[12:00] <diviy1> guess  what it dint work
[12:00] <Calvin> eeeekkkk .. ppl .. is there any place ubuntu saves XF86Config files .. except for /etc/X11 ? i edited the X11/ file but no changes
[12:01] <Espectro> i would advice to mail the usb mass storage developer and try to make him get it to work
[12:01] <ShadowHawk> Ubuntu still seems to think I have PCMCIA stuff.  How do I remove all PCMCIA related junk?
[12:01] <stuNNed> hi all
[12:01] <stuNNed> anyone get linuxant hsf modem drivers to work with ubuntu?
[12:01] <alfa2004> hola
[12:02] <ShadowHawk> diviy1: Have you gotten that card working on that laptop before?
[12:02] <eckstejs> Espectro: Thanx. Will collect some more information (with which kernel it worked and not and so on). Will be a long night ;). Thanx and CU
[12:02] <arc_> alfa2004: speak english please
[12:02] <alfa2004> helo
[12:03] <Espectro> oblig simpsons: "screaming is understood in all languages"
[12:03] <alfa2004> love
[12:03] <diviy1> had  window  b4  no  prob linux   wont  connect  at all
[12:03] <ShadowHawk> diviy1: Could Ubuntu find the card and add it after you removed it, it just couldn't activate it?
[12:04] <homeas> yah - third java deb, some symlinking, and finally a working java plugin !
[12:04] <ShadowHawk> Err let me rephrase that: Could Ubuntu add the card after you removed it?  Could it activate it?
[12:04] <diviy1>  it just couldn't activate it
[12:04] <Calvin> anyone knows the XFree86 module / device driver for S3 Prosavage card ? i have tried all the Savage / s3virge options .. no luck !
[12:05] <Espectro> java debs? i just would download java from the page and made the symlink...
[12:05] <ShadowHawk> You have just the  one network card, right?
[12:05] <diviy1> yes
[12:07] <ShadowHawk> Can you open up a terminal and message me the output of sudo lspci and sudo ifconfig please?
[12:09] <homeas> Espectro, now you tell me :) why not before ?
[12:09] <Espectro> because most debian users think if they can't find a deb package then software will not work
[12:09] <homeas> Espectro, ok, so why tell me now then after I installed something ?
[12:10] <Espectro> maybe because i wasn't here or noticed when you asked?
[12:10] <Calvin> anyone knows the XFree86 module / device driver for S3 Prosavage card ? i have tried all the Savage / s3virge options .. no luck !
[12:15] <nixman> anyone knows how to turn on tree iews in nautilus ?
[12:15] <MFen> what package do you (anyone) recommend for viewing video clips in firefox?
[12:15] <MFen> i tried the vlc plugin and i just get (no picture) on video objects
[12:15] <Espectro> mplayer-plugin
[12:15] <MFen> i couldn't find that package
[12:16] <MFen> i'm actually trying to compile it manually rn
[12:16] <MFen> is there a deb?
[12:16] <Espectro> not everything is a package
[12:16] <MFen> bah
[12:16] <Espectro> i dont know
[12:16] <Espectro> that doesn't stop me
[12:16] <nevyn> isn't it on marilat?
[12:16] <Espectro> people dont google this days
[12:17] <ogra> MFen: sudo apt-get install mozilla-mplayer
[12:17] <ogra> MFen: its in multiverse
[12:17] <ogra> afaik
[12:17] <MFen> "multiverse"?
[12:17] <ogra> yep
[12:18] <MFen> is that like "restricted" for "universe"?
[12:18] <ogra> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3414506543/
[12:18] <SmokingFire> MFen: just copy the lines of the universe rep and change universe in multiverse
[12:19] <MFen> thanks, i'm already doing that :)
[12:19] <Calvin> i got the Savage prob fixed .. just 1 Question , after i edited /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ... when i tried to start gdm up .. it failed .. but  when i rebooted it loads XF86 fine .. y didn't GDM start with a manual /etc/init.d/gdm start ???
[12:20] <eckstejs> Hi! - with kernel 2.6.8-k7, the USB-Stick still doesn't work :) - but after backgrounding hat job --> how to use a Hauppauge WinTV with Ubuntu? :)
[12:20] <MFen> btw, i was freaking shocked by how easy it was to get glx with my nvidia card on ubuntu
[12:20] <epod> I feel all lonely with no spyware to keep me company on my Ubuntu system
[12:20] <MFen> thanks for that :)
[12:21] <Agabus> hello?
[12:21] <epod> MFen, ATI fglrx was incredibly easy too, I've never had anything less than a *major* hassle getting it installed on any other distro
[12:21] <SmokingFire> any one out there?
[12:21] <epod> Nope!
[12:21] <eckstejs> SmokingFire: Yes :)
[12:21] <SmokingFire> I was responding to Agabus
[12:21] <Mojo_Jojo> Hi, everytime I play a movie in gxine it closes when I play it in full screen :(
[12:21] <Agabus> lol hello
[12:21] <SmokingFire> don't play movies
[12:22] <Mojo_Jojo> ...ok
[12:22] <Agabus> could anyone tell me whether i'd be able to fit Ubutuntu onto a 4 gig hard drive?
[12:22] <ogra> Mojo_Jojo: why dont you take totem-xine ?
[12:22] <[Siff] > smokingfire: that was terribly helpful
[12:22] <SmokingFire> you should be learning to program not waste you time on vile hollywood entertainment.
[12:22] <orospakr> Agabus, yes, it will fit.
[12:22] <BigNastyKid909> does anyone know what the command to copy ALL files??
[12:23] <Mojo_Jojo> ogra, totem-xine....newbie :D
[12:23] <epod> cp * :)
[12:23] <nevyn> epod: that doesn't copy .files
[12:23] <Agabus> orospakr: the full install??
[12:23] <SmokingFire> [Siff] : I'm always helpful. I mean not doing it solved the problem doesn't it?
[12:23] <orospakr> Agabus, you'll have about a gig at least free after, for sure.
[12:23] <mirak> ubuntu is cruelly missing a adsl pppoe installer in the installer
[12:23] <epod> nevyn, I can't be blamed for that.
[12:23] <ogra> Mojo_Jojo: does the same as gxine, but fits much better in the desktop ;)
[12:23] <eckstejs> BigNastyKid909: cp -a . /dev/null
[12:23] <Mojo_Jojo> ogra, what do you mean :/
[12:24] <BigNastyKid909> eckstejs: so -a is to select all then?
[12:24] <orospakr> Agabus, there is only one setting. :) until you start apt-getting more stuff, that is...
[12:24] <ogra> Mojo_Jojo: totem-xine
[12:24] <Agabus> orospakr: great, thanks alot man
[12:24] <orospakr> np
[12:24] <ys> what's a website where i can download good themes?
[12:24] <SmokingFire> Mojo_Jojo: From what I understand totom-xine and gxine is just a matter of skins.
[12:24] <MFen> ok, cool, got mozilla-mplayer, but it seems to hang
[12:24] <eckstejs> BigNastyKid909: no - it's an abbrev for IMHO -dPr  - wich means: recursive, preserve permissions and something else, which I forgot.
[12:24] <cyrus-tc> if you use a ati card with fglrx binary driver (universe) then you have to adjust the "nice_fog" value to false in tuxracer options file.. ;)
[12:24] <ogra> BigNastyKid909: dont do that !!! (/dev/null is the trash target)
[12:25] <Mojo_Jojo> ok...if it just changes the skin what does that have to do with my problem??? or am I missing someting ehre?
[12:25] <SmokingFire> ys: gnome-look.org or kde-look.org
[12:25] <MFen> would anyone like to take a shot at viewing one of the videos from the daily show site and tell me if it hangs for you too? someone who knows their mplayer plugin is working :-)
[12:25] <BigNastyKid909> ogra: i just need to copy all files in one directory into another directory
[12:25] <SmokingFire> Mojo_Jojo: whats your problem?
[12:25] <eckstejs> BigNastyKid909: But if you don't want to descent in subdirectories, it's getting difficult, because "cp . .* /dev/null" also copies directories
[12:25] <Mojo_Jojo> well eveytime I play a movie in gxine in full screen it closes right away :(
[12:25] <ogra> BigNastyKid909: cp -a /source/dir /target/dir
[12:25] <eckstejs> ogra: /dev/null was just an example. I didn't say "mv /tmp/ /dev/null" or sth. like that ;)
[12:26] <BigNastyKid909> ogra: ok imma try it real quick
[12:26] <SmokingFire> Mojo_Jojo: what format are you trying to play?
[12:26] <Mojo_Jojo> avi
[12:26] <ogra> eckstejs: sorry, youre right.... was cp :)
[12:28] <SmokingFire> Mojo_Jojo: As I understand avi is just a container. It works when playing in non full screen?
[12:28] <Mojo_Jojo> odd it now works now that totem-xine is installed
[12:28] <Mojo_Jojo> thank you SmokingFire and ogra for your help :D
[12:28] <SmokingFire> Mojo_Jojo: I don't know I haven't uncountred this problem myself. Maybe switching to full screen switches to another video mode that your driver/card has problems with.
[12:28] <Mojo_Jojo> *cires* the video is in french...
[12:28] <Mojo_Jojo> what would video card have to do with it??
[12:29] <SmokingFire> Mojo_Jojo: you donwloaded the vid?
[12:29] <mirak> Imust use hoary to install amarok ?
[12:29] <Mojo_Jojo> yeah, it's street figher...i've never seen it in any store here and I can't buy oneline(no cc)
[12:29] <BigNastyKid909> ogra: it copies the directory
[12:29] <SmokingFire> maybe full screen vid playing uses other techniques to display on monitor.
[12:29] <Mojo_Jojo> ohh ok
[12:29] <ogra> BigNastyKid909: cp -a /source/dir/* /target/dir
[12:29] <BigNastyKid909> ogra: i need to copy all files in one directory, into another
[12:30] <BigNastyKid909> ogra: ok imma try it again
[12:30] <Mojo_Jojo> can, totem play dvds??? i've been thinking of buying  dvd rom
[12:30] <mirak> what must I do to have amarok ?
[12:30] <ogra> Mojo_Jojo: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:30] <SmokingFire> Mojo_Jojo: mine can but I needed libcss (or something called like that(
[12:31] <BigNastyKid909> ogra: thanks it worked
[12:31] <Mojo_Jojo> ok, is libcss hard to install??
[12:31] <jdz`_> Hello - Ubuntu install freezes while installing `libsgm1' -- Is there any way I can install Ubuntu without installing libsgm, simply to get a working system?
[12:32] <ogra> BigNastyKid909: sorry for the wrong first hint :)
[12:32] <BigNastyKid909> ogra: its ok thanks for helping
[12:32] <ogra> Mojo_Jojo: see the url i posted
[12:32] <Mojo_Jojo> i'm waiting for it to load
[12:33] <SmokingFire> Mojo_Jojo: can be done from apt-get synaptic but you will need the correct reps
[12:33] <stuNNed> is there a way to download kernel source for running kernel? (latest in wary)
[12:33] <xenonite> hi, how can i burn an audio cd with ubuntu?
[12:33] <stuNNed> sorry wary/warty
[12:33] <Mojo_Jojo> SmokingFire, reps??
[12:33] <ogra> stuNNed: look for linux-source in synaptic
[12:33] <epod> I am having issues with mplayer-plugin
[12:33] <SmokingFire> xenonite: why do you want to share your downloaded music with friends?
[12:33] <epod> it gets to 25% loading a movie and freezes
[12:33] <Mojo_Jojo> wow that site loads slowly
[12:34] <SmokingFire> Mojo_Jojo: reposistories.
[12:34] <xenonite> SmokingFire: what_
[12:34] <stuNNed> ogra: and there is 'linux-source' that matches exactly latest warty kernel?
[12:34] <Mojo_Jojo> SmokingFire, ahh ok what do you have??
[12:34] <SmokingFire> let me see
[12:34] <mirak> does somebody uses hoary here ?
[12:34] <ogra> stuNNed: run uname -a in a terminal
[12:34] <ogra> stuNNed: then look for the matching source package
[12:35] <SmokingFire> Mojo_Jojo: you will need this: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[12:35] <ogra> Mojo_Jojo: they are on the wiki page....
[12:35] <xenonite> serious, how can i write audiocds_
[12:35] <SmokingFire> Mojo_Jojo: "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main "
[12:35] <stuNNed> ogra: ok thanks will do, is it possible it will show up in synaptic and not show up in `apt-cache search linux-source` ?
[12:35] <ogra> SmokingFire: mplayer is in multiverse, no need for marillat
[12:35] <mirak> xenonite: use k3b
[12:35] <SmokingFire> ogra: he is looking for dvd playback
[12:35] <ogra> stuNNed: nope
[12:36] <xenonite> k
[12:36] <chibifs> Hmmm.. This is turning out to be a pain. :P
[12:36] <Mojo_Jojo> this sucks I don't have mplayer...oh well there are skins for totem right?
[12:37] <Mojo_Jojo> ogra, thanks for that link :D
[12:37] <xenonite> thanks mirak i'll try
[12:37] <SmokingFire> Mojo_Jojo: add that line I mentioned then do a reload and then search for libdvdcss
[12:37] <ogra> SmokingFire: its in multiverse....
[12:37] <chibifs> Damn woody floppies, not letting me mount a cdrom drive that I hotdwapped. :/
[12:38] <SmokingFire> ogra: didn't know
[12:38] <Mojo_Jojo> SmokingFire, what line?
[12:38] <SmokingFire> Mojo_Jojo: "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main "
[12:38] <SmokingFire> but forget that
[12:38] <SmokingFire> you need to add the multiverse rep to your sources.list
[12:38] <mirak> anyone using amarok here ?
[12:39] <Mojo_Jojo> thanks SmokingFire, I think i'll buy that player today :D
[12:39] <Tzalidar> xrandr keeps bugging me
[12:39] <Tzalidar> i want 100hz all the time
[12:39] <Tzalidar> but the only way i can get 100 hz
[12:39] <Tzalidar> is by running fglrxconfig
[12:39] <Tzalidar> and using the generated config file
[12:40] <chibifs> Hmmmm... Must... obtain.... boot from cd method...;_;
[12:41] <Mojo_Jojo> oh another question, when I first instaleld amsn it worked fine then I removed it and installed the new version from the amsn site. but it only ran once and now it wont open again :( with no error messages
[12:41] <Tsjoklat> arvo all
[12:41] <ys> what version of gnome does ubuntu come w/?
[12:41] <orospakr> 2.8
[12:42] <trickie> ys: 2.8
[12:42] <Tsjoklat> does anyone else have problems with the trash applet?
[12:42] <ys> thanks
[12:42] <seb128> Tsjoklat: in hoary ? yes, gtk+ bug
[12:42] <Tsjoklat> seb what do you mean?
[12:42] <Tsjoklat> you got problems too? is it a bug?
[12:43] <seb128> that's a gtk+ bug
[12:43] <ys> i'm having trouble installing this theme
[12:43] <ys> :/
[12:43] <Tsjoklat> seb128, is it being adressed?
[12:43] <ys> i got it from gnome-look it says it's for 2.x
[12:43] <ys> why doesn't the .theme file install?
[12:43] <Tsjoklat> when I did a dist-upgrade it removed the trash applet
[12:44] <Tsjoklat> when I want to reinstall it it has to remove gnome-applets plus ubuntu-desktop
[12:44] <mirak> Tsjoklat: you dist-upgraded to what ?
[12:44] <fissy> hi is there a package for gnome-sharp?
[12:44] <Tsjoklat> hoary
[12:44] <seb128> Tsjoklat: will be fixed in the next version
[12:45] <seb128> Tsjoklat: trashapplet is in gnome-applets since 2.9
[12:45] <seb128> that's why it removes the trashapplet package
[12:45] <Tsjoklat> next version of what? ubu???
[12:45] <Tsjoklat> don't tell me I have to wait till grumpy
[12:45] <mirak> seb128: can I use hoary ?
[12:46] <Tzalidar> how did i select my default alsa soundcard
[12:46] <Tzalidar> i have reinstalled my computer (messing around with different distros)
[12:46] <Tzalidar> and i remember one guy telling me a easy way of doing it
[12:46] <Tsjoklat> when I delete a file it shows up in the trash applet but I am unable to drag files into like it use to
[12:47] <seb128> mirak: why not ? you can play with devel stuff if you want, but be carreful, that's a devel branch
[12:47] <mirak> seb128: is it equivalent to unstable ?
[12:47] <mirak> seb128: I mean I want amarok, it's in pool, but it's not in warty
[12:48] <seb128> you want universe
[12:48] <seb128> not hoary
[12:48] <seb128> probably ?
[12:48] <Tsjoklat> seb what new version of what?
[12:48] <mirak> seb128: I added universe but apt-cache search amarok gives no results
[12:49] <seb128> ok, so it was not in the archive when warty frooze perhaps
[12:49] <ys> can someone help me install the theme d3a?
[12:49] <trickie> anyone know of a packaged version of the mono libs for ubuntu?
[12:49] <seb128> Tsjoklat: what do you want exactly ?
[12:49] <dieman> hah, haven't seen the new gdm screen
[12:49] <mirak> seb128: I will try hoary, if I am not satisfied I will go back debian
[12:50] <dieman> looks lince
[12:50] <dieman> i've been replacing it automatically since porno desktop
[12:50] <Tsjoklat> I want to be able to drag files into the trash applet again
[12:50] <dieman> nice, rather
[12:50] <Matt|> just about to make the jump to hoary. is there anything i should know (except reconfiguring the locales after)?
