[00:08] <skaet> charlie-tca, Xubuntu Desktop 20110803.2 posted
[00:08] <charlie-tca> along with both alternates again ...
[00:08] <charlie-tca> Thanks, skaet
[00:10] <charlie-tca> can the alternate tests be carried forward? the images did not change
[00:28] <skaet> charlie-tca, if the manifests are the same,  or close enough,  should be fine.
[00:28] <charlie-tca> exact match
[00:29] <skaet> charlie-tca,  should be fine then.
[00:29] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[00:29] <skaet> charlie-tca, sorry it was an oversite that the alternates got spun again.
[00:30] <charlie-tca> I figured it had to be. No problem, I just don't have enough hours to run all the tests again
[00:30] <charlie-tca> um, after all this stuff today, Xubuntu live session does *not* auto-login
[00:37] <skaet> superm1,  mythbuntu images posted
[00:38] <skaet> mythbuntu 20110804
[00:50] <skaet> NCommander,  I'm going to head to dinner now,  when Ubuntu DVD emerges,  please announce it here and #u-testing.
[00:50] <NCommander> will do
[00:50] <skaet> NCommander, thanks!
[00:55] <NCommander> charlie-tca: ugh, do the images still work, or this an actual blocker?
[01:01] <GrueMaster> Finally, kubuntu-armel images downloaded - testing commencing.
[01:48] <GrueMaster> Wow, this is much slower than Natty.
[02:12] <GrueMaster> ScottK: Not going to be able to put a full effort into the Kubuntu arm images unfortunately.  I'm getting them to boot no problem, but I won't be able to run through all the apps like I did in Natty.
[02:14] <GrueMaster> So far, the install is doing well, and no major issues (aside from extreme slowness on 8G Class 10 SD).  I'll try to run a net install later next week onto a USB drive to do a little more thorough beating.
[02:20] <NCommander> ubuntu-dvd is built
[02:28] <charlie-tca> back from dinner and starting installs now
[02:28] <charlie-tca> for Xubuntu
[03:03] <ScottK> GrueMaster: Thanks. Anything you can do is appreciated.
[03:11] <charlie-tca> pretty sure I will not be able to do all the install tests tonight on xubuntu
[03:11] <charlie-tca> will have to finish tomorrow
[03:12] <charlie-tca> still trying to get the first one done to see if it is working now
[03:27] <charlie-tca> skaet, jibel, NCommander : Xubuntu desktop images fail
[03:27] <charlie-tca> Configuring target system... stuck
[03:28] <charlie-tca> manifest shows gnome-keyring3.1.1-0ubuntu4
[03:33] <charlie-tca> I don't think we can publish the alpha3 milestone for Xubuntu
[03:39] <charlie-tca> skaet, jibel, NCommander : please do NOT publish Xubuntu alpha3. The images are broken and will not install
[03:39] <charlie-tca> getting a bug number
[03:46] <charlie-tca> bug 820731
[03:46] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 820731 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Oneiric Ocelot Xubuntu Desktop images fail to install (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/820731
[04:09] <ScottK> skaet: Kubuntu is looking good.  We still have more testing to get done, but no show stoppers so far.  If you can find a volunteer to do some Wubi testing for us, that'd be great as I don't think we have anyone who can do it.
[04:09] <ScottK> I don't think it's essential for Alpha 3, but it'd nice to hit it on at least one image.
[04:11] <ScottK> We could stand some amd64+mac help too, but I think I know someone who might be able to do that.
[05:44] <NCommander> charlie-tca: k, I'll tell skaet not to publish
[05:57] <ScottK> NCommander: Do you know of anyone who can do wubi testing?
[06:03] <NCommander> nope
[06:06] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[08:17] <jibel> charlie-tca, skaet I can't reproduce 820731 and xubuntu 20110803.2 installs and boots fine.
[08:17] <jibel> charlie-tca could you double check the checksums of the images you tested ?
[10:18] <jibel> Ubuntu DVDs 20110804 are on the tracker but http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/20110804/ is empty
[13:17] <stgraber> skaet: rsync is pretty slow here. I'll need another hour and a half to download Edubuntu...
[13:22] <nigelb> stgraber: plz send more bandwidth? :)
[13:25] <stgraber> I found some old images around, running zsync on them now, hopefully it'll be faster
[13:26] <stgraber> download speed wasn't too bad, I was getting a pretty stable 1MB/s on a 10Mb/s internet but I'm downloading DVD images...
[14:08] <skaet> good morning all
[14:09] <charlie-tca> good morning
[14:21] <skaet> stgraber,  you have the extra time.
[14:22] <skaet> jibel, charlie-tca - what's the latest with the Xubuntu images?
[14:22] <charlie-tca> I can' t get them to work at all, jibel can' t get them to fail
[15:05] <mdeslaur> gah, swig2.0 in universe now has a swig package that superseded the swig1.3 package in main
[15:48] <slangasek> stgraber, ev: can you confirm that fixing the xubuntu autologin problem requires another (simple) reupload of casper?
[15:51] <slangasek> seems to affect mythbuntu as well
[16:24] <stgraber> skaet: edubuntu is ready for release
[16:25] <stgraber> slangasek: simple upload of casper won't do it
[16:25] <stgraber> slangasek: it might fix mythbuntu though
[16:25] <skaet> stgraber: *\o/*  very glad to hear it.   :)
[16:26] <skaet> ScottK,  can you put the updates for Kubuntu in the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview
[16:26] <skaet> ?
[16:27] <stgraber> skaet, slangasek: New casper uploaded
[16:27] <slangasek> stgraber: what else is needed to fix xubuntu, then, if casper is insufficient?
[16:27] <stgraber> this should fix autologin for environments where lightdm.conf already exists as a symlink and where "ubuntu" as a session exists
[16:28] <stgraber> slangasek: lightdm currently tries to run the "ubuntu" session, that doesn't exist with xubuntu
[16:28] <slangasek> ah
[16:28] <stgraber> slangasek: bug 806408
[16:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 806408 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "After xubuntu upgrade or installation, default session on greeter must be xubuntu (affects: 2) (heat: 24)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/806408
[16:29] <skaet> superm1,  how do the mythbuntu images look?   are we good to release?
[16:29] <superm1> all that we were waiting on was whatever happened on the casper thing
[16:29] <superm1> we don't get a lot of people to pick up until beta usually though, so i'm fine release noting it if it's not figured out
[16:30] <skaet> superm1,  thanks.   ok, we'll release then.
[16:47] <seb128> skaet, I've added some desktop items to the technicaloverview, tremulox will still add some software center notes and I think we are good
[16:48] <skaet> seb128,  Thank you.  :)
[16:52] <jibel> seb128, do you think bug 815077 should be release noted? It has been reported many times.
[16:52] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 815077 in indicator-session (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "restart is missing from SessionMenu (affects: 57) (dups: 8) (heat: 288)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/815077
[16:52] <seb128> jibel, hum, it seems worth adding to the notes yes
[16:52] <seb128> jibel, can you do it?
[16:53] <jibel> seb128, sure, I'll do
[16:53] <charlie-tca> skaet: added bugs to release notes
[16:53] <seb128> jibel, thanks
[16:53] <skaet> charlie-tca, thank you.!
[17:01] <jibel> Daviey, bug 820111 -> release notes ?
[17:01] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 820111 in mdadm (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 1 other project) "boot degraded question is asked twice (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/820111
[17:12] <ScottK> skaet: I'll be at my computer in a little over an house.
[17:12] <skaet> ScottK,  thanks.
[17:14]  * Laney lends ScottK a grappling hook
[17:14] <ScottK> I think Kubuntu is good on i386, amd64, and armel.
[17:15] <ScottK> House / Hour
[17:15] <ScottK> Android autocorrect FTL.
[17:16] <jibel> skaet, Ubuntu is good, release notes reviewed and updated.
[17:17] <skaet> jibel,  thanks.    I've updated the QA tracker to remove the builds we're not shipping with.   Could you please review it and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/ReleaseImageContacts to make sure it matches your understanding as well.
[17:17] <skaet> ?
[17:17] <jibel> k
[17:18] <skaet> stgraber,  has anyone done a sanity test on Edubuntu dvd i386,  am noticing it isn't marked as tested.
[17:19] <stgraber> skaet: I tested LTSP live, the live environment and I just finished an install
[17:19] <jibel> skaet, I'll remove powerpc and amd64+mac from the tracker, ok ?
