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[22:35] <sonicx> Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11a/b/g (rev 01)
[22:35] <vkay1> wtf
[22:36] <k1l_> kadiro: youtube? that uses html5 for most videos now
[22:36] <k1l_> sonicx: and now please "uname -a"
[22:36] <k1l_> sonicx: and then please a "rfkill list" in a pastebin
[22:37] <k1l_> !paste | sonicx
[22:37] <kadiro> k1l_: html5 use 360 and more, my internet is very slow for that i choose flash no choice
[22:38] <kadiro> i can read 144 this will be fast
[22:38] <Raziel86> Can someone help me get my mom's ethernet working? When she types ifconfig -a this is all that shows up http://pastebin.com/0ZHtjDg6
[22:40] <sonicx> http://pastebin.com/ZD8imkfA
[22:41] <Raziel86> anyone there
[22:41] <digitalgalaxy_> I'm here
[22:41] <digitalgalaxy_> an ethernet problem?
[22:41] <Raziel86> yessir
[22:42] <UnPocoLoco> ifconfig eth0 up
[22:42] <UnPocoLoco> or ifup eth0?
[22:42] <sonicx>  and wireless  by the way
[22:42] <Raziel86> That gives the error no such device
[22:42] <Raziel86> wireless doesn't work either
[22:42] <UnPocoLoco> yeah, it looks strange.
[22:43] <digitalgalaxy_> ok, there's our problem.  Is this a homebrew computer or a store bought one?
[22:43] <Raziel86> Store bought. It's an old inspiron
[22:43] <digitalgalaxy_> inspiron model number?
[22:44] <TJ-> Raziel86: usually a desktop system is configured using the GUI interface to Network Manager.
[22:44] <wileee> !who | sonicx
[22:44] <k1l_> !bcm43xx | sonicx
[22:44] <UnPocoLoco> Raziel86, Ah. nvm. Didn't see your "-a" there. I dunno. network card loose?
[22:44] <TJ-> Raziel86: "lscpi -nn" will list all PCI devices, and from that you should be able to identify the network device(s)
[22:44] <k1l_> sonicx: see if that help pages helps you. seems like its still loading the "wrong" driver by default for that cards
[22:45] <Raziel86> TJ- just a second
[22:45] <TJ-> Raziel86: my typos! try "lspci -nn"  :D
[22:45] <sonicx> ok thx u I will look at it n now :)
[22:46] <Raziel86> Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-B0
[22:46] <NGC3982> I use album (the software) on http://bilder.henjoh.se/ to show pictures. I notice that the added pictures does not update new pictures automaticly. Does Album support this?
[22:46] <NGC3982> Also: http://skarmdump.henjoh.se/
 ok
[22:47] <TJ-> Raziel86: can you tell us the PCI device ID from the end of the lines, contain in square brackets e.g. [8086:1234]
[22:47] <OneM_Industries> How do I stop shotwell from coming up automatically when I put an sd card in my computer?
[22:48] <baywords> Okay Ubuntu.. I miss you  OS  :(  but this question is about  ps4.. Does anyone know of a populated irc channel  that deals with inquires  about custom firmware  exploit  development...?
[22:49] <Raziel86> TJ- [14e4:170c] (rev 2)
[22:49] <MonkeyDust> baywords  type /msg alis list blah
[22:49] <TJ-> Raziel86: I've read notes that in some circumstances installing the wifi drivers can disable the wired BCM4401. Can you check with "grep b44 /etc/modprobe.d/*" and telling us any lines that are reported
[22:49] <k1l_> !alis | baywords if that is fine for the freenode policy anyway
[22:51] <TJ-> Raziel86: you can also directly check if the b44 driver is loaded, to manage the BCM4401, using "lspci -k -d 14e4:170c" ... you should get a "Kernel driver in use: b44" line
[22:51] <baywords> "Blah" would be what?   My irc "coding"  is so rusty Tis forgotten..  I'll have to keep trying to enter that run  prompt  correctly..
[22:52] <MonkeyDust> baywords  blah is whatever you're looking for
[22:53] <baywords> Do I type it in here  on in the main window?
[22:53] <baywords> I forget..
[22:53] <baywords> Or* im
[22:53] <baywords> In*..  Damn it
[22:54] <kadiro> in freenode
[22:54] <Raziel86> TJ- Yeah we did grept b44 * while in modprobe.d and got the following. http://pastebin.com/LVMZ8VxD
[22:56] <digitalgalaxy_> -Raziel86 That sounds a lot like what TJ was talking about.  Check this link here for more info, at least what I found:
[22:56] <Raziel86> TJ- we tried deleting blacklist-bcm43.conf and it says no such file or directory.
[22:56] <digitalgalaxy_> askubuntu.com/questions/14970/broadcom-bcm4401-b0-100base-tx-issues
[22:57] <TJ-> Raziel86: "sudo rm /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-bcm43.conf"
[22:58] <TJ-> Raziel86: you can then manually load the module with "sudo modprobe b44"
[22:58] <Raziel86> TJ- we tried that and it says no such file or directory when trying to remove that file
[22:58] <TJ-> Raziel86: you must have mistyped. grep clearly shows the filename
[22:59] <digitalgalaxy_> Razile86- it looks like that link says to comment out a blacklist line, rather than delete a blacklist.conf file.  It might just be in a different file in your distro or version.  What's your ubuntu version raziel86?
[22:59] <Raziel86> TJ- I had to go into /etc/modprobe.d and I had her do ls -a and it's not in there.
[22:59] <baywords>  Hey..  msg alis  list  playstation4 says there are 60 channels.  But doesn't name them. How do I get the list?
[22:59] <Raziel86> It's actually mint 17.2
[23:00] <TJ-> Raziel86: Then the file has been deleted already. If so, do "sudo modprobe b44" and that should load the module
[23:00] <MonkeyDust> baywords  ask in #freenode
[23:00] <digitalgalaxy_> aha!  The culprit!  :)
[23:00] <Raziel86> When she does that it just stays on that line and never returns to another line
[23:00] <Raziel86> TJ- ^
[23:00] <TJ-> Raziel86: aha... OK... so there's a bigger problem here!
[23:01] <_jlove> Anyone here used canonical’s cloud-init (mostly via AWS EC2) before? Having some weirdness with packages installing
[23:01] <TJ-> Raziel86: does Ctrl+C get back to the prompt?
[23:01] <kadiro> baywords: add " / " before msg
[23:02] <Raziel86> Yes it does
[23:02] <ash_work> how do you access the grub menu on startup? I was told to hold shift but also that the grub menu wont appear if there are not multiple OSes on the machine
[23:02] <ash_work> I want to add nomodeset to the grub menu
[23:02] <columbobaas> just press arrow buttons
[23:03] <Raziel86> TJ- If the file has been deleted how come it still shows up when we grep 44 *
[23:03] <TJ-> Raziel86: good. I *think* the install of the b43 broadcom driver has messed things up
[23:03] <ash_work> columbobaas: thanks
[23:03] <Raziel86> We uninstalled sta
[23:03] <lickalott> sorry TJ-  I'm back
[23:03] <ash_work> also, where are you supposed to add acpi_osi= ?
[23:03] <TJ-> Raziel86: that depends if you used the command *exactly* as I wrote it
[23:04] <TJ-> ash_work: to the kernel command line ("linux ....")  in the grub boot menu
[23:04] <wbill> anybody have any recent 15.? version documents for installing a full version of ubuntu on a usb drive for a mac while on a mac?
