[03:55] <rocky> i'm finding my wifi card isn't working very well in precise (compared to in windows 7) ... it's slow, sometimes just times out, etc... i have a "Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6230 (rev 34)" device
[04:35] <imnichol> When I re-open my laptop after closing to suspend, the screen is unlocked, which package should I file this bug under
[05:04] <valorin> Is anyone having issues with the installer? I'm getting stuck on the "Removing conflicting operating system files" step of the installer.. it just sits there forever. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/924660
[05:05] <urlin2u> imnichol, have you looked in system settings screen bottom left to see if the screen lock is off
[05:07] <imnichol> Which section of system settings would it be under urlin2u?
[05:08] <imnichol> Oh, nevermind.  I see what you're saying
[05:08] <imnichol> I checked that, and the lock is turned on
[05:09] <urlin2u> system settings-screen bottom left of screen.
[05:10] <urlin2u> looks like a screen with a lock. imnichol
[05:10] <imnichol> It appears that my computer does not lock its screen when suspended
[05:11] <imnichol> Either by closing the lid, or by selecting suspend from the system menu
[05:11] <urlin2u> imnichol, you can do a bug report at launchpad if you have a account.
[05:11] <imnichol> I have an account, I just don't know what package to file the bug against
[05:11] <urlin2u> I turned mine off but I have nobody to access it.... netbook
[05:12] <urlin2u> imnichol, I'm not sure either I just started reporting, when I get a crash popup
[05:12] <imnichol> That's the problem, there's no crash so apport doesn't kick in
[05:13] <urlin2u> I suspect your not the only one, probably already reported.
[05:13] <urlin2u> !bug
[05:13] <urlin2u> eeek a bug. :D
[05:14] <imnichol> urlin2u, I've searched launchpad and I do not see any bugs similar to this.  It seems that a lot of bugs are marked "private" though, so I can't say for sure
[05:16] <imnichol> For the record: it looks like gnome-screensaver is the package that handles screen locking
[05:17] <imnichol> And it looks like it's fixed in updates!  Awesome!
[05:23] <urlin2u> imnichol, makes life easier huh. :D
[05:23] <imnichol> It's the price I pay for running an alpha
[05:23] <imnichol> and making Ubuntu better for everyone
[05:25] <LordKow> i'm not a good tester. i tend to fix the problem myself and not tell anyone about it
[05:26] <LordKow> after spending x amount of time fixing the problem its hard to spend the additional y amount of time reporting it along with the patch
[07:58] <jo-erlend> are there any serious issues I should know about?
[10:14] <Fudge> anyone here interested in grub behaviour across ubuntu versions
[10:23] <Fudge> is it a grub-pc regression  when lucid can see my osx drive and alter versions can not.
[10:28] <snadge> feature ;)
[10:36] <Fudge> what do you mean
[10:37] <Fudge> xorg log from installing fglrx w/e http://paste.ubuntu.com/824929/
[13:46] <samba35> hi
[13:46] <bazhang> hi
[13:47] <samba35> i have download a package with . run extention i try to run it with ./package (before that i change permission +x ) but its give me error
[13:48] <bazhang> samba35, what package
[13:48] <samba35> sytenx error untermincat quoted strick
[13:48] <samba35> metaspolit
[13:49] <jdhfr> i need command to upgrade to subj
[13:54] <LjL> "to subj"?
[13:58] <jdhfr> what is subj? precise pangolin.
[13:59] <LjL> jdhfr: the instructions are in the topic for alpha 1.
[14:02] <jdhfr> LjL: you probably gloading now making me wget that link and read it in kate, do you?
[14:03] <LjL> jdhfr: update-manager -d
[14:09] <h00k> 2
[14:20] <BluesKaj> hi all
[14:49] <Milos_SD> Hi
[14:49] <Milos_SD> I upgraded to Precise yesterday, and I have a little problem with nautilus look. Here is the screenshot: http://www.dodaj.rs/f/14/EE/45LCW3jA/screenshot-at-2012-02-01.png
[14:50] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek day 2 starting in 10 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[14:50] <Milos_SD> that "buttons" that show the path are not supposed to look like that.
[14:54] <rigved> Milos_SD: i have the same problem. but i haven't gotten around to filing a bug yet. if you have the time, please do so.
[14:56] <Milos_SD> rigved, so I'm not the only one. :) On some screenshots from omgubuntu i can see that he doesn't have that problem, so I thought that it is problem at my end :)
[15:00] <jdhfr> why ubuntu updater removes packette:386 stuff?
[15:01] <jdhfr> packette:i386 precisely?
[15:04] <Milos_SD> rigved, it is ok with radiance theme :)
[15:04] <Pici> jdhfr: What is packette?
[15:05] <jdhfr> Pici: many libraries
[15:05] <rigved> Milos_SD: oh. ok.
[15:08] <jdhfr> any ideas?
[15:10] <Arnold> Has anyone tried installing Ubuntu 12.04 from the daily live image, just to get stuck at "Preparing to install Ubuntu" phase?
[15:10] <Pici> jdhfr: the upgrader normally removes a bunch of packages and installs replacements, if you're really concerned that it is removing things that it shouldn't, then you should show us a paste so that we can take a look.
[15:43] <jcook_5xdata> anyone have problem with remmina after the update today on 64 bit. when I try to connect to a rdp session on login It segment faults on crashes, vnc connection seem fine.
[15:50] <jdhfr> new ubuntu made strange thing
[15:50] <jdhfr> my sdb now sda
[15:50] <jdhfr> what the hell?
[15:50] <bazhang> jdhfr, clarify please
[15:51] <jdhfr> ubuntu disk was sdb
[15:51] <jdhfr> after upgrade it is sda
[15:58] <rocky> so i'm having a very commonly reported problem that since the upgrade to precise i'm only seeing hdmi in my sound settings and i'm not getting any sound out of the regular builtin speakers... i've tried the various suggestions in the forums to no avail, does anyone here have any special tips or suggestions i can try? this is a dell xps 15z laptop with intel sound
[16:29] <jdhfr> is there a way to return disks to previous order?
[16:29] <bazhang> jdhfr, downgrade?
[16:30] <jdhfr> it doesn't make sense
[16:30] <bazhang> !blkid
[16:33] <jdhfr> am i supposed to use guids everywhere?
[16:35] <bazhang> jdhfr, you are concerned because the uuid changed?
[16:42] <Ian_Corne> heh
[16:42] <Ian_Corne> the new 'resist at screen edge' also works if you're coming from the other side
[16:42] <Ian_Corne> that's not how it should be I think
[17:35] <samba35_> i run update-manager and it installed some package and prmpted to reboot after reboot i am not able to access internet ,my ubuntu beta is on oracle linux 6.2
[17:35] <samba35_> ubuntu as a guest
[17:35] <samba35_> can you please tell me how do i fix this
[17:45] <nhaines> samba35_: there are currently no beta versions of Ubuntu available.
[17:45] <nhaines> samba35_: what packages were installed by update manager?
[17:50] <samba35_> sorry i mean alpha
[17:51] <samba35_> i dont know which packages was update
[17:52] <samba35_> nhaines, is there any way to find ? which package was added recently ,like rpm -qa --last
[18:03] <jtaylor> fyi, there is a class about running the +1 release in #ubuntu-classroom right now
[19:13] <scarleo> Does anyone else have problem with wl not working after boot in PP but after beeing modprobed?
[19:14] <jtaylor> wl=wireless? yes
[19:14] <scarleo> wl = broadcom driver
[19:15] <scarleo> I have to modprobe -r ssb b43 wl every bot and then modprobe wl again
[19:15] <scarleo> boot*
[19:15] <jtaylor> <ath9k_htc
[19:16] <scarleo> and b43 and ssb are blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/
[19:17] <scarleo> what do you mean?
[19:17] <jtaylor> I don't have a solution, just a similar problem
[19:18] <scarleo> ok
[19:54] <rocky> i'm having a very commonly reported problem that since the upgrade to precise i'm only seeing hdmi in my sound settings and i'm not getting any sound out of the regular builtin speakers... i've tried the various suggestions in the forums to no avail, does anyone here have any special tips or suggestions i can try? this is a dell xps 15z laptop with intel sound
[21:04] <floorlava> I've installed HUD, but not sure how-to invoke it.
[21:12] <Arnold> floorlava, have you restarted Unity after you installed Unity HUD from the Unity PPA team? You should then be able to invoke it by pressing the ALT key
[21:13] <Arnold> From what I know, the package version should be 5.1.x
[21:13] <floorlava> Arnold: yup, did a complete restart. I've only got Unity-2D installed though. Wonder if that could be messing it up.
[21:13] <Arnold> floorlava, hmm. Have you been using a different Unity other than the one coming from the main repositories?
[21:14] <floorlava> Arnold, I just installed Ubuntu base with the Alternate Install CD, then manually threw on xorg, gdm, ubuntuartwork, and unit-2d
[21:15] <Arnold> floorlava, installing the ubuntu-desktop metapackage might fix that. However, I believe you would need the default set of packages which makes the regular Unity to work, before installing it from the Unity Team PPA. I could be also wrong about this, though.
