[00:00] <phillw> rathin2j: I'm looking for a ubuntu doc on the installation, brb
[00:00] <rathin2j> Oh!! thanks4 the info
[00:01] <rathin2j> ya u can use HANDBOOK for that
[00:03] <phillw> all i see, is that you *must* use win7 to shrink the area, or else it all goes horribly wrong, I don't have win7 so can only inform you that I have not seen a set of instructions to use gparted, and many to say not to use it.
[00:03] <phillw> I have vista, which was the 1st one to change from using gparted.
[00:04] <rathin2j> ya i wont
[00:04] <rathin2j> but i generally use acronics
[00:04] <rathin2j> disk director suit
[00:04] <phillw> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot!
[00:04] <rathin2j> it's marvelous
[00:05] <rathin2j> software
[00:06] <phillw> if i have access, i will use the win stuff to do win stuff, it stops the system screaming, spitting out the dummy etc.
[00:07] <phillw> if i need to get deep and nasty, I'll just get the surgeons knife out, cut out the the bits I need and let the rest go to the wonderful place of heaven called 'un-allocated' :-D
[00:08] <rathin2j> ha..ha..ha..:P
[00:12] <phillw> rathin2j: I do use general anaesthetic, the win system is not actually booted up. I may not like Win, that does not mean I am a cruel person ;-)  Heck, I still like XP and support it, it was the best OS they brought out since win98, which is still going well. I've just not really got the inclination to try Win7 with having 10.04 flavours to play with. So many variants, so much choice, so little money to pay :-D
[00:15] <phillw> rathin2j: I'm not sure if I am allowed to post this one, but it is just a real quick guide to the *buntu family, I hope it is of use while you make your mind up --> http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=52
[00:15] <rathin2j> phillw: ya,u r right,and thats why i m currently running hacked win 7 ;)
[00:16] <phillw> rathin2j: I do not like hacked s/ware. 1) it is illegal  2) there is better stuff there for free
[00:17] <rathin2j> ya  i know it's illegal but i couldnt resist
[00:17] <rathin2j> and on the same time FUNDING was a prbm :'(
[00:18] <phillw> so, your win7 will be full of trojans... yipee, i hope you and your computer helping the bot-net system helps you sleep easy at night, while I receive spam >:o
[00:19] <rathin2j> no,
[00:19] <rathin2j> i can guaranty that it's without trojans
[00:20] <phillw> ubuntu is free, as in completely free. you can do skool work in the required formats, you can draw, design, etc. all for free - why be a criminal ? I just don't get it ?
[00:20] <rathin2j> and r u working with security or something? ;)
[00:20] <phillw> rathin2j: as you have not examined every line of  code, that is something you cannot do
[00:21] <rathin2j> ya i m a intermediate user,no doubt
[00:22] <rathin2j> hey dont think that i m supporting WIN or hacking \,i m just discussing
[00:22] <rathin2j> HEALTHLY :)
[00:26] <rathin2j> phillw: hey,every thing OK?
[00:26] <phillw> no rathin2j, i have about a zero tolerance of such things, so "every thing OK?" = NO
[00:27] <rathin2j> phillw:i m really sorry :'(
[00:28] <phillw> before i receive an infraction, i will leave and get on with some other stuff.
[00:28] <rathin2j> i didnt wanted2 hurt u
[00:28] <phillw> http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=57
[00:28] <rathin2j> hey,hey no man i m currently on UBUNTU
[00:29] <rathin2j> phillw: OH!! i c !! u r a ADMIN
[00:30] <rathin2j> !!
[00:30] <phillw> on my site yes, on here, no I am just a member who has signed the CoC
[00:32] <phillw> that is my baby forum
[00:34] <rathin2j> phillw:sorry SIR,bt hough i hv to keep WIN bcoz it's a FAMILY PC thats why i keep other wise i m the last person to keep windows=-O
[00:35] <rathin2j> phillw: other wise i m  i m a full HEARTED open source supporter
[00:35] <rathin2j> :'(
[00:35] <Raidsong> how many here use a PC?
[00:36] <pedro3005> +1
[00:36] <phillw> rathin2j: there is no need to keep win on a family PC, the ubuntu family can do all of that, skool work etc for free, there is no need to have pirated software. That is a common mis-conception.
[00:36] <pedro3005> misconception*
[00:37] <Raidsong> phillw, older folks are unable to make the change from windows to linux
[00:37] <Raidsong> *as a general rule
[00:37] <pedro3005> phillw, some times there is a real need for windows and proprietary software
[00:37] <rathin2j> but my mom dad r stuborn MS OFFICE users :( thats why
[00:38] <Raidsong> rathin2j, and that will never change so dont try and force it
[00:38] <pedro3005> it is a fact that not all proprietary software is replaceable with open source. sometimes the quality is beyond inferior and other times it is simply non-existent, or much too complicated, unreliable
[00:38] <rathin2j> raidsong: no man,i m a full hearted linux user
[00:38] <phillw> Raidsong: I dunno, my mum is 75 and loves it ... no waiting 5 minutes while it boots the anti-virus / malware and does scans "When you get to this age, 5 minutes is quite important" :-)
[00:38] <Raidsong> rathin2j, but your parents are not linux users
[00:39] <rathin2j> NO
[00:39] <rathin2j> thats the prbm :(
[00:39] <Raidsong> phillw, thats why i say *as a general rule
[00:39] <rathin2j> means
[00:39] <rathin2j> they say "v use windows at work,so will prefere windows"
[00:39] <rathin2j> c??