[23:04] <Raziel86> We were never able to delete it. It says it doesn't exist when we try to delete it. It doesn't show in the directory only in grep
[23:04] <wileee> ash_work, arrpw buttons are when you get to the grub edit, try esc or shift when powering on, test the commands for now.
[23:05] <TJ-> lickalott: I figured out why the 2 entries get put in cryptroot. It's because both are inside the crypted device. However, the swap doesn't need to be available at initrd time so it is a definite bug for it being there
[23:05] <ash_work> TJ-: behind linux... like acpi_osi=linux /boot/vmlinuz-... ro      quiet splash nomodeset
[23:06] <TJ-> lickalott: What I propose you do, as a test, is to manually edit cryptroot so it only has the rootdev line, rebuild the initrd.img and try booting with it. If that works we know that was the problem. If it doesn't work, we know that is incidental and something else is wrong
[23:06] <TJ-> ash_work: preferably at the end of the existing options, not at the start of the line
[23:06] <Raziel86> TJ- thank you for helping out. She has to leave. I may be on later.
[23:07] <ash_work> TJ-: so linux /boot/vmlinuz-... ro      quiet splash nomodeset acpi_osi
[23:07] <ash_work> TJ-: so linux /boot/vmlinuz-... ro      quiet splash nomodeset acpi_osi= *
[23:07] <TJ-> ash_work: correct
[23:07] <ash_work> TJ-: thanks!
[23:08] <TechMonger> my desktop has ports for sdcards. i installed a sdcard. it shows up in disk anylizer and fdisk but its not in my media dir
[23:08] <TechMonger> it says contents are unknown 0.o
[23:08] <lickalott> TJ-,  i gotta blast.  Can you do me a huge favor?  I only captured (in a document) the process to extract the .img (conf/conf.d)  Can you copy and paste the initrd.log line for me and I will try to manually edit later?
[23:08] <kadiro> ash_work: and to see what exactelly happen when trying nomodest try to remove quiet splash
[23:08] <TJ-> lickalott: edit the cryptroot file where you extracted it ("/tmp/initrd/conf/conf.d/cryptroot") then ensure you're in the directory /tmp/initrd/ and do "find . | cpio -o -H newc | gzip > ../initrd.img"
[23:09] <lickalott> pm please so I don't lose it.  my logs aren't very long.
[23:09] <TJ-> lickalott: ok
[23:11] <columbobaas> After the kernel upgrade in Ubuntu 15.04, my fglrx-drivers don't work anymore. Known problem?
[23:12] <k1l_> columbobaas: fglrx from the amd site?
[23:12] <columbobaas> no
[23:12] <k1l_> is linux-generic installed?
[23:13] <columbobaas> I always installed it via Updates and sources
[23:13] <_Norns> hello, is the fglrx issues from new update resolved, if anyone knows?
[23:14] <TechMonger> uhh
[23:15] <Gallomimia> what i know about the fglrx "issues" they are resolved by the purchase and installation of an nvidia card. remove old one, and fglrx drivers before install. :(
[23:15] <ash_work> it didn't seem to save nomodeset
[23:15] <_Norns> sorry, accidentally shut it
[23:15] <ash_work> are you supposed to do something other than ^x / F10 ?
[23:16] <_Norns> well, in new upgrade somethign with amd and fglrx causing conflicts.  Had to roll back to previous
[23:16] <ash_work> or maybe it was because it shutdown imporperly?
[23:16] <Gallomimia> ash_work: depends what file you're editing and whether you have permissions to do it
[23:17] <columbobaas> Now I have Ubuntu 14.04.3 and it works perfectly
[23:17] <ash_work> that one in the beginning
[23:17] <ash_work> Gallomimia: the grub file
[23:17] <Gallomimia> some things you have to run a command to make it take changes, some things you have to reboot. some things you need root permissions
[23:17] <kadiro> ash_work: ctrl+X or F10 is the same
[23:17] <Gallomimia> yeah. the grub file needs to get installed by.... something. i'm fuzzy at that point. mine's quite broken
[23:17] <kadiro> ash_work: but for testing if work you must to edit grub.cfg
[23:19] <kadiro> good night all
[23:19] <Koning> Hi
[23:19] <NGC3982> Oh hai.
[23:20] <Koning> I've got a small question, my grub menu is messed up
[23:20] <Koning> memtest is the first option and ubuntu the last one
[23:20] <Koning> how can I reverse the order
[23:20] <TJ-> ash_work: editing the kernel command-line at boot-time is for testing/manual one-off. To make the change permanent edit "/etc/default/grub" and include the option(s) in  GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX   then update the "/boot/grub/grub.cfg" by doing "sudo update-grub"
[23:20] <columbobaas> Koning: grub-customizer
[23:20] <wileee> no no no
[23:20] <Koning> yeah, noooo, yeaaaah, nooooooo
[23:20] <Koning> in that program it shows up right
[23:21] <Koning> but in the grub menu it doesn't
[23:21] <k1l_> Koning: what did you do before that grub menu got messed up?
[23:22] <Koning> sudo grub-install /dev/sda
[23:22] <Koning> after eOS's grub overwrote the ubuntu one
[23:22] <TJ-> Koning: the GRUB menuentry order is controlled by the order of execution of the scripts in "/etc/grub.d/" - filenames start with a number. lower numbers are executed first
[23:22] <Koning> ah, I'll check those files TJ-
[23:23] <TJ-> Koning: here's the expected config: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12131986/
[23:23] <columbobaas> Somebody else problems with latest upgrade with the non-free amd drivers? (fglrx)
[23:24] <TJ-> Koning: ignore "10_custom_linux_menu_sort" that is my own customisation that puts -rc kernels last in the list
[23:24] <k1l_> columbobaas: was there an issue with the install? can you show the logs in /var/log/apt ?
[23:25] <Koning> TJ- this is what I have http://paste.ubuntu.com/12131998/
[23:26] <columbobaas> k1l_: yes indeed, always a system error. unable to install fglrx. But I did a clean install so i cant show you the logs. After reboot: i came in low resolution mode.
[23:26] <TJ-> Koning: that isn't an Ubuntu install!
[23:26] <Koning> I am running ubuntu though
[23:26] <Koning> ubuntu and eOS
[23:26] <TJ-> Koning: but what you have there is nothing like what Ubuntu installs
[23:27] <Koning> is there a way to nuke what I have and rebuild a clean boot config?
[23:27] <columbobaas> Koning isn't there an option in recovery mode in your grub menu?
[23:27] <k1l_> columbobaas: well, its hard to get to the cause of that issue without having that logs anymore
[23:27] <k1l_> Koning: so you are in eOS right now?
[23:28] <Koning> no, I'm in ubuntu right now
[23:28] <Koning> grub isn't broken, it's just that the order is all wrong
[23:29] <k1l_> Koning: so you definately did manual changes there
[23:29] <columbobaas> k1l_: I thought i read: no screens found in the log.
