[10:47] <Guest8193> hi, i am new in ubuntu and need help!
[10:47] <Guest8193> is there somebody who will help me?
[10:48] <joaopinto> Guest8193, the help channgel is #ubuntu
[10:48] <Guest8193> ok thanks
[10:57] <Guest8193> so here i won't find a help? :-(
[10:57] <Hobbsee> Guest8193: no.  This is not a support channel, as you may have noticed.
[10:58] <Guest8193> i know, but i'm lost
[10:58] <Guest8193> could u at lest lead me to support channel, how do i get there
[10:58] <Guest8193> cose i'm a bit stupid in it
[10:59] <czajkowski> Guest8193: do /j #ubuntu
[10:59] <czajkowski> and you should end up in there,
[10:59]  * Hobbsee has no idea how people manage to get here, then say they can't get there, when that's the preset channel
[10:59] <Guest8193> where i find it?
[10:59] <Hobbsee> type "/join #ubuntu"
[10:59] <Hobbsee> without the quotes
[11:00] <czajkowski> Hobbsee: aye folks end up in here sometimes
[11:00] <Guest8193> where should i type it? ( I know i am retard)
[11:00] <Hobbsee> czajkowski: i'm aware.  i've never figured out why, though
[11:01] <czajkowski> Guest8193: how have you accessed here, via a terminal,or a web ?
[11:01] <Guest8193> web
[11:01] <czajkowski> ok, perhaps at the side there is a channel list of a place you can type channel name type #ubuntu
[11:01] <czajkowski> unde rthe chanel list or tell me the page you are on so I can describe it better for you
[11:28] <lukjad007> Morning all
[11:45] <freeflyi2g> @shedule shanghai


[17:11] <ecanuto> hey all... just back from holidays!
[17:15] <ecanuto> jbicha, do you know who I can ping to get a patch on ubuntu kernel? (already did a bug report, attached patch, get it on linux kernel)
[17:18] <jbicha> ecanuto: no but you can ask in #ubuntu-kernel
[17:19] <ecanuto> jbicha, thank you
[17:21] <ecanuto> jbicha, one more question, we forget to include gdebi-core in ubuntu-gnome (without it we can't install .deb in graphical mode). Is there any chance to have a 12.10.2 image?
[17:27] <jbicha> ecanuto: no there won't be any more 12.10 releases
[17:29] <jbicha> ecanuto: is there a bug for that issue?
[17:31] <ecanuto> jbicha, well, when people download skype, google talk plugin or some other debs and try to double click
[17:32] <ecanuto> we have a error message after click "install"
[17:32] <ecanuto> so, no way to install .deb in graphical mode
[17:32] <ecanuto> need to :
[17:32] <ecanuto> dpkg -i xxx.deb
[17:32] <ecanuto> apt-get -f install
[17:32] <ecanuto> not nice for "normal" users
[17:35] <jbicha> ecanuto: if there's a bug, we can follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates to get it fixed in quantal
[17:37] <ecanuto> jbicha, yes, but how I can force a package to be included on a already installed system? update ubuntu-gnome-desktop package dependency?
[17:38] <ecanuto> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/packagekit/+bug/1060395
[18:20] <jbicha> ecanuto: new kernel updates are sort of new packages, but it's up to the sru team
[18:20] <jbicha> anyway, I'm able to install the Google Talk plugin just fine without having gdebi, gdebi-core, or software-center installed
[18:36] <ecanuto> jbicha, no error message? using graphical mode?
[18:37] <ecanuto> with clean GNOME Remix installation it don't works
[18:37] <ecanuto> the gdebi-core is needed since it is the deb backend for packagekit
[18:51] <jbicha> ecanuto: do you have sessioninstaller installed?
[18:53] <everaldo> jbicha, yes
[18:54] <everaldo> looks like Debian already change package kit dependency to include gdebi-core
[18:54] <everaldo> so, we will probably be fine with 13.04
[18:54] <everaldo> but not with 12.10
[18:55] <jbicha> everaldo: installing https://www.google.com/chat/video works just fine with sessioninstaller installed but not software-center or gdebi-core
[18:57] <everaldo> jbicha, here, after install and remove gdebi is also works
[18:57] <everaldo> crazy
[18:57] <everaldo> but with clean installation, don't works
[18:58] <everaldo> same problem in 5 machines yesterday
[18:58] <jbicha> everaldo: which package were you trying to install and what was the error?
[18:59] <jbicha> it wasn't http://askubuntu.com/questions/203907/the-package-is-of-bad-quality-google-chrome was it?
[19:00] <everaldo> jbicha, no, it is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/packagekit/+bug/1060395
[19:05] <jbicha> everaldo: ok, I'm using raring but this needs more investigation before we do an sru
[19:06] <everaldo> jbicha, so, are you fine with haring? recomend it?
[19:12] <jbicha> everaldo: no, I don't recommend raring yet, we're still breaking things :)
[19:12] <everaldo> well, but I need to help fix it
[19:13] <everaldo> jbicha, the live-build-script is already updated?
[19:13] <everaldo> (GNOME Remix)
[22:29] <ali1234> who is maintaining gnome classic session and how much customization does it really have from what is upstream?
[22:29] <ali1234> obviously, there's indicator-applet-* and notify-osd
[22:29] <ali1234> anything else?
[22:29] <TheLordOfTime> jbicha could answer such things :P
[22:30] <jbicha> ali1234: I believe the 2 big changes are that we've enabled the "distributor logo" for Ambiance & Radiance and we ship indicators by default instead of the broken system applets
[22:31] <jbicha> ali1234: I wouldn't count on "GNOME Classic" existing in Ubuntu 13.10 or later
[22:32] <ali1234> so there's not really any customizations outside of standalone packages?
[22:33] <ali1234> and the default configuration
[22:33] <ali1234> i fully expect that it won't be maintained much longer so i'm making plans to ditch ubuntu :(
[22:34] <jbicha> ali1234: ditch Ubuntu for what?
[22:34] <ali1234> well, that's what i'm trying to figure out
[22:34] <ali1234> probably a source based distro, since i already have to build so much from source, i might as well use a distro that makes it easy
[22:34] <jbicha> ali1234: might I suggest Ubuntu 12.04 LTS; it's supposed to have some level of support until 2017
[22:36] <ali1234> no, not really, 12.04 has so many unfixed bugs it's the reason i want to leave
[22:37] <jbicha> ali1234: if you're building things from source anyway, you could try submitting patches and get SRU fixes in
[22:37] <ali1234> do you think a patch reverting compiz to 0.8.8 would be accepted as a SRU?
[22:38] <jbicha> of course not
[22:40] <atrus> jbicha: even in gnome 3.8, which should be in gnome 13.04, "fallback" mode is going away, right?
[22:41] <jbicha> atrus: the current plan is for Ubuntu 13.04 to stick with GNOME 3.6
[22:43] <jbicha> specific pain points are gnome-control-center, gnome-settings-daemon, and GTK; if we know that we're likely to hold back on those, it's difficult to bother trying to package GNOME app updates until at least late in the GNOME release cycle
[22:44] <TheLordOfTime> you realize every version of ubuntu has unfixed bugs right, ali1234
[22:44] <TheLordOfTime> ?
[22:44] <jbicha> some of the unfixable GNOME Shell bugs in Ubuntu 12.04 and 12.10 were because we didn't ship all of the latest gnome-control-center/gnome-settings-daemon
[22:44] <ali1234> sure
[22:44] <ali1234> but not every version has unfixed regressions
[22:46] <ali1234> anyway i'm not here to argue about bugs
[23:01] <jbicha> it's possible GNOME Classic could still survive but it needs people to pick up the pieces that are being dropped from gnome-settings-daemon and elsewhere
[23:02] <ali1234> well yeah. which pieces are those?
[23:02] <ali1234> i'm not sure what gnome-panel really has to do with settings-daemon?
[23:02] <jbicha> ali1234: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=682858
[23:04] <ali1234> i don't see how any of that is relevant to gnome-panel specifically
[23:05] <atrus> jbicha: ugh :(
[23:05] <ali1234> it's largely centered around the UI for switching to/from fallback mode
[23:05] <ali1234> which i have never seen, because i just seleect it directly on the login screen
[23:06] <jbicha> ali1234: they are breaking several of the gnome-applets; maybe those won't matter too much for Ubuntu since we're using indicators but that's not the default
[23:07] <ali1234> great
[23:07] <ali1234> so i'll have to use MATE and gtk2?
[23:08] <jbicha> MATE's not a good choice
[23:08] <ali1234> yeah, really
[23:09] <ali1234> unfrtunately, in order of "goodness", the choices are, gnome-panel 3, gnome-panel 2, xfce, kde, unity, gnome-shell
[23:10] <jbicha> you could use gnome-shell with extensions
[23:11] <ali1234> i tried that, it didn't work
[23:13] <jbicha> ali1234: I think that will get better in GNOME 3.8 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=685744 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=655746
[23:14] <ali1234> i don't mean it didn't work in the sense that it crashed
[23:14] <ali1234> i mean it didn't work in the sense that extensions can't duplicate the functionality of gnome panel


[04:36] <kaisr> quit
[04:55] <AlbinoGeek> Any idea why I might be getting https://db.tt/7lnOv5mu on an Ubuntu Server 14.04.1 amd64 installation under KVM virtualization with VirtIO attached devices?
[04:55] <AlbinoGeek> Given https://db.tt/44ChesAI partitioning (standard.)
[04:57] <cryptodan> I have a quick quiestion, why was snort-mysql removed from the ubuntu packages in 14.04?
[04:59] <AlbinoGeek> For clarifications sake, the installation was carried out over VNC on KVM, where the host machine is a RedHat 6 KVM hypervisor using kvm-intel.ko on an E5-2620 v2 with vt-x and vt-d enabled.  CentOS 6, CentOS 7, Debian 7.6, ArchLinux, FreeBSD, they all installed perfectly fine.  Only Ubuntu is having this issue.
[05:00] <cryptodan> AlbinoGeek: does your CPU support virtualization
[05:01] <AlbinoGeek> cryptodan: As I just specified, yes.  Both VT-d and VT-x are enabled on the host machine.  The VM wouldn't even boot to get into the installer if it didn't.
