[00:03] <Unit193> welcome back, ubuntulog_
[00:15] <cyberanger> Meeting in 15 minutes
[00:15] <cyberanger> Primary item on our Agenda is Leadership Elections
[00:15] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: is that script useful or annoying?
[00:20] <cyberanger> Meeting in 10 minutes
[00:20] <cyberanger> Primary item on our Agenda is Leadership Elections
[00:20] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: useful
[00:20] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: we can refine it .... and we should probably delegate it to a proper bot
[00:21] <cyberanger> proper bot is already in progress
[00:21] <cyberanger> (and your presuming this isn't, could be eggdrop bot doubling as an irc proxy)
[00:23] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i realize ... but we don't want to make a permanent service like that tied to a username
[00:23] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: ping
[00:23] <pace_t_zulu> Unit193: ping
[00:23] <Unit193> pace_t_zulu: Pong
[00:23] <pace_t_zulu> chris4585 cosmicpizza Juzzy orangeninja orias Svpernova09 twayneprice ping
[00:23] <pace_t_zulu> Unit193: metting starting in <10min
[00:24] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: tied to my username yeah, agreed
[00:24] <cyberanger> hence why the main bot is cyberanger-bt
[00:24] <cyberanger> hence why the main bot is cyberanger-bot
[00:24] <orangeninja> pong
[00:24] <orias> rawr
[00:24] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: for development purposes its ok ... but bots on usernames in irc - you know how that goes
[00:25] <cyberanger> Meeting in 5 minutes
[00:25] <cyberanger> Primary item on our Agenda is Leadership Elections
[00:25] <pace_t_zulu> thank you cyberanger ;)
[00:25] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: get's a bit crazy, yep
[00:25]  * Unit193 stands to watch
[00:25]  * cyberanger tells Unit193 to grab a chair & get comfy
[00:25] <pace_t_zulu> Unit193: i hope you feel encouraged to participate
[00:26] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: within his bounds as an ohio resident, yep
[00:26] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: pong
[00:26] <Unit193> cyberanger: It's quite comfy actually (not a desk chair :D )
[00:27] <pace_t_zulu> so we have cyberanger Unit193 orangeninja orias wrst
[00:27] <pace_t_zulu> +myself ... that's 6
[00:27] <pace_t_zulu> not bad for <5min before meeting
[00:27] <cyberanger> Unit193: you are welcome to our meetings, short of any vote that is restricted (for example our regional leadership is voted on solely by the region their in)
[00:27] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: and without an email
[00:27] <pace_t_zulu> Unit193: what part of TN do you live in?
[00:27] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: Unit193 lives in Ohio
[00:27] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i am very keen on http://loco.ubuntu.com
[00:29] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i think that needs to become a priority
[00:29] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: yeah, it seems to be a real nice setup
[00:29] <pace_t_zulu> i'll add that as a last minute agenda item
[00:29] <cyberanger> idk with all the issues ubuntu has to deal with, if anything..oh, you meant our priorities
[00:29] <pace_t_zulu> you guys ready?
[00:29] <cyberanger> I think mailing list is higher
[00:29] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: nearly ready
[00:29] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: i have family in i will be in and out but ready :)
[00:30] <cyberanger> Meeting Time
[00:30] <cyberanger> Primary item on our Agenda is Leadership Elections
[00:30] <pace_t_zulu> #startmeeting
[00:30] <MootBot> Meeting started at 19:30. The chair is pace_t_zulu.
[00:30] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[00:30] <pace_t_zulu> o/
[00:30] <cyberanger> here
[00:30] <wrst> \o
[00:31] <orangeninja> o/
[00:31] <pace_t_zulu> Unit193: and orias were here
[00:31] <Unit193> \o
[00:32] <pace_t_zulu> [link]http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/tennessee.team/146/detail/
[00:32] <MootBot> LINK received: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/tennessee.team/146/detail/
[00:32] <pace_t_zulu> [topic]Utilize http://loco.ubuntu.com more extensively
[00:32] <MootBot> New Topic: Utilize http://loco.ubuntu.com more extensively
[00:32] <pace_t_zulu> ok, so i just added this just now
[00:32] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: mind If I start off with something
[00:32] <pace_t_zulu> but i want to draw attention to this ...
[00:33] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: this will be brief, then i'll yield to you
[00:33] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: sorry, meant before the election (already forgot about this item)
[00:33] <pace_t_zulu> [link]http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/tennessee.team
[00:33] <MootBot> LINK received: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/tennessee.team
[00:34] <pace_t_zulu> this should become a base of information
[00:34] <pace_t_zulu> it provides RSS feeds and iCal feeds ... which can be parsed elsewhere
[00:34] <pace_t_zulu> just wanted to draw attention to that ...
[00:35] <pace_t_zulu> any concerns with utilizing http://loco.ubuntu.com more extensively?
[00:36] <pace_t_zulu> if not, i'll yield to cyberanger
[00:36] <cyberanger> one, we must avoid using it so extensively that we forget about tools that are currently more utilized (I've been bad about our mailing list, our best tool)
[00:37] <cyberanger> that is my one concern, I was bad about using one medium (IRC) for information, more often than not
[00:37] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: agreed ... but this relatively new and focused towards the needs of this group - i'm suggesting we embrace it
[00:37] <cyberanger> we might not have much mail on our list, but we have alot of readers on it
[00:38] <cyberanger> I agree, so long as we fix the other places that have taken a blindeye lately
[00:38] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i agree that the mailing list is under-utilized as well
[00:39] <cyberanger> as far as writing, I got enough corrospendence via it, you know about one person for that reason too
[00:39] <pace_t_zulu> [idea] embrace http://loco.ubuntu.com as a new tool for the loco ... while renewing interest in well loved tools like the mailing list
[00:39] <MootBot> IDEA received:  embrace http://loco.ubuntu.com as a new tool for the loco ... while renewing interest in well loved tools like the mailing list
[00:40] <cyberanger> seems anything on the list wasn't staying on the list, rather it went to the sender, something I fixed, one reason it became underutilized I think
[00:41] <cyberanger> anyhow, moving on, if everyone is ok with that
[00:42] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i'd like to also point out this http://www.ubuntu-tennessee.org/wp-admin/admin.php?page=kstats/charts&view=referrers
[00:42] <pace_t_zulu> let me screenshot that
[00:43] <pace_t_zulu> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1601465 referred 1153 views at http://www.ubuntu-tennessee.org
[00:43] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1601465 referred 1153 views at http://www.ubuntu-tennessee.org
[00:43] <cyberanger> our fourms which is ignored even more than the mailing list, cool
[00:43] <pace_t_zulu> nearest referrer has only 95 views ...
[00:44] <cyberanger> 89 views
[00:44] <cyberanger> I'd exclude the 95 one, cause it's our own site referring itself
[00:44] <pace_t_zulu> so that highlights cyberanger's point that the well loved tools still have power
[00:44] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: yea... the redirect from http://ubuntu-tennessee.org
[00:45] <pace_t_zulu> s/reinforces/highlights/
[00:45] <pace_t_zulu> anyway
[00:45] <cyberanger> and also note, none of that is from me (I have referrer disabled in my browser)
[00:45] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: you had something you wanted to discuss quickly before leadership elections
[00:46] <cyberanger> and others may do that, so even with that being metioned, our tutorials drove the most traffic
[00:46] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: yes, I would
[00:46] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: go ahead
[00:47] <cyberanger> last month I stepped down as trustee, passed the tourch for the remainder of my term (ending today) to pace_t_zulu to manage my time
[00:47] <cyberanger> a little better, try and start a state lug with other members here & elsewhere
[00:48] <cyberanger> and it sounds likely I'll be moving some point in the next month or two
[00:49] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: where might you be moving?
[00:49] <cyberanger> I plan on running for east tn leadership, however knowing that my time in tennessee could be limited, I'd prefer to have somebody else take that position, I'll be on IRC to guide and assist this loco in any way I can
[00:50] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: most likely, alaska, TSA hasn't offically hired me, and I've got positions I've applied for all over, however none were open in TN
[00:50] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i think you should go ahead and run as if you will be staying in-state
[00:50] <cyberanger> closest is Huntsville, but there is a priority they'd like to fill
[00:51] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: seeing as you are thinking of starting a state lug
[00:51] <pace_t_zulu> but its up to you man
[00:51] <cyberanger> while it's not official, rarely does anyone get this far in the process and get turned down
[00:52] <cyberanger> also an offer for a startup isp has come up, but that is 3 months out still
[00:52] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: my point is that your leadership is welcome
[00:52] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: you can pass the torch if/when you leave
[00:53] <cyberanger> anyhow, I can't be a leader once out of state, and wanted to further metion that it will be unlikely for me to carry out a full yearlong term
[00:53] <pace_t_zulu> we should get a show of hands .... we may have lost some
[00:54] <cyberanger> and last month I forgot about an item on the agenda, I want to make a motion for 6 month terms, seems beyond 6 months things stagnate a bit
[00:54] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: good idea, 0/
[00:54] <cyberanger> Juzzy:
[00:54] <cyberanger> orangeninja:
[00:54] <cyberanger> orias:
[00:54] <orangeninja> o/
[00:54] <cyberanger> Svpernova09:
[00:54] <cyberanger> twayneprice:
[00:54] <pace_t_zulu> we started with cyberanger wrst orangeninja Unit193 and myself
[00:54] <cyberanger> wrst:
[00:55]  * Unit193
[00:55] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: figured with this bit, might want to try for every tennessean
[00:55] <cyberanger> [topic] shorten leadership terms to 6 months
[00:55] <cyberanger> [TOPIC] shorten leadership terms to 6 months
[00:56] <cyberanger> wrong syntax?
[00:56] <pace_t_zulu> [topic] shorten leadership terms to 6 months
[00:56] <MootBot> New Topic:  shorten leadership terms to 6 months
[00:56] <orias> o/
[00:56] <pace_t_zulu> i am the topic master
[00:56] <cyberanger> oh, chair only function
[00:56] <pace_t_zulu> apparently
[00:56] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: go ahead
[00:56] <cyberanger> idea is for everyone
[00:56] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i'm keen on it
[00:57] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: perhaps for regional points of contact?
[00:57] <cyberanger> ideally every leader, re-election
[00:57] <pace_t_zulu> hi orias and orangeninja ... please feel free to voice your thoughts
[00:57] <Svpernova09> o/
[00:57] <orias> sorry, trying to get caught up
[00:58] <cyberanger> as both trustee and a regional leader, I found myself and other leaders got distant, worn out, priorities shifted, so forth
[00:58] <cyberanger> at about that point
[00:58] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: how bout we vote on it next meeting after we sort out elections now
[00:58] <cyberanger> or at the least, too routine to focus
[00:58] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: go one
[00:58] <pace_t_zulu> s/one/on
[00:58] <orias> 6months is a reasonible time frame
[00:58] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: we kinda need it before we vote people for another term, unless we make this election contigent on this item next meeting
[00:59] <cyberanger> since this is defining their term limit
[00:59] <cyberanger> don't you think
[00:59] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger i'm prepared to vote on it now
[00:59] <cyberanger> as am I, anyone opposed to this idea?
[00:59] <cyberanger> if not, lets vote?
[00:59] <pace_t_zulu> orias orangeninja Svpernova09 please feel free to speak your minds before we start the vote
[00:59] <orias> vote on?
[01:00] <pace_t_zulu> let me know if you have nothing to add ... and i'll start
[01:00] <orias> sorry, who are the nominees?
