[00:15] <Unit193> Cheri703: Lubuntu is looking to integrate accessibilty in! (Looking for a liasion now)
[00:18] <Cheri703> ah, nice
[00:18] <Cheri703> go to #ubuntu-accessibility and say that :)
[00:18]  * Cheri703 is moving furniture :)
[00:19] <Unit193> Cheri703: No, not my place! They are going to email the ML
[00:20] <Cheri703> ok
[00:21] <Cheri703> I put the word out in the channel
[00:21] <Unit193> I was just telling you because you're part of that team, not to ask if you want to...
[00:22] <Cheri703> no worries :)
[00:49]  * jgould puts ear plugs in and a blindfold on
[00:50] <Unit193> So we can tolk about him behind his back?
[00:50] <jgould> I have a damn migrane
[00:52] <Unit193> Eh... I heard those are not fun...
[00:52] <jgould> No they aren't...  I have coffee now, so maybe that will help.    Some of the comments are pissing me off.  people do not understand how controlled that indrusty is.    Not much
[01:14] <jgould> :)
[01:16] <jgould> Clark county, and the two north of Clark are under a tornado warning...
[01:17] <jgould> That line is predicted to be near you and Cheri703 within 60 minutes
[01:18] <Unit193> jgould: Sweet! Thanks for the info...
[01:19] <Unit193> Cheri703: Did ya read the email? ;)
[01:19] <jgould> Welcome
[01:35] <Cheri703> which?
[01:35]  * Cheri703 didn't get an email?
[01:35] <Unit193> From Phill Whiteside
[01:35]  * jgould creates dinner
[01:35] <Cheri703> hmm...no?
[01:36]  * Unit193 joins jgould
[01:36] <Unit193> Cheri703: To<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:37] <Cheri703> hmm...I didn't get it
[01:37] <Cheri703> I'm on the list, but...
[01:38] <Unit193> (My list got it by CC )
[01:40] <Unit193> Cheri703: Sure you didn't get it?? https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg03994.html
[01:41] <Cheri703> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-accessibility/2011-May/date.html
[01:41] <Unit193> Might it need approval?
[01:42] <Cheri703> no clue
[01:48] <Unit193> Yes it does
[01:48] <Cheri703> Just hit a minute ago :)
[01:49] <Unit193> Figures...
[01:51] <jgould> damn strms
[01:52] <Unit193> Cheri703: What do you think? Want to try? ;)
[01:53] <Cheri703> haven't read it yet
[01:53] <Unit193> Howdy dmcglone1
[01:53] <dmcglone1> Hi Unit193
[01:53] <dmcglone1> what up?
[01:53] <Unit193> Doctor Who
[01:54] <dmcglone1> Doctor Who, Who?
[01:54] <dmcglone1> ;-)
[01:55] <Unit193> Knock, knock
[01:55] <dmcglone1> Who's there?
[01:55] <Unit193> Doctor
[01:55] <dmcglone1> LOL
[01:56] <dmcglone1> Doctor Who?
[01:56] <Unit193> :D
[01:56] <canthus13> Heh.
[01:56] <canthus13> Always annoys me when they leave you with a cliffhanger. :/
[01:56] <Unit193> I LOVE that one...
[01:56] <dmcglone1> what show canthus13?
[01:56] <Unit193> canthus13: Latest?
[01:57] <dmcglone1> I got one for you Unit193
[01:57] <dmcglone1> a woman got caught stealing a can of peaches
[01:57] <canthus13> the latest Dr. Who episode.
[01:57] <dmcglone1> when she went to court the judge ask her how many peaches were in the can
[01:57] <dmcglone1> the woman replied 8 your honor
[01:58] <dmcglone1> so the judge said, well you are hereby sentenced to 8 days in prison
[01:58] <dmcglone1> then all the sudden her husband jumped up and said, she also stole a can of peas
[01:58] <canthus13> Heh. cute.
[02:00] <Unit193> Looks like we are getting the storm...
[02:00] <dmcglone1> blind man walks into a bar and starts swinging his dog over his head by it's leash
[02:00] <dmcglone1> bartender said "what are you doing" sir
[02:01] <dmcglone1> guy said "ah just looking around"
[02:01] <jgould> "Were those wind speeds estmated or recorded?" "I think the peak was 78 MPH"  (That's not what he asked...)
[02:02] <dmcglone1> ity
[02:02] <dmcglone1> oops
[02:02] <dmcglone1> it's pretty bad here
[02:02] <dmcglone1> I live close to scioto downs and the news just said something about their power lines were knocked down
[02:10] <dmcglone1> A sure sign the recession has hit:
[02:10] <dmcglone1> If the bank returns your check marked "Insufficient Funds," you call them and ask if they meant you or them.
[02:20]  * jgould is hungry
[02:22] <Unit193> "Launchpad bug 784020 in Xubuntu Website "download page lies about disk size requirements" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/784020"
[02:23] <canthus13> Sounds like Xubuntu is hungry, too.
[02:23] <Unit193> canthus13: It's the installer...
[02:23] <jgould> I love the phasing
[02:23] <jgould> er phrasing
[02:23] <Unit193> The ubiquity installer itself sets a hard requirement of 4.4G and Xubuntu is caught in that, the alternative installer should not be impacted by the same limitation, made a note about it on the site and doing some tests.
[02:23] <Unit193> jgould: +1
[02:24] <Unit193> Lubuntu folk found a way around that
[02:32] <jgould> If I mess with my irc.conf file for weechat, that is where things like autoconnecting and what not are, correct (I'm thinking the answer is correct, as that seems to have all of the settings for such things in it...)
[02:34] <dmcglone1> guys I need some help here. where does the comma go in this sentence?
[02:34] <dmcglone1> create a dark cloud over her head so, armed with this information, I
[02:34] <dmcglone1> is it: head, so
[02:34] <canthus13> that's not a sentence.
[02:34] <canthus13> that's a pile of words with 2 commas in it.
[02:34] <dmcglone1> canthus that was part of it
[02:35] <canthus13> Without the entire sentence, it's hard to tell.
[02:35] <dmcglone1> hang on
[02:35] <dmcglone1> Although it wasn't an easy decision, my main concern is the information that will be passed on with her into the next school year which may create a dark cloud over her head so, armed with this information, I plan to work with Amy during the summer break, and will make sure I do everything I can to see her to succeed in the 4th grade.
[02:35] <canthus13> Hmm...
[02:36] <dmcglone1> should I put the comma after "head" or after "so"
[02:36] <dmcglone1> I'm pretty sure it would be after "so"
[02:37] <canthus13> I'd put a semicolon between head and so
[02:37]  * jgould agrees with canthus13
[02:37] <dmcglone1> I agree
[02:37] <canthus13> leave the comma after so.
[02:37] <Cheri703> I would put a period after head, and start the new sentence with Armed
[02:37] <dmcglone1> I've been freakin 20 years since I've had to sit down and write!
[02:38] <Cheri703> otherwise, that's a LONG sentence
[02:38] <canthus13> Probably the better way to go.
[02:38] <dmcglone1> true Cheri703
[02:38] <jgould> Hmm.. Good Point, Cheri703
[02:38]  * jgould is a writer
[02:38] <dmcglone1> Thanks, I'll take Cheri703 advise
[02:39] <canthus13> dmcglone1: Just write 'Don't be messin' wit my kid.   BRB
[02:41] <dmcglone1> Well sent that E-Mail off
[02:43] <dmcglone1> If y'all's wondering what that was about, the school is wanting to hold Amy back, because they think she's not ready for 4th grade because she has poor organisation skills but yet she gets good grades
[02:43] <jgould> Sweet!
[02:43] <Unit193> jgould: Bad timing
[02:43] <jgould> Ive never had good organization skills... you should look at my house
[02:43] <jgould> LOL Unit193
[02:43] <jgould> dmcglone1: the sweet was because my settings worked, not becasue of what you said
[02:44] <dmcglone1> they think that because next year she will be switching between 4 different classes, she will not succeed
[02:44] <jgould> Actually, I take that back.  I'm organized, just not in a way that makes sense to most people
[02:44] <dmcglone1> yeah I figured that one jgould :-)
[02:45] <dmcglone1> exactly jgould
[02:45] <dmcglone1> everyone has their own system
[02:45]  * jgould is a pile person... But I can usually find what I need in the pile
[02:45] <dmcglone1> the damn school trying to turn all these kids into government drones...     Fruit in space?
[03:14] <paultag> not sure I ever said that
[03:14] <paultag> dmcglone1: oh?
[03:14]  * paultag waves to canthus13
[03:14] <dmcglone1> instead of facebook profitting of you, the poster profits too
[03:14] <itsafork> paultag: thanks! she really is!!
[03:14] <dmcglone1> brb
[03:14] <paultag> No sope radio!!!
