[12:39] <Mez> Seveas: can you poke me when you're not busy
[12:53] <Monika|K> I got to the ubuntu-read-topic channel because of an exploit and now after attempt of fixing shall come here
[12:53] <tonyyarusso> Monika|K: You may join #tonyyarusso to be tested
[12:54] <Monika|K> ok
[12:56] <tonyyarusso> Wow.  That's the first time I've had someone fail the test.
[12:56] <tonyyarusso> I almost feel bad.
[12:57] <tonyyarusso> Monika|K: Looks like you need to keep trying :S
[12:57] <Monika|K> hm, maybe I should restart ChatZilla
[12:58] <LjL> well at the very least you should reconnect to the server
[06:14] <mneptok> !wakeup
[06:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wakeup - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:14] <mneptok> hrmf
[06:15] <Hobbsee> hey mneptok!
[07:25] <Taime1> hello?
[07:25] <Taime1> i was told to come here after i got a dcc error?
[07:25] <Taime1> i have no clue what this is about but i want to rejoin #ubuntu
[07:25] <tonyyarusso> Taime1: Have you followed the instructions from the other channel already?
[07:25] <Taime1> yes
[07:26] <Taime1> i changed freenode to port 8001
[07:27] <Taime1> so why would i get a dcc bug in the first place?
[07:27] <tonyyarusso> Taime1: /join #tonyyarusso for testing (and explanation) then please.
[07:27] <Taime1> okay
[07:34] <tonyyarusso> Taime1: You're all set to get back into #ubuntu now.
[07:47] <mneptok> Gambolputty ...
[07:48] <tonyyarusso> mneptok: what?
[07:50] <mneptok> Johann Gambolputty ...
[07:51] <mneptok> de von Ausfern-schplenden-schlitt-crasscrenbon-fried-digger-dingle-dangle-dongle-dungle-burstein-von-knacker-thrasher-apple-banger-horowitz-ticolensic-grander-knotty-spelltinkle-grandlich-grumblemeyer-spelterwasser-kurstlich-himble-eisenbahnwagen-gutenabend-bitte-einen-nrnburger-bratwrstel-gespurten-mit-zweimache-luber-hundsfut-gumeraber-schnendanker-kalbsfleisch-mittleraucher von Hautkopft of Ulm.
[07:52] <tonyyarusso> ;)
[07:57] <Mez> !kickban mneptok
[07:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kickban mneptok - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:05] <artbird309> I am get a "Your router is affected by a bug. Please follow the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit to fix it, and then join #ubuntu-ops for a test" how do I go about fixing it
[08:11] <artbird309> !dcc
[08:11] <ubotu> There are people around who think it is funny to abuse a bug in certain routers by sending invalid DCC commands. When bitten by this bug ops in #ubuntu remove users so they are no longer targets. To fix it have a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit
[08:15] <artbird309> Mez: can you help me get back in to the #ubuntu channel thanks
[08:15] <Mez> artbird309, one sec
[08:15] <artbird309> Mez: thanks
[08:16] <Mez> artbird309, have you read the topic in the channel you were forwarded to ?
[08:16] <artbird309> mez: yes
[08:17] <Mez> artbird309, join ##mez so I can test you've fixed the issue
[08:17] <Mez> seems fine to me
[08:18] <Mez> unbanned :D
[08:18] <artbird309> Thanks
[08:18] <Mez> rejoin ;)
[09:42] <apokryphos> !test
[09:42] <ubotu> Failed.
[09:43] <Jucato> Failed x2
[09:43] <mneptok> !anything
[09:44] <Mez> !botsnack
[09:44] <Jucato> @lart Jucato
[09:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about anything - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:44] <apokryphos> heh
[09:44] <apokryphos> lagging again
[09:44] <ubotu> Yum!
[09:44] <Jucato> yeah...
[09:44] <Jucato> !me
[09:44] <apokryphos> @lart Jucato
[09:45] <Jucato> noooo
[09:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about me - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:45] <apokryphos> we should have +q as an ubugtu lart ;-)
[09:46] <Mez> Jucato, what ?
[09:46] <Jucato> Mez: oh nothing... nothing at all :)
[09:46] <Mez> I've disabled my auto-lart-jucato script now
[09:46] <Mez> I told you that already
[09:46] <Jucato> I said I just remembered you :)
[09:47] <Mez> people rarely do that nowadays
[10:39] <Mez> Amaranth, i still preferred the name smeg
[10:40] <Amaranth> heh
[10:45] <Mez> if you were to change it back now - would anyone mind ?
[10:50] <mneptok> i would be deeply offended.
[10:51] <Mez> mneptok, why ?
[10:51] <mneptok> because i am sheltered anu sensitive. i take offense easily.
[10:51] <mneptok> *and
[10:51] <Mez> smeg :P
[10:52] <mneptok> Anusensitive. For those uncomfortable times. Only at Walgreen's.
[10:53] <Amaranth> Mez: And I would have to explain how to translate "smeg" to gnome-i18n-list
[10:53] <Mez> Amaranth, why does it need translating
[10:53] <Amaranth> actually, it doesn't
[10:53] <Amaranth> but smeg is such a bad name
[10:53] <Mez> but-  it's Red Dwarf!
[10:53] <Mez> :D
[10:53] <Amaranth> i guarantee the release team wouldn't like it :)
[10:54] <Mez> Amaranth, so? - I do ! :P
[10:54] <mneptok> better than U73r1n3-ch0wd3r
[10:54] <Amaranth> You aren't the one that can pull my software from a GNOME release. :)
[10:54] <mneptok> *shrug*
[10:55] <Mez> Amaranth, aw... no
[10:55] <Mez> darn
[10:55] <Mez> forgot that bit
[12:45] <apokryphos> you know the policy about language in the channel
[12:45] <Mez> apokryphos, who was that at ?
[12:46] <apokryphos> malt
[12:46] <Mez> Hobbsee, he was being a PITA... ban was a good idea
[12:46] <malt> yo, I got banned from ubuntu-offtopic for just joking with this person. It was a girl and i didn't know she got offended easy
[12:46] <malt> she can ignore me
[12:46] <malt> if she didn't like what i said
[12:46] <apokryphos> no, it wasn't her not liking what you said, it's what you said was not appropriate for discussion in ubuntu channels
[12:46] <malt> I just said i found one of her forum posts and it was this link http://m4lt.com/images/why-doesnt-this-work.jpg
[12:46] <apokryphos> and you should spam quite a bit by using <Enter> as punctuation, which can be quite annoying
[12:46] <malt> and she got all mad
[12:47] <mneptok> malt: i warned you *repeatedly* about language.
[12:47] <malt> i stoped to
[12:47] <Mez> "<malt> they say eating cum is good for the liver"
[12:47] <malt> I mean here back when people was joking with me if i recall they told me to use ignore.
[12:47] <malt> yes
[12:47] <Mez> thats stopping ?
[12:47] <malt> and i stoped
[12:47] <malt> when i was warned
[12:47] <malt> that was what i got warned for
[12:47] <malt> lol
[12:47] <apokryphos> no, you've been told before
[12:48] <malt> No.....
[12:48] <apokryphos> and please stop using the <Enter> key as punctuation
[12:48] <malt> you guys are just taking up for this person because it is a girl
[12:48] <malt> I had no clue she got offended that easy
[12:48] <apokryphos> I didn't even know she was a girl until you said it
[12:48] <malt> over that image
[12:48] <apokryphos> and your language wasn't targetted at her, either
[12:48] <malt> what?
[12:48] <malt> I stoped when i was warned :)
[12:49] <malt> so what is the problem?
[12:49] <malt> there is a ignore
[12:49] <apokryphos> your language
[12:49] <malt> like i have been told before
[12:49] <malt> I stoped though?
[12:49] <apokryphos> you have been warned before
[12:49] <malt> why bring that back up
[12:49] <malt> ?
[12:49] <malt> Nope
[12:49] <malt> i never been warned
[12:49] <jenda> Mez?
[12:49] <apokryphos> malt: listen. Stop using the <Enter> key as punctuation.  That's a nonsensical point, considering I didn't know she was female until you mentioned it.
[12:54] <mneptok> 06:08 < mneptok> malt: stop now, before you really anger me, mmkay?
[12:54] <mneptok> there you go
[12:54] <mneptok> i warned you, you argued
[12:54] <malt> as i just said
[12:54] <malt> that was before
[12:54] <malt> show me after
[12:55] <malt> [06:44:16]  ::: kick: (malt) was kicked by (Hobbsee) (Hobbsee) (#ubuntu-offtopic)
[12:55] <Mez> Ubuntu Servers-#ubuntu-offtopic.log:Jan 19 10:14:15 <malt>      dick sucking lips
[12:55] <Hobbsee> but that's still no reason to harrass her
[12:55] <apokryphos> :/
[12:55] <malt> yes he asked what that was for
[12:55] <malt> before all this
[12:55] <malt> I was not aware of they didn't allow language
[12:55] <Hobbsee> that's still no reason to harrass *anyone*
[12:55] <malt> harras?
[12:55] <malt> I was joking with the person
[12:55] <malt> my god
[12:56] <Hobbsee> [22:41]  <Lynoure> malt: I am not interesting in people I do not know targeting me with their jokes, no.
[12:56] <Hobbsee> [22:41]  <malt> Lynoure
[12:56] <Hobbsee> [22:41]  <malt> ok
[12:56] <Hobbsee> [22:42]  * malt discovers Lynoure's picture at uglypeople.com
[12:56] <Hobbsee> [22:42]  <Lynoure> That's enough!
[12:56] <malt> its my nn script
[12:56] <Hobbsee> why'd you not stop?
[12:56] <malt> I stoped
[12:56] <Hobbsee> dodgy script, just insulting people
[12:56] <Hobbsee> cant you control your script?
[12:56] <malt> I didn't know it would do that
[12:56] <apokryphos> your ban will not be lifted at this time, malt
[12:57] <malt> how long is it for?
[12:57] <apokryphos> Irrelevant. You have to take responsibility for any scripts you run.
[12:57] <Hobbsee> malt: *raises an eyebrow* - what's it usually do?
[12:57] <Mez> Ubuntu Servers-#ubuntu-offtopic.log:Jan 19 11:45:05 *   malt discovers Lynoure's picture at uglypeople.com
[12:57] <Hobbsee> you've got the source code to it too, i'll bet.  no reason
[12:57] <Mez> oh we already went trhough taht one
[12:57] <malt> how long is it for?
[12:58] <malt> anyways i was warned and i stoped about the language.
[12:58] <apokryphos> I'm leaning to a week but this one's for Hobbsee
[12:58] <Hobbsee> i'm in agreement with apokryphos. open to mneptok's opinion on it too, as he did a lot of the talking
[12:58] <mneptok> whatever it is, at this point i'll vote "too short"
[12:58] <malt> I got warned 1 time for the language
[12:59] <malt> and this girl crys
[12:59] <mneptok> malt: 2 times
[12:59] <apokryphos> your language is still unexcusable
[12:59] <mneptok> malt: do i need to paste again?
[12:59] <Mez> btw - who has ops in here ?
[01:00] <Hobbsee>  /cs access #ubuntu-ops list
[01:00] <Mez>  /cs access #ubuntu-ops list
[01:00] <Mez> grr
[01:00] <Hobbsee> er, where's chanserv gone?
[01:00] <apokryphos> alive here
[01:01] <malt> and because she has a pussy you guys take up for her more like nerds, and you are like OH MAN ITS A GIRL DUDE.... HEY DUDE TAKE UP FOR HER SHE MIGHT SHOW US HER ON CAM..... I have decided to lift my my ban with a proxy, KTHX. I will wait for my ban now.
[01:01] <Hobbsee> sigh.
[01:01] <jenda> jeezus.
[01:01] <mneptok> uhhh
[01:01] <mneptok> that was an admission of intetion of network abuse
[01:02] <Hobbsee> where's rob when you need him
[01:02] <Hobbsee> ?
[01:02] <Hobbsee> he's goign to try to ban evade
[01:02] <apokryphos> jenda's here ;-)
[01:02] <mneptok> time to bitbucket that nick registration ;)
[01:02] <jenda> hmm
[01:02] <Hobbsee> [23:01]  <malt> rofl
[01:02] <Hobbsee> [23:01]  <malt> hahaha
[01:02] <jenda> You're saying k-line?
[01:02] <Hobbsee> [23:01]  * Hobbsee raises an eyebrow
[01:02] <Hobbsee> [23:01]  <malt> watch me evade
[01:02] <Hobbsee> [23:01]  <Hobbsee> and what hope in hell od you think about getting your ban lifted now?
