[11:10] <fdoving> matthew_: you can try <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS> as backups. easy to remember.
[11:10] <matthew_> ok,thanks
[11:10] <Black_Cat> Powerking89670, btw - how much MBs to download for Wine to be installed?
[11:11] <Yorokobi> !info wine > Black_Cat
[11:11] <matthew_> fdoving, have you heard of openDNS?
[11:11] <Powerking89670> Im not sure It makes u add an entry to Adept
[11:11] <fdoving> matthew_: yes, briefly.
[11:11] <Powerking89670> I can look
[11:12] <Black_Cat> Yorokobi, thanks i have the link already :)
[11:12] <Powerking89670> Ive thought about helping wine. believe it or not I can crack formats in my sleep
[11:12] <Black_Cat> just 9Mb. cool.
[11:12] <Powerking89670> says 42M install size
[11:12] <Powerking89670> im assumeing thas MB
[11:13] <Black_Cat> Powerking89670: it's the installation size on HDD, not the download MBs :)
[11:13] <terran4000> damn you beryl! tempting me so
[11:13] <Powerking89670> yes I know
[11:13] <Powerking89670> well 42M tarballed is like what. 31?
[11:14] <terran4000> depends what's in it
[11:14] <Powerking89670> im assuming the download is in tarball
[11:14] <halo> apt-get install msttcorefonts
[11:14] <halo> doesn't work!
[11:14] <Black_Cat> plaintext may be tarballed even with better ratio :)
[11:14] <fdoving> halo: chekc that you have the multiverse repository enabled.
[11:14] <fdoving> !multiverse | halo
[11:14] <ubotu> halo: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[11:15] <Powerking89670> Im sure its on www.winehq.org lemme look
[11:15] <Powerking89670> ....if FF will open it
[11:15] <Powerking89670> of cource I use .org and its .com
[11:15] <Black_Cat> and if it won't than the site isn't worth it :)
[11:15] <Black_Cat> ah
[11:16] <Powerking89670> Must be down or something
[11:16] <Powerking89670> it wont load....
[11:16] <halo> if I click on Adept in the menubar I have only the exit option!
[11:16] <Powerking89670> this is the part where I would normally suspect winsock, but that cant be right :p
[11:16] <jager> so i tried feisty earlier today
[11:16] <jager> it loaded but my keyboard completely didn't work at all
[11:16] <jager> any clues as to why that may be?
[11:16] <jager> reverted to edgy for the nonce
[11:17] <jager> its a standard ps2 jobby
[11:17] <melkor> my mouse/sound card/wireless card stopped working.
[11:17] <Black_Cat> jager: /etc/X11/xorg.conf i bet
[11:17] <jager> yar wifi stopped was well
[11:17] <melkor> which kernel are you using?
[11:17] <halo> I don't have Manage repositories while clicking on Adept in the menubar... +_+
[11:17] <terran4000> feisty has too many issues for me to use it on something that I 'need'
[11:18] <jager> on edgy?  2.6.17-10-generic
[11:18] <mauro> halo: did you just install ?
[11:18] <mauro> terran4000: feisty is still beta :P
[11:18] <fdoving> halo: what about the view menu?
[11:18] <jager> the disk i had was one of the release cantidates for edgy from many moons ago
[11:18] <jager> updating now
[11:19] <soulrider> lol, jager , isnt it better to just download a new iso ?
[11:19] <jager> also tried sabayon (gentoo) just for kicks and i couldn't get wifi working there either
[11:19] <halo> it's in Italian, I can try a translation, there's "Review modification"
[11:19] <terran4000> haha, I know it's beta ... but they stil didn't fix the raid issue, and they managed to remove drivers for my network cards. I'm currently going to Arch linux on my desktop
[11:19] <jager> well i would have but i didn't have net access in either sabayon or feisty
[11:19] <melkor> jager, I need madwifi to get wireless working
[11:19] <jager> and no other PC
[11:19] <halo> I checked the box with "unsupported software" and "proprietary software"
[11:19] <soulrider> terran4000: right now im on Arch
[11:19] <gae> sorry guys, need some hand with wine and possibly the attention of a person enough for a PM
[11:19] <malcher> ah thank you fdoving
[11:20] <halo> and now I can see mstruetype-..
[11:20] <gae> don't worry, no porno
[11:20] <malcher> oops :P
[11:20] <soulrider> terran4000: the people on IRC seem to be mostly a55holes though
[11:20] <malcher> whrong shell
[11:20] <jager> problem was no wifi and thus no way to research fixes on sabayon, similarly on feisty but with the added problem of no keyboard
[11:20] <soulrider> terran4000: my fonts look kinda weird on arch though
[11:20] <soulrider> some sites are unreadable
[11:20] <jager> i've never had a linux fail to use a ps2 keyboard
[11:20] <terran4000> soulrider: haha, great .... well, I just want it to work and some 'new-ish' features and be costumized for my desktop
[11:21] <soulrider> terran4000: you are aware you have to install everything right ?
[11:21] <terran4000> soulrider: as long as Arch works (functionally), I can deal with the looks later
[11:21] <soulrider> even xorg
[11:21] <terran4000> soulrider: yeah, not a problem
[11:21] <soulrider> oh, i suggest
[11:21] <soulrider> copy the kubuntu corg.conf
[11:21] <soulrider> save it to use on arch
[11:21] <soulrider> i couldnt do it myself, so i copied my kubuntu config over
[11:21] <soulrider> :P
[11:21] <terran4000> soulrider: I started out with pure beg ages ago
[11:22] <soulrider> oh, i see
[11:22] <terran4000> lol, yeah. I'm saving a lot of config data now.
[11:22] <gae> Sorry if I repeat, I need a hand with wine, anybody knows it but good?
[11:22] <soulrider> ive been using linux for less than a year
[11:22] <soulrider> gae all i know is i can use it to load utorrent :P
[11:22] <terran4000> only reason I went to kubuntu was because I'm tired of configuring EVERY thing my self in linux and kubuntu seemed to mostly do things for me. Though beryl sucked and I wanted it ^^
[11:22] <soulrider> maybe if you ask in #wine ?
[11:22] <jager> doesn't utorrent have a linux native client?
[11:23] <gae> soulrider: winehq
[11:23] <soulrider> terran4000: you can have beryl on kubuntu no problem
[11:23] <Powerking89670> why not use KTorrent?
[11:23] <soulrider> ktortent isnt good enough for me
[11:23] <gae> indeed why not Ktorrent
[11:23] <Powerking89670> its in the Adept Package Manager, couldnt get any easier to install things
[11:23] <jager> ktorrent is pretty nice
[11:23] <soulrider> i installed deluge on Arch, but for some reason it wont load
[11:23] <terran4000> soulrider: oh I know ... I still have it running on my semi-working system. it's just that Feisty broke my desktop. No network, no working raid, no video acceleration ... ect ect
[11:24] <maki_> i can remove all the kernels exept that what grub loads?!
[11:24] <terran4000> Kubunty Edgy worked just fine ... except for beryl.
[11:24] <soulrider> terran4000: its still beta!! :P
[11:24] <soulrider> everyone upgrades to feisty and then complains, i got a feeling that feisty will be a bit too buggy for my taste
[11:24] <soulrider> maki yes
[11:24] <terran4000> soulrider: yeah yeah ... though from my I've seen so far, feisty is going the wrong way in terms of compatibility with older hardware
[11:24] <maki_> ok thatnks
[11:25] <soulrider> yes terran4000 i feel the same way
[11:25] <fdoving> terran4000: that's actually not just feisty, the entire 2.6.x series of the linux kernel is going that way.
[11:25] <jager> terran4000: i got beryl running on edgy last time i had this loaded
[11:25] <Stormzoeker> terron4000: got feisty up and running on a very old Dell GX1 :P
[11:25] <terran4000> I run Feisty on this laptop and it rans damn well. only issues I ran into were also with beryl when I really started messing with it :-)
[11:25] <jager> of course now i have to start over but it seemed trivial enough
[11:25] <soulrider> i have berylk on edgy! :P
[11:26] <terran4000> jager: yeah, beryl on edgy works damn well I have to admit ... except with kde >_>
[11:26] <raindo1> In Kubuntu FIrefox and Thunderbird work perfectly.  In my Gnome session Firefox can't do dns lookups, and Thunderbird won't connect at all.  What could be causing this?  (It's not my firewall as Konqueror works perfectly in both sessions.)