[17:19] <stgraber> rebooting now to do one more test and I'll mark it as good
[17:20] <skaet> jibel,  yes.  I thought I got them already... guess I switched windows.  :P
[17:20] <jibel> :)
[17:20] <skaet> thanks stgraber
[17:20] <skaet> thanks jibe
[17:20] <skaet> jibel even.  :)
[17:21] <cyphermox> jibel, it's late now but xubuntu amd64 on bare metal worked here
[17:23] <jibel> cyphermox, thanks for confirming.
[17:23] <stgraber> skaet: done
[17:23] <skaet> stgraber,  goodness.   Thank you.
[17:24] <jibel> charlie-tca, cyphermox test passed ^
[17:25] <charlie-tca> why won't they pass for me?
[17:25] <charlie-tca> Do I have two bad computers?
[17:26] <charlie-tca> both images worked here monday
[17:26] <cyphermox> there has to be something special... where was it failing?
[17:29] <charlie-tca> bug 820731
[17:29] <skaet> NCommander, slangasek - the images for release are:
[17:29] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 820731 in casper (Ubuntu) "Oneiric Ocelot Xubuntu Desktop images fail to install (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/820731
[17:29] <skaet> lubuntu cd (i386, amd64)
[17:29] <skaet> mythbuntu cd (i386, amd64)
[17:29] <skaet> edubuntu dvd (i386, amd64)
[17:29] <skaet> kubuntu cd (i386, amd64)
[17:29] <skaet> kubuntu alternate (i386, amd64)
[17:29] <skaet> kubuntu dvd (i386, amd64)
[17:29] <skaet> kubuntu arm (omap, omap4)
[17:29] <skaet> netboot (i386, amd64, omap4)
[17:29] <skaet> ubuntu server (i386, amd64)
[17:29] <skaet> ubuntu cloud (cloud32, cloud64)
[17:29] <skaet> ubuntu core (arm)
[17:29] <skaet> ubuntu preinstall (omap3, omap4)
[17:29] <skaet> ubuntu cd (i386, amd64)
[17:29] <skaet> ubuntu alternate (i386, amd64)
[17:29] <skaet> ubuntu dvd (i386, amd64)
[17:31] <skaet> NCommander, slangasek, jibel, stgraber, ScottK, smoser, Daviey,  please advise if any of these ^^ don't match your expectations.
[17:31] <chrisccoulson> is it ok to upload stuff now? :)
[17:31] <skaet> chrisccoulson, hold off for a couple of hours please.  :)
[17:32] <chrisccoulson> skaet, ok, no problem
[17:32] <smoser> skaet, above, 'cloud' should probably be better named 'cloud-images'
[17:32] <smoser> or 'cloudimg'
[17:32] <smoser> to differenciate cloud-host from cloud-guest
[17:33] <slangasek> skaet: do you know if they're all marked correctly in the tracker such that publish-image-set.py should DTRT?
[17:33] <NCommander> skaet: I should have a kubuntu preinstall inthere and ubuntu-server
[17:33] <slangasek> smoser: is "cloud-images" anything more than uec/ec2 with a new name?
[17:33] <skaet> slangasek,  I hope between me and jibel we've got them all now.  But please double check.  Lots of last minute churn.
[17:35] <NCommander> \/win 40
[17:35] <smoser> slangasek, in no way shape or form
[17:35] <smoser> cloud-images == nothing more than uec/ec2 with a new name
[17:36] <slangasek> right
[17:38] <slangasek> marking xubuntu as failed on iso.qa so the publisher script DTRT
[17:38] <skaet> NCommander,  ubuntu server preinstall(omap3, omap4)
[17:39] <jibel> skaet, does ubuntu preinstall (omap3, omap4) include server and desktop ?
[17:40] <NCommander> skaet: rightsorry, relooked at the list and its all there. eyes are play tricks
[17:40] <NCommander> jibel: its a separate desktop and server image
[17:40] <skaet> NCommander, kubuntu preinstall (omap3, omap4)
[17:40] <jibel> NCommander, that is why I ask, it is not clear from the list above.
[17:40] <skaet> jibel, yeah it was an oversite tnot to make it explicit.  :)
[17:41] <slangasek> well this is fun, 'bzr update' is failing with an error about trying to write to the branch :P
[17:41] <jibel> k
[17:48] <slangasek> skaet: tracker shows netinstall images from 20110729 for armel; are those meant to be published or not?
[17:49] <slangasek> I'm not sure where these images are anyway, there doesn't seem to be anything on antimony
[17:49] <GrueMaster> slangasek: netinstall images are only rebuilt when D-I is, not daily.
[17:49] <skaet> slangasek,  I was just looking at them too....
[17:49] <slangasek> GrueMaster: oh, then these should be named 'netboot' like the existing i386/amd64 ones
[17:49]  * skaet nods
[17:49] <slangasek> no?
[17:49] <GrueMaster> yep
[17:50] <skaet> is the omap3 one ok?
[17:50] <slangasek> who has access to fix those names?
[17:50] <skaet> jibel,  can you fix the names?
[17:50] <GrueMaster> omap3 (omap) is broken.  It leaves the image unbootable.
[17:50] <skaet> GrueMaster, so we're only to publish omap4 one correct?
[17:51] <GrueMaster> I'd ask NCommander.  If the fix can be pushed withpout changes to the image (i.e a package fix pulled during install), then we can publish it.
[17:52] <GrueMaster> He knows the exact nature of the breakage.
[17:52] <skaet> NCommander,  ^^ netboot omap4 to be released or not?
[17:52] <GrueMaster> omap4 is good.  Don't confuse the two.
[17:52] <GrueMaster> netboot omap is the one in question.
[17:53] <NCommander> skaet: what gruemaster said
[17:53] <GrueMaster> NCommander: Can you fix the omap boot.scr creation issue w/o changing the netboot image?
[17:53] <skaet> NCommander, Gruemaster thanks.
[17:54] <skaet> Ok,  revised list (based on what I'm seeing in QA tracker) now is:
[17:54] <jibel> skaet, done
[17:54] <skaet> edubuntu dvd (i386, amd64)
[17:54] <skaet> kubuntu alternate (i386, amd64)
[17:54] <skaet> kubuntu desktop cd (i386, amd64)
[17:54] <skaet> kubuntu desktop arm (omap3, omap4)
[17:54] <skaet> kubuntu dvd (i386, amd64)
[17:54] <skaet> kubuntu arm (omap3, omap4)
[17:54] <skaet> lubuntu cd (i386, amd64)
[17:54] <skaet> mythbuntu cd (i386, amd64)
[17:54] <skaet> netboot (i386, amd64, omap4)
[17:54] <skaet> ubuntu alternate (i386, amd64)
[17:54] <skaet> ubuntu core (arm)
[17:54] <skaet> ubuntu desktop cd (i386, amd64)
[17:54] <skaet> ubuntu desktop preinstall (omap3, omap4)
[17:54] <skaet> ubuntu dvd (i386, amd64)
[17:54] <skaet> ubuntu server (i386, amd64)
[17:54] <skaet> ubuntu server preinstall (omap3, omap4)
[17:54] <skaet> ubuntu cloud images (cloud32, cloud64)
[17:55] <skaet> NCommander,  can you please start the publishing off for the above.
[17:55] <NCommander> skaet: the script doesn't work for me I'm getting IOError
[17:56] <NCommander> debugging it but until thats done ...
[17:56] <slangasek> NCommander: pastebin me a full python backtrace?
[17:57] <skaet> NCommander,  ack.  Lots for me to do in the interim... ;)
[17:57] <NCommander> slangasek: http://paste.ubuntu.com/658775/
[17:58] <slangasek> NCommander: mmk... no http proxy in the way either?
[17:58] <NCommander> none
[17:59] <slangasek> NCommander: grab a network trace with wireshark to see what's going on?
[18:00] <NCommander> slangasek: I just ran it on another machine and it worked
[18:00] <slangasek> alrighty
[18:00] <NCommander> so my laptop foobared
[18:00] <slangasek> so there are still two images on there that the script doesn't know how to handle yet: Kubuntu Desktop Arm, Ubuntu Core armel
[18:01] <slangasek> we might as well get those sorted in the script, so we don't have to do it by hand next time as well...
[18:01] <NCommander> yeah
[18:02] <NCommander> ugh
[18:02] <slangasek> actually, the first one is another case of inconsistent naming on the tracker
[18:02] <GrueMaster> What is the difference between Kubuntu Arm and Kubuntu Desktop Arm?  I don't even see a Kubuntu Arm listed.
[18:02] <NCommander> was publish-release modified to handle the tgz of ubuntu-core?
[18:02] <slangasek> jibel: can Kubuntu Desktop Arm (omap) be renamed to Kubuntu Desktop armel+omap on the tracker, please, and likewise for omap4?
