[01:13] <lfaraone|really> Hm. I tried building http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/revu1-incoming/sushi-1002112221/sushi_1.1.1-0ubuntu1.dsc from source, but I get a bunch of errors related to waf unpacking itself and adding .pyc files. I assume I should remove these files in rules?
[01:16] <Linux000> lfaraone|really: You are trying to build that package, right?
[02:12] <MTecknology> Is it possible to use a ppa on a debian system?
[02:12] <MTecknology> if you just add the apt line?
[02:26] <lfaraone|really> Linux000: yes.
[02:26] <lfaraone|really> MTecknology: yes.
[02:27] <MTecknology> lfaraone|really: thanks
[02:36] <ScottK> Doesn't necessarily mean you'll get packages that work.
[02:36] <ScottK> Binary compatibility between Ubuntu and Debian is not even a design goal for Ubuntu, let alone something one can rely on.
[02:37] <ScottK> Depending on what they package is, it may or may not work.
[02:58] <lfaraone|really> ScottK: but, it is however "possible" :)
[02:58] <ScottK> lfaraone|really: Certainly.
[03:00] <ScottK> Lots of things are possible that aren't a good idea.  I wasn't meaning to disagree with you.
[06:32] <MTeck-ricer> what do I need to be able to install grub on no-multilib?>
[06:35] <MTeck-ricer> oh.. grub-static
[06:42] <MTeck-ricer> wrong chan too...
[07:48] <pmcenery> Does anyone know at which point in the Debian package upload process a sync request can be submitted? I.e. after it has passed new?
[08:59] <duanedesign> working on a FFe, building the new upstream source I am getting  two(2) warnings.  http://paste.ubuntu.com/401850/
[10:49] <ari-tczew> Permission denied (publickey). bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist.
[10:49] <ari-tczew> how can I fix it?
[10:50] <geser> are you using the same SSH key as stored in your LP profile?
[10:53] <ari-tczew> how can check it?
[10:57] <geser> are you using an ssh-agent and does ssh-add -l list your key?
[10:58] <ari-tczew> I'm not using ssh-agent
[10:58] <ari-tczew> $ ssh-add -l Could not open a connection to your authentication agent.
[10:59] <geser> no problem
[10:59] <ari-tczew> geser: huh?
[10:59] <geser> then you probably have a file ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub (or similar) (it's some time since I used a real SSH-key)
[11:01] <ari-tczew> geser: in ~/.ssh exist only file known_hosts
[11:02] <geser> ok, do you have a SSH key?
[11:03] <geser> did you generate one with ssh-keygen in the past?
[11:03] <ari-tczew> geser: I have created key a long time ago and it exist in my LP page, but I created second key 10 minutes ago
[11:04] <ari-tczew> I'm confused about it all, I don't understand these procedures and make me crazy
[11:05] <geser> if you add this second SSH key to LP (as it's a different one), your bzr problem should go away
[11:07] <ari-tczew> geser: I found these 2 files .pub, do I need to move correct .pub file anywhere?
[11:08] <ari-tczew> can I use 1st key if I found .pub file?
[11:08] <geser> a SSH key is similar to a GPG key, it consists of a public part (those in the .pub file) and a private part (usually similar named but without .pub)
[11:10] <geser> if you put the contents of the .pub file into ~/.ssh/authorized_keys (or add it to your LP profile), you can use the private part of the key for authentication when access the other server
[11:11] <ari-tczew> geser: I have added key on LP
[11:12] <ari-tczew> problem is not fixed!
[11:12] <geser> :(
[11:13] <ari-tczew> geser: I think about clear all ssh keys from my system and try to create since zero
[11:13] <ari-tczew> and clear from LP
[11:14] <geser> if this doesn't help too, try getting help from #launchpad as I'm out of ideas
[11:19] <ari-tczew> what's the f_cking system this bzr!
[11:21] <pmcenery> superm1: just installed latest updates and still crashed. See bug #549459.
[11:23] <pmcenery> superm1: I initially tried without libdvdcss2 installed, and thought this may be the reason for the crash, so I have added it, but doesnt make any diff.
[11:38] <AnAnt> Hello, can someone review/sponsor http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=8017 , it has been granted an FFe in LP #543679
[13:14] <ari-tczew> I have created branch on my LP page, I sent new revision, but bzr leave debian/patches/ directory, what happens?
[13:22] <geser> was debian/patches already in the branch or did you add it?
[13:27] <ari-tczew> geser: I did add directory /debian/patches and file.patch in /debian/patches
[13:28] <geser> did you also "bzr add debian/patches/file.patch"? because bzr only track those files it knows about to track
[13:29] <ari-tczew> geser: nope, I'll try do it
[13:30] <ari-tczew> why LP-Branches shows my ssh-key login instead my e-mail ?
[13:32] <ari-tczew> geser: please take a look @ https://code.launchpad.net/~ari-tczew/+junk/weechat
[13:33] <ari-tczew> e.g. your revision has been called to your LP account, but my revision doesn't call to my LP account
[13:51] <ari-tczew> ...
[14:04] <ari-tczew> bdrung: ping
[14:05] <bdrung> ari-tczew: pong
[14:05] <geser> ari-tczew: what does "bzr whoami" return for you?
[14:06] <ari-tczew> the same as LP-Branches
[14:06] <ari-tczew> how can I change whoami?
[14:09] <geser> with 'bzr whoami "Artur Rona <your@email>' (see bzr help whoami)
[14:10] <ari-tczew> bdrung: ok, nevermind
[14:10] <ari-tczew> geser, thanks!
[14:43] <ari-tczew> if I want to give a patch to fix bug instead debdiff, is enough link to my branch?
[14:44] <nigelb> ari-tczew: is the package maintained in bzr?
[14:44] <ari-tczew> nigelb: maintained?
[14:45] <ari-tczew> package has got registered branch in ubuntu, if you mean about it
[14:45] <nigelb> ari-tczew: aha, then link to branch and request merge
[14:46] <ari-tczew> thanks
[14:52] <ari-tczew> which patchsystem require debian/patches/series file?
[14:52] <nigelb> quilt usually
[14:53] <ari-tczew> in debian/rules: include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/simple-patchsys.mk is enough?
[14:53] <nigelb> ouch, that doesn't look like quilt
[14:53] <nigelb> do a what-patch inside the source folder
[14:53] <nigelb> it should be cdbs
[14:54] <ari-tczew> yea, cdbs
[14:54] <ari-tczew> so if  I'll got "quilt" by what-patch I need to create series file, right?
[14:55] <nigelb> check in control file if the source format is 3.0?
[14:55] <nigelb> if so, how cdbs and 3.0 works together is a mystery to me.  maybe someone else can help
[14:56] <ari-tczew> this is not 3.0 source format
[14:56] <nigelb> in that case do you need a series file?
[14:56] <ari-tczew> I am only asking when do I need add series file...
[14:56] <ari-tczew> I got cdbs, so not
[14:57] <nigelb> ah, I think (someone correct me if I'm wrong) series is file is only when using quilt pactching system or source format 3.0 (quilt)
[14:58] <ari-tczew> thanks
[15:07] <ari-tczew> why I can not create branch like /package/karmic ?
[15:07] <ari-tczew> only /package-karmic
[15:10] <geser> ari-tczew: as you seem to try to gain experience with bzr and package branches, have you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/Documentation?
[15:11] <geser> I found it quite useful when I experimented with package branches
[15:24] <paissad> what do you usually use to make a patch ? .... quilt command  or patch command ?
[15:25] <paissad> i have created 2 patches files & i put them in debian/patches/
[15:25] <ari-tczew> paissad: do you have 2 patches or 2 patched files?
[15:26] <paissad> ari-tczew, i created to diff files & i put them in debian/patches
[15:26] <paissad> i did --> diff -u file.orig file > file.diff
[15:26] <paissad> i put file.diff into debian/patches
[15:26] <paissad> i did the same operation for the other file
[15:27] <nigelb> um, that wont work
[15:27] <nigelb> paissad, do you know what patch system is being used?
[15:27] <nigelb> (just type what-patch inside the source directory
[15:28] <paissad> nigelb, patch system ? ... don't know what you mean ... i want to modify 2 files from upstream source ... i thought that i just have to create a diff file & apply it during call from debian/rules
[15:28] <paissad> wrong ?
[15:29] <nigelb> you want to fix a bug right?
[15:29] <nigelb> and you've got the lucid source?
[15:30] <paissad> nigelb, it's no a bug ... actually upstream source developper put it's log file in /tmp ... but i modified the source so that the log file is saved in /var/log/$prog_name.log
[15:31] <nigelb> paissad, you're trying to fix that for lucid, i.e., get the changes into Ubuntu.  am I right?
[15:31] <paissad> yes
[15:32] <nigelb> if you can follow the ubuntu/debian development process and generate a debdiff you can get into lucid easily
[15:32] <nigelb> so, first, what does the 2 patches do?
[15:33] <nigelb> since we're quite late into the lucid cycle depending on what it does you might need a feature free exception.  If it fixes, a bug, not needed.
[15:33] <paissad> i think it's to complicated to create a debdiff ... & i think you misunderstand me !
[15:33] <paissad> i have to apply the diff before running debuild
[15:33] <paissad> :)
[15:33] <nigelb> yes, I know
[15:34] <nigelb> but what I wanted to know was whether you wanted to generate a debdiff or just supply the patches so someone can do it for you
[16:22] <jbicha> I'm trying to request a FFE/sync request for gramps, could someone guide me through what I need to do? bug 549045
[16:23] <RainCT> hey jcastro :)
[16:23] <jcastro> howdy
[16:23] <nigelb> jbicha, provide and build log and install log too
[16:33] <iulian> jbicha: See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess.
[16:48] <psusi> blast.... gcc doesn't have itoa?  what was the standard alternative to it? I can't seem to remember
[16:52] <superm1> pmcenery, cool, well hopefully the apport retracer will be able to help us get to the bottom of it, thanks for filing the bug
[17:23] <jbicha> ok, I uploaded a build & install log, anything else I should do before subscribing ubuntu-release ?
[17:25] <ari-tczew> jbicha: test package
[17:26] <jbicha> ari-tczew: what do you mean?
[17:27] <ari-tczew> so you did install, then open a program and test all functions
[17:29] <ScottK> Or even some?
[17:39] <ejat> if we got make: *** [patch-stamp] Error 1 .. where should we take a look ?
[17:39] <ari-tczew> patch is wrong
[17:39] <ejat> ari-tczew: yeah .. but how to trace ..
[17:40] <ejat> inside the patch file
[17:40] <ari-tczew> is there a .hunk file?
[17:40] <ejat> no
[17:40] <ari-tczew> did you patch manually or did you get patch from internet?
[17:41] <ejat> from the net
[17:41] <ari-tczew> so you should did patch (diff command) between 2 folders
[17:41] <ari-tczew> manually
[17:42] <ari-tczew> then you have full control on changes which will be in patch
[17:44] <ari-tczew> s/did/do a
[17:45] <jbicha> ari-tczew: I don't really use gramps so I don't know what to test, everything I've tested works, presumably upstream & Debian are testing also
[17:46] <ari-tczew> jbicha: heh, so go ahead and subscribe ubuntu-release maybe you will got ACK
[17:46] <jbicha> thanks
[17:49] <ari-tczew> jbicha: you should add information about new features, because this is a new upstream release
[18:14] <ejat> ari-tczew: how to create .dpatch ?
[18:15] <ari-tczew> create a normal .patch then convert do dpatch
[18:17] <sistpoty> or use dpatch-edit-patch <nameofpatch>, that will get you a shell where you can modify what you like. The result will end up in <nameofpatch>
[18:21] <ejat> sistpoty: http://paste.ubuntu.com/402518/
[18:21] <ejat> but no shell
[18:23] <ejat> ari-tczew: using dpatch patch-template to convert ?
[18:26] <ari-tczew> I'm using an author's script based on this: http://matrixhasu.altervista.org/index.php?view=use_dpatch look @ field "2. Convert a patch"
[18:27]  * ejat opening ..
[18:29] <ejat> diff -u source-tree-original/the-file source-tree-new/the-file ?
[18:30] <sistpoty> ejat: you don't get a shell with that? (using dpatch-edit-patch in the top source directory)?
[18:30] <ejat> yeah ..
[18:30] <ejat> just end like that
[18:30] <sistpoty> ejat: haven't stumbled on this yet, sorry
[18:30] <ejat> im using terminator .. is a issue?
[18:31] <ejat> it will switch to new shell or what ?