[23:29] <Koning> I didn't but grub customizer might have
[23:29] <k1l_> columbobaas: we will not solve that issue without that logs
[23:29] <TJ-> Koning: something has been altering the /etc/grub.d/ scripts totally. First, remove whatever did that and hope it returns things to normal
[23:30] <chingao> TechMonger, maybe this will help http://askubuntu.com/questions/95391/how-do-i-mount-an-sd-card
[23:30] <TJ-> Koning: after that, delete the files from /etc/grub.d/ and reinstall the package: "sudo apt-get --reinstall install grub-common" then "sudo update-grub"
[23:30] <columbobaas> k1l_ after that: i compiled kernel 4.1 and tried again but no result. But Ubuntu 14.04.3 works fine and i can try again in october maybe.
[23:32] <Koning> TJ- reinstall isn't recognized
[23:32] <Koning> nvm
[23:32] <Koning> typo
[23:36] <Koning> TJ- Doing what you said leaves my /etc/grub.d folder empty
[23:38] <MonkeyDust> Koning  i followed it a bit ... maybe ubuntu gnerates a new grub.d, after you rename it to grub.ddd or so
[23:38] <TJ-> Koning: aha... I suspected it might. "sudo apt-get --reinstall install -o Dpkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' grub-common"
[23:38] <Koning> nah, I moved the grub.d folder, did a grub reinstall, grub update, grub install and everything was blank
[23:39] <TJ-> Koning: when the sysadmin removes conf files dpkg assumes we know what we're doing, and doesn't try to install them
[23:39] <Koning> ah cool
[23:40] <Koning> I'm gonna reboot and hope everything is fine, if I'm not back again this time tomorrow, carry on
[23:41] <TJ-> Koning: you did do update-grub?
[23:41] <Koning> yes
[23:41] <Koning> do I need to do a grub-install ?
[23:41] <TJ-> Koning: *after* grub-common put those scripts back in /etc/grub.d/ ?
[23:42] <Koning> yes
[23:42] <TJ-> Koning: usually ... no ... grub-install writes the boot-strap and core.img, but it won't hurt to do it if you've got multiple OSes on the system arguing over which OS gets to control grub
[23:43] <Koning> that sounds pretty low level :p
[23:43] <TJ-> Koning: grub-install also ensure all the grub modules are in /boot/grub/${ARCH}-${FW_TYPE}/
[23:43] <Koning> Do you know where exactly grub is installed when I choose /dev/sda?
[23:44] <k1l_> in the mbr
[23:44] <Koning> and is that on somehting like a partition or does my disk have reserved space for that?
[23:44] <TJ-> Koning: yes. the first 440 bytes of sector 0 of /dev/sda gets the bootstrap. core.img is written in the spare sectors from sector 1 to the start of the first partition (usually sector 2048)
[23:44] <k1l_> its like a reserved space
[23:45] <Koning> aaah, that explains that starting point :)
[23:45] <asbasp> I don't know if this is the right place to ask, but I'm using a Koding.com VMS that has Ubuntu 14.04 installed, as well as the trusty repos. However, lftp isn't installed, and it also says "unable to locate package lftp" when I try to apt-get. Is there a quirk with sources.list, or does Koding.com not allow users to have lftp on their box?
[23:45] <TJ-> Koning: on GPT disk-labels core.img is written into a BIOS boot partition which gdisk tools give the short code 0xEF02
[23:45] <Koning> 440 bytes seems like so little space :p
[23:46] <Bashing-om> Koning: TJ- 's great tutorial on where/how.whu boot coding : https://iam.tj/kb/pc/boot/#a_bootloader .
[23:46] <TJ-> Koning: that is why it is called the bootstrap. It is loaded to address 0x7C00 in memory, and executed. It then calls BIOS disk services to load sectors 1-2048-ish into memory, and jumps into that code
[23:46] <Koning> do you mean the necesairy /boot partition from UEFI?
[23:46] <asbasp> For the record, here's what my sources.list looks like: https://bpaste.net/raw/879bf4b6394d
[23:47] <TJ-> Koning: For UEFI, firmware looks for the EFI system partition (that gdisk tools call 0xEF00) which must have a FAT file-system in, and reads an EFI executable.
[23:48] <TJ-> Bashing-om: I'd forgotten about that! I need to update and expand it :)
[23:48] <Bashing-om> TJ-: :) I use and refer it a LOT .
[23:49] <k1l_> !info lftp
[23:49] <k1l_> asbasp: what says: "sudo apt-get update && apt-cache policy lftp"
[23:49] <TJ-> Bashing-om: I'd best get cracking on it then, there's some embarrassing bugs
[23:50] <Koning> is an initramfs required?
[23:50] <Bashing-om> TJ-: I have had no adverse reactions .
[23:50] <Koning> I once read an article that said it's slow/bad (can't really remember)
[23:51] <TJ-> Bashing-om: good... but I noticed some glaring omissions and misleading statements/diagrams
[23:51] <TJ-> Koning: initrd.img is the kernel's bootstrap into the real root file-system. Usually required for all by the simplest configs
[23:52] <TJ-> s/by/but/
[23:52] <Koning> Doesn't arch use something else?
[23:53] <Koning> it might be mkinitcpio I'm thinkging about
[23:54] <yepla> hi
[23:54] <yepla> at the last upgrade fglrx seems broken still the case?
[23:54] <TJ-> Koning: cpio is the tool used to create the file-system inside the initrd.img, before it is gzip-ed
[23:55] <TJ-> Koning: different distros use different tools to create the initrd, but they all do basically the same thing
[23:55] <alu> how do I see if I have cuda installed
[23:55] <alu> I have GTX 960 hooked up to ubuntu machine with driver installed
[23:55] <TJ-> Koning: Debian/Ubuntu used intramfs-tools and the "update-initramfs" command
[23:56] <Bashing-om> TJ-: OT ... I looked on your desk(s) the other day, I did not see a soldiering iron or a motherboard. Maybe you can find the time to devote to the update of the booting sequence tutorial .
[23:56] <yepla> does fglrx is broken ?
[23:57] <columbobaas> yepla, YES
[23:57] <yepla> :(((((((((((((((((((
[23:57] <TJ-> alu: "nvidia-settings -e CUDACores"
[23:57] <yepla> i want play ark
[23:57] <7JTAAIGY8> I have ubuntu 15.04, and the wifi just stopped working. The little blue wif LED  is lit but on the connections tab, the wifi button is grayed out. if I go to systems network, wireless is turned off, and I can;t turn it back on. Does anyone know how to fix this?
[23:57] <columbobaas> yepla, after upgrade
[23:57] <TJ-> Bashing-om: you did not, or you did?
[23:58] <yepla> columbobaas: yes
[23:58] <columbobaas> yepla, i installed Ubuntu 14.04.3 and fglrx and it's fine
[23:58] <Bashing-om> TJ-: I did ( you posted in another channel the .img of your work space ) .
[23:58] <TJ-> Bashing-om: I was going to say... if you missed the rework station!
[23:59] <yepla> columbobaas: i will wait
[23:59] <yepla> still problem all the time problem
[23:59] <yepla> start be boring


[21:15] <cortexman> i can't boot into unity and i'm not getting any useful error messages...
[21:15] <Seveas> !pm | irreleph4nt
[21:16] <irreleph4nt> Seveas: Which logs would be relevant for you to see in this case?
[21:16] <xangua> cortexman: did you do anything before?
[21:16] <Seveas> irreleph4nt: the isc-dhcp-server logs that show the startup failure would probably be heplful...
[21:16] <mate|18745> so just ignore the gparted bad gpt table messages and try to boot it and then install to harddrive should work fine?
