[00:04] <PriceChild> edge's ui is now odd
[00:05] <nalioth> say what?
[00:06] <PriceChild> launchpad
[00:06] <PriceChild> read broken
[02:02]  * Hobbsee grumbles at emma
[02:05] <jussi01> Hobbsee: what now?
[02:05] <Hobbsee> she's going and bugging other people to remove the bans i set on her.  and all she seems to do is put ":)
[02:06] <Hobbsee> " in channels, every once in a while
[02:06]  * Hobbsee could write a bot to do that...
[02:06] <Mez> whats emmas full name anyways?
[02:06] <tritium> Haven't we had trouble with emma for a long time now?
[02:07] <Hobbsee> tritium: yup
[02:07] <Mez> it's not Emma Jane Hogbin is it?
[02:07] <Hobbsee> no
[02:07] <Dave2> no, that would be emmajane.
[02:07] <Hobbsee> tha'ts emmajane on irc
[02:07] <Mez> ok
[02:07] <Mez> thought so
[02:09] <Hobbsee> it's more hte point where she does progress from dumping smiley faces randomly in channel, gets told off for it, and ends up arguing in here for hours over it that i'm thinking of
[02:09] <Hobbsee> and wondering if it's worth it
[02:10] <Hobbsee> and the probability that it ends up happening like that, vs the probability that she'll actually start doing useful development stuff
[02:10] <jussi01> Hobbsee: IMHO we have a lot more problems than someone dumping an occaisional smiley in a channel. Id suggest someone have a private word to her ( I can do that if you like) and see what happens.
[02:11] <Hobbsee> jussi01: other people have already wasted hours in private with her.
[02:11] <Hobbsee> jussi01: but i'm planning to be more strict on -devel anyway.  about the fact that it's really not a support channel.
[02:12] <jussi01> Hobbsee: Ive talked sometime in private with her - and things got better after I did.
[02:12] <Hobbsee> jussi01: she's one of the few on my "do not contact me, or i'll report you for harassment" list.
[02:12] <Hobbsee> which is even stronger than my ignore list.
[02:12] <Hobbsee> in fact, she's the only one on there, apart from paddy.
[02:13] <jussi01> Hobbsee: Ill have a word anyway - is there any other problem apart from the smileys?
[02:17] <Mez> Hmm...
[02:17] <Mez> I forgot I posted that on youtube.
[02:17] <Mez> See Mez do Magic: http://youtube.com/watch?v=KANikzPe1gM
[02:19] <tritium> Mez: that's you?
[02:19] <Mez> tritium, yeah
[02:19] <tritium> cool
[02:20] <Mez> he.. actually - rewatching that video - wasnt a bad attempt after all.
[02:20] <tritium> :)
[02:21] <Mez> tritium, what do you think?
[02:21] <tritium> Mez: excellent!
[02:21] <Mez> haha, one of the most basic tricks I know - but impressive nontheless
[02:23] <jussi01> Mez: you are up late
[02:23] <Mez> yp
[02:23] <jussi01> mind - me also
[02:24] <jussi01> @now helsinki
[02:24] <Mez> hehe... I just sorta stayed up a lil
[02:24] <Mez> @now London
[02:32] <Mez> actually, that color change is lame
[02:41] <Hobbsee> jussi01: no, i don't think so
[02:41] <Hobbsee> actually, i'll swap it to a +q, so she'll be able to lurk
[05:28] <Jucato> ugh! is there a policy that says I can ban-redirect non-English speaking users into the proper channel?
[05:29] <tritium> Not specifically, but I don't think it would be inappropriate after first asking them to either speak English, or join the channel of their language.
[05:30] <Jucato> how about using !es on them for like... 4 times?
[05:30] <tritium> Oh, definitely.
[05:30] <tritium> redirecting them is kind of you
[05:31] <Jucato> although it's a bit more complicated than that...
[05:31] <tritium> (as opposed to simply muting or banning)
[05:31] <tonyyarusso> Jucato: I've done it before.
[07:07]  * bazhang goes to check the forums
[07:07] <tritium> bazhang: URL?
[07:09] <bazhang> tritium, not found yet
[07:10] <tritium> ok
[07:10] <bazhang> suspect it was just trolling
[07:10] <tritium> perhaps
[07:11] <bazhang> not a thing about mgs dude or spartans video
[07:11] <tritium> ah
[07:12] <bazhang> mgs being metal gear solid and not exactly ubuntu support material :)
[08:59] <gnomefreak> the bot does do !info packagename intrepid right?
[09:02] <bazhang> !info pastebinit intrepid
[09:06] <gnomefreak> bazhang: you running intrepid?
[09:06] <bazhang> gnomefreak, tempted but not yet :)
[09:07] <gnomefreak> bazhang: ah ok i cant find nspluginwrapper and we have no intent on removing it :(
[09:13] <bazhang> http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/nspluginwrapper gnomefreak
[09:13] <gnomefreak> than why doesnt bot know it and apt-cache doesnt know it
[09:14] <bazhang> seems the bot is still catching up :)
[09:14] <gnomefreak> bazhang: but apt-cache policy nor apt-cache search see it
[09:14] <bazhang> gnomefreak, that is odd.
[09:14] <gnomefreak> why do i feel im going to be merging this
[09:15] <gnomefreak> i need amd64 to test but search should still give it since its in the repos (there is no 64bit repos they are all mixed)
[09:16] <bazhang> wish I had an answer
[09:19] <gnomefreak> me too :(
[09:19] <gnomefreak> i wish people would learn to file bugs instead of asking how to fix this in the kenrel :(
[09:19] <gnomefreak> kernel == hardest package in Ubuntu to fix/build
[09:21] <bazhang> it worries me that so many newcomers in #ubuntu so blithely want to hack their kernels
[09:28] <gnomefreak> bazhang: yep kernel is not something to screw with if you havent done it many times before
[09:28] <gnomefreak> i dont touch kernels anymore i learned my lesson
[09:29] <bazhang> yet so many mess something up and then ask 'fix it for me!'
[09:29] <bazhang> cf yao_ziyuan yesterday
[10:41] <Myrtti> nomnom
[13:22] <gnomefreak> anyone know if you have to run compiz to use avant-window-navigator?
[13:23] <Myrtti> you need to run ... hold on, forgot the word
[13:24] <Myrtti> DA THING no...
[13:24] <Myrtti> composite atleast
[13:24] <Myrtti> might be compiz too
[13:33] <dmseg> hello, auditing will start now at 6:02PM IST (non-freenode) time every conversation will be loged and displayed on public boards for auditing thankyou
[13:34] <Myrtti> a-ha
[13:34] <Myrtti> well this conversation is logged anyway
[13:36] <dennda> dmseg: ??
[13:39] <dennda> ping PriceChild
[13:41] <elkbuntu> !logs
[13:41] <elkbuntu> have fun, dmesg
[13:42] <dmseg> elkbuntu: ohh thankx sorry to barge in like this but this has to be done ill chek out the logs (do you have anything you want to improve in #ubuntu-ops) PriceChild: are you available to talk about the IRC team thing
[13:42] <dennda> elkbuntu: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/79218/ ;)
[13:43] <dennda> I don't quite get the meaning of this
[13:43] <elkbuntu> dennda, nor do i.
[13:43] <Mez> @btlogin
[13:43] <Myrtti> neither do I
[13:44]  * Mez is confused
[13:44] <elkbuntu> dmseg, you're not adding any value to this channel, and you're only here to stir trouble. none of us appreciate this and hence i advise you move along.
[13:44] <Myrtti> I don't get the whole purpose of this?
[13:44] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, he's trying to scare us
[13:45] <Myrtti> well that I know
[13:45] <dmseg> huh audit! ill see the logs thankyou very rude i must say
[13:45] <Mez> dmseg, please see /msg
[13:45] <elkbuntu> dmseg, yes, you are being quite rude.
[13:46] <dmseg> logs will tell me i got that
[13:46] <ikonia> dmseg: the channel is logged.
[13:46] <Myrtti> oh noes, I'm getting wrinkles to my forehead for raising my eyebrows so strongly
[13:46] <gnomefreak> thanks Myrtti
[13:47] <dmseg> kk
[13:47]  * Mez headdesks.
[13:47]  * Mez pms dmesg to find out whats going on
[13:47]  * Myrtti hands Mez a pillow
[13:47] <ikonia> gnomefreak: if you've got time I wanted to blast a short document across for an opinion
[13:47] <ikonia> as in - I don't want you to look at it now, just when you've got a minute
[13:47] <dmseg> i will see the logs thankyou done heh i dont get whats the confussion
[13:48] <ikonia> dmseg: what are you talking about auditing this channel ?
[13:48] <gnomefreak> ikonia: pm me the link i will look at it when i come back going to get a drink and smoke
[13:48] <ikonia> dmseg: and why does this "have to be done" ?
[13:48] <gnomefreak> what is wrong with this channel?
[13:48] <ikonia> gnomefreak: perfect, no rush, just a second set of eyes, mapped out multi-lib and wanted an opinion if I've broke anything/missed anything, I ask you because I've bored you with this before
[13:49] <dmseg> sorry i will leave you will be pmed with public response
[13:49] <gnomefreak> ikonia: i never get bored
[13:49] <dennda> dmseg: Bye.
[13:49] <dmseg> thankyou
[13:49] <gnomefreak> be back in a few
[13:49] <ikonia> gnomefreak: thanks
[13:50] <gnomefreak> np
[13:50] <Hobbsee> dmseg: where will you be making these logs public to?
[13:50] <dmseg> heh no only support/abuse/bans/kicks will be show all else is useless to me
[13:51] <Hobbsee> well, seeing as none of the above is happening, i can't see your reason for staying.
[13:52] <dennda> I was under the impression he was on his way out anyway.
[13:52]  * Myrtti retreats in orderly fashion
[13:52] <dmseg> Hobbsee: i might consider this but logs will tell thankyou all great job you guys do a great job here very well
[13:53] <Mez> someone care to explain to me wtf that's all about - seeing as he doesnt seem to want to via /msg
[13:54] <Myrtti> Mez: I think we all are equally boggled
[13:54] <dennda> Apparently spybots became human after all
[13:54] <Myrtti> PriceChild has explained why he has been removed from ops team in launchpad
[13:54] <dennda> (They still have some glitches, though)
[13:54] <Hobbsee> dennda: well, that was known
[13:54] <ikonia> Mez: I believe pricechild rejected his applicaton for ubuntu-irc on launchpad and he's not too happy about it
[13:54] <Myrtti> but it still doesn't explain that behaviour totally
[13:55] <Mez> Myrtti, was he ever in ops team?
[13:55] <ikonia> probably logging the channel to find fault with existing people to make his case that $X said this so they should not be allowed either
[13:55] <Myrtti> s/ops/irc/
[13:55] <Myrtti> Mez: tbh, I dunno
[13:55] <Hobbsee> Myrtti: most things like that can be accounted as bitterness
[13:55] <Myrtti> Hobbsee: true
[13:56] <Mez> he's quit the network now too...
[13:56] <Myrtti> And I just seriously got a headache for frowning so much
[13:56] <Mez> hmm - who has power to edit the ubuntu-irc team anyways?
[13:56] <Mez> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-irc/ - wrong link to bantracker
[13:57] <Myrtti> council I think
[13:57] <Mez> yeah, the council
[13:58]  * Mez is still totally confused by dmseg
[13:58]  * wgrant adds some further confusion.
[13:59] <Mez> hmmm.. does LjL fall under " We reserve the right to remove idlers from the channel " :P
[13:59] <Myrtti> Mez: LOL
[14:01] <Myrtti> hmmm I want licorice fudge
[14:01] <Mez> just dont have liquorice schnapps... horrible stuff
[14:01] <Mez> (and yet I still drank a load on Monday)
[14:01] <Myrtti> Mez: oh, we've got lot more horrible stuff here
[14:02] <Myrtti> AHA!
[14:02] <Myrtti> now I know what to bring as a "Greets from Finland" gift :-D
[14:03] <Mez> ?
[14:03] <Myrtti> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salmiakki_Koskenkorva
[14:04] <Mez> sounds like a sausage gun (salami kalashnikov)
[14:04] <Nafallo> ooooh
[14:04] <Nafallo> that sounds extremely good :-)
[14:05]  * Nafallo knowing what Koskenkorva actually is and all... ;-)
[14:05] <Mez> you like the idea of a sausage gun Nafallo ?