[01:00] <cyberanger> orias: a 6 month term
[01:00] <Svpernova09> SHorter terms are fine, but you may run into an issue of you're having to relect people every 6 months
[01:00] <orias> ah
[01:00] <pace_t_zulu> orias: shortening all terms from 1 year the 6 months
[01:00] <orias> aye
[01:00] <cyberanger> Svpernova09: right now we have leaders disappearing every 6 months or so anyhow
[01:00] <pace_t_zulu> i suppose going at the same frequency as ubuntu releases
[01:00] <Svpernova09> Yeah, very true
[01:01] <pace_t_zulu> which is kinda cool
[01:01] <pace_t_zulu> phase shifted by 2 months
[01:01] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: and that'll help with release parties, seems we peak around releases, august to october we plan, then wait till august
[01:01] <pace_t_zulu> anyway ... i'm prepared to vote if everyone else feels like their voice has been heard
[01:01] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger:  right
[01:02] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: great idea
[01:02]  * wrst catches up
[01:02] <pace_t_zulu> orangeninja: you there?
[01:02] <cyberanger> perhaps a litte exgerrated, but kinda hits the issue I see, 6 months is as active we manage to be
[01:02] <orangeninja> yez
[01:02] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: 6 month terms
[01:02] <orangeninja> yes* een
[01:02] <wrst> yeah makes sense
[01:02] <orangeninja> 6 months
[01:02] <cyberanger> Svpernova09: would you be willing to give it a try, or have a counter-proposal in mind?
[01:03] <Svpernova09> oh, I didn't mean to argue for or against it
[01:03] <Svpernova09> Was just throwing out 2 cents
[01:03] <pace_t_zulu> motion to vote on 6 month leadership terms
[01:03] <cyberanger> Svpernova09: ah, yeah, and it's a good point, right now I see having leaders get stale every 6 months as an issue too
[01:04] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: Svpernova09 it seems to me as if interest peaks around leadership elections perhaps
[01:04] <cyberanger> let's try this, worst case, we vote to return to the current 1 year length if this doesn't work
[01:04] <Svpernova09> certainly
[01:04] <cyberanger> I second the motion pace_t_zulu
[01:04] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: elections & releases
[01:05] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: releases?
[01:05] <cyberanger> ubuntu market's the loco's hard for release parties & such
[01:05] <pace_t_zulu> right
[01:05] <pace_t_zulu> [vote] 6 month term for all leadership positions
[01:05] <MootBot> Please vote on:  6 month term for all leadership positions.
[01:05] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[01:05] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-us-tn
[01:05] <pace_t_zulu> +1
[01:05] <MootBot> +1 received from pace_t_zulu. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[01:05] <orias> +
[01:05] <orias> +1
[01:05] <MootBot> +1 received from orias. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[01:05] <orias> lol
[01:06] <pace_t_zulu> good hustle orias
[01:06] <cyberanger> tn was dead at that time, so I went to georgia's release party, shortly after w4ett restarted things & each release it grows
[01:06] <wrst> +1
[01:06] <MootBot> +1 received from wrst. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[01:06] <Svpernova09> +1
[01:06] <MootBot> +1 received from Svpernova09. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[01:06] <cyberanger> +1
[01:06] <MootBot> +1 received from cyberanger. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[01:06] <pace_t_zulu> orangeninja ping
[01:06] <orangeninja> +1
[01:06] <MootBot> +1 received from orangeninja. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6
[01:06] <pace_t_zulu> that's everyone ... right
[01:06] <pace_t_zulu> it carries
[01:06] <pace_t_zulu> [endvote]
[01:06] <MootBot> Final result is 6 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 6
[01:06] <cyberanger> yep, agreed
[01:07] <pace_t_zulu> [agreed] 6 month term for all leadership positions
[01:07] <MootBot> AGREED received:  6 month term for all leadership positions
[01:07] <pace_t_zulu> [topic]nominations for leadership positions
[01:07] <MootBot> New Topic: nominations for leadership positions
[01:07] <cyberanger> next, I'd like to nominate pace_t_zulu for a 6 month trustee position
[01:07] <pace_t_zulu> thank you cyberanger i accept
[01:08] <pace_t_zulu> no need to assing the time period as part of the position though ;)
[01:08] <cyberanger> he's stepped in my shoes quickly, been doing a great job with it & middle tennessee too (as he's currently our middle tn leader too)
[01:08] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: oh, merely reminding myself
[01:08] <pace_t_zulu> motion to start with trustee position then move to regional positions
[01:08] <wrst> second ... if its needed
[01:09] <cyberanger> it's custom for the person nominated to abstain, however that is not a requirement
[01:09] <pace_t_zulu> [topic] nominations for trustee position
[01:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  nominations for trustee position
[01:10] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu has been nominated by cyberanger & seconded by wrst
[01:10] <pace_t_zulu> wrst would you be interested in the trustee position?
[01:10] <wrst> no sir
[01:10] <wrst> -1 pace_t_zulu :)
[01:11] <wrst> but +1 for pace_t_zulu
[01:11] <pace_t_zulu> i would nominate you otherwise
[01:11] <wrst> pace_t_zulu:  i think that and the mid tn leadership is right as it needs to be
[01:11] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: it's ok, we're gonna draft him for middle tn ;-)
[01:11] <pace_t_zulu> anyway
[01:12] <pace_t_zulu> orangeninja orias Svpernova09 y'all have any nominations?
[01:12] <Svpernova09> I don't. I'm just a spectator :_D
[01:12] <orangeninja> ^
[01:12] <orias> ^^
[01:13] <pace_t_zulu> [vote] pace_t_zulu as trustee
[01:13] <MootBot> Please vote on:  pace_t_zulu as trustee.
[01:13] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[01:13] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-us-tn
[01:13] <pace_t_zulu> =)
[01:13] <pace_t_zulu> +0
[01:13] <MootBot> Abstention received from pace_t_zulu. 0 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 0
[01:13] <pace_t_zulu> oops
[01:13] <wrst> +1
[01:13] <MootBot> +1 received from wrst. 1 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 1
[01:13] <orias> +1
[01:13] <MootBot> +1 received from orias. 2 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2
[01:13] <Svpernova09> +1
[01:13] <MootBot> +1 received from Svpernova09. 3 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 3
[01:13] <orangeninja> +1
[01:13] <MootBot> +1 received from orangeninja. 4 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 4
[01:13] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger:  ping
[01:14] <MootBot> Private +1 vote received. 5 for, 0 against, 1 have abstained. Count is now 5
[01:14] <pace_t_zulu> [endvote]
[01:14] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 5
[01:14] <pace_t_zulu> [agreed] pace_t_zulu is trustee
[01:14] <MootBot> AGREED received:  pace_t_zulu is trustee
[01:14] <pace_t_zulu> [topic] regional leadership positions
[01:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  regional leadership positions
[01:14] <cyberanger> East TN
[01:15] <cyberanger> Middle TN
[01:15] <pace_t_zulu> btw, thanks guys for the votes ;)
[01:15] <cyberanger> West TN
[01:15] <cyberanger> sounds like a good order, we'll follow the sun
[01:15] <pace_t_zulu> ok, everyone say what region you are in
[01:15] <pace_t_zulu> Middle TN
[01:15] <wrst> middle
[01:15]  * cyberanger is currently east tn
[01:15] <orangeninja> middle'
[01:15] <Svpernova09> West
[01:15] <pace_t_zulu> yeah middle o/
[01:16] <pace_t_zulu> wow its been a while since middle has outnumbered west for an election
[01:16] <pace_t_zulu> any region for that matter
[01:16] <pace_t_zulu> well so middle can vote
[01:17] <pace_t_zulu> do we want to agree to all vote for all regions?
[01:17] <pace_t_zulu> orias: what part of TN are you in?
[01:17] <orias> west
[01:18] <pace_t_zulu> so we have 1 east ... 3 middle ... 2 west
[01:18] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: it'd be a break from precedence, however if it's agreed by everyone here, east has only three members, one is our prior leader too
[01:18] <cyberanger> west has jfenn2199, who's been absent awhile
[01:18] <cyberanger> linuxman410 in the east, who is around every now and then
[01:19] <cyberanger> we kinda need more members in west and east, and afaik, east doesn't have any more to call from
[01:19] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: yes, and he's absent now ... so he can't accept an nomination ... unless someone can point to a place in the logs where he said he would accept it by proxy
[01:20] <cyberanger> jfenn2199 & linuxman410 hadn't notified me of that, jfenn2199 was one of the people who needed the meeting time pushed back
[01:20] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: if nominated for east tn would you accept?
[01:21] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: east tn can't run unless all regions are allowed to vote on an east tn leader
[01:21] <pace_t_zulu> Svpernova09 orias are either of you willing/able to be west tn point of contact for 6 months?
[01:21] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: um, come back to me on that, cover middle & west first, give me a chance to think
[01:22] <Svpernova09> I would be very reluctant to be a PoC due to my heavy involvement in other projects.
[01:22] <pace_t_zulu> Svpernova09 orias ^ ... till february
[01:22] <orias> Uh same
[01:22] <pace_t_zulu> Svpernova09: understood
[01:22] <pace_t_zulu> orias: understood
[01:22] <orias> what's involved?
[01:23] <Svpernova09> orias and I are actually heavily involved/invested in the local hackerspace
[01:23] <pace_t_zulu> point of contact for that region
[01:23] <cyberanger> interface with the local hackerspace, lug
[01:23] <pace_t_zulu> #MidsouthMakers ?
[01:23] <Svpernova09> Yah
[01:23] <pace_t_zulu> Svpernova09: i don't see why that doesn't make you more qualified for the part
[01:24] <cyberanger> plus I'm sorta an unoffical liasion for the lugs
[01:24] <orias> so how about the group being the point of contact?
[01:24] <cyberanger> maybe host a release party or a meeting every so often
[01:24] <pace_t_zulu> Svpernova09 orias it would have to be one of you two
[01:24] <pace_t_zulu> Svpernova09 orias ... you could host a release party at your hackerspace
[01:25] <cyberanger> better to have somebody aware of limits, than nobody at all
[01:25] <orias> how often?
[01:25] <pace_t_zulu> ^ that would be massive for our loco
[01:25] <cyberanger> release parties are 6 months apart
[01:25] <orias> We have a strong *nix presence
[01:25] <pace_t_zulu> release party is every 6 months
[01:25] <Svpernova09> orias: what do you think about us doing it between the 2 of us?
[01:25] <orias> I'd be comfortable with that
[01:25] <cyberanger> we aim for monthly meetings too, but baby steps
[01:25] <orias> we meet as a hackerspace every week,
[01:26] <cyberanger> netritious & jfenn2199 tried that, worked for a long while
[01:26] <Svpernova09> orias and I see each other every week at least once. And we talk pretty much everyday
[01:26] <cyberanger> longer than your terms
[01:26] <Svpernova09> So....
[01:26] <pace_t_zulu> and a release party is simply a party ... with ubuntu's latest release as an excuse to party
[01:26] <orias> heh
[01:26] <Svpernova09> If we'd work together as a PoC... I think we'd do fine.
[01:26]  * orias will print the shotglasses
[01:26] <orias> thats cool with me
[01:26] <cyberanger> one could turn it into an installfest, but yeah, it's a party at the least
[01:26] <Svpernova09> I can even set up communications via @midsouthmakers.org email for us
[01:26] <Svpernova09> our local LUG tried an installfest recently, not sure what the turnout was
[01:27]  * wrst thinks west tn is in good hands
[01:27] <pace_t_zulu> wouldn't be the first time we've had two PoCs in west tn ... no reason why we can't now
[01:27] <wrst> agreed pace_t_zulu
[01:27] <cyberanger> I nominate orias & Svpernova09 as a duo to run west tn
[01:27] <orias> golum has seemed to stall
[01:27] <pace_t_zulu> i second that nomination
[01:27] <pace_t_zulu> orias Svpernova09 do y'all accept the nomination?
[01:27] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: it worked for over 6 months, this time 6 is the max per term, love the idea
[01:27] <orias> aye
[01:27] <Svpernova09> Sure
[01:27] <pace_t_zulu> motion to vote
[01:28] <pace_t_zulu> on west tn
[01:28] <cyberanger> I deny that motion
[01:28] <pace_t_zulu> oh
[01:28] <pace_t_zulu> ok
[01:28] <cyberanger> until we vote on all members or each region
[01:28] <cyberanger> due to a numbers issue for west & east tn
[01:28] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: ¿por que?