[21:16] <Seveas> mate|18745: yes.
[21:16] <mate|18745> awesome, thanks peeps
[21:16] <cortexman> xangua, i installed the wrong nvidia drivers, then reinstalled the system on top of the old one and it worked again. now it's not working again.
[21:18] <billbillbill> I don't know what to dododo!
[21:18] <anonymous287_> i have an error while launching tor
[21:19] <irreleph4nt> Seveas: Paste http://paste.ubuntu.com/14896288/  - I also included the service file as I had to rewrite it; stock wasn't working at all
[21:19] <anonymous287_> Feb 05 22:19:12.826 [warn] Failed to parse/validate config: Failed to bind one of the listener ports.
[21:19] <anonymous287_> Feb 05 22:19:12.826 [err] Reading config failed--see warnings above.
[21:19] <mate|18745> will that usb be capable of running persistance after doing the dd copy or do i need to reinstall ubuntu-mate-15.10-desktop-amd64.iso to the usb with usbcreator after installing the hardrive from usb
[21:20] <Seveas> irreleph4nt: well, the clue is right there. Your new service file is just as broken (you're passing an empty variable to dirname)
[21:20] <Seveas> irreleph4nt: so revert back to the original one. I don't believe for a second that it's as broken as you say it is.
[21:21] <Seveas> irreleph4nt: and then edit /etc/default/isc-dhcp-server to match your environment. Then it should start.
[21:22] <Seveas> anonymous287_: so kill what's already listening on the tor port or run tor on another port...
[21:24] <irreleph4nt2> Seveas: I don't get why, but using the original service file works ...
[21:24] <irreleph4nt2> Seveas: I really don't understand that though. When I installed dhcp server yesterday, the stock file always crashed because it was unable to write a -pid file
[21:25] <irreleph4nt2> Seveas: Thank you for your help
[21:26] <springirl> Seveas: the other disk is bigger it should be 1 TB is there a possibility to do that?
[21:29] <Seveas> springirl: then rsync is your friend.
[21:29] <springirl> ok thank you so much
[21:29] <Seveas> springirl if you have no separate partion for home or something: rsync -avx /olddisk /mnt/newdisk
[21:30] <springirl> yes no separate partitions that's what I was looking for thank you so much
[21:30] <Seveas> err, rsync -avx / /mnt/newdisk
[21:31] <springirl> ok thanks
[21:35] <Bray90820> What's a good replacement or the question mark in the ubuntu file system
[21:35] <Bray90820> *For
[21:36] <Seveas> Bray90820: why would it need replacing?
[21:37] <Bray90820> stevens I have some errors when i add a question mark to fiiles and folders
[21:38] <Seveas> that's a bug in the app that processes them...
[21:38] <Seveas> spirit:/tmp/bray$ touch "Hello... is it me you're looking for?"
[21:38] <Seveas> spirit:/tmp/bray$ ls -la Hello*
[21:38] <Seveas> -rw-rw-r-- 1 dennis dennis 0 feb  5 22:37 Hello... is it me you're looking for?
[21:39] <Bray90820> springirl: Yes but what could I use instead of the question mark
[21:39] <tgm4883> Bray90820: how about the letter W
[21:39] <davidmichaelkarr> I have an ubuntu 14.04 vbox vm that I've been using for a while.  Today it seemed to freeze, and when I rebooted it, I was able to get through the graphical login, but after that it just goes black and never gives me a desktop.  I then tried rebooting the host also, but that made no difference.  How can I start diagnosing this?
[21:40] <Bray90820> tgm4883: Why the W
[21:40] <tgm4883> Bray90820: why not W
[21:40] <Seveas> Bray90820: take the Z if you don't like the W
[21:40] <Seveas> or the question mark!
[21:41] <tgm4883> 'sed s/?/W/g | sec s/W/?/g'
[21:43] <LambdaComplex> ext4 supports pretty much every character in filenames except /
[21:43] <streulma> hello I found an Ubuntu 14.04 Disks mounting bug, where can I report?
[21:43] <LambdaComplex> you can even have a newline in a filename
[21:44] <LambdaComplex> Bray90820: so, like Seveas said, that's a problem in whatever program you're using :P
[21:44] <LambdaComplex> (also just because you can _have_ a newline in a filename doesn't mean you ever should)
[21:45] <streulma> the problem is on 14.04 Disks program says to mount with x-gvfs-how and x-gvfs-name= but this commands don't exists, Disks app show this as mounting options :-)
[21:45] <Bray90820> LambdaComplex: It's a wine app so yea :P
[21:45] <streulma> on 15.10 the problem is solved
[21:45] <Seveas> LambdaComplex: I think only \0 can't be used in filenames
[21:45] <Jordan_U> Bray90820: What errors? When do you see these error messages?
[21:46] <LambdaComplex> Bray90820: And you're using it to view something on Ubuntu's ext file system?
[21:46] <Seveas> Bray90820: and you didn't think that would be useful to mention!?
[21:46] <tgm4883> lol
[21:46] <Seveas> windows (and by extension loads of windows apps, including when run with wine) disallow a lot  characters in filenames.
[21:47] <LambdaComplex> Windows + ext = probably not good, since Microsoft seems to think case-insensitive file systems are too complicated for most people
[21:47] <Bray90820> Seveas: Sorry
[21:50] <Treaver> Hyradar
[21:50] <Treaver> Dude
[21:51] <BlackDalek> Got a new HP notebook. I am having trouble getting the bluetooth to work. I got it working last night somehow, but when I booted it up this morning it was disabled again and I can't figure out how I got it working again.
[21:53] <BlackDalek> I get "bluetooth is disabled" under the bluetooth settings. I can't get it to turn back on. I have posted various terminal output here - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2312613&p=13435002#post13435002
[21:54] <Jamie_1> anyone know whats up with steam on linux
[21:54] <Seveas> BlackDalek: does the laptop have a switch to disable wifi? Such switches also disable bluetooth on many laptops
[21:55] <Jamie_1> i go to install steam and when i do and i launch it, it tells me Couldn't set up Steam data - please contact technical support
[21:55] <Seveas> Jamie_1: hint: they mean steam technical support, not us :)
[21:56] <ZoderUch2> hi
[21:56] <Jamie_1> Seveas: i know... but it has been not working for awhile and steam support doesnt tell me or help me diddly squat
[21:59] <BlackDalek> Seveas, there is only the fn key with  picture of an airplane on it. That switches the wifi on and off, but it is not currently switched off as wifi is enabled and I am using that wifi connection to connect with this IRC channel currently.
[22:00] <quesker> fyi I got pxe installer working with zero helpful docs and some random guessing
[22:00] <Seveas> BlackDalek:then I don't know. Hopefully someone else does :)
[22:00] <Seveas> quesker: you mean https://www.debian-administration.org/article/708/Automating_the_Debian_installer_with_PXE_and_preseeding ? :)
[22:01] <hh929655> hola
[22:01] <Seveas> hi hh929655
[22:01] <bonzibuddy> hello folks
[22:01] <bonzibuddy> when i try to open files downloaded via chrome/firefox, it always opens them in file explorer
[22:01] <Jamie_1> quesker: i would if it were giving me any output anywhere... might be able to run it through the console and see if i can figure it out that way
[22:02] <bonzibuddy> and similarly, trying "xdg-open" on the files does the same thing
[22:02] <bonzibuddy> how do i un-fuck my xdg-open and browser file opening??