[05:01] <cryptodan> does your VM Software support it?
[05:01] <cryptodan> I have installed Ubuntu on Virtualbox and VM Workstation
[05:02] <AlbinoGeek> cryptodan: "VM Software"?   The host machine is a RedHat 6 machine using KVM virtualization as a kernel module, and qemu-kvm as the software package.
[05:02] <cryptodan> and they work flawlessly
[05:02] <AlbinoGeek> It does support any Linux variation (x86 and x86_64), as well as other architectures as supported by the host.
[05:02] <AlbinoGeek> As well as many Unix, and Windows.
[05:02] <AlbinoGeek> Ubuntu however, 14.04.1 amd64, is failing to install grub.
[05:03] <cryptodan> check the hard drive format look at /dev/vda as the error message
[05:03] <AlbinoGeek> The specific media used is http://mirrors.us.kernel.org/ubuntu-releases/trusty/ubuntu-14.04.1-server-amd64.iso
[05:03] <AlbinoGeek> cryptodan: /dev/vda is a QEMU Virtual SCSI Device, of size 5.120 GB ; standard.
[05:03] <AlbinoGeek> Device prefix: vd , Target: vda , Cache: none
[05:03] <cryptodan> Can you change it
[05:03] <AlbinoGeek> To ?
[05:04] <AlbinoGeek> What, a 1990's IDE device?  Sure, if Ubuntu really requires it.
[05:04] <AlbinoGeek> At the expense of 90% of the system performance.
[05:04] <cryptodan> from /dev/vda to /dev/sda or something like it
[05:04] <cryptodan> or use another hard drive format like VMHD or VDI
[05:04] <AlbinoGeek> cryptodan: The underlying disk format is currently RAW
[05:05] <AlbinoGeek> I have also tried a qcow2 format image, with the same issue.
[05:05] <AlbinoGeek> All signs point to http://mirrors.us.kernel.org/ubuntu-releases/trusty/ubuntu-14.04.1-server-amd64.iso being a broken release, from what I can find.
[05:05] <cryptodan> ill try installing it in VMWare Workstation
[05:07] <AlbinoGeek> It works on an IDE device, but that is hardly a solution (/dev/hda ) , as that loses about 90% throughput performance.
[05:08] <cryptodan> try changing it from /dev/vda to /dev/sda
[05:10] <AlbinoGeek> cryptodan: The Ubuntu installer doesn't even detect the disk when attached as a Paravirtualized SCSI bus.
[05:10] <AlbinoGeek> (it doesn't have the VirtIO drivers, gg canonical.)
[05:11] <cryptodan> sounds like a limition of your virtualization environment and not Ubuntu
[05:12] <AlbinoGeek> cryptodan: Not sure, Debian 7.6.0 was able to install just fine following the propmpts, as was CentOS 6/7 and ArchLinux Dual
[05:13] <AlbinoGeek> 12.04.(03) doesn't work either, 12.04.04 works though.
[05:13] <cryptodan> so you are unable to select the device in Ubuntu 14.04 so how are you supposed to customize the installation and perform custom disk partitions?
[05:14] <AlbinoGeek> cryptodan: Only if the device is mounted as a Paravirtualized SCSI device does it fail to select device.
[05:14] <AlbinoGeek> However, if I mount it using standard VirtIO, the device shows fine.
[05:15] <AlbinoGeek> With the vda device, I'm here: https://db.tt/dCgtriQ4
[05:16] <AlbinoGeek> If I go to the GRUB step, it shows the same failure message above.
[05:16] <cryptodan> go up to detect disks
[05:17] <AlbinoGeek> Moment, installer got in a loop of "this prerequisite step wasn't completed blah blah" , apparently the installer doesn't like you backtracking.
[05:17] <AlbinoGeek> Doing a fresh one again on a fresh VM\
[05:18] <AlbinoGeek> Go to this point just fine using /dev/vda : https://db.tt/EvG3Ed2j
[05:20] <cryptodan> what does detect disk show
[05:20] <cryptodan> I want to see that
[05:20] <AlbinoGeek> It doesn't, goes to partitioning immediately.
[05:20] <AlbinoGeek> https://db.tt/voG9DWLp created this pretty standard partitions.
[05:21] <cryptodan> can you not select LVM?
[05:21] <AlbinoGeek> The installer literally shows me (in this order) prompts:
[05:22] <AlbinoGeek> Distro is useless to me without LVM, as you can't online expand an ext4 partition without it, sadly.  And Ubuntu doesn't support installing / onto an XFS partition (?)
[05:22] <cryptodan> it would aid in troubleshooting
[05:22] <AlbinoGeek> True, I'll give a try for the sake of this.
[05:23] <AlbinoGeek> Installer then asks me for package proxy (which I don't have one, so I just enter it.)  It's doing "Configuring Apt..." now.
[05:23] <AlbinoGeek> I select "No Automatic Updates", then only add the "OpenSSH Server" in package selection (leaving all else unchecked.)
[05:24] <cryptodan> also what kernel versions are the others running
[05:25] <Gregor3000> Hello, one question - how feasible is it to run server off a USB stick? what folders would need to be moved to hard disk?
[05:26] <AlbinoGeek> I select "Yes" here: https://db.tt/TtUajQzz
[05:26] <AlbinoGeek> Then: https://db.tt/vZr6hGWY
[05:29] <AlbinoGeek> As I said, it appears to be something wrong with the installation media ,but my checksums match those from the mirror I got it off of.
[05:29] <cryptodan> what kind of ddevice support is there for drives in QEMU?
[05:29] <AlbinoGeek> Which was us.mirrors.kernel.org
[05:30] <AlbinoGeek> cryptodan: Every kernel since 2.6.x supports VirtIO, except Ubuntu's versions; where they seem to frequently remove support for no reason.
[05:30] <AlbinoGeek> Where their upstream (Debian) retains support just fine.
[05:30] <cryptodan> not answering my question
[05:30] <AlbinoGeek> What is your question then?
[05:30] <cryptodan> there are various versions of Virtual Hard Drive TYpes
[05:30] <AlbinoGeek> 10.10 installs fine, 12.04.03 fails, 12.04.04 installs fine, 14.04.1 fails
[05:31] <AlbinoGeek> It's really patchy support.
[05:31] <cryptodan> then dont use ubuntu and stick with Debian, CentOS, and Arch for the different packages
[05:31] <AlbinoGeek> Clients need Ubuntu for their software apparently.
[05:32] <AlbinoGeek> and can't use Debian 7.6.0
[05:32] <cryptodan> they should find out why
[05:32] <AlbinoGeek> If I backtrack to "Detect Disks" again, it goes to https://db.tt/HZIT9ogY
[05:33] <AlbinoGeek> Then immediately goes back to the GRUB2 step, which immediately fails again
[05:34] <AlbinoGeek> This is the error this time: https://db.tt/t3B35AO9 completely different error
[05:35] <AlbinoGeek> If I hit continue: https://db.tt/cfiMEx5u
[05:36] <cryptodan> http://askubuntu.com/questions/455440/guest-on-kvm-wont-detect-disk-even-after-seleting-virtio-drivers try redoing the CD
[05:36] <AlbinoGeek> And then, unsurprisingly, the system fails to boot: https://db.tt/XztYzDsC
[05:36] <AlbinoGeek> Reading the link...
[05:37] <AlbinoGeek> That's pretty unrelated.  My host machine is CentOS 6.5 x86_64 using qemu-kvm and kvm-intel.ko latest versions for the 2.6.x CentOS backports kernel (stock stable.)
[05:38] <AlbinoGeek> The guest machine is the Standard Ubuntu Server 14.04.1 amd64 iso obtained from the mirror URL : http://mirrors.us.kernel.org/ubuntu-releases/trusty/ubuntu-14.04.1-server-amd64.iso which matches the checksums also contained in the same folder.
[05:39] <AlbinoGeek> The VM itself is created using the following KVM stanard command line: http://pastie.org/private/y1e2cqtaykwz8nsxlgdg
[05:41] <AlbinoGeek> That command line is created by `virsh create` on the following XML file: http://pastie.org/private/olt5f6i5rszatfsg3eojew
[05:42] <AlbinoGeek> . /var/lib/one/datastores/106/1194/disk.0 being a link to the ISO downloaded from the mirror, disk.1 being a qcow2 format file of size 5120M
[15:34] <a1fa> is kvm recommended virtualization configuration?
[15:35] <lordievader> I'd recommended it. But use whatever you are comfortable with.
[15:36] <a1fa> is there a good web frontend for it?
[15:36] <lordievader> a1fa: No idea. The cli and gui are pretty good though.
[15:37] <a1fa> i'm trying to run this box headless
[15:39] <a1fa> virtual box may cut it
[15:39] <a1fa> i've used phpvirtualbox in the past
[20:29] <[1]Tigger> Anyone here?
[20:31] <[1]Tigger> Someone?
[20:56] <lordievader> !ask | [1]Tigger
[20:59] <[1]Tigger> Can someone help me with my dedi im willing to reward if thats the cost of having some help.  im having issues installing... well any os on my dedi iv had kernel install fails  iv had read only errors ect ect
[23:58] <teward> anyone know whether a 4 year old netbook (not very decent processor, 2 GB of RAM) converted to Ubuntu Server system would be able to act as a repository mirror and how long it'd take for it to sync, approximately, for Precise, Trusty, and Utopic?
[23:59] <teward> keeping in mind whatever resources it'd need to update, of course, being that it IS a pretty low-power system


[05:55] <Tm_T> chrisccoulson_: ah, thanks for the answer
[05:55] <Tm_T> now I have to figure out how I can have beta and stable running in production environment (:
[07:33] <chrisccoulson_> Tm_T, you can't really. even if you download the build from mozilla.org, they will share profile data
[07:33] <chrisccoulson_> making them parallel installable requires some pretty nasty hacks in our packages which makes us unable to use them for any sort of meaningful testing
[07:33] <chrisccoulson_> in addition to not being able to use the proper branding
[07:34] <chrisccoulson_> in the future, whats in the beta channel (and our firefox-next PPA) is basically what is going to end up in the distro
[07:35] <chrisccoulson_> so it's a fairly key part of our QA now
[09:16] <fta> gasp, i should not have rebooted. it's unusable now.
