[08:29] <davmor2> Morning Everybody
[09:58] <nand> moorning!
[09:59] <davmor2> nand: morning dude
[11:03] <davmor2> Anybody about who can confirm a bug on desktop cd's?
[11:05] <persia> davmor2: Which bug, and which CD?
[11:06] <davmor2> Ubuntu 32 bit iso from this morning 20080825.  bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/261073
[11:11] <persia> davmor2: I've started a download, but cdimages.ubuntu.com can't spare that much bandwidth, so it will be a couploe hours.  Perhaps someone else will get to it first.
[11:13] <davmor2> persia: thanks anyway :)
[11:15] <persia> Oh, I will confirm if nobody gets to it: just wanted to provide warning of the time lag involved :)
[11:15] <persia> (and I'd really like that machine to have more bandwidth: I probably have more at home than the server)
[11:16] <davmor2> persia: try using chromium rather than cdimage
[11:17] <davmor2> I got all the iso's updated this morning in under 20 minutes :)
[11:20] <persia> davmor2: No better for me.  My issue is mostly latency: I'm about a second away from those machines.  There's plenty of bandwidth, but the nature of the TCP ACK window causes me pain.
[11:21] <davmor2> :(
[11:21] <persia> Hmm.  Actually, about a second from chromium, and only about 700ms from cdimage.  Anyway, further away than any part of the internet ought be.
[11:21] <persia> (and I don't understand why, as I'm 10ms from the national hub, which is supposed to be <300ms from anywhere: there's something specifically odd about routing to that datacentre)
[11:24] <jpds> persia: "mtr cdimage.ubuntu.com" give any useful info?
[11:32] <persia> It tells me that despite the statement earlier, chromium is cdimage :)
[11:32] <persia> It also tells me that I need to get a new router, as my own router seems to be adding latency.
[11:34] <jpds> I wonder why beryllium is cdimage here then: http://paste.ubuntu.com/40399/
[11:34] <persia> Other than that, it I've got huge variance.  Most of the pain seems to be that I'm going Tokyo-Osaka-Seattle-New York-London, rather than Tokyo-Kobe-HeathRow-London, but I remember there being problems with some of the Europe-Asia links this spring and nobody wanting to draw more given events in the region, so perhaps I oughtn't be surprised.
[11:35] <persia> load balacing through round-robin DNS maybe?
[11:38] <jpds> Possibly.
[15:36] <persia> Davmor2: My apologies: I became significantly distracted.  I can't reproduce that bug with teh image from the 22nd at all.
[15:59] <ara> ping cr3
[16:00] <cr3> ara: pong
[16:00] <ara> cr3: hey, have you had the opportunity to read my latest emails?
[16:00] <cr3> ara: nope, been swamped
[16:00] <cr3> ara: I need to send one more email and I could have a few minutes
[16:01] <ara> cr3: ok, no prob
[16:01] <ara> take your time
[18:03] <stgraber> cr3: hey, just saw your mail. What about python ? still using 2.4 ?
[18:21] <perex> hello
[18:21] <cr3> stgraber: yep, because Zope3 is still working on moving to 2.5
[18:21] <cr3> stgraber: I'll keep in close contact with the Zope3 folks so that we can move to 2.5 from the trunk when it's ready
[18:22] <cr3> stgraber: that's one of the many advantages of having our own Zope3 tree from which we can merge with the trunk when we want
[19:58] <EagleSn> amsn installed from ubuntu packages cannot change skin


[10:56] <wallyworld> fwereade: hey, you get your electricity issues sorted?
[13:50] <mup> Bug #1482876 opened: Deployment times out but all agents are started <oil> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1482876>
[14:46] <fwereade> wallyworld, if you're on -- yes, I think so
[14:46] <fwereade> wallyworld, there is a suspicious a/c unit that is now disconnected and everything else has been happy for a goood 24h or so now


[02:10] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce-announce:: ANNOUNCE: libxfce4ui 4.17.3 released<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:17] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: Apply translations in pt_BR @ https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/fccfda945343d14a9f0fd51ba95ee826be029886 (by transifex-integration)
[22:59] <jz3n> where can I get documentation on re-configuring Ubiquity- specifically, I'd like to modify/view package selections 'minimal' and 'standard'
[23:00] <jz3n> ...on 22.04 release


[05:03] <alkisg> "[stgraber] Get some progress information into the langpack installer: TODO" ==> I thought supporting ssvnc fixed that part... what else remains?
[05:03] <alkisg> Err sorry wrong copy/paste, here's the correct one:
[05:03] <alkisg> [stgraber] nag alkis about epoptes that doesn't run on ARM: TODO
[05:05] <alkisg> [alkisg] tablet/utouch integration for epoptes: TODO  ==> would need to boot ubuntu on zatab for that, or a nexus tablet... :(
[07:25] <stgraber> alkisg: I need to check the whole vnc situation again, I vaguely remember ssvnc not being the best solution as it's currently pulling java and some other crap we'd rather not have on the tablet
[07:30] <alkisg> stgraber: does the workaround I mentioned last in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/+bug/1072711 sound ok to commit?
[07:30] <highvoltage> stgraber: did you have a chance to take that pic?
[07:48] <stgraber> highvoltage: yep
[07:50] <stgraber> alkisg: hackish but not a big deal on LTSP as nothing's persistent, so probably a reasonable temporary solution
[07:50] <alkisg> stgraber: Will do, if you have someone you can ping about solving the nouveau bug please do so
[07:51] <alkisg> stgraber: what does LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT actually do?
[07:51] <alkisg> For remote clients, isn't software rendering always used?
[07:52] <stgraber> nope, with that variable set, hardware rendering will be used for any software that's able to use indirect rendering
[07:52] <alkisg> Even over the network? Sounds cool, although I've never seen it actually work...
[07:53] <alkisg> (trying with glxgears for example)
[07:53] <stgraber> yep, even over the network
[07:53] <stgraber> I last tried by playing openarena over the network on my netbook and it worked fine, was getting 30-40FPS
[07:55] <stgraber> highvoltage: http://www.stgraber.org/download/DSC05065.JPG
[08:04] <highvoltage> merci
[09:18] <highvoltage> stgraber: I complaied about the amazon stuff at the "Discussing PS-related product processes" session
[09:19] <highvoltage> stgraber: feedback was quite ok, rickspencer3 said he'll do his best that something like that doesn't happen again
[11:04] <stgraber> highvoltage: good
[17:23] <highvoltage> stgraber: I added skaet to the edubuntu-website team, she's going to help us do interviews, documentation, etc
[18:01] <vmlintu> how are things in the uds world?
[20:50] <esmeralda> Hello
[20:50] <esmeralda> I install edubuntu through Wubi on Windows 8
[20:50] <esmeralda> It installed successfully
[20:50] <esmeralda> But I couldn't connect to internet through ethernet, only wifi?


[00:23] <mike1> STILL having the problem with proxy.   changed/corrected order of NICs in firewall
[00:30] <Iceman_B> how do I restart samba?
[00:32] <KE1HA> sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[00:32] <KE1HA> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/index.html
[00:33] <Iceman_B> thanks
[00:33] <Iceman_B> it seems like 10.04 is full of surprises
[00:34] <Iceman_B> I cant access my files on the samba share in Windows, but I can see them
[00:34] <Iceman_B> sudo: /etc/init.d/samba: command not found
[00:36] <KE1HA> Im not at my server, but seems I recall that changing.
[00:36] <KE1HA> that's why i pulled it off the Wiki, guess it needs some work :-)
[00:37] <KE1HA> try sudo restart samba
[00:37] <Iceman_B> thanks
[00:37] <Iceman_B> lets see
[00:38] <KE1HA> then do a sudo testparm
[00:38] <Iceman_B> restart: Unknown job: samba
[00:38] <KE1HA> you sure it's installed ?
[00:38] <KE1HA> Oh, sri, my bad.
[00:38] <KE1HA> sudo restart smbd
[00:38] <Iceman_B> im sure its installed :)
[00:39] <Iceman_B> smbd start/running, process 2860
[00:39] <Iceman_B> is that the correct return?
[00:39] <KE1HA> now do sudo testparm
[00:40] <KE1HA> I just upgrade my server from 8.04, lots changed ;-)
[00:41] <Iceman_B> KE1HA: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/aifXSwzN
[00:41] <Iceman_B> still, access denied
[00:42] <KE1HA> let me get my share off conf, will patebin it, you need to change the path and username though.
[00:45] <KE1HA> Iceman_B, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/476668/
[00:49] <Iceman_B> whoa
[00:49] <Iceman_B> that's a whole slew of new options
[00:49] <Iceman_B> lemem try that
[00:51] <Iceman_B> testparm does not display invalid OR default settings, right ?
[00:51] <KE1HA> If it fails it will tell you that.
[00:52] <Iceman_B> okay
[00:52] <KE1HA> f testparm runs correctly, it will list the loaded services. If not, it will give an error message. Make sure it runs correctly and that the services look reasonable before proceeding
[00:53] <Thund3rX> Hi all, what version of Eucalyptus comes in bundled with Ubuntu Server Edition?
[00:54] <Iceman_B> KE1HA: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/476673/
[00:54] <Iceman_B> no errors were thrown
[00:54] <Iceman_B> but can you explain that discrepancy
[00:54] <Iceman_B> ?
[00:56] <KE1HA> which line do you think is not right ?
[00:58] <Iceman_B> hm>? is that a question or a quiz?
[00:58] <Iceman_B> because I dont think the lines are wrong :)
[00:58] <KE1HA> There ya go, ok, does it work ?
[00:58] <Iceman_B> Im just wondering why some of the lines vanish in the testparm
[00:58] <Iceman_B> lemme see if it works
[00:59] <Iceman_B> nope, still access denied
[00:59] <KE1HA> I dont know, Im not an expert on testparm, but know if I get errors using it, I need to fix them.
[00:59] <KE1HA> have you added a user to samba ?
[01:00] <KE1HA> as in, dod you do somethign like this at one point: smbpasswd -a [user_name]
[01:00] <KE1HA> opps as in, did you do somethign .. ..
[01:03] <Iceman_B> yeah
[01:03] <KE1HA> Man, do i have a big chat-delay or are you checking somethign ?
[01:03] <Iceman_B> ah sorry
[01:03] <KE1HA> So you added a smbpasswd ?
[01:03] <Iceman_B> i was checking the samba.org  page
[01:03] <Iceman_B> yes
[01:04] <Iceman_B> and it happens to match my linux pass
[01:04] <KE1HA> and did you restart samba after you mand the Share changes ?
[01:04] <Iceman_B> yeah
[01:04] <Iceman_B> sudo restart smbd right?
[01:04] <Iceman_B> I can try again though
[01:04] <KE1HA> yes
[01:05] <KE1HA> and just to be sure, you've done all this as sudo, not root yes ?
[01:05] <Iceman_B> all this sudo
[01:06] <Iceman_B> i dont think I can do this as a root
[01:06] <Iceman_B> something about ubuntu missing a root user
[01:06] <Iceman_B> ?
[01:07] <KE1HA> no, you should not do anythign as root in Ubuntu.
[01:07] <KE1HA> How are are you trying to access the shared folder ?
[01:07] <Iceman_B> in windows, I do
[01:08] <Iceman_B> network places > and then the share is listed there
[01:08] <KE1HA> that's good, at least its seeing it. Does WinDoze Ask you for a U/N and P/W ?
[01:08] <Iceman_B> nope, but thats because the Windoze pass is the same
[01:08] <Iceman_B> and the user
[01:09] <Iceman_B> Im assuming here that in the background, samba asks for credentials, and windows supplies whatever im logged in with
[01:09] <Iceman_B> and they match
[01:09] <Iceman_B> im beginnin to suspect another thing here
[01:10] <Iceman_B> the files im trying to access, were created on another ubuntu system
[01:10] <KE1HA> No, it dont work that wau.
[01:10] <KE1HA> way*
[01:10] <KE1HA> your linux box, the first time you acess the sahe should ask you for the info.
[01:11] <KE1HA> There's another way to do this with the conf file, but I dont use it too often.
[01:11] <Iceman_B> I think I found the problem
[01:11] <Iceman_B> its the files themselves
[01:11] <Iceman_B> they are being pwned by root
[01:11] <Iceman_B> instead of my user
[01:11] <Iceman_B> they all reside on a different hdd, which is mounted on a dir in my ~/
[01:12] <Iceman_B> so that would explain it
[01:12] <Iceman_B> I wonder if I can chown the entire drive recurseivly
[01:12] <KE1HA> Back to the .conf file then ## comment out the previous Share setings then try this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/476677/
[01:12] <Iceman_B> without breaking the automount
[01:12] <KE1HA> and sudo srestart samba again
[01:13] <KE1HA> The access it though IE with \\IP-Address\Share_Folder
[01:14] <Iceman_B> before I do that, I want to try the ownership thing first
[01:14] <KE1HA> SRI, \\IP_Address\username
[01:14] <Iceman_B> because if I create a file from windows, ON the share, I can access it fine
[01:14] <KE1HA> Ownership of the share ?