[01:28] <pace_t_zulu> i think i missed an accent or two there
[01:29]  * wrst is just ready to +1 something!
[01:29] <cyberanger> we can't have the two being nominated vote themselves in, same for me in east tn (if I accept that nomination)
[01:29] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: it doesn't get done otherwise
[01:29] <cyberanger> so we need to vote an exception to the normal rule, that all present can vote for all regions
[01:29] <wrst> cyberanger: you need that as a motion for all members to vote on all regions?
[01:29] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: in light of the shorter terms ... i don't see a problem
[01:30] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: +1
[01:30] <wrst> ok I make a motion we allow all members to vote in all regions
[01:30] <cyberanger> yes, I made that motion too, but I didn't hear a second, and then west tn came up
[01:30] <cyberanger> I second
[01:30] <pace_t_zulu> motion to vote on allowing all members present at meeting to vote for all regions in tennessee
[01:30] <wrst> second
[01:30] <wrst> oh yeah :)
[01:30] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: for this meeting
[01:30] <pace_t_zulu> do we need to vote or we're good
[01:30] <cyberanger> as an exeption on the rule
[01:30] <cyberanger> we need to hear all are acceptable, at the least
[01:30] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: you were the one who previously denied the motion
[01:31] <cyberanger> no objections
[01:31] <pace_t_zulu> so i then retable my motion to vote on west tn point of contact
[01:31] <cyberanger> I denied the motion to vote orias & Svpernova09 since they'd be the only ones eligable to vote
[01:31] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i see
[01:31] <cyberanger> not the motion to extend who can vote
[01:31] <pace_t_zulu> lets go
[01:32] <cyberanger> ok, so no objections, everyone can vote on leadership, for this meeting
[01:32] <pace_t_zulu> [vote] orias and Svpernova09 share Point of Contact in East TN
[01:32] <MootBot> Please vote on:  orias and Svpernova09 share Point of Contact in East TN.
[01:32] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[01:32] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-us-tn
[01:32] <pace_t_zulu> +1
[01:32] <MootBot> +1 received from pace_t_zulu. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[01:32] <orangeninja> +1
[01:32] <MootBot> +1 received from orangeninja. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[01:32] <cyberanger> then I withdraw my objection to vote on our west tn duo
[01:32] <cyberanger> +1
[01:32] <MootBot> +1 received from cyberanger. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[01:33] <wrst> +1
[01:33] <MootBot> +1 received from wrst. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[01:33] <orias> +0/+1
[01:33] <Svpernova09> +0
[01:33] <MootBot> Abstention received from Svpernova09. 4 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 4
[01:33] <orias> +0
[01:33] <MootBot> Abstention received from orias. 4 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 4
[01:33] <pace_t_zulu> [endvote]
[01:33] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 2 abstained. Total: 4
[01:33] <pace_t_zulu> congrats orias and Svpernova09 ...
[01:33] <pace_t_zulu> i appreciate you guys stepping up
[01:33] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: can you put an agreed for my motion too then
[01:33] <Svpernova09> woo
[01:33] <cyberanger> for the logs
[01:34] <pace_t_zulu> [agree] all members present at meeting are allowed to vote on point of contact for all regions in tennessee
[01:34] <pace_t_zulu> [agreed] all members present at meeting are allowed to vote on point of contact for all regions in tennessee
[01:34] <MootBot> AGREED received:  all members present at meeting are allowed to vote on point of contact for all regions in tennessee
[01:34] <cyberanger> thanks
[01:34] <pace_t_zulu> [agreed] orias and Svpernova09 share Point of Contact in East TN
[01:34] <MootBot> AGREED received:  orias and Svpernova09 share Point of Contact in East TN
[01:34] <cyberanger> no
[01:34] <cyberanger> west
[01:34] <cyberanger> lol
[01:35] <pace_t_zulu> so again
[01:35] <pace_t_zulu> oops
[01:35] <pace_t_zulu> sorry bout that guys
[01:35] <pace_t_zulu> nice catch cyberanger
[01:35] <pace_t_zulu> [vote] orias and Svpernova09 share Point of Contact in West TN
[01:35] <MootBot> Please vote on:  orias and Svpernova09 share Point of Contact in West TN.
[01:35] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[01:35] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-us-tn
[01:35] <pace_t_zulu> +1
[01:35] <MootBot> +1 received from pace_t_zulu. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[01:35] <orias> +0
[01:35] <MootBot> Abstention received from orias. 1 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 1
[01:35] <Svpernova09> +0
[01:35] <MootBot> Abstention received from Svpernova09. 1 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 1
[01:35] <cyberanger> +1
[01:35] <MootBot> +1 received from cyberanger. 2 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 2
[01:36] <pace_t_zulu> wrst orangeninja ping
[01:36] <wrst> +1
[01:36] <MootBot> +1 received from wrst. 3 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 3
[01:36] <orangeninja> +1
[01:36] <MootBot> +1 received from orangeninja. 4 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 4
[01:36] <pace_t_zulu> [endvote]
[01:36] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 2 abstained. Total: 4
[01:36] <pace_t_zulu> [agreed] orias and Svpernova09 share Point of Contact in West TN
[01:36] <MootBot> AGREED received:  orias and Svpernova09 share Point of Contact in West TN
[01:36] <pace_t_zulu> +1 cyberanger
[01:36] <cyberanger> wish I caught that sooner though
[01:37] <pace_t_zulu> [topic] middle tn point of contact
[01:37] <MootBot> New Topic:  middle tn point of contact
[01:37] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: wish i didn't type it in the first place
[01:37] <cyberanger> I draft...err nominate wrst as middle tn poc
[01:37] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: do you have interest in thise position,
[01:37] <pace_t_zulu> ?
[01:37] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: interest yes, time probably not so much
[01:38]  * cyberanger had been teasing him about it
[01:38] <wrst> wish i could but kid, moving, job etc etc i don't think i would do it justice
[01:38] <cyberanger> wrst: could you give it a try, perhaps split with pace_t_zulu ?
[01:38] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: where are you moving?
[01:38] <wrst> just across town
[01:38] <pace_t_zulu> different address, same town?
[01:38] <pace_t_zulu> cool
[01:38] <cyberanger> I do serously think you'd be good, one in cookeville with an active lug, one in nashville with an equally active lug
[01:38] <cyberanger> wrst: ^
[01:38] <wrst> cyberanger: would I be pace_t_zulu's humble servant yes sir
[01:39] <pace_t_zulu> haha
[01:39] <cyberanger> wrst: co-poc?
[01:39] <pace_t_zulu> no servants round here
[01:39] <cyberanger> or just servant?
[01:39] <wrst> however if pace_t_zulu would like the title and i would assist anyway possible
[01:39] <pace_t_zulu> i'd gladly yield the title to you wrst ...
[01:40] <cyberanger> serously, at the least wrst I do think if you & pace_t_zulu split like west did this past year, and is doing so again
[01:40] <cyberanger> it'd help a huge bit in your region
[01:40] <wrst> i don't care to try that just me making many "live" appearances probably isn't going to be real likely right now for me
[01:40] <cyberanger> I tried that (unoffically) in east tn & it did work, for a time
[01:40] <cyberanger> wrst: live in nashville, cookeville, or at all
[01:41] <pace_t_zulu> orangeninja: do you have anything you'd like to say about this?
[01:41] <wrst> be back in 5
[01:41] <orangeninja> No I would be willing to help any way I could.
[01:41] <pace_t_zulu> well you do have general availablility wrst ... not live - no ... but you are on top of things
[01:42] <wrst> yes and that should continue pace_t_zulu
[01:42] <cyberanger> and we've had alot of live appearances go less than expected, at this point my concern is merely online and local, to the best of eveyone's ability (I could barely get outside my own town for a year)
[01:42] <orangeninja> il help wrst and pace_t_zulu any way i can
[01:42] <wrst> just as long as everyone knows my limitations i'm in for whatever you need me to do
[01:43] <cyberanger> wrst: is that a yes to sharing poc with pace_t_zulu then?
[01:43] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: you are one of our most active members ;)
[01:43]  * cyberanger nominates wrst & pace_t_zulu to share middle tn poc, hopes they'll accept
[01:44] <pace_t_zulu> i accept
[01:44] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: ?
[01:44] <cyberanger> wrst: netritious & jfenn2199 had alot preventing each of them from doing it well, but both of them did manage to pull it off, by splitting the load
[01:46] <cyberanger> 01:41:48             wrst | be back in 5
[01:46] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: perhaps we should come back to middle?
[01:46] <pace_t_zulu> [20:42:41] <wrst> just as long as everyone knows my limitations i'm in for whatever you need me to do
[01:46] <pace_t_zulu> sure
[01:46] <cyberanger> ah, hrm...
[01:46] <pace_t_zulu> [idea] east tn point of contact
[01:46] <MootBot> IDEA received:  east tn point of contact
[01:46] <pace_t_zulu> [topic] east tn point of contact
[01:46] <cyberanger> he made that vauge enough, I see that as an implied acceptance
[01:46] <MootBot> New Topic:  east tn point of contact
[01:47] <pace_t_zulu> i nominate cyberanger
[01:47] <pace_t_zulu> with full knowledge of his unpredictable future
[01:47] <cyberanger> I accept, with an additional reservation (additional to the one pace_t_zulu reminded above)
[01:48] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: it is a 6 month term ... let's not concern ourselves with that
[01:48] <wrst> sorry but cyberangerthat's a yes :)
[01:48] <cyberanger> if somebody from further north in my region steps forward, I would like to split the duties with them
[01:48] <pace_t_zulu> ok, keep that in mind let's pop back to middle tn real quick
[01:48] <cyberanger> it seems to work better, than one guy 50 miles from the rest
[01:48] <pace_t_zulu> [topic] middle tn point of contact
[01:48] <MootBot> New Topic:  middle tn point of contact
[01:49] <pace_t_zulu> motion to vote on middle tn point of contact
[01:49] <cyberanger> I re-nominate pace_t_zulu & wrst splitting middle tn poc
[01:49] <cyberanger> & make a motion to vote as such
[01:49] <pace_t_zulu> we have both accepted
[01:50] <cyberanger> & I make a motion to vote as such
[01:50] <pace_t_zulu> orangeninja orias Svpernova09 ... y'all ready to vote
[01:50] <pace_t_zulu> ?
[01:50] <orias> aye
[01:50] <orangeninja> yes
[01:50] <cyberanger> I'm set
[01:50]  * wrst readies the abstain button
[01:50] <pace_t_zulu> haha
[01:51] <pace_t_zulu> if Svpernova09 doesn't get back quick - i'm going to use the facilities
[01:51] <pace_t_zulu> brb afk
[01:51]  * cyberanger redies the red button labeled nuclear launch in one hand, the +1 in the other, puts on a blindfold & counts to 100
[01:52]  * cyberanger hopes he doesn't mix them up
[01:52] <pace_t_zulu> we've got 3 nonabstaining votes here
[01:52] <pace_t_zulu> that will pass it
[01:52] <pace_t_zulu> Svpernova09: has gone afk ... no telling when he'll be back
[01:53] <pace_t_zulu> [vote]  pace_t_zulu & wrst splitting middle tn poc
[01:53] <MootBot> Please vote on:   pace_t_zulu & wrst splitting middle tn poc.
[01:53] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[01:53] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-us-tn
[01:53] <pace_t_zulu> +0
[01:53] <MootBot> Abstention received from pace_t_zulu. 0 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 0
[01:53] <orangeninja> +1
[01:53] <MootBot> +1 received from orangeninja. 1 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 1
[01:53] <cyberanger> nuclear launch
[01:53] <pace_t_zulu> Svpernova09: ping
[01:53] <wrst> +0
[01:53] <MootBot> Abstention received from wrst. 1 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 1
[01:53] <cyberanger> +1
[01:53] <MootBot> +1 received from cyberanger. 2 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 2
[01:53] <pace_t_zulu> orias: ping
[01:54] <pace_t_zulu> sweet ...