[14:06] <Nafallo> Mez: no. Salmiakki Koskenkorva
[14:06] <Myrtti> oh the days when being a student meant you could get a salmari shot with 1.6€
[14:06] <Myrtti> and the morning afters with your socks sticking on the floor
[14:09] <gnomefreak> ikonia: ok im back
[14:10] <ikonia> gnomefreak: just getting stuff together
[14:10] <gnomefreak> ikonia: ok ill be around for a little while to clean up from yesterday that i didnt finish
[14:10] <ikonia> cool
[14:10] <ikonia> I'll nudge over the link, just look when you have time, it's not urgent and I've spotted some errors already
[14:11] <gnomefreak> ok
[14:18] <PriceChild> dmesg was back...
[14:18] <PriceChild> ok next time he returns, if I'm not here again, someone else feel free to deal with him.
[14:18] <PriceChild> See https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-irc
[14:18] <PriceChild> Specifically "The IRC Council accepts new members to this group after observing the sustained positive contribution of an operator in one or more Ubuntu channels."
[14:19] <Mez> PriceChild, care to explain to us what it's all about?
[14:19] <PriceChild> ie if they're not an op, or are an op in an obscure channel and the ircc doesn't participate there, then they can't satisfy that criteria
[14:21] <PriceChild> when this person applying is someone i've never heard of, (ie not someone active in channels i'm in despite not being an op/doesn't list a nick on launchpad) I will usually decline the application straight-off.
[14:22] <ikonia> PriceChild: is he in any channels ?
[14:22] <PriceChild> /whois says he isn't online
[14:22] <ikonia> I mean in general
[14:23] <ikonia> has he said he's a regular in $X channel ?
[14:23] <PriceChild> Uuu edge has tidied up a bit.
[14:23] <ikonia> I've never seen him, hence the ask
[14:23] <PriceChild> I have absolutely no idea.
[14:24] <ikonia> PriceChild: do you know what this auditing stuff he's on about is all about ?
[14:25] <PriceChild> I would guess he thinks its a good idea he informs channels via a script that he keeps full logs of channels he enters which may end up on the net.
[14:26] <ikonia> all seemed a bit random
[14:27] <gnomefreak> thats a bad idea
[14:36] <Mez> I looked soooo wrong with purple hair
[14:37] <Mez> http://files.sourceguru.net/pics/2003_1029_214548AA.sized.jpg
[14:59] <Myrtti> nomnom waffles
[15:31] <jussi01> ikonia: ...
[15:31] <ikonia> I know I know
[15:31] <ikonia> tab
[15:32] <ikonia> sorry
[15:32] <jussi01> ikonia: :P
[15:32] <Mez> ?
[15:32] <jussi01> Mez: nothing ping in #u
[15:32] <jussi01> :P
[15:33] <ikonia> jussi01: we know how much you like time wasting pings
[15:33]  * jussi01 gets out his chomping machhine...
[15:33] <ikonia> ha
[15:36]  * Hobbsee feeds ikonia to the Green Monster Of Doom.
[15:36] <ikonia> how does that relate to the stick ?
[15:37] <Myrtti> Hobbsee: not to Australian dingos?
[15:37] <Myrtti> or Tasmanian devils?
[15:37] <Hobbsee> nah...they have enough to eat
[15:43] <jussi01> argh
[15:44] <jussi01> why can I get the xine plugin for mozilla to fuilscreen grr
[15:44] <Hobbsee> ikonia: the Green Monster Of Doom minds the stick, in conjunction with the Orange, Pink, Yellow, Blue and Purple Monsters of Doom, while i'm asleep.
[15:45] <Hobbsee> and you can never get it off them
[15:45] <ikonia> interesting
[15:45]  * Hobbsee notes the orange one is getting scrawny
[15:45]  * Hobbsee feeds Myrtti to the Orange Monster Of Doom.
[15:51] <Myrtti> thanks. I've always liked sunflowers.
[15:55] <Myrtti> just a thought - it might just be that I will *not* be wearing pink at LRL
[15:55] <Myrtti> blasphemy, I know.
[15:58] <Mez> :O
[15:58] <Mez> purple?
[15:58] <Myrtti> green, black and blue
[15:58] <Myrtti> though my jacket is pink...
[15:59] <Mez> no purple ?
[15:59] <Myrtti> (COSS.fi shirt is green, Nomovok shirt is black and GNOME shirt is blue)
[15:59] <Mez>  :(
[15:59] <Myrtti> I don't think I've got anything purple akshully
[15:59] <Mez> until you steal my KDE shirt that is :P
[15:59] <Mez> (thought thats blue)
[15:59] <Myrtti> ych KDE
[16:00] <Myrtti> :-Å
[16:00] <Mez> you should get yourself a PHPWomen Tshirt :D
[16:00] <Myrtti> :-P *
[16:00] <Myrtti> oooooohhh
[16:00] <Mez> they're a lovely purple
[16:30] <Myrtti> time to start and get wasted, tatah.
[16:43] <bazhang> fri13 in #ubuntu
[16:46] <ikonia> whats up ?
[16:46] <bazhang> he's claiming that ubuntu cannot connect to open wifi networks
[16:46] <ikonia> how odd, I was on there yesterday
[16:47] <ikonia> as in an open access point
[16:47] <bazhang> I've done it countless times.
[16:47] <bazhang> yes
[16:47] <ikonia> and my one at home doesn't use any encyption, so that could be "open" classed
[16:47] <ikonia> there was a bug in gnome with a specific intel driver though
[16:47] <ikonia> you had to do a work around
[16:47] <ikonia> that was in 7.10 I think
[16:47] <ikonia> seen no sign of it in 8.04
[16:47] <bazhang> said he is writing an article, but it turns out he was just sniffing packets (he has left)
[16:48] <ikonia> ah
[16:48] <ikonia> there was an issue in 7.10 where gnome said it had set the card to no-encyption, but it hadn't, you had to iwconfig it to disable it
[16:48] <ikonia> but that was only with a specific intel driver
[16:49] <bazhang> he said that network manager in 8.04 simply could not connect.
[16:49] <bazhang> demonstrably false statement.
[16:50] <ikonia> not seen it in 8.04, but there was elements of truth in that for 7.10
[16:50] <bazhang> I have an intel card and never seen that.
[16:51] <bazhang> in any version of ubuntu from dapper onwards.
[16:51] <bazhang> maybe he was really running hoary :)
[16:51] <ikonia> it was only specific models, and only through gnome - the actual issue wasn't with the card or the wirless tools, just gnome not actually setting it
[16:52] <bazhang> hmm that is odd.
[16:52] <bazhang> but he claimed it for hardy heron.
[16:52] <ikonia> not seen a sniff of it in 8, although there could be an element of truth in there, but the work around is easy
[16:54] <ikonia> majortool is going to be an issue
[16:54] <bazhang> as is sebnaitses in ot
[16:54] <ikonia> ...or not
[16:58] <SebNaitsabes> banned from Ubuntu for stupid reasons,  and I came there origianlly to see if I could help someone.
[16:58] <bazhang> SebNaitsabes, how may we assist you
[16:58] <bazhang> SebNaitsabes> !ubottu bazhangidiot
[16:58] <SebNaitsabes> bazhang your not a mod are you?
[16:59] <jussi01> SebNaitsabes: everyone in here with +v is an operator
[16:59] <SebNaitsabes> I can't see if that's you
[16:59] <bazhang> SebNaitsabes, you were repeatedly asked to cease being offtopic
[16:59] <SebNaitsabes> are you a mod or not?
[17:00] <SebNaitsabes> if so that would make me the idiot :d
[17:01] <bazhang> SebNaitsabes, I let the convo with you and xerxes go on a long time
[17:01] <ikonia>  in #ubuntu irssi is giving me pain due to "channel not in sync"
[17:01] <jussi01> SebNaitsabes: bazhang is an operator in #ubuntu
[17:01] <bazhang> SebNaitsabes, and then you came back and started again and were asked to stop.
[17:01] <SebNaitsabes> then went off topic on something else yes
[17:02] <bazhang> SebNaitsabes, then you sent some bot commands to myself and ikonia that were not appropriate and further offtopic.
[17:02] <SebNaitsabes> ,but yes seems I am the idiot for calling a mod an idiot
[17:02] <SebNaitsabes> sorry about that
[17:03] <SebNaitsabes> yes, because  it seems go slighty offtopic and all that stuff about being off topic and it's annoying
[17:03] <bazhang> there is an ot channel for that SebNaitsabes ; #ubuntu is a very busy channel.
[17:03] <SebNaitsabes> yeah I am in there to
[17:03] <bazhang> SebNaitsabes, you were asked politely to refrain.
[17:04] <bazhang> SebNaitsabes, which you then ignored, and sent jokey bot commands.
[17:04] <SebNaitsabes> take #Windows or a channel like that,  and people go off topic loads and it dosan't really matter there it seems
[17:04] <bazhang> SebNaitsabes, this is not ##windows or other channel.
[17:04] <SebNaitsabes> yes
[17:04] <SebNaitsabes> ,but why is Ubuntu so strict?
[17:04] <jussi01> SebNaitsabes: we have rules for a reason - its up to you to follow them or not be there.
[17:04] <SebNaitsabes> ,because it's a very busy channel?
[17:05] <bazhang> SebNaitsabes, first of all it is a very busy channel.
[17:05] <SebNaitsabes> and?
[17:05] <bazhang> SebNaitsabes, you really want to drag this out?
[17:06] <bazhang> SebNaitsabes, ie you feel you were somehow wronged?
[17:06] <SebNaitsabes> yes people going off topic can be annoying in a channel.  peopel flooding the channel also
[17:06] <bazhang> SebNaitsabes, there are channel rules.
[17:06] <bazhang> SebNaitsabes, that you chose to ignore.
[17:07] <SebNaitsabes> how long does a bann last?  assuming a mod does not just unbann
[17:08] <ompaul> @btlogin
[17:08] <ompaul> well that depends
[17:08]  * ompaul lagggggggs
[17:08] <ompaul> so much it is silly
[17:08] <bazhang> !guidelines | SebNaitsabes read this
[17:09] <bazhang> !coc | SebNaitsabes and this
[17:10] <bazhang> SebNaitsabes, please read those and let us know when you understand them, and why you were banned.
[17:10] <SebNaitsabes> over a thousand people in the channel at the same time
[17:10] <ompaul> SebNaitsabes, and?
[17:10] <SebNaitsabes> and many people I think just leave there comps in the channel and are not really there
[17:10] <ompaul> so
[17:11] <ompaul> is this going somewhere?
[17:11] <ompaul> please read those urls
[17:11] <ompaul> then consult with the ops in question
[17:11] <ompaul> btw please part in the interim
[17:11] <SebNaitsabes> The operators of the channel do lots of work to keep the channel friendly and to keep people happy.  and tend to do a good job of that it seems,  resulting in me being banned from it today though
[17:12] <ompaul> SebNaitsabes, please read those urls and part until you have read them thanks
[17:15] <SebNaitsabes> yeah fair enough I got banned
[17:20] <bazhang> taken care of
[17:20] <PriceChild> SebNaitsabes: just because bazhang is an operator, does not mean he is right, nor that he deserves more respect of better treatment than anyone else in that channel.
[17:20] <SebNaitsabes> agreed
[17:20] <SebNaitsabes> however on this one he was right
[17:22] <SebNaitsabes> wonders why Icqnumber called the ops
[17:22]  * nickrud has a hard time understanding how bazhang could be wrong. ompaul, on the other hand ...
[17:23] <bazhang> SebNaitsabes, you have read those links?
[17:23] <SebNaitsabes> yes
[17:23] <bazhang> SebNaitsabes, and you understand why you were banned?
[17:23] <SebNaitsabes> yes
[17:23] <bazhang> SebNaitsabes, the reason being?
[17:23] <SebNaitsabes> ,because I broke the rules
[17:24] <SebNaitsabes> and made a newsance of myself as a result
[17:24] <bazhang> SebNaitsabes, I am willing to revisit this in 24 hrs time
[17:24] <SebNaitsabes> meaning I am banned for 24 hours?
[17:25] <bazhang> SebNaitsabes, would you come here tomorrow to talk about it?
[17:25] <SebNaitsabes> maybe
[17:25] <SebNaitsabes> or probably depends
[17:26] <SebNaitsabes> banned for 24 hours hummmmmmmmmm  that's pretty strict, and over little things to
[17:26] <bazhang> SebNaitsabes, that is a very minimum; it can be longer if you wish.
[17:27] <SebNaitsabes> no thanks :D  I think i'll take the 24 hours then
[17:27] <bazhang> SebNaitsabes, best to part now and we can chat again tomorrow.