[01:14] <Iceman_B> no
[01:14] <Iceman_B> of all the files in the share
[01:14] <Iceman_B> I made a kinda complicated setup I guess
[01:14] <KE1HA> that's a diffrent problem, if you can create a File on the Share, then Samba is working.
[01:15] <Iceman_B> yeh
[01:15] <KE1HA> Then cd to the Share and chown -R ./*
[01:15] <KE1HA> chown -R username ./*
[01:16] <KE1HA> that's will change the owner, if you want group too: chown -R username:username ./*
[01:16] <Iceman_B> thanks
[01:17] <Iceman_B> its running now
[01:17] <KE1HA> but first, in the dir share directory, do a la -al and look at the owner and group
[01:17] <Iceman_B> that said root root
[01:17] <Iceman_B> uid 0
[01:17] <KE1HA> cool, you didn't say you could create files, but not access the old ones.
[01:17] <Iceman_B> yeah, I didnt know what info to provide
[01:17] <Iceman_B> or what is critical
[01:18] <KE1HA> that's why, root owned them, not you the user.
[01:18] <KE1HA> Samba is just the go-between .. like the tunnel.
[01:18] <KE1HA> Anyway, Im glad it's workign.
[01:19] <KE1HA> Only took me an hour to help you get it fixed :-)
[01:19] <KE1HA> I really need to work-over this 10.04, it's allot difffrent than 8.04 was
[01:19] <Iceman_B> ack
[01:19] <Iceman_B> almost there
[01:19] <Iceman_B> all the owner:group are now correct
[01:20] <Iceman_B> but when I want to open a file, say a pdf
[01:20] <Iceman_B> do I need my own permission set to 6 or 7 ?
[01:20] <KE1HA> now from windows, dor a refresh on the directory
[01:20] <KE1HA> well, no dee to 777 I'd do 750 if it's only you accessing them anyway.
[01:21] <KE1HA> no need for 777 .. .. ..
[01:21] <KE1HA> You could tightening them up real tight, but on you own boxes, probably not needed but it's up to you.
[01:23] <Iceman_B> so whats the syntax
[01:23] <Iceman_B> man pages are usually cryptic
[01:23] <Iceman_B> chown u+ 0700 ?
[01:23] <KE1HA> syntax for what ?
[01:24] <KE1HA> chmod [000] [filename]
[01:24] <KE1HA> Once you own the files your just changing the permissions.
[01:25] <KE1HA> if yo want to do a whole directory of files, or anything below a certain directory level, just do
[01:25] <KE1HA> chmod -R ./*   but besure your in the directory where you want to change the file permissions and the -R is recursive.
[01:25] <Iceman_B> thats fine
[01:26] <KE1HA> you need the permission in there of course, like: chmod -R 750 ./*  would change every file * directory below where your at.
[01:30]  * Iceman_B sighs, still nothing
[01:31] <Iceman_B> so all the files on the share are owned by my own user:group
[01:31] <Iceman_B> permissions on all the files and dirs are set to rwx------
[01:31] <Iceman_B> and still access denied on all those files
[01:33] <KE1HA> Iceman_B, but you can go from windows to the share directory and create files or from the Ubuntu machine and put new files there and Windows can acess it ?
[01:34] <Iceman_B> yup
[01:34] <Iceman_B> I can see the share in windows, create file in windows, open THOSE files in windows
[01:34] <KE1HA> Only thing I can think to try is use sudo to change the user:group and then file permission, and see where that takes you.
[01:34] <Iceman_B> and write to them
[01:35] <KE1HA> as in: sudo chown -R username:username ./*  then do sudo chmod -R 700 ./*
[01:38] <Iceman_B> I just rebooted my server
[01:38] <Iceman_B> all the colors from bash are gone now too :?
[01:38] <Iceman_B> but first this samba issue
[01:38] <Iceman_B> i'll try your suggestion, sec
[01:39] <Iceman_B> chown is running now
[01:41] <KE1HA> must be allot of files :-) Music Archive ?
[01:42] <Iceman_B> and anime =)
[01:42] <KE1HA> :-)
[01:42] <Iceman_B> samba should have no problems when im in windows and I access file, that in linux is a symlink, which points to the actual file
[01:42] <Iceman_B> right?
[01:43] <Iceman_B> assuming im the owner of all, and I have rwx permissions on it
[01:43] <KE1HA> Links are short cuts
[01:43] <KE1HA> what's the permissions on the files? are they in a diffrent place ?
[01:45] <Iceman_B> well, physically they are on a different drive, but that is mounted in ~/rin
[01:45] <Iceman_B> and I just changed all the permission on those files to 0700
[01:46] <KE1HA> and you ls all of them ?
[01:46] <Iceman_B> ls ?
[01:46] <Iceman_B> how do you mean
[01:46] <KE1HA> How did you create the links ?
[01:47] <Iceman_B> good question, lemme think
[01:49] <Iceman_B> I have a dir ~/share, I cd to that, and then I do ln -s ~/rin/..../file.pdf file.pdf
[01:50] <Iceman_B> and still the same error, access denied
[01:50] <KE1HA> and you created those with the other system ?
[01:51] <KE1HA> On the Ubuntu box, move on of the real files to the shared directory and see if windows and open it
[01:52] <KE1HA> Move a file, not the link
[01:52] <Iceman_B> all those fiels were created on another system, yeah
[01:52] <Iceman_B> I can access them from within ubuntu fine though
[01:52] <Iceman_B> but I'll try
[01:53] <KE1HA> move one of the actual files, using the Ubuntu server, and see if you can read it from windows.
[01:53] <KE1HA> but dont creat a Ln -s for that file.
[01:53] <KE1HA> try to acess the actual moved file.
[01:56] <Iceman_B> that seems to work
[01:56] <Iceman_B> I can access the files fine
[01:56] <Iceman_B> so I guess the problem is in a symlink ?
[01:57] <KE1HA> Kill all those links, move the files, move them back ad re-do your links.
[01:57] <KE1HA> or, directly acess the file,s which is best.
[01:57] <Iceman_B> I cant move the files
[01:57] <Iceman_B> not enough space on my disk
[01:57] <KE1HA> You just did.
[01:57] <Iceman_B> yeah, one
[01:57] <Iceman_B> I cant move em all
[01:58] <KE1HA> well, try deleting a link and re-creating it, but I think it's the source (re file) giving you the trouble.
[01:58] <KE1HA> oop (real file )
[01:58] <Iceman_B> okay
[01:58] <Iceman_B> lemem try that
[02:01] <Iceman_B> yeah seems to work now
[02:01] <KE1HA> Well done :-)
[02:02] <Iceman_B> thanks a million
[02:02] <KE1HA> links are a pain in the back side, especially hard links.
[02:02] <Iceman_B> but...what did really change?
[02:02] <Iceman_B> I never use hard links
[02:02] <KE1HA> No problem, glad ya got it sorted.
[02:05] <Iceman_B> so can you explain whats different now?
[02:05] <Iceman_B> because I had a samba share with symlinks in it which were giving me a hard time, now i have the same share with the same symlinks
[02:05] <Iceman_B> but it works
[02:06] <KE1HA> Not exactly sure, but I think it was a uid issue from the root ownership, but Im not 100%.
[02:06] <Iceman_B> yeah you would think that...
[02:06] <Iceman_B> ut im not so sure
[02:07] <Iceman_B> I mean, what really defines the uniqueness of a UID ?
[02:07] <Iceman_B> the number?
[02:07] <KE1HA> I think the uid issue was on the actual file, not the link, but I'd have to go dig on that one.
[02:08] <KE1HA> That's why Linux / Unix is as secure as it is. Sure there's holes, but nothing like on WinDoze
[02:08] <KE1HA> If that was a WinDoze box, you wouldnt' ahve been here askign quesitons.
[02:08] <Iceman_B> perhaps
[02:09] <KE1HA> file / directory permission in WinDoze is horrible.
[02:09] <Iceman_B> but lets not turn this into a Windoez hating thing :)
[02:09] <KE1HA> I dont "hate Windows .. I still have one WinDoze box, just in case, but dont use it much.
[02:10] <KE1HA> But I certainly begrudge "paying for huge security risks" and viruses.
[02:11] <KE1HA> In fact, your problem there wasn't a WinDoze issue, was a Linux security feature :-0
[02:13] <Iceman_B> yeah, that seemed to be the case
[02:14] <KE1HA> anyways, Im headed back to the standard UB channel catch ya later, glad its all sorted.
[02:14] <Iceman_B> cool, thanks!
[02:34] <Iceman_B> KE1HA: seems I was a bit premature, only the file I moved back and forth seemed to work with a symlink, I was still unable to access dirs, which were symlinked into the SMB share
[02:34] <Iceman_B> from windows of course, in Linux I can access fine
[02:34] <Iceman_B> I'll throw this on the forum during daytime, off to bed now :)
[02:34] <Iceman_B> thanks again though
[02:38] <Patrickdk> Iceman_B, over smb?
[02:39] <Patrickdk> ya, samba attempts to not allow that, unless you enable wide symlinks
[02:39] <Patrickdk> and in order to enable that, you have to disable unix extentions or something, that ubuntu uses by default
[03:13] <chai_> ok so my home server will let me ssh to it and also will let me read files via sftp. but not write permissions. how can i change permissions? i have sudo
[03:16] <reggi> hello?
[03:16] <reggi> anyone here?
[03:16]  * ball nods
[03:16] <reggi> cool
[03:17] <ball> Last night, as an experiment, I installed Ubuntu Server onto a software RAID array.  I was pleasantly surprised when it booted and appeared to run quite well.
[03:19] <reggi> i have a really basic question. I'm trying to setup my laptop as a gateway and dhcp server to share my vodafone 3G internet connection. I have followed the instructions on this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing and also installed firestarter and used these instructions http://www.howtoforge.com/dhcp_server_linux_debian_sarge (using dhcpd3). I now have conflicting dhcp settings and cannot get it to work. How can I remove
[03:19] <reggi> any dhcp configs and start again? thanks.
[03:23] <ball> reggi: So you want it to be a dhcp server on its Ethernet port and dhcp client (ppp client?) on its mobile broadband interface?
[03:24] <reggi> yes that is correct ball.
[03:24] <ball> ...and then something to route between those two ports.
[03:24] <ball> (to perform NAS, I suppose)
[03:25] <reggi> yep. i've tried 3 different methods to achieve this
[03:25] <reggi> but there is a conflict with 2 different dhcp settings
[03:25]  * ball has no idea how this stuff works on Linux
[03:26] <reggi> when I run tail -n 100 /var/log/syslog i get this output http://paste.ubuntu.com/476702/
[03:26] <zash> dhcpd should only listen on the eth* port, which should then not be configured with a dhcpclient
[03:27] <reggi> oh hang on a sec
[03:27] <ball> zash: Is that achieved by editing a flat text file or two?
[03:27] <reggi> i'm getting the terminology confused (i'm used to the windows method of ICS) basically here is the diagram.
[03:28] <reggi>  internet - <ppp> - <eth0> DHCP + gateway
[03:28] <zash> ball: /etc/network/interfaces
[03:29] <reggi> there are only two lines in that interfaces file, auto lo and iface lo inet loopback
[03:30] <zash> reggi: this was a laptop you say
[03:30] <ball> OH!  I just thought of another question that occurred to me.  Do the individual drives of a (software) RAID array have some sort of identifier on them, so that they can move around between busses and/or ports and still work?
[03:30] <reggi> yep its a laptop zash.
[03:30] <zash> reggi: do you have network-manager installed
[03:30] <zash> cause it allows you to do this with a couple of click iirc
[03:31] <reggi> zash, what is a networkmanager? i may already have it and not know it.
[03:31] <reggi> I have NetworkManager Applet 0.8
[03:31] <zash> reggi: the service that is installed by default in normal ubuntu desktops
[03:32] <zash> reggi: yes, that's a inerface to nm
[03:32] <reggi> ahah
[03:32] <zash> reggi: IPv4 settings → method = shared to other computers
[03:32] <zash> I think that enables a DHCP server
[03:32] <zash> and stuff
[03:32] <zash> and magic!
[03:33] <reggi> zash, it's not that easy for me, i'm trying to share the mobile broadband which does not have a simple box to tick to 'shared to other computers'.
[03:34] <reggi> I can see the 'shared to other computers' box for the eth0 though.
[03:34] <zash> reggi: you set that on the eth0
[03:34] <zash> reggi: and leave the 3g as it is
[03:34] <reggi> oh...hmm really? ok i'll try that.