[18:03] <slangasek> GrueMaster: no difference; it might be more correct to call this 'Kubuntu Preinstalled'?
[18:04] <slangasek> ah, the publisher code actually assumes that any armel images are preinstalled
[18:05] <slangasek> and maps 'Desktop' to 'preinstalled-desktop'
[18:05] <slangasek> so that's fine
[18:05] <GrueMaster> We also have kubuntu mobile.  I would say keep it at Kubuntu Desktop Arm, same as we have for Ubuntu Desktop
[18:05] <GrueMaster> ok
[18:05] <slangasek> it still needs fixing to Kubuntu Desktop armel+$subarch
[18:05] <jibel> slangasek, done
[18:05] <slangasek> jibel: thanks :)
[18:05] <slangasek> now to teach the script about Ubuntu Core
[18:06] <GrueMaster> Ah, that looks good.
[18:09]  * slangasek whines at the inconsistent directory layout of ubuntu-core
[18:10] <slangasek> I don't think publish-release is going to be able to handle this at all
[18:10] <GrueMaster> inconsistent?
[18:10] <slangasek> yes
[18:10] <slangasek> convention is $project/daily-$imagetype/$date
[18:11] <slangasek> ubuntu-core is using $project/$date
[18:12] <davmor2> slangasek: it's been like that for ever :D possibly due to there only being Ubuntu on the first release
[18:12] <GrueMaster> So it needs a ./daily/$DATE format.  I see.  Kind of adds an unneeded layer for now, but for future...
[18:13] <NCommander> skaet: did we spin a source image?
[18:13] <slangasek> davmor2: no, this is a new image called ubuntu-core which is defying the convention
[18:13] <slangasek> "ubuntu-core" != "ubuntu"
[18:13] <slangasek> :)
[18:14] <davmor2> slangasek: Ah okay
[18:14] <NCommander> slangasek: publish-release is probably going to break miserably
[18:14] <GrueMaster> davmor2: Think of ubuntu-core as an SOC independent extremely minimal chroot environment.
[18:14] <slangasek> GrueMaster: well, I need to get this fixed up to even be able to run the publishing scripts for it.  But first I want to figure out where ubuntu-core images are being *generated*, since it doesn't seem to be part of the public cdimage repo
[18:15] <slangasek> ah no, just looking in the wrong place
[18:15] <slangasek> found it
[18:15] <GrueMaster> Ask infinity.
[18:15] <GrueMaster> ok
[18:15] <NCommander> slangasek: we need a source image rebuild, last rebuild was 20110707
[18:16] <NCommander> slangasek: you won't happen to know the arcanic ruins for that offhand
[18:17] <NCommander> ^- skaet
[18:17] <slangasek> NCommander: I thought it was always built as part of the alternate CD build
[18:17] <NCommander> I thought it was a separate set of ruins. Either way, the image is horribly out of date
[18:17] <slangasek> where do you even see it?
[18:18] <NCommander> ~/cdimage/www/full/source/current/source/*
[18:19] <NCommander> the publish-image-set list has source on there which is why I checked to see if its been rebuilt
[18:19] <slangasek> hmm, that's not how it was being built last time I turned the crank
[18:19] <NCommander> the crank obviously has been changed :-/
[18:20] <slangasek> and someone didn't save the crank info in the authoritative crontab :)
[18:20] <NCommander> ECRACKNOTFOUND
[18:20] <NCommander> er
[18:20] <NCommander> should be CRANK but it kinda works either way
[18:21] <slangasek> there's a bin/cron.source; I'll try running it
[18:21] <NCommander> slangasek: k
[18:21] <GrueMaster> Doesn't follow naming conventions either.  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/source/current/source/.  Should be http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/source/current/.  Also, natty images shouldn't be in the daily dir.
[18:21] <NCommander> GrueMaster: source images are rarely used in the internet age
[18:22] <NCommander> GrueMaster: we forgot to publish them with natty release and the bug didn't come until 2 months later :-/
[18:22] <GrueMaster> I know, but if we are building cdimages for them, they should at least conform to standards.
[18:22] <NCommander> GrueMaster: agreed
[18:23] <NCommander> slangasek: i got a source-20110804.log, looks like that was the right cran
[18:23] <NCommander> *crank
[18:23] <NCommander> I'll publish everything else why we're waiting
[18:25]  * skaet nods
[18:25] <ScottK> skaet: Those match my expectations.  Please save the Kubuntu Desktop images for powerpc and amd64+mac as I have potential testers for them and we may be able to release them late.
[18:27] <slangasek> ScottK: how "late"?  Do you want us to leave the cronjob disabled for kubuntu desktop for a few days?
[18:27] <ScottK> slangasek: Please.  The amd64+mac tester is traveling to the desktop summit right now.
[18:27] <slangasek> ok
[18:28] <slangasek> skaet, NCommander: ^^ so we leave kubuntu desktop disabled in cron after release
[18:28] <skaet> ScottK, I deleted them from the iso tester after your indication we wouldn't be publishing,  but I'll see if they can be re-added.  (after we put the release out).
[18:28] <skaet> slangasek,  ack.  :)
[18:29] <ScottK> skaet: Thanks.  As long as we have the images somewhere, I think the ISO tracker is less important.
[18:29] <ScottK> skaet: Looking at tech overview now.
[18:29] <NCommander> slangasek: we're ignoring oversize for this cycle, due to transtitions?
[18:30] <skaet> NCommander,  yes
[18:30]  * NCommander is reconfirming
[18:32] <slangasek> skaet: what transitions are in progress that we should be leaning on immediately post-release?
[18:36] <skaet> slangasek, probably we should get together with cjwatson and pitti early next week, and do some prioritization/leaning.   We knew we would be oversized right now.
[18:36] <slangasek> ok
[18:36] <skaet> slangasek,  also need to get decision about USB/DVD image made.
[18:37] <slangasek> USB/DVD?
[18:37] <skaet> shrink down DVD to 1.5G
[18:37] <slangasek> right
[18:37] <slangasek> did we ever actually decide *what* we want to cut to get it there?
[18:38] <slangasek> I think that was the problem; we had a wide ranging discussion at UDS that identified lots of things that were expendable, but no firm decision on what to keep and what to cut
[18:40] <NCommander> slangasek: with the expect of source, we're published
[18:41] <slangasek> NCommander: and -core?
[18:41] <NCommander> er,expection of core and source:-)
[18:42] <skaet> NCommander,  let me know when its started showing up on the mirrors.
[18:42] <NCommander> skaet: I haven't ran sync mirrors yet, still waiting for source to build
[18:42] <NCommander> slangasek: core going to require significant changes to publish-release to publish
[18:43] <slangasek> rather, I need to change the daily build scripts for it, munge the existing tree, and then teach publish-release about it using the existing model
[18:44] <NCommander> that works too, although sounds timeconfusingly annoying
[18:45] <slangasek> it's the right way around
[18:53] <ScottK> skaet: Kubuntu bits in the tech overview.
[18:57] <slangasek> ah, infinity co-opted build-livecd-base to do the ubuntu-core building, hum
[19:01] <smoser> skaet, slangasek cloud-images are ready. If i am not around, please ping utlemming and he can push the release button.
[19:01] <skaet> ScottK,  just scanned through.  Looks good,  thanks.
[19:01] <smoser> if *that* fails, then call my cell.
[19:01] <skaet> smoser,  you can start pushing the button now.
[19:01] <skaet> rest are going out.
[19:01] <smoser> well then, button being pushed.
[19:02] <skaet> Announce will happen when the mirrors are showing them.
[19:02] <smoser> utlemming, i have the above ^
[19:02] <utlemming> k
[19:03] <slangasek> skaet, smoser: I think we're probably ready to pull the lever on cloud, no?
[19:03] <slangasek> ah yes, so you said :)
[19:03] <smoser> its being pulled.
[19:03] <skaet> :)
[19:03] <slangasek> yay
[19:04] <NCommander> \o/
[19:04] <NCommander> source is done, publishing
[19:10] <slangasek> publish-image-set taught about Ubuntu core images
[19:12] <skaet> Thanks slangasek!
[19:13] <NCommander> slangasek: thecommand itself doesn'twork
[19:13]  * NCommander kicks his space
[19:13] <NCommander> cdimage@antimony:~/cdimage$ ARCHES='armel' for-project ubuntu publish-release daily-preinstalled 20110802 preinstalled-core no alpha-3
[19:13] <NCommander> No daily for oneiric armel on 20110802!