[12:52] <[ZACK] > hi guys, i would like to know how to set rhythmbox as my defualt audio player
[12:52] <seb128> mirak: what's the problem ?
[12:52] <chibifs> Hmmm.. That didn't work very well.
[12:53] <chibifs> Maybe slackware will be nicer to me :/
[12:53] <seb128> chibifs: what ?
[12:53] <Matt|> 455 upgraded, 27 newly installed, 2 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[12:53] <chibifs> I'm setting up an old laptop from 1996.
[12:53] <Matt|> >_>
[12:53] <Matt|> <_<
[12:53] <chibifs> :P
[12:53] <Tsjoklat> well I guess I have to wait for 'new version' of the unknown
[12:54] <nixman> why is it that i cannot switch to root using su from the terminal ?
[12:54] <xenonite> [ZACK] : right click on the music file, then properties
[12:54] <[ZACK] > thanks xenon
[12:54] <xenonite> [ZACK] : then open with
[12:54] <Matt|> lol
[12:54] <xenonite> alright :)
[12:55] <Matt|> hopefully you weren't about to tell him something really important
[12:55] <xenonite> yes, but he left his IP ;)
[12:55] <Matt|> ?
[12:56] <Matt|> you can tell him in morse code power cycling his pc?
[12:56] <xenonite> hehe lol
[12:56] <Tzalidar> does anyone have a quick awnser on howto select the default sound card
[12:56] <Tzalidar> i remember one guy told me a really neat way of selecting it
[12:58] <Matt|> Tzalidar, i don't understand the question
[12:58] <Tzalidar> but i cant remember it
[12:58] <Matt|> Tzalidar, you have more than one soundcard?
[12:58] <Tzalidar> yup
[12:58] <Matt|> ah
[12:58] <Tzalidar> one onboard and a audigy
[12:58] <Tzalidar> onboard is default right now
[12:58] <Tzalidar> but i dont use it
[12:58] <epod> How do I add an item to the gnome menu?
[12:58] <Tzalidar> i know there is a neat way of doing this
[12:58] <Tzalidar> but i cant remember it
[12:58] <Matt|> epod, right click on the submenu you want to add it in, and select add new item
[12:58] <epod> Matt|, that doesn't seem to be working...
[12:58] <Matt|> epod, sorry: right click inside the submenu you want to add it in, and select ENTIRE MENU --> new item
[12:58] <epod> ahh
[12:58] <xenonite> k3b can't find my cd-recorder... what can i do?
[12:58] <Matt|> i am so scared of this dist-upgrade...
[12:59] <epod> Matt|, thanks :)
[12:59] <xenonite> why not?
[12:59] <Matt|> xenonite, not sure i'm rubbish at cd-r
[12:59] <mirak> seb128: the lack of package, but hoary seems to have them all
[12:59] <seb128> mirak: ubuntu has more packages than debian
[01:00] <seb128> mirak: I would not call that a lack of package
[01:00] <mirak> seb128: how ?
[01:00] <Matt|> lol
[01:00] <Matt|> more than debian?
[01:00] <seb128> mirak: it contains the whole debian archive and some extra stuff like mplayer
[01:00] <mirak> seb128: mmm right, I added the sources for debian
[01:00] <Matt|> i thought debian had an infinite number of packages
[01:01] <seb128> mirak: no, don't
[01:01] <mirak> seb128: there is not freenx in it it sems
[01:01] <mirak> seems
[01:01] <seb128> don't use the debian source
[01:01] <seb128> universe universe for ubuntu
[01:01] <mirak> seb128: I mean I did it on debian to have mplayer
[01:01] <guestuser> hey, i have 2 questions
[01:01] <Matt|> hi guestuser
[01:01] <guestuser> i have a background image but i dont want to manualy set it every session, is there a way to make it default
[01:01] <Matt|> yes
[01:01] <guestuser> and 2: i tried to edit the fluxbox menu so that aterm would be abit transparant when i open it but that doesnt seem to work
[01:02] <Matt|> guestuser, when you change the background, it remembers it
[01:02] <Matt|> ah you are using fluxbox
[01:02] <Tzalidar> YES!! i found the solution :) options snd_emu10k1 index=0
[01:02] <guestuser> yes
[01:02] <Matt|> then background goes in the fluxbox config
[01:02] <Tzalidar> in modprobe.d file
[01:02] <Tzalidar> * a modprobe.d file
[01:02] <epod> yay postal 2 runs.
[01:02] <Matt|> which is /home/guestuser/.fluxbox/something.conf
[01:03] <guestuser> k
[01:03] <Matt|> as for aterm: i don't think that that kind of transparency works with fluxbox
[01:03] <guestuser> well i can do it manualy
[01:04] <guestuser> but then its just for 1 session
[01:04] <Matt|> oh
[01:04] <Matt|> xchat transparency does not work in fluxbox ;/
[01:04] <xenonite> k3b can't find my cd-recorder... what can i do?
[01:04] <mirak> seb128: I was wondering, how can ubuntu maintain so much packages ?
[01:04] <housetier> Matt| it should if you set the background right
[01:04] <guestuser> in my fluxbox directory there arnt .conf files what to do?
[01:04] <guestuser> matt: on linux i use irssi
[01:04] <mirak> seb128: is it automated or something ?
[01:05] <Matt|> housetier, xchat gave me a message saying, your window manager isn't good enough
[01:05] <Matt|> mirak, debian do it
[01:05] <Matt|> guestuser, what have you got in ~/.fluxbox?
[01:05] <Matt|> preferences?
[01:05] <mirak> Matt|: so how do you convert them to ubuntu ?
[01:05] <Matt|> mirak, you don't have to
[01:06] <guestuser> bsetbg ( an empty file ), init, keys, menu, menu.save, slitlist
[01:06] <Matt|> ok it's init
[01:06] <Matt|> edit it and look for a line with the background in
[01:06] <guestuser> k
[01:06] <Matt|> sorry i couldn't remember the filename :(
[01:07] <Matt|> guestuser, maybe you'll find the answer to your other problem somewhere in there too :)
[01:07] <Matt|> guestuser, you don't like gnome huh?
[01:07] <seb128> mirak: all the debian packages are imported and ubuntu work over these packages
[01:07] <Matt|> oh really
[01:07] <Matt|> i didn't know that
[01:07] <Matt|> cool
[01:08] <Matt|> the process is automated i guess
[01:08] <guestuser> Matt|, im just experimenting with things, i already have gnome configured to my likings conserning the background
[01:08] <Matt|> guestuser, ok cool
[01:08] <guestuser> there is no linw with background in it in the init file
[01:08] <Matt|> guestuser, damn
[01:09] <Matt|> guestuser, it is def. in there somewhere, might not have actual word "background"
[01:09] <Matt|> i never had a bsetbg file tho don't know about that
[01:10] <guestuser> maybe it is in the style configuration, there is noting wich looks like it could be the background option
[01:10] <guestuser> i prolly created it whyle messing with stuff as its empty
[01:10] <Matt|> oh
[01:10] <Matt|> brb
[01:10] <Matt|> i'll have a look on my other pc, which has fluxbox
[01:11] <guestuser> thanks
[01:11] <Matt|> ok found it
[01:12] <Matt|> session.screen0.rootCommand:    fbsetbg -f /home/matt/desktops/gentoo/1280x1024/gentoo_tux_v.png
[01:12] <Mojo_Jojo> hi, does anyone here use sound-juicer?
[01:14] <guestuser> matt, i changed the line to contain my path to the image but when i relogin to fluxbox it isnt set as background
[01:14] <Tyche> Is there a ximian install for Ubuntu? or is the ximian safe to install?
[01:14] <Matt|> guestuser, do you get an error?
[01:14] <guestuser> no, it looks like it ignores it
[01:14] <guestuser> but the line isnt signed out using a # or something
[01:15] <Matt|> perhaps delete the empty file?
[01:15] <guestuser> ill try
[01:15] <Matt|> guestuser, make sure you have the command fbsetbg?
[01:16] <Matt|> guestuser, i seem to remember also that fsbetgb uses a difference command to draw the background. I had to install it separately. But i remember it giving me an error
[01:16] <[Siff] > how can i set nautilus to launch in browser mode instead of spawning a trillion windows?
[01:17] <guestuser> im reloggin in now
[01:17] <RageMax> what are the resources for unstable?
[01:17] <Matt|> [Siff] , run gconf-editor
[01:17] <Matt|> [Siff] , browse to apps --> nautilus --> preferences
[01:18] <Matt|> change the value of "always use browser" to "true"
[01:19] <Matt|> [Siff] , that is really annoying I agree. Should be set to that on default
[01:19] <[ZACK] > hey, i just apt-got Enlightenment. How do I make this one of my choices when I choose my session type?
[01:19] <kensai> Can I just use hoary sources to get some packages like gtk-gnutella and then keep warty again in my sources and everything wil be fine?
[01:20] <mjr> kensai, well. You can certainly try your luck, but nothing's guaranteed :)
[01:20] <Matt|> lol
[01:20] <mjr> I did, though, get galeon from Hoary with no apparent ill effects
[01:20] <mjr> so far, at least :)
[01:20] <kensai> Ok then I'll not try with that answer you scare me
[01:20] <ys> how do i install a sound theme in gnome?
[01:21] <kensai> I want the firefox in hoary
[01:21] <Matt|> lol
[01:21] <[ZACK] > hey, i just apt-got Enlightenment. How do I make this one of my choices when I choose my session type?
[01:21] <Tyche> I am looking to install something! What is good to have?
[01:21] <guestuser> matt, i deleted the file and editted the session.screen0.rootCommand: line your example using my own file but its still not displaying my imsge
[01:22] <limaunion> hi for every smb mounted fs I have a desktop icon in GNOME, is there a way to avoid these icons ?
[01:22] <Matt|> guestuser, check the command exists
[01:22] <[ZACK] >  hey, i just apt-got Enlightenment. How do I make this one of my choices when I choose my session type?
[01:22] <Matt|> dunno [ZACK]
[01:23] <[ZACK] > ok
[01:23] <[ZACK] > anyone know?
[01:23] <dawnfading> hi
[01:23] <guestuser> matt, how do you mean, the session.screen0.rootCommand: line is in there
[01:23] <dawnfading> anyone using azureus on ubuntu?
[01:23] <xenonite> how can i rotate jpeg images losslessly?
[01:23] <limaunion> dawnfading: me
[01:23] <mjr> xenonite, with jpegtran
[01:23] <dawnfading> problems with the TCP port settings?
[01:23] <xenonite> dawnfading: download java before
[01:23] <xenonite> mjr thanks
[01:24] <dawnfading> i'm getting a nasty 6881 NAT error
[01:24] <dawnfading> azureus is working fine
[01:24] <mjr> (package libjpeg-progs in universe)
[01:24] <Matt|> guestuser, try the command fbsetbg in a terminal to make sure it exists
[01:24] <dawnfading> but when i test the TCP i get a nat error
[01:24] <xenonite> dawnfading: firewall?
[01:24] <limaunion> dawnfading: no, not here, anyway I don't use the default port
[01:24] <dawnfading> i have a fresh ubuntu install
[01:24] <dawnfading> so i don't have a clue how to find the fix in ubuntu
[01:24] <dawnfading> (or what firewall is used)
[01:24] <[ZACK] > DOES ANYONE KNOW A COMMAND OR A WAY TO GET ENLIGHTENMENT AS MY DEFAULT GUI OR AT LEAST ON THE LIST?
[01:24] <[ZACK] > whoops
[01:24] <[ZACK] > caps
[01:24] <[ZACK] > sorry
[01:25] <Matt|> [ZACK] , i know how to get it as default
[01:25] <Matt|> edit ~/.desktop
[01:25] <guestuser> maat, in my case it isnt fbsetbg but just bsetbg, ill try that in the init file
[01:25] <limaunion> dawnfading: you mean when you perform the self-test from azureuz?
[01:25] <Matt|> guestuser, good idea
[01:25] <dawnfading> limaunion> what port can you use then?
[01:25] <dawnfading> yes limaunion
[01:26] <guestuser> hmm, 'bsetbg: default configuration was created in /home/guestuser/.fluxbox/bsetbg'
[01:26] <limaunion> dawnfading: azururez lets you use whatever port you want, it's transparent for the peer
[01:26] <guestuser> thats what is displayerd after settng my background image but it isnt default
[01:26] <[ZACK] > Matt|, how do I do it again?
[01:27] <limaunion> dawnfading: well, i think that I got the same error but it's working ok, don't pay much attention to the self-test, just try it
[01:27] <dawnfading> ok i'll try
[01:27] <dawnfading> so you have good download times?
[01:27] <Matt|> [ZACK] , "nano -w ~/.desktop
[01:27] <Matt|> "
[01:27] <limaunion> dawnfading: full available bandwidth
[01:27] <rasher> Can anyone point me at where to configure linux-wlan-ng drivers? The prism2_usb driver is loaded, but that's about it.
[01:28] <Matt|> [ZACK]  put in desktop="enlightenment"
[01:28] <guestuser> matt: its default now, i removed the -f flag ( whats that for anyway ) and used bsetbg instead of bgsetbg
[01:28] <guestuser> thanks :D
[01:28] <dawnfading> sounds nice ;-)
[01:28] <Matt|> guestuser, glad it's working
[01:29] <Matt|> [ZACK] , actually this might not work if you're using gdm
[01:29] <limaunion> dawnfading: sure ;)
[01:31] <trickie> I upgraded the repositories in Synaptic to use the hoary release, it it couldn't find the respositories... i am using AMD64
[01:31] <guestuser> any suggestions on the eterm thing aswel matt?
[01:31] <trickie> is it just as simple as upgrading the sources.list
[01:31] <trickie> ?
[01:32] <Striss> trickie, it should be
[01:32] <Striss> thats all i did
[01:32] <Matt|> guestuser, how do you get it to work manually?
[01:32] <Striss> just chance every instance of warty to hoary
[01:32] <Striss> chance=change
[01:32] <trickie> k
[01:33] <zenwhen> Any Ubuntu devs in here?
[01:33] <dawnfading> limaunion, do you have some URL so i can try out azureus
[01:33] <dawnfading> the torrents i'm trying now don't seem to do much
[01:33] <dawnfading> any test is fine
[01:33] <kensai> when will upgrading to hoary will be safe?
[01:33] <guestuser> matt: 'aterm -tr -trsb' it opens a new aterm windows but that is transparant, only 2 probs with that, 1) if i close the old window it closes the transparant window aswel and 2) its 100% transparant
[01:34] <Striss> i havent had a problem with hoary at all
[01:34] <mirak> dawnfading: I must install java
[01:34] <kensai> I just had one prob with hoary the clock applet in gnome got broken
[01:34] <Striss> i stopped using gnome since i upgraded tho, i'm using fluxbox now
[01:34] <dawnfading> how do you mean mirak?
[01:34] <Striss> i love flux
[01:35] <kensai> maybe I should try flux
[01:35] <limaunion> dawnfading: just make a simple google search for bittorrent, you'll find a lot of sites...
[01:36] <Striss> its great if you want a lightweight window manager
[01:36] <Striss> without all the gnome bulk
[01:36] <dawnfading> i have some torrents, but they're all red grey or yellow
[01:36] <Striss> it depends on what you're using your desktop for i guess
[01:36] <dawnfading> never had a green one
[01:36] <dawnfading> is this normal?
[01:36] <cardador> anyone knows how to get an USB adsl modem working in Ubuntu?
[01:36] <Matt|> guestuser, how are you opening aterm?
[01:36] <Matt|> cardador, i did it in gentoo maybe I can help a bit
[01:36] <Striss> dawnfading, a torrent will go green when you've uploaded a certain amount more than you've downloaded
[01:36] <Striss> once your ratio goes past 1:1 or something
[01:36] <cardador> Matt|: thanks. whats the procedure?
[01:36] <Matt|> cardador, it took me 2 weeks
[01:36] <Matt|> cardador, what is the modem
[01:36] <guestuser> matt: right mouse button in the desktop and then 'Shells --> Aterm'
[01:36] <cardador> Matt|: motorola sb 6200
[01:36] <Matt|> oh damn
[01:37] <guestuser> usb i spose
[01:37] <mirak> dawnfading: it means you need java virtual machine to run azureus
[01:37] <cardador> Matt|: i had it working in Xandros
[01:37] <dawnfading> tnx Striss
[01:37] <cardador> Matt|: with CDCEther
[01:37] <dawnfading> ok, at least 'something' is downloading ;-)
[01:37] <Striss> i use btdownloadcurses so i don't see any colors on my torrents
[01:37] <Matt|> guestuser, you need to edit the menu
[01:37] <dawnfading> tnx limaunion
[01:37] <cardador> Matt|: but i cant find it on Ubuntu
[01:38] <RageMax> so how do I upgrade the system to unstable?
[01:38] <guestuser> matt: i tried that but what i tried didnt work
[01:38] <Matt|> cardador, better download it then :(
[01:38] <jdub> RageMax: you want to upgrade an ubuntu system to debian unstable?
[01:38] <RageMax> no, to ubuntu unstable
[01:38] <jdub> 'hoary'
[01:38] <cardador> RageMax: thats ubuntu hoary :)
[01:39] <RageMax> yes
[01:39] <Matt|> RageMax, change every instance of warty to hoary in your synaptic repositories
[01:39] <jdub> RageMax: are you sure? :)
[01:39] <RageMax> I'm pretty sure, is it really, really unstable?
