[00:00] <laughingtiger> !ops
[00:00] <loa> hello.
[00:00] <loa> i like game dota 2, and i see that it loads little slow, i want speed up it a bit. how i can watch what is a bottleneck when it is loading?
[00:00] <laughingtiger> !emergency
[00:01] <loa> for example if it io hungry
[00:01] <loa> i am thinking about buying ssd
[00:01] <laughingtiger> !bazhang
[00:03] <Bryson> so in a directory of, say, a million files, rm -f dir/* fails. find with --delete works though. What is find doing differently when looking at the files in the directory?
[00:06] <TJ-> Bryson: the shell tries to expand the "dir/*" into a list containing every file... the command line can't take that! find -delete operates on 1 file at a time
[00:07] <loa> can somebody ban nevermoreraven ?
[00:07] <chacane> Bryson: the 'xargs' command is designed to work on large argument lists too, I believe
[00:07] <phunyguy> loa: please join #ubuntu-ops to discuss
[00:08] <loa> phunyguy, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25725476/screenshot-2014.08.08-04%3A08%3A14.png
[00:08] <Bryson> TJ-: I had somebody one tell me some one-liner answer to this question ni the past, something about find using inodes for looking at files so the number of them is not relevant? does that sound right? I may be remembering incorrectly. I don't remember enough of what he said to do effective googling
[00:08] <phunyguy> loa: why can't you listen?
[00:10] <ObrienDave> loa, put them on your ignore list. done.
[00:10] <loa> done.
[00:10] <loa> but i think he is spamming not only to me.
[00:10] <loa> nevermind.
[00:10] <phunyguy> loa: if it was not in this channel, we can't do much about it
[00:10] <phunyguy> you wll have to take that up in #freenode
[00:11] <phunyguy> but next time, keep in mind, the ops hang out in #ubuntu-ops
[00:11] <TJ-> Bryson: No... its much more simple. "*" is the shell's Exansion operator which matches all entries. It builds a list of names generated by that expansion. With 1 million files in a directory the list will be too large to pass on the comman-line to a process
[00:12] <loa> phunyguy, it was in this channel and i don't know him.
[00:12] <Bryson> very well. thanks TJ-
[00:12] <phunyguy> loa: just keep in mind for the future.  We don't need vulgar private messages repeated in the channel.
[00:12] <TJ-> my typing is getting terrible... I must have lost a finger
[00:12] <loa> phunyguy, sorry.
[00:13] <phunyguy> no worries :)
[00:13] <jak2000> hi all how to install skype: sudo apt-get install skype not work
[00:15] <bazhang> jak2000, enable partner repos
[00:15] <Bashing-om> jak2000: Release 14.04 : Filename: pool/partner/s/skype/skype_<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>_amd64.deb . It is there. What release are you running ? .
[00:18] <mikeg3> Sorry for the delay in getting back to you…changed my password and rebooted…problem still exists.  Under my username it says "Login" if I click it immediately logs me in.
[00:19] <delinquentme> having some serious difficulty getting a printf statement to give me a tab https://gist.github.com/carlcrott/c5e28bebdfd9dc2db255
[00:21] <jak2000> Bashing-om i am runing 14.04 ubuntu version(64bits)
[00:21] <TJ-> delinquentme: lose the echo and ``s, just use " printf "\t- %s-%02d"  ...  "
[00:22] <jak2000> bazhang how to enable partner repos?
[00:23] <delinquentme> TJ-, awesome!!
[00:23] <mikeg3> How can I troubleshoot Ubuntu 14.04 not requiring a password when I log in?  Even though I want to type one.  Autologin is off.  I tried changing my password, did not help
[00:24] <loa> how i can switch quickly locale in terminal?
[00:25] <loa> i remeber that it is something like LC_ALL=C
[00:25] <TeraJL> anyone have silverlight working in any way or form that can test this site out? http://irisonline.pt/ evrything i've tried i get a black screen after the loading, thanks (tried with moonlight and wine), it is not ubuntu, but if it runs on ubuntu i'll really have to switch to it
[00:25] <TeraJL> (this website is trustfull is from a portuguese cable company to watch tv online, you can check before clicking)
[00:29] <Jeffrey_f> loa: you want console or terminal?
[00:30] <Jeffrey_f> loa: CTL-ALT-F1 though F6
[00:31] <loa> Jeffrey_f, console
[00:31] <loa> i done it
[00:31] <loa> by LANG=C
[00:39] <c0mpub0mb> question, how do I go about fixing this issue? https://gist.github.com/robertkraig/867bd912e7d5a7cb8bee
[00:39] <c0mpub0mb> that system runs raring
[00:40] <c0mpub0mb> Codename:raring
[00:41] <zykotick9> !raring | c0mpub0mb
[00:41] <OerHeks> c0mpub0mb, upgrade :-)
[00:42] <c0mpub0mb> OerHeks: I'm affraid, this machine it's kind of important, it's running phabricator instance.
[00:43] <d4rks1d3r> Im bumping my problem, getting really frustrated here: fresh Ubuntu 14.04 install and during the boot process, the screen goes blank (no video input). However, the machine works perfectly through ssh
[00:44] <triplc> Hi all, how to disable "Scanning for Btrfs filesystems..." to get back 15seconds boot time? I am using 14.04. I remember that in 12.04 it does not do that. I does use btrfs filesystem in both 12.04 and 14.04; but 12.04 does not need to scan for btrfs.
[00:45] <d4rks1d3r> any ideas? even crazy ones :)
[00:45] <c0mpub0mb> OerHeks: right now I can't even get sudo apt-get install update-manager-core
[00:45] <c0mpub0mb> because apt-get update doesn't work w/ any of these repos.
[00:45] <Tracebell2000> Hey! I'm rather new to ubuntu and I'm trying to setup rutorrent on Ubuntu server 14.04.1, rutorrent is not asking for a password, I read that the way to fix this is to add AllowOverride AuthConfig to the apache2.conf, but when I do that I get "The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request." Can anyone help me out?
[00:47] <Bashing-om> d4rks1d3r: Indicative of a graphics driver issue // Nvidia , ATI  ? Try booting with the boot parameter " nomodeset ".
[00:48] <d4rks1d3r> Bashing-om: videocard: Intel Corporation System Controller Hub (SCH Poulsbo) Graphics Controller (rev 07), tried nomodeset
[00:49] <d4rks1d3r> Bashing-om: also it's a server so no X installed, just textmode
[00:49] <nishi> how to check my wireless driver is working properly
[00:51] <Bashing-om> d4rks1d3r: That is a tough issue with that card. See: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCardsPoulsbo .
[00:53] <nishi> Our college wifi block the fb and how to  access fb
[00:57] <Bustin> Hey there, newish to linux, fresh install of Xubuntu 14.04 LTS. I can't seem to pair my bluetooth with Blueman. Is there known bugs / issues with Ubuntu and bluetooth devices? The device I'm trying to pair, is a Bluetooth Apple Keyboard.
[00:59] <alexander> hello
[01:00] <alexander> i'm looking for some support on ubuntu
[01:01] <d4rks1d3r> Bashing-om: tried the solution in the link, it changed the resolution during booting but still went blank
[01:03] <Bashing-om> d4rks1d3r: Driver loaded ? -> lsmod | grep gma <- // what results ?
[01:04] <d4rks1d3r> Bashing-om: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7984376/
[01:07] <Bustin> Hey there, newish to linux, fresh install of Xubuntu 14.04 LTS. I can't seem to pair my bluetooth with Blueman. Is there known bugs / issues with Ubuntu and bluetooth devices? The device I'm trying to pair, is a Bluetooth Apple Keyboard.
[01:10] <gr33n7007h> Bustin first of all sudo apt-get install bluez-compat
[01:11] <ObrienDave> Bustin, second, does your system actually have bluetooth? most don't
[01:11] <Bustin> ObrienDave: yes, it does.
[01:11] <Bustin> ObrienDave: my magic mouse (apple bluetooth mouse) pairs up.
[01:11] <Bustin> the keyboard doesn't.
[01:12] <Bustin> gr33n7007h: bluez-compat ? I'll give that a shot
[01:12] <Bustin> Blueman seems to crash, quite often
[01:14] <Bustin> gr33n7007h: after installing that, what is the next step
[01:14] <raypulver> so I swapped out hard drives temporarily to attempt some data recovery
[01:14] <raypulver> and now the sound doesnt work :/
[01:15] <raypulver> is this odd?
[01:16] <gr33n7007h> Bustin, rfcomm connect /dev/rfcomm0 Apple Keyboard Mac address
[01:16] <skypce> hey guys, how can i boot powerbook g4 from usb?
[01:17] <gr33n7007h> Bustin, you can find that with hcitool scan
[01:18] <chriys> hey guys how can look inside of the logs of apache
[01:19] <gr33n7007h> Bustin, you installed bluez?
[01:19] <Bustin> gr33n7007h: yes
[01:19] <gr33n7007h> Bustin, do you know your apple keyboard mac address
[01:20] <Bustin> gr33n7007h: yes, I have it
[01:21] <gr33n7007h> Bustin, right, now type: rfcomm connect /dev/rfcomm0 XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX <=# XX meaning your mac address of keyboard
[01:22] <Bustin> gr33n7007h: what's the <=#, getting a "no such file or directory"
[01:22] <ObrienDave> not that part ;P
[01:22] <ObrienDave> rfcomm connect /dev/rfcomm0 XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX
[01:23] <gr33n7007h> Bustin, type this: "sudo rfcomm connect /dev/rfcomm0 XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX" without the quotes replace XX with keyboard MAC address
[01:24] <Bustin> gr33n7007h: Can't connect RFCOMM socket: Host is down
[01:25] <gr33n7007h> Bustin, Is your bluetooth on the keyboard on?
[01:26] <crocket> Can I trust UbuntuUpdates.org repository?
[01:28] <ObrienDave> crocket, yes, i use them all of the time
[01:29] <ObrienDave> you may not trust me ;P
[01:29] <Vampire-Bill> croket: what would make you think that you could not trust them
[01:29] <Vampire-Bill> crocket: what would make you think that you could not trust them
[01:29] <crocket> Vampire-Bill, I just found it today.
[01:29] <gr33n7007h> Bustin, you still there?
[01:29] <crocket> So, I can't automatically trust it.
[01:29] <crocket> I just need to inspect it before I trust it.
[01:30] <Bustin> gr33n7007h: I am, funny enough, no fn + bluetooth shortcut
[01:30] <Bustin> and no switch
[01:30] <Bustin> I assumed it was always on, considering I paired my bluetooth mouse, without having to touch anything
[01:30] <ObrienDave> Bustin, is there a battery in the keyboard?
[01:30] <gr33n7007h> Is your bluetooth mouseworking now?
[01:31] <gr33n7007h> Bustin, turn the bluetooth on the keyboard on
[01:32] <Bustin> ObrienDave: keyboard is on, gr33n7007h it's on, green light is flashing, meaning it's searching.
[01:32] <gr33n7007h> Bustin, let's try another way then
[01:32] <ObrienDave> crocket, afaik, that is an official Ubuntu website
[01:32] <crocket> ObrienDave, How can I prove it?
[01:33] <gr33n7007h> Bustin, type: sudo hidd --connect XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX
[01:33] <43UAAPE21> What!!!!!!!
[01:33] <Bustin> gr33n7007h: Can't get device information: Host is down
[01:34] <ObrienDave> crocket, i was wrong, http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/about
[01:34] <ObrienDave> i trust it
[01:34] <gr33n7007h> Bustin, type: hciconfig -a hci0
[01:34] <optrusty> Welcome to Ubuntu Customization Kit 2.4.7! (Running on Ubuntu 14.04, 3.13.0-21-generic x86_64)
[01:34] <Bustin> when using blueman, it finds the devices, but clicking pair I get "Authentication Cancelled" instantly
[01:35] <ObrienDave> crocket, many others here trust it
[01:35] <gr33n7007h> Bustin, and does it say its UP RUNNING
[01:35] <optrusty> I am using ubuntu dev
[01:35] <crocket> ObrienDave, well... trust
[01:35] <Bustin> UP RUNNING PSCAN gr33n7007h
[01:36] <gr33n7007h> Bustin, pastebin these commands: "sudo hciconfig -a hci0", "sudo hcitool scan --class"
[01:37] <ObrienDave> crocket, any particular PPA that has you concerned?
[01:37] <crocket> ObrienDave, tor
[01:37] <ObrienDave> safe
[01:37] <crocket> ObrienDave, UbuntuUpdates.org has the latest stable version of tor.
[01:38] <ObrienDave> i use that one
[01:38] <crocket> ObrienDave, I'm using tor from ubuntu official repository right now.
[01:39] <ObrienDave> i use that tor repository. and when appropriate, T.A.I.L.S
[01:39] <crocket> tails
[01:39] <ObrienDave> look it up ;)
[01:40] <ObrienDave> https://tails.boum.org/
[01:40] <Bustin> gr33n7007h: http://pastebin.com/zCrqK16r
[01:40] <gr33n7007h> Bustin, thank you
[01:41] <Bustin> gr33n7007h: Can't create HID control channel: Operation now in progress
[01:41] <crocket> ObrienDave, I've set up an anonymous firefox profile with FreeSpeechMe and tor.
[01:41] <crocket> In the profile, no history is recorded.
[01:41] <ObrienDave> tails is self contained
[01:41] <crocket> ObrienDave, How can you be sure?
[01:41] <crocket> ObrienDave, Is it isolated?
[01:42] <gr33n7007h> Bustin, type: sudo service bluetooth restart
[01:42] <Bustin> gr33n7007h: using the other method, Can't connect RFCOMM socket: Connection refused
[01:42] <ObrienDave> crocket, NOTHING is 100% secure and safe. you can only minimize your exposure
[01:42] <gr33n7007h> Bustin, type: sudo service bluetooth restart
[01:43] <Bustin> gr33n7007h: Can't get device information: Host is down - when trying sudo hidd --connect
[01:43] <ObrienDave> crocket, tails is a live system you install to a USB stick. as isolated as you can get i would think
[01:44] <crocket> ObrienDave, Within an isolated proxy, you can be sure that you're routed via tor.
[01:44] <gr33n7007h> Bustin, type: sudo service bluetooth restart
[01:44] <gr33n7007h> first
[01:44] <Bustin> gr33n7007h: I did
[01:44] <crocket> ObrienDave, Does tails run tor on itself?
[01:44] <gr33n7007h> Bustin, right wait don't type anything till I tell you
[01:44] <ObrienDave> yes
[01:44] <Bustin> gr33n7007h: bluetooth start/running, process 27145
[01:44] <crocket> ObrienDave, I'm not sure how it isolates tor from the clearnet.
[01:44] <ObrienDave> go check it out
[01:45] <gr33n7007h> Bustin, type: hciconfig hci0 piscan
[01:45] <Bustin> gr33n7007h: done
[01:45] <fookitall> Hello
[01:46] <Bustin> gr33n7007h: do'h, daughter, brb.
[01:46] <gr33n7007h> Bustin, ok
[01:52] <andlabs> Hi. I'd like to edit a pre-existing ISO to add a single ifle. This is a bootable ISO. What'st he best way to do so with Linux? Thanks.
[01:53] <stonner> andlabs: mount iso with read/write permissions
[01:53] <stonner> andlabs: put the file
[01:53] <stonner> andlabs:  umount the iso
[01:53] <andlabs> thanks
[01:57] <andlabs> stonner: I get mount: block device /tmp/file.iso is write-protected, mounting read-only
[01:57] <andlabs> the file is rw-rw-rw-
[01:58] <ubuntuuser1357> linux seems to not find my sound card yet it's part of my intel motherboard.  how can I find my sound card?
[02:00] <stonner> andlabs:  create a directory on your home folder, ex: /home/username/mount_dir
[02:01] <gr33n7007h> ubuntuuser1357, sudo aplay -l
[02:02] <jl420> is there anyone on here who can help me with dvd playback issues. I can post the results when i try to run from terminal wiht mplayer. Im kinda new to this but the results def dont look right i just dont know exactly what to do from here
[02:02] <stonner> andlabs: run the command with root privilege: mount -o rw,loop pathtotheiso mount_dir
[02:03] <stonner> andlabs: try this
[02:04] <ashwin18> Hey guys, I need some help. I'm currently in the live bootable environment on ubuntu 14.04 64 bit, I need to MOVE a folder named .foldername located in /home/myname/ to my usb hard drive, but I keep getting permission errors. the current owner is apparantely "user #1000", 'id' in the terminal gives "uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root)"
[02:05] <ashwin18> Some more info: the folder I want to move is located on my older ubuntu installation
[02:05] <ashwin18> And I'm a linux newbie
[02:06] <andlabs> stonner: that's what I did
[02:06] <andlabs> with sudo yes
[02:06] <LostNva> jl320: whats the playback issue? no playback at all?