[19:14] <slangasek> NCommander: yeah, these ubuntu-core images have been built in a way that defies all the conventions
[19:14] <NCommander> great
[19:14] <slangasek> do we *have* to release these with alpha3?  Can I kick it back to infinity and make him do it over? :P
[19:14] <NCommander> it shouldn't really be preinstall
[19:14] <NCommander> it should be rootfs
[19:15] <slangasek> I think that's a gratuitous name difference
[19:15] <NCommander> and ++ slangasek's idea
[19:15] <NCommander> slangasek: generally when I think of preinstall, I think of an all in one solution; not some assembly required like I think with core :-P
[19:15] <Daviey> skaet: Everything on track for server iso's?
[19:16] <NCommander> slangasek: its not the only rootfs ship we've shipped Kubuntu Mobile was a rootfs on N900 and shipped as daily-live
[19:16] <skaet> Daviey,  yes,  smoser's pushed the button to publish cloud image,  we've pushed out server
[19:17] <skaet> Daviey,  waiting for them to be picked up, visible, etc. now.
[19:17] <smoser> https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/oneiric/alpha-3/
[19:17] <NCommander> skaet: I haven't pushed sync-mirrors, nothing should push out until I do
[19:17]  * skaet makes a note to update a link in the TechOverview.
[19:18] <Daviey> skaet / smoser: good cookies.
[19:18] <Daviey> skaet: I already did earlier :)
[19:18] <skaet> Thanks Daviey !  :)
[19:19] <slangasek> NCommander: kubuntu-mobile-11.04-preinstalled-mobile-armel+omap4.img.gz <-- not a rootfs tarball, at least
[19:20] <NCommander> it was a rootfs:-P
[19:20]  * NCommander scurvies out of sight
[19:24] <NCommander> slangasek: stillnot happy publishing core despite the name change
[19:25] <charlie-tca> Did anyone find a reason I can't install the Xubuntu desktop images?
[19:26] <slangasek> NCommander: yep, I've constructed a for-project commandline by hand now; am going back to adjust publish-image-set accordingly
[19:26] <slangasek> NCommander: so ubuntu-core/releases now exists, so I guess everything's good now?
[19:26] <slangasek> the source image is built too
[19:26] <NCommander> slangasek: yeah, just need to sanity and cross-check
[19:27] <NCommander> charlie-tca: bah, you didn't want Xubuntu A3 published, did you due to the broken image?
[19:27] <charlie-tca> right
[19:27] <charlie-tca> Until we find why it is not installing on hardware
[19:27] <NCommander> Oh good
[19:27] <NCommander> I had enough forsight to delete it out of the tracker last night which caused it not to publish
[19:27] <slangasek> charlie-tca: how is it failing?
[19:27] <NCommander> Carry on :-)
[19:28] <Daviey> smoser / utlemming: Can one of you two drive getting the updated template/theme for cloud-images.* .. lacking branding!
[19:28] <charlie-tca> it hangs at "Configuring target system" on both 32bit and 64bit computers
[19:29] <charlie-tca> slangasek: bug 820731
[19:29] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 820731 in casper (Ubuntu) "Oneiric Ocelot Xubuntu Desktop images fail to install (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/820731
[19:30] <slangasek> skaet: we have an action item for infinity (or someone) to clean up the publishing of ubuntu-core images; the current publishing is a complete bodge repurposing a script that wasn't meant to be used this way, and the filenames are (IMHO gratuitously) different from any other images we've built before which means they either need to have their names changed or publish-release needs to be extended to know about them
[19:30] <skaet> slangasek,  yup agree.
[19:30] <slangasek> (would really prefer the former; it's not scalable to have publish-release work with every filename under the sun)
[19:30] <slangasek> fortunately, this is why we have alphas so we get these issues shaken out before beta ;)
[19:31] <NCommander> slangasek: right, so I'm doing the final cross-check and we still have edubuntu and desktop A2 release folders
[19:31] <Daviey> charlie-tca: Isn't gnome-power-manager being deprecated?
[19:31] <NCommander> should I bring death to them?
[19:31] <charlie-tca> I don't know. Xubuntu doesn't use it
[19:31] <skaet> slangasek,  indeed it is.   Will add it to the actions on the weekly agenda so it gets tracked there, but we'd best follow up offline.
[19:32] <charlie-tca> casper should not require gnome-power-manager
[19:33] <slangasek> NCommander: yes, those directories should be moved to ~/cdimage/old-images/{releases,edubuntu/releases}/oneiric
[19:33] <charlie-tca> Daviey: casper should be generic, shouldn't it?
[19:34] <slangasek> Daviey: s/deprecated/rendered worthless by GNOME upstream design decisions/, ITYM :P
[19:34] <Daviey> charlie-tca: ack, sure is a bug - looks like bdmurray identified the location.
[19:34] <Daviey> slangasek: :D
[19:34] <NCommander> k
[19:34] <NCommander> old images cleared out
[19:35] <charlie-tca> How do I get that fixed now?
[19:35] <NCommander> with the exception of ubuntu-core old ones
[19:36] <slangasek> NCommander: in what sense is ubuntu-core an exception?
[19:36] <NCommander> skaet: slangasek bah, edubuntu dvd never made it onto the tracker! its untested AFAIK
[19:36] <slangasek> did you mean xubuntu maybe?
[19:36] <NCommander> slangasek: it has old those folders ofold builds
[19:36] <Daviey> Would seeding gnome-power-manager in Xubuntu cause any problems for A3?
[19:37] <slangasek> NCommander: ok - but you weren't actually clearing out old dailies or anything.  just making sure :)
[19:37] <charlie-tca> Direct conflict with xfce4-power-manager, yes
[19:37] <slangasek> NCommander: I see edubuntu dvd on the tracker just fine
[19:37] <skaet> NCommander,  edubuntu DVD has been tested by stgraber,  and he's signing off on the images.
[19:37] <NCommander> bah
[19:37]  * NCommander shutsup
[19:38] <NCommander> right, I'm idiot
[19:38] <NCommander> ignore me
[19:38] <skaet> NCommander,  much rather you ask if something seems like an anomoly.  :)
[19:38] <stgraber> edubuntu definitely was on the tracker, I even left comments for each of the tests ;)
[19:39] <slangasek> is everything published to our satisfaction?  Time to hit 'sync-mirror' (if you haven't already, NCommander?)
[19:40] <NCommander> slangasek: looks good to me, the diff is in/tmp/diff if you want to review
[19:40] <NCommander> slangasek: BTW, do you know how to edit the cdimage.u.c./netboot page? Its out of date
[19:40] <slangasek> NCommander: edit by hand
[19:41] <NCommander> k
[19:41] <slangasek> NCommander: pass on reviewing the diff, TL;DR :)
[19:41] <NCommander> slangasek: I'llpost the index.html diff,the tree diff is already up
[19:44] <NCommander> slangasek: http://paste.ubuntu.com/658839/
[19:45] <GrueMaster> Erm, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/daily-preinstalled/ has no files anymore.
[19:45] <NCommander> GrueMaster: it will get fixed when I smack the sync-mirror script
[19:45] <slangasek> GrueMaster: rather, I suspect they're still syncing
[19:46] <slangasek> they weren't in ubuntu-core/daily-preinstalled before, but ubuntu-core/*... since they've moved, they have to resync
[19:46] <slangasek> NCommander: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/oneiric/ might have the wrong list of images?
[19:46] <NCommander> slangasek: http://paste.ubuntu.com/658841/
[19:47] <NCommander> slangasek: just finished that :-)
[19:47] <GrueMaster> Not sure that they are preinstalled.
[19:47] <slangasek> (like the non-existent 'versatile' one)
[19:47] <slangasek> NCommander: ack
[19:47] <NCommander> are we finally ready to hit sync-mirror?
[19:48] <slangasek> GrueMaster: well, as said above, the ubuntu-core images that have been published are currently a total bodge; we can rename them for the next milestone once we get some clarity around what they're supposed to be / do
[19:48] <slangasek> NCommander: yes
[19:48] <NCommander> crank turned
[19:49] <persia> slangasek, What sort of clarity are you seeking?
[19:50] <NCommander> persia: thats a loaded question if I've ever seen one :-P
[19:53] <slangasek> persia: so if these images really need to use completely different filenames (rootfs.tar.gz instead of one of the many other already-recognized types), then someone needs to take care of adding support to publish-release et al. for this; and the current daily publishing that abuses publish-livecd-base instead of using publish-daily like all the others means that bits of the directory structure are missing, and image rotation isn't happ
[19:53] <slangasek> ... publish-release doesn't know how to deal with it
[19:53] <slangasek> so the differences in how these images are handled vs. the existing ones need to be accounted for
[19:54] <persia> slangasek, Ah, right.  Yeah, the names were sadly broken.  Filetype is correct, but the rest of the name is not.