[03:35] <zash> reggi: I'm not completly sure, but I thinkt it should work
[03:35] <zash> I've shared 3g to wifi somehow
[03:36] <reggi> hmm ok zash, i've given the eth0 a static ip of 192
[03:36] <reggi> 168.0.1...
[03:37] <reggi> i can't believe it's so hard to ICS in ubuntu
[03:38] <reggi> in xp and vista you can do it in 3 clicks
[03:38] <reggi> :/
[03:48] <clusty> reggi: i can't believe you just compared ubuntu to windows
[03:49] <reggi> lol
[03:49] <clusty> either way this is the wrong spot to ask such questions cause ppl here usually don't even use GUIs
[03:50] <clusty> in ubuntu is 3-4 commands
[03:50] <clusty> 1 dhcp server - not mandatory
[03:50] <clusty> 1 masquarading firewall rule
[03:50] <reggi> i'm just frustrated i suppose, steep learning curve, head hurts. I'm forcing myself to learn linux - i've basically gone cold turkey and installed linux on all my machines.
[03:52] <zash> reggi: I hope you are aware of that this is #ubuntu-server
[03:52] <reggi> clusty: i've been given 3 different ways to ICS, 1. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing, 2. http://www.howtoforge.com/dhcp_server_linux_debian_sarge 3. firestarter. I've asked these questions in the #ubuntu channel and they asked me to post here because it is related to dhcp "server".
[03:53] <reggi> hmm.
[03:53] <clusty> reggi: you don't have to have a dhcp server
[03:53] <clusty> then you punch in all ips/gateways by hand
[03:53] <reggi> oh really?
[03:54] <clusty> dhcp is a service that gives ips to everybody
[03:54] <clusty> and helps them configure their routes i guess also
[03:54] <reggi> yeah that is what I want to do. I really want to get away from all this gui stuff and do things in terminal
[04:26] <qman__> reggi, note that "ICS"/"Internet Connection Sharing" is a windows-specific term, everybody else refers to it as NAT, NAT overloading, or the iptables-specific "IP Masquerading"
[04:26] <qman__> what you're really doing is configuring your server to be a router
[04:27] <qman__> the reason it's a little bit more complicated is because there's a whole lot more things it can do
[04:27] <reggi> ah i see. well that is reassuring qman__
[04:28] <qman__> a basic setup like you probably want is still fairly straightforward, and with the right guide, shouldn't take more than an afternoon to set up, even your first time
[04:29] <reggi> qman, I know that the easy way would be to buy one of those routers with 3G sim card backup but I'm learning a hell of a lot by going down the linux path.
[04:30] <qman__> it's worth the effort
[04:30] <reggi> qman__: what I would like ultimately is to learn how to setup a server that would do everything a windows server would do, ie, domain name controller / ldap, roaming profile, etc
[04:30] <qman__> the tools you learn are the same tools used for pretty much all linux-based routing and networking
[04:31] <qman__> well, a full fledged windows-compatible domain controller is a ways off yet, but expect that with samba 4
[04:31] <reggi> up until a few days ago I was trying to learn by doing google searches and reading up but there is something different when chatting with someone 'live' on irc.
[04:31] <reggi> ahuh
[04:31] <qman__> however, LDAP for a centralized linux authentication system is perfectly doable
[04:32] <qman__> and samba 3 can manage NT-style domains
[04:32] <reggi> one of my business clients is hell bent on getting a windows server to serve about 15 users
[04:32] <reggi> at the moment they have peer to peer network.
[04:32] <reggi> i'm trying to talk them into saving money and going for a linux box.
[04:32] <qman__> he does know that server 2008 starts at a thousand dollars, right?
[04:34] <reggi> but before I can convince them I want to be confident that I can install and support it. luckily I have a couple of old machines lying around that I can install ubuntu server 64bit and play around. I did mention to my client that it would cost a couple of grand for the ms server license and user cals
[04:34] <qman__> well, if you don't need full-on windows domain functionality, just a file server/basic network services, it's not that difficult to do
[04:34] <reggi> yeah I'm halfway there
[04:34] <reggi> the other day I setup my very first freenas box
[04:35] <reggi> its so ... so reliable and easy.
[04:35] <qman__> yeah, none of that rebooting every time it updates
[04:36] <qman__> uses a lot less resources too, you don't need a $5000 server to host some files
[04:37] <reggi> i bet. i've been studying this guide http://www.howtoforge.com/vboxheadless-running-virtual-machines-with-virtualbox-3.1-on-a-headless-ubuntu-9.10-server and I'll test it out either tonight or tomorrow.
[05:19] <MTecknology> In my init script - I have a little thing in there that makes sure nobody accidentally stops something for every user - but that catches when the system shuts down. Is there any way to see if the system is shutting down from inside of the script?
[06:18] <Roxyhart0> hi there, i need to buy a external HDD of 2TB and munt in my server. Somebody know if ubuntu lucid can mount ok a usb HDD (external) od 2TB?
[06:18] <smoser> Roxyhart0, almost certainly.
[06:19] <Roxyhart0> thanks :) hopefully as im going to buy 4 of them
[06:48] <mase_wk> Roxyhart0: yes it's fine
[06:48] <mase_wk> Roxyhart0: with ext4 i think you can go up to an exabyte
[06:49] <Roxyhart0> great ! thanks :)
[07:54] <qman__> ext3 can handle up to 8TB with a 4k block size
[08:54] <kinygos> hi all, when i powered up my development server this morning (ubuntu 10.04), i was greeted with a bunch of messages from /usr/lib/update-notifier....can anyone suggest how i can investigate what has happened?
[08:55] <twb> kinygos: what messages?
[08:55] <mase_wk> kinygos: dmesg or /var/log/messages ?
[08:56] <kinygos> there were 3 pairs, /update-motd-cpu-checker: not found, /update-motd-updates-available: not found, and /update-motd-reboot-required: not found
[08:56] <kinygos> (those paths are from /usr/lib/update-notifier...sorry)
[09:01] <huats> morning
[09:01] <kinygos> ok...dmesg and /var/log/messages show nothing serious, so i don't understand why update-motd would've suddenly broken...has anyone seen anything like this?
[10:42] <Iceman_B> Patrickdk: can you repeat again what you said about wide symlinks? approx 7 hours ago, please?
[10:44] <Jeeves_> 03:38 < Patrickdk> Iceman_B, over smb?
[10:44] <Jeeves_> 03:39 < Patrickdk> ya, samba attempts to not allow that, unless you enable wide symlinks
[10:44] <Jeeves_> 03:39 < Patrickdk> and in order to enable that, you have to disable unix extentions or something, that ubuntu uses by default
[10:45] <Iceman_B> yes that, thanks
[10:45] <Iceman_B> anyone have a clue is accessing hard links DOES work in Samba?
[10:45] <Iceman_B> I mean, on a default ubuntu system
[10:49] <twb> I believe samba supports hard links
[10:51] <twb> It should be easy to check
[10:54] <Iceman_B> twb: I get : Invalid cross-device link
[10:54] <twb> Hum
[10:55] <twb> Check with #samba, I guess.  I don't know any more.
[10:58] <Iceman_B> okay
[10:58] <Jeeves_> Ehm
[10:58] <Jeeves_> hardlinks need to be in the same filesystem
[10:58] <Iceman_B> Jeeves_: I didnt know that, still kinda new here
[10:59] <Iceman_B> the files im trying to link to were created on another ubuntu system, and are physically on another drive, which is mounted in ~/mountdir/
[11:00] <derknecht> i installed ubuntu 10.04 on a sata hotplug pc in ahci mode. i have no expirence with sata hotplug and try to trigger some scripts when a harddisc is added/removed. Can someone give me a hint please? I have found no wiki or howto covering this topic. Thanks
[11:00] <Jeeves_> Iceman_B: Than you should create symlinks
[11:00] <Jeeves_> ln -s
[11:00] <Iceman_B> already spent 3 hours trying that last night, that doesnt work by default
[11:00] <Jeeves_> Those can be cross-filesystem
[11:00] <Iceman_B> hence my first question
[11:01] <Iceman_B> I mean, it doesnt with by default in samba, running on Ubuntu
[11:01] <Jeeves_> Iceman_B: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=352016
[11:03] <Iceman_B> thanks, I'll look into that
[11:06] <sergevn> does anyone has Darwin Calendar server working on lucid? :)
[11:16] <Iceman_B> speaking of links, how do I remove all symlinks from a dir and leave all other files intact?
[11:20] <Jeeves_> Iceman_B: find . -type l --delete (or something like that)
[11:20] <Jeeves_> Iceman_B: 'man find' is your best option :)
[11:34] <derknecht> how can i realise sata hotplug with hardware supporting it and mode set to ahci please? via scsiadd? hotplug-utils? which way to go?
[11:41] <jetole> I feel stupid for having to ask this, but where is the domain name for a system stored?
[11:42] <alvin> jetole: in /etc/hosts
[11:43] <alvin> There is also a 'domainname' command to read/set a domainname
[11:49] <jetole> alvin: yeah I tried adding it to /etc/hosts because I thought thats where it should be. There was the line "<IP_ADDRESS> firewall" which I changed to "<IP_ADDRESS> firewall firewall.office" and then ran hostname --fqdn and it still just said firewall
[11:50] <jetole> got it
[11:50] <jetole> had to do hostname.domainname then hostname in /etc/hosts
[11:50] <jetole> thanks for the help alvin
[11:50] <jetole> Also, does anyone know how to install the sun jre on server 10.04
[11:51] <alvin> jetole: Yes, but you can leave the <IP_ADDRESS> and add another line with those values (hostname.domainname) and the real IP of the server.
[11:51] <alvin> jetole: I haven't done it, but I hear it's in the partner repositories
[11:52] <jetole> alvin: yeah I compared it to another server which was displaying the domain name in host --fqdn and it was "<IP_ADDRESS> hostname.domain hostname" once I switched them to that order in /etc/hosts then hostname --fqdn showed the domain name
[11:52]  * jetole looks at /etc/apt/sources.conf
[11:52]  * jetole looks at /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:53] <jetole> yep. I enabled the partners repo, did an apt-get update and now it's installing sun-java6-jre where before it told me that it's only referenced by other packages
[11:53] <jetole> thanks again alvin
[11:53] <alvin> np
[12:37] <ttx> Daviey: what the status on Eucalyptus ?
[12:38] <Daviey> ttx: Well the topology issue is looking good...
[12:38] <Daviey> ttx: The Volume issue, is better than it was - creating them now works.. There *may* be an issue attaching them
[12:39] <ttx> Daviey: ok
[12:39] <Daviey> Did one more upload after you went last night.. am preparing another, but want to sync with euca to see if they are planning anything new today
[12:56] <jahil> hi everyone
[12:56] <jahil> how to capture sound youtube audio with snd-dummy interface
[13:34] <hallyn> ttx: current papercuts are supposed to be chosen from https://launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+milestone/maverick-beta  right?
[13:36] <hallyn> ttx: I notice for instance that the pgadmin3 one "seems" owned by SpamapS, and ssl passphrase one is owned (for apache2) by zul.
[13:36] <hallyn> So I'm not clear on whether to take those or not
[13:38] <_bt> hey who kick me from #ubuntu-virt
[13:38] <ttx> hallyn: looking
[13:39] <ttx> hallyn: that's the right list -- maybe coordinate with them and see if they want those bugs or if you can take them ?
[13:40] <hallyn> ttx: ok, thanks
[13:40] <hallyn> SpamapS: you already own 2 papercuts, would you want help with bug 610975, or do you want to take that one too?
[13:41] <hallyn> zul: bug 582963, I assume you'd like to be assigned that one for the papercuts target (since you own it for apache2)?
[13:41] <zul> hallyn: sure
[13:42] <zul> that might not exactly be a papercut though
[13:52] <robertpayne> hello all
[13:54] <rapha> Hi guys
[13:55] <rapha> Is there a way to change user and/or group ownership by default? kind of like uname?
[14:02] <SpamapS> hallyn: 610975 is a noop rebuild...
[14:04] <SpamapS> hallyn: so the only thing needed for it is to wait to see what wxwidgets2.8's fate is
[14:04] <hggdh> mornings
[14:05] <SpamapS> hallyn: so the only "fix" is to just bump the version and re-upload.
[14:07] <ttx> smoser: what should we do about "ubuntu-on-ec2" on LP ? People continue to file bugs against it, but they are kinda lost: bug 608958
[14:08] <smoser> hm..
[14:09] <smoser> i dont know. there is only the one bug.
[14:15] <ttx> smoser: should we just remove the project, or leave it as a placeholder that redirects to Ubuntu ?