[18:31] <sistpoty> ejat: shouldn't be an issue
[18:31] <sistpoty> ejat: yes, it will just start a new shell session in the new directory
[18:31] <sistpoty> ejat: don't confuse shell session with shell window though
[18:33] <ejat> sistpoty: owh ok .. got it ..
[18:35] <ejat> what should i edit in the new shell ?
[18:35] <sistpoty> ejat: whatever file you want to modify... the result lands in the patch
[18:35] <sistpoty> ejat: for example you could patch -p0 < somepatch, or use $SENSIBLE_EDITOR somefile and do changes
[18:44] <ejat> ari-tczew: thanks .. its work
[18:44] <ari-tczew> np
[19:15]  * sistpoty tries to remind slangasek as soft as possible about delegates for ubuntu-release
[19:45] <ari-tczew> can someone check whether I did correct link to my bazaar branch with patch? bug 342790
[19:48] <geser> looks good, it's listed at "Related branches" in that bug
[19:53] <ari-tczew> geser: is my branch correct patched and ready to upload?
[20:01] <geser> ari-tczew: looks good, but I don't how strict the template for security changelog entries is to follow (your changelog entry misses a description how the bug got fixed)
[20:01] <geser> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdatePreparation#Update%20the%20packaging for the template and some examples
[20:02] <geser> btw: that page mentions to update the Maintainer for >= feisty
[20:03] <ari-tczew> geser: right! this is an answer for my question! I need to reupload a branch
[20:03] <geser> everything else looks ok (but my last security update is long time ago)
[20:04] <ari-tczew> in response to changelog: I never add in changelog how bug has been fixed
[20:06] <geser> for normal uploads me neither, but security uploads might be special (I just looked at the wiki page)
[20:06] <geser> as said I don't know how strictly the security template is to follow
[20:06] <ari-tczew> security sponsors never poked me about it
[20:07] <jdstrand> ari-tczew: I ack'd your patch-- my comment was for future securit updates. you don't need to do anything else this time around (I've already uploaded it to the security queue)
[20:08] <ari-tczew> jdstrand: ah OK, what about debian/changelog - is it correct?
[20:08] <jdstrand> ari-tczew: it was ok, but we like more info usually.
[20:08] <ari-tczew> ok
[20:09] <thedeeno> Hey everyone, can someone clue me in on how to request a package be updated? guake is at v0.4.1 but I'm only seeing 0.4.0 in apt. Debian repo's are at 0.4.1
[20:10] <thedeeno> Unfortunately , i'm to nuby to figure out how to install this myself atm. (getting there :))
[20:14] <Laney> there's nothing wrong with being more verbose in your changelogs :)
[20:15] <Laney> I absolutely encourage it
[20:17] <sistpoty> jdstrand: btw thanks for taking care of moin! :)
[20:18] <sistpoty> thedeeno: what is guake? a game?
[20:19] <sistpoty> ah, ok it isn't :(
[20:24] <thedeeno> sistpoty: haha, nope. It's a console wrapper.
[20:24] <thedeeno> hmm, so no thoughts on how to tell someone about this thing that needs updating?
[20:25] <sistpoty> thedeeno: just saw it, otherwise I'd have requested an ffe myself... !FFe
[20:25] <sistpoty> !FFe
[20:25] <sistpoty> ^ there you go
[20:45] <RoAkSoAx> sistpoty, bug #407722 is ready if you want to take a look at in again before I upload it. It builds in both pbuilder, ppa, and Im about to see if it installs and runs correctly
[20:45] <RoAkSoAx> though 1.1 is from unstable rather than testing
[20:53] <sistpoty> RoAkSoAx: did you test the new version?
[20:54] <sistpoty> RoAkSoAx: -1 to -1.1 is fine for me, I've looked at that patch already
[20:57] <RoAkSoAx> sistpoty, yeah I just tested, builds, installs, runs
[20:57] <RoAkSoAx> installs the -dev files
[20:57] <sistpoty> RoAkSoAx: great, can you add that to the bug report please? I'm happy to give an ack then
[21:00] <RoAkSoAx> sistpoty, done, just updated the bug description
[21:00] <sistpoty> RoAkSoAx: thanks!
[21:01] <RoAkSoAx> :)
[21:02] <sistpoty> RoAkSoAx: feel free to upload
[21:03] <RoAkSoAx> sistpoty, thank you :)
[21:03] <sistpoty> RoAkSoAx: thank you for working on it in the first place :)
[21:04] <RoAkSoAx> sistpoty, i just love doing it :)
[21:04] <sistpoty> heh
[21:07] <RoAkSoAx> :)
[21:40]  * sistpoty goes to bed... gn8 everyone
[21:43] <paissad> guys, i create a package_name.templates & package.config, po/POTFILES.in .... in the $package.template file, i have the Description field in 2 langage already (english & french )...  what must i do to create the po/templates.pot
[21:43] <paissad> i did debconf-updatepo ..... but i got this
[21:43] <paissad> None of the files in POTFILES.in contain strings marked for translation.
[21:44] <paissad> here is the content of my POTFILES.in --> [type: gettext/rfc822deb] pms-linux.templates
[21:45] <paissad> here is the content of pms-linux.templates --> http://pastebin.com/0xNDy7LK
[21:57] <thedeeno> hey guys I'm trying to figure out how to ask one of the package maintainers to update a package to a new version
[21:58] <thedeeno> but I'm kinda lost on how to do so. sistpoty showed be FFE but I think this is for an actual package maintainer
[21:58] <sebner> thedeeno: most packages in Ubuntu don't have a specific maintainer
[21:59] <thedeeno> ok, that makes sense. Well the package in question is guake. The karmic version is 0.4.0 - v0.4.1 fixes a transparency issue.
[22:00] <thedeeno> it's apart of the 'universe' repo
[22:00] <thedeeno> how do I get that repo updated?
[22:00] <thedeeno> debian has the package @ 0.4.1 - i'm pretty new (just recently switched from windows - *gasp*). So bear with me :)
[22:01] <sebner> thedeeno: urgh, updating a package in a stable release is not that eady
[22:01] <sebner> *easy
[22:01] <sebner> !SRU | thedeeno
[22:24] <thedeeno> sebner: I guess it makes sense that it's not that easy. Is there a Karmic 'testing' repo?
[22:24] <thedeeno> I expect that would be easy to change - if there is such a thing
[22:33] <ScottK> Proposed SRUs get uploaded to karmic-proposed for verification.
[22:34] <ari-tczew> I'm just waiting for my SRUs review...
[22:37] <RoAkSoAx> ScottK, and how long does that take?
[22:37] <ScottK> RoAkSoAx: It's in the StableReleaseUpdates wiki page
[22:40] <RoAkSoAx> ScottK, so once the SRU has been acked, I need to add the tag: verification-needed and then just wait for the upload?
[22:41] <ScottK> RoAkSoAx: No, the archive admin adds that tag when they accept the upload.  Once you use the normal sponsorship process to get it uploaded.  ubuntu-sru ack can come before or after, but the archive admins won't accept it until that happens.
[22:42] <ari-tczew> ScottK: how long is waiting for SRU ACK?
[22:42] <ScottK> Depends on how busy they are.  It varies.
[22:44] <RoAkSoAx> ScottK, For example, I already have had the SRU acks like a month ago... after that, did I need to subscribe to archive-admins or wait for someone in the SRU team to upload it to proposed and then they will subscribe to archive admins?
[22:48] <ScottK> RoAkSoAx: You needed to subscribe the sponsor team.
[22:51] <RoAkSoAx> i see :) that;s why i was wondering what was missing xD
[22:53] <RoAkSoAx> ScottK, so if packages are in universe, I can upload them directly once the sru has been acked?
[22:53] <ScottK> RoAkSoAx: Yes
[22:54] <ari-tczew> ScottK: IMO ~ubuntu-sru is very messed and unmaintained
[22:54] <ari-tczew> 497  bugs related!
[22:55] <ScottK> It seems to ebb and flow a bit.
[22:55] <ari-tczew> 'ebb' ?
[22:55] <jdong> why is the number of bugs a measure of the messyness of the team?
[22:56] <ari-tczew> because ubuntu-sru should has related to bugs which waiting for review, ACK etc
[22:57] <jdong> that's not the case.
[22:57] <jdong> a lot of the "related" bugs are ones that the SRU process has completed but baltix has a random task open or something.
[22:57] <ari-tczew> so sometimes someone from ubuntu-sru should clean up the list
[22:58] <jdong> well, I can either spend my free hour or two per week reviewing and ACKing as many SRU requests as I can from my bugmail directory, or do housekeeping on launchpad. which would you prefer? :)
[23:01] <ari-tczew> I want the SRU requests were dealt with quickly response like from ubuntu-universe-sponsors in development cycle
[23:02] <ari-tczew> "Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support."
[23:02] <ari-tczew> WANNA SEE "professional support"
[23:03] <RoAkSoAx> ari-tczew, I think you are confusing that sentence. Professional Support means "paid support" (those who buy support from Canonical)
[23:04] <jdong> most SRUs that I come across and ACK are no more than a week or two old.
[23:04] <jdong> the exception being the more complex SRU's or ones with not-so-great debdiffs attached
[23:05] <ari-tczew> RoAkSoAx: I'm contributing to Ubuntu, so this is my paid
[23:05] <azeem_> my paid?
[23:06] <RoAkSoAx> ari-tczew, right, but what I'm trying to say is that "professional support" is referring to that Canonical provides paid support services for those who want to acquire them
[23:06] <ari-tczew> don't care about it
[23:07] <jdong> you were the one that brought it up in an incorrect context, and RoAkSoAx was correcting your misconception.
[23:07] <ari-tczew> jdong - you told week, max. 2, ok, I'm couting
[23:07] <jdong> ... ok, thanks for that helpful attitude
[23:07] <jdong> you know, that really makes me so much more excited about using my rare bits of free time to work on Ubuntu.
[23:08] <jdong> I better not eat dinner right now to empty my launchpad folder because you're counting.
[23:09] <ari-tczew> you can eat dinner, I don't prevent you :)
[23:10] <jdong> ari-tczew: but yes, if a SRU for you is taking too long in your opinion to get reviewed, feel free to ping me in here or directly email me about it.
[23:11] <ari-tczew> jdong: sure, 14 days... ;-)
[23:13] <paissad> is there a way to create a template for po/templates.pot ?
[23:13] <paissad> so that i use to begin the translation ...
[23:13] <ari-tczew> jdong: if ~500 bugs is not problem for you to review waiting SRU requests, how do you dig queue?
[23:14] <jdong> not sure I understand
[23:14] <jdong> btw, for your bug 421684, please add a SRU bug description
[23:14] <jdong> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Procedure
[23:20] <ari-tczew> jdong: I'm very nuisance, right?
[23:21] <jdong> no, I didn't say that
[23:21] <ari-tczew> :)
[23:21] <jdong> rest assured that as one of the guys that spends time processing SRU's, I'm not 100% happy with my speed either
[23:23] <psusi> does patch ever explain WHY the damn hunk failed to apply?
[23:24] <azeem_> not sure patch would know why
[23:25] <ari-tczew> propably changes were applied previously or you have not-refreshed patch
[23:25] <psusi> no, I mean WHY is it saying it failed?  it looks like it should apply perfectly fine to me
[23:25] <psusi> context is right, I fixed the line number....
[23:26] <psusi> not what the underlying cause is, why is patch pissed off
[23:26] <azeem_> psusi: sorry, but I believe patch on this more than you
[23:26] <psusi> that's why I'm asking if there's a way to get it to explain itself
[23:26] <psusi> "hunk failed" is not a useful diagnostic
[23:27] <ari-tczew> I point on applied previously
[23:27] <azeem_> maybe some spurious whitespace change
[23:28] <psusi> no, it has not been applied
[23:28] <psusi> the context looks like it matches, the lines it wants to remove are there...
[23:29] <ari-tczew> jdong: have you got a script which says what's the bugs are waiting for SRU review? like dholbach sponsoring
[23:29] <jdong> ari-tczew: no, I keep manual track of that through my inbox
[23:37] <ari-tczew> jdong: you give an ACK, so do I need to subscribe sponsors?
[23:42] <RoAkSoAx> persia, can I be readded to u-u-s please  :)??
[23:46] <RoAkSoAx> bdrung, could you please also unsubscribe keepalived from u-u-s?? thanks :)
[23:47] <bdrung> RoAkSoAx: i can't - i am only member of u-s now
[23:48] <ari-tczew> bdrung: so what's news in your competition now?
[23:49] <RoAkSoAx> bdrung, oh ok.. np then :)
[23:49] <bdrung> ari-tczew: rephrase your question please.