[02:07] <LostNva> jl420*:
[02:07] <jl420> any help would be appreciated. I installed ubuntu 14.04 about 2 weeks ago. Ive been trying to enable dvd playback. there all store bought movies im trying to use....Ive installed restricted extras package, libdvdread4, libdvdnav4, and the libdvcss and still i have no luck. Ubuntu see the drive i can even eject it using the terminal. automount only works with one dvd
[02:08] <LostNva> might have to set the region
[02:08] <jl420> Its weird this one movie it picks up reads and plays but no others. I set the region to region code 1
[02:08] <ObrienDave> ashwin18, .foldername is owned by root. you have to go through sudo, change permissions, or the root terminal to move that folder
[02:08] <jl420> LostNva
[02:08] <stonner> andlabs: is the iso use the filesystem iso9660?
[02:08] <andlabs> what'st he best way to find out
[02:09] <ashwin18> ObrienDave: althoug I understood what you said I'm new at this and googled solutions haven't really worked, can you walk me through this please?
[02:09] <ObrienDave> stonner, iso9660 defined CD recording, not the ISO file
[02:09] <ashwin18> I can navigate into the /usr/myname folder in terminal
[02:10] <LostNva> jl420: do the movies all play in another player?
[02:10] <stonner> ObrienDave: the type of the iso should be according to isso9660
[02:10] <ObrienDave> ashwin18, yes, because you have read permissions for that folder, not write permissions
[02:11] <LostNva> jl420: all i can tell  you if one plays fine and the others dont, all I can think of is region code.
[02:11] <jl420> anyone have any ideas. It automounts and plays this one stupid movie called "setup" with 50 cent lol but no other movie...Could it be in some weird way cause that movies named "setup"???
[02:11] <ashwin18> ObrienDave: No I meant I can go as far as navigating to teh correct folder in terminal but I'll need someone to walk me through
[02:11] <Beldar> jl420, Have you tried multiple players vlc is a good one to try.
[02:11] <andlabs> ObrienDave: actually iso9660 does define a filesystem structure for data discs, but it is not the only possible filesystem structure
[02:12] <ObrienDave> ashwin18, read for yourself http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_9660
[02:12] <ashwin18> I tried starting nautilus using sudo but that doesnt work either, going to that folder's properties throws up a real quick error message about the current user being user 1000 before nautilus crashes
[02:12] <ashwin18> why am I reading about the ISO container format?
[02:12] <ObrienDave> andlabs, really? naw, seriously? dang ;P
[02:12] <gremlyn> so anyone have an idea as to why the same hardware on 12.04 has drastically slower download speeds through Sabnzbd+ when running 14.04?
[02:12] <jl420> LostNva Its weird i mean like 20 other movies all that work in other players. Its so weird this one movie works. Yes ive tries vlc while am still trying lol....I ran it in mplayer via terminal i can show u the results
[02:13] <hammett> i need help with iso mount n kdesudo
[02:13] <gremlyn> gotta be some sort of resource settings... I tried everything through the sab settings to make it better to no avail, so I figure maybe Ubuntu is tying up resources differently?
[02:13] <ashwin18> ObrienDave:  could you please walk me through this? The folder is like 200 kb and all I need to do is get it on my  portable hard drive then repartition and reformat the internal one
[02:14] <LostNva> jl420: like Beldar said, try other players, and see if you get same results on same computer, vlc, smplayer, mplayer etc.
[02:14] <ObrienDave> ashwin18, my apologies, sent link to the wrong person
[02:15] <jl420> Ive been trying to solve this issue for 5 days now...I just dont get why this one movie
[02:15] <ashwin18> ObrienDave:  no problem at all
[02:15] <jl420> * works.
[02:15] <ashwin18> OMG I think I did it
[02:16] <ashwin18> I started an instance of nautilus using sudo, then navigated to the folder, right click > copy, then used the SAME INSTANCE of nautilus to navigate to my destination and 'paste'
[02:16] <jl420> Im in Canada so region code 1 is what i would want rght
[02:16] <ashwin18> I was directly using 'paste' on the desktop before, that's why it didnt take it
[02:16] <ObrienDave> ashwin18, we love self helpers :D \o/
[02:16] <ashwin18> And just checked the permissions, it says 'me' awesome!
[02:17] <ashwin18> ObrienDave: haha, I learn something new everyday with nux
[02:17] <ObrienDave> ashwin18, so does everyone here :))
[02:17] <LostNva> jl420: im not really sure if you can, but can you try different region code, where did the movies come from.
[02:17] <ashwin18> :P
[02:18] <stonner> andlabs: try this $sudo mount -o loop,unhide,rw -t iso9660 yourimage.iso /mnt/iso/
[02:18] <andlabs> sitll nope
[02:18] <ashwin18> Gotta go, I have a hot date with my PC, reformat and everything ;)
[02:19] <andlabs> stonner: if it helps, this ISO is bootable
[02:19] <andlabs> (need to change boot configuration, but that's on the main data track/ISO section)
[02:20] <jl420> They're all popular movies bought here in Canada and made in America. Its not hte discs its somethin with ubuntu. I just switched to ubuntu 14.04 roughly 2 weeks ago. (I really am enjoying it) other than this problem. But on windows xp I had no problems with watching these movies on this system
[02:21] <LostNva> jl420: yeah thats an odd problem, need to figure out whats different about the one movie that plays.
[02:21] <LostNva> jl420: maybe the one movie isnt in dvd format.
[02:22] <jl420> LostNva Do u think it could possibly be the name of the movie itself "setup"???
[02:22] <LostNva> jl420: no, are you sure its a dvd?
[02:22] <dcwilliams_VA> Has anyone gotten webex working with 14.04?
[02:23] <jl420> Yes theyre all store bought movies. I dunno its so weird
[02:23] <jl420> the stuff that shows up in mplayer when i run a dvd through terminal is weird
[02:24] <LostNva> jl420: put the setup move and one other movie in and right click, choose properties, see whats different if possible.
[02:25] <jl420> I cant because only the setup movie will show up at the side. No other movie mounts.
[02:25] <Beldar> dcwilliams_VA, Java issue?
[02:25] <jl420> I guess i shoulda been more clear about my problem....Only that one movie even mounts
[02:26] <LostNva> jl420: yeah makes sense, I've had dvd issues, it was all or nothing though. Thats odd.
[02:26] <dcwilliams_VA> looks like it.
[02:26] <Beldar> dcwilliams_VA, http://askubuntu.com/questions/459838/webex-is-not-working-in-ubuntu-14-04-please-help
[02:26] <dcwilliams_VA> Thanks!
[02:26] <ubuntuuser1357> gr33n7007h: 'sudo aplay -l'  gives "aplay: device_list:252: no soundcards found..."
[02:27] <LostNva> jl420: all I could suggest is try reinstall the goodies, sudo apt-get install libdvdcss libdvdread4 libdvdnav4
[02:27] <Beldar> dcwilliams_VA, took less than a minute to find may work several options.
[02:27] <jl420> LostNva do u think I should un-install all that stuff first???
[02:28] <LostNva> jl420, yeah wouldn't hurt.
[02:28] <gr33n7007h> ubuntuuser1357, pastebin this "find /lib/modules/`uname -r` | grep snd"
[02:29] <hammett> hi everybody, i need some help with KDESUDO.... I don't know how to use that shell ext. But i really have a problem with the script mount -o loop -t iso9660 file.iso /media/iso
[02:29] <jl420> Ok I have tried this before but Im gonna give it all another go. If that doesnt work do u know where i might be able to find some more help on the issue. LostNva
[02:30] <LostNva> good luck
[02:30] <LostNva> jl420: here just not me lol.
[02:31] <jl420> LostNva how do I get people to help lol?
[02:31] <LostNva> Beldar is the man, hint hint
[02:32] <andlabs> so is there a way I can forcibly mount this a swritable
[02:32] <Beldar> one question does not make any knowledge
[02:33] <jl420> LostNva thank u I dont know how to personally ask him a question but ill try and figure it out... Thank u so much for your help and pointing me in the right direction
[02:33] <LostNva> np
[02:33] <stonner> andlabs: in osx exist a software called unarchiver
[02:33] <stonner> andlabs: but in linux i think isomkfs cal help you
[02:34] <jl420> Beldar I can only get one store bought dvd to mount even though all the dvds are the same other than name
[02:34] <Beldar> jl420, This an external reader?
[02:34] <jl420> No its an internal
[02:35] <jl420> Beldar its internal
[02:35] <Beldar> jl420, Can you confirm it works on more than one dvd at all?
[02:36] <jl420> Beldar I put this movie in it mounts and plays any other movie i put in doesnt even mount.
[02:36] <jl420> Beldar the movies all work on other players and worked on this one until i installed ubuntu
[02:37] <stonner> andlabs: you can mount as red permissions, then copy all the content to a directory, make the changes and create a new iso
[02:37] <jl420> Beldar Its a dell latitude d610 lap top that had windows xp if that helps
[02:38] <Beldar> jl420, I would rule out the player itself, not really an area I know well, myself I'm careful to confirm from the bottom up. There are newer dvd encryption setups that can cause this.
[02:38] <stonner> andlabs: dont forget to use the option: unhide
[02:39] <inthedryer> Who here despises UEFI?
[02:39] <zykotick9> jl420: typically you don't mount dvds, you just play them...
[02:39] <wolfspy> lol
[02:39] <wolfspy> lololool
[02:39] <Beldar> inthedryer, Not really a support issue, state the issue you need help with to the channel.
[02:39] <jl420> Beldar so u think this is an encryption issue even tho i installed everything necceasary
[02:40] <Beldar> jl420, I'm guessing to be honest, not my at my pay scale. ;)
[02:40] <jl420> zykotick9 I just mean it doesnt even auto show when i put a dvd in it doesnt ask me what to do except this one movie lol
[02:41] <jl420> Beldar I see that makes sense. I thought there was no pay scale with open source free os
[02:41] <jl420> lol
[02:41] <zykotick9> jl420: if you happen to have mplayer installed, try "mplayer dvd://1" other then that, i got nothin' good luck.
[02:42] <jl420> Beldar do u know anyone else who might be able to help
[02:42] <andlabs> stonner: that works, but this is a bootable ISO
[02:42] <Beldar> jl420, It's code for "I have no idea". ;)
[02:42] <andlabs> so an in place editw ould be better
[02:42] <jl420> zykotick ran it with mplayer like that. If i show u the results can u interpret them??
[02:43] <zykotick9> !tab | jl420
[02:43] <stonner> andlabs: it works. i have created a osx bootable iso doing this, no problem
[02:43] <zykotick9> jl420: can you paste it to paste.ubuntu.com?
[02:43] <Beldar> jl420, checking the web though with any movie and 14.04 and linux would be another way I would look, if it is an issues other have had it should be there, askubuntu is a good site to check with the right search terms
[02:43] <jl420> Beldar I know i was jk.... Ive been trying to figure this out for awhile ive learned alot about ubuntu and terminal commands thanx to this problem i just wish i could figure it out
[02:44] <inthedryer> I'm trying to install Kubuntu 14 on a GX70 laptop (technically a spinoff, but same motherboard). It uses an AMD A10 2.5Ghz, and a radeon 8970M. After much fuss I finally can get it to read the live USB without cutting off Windows, but upon proceeding past GRUB, the GUI dies and the screen goes blank.
[02:44] <jl420> zykotick9 i will give it a shot
[02:44] <Beldar> !nomodeset | inthedryer one option to try
[02:45] <LostNva> jl420: also read this http://www.deskshare.com/Resources/articles/video-dvd-formats.aspx
[02:48] <jl420> ok i just pasted it there zykotick9
[02:48] <zykotick9> jl420: what's the link?
[02:49] <inthedryer> Thanks for the tip, I shall report back results as soon as I finish configuring the clean Win 8 install, and try the live USB again.
[02:49] <ObrienDave> link? what link?
[02:49] <amroory> Iam trying to install PXEboot to use it to deploy UBUNTU images through the netwrok using this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PXEInstallMultiDistro,,, but it's not working with recent version of software ... So any one can help me ... Thank you in advance
[02:49] <jl420> zykotick9 http://paste.ubuntu.com/7984984/
[02:50] <ubuntuuser1357> gr33n7007h:  http://pastebin.com/rrMBCj3k  bunches of sound modules....
[02:50] <zykotick9> jl420: you don't have a /dev/dvd are you SURE it's a dvd drive?
[02:51] <zykotick9> jl420: "ls /dev/dv*" does it return anything?  maybe a dvd2 or something?
[02:52] <jl420> that was with no dvd inserted... this is with the dvd inserted zykotick9 http://paste.ubuntu.com/7985021/
[02:53] <gr33n7007h> ubuntuuser1357, pastebin "lspci -v | grep -A7 -i "audio""
[02:53] <inthedryer> How's the stability of VLC 64-bit?
[02:53] <zykotick9> jl420: it's not missing a disc, it's missing the drive!
[02:54] <zykotick9> jl420: A) do you have a /dev/sr0?  B) does the drive have a DVD logo on it?
[02:54] <ObrienDave> zykotick9, mine gives me the same error with no disk in
[02:55] <jl420> O really ok. I can see the drive in the disk manager
[02:55] <ala-lala> !test
[02:56] <jl420> sorry "disks' in ubuntu shows the drive as being ther. Its like its not pointed to it it sr0 i know tha
[02:56] <jl420> zykotick9
[02:56] <zykotick9> ObrienDave: if you have a dvd drive, there should be a /dev/dvd with or without a disc.
[02:57] <zykotick9> jl420: sorry, i guess i can't help you... best of luck.
[02:57] <ala-lala> !ubottu
[02:57] <ubuntuuser1357> gr33n7007h: no output
[02:58] <jl420> zykotick so do u know why the drive shows up in the disks application but not in the terminal?
[02:58] <ObrienDave> zykotick9, xubuntu, no disk, no /dev/dvd on my system
[02:59] <zykotick9> ObrienDave: it's not on jl420 (at least according to mplayer)
[03:00] <jl420> zykotick9 could it be that its not being pointed to the right spot
[03:00] <blueprintzzz> anyone know any good proxies for xchat on ubuntu?
[03:00] <gr33n7007h> ubuntuuser1357, sounds like a broken soundcard? was it working before?
[03:01] <aliteralmind> Question: I'm following these instructions (http://goo.gl/0kEifc), which are telling me to create a new user whose only purpose is to "own" a Django web app, for the purpose of limiting the damage of a hack attempt.
[03:01] <inthedryer> Any reccomended partioning schemes, I've allocated 40MB of SSD to linux, and am looking at leaving the option for multiple distros
[03:01] <zykotick9> ObrienDave: i don't have anything in my dvd drives, but i still have the devices /dev/dvd /dev/dvd2 and /dev/dvdrw2?
[03:01] <zykotick9> inthedryer: MB or GB?
[03:01] <aliteralmind> It's telling me to change ownership of the django project directory (mydjangoapp) to the app-exclusive user (mydjangoappuser).
[03:01] <inthedryer> GB,
[03:01] <ObrienDave> zykotick9, i have DVD-RW in drive. /media/david/Xubuntu 14.04.1 LTS amd64/  still no /dev/dvd
[03:01] <aliteralmind> I understand the benefit of that, but it brings up a problem:
[03:02] <zykotick9> inthedryer: ok, 'cause 40MB is to small ;)
[03:02] <inthedryer> In the past I've allocated roughly ~150MB to a boot partion, and made a separate partition for home
[03:02] <gr33n7007h> ubuntuuser1357, just type: lspci
[03:02] <andlabs> stonner: aha!
[03:02] <gr33n7007h> see if there's any output then pastebin
[03:02] <andlabs> it's actually a UDF
[03:03] <jl420> that was with no dvd inserted... this is with the dvd inserted http://paste.ubuntu.com/7985021/
[03:03] <zykotick9> ObrienDave: interesting...  well jl420, according to ObrienDave maybe you aren't suppose to see a /dev/dvd?