[17:27] <ompaul> SebNaitsabes, give us a shout at that point - have a good day
[17:28] <SebNaitsabes> part
[17:28] <SebNaitsabes> well
[17:28] <SebNaitsabes> just this channel?
[17:28] <ompaul> yeap
[17:28] <bazhang> SebNaitsabes, yes
[17:28] <SebNaitsabes> ok not  offtopic and kubuntu then
[17:29] <ompaul> no
[17:29] <ompaul> just be aware that bans in one channel are not topic of conversation in others
[17:29] <SebNaitsabes> no?
[17:29] <SebNaitsabes> ,but sure you guy are probalby in offtopic to
[17:29] <SebNaitsabes> you guys
[17:30] <ompaul> we are
[17:30] <SebNaitsabes> exactly
[17:30] <ompaul> but we don't talk about other channel bans
[17:30] <ompaul> you are removed from one channel;
[17:30] <ompaul> we can assist you if your requirement is to be removed from others
[17:30] <SebNaitsabes> and I could get banned from offtopic if I was to mention it there, that's what your saying?
[17:30] <ompaul> however I doubt that :)
[17:31] <ompaul> yes that would certainly happen
[17:31] <SebNaitsabes> ok
[17:31] <SebNaitsabes> well bye then
[17:31] <ompaul> give us a yell tomorrow
[17:31] <ompaul> cheers
[17:35] <bazhang>  Neo_The_User<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu
[17:36] <ikonia> is that the neoguy that was a banned from about 10 channels the other day ?
[17:36] <bazhang> yup
[17:36] <ompaul> ikonia, the network dropped lots of
[17:37] <ompaul> history
[17:37] <bazhang> I banned in #ubuntu
[17:37] <ompaul> I just took out anything beofer the network
[17:37] <bazhang> seems he is ban-evading again.
[17:37] <ompaul> no
[17:37] <bazhang> oh okay.
[17:37] <ompaul> unless you banned by name
[17:37] <ompaul> I only take out IP
[17:37] <bazhang> both name and ip
[17:37] <ompaul> if real name I never thouch
[17:37] <ompaul> touch
[17:38]  * ompaul plods back though his records
[17:38] <ompaul> * ompaul removes ban on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:38] <ompaul> 8 something this morning
[17:38] <ompaul> that is the ban that was set
[17:38] <bazhang> aha
[17:38] <ompaul> if it had been anything else
[17:39] <ompaul> it would not have been removed
[17:39] <bazhang> he was ban-evading sometime ago (like 8 times)
[17:39] <ompaul> I really don't go near user(any wild card)@*
[17:39] <ompaul> unless they turn up here
[17:39] <bazhang> though that was I was using Konversation
[17:40] <ompaul> you experimenter you :)
[17:40] <bazhang> haha
[17:40] <ompaul> check your logs
[17:40] <bazhang> got most of canada iirc :)
[17:40] <ompaul> lovely
[17:40] <ompaul> you blaming canada again?
[17:40] <bazhang> hehe
[17:40] <bazhang> always.
[21:41] <jussi01> nickrud: ??
[21:41] <Pici> ?
[21:41] <Pici> nothing is wrong with ubottu
[21:41] <nickrud> doh, I'm brian dead (as well as brain dead) I meant why didn't floodbots catch thtat
[21:42] <Pici> There are only 2 of them online, so they are in emergency mode.
[21:42] <PriceChild> There are only two bots online me thinls
[21:43] <nickrud> so when do they get hooked up with more than one or two people that can poke them?
[21:47] <PriceChild> nickrud: I've started one up which I think is ok for me to do...
[21:47] <PriceChild> y1215895651 20080712T214731 < ~evga> geek girl needs love pvt me ^^
[21:47] <nickrud> heh, if you can't who can ;)
[21:48] <Mez> nickrud, I was running one... but basically told not to bother anymore... so I didnt start one when I noticed it gone earlier
[21:49] <PriceChild> Mez: nobody said that :(
[21:54] <Pici> idiot
[21:54] <nickrud> yeah, but it woulda been fun ;(
[21:55] <Mez> ...
[21:55] <Mez> and now another bot has gone
[21:55] <PriceChild> I killed it.
[21:56] <nickrud> murderer


[00:00] <ElllisD> update-manager-core yay
[02:11] <maxagaz> hi
[02:53] <Guest49270> hello
[02:54] <Guest49270> is there anyone that can help me for a minut
[02:54] <Guest49270> minute*
[02:55] <twb> !anyone > Guest49270
[03:00] <ruben23> hi how do i add up a temporarry sudoers..on my ubuntu server..
[03:03] <ruben23> anyone..?
[03:04] <Guest49270> yes i see , does anyone know how to use cat to write to the /etc/network/interfaces file,
[03:04] <ScottK> ruben23: Add them to the admin group
[03:05] <genii> Guest49270: You don't use cat to write. Use nono or vim or so. Like: sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces      or: sudo vim /etc/network/interfaces
[03:05] <Guest49270> I am attempting to make a script to automate the proccess
[03:07] <Guest49270> the problem is when i use cat to append to the file even with su i get the "bash: /etc/network/interfaces: Permission denied" error
[03:10] <Guest49270> ?is there another way i can do it
[03:11] <genii> Guest49270: cat somefile | sudo tee /etc/network/interfaces                 (optionally with -a for append instead of replace/create)
[03:11] <twb> Guest49270: I suggest using sudoedit
[03:12] <Guest49270> where would the -a go?
[03:12] <twb> Guest49270: if you don't know, you probably shouldn't be using tee.
[03:12] <Guest49270> and sudo edit doesn;t work ether
[03:12] <Guest49270> i can learn
[03:13] <jmarsden> Guest49270: sudoedit has no space between sudo and edit.  One command, sudoedit.
[03:13] <jmarsden> Guest49270: To learn about tee,   man tee
[03:13] <Guest49270> rutri@Athena:/media/STORAGE/Scripts$ sudoedit echo "# Bridged network interface" >> /etc/network/interfaces
[03:13] <Guest49270> bash: /etc/network/interfaces: Permission denied
[03:13] <Guest49270> rutri@Athena:/media/STORAGE/Scripts$
[03:14] <Guest49270> im looking at tee now
[03:14] <jmarsden> Guest49270: Huh?  WHat are you doing?   sudoedit takes one parameter, the file to be edited.
[03:14] <Guest49270> hmmm
[03:14] <Guest49270> ok
[03:15] <Guest49270> so how would i use sudoedit in a script file?
[03:16] <jmarsden> You wouldn't.  You can't generally use sudo or sudoedit in an unattended script, it is likely to prompt you for a password...
[03:16] <Guest49270> yes well i want to automate the edit
[03:17] <jmarsden> Why would you need to automatically re-edit your network interfaces file??
[03:17] <Guest49270> also the tee command will not work for my needs
[03:17] <Guest49270> because i am making an installation script
[03:17] <jmarsden> Guest49270: Then it should be run as root and there is no need for sudo at all.
[03:18] <jmarsden> The installer runs as root...
[03:18] <Guest49270> yes i have done that using the command "sudo ./myfile.sh"
[03:18] <Guest49270> i get the same problem
[03:18] <jmarsden> That's not an installation script... you'd need to already have an installed system to be able to do that.
[03:19] <Guest49270> hmm
[03:19] <jmarsden> When and how will this "installation script" be run?  be specific.
[03:19]  * genii makes more coffee, hands out the mugs
[03:19] <twb> genii: FSVO mug = drip bag
[03:19] <jmarsden> For automated installations you want to read up on preseeding and perhaps kickstart.
[03:19] <Guest49270> well do the standard install then i am making a script to install the other applications I want to use like KVM in this case.
[03:20] <twb> Guest49270: that should be done via preseeding
[03:20] <genii> Definitely preseeding
[03:20] <Guest49270> hmm ok
[03:20] <twb> Guest49270: preseeding is documented in the installation-guide
[03:21] <Guest49270> will that allow me to make my own iso for ubuntu?
[03:21] <twb> Guest49270: you don't need to, but that could be done.
[03:22] <Guest49270> so preseeding is the only way?
[03:22] <twb> It's the Right Way
[03:23] <jmarsden> You could pay around using   echo foo |sudo tee -a somefile   # But it's ugly and you don't seem to know enough to avoid possibly bad things if you make mistakes in that script...
[03:23] <Guest49270> ok that would be in the ubuntu documentation?
[03:23] <twb> Guest49270: apt-get installation-guide
[03:23] <twb> *apt-get install
[03:23] <Guest49270> if i kill the system i can always renstall
[03:24] <jmarsden> https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/installation-guide/powerpc/preseed-using.html
[03:25] <jmarsden> You are the system administrator of this machine.  Learn the tools of your trade.
[03:25] <Guest49270> on second I am looking at it
[03:25] <twb> Guest49270: note that he linked to the PPC version
[03:26] <Guest49270> lol im a programmer this is for my house depending on how much time is involved i may just do it all manually
[03:26] <twb> apt-get should give you the version appropriate for your Ubuntu release and architecture.
[03:26] <jmarsden> Ah... just whatever Google found me...
[03:27] <Guest49270> yes i am googling it as well
[03:27] <Guest49270> i did find this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/UnattendedCD
[03:28] <Guest49270> the document also referencces the PPC version as well
[03:29] <jmarsden> Come on... https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/installation-guide/amd64/appendix-preseed.html for the AMD64 version.
[03:30] <genii> Hm. In https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/installation-guide/i386/index.html   'Installing Ubuntu 9.04 "Jaunty Jackelope" for i386'  When the url should point to Karmic
[03:30] <Guest49270> yes looking at it
[03:30] <jmarsden> genii: Good catch, file a documentation bug :)
[03:31] <genii> jmarsden: Will do
[03:31] <jmarsden> The URL does point to Karmic, at least.
[03:31] <twb> genii: installation-guide is maintained in SVN, IIRC.   You should submit a patch.
[03:31] <Guest49270> what i may do is just copy over the existing file as sudo
[03:31] <twb> Guest49270: suggest you investigate puppet/chef/cfengine
[03:32] <jmarsden> twb: For one machine?  Seems overkill, since he doesn't want to spend the time even to learn preseeding :)
[03:32] <Guest49270> yes
[03:32] <twb> jmarsden: true
[03:32] <twb> I don't understand why he's scripting an install of ONE machine in the first place
[03:33] <jmarsden> Guest49270: Now you have at least 3 ways to do this: (a) echo stuff |sudo tee -a /path/to/file   (b) sudoedit /path/to/file  (c) sudo cp newfile /path/to/file   (d) use preseeding.
[03:33] <Guest49270> i want to automate it and i know a bit out about scripts so i figured i could just make a script file to automate it.
[03:34] <Guest49270> the reason I am making a script file is because I do not want to do this again the next time i mess up my server
[03:34] <jmarsden> Guest49270: Oh, five: (e) sudo -s   and then  run the script in a root shell.
[03:34] <jmarsden> So pick one and do it.
[03:34] <twb> Guest49270: the right way to do that would be to make backups of /etc (e.g. etckeeper), and to keep a small notepad listing the changes you make
[03:34] <twb> Guest49270: it will be FAR more reliable than a scripted process
[03:35] <twb> jmarsden: sudo -i (usually) beats sudo -s
[03:35] <Guest49270> sure
[03:35] <twb> Guest49270: here's an example: http://twb.ath.cx/Preferences/doc/ymir-changelog.txt
[03:36] <jmarsden> twb: Re -i vs -s, sure... but for editing a few files it doesn't seem likely to make a difference.
[03:36] <twb> jmarsden: well, it means that root will own your emacs .saveplaces.eld file :-)
[03:36] <Guest49270> well i figured if i used a script then i could just run the script next time instead of using the notes.  since a script would be as easy as writing notes i would save time doing  it.
[03:36] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #505045 in dhcp3 (main) "DHCP timeout" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/505045
[03:37] <Guest49270> ill look up sudo -i and -s that may work.
[03:37] <jmarsden> Guest49270: You've spent about 40 minutes so far.  How long does writing notes take?
[03:37] <Guest49270> one question.
[03:38] <Guest49270> so is the "bash: /etc/network/interfaces: Permission denied" because sudo does not have write access or because the file is already open?
[03:39] <jmarsden> No, it is because the redirection is happening as you not as root.  Sounds like you may understand less about scripting that you think.
[03:39] <Guest49270> that is verry likely
[03:40] <Guest49270> hence, this is also a learning experience
[03:40] <Guest49270> im used to doing direct function calls in C i dont know much about the ubuntu
[03:40] <jmarsden> When you do   somecommand -whatever -options >>somefile      # the >>filefile is done in that shell running that command.  Even if that command is sudo or su.