[00:39] <rathin2j> thats the case
[00:39] <Raidsong> rathin2j, there is a good chance it wont change you can try putting OO on the windows machine
[00:40] <rathin2j> otherwise i would b last person to keep windows on my PC
[00:40] <phillw> as a general rule, all they want is browser and for the youngsters some way of doing their homework in a word processor etc.
[00:40] <Raidsong> that is compatible with windows office
[00:41] <rathin2j> it can also b done with OPENOFFICE
[00:41] <Raidsong> thats OO like i said
[00:41] <rathin2j> OH!! i c??! i didnt got that
[00:41] <phillw> for documents, you do not need all of OO, lubuntu uses AbiWord which can 'talk' MS language, there are so many choices
[00:42] <Raidsong> i prefer OO since it does much more then abiword
[00:42] <pedro3005> these can "kind of" talk MS language
[00:42] <pedro3005> it is not perfect, of course
[00:42] <pedro3005> I've been idealist as you guys, but I've gotten more realistic
[00:42] <Raidsong> pedro3005, same here
[00:43] <Raidsong> and phillw i suggested OO because it has both windows and linux installs
[00:43] <pedro3005> Raidsong, open source is really good, but it isn't perfect yet. it is not always the answer, and it doesn't work for everyone. it is not indubitably superior to other choices
[00:44] <rathin2j> raidsong:u r RIGHT
[00:44] <Raidsong> pedro3005, i agree but it he wants any shot at all of transitioning his parents to linux through OO is the best way
[00:45] <pedro3005> Raidsong, I think he shouldn't even attemp
[00:45] <Raidsong> if i had the option i would use Microsoft Word 2007 home and student like i used to
[00:45] <pedro3005> attempt to do so*
[00:45] <Raidsong> its such a nice word processor
[00:45] <Raidsong> pedro3005, mine is not a place to question his action but to assist him in the attempt he feels is best
[00:45] <phillw> Raidsong: OOo is best for for both systems,
[00:46] <rathin2j> ok guys bye,it's SLEEPING TIME....GOOD NIGHT :-*
[00:46] <pedro3005> I use Open Office and it works, but I've used MS Word and it also works... my use is not extensive enough to note a substantial difference
[00:46] <Raidsong> night Raidsong
[00:46] <Raidsong> err rathin2j
[00:46] <phillw> Raidsong: MSWord2007 gets a platinum rating for WINE, btw
[00:46] <rathin2j> ;-)
[00:46] <Raidsong> phillw, wine is not the answer for everything
[00:46] <rathin2j> bye bye...
[00:47] <phillw> cyas rathin2j
[00:47] <rathin2j> thanks....
[00:48] <phillw> (00:45:03) Raidsong: if i had the option i would use Microsoft Word 2007 home and student like i used to ???? and I suggest WINE ?? - confused, okay, so it does not take much ;-)
[00:49] <Raidsong> i duel boot a lot of the time
[00:49] <Raidsong> phillw, linux doesnt handle flash the way i would like and i often require windows for that function
[01:46] <phillw> Raidsong: as I am interested in the accessibility, I am afraid on my list of things to learn about web-design, Flash is pretty low down; I have to learn all about ensuring rule508 compliance before I get that far, although I do believe it is possible (Else why would they be putting a 'machine' up on you tube to stop a class action ;-)  )
[01:47] <phillw> Raidsong: I'm just moving some stuff around, I am lurking :-0
[01:49] <Raidsong> phillw, not all flash works on linux many multi player flash games dont work
[01:49] <Raidsong> phillw, actually i cant think of any that work with linux
[02:10] <phillw> Raidsong: well, i find club penguin works very well, but they only have about 500 servers and 200,000 members .. I guess it breaks when you have more
[02:13] <Raidsong> phillw, club penguin looks like a neopets type game
[02:14] <Raidsong> this computer is incredably old so i dare not try to play it
[11:45] <man0riaX> Heya
[12:24] <zeroseven0183> What's up, man0riaX?
[12:25] <man0riaX> zeroseven0183: I'm trying to prune my Bonsai :D
[12:26] <zeroseven0183> Wow! That's good. You like plants?
[12:26] <man0riaX> I like them, yes. I'm trying not to kill them, though. :D
[12:27] <man0riaX> Afk lunch
[19:14]  * levone_Ubuntu is away: I'm busy
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[21:37] <AJH101> Hello I am planning to back up my home folder before a fresh install of lucid but have a qn about how to do this please
[21:39] <Akos> hi AJH101
[21:40] <Akos> AJH101: you just need to copy the folder to a safe location, especially the folders beginning with ., usually these hold the settings for various applications, and of course the other folders, which hold your personal folders (:
[21:40] <AJH101> Akos: do i install lucid and then just copy and paste the home directory?
[21:41] <Akos> AJH101: yes, that should be fine, of course some settings might not apply because of new features
[21:41] <AJH101> Akos: or should I imstall all software first?
