[05:45] <tjaalton> bryce: so, should be switch -intel to XAA for alpha4?
[05:45] <ubotu> New bug: #186928 in xdm (universe) "Please sync a new version from Debian unstable" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186928
[05:45] <ubotu> New bug: #186930 in xinit (main) "Please sync a new version from Debian unstable" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186930
[05:46] <tjaalton> hmm, mesa not listed on the versions_current
[05:46] <tjaalton> ..page
[05:48] <pwnguin> fyi, it looks like wacom-tools might break X as currently packaged =(
[05:50] <ubotu> New bug: #186932 in xserver-xorg-video-mga (main) "Please sync a new version from Debian unstable" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186932
[05:52] <tjaalton> pwnguin: tell the debian maintainer (ron lee) to package the latest version
[05:52] <pwnguin> indeed
[05:54] <pwnguin> how do you tell a debian developer what to do?
[06:04] <tjaalton> file a bug :)
[07:26] <pwnguin> theres already a bug filed saying it causes crashes and the new version fixes that
[07:29] <tjaalton> so he's just lazy
[07:30] <pwnguin> I guess
[07:30] <pwnguin> im not sure how much debian patches linux wacom
[07:30] <pwnguin> or i'd probably give it a shot myself
[07:41] <tjaalton> I'll update it today
[07:45] <pwnguin> you're a hero
[09:30] <tjaalton> bah, doesn't build
[09:31] <tjaalton> for some reason it doesn't -I../../../src/xdrv so it fails
[09:36] <tjaalton> strange, the Makefile has -I$(srcdir)
[10:03] <tjaalton> $(CC) -MM $(CFLAGS) $(DEPFLAGS) $(DRIVER_INCLUDES) $(XF86OBJS:%.o=%.c) > .depend
[10:04] <tjaalton> that fails, because XF86OBJS expands as "file1.c file2.c.." without paths
[10:04] <tjaalton> so.. I'll leave it to Ron then :)
[10:08] <Ng> out of interest, how are things looking on the -intel, EXA and TTM fronts? :)
[10:10] <tjaalton> no news :/
[10:10] <Ng> shucks
[10:11] <tjaalton> I've noticed that there have been commits on mesa/drm/intel git about it, and I should try it out again
[10:11] <tjaalton> maybe later this week
[11:25] <tjaalton> uploaded a new -intel which contains all the fixes from 2.2-branch
[11:25] <Ng> cool
[11:35] <ubotu> New bug: #187007 in xserver-xorg-video-suntcx (main) "sync request" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187007
[14:30] <bryce> morning tjaalton
[14:30] <bryce> tjaalton: I've talked with most everyone about EXA vs. XAA and that we're likely to need to go with XAA.  I think most people will accept it
[14:31] <bryce> after discussing it, most people thought it was the correct tradeoff to be making
[14:31] <bryce> tjaalton: I'm thinking though, that perhaps we should write up a Hardy driver status page, explaining the current state, what doesn't work, what's improved, etc.
[14:32] <tjaalton> bryce: ok, I already uploaded a new package but didn't change that yet
[14:32] <tjaalton> yep
[14:33] <bryce> looking into why mesa isn't on the versions page...
[14:35] <tjaalton> wow, drivers getting deprecated
[14:35] <tjaalton> about time
[14:41] <bryce> ah, mesa is the source package, but not what's installed.  hrm
[14:42] <bryce> libgl1-mesa-dri?
[14:42] <bryce> ah libgl1-mesa-dev would be better
[14:55] <bryce> hrm
[14:55] <bryce> tjaalton: looks like mesa uses sourceforge as its download site.  I've found SF notoriously difficult to maintain screen scrapers for.
[14:57] <tjaalton> oh right
[14:58] <bryce> investigating if we can at least pull in the debian version info
[14:59] <tjaalton> like libdrm
[15:09] <bryce> hrm, this is proving thorny
[15:10] <bryce> oohhhh
[15:18] <bryce> tjaalton: fixed http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Xorg/versions_current.html
[15:18] <tjaalton> nice :)
[15:25] <bryce> tjaalton: over the next few weeks I'm going to focus on fixing our gui x config setup
[15:25] <bryce> tjaalton: colin and I talked about this friday, and he agreed it should be my high priority through to FF
[15:26] <bryce> our current config tools are hopelessly broken at the moment, and not in a release-worthy state
[15:26] <bryce> I've exchanged a couple emails with glatzor but unfortunately he appears to be extremely busy
[15:29] <tjaalton> ok, I've wondered where he's been :)
[15:39] <bryce> it seems he's moved to night shifts again
[17:26] <ubotu> New bug: #144068 in xorg (main) "X graphical interface not loading." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/144068
[22:45] <ubotu> New bug: #184073 in xorg-server (main) "xserver-xorg-core 2:<IP_ADDRESS>.dfsg-ubuntu8.1 Gutsy AMD64 update is 403 forbidden" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184073


[00:49] <pleia2> jose: you got UWN wrangling this week? hopping on a plane soon and going to take a proper Ubuntu-free vacation


[16:01] <arosales> Hello
[16:01] <gnuoy> \o
[16:01] <rbasak> o/
[16:01] <rharper> o/
[16:01] <arosales> I'll be chairing the server team as I forgot to send minutes last week
[16:01] <jamespage> o/
[16:01] <matsubara> o/
[16:02] <sforshee> o/
[16:02] <beisner> o/
[16:02] <arosales> #startmeeting ubuntu-server-team
[16:02] <arosales> come on bot
[16:02] <arosales> #startmeeting ubuntu-server-team
[16:02] <coreycb> o/
[16:03] <arosales> #endmeeting
[16:03] <arosales> #startmeeting
[16:03] <lutostag> o/
[16:03] <arosales> hmm looks like the bot may be sick today
[16:03] <arosales> anyone know of any ways to kick it ?
[16:04] <rbasak> Looks like meetingology isn't online at all.
[16:04] <arosales> ok I'll continue without the bot today
[16:04] <rbasak> AlanBell: help?
[16:05] <arosales> rbasak: should I hold one for a sec?
[16:05] <rbasak> arosales: I guess he's not online, and I'm not sure who to ask. Best to proceed without I guess.
[16:05] <gaughen> o/
[16:05] <arosales> rbasak: ok and thanks for the thelp
[16:06] <arosales> *help
[16:06] <gaughen> arosales, you're up again?
[16:06] <arosales> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:06] <arosales> no actions from last week
[16:06] <arosales> it was a pretty brief call with it being post release and folks at ODS
[16:06] <arosales> gaughen ya I forgot to send minutes so I am up again this week
[16:07] <arosales> #topic Utopic Development
[16:07] <arosales> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseSchedule
[16:07] <arosales> so we have the client sprint going on this week
[16:07] <arosales> vUDS is June 12, mark your calenders
[16:07] <arosales> Alpha 1 at the end of June on the 26th
[16:07] <arosales> #subtopic Release Bugs
[16:08] <arosales> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-u-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server
[16:08] <arosales> 3 high bugs under server
[16:08] <arosales> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ec2-api-tools/+bug/1319555
[16:08] <arosales> smoser: utlemming ^
[16:09] <smoser> i'll triage that.
[16:09] <arosales> looks like utlemming is working
[16:09] <smoser> oh, yeah. looks like it
[16:09] <arosales> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxc/+bug/1315052
[16:10] <arosales> looks like hallyn did some triaging ealier this month
[16:10] <arosales> hallyn: any comments here?