[03:14] <paultag> soap, wow
[03:14] <jgould> I wish I had the comptuer to power three monitors...  Perhaps I need to convert this desktop into the primary machine and then use the laptop as a mobile. (especially now that I've figured out rsync...
[03:15] <paultag> dmcglone1: well yeah, but the thing is that FB lets you "repost" easy, leading to content rich pages
[03:15] <paultag> dmcglone1: 98% of what's on reddit are re-posts (at least the popular stuff)
[03:15] <itsafork> jgould: 3 is over kill. only need 2 & more workspaces!!!
[03:15] <paultag> no one is going to repost "feeling depressed and doing drugs"
[03:15] <paultag> they repost "lolcats!!!!"
[03:15] <paultag> which is a repost
[03:16] <jgould> I actually don't use workspaces 2-4...
[03:16] <paultag> jgould: I use all 8 :)
[03:16] <canthus13> Cheri703: Sully has his own facebook fanpage now... and a facebook account.
[03:16] <Cheri703> heh
[03:17] <jgould> (even though I've had mulitple desktops since MacOS 10.4 came out, I've never really used that feature of any OS)
[03:17] <paultag> BRB smoking tobacco outside
[03:18] <canthus13> paultag: eh... You smork?
[03:18] <canthus13> ew.
[03:18] <canthus13> nasty habit.   XD
[03:25] <paultag> canthus13: that's wicked true
[03:25] <paultag> dmcglone1: np :)
[03:25] <paultag> jgould: like new MoBos!
[03:25] <canthus13> jgould: We have more expensive things to spend our money on. :/
[03:25] <dmcglone1> I don't spend my money :-)
[03:25]  * dmcglone1 is smart :-)
[03:26] <canthus13> dmcglone1: Liar. you have girls.
[03:26] <canthus13> There's no way you can avoid spending money.
[03:26] <jgould> exactly.  alhtough, we can get by with older hardware in most cases because we run an OS that works and doesn't take 12GB of ram to run
[03:26] <jgould> canthus13: Heh
[03:27] <jgould> He said *He* doesn't spend his money,  the Mrs. does it for him. :)
[03:28] <dmcglone1> lol canthus13
[03:28] <dmcglone1> here's how spend thrifty I am, I am eating cereal with no milk because I'm out of milk and don't want to buy any
[03:28] <dmcglone1> LOL
[03:28] <jgould> Heh.  I've done that
[03:29] <jgould> Intresting... the unemployment beurau's website returns a 404 error while returning a 404 error
[03:30] <dmcglone1> thats cuz all the techs are unemployeed
[03:30] <dmcglone1> :-/
[03:30] <jgould> Heh
[03:31] <jgould> It also uses Java Server Pages Which is probably running on IIS... I wouldn't trust windows as far a I could throw it
[03:31] <Unit193> It's full of bugs so it would fly right off
[03:31] <canthus13> jgould: Ohio's unemployment site is hopelessly overloaded. It does weird crap all the time.. and their phones have rolled over to sex chat lines when they were swamped before.
[03:32] <jgould> That's why I call right at 8AM if I need to talk to someone
[03:32]  * canthus13 fields complaints about them regularly.
[03:32] <jgould> Downsides of what is actually 'seasonal employment'
[03:33] <paultag> Oh right that reminds me
[03:33] <paultag> thx :)
[03:34] <dmcglone1> My job is safe.
[03:34] <dmcglone1> even more so these days
[03:34] <jgould> Mine is too, I just have a 2 month gap in the winter and a 2 month gap in the summer.
[03:35] <dmcglone1> every time the economy goes bad it sends me more patients... LOL
[03:35] <Cheri703> I need to get more clients :/
[03:35] <dmcglone1> bad economy = more crazy people = more work for me
[03:37] <dmcglone1> for those of you who are thinking what the hell, I work in Home Healthcare
[03:37] <Cheri703> dmcglone1: do you do specialized stuff (like actual nursing cert) or general stuff (no special stuff)
[03:38] <dmcglone1> HHA's give daily care and meds so the nurses don't have to show up as often
[03:38] <Cheri703> hmm...ok
[03:39] <dmcglone1> you don't have to have a nursing cert
[03:40] <dmcglone1> HHA nurses come in once or twice a day and check on heath 26.00/hr
[03:40] <Cheri703> dang
[03:40] <Unit193> Not even STNA?
[03:40] <dmcglone1> HHA's make anywhere from 13 to 15/ hr
[03:40] <Cheri703> I've considered doing that in the past
[03:41] <dmcglone1> Unit193: STNA's are being phased out these days
[03:41] <dmcglone1> everything is now RN's
[03:41] <Unit193> Sometimes you have to take that just to get other stuff...
[03:41] <dmcglone1> not anymore
[03:42] <dmcglone1> OSU doesn't employee STNA's anymore, all of them are RN's
[03:42] <dmcglone1> I'm pretty sure it's not even tought in college anymore
[03:45] <jgould> I know a nurse that is a BSN.  We started calling her a Bull Shit Nurse during the Arnold... Heh (Jokingly of course)
[03:46] <Unit193> dmcglone1: I was talking a requirement to get in the program
[03:47] <dmcglone1> right Unit193, The STNA program isn't a requirement anymore
[03:47] <Unit193> Since when? (Might be the half baked local college crap...)
[03:47] <dmcglone1> It's basically gone these days. it's either RN or nothing
[03:49] <dmcglone1> My wife and a friend of mine worked at OSU and they were studying for their RN, and thats how we found out
[03:50] <dmcglone1> My family also owns a healthcare company
[03:53] <dmcglone1> My friggin life has revolved around healthcare. I started out working in Nursing home's when I was like 15
[03:55]  * Unit193 won't give you a shower
[03:55] <jgould> My grandmother worked for Riverside for 25 years (maybe it was longer than that, I know she retired from Riverside) and my aunt is an RN, so it runs in the family.  On my wife's side, her aunt is an EMT and her uncle is a Firefighter.  So on the whole, some of the conversations around the dinner table dont' even phase me any more... Like when we were eating during the Arnold and three of the nurses
[03:55] <jgould> were talking about thing that they coudn't stand... I'll save you guys the squeemish stuff...
[03:56] <dmcglone1> I feel ya jgould
[03:57] <dmcglone1> after a while you get pretty accustomed to bodily fluids, etc, etc
[03:57] <jgould> Yep
[03:57] <dmcglone1> On the other hand my brother in law passes out when he sees a needle
[03:57] <dmcglone1> LOL
[03:58] <dmcglone1> I really really hate giving shots though
[03:58] <Unit193> I don't like it when they poke me with them...
[03:58] <dmcglone1> and checking sugar
[03:58] <dmcglone1> but it's a job :-/
[03:59]  * canthus13 knew a girl in college that fainted if you *said* needle.
[03:59] <dmcglone1> dang
[03:59] <canthus13> Of course, she fainted all the time...
[03:59] <jgould> wow
[03:59] <canthus13> very low blood pressure.
[03:59] <canthus13> We got used to catching her and putting her feet up.
[03:59] <dmcglone1> thats crazy
[04:01] <canthus13> Yeah.. it'd freak people out when we were out in public.
[04:01] <jgould> Hmm... What movie to watch
[04:01] <canthus13> jgould: Clockwork Orange
[04:02] <dmcglone1> I went to Devry and I ended up in healthcare, I got my A+ about 10 year ago to try and transition out of healthcare and that hasn't even happened
[04:02] <dmcglone1> jgould: planes trains and automobils. it's hillarious
[04:03] <jgould> I don't have either one of those
[04:05] <dmcglone1> Chevy Chase and Dan Akroid and John Candy in that movie. so damn funny
[04:05] <dmcglone1> It's a pretty old movie
[04:05] <jgould> Hmm... I can't play a DVD :(
[04:06] <dmcglone1> or Jack Nicholson in One Flew Over the Coo Coo's Nest
[04:09] <Cheri703> :D Heard from a friend I hadn't heard from in like a month...
[04:09] <jgould> Trying to install an i386 library on a amd64 system: Fail
[04:10] <jgould> Ha! Take that you silly disk
[04:12] <dmcglone1> jgould: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEZv0FUPtcc&feature=related
[04:14] <jgould> eh
[04:14] <jgould> er heh
[04:15] <dmcglone1> thats one of the most hilarious movies I've ever seen
[04:15] <jgould> I've always like Airplane!
[04:15] <dmcglone1> it doesn't show where they go to pick up their trunk and their car burst into flames
[04:16] <dmcglone1> only to find out their wallets are in the car
[04:17] <dmcglone1> another really hilarious movie is A fine mess
[04:18] <dmcglone1> speaking of movies, Jack Nicholson is the best in the biz :-)
[04:19] <dmcglone1> gonna smoke me one more and I'm out
[04:24] <jgould> Intresting... The Software Center says I don't have LibreOffice installed, but I do...