[09:55] <fta> dpm, hi. could you please answer http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=83397 ?
[09:57] <dpm> fta, sure, on it
[10:07] <Tm_T> chrisccoulson_: ah, I might end up doing some mix of installing on different prefix and using other profile/user account
[10:44] <dpm> fta, ok, answered, thanks for the heads up
[12:21] <bhearsum> chrisccoulson_: am now
[12:29] <chrisccoulson_> bhearsum, are you responding to my ping from a few days ago?
[12:29] <chrisccoulson_> i can't remember what that was for now ;)
[12:30] <bhearsum> yeah :P
[14:02] <chrisccoulson_> bhearsum, https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/firefox-aurora
[14:02] <chrisccoulson_> nothing in there yet though ;)
[14:03] <chrisccoulson_> i will start some builds after the next merge
[14:03] <bhearsum> oh, sweet!
[17:07] <Saamm> how can I install xul-notify extension in Firefox 4. It works with firefox 3
[17:07] <micahg> Saamm: you can't, it's been abandoned upstream
[17:07] <Saamm> oh
[17:08] <Saamm> Too bad it was good extension. Is there a way to update it?
[17:08] <micahg> actually, I think Debian bumped the compatability version in their last upload, but idk if it actually will work
[17:09] <Saamm> Can you give the link to updated package.
[17:10] <micahg> Saamm: oh, maybe not, was only bumped to 3.6
[17:11] <Saamm> :( Thanks anyway
[17:29] <chrisccoulson_> bumping the compatibility won't work, it's using interfaces that have been removed
[17:29] <chrisccoulson_> (nsIExtensionManager)
[17:51] <chrisccoulson_> jeez, mozvoikko doesn't appear to be very well maintained
[17:51] <chrisccoulson_> i'm really not sure what we're going to do about that
[17:52] <micahg> chrisccoulson_: talk to dpm and see if he can drum up interest?
[17:54] <chrisccoulson_> i'm going to try and reimplement it in JS
[17:54] <fta> \o/ i restored my desktop to a sane state
[17:54] <fta> no more blue
[17:55] <fta> and far less light grey
[17:55] <chrisccoulson_> fta - i haven't done any more updates since i upgraded to oneiric last week
[17:55] <fta> yesterday, they broke everything
[17:55] <chrisccoulson_> my machine is *barely* working already, i'm not sure i want to break it further ;)
[17:55] <fta> what's broken?
[17:55] <micahg> gdm is totally broke on oneiric AFAICT, I switched to kdm for the moment
[17:55] <fta> it's quite ok here
[17:56] <micahg> then the dependencies aren't correct
[17:56]  * micahg is using xubuntu
[18:04] <chrisccoulson_> w00t, mozvoikko builds again
[18:04] <chrisccoulson_> now to see if it actually works
[18:04] <chrisccoulson_> although, i have no idea how to test it really. i guess i need to be finnish
[18:06] <chrisccoulson_> well, finnish spellchecking works
[18:06] <chrisccoulson_> i guess it's good then
[18:41] <m_conley> chrisccoulson_: ping
[18:41] <chrisccoulson_> hi m_conley
[18:41] <m_conley> chrisccoulson_: hey - was wondering if you'd had a chance to look at unitylauncher-extension yet
[18:42] <chrisccoulson_> m_conley, i was going to wait until we got tbird 3.3 in the archive
[18:42] <m_conley> chrisccoulson_: ah, ok - that's fine.
[18:42] <m_conley> chrisccoulson_: other question:  have you been able to get Chromebug working in 3.3 yet?
[18:42] <chrisccoulson_> i haven't tried recently
[18:42] <m_conley> chrisccoulson_: alright.  I just miss my favourite tool. :)
[18:43] <chrisccoulson_> m_conley, it still doesn't work?
[18:44] <m_conley> chrisccoulson_: for me, no. crashes on startup.
[20:01] <chrisccoulson_> b'ah, we still have far too many extensions in lucid and maverick
[20:01] <chrisccoulson_> i can see my free time this cycle rapidly disappearing
[20:14] <micahg> chrisccoulson_: I'll take some of them
[22:14] <fta> hm, the chromium builds are starting to timeout a lot at build time on amd64 maverick and lucid
[22:14] <fta> i guess it's time to move to ld-gold
[22:15] <fta> BUGabundo, ola
[22:17] <BUGabundo> hey folks
[22:18] <BUGabundo> fta: hey. is it chromium or is 11.10 messing with the X?
[22:18] <BUGabundo> I see HUGE red squares
[22:18] <fta> BUGabundo, did you upgrade today?
[22:18] <BUGabundo> where used to be buttons
[22:18] <fta> screenshot
[22:18] <BUGabundo> fta: fully upgraded
[22:18] <BUGabundo> pidgin is missing icons too
[22:18] <BUGabundo> so im blaming 11.10
[22:18] <fta> that's gnome3
[22:19] <BUGabundo> ahh
[22:19] <fta> do you have gnome-themes-standard?
[22:19] <fta> show me
[22:19] <BUGabundo> let me see
[22:20] <BUGabundo> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[22:20] <BUGabundo>   gnome-themes-standard
[22:20] <BUGabundo> The following partially installed packages will be configured:
[22:20] <BUGabundo>   gnome-icon-theme{b} totem totem-mozilla totem-plugins totem-plugins-extra
[22:20] <BUGabundo> 0 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 15 not upgraded.
[22:20] <BUGabundo> Need to get 903 kB of archives. After unpacking 6,058 kB will be used.
[22:20] <BUGabundo> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[22:20] <BUGabundo>   gnome-icon-theme: Depends: libgtk-3-bin but it is not going to be installed.
[22:20] <BUGabundo> YAY for broken depencies
[22:27] <fta> you have something wrong
[22:28] <fta> it's all installable here
[22:28] <fta> 15 not upgraded is not good
[22:31] <BUGabundo> it wants to remove 34 packages :S
[22:31] <BUGabundo> heck
[22:31] <BUGabundo> let me do it!
[22:31] <BUGabundo> Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?]
[22:31] <BUGabundo> a BIG YES
[22:32] <BUGabundo> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[22:32] <BUGabundo>   apturl{a} banshee{a} banshee-extension-soundmenu{a} banshee-extension-ubuntuonemusicstore{a} brasero{a} empathy{a} empathy-common{u}   eog{a} evince{a} evince-dbg{a} evolution-webcal{u} gir1.2-totem-1.0{u} gir1.2-totem-plparser-1.0{u} gnome-applets{a}   gnome-codec-install{a} gnome-control-center{a} gnome-icon-theme{a} gnome-panel{a} gnome-screensaver{a} gnome-session{a}   gnome-themes-ubuntu{a} humanity-icon-theme{a} indicator-a
[22:54] <[reed]> what's the package that contains the gpg keys for the various ubuntu repos?
[23:05] <chrisccoulson_> micahg, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/FirefoxUpgradeChecklist/5.0
[23:07] <chrisccoulson_> [reed], those are shipped with apt i think
[23:08] <chrisccoulson_> /usr/share/apt/ubuntu-archive.gpg
[23:09] <[reed]> seems like also ubuntu-keyring
[23:54] <micahg> chrisccoulson_: thanks for setting that up
[23:57] <micahg> chrisccoulson_: I want to confirm with jdstrand, but I'm ok with uploading empty packages for the extensions in universe in lucid and maverick with a debconf prompt saying that people should install them from addons.mozilla.org
[23:58] <chrisccoulson_> micahg, i think if we ship the xpi's in /usr/lib/firefox-5.0/distribution, then they get installed to the profile on the next restart instead
[23:58] <chrisccoulson_> where they will be managed by the addons-manager
[23:59] <micahg> chrisccoulson_: so basically, this'll then be the last update we have to do for them?
[23:59] <chrisccoulson_> micahg, if it works ;)
[23:59] <micahg> ok, well, let's test that theory then :)


[00:03] <Flannel> lfaraone: Renditions?
[00:04] <lfaraone> Flannel: sorry, the logo image files themselves.
[00:05] <Flannel> Which one(s)?
[01:11] <troy_s> Flannel  lfaraone - It doesn't matter which ones. Canonical owns that logo. Period.
[01:12] <troy_s> Flannel lfaraone - http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy
[01:12] <Flannel> troy_s: I'm aware
[01:13] <troy_s> Flannel: Ok. Seemed a strange question "Which one(s)"
[18:38] <thorwil> kwwii: how do you feel about a page on the wiki that comes down to just a single link to gnome-look? said link hidden in bad markup
[18:38] <thorwil> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Lucid/LucidX
[18:42] <thorwil> i feel the urge to just remove the page in response to a lack of trying to get this right :/
[20:37] <troy_s> This is brilliant. http://www.andyrutledge.com/creativity-is-not-design-test-2.php
[21:32] <brettalton> who posted this http://www.andyrutledge.com/creativity-is-not-design-test-2.php? My laptop unexpectedly rebooted


[17:36] <gabe21> Hello, I am running into issues updating Wine to the latest version. I am on the latest version of Xubuntu and can provide screenshots of the error.
[19:00] <d4nger> hi there


[09:33] <tseliot> infinity: hey, can you approve nvidia-graphics-drivers-346, nvidia-graphics-drivers-346-updates, nvidia-graphics-drivers-340, nvidia-graphics-drivers-340-updates in New (trusty-proposed), please?
[09:33] <tseliot> infinity: or tjaalton won't be able to review them for the SRU
[12:51] <coreycb> RAOF, arges: can one of you review  the oslo.messaging sru in the trusty queue?  we're waiting on that before testing the recent stable icehouse release in proposed.
[13:30] <arges> coreycb: its almost midnight in his tz, so I'll take a look
[13:31] <coreycb> thanks arges
[15:31] <sil2100> Dear release team, could you discard the network-manager upload that just happened to vivid? Thanks ;) Version <IP_ADDRESS>-4ubuntu15.1.4
[15:32] <sil2100> This should have landed in the overlay instead...