[16:10] <hallyn> fixed upstream
[16:11] <arosales> hallyn: sounds like you are wating for the lxc fixes pushed as well but testing is looking ok
[16:11] <arosales> re comment 2
[16:11] <arosales> hallyn: will you be working to bring those into trusty and utopic, not current owners atm
[16:12] <hallyn> updated the status
[16:12]  * arosales refresh
[16:12] <hallyn> stgraber will merge those in with regular merge of stable
[16:12] <hallyn> i expect he'l be doing that next week
[16:12] <arosales> hallyn: ah ok, thanks
[16:12] <hallyn> (both for utopic and trusty)
[16:12] <arosales> good stuff, thanks for the update and bug status udpates
[16:12] <arosales> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/clamav/+bug/1317587
[16:13] <arosales> looks like scott kitterman has that in progress
[16:13] <arosales> that covers the high, any other bugs folks would like to bring up here?
[16:14] <arosales> #subtopic Blueprints
[16:14] <arosales> #link http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-t/group/topic-u-servercloud-overview.html
[16:14] <arosales> not found . . . .
[16:14] <arosales> gaughen, smoser, jamespage: are utopic blueprints made?
[16:15] <jamespage> inprogress
[16:15] <arosales> ack
[16:15] <arosales> given you guys have been sprinting and at ODS _completely_ understandable
[16:15] <arosales> #topic Server & Cloud Bugs (caribou)
[16:15] <gaughen> arosales, yes - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-u-server
[16:16] <arosales> gaughen: ah nice
[16:16] <arosales> I'll update the IRC command link
[16:16] <arosales> gaughen: any points you would like to cover re blueprints?
[16:17]  * arosales doesn't see caribou around . . .
[16:17] <arosales> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (psivaa)
[16:17] <psivaa> arosales: We had some issues on smoke test infrastructure for utopic. it's now fixed and i'm going to kick the runs now.
[16:17] <arosales> good to here there were fixes :-)
[16:18] <psivaa> :)
[16:18] <gaughen> arosales, like jamespage said they are a work in progress
[16:18] <arosales> gaughen: ok, and thanks for the link
[16:18] <arosales> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb, sforshee)
[16:18]  * beisner thanks psivaa
[16:18]  * smb looks surprised and removes the towel
[16:18] <smb> For EC2 there is some discussion upstream for network issues of newer kernels (3.8+) which drop packets if fragments are, err, too fragmented. Not final outcome, yet. And on a side note, I might be getting more "dangerous" soon as I succeeded in getting a few more upload rights.
[16:19] <smb> That would be all if there are no questions
[16:19] <arosales> smb are you working with smoser or utlemming on the EC2 network issues in 3.8+?
[16:20] <smb> arosales, No I was asking Xen / kernel upstream
[16:20] <smoser> smb, is there a bug for this ?
[16:20] <smb> yes
[16:20] <smb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1317811
[16:21] <arosales> smb thanks for the update
[16:21] <arosales> smb: good luck on the additional upload rights too :-)
[16:21] <arosales> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:21] <arosales> everyone rested from ODS?
[16:21] <arosales> great demo btw
[16:22] <gaughen> not sure I'm rested but I'm ready for resting this holiday weekend, arosales
[16:22] <arosales> +1 to thtat
[16:22] <arosales> that
[16:22] <arosales> any other upcoming events?
[16:22]  * arosales not aware of any so I'll move on.
[16:22] <arosales> #topic Open Discussion
[16:22] <arosales> any other topics
[16:23] <arosales> ok sounds like all topics covered then :-)
[16:23] <gaughen> nope
[16:23] <arosales> #topic Announce next meeting date and time
[16:24] <arosales> NEXT MEETING: Tuesday 2014-05-27 at 1600 UTC
[16:24] <smoser> thank you arosales
[16:24] <arosales> thanks all for attending
[16:24] <arosales> #endmeeting
[16:24] <jamespage> thanks arosales
[16:24] <rbasak> Thanks arosales!
[16:24]  * arosales will not forgot to send minutes this time :-)
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:00] <jsalisbury> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Utopic
[17:00] <ppisati> o/
[17:00] <ogasawara> o/
[17:00] <henrix> o/
[17:00] <kamal> o/
[17:00] <rtg> o/
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] ARM Status (ppisati)
[17:01] <ppisati> Nothing new to report this week
[17:01] <ppisati> ..
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (jsalisbury)
[17:01] <jsalisbury> Release metrics and incoming bug data can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kt-meeting.txt
[17:01] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Milestone Targeted Work Items (ogasawara)
[17:02] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-distro-team/+upcomingwork
[17:02] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-u/canonical-kernel-distro-team.html
[17:02] <ogasawara> Here's our todo list until we formulate a better plan for tracking work
[17:02] <ogasawara> next week at our team sprint:
[17:02] <ogasawara> || apw       || core-1405-kernel || 2 work items ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> || ogasawara || core-1405-kernel || 2 work items ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> ..
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Utopic Development Kernel (ogasawara)
[17:02] <ogasawara> We have uploaded our first v3.15 based kernel, 3.15.0-1.5, to the Utopic
[17:02] <ogasawara> archive.  It is currently based on the v3.15-rc5 upstream kernel.
[17:02] <ogasawara> -----
[17:02] <ogasawara> Important upcoming dates:
[17:02] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseSchedule
[17:02] <ogasawara> Mon-Wed June 9 - 11, vUDS (~3 weeks away)
[17:02] <ogasawara> Thurs Jun 26 - Alpha 1 (~5 weeks away)
[17:02] <ogasawara> Fri Jun 27 - Kernel Freeze for 12.04.5 and 14.04.1 (~5 weeks away)
[17:02] <ogasawara>  * NOTE: The PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule notes Kernel Freeze as Aug 9.  I believe this should be amended to Jun 27.
[17:02] <ogasawara> ..
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: CVE's
[17:02] <jsalisbury> The current CVE status can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:02] <jsalisbury> http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/ALL-linux.html
[17:02] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Trusty/Saucy/Precise/Lucid (bjf/henrix/kamal/arges)
[17:03] <henrix> Status for the main kernels, until today (May. 20):
[17:03] <henrix>   *   Lucid - Prep week
[17:03] <henrix>   * Precise - Prep week
[17:03] <henrix>   * Quantal - Prep week
[17:03] <henrix>   *   Saucy - Prep week
[17:03] <henrix>   *  Trusty - Prep week
[17:03] <henrix>
[17:03] <henrix> Current opened tracking bugs details:
[17:03] <henrix>   * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kernel-sru-workflow.html
[17:03] <henrix> For SRUs, SRU report is a good source of information:
[17:03] <henrix>   * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/sru-report.html
[17:03] <henrix>
[17:03] <henrix> Schedule:
[17:03] <henrix>
[17:03] <henrix> cycle: 18-May through 07-Jun
[17:03] <henrix> [17:03] <henrix>          16-May   Last day for kernel commits for this cycle
[17:03] <henrix> 18-May - 24-May   Kernel prep week.
[17:03] <henrix> 25-May - 31-May   Bug verification & Regression testing.
[17:03] <henrix> 01-Jun - 07-Jun   Regression testing & Release to -updates.
[17:04] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions? Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[17:05] <jsalisbury> Thanks everyone
[17:05] <jsalisbury> #endmeeting
[17:05] <apw> jsalisbury, thanks..
[17:06] <kamal> thanks jsalisbury
[19:41] <costales> Hi! :)
[19:57] <costales> SergioMeneses, \o/
[19:58] <SergioMeneses> hi everybody!
[19:58] <costales> Hi folks!