[21:41] <Akos> AJH101: well in the home folder only the settings are stored, not the software, so yes, you should install the software then copy their settings over
[21:42] <AJH101> ok thanks
[22:23] <Guegs> Well, I just installed Ubuntu using the .exe. I will be back in a few seconds with any problems I have. :)
[22:37] <jfoozie420> hello
[22:37] <pedro3005> hello
[22:38] <jfoozie420> ey how do i bookmark this chatroom??
[22:38] <pedro3005> what client are you using?
[22:38] <jfoozie420> smuxi
[22:38] <jfoozie420> is there one that you would recommend?
[22:38] <pedro3005> I use xchat and like it
[22:39] <jfoozie420> for sure ill check it out
[22:44] <jfoozie420> go it, its looking like an actual aim lol
[22:44] <jfoozie420> ey one thing tell me how to start with basic installations from certain directories
[22:45] <jfoozie420> i know they have those different file extensions, but im having problems when i download i open it up usually and think its like windows
[22:45] <jfoozie420> my mind set is completely wrong
[22:46] <pedro3005> jfoozie420, what do you want to install?
[22:47] <phillw> pidgin is okay for basic IRC, AIM, Yahoo!, MSN etc.
[22:48] <jfoozie420> like any basic file, i know they have a load of file extensions
[22:48] <jfoozie420> lets start with .tar.gz
[22:49] <jfoozie420> how do i simply just do a quick extract then an install in the terminal?
[22:49] <phillw> jfoozie420: what version of ubuntu are you using ?
[22:49] <pedro3005> jfoozie420, most programs you need will be available through Applications > Software Center, have you seen that?
[22:50] <jfoozie420> 9.10
[22:50] <jfoozie420> yeah i usually just do the quick sudo install, but when i download packages that arent on synaptic i have a pain of a trouble
[22:50] <phillw> +1 to pedro3005, you do not need to bother with tar.gz etc, just go there and tell it to install it for you.
[22:51] <jfoozie420> how do i just tell it to install it for you? permissions then allow as executable?
[22:51] <pedro3005> jfoozie420, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingEasyHowTo
[22:52] <phillw> jfoozie420: nope, just click install, it will ask for your password & get on with it.
[22:52] <pedro3005> only do that when absolutely necessary
[22:52] <pedro3005> jfoozie420, what phillw said is on the Software Center.. but if you need to compile something that isn't there, you'd follow that link
[22:53] <jfoozie420> thank you kind sirs, i know its simply a blunt question im just trying to keep my basic knowledge to just a little level higher than what it is
[22:53] <jfoozie420> so if i might have a dumb question, just slap me with your digital pimp hand
[22:53] <pedro3005> we're here for dumb questions :D
[22:54] <phillw> jfoozie420: there are no dumb questions, just people too dumb to ask
[22:54] <jfoozie420> ill do it that way then
[22:54] <jfoozie420> its actually people too stubborn to ask these questions, i started ubuntu a couple years ago with no knowledge of things whatsoever and gave up on it
[22:55] <jfoozie420> but i came back, and you guys have been hell of a help
[22:55] <jfoozie420> thank you guys for sharing the knowledge lol
[22:56] <phillw> jfoozie420: have a look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHBDd0GGWEY
[22:57] <jfoozie420> kk ill be on that
[22:58] <phillw> if a picture paints a thousand words, a short video clip paints millions :-)
[22:58] <jfoozie420> guess like i have to have a need for software sources
[22:58] <jfoozie420> thanks for that heads up phill
[22:59] <phillw> yw, that's what the people on here are for :-)  Hope it explains things for you.
[23:00] <jfoozie420> alright give me a little basic terminal excercise, how do i move a certain file from a directory. Like new file.txt from desktop to home documents
[23:02] <phillw> jfoozie420: there is a free e-book on stuff like that, give me a mo to get the link up.
[23:03] <jfoozie420> fosho
[23:04] <phillw> jfoozie420: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1052065
[23:06] <phillw> jfoozie420: a good place to book mark is http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=326 that is the forum equivalent to this IRC channel
[23:06] <jfoozie420> thanks brotha im on it as we speak
[23:10] <jfoozie420> its funny how theres so many different ubuntu derivatives
[23:17] <robbmunson> jfoozie420, and equally as funny as there are more Debian derivatives....
[23:19] <phillw> robbmunson: at my last count there were these http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=52  But that's only at my last count :-D
[23:19] <pedro3005> phillw, official, yes
[23:19] <pedro3005> unofficial, thousands more
[23:20] <robbmunson> pedro3005, debian is the most "hacked at" distro ever....
[23:20] <pedro3005> robbmunson, ubuntu is technically a derivative of debian
[23:21] <robbmunson> pedro3005, im completely aware ;)
[23:21] <pedro3005> robbmunson, figured you would be
[23:22] <robbmunson> im thinking about going back to a debian install...but that was no fun, I hated it being so darn stable, I purposely poked holes.....
[23:22] <phillw> pedro3005: I have enough problems keeping up with *buntu, have a look at http://distrowatch.com/  for many more :-D
[23:23] <jfoozie420> robbmunson: yeah i realize that lol
[23:23] <phillw> robbmunson: , join the *buntu dev systems, we have gr8 fun :-)
[23:23] <robbmunson> phillw, im a tester =)
[23:24] <phillw> robbmunson: which *buntu ones are you playing with ?