[16:07] <cyphermox> slangasek: thanks ^
[16:11] <slangasek> cyphermox: no problem
[16:11] <slangasek> sil2100: done
[16:18] <rbasak> Please can someone reject docker.io from utopic and vivid unapproved, as we have replacements to supercede them that fix a couple of additional issues we found? Leave trusty though - that one is good to go.
[16:20] <slangasek> rbasak: done
[16:20] <rbasak> Thank you!
[23:44] <bdmurray> slangasek: thinking about the sru-verification team and sru-remove I think the easiest thing is to just add ubuntu-sru to sru-verification as the other option (not using the team anymore) would require a fair bit more work (fixing tools, unsubscribing the team from existing bugs, some documentation updates)
[23:44] <slangasek> bdmurray: ack
[23:45] <bdmurray> the other option makes sense, but doesn't seem worth the effort right now
[23:48] <bdmurray> slangasek: I've invited ubuntu-sru to the sru-verification team
[23:52] <slangasek> bdmurray: accepted, thanks


[04:37] <vychune> 346123
[04:37] <vychune> o/
[04:40] <chibihogoshino> numbers ?
[04:41]  * cyberanger is beat
[04:42] <chibihogoshino> beat ?
[04:44] <vychune> -+
[04:44] <cyberanger> worn out
[04:44] <vychune> dropped my keyboard
[04:45] <cyberanger> twice?
[04:45] <vychune> yep
[04:45] <vychune> why r u tired
[04:56] <cyberanger> vychune: I'd presume lack of sleep, todays work, the fact it's shy of midnight, or just finally unable to stay up non-stop
[04:57] <cyberanger> I dunno what the reason is, bit the fact remains :-/
[04:57] <vychune> those will do it
[05:00] <cyberanger> awesome, too much time on the clock, forced one and a half hour break
[05:01] <cyberanger> and it'll be longer than that (gotta grab more cat5 cable, we're short)
[05:01] <cyberanger> next time I do a job on this scale, I'm bringing an extra 5ft, and a "How to kill somebody with network cord for Dummies" book
[05:02] <vychune> lol
[05:03] <cyberanger> I knew this was at least a two man job (luckily a 2nd person stepped up this morning) but nobody came out to really check measurements and what not
[05:03] <vychune> bummer
[05:04] <cyberanger> this might have been a three person bit, due to snaking cable between drywall and routing around some think firewall material
[05:04] <cyberanger> only in some ways it's a bummer
[05:04] <cyberanger> but the upside isn't here yet
[05:04] <cyberanger> when this job is done, I'll have met a few more presidents
[05:05] <cyberanger> ;-)
[05:06] <vychune> hmm ok
[05:08] <cyberanger> vychune: in case you didn't catch that, pull out your wallet, and look for anything green
[05:08] <vychune> oh those presidents
[05:09] <cyberanger> yes, a much sought after paycheck
[05:09] <vychune> care to share lol
[05:13] <cyberanger> oh, yes, with my coworker on this project, cell phone provider, ISP, hosting provider
[05:13] <vychune> lol
[05:13] <cyberanger> and If I'm luckly, myself
[05:13] <vychune> LOL
[05:14] <cyberanger> well, actually I care not to, wish not to, but don't really want to be flogged either
[05:14] <vychune> well i had my laugh.
[05:14] <vychune> going to bed
[05:14] <vychune> and so should u
[05:14] <cyberanger> (and my coworker will probally flog me with the suv, somehow)
[05:14] <cyberanger> vychune: oh, I will be
[05:14] <vychune> lol
[05:14] <vychune> o\
[05:14] <cyberanger> once the cat 5 is here, we'll see how far we are
[05:14] <vychune> k
[05:15] <cyberanger> we might finish now, and be done, or sleep and spend another half day here
[05:15] <cyberanger> see you later vychune
[05:15] <vychune> hope everything turns into green
[05:15] <vychune> night
[05:15] <cyberanger> if it doesn't, I'll settle for red (but it will
[05:16] <cyberanger> I wouldn't put myself through this if I didn't think the ends are 100% my favor)
[13:55] <chibihogoshino> soooo
[13:56] <chibihogoshino> what to do ..
[13:56] <chibihogoshino> i removed my kernel
[14:00] <cyberanger>  chibihogoshino your entire kernel
[14:00] <cyberanger> no version remains
[14:00] <chibihogoshino> yeah
[14:00] <cyberanger> and yet your still online
[14:00] <chibihogoshino> the boot dir was empty
[14:00] <cyberanger> oh crap
[14:00] <chibihogoshino> i put it back with apt-get
[14:00] <cyberanger> are you livedisking it then
[14:01] <chibihogoshino> no.. it never went off line
[14:01] <cyberanger> ok, but boot is still toast
[14:01] <chibihogoshino> i repopulated the boot dir
[14:01] <chibihogoshino> ran update_grub and it seams ok for now
[14:02] <chibihogoshino> ill find out when i reboot sometime
[14:02] <cyberanger> then you seem to be ok
[14:02] <chibihogoshino> i was shur it was going to crash with no kernel files
[14:02] <cyberanger> it should be impossible to remove your kernel
[14:02] <cyberanger> well, via a package manager
[14:03] <chibihogoshino> yeah thats what i thought
[14:03] <cyberanger> but you could have nuked the bootloaded
[14:03] <cyberanger> less of a problem, equally frustrating
[14:03] <chibihogoshino> i hope not
[14:03] <chibihogoshino> i dont have a live disk right now
[14:04] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: what's your version?
[14:05] <chibihogoshino> 2.6.32-20
[14:05] <chibihogoshino> er 2.6.32-30
[14:05] <cyberanger> 10.04, 10.10 (lucid or maverick)
[14:05] <cyberanger> sorry for that confusion
[14:06] <chibihogoshino> oh
[14:06] <chibihogoshino> 10.04
[14:06] <cyberanger> well, grab a blank disc
[14:06] <cyberanger> eject && read && eject -t && wget http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/CDs/lucid/ubuntu-10.04.2-desktop-i386.iso && wodim speed=0 ubuntu-10.04.2-desktop-i386.iso
[14:07] <cyberanger> that'll cover you
[14:07] <chibihogoshino> oh .. heh i didnt even think of using a cd
[14:07] <cyberanger> well, it's working atm
[14:07] <cyberanger> your short a disc, that'll fix that
[14:08] <cyberanger> or perhaps a usb drive
[14:08] <chibihogoshino> i have a 10.04 and 10.10 iso
[14:08] <cyberanger> wget http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/CDs/lucid/ubuntu-10.04.2-desktop-i386.iso && usb-creator
[14:08] <chibihogoshino> i have 10.04 on a memory card just no reader right now
[14:08] <cyberanger> ah, then nothing is stopping you from making a boot card/disc now
[14:09] <cyberanger> before a reboot
[14:09] <chibihogoshino> yep.  other than me being lazy and not wanting to move off the couch
[14:11] <cyberanger> sudo make $USER/asandwhich
[14:11] <cyberanger> I get being lazy
[14:11] <chibihogoshino> when i am really sleep deprived i have had thoughts like that
[14:12]  * cyberanger thanks sudo for the speedy service, but I don't recall having any turkey or swiss in the fridge
[14:13] <chibihogoshino> i wish i could apt-get my self a pizza
[14:13] <chibihogoshino> pizza-get
[14:13] <cyberanger> isn't delivery easy enough
[14:13] <cyberanger> well, a sunday at 9AM perhaps not, but yeah
[14:14] <chibihogoshino> pizza-get lt sauce 1/2 mush-cheese 1/2 cheese
[14:16] <chibihogoshino> well its about time.. adding support for the mic in the sound options
[14:16] <chibihogoshino> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/natty-sound-menu-adds-microphone-slider-for-skype-calls
[14:19] <chibihogoshino> everyone opens at 11 :-(
[14:20] <cyberanger> we've got a few sooner
[14:20] <cyberanger> 40 minutes
[14:23] <chibihogoshino> i miss this place http://www.campusfood.com/restaurant.asp?campusid=76&mlid=257781
[14:28] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: don't think we have one of them here
[14:30] <chibihogoshino> yeah
[14:38] <chibihogoshino> two pieces would fill you
[23:34] <Xpistos> hi guys


[00:04] <donu7> Hello, juju is giving me an error in the later stage of bootstrapping the environment. Is there a way to "resume" the bootstrap? I've been releasig the node from maas, deleting the environment and recreating it to try again
[00:21] <donu7> The node is up and commissioned according to maas; however, i can't ssh into it. if i reboot the node into single user, i see that the passwd file does not have any users and there appears to be no maas keys that were supposed to be set up in juju and maas
[00:23] <donu7> Also, running `juju status` or any `juju *` commands just hangs with no output — why is that?
[00:31] <donu7> actually, here's a different direction if anyone has any ideas - is there a resource on configuring network interfaces for the box that juju is trying to bootstrap?
[00:55] <cloudgur_> is the git repo for juju experiencing issues ?
[00:55] <cloudgur_> Nice pic of unicorn
[01:07] <bolthole_> mbruzek yeah looks good thanks :)
[01:07] <bolthole_> now I need to learn how to access webapp-path
[01:10] <bolthole_> https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/authors-charm-writing is unbalanced. it shows bash using an apparent external command "relation-set", but doesnt show the corresponding other side accessing the value
[03:14] <bolthole_> mbruzek I just submitted https://code.launchpad.net/~s-phil-s/charms/trusty/tomcat-webapp/trunk
[03:14] <bolthole_> not fully tested, but figure the earlier I get feedback the better :)
[03:15] <bolthole_> oh he left. oops. well, feedback from anyone else would be appreciated too :)
[04:12] <bolthole_> there seems to be something wrong with instructions on https://jujucharms.com/docs/1.24/authors-charm-store
[04:12] <bolthole_> The instructions for (to main charm store) vs (to personal space), seem to say to push to the exact same URL
[04:13] <bolthole_> bzr push lp:~<your-lp-username>/charms/trusty/<your-charm>/trunk
[04:13] <bolthole_> vs
[04:13] <bolthole_> bzr push lp:~your-launchpad-username/charms/series/nagios/trunk
[04:13] <bolthole_> which. is. the. same. thing.