[11:26] <jager> i had it running under kde
[11:26] <jager> what didn't work for you?
[11:26] <terran4000> jager: I could never get the kicker and taskbar to work right. even with the 'compiz' patches for both
[11:27] <jager> weird
[11:27] <PhinnFort> works here
[11:27] <terran4000> it's a known bug actually ...
[11:27] <terran4000> some people have it, some don't
[11:27] <jager> seemed to work as expected for me
[11:27] <jager> weird
[11:27] <terran4000> agreed.
[11:27] <soulrider> i allways sued KDE and it worked like charm for me
[11:27] <PhinnFort> i want to sue KDE too!
[11:27] <jager> lol
[11:27] <terran4000> lol
[11:27] <PhinnFort> ;P
[11:28] <Black_Cat> %)))
[11:28] <jager> i wanna know why my wifi card doesn't seem to work under anything but edgy out of the box
[11:28] <jager> 00:09.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset (rev 01)
[11:28] <Black_Cat> why sueing someone who makes real good stuff though :)
[11:28] <jager> that's a pretty generic card, no?
[11:28] <terran4000> edgy is stable and proven to be so ... like debian stable is damn stable on all hardware ...
[11:29] <gae> terran4000: not true
[11:29] <gae> Dapper is the stable one
[11:29] <jager> doesn't that card use the orinoco module?
[11:29] <gae> terran4000: edgy is good
[11:29] <terran4000> gae: ah you, you are correct, my apologies.
[11:29] <terran4000> *ah yes
[11:29] <jager> ubuntu on the desktop, debian on the servers
[11:29] <jager> that's how i roll
[11:29] <terran4000> same
[11:30] <PhinnFort> ubuntu on the desktop, kein server;)
[11:30] <terran4000> never had a problem with my two deb servers. ^^ so much less work on those two once I set up em
[11:31] <terran4000> speaking of problems ... is this a known problem: you boot your laptop with the 2nd battery (module bay) in, then decide you want to burn something so you swap in your cd-rom .. but it doesn't work/show up
[11:32] <terran4000> thus you have to reboot to have it show up in /dev ...
[11:32] <terran4000> is this common? or just me being an idiot somehow?
[11:34] <raindo1> I get the following error in my gnome session when starting Firefox but not in my kde session.
[11:34] <raindo1> /usr/lib/libkdeui.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN7KGlobal23unregisterStaticDeleterEP18KStaticDeleterBase
[11:34] <raindo1> /usr/lib/kde3/plugins/styles/domino.so could not be unloaded
[11:34] <raindo1> gedit: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkutils.so.1: undefined symbol: _ZN7KGlobal23unregisterStaticDeleterEP18KStaticDeleterBase
[11:34] <raindo1> Why would domino.so be throwing this error in gnome?
[11:36] <terran4000> raindo1: seems FF (and the like) are using your KDE libs for most things
[11:36] <terran4000> did you install kubuntu originally?
[11:36] <raindo1> terran4000:  no.  I have always had ubuntu installed initially and installed a kde session afterwards.
[11:37] <raindo1> This behavior just started recently.
[11:37] <raindo1> In KDE Firefox works just fine, but now, in gnome it can't even do dns lookups correctly.
[11:37] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> heh theres irony
[11:37] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> its rebeling against its makers
[11:38] <raindo1> hehe
[11:38] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> firefox fights the system: catch it in theatres this month!
[11:39] <raindo1> If I wasn't on dialup I'd just download Feisty beta and proceed with a clean install to take care of the problem.
[11:39] <jhutchins> raindo1: Is the firefox on your system from ubuntu, or from Mozilla?
[11:39] <raindo1> jhutchins:  it's from ubuntu.
[11:40] <jhutchins> raindo1: You could just try reinstalling.  I'd do it either from the console or within gnome, see if it helps.
[11:40] <Black_Cat> pity there wasn't firefox in kubuntu :(
[11:40] <jhutchins> Black_Cat: Um, yeah, there is.
[11:40] <terran4000> Black_Cat: there is ....
[11:40] <Black_Cat> erm
[11:40] <raindo1> jhutchins:  I have considered that.  I guess I'll have to bite that bullet.
[11:40] <Black_Cat> i used kubuntu6.06 liveCD, and it had NO firefox there...
[11:41] <terran4000> 6.10 would have it
[11:41] <jhutchins> !info mozilla-firefox
[11:41] <ubotu> mozilla-firefox: Transition package for firefox rename. In component universe, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>+0dfsg-0ubuntu0.6.10 (edgy), package size 55 kB, installed size 116 kB
[11:42] <raindo1> My other option is to simply forget my gnome session and stay in kde until I can get a Feisty iso.
[11:43] <jhutchins> Black_Cat: Live CD's have limited resources, and since konqueror is part of KDE, they chose not to duplicate it's function.
[11:43] <maki> where can i configure autostarted apps
[11:43] <weedar> I can't seem to find my two Sony Ericsson W810i cell phones via the Bluetooth OBEX Client, any suggestions as to why?
[11:43] <Black_Cat> jhutchins: quite reasonable, but still sad a bit
[11:43] <weedar> I got one of the phones to work the other day (this is the first time I've tried the second one)
[11:43] <fdoving> !autostart | maki
[11:43] <ubotu> maki: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[11:43] <jhutchins> Black_Cat: Oh, I don't think so.  I don't think firefox is all that great.
[11:44] <Black_Cat> jhutchins: firefox isn't. but i miss those webdev-plugins.
[11:44] <jhutchins> I use konqueror for 99% of what I do.
[11:45] <jhutchins> Quanta's great for development.
[11:46] <Hrontore> !envy
[11:46] <ari> hi.
[11:47] <Hrontore> hi
[11:47] <terran4000> Hiya
[11:47] <ubotu> envy is a Python script that eases installation of the official Nvidia and ATI drivers. This software is NOT supported by ubuntu and you will not receive aid for it here. More at http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html See !nvidia and !nvidia9
[11:47] <Hrontore> ha there it is
[11:47] <Hrontore> ^^
[11:47] <__huzzah__> /close
[11:47] <AmyRose> I'm curious--does anyone in here know if Konversation can display the background colors of formatted text? I ask because I'm in a channel where people make use of that.
[11:47] <ari> i'm trying to record my voice with audacity but it doesn't work although i can hear my voice with my speakers
[11:48] <terran4000> blarg ... sometimes, I think Feisty is turning into something similar to Vista >_>
[11:48] <ari> how could i fix that !%!
[11:48] <ari> *!?!
[11:48] <jhutchins> ari: Read the audacity docs.
[11:48] <AmyRose> !rtfm | jhutchins
[11:48] <PhinnFort> terran4000: how so?
[11:49] <jhutchins> AmyRose: I think that's a configurable option in the settings menu.
[11:49] <ari> i read them but i didn't find what i was looking for.
[11:49] <terran4000> it's removeing older hardware support left and right, thus the min-specs just keep on increasing greatly
[11:49] <AmyRose> jhutchins: I can't find that. I can turn on foreground colors but not background colors
[11:49] <ari> i might look again...
[11:49] <jhutchins> ari: Do you have capture enabled for the mic in your mixer?
[11:50] <ari> in kmixer, yes it is enabled. but audacity doesn't record it.
[11:50] <jhutchins> AmyRose: You're right, I see "Allow colored text", but nothing about backgrounds.
[11:51] <AmyRose> jhutchins: I find that odd because the color dialog lets you pick a background color
[11:51] <AmyRose> Looks like I'll just stick to XChat
[11:51] <Hrontore> how do i use envy
[11:51] <Hrontore> ?
[11:51] <AmyRose> Hrontore: You installed it, right?
[11:51] <Hrontore> uhh
[11:52] <jhutchins> ari: I have two buttons on my mixer, one for "Mute" and one for "Record".