[01:54] <pace_t_zulu> this reinforces why we are trying to move this along
[01:54] <cyberanger> ideally we get at least three, but we have four votes
[01:54] <cyberanger> just two are abstaining
[01:55] <pace_t_zulu> the problem is technical
[01:55] <pace_t_zulu> but mathematically .... it is sort of an issue ....
[01:55] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: yeah, wish some of this was dealt with last month, short meeting & less members at it
[01:56] <pace_t_zulu> though it should be pointed out that the only non abstaing member from the region is a +1
[01:56] <Svpernova09> SOrry, in and out
[01:56] <Svpernova09> +1
[01:56] <MootBot> +1 received from Svpernova09. 3 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 3
[01:56] <cyberanger> yeah, one regional, better than east tn
[01:56] <pace_t_zulu> Svpernova09: \o/
[01:56] <wrst> i hear they have good burgers Svpernova09, never had them
[01:56] <pace_t_zulu> [endvote]
[01:56] <MootBot> Final result is 3 for, 0 against. 2 abstained. Total: 3
[01:56] <pace_t_zulu> [agreed] pace_t_zulu & wrst splitting middle tn poc
[01:56]  * wrst hopes Svpernova09 gets the in and out burger lameness of a joke
[01:56] <MootBot> AGREED received:  pace_t_zulu & wrst splitting middle tn poc
[01:57] <wrst> thanks for the confidence guys
[01:57] <pace_t_zulu> thanks guys
[01:57]  * wrst will try not to disappoint
[01:57] <pace_t_zulu> congrats wrst
[01:57] <orangeninja> congrats!
[01:57] <wrst> you too pace_t_zulu
[01:57] <cyberanger> wrst: you've earned it, over the years
[01:57] <cyberanger> same for you pace_t_zulu
[01:57] <orangeninja> I'll help yall anyway I can guys
[01:57] <pace_t_zulu> moving along ... we need to get this done
[01:57] <pace_t_zulu> thanks guys
[01:57] <wrst> agreed pace_t_zulu :)
[01:57] <pace_t_zulu> [topic] east tn point of contact
[01:57] <MootBot> New Topic:  east tn point of contact
[01:58] <pace_t_zulu> so i nominate cyberanger
[01:58] <wrst> agreed again pace_t_zulu
[01:58] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: I'd like somebody from knoxville or further north to split it with, it worked better that way in the past
[01:58] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger, aforementioned concerns considered ... do you accept?
[01:58] <orias> sorry
[01:58] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: for now you are the best point of contact we have for east tn
[01:58] <cyberanger> and yeah, until I'm compelled to resign due to a move, I do
[01:59] <cyberanger> and yeah, until I'm compelled to resign due to a move, I do accept*
[01:59] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: 6 month term
[01:59] <pace_t_zulu> bueno
[01:59] <orias> is it too late for my +1? >_<
[01:59] <cyberanger> forwarning, I'll be luckly to get half that term
[01:59] <pace_t_zulu> sorry orias ... you can do 2 +1's this time
[01:59] <orias> lol
[01:59] <pace_t_zulu> but only one will count
[01:59]  * wrst thinks pace_t_zulu is flaunting some bilingual goodness tonight
[02:00] <pace_t_zulu> motion to vote on east tn point of contact
[02:00] <wrst> second
[02:00] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: I'm abstaining from that motion
[02:00] <pace_t_zulu> [vote]cyberanger for east tn point of contact
[02:00] <MootBot> Please vote on: cyberanger for east tn point of contact.
[02:00] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[02:00] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-us-tn
[02:00] <pace_t_zulu> +1
[02:00] <MootBot> +1 received from pace_t_zulu. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[02:00] <orangeninja> +1
[02:00] <MootBot> +1 received from orangeninja. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[02:00] <cyberanger> +0
[02:00] <MootBot> Abstention received from cyberanger. 2 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2
[02:00] <wrst> +1
[02:00] <MootBot> +1 received from wrst. 3 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 3
[02:00] <orias> +1
[02:00] <MootBot> +1 received from orias. 4 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 4
[02:00] <pace_t_zulu> Svpernova09: ping
[02:01] <pace_t_zulu> well ... it carries anyway
[02:01] <pace_t_zulu> [endvote]
[02:01] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 4
[02:01] <pace_t_zulu> [agreed] cyberanger for east tn point of contact
[02:01] <MootBot> AGREED received:  cyberanger for east tn point of contact
[02:01] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: all the other members in my region are 50 miles north in knoxville, or further, so if we can look for somebody willing to split it
[02:01] <pace_t_zulu> congrats cyberanger ... you're the right man for the job
[02:02] <wrst> yes you are
[02:02] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: no problem
[02:02] <wrst> cyberanger
[02:02] <orangeninja> congrats!
[02:02] <pace_t_zulu> ok one last topic
[02:02] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: I figure October is the last month at this current rate, however it's likely it'll be shorter
[02:02] <pace_t_zulu> [topic] agenda items for next meeting
[02:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  agenda items for next meeting
[02:02] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: we'll just play it by ear
[02:03] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: will do, just best to notify
[02:03] <pace_t_zulu> [link]http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/tennessee.team/156/detail/
[02:03] <MootBot> LINK received: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/tennessee.team/156/detail/
[02:03] <cyberanger> new item, release party planning
[02:03] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: +1
[02:03] <cyberanger> that'll give us two meetings
[02:04] <cyberanger> Sept. & Oct, the release is last week of Oct. however our release party can be earlier or later
[02:04] <pace_t_zulu> it's been added
[02:04] <pace_t_zulu> Svpernova09: orias orangeninja ... anything y'all would like to pencil into the agenda for next month?
[02:04] <cyberanger> right now I have an unoffical pool of ubuntu cd's, I'll see about building a more offical one for the next release party
[02:05] <cyberanger> and get some of these current ones to nlug per their request
[02:05] <orias> we have a mialing list correct?
[02:05] <orangeninja> pace_t_zulu: no, Nothing I can think of right now.
[02:05] <orias> *mailing
[02:05] <pace_t_zulu> orias: yes we do
[02:05] <cyberanger> orias: correct
[02:05] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: please share info on the mailing list with the group
[02:05] <orias> lets send something out a week, a day before to possibly get more people in irc for the meetings
[02:05] <orias> or even in general
[02:05] <pace_t_zulu> [topic]mailing list information
[02:05] <MootBot> New Topic: mailing list information
[02:06] <pace_t_zulu> orias: +1
[02:06] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: can we add that idea, building an offical cd pool (since I probally won't maintain past 11.10 this unoffical one)
[02:06] <pace_t_zulu> orias: you should always feel welcome to post stuff like that
[02:06] <orias> it'd be nice to have more activity in irc
[02:06] <cyberanger> currently I'm maintaining our list, working on a bug that has made the daily digest feature act like a monthly one
[02:07] <cyberanger> once this bug is fixed I'll be handing over control to pace_t_zulu (unless re requests it sooner)
[02:07] <cyberanger> fetching link
[02:07] <pace_t_zulu> orias: and Svpernova09 if you are interested in becoming admins in the group's various online presences ... let me know
[02:07] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: I never had access to the forums, all other functions have been changed over
[02:08] <cyberanger> mailing list link https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-US-TN
[02:08] <cyberanger> [link]https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-US-TN
[02:08] <MootBot> LINK received: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-US-TN
[02:08] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i'll look into taking responsiblity for our various online presences
[02:09] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: only one your not already in charge of is the forums & mailing list
[02:09] <pace_t_zulu> orias and Svpernova09 if y'all are part of our facebook and/or linkedin groups - you can have elevated privileges in those as well
[02:09] <cyberanger> I've got control of the list, fixing it for you before I hand it over (unless you want it sooner)
[02:09] <cyberanger> the forums you'll have to ask an admin I suppose
[02:10] <pace_t_zulu> hmmm
[02:10] <pace_t_zulu> welcome linuxman410
[02:10] <orias> kk
[02:10] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: I didn't know about facebook having more than one admin as a group feature
[02:11] <linuxman410> pace_t_zulu  how are ya
[02:11] <wrst> cyberanger: yeah you can have several admins on a facebook page
[02:11] <cyberanger> I'm requesting that then (I have all the others covered, forum mod aside)
[02:11] <wrst> *fan page
[02:11] <pace_t_zulu> orias and Svpernova09 we can exchange info via pm
[02:11] <cyberanger> wrst: fan page, that's a little worse in my mind, fan of what, we're a group
[02:12] <wrst> cyberanger: good point ;)
[02:12]  * wrst is no facebook expert
[02:12] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: we can create a group as well
[02:13] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: but i'm a fan of our group ;)
[02:14] <pace_t_zulu> it's been a way to broadcast things on facebook
[02:14] <pace_t_zulu> it's served that purpose well
[02:14] <pace_t_zulu> anyway
[02:14] <pace_t_zulu> does anyone else have any other agenda items?
[02:15] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: did you add the cd pool bit?
[02:15] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: cd pool bit?
[02:15] <cyberanger> create an offical cd pool for the loco
[02:16] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i'll make that an agenda item
[02:16] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: you should fill out the description though ...
[02:16] <cyberanger> obtain (my case for the unoffical pool was buying them) 11.10 cd's for a loco distrubition pool
[02:16] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: sure, I'll do that
[02:17] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i'm making you the "owner" of the agenda item ;)
[02:17] <cyberanger> I have a decent sized pool of natty discs, most are allocated to nlug per a request, the remaining to OLF in ohio, as a TN-LoCo event
[02:18] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i've never had my hands on any pool of release discs
[02:18] <cyberanger> this was an unoffical thing I did as a trustee, out of my pocket
[02:18] <cyberanger> I metioned it once, you missed that meeting, as did jfenn2199 & netritious
[02:18] <pace_t_zulu> ok ... we'll discuss that next month ... it's on the agenda
[02:18] <cyberanger> linuxman410 may have shown up late
[02:18] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: apologies for missing that meeting
[02:19] <pace_t_zulu> january perhaps? i know i miss that one as it was my birthday
[02:19] <cyberanger> I did it cause shipit was just shut down & it was a service that helped me spread ubuntu in the areas around here
[02:19] <linuxman410> cyberanger i did show up late
[02:19] <cyberanger> was thinking november actually
[02:20] <pace_t_zulu> alright... so that's on the agenda for next month
[02:20] <cyberanger> it was closer to natty's release, but at least a month after (disc shortage)
[02:20] <pace_t_zulu> oh
[02:20] <pace_t_zulu> anyway
[02:20] <cyberanger> if we were an offical team, I wouldn't have done that
[02:20] <pace_t_zulu> anyone else have something they want to throw on the agenda for next month's (hopefully shorter meeting)
[02:21] <cyberanger> and yeah, since I bought nearly all the discs, kinda kept that restricted to releasing to each request, and not just giving them out
[02:21] <cyberanger> so I could gauge sucess
[02:21] <cyberanger> seems issue #1 was not announcing it
[02:22] <cyberanger> nothing else from me, atm
[02:22] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i was unaware until now
[02:22] <pace_t_zulu> sorry
[02:22] <pace_t_zulu> so yea, i suppose it didn't receive much attention
[02:23] <pace_t_zulu> so....
[02:23] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: I thought I metioned it in that email I forwarded you (I know I didn't metion it more than that, three times at much)
[02:23] <pace_t_zulu> i'll check it out
[02:23] <cyberanger> um, motion to adjourn?
[02:24] <orangeninja> second
[02:24] <orangeninja> lol
[02:25] <cyberanger> #endmeeting
[02:25] <cyberanger> darn, that's become a habit now
[02:25] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: #endmeeting ?