[21:51] <Arnold> Is there a way I could check what it is going on with Ubiquity, and why exactly it stalls at some point?
[21:53] <urlin2u> Arnold, here is a wiki, enjoy. :D  http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/oneiric/man8/ubiquity.8.html
[21:53] <urlin2u> and here is the basic google search if that helps as well. https://www.google.com/search?sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&site=webhp&source=hp&q=Ubiquity+ubuntu&btnG=Search&gbv=1&sei=HLQpT8jZJOWriQL4qPDPCg
[21:54] <Arnold> urlin2u: Ah! The debug flag might just do the trick. Thanks!
[21:55] <urlin2u> Arnold, cool.
[21:55] <Arnold> I do know it is the development version and all, but if the Alpha 2 build lands tomorrow, then I might be left out from installing it the conventional Live USB/CD way :P
[21:56] <Arnold> It just stalls at the Preparing to install Ubuntu phase, as in after clicking Continue while on that page.
[21:58] <urlin2u> I'm not really familiar with exactly what ubiquity does, I don't thin there will anything except a bug or bugs that mess with install methods.
[21:59] <urlin2u> think/will
[21:59] <blair> when is it too late to request syncs from debian for 12.04?  i'm thinking of pyside 1.1.0 which has a number of bug fixed over 1.0.9
[22:07] <FernandoMiguel> evening!
[22:08] <Daekdroom> !schedule
[22:24] <Arnold> Just want to say that the whole problem was lying with one of my defective NTFS partition. Sure I had to format it, but atleast it made the installer to move on.
[22:29] <Essobi_> Arnold: I've had to use the alternative installer on a mac book pro to get it to be happy with a OSX and NTFS partition.
[22:30] <Arnold> Essobi_: I presume the log in Ubiquity would've told you atleast something, a clue or anything. But at which point the live installer stopped working right?
[22:30] <Essobi_> eh, no idea..
[22:30] <Essobi_> It didn't just hang... it couldn't create the partition.
[22:31] <Essobi_> Or would refuse to w/o wanting to wipe out the whole disk.
[22:32] <Arnold> I see. So it's a different kind of problem then. I wonder the latest Ubiquity updates had to do something with it.
[22:32] <Arnold> I had no problem installing it with Alpha 1.
[22:59] <Lekensteyn> Hi all, are there known issues with Xorg and input devices? Bumblebee with both nvidia and nouveau segfault on it: nvidia http://paste.ubuntu.com/825582/ nouveau http://paste.ubuntu.com/825749/ Backtrace is the same
[23:24] <zzecool> Hello guy  i think i found a bug in precise can someone help me to see if he can reproduce it to his machine?
[23:24] <zzecool> guys*
[23:33] <rocky> hrm... when i create a new "desktop application" shortcut using the google chrome feature... and then i double-click on it (it has the icon representing the website i mapped) it adds that process to my already running google chrome icon ... is there anyway to make sure it remains a separate item instead of grouping with the other google chrome icon?
[23:45] <rocky> ok... a more general question, is there anyway to force apps in the unity launcher to *not* group together?
[23:45] <rocky> (ie terminal windows, browser windows, etc)
[23:49] <Daekdroom> rocky, nope
[23:50] <Daekdroom> Well, I mean there's no such setting available. There might be a way to work around that.
[23:51] <rocky> Daekdroom, any idea on how to do it? i really want "Gmail" as a separate app from the browser itself so i can quickly alt-tab and such
[23:52] <Daekdroom> Never seen anyone doing that.


[13:47] <sladen> JohnLea___: not much progress to report (...writing emails...), but can be around if you want
[13:48] <sladen> JohnLea___: there's another quicky topic though: whether/how to push the orange colour change
[13:51] <JohnLea___> sladen; let's do it quickly if you are about
[13:59] <JohnLea___> hyia, me and Marcus are in the hangout, ready when you are


[19:09] <harlan_44> hello everyone, im having an issue with a tutorial (developer.ubuntu.com/apps/qml/tutorial/)
[19:11] <harlan_44> When i try to complete this step (Select the Projects > Ubuntu > Simple Touch UI) i dont see Simple Touch UI
[19:13] <harlan_44> Under Ubuntu I see: HTML5 Tabbed Touch UI, Simple UI, Tabbed UI, ...
[19:57] <daker> hatchetation: it's Simple UI
[19:58] <daker> they are supposed to be all "touch"


[00:37] <cjwatson> daker: I've requested a rescan (http://people.canonical.com/~cjwatson/lp-rescan-branch, "lp-rescan-branch lp:~daker/launchpad/fix.1600499")
[00:37] <cjwatson> if it takes longer than about six minutes to scan then the best remedy is usually to use that
[00:38] <daker> cjwatson: thanks!
[00:41] <cjwatson> it's very annoying and will be fixed when we manage to switch over to git, hopefully not *too* far off now.  sorry for the inconvenience
[18:56] <zaki> hi
[19:00] <zaki> need help with time zone setting.


[00:48] <bkerensa> hi
[00:48] <bkerensa> oh darn... I just get on IRC and now I gotta run off and work
[00:48] <bkerensa> :(
[01:03] <MarkDude> bkerensa, PING
[01:03] <MarkDude> Any news on cheaper Linux laptops?
[01:04] <MarkDude> When does CTL expect their machines to hit- end of Feb?
[01:05] <c_smith> hmmmm, wonder what GPU those come with.
[01:05] <c_smith> got 15 minutes until I head to the Ubuntu Hour for today.
[01:06] <c_smith> headed there gives me 10 minutes leeway.
[01:06] <MarkDude> Intel Core i3-2330 2.2GHz, 3M Cache
[01:06] <MarkDude> Tello Ben I can check later
[01:07] <MarkDude> Someone at the conference was interersted
[01:07] <MarkDude> have fun c_smith
[01:07] <c_smith> yup
[01:08] <c_smith> MarkDude, I wasn't talking CPU, but GPU: Graphic Processing Unity, commonly known as a Graphics Card.
[01:08] <c_smith> *Unit, not Unity
[01:09] <c_smith> any clue what the graphics card is?
[01:34] <bkerensa> MarkDude: Beginning of March
[01:35]  * bkerensa is likely going to be a contractor setting up SVN/GIT/Trac for them and some other work to make their Ubuntu product development better
[01:49] <albrigha> bkerensa: cool awesome!
[01:50]  * c_smith is at the Broadway Commons Coffeehouse
[01:50] <c_smith> still trying to find a better place to host these Ubuntu Hours in Salem.
[01:54] <c_smith> bleh, Plasma Shell keeps crashing......
[01:54] <c_smith> so, is anyone here at Broadway Commons?
[01:55] <c_smith> if anyone is here, I'm 2 tables away from the door facing Broadway.
[01:55] <albrigha> I can't make it down there tonight I'm afraid
[01:55] <albrigha> but where on broadway is it?
[01:56] <c_smith> it's on the corner of Broadway and Gaines.
[01:56] <c_smith> really easy for me to get to.
[01:56] <c_smith> Cherriots and monthly bus pass from school ftw!
[01:57] <c_smith> bkerensa, any clue what GPU (Graphics Processing Unit) those CTL laptop have?
[02:01] <albrigha> Oh, you are in salem--that's right.
[02:01] <albrigha> I kept thinking you are in portland >_<
[02:01] <c_smith> lol
[02:02] <c_smith> I have doctors in Portland (OHSU) and I go to Portland for some of the Ubuntu Oregon events, I'd love to attend OSCON.
[02:09] <albrigha> yeah I'm planning on going this year
[02:09] <albrigha> I've been before and tons of swag
[02:10] <albrigha> got even
[02:10] <albrigha> it's good fun
[02:10] <albrigha> I think there will be a loco booth?
[02:10] <albrigha> bkerensa would know better..but I think he said osmething about that
[02:10] <c_smith> just wish I knew where it was (street address) so I could start planning.
[02:14] <albrigha> usually convention center I think
[02:14] <albrigha> http://www.oscon.com/oscon2012
[02:14] <albrigha> yeah convention center
[02:16] <c_smith> nice, now I can actually start planning for it.
[02:37] <albrigha> glad I could help :)
[03:51] <albrigha> well how'd the ubuntu hour go then?
[03:52] <c_smith> nobody showed up, dunno if I turned any heads to FLOSS either.
[03:52] <c_smith> but it's only the 3rd meeting (second one I didnt't make, 1st one I hosted, might have those numbers wrong, too) so it's to be expected.
[03:53] <c_smith> heh, I posted about that on #ubuntu-offtopic by mistake. meant to say what I said there here.
[04:08] <albrigha> lol
[04:08] <albrigha> hate it when that happens
[04:08] <c_smith> yup
[04:09] <c_smith> well, back to marking software to install
[04:56] <albrigha> so what do you do c_smith?
[04:56] <albrigha> school, work? etc?
[05:11] <c_smith> School, working on getting in Chemeketa.
[05:11] <c_smith> I help out here in my spare time (which is getting less and less these days)
[05:12] <c_smith> plus I have an operation on my jaw coming up (which I wish I could just forget until I have to go in for it)
[05:19] <albrigha> what do you want to learn at chemeketa?