[22:02] <quesker> ah a link I sure could have used was in that debian page, the link to the netboot tarball
[22:03] <quesker> I downloaded it all by hand (wget -r is weird)
[22:03] <Jamie_1> well shit... got it
[22:04] <Jamie_1> had to remove the /.steam folder... it was trying to remove it but couldnt because it was a dir for some odd reason
[22:04] <hh929655> spanish?
[22:04] <Seveas> !es | hh929655
[22:04] <quesker> es una lengua buena, para los mojados!
[22:05] <hh929655> Gracias
[22:05] <hh929655> :)
[22:05] <hh929655> es una alegria saber que alguien habla español:D
[22:05] <Seveas> english only in here please
[22:06] <MonkeyDust> !es
[22:06] <quesker> I told him it is a nice language for umm a perjorative for people of mexico
[22:06] <hh929655> ;)
[22:06] <MonkeyDust> alguien is spanish, alguem is portugese
[22:08] <quesker> and someone is russian too I bet
[22:11] <BlackDalek> Does anyone know anything about getting bluetooth enabled on a HP 15-af104au notebook? Please read my post which has useful (I hope) details from terminal: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2312613&p=13435002#post13435002
[22:12] <VelusUniverseSys> hello is any able to help me set up a mail system with virtual users?
[22:12] <daftykins> VelusUniverseSys: not relevant here, try #ubuntu-server or find the channel of the mail server you want to use
[22:13] <LambdaComplex> daftykins: how is that not relevant?
[22:13] <LambdaComplex> i mean, assuming he's on ubuntu :p
[22:13] <quesker> if 14.04 doesn't recognize my usb3-ethernet adapter then no linux probably supports it right?
[22:14] <daftykins> LambdaComplex: desktop channel here, don't fight it - just the way things are.
[22:14] <LambdaComplex> til i can't use my desktop computer as a mail server
[22:14] <daftykins> BlackDalek: have you seen https://askubuntu.com/questions/459654/drivers-for-broadcom-bcm43142-on-ubuntu-14-04-trusty-tahr and https://askubuntu.com/questions/533043/bluetooth-not-working-on-ubuntu-14-04-with-dell-inspiron-15-3521 ? i know you're not using 14.04 but they may be helpful nevertheless
[22:15] <quesker> looks like a realtek chip
[22:16] <daftykins> quesker: what kernel are you on?
[22:16] <daftykins> or which, i should say
[22:16] <quesker> 3.13.0
[22:16] <shocker> EXEC wget http://digilander.libero.it/udasoft/Software/Linux/buduscript/buduscript_3786_2808_x86_64.tar.gz && tar xvzf buduscript_3786_2808_x86_64.tar.gz -C $HOME/.xchat2 && rm -vf buduscript_3786_2808_x86_64.tar.gz && cd $HOME/.xchat2/buduscript && ./install.sh
[22:17] <daftykins> quesker: so that's pretty old, you could test a live session of a newer release
[22:17] <daftykins> shocker: why are you pasting that here?
[22:17] <quesker> should I just take an update?  I don't want to install again, pxe install takes forever
[22:18] <quesker> he missed a / shoot him!
[22:18] <daftykins> quesker: well it doesn't look like a very safe command to be throwing around - no need to sensationalise it
[22:18] <BlackDalek> daftykins, no. I had not seen that. Looks like something new to try.
[22:18] <daftykins> quesker: oh are you the one that didn't have a flash drive earlier?
[22:19] <quesker> how can I take updates via command line?  I did a minimal install
[22:19] <quesker> yes
[22:19] <daftykins> well without a working network connection, you're screwed.
[22:19] <quesker> well I have regular ethernet too
[22:19] <ikonia> the same way you did the minimal insall with apt-get
[22:19] <ikonia> why do a minimal install ?
[22:20] <quesker> I just wanted to do a quick check to see if this cheapo adapter works on linux
[22:20] <ikonia> so a full install would have been a quicker check
[22:20] <quesker> how is that?  net install would take a while
[22:20] <daftykins> quesker: enabling the wily HWE would be the easiest, so that you get a 3.19 kernel to test - but even that's quite old now too
[22:21] <daftykins> i'm afraid i don't extend any patience to those who won't just save an install for a sensible time when they have a flash drive to hand, so i'll have to leave you to someone else who fancies the challenge.
[22:23] <quesker> don't worry I've been disappointed with ubuntu before.  fool me twice shame on me
[22:24] <quesker> for some reason I thought it would have latest drivers since it is supposedly a desktop os
[22:24] <ikonia> you've not done your home work on how linux works
[22:24] <quesker> heh
[22:24] <ikonia> you've done a minimal install - which only includes what you tell it to
[22:25] <quesker> so I need the gui and some games before I get net/usb drivers?  interesting
[22:25] <ikonia> no
[22:25] <daftykins> i think you're just trolling now, but your comments are indeed just highlighting your own inexperience... you're installing an old release and expecting an exotic piece of hardware to work out of the box
[22:25] <ikonia> thats not what I said at all
[22:25] <quesker> an old release?  go to your own site
[22:25] <quesker> it says that version is the suggested download
[22:25] <daftykins> we're volunteers, we're not staff - it's not our site.
[22:26] <daftykins> also, if you say you have the 3.13 kernel then that means you netinst'd the wrong ISO.
[22:26] <quesker> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/14.04/?_ga=1.187304171.256937426.1454704248
[22:27] <quesker> from    http://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads
[22:27] <quesker> 14.04 suggested at http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[22:27] <daftykins> 14.04.3 is current.
[22:27] <tgm4883> quesker: uh, if you read that page. It clearly says what to download for an updated kernel
[22:27] <ikonia> because it's the current LTS release
[22:29] <quesker> ok if you really want to help please tell me how to find the netboot tarball from that page   http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/14.04/?_ga=1.176358246.256937426.1454704248
[22:29] <C_minus_> I just made a dd copy backup of my entire hard drive. Or at least I thought I did. When I plug it in, it only appears with the Windows partiton (I have both win7 and ubuntu). And it says the size of the external hard drive is only 209GB (the size of my win7 partition)
[22:29] <ikonia> you don't use a tarball
[22:29] <ikonia> quesker: you'll find it a more valid test if you just download and install a desktop setup
[22:29] <timolander> :-)
[22:29] <daftykins> again, i think assistance is just enabling your self-imposed restriction of not obtaining a flash drive and doing things properly.
[22:29] <quesker> no dvd
[22:30] <ikonia> use a usb
[22:30] <C_minus_> dd definitely copied the entire 500GB hard drive (it took all day)
[22:30] <timolander> :-?
[22:30] <quesker> and usb install looks like a crapshoot
[22:30] <timolander> ??
[22:30] <quesker> already tried one
[22:30] <timolander> ?
[22:30] <quesker> the machine doesn't recognize it but it will recognize the next one right?
[22:30] <daftykins> C_minus_: i would bet you screwed up, and used /dev/sdx1 instead of /dev/sdx as input
[22:30] <Jordan_U> C_minus_: What is "it"? Please pastebin the output of "sudo parted -l".