[14:15] <smoser> i'd be in favor of the placeholder
[14:15] <smoser> i have code there
[14:15] <smoser> (which obviously could be moved also, but the "automated-ec2-builds" and "ec2-publishing-scripts" seem reasonably well to fit under such a project)
[14:16] <alvin> rapha: in what application?
[14:16] <ttx> hm, we could also disable bugs for that project.
[14:19] <smoser> can i do that for all my projects ?
[14:19] <smoser> :)
[14:19] <rapha> alvin: well, bash
[14:19] <smoser> where do i put the "disable bugs" setting for my OS ?
[14:23] <alvin> You can force the group for a directory by using chmod g+s <dirname>
[14:34] <rapha> alvin: according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Setuid, that is ignored under linux
[14:35] <zash> rapha: I'm quite sure it's not
[14:35] <zash> read under setuid and setgid on directories
[14:36] <alvin> rapha: yes, it's setUid that is ignored, not setGid.
[14:37] <zash> alvin: setuid on dirs?
[14:38] <zash> ah
[14:38] <hggdh> Daviey: good morning, and any news from euca?
[14:38] <alvin> No, I was referring to the article. My first thought was "Wikipedia is wrong", but it's not. All is well again. setgid works as it always did.
[14:39] <rapha> ah okay
[14:42] <Daviey> hggdh: none yet :(
[14:42] <hggdh> ah well
[14:43] <Daviey> ... and there telephones seem busted.
[14:44] <Daviey> Hmm.. it is 6:44am.. so i doubt i'd get anyone anyway :)
[14:45] <soren> jdstrand: Any plans on a libvirt update for Maverick?
[14:45] <jdstrand> jeez
[14:45] <jdstrand> no offense but 3 people have asked about it :)
[14:45] <jdstrand> I am doing it as we speak :)
[14:46] <soren> Whoo!
[14:46]  * soren hugs jdstrand
[14:46]  * jdstrand hugs soren back
[14:46] <soren> 0.8.3?
[14:46] <jdstrand> yes
[14:46] <soren> Wicked.
[14:46] <soren> I have a couple of extra patches for it, but I'll just roll a new upload once you're done.
[14:47] <jdstrand> I hope to have it uploaded today
[14:47] <jdstrand> I have a preliminary package and am testing it, but as usually goes with libvirt, that is about 8 hours of work ;)
[14:47] <jdstrand> s/8/8 more/
[14:47] <Daviey> jdstrand: FWIW we haven't colluded to pounce on you.. We've all wondered for different reasons :)
[14:48] <soren> *wink*
[14:48] <jdstrand> heh
[14:48]  * Daviey *winks* back at soren
[14:48] <soren> Daviey: He'll never know.
[14:48] <Daviey>  /msg zul Remember your turn to ask jdstrand next, as we discussed :).
[14:48] <Daviey> *oops* :P
[14:48] <soren> *chuckle*
[14:50] <zul> how did i get dragged into this? :)
[14:50] <Jinxed-> anyone know how to install the mjpg_streamer command for ubuntu 10.04
[14:50] <jdstrand> ok, I updated the bp, so now I'll just respong with "consult the bp"
[14:51] <jdstrand> *respond*
[15:05] <shauno> does JeOS still exist?  I can only find images for Hardy
[15:07] <ttx> zul: you always get dragged in crappy plans.
[15:26] <YankDownUnder> Anyone using conky or similar for a console monitor?
[15:34] <Kaelten> Does anyone have a fully functioning preseed or kickstart files they'd be willing to share?
[15:36] <zul> Kaelten: the iso teting iso.qa.ubuntu.com uses one. you might want to check there
[15:39] <Kaelten> zul: I don't see a link to either types of configs
[15:45] <YankDownUnder> Kaelten, What is it exactly that you're wanting to do, mate?
[15:45] <Kaelten> YankDownUnder: I have 20-30 servers to deploy, so I'm wanting to automate things a bit
[15:45] <YankDownUnder> Kaelten, Roger that - gotcha mate.
[15:46] <Kaelten> I have a simple working pxe netinstall up, but I still have to answer a bunch of questions.  I'd love it if I could just have it ask me for hostname and ip address to setup on and auto on the rest
[15:47] <YankDownUnder> Kaelten, Does this help in the least: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/installation-guide/powerpc/automatic-install.html
[15:47] <Kaelten> it  may fill in some of the blanks
[15:48] <YankDownUnder> I always like to refer to some of the older dox cuz some of the newer ones, well, have blanks. Coolbeans.
[15:49] <YankDownUnder> Kaelten, Just as a side note: http://studio.debian.net/ => a new way to spin yer own - the Debian way - so it ain't SuSE
[15:50] <Kaelten> just found this too (http://searchsystemschannel.techtarget.com/generic/0,295582,sid99_gci1377934,00.html) which looks to be filling in some of the other blanks
[15:50] <Kaelten> neat site
[15:51] <YankDownUnder> whoa...this I like...this I like...I'll have to read this later, but - cuz it's late, I'm tired, and well, I'm tired. Cheers! Ta for that!
[16:16] <shauno> what's the easiest way to obtain a 'minimal' install?
[16:18] <pmatulis> shauno: the server iso should give you the option
[16:20] <shauno> pmatulis, am I missing something? I only see options for server (750Mb-ish) and UEC
[16:20] <shauno> ah, nm, it's under Modes
[16:20] <pmatulis> shauno: there are some keys down below
[16:54] <joewilliams> asked this a couple days ago in #ubuntu-kernel but didnt get far, i installed linux-crashdump on a couple (10.04) servers but it doesnt seem to be collecting the core and rebooting. i have to manually reboot the machines. i tested it in a vmware image and it worked fine. any ideas?
[18:09] <seicherlbob> hi there! I just intalled the new Lucid server and i need a short crashcourse in network-bridging because i'd like to set up a virtual webserver. So long i only used virtualbox on my desktop. my question: I already have the interface virbr0. Now is this the virtual interface to connect a virtual server to or what is it?
[18:17] <sherr> seicherlbob: Not sure what virbr0 is - I think it might be the KVM private network. You will probably want a new bridge (e.g. br0) and then put eth0 into it.
[18:17] <sherr> My /etc/network/interfaces and "brctl show" output is here : http://pastebin.com/wcHyhMeS
[18:18] <seicherlbob> why is eth0 set to manual?
[18:18] <sherr> The bridge network interface is passed to KVM as br0.
[18:19] <seicherlbob> so br0 is the hosts interface to the guest(s)?
[18:19] <sherr> Not sure - this is the way that worked and what I read works. Life is short - see the man page ...
[18:20] <seicherlbob> grml... i'd like to understand these things. thats the point.
[18:20] <sherr> The guests have real IP addresses as normal machines on our nwtrowk.
[18:20] <sherr> The guests have "eth0" (etc.) inside them, but use the brodge on the host.
[18:20] <seicherlbob> and whats eth0s ip then?
[18:21] <sherr> The guest can use DHCP or static IP - whatever.
[18:22] <sherr> On the host - br0 has the IP address.
[18:22] <sherr> In a guest, eth0 is just a "normal" net device. Set to get IP from DHCP 9say).
[18:23] <sherr> "manual" method : This method may be used to define interfaces for which no configuration is done by default.
[18:24] <seicherlbob> ok, thanks so far. I'll just give it a try. there is nothing to loose for now.
[18:24] <sherr> Good luck. It's not hard (the basic stuff anyway).
[18:28] <seicherlbob> ok, so the host gets the address defined in br0. now when i try to start a kvm with ubuntu-kvm-builder, nothing happens.
[18:36] <ruben23> hi guys i have installed ubntu server and all are working Ethernet card is working but when i update and upgrade
[18:36] <ruben23> my etherenet card disappear- i tried lspci, but no etherenet present.
[18:40] <ruben23> any idea guys..?
[18:43] <patdk-wk> ruben, hardware failure?
[18:43] <ruben23> patdk-wk: but its working with base install not update and upgraade
[18:43] <patdk-wk> e1000e?
[18:44] <giovani> ruben23: you retested it after it stopped showing up with a NEW base install?
[18:44] <giovani> and it worked?
[18:44] <giovani> or you're just presuming that it will work again with a base install
[18:46] <kelt> hi, I noticed that ubuntu server hsa the option of installing for a cloud
[18:47] <kelt> does this "cloud" software enable usage statisics for billing?
[18:50] <smoser> kelt, no. UEC does not have any billing infrastructure at the moment.
[18:52] <kelt> oh, okay... I thought that was the definition of a cloud... lol
[18:52] <kelt> how do you do SaaS then?
[18:53] <kelt> is it a free for all or something?
[18:56] <seicherlbob> ok, i managed to start the installation of a virtual server with kvm and vncviewer ;) - now i dont get DHCP through. any suggestions? I started with the following parameters: -net nic,macaddr=00:16:3e:02:00:01,model=virtio -net tap,ifname=tap02,script=no
[18:56] <kelt> how does this stand up to like vmware or CA products?
[18:59] <ruben23> giovani:im installing based now
[19:01] <kelt> hmm... so this is just ubuntu server with eucalyptus pre-installed and some helper scripts?
[19:02] <smoser> kelt, yes. "just" that.
[19:06] <kelt> smoser: lol... is there a product you can apt-get or install to tie into ubuntu cloud servers for billing?
[19:07] <smoser> no. it can be managed via landscape, but i do not believe that that provides billing (airly sure about that).
[19:07] <smoser> billing is something that is a feature on eucalyptus's road map.
[19:07] <kelt> so landscape keeps up with usage stats?
[19:08] <kelt> does it have soap/rest available for extensability?
[19:09] <smoser> what is "it" ?
[19:09] <kelt> smoser: the cloud
[19:09] <kelt> if I wanted to extract usage from the cloud
[19:09] <kelt> so I can write my own custom billing
[19:10] <hallyn> SpamapS: ok, thx, that was what i'd assumed.
[19:11] <smoser> the cloud provides ec2 api interface
[19:11] <smoser> which does not pvide you with usage information.
[19:12] <kelt> hmm, well we want other departments inside network to be able to checkout resources from a private cloud and charge them accordingly...
[19:13] <smoser> kelt, yeah, i follow what you'd be after, and I think lots of people are interested in that.
[19:15] <kelt> smoser: people aren't just interested... they are *doing* it now :)
[19:15] <kelt> smoser: do you know if the cloud does more than just IP ranges? can you do mac or are you stuck at IP?
[19:16] <smoser> i dont know that i follow what "do mac" would mean.
[19:16] <smoser> but from a interface perspective, all you have is ec2 elastic ips
[19:17] <kelt> smoser: the cloud controls a range of IP addresses
[19:18] <smoser> yes.
[19:19] <kelt> well, I'm disappointed :(
[19:20] <kelt> how long do you think it will be before the billing measures will be present?
[19:21] <smoser> i really don't know the eucalyptus plans for that feature.
[19:21] <smoser> you could certainly ask
[19:22] <smoser> on eucalyptus forums or mailing list
[19:22] <smoser> i'd be interested in seeing a response
[19:22] <smoser> it is also possible that they even offer it as an add on, i'm not sure
[19:30] <ruben23> gys any help setting up an FTP server for my ubuntu..
[19:30] <RoyK> ruben23: vsftpd is quite simple
[19:30] <RoyK> and quite good, it's probably the most used ftp server on the net
[19:31] <ruben23> im using pure-ftp and it did not worked out
[19:31] <ruben23> so ill used vsftpd i gues
[19:32] <RoyK> vsftpd is probably the best for most things
[19:34] <tarvid> Aug 12 08:57:18 helen kernel: [77401.300041] INFO: task kjournald:385 blocked for more than 120 seconds. Aug 12 08:57:18 helen kernel: [77401.300236] INFO: task python:1371 blocked for more than 120 seconds. Aug 12 09:01:17 helen kernel: [77641.300040] INFO: task kjournald:385 blocked for more than 120 seconds. Aug 12 09:01:17 helen kernel: [77641.300233] INFO: task python:1369 blocked for more than 120 seconds. Aug 12 09:01:17 helen kernel: [77641.3
[19:34] <tarvid> 00379] INFO: task python:1371 blocked for more than 120 seconds. Aug 12 09:07:17 helen kernel: [78001.300042] INFO: task kjournald:385 blocked for more than 120 seconds. Aug 12 09:09:20 helen kernel: [78121.300041] INFO: task kjournald:385 blocked for more than 120 seconds. Aug 12 09:11:17 helen kernel: [78241.290035] INFO: task kswapd0:47 blocked for more than 120 seconds. Aug 12 09:11:17 helen kernel: [78241.290309] INFO: task kjournald:385 blocked
[19:34] <tarvid>  for more than 120 seconds. Aug 12 09:11:17 helen kernel: [78241.290469] INFO: task mysqld:1193 blocked for more than 120 seconds.