[01:02] <Hobbsee> [23:01]  <malt> and pm say in chan
[01:02] <Hobbsee> [23:01]  <malt> ;x
[01:02] <Hobbsee> [23:01]  <malt> proxy
[01:02] <Hobbsee> [23:01]  <malt> brb
[01:03] <Mez> * malt :No such nick/channel
[01:03] <Hobbsee> please do.  ban evader
[01:03] <Mez>  [malt]  (n=maltyz@dsl3-p226.intrstar.net): malt
[01:03] <Mez> * [malt]  irc.freenode.net :Fri Jan 19 12:01:57 2007
[01:03] <Mez> * [malt]  (n=maltyz@dsl3-p226.intrstar.net): malt
[01:03] <Mez> * [malt]  irc.freenode.net :Fri Jan 19 08:08:21 2007
[01:03] <Mez> * [malt]  (n=maltyz@dsl3-p226.intrstar.net): malt
[01:03] <Mez> * [malt]  irc.freenode.net :Fri Jan 19 07:14:05 2007
[01:03] <mneptok> maybe the R in BRB is measured in geologic time?
[01:03] <Mez> * malt :End of WHOWAS
[01:04] <Teropz> rofl
[01:04] <Mez> christmas trees anyone ?
[01:04] <Teropz> nerds
[01:04] <Teropz> ;x
[01:04] <Teropz> look in the chans
[01:04] <Teropz> !
[01:04] <Hobbsee> GazzaK: hehe
[01:05] <apokryphos> jenda: perhaps now, yeah ;-)
[01:05] <Hobbsee> at least i would if chanserv was working
[01:05] <Mez> +d is no point
[01:05] <apokryphos> chanserv is working fine
[01:05] <jenda> Working on it.
[01:05] <apokryphos> and your +d was set, though there isn't much point here, yeah
[01:06] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: yes.  he appears to know more about irc modes
[01:06] <Mez> WTF?
[01:06] <Mez> he's running an IRCD on his home PC
[01:06] <Hobbsee> Mez: oh?
[01:07] <GazzaK> I don't dare pop out for a ciggie now, this is so helping my cutting down smoking plan...
[01:07] <Mez> /server dsl3-p226.intrstar.net
[01:07] <apokryphos> when people get bored 8)
[01:07] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: or get things they way they want
[01:07] <Hobbsee> guess this is my first fan :P
[01:08] <Mez> Hobbsee, should I ring and complain to his ISP
[01:08] <jenda> GazzaK: don't smoke.
[01:08] <jenda> :)
[01:08] <Mez> or do you want ot /
[01:08] <Hobbsee> Mez: you do it, please :)
[01:08] <mneptok> well, if we know the ISP we can fake a DMCA claim and get him blackholed with no investigation ;)
[01:08] <Hobbsee> hehe :D
[01:08] <Mez> www.intrstar.net
[01:09] <mneptok> Mez: you dialing?
[01:09] <Hobbsee> mneptok: that'd be fun.  do you have ops in -offtopic, btw?
[01:09] <Mez> mneptok, finding my mic
[01:09] <Mez> VOIP
[01:09] <mneptok> Hobbsee: i do not
[01:09] <apokryphos> Seveas: ping
[01:09] <Mez> sensible enough to have his domain whois protected
[01:09] <mneptok> Mez: i can do it. i'm in the office.
[01:09] <Mez> mneptok, go for it
[01:10] <apokryphos> mneptok: ping Seveas later and he can add you
[01:10] <Mez> 1-877-269-8236
[01:12] <Mez> mneptok, I so hope you're getting through
[01:12] <mneptok> speaking to them now
[01:13] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: my chanserv seems to be lagging, badly.
[01:13] <Mez> mneptok, part of their Terms of use
[01:13] <Mez> Customers are prohibited from transmitting on or through any of InterStar's services, any material that is, in InterStar's sole discretion, unlawful, obscene, threatening, abusive, libelous, or hateful, or encourages conduct that would constitute a criminal offense, give rise to civil liability, or otherwise violate any local, state, national or international law.
[01:13] <Mez> http://www.intrstar.net/splash/conduct.html
[01:13] <apokryphos> Hobbsee: curious. Maybe reconnect?
[01:13] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: could do.
[01:14] <Hobbsee> Mez: excellent
[01:14] <Mez> Hobbsee, :D
[01:14] <apokryphos> though you're on pratchett, as am I
[01:14] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: :)
[01:14] <apokryphos> still, may do the trick
[01:15] <Mez> nbtw I'm getting abuse from him over on his IRCD
[01:15] <Mez> mneptok, on hold ?
[01:15] <Mez>  :P
[01:15] <Hobbsee> Mez: oh?
[01:15] <mneptok> welp, within 24 hours our friend malt will have to start ISP shopping ;)
[01:15] <Mez> Hobbsee, I'm just sitting on his IRC server
[01:15] <Hobbsee> Mez: ahhhhh :)
[01:15] <Mez> mneptok, what they said ?
[01:15] <Hobbsee> mneptok: woot :D
[01:16] <mneptok> Mez: they do NOT like abuse.
[01:16] <mneptok> :)
[01:16] <Mez> mneptok, you shoulda recorded the conversation
[01:17] <mneptok> Mez: it may be in an Asterisk queue, but my shift is over so i don't give a damn.
[01:17] <mneptok> ;)
[01:17] <Mez> lol
[01:18] <Mez> my last line on his IRC server
[01:18] <Mez> "well, enjoy ISP hunting"
[01:19] <Mez> doesnt fit the bill
[01:19] <jasondz> how do i register my nick?
[01:19] <Hobbsee> !register
[01:19] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[01:19] <apokryphos> jasondz: this is an operator's channel
[01:19] <jasondz> I was told to come here
[01:19] <mneptok> ok, back in 30 or so from home
[01:19] <mneptok> peas out
[01:19] <apokryphos> though one question doesn't hurt 8)
[01:19] <jenda> jasondz: the best place for this type of question is #help
[01:19] <jasondz> rofl idiots it is me malt
[01:19] <jasondz> ;x
[01:19] <Hobbsee> bye mneptok
[01:20] <jenda> hehe :)
[01:21] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:21] <GazzaK> this show is good
[01:21] <Mez> jemda: you need kline powers
[01:21] <Mez> jenda, I'll have them then
[01:21] <Hobbsee> why not?
[01:21] <PriceChild> jenda, well if you get awarded them can me and Hobbsee have half?
[01:22] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:22] <jenda> Hobbsee: I have bad experience with dangerous powers :)
[01:22] <Hobbsee> jenda: oh?
[01:22] <Mez> jenda: you're the only staff member online though
[01:22] <jenda> hehe
[01:22] <jenda> Yep...
[01:22] <jenda> how unfortunate...
[01:23] <Mez> haha
[01:23] <Mez> he's pingbombing me :D
[01:23] <Hobbsee> you know, it feels like i'm running as root, op'd in all channels
[01:23] <Hobbsee> Mez: is he winning?   :P
[01:23] <Mez> Hobbsee, no chance
[01:23] <Mez> I nullrouted him
[01:24] <Hobbsee> :D
[01:24] <jenda> Hobbsee: not a good thing to do ;)
[01:24] <GazzaK> Hobbsee, are you going power crazy?
[01:24] <jenda> I pung all the staff... there isn't much more I can do.
[01:24] <Hobbsee> GazzaK: no...never
[01:24] <jenda> This isn't worth paging them, is it?
[01:24] <Hobbsee> jenda: hrm?
[01:24] <Hobbsee> nah
[01:24] <apokryphos> jenda: nah
 Guess what Mez
 what /
 freenode allows language on there network :)
 wow
 that was just your chan bs
 oh, ah well
[01:24] <jenda> good ;)
[01:25] <Hobbsee> jenda: but they do need more staffers
[01:25] <jenda> not that I'd know how to, anyway.
[01:25] <jenda> Hobbsee: it's being worked on ;)
[01:25] <apokryphos> Mez: but not ban-evading
[01:25] <Mez> jenda, I know how to page :P
[01:25] <Mez> apokryphos, nor abuse :D
[01:25] <Hobbsee> jenda: :)
 Can you guess who i will be next?
 in #ubuntu?
 You powerless fuck/
 *.
[01:26] <Mez> jenda: who took over from lilo /
[01:26] <GazzaK> he sounds really nice
[01:26] <jenda> Mez: christel, pretty much
[01:26] <Hobbsee> sigh
[01:27] <apokryphos> Mez: set twice
[01:28] <Mez> apokryphos, /cs lart
[01:28] <apokryphos> 8)
[01:28] <Mez> hmm
[01:28] <apokryphos> !test
[01:29] <ubotu> Failed.
[01:29] <Mez> Starting Nmap 4.10 ( http://www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) at 2007-01-19 12:30 GMT
[01:29] <Mez> Note: Host seems down. If it is really up, but blocking our ping probes, try -P0
[01:29] <Mez> Nmap finished: 1 IP address (0 hosts up) scanned in 2.278 seconds
[01:31] <Mez> I wonder
[01:31] <Mez> no he fixed his darn router issues
[01:34] <Mez> jenda: not reporting you as staff anymore
[01:34] <jenda> Mez: because my shift is over ;)
[01:35] <Mez> you have shifts?
[01:35] <jenda> Mez: whenever we want them :)
[01:35] <Mez> lol
[01:35] <jenda> ie. on duty/off duty = on stats p, off stats p.
[01:35] <jenda> ok
[01:35] <Mez> watch out ... he's on his way back
[01:35] <jenda> his 3 hosts have been k-lined
[01:36] <Mez> jenda, good
[01:36] <Mez> wait
[01:36] <Mez> they cant have been
[01:36] <Mez> he's still online
[01:36] <apokryphos> indeed
[01:36] <Mez> ok
[01:36] <jenda> Where?
[01:36] <Mez> just gone
[01:36] <jenda> good :)
[01:36] <Mez> he'll be back though
[01:36] <Mez> I assure you
[01:36] <jenda> of course.
[01:36] <Mez> 3...
[01:36] <Mez> 2....
[01:36] <jenda> Not sure if I'll get the right deity though.
[01:37] <Mez> 1 ....
[01:37] <Mez> :P
[01:37] <Mez> jenda, just let whoever just klined know that you might need them again soon
[01:37] <jenda> Mez: off to work :/
[01:37] <jenda> him, not me.
[01:38] <Mez> iuui = first time connecter
[01:38] <Hobbsee> looks suss
[01:38] <Hobbsee> why ask that, if you're new?
[01:38] <Mez> indeed
[01:38] <Mez> ahaha
[01:38] <Mez> extremey
[01:39] <apokryphos> you really don't need that many bans :P
[01:39] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:39] <Mez> extremeb
[01:40] <Mez> LOL :d
[01:40] <Mez> it's /cs lart
[01:40] <apokryphos> don't use it :P
[01:41] <Mez> y ?
[01:41] <apokryphos> his new connections still won't stop that
[01:41] <apokryphos> Hobbsee: a lot of bans
[01:41] <apokryphos> like name ban, IP ban, etc
[01:41] <jenda> Mez: it won't help you, and it's hard to undo
[01:41] <Hobbsee> nice.... :
[01:41] <Hobbsee> )
[01:41] <jenda> nick, user, host and realname.
[01:42] <Mez> ;)
[01:42] <Mez> extemer
 Rofl, Don't you just feel so powerless today?  This isn't no e harmony network you little kid.   :P
[02:25] <GazzaK> mneptok, I think it might have been to do with you whipping me
[02:25] <Mez> btw - checkout<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:25] <mneptok> GazzaK: but ... that's just my way of saying hi.
[02:25] <Mez> darn... it needs to be approved
[02:25] <GazzaK> lol, great greeting
[02:26] <mneptok> (or is that, "take me now, dave?")
[02:26] <mneptok> :/
[02:26] <GazzaK> you're hostmask is broken too mneptok
[02:26] <GazzaK> it's normally a uby one isn't it
[02:27] <Hobbsee> mneptok: put down the alcohol, and it'll all make more sense
[02:27] <Hobbsee> GazzaK: a canonical one - and he's at home now
[02:27] <GazzaK> mneptok, drink more alcohol, you'll never remember that way
[02:28] <mneptok> GazzaK: we got a new connection @ the office and have yet to sort reverse
[02:28] <GazzaK> it's next to first gear!
[02:28] <Hobbsee> hey Seeker`
[02:28] <mneptok> so *that's* what that grinding in te routor is!
[02:28] <mneptok> *router
[02:29] <GazzaK> hehe
[02:29] <Mez> lmo - the ban trackers br0ked
[02:30] <Seeker`> hi Hobbsee
[02:34] <Mez> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2007-January/000163.html
[02:35] <Mez> wish we could see his face when his isp Pwnz him
[02:35] <PriceChild> with his $60 a month internet disappearing :P
[02:35] <Mez> and he's a chavvy
[02:35] <Mez> :D
[02:36] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:36] <GazzaK> is that what he was paying?
[02:36] <Mez> if anyone wants to annoy him
[02:37] <Mez> /server dsl3-p226.intrstar.net
[02:37] <jenda> Mez: you misspelt #ubuntu-ops to #ubuntu-op
[02:37] <jenda> Mez: and you didn't mention that we also tried to talk him out of it.
[02:37] <jenda>
[02:37] <Mez> jenda: logs were attached :D
[02:37] <Hobbsee> Mez: now...that could be fun...
[02:37] <Mez> Hobbsee, indeed
[02:37] <Mez> shall we?
[02:38] <Hobbsee> Mez: going to use your own username, or what?