[19:58] <costales> Who is here from from the Catalan Team? :)
[19:58] <wagafo> I am
[19:59] <wagafo> HI everybody!
[19:59] <rafael_carreras> i am
[19:59] <alexm> o/
[19:59] <costales> Hi wagafo! :) Hi rafael_carreras
[19:59] <wagafo> Bona nit! in Catalan
[19:59] <costales> hi alexm :)
[19:59] <costales> Bona nit!
[19:59] <rafael_carreras> hi costales
[19:59] <alexm> hi everybody
[20:00] <SergioMeneses> hello Catalan Team!
[20:00] <rafael_carreras> hello
[20:00] <josepgallart> hello
[20:00] <wagafo> hello
[20:00] <jose> ok, let's get started.
[20:00] <PabloRubianes> hello
[20:00] <jose> #startmeeting LoCo Council Meeting 14-05-20
[20:00] <costales> let's go jose! :)
[20:00] <costales> Thanks for coming!
[20:00] <jose> oh damn.
[20:01] <jose> give me a sec to put a meetingology clone live
[20:01] <SergioMeneses> go for it
[20:01] <costales> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CatalanTeam/ReVerificationApplication2014
[20:02] <PabloRubianes> wait costales
[20:02] <jose> someone needs to read backscroll!
[20:02] <SergioMeneses> wait for the bot :D
[20:02] <costales> :$ :P sorry
[20:04] <jose> 2 more mins
[20:05] <lluisanunez> hello everyone
[20:05] <costales> hi lluisanunez
[20:06] <jose> let's give this a try...
[20:07] <jose> #startmeeting LoCo Council Meeting 14-05-20
[20:07] <JoseBot> Meeting started Tue May 20 20:07:15 2014 UTC.  The chair is jose. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell.
[20:07] <JoseBot> Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired
[20:07] <jose> uh
[20:07] <jose> #endmeeting
[20:07] <JoseBot> Meeting ended Tue May 20 20:07:27 2014 UTC.
[20:07] <JoseBot> Minutes:        http://people.ubuntu.com/~joseeantonior/Logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-05-20-20.07.moin.txt
[20:07] <jose> #startmeeting LoCo Council Meeting 14-05-20
[20:07] <JoseBot> Meeting started Tue May 20 20:07:49 2014 UTC.  The chair is jose. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell.
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[20:07] <jose> there we go
[20:07] <costales> thanks Joeb454
[20:08] <costales> thanks jose
[20:08] <jose> hello everyone, and sorry for the delay
[20:08] <jose> np
[20:08] <rafael_carreras> hello again
[20:08] <costales> hi rafael_carreras. Thanks for coming!
[20:08] <wagafo> hello
[20:08] <josepgallart> hello again
[20:08] <alexm> hello from barcelona!
[20:08] <costales> Hi everybody!
[20:08] <cubells> hi!
[20:08] <PabloRubianes> hello
[20:09] <jose> #voters costales SergioMeneses PabloRubianes jose jose-as-smk
[20:09] <JoseBot> Current voters: PabloRubianes SergioMeneses costales jose jose-as-smk
[20:09] <jose> so, welcome to another LC meeting
[20:09] <jose> can any of the LC members give us an update for what today's agenda is?
[20:10] <costales> Hi jose, yes
[20:10] <costales> it's the Catalan team Reverification
[20:10] <costales> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CatalanTeam/ReVerificationApplication2014
[20:10] <jose> nothing else?
[20:11] <costales> I think no
[20:11] <jose> ok
[20:11] <jose> let's move on, then
[20:11] <jose> #topic Catalan Team Re-Verification
[20:12] <PabloRubianes> hello
[20:12] <PabloRubianes> before going with this
[20:14] <PabloRubianes> I'm afraid we can vote on this topic today as we need to finish the discussion of the availability of teams in smaller regions than countries
[20:14] <PabloRubianes> can't*
[20:14] <rafael_carreras> i thought it was settled years ago
[20:15] <PabloRubianes> we have at the moment a rule of one team per country
[20:15] <alexm> how so? when did that change?
[20:15] <jose> it's always been like that
[20:15] <PabloRubianes> yes
[20:16] <wagafo> But we have been approved for 7 years, and carried a lot of activities
[20:16] <PabloRubianes> I know that the catalan team is a great one
[20:17] <jose> it's not because you are a 'bad' team or a team which does not demonstrate activities, but instead because of the rules that are in place at this current time
[20:17] <wagafo> Then only an Andorra team could be approved?
[20:17] <PabloRubianes> but we need to fix this situation because we need to have rules for all teams not just for the spain teams and other for the rest of the world
[20:18] <alexm> where's that rule written, please?
[20:18] <alexm> no-one mention that rule on the meeting where we were approved as an official team
[20:18] <jose> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto#Getting_Started
[20:19] <wagafo> Aren't there teams in the US only for Michigan or so?
[20:20] <jose> sorry, could you rephrase that, please?
[20:20] <costales> A lot of people is here today for the reverification. I think we could vote for the reverification now and discuss that theme in a short future. Are you agree?
[20:21] <wagafo> When you discuss that just think that if the rule is one state = one team there will be no Catalan team any more
[20:22] <jose> well, there's Ubuntu Spain, isn't there?
[20:22] <costales> I'm from Ubuntu Spain jose
[20:22] <costales> I think it's perfect now
[20:22] <alexm> i'm not so sure that such one-team rule is so clear in the wiki mentioned before
[20:22] <wagafo> That's in Spanish, we promote Ubuntu in Catalan
[20:22] <costales> I think the Catalan team is the best team in Spain
[20:23] <costales> and they are spreading Ubuntu in Catalunya in the best way
[20:23] <costales> that is the important
[20:23] <jose> I have already stated my point of view in those terms a couple lines above
[20:23] <PabloRubianes> alexm: "If you would like to set up a LoCo team for a smaller region (such as a county or town district), you should work to do this within the existing wider team. "
[20:23] <alexm> PabloRubianes: our team is much larger than a region, it has several countries included
[20:24] <SergioMeneses> guys why dont you want to be part of ubuntu Spain?
[20:24] <jose> before that
[20:24] <wagafo> Catalan is spoken also in France and in Italy
[20:24] <alexm> Catalan language is spoken in several countries
[20:24] <jose> let's open a vote to decide if we should go ahead and proceed with the voting or not
[20:24] <alexm> i think you should read the minutes from the meeting where the catalan team was approved
[20:24] <jose> #vote continue with the re-verification process or not?
[20:24] <JoseBot> Please vote on: continue with the re-verification process or not?
[20:24] <JoseBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[20:25] <costales> I think we (Loco Council) have to listen the teams in this important question
[20:25] <costales> +1 continue
[20:25] <jose> erm... JoseBot is awaiting votes
[20:25] <JoseBot> +1 continue received from costales
[20:25] <PabloRubianes> -1 we can't reapprove even we don't have a clear opinion about the rule
[20:25] <JoseBot> -1 we can't reapprove even we don't have a clear opinion about the rule received from PabloRubianes
[20:26] <SergioMeneses> 0 I feel we need more information about why split the team
[20:26] <JoseBot> 0 I feel we need more information about why split the team received from SergioMeneses
[20:26] <jose> -1 This could bring other consequences in the future, we need to address everything in one shot
[20:26] <JoseBot> -1 This could bring other consequences in the future, we need to address everything in one shot received from jose
[20:26] <jose> #endvote
[20:26] <JoseBot> Voting ended on: continue with the re-verification process or not?
[20:26] <JoseBot> Votes for:1 Votes against:2 Abstentions:1
[20:26] <JoseBot> Motion denied
[20:26] <costales> We could tell that to the rafael_carreras' mail
[20:27] <cubells> Qué fuerte!