[04:26] <dmcglone1> thats weird
[04:26] <dmcglone1> Well I'm out. bye everyone
[04:26] <dmcglone1> have a good one
[04:26] <jgould> Ngiht dmcglone1
[04:27] <Unit193> jgould: Synaptic? or dpkg -l |grep libreoffice?
[04:29] <jgould> It was just hte launcher type thing that you can open and then open a new indiviual program...  Taht's all it was
[04:59] <Cheri703> kobo just released a new model of e-reader, and tomorrow is the barnes & noble announcement about the nook, hoping the new nook will be awesome and inexpensive
[05:02] <jgould> Cheri703: :D
[05:03] <Cheri703> just need to get UDS reimbursement and then I'll be all set to buy one
[05:03] <Cheri703> (no idea when that will show up)
[05:03] <Cheri703> :/
[05:03] <jgould> You get reimbursed for going to UDS?
[05:04] <Cheri703> you get meals reimbursed when they're not provided (dinners)
[05:05] <jgould> ah
[05:05] <Cheri703> I had some money left over from what was set aside for the trip, though I've spent some of that. With what's left, and what's getting reimbursed, I'm buying an e reader
[05:06] <Cheri703> hoping it comes soon...
[05:07] <Cheri703> forms are due by 6/15, so I'm not sure if turning it in early (sent mine last week) will get the reimbursement sooner, or if they'll process all of the payments after
[05:10] <canthus13> bah. fecking financial aid was denied because my wife defaulted... on 2 freaking dollars.
[05:10] <Cheri703> :( :(
[05:11] <canthus13> a freaking rounding error. :/
[05:16] <jgould> That sucks, canthus13
[05:28] <jgould> canthus13: do you shut down your system rather than suspend it?
[05:35] <jgould> Heh,  I just remotly ejected a disc on the primary server and the dog's head snapped up and looked into the kitchen where the server sits...
[05:48] <Unit193> jgould: I don't think you will ever get that answer...
[05:48] <jgould> Maybe not, Unit193
[05:53] <jgould> Hmm... I think my blood sugar is dropping...
[05:55] <Cheri703> heh, mine is too...just got a granola bar
[06:01]  * jgould grabs a bowl of frosted flakes
[06:03] <Unit193> Cheri703: Working on your bio and/or wiki? (Got email about Derath missing his chance)
[06:03] <Cheri703> :/ yeah, I have to work on that
[06:03] <Cheri703> I am not so good at writing stuff about myself
[06:04] <Unit193> You saw mine... That's all I could com up with (NO idea what else to put)...
[06:05] <Cheri703> I need to finish a few projects first :) then I can put them up
[06:12]  * jgould enjoys his frosted flakes
[06:14] <Cheri703> http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2011/05/24/the-most-awesome-mobile-food-truck-of-all-time-the-grillenium-falcon-pic/
[07:30] <Cheri703> is it weird to email the list at 2:30am? Oh well, already did :)
[07:30] <jgould> Heh
[07:30] <Unit193> I'll read it (and half the rest on IRC)
[07:31] <Cheri703> ?
[07:31] <Cheri703> (and half the rest on IRC)  ?
[07:34] <Unit193> Half the people on IRC are up late (Even if they don't speak)
[07:36] <Cheri703> ahh, o,k
[07:36] <Cheri703> *ok
[07:37]  * Unit193 hasn't seen BiosElement....
[07:49] <jgould> Taht's true Unit193
[07:50] <jgould> we are a group that is up late
[07:50]  * Unit193 shouldn't be...
[07:52] <jgould> Neither should I
[07:54] <Unit193> You seem to be up ALL night... I'm just up 'til about 4
[07:55] <Unit193> I need to get Kubuntu back installed again...
[07:57] <jgould> My schedule has flipped from when I was working to my natrual sleep cycle
[08:11] <jgould> I love being able to work on three diffrent machines without changing my work location
[08:29]  * jgould is sleepy
[08:33] <jgould> Night everyone
[08:33] <Unit193> Have a good rest
[09:11] <jgould> bah... can't sleep
[09:13] <Unit193> Haha!
[09:13] <jgould> :P
[09:14] <jgould> I tried.  Couldn't get comfortable or fall asleep
[09:15] <Unit193> My turn to try...
[09:18] <Unit193> Alright! See you later (today)!
[09:18] <jgould> Later
[09:19] <jgould> I hope you have better luck than I do
[09:19] <Unit193> I will on that part (I'm just about brain dead...)
[11:27] <jgould> hmm intresting...  if I'm in the Mac OS, I don't have write premissions on my NFS exports
[13:59] <Derath-Srvr> Don't think I missed my chance, if someone really wanted me up there, I would have been nominated :)
[14:09] <paultag> Derath-Srvr: wrrrrong!
[14:09] <paultag> Derath-Srvr: No one has ever nominated anyone else in Ohio
[14:09] <paultag> it's a balsy move right now
[14:09] <paultag> if you wanted it, you should have gone for it
[14:11]  * Derath-Srvr shrugs
[14:11] <Derath-Srvr> Sorry, but that's how I feel about it...
[14:14] <Derath-Srvr> I wouldn't normally nominate myself for much of anything, but I'll accept or deny nominations based on whether I would want to do it in the first place...
[14:14] <Derath-Srvr> but that's just me
[14:21]  * jgould is not sure what thinks of KDE
[14:22]  * Derath-Srvr likes KDE
[14:22] <jgould> I installed it in a VM to play wiht
[14:24] <Derath-Srvr> it's my normal desktop... slightly modified, I changed the app launcher to the old style (win2k like, rather than the xp/vista look), a custom superkaramba, and a script that fetches an image for my wallpaper
[14:25] <Derath-Srvr> And added a couple widgets (folderview, quickfolder [I think that's what it's called], and the shutdown/lock buttons
[14:27] <jgould> I can't get Kontact to pull my mail down from Gmail...
[14:28] <Derath-Srvr> Dunno that one... I use t-bird
[14:29] <Derath-Srvr> and I think kmail is the kde mail client, kontact I think is just the address book
[14:33] <thafreak> So I have this vps in chicago with unmetered 10mbit connection...
[14:33] <thafreak> got me thinking...
[14:34] <thafreak> I could have it proxy everything to my house on a weird port...and no one would know
[14:34] <thafreak> So I set up an experiment...
[14:34] <thafreak> I have php running in fast-cgi mode at my house...and I have the vps in chicago connected to it via stunnel, so it's ssl encrypted
[14:35] <thafreak> and the webserver on the vps can actually use the php process from my basement...
[14:35] <thafreak> definately worth the $2/month...
[14:36] <paultag> fast-cgi rules
[14:36] <paultag> thafreak: whoh, that's kinda a badass idea
[14:37] <thafreak> luckily, i get about 36ms ping between my house and the chicago vps...so it's actually somewhat responsive
[14:37] <paultag> thafreak: you could actually make that transparent if you replaced the php-cgi binary with php-cgi.real, and added the remote instance dealo in the php-cgi
[14:37] <paultag> thafreak: that's badass
[14:38] <paultag> I'd love to try that with CPU intensive scripts and a few local machines
[14:38] <thafreak> Now if this hosting company could just hire enough people to keep up with requests for new vps's...I'd be really happy
[14:38] <paultag> ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>php-cgi
[14:38] <paultag> thafreak: :)
[14:38] <thafreak> nah, don't bother with ssh...
[14:39] <thafreak> use stunnel
[14:39] <paultag> mm
[14:39] <thafreak> it can do certificate verification to only allow certain clients to connect
[14:39] <_bbb_> which company
[14:39] <thafreak> w2servers is the vps hosting provider
[14:40] <thafreak> I ordered one vps...played with it a bit, then ordered 2 more...the 2 more haven't been set up yet (almost a week and a half later)
[14:40] <paultag> dang
[14:41] <thafreak> yeah...and they have a policy...don't spam the ticket system...or they'll cancel your accounts
[14:41] <thafreak> otherwise I'd keep pinging them like what the hell...
[14:41] <paultag> thafreak: these dudes sound odd
[14:42] <thafreak> I hope they atleast adjust the renewal date to be 1 year from when they actually provision my instnaces, and not the 1 year from when I paid
[14:42] <_bbb_> no vps for you    come back two weeks
[14:42] <paultag> thafreak: for sure
[14:42] <thafreak> they're charging $2-$3/month (if you pay 1 year at a time), and unmetered bandwidth...
[14:43] <paultag> thafreak: this sounds like a scam
[14:43] <thafreak> they're getting tons of orders...mostly fraudaulent and malicious people
[14:43] <paultag> thafreak: that's too fucking good
[14:43] <paultag> how much is in the vps cpu/ram side?