[02:38] <Mez> I did earlier :D
[02:38] <Hobbsee> hehe, and?
[02:39] <Mez> and i got abused :D quite funny
[02:39] <Mez> he asked me to idle there
[02:39] <Mez> Hobbsee, shall we
[02:39] <Hobbsee> Mez: yeah
[02:39] <Mez> see you in #malt
[02:40] <Hobbsee> Mez: hwo does one notice the channel?
[02:40] <Mez> /list
[02:40] <Mez> /notice #malt message
[02:40] <Hobbsee> ahh
[02:40] <Hobbsee> Mez: i'm there
[02:41] <Mez> as is jenda :P
[02:41] <jenda>
[02:41] <Hobbsee> yup :P
[02:41] <Mez> and I am too
[02:41] <Mez> so, what now
[02:41] <Hobbsee> dunno
[02:41] <PriceChild> woo Hobbsee :)
[02:42] <Hobbsee> Mez: as tempting as it is, i dont think you should post the mail to that channel
[02:42] <Mez> ooh :D
[02:42] <jenda> The guy is an Ubuntu user, and he didn't hold his temper when moderated. I don't think he's too much of a criminal.
[02:42] <Hobbsee> Mez: however, pasting it in....
[02:42] <Mez> /notice #malt http://goat.se.cn ?
[02:42] <Hobbsee> could be fun :P
[02:42] <Mez> jenda, he's using windows
[02:43] <Hobbsee> i'm assuming you're not doing it under your own nick though.  or your own ip
[02:43] <jenda> Mez: but his server isn't :)
[02:43] <Mez> jenda: according to nmap profiles it is
[02:43] <jenda> Hobbsee: I'm there as myself.
[02:43] <Hobbsee> jenda: yes, but you're not talking
[02:43] <jenda> Indeed :)
[02:44] <Mez> Hobbsee, as I said-  I can easily null route him
[02:44] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:44] <Mez> lmao @ PriceChild
[02:44] <Mez> ooh
[02:44] <Mez> clonebot anyone ?
[02:44] <Hobbsee> Mez: i've got a supybot...
[02:44] <PriceChild> Mez, ?
[02:45] <Mez> Hobbsee, so have I
[02:45] <Hobbsee> Mez: use a supybot with the parrot plugin - double the funj
[02:45] <Mez> * PriceChild<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #malt
[02:45] <jenda> Mez: please be civil.
[02:45] <PriceChild> Mez, yes?
[02:45] <Hobbsee> :P
[02:45] <Mez> jenda, I always am
[02:45] <Mez> evice type: general purpose|firewall
[02:45] <Mez> Running: Microsoft Windows 2003/.NET|NT/2K/XP, Symantec Solaris 8
[02:45] <Mez> OS details: Microsoft Windows 2003 Server, Microsoft Windows 2003 Server or XP SP2, Microsoft Windows 2003 Server SP1, Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition (German) SP2, Microsoft Windows XP Pro SP2, Microsoft Windows XP SP2, Symantec Enterprise Firewall v7.0.4 (on Solaris 8)
[02:45] <PriceChild> haha
[02:46] <jenda> Mez: please don't be civil. Ruin that box ;)
[02:46] <Mez> jenda: hmmm ...
[02:46] <Mez> see
[02:46] <Hobbsee> ruin the box *after* the ISP acts :P
[02:46] <Mez> this is where I could be extremely evil
[02:46] <Mez> I know how to bring his box down
[02:46] <Hobbsee> how?
[02:46] <PriceChild> tell tell tell!
[02:46] <Mez> Christmas Trees/ SYN-ACK attacks
[02:47] <Hobbsee> assuming that you could do it without it being tied to you...
[02:47] <Mez> Hobbsee, put it this way
[02:47] <GazzaK> heheee
[02:47] <Hobbsee> Mez: if the guy put you up for abuse
[02:47] <Mez> I worked as a security expert for the local government for a while
[02:47] <Mez> Hobbsee, 1) wouldnt have a clue
[02:47] <Hobbsee> *nice*
[02:47] <Mez> 2) my ISP is uber
[02:48] <PriceChild> hehe :)
[02:48] <jenda> Mez: please don't be evil.
[02:48] <Mez> jenda, is the next line
[02:48] <Mez> "be extremely evil"
[02:48] <Mez> ?
[02:48] <jenda> Mez: nope, that was a joke :)
[02:48] <jenda> Running windows on the machine doesn't warrant being evil, or ruining it.
[02:49] <Mez> jenda, If I was going to do somethng
[02:49] <Mez> I woulda by now
[02:49] <GazzaK> boring :-(
[02:49] <jenda> Good :)
[02:49] <jenda> /cs k GazzaK
[02:49] <GazzaK> :'(
[02:49] <jenda> GazzaK: don't worry, I can't anyway.
[02:49] <Mez> he has an insecure oline
[02:49] <Mez> now I just need to find his password
[02:49] <GazzaK> lol
[02:50] <jenda> There might be DCC trouble in #ubuntu
[02:50] <PriceChild> :)
[02:50] <Mez> jenda why
[02:50] <jenda> Mez: tipoff ;) from staff.
[02:50] <Mez> lol
[02:51] <PriceChild> :)
[02:51] <PriceChild> lol#
[02:51] <jenda> Hobbsee: can I call you TackyComa? :)
[02:51] <Hobbsee> jenda: that's not me
[02:52] <PriceChild> Hobbsee, pfft
[02:52] <jenda> Hobbsee: ah, so you must be ms. Bleh
[02:52] <PriceChild> don't ruin the effect for me :)
[02:52] <Mez> Hobbsee, I opped ya
[02:52] <Hobbsee> as in, someoen else op'd me
[02:52] <Hobbsee> jenda: yup
[02:52] <jenda> Mez: umm... do you use your Real Name on his server by purpose? ;)
[02:53] <mneptok> 3Y3 WI11 R3537 Y0U 411!
[02:53] <mneptok> ;)
[02:53] <Mez> jenda, indeed :D
[02:53] <Hobbsee> @unleet 3Y3 WI11 R3537 Y0U 411!
[02:53] <Hobbsee> @list filter
[02:53] <Hobbsee> @filter list
[02:53] <mneptok> (i will reset you all)
[02:53] <Hobbsee> crappy Ubugtu
[02:53] <Seeker`> what does that do?
[02:54] <Hobbsee> ahh
[02:54] <jenda> wow, Mr. peer in there is from saint helena ;)
[02:54] <mneptok> as in, "connection reset by ...") ;)
[02:54] <mneptok> jenda's gettin' it :)
[02:54] <mneptok> jenda: the unmasked host is ssh.sh :)
[02:54] <mneptok> hope malt likes it :)
[02:54] <Hobbsee> lol
[02:54] <Mez> mneptok, lol
[02:55] <Mez> mneptok, see how my real name has changed ?
[02:55] <jenda> Mez: on freenode it's Mez now... there it's still real :)
[02:56] <Mez> jenda nope
[02:56] <jenda> Mez: that was on purpose?
[02:56] <Hobbsee> likely
[02:56] <jenda> (the call failed)
[02:56] <Mez> * [TackyComa]  (mez@m4lt-DBCE2F95.sourceguru.net): Cheese
[02:56] <jenda> Correct.
[02:57] <jenda> It's just xchat not seeing :)
[02:58] <Mez> ;)
[02:58] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:58] <Mez> dcop amarok player lyrics
[02:58] <Hobbsee> what trash are you pasting in there?
[02:58] <Hobbsee> ah ha!
[02:58] <Mez> /exec -o dcop amarok player lyrics
[02:59] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[02:59] <Mez> ;)
[02:59] <Hobbsee> Mez: supybot + parrot, add it to both of htem :P
[02:59] <Mez> Hobbsee, add a supybot then
[03:00] <Mez> who's fred /
[03:00] <Hobbsee> dunno
[03:00] <GazzaK> tis I
[03:00] <Mez> mneptok,  ?
[03:00] <GazzaK> is that annoying?
[03:00] <Mez> I liked the revolving door
[03:00] <Hobbsee> nope :P
[03:00] <GazzaK> I thought the BBC News was interesting
[03:00] <jenda> Mez: wtf are you doing? :)
[03:00] <Mez> not me!
[03:01] <mneptok> Mez: peer
[03:01] <GazzaK> pi to a million :p
[03:01] <mneptok> let's see what my shell can do
[03:02] <Mez> oh, what was that script that l33t;d everything
[03:03] <jenda> hehe...
[03:03] <mneptok> Mez: no
[03:03] <jenda> so, what are we trying to do there?
[03:03] <GazzaK> jenda, no idea, I'm bored and hungry
[03:04] <Hobbsee> mneptok: :)
[03:04] <GazzaK> Mez, is there something happening there :p
[03:05] <Mez> simple annoying ness
[03:05] <Mez> /exec -o cat /usr/bin/*
[03:06] <jenda> bbl
[03:06] <Mez> SendQ - 2Mb! :P
[03:06] <Mez> lag: 2.6 secs
[03:06] <Hobbsee> Mez: :D
[03:07] <GazzaK> my my
[03:07] <GazzaK> what fun
[03:07] <GazzaK> I got bored
[03:07] <jenda> oh well..
[03:08] <Mez> I think i overdid it..
[03:09] <Mez> I crashed xchat
[03:09] <Hobbsee> haha
[03:09] <mneptok> FYI, that /quit msg is not to be spoken of again
[03:09] <mneptok> ;)
[03:09] <Mez> what /quit message ?
[03:10] <mneptok> there's something ... not so CoC about it
[03:10] <Mez> mneptok, ????
[03:10] <Mez> what quit message ?
[03:10] <mneptok> you missed it, i guess :)
[03:10] <Mez> indeed
[03:10] <mneptok> Crashyman
[03:11] <Amaranth> i've been here 4 hours and apparently i missed it too
[03:11] <Hobbsee> mneptok: what was it?  i have joins/parts turned off on there
[03:11] <mneptok>  /quit I AM THE ANAL REDEEMER!
[03:11] <Amaranth> i would have a full log to look through but the $HOME on my server has been deleted...
[03:11] <Hobbsee> ahh
[03:11] <Mez> Amaranth, lol
[03:12] <Amaranth> on a related note, i'm looking for someone with mod_python to host my blog :)
[03:12] <mneptok> semmed apropos, given the circumstances.
[03:12] <Mez> you read the email then ?
[03:12] <Mez> Amaranth, i prob can :D
[03:12] <Mez> if mod_python is apt-gettable
[03:12] <Amaranth> it is
[03:12] <Mez> I'll happily host it
[03:12] <Amaranth> libapache2-mod-python2.5
[03:12] <Amaranth> or 2.4, whatever
[03:12] <Amaranth> Mez: is it something i can point a domain to?
[03:13] <Mez> yup :D if you want
[03:13] <Mez> or i can control DNS
[03:13] <Amaranth> whatever is easier for me ;)
[03:13] <Mez> runnign dapper so 2.4
[03:13] <Mez> Amaranth, which is easier for you (with my server controlling DNS you get full control)
[03:13] <Mez> (email, whatever you want!)
[03:13] <Mez> Setting up libapache2-mod-python2.4 (3.1.4-0ubuntu1) ...
[03:15] <Hobbsee> time for sleep, anyway
[03:15] <Hobbsee> bye all
[03:23] <gnomefreak> that was fast
[03:43] <LjL> Seveas, is it you doing this or has it gone berserk?
[03:43] <GazzaK> ban it :p
[03:44] <LjL> hm, last time it wasn't nice ;)
[03:49] <LjL> ubotwo part
[03:50] <GazzaK> at least that one is obiedient
[03:50] <gnomefreak> LjL: muting ubotu doesnt really do anything. the join/parts will still be there
[03:50] <LjL> gnomefreak: yeah but since i've joined ubotwo, if ubotu isn't muted they'll both answer queries
[03:50] <LjL> (yes, ubotu is working, when it's not disconnected)
[03:50] <gnomefreak> ah
[03:51] <GazzaK> is it a poorly bot?
[03:51] <LjL> poorly?
[03:52] <GazzaK> not well
[03:52] <LjL> apparently
[03:52] <LjL> or at least it's not quite made up its mind whether to stay or leave
[03:53] <GazzaK> my bot does
[03:53] <GazzaK> see
[03:54] <Seeker`> some bots work perfectly
[03:54] <Seeker`> others do really weird stuff that you cant explain
[03:54] <GazzaK> yay
[03:55] <Seeker`> or banning him whenever mootbot gets ops :P
[03:55] <GazzaK> could call it moodbot then, and make it moan
[03:55] <Seeker`> heh
[03:57] <Seeker`> i really need to do more work on the bot
[03:57] <Seeker`> but my RSI is playing up :S
[03:57] <GazzaK> stop doing *that* then
[03:58] <Seeker`> what? typing?
[03:59] <GazzaK> erm
[04:00] <LjL> what annoys me is that "ubuntu has left" triggers a highlight on me... on every channel >:
[04:00] <LjL> guess i'll disable that for now
[04:12] <gnomefreak> this show is way too "after school special" :(
[04:20] <Amaranth> please kill ubotu
[04:22] <gnomefreak> seveas isnt here to kill him :(
[04:24] <LjL> and i don't have +o here. but, just ban it from any channel where it's a nuisance, and i'll let ubotwo join if you like
[04:25] <gnomefreak> Seveas: can you kill ubotu please.