[01:39] <jdub> it's going to get hairy
[01:39] <Matt|> lol
[01:39] <Matt|> i'm just doing it now
[01:39] <RageMax> or about as unstable as debian unstable
[01:39] <jdub> if you're familiar with debian, you should be okay
[01:39] <jdub> RageMax: well, it starts off synchronised with debian unstable
[01:40] <jdub> RageMax: but with our changes on top
[01:40] <RageMax> ah ok
[01:40] <cardador> RageMax: i havent had any problems with it
[01:40] <limaunion> dawnfading: np
[01:40] <RageMax> the worst thing that I've had occur with unstable is when someone messed up the glibc package
[01:40] <Matt|> guestuser, paste the relevant part of ~/.fluxbox/menu
[01:40] <RageMax> that wasn't fun
[01:40] <stuNNed> upon boot how can i get snd_intel8x0 to load but not snd_intel8x0m?
[01:40] <RageMax> is the full gnome 2.9 in there yet?
[01:41] <ys> i want to change my splash image what do i put in for the value in gconf?
[01:41] <kensai> jdub: I got the clock-applet in gnome "hoary" broken this is fixed with just another update soon?
[01:41] <ys> the location of the file?
[01:41] <Matt|> ys, yup
[01:41] <jdub> kensai: worksforme
[01:41] <Matt|> ys you can do it in the gui: computer --> system config --> login screen
[01:41] <stuNNed> jdub: hi, how can i prevent snd_intel8x0m from loading when system boots?
[01:42] <b_e_n_z> http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/software/2004/0411051105.asp?A=LIN&S=Open%20Source&O=FPT
[01:42] <cardador> Matt|: thats gdm login, he wants splash screen
[01:42] <b_e_n_z> according to that article, there was some outrage in the debian community...
[01:42] <kensai> jdub: I'll try and upgrade to hoary again I reinstalled ;) It was a new installation so nothing was loss
[01:43] <Matt|> oh sorry
[01:44] <dawnfading> tnx for the tips, goodnight!
[01:45] <kensai> When is Xorg comig out?
[01:46] <stuNNed> how do i stop a module from loading when system boots?
[01:46] <Matt|> kensai, few days
[01:46] <cardador> stuNNed: edit /etc/modules
[01:47] <kensai> I want to install project Looking Glass from Sun Microsystems again but I need Xorg ;)
[01:47] <stuNNed> cardador: all modules that are installed are listed there?
[01:48] <Tyche> exit
[01:48] <Tyche> =)
[01:49] <jdub> kensai: there'll be a panel and gaim update coming through to fix the clock issue
[01:49] <jdub> (and gaim not working)
[01:50] <Matt|> kensai is project looking glass released?
[01:50] <cardador> stuNNed: not sure
[01:50] <stuNNed> cardador: ok thanks
[01:57] <limaunion> hi is php ready for use with apache 1.3x or do I have to tweak a lot to get it working ?
[01:57] <minaural> apache and php are two peas on a pod
[01:58] <minaural> if you had said apache2 and php5 it is a different sotry
[01:58] <Matt|> minaural, would you be able to tell me how to allow directory listings to be viewed by visitors to my site under apache2?
[01:59] <limaunion> minaural: ok I'll have to investigate a little more...
[01:59] <minaural> erm edit your apache conf file and add +Indexes
[01:59] <Matt|> minaural, whereabouts?
[01:59] <minaural> in the <Directory>
[01:59] <minaural> you should have a <Directory /var/htdocs> or something
[01:59] <minaural> where /var/htdcos is your root web directory
[02:00] <Matt|> DocumentRoot /var/www/localhost/htdocs/
[02:00] <minaural> below that is DirectoryOptions
[02:00] <minaural> add +Indexs to that
[02:00] <minaural> most likely its -Indexes atm
[02:00] <Matt|> i don't have any of that
[02:01] <Matt|> in fact i don't have any <> signs at all
[02:01] <minaural> er
[02:01] <limaunion> minaural: sorry my english is not so good, you mean that's very easy with 1.3x, right ?
[02:01] <minaural> what file are you look at?
[02:01] <Gervystar> Hi i've a laptop that can boot only from floppy and i'd like to install ubuntu on it. I've managed to start the sarge installer from floppy and to load root.img from a usb-key. I'm wondering if there's a way to boot directly ubuntu (kernel from a floppy and root/installer from usb-key). Any idea?
[02:01] <minaural> limaunion: i dont know how easy it is to install if have never done it, but it terms of not having bugs its great
[02:02] <limaunion> minaural: ok, thanks.
[02:02] <rasher> limaunion: on Debian at least it's literally as easy as apt-get install apache php4 - can't imagine it's harder in ubuntu
[02:02] <rasher> (or the synaptic equivalent)
[02:03] <minaural> yah dbain or gentoo is very easy
[02:03] <minaural> debian*
[02:03] <minaural> and ubuntu the same thing
[02:03] <limaunion> rasher: thanks for the info, i must go now, see you later!
[02:04] <jmhodges> anyone played with any tablets ?
[02:04] <imposter_mirak> poop
[02:04] <khronic> interesting
[02:05] <stuNNed> alsa loads intel8x0m, how do i stop this?
[02:06] <GammaRay> alsa depends on your distro to load modules
[02:07] <stuNNed> GammaRay: ok, but i think snd_intel8x0m is stopping hsf modem drivers to install properly so would rather not have it lod
[02:07] <stuNNed> lod/load
[02:08] <GammaRay> is there an /etc/init.d/alsa or /etc/init.d/sound ?
[02:08] <Tsjoklat> hey all
[02:08] <stuNNed> yes there is an /etc/init.d/alsa
[02:08] <khronic> hi person
[02:08] <usual> hi
[02:08] <khronic> hi?
[02:09] <GammaRay> stuNNed: for now I'd just manually remove the sound module and see if it is actually the problem
[02:09] <menator> anyone use mono and glade?
[02:09] <stuNNed> GammaRay: it's locked with all the other alsa modules, i can't seem to remove i t
[02:09] <trickie> anyone got a good Mono dev env up and running? You just build from src? Any deb's?
[02:11] <GammaRay> stuNNed: mdk does it this way: in /etc/modprobe.conf there is an alias sound-slot-0 which mdk loads through either of those scripts.
[02:11] <shampoo> Hi everyone
[02:11] <GammaRay> I'm not sure which..
[02:12] <shampoo> i am using the live CD and I would like to know if there is a FAQ which explains if it is possible to store my home dir on a USB drive
[02:12] <Pizbit> shampoo: Change to fstab to point to the USB drive for /home/ ?
[02:13] <shampoo> hmm.
[02:13] <GammaRay> stuNNed: just looked.. it's /etc/init.d/sound here.. so you distro works the same.. you could disable that script from loading
[02:13] <shampoo> because I would like to save my settings
[02:13] <Tsjoklat> well updated, rebooted and still no luck with the trash applet :|
[02:13] <shampoo> is there a param I can pass at bootup to change fstab ?
[02:14] <GammaRay> stuNNed: or perhaps /etc/init.d/sound stop might do it
[02:14] <stuNNed> GammaRay: it's /etc/init.d/sound in ubuntu? :)
[02:15] <stuNNed> GammaRay: i'll try, unfortunately keep having to reboot into windows to get net connect
[02:15] <stuNNed> GammaRay: right now downloading an hsf modem .deb file
[02:16] <GammaRay> stuNNed: heh.. I have a ubuntu box in the other room
[02:17] <redemption> Hello
[02:17] <redemption> Anyone alive?
[02:17] <stuNNed> GammaRay: ok, one more try, wish me luck!
[02:18] <redemption> goodluck
[02:19] <redemption> Hey I was having a problem with als, perhaps someone could help me with it?
[02:19] <redemption> alsa
[02:21] <draconian> alsa?
[02:21] <redemption> I'm trying to play et while using teamspeak.  I have alsa installed as ubuntu installed it( i.e. I haven't touched it.)
[02:21] <redemption> I have oss emulation enabled.
[02:22] <redemption> and I have a SBlive that has a hardware mixer.
[02:22] <draconian> did you go in the terminal and try alsamixer
[02:22] <redemption> yeah.
[02:22] <draconian> alsaconf
[02:23] <redemption> the problem is et trys to grab the /dev/dsp device and the hardware mixer doesn't seem to be enabled.
[02:24] <redemption> any ideas?
[02:24] <draconian> thinking
[02:24] <draconian> :)
[02:24] <regeya> I suppose the important question of the day is: QDesign codec for Xine--is it possible?  I really couldn't tell you why I'm trying...
[02:25] <draconian> were enable the hardware mixer before?
[02:25] <draconian> able
[02:25] <draconian> damn sorry bad grammar
[02:25] <Matt|> redemption, i don't know much about audio, but i had to add /dev/.mixer to the mplayer preferences on my rig
[02:26] <Matt|> instead of /dev/mixer
[02:26] <redemption> well, I'm not to up on the sound infrastructure for linux, but my previous distribution was knoppix without also (i.e. oss) and the hardware mixing worked fisne then.
[02:26] <redemption> also =alsa
[02:26] <redemption> heh, I type to fast when I should edit my writing.
[02:26] <draconian> heh ya i do that too
[02:27] <redemption> mattl, the problem is et wants to grab the entire device instead of one of the channels for /dev/dsp.
[02:27] <redemption> and you can't change what device et grabs.
[02:28] <Matt|> ok
[02:28] <Matt|> :/
[02:28] <redemption> thanks though.
[02:32] <Matt|> hope you get it working
[02:32] <Matt|> i'm off to bed
[02:32] <Matt|> nite
[02:32] <redemption> night
[02:34] <redemption> reboot. lates
[02:44] <dialtone> if I need win32codecs I should add marillat repository but using testing or unstable? (running hoary here)
[02:44] <fissy> does samba run by default?
[02:46] <stuNNed> man, can't get hsf modem drivers to load for cr*p
[02:48] <Tsjoklat> hey Pizbit
[02:50] <GammaRay> dialtone: testing
[02:50] <Pizbit_> hey
[02:52] <Tsjoklat> Piz are you on hoary?
[02:53] <Pizbit_> Nope
[02:53] <Pizbit_> Don't plan on it either for some months.
[02:54] <Tsjoklat> wb Piz
[02:54] <Pizbit> Yeah, router died again, no idea why
[02:54] <fissy> what does ubuntu have running on port 981?
[02:54] <Tsjoklat> I am re-installing ubu
[02:55] <Tsjoklat> can't deal with hoary for now
[02:55] <GammaRay> fissy: sudo lsof -i:981
[02:56] <Agabus> hey all
[02:56] <Tsjoklat> hey Aga
[02:56] <fissy> GammaRay, famd, and being run by my usual user despite it being a priveleged port?
[02:56] <fissy> why does famd need network access?
[02:57] <Pizbit> fissy: Are you sure that's on the external interface and not the loopback?
[02:57] <Tsjoklat> wb mercurus
[02:57] <Agabus> i was wondering, i'll be installing Ubuntu in like an hour or so, the install is text based right? and do u have to manually parition??
[02:57] <fissy> Pizbit, good point, i port scanned myself in the absence of anyone else. but still, why does it need to be there?
[02:58] <Pizbit> Agabus: You can tell it to just use all of a HD in which case it'll partition it itself, else you'll have too do it manually(or select already partitioned partitions)
[02:58] <Pizbit> fissy: To talk to stuff?
[02:58] <mercurus> cheers Tsjoklat
[02:58] <Agabus> Pizbit: oh ok yeh i'll just let it use the whole hard drive
[02:58] <fissy> why not use unix sockets like anything else if its not accessible from other computers?
[02:59] <Pizbit> No idea, I hate famd:)
[02:59] <fissy> hmm ok
[02:59] <fissy> one other one, 'sunrpc' running on 111?
[02:59] <moltek> hi
[02:59] <fissy> hi
[02:59] <Agabus> hey does anyone here have a dvd burner? if so, do u know how to compress DVD9 to single layer dvds on linux?? just like dvd shrink does in windows
[03:00] <moltek> i have a very strange problem, i hope someone can help me....
[03:00] <Pizbit> fissy: Ubuntu by default doesn't open any external ports iirc
[03:00] <Pizbit> moltek: Only if you say what it is
[03:00] <moltek> I deleted my user account (dont ask why)
[03:00] <fissy> Pizbit, i'm sure i haven't added anything network wise
[03:00] <moltek> and I cant get into root
[03:00] <moltek> sudo -s is not like root
[03:00] <fissy> i'm doubly sure i didn't install famd
[03:01] <moltek> and I need to add the user again or reinstall ubuntu i guess
[03:01] <Pizbit> fissy: famd comes in with gnome/etc
[03:01] <Pizbit> moltek: Boot into rescue mode
[03:01] <fissy> well yeah, and gnome is a default part of ubuntu Pizbit
[03:01] <moltek> Pizbit: aha... how ?
[03:01] <Pizbit> fissy: I really hadn't noticed.
[03:01] <fissy> :P
[03:01] <moltek> It boots straight away
[03:01] <Pizbit> moltek: I belive you hit ESC when grub is first mentioned during the boot process
[03:01] <fissy> the point is, *I* didn't do it, Ubuntu has mystically opened up this port for me
[03:02] <moltek> Pizbit: ok, i see
[03:02] <moltek> Pizbit: Ill try it
[03:02] <moltek> Pizbit: thanks
[03:02] <Pizbit> Not sure what rescue mode gives you exactly, not having done it
[03:02] <moltek> Pizbit: at least its something new for me
[03:02] <moltek> :D
[03:03] <moltek> Im desperate u know,.. anything is a new world XD
[03:03] <moltek> its says : root@ubuntu
[03:03] <moltek> sounds good
[03:05] <Pizbit> Know how to add a new user and all that?
[03:08] <moltek> Pizbit: yes, thanks
[03:08] <moltek> actually I have a question
[03:09] <moltek> If I have the whole system installed by a user called dan with UID 1000 can I change the UID without the system being affected ?
[03:09] <moltek> I need to change the UID
[03:09] <moltek> is it possible ?
[03:10] <Pizbit> You might have to change the UID on everything in the user's home directory to the new UID
[03:10] <moltek> hmm
[03:10] <Pizbit> Recursively, chmod should be able to do it.
[03:10] <Pizbit> Anyhow, gota get into a shower:) Laters
[03:11] <moltek> ok! thanks man
[03:11] <georgia> wouldnt the right tool be chown, rather than chmod?
[03:11] <moltek> i was just thinking that..
[03:11] <moltek> :P
[03:11] <Pizbit> Bah, they both start with ch:)
[03:11] <moltek> true
[03:11] <georgia> heh
[03:11] <Pizbit> *gone* *really*
[03:11] <georgia> enjoy the shower Pizbit
[03:11] <moltek> enjoy every drop
[03:13] <moltek> georgia: but chown doesnt change the UID, or ??
[03:13] <moltek> I just check the man page
[03:14] <georgia> if you specify a user, or uid it does
[03:14] <moltek> does it ?
[03:15] <georgia> according to the nampage i'm reading, yeah
[03:15] <moltek> chown /home/dan -R 501
[03:15] <moltek> ????
[03:15] <georgia> "If only a user name (or numeric user ID) is given, that user is made the owner of each given  file,  and the files' group is not changed."
[03:15] <LinuxJones> moltek, what are you trying to do ?
[03:15] <ys> what's a good program to use to download music?
[03:16] <Agabus> ys: bittorrent
[03:16] <keknehv> how do I run executable text files?
[03:16] <moltek> LinuxJones: I have a NFS server with my user with UID 501
[03:16] <ys> bit torrent is no good
[03:16] <moltek> LinuxJones: ubuntu defaults to UID 1000
[03:16] <Agabus> ys: no good? its great
[03:17] <ys> it's no good for me. i can't upload over a gig or i get booted of the school network
[03:17] <moltek> and because you cant root with ubuntu i couldnt change it , or at least i didnt find the way to do it
[03:17] <LinuxJones> moltek, your trying to change a directory and all files in it ?
[03:17] <ys> so a movie will get me banned for a week
[03:17] <ys> is there anything else?
[03:17] <ys> like a limewire
[03:17] <chutwig> ys: sounds like me, except i get banned for half a gig up in 7 days
[03:17] <GammaRay> bittorrent? heh
[03:17] <Agabus> ys: fair enough then. do u run linux or windows?
[03:17] <ys> linux
[03:17] <moltek> Im trying to change the UID to 501 , but i have the whole thing going on with all my conf/programs/docs to UID 1000
[03:17] <GammaRay> ys: amule or gtk-gnutella
[03:18] <moltek> i get errors when I log in,
[03:18] <Agabus> yeh i was gonna say amule
[03:18] <keknehv> How can I run executable text files? (start with #/bin/sh)
[03:18] <moltek> so now, I did the rescue mode, erased the user without the home dir, added the user with UID 501
[03:18] <GammaRay> keknehv: ./file
[03:18] <moltek> but im not sure if it will boot
[03:18] <keknehv> DOH!
[03:18] <keknehv> Thanks...
[03:19] <ys> gtk-gnutella was an ugly program that wouldn't connect to any host, so i'll try amule
[03:19] <moltek> amule is cool for me
[03:19] <vortex25> which java package should I install to run azureus?