[14:43] <thafreak> 512mb of ram
[14:43] <thafreak> 1 cpu
[14:43] <thafreak> 1.33ghz equivalent
[14:44] <thafreak> they stopped taking paypal orders because aparently malicious users liked using paypal
[14:44] <paultag> what the shit
[14:44] <paultag> that's pretty boss
[14:44] <thafreak> Think about it though...if you were a blackhat...
[14:45] <thafreak> I think most are only $6/month if you do month to month...
[14:45] <thafreak> set up a phony paypal, buy a server for amonth, launch attacks against AWS accounts...then take those over...
[14:46] <thafreak> it's gotta be tough to sort through who's legit and who's not...
[14:46] <thafreak> I mean take me for example...I have a business and a legitimate need...BUT, my website is a "coming soon" thing, and has been like that for years...
[14:47] <thafreak> I'd seem shady if you didn't know me
[14:48] <jgould> I don't know you, therefore you don't exist.  :)
[14:48] <thafreak> but honestly, I really have no need for a legitimate website right now...I don't want new customers yet
[14:49] <paultag> thafreak: you seem shady and I know you
[14:50] <paultag> thafreak: you should see how much bandwidth they actually let you suck up
[14:50] <paultag> thafreak: run a torrent client and seed all the Ubuntu ISOs
[14:51] <Derath-Srvr> hehe
[14:53] <Cheri703> Nook announcement event starts in 8 minutes! watching live blogging of it
[14:53] <Cheri703> SUPER excited :D
[14:53] <Derath-Srvr> Okay, can I get a brief of what's happening with that? I've heard that it's happening, but not what it is
[14:54] <_bbb_> slow new day? =P
[14:54] <thafreak> wait...what about nook?
[14:54] <Cheri703> this is the ONLY leak that I've seen (I've been checking) and it was last night: http://news.cnet.com/tipster-new-nook-is-the-simple-touch-reader/8301-17938_105-20065525-1.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=Crave&dlvrit=140907
[14:54] <Cheri703> so we'll see how accurate it is
[14:55] <Cheri703> I think it sounds great so far
[14:55] <Cheri703> (at least based on the leak
[14:55] <Cheri703> )
[14:55] <Cheri703> live blog: http://news.cnet.com/b-n-gets-set-to-launch-new-nook-live-blog/8301-17938_105-20065406-1.html
[14:56] <thafreak> so it's just an ereader?
[14:56] <Cheri703> yeah, update of the original nook
[14:56] <Cheri703> which is exactly what I want
[14:56] <Cheri703> I want e-ink, NOT lcd
[14:57] <Cheri703> "just an ereader" HA, nothing "JUST" about it! ;)
[14:57] <thafreak> will it support google's book store though, or is it B&N only?
[14:57] <thafreak> Wow, you're really excited Cheri703!
[14:58] <Cheri703> hehe
[14:58] <Cheri703> no idea on the book store
[14:58] <Cheri703> I am excited thafreak
[14:58] <_bbb_> e-ink should boost battery life no?
[14:58] <Cheri703> I have a lot of ebooks / pdfs that I want to read, but I can't read for more than 20 minutes on computer screen without major headaches
[14:58] <Cheri703> _bbb_: hopefully
[14:59] <Cheri703> it won't (according to the article) have the mini-lcd at the bottom, so hoping for better battery
[14:59] <Cheri703> the new kobo reader was announced yesterday too
[15:00] <Cheri703> I don't need a tablet (at least not at this point), my phone and netbook have me covered, so the nook color is NOWHERE on my list. I want something I can READ on, not play angry birds ;)
[15:01] <thafreak> haha...I got a tablet for angry birds...
[15:02] <thafreak> and to check email from the couch...
[15:02] <_bbb_> which
[15:02] <Cheri703> my netbook does that for me thafreak :)
[15:03] <thafreak> bah, my netbook takes too long to start up
[15:03]  * Cheri703 uses suspend
[15:03] <thafreak> battery dies eventually...
[15:04] <Cheri703> plug is by the couch
[15:04] <thafreak> not like the tablet...sucker will go for days
[15:04] <thafreak> well, the funny thing is, my tablet has a bigger/better screen than my netbook :)
[15:04] <jgould> I keep loosing system functions by using suspend
[15:04] <thafreak> plus it's more of a wife pleaser...I think she'd hate my netbook
[15:05] <thafreak> plus it's crunchbang with an encrypted disk...so it's not the fastest thing in the world
[15:05] <Cheri703> eh, some people love tablets
[15:05] <Cheri703> I don't think I'd really gain much functionality that I'm lacking
[15:06] <Cheri703> it's not a such big gap for me between phone and netbook uses that I need to purchase another device
[15:06] <thafreak> no, I'm not gaining functionality...it's more of a convience thing really...
[15:06] <_bbb_> which tablet
[15:06] <thafreak> i have the acer iconica
[15:06] <jgould> Don't have to wait on the laptop to boot, and you can stil do most of what you do on the comptuer on it
[15:07] <Cheri703> well, thafreak, I mean "usefulness" as far as "situations that it would be significantly better/easier/whatever to NOT pull out the netbook or deal with itty bitty phone screen"
[15:09] <thafreak> yeah, I still check my email on my phone...but I'm considering dumping the android phone...depends on how much I can substitute a wifi only tablet for it
[15:09] <thafreak> I refuse to type emails on the phone though...that's just too painful
[15:09] <Cheri703> I know someone who uses the samsung galaxy tab as her phone completely, just uses speaker or a headset all the time
[15:10] <thafreak> I think my tablet doesn't have bluetooth though surprisingly...
[15:10] <Cheri703> she has a corded one too
[15:10] <Cheri703> the galaxy tab has a spot for a sim though too
[15:10] <jgould> Great if your on a GSM netowrk
[15:10] <Cheri703> yup
[15:10] <thafreak> I was thinking of getting a smaller tablet....i dunno...sometimes I think I have too much crap
[15:11] <jgould> I know I have too much crap
[15:11] <thafreak> this weekend, I was working on laptops for my in-laws company...
[15:11] <thafreak> there were litterally 4 laptops on in my house at the same time...plus my pc in the library I think was also on
[15:12] <thafreak> and that was just on the main floor of the house...basement is a whole other mess...
[15:13] <thafreak> I did manage to virtualize on more machine lastnight and power off the old physicaly hardware...
[15:13] <jgould> that will help the power bill
[15:14] <thafreak> haha...not sure much will help my power bill...unless I get the rest of the stuff shutdown...
[15:14] <jgould> I just went to log into AT&T's website and typed my SSN rather than my phone number...
[15:14] <thafreak> I've got atleast 3 more machines to finish moving stuff off of...
[15:14] <thafreak> ouch
[15:15] <jgould> I fixed it before I submitted the form though...  Too much time on ODJFS's website (worthless POS that it is)
[15:16] <Cheri703> battery live up to TWO MONTHS!
[15:16] <Cheri703> *LIFE
[15:16]  * jgould blinks
[15:17] <jgould> AT&T wants more for a refurbished Atrix than they do for a new one... I think something is wrong ther
[15:17] <thafreak> atrix seems like a decent compromise....too bad it's at&t only
[15:18] <thafreak> course pretty soon if I don't leave tmobile, I'll be an at&t customer anyway
[15:18] <Cheri703> jgould: for the nook
[15:18] <jgould> We had some... Issues with Verizon....
[15:18] <jgould> I know, Cheri703.  I was blinking at AT&T's website
[15:18] <Cheri703> ah, ok
[15:19] <jgould> thafreak: that's if the FCC and FTC let the merger go though...
[15:22] <jgould> Anyone have an HTC Aria?
[15:28] <_bbb_> vision..
[15:32] <Derath-Srvr> Evo here
[15:35] <jgould> any one know if the aria is useable as a wifi hotspot?
[15:37] <_bbb_> like tethering? im sure
[15:37] <_bbb_> unless carrier forbids / not rooted
[15:38] <_bbb_> youd just need the right app then
[15:38] <_bbb_> or gingerbread
[15:39] <_bbb_> http://www.hoopples.com/
[15:39] <_bbb_> oops
[15:45] <jgould> Heh
[15:45] <jgould> It shipped with 2.1, and was later upgraded to 2.2 (Yero or something like that...)
[15:45] <jgould> I'll be back in a bit
[15:45] <Cheri703> _bbb_: lucky that was an innocuous link ;)
[15:45]  * Cheri703 is SUPER EXCITED about this new nook
[15:55] <_bbb_> yeah
[15:55] <_bbb_> phew
[15:55] <_bbb_> heh
[15:55] <_bbb_> its taco tueday.. heading there tonight
[17:31]  * jgould knows what phone he's going to get
[17:32] <canthus13> yay.
[17:32]  * canthus13 is going to stick witht he same piece of crap phone he has until it dies.
[17:34] <Cheri703> canthus13: I'm going to be keeping mine for a while as well
[17:34] <Cheri703> though parents are going to buy me a new nook! WOO!