[03:03] <amroory> Iam trying to install PXEboot to use it to deploy UBUNTU images through the netwrok using this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PXEInstallMultiDistro,,, but it's not working with recent version of software ... So any one can help me ... Thank you in advance
[03:03] <KevinBryan> Hello
[03:03] <inthedryer> actually I can check the scheme I'm using on this dual boot system (only one hard drive)
[03:03] <jl420> ObrienDave can u look at what i pasted
[03:04] <KevinBryan> Brazil?
[03:04] <jl420> that was with no dvd inserted... this is with the dvd inserted http://paste.ubuntu.com/7985021/
[03:04] <zykotick9> jl420: if that's the case, mplayer would require additional options.  sorry, perhaps i've lead you astray :(
[03:04] <ObrienDave> jl420, it still says Couldn't open DVD device: /dev/dvd (No such file or directory)
[03:04] <jl420> ObrienDave sooooo im new to this what do u think it means
[03:04] <ObrienDave> jl420, i have been looking ;)
[03:05] <ala-lala> !bye
[03:05] <jl420> ObrienDave sorry thank u
[03:06] <ObrienDave> jl420, well, i'm no expert but maybe you need to look in /media for the disk
[03:06] <crocket> How do I add a new desktop action to firefox icon?
[03:06] <inthedryer> heres what sfdisk says
[03:06] <inthedryer> /dev/sda1   *     1    100    100     102400    7  HPFS/NTFS
[03:06] <inthedryer> /dev/sda2       101  95468- 95368-  97656250    7  HPFS/NTFS
[03:06] <inthedryer> /dev/sda3     95468+ 305244  209777- 214810625    5  Extended
[03:06] <inthedryer> /dev/sda4         0      -      0          0    0  Empty
[03:06] <inthedryer> /dev/sda5     95469  95713-   245-    250000   83  Linux
[03:06] <unopaste> inthedryer you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[03:06] <ObrienDave> lol inthedryer
[03:07] <jl420> ObrienDave how would i go about doing that. Could u provide me some some fairly detailed instructions or point me in the way to them by chane
[03:08] <ubuntuuser1357> gr33n7007h: http://pastebin.com/SF4gpLc0
[03:09] <KevinBryan> ?
[03:09] <ObrienDave> jl420, insert dvd, open a file manager, find /media/<your user name>/
[03:09] <amroory> Iam trying to install PXEboot to use it to deploy UBUNTU images through the netwrok using this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PXEInstallMultiDistro,,, but it's not working with recent version of software ... So any one can help me ... Thank you in advance
[03:10] <ObrienDave> jl420, that's where my DVDs show up
[03:10] <inthedryer> oops, didn't realize it would look like that
[03:10] <ObrienDave> !pastebin | inthedryer
[03:10] <crocket> I got it
[03:11] <inthedryer> I got it, I think it auto gave me that message
[03:11] <gr33n7007h> ubuntuuser1357, It's not picking up the integrated sound card HW, you could possibly check in you bios to see if there is an option to enable it other then that I don't know
[03:11] <Bustin> gr33n7007h: my apologies, daughter was needy! You still around?
[03:11] <gg> http://imgur.com/dp3AvWc this stick should boot now? btw im using xubuntu 12.04
[03:11] <inthedryer> or did you, here, if you're bored, is my last partitioning scheme
[03:11] <inthedryer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7985119/
[03:11] <gr33n7007h> Bustin, yep
[03:11] <Bustin> Remember where we left off?
[03:11] <jl420> ObrienDave thanx im gonna keep workin on this If u think of anything else that might help me please let me know. Also is there a way to provate message on this caht
[03:12] <inthedryer> Think is was a hybrid of a number of FAQ's and whatnot
[03:12] <SchrodingersScat> !pm | jl420
[03:12] <gg> !lol
[03:12] <ObrienDave> jl420, better for you and others to keep the help here
[03:12] <gg> !linux
[03:13] <gr33n7007h> Bustin, make sure the keyboard in search mode then type: sudo hidd --connect 00:22:41:D9:CE:63
[03:13] <ObrienDave> jl420, what do you use for a media player?
[03:13] <jl420> schrodingersScat do u know anthing that could help me with my dvd issues
[03:13] <jl420> ive tried mplayer and vlc
[03:13] <jl420> obriendave
[03:14] <ubuntuuser1357> gr33n7007h:  thanks for helping confirm that.  unfortunately my 100BaseT lan port is busy moving a couple hundred GB of files so it will be another 4hrs or so before I can reboot.
[03:14] <inthedryer> speaking of kernel, is it that useful to give it its own partition
[03:14] <Bustin> gr33n7007h: still giving me the "host down"
[03:14] <Bustin> message
[03:14] <gr33n7007h> ubuntuuser1357, np
[03:15] <ObrienDave> inthedryer, i run 2 linux partitions / and /home
[03:15] <inthedryer> Also, I checked my hdd, and I already freed up 80GB, would I be better off putting /home here?
[03:15] <jl420> Im Lost!!! I cant figure this cd/dvd drive problem
[03:16] <sgo11> hi, I am trying to disable journaling in ext4. when I do that, it shows it can only be cleared when filesystem is unmounted or mounted read-only. I tried to umount it. but there is a problem. if the fileystem is umounted, how can I find it? /dev/sdb1 does not exist when it's unmounted. thanks.
[03:16] <ubuntuuser1357> gr33n700h:  any idea how to get it to use my bluetooth adapter and headset as a sound card?
[03:16] <gr33n7007h> Bustin, the only reason it will say that is that there no route to your keyboard 1) it's powered off 2) it's not in discoverable mode
[03:17] <ubuntuuser1357> gr33n700h:  that it *is* seeing.... just not as a sound card!
[03:17] <inthedryer> I probably give this problem way too much thought. I only split the last one into 6 linux partitons
[03:18] <daftykins> jl420: 1) install VLC 2) play disc 3) be happy
[03:18] <jl420> daftykins I sure wish it worked like that for me
[03:19] <gr33n7007h> ubuntuuser1357, I wouldn't know how sorry :(
[03:19] <daftykins> jl420: at what point does it go wrong?
[03:19] <ObrienDave> inthedryer, lol just a bit. at one time you needed 6 or so. and i think there is a distro that still uses separate / /root /home etc.
[03:19] <jl420> from the time i put the disc in.
[03:19] <jl420> daftykins
[03:20] <jl420> daftykins I try to play any movie and vlc says it cannot open the mrl
[03:20] <jl420> thats how this started now ive tryed EVERYTHING I can find on the issue daftykins
[03:20] <andlabs> Hi. How can I add a file to a UDF disk image? Thanks.
[03:20] <ubuntuuser1357> gr33n7007h:  hey np, just figured I'd ask.... if anyone else knows bluetooth well.... care to giv it a shot?
[03:21] <daftykins> jl420: and what did 'EVERYTHING' involve?
[03:21] <Bustin> gr33n7007h: I'm certain it's in "pairing" / "searching" mode
[03:21] <daftykins> jl420: ok, can you "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install pastebinit" then "dmesg | pastebinit" please
[03:22] <ObrienDave> daftykins, me and zykotick9 have been trying to help. only 1 DVD mounts and/or plays
[03:22] <Bustin> gr33n7007h: http://pastebin.com/VEHYkEt9
[03:22] <daftykins> ObrienDave: '1 DVD' ?
[03:22] <ObrienDave> that's what he said
[03:22] <jl420> daftykins here we go... I installed ubuntu restricted extras, libdvdread4, libdvdnav4, libdvdcss since then ive spent hours trying to solve the problem using vlc and mplayer through terminal.
[03:22] <daftykins> ObrienDave: as in one disc of several films? jl420 can you confirm?
[03:22] <jl420> yes i will do that now daftykins
[03:23] <daftykins> jl420: 'libdvdcss2' yes?
[03:23] <inthedryer> lol, I think the idea was to use one kernel in a small boot sector to speed up startup for multiboot (its still just dual boot). I best get to work and see if I can deal with UEFI and GPT partioning on my other system.
[03:23] <jl420> ive tried lots of different store bought dvd movies and only one works and the only thing different about this one dvd movie is its name is setup
[03:23] <jl420> doing what u asked now daftykins
[03:24] <inthedryer> did you get the proprietary drivers?
[03:24] <JordanJ2> Hi all, I'm getting a few errors with my IPv6 only VPS and doing apt-get update, I get these errors http://paste.ubuntu.com/7985230/ and this is what is in my /etc/apt/sources.list http://paste.ubuntu.com/7985228/
[03:24] <jl420> yes 2 sorry daftykins
[03:24] <inthedryer> DVD is not open source, so you need to get drivers after install, also most have copy protection schemes
[03:24] <gr33n7007h> Bustin, try: hidd --search
[03:24] <inthedryer> so I assume that one that worked wasn't copy protected
[03:24] <gr33n7007h> Bustin, try: sudo hidd --search
[03:24] <daftykins> inthedryer: drivers is not an appropriate term for DVD film.
[03:24] <KevinBryan> hello
[03:25] <daftykins> inthedryer: please don't comment when you don't understand the topic well
[03:25] <ubuntuuser1357> can output be piped to pastebinit, i.e. lspci|pastebinit
[03:26] <daftykins> yes.
[03:26] <inthedryer> I couldn't think of the right term. codec right?
[03:26] <Bustin> gr33n7007h: http://pastebin.com/GhUvKU1c
[03:27] <ubuntuuser1357> daftykins: sweet (if that yes was intended as an answer...)
[03:27] <ObrienDave> inthedryer, the real issue is the system is not recognizing the DVD at all. no mount, no read, no play
[03:27] <daftykins> ubuntuuser1357: yep, you could've also tried it to find out ;)
[03:27] <jl420> daftykins http://paste.ubuntu.com/7985245/
[03:28] <inthedryer> ooh, but its recognizing the drive?
[03:28] <ubuntuuser1357> the man might give an example of that.  such syntax could be a really handy way tp pastebin stuff
[03:28] <daftykins> inthedryer: i know you mean well but you're not helping
[03:28] <daftykins> jl420: ok at least i see the drive fine on line 760 there
[03:29] <gr33n7007h> Bustin, make sure green led is blinking on keyboard and try: hidd --killall && rfcomm connect /dev/rfcomm0 00:22:41:D9:CE:63
[03:29] <jl420> daftykins so thats good right lol
[03:30] <daftykins> jl420: yep, now can you explain what ObrienDave told me about one DVD working and others not? also, what kind of discs are these? all legitimate purchased films (i don't care whether you're naughty or not, it'll just make life a lot easier to know either way)
[03:30] <JordanJ2> Hi all, I'm getting a few errors with my IPv6 only VPS and doing apt-get update, I get these errors http://paste.ubuntu.com/7985230/ and this is what is in my /etc/apt/sources.list http://paste.ubuntu.com/7985228/
[03:31] <pacoS> My dvd detects the DVD but does not play it I get error while reading file with chapters ... any one has seen this error??
[03:31] <andlabs> ok different question
[03:31] <andlabs> how do I add an ISO to a loop device
[03:31] <daftykins> JordanJ2: your first paste suggests a DNS issue, not a repo issue
[03:32] <daftykins> andlabs: sudo mkdir /mnt/image && sudo mount -t iso9660 -o loop /path/to/file.iso /mnt/image
[03:32] <jl420> daftykins They are all legetimate big name hollywood films all coywrite protected. The only diffrence with the one dvd that works and the one that doesnt is the name. None of them are burnt or anything theyre all legite good copys. the name of the one that works happens to be "setup". its a movie no different than the rest but the name
[03:32] <andlabs> daftykins: that's how to mount an ISO image
[03:33] <andlabs> I just want to drop it into a loop device
[03:33] <sgo11> is that possible to remove whoopsie? when I try to apt-get remove it, it will also remove desktop manager...
[03:33] <Bustin> gr33n7007h: this is baffling, the green light is flashing, ran the command, and Can't connect RFCOMM socket: Host is down
[03:33] <daftykins> andlabs: i don't follow the distinction then, sorry.
[03:33] <Bustin> but my bluetooth mouse (which is a mac mouse too) pairs fine
[03:33] <sgo11> the same happens to apport.
[03:33] <andlabs> daftykins: so I can use /dev/loop0 in utilities like cdrwtool that demand an actual CD burner
[03:34] <gr33n7007h> Bustin, this is puzzling me too, have you got new batteries in the keyboard?
[03:34] <daftykins> andlabs: oh so you just want to know the device name once mounted?
[03:34] <jl420> daftykins is there anything else i can do
[03:34] <gr33n7007h> Bustin, try turning power on keyboard ON/OFF a couple of times and try again
[03:35] <Bustin> gr33n7007h: ok, it's connected, and did it via Blueman.
[03:35] <Bustin> Wow..
[03:35] <daftykins> jl420: so the film that works, you see an icon appear on the desktop, but for the others - nothing?
[03:35] <Bustin> it found it, and actually connected. Using it as we speak, thank you for all your help
[03:35] <gr33n7007h> Bustin, glad to hear :)
[03:35] <Bustin> gr33n7007h: should I remove bluez?
[03:35] <jl420> daftykins yup exactly
[03:35] <andlabs> daftykins: sure that works
[03:35] <gr33n7007h> Bustin, no not really
[03:35] <daftykins> jl420: no obvious damage to the disc surface i take it?
[03:36] <andlabs> ah, it's losetup
[03:36] <jl420> daftykins nope theyre all good and played in this player before ubuntu install 2 weeks ago
[03:36] <daftykins> andlabs: so manual mount as above then spot the mount location with 'df -h' maybe
[03:36] <Bustin> gr33n7007h: I want to thank you for your assistance, and being so patient.
[03:36] <Bustin> very helpful, thanks again.
[03:36] <daftykins> jl420: what was different then? Windows?
[03:36] <gr33n7007h> Bustin, np :)
[03:36] <inthedryer> back as a customer, so yest it gets to the welcome screen, the mouse freezes up and it shortly thereafter crashes
[03:37] <jl420> daftykins ya it had windaows xp but it was going downhill fast and i really like ubuntu other than this
[03:37] <sgo11> Is that possible to uninstall/remove whoopsie and apport? thanks.
[03:38] <jcabb> Hi. 12.04 installed.  Does this OS automatically spin down a SATA or do I need to configure that?  Thanks.
[03:38] <inthedryer> I'm in grub v2.02, found an editing screen: "setparams 'Start Kubuntu'"
[03:39] <SchrodingersScat> jcabb: there's a 'spin down disks' option in the power settings, if that sounds right
[03:39] <xangua> jcabb: you probably need something like tlp http://www.webupd8.org/2013/04/improve-power-usage-battery-life-in.html
[03:39] <daftykins> jl420: mmm pretty old school system, Pentium M and what looks like 1GB RAM. i can only suggest trying other distributions until you find something that works, i have no idea why it'd be so picky.
[03:39] <jcabb> xangua, its a desktop if that matters
[03:39] <jcabb> I just don't need the HDD spinning 24/7 just when accessed via samba or ssh
[03:40] <daftykins> jcabb: just so you know, that induces more wear over time
[03:40] <jl420> daftykins its actually 2gbs of ram but your right it is a very dated system. What about a fresh install or maybe Lubuntu
[03:40] <jcabb> daftykins, ok ill keep it in mind
[03:40] <jcabb> SchrodingersScat, just checked, HDD isnt an option just suspension & batt stuff.. thx tho
[03:41] <daftykins> jl420: i doubt you'd see much difference sticking within the ubuntu family still really, you may want to consider further afield but also keep within the debian family (maybe debian itself, or other derivatives like Mint which is based off of ubuntu)
[03:42] <jl420> daftykins do u think mint would be a good option with my limited system hardware
[03:42] <SchrodingersScat> jl420: found it in 'on ac' but now I'm not sure about that..
[03:42] <SchrodingersScat> oops
[03:42] <SchrodingersScat> jcabb: ^
[03:42] <jcabb> ok thx
[03:42] <NeoGeo64> so im having a lot of fun running linux.
[03:43] <daftykins> jl420: mmm depends which desktop you go with i suppose, give them a shout about whether one is lightweight or not
[03:43] <daftykins> NeoGeo64: great to hear, however this channel is for support questions only
[03:44] <ObrienDave> jl420, i would recommend Xubuntu
[03:45] <inthedryer> ok, I tried editing the grup starup parameters to statup in text, and it gets stuck
[03:45] <daftykins> jl420: oh i had one more idea which i forgot... can you put one of the non-working discs in then run "tail /var/log/syslog | pastebinit" and also "tail /var/log/messages | pastebinit"
[03:45] <jl420> daftykins ok thank u im gonna start looking into different distros.... this is a laptop im working with i have 2 other computers I can use so I have no problem trying different things ObrienDave would tha not be the same as me switching to Lubuntu? and just a question as a linux newb but is the terminal commands pretty much the same throughout
[03:45] <daftykins> jl420: indeed a Dell Latitude D610 ;)
[03:45] <daftykins> running BIOS A06 no less.