[03:41] <Guest49270> ic
[03:41] <jmarsden> BTW the same is true in the Windows shell... and in Solaris and whatever other OS you may be familiar with.  this is not Ubuntu specific.
[03:42] <twb> It's not true in Genera
[03:43] <Guest49270> so the shell does not have access because it is running as my user not truly as root.  This must be what they talked about in the ubuntu documentation.
[03:43] <jmarsden> twb: What fraction of newcomers would be familiar with Genera but not all the other shells? :)
[03:43] <jmarsden> Guest49270: Yes.
[03:43] <Guest49270> ok i will try the sudo -i then
[03:44] <Guest49270> well let me see what it does brb
[03:45] <twb> jmarsden: Genera isn't a shell, it's an OS
[03:45] <jmarsden> twb: So if one ported bash to Genera it would suddenly behave differently in this regard?  Seems odd...
[03:45] <twb> Probably people who went to SAIL in the 70s and then switched to, say, a med degree would be familiar with it and not bash
[03:45] <Guest49270> so sudo -i logs you in as root?
[03:46] <twb> jmarsden: Genera is a Symbolics Lisp emulator for Alphas
[03:46] <twb> Just as an example of a place where >>foo won't perform redirection
[03:47] <jmarsden> Guest49270: In effect.  It creates you a root shell and goes through the root login process to set up your environment.  It doesn't actually log you in directly as root, you can (for example) suspend that shell and get back to your original shell.
[03:47] <Guest49270> so would the command "sudo -i -k myfile.sh" would be correct?
[03:48] <Guest49270> i added -k to force the system to ask for a password after
[03:48] <sabgenton> how do you set a static ip with ifconfig
[03:48] <jmarsden> twb: For other examples, CP/M from the 1980s or DOS from before DOS 2.11 also lack such redirection :)
[03:48] <sabgenton> just one shot type a thing
[03:49] <jmarsden> sabgenton: sudo /sbin/ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:49] <sabgenton> jmarsden: will that work on wifi?
[03:49] <sabgenton> or do i need iwconfig
[03:49] <jmarsden> sabgenton: I have no idea.
[03:49] <sabgenton> ok thats a start thanks
[03:50] <jmarsden> You're welcome.
[03:50] <sabgenton> jmarsden: why do you give the full path out of interest?
[03:50] <jmarsden> sabgenton: An abundance of caution, and in case you don't have /sbin in your $PATH.
[03:50] <sabgenton> ah
[03:50] <sabgenton> thought so see
[03:51] <sabgenton> :)
[03:51] <Guest49270> hmm sudo -i and -s didn't work ether
[03:51] <Guest49270> the file must be getting used by the os
[03:51] <jmarsden> Type sudo -i   # no other parameters.   In the root shell, run the script.
[03:52] <jmarsden> You are making this about 100x harder than it needs to be.
[03:52] <Guest49270> sudo -i ./test.sh
[03:52] <jmarsden> NO!
[03:52] <jmarsden> sudo -i
[03:52] <jmarsden> Then, in the shell, ./myscript.sh   # or whatever
[03:52] <Guest49270> ok
[03:52] <Guest49270> one second
[03:54] <Guest49270> still didnt work
[03:54] <Guest49270> the confusing part is that another file is generated
[03:55] <sabgenton> jmarsden: It may have been more proper to do iwconfig as it let me auto complete but it work with ifconfig
[03:55] <sabgenton> :)
[03:55] <jmarsden> Guest49270: Then your script is probably broken.  pastebin the script and pastebin the command you typed and what output you got.
[03:55] <Guest49270> file:///etc/network/interfaces/r/r is what is generated
[03:56] <jmarsden> Guest49270: BTW you have now spent 1 hour on this... wouldn't writing notes have been simpler and quicker?
[03:56] <Guest49270> yes
[03:56] <jmarsden> That's a local URL on your machine. Noone else can use it.
[03:56] <Guest49270> but i want to know why this is not working
[03:56] <jmarsden> Then pastebin the stuff I asked for.
[03:57] <sabgenton> jmarsden:after just fiddling with hostapd config with bit's of peaces i got of the net i got AP mode working!
[03:57] <jmarsden> sabgenton: Good.
[03:57] <Guest49270> is there a way i can send you my script jmarsden?
[03:57] <sabgenton> it's actually better than the depreciated  madwifi
[03:58] <jmarsden> Guest49270: Yes, use pastebin
[03:58] <jmarsden> !pastebin
[03:58] <jmarsden> !pastebinit
[03:58] <sabgenton> well so far the same card I once used is apsolutley responsive
[03:58] <sabgenton> madwifi was way more bumpy!
[03:58] <sabgenton> unless it improved to
[03:58] <sabgenton> but I doubt it
[03:58] <sabgenton> ath5k rules!
[03:59] <sabgenton> :D
[03:59] <jmarsden> sabgenton: That's quite a change from your crying about the loss of madwifi-tools yesterday :)
[03:59] <sabgenton> *=erm* *cough*
[03:59] <Guest49270> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/d106f3920
[03:59] <sabgenton> :j
[03:59] <twb> Today he knows better
[04:00] <sabgenton> :D
[04:00] <sabgenton> well at least I'm still not moaning today :D
[04:00] <sabgenton> (others might)
[04:00] <sabgenton> :)
[04:00] <Guest49270> jmarsden did i do it correctly?
[04:01] <jmarsden> Guest49270: Yes.  Now also pastebin me the command you typed to run it and the output it generated, please.
[04:02] <jmarsden> Guest49270: Um.   Was this script file created in Windows?  So it has DOS CRLF line endings in it??
[04:02] <Guest49270> well i dont need to pastebin that, it was "sudo ./myscript.sh"
[04:02] <Guest49270> hmm it should not have been
[04:02] <Guest49270> maybe thats whats messing it up
[04:03] <jmarsden> OK. the line spacing looks weird... what does     file myscript.sh      output?
[04:03] <jmarsden> Oh, and there is a ! missing from the first line, it should read   #!/bin/bash
[04:03] <Guest49270> i was wondering why i seen the two carrage returns at the end of the filename.
[04:03] <Guest49270> yes
[04:04] <Guest49270> well the script was not running with the ! in the file
[04:04] <jmarsden> Guest49270: But you failed to inform the channel of this...
[04:04] <Guest49270> i dont think ubuntu has bash in it
[04:04] <jmarsden> :)
[04:04] <Guest49270> im sorry for that
[04:04] <Guest49270> i did not think it was important
[04:04] <jmarsden> Your crlf line endings broke it.  Ubuntu has bash but does not have bash\r  :)
[04:05] <Guest49270> i thought that is used to make sure the script only runs in a bash shell
[04:05] <jmarsden> Had you mentioned that we could have solved that a LONG time ago.
[04:05] <Guest49270> ahh
[04:05] <jmarsden> What does  file myscript.sh     output?
[04:05] <Guest49270> that woould eplain the \r in the file name
[04:05] <Guest49270> interfaces\r\r
[04:06] <jmarsden> Indeed.
[04:06] <Guest49270> ok now that i know what is wrong
[04:06] <Guest49270> how do i conver to unix?
[04:06] <jmarsden> Fix it with dos2unix  and then run it again.
[04:06] <Guest49270> convert8
[04:06] <Guest49270> thank you
[04:06] <jmarsden> (and put the ! back in there)
[04:06] <jmarsden> You're welcome.
[04:07] <jmarsden> And next time use a Linux text editor for writing your scripts :)
[04:07] <Guest49270> i have been
[04:07] <jmarsden> WHich one?
[04:07] <Guest49270> gedit
[04:07] <jmarsden> Hmmm.  I've never seen gedit add CRLF line endings to a newly created file.
[04:07] <Guest49270> if i were using my normal one it would ask me if i wanted to convert it
[04:07] <Guest49270> well i can explain that
[04:08] <Guest49270> i used an old script
[04:08] <Guest49270> i think the file was started in windows
[04:08] <jmarsden> Guest49270: And the old script... OK.
[04:08] <Guest49270> then i took over with gedit
[04:08] <jmarsden> gedit will use whatever is already there.
[04:08] <Guest49270> exactly
[04:08] <Guest49270> however it does not inform me of that
[04:09] <jmarsden> Correct.  Emacs does.
[04:09] <Guest49270> yea
[04:09] <Guest49270> i have one more quick question
[04:10] <Guest49270> is there a way to change my default editor in ubuntu
[04:10] <erichammond> jmarsden: "Emacs does" - Isn't that a valid response to pretty much any question?
[04:10] <jmarsden> erichammond: Good point :)  Except for questions like "does your editor crash regularly?" :)
[04:11] <jmarsden> Guest49270: Yes.  export EDITOR=/usr/bin/emacs    # is one way :)
[04:11] <jmarsden> You can stick that or something like it in your ~/.bashrc
[04:11] <Guest49270> yes
[04:11] <Guest49270> i have had problems using the bashrc before
[04:12] <Guest49270> but thats something totally different i guess
[04:12] <jmarsden> Probably.  if you prefer, use the select-editor command instead.
[04:12] <ruben23> hi is it possible to create directory service for 2 networks like network1-all linux client and network2 all are windows client..
[04:12] <jmarsden> That's newer and Ubuntu-specific, I just set EDITOR=emacs :)
[04:13] <Guest49270> well I am more familiar with the gui so i tend to used gnome
[04:13] <Guest49270> i wanted to change what editor gets used when i double click the files and hit display
[04:14] <twb> Bah, EDITOR is for line editors.  VISUAL.
[04:14] <twb> Also, emacsclient -c -t -A '' is your friend.
[04:15] <Guest49270> yea i use ultraedit
[04:15] <jmarsden> ruben23: Two different directory services (such as Fedora Directory Server) on the same server?  That might be interesting... why would you need two different directory services?
[04:15] <jmarsden> Guest49270: This channel is #ubuntu-server.  Ubuntu Server does not have a GUI.
[04:16] <Guest49270> yes
[04:16] <ruben23>  jmarsden: my network will have windows client on a single network and linux client on another network..
[04:16] <ruben23> and the administration is on one only
[04:16] <Guest49270> the script is being run on ubuntu server thats why im here
[04:16] <ruben23> i mean the admin will adminster all of them..is it possible
[04:16] <jmarsden> ruben23: Yes, but why can't they share one directory service?
[04:17] <Guest49270> im making modifications on a pc with ubuntu desktop
[04:17] <ruben23> jmarsden: cant it be possible single directory service on windows and linux client..?
[04:17] <Guest49270> then send it to the server over an nfs share
[04:17] <ruben23> like one single server adminstration for them all
[04:19] <jmarsden> ruben23: As far as I know it can.  Ah... sorry, I misread your question, I think.
[04:19] <ruben23>  jmarsden: what application can i used for it..?
[04:19] <jmarsden> ruben23: I think you could use Fedora Directory service on both networks at once.
[04:20] <ruben23>  Fedora Directory service can manage windows client..?
[04:20] <Guest49270> what do i need to install to use dos2unix?
[04:21] <Guest49270> nm
[04:21] <Guest49270> got  it, suto apt-get install tofrodos
[04:21] <Guest49270> sudo*
[04:23] <Guest49270> ok now i get bash: ./test.sh: /bin/bash/: bad interpreter: Not a directory
[04:23] <jmarsden> Guest49270: Unwanted extra trailing / on the first line of your script.
[04:23] <jmarsden> Guest49270: Should be #!/bin/bash
[04:24] <Guest49270> no i used the program you suggested to convert the script file
[04:24] <jmarsden> Right, and there is another bug in the scirpt, and unwanted extra trailing / character on the first line.
[04:24] <jmarsden> Remove it.
[04:25] <jmarsden> You want: #!/bin/bash       You have:  #!/bin/bash/
[04:25] <jmarsden> See the extra / ?
[04:25] <Guest49270> ahh sorry
[04:25] <Guest49270> yes i see now
[04:26] <Guest49270> thankyou very much
[04:27] <jmarsden> You're welcome.
[04:27] <Guest49270> the test works
[04:27] <Guest49270> i know i spent a lot of time on this butt i have learned much
[04:27] <Guest49270> one more thing
[04:28] <Guest49270> "sudo apt-get -y -q install kvm qemu libvirt-bin" will automate the install right?