[19:55] <NCommander> laptop battery is about to go poof, brb
[19:55] <slangasek> persia: also, there's the question of whether we think these should be published as cdimage.u.c/releases/oneiric/$milestone/ubuntu-core-*, or cdimage.u.c/ubuntu-core/releases/oneiric/$milestone/ubuntu-core-*, or releases.u.c/releases/oneiric/ubuntu-core-*
[19:56] <persia> I've never really understood how the decisions for any of those options were taken.
[19:57] <slangasek> rough consensus :)
[19:59] <persia> By ~ubuntu-cdimage, or some other group?
[20:00] <jibel> Kubuntu Desktop (amd64+mac|powerpc) 20110803.1 restored on tracker
[20:01] <slangasek> persia: I think it's ubuntu-release with input from TB as well as Canonical IS on questions of feasibility
[20:01] <ScottK> jibel: Thanks.
[20:02] <persia> slangasek, Ah, that makes sense.  Thanks.
[20:15]  * NCommander drums his fingers while waiting for the sync to finish
[20:21] <NCommand1r> my VPS just went to uber-slow mode :-(
[20:21] <NCommand1r> slangasek: did you get my ping?
[20:22] <NCommand1r> also, any chance I can slip away for 30m and grab lunch?
[20:29] <NCommand1r> I'm going ot grab lunch. I have my phone on me and will be on Mobile IRC if needed
[20:31] <slangasek> NCommand1r: I believe we're done now, so enjoy your lunch :)
[20:32] <slangasek> skaet: ^^ AFAIK everything's published
[21:18] <Daviey> soft-freeze thawed now?
[21:20] <ScottK> Yes.
[21:20] <Daviey> Groovy.
[21:42] <jbicha> hi, very minor thing but the title for http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/oneiric/alpha-3/ says Daily Build
[21:42] <jbicha> the alpha 2 page has it correct
[21:43] <skaet> jbicha,  you're seeing mirroring effects.
[21:43] <skaet> I was having it too.
[21:43] <jbicha> skaet: thanks
[21:43] <skaet> np.
[21:44] <skaet> all,  Alpha 3 is now released.
[21:45] <Daviey> \o/
[21:46] <slangasek> jbicha: is it fixed with a shift-reload?
[21:46] <slangasek> ah, no, it's still out there
[21:46] <Daviey> Shows Alpha 3 for me.
[21:47] <slangasek> skaet: what does IS say the current max disk footprint for cdimage is?
[21:47] <skaet> NComander,  slangasek, stgraber, charlie-tca - very much appreciate your help with getting this one out the door!  Thank you!!
[21:47] <skaet> slangasek,  1 T,  they're about to move to a 2T system.
[21:47] <skaet> they were waiting until we got this release out.
[21:48] <charlie-tca> I feel like I didn't do so much this time.
[21:48] <slangasek> skaet: hrm, that doesn't sound right; we've never been above 600GB
[21:48] <skaet> slangasek,  I'm going from memory of a conversation - will double check.
[21:52] <slangasek> jbicha: can you still reproduce the "Daily Build" problem?
[21:58] <jbicha> slangasek: no, thanks
[21:58] <slangasek> cool
[21:58] <slangasek> I'm not 100% certain it's fixed, so if you (or anyone else) sees it again, please let me know
[22:24] <bdmurray> Does anybody happen to know what Natty has no datereleased using the API?
[22:28] <slangasek> no idea what that references; I only know about release dates for milestones in LP, not series
[23:09] <skaet> ScottK,  there's a fair amount of kubuntu/*/hardy/ space being used on cdimage,  can it go to old-images?
[23:19] <ScottK> skaet: Yes.
[23:20] <skaet> ScottK,  thanks
[23:23] <infinity> slangasek: Sorry about not thinking about releases publishing with ubuntu-core beforehand.  Will fix a bit more permanently when I get home (and argue with people about naming, if they feel the need to bikeshed)
[23:40] <slangasek> infinity: ack and thanks :)
[23:42] <infinity> slangasek: Want to mail me a grumpy reminder about it?  I'm about to pass out, then spend a day on trains and planes, so who knows if I'll remember the last few hours. :P
[23:44] <slangasek> infinity: sent
[23:44] <slangasek> you can tell it's a grumpy reminder because I only have one smiley in the body
[23:44] <infinity> slangasek: :P


[03:12] <Bashing-om> G nite
[04:27] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:29] <acheron-a> hello lotuspsychje
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> hey there acheron-a
[04:30] <lotuspsychje> acheron-a: first time in discuss?
[04:30] <acheron-a> yes
[04:30] <lotuspsychje> acheron-a: welcome mate
[04:30] <acheron-a> i'm using ubuntu now
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> very good, wich version did you install?
[04:31] <acheron-a> 16.04.2
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> great
[04:31] <acheron-a> just ubuntu with unity
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> acheron-a: linux lover before also, or first time ubuntu ever?
[04:32] <acheron-a> quite a change from mint cinn but i am adapting
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> acheron-a: what made you change?
[04:32] <acheron-a> unity seems to be the most stable
[04:33] <lotuspsychje> acheron-a: all ubuntu official flavors are pretty stable, and if you choose LTS certainly
[04:33] <lotuspsychje> !flavors
[04:33] <acheron-a> had problems with grub2 failures doing a clean install on 18.0 and 18.1 on a linux certified computer that had never had a problem before installing
[04:33] <lotuspsychje> well i dont like mint, but thats personal opinion
[04:34] <acheron-a> at log as secure boot and fast boot were tuned off, i have installed many distros on this computer
[04:34] <acheron-a> mint has lost focus
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> philipballew: morning mate
[04:35] <acheron-a> they were trying to update something in the installer at the same time, as long as you disconnected the LAN, the install would work
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> acheron-a: mint does all sorts of weird stuff, its not supposed to
[04:35] <acheron-a> mint devs have gotten too distracted creating their own apps for cinn
[04:36] <acheron-a> yeah, after 9 months, i decided to give it up
[04:36] <lotuspsychje> thats why i love ubuntu flavors vanilla so much
[04:36] <acheron-a> especially after they messed up the sound in 18.1
[04:37] <acheron-a> 18.0 i mean
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> does everything you want and rocksolid
[04:37] <acheron-a> yeah
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> here and there some bugs, but every Os has bugs right
[04:38] <acheron-a> i created desktop entries for scripts and put them in /.local/share/applications/
[04:39] <acheron-a> unity picked them right up
[04:39] <acheron-a> easier to back up and restore settings than on mint
[04:39] <acheron-a> becaus of like you said
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> i like external media as backup
[04:42] <acheron-a> two things i wont put up with, failure to boot and failure to install llol
[04:42] <acheron-a> yes, i use a samsung T3
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> acheron-a: oh, i have few nice apps you can install on ubuntu
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> !info preload
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> this one a must-have
[04:43] <acheron-a> i'm on a SSD, dont need it
[04:43] <philipballew> lotuspsychje, hey
[04:43] <philipballew> its night here :)
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> acheron-a: its just on ssd that it works so great
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> philipballew: good evening then :p
[04:47] <philipballew> haha! Thanks. where do you live these days?
[04:47] <lotuspsychje> philipballew: .be
[04:47] <lotuspsychje> philipballew: you?
[04:48] <philipballew> lotuspsychje, California
[04:48] <philipballew> San Diego California, the main town on the Mexico border
[04:48] <lotuspsychje> acheron-a: clementine, vlc, rar, chromium-browser,mupdf,smplayer,bleachbit
[04:48] <lotuspsychje> philipballew: cool, hows the weather :p
[04:48] <philipballew> high of 75 F today
[04:48] <philipballew> thats like 22 C I think
[04:49] <philipballew> in C its usually always between 15 and 25
[04:49] <lotuspsychje> what a dream
[04:49] <lotuspsychje> belgium is rainland lol
[04:50] <lotuspsychje> 8 months a year bad weather
[04:50] <lotuspsychje> the rest we call summer :p
[05:14] <acheron-a> !stats
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> !msgthebot | acheron-a
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> !factoids | acheron-a find the triggers here
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> ping
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^ & baizon
[06:31] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> hows thats ryzen beast comming up baizon ?
[06:32] <baizon> hi lotuspsychje
[06:32] <baizon> not here :(
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> lil more wait?