[02:26] <orangeninja> I'll be back in about 30 minutes to an hour. If we have any other zombie patrolers out there.
[02:30] <pace_t_zulu> #endmeeting
[02:30] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 21:30.
[02:30] <pace_t_zulu> sorry
[02:30] <pace_t_zulu> i was adding admins online
[02:30] <Unit193> He wanted to get it right on the half hour
[02:30] <cyberanger> that's alright, we needed that too
[02:32] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: btw, http://tr.im/nogt is a dead link now
[02:32] <cyberanger> all of tr.im is
[02:32] <cyberanger> do you know where that pointed?
[02:32] <cyberanger> Members add your info http://tr.im/nogt
[02:32] <Unit193> Anyway, to make a note on not used items, it's almost as if we have 2 or even 3 LoCos because people on IRC don't watch the forums much, people on the forums don't watch the ML or IRC and people on the ML don't watch IRC or forums :/
[02:32] <pace_t_zulu> it worked out nice
[02:33]  * cyberanger has considered making his own url shortening service, wonders if it'll work
[02:33] <pace_t_zulu> we have forums?
[02:33] <pace_t_zulu> :D
[02:33] <pace_t_zulu> Svpernova09: ping
[02:33] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: yeah, I'd check them if I could do something with them
[02:33] <cyberanger> it's not been loco stuff since racerraul died
[02:34] <cyberanger> he was big on the forums & I wanted to have a meetup here in cleveland, at that time, about two years ago if I recall the forums were utilized more, becuase of him
[02:35] <cyberanger> he'd chat on IRC, but he & binarymutatn kept our forums alive
[02:35] <cyberanger> binarymutant had mod rights, perhaps he could create more mods for us
[02:35] <cyberanger> if he's still got that privalige
[02:35] <Unit193> pace_t_zulu: *My state is working on fixing it
[02:36]  * cyberanger facepalms
[02:37] <pace_t_zulu> Unit193: what state is that?
[02:38] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: I did have another item, shortly before our last meeting (or somewhere around then, at least) some of us had considered having a wiki jam, of a different sort, helping the wiki team update documentation
[02:38] <Unit193> pace_t_zulu: Ohio, sadly, I only watch IRC and ML but my bot keeps my up with ML and Forums
[02:38] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: feel free to add it
[02:38] <pace_t_zulu> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/tennessee.team/156/detail/
[02:39] <cyberanger> I'll do that (just couldn't help but feel irritated with myself, forgot that twice already I think)
[02:40] <wrst> cyberanger: documentation is something that ubuntu desperately needs
[02:40] <linuxman410> cyberanger klug has not been updated since 2009
[02:40] <cyberanger> wrst: you Unit193 pace_t_zulu & myself were the main four in that conversation
[02:41] <wrst> yes, after using arch you see just how bad it is with ubuntu and it shouldn't be that way
[02:41] <Unit193> pleia was also (I ducked out
[02:42] <cyberanger> and pretty much agreed (with at least you & me pointing out arch's wiki, google & blogs as being more effective, I even metioned using arch's wiki to fix ubuntu :-|)
[02:42] <cyberanger> right, bad nick tab, meant pleia2
[02:42] <wrst> yeah I used arch's wiki to fix ubuntu before i used arch
[02:43] <Unit193> Forums are great
[02:43] <cyberanger> Unit193: I thought you metioned a bit too, but yeah, I do recall pleia2 arriving & you had to step out for well, life outside the optic fibre
[02:43] <wrst> Unit193: yes they are, but if i need to set up my broadcom wireless i shouldn't have to sift through a million forum threads
[02:44] <Unit193> wrst: I very much so agree, just saying that they can be great
[02:45] <wrst> yes they can be but to me the forums should be more for the oddities not the norm
[02:47] <linuxman410> wrst have you ever tried ultimate edition
[02:47] <wrst> linuxman410: no i've seen it but never tried it
[02:48] <wrst> isn't that ubuntu with a billion things added to it?
[02:48] <linuxman410> wrst yes but they have a light version now
[02:49] <wrst> what desktop does it use linuxman410?
[02:49] <linuxman410> wrst lxde the light version
[02:49] <wrst> nice
[02:56] <wrst> good night all
[02:57] <cyberanger> night wrst
[02:57] <linuxman410> cyberanger did ubuntu do a 10.04 lts 3
[02:58] <cyberanger> linuxman410: believe so
[02:58] <cyberanger> yep, they did
[03:03] <pace_t_zulu> team iCal calendar .... http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/tennessee.team/ical
[03:24] <pace_t_zulu> should we be tweeting?
[03:24] <Unit193> Or G+ing? :P
[03:24]  * cyberanger is enough of a twit as is
[03:31] <orias> lol
[04:27] <orangeninja> o/
[04:36] <orias> %/
[04:37] <Unit193> \@
[04:38] <orangeninja> hey guys
[04:38] <orangeninja> what yall up to?
[04:56] <orias> getting ready to crash. you?
[04:57] <Unit193> That's not good if you're in a car...
[04:58] <orangeninja> heh, I'll be up for a few.
[04:58] <orangeninja> Im switching between EVE Online and web surfing.
[04:58] <Unit193> I won't be up for as long as long as normal though
[04:59] <orangeninja> My Saturday night really. I am working Sat and Sun this week.
[09:03] <vychune> Anybody up this mornng?
[10:10] <cosmicpizza> morning
[10:27] <vychune> o/
[12:13] <twayneprice> hey wrst
[12:13] <wrst> hey twayneprice how are you doing?
[12:14] <wrst> was going to ask you about the dyson vacuum on woot yesterday :)
[12:14] <twayneprice> Did you get one?
[12:14] <wrst> no i didn't kinda lost track of things, do you have an opinion on them?
[12:15] <wrst> may get one next time they come around... they always come back around :)
[12:15] <twayneprice> We have one and it has been great.
[12:15] <wrst> ok that's what i needed to hear
[12:15] <wrst> we are needing something new and they look cool
[12:16] <twayneprice> We've had other bagless before and they usually stop working aft a year or so.  We've probably had this one 4 years and it is as good as new.
[12:17] <wrst> that's good to know we will probably give one a spin
[12:18] <twayneprice> We got ours from woot.  :)
[12:19] <wrst> cool
[12:19] <wrst> i guess we will too
[12:52] <vychune_> hey guys
[14:12] <cyberanger> hey Xpistos
[14:12] <cyberanger> missed a great
[14:13] <Xpistos> What up
[14:13] <cyberanger> great meeting*
[14:13] <Xpistos> great what?
[14:13] <Xpistos> last night?
[14:13] <cyberanger> yeah
[14:13] <Xpistos> Dude, I was stressing over the Cowboys&Aliens Review last night
[14:13] <vychune> damn i forgot
[14:13] <Xpistos> what is the url for the minutes
[14:13] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu is trustee & sharing middle poc with wrst
[14:13]  * Xpistos forgot
[14:13] <Xpistos> what?
[14:14] <Xpistos> wrst is poc for middle?
[14:14] <cyberanger> with pace_t_zulu
[14:14] <cyberanger> like jfenn2199 & netritious did in middle tn
[14:14] <cyberanger> and pace_t_zulu is also the trustee
[14:15] <cyberanger> we shortened term lengths as well, they're now 6 months
[14:15] <cyberanger> lemme see if the logs are up (if not, I've got my own)
[14:23] <cyberanger> Xpistos: http://sprunge.us/DRhA
[14:23] <cyberanger> vychune: ^
[14:23] <cyberanger> that's my logs, cropped to the meeting only
[14:26] <cyberanger> Xpistos: orias and Svpernova09 are west tn poc, and I'm east tn
[14:26] <cyberanger> that pretty well sums up the meeting
[14:28] <cyberanger> Xpistos: Cowboys & Aliens, hrm, worth watching?
[14:28] <Xpistos> I gave it a 3.5
[14:29] <vychune> dang
[14:30] <cyberanger> for comparison, Jonah hex?
[14:30] <Xpistos> better
[14:30] <Xpistos> I gave jonah hex a 2
[14:32] <cyberanger> well, then this is a movie to catch
[14:35] <cyberanger> you make them work for a 5 don't you?
[14:47] <pace_t_zulu> Xpistos: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/tennessee.team
[14:47] <pace_t_zulu> Xpistos: iCal Feed - http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/tennessee.team/ical
[15:02]  * wrst peeks in
[15:03]  * vychune sees him
[15:09] <Xpistos> cyberanger: Now i have some time to focus. pace_t_zulu is the head of the LOCO not basically? Is that right? and he and wrst are my capos?
[15:10]  * wrst waves to vychune
[15:10] <vychune> o/
[15:11] <Xpistos> cyberanger: I do make the movies work for it now. I was too free with the 5's before this one
[15:11] <Xpistos> cyberanger: we have reviewed 7 movies totall this summer
[15:12] <Xpistos> Thor, Priest, X-Men: First Class, Green Lantern, Transformers: Dark of the Moon,  Captain America and now Cowboys & Aliens
[15:12] <Xpistos> That is all we are planning to do, but if someone wants to do a review, then the can let us know
[15:51] <pace_t_zulu> Xpistos: ^ what you were asking cyberanger ... yes
[15:51] <pace_t_zulu> Xpistos: you want to update www.ubuntu-tennessee.org ?
[16:02] <pace_t_zulu> updated the leadership page on ubuntu-tennessee.org ... http://www.ubuntu-tennessee.org/leadership/
[16:24] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: just added a blog post at www.ubuntu-tennessee.org that had been building up for a week or so :)
[16:26] <Xpistos> pace_t_zulu: thanks
[16:28] <wrst> howdy Xpistos
[16:29] <Xpistos> congrats my Capo
[16:29] <Xpistos> anybody I need to Whack?
[16:29] <wrst> Xpistos: capo?
[16:30] <wrst> I use that on a guitar :)
[16:30] <Xpistos> Capo is short for Captain. Like a mob boss
[16:30] <wrst> or even... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caporegime
[16:31]  * wrst = lunch
[16:55] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: nice ...
[16:55] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: blog posts are great for our group
[16:55] <wrst> have a couple more in the ol' brain I will try to put out there
[16:56] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: let's see if we can draw more attention to it
[17:03] <cyberanger> Xpistos: I'll keep that in mind
[17:04] <Xpistos> cool
[17:04] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: Xpistos cyberanger 'like' the top post (a link to wrst's blog post) ... https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ubuntu-Tennessee/134857110680
[17:04] <Xpistos> If you are interested I will give you the script (just a frame work of what we want in the show  and how to begin and end then it is all you.
[17:06] <pace_t_zulu> have we lost mhall119? :(
[17:06] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: yeah, for the moment at least
[17:06] <pace_t_zulu> he's logged in ... he isn't hanging out at here atm
[17:38] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i need to get info regarding ownership of ubuntu-tennesee.org, it's dns hosting and its www hosting
[17:40] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: ok, lemme see here
[17:52] <vychune> o/
[17:53] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: see pm
[17:56] <starsprout> howdy folks
[17:56] <starsprout> How much would one expect to pay for a reliable hosting package for a resource-heavy, high traffic site?
[17:58] <vychune> 15 a month?
[17:59] <cyberanger> resource heavy, high traffic, more than that, however could you define it a little better
[17:59] <cyberanger> that's vauge, open to interput
[17:59] <starsprout> one of my customers on my VPS has a database heavy (he's a cartoonist) site
[17:59] <starsprout> and his traffic just jumped to over 2,000 visitors/month. this morning he had a comic published on another site and it caused overload
[18:00] <vychune> damn
[18:00] <starsprout> my hosting company keeps trying to sell me a dedicated server but it's 3x the cost of my VPS
[18:06] <starsprout> OR- does anyone know a good Dedicated Server provider with cPanel/WHM?
[18:06] <starsprout> :-)
[18:06] <cyberanger> starsprout: came from another site, somebody big like reddit or dig?