[04:29] <jmarsden> Guest49270: Looks reasonable.    You might want to try reading something like http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/intro-linux.html for general Linux background info
[04:33] <Guest49270> yea i have had a few references
[04:33] <Guest49270> most of the stuff i can handle with ebox
[04:34] <Guest49270> however virtual servers is not one of them
[04:35] <Guest49270> since i cant get a fuppies working on ubuntu server i have to do my trans-coding on a windows server running on ubuntu using KVM
[04:36] <jmarsden> Just make the investment of a few hours of your time to really learn Linux and bash (and maybe even Emacs) .  Then work on getting a "fuppies" (whatever that is) running on Ubuntu.
[04:36] <Guest49270> fuppies is a media streaming progra for linux
[04:37] <Guest49270> as for emacs i have no need to learn it i use nano on the server
[04:37] <twb> Guest49270: Sapir-Whorf.  You lose.
[04:38] <jmarsden> Then... fuppes should run fine in Ubuntu.  And using Emacs on all platforms gives you one free powerful editor across all platforms.
[04:39] <Guest49270> yes well thats another problem all together
[04:40] <Guest49270> as for emacs i am already familiar with ultraedit and gedit and nano gets me by for how often i change files on the server.
[04:42] <Guest49270> but anyway i really appreciate the help, now that the carrage return is removed the script works exactly as expected
[04:42] <Guest49270> thank you once again
[04:43] <twb> I thought fuppes was already ITPd
[04:43] <twb> I remember someone talking about it a year ago
[04:44] <twb> I guess it's still in RFS
[04:45] <twb> Yeah, #426048
[04:49] <jmarsden> There is a thread about fuppes on Ubuntu 9.10: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1310511
[04:50] <jmarsden> Amazing... he wasted an hour on a script he didn't really need, instead of on getting fuppes to work, and he wants to run Windows in a VM instead!
[04:51] <twb> Anyone called Guest[[:digit:]]+ ain't too bright
[05:56] <matte> how can i set up so that ubuntu will automatically re-start all users running processes that were there before reboot....
[06:03] <twb> matte: with great difficulty
[06:07] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #467480 in clamav (main) "package clamav-freshclam 0.95.2+dfsg-4ubuntu4 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 100" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/467480
[06:16] <matte> really
[06:17] <matte> doesn't sound like the ubuntu way
[06:17] <matte> ;)
[06:17] <jmarsden> matte: Is there a way to do that in any other OS you know of?
[06:17] <matte> windows, put the apps in the Startup folder
[06:17] <matte> or with msconfig
[06:17] <matte> yes
[06:17] <jmarsden> No, that won't do it at all.
[06:17] <matte> actually it does
[06:17] <jmarsden> That would only run the apps you put there, not the ones running at the timeof the reboot
[06:18] <jmarsden> Which coul dbve very different
[06:18] <jmarsden> *could be
[06:18] <matte> well thats what i mean, apps you select to run after a reboot
[06:18] <matte> like a startup folder
[06:18] <matte> for linux
[06:18] <ScottK> That's not at all what you said though.
[06:18] <matte> ok well thanks for making that clear
[06:19] <jmarsden> matte: Is this for a server (in which case you can put apps into /etc/rc.local or into ~/.bashrc files for each user, etc) ?  Or for a desktop with a GUI, in which case I don't know the answer, ask in #ubuntu
[06:19] <matte> ok awesome
[06:19] <matte> thank you
[06:20] <jmarsden> You're welcome.
[06:45] <Guest89077> does anyone know what the default password is for a newly added user using the command "sudo useradd -m rutri"
[06:47] <twb> Guest89077: don't use useradd.
[06:47] <twb> Guest89077: use adduser
[06:48] <Guest89077> ok what if i have already done the command?
[06:50] <jmarsden> Guest89077: sudo deluser rutri && sudo adduser rutri
[06:52] <Guest89077> what is room number for?
[06:52] <jmarsden> Leave it blank... its for people in universities whose offices have room numbers :)
[06:52] <twb> I bet you can't put Ogham in there, though
[06:52] <Guest89077> lol ok
[06:53] <Guest89077> and now how do i add that user to the administrator group?
[06:53] <twb> As an argument in the adduser call
[06:54] <Guest89077> so i can use usermod?
[06:54] <jmarsden> Guest89077: It's silly to create the user and then modify it right away.  But if you must, sudo usermod -a -G admin rutri
[06:55] <jmarsden> Guest89077: Please read the man pages for adduser, deluser and usermod :)
[06:55] <Guest89077> ok thanks you answered my other question
[06:55] <Guest89077> yes the command i knew the syntax allready
[06:56] <Guest89077> i was going to ask what the admin group is called but you answered taht
[07:00] <Guest89077> ok one last question, how do i get a dameon to automatically start? ie: i dont want to have to do "/etc/init.d/libvirt start" all the time
[07:02] <jmarsden> Guest89077: sudo apt-get install sysv-rc-conf  -y && sudo sysv-rc-conf   # is one way.
[07:03] <Guest89077> thank you ill research into that
[07:03] <Guest89077> i appreciate the help
[07:03] <twb> Surely libvirt registers itself by default
[07:03] <Guest89077> thats what i thought
[07:03] <Guest89077> i did use the apt-get to install it
[07:05] <jmarsden> Guest89077: So it should already run at boot time... did you actually test this?
[07:06] <Guest89077> on second
[07:06] <Guest89077> one*
[07:06] <twb> jmarsden: it should also invoke-rc.d itself on install
[07:07] <jmarsden> Right... the question suggested he wanted to mess with what daemons started automatically... I thought he'd already accidentally prevented it from starting at boot or something like that...
[07:07] <twb> Anything is possible
[07:11] <Guest89077> ok i see it running
[07:12] <Guest89077> "ps -aux | grep libvirt" showed it
[07:12] <jmarsden> Guest89077: In general, try to avoid asking the channel for info you can determine for yourself using man pages or by trying something out.  BTW, /etc/init.d/libvirt-bin status   # is the more conventional check on a daemon's status :)
[07:13] <twb> Guest89077: pgrep
[07:14] <twb> jmarsden: unfortunately policy doesn't require init.d's to provide a status target :-(
[07:14] <twb> IME only RH-originating stuff like libvirt provides status
[07:14] <jmarsden> twb: True, but most do, including libvirt-bin :)
[07:15] <twb> IIRC even dh_make's example doesn't, despite it being trivial due to s-s-d --make-pidfile
[07:16] <jmarsden> Hmmm, looks like about 50% on this machine.
[07:16] <Guest89077> unfortunately I have spent the better part of an hour researching my problem with no luck
[07:17] <twb> I tell a lie, dh_make does provide status
[07:17] <jmarsden> Guest89077: Testing whether something starts at boot takes an hour?  Booting a modern machine should not take that long!
[07:17] <twb> jmarsden: but filing the change request and getting it approved takes WEEKS
[07:17] <twb> :-)
[07:18] <jmarsden> :)
[07:18] <Guest89077> well i thought it was because the daemon was not starting but thats not the case.
[07:18] <jmarsden> Guest89077: Do not guess what your problem is and ask questions based on your guesswork.  Instead, ask about the actual problem.
[07:19] <jmarsden> Guest89077: See http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html for more on this.
[07:19] <Guest89077> ok i am trying to access a virtual server remotely using cirt-manager
[07:19] <twb> jmarsden: in a test here, I get 17 with and 43 without
[07:19] <twb> Using x=0 y=0; for i in /etc/init.d/*; do if $i status; then ((x++)); else ((y++)); fi; done; echo $x $y
[07:20] <twb> Some of those are from base-files or whatever it is, though
[07:20] <Guest89077> sorry virt-manager*
[07:21] <maxagaz> hi, how to know which package does a binary belongs too ?
[07:21] <twb> Goddammit I hate it when init scripts don't correctly work when stdio isn't a tty
[07:21] <twb> This just hangs: x=0 y=0; for i in /etc/init.d/*; do if $i status |& grep -qi usage; then ((x++)); else ((y++)); fi; done; echo $x $y
[07:21] <jmarsden> maxagaz: dpkg -S /path/to/binary
[07:21] <jmarsden> twb: I did: grep -c status /etc/init.d/* | grep -c :0$ ; ls -1 /etc/init.d/* |wc -l   # to get 70 don't have it out of 156 total.
[07:22] <Guest89077> the command i use is "virt-manager -c qemu+ssh://<IP_ADDRESS>/system" and it asks for a password but then i get a message saying that libvirt-bin is not running, however it is running.
[07:23] <twb> jmarsden: I was worried about false positives :-)
[07:23] <maxagaz> jmarsden, thanks
[07:23] <jmarsden> maxagaz: You're welcome.
[07:24] <twb> jmarsden: e.g. alsa-utils
[07:24] <jmarsden> twb: Yes, your way is probably more accurate than mine.
[07:24] <twb> x=0 y=0; for i in /etc/init.d/*; do test $i = /etc/init.d/rcS && break; echo $i >&2; if $i status |& grep -qi usage; then ((x++)); else ((y++)); fi; done; echo $x $y
[07:24] <jmarsden> Your way is also about twice as long :)
[07:25] <twb> ...that one (checks for "Usage:" output) gives 24 with, 15 without
[07:25] <twb> Oops, s/break/continue/ and I get 36 with, 23 without
[07:28] <jmarsden> twb: That's more in line with my percentage.
[07:28] <jmarsden> Guest89077: That sounds strange, but I'm not enough of a virtualization expert to really help... did you ask in #ubuntu-virt ?
[07:31] <twb> Oops, those numbers are backwards
[07:32] <Guest77812> I have a Kerberos gss-api query...
[07:32] <Guest77812> how do I start the gss-server from the samples?
[07:34] <Guest77812> knock knock...
[07:35] <twb> Who's there?
[07:35] <Ziber> your mom.
[07:35] <twb> Your mom who?
[07:35] <Ziber> <clever punch line goes here>
[07:36] <twb> Kindly leave the stage!
[07:36]  * twb fills Ziber's pants with whitewash
[07:37] <Guest77812> need some help with kerberos...
[07:37] <Guest77812> how do I start the gss-server from the samples?
[08:26] <jiboumans> morning
[08:27] <zorzar> is there a way to set the stride option when installing ubuntu server with a raid 5?
[08:30] <twb> Dunno.  You can with raw mdadm
[09:41] <drchrishawker> hello all
[09:43] <drchrishawker> i need some help
[09:44] <jiboumans> drchrishawker: just ask your question
[09:45] <drchrishawker> I am installing server 9.1
[09:46] <drchrishawker> i need to set it up to run irc bots (pirc and python). is there a link which gives me instructions to do this.
[09:46] <drchrishawker> also, is it possible to get a desktop on server 9.1?
[09:49] <jiboumans> drchrishawker: you'll have to google the ircbot howto. I'm sure you're not the first to do it though. If you want a desktop on the server, consider installing the desktop edition and just the ircbot packages?
[09:49] <drchrishawker> is there a difference between the two distro's?
[09:52] <jiboumans> drchrishawker: yes, but for you the biggest difference will be the packages installed from scratch
[09:52] <jiboumans> drchrishawker: if you want a desktop environment, starting from the desktop edition is probably easiest for you
[09:53] <drchrishawker> then i can install the packages from scratch?
[09:54] <maxb> And just for correctness sake, there's no such thing as Ubuntu 9.1 - I guess you mean 9.10
[09:56] <drchrishawker> yes, maxb
[09:57] <jiboumans> drchrishawker: correct; you only seem to want the irc related packages on your machine which should be a simple 'apt-get install'
[09:58] <drchrishawker> i also want web server and openssh server to remote-access
[10:25] <pradalvr> I can not get phpmyadmin to work with Ubuntu
[10:31] <mumintrollet> hey! trying to install ubuntu server 9.10 386 from a usb drive using unebootin to extract the iso. when i start the installation the instruction does not seem to apply.
[10:31] <mumintrollet> "On Ubuntu 9.10 server edition the install menu will be shown right after reboot. Chose "Help" and then press F6. At the boot prompt type "install cdrom-detect/try-usb=true" and hit enter."
[10:32] <mumintrollet> Help goes to the usual installation.. and I can't use the shell there for "install"
[12:14] <kaushal> hi
[12:15] <kaushal> which file i need to look for NFS Server for logging in Ubuntu ?
[12:15] <kaushal> i have issues in my NFS Server
[12:16] <guntbert> kaushal: most log go to /var/log/syslog
[12:17] <jiboumans> kaushal: either /var/log/*nfs* or /var/log/syslog
[12:25] <twb> I don't think /var/log/*nfs* is standard
[12:44] <zul> mornin
[13:21] <sommer> yo
[13:28] <ivoks> oy
[13:42] <zig_> Has anyone else had experience installing Ubuntu 9.10 Server onto a setup like this?: /dev/sd[a-c]1 => md0 => lvm, which branches off to these LV's: root and swap
[13:58] <Elad> I am trying to install an ssl cert and when I go to start apache it tells me that it failed. When I look in the apache access.log it says "Init: Unable to read server certificate from file" What are some common causes for this error?