[19:34] <tarvid> ooops
[19:35] <tarvid> meant to paste just one
[19:35] <tarvid> server was in a bad state when that happens
[19:35] <tarvid> but there are many posts at Google
[19:35] <tarvid> any ideas?
[19:40] <qman__> out of CPU, out of memory, out of disk, or a nasty kernel bug
[19:40] <ebroder> My money's on the second
[19:41] <qman__> mine as well
[19:42] <bogeyd6> Anyone can recommend software to manage several linux san boxes?
[19:43] <tarvid> 4GB memory 10GB swap swappiness = 0
[19:44] <alvin> tarvid: bug 494476
[19:44] <tarvid> apache had default maxclients setting - 150, reduced to 50
[19:44] <alvin> Happens if you use LV snapshots or cause other heavy disk I/O. Server becomes unresponsive, can crash, or you'll not longer be able to log in.
[19:44] <tarvid> installed modevasive
[19:45] <tarvid> alvin - thanks - you're right
[19:45] <alvin> LVM snapshots?
[19:45] <patdk-wk> heh, I can't remember the last time I had that happen to me
[19:45] <patdk-wk> used to happen all the time
[19:45] <tarvid> no vanilla
[19:45] <alvin> I can. two days ago, last week,... happens a lot
[19:45] <patdk-wk> I think my issues was all nfs, and moving from 2.4.x to 2.6.x fixed it all up
[19:45] <tarvid> modsecurity is beating the logs
[19:45] <alvin> Hmm, I'm a heavy NFS user
[19:46] <alvin> yeah, I had rsyslog hang on one occasion. The not logging in part is irritating
[19:46] <alvin> Some users report noop as I/O scheduler to be a solution
[19:48] <tarvid> not using LV . Logging is probably the heaviest IO but am running a bunch of Drupal sites so there are other demands.
[19:50] <tarvid> https://www.bijk.com/p/2199b5ea
[19:50] <tarvid> may provide a little insight
[19:51] <tarvid> Is that a syn flood in the bottom graph?
[19:52] <qman__> looks like
[19:52] <qman__> if it were legitimate, the established connections would grow with it
[19:54] <qman__> might not be malicious, might just be something like a web crawler, and your server turning it down
[19:56] <tarvid> I do block a few in IPTABLES
[19:56] <shsek> Hey, I'm getting "ALERT! /dev/mapper/foobar-root does not exists" error on boot (after messing up some stuff with initramfs-tools), but I can access my filesystem via the rescue mode of the Ubuntu Server CD. I think its because initramfs doesn't load the LVM2 module properly. How do I tell initramfs to load this module?
[19:57] <shsek> I did a stupid mistake and removed initfsram-tools, which caused lots of issues, but most of them are fixed by now. I'm pretty sure the issue right now is LVM not being loaded
[19:58] <qman__> shsek, have you run update-grub since fixing your other problems?
[19:58] <qman__> that'll regenerate your initramfs
[19:58] <alvin> shsek: Are you using a mirror?
[19:59] <shsek> qman__, yes, and I also ran update-initramfs -uv
[19:59] <shsek> alvin, a mirror?
[19:59] <alvin> raid1
[20:00] <shsek> I'm not quite sure. I have a bash chrooted to
[20:00] <shsek> I'm not quite sure. I have a bash chrooted to to my machine from rescure mode, how can I check it?
[20:00] <alvin> cat /proc/mdadm
[20:00] <alvin> If the file does not exis, you're not using mdadm
[20:01] <alvin> If you have one, you should probably know, so that's not the cause of your problem.
[20:03] <shsek> alvin, it doesn't
[20:03] <alvin> shsek: What ubuntu version is that?
[20:03] <shsek> 9.10, the server version
[20:04] <alvin> Ah, ok. I've had mayor troubles with that version. Couldn't find root on several servers.
[20:04] <alvin> It's better in 10.04
[20:04] <alvin> See bug 360378
[20:05] <shsek> my root filesystem is mountable from both the rescue mode and from a live-cd after installing lvm2, running vgchange -ay and mounting /dev/mapper/kelso-root
[20:05] <ewook> alvin: I had the same problem.
[20:05] <ewook> nasty one that.
[20:05] <shsek> but in the BusyBox initramfs is giving me (after failing with "/dev/mapper/kelsor-root does not exists") I don't seem to have "lvm", "lvm2" or "vgchange"
[20:05] <shsek> from what I read, I should have it there
[20:06] <shsek> it was all caused by me being stupied, I removed (via apt-get) initramfs-tools, which deleted a bunch of other stuff
[20:06] <shsek> I reinstalled grub and my kernel since
[20:06] <shsek> well, not me, someone from ##ubuntu helped me with it
[20:07] <shsek> but currently it seems like it all works, other than LVM not loading well for initramfs
[20:07] <alvin> I'v always had that problem on karmic. I just rebooted the servers a few times until the root device was found.
[20:07] <alvin> grub2 has difficulties with lvm
[20:08] <shsek> I've looked around and saw that people can usually use vgscan/vgchange manually from BusyBox, fix what's needed and than run it normally - but I don't seem to have those commands there at all (I do have them from the live cd, and I am able to mount in that way from there)
[20:09] <shsek> hmm, I used to have grub-legacy that was updated (but the one from ##ubuntu that helped me) to grub2
[20:09] <alvin> Those difficulties will be fixes in maverick. Maybe there'll be backports. Booting Ubuntu is a wonderful experience. Blazingly fast, beautiful background, but hit-and-miss. btw, is the lvm2 package installed?
[20:09] <shsek> could reverying to grub-legacy do any good ?
[20:09] <shsek> yes, lvm2 is installed
[20:09] <alvin> shsek: Couldn't hurt to try. I think you have a chance there. It could be grub, or it could be mountall.
[20:10] <shsek> where would I look for logs and more information in cases like those?
[20:10] <qman__> I've been having a rough time with lucid in general, which is why I'm keeping karmic on my desktop
[20:10] <qman__> it runs great and I'm not messing with it
[20:10] <shsek> obviously I won't find it in /var/log/messages or syslog, as the filesystem isn't getting mounted at all
[20:11] <alvin> shsek: Karmic doesn't have logs. Lucid has /var/log/boot.log, but on the whole it's not very usefull. Try removing quiet and splash from /etc/default/grub and run update-grub
[20:12] <alvin> boot logging is on the todo list
[20:12] <shsek> alvin, well, I wouldn't have any logs at all, it can't mount my filesystem, how can it save anything to it?
[20:12] <alvin> Oh, did you try rootdelay?
[20:12] <alvin> shsek: That's only logic :-)
[20:13] <shsek> alvin, I read about it, but before I'm getting that error I'm waiting for quite a long time (5 minutes) before I get the error
[20:13] <shsek> so I assumed it isn't what causing it
[20:13] <shsek> but at this point I'll try anything
[20:14] <shsek> alvin, I should set GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT to an empty string ?
[20:14] <alvin> Did you try rebooting a few times? That used to be my workaround.
[20:14] <alvin> yes, or add rootdelay=50 for example
[20:14] <alvin> then update-grub
[20:14] <shsek> I've rebooted for quite a few time
[20:15] <shsek> hmm, so just add rootdelay and keep quiet and splash?
[20:15] <alvin> How is your root drive listed in /etc/fstab?
[20:15] <qman__> no, remove quiet and splash
[20:15] <alvin> no, remove quiet and splash
[20:15] <shsek> heh
[20:15] <qman__> that's something I do on every server anyway
[20:15] <qman__> it really should not be the defaults
[20:16] <alvin> Agreed
[20:16] <shsek> what does it mean ?
[20:16] <qman__> quiet splash hides all the important messages
[20:16] <alvin> It means: 'hade all scary information from me'
[20:16] <qman__> for a "pretty" but un-troubleshoot-able experience
[20:17] <shsek> alvin, its listed by the UUID, but the comments says it was /dev/mapper/kelso-root during installation
[20:17] <alvin> Change it back to /dev/mapper/kelso-root
[20:18] <shsek> Sorry, I clicked some weird keyboard shortcut that closed the window
[20:18] <alvin> shsek: Might be this bug 563117
[20:18] <shsek> okay, so I removed quiet and splash, added rootdelay=50, ran update-grub and changed it from UUID to /dev/mapper/kelso-root
[20:18] <shsek> should I reboot it now or there's something else I could do/check from rescue mode ?
[20:21] <alvin> reboot and report back. I'm thinking about checking UUID somewhere, but can't find it
[20:21] <shsek> alvin?
[20:21] <shsek> okay
[20:23] <shsek> "ALERT! /dev/mapper/kelso-root does not exists. Dropping to a shell!"
[20:23] <shsek> same as before
[20:25] <shsek> hmm, from what I read around the internet, on that shell initramfs is dropping me into I should be able to use the 'lvm' command, yet, I can't
[20:25] <shsek> doesn't it mean it doesn't get loaded?
[20:26] <cn1109> hello. I'm unable to view my php pages. I have apache2 and php installed and at first I was able to view php pages just fine. Now I'm unable. Tried removing, restarting the server, installing php again. No luck
[20:26] <shsek> cn1109, define "unable to view"?
[20:27] <shsek> you get the source and they aren't processed? you get an error from apache? it doesn't connect to apache? blank pages?
[20:32] <shsek> alvin, hmm, my chanegs doesn't seem to effected grub, in dmesg I see "Command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz.2.6.31-22-server root=/dev/mapper/kelso-root ro quite splash"
[20:32] <shsek> s/quite/quiet
[20:32] <alvin> Hmmm. Did you ran update-grub?
[20:32] <qman__> do you have a separate /boot partition?
[20:32] <alvin> Yes, you did
[20:32] <shsek> qman__, yes, I do
[20:33] <shsek> /dev/sda5
[20:33] <shsek> IIRC
[20:33] <qman__> make sure it's mounted in your chroot when you run update-grub
[20:33] <shsek> okay, I'm rebooting back into rescue mode to do it
[20:33] <alvin> shsek: Also make sure your karmic is up-to-date. There was a bug with separate /boot
[20:34] <shsek> alvin, just apt-get update+upgrade ?
[20:34] <alvin> sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade is what I do
[20:35] <cn1109> shsek: Just a blank page. No errors on the error log for apache
[20:36] <cn1109> cn1109: Removed php5 and installed it again. restarted the server. no luck
[20:36] <shsek> cn1109, can you access static files?
[20:36] <cn1109> shsek: Removed php5 and installed it again. restarted the server. no luck :) Sorry.
[20:36] <cn1109> shsek: Yes I can
[20:36] <shsek> alvin, nothing to upgrade, it just wants to remove libntgs-3g54
[20:38] <shsek> qman__, alvin, okay, I mounted /boot and ran update-grub - it seems okay now, it wrote "Found linux image" and "Found initrd image" which it didn't before
[20:38] <alvin> Well, I'm out of options. You should check if the UUID from $ sudo blkid is the same as the one grub uses, and redo the update-grub if it still lists quiet and splash. Other than that, I'm out of options. I muast say that I never booted Jaunty/Karmic reliably. The situation in Lucid still has bugs, but is a log better
[20:38] <alvin> ah
[20:38] <alvin> reboot :-)
[20:38] <qman__> that would definitely break things
[20:38] <shsek> cn1109, are you sure php files aren't being served without being processed? check the source of your page, it might seems blank but there's acutally PHP code there
[20:39] <qman__> cn1109, also try creating a .php file containing only html, and a .php file with only <?php phpinfo(); ?> in it
[20:39] <cn1109> shsek: Source of the generated page is blank.
[20:40] <qman__> if neither works it's most likely a problem with apache, if the first works and the second doesn't it's more likely a problem with php configuration
[20:40] <cn1109> qman__: even with plain html code I get the same issue
[20:41] <shsek> cn1109, can you check the status code returned by Apache? you have Firebug installed maybe? if you look in the Net tab you can see it.
[20:41] <shsek> alvin, where can I see the UUID grub is using?
[20:42] <qman__> cn1109, what method did you use to install php?
[20:42] <shsek> oh, you said to reboot, never mind that
[20:43] <cn1109> qman__: apt-get install php5
[20:43] <shsek> okay, it is more verboose now
[20:43] <shsek> Begin: Waiting for root file system...
[20:43] <cn1109> shsek: Firebug returns nothing at all. Even with chromes dev tools. nothing
[20:43] <shsek> I still get the same error afterwards
[20:45] <shsek> cn1109, this... makes no sense. Are you looking in the Net tab? you don't see the request there?
[20:45] <shsek> you need to refresh after activating the new tab
[20:45] <shsek> * net
[20:46] <shsek> qman__, alvin, in order for it to mount from /dev/mapper/, what modules should be loaded?
[20:46] <shsek> all I have in /proc/modules is floppy, sis900 and mii - is that normal?