[03:19] <Agabus> www.amule.org
[03:19] <GammaRay> ys: how long ago was that? :-P
[03:19] <ys> today
[03:19] <georgia> ys: gtk-gnutella takes a few minutes, but it works fine
[03:19] <GammaRay> ys: good luck downloading an mp3 w/ amule
[03:19] <GammaRay> ain't gonna happen.. for days
[03:20] <Agabus> GammaRay: i used to be under that impression aswell, but wen u learn how to use it, the ed2k network is quite fast
[03:20] <LinuxJones> moltek, sudo chown -R username:username /path/to/your/dir
[03:20] <GammaRay> amule beats gnutella in some ways.. and vice versa
[03:21] <GammaRay> Agabus: learn how to use it? bleh. it just sucks for small files
[03:21] <Agabus> i use a combination of bittorent and amule
[03:21] <Agabus> GammaRay: quite true, but u can find the rarest files and u will get them, u just have to wait. u can find almost anything u need on ed2k
[03:22] <GammaRay> the same can be said for gnutella
[03:22] <Agabus> cool then
[03:23] <GammaRay> I find the only difference between p2p nets is why people seem to share on them
[03:23] <moltek> LinuxJones: YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
[03:23] <moltek> IT WORKED, MY SYSTEM IS BACK!!!
[03:23] <GammaRay> err s/why/what
[03:23] <moltek> I LOVE YOU ALL
[03:23] <LinuxJones> moltek, ;)
[03:23] <georgia> moltek: lets get married then ;)
[03:23] <GammaRay> moltek: well pucker up then (-;
[03:23] <Agabus> GammaRay: are u saying u saying u don't believe that the p2p programs should make u share back what u have downloaded?
[03:23] <Pizbit> moltek: I'd rather you keept it strictly platonic:)
[03:24] <moltek> georgia: maybe , who knows ?
[03:24] <Tsjoklat> I just want my trash applet to work.. anyone that knows the answer I'll marry you if needed
[03:24] <Tsjoklat> lol
[03:24] <GammaRay> Agabus: meant what people share.. not why
[03:24] <georgia> Tsjoklat: whats wrong with it?
[03:24] <Tsjoklat> doesn't work anymore
[03:24] <Agabus> ah
[03:24] <Tsjoklat> can't drag files into it
[03:24] <georgia> at all?
[03:24] <GammaRay> Agabus: ie.. lots of movies on amule, few in gnutella.. but it could easily be reverse
[03:24] <Tsjoklat> it shows up as full if there are files in it
[03:24] <moltek> Pizbit: thats what ubuntu is isnt it ? I am what I am because of what we all are !!
[03:24] <ys> amule and xmule keep aborting
[03:24] <Tsjoklat> but my dragging option has been removed
[03:25] <Tsjoklat> and I like that so much!
[03:25] <GammaRay> ys: your network is probably blocking the needed ports
[03:25] <georgia> Tsjoklat: remove it, then add it again. i've seen the problem before, that fixed it
[03:25] <moltek> GammaRay: :D
[03:25] <Tsjoklat> remove what georgia?
[03:25] <georgia> the trash applet
[03:26] <georgia> click with the right mouse button and you get a menu, choose "remove from panel"
[03:26] <Tsjoklat> I dist-upgraded to hoary.. it removed my trash applet... when I want to reinstall it.. it wants to remove gnome-applets/gnome-applets-data and ubuntu-desktop
[03:26] <Tsjoklat> so I don't know what to do
[03:26] <georgia> ah
[03:26] <georgia> right.
[03:26] <Tsjoklat> seb said it is a bug of some sort
[03:27] <Tsjoklat> said to wait for a 'new' version
[03:27] <Tsjoklat> don't know for what version I am suppose to wait for.. gnome or ubu??
[03:27] <georgia> probably your best bet, if you've reported the bug
[03:27] <GammaRay> ys: on gnutella and amule.. you don't have much luck behind a firewall
[03:27] <Tsjoklat> if I have to wait for grumpy I rather stick with warty
[03:28] <Pizbit> Tsjoklat: That sounds like the best option if something as little as a trash can bothers you:)
[03:28] <Tsjoklat> I just hope somebody else has the same problem
[03:28] <Tsjoklat> well you know me Piz... :P
[03:28] <Tsjoklat> your suggestion would be to live with it
[03:29] <Pizbit> You could just use the delete key:)
[03:29] <Tsjoklat> heheh
[03:29] <georgia> i'd recommend sticking with warty. if you cant stand a few bugs, development code isnt for you
[03:29] <Tsjoklat> ok ok ok I get the idea and I shall zip up
[03:29] <sepheebear__> anybody had any luck building NetworkManager on PPC?
[03:29] <Agabus> from experience, how long does it take to do a fresh install of warty?
[03:29] <redemption> anyone know how to alter file associations graphically?
[03:30] <Pizbit> redemption: Right click on the file, hit properties and then "open with" tab
[03:32] <kensai> this problem I'm having with hoary:
[03:32] <kensai> The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_ClockApplet".
[03:32] <kensai> Details: Failed to resolve, or extend '!prefs_key=/apps/panel/profiles/default/applets/clock/prefs;background=none:;orient=down;size=x-small;locked_down=false
[03:32] <kensai> Do you want to delete the applet from your configuration?
[03:33] <kensai> What should I do delete it from configuration?
[03:34] <sepheebear__> i only get this message "configure: error: wireless-tools 27.pre23 not installed or not functional"
[03:40] <SmokingFire> anyone read/hear about that opensource vm (vmware like)
[03:40] <SmokingFire> xen or somthing like that
[03:40] <moltek> i double mounted via NFS , if i try to umount it says device is busy... how do i umount it then ??? any ideas ???
[03:40] <hectorvs> hey guys, whats up
[03:40] <Pizbit> moltek: Is famd looking at it? Make sure you're not in that dir.
[03:40] <GammaRay> moltek: try umount -f
[03:40] <robertj> Agabus: 30 minutes?
[03:40] <hectorvs> i have a small question... is there a way to improve sound quality in ubuntu?
[03:40] <robertj> On a newish computer
[03:40] <robertj> Maybe 15 on a real hot-rod?
[03:40] <hectorvs> because right now its kinda bad, and only one app is allowed to use the sound
[03:40] <robertj> It's noticably more nimble than Fedora
[03:40] <Pizbit> Agabus: A lot of it is automated so you can just do the manual parts first then just go eat dinner;)
[03:40] <Pizbit> hectorvs: Set them all up to use esd and enable that, or look up dmix
[03:40] <moltek> Pizbit: illegal seek
[03:40] <robertj> there needs to be a install notouch=1
[03:40] <kensai> LOL I think gnome dev hear me the clockapplet error was fixed in an apt-get dist-upgrade right now
[03:40] <hectorvs> Pizbit: how do i set them up to use esd?
[03:40] <robertj> does anyone here know whats needed to get sdl games to play sound properly?
[03:42] <Pizbit> hectorvs: Look into the sound config for each app? For rhythmbox and totme-gst you'll have to go into gnome-control-center advanced and change the audio output in the multimedia systems selector
[03:43] <Pizbit> totem-gst even heh
[03:43] <CraHan> say, anyone know what happened to nautilus in the latest hoary update?
[03:44] <CraHan> looks like nautilus can't open pngs anymore
[03:44] <Pizbit> CraHan: Try re-setting the file association
[03:44] <CraHan> also the cdrom/disk icons in the computer folder show up as broken
[03:44] <CraHan> Pizbit: ok
[03:44] <kensai> CraHan: I did the last update and I can open .png with nautilus
[03:45] <CraHan> weird
[03:45] <CraHan> this is on ppc though
[03:45] <kensai> Ohh that may be the prob
[03:45] <CraHan> nautilus doesn't create thumbnails anymore either
[03:45] <CraHan> gimp opens png files fine, so I have the necessary png libs installed I guess
[03:46] <Sewdyn> I've got a problem with Ubuntu I use at school.  I've been using it at school to host a site with Apache2/PHP.
[03:46] <regeya> hm.
[03:47] <mercurus> CraHan: sounds like nautilus and pngs aren't communicating properly ... PizBit's sugestion sounds good, did it work ?
[03:47] <Sewdyn> I was messing around with the /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow files, and I cleared out the root hash and when I tried to 'passwd root' I got some authentication error.  Has anyone seen this?
[03:47] <CraHan> mercurus: trying now
[03:47] <regeya> I thought that xine supported qdesign audio.
[03:47] <vdr> hello can i ask a question  i have Ubuntu install and working fine now im trying to get it to see my usb Hard Drives How make Ubuntu see Them
[03:47] <regeya> I swear I've played trailers with qdesign audio in totem...on other systems.  maybe not.
[03:48] <CraHan> mercurus: erhm, excuse my ignorant question, but where in gnome does one set the fileassociations?
[03:49] <kensai> CraHan: right clicking the file and properties?
[03:49] <Pizbit> Right click on the file, hit properties and then "open with" tab
[03:49] <CraHan> ah ok :)
[03:49] <CraHan> what's normally set as the file association?
[03:49] <CraHan> for a graphics file?
[03:49] <Pizbit> Probably eog
[03:49] <CraHan> k
[03:50] <Sewdyn> Does anyone know about authentication errors from trying to access root ?
[03:50] <CraHan> hmmm
[03:50] <redemption> Pizbit, when I try to do that, it adds an association that will then appear under the open with window. It dosen't change the default left click association.
[03:50] <Pizbit> redemption: Click on the radio button to select the default app
[03:50] <mercurus> Sewdyn: have you set a root password ?
[03:51] <Sewdyn> I had one set from the installation and I tried to delete it by clearing the hash in /etc/shadow.
[03:51] <redemption> pizbit, :-) I try that, that don't unselect.
[03:51] <hectorvs> hey guys, anyone have any idea why the print manager crashes when setting up a SMB windows shared printer?
[03:51] <CraHan> "The filename blabla.png indicates that this file is of type "unknown".  The contents of the file indicate that the file is of type "png document".  If you open this file, the file might present a security risk to your system
[03:51] <Sewdyn> And now it's all messed up.  I didn't really know what I was doing.
[03:51] <ShadowHawk> Ack, I'm hitting too many open files error
[03:51] <CraHan> what the heck is that all about?
[03:51] <ShadowHawk> What do I do?
[03:51] <Pizbit> Meh, hoary:P
[03:51] <CraHan> Pizbit: yeah :)
[03:52] <shad0w913> hi
[03:52] <shad0w913> i need help :p
[03:52] <mercurus> root:*:12724:0:99999:7::: <-- is that what your /etc/shadow file looks like ?
[03:52] <Sewdyn> Yes, but I cleared that out.
[03:52] <Sewdyn> Should I set it back to that ?
[03:52] <mercurus> yes
[03:52] <shad0w913> is there anyone i can talk to individually, because it seems a little crouded for everyone to share their problems at once
[03:52] <mercurus> the * will prevent a root login
[03:53] <Pizbit> shad0w913: Just ask your question and then people will answer using your nick
[03:53] <Pizbit> And use their nick when responding
[03:53] <CraHan> yup
[03:53] <CraHan> it's with the latest hoary update
[03:53] <CraHan> the toshiba laptop has the same problem
[03:53] <Sewdyn> And if I set it back to that, mercurus, how will I log in ?
[03:54] <CraHan> both laptops (toshiba and ibook) don't show the disk icons anymore and don't open gfx file :)
[03:54] <CraHan> gonna have to wait to do an apt-get update
[03:54] <mercurus> Sewdyn: login as root ? or login as a normal user /
[03:54] <Sewdyn> ? as the password ?
[03:54] <mercurus> if root has no password, you use "sudo" to administer the system
[03:54] <mercurus> all you do is:
[03:54] <mercurus> sudo command options
[03:55] <mercurus> it'll prompt for a password
[03:55] <mercurus> enter your USER password
[03:55] <mercurus> and away you go
[03:55] <shad0w913> ok heres my problem, well my first: I'm on a compaq presario laptop and the battery meter doesn't work at all. I went into the synaptics thing, and it tells me that ACPI and APM are installed, but as far as I know, they don't seem to be doing anything.
[03:55] <wims> use for instace sudo passwd root
[03:56] <Sewdyn> Yeah but
[03:56] <Sewdyn> When I tried to passwd root
[03:56] <Sewdyn> It gave me the authentication error.
[03:57] <mercurus> Sewdyn: you're not making a lot of sense ... can you start from the beginning please ?
[03:57] <Sewdyn> The problem is
[03:57] <mercurus> what have you done, and what are you trying to do ?
[03:57] <Sewdyn> I did clear out root and everything, but when I went back into root to set a new password, it gave me an authentication error.
[03:58] <Sewdyn> I'm trying to get it to set a new password so it'll work like it did before, heh.
[03:58] <mercurus> what is "root and everything" ?
[03:58] <mercurus> and from where ?
[03:58] <mercurus> what is left in /etc/shadow ?
[03:58] <Sewdyn> Oh.  I mean, the hash for root inside /etc/shadow.
[03:58] <GammaRay> at the end of the install it gave me a command to "revisist" the installer.. what might that have been?
[03:58] <mercurus> and /etc/passwd ?
[03:58] <shad0w913> can anyone help me?
[03:58] <Sewdyn> Not sure if I cleaned the hash from /etc/passwd.   I have not actually done anythjing wrong but I am exploring
[04:00] <Sewdyn> So set it as  root:*:12724:0:99999:7:: ?
[04:00] <mercurus> yes
[04:01] <Sewdyn> And would I need to set anything else in passwd ?
[04:01] <Sewdyn> Or would I need to make any new user accounts and set them too?
[04:01] <moltek> me again... I installed the whole system and the user defaults to UID 1000, ok , i managed to change the UID, i did chown the whole home DIR, but now i dont have permission to /dev/dsp , i cant listen to audio, Ive checked and the user is added to the group audio...
[04:01] <mercurus> if you haven't changed it, it should be fine
[04:01] <Sewdyn> I may have changed it ... I'm not even sure = (
[04:01] <Pizbit> moltek: Has the user logged out then in again?
[04:01] <mercurus> Sewdyn: ok, then let's see what's in it
[04:01] <Pizbit> moltek: Double check by running 'groups' as that user
[04:02] <moltek> Pizbit: ok..
[04:02] <mercurus> cat /etc/paswd grep root
[04:02] <Pizbit> To give you an idea, groups gives me 'pizbit adm dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev lpadmin scanner'
[04:02] <Sewdyn> I don't have the computer because I'm not at school.  Sorry = (
[04:03] <mercurus> Sewdyn: ok, assuming you didn't touch /etc/passwd you should be able to login as a normal user, and use sudo
[04:03] <Tyche> What was the wiki information for the w32codecs? Does anyone have that URL?
[04:03] <Sewdyn> And Sudo won't prompt for a password?
[04:03] <moltek> Pizbit: brilliant... :D
[04:03] <Agabus> yay ubuntu just finished downloading!
[04:04] <shad0w913> anyone?
[04:04] <shad0w913> pweeeaaaase
[04:04] <shad0w913> lol
[04:04] <hectorvs> Agabus, have fun! :)
[04:04] <moltek> Bobby Vinton - Blue Veltet Playing in XMMS... :D
[04:04] <Pizbit> Tyche: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:05] <Tyche> Pizbit: Thank You.
[04:05] <Pizbit> Wow, that link is still 1 per 1000 lines in here:)
[04:05] <shad0w913> :(
[04:05] <mercurus> Sewdyn: as I said, it'll prompt for your USER's password - not root's non-existent password
[04:07] <Sewdyn> Okay.  And this is product of root's password being default as  root:*:12724:0:99999:7:: ?
[04:07] <shad0w913> ok, lets try a different question: what if I went in to grub, turned off acpi, turned on APM (which is already installed), and then rebooted. Would that make the battery meter work?
[04:07] <mercurus> Sewdyn: no, it is the default.
[04:07] <Agabus> hectorvs: i will :D
[04:07] <mercurus> shad0w913: worth a shot
[04:07] <wims> it's your users password
[04:07] <Sewdyn> Okay.  And do you happen to know what I'd need to fix up if I had botched the passwd file too ?
[04:07] <Pizbit> shad0w913: Give it a go, can't hurt eh?
[04:07] <shad0w913> how do I make sure that the APM module is loaded, doesn't it have to be in some directory somewere?
[04:07] <Pizbit> shad0w913: Put it into /etc/modules
[04:07] <linux_galore> shad0w913: if its a intel based laptop I usually find having acpi on is a positive move also make sure the acpid daemon is active
[04:08] <mercurus> Sewdyn: if you botched passwd, you'll know about it ... you'll probably have to re-install or boot up from the install CD ... you won't be able to login
[04:08] <Pizbit> linux_galore: You didn't see the bit where he said his laptop doesn't work with acpi
[04:08] <shad0w913> well according to the docks and the forums, ACPI doesn't work with 1800 series compaqs :(
[04:08] <shad0w913> *docs
[04:08] <mercurus> eg. if you removed root's entry, you can't sudo as root ... because uid 0 won't resolve correctly
[04:08] <shad0w913> oops :p
[04:08] <Sewdyn> So... there's no way to fix that without reinstalling?
[04:08] <linux_galore> Pizbit: so its not an intel based laptop then ??
[04:08] <wims> without root you got a big problem
[04:08] <Pizbit> linux_galore: No idea
[04:08] <shad0w913> it's intel based, pentium III
[04:09] <mercurus> Sewdyn: yes, boot up with the install CD and repair /etc/passwd manuall
[04:09] <shad0w913> 600mhz, I think
[04:09] <shad0w913> maybe more
[04:09] <Sewdyn> And repairing /etc/passwd manually would consist of ... typing out new hashes for it?
[04:09] <shad0w913> how do i check to see if acpi is on?