[05:19] <albrigha> I have an operation on my wrist soon >_<
[05:20] <albrigha> not looking forward to it either
[05:20] <albrigha> what do they have to do with your jaw, if you don't mind?
[05:20] <c_smith> they're breaking it and reconstructing it, similar to what they did to my nose, this will be operation twenty-something, I lost count at 20.
[05:21] <albrigha> damn man
[05:21] <albrigha> that sounds harsh >_<
[05:21] <c_smith> Scholiosis, Cleft Lip AND Pallet.
[05:21] <albrigha> well..hopefully everything will work out this time!
[05:21] <c_smith> got the short straw in that sense in my family, but I haven't had a broken bone that didn't need to happen.
[05:22] <c_smith> both my brother AND sister have had broken bones due to accidents.
[05:22] <albrigha> man that sucks
[05:22] <albrigha> I'm sorry :(
[05:22] <c_smith> yep, at least I haven't broken a bone in my body myself.
[05:22] <albrigha> but..you seem pretty positive
[05:22] <albrigha> so that's good :)
[05:23] <c_smith> yep. sometimes I get somewhat negative, but with this type of stuff, I find it's easier to look at it in a positive angle.
[05:23] <albrigha> yeah...can't really control it. sadly
[05:23] <c_smith> there are things I tend to look at negatively though.
[05:23] <albrigha> I'm sure, it happens :/
[05:24] <albrigha> what are you wanting to do at chemeketa?
[05:24] <c_smith> but most things are easier to look at in a positive light.
[05:24] <albrigha> they do emt/fire stuff there, I think?
[05:24] <c_smith> something that will help me at least get in to a better college for programming classes.
[05:25] <albrigha> ah cool!
[05:25] <albrigha> have you learned any programming, by chance?
[05:25] <c_smith> yup
[05:25] <c_smith> a bit of Python.
[05:25] <albrigha> nice
[05:25] <albrigha> I've been working on python myself
[05:25] <c_smith> still working on it in times I'm bored.
[05:25] <albrigha> if you want to do some collaboration I'd be down
[05:25] <albrigha> yeah..
[05:25] <albrigha> it's nice to work with someone, I feel
[05:25] <albrigha> little motivation, etd
[05:25] <albrigha> c
[05:26] <c_smith> when I get bored, I put my effort to learning it. or reading a book.
[05:26] <albrigha> have you looked at..
[05:26] <albrigha> http://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/ex1.html
[05:26] <albrigha> it's great!
[05:26] <albrigha> I also found some MIT classes online! :O
[05:27] <c_smith> that looks like it would be better than the book I'm using.
[05:27] <albrigha> I've had a hard time with books..
[05:27] <albrigha> I mean I have a great book too
[05:27] <albrigha> but the learnpythonthehardway is great
[05:28] <albrigha> I learned a lot
[05:28] <c_smith> I myself have a good time with books when I can practice it while reading it.
[05:28] <albrigha> exactly
[05:28] <albrigha> it's just hard that, at least my python book, is 3" thick
[05:28] <albrigha> it's hard to prop that thing up so I can read it while typing
[05:29] <c_smith> true.
[05:30] <albrigha> I have a music stand..but it sort of falls over
[05:30] <albrigha> well check it out, let me know what you think
[05:30] <albrigha> I'm no expert, but I'll help if I can
[05:31] <albrigha> I know some super python programmers though
[05:31] <c_smith> I will, currently working on marking stuff for installation, and then am going to sleep, I'll look at it tomorrow then let you know. k?
[05:31] <albrigha> yeah cool :)
[05:31] <albrigha> ttyl :)
[05:32] <c_smith> also, was it you I was helping with the znc server?
[05:32] <albrigha>  no, I haven't tried connecting yet
[05:32] <albrigha> my configuration is..complicated.
[05:32] <c_smith> I'm not going to sleep yet.
[05:32] <c_smith> ah, ok
[05:32] <albrigha> but..actually I'm going to get xchat working though
[05:32] <c_smith> still have quite a bit to mark for installation.
[05:33] <albrigha> what are you installing?
[05:33] <albrigha> 12.04?
[05:33] <c_smith> a bunch of games, and some stuff for compiling different programs, and Chromium.
[05:33] <albrigha> ah fun stuff
[05:33] <c_smith> yup
[05:33] <albrigha> what do you use ubuntu for anyway?
[05:34] <c_smith> My only OS, which means pretty much everything, the only thing that held me to Windows I found out worked better on Ubuntu about two years ago.
[05:35] <albrigha> awesome!
[05:35] <c_smith> yup
[05:35] <albrigha> what version do you have installed now?
[05:35] <c_smith> Kubuntu 11.10 x86_64
[05:35] <albrigha> ah cool
[05:36] <c_smith> KDE really looks nice, and is really functional.
[05:36] <albrigha> yeah..and unity is looking better :) at least..with 12.04 it seems better. or maybe I just get it more
[05:36] <albrigha> I hated it for awhile though
[05:37] <c_smith> looks like I might try 12.04 beta, but the alpha doesn't want to work for me.
[05:37] <albrigha> what issues are you having?
[05:37] <c_smith> Kernel Panics galore on startup.
[05:37] <albrigha> I load up the daily..almost daily
[05:37] <albrigha> hm
[05:37] <albrigha> interesting
[05:37] <albrigha> what sort of system are you on?
[05:37] <albrigha> have you tried recently?
[05:37] <c_smith> just yesterday.
[05:38] <albrigha> it ran fine in my VM..I'm curious what panics you are getting?
[05:38] <albrigha> did you run it on a real system or vm?
[05:39] <c_smith> VM worked, got a good look at it, it doesn't like being installed on the real system.
[05:39] <albrigha> ah hm
[05:39] <albrigha> interesting
[05:39] <albrigha> well my test box sort of crashed
[05:39] <c_smith> I'll likely do the VM for a while until Beta comes about.
[05:40] <albrigha> what sort of system did you try installing it on?
[05:40] <c_smith> Compaq Presario CQ60-420US
[05:41] <c_smith> system is about 3-years old.
[05:41] <albrigha> hmm
[05:43] <c_smith> now here's a sad thing: many children in the US are unemployed illegally.
[05:44] <c_smith> *employed.
[05:44] <c_smith> not unemployed.
[05:44] <albrigha> I don't see any defects for your system with kernel panic
[05:44] <albrigha> would you be willing to do some testing for me?
[05:44] <c_smith> hmmmm, then it might be the fact that it is an alpha.
[05:44] <albrigha> i'd..really appreciate it :)
[05:44] <c_smith> what kind of testing?
[05:45] <albrigha> true..if I could get the kernel panics I can double check if they are already in LP
[05:45] <albrigha> just install..see how it goes. and lemme know what panics you get, etc
[05:45] <albrigha> If you want..no pressure
[05:45] <c_smith> I've found I can get a Panic from just booting the LiveCD.
[05:46] <albrigha> are there any other messages/errors?
[05:46] <c_smith> Virtualbox doesn't do this, though.
[05:46] <albrigha> yeah seems to work fine with vb for me too
[05:46] <albrigha> so I'm thinking there is a hardware issue
[05:46] <albrigha> but..it's hard to say..limited info, etc
[05:46] <c_smith> I'd need to get the CD, and the packages would take several hours to install, so I can test tomorrow.
[05:46] <albrigha> oki np
[05:46] <c_smith> cool
[05:47] <c_smith> tbh, don't think I'll actually install as I get the same Panic from the LiveCD as if I were to upgrade and reboot.
[05:47] <albrigha> yeah that's cool
[05:47] <albrigha> just a livecd and the actual error would be great
[05:48] <albrigha> is that your primary system?
[05:49] <c_smith> cool, I'll have the LiveCD ready, just need to have a way to talk on IRC on my Wii (not hard since I have it hacked)
[05:49] <c_smith> it's my only PC.
[05:52] <c_smith> I'm sure I can get an IRC client for my Wii. just would need to figure out how to get it to connect to Ben's znc server.
[05:54] <albrigha> hm no idea..
[05:54] <albrigha> I've played on a wii I think once >_<
[05:54] <c_smith> yeah, doubt you have a softmodded Wii.
[05:55] <albrigha> I haven't. but I've moded lots of android phones :)
[05:55] <albrigha> I'm sure it's diff though
[05:55] <albrigha> how do you mod a wii, roughly?
[05:56] <c_smith> lol, VERY, the main I/O software is know as an IOS (Input/Output System) I usually mod it with an exploit called Letterbomb, and use that exploit to install a channel called The Homebrew Channel.
[05:56] <albrigha> over usb? a linux app?
[05:57] <c_smith> nope, front loaded SDHC card.
[05:57] <albrigha> wow xchat is way better than pidgin. that's for sure
[05:57] <albrigha> ah I see
[05:57] <c_smith> that it is.
[05:57] <c_smith> the actual exploit was found by Team Twiizers.
[05:58] <albrigha> hold on, I'm going to switch completely. brb
[06:01] <c_smith> hmmm, looks like I'll have to use the Wii internet Channel to use a Browser based IRC client.
[06:02] <c_smith> Mibbit Looks promising.