[03:46] <inthedryer> WARNING: CPU 2 PID 1 at /build...
[03:46] <daftykins> inthedryer: please construct full sentences rather than just typing or pasting randomly
[03:46] <jl420> daftykins yup its a beast lol... What do u think the best distro would be for my latitude d610
[03:46] <jcabb> jl420, i found crunchbang to run great myself
[03:47] <daftykins> jl420: would you like to run the above for me first - also i have no idea, i would donate that system to Africa.
[03:47] <inthedryer> That's the main item of text output before it gets stuck during startup of the live USB in text mode
[03:47] <Bustin> gr33n7007h: since you're so familiar, and good with Linux, how stable is compiz with Xubuntu 14.04 LTS? Or is it
[03:47] <jl420> lol ya no doubt i dunno it works pretty good as a spare computer daftykins
[03:48] <jl420> Ill run those now daftykins
[03:48] <inthedryer> It then mentions the Hardware name, and hexidecimal addresses.
[03:49] <gr33n7007h> Bustin, never used compiz so can't really help there
[03:49] <daftykins> inthedryer: please see my earlier comment.
[03:49] <Bustin> No worries gr33n7007h, thanks :)
[03:49] <gr33n7007h> Bustin, xfce is quite customizable and sleek
[03:50] <daftykins> Bustin: most people run xubuntu for the lightweight style, to get away from the unnecessary 3D junk that compiz gives unity on standard ubuntu. not sure why you'd want to add it back in :)
[03:50] <jl420> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7985350/ daftykins
[03:50] <Bustin> daftykins: I am quite happy with xubuntu, but I don't like not seeing animations for minimize and maximize, that's all really lol
[03:51] <amroory> Iam trying to install PXEboot to use it to deploy UBUNTU images through the netwrok using this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PXEInstallMultiDistro,,, but it's not working with recent version of software ... So any one can help me ... Thank you in advance
[03:51] <amroory> Iam trying to install PXEboot to use it to deploy UBUNTU images through the netwrok using this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PXEInstallMultiDistro,,, but it's not working with recent version of software ... So any one can help me ... Thank you in advance
[03:51] <inthedryer> I was decribing the output of the text based startup in the hopes that this would point to what parameter I may change to correct the issue. I'm working off the original link you had poseted.
[03:52] <amroory> Iam trying to server to use it to deploy UBUNTU images through the netwrok using this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PXEInstallMultiDistro,,, but it's not working with recent version of software ... So any one can help me ... Thank you in advance
[03:52] <bong1> so do we now have a clickey like program on linux? https://www.grc.com/freeware/clickey.htm
[03:52] <jl420> the second command u asked me to run says im trying to send an empty document daftykins
[03:52] <ObrienDave> !patience | amroory
[03:52] <daftykins> amroory: don't do that again.
[03:52] <xangua> !info xcompmgr | Bustin maybe this helps
[03:53] <daftykins> jl420: ok no problem, no clues there then (assuming you put the disc in just beforehand)
[03:53] <amroory> oky sorry
[03:53] <jl420> ok ill try again daftykins
[03:54] <xangua> it offers shadows  in menus and fade effect when minimize
[03:54] <jl420> ya it says im trying to send an empty document did u see the first one daftykins
[03:54] <daftykins> jl420: yep nothing useful i'm afraid. definitely distro change time
[03:55] <daftykins> amroory: as a tip though, someone is more likely to want to help if you say what you've tried (as per the guide) and where it stops working. you can write up a more lengthy explanation, pop it on paste.ubuntu.com then include it in your question.
[03:55] <ObrienDave> jl420, how about a clean install, back up and reformat
[03:56] <jl420> daftykins thank u for your help.. and u think linux mint would be the best be for me im a pretty advanced computer user bertter with hardware than software but i enjoy learning and u know what system im using lol soooo with all that lol
[03:56] <jl420> daftykins i am new at linux tho and would it be the same basic principle as ubuntu
[03:57] <daftykins> just experiment really, if you get a different result on the DVD playing - great
[03:58] <mikeg3> Hi I have installed ubuntu 14.04 and have had to reset my password for login.  Now when I try to log in, all it requires is a mouse click, even though I want to type my password.  what is wrong?
[03:59] <mikeg3> Auto login is disabled, btw
[04:00] <jl420> whats the best desktop unity, xfce....etc
[04:00] <lotuspsychje> !best
[04:00] <daftykins> there is no best, only that which works for you.
[04:00] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: can't believe that one got deleted too =|
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: did they do a cleaning perhaps?
[04:01] <inthedryer> xfce is quite fast.
[04:01] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: yeah, i've spotted some ops murdering factoids without replacing
[04:01] <bong1> jl420: lxde i use it myself with lubuntu, its so fast.
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> !factoids
[04:02] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: tnx lemme check latest ones :p
[04:02] <inthedryer> A nontechie friend has been running an unupdated version for years, and it gets the job done.
[04:02] <jl420> bong1 is it reliable and is there alot of the same applications and principles as unity
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> unity is also fast, depends how one uses it
[04:03] <daftykins> inthedryer: please stop using this as a chat channel, you're welcome to chat in #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:05] <jl420> I am very pleased with my unity desktop just looking to try something different hoping it will help me solve an issue....Is it bad to keep installing and uninstalling different os often
[04:06] <inthedryer> I'm not using it as chat, the man asked what was the best desktop, and I gave him anecdotal info about it. Plus I have proper problems going on in the mean time.
[04:06] <daftykins> inthedryer: try and keep it to support only and not argue, thanks
[04:07] <lotuspsychje> jl420: its best to solve your specific issue
[04:07] <bong1>  well said inthedryer
[04:11] <nightdemon666> hey guys... i need some help. my ubuntu box is screwed up hardcore now. i know what i did, i have tried to reverse it, now im nearly forced to reinstall :-( I NEED HELP
[04:11] <eeee> nightdemon666: what did you do?
[04:12] <nightdemon666> i have been messing with VDPAU and getting VA working... i got it working fairly well, but i wanted to fix an issue with a file it wanted to open but couldnt
[04:13] <nightdemon666> i added a couple of environment variables in /etc/environment and once i rebooted the problems started
[04:13] <daftykins> boot live session, chroot, undo the mistakes
[04:13] <daftykins> back in time for dinner.
[04:14] <nightdemon666> i ssh'd in since by graphics was SO SLOW and removed the variables and rebooted again,  but the problem has persisted :-(
[04:14] <nightdemon666> this is my media center box and have put alot of work into it
[04:15] <inthedryer> What sort of hardware is in it?
[04:15] <daftykins> "the problems" ?
[04:15] <nightdemon666> eeee you getting all of this... i tried removing the intel-linux-graphics-installer to attempt going back to stock intel graphics drivers
[04:15] <nightdemon666> its a mac mini 2007 build
[04:15] <nightdemon666> interl version
[04:15] <nightdemon666> everything worked pretty well. i was very satisfied,, until i broke it today :-(
[04:16] <daftykins> still waiting to hear what the problems are
[04:16] <sgo11> how can I define a second icon theme which will be used when the icon is missing in the chosen icon theme? thanks.
[04:16] <nightdemon666> when i htop, i see that one of the cores is going crazy to nearor at 100%
[04:17] <inthedryer> To run the stock intel drivers, did you have to use a driver wrapper?
[04:17] <euxneks> I just installed ubuntu 14.04 and <super> is not being recognized when pressed
[04:17] <euxneks> alt, ctrl work
[04:17] <eeee> euxneks: type xev in the terminal
[04:17] <daftykins> inthedryer: nightdemon666 means the default drivers from the base install, now please stop wasting peoples time
[04:17] <euxneks> every other key works.. any suggestions I can follow?
[04:17] <RahulAN> why i am not getting chrome on my launcher? it is running
[04:18] <RahulAN> and as i am minimizing it, it is lost, I don;t know where?
[04:18] <nightdemon666> daftykins, im sorry, im a wasting your time?
[04:18] <euxneks> eeee: yeah, strange, <super> is not recognized, maybe I have to change my keyboard layout
[04:18] <daftykins> nightdemon666: read the sentence again, the first nick was the intended recipient
[04:18] <inthedryer> How do you know what he means? I'm trying to at least help get the screws turning until my problem is solved
[04:19] <daftykins> inthedryer: because i know what i'm talking about.
[04:19] <Beldar> RahulAN, In the terminal google-chrome
[04:19] <nightdemon666> ok, just making sure... im trying to get to the point here where what im trying to do is get to the bottom on what the heck happend to make this crazy graphics issue persistant
[04:19] <RahulAN> how to get chrome running on side bar?
[04:19] <daftykins> nightdemon666: so oter than high CPU Load on one core, still waiting to hear what problems you're experiencing
[04:20] <nightdemon666> i made sure the environment variables i set were removed from the /etc/environment file... do they get stuck somewhere else too and the system is still using those variables?
[04:20] <RahulAN> Beldar, yes it invokes but nothing is shown on side bar of chrome
[04:20] <nightdemon666> the symptom is that the graphics are now REALLY choppy and slow
[04:20] <Beldar> RahulAN, side bar of chrome?
[04:21] <nightdemon666> because that one core is working its ass off to render the video output i guess :-/
[04:21] <RahulAN> No side bar of ubuntu desktop
[04:21] <RahulAN> Beldar,  ^
[04:21] <daftykins> nightdemon666: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install pastebinit" - then "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[04:21] <daftykins> nightdemon666: also what version is this please?
[04:21] <nightdemon666> 14.04
[04:21] <nightdemon666> amd mac
[04:21] <Beldar> RahulAN, not a chrome or unity user, maybe the reset for your release might work
[04:22] <inthedryer> I don't want to interupt with my problem while in the middle of solving his. Thus I do as my Math Teacher once said "Just by asking me the problem and my bouncing your questions back at you, you guys figure out the problems yourself "
[04:22] <daftykins> inthedryer: that is not acceptable here.
[04:23] <RahulAN> Beldar, previously when i was working i was getting my running application icon on my desktop side bar, but as i am running chrome its icon is not coming on side bar
[04:23] <Beldar> inthedryer, That can become really irritating
[04:23] <sgo11> found the solution, just edit index.theme. anyway.
[04:23] <nightdemon666> inthedryer, i appreciate any help,im pretty bummed out about screwing my computer up
[04:23] <Beldar> RahulAN, not a chrome or unity user, maybe the reset for your release might work
[04:23]  * johnc4510 to channel...I know this isn't an ubuntu problem but maybe someone can help...i registered my nick and password with freenode yesterday and used both. today it won't recognize my password....and /stats p shows me no freenode staff. How do i reset my password?
[04:24] <RahulAN> Beldar, how to reset?
[04:24] <nightdemon666> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7985553/
[04:24] <euxneks> looks like my keyboard layout is fine
[04:24] <Beldar> johnc4510, #freenode
[04:24] <lotuspsychje> !register | johnc4510
[04:24] <euxneks> so, new question: xev doesn't detect <super> key presses
[04:24] <Beldar> RahulAN, look up unity compiz reset for your ubuntu release.
[04:24] <johnc4510> Beldar: looking now
[04:26] <daftykins> nightdemon666: standard intel driver in use, what are you judging 'choppiness' from?
[04:27] <sgo11> hi, I am trying to disable service at startup. for example "sudo update-rc.d -f whoopsie remove". it doesn't work. after reboot, the service is still running. can anyone help? thanks.
[04:27] <sayash> \quit
[04:27] <euxneks> oh snap
[04:27] <nightdemon666> when i click on the dash, it now takes forever to load, anything takes for ever to load. at log in screen everything seems normal, but when i boot to the desktop, when i click on anything its choppy as crap
[04:27] <euxneks> I just figured it out, I had a "joystick" button pressed which disables the super key
[04:28] <ObrienDave> that was easy ;P
[04:30] <daftykins> nightdemon666: i'd suggest you look up how you should've uninstalled that other intel driver...
[04:30] <nightdemon666> i also tried a different accountof mine on the system, so its definitely system wide. when i had the VDPAU driver installed, i did do the no-no of setting the driver system wide by uncommenting the file /etc/X11/Xsession.d/20vdpau-va-g
[04:30] <daftykins> VDPAU is not a driver.
[04:30] <nightdemon666> but i set the comments back, and no changes :-(
[04:30] <inthedryer> As for me, I have a system that never ran linux, and has hardware designed for windows 8, in other words, designed to make installing linux a bit**
[04:31] <nightdemon666> i did sudo apt-get purge intel-linux-graphics-installer
[04:31] <daftykins> inthedryer: EFI installs are easy
[04:31] <daftykins> nightdemon666: i know what you did, but that's not what i said :)
[04:32] <nightdemon666> which other intel driver daftykins?
[04:32] <nightdemon666> you said you can see that the stock one is in use?
[04:33] <daftykins> well i can see *A* 'intel' driver is in use
[04:33] <nightdemon666> andyes, i understand that VDPAU is not a driver, i mis-stated that
[04:34] <nightdemon666> yeah the i915 one right?
[04:34] <daftykins> well i don't know how the one you downloaded the installer for would be called, if anything different
[04:34] <daftykins> but what i said above was for you to go back to that site, presumably 01.org ? and look at how *they* say to properly uninstall their driver
[04:35] <Beldar> inthedryer, At one time MS was the largest contributor to the linux kernel, no design for making linux anything in usfi.
[04:35] <nightdemon666> i can pop in a live CD and see what kernel module loads, but i don t have time for that now
[04:35] <Beldar> uefi*
[04:35] <daftykins> nightdemon666: in fairness though it sounds like you've been fiddling with everything under the sun, so perhaps you should just clean install
[04:35] <nightdemon666> yeah i thought about that too... i do need to look further into that, although i reinstaleld it again just to see if the installer would happen to fix something that got messed up
[04:36] <nightdemon666> daftykins, i know, i'd hate to have to do that too, it acts as an smb server and ssh/sftp server for other clients :-(
[04:37] <daftykins> ah, you made a huge mistake in your HTPC design.
[04:37] <daftykins> *modularity* is key
[04:39] <nightdemon666> daftykins, yep just thought about that too. all the files should reside on a separate server that all it does is host files on a headless server. nothing fancy
[04:42] <k_sze[work]> Looks like the '-U' option of `top` is broken even in 12.04 LTS
[04:43] <k_sze[work]> Is there anyway around it?
[04:54] <daftykins> nightdemon666: btw have i seen you in XBMC before? is that what you use?
[04:59] <Anon_77514> hello
[05:00] <inthedryer> daftykins: Why have you been rude to me? I don't know as much as you, but thats why we are here, and yes I'm picking up this chat room's etiquette rules (and irc commands) as I go, but I am picking them up. Why not restore the atmosphere of magnanimity by answering this: How, on grub 2.02, shall I enter commands in order to produce the data needed to find the root of my problem?
[05:00] <Anon_77514> anyone know anything about kali linux
[05:01] <inthedryer> a little bit
[05:01] <Anon_77514> do you hack?
[05:02] <Anon_77514> or what do you do because im in here to try and learn something
[05:03] <inthedryer> Have you got your Kali distro running smoothly? And do you own the systems you are trying to hack?
[05:03] <Beldar> !kali | Anon_77514 of course you are
[05:03] <Anon_77514> i have kali setup on vmware and i also have a win 7 on vm ware
[05:04] <Anon_77514> the win 7 i want to use as test
[05:04] <daftykins> Anon_77514: this is not the channel for you.
[05:04] <inthedryer> kali ought to have its own channel
[05:04] <daftykins> it does.
[05:04] <daftykins> it's linked above
[05:05] <daftykins> inthedryer: it's becoming pretty apparent that you're trolling
[05:05] <vicsar> .
[05:05] <inthedryer> I'm not trolling, i don't find pleasure in the activity
[05:07] <inthedryer> I just happen to be a dilettante, I mess with a little bit of everything, but havent gotten around to mastering anything, hence why I am here
[05:08] <daftykins> inthedryer: you think i've been rude, i've been repeatedly telling you your actions are against channel policy and you've continued anyway. do not address people you are unable to help.
[05:10] <malkauns> anyone experiencing 2 lockscreen on resume in 14.04?