[04:09] <mercurus> shadow: it is x86 which is what is important ;)
[04:09] <mercurus> Sewdyn: there won't be any hashes in /etc/passwd
[04:09] <linux_galore> shad0w913: yeah you need acpi and the acpid daemon running with that unit
[04:09] <mercurus> there will be basic information, the fields are shown in man /etc/passwd
[04:10] <mercurus> eg. root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash
[04:10] <hectorvs> hey guys, if I change between wireless networks alot, is there a way for ubuntu tu automagically detect the network its in and select the correct config (like wep)?
[04:11] <ys> when i 'apt-cache search direct connect' how do i make it search for both words together?
[04:11] <linux_galore> shad0w913: bet you only have the acpi module and you dont have the daemon running
[04:11] <ShadowHawk> How do I raise the number of open files allowed for a program like bittorrent?
[04:11] <desp> hello
[04:12] <[Mirak] > hi
[04:12] <desp> I remember reading a webpage regarding some controversy about the Ubuntu "circle of friends" photos...
[04:12] <desp> but I can't find it
[04:12] <mercurus> hmm ... I'm using a desktop ... and something I've removed has stopped the machine soft-powering off ... I have apmd, and acpid and associated packages ... what have I removed that I shouldn't ?
[04:12] <CraHan> hmmm
[04:12] <[Mirak] > they are gone
[04:12] <desp> can someone point me to it?
[04:12] <CraHan> sleep seems to hang the ibook
[04:12] <CraHan> closing the lide makes it sleep
[04:12] <CraHan> but opening it again hangs it
[04:12] <[Mirak] > desp, search for ubuntu calander
[04:13] <GammaRay> snd_via82xx is loaded for my sound card. How and where does it get loaded?
[04:13] <shad0w913> linux_galore: did you block IMs?
[04:13] <Sewdyn> Mercurus, say I got the install CD and booted it to repair passwd manually ... how would I do that?
[04:13] <linux_galore> mercurus: lsmod  see if acpi is loaded
[04:13] <RuffianSoldier> Debian :-p
[04:13] <shank_> is there a common problem with getting an md5sum error when trying to install?
[04:14] <Sewdyn> Edit the passwd file and replace it with defaults?
[04:14] <desp> ah, thanks [Mirak]
[04:14] <linux_galore> shad0w913: no just I have so many chats going your just got pushed to the back
[04:14] <RuffianSoldier> shank_, never heard of such a thing, so maybe......
[04:14] <shad0w913> oh, ok
[04:14] <GammaRay> on mandrake /etc/init.d/sound would load the proper module that /etc/modprobe.conf had an alias to
[04:14] <shank_> RuffianSoldier: yeah, it will not install on my laptop
[04:14] <linux_galore> shad0w913: nothing personal as they say
[04:14] <RuffianSoldier> shank_, ubuntu wont?
[04:14] <mercurus> Sewdyn: by putting what I typed above into the first line of /etc/passwd
[04:14] <shank_> the screen gets stuck at 34% constantly refreshing
[04:14] <shad0w913> it's fine, just try to get to it eventually ;)
[04:15] <Sewdyn> root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash ?
[04:15] <shank_> and on F4, there's an error about md5sum
[04:15] <RuffianSoldier> shank_, download Ubuntu from a different mirror, then burn a new ISO
[04:15] <shank_> RuffianSoldier: i checked the md5sum of the iso
[04:15] <shank_> its fine
[04:15] <mercurus> linux_galore: it isn't ... where does one put module loading instructions for Ubuntu ?
[04:15] <RuffianSoldier> strange
[04:15] <RuffianSoldier> it could be a hardware problem shank_
[04:16] <shank_> well, the laptop has fedora installed on it :-)
[04:16] <shank_> currently using it
[04:17] <CraHan> looks like I need to disable hal to be able to suspend
[04:18] <RuffianSoldier> shank_, Debian rules! All you need is Ubuntu
[04:20] <Tyche> Pizbit: Is there another repository then universe that will give you added repositories?
[04:20] <Tyche> Pizbit: I remember getting it off of the wiki site, but cannot find it, the name it had was "testing"
[04:20] <Tsjoklat> Tyche the merilat one
[04:21] <stuNNed_> well i had to physically remove snd_intel8x0m from the /lib/modules tree so that it would not load, putting it in /etc/hotplug/blacklist did nothing
[04:23] <Tyche> Tsjoklat: Yes, that is the one. I searched for that "merilat" is that the correct spelling?
[04:23] <desp> so is there a way to get the gnome-splash featuring the circle of friends guys?
[04:24] <GammaRay> stuNNed_: I'm pretty new to ubuntu. I just installed it yesterday.
[04:25] <GammaRay> stuNNed_: I've been looking around and I have no idea how it loads sound modules..
[04:25] <hectorvs> quick question, where are ubuntu wallpapers stored??
[04:25] <hectorvs> I added a read only file and now everytime i try to change the background the app crashes
[04:26] <dml> Tyche, marillat
[04:26] <yohannes> what do u guys think about limewire?
[04:27] <desp> yohannes: teh sux
[04:27] <Tsjoklat> not sure about the spelling Tyche
[04:27] <Tsjoklat> could be with a E or a A
[04:27] <yohannes> desp: what do u recommend?
[04:28] <Tsjoklat> brb
[04:28] <desp> the correct spelling is "marillat"
[04:29] <GammaRay> yohannes: gtk-gnutella is better, I know that
[04:30] <mdz> GammaRay: hotplug
[04:31] <GammaRay> hey, what's the command to show the current run level and the last one?
[04:31] <yohannes> how about xmule? any of u guys try it?
[04:31] <GammaRay> I use amule.. it's a fork of xmule
[04:31] <GammaRay> quite nice for large files.. as long as you can wait
[04:32] <GammaRay> mdz: thanks
[04:34] <stuNNed_> GammaRay, it's the module for audio from the modem is all, like i need that! :D
[04:35] <stuNNed_> GammaRay, i've had a few issues with ubuntu and sound but besides that it's been great!
[04:36] <yohannes> thanks guys
[04:36] <shank_> what version of firefox does ubuntu have?
[04:37] <bob2> which version of ubuntu?
[04:37] <bob2> warty has 0.9.3, hoary has rc1
[04:37] <WX> how do you enable cgi-bin access for each user?
[04:38] <WX> i added: <Directory /home/*/public_html/cgi-bin>
[04:38] <WX>         AllowOverride FileInfo AuthConfig Limit
[04:38] <WX>         Options All
[04:38] <WX>     </Directory>
[04:40] <bob2> ouchery
[04:41] <Tyche> Thanks dml and Tsjoklat I was able to find it with those suggestions. The correct spelling is Marillat
[04:41] <bob2> that has serious security implications, WX
[04:41] <WX> hehe
[04:41] <Tyche> Are there any other 'must have' repositories? I have the multiuniverse also.
[04:41] <WX> i realize... but i was only trying to make sure i didn't miss something
[04:41] <WX> but i must have somewhere
[04:41] <desp> I'm falling in love with Ubuntu
[04:42] <desp> that chocolate girl on the desktop is helping, too
[04:42] <ToGGY> mmmm
[04:42] <kensai> need help this is what I get when I try to run xmms:
[04:42] <kensai> libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[04:42] <kensai> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[04:42] <ToGGY> xmmms?
[04:42] <hectorvs> in which folder are the ubuntu wallpapers stored? (the ones that come by default?)
[04:42] <ToGGY> i just ran into that
[04:43] <ToGGY> kensai: search for mikmod in synaptic and install all the results
[04:43] <ToGGY> anyone wanna see my desktop?
[04:43] <RuffianSoldier> hey all
[04:43] <ToGGY> http://georgedubya.info/Screenshot.png
[04:44] <ToGGY> My ip ends in .255
[04:44] <kensai> ToGGY: Thanks everything fine now Thanks again
[04:44] <ToGGY> Yep
[04:44] <ToGGY> Now look at my screenshot!~
[04:44] <bob2> kensai: it's a bug in the nvidia drivers
[04:48] <bob2> kensai: install libmikmod2
[04:48] <hectorvs> this is not good
[04:48] <kensai> bob2: But is the first time this bug affects me this is my 3rd install of ubuntu
[04:48] <hectorvs> my gnome-background-properties program keeps on crashing every time i open it
[04:48] <bob2> hectorvs: /usr/share/backgrounds/
[04:48] <bob2> kensai: yes, it's a very weird bug
[04:48] <RuffianSoldier> I have a question.... Am I the only Ubuntu User/Lover (Tis my favorite distro) that uses KDE???
[04:48] <hectorvs> bob2: thanks a million
[04:48] <bob2> it only affects some people, sometime
[04:48] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: of course not
[04:48] <RuffianSoldier> who else uses Ubuntu In KDE?
[04:48] <bob2> hectorvs: (found that by doing dpkg -L ubuntu-artwork | grep background)
[04:48] <kensai> RuffianSoldier: I have kde installed and have used it
[04:48] <ToGGY> Gnome > KDE
[04:48] <RuffianSoldier> Cool, I always use KDE since I have it installed.  But Gnome is still awesome
[04:48] <kensai> RuffianSoldier: it is broken in some parts
[04:48] <RuffianSoldier> kensai, I got mine working great: KDE 3.2
[04:48] <hectorvs> bob2: thanks again, ill keep that in mind for future searches
[04:48] <ToGGY> Why aint there any OPS in here?
[04:48] <bob2> hectorvs: you're welcome
[04:48] <kensai> RuffianSoldier: Mine is working great but when I try to compile baghira theme it sasy I don't ahve some qt libraries some weird things too
[04:48] <bob2> ToGGY: there are
[04:48] <RuffianSoldier> ToGGY, |trey| is an op
[04:48] <bob2> just not currently +o
[04:48] <RuffianSoldier> he owns channel
[04:48] <kensai> But I don't mine Gnome is the better choice
[04:48] <kensai> *mind*
[04:48] <bob2> |trey| is not an op
[04:48] <RuffianSoldier> bob2, I was pretty sure he is!!!!
[04:49] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: well, he's not, and he doesn't own the channel either.
[04:49] <bob2> he just talks a lot.
[04:49] <RuffianSoldier> bob2, how come where it shows the name of the owner of the channel, it says |
[04:49] <kensai> bob2: "he just talks a lot."  LOL LOL LOL
[04:49] <RuffianSoldier> |trey|
[04:50] <EfaistOs> hi
[04:50] <EfaistOs> is the unstable version ok for a workstation ? nothing broking it right now ....
[04:51] <bob2> EfaistOs: it's usable, but I wouldn't run it if you want to be really sure nothing wil breakl
[04:51] <RuffianSoldier> :-(
[04:52] <EfaistOs> bob2, ok but i was using inkscape 0.39 in sid on debian and now it's only 0.38 in warty
[04:52] <EfaistOs> is there security for hoary also ?
[04:53] <jdub> no
[04:53] <kensai> there are some broken pacakges that come and go in a few minutes here in hoary
[04:53] <bob2> no
[04:53] <bob2> hoary has a similar security deal to sid
[04:53] <EfaistOs> kensai, like in sid ?
[04:53] <EfaistOs> so it's quite usable ...
[04:54] <kensai> EfaistOs: sometimes more unstable than SID
[04:55] <EfaistOs> arf ...
[04:55] <EfaistOs> by the way did someone try doom3 under linux ?
[04:56] <jdub> not necessarily more unstable
[04:56] <jdub> just faster
[04:56] <kensai> EfaistOs: But i told you it's a matter of minutes and there is a fix in apt-get -dist-upgrade
[04:56] <bob2> it's linux to the MAX
[04:57] <kensai> Is ubuntu localizing for spanish users?
[04:58] <RuffianSoldier> Im afraid of Huary hedgehog, Because I will want to use it, but then I will have to reformat and loose all my files and configurations!
[04:58] <RuffianSoldier> NOOO!
[04:58] <kensai> reformat why?
[04:58] <RuffianSoldier> umm, how else would I install it
[04:59] <kensai> apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:59] <RuffianSoldier> umm, can I do that when haury comes out?!?!
[04:59] <EfaistOs> haury ?
[04:59] <kensai> changing the sources.list to hoary instead of warty
[04:59] <ToGGY> SysInfo: uname: Linux <IP_ADDRESS>-3-k7 CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 3200+ 2090.649 MHz Bogomips: 4136.96 Mem: 835/1012M [||||||||||]  Diskspace: 55.99G Free: 54.00G Procs: 75 Uptime: 1 hr 18 mins 53 secs Load: 0.75 0.70 0.48  Screen: nVidia Corporation NV31 [GeForce FX 5600XT]  (rev a1) Screen Resolution: 1280x1024 (24 bpp) eth0: In: 477.17M Out: 23.21M
[05:00] <kensai> LoL haury sounds like a womens name
[05:00] <bob2> ToGGY: please fix your irc client so it never does that again
[05:00] <bob2> kensai: it's "hoary".
[05:00] <RuffianSoldier> kensai. Whorey Hedgehog
[05:00] <ToGGY> ;p;
[05:00] <kensai> bob2: I know is hoary
[05:00] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: you don't need to reformat anything.
[05:00] <kensai> bob2: I was just kidding
[05:00] <RuffianSoldier> bob2, explain
[05:02] <rublind> Who wants to help me fix my sound?
[05:02] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: just use warty.
[05:03] <kensai> rublind: what happened?
[05:03] <rublind> I just installed ubuntu, and it doesn't work.
[05:03] <rublind> I believe it's a hotplug problem.
[05:03] <RuffianSoldier> bob2, why?!?! why use an old version when the latest come out
[05:03] <bob2> why do you think that?
[05:03] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: hoary is not out yet.
[05:03] <rublind> When I go to properties in on the volume icon in the corner, my sound card is last, and I think it needs to be before the Intel thing on my motherboard.
[05:03] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: when it is released in april, you can easily upgrade then.
[05:04] <RuffianSoldier> how? apt-get -dist upgrade?
[05:04] <dreamcatcher> hello
[05:04] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: yes.
[05:04] <bob2> well, spelt correctly.
[05:05] <kensai> RuffianSoldier: Upgrade to hoary if you want by accessing the /etc/apt/sources.list and editing everything that says warty to hoary and then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:05] <RuffianSoldier> wow
[05:05] <RuffianSoldier> thats alot of work
[05:05] <RuffianSoldier> they need to make an upgrade CD
[05:05] <RuffianSoldier> :-p
[05:05] <kensai> RuffianSoldier: Please come on
[05:06] <Agabus> alright guys im up and running with ubuntu :D
[05:06] <kensai> RuffianSoldier: stay with warty then why go unstable and loose everything if you mess up ;)
[05:06] <RuffianSoldier> i guess
[05:07] <RuffianSoldier> Ubuntu is a great, stable desktop
[05:07] <RuffianSoldier> i have had more problems with Windows and other Linux distros then Ubuntu
[05:07] <kensai> RuffianSoldier: I'm in hoary cause I love linux to the MAX
[05:07] <RuffianSoldier> ..........
[05:07] <RuffianSoldier> .........
[05:07] <RuffianSoldier> ...........
[05:07] <kensai> RuffianSoldier: I have more probs with Windows than with my ex-girlfriend ;)
[05:07] <RuffianSoldier> AHAHAHAHAHAHA
[05:08] <RuffianSoldier> I keep my XP box clean
[05:08] <RuffianSoldier> and i dont pay for it either
[05:08] <RuffianSoldier> Bittorent ruleS!
[05:08] <kensai> RuffianSoldier: I keep my box clean by not installing XP in it :P
[05:08] <Agabus> hey people, i just booted up ubuntu and i'm running synaptic for the first time, should i add any new repositories to the list to download stuff that isnt in the default ones??
[05:09] <kensai> Agabus: Did you uncomment the reps in sources.list?
[05:09] <RuffianSoldier> People have to be stupid to pay for Windows.    So I dont pay for there stuff
[05:10] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: please, this is not a warez channel.
[05:10] <RuffianSoldier> ahahahaah
[05:10] <RuffianSoldier> ok
[05:10] <kensai> RuffianSoldier: This is piracy so don't talk about it here
[05:10] <bob2> Agabus: universe and multiverse might have stuff you want, but remember that they are not supported
[05:10] <Agabus> kensai: i havnt dont anything at all yet really, and im pretty noob at synaptec so i dunno wat u mean
[05:10] <RuffianSoldier> hmmm, bob2, whats multiverse?
[05:11] <kensai> Agabus: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list and in there just erase the # of some of the links
[05:11] <Agabus> kensai: what does that do?
[05:11] <kensai> It adds all the packages
[05:11] <RuffianSoldier> Agabus, good stuff
[05:12] <Agabus> k ill try
[05:12] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-10-20.1228090247
[05:12] <hectorvs> how do i know if i have java installed correctly? (i want to install azureus)
[05:12] <kensai> Agabus: once you do it tell me what you did so I make sure you don't screw your ubuntu
[05:12] <bob2> erm, encourgaging people to use universe and multiverse for no reason seems a bit silly
[05:13] <RuffianSoldier> My ubuntu install on my desktop linux box had no errors, all i had to do was enable universe in synaptic and everything was up and running. Also apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
[05:13] <kensai> bob2: sorry I just want to let people use their rights LOL
[05:13] <Lord_Viper> Hey guys is there a changelog other than the email list for Hoary?
[05:13] <kensai> bob2: He asked to have more packages
[05:13] <bob2> kensai: it's not about rights
[05:13] <RageMax> is there some way I could write a script to automatically clean up icons every time an icon is added or removed in a directory?
[05:13] <kensai> bob2: yeah I know sorry
[05:14] <kensai> :(
[05:14] <Agabus> ok i deleted 2 #'s from to urls in the file, then saved it
[05:14] <kensai> they said universe at the end?