[18:07] <cyberanger> reason I ask is maybe what he really needs is a CDN, http://codeen.cs.princeton.edu/
[18:13] <wrst> starsprout: i've used hostgator they have some interesting options pretty cheap but never had a high traffic situation wtih them
[18:18] <starsprout> yeah, I may as well just get another hostnine account and separate my sites more wisely :-)
[18:20] <wrst> hostgator is a very linux friendly place also
[18:20] <starsprout> regarding a CDN, do I understand I could use that to take the load off my server?
[18:30] <cyberanger> starsprout: yes, same concept in a way to a proxy
[18:31] <cyberanger> not necessarlly simple, but I've done it & it does work, it can be cheaper
[18:31] <cyberanger> (in the case of codeen, free)
[18:48] <orias> why not use a vps? How much monthly traffic?
[18:49] <vychune> orias: i think he said he has one
[18:49] <orias> ahh
[18:49]  * orias likes ovh
[18:49] <vychune> ovh?
[20:09] <wrst> cyberanger, pace_t_zulu thought this was interesting: http://airurando.wordpress.com/2011/06/25/my-first-experience-of-the-ubuntu-loco-team-re-approval-process-first-of-many-i-hope/
[20:13] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: excellent link
[20:13] <pace_t_zulu> thanks
[20:14] <wrst> thought that was pretty good, pace_t_zulu just looking at stuff we are called Tennessee Team and everyone else seems to be called Ubuntu- insert location here, is that normal?
[20:14] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger wrst it would help if you guys "like" the "Ubuntu is Still a Good Distro | Ubuntu Tennessee" link i posted to Ubuntu Tennessee on Facebook .... Ubuntu is Still a Good Distro | Ubuntu Tennessee
[20:15] <wrst> ahh ok i hated to like my own work pace_t_zulu but will do :)
[20:15] <pace_t_zulu> orias: vychune starsprout ^ y'all too if it isn't an inconvenience
[20:15] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: looks like i have or atleast an admin has
[20:19] <orias> I have
[20:45] <starsprout> pace_t_zulu, I don't do facebook :-( but I do like Ubuntu :-)
[20:46] <starsprout> thx cyberanger for the CDN tip, btw. we are moving the customer off my VPS to another cheap host, but will implement a CDN system for his domain only
[20:46] <starsprout> :D
[20:46] <starsprout> then I'm shopping for a new VPS because the one I have is a 2-year-old package and equates to a ripoff at this point
[21:52] <cosmicpizza> hi there
[21:53] <cosmicpizza> someone can test my ftp ?
[21:53] <cosmicpizza> ftp server
[22:34] <cyberanger> starsprout: cool
[22:34] <cyberanger> cosmicpizza: sure, however you might want to wait 8-10 hours, get some sleep
[22:35] <cyberanger> 0034 there isn't it
[22:35] <cyberanger> (might actually be more like 12-14 for me to be awake too)


[19:40] <studio-user828> https://unixmold.blogspot.md/search?q=linux - how to install linux for Snap


[07:52] <exobyte> hi
[07:53] <exobyte> nicee
[21:02] <NaccN> hello
[21:02] <NaccN> i have question
[21:03] <NaccN> what are the system requirements for Lubuntu 20.04?
[21:10] <wxl> NaccN: not much. amd64, for sure, though. what is your particular concern?
 @wxl [<wxl> NaccN: not much. amd64, for sure, though. what is your particular concern?], with two cores and two gigas of ram, it goes perfect
[21:17] <wxl> with less, it still works :)
[21:34] <NaccN> i have a 1.6ghz cpu and 2gb ram. will it work well? It's an old computer
[21:37] <tomreyn> hi NaccN (aka Copesito?)
[21:38] <tomreyn> wxl will know better, but i assume 2 gb ram is not really enough
 @tomreyn [<tomreyn> wxl will know better, but i assume 2 gb ram is not really enough], it is enough for normal use
[21:58] <NaccN> should i stick with 18.04?
[22:02] <guiverc> NaccN, 2gb ram, in my opinion it'll depend on what you do, and expect from the box. I still use devices with 1gb, but I'm very careful with what I do & how I do it when ram is <4gb  (even at 4gb I tend to think before I start programs & consider what else is using ram)
[22:12] <tomreyn> my "normal use" involves firefox with dozens of open tabs
[22:13] <tomreyn> even with fast ddr4, zram, swapping to nvme, this would be a pain with just 2gb ram
[22:14] <tomreyn> and if you're unlucky those 2 gb are actually less due to integrated graphics eating some of it for video memory


[09:17] <Blank__> :|
[17:48] <prep> Having issues with Jack
[17:50] <holstein> hey prep
[17:50] <holstein> whats the trouble?
[17:50] <prep> hey holstein
[17:50] <prep> crashes on start
[17:50] <holstein> OK
[17:50] <holstein> what sound device are you using?
[17:50] <prep> let me get you the log
[17:51] <prep> just the built in card, had it working once under Wubi, decided to do a complete Ubuntu install after grub failed
[17:52] <prep> I'm test driving to decide if I want to make the move to Linux, longtime Mac user, tired of the Kool-Aid
[17:53] <prep> Here's the log
[17:53] <prep> Please check your /etc/security/limits.conf for the following lines and correct/add them:   @audio          -       rtprio          100   @audio          -       nice            -10 After applying these changes, please re-login in order for them to take effect. You don't appear to have a sane system configuration. It is very likely that you encounter xruns. Please apply all the above mentioned changes and start jack again! 11:52:3
[17:53] <holstein> OK
[17:53] <holstein> what is the output of
[17:53] <holstein> uname -a
[17:54] <prep> I'm sorry, I don't understand
[17:54] <holstein> in a terminal
[17:54] <holstein> run that
[17:54] <holstein> uname -a
[17:55] <prep> In the Terminal, I get  "laptop 2.6.32-24-generic #39-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jul 28 06:07:29 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux"
[17:56] <holstein> OK
[17:56] <holstein> start jack control
[17:56] <holstein> but dont start JACK yet
[17:56] <holstein> click on 'setup'
[17:56] <prep> Ok
[17:56] <holstein> on the left side there is a checkbox for 'realtime'
[17:56] <prep> checked
[17:56] <holstein> make sure that is unchecked
[17:56] <prep> Ok
[17:57] <holstein> down in the lower right
[17:57] <holstein> there is latency in ms
[17:57] <holstein> msecs
[17:57] <prep> ok
[17:57] <holstein> what is that?
[17:57] <prep> 46.4
[17:57] <holstein> OK
[17:57] <holstein> thats good for now
[17:58] <holstein> click OK or SAVE or whatever
[17:58] <holstein> and close that
[17:58] <prep> done
[17:58] <holstein> and get back to the main JACK window
[17:58] <holstein> and try starting it
[17:58] <prep> same
[17:58] <holstein> OK
[17:58] <holstein> close that
[17:58] <holstein> open a terminal
[17:58] <holstein> tyrp
[17:58] <holstein> type*
[17:58] <holstein> sudo qjackctl
[17:59] <holstein> and click start
[17:59] <prep> working, what was the issue?
[17:59] <holstein> OK
[17:59] <holstein> so stop it
[17:59] <holstein> and close that
[17:59] <holstein> and lets troubleshoot some permissions
[18:00] <holstein> you should be in the audio group
[18:00] <prep> Ok
[18:00] <holstein> but lets double check
[18:00] <holstein> run
[18:00] <holstein> sudo adduser YOU audio
[18:00] <holstein> for me
[18:00] <holstein> it would be
[18:00] <holstein> sudo adduser holstein audio
[18:00] <prep> done
[18:00] <holstein> what did it say?
[18:00] <prep> user added
[18:00] <holstein> AH
[18:01] <holstein> so that was probably it then
[18:01] <prep> wasn't added was I?
[18:01] <holstein> if you were, it should have said
[18:01] <holstein> user is already a member of that group
[18:01] <holstein> or something like that
[18:01] <holstein> anyways
[18:01] <holstein> try starting jack control again
[18:01] <holstein> and see if it starts
[18:01] <holstein> you might need to log out for that to take effect
[18:01]  * holstein cant remember
[18:01] <prep> working
[18:02] <holstein> COOL
[18:02] <holstein> SO
[18:02] <holstein> there are a couple things we tweak
[18:02] <holstein> stop JACK
[18:02] <prep> doen
[18:02] <prep> done
[18:02] <holstein> and open 'setup'
[18:02] <prep> Ok
[18:02] <holstein> you see in the middle
[18:03] <holstein> sample rate is usually cool at 44100
[18:03] <prep> I see all over, ha.
[18:03] <prep> yes
[18:03] <holstein> but the others
[18:03] <holstein> frames/period
[18:03] <holstein> and periods/buffer
[18:03] <holstein> those are the ones you can tweak
[18:03] <holstein> to get you latency lower
[18:03] <holstein> *if needed*
[18:04] <holstein> with that internal interface and a generic kernel
[18:04] <holstein> 46.4 is fine
[18:04] <holstein> but if you plug in a midi keyboard
[18:04] <holstein> and try to play a soft synth
[18:04] <holstein> you hit a note
[18:04] <holstein> and 46.4 msecs later
[18:04] <holstein> you hear the sound
[18:05] <prep> Ah ok.  Yes, Presonus
[18:06] <holstein> cool
[18:06] <holstein> prep: its a bit challenging to get started
[18:06] <holstein> but quite worth it
[18:06] <prep> I'm a recording engineer, work for Apple, getting jaded
[18:06] <holstein> there really is nothing like JACK
[18:07] <holstein> i use ardrou and JACK on OSX occasianally
[18:07] <holstein> ardour*
[18:07] <prep> I've been reading on it for the last few years
[18:07] <prep> I like Ardour, but I need MIDI
[18:07] <holstein> well, welcome :)
[18:07] <holstein> ardour is going to get it
[18:07] <prep> what do you produce?
[18:07] <holstein> soon actually
[18:07] <holstein> but with JACK
[18:07] <prep> what I read, would be a godsend
[18:08] <holstein> you can use whatever you want with ardour
[18:08] <prep> Familiar with MSI?
[18:08] <holstein> maybe
[18:08] <holstein> im thinking MSI the computer company though
[18:08] <holstein> like the MSI wind
[18:08] <prep> Looking at a new laptop, i5 from them
[18:08] <holstein> thats probably not what you are talking about
[18:08] <holstein> prep: OH ok
[18:09] <holstein> let me throw a couple links at you
[18:09] <holstein> http://opensourcemusician.libsyn.com/
[18:09] <holstein> http://wootangent.net/category/music/tutorials/
[18:09] <prep> Just sold my last Mac Book Pro, just too exensive to run Linux on a Mac, I love the hardware though
[18:09] <holstein> that last one is a friends blog over in #opensourcemusicians
[18:09] <holstein> [lsd]
[18:09] <holstein> he does a ot of MIDI in linux
[18:10] <prep> sweet, thanks
[18:10] <prep> Glad you responded, big help
[18:10] <holstein> anytime
[18:11] <prep> Those links will come in handy in my journey
[18:11] <holstein> i get around 2 msecs latency with my firepod
[18:11] <holstein> stable
[18:11] <prep> what! nICE
[18:11] <holstein> thats with 8 tracks recording at once
[18:11] <prep> Where you located?
[18:12] <holstein> asheville north carolina
[18:12] <prep> I'm in Nashville
[18:12] <holstein> cool
[18:12] <holstein> i got a friend up there
[18:12] <holstein> jimmy dulin
[18:12] <holstein> havent talked to him in years though
[18:12] <prep> Not familiar
[18:13] <holstein> i went to school with brian sutton ;)
[18:13] <holstein> i think he would remember me
[18:13] <holstein> we used to play a little back then
[18:13] <prep> I'm looking for other users in my area, the whole idea of open source appeals to me. I'm from Mississippi originally
[18:13] <holstein> hmm
[18:13] <prep> I'm jaded on the whole Nashville scene
[18:13] <holstein> is there a loco channel?