[23:24] <robbmunson> well, im not on *buntu right now...but I did massive work to Hardy...
[23:25] <pedro3005> phillw, I thought Lubuntu wasn't official
[23:25] <robbmunson> pedro3005, its not
[23:25] <phillw> robbmunson: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=377 is getting a bit boring, as we approach RC but Meerkat will start by the end of April
[23:26] <pedro3005> why, if Lubuntu is, aren't all other unofficial Ubuntu versions on the list?
[23:27] <phillw> pedro3005: oops, I'll update that post, it is noted here http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=65!
[23:28] <phillw> pedro3005: for the reason stated on the wiki page, that being it is aiming for official adoption
[23:29]  * robbmunson tried lxde on another distro...its nice.
[23:49] <phillw> robbmunson: Pm okay ?
[23:50] <robbmunson> sure
[23:57] <jfoozie420> hello peace
[23:57] <peace> hi jfoozie
[23:57] <peace> i just recently install ubuntu on my laptop
[23:57] <jfoozie420> put up any questions here there should be someone that'll give you the info you want
[23:57] <peace> to learn it more and more
[23:58] <peace> thanks
[23:58] <peace> hi frank1
[23:58] <peace> thanks
[23:58] <peace> man
[23:58] <phillw> peace: what would like to learn ?
[23:58] <peace> i'm from irelan
[23:58] <peace> anyway
[23:58] <peace> anybody from ireland dublin
[23:58] <peace> hi phillw
[23:59] <peace> how to install a ubuntu server on ubuntu
[23:59] <phillw> hiyas peace, I'd suggest starting at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1052065
[23:59] <peace> i know a bit about vmware
[23:59] <peace> ok
[23:59] <peace> phill


[10:40] <adrian_1908> Anyone here have the problem that NumLock gets activated each boot? I don't have a BIOS setting for it, and I think it comes on with the login screen. I just can't seem to find the source of it, and attempts to override it fail.
[10:43] <diogenes_> adrian_1908, numklockx.
[10:44] <adrian_1908> diogenes_: works when I run it, but doesn't work in ~/.profile. Or do I need to add a separate startup script?
[10:45] <adrian_1908> Seems nearly all users have the opposite problem, wanting to enable NumLock on boot. Leads me to believe my default "on" state is not normal.
[10:45] <diogenes_> adrian_1908, i didn't get, so you want it to be deactivated at boot?
[10:46] <adrian_1908> right, i want it to be deactivated.
[10:47] <diogenes_> then remove the package or see if you have 'save session' enabled or look in startup programs and in lightdm.conf
[10:49] <diogenes_> or you can add numlockx off
[10:54] <adrian_1908> Did a grep in /var/log and found that lightdm calls → /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/50-xubuntu-numlock.conf → /etc/X11/Xsession.d/55numlockx
[10:55] <adrian_1908> Probably some over-engineered solution that doesn't behave correctly in my case. Will try changing things there.
[10:56] <adrian_1908> brb
[11:06] <adrian_1908> Nope, that wasn't it. Numlock comes on as I log in.
[11:07] <brainwash> Xfce has a setting for numlock
[11:10] <brainwash> https://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-settings/keyboard
[11:10] <adrian_1908> brainwash: Do you mean in the "Keyboard" settings on the control panel? Or is there another one?
[11:11] <brainwash> I fixed a bug related to that setting last year I think
[11:11] <adrian_1908> I only see "Restore num lock state on startup" and that I tried in both states.
[11:11] <brainwash> you still on Xfce 4.12 (xubuntu 18.04)?
[11:12] <adrian_1908> Right
[11:12] <brainwash> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15642
[11:13] <adrian_1908> brainwash: Thanks. So this will have been fixed in later releases, e.g. the upcoming 20.04, right?
[11:14] <brainwash> you check these settings via the Xfce settings editor
[11:14] <brainwash> yes, should be fixed in the new release
[11:15] <adrian_1908> brainwash: I see, just checked xfce4-settings-editor and there it was. I'll reboot and report back.
[11:19] <adrian_1908> Ok, that toggle didn't work. I also realized I had edited this file without the GUI before. But if it's fine in 20.04 then I'll just wait. I'll try a startup script now with (a delayed) `numlockx off` as an ugly workaround.
[11:20] <brainwash> alright
[11:21] <brainwash> there is this also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1768844
[11:28] <adrian_1908> Ok, brb ;)
[11:34] <adrian_1908> Ok, that worked. All set now. Thanks for the help/info.
[11:35] <brainwash> adrian_1908: what worked?
[11:35] <adrian_1908> The last thing I wanted to try, startup script with `numlockx off`.
[11:35] <adrian_1908> The LEDs comes on briefly (as always), then gets switched off.
[11:36] <brainwash> okay :)


[02:17] <futurematic> hey all! Has anyone else had trouble getting the whisker menu to align to themes?
[03:27] <PasserK> hi everybody
[07:53] <Spass> I've just upgraded to zesty from 16.10 and it went smoothly overall, but I have two small issues.
[07:53] <Spass> One with Whisker Menu - it won't remember my setting to show category names.
[07:54] <Spass> Something like this - https://forum.manjaro.org/t/categories-in-whisker-menu-disappear/19535
[07:55] <Spass> They say the solution is to use "xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin-gtk3" but I don't see that package in repos.