[05:14] <bob2> RageMax: how do you mean "clean up"?
[05:14] <Agabus> Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[05:14] <bob2> Lord_Viper: there's the page describing the plans for it
[05:15] <bob2> Agabus: run "apt-get update" or synaptic update
[05:15] <kensai> Agabus: apt-get update
[05:15] <kensai> it will be fixed or just reload
[05:15] <Lord_Viper> k, thx Bob2
[05:15] <RageMax> bob2: "Clean up by name" in the context menu in nautilus
[05:15] <Agabus> how much will it download?
[05:15] <kensai> nothing
[05:15] <bob2> kensai: no
[05:15] <bob2> Agabus: a few megabytes
[05:16] <Agabus> i try apt-get update from the terminal and its like could not open lock file
[05:16] <bob2> "sudo apt-get update"
[05:16] <kensai> bob2: ok I'm sleepy sorry
[05:16] <Agabus> sweet its doin somethin
[05:16] <kensai> I might need a cup of coffe
[05:16] <Agabus> wat exactly is it doin?
[05:16] <SuperQ> COFFEEEEE
[05:17] <kensai> Agabus: retrieving packages from the universe
[05:17] <bob2> kensai: no
[05:17] <bob2> Agabus: it's downloading the lists of available packages.
[05:17] <kensai> bob2: AHHH I give up then
[05:17] <Agabus> lol oh ok
[05:18] <kensai> bob2: Thats what I meant to say
[05:18] <Agabus> so couldn't i have been able to do this from within synaptec
[05:18] <RuffianSoldier> yes
[05:18] <kensai> Agabus: yes
[05:18] <Agabus> lol ok
[05:18] <RuffianSoldier> console is best
[05:18] <bob2> Agabus: as I said 'or synaptic update'
[05:18] <Agabus> oh k\
[05:18] <Agabus> well i opened synaptec now and it showed no errors
[05:18] <Pizbit> Agabus: Yeah you could, hit reload
[05:19] <Agabus> can i now download previously unavailable packages?
[05:19] <kensai> Agabus: yes
[05:19] <Agabus> sweet
[05:19] <bob2> Agabus: well, some of them
[05:19] <Agabus> i wanna get rhythmbox working with mp3s
[05:19] <bob2> Agabus: you don't universe or multiverse for that
[05:19] <kensai> Kool I answered and bob2 didn't said no to me ;)
[05:19] <bob2> if you'd just asked that to begin with
[05:19] <bob2> install gstreamer0.8-mad from main
[05:20] <Agabus> no, that wasnt all i wanted to do but ok
 hey people, i just booted up ubuntu and i'm running synaptic for the first time, should i add any new repositories to the list to download stuff that isnt in the default ones??
[05:20] <kensai> thats part of it ^
[05:20] <bob2> yes, I know
[05:21] <desp> so...I installed both gvlc and gnome-vlc...but they both look out-of-place on my Ubuntu desktop
[05:21] <desp> what's up with that?
[05:21] <bob2> desp: it's a gtk1.2 program
[05:21] <bob2> totem is the gnome2 video player
[05:22] <kensai> why can't totem be removed?
[05:22] <Agabus> is there a way to set the default media player to rhythm box?
[05:22] <desp> a pity that I haven't figured out yet how to make it play .avi files
[05:22] <bob2> kensai: of course it can be removed
[05:22] <bob2> desp: install totem-xine
[05:22] <bob2> desp: as wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats says
[05:22] <desp> I see
[05:22] <kensai> It depends on ubuntu-desktop and says it will be removed
[05:22] <Pizbit> kensai: That's safe
[05:23] <Pizbit> ubuntu-desktop = meta package
[05:23] <bob2> kensai: yes, but it's safe to remove ubuntu-desktop
[05:23] <kensai> can I remove ubuntu-desktop which effect will it take?
[05:23] <Pizbit> kensai: None:)
[05:23] <kensai> Nothing or just little bit?
[05:23] <Pizbit> Nothing
[05:23] <bob2> Pizbit: that's not quite true
[05:23] <Pizbit> Zip! Nada! Zilch!:)
[05:23] <kensai> why is it there then?
[05:24] <Pizbit> bob2: Blah, hasn't hurt anyone yet eh?:)
[05:24] <bob2> kensai: it means you won't get future ubuntu desktop packages installed automatically
[05:24] <kensai> errrmmm? and?
[05:24] <bur[n] er> why remove totem anyway?
[05:24] <bur[n] er> i like totem
[05:24] <bob2> kensai: it's there to Depend on all the basic desktop stuff, so you only need to install one package
[05:24] <Agabus> ubuntu looks so much nicer than mandrake :D
[05:24] <Pizbit> bur[n] er: He's not, he's changing it to totem-xine
[05:24] <kensai> cause totem does absolutely nothing it has no codecs for mpegs
[05:25] <tseng> totem-xine can use w32codecs
[05:25] <bob2> it does lots
[05:25] <tseng> ffpeg
[05:25] <tseng> etc
[05:25] <Pizbit> kensai: You could just install xine-ui and use xine, plus the w32codecs package from the marillat repository
[05:25] <kensai> Pizbit: thanks
[05:26] <Pizbit> kensai: Just be sure to change files to open with xine (rigth click -> open with type in xine) :)
[05:26] <desp> when I was installing vlc using synaptic, it installed a few other packages as well.  now when I select vlc for complete removal, it only wants to remove wxvlc as well.  how can I get synaptic to purge all unnecessary packages, such as the vlc dependencies that are no longer needed?
[05:26] <WW> bob2: Just curious about that ubunut-desktop thing... what are the chances that the packages on which ubuntu-desktop depends will change in warty?
[05:27] <bob2> desp: I don't believe synaptic can do that.  deboprhan can, and if you use aptitude it happens automatically.
[05:27] <bob2> WW: in warty? 0.000000%.  in hoary, pretty good.
[05:27] <desp> bob2: I'm totally new to debian. can you elaborate a bit?
[05:27] <bob2> in fact, it has changed in hoary already, iirc
[05:27] <WW> bob2: That's about what I figured.  Thanks.
[05:29] <desp> I'm pretty much new to linux, as well
[05:29] <bob2> desp: which bit?
[05:29] <desp> deborphan -- can I just use it without any worries?
[05:29] <bob2> yes.
[05:29] <bob2> debfoster does a simlar deal, I think
[05:29] <desp> both seem to be not installed, though
[05:29] <Pizbit> desp: Install them if you want:)
[05:29] <desp> aight ;)
[05:29] <desp> so aptitude's better than synaptic?
[05:30] <kensai> bob2: ubuntu-desktop has a new version should I upgrade to it in hoary?
[05:30] <bob2> different
[05:30] <bob2> I certainly prefer aptitude
[05:30] <RuffianSoldier> I am commensing my vector/libranet linux easy dual boot experiment!!
[05:30] <Pizbit> desp: It's a lot less intuitive
[05:30] <Pizbit> Although I hear synaptic is due for some changes for hoary, not sure what they are
[05:30] <kensai> bob2: it removes something like libfam0.......
[05:30] <desp> ahm.
[05:30] <bob2> kensai: not unless you're already running hoary
[05:30] <kensai> yeah I'm runing hoary
[05:31] <RuffianSoldier> how?
[05:31] <RuffianSoldier> not possible!
[05:31] <desp> ah btw
[05:31] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: please chill out
[05:31] <bob2> kensai: don't think it depends on anything more interesting yet
[05:31] <desp> is there a way to force synaptic to use the system terminal font?
[05:31] <RuffianSoldier> bob2, hey, im fine dude, i am chill like an ice burg!
[05:31] <RuffianSoldier> =)
[05:31] <kensai> bob2: it says to be removed libdfam0c102
[05:31] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: you just seem to get very loud about trivial things
[05:32] <RuffianSoldier> bob2, sorry :-/
[05:32] <RuffianSoldier> :-(
[05:32] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: dude.
[05:32] <kensai> bob2: is it safe to remove?
[05:32] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: it's IRC.
[05:32] <kensai> LOL
[05:33] <bob2> kensai: if you agree that it's not forcing anything you want out, yes
[05:34] <ys> How can I make VLC my default player? I'm using gnome 2.8.
[05:35] <Pizbit> Right click -> 'open with' and type in the command to run vlc
[05:35] <Pizbit> Alternatively: Right click -> Properties -> 'Open With' tab -> Add it, tick the radio button for it.
[05:37] <kensai> does instaling w32codecs give totem the ability to play mpegs and all that?
[05:37] <RuffianSoldier> snd im back!
[05:37] <Pizbit> kensai: Only totem-xine I  believe
[05:37] <kensai> but totem-xine wants to remove my ubuntu-desktop
[05:37] <kensai> LOL
[05:37] <RuffianSoldier> lol
[05:38] <Pizbit> So let it, or use plain xine
[05:38] <ys> Pizbit: I want it to open all movie files with VLC as it's default.  Not just one file.
[05:38] <kensai> then I'll use xine
[05:38] <Pizbit> ys: That will set it for the file type, not that file itself
[05:40] <kensai> Bye and thanks guys
[05:40] <RageMax> is it even possible to set a program for a single file?
[05:40] <Pizbit> RageMax: Depends, if it's a script you change the #! line, else you might just have to code the feature in, I havn't seen it yet(doesn't mean it aint there though...)
[05:42] <RuffianSoldier> damn my sholder hurts
[05:42] <hectorvs> how the funk does one start bit-tornado?
[05:42] <Pizbit> Got the gui part too it?
[05:43] <hectorvs> i installed it from the universe, but i cant find the bin... ?
[05:43] <hectorvs> yeah, i installed both
[05:43] <Pizbit> I just clicked on a link in firefox and it worked;)
[05:43] <hectorvs> lol
[05:43] <hectorvs> lemme see
[05:43] <desp> what do you guys use as a terminal?
[05:43] <shad0w913> linux_galore
[05:43] <desp> the default terminal already crashed twice for me :/
[05:43] <Pizbit> hectorvs: bt<tab>
[05:43] <Pizbit> desp: gnome-terminal
[05:44] <hectorvs> Pizbit: i get alot of things
[05:44] <hectorvs> all bt related
[05:44] <desp> Pizbit: that's the one
[05:44] <Pizbit> hectorvs: Yeah, try figure out which one it is heh, I think I found it once:)
[05:44] <Pizbit> btdownloadgui.bittornado
[05:45] <hectorvs> thats the one, i found it
[05:45] <hectorvs> just as you typed it
[05:45] <hectorvs> lol
[05:45] <Pizbit> I didn't type, I pasted:)
[05:46] <hectorvs> ^_^
[05:47] <hectorvs> hey Pizbit, do you know how to make a bash script?
[05:47] <Pizbit> Barely touched them
[05:47] <hectorvs> i want to make a script that detects the essid of the wireless network i happen to be in so it can configure itself
[05:47] <RuffianSoldier> hectorvs, I do, but it depends on what your trying to get done?
[05:48] <RuffianSoldier> hectorvs, oh, im a fan of WiFi, but havent messed with it in linux
[05:48] <hectorvs> i move alot between networks and its a pain to set them up manually
[05:49] <RuffianSoldier> feel ya ther
[05:49] <hectorvs> RuffianSoldier, hmm... what happens is that if i have a config for network A and then turn on the comp while being in network B, the bootup process will hang until i hit ctrl-c
[05:49] <hazmat> hectorvs, there is a wireless bash script for gentoo you might be able to google for which does it
[05:50] <hectorvs> hazmat, yeah i think i saw it too... lemme take a looksee, see how it goes and Ill post it in the forums
[05:50] <hectorvs> alot of people are having this problems, so it seems
[05:50] <hazmat> pls do so on the mailing list as well
[05:50] <hectorvs> yup
[05:52] <desp> hmmm
[05:52] <desp> I added "deb-src ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[05:53] <Pizbit> Change unstable to testing
[05:53] <desp> to my /etc/apt/sources.list, did a reload, but I still can't see the packages
[05:53] <desp> Pizbit: why?
[05:53] <Pizbit> Because mplayer packages require stuff newer than what's in universe iirc
[05:54] <desp> Pizbit: isn't unstable newer than testing?
[05:54] <Pizbit> That's exactly what I'm referring too.
[05:54] <desp> Pizbit: also, testing only has i386 binaries, while I'm on PowerPC
[05:55] <desp> I thought that since unstable also has sources, apt-get would be smart enough to get them and compile them, but it seems that I'm wrong
[05:55] <jdub> desp: "can't see"?
[05:55] <jdub> desp: apt-get source <package>
[05:56] <desp> jdub: "can't see" as in "not in the synaptic package list"
[05:57] <jdub> desp: synaptic lists binary packages, not sources
[05:57] <Pizbit> desp: It is smart enough, but it doesn't help if the newer packages aren't in any of the lists, but do go on, I havn't touched PPC
[05:57] <desp> I see
[05:57] <bob2> Pizbit: there's lots of us
[05:58] <desp> there would probably be more if OldWorld PPC was officially supported
[05:58] <Pizbit> bob2: Why?:)
[05:58] <bob2> desp: oldworld ppc is not going to have much fun with gnome2.8
[05:58] <desp> bob2: really?
[05:58] <bob2> Pizbit: cheap, fast, pretty, light, long battery life
[05:58] <desp> I'm running Warty on an OldWorld PowerMac 7300 with a G4/450 upgrade card
[05:59] <desp> 288MB RAM
[05:59] <bob2> heh, old world g4
[05:59] <bob2> didnt' consider that
[05:59] <desp> plenty of those
[05:59] <bob2> but it's pretty easy to install debian on them and dist-upgrade if you want to
[05:59] <desp> ah
[05:59] <bob2> well, compared to the number of new world g4s, there really isn't that many
[06:00] <bob2> but it could happen for hoary if people can help out
[06:00] <desp> are there really that many people with new macs that prefer running linux instead of OS X?
[06:00] <desp> somehow, I doubt it
[06:00] <bob2> I bought a brand new mac to run ubuntu on it
[06:01] <desp> well, obviously you are a maniac ;)
[06:01] <DracosX> heh, I was considering doing that very same thing
[06:01] <mitochondyu> hi all
[06:01] <mitochondyu> newb here
[06:01] <desp> but I'm interested to know your reasoning
[06:02] <DracosX> personally, I prefer gnome to aqua, and linux to darwin, but ppc to x86
[06:04] <AlohaWolf> can someone send me a copy of their XF86Config-4, preferably someone who hasnt edited it since they installed?
[06:08] <desp> is anyone here using mac-on-linux?
[06:09] <attitude> I can not seem to get gdesklets to display
[06:09] <attitude> any ideas
[06:10] <RageMax> sweet, someone fixed the clock applet problem already
[06:10] <hectorvs> guys, i found the wireless config script
[06:10] <AlohaWolf> I think everyone is asleep
[06:10] <attitude> AlohaWolf: darn
[06:10] <hectorvs> now, i need some help in implementing it to ubuntu and debian in general
[06:10] <DracosX> attitude: any particular display/sensor that isn't working, or just gdesklets in general?
[06:10] <AlohaWolf> does anyone know how to access the autoconfig script that is used to setup X during the install?
[06:10] <AlohaWolf> attitude,
[06:11] <attitude> DracosX: when i start it I can do ps - ef | grep gdesklets and I see the proc but it never displays anything
[06:11] <attitude> DracosX: even after 20 min
[06:11] <DracosX> have you loaded any displays?
[06:11] <shank_> does ubuntu have a net install?
[06:11] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:11] <nomasteryoda> sudo network-admin
[06:11] <AlohaWolf> attitude, can you send me a copy of your XF86Config-4, I cant seem to get 3D to work properly after playing with the ATI drivers, so now im trying to go back to the original one
[06:11] <attitude> DracosX: loaded a display?
[06:11] <DracosX> sudo apt-get install gdesklets-data
[06:11] <DracosX> then look under /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays
[06:12] <nomasteryoda> i'm doing mine right now
[06:12] <nomasteryoda> wifi
[06:12] <attitude> AlohaWolf: Mine is using nvida
[06:12] <AlohaWolf> attitude, just so long as its the default one generated by the installer, I can fix that part
[06:14] <desp> crap
[06:15] <desp> can someone send me a fresh /etc/vnc.conf file?
[06:15] <desp> or will it regenerate automatically somehow?
[06:15] <bob2> please don't delete files from /etc, ever
[06:16] <desp> bob2: I promise.
[06:16] <desp> :D
[06:16] <bob2> now, dpkg -P vnc --force-depends ; apt-get install vnc
[06:17] <bob2> where "vnc" is the name of the package it came from
[06:17] <desp> aha
[06:17] <desp> thanks
[06:17] <Opiat3> ehlooo
[06:17] <encryptio> whoa, i'll ask again, just incase.
[06:17] <encryptio> Anyone on a ppc here?
[06:17] <desp> yeah
[06:17] <Opiat3> how can i boot to a terminal?
[06:17] <gloin_> sup all
[06:17] <attitude> DracosX: Sorry I got droped for some reason. I have already got the gdesklets-data and I can see the Displays
[06:17] <DracosX> ok
[06:17] <DracosX> right click on a display and go to open with
[06:17] <gloin_> so how the heck do I bring up the menu editor?
[06:17] <DracosX> type in gdesklets
[06:17] <gloin_> and also
[06:18] <Pizbit> gloin_: Right click in the sub menus
[06:18] <gloin_> how do I get the file browser to quit acting like Mac System 7?