[05:10] <malkauns> lockscreens*
[05:12] <jjjj> http://timemachine.jounin.jp/
[05:13] <patrik> ubuntu phone
[05:13] <daftykins> !touch | Guest83499
[05:13] <Anon_77514> ubuntu is phone programming?
[05:16] <Guest83499> what is the new ubuntu project
[05:16] <Guest83499> hai
[05:16] <Guest83499> jack
[05:17] <Beldar> not answering pointless questions
[05:17] <Guest83499> ubuntu
[05:17] <inthedryer> daftykins: If I came off rude it was by accident, I feel you have been rude on purpose. There was no need to use your experience and knowledge as a bludgeon. And I am nowhere closer to solving my problem. Do you not know commands to type in at the grub prompt?
[05:17] <Guest83499> interface
[05:17] <Guest83499> ubutu interface
[05:18] <daftykins> inthedryer: i was using neither, i have been telling you to stop breaking the rules of the channel, now silence please.
[05:20] <inthedryer> Anybody but daftykins, have you any experience with live CD's or live USB's crashing?
[05:21] <daftykins> Beldar: we've got one of THOSE on our hands yet again.
[05:22] <inthedryer> One of those, what the hell is with your ego trip man? Yeah I could have left our the "Anybody but" but the "Silence Please" quite irked me.
[05:23] <Beldar> I just use the ignore not worth the headache. ;)
[05:23] <daftykins> ^_^
[05:24] <tac_> Why does bash choke to death when I write a command with a ! in it?
[05:24] <tac_> like echo "hello!"
[05:25] <tac_> it doesn't store the failed command in my history. And more aggrivatingly, it doesn't let me escape the ! with echo "hello\!"
[05:25] <malkauns> works fine for me
[05:25] <malkauns> no idea
[05:25] <tac_> the \! thing doesn't actually do an escape, I should clarify.  Where are configs saved which were set in the system configurations?
[05:40] <Guest98459> yo hateball, you ever have probs wit install not stating?
[05:41] <Guest98459> How do I fix dat shit, do I need to get gentoo?
[05:42] <moarrr> ubuntu is trash and useless and slow - https://twitter.com/DanMAbraham
[05:42] <moarrr> :P
[05:42] <daftykins> my my, the trolls are in force today
[05:45] <Guest98459> so wat do I get moarrr?
[05:46] <secstack> Where are my system configurations are saved?  It depends on the application you configure
[05:53] <hateball> secstack: Usually you have systemwide settings in /etc, with user overrides in ~/
[05:54] <secstack> hateball, okay but I assume that Ubuntu system settings are saved in ~ (because they are user specific).
[05:54] <Anon_77514> whats the purpose of ubuntu
[05:54] <hateball> secstack: Basically, if you're asked to enter your password to change something it's not stored in your ~/
[06:08] <thomas_> -help
[06:08] <thomas_> --help
[06:14] <Anon_77514> whats so good about ubuntu
[06:14] <hateball> !ot | Anon_77514
[06:15] <Anon_77514> ok srry
[06:23] <Ali> hi
[06:23] <Guest76506> can you help me ?
[06:24] <Guest76506> Earth Link, owner of sense in my online distributor has shut down all ports Is there a way or program I tried to open all the roads for two years and did not succeed for any way to open
[06:25] <Guest76506> Earth Link, owner of sense in my online distributor has shut down all ports Is there a way or program I tried to open all the roads for two years and did not succeed for any way to open
[06:27] <alexnder> hello
[06:28] <alexnder> Д
[06:30] <tr33house> alexnder: hey!
[06:33] <tr33house> alexnder: welcome to the #ubuntu channel \o
[06:33] <tr33house> \quit
[06:34] <sgo11> hi, when I run "sudo update-grub", which partition will it install to? My grub is at /dev/sdb. It doesn't take any change after I run "sudo update-grub".
[06:40] <hateball> sgo11: update-grub only updates the config in /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[06:41] <hateball> sgo11: So it doesnt care what partition that might be on
[06:42] <laughingtiger> why are you updating grub sgo11?
[06:42] <sgo11> hateball, I changed the timeout to be 0 in /etc/default/grub. but it doesn't change.
[06:44] <hateball> sgo11: Do you mean that it does not change /boot/grub/grub.cfg, or that it "doesnt work" ?
[06:45] <laughingtiger> do it again sao11 and it may work.
[06:45] <eeee> sgo11: try grub-mkconfig
[06:46] <sgo11> let me try it again.
[06:46] <laughingtiger> or try update-grub2
[06:46] <hateball> all update-grub is, is a wrapper for grub-mkconfig :)
[06:47] <sgo11> it doesn't work. so what should i do now?
[06:47] <laughingtiger> now reboot it
[06:48] <laughingtiger> and then do it again, maybe it'll work.
[06:48] <sgo11> laughingtiger, update-grub2 and update-grub are the same program.
[06:49] <laughingtiger> lol. I think the file you've tried to edit didn't get saved.
[06:49] <sgo11> hateball, I change GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0 and GRUB_TIMEOUT=0 in /etc/default/grub, then run sudo update-grub. it doesn't work.
[06:49] <laughingtiger> check the file
[06:50] <hateball> sgo11: What I asked was: does it not change the contents of /boot/grub/grub.cfg at all?
[06:50] <hateball> Or does it "not work" when you boot?
[06:50] <sgo11> hateball, I don't where to look in grub.cfg. I did grep those parameters. nothing in grub.cfg
[06:50] <sgo11> I don't know*
[06:50] <hateball> sgo11: the params have different names, grep for time
[06:51] <eeee> sgo11: cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg | grep timeout
[06:52] <sgo11> hateball, eeee http://pastebin.de/129010
[06:53] <eeee> sgo11: it's set to 0
[06:54] <sgo11> eeee, but at every boot, I can see the grub is counting from 8s.
[06:55] <sgo11> btw, I installed the ubuntu to a usb flash drive. /dev/sdb is where the grub installed. I am not sure if that matters or not.
[06:56] <laughingtiger> why didn't you mentioned this earlier, this is exactly where the problem lies.
[06:57] <laughingtiger> lol
[06:57] <sgo11> laughingtiger, I said the grub was installed in /dev/sdb. is that not enough? so please, what is the problem? thanks.
[06:58] <blueingress> Hi have anyone use evernote from ubuntu?
[06:58] <laughingtiger> well, is /dev/sdb your usb or hard drive? sgo11
[06:58] <sgo11> laughingtiger, /dev/sdb is my usb.
[06:59] <laughingtiger> maybe grub has been installed into somewhere else. lol
[06:59] <sgo11> laughingtiger, when I install ubuntu, I am sure that is installed to /dev/sdb. I used this usb flash in many PCs. the grub is the same when booting from that usb drive.
[06:59] <laughingtiger> I don't know, I just think you installed it on a usb is the cause of the problem
[07:01] <sgo11> hateball, eeee sorry to interrupt, any ideas?
[07:01] <eeee> sgo11: sudo nano /etc/default/grub
[07:02] <sgo11> eeee, yeah, do I pastebin the contents to you?
[07:02] <eeee> sgo11: no, add this line GRUB_RECORDFAIL_TIMEOUT=$GRUB_TIMEOUT
[07:03] <eeee> then sudo update-grub and restart
[07:03] <sgo11> eeee, ok. doing it now. thanks.
[07:04] <laughingtiger> btw, don't be so obsessed with those little tricks. lol
[07:05] <laughingtiger> and don't care what I've said , I'm only a laughing tiger who can only lol. lol
[07:05] <sgo11> eeee, sorry. it still shows 8s. I am in grub screen.
[07:08] <Beldar> !bootinfo | sgo11 this will tell you every where grub is
[07:08] <Beldar> plug the usb in when running it
[07:08] <TJ-> Having fun with GRUB?
[07:13] <eeee> sgo11: type cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg | grep recordfail=
[07:14] <sgo11> eeee, that shows set recordfail=1
[07:15] <eeee> try to manually set it to 0, and reboot
[07:15] <eeee> if it works thats the problem, but next time you run update-grub it'll disappear
[07:15] <sgo11> eeee, ok. I will try that. if that dose not work, i will paste bootinfo result to pastebin. thanks.
[07:16] <eeee> sudo nano /boot/grub/grub.cfg > ctrl+w to search, type recordfail=
[07:18] <sgo11> eeee, sorry, it still shows 8s.
[07:20] <eeee> sgo11: what's on your pc?
[07:21] <sgo11> eeee, Beldar http://pastebin.de/129011
[07:21] <HelperW_> I have a question I have ubuntu setup
[07:21] <eeee> maybe the grub found on the other drive is being run, and it sees the OS of the USB?
[07:21] <HelperW_> but im pretty new to this
[07:21] <sgo11> eeee, another ubuntu installation.
[07:21] <eeee> sgo11: ok great
[07:21] <HelperW_> a lot of the time  I see access denied for my files. is there a way I can disable that for a whole directory?
[07:22] <HelperW_> I login with my FTP credentials
[07:22] <sgo11> eeee, at boot time, I choose boot from USB. it uses my /dev/sdb usb grub.
[07:22] <HelperW_> into my var/www/html folder.
[07:22] <HelperW_> But everythime I try to create a new folder I get 'access denied'.
[07:23] <HelperW_> How can I enable it that it's always possible to create files and folders via FTP?
[07:23] <Beldar> sgo11, You have /boot/grub/grub.cfg /etc/fstab in the OS and the usb.
[07:23] <HelperW_> "Error -140: remote mkdir failed"
[07:23] <eeee> sgo11:  so there's only one OS to choose from in the grub menu?
[07:23] <HelperW_> I guess I have to set 'somewhere' write access.. but I have not yet a clue where.
[07:23] <sgo11> Beldar, yeah, I should have them. But I only use my USB system. never mount my PC partitions.
[07:23] <Beldar> sgo11, And the grub boot menu in both mbr's
[07:24] <sgo11> eeee, there are two OS in the grub menu. that's why I want to get rid of grub screen. it's useless when I choose boot from usb.
[07:24] <Beldar> grub is not smart enouigh to know the difference
[07:24] <sgo11> Beldar, there are two grubs. one is installed in PC. another one is installed in usb.
[07:25] <eeee> sgo11: try grub-install /dev/sdb
[07:25] <Beldar> sgo11, Yeah, whay is that I never got your reasoniong
[07:25] <Beldar> why* reasoning*
[07:25] <sgo11> eeee, what will that do?
[07:26] <eeee> sgo11: reinstalled grub in the /dev/sdb
[07:26] <eeee> or you could try to remove the timeout in the other OS
[07:26] <eeee> sgo11: when grub loads, is the USB OS the first in the list?
[07:26] <TJ-> sgo11: When the GRUB menu shows, do you see "Yisixue 13.11" or "Ubuntu" + "Ubuntu 高级选项" ?
[07:27] <sgo11> eeee, there are two grubs. if I don't boot from usb, the PC OS is at the first entry because that is PC's grub. if I choose boot from usb, the USB OS is at the first entry, because that is USB grub.
[07:27] <TJ-> sgo11: If you see "Yisixue 13.11" the PC is booting from GRUB on /dev/sda, if you see "Ubuntu" it is booting from the USB on /dev/sdb
[07:27] <sgo11> TJ-, I am sure it's booting from /dev/sdb.
[07:27] <TJ-> sgo11: So you see "Ubuntu" as the first menu entry?
[07:27] <sgo11> TJ-, that's right.
[07:28] <TJ-> sgo11: Good :) that avoids any confusion here.
[07:28] <sgo11> TJ-, I never mount my PC OS during my USB OS running session.
[07:28] <sgo11> PC partitions*
[07:28] <TJ-> sgo11: I came in after you described the original problem; can you summarise the issue for me?
[07:28] <sgo11> so, what should I do now?
[07:29] <sgo11> TJ-, I try to setup grub timeout to be 0, basically, I don't want the grub screen shown. (the USB grub)
[07:30] <Beldar> sgo11, The sda is booting using its grub files look at the /etc/default/grub leading to the grub.cfg on sda and sdb
[07:30] <TJ-> sgo11: OK ... and I've seen you mention "8s" ... I assume you mean the count-down timer showing 8 seconds at the point the menu displays?
[07:30] <sgo11> TJ-, yeah. I setup GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0 AND GRUB_TIMEOUT=0 in /etc/default/grub and then run update-grub. it doesn't work.
[07:31] <bahamas> anyone know about any issues with upstart on ubuntu 14.04? I have a file only with 'description', and when trying to run sudo service <my_service> status, I get 'description: not found'
[07:31] <sgo11> Beldar, what does that mean? sorry I don't get it. thanks.
[07:31] <TJ-> sgo11: when you generated the BootInfo output, was the booted OS Ubuntu from the USB device?
[07:32] <sgo11> TJ-, USB device. here, I never use PC OS. I never ever use PC OS.
[07:32] <sgo11> TJ-, I only use USB OS.
[07:32] <Beldar> sgo11, Your time out is 0 in the sdb grub.cfg but 10 in the sda grub.cfg you happen to have fixated on 8 it is a 10 second time out you are boot from the sda grub everything.
[07:32] <Beldar> booting*
[07:34] <Beldar> two identical grub setups including mbr's is a bit much for grub just running like that.
[07:34] <TJ-> sgo11: OK. Here's what is happening. BIOS offers you a boot device to choose from, you choose USB *but* the HDD is listed first. When BIOS loads GRUB's MBR from /dev/sdb and GRUB asks the BIOS for the first disk id, which is supposed to be /dev/sdb, BIOS instead tells it the first disk is /dev/sda, so the GRUB MBR on /dev/sdb reads core.img and grub.cfg from /dev/sda
[07:34] <sgo11> Beldar, do you mean if I uninstall PC OS, everything will be fine? I don't really get it. because I am using my USB grub. my USB grub at /dev/sdb will read my sda grub setup?
[07:34] <TJ-> Beldar: This is a well known BIOS bug
[07:34] <Beldar> TJ-, cool still it is just using the OS's grub is all.
[07:34] <TJ-> sgo11: So, the 8 seconds you see is in fact the remainder of the 10 second timeout you have set on /dev/sda
[07:35] <TJ-> Beldar: It is using both /dev/sdb and /dev/sda, due to the BIOS bug
[07:35] <sgo11> TJ-, ok. got it. so what should I do to avoid this bug without changing anything in /dev/sda ?
[07:35] <sgo11> TJ-, is that possible? thanks.
[07:36] <Beldar> TJ-, So the sdb mbr is booting the sda grub.
[07:36] <TJ-> sgo11: So, my suggestions are 2. First, try to change the permanent boot order in BIOS so the USB device is listed first - don't just select the USB device in the manual boot device chooser, and second, alter the timeout value on /dev/sda1/boot/grub/grub.cfg
[07:36] <Beldar> sda1's grub that is
[07:37] <TJ-> Beldar: precisely :)
[07:37] <sgo11> TJ-, Beldar ok, got it. thanks.
[07:37] <Beldar> I figured it was two grub instances, had not heard of the bug though
[07:37] <eeee> TJ-: if GRUB is reading the grub.cfg of /dev/sda, then wouldn't the list be off?
[07:37] <eeee> i mean, the naming at least
[07:38] <sgo11> yeah, the list is different when I boot from different grubs.
[07:38] <TJ-> Beldar: To be technical... when GRUB starts it had to rely on BIOS services. It asks the BIOS for the first hard disk which has code 0x80 ... that is supposed to be the disk that boot began on (/dev/sdb) *but* in these buggy BIOSes the BIOS still returns the first disk in the system as 0x80 so GRUB continues loading itself from /dev/sda's core.img and then grub.cfg
[07:39] <Beldar> TJ-, Ah, that makes sense, heh and grub is so simple in general use.
[07:39] <TJ-> eeee: No... this is the fun part. Once GRUB's core.img has loaded it uses its own disk access code modules and knows the correct device to read the grub.cfg from, by the UUID of the file-system
[07:39] <eeee> TJ-: yeah, but wouldn't the naming be off?
[07:40] <eeee> Menu entry bla bla
[07:40] <eeee> not the uuid getting mixed up
[07:40] <TJ-> BIOS > MBR of boot disk > MBR asks which is the boot disk? MBR reads core.img from the boot disk, which initialises GRUB's disk access modules, which searches for the UUID of the GRUB root file-system and loads the menu
[07:41] <eeee> ok, well if it's loading /dev/sda's grub, wouldn't it use the menu entry's there?