[04:25] <LjL> i don't think this will fix itself before seveas is back at any rate
[04:25] <gnomefreak> i typoed his nick is why it didnt show him :(
[04:25] <LjL> hm i highlighted him already before
[04:25] <gnomefreak> ah
[04:29] <PriceChild> LjL, can we have ubotwo in #ubuntuforums please/
[04:30] <LjL> ubotwo join #ubuntuforums
[04:30] <PriceChild> LjL, I'll remove/ban ubotu from -xgl too if we could have him there also?
[04:31] <LjL> sure, just keep in mind it might not be *incredibly* easy to get it back once it's been banned, unless seveas is here
[04:31] <PriceChild> hehe :)
[04:31] <PriceChild> will leave him alone in -xgl then...
[04:31] <LjL> perhaps you might want to +q it rather than ban, to be on the safe side
[04:31] <LjL> that's what i've done in #ubuntu
[04:31] <LjL> although that of course won't remove the joins and parts
[04:32] <LjL> (which is not too bad in #ubuntu, since there's so much traffic that they really go mostly unnoticed)
[04:32] <PriceChild> LjL, I've removed ban and +q ubotu and now you say that...! :)
[04:33] <LjL> PriceChild, i can only type a finite number of characters per second :P
[04:33] <PriceChild> then code something to type faster dammit LjL ! :)
[04:35] <Seeker`> LjL: and if you could type an infinite number of characters per second, you'd probably get kicked for spamming :P
[04:36] <LjL> that i *could* doesn't mean i *would* ;)
[04:38] <nixternal> im about to kick ubotu's arse!
[04:39] <Mez> /cs lart ubotu
[04:39] <Mez> :-"
[04:39] <nixternal> haha
[04:41] <Mez> lol
[04:41] <GazzaK> do it Mez
[04:42] <Mez> I dont have ops in here
[04:44] <Mez> !bottreat
[04:44] <Mez> !botsnack
[04:44] <PriceChild> !botsnack
[04:44] <PriceChild> lol :)
[04:44] <gnomefreak> bot isnt gonna respond
[04:44] <LjL> it's always very lagged when it first joins
[04:44] <LjL> however, it does work - when it's connected
[04:45] <LjL> well at least it did ten minutes ago
[04:45] <Mez> !test
[04:46] <LjL> not enough time to sync i guess
[04:46] <Mez> lol
[04:47] <LjL> is it that annoying? well i suppose it is if you've got join/part highlighting on...
[04:50] <PriceChild> LjL, which everyone should do ;)
[04:50] <LjL> PriceChild: why in the world... i'm already almost out of colors for highlights
[04:51] <LjL> at least, of non-eye-offensive colors
[04:51] <PriceChild> oh whoops missed the "highlighting" part of the sentence
[04:51] <LjL> oh well yeah surely i do have joins and parts themselves showed
[04:52] <Lynoure> LjL: add morse sound beeps instead?
[04:52] <LjL> .- -. -. --- -.-- .. -. --.
[04:52] <LjL> although
[04:52] <GazzaK> shall I be cheeky and leave work 30 min early?
[04:52] <LjL> i have two PMR446 radios, i've been thinking of using them for IRC
[04:53] <LjL> but they don't have VOX or any sort of remote-control for the PPT button
[04:53] <LjL> GazzaK: ping yourself, if you're responsive, go home, if not, you can stay
[04:53] <PriceChild> GazzaK, only if it means a short trip to PC world
[04:53] <GazzaK> ummm, PC world.......
[04:54] <GazzaK> I could get banned from there, again :-)
[04:57] <Seeker`> how did you get banned from there?
[04:57] <Mez> If it involves nudity and cheesecake I dont want to know
[04:59] <GazzaK> I cost them a number of sales
[04:59] <GazzaK> and got chucked out
[04:59] <LjL> hm i was thinking, having ubotu just muted means when you do "tell x about y" both bots reply
[04:59] <LjL> not sure how many people are using that syntax though, i seem to see mostly | being used
[05:01] <Mez> 6.1 GIGS of snes roms
[05:06] <GazzaK> but the snes is rubbish :p
[05:09] <TheSheep> GazzaK: whaaat?
[05:10] <GazzaK> :p
[05:10] <GazzaK> hehe
[05:11] <GazzaK> I love it, you insult someones love of a old console and they get all defensive :-)
[05:13] <Mez> lol
[05:13] <Mez> not defensive, offensive
[05:19] <tonyyarusso> wth is up with ubotu???
[05:20] <LjL> tonyyarusso: we know as much as you do after seeing the scrollbacks
[05:20] <LjL> anyway i've got ubotwo joined
[05:20] <tonyyarusso> LjL: joy
[05:20] <GazzaK> does anyone have any friends in BT?
[05:24] <PriceChild> GazzaK, BT?
[05:24] <apokryphos> !test
[05:24] <GazzaK> BT Broadband
[05:24] <PriceChild> I am at home
[05:24] <PriceChild> GazzaK, over to #ubuntuforums...
[05:25] <LjL> who's got restart capabilities on the bot anyway?
[05:25] <ubotu> Failed.
[05:25] <LjL> i believed some did now
[05:25] <PriceChild> isn't it nalioth?
[05:25] <apokryphos> I think he might have given them to nalioth, but we definitely need more than one more person with them
[05:25] <tonyyarusso> He's one, yes.  NOt sure if there's more.
[05:26] <apokryphos> guess not
[05:26] <tonyyarusso> I wonder if the bot will tell us?
[05:26] <tonyyarusso> Familiar with supybot?
[05:26] <LjL> tonyyarusso: i don't think there's a command
[05:26] <apokryphos> it's not a supybot thing, anyhow. It's a plugin Seveas made
[05:26] <apokryphos> or something he hacked into supybot, at least.
[05:27] <apokryphos> geh, keeps join-parting
[05:28] <PriceChild> where is the bot atm?
[05:28] <LjL> #kubuntu #kubuntu-offtopic #ubuntu #ubuntu+1 #ubuntu-bots #ubuntu-classroom #ubuntu-offtopic #ubuntu-ops #ubuntu-xgl #ubuntuforums
[05:28] <LjL> and joining more
[05:29] <LjL> apokryphos, i don't think it's a server problem, looks more like a supybot bug
[05:29] <apokryphos> might be a bit of both
[05:29] <apokryphos> laggy server causing bug in the bot
[05:29] <LjL> that could be
[05:30] <apokryphos> !test
[05:30] <LjL> apokryphos: shall i join #ubuntu-uk? you're an op there, aren't you?
[05:30] <LjL> i mean, join the bot there
[05:30] <apokryphos> yeah, thanks
[05:31] <PriceChild> No I meant physical location
[05:31] <LjL> apokryphos: either ban or quiet ubotu. i've quieted it in #ubuntu, for safety, but i suppose a ban wouldn't be that bad given the situation
[05:31] <LjL> PriceChild: hm i don't really know
[05:31] <apokryphos> might end up the same like last time though
[05:31] <PriceChild> :)
[05:31] <LjL> apokryphos: it might, but ubotu doesn't quite look like it's going to spontaneously work again now
[05:32] <LjL> it's been doing this for hours
[05:32] <LjL> so i guess until seveas is back it'll keep on doing this
[05:32] <apokryphos> it has been quite long
[05:32] <apokryphos> might as well ban for now
[05:33] <LjL> PriceChild: ok, take away the mute then
[05:33] <LjL> hold it apokryphos
[05:34] <LjL> ubotwo is just in #ubuntu and #kubuntu
[05:34] <LjL> i'll have it join the rest though
[05:34] <apokryphos> thanks
[05:34] <PriceChild> LjL, he's in #ubuntuforums too ;)
[05:34] <LjL> and in #ubuntu-uk for that matter... but i was thinking about the channels he'd ban it from
[05:34] <LjL> i've joined #ubuntu-offtopic now, what else?
[05:35] <PriceChild> #ubuntu-xgl please
[05:35] <apokryphos> LjL: k-offtopic
[05:36] <LjL> and i'm making that #ubuntu+1 as well
[05:37] <apokryphos> #xubuntu as well
[05:37] <LjL> i don't have +o there, any op active?
[05:37] <apokryphos> I do; I set the +b
[05:39] <LjL> and -classroom
[05:39] <apokryphos> !test
[05:39] <ubotu> Failed.
[05:39] <apokryphos> hah
[05:40] <LjL> don't tell me...
[05:40] <PriceChild> hehe
[05:40] <apokryphos> I think they're related
[05:40] <apokryphos> since it happened exactly like this last time
[05:40] <LjL> that's been 8 minutes now
[05:40] <LjL> hmm yeah
[05:40] <LjL> it might be the load due to joining all those channels
[05:40] <apokryphos> must be something to do with joining/being in so many channels
[05:40] <apokryphos> and now we could use the @reload or the @join  ;-)
[05:41] <apokryphos> !test
[05:41] <ubotu> Failed.
[05:41] <LjL> we could if we could but i'm afraid we can't ;)
[05:41] <apokryphos> indeed
[05:41] <LjL> still, now ubotwo should nearly have all the features ubotu has, so no big deal hopefully
[05:41] <apokryphos> nice
[05:42] <Seeker`> LjL: Is ubotwo just a copy of ubotu on a different server?
[05:42] <apokryphos> not a copy, but a supybot with the same factoid database
[05:42] <apokryphos> and other similar things
[05:42] <LjL> well
[05:43] <minimec> hi folks.
[05:43] <LjL> it does share some of the code, but not all of it
[05:43] <apokryphos> the worst thing about him is the capitalised first-letter ;-)
[05:43] <minimec> It seems that I am banned on #ubuntu. Well I don't know why. For more than a day now. Can ou help me?
[05:43] <LjL> apokryphos: if you say so
[05:44] <apokryphos> I'm just kidding
[05:44] <apokryphos> minimec: ok, one sec
[05:48] <minimec> apokryphos: any news?
[05:48] <apokryphos> one moment please
[05:49] <minimec> oh. no problem.
[05:50] <LjL> minimec: the client (or lack of one) that you're using has been abused often. are you unable to connect using a normal IRC client?
[05:50] <minimec> LjL: irssi???
[05:51] <tonyyarusso> LjL: What?
[05:51] <LjL> minimec: hm, that's quite a normal client... the problem is that you seem to be connected through some sort of Java gateway
[05:51] <minimec> LjL: Wow. I think the client is quiet good...
[05:51] <apokryphos> it is a good client, it's not irssi we mean
[05:52] <minimec> LjL: Oh I see ;) I dome kind hided myself using the entry 'Java User'. I will change that ...
[05:52] <tonyyarusso> aah
[05:52] <LjL> minimec: yes, please change it
[05:52] <apokryphos> ok, thanks
[05:52] <minimec> thx a lot... cu
[05:52] <apokryphos> you should then be able to join #ubuntu
[05:55] <LjL> well i knew because i was there when it was added
[05:55] <LjL> still, this is a bit suspicious. why would an 'innocent' user set a name like that?
[05:56] <apokryphos> dunno, but we can wait and see I guess
[05:56] <minimec> LjL: Well in fact. That was ist ;)
[05:56] <minimec> THX again
[05:57] <LjL> you're welcome, sorry for the inconvenience
[05:57] <minimec> LjL: You may have reasons to do such kind of 'filtering'...
[06:06] <apokryphos> anything that can make logs into a pretty html page, or will I probably have to do it myself? ;-)
[06:07] <LjL> !logs
[06:07] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[06:07] <LjL> i suppose if you manage to know what software that uses...
[06:08] <apokryphos> ah yes, irclog2html.pl
[06:08] <LjL> Generated by irclog2html.pl 2.1 by Jeff Waugh - find it at freshmeat.net!
[06:08] <LjL> yeah
[06:24] <Amaranth> Mez: Turns out I didn't need mod_python after all. Using django with mod_python requires an apache restart every time you change the code :/
[08:59] <somerville32> Umm...
[08:59] <somerville32> Whats with this "Abuse from your customer" thing?
[09:00] <apokryphos> really really annoying guy who repeatedly avoided bans
[09:02] <somerville32> And thats the ISP's problem... why?
[09:02] <LjL> what is the matter?
[09:03] <Hawkwind> LjL: Mailing list
[09:03] <somerville32> I mean, I can hardly even make out what the issue is from that e-mail
[09:03] <somerville32> and the log is just full of cruft
[09:04] <apokryphos> most ISPs don't like their clients to use proxies to fling out abuse
[09:04] <apokryphos> somerville32: convert it to html so you can get pretty colours
[09:04] <LjL> well, most ISPs don't give a damn really... but in theory i suppose
[09:04] <apokryphos> this one cared quite a bit, actually
[09:05] <apokryphos> it wasn't an average ban evader
[09:05] <apokryphos> he rejoined about 10+ times in a few minutes
[09:05] <Hawkwind> They cared.....the question is, did they really do anything to him
[09:05] <somerville32> Did Mez ask any one if he/she could contact their ISP on behalf of the Ubuntu IRC Operator Team?