[06:18] <DracosX> then just double click on any display to load it
[06:18] <bob2> encryptio: just ask your question
[06:18] <encryptio> i want to know how to do a firewire mount (lin/ppc)
[06:18] <gloin_> Pizbit: thanks
[06:18] <attitude> ok
[06:18] <bob2> encryptio: plug it in.  it should mount.
[06:18] <encryptio> it's not
[06:18] <attitude> DracosX: I do not get a display
[06:18] <Pizbit> gloin_: Do you mean change it to browser mode? Look in the preferences, always use browser I think it's called
[06:19] <gloin_> Pizbit: no, I mean when it's browsing files, I don't want it to open a new window everytime I open a folder
[06:19] <desp> gloin_: in preferences/behaviour select "always open in browser windows"
[06:19] <RageMax> oh crap, now the calendar app won't pull tasks from the evolution dataserver
[06:19] <gloin_> ok lol
[06:19] <gloin_> how do I get to "preferences?"
[06:19] <desp> open a browser window ;)
[06:19] <encryptio> bob2: i'm not sure what the /dev is, so I can't mount it manually.
[06:19] <bob2> gloin_: ctrl-l preferences:///
[06:19] <gloin_> ahh got it
[06:19] <gloin_> lol
[06:20] <bob2> or computer -> desktop preferences
[06:20] <attitude> DracosX: nothing opens on my screen at all when I type gdesklets in a term
[06:20] <bob2> encryptio: tail -f /var/log/messages
[06:20] <DracosX> it shouldn't
[06:20] <DracosX> that starts the gdesklets "service"
[06:20] <DracosX> you should open one of the directories under /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays
[06:21] <DracosX> then right click on the "whatever.display" file
[06:21] <DracosX> then go to open with
[06:21] <hectorvs> bob2, if i have a broken package how do i fix it?
[06:21] <DracosX> type in gdesklets
[06:21] <DracosX> :)
[06:21] <bob2> hectorvs: don't use hoary
[06:21] <hectorvs> bob2, im not
[06:21] <bob2> hectorvs: what packages are broken in warty?
[06:22] <encryptio> bob2: it says it's mounted, but there's no mountpoint in /media or /mnt or /
[06:22] <bob2> encryptio: what does "mount" say?
[06:22] <hectorvs> bob2, im installing packages outside the ubuntu repository, its guessnet
[06:22] <encryptio> mount what?
[06:23] <hectorvs> its marked with a red box, so i guess thats the one
[06:23] <bob2> hectorvs: talk to whoever made those packages.
[06:23] <bob2> encryptio: the command "mount"
[06:24] <encryptio> bob2: no entry there for any drive that the filesystem is hfsplus (which the drive is)
[06:25] <gloin_> well, if any devs are listening, aside from the annoyances of moving to gnome (which really does feel like it's about 10 years behind KDE), nice distro!  Very well executed!  Keep up the good work.  I appreciate seeing the posts on bugtraq as well - lets me know the dev team is interested in keeping up with things.
[06:25] <bob2> encryptio: there's a bug in hal (or pmount?) in warty where it won't mount ntfs partitions, maybe it affects hfs+ too
[06:25] <bob2> hahah 10 years behind.
[06:26] <gloin_> heh
[06:26] <gloin_> well
[06:26] <gloin_> it is horrid
[06:26] <gloin_> but the distro behind it makes it worthwhile
[06:26] <bob2> ojectively bad, right
[06:26] <desp> bob2: I'm mounting a hfs+ partition successfully
[06:26] <shank_> bob2: you enjoy fisher price interfaces?
[06:26] <shank_> oops
[06:26] <gloin_> LOL
[06:26] <shank_> gloin_ you enjoy fisher price interfaces?
[06:26] <bob2> encryptio: gloin_ so use KDE
[06:26] <gloin_> rofl
[06:26] <gloin_> well
[06:26] <nomasteryoda> shank_: no, that's Teletubbies
[06:26] <bob2> desp: yes, I know, but the automounting may be broken
[06:26] <gloin_> nomasteryoda: actually, Teletubbies is windows XP
[06:27] <bob2> encryptio: gloin_ it's in universe
[06:27] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[06:27] <desp> ah
[06:27] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:27] <encryptio> mm. there's a problem. it won't install. but no matter...
[06:27] <gloin_> bob2: it is?
[06:27] <gloin_> cool deal
[06:27] <DracosX> yeah
[06:27] <DracosX> sudo apt-get install kde
[06:27] <jdub> gloin_: gnome is not dumbed down. it just doesn't expect you to make it work properly yourself.
[06:27] <encryptio> bob2: how do i find out what /dev the drive is?
[06:27] <gloin_> lol
[06:27] <bob2> encryptio: /var/log/messages
[06:28] <encryptio> do'h
[06:28] <shank_> well, i give up on ubuntu
[06:28] <jdub> gloin_: why force the user into understanding fifty million different options, when you can make things 'just work'?
[06:28] <bob2> gnome won't be ready for the enterprise until it has a search box in it's control panel
[06:28] <encryptio> holy crap that's a long path...
[06:28] <bob2> shank_: that's a shame.  why?
[06:28] <gloin_> jdub: gnome is so sumbed down - I'd like to be able to customize my menubar without looking in obscure, counter-intuitive places, and don't get me started about the whole win95-style filebrowser
[06:28] <Pizbit> bob2: A search box... to search what?
[06:28] <shank_> bob2: can't get it installed
[06:28] <gloin_> s/sumbed/dumbed
[06:28] <shank_> bob2: did you use to be in the #debian channel?
[06:29] <bob2> Pizbit: the options, of course.
[06:29] <bob2> shank_: still am.
[06:29] <jdub> gloin_: the menu editing issue is well known; it's hidden because it doesn't work well.
[06:29] <Pizbit> bob2: gconf-editor ?:)
[06:29] <shank_> bob2: no bot here yet to request help from?
[06:29] <bob2> shank_: did you try the usual acpi=off, noapic sort of thing?
[06:29] <jdub> gloin_: the gtk+ 2.5 file browser is great.
[06:29] <shank_> bob2: yes
[06:29] <encryptio> bob2: the /device won't ever change, right?
[06:29] <shank_> it fails trying to fetch some pkg from the cd
[06:29] <bob2> shank_: not sure a bot would really help here, when there's so much work going ino the wiki and faq
[06:29] <shank_> and flashes the screen repeteadly
[06:29] <bob2> shank_: check the md5sum of the cd
[06:29] <jdub> Pizbit: it's a joke. kde has a search tool in its kontrol thingy
[06:29] <shank_> and f4 terminal shows md4sum
[06:29] <shank_> bob2: already did
[06:29] <shank_> its fin
[06:30] <bob2> encryptio: it can change on every plug, theoretically, but probably won't
[06:30] <shank_> bob2: also tried jigdo
[06:30] <shank_> but some packages are missing
[06:30] <Pizbit> jdub: I know, but it was the nearest I can think of.
[06:30] <shank_> doesn't exactly inspire confidence
[06:30] <bob2> shank_: you md5'd the cd itself?
[06:30] <encryptio> bob2: well, it doesn't matter, because it's gone...
[06:30] <shank_> bob2: not the cd itself
[06:30] <gloin_> ahh
[06:30] <jdub> shank_: there are no packages missing on the cd.
[06:30] <bob2> shank_: the cd has worked for literally tens of thousands of other people, it's extremely unlikely to be a bug in ubuntu.
[06:30] <shank_> jdub: um, i'm talking about jigdo
[06:30] <gloin_> well, like I said, the Gnome default is only an annoyance
[06:31] <gloin_> I'm impressed with the distro overall
[06:31] <encryptio> what's a "bad superblock"?
[06:31] <shank_> bob2: ok, i'll check the md5sum on the actual cd
[06:31] <bob2> shank_: check the md5sum of the iso you get, and the physical cd
[06:31] <shank_> bob2: i'm sure its prolly not worked for hundreds or thousands of ppl as well
[06:31] <jdub> gloin_: the distro is impressive because it was designed with some of the same objectives as gnome.
[06:31] <shank_> bob2: laready checked the iso
[06:31] <gloin_> jdub: ??
[06:32] <shank_> bob2: why offer the jigdo file if you can't use jigdo to construct the iso?
[06:32] <nomasteryoda> shank_: I had it fail on a new dell laptop
[06:32] <nomasteryoda> today
[06:32] <bob2> shank_: please don't get that attitude
[06:32] <ys> hey
[06:32] <gloin_> yeh
[06:32] <bob2> shank_: if the jigdo files are buggy, please file a bug and they will be fixed
[06:32] <nomasteryoda> but it was the dvd burner ... it didn't like the CD media
[06:32] <shank_> bob2: what attitude?
[06:32] <ys> i just installed ubuntu i was wondering if it's a good idea to apt-get kde.
[06:32] <gloin_> heh ys
[06:33] <gloin_> I'm doing that right now
[06:33] <jdub> ys: it works, but is unsupported.
[06:33] <gloin_> want to stick around a while I'll tell you how ti goes
[06:33] <gloin_> s/ti/it
[06:33] <nomasteryoda> ys... i did it too
[06:33] <nomasteryoda> worked fine
[06:33] <nomasteryoda> but much slower
[06:33] <gloin_> hmm
[06:33] <desp> the RestrictedFormats wiki says: "The following repository has packages for i386 only."  does anyone know if I can find pre-made ppc packages somewhere?
[06:33] <bob2> desp: yes, go to marillat's website
[06:34] <bob2> it has the ppc url
[06:34] <ys> nomasteryoda: how fast is your puter?
[06:34] <bob2> you will need to get one package from sid before mplayer can be installed, though
[06:34] <encryptio> bob2: when I try to mount /dev/sda (same drive according to /var/log/messages), it gives me "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda, or too many..." etc. It's the right filesystem, it mounts on a mac, and the syntax is simple.
[06:34] <bob2> maybe I should have written that down
[06:34] <Pizbit> encryptio: /dev/sda1 ?
[06:34] <bob2> encryptio: erm, you don't have any partitions on that disk?
[06:34] <bob2> none at all?
[06:34] <encryptio> "/dev/sda1 doesn't exist"
[06:35] <encryptio> -_-
[06:35] <ys> if i apt-get kde from my school which is a debian server will that matter?
[06:35] <bob2> encryptio: erm, are you trying to mount a mac disk on a pc?
[06:35] <Pizbit> ys: Why not get it from universe?
[06:35] <gloin_> WOW!  I'm getting insanely fast downloads from the apt repository!  LIke a meg/sec!
[06:35] <bob2> ys: use ubuntu's universe repository
[06:35] <encryptio> bob2: linux/ppc ubuntu mounting a mac drive. short: no.
[06:35] <ys> because if i get it from my uni then i don't use my limited bandwidth
[06:35] <ys> ofcourse :)
[06:36] <desp> bob2: thanks again
[06:36] <gloin_> man
[06:36] <encryptio> bob2: it worked (after tweaking) in YDL fine
[06:36] <gloin_> this totally rocks
[06:36] <bob2> ys: debian's kde packages probably won't install on warty
[06:36] <bob2> ys: and if they do, you're totally on your own
[06:37] <gloin_> anyone know of a way to get evolution2 to display the number of unreads in the titlebar the way it did in 1.x?
[06:38] <ys> how large is KDE?
[06:39] <gloin_> ys:
[06:39] <gloin_> big
[06:39] <gloin_> but depending on where you are, the apt repository is FAST
[06:39] <encryptio> ys: about 75MB binary, in my experience
[06:39] <gloin_> rutgers, it should only take about 4-5 minutes to download
[06:39] <encryptio> 120mb for the whole thing
[06:40] <DracosX> 1346KB/s here
[06:40] <DracosX> it is quick tonight
[06:40] <gloin_> truly impressive
[06:41] <encryptio> bob2: "sda: unsupported sector size 12." in /var/log/messages?
[06:42] <encryptio> bob2: "SCSI device sda: 0 12-byte hdwe sectors (0 MB)"
[06:42] <gloin_> well
[06:42] <gloin_> I'll bbl for sure
[06:43] <bob2> encryptio: erm, that's odd
[06:43] <encryptio> bob2: and then many "HFS+-fs: unable to find HFS+ superblock" (?)
[06:43] <hectorvs> we need something like expos for gnome =p
[06:43] <encryptio> that'd be so cool. we need ctrl-click = right-click too...
[06:44] <bob2> hectorvs: it exists
[06:44] <bob2> encryptio: I don't know, sorry.  try asking on the list.
[06:44] <desp> does anyone knows how to map my fourth and fifth mouse buttons to some actions?
[06:44] <nomasteryoda> lol... Maddog Hall ... "Programmers are from Mars: Users and Managers are from Uranus" ... LOL
[06:45] <hectorvs> bob2, name?
[06:45] <bob2> hectorvs: expocity or something stupid like that
[06:46] <hectorvs> hmm
[06:46] <hectorvs> ill look it up
[06:46] <bob2> it needs x.org, tho
[06:46] <jdub> not useful at the moment
[06:46] <bob2> and xcompmgr
[06:46] <ys> what version of kde does the universe have?
[06:46] <ys> 3.3.1?
[06:46] <hectorvs> bah.... maybe in hoary
[06:46] <jdub> 3.1.2
[06:47] <ys> :/
[06:47] <ys> obso1337
[06:47] <jdub> bob2: naw, just needs xcomposite. xcompmgr is the standalone composite manager :)
[06:47] <jdub> warty froze in late june
[06:47] <bob2> jdub: ah
[06:50] <ys> where's the document that has the address for apt-get?
[06:50] <desp> synaptic crashes when I try to choose a custom terminal wont :/
[06:50] <desp> s/wont/font/
[06:51] <bob2> please file a bug
[06:51] <encryptio> you mean /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[06:51] <bob2> ys: /etc/apt/sou
[06:51] <nomasteryoda> should there be an wlan/ath_pci and ath_hal/ath_pci loaded
[06:51] <nomasteryoda> with my wireless?
[06:52] <nomasteryoda> i have all the right settings, but it just will not talk
[06:52] <bob2> is it loaded?
[06:52] <nomasteryoda> ye
[06:53] <AlohaWolf> can anyone send me a copy of their CF86Config-4 File, preferably one that has been unmodified since install
[06:53] <nomasteryoda> lsmod ... ath_pci    50724 0 ... wlan 105564 2 ath_pci ...
[06:53] <nomasteryoda> and hal and yenta
[06:53] <nomasteryoda> odd
[06:53] <nomasteryoda> same card works in suse
[06:53] <nomasteryoda> on same laptop
[06:54] <nomasteryoda> dmesg says ath0: no IPv6 routers present
[06:54] <nomasteryoda> is that a problem
[06:54] <bob2> AlohaWolf: why?
[06:54] <shank_> nomasteryoda: shouldn't be, unless your on a ipv6 network
[06:54] <bob2> nomasteryoda: does "ifconfig -a" have ath0 listed?
[06:55] <nomasteryoda> yup
[06:55] <AlohaWolf> bob2, because im having an issue, the xf86config installer doesnt seem to generate the same file that the installer does
[06:55] <bob2> then you just need to configure it
[06:55] <nomasteryoda> ok
[06:55] <bob2> AlohaWolf: um, don't use xf86config at all
[06:55] <nomasteryoda> will try again .. manuall this time
[06:55] <AlohaWolf> bob2, any Idea's then?
[06:56] <bob2> AlohaWolf: what are you trying to do?
[06:56] <encryptio> alohawolf: i've stolen many a xf86configs from knoppix when they work, but that might not work for ubuntu.
[06:57] <AlohaWolf> bob2, im trying to get the 3D rendering working like it was when I installed
[06:57] <bob2> AlohaWolf: erm, why was the config modified to begin with then?
[06:57] <New-B> hi guys....i have a newbie question :)  ....I've jsut installed ubuntu -warty, but i dont know how to load into it...i get a command prompt and all I can really do is logon using my username and password...any suggestion? :)
[06:58] <encryptio> type "startx" and see what happens.
[06:58] <bob2> New-B: the default install logs you into X
[06:58] <desp> hmm
[06:58] <New-B> tried that
[06:58] <New-B> i tried startx....nothing happened
[06:58] <Pizbit> New-B: /etc/init.d/gdm start  ?
[06:58] <encryptio> it just came back to a prompt without any messages at all?
[06:58] <AlohaWolf> bob2, because I tried to use the ATI driver instead of the one that is packaged, and it performs worse then the one that comes with the machine
[06:59] <DracosX> less /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[06:59] <bob2> AlohaWolf: and you didn't back it up?
[06:59] <AlohaWolf> bob2, if I had backed it up do you think I would be asking for help right now?
[06:59] <desp> bob2: the mplayer-g4 package requires newer versions of certain libraries (libartsc0, libggi2, libungif4g) than what synaptic installed
[06:59] <bob2> desp: it only required one for me
[07:00] <New-B> encryption: it gave me an error message, which i cant remember..im not infront of that PC now.   I'll try /etc/init.d/gdm start and see what happens...thanks guys
[07:01] <desp> is there a simple way to get those newer versions installed?  I assume they're available in the unstable tree
[07:01] <encryptio> bob2: synaptic doesn't work for me. i get a blank list. everything else seems good, but the list is blank. I go to Settings>Preferences>Columns and Fonts, and see nothing's checked. I check them. I click "Apply" and "OK". They uncheck themselves.
[07:01] <bob2> desp: not without moving to hoary
[07:02] <bob2> desp: or building it from source
[07:02] <bob2> that would kind of work
[07:02] <desp> encryptio: I had the same problem, then I dumped the synaptic configuration file
[07:02] <bob2> encryptio: I've never used synaptic
[07:02] <bob2> file a bug
[07:02] <encryptio> desp: where?