[17:35] <paultag> Cheri703: woohoo!!
[17:35] <paultag> Cheri703: What's the deal with the new Nooks?
[17:35] <paultag> Cheri703: should I get one?
[17:35] <Cheri703> http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/24/barnes-and-noble-announces-new-nook/
[17:35] <Cheri703> it's e-ink
[17:35]  * paultag hugs Cheri703
[17:35] <Cheri703> but it's awesome
[17:35] <Cheri703> :)
[17:35] <Cheri703> I'm excited
[17:36] <paultag> whoh whoh
[17:36] <paultag> Cheri703: touch e-ink?
[17:36] <paultag> the fuck!!
[17:36] <Cheri703> yep
[17:36] <Cheri703> it looks pretty sweet
[17:36] <Cheri703> it is 6.5x5x.47" !
[17:36] <Cheri703> teeeeeny
[17:36] <paultag> Cheri703: I wonder how hard that will be to Jailbreak
[17:37] <Cheri703> yeah, I'm curious as well, it's running android 2.1
[17:37] <paultag> Cheri703: I want to put an app on it to digest content
[17:37] <Cheri703> what do you mean?
[17:37] <paultag> Cheri703: video looks rad
[17:37] <Cheri703> yeah
[17:37] <Cheri703> definitely
[17:37] <paultag> Cheri703: I want it to fetch new info from my server and show it to me
[17:38] <Cheri703> did you see the pic of the back of the nook?
[17:38] <Cheri703> ahh
[17:38] <Cheri703> it's all contoured and semi-grippy
[17:38] <paultag> I want to have it show all my VCS status stuff and all sorts of other things
[17:38] <Cheri703> which is awesome
[17:38] <paultag> Cheri703: +1
[17:39] <Cheri703> I can't wait for the 3rd party accessories to be available, I'm NOT paying a butt-ton of money for a case
[17:39] <paultag> Cheri703: aye
[17:39] <paultag> wow refresh is much much better
[17:40] <paultag> they totally cache that stuff
[17:41] <paultag> Cheri703: I think i'll wait until I'm sure that I can hack it
[17:41] <Cheri703> understandable
[17:41] <Cheri703> I'm sure there will be reports out about it :)
[17:41] <paultag> Cheri703: does that have the free 3G as well?
[17:41] <Cheri703> no 3g on these
[17:41] <Cheri703> BUT free wifi at at&t hotspots
[17:41] <paultag> humm
[17:41] <paultag> that's a bummer
[17:42] <Cheri703> eh, for me not so bad, I can tether with my phone :)
[17:42] <paultag> yeah, aye. My phone craps out on that, not to mention when I had my droid it would burn battery
[17:43] <Cheri703> mine does burn out quickly, BUT honestly, I shouldn't need wifi / internet that often
[17:44] <Cheri703> I'll load it up at home and go
[17:44] <paultag> aye
[17:44] <paultag> see I want to carry it, mostly "off", and pull it out when I have a minute to check pending stuff
[17:44] <paultag> and I want it to auto-fetch, I hate waiting
[17:47] <paultag> Cheri703: I wish nook would totally embrace the F/OSStards
[17:47] <paultag> Cheri703: they could have such a huge community putting out some amazing stuff
[17:47] <jgould> what do you have now, paultag
[17:47] <Cheri703> yeah, email them :)
[17:47] <paultag> jgould: iPad, it does about 40% of what I'd like a tablet to do
[17:47] <paultag> Cheri703: I wish! :)
[17:47] <paultag> They'd totally not listen
[17:47] <Cheri703> go for it! if enough people did, perhaps they'd consider it
[17:47] <jgould> I meant phone wise
[17:48] <paultag> but it does those 40% well
[17:48] <Cheri703> or even a more expensive rooted version or something
[17:48] <paultag> jgould: and old blackberry, I had an Android G1 before
[17:48] <paultag> Cheri703: aye
[17:48] <paultag> jgould: I'm so old-school with phones
[17:48] <jgould> I hate my blackBerry
[17:59] <Cheri703> paultag: I'm told that my UDS reimbursement should arrive 10 days after submitting it (so mid-late next week), and the nook hits stores on 6/10, so I'm going to call local B&N next wed/thurs, then go in and check it out hands-on
[17:59] <Cheri703> :)
[18:01] <Cheri703> iiiiinteresting: http://www.the-digital-reader.com/2011/05/24/the-new-nook-has-a-stylus/
[18:03] <canthus13> meh. Just give me a palm pre.. (pre+.. whatever. as long as it has WebOS. )
[18:05] <Cheri703> paultag: also these videos: http://blog.the-ebook-reader.com/2011/05/24/new-nook-revealed-the-simple-touch-reader-specs-and-videos/
[18:15] <paultag> Cheri703: woot!!!
[18:15] <paultag> Cheri703: thanks for that link, it looks pretty rad :)
[18:16] <Cheri703> yeah, I'm excited :)
[18:16] <paultag> Cheri703: I wonder how hard it will be to jailbreak it
[18:17] <Cheri703> how hard was the nook color?
[18:17] <paultag> if it's fairly simple, I'm so buying one
[18:17] <paultag> Cheri703: at first, not hard, just pop it open and reflash the internal SD card that you can remove
[18:17] <paultag> Cheri703: eventually you could break it via software olny
[18:17] <paultag> only, rather
[18:21] <Cheri703> hmm....k
[18:22] <Cheri703> iirc, android 2.1 wasn't terribly difficult to root, depending on device of course
[18:26] <paultag> Cheri703: yar
[19:01] <thafreak> paultag: where you going? You get a job offer somewhere, or just going home?
[19:04]  * deejoe watches for paultag's answer
[19:05] <Cheri703> He graduated
[19:06] <thafreak> right, and I'm wondering why NEO isn't good enough for him now :)
[19:06] <paultag> Oh sorry, I had a locked screen
[19:06] <paultag> thafreak: I love NEO so much, I wish I could stay, but I have no job, so I'm working for my dad until I find work
[19:07] <thafreak> it's cool....we understand
[19:07] <thafreak> what happened with google?
[19:07] <paultag> thafreak: made it 4 interviews :)
[19:07]  * Derath-Srvr sighs
[19:07] <paultag> thafreak: just had interview 2 with Derpbook, and 1 with Amazon
[19:07] <thafreak> wow...did you get an in person?
[19:07] <paultag> thafreak: narp
[19:07] <Derath-Srvr> I never heard from them...
[19:07] <paultag> also working on Boston College too
[19:07] <thafreak> what derpbook?
[19:07] <deejoe> paultag: have you gone east yet?
[19:08] <paultag> thafreak: facebook :)
[19:08] <paultag> deejoe: on Thursday
[19:08] <thafreak> ah
[19:08] <deejoe> drive, or fly?
[19:08] <paultag> deejoe: fly
[19:08] <deejoe> bah.
[19:08] <deejoe> oh well
[19:08]  * deejoe was angling for a paultag tour
[19:08] <paultag> deejoe: I'll make it a point to get out there in the next year or so, if I'm still out east
[19:09] <paultag> deejoe: need to check out -us-ny for myself, pay the hackerspace a vidit
[19:09] <paultag> visit
[19:09] <deejoe> yar
[19:09] <paultag> thafreak: I love NEO, I'm really sad to be leaving
[19:09] <paultag> but I should hear back from BC and Facebook soon
[19:09] <paultag> Amazon's going to be a no-go
[19:10] <Derath-Srvr> Company I work for has some opening, provided you don't mind working on Windows as well as Linux/AIX...
[19:10] <paultag> Derath-Srvr: thanks! I'll shoot you an email if BC/FB falls through, I'd hate to have you stick yourself out for me if I'm waiting on those two :)
[19:10] <Derath-Srvr> Understandable...
[19:11] <paultag> Derath-Srvr: it's kinda funny, for some reason, I did not apply to any of them, they all had my resume, which was boss
[19:11] <Derath-Srvr> Been debating on advertising it in LoCo, since most of the work is in Win/IIS...
[19:11] <Cheri703> bc?
[19:11] <paultag> Derath-Srvr: go for it, I don't think anyone would complain :)
[19:11] <paultag> Cheri703: Boston College
[19:11] <Cheri703> ah, read back
[19:11] <Cheri703> :)
[19:11] <paultag> :)
[19:12] <Derath-Srvr> Well, if anyone in the Columbus area, or willing to work in Cols needs a job...
[19:13] <Derath-Srvr> know anyone that's good with Checkpoint?
[19:13] <Derath-Srvr> And other firewall configs?
[19:13] <paultag> I don't :(
[19:14] <Derath-Srvr> That's for a different position...