[09:06] <LjL> malt? is that the user?
[09:06] <apokryphos> quite a few people asked for it to be done
[09:06] <apokryphos> somerville32: is there a problem?
[09:06] <Hawkwind> Yes, the one that the email was sent to the ML today
[09:06] <apokryphos> LjL: yes
[09:07] <LjL> malt malt... reminds me of something, but not sure what
[09:07] <somerville32> apokryphos, Yes, there is a huge problem.
[09:07] <apokryphos> do enlighten us
[09:07] <LjL> hm, i'd banned them for DCC vulnerability
[09:07] <mc44> somerville32: "as a representative of the Ubuntu IRC Operator Team" is not "on behalf of"
[09:07] <somerville32> mc44: I don't think we need to argue semantics.
[09:08] <somerville32> Either way, Mez and Kurt were representing Ubuntu when they contacted the ISP
[09:08] <LjL> well, as a representative of the Ubuntu IRC Operator Team, i don't think one even needs a grant from the other ones to talk as one
[09:08] <apokryphos> right
[09:08] <somerville32> None of us our representatives of the IRC Operator Team
[09:09] <apokryphos> yes, we all are
[09:09] <LjL> we certainly are, i ban people daily and refer them to the CoC and stuff, as one
[09:09] <somerville32> Ok
[09:09] <Hawkwind> There were things said in the logs by ops that shouldn't have been said.  Things that stooped us to his level, which wasn't such a good thing to do
[09:09] <apokryphos> anyhow, somerville32 if you have a specific problem I think you should spell it out here since you're being quite equivocal
[09:09] <LjL> is that log even available?
[09:09] <apokryphos> Hawkwind: like what?
[09:09] <somerville32> I don't have time to argue the issue here
[09:09] <apokryphos> LjL: yes
[09:10] <Hawkwind> LjL: Yes, read the email.  It links to it LOL
[09:10] <LjL> ah yes
[09:10] <somerville32> However, I will be following up on this
[09:10] <LjL> yes sure i missed it
[09:10] <apokryphos> somerville32: then I'm not sure there's any point in raising it.
[09:10] <Hawkwind> Probably really doesn't matter about what was said by other ops.  It's a done deal and noone is going to be enlightened, change their view, minds or anything else IMO
[09:11] <LjL> what's the timezone of the log?
[09:11] <apokryphos> Hawkwind: please let me know, though, what you found that showed we were stooping to his level?
[09:11] <apokryphos> GMT
[09:11] <LjL> ah then waaaay to early for me to possibly have been here :P
[09:11] <Hawkwind> well, if we know the ISP we can fake a DMCA claim and get him blackholed with no investigation ;)
[09:12] <apokryphos> I thought that was a joke, actually
[09:12] <Hawkwind> We should NEVER say we're going to fake things to get users in trouble.  That's blatently wrong to do
[09:12] <Hawkwind> Doesn't matter.  It shouldn't be said as someone is going to take it seriously
[09:12] <LjL> Hawkwind: "fake"? he surely bypassed measures (such as a ban) meant to prevent him from abusing copyrighted contents (what we say)
[09:12] <LjL> :)
[09:12] <somerville32> I'm so upset right now I'm going to walk away
[09:12] <apokryphos> Hawkwind: well, it obviously does if it's actually a joke.
[09:12] <Hawkwind> apokryphos: Not true
[09:13] <Hawkwind> Neither you nor I know if that's true or a joke.  Depending on the person who read that log, they could take it seriously.  Make excuses if you will, but it's bullshit IMO
[09:13] <gnomefreak> can you link me to log please i lost emails this am
[09:13] <Hawkwind> http://francis.giannaros.org/temp/ops.logs
[09:13] <gnomefreak> ty
[09:14] <tsmithe> Seveas, you here?
[09:14] <LjL> probably not
[09:15] <Hawkwind> I think it's probably best I walk away too.  I have a lot views and things I've seen over the past 3 - 4 months here that are totally unbelievable in so many ways.  This is one of them
[09:15] <tsmithe> LjL, nah - don't think s
[09:15] <tsmithe> *so
[09:15] <apokryphos> Hawkwind: you're annoyed about that one comment?
[09:15] <Hawkwind> apokryphos: Not just that one no.  Many things
[09:15] <Hawkwind> Many things - not regarding that log
[09:15] <apokryphos> once again, unless you're going to share them I'm not sure I really see the point of mentioning them
[09:16] <apokryphos> I'm ready to hear, and I'm sure others are
[09:16] <Hawkwind> Nah, not the time.  It'll start a big big war, and unfortunately, though I've not even spoken a word to somerville32, I think he seems to be on the same track I am
[09:16] <LjL> i sure love fights, if you're just kind enough to wait until the microwave finishes with the popcorn
[09:18] <apokryphos> I really find it hard, a lot of the time, to really see the point of meta-remarks
[09:18] <Hawkwind> apokryphos: We went through this once, do we really need to go through it all again ?
[09:18] <Hawkwind> The last time it really pissed off people, made one op step down, caused a huge meeting, and so on
[09:19] <Hawkwind> You want it said...it's the same crap....just a different day
[09:19] <somerville32> amen
[09:20] <apokryphos> I'm sorry but I disagree. The last time the issue was with the private channel/possible secrecy, and perhaps a particular user banning
[09:20] <Hawkwind> Of course you disagree...you're one of the guilty ones
[09:20] <apokryphos> this is palpably not the same thing
[09:20] <apokryphos> Hawkwind: please, tell me my crime
[09:20] <Hawkwind> If you can't read those logs and figure it out, then I'm sorry, that's not MY problem
[09:21] <Hawkwind> As an op, you treated that guy like total shit, point blank
[09:21] <apokryphos> they're my own logs, in fact, and I was in the conversation (as I'm sure you know)
[09:21] <apokryphos> unless you're going to back up a single thread of what you're saying with evidence, well...
[09:21] <Hawkwind> It seems we ban users for the smallest and most illogical stuff in the world.  Reason #1 I don't hang out in #Ubuntu, but see so many mentions of the bans here
[09:22] <apokryphos> you think the user's ban was useless? Are you kidding?
[09:22] <apokryphos> did you see what the guy said, and what he did?
[09:22] <Hawkwind> apokryphos: That's the problem....you have your head so far up in the clouds and think you do no damn wrong.  Shitty attitude for an op to have
[09:22] <Hawkwind> No, I didn't mention the users ban now did I ?
[09:22] <tsmithe> i don't want to get into this; but usually bans are there for a reason..
[09:22] <Hawkwind> Until you show me where I did, please don't say that
[09:22] <apokryphos> Hawkwind: you have access to the bantracker, go right ahead
[09:22] <tsmithe> or for fun against someone the op knows (well)
[09:23] <Hawkwind> apokryphos: I have nothing to do with the bantracker.
[09:23] <apokryphos> Hawkwind: you haven't backed up a single thing you've said. All I get from you is awful statements about myself, and yet no substantiation.
[09:23] <apokryphos> Hawkwind: it's open to everyone, so feel free to login.
[09:23] <Hawkwind> apokryphos: Ok whatever.  This is why I didn't want to say anything.  Because you're Mr.   I don't want to be an op of such a community.  The users get banned for 24 for pasting more than 5 lines of text one time.  That's sad, very sad
[09:24] <apokryphos> I'm willing to hear any suggestions from you, or alternative methods for handling a particular case. But all I get from you is insults, so, well...
[09:25] <Hawkwind> apokryphos: Again, if you can't see where you treated him like crap, then IMO, you shouldn't be an op
[09:25] <tsmithe> gnomefreak, we think he's away
[09:25] <gnomefreak> tsmithe: ty
[09:26] <apokryphos> Hawkwind: I've got a log, why not take the time to point it out to me?
[09:26] <tsmithe> np
[09:26] <Hawkwind> He was given a total of 5 minutes to speak.  Because you didn't like what he had to say, you banned him
[09:27] <Hawkwind> This channel is for users to state/plead their case, yet again, he wasn't given a fair shot
[09:27] <Hawkwind> All you could tell him was to stop hitting enter
[09:28] <apokryphos> he wasn't even remotely banned for that. I +q him to get his attention, and promptly -q after I said what I had to say. Obviously I did that because I didn't think he was listening.
[09:29] <apokryphos> why, you might ask? Because it's quite evident he was ignoring what I was requesting.  HEY DUDE TAKE UP FOR HER SHE MIGHT SHOW US HER ON CAM..... I have decided to lift my my ban with a proxy, KTHX. I will wait for my ban now.
[09:30] <apokryphos> is what he was ACTUALLY banned for
[09:31] <apokryphos> if you're trying to say that's not grounds for removing someone and banning them from the channel, then I genuinely think you're playing with me
[09:31] <Hawkwind> Sorry, he was also kicked by Hobbsee for admitting he knew he was speaking to a lady
[09:31] <TomSwift> test
[09:31] <Hawkwind> No, I agree, that was grounds for removal from a channel.  From the -ops channel, I tend to disagree as he was simply pleading his case
[09:31] <PriceChild> TomSwift, it works....
[09:32] <TomSwift> hello
[09:32] <Hawkwind> Anyways, it's a pointless arguement.  We've been through this a couple of months and nothing has changed
[09:32] <apokryphos> Hawkwind: that last post was "pleading his case". Oh come on :)
[09:32] <LjL> wait... is that the same person who bothered Hobbsee some days ago?
[09:32] <Hawkwind> Users get banned for the simplest little things, for atlest 24 hours for something like pasting 5 lines to the channel one time
[09:32] <apokryphos> LjL: dunno, don't think so.
[09:32] <PriceChild> TomSwift, > pm please
[09:32] <apokryphos> Hawkwind: great, instead of answering the point at hand you raise a completely different issue.
[09:33] <Hawkwind> apokryphos: I told you there are problems well beyond that log in the first place
[09:33] <Hawkwind> I see it, other ops see it, users see it
[09:33] <apokryphos> if you think the post above isn't grounds for being banned in -ops then I'll plead guilty to all your charges
[09:33] <Hawkwind> It's not just me or two people.  It's quite a few
[09:33] <apokryphos> needless to say though, I disagree quite strongly with that judgement
[09:33] <TomSwift> don't like pm sorry..
[09:34] <Hawkwind> It's not grounds for removal. Let him state what he needs to say and get it off his chest.  Listen to the user, just once.  That's what this channel was created for according to our meeting.  Was a place the users could get things off their chest to the ops without disrupting a public channel
[09:34] <LjL> Hawkwind: i see it too, at times. but also, honestly, i think giving blatant abusers their good half-an-hour of "appealing" in here is something that, i guess, was granted during last meeting to "make everyone happy" (or that was the intention at least), but is really quite ridiculous IMHO
[09:34] <PriceChild> TomSwift, well this channel is pretty busy atm... but carry on if you prefer to ask in here
[09:35] <LjL> i also believe some really abusive users sometimes are *not* treated harshly enough. even though there *are* at other times less abusive users who are treated harshly
[09:35] <Hawkwind> Yeah, it's that quite ridiculous attitude that we all have that isn't fair to the users
[09:35] <TomSwift> thanks, i am kinda looking for busy channels
[09:35] <Hawkwind> If they can't appeal/talk about whatever the problem is, nothing gets solved, ever
[09:35] <apokryphos> Hawkwind: you're wrong. This is not a channel where we're going to tolerate abuse. Pleading a case is one thing, being abusive and profane is the near opposite.
[09:35] <PriceChild> TomSwift, why? Is there anything we can help you with?
[09:35] <Hawkwind> apokryphos: He wasn't speaking that to any one person in general though.  That's the problem
[09:35] <apokryphos> Hawkwind: I think your conception of appeal is a little curious if you think that last statement is any form of appeal.
[09:35] <TomSwift> need to register nickname
[09:36] <Hawkwind> Again, you're never wrong, so that's why everyone else is
[09:36] <PriceChild> TomSwift, please read my pm and I will explain how... this is NOT for help requests, this is an operator channel
[09:36] <apokryphos> I'm wrong a lot of the time, but I'm not going to agree I'm wrong unless I can see any reason for it. I don't think that's unreasonable.
[09:36] <Hawkwind> apokryphos: It was a general statement. Not like he aimed it at Hobbsee(pointing out a female who happened to be here) or stated who he was talking to.  It was his feelings about how he thinks we as ops treat users differently if they are male or female
[09:37] <apokryphos> Hawkwind: that's a very nice way to flower up the language. Unfortunately those are not even remotely his words :)
[09:37] <Hawkwind> Then whose words are they ?
[09:37] <apokryphos> the last comment there is very offensive
[09:38] <apokryphos> and abusive, and profane.
[09:38] <apokryphos> and telling us that he'll ban-evade
[09:38] <LjL> yes, that alone is ground for a permban imho
[09:38] <Hawkwind> Not unless you catch him doing it
[09:38] <Hawkwind> He could say that, and never do it. Just be saying it in the heat of the moment
[09:38] <apokryphos> needless to say, he did, and it's probably one of the worst ban evaders we've ever had.