[06:32] <baizon> my graphics card broke and i had to buy a new one :(
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> ouch
[06:32] <baizon> yep, i have to wait until April
[06:33] <baizon> but yeah i got an AMD 480 4G :)
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> nice one
[06:40] <baizon> damn... https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B06X3W9NGG
[07:06] <lotuspsychje> baizon: wow nice one
[07:12] <ducasse> morning all
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> how r you mate
[07:14] <ducasse> good, thanks. how about you?
[07:15] <lotuspsychje> great here
[07:15] <lotuspsychje> sunday birthday party today with family
[07:15] <ducasse> oh, yours?
[07:17] <alkisg> Good morning guys :)
[07:17] <ducasse> morning :)
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> hey alkisg :p fav us :p
[07:19] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: brother of my gf, his sons 2nd birthday
[07:20] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: well, have fun anyway, and eat lots of cake :)
[07:20] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: yeah tnx mate, whats you day looking at?
[07:22] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: not much tbh, i might walk up the hill and take a walk in the woods. depends on the weather.
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> cool
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> norways is such a beauty! im jaleous
[07:25] <ducasse> i'll probably bring the neighbor's dog, they are too old to take it on long walks themselves.
[07:26] <lotuspsychje> thats friendly of you
[07:26] <ducasse> it doesn't cost me anything, so why not :)
[07:26] <ducasse> i know the dog loves it.
[07:27] <ducasse> she's an american akita - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akita_(dog)
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> nice
[07:44] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: bit like that japanese dog
[07:49] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: very much so, if you are thinking of the japanese akita :)
[08:15] <lotuspsychje> bbl guys, have a nice sunday all
[10:54] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:55] <OerHeks> hi di hi, lordievader
[11:00] <lordievader> Hey OerHeks, how are you doing?
[11:02] <OerHeks> Good, lazy sunday, how are you?
[11:06] <lordievader> Doing good, got coffee :)
[13:51] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:54] <OerHeks> hi BluesKaj :-D
[13:55] <ducasse> morning BluesKaj, OerHeks
[13:56] <OerHeks> heya ducasse
[13:59] <BluesKaj> Hey OerHeks, ducasse...beautiful morning here, looks like spring
[13:59] <OerHeks> here too, the trees are already showing a green haxze
[13:59] <OerHeks> c/haze
[14:00] <BluesKaj> well, our spring starts when the snow melts
[14:02] <BluesKaj> a green tinge on the trees indicates summer to us :-)
[14:03] <OerHeks> https://www.dropbox.com/s/fki8c5td32glcv2/2017spring.JPG?dl=0
[14:04] <OerHeks> in 4 weeks, i don't see much of the buildings there
[14:04] <BluesKaj> nice
[14:08] <OerHeks> going for a long walk, later!
[16:12] <pauljw_AOD257> hi everyone
[16:13] <OerHeks> hi pauljw_AOD257
[16:14] <pauljw_AOD257> hi OerHeks :)
[16:17] <ducasse> hi pauljw_AOD257, are you enjoying the cabin?
[16:18] <pauljw_AOD257> hey ducasse, yes we are!  went down to Pigeon Forge for about an hour to do some shopping and couldn't wait to get back. :)
[16:23] <ducasse> well, have a good time :) i'm working at some translations, struggling with some terms we just don't have our own words for (like email headers), and the ones we do have are terrible and artificial.
[16:27] <pauljw_AOD257> ah, that's quite a job, best of luck with that.  thanks, we are having fun.  :)


[07:02] <bazhang> looks to be an issue
[07:02] <bazhang> MLP to the rescue!
[07:27] <Corey> bazhang: I did kinda bait him at the end, but COME ON...
[07:27] <Corey> He's been going on like a spoiled child for the last hour.
[07:27] <bazhang> Corey, more than half the channel had enough of him
[07:28] <bazhang> he had the solution, and started up with (again) I dont want to run commands in the shell
[07:28] <bazhang> which his unsupported method absolutely needed
 see, linux is just plane awful
[07:39] <Corey> Oh it's horrible!
[07:40] <bazhang> KDEmergency!111
[07:49] <Tm_T> wut?
[07:50] <bazhang> Chriswere
 Hey guys, got a bit of a work related emergency. I've just booted up and Kdenlive isn't offering up the 3d effects like it usuall does.
[07:50] <bazhang> he actually meant to say KDE
[07:51] <Tm_T> aw
[08:05] <elky> compiz is now work related?
[08:06] <Tm_T> compiz?
[08:07] <elky> 3d effects?
[08:08] <bazhang> well kwin for KDE4 I suppose
[08:09] <Tm_T> Kwin yes
[09:27] <Myrtti> incoming possibly
[09:28] <ikonia> ?
[09:28] <ikonia> one is current banned in -server too and dodging
[09:28] <ikonia> he's banned in #ubuntu #ubuntu-server and #ubuntu-offtopic (I think offtopic too but I'm not sure)
[09:28] <Myrtti> well I don't see any reason to ban him from server right now
[09:29] <ikonia> no, not at the moment
[09:29] <ikonia> however he was banned a day or two ago for being rude to people not helping him fast enough
[09:29] <ikonia> as this guy is a pain in the backside
[09:30] <Myrtti> oh I know
[09:30] <ikonia> people where helping him and he was complaining they where too slow or holding information back from him....which they where not
[09:30] <Myrtti> how well do I know.
[09:30] <ikonia> then I believe he joined #freenode and got muted for a similar issue
[09:31] <DJones> I've seen him be very offensive in #freenode
[09:31] <ikonia> of course, he's a waste of time/space
[10:18] <one> -b one
[10:19] <DJones> No
[10:25] <one>  /join #ubuntu returns You are banned
[10:25] <k1l> one: that is right
[10:25] <one> modify
[10:25] <k1l> no
[10:25] <one> yes
[10:27] <k1l> you showed on several issues that you are not willing to stick to the guidelines. so you recieved several kicks and bans. you didnt stop so now you are banned for some time.
[10:27] <one> false
[10:29] <k1l> if you think its false it proves the point that the ban will stay :/
[10:30] <one> condition unmet
[10:32] <k1l> so if you just want to make nonsense and waste volunteers time, i would suggest you try to find a new hobby
[10:32] <one> again condition unmet
[10:33] <DJones> One the ban will not be removed at this time, please leave the channel
[10:34] <one> am object is incapable of will, please identify the offender(s)
[10:34] <ikonia> condition met
[10:34] <DJones> Thank you
[10:42] <Myrtti> I'm not sure that was needed
[10:43] <Myrtti> in -server
[10:43] <ikonia> I'm tired of it
[10:43] <ikonia> it's the same loop over and over
[17:00] <one_> why was I banned
[17:01] <one_> I wanted to get a chance to thank those who helped
[17:01] <ikonia> one_: enough - go away
[17:02] <ikonia> one_: very tired of the nonsense you put into the channels
[17:02] <ikonia> to be clear you are not to use #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server
[17:02] <one_> tell brace hellina and the one who pasted the link first I say thanks
[17:02] <ikonia> you ARE banned and not welcome in there
[17:02] <ikonia> if you change your attitude/comments you will be allowed back in
[17:02] <one_> you are not my judge you moron
[17:03] <ikonia> so calling names won't help
[17:03] <one_> well you do not even let me thank those who help
[17:03] <ikonia> and actually we do look after the people using the channels so the operator team "is" the judge
[17:03] <ikonia> one_: I'll thank them for you now
[17:03] <one_> dont screw it up ok
[17:03] <one_> "one says thank you"
[17:04] <one_> to the three i mentioned
[17:04] <ikonia> all done
[17:04] <one_> if you can figure out the first one its not on my screen anymore
[17:04] <ikonia> don't worry I saw the conversation
[17:04] <ikonia> they all know
[17:04] <ikonia> now please find some other channels to use
[17:05] <one_> no room for Jesus huh?
[17:05] <ikonia> no
[17:05] <one_> wrath is coming
[17:05] <ikonia> ok
[18:14] <bazhang> he wants to "destroy 3D"
[18:15] <bazhang> like when he has a 3D MOVIE
[18:15] <Pici> oh, I got a hilight (on my watch) about that last night.
[18:15] <bazhang> known issue/troll
[18:16] <bazhang> hol stein gave him a command to run: his response "didn't help"
[18:16] <ikonia> why has he just pasted a huge apt output
[18:16] <Pici> Oh, I know he is a long-time problem user.
[18:16] <ikonia> or log of it
[18:16] <bazhang> he's just wasting time
[18:16] <Pici> ikonia: the world may never know
[18:16] <ikonia> ha ha ha
[18:16] <ikonia> best response in a long time
[18:16] <bazhang> ask Mr. OWL!