[13:58] <Elad> it point to the correct location
[13:59] <sommer> Elad: does the www-data user have rights to read the file?
[14:00] <Elad> no, just root
[14:00] <Elad> let me update the permissions
[14:02] <Elad> I chowned the certificates to www-data and I still get the same error
[14:03] <smoser> good morning.
[14:03] <Elad> any other ideas?
[14:04] <sommer> Elad: what are the permissions on the directory above the cert?
[14:04] <Elad> does it need permissions other than these "-rw-r--r--"?
[14:05] <Elad> the permissions I just posted are for the actual cert itself
[14:05] <Elad> folder permissions are "drwxr-xr-x"
[14:06] <sommer> Elad: looks right to me, just to double check the cert file is good?
[14:06] <Elad> sommer: How do I do that?
[14:09] <sommer> Elad: try "openssl verify /path/to/cert"
[14:10] <Elad> oh, looks like that may be my problem, I have it pointed to a crt, and it is looking for a pem
[14:11] <Elad> is there a way to generate a pem from the crt? I will start googling it, because I'm not sure what the difference is
[14:12] <sommer> Elad: there's a way with the openssl command... don't remember how exactly though, should be able to google it
[14:12] <sommer> I use a crt though
[14:12] <soren> Elad: Is crt a specific format?
[14:13] <soren> I thought it was just a generic sort of extension for either a DER or PEM formatted certificate.
[14:14] <sommer> ya, that sounds right
[14:18] <sommer> ah pem is just der with a text header http://gagravarr.org/writing/openssl-certs/general.shtml
[14:32] <clusty> i am having issues with my LDAP user auth on my ubuntu server
[14:32] <clusty> the pam-ldap that is generated by the ubuntu is giving me grief and would not let me log in or change passwords (my own tweaked version of pam confs allows me to log in)
[14:32] <clusty> could somebody please give me a hand?
[14:33] <Elad> omh, I think I just figured out what my problem is - the key that I generated on my server is the private key? The key given to me by verisign is my public key?
[14:35] <cyphermox> Elad, the key given to you by verisign? usually you'd generate a key and a certificate signing request (CSR), which only gets signed by Verisign... you'll want to use the key you generated at the beginning, along with the signed certificate that verisign sent you
[14:37] <Elad> I am stuck, I can't seem to get past this error when running openssl verify mycert.crt:
[14:37] <Elad> unable to load certificate
[14:37] <Elad> 29250:error:0906D06C:PEM routines:PEM_read_bio:no start line:pem_lib.c:647:Expecting: TRUSTED CERTIFICATE
[14:40] <cyphermox> is the first line in you .crt file "-----BEGIN CERTIFICATE-----"
[14:40] <hippy> hi all
[14:40] <clusty> hey hippster
[14:41] <ttx> smoser: ping
[14:41] <hippy> I'm trying to find a very quick booting LAMP system, just wondering how ubuntu does?
[14:41] <smoser> hey
[14:41] <ttx> smoser: pm ?
[14:42] <clusty> hippy: you tick LAMP while installing the OS
[14:42] <clusty> and it's there
[14:43] <Elad> I had a space between the ----- Begin . . . . says it is okay now
[14:43] <Elad> thank you for posting that
[14:44] <hippy> thanks but that doesn't really answer my question.. am already up to my eyeballs in isos (debian, centos, slackware, netbsd)... all very slow boot times - am running from qemu
[14:44] <cyphermox> Elad, np :)
[14:49] <cyphermox> hippy, it always depends what you mean by quick, and it depends on the system on which it will run as well.
[14:51] <cyphermox> hippy, for instance, my desktop boots quickly, so do my server VMs... but by quickly I mean it takes around 30-40 seconds to boot perhaps?
[14:52] <hippy> i'm looking more like 6 seconds max.. netbsd came very close but failed in other areas
[14:57] <hippy> not to worry, i knew it would be a long shot finding something super quick... i'll go back to tinkering with qemu's snapshot feature.. thanks anyway :D
[14:57] <cedeel> Hi there.. trying to set up 2 ipv6 addresses on the same nic @ boot but unsuccessfully
[14:57] <cedeel> anyone know how to?
[14:59] <Elad> now it is telling me that my key doesn't match I have the SSLCertificateFile /site.crt AND my SSLCertificateKeyFile /site.key . . . . Is that how they are suppose to be?
[15:00] <Elad> because I only have 1 set on this machine, and I haven't regenerated them since I originally generated them a couple days ago
[15:06] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #505938 in samba (main) "package samba-common 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5.3 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/505938
[15:29] <cyphermox> Elad, they are supposed to match, but you do have the right Apache directives
[15:30] <Elad> cyphermox: what do you mean they are suppose to match?
[15:31] <cyphermox> the two files, the .key and .crt, are supposed to be for the same "certificate"
[15:31] <cyphermox> one is the private key, the other is the signed certificate
[15:32] <Elad> gotcha, well, I generated the crt from the key, so I am assuming they match
[15:32] <Elad> so I don't know what the problem is
[15:32] <cyphermox> Elad, as for the crt file, check that your .key starts with "-----BEGIN RSA PRIVATE KEY-----"
[15:33] <Elad> -----BEGIN RSA PRIVATE KEY-----
[15:33] <Elad> Proc-Type: 4,ENCRYPTED
[15:33] <Elad> DEK-Info: DES-EDE3-CBC,297188752A5F22E6
[15:33] <cyphermox> and it really needs to be the same key you used to generate the CSR that you sent verisign
[15:33] <Elad> it is
[15:34] <cyphermox> ok. then the following commands should give you MD5 sums that should match:
[15:34] <cyphermox> 'openssl rsa -noout -modulus -in site.key | openssl md5' and 'openssl x509 -noout -modulus -in site.crt | openssl md5'
[15:35] <cyphermox> if they don't, I'm not sure what you could do past starting over, generating a new key/CSR and getting it signed by Verisign
[15:36] <clusty> no LDAP ppl around to give me a hand?
[15:37] <Elad> cyphermox: after I enter in my passphrase it goes back to the command prompt, doesn't give me any output - is this typical?
[15:38] <cyphermox> Elad, I don't think so
[15:38] <cyphermox> are you certain you have the right passphrase?
[15:39] <Elad> yes, looking further up the screen it looks like the command has an error in it
[15:39] <cyphermox> where?
[15:40] <Elad> openssl:Error: 'md5 and openssl' is an invalid command.
[15:40] <cyphermox> ah no
[15:40] <cyphermox> openssl rsa -noout -modulus -in site.key | openssl md5
[15:40] <cyphermox> is one command
[15:40] <cyphermox> it generates a sum for your key file
[15:41] <cyphermox> to check your crt file, it's this one: openssl x509 -noout -modulus -in site.crt | openssl md5
[15:41] <cyphermox> and the output from both of these should match exactly
[15:41] <Elad> ah I see, I did both of the commands as 1 command
[15:43] <Elad> shoot, they don't match
[15:43] <Elad> so I need to send another csr to verisign?
[15:44] <cyphermox> I think that would be the easiest thing. I believe you can do this without paying again, but I don't usually do the purchases myself :)
[15:45] <Elad> so for future reference I should be able to generate the site.key and site.crt and do the md5 on them, make sure they match, THEN send verisign the csr?
[15:49] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #237775 in spamassassin (main) "spamassassin perl conflicts with razor package" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/237775
[15:49] <cyphermox> Elad, no
[15:50] <Elad> cyphermox: how come?
[15:50] <cyphermox> the md5 is to make sure the key and the certificate that verisign sends you back match. I did this because I run scripts that generate apache config, and wanted to make sure the certificates weren't in the middle of being renewed (e.g. the key and cert would not match) before pushing files and breaking things
[15:51] <Elad> cyphermox: the .crt is suppose to be the one that verisign sent me back?
[15:51] <cyphermox> yes
[15:51] <Elad> ah, let me try that one
[15:52] <Elad> I was wondering when that one would come into play
[15:52] <cyphermox> what you send them is a different file that gets created at the same time as the key, and is technically a CSR (certificate signing request)
[15:56] <cyphermox> Elad, all the information you need is here: http://www.verisign.com/support/tlc/csr/modssl/v00.html
[15:57] <Elad> that is what I went through and did, but now I am trying to get it to work with the real cert
[16:38] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #312493 in php5 (main) "Not possible to run PHP in a multiuser and secure way" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/312493
[16:38] <mjeanson> Hi, has anyone started or plans to test ivoks new packages for the cluster stack in lucid? (see announce on the mailling list)
[16:40] <cyphermox> mathiaz, hi. I'm curious your setup for the ISO testing with preseeding and scripts... is that in a bzr branch somewhere?
[16:41] <mathiaz> cyphermox: https://code.launchpad.net/~mathiaz/+junk/iso_testing_scripts
[16:45] <cyphermox> thanks
[16:46] <Elad> cyphermox: do I need to generate an intermediate.crt for the SSLCACertificateFile? or can i just reuse the public.crt from the SSLCertificateFile?
[16:50] <cyphermox> Elad, no, that's for something different
[16:50] <cyphermox> SSLCACertificate is a certificate you can download from Verisign (check their support pages) which helps identifying them as a valid signer for your certificate
[17:05] <thafreak> What's the prefered way to get something like lvm on a shared iscsi disk in ubuntu?
[17:05] <thafreak> Is it just to use clustered lvm?
[17:05] <thafreak> Are there any alternatives that don't require redhat-cluster suite?
[17:06] <ScottK> ivoks is our expert on that.  He's not around at the moment.
[17:07] <thafreak> ah, ok, what is the prefered mailing list to ask such a question on then? Is it the server team list, or is there another?
[17:08] <ScottK> Server team list is good.
[17:08] <thafreak> ok, thanks!
[17:22] <marduk> is there a tui for setting up a network interface in ubuntu server a la system-config-network in rhel?
[17:27] <mrmojo> hello, i am trying to set bind up but i'm having some difficulties
[17:31] <mrmojo> my zone file is here: http://pastebin.com/d537d11f1
[17:40] <marks256> i have a static route setup so that 192.168.0.x traffic is routed to eth1. I have a web server on <IP_ADDRESS>, and can ping it. but firefox will not connect to it (i know the web server works). How do i fix this?
[17:41] <marks256> I am using firefox on the same system on which i have the static route setup on
[17:42] <cemc> mrmojo: what's the difficulty?
[17:43] <cemc> marks256: you can ping 0.4 from the same computer on which firefox is running?
[17:44] <marks256> cemc, yes. i actually just sshed into 0.4
[17:44] <cemc> marks256: what does firefox say ?
[17:44] <marks256> cemc, unable to connect. i don't think firefox is using the route
[17:46] <marks256> here is the output of route: <IP_ADDRESS>     *               <IP_ADDRESS>   U     0      0        0 eth1
[17:47] <cemc> what ip does the firefox machine have?
[17:47] <marks256> eth0 or eth1?
[17:48] <marks256> eth1 is <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:49] <cemc> marks256: can you pastebin output of 'ip r' command ?
[17:49] <marks256> cemc, sure
[17:50] <ivoks> cemc: i've requested your IM friendship on gtalk and icq :)
[17:50] <marks256> cemc, http://pastebin.com/d3538eff0
[17:50] <cemc> ivoks: I don't see anything here :)
[17:50] <ivoks> heh
[17:50] <ivoks> gaim was much better :/
[17:51] <cemc> pidgin works too
[17:51] <ivoks> or that :D
[17:51] <cemc> ;)
[17:53] <cemc> marks256: is the webserver set up correctly?
[17:53] <marks256> cemc, yes
[17:53] <marks256> cemc, i was using it the other day on a different network
[17:54] <cemc> that doesn't necessarily mean it will work here ;)
[17:54] <cemc> marks256: try this: "telnet <IP_ADDRESS> 80"
[17:54] <cemc> from 0.1
[17:54] <marks256> cemc, i don't see why it wouldn't. the networks were setup the same
[17:55] <marks256> cemc, connection refused, but it found it.