[06:04] <kalosaurusrex> bah
[06:04] <kalosaurusrex> my other nick zombied
[06:05] <c_smith> wow.....
[06:06] <c_smith> not sure how that happens. would a op be able to help?
[06:08] <kalosaurusrex> nah it's cool
[06:08] <kalosaurusrex> I think I almost have it
[06:10] <c_smith> k
[06:13] <albrigha> ohh okay
[06:13] <albrigha> i think i got it worked out
[06:14] <albrigha> c_smith, you still around?
[06:16] <c_smith> yup
[06:16] <albrigha> ah cool
[06:16] <albrigha> working great
[06:16] <albrigha> much much better
[06:16] <c_smith> won't be for much longer, though
[06:16] <albrigha> oki
[06:17] <c_smith> but yeah, you see why I use Xchat now, don't you?
[06:17] <albrigha> oh yes
[06:17] <albrigha> i've used it before and forgot about it >_<
[06:17] <c_smith> I use Pidgin for FB and a Gamer IM called Xfire.
[06:17] <albrigha> it's much better
[06:17] <albrigha> i can never get fb to keep working..
[06:17] <c_smith> Xfire only has a Windows client.
[06:17] <albrigha> it always seems to have some issue after awhile
[06:17] <albrigha> ah
[06:18] <c_smith> but Pidgin has a plugin for Xfire called Gfire.
[06:18] <c_smith> hmmmm, I haven't run into that on Pidgin with Facebook.
[06:19] <albrigha> i just stopped using it after awhile
[06:19] <albrigha> i guess i could try again
[06:20] <albrigha> eh i don't really chat on fb anyway
[06:20] <albrigha> so it wasn't a big deal
[06:20] <c_smith> well, I'm gonna go get some sleep, tomorrow I'll figure out the IRC on the Wii, as the Wii doesn't have an IRC client (not even a Homebrew app) but it has an Opera based web browser, so I should be able to get a browser based Freenode client working.
[06:20] <albrigha> cool!
[06:20] <albrigha> ttyl :)
[06:20] <c_smith> and then I'll assist on the Panics.
[06:20] <c_smith> ttyl
[06:36] <albrigha> anyone around?
[07:38] <bkerensa> heh
[07:38] <bkerensa> albrigha Im here
[07:39] <albrigha> hey hey!
[17:09] <c_smith> hello
[17:11] <c_smith> albrigha, you here?
[17:13] <c_smith_> doing that so I can log into my account with a browser based IRC and help with the Kernel Panic
[17:39] <Tgonza> hello all
[17:40] <Tgonza> bkerensa I finally have some time to try and get that ZNC thing working in Xchat
[17:40] <Tgonza> it wasn't ZNC but cant remember what the letters where
[17:41] <Tgonza> bkerensa this is TRAVISg
[17:42] <Tgonza> Anybody here this morning?
[17:43] <Tgonza> I have some questions about architectures I just realized last night that the install I did of 11.10 on My girlfiends machine is 64 bit
[17:44] <c_smith> cool
[17:44] <Tgonza> So now I am researching the differences to see if I need to reinstall with 32bit any first impressions
[17:45] <Tgonza> wait a moment whats the "Kernel Panic" something I can help with?
[17:45] <c_smith> actually, unless she has more than 4GB worth of RAM, there's not much difference, 64-bit is the first architecture that can support >4GB RAM.
[17:46] <c_smith> 32-Bit in general support up to 3GB RAM.
[17:47] <c_smith> and the Kernel Panic is from the Alpha version of 12.04, me and albrigha are trying to pin down the cause so a bug report can be filed for it.
[17:47] <Tgonza> I see
[17:47] <c_smith> it isn't installed, but I have the LiveCD ready.
[17:47] <Tgonza> ah
[17:47] <c_smith> the LiveCD gives me the same Panic as if I were to upgrade and boot up.
[17:48] <Tgonza> You know this may sound cheesy but you guys have made learning more about my hardware and software so easy and such a good experience
[17:48] <Tgonza> thanks for all your help guys
[17:48] <c_smith> no prob
[17:48] <Tgonza> *tearing up a little*
[17:48] <Tgonza> ;)
[17:49] <c_smith> just wish more people in Salem were interested in FOSS.
[17:49] <Tgonza> I have heard some talk here at the mission I live and work at of making a jump to FOSS
[17:52] <c_smith> hmmmm, interesting.
[17:52] <c_smith> well, time to play some Modern Warfare 3
[18:13] <Tgonza> Enjoy
[18:13] <Tgonza> bkerensa you here?
[18:13] <Tgonza> bkerensa, cant remember how to talk to a specific person I think that's it
[18:42] <Tgonza> c_smith you there?
[19:05] <Tgonza> AFK
[19:26] <Tgonza> any body here?
[19:29] <Tgonza> all right I am off to backspace then the Library. hope to catch some folks later
[19:29] <Tgonza> bkerensa really looking forward to the screencast of znc-Xchat set up thanks in advance
[20:11] <c_smith> hello
[20:16]  * c_smith finished playing MW3 for now
[20:35] <c_smith> hmmmmm, kinda quiet.
[20:58] <tgm4883> PARTY!
[20:58] <tgm4883> BUWAWAWAAAAWAWA!!!!!!!!
[20:58] <tgm4883> There, no longer quiet
[20:58] <tgm4883> your welcome c_smith
[20:58] <c_smith> lol
[20:59]  * c_smith throws confetti
[20:59]  * tgm4883 fires guns into the air
[21:01]  * c_smith lights helium on fire
[21:03]  * tgm4883 pumps gasoline into the fire sprinklers
[21:03] <tgm4883> Da roof, Da roof, Da roof is on fire!
[21:09] <c_smith> rofl
[21:10]  * c_smith dumps Nitroglycerin on tgm4883 and throws a match on him
[21:10] <c_smith> ooops, think someone killed tgm4883, better get the police in here.
[21:10] <tgm4883> (In the voice of Vader) Noooooooo!!!!!!!!!!
[21:13]  * c_smith fires a sniper rifle at tgm4883 at point blank range
[21:14]  * tgm4883 holds up the firing pin to said sniper rifle
[21:16] <c_smith> crap....... you beat me there. BUT!  :D
[21:22] <tgm4883> Thanks, I've got a bunch of it done. I need Unity to get a little more mature before I can feed the lens what I'd like to, so I'm working on some zero conf stuff right now
[21:28] <c_smith> ah, cool, well, time for lunch, ttyl


[09:08] <jose__> hello??
[09:08] <jose__> hola
[09:08] <jose__> necesito ayuda
[10:26] <sigurdson> Hiya, i was just wondering if there is a seagate dashboard 2.0 app for linux? For a slim BUP drive
[10:49] <TechTom> Hello, is it possible to use GParted to copy / paste or move my current ubuntu partition to an empty partition that is before it in the partition list?   I want to expand my linux partition but can't seem to expand it to the empty partition that comes before it. Thanks/
[14:36] <swift110> hey all
[14:39] <diogenes_> hi you
[14:52] <swift110> how are you diogenes_
[15:20] <diogenes_> swift110, pretty good thx hru?
[15:20] <swift110> diogenes_, I'm good
[23:30] <moy_> Anyone have a second to field a question with regards to a systemd-coredump?
[23:30] <moy_> My second computer is running arch linux with mate as the desktop environment.  “Journalctl -p 3 -xb” gave me an output stating: “Process 868 (mate-power-mana) of user 1000 dumped core.”  Then says this usually indicates a programming error in the crashing program and should be reported to its vendor as a bug.  Is this something I can fix? Should I send this to the mate team? Curious… sorry if this is the wrong place
[23:30] <moy_>  to ask.  Just figured bc it was in regards to the mate power manager I would ask here first.
[23:52] <CreateChange2> is there an official release date for mate 17.10?
[23:52] <CreateChange2> or an approximate release date for when 18.04 might come out? resurrecting an old laptop for my father and I want to plan accordingly


[19:54] <ibeardslee> morning
[20:45] <Atamira> morena
[20:54] <hads> morning
[22:27] <kcj[work]> Morning.


[00:22] <tboat> hey all, could use help with something on my ubuntu 13.04 server: recently set up iptables, however samba no longer broadcasts, can connect directly, but it does not list in Network Shares.
[00:23] <tboat> and yes i have rules for the samba ports in iptables
[00:37] <sarnold> tboat: how about the 'nmbd' ports?
[00:38] <tboat> they should be in there
[00:39] <tboat> 137, 138, 139, 445, 389, 445, 901
[00:39] <bradm> tboat: I find it useful to add an explicit log and then deny when I'm trying to get firewalls working
[02:38] <Arrick> Hey all, if I have run a cmd such as "aptitude install mysql-server libapache2-mod-auth-mysql php5-mysql" on a server, how to I remove that?
[02:38] <Arrick> this is on 12.04 LTS
[03:15] <Arrick> !openldap
[03:15] <Arrick> !ldap
[03:20] <Arrick> Guys, I am wanting to be able to have my windows users be able to utlize single sign-on with a moodle website, am I looking at the right thing with ldap?