[11:52] <AmyRose> Hrontore: Did you download the deb file?
[11:52] <Hrontore> no i dont know how to mess with the deb file
[11:52] <AmyRose> Hrontore: Can you use the terminal?
[11:52] <Hrontore> yes
[11:52] <ari> oh i thought you were talking about kmix wich has more than 2 buttons...
[11:53] <Hrontore> amyrose: im trying to figure out why my windows games aren't work properly
[11:53] <AmyRose> Hrontore: Then just do "sudo dpkg -i name-of-the-deb.deb"
[11:53] <jhutchins> Hrontore: What part of "This software is NOT supported by ubuntu and you will not receive aid for it here." did you not understand?
[11:53] <AmyRose> Hrontore: Linux isn't designed to run Windows games.
[11:53] <Hrontore> true
[11:53] <AmyRose> Hrontore: jhutchins is right.
[11:54] <Hrontore> k
[11:54] <Black_Cat> Hrontore: but there are many games for linux :)
[11:54] <Hrontore> I know
[11:54] <Hrontore> found a lot of them
[11:54] <maki_> i dont have nothing in /.kde/Autostart/ and still kopete konversation and amarok are autostarted
[11:54] <AmyRose> Hrontore: Do you have an nvidia card?
[11:54] <Hrontore> haha, no, ati
[11:55] <fdoving> maki_: that's because they are saved in the session, ie. you left them running when you logged out.
[11:55] <jhutchins> maki_: Close them, then log off and log back on again.
[11:55] <maki_> il try
[11:55] <AmyRose> I always start with a blank session...
[11:56] <maki_> no
[11:56] <maki_> its the same
[11:57] <AmyRose> maki_: Try going into the System Settings dialog, advanced, and Session manager. Set it to start a blank session
[11:59] <WopR> salut
[11:59] <maki_> simple as that
[11:59] <maki_> i'm realy a n00b
[12:00] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> if not for newbism, could one ever achieve professionalism?
[12:00] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> if not for a beginning, do all things not end? maki_ philosophy!!
[12:00] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> its okay to be new
[12:00] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> relax
[12:01] <maki_> that's the problem
[12:01] <maki_> i'm not new
[12:01] <maki_> i use linux for 6 monts now
[12:01] <terran4000> I think there should be a addition to that philosophy: being new is ok, and welcome even ... if you are open minded and willing to learn :-)
[12:01] <Gtwy> is there a website i can search packages on
[12:01] <Gtwy> besides using the adept package manager
[12:02] <Gtwy> i am not on kubuntu right now but i want to see if a few packages are on there or not
[12:02] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> terran4000: that was what i was going at
[12:02] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> and trust me maki_ at 6 months in
[12:02] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> you are still new.. i am 4 years in
[12:02] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> an still new
[12:02] <maki_> :)
[12:02] <maki_> it develops to fast
[12:02] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> until i can compile from source a stinger missile to launch at my ex gf's house that runs off of open-source rocket fuel... i'll always be new
[12:02] <bud> email is still unencrypted, any ideas?
[12:03] <terran4000> aye ... 5 years here and I still ask plenty of questions about this or that >_>
[12:03] <terran4000> t3hwiz0rd-ibook: lol
[12:03] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> doh! it kernel paniced!
[12:03] <jhutchins> paclages | Gtwy
[12:03] <jhutchins> !packages | Gtwy
[12:03] <ubotu> Gtwy: You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[12:04] <maki_> you have search engine for mozzila
[12:04] <Gtwy> thanks\
[12:04] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> terran4000: you gave it vodka?
[12:05] <terran4000> no .. I drank it. So now I've just kicking it randomly hoping it will work.
[12:05] <terran4000> s/drank it/drank that/
[12:06] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> well if you'll excuse me.. this is one linux nerd who needs a suntan
[12:06] <terran4000> traitor!
[12:07] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> what? i like being pale and all but when i try to hide in the dark im sick of people calling me radioactive boy
[12:07] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> im so white that i radiate darkness! blaah
[12:08] <terran4000> that just means you not using correct monitors!
[12:08] <PhinnFort> adjust your gamma, mkay?
[12:10] <karel-jan> hello
[12:10] <karel-jan> can someone help me with this error? The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem.
[12:10] <wolferine> karel-jan, did you?
[12:11] <karel-jan> does someone know how to fix this,
[12:11] <karel-jan> ?
[12:11] <wolferine> karel-jan, did you?
[12:12] <Yorokobi> karel-jan, have you tried "running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem"?
[12:12] <karel-jan> did I do what wolferine?
[12:12] <karel-jan> yes
[12:12] <chalcedny> i'm back trying to help my husband with his kubuntu box. if this is not the right place, tell me, but what he has now is it froze and won't reboot.
[12:12] <maki> what is usplash
[12:12] <wolferine> karel-jan, if you READ it, it tells you what you need to do


[11:11] <koolhead11> kim0, around?
[11:20] <kim0> koolhead11: hey
[11:20] <kim0> yeah I'm here .. refocusing after uds :)
[11:20] <koolhead11> lol. still not out of the hangover :D
[11:21] <kim0> :D
[11:21] <koolhead11> i got some chocolates and stickers BTW :)
[11:24] <koolhead11> so the announcement has finally come openstack :)
[11:40] <kim0> yeah .. eucalpytus is still cool though .. their v3 looks amazing
[12:43] <koolhead11> kim0, indeed!! :P
[16:16] <Kyle__> After launching vms I have troubles sshing to the head node, does that sound absolutely bonkers to anyone else?
[16:42] <obino> Kyle__: it does seems pretty weird. Have you checked the network configuration you gabe to UEC?
[16:48] <Kyle__> obino: It's abouslyte fine until I launch images.    Is there a way to clear them all out?
[17:00] <obino> Kyle__: please, check the VNET* values you gave to Eucalyptus. From your symptoms it looks like you are in MANGED* mode and that you instructed EUcalyptus to give to the instances a private networks in conflict with your real network
[17:00] <obino> when an instance starts, you then may loose access to some machines
[17:07] <Kyle__> obino: Err.  So I need one IP range for the head node, one for the worker nodes, and a third for the virtual machines?
[17:53] <obino> have you read our network documentation? there are some examples
[17:54] <obino> UEC uses MANAGED-NOVLAN by default
[18:05] <Kyle__> obino: I should go re-read it.  Confusing thing is this worked ok for linux clients.
[18:05] <Kyle__> s/clients/vms/
[18:09] <obino> Kyle__: if you can show your ip addr show, route -n and eucalyptus configuration I may be able to help
[18:09] <obino> I may be leaving soon though
[18:10] <obino> you can send a PM on the eucalyptus forum if you want
[18:10] <obino> id is graziano
[18:15] <Kyle__> OK. Thanks.
[20:11] <mathiaz> smoser: hi!
[20:11] <smoser> hi
[20:12] <mathiaz> smoser: are there are plans to release an updated version of lucid AMI soon?
[20:13] <smoser> mathiaz, its just something that has not had resources devoted to it.
[20:13]  * mathiaz nods
[20:13] <smoser> we should be moving towards getting those updates done in cycle with kernel releases for a stable release.
[20:14] <smoser> but it is just not somethign that has gotten cycles.
[20:19] <Kyle__> In general, is it a mistake to for the head-node to have it's public ip address in the same range as the external ip addresses given to virtual machines?


[01:13] <Riddell>  * ana sings "internet is for pr0n, pr0n, pr0n"
[01:13] <Riddell>  webcollage package added
[01:13] <Riddell> gnomefreak: feel free to merge that from debian's kdeartwork ^^
[01:22] <screemo> Riddell: saw you fixed that menu, sorry for being too slow :)
[01:23] <screemo> time to sleep zz
[04:02] <jjesse> argh
[04:02] <Hobbsee> hey jjesse!
[04:02] <Hobbsee> oh sod
[04:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping
[04:03] <Jucato> Hobbsee: you weren't able to talk to Tonio_?