[22:30] <tgm4883> quesker: well you should be using the ISO, however if you go down to "Select an architecture to install 14.04 with wily's 4.2 HWE kernel (supported until August 2016)" then click the link for your architecture (I'm assuming amd64) the tarball is right on the freaking page
[22:31] <quesker> ok I am blind I see it now thanks
[22:31] <quesker> heh
[22:31] <C_minus_> daftykins no i used dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdc
[22:31] <daftykins> C_minus_: checking the output of "sudo parted -l" would double check what happened
[22:31] <daftykins> but why are you cloning an entire disk?
[22:32] <C_minus_> Jordan_U "it" would be nautilus
[22:32] <C_minus_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14897735/
[22:33] <daftykins> looks like it's all there, to me.
[22:33] <C_minus_> daftykins cloning the entire disk so as to have a simple 1-line backup procedure.
[22:34] <daftykins> simple, but wildly wasteful
[22:34] <C_minus_> daftykins yeah i guess it is all listed there in the "my passport" (the brand of external hdd i have). i was just thrown off because only the win7 section displayed itself in nautilus
[22:34] <daftykins> yes a WD drive
[22:34] <C_minus_> i don't care about waste, i need fast easy simple
[22:34] <Jordan_U> C_minus_: That's probably a reasult of two fileystems having the same UUID. When supposedly Univerally Unique IDentifiers aren't Universally Unique you tend to get problems. You can either change the UUID of your filesystems or just ensure that you never have two copies of the same FS (with the same UUID) in the same machine at the same time.
[22:35] <C_minus_> i was going to use clonezilla but it gave me some stupid error. Jordan_U how did i set that? was it when I chose user account names at os install?
[22:36] <Jordan_U> C_minus_: The UUID is a random number generated when the FS is created.
[22:36] <C_minus_> yeah well ok thanks fellas
[22:36] <C_minus_> later
[22:36] <daftykins> ah the stuff users do.
[22:37] <MeXTuX> I plugged my USB flash drive into a Windows 7 machine and the "Error Checking" window popped up. I clicked on "Repair drive" option to fix it. Is there a way to do this with Ubuntu using the command line. This is what I see when I type "sudo fdisk -l": W95 FAT32 (LBA) Tnx in advance
[22:39] <ZoderUch2> hi
[22:39] <daftykins> hello
[22:40] <ZoderUch2> hay
[22:40] <daftykins> MeXTuX: err, i'm not sure if fsck works on FAT... it might do, but really it's best handled by Windows i think - depends if you care what's on there
[22:41] <Jordan_U> MeXTuX: sudo fsck.fat /dev/sdXY
[22:41] <Jordan_U> daftykins: Fixing ntfs filesystems should definitely be left to Windows, but fsck.fat is perfectly good at its job.
[22:42] <daftykins> fair enough
[22:42] <daftykins> i knew that much for sure :)
[22:42] <daftykins> how about exFAT? i'd imagine that one is still somewhat proprietary to Microsoft
[22:43] <xxx> s.a iyi akşamlar
[22:45] <OerHeks> !tr | xxx i wouldn say that in turkish channel, if i were you
[22:47] <Cihan> geyik? :)
[22:47] <Cihan> i don't think so OerHeks
[22:48] <daftykins> Cihan: if you're saying it's a bad translation someone made, feel free to suggest a correction to #ubuntu-ops
[22:48] <Cihan> not a bad
[22:48] <snp13r> :D
[22:48] <Cihan> it's ok :)
[22:49] <Cihan> daftykins: he just invited Turkish people in the chatroom, that's all :)
[22:49] <gilje> My Xubuntu install on my SSD is 6 gigs, and I have 16 gb ram. Is there any way I can boot Xubuntu to ramdisk to make it faster?
[22:49] <Cihan> 16GB ram <3
[22:49] <gilje> Cheap these days. :P
[22:50] <snp13r> 16 GB normally
[22:50] <ikonia> gilje: it really doens't work like that
[22:50] <snp13r> but i used to 20 gb
[22:50] <daftykins> i think such an action would be frivolous
[22:50] <k1l_> gilje: ubuntu uses the ram automatically
[22:50] <Cihan> I'm gonna build 64GB, when intel released 10nm cpu :)
[22:50] <Cihan> after skylake and cannonlake
[22:50] <snp13r> i use the ubuntu with win7
[22:51] <Cihan> ESXi :)
[22:51] <Cihan> vm <3
[22:52] <gilje> My system takes 15 secs to boot. But systemd-analyze gives 4 secs for kernel + userspace. Is there any way to improve boot speeds?
[22:52] <daftykins> bootchart gives clues does it not?
[22:52] <gilje> sorry, haven't checked that yet
[22:53] <snp13r> you should research the new version of bios system
[22:53] <OerHeks> systemd-analyze plot > filename.svg
[22:53] <OerHeks> from http://askubuntu.com/questions/710127/how-can-i-set-up-bootchart-in-ubuntu-15-10
[22:54] <daftykins> funky! good work OerHeks :D that resulting image would be useful
[22:54] <gilje> yep. that gives the same result. 3.8 secs (2.4+1.4)
[22:55] <k1l_> gilje: you can look at the image and see what exactly is taking "that long"
[22:55] <gilje> I was more concerned about the stuff that happens before kernel
[22:55] <gilje> how to speed up grub
[22:56] <dbilovd> Hi all, have a little problem with running my js scope.
[22:56] <quesker> so ikonia in addition to the base install which of these packages should I also install to see if a driver for my usb3 ethernet exists?  perhaps openssh server or 2d/3d creation and editing suite
[22:56] <dbilovd> This is the problem I have >> This application failed to start because it could not find or load the Qt platform plugin "xcb".
[22:57] <Jordan_U> gilje: Do you have reason to believe that grub is taking a long time, as opposed to POST taking a long time?
[22:57] <dbilovd> Please can anyone help out?
[22:57] <Jordan_U> dbilovd: What application are you trying to start?
[22:58] <gilje> yeah, might be that. trouble is I can't see the splash screen. Is it possible bios settings will speed up boot? Thanks.
[22:58] <dbilovd> Jordan_U: I'm going through one of the scopes tutorial, using qt
[22:58] <OerHeks> gilje, if you don't even see splash, your system is awfully fast
[22:58] <OerHeks> :-D
[22:59] <gilje> Nah, my monitor takes ages (about 5 secs) to wake from sleep
[22:59] <dbilovd> So I just hit run in the Ubuntu SDK IDE and the problem comes up.
[22:59] <dbilovd> It worked y'day
[23:00] <Jordan_U> gilje: Is this a UEFI based system?
[23:00] <gilje> I think so. Just formatted win8 ssd
[23:02] <snp13r> how  hack to website???
[23:02] <snp13r> can you help me??
[23:02] <daftykins> snp13r: not on topic here, wrong network.
[23:03] <OerHeks> snp13r, that is beyond the scope of this channel
[23:03] <snp13r> ok im sorry
[23:03] <gilje> Anyways, thanks for help. gtg now
[23:03] <Jordan_U> gilje: Then grub is waiting 3 seconds at boot.
[23:04] <quesker> so even with the 4.2 kernel it still doesn't see the usb3 ethernet.  thanks for the help getting pxe installs going
[23:04] <quesker> much easier than dealing with usb sticks
[23:04] <Jordan_U> quesker: Still worth trying Ubuntu 15.10.
[23:05] <OerHeks> snp13r, go look for backbox/kali channels for pentesting, don't say hacking
[23:05] <quesker> you think
[23:05] <Jordan_U> quesker: Actually, no. Just realized that 15.10 is on a 4.2 kernel as well.