[17:55] <cemc> marks256: connection refused could mean: 1. there's some firewall on the webserver, 2. webserver not listening on 0.4 / not running at all
[17:56] <cemc> marks256: log on to 0.4 and try: "netstat -nlp | grep 80"
[17:56] <marks256> cemc, there is no firewall that i know of. i will check and make sure apache is running
[17:56] <ivoks> cemc: how about now? :D
[17:57] <cemc> ivoks: nothing. lemme relog, pidgin is running for 34days (stress testing it :) )
[17:57] <ivoks> hehe
[17:57] <cemc> ivoks: try again, do you see me online ?
[17:57] <ivoks> nope
[17:57] <ivoks> @gmail.com is domain, right?
[17:57] <marks256> cemc, no output for "netstat -nlp | grep 80"
[17:58] <cemc> ivoks: yes, that should be it. and I'm logged on and talking to other ppl
[17:58] <cemc> ivoks: try again, relogged there too
[17:59] <cemc> marks256: it's not listening on port 80, or it's not running, do a "ps ax |grep apache"
[17:59] <marks256> cemc, 1512 pts/0    S+     0:00 grep --color=auto apache
[17:59] <cemc> marks256: apache not running, it's an ubuntu system too?
[18:00] <marks256> cemc, omg. i had to enter my ssl passphrase before apache would start :|
[18:00] <marks256> cemc, it works now
[18:02] <cemc> marks256: note ze commandz: netstat, ps, telnet ip 80 :)
[18:02] <marks256> cemc, noted ;) what exactly is netstat? i've used all the others before
[18:04] <marks256> cemc, thanks for all the help. lunch time now :)
[18:04] <cemc> marks256: man is your friend, always
[18:04] <cemc> man netstat
[18:04] <cemc> first line :)
[18:04] <marks256> cemc, i'll check out the man page. thanks :)
[18:06] <ivoks> magnetic__: /usr/sbin/openssl rsa -in server.key.old -out server.key
[18:06] <ivoks> eh
[18:07] <VSpike_> When booting ubuntu server, I get a blank screen unless I use the recovery option. Once booted, modprobe radeonfb gives me a nice high res console.  How can I fix that?
[18:08] <ivoks> add radeonfb to /etc/modules
[18:08] <ivoks> and run update-initramfs -u
[18:15] <VSpike_> ivoks: thanks! perfect
[18:16] <ivoks> np
[18:16] <VSpike_> Is that a normal problem with radeon based machines in text mode?
[18:16] <VSpike_> Perhaps a consequence of the 9.10 upgrade
[18:16] <VSpike_> I didn't really get useful hits on google
[18:17] <ivoks> i don't know
[18:17] <ivoks> most of my servers have output redirected to serial console and IPMI
[18:17] <ivoks> :)
[18:18] <VSpike_> :) heh
[18:18] <VSpike_> Using ubuntu server on old laptops is probably not a well tested setup :)
[18:18] <ivoks> :)
[18:18] <VSpike_> Built-in UPS though
[18:19] <VSpike_> Does nicely as a home mail server
[18:22] <ivoks> well, take care people
[18:22] <ivoks> see you tomorrow
[18:25] <the_real_dave> VSpike: lower power too :)
[18:29] <mjeanson> ivoks: Hi, I've started testing on your new rhcs packages
[18:30] <VSpike_> the_real_dave: very true!
[18:30] <the_real_dave> VSpike: probably the only good use for a laptop with a wrecked screen :) Make it serve you lol
[18:32] <VSpike_> the_real_dave: heh.  This one has a wrecked battery and keyboard. Same result tho
[18:36] <the_real_dave> VSpike_: can I ask why you need to use your own mail server? Do you need your own domain for that?
[18:38] <VSpike_> the_real_dave: There are other ways to solve the same problem, so it was partly just educational, but I wanted to store all my mail in an IMAP server
[18:38] <VSpike_> Could have used gmail I guess
[18:38] <VSpike_> But having it local gives better speed
[18:38] <VSpike_> So I use fetchmail, postfix, dovecot, maildrop
[18:39] <VSpike_> You don't need your own domain for that if you don't want one
[18:39] <the_real_dave> VSpike_: ah ok. Do you backup nightly or similar? I'd hate to lose all my email to a bad HDD or the like :S
[18:39] <VSpike_> Yes, I backup the maildir's to another machine daily
[18:40] <VSpike_> I like that I can do all the filtering server side, and then use any mail client from any machine
[18:40] <VSpike_> Handy when workign across lots of machines and trying mail clients to find the one I like best
[18:55] <the_real_dave> actually, what do people use for monitoring bandwidth usage?
[18:56] <the_real_dave> I tried iptraf and bandwidthd, the latter of which creates a zombie process :( Any suggestions? All my server does is file sharing through NFS, Squid and Apt-Cacher proxies. I'd like to be able to see who on the LAN is connected, and what they're connected to :)
[19:07] <the_real_dave> what do people use for monitoring bandwidth usage? I tried iptraf and bandwidthd, the latter of which creates a zombie process :( Any suggestions? All my server does is file sharing through NFS, Squid and Apt-Cacher proxies. I'd like to be able to see who on the LAN is connected, and what they're connected to :)
[19:33] <qman__> the_real_dave, I use vnstat and vnstat-php frontend
[19:33] <Jeeves_> mathiaz: Why would you want to demote radvd?
[19:33] <Sam-I-Am> Jeeves_: heh, i just responded to that :)
[19:33] <qman__> but that's more like a counter than active monitoring
[19:33] <mathiaz> Jeeves_: it was discussed during UDS - I'm just asking for feedback
[19:33] <the_real_dave> qman__: a counter would be nice too :) I'll check it out, thank you :)
[19:35] <Jeeves_> mathiaz: Ok, but what were the reasons to even think of demoting it?
[19:35] <Sam-I-Am> the_real_dave: i've used ntop and cacti
[19:35] <Sam-I-Am> the_real_dave: dunno if you saw this yet http://www.ubuntugeek.com/bandwidth-monitoring-tools-for-linux.html
[19:36] <mathiaz> Jeeves_: less maintainance for a LTS release
[19:36] <mathiaz> Jeeves_: IMO we should keep it
[19:36] <Sam-I-Am> i dont think radvd would require much maintenance
[19:36] <Sam-I-Am> it usually Just Works
[19:36] <mathiaz> Jeeves_: Others suggested otherwise
[19:37] <Jeeves_> Sam-I-Am: Well, it seems to be rather poort code
[19:37] <mathiaz> Jeeves_: If you have an opinion, I'd suggest to reply to the thread
[19:37] <Sam-I-Am> Jeeves_: in that case, a lot of stuff needs demotion :)
[19:37] <Jeeves_> mathiaz: Been there, done that :)
[19:37] <mathiaz> Jeeves_: great! thanks
[19:38] <Jeeves_> Sam-I-Am: Try running radvd on a link with another mtu than 1500, that seems to break stuff
[19:39] <Sam-I-Am> heh, names on postings != irc nicks
[19:39] <Sam-I-Am> "who?"
[19:40] <Sam-I-Am> Jeeves_: i.. think its primarily designed for ethernet.  wonder if jumbo frame MTUs confuse it too.
[19:40] <Sam-I-Am> i remember running it on gig links before, but that was the openbsd variant... rtadvd.
[19:40] <Sam-I-Am> the T means its uh... better? heh
[19:43]  * Jeeves_ <- Mark Schouten
[19:43] <Sam-I-Am> ahh
[19:43] <Sam-I-Am> <- matt
[19:43] <Jeeves_> Sam-I-Am: Ethernet runs on > 1500 bytes too :)
[19:43] <Sam-I-Am> also just saw another post to the ipsec thread... i kinda wonder when we might see l2tpv3 on linux
[19:43] <Sam-I-Am> since it seems to be gaining a lot of steam
[19:44] <Sam-I-Am> Jeeves_: thats why i said jumbo frames :)
[19:45] <Sam-I-Am> mathiaz: btw, sorry i kinda took a back seat for a while with server stuff (like openldap) ... lots of employment issues in the last few months which will hopefully be solved soon.
[19:45] <Sam-I-Am> life's been a little rough
[19:47] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #471461 in clamav (main) "package clamav-milter 0.95.2+dfsg-4ubuntu4 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/471461
[19:47] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #482984 in clamav (main) "clamav crash on startup" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/482984
[19:47] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #483412 in clamav (main) "package clamav-base 0.95.3+dfsg-1ubuntu0.09.10 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 128" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/483412
[19:47] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #483731 in clamav (main) "clamd crashed with SIGSEGV in mpool_free()" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/483731
[19:47] <Pici> oh dear
[19:54] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #362890 in cyrus-sasl2 (main) "pidgin crashed with SIGSEGV in _sasl_MD5Update()" [Low,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/362890
[20:07] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #496691 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (universe) "mysql server and client crash during installation (sudo apt-get install mysql-server mysql-client)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/496691
[20:07] <the_real_dave> clam-av has a CLI interface right? So you could use it to scan for Windows viruses on Ubuntu Server?
[20:08] <ScottK> the_real_dave: Yes.  You just have to be able to mount the partition.
[20:08]  * ScottK routinely boots Kubuntu live CDs to scan windows boxes.
[20:09] <the_real_dave> ScottK: how effective is it against Avast! for Linux do you know?
[20:09] <ScottK> the_real_dave: I don't.
[20:09] <ScottK> Seems to work reasonably well as long as you stay current.
[20:09] <the_real_dave> ScottK: ok, thank you :)
[20:09] <ScottK> In Ubuntu we put a lot of effort into keeping the clamav version current in all releases as a result.
[21:03] <Aison> what's the reason for this error:
[21:03] <Aison> nfs: server <IP_ADDRESS> not responding, still trying
[21:04] <Aison> the nfs server is online
[21:14] <Sam-I-Am> Aison: random nfs blurbs :)
[21:15] <Sam-I-Am> Aison: sometimes its just too sensitive
[21:15] <Sam-I-Am> Aison: unless you actually have network problems or congestion
[21:15] <Sam-I-Am> or the nfs server is busy.. the linux nfs stuff needs a little work in the multithreaded area
[21:21] <Aison> yeah, i'm using nfs for a longer time now, and it allways sucked somewhere
[21:21] <ball> hello jeiworth
[21:25] <Sam-I-Am> Aison: heh, it hasnt improved too much, although you might have some better experience with nfs4 over tcp
[21:53] <mathiaz> kirkland: o/
[21:53] <kirkland> mathiaz: \o
[21:53] <mathiaz> kirkland: it seems that NODES is no longer defined in eucalyptus-local.conf
[21:53] <kirkland> mathiaz: hrm...  must have missed that as part of my changes
[21:53] <mathiaz> kirkland: I'm running 1.6.2~bzr1120-0ubuntu7
[21:54] <kirkland> mathiaz: fresh install, or upgrade?
[21:54] <mathiaz> kirkland: in a CLC+Walrus/CC+SC/3xNCs configuration
[21:54] <mathiaz> kirkland: an fresh install
[21:54] <kirkland> mathiaz: okay, let me look ...
[21:54] <mathiaz> kirkland: well - the eucalyptus package have been *purged* before
[21:55] <mathiaz> kirkland: which shouldn't play any role
[21:55] <kirkland> mathiaz: can you pastebin your eucalyptus-local.conf?
[21:56] <mathiaz> kirkland: http://paste.ubuntu.com/355194/
[21:56] <mathiaz> kirkland: this is *after* euca_conf --register-nodes has been called
[21:56] <mathiaz> kirkland: by the auto-registration script
[21:56] <kirkland> mathiaz: okay ... can you try rerunning that with sh -x ?
[21:56] <kirkland> mathiaz: and pastebin the sh -x output?
[21:57] <mathiaz> kirkland: hm - first I need to figure what's the actual command
[21:58] <kirkland> mathiaz: and silly question, but they didn't happen to leak back into /etc/eucalyptus/euclayptus.conf ?
[21:58] <kirkland> mathiaz: /usr/sbin/*
[21:58] <mathiaz> kirkland: the auto-registration log doesn't give the *actual* command
[21:58] <mathiaz> kirkland: I meant the complete command, with the arguments
[21:58] <kirkland> mathiaz: hrm, seems like a good thing to add to the log ;-)
[21:58] <kirkland> mathiaz: given all the other useless crud eucalyptus logs :-)
[21:58] <mathiaz> kirkland: grep -Ri nodes /etc/eucalyptus/ doesn't return anything
[21:59] <kirkland> mathiaz: where is this autoregistration code?
[22:00] <kirkland> mathiaz: ie, what files/pkg?