[04:03] <jjesse> why can't i get vmware server to work on my edgy bo
[04:03] <jjesse> box
[04:04] <Hobbsee> Jucato: no, wasnt here.
[04:04] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i'll have to delay the meeting now anyway - got moderated, due to too many recipients
[04:04] <Hobbsee> if it's not on kubuntu-devel within a short amount of time...people arent going to be able to know
[04:04] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: why the urgency?
[04:04] <Jucato> oh right...
[04:05] <ajmitch> trying to send things out with very little notice?
[04:05] <jjesse> hiya
[04:05] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: ~2 days
[04:05] <ajmitch> hello
[04:05] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: was discussed in here before that
[04:05] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: should be enough time, I guess, even if it is moderated
[04:06] <ajmitch> or you resend the message
[04:06] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: that's when i sent it.
[04:09] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: delay the meeting... what time is it at now?
[04:09] <Jucato> more of, what day :)
[04:10] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: i've got no idea.  depends how long it'll be moderated.
[04:10] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: i'm thinking about that.  if i resend without the extra recipients...it should go through...hrmmm...
[04:12] <Jucato> the mailing list?
[04:12] <ryanakca> ah
[04:13] <jjesse> i'm going to kill this vmware-server install
[04:19] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: mailing list
[04:19] <jjesse> is that a license key from jdong?
[04:19] <Jucato> O.o
[04:26] <Hobbsee> because we're saying "all this stuff is fixed in 3.5.6, upgrade to that"
[04:26] <Hobbsee> instead of backporting any of our fixes
[04:50] <Hobbsee> yuriy: hrm?
[04:52] <yuriy> Hobbsee the kopete/kdenetwork thing. just puzzled me a bit
[04:53] <Hobbsee> yuriy: because i'm going to fix one, and the admin archives will do the other (the removal)
[04:53] <yuriy> oh
[04:58] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:58] <Hobbsee> argh, more kopete bugs to fix
[05:01] <Hobbsee> yuriy: do you have a kdebugs account?
[05:01] <yuriy> Hobbsee: yeah
[05:01] <Hobbsee> yuriy: can you send https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kopete/+bug/65996 upstream please?
[05:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65996 in kopete "Mistakes in kopete strings" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[05:02] <yuriy> Hobbsee: sure. you don't?
[05:02] <Hobbsee> yuriy: i havent.  i'm just fixing it here now
[05:10] <yuriy> heh 3.5.6 isn't listed in kde bts yet
[05:12] <Hobbsee> yuriy: heh.  pity
[05:12] <Hobbsee> the patch was for 3.5.3, but never got sent upstream
[05:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 79457 in kopete "kopete history plugin is enabled but nonfunctional" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[05:12] <Hobbsee> like, where's the config option?
[05:13] <yuriy> hobbsee: what about bug 63533 (kde bug 135287) that's not the same thing right?
[05:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63533 in kopete "Mistake in kopete string" [Unknown,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/63533
[05:13] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 135287 in general "Mistake in kopete string" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135287
[05:14] <yuriy> filed by you : )
[05:14] <Hobbsee> yuriy: er, dunno.  may well have been
[05:14] <Hobbsee> it's not fixed?
[05:15] <yuriy> Hobbsee: it is according to your comment, but the kde bug is not marked fixed
[05:16] <Hobbsee> yuriy: appears to be different.  can you close that from there, or do i have to?
[05:17] <Hobbsee> oh, found it
[05:17] <yuriy> Hobbsee: i think you have to
[05:17] <Hobbsee> yuriy: cool.  report the other one then please :)
[05:20] <yuriy> Hobbsee: kde bug 140873
[05:20] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 140873 in general "kopete incorrectly spells "occurred" as "occured" and "nickname" as "nickanme"" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140873
[05:20] <yuriy> Hobbsee: fix committed?
[05:20] <yuriy> nvm
[05:20] <Hobbsee> yuriy: in ubuntu, yeah.
[05:38] <Hobbsee>   * Add 18_kopete_icq_fix patch: fix connection to icq network introduced by
[05:38] <Hobbsee>     kopete 0.12.3. KDE SVN commit 600778. (Closes: #396391, #396398)
[05:39] <Hobbsee> +++ kdenetwork-3.5.5.new/kopete/protocols/oscar/liboscar/client.cpp     2006-11-01 14:59:30.000000000 +0100
[05:39] <Hobbsee> @@ -340,6 +340,7 @@
[05:41] <Hobbsee> debian 396391
[05:41] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 396391 in kopete "kopete: Cannot login to icq network" [Normal,Closed]  http://bugs.debian.org/396391
[05:47] <Hobbsee> ah, found it
[05:57] <Hobbsee> yuriy: can you report #71665 upstream too please?  i'm feeling lazy
[05:58] <yuriy> heh ok
[05:58] <yuriy> !bug 71665
[05:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71665 in kdenetwork "Problem with kopetex" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71665
[05:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bug 71665 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:01] <yuriy> whoa kde bts just went all crazy negative colors on me
[09:59] <hunger> Good morning!
[10:50] <danimo> Riddell: ping?
[11:45] <screemo> hi there
[11:47] <screemo> Riddell: I've got that shutdown fade patch working, but I was wondering - it is possible to configure delays/black-level, so maybe I should try to incorporate that into kcmstyle (where the rubberband effect is situated)
[12:16] <Riddell> screemo: where are the packages?
[12:19] <screemo> Riddell: I can email you the ksmserver that I have patched
[12:20] <screemo> Riddell: its based on ubuntu4
[12:21] <screemo> Riddell: I've sent you the binary, since the diff arent done yet
[12:21] <screemo> Riddell: I'm looking into changing the logout dialog to mimic that of ubuntu/xubuntu
[12:38] <Riddell> Hobbsee: meeting on wednesday?
[12:40] <Hobbsee> Riddell: has my message been unmoderated yet?
[12:41] <Riddell> Hobbsee: which message?
[12:42] <Hobbsee> Riddell: the one to kubuntu-devel ML
[12:42] <Riddell> why would it be moderated?
[12:43] <Hobbsee> because it was sent to too many recipients
[12:43] <Riddell> there's nothing in the moderation queue
[12:43] <Riddell> oh, yes there is
[12:45] <Hobbsee> heh
[12:46] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what are your thoughts on building a dapper version of 3.5.6, for the pure reason that we're tellingusers to upgrade, instead of backporting fixes back to 3.5.2
[12:46] <Riddell> if someone I trust wants to build it, I'm happy to put it on kubuntu.org
[12:50] <Tonio_> hi
[12:50] <Hobbsee> Riddell: do you trust me?
[12:50] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_
[12:50] <Riddell> Hobbsee: certainly do
[12:50] <Hobbsee> oh wait, i dont have a dapper pbuilder, nor a mirror.
[12:50] <Hobbsee> hrm
[12:51] <Tonio_> hi Hobbsee, Riddell
[12:52] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: there's a meeting on wednesday, 2300 UTC - can you make ti?
[12:52] <Tonio_> yup
[12:52] <Hobbsee> yay :)
[12:58] <screemo> Riddell: I've sent you the source for that shadow fade
[01:00] <freeflying> Riddell: maybe I can build kde-3.5.6 for dapper
[01:01] <Riddell> freeflying: sure, go aheadf
[01:01] <Riddell> s/f//
[01:20] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Good evening. (was sleeping when you poked me about 6 hrs ago)
[01:20] <Hobbsee> hey ScottK :)
[01:21] <Hobbsee> oh, Riddell had put thru a new version of kdenetwork, which hadnt hit the archives when i made my changes.  only when i went to get a sponsor.
[01:21] <Hobbsee> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EasyCodecInstallation is implemented for ubuntu.  cool
[01:22] <Jucato> wow! a 7 AM meeting? thank you Hobbsee :)
[01:22] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Do you need a Dapper box to build 3.5.6?
[01:23] <Hobbsee> ScottK: no.  pbuilder will do.
[01:23] <Hobbsee> ScottK: i was going to ask you to test icq - but hte upload i was going to do never made it
[01:23] <ScottK> OK.  I'd be glad to test it when it does.  I may even have an icq number written down here somewhere....