 MOVIE
[18:17] <Pici> MOVIE
[18:17] <ikonia> end this
[18:17] <bazhang> that clears everything up!
[18:18] <ikonia> it's just a waste of time
[18:18] <Pici> bazhang: ahaha
[18:19] <Myrtti> ikonia: what does it matter where he got the film from?
[18:19] <ikonia> because it tells you what file it is
[18:19] <ikonia> how it's encoded etc
[18:20] <ikonia> as he clearly isn't going to know himself
[18:20] <ikonia> also if it's from a torrent it's probably some dodgy copy that may not work / filled with crap
[18:20] <bazhang> it's a non-question
[18:20] <ikonia> if he says "I got it from itunes" you know the file's properties straight away
[18:20] <bazhang> 3D effects have zero to do with 3D movies
[18:20] <ikonia> is that what he's talking about 3d effects
[18:21] <ikonia> not 3d movies
[18:21] <bazhang> compiz etc
[18:21] <bazhang> he's falsely conflating the two
[18:22] <Pici> oh well
[18:25] <bazhang> gmtp works great for that (file transfer android---ubuntu)
[18:25] <Pici> I thought there was someone with a similar nick that was kind and helpful, but I must be confusing things.
[18:26] <bazhang> xshellz founder? yikes
[18:30] <jbroome> Oh jeez, is he asking the same linux 101 questions in #ubuntu that he usually does in #centos ?
[18:31] <bazhang> StephenS?
[18:31] <jbroome> and being obstinate.  good to see he's consistant
[18:31] <jbroome> yeah
[18:31] <bazhang> hehe
[18:32] <Pici> Its not basic stuff, but he is making it impossible to troubleshoot.
[18:32] <ikonia> he's trying to be a problem, sending me a load of abuse in private
[18:32] <jbroome> the stuff he was asking about in #centos didn't exactly make me want to shell (ha!) out money for his service
[18:33] <ikonia> jbroome: worst pun ever ?
[18:33] <jbroome> i'm sure i've done worse
[19:45]  * Pici fixes ikonia's kickban aliases
[19:45] <ikonia> I'll do it now actually
[20:08] <JosefStalin> !ops
[20:08] <JosefStalin> why is bazhang a bully?
[20:08] <bazhang> is that rhetorical?
[20:08] <JosefStalin> ban me ^_^
[20:08] <k1l> JosefStalin: your ident is no appropriate.
[20:08] <JosefStalin> !ops
[20:08] <JosefStalin> josefstalin saved the jews from hitler!
[20:09] <JosefStalin> Hitler was the bad man
[20:09] <topyli> no ban. it's not a good idea to be banned here
[20:10] <topyli> for the record, obscentities in pm right away
[20:10] <bazhang> well, he called me a bully in PM, not exactly a curse
[20:10] <k1l> realname is inapporpriate for ubuntu channels, too. i think even for frennode
[20:10] <jbroome> i got "its my right of speech bitch"
[20:11] <bazhang> heh
[20:11] <topyli> i'm not going to repeat here what i'm getting in pm now :)
[20:26] <topyli> oh i miss this guy. what an artist. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=170156476470961&set=a.139947862825156.32171.139937246159551&type=1&theater
[20:49] <jbroome> the anal probes
[20:50] <Fuchs> ...
[21:25] <topyli> oh that's just the beginning
[22:12] <k1l> when one away nick is not enough: Siebjee|away|awa
[22:26] <IdleOne> lol


[06:49] <dholbach> good morning
[06:51] <svij> hey dholbach
[06:51] <dholbach> hey svij
[07:50] <davidcalle> Good morning o/
[07:53] <dholbach> hey davidcalle
[07:54] <davidcalle> Hey dholbach, how are things?
[07:55] <dholbach> good good - how about you?
[07:56] <davidcalle> dholbach: same :)
[07:58] <dholbach> hey dpm
[11:12] <elacheche> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/03/30/ubuntu-on-windows-the-ubuntu-userspace-for-windows-developers/?utm_source=ubunteu&utm_medium=url_shortner&utm_term=RBOWP7&utm_campaign=shortner
[11:19] <tsimonq2> ^ that's huge
[11:19] <tsimonq2> we should prepare for a large amount of contributors coming in from Windows
[11:20] <tsimonq2> s/Windows/Windows 10/
[14:25] <jcastro> hey mhall119
[14:25] <jcastro> have you ever tried a progressive web app on ubuntu touch?
[14:49] <mhall119> progressive?
[14:49] <mhall119> or responsive
[14:51] <mhall119> jcastro: ^^ ?
[14:51] <jcastro> progressive
[14:51] <jcastro> it's like the thing the chrome guys are pushing, native-looking apps that can make a shortcut on your homescreen
[14:51] <jcastro> here's an example: https://hackerwebapp.com/
[14:51] <jcastro> the G+ website can do a similar thing
[14:52] <mhall119> jcastro: is it just a website wrapped in an android webview?
[15:01] <mhall119> jcastro: https://www.dropbox.com/s/9epyeidpxln2gig/screenshot20160331_105936295.png?dl=0
[15:01] <jcastro> man, awesome
[15:02] <jcastro> that's what I was hoping for
[15:02] <jcastro> https://developers.google.com/web/progressive-web-apps?hl=en
[15:02] <jcastro> so like, they have push notifications, offline support, etc.
[15:02] <jcastro> and I was like "ok whatever"
[15:02] <jcastro> but they're actually pretty awesome
[15:03] <mhall119> jcastro: made that in 2 minutes on https://developer.ubuntu.com/webapp-generator/
[15:03] <mhall119> they have offline support, not notifications yet but that'sbeing worked ok
[15:04] <mhall119> in theory the browser could generate these for local use only
[15:05] <jcastro> so if we do the hackerweb through this process it should Just Work right?
[15:06] <mhall119> yup, I put in the URL, icon and name, and it gave me a .click package
[15:07] <jcastro> ok let's pretend this was my app
[15:07] <jcastro> nevermind, I see the publish link instructions, heh
[15:07] <jcastro> spoke too soon
[15:08] <mhall119> I've already put it in the store
[15:08]  * popey rejects it
[15:08]  * mhall119 blames popey
[15:10] <popey> it's waiting for you to publish
[15:10] <mhall119> just hit the button
[15:10] <popey> (personally I think this is the wrong thing to do)
[15:11] <popey> works nicely on the device
[15:12] <mhall119> jcastro: https://www.dropbox.com/s/p3miel1n76o0ug2/screenshot20160331_111148200.png?dl=0
[15:13] <mhall119> popey: it's a nice webapp
[15:13] <popey> it should be local, in a www/
[15:13] <popey> because you are now beholden to him and his whims
[15:13] <popey> (which is why I detest webapps)
[15:17] <mhall119> it would be nice if it opened external links using the slide-up webview like FB does, instead of calling out ot the browser
[15:17] <mhall119> davidcalle: ^^ is that something we can add to the webapp generator?
[15:26] <popey> bah "Can not create a new package with name hackerweb, multiple origins for hackerweb are not allowed"
[15:26] <popey> so it looks like even clicks can't have the same app name now
[15:26] <popey> mhall119: squatter! :)
[15:28] <mhall119> I'll sell it to you
[15:28] <mhall119> $1,000,000
[15:37] <mhall119> popey: if you have a better (running locally) version of HackerWeb, I will delete mine to freeup the namespace
[15:38] <popey> you're too kind
[15:38] <popey> I've renamed mine
[16:13] <davidcalle> mhall119: opening links in the same view?
[16:14] <davidcalle> mhall119: by default, the generator restricts you webapp to the same domain, but yeah, could be turned into a feature choice.
[16:15] <mhall119> davidcalle: so with the facebook of G+ apps, if I click a link that goes to another domain, it opens it up within the webapp, but it slides a new page onto the stack to show it
[16:19] <popey> \o/ hackerweb local app in the store
[16:19] <popey> bit big :)
[16:19] <popey> I should trim it a touch
[16:22] <mhall119> how big?
[16:22] <popey> 9.8M :)
[16:22] <mhall119> oh, yeah, that's big
[16:27] <davidcalle> mhall119: yeah, I have that on Desktop for some custom webapps I've made for myself as well. I see what you mean, I'll add it.
[16:28]  * davidcalle drives home, see you tomorrow o/
[16:32] <mhall119> davidcalle: I guess we're not having out call then?
[17:32] <dholbach> all right my friends - I call it a day
[19:29] <davidcalle> mhall119: oh sorry! The meeting distracted me from it
[19:32] <davidcalle> mhall119: do you want to do it now?