[04:37] <bolthole_> kwmonroe that tomcat code is bugged.
[04:37] <bolthole_> i updated https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+source/tomcat/+bug/1538715 with details
[04:37] <mup> Bug #1538715: need relation webcontainer <tomcat (Juju Charms Collection):Fix Released by mbruzek> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1538715>
[04:37] <bolthole_> lol
[06:13] <bolthole_> kwmonroe I submitted a merge request for a fix for that syntax err  in tomcat charm
[10:22] <D4RKS1D3> Hi
[10:22] <D4RKS1D3> Someone has problems downloading charms?
[12:57] <marcoceppi> D4RKS1D3: I haven't, what problems are you seeing?
[14:02] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: do we have virtualenv for layers? instead of installing on the bare machine
[14:15] <cory_fu> Not yet
[14:15] <cory_fu> Shouldn't be difficult to add, though
[15:08] <marcoceppi> stub: your leadership layer is badass! Thnks for uploading it
[15:09] <stub> Your about to get an apt layer too
[15:09] <marcoceppi> idk if I can handle all of this
[15:09] <marcoceppi> it's too much for my heart!
[15:11] <stub> All the bits of behaviour shared between the PostgreSQL and Cassandra charms in fact.
[15:27] <marcoceppi> stub: how very exciting
[15:46] <geetha> mbruzek: Hi, I have got a comment for WebSphere Base product where its mentioned that we should add configuration options for profile options like profile name, path, and admin username and password. But once Websphere product installed and if user set new username and password through config option, there is no way to replace existing was admin username and password. So there is no benifit to the user if we provide config options for adm
[16:03] <mbruzek> geetha: hrmm...
[16:07] <mbruzek> geetha: It is strange that you can't change the admin user.  I will have to read the documentation for WAS on that.  The admin password can not be default, generate a password and save it to a file only root can read in the charm dir or something like that.  I still think the user will want to change the profile name, path and regular user.
[16:08] <mbruzek> geetha: The point is we can not have default username/password for network services so people can not guess or know what the password is by reading the charm.
[16:09] <mbruzek> geetha: The charm had very few configuration parameters and it will be more useful if you provide some of the things a user would change like profile or path and user/pass.  Can you change non-admin usernames and password?
[16:13] <geetha> mbruzek: Its not system admin user name and password..its specific to Websphere, once we create profile using username and password we can not change it, but we can create new profile with diffrent username and password
[16:13] <mbruzek> geetha: https://www-01.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSYJ99_8.5.0/security/was_filereg.html
[16:15] <mbruzek> geetha: If someone needs a specific profile. path and username I think that is reasonable that the old profile is removed/
[16:15] <mbruzek> If you charm could control those values form the config that would be a useful charm, but setting all those values to default is not likely going to work for many users
[16:26] <geetha> mbruzeK: As per document, "websphere_install_directory/profiles" is the default directory for profiles. so  I am using that only to create profiles. And If we try to delete old profile, before deletion we have to stop the server with old username and password. If that is the case, how can we get old user name and password?
[16:27] <mbruzek> Again if you wrote the password to a file readable only by root, the charm code could read that and use it to delete the old profile, and after you are done stopping/starting you could write the new password
[16:28] <mbruzek> This all is seems possible with charm code.  I just want this charm to be useful to people, having only the default values will not be very useful.
[16:28] <jmalcaraz> jamespage, D4RKS1D3 and jmalcaraz have been working hard these days, testings a lot your "odl" charms. We believe you would welcome this feedback. 1) Relationship  openvswitch-odl:neutron-plugin nova-compute:neutron-plugin. This relationship should be in charge of "removing any existing bridges in OVS", "population the ODL version of the ml2_conf.ini and setting the manager and controller to OVS and br-int. However, it only does the "manager in OVS". 2)
[16:28] <jmalcaraz>  There is a conceptual missing relationship between openvswitch-odl and neutron-gateway. The problem is that the  neutron gateway does not provide the interface "neutron-plugin" and thus is cannot be applied. The aim is to achieve exactly what I decided in the prevision step but now over the neutron-gateway rather than over the nova-compute. We hope you find this feedback useful and hopefully you may like to address them in order to close a prototypical
[16:28] <jmalcaraz>  integration using charms. Thanks a lot, in advance for the excellent work you are doing.
[16:29] <kwmonroe> geetha: you won't need the old user name and password.  if the user changes the configurable profile name, you would stop WAS, then run 'was_install_dir/bin/manageprofiles.sh -listProfiles' to get the profile name, then 'manageprofiles.sh -delete -profileName <profile', then create a new profile, then start the WAS with the new profile.  that should happen in config-changed.
[16:29] <jmalcaraz> jamespage, sorry, I was refering to the relationship openvswitch-odl:neutron-plugin nova-compute:neutron-plugin
[16:31] <jmalcaraz> jamespage, notice that in the own documentation of the charms the relationship between openvswitch and gateway is there. Literraly: "juju add-relation neutron-gateway openvswitch-odl", however the interfaces does not match in the metadata.yaml
[16:33] <geetha> kwmonroe: To stop WAS we need usename and password. Because we have enabled security. we have to run command to stop server ./stopServer.sh server1 -username "user" -password "password"
[16:35] <kwmonroe> oh i see geetha - you're talking about changing the admin username/password.  i was thinking about how it would work to change the profile name.
[16:35] <kwmonroe> let me think about an admin user/pass change for a minute..
[16:42] <geetha> kwmonroe: yes, if user change just profile name we can stop WAS, delete old profile and create new profile. but user change admin username/password also how can we do that? as matt said, we have to store it in a file and we can use it while stopping the server. After stopping again we have to rewrite the file with new username/password right?
[16:51] <kwmonroe> geetha: it seems like you can reset the WAS admin without knowing the old password.  run wsadmin and then perhaps an expect script to execute '$AdminTask changeFileRegistryAccountPassword -userId <newuser> -password <newpass>' (http://ibmdocs.com/2011/11/04/resetting-was-admin-password-when-the-browser-console-does-not-work-anymore/)
[16:51] <kwmonroe> once the new user/pass has been set, you should be able to stop/start WAS using the newly configured user/pass.
[17:04] <geetha> thank you Kevin & Matt...I will try this way.
[17:23] <bolthole> i posted a question late last night but got disconnected, so I'll ask again :-/
[17:24] <bolthole> The url at https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/authors-charm-store describes "two methods" of putting up charms; one for the store, and one for personal space. however, they seem to tell me to do the same thing. what am I missing
[17:24] <bolthole> example:
[17:24] <bolthole> to publish to charm store it says,
[17:24] <bolthole> bzr push lp:~<your-lp-username>/charms/trusty/<your-charm>/trunk
[17:25] <bolthole> but to publish to personal name space, use
[17:25] <bolthole> bzr push lp:~your-launchpad-username/charms/series/nagios/trunk
[17:25] <bolthole> but... that's the same thing, seems to me.
[17:28] <marcoceppi> bolthole: yes, they are both published to the store, however one goes on to say how to get it "promulgated" or approved past the personal namespace
[17:29] <marcoceppi> bolthole: these docs (and process) are pretty confusing, we have a more streamlined process coming on next month
[17:31] <bolthole> whie I remember: docs are out of date. they claim, "Name Spaced charms will be displayed under the other category in the GUI". but thre's no such category now, that i can see. I presume they mean in the search widget for the GUI
[17:33] <bolthole> suggestion for rewrite: make the first section a single unified, "[whether you plan for your charm to be in the store, or just in your personal area, you do the same first step: ... (details)]"
[17:33] <bolthole> now a followup question...
[17:34] <bolthole> I dont see what you describe, about something getting approved past the personal namespace.
[17:34] <bolthole> i'm presuimg that getting in the store, is NOT the same thing as a "charmer team recommended charm"
[17:48] <bloodearnest> is there a way for a tool that is installed on a juju machine to query the units running on it?
[17:49] <bloodearnest> (this is for logging purposes)
[17:51] <lazypower|travel> bloodearnest i'm not sure i follow
[17:51] <lazypower|travel> what are you wanting to do?
[18:03] <kwmonroe> bolthole: the Recommended Charms section of the doc you linked (authors-charm-store) is the process for going past personal namespace and making it "charmer recommended", which is indeed the same thing as "getting it in the store".
[18:03] <bolthole> okay thanks
[18:04] <kwmonroe> bolthole: i like your rewrite suggestion -- i know marcoceppi already mentioned the docs were in transition, but that's an important one to clear up.  thanks!
[18:04] <bolthole> i previously pushed my own charm, to "lp:~s-phil-s/blahblahblah".  This time, I tried just "bzr push". It said it was pushing to (...)//bazaar.launchpad.net/(...). Is there some difference between bazaar.lp, and.. the other stuff? more confusion :(
[18:05] <marcoceppi> bolthole: that's just a limitation of bzr. "lp:" is basically bazzar.lp.net/...
[18:06] <marcoceppi> bolthole: next month you'll be able to use whatever code hosting you'd like and publishing to the charm store is decopued from launchpad
[18:07] <bolthole> cool. okay, soo... i finally have a charm that is "charm proof" clean. and I pushed it. that means in around an hour, I will finally be able to use    juju deploy lp:~s-phil-s/Mystuff ?  previously, i pushed it, but didnt have unique icon, so i guess it didnt allow that.
[18:09] <bloodearnest> lazypower|travel, I want to look in some file or similar to know what unit(s) are deployed on this machine. Would like to differentiate between primary and subordinate units
[18:10] <bolthole> (side comment.. it's... "interesting".. that I can view the same code tree, through both bazaar.lp.net and code.lp.net)
[18:10] <kwmonroe> yeah bolthole, if proof passes, it should ingest into the store in about an hour.  note that your invocation will be "juju deploy cs:~s-phil-s/trusty/Mystuff" though.  the 'cs' syntax tells juju that you want a trusty charm from the charmstore (cs), in ~s-phil-s's namespace.
[18:11] <kwmonroe> you could skip waiting for ingestion with "juju deploy local:trusty/Mystuff", but i think you already knew that.