[18:13] <holstein> for nasheville
[18:14] <prep> found one on Ubuntu, mostly older gents
[18:14] <holstein> well, that wont necessarily help with audio
[18:14] <prep> nope
[18:14] <holstein> the one here is great
[18:14] <holstein> but im really the only audio guy
[18:14] <prep> y'all have the whole jam band vibe going
[18:14] <holstein> hehe
[18:14] <holstein> some of us
[18:14] <holstein> i hardly ever play here
[18:14] <holstein> its challening to make money in asheville
[18:15] <holstein> i drive to charlotte or greenville or where ever
[18:15] <holstein> havnet made it up to nashville yet
[18:15] <prep> I produce drum and bass. I dj'd years ago, tech house, switched recently to d&b.
[18:15] <holstein> i go up to NYC though
[18:15] <holstein> thats more where jazz is happening
[18:15] <prep> Well, the live show scene is excellent
[18:15] <prep> you play jazz?
[18:15] <holstein> but i hear nashville has a jazz scene
[18:15] <holstein> yeah
[18:15] <holstein> well, i play a lot of stuff
[18:16] <holstein> but thats what i get paid for mostly
[18:16] <prep> I like Miles, Coltrane, Chic, Herbie
[18:16] <holstein> cool
[18:16] <holstein> we did a chick corea concert here
[18:16] <holstein> it was great
[18:16] <prep> last year wasn't?
[18:16] <holstein> had an acoustic set and an electric one
[18:16] <holstein> well, a cover band
[18:16] <prep> ah, Herbie played last Sunday night
[18:17] <prep> Ryman
[18:17] <holstein> cool
[18:17] <holstein> i caught herbie here in ashevill
[18:17] <holstein> it was just OK really
[18:17] <holstein> the first tune was great
[18:17] <holstein> and then, because of the moog thing
[18:17] <prep> glad to meet someone finally that knows linux audio
[18:17] <prep> Jaco's son lives here
[18:17] <prep> I want to come to moog Fest
[18:17] <holstein> he announced bringing an asheville native to the stage
[18:17] <holstein> and it was a moog keyboard
[18:18] <holstein> that he did not no how to use
[18:18] <prep> nice one
[18:18] <prep> ha
[18:18] <holstein> so we all paid to see herbie learn where the controls are on a moog
[18:18] <holstein> while they played watermelon man
[18:18] <prep> weird, thought that was his thing
[18:18] <holstein> and the hippies danced
[18:18] <holstein> well, he played an ARP
[18:18] <holstein> AFAIK
[18:18] <holstein> on those old albums
[18:19] <holstein> and the technolgy has changed a lot anyways
[18:19] <prep> yeah, he did, just thought he'd be well versed in analogue
[18:19] <prep> true
[18:19] <holstein> i left
[18:19] <holstein> but that first tune was great
[18:19] <prep> lol, I would have too
[18:19] <holstein> a 25 minute 'dolphin dance'
[18:19] <holstein> terri lynn carington on drums
[18:19] <holstein> she rocked it
[18:20] <prep> I'm excited to see what linux audio has in store in the future
[18:20]  * holstein too
[18:20] <prep> tom tom club is here in Sept
[18:20] <prep> break out my best Byrne moves
[18:21] <holstein> hehe
[18:21] <prep> well time for lunch, much obliged. Any more links to share?
[18:21] <holstein> i can find some for next time :)
[18:21] <holstein> prep: IF
[18:21] <holstein> you install and boot a realtime kernel
[18:21] <holstein> just re-check that box
[18:21] <holstein> and your good to go
[18:22] <holstein> but i would just 'kick the tires' as is
[18:22] <prep> roger that. Take care man. I will be purchasing that MSI soon, and looking back at Presonus.
[18:22] <holstein> laterx...
[18:22] <prep> this is my GF's old ass Presario to kick tires with
[18:22] <prep> easy killa
[18:24] <prep> one last question
[18:24] <holstein> sure
[18:24] <prep> I fired up amSynth, made connections, getting no output
[18:25] <holstein> you got a MIDI USB keyboard?
[18:25] <prep> yep, korg NanoKey
[18:25] <holstein> where did you make the connections?
[18:25] <holstein> in that main jack panel
[18:25] <prep> Nanokey out to amSynth In
[18:26] <holstein> you click 'connect'
[18:26] <holstein> then there are 3 tabs
[18:26] <holstein> one is 'audio'
[18:26] <holstein> and the other 2 are for midi
[18:26] <prep> Ok
[18:26] <holstein> it can be a little confusing
[18:26] <holstein> most of what i do midi-related is over in the alsa tabe
[18:26] <holstein> tab*
[18:26] <holstein> prep: there are little + signs
[18:26] <holstein> in there
[18:26] <holstein> you click those to expand everything
[18:27] <holstein> your used to a patchbay i bet
[18:27] <holstein> so once you get everything showing up there
[18:27] <holstein> an expanded
[18:27] <holstein> and*
[18:27] <holstein> you'll make sense of it quick
[18:27] <prep> got it working, MIDI channel was wrong
[18:27] <holstein> AH
[18:27] <holstein> cool
[18:27] <holstein> :)
[18:27] <prep> Know to get MIDI control over the parameters?
[18:28]  * holstein rarely does midi
[18:28] <holstein> but the folks over in #opensourcemusicians know
[18:28] <holstein> and are very helpful
[18:28] <prep> well I have a bigger MIDI control with assignable knobs, ok, cool
[18:29] <prep> will check, thanks again, later
[18:29] <holstein> :)
[20:15] <maheanuu> IaOrana Ia Oe hello to all
[20:16] <holstein> hey maheanuu
[20:16] <maheanuu> I installed US over Lucid 10.04 and now am re installing a lot of the apps that dropped off the ends of the earth and also am having a devil of a time trying to rip and convert audio files
[20:17] <maheanuu> Hello Holstein
[20:17] <holstein> right
[20:17] <holstein> in the future
[20:17] <holstein> you can just add the studio apps the lucid
[20:17] <holstein> or maverick by then :)
[20:17] <holstein> or whatever
[20:17] <holstein> rip from CD?
[20:18] <holstein> there are some questionable codecs you need
[20:18] <holstein> if your working with mp3's
[20:18] <maheanuu> My major problem is that I am in the middle of the south pacific 5000miles from any help or anyone that uses Linux
[20:19] <holstein> you can run sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[20:19] <holstein> well, your here now :)
[20:20] <maheanuu> I ripped about 20 discs yesterday and then found Asunder was only ripping and storing in the AVI format and I cannot find how to get in and configure it or Gnac correctly
[20:21] <maheanuu> And I am gonna book mark you....    I am not at the end of the world, I am over it
[20:21] <holstein> hehe
[20:21] <holstein> so your ripping DVD's
[20:22] <holstein> yeah, i just get netflix these days
[20:22] <holstein> and comply with the US laws
[20:22] <holstein> pretty much
[20:22] <maheanuu> that is what I am working with, I finally weaned myself from lil bill and his printing press (for him) and I am spending a lot of time learning and learning and learning
[20:22] <holstein> cool
[20:22] <holstein> well, it can be done, im sure
[20:23] <holstein> did you install that package?
[20:23] <holstein> ubuntu-restricted-extras
[20:23] <maheanuu> I have cds that are getting to the point of not playing and i cannot replace them as I am here forever
[20:24] <maheanuu> that is where I am headed now
[20:24] <holstein> well, try installing that stuff
[20:24] <holstein> and restarting
[20:24] <holstein> hmmm
[20:24] <holstein> acutally you shouldnt need to restart or logout
[20:24] <holstein> anyways, if that doesnt do it, you need to check on what your grabbing from
[20:25] <holstein> and what your converting to
[20:25] <holstein> if the cd's are damaged, thats about all you can do
[20:25] <holstein> maybe too damaged to read
[20:25] <maheanuu> I am running it now and it is going to take awhile as our DSL here is about as a 28k modem
[20:26] <holstein> yup
[20:26] <holstein> its a lot of stuff too
[20:26] <holstein> but you can get it sorted out
[20:26] <holstein> ubuntustudio wont help you with that though
[20:26] <holstein> the studio packages are for pro audio and video
[20:26] <holstein> and graphics
[20:27] <maheanuu>  am just trying to save what I can and also I am going to be putting about 5k of cassettes on mp3 also before they go bad also
[20:27] <holstein> nothing special or different by the way of codecs in it
[20:28] <maheanuu> I know and that is why I am presently trying to learn it...   I live on the island of Raiatea and I am trying to get the locals interested in using something worth while and seperate from Windoze
[20:29] <maheanuu> just checked my download speed according to our post office I am getting 58kbps
[20:29] <maheanuu> I have been using Gimp for years and love it
[20:30] <maheanuu> I haven't had to do very many restarts unless it was fooling with the kernel
[20:31] <maheanuu> I used to be (eons ago) a field engineer for Sperry Univacd
[20:32] <maheanuu> I moved here to French Polynesia and now I am playing ketchup....   and am older than dirt among other attributes
[20:34] <maheanuu> I have been studying and learning all my life and that is a long long time.....  I find that I can't seem to find it in me to let go and quit...  I am always trying to learn something
[20:36] <holstein> thats great :)
[20:36] <holstein> i feel the same way
[20:36]  * holstein is a tinkerer
[20:37] <maheanuu> Ok am in the installation mode now.....
[20:38] <maheanuu> where are you located holstein?
[20:38] <holstein> ashville north carolina US
[20:38] <holstein> asheville*
[20:39] <maheanuu> Ok, that is a beautiful place I passed thru there way back in the 50's on my way to Cecil field in Jax fla
[20:40] <maheanuu> I spent most of my navy career in Asia, did a 2 month stint at Cecil and was transferred back to Japan
[20:40] <holstein> yeah, i like it here
[20:41] <holstein> just got a place downtown this year
[20:41]  * holstein was living up in the woods
[20:41] <holstein> that was nice too
[20:41] <maheanuu> I retired out in 74 and became a sperry univac field engineer and rite back to the Navy this time as a LCDR equiv and a lot better pay
[20:41] <holstein> nice
[20:42] <maheanuu> I immigrated here in 77 and became a citizen in 84 when my mil obligations were fulfilled
[20:44] <maheanuu> Ok, I am done and now I will go to asunder and Gnac and see if I can configure them and get them to play nice with me......   Thanks much for your time and I WILL be back....
[20:45] <holstein> maheanuu: anytime
[21:57] <prep> I cannot get Bristol to load properly. Some GUI's open, others, black box, then shuts. No sound ever.
[23:14] <holstein> prep: bristol only?
[23:15] <holstein> you might need to relax your JACK settings more
[23:15] <holstein> some of that might be bristol
[23:15] <holstein> some of it might be the generic kernel
[23:15]  * persia never had much luck with running bristol
[23:15] <holstein> yeah
[23:16] <holstein> i was going to say, i havnet tried bristol in a while, but when i did, i quickly found other soft synths i liked better
[23:16] <holstein> zynaddsubfx or yoshi
[23:16] <holstein> xsynth
[23:16] <holstein> whysynth
[23:17] <persia> whysynth is nice
[23:53] <prep> cool, thanks for the 411


[00:00] <wxl> (also not a serious gamer)
 Anyway, I will try to test
 @TheWendyPower you could tell me how to set the default themes to give you time for the other things I can make (or would do it uglier than hell)
 *can't
 @HMollerCl [@TheWendyPower you could tell me how to set the default themes to give you time …], I honestly do not know yet. I'm still learning myself! I'll find out and share, as it is another thing on the list to be learned.
 @TheWendyPower [I honestly do not know yet. I'm still learning myself! I'll find out and share, …], Tell me how did you do the clock in sddm and I will find my way
[00:07] <wxl> i'll show you her commit
[00:08] <wxl> https://phab.lubuntu.me/rARTbcfc86174cec88d9444bd9804ab7a4083c5a50fe
 The clock was editing the main.qml file for the Lubuntu sddm theme. Then it was submitted (with help, as it was my first commit). ... Setting the default themes, that is a new mountain to climb. 😉
 I'm sure there is a config file that needs to edited, just not sure which one (yet).