[01:24] <ScottK> If you need resources/help with Dapper 3.5.6 let me know.
[01:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm about to upload digikam for edgy and prepare an SRU for knetworkmanager, are you okay on that point ?
[01:40] <Riddell> Tonio_: sure
[01:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: just saw you did guidance uesterday, sorry for declining, it wasn't my choice :)
[01:41] <sebas> Tonio_: I just noticed that your merge plans include knetswitch :D
[01:41] <Tonio_> sebas: hu ? should be removed from ubuntu for a while ;)
[01:41] <Tonio_> sebas: where did you get that info ?
[01:41] <sebas> Maybe I should warn you that it's much more a "I need something to do this, so I'll hack two days on it" than "This is maintained and actively developed" thing.
[01:41] <sebas> On your wiki page.
[01:41] <Tonio_> ah ;)
[01:42] <Tonio_> it is completly outdated ;)
[01:42] <sebas> OTOH, I just got a couple of patches from someone who actually uses it, and put up a new version on my website.
[01:42] <sebas> Ok :)
[01:42] <Tonio_> sebas: afaik it is nuked from ubuntu
[01:42] <sebas> (I don't think it's a really useful thing for most users)
[01:42] <sebas> Was it in? :D
[01:42] <Tonio_> sebas: yup, but I got it nuked
[01:43] <Tonio_> sebas: when I included it it was very usefull, since knetworkmanager didn't exist :)
[01:43] <Tonio_> but well I had hard words with upstream who didn't accept that I focussed on knetworkmanager when it got released ;)
[01:43] <Tonio_> not to say he was a bit jalous
[01:44] <sebas> Hehehe. It's something that "just works", which networkmanager doesn't.
[01:44] <sebas> Networkmanager doesn't even support static IPs AFAIK.
[01:45] <sebas> The approach is a bit hacky though, and no way to configure it graphically.
[01:45] <Riddell> it does now (that I added a menu entry to launch knetworkconf)
[01:45] <sebas> And then it needs a script +s, which is, well, urks.
[01:45] <sebas> Ah, cool.
[01:45] <sebas> networkmanager still is a complete mystery to me.
[01:46] <Tonio_> sebas: yeah, the kind of "magic thing" that just works :)
[01:46] <Tonio_>  la Microsoft :)
[01:46] <Tonio_> no way to understand, just use it
[01:46] <Tonio_> except that's not a good thing concerning windows
[01:46] <sebas> Right now, wpa_supplicant decides where I am and sets the wireless card up, netswitch is the thing I use to get a new dhcp lease or static IP.
[01:46] <sebas> I should check it, indeed.
[01:47] <Tonio_> because it is more a magic thing that "sometimes work"
[01:47] <sebas> I'm not arguing that netswitch is any better, it's just the first thing that worked for me after years of mobile networking pain.
[01:47] <Tonio_> sebas: next major version of networkmanager should include tcp/ip settings
[01:47] <Tonio_> good point
[01:47] <Tonio_> but well in my opinion, local IP settings are a totally stupid thing
[01:48] <Tonio_> dhcp and that's it :)
[01:48] <sebas> It's actually the second incarnation, I have some abandoned code the does the probing and decides itself how to connect. (doesn't work with wireless, though).
[01:48] <sebas> Well, for routers that support matching a MAC and then giving the same IP to the device, you don't need static IPs.
[01:49] <sebas> But if I want to fish:// something over to my notebook, and the IP is constantly changing, static IPs are quite useful.
[01:49] <Tonio_> sebas: is there something planned for network settings and kde4 ? kde3 lacks a LOT on that point
[01:49] <ScottK> Static IP on internal networks is a policy issue for some businesses.   The technical merits aren't the issue.
[01:49] <sebas> And most vendor-supplied ADSL / WLAN boxen don't support that MAC-IP matching.
[01:49] <sebas> Tonio_: Dunno.
[01:49] <Tonio_> ScottK: bah dhcp + mac adress to assign a fixed ip
[01:50] <sebas> MIght be something I'll work on once guidance-current bores me.
[01:50] <Tonio_> ScottK: I've never seen a context in which dhcp was impossible to handle...
[01:50] <sebas> Well, I just mentioned the stupid router that don't have that feature...
[01:50] <ScottK> Agree that technically it's doable, but that policy decisions get in the way.
[01:50] <sebas> Or cheap hardware indeed.
[01:50] <Tonio_> ScottK: sure, that's my vision
[01:51] <Tonio_> ScottK: I generally put all the machines of a network with dhcp, including servers and even the dhcp server itself
[01:51] <Tonio_> ScottK: I've never seen anyone complaining
[01:51] <ScottK> When Kubuntu moves into a new organization it needs to work with whatever is there.
[01:51] <ScottK> Sure.
[01:51] <Tonio_> ScottK: the good point is that you also centralize the fixed IP addresses, nobody sees that, but that's very usefull
[01:52] <Tonio_> the only issue with dhcp is that it requires relays (non routable) but appart from that that's nice :)
[01:52] <ScottK> I'm more think about the tech guy at big company X who wants to bring in Kubuntu.  It doesn't help him get us a foot in the door if he has to ask for a special network config.
[01:53] <Tonio_> okay archives are frozen, let's focus on SRUs !!!
[01:53] <Tonio_> ScottK: bah knetworkconf works
[01:53] <Tonio_> ScottK: the only thing that is hard to handle with kubuntu is wireless with wpa and local ip settings
[01:54] <Tonio_> that's a very specific thing
[01:54] <ScottK> From my perspective if you don't support WPA, then you aren't supporting wireless.
[01:54] <Tonio_> especially when wireless is generally very usefull with vpn, that requires dhcp -> knetworkmanager :)
[01:54] <Tonio_> ScottK: bah we do with knetworkmanager, just that it requires dhcp
[01:54] <Tonio_> ScottK: for fixed IP you have to manually configure wpasupplicant
[01:55] <Tonio_> that's the only non-trivial thing
[01:55] <ScottK> Yes.
[01:55] <Tonio_> ScottK: I use wep at home :) not wpa
[01:55] <Tonio_> ScottK: I have a nintendo DS -> needs wep, so if I want to play online... :)
[01:55] <Tonio_> but that's not companies concerns lol
[01:55] <ScottK> It's trivially breakable with the tools most of the script kiddies use these days.
[01:56] <sebas> Tonio_: Well, at google it *is*
[01:56] <ScottK> Better than no encryption, but not by much.
[01:56] <Tonio_> ScottK: as is wpa
[01:56] <sebas> I can imagine that google has game consoles as enterprise equipment
[01:56] <Tonio_> sebas: hehe, true ;)
[01:57] <ScottK> Tonio_: I'd be interested in references on wpa being trivially breakable.
[01:57] <Tonio_> ScottK: that's not trivial, and since the key changes, you have to rehack the network every day, but that's technically possible
[01:57] <Tonio_> wireless IS unsecure
[01:57] <Tonio_> nothing is better than a cable
[01:58] <ScottK> OK.
[01:58] <Tonio_> ScottK: to me the best is :
[01:58] <Tonio_> opened wireless network with vpn access
[01:58] <Tonio_> don't manage security with the wireless
[01:59] <Tonio_> an opened network giving you access to the vpn server only and that's it
[01:59] <Lure> Tonio_: if you can work on my SRU, it would ge great
[02:00] <Lure> Tonio_: bug 75017 needs minor change and discussion with pitti
[02:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 75017 in kubuntu-default-settings "SRU: remove /.hidden file " [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/75017
[02:02] <Lure> Tonio_: and btw, wpa2 (with aes) should be safe afair
[02:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: why did you drop certain build deps when incorporating kopete back into kdenetwork?
[02:03] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I did?
[02:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yes.
[02:04] <Riddell> Hobbsee: what's that?
[02:05] <Hobbsee> as in, which were they?
[02:05] <Riddell> yes
[02:06] <Tonio_> Lure: I'll have a look once mu srus are done
[02:06] <Lure> Tonio_: thanks - if you cannot do it, I will at the evening
[02:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: shouldn't we provide an sru for 3.5.5 including the kwallet patch ?