[22:00] <mathiaz> kirkland: IIUC uec_component_listener
[22:00] <mathiaz> kirkland: ^^ that's the process listening
[22:00] <mathiaz> kirkland: I'm trying to find the source code of it
[22:00] <kirkland> mathiaz: is that in the eucalyptus source code?
[22:00] <mathiaz> kirkland: ./debian/registration/uec_component_listener.c
[22:01] <mathiaz> kirkland: IIRC this is is written by ttx
[22:01] <mathiaz> kirkland: (or may be cjwatson)
[22:01] <kirkland> mathiaz: looking ...
[22:01] <mathiaz> kirkland: as part of the auto-registration spec
[22:02] <kirkland> mathiaz: hmm, that file doesn't do anything with euca_conf or eucalyptus.conf
[22:02] <mathiaz> kirkland: right - it calls node
[22:02] <mathiaz> kirkland: or any other relevant script
[22:02] <mathiaz> kirkland: ./debian/registration/node
[22:02] <mathiaz> kirkland: that one calls euca_conf
[22:04] <mathiaz> kirkland: http://paste.ubuntu.com/355201/
[22:04] <mathiaz> kirkland: ^^ this is the end of sh -x euca_conf ....
[22:05] <kirkland> mathiaz: okay ...
[22:05] <mathiaz> kirkland: I think it's because NODES= is not defined in the default -local.conf template
[22:05] <mathiaz> kirkland: line 16 won't match
[22:06] <kirkland> mathiaz: yeah, that looks like it
[22:06] <kirkland> mathiaz: can you throw in NODES= and retry?
[22:07] <kirkland> mathiaz: i'll fix it in euca_conf itself
[22:07] <kirkland> mathiaz: with a failover, if NODES= is not found
[22:15] <mathiaz> kirkland: hm - well - things are not working here
[22:15] <mathiaz> kirkland: however it doesn't seem related to NODES= anymore
[22:15] <kirkland> mathiaz: hmm, okay
[22:15] <mathiaz> kirkland: the CLC cannot talk to the CC apparently
[22:17] <ruben23> hi, i have this on ubuntu server---> http://pastebin.com/m238cb5cc i would like to remove it and i got this error---> http://pastebin.com/m3f430a83
[22:17] <ruben23> anyone have idea on it..? why i cant remove it
[22:25] <soren> ruben23: It says it's open.
[22:35] <ruben23> soren: how do i check for remaining free size on my volume group
[22:39] <soren> vgdisplay
[22:41] <ruben23>  soren:---> i got this----->http://pastebin.com/m7bd09b75 how do i check my free space
[22:42] <soren>   Free  PE / Size       1098 / 34.31 GB
[22:42] <soren> It's right there, dude.
[22:42] <soren> Line 20.
[22:42] <ruben23> ok so i can create more lvm...
[23:06] <yann2> hello - trying to find out why sysklogd doesnt use logrotate - anyone got a clue?
[23:07] <yann2> with sysklogd there seem to be a cronfile in /etc/cron.weekly to rotate syslog, /var/log/messages and so on... Other syslog servers like rsyslog are rotated by logrotate... In fact if i install rsyslog, I end up hving both the logrotate rotation, and the sysklogd weekly cronjob setup
[23:07] <yann2> just the cronjob will fail as sysklogd is no longer installed
[23:24] <yann2> oh my bad still running 9.04 apparently there was a move to rsyslogd and logrotate in 9.10.. I guess that answers my question
[23:29] <zooko_osg> Folks: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/aufsRootFileSystemOnUsbFlash used to say that AUFS was no longer working in Ubuntu since 9.10, but now it says that maybe it is and the author of that page will investigate whether it is likely to work with 10.04 LTS.
[23:30] <zooko_osg> Any insight from you guys?  I really need a union filesystem for having a boot drive that doesn't actually get written to.  Because our boot drives are USB flash drives and they seem to have a half-life measured in months.
[23:30] <zooko_osg> So we spend all our time building new ones and replacing broken ones.


[04:10] <jAguAr`> i just updated my system from 12.04 to 14.04 and now i can't get either gnome or kde to boot properly... please help
[04:44] <guesting738> I tried the ubuntu 14.04 daily image about a month ago and I noticed some primitive hidpi support. I hear that it is much improved, so I put today's daily image on a flash drive and am trying it out--but unlike before it is not automatically detecting the hidpi screen. How do I enable hidpi in 14.04?
[05:32] <Busybyeski> howdy! how can i upgrade from 13.10 to the LTS beta?
[05:34] <usr13_> Busybyeski: Do you have a seperate /home/ partition?
[05:35] <usr13_> Busybyeski: If so, just do fresh install and leave /home/ partition alone, same user name....
[05:35] <usr13_> and your good to go.
[05:36] <usr13_> There may be another way though, someone else will probably let you know.
[05:36] <rww> do-release-upgrade -d
[05:37] <Busybyeski> is that @ me rww ?
[05:47] <rww> yes
[05:47] <rww> erm
[05:47] <rww> yes
[07:20] <ROPA> does anyone know if 14.04 ubuntu will also have the advertising and send search results to amazon (or anyone else willing to pay $$??
[08:48] <DEBIMAN> hey guys
[08:48] <DEBIMAN> are 14.04 stable enough for a daily driver?
[08:48] <DEBIMAN> I'm willing to submit reports of bugs
[08:49] <DEBIMAN> Just would like to know if it's severely bugged to the point of no use
[08:49] <DJones> I started using it at the weekend, I've found it stable so far, but obviously what works for me may not work for everybody else and their hardware
[08:49] <DEBIMAN> What's your set up
[08:49] <maxb> ditto
[08:49] <DEBIMAN> I'm gonna be running it on a intel chipset with core 2 duo
[08:49] <DEBIMAN> with 4gb of ram
[08:50] <DEBIMAN> with broadcom wifi
[08:50] <Stanley00> well, works fine on my system, just use the default install :D
[08:50] <maxb> I've hit minor UI bugs, but nothing more significant
[08:50] <DJones> DEBIMAN: I installed on a new laptop, i7, 8gb and dual intel/nvidia graphics, I was surprised at how well it installed and just worked using the nvidia-prime for graphics switching
[08:50] <DEBIMAN> oh I see
[08:51] <DEBIMAN> and I'm assuming the kernel can handle btrfs
[08:51] <DEBIMAN> I love that fs
[08:51] <DEBIMAN> Gonna try zfs too soon
[08:51] <DJones> I get a bit of font corruption in chromium-browser, but not spotted any other issues yet
[08:52] <DEBIMAN> have you tried the LCD font smoothing on about:flags?
[08:52] <DEBIMAN> That has helped me plenty on most *nix
[08:52] <DJones> Not yet, I'll have a look at that though, thanks for the heads up
[08:52] <DEBIMAN> np
[08:53] <DEBIMAN> just had to restart it
[08:53] <DEBIMAN> I'm wondering if FF is better for ubuntu machines
[08:54] <DEBIMAN> I notice that the js speed is a bit slower for chrome/chromium on ubuntu
[08:54] <DEBIMAN> But it could most certainly be just me
[08:55] <Overlordz> firefox nightly seems pretty fast
[08:55] <Overlordz> though I could just be imagining it
[08:58] <DEBIMAN> It's only about a 20 msec diff
[08:58] <DEBIMAN> But boy is midori slow
[11:09] <Volkodav> does skype work on this beta?
[11:15] <ngaio> Volkodav, if you mean 14.04 beta, it works well for me
[11:31] <Volkodav> ngaio: thanks wil upgarde now
[11:38] <Volkodav> hmm won't do that - says no can do this upgrade tool can you believe it?
[11:38] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[12:24] <blackh> hey guys :)
[12:24] <blackh> I have a question, is there a way to install ubuntu trusty tahr now?
[12:24] <blackh> and is it safe?
[12:25] <xsacha> blackh: daily build?
[12:25] <xsacha> or are you upgrading
[12:25] <blackh> im now using ubuntu 13.10, but i want to give 14.04 a try
[12:25] <blackh> what is daily build?
[12:27] <blackh> sorry for the noobish questions
[12:30] <ikonia> blackh: if you're not experienced with ubuntu - I'd advise waiting for 14.04 to be released stable/public
[12:31] <blackh> oh, but just for information
[12:32] <blackh> if I install ubuntu 14.04, I'll have to download a daily build every day?
[12:32] <ikonia> no
[12:32] <blackh> so what is a daily build?
[12:39] <xsacha> .. :P
[12:50] <ngaio> the daily build is a 900MB (or so) ISO from which you install. Once installed you then update it using standard update tools in Ubuntu.
[12:55] <xsacha> ngaio: he left after no one talked for almost 2 and a half minutes
[12:56] <ngaio> oh!
[12:56] <xsacha> 3 and a half*
[13:41] <Guest12185> hello
[13:41] <Guest12185> help gnome-shell no start descktop
[14:45] <Vanilla-Midgit> Is Mate available in the repository yet for 14.04?
[14:47] <llutz> !info mate-desktop trusty  | Vanilla-Midgit
[14:48] <Vanilla-Midgit> llutz, So if I install it on a base install will I be able to right after add the repository for Mate then upgrade to 1.8?
[14:49] <llutz> Vanilla-Midgit: if there is a repo for that, why not
[14:52] <Vanilla-Midgit> llutz, so base install, then sudo apt-get install mate-desktop right?
[14:53] <llutz> Vanilla-Midgit: yes
[14:53] <Vanilla-Midgit> Is there a base install iso for Trusty or will I have to upgrade one base install to the other?
[14:59] <xsacha> !info ffmpeg trusty
[15:07] <Vanilla-Midgit> Is there a base install iso for Trusty or will I have to upgrade one base install to the other?
[15:08] <llutz> Vanilla-Midgit: get either the beta1 iso or the mini.iso, install and do what you like to do
[15:09] <tim`> is the xvideo extension supposed to work on intel hd 4400?
[15:09] <tim`> i get this when launching x in 14.04
[15:10] <tim`> [    31.196] (EE) open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory
[15:10] <tim`> ;{
[15:13] <Vanilla-Midgit> Is this it? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/daily/current/
[15:16] <tim`> Vanilla-Midgit: yes from yesterday
[15:17] <Vanilla-Midgit> ok thanks tim`
[15:18] <Vanilla-Midgit> tim`, one problem, no 64 bit iso
[15:19] <tim`> hrm there was one yesterday - i did a usb based install with it
[15:20] <Vanilla-Midgit> tim`, not today
[15:38] <tim`> i tried switchng to xorg edgers and got the same result
[15:38] <tim`> ;/
[16:47] <johnjohn101> having issues with unity freezing up on 14.04 with lastest updates
[16:53] <CountryfiedLinux> Unity used to freeze constantly early on, now it's just occasionally
[16:53] <CountryfiedLinux> a few times a day maybe
[16:53] <CountryfiedLinux> Well firefox windows usually
[16:53] <johnjohn101> yeah, seems to be related to firefox
[16:54] <CountryfiedLinux> I dunno if it's the same with other browsers.
[16:55] <CountryfiedLinux> Last year I noticed a feature lapse in Unity
[16:56] <CountryfiedLinux> ya know how when there's multiple windows open for one app and you click it's icon on the launcher bar and it goes into overview mode? put one of those windows "always on top" and notice that functionality doesn't work after that.
[17:05] <johnjohn101> froze again.  I switched back to an older ubuntu
[18:50] <KM_> Hello
[18:50] <KM_> I have a problem with 14.04
[18:50] <KM_> Everytime I login, the screen becomes too dark, (is this due to xbacklight I had in my 13.10 ?) and as soon as I increase the brightness to one more point, the brightness gets normal. And after all this, I am unable to enter the password (the cursor hangs and doesn't blink).  I have to suspend and start again to get things normal.
[18:50] <KM_> Can anyone answer me ?
[18:54] <KM_> Hello Chanserv
[18:54] <KM_> Everytime I login, the screen becomes too dark, (is this due to xbacklight I had in my 13.10 ?) and as soon as I increase the brightness to one more point, the brightness gets normal. And after all this, I am unable to enter the password (the cursor hangs and doesn't blink).  I have to suspend and start again to get things normal.
[18:54] <KM_> That's my prob
[20:20] <AlanBell> anyone feel like confirming bug 1288163?
[20:22] <k1l> (x)
[20:28] <AlanBell> thanks
[21:38] <johnjohn101> still getting unity freeze ups on 14.04
[21:40] <FernandoMiguel> nope
[21:42] <genii> Not here, but it helps that I'm on Kubuntu ;)
[21:45] <johnjohn101> should i try proposed fixes to see if it helps?
[21:47] <johnjohn101> looks like it's probably this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/1284536