[19:14] <paultag> I got all my friends on that Linux train early, so none of us know jack about Windows
[19:14] <Derath-Srvr> We still have plenty of System Engineer positions (software install/config/troubleshoot)
[19:14] <Cheri703> I want a tech job but I'm not a programmer :/
[19:14] <Cheri703> and I don't want to move unless absolutely necessary
[19:15] <Derath-Srvr> lol Without moving, it's a long commute, but our VP, and one of the SysEngrs both commute from Ashland
[19:15] <Cheri703> heh, carpool!
[19:15] <Derath-Srvr> And I commute from Dayton to Cols
[19:15] <Cheri703> though I'd love a telecommuting job
[19:18] <Derath-Srvr> telecommuting isn't used too much, unless necessary... at least for SysEngrs, Project Managers on the other hand are completely mobile, and travel a LOT
[19:20] <Cheri703> yeah
[19:24] <Unit193> That was one heck of a scrollback...
[19:25] <thafreak> Cheri703: you ever set the time on a vcr?
[19:25] <Cheri703> yup...?
[19:25] <thafreak> then you're a programmer :)
[19:26] <Cheri703> heh, I dabbled with python a bit, but I have little interest in programming overall
[19:27] <Cheri703> I just ask my brother to program stuff for me :)
[19:27] <Cheri703> though a friend of mine is going to send me an arduino, so that will be interesting
[19:28] <Cheri703> hoping I can do some stuff with that
[19:30] <thafreak> neat...whatever it takes to get you intereseted
[19:40] <Unit193> locobot_1 seems to be timing out like crazy...
[20:24] <Cheri703> heh, showed my mom the nook, she's curious about it
[20:24] <Cheri703> will let her play with it when she visits in july
[21:00] <Cheri703> wow what a website: http://pirateprinting.com/
[21:02] <_bbb_> shiver me timbers
[21:03] <Unit193> Dr Who already had that episode...
[21:03] <Cheri703> yeah....
[21:04] <Unit193> We are going to be short one paulta(g)
[21:16] <Unit193> Anyone want to test the OS bodhi_zazen made? I can give you the link or you can join #Zenix
[21:37] <paultag> Unit193: :)
[21:37] <paultag> go Zenix :)
[21:38] <Unit193> paultag: I've been testing since early beta for him
[21:38] <paultag> Unit193: I had a hand in every version except this one
[21:38] <paultag> Unit193: how's ibuclaw these days?
[21:39] <paultag> ah, I'll say hi
[21:39] <Unit193> paultag: I don't know him as well, but he's still there...
[21:39] <paultag> Unit193: oh shoot, bodhi does not like me right now
[21:40] <Derath-Srvr> Did he see how many times you've dropped the fbomb paultag?
[21:40] <Unit193> paultag: Really? I guess ibuclaw isn't on right now
[21:40] <paultag> Derath-Srvr: yes, actually. That's why
[21:40] <paultag> Unit193: No worries :)
[21:40]  * Derath-Srvr falls from shock
[21:41] <Derath-Srvr> Honestly didn't expect that to be the reason lol
[21:41] <paultag> Derath-Srvr: lol it was :)
[21:42] <paultag> Derath-Srvr: he told me to stop using that language in here, so I started swearing in German
[21:42] <Derath-Srvr> LMAO
[21:43] <paultag> :P
[21:46] <canthus13> paultag: Eh? Yer leaving us?
[21:46] <paultag> canthus13: yar :'(
[21:46] <canthus13> Bummer. :/
[21:46] <paultag> totally


[00:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gst-plugins-bad1.0 [arm64] (groovy-proposed/universe) [1.18.0-2ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist, kubuntu)
[01:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gst-plugins-bad1.0 [riscv64] (groovy-proposed/universe) [1.18.0-2ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist, kubuntu)
[01:57] <vorlon> xnox: how do I vacation
[01:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed [amd64] (xenial-proposed/main) [4.4.0-191.221] (core, kernel)
[02:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [amd64] (xenial-proposed) [4.4.0-191.221]
[06:46] <cpaelzer> hiho release-team would be someone around to take a look at this FFe before it is even later? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adcli/+bug/1893784
[06:46] <cpaelzer> Laney: I have seen you recently checked and acked a few, if you wouldn't mind ^^
[06:59] <LocutusOfBorg> please accept gst-plugins-bad1.0 so we can finally finish the gst migration :D
[07:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected gcc-10-cross-mipsen [sync] (focal-proposed) [2+c1ubuntu2]
[08:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: pulseaudio (focal-proposed/main) [1:13.99.1-1ubuntu3.6 => 1:13.99.1-1ubuntu3.8] (desktop-core, i386-whitelist, ubuntu-server)
[08:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gst-plugins-bad1.0 [amd64] (groovy-proposed) [1.18.0-2ubuntu1]
[08:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gst-plugins-bad1.0 [armhf] (groovy-proposed) [1.18.0-2ubuntu1]
[08:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gst-plugins-bad1.0 [ppc64el] (groovy-proposed) [1.18.0-2ubuntu1]
[08:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gst-plugins-bad1.0 [s390x] (groovy-proposed) [1.18.0-2ubuntu1]
[08:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gst-plugins-bad1.0 [arm64] (groovy-proposed) [1.18.0-2ubuntu1]
[08:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gst-plugins-bad1.0 [riscv64] (groovy-proposed) [1.18.0-2ubuntu1]
[08:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gst-plugins-bad1.0 [i386] (groovy-proposed) [1.18.0-2ubuntu1]
[08:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted finalrd [amd64] (xenial-proposed) [6~ubuntu16.04.1]
[08:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected python2.7 [sync] (focal-proposed) [2.7.18-1~20.04]
[09:03] <sil2100> juliank: hey!
[09:03] <sil2100> juliank: I'm reviewing your grub2 SRU for focal right now and I need clafirication regarding something in the patch
[09:04] <sil2100> juliank: so in ubuntu-linuxefi-arm64.patch I see some uh, two lines that don't seem to do anything:
[09:05] <sil2100> +  (void) addr;
[09:05] <sil2100> +  (void) size;
[09:05] <sil2100> juliank: is this a leftover of some debugging attempt or something?
[09:30] <sil2100> waveform, xnox: looking now at the NEW pibootctl - "Initial release. (Closes: #XXXXXX)" in the changelog is quite unfortunate, I guess it would be best if we had the needs-packaging bug mentioned there (so LP: #1870100)
[09:31] <waveform> sil2100, I can upload another one to the PPA with a cleaned-up history if you want?
[09:31] <sil2100> I always like when NEW packages have those in the changelog, as then I don't have to look for it manually
[09:31] <sil2100> waveform: let me take a look at the whole package, since if it's just this I guess I can tweak it before accepting too!
[09:36] <Riot1> Hey everyone
[09:40] <Riot1> ubuntu-archive: does the archive for bionic only reflect 18.04 lts release but not the changes up to 18.04.5 ?
[09:41] <apw> Riot1, the release pocket (suite bionic) reflects things as they were on release, the updates pocket on top of that represents everything since
[09:41] <Riot1> also updates reflect the diff between release and now
[09:41] <Riot1> *so
[09:46] <Riot1> thank you good sir :) helped me a lot :)
[09:50] <juliank> sil2100: No, they mark the parameters as unused so it builds
[09:50] <juliank> sil2100: Because I did not want to pull in the entire refactoring that dropped those arguments
[09:51] <juliank> casting an argument to void is kind of the standard trick to get around unused parameter errors
[09:53] <sil2100> juliank: ah, sneaky!
[09:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gstreamer-editing-services1.0 [amd64] (groovy-proposed/universe) [1.18.0-2] (no packageset)
[09:54] <Laney> __attribute__ ((unused))!
[09:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted grub2 [source] (focal-proposed) [2.04-1ubuntu26.5]
[10:02] <dosaboy> rbasak: ive updated groovy/victoria status for 1891673
[10:03] <dosaboy> assuming its correct to leave as Fix Committed since the release isnt actually out yet
[10:06] <rbasak> dosaboy: could you explain in a comment where the fix is up to please, if it's not actually in Groovy? That's a basic SRU requirement.
[10:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2 (focal-proposed/main) [2.04-1ubuntu26.5 => 2.04-1ubuntu26.5] (core)
[10:08] <doko> rbasak: do you want to have a look at https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/g/glibc/groovy/armhf before I give it back?