[07:59] <Spass> Well, seems like it was fixed in version 2.1.2, there's 2.1.1 in repos :/
[08:01] <Spass> That's really unfortunate.
[09:11] <goobers> good distro, i use it all the time
[09:15] <Spass> Whisker Menu / Version 2.1.2 / Released on April 4th, 2017
[09:16] <Spass> Can't find DEB anywhere, just the source.
[09:17] <Unit193> Spass: Howdy, that doesn't sound fun.
[09:18] <Spass> True.
[09:18] <Unit193> Give me a sec?
[09:18] <Spass> It would be great to push the 2.1.2 upgrade.
[09:19] <Spass> Unit193: Sure.
[09:20] <Spass> Other issue I have is fortunately very, very minor. It's with xfce4-terminal, in case someone is interested I can explain it later.
[09:24] <Unit193> Spass: It's building in https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/xubuntu-staging/+packages, I versioned it such that if it's SRU'd, the SRU should have a higher version number.  That being said, I'd still keep an eye out.
[09:24] <Unit193> Xfce bug 13422
[09:25] <Spass> Funny, I found myself partially guilty for this issues :) That's because I wanted to participate in 17.04 beta-testing, but I didn't manage to "schedule" time for it. I really hope I would be useful when 17.10 will be on it's way.
[09:27] <Unit193> Heh, weeell that'd certainly go a long way to spotting it, but perhaps you can help by spot checking any SRU.
[09:28] <Spass> OK, downloading it now.
[09:29] <Spass> BTW, what SRU means?
[09:29] <Unit193> Stable Release Update.
[09:29] <Unit193> !sru
[09:30] <Spass> Ah, I see.
[09:32]  * Spass is restarting his machine...
[09:33] <Spass> Unit193: It works great now. Fixed.
[09:36] <Spass> So everyone is affected by this issue until SRU rolls out?
[09:39] <Unit193> If they have both options marked, yes.
[09:49] <Spass> Do xfce4-terminal devs hang out here? I don't know if my explanation of a second issue makes sense here.
[09:50] <Unit193> Best bet is always to file bugs, but no he doesn't.
[09:51] <Spass> I suspect this issue is related with porting it to GTK3.
[09:53] <Spass> OK, I will try to find best place to report it, unless somebody already did it.
[09:57] <Spass> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/zesty/+bugs ?
[10:01] <Unit193> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/buglist.cgi?component=General&product=Xfce4-terminal or https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-terminal/+filebug but upstream is best.
[10:03] <Spass> Unit193: Thanks.
[10:06] <Unit193> Sure thing.
[12:50] <Spass> Can someone confirm weird Whisker Menu behaviour on 17.04 when scrolling applications list ('All' for example) - when I click and hold LMB on the scrollbar and move my mouse up and down, the list stop scrolling when the mouse cursor is outside the scrollbar region.
[13:31] <flocculant> Spass: yea can confirm
[14:05] <Spass> flocculant: Thanks, so I think I'll file a new bug then.
[15:11] <Zeioth> I was able to upgrade to 17.04 through the system updater, awesome :D
[22:07] <Halamix2> Hi, should my calculator (3.24.0) have transparent gap near left side?
[22:09] <Halamix2> http://i.imgur.com/KV49fKA.png
[22:09] <Halamix2> heh, opening and closing top-left menu fixes it


[00:01] <crimson_king> I'd appreciate a recommendation for a Sound Converter (GTK) alternative written in Qt or for KDE.
[00:03] <crimson_king> Something to convert mp3 to ogg, but that integrates with Qt/KDE
[00:04] <crimson_king> Oh, found one. soundKonverter.
[02:39] <j74> Hi, how I can upgrade my system please?, not upgrade correctly.
 @j74, sudo apt upgrade … sudo apt dist-upgrade
[02:40] <j74> ah, ok
[02:40] <j74> thanx
 @j74, First: sudo apt update
 @j74, Then the other command
[06:05] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:09] <valorie> hi lordievader
[06:09] <lordievader> Hey valorie
[06:09] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[06:10] <valorie> doing good
[06:11] <valorie> feels great to have the LTS out the door and be planning for 18.10 and forward
[06:11] <lordievader> 👍
[08:18] <mbuettner> gute tag
[08:43] <lordievader> 👋
[09:08] <IrcsomeBot3> Dr4g0nS was added by: Dr4g0nS
[10:56] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:36] <viewer|61449> Hi There, I would like to create a distro based on Ubuntu or debian. Would you recommend me to create distro from Debian or Ubuntu? I am not that in Tech, so I don't know pros and cons. In addition, I am looking for someone who is good in coding and he or she wants to help. Thanks
[12:38] <viewer|61449> also is possible to create a new distrom from ubuntu or debian and get paid for it? I mean, not having open source, but have it as for commercial...
[12:39] <viewer|61449> I do python coding, but I am more interested in design...
 I think for your level of experience, you might find OpenSuSe a good place to start for a customised distro
 any  one to help me remove  this preferencies to desktop
 (Photo, 1280x719) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/ySubv011/file_6822.jpg i need remove this preferencies to desktop
 I prefer to have a small team and base is on Debian or Ubuntu and not jumping from one distro to another distro.