[02:07] <Hobbsee> Riddell: can you upload http://wedontsleep.org/~sarah/kdenetwork.debdiff please?
[02:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: or backport 3.5.6 including that patch too ?
[02:07] <Riddell> Tonio_: sure
[02:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: the kwallet issue is very important
[02:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: backport is probably the easiest way to get that in in my opinion
[02:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: what do you want in edgy official repos, 3.5.5 or 3.5.6 ?
[02:09] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato1
[02:09] <Riddell> edgy official won't get 3.5.6
[02:09] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I mean, I finally get to see what you look like :P
[02:10] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ahhh.  you found the pictures linked to that?
[02:10] <Jucato> :D
[02:11] <Riddell> Hobbsee: does adding libssl and libjingle not create new files to be installed?
[02:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hrm.  not sure
[02:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what do you mean?
[02:12] <Riddell> Hobbsee: compiling..
[02:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: cool
[02:12] <Riddell> Hobbsee: it might make new plugins that need to be added to kopete.install, (or it might not)
[02:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ahh
[02:13] <Hobbsee> how do i check?
[02:13] <Riddell> debuild && dh_install --list-missing
[02:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: let's go with an sru then
[02:17] <Tonio_> the sru process is hudge, really...
[02:17] <Riddell> I know
[02:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: well it depends on the issue fixed, but when it is just a fixed .install file (like digikam)....... it looks a lot of bureaucracy for a very trivial fix
[02:19] <Riddell> I agree
[02:19] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: indeed.  i suspect a lot of people avoid them as a result
[02:19] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yup, to be honnest I would avoid little fixes due to that...
[02:20] <serzholino> hi. is there any way i can request merge for package in universe?
[02:20] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: the result is probably people going with backports when it's fixed in the devel distro
[02:21] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: haha, better saying "wait for feisty to be out" :)
[02:21] <Hobbsee> yep :P
[02:21] <serzholino> here is it http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/net/sim
[02:21] <Hobbsee> yay, it's the 31st :)
[02:22] <serzholino> debian already has newer version, with important fixes in icq protocol
[02:23] <Hobbsee> !info sim feisty
[02:23] <ubotu> sim: Simple Instant Messenger (KDE). In component universe, is extra. Version 0.9.4-1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 3335 kB, installed size 9304 kB
[02:23] <Tonio_> okay, there is ubuntu specific, so I can upload myself
[02:23] <Tonio_> serzholino: i'll do it
[02:23] <Tonio_> merge with debian and ubuntu changes
[02:23] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: bah.  that's what i was about to say :P
[02:24] <Tonio_> serzholino: I'll upload once the freeze ends
[02:24] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: it's in universe.
[02:24] <serzholino> Tonio_: thanks a lot :)
[02:24] <Hobbsee> http://merges.ubuntu.com/s/sim/ looks like an easy merge
[02:25] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yup
[02:25] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: ah, good universe isn't frozen ?
[02:25] <serzholino> but there was also changes in debian packaging fot it
[02:25] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: not for a knot freeze
[02:25] <Hobbsee> er, a herd freeze
[02:25] <serzholino> now it builds 3 packages
[02:26] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yeah I forgot it :)
[02:26] <serzholino> data, and bilt with kde, and built with qt only
[02:26] <Jucato> !schedule
[02:26] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Feisty Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule
[02:26] <Jucato> darn! feature freeze so near...
[02:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: how does one test this sparkly new dist-upgrader tool?
[02:30] <Riddell> Hobbsee: wait for mvo to merge and upload it
[02:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right.
[02:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: does he move quicker if poked with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  a few times?
[02:30] <Hobbsee> :P
[02:31] <Riddell> Hobbsee: worth asking him if that would help, but I guess it's blocked on herd freeze now
[02:31] <Hobbsee> Riddell: good point.  pity
[02:31] <Hobbsee> Riddell: come to think of it - might be a good tool for this herd, though
[02:33] <Jucato> who can I talk to about System Settings?
[02:34] <Hobbsee> Jucato: people?  Sime
[02:34] <Riddell> Hobbsee: what's up?
[02:35] <Hobbsee> Riddell: the sky.  i was thinking that lots of people would test the dist-upgrader when upgrading to the herd release.  well, doing the updates after the cd.
[02:35] <Hobbsee> nothing major
[02:35] <Jucato> Hobbsee: ok, I hope he's in. I talked to el before about some system settings problems, but I didn't know if I should have filed bug reports for them
[02:36] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ahh.  not sure
[02:55] <Hobbsee> night all
[02:56] <Jucato> night LongPointyStick :)
[02:56] <LongPointyStick> night Jucato
[03:14] <Jucato> does the system settings in feisty have the Panel settings again?
[03:14] <mhb> LongPointyStick: goodnight
[03:15] <LongPointyStick> night mhb
[03:15] <mhb> LongPointyStick: you poked me the other day
[03:15] <mhb> LongPointyStick: right?
[03:15] <LongPointyStick> mhb: indeed.  dont remember what for though.  oh yes, now i do.
[03:15] <LongPointyStick> that proposed ML thing - probably can have stuff added to it now
[03:16] <mhb> LongPointyStick: which proposed ML thing:
[03:16] <mhb> ?
[03:16] <LongPointyStick> mhb: the one for testers
[03:16] <mhb> ah
[03:17] <mhb> LongPointyStick: I'm still not sure what you mean, but it's bedtime for you ... we can solve it later :o)
[03:28] <Tonio_> Lure: your sru is approved, I'll upload to proposed
[03:48] <bddebian> Heya
[04:02] <manchicken> Hello all you happy people.
[04:03] <Jucato> hi manchicken!
[04:03] <manchicken> How goes it?
[04:03] <Jucato> doin fine doin fine... prepping my wiki page :)
[04:15] <bddebian> Heya manchicken, Jucato
[04:16] <manchicken> wuddup?
[04:17] <Jucato> doin fine doin fine... prepping my wiki page :)
[04:17] <manchicken> Jucato: Sweet.
[04:17] <Jucato> oh..  I have a supporter. please be there in the meeting lol :)
[04:20] <nixternal> and I am sure Hobbsee and Riddell will agree after drilling you with the harshest interview imaginable :)
[04:20] <manchicken> w00t!  manchicken FTW!
[04:21] <Jucato> hah! I hope they don't ask me much about technical stuff, or using Launchpad's services...
[04:21] <nixternal> manchicken: NO! the BEARS FTW!
[04:21] <manchicken> w00t!  GO BEARS!
[04:21] <nixternal> Jucato: what have you done? what are your plans with Kubuntu?
[04:21] <Jucato> I couldn't navigate my way through LP if my life depended on it
[04:21] <Jucato> nixternal: writing up my wiki as we speak :)
[04:21] <nixternal> those are the 2 biggies, and if you have some Karma that is always good
[04:22] <nixternal> good deal, I have to go to school :*
[04:22] <nixternal> err, :)
[04:22] <Jucato> lol
[04:25] <nixternal> oh, you are good to go
[04:26] <manchicken> I don't think I have that much karma
[04:26] <manchicken> +732 karma
[04:27] <Jucato> I have that much because of bug triaging, some of which I owe to jdong
[04:27] <Jucato> and his flash mess :)
[04:29] <manchicken> heh
[04:29] <manchicken> I've gotten a lot lately.  I used to have only +1?? something.
[04:30] <manchicken> I wonder if all the screwing around in launchpad did something
[04:30] <Jucato> I thought you'd get more if you did code work and stuff.. I think you should get more for your heroic (martyr?) work on Adept
[04:31] <manchicken> heh
[04:32] <manchicken> Hardly heroic.
[04:32] <manchicken> the tooltip patch I sent out the other day may have performance problems.
[04:32] <manchicken> I'm gonna have to look at it again this weekend.
[04:32] <Jucato> by heroic, I mean "doing something that few people dare or want to do" :P
[04:33] <manchicken> heh
[04:33] <manchicken> It's code.  That's just what I do ^_^
[04:33] <Jucato> heh something I could only dream of doing... for now
[04:34] <manchicken> You can do anything you stubbornly sit down and put your mind to.