[23:49] <bdrung> RoAkSoAx: find a member of the dying u-u-s group!
[23:50] <RoAkSoAx> bdrung, yeah will do though but it is not such a big of a deal :)
[23:50] <ari-tczew> bdrung: okay, another: what's the different between u-u-s and u-s?
[23:50] <bdrung> RoAkSoAx: bug dholbach
[23:51] <bdrung> ari-tczew: u-u-s and u-m-s were merged into u-s. u-u-s and u-m-s are deprecated now
[23:51] <RoAkSoAx> ari-tczew, u-m-s and u-u-s are gonna die, and we'll keep a single sponsorship group u-s due to archives changes
[23:52] <bdrung> u-u-s and u-m-s are members of u-s. Therefore members of u-u-s and u-m-s can edit u-s subscriptions, but not the other way around
[23:52] <ari-tczew> bdrung: so have you got access to upload for main now?
[23:53] <bdrung> ari-tczew: yes ( http://overbenny.wordpress.com/2010/03/17/ubuntu-core-developer/ ), but that's independent of the u-s merge
[23:55] <ari-tczew> ouh, nice bdrung!
[23:55] <ari-tczew> I hope that merge 2 sponsors time will be good for clear bug-related list
[23:56] <paissad> is there a way to create a template for po/templates.pot ?
[23:58] <bdrung> ari-tczew: it will be hard to get the u-s list clear


[15:20] <ubuntu-studio> hi. what was the ubuntu studio root passwort for the live version? i would like to use the su command
[15:20] <cfhowlett> !root | ubuntu-studio
[15:21] <ubuntu-studio> thanks for answer
[19:55] <nixnine> hey guys, I am having a problem with sound.  I am only showing a dummy output.
[19:55] <holstein> nixnine: in jack?
[19:56] <nixnine> in the sound properties
[19:56] <holstein> !audio
[19:56] <holstein> if audio *used* to work, maybe share what happened when it stopped working
[19:56] <holstein> you also cant rule out, maybe the hardware has failed/broken
[19:57] <nixnine> Well, it works sometimes but then stops.
[19:57] <holstein> so, you can try and rule that out by using an officially supported driver in an officially supported OS.. or, in a live iso that you know used to support the hardware
[19:57] <holstein> nixnine: what makes what stop?
[19:57] <nixnine> Don't know
[19:58] <holstein> anyways, you can use the link above ^ and troubleshoot.. with the terminal.. "aplay -l".. "arecord -l"
[19:58] <nixnine> just happens randomnly
[19:58] <holstein> nixnine: what happens?
[19:58] <holstein> sound crashes? the device breaks? audio stops? what audio? when?
[19:58] <nixnine> sound stops
[19:58] <holstein> flash? in the browser? related to jack?
[19:59] <holstein> im not the kind of person who can either read your mind, or, ask for a log file, and tell you a flashy command
[19:59] <holstein> i will need you to give me some facts
[19:59] <holstein> are you using jack? are you using ubuntustudio? 14.04? 15.04? what audio breaks what? what audio device?
[20:00] <nixnine> It doesn't stop mid stride.  It will be playing.  I will stop, say a youtube vid, go back later to the vid and no sound anymore system wide
[20:00] <holstein> cool
[20:00] <nixnine> aplay-l no soundcards found
[20:00] <holstein> nixnine: so that can mean the hardware is breaking..
[20:01] <OvenWerks> USB?
[20:01] <holstein> nixnine: if the hardware isnt present, you wont have any audio.. you cant "fix" that in ubuntu
[20:01] <nixnine> the same with arecord-l the same
[20:01] <holstein> nixnine: right.. so, you can reboot, then.. i would power off the machine, and check physical connections.. i would look in the bios.. etc
[20:01] <nixnine> ok.  sometimes it works, sometimes no.
[20:01] <holstein> nixnine: when the device is gone, and not showing in aplay -l, you cant "fix" it, in software
[20:02] <holstein> nixnine: sure. thats what i would expect, if it was dying
[20:02] <nixnine> nothing software wise needed to recognize the sound card?
[20:03] <holstein> nixnine: no
[20:03] <nixnine> can it be replaced?
[20:03] <holstein> nixnine: as you state, it works, when its present.. and when its not, its not working
[20:03] <holstein> nixnine: i dont know what hardware you have, but typically, you dont replace those. you just disable, and get another one..
[20:04] <nixnine> ?
[20:04] <holstein> nixnine: *if* the card is bad, to replace it would be soldering a new chip onto the motherboard
[20:04] <nixnine> how do you put in another?
[20:04] <holstein> nixnine: as i stated, USB, pci.. etc
[20:05] <nixnine> really? usb sound card?
[20:05] <holstein> nixnine: you dont want to have a new chip soldered onto the motherboard. *if* thats the problem
[20:05] <holstein> you dont want to replace the motherboard, if thats the problem
[20:06] <holstein> so, yes.. *if* you test, and determine the hardware is failing, and want to address the issue, i suggest, just adding a USB audio device
[20:06] <nixnine> how do i test?
[20:07] <holstein> nixnine: as i said, i would use the officially supported drivers in the officially supported operating system. and/or a known good linux disto. live. one that i know supported the hardware


[19:38] <myrtlebeachbums> Hey folks. I'm a fairly recent Ubuntu member from my work on Ubuntu Weekly News, and one of the things that came up in my membership review was possibly joining Ubuntu Docs.
[19:38] <myrtlebeachbums> From what I just read, it looks like there's no formal application to join - just jump in and start helping. Is that accurate?
[21:15] <mdke> myrtlebeachbums: yes, that's about right. We have quite a lot of info on the wiki page and there are plenty of tasks to help with
[22:14] <mdke> myrtlebeachbums: if you have any questions, go ahead and post to the list, we'll try to help out


[05:25] <lamont-away> specifically, openexr is FTBFS, because configure trips over _GOT_ issues when checking for -lz.
[05:25] <lamont-away> rebuilding zlib does not fix things
[05:38] <fabbione> morning
[05:59] <elmo> infinity/lamont: I'm going to have to export/import the w-b databases
[06:01] <fabbione> elmo: something new coming up?
[06:01] <fabbione> is there anything i need to do on the sparc buildd?
[06:02] <elmo> no, it's just related to the jackass change of hw, and berkley db not liking being promoted ot 64-bit
[06:02] <elmo> (see backscroll in #c)
[06:02] <fabbione> ok :)
[06:02] <fabbione> thanks
[05:14] <lamont-away> elmo: ok
[06:45] <lamont-away>  /usr/include/linux/socket.h:10: error: redefinition of 'struct sockaddr'
[06:45] <lamont-away> feh
[07:07] <lamont-away> jbailey_: if you're bored, could you look at an hppa chroot and see if you can figure out why openexr fails to build?
[07:07] <lamont-away> (symptom is that conftest.c, linking against glibc, gets duplicate _G_O_T_ symbol


[01:57] <bobweaver> Not sure if this qualify's as something for Ubuntu News but I thought that I should tell you all and see if I can get the youtube dude to look at
[01:58] <bobweaver> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-sUVVvRdKE
[01:58] <bobweaver> it is about Ubuntu TV
[01:58] <bobweaver> and how the prototype is moving along
[01:59] <bobweaver> in the up and coming weeks we will merge QT/unity-2d to 3-d/NUX
[01:59] <bobweaver> but as you can see from the video there is alot new features :)
[07:06] <dholbach> good morning


[11:52] <purplei86> Can I add Cinnamon, to Ubuntu 16.10 ?
[16:29] <Slown> Hello everybody
[16:29] <Slown> What's up fox ?


[00:00] <karni> I guess the faster I go to sleep, the faster I'll get up lol! been 9 hours on train today
[00:00] <beuno> karni, ouch
[00:00] <karni> beuno: so, take care and talk to you soon :)
[00:00] <beuno> go away!
[00:00] <karni> ^_^
[00:01] <beuno> have a great night
[00:01] <karni> tnx. night all!
[03:22] <shane4ubuntu> u1 and OO.o don't seem to get along very well.  If I'm editing a document (I habitually save while editing) I end up with multiple conflicting files, and u1 starts to require more cpu, I find it best to shutdown u1 while editing docs.
[03:23] <shane4ubuntu> I assume this shouldn't be considered normal
[10:29] <Lunar_Lamp> I've seen the same issue as shane4ubuntu mentioned, though I didn't notice extra CPU.
[10:29] <Lunar_Lamp> It just got frustrating, as I was editing a script and then saving it and running, but the permissions kept being changed to non-executable when it set up the conflicting files.
[10:30] <rye> facundobatista, ^
[10:32] <rye> Lunar_Lamp, at the moment, executable bit and modification time are discarded, there is a bug report about that, searching...
[10:33] <Lunar_Lamp> rye: ok, no worries
[10:34] <Lunar_Lamp> I know it's a new offering etc, so bugs are expected.
[10:34] <Lunar_Lamp> I was able to work round it with minimal hassle.
[10:34] <Lunar_Lamp> Just seeing the comment in here made me realise that I should probably mention it /o\z
[10:35] <rye> Lunar_Lamp, that is not exactly a bug, the decision for omiting mtime and executable bit was done deliberately but I do not know why that was done exactly, therefore I poke facundobatista who knows about this decision more
[10:40] <Lunar_Lamp> Fair enough, though the behaviour, as far as I was concernedwas buggy ;-)
[12:12] <facundobatista> rye, AFAIK we don't synchronize metadata about the files (times, permissions, etc.) because we specifically leave it out of the first stage of the service, to consider it later, don't know if it will be considered later, or it will depend of people needs (I mean, is people asking for that? do we even have a bug about it?)
[12:12] <facundobatista> rye, note that it's not plain dead to handle that information, as different systems store different metadata (and same metadata differently)
[12:13] <rye> facundobatista, well, last mtime wins, and for execute bit, since we are Ubuntu-related more than Windows, that should be supported, I think
[12:15] <facundobatista> rye, ok, I'm not opposing to it
[12:51] <CardinalFang> karni, hi hi.
[12:51] <karni> hi CardinalFang !
[12:51]  * CardinalFang looks for code that's outstanding./
[12:51] <karni> CardinalFang: I was just about to push the branch and check it out
[12:52] <karni> CardinalFang: I'll to that as soon as I finish one talk
[12:53] <CardinalFang> Yes, found the build setup.  https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~cmiller/ubuntuone-android-files/build-setup
[12:53] <karni> CardinalFang: one question -- if a bug is not related directly to purpose of one branch (say, your's was name refactor and ant setup), then we don't care about the bug in that particular merge proposal, right?
[12:53] <karni> CardinalFang: I wanted to say, pull the branch and check it out. arghh. I forgot about what and when we left , so I'll get to that in 5 min
[12:54] <CardinalFang> karni, I may not understand your question, but:  A branch should try to do one thing well and one thing only.
[12:54] <karni> CardinalFang: perfect answer, thank you.
[12:54] <karni> CardinalFang: so I should examine it only for correctes of ant setup :)
[12:55] <CardinalFang> karni, Btw, I made a Android theme for use in all ubuntu-ish projects.  First application here:  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cmiller/ubuntuone-android-music/make-new-ubuntu-theme/revision/463
[12:56] <CardinalFang> karni, review it for everything it changes.  It's my job to make the diff as clear and good as possible.
[12:57] <karni> CardinalFang: w00t, awesome
[13:00] <CardinalFang> karni, Ah, yeah, my branch changes a lot.  I violated my own principle there, in changing a dozen small things.
[13:00] <CardinalFang> Sorry.  :(
[13:01] <karni> CardinalFang: no problem. I'll focus on ant setup, if that's fine (and I think it was), I'll vote for the merge
[13:16] <karni> CardinalFang: lp:~cmiller/ubuntuone-android-files/build-setup approved, good work Chad
[13:17] <karni> building the project is now easy as cake for anyone
[13:17] <karni> CardinalFang: question is -- how many reviews do Ubuntu project need by default, 3 ?
[13:20] <shane4ubuntu> does anyone else have problems with OO.o and U1?  They don't seem to get along well for me.  When editing a document, U1 creates a lot of duplicate/conflicting problems, is this normal?
[13:21] <karni> hi shane4ubuntu. never worked on OO under U1 folder, so I can't help
[13:21] <shane4ubuntu> it isn't a big deal, more of an annoyance
[13:22] <shane4ubuntu> ok, brb
[13:22] <karni> shane4ubuntu: however, when I created a regular text document with gedit, I got a hidden dot file first, and that was quite messy at first with my AndroidU1 app that tried to already sync that.