[12:48] <viewer|61449> ... of course I can look at OpenSuSe, but as I said,... if I have a team, then I could focus on design, strategy and so on and other could work as a developer.
[12:49] <viewer|61449> to <Sick_Rimmit> btw. do you know where could I find some developers?
[13:22] <Mrokii> viewer|61449: Why would you want to create a new distro in the first place? This isn't meant as an insult, but if you don't even know the pros and cons of one already existing distro from another, how do you know that you *need* to create a new one?
[13:25] <mparillo_> viewer|61449: And as far as not having open source, the short answer is no you cannot.
[13:26] <mparillo_> When you take from a GPL, you may not distribute without it also being GPL.
[13:26] <mparillo_> If you want to close your source, you will need to start with projects with permissive licenses, like BSD, MIT, Apache, etc.
[13:29] <BluesKaj> ambition without the correct knowledge can lead to extreme frustration
[13:33] <viewer|61449> I do research.
[13:33] <viewer|61449> this is a research first and then I will see.
[13:36] <Mrokii> The first thing I would do is to really make sure that what you want to achieve isn't possible with an already established distro. I am just a regular user, but even creating a distro based on another one would most probably be a lot of work, not even mentioning the infrastructure needed, the organisation of such a project, etc.
[13:41] <Mrokii> If it's some apps that you miss or some functionality, the easier way would be to contribute to a project, or, if your ideas aren't accepted, fork the specific app(s).
[13:42] <Mrokii> Just my two cents, of course.
[13:47] <viewer|61449> thanks Mrokii, I will think about it.
[13:48] <Mrokii> viewer|61449: You're welcome.
[14:09] <djordn> Hi everyone
[14:17] <BluesKaj> hi djordn
[14:18] <android6011> I can't for the life of me find how to add an openvpn connection. All guides so go to connection editor and click "add new connection" but there is no button or menu in the connection editor
[14:20] <Mrokii> android6011: For me, there is a "+"-button below the list of available networks.
[14:20] <Mrokii> Which lets me add new connections, including VPN-ones.
[14:20] <android6011> Mrokii: maybe im in the wrong place, im in the "Connections - System Settings Module" and see my wired connection listed but thers no + anywhere near the list
[14:21] <Mrokii> android6011: That's where I am as well.
[14:21] <android6011> https://imgur.com/a/6Zu5o8r
[14:22] <Mrokii> android6011: A possibly silly question, but have you tried heightening the window?
[14:22] <android6011> ugh nvm :/ window wasnt expanded enough
[14:22] <android6011> ty
[14:22] <Mrokii> Yep, that's what I thought. :)
[14:23] <Mrokii> It's kind of silly, as the elements shouldn't be hidden if the window is too small, imho.
[14:23] <android6011> ya, i'd think that the window would fit to the "needed" size if you have high enough resolution
[14:25] <Mrokii> That would be best, yes.
[14:27] <BluesKaj> android6011, openvpn needs the .ovpn files your vpn provider should have available on it's website unless youit also provides an installable gui, also you need to install network-manager-openvpn, unless the provider's installer automatically installs that as well.
[14:29] <BluesKaj> the .ovpn files should be placed in /etc/openvpn
[14:29] <android6011> BluesKaj: ya, I have ovpn and that installed,
[14:29] <android6011> hitting connect doesnt seem to be doing anything though
[14:30] <android6011> is there a log somewhere?
[14:31] <BluesKaj> an did the vpn provider give you access to authorization in form of username and password ?
[14:31] <android6011> BluesKaj: its for work, has users certs + user/pass
[14:31] <android6011> the connection settings look ok, sees all the *.p12, entered username + pass and then dialog disappears
[14:35] <BluesKaj> then check netstat -tapen to see if your client is connecting, or check your browser for new IP which the vpn server shows, like here https://www.ip-tracker.org
[14:37] <android6011> BluesKaj: doesnt look like it's trying. never seeing vpn ip showing up
[14:40] <BluesKaj> make sure you have netweork-manager-openvpn installed
[14:41] <android6011> i do, not sure if I've logged out/in since I had installed it though. does that matter?
[14:42] <BluesKaj> it might
[14:43] <BluesKaj> correction: network-manager-openvpn
[14:43] <enkeyz> y
[15:06] <android6011> BluesKaj: i got it, thanks for the help. the import references the wrong certs + key files, just had to point it to the right ones
[15:06] <android6011> and it didnt like when i pointed it to combined .p12 for ca + user
[15:10] <BluesKaj> android6011, I'm happy you have it working :-)
[18:05] <marty> Hi. I'm searching for dbg packages so I can send useful bug reports. Where can I find e.g. plasma-discover-dbg ?
[18:06] <denza242> should be in muon
[18:06] <acheronuk> marty: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Debug%20Symbol%20Packages
[18:07] <acheronuk> -dbgsym for most things now
[18:10] <marty> Thanks for the link. It works :-)
[20:39] <zezalos079> hi
[20:40] <zezalos079> im having a small problem with kubuntu anyone can/want to help?
[20:45] <IrcsomeBot3> Alien was added by: Alien
[20:46] <zezalos079> anyone here?
[20:46] <krytarik> Asking the actual question might work out better.