[09:47] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke gutsy * r4377 /debian/ (README changelog rules): strip out unwanted directories automatically
[12:36] <ubotu> New bug: #140002 in ubuntu-docs (main) "Error installing upgraded cupsys" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/140002


[09:32] <jelmer> mars: are you still on call?
[09:33] <jelmer> given your time zone I'm going to assume "no", if you're still there please speak up :-)
[16:08] <bigjools> jelmer: review coming your way in a couple of minutes!
[16:09]  * jelmer braces for impact
[16:11] <bigjools> jelmer: https://code.launchpad.net/~julian-edwards/launchpad/delete-packages-api-bug-687298/+merge/43098
[16:11] <bigjools> waiting for the diff  ...
[16:45] <jelmer> bigjools: r=me
[16:45] <bigjools> jelmer: lovely, thanks
[16:45] <jelmer> bigjools: I think we need a policy on what to name web API compatibility functions
[16:46] <jelmer> I've seen various prefixes: web_, api_, _
[16:46] <bigjools> jelmer: totally.
[16:46] <bigjools> api_ seems an obvious choice
[16:46] <bigjools> jelmer: you could bring it up on the dev list?
[16:49] <jelmer> bigjools: I was thinking of adding it to the proposed items list for the reviewers meeting on the wiki, do you think emailing the list is better?
[16:53] <bigjools> jelmer: I think the list is better, I expect it'll get bikeshedded to death


[10:28] <acheronuk> On uploading packages, the kubuntu CI is getting html timeout pages and errors such as "Unable to connect to SSH host ppa.launchpad.net; EOF during negotiation" this morning
[10:34] <jonathon> is there maintenance going on at the mo? i'm getting 503 errors and (almost immediate) build failures with no logs...
[10:35] <acheronuk> [11:28] <acheronuk> On uploading packages, the kubuntu CI is getting html timeout pages and errors such as "Unable to connect to SSH host ppa.launchpad.net; EOF during negotiation" this morning
[10:36] <acheronuk> jonathon: ^^ so I think you are not alone
[10:36] <jonathon> acheronuk: right, thank you
[10:36] <jonathon> just as extra info (and to say I checked it) there's nothing on the twitter feed since 27th August (https://twitter.com/launchpadstatus)
[10:47] <acheronuk> +1 other unable to upload. something is not well @ LP end
[11:02] <maxyz> Just to add some info: ssh bazaar.launchpad.net gives ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
[11:12] <jonathon> i think it's back
[11:17] <maxyz> Yeap
[11:18] <acheronuk> see a few builds managed to get going, but still getting...
[11:18] <acheronuk> 11:17:04 Host key verification failed.
[11:18] <acheronuk> 11:17:04
[11:18] <acheronuk> 11:17:04 Unable to connect to SSH host ppa.launchpad.net; EOF during negotiation
[11:18] <acheronuk> 11:17:04 E: Error uploading file.
[11:25] <tsimonq2> acheronuk, maxyz, jonathon: did anybody file something here? https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/
[11:28] <jonathon> i didn;t... :(
[11:31] <maxyz> Not from my side.
[12:08] <wgrant> jonathon, acheronuk, maxyz, tsimonq2: One of our datacentres lost power for a few minutes, but all should be OK now.
[12:09] <acheronuk> wgrant: thanks :)
[12:09] <wgrant> I'm just checking that everything's come back okay.
[12:26] <jonathon> Thanks William Grant, that solved my question.
[12:27] <wgrant> Heh
[12:27] <jonathon> :)
[14:26] <tsimonq2> wgrant: thanks :)
[16:14] <bulldog> hi everyone, i have lp branch with sourcecode of my app inside a dir called "snapcraft-qt" how can i point builder to look into the dir to compile the code , it basically look to the root of branch by default
[16:14] <tsimonq2> (using a recipe)
[16:17] <bulldog> using a recipe , how :P
[16:50] <bulldog> hi everyone, i have lp branch with sourcecode of my app inside a dir called "snapcraft-qt" how can i point builder to look into the dir to compile the code , it basically look to the root of branch by default
[16:58] <jonathon> does your application compile with a ./configure; make ?
[17:00] <jonathon> or via a debuild?
[17:27] <jonathon> basically, as far as i can tell, if you want to use recipes what you put into a LP project should be able to be packaged in the normal way. if not, it won't package.
[17:34] <bulldog> jonathon,  make , qmake
[17:35] <jonathon> right, and does it package if you run a `debuild` in the top-level directory?
[17:35] <bulldog> jonathon, i have separate branch to build packages but , am looking for a way to build from src inside a directory in branch
[17:35] <jonathon> oh
[17:35] <jonathon> then no
[17:35] <jonathon> convention is you run the make in the top-level dir
[17:36] <bulldog> yeah in my other branch code i do that
[17:36] <bulldog> it build packages there
[17:37] <bulldog> problem  is , i want build code from my github branch on lp , my branch consists a directory where the code exists so ,i thought there should probably  a way to do that
[17:38] <bulldog> my branch at github look like https://github.com/keshavbhatt/snapcraft-gui , and code i wana compile is inside snapcraft-qt dir
[21:57] <caraka> Is there a blog post somewhere that explains (for idiots) how to use git and git recipes on lp? I have made such a dogs breakfast of my repos trying to switch from bzr recipes. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
[21:57] <caraka> any advice would be gratefully accepted


[11:15] <Odd_Bloke> vans163: If your shell supports <(...), that might work?
[14:13] <vans163> Odd_Bloke: I need to try but it needs user-data AND meta-data,  does it just cat the two?
[14:13] <vans163> if it just needed one I would definetly try piping it in without thinking about it
[14:14] <Odd_Bloke> I would expect: genisoimage ... <(cat user-data) <(cat meta-data)
[14:33] <vans163> Odd_Bloke: let me try that thats a good idea
[18:57] <smoser> vans163, you could just use cloud-localds too
[18:57] <smoser> which cleans up stuff, and provides the meta-data if you dont need it.
[19:04] <vans163> smoser: that is useful, so I can just pip the (cat user-data) into cloud-localds?  http://ubuntu-smoser.blogspot.ca/2013/02/using-ubuntu-cloud-images-without-cloud.html  this tutorial does not show how to account for the user-data supplied by user which can be a bash script
[19:08] <smoser> oh. i dont know if it supports user-data from - or not
[19:08] <smoser> let me see
[19:08] <smoser> seems like it does
[19:09] <vans163> smoser: where are you looking if you dont mind me asking, googling does not seem to reveal any documentation
[19:09] <smoser> $ printf '#!/bin/sh\necho hi mom\n' | cloud-localds -v my.img -
[19:09] <smoser> wrote my.img with filesystem=iso9660 and diskformat=raw
[19:10] <smoser> vans163,  i looked at source code :) and source code I wrote even ;)
[19:10] <smoser> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cloud-utils-dev/cloud-utils/trunk/view/head:/bin/cloud-localds
[19:10] <smoser> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cloud-utils-dev/cloud-utils/trunk/view/head:/bin/cloud-localds#L206
[19:11] <smoser> but as Odd_Bloke suggested above, bash with <() basically makes a temp file and then cleans it up i think.
[19:12] <vans163> smoser: ty is that () really critical?  so in my case it would look like <("#cloud-config\npassword: ...") ?  does () not mean execute whats inside?
[19:15] <smoser> vans163, see 'Process Substitution' in 'man bash'
[19:16] <smoser> $ bash -c 'for i in "$@"; do echo -n $i:; cat "$i"; done' -- <(echo first) <(echo another)
[19:17] <smoser> /dev/fd/63:first
[19:17] <smoser> /dev/fd/62:another
[19:18] <smoser> in your case, if you just need the one thing, then its sufficient to do like i did above with printf, or you could do a "here document"
[19:18] <smoser> $ cloud-localds -v my.img -  <<END> #!/bin/sh
[19:18] <smoser> > hi mom
[19:18] <smoser> > END
[19:19] <smoser> note, the '> ' are the prefix the shell added to m ulti line input.
[19:19] <smoser> sell, shoot. but the '#!/bin/sh' was on a new line too' p
[19:19] <smoser> better: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23476971/
[19:27] <vans163> smoser: ah ty for that explain, i think if it works that way, geniso should do the trick,  I do not see the benefit of cloud-localds for simple usecase like mine
[22:04] <powersj> smoser: why is there both a "set hostname (cc_set_hostname)" and an "update hostname (cc_update_hostname)" modules? They both use the same keys, so does that mean they both always get run when set?
[22:10] <smoser> powersj, remind me again if i dont answer.
[22:10] <smoser> i have to go now htough
[22:11] <powersj> smoser: will do thx