[07:44] <TJ-> eeee: Strangely, no, because if the way GRUB writes the core.img. The problem occurs in the early stages when the BIOS is returning the wrong drive info to GRUB. Because sgo11 has 2 almost identical installations its luck that it loads... otherwise we'd be dealing with a "grub rescue>" prompt
[07:45] <TJ-> sgo11: Are you able, in BIOS, to completely remove the HHD from the boot order temporarily, as a test? Booting from USB then should result in GRUB correctly using the configuration from grub.cfg on on the USB as it is now
[07:47] <TJ-> I wrote a diagnostic MBR for the syslinux project some years ago that exposes this bug. In that project we added a hot-key you can hold down if this happens, if the MBR detects that key-down, it ignores the BIOS and figures things out correctly
[07:47] <Beldar> clever
[07:52] <TJ-> I suspect what has happened is, the sda install at some time did a save_env() of the timeout and so it's core.img reads that env and when the /dev/sdb1 grub.cfg is read and executed and does load_env() it is inheriting the sda value
[08:00] <SpaceJams> whats up
[08:13] <trung__> hi, just started using tmux. Can I ask why are meta key bindings also use escape? For example I bound M-n to "create-window". It works when I press Alt-n which is intended, but also works when I do Escape-n which is really annoying
[08:14] <somsip> trung__: one to ask in the tmux support channel. Though I use CTRL B as the main command binding
[08:15] <trung__> join #tmux
[08:16] <geirha> M-n generates the sequence \en
[08:18] <peter_> hi
[08:20] <greenmang0> i am on ubuntu trusty on aws, running "ln -sv filename linkname" shows something like this in output -  _jolokia_ -> _jolokia-jvm-1.2.2-agent.jar_  - notice the underscores around the filenames, i wonder where do they come from
[08:20] <greenmang0> noticed similar output when downloading files with "wget"
[08:22] <somsip> greenmang0: can you put the output in pastebin
[08:22] <geirha> greenmang0: the translators for your language has probably translated the ` and ' from the english version, to those _ characters
[08:22] <geirha> greenmang0: try   export LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8;   then do another ln -sv
[08:24] <geirha> If you feel those _ are wrong, you should report it as a bug against the coreutils package and/or try to contact the localization team for your language
[08:30] <greenmang0> geirha: export didn't help
[08:32] <greenmang0> somsip: http://paste.debian.net/114326/
[08:34] <M^tt> I see some strange listen on port behavior from apache2 with ipv6, for port 80 it seems to work as expected but for 443 its dropping a part of the address ?
[08:34] <M^tt> http://pastebin.com/Qpduat53
[08:34] <TJ-> greenmang0: The "-" is, in Latin, the single-quote forward-tick
[08:34] <legend> Hi there. Spell checker doesn't seem to be working on my ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS. There's no read underline or something whenever i type wrong.
[08:34] <greenmang0> TJ-: it's an underscore that I am getting
[08:35] <legend> I forgot to mention. It's in Libre Office.
[08:35] <M^tt> did i make a config mistake ?, i did the ipv6 :443 conf the same as the ipv6 :80 conf which seems to work as i would expect
[08:36] <TJ-> greenmang0: I know, the codes are different. If you do "ln -sv jolokia-jvm-1.2.2-agent.jar jolokia | hexdump -C" do you get see the same codes as these:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/7987013/
[08:37] <hateball> legend: what locale are you using
[08:37] <TJ-> greenmang0: notice how for my output the UTF-8 code is "e2 80 98"
[08:37] <minatu> hi all
[08:38] <TJ-> greenmang0: that was for the opening single-quote mark. The closing single quote mark has code "e2 80 99"
[08:39] <hateball> legend: for spellcheck to work, make sure you have the hunspell packages for your locale installed
[08:40] <TJ-> greenmang0: And if I do "LC_ALL=C ln -sv jolokia-jvm-1.2.2-agent.jar jolokia" the output uses the ASCII single-quote character: 'jolokia' -> 'jolokia-jvm-1.2.2-agent.jar'
[08:40] <legend> hateball, how to check it ? I think it's English(India) under Tool > Language > For Selection in Libreoffice
[08:41] <greenmang0> TJ-: i am getting the exact same output with hexdump as yours, and yes, LC_ALL=C worked just like you stated
[08:43] <hateball> legend: It doesnt seem like there are any hunspell packages for en-in
[08:43] <legend> hateball, It's still not working after installing hunspell packages
[08:45] <minatu> I'm trying to build a stable version of apache in Ubuntu, which most stable of apache in Ubuntu? Any suggest?
[08:45] <hateball> legend: If you change the document language to en-Us ?
[08:45] <legend> hateball, After changing to en-US it's still not working.
[08:46] <hateball> legend: hmmm
[08:48] <legend> hateball, Right now. I am chatting with you in Xchat. And in this xchat application Spell check is working fine. Does Libre Office uses a separate dictionary ?
[08:48] <hateball> legend: I don't know what xchat uses actually
[08:49] <hateball> legend: if you install the package myspell-en-gb, does that change anything?
[08:49] <hateball> A restart of LO is needed of course
[08:50] <TJ-> greenmang0: so, your native language character-set is interpreting the UTF codes as underscores instead of open and closing quotes that are in the English UTF-8 character sets
[08:51] <legend> hateball, i am showing you a log when i installed hunspell package from terminal. I hope you find something interesting here. Link:- http://paste.ubuntu.com/7987111/
[08:51] <legend> I will try that package you mentioned.
[08:52] <hateball> legend: oh just the package hunspell is not enough, maybe I was unclear. apt-get install hunspell-en-us
[08:53] <jerem`> hi guys
[08:54] <jerem`> for a particular needs, I have to use Ubuntu 8.04 but repos seems to be down
[08:54] <somsip> !eol | jerem`
[08:55] <jerem`> somsip: maybe there are some unofficial repo somewhere ?
[08:55] <legend> hateball, Thanks. Spell check is working now! Not under en-IN but en-US.
[08:56] <llutz> jerem`: even if there exists an inofficial repo, would your trust those packages?
[08:56] <somsip> jerem`: maybe there is. But this is the official support channel, and 8.04 has been dead since May 9th 2013
[08:56] <geirha> greenmang0: Have you changed the terminal font?
[08:58] <TJ-> jerem`: Use http://old-releases.ubuntu.com
[08:58] <jerem`> llutz and somsip . I need to install a 8.04 to reproduce the client env
[08:58] <jerem`> TJ-: thank you
[08:59] <somsip> TJ-: thanks - I've not come across that before. I can fix a 10.10 issue I've got now...
[08:59] <jerem`> :)
[09:01] <hateball> legend: Yes I guess there are no in libraries
[09:02] <legend> Yeah
[09:04] <mjsey89> How can I mount a network drive on start up instead of having to manually re-mount every boot?
[09:06] <Ben64> !fstab | mjsey89
[09:12] <jerem`> !sources.list | jerem`
[09:18] <SomeoneWeird> does anyone know if I can configure ssh-agent to force asking for a password again for specific domains?
[09:19] <SomeoneWeird> ugh that sentence is structured badly, anyway it still kind of makes sense
[09:20] <sikor_sxe> what is the preferred way to restart dhclient on ubuntu?=
[09:20] <marc32> Does anyone use a "Broadcom Corporation BCM43228 802.11a/b/g/n [14e4:4359]" wifi NIC with Ubuntu 14.04 LTS? Mine does not work
[09:20] <jerem`> guys, about sources.list can I just put the URL ?
[09:21] <jerem`> deb http://domain.example.net/ubuntu/hardy/
[09:21] <bcvery> !broadcom | marc32
[09:21] <cfhowlett> !hardy|jerem`,
[09:21] <mjsey89> Ben64,  sorted ty
[09:21] <jerem`> cfhowlett: thank but that's not my problem
[09:22] <marc32> bcvery, yeah but its not that easy, seems to be a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/broadcom-sta/+bug/1343151
[09:22] <somsip> jerem`: are you wanting to update the packages?
[09:22] <jerem`> I'm not usual with sources.list
[09:22] <jerem`> from http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ , how can I fill my sources.list for hardy please ?
[09:23] <cfhowlett> !eolupgrade|jerem`,
[09:23] <keys> hi
[09:23] <cfhowlett> jerem`, details and how to ^
[09:23] <jerem`> don't want upgrade, just change my sources.list
[09:24] <jerem`> with this repo http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/
[09:24] <Ben64> jerem`: if you checked the link you'd see the answer
[09:24] <somsip> jerem`: for what reason?
[09:24] <cynicallemon> jerem`, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SourcesList
[09:27] <aa1ex> hello!
[09:27] <jerem`> ok thank cynicallemon
[09:27] <jerem`> somsip: I need a 8.04 because I have to reproduce a client environment
[09:27] <somsip> jerem`: so will you want to update after changing your sources.list?
[09:28] <aa1ex> I have a problem with elementary os, for some reason it is hiding some apps window. The process is there, it is  runngin but I get no window :( is it a know issue??
[09:29] <somsip> aa1ex: not supported here. Try something like #elementaryos
[09:29] <cfhowlett> aa1ex, elementary OS is not ubuntu = not supported here.  sorry
[09:29] <jerem`> somsip: no, I need to change the sources.list cause the official one give me 404 error. I guess the repo moved
[09:30] <cfhowlett> jerem`, the repo is dead - end of life and no longer supported ...
[09:30] <aa1ex> but it's almost the same and that chnnl is empty :( is what I described somthing know to happen in linux or is it a wired thing with my config?
[09:30] <cfhowlett> aa1ex, NOT the same NOT supported
[09:30] <somsip> jerem`: you're missing the point. Just as cfhowlett has said, but if you want to install individual packages, you can do that from downloading them from launchpad, which is a pain if you have more than a few
[09:30] <aa1ex> I googled it but there was no luck
[09:30] <cfhowlett> aa1ex, sorry.  for ubuntu support - install ubuntu.
[09:30] <somsip> aa1ex: http://elementaryos.org/docs/irc-faq
[09:31] <jerem`> somsip: I need several packages for 8.04 , but the official repo isn't available so ..
[09:31] <aa1ex> ok what if it happened on ubuntu? :P lol thanks.
[09:32] <cfhowlett> aa1ex, ha ha no.
[09:32] <somsip> jerem`: so...download individual packages from launchpad if you want to go that way.
[09:32] <jerem`> or change the repositories to http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/
[09:32] <F1skr> How do I check wheter a service is based on upstart or sysV? Ubuntu 14.04 server
[09:32] <cfhowlett> aa1ex, by the way, if you can't get the support you need from the OS you installed --- perhaps you should consider your options
[09:32] <cfhowlett> !server | F1skr,
[09:34] <darksider> hi all
[09:34] <aa1ex> I konow but I love eOS, I've been using it for almost a year now and suddenly some windows desappear. I'll check the forums thnks
[09:35] <linuxnoob89> HI all, I am trying to run a tool on Xvfb (while I already have an xvfb running (Xvfb:4))  commands+output  http://shrib.com/2HUQi2cw
[09:36] <darksider> I have a question: I have an atom based system with Ubuntu 32bit server. When ACPI is enabled in BIOS, the screen goes off during boot (the machine works fine in background, i can use it thru SSH. Any ideas?
[09:36] <jerem`> ok problem solved when adding old repositories
[09:37] <jerem`> in hardy
[09:38] <sebastien> yep
[09:39] <jerem`> thank you again TJ-
[09:39] <jerem`> for giving me the http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/
[09:39] <cynicallemon> jerem`, yeah all releases are archived there
[09:40] <jerem`> yeah my hardy works fine now
[09:40] <somsip> jerem`: so what did you do?
[09:40] <cynicallemon> almost makes me wantto install warty for a laugh
[09:50] <Kira9204> darksider: does it work with acpi off tho?
[09:50] <darksider> Kira9204: yes, it works fine
[09:54] <stevenm> Hey I'm using the remote desktop sharing (vino) feature on 14.04 - when I VNC to it, it doesn't refresh - but mouse movements/keyboard works and such - any ideas?
[09:55] <stevenm> my res is 5760x1080 which could have something to do with it?  (3 x 1080p screens horizontally)
[09:56] <Kira9204> darksider: then it would seem that there is no acpi support for your system in qestion. But since its an atom should`t it have like a 10w power consumpyion?
[09:57] <darksider> Kira9204: could be, however, before ubuntu I had a gentoo and it worked fine
[10:00] <cynicallemon> Kira9204, yeah most of those atom boards are about 10w
[10:00] <darksider> it could be even less than 10W, its an embedded system
[10:01] <cynicallemon> darksider, i have an intel atom board 32bit only and its never been good with a gui
[10:01] <darksider> Kira9204: im installing the system now, ran into a problem
[10:02] <Kira9204> ok
[10:02] <darksider> cynicallemon: its a server installation, so no GUI, I use it as a Plex media server
[10:02] <Kira9204> well, i would not make a big deal out of it
[10:02] <eliudnir_> is it normal to get an older package from the software center EVEN IF you use the drop-down to specify a newer package (I am getting Conky 1.8.1 even when I select 1.9.0 from the dropdown)
[10:03] <cynicallemon> darksider, cool, my atom is a server too and a pretty stable one too
[10:03] <glcheetham> Hi guys, I have a postfix server that can send but not receive, emails sent to it get returned to sender with "Recipient not found", can anyone help?
[10:04] <darksider> I have two external drives i need to mount at boot time, an usb HDD and a network drive. I modified fstab and all works well doing mount -a. However, when I boot I get usb diskdrive not ready or not present
[10:04] <Kira9204> stevenm: yeah, i remeber having similar problems before, but solved it by disabling desktop effects
[10:04] <llutz> glcheetham: check $mydestination/$mydomain and your usernames.
[10:06] <Kira9204> surprisinhly i had more success with rdp servers to linux machines
[10:06] <cynicallemon> glcheetham, you may want to check your aliases file too
[10:06] <glcheetham> llutz, Sorry, but this is my first time setting up a mail server and I'm reasonably unfamiliar with the structure of the conf files. Which conf file should I edit?
[10:07] <llutz> glcheetham: /etc/postfix/main.cf is the main config for postfix. more elp in #postfix and on postfix.org in the documentation
[10:08] <glcheetham> ok cheers guys on it now will report back
[10:08] <cynicallemon> glcheetham, did you look at this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix when setting it up?
[10:08] <darksider> Kira9204: any ideas? Could it be that the modules are not loaded?
[10:08] <Kira9204> darksider: im guessing that its trying to mout the drive before the USB drivers are active
[10:08] <Kira9204> darksider: you could try to have a timeout?
[10:09] <Kira9204> or add it to rc.local?
[10:10] <Kira9204> i have several sshfs drives for my server but i always ends up mounting them after the system has booted
[10:10] <Kira9204> so im somewhat in the same boat
[10:11] <cynicallemon> Kira9204, yeah USB drives are slow to react at boot, best to mount them just after boot
[10:11] <darksider> Kira9204: i changed raiserfs to auto in fstab and it worked
[10:11] <kdeuser56> sometimes cp, rsync or btrfs send slow down the system considerably, if the files are being written to a slow disk ... why is that and what can be done about it?
[10:12] <darksider> Kira9204: i can't mount them later as i have daemons that load at boot time which rely on data on the USB disk
[10:13] <stevenm> Kira9204, like which ones?
[10:13] <darksider> Kira9204: the system is installed on a 4GB compactflash so I keep it only for the system, not user data
[10:13] <geirha> Apart from buying a faster disk? :) ionice might help
[10:13] <ElMaestro> hi guys, brand new ubuntu user, how do i upgrade from 9.1 that I am now on to newer versions?
[10:14] <somsip> !eolupgrade | ElMaestro
[10:14] <cfhowlett> ElMaestro, cleanest and easiest method is to download the ISO, make a boot USB and install
[10:14] <cynicallemon> agreed
[10:14] <cynicallemon> and back your data up
[10:14] <cfhowlett> this ^^ 2
[10:15] <ElMaestro> does the new installation mean i loose all my settings esp, wired network config
[10:15] <cfhowlett> ElMaestro, they should reconfigure automatically with the new installation but note your settings in case you must do some manual work
[10:16] <ElMaestro> is it possible to upgrade it online?