[20:48] <zezalos079> yeah so im trying kubuntu on a usb
[20:48] <zezalos079> but when i press the meta key the launcher wont show up
[20:49] <zezalos079> 10 minutes ago it worked just fine
[23:50] <earas> hey
[23:50] <earas> am i alone?


[01:13] <Noskcaj> Is an anti-bitesize tag? I.E. You can't fix this bug unless you have a complete knowledge of C++, debhelper and symbols files?
[01:13] <Noskcaj> I'm only half joking
[12:26] <wagafo> Somebody knowledgeable in update-manager may be can take a look to comment 3 in bug 294139? It seems to have a clear description of the problem if it still there in the current code.
[12:26] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 294139 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "update-manager fail release upgrade if using apt-cacher " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/294139
[12:30] <penguin42> wagafo: I don't know anything about apt-cacher to be honest, but can you just clarify which version you says it's still present in
[14:25] <wagafo> penguin42: sorry just saw your message. The description reported is for the quantal version 1:0.174.3
[14:25] <wagafo> penguin42: the original report is for a much older version, so it seems the problem has been around for some quite time
[15:31] <penguin42> wagafo: but it's said to still happen in current code - was Quantal what you tested on?
[15:34] <wagafo_> penguin42: I'm not the OP, I'm just triaging the bug, I was just asking because it seemed to me quite straightforward what comment 3 describes
[15:35] <penguin42> wagafo_: so is it update-manager or apt-cacher that needs fixing
 It seems that comment 3 is on apt-cacher
[15:38] <penguin42> wagafo_: right, so I don't know enough about it - if it's just one doesn't work with the other then perhaps it doesn't matter, or should we add an apt-cacher bug for it?
[15:41] <wagafo_> penguin42: I think it is already filed also against apt-cacher, but if not I will add it to the bug, thanks anyway for your interest
[15:41] <penguin42> no problem
[16:14] <TheLordOfTime> so... a bug day today?
[16:15] <TheLordOfTime> (see the bugsquad list)
[16:15] <chilicuil> yep TheLordOfTime, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20130914
[16:15] <smartboyhw> Time to squash bugs people
[16:15] <chilicuil> yeeei
[16:15] <TheLordOfTime> chilicuil, i'm assuming that it'd be a good idea to make myself available for bugcontrol stuffs :P
[16:15] <smartboyhw> TheLordOfTime, you should be able to kill 100 of those within 1 hour;)
[16:15] <TheLordOfTime> smartboyhw, ehhhh
[16:15]  * penguin42 hands out the fly swatters
[16:15] <TheLordOfTime> i can't actually...
[16:16]  * smartboyhw suddenly realizes he's bug control member now-.-
[16:16] <smartboyhw> Uh oh
[16:16]  * smartboyhw hides
[16:16] <chilicuil> smartboyhw: then, forget the idea about going to sleep =)
[16:16] <TheLordOfTime> smartboyhw, i'm actually a little busyish but around...
[16:16]  * penguin42 hands smartboyhw a much larger fly swatter
[16:16] <TheLordOfTime> smartboyhw, side effect of being forced to upgrade 12 servers remotely :/
[16:16] <smartboyhw> chilicuil, I care about my sleep than computer bugs, sorry;P
[16:16] <smartboyhw> TheLordOfTime, congratulations
[16:17]  * TheLordOfTime is available to help with setting bug stuff that requires bug control presence, but not much else today
[16:17] <TheLordOfTime> that, and I'm installing Ubuntu on another system, so...
[16:17] <TheLordOfTime> xD
[16:17] <chilicuil> smartboyhw: x_x
[16:17] <smartboyhw> chilicuil, I do take care of myself.
[16:17] <chilicuil> smartboyhw: x_x
[16:18] <smartboyhw> If I don't take care of myself, then I won't be able to contribute to Ubuntu at al.
[16:18] <smartboyhw> *all.
[16:18] <chilicuil> smartboyhw: haha, that's fine =D
[16:19] <chilicuil> anyway, I'm going out now to give brochures away, http://spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org/es/material/brochure/ubuntu-brochure-triptico, I'll squash bugs in the afternoon
[16:20] <TheLordOfTime> chilicuil, i'll stick around to help out with the bug control stuff.  I even sent an email out that I'll try and make myself available.
[16:20] <TheLordOfTime> but i can't confirm bugs today... got to get Ubuntu onto the new system!
[16:21] <chilicuil> TheLordOfTime: cool, I know who to bug then =)
[16:21] <TheLordOfTime> chilicuil, heh
[16:21] <TheLordOfTime> don't innundate me with bugcontrol stuff, I do have to work on 5 nginx bugs and prioritize them :/
[16:22] <chilicuil> TheLordOfTime: lol, I wont =)
[16:23] <TheLordOfTime> i'll help out, but i do have my own crap too.
[16:23] <TheLordOfTime> geez, download faster, Ubuntu ISO :/
[16:25] <chilicuil> TheLordOfTime: if you usually install new systems, you should invest time in pxe + preseed + puppet
[16:26] <TheLordOfTime> chilicuil, it's not normal for me to install a new system
[16:26] <TheLordOfTime> chilicuil, this is what happened: previous laptop replaced, new laptop has windows, install Ubuntu for dualboot.