[03:21] <Arrick> !single sign on
[03:21] <Arrick> !SSO
[03:27] <pmatulis> Arrick: you're thrashing
[03:27] <Arrick> ok, please point me in the right direction
[03:29] <pmatulis> Arrick: is this website on the internet or on your private network?
[03:29] <Arrick> private network
[03:30] <Arrick> I have been able to install sites so that SSO works in the past, but not on Linux
[03:30] <Arrick> I dont want the users to have to logon to the server every time they are doing training, just logon to thier windows PC, and have it authenticate for them when they hit the site.
[03:31] <pmatulis> SSO on a LAN typically involves Kerberos
[03:33] <Arrick> and NTLM
[03:33] <Arrick> LDAP was what our last 2 sites have utilized..
[03:34] <Arrick> but then, they were both windows servers running IIS.
[03:35] <pmatulis> LDAP is a protocol, what was the implementation?  Windows or Linux?
[03:35] <Arrick> the implementation was windows for the other sites, this one I need on Linux
[03:36] <pmatulis> so you were probably using AD then
[03:36] <Arrick> Oh, yes, Active Directory is the authentication, sorry.
[03:37] <pmatulis> ok, AD incorporates Kerberos and LDAP, in its own strange way
[03:38] <Arrick> yeah
[03:38] <Arrick> its what I need, and you are definately on the right track, is there a single site that can help me get to where I need to be at?
[03:38] <pmatulis> if Windows clients adhere to the standards then they should be able to deal with a Linux-based Kerberos setup, but you never can tell with Windows
[03:39] <pmatulis> LDAP just stores information.  you can therefore put your Kerberos info inside of LDAP if you want but you will still require a Kerberos server
[03:40] <pmatulis> if you use LDAP, i recommend OpenLDAP as its implementation
[03:40] <pmatulis> but LDAP & Kerberos can be fairly complex
[03:41] <pmatulis> and, no, i don't have a site for you.  you'll need to do a fair amount of homework
[05:24] <pmatulis> how do i get rid of 'quiet splash $vt_handoff' on a new saucy install?  there is no quiet or splash in /etc/default/grub
[05:25] <pmatulis> yet the first 3 options are in my grub.cfg
[05:26] <pmatulis> weird, a 'sudo update-grub' got rid of them, no changes made by me
[10:37] <Joel_re> hey, I've been trying to get nagios3 installed
[10:37] <Joel_re> but it just fails
[10:37] <Joel_re> http://hastebin.com/qutafitaki.vhdl
[10:37] <Joel_re> any clues on what I can do to get around this ?
[14:59] <AdminInNeed> Hi, why do automatic updates download flash plugin on headless ubuntu server?
[14:59] <AdminInNeed> It seems like a waste since only lynx is installed; no ff, chrome, or etc.
[15:01] <rbasak> AdminInNeed: it isn't installed by default. Seems you or something on your system installed it since installation, and thus it's being upgraded.
[15:02] <HumpyDumpy> does anyone here have a cloud?
[15:02] <HumpyDumpy> i tried to make a cloud :( it didn't go so well
[15:03] <remix_tj> AdminInNeed: i suggest you to install with the option --no-install-recommends or the relative option on apt config to avoid the installation of useless software
[15:03]  * LinuxGold is running Ubuntu 13.10 server in Virtualbox on iMac machine.  have been running console for a while and decided to install xubuntu-desktop, couldn't run.
[15:04] <LinuxGold> already apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[15:04] <LinuxGold> successfully installed, but couldn't start.
[15:04] <LinuxGold> rebooted the vm
[15:04] <AdminInNeed> Raboo: remix_tj thanks you for the direction and advice.
[15:18] <ivoks> hey
[15:18] <ivoks> how does one terminate a subordinate charm that's in the state of dying :)
[15:54] <LinuxGold> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6421788/
[15:54] <LinuxGold> this might help?
[15:56] <josh__> Hello I have installed BIND manually but I am a little bit confused about whether I am using named.conf or named.conf.local? Both need creating either way. Any help appreciated!
[15:57] <rbasak> josh__: I suggest you use named.conf.local unless you have to change something in named.conf.
[15:57] <rbasak> josh__: it allows the packaging to change the default named.conf on upgrades without interfering with you.
[15:58] <rbasak> josh__: however, you may change named.conf if you wish, eg. to replace the default structure that packaging provides. In this case, you'll just be prompted to deal with it yourself on upgrade.
[15:59] <josh__> Thanks so much for the help. I am new to this admittedly but it's for an experiment I am setting up. A lot of the resources refer to named.conf.local but I thought that may be just for apt-get installs.
[15:59] <josh__> It seems strange that you have to create these files manually as well, is this normal when manually installing?
[15:59] <rbasak> What do you mean by "manually installing"?
[16:02] <josh__> Well unpackaging the tarball that I downloaded on BIND's website and compiling it etc. This is how I installed as I wanted to ensure I was getting a particular version.
[18:52] <jrwren> i want to untar an ubuntu cloudimg and chroot to it. possible? thoughts?
[18:54] <sarnold> jrwren: if I recall the cloudimages correctly, that's one of the intended uses :)
[18:58] <jrwren> well look at that, its even a tarball https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/precise/current/precise-server-cloudimg-amd64-root.tar.gz
[18:58] <jrwren> thanks for not calling me crazy sarnold
[18:59] <sarnold> jrwren: woo :)
[20:06] <daveops> I could use some help demystifying the Cloud archive release cycle...
[20:07] <daveops> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nova/ I can see that 2013.1.4 has been released in the updates channel, but it's not available to me in precise-updates


[07:28] <dholbach> good morning
[22:49] <PabloRubianes> daker, ping have a minute?
[22:56] <daker> PabloRubianes: yes
[22:58] <PabloRubianes> daker, hello, have a minute, I am having problems trying to run the loco portal in my pc
[22:58] <daker> PabloRubianes: sure
[22:59] <PabloRubianes> I used to run it fine in 13.04 but now in 13.10 it doesn't run
[22:59] <daker> PabloRubianes: do you get any error ?
[22:59] <PabloRubianes> when I


[16:02] <mdeslaur> sorry guys, looks like the meeting is going to be cancelled, as everyone is either at DebConf or LinuxConf
[16:02] <mdeslaur> LinuxCon
[16:02] <kees> \o
[16:03] <jcastro> oh no!
[16:03] <jcastro> is there a method for me to ask about my agenda items over mail?
[16:03] <mdeslaur> jcastro: sure, send it to the technical-board list
[16:04] <jcastro> ack, thanks
[16:04] <mdeslaur> although we probably will want to discuss this live in a meeting
[16:04] <mdeslaur> as there may be some convincing and discussion of the best way to handle it
[16:04] <jcastro> yeah, but I can start the process too.
[16:04] <jcastro> kind of make my case, etc.
[16:04] <mdeslaur> jcastro: sorry about that
[16:04] <jcastro> no worries, it happens
[16:04] <mdeslaur> jcastro: yeah, that's probably a good idea
[16:06] <jcastro> ok will do so, thanks everyone.
[16:06] <mdeslaur> ok, I hereby declare this meeting cancelled
[16:06] <mdeslaur> thanks jcastro
[16:07] <kees> o/
[16:07] <mdeslaur> kees: hi! :)
[16:08] <kees> hi :) was trying \o for "hi" and o/ for "bye".
[16:33] <mdeslaur> haha :)


[06:57] <dholbach> good morning
[23:46] <JoseeAntonioR> working on the fridge post for the dvds announcement from Jono, should that go? It's super short
[23:47] <JoseeAntonioR> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/?p=5357&preview=true if you can give it a check, if it's too short I'll just delete it, otherwise let me know to click the submit for review button
[23:51] <JoseeAntonioR> akgraner: ^


[00:44] <bdmurray> @pilot out
[06:43] <pitti> Good morning
[06:58] <Noskcaj> pitti, Would you mind giving me a motu testimony? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Noskcaj#MOTU
[06:59] <pitti> barry: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/trusty-adt-system-image/16/? \o/
[07:00] <pitti> barry: the new test looks great, just what a package/integration test should be
[07:00] <pitti> barry: i. e. let the unit test handle the fine details during package build, and at integration time just make sure that your packages ship everything that they need and the main use case works
[07:57] <dholbach> good morning
[08:55] <soren> hallyn_: No clue, sorry.
[10:53] <evfool> hey seb128
[11:03] <seb128> evfool, hey
[11:03] <evfool> seb128: glad to see that GTK 3.10 will land in 14.04, and that some app updates might also land, wanted to know whether there's any other criteria for an app to be updated beside NOT HAVING headerbars
[11:04] <seb128> evfool, well, no real defined criteria, just "it's a LTS cycle, please be careful/don't get crazy"
[11:05] <seb128> do you have anything specific in mind?
[11:05] <evfool> seb128: in the context of system monitor we had minor UI tweaks+headerbar support, but I would be trying to add a compile option to compile without headerbar support (with standard menubar), and would like to know whether that'd be fine
[11:05] <seb128> evfool, yes, that would be great
[11:06] <Laney> you can detect it at runtime
[11:06] <seb128> we just need the app to not look so different from everything else
[11:06] <seb128> evfool, right, runtime might be better
[11:06] <Laney> https://wiki.gnome.org/HowDoI/AlternateMenubarLayout
[11:06] <seb128> so gnome-shell user can get the headerbar
[11:07] <evfool> seb128: ok, right then, I'll go with Laney's advice and do that
[11:07] <seb128> and the app still looking 'normal' under other desktops
[11:07] <seb128> evfool, excellent, thanks!