[10:17] <geirha> ElMaestro: see the last link from ubottu. On a side note, there is no 9.1 version, you probably have 9.10
[10:18] <Kira9204> stevenm: xrdp, but it can still have problems with unity 3D, so i recommend that you use gnome session fallback
[10:18] <geirha> (which means it was released in year 2009, month 10)
[10:18] <Kira9204> stevenm: http://askubuntu.com/a/260274
[10:18] <cfhowlett> ElMaestro, you'd need to upgrade to 10.04 > 12.04    ///
[10:18] <mjsey89> I'm running php and apache and trying to create a directory on a mounted drive using mkdir in php. However I get a permission denied error, even though I can view the folders already at that path
[10:18] <ElMaestro> am a bit scared to do complete installation, cause took me all of two days to configure my ethernet statically, and yes am on 9.10 currently
[10:18] <stevenm> Kira9204, I'm actually using xrdp in combination with vino
[10:18] <stevenm> Kira9204, do you mean flashback?
[10:19] <Kira9204> stevenm: flashback?
[10:19] <cfhowlett> ElMaestro, then don't.  just because 9.10 has NO support or security updates ...
[10:20] <cfhowlett> ElMaestro, one other option
[10:20] <stevenm> Kira9204, yeah 14.04 doesn't come with fallback - but you can install flashback
[10:20] <cfhowlett> ElMaestro, download the 10.04 alternative install disk.  set that ISO as software source.  upgrade.  then do it again for 12.04
[10:22] <Kira9204> stevenm: i was actually not aware, but then yes, flasshback and use metacity
[10:22] <stevenm> cool it's working :)
[10:23] <Kira9204> nice :D
[10:24] <cynicallemon> ElMaestro, i would just get the latest iso like mention and back data up and reconfigure the network - might be easier
[10:26] <Kira9204> mybit: php runs at its own user
[10:26] <Kira9204> *as
[10:27] <stevenm> Is it even possible to use unity with metacity? (i.e. non 3d mode) in 14.04?
[10:27] <Kira9204> you could solve the problem by adding php yo a common group that the folder is owned by
[10:29] <ElMaestro> i would like the upgrade to also be installed on HDD
[10:30] <greenmang0> geirha: was AFK, no I didn't change the font, LC_ALL=C fixed the problem
[10:31] <Kira9204> stevenm: accoring to omgubuntu there should be a an option http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/session-chooser-ubuntu-lightdm.jpg
[10:31] <geirha> greenmang0: No, it doesn't fix anything.
[10:32] <ElMaestro> how do i check my system data in ubuntu like one does in windows with "dxdiag" ?
[10:32] <geirha> greenmang0: It just hides the symptom while introducing other problems
[10:32] <greenmang0> geirha: hmm, what do you think the right fix is?
[10:33] <greenmang0> i am using iterm2
[10:33] <Kira9204> ElMaestro: install hardinfo
[10:33] <geirha> greenmang0: Could you try with uxterm or gnome-terminal or one of the other terminal emulators?
[10:34] <Kira9204> or use lspci
[10:34] <geirha> greenmang0: I'm guessing your iterm2 uses a font that lacks the symbols for those unicode quote characters
[10:34] <broglin> I updated the kernel in ubuntu 12.04 today from the official repos to 3.13.0-32-generic and I am getting references to "kernel BUG" in my syslog, and my machine has frozen hard several times today. Is this kernel known to be faulty?
[10:34] <ElMaestro> am two days old in ubuntu, how do i install hardinfo?
[10:34] <Abhijit> ElMaestro, sudo apt-get install hardinfo?
[10:34] <cfhowlett> ElMaestro, in 9.10??"? can't.  no longer supported
[10:34] <geirha> greenmang0: If so, the real fix is to switch to a monospaced font that does have those symbols
[10:34] <Kira9204> ElMaestro: that, or via software center
[10:35] <Kira9204> for a more user friendly approach
[10:35] <greenmang0> geirha: i am on mac, using default font -  monaco - which is monospaced, not sure if i can use gnome-term or uxterm on mac
[10:35] <anton02> is there anything wrong with running live ubuntu off a usb drive regularly?
[10:35] <broglin> greenmang0: you can change the font
[10:36] <cfhowlett> anton02, not wrong - just inefficient
[10:36] <anton02> cfhowlett: why inefficient?
[10:36] <Kira9204> w8,, iw ElMaestro using 9.10??
[10:36] <ElMaestro> "couldnt find package hardinfo"
[10:36] <frib> i can't get bluetooth to work in 14.04 LTS can anyone help pls? thx
[10:36] <cynicallemon> anton02, no problem at all
[10:36] <broglin> fricking firefox keeps crashing :-(
[10:36] <frib> it used to work in ubuntu 12 though -- is it broken now?
[10:37] <cfhowlett> ElMaestro, and you won't .  the 9.10 repos are no more.  9.10 is unsupported.
[10:37] <Kira9204> ElMaestro: what version are you on?
[10:37] <cynicallemon> anton02, usb drive is slower than a spinning hard drive or SSD
[10:37] <ElMaestro> now i get it, that y u r saying i first upgrade to 10.04
[10:38] <cfhowlett> ElMaestro, note: 10.04 is also end of life.  12.04 is still active
[10:38] <ElMaestro> 9.10
[10:38] <Kira9204> hardinfo is present in 10.04, altho oäim not sure if the repository is still avaiöable
[10:38] <greenmang0> geirha: switched to Ubuntu Mono, didn't help
[10:38] <glcheetham> Hi again, I still can't figure out why my mail server will send but not receieve, ubuntu 14.04/postfix/dovecot
[10:38] <anton02> cynicallemon: well how do i load OS into RAM?
[10:38] <cynicallemon> ElMaestro, forget upgrading if your 9.10 install is two days old, just go and install 14.04
[10:39] <Kira9204> ElMaestro: you should really consider upgrading to 14.04
[10:39] <glcheetham> I can however send mail to addresses on the same domain as the server
[10:39] <stevenm> Kira9204, yeah you get that after you install it
[10:40] <ElMaestro> Its what I want to do, but am scared of having to loose my ethernet network config, its taken me 2 days just to get static IPs functional
[10:40] <anton02> ElMaestro: you mean lose
[10:40] <geirha> greenmang0: Hm. Very odd.
[10:40] <ElMaestro> yes, lose
[10:41] <glcheetham> ElMaestro, static ips are reasonably easy to set up and you will leave yourself open to security vulns by not upgrading
[10:41] <anton02> an example of a setence with 'loose': i have loose shoe laces
[10:41] <mishravikas> Hi everyone am using ubuntu 12.04 and it keeps on freezing frequently, can anyone help me out in finding the problem please?
[10:41] <glcheetham> mishravikas: what graphics drivers are you using, if any? What card do you have?
[10:42] <ElMaestro> had tried following a tutorial which ended up "ifupdown(eth0) device not managed" on sys tray
[10:43] <Ben64> ElMaestro: install 14.04, then come back here for instructions on static ips or whatever else you want to do
[10:43] <ElMaestro> but how will I access internet when I will not know how to configure network connections?
[10:44] <glcheetham> ElMaestro: Ubuntu 14.04 has gui tools
[10:44] <cynicallemon> ElMaestro, network manager
[10:44] <Ben64> it should work with a dynamic ip
[10:44] <cfhowlett> ElMaestro, as I suggested to you previously: note your current settings
[10:45] <ElMaestro> am upgrading to 10.04 first as cfhwolett suggested
[10:45] <glcheetham> ElMaestro: A fresh install is a better idea.
[10:46] <geirha> greenmang0: If you copy/paste the following character into your iterm2, does it show up as _ still?  -->  ‘  <--
[10:46] <mishravikas> glcheetham: sorry I got disconnected did you get my last msg?
[10:46] <intx> hehe np
[10:46] <glcheetham> mishravikas: no, could you send it again?
[10:46] <mishravikas> glcheetham: It shows "AMD Radeon HD 8600M Series " under graphics tab in system details
[10:47] <Ben64> ElMaestro: didn't you say you just installed? 2 days ago?
[10:47] <glcheetham> mishravikas: and have you installed graphics card drivers yet?
[10:47] <ElMaestro> yes, and just got the network config this morning!!
[10:48] <Ben64> ElMaestro: then don't bother with upgrading. install 14.04
[10:48] <geirha> greenmang0: may be the terminal emulator and the shell on ubuntu are using different encodings
[10:48] <ElMaestro> my 9.10 is side by side with windows 7, is this a factor?
[10:49] <Ben64> no
[10:49] <mishravikas> glcheetham: under additional drivers I can see this https://i.imgur.com/hCPAwXM.png does it mean I have the drivers?
[10:50] <cfhowlett> !dualboot| ElMaestro
[10:51] <glcheetham> mishravikas: yes that means you have the drivers, but you are using the experimental ones. Can you remove them and try installing one that isn't experimental? If not, jsut install the one you have now again and we'll try to see if something else is making your system lag
[10:51] <cynicallemon> ElMaestro, you can chose what partition ubuntu gets installed onto or have a side by side install with another OS
[10:51] <mishravikas> glcheetham: how do I remove this one and install the one which is not experimental?
[10:52] <glcheetham> mishravikas: click remove and install it again
[10:53] <mishravikas> glcheetham: ok am on it
[10:53] <ni891667> hiii
[10:53] <cynicallemon> glcheetham, with your postfix problem, have you opened a port on your firewall to accept smtp traffic?
[10:53] <cfhowlett> ElMaestro, at the partitioning stage: take your time, read carefully and manually configure the installation. most importantly, select your current 9.10 partition as the target for your 10.04 OS
[10:53] <darksider> does anyone know how to enable root login thru SSH in ubuntu 14?
[10:54] <ElMaestro> yes, <cfhowlett>, thats what i will do
[10:54] <cynicallemon> darksider, dont allow root login
[10:54] <geirha> darksider: set up host based authentication
[10:55] <ElMaestro> while installing this? what do i set as mount points for my current Win7 partition?
[10:55] <cfhowlett> ElMaestro, WHOA!
[10:55] <ObrienDave> ElMaestro, DONT touch those
[10:55] <cfhowlett> ElMaestro, do NOT TOUCH that windows stuff.  don't mount, don't look at ti
[10:55] <mishravikas_> glcheetham: I remove it and now I have option to activate it, but how do I install a new driver and not just activate this one?
[10:56] <glcheetham> cynicallemon: Yeah my router has all the ports I need open
[10:56] <cfhowlett> ElMaestro, I explicitly told you: 9.10 ubuntu partition is the target for 10.04 ubuntu partition
[10:56] <darksider> cynicallemon: the computer is not accessible from outside the LAN
[10:56] <gewoonm> hi all, on my private network I get different fingerprints for my SSH server. Any clues?
[10:56] <darksider> so no real risk
[10:57] <ElMaestro> ok, got it
[10:57] <glcheetham> mishravikas_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/AMD
[10:58] <darksider> do you guys know how to mount drives on first access in fstab?
[10:58] <darksider> i get errors mounting them at boot time
[10:58] <darksider> but no problem doing it after login
[10:59] <ElMaestro> the iso has finished installing, do i have to burn to CD or can i mount it virtually or something?
[10:59] <Ben64> cfhowlett: why are you suggesting 10.04? that is no longer supported either
[10:59] <cfhowlett> Ben64, I know, trying to get him to 12.04 from 9.10
[11:00] <Ben64> why not just install 14.04 and be good until 2019
[11:00] <cfhowlett> ElMaestro, the image file is the software source.  use the link I sent you earlier
[11:00] <cfhowlett> Ben64, cuz he's scared to lose his network ... and he likes pain.  We did suggest it, but ...
[11:01] <Ben64> this isn't going to end well
[11:01] <cynicallemon> Ben64, it might but the odds are against it
[11:02] <Ben64> its a fresh 9.10 install. trash that and install 14.04 for best results. static ip is not required for accessing just about any internet
[11:02] <Ben64> plus that is easily configurable using graphical tools after installation
[11:02] <cfhowlett> Ben64, ElMaestro note the above.  your choice.
[11:03] <cynicallemon> 10.04 > 12.04 > 14.04 - 3x more trouble and ways to fail
[11:04] <Kira9204> ElMaestro: get 14.04 and come back
[11:05] <Kira9204> you have the network manager during the installation just as you have now
[11:05] <Kira9204> note your setting, and them replicate them
[11:06] <gewoonm> in my private network, Cyberduck gives a fingerprint ending in :63 over SFTP, while both normal SSH and running "ssh-keygen -lf" give back a fingerprint ending in :66
[11:06] <cynicallemon> also no guarantee that settings in 9.10 will make it to 14.04 ok
[11:06] <Kira9204> i always do clean installt
[11:07] <Kira9204> *installs
[11:08]  * cfhowlett thinks this will be a valuable learning experience
[11:18] <frib> does anyone know how to fix bluetooth in ubuntu 14.04?
[11:19] <JeSauce> Hey guys, I'm using ubuntu 12.04, im getting libudev.so.1 missing message, any idea how can I install it?
[11:20] <thys> so the security has been breached on my commercial webserver found a bunch of scriptkiddy stuff in a old joomla site which had to liberal permission. He uploaded the stuff two days ago and seemed to aim for elevating privileges. They files are deleted and the permissions are set lower @644. What else should I look for?
[11:21] <cfhowlett> !server| tjus
[11:21] <thys> so the security has been breached on my commercial webserver found a bunch of scriptkiddy stuff in a old joomla site which had to liberal permission. He uploaded the stuff two days ago and seemed to aim for elevating privileges. They files are deleted and the permissions are set lower @644. What else should I look for?
[11:22] <cfhowlett> thys, ask in#ubuntu-server
[11:22] <cfhowlett> or ##linux
[11:22] <thys> oh sorry, I did not mean to post twice. I'm not thinking straight
[11:22] <Kira9204> JeSauce: do you have a libudev.so.0 or just .so?
[11:23] <JeSauce> Kira9204: I've a libudev.so.0
[11:23] <JeSauce> but no libudev.so.1
[11:23] <Kira9204> JeSauce: ok, then symlink 0 to or or copy it
[11:23] <Kira9204> sudo ln -sf /lib/$(arch)-linux-gnu/libudev.so.1 /lib/$(arch)-linux-gnu/libudev.so.0
[11:23] <zagaza> hi guys, what other priveleges can I give a user except for ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL ? is there any way I can restrict a user to only be able to access a folder and its subdirs?
[11:24] <Kira9204> oh w8 that might be the other way around
[11:24] <JeSauce> Kira9204: you mean symlink libudev.so.0 to libudev.so.1
[11:24] <Kira9204> JeSauce: yes
[11:24] <Kira9204> that should solve it
[11:24] <JeSauce> Kira9204: tried it, it keeps throwing exceptions when I try to run popcorntime
[11:25] <JeSauce> Kira9204: its kind of required for new release of popcorntime
[11:25] <Kira9204> JeSauce: there are no packuages for it? there should be a guide
[11:26] <Kira9204> JeSauce: what is it complaining about after the symlinkm
[11:26] <Dickens> good AM everyone..
[11:26] <JeSauce> Kira9204: No, all articles are about missing libudev.so.0 and in my case its the otherway, I've libudev.so.1 missin
[11:27] <JeSauce> missing*
[11:27] <Dickens> does Ubuntu Desktop have a built in dhcp server it uses for Inernet Connection sharing, or do I need to set up dhcpd and iptables and all that jazz
[11:27] <Kira9204> DementedShaman: it has a built in one
[11:28] <Dickens> i'm assuming you mean Dickens?
[11:28] <adminewb> (trusty/unity) is there a term for keeping multiple unity desktops active at once for different logins? where you can switch between, using Ctrl-Alt-Fx for 7<=x<=9 or so... ?
[11:28] <mishravikas> glcheetham: am installing this http://support.amd.com/ja-jp/kb-articles/Pages/latest-linux-beta-driver.aspx  is this the right one?
[11:28] <JeSauce> Kira9204: woah! tried it again now it worked
[11:28] <JeSauce> woohoo
[11:28] <JeSauce> thanks alot Kira9204
[11:28] <Kira9204> no prob :D
[11:28] <gewoonm> So I guess no SSH-experts here? :)
[11:29] <Dickens> kira9204: i'm assuming that answer was directed at me?
[11:29] <Dickens> gewoonm I know how to use SSH but not sure i'd be called an "expert" what issue are you having?
[11:30] <Kira9204> Dickens: just set he connection to shared and whola, cobnectint computers will get ips autimatically
[11:30] <Dickens> Kira9204: Do you know how many are in it's DHCP pool?
[11:30] <gewoonm> hi Dickens, thanks for thinking with me! The problem is I get different fingerprints from my Ubuntu server
[11:30] <Dickens> your ubuntu server has fingers?
[11:30] <Dickens> o_O
[11:30] <gewoonm> with Cyberduck it ends in :63, with SSH-command in terminal it ends in :66
[11:31] <zagaza> or better yet, how do I set a home directory for a user and make sure they cannot "go back" ?