[20:46] <cn1109> okay. I get 500 Internal Server Error
[20:46] <shsek> cn1109, and you're sure there's nothing in apache's error log?
[20:47] <cn1109> shsek: It seems that while someone HERE is trying to resolve the problem. The file owner changes to their username. It only works if the file owner is set to root
[20:47] <shsek> its odd you're getting a 500 error and a lank page
[20:48] <shsek> * blank
[20:48] <shsek> cn1109, it only works if the php file owner is root ?
[20:49] <cn1109> shsek: I thought so. Not sure now. One sec and I'll make sure
[20:50] <alvin> shsek: grub2 needs to have the lvm2 (or is it called lvm?) module loaded.
[20:51] <alvin> But I'm really out of options here. I struggled with this until Lucid was released. Booting karmic has always been broken in my use cases. (root on lvm)
[20:52] <shsek> alvin, and how do I tell it to load lvm?
[20:52] <alvin> Well, you have to go into the grub shell during boot
[20:52] <alvin> so, that's before it starts searching for root
[20:52] <alvin> (ram shift until grub appears)
[20:53] <pwnguin> i wish we had a better merge strategy for etc files
[20:53] <alvin> Then I forgot. There's a grub2 livecd/rescue thing project with good documentation.
[20:53] <cn1109> shsek: Here's the error http://pastie.org/1089029
[20:54] <pwnguin> cuz merging this php5 conf file is crazy
[20:54] <shsek> cn1109, ps aux | grep apache - what user is running it?
[20:54] <alvin> shsek: Check /boot/grub/grub.cfg. See if the UUID is correct
[20:54] <shsek> cn1109, assuming its www-data, which is the default, run chown -R www-data /var/www/
[20:54] <shsek> alvin, from rescue?
[20:55] <alvin> anywhere
[20:55] <shsek> I don't seem to have it from busybox
[20:55] <shsek> oh, wait, I could probably mount it
[20:56] <shsek> alvin, it uses /dev/mapper/kelso-root as far as I can tell
[20:57] <alvin> I think that's good
[20:57] <shsek> alvin, I don't quite understand - if grub isn't loading the LVM2 module, isn't this a simple matter of telling it to load it?
[20:57] <alvin> shsek: I'm not sure it's not loading it. You can do it manually from the grub shell if you want to be sure. (grub shell, not busybox)
[20:58] <cn1109> okay. Sounds bad but it's a fix. I added the user who creates the files to www-data group
[20:58] <shsek> alvin, how do I get to the grub shell than ?
[20:58] <alvin> ram shift until the grub menu appears at boot
[20:59] <alvin> There's an option there
[20:59] <shsek> ram shift?
[20:59] <alvin> hit the shift button :-) I never succeed on the first try
[21:00] <alvin> reboot, and hit shift until the menu appears
[21:00] <shsek> hmm, it got to "beging: waiting for root file system"
[21:01] <alvin> You have to hit shift at the right moment. It's before the error message, just after your BIOS messages
[21:01] <shsek> there we go
[21:01] <alvin> (You can also disable the hidden menu in /etc/default/grub)
[21:02] <shsek> hmm, its grub 1.97~beta4
[21:02] <shsek> that isn't good, is it?
[21:02] <alvin> I suppose so. I have 1.98 on Lucid
[21:03] <shsek> oh, I thought 2 is out
[21:03] <alvin> (Yes, it's beta software)
[21:03] <shsek> why is it called grub2 if its grub 1.97?
[21:03] <alvin> no, it's called grub2, but it's still in beta
[21:03] <alvin> because it's actually 'almost 2'
[21:04] <shsek> okay
[21:04] <alvin> Your troubles are proof of the beta status.
[21:04] <shsek> so I got into grub command line, what should I do now ?
[21:04] <alvin> insmod lvm
[21:04] <seicherlbob> can someone help me out with kvm? its running and i get vnc control, but i get no network connection in or outbound. I have br0 configured to bridge eth0, but all i get on outbound ping from the guest is: martian source $hostIP from $guestIP, on dev tap01
[21:05] <shsek> my troubles are proof of me being very foolish abd removing initramfs-tools :-)
[21:05] <alvin> shsek: I think you have set that error right
[21:05] <shsek> alvin, okay, I loaded lvm, how can I tell it to continue?
[21:06] <alvin> I'm looking at some docs:
[21:06] <alvin> set root=(lvm_group_name-lvm_logical_boot_partition_name)
[21:07] <shsek> so set root=kelso-root ?
[21:07] <shsek> kelso being the machine name
[21:07] <shsek> its usually located at /dev/mapper/kelso-root
[21:07] <alvin> /dev/mapper/kelso-root
[21:08] <shsek> okay, so set root to the full path to it?
[21:08] <shsek> what's next? how can I tell it to continue?
[21:09] <alvin> I don't know actually. Can't remember. Try boot?
[21:09] <shsek> I ran 'insmod lvm' and 'set root=/dev/mapper/kelso-root', should I now tell it to go agead and boot?
[21:09] <alvin> bug 385428
[21:09] <shsek> error: no loaded kernel (after 'boot')
[21:09] <alvin> bah
[21:10] <alvin> ah, initrd
[21:10] <shsek> error: no module specified
[21:10] <alvin> linux /vmlinuz26 root=/dev/mapper/VolumeGroup-root ro
[21:10] <alvin> initrd /kernel26.img
[21:11] <alvin> Then boot. Maybe insmod ext2 (or ext4?)
[21:11] <alvin> The bug says to use grub-mkdevicemap, then update-grub (in rescue mode)
[21:13] <shsek> hmm, error: no such disk
[21:13] <shsek> for 'linux /vmlinuz26 root=/dev/mapper/kelso-root'
[21:15] <shsek> alvin, maybe its not vmlinuz26
[21:15] <shsek> s/$/?
[21:21] <shsek> alvin, ?
[21:22]  * shsek making coffee, brb
[21:31]  * shsek has no idea what fixed it, but it seems to work now!
[21:38] <tucemiux> anyone knows how to force ubuntu to get a new IP?
[21:38] <tucemiux> im using tomato
[21:40] <tucemiux> forget it,i found it
[21:45] <shsek> alvin, qman__, thanks a lot for your help!
[21:52] <bcomp> does anyone know a good video steaming server?
[21:53] <bcomp> preferably with a classy php interface
[21:59] <bcomp> ...
[22:25] <sponzor> i did i fresh install. raid1 and it wont boot. it sas init: ureadahead-other main process (780) and (805) terminated with status 4
[22:25] <sponzor> what should that mean?
[22:31] <bcomp> does anyone know a good video streaming server?
[22:32] <raubvogel> During a new server install, how can I tell it to use a different package source (my internal one in this case)?
[22:33] <bcomp> in the bios?
[22:34] <raubvogel> bcomp: was that reply to my question?
[22:36] <bcomp> yeah
[22:36] <bcomp> do you have the package source on your server's hard drive?
[22:37] <raubvogel> I meant that once ubuntu is installed I can go to /etc/apt/sources.list and specify the   fqdn for the servers I want to retrieve packages from. What I would like to do is to set that up during a fresh install
[22:37] <raubvogel> bcomp: BTW, i guess I probably meant repository
[22:42] <bcomp> most repositories come with the install
[22:42] <bcomp> are you talking about adding additional repositories?
[22:44] <raubvogel> bcomp: I setup an internal repository and would like to use it instead of one of the normal ones.
[22:45] <bcomp> ah can't say I know how to do that
[22:51] <Hypnoz> trying to write a script to see if lines in File1 are present in File2 http://dpaste.de/T04e/
[22:51] <Hypnoz> it appears to be flaky, any suggestions from someone who knows bash scripts better than I do
[22:53] <jldugger> i think a firewall is blocking snmp traffic
[22:54] <pwnguin> is there a way to query ufw?
[22:54] <PascalFR> !wiki ufw
[22:56] <pwnguin> Status: inactive
[22:58] <raubvogel> During the ubuntu server install, when it asks whether I want to install openssh (and other crap), is it retrieving those files from cd or repository?
[23:11] <pwnguin> ERROR: Description/Type table : No response from remote host
[23:11] <pwnguin> ./check_snmp_storage.pl -H host  -C pword -m / -w 90 -c 95 --v2c
[23:12] <pwnguin> for some reason i get that unless i change the host IP to localhost


[02:24] <joey_> sup
[10:23] <xanna> aloha all i am new in linux and i just install on v box studio in order to start small radio station can i get some advices here ?
[10:37] <ethermonk> xanna, what do you need help with?
[10:45] <xanna> hello :)
[10:46] <xanna> thank you :)
[10:46] <xanna> i am new to linux
[10:46] <cfhowlett> !details | xanna
[10:47] <xanna> i live in Cyprus and i would like to run small on line radio station
[10:47] <xanna> so i want to ask for some guides  please
[10:47] <xanna> i have just install studio
[10:47] <cfhowlett> xanna http://www.icecast.org/
[10:47] <xanna> what tools ill need extra?
[10:48] <xanna> and is there a way to connect skype or any other communicator  ?
[10:48] <cfhowlett> xanna read the documentation on the site.  READ.
[10:48] <xanna> i am doing right now :)
[10:49] <xanna> dont be angry please :)
[10:51] <cfhowlett> xanna not angry.  you're trying to do something fairly technical.  research a bit more, keyboard a bit less.  :0
[10:51] <xanna> appreciate that :)
[10:52] <xanna> my i add you to "friend " list for later questions ?
[11:01] <xanna> ok one more thing ! i can not install guest addition ? is there better way like in the terminall ?
[16:02]  * krokus is away (Linux is culture.)
[17:37] <joey_> hey everytime I restart ubuntu studio
[17:37] <joey_> my apps come back
[17:37] <joey_> i dont want that
[17:37] <joey_> i dont havent selected the option that does that
[17:37] <joey_> so why does it keep doing it?
[17:46] <joey_> hello?
[17:53] <joey_> can someone help me ?
[18:55] <exelan> Heyyo
[18:55] <exelan> Anyone here using m-audio USB interfaces with Ubuntu Studio?
[20:03] <mlpug> I have used m-audio
[20:04] <mlpug> Several m-audio devices. Usually successfully.
[21:10] <andrew> Hey,i'm new here.Not sure how to ask for help
[21:26] <OvenWerks> Just ask... but be willing to wait for an answer. Many leave the irc running while they are away
[21:26] <OvenWerks> this lets them catch the back log.
[21:27] <OvenWerks> The person with the best answer to your question may well be asleep right now depending on where they live in the world.
[21:30] <andrew> thanx.I recently installed ubuntu studio 14.04 and just can not get anything to work with jack.I have recorded guitar tracks to audacity with no problems but as i said jack doeesnt seem to work.The messages i get i dont understand.Im new to linux.Was a windows user and never liked it much
[22:15] <holstein> !proaudio | andrew
[22:15] <holstein> andrew: you can try #opensourcemusicians as well
[22:15] <holstein> using jack.. well, any pro-audio in linux with JACK is just not a trivial process
[22:16] <holstein> andrew: i suggest starting simple.. get jack running, stable on an internal audio device with no other devices plugged in.. then, open something like yoshimi and make a sound using "connect" in qjackctl to route connections
[22:16] <holstein> then, maybe something like audacious to play an audio file that you have codec support for
[22:17] <holstein> after you get the hang of that, then, you can move on to ardour... or, elaboarate here, or the other channel i mentioned and maybe you dont need jack at all
[22:36] <andrew> i have been to linux musician but everything i tried just doesnt seem to work.Alot of it is i am new to digital recording the only software ive used so far is audacity.But it seems lmms guitarix seem to need jack.If i could i would just disable jack but i dont think that would be a good idea
[22:41] <andrew> thanx for the advice,Seems this is going to take alot of reading.I guess i didnt realize the huge learning curve that comes with ubuntu studio


[03:52] <J_P> hey all, one question about P4 processors in ubuntu: What ubuntu version and kernel I use for Pentium D ?
[03:53] <lionelp> hi J_P, 686
[03:54] <lionelp> and amd64 if it is 64bit
[04:03] <dura> Good Morning everyone
[04:05] <dura> Can anyone tell me what's going to break when I upgrade mysql-5.0.22 to current in regards to the new security patch today?
[04:06] <infinity> dura: Err, upgrading dapper with dapper-security?  Nothing should break, since it only includes the security patch.
[04:06] <infinity> dura: That's kinda the point. :)
[04:06] <dura> lol
[04:06] <dura> Upgrading Dapper Server with the mysql patch
[04:07] <infinity> Right, but just using apt-get, I assume, not compiling upstream sources or anything insane, right?
[04:07] <dura> I've had 'glitches' before upgrading mysql so I'm leary lol
[04:07] <dura> right just apt-get... using binaries.
[04:07] <infinity> Our update we just released in dapper-security will not hurt anything.