[10:08] <doko> rbalint: ^^^
[10:12] <rbalint> doko, thanks, saved
[10:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted grub2 [arm64] (focal-proposed) [2.04-1ubuntu26.5]
[10:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted grub2-signed [source] (focal-proposed) [1.142.7]
[10:20] <dosaboy> rbasak: i think it is in groovy since that has the same package build as the victoria-staging uca ppa which does contain the fix
[10:20] <dosaboy> but since neither is released yet i dont think it makes sense to mark them as fix released
[10:20] <dosaboy> if the policy is something different then please let me know and i can change it
[10:21] <dosaboy> i.e. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/neutron/2:17.0.0~git2020091014.215a541bd4-0ubuntu1
[10:22] <dosaboy> which matches https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cloud-archive/+archive/ubuntu/victoria-staging/+build/19932691
[10:22] <dosaboy> rbasak: ^
[10:22] <dosaboy> i can put that in the LP if you want
[10:25] <dosaboy> rbasak: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1891673/comments/16
[10:30] <LocutusOfBorg> please accept gstreamer-editing-services1.0 thanks
[10:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2 (focal-proposed/main) [2.04-1ubuntu26.5 => 2.04-1ubuntu26.5] (core)
[10:35] <rbasak> dosaboy: I agree to leave the LP status itself as it is. Since "Fix Released" is usually an SRU expectation though, please do put the explanation in the bug, and then the SRU team can make a documented exception if appropriate.
[10:35] <rbasak> dosaboy: also that means whoever's on rota today will have the full information
[10:36] <rbalint> doko, will be fixed fully in next upload LP: #1895687
[10:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gstreamer-editing-services1.0 [amd64] (groovy-proposed) [1.18.0-2]
[10:44] <Laney> k
[10:45] <Laney> just made an autopkgtest-cloud change that should fix ubuntu-release-upgrader/update-manager
[10:45] <Laney> IS shuffled it around a bit and the proxy setup needed changing
[10:45]  * Laney retries those
[11:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-hwe-5.4 [s390x] (bionic-proposed/main) [5.4.0-49.53~18.04.1] (no packageset)
[11:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-hwe-5.4 [amd64] (bionic-proposed/main) [5.4.0-49.53~18.04.1] (no packageset)
[11:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-gcp [amd64] (focal-proposed/main) [5.4.0-1026.26] (core, kernel)
[11:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-hwe-5.4 [ppc64el] (bionic-proposed/main) [5.4.0-49.53~18.04.1] (no packageset)
[11:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-oracle [amd64] (focal-proposed/main) [5.4.0-1026.26] (core, kernel)
[11:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-azure [amd64] (focal-proposed/main) [5.4.0-1027.27] (core, kernel)
[11:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-kvm [amd64] (focal-proposed/main) [5.4.0-1025.25] (no packageset)
[11:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-gcp-4.15 [amd64] (bionic-proposed/universe) [4.15.0-1085.96] (no packageset)
[11:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-gke-4.15 [amd64] (bionic-proposed/main) [4.15.0-1071.74] (no packageset)
[11:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-hwe-5.4 [arm64] (bionic-proposed/main) [5.4.0-49.53~18.04.1] (no packageset)
[11:12] <doko> apw, sforshee: did something change with the riscv64 kernel? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/498529278/buildlog_ubuntu-groovy-riscv64.oprofile_1.3.0-0ubuntu17_BUILDING.txt.gz
[11:36] <doko> ahh, wait, that didn't build before either
[11:39] <xnox> rbalint:  ooooh glibc upload? i want something in too
[11:41] <rbalint> xnox, ok, please add it to the repo
[11:42] <rbalint> RAOF, bdmurray: please release glibc to focal
[11:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python3.9 [sync] (focal-proposed) [3.9.0~rc1-1~20.04]
[12:24] <sforshee> doko: since when exactly? Our kernels are constantly changing, we did move to 5.8 fairly recently
[12:36] <doko> sforshee: see my second message
[12:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-azure [amd64] (focal-proposed) [5.4.0-1027.27]
[12:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-kvm [amd64] (focal-proposed) [5.4.0-1025.25]
[12:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-gcp [amd64] (focal-proposed) [5.4.0-1026.26]
[12:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-oracle [amd64] (focal-proposed) [5.4.0-1026.26]
[12:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected gcc-9-cross-mipsen [sync] (focal-proposed) [4+c2ubuntu3]
[12:40] <sforshee> doko: I only got one message, seems the second never made it to me for some reason
[12:52] <juliank> sil2100: can you approve the grub2:amd64 binaries too?
[12:52] <juliank> heh I just realized I only need the arm64 one to verify the bug
[12:54] <juliank> Also new qemu just broke my arm64 boot
[12:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted grub2 [amd64] (focal-proposed) [2.04-1ubuntu26.5]
[13:08] <LocutusOfBorg> sforshee, it never built there according to the second message
[13:10] <sforshee> LocutusOfBorg: thanks
[13:10] <LocutusOfBorg> :)
[13:36] <Trevinho> bdmurray: hey, could you  have a look at the mutter focal SRU when you've time? There's also gnome-shell in queue, but that's less priority, but mutter fixes the quite popular bug #1892440
[13:44] <LocutusOfBorg> ubuntu-archive, can you please do a dbg cleanup in proposed?
[13:44] <LocutusOfBorg> old binaries left on ppc64el: gstreamer1.0-rtsp-dbg, libgstrtspserver-1.0-0-dbg (from 1.16.2-3)
[13:44] <LocutusOfBorg> old binaries left on s390x: gstreamer1.0-rtsp-dbg, libgstrtspserver-1.0-0-dbg (from 1.16.2-3)
[13:45] <LocutusOfBorg> old binaries left on s390x: libges-1.0-0-dbg (from 1.16.2-2)
[14:16] <cpaelzer> juliank: which "new qemu" do you refer to?
[14:16] <cpaelzer> juliank: there wasn't a major update in -dev or focal that should affect arm much
[14:16] <cpaelzer> groovy had 5.0 since 8th August
[14:17] <juliank> cpaelzer:  qemu-system-common:amd64 (1:5.0-5ubuntu6, 1:5.0-5ubuntu8)
[14:17] <cpaelzer> just in case I should know about that issue you mentioned ...
[14:17] <juliank> cpaelzer: Maybe it's unrelated
[14:17] <juliank> cpaelzer: But my kernel did not boot with ramfb, but it boots fine with virtio-gpu
[14:17] <cpaelzer> juliank: between those two versions only s390x changes are applied
[14:17] <juliank> cpaelzer: arm64 is not super stable anyway
[14:18] <juliank> i hate emulation
[14:18] <cpaelzer> not sure what you are doing, but canonistack has real arm64 for you
[14:18] <juliank> but then I don't have nested kvm on my chromebook, so sanest arm64 I can get
[14:18] <juliank> cpaelzer: Bootloader testing
[14:19] <juliank> EFI secure boot
[14:19] <juliank> cpaelzer: I tried launching arm64 instances earlier this month of varying sizes to build a grub, but it complained about not having any hosts available
[14:19] <cpaelzer> IMHO you could ask dannf  and folks to get you maas access to a bare metal arm64
[14:19] <juliank> Used my chromebook instead :)
[14:20] <cpaelzer> juliank: I just used arm64 on canonistack two days ago, hosts were free at that time
[14:20] <juliank> Hmm
[14:21] <cpaelzer> --flavor cpu8-ram16-disk20 is what I used
[14:21]  * Laney uses the rpi, works nicely for most stuff
[14:21] <juliank> Laney: that works too, well, not for UEFI secure boot testing
[14:22] <juliank> Laney: my chromebook has twice as many cores, though
[14:22] <cpaelzer> Laney: mine lands in the drawer too quickly if being idle and then I openstack-cli is much easier than standing up to fetch it :-)
[14:23] <juliank> latency to canonistack isn't much fun though
[14:24] <juliank> chromebook has lxd and 8 cores, so it's quite decent
[14:24] <juliank> And I can SSH into it
[14:25] <juliank> cpaelzer: that cpu8-ram16-disk20 worked
[14:25] <cpaelzer> \o/
[14:25] <juliank> I was trying m1.{medium,large} last time
[14:25] <juliank> and cpu8-ram2-disk10
[14:51] <bdmurray> sil2100: Did you see my comment / question about bug 1894919?
[15:00] <sil2100> bdmurray: hey! Let me check
[15:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: pibootctl (groovy-proposed/primary) [0.5.2-0ubuntu1]
[15:04] <sil2100> bdmurray: hm, do you have an idea right now why these remaining packages were still not purged during the autoremoval phase?
[15:07] <bdmurray> sil2100: nope, with version 20.04.25 there are messages regarding "unwanted removal" in /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log but with 20.04.27 there are no such messages in main.log. I guess I could try 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' and see if they are also left.
[15:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected pibootctl [source] (groovy-proposed) [0.5.2-0ubuntu1]
[15:09] <sil2100> bdmurray: generally in such cases I don't mind releasing the update, even if it's not a complete fix - we can always re-open the bug or have a new one created for the remaining bits
[15:09] <sil2100> So maybe you could do that (new bug for clean context?), and then we'd just
[15:09] <sil2100> ...relase
[15:09] <sil2100> *release
[15:09] <sil2100> Darn
[15:13] <bdmurray> sil2100: Okay, I'll add all my verification notes to the bug then.
[15:14] <sil2100> Thanks!