[13:22] <karni> somebody else might have something to say.
[13:22] <shane4ubuntu> ok, appreciate it karni I will check back in a bit, I have mentioned it a few times here in the channel, but haven't gotten any responses
[13:23] <shane4ubuntu> different times over the past week
[13:23] <karni> I see :<
[13:24] <karni> shane4ubuntu: maybe try directly with duanedesign or rye -- they're live knowledge bases about U1
[13:26] <shane4ubuntu> karni, yes, I know, but I hate to bother them, they probably duck and hide when they see me log in.
[13:26] <rye> shane4ubuntu, heeeey?
[13:27] <rye> shane4ubuntu, conflicts, just a moment..
[13:27] <rye> bug #631613
[13:27] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 631613 in ubuntuone-client "editing a file with gedit generates self conflicts (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/631613
[13:27] <CardinalFang> rye, I've seen it with "vim", fwiw.
[13:27] <shane4ubuntu> rye, actually it is editing with OpenOffice, but probably same thing
[13:27] <karni> hehehehh :)
[13:28] <rye> CardinalFang, anything that does atomic "write new file, unlink old one, move file"
[13:28] <karni> fix committed, nice
[13:28] <rye> shane4ubuntu, what version are you running ?
[13:28] <shane4ubuntu> rye, of U1 or OO.o?
[13:28] <rye> shane4ubuntu, ubuntuone-client
[13:29] <shane4ubuntu> Version: <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1
[13:29] <karni> CardinalFang: so what's the drill, you need more reviews for merge?
[13:29] <shane4ubuntu> is there a newer?
[13:31] <rye> 1.4.5-0ubuntu1
[13:31] <rye> shane4ubuntu, you may want to enable proposed updates
[13:31] <CardinalFang> rye, vim doesn't make a temp file and rename it, fwiw.  Just open()+write()+close()
[13:32] <shane4ubuntu> ohh, ok, let me do that and update u1
[13:32] <rye> shane4ubuntu, and give that extensive test with OOo
[13:32] <shane4ubuntu> rye, I work almost on a daily basis with OO.o and specifically in the udf
[13:33] <rye> shane4ubuntu, okay, we have a bug report now we need to test that. I use OOo occasionally, my primary editor for everything is vim
[13:33] <CardinalFang> karni, if you think it should be merged, I'll merge it.  I don't think anyone else needs to review it, at present.
[13:34] <CardinalFang> karni, I see your Approval.  I'll merge now.
[13:34] <karni> CardinalFang: please merge :) (or even better, teach me how you'll do that. bzr merge .. ?)
[13:34] <karni> CardinalFang: ok
[13:35] <shane4ubuntu> rye, I signed up for the bug you mentioned, is that fine to report there, or should I make a new one?
[13:35]  * karni feeds the dog
[13:37] <rye> shane4ubuntu, i believe it is, depending on the results
[13:37] <CardinalFang> karni, "bzr branch" creates a new copy of some branch.  "bzr pull" will append to this copy new revisions that are on some remote branch, assuming there is nothing new here.  "bzr merge" will graft revisions on where there is no obvious "tip" of the revision tree, and ask you to commit the change to make a new tip.
[13:37] <CardinalFang> karni, "bzr push" will send the local branch to some remote location.
[13:38] <shane4ubuntu> rye, lol, hind sight is always 20/20. :)
[13:38] <CardinalFang> karni, I'm going to "bzr push" this branch to the location that's the trunk of this project.
[13:38] <karni> CardinalFang: I see
[13:39] <karni> CardinalFang: thanks for the detailed explanations
[13:42] <shane4ubuntu> rye, here is the other problem I have noticed before two, when editing a doc with OOo, I get u1 using high cpu
[13:43] <rye> ok, is there anyone using d-c backend for evolution contacts on maverick? Do you have some contacts you want to delete? What happens if you do delete the contact locally?
[13:44] <shane4ubuntu> d-c?  I'm using evolution and have contacts, and am on maverick
[13:44] <shane4ubuntu> rye ^^
[13:44] <rye> shane4ubuntu, do you have some contact that is ok to be deleted from CouchDB ?
[13:44] <rye> shane4ubuntu, some test one or something like this
[13:45] <shane4ubuntu> yes, I put a few in there, but it isn't my primary place
[13:45] <shane4ubuntu> hmm, I clicked on UbuntuOne addressbook, and it cannot connect??  odd.
[13:45] <rye> shane4ubuntu, or create a new one for tests, that should not matter. Please create one and try to remove it.
[13:46] <shane4ubuntu> rye, gotta run, be back in about 45min,
[13:46] <shane4ubuntu> it wouldn't bring up the addressbook though
[13:46] <rye> shane4ubuntu, okay, thanks! :)
[13:46] <rye> shane4ubuntu, well, that's another issue... ok, will test in vm :)
[14:35] <nessita> rye: ping
[14:35] <nessita> rye: were you able to look the ussoc package info related to bug #673368?
[14:35] <ubot4> nessita: Bug 673368 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/673368 is private
[15:24] <shane4ubuntu> rye, ok, I'm back but only for a few minutes.  It seems as though Maverick is riddled with problems, or at least Evolution is in Maverick, calendar isn't working right, so I'm not surprised about the contacts stuff.
[15:30] <shane4ubuntu> rye, when I click on the addressbook I get this error: This address book cannot be opened.  This either means that an incorrect URI was entered or the server is unreachable.  Detailed error message:  Address Book does not exist
[15:30] <shane4ubuntu> I love the detailed error message. :)  real detailed.
[15:30] <rye> shane4ubuntu, do you have DesktopCouch records in seahorse?
[15:31] <shane4ubuntu> hmm, not sure there, if you can explain how to know or see that.
[15:34] <rye> shane4ubuntu, just open seahorse (System / Preferences / Passwords and Encryption Keys)
[15:35] <shane4ubuntu> oh, seahorse (passwords and encryption) I wouldn't have made that connection, at any rate in there I have two UbuntuOnes
[15:38] <shane4ubuntu> rye, and no DesktopCouch stuff.
[15:38] <CardinalFang> karni, beuno, two minor changes for music streaming app:  https://code.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-android-music/+activereviews
[15:39] <rye> shane4ubuntu, I know how to fix that
[15:39] <rye> shane4ubuntu, https://bugs.launchpad.net/desktopcouch/+bug/668409
[15:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 668409 in desktopcouch "Does not check for local auth entries in keyring if couchdb.html is present and parseable. (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[15:39] <CardinalFang> One removes the configuration option for light/dark theme.  Use "Ubuntu" theme only now.
[15:40] <CardinalFang> One fixes all compiler warnings at build time.
[15:40] <karni> CardinalFang: looks like I'm late? 'Ubuntu One Android Music-Client has no active code reviews.'
[15:40]  * CardinalFang boggles.
[15:40] <karni> oh, I'm not a developer in U1M
[15:40] <karni> CardinalFang: ↑
[15:40] <CardinalFang> That shouldn't matter.
[15:41] <shane4ubuntu> ok, rye how do I stop couch?
[15:41] <CardinalFang> karni, anything here?  https://code.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-android-music/+merges
[15:41] <karni> CardinalFang: the maintainer is Ubuntu One Hackers, and I see 'no active code reviews' under that link you gave..
[15:41] <rye> shane4ubuntu, /usr/lib/desktop-couch/desktopcouch-stop
[15:41]  * karni checks
[15:42] <karni> CardinalFang: yes, but all have status 'merged'
[15:42] <karni> CardinalFang: last one is Ubuntu One Android Music-Client has no active code reviews.
[15:42] <karni> oops
[15:42] <karni> CardinalFang: lp:~cmiller/ubuntuone-android-music/activities-show-container ⇒ lp:ubuntuone-android-music
[15:43] <CardinalFang> karni, reload?
[15:44] <karni> CardinalFang: site ( https://code.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-android-music/+merges ) lists only already 'merged' status proposals.
[15:44] <karni> CardinalFang: so it doesn't matter I'm not in U1Hackers?
[15:44] <karni> beuno: do you see CardinalFangs merge proposal?
[15:45] <karni> CardinalFang: wait, I got 2 mails
[15:45] <karni> CardinalFang: got the mails, but hit: Not allowed here
[15:45] <karni> Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page.
[15:45] <karni> You are logged in as Michał Karnicki.
[15:45] <shane4ubuntu> rye,  and to restart couch?  desktopcouch-service gives me a very odd bunch of errors, I tried starting it as normal user, not as sudo
[15:46] <rye> shane4ubuntu, no, no sudo, odd bunch of errors? COuld you please pastebin them?
[15:48] <shane4ubuntu> rye, ok, when I shut it down, I used root, however when I started it, I thought, try user first here are the errors:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/530065/    Then I hit ctrl-c to close it.
[15:48] <karni> beuno: looks like I can't review code for U1M project under Ubuntu One hackers.
[15:48]  * CardinalFang boggles.
[15:48] <rye> shane4ubuntu, erm, could you please stop it using regular user (desktopcouch is user-specific, so no need for root), then wait for 30 seconds (for zeroconf name to stop colliding) and then run again
[15:49] <rye> shane4ubuntu, i mean then run desktopcouch-service again
[15:49] <shane4ubuntu> rye, ok
[15:49] <CardinalFang> karni, sorry, this is beyone my ken.
[15:49] <karni> CardinalFang: no problem :)
[15:50] <karni> CardinalFang: one day guys might switch that to Ubuntu One Android hackers, or I might join Ubuntu One hackers, when I contribute more.
[15:50] <shane4ubuntu> rye, Ok, I had already stopped it as user before you asked, so I restarted it, and seems same output, replication: We seem to be running already, or can't publish our zeroconf advert.
[15:51] <shane4ubuntu> rye, oh, nevermind, seems to be running, ok, deleting contact on u1 addresses
[15:52] <shane4ubuntu> rye, failed to delete contact - Other error
[15:52] <rye> shane4ubuntu, awesome
[15:52] <shane4ubuntu> right, I have permanently given my contacts away to u1!  :-0    :)
[15:54] <shane4ubuntu> ok, I created a contact and that worked fine
[15:55] <shane4ubuntu> ok, when I tried to delete that newly created contact, was not able to.
[15:55] <shane4ubuntu> rye ^^^^
[15:56] <shane4ubuntu> be back later.
[17:06] <peppe84> hi. is possible delete all contact in one way?
[19:23] <mandel> dotalchemy, ping
[20:31] <shane4ubuntu> ok, how do I get rid of this sticky process???  shane    27018  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        Z    Nov10   0:06 [ubuntuone-indic] <defunct>
[20:32] <shane4ubuntu> kill -9 27018 doesn't cut it.
[20:36] <shane4ubuntu> duanedesign, remember I said you could put ubuntuone-indicator in your .profile in the home directory, don't do it, bad idea. :)
[20:37] <shane4ubuntu> I found the parent id of that defunct process and killed it, apparently it was my .profile, or something, logged me out immediately. :)
[21:21] <duanedesign> shane4ubuntu: oh no :\
[21:49] <duanedesign> rye: did you find the bug about executable and last mtime  data not being synced?
[21:50] <AJenbo> hi, how do i view the content of my desktop-couch?
[21:52] <rye> shane4ubuntu, NONONO, it supposed to be running from gnome-session-daemon controlled environment, and I will add the autostart option for next release!
[21:52] <rye> duanedesign, i am afraid I have not
[21:53] <duanedesign> rye: not a big deal
[21:53] <duanedesign> rye: was just answering some questions on askubuntu and that issue came up
[21:54] <AJenbo> i deleted some bookmarks and i need to see if they are still in the couchdb
[21:56] <duanedesign> hello AJenbo
[21:56] <AJenbo> hi
[21:57] <AJenbo> some one in here showed me how to view the content of the couchdb from my browser, but i forgot how it works and can't find any thing on the net
[21:58] <duanedesign> AJenbo: you can view your local CouchDB by putting this address in  FireFox (replacing USERNAME with your username) file:///home/YOURUSERNAME/.local/share/desktop-couch/couchdb.html
[21:59] <AJenbo> duanedesign, thanks
[22:01] <shane4ubuntu> rye, yes, I figured that out too. :)
[22:14] <duanedesign> rye: think i found it bug 385511
[22:14] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 385511 in ubuntuone-client "Permissions are not tracked (affects: 8) (dups: 2) (heat: 43)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/385511
[22:21] <AJenbo> Hi, when i try to open http://localhost:44749/_utils i get "could not connect"
[22:40] <duanedesign> AJenbo: running file:///home/YOURUSERNAME/.local/share/desktop-couch/couchdb.html is not working?