[18:11] <kwmonroe> cs:blah is the right way to pull from the store
[18:15] <bolthole> kmonroe: kewl. done and done. also, officially submitted topcat-webapp to charms. now, I just need someone to aprove my bugfix merge request for the mainline tomcat charm so it actually *works* ;-)
[18:16] <bolthole> doh... kwmonroe
[18:19] <bolthole> btw i'm going to try to change my lp id from s-phil-s to match my github name, bolthole
[18:19] <kwmonroe> bloodearnest: you could do something like this on the machine: sudo find /var/lib/juju/agents/unit-* -name metadata.yaml -exec echo {} \; -exec grep subordinate {} \;
[18:20] <bloodearnest> kwmonroe, right. I was wondering if there was a better way than sniffing files
[18:20] <kwmonroe> bloodearnest: even better (in caes you don't want to see pathnames..
[18:20] <kwmonroe> sudo find /var/lib/juju/agents/unit-* -name metadata.yaml -exec grep name {} \; -exec grep subordinate {} \;
[18:21] <kwmonroe> ah, i see bloodearnest.  i'm not sure of a utility on the juju deployed machine that can tell you that info (other than looking in /var/lib/juju/x)
[18:21] <kwmonroe> bloodearnest: on the juju client machine, you can run 'juju status' and perhaps grep/awk your way to the data you'd like
[18:21] <bloodearnest> kwmonroe, yeah, I was wondering if I could query a juju agent or something
[18:22] <bloodearnest> kwmonroe, I want to discover it automatically on the unit itself
[18:23] <bloodearnest> fwiw, the use case is that I want to add a juju-unit tag to all log statements my app generates (and subsequently forwards to logstash)
[18:23] <bloodearnest> as the complete disconnect between hostname and juju-unit name is real PITA when debugging distributed failures
[18:26] <bloodearnest> I think I'll just have to get the each charm to set it explicitly in an env var, but I was hoping to avoid having to do that
[18:37] <marcoceppi> bloodearnest: there's no way to really tell about other units if you're not related to them
[18:37] <marcoceppi> querying /var/lib/juju directly will only end in pain
[18:38] <bloodearnest> marcoceppi, I only really want to know which unit I am
[18:38] <marcoceppi> bloodearnest: what do you mean
[18:38] <marcoceppi> the subordinates unit number?
[18:38] <marcoceppi> or the primary attached to?
[18:39] <bloodearnest> marcoceppi, the primary, in most cases
[18:39] <bloodearnest> which unit installed/configured me
[18:39] <marcoceppi> bloodearnest: oh, that's easy. Create a relation for juju-info interface
[18:39] <marcoceppi> then during that relation you can do `JUJU_REMOTE_UNIT` which will give you the service/unit name you're related to
[18:40] <bloodearnest> I can't create a relation - I'm on a unit
[18:40] <bloodearnest> I don't have juju client/creds
[18:41] <bloodearnest> some context: I already include the hostname automatically, which I don't need to explicitly configure
[18:41] <bolthole> Hm.. is there some equivalent of "juju query cs:blah" to match "juju deploy cs:blah", where you dont want to deploy, you just want to verify or find out info on a charm in the store?
[18:41] <bolthole> the juju help stuff doesnt see to mention anything
[18:42] <bloodearnest> bolthole, charm search?
[18:42] <bloodearnest> charm-tools pkg
[18:44] <bolthole> juju charm search works nice for my immediate needs. thanks. Although seems like it would be nice to have a "pull more details" varient of that.
[18:49] <marcoceppi> bloodearnest: I don't understand.
[18:49] <marcoceppi> you have to create a realtion to get a subordinate on to a machine
[18:57] <marcoceppi|airpl> nick marcoc|airplane
[19:14] <bolthole> having problems deploying from personal space.
[19:15] <bolthole> juju charm search tomcat, lists, among other things, lp:~bolthole/charms/trusty/tomcat/trunk
[19:15] <bolthole> but when I try to do,   juju deploy lp:~bolthole/charms/trusty/tomcat/trunk   it says invalid charm name?
[19:16] <bolthole> doesnt work if I use cs:~bolthole/charms/trusty/tomcat/trunk either
[19:18] <bolthole> bzr branch lp:~bolthole/charms/trusty/tomcat/trunk works fine though
[19:26] <marcoc|airplane> bolthole: cs:~bolthole/trusty/tomcat is the url, that charm search is woefully out of date in how it performs lookups
[19:26] <marcoc|airplane> bolthole: https://jujucharms.com/u/bolthole/
[19:27] <marcoc|airplane> bolthole: it can take a few hours before showing up, once it does, you'll see it there
[19:27] <marcoc|airplane> bolthole: next month we'll have instant publishing! which doesn't help you now...
[19:27] <bolthole> oh. so reguardless of what "juju charm search" says.. it isnt REALLY available, until it shows up  in that special url?
[19:29] <bolthole> thats kind of odd though, becuae I branched and pushed the thing hours and hours ago.
[19:30] <marcoc|airplane> bolthole: yeah, charm search search launchpad, which is instant, but it takes a few hours to go from launchpad to charm store
[19:30] <bolthole> Is there a magic incantation I can use to deploy direct from launchpad?
[19:31] <marcoc|airplane> bolthole: not really, as you can see this is one of the many reasons we're moving to the much more concise and quick publish tool next month
[19:32] <bolthole> mkaaay.... sooo.. how many hours should it take? :-/
[19:42] <kwmonroe> bolthole: juju deploy cs:~bolthole/trusty/tomcat should work for you
[19:42] <marcoc|airplane> bolthole: 1-6 :\
[19:42] <kwmonroe> it's listed in the store at the url marcoc|airplane referenced
[19:42] <marcoc|airplane> bolthole: oh look! it just showed up
[19:42]  * marcoc|airplane wipes brow
[19:44] <kwmonroe> cory_fu: if i have a @hook('start')\n def myfunc(), can i call myfunc from outside the start hook?
[19:44] <cory_fu> Absolutely
[19:44]  * kwmonroe wipes brow
[20:02] <adam_g> machine-0: 2016/01/28 11:47:23 http: TLS handshake error from <IP_ADDRESS>:53369: remote error: bad certificate
[20:02] <adam_g> machine-0: 2016-01-28 19:47:23 ERROR juju.provisioner provisioner_task.go:655 cannot start instance for machine "2": kvm container creation failed: exit status 1
[20:02] <adam_g> any debug tips for this?
[20:02] <adam_g> my local env magically broke overnight
[20:08] <aisrael> cory_fu: lazypower|travel: The devel docs link to https://github.com/juju-solutions/layer-basic (from https://jujucharms.com/docs/devel/developer-layers) but that repo doesn't exist
[20:14] <cory_fu> Does anyone have an objection to renaming the repo from reactive-base-layer to layer-basic?  That's more in line with the convention we've been using.
[20:20] <cory_fu> Looks like github does the reasonable thing with repo renames, and I'll update interfaces.juju.solutions, so it won't affect anyone.  I'm gonna do it.
[20:28] <aisrael> thanks, cory_fu!
[21:07] <bolthole> marcoc|airplane ha ha, strategic lunch break for the win! :)
[21:41] <bolthole> i'm writing a subordinate charm. it requires a value to be set by relation-set by the master. But itseems (according to juju debug-log) that its install and config hooks are being called AFTER the primary's relation-joined hooks. What am i supposed to do about that?
[22:50] <adam_g>   "1":
[22:50] <adam_g>     agent-state: error
[22:50] <adam_g>     agent-state-info: 'kvm container creation failed: exit status 1'
[22:50] <adam_g>     instance-id: pending
[22:50] <adam_g>     series: trusty
[22:50] <adam_g> where do i debug this? local provider /w kvm
[23:07] <bolthole> my connection with juju debug-log keeps breaking if I leave it up. with errors like
[23:07] <bolthole> ERROR: juu.apiserver debuglog.go:102 .... write tcp ... connection timed out
[23:08] <bolthole> last time I did a restart of the whole local juju service (juju-agent-$USER-local.service). Is there a shorter way to recover the log capabilities?
[23:19] <bolthole> okay... anyone awake still? :)   I just did another round of tests for my subordinate class andf
[23:20] <bolthole> primary class... and it would seem that the primary "relation-joined" hook comes after even the SUBORDINATE relation-joined.
[23:20] <bolthole> Bug, or feature?
[23:43] <blahdeblah> bolthole: I'm not an expert in this, but I'm pretty sure there is no guarantee on which order hooks will execute in, especially across units.
[23:46] <bolthole> generally spekaing i can understand that. but inthe specific case of a subordinate container, I wuld think having deterministic behaviour is pretty crucial


[00:06] <SirTopHat_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1374162 the last post on this thread looks the same as what I was getting
[00:07] <SirTopHat_> nobody's responded though
[00:11] <SirTopHat_> I have no xorg.conf
[00:11] <SirTopHat_> =_=
[00:11] <charlie-tca> You can create one and the system will use it
[00:12] <SirTopHat_> no ideas on my driver issue?
[00:12] <charlie-tca> nope
[00:12] <charlie-tca> Looks like you are trying to install from an outside source instead of using System -> Hardware Drivers ?
[00:13] <charlie-tca> You have an intel video card. They usually have the driver built into the kernel, I think.
[00:14] <SirTopHat_> I would use system -> hardware drivers if the X login was usable
[00:16] <Sysi> 8xx intel card?
[00:18] <SirTopHat_> update manager might have fixed it, hm
[00:20] <SirTopHat_> there's no "VGA" in lspci anymore
[01:00] <f1assistance> how can I see shared windoz files?
[01:01] <SirTopHat_> do a barrel roll
[01:01] <th0r> f1assistance: you might look into fusesmb
[05:05] <emma> how come i had youtube with xubuntu 9.10 and then I did the upgrade to 10.4 and now it says you need flash
[05:06] <emma> does anyone know how to fix that?
[05:11] <emma> I just got it to work: My fix --->  sudo aptitude remove flashplugin-installer flashplugin-nonfree
[05:11] <emma> and then I sudo aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
[06:02] <askhader> lspci is not detecting my wifi card in xubuntu. WHy is this?