[09:39] <Hawkwind> LOL, right.    Get real.  That wouldn't happen
[09:39] <apokryphos> I didn't see the case, so I can't comment on that.
[09:39] <Hawkwind> Assuming you mean, you say it here on IRC
[09:39] <LjL> doesn't mean it ain't an acceptable parallel
[09:39] <gnomefreak> the language was enough to set a perm ban alone
[09:39] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: I disagree
[09:39] <gnomefreak> everything else is gravey
[09:40] <Hawkwind> Perm ban means forever and ever
[09:40] <LjL> yeah, the language was, and the ban evading admission was, and, i guess, the original behavior was bad enough to give him little room for appeal
[09:40] <Hawkwind> As stated in the last war we had, there shouldn't be such thing as a perm/forever ban
[09:40] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: i know what it means and he never stopped with it
[09:40] <gnomefreak> he kept going and going after repeadedly being warned
[09:40] <LjL> nothing necessarily lasts "forever and ever". any ban can be removed
[09:40] <apokryphos> we did hear him out, and I gave him the reasons for his banning (though it was hobbsee who set the ban)
[09:41] <apokryphos> the original ban was also anything but permanent; it became that far after
[09:42] <Hawkwind> Anyways, remove my op access.      I really hope someone takes these issues to the CoC and beyond so that there can be some kind of good guidelines set for ops of the *Ubuntu* community to follow.  As things are now, the way users get handled need a lot of reworking and a lot of serious though
[09:43] <Hawkwind> No hard feelings towards anyone here either.  There are several of you that I get along with very well.  But I can't see myself as part of something I don't agree with on a very regular basis
[09:44] <Hawkwind> jenda: When you're around next, please pm.  I need to give you access to something
[09:46] <apokryphos> controversy sucks, but hey
[09:46] <apokryphos> hm, I don't smell very nice. Need a shower 8)
[09:57] <somerville32> We lost a good op today.
[09:57] <somerville32> I hope he comes back.
[10:03] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-bots, lotusleaf said: ubotu: !kmymoney is KMyMoney, the Personal Finance Manager for KDE: http://kmymoney2.sourceforge.net/
[10:09] <somerville32> lol
[10:10] <LjL> !kmymoney2
[10:11] <ubotu> kmymoney2: Personal finance manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.4-4 (edgy), package size 6913 kB, installed size 14184 kB
[10:11] <LjL> ubotu, while it "works" in itself now that it isn't in very few channels, is for some reason very slow with factoid finding
[10:11] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[10:11] <LjL> err... sigh
[10:11] <LjL> i guess there's big load on the server
[10:12] <apokryphos> !codecs
[10:12] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:12] <apokryphos> finding packages without !info has always taken longer, sometimes, for me
[10:12] <LjL> no, factoids are fast enough - just packages finding is slow
[10:12] <LjL> oh i said factoids, i meant packages
[10:13] <LjL> yes finding packages is always kind of slow, but it's *very* very slow now
[10:13] <apokryphos> !info amarok-xine
[10:13] <ubotu> amarok-xine: xine engine for the amaroK audio player. In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.4.3-0ubuntu10 (edgy), package size 50 kB, installed size 188 kB
[10:13] <apokryphos> !libxine-extracodecs
[10:13] <LjL> hm. bah, was fast enough this time. but it took, let's see
[10:13] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.2-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1118 kB, installed size 2676 kB
[10:13] <apokryphos> it does fluctuate though
[10:14] <LjL> when i tried kmymoney2 it was 38 seconds, when i did the same in -bots it took a nice 47 seconds
[10:14] <LjL> *and*
[10:15] <LjL> a !find took 6 minutes
[10:15] <LjL> !find dcopserver
[10:16] <LjL> that's quite impressive isn't it
[10:16] <somerville32> lmao
[10:16] <somerville32> Omgz... this log is rather amusing in parts
[10:18] <somerville32> Sending him to #asdfg was mean though :(
[10:18] <ubotu> File dcopserver found in kdelibs-bin, kdelibs-dbg
[10:19] <LjL> wait... that wasn't just mean, it really shouldn't be done should it
[10:19] <LjL> hello bot
[10:19] <LjL> you took shorter than last time, that's good
[10:21] <somerville32> Did Mez actually try to exploit him?
[10:21] <LjL> i really haven't got around to read the log consequentially yet
[10:22] <LjL> however, i'd say... if you think someone deserves to be sent to that channel, or things like that, heck, have the decency of being silent about it =)
[10:22] <somerville32> I don
[10:23] <somerville32> *I don't disagree that that guy was way out of line
[10:23] <somerville32> but I don't think the situation was, once again, handled properly and professionally - and thats what I'm upset about.
[10:24] <somerville32> 25 [13:43:40]  <+Mez> Hobbsee, put it this way
[10:24] <somerville32> 25 [13:43:41]  <GazzaK> heheee
[10:24] <somerville32> 25 [13:43:52]  <+Hobbsee> Mez: if the guy put you up for abuse
[10:24] <somerville32> 25 [13:43:59]  <+Mez> I worked as a security expert for the local government for a while
[10:24] <LjL> that's possible - while i myself think sometimes appeals aren't even deserved (as i said), i do think we should always refrain from doing things like using foul language, exploiting, etc no matter what people did
[10:25] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-bots, lotusleaf said: ubotu !scoobysnack is Thanks, Shaggy!
[10:25] <somerville32> 25 [13:44:43]  <+jenda> Mez: please don't be evil.
[10:25] <somerville32> 25 [13:44:50]  <+Mez> jenda, is the next line
[10:25] <LjL> i do think that a breach of the guidelines while you're in here to appeal a ban *deserves* another immediate ban, though
[10:25] <somerville32> 25 [13:44:56]  <+Mez> "be extremely evil"
[10:25] <LjL> no
[10:25] <somerville32> Wow... the more I read this, the more I'm really surprised at bow Mez acted.
[10:25] <LjL> the next line would be "be extremely evil in a private query"
[10:25] <somerville32> *how
[10:26] <somerville32> LjL: The issue is that, do we have a "ignorance is no excuse" rule?
[10:26] <LjL> really, i don't give a darn if that guy got k-lined because of that, or if he was exploited and his connection dropped, or whatever. i'll laugh in his face
[10:26] <LjL> however, i don't think staffers appreciate this sort of thing, for one thing
[10:26] <somerville32> 25 [13:46:15]  <+Mez> he has an insecure oline
[10:26] <somerville32> 25 [13:46:21]  <+Mez> now I just need to find his password
[10:26] <LjL> somerville32: if you *know* about this channel, to start with, then you cannot be ignorant about the guidelines, because that's where this channel is mentioned
[10:27] <somerville32> LjL: People refer people all the time though
[10:27] <somerville32> And for a newbie, that might be a lot to take in anyhow
[10:27] <somerville32> IRC ettiquite isn
[10:27] <somerville32> I can't type today (like usual)
[10:27] <LjL> IRC etiquette is no rocket science
[10:28] <somerville32> *IRC etiquette also isn't something that can be mastered in 5 minutes.
[10:28] <somerville32> Where does it say on the guidelines page "Do not use <enter> as punctuation"?
[10:28] <LjL> it doesn't
[10:28] <somerville32> There are a lot of unwritten rules that people are followed to expect
[10:28] <LjL> yet, i'm not banning people because they do that one time
[10:28] <somerville32> And the worst part, they are different everywhere
[10:28] <LjL> !etiquette
[10:28] <ubotu> Unsure how you should behave on this channel? See !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam, !AskTheBot - and most importantly, use common sense :-)
[10:29] <LjL> this pretty much sums it up by the way, i believe
[10:29] <somerville32> First time I've *ever* seen that factoid used
[10:29] <LjL> well i think that if you respect #ubuntu's etiquette, you should be pretty much good to go in most other channels too
[10:30] <LjL> you're right, it hasn't been used very often
[10:30] <LjL> i've added it some months ago, and i've used it a bit myself, but that's all
[10:30] <LjL> it's also probably not a very good factoid to feed to anybody who's misbehaving
[10:30] <LjL> but it's handy when people misbehave in *several* different ways, and you start to think they're really just trolls
[10:31] <LjL> then you give them that factoid, and they really have no more excuses at that point
[10:31] <somerville32> Tell me though
[10:31] <somerville32> IF you're a newbie
[10:31] <apokryphos> somerville32: I think it would be unreasonable to ban anyone for using the <enter> key as punctuation
[10:31] <somerville32> and you're upset and distressed
[10:31] <apokryphos> but then, he was never banned for that, and secondly -- I warned him many times.
[10:31] <somerville32> Are you going to take the time to read 6-7 documents before you continue the debate?
[10:31] <LjL> if i'm upset and distressed, i don't abuse IRC users. it's not their fault if i have a problem with my stupid Ubuntu
[10:32] <LjL> *and* when i was a newbie, completely new to both IRC and the Internet, i rarely got banned "by mistake"
[10:32] <LjL> if ever
[10:32] <somerville32> Right... but we're not them. We've learnt how to act and how to behave
[10:32] <apokryphos> abuse is not really excusable
[10:32] <LjL> yeah, and i didn't learn it through being banned
[10:32] <LjL> i learned it through being cautious and reasonable
[10:32] <LjL> and by erring on the safe side when i didn't know what to do
[10:32] <somerville32> I feel sorry for people like him because you don't know if they are deliberately being like that or if they just don't know better.
[10:33] <somerville32> I mean, we have to remember that we are dealing with people from all over the world
[10:33] <somerville32> In different cultures
[10:33] <somerville32> and societies
[10:33] <somerville32> I'm not excusing what he did
[10:33] <somerville32> What he did was wrong
[10:33] <LjL> well? i'm from italy, and the italian cultures is quite different from, say, the american culture, yet the *first* channels i went to were *american* channels, and back then my english was far from decent too
[10:33] <somerville32> And he was obviously abusing us knowingly and maliciously in the end
[10:33] <LjL> still i hardly got myself reproached or banned
[10:34] <somerville32> LjL: I don't see the correlation between you and everybody else.
[10:34] <gnomefreak> when he started off dont think it was too deliberate. but as it went on he became alot more delberate and the long line that ended in something like i will use proxy to avoid (not his words and its the part before that) that got him banned from what i can tell
[10:34] <somerville32> Right
[10:35] <somerville32> The issue isn't what he did
[10:35] <somerville32> It is how we handled it
[10:35] <LjL> i do. if you're misbehaving *deliberately*, you deserve to be banned without a second chance -- and if you're misbehaving not deliberately, but still you're inconsiderate enough to not even *wonder* if *perhaps* some things *might* not be appropriate (such as, say, using obviously profane language), then you still deserve to be banned
[10:35] <somerville32> Right.
[10:35] <somerville32> The issue isn't what he did
[10:35] <somerville32> It is how we handled it
[10:36] <LjL> using enter as punctiation is hardly a capital sin. however, *other* things are, even if you *haven't* read the guidelines yet
[10:36] <apokryphos> somerville32: which part?
[10:36] <LjL> that's ok, that's another issue
[10:36] <gnomefreak> i think the issue isnt that either i think its too many people getting involved where they didnt need to and i saw alot of things from people that werent directly inviolved that said things they should have known better than to say
[10:36] <LjL> well i agree that sending someone to #autokline channels isn't quite a good thing to do
[10:36] <somerville32> Or attempting to exploit his machine
[10:36] <LjL> am i so mistaken apokryphos?
[10:36] <gnomefreak> LjL: and i missed that part lol
[10:36] <somerville32> gnomefreak, that is good point too
[10:37] <somerville32> I was going to say that too - way too many people got emotionally involved.
[10:37] <apokryphos> LjL: I don't think it's a non-staffers decision to decide whether someone should be klined, yeah
[10:38] <apokryphos> but note that we were dealing with a situation where jenda was the only staffer around, and she couldn't give out klines herself
[10:38] <somerville32> apokryphos, Does that matter?
[10:38] <apokryphos> I'm not sure about whether I think it's good or bad
[10:38] <LjL> apokryphos: *shrug* you could give bans for sure
[10:38] <LjL> still anyway, pssssst, don't *brag* about sending people to such channels or exploiting them! just do it silently! =)
[10:39] <PhilKC> Lots of *staffer* highlights, anything I can help with?
[10:39] <apokryphos> PhilKC: just talking about a previous issue
[10:39] <somerville32> PhilKC: We are just talking about how members of our OP team knowingly and maliciously attempted to exploit a user of the network.
[10:39] <gnomefreak> who sent him to the channel?
[10:39] <LjL> PhilKC: i don't think, we were discussing of things that happened a couple of hours ago. maybe you want to give us your opinion though
[10:39] <apokryphos> it's worth noting that he never went to the channel
[10:39] <somerville32> gnomefreak: Mez and Me
[10:40] <somerville32> Err..
[10:40] <somerville32> not me :P
[10:40] <gnomefreak> lol
[10:40] <PhilKC> Hmm, exploit? Howso?
[10:40] <gnomefreak> just mez?