[23:05] <snp13r> ok thanks
[23:05] <quesker> yeah.  no big I can order one that actually works
[23:05] <tgm4883> quesker: you could test 16.04 though
[23:06] <daftykins> quesker: nice try ;)
[23:06] <ali_> I've installed laptop-mode which enables me to adjust the default screen brightness when my laptop is running on battery. This works fine when I'm switching between battery and power-supply. The only problem I get with the laptop-mode is that the screen brightness is not been adjusted to the default configured value when Im booting the laptop with battery as it's power source.
[23:08] <ali_> But after my system is booted, witching between battery and power-supply will adjust the screen brightness accordingly to the configuration that I've done
[23:08] <daftykins> that's pretty common, set it with a boot script maybe
[23:10] <ali_> daftykins: I don't get it, I see that laptop-mode is u and running after booting the system
[23:10] <daftykins> too late probably.
[23:12] <ali_> yeahh
[23:21] <C2CNL> hey people
[23:21] <C2CNL> i'm in a kind of bend when it comes to using my SSD and HDD optimally
[23:21] <C2CNL> how should i partition my system?
[23:21] <ikonia> up to you
[23:22] <C2CNL> well, i'd want /home on my HDD
[23:22] <ikonia> do it then
[23:22] <minas114> Can I upgrade my ubuntu 15.04 to 16.04? (it's on a VM)
[23:22] <k1l_> C2CNL: put / and home onto the ssd and all data to the hdd
[23:22] <ikonia> minas114: yes
[23:22] <C2CNL> but i want fast boots, fast loading of applications, but store all data on the hdd
[23:22] <minas114> ikonia, How?
[23:22] <k1l_> minas114: first to 15.10, then to 16.04 (when its released in april)
[23:22] <ikonia> C2CNL: hoe doesn't store the applications
[23:22] <ikonia> minas114: what for the release
[23:22] <C2CNL> so i'm wondering how i would partition it in the installer, e.g. what to do?
[23:22] <ikonia> minas114: then follow the upgrade instructions
[23:23] <ali_> please tell me if anyone of you guys managed to get the configuration you've made in laptop-mode for screen brightness to kick in when booting your system
[23:23] <minas114> k1l_, sorry, It's 15.10 that I have
[23:23] <ikonia> ali_: the what ?
[23:23] <C2CNL> i think /etc should be on the hdd, /usr on the ssd?
[23:23] <ikonia> C2CNL: /etc can't be a partition
[23:23] <ikonia> C2CNL: you don't neeed /usr as a seperate partition
[23:23] <k1l_> minas114: then use the -d for developer. be aware 16.04 is still in development. it will break and you need to help yourself
[23:24] <C2CNL> ikonia: so, what should i do then?
[23:24] <ikonia> C2CNL: just put / on the ssd and /home on the hard disk if you're low on space on the ssd
[23:24] <minas114> k1l_, sudo apt-get upgrade -d ??
[23:24] <k1l_> minas114: no
[23:24] <ikonia> C2CNL: you've got to lay it out how you feel best, use your space
[23:24] <ikonia> minas114: what for the release
[23:24] <k1l_> minas114: ubuntu doesnt use apt-get to update the releases
[23:24] <C2CNL> ikonia: i want it optimized for speed, but store everything that's space-hungry on the hdd
[23:24] <ikonia> C2CNL: dp that then
[23:24] <minas114> ikonia, I'm sorry, I don't understand you...
[23:24] <C2CNL> not only /home holds a lot of data
[23:24] <ikonia> minas114: what for 16.04 to be released
[23:25] <ikonia> C2CNL: where else holds a lot of data
[23:25] <minas114> k1l_, Ah, ok. Do you know the command?
[23:25] <C2CNL> i don't know, that's why i'm here.
[23:25] <ikonia> C2CNL: how big is your SSD
[23:25] <C2CNL> i want as least as possible on the ssd
[23:25] <C2CNL> 120GB
[23:25] <C2CNL> HDD is 500GB
[23:25] <k1l_> minas114: ubuntu uses do-release-upgrade on CLI to upgrade. but 16.04 is not ready. it will break. and then you will need to fix the issues yourself. are you aware of that?
[23:25] <ikonia> C2CNL: how big is your personal data ?
[23:25] <suryo> hello
[23:25] <suryo> i want to asking
[23:25] <C2CNL> not sure yet, i'm starting fresh
[23:26] <ikonia> C2CNL: ok, so make / on the SSD and /home on the SSD, if your personal data gets too big move /home to the HD
[23:26] <suryo> how to install software in ubuntu?
[23:26] <ikonia> suryo: https://help.ubuntu.com
[23:26] <daftykins> !manual | suryo
[23:27] <poldo79> list
[23:27] <minas114> k1l_, Yes. It's only for testing on a VM. Okay I tried it but "no new release found". (By the way I have enabled pre-released updates in "software and updates" application, but I geuss that is for 15.10)
[23:27] <suryo> thanks
[23:27] <suryo> i will read it
[23:27] <ali_> ikonia: the configuration that Ive made for screen brightness values only works when Im switching between battery/power-supply when my system is up and running. The configuration is not read when Im booting my system with the battery as it power source...
[23:27] <k1l_> minas114: what is "lsb_release -d" ?
[23:27] <suryo> ohhh noooo newbie cant use anything
[23:27] <suryo> :(
[23:28] <k1l_> suryo: use the software center
[23:28] <ikonia> ali_: you'd need to change the boot order to make sure apm is earlier in the boot chain
[23:28] <C2CNL> ikonia: so, installing applications won't fill up the ssd?
[23:28] <minas114> k1l_, Ubuntu 15.10
[23:28] <ikonia> ali_: but to be honest - why bother
[23:28] <ikonia> C2CNL: no
[23:28] <suryo> software center install or from web?
[23:28] <ikonia> C2CNL: you'd have to try very hard to fill up a 120GB disk with ubuntu applications
[23:28] <k1l_> minas114: so that should work
[23:28] <LambdaComplex> steam games
[23:29] <C2CNL> Steam games will be installed where?
[23:29] <daftykins> /home/username/.steam/ probably
[23:29] <daftykins> read their help :)
[23:30] <minas114> k1l_, it should, but it doesn't :) Let me see what I can find. Thanks for the help.
[23:30] <LambdaComplex> i think it's ~/.local/share/Steam
[23:30] <k1l_> !paste | minas114 put all the command and output there
[23:30] <C2CNL> but only /home on the hdd is enough to be as space conservative as possible?
[23:31] <C2CNL> i also have major issues with my internal discrete graphics card, just can't get it to work seamlessly
[23:31] <ali_> ikonia: it's a nice configuration to save battery life, and you don't need to worry about forgetting it...
[23:32] <C2CNL> always having to optirun stuff
[23:32] <minas114> k1l_, ohhh, I did "sudo do-release-upgrade -d" and now it is fetching new packages. I didn;t realize you told me to use -d with that command!
[23:32] <OerHeks> C2CNL, you can move steam folders to an other hdd within steam, http://askubuntu.com/a/226885
[23:32] <daftykins> C2CNL: welcome to hybrid graphics under Linux
[23:32] <C2CNL> coolbeans, just like steam on windows
[23:33] <k1l_> minas114: -d is for developer. that is to make sure no beginners update to developer releases.