[11:07] <Laney> rocking, nice one
[14:31] <sergiusens> wgrant, hey, ubuntu:lxc-android-config seems to be out of sync, I've been forwarded to you; is there anything we can do about it?
[14:32] <sergiusens> jamespage, hey, in case you were wondering. wrt to my golang issue yesterday; it was actually a bug in dh-golang; I've logged a bug and a simple patch upstream
[14:33] <wgrant> sergiusens: http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/lxc-android-config.html#2013-10-24%2002:27:29.212426 suggests that the changelog is corrupt
[14:33] <wgrant> It could probably ignore that, except it crashes because the warning code can't handle non-ASCII characters...
[14:36] <wgrant> It would possibly work if I hacked udd to just suppress all warnings from debian.changelog, but I'm not sure if that would have unforeseen consequences.
[14:37] <hallyn_> hm, a boot with !quiet !splash seemed to show 2 precious seconds in a 8 (now 10) second boot were spent 'scanning for btrfs filesystems'
[14:37] <sergiusens> wgrant, we can get barry to port that to python3 :-)
[14:38] <sergiusens> wgrant, let me see if I can fix that warning in the changelog whatever it is
[14:39] <wgrant> sergiusens: Possibly, but it might be looking at a changelog in an old version of the package
[14:39] <wgrant> I don't have time to look right now, I'm afraid.
[14:39] <sergiusens> ack, I'll just use plain sources for now then
[14:39] <sergiusens> thanks anyways
[14:47] <xnox> hallyn_: right, at the moment if you have btrfs-tools installed, it gets copied into initramfs unconditionally (even if there are no btrfs pools attached to the system / it boots off non-btrfs)
[14:53] <hallyn_> xnox: yuck.  if i'm not booting from btrfs, seems like something that could get pushed back to mountall...
[14:57] <xnox> hallyn_: override / purge / dpkg-divert the btrfs-tools initramfs hooks.
[14:58] <jamespage> sergiusens, excellent
[14:58] <jamespage> sergiusens, have you done any from scratch packaging using dh-golang yet? I have some stuff to work on this cycle but in the new year
[15:00] <sergiusens> jamespage, yes actually,I've packaged gocheck; it's in debian new; I also have a packaging branch for usensord (our sensors interface for touch) under review
[15:00] <jamespage> sergiusens, excellent!
[15:00] <jamespage> sergiusens, I'm due to break out some of the bundled source dependencies from juju
[15:01] <sergiusens> jamespage, well, the good thing is that it's not that hard to package :-)
[15:01] <jamespage> sergiusens, does dh-golang actually build anything? or does it just package up the source code
[15:01]  * jamespage has not looked in detail yet
[15:03] <sergiusens> jamespage, it builds main packages
[15:04] <sergiusens> jamespage, for packages it just sets up a by convention /usr/share/gocode GOPATH and installs there
[15:04] <jamespage> right
[15:05] <sergiusens> convention is, for those packages just append the -dev
[15:05] <hallyn_> xnox: well that box (the only one that boots fast anyway) doesn't actually have any btrfs, so i had just wantd the manpages once :)
[15:05] <xnox> hallyn_: purge it & use manpages from manpages.ubuntu.com (there  is even a command line utility to fetch / read manpages from there)
[15:06] <xnox> ... with added bonus of choosing which release to read the manpage for.
[15:06] <sergiusens> jamespage, there's already a couple of packaging branches you can use to inspire yourself http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?a=project_list;pf=pkg-go/packages
[15:07] <sergiusens> jamespage, and the general convention which is a light read: https://wiki.debian.org/MichaelStapelberg/GoPackaging
[15:27] <pitti> slangasek, stgraber, xnox: I updated https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/core-1311-ssd-trimming with cking's summaries
[15:27] <pitti> slangasek, stgraber, xnox: so I think on the phone we all agree that "discard" is the way to go
[15:28] <pitti> slangasek, stgraber, xnox: what's your feeling on the desktop? I still tend towards the cron job, but I'm happy to see that "discard" is not as bad a performance eater as I feared
[15:29] <stgraber> pitti: yep. I think I already have a branch for it somewhere, just need to push it I guess :)
[15:29] <pitti> stgraber: a branch for what?
[15:29] <stgraber> pitti: discard on phone
[15:29] <pitti> stgraber: oh, right, nevermind
[15:29] <pitti> [stgraber] modify phone initramfs-tools to apply discard option: TODO
[15:29] <xnox> stgraber:  pitti: ok, i have a branch for mountall that fixes remounting if options are different, but it needs fixing. so if you want to enable it on touch now, do it in the initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch by manually specifying that option.
[15:30] <pitti> xnox: it's not urgent enough to warrant temporary workarounds on the phone which will be obsolete soon, IMHO
[15:30] <stgraber> xnox: yeah, my plan was to do it directly at initial mount in the initrd
[15:30] <xnox> stgraber: good.
[15:30] <hallyn_> xnox: i don't like using a browser when i don't have to :)
[15:31] <hallyn_> is there a scope for manpages.u.c?
[15:31] <pitti> stgraber, xnox, slangasek: so I guess I'll go write that cron job now, as we want that either way
[15:31] <xnox> hallyn_: there is a cli util to fetch & man -l the manpage.
[15:31] <xnox> hallyn_: no idea about scopes.
[15:32] <pitti> slangasek: oh, and once we have a decision, BP approval would be nice (or some comment what's still missing); TIA!
[15:32] <stgraber> pitti: so my main concern about using fstrim is small SSDs but I guess if we run it daily it may be fine
[15:34] <stgraber> pitti: I actually had the case yesterday where I accidently filled my mediacenter's SSD twice when copying some stuff around (32GB SSD but playing with 1080p movies...)
[15:36] <pitti> wgrant: oh! https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+language-packs
[15:36] <pitti> wgrant: thanks
[15:36] <pitti> seb128: ^ FYI
[15:36] <infinity> pitti: Didn't cking have all sorts of benchmarks and numbers about trim and discard?
[15:36] <seb128> pitti, great!
[15:36] <pitti> infinity: right; as I said I just put his conclusions into the BP
[15:37] <infinity> pitti: Oh, heh, I didn't read far enough back. ;)
[15:37] <davidcalle> hallyn: not sure if it's what you are looking for, but if you have the manpages package installed, try searching the Dash for "manpages:dpkg"
[15:37] <infinity> pitti: If discard is the right answer on phones, why wouldn't it be on desktops?  What's the reasoning there?
[15:38] <pitti> infinity: desktops usually have much bigger hard drives, and you are much more likely to create and remove lots of files there
[15:38] <hallyn_> davidcalle: ah, interesting, thanks.  now, it would be better if it also searched manpages.ubuntu.com :)
[15:38] <hallyn_> (and if 'man:' was a shortcut :)
[15:38] <infinity> davidcalle: That really needs... What hallyn_ just said.
[15:39] <infinity> davidcalle: The "man: as a shortcut" bit, not the remote search bit.
[15:39] <infinity> (Though the latter might also be neat)
[15:40] <infinity> Then again, "Ctrl-Alt-T ; man dpkg" is actually faster, since the silly GUI man reader is slow.
[15:40] <hallyn_> rbasak: is your next uvtool upload also going to fix launching apport every time an xception is raised bc you use a bad cmdline arg?
[15:40] <hallyn_> infinity: agreed
[15:40] <davidcalle> I know... hallyn_, infinity, the keyword issue can be fixed manually in the config file (/usr/share/unity/scopes/code/manpages.scope)
[15:41] <hallyn_> infinity: the conv started because i said i installed btrfs-tools to ge tthe manpages, so i thought the scope might search manpages.u.c...  *there* the scope woudl e faster than launching a browser or installing the pkg :)
[15:41] <infinity> hallyn_: Yeahp, indeed.  The remote search would be handy.
[15:41] <hallyn_> infinity: except, of course, for the fact that you have to hit ctrl-alt-t 2 or 3 times to get it to work :)
[15:41] <infinity> hallyn_: I... Do?
[15:41] <rbasak> hallyn_: I'd love to know how to fix that.
[15:41] <infinity> Works fine here.
[15:42] <davidcalle> hallyn_, good point. Now, waiting for someone to provide an API for manpages.u.c ;)
[15:42] <hallyn_> infinity: not on any of my laptops
[15:42] <infinity> hallyn_: Weird.    But do you still have Alt bound to the HUD?
[15:42] <hallyn_> no, windows
[15:43] <hallyn_> rbasak: i bet stgraber knows how
[15:43] <rbasak> hallyn_: bug 1245641. Perhaps s/whoopsie/apport/.
[15:43] <infinity> hallyn_: That's one of the few non-stock things I do, I relocate the HUD shortcut to something I never use (F12, I think?), so it doesn't abuse my Alt.
[15:43] <hallyn_> oh, hud
[15:43] <hallyn_> right
[15:43] <hallyn_> infinity: lemme try that, thanks!