[04:07] <dura> excellent :)
[04:08] <dura> I get nervous with things like that lol
[04:11] <dura> If you're a developer... Nice work with Ubuntu Server
[04:11] <dura> And if you have free time (lol!) check out one of my websites... www.lfs1.net
[04:12] <dura> It's been there only a month and I'm the only 'developer' for it so... it's a work in progress. Thinking of switching CMS.
[06:46] <J_P> lionelp: but Pentium D is 64bits (EMT64) right  ?
[07:10] <Sivik> do y'all help people with issues if i'm trying to set up a web hosting server?
[07:16] <J_P> anyone can help talk about what ubuntu server version I use in Pentium D ? is dapper 64 bits ou 32 bits server ? Becouse pentium D is EMT64...
[07:20] <Sivik> since when was the pentium d 64-bit?
[07:33] <J_P> anyone could help me ?


[09:57] <popey> wxl, seems -uk dropped off the verified teams?
[10:00] <zequence> How would one go about creating a new official IRC channel for a flavor?
[10:08] <zequence> ..like #ubuntustudio-offtopic
[15:44] <czajkowski> Pici: ping when around please, we're having some issues with our CC channel it keeps kicking people and they have issues joining, thank you.
[17:59] <Fuchs> czajkowski: remove akick, probably.
[18:00] <Fuchs> czajkowski: /msg chanserv AKICK #lolboontu LIST     or if you tell us what channel, we can have a look at what else it might be
[18:00] <Fuchs> (could also be RESTRICTED)
[18:17] <czajkowski> Fuchs: 18:16 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- AKICK list for #ubuntu-communitycouncil:
[18:17] <czajkowski> 18:16 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- Total of 0 entries in #ubuntu-communitycouncil's AKICK list.
[18:18] <Fuchs> well, so it is +i, do the right people have +I and are they authenticated when they attempt to join?
[18:18] <czajkowski> how do I check the +1
[18:18] <czajkowski> bah
[18:18] <czajkowski> +I even
[18:18] <Fuchs> also do make sure it is not restricted  (/msg chanserv help set restricted), and if it is, ensure that  people trying to join are on the access list
[18:18] <Fuchs> op up, then  /mode #ubuntu-communitycouncil +I
[18:19] <czajkowski> ack
[18:19] <Fuchs> (when it is +i, restricted is imo a bit pointless)
[18:20] <czajkowski> the issue was when people left they couldnt get back in
[18:20] <czajkowski> or were being kicked
[18:20] <czajkowski> think we're good now
[18:20] <czajkowski> Fuchs: thank you for your help
[18:21] <Fuchs> being kicked would sound like restricted, not being able to join: +i with either a lack of +I or they are not identified when they tried to join
[18:21] <Fuchs> in the latter case you want to recommend http://freenode.net/sasl/ to them
[18:21] <czajkowski> nods
[18:21] <Fuchs> you're welcome
[23:19] <Unit193> Pici, hggdh: Hi.  So joejaxx used to be project lead for UbuntuStudio, now it is zequence.  zequence decided to open up the offtopic channel again, but it's currently owned exclusivly by joejaxx.  Can you reclaim this and give zequence flags?
[23:19] <Unit193> #ubuntustudio-offtopic, that is.
[23:28] <Pici> Fuchs: thanks, work was extremely busy today
[23:30] <Pici> Unit193: I'll take a look it a little bit
[23:30] <Unit193> Pici: Thanks!
[23:30] <Unit193> zequence: ↑


[20:59] <cjwatson> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/148358 (FYI0
[20:59] <cjwatson> )
[21:27] <skaet> cjwatson,  thanks!


[00:45] <no_user_name_set> I upgraded to 11.10 and I'm having a lot of issues.  At it's just a black screen, but all myth services start like mythweb and such.  I looked at boot log and it says: /etc/rc.local: 14: cannot create /sys/class/rc/rc0/protocols: Directory nonexistent
[00:45] <no_user_name_set> Started Subsonic [PID 1313, /var/subsonic/subsonic_sh.log]
[00:45] <no_user_name_set>  * Stopping System V runlevel compatibility^[[74G[ OK ]
[00:45] <no_user_name_set> Any ideas how to fix it?  Wish there were an undo button to just go back to 11.04
[01:38] <no_user_name_set> Well the sticky at the top worked :)
[01:38] <no_user_name_set> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11358168&postcount=16
[01:38] <Zinn> [ubuntuforums.org] Ubuntu Forums - View Single Post - Mythbuntu 11.10 upgrade issues
[01:42] <no_user_name_set> Ok now then back to my original reason for upgrading.
[01:43] <no_user_name_set> Does anyone have a working remove control and working IR channel blaster for Mythbunutu 11.10?
[07:43] <slacker-> hi
[07:44] <slacker-> need help wit my apache. I can't figure out how to undo the redirect to mythweb/
[07:44] <slacker-> I've tried dpkg-reconfigure and said no to the "use exclusively" question
[07:45] <slacker-> I've edited /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/default-mythbuntu and uncommented the DirectoryIndex mythweb line
[07:46] <slacker-> and I can't find any other reference to mythweb in /etc/apache2/ that would indicate a redirect
[07:46] <slacker-> and i've restarted apache every time
[07:48] <slacker-> I've got an index.html in my DocumentRoot folder and DirectoryIndex is set to index.html, amongst others
[15:46] <ubuntuaddicted> morning, I am getting this error in mythweb: Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION '23056':
[15:49] <ubuntuaddicted> and all I did was update and upgrade my install. I am using the mythbuntu repo, stable .23.1+fixes
[16:19] <ubuntuaddicted> i am guessing its something easy but I can't seem to figure it out by myself, yet. any help would be appreciated
[18:28] <st8ofmi9d> I've been running Mythbuntu 9.04 for years. I just tried connecting an old TV to the backend through HDMI. I see video on the TV when booting up but I cannot see video after mythbuntu loads. I tried to install the restricted drivers for the ATI card but when it goes to find the drivers, I get a message that file cannot be found. Any I taking the correct step and am I getting the file not found message because the ol
[18:28] <st8ofmi9d> d repositories are not there. if so, how do I install the restricted driver
[18:38] <st8ofmi9d> ok, I've figured out what I need to put into my sources.list file.
[22:53] <Ankhwatcher> Hey
[23:05] <Ankhwatcher> rhpot1991: that seems to have worked! Thanks so much for helping me.
[23:06] <rhpot1991> Ankhwatcher: good to hear
[23:06] <rhpot1991> want to open a bug for me?
[23:06] <rhpot1991> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythexport
[23:06] <Zinn> [bugs.launchpad.net] Bugs : “mythexport” package : Ubuntu
[23:06] <rhpot1991> and I'll get that fixed up for the next release
[23:14] <Ankhwatcher> rhpot1991: I'd be please to. So, how do I use this?
[23:23] <rhpot1991> Ankhwatcher: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythexport/+filebug
[23:23] <Zinn> [bugs.launchpad.net] OpenID transaction in progress
[23:23] <rhpot1991> just walk through that and it should work
[23:29] <Ankhwatcher> rhpot1991: is this okay: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythexport/+bug/920210
[23:29] <Zinn> [bugs.launchpad.net] Bug #920210 in mythexport (Ubuntu): “Unable To Install With mythconverg Renamed”
[23:29] <rhpot1991> Ankhwatcher: thanks


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[06:06] <mitya57> larsu: Which gtk bug?
[06:40] <desrt> seb128: hi :D
[06:40] <seb128> desrt, howdy
[06:41] <larsu> mitya57: this one https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=722727
[06:43] <mitya57> larsu: ok, feel free to comment & reject.
[06:48] <larsu> mitya57: heh, okay
[06:57] <sil2100> didrocks: hi! So, I duplicated the meeting event, you can remove yours I guess ;)
[06:58] <didrocks> thanks sil2100!
[06:58]  * didrocks does
[07:00] <Laney> freedom
[07:03] <didrocks> Laney: \o/ yeah
[07:08] <larsu> Laney: rishi had a good point about my patch (only enable app-paintable when transparency is on). Please wait a bit with your review ;)
[07:08] <Laney> yeah, was waiting for the go ahead anyway
[07:08] <larsu> ok cool
[08:36] <darkxst> hey seb128 Laney larsu
[08:49] <Laney> hello darkxst
[08:52] <larsu> darkxst: hi
[08:53] <darkxst> any progress on gtk update?
[08:54] <larsu> maybe Laney uploaded it accidentally?
[08:55] <Laney> somebody greased my gpg key
[08:55] <Laney> things just keep sliding off it
[08:56] <Laney> joking aside, I think larsu is working on it but dialogs require fixing
[08:56] <Laney> it'll take time
[08:57] <darkxst> arent the dialogs just an xsettings to disable headerbars?
[08:59] <darkxst> http://worldofgnome.org/how-to-disable-gtk-header-dialogs-from-gnome-3-12/
[08:59] <mitya57> I think we just need to make unity-settings-daemon support that Xsettings key and export it, yes
[09:00] <darkxst> mitya57, yeh that is easy to fix
[09:04] <darkxst> so there must be other issues?
[09:05] <larsu> darkxst: that xsetting is only used to decide whether buttons are shown in the headerbar
[09:05] <larsu> dialogs always use csd though
[09:06] <larsu> haven't decided yet if we want that or if traditional titlebars are better
[09:07] <mitya57> Hm, then they have chosen a terrible name for that XSetting (Gtk/DialogsUseHeader)
[09:07] <larsu> ya
[09:10] <darkxst> larsu, which again would come down to ignoring the WM hints?
[09:20] <larsu> darkxst: which hints?
[09:22] <darkxst> larsu, the motif WM hints
[09:22] <darkxst> unity should ignore them
[09:22] <darkxst> if you want titlebars
[09:22] <darkxst> ^traditional
[09:22] <larsu> I don't think we can do that...
[09:22] <larsu> there are a lot of windows that set those hints
[09:23] <darkxst> larsu, there is only one specific hint, that controls the titlebars
[09:25] <larsu> please let's not make this situation messier than it already is
[09:25] <larsu> if there's a hint that says "remove the title bar", unity should remove the title bar
[09:25] <larsu> everything else is madness
[09:25] <darkxst> larsu, upstream don't quite agree with that!
[09:26] <larsu> why not?
[09:28] <darkxst> I spoke with them about adding a xsetting and/or theming attribute to control titlebars and they weren't to interested
[09:28] <darkxst> basically said unity should ignore the hints if it wants real titlebars
[09:29] <larsu> right, but that's adding a new xsetting is different from changing an existing (very old) one
[09:30] <larsu> ignoring the hint seems to be a very bad idea to me
[09:30] <larsu> I'd rather patch gtk
[09:32] <darkxst> larsu, right, which is also what I intended to do, however upstream weren't interested and this was during our 3.10 cycle so I never bothered apart from a couple of hacked together PoC patches
[09:34] <larsu> if they're not interested, we'll just keep it downstream
[09:37] <darkxst> larsu, sure, it just wasn't that important last cycle
[09:38] <larsu> Laney: https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/gnome-terminal/update-restore-transparency-patch/+merge/221049
[09:38] <larsu> let's wait for rishi's opinion as well before merging it
[09:39] <Laney> kvaliteh
[09:39] <Laney> lemme know
[09:59] <darkxst> larsu, I supposed that is based on Fedora's downstream patches?
[10:05] <larsu> darkxst: slightly modified, yes
[10:10] <darkxst> larsu, ok
[10:10] <darkxst> I haven't had a chance to look over them yet, but have heard of there existence.
[10:21] <ara> mlankhorst, hey! quick question about https://bugs.launchpad.net/oem-priority/+bug/1307701
[10:22] <ara> mlankhorst, is the fix in qtbase enough? or are you still working on fixing stuff in the x server as well?
[10:22] <seb128> happyaron, could you review https://code.launchpad.net/~hennekn/ubuntu/trusty/ibus/bug-1240198/+merge/220843 ?
[10:23] <seb128> attente, ^
[10:24] <seb128> chrisccoulson, is https://launchpad.net/bugs/1236351 the compiler bug you mentioned yesterday?
[10:25] <mlankhorst> ara: it's in code review, see attached bug
[10:25] <ara> mlankhorst, attached bug?
[10:25] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yes (see also https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=983817)
[10:26] <seb128> chrisccoulson, thanks, can you triage the bug/cvomment?