[20:27] <PabloRubianes> wagafo alexm this is not against the catalan team, but please understand that we have many other regions from the world that want to divide, but we have a fixed amount of resources
[20:27] <costales> before the meeting :/
[20:27] <jose> so, the re-verification process has been suspended as of now, but let's move on with those questions
[20:27] <jose> resources are just one part of the whole we need to see
[20:28] <jose> so, SergioMeneses, I think you had a question?
[20:28] <josepgallart> :'(
[20:29] <SergioMeneses> I was asking about why the guys dont want to be part of ubuntu-spain?
[20:29] <cubells> SergioMeneses: Because my culture is diferent,
[20:30] <SergioMeneses> is it a problem? language issues? demographic ? geographic?
[20:30] <lluisanunez> It's a matter of language
[20:30] <rafael_carreras> there are some issues here, being the language the first one
[20:30] <cubells> SergioMeneses: because my language is different
[20:30] <alexm> SergioMeneses: because Catalan is also spoken in Andorra, Italy and France
[20:30] <alexm> it doesn't make sense a regional locoteam
[20:31] <PabloRubianes> alexm: we don't have teams by language
[20:31] <costales> alexm, will make sense a locale team?
[20:31] <SergioMeneses> that is a huge problem!
[20:31] <wagafo> One of the main points of the Catalan teeam is to have free software in Catalan, it doesn't make any sense to be within another language, and this said from somebody like myself who is originally Spanish speaker (Uruguay born)
[20:31] <PabloRubianes> if not latin america should be one team
[20:31] <alexm> PabloRubianes: yes you have, and it was approved several years ago, it's us
[20:31] <jose> I repeat, as the *current* rules state (you can check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamRegions to be *even more* specific), "Each team should cover a full country"
[20:32] <PabloRubianes> alexm: catalan team is form cataluña
[20:32] <PabloRubianes> no catalan the language
[20:32] <alexm> no way
[20:32] <rafael_carreras> PabloRubianes: that's not true
[20:32] <wagafo> In a lot of senses the Catalan speaking regions are a country, you should have a broader view, unless Ubuntu becomes partisan on this
[20:32] <cubells> PabloRubianes: ah! you don't understand anything
[20:32] <alexm> it's for us to decide and we don't want to be a regional team
[20:33] <cubells> PabloRubianes: I'm valencian
[20:33] <josepgallart> http://blocs.gencat.cat/blocs/AppPHP/eapc-rld/files/2014/04/Mapa-dialectes-catal%C3%A02.jpg
[20:33] <costales> this will be an interesting point about the "belonging" of a tem (the art of community of Jono Bacon)
[20:33] <jose> again, we're not talking about languages, we're talking about countries
[20:33] <cubells> PabloRubianes: I'm not from catalunya
[20:33] <costales> Una y grande jose
[20:33] <jose> LoCo Teams are for countries
[20:33] <costales> change the rules then
[20:34] <jose> you better than everyone should understand how this works, costales.
[20:34] <wagafo> For states or for countries?
[20:34] <cubells> you are breaking a great community of ubuntu.
[20:34] <jose> it's not a matter of 'just do it'
[20:34] <costales> the Catalan Team did a really great work. Are we not recognized them???
[20:34] <jose> costales: for the fourth consecutive time, read what I said a few lines above.
[20:34] <costales> Jose: then unify USA
[20:34] <jose> have you read the rules?
[20:34] <costales> yes, I did
[20:35] <costales> I don't agree with them
[20:35] <costales> about this point
[20:35] <PabloRubianes> costales: but are the rules
[20:35] <jose> do you know how the LoCo Council works? because as far as I know you're a LoCo Council member, and we *all* know things have to be discussed
[20:35] <costales> It is unfair
[20:35] <PabloRubianes> you have to change them before all this
[20:35] <jose> we're a team, not a single person trying to enforce things
[20:35] <costales> I'm telling my position
[20:35] <costales> as you
[20:36] <jose> then please try to calm down a bit :)
[20:36] <costales> my *personal* position
[20:36] <jose> you're sounding a bit... aggresive
[20:36] <costales> no :)
[20:36] <costales> sorry
[20:37] <jose> PabloRubianes, SergioMeneses: anything else to ask/say?
[20:39] <jose> anyone else, any other points to raise?
[20:39] <SergioMeneses> I want to invite these guys to join us in a talk about this case, maybe we can re-check some points that now are not too clear - imho -
[20:39] <rafael_carreras> as you wish
[20:39] <wagafo> These guys are really depressed, this Saturday we had a great release party, no I think frustrated
[20:40] <SergioMeneses> dont feel sad or mad about this, it is not the end of the world. We are here to help you guys but try to get our point of view as well
[20:41] <SergioMeneses> wagafo, I know but take this like the first step, we need more information in a complete context to get a good answer to you guys
[20:41] <SergioMeneses> it is more than +1 or -1
[20:42] <jose> as of now there's nothing we can instantly do
[20:42] <alexm> you should read the catalan team approval meeting minutes: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2007/05/15/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t03:51
[20:42] <rafael_carreras> thank you alexm
[20:42] <costales> thanks alexm. We'll do!
[20:43] <jose> anything else to say?
[20:44] <jose> otherwise we can go ahead and end the meeting
[20:45] <SergioMeneses> I tell you something,  guys send us an email to our mailing list a we might work there! and try to find the best way for all us!
[20:45] <SergioMeneses> what do you say?
[20:45] <costales> SergioMeneses, what about ast and gl too?
[20:45] <rafael_carreras> ok, I'll send an email
[20:45] <costales> and es-es
[20:46] <jose> costales: off-topic for this meeting's agenda
[20:46] <SergioMeneses> rafael_carreras, perfect!
[20:46] <SergioMeneses> jose, ++
[20:46] <SergioMeneses> I am done!
[20:46] <rafael_carreras> jose: offtopic the topic you talked about today
[20:46] <jose> rafael_carreras: pardon?
[20:47] <rafael_carreras> the meeting said reverification
[20:47] <rafael_carreras> only that
[20:47] <jose> we did a vote and explained why we wouldn't proceed on voting for that at this point
[20:48] <alexm> this meeting it's been a downer
[20:48] <alexm> definitely not the best way to encourage building a community
[20:49] <cubells> alexm: I agree with you
[20:49] <josepgallart> +1 alexm
[20:49] <costales> +1 alexm
[20:49] <alexm> where rules matter more than people something's wrong
[20:49] <jose> if you would like to take it from that point of view, go ahead, but we're taking it as a new start to see if we re-focus current rules
[20:49] <lluisanunez> +1 alexm
[20:50] <wagafo> I feel stupid having work so hard for last Saturday release party
[20:50] <alexm> jose: maybe, but this meeting wasn't the right place nor the right time
[20:50] <wagafo> Exactly, what's the point  of calling for re-verification and slamming a door in our faces?