[06:04] <bazhang> what about lsusb
[06:04] <bazhang> pastebin the output of both please
[06:05] <askhader> its not a usb card but okay
[06:05] <bazhang> well then just the lspci output
[06:06] <askhader> http://pastebin.com/YqsGDSSG
[06:07] <bazhang> odd. what about lsusb then
[06:07] <askhader> The only noteworthy thing is Bus 004 Device 002: ID 08ff:2580 AuthenTec, Inc. AES2501 Fingerprint Sensor
[06:07] <bazhang> askhader, is this a dual boot
[06:07] <askhader> No
[07:26] <heoa> I can get fswebcam working out of the box with ubuntu but with xubuntu err: "Unable to find a compatible palette format."
[07:29] <heoa> ideoa which pkg may be missing?
[09:23] <VladBer> hello, ppl
[09:48] <CppIsWeird> i got a laptop that i configured to use a wpa2 wireless connection. naturally it didnt work very well so i set up another router that has WEP, to which the computer simply refuses to connect.  All I can suggest is compat-wireless/wireless-testing basing on just generic `intel'
[10:10] <CppIsWeird> it is an Atheros AR5001
[10:32] <hatake_kakashi> 10.4?
[10:32] <hatake_kakashi> err 10.04
[11:33] <aa__> hello everyone
[12:06] <heoa> is there a light-weight image viewer?
[12:08] <heoa> currently using just ff to view photos but my pentium2 chokes with it
[15:50] <grepper> heoa: the 'display' command from imagemagick is pretty light.  Also 'ristretto'
[16:20] <mohit_> hi
[16:21] <mohit_> tell me how to setup broadband connection in ubuntu 9.10
[16:22] <mohit_> reply plz
[16:22] <heoa> grepper: thank you, goldmine. Wish imagemagick had shortcuts
[16:22] <charlie-tca> mohit_: should be automatically set up for you
[16:22] <mohit_> hitis not
[16:23] <charlie-tca> !internet
[16:23] <mohit_> tell me how to setup broadband connection in ubuntu 9.10
[16:23] <charlie-tca> !network
[16:23] <charlie-tca> mohit_: repeating is not going to get an answer faster
[16:23] <mohit_> ok
[16:24] <brot> mohit_: also, you may want to use 10.04
[16:24] <mohit_> no
[16:24] <charlie-tca> or ask in #ubuntu for ubuntu
[16:24] <mohit_> it ask for proxy authentication
[16:24] <mohit_> proxy word is blockes
[16:24] <charlie-tca> !proxy
[16:24] <mohit_> h
[16:24] <mohit_> hm
[16:24] <charlie-tca> Don't know proxy setup
[16:25] <mohit_> means
[16:25] <mohit_> ok,,,leave it
[16:25] <charlie-tca> Means I can not help you with proxy
[16:26] <mohit_> tell me how to add refresh tab with right click'
[16:27] <mohit_> plz
[16:27] <charlie-tca> in network manager? I think you left-click the icon and then click on connect
[16:28] <mohit_> where is network manager
[16:28] <charlie-tca> should be in the upper right of the top panel
[16:28] <charlie-tca> two computers icon
[16:28] <mohit_> left/right side
 should be in the upper right of the top panel
[16:43] <mohit_> where is network manager
[16:43] <charlie-tca> You asked that already
 should be in the upper right of the top panel
[16:44] <charlie-tca> Is it in the right side of the top panel?
[16:44] <charlie-tca> What do you have in the top panel?
[16:57] <mohit_> tell how to install network manager
[16:58] <mohit_> how to setup broadband connection in network manager\
[16:58] <charlie-tca> !patience
[16:59] <charlie-tca> !networking
[16:59] <charlie-tca> !info networkmanager
[17:00] <charlie-tca> !info network-manager
[17:00] <mohit_> what is means of !NETWORKING
[17:00] <charlie-tca> means trying to help you
[17:02] <mohit_> how to setup broadband conn. in network manager
[17:02] <charlie-tca> Please stop asking now
[17:02] <mohit_> why?
[17:03] <charlie-tca> because I asked you to. I have explained you do not need to ask many times. You have been advised that if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer.
[17:04] <mohit_> i can asanybidk if
[17:04] <th0r> mohit_: there are a number of good guides for that on the internet, have you tried any of them?
[17:04] <mohit_> no
[17:04] <mohit_> give me the links
[17:04] <th0r> mohit_: then you might start here....http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=configure+a+broadband+connection+in+ubuntu&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=C38jfVElUTOeKAovwygStuq25CgAAAKoEBU_QHnUg&fp=fb0bee69b5aae820
[17:05] <charlie-tca> http://www.google.com is an excellent place to start
[17:05] <th0r> charlie-tca: I think we can offer a bit more than that to a newbie
[17:08] <charlie-tca> th0r: I think that would apply to a newbie that actually is trying to get some help. This user won't answer questions asked of him, but will repeat the same demand every few minutes.
[17:31] <askhader> Hello I am using a wifi USB adapater with ndiswrapper. ndiswrapper -l reports that the device is present (with prper mac address) and the driver is loaded but I still have no wireless device extensions. Why is this?
[17:39] <mohit_> how to add refresh button in right click menu in desktop\
[17:40] <Isakill> hai all
[17:41] <charlie-tca> !hi | Isakill
[17:41] <mohit_> how to add refresh button in right click menu in desktop\
[17:41] <charlie-tca>  Chanserv 'op #Xubuntu' /remove #xubuntu mohit_
[17:42] <mohit_> why remove
[17:42] <Isakill> got a question.  I have an old HP pavillion slimline.  for some reason I don't have sound.. I have it in ubuntu, but xubuntu doesn't like it.  any suggestions?
[17:42] <charlie-tca> mohit_: you are not following the rules. If you continue to ask every minute or two, you will be removed
[17:42] <mohit_> does aby reply
[17:42] <mohit_> charlie-tca: will you ?
[17:42] <charlie-tca> I will
[17:43] <mohit_> how to add refresh button in right click menu in desktop\
[17:43] <Isakill> lol
[17:43]  * Isakill waits patiently
[17:43] <mohit_> i m back
[17:43] <Isakill> XD
[17:43] <Isakill> not for long
[17:44] <charlie-tca> How can we help you, Isakill
[17:44] <mohit_> hi charlie-tca
[17:44] <Isakill> well, just trying to figure out why xubuntu doesn't have sound when ubuntu does
[17:45] <charlie-tca> mohit_: That is a warning. It will become a ban if you do not follow the rules
[17:45] <mohit_> OK I M SORRY
[17:45] <Isakill> HP pavilion slimline
[17:45] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[17:45] <charlie-tca> Isakill: have you turned on the volume controls in the mixer?
[17:45]  * Isakill is building a carPC and sound is essiential
[17:45] <Isakill> yes
[17:45] <mohit_> tell me how to add refresh button in right click as we refresh in windows
[17:46] <Isakill> on all the selections in the dropdown
[17:46] <charlie-tca> mohit_: if anyone knows, they will answer. If no one knows, they will not answer.
[17:46] <mohit_> u dont know
[17:46] <Isakill> doesn't F5 work too?
[17:46] <charlie-tca> You have asked that enough times now. Please be patient and wait for an answer
[17:47] <mohit_> i want to add like window
[17:47] <Isakill> mohit_, patience is a virtue
[17:47] <mohit_> ok
[17:48] <Isakill> WHAT THE EFF?
[17:48] <Isakill> charlie-tca,
[17:48] <charlie-tca> yes?
[17:48] <Isakill> it didn't show it at first
[17:48] <Isakill> but it was muted
[17:48] <charlie-tca> heh
[17:49] <charlie-tca> And that fixes it?
[17:49] <Isakill> I apologize for wasting your time sir and I thank you
[17:49] <Isakill> yeah it's fixed
[17:49] <charlie-tca> No problem.
[17:49] <mohit_> whats for me now
[17:49] <Isakill> use F5 mohit_
[17:49] <Isakill> i'm sure it should work in the same way
[17:49] <mohit_> i want to add in right click as in window
[17:50] <Isakill> can't help ya there sorry, good luck guys and once again thank you
[17:51] <mohit_> will anyone help
[17:53] <twig> does ne body know a link for enabling the pci slot for dual head?  all my searches are coming back for tweaking twinview and twnerama (?) once you have both monitors up.  I know they will both work, ive tested by selecting primary graphics card in bios
[17:54] <twig> im not even looking for high end graphics, i just want to be able to put a old crt on a desktop where i can leave xchat and a term window open
[17:56] <charlie-tca> I think you can modify /etc/X11/xorg.conf for it. but it still uses twinview, it seems
[17:58] <twig> xorg.conf will enable the card?  i thought i was looking for somethin at a little deeper level so that the kernel would load the second graphics card
[17:59] <charlie-tca> If it is turned on in bios, it should work
[17:59] <twig> im real new to linux so you'll have to excuse me if i have some odd misconceptions
[17:59] <charlie-tca> no problem
[17:59] <twig> bios is only letting me switch the primary card
[17:59] <twig> so is this a bios doesnt support issue?
[17:59] <charlie-tca> then xorg.conf should turn the sencond one on
[17:59] <twig> oh ok
[18:00] <twig> ill try that then
[18:00] <charlie-tca> also might look into randr
[18:00] <twig> ive been to 3 diff forums and all the threads i could find were about "i cant drag my apps"
[18:01] <charlie-tca> well, randr was wrong.
[18:01] <twig> okay i was looking at randr but it was late so.....
[18:01] <charlie-tca> !twinview
[18:02] <twig> id have to lookup the onboard card and the second is a old matrox millenium2 i scavenged
[18:03] <charlie-tca> Okay, this is a good starting point. If you get both cards to work, you can then add the xorg.conf files to show different images on each monitor
[18:03] <charlie-tca> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo
[18:03] <charlie-tca> and they include the matrox card reference
[18:05] <twig> okay i was thinking that i was looking for a util to make the card work and then the xinerama to config so i didnt look into it as much as i guess i should have
[18:05] <charlie-tca> Heh, that's why we try to help when we can.
[18:05] <Aquina> How come repquota -au reports root  used 191836 (aprox 185 MiB) while /home/ has only 5 files owned by root which consume only a few KiB?