[15:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pibootctl [source] (groovy-proposed) [0.5.2-0ubuntu1]
[15:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pibootctl [amd64] (groovy-proposed/none) [0.5.2-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[15:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-gcp-4.15 [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [4.15.0-1085.96]
[15:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-hwe-5.4 [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [5.4.0-49.53~18.04.1]
[15:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-hwe-5.4 [ppc64el] (bionic-proposed) [5.4.0-49.53~18.04.1]
[15:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-gke-4.15 [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [4.15.0-1071.74]
[15:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-hwe-5.4 [s390x] (bionic-proposed) [5.4.0-49.53~18.04.1]
[15:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-hwe-5.4 [arm64] (bionic-proposed) [5.4.0-49.53~18.04.1]
[15:25] <bdmurray> rbalint: For what package is the crash report in comment #1 of bug 1889190 created? Did you do any duplicate searching?
[15:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pibootctl [amd64] (groovy-proposed) [0.5.2-0ubuntu1]
[15:30] <LocutusOfBorg> ubuntu-archive ping for NBS proposed cleanup (gstreamer1.0)
[15:30] <LocutusOfBorg> old binaries left on ppc64el: gstreamer1.0-rtsp-dbg, libgstrtspserver-1.0-0-dbg (from 1.16.2-3)
[15:47] <rbalint> bdmurray, i have not checked the crash report nor looked for duplicates. i've reproduced the issue in a clean lxc container and considered the crash itself to be enough of a proof
[15:48] <rbalint> bdmurray, now looking at errors.u.c there are not many glibc crashes and i don't see a duplicate
[15:49] <bdmurray> rbalint: okay, I'll have a look around launchpad
[17:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-hwe [amd64] (xenial-proposed/main) [4.15.0-119.120~16.04.1] (kernel)
[17:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-hwe [ppc64el] (xenial-proposed/main) [4.15.0-119.120~16.04.1] (kernel)
[17:38] <juliank> cpaelzer: Now that I saw it again - What happens is that qemu aarch64 sometimes gets "Synchronous Exception at 0x0000000137EF9040" instead of booting. I haven't seen this before today, but it might not really be a regression
[17:45] <ahasenack> hi release team, just a ping about two adcli FFes I have, if someone could take a look at some point: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sssd/+bug/1868703 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adcli/+bug/1893784
[17:59] <bdmurray> Trevinho: The mutter upload will end up reopening some bugs like 1870867 because of it being based on 3.36.2
[18:00] <Trevinho> bdmurray: how that? it's 3.36.6-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[18:03] <bdmurray> Trevinho: maybe I misstated the reason but that bug is included in the changelog entry for 3.36.4-1 although it was already SRU'ed for ubuntu. Because its in Launchpad-Bugs-Fixed the sru tools will act on it and it will need verification
[18:07] <Trevinho> bdmurray: mhmh, which bug sorry?
[18:07] <bdmurray> bug 1870867, bug 1857947 at least
[18:08] <Trevinho> ah, i was trying the tool right now
[18:08] <Trevinho> mhhmh
[18:09] <Trevinho> bdmurray: ah, i seee... that's because those are in the changes files..
[18:09] <Trevinho> bdmurray: so, those bugs got fixed in ubuntu earlier, but this release merges with debian changelogs that includes them again
[18:10] <Trevinho> but we had them already fixed indeed
[18:10] <bdmurray> yes
[18:10] <hellsworth> bdmurray: could we please publish libreoffice 6.4.6 for focal? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1892783
[18:10] <Trevinho> I might make a changes without such version, but... well wouldn't be correct
[18:11] <bdmurray> hellsworth: I'm personally not comfortable releasing that https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2020-September/005089.html
[18:11] <Trevinho> bdmurray: I think we can just make the tool to reopen them, I will mark them as verified explaingin that... would be ok?
[18:13] <bdmurray> Trevinho: okay
[18:13] <Trevinho> nice
[18:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mutter [source] (focal-proposed) [3.36.6-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[18:29] <hellsworth> bdmurray: alright then i'll go draft a microrelease exception
[18:29] <cpaelzer> juliank: we didn't have such a report recently, but they occur every now and then over the last few yeras - so far sometimes being kernel or bootloader bugs https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1319083 or (more often) flaky and non reproducible https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1675522
[18:30] <juliank> cpaelzer: yup flaky, saw it twice in 10 boots or so
[18:32] <bdmurray> hellsworth: I also think if the bullet points here were true then that would work instead of an exception https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#New_upstream_microreleases
[18:35] <hellsworth> I think the four bullet points in "New upstream microreleases" is true
[18:40] <bdmurray> hellsworth: then maybe making the bug more clearly match that wiki page would help. Not being familiar with libreoffice I'd like it if the results of the upstream version testing were pointed to and maybe a link to a description of what testing upstream does.
[18:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted neutron [source] (focal-proposed) [2:16.1.0-0ubuntu2]
[18:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted neutron [source] (bionic-proposed) [2:12.1.1-0ubuntu2]
[18:51] <Trevinho> bdmurray: thanks for the quick review :)
[19:00] <hellsworth> bdmurray: ok I've added links to the testing upstream does and the test results. In the future I can link to these things in the SRU description
[19:00] <hellsworth> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1892783/comments/4
[19:03] <hellsworth> bdmurray: future libreoffice SRUs will point to the upstream testing and results. but what else would you like to happen first, allowing 6.4.6 to be released?
[19:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted memcached [source] (focal-proposed) [1.5.22-2ubuntu0.2]
[19:06] <bdmurray> hellsworth: looking
[19:07] <bdmurray> hellsworth: which one of these gerrit results maps to what is in 6.4.6?
[19:15] <hellsworth> well i'm trying to map it right now. it's not so straightforward
[19:16] <bdmurray> okay, I think that would help a lot
[19:32] <rafaeldtinoco> hello release team, sorry to bother, I have a FFe that is important for MSSQL support (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pacemaker/+bug/1896223) <- I have subscribed release team already. The merge request contains the feature patchset and PPA its build. thank you
[19:37] <hellsworth> bdmurray: perhaps it would be more relevant to link to the autopkgtests that were run on this package in lp before asking you all to upload it.
[19:38] <bdmurray> hellsworth: I'm not following that statement
[19:39] <hellsworth> so we have a little bit of a perfect storm here.. that ppa is gone becuase i just cleaned up my ppas and didn't think I needed this one around. so the autopkgtests that were run on it are gone
[19:40] <hellsworth> well upstream runs their tests. then debian pulls upstream. then we pull debian. so you might be able to see how it's hard to map the ubuntu exact commit to the commit tested upstream
[19:40] <hellsworth> i always run autopkgtests for all of the archs before asking marcus to upload them
[19:40] <hellsworth> unfortunately though, that ppa is gone that had the passing tests.
[19:42] <hellsworth> actually nevermind. my autopkgtest result url was wrong and the results are still there even though the ppa is gone
[19:43] <hellsworth> so i'll go ahead and add that info to the sru too
[19:43] <hellsworth> (another great thing to always add to the description)
[19:43] <rbalint> bdmurray, please merge https://code.launchpad.net/~rbalint/britney/hints-ubuntu/+merge/390633 to unblock systemd, the next upload is almost ready
[19:47] <bdmurray> Yeah, I think autopkgtest results are only deleted for EOL releases
[19:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-hwe [amd64] (xenial-proposed) [4.15.0-119.120~16.04.1]
[19:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-hwe [ppc64el] (xenial-proposed) [4.15.0-119.120~16.04.1]
[20:06] <bdmurray> rbalint: Why did you not bump the version instead of adding another version? I don't see any other hints with multiple package versions...
[20:35] <hellsworth> bdmurray: i found the libreoffice upstream ci job that did the testing for 6.4.6 as it's been submitted to your team and added it to the bug
[20:36] <hellsworth> what other information can I provide about 6.4.6?
[20:51] <bdmurray> hellsworth: Do you know why "There is not enough time for a full regression test" with bug fix releases?
[20:55] <hellsworth> i don't.. where did you see that?
[20:55] <bdmurray> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Testing/Regression_Tests
[20:56] <bdmurray> In the Basic Regression Test section
[20:59] <hellsworth> i see.. well after spending the last 1+ hour digging around in their jenkins instance, it's really busy. they could be limited on resources
[21:00] <bdmurray> Okay. Linking to https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Testing/Feature_Tests doesn't seem too useful given that it is marked as inactive
[21:01] <hellsworth> good point
[21:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted thermald [source] (focal-proposed) [1.9.1-1ubuntu0.3]
[23:35] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: any idea why britney is complaining about gstreamer1.0-rtsp-dbg, libgstrtspserver-1.0-0-dbg on ppc64el s390x riscv64 but not other archs?
[23:36] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: the whole output looks rather suspect, britney should handle these normally as NBS packages