[20:50] <SergioMeneses> guys I understand your feelings but try to get our point too
[20:50] <jose> I think discussing it/not discussing it at this point is not going to get us anywhere
[20:51] <jose> we didn't call it, *YOU* guys did
[20:51] <SergioMeneses> we want to do the thing right, just that
[20:51] <jose> but anyways
[20:51] <wagafo> do as you wish
[20:51] <rafael_carreras> jose: we did call it because it was time to do it
[20:52] <josepgallart> digueuli que per mi aquestes activitats quedan anulades:XX de novembre de 2014 Festa utòpica  a un lloc encara per determinar. 19 de setembre:Xerrada UBUNTU per usuaris Xerrada: Migració a Libreofice al ajuntament de Caldes a carrec de Josep Gallart DLP 2014 a la Palma de Cervelló,http://www.konfraria.org/dlp2013/index.html 24 de maig de 2014: festa d'instal·lació al Centre Ateneu democràtic i progressista in Caldes de Mon
[20:52] <josepgallart> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CatalanTeam/Activitats
[20:52] <wagafo> josepgallart is cancelling 4 activities he had in the coming weeks
[20:52] <jose> so, as per council decision, this is not leading anywhere, so we're calling this the meeting
[20:52] <jose> #endmeeting
[20:52] <rafael_carreras> that was josepgallart telling that his activities have been cancelled
[20:52] <JoseBot> Meeting ended Tue May 20 20:52:41 2014 UTC.
[20:52] <JoseBot> Minutes:        http://people.ubuntu.com/~joseeantonior/Logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-05-20-20.07.moin.txt
[20:53] <jose> I don't see any reason to, but you guys are the one handling the team
[20:53] <cubells> literalment ens han tancat la porta en la cara...
[20:54] <josepgallart> si ja no tenim equip de que parla??
[20:54] <cubells> alucino pepinos!
[20:54] <rafael_carreras> jose: apparently we are not a team anymore
[20:54] <jose> rafael_carreras: and why is that?
[20:55] <wagafo> The rules, you said, jose
[20:55] <PabloRubianes> wagafo: we are not shutting the team
[20:55] <SergioMeneses> rafael_carreras, wagafo dont be drastic!
[20:55] <costales> rafael_carreras, tomorrow you'll expire
[20:55] <rafael_carreras> because we are a regional thing or something like that
[20:55] <costales> i'm so sorry
[20:55] <wagafo> Well, we feel like that, don't send us the ballpens and such but do support the community
[20:55] <lluisanunez> well, we are becoming unofficial after seven years of good activity!
[20:55] <jose> I can not give you any more advice but to follow your personal judgement, and recommend a 24h cooldown period before continuing this discussion further.
[20:56] <wagafo> Thanks jose, good adivse, but let's see what's left of the Catalan team after this
[20:56] <jose> lluisanunez: there's no 'unofficial' teams
[20:56] <jose> but anyways
[20:57] <rafael_carreras> jose: well, not approved then
[20:57] <jose> I need to get back to other stuff, laters everyone
[20:57] <jose> rafael_carreras: approved isn't the term either :) verified as of now
[20:57] <jose> o/
[20:57] <rafael_carreras> bye
[20:57] <costales> Good bye team
[20:57] <lluisanunez> goodbye costales
[20:58] <costales> my personal apologies
[20:58] <rafael_carreras> thank yu jose, things were different when sabdfl approved us
[20:58] <wagafo> thanks for the support costales
[20:58] <rafael_carreras> yes, thanks costales
[20:58] <costales> we'll working in the issue
[20:58] <costales> I'm sure we'll find a solution
[20:59] <costales> good night
[20:59] <wagafo> Bye costales


[05:25] <quickhand_> Hello!  I'm running the arm port of ubuntu on a smartq v7, but the default repository server, ports.ubuntu.com, is sloooooow (I'm in Thailand).  Anyone know of any more nearby mirrors?  Can't find anything on the web.  Thanks!
[06:02] <StevenK> quickhand_: I can't find any mirrors of ports.ubuntu.com, at least.
[06:02] <quickhand_> StevenK: thanks anyways!
[13:56] <amb_> hello someone here
[13:57] <ogra> yes
[13:57] <ogra> :P
[13:58] <persia> ogra: You have to be faster than that.
[13:59] <ogra> haha


[00:22] <jrgifford> skellat: make it home safely?
[00:22] <jrgifford> I heard it started snowing badly in Cleveland.
[00:26] <Unit193> Did a little here, but not so much. :/
[00:26] <Unit193> Temp: 29 F (-2 C) ~ light snow mist ~ Humidity: 96% ~ Observed: Tue 26, 18:52
[00:26] <belkinsa> Same
[00:26] <Unit193> We'll get it yet.
[01:39] <skellat> jrgifford: Only got home around 8 PM finally.  The further east you went on I-90, the worse it got.
[01:41] <skellat> That was a long enough day downtown and then visiting family in Slavic Village
[23:01] <Unit193> jrgifford: Welcome back.
[23:03] <jrgifford> Thanks


[06:53] <dholbach> good morning
[17:51] <pleia2> Unit193: link check? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue318
[17:51] <pleia2> just sent it off to the editors
[17:52] <pleia2> will publish some time tonight my time (a bit of delay due to holiday weekend)
[21:25] <Unit193> pleia2: Good to go.


[02:24] <bbyever> hello
[02:26] <bbyever> well
[02:26] <bbyever> mmm
[02:27] <bbyever> i wanted to ask if there has been any ideas to join ubuntu marketing, with something related to global warming or other environmental issues...
[02:33] <bbyever> anyone...?
[02:33] <johnc4510-laptop> bbyever: not to my knowledge
[02:35] <bbyever> johnc4510-laptop: i should have been here yesterday for the meeting then...
[02:35] <johnc4510-laptop> :)
[05:05] <Syntux> Good day
[09:54] <Syntux> would it hurt if we propose to a close source software company to sponsor a LoCo team?
[12:16] <rjian> hello cody-somerville
[12:16] <cody-somerville> Hello
[12:16] <cody-somerville> Everyone pumped for today?! Woot woot!
[12:16] <rjian> cody-somerville: how are you?
[12:16] <rjian> :)
[12:16]  * cody-somerville is doing well.
[12:17] <rjian> cody-somerville: did you received my email? :)
[12:17] <cody-somerville> What was it about?
[12:18]  * cody-somerville gets a _lot_ of e-mail :)
[12:18] <rjian> cody-somerville: hehe its about on launchpad Ubuntu-media relation i think..
[12:19] <cody-somerville> Was it sent specifically to me or on a ml?
[12:19] <rjian> cody-somerville: i send it to you.. on your gmail account :)
[12:19] <cody-somerville> What is your e-mail address?
[12:19] <rjian><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:20] <cody-somerville> "No messages matched your search. " :(
[12:20] <rjian> :(
[12:20] <cody-somerville> Send it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:20] <rjian> ok got it ill send it..
[12:20] <cody-somerville> Thanks.
[12:21] <rjian> thanks also.. :)
[12:21] <cody-somerville> Do we have a channel for the release "party" like we did last time?
[12:22]  * rjian wow hope i can join the release party on Ubuntu-marketing :)
[12:28] <katkin> cody-somerville: yep #ubuntu-release-party
[14:01] <Hattory> cody-somerville, Hi....where are all press release?
[14:01] <cody-somerville> hmm?
[14:05] <Hattory> cody-somerville, the press release that we've translated... where is? :D
[14:05] <cody-somerville> Your loco team should host it on their website.
[14:06] <Hattory> cody-somerville, ah ok... I think that all translated are in a page ;) thnks
[14:33] <JustinRyan> Morning all
[14:33] <JustinRyan> Any suggestions on where I might find someone official-like to give a quick quote for a news story?
[14:50] <cody-somerville> JustinRyan, I can help you out.
[14:51] <JustinRyan> Excellent :)
[14:51] <JustinRyan> I just want a little blurb, a "X from X said:" kind of thing to stick into a post for Linux Journal
[14:52] <cody-somerville> I'm the Xubuntu team lead, a Marketing team administrator, and a Ubuntu developer.