[10:26] <mlankhorst> ara: it's fixed in the utopic package, 5.2.1+dfsg-1ubuntu17
[10:26] <mlankhorst> ara: but it's queued for utopic, no idea how that's going *checks*
[10:26] <mlankhorst> s/utopic/trusty/
[10:27] <ara> mlankhorst, OK, so with the fix in qtbase is enough
[10:27] <mlankhorst> should be
[10:27] <mlankhorst> at least to avoid the issue
[10:27] <ara> ok, thanks
[10:28] <mlankhorst> it's queued for the qtbase-opensource-src sru too, but I have no idea how that's going
[10:29] <mlankhorst> afk, food
[11:31] <seb128> attente, ubuntu-codesearch.surgut.co.uk/search?q=keyboardsrock
[11:32] <seb128> thanks firefox
[11:32] <seb128> http://ubuntu-codesearch.surgut.co.uk/search?q=keyboardsrock
[11:32] <seb128> that one is clickable
[11:32] <attente> thanks seb128
[11:33] <seb128> yw!
[12:17]  * xnox loves when my dns is used =)
[12:18] <sarnold> xnox: it sure beats remembering the IP :)
[12:21] <Laney> chrisccoulson: https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/dbd3e5e0-bdec-4e24-9fc5-729722140526 ;-)
[12:29] <chrisccoulson> Laney, mmmm, in the cycle collector - good luck with that one ;)
[16:01] <mlankhorst> Laney: oh did you find my name in totem yet? :P
[20:03] <Laney> mlankhorst: looks like you updated one of our default applications to a new upstream series without thinking about it


[02:02] <pleia2> tsimonq2: are you able to work on any summaries this evening?
[02:03] <pleia2> still have 6 outstanding
[02:03] <tsimonq2> whoops lol
[02:03] <tsimonq2> sorry pleia2
[02:03] <tsimonq2> completely forgot
[02:03] <tsimonq2> on it within 15 minutes
[02:03] <tsimonq2> I will do 2-3, maybe more
[02:05] <pleia2> thanks :)
[02:08] <tsimonq2> wxl: ? ^
[02:08] <wxl> i can probably toss a couple in. someone give me the doc link?
[02:08] <pleia2> http://bit.ly/vDkJyf
[02:08] <pleia2> (it's in the channel topic for future reference)
[02:08] <tsimonq2> wxl: it's in the topic :P
[02:09] <pleia2> thanks guys
[02:09] <tsimonq2> (that's how I get it every week, or if I am at Mom's I have it bookmarked in Chrome)
[02:10]  * tsimonq2 waits a bit as his new kernel is compiling :P
[02:10]  * tsimonq2 corrects himself by trying with his Dad's tablet
[02:12] <tsimonq2> woah that is absolute crap
[02:13] <tsimonq2> Android Google Document editing
[02:13] <tsimonq2> with the keyboard...
[02:13]  * tsimonq2 shudders
[02:14] <tsimonq2> ooh the one I claimed is by a member of our LoCo
[02:14] <tsimonq2> :D
[02:17] <wxl> derp
[02:17] <tsimonq2> wxl: hm? :D
[02:18] <wxl> the topic
[02:18] <tsimonq2> oh :D
[02:21] <tsimonq2> woah I completely forgot...I will finish this up then I have some last minute homework to finish, and some stuff to organize for the terrible day that is tomorrow - the Monday after break...
[02:22] <tsimonq2> "this" being the current summary that I am on
[02:22] <wxl> ugh and just when i was going to ask you to help me with release notes
[02:22]  * tsimonq2 throws his hands up
[02:22] <tsimonq2> I asked *yesterday* if you needed help with that :P
[02:22] <wxl> whatever
[02:22] <tsimonq2> well I will be back in a couple hours probably
[02:23] <wxl> all i need to do is make sure all the bugs are listed
[02:23] <tsimonq2> gosh darnit wxl, and I would have helped too
[02:23] <wxl> basically we need to compare a list of bugs reported with bugs on the last release notes
[02:23] <wxl> sorry man i've been busy with family stuff :(
[02:23] <tsimonq2> fine :P
[02:23] <tsimonq2> I will help for Alpha 2
[02:23] <tsimonq2> after all this is ust Alpha 1 :)
[02:23] <tsimonq2> *just
[02:23] <wxl> it's ok
[02:24] <wxl> we should probably keep this conversation out of #ubuntu-news anyways
[02:24] <tsimonq2> yeah
[02:24] <wxl> HOWEVER we could have a really cool article on how you totally screwed up alpha 1
[02:24] <wxl> XD
[02:26] <pleia2> I'm amused
[02:26] <pleia2> ;)
[02:28] <pleia2> wxl: are you working on Julian's article?
[02:28]  * pleia2 sees an anonymous hippo cursor
[02:29] <pleia2> working on adding stats and moving other things over in the meantime
[02:29] <wxl> yes i put reading-wxl there
[02:30] <pleia2> k :)
[02:59] <pleia2> wxl: no need for a summary on his second article
[02:59] <pleia2> wxl: all done with the first?
[02:59] <wxl> pleia2: yeah i keep getting distracted
[02:59] <wxl> pleia2: i can do the 2nd one in the next 5 mins
[02:59] <pleia2> wxl: no no, I'm just going to link it in there as more of the same topic
[03:00] <pleia2> so no need for a summary :)
[03:00] <wxl> k
[03:00] <pleia2> I'm going to copy this over to the wiki now, thanks!
[03:00] <wxl> pleia2: k sorry i wasn't of much help
[03:01] <pleia2> it's one less summary I have to write, so I still appreciate it :)
[03:01] <wxl> np :)
[03:02] <pleia2> ah! an article from PaulW2U we should include popped up on planet
[03:02] <wxl> you need me to do that?
[03:03] <pleia2> nah, I can take care of it
[03:08] <pleia2> Unit193: link check? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue448
[03:10] <pleia2> sent off to the editors
[19:26] <pleia2> wxl: monday release WEIRDING ME OUT
[19:26] <pleia2> also, nice email :)
[19:26] <pleia2> adding to fridge
[19:27] <wxl> pleia2: ikr :)
[19:27] <wxl> i thought i would include a more witty quote than what the release team would normally include XD
[19:35] <pleia2> I hadn't actually read it yet, haha! Poor xerus :)
[19:35] <wxl> pleia2: hey it was mark's idea XD
[19:37] <pleia2> hehe
[19:37] <pleia2> "that's what you get for naming the release after a squirrel"
[19:52] <wxl> pleia2: do you know if infinity is on twitter? i'd love to troll him in a tweet reply :)
[20:00] <pleia2> wxl: I don't think so
[22:56] <tsimonq2> o/
[22:57] <tsimonq2> anybody need help?
[22:57] <holstein> tsimonq2: you are asking for assistance?
[22:58] <tsimonq2> holstein: no, I am asking if wxl and/or pleia2 need help with newsletter stuff, but thank you :)


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[10:52]  * popey hugs pleia2
[11:51] <czajkowski> ah yay mark blogged :D
[11:51] <czajkowski> good
[11:51] <jussi> yeah, its a good post
[11:53] <czajkowski> we asked him to talk about how he felt about the RR idea and to be fair he hasn't be sold either way
[11:53] <czajkowski> so it's good to see it's not a done deal
[11:54] <jussi> yeah
[11:54] <jussi> He pretty specifically says there that he doesnt like a rolling release
[11:55] <czajkowski> yup
[11:55] <jussi> I mean, this is a pretty nice clear statement:
[11:55] <jussi> It’s nonsense to portray Rick’s position as a final position for Ubuntu. The TB have not weighed in,  the CC (who were briefed that the assessment was being made and that a straw man would be proposed) are still considering their perspective, and I’m not convinced either. So, for those inclined to melodrama, you may want to calm down and join the conversation.
[11:55] <czajkowski> It does seem to feel a bit like sky is falling lately
[11:56] <czajkowski> can be disheartening as well seeing all the posts
[11:56] <jussi> yeah, just a bit
[11:59] <vibhav> phew
[11:59] <vibhav> I am not feeling quite nice about so many people leaving :(
[12:05] <AlanBell> well it is a pretty big direction change
[12:05] <AlanBell> there is going to be a loss of some people, and perhaps a gain of others
[12:05] <daker> not really some :)
[12:07] <AlanBell> it used to be about replacing windows XP on the corporate desktop, now it is all about individual consumer purchases and the app store
[12:07] <AlanBell> I can see that the latter is hugely more interesting to some people
[12:08] <vibhav> AlanBell: Turbulance is always temporary
[12:08] <vibhav> (From my experience)
[12:13] <dholbach> I'll write a blog post later on as well and tried to respond some of them in comments
[12:13] <dholbach> but now it's lunch time - maybe walking the dog will help me put my thoughts in order :)
[12:25] <popey> \o/ lunch
[14:05] <smartboyhw> I am wondering: Had there been projects before that new Ubuntu members get interviewed?
[14:06] <daker> smartboyhw: what are you talking about ?
[14:10] <smartboyhw> daker: Sort of like this: After a new Ubuntu contributor became a member some people interview them and post them onto blogs so people can have a better reference to contribute to Ubuntu
[14:11] <Pici> If they've already become an Ubuntu member then they really should already know about contributing to Ubuntu.
[14:11] <popey> usually people just introduce themselves to the planet when they get membership
[14:11] <popey> thats how it used to work anyway
[14:12] <smartboyhw> Pici no the interviews will provide experiences to NEW contributors
[14:12] <smartboyhw> popey: How about if they don't
[14:12] <smartboyhw> ?
[14:12] <Pici> smartboyhw: maybe I misunderstood the question.
[14:12] <Pici> popey: thats what I did.
[15:07] <jussi> smartboyhw: the forums has interviews sometimes
[15:08] <smartboyhw> jussi hmm I never saw it (I am an active member of it)
[15:16] <balloons> smartboyhw, some members like to interview.. but you've got a blogroll on planet -- post an interview of yourself if you wish :-)
[15:17] <smartboyhw> balloons no.............. It would be ridiculous for me to do so
[15:17] <balloons> smartboyhw, I'd be happy to do it for you if you wish :-)
[15:18] <smartboyhw> balloons: Maybe we should start interviewing QA people!!!!!!!!!
[15:18] <smartboyhw> PR...:-P
[15:18] <balloons> smartboyhw, it's on the table certainly.. not everyone likes the idea.. but if you do, I'd be happy to help
[15:21] <smartboyhw> balloons: Let's roll!!!
[15:23] <SergioMeneses> hi all!
[15:26] <smartboyhw> Hey SergioMeneses
[15:29] <balloons> smartboyhw, we miss you on #ubuntu-quality
[15:30] <smartboyhw> balloons coming
[16:00] <jono> dpm, will be there in a min
[16:01] <dpm> jono, ok, we're there already
[16:01] <dpm> mhall119, joining the app showdown call?
[16:26] <jono> balloons, can you join a hangout now?
[16:27] <balloons> jono, sure thing
[16:27] <balloons> give me a min
[16:28] <jono> balloons, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/3810dbf8c1724ec547677323909eba667007e583
[16:59] <balloons> dpm, let me know who your SDK contact is and I'll work with them to get docs going. Popey, if you could send me the link to the ppa and meta-package, I'll get rolling
[17:03] <dpm> balloons, sure, I'll do that after this meeting
[17:12] <popey> dpm: metapackage doesn't currently exist
[17:12] <popey> dpm: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/+archive/daily is the ppa
[17:23] <daker> someone is importing nemo stuff into the filemanager app https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-filemanager-dev/ubuntu-filemanager-app/trunk/revision/3
[18:17]  * pleia2 hugs popey
[18:24] <popey> podcast went out today btw
[18:24] <popey> sound quality was really good
[20:44] <balloons> rrnwexec, http://randall.executiv.es/ubuntu-stage-next +1
[20:44] <rrnwexec> thanks balloons.
[20:46] <jono> rrnwexec, ditto, nice post
[20:46] <rrnwexec> thanks jono.
[20:54] <Daviey> rrnwexec: Don't know if you agree it's relevant, but I found this analyse of project growth interesting - http://okdork.com/2012/09/29/why-i-got-fired-from-facebook-a-100-million-dollar-lesson/
[20:55] <Daviey> What i find sad, is that Rick raised a discussion point on ubuntu-devel.. and people quit over it.. He'll no doubt be afraid to raise discussion points in the future.. which is not the community i want.
[20:57] <AlanBell> why did nobody believe it was a discussion point?
[21:00] <rrnwexec> thanks Daviey. very interesting read. it's relevant.
[23:37] <jono> anyone mind redditing http://www.jonobacon.org/2013/03/08/thoughts-on-recent-community-concerns/ ?
[23:46] <bkerensa> jono: http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/19vm71/jono_bacon_thoughts_on_recent_community_concerns/
[23:48] <jono> thanks bkerensa
[23:56] <snap-l> jono: http://decafbad.net/2013/03/07/the-ubuntu-community-collaborator-or-contributor/
[23:56] <snap-l> I think this is where the crux of the issue lies.
[23:58] <bkerensa> snap-l: indeed... It seems the community wants to be a stakeholder and not just a contributor of works