[16:26] <chilicuil> TheLordOfTime: ahh, then it's fine
[16:26] <TheLordOfTime> chilicuil, it's a "rare instance" where i have to install things :/
[16:26] <TheLordOfTime> ... speaking of which i need to clone my settings for programs...
[16:26] <TheLordOfTime> and grab /etc/apt/* and a list of packages installed...
[16:26] <TheLordOfTime> :/
[16:30] <TheLordOfTime> random question for people here who know, since i need to lurk this channel today: anyone know how I can export a list of the packages installed?
[16:31] <penguin42> oh hmm yeh there is a way of doing that
[16:32] <penguin42> I can't remember it though, I've heard it used to do bootstrapping
[16:32] <penguin42> TheLordOfTime: I mean dpkg -l   is the simplest
[16:33] <TheLordOfTime> penguin42, yeah, i'll drop a question into the #ubuntu channel see if I get anything
[16:33] <TheLordOfTime> or check ask ubuntu or the forums :P
[16:34] <penguin42> TheLordOfTime: I think it's dpkg --get-selections I was thinking of
[16:35] <wagafo_> TheLordOfTime: Yes, dpkg --get-selections > installed-software will create a txt file for you
[16:35] <TheLordOfTime> awesome
[16:44] <f-jack> hey im doing global jam how do i mark the bug on the global jam wiki page as done
[16:53] <jack_>  i need to mark a bug off this list can you tell me how https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20130914#preview
[16:57] <TheLordOfTime> if you don't stay connected, we can't xD
[17:05] <jack__>  I have confirmed this bug and triaged it. I am a member of bug squad so i need bug control to mark it as triaged https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1061792
[17:06] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1061792 in unity (Ubuntu) "Memory Leak in Unity (Compiz)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[17:07] <penguin42> gah
[17:07] <penguin42> can someone nail him to the channel next time
[17:08] <TheLordOfTime> penguin42, i wish
[17:08] <TheLordOfTime> jack__, stick around dude
[17:08] <TheLordOfTime> we cna't help you if you quit all the time
[17:08] <jack__> xchat forced closed
[17:08] <jack__> I'm back
[17:09] <TheLordOfTime> cool.  stick around though, because you can stay in this channel all you want
[17:09] <TheLordOfTime> penguin42, you can handle changing that bug?
[17:09] <penguin42> sure
[17:09]  * TheLordOfTime is currently eating a sandwich
[17:09] <penguin42> jack__: OK, so what priority ?
[17:09] <penguin42> TheLordOfTime: What type?
[17:09] <TheLordOfTime> penguin42, ham + cheese cold cuts + mayo + mustard + hawaiian sweet buns.
[17:10] <jack__> Its a memory leak so i think it should be medium priority i went and it like slowed my system down
[17:10] <TheLordOfTime> reference for importance: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance
[17:11] <TheLordOfTime> ... this sandwich is delicious... *shifts attention away from IRC*
[17:12] <jack__> Wouldnt it be critical it causes the system to lock up
[17:13] <penguin42> jack__: Well does it - I mean there are lots of leaks, but is this a slow leak or a fast leak?  If it's a slow leak will it actually eventually cause it to lock up or just gently swap along?
[17:13] <penguin42> jack__: Also is there really enough there to make it triaged?
[17:14] <jack__> Theres like how to reproduce the bug like exactly apport logs
[17:14] <jack__> Im just bug squad this is my first time doing this
[17:16] <jack__>  And i filed the swap in  30 minutes. Do you think theres enough to mark it
[17:16] <penguin42> jack__: You managed it in 30mins? The last person commenting on there said it took 2 days?
[17:16] <jack__> I knew what i was doing
[17:17] <penguin42> haha - so when that happened which process used all your ram?
[17:17] <jack__> compiz
[17:18] <penguin42> jack__: ok, so add some comments in there to say how you managed to get it to fail in 30mins; that's the type of thing you want to be able to get to the state where 'developers can start fixing the problem right away' which I'd say you want for triaged
[17:18] <TheLordOfTime> penguin42, you're on duty for a while
[17:18]  * TheLordOfTime has to deal with broken glasses now since he kinda sat on them :/
[17:18] <TheLordOfTime> *back later*
[17:18] <penguin42> jack__: Because a bug that a developer can repeat in 30mins is great for a developer, one that fails after 2 days is well not very nice!
[17:19] <penguin42> TheLordOfTime: I'd blame the mayo
[17:19] <TheLordOfTime> penguin42, i blame not having coffee :/
[17:19] <jack__> haha
[17:21] <jack__> who needs coffee red bull is better
[17:22] <jack__> Hey whats the command to have apport collect for a certain bug
[17:22] <TheLordOfTime> jack__, people like me need coffee :p
[17:22] <TheLordOfTime> because redbull is bleh
[17:23] <TheLordOfTime> besides, i get coffee from a local coffee roasters at a discount :P
[17:23] <jack__> lol
[17:25] <jack__> penguin42:  whats the command to get apport to collect for a certain bug
[17:27] <penguin42> jack__: I think it's apport -c from memory - but be careful about adding logs to someone elses bug, it's a bit unusual
[17:27] <jack__> im not adding logs i need someone to run it
[17:28] <penguin42> ah, just apport-collect bugnumber
[17:28] <jack__> ok


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[13:25] <dark-sun> :D
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