[14:52] <JustinRyan> Lovely!
[14:52] <cody-somerville> Can we get a blurb in specifically for Xubuntu too? :)
[14:53] <JustinRyan> Sure :)
[14:53] <cody-somerville> Splendid.
[14:54] <cody-somerville> Which soundbite would you like first? Anything specific you'd like me to touch on?
[14:54] <JustinRyan> Not really.
[14:54] <JustinRyan> It's a pretty general "It's out" kind of thing
[14:54] <JustinRyan> I just like to have something other than a reworked press release to stick up :)
[14:55] <JustinRyan> I usually say snarky things about the news, but since I'm an Ubuntu user, that won't really work

[14:57] <JustinRyan> Unless you're in the middle of typing something specific, how about an answer to "What would you like our readers to know" or "What's the most exciting part of today's release for you?"
[15:00] <boredandblogging> links to translations of the ubuntu press release have been posted at http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1409. If you want to add a language, send me a URL.
[15:07] <cody-somerville> JustinRyan, see private query
[15:07] <JustinRyan> cody-somerville: kk
[18:37] <ligemeget> Hey people, I was the one who translated the press release into Danish - now I'm wondering... Where is it used..?
[18:50] <ligemeget> anyone...?
[18:50] <linuxcrypt> I know they are on the fridge
[18:50] <linuxcrypt> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/
[19:02] <ligemeget> linuxcrypt, Danish is not there - although Nickali should have recevied it...?
[19:31] <ligemeget> come on!
[19:32] <juliux> morning


[09:30] <xnox> Archive Admins: please decruft unity8-desktop-session on arm64/powerpc/ppc64el.
[09:30] <xnox> seb128: ^
[09:31] <seb128> xnox, k
[09:31] <seb128> hum
[09:32] <seb128> oh, right, I see what you mean
[09:36] <seb128> xnox, done, let's see if that makes britney happy
[09:37] <xnox> =)
[10:49] <seb128> xnox, bregma: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8-desktop-session -> it's in the release pocket now
[10:56] <Laney> that still wants to install libhybris :(
[11:14] <xnox> Laney: and it needs a custom ppa to run anyway....
[11:14] <Laney> O_O
[11:22] <mlankhorst> can I request a syncpackage for libevdev? doesn't seem to have any reverse-depends so a soname bump should be fine
[12:07] <bregma> seb128, thanks for unblocking -- Laney the libhybris installation would go away if bug #1261935 got fixed properly in the platform-api project and xnox the PPA is required because the Mir project hasn't incorporated the fix for bug #1279092 in any of its last 3 releases
[12:07] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1261935 in platform-api "platform-api needs a non-NULL Desktop sensor implementation" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1261935
[12:07] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1279092 in Mir "Nested Mir crashes with - what(): MesaNativePlatform::create_internal_client is not implemented yet!" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1279092
[12:08] <Laney> bregma: The problem is that if you install libhybris then it breaks a lot of egl programs like totem
[12:08] <xnox> RAOF: are you doing MIR releases? why above MIR fixed was not included yet?
[12:10] <Laney> I wonder...
[12:10] <RAOF> xnox: I'm not doing Mir releases, generally; you'd be looking for duflu and/or kgunn. But that hasn't landed because it doesn't work with >1 monitor (both displays freeze rapidly)
[12:11] <xnox> bregma: is there fix for multi monitor?
[12:11] <xnox> bregma: i have dual screen, if you want to ssh/test
[12:11] <bregma> xnox I am not a Mir developer I have no idea what their plans are
[12:12] <xnox> bregma: at least it should do no harm.... and e.g. fail the unity8-desktop-session.
[12:12] <xnox> bregma: who wrote the required mir patch?
[12:14] <infinity> mlankhorst: Done.
[12:14] <xnox> bregma: if uniy8-desktop-session crashes mir under dual-screen or relies on external ppas, it's not fit for release or to be in the archive.
[12:14] <mlankhorst> infinity: ty
[12:15] <bregma> xnox, do you not mean if unity8 crashes it is not fit for the archive?
[12:21] <xnox> bregma: unity8 package does not crash and is fit for the archive.
[12:21] <xnox> bregma: i run it all the time, as a stand-alone app.
[12:22] <xnox> bregma: unity8-session-desktop package however, is not fit in the archive at the moment - as the archive does not have things it depends on in the archive.
[12:22] <xnox> bregma: (the -mir one, -x11 one is fine)
[12:23] <xnox> bregma: RAOF: please agree and find how to fix bug 1279092, cause otherwise we can't ship unity8 desktop session on mir in trusty.
[12:23] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1279092 in Mir "Nested Mir crashes with - what(): MesaNativePlatform::create_internal_client is not implemented yet!" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1279092
[12:24] <xnox> (... or assign/delegate someone to drive fixing it)
[12:25] <RAOF> xnox: racarr is investigating the ‘hangs with multiple outputs’ issue at the moment; it looks to be something not-treadsafe being threaded, but we're still not sure what.
[12:26] <RAOF> xnox: Once we know how to make it work, it'll land.
[14:24] <arges> infinity: hi. can you remove-package from quantal/precised -proposed for iproute? the package is verification-failed. thanks
[14:32] <rtg> infinity, please reject Precise intel-microcode 0.20130906-p-1ubuntu1 in the Unapproved queue. I've got a newer version at Intel's request.
[16:58] <cjwatson> Has anyone had a chance to consider bug 1282311 yet?  I'm almost ready to land it now, pending review
[16:58] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1282311 in click (Ubuntu) "[FFe] libclick" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1282311
[16:59] <Laney> I'll spend a chunk FFeing in a minute
[17:10] <jamespage> please could the binary package for openvswitch-lts-saucy be accepted into precise-proposed
[17:10] <jamespage> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openvswitch-lts-saucy/1.10.2-0ubuntu2~ubuntu12.04.1/+build/5621984
[23:26] <cjwatson> ^- not strictly required but would be nice to make the click test suite handle failures better.  feel free to apply pressure-free judgement
[23:58] <doko> cjwatson, ftbfs


[18:15] <metalbiker> finally here. i'm going to be here all day thank goodness! anybody online today?
[18:55] <chelz> juset about
[18:55] <chelz> feeling existential
[19:14] <metalbiker> hey, chelz. good to see you here as well. i'm kinda in and out at the moment. lunch time. lol
[19:20] <metalbiker> where do you live chelz?
[20:16] <chelz> i'm in the east bay, near walnut creek
[22:49] <metalbiker> wow, finally back. major power outage.
[23:48] <metalbiker> what's up lynorian?
[23:48] <lynorian> overly hot
[23:48] <metalbiker> lol, i know that's right. same here. where do you live? i'm here in apple valley.
[23:49] <lynorian> Torrance cooler than a lot but I have no air conditioing
[23:49] <metalbiker> oh no!! how do you manage all day/night without it? O.O
[23:50] <lynorian> sea breeze
[23:51] <metalbiker> oh nice! I'd give anything to be by the ocean on the beach right now.
[23:52] <lynorian> running water?
[23:52] <lynorian> other than a spigot back out front
[23:54] <metalbiker> oh ok. i was in santa monica back in December and man, beautiful. this high desert is pretty but i'd rather be down there.
[23:54] <metalbiker> how long have you been a member of the ubuntu team?


[08:07] <mup> Bug #2011621 changed: maas deprecation of postgres 12 on focal <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2011621>
[18:41] <mup> Bug #2011733 opened: Commission fails testing on smartctl because drive serial numbers don't match <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2011733>


[00:56] <kenvandine> cjohnston, that's great...