[04:35] <Jucato> hm... sit down and put  my mind to...
[04:35] <manchicken> Heh
[04:35] <manchicken> You can code there too.
[04:36] <Jucato> heh :)
[04:36] <Jucato> strangely enough, some of my best ideas come to me when I'm in there :P
[04:36] <Jucato> I should bring a pen and paper inside with me next time...
[04:36] <manchicken> Shower works to.  But don't code there.
[04:36] <manchicken> too*
[04:37] <Jucato> nah... Showers makes my mind go ZzzZzzzz
[04:38] <manchicken> I get a lot of good ideas on the bus.
[04:41] <manchicken> It's not about doing something hard.
[04:41] <manchicken> It's about doing something useful.
[04:41] <manchicken> Regardless of scale.
[04:41] <manchicken> I haven't made any huge leaps and/or bounds on adept either.
[04:41] <Jucato> I consider those relatively huge :)
[04:42] <manchicken> Gosh, I don't.  I haven't changed more than 2 files at a time yet.
[04:42] <manchicken> Most of my work has been done in the same 2 files.
[04:43] <Jucato> :)
[04:51] <Lure> Tonio_: thanks
[04:59] <Tonio_> imbrandon: ping ? I'm still waiting for the ibm account infos :) hehe
[05:15] <manchicken> Tonio_: Got a minute for /msg?
[05:16] <Lure> Riddell: kpowersave is putting even more options in UI: http://dkukawka.blogspot.com/2007/01/kpowersave-outlook-to-072.html
[05:18] <Tonio_> manchicken: guickly but yes :)
[05:35] <stdin> hardware
[05:35] <Jucato> Sime: hi! if you have the time, could you please take a look at these 2 systemsettings issues. I talked to el about them in passing.
[05:35] <Jucato> Sime: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-systemsettings/+bug/74583
[05:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74583 in kde-systemsettings "System Settings in Edgy does not show kdmtheme" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[05:35] <Jucato> Sime: and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-systemsettings/+bug/82285
[05:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82285 in kde-systemsettings "System Settings does not have the Panels settings module" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[05:35] <stdin> opps, that was supposed to be a message to someone :)
[05:35] <Jucato> stdin: :P
[05:55] <TheInfinity> hmm ... when will alpha3 be released?
[05:56] <apokryphos> ubotu: schedule
[05:56] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Feisty Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule
[06:05] <Tonio_> wow, that's an issue
[06:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you notice kcontrol is empty except from that obew thing ?
[06:05] <Tonio_> obex
[06:06] <Riddell> Tonio_: what version of kdebase do you have?
[06:06] <Tonio_> 3.5.6-0ubuntu4
[06:06] <stdin> I have that same issue too, had it since herd 1 install
[06:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, I'll test on a new profile, added to my todo list
[06:07] <Tonio_> I have to leave for a moment, bbl
[06:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: we also have to patch to hide that obex thing in kmenu, that should be kcontrol only thing
[06:08] <Riddell> yes
[06:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: see bug 80444
[06:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 80444 in kdebase "kcontrol is empty" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80444
[06:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll fix this, shouldn't be that complicated
[06:09] <Tonio_> will work on that tomorrow
[06:09] <stdin> it seems fixed now, since 2.5.6
[06:09] <stdin> haven't checked before
[06:09] <stdin> *hadn't
[06:09] <Tonio_> stdin: it is not, I have 3.5.6 and I have the issue
[06:09] <Tonio_> stdin: but that's probably not hard stuff to fix
[06:10] <Riddell> Tonio_: I just did a fresh install of a live CD with kdebase-data 3.5.6-0ubuntu2 on it and that has a broken kcontrol menu, upgrading to 3.5.6-0ubuntu4 fixes it
[06:11] <Riddell> kubuntu-users has gone a bit mad today
[06:12] <stdin> it's always mad on there
[06:12] <stdin> every month or so someone kicks off on something
[06:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: maybe there is something changed in kcontrol that breaks with ~/.kde settings
[06:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll investigate tomorrow, that's on my todo list now :)
[06:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: don't have any $XDG... environment variables set to you?
[06:16] <ScottK> Has anyone else been experiencing memory leaks with guidance-power manager?
[06:16] <Riddell> ScottK: people have been complaining about them yes
[06:16] <Riddell> lure was looking into it but didn't find anything
[06:16] <ScottK> Hmmm
[06:17] <ScottK> In the install I did yesterday it's pretty rapid and continuous.
[06:18] <Riddell> well the recent change has been adding CPU scaling stuff
[06:18] <Riddell> and the idle time detection
[06:18] <Riddell> so those are the candidates
[06:18] <ScottK> In my case it pushed my old Latitude L400 over the edge into swap and makes it almost unusable in short order.
[06:19] <ScottK> On this machine CPU scaling never shows anything at all.
[06:19] <ScottK> Would that tend to implicate it or exhonrate it in your opinion?
[06:20] <ScottK> exhonrate/exhonorate
[06:21] <Riddell> it would suggest so
[06:22] <ScottK> Sorry, did that mean implicate or exhonorate?
[06:23] <Riddell> if there's no cpu scaling on that machine, but you still have memory problems, it exhonorates cpu scaling from the problem and implicates idle detection
[06:23] <ScottK> Thanks
[06:24] <Riddell> hi Lure, what did you try when looking for the guidance memory leak?
[06:24] <Lure> Riddell: using gc module, but it is very hard to see what is on (Qt has plenty of objects) :-*
[06:26] <Lure> Riddell: http://docs.python.org/lib/module-gc.html
[06:26] <Lure> Riddell: problem is that there are 65000 objects allocated in cca 15 minute run of powermanager
[06:26] <Lure> :-(
[06:27] <Riddell> lots of objects then
[06:27] <Lure> Riddell: lots of "variant_level" objects
[06:28] <Lure> Riddell: I am suspecting this could be some left over from Qt/KDE class or something...
[06:31] <ScottK> Lure: Just before you came on I was mentioning that I'm having a lot of trouble with this on an old Latitude L400 I put Feisty on.
[06:31] <Lure> ScottK: what kind of problem?
[06:31] <ScottK> Steadily growing memory usage
[06:32] <Lure> ScottK: ok, that is known bug (even though nobody submitted bug :-(, so I was unaware until yesterday)
[06:32] <Lure> ScottK: I am trying my best, but not much tools for memory leak detection for python
[06:32] <ScottK> The L400 is right on the edge of being in swap normally and this drives it there and makes it almost unusable.
[06:32] <ScottK> OK
[06:32] <Lure> ScottK: and python garbage collection does not make it easier
[06:33] <Lure> ScottK: yep, it adds 1 MB of memory every couple of minutes...
[06:33] <ScottK> That's about right.
[06:33] <ScottK> I do some Python work.  I'd be willing to help solve the problem.
[06:34] <ScottK> Would it be useful for me to at least submit a bug on this?
[06:36] <Lure> ScottK: I will now try binary search on SVN repository to see if this is new bug or was it there with old version or is it there for ages...
[06:36] <ScottK> Sounds good.
[06:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't think soo concerning $XDG, I'll investigate
[06:37] <Lure> ScottK: you can submit the bug, at least we will have something to close
[06:37] <ScottK> OK.  Will do.
[06:41] <ScottK> Lure: FYI, Bug #82313
[06:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82313 in kde-guidance "Guidance-power manager memory growth in Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82313
[06:41] <Lure> ScottK: thanks
[06:42] <ScottK> No problem.  Be glad to help out if I can.
[06:42] <Lure> ScottK: can you confirm that this was not a problem on edgy?
[06:42] <Riddell> ScottK: what are you using to measure memory usage?
[06:43] <ScottK> I was looking at Ksysguard and ps -AF both at different times.
[06:43] <Riddell> I've never heard it reported on edgy, and several people have reported it recently on feisty
[06:44] <Lure> ScottK: you should have noticed it before if it would eat it up to swap level as now on feisty
[06:44] <ScottK> I'd be curious to see what would happen if one installed Herd 2 with Python 2.4 and then updated to the current powermanager without upgrading to Python 2.5
[06:45] <ScottK> Lure: True, but I'm not sure that's the power manager I have installed in Edgy.