[22:44] <duanedesign> AJenbo: might try the steps here under 'Killing and Restarting Desktopcouch' http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/desktopcouch/Documentation/Troubleshooting
[22:51] <AJenbo> duanedesign, yeah that ju t forwared me to the none working page
[22:51] <AJenbo> rebooting didn't solve it either
[22:53] <duanedesign> AJenbo: usually happens when desktopcouch is not running. This command should start it:  dbus-send --session --dest=org.desktopcouch.CouchDB --print-reply --type=method_call / org.desktopcouch.CouchDB.getPort
[22:55] <AJenbo> solved
[22:56] <AJenbo> duanedesign, is there a good way of extracting content from couchdb?
[22:56] <AJenbo> i want to extract all the book marks in to a list
[22:59] <rye> AJenbo, use the url - http://localhost:$couchport/boomarks/_all_docs?include_docs=true
[22:59]  * rye is not technically there
[23:01] <AJenbo> rye, thanks, you missed a "k" ;)
[23:01] <AJenbo> rye, i'm fairly good with javascript so should be able to handle the data in this format (json)
[23:02] <rye> AJenbo, yup, that's the power of couchdb, actually, but we tend to hide that behind plugin layers :)
[23:22] <AJenbo> :-)


[04:12] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> morning txtechnow
[05:04] <txtechnow> sup
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> just wakeup with coffee
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> hey baizon
[05:41] <baizon> hi lotuspsychje
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> morning Extremeadin
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> bbl guys happy easter monday
[06:19] <Bashing-om> done guys g nite - gonna leave the box up and see if it freezes up overnight . \o
[06:21] <ducasse> morning all
[06:32] <xangua> Morning here technically
[10:10] <EriC^^> morning
[10:15] <ducasse> hiyup EriC^^
[10:16] <EriC^^> hi ducasse, how's it going?
[10:16] <ducasse> good thanks, and you?
[10:19] <EriC^^> good as well, thanks
[10:20] <ducasse> any plans for the day?
[10:23] <EriC^^> not much, need to get some groceries later
[10:23] <EriC^^> what about you?
[10:33] <ducasse> EriC^^: nothing major, i'm just messing with my arch install. something is also odd with my desktop, lots of usb resets it seems like. might try to dig a bit deeper on that.
[10:45] <baizon> so unity 8 is dead, like i mention it :/
[10:48] <EriC^^> ducasse: aha
[10:49] <EriC^^> baizon: i thought the community was going to further develop it?
[10:51] <brunch875> I'm giving fedora a spin but I'm not convinced by it
[10:51] <brunch875> I'll give suse a go
[10:51] <baizon> it is, but it has to many mir dependecies, so they have also to port mir on top of wayland :D
[10:51] <EriC^^> i only tried it on a vps once, yum seemed super slow though
[10:51] <ducasse> EriC^^: i get lots of 'new high-speed usb device' messages, and on boot all input in the bios gets really slow after three-four seconds. everything seems to work, though.
[10:51] <brunch875> but so far ubuntu seems the most friendly to "working out of the box"
[11:13] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:14] <ducasse> \o BluesKaj - how's life?
[11:15] <BluesKaj> Hey ducasse, good here and you?
[11:16] <ducasse> i'm good, but i'm slightly worried my desktop has a hardware usb problem. it doesn't seem to keep the system from running, though. :)
[11:17] <EriC^^> how old is it ducasse
[11:17] <BluesKaj> what kind of problem?
[11:17] <ducasse> nearly 2 years
[11:18] <ducasse> tons of these in the logs:
[11:18] <ducasse> [76444.217477] usb 3-5.1: new high-speed USB device number 8 using xhci_hcd
[11:18] <EriC^^> my hp is like 3 years old when it suddenly wouldn't work in uefi mode anymore, i switched to legacy for it
[11:18] <EriC^^> hmm
[11:19] <EriC^^> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/132266/usb-device-messages-flooding-dmesg-and-console
[11:20] <EriC^^> it doesn't really solve anything, it does hint to the obvious though, something is disconnecting and reconnecting
[11:22] <ducasse> that's what i was thinking, but there's no device in whatever port this is
[11:22] <ducasse> seems it's the port or hub itself
[11:24] <EriC^^> hmm
[11:24] <EriC^^> the message does say like something is connected though
[11:25] <EriC^^> like it's detecting something, a flash disk for instance or something like that
[11:27] <EriC^^> google sayd xhci_hcd is the module for usb 3.0
[11:27] <EriC^^> *says
[11:32] <ducasse> yes, but there is nothing in any of the usb 3 ports. it looks to me like the port is flapping. looking now for instructions on turning it off...
[11:40] <ducasse> ok, switching the hub off stops the messages. i'll just disable it in the firmware.
[12:26] <ducasse> BluesKaj: problem tracked down and solved \o/
[12:26] <ducasse> TIL a whole lot about usb on linux...
[12:28] <BluesKaj> so what did you do, ducasse ?
[12:30] <ducasse> the output i was looking at actually had the port offset by 1, which was why i couldn't figure it out. as soon as i figured this out it was pretty obvious, it was an android tablet connected to the usb hub in my monitor that was doing the flapping. disconnected it and all is fine.
[12:31] <ducasse> it was on a usb2 hub/port, though, so i'm still wondering where xhci came from...
[12:33] <ducasse> (i should have thrown that tablet away a long time ago anyway, it's crap.)
[12:34] <BluesKaj> odd that lsusb would get the port number wrong, or did you use a different hw discover command?
[12:38] <ducasse> usb-devices, and i found a post that said "You will need to add "1" (arithmetic one) to "Cnt" to get the rank Rank=Cnt+1"
[12:42] <ducasse> this helped me 'map' it to how the ports are listed in my mobo manual, which was what i was having trouble with (aside from the xhci thing being a red herring)
[12:51] <BluesKaj> interesting, I'll keep the 'usb-devices' phrase in mind
[12:52] <ducasse> BluesKaj: do you want the link?
[12:54] <ducasse> sharing it anyway, as this had useful info ;) http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1163824/linux-usb-turning-the-power-on-and-off/7037295#7037295 - there is a lot of other useful stuff on usb on that page, btw.
[13:01] <BluesKaj> thanks ducasse
[13:08] <ducasse> np. i'm _really_ glad this wasn't a hw problem with my desktop. if that tablet ceases to function i won't miss it, but my desktop would have been very different :)
[17:00] <Bashing-om> Back on ... Good morning all .
[17:01] <EriC^> morning Bashing-om
[17:02] <Bashing-om> EriC^: We see what the day brings .. looks to be a busy one :)
[17:07] <EriC^> yup :)
[17:43] <Menzador> Yo!
[17:43] <ducasse> hi Bashing-om - how are things?
[17:53] <Bashing-om> ducasse: L00king well - so far so good :) . You look also to have things in your world under control :)
[17:56] <ducasse> Bashing-om: yep, done a little usb digging :) everything is fine now, though, and i've made a note in the manual :) now i'm toying with arch, just trying it out on my desktop.
[17:58] <Bashing-om> ducasse: My freezes may be related to th nouvuau driver. installed nVidia and thus far no freezes in 24+ hours .
[18:06] <ducasse> Bashing-om: awright! :) let's hope it stays that way. which gpu was this?
[18:10] <Bashing-om> ducasse: GT710 . Went proprietary as I could come up with nothing else to try .. and I do mean try . As I can not see how the nouvea driver could bring the system to a halt . ( froze up and can not even ping the box from the LAN !) .
[18:21] <ducasse> Bashing-om: aiui a kernel driver can freeze the whole kernel, which is why some people advocate microkernel designs. my grasp of this is limited, though.
[18:21] <daftykins> just an example of FOSS not working most likely!
[18:22] <daftykins> (nouveau being wonky)
[18:22] <ducasse> :-P
[18:22] <daftykins> i mean i know they have to reverse engineer it on their own, so it's not their fault exactly
[18:23] <Bashing-om> ducasse: I tend now to look at it that as I have a Nvida mainbord chipset . maybe the nvidia graphics driver interprets the better ?
[18:23] <ducasse> Bashing-om: possible, they're two entirely different beasts.
[18:23] <daftykins> nah nvidia chipsets have historically been pretty terrible
[18:24] <Bashing-om> Well, My fingers are still crossed . see if this system stays up .. else 2 hours and I can have the Asrock system running !
[18:28] <ducasse> Bashing-om: how often did it crash before?
[18:30] <Bashing-om> ducasse: varied .. After some changes might be up a running for a few days before the freezes again set in - why my fingers are still crossed - .
[18:30] <daftykins> Bashing-om: is this your machine that you were having problems with 16.04 installed on the new SSD with? i'd have always been running nvidia over nouveau :)
[18:30] <daftykins> wow that first sentence was bad
[18:31] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Yeah, same same machine . has not been stable since the install of the SSD AND the GT710 card at the same time . Have made a lot of progress however and I am very hopeful now that all is good .
[18:32] <daftykins> \o/
[18:33] <Bashing-om> daftykins: This ole box .. similar to placing new wine in old wineskin ! It has been a challenge finding out what it takes to interface the new hardware .
[18:45] <ducasse> daftykins: for me as a non-native english speaker that sentence was mind-bending ;)
[18:46] <daftykins> hehe sorry, yeah i wanted to point that out so nobody strained over it
[18:46] <daftykins> was almost as bad as literally translated German :>
[18:47] <ducasse> when you mentally translate things as you read the words, things like that can get Really Wrong :)
[18:47] <EriC^> :D
[18:47] <EriC^> hey daftykins o/
[18:48] <daftykins> o hai \o
[18:49] <EriC^> i was playing horizon zero dawn
[18:49] <EriC^> it's a good game!
[18:49] <Bashing-om> Me ??  I have difficultiy enough translating english to English - much less English to German .
[18:49] <EriC^> the story is very on your feet kind of, what to expect hmm
[18:50] <daftykins> ah i had been watching a twitch streamer play that
[18:50] <nacc> EriC^: yeah, i've been enjoying it too!
[18:52] <EriC^> :D
[19:29] <luizcarvalho> hello
[19:31] <daftykins> \o


[01:09] <lifeless> argh
[01:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #91529 in launchpad "mistmatch between sftp server naming constraints and UI constraints" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91529
[02:00] <Kmos> OOPS-436D38
[02:00] <Ubugtu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/436D38
[02:00] <Kmos> OOPS-436A47
[02:00] <Ubugtu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/436A47
[02:01] <Kmos> at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/dapper/+source/gqview/+pots/gqview/pt/+translate?start=130
[02:01] <Kmos> and https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/dapper/+source/kaffeine/+pots/kaffeine/pt/+translate
[05:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #91550 in launchpad "https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/ is the overview page, not the bugs page" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91550
[07:02] <lifeless> review meeting uhm now
[07:02] <lifeless> jamesh: ping
[07:02] <lifeless> spiv: ping
[07:02] <lifeless> BjornT: ping
[07:02] <spiv> I'm here
[07:07] <jamesh> hi
[07:09] <lifeless> BjornT: ?
[07:11] <lifeless> ok, proceeding without
[07:11] <lifeless> next meeting, same time, same place
[07:11] <lifeless>  * queue status
[07:12] <lifeless> jamesh: have you rolled out my patch yet ?
[07:12] <jamesh> no.  I'll get it rolled out today (will ping you when it is ready)
[07:13] <lifeless> please!
[07:13] <lifeless> it makes rolling out -so- much easier.
[07:14] <lifeless> ok, queue wise
[07:14] <lifeless> jamesh: you have one at 18 days
[07:14] <lifeless> spiv, you have three at 9 days
[07:15] <lifeless> whats up?
[07:15] <jamesh> yeah.  Need to get Mark's one done
[07:15] <spiv> Yeah, I realised today that I fell out of the habit of checking my review queue daily :(
[07:15] <spiv> Too many old tabs open in my browser or something kept it from being something I saw regularly.
[07:15] <lifeless> spiv: well, 9 days - thats a lot of failing to look
[07:15] <spiv> I'm just catching up now, none of mine are very large.
[07:15] <spiv> Yes :(
[07:16] <lifeless> jamesh: eta on marks ?
[07:17] <jamesh> lifeless: I'll work on it tomorrow.
[07:17] <jamesh> It's a big one
[07:18] <lifeless> yes
[07:18] <lifeless> which means you dont get others at the moment
[07:18] <lifeless> so maybe breaking it into 800 line chunks, and doing that much a day will help
[07:19] <lifeless> would you like me to check in with you midweek on it, see how its going ?