[07:02] <desp>  /root/.synaptic
[07:02] <encryptio> i've never used an apt-based _linux_ before..
[07:03] <bob2> synaptic has little to do with apt
[07:03] <encryptio> ...
[07:03] <bob2> most of it's problems are general Big GTK App problems
[07:03] <AlohaWolf> can anyone send me a copy of their CF86Config-4 File, preferably one that has been unmodified since install?
[07:03] <desp> this is getting a little frustrating
[07:03] <desp> installing mplayer under gentoo was an one liner
[07:03] <bob2> AlohaWolf: that will not help you
[07:03] <encryptio> thanks, it's back, desp.
[07:03] <bob2> desp: then use gentoo
[07:03] <desp> np
[07:04] <bob2> or fix this
[07:04] <desp> bob2: I thought ubuntu would be more user friendly
[07:04] <AlohaWolf> bob2, it will help me see what im messing
[07:04] <bob2> it's not very hard and everyone else will benefit
[07:04] <AlohaWolf> desp, its not ubuntu thats not freindly its some of the people trying to be helpfull
[07:04] <bob2> AlohaWolf: a) don't ever fuck your config file deliberately. b) dpkg -P --force-depends xserver-xfree86 ; apt-get install xserver-xfree86
[07:05] <desp> AlohaWolf: ...?
[07:05] <bob2> desp: it is user-friendly, complain to the idiot corporations that prevent use from distributing mplayer
[07:05] <Pizbit> Anyone know if there's a TV like icon somewhere in an ubuntu install?:)
[07:05] <bob2> desp: someone needs to make mplayer build on ppc warty.  someone made it work on gentoo for you already, and someone did it on ppc/sid.
[07:05] <AlohaWolf> desp, go get mplayer source and build it yourself
[07:06] <bob2> AlohaWolf: how does that help?
[07:06] <bob2> the libraries aren't built for warty, either
[07:06] <desp> bob2: unfortunately I know far too little of linux to be doing this.  I did submit a few patches for stuff I fixed for myself on gentoo, though
[07:06] <encryptio> whoa... just loaded 3ddesktop.. kewl.
[07:08] <encryptio> is ubuntu metacity or sawfish by default?
[07:09] <bob2> metacity
[07:10] <mercurus> hmm ... I KNOW I've seen the answer to this question, but I can't find it ...
[07:11] <encryptio> anyone kave experience with 3ddesktop?
[07:11] <encryptio> have
[07:11] <mercurus> I've downloaded a bucket-load of packages to this machine which are archived on the HDD
[07:11] <bob2> encryptio: you've been in here a while
[07:11] <bob2> mercurus: ha
[07:11] <bob2> encryptio: have you noticed how annoying it is when people ask to ask a question, instead of just asking it?
[07:11] <mercurus> how do I generate the files required to make it a repository, so that I can point other machines to it to update ?
[07:12] <encryptio> ah yes, i'll stop that... ._.
[07:12] <bob2> dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null > Packages
[07:12] <ys> why can't i download KDE?
[07:12] <mercurus> bob2: ah ... and after that, I point other machines to: <IP_ADDRESS> warty ?
[07:12] <encryptio> in 3ddesktop, how do I fix the "get property WIN_WORKSPACE failed - setting one" error?
[07:12] <mercurus> packages are under /var/cache/apt/
[07:13] <bob2> ys: please read the smart qyestions faq
[07:13] <ys> right...
[07:13] <bob2> mercurus: well, you publish them somewhere with apache or whatever
[07:13] <ys> ok let me clarify
[07:13] <bob2> ys: or just ask a question we can answer
[07:13] <Adrenal> whoa
[07:13] <Adrenal> ubuntu rocks
[07:13] <ys> i'm trying to install kde3 from rutgers.edu server but it's giving me dependency errors
[07:13] <Adrenal> but how do i update gaim?
[07:14] <encryptio> apt-get upgrade gaim?
[07:14] <Adrenal> cheers
[07:14] <bob2> ys: this is a ubuntu archive, right?
[07:14] <bob2> encryptio: no, that does nothing
[07:14] <bob2> Adrenal: gaim in warty will not change
[07:14] <ys> it's debian, but the KDE is straight from KDE
[07:14] <desp> encryptio: how did you use 3ddesktop?
[07:14] <ys> not patched for debian
[07:15] <Adrenal> kk
[07:15] <bob2> ys: come on
[07:15] <desp> I mean -- encryptio: what did you do after installing it?
[07:15] <Adrenal> thanks
[07:15] <ys> ??
[07:15] <ys> hit me with some knowledge
[07:15] <encryptio> desp: I installed it, and i read the readme to get it running. (3ddesk --aquire, then 3ddesk)
[07:15] <Pizbit> ys: You're best getting it from universe
[07:15] <ys> it's 3.1
[07:15] <desp> heh. the readme. right, I am silly
[07:15] <ys> i want 3.3
[07:15] <bob2> ys: I told you not to do that
[07:16] <Pizbit> I thought it was 3.2 in universe?
[07:16] <bob2> ys: and that if you broke, you were on your own
[07:16] <bob2> so, now you get to keep both pieces
[07:16] <bob2> use the version from universe, pleeeeeease
[07:16] <ys> it's 3.2?
[07:17] <bob2> I have no idea
[07:17] <ys> how can i check?
[07:17] <Pizbit> Look in synaptic
[07:17] <mercurus> bob2: I need to run an httpd ... given this is purely LAN based ... can I not use NFS ?
[07:17] <jdub> the version from warty universe is not 3.2
[07:17] <ys> it just says kde desktop enviornmeny
[07:17] <bob2> w
[07:17] <Pizbit> Nah, looks like 3.1 (apt-cache show)
[07:17] <ys> jdub what version is it?
[07:17] <bob2> it's 3.1.2
[07:17] <AlohaWolf> bob2 thanks
[07:17] <jdub> $ apt-cache show kde-core | grep ^Version
[07:17] <jdub> Version: 4:3.1.2
[07:17] <bob2> mercurus: if you like
[07:17] <ys> 3.1.2 is old
[07:17] <mercurus> eg. remotely mount the /var/cache/apt/archives directory complete with a generated Packages file and point it there ?
[07:18] <encryptio> i'm showing 3.2.1 and 3.2.3 packages for kde
[07:18] <bob2> encryptio: are you using warty?
[07:18] <bob2> mercurus: erm, I guess so
[07:18] <bob2> mercurus: wait, no, don't do that
[07:18] <bob2> mercurus: copy them elsewhere and share that
[07:18] <encryptio> bob2: i think so, it's the release, right?
[07:18] <bob2> encryptio: apt-cache show kde-core | grep ^Version
[07:19] <desp> okay...I launched 3ddesktop and my monitor went into overdrive :P
[07:19] <desp> I had to kill the X server
[07:19] <encryptio> bob2: i just looked at the list of packages in synaptic now that i have it working
[07:20] <desp> so...obviously I have something set up incorrectly
[07:20] <ys> right
[07:20] <ys> i'm off to bed
[07:20] <ys> night all
[07:20] <desp> any ideas?
[07:20] <mercurus> bob2: symlink acceptable or need to move them ?
[07:21] <ys> i'm going to wait till 3.3.1 is updated on the server
[07:21] <ys> i'm fine with gnomer
[07:22] <bob2> encryptio: so use it
[07:22] <bob2> ys[bed] : 3.3.1 will never be in warty
[07:22] <theBishop> the installer isn't working for me
[07:23] <theBishop> it only detects the main HD
[07:23] <theBishop> which has partitions i don't want to delete
[07:23] <theBishop> it doesn't find the free space
[07:23] <bob2> please ask on the list
[07:23] <theBishop> so there's no solution?
[07:23] <ys[bed] > :
[07:23] <ys[bed] > :
[07:23] <encryptio> bob2: "Package k3b is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may bean that the package is missing" etc. "E: Package k3b has no installation canidate"
[07:23] <bob2> why do you say that?
[07:23] <bob2> encryptio: it's in universe.
[07:23] <desp> can someone tell me where should I setup my monitor resolution/refresh modes?
[07:24] <theBishop> i'm asking
[07:24] <hypa7ia> theBishop: not necessarily, but that's kind of a big issue and it's be useful to ask on the list :-)
[07:24] <theBishop> what's this cannel for if not help?
[07:24] <bob2> theBishop: I'm sure there is a solution, but I don't know it and I doubt anyone else does
[07:24] <bob2> here
[07:24] <hypa7ia> if it's asked on the list it gets documented immediately as well
[07:24] <bob2> on the list you can get help from hopefully the installer team
[07:24] <hypa7ia> and i don't have a clue either :-)
[07:24] <hypa7ia> does knoppix or anything see it?
[07:24] <encryptio> bob2: i only have k3b-i18n (language files) in apt.
[07:25] <encryptio> bob2: i have universe and multiverse enabled.
[07:25] <bob2> encryptio: ok, but k3b is universe.
[07:25] <bob2> encryptio: you're using hoary?
[07:25] <encryptio> i don't see it anywhere in my apt.. could be that stupid bug again.
[07:26] <encryptio> hoary? i don't think so.. i don't know what it is.
[07:26] <mercurus> theBishop: you may have to pass kernel options when you boot the installer ... press F1 when it boots up
[07:26] <encryptio> the dev ubuntu?
[07:26] <bob2> encryptio: the development branch, yes
[07:26] <desp> hmm.
[07:26] <encryptio> nope, warty.
[07:27] <hypa7ia> theBishop: did you have any luck seeing the drive with any livecd distros?
[07:27] <desp> can someone tell me how to let linux know that I want to use only a few certain display modes, such as 1024x768@85Hz?
[07:27] <desp> and to make it use only those modes, and not try any other ones?
[07:28] <crimsun> desp: only specify 85 for VertRefresh and only specify 1024x768 as a Mode
[07:29] <desp> crimsun: aight, but specify -- how? where?
[07:29] <encryptio> stupid bug.. i don't see trackballs either..
[07:30] <hypa7ia> desp: try running sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[07:30] <hypa7ia> abd walk through that
[07:30] <hypa7ia> did i get the command right anyone?
[07:32] <hacked`> guys
[07:33] <hacked`> how can i tell what wireless driver im using?
[07:33] <hypa7ia> lsmod maybe hacked`?
[07:33] <hacked`> says
[07:33] <hacked`> orinoco, orinoco_cs, hermes
[07:33] <hacked`> dont know which one of those
[07:34] <crimsun> orinoco-based
[07:34] <hacked`> k
[07:34] <hacked`> what version of orinoco
[07:34] <hacked`> cause i have to patch it
[07:34] <hacked`> in order to set it to monitor mode
[07:34] <crimsun> desp: you can use the dpkg-reconfigure command as hypa7ia suggested, or manually edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[07:35] <c7_> hi, i'm trying to run doom but when i try to run the game it says "+set tty to 0 to disable"
[07:35] <c7_> how do i set tty = 0?
[07:36] <encryptio> correct me if i'm wrong.. ctrl-alt-f2? then ctrl-alt-f7 to go back?
[07:37] <hacked`> what version of the wireless driver do i have guys
[07:38] <sAlTaIr> hi all anyone who install ubuntu to usb hd success
[07:38] <hypa7ia> gimme a sec hacked`- i'm running the same drivers so i'll have a look :-)
[07:38] <hacked`> thanks hypa
[07:38] <hypa7ia> no problemo :-)
[07:39] <desp> well, I did the dpkg-reconfigure, but I don't see any difference in the Screen Resolution panel in gnome -- it still doesn't know that my monitor can run 640x480@120Hz, for instance
[07:40] <encryptio> isn't that what you wanted?
[07:40] <desp> I want to be able to use these modes: 640x480@120Hz, 800x600@100Hz, 1024x768@85Hz. none other.
[07:40] <encryptio> whoa! usb thumbdrive plug@play! i'm impressed.
[07:41] <desp> I can't seem to find a way to specify a refresh rate and a resolution at the same time in the xfree86 config file
[07:41] <hypa7ia> yeah, i've been so totally impressed with the automounting
[07:41] <sAlTaIr> i install ubuntu to my 8G usb hd but cant boot from it
[07:41] <hypa7ia> hacked`: i totally can't figure out how to find the driver versions :-(
[07:42] <encryptio> sAlTaIr, there aren't any usb firmware (bios) drivers.
[07:42] <sAlTaIr> encryptio,  grub >
[07:42] <hacked`> hypa, how did you get it in monitor mode
[07:43] <sAlTaIr> i think must rebuild kernel
[07:43] <encryptio> sAlTaIr, still, it's unlikely that you'll find any usb drivers for a bootloader.
[07:43] <hypa7ia> hacked`: i haven't tried yet... it's low on the priority list :-(
[07:45] <desp> crimsun: help!
[07:46] <crimsun> desp: you can constrain them using specific Modes
[07:46] <desp> crimsun: I specified 85,100,120 as VertRefresh, which helped as far as getting rid of all the modes with refresh rates lower than 85. still, I can't access the higher ones
[07:47] <crimsun> Modes "1024x768@85" "800x600@100" "640x480@120"
[07:47] <crimsun> if you use that syntax, you'll need to reset VertRefresh to the full range
[07:47] <crimsun> or use 85-120
[07:48] <crimsun> (not really here, cooking spaghetti)
[07:51] <robertj> okay, i'm formally on the adict train now
[07:51] <robertj> It's 2 am and I've got third party and houry sources in my list ;)
[07:52] <hypa7ia> heheh, nice robertj :-)
[07:52] <mercurus> hmm ...
[07:52] <mercurus> I don't want to install mplayer (I already have totem-xine working nicely) but I would like plugin support with mozilla ... any thoughts ?
[07:53] <hypa7ia> mozpugger?
[07:53] <mercurus> there's a fedora core package, but even once run through alien and installed no joy
[07:53] <mercurus> mozplugger is installed, but doesn't include multimedia stuff
[07:53] <mercurus> ie. no totem link
[07:53] <hypa7ia> durn
[07:54] <hypa7ia> no clue, elseways
[07:54] <mercurus> obviously someone has begun writing a plugin for mozilla to link the two ... but I can't find src nor cvs ... only the fedora package
[07:54] <hypa7ia> le boo.  what's it called?
[07:54] <Tsjoklat> mercurus does your totem-xine play .avi?
[07:55] <mercurus> Tsjoklat: haven't tested it ...
[07:55] <mercurus> but I'm trying to play wmvs ...
[07:55] <Tsjoklat> I am a bit reluctant to install mplayer
[07:55] <Tsjoklat> too much choice
[07:55] <mercurus> Tsjoklat: I figure I have a working player that is integrated into Ubuntu ... all I need is the glue to attach it to firefox
[07:56] <hypa7ia> weird eh encryptio?
[07:57] <encryptio> kinda
[07:57] <Tsjoklat> mercurus makes sense
[07:57] <New-B> hi guys...I still cant load into ubuntu.  startx returns "command not found", and /etc/init.d/gdm start returns "No such file or directory"
[07:57] <Tsjoklat> the new firefox can't keep pages loaded mmm
[07:57] <Tsjoklat> mercurus are you using hoary?
[07:57] <encryptio> i'm doing an experiment for myself to see if I can use linux as my main os for 3 weeks
[07:57] <bob2> New-B: you did a default install of ubuntu, right?
[07:57] <New-B> bob2 yes i did
[07:58] <mercurus> Tsjoklat: not yet ... up to date Warty though
[07:58] <bob2> New-B: then something is very very wrong
[07:58] <New-B> bob2: do u think it worth a reinstall?
[07:58] <Tsjoklat> ah okay trying to find someone that is on hoary
[07:58] <Tsjoklat> to test something out for me
[07:59] <bob2> New-B: what does "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n1 | awk '{ print $3}'" print out?
[07:59] <bob2> Tsjoklat: just ask your question
[07:59] <Tsjoklat> bob2 I upgraded to hoary and can not drag files into the trash applet anymore
[08:00] <desp> okay, I screwed up the XF86Config-4 file, and restarted X
[08:00] <Tsjoklat> was wondering if anyone else has this 'issue'
[08:00] <hypa7ia> encryptio: i'm doing a similar thing... it's been a month so far :-)
[08:00] <Tsjoklat> wouldn't call it a problem
[08:00] <bob2> Tsjoklat: if someone had noticed, hopefully they'd have reported it to the BTS
[08:00] <New-B> bob2: 2.3.2.ds1-13ubuntu2
[08:00] <desp> I got told that GDM is disabled for now, until I fix the XF86Config-4 file.  I fixed it.  how do I reenable GDM?
[08:00] <Tsjoklat> I am starting to feel that I am the only one
[08:00] <sAlTaIr> apt-get update -> Temporary failure resolving 'archive.ubuntu.com'
[08:01] <encryptio> set up your dns servers right?
[08:01] <DracosX> desp: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[08:02] <bob2> Tsjoklat: erm, so you checked the BTS and no one else has reported it?
[08:03] <Tsjoklat> no
[08:03] <Tsjoklat> I can't find it, no
[08:03] <bob2> Tsjoklat: so why don't you report it?
[08:04] <desp> DracosX: thanks
[08:04] <Tsjoklat> I posted it on the forums in hope that someone has the same problem
[08:04] <DracosX> quite welcome ;)
[08:04] <bob2> Tsjoklat: erm, bugzilla is where people capable of fixing bugs will be looking
[08:04] <bob2> the forums are sometimes a bit of the blind leading the blind
[08:05] <Tsjoklat> well bob2 to tell you the truth I have no idea how to do it