 @wxl [<wxl> we can set QuickExec but then EVERY app will automatically execute and tha …], @wxl could you turn this on in the live environment and then turn it back off after install? Still kludgy but maybe functional. I will dig on the issues page a bit to see if anyone else has submitted something.
[00:17] <wxl> @kc2bez yeah just trying to avoid the cludge. i'll make the change last minute if i have to
 gotcha
 @wxl [<wxl> https://phab.lubuntu.me/rARTbcfc86174cec88d9444bd9804ab7a4083c5a50fe], Where is the code to pull from?
[00:25] <wxl> @HMollerCl look at the top and you'll see Diffusion > Lubuntu Artowrk > bcfc86174cec .. click on Lubuntu Artwork to see the code base.
[00:47] <Wafficus> hey wxl, did you try looking in Calamares.src.modules.welcome.WelcomePage.ui?
[00:48] <Wafficus> this looks like this might be the about section that greets the user first, maybe we could stick a radio button for the minimal installation here?
[00:48] <wxl> Wafficus: honestly i haven't looked at it much more than in a cursory way
[00:48] <Wafficus> gotcha, that's my research so far for today
[00:48] <wxl> keep up the good work!
[00:49] <Wafficus> I was doing some deep dives, and couldn't find anything in the interactive directory
[00:49] <Wafficus> i think though what we're looking for are .ui files
[00:49] <wxl>  🌟
[00:49] <Wafficus> that is, if it really is a matter of adding a radio button that is
[00:49] <wxl> i think that's probably true
[00:49] <Wafficus> *interactiveterminal directory that is
[00:49] <wxl> except i'm not sure it's actually the welcome
[00:49] <Wafficus> gotcha
[00:50] <wxl> it might be easier just to ask #calamares
[00:50] <wxl> they'll probably be like "oh it's right here"
[00:50] <Wafficus> I tried earlier today during work
[00:50] <Wafficus> i'll try again briefly
[00:50] <wxl> it's best to just idle there
[00:51] <wxl> errand time
 mmm, ?ḿ not sure the files I need to change are there. There are the themes, but I can't find teh files whic decide which will be teh default. Example, GTK3 override are stored in ./config/lxqt/lxqt-config-appearance.conf and  ./config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini which is created by lxqt-config-appearance.
 @wxl ^
 Right, so we need to figure out how to either set that in the XDG settings or have lxqt-session check for it. Both are doable.
[01:01] <Wafficus> question, so how do I do commits back to github if I've never created a repository?
[01:01] <Wafficus> for it *
[01:02] <Wafficus> like I have a "lubuntu" directory with some of my reserach notes to look for .ui files for that issue regarding radio buttons
[01:02] <Wafficus> is this a "commit" command?
 @tsimonq2 [Right, so we need to figure out how to either set that in the XDG settings or ha …], will have to do further investigation
 @HMollerCl [mmm, ?ḿ not sure the files I need to change are there. There are the themes, but …], Ya, the section I edited was just for the Lubuntu sddm theme. I'll look too.
 @Wafficus [<Wafficus> question, so how do I do commits back to github if I've never created …], That is something I've never done also. I guess first step is making sure your profile is all set up on github.
 @TheWendyPower @wxl I could easily add the blue border to the arc theme here, I don't know if that is the way or changing it upstream or what.
 searching for lxqt-config-apperance I found this picture. Apparently a SDDM Configuration exist in Configuration Center, I don't have it (maybe becasue I do autologin??)  https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-config/blob/master/lxqt-config.png
 @TheWendyPower @wxl ^
[01:57] <Wafficus> question, so if I'm doing "research" for the one bug, would I fork off that in the github repository?
[01:57] <Wafficus> or would I keep making notes as cases in the launchpad case?
[01:57] <Wafficus> or the phab site that is
[01:59] <Wafficus> gonna just add a comment in that particular bug
[02:01] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T32: Calamares should let the user pick what applications they WANT to use] SBanya (Samuel Banya) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T32#1488
[02:36] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T32: Calamares should let the user pick what applications they WANT to use] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T32#1489
[02:37] <wxl> @HMollerCl i'm not sure upstream would accept it, but we can certainly make our own thing, just as we have the Lubuntu Arc theme which is our variant of Arc
[02:39] <wxl> also @HMollerCl that lxqt-config.png looks oddly like KDE, which means i bet it's using KWin. that might add some other modules in, maybe?
[02:41] <wxl> OH
[02:41] <wxl> nevermind
[02:41] <wxl> it's sddm-config-editor
[02:42] <wxl> which you'll see listed here https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/lubuntu_2/
[02:42] <wxl> tl;dr it's packaged for debian but we're waiting for them to pick it up
[02:43] <wxl> it's actually pretty solid. i've tried it out and it seems good
 @wxl Am I on the right path with this? https://github.com/lxqt/libfm-qt/pull/242
 Hello 😬😬 to everyone. I am really interested in contributing to Lubuntu , though I am not an expert coder. Is there some point from where I can learn how to contribute for Lubuntu.
[02:58] <wxl> @kc2bez great work! let me dig a little further into this
 Awesome! happy to be useful.
[02:58] <wxl> @aalpanigrahi welcome! there is certainly a place for you here! at minimum you can help with testing, filing bug reports, and triaging bug reports
[02:59] <wxl> @aalpanigrahi most of the work we're doing doesn't involve a lot of coding. the heavy lifting is done upstream. some little tweaks here and there is mostly what we do. if you know *anything* about code you can probably help out, especially if you're willing to learn
 Thank you. So where can I start @lubuntu_bot ?
[03:02] <wxl> @aalpanigrahi here's some of the stuff we're working on for the next release https://phab.lubuntu.me/T53 and here's some of the stuff we're planning on for the release after, but wouldn't mind having in the next release https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/lubuntu_2/
[03:02] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Unbreak Now!, Open] Must haves for 18.10 release: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T53
 Cool , I will join right away.
[03:03] <wxl> @aalpanigrahi btw @lubuntu_bot is just a bridge to our IRC channel. you can mention the nick that comes after it (wxl in my case) if you want to get someone's attention on irc
[03:03] <wxl> @aalpanigrahi here's some info on testing https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/testing/
[03:03] <wxl> @allpanigrahi bugs are discussed there, too
[03:03] <wxl> ping if you have questions! and THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 @HMollerCl I think the blue border on the active window looks great. Let's leave the inactive window with just the gray border (no change). You could share the finished tweaks on your launchpad or github, if you wanted to.  ... I will have to look and see if I can find that SDDM config in the configuration center. I couldn't fin
 @wxl do you ever sleep?
[13:51] <wxl> @TheWendyPower i just woke up so yes :)
 @TheWendyPower thanks! I will read that and made the blue border only for active. @wxl Should we create a new theme or just modify the existing LubuntuArc?  ... Regarding SDDM-config, as per @wxl comment and link (https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/lubuntu_2/) sddm-config-editr will be added in 19.04
[14:19] <wxl> @HMollerCl if you mean the Lubuntu Arc in Openbox config, that's ours, so have at it
[14:19] <wxl> also re: sddm-config-editor, i *COULD* put it in a PPA
[14:28] <wxl> you back in action today @tsimonq2 ?
 @wxl [<wxl> you back in action today @tsimonq2 ?], Not today, I'll probably be in bed after school.
[14:29] <wxl> okie dokie :(
[14:32] <wxl> omg what magic is this? i just added a ppa with `add-apt-repository` and it automatically updated
[14:32] <wxl> man these devs are really on it
 @wxl [<wxl> man these devs are really on it], juliank did that right after being hired by Foundations last cycle.
 He also reworked MoM and did a bunch of other really useful things.
 Go buy him a tea :)
[14:33] <wxl> :)
 @wxl question, I cloned lubuntu-artwork make the changes then git add -A and git commit. Where should I make the git push to?
 I mean, I don't know how to do teh branch thing
[15:01] <wxl> @HMollerCl to be clear which repo did you clone?
 https://git.launchpad.net/~usd-import-team/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-artwork
[15:02] <wxl> usd-import-team..... weird
 that's the one it shows when the green buton "Clone" is pressed in https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/lubuntu-artwork-archive/repository/ubuntu%252Fdevel/
[15:03] <wxl> well you can push it to somethere in your own account e.g. ~youruser/lubuntu-artwork
[15:03] <wxl> oh
[15:04] <wxl> that's the problem
[15:04] <wxl> you're using the archive one
[15:04] <wxl> you want https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/lubuntu-artwork/
[15:04] <wxl> @tsimonq2: ^ maybe we should make the archive mirrors non public?
[15:05] <wxl> if you cloned the right mirror on phabricator, you can just use arcanist
[15:05] <wxl> https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/packaging-tutorial/
[15:05] <wxl> you can even ignore all the packaging stuff there and just do git clone; (make changes); arc diff
[15:05] <wxl> and we'll fix up the rest for you
[15:05] <wxl> but extra bonus points if you do the packaging. it's fairly trivial
 ok, and when I push it to my account, how/when did you know to merge them? (I remember the things I did in teh kernel where not pushed to my account)
[15:07] <wxl> launchpad has a similar, albeit more annoying process as differential, called a merge proposal
[15:07] <wxl> not unlike the pull request of github, though, it requires a web interface, which i loathe
[15:07] <wxl> more better to do it all on phabricator :)
 ok, done. I hope people like the blue border.
[15:21] <wxl> done where to be clear?
 https://code.launchpad.net/~hmollercl/lubuntu-artwork/+git/lubuntu-artwork
[15:23] <wxl> did you click the "propose for merging" button?
 nope
[15:23] <wxl> do that
 I'm looking where it is
[15:23] <wxl> and it should lead you through what to do after that
 Target branch: ??
[15:24] <wxl> ubuntu/cosmic
 ok, now it's done
[15:26] <wxl> good job :)
[15:27] <wxl> next time, phabricator. way easier
 BTW, I found the problem I had with featherpad in which changes were not persistent. ~/.config/featherpad/fp.conf owner was root. In latest daily I didn't had the problem
[15:30] <wxl> XD
[15:43] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T59: Investigate Bluetooth Fun] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T59#1471
[15:49] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T59: Investigate Bluetooth Fun] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T59#1471
[15:52] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T59: Investigate Bluetooth Fun] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T59#1491
[15:53] <wxl> off to work
[15:54] <wxl> but before i do something i forgot for @HMollerCl 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
[16:59] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T59: Investigate Bluetooth Fun] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T59#1492
 @wxl [<wxl> @TheWendyPower i just woke up so yes :)], It does happen! 😉
 @HMollerCl [ok, now it's done], Awesome!


[01:19] <tigrang> Is anyone else experiencing this with build 6.12.0daily13.03.20-0ubuntu1 - maximize a window, then restore it, the window border and actions becomes unresponsive.
[01:20] <tigrang> (not sure if directly related to unity)
[01:26] <bschaefer> tigrang, its a regression that has been fixed
[01:26] <bschaefer> should be pushed out monday I would hope
[01:26] <bschaefer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1158161
[01:27] <tigrang> nice, thank you
[01:28] <tigrang> I feel pretty dumb now, I thought I messed up something and spent an hour trying to fix it before I just re-installed ubuntu last night - wish I found that bug report heh
[01:32] <bschaefer> :), well re-installing it told you it wasn't your fault
[02:03] <tigrang> Yea good to know I'm not *that* dumb :P
[02:10]  * bschaefer use to do that more often then he would like to admit
[03:12] <tigrang> This may be because I have a slow computer, but after making minor changing and building, it still takes a couple minutes - is that normal? Are there any tips to making it build faster (I'm already using -j4 concurrency)? Thanks