[07:20] <jamesh> lifeless: yeah.
[07:20] <lifeless> ok, I will do that
[07:20] <lifeless>  * new business
[07:20] <lifeless> none from me
[07:21] <spiv> Nor me.
[07:21] <lifeless> 5
[07:21] <lifeless> 4
[07:21] <lifeless> 3
[07:21] <lifeless> 2
[07:21] <lifeless> 1
[07:21] <spiv> Just a promise to stop being so forgetful!
[07:21] <spiv> :)
[07:22] <lifeless> Thanks for coming!
[07:22] <jamesh> lifeless: I've got a few branches I'd like pulled into /code/rocketfuel and set up for use with PQM.  Is emailing you still the way you want to handle this?
[07:25] <lifeless> jamesh: sure it
[07:25] <lifeless> *sure is*
[07:26] <lifeless> they need a make check target, I need to know their dependencies to get the chroots setup correctly, I need to know who can commit to them.
[07:26] <jamesh> okay.  They'll probably both want to run the full LP test suite
[07:26] <jamesh> like we do for sqlobject
[07:27] <lifeless> thats easier then
[07:28] <lifeless> but basically you get the idea, let me know all about em
[07:28] <lifeless> and if its urgent - this week is crunch for bzr 0.15
[07:30] <lifeless> gnight all
[07:30] <lifeless> (well, not to sleep, but stopping work now)
[07:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #91562 in launchpad "Bug number is sometimes rendered partially over the "This report is a duplicate of "" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91562
[08:44] <carlos> morning
[09:22] <carlos> dneary: ping
[09:27] <mdke> carlos: got a few moments to go through ubuntu-docs?
[09:27] <carlos> mdke: sure
[09:27] <mdke> carlos: ok, what do you need to know?
[09:28] <carlos> mdke: the templates that I should deactivate that were copied from Edgy
[09:28] <carlos> or whether I should rename it instead of deactivate it
[09:28] <mdke> is it possible to deactivate all of them and then activate the new ones?
[09:28] <carlos> don't you want to reuse comments?
[09:29] <carlos> sorry
[09:29] <carlos> s/comments/suggestions/
[09:30] <mdke> carlos: we'll want to reuse comments from the old template "desktopguide" in about another 10 templates
[09:30] <mdke> the strings have been split in that way
[09:31] <carlos> I see, well, anyway, they will get it from the translation database
[09:31] <carlos> mdke: did you reuse any name from Edgy templates?
[09:32] <carlos> I need to know that because we do autoapprovals  based on the filename
[09:32] <carlos> and I don't want to deactivate something new from Feisty
[09:32] <mdke> carlos: yes, if you move "aboutubuntu" to about-ubuntu and "serverguide" still exists
[09:32] <mdke> the others are like this in the source package:
[09:33] <mdke> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[09:33] <mdke> whoops
[09:33] <mdke> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9993/
[09:35] <carlos> mdke: ok
[09:35] <mdke> thanks :)
[09:35] <carlos> mdke: thanks
[09:35] <carlos> ;-)
[09:36] <dneary> hi carlos
[09:36] <carlos> dneary: hi
[09:36] <dneary> I saw that our .pot files got rejected
[09:36] <carlos> dneary: Did you get the error emails?
[09:36] <dneary> and .po files
[09:36] <dneary> Yeah
[09:36] <dneary> They depressed me :(
[09:36] <carlos> dneary: I checked it and I found that there are a lot of duplicated messages
[09:37] <carlos> how did you generate them?
[09:37] <dneary> What it is is image widgets that also have a label element, and the labels were all left blank (so no msgid)
[09:37] <dneary> And msgid "" is reserved
[09:37] <dneary> They're generated with ts2po
[09:38] <carlos> oh, I didn't took a look to the file, just validated it and got a bunch of errors and decided to wait for you
[09:38] <carlos> dneary: yeah msgid "" is to reference the header
[09:38] <carlos> of the .po or .pot file
[09:38] <dneary> I know
[09:38] <carlos> dneary: how do you generate it? maybe I could help you fixing that
[09:38] <dneary> There are two ways to handle it - fix the source strings, or remove all but the first blank msgids
[09:39] <dneary> Like I said - ts2po
[09:39] <dneary> The ts files are generated with lupdate
[09:39] <carlos> Oh, sorry, I misunderstood the problem
[09:39] <carlos> so it's not a problem with the generation itself
[09:39] <dneary> and the ui files are generated with designer-qt4
[09:39] <carlos> but with the way it works in your application...
[09:39] <carlos> hmmm
[09:39] <carlos> let me check something...
[09:39] <dneary> Yeah
[10:02] <mr_russ> mpt: Thanks for your answer the other day.  It is starting to get towards unusable.
[10:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #91579 in launchpad-bazaar "associate branch with source package" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91579
[10:10] <seb128> "500 Internal Server Error"
[10:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #91580 in malone "no confirmation after subscribing someone else" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91580
[10:16] <carlos> dneary: hmm I don't know why, but 'msguniq' is not working at all, that command is supposed to help removing duplicates
[10:17] <carlos> dneary: but it fails with the duplicates found
[10:17] <carlos> so for now, the only way I see to get this fixed is to remove them by hand
[10:17] <carlos> danilos: are you around?
[10:17] <carlos> danilos: maybe you could help here...
[10:22] <dneary> carlos: OK - thanks for the help
[10:22] <dneary> I'll work on this from my end
[10:23] <carlos> dneary: hmm, checking the .po files
[10:23] <carlos> you have there other duplicates
[10:23] <dneary> real duplicates?
[10:23] <carlos> yeah
[10:23] <carlos> at least with de.po
[10:24] <dneary> Well, duplicate msgstrs isn't a problem - so the dups must be everywhere
[10:24] <dneary> I guess ts2po doesn't check for that and group the contexts
[10:24] <carlos> well, it's still an error in the .po file format
[10:24] <carlos> so we are not able to import the .po file with duplicates
[10:25] <dneary> OK
[10:25] <dneary> I guess I have a lot of work to do then :)
[10:25] <carlos> I think that
[10:25] <carlos> if you fix the problem with msgid ""
[10:26] <carlos> you will be able to use msguniq
[10:26] <carlos> to fix the others
[10:26] <carlos> seems like msgid "" duplicates confuse msguniq becasue finds several .po headers
[10:26] <carlos> once that's fixed, msguniq can be used to groups those other duplicates
[10:27] <dneary> Eeek
[10:27] <dneary> grep '^msgid' qtwengophone.pot | sort | uniq -c | sort -rn
[10:27] <dneary>      30 msgid ""
[10:27] <dneary>      14 msgid "Cancel"
[10:27] <dneary>       7 msgid "Password:"
[10:27] <dneary> ...
[10:28] <dneary> There are 3 pages of msgids that have at least one duplicate
[10:29] <carlos> dneary: take a look to poconflicts and porestructure from translate-toolkit, maybe you can do the fixes automatically with those commands, but I'm not sure as I never used them before...
[10:30] <carlos> also, I think you should open a bug on translate-toolkit about this so they add a way to handle duplicates with ts2po
[10:30] <dneary> carlos: Yes - I think so
[10:31] <dneary> But it's hard to see how they could resolve this problem well
[10:31] <carlos> it should be easy for them to fix it as oo2po command supports that option
[10:31] <carlos> well, the usual way is to merge two msgid with the same translation and if there is a conflict, set it as fuzzy
[10:32] <carlos> with both translations there so a translator can fix it and choose the best one
[10:32] <carlos> that's what msguniq does
[10:32] <carlos> dneary: you could try to use --duplicates=merge as an argument to ts2po
[10:32] <carlos> maybe they forgot to add it to the help
[10:32] <dneary> OK
[10:32] <dneary> Thanks
[10:32] <carlos> is how it works in oo2po
[10:36] <dneary> Looking at ts2po.py, it doesn't seem to be taken into account
[10:37] <carlos> :-(
[11:14] <Yannig> Hello everybody :)
[11:14] <Yannig> Anything new about templates import?
[12:19] <cprov> good morning folks !
[12:23] <Hobbsee> hey cprov!
[12:24] <cprov> Hobbsee: hi there.
[12:37] <ddaa> okay folks, I'm starting the backup-and-feisty-while-lunch routine, so I'm off email until it's done
[12:38] <Yannig> Hello everybody :)
[12:38] <Yannig> Aaaa, should I understand Feisty templates import is about to be finished? :)
[12:41] <SteveA> ddaa: ...
[01:05] <flint-dude> good moring for here out for breakfast
[01:05] <stub> lunch might not do it - my eta for the downloads is cycling between 5 hours and a day
[01:08] <ddaa> that will be a very long lunch break then
[01:13] <Yannig> Sorry, I may not be the first one to ask...
[01:14] <Yannig> Any idea when we will be able to begin translating Feisty?
[01:15] <danilos> how do I reassign a ticket to another product/distro?
[01:19] <danilos> Yannig: you can already start on everything except OpenOffice.org, we are preparing an announcement :)
[01:21] <Yannig> Thanks danilos :)
[01:22] <Yannig> So it's normal if all in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+lang/oc is still purple, that's it?
[01:26] <Yannig> I thought resyncing the templates would make all green
[01:26] <danilos> Yannig: no, if you've contributed through Rosetta, it will stay like that; green is for translations coming from packages
[01:27] <Yannig> Bad luck
[01:27] <Yannig> I prefer green :D
[01:28] <danilos> Yannig: hehe
[01:29] <carlos> Yannig: you need to send your files to upstream (GNOME, KDE, etc... so we are able to set them to green)
[01:29] <statik> good morning
[01:30] <Fujitsu> danilos: Ah, I'd wondered what the difference between the colours was.
[01:31] <danilos> Fujitsu: and I think mpt just filed a bug to describe them better :)
[01:31] <Fujitsu> I think that was a couple of days back, but yep.
[01:40] <Yannig> As GNOME admin does not answer when I ask them a SVN account, there will never be green for Occitan :(
[01:41] <oojah> So green is after they have been *reimported* from upstream?
[01:59] <ddaa> Yannig: you could also just submit a patch on the devel mailing list
[02:00] <Yannig> ddaa: Which one?
[02:00] <ddaa> In my, admittedly biased and limited, understanding of the free software world
[02:00] <ddaa> repo commit access is just a shortcut when you're trusted so that maintainers do not have to manually commit all the stuff
[02:01] <ddaa> Yannig: dunno, I'm not a gnome folk, but there's certainly at least one l10n-centered mailing list
[02:01] <Yannig> I already did that... :(
[02:01] <ddaa> and it was ignored?
[02:02] <Yannig> Answered for more information, I sent all two months ago and no news from then
[02:02] <ddaa> then rinse, repeat
[02:02] <ddaa> things fall through the cracks all the time
[02:02] <ddaa> that's part of the system
[02:02] <Yannig> ... :(
[02:03] <ddaa> if something do not interest the main devels directly, and the submitter is not motivated enough to harass them into doing it, things get filtered out
[02:03] <ddaa> it's actually healthy
[02:04] <ddaa> it helps ensure that there's someone caring about the stuff that gets merged
[02:06] <Yannig> Thanks
[02:06] <Yannig> I don't find very healthy to have to ask 10 times an account but well...
[02:06] <ddaa> the trick is keep asking for information periodically, say ever two weeks, until you get an answer
[02:06] <ddaa> they'll quickly feel bad about not taking a decision
[02:06] <ddaa> it's not like you are harassing them with silly questions, or asking them to do your work
[02:07] <ddaa> you're actually submitting work
[02:07] <ddaa> Yannig: I do not find it very healthy that hundreds of people have commit access to a single branch :)
[02:07] <ddaa> but I'm biased
[02:07] <Yannig> Fair enough :)
[02:07] <ddaa> that's why you just ask for somebody to commit your work
[02:07] <ddaa> they'll give you commit access if/when they get tired of it
[02:08] <LarstiQ> oh, is _that_ why I got commit access? ;)
[02:08] <Yannig> That time, it's for a whole language and one single account :)
[02:08] <radix> hooray distributed vcs
[02:08] <ddaa> radix: there's still the problem to get stuff committed on mainline with dvcs
[02:09] <ddaa> that's why we have team-owned branches on launchpad :)
[02:11] <carlos> oojah: yeah, which means when those changes in Rosetta are applied in upstream
[02:11] <ddaa> darn... deadlocked on backup...
[02:12] <carlos> Yannig:  did you tried talking with menthos or danilo about the account?