[15:44] <hallyn_> yup, that's definately better
[15:44] <hallyn_> course my laptops still hate me, now they'll just catch on fire to spite me
[15:49] <hallyn_> rbasak: BUT, i'm creating and desroying vms with uvt-kvm.  this is a good start :)  now i need to get it running on precise.
[15:52] <wgrant> pitti: Oh, that finally worked. A pleasant surprise.
[15:52] <rbasak> hallyn_: it's in the cloud-tools pocket. My latest upload fails the test suite because the test I'm using is too new for Precise. I need to fix it. But you could disable tests, I suppose. I probably should make nocheck work as well :-/
[15:54] <stgraber> @pilot in
[15:56] <hallyn_> rbasak: i'd recommend making '-l ubuntu' the default for uvt-kvm ssh
[15:56] <rbasak> hallyn_: I'd never considered that, but it sounds reasonable - thanks.
[15:57] <mitya57> barry: re jquery-* packages that coverage depends on: I think it may make sense to file a MIR for them.
[15:58] <mitya57> barry: nose now also dep-waits on them, and fails to build without them (debian #726695)
[15:58] <mitya57> what do you think?
[16:01] <barry> mitya57: yeah, looks like that probably makes sense.  would you be able to do that?
[16:01] <barry> (file the MIR that is)
[16:02] <mitya57> barry: can't file it right now, but will do
[16:02] <mitya57> in fact, those jquery plugins are already in main as part of our current coverage tarball
[16:02] <barry> mitya57: awesome, thanks.  are you planning to do a sync for python-coverage from sid also?
[16:03] <mitya57> barry: I'm not sure if we can drop the Breaks:
[16:03] <barry> mitya57: s/sync/merge/ ? :)
[16:04] <mitya57> Yes :)
[16:04] <mitya57> But it'll be in sync again after trusty release
[16:04]  * barry nods
[16:04] <barry> mitya57: if you're planning on doing it, i'll just wait for the mp :)
[16:06] <mitya57> barry: actually, I looked again at the changelog and it seems we don't need the breaks
[16:06] <mitya57> it was added because python-coverage used to ship python3 module
[16:06] <mitya57> but the precise version is python2-only
[16:07] <mitya57> ... and we don't support upgrades from q/r to t
[16:07] <barry> mitya57: is that the only delta we carry?
[16:08]  * barry is in a meeting and can't look right
[16:08] <barry> now
[16:09] <mitya57> barry: last time I checked I decided that jquery stuff and breaks: were the only delta
[16:09] <mitya57> But I'll check that again before filing a sync request
[16:09] <barry> mitya57: thanks!
[16:09] <mitya57> you are welcome :)
[16:15] <brendand> i'm having a weird issue with tagging bugs via launchpadlib
[16:16] <brendand> if i get a bug via one of its subtasks then i can't update its tags and save it
[16:16] <brendand> if i get it directly via lp.bugs then it works
[16:19] <doko> barry, reportlab is ready for 3.x upstream. needs a bit of messaging, and maybe packaging from a separate source for now. but should be ready later this year or in January
[16:19] <cjwatson> brendand: Sounds like bug 254901.
[16:20] <barry> doko: fantastic news, thanks!
[16:21] <brendand> cjwatson, i saw that one before :) but this isn't it
[16:21] <brendand> cjwatson, lets say i have a task
[16:21] <brendand> cjwatson, that task has a .bug attribute
[16:22] <brendand> cjwatson, that is the parent bug
[16:22] <cjwatson> if it isn't that bug then I don't know sorry
[16:23] <brendand> cjwatson, if i update the tags like 'bug = task.bug; bug.tags = bug.tags + ['new']; bug.lp_save()' then it doesn't add that tag in launchpad
[16:23] <cjwatson> sometimes foo = lp.load(foo.self_link) is needed for odd reasons I generally don't bother to track down :)
[16:23] <brendand> cjwatson, maybe
[16:24] <brendand> cjwatson, i think i have a workaround anyway. but i'll try that
[16:31] <tedg> jodh, Is there any way to set multiple environment variables at once using the Upstart DBus interface?
[16:31] <tedg> Seems that setenv can only do one at a time.
[16:31] <jodh> tedg: limited to 1 at a time atm, but feel free to raise a bug request :)
[16:32] <tedg> jodh, Heh, okay.  Let me see if switching from shelling out initctl to using DBus saves me enough time.
[16:41] <seb128> bdmurray, hey, I just uploaded https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=webkit, I would appreciate a review if you can get it in today ... that should fix s-c being very unstable/hitting Xerrors
[16:41] <bdmurray> seb128: okay.  I was looking at your software-properties-gtk merge proposal yesterday and commented on it
[16:42] <seb128> bdmurray, I saw, thanks for that
[16:42] <seb128> I think mvo still wanted to understand how those packages could have no candidate
[16:42] <seb128> I didn't manage to end up in that situation
[16:42] <seb128> e.g I tried installing a driver from restricted and drop the source
[16:42] <bdmurray> What I was suggesting was that with a fresh install all packages will have no candidate.
[16:42] <seb128> but you still get a candidate for the locally installed version in those cases
[16:43] <bdmurray> As apt-get update hasn't been run.  Well a fresh install with no internet connectivity.
[16:43] <seb128> well, you have no candidate but you wouldn't have drivers listed in the Ui either then
[16:43] <seb128> that bug happens when a driver is listed and has no candidate
[16:43] <seb128> didrocks suggested it might be people e.g installing nvidia drivers from the nvidia run install script
[16:43] <seb128> e.g out of the packaging system
[16:44] <seb128> but I couldn't test that, they installer checks for hardware and bails out if you have an nvidia card matching the driver
[16:44] <mdeslaur> xnox: mind if I steal your php5 merge?
[16:45] <bdmurray> seb128: I could query the crashdb to see if all of the instances have an origin of unknown if that would help
[16:47] <bdmurray> hmm, those four instances I've looked at have wl in NonfreeKernelModules
[16:47] <seb128> bdmurray, they don't, I've been through a few on https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/55c1babf9ec1556365267f9ae7de740aec64d777 ... a good part have, but that doesn't seem the only case where it happens
[16:48] <seb128> bdmurray, see e.g https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/5a0f326a-62e4-11e3-86e6-e4115b0f8a4a
[16:48] <bdmurray> well okay, if you need more information just let me know
[16:49] <xnox> mdeslaur: yes please, go ahead.
[16:49] <seb128> bdmurray, will do, thanks
[16:50] <seb128> bdmurray, if you have any idea what might happen to trigger the issue/manage to reproduce it, it would be useful
[16:50] <seb128> bdmurray, mvo wanted a sources.list and apt info from somebody having the bug to understand it
[16:50] <seb128> the patch I made should stop the reports but wouldn't fix the underlining reasons
[17:09] <pitti> stgraber, xnox: I think http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/scripts/fstrim now checks everything we agreed to in the discussion, and I tested it with various scenarios
[17:09] <pitti> review/comments appreciated!
[17:11] <xnox> pitti: what's the plan for lvm/mdadm? should i be enabling trim on those by default as well? but then fstrim script above will ignore them?
[17:12] <pitti> xnox: why will it ignore them?
[17:12] <pitti> xnox: ah right, due to hdparm
[17:13] <pitti> xnox: I'll investigate this tomorrow; if fstrim can "look through" them, then all is well (but we need to ignore "not supported" errors from it); otherwise I wouldn't know how to call fstrim on those
[17:13] <pitti> xnox: I certainly hope that fstrim works on those
[17:13] <pitti> (or discard)
[17:13] <pitti> so, experimenting with this is interesting indeed
[17:14] <xnox> pitti: i believe there is lvm2.conf option to enable trim support and then one can trim volumes and it propagates, or some such.
[17:15] <xnox> pitti: why libgirepository1.0-dev depends on gobject-introspection package? and why is libgirepository1.0-dev is not multiarch-arch same?
[17:15] <pitti> xnox: GI is currnetly not multiarch capable
[17:16] <pitti> to make that, /usr/lib/girepository-1.0/ would need to be moved to the <arch> directory, and libgirepository be taught about that
[17:16] <pitti> xnox: as for the dependency, I'm not sure
[17:16] <pitti> xnox: doesn't look immediately necessary, I just don't know how many packages rely on having the g-ir-compiler etc. being pulled in through it
[17:16] <pitti> xnox: as usually you need the tools as well
[17:18] <xnox> pitti: right, but at the moment i can install libgirepository-dev (and or compile/link against it) for a single arch at the time, sans installing gojbect-introspection (or installing it for other architectures)
[17:18] <xnox> pitti: or have it installed when I don't require / planning to run gobject-introspection at all.
[17:18] <xnox> this is blocking cross-building & bootstrapping. I'll look into what fallout this may cause, and look into transitioning.
[17:19] <xnox> pitti: as usually if something is using tools from gobject-introspection, it should be directly depending on it (per policy) instead of relying on transitive dependencies.
[17:19] <pitti> xnox: i. e. gobject-introspection should be M-A: foreign
[17:19] <xnox> pitti: that is also true.