[10:40] <LjL> apokryphos: ok, but still
[10:40] <apokryphos> sure
[10:40] <gnomefreak> PhilKC: the #asfsb chanel or whatever its called
[10:40] <somerville32> PhilKC: Tricking them into visiting auto kline channels and attempting to exploit their system
[10:40] <LjL> asdfg i believe, it's the first letter on the left home row
[10:40] <somerville32> #asdfdf is it
[10:40] <somerville32> I think
[10:40] <apokryphos> somerville32: I wish you wouldn't say things like that
[10:41] <PhilKC> Was the user, or any other user actually k/dlined?
[10:41] <apokryphos> there's a bit more to the case, and you know it
[10:41] <apokryphos> PhilKC: no
[10:41] <LjL> PhilKC: it seems not
[10:41] <apokryphos> PhilKC: I mean, he was eventually, yes
[10:41] <apokryphos> a few times, I believe
[10:41] <PhilKC> But not via the channel, via a staffer doing /kline magic?
[10:41] <apokryphos> LjL: he was. jenda got it done, but I'm not sure who through.
[10:41] <apokryphos> PhilKC: yes
[10:41] <LjL> well it was a "real" k-line at any rate
[10:41] <gnomefreak> PhilKC: is there a way to shut that channel down at all. i know a few people that have gone there :(
[10:42] <LjL> err... i think that channel *is* there as a trap =)
[10:42] <gnomefreak> that isnt an excuse. it just makes freenode look bad
[10:42] <PhilKC> gnomefreak, /query me the channel in question please.
[10:42] <PhilKC> But, yeah, no to sending people to any autok/dline channels..
[10:43] <LjL> agreed - besides, that way you advertize the channels. which can only have a negative effects
[10:43] <LjL> malicious people will get to know about those and avoid them
[10:43] <LjL> and innocent people will "just try" joining them
[10:43] <somerville32> If Amaranth lost his ops and cloak because of what he did, I think Mez should as well.
[10:44] <LjL> i disagree. for that matter, if he should lose them, so should the other ops that were there and looking, and said nothing
[10:44] <jenda> apokryphos: after all this time, you still think I'm female? ;)
[10:44] <PriceChild> jenda, I just Pm'd him about it ;)
[10:44] <PriceChild> jenda, I've sorted him out don't worry... he won't be troubling yuo again :P
[10:44] <gnomefreak> jenda: there wa s afemale with a simular name as yours
[10:44] <somerville32> LjL: If you feel that way, then I could support that position.
[10:44] <apokryphos> jenda: I even remember being told a couple of times; I'm really bad with gender-detection, and names that end in vowels; don't know why.
[10:45] <jenda>
[10:45] <jenda> hehe :)
[10:45] <apokryphos> LjL: I think there is a string of weight in that, but it definitely goes too far.
[10:45] <LjL> somerville32: i don't really feel that way. i believe sending someone to such a channel was *not* a good idea, but nevertheless i believe it was done light-heartedly and it should simply be made clear that it must not happen again
[10:46] <somerville32> It wasn't light-heartedly
[10:46] <somerville32> It is evident in the logs
[10:46] <LjL> ok, let me put this another way
[10:46] <gnomefreak> hes been around long enough to know
[10:46] <LjL> if someone really gets on my tits, i'll probably do the same thing myself in a moment of rage
[10:46] <LjL> i just think i'll not come here and tell
[10:46] <somerville32> ...
[10:46] <LjL> so sue me
[10:47] <somerville32> I'm absolutely appalled and completely disgusted.
[10:47] <LjL> look when someone is that abusive, i don't give a *damn* about them. their computer can explode, for all that i'm concerned
[10:47] <LjL> i just agree that we should keep things a bit professional in here
[10:48] <somerville32> I think it goes beyond that.
[10:48] <LjL> and also i'd suggest that people think about what undesired effects sending people to auto-kline channels may have
[10:48] <somerville32> I don't think it matters if we're acting within our positions here in the channel or in a private chat
[10:49] <somerville32> We must remain professional and emotionally detached at all times.
[10:49] <somerville32> If we can't, then you need to ask another op to step in for you.
[10:49] <jenda> May I ask what the problem with sending someone to that channel is?
[10:49] <somerville32> No.
[10:50] <gnomefreak> jenda: that channel is autokline
[10:50] <jenda> gnomefreak: you sure about that?
[10:50] <LjL> hm
[10:50] <LjL> no
[10:50] <jenda> gnomefreak: has anyone actually _tried_ joining it? ;)
[10:50] <LjL> still i'll take others' word about it
[10:50] <LjL> jenda: let me find a proxy, and i will...
[10:50] <LjL> not without thanks
[10:50] <gnomefreak> jenda: its happened to a bunch of people that just joined
[10:50] <gnomefreak> i cant afford an autokline atm to try it
[10:51] <PriceChild> jenda, I have :)
[10:51] <gnomefreak> jono was one that got auto dlined for joining there
[10:51] <PriceChild> jenda, I couldn't get into that channel
[10:51] <jenda> hear, hear...
[10:52] <apokryphos> that /cs info is......
[10:52] <jenda> That channel doesn't let anyone join it without invite.
[10:52] <jenda> apokryphos: and yes, it's officially not regged.
[10:52] <gnomefreak> jenda: it has been changed than
[10:52] <jenda> What's inside, nobody knows :)
[10:52] <gnomefreak> iirc jono got auto dlined for joining there a few months ago
[10:53] <apokryphos> anyhow, I have to shoot off for now
[10:53] <LjL> well anyway - whatever
[10:53] <LjL> it's clear though that the intent was to get him k-lined
[10:53] <somerville32> Right
[10:53] <LjL> which, in my mind, simply means that Mez should understand that it's not a sort of good idea
[10:53] <LjL> it ends there for what i'm concerned
[10:54] <apokryphos> same here
[10:54] <somerville32> I disagree.
[10:54] <jenda> gnomefreak: well, that channel is by no means an auto d-line channel.
[10:55] <gnomefreak> jenda: it was either auto kline or auto dline i cant remember what one jono got. he posted it o when it happenedn planet
[10:55] <gnomefreak> oops
[10:55] <gnomefreak> on planet when it happened
[10:55] <jenda> I understand.
[10:57] <gnomefreak> if it changed i wouldnt know im not stuid enough to join a channel that auto anything (no reason to join there anyway) so if it has changed most of us wouldnt have known so the intent was there
[10:58] <jenda> gnomefreak: but... what are you trying to reach? Convict him of wanting to trick a troll into k-lining himself?
[10:58] <LjL> uh yeah, i guess so :) still it's not something that's should be r...ecommended
[10:58] <gnomefreak> jenda: that is bad for an op to do to begin with and now that everything is public it really hurts
[11:00] <jenda> gnomefreak: it hurts no-one but that one op. We aren't to blame for that particular decision.
[11:00] <gnomefreak> jenda: i never blamed you for anything or anyone else
[11:01] <gnomefreak> jenda: but as a rep of the ops team no op should do it because it does look bad on everyone
[11:01] <jenda> gnomefreak: so why is it such an issue?
[11:01] <jenda> hmm
[11:01] <mc44> somerville32: too many plurals there
[11:02] <gnomefreak> jenda: and for the record its being talked about not argued with. i sent my thoughts upstream already
[11:02] <jenda> ok
[11:03] <ompaul> ping jenda
[11:03] <jenda> pong, ompaul
[11:04] <ompaul> pm
[11:04] <jenda> anytime
[11:10] <PriceChild> understatement of the hour... :P
[11:11] <tonyyarusso> Well, /away only tells me sentences that have !ops or profanity in them, so....
[11:12] <LjL> that must be my damn's
[11:12] <PriceChild> I'm sorry :(
[11:12] <tonyyarusso> LjL: From you I have two damns, one mention of gayubuntu, and one about dcc :P
[11:13] <LjL> tonyyarusso: that sounds about correct
[11:13] <gnomefreak> oopps i said that out loud :(
[11:14] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: sorry i was thinking to myself outloud typing :( waiting for beta2
[11:14] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, ah ok, was worried I had said something wrong :)
[11:14] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: nope :)
[11:14] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, in that case then go shout at "lupine_85" :)
[11:14] <gnomefreak> ;)
[11:15] <PriceChild> or DB O... :P
[11:16] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: your always here so your easy to find
[11:16] <gnomefreak> ;)
[11:16] <PriceChild> hehe :)
[11:16] <somerville32> You have gayubuntu as a highlight?
[11:16] <PriceChild> I'll go poke lupine again gnomefreak ...
[11:17] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: its not too urgent for me as it is for alot of other users i have delt with today
[11:17] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, yeah sorry
[11:17] <LjL> somerville32: i have, too... well, i have "gay", which includes gaybuntu
[11:17] <somerville32> Why?
[11:17] <gnomefreak> only thing i suffer from is not being able to change themes
[11:17] <LjL> somerville32: because half of the times it deserves a !language
[11:17] <tonyyarusso> somerville32: no, just gay.  Mostly for offtopic.
[11:18] <somerville32> Ah
[11:23] <somerville32> So, what is gayubuntu?
[11:25] <tonyyarusso> no idea, but I think it has a website.  Google?
[11:25] <LjL> yeah, it sure does
[11:25] <LjL> i'll spare my opinion
[11:25] <gnomefreak> google found http://www.thelinuxlink.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1732&sid=1363b14592e5d9966c12fc71233a92cf
[11:25] <somerville32> What do you mean, LjL?
[11:25] <gnomefreak> atleast thats the one in english
[11:26] <PriceChild> http://gaybuntu.com/
[11:27] <LjL> i mean i find it kind of amusing... and i could give some thoughts about it but i won't
[11:27] <LjL> still, it was merely mentioned by someone in #ubuntu and i pointed out it was offtopic
[11:28] <LjL> ... then someone else came up with very disagreeable remarks, but that one's quite banned now
[11:28] <somerville32> ...
[11:29] <somerville32> I'd love to hear your thoughts. Maybe in PM?
[11:30] <LjL> sure, although i can't say there's very organized thoughts
[11:30] <somerville32> No problem :)
[11:30] <LjL> though on that note, i think you could take the guy-with-the-disagreeable-remarks as an instance of someone who in my opinion doesn't even deserve an appeal
[11:36] <tonyyarusso> I'm so confused now....
[11:36] <somerville32> LjL: Can you point to the ban tracker entry?
[11:39] <LjL> somerville32: sure thing, one moment
[11:40] <LjL> two moments even, my connection is acting up lately
[11:41] <LjL> https://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/bans.cgi?query=black_abaddon&kicks=on&oldbans=on&bans=on&oldmutes=on&mutes=on - second ban listed (i see he's been banned before...), and it's quite offensive, so mind you sensitive readers :P
[11:42] <somerville32> I don't see it
[11:42] <somerville32> 2007-01-19T21:29:38 <black_abaddon> i come here only to trall
[11:42] <somerville32> 2007-01-19T21:29:43 <black_abaddon> i am a troller
[11:43] <gnomefreak> somerville32: is that why Seveas banned him too?
[11:44] <LjL> ah no somerville32, that was the second ban
[11:44] <LjL> look at the other ban then - or, hold on
[11:44] <LjL> hm where's the ban i'm thinking of ended up
[11:45] <somerville32> OperationalError: database is locked
[11:45] <somerville32>       args = ('database is locked',)
[11:45] <LjL> happens sometimes, just reload
[11:45] <somerville32>    39 cur.execute("""DELETE FROM sessions WHERE time < %d""", int(time.time()) - 2592000 * 3)
 i love good anal sex  <<< was the last line before ban set by Seveas
[11:46] <somerville32> Now the whole page doesn't work :/
[11:46] <gnomefreak> somerville32: this one? https://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/bans.cgi?query=black_abaddon&kicks=on&oldbans=on&bans=on&oldmutes=on&mutes=on
[11:47] <somerville32> bantracker is 100% borked for me
[11:47] <LjL> gnomefreak: not the one i was thinking of since the one i was thinking of was done by me... but, yeah, 'twas on the same line
[11:47] <LjL> somerville32: for me too, right now
[11:47] <gnomefreak> works for me
[11:48] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm thats weird
[11:48] <somerville32> Ok
[11:48] <somerville32> I need food
[11:48] <somerville32> _o/
[11:48] <LjL> i think the bantracker's running on the same server as the bot + there's horrible load on that server = a total mess
[11:48] <gnomefreak> maybe Seveas is working on it
[11:49] <LjL> the "locked database" thing happens once in a while, but i guess it's worse than usual today
[11:49] <gnomefreak> im getting same errors now
[11:49] <LjL> i think seveas is quite unaware of it all still
[11:49] <gnomefreak> well if he doesnt show up he will never know ;)
[11:49] <LjL> he'll know by the amount of highlights he gets when he opens up his IRC screen ;)
[11:49] <gnomefreak> Seveas: ban tracker seems borked
[11:50] <PriceChild> LjL, he's probably already fainted after seeing the mass of them :)
[11:50] <somerville32> lol
[11:50] <LjL> heh
[11:50] <gnomefreak> this morning was bad with pinging him
[11:50] <gnomefreak> i would have closed client
[11:51] <tonyyarusso> LjL, gnomefreak: Would either of you two be willing to sum up the problematic points from earlier for me?  (here, pm, ##tonyyarusso, whatever)  I'm still fantastically lost.