[02:10] <cjohnston> kenvandine: your gone for the week?
[02:28] <waltercool> Ubuntu 10.10, will use metacity, compiz or gnome-shell ??? Because gnome-shell is very slow (for me)
[02:29]  * micahg doesn't think gnome-shell is in the running for 10.10 default
[02:31] <waltercool> so, will be a extra package?
[02:31] <micahg> waltercool: it's in universe at the moment
[02:32] <micahg> waltercool: it has a build failure
[02:32] <waltercool> micahg, bad compilation?
[02:33] <micahg> waltercool: well, somethings not working, the version that's in the pool should be installable again today
[02:35] <waltercool> micahg, ohh, gnome-shell seems great, but bad working... if is fixed... should be great :) Seems nice :)
[02:36] <micahg> waltercool: well, there's an update from 2.28 to 2.31, but someone needs to fix the build failure ( I might try later this week)
[02:38] <waltercool> micahg, is better wait to gnome team to fix that :) Or is a ubuntu problem? (maybe dependences)
[02:46] <micahg> waltercool: Ubuntu issue
[02:48] <waltercool> exist a site with the compilation status of ubuntu-desktop?
[07:30] <TheMuso> o/c
[08:54] <pitti> Good morning
[09:04] <kenvandine> cjohnston, sort of... sprinting in prague
[10:01] <didrocks> RAOF: a better stacktrace: http://paste.ubuntu.com/465817/
[10:15] <didrocks> RAOF: do you have the "DEBUG: Unable to create proxy for /org/moblin/UX/Shell/Toolbar"… ?
[10:34] <TheMuso> 1/aw
[11:00] <and471> mpt, hey
[11:00] <mpt> heyyyyyyy
[11:01] <and471> mpt, you in prague?
[11:01] <mpt> and471, yep
[11:01] <mpt> and so is davmor2
[11:01] <and471> mpt, how is it there?
[11:01] <mpt> It's weird, we're not in a basement
[11:01] <and471> hehe
[11:02] <davmor2> mpt: I'm not
[11:03] <mpt> Oh dear, I'm confusing davmor2 with another Dave
[11:03] <and471> mpt, anyway, I did a little bit of work on SC (got ditracted a bit on my own project) but there is one question I wanted to ask, in this pic https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=in-progress.jpg , for the number in the in progress entry, are the colours meant to be the gtk theme's colors, what font etc.
[11:03] <and471> mpt, that is mean taunting davmor2 like that :D
[11:04] <davmor2> :')
[11:04] <mpt> I was thinking of Daviey
[11:04] <davmor2> :'( even
[11:05] <mpt> and471, mmnz_ told me that implementing that wouldn't be possible until he'd done a custom tree view for the navigation pane. Have you worked out how to do it regardless?
[11:05] <and471> mpt, oh, well I was just thinking of doing a normal pixbuf and that doesn't need to be re-implemented
[11:05] <mpt> ok
[11:06] <and471> mpt, maybe he had another idea of how to do it, but a pixbuf is the simplest and easiest
[11:06] <and471> mpt, it was becuase I was implemented the /i\ icon for the broken apt cache, and so I though I could use the same column for both
[11:06] <mpt> and471, I hadn't really thought about colors. How about the pane background color (e.g. white) for the number, and the disabled text color (e.g. grey) for the lozenge background?
[11:06] <and471> *implementing
[11:07] <and471> mpt, ok, also one more question, in this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=catalog-broken-navigation-pane.jpg
[11:07] <and471> the icon it uses is for the danger icon
[11:07] <and471> a broken apt cache doesn't seem dangerous to me, would the warning icon be better?
[11:07] <mpt> and471, there should be a stock icon for that
[11:08] <mpt> That is the warning icon, right?
[11:09] <mpt> It's not dangerous, so much as something that needs fixing
[11:10] <and471> mpt, in Humanity, the stock icon for warning is a round icon with a ! so a ( ! ) instead of a /!\
[11:10] <and471> mpt, I was just checking this was ok
[11:10] <and471> mpt, or whether the triangular one was really wanted
[11:10] <mpt> and471, what color is the (!) ?
[11:10] <mpt> in Humanity
[11:11] <mpt> I don't remember seeing that icon anywhere
[11:11] <and471> mpt, I'll show you a screenshot, it might be easier to visualise
[11:11] <mpt> thanks
[11:11] <mpt> hi kiwinote, how's it going
[11:11] <kiwinote> hi mpt
[11:12] <and471> kiwinote, ah sorry, how is it going?
[11:13] <kiwinote> mpt, this morning i rounded off the startup speed improvements branch. there is still more that can come, but it is a good improvement for now
[11:13] <kiwinote> hi and471
[11:13] <and471> mpt, http://imagebin.org/105914
[11:13] <kiwinote> then i tried to get my 64bit install to boot to do some testing, but no luck so far..
[11:14] <and471> mpt, that is GTK_STOCK_DIALOG_WARNING
[11:14] <kiwinote> and471, nice! broken aptcache I assume?
[11:14] <and471> mpt, or wait, maybe I have something wrong
[11:14] <and471> kiwinote, yup :)
[11:14] <and471> mpt, give me a sec, I might be confusing myself...
[11:15] <and471> mpt, okay, right that is GTK_STOCK_DIALOG_WARNING
[11:17] <and471> mpt, there is an emblem-danger in Humanity which is a /!\, but as I said, I don't think it is dangerous
[11:18] <vish> and471: Humanity/status/24/dialog-warning.svg is a /!\
[11:19] <and471> hi vish :)
[11:19] <vish> o/ :)
[11:19] <mpt> and471, is it just Elementary being weird?
[11:19] <and471> mpt, uhoh, maybe... gimme a sec
[11:19] <vish> yup...
[11:19] <vish> mpt: we just try to keep some difference :D
[11:20] <and471> mpt vish sorry, it was just me being stupid, everything is fine, the /!\ icon is shown as it should be :)
[11:20] <mpt> ok
[11:20] <and471> mpt, in which case I have no more questions :)
[11:20] <vish> lol!
[11:20] <mpt> The prosecution rests.
[11:20] <and471> :D
[11:21] <kiwinote> mpt: out of interest, are you at guadec next week?
[11:21] <mpt> kiwinote, yes, all next week
[11:22] <kiwinote> mpt: nice
[11:22] <mpt> and471, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter?action=diff&rev2=398&rev1=397
[11:22] <and471> mpt, hehe thanks :)
[11:23] <and471> mpt, I may not be able to do much work on SC this week, but maybe by mid week I should have most of what I can implement with the broken apt cache (I need mvo to do a little bit)
[11:24] <mpt> cool
[11:26] <and471> vish, I am working furiously on my new screencasting app :)
[11:26] <and471> its gonna be awesome :)
[11:27] <vish> cool!
[11:28] <and471> vish, http://whyareyoureadingthisurl.wordpress.com/2010/06/29/introducing-a-screencaster-called-kazam/
[11:29] <vish> and471: yeah , i'v seen that.. sounds neat! , though i hope you would fix more papercuts :p
[11:29] <and471> vish, hehe :)
[11:30]  * and471 has to go to eat and play tennis (but not simultaneously)
[11:52] <vish> mpt: instead of using the gtk-stock icons its better to use "dialog-warning" and such , the gtk icons are going to be removed from gnome..
[11:54] <vish> they dont want to depend on the symlinks and icon naming utils..
[11:55] <vish> only the icon from fdo naming spec will remain in the long run.