[02:12] <kiko> morning
[02:12] <carlos> ddaa: in GNOME, being a language coordinator should be enough to get SVN account
[02:12] <carlos> kiko: morning
[02:13] <Yannig> danilo just updated http://l10n.gnome.org/teams/oc
[02:13] <Yannig> I didn't know he could help me with SVN
[02:13] <carlos> he and menthos are the coordinators of GTP
[02:13] <danilo_> Yannig: I can't, but one should list me as the supporting your request when asking for account; do you have a ticket number?
[02:14] <carlos> so they should be able to push your request
[02:14] <danilo_> carlos, Yannig: fwiw, menthos can actually create accounts (he has sysadmin privs)
[02:14] <Yannig> danilo_ : gnome.org #2278
[02:15] <carlos> danilo_: well, I was thinking more on pinging the admins not in actually create it you directly
[02:16] <danilo_> Yannig: see http://www.gnome.org/rt3-stats/accounts.html for the state of the queue
[02:16] <danilo_> carlos: I know, but I am saying that menthos can actually create it himself, which is why it's better pinging him instead :)
[02:17] <Yannig> State of queue is great but it does not tell me the state of my ticket :)
[02:19] <Yannig> I tried to rererererereask to sysadmin, with gnome-l10n in cc
[02:20] <danilos> Yannig: you mean gnome-i18n? :) also, don't use public list as a CC for request, but follow the procedure correctly (i.e. include the details NewAccounts page asks for, like who is supporting your request, and what have you submitted so far to GNOME SVN through 3rd parties: that will quicken up your request)
[02:20] <Yannig> Yep, i18n
[02:21] <Yannig> I did follow the procedure on... January 13th...
[02:22] <Yannig> I'm not hurry but two months seems reasonably long to be exasperated and to begin losing motivation :(
[02:22] <carlos> Yannig: indeed
[02:22] <danilos> Yannig: well, you have not submitted any translations to GNOME SVN as far as I can see
[02:23] <danilos> Yannig: http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/oc
[02:23] <carlos> danilos: how to do that without an account?
[02:23] <danilos> Yannig: in general, you should ask other people on #i18n channel on GimpNet to do commits for you
[02:24] <danilos> carlos: read the welcome email when starting a team, and you'll see that you got recommended to ask others to submit first few translations since we don't give out accounts blindly
[02:24] <danilos> carlos: after one has contributed a reasonable amount of translations and in a consistent manner, you're suggested to ask for account
[02:24] <carlos> Oh, you changed it, ok...
[02:24] <carlos> :-)
[02:24] <carlos> makes sense
[02:25] <danilos> carlos: that was the procedure back in early 2003 when I joined as Serbian translator as well :)
[02:25] <Yannig> If I knew it, I would have do that for ages :(
[02:25] <danilos> Yannig: sorry if it wasn't clear, menthos and I haven't been very good with keeping up with everything on gnome-i18n in the last couple of months
[02:25] <carlos> danilos: it was long time ago when I joined.. and I got mine because I know Miguel de Icaza O:-)
[02:26] <Yannig> What a loss of time...
[02:26] <danilos> Yannig: so, that's what you should do :)
[02:26] <Yannig> It just means Occitan won't be in Feisty :(
[02:26] <danilos> Yannig: right, really sorry about it
[02:26] <danilos> Yannig: why wouldn't it be in Feisty?
[02:27] <carlos> Yannig: we copy Edgy translations into Feisty automatically
[02:27] <danilos> Yannig: you also have enough time to fix this for GNOME 2.18.1 which is due in a month
[02:27] <Yannig> 'cause I have a job and I just cannot work so hard so as to be ready for Feisty release :(
[02:27] <danilos> Yannig: ok, but that has nothing to do with this: whatever you have done so far is going to be in Feisty since Ubuntu picks up translations from Launchpad as well, not just from GNOME
[02:28] <Yannig> Nope
[02:28] <Yannig> I began with Dapper, then went on with Edgy and I have to add a repository to have Occitan
[02:29] <danilos> Yannig: are you talking about language-packs? that sounds like something for pitti to discuss with
[02:29] <Yannig> Yep
[02:30] <Yannig> I've never add the option to choose Occitan from the beginning nor without addind pitti's repository
[02:30] <danilos> Yannig: well, I can see language-pack-oc in Feisty repositories already
[02:30] <danilos> Yannig: so you shouldn't have to do that for Feisty as well
[02:31] <Yannig> Great, thanks
[02:31] <danilos> Yannig: and it's also present in the System -> Administration -> Language Support, so everything should be fine for Feisty
[02:38] <Yannig> Just have to wait for somebody to commit my translations now :)
[02:47] <danilos> Yannig: yeah, but also try to prepare the PO files for them so it's easy for them to do it; after at most 10 files, you'll be entitled to a SVN account, so be sure to re-raise your request then
[02:47] <Yannig> My copy-paste is ready ;)
[02:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #91653 in launchpad "Having trouble locating help" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91653
[03:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #91655 in malone "Alsa Audiocontrols do not function" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91655
[03:08] <crimsun> err, I can't triage 91655?
[03:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #91656 in malone "Printing Options do not function" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91656
[03:12] <matsubara> crimsun: why? I just rejected and re-assigned to ubuntu. care to find the appropriate package?
[03:12] <crimsun> I apparently couldn't reassign
[03:13] <sabdfl>  crimsun, matsubara: interesting, i still see it as only open on malone which is wrong
[03:18] <matsubara> crimsun: any error message?
[03:19] <crimsun> matsubara: I got an "unknown vocabulary" message (sorry, already closed that tab)
[03:19] <matsubara> crimsun: notice that you can't re-assign from a product to a distro. usually what I do is reject the bug in the malone product and open a new task for ubuntu (using the also affects distribution link)
[03:19] <crimsun> matsubara: right
[03:21] <crimsun> matsubara: thanks for freeing that one
[03:44] <Kmos> gnomefreak: any new about thunderbird certificate bug ?
[03:44] <gnomefreak> Kmos: no ive been sick this weekend i will see if i cant find something today about it
[03:45] <Kmos> ok :( i hop you'll be better soon
[03:45] <gnomefreak> me too thank you
[04:12] <pochu> stub: do u know when will be the next time LP is offline?
[04:12] <stub> No plans at this stage, and no reasons on the immediate horizon for downtime.
[04:14] <Kmos> stub: change year at footer
[04:14] <Kmos> Copyright 2004-2007
[04:14] <Kmos> :)
[04:14] <stub> Already fixed on the beta site
[04:14] <Kmos> :D
[04:14] <Kmos> ok
[04:15] <pochu> stub: ok, ty
[04:16] <mthaddon> you there, elmo? Tom Haddon here
[04:18] <radix> I wonder, will it ever be possible to assign a bug to multiple people
[04:18] <radix> ?
[04:19] <slacker_nl> hi
[04:19] <slacker_nl> any admin of launchpad available?
[04:20] <Kmos> radix: make a bug report for launchpad about that
[04:21] <slacker_nl> grr
[04:22] <radix> slacker_nl: launchpad.net/~user should show it
[04:22] <slacker_nl> radix: ok, will have a look
[04:23] <slacker_nl> radix: does not work..
[04:23] <LarstiQ> what is your username in this case?
[04:23] <salgado> slacker_nl, what's the user name?
[04:24] <slacker_nl> salgado: that I don't know - I know the email address is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:24] <slacker_nl> where something is something I don't remember
[04:25] <pochu> slacker_nl: try to search yourself in launchpad.net/people
[04:26] <salgado> if he doesn't know the user part of the email, it won't help
[04:26] <LarstiQ> slacker_nl: is your first name Thom?
[04:27] <pochu> salgado: he can search his real name, can't he?
[04:27] <slacker_nl> LarstiQ: no, Wesley is the name
[04:28] <salgado> slacker_nl, when did you register?
[04:28] <slacker_nl> hehe, found my dad :)
[04:29] <slacker_nl> ow.. a while ago > 6months
[04:30] <slacker_nl> I know the IP I registered from
[04:30] <salgado> slacker_nl, could it be<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[04:31] <pochu> mrevell: ping?
[04:31] <mrevell> pochu: hi
[04:31] <pochu> heya mrevell
[04:31] <salgado> slacker_nl, the only email we have under that domain is ubuntu @ nomad.o.n
[04:31] <pochu> mrevell: can I PM you a moment?
[04:31] <mrevell> pochu: sure!
[04:31] <pochu> ty :)
[04:32] <slacker_nl> salgado: yes, thats the one
[04:32] <slacker_nl> with this username:   ubuntu-nomad
[04:32] <slacker_nl> (i think I found myself)
[04:33] <LarstiQ> slacker_nl: congratulations on getting unlost :)
[04:33] <slacker_nl> thanx
[04:33] <slacker_nl> pfeeh
[04:34] <slacker_nl> pretty funny I actually saw my dad has registered on launchpad as well
[04:34] <pochu> slacker_nl: hehe :)
[04:35] <slacker_nl> don't know why tbh, he never uses open source software
[04:35] <slacker_nl> ahh well
[04:35] <slacker_nl> he will learn it someday ;)
[04:35] <slacker_nl> thnx guys
[04:39] <slacker_nl> the password I could remember
[04:48] <Rinchen> Morning. I must admit, there is nothing like the sound of a smoke alarm at 3am.
[04:49] <slacker_nl> lol
[04:50] <slacker_nl> thnx, found the thing i was looking for: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cacti/+bug/78453
[04:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78453 in cacti "cacti remote injection exploit" [High,Confirmed]
[05:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #91686 in launchpad ""500 Internal error" on codebrowse when viewing a revision" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91686
[05:42] <popey> is launchpad broken at the moment? I am having issues logging in
[05:42] <gnomefreak> popey: doesnt seem to be
[05:42] <popey> ok, thanks
[05:43] <gnomefreak> yw
[05:43] <popey> hmm
[05:44] <popey> every time I attempt to logon to launchpad I get dropped back to launchpad.net with "Not logged in", yet I just logged into the wiki with the same user/pass
[05:45] <popey>  /ignore popey
[06:49] <nixternal> https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/kubuntu-docs/7.04-2
[06:50] <nixternal> on that page there, should I be able to click the tabs (i.e., code, bugs, features...)
[06:51] <pochu> nixternal: already reported
[06:51] <pochu> nixternal: you shouldn't be able to look them, but they should appear different (to not confuse you)
[06:51] <LaserJock> where would those even send you to?
[06:51] <nixternal> pochu: rock on, thanks!
[06:52] <nixternal> LaserJock: where they wanted to send you :)
[06:54] <LaserJock> nixternal: but won't that clog up my intertubes
[06:54] <LaserJock> nixternal: I want to be able to get my internets
[06:54] <LaserJock> ;-)
[06:56] <nixternal> I just accidentally rm -rf'd them, here let me confirm this and press Y
[06:56] <nixternal> oops :)
[06:57] <LaserJock> remind me never to let you touch my computer
[07:18] <OgMaciel> cprov: ping
[07:18] <cprov> OgMaciel: pong
[07:18] <OgMaciel> cprov: pvt?
[07:27] <OgMaciel> danilos: ping
[07:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #91712 in launchpad "Support Query emails have Beta hyperlinks" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91712
[09:52] <thumper> morning people
[09:52] <thumper> sure is quiet in here
[09:53] <LaserJock> maybe nothing is broken today
[09:53] <ajmitch> morning thumper
[10:07] <sabdfl> nothing broken? SHIPIT!
[10:07] <LaserJock> :-)
[10:08] <ajmitch> yay
[10:08] <kiko> I have some code which should break things shortly
[10:08] <LaserJock> that's better
[10:08] <pochu> hehe
[10:08] <pochu> kiko: commit it! :)
[10:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #4593 in malone "Can't delete a bug tracker" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/4593
[10:45] <AlinuxOS> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule  here is feisty schedule... can you tell me gently ...the debian-installer translation deadline?
[10:45] <AlinuxOS> maybe you can help me
[10:46] <pochu> AlinuxOS: NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline
[11:12] <AlinuxOS> pochu, thanks!
[11:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #91768 in malone "It's not possible to remove a bugwatch from a product that started using Launchpad as its bugtracker." [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91768
[11:18] <pochu> AlinuxOS: np ;)
[11:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #88367 in rosetta "Digikam is not translatable in Rosetta" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88367


[15:04] <teward> anon^_^: if you can be *patient* y=ou will get the fix 'soon'
[15:04] <teward> for torbrowser-launcher in Bionic
[15:19] <teward> ginggs: anon^_^: also, FYI: torbrowser-launcher SRY in -proposed is done, so give it some time for the repositories to catch up, then run `sudo apt update && sudo apt install torbrowser-launcher` - that should then fix the issue
[17:11] <ItzSwirlz> ginggs: Thanks for helping
[17:11] <ginggs> ItzSwirlz: yw!