[11:52] <LjL> tonyyarusso, i can't say i'm not lost on some parts
[11:52] <somerville32> I gotta go
[11:52] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: its the way some people said things and telling someone to join a known auto kline channel just to be malious
[11:52] <PriceChild> have fun somerville32
[11:52] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: short easy version
[11:53] <gnomefreak> see logs for more details
[11:53] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: Yep, I've read through it all now.  So is the #asdfg thing the main problem then?
[11:54] <LjL> tonyyarusso: basically, this morning someone (malt) was banned from a channel (#ubuntu or -offtopic) i guess, came here to appeal, but misbehaved here too, and he got banned from here. later, given he had been ban evading for a while too, his ISP was sent an abuse complaint e-mail from an Ubuntu op. other ops however disagreed with the way he was treated (they think he wasn't given enough appeal), and i suppose they disagree with the letter to
[11:54] <LjL> his ISP too, especially as it was sent "as a representative of the Ubuntu IRC op team". they also disagree as to other ops' behavior while he was in here, as they feel it was abusive behavior itself
[11:54] <LjL> tonyyarusso: that's really quite a side issue i guess
[11:54] <gnomefreak> its one problem. not the one hawkwind was having but there are others in the logs. i personally think too many people gettng involved where they shouldnt have been
[11:55] <tonyyarusso> Hawkwind was probably the one I understood least why he was upset.
[11:56] <gnomefreak> i think his is where it could have been handled without a ban but noone really knows becasue i dont think he ever really said why
[11:56] <tonyyarusso> All right.
[11:57] <tonyyarusso> Does it seem pretty much dealt with now, or are we going to have to follow up on anything?
[11:57] <LjL> ah somerville32 here is the ban, it didn't show up under his nickname because he had left before i managed to ban him - https://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/bans.cgi?query=83-131-73-44.adsl.net.t-com.hr&kicks=on&oldbans=on&bans=on&oldmutes=on&mutes=on
[11:57] <LjL> (but then as you can see from the other bans, he evaded too)
[11:57] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: i can say i doubt its done with yet.
[11:57] <LjL> tonyyarusso: har har har. cough. pfff
[11:57] <tonyyarusso> Dang
[11:58] <gnomefreak> same thing over again
[11:58] <gnomefreak> with that person LjL
[11:59] <LjL> yeah gnomefreak, though i hadn't seen seveas's ban before i started talking about it. anyway i was really just giving it as the closest-in-time example of "here's somebody who for what i'm concerned can appeal his bans... not"
[11:59] <gnomefreak> got it.
[12:24] <tonyyarusso> LjL: ubotwo lacks the "You just said that!" timer?
[12:24] <DBO> seems so
[12:25] <LjL> hm? where's the example?
[12:25] <tonyyarusso> Although, that _was_ funny :P
[12:25] <mc44> no, the contexts were different
[12:25] <tonyyarusso> LjL: #ubuntu, !ohmy
[12:25] <LjL> ah right
[12:25] <LjL> no
[12:25] <LjL> ubotu does the same
[12:25] <LjL> i'd been thinking of filing that as a bug for some time
[12:25] <LjL> however, it'd only really help in certain situations
[12:25] <PriceChild> ubotu doesn't do that....
[12:25] <LjL> yes it does
[12:25] <LjL> !test
[12:25] <LjL> !test
[12:25] <tonyyarusso> I thought ubotu only said it once within like 5 or 10 seconds.
[12:25] <LjL> these two are the *same*, and so you get only one answer
[12:25] <LjL> ... or zero
[12:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about does the same - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:26] <tonyyarusso> !ohmy
[12:26] <tonyyarusso> !language
[12:26] <ubotu> Failed.
[12:26] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[12:26] <PriceChild> only one failed
[12:26] <LjL> tonyyarusso: yes, those are the same too
[12:26] <LjL> but when you add a "| someone", they're not the same anymore
[12:26] <LjL> ... which makes sense, in itself
[12:26] <mc44> tonyyarusso: no, names are differenciatied
[12:26] <tonyyarusso> LjL: That was the one that just happened, and we got three responses.
[12:26] <tonyyarusso> LjL: ooooh
[12:26] <mc44> or wot LjL said
[12:26] <tonyyarusso> Well that's lame ;)
[12:26] <LjL> well not really
[12:26] <LjL> if you're addressing two different people...
[12:26] <tonyyarusso> Yeah, I see.
[12:27] <LjL> i think the only one that should be fixed is "!factoid | someone" immediately followed by "!factoid" bare
[12:27] <tonyyarusso> Best case scenario:
[12:27] <LjL> that really has no purpose of being
[12:27] <LjL> but the opposite does
[12:27] <LjL> as does addressing two different people
[12:27] <LjL> it's annoying for sure, though
[12:27] <LjL> as is my use of Enter right now


[16:26]  * genii sips
[16:29] <genii> Something interesting happened just before lunch here. I went to go grab a couple USB sticks from BestBuy to throw some music on for a friend, and I had to wander through the section where they sell Macs in there on the way back. There was a guy asking the salesman about installing Ubuntu on a Mac and my ears perked up, talked to them both and might end up trying to get his new machine to dual-boot. Guess we'll see, supposed to email me. The salesman
[16:29] <genii>  was astounded.
[16:30] <genii> Don't worry, I plugged Ubuntu Canada and used my ubuntu.com email ... ;)
[16:30] <genii> Weird things are happening this week.
[17:24]  * aruna weird = good eh ?
[17:25] <aruna> yope !
[17:25] <aruna> genii: why dual boot fer chrissake ? Give the man Linux !
[17:27] <genii> aruna: Not sure why he wants the dual boot, but if that's the requirement, I'll look into making it happen for him. Might be another addition to the crew that shows up for the relase parties and Ubuntu Hours  :)
[17:28] <aruna> genii: Explain to the man the time wasted on cleaning up viruses and da blue screen of death and demonstrate both if u must. Lemme put it this way, if I gave you a dual boot wudnt you shoot me ? :)
[17:29] <aruna> genii: Nice work though... hope he touches base with you soon :)
[17:30] <genii> aruna: I'll keep the channel posted :)
[17:30] <genii> Incidentally, I just went over at the end of lunch and dropped off a 14.04 disc to the salesman to check out :)
[17:31] <genii> This is the same BestBuy they kicked me out of a few years ago for booting all their demo laptops up to an Ubuntu livecd, BTW
[17:32] <aruna> lol no ?
[17:32] <aruna> hahaa
[17:33] <aruna> am curious how much did u cough up for the two usb sticks n whats da capacity ?
[17:34] <aruna> am gonna put that up o my facebook and twitter feed.  Good luck though if your dual booting..
[17:35] <aruna> Oki..
[17:36] <genii> Two Lexar 32G USB2 sticks, $40.66 after tax
[17:36] <aruna> wow for both ?
[17:36] <genii> Yep, $17.99 each before tax
[17:37] <aruna> dats a great price nice :)
[17:37] <aruna> Bestbuy at Dundas ?
[17:37] <genii> The USB3 ones same capacity were $25.99
[17:37] <genii> aruna: Yep, that's the place :)
[17:37] <aruna> yes well they run faster
[17:38] <aruna> and I like da blue led :)
[17:38] <genii> Hehe
[17:38] <aruna> you have any 14.04 server editions lying around ? Can use one please
[17:39] <genii> aruna: I think I still have one here but I'd have to check
[17:39] <genii> They took one at HackLab
[17:39] <aruna> genii: No worries if you do leave me a msg will drop by n collect
[17:39] <genii> OK, will do
[17:40] <aruna> I shud go checkout thses guys at hacklab
[17:40] <aruna> thanks..
[17:40] <genii> aruna: Their open night is on Tuesdays when people can casually drop by
[17:41] <aruna> genii: are new people welcome though ? No agendas ?
[17:42] <aruna> genii: Listen I got one extra ticket for Moody blues and One for Pointer Sisters if your so inclined and I got a voucher for FREE grub up at Rama
[17:42] <genii> aruna: New people are welcome, you just come in and sit down, maybe get greeted at the top of the stairs and make a sticker for your shirt saying who you are. Then just talk to people or else just look around etc
[17:42] <aruna> genii: Alrighty, will go say hello one of these Tuesdays :)
[17:43] <genii> aruna: My main problem is that, having an addictive personality, going to a casino is too tempting for me, even if I'm only supposed to be there to see a concert or show :)
[17:43] <aruna> not gonna gamble not letting you no way no how
[17:43] <genii> Although I'm a fan of both Moody Blues and the Pointer sisters
[17:44] <aruna> leave the cards and cash at home like i do :)
[17:44] <genii> ( more Moody Blues tho)
[17:44] <aruna> ohkay so then we go ?
[17:45] <genii> Let me get back to you on that... when is it? I'm away Aug2 -10 with family and then probably shortly after that again for this China trip
[17:45] <genii> August is going to be helluva busy for me
[17:46] <genii> Work, afk
[17:47] <aruna> hold on a sek will check
[17:49] <aruna> Moody Blues Fri Aug 8th show starts at 9PM so that one you can't make
[17:49] <aruna> Pointer Sisters Sat Aug 16th starts at 9PM
[17:49] <aruna> lemme know..
[17:50] <aruna> if anyone on the channel would like to see Moody Blues contact moi please..
[17:50] <aruna> genii: How long will u be away ? China I mean ?
[17:51] <genii> aruna: The plan right now is 1 week. They want me longer there though. Depending how my boss at the building is about it and if I can find someone to replace me long enough, I may end up for 2 weeks.
[17:52] <genii> I made a plan before to use my vacation pay time for 1 week there in case I got no compensation back, but depending on the cash flow from China end, may go the whole 2 weks, etc
[17:55] <genii> My visa application ( and my friend's) are all filled out but we want to wait as long as possible before submitting them ( expedited approval is 24 hours). Since they are good for 6 months and two trips for up to a month each, this would put our second trip into January if we wanted.
[17:57] <azend|vps> genii: you moving to china?
[17:57] <genii> azend|vps: No, no. Business
[17:58] <azend|vps> ah
[17:58] <azend|vps> Sounds like fun :)
[17:58] <genii> The 3D tablet stuff. Factory visit to Shanwei City
[17:58] <aruna> genii: Can look after your place till you get back if you want no worries
[17:58] <genii> Hehe
[17:58] <aruna> genii: but you need to teach me what to do
[17:59] <genii> aruna: I may take you up on that if there's no combo of my two regular replacements which can cover the time :)
[17:59] <aruna> genii: lemme know if u need me am here :)
[17:59] <genii> Will do
[17:59] <aruna> K..
[18:00] <azend|vps> genii: you should go to shenzen and buy all the stuffs :D
[18:00] <genii> Actually in between IRC and running the elevator today, I am drawing up diagrams of the new case design
[18:01] <genii> azend|vps: Our trip will be about 18 hours from Toronto to Beijing by Air Canada, then we get right on a local flight to Shenzhen where I meet my interpreter, then we both get a vehicle sent by the factory from Shenzhen to Shanwei
[18:02] <azend|vps> Air Canada and then China Air back?
[18:02] <genii> I spent a bunch of time learning basic phrases in Mandarin only to find out they primarily speak Cantonese there ...
[18:02] <azend|vps> That's sketchy mate :P
[18:02] <azend|vps> haha
[18:03] <genii> azend|vps: Air Canada is partnered up with Air China to complete flights to internal airports from Beijing. So return will be Air China from Shenzhen to Beijing, Air Canada to Toronto
[18:04] <azend|vps> That's what I said. Sketchy
[18:04] <genii> azend|vps: Worst case, I get on the phone, call up the CTO at the factory and yell a bit from the Beijing airport and see what happens
[18:05] <azend|vps> true enough


 https://www.reddit.com/r/Kubuntu/comments/cxlkc6/kubuntu_1904_love/
[21:28] <valorie> nice to hear
[21:28] <valorie> :-)
[21:28] <valorie> all your good work, @RikMills
 To be fair, 90% is great KDE upstream work
[21:29] <valorie> true
[21:29] <valorie> thanks for your work there as well
 I do what I can, given my c++ is not up to scratch
[21:35] <valorie> that's a big language to master
[21:35] <valorie> from what I hear in the devel chans
[21:35] <valorie> people still learning from one another after years of coding
 Yeah, I have dabbled for one reason or another in the past, but simply never had the time to learn properly
 Same here
 I can handle 95% of patches, as I understand the general principles of it and coding more generally, so can infer what what is right. Making original changes > than the trivial is hard for me though.
 There are soooooooooooooo many things if I have time that I would rather learn than c++, so doubt that will improve :P
 @RikMills, Like becoming a Debian Developer? :P
 @tsimonq2, Why would I want to do that?


[04:54] <lkthomas> hey guys
[05:16] <lkthomas> I want to let non-root user to execute start, stop, status on our in house program which is server-port_*