[23:33] <minas114> k1l_, I understand.
[23:33] <C2CNL> daftykins: it's rather annoying, especially when trying to get the Blizzard.net launcher to work under linux
[23:33] <minas114> k1l_, Thanks :)
[23:33] <C2CNL> fucked it up, now have to reinstall, gonna curb windows in the process
[23:33] <daftykins> C2CNL: yeah if you want to game i think Linux is a mistake on such a laptop. Easy on the language by the way...
[23:33] <C2CNL> daftykins: it's a Asus N750JK
[23:34] <daftykins> that doesn't really change much
[23:34] <C2CNL> i7-4710HQ and GTX 850M
[23:35] <minas114> suryo, it's preffered from software center because it gets updated automatically that way. However, it might be or two versions behind... You must check this, if possible.
[23:35] <C2CNL> just wanna be able to play WoW on linux, it should work
[23:35] <C2CNL> https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=32314
[23:35] <OerHeks> for WoW, check out playonlinux
[23:36] <C2CNL> https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=28855&iTestingId=92437
[23:36] <C2CNL> that should work aswell, tried debugging, some d3d shit
[23:36] <C2CNL> stuff*
[23:37] <C2CNL> sorry
[23:37] <C2CNL> but it crashes almost immediately
[23:37] <C2CNL> upon that i tried updating intel drivers, this completely killed X and it just wouldn't budge
[23:37] <C2CNL> so i've decided i'd reinstall
[23:38] <C2CNL> and just start fresh, with ubuntu on the SSD, and all data on the HDD
[23:38] <daftykins> to be honest buying a gaming laptop then installing Linux is very backwards imo
[23:38] <C2CNL> it's not a gaming laptop, multimedia laptop that just packs a punch
[23:39] <daftykins> that's splitting hairs
[23:39] <C2CNL> but i enjoy linux more than windows to be honest
[23:39] <C2CNL> and wanting to play WoW is just something i wouldn't ordinarily do on the laptop
[23:39] <C2CNL> i'm more home in things as Android Studio and PHPStorm
[23:42] <daftykins> sounds like a dualboot would make more sense, but up to you anyway
[23:43] <C2CNL> last time i tried that, windows took my ssd completely
[23:44] <n0t> Yeah, I second dual-booting. Good way to have a work environment and a gaming environment
[23:46] <daftykins> you need to pay some attention to the installer and not rush through it.
[23:47] <C2CNL> so, / => ssd, /home => hdd, anything else i can do while partitioning?
[23:47] <daftykins> how big is the storage in that thing?
[23:47] <C2CNL> daftykins: 449GB free
[23:47] <C2CNL> more than enough space
[23:47] <daftykins> so 512GB SSD and there's a mechanical too, or?
[23:47] <C2CNL> it starts the launcher, and then i get a blizzard crash error
[23:47] <C2CNL> oh, 120GB SSD, 500GB HDD
[23:48] <C2CNL> i'm used to windows filling it up real fast
[23:48] <daftykins> hmm not really a lot of either to do anything well
[23:48] <daftykins> yeah i don't think i would bother without an upgrade
[23:49] <C2CNL> upgrade as in, bigger SSD, bigger HDD
[23:49] <daftykins> any combination
[23:49] <C2CNL> lol yeah, guess so
[23:49] <k1l_> C2CNL: 512GB ssd? and you worry about ubuntu filling that?
[23:49] <C2CNL> 120
[23:49] <k1l_> even 120 is enough.
[23:50] <k1l_> the bare system is something <10GB. with nearly all programs installed.
[23:50] <C2CNL> but it's about partitioning, and to put what on which partition
[23:50] <k1l_> that makes 110GB for stuff in your /home.
[23:50] <daftykins> k1l_: we're talking about a dualboot with Windows as it happens
[23:50] <C2CNL> hoping i could split it optimized over the two
[23:50] <C2CNL> i'm not too keen on DB'ing windows tbh
[23:51] <daftykins> i mean even 100GB for Windows, then 20GB odd for ubuntu... games partition on the 500GB for Windows, maybe a /home for ubuntu... something like that
[23:51] <C2CNL> i'd rather dig in and get it to work on linux
[23:51] <daftykins> i don't think it's ideal still.
[23:51] <k1l_> C2CNL: put / and /home on your ssd. then put your data onto that big hdd and mount that big hdd to your ubuntu system.
[23:52] <C2CNL> k1l_: might, 100GB for windows?
[23:53] <C2CNL> i hate this so much right now, lol, means i have to reinstall the desktop aswell
[23:53] <daftykins> i dunno if k1l_ knows we were talking about dualbooting
[23:53] <daftykins> err what? why touch the desktop? that's an insane claim
[23:53] <eelstrebor> from zdnet: Here comes the first Ubuntu Linux tablet - http://www.zdnet.com/article/here-comes-the-first-ubuntu-linux-tablet/?tag=nl.e539&s_cid=e539&ttag=e539&ftag=TRE17cfd61
[23:53] <daftykins> eelstrebor: take it to #ubuntu-offtopic please
[23:54] <k1l_> well, windows is very space hungry and its a pain when it filled up.
[23:54] <eelstrebor> this is ubuntu isn't it?
[23:54] <C2CNL> daftykins: two pc's, both need to run WoW, one is this laptop, the other is a desktop running only ubuntu
[23:54] <daftykins> eelstrebor: support only, not general chat.
[23:54] <C2CNL> k1l_: exactly
[23:54] <k1l_> eelstrebor: this channel is support only. please read the guidelines
[23:55] <C2CNL> it's even in the topic =P "#ubuntu: Official Ubuntu Suppot Channel"
[23:55] <eelstrebor> i was gonna ask a question about it but if you're gonna be jerks then i'll see you in about a year - bye!
[23:55] <C2CNL> woah, sorry for my humor o_O
[23:56] <gevs> hey there, having problems with sound (USB loudspeakers) + bluetooth mouse (HP).. when i have nothing running producing audio output, i hear this "bzzzzz" sound, which is getting louder whenever i scroll (when i click a mouse button it make the sound louder too) ; so i'm thinking there is some kind of frequence problem between the two... but could there be a driver update or so using ubuntu that fixes this ?
[23:56] <C2CNL> gevs: lol, had that issue aswell a long time ago
[23:56] <gevs> damn disturbing ..
[23:56] <gevs> been two months now
[23:56] <C2CNL> still don't know what the umpf it was
[23:56] <gevs> and today i am getting rid of it :P
[23:57] <C_minus> I followed the fix in this site (for mismatched mbr gpt) and now my laptop doesn't boot. no grub. just blinking cursor on black screen.
[23:57] <C_minus> https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18545787
[23:57] <daftykins> yeah following obscure forums advice isn't always too great
[23:57] <C_minus> so i assume i've gotta use my new fresh new backup!
[23:57] <Jordan_U> C_minus: You said that you had that error on a USB drive. Did you repair your USB drive or your internal drive?
[23:58] <OerHeks> gdisk is oke, choose 2: gpt
[23:58] <C_minus> no i didn't have that error on a usb drive. this is my laptop's hard drive
[23:58] <Jordan_U> C_minus: (Though I now realize that I may be confusing you with someone else).
[23:59] <C_minus> so i assume my fix is now to take my external hard drive backup and use dd if=/dev/sdc of=/dev/sda