[17:20] <xnox> pitti: (despite not yet being able to do cross-arch introspection, but it's ok)
[17:20] <xnox> we know it's broken, but at least it should be installable.
[17:20] <pitti> xnox: well, the tools ought to work for a foreign architecture
[17:20] <pitti> it's the library which needs its lookup paths adjusted to multiarch
[17:20] <xnox> i believe last time cjwatson was looking into this, they didn't.
[17:21] <pitti> xnox: oh, because they wouldn't find the right libgirepository-1.0-1
[17:22] <xnox> pitti: for now, i've dropped bogus dependency on libgirepository-dev and i'm unblocked =) this can be revisitted later.
[17:23] <pitti> xnox: ack
[17:24] <seb128> xnox, do you plan to fwd those accounttservice changes to Debian?
[17:24] <xnox> seb128: yes
[17:24] <seb128> good
[17:24] <seb128> xnox, thanks
[17:24] <xnox> seb128: btw why are we at -0ubuntuX ?
[17:24] <pitti> xnox: actually, if we drop the static lib, the only thing which is arch specific in -dev is the pkgconfig
[17:24] <pitti> xnox: and multi-arching that ought to be rather easy
[17:25] <seb128> xnox, because our upstream version is newer than the one in debian?
[17:25] <xnox> seb128: ah, horum. yeah i see.
[17:32] <cjwatson> pitti: AFAIK gobject-introspection needs to (a) be converted to use AC_COMPUTE_INT and friends to get type sizes on the target architecture (b) be treated somewhat like pkg-config - that is, you need a version of g-i built for your host arch but aimed at a different target arch
[17:32] <cjwatson> or like a cross-compiler I suppose
[17:32] <cjwatson> it's not at all trivial sadly
[17:33] <cjwatson> the tools will produce wrong answers for a foreign architecture right now, or at least would last time I looked
[17:36] <dobey> cjwatson: hey! are you a reasonable person to poke about extras.ubuntu.com? it doesn't have trusty archives yet, and so do-release-upgrade bails on the index files not being available from what i can tell
[17:37] <cjwatson> no
[17:37] <cjwatson> IIRC it's managed by the app review board
[17:38] <dobey> ah ok
[17:43] <tarpman> dobey: bug 1244050 (and bdmurray's comment there)
[17:45] <dobey> right
[17:46] <dobey> tarpman: which doesn't help me immediately. and there are still two separate issues
[17:48] <slangasek> the ARB is defunct in practice; I don't believe we're going to see extras.u.c in trusty, which reduces the number of issues to 1
[17:48] <slangasek> (i.e., having do-release-upgrade not care)
[17:53] <xnox> slangasek: i think last time we've tricked highvoltage into copying a package into a new pocket and removing, to get the indexes generated for the new codename, but obviously not have any packages published.
[17:53] <slangasek> yes; but there's no reason we should do that if it's defunct
[17:54] <xnox> cjwatson: the linaro anaylysis seems to say that output can be made architecture agnostic, and that it is the same if the register widths are the same (sans couple of issues e.g. gl vs gles)
[17:54] <xnox> cjwatson: https://wiki.linaro.org/PeterPearse/GobjectIntrospection
[17:54] <xnox> cjwatson: i'd rather introspection data become arch:all then building cross-gir-scanners
[17:55] <slangasek> "if the register widths are the same"?
[17:55] <xnox> slangasek: between HOST and BUILD arches.
[17:55] <slangasek> what madness is masked by that innocent conditional?
[17:55] <slangasek> ok, but what's a "register width"?
[17:55] <xnox> slangasek: i'm quoting https://wiki.linaro.org/PeterPearse/GobjectIntrospection
[17:56] <slangasek> so I would assume that means word size
[17:56] <xnox> slangasek: i'm guessing that i386 gir/types files happened to be same as on armel, sans gl/gles.
[17:56] <cjwatson> xnox: I'm not sure I was ever convinced by Peter's analysis, and I did mine after his
[17:56] <slangasek> which means we can't usefully build arch: all typelibs
[17:56] <xnox> slangasek: i would think word size was meant as well.
[17:56] <cjwatson> xnox: I'm pretty sure he analysed one specific pairing and got reasonably lucky, rather than analysing the underlying issues.
[17:56] <slangasek> since arch: all builds on i386, and nowadays most of what we're crossing is for 64-bit (e.g., arm64)
[17:57] <xnox> slangasek: if we could push the size out of typelib and define it for target architecture elasewhere.
[17:57] <cjwatson> xnox: So, no, sorry, I don't credit the Linaro analysis here.
[17:57] <xnox> surely we do know the sizes for default types and G types for glib and thus we don't need to encode it everywhere, and instead use a symantic value.
[17:58] <cjwatson> This is what AC_COMPUTE_INT etc. is for.
[17:58] <cjwatson> Let us not get into the insanity of hardcoding type sizes ...
[18:01] <cjwatson> girparser.c appears to intentionally flatten the integer types (gint, glong, etc.) into the basic types (gint32, gint64, etc.).  I don't know why and it would seem worth looking into before doing anything about it
[18:04] <cjwatson> I agree it would be better if typelibs could be arch-indep, but I don't know how difficult it is to get there from here, and I'm also concerned about architecture-dependent code in the thing being analysed
[18:36] <shadeslayer> backportpackage seems to be broken?
[18:37] <shadeslayer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6562770/
[18:40] <tarpman> shadeslayer: should it be -u telepathy-kde/ppa ?
[18:41] <shadeslayer> huh
[18:41] <shadeslayer> ppa: used to work before
[18:42] <tarpman> er, ppa:telepathy-kde/ppa
[19:38] <wookey> what magic /win 18
[19:38] <wookey> doh
[19:55] <Noskcaj> Can someone take a look at the new version of  libhugetlbfs? It adds fully arm (inc. arm64) support
[19:55] <Noskcaj> doko, I think you where the last uploader
[21:27] <bdmurray> hallyn_: I think you typoed the bug number (1235649) in your cgroup-lite upload to precise's proposed queue
[22:10] <hallyn_> do
[22:12] <hallyn_> h
[22:16] <hallyn_> bdmurray: that was meant to be bug 1257857
[22:16] <hallyn_> bdmurray: shall i re-upload, or can you fix that in-stream?
[22:17] <bdmurray> hallyn_: no, I can't at least as far as I know.
[22:17] <hallyn_> ok, will re-push, thanks
[22:18] <hallyn_> (pushed)
[22:28] <stgraber> @pilot off
[22:28] <udevbot> (pilot (in|out)) -- Set yourself an in or out of patch pilot.
[22:28] <stgraber> @pilot out
[22:41] <tarpman> hi, would some kind sru person let me know the status of accountsservice in precise-proposed? it's been there (and verified) for a while. just wondering whether it's "keep waiting" or needs attention from anyone
[22:43] <dobey> "a while" is < 7 days?
[22:43] <tarpman> that short? I must have misread something, my apologies
[22:51] <xnox> tarpman: it's stuck because only one of the two bugs is verified.
[22:51] <xnox> tarpman: from http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html
[22:51] <xnox> tarpman: it's sru for bug #1004515 and bug #1067414
[22:52] <xnox> tarpman: while first one is verify the second one is not.
[22:52] <xnox> ah, they are duplicates.
[22:52] <xnox> tarpman: right, i've marked the duplicate bug as verification-done
[22:53] <tarpman> xnox: thank you!
[22:53] <xnox> bdmurray: is that correct behaviour that duplicate bugs are considered by pending-sru report? (one duplicate of the other, yet one was verification done and the other one was still needed)
[22:54] <xnox> tarpman: it should become green and good to go, after next report regeneration.
[22:54] <tarpman> xnox: much appreciated :)
[22:56] <bdmurray> xnox: pending-sru looks at the changelog to see which bugs are fixed and I'd expect duplicate consolidation to be done before a package was uploaded to -proposed
[22:57] <xnox> bdmurray: ok.
[23:00] <bdmurray> xnox: well I guess something should be done to the report to identify SRU bugs that have been marked as a duplicate as people do crazy things
[23:01] <xnox> bdmurray: well, i don't think it happens that often, does it?
[23:02] <bdmurray> xnox: no, so I'll make it a wishlist thing
[23:03] <xnox> bdmurray: it could print #102 (#99, #83), #83, #79. where in the brackets are bug numbers of duplicates.
[23:03] <xnox> bdmurray: since e.g. regression comment might be on the duplicate, instead of master bug.... then also it would be easier to spot if changelog has listed duplicate bugs.
[23:04] <bdmurray> xnox: that'd be a crazy long list
[23:04] <xnox> =/
[23:04] <xnox> yeah, for crazy bugs it would be.
[23:05] <xnox> bdmurray: then #bug (#masterbug), if #bug happens to be marked as duplicate? that would be at most double the bug references.
[23:05] <xnox> (if all changelog mentioned bugs became dupes)
[23:05] <bdmurray> xnox: I was thinking about just changing the color if it is a duplicate becasue that is wrong
[23:06] <xnox> oh, nice. that would be lovely.
[23:08] <bdmurray> but then we'll have some angry fruit salad
[23:12] <xnox> bdmurray: i pick 50 shades of gray