[12:06] <wgrant>   Ran 4 tests with 0 failures and 0 errors in 9.342 seconds.
[12:08]  * wgrant retries the test with old and new clean sample data.
[12:29]  * maxb kicks off a testrun of devel/jaunty/py2.4 and goes out shopping
[12:29] <wgrant> security.py is not being friendly.
[12:31] <maxb> and after shopping, I shall get stuck into writing merge cover letters
[12:32] <wgrant> Fun fun.
[12:51] <wgrant> maxb: So, that test has been failing. I thought to check an ec2test log from a couple of days ago, and it's shown there (the only failure).
[12:51] <wgrant> But the test suite completes successfully.
[12:51] <maxb> riiigh
[12:51] <maxb> t
[12:51]  * wgrant files a bug.
[12:51] <wgrant> Two bugs
[12:52] <maxb> well, that sucks, and I have more weird failures too
[12:52] <maxb> For example a couple of launchpadlib-1.5.1's doctests are exploding because I'm getting bytestrings and the doctest expects unicode strings
[12:52] <wgrant> Same.
[14:00] <james_w> maxb: I landed a fix for that a few weeks ago I thought
[14:05] <james_w> ah, that was wadllib
[14:05] <james_w> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lazr-developers/wadllib/trunk/revision/11
[14:05] <james_w> might help though
[22:30] <maxb> Data point: running make check on an AAO takes 9¼ hours
[23:19] <wgrant> maxb: *Ouch.*