[18:05] <twig> thanks
[18:06] <charlie-tca> Aquina: could it be because root owns everything except /home ?
[18:07] <charlie-tca> I don't really know, it is just a guess. Your are way over my head, I think.
[18:07] <charlie-tca> s/your/you
[18:14] <Aquina> sudo repquota -au
[18:14] <Aquina> *** Report for user quotas on device /dev/sda6
[18:14] <Aquina> Block grace time: 7days; Inode grace time: 7days
[18:14] <Aquina> So I explicitly checked sda6 and there only /home/ exists.
[18:15] <Aquina> Root indeed owns stuff below /home/ but that is not teken into accout by quota.
[18:16] <Aquina> I also did a quotacheck which told m everything is ok.
[18:16] <twig> one more Q....   i have a hard drive that i had to testdisk from a liveCD, when i got the box back up the drive was owned by 999 (i assume the testdisk ID) i reset it to my username, every now and then it tells me it cant access, this is beacuse i should have set ownership to root correct?
[18:17] <charlie-tca> probably
[18:17] <twig> im only 2 weeks clean of MS.... its a process
[18:17] <charlie-tca> that is true
[18:18] <charlie-tca> But you are doing it! It gets easier with experience
[18:18] <twig> yeah
[18:18] <twig> i knew enough to not completly shoot myself in the foot
[18:27] <Aquina> Charlie do you think I shoudl ask the Author of the Kernel-Quota implementation or someone in the Ubuntu team whether this is an error? Whom could I ask?
[18:27] <charlie-tca> let me see
[18:28] <Aquina> :)
[18:34] <charlie-tca> Maybe ask in #ubuntu-devel? The quota package is in main, so they should know
[18:35] <Aquina> ok, thx
[18:35] <charlie-tca> good luck with that one.
[18:36] <Aquina> I I asked in #xubuntu-devel and will try #ubuntu-devel in case "our guys" cannot help.
[18:36] <Aquina> Thx, charlie!
[18:36] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[18:37] <Aquina> How went your moval? (omg I hope the grammar wa right) I mean you said you have to move to a new location...
[18:37] <charlie-tca> Went pretty smooth, except the internet connection.
[18:38] <charlie-tca> Seems I dropped from 7mb/s to 1
[18:38] <Aquina> Argh! Internet... I will move on monday and 1&1 (big German ISP) told me it's going to take 3 weeks. :-((
[18:38] <charlie-tca> and, it is no longer reliable. But overall, it was not too hard on me.
[18:39] <charlie-tca> Ouch!
[18:39] <charlie-tca> Only took me two weeks to get it mostly working
[18:39] <Aquina> I will have 50Mbit/s downstream but upsteam is more limited... I'll see.
[18:40] <charlie-tca> downstream that fast counts... Takes me about 1 hour per image now, compared to 17 minutes before
[18:40] <Aquina> Some here in Frankfurt have 128 Mbit/s downstream and 10Mbit/s upstream because Frankfurt is Europes main peering point (450 ISPs and carriers).
[18:40] <Aquina> That's bad. I however would rather give away some mibs down to receive some for upstream.
[18:41] <charlie-tca> true. too slow upstream is also bad.
[18:41] <Aquina> Do you like your new location?
[18:42] <charlie-tca> yes. The air is cleaner since it is a much smaller city. It is about 10 degrees cooler, which is good for me.
[18:45] <Aquina> Sounds good! I'm gonna move to Frankfurt which is a bit bigger... Hope it won't mke me sick but I'm excited though.
[18:46] <charlie-tca> It is good to be excited. any place you go can be really good, but you might have to work at it to make it good
[18:47] <zaib> hi i m zaib i m new to xubuntu can u plz tell me how the activate sound in xubuntu
[18:48] <zaib> anyone plz help
[18:48] <charlie-tca> double-click the mixer in the top panel and unmute it?
[18:50] <zaib> unmute ?
[18:50] <charlie-tca> Is there a red X in there on "mute" ?
[18:50] <zaib> what should i chose in sound card dropbox
[18:51] <charlie-tca> the first one
[18:51] <zaib> there nothing ''mutu'' there
[18:51] <charlie-tca> are there any volume controls in there?
[18:51] <zaib> sory mute
[18:52] <zaib> ya master
[18:52] <charlie-tca> and it is not all the way to the bottom, right?
[18:52] <zaib> yes
[18:52] <zaib> its full
[18:53] <charlie-tca> Help! I seem to be doing real bad today on sound issues
[18:53] <charlie-tca> I am sorry. I don't seem to be very helpful now
[18:53] <zaib> what should i do
[18:53] <Aquina> *lol*
[18:54] <charlie-tca> Let's see if someone else can help you.
[18:54] <Aquina> Aehm... try alsamixer (sudo apt-get install alsamixer) I gues and check in there if everything is avtivated and play with the options.
[18:55] <zaib> (sudo apt-get install alsamixer) where i have to write this
[18:56] <Aquina> Furthir double check your hardware (plug, connectors, cable, card, etc.) and verify with lspci the hardware si correctly detected. I'd also reccomend you to check logs in /var/log/ especially messages, kernel, user.log and thelike.
[18:56] <Aquina> zaib I open a terminal.
[18:56] <Aquina> Applications-->Utls-->Terminal (I think)
[18:56] <zaib> is terminal Alt f2
[18:57] <zaib> Alt+F2
[18:57] <zaib> there is run in terminal  chekbox
[18:58] <charlie-tca> That should work, too. You can open one using Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal that stays around to use more than one command
[18:59] <zaib> in terminal i should write sudo apt-get install alsamixer ?
[19:01] <zaib> plz can anyone help here
[19:02] <twig_> okay this page is talking about i810switch for switching between laptops lcd and external vga adapt,  this is a tower with an lcd plugged to the onboard and an old crt to the pci slot, would this then work the same or are the laptops fundamentally different
[19:03] <charlie-tca> You have intel video?
[19:03] <zaib> intel video ?
[19:03] <zaib> ?
[19:03] <charlie-tca> i810 is intel
[19:03] <charlie-tca> zaib: sorry, that was for twig_
[19:04] <charlie-tca> twig_: I think some of the laptops have a physical switch to do that, but I could be wrong
[19:04] <twig_> this is just what the matrox link from the xinerama page is talking about
[19:04] <twig_> im gonna go look up the man page for that switch and see what that says
[19:05] <charlie-tca> yeah, good idea. Sometimes there is no difference for laptops and desktops, sometimes there is.
[19:05] <zaib> can some one help me  ! help me
[19:05] <charlie-tca> !patience | zaib
[19:06] <charlie-tca> Aquina is trying to help, but he is also doing stuff he needs to do.
[19:06] <zaib> ok
[19:06] <zaib> thanks
[19:06] <charlie-tca> We are all volunteers here, and some people are trying to help and work at the same time.
[19:08] <twig_> i810 appears to be laptop or 1card2output
[19:08] <twig_> is the entry in xorg.conf enough to make the system start the pci slot up?
[19:09] <twig_> because if it is the code from this page should be enough to get an entry, id just have to find the identifier and the bus id
[19:13] <charlie-tca> twig_: should be, yes
[19:14] <twig_> damn win mindset
[19:14] <Aquina> zaib, as I already mentioned open a Terminal and then enter (without quotes) "sudo apt-get install alsa-utils".
[19:15] <Aquina> Then run the program in the same terminal by entering (without quotes) "alsamixer"
[19:16] <zaib> thanks ubottu ,aquina and charlie tca,         problem solved :)
[19:16] <zaib> thanks
[19:16] <Aquina> In case you don't know what I'm talking about I strongly recommend you to read the Xubuntu user manual shipped with the distro.
[19:16] <Aquina> np :-)
[19:16] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[19:16] <twig_> grrrrr,   i switched desktops from gnome to xfce cause it said xfce had xinerama support loaded already...  didnt realize my keyboard shortcuts wernt gonna translate
[19:16] <charlie-tca> uh-oh
[19:17] <twig_> no big i had only setup a couple of things
[19:17] <twig_> jes irritating try to open a term over and over with a shortcut that doesnt work
[19:17] <charlie-tca> heh
[19:17] <charlie-tca> yup
[19:47] <Aquina> omfg
[19:49]  * charlie-tca nods
[20:16] <Aquina> good night
[21:41] <slow-motion> hi
[22:57] <Pudabudigada> Hello, how can I get a list of mounted drives and mount points?
[22:59] <Sysi> all drivers are installed and loaded by default, do you want to know what driver is needed to some app or what?
[22:59] <Sysi> app/hardware device
[23:01] <Pudabudigada> Not driver, drive, as in hard disk or CD drive
[23:02] <Sysi> ugh, sorry it's late here
[23:03] <Sysi> type mount in terminal
[23:03] <Pudabudigada> I do that but I don't get them all.
[23:03] <Sysi> that shouldn't be possible
[23:04] <Pudabudigada> I had a hard drive connected by USB that didn't show there or with 'lsusb'
[23:05] <Sysi> does it work (elswhere)?
[23:05] <Pudabudigada> elsewhere?
[23:06] <Sysi> anywhere, other machine or OS (or now xubuntu)
[23:06] <Pudabudigada> Ah! I've just realised it was NTFS, does 10.04 support that?
[23:06] <Sysi> at least reading
[23:07] <Pudabudigada> The gui said it was blank but i'll have to check elsewhere for that particular drive
[23:07] <Sysi> and it shouldn't matter in lsusb if it's known format
[23:08] <Sysi> pressing ctrl+l shows where you are in file manager
[23:11] <Pudabudigada> Unfortunately I can't try it on another system as another HD is taking up the ATA-USB device and I can't physically unplug it :-(
[23:41] <twig_> im working on a dualhead setup and finally found the right log file,  xorg sees my second graphics card but has ????  by the bios, is this telling me bios hasnt assigned an address and i need to work this issue from there or is it just that what because its not enabled?
[23:41] <twig_> --) PCI: (0:0:8:0) 102b:051b:102b:2007 Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA 2164W [Millennium II] rev 0, Mem @ 0xde000000/16777216, 0xdf000000/16384, 0xe0000000/8388608, BIOS @ 0x????????/65536
[23:45] <twig_> erp n/m  i just found it