[11:55] <vish> icons*
[11:59] <vish> http://www.bomahy.nl/hylke/blog/were-removing-icons-again/
[12:01] <vish> mpt: http://live.gnome.org/GtkNamingSpecInvestigation
[13:46] <alf__> didrocks: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=588244
[13:46] <ubot2> Debian bug 588244 in clutter-1.0 "Clutter eglx packaging" [Wishlist,Open]
[13:52] <bcurtiswx> empathy doesn't show seb128 here, but is he?
[13:53] <bcurtiswx> (i know of a bug with empathy not showing people on channel users list)
[13:53] <chrisccoulson> bcurtiswx, no
[13:53] <chrisccoulson> but he's sat opposite
[13:55] <bcurtiswx> chrisccoulson: OK, is this an OK place to ask a question on patches?
[13:55] <bcurtiswx> its to empathy
[13:55] <chrisccoulson> bcurtiswx, feel free
[13:56] <bcurtiswx> re bug #606317 its what i think is a simple addition to debian/control of a depends on libdconf0.  Is this correct?
[13:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 606317 in empathy (Ubuntu) "Empathy don't remeber perosnal setting and revert to some sort of default at every start (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 1701)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/606317
[13:58] <dpm> didrocks, would it be possible to strip the '-2.30' suffix from the evolution-2.30.pot template in the evolution package? We've now got two templates in maverick in LP, and that seems to cause some trouble exporting the translations in language packs. I think seb128 did that in previous versions, but I'm not quite sure how.
[13:59] <bcurtiswx> chrisccoulson: maybe kenvandine would be better for this question since he works with empathy uploads?
[14:02] <didrocks> dpm: ok, I'll ask him. Do you know where this pot file is? source only?
[14:02] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, i think seb128 was just talking about that
[14:02] <didrocks> alf__: thanks
[14:04] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine: in the bug he mentioned making libglib2.0-0 recommends to a depends.  i wanted to make the patch, but i don't know/don't see where to do this
[14:05] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, which bug?
[14:05] <bcurtiswx> i thought it was debian/control  but i don't see that in recommends
[14:05] <bcurtiswx> bug #606317
[14:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 606317 in empathy (Ubuntu) "Empathy don't remeber perosnal setting and revert to some sort of default at every start (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 1701)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/606317
[14:06] <dpm> didrocks, thanks! I think it's the one generated by the package during build, I don't think it's in the sources under the po folder
[14:06] <kenvandine> oh... he meant in the glib package
[14:07] <kenvandine> not empathy
[14:07] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine: OK, i can still write a patch for that.
[14:07] <kenvandine> libglib2.0-0 needs to depend on libdconf0
[14:07]  * bcurtiswx will look to see if its not done already
[14:11] <kenvandine> better to use bzr
[14:11] <kenvandine> bzr branch lp:~ubuntu-desktop/glib2/ubuntu
[14:11] <kenvandine> i think
[14:11] <kenvandine> bzr branch lp:~ubuntu-desktop/glib/ubuntu
[14:12] <seb128> who wants to change glib?
[14:13] <bcurtiswx> seb128: i was going to check it to see if you made libdconf0 depends.. if not i was going to write patch
[14:14] <bcurtiswx> seb128: i guess since its trivial, my patch would be futile
[14:14] <chrisccoulson> why would glib depend on libdconf?
[14:14] <bcurtiswx> chrisccoulson: bug #606317
[14:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 606317 in empathy (Ubuntu) "Empathy don't remeber perosnal setting and revert to some sort of default at every start (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 1701)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/606317
[14:18] <didrocks> alf__: can you join #debian-gnome on OFTC, please?
[14:18] <seb128> bcurtiswx, no, but I plan to merge other debian changes so don't bother
[14:19] <bcurtiswx> seb128: OK
[14:20] <bcurtiswx> seb128: for future note, a "bzr diff > packagename.patch" uploaded to bug would suffice?
[14:22] <seb128> bcurtiswx, yes
[14:24] <bcurtiswx> seb128: OK, thx.  Time to head to work.  adios
[14:29] <didrocks> dpm: ok, I'll have a look :)
[14:33] <seb128> dpm, no
[14:33] <seb128> dpm, the version is changing every cycle
[14:33] <seb128> dpm, somebody needs to approve the new template in launchpad
[15:04] <mpt> vish, ok, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter?action=diff&rev2=399&rev1=398
[15:38] <ogra> didrocks, https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-m-lightweight-panel-for-efl last WI is yours :)
[15:43] <didrocks> ogra: thanks :)
[16:08] <dobey> anyone know if there's a way to make dpkg-buildpackage delete the .deb and associated files that it created while doing a build?
[16:08] <dobey> or to get a simple list of the files?
[16:09] <Zdra> at the end of the build it says the deb created afaik
[16:10] <dobey> Zdra: somewhere during the build, it spits out the name of each deb file created, yeah, but i'd have to trap all output and write a parser to deal with it :(
[16:10] <dobey> Zdra: i was just hoping for some sort of 'clean' command, or a dh_listbinaries or something :)
[16:11] <Zdra> ah, for an automatic
[16:11] <Zdra> script
[16:11] <Zdra> dunno then
[16:12] <dobey> yeah, manually, i could just cd .., do an ls, and rm -f the files :)
[16:13] <dobey> i guess i could just do something similar
[16:14] <didrocks> pedro_: jcastro: can we make a bug day on banshee? There are a lot of untriaged bugs and it will be good to do that before promoting it to main :)
[16:16] <pedro_> didrocks, sure, first week of August sounds good?
[16:16] <didrocks> pedro_: awesome!
[16:16] <pedro_> jcastro,  ^
[16:16]  * didrocks hugs pedro_
[16:16] <pedro_> didrocks, ok i'm scheduling it now ;-)
[16:16]  * pedro_ hugs didrocks back
[16:27]  * lamalex will be in London..
[16:27] <lamalex> for banshee hugday that is
[16:30] <glatzor> hello mvo, just a short notice: I fixed the sync calls of aptdaemon in trunk
[16:31] <glatzor> mvo, see you!
[16:34] <mvo> hey glatzor
[16:34] <mvo> glatzor: nice, you rock ! \o/
[17:06] <TheMuso> .c
[17:49] <AnAnt> Hello, where can I get help regarding audio problems ?
[17:50] <and471> AnAnt, try #ubuntu
[17:50] <AnAnt> tried that
[17:51] <and471> AnAnt, well this channel is for development so not really the place, also many devs are currently sprinting in Prague and so won't be here
[17:51] <and471> oh, or don't stay to listen :-(
[18:26] <geser> dobey: why not use "apt-cache showsrc <srcpkg> | grep Binary:"? or do I don't understand what you want to accomplish?
[18:29] <dobey> geser: because that doesn't work for something that's not in the apt-cache. i'm trying to make some automagical testing happen for landing changes to a branch that only has packaging info in it (and it only builds 'virtual' packages taht depend on other things), but I don't want to have the parent dir get filled up with the built packages. i just want to make sure the package builds successfully and trap any lint errors
[18:30] <dobey> but i made a workaround to deal with the built files in .. for now
[18:31] <dobey> now i'm hitting another issue, though. as piping output to tee causes the exit code to always be 0, even if bzr bd fails (eg with "bzr bd -- -ptrue")
[20:18] <baptistemm> hello


[02:24] <PCLine__> Evening everyone.
[02:24] <Unit193> Howdy.
[02:25] <PCLine__> Hey Unit193 - Hows things with you tonight?
[02:26] <Unit193> Alive, I believe.
[02:27] <PCLine__> I think you are alive.  But I might be reading an Echo of you so I dont really know.