[20:33] <slashd> For SRU, could you please set LP: #1640786 affecting "Yakkety" ? thanks in advance !


[07:34] <tarzeau> anyone needs tutka? i've made packages
[07:34] <tarzeau> shotcut?
[07:35] <tarzeau> frinika/frinika-studio is java... yuck not going to look further at it
[07:35] <tarzeau> but chibitracker is packaged also


[10:20] <jerom1> Hi Colin,
[10:21] <jerom1> I convert my bash post script to an sh script, but i have two problems :
[10:23] <jerom1> cat > /etc/network/if-up.d/forcingspeed.tmp << EOF
[10:23] <jerom1> #!/bin/bash
[10:23] <jerom1> if [ "$IFACE" != "lo" ] ; then
[10:23] <jerom1> /usr/sbin/ethtool -s $IFACE speed 100 duplex full autoneg off
[10:23] <jerom1> fi
[10:23] <jerom1> EOF
[10:23] <jerom1> in bash my $IFACE is preserved but it interpreted in sh
[10:24] <jerom1> sorry my script :
[10:25] <jerom1> cat > /etc/network/if-up.d/forcingspeed.tmp << EOF
[10:25] <jerom1> #!/bin/bash
[10:25] <jerom1> if [ "IFACE" != "lo" ] ; then
[10:25] <jerom1> /usr/sbin/ethtool -s IFACE speed 100 duplex full autoneg off
[10:25] <jerom1> fi
[10:25] <jerom1> EOF
[10:25] <jerom1> cat /etc/network/if-up.d/forcingspeed.tmp | sed -e 's#IFACE#\$IFACE#g' > /etc/network/if-up.d/forcingspeed
[10:45] <jerom1> do you know an sh equivalent to "let" bash command ?
[11:24] <cjwatson> give me an example
[11:25] <cjwatson> IFACE without a preceding $ looks wrong. What's that script supposed to do?
[11:25] <cjwatson> oh, I see
[11:25] <cjwatson> no, don't do that silly sed thing. use <<'EOF' instead
[11:26] <jerom1> i would create a target file contains :
[11:26] <jerom1>  /usr/sbin/ethtool -s $IFACE speed 100 duplex full autoneg off
[11:27] <jerom1> my problem is $IFACE is interpreted
[11:27] <jerom1> and i want preserved $IFACE because the target file is a shelle script
[11:28] <cjwatson> <<'EOF' not << EOF
[11:28] <cjwatson> quoting the here-doc delimiter suppresses parameter expansion inside the here-doc
[11:29] <jerom1> ok cool
[11:29] <jerom1> and i have another problem : do you know an sh equivalent to "let" bash command ?
[11:29] <jerom1> an example :
[11:29] <jerom1> HNTP=$RANDOM
[11:29] <jerom1> let "HNTP %= 23"
[11:31] <cjwatson> yes, normal arithmetic evaluation will do just fine. HNTP="$(($RANDOM % 23))"
[11:31] <cjwatson> $((...)) does arithmetic expansion
[11:33] <jerom1> it doesn't work, when i test in my portable (on ubuntu edgy) is it normal ?
[11:33] <jerom1> jeromeb@bodega:~/dev/scripts$ more sh-test-colin
[11:33] <jerom1> #!/bin/sh
[11:33] <jerom1> HNTP="$(($RANDOM % 23))"
[11:33] <jerom1> echo "$HNTP - $MNTP"
[11:33] <jerom1> jeromeb@bodega:~/dev/scripts$ sh sh-test-colin
[11:33] <jerom1> sh-test-colin: 3: arithmetic expression: syntax error: " % 23"
[11:34] <cjwatson> oh, that's not the fault of the arithmetic syntax; $RANDOM is a bashism
[11:36] <cjwatson> if you really need $RANDOM, you could write out an executable #! /bin/bash script somewhere in /target and call it ...
[11:39] <jerom1> i am in %post with chroot, is it possible ?
[11:40] <cjwatson> sure, if you're chrooted then you don't need to worry about writing it in /target - just put it somewhere and call it
[11:41] <jerom1> oki thanks
[11:45] <jerom1> i found this command : dd if=/dev/urandom count=1 2> /dev/null | cksum | cut -f1 -d" " for generate random
[12:17] <cjwatson> that would work, yes
[02:18] <verwilst> hi!
[02:18] <verwilst> cjwatson: ping
[02:18] <verwilst> i'm trying to setup kickstart for ubuntu
[02:18] <verwilst> we're already using it with fedora
[02:18] <verwilst> would be nice to have ubuntu like that too
[02:19] <verwilst> but it seems like it's not really stable/supported/working yet?
[03:02] <cjwatson> should be, we've had it since 5.04 ;-)
[03:02] <cjwatson> verwilst: anything particular you're having problems with? it's certainly stable and supported, but there are a few things we acknowledge that it doesn't do with respect to Fedora
[03:02] <cjwatson> in some cases there are moderately straightforward workarounds
[03:05] <verwilst> well
[03:05] <verwilst> euh
[03:05] <verwilst> for one, it keeps nagging there is no cd available :)
[03:05] <verwilst> then refuses to mount from nfs
[03:05] <verwilst> while fedora mounts perfectly from the same path
[03:06] <verwilst> networking isn't up when it tries nfs
[03:06] <cjwatson> NFS is one of the things that isn't supported, I'm afraid
[03:06] <cjwatson> well, sort of
[03:06] <cjwatson> you can get the kickstart file over nfs
[03:06] <verwilst> oh
[03:06] <verwilst> cjwatson: is it much work to implement support for that?
[03:06] <cjwatson> but the Ubuntu installer itself doesn't support NFS, so that's of limited use
[03:07] <verwilst> so
[03:07] <cjwatson> it's non-trivial - customer demand would help to get it scheduled
[03:07] <cjwatson> not huge, but not a ten-liner or anything either
[03:07] <verwilst> cjwatson: well, i could always to get my ceo to pay for the implementation ;)
[03:07] <verwilst> + try
[03:07] <cjwatson> basically write an nfs-retriever and then run around everything else
[03:07] <cjwatson> if that's a serious possibility, please do e-mail me
[03:08] <cjwatson> you can install from HTTP or FTP, though
[03:08] <cjwatson> no CD available> can you elaborate on that?
[03:10] <verwilst> cjwatson: back :)
[03:10] <verwilst> well, we'll probably use http
[03:11] <verwilst> it pxe boots
[03:11] <verwilst> loads installer
[03:11] <verwilst> hold on, i'll rerun my pxe boot
[03:11] <cjwatson> if I can get the exact error message, I can probably nail it down fairly easily
[03:12] <verwilst> okido
[03:12] <verwilst> hold on
[03:12] <verwilst> it's booting
[03:12] <verwilst> it's detecting hardware to find cdrom first
[03:12] <verwilst> then it gives a messagebox
[03:12] <verwilst> [!!]  Configuring net
[03:12] <verwilst> as title
[03:12] <verwilst> "Your installation CD-ROM couldn't be mounted, ... Try again to mount the cdrom?"
[03:13] <verwilst> console shows it's trying to access /dev/hdc
[03:13] <cjwatson> ok, and you don't want it to touch the CD?
[03:13] <verwilst> yip
[03:13] <verwilst> haven't found a trigger for it yet though :)
[03:13] <cjwatson> where did you get the initrd you're using?
/install/vmlinuz
[03:14] <cjwatson> right, the initrds are different - you need to use the netboot one
[03:14] <cjwatson> dapper or edgy?
[03:14] <verwilst> edgy
[03:15] <verwilst> and feisty
[03:15] <cjwatson> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[03:15] <cjwatson> fetch the bits from there
[03:15] <verwilst> ah
[03:15] <verwilst> they're not on the cd
[03:15] <cjwatson> netboot.tar.gz is the simplest, but you can take individual pieces if you prefer
[03:15] <verwilst> so that's why i don't have a net connection either?
[03:16] <cjwatson> actually, they are on the CD, in /install/netboot/
[03:16] <cjwatson> right - the cdrom initrd expects to be able to fetch the bits needed to bring up the network from the CD
[03:16] <verwilst> cjwatson: ah cool, i usually just mount the cd and symlink the kernels :)
[03:16] <cjwatson> whereas the netboot initrd has them built-in
[03:16] <verwilst> explains a lot :)
[03:17] <verwilst> install/netboot/ubuntu-installer/i386/{linux,initrd.gz} ?
[03:18] <cjwatson> yes
[03:18] <verwilst> let me try ;)
[03:19] <verwilst> i can just share kickstart file and iso through http
[03:19] <verwilst> so i can do away with nfs alltogether
[03:20] <verwilst> hm
[03:20] <cjwatson> well, not the ISO
[03:20] <cjwatson> erm, maybe
[03:20] <verwilst> network autoconfiguration failed
[03:20] <cjwatson> it needs an actual archive
[03:20] <verwilst> ah
[03:20] <verwilst> heh
[03:21] <cjwatson> mounting the ISO and making that visible over HTTP might work
[03:21] <verwilst> it's more different from fedora than i though :)
[03:21] <cjwatson> it's something I loosely try to support, but haven't tested since breezy; a real mirror is more stable
[03:21] <verwilst> but i can just specify like ftp://be.archive.ubuntu.com/ ... for example
[03:21] <cjwatson> (there are CD space pressures)
[03:22] <cjwatson> right
[03:22] <cjwatson> a big squid cache can often be just as good
[03:22] <cjwatson> network autoconfiguration> that's just DHCP
[03:22] <verwilst> yeah
[03:23] <verwilst> but i need an ip in order to get the kickstart eh ;)
[03:23] <verwilst> oh wait
[03:23] <verwilst> must be my playing with ksdevice
[03:23] <verwilst> btw ksdevice=link isn't supported, correct?
[03:24] <cjwatson> it should DHCP itself in order to get the Kickstart file ...
[03:25] <verwilst> yeah
[03:25] <verwilst> but that fails
[03:25] <cjwatson> ksdevice=link> I don't think that existed when I ported Kickstart. Do you have a reference?
[03:25] <verwilst> i do see eth0: link up in dmesg
[03:25] <verwilst> hm let me find the reference
[03:26] <verwilst> http://linux.dell.com/files/whitepapers/nic-enum-whitepaper-v2.pdf
[03:26] <verwilst> this is where it's explained
[03:26] <verwilst> not really a redhat reference
[03:26] <verwilst> but still :)
[03:27] <verwilst> hm, i removed ksdevice=bootif
[03:27] <verwilst> and now it finds an ip :)
[03:28] <cjwatson> I was about to say, just leaving out ksdevice should be equivalent to ksdevice=link
[03:28] <verwilst> oh
[03:29] <cjwatson> wonder how bootif works ...
[03:30] <cjwatson> ah, I see
[03:30] <cjwatson> ok, supporting that would be possible if netcfg were taught how to be preseeded with a mac address
[03:30] <cjwatson> I noticed a wishlist bug asking for that the other day
[03:32] <cjwatson> I've made ksdevice=link equivalent to just leaving it out in my development branch
[03:33] <cjwatson> can't support bootif just yet, but I can at least make that emit a warning rather than silently misbehaving
[03:35] <cjwatson> (done)
[03:35] <verwilst> cool :)
[03:36] <verwilst> i work for hostbasket.com btw, if you ever heard from it :)
[03:36] <verwilst> we give most dedicated/colocated customers fedora installs
[03:37] <verwilst> but i want to change that to ubuntu
[03:37] <verwilst> so having a working pxe-ubuntu environment is pretty essential ;)
[03:38] <cjwatson> ah right, indeed
[03:38] <cjwatson> I hadn't, but my knowledge of the Belgian hosting industry is ... a bit rusty so that's to be expected :)
[03:38] <verwilst> hehe
[03:39] <verwilst> we're the biggest private webhosting company in belgium
[03:39] <verwilst> ( apart from the isp's eh :) )
[04:32] <verwilst> cjwatson: seems to work like a charm
[04:35] <cjwatson> hooray
[04:39] <verwilst> you've been a great help ;)
[04:42] <verwilst> cjwatson: oh!
[04:42] <verwilst> one thing
[04:42] <verwilst> i read raid isn't supported?
[04:44] <verwilst> raid / --level 1 --device md1 raid.11 raid.12
[04:44] <verwilst> stuff like that