[11:31] <gewoonm> Dickens :) SSH-fingerprints
[11:31] <Dickens> i know sorry just kidding, i'm thinking
[11:31] <juul> Can anyone tell me why I can't seem to install the i386 version of libraries on my amd64 system? Here's what happens when I try: http://pastebin.com/iw08UFv4
[11:31] <Kira9204> Dickens: not im my head, but if you connect one computer and take the subnetmask you can easily calculate it
[11:32] <juul> ubuntu 14.04
[11:32] <Dickens> gewoonm, I am inclined to believe that the SSH Fingerprint is client specific and not machine specific but i cant be positive
[11:32] <Kira9204> Dickens: http://www.subnet-calculator.com/
[11:32] <Dickens> thanks kira9204
[11:32] <Dickens> I will take a look
[11:32] <adminewb> my question is about the unity desktop which is suspended, while another one is active on-screen: is it a config default to make all nonactive unity desktops have their apps be unable to run? is there a way to reconfig to have them run normally, even though their windows can't appear on screen until the desktop is reactivated?
[11:32] <juul> gewoonm: what is the problem?
[11:33] <gewoonm> Dickens, I thought the fingerprints are to identify the server, so they should be server-specific
[11:33] <gewoonm> juul: The problem is I get different fingerprints from my Ubuntu server when connecting with different applications
[11:33] <Dickens> gewoonm, I believe it's both
[11:33] <gewoonm> juul: with Cyberduck it ends in :63, with SSH-command in terminal it ends in :66
[11:34] <Kira9204> genial: SSH keys are user specific
[11:34] <Dickens> ah
[11:34] <Dickens> perhaps cyberduck is running as a different user?
[11:35] <Dickens> i dunno.. shot in the dark
[11:35] <Dickens> gewoonm, does it prevent you from connecting somehow?
[11:35] <Kira9204> Dickens: you cab always look with htop
[11:35] <gewoonm> Dickens: I'd like to know first if it's a problem
[11:35] <Kira9204> basically a terminal task manager
[11:36] <Dickens> yea you can... or rather gewoonm can
[11:36] <gewoonm> Dickens: before continuing
[11:36] <adminewb> maybe I best rephrase: is it a unity config default to make all nonactive desktops' apps be unable to run? is there a way to reconfig to have them run normally, even though their windows can't appear on screen atm?
[11:36] <Dickens> ummm i dont see how it would be a problem gewoonm
[11:36] <juul> gewoonm: this can happen if one program decides to use one type of encryption and the other uses another type
[11:36] <Dickens> it's really just an ID
[11:36] <juul> gewoonm: the server generally has several keys, e.g. one DSA key, one RSA key and one ECDSA key
[11:37] <backSlasher> I'm looking to chmod +i a currently mounted directory, but using mount --bind doesn't work
[11:37] <Dickens> doesnt mean anything unless you are specifically looking to allow only certain fingerprints
[11:37] <gewoonm> Dickens: yeah, but when connecting remotely, I want to make sure I connect to my own machine, not with MITM (maybe bing paranoid here)
[11:37] <gewoonm> juul: I tried "for k in /etc/ssh/ssh_host*.pub; do ssh-keygen -lf "$k"; done" none list the appropriate fingerprint
[11:37] <Dickens> pretty paranoid it sounds lol...
[11:37] <juul> yeah, having a different fingerprint from what you expect is very concerning
[11:38] <gewoonm> Dickens, Kira9204: what was that about htop?
[11:38] <Dickens> to see if a program is running as a different user gewoonm
[11:38] <Dickens> perhaps cyberduck has it's own local user or something
[11:38] <juul> gewoonm: none match cyberduck or none match ssh command's fingerprint?
[11:39] <Dickens> i think the fingerprint you'rew seeing is the client end and not server end
[11:39] <gewoonm> juul: one of them (the RSA one) is matching the ssh-terminal-command fingerprint. Cyberduck doesn't match with any
[11:39] <Dickens> i.e. cyberduck's fingerprint (or whatever user it's running as), but I could be wrong
[11:39] <Dickens> thats cuz it has it's own
[11:39] <Kira9204> gewoonm: you can use it to watch wich user owns what process
[11:40] <gewoonm> Kira9204, Dickens: I checked, I'm the owner of all processes
[11:41] <juul> gewoonm: it could simply be that cyberduck uses sha-1 while ssh uses md5
[11:41] <juul> gewoonm: or the other way around
[11:41] <Dickens> also perhaps cyberduck isnt using the same encryption
[11:41] <Dickens> you could set your server to only allow RSA fingerprints or something
[11:41] <Dickens> so you cant connect any other way
[11:41] <juul> gewoonm: for the fingerprinting
[11:42] <gewoonm> juul, Dickens: how do I find out the sha-1 or md5 version of the fingerprint?
[11:42] <adminewb> when one runs a terminal emulator window with multiple shells/tabs, it would be considered abnormal if only the shell processes for the tab currently on-screen were allowed to run... yes? it appears that unity desktops behave abnormally, in that sense
[11:43] <adminewb> am I making sense?
[11:44] <Dickens> gewoonm, i think if it's a 32byte key it's standard md5
[11:44] <greenmang0> geirha: nope, it shows up as a question mark
[11:44] <juul> gewoonm: sha1sum <filename> and md5sum <filename>
[11:44] <Dickens> if it's 40bytes it's SHA1
[11:45] <Dickens> could be wrong tho
[11:45] <geirha> greenmang0: then you have a mismatch between the terminal emulator's (iterm2) encoding and the shell's
[11:45] <gewoonm> juul: but what should I checksum? The id_rsa key?
[11:45] <geirha> greenmang0: make sure iterm2 uses utf8
[11:45] <greenmang0> geirha: iterm's encoding is set to UTF8
[11:46] <juul> gewoonm: /etc/ssh/ssh_host* on the server
[11:46] <greenmang0> how do I check shell's encoding?
[11:46] <juul> the pub keys
[11:46] <geirha> run locale
[11:46] <gewoonm> juul: they both give different answers, but nothing "familiar", nothing that looks like a fingerprint
[11:47] <Dickens> i'm looking stuff up
[11:47] <juul> gewoonm: they won't include the colon separators but otherwise they should be the same
[11:47] <greenmang0> geirha: locale on trusty host - http://paste.ubuntu.com/7988181/
[11:48] <Dickens> gewoonm can you share the keys for each client for me?
[11:48] <Dickens> as well as the server key
[11:49] <adminewb> I must be speaking Greek, without knowing it
[11:49] <Dickens> there's a SHA1 to MD5 converter and vice versa and I'm curious to see if they translate to the same
[11:49] <juul> gewoonm: nevermind, i'm wrong
[11:49] <Dickens> adminewb, we're helping other ppl please hold
[11:49] <adminewb> k
[11:50] <Dickens> adminewb, not sure what your question is?
[11:50] <juul> gewoonm: but is the cyberduck fingerprint 32 or 40 bytes?
[11:50] <Dickens> are you saying you can only run a program when the terminal is open?
[11:50] <adminewb> Dickens, that may be because I'm misinterpreting what's happening
[11:51] <Dickens> possibly i dunno
[11:51] <Dickens> cant really understand the question lol
[11:51] <geirha> greenmang0: And there's nothing else involved inbetween? like tmux or screen?
[11:51] <adminewb> to appearances though, it seems that unity will allow only processes from the desktop on screen to run
[11:51] <adminewb> desktops on other virtual graphical terminals behave like they're in suspended animation
[11:51] <Dickens> i dont think that is true
[11:52] <adminewb> ok
[11:52] <Dickens> perhaps it's not drawing the changes?
[11:52] <Dickens> like i can download torrent sin the background while IRCing
[11:52] <Dickens> and i have firefox running in background too and it still gets my emails
[11:52] <Dickens> so i can see it's actually doing something
[11:52] <adminewb> well I have multiple unity desktops going at once, different logins
[11:53] <Dickens> ah so you're running each process as a different user?
[11:53] <geirha> greenmang0: Oh and if you open a new iterm and run locale, does your OSX system also have utf-8 set?
[11:53] <greenmang0> geirha: oh, yeah, tmux
[11:53] <gewoonm> juul, Dickens: I can share the fingerprints with no issues, right?
[11:53] <adminewb> each desktop is a different user
[11:53] <Dickens> gewoonm what do you mean?
[11:53] <Dickens> gewoonm you can paste it here without issue... sure
[11:53] <Dickens> or rather pastebin
[11:53] <Dickens> we cant use your keys since they are randomly generated
[11:54] <adminewb> one desktop is primarily to run a wine/win32 app on a wine virtual desktop which takes up full screen
[11:54] <greenmang0> geirha: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7988217/
[11:54] <gewoonm> juul, Dickens: check: serverkey is: c7:af:49:ef:f7:9e:a7:64:75:fd:39:dd:17:50:cd:66       Cyberduck claims it is: 61:10:f2:34:c5:7b:ea:34:7e:a7:a0:44:a4:c9:68:63
[11:54] <Dickens> adminewb i've never done that before so I dont know, but I think it should be able to run
[11:54] <adminewb> ok Dickens
[11:54] <Dickens> gewoonm i'll check
[11:54] <adminewb> it may be some quirk of how a certain wine app behaves while it's on an off-screen unity desktop
[11:55] <gewoonm> juul, Dickens: since I use passwordless login, I also checked if maybe Cyberduck reports the fingerprint of my own RSA-key, but no. That has a completely different fingerprint.
[11:55] <geirha> greenmang0: LC_CTYPE=C  that might cause some conflict
[11:56] <adminewb> thanks for the info
[11:56] <Rohan_m> how to pass argument to nmap ?
[11:56] <darksider> question: I have a service running at startup, i used: update-rc.d -f plexmediaserver remove, but it still tries to start it
[11:56] <darksider> any ideas?
[11:57] <Rohan_m> how to pass argument to nmap ? through shell script
[11:58] <juul> gewoonm: I think it is likely that cyberduck is miscalculating
[11:59] <gewoonm> juul: that's weird
[12:00] <Dickens> gewoonm, check out https://forums.vandyke.com/showthread.php?t=10773
[12:01] <Dickens> it's a script that will output sha1 and md5 of the ssh_host_rsa_key.pub
[12:01] <juul> gewoonm: are you connecting from the same computer?
[12:01] <Dickens> seems really simple to copy and paste in to gedit or whatever editor you want and run it
[12:01] <Dickens> just a shell script
[12:01] <greenmang0> geirha: what should I set it to? en_US.UTF-8 ?
[12:02] <Dickens> juul he is
[12:02] <Dickens> i just realized my sha1 to md5 caluclator doesnt really work the way i thought
[12:02] <juul> gewoonm: with the two pieces of software? and if not, are the two pieces of software using the same internet connection? could one be using IPv4 and another IPv6? if so, could the DNS entries for IPv4 and IPv6 be different for the server? what if you enter the IPv4 address instead of the hostname when connceting?
[12:03] <Dickens> it can only take a string in plaintext and convert it to those
[12:03] <geirha> greenmang0: Yes, all of them should be that in my opinion (apart from LC_ALL)
[12:03] <Dickens> juul: he's using the same machine and same user account
[12:03] <greenmang0> geirha: what should be the value for LC_ALL?
[12:03] <Dickens> juul, just different clients on the same machine
[12:04] <juul> still, one client may not support ipv6 and the other may prefer it
[12:04] <gewoonm> juul, Dickens: I tried the shell script, still no matching strings
[12:05] <geirha> greenmang0: It should be unset
[12:05] <Dickens> strange
[12:05] <greenmang0> okay
[12:05] <Dickens> i'm at a loss then lol
[12:05] <Dickens> i doint really know much about the keys i must admit
[12:05] <gewoonm> juul: I'm on a local network, entering a 'normal' ip-address
[12:05] <gewoonm> juul: where normal is ipv4
[12:05] <Dickens> i always thought the keys were either machine specific or user specific, so I dont think each client has a different one but perhaps
[12:05] <geirha> greenmang0: You may occationally want to use LC_ALL to force all values to the same locale temporarily, but it should not be set by default.  Just setting LANG=en_US.UTF-8 should suffice.
[12:06] <juul> gewoonm: ok, my bet is on cyberduck mis-implementing the fingerprint calculation. i would open a bug with them
[12:06] <Dickens> gewoonm, if the server key is always the same then you'll know if they are connecting to the right server
[12:06] <greenmang0> geirha: the problem i see is only on that particular system, on other systems things are fine
[12:07] <Dickens> perhaps create a script that displays the server fingerprint when you login
[12:08] <geirha> greenmang0: possibly it's the only system where such commands are localized
[12:08] <gewoonm> juul, Dickens: thanks. I'll file a bug report
[12:08] <greenmang0> geirha: hmm
[12:09] <greenmang0> geirha: is there any such change in trusty you know of?
[12:09] <gewoonm> Dickens: from a paranoid standpoint, that wouldn't work. If the fingerprints don't match, you could have a MITM-attack, so then anything that is displayed back to you could be a lie
[12:09] <adminewb> just noticed that precise 12.04.5 came out; looks like a departure from 12.04.4 in how it's packaged as ISO images and so forth
[12:09] <greenmang0> cause other system i am testing this on is running precise
[12:10] <adminewb> or maybe I'm confused
[12:10] <cfhowlett> adminewb, "departure"??? doubtful that it'll be that significantly differently
[12:11] <geirha> greenmang0: Works fine for me. I also ssh from OSX to Ubuntu often, though I use uxterm, not iterm (can't figure out how to configure iterm to my needs)
[12:11] <adminewb> well it maybe be partway through the publishing scripts, idk
[12:11] <geirha> I use Xquartz as X server, and uxterm I installed via macports
[12:12] <greenmang0> geirha: i also have xquartz, will give a uxterm try, thanks for all the help :)
[12:13] <adminewb> only the *-dvd-<arch> iso's appear, nothing like a *-desktop or *-alternate
[12:14] <adminewb> that's for the cdimage server
[12:14] <darksider> i feel ignored, anyone with ubuntu booting experince, willling to give me an advice? :)
[12:15] <cfhowlett> !patience|darksider,
[12:17] <darksider> cfhowlett: i havent repeated the question quickly, it was 30 mins ago, and i think somebody with average ubuntu experience could give me a hand :). However, thanks for the advice ;)
[12:18] <cfhowlett> darksider, 30 minutes? restate the details please for the new arrivals.  we can only scroll back so far ...
[12:20] <zagaza> how do I change the password for another user? passwd username doesnt work
[12:20] <zagaza> or rather, passwd username changes the password for the logged in user for me
[12:20] <cfhowlett> zagaza, sudo passwd username
[12:20] <zagaza> tried that as well
[12:21] <geirha> zagaza: well it's the right answer, so try it again
[12:21] <cfhowlett> zagaza, Users and Groups         - advanced settings
[12:21] <darksider> cfhowlett: true. I'll briefly explain my problem: I have Ubuntu 14 server running. I installed PlexMediaServer (PMS) and everything works fine. However, I want to move the PMS metadata folder to an USDB harddrive due to space limitations on internal HDD. When I set the metadata folder to the usb HDD, PMS crashes at system bootup.
[12:21] <zagaza> cfhowlett, I am doing it through command line, dont have gui access
[12:22] <cfhowlett> darksider, server?  #ubuntu-server might be better suited to your query
[12:22] <zagaza> nvm it worked, seems I just couldn't access my ftp with that pw for some reason
[12:22] <cfhowlett> darksider, sorry.  everything I know about PMS would be - unhelpful - in this context
[12:23] <darksider> cfhowlett: its just a normal ubuntu with no GUI :).
[12:24] <darksider> cfhowlett: I'm suspecting that the external HDD might not be accessible when the service starts, hence it crashes
[12:24] <cfhowlett> darksider, I've no PMS experience
[12:25] <darksider> cfhowlett: is there a way to stop the service from starting at boot time and start it manually?
[12:25] <ubunt> i can not uninstall libreoffice base
[12:26] <cfhowlett> darksider, yes, but I don't know where/how ... ask THAT exact question
[12:26] <cfhowlett> !details |ubunt,
[12:26] <darksider> tried sudo update-rc.d -f plexmediaserver remove
[12:27] <darksider> but service still tries to start and crashes in flames
[12:27] <darksider> :)
[12:27] <ubunt> how i can to uninstall libreoffice base?
[12:28] <cfhowlett> ubunt sudo apt--get purge libreoffice-base
[12:28] <ObrienDave> sudo apt-get purge libreoffice-base