[06:45] <ScottK> That's what I want to go check.
[06:45] <Lure> ScottK: good question... it could be python 2.5 related
[06:45] <ScottK> I wish I
[06:45] <ScottK> ...
[06:45] <ScottK> I wish I'd known about this yesterday before I upgraded to Python 2.5...
[06:46] <Riddell> just run it from python 2.4
[06:46] <ScottK> Good point.
[06:47] <Sime> powermanager needs a small modules that 2.4 might not have.
[06:47] <ScottK> Edgy is booting right now.  I'll try that after I switch back to Feisty.
[06:48] <Lure> Riddell: will probably not work as some depends may not be there anymore for 2.4 (dbus...)
[06:48] <Lure> Sime: right xf86misc...
[06:51] <ScottK> OK.  I had guidance-power manager in Edgy, so that question's answered.
[06:52] <ScottK> Perhaps if I rebuilt the Edgy version of guidance-power manager (0.7 IIRC) and run it on Feisty that would tell us something...
[06:56] <Lure> ScottK: I am just testing edgy-time powermanager from svn - will know in couple of minutes
[06:56] <ScottK> OK
[07:00] <Lure> hi allee
[07:00] <allee> hi Lure
[07:04] <Lure> ScottK: edgy version (w/ python 2.5) is either much slower on memory or not leaking at all (around 20 MB)
[07:04] <ScottK> I'd imagine that narrows it down.
[07:05] <ScottK> The build-depends for it certainly end up pulling down a LOT of packages on a new install.
[07:07] <Lure> ScottK: no I got jump to 23 MB :-(
[07:07] <ScottK> Well that still narrows it down then.
[07:10] <Lure> Tonio_: did you upload .hidden sru to -proposed or is this still pending (not seen it on edgy-changes)
[07:24] <Lure> still using couple of megs in 10 minutes (18 -> 23) - 1MB/2 min
[07:25] <Lure> :-( It looks like it would make sense to try edgy
[07:25] <Lure> Any kubuntu edgy laptop user here?
[07:27] <ScottK> Yes.
[07:27] <ScottK> I need to swap hard drives again...
[07:32] <Riddell> bddebian: beastie 80444 should be fixed with kdenetwork -0ubuntu4
[07:32] <bddebian> moi? :-)
[07:32] <ScottK-laptop> Lure: I am here with Edgy laptop
[07:33] <Lure> ScottK-laptop: great - can you watch memory usage with top?
[07:33] <ScottK-laptop> bddebian: He's picking on you because you didn't apply my courier merge yet...
[07:33] <ScottK-laptop> Lure: sure
[07:33] <bddebian> ScottK-laptop: What was the problem with courier anyway?  I don't remember it being a difficult merge when I did it?
[07:34] <Riddell> bddebian: ah no, I wanted bdmurray
[07:34] <bddebian> Ah, I didn't think you loved me anymore.. ;-)
[07:34] <ScottK-laptop> bddebian: lintian whined and cried about all kinds of errors.  That and my inexperience at packaging made for a fun combination.
[07:36] <ScottK-laptop> Lure: So far it's staying right at 20m.  I'll let it run for a while.
[07:36] <Lure> ScottK-laptop: ok, leave it for 10 minutes or so
[07:36] <ScottK-laptop> Will do
[07:43] <screemo> hi there
[07:44] <ScottK-laptop> hey there
[07:44] <screemo> I was wondering, do any of you experience knetworkmanager failing (ie. not picking up default wireless connection) when KDE starts ?
[07:45] <screemo> Mine just loads, and then disappears. If I log out, and in again - it works again.
[07:46] <screemo> thats on feisty
[07:47] <screemo> ScottK-laptop: so you think its a support question ?
[07:47] <ScottK-laptop> Lure: It's been 10 minutes and it's still right on 20m
[07:47] <ScottK-laptop> Yes.
[07:47] <screemo> ScottK-laptop: nope, definitely a bug
[07:47] <ScottK-laptop> Did you file a bug?
[07:47] <screemo> ScottK-laptop: i will
[07:49] <ScottK-laptop> Lure: I think it's safe to say that the memory leak is not in Edgy.
[07:51] <Lure> ScottK: thanks...
[07:51] <ScottK> No problem.  Let me know if I can do anything else to help.
[07:51] <Lure> ScottK: then it is probably PyQt or PyKDE
[07:51] <screemo> he left
[07:51] <screemo> sorry wrong channel
[07:52] <Lure> Riddell: should we rebuild PyQt/PyKDE now with python 2.5 in?
[07:53] <Riddell> Lure: in feisty?  don't they already use 2.5?
[07:53] <Lure> ScottK: did you notice this bug recently?
[07:53] <Lure> Riddell: we do, but I was thinking if any rebuild would be required with 2.5
[07:54] <Lure> Riddell: last upload of PyQt was when python 2.4 was there
[07:54] <Lure> ScottK: I am thinking if this was introduced inbetween the releases.
[07:55] <ScottK> I just set up my Feisty drive yesterday.
[07:56] <screemo> I got a feisty on vmware if you need any help
[08:46] <Sime> any had experiance with KMail + IMAP?
[08:47] <Sime> ^ anyone
[08:47] <ScottK> Brief and unpleasant.
[08:48] <apokryphos> mailody's meant to be quite good
[08:49] <Sime> toma was telling me how (not) well kmail works with IMAP...
[08:50] <Tonio_> Sime: that kind ? http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140660
[08:50] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 140660 in general "kmail crash when I make a CTRL + J in inbox" [Grave,Resolved: fixed]
[08:51] <Tonio_> Sime: that happened to me today, I lost about 300 emails
[08:51] <goldenear> I still have a bug with duplicated email from emap when using bogofilter in kmail :(
[08:52] <goldenear> I've noticed that yesterday when I switch bogofilter on again
[08:52] <Sime> I use POP3 + Kmail now, but I might switch to IMAP + THunderbird.
[08:52] <Sime> I want to have emai on 2 machines.
[08:53] <allee> Lure: fyi: after 45 min guidance-p-m has identical memory usage: 55228  20m  12m  (edgy laptop Dell D600)
[08:54] <Lure> allee: thanks
[08:54] <Lure> allee: just confirmed on feisty herd2 that there is no memory leak (after 35 minutes)
[08:54] <Lure> allee, ScottK, Riddell: so it it herd2/herd3 delta (python 2.5, powermanager or something else)
[08:55] <ScottK> If so, it probably affects other stuff too, but no one notices.
[08:56] <Lure> ScottK: when did you first noticed this bug?
[08:56] <ScottK> When I set up my first Feisty box yesterday.
[08:57] <ScottK> I installed from Herd 2 and then immediately upgraded everything.
[08:57] <Lure> we had python-dbus problem in last week (powermanager failed on startup) do to python-dbus upgrade
[08:57] <Lure> it may be python-dbus 0.80 related
[08:57] <Lure> Riddell: when did you get first complaints about memory leak?
[08:58] <Lure> I first heard about the problem yesterday (fdoving, mhb)
[09:00] <Lure> fdoving, mhb: around? when did you notice powermanager memory leak?
[09:22] <goldenear> about kmail : is there a function to delete all mails marked as spam in a folder ?
[09:25] <fdoving> Lure: i noticed it yesteday, because my laptop started to use swap for everything. slowness.
[09:25] <fdoving> told you as soon as i noticed.
[09:25] <Lure> fdoving: ok, so it might be python-dbus 0.80 related...
[09:25] <fdoving> might be.
[09:26] <fdoving> i've got 14 days of uptime today.
[09:26] <Lure> fdoving: will try to downgrade
[09:26] <Lure> Riddell, Tonio_: I applied for MOTU if you are around (TB meeting going on ;-)
[09:46] <Jucato> manchicken: hehe I see you've applied :)
[09:46] <manchicken> Yup.
[09:46] <manchicken> This is weird.
[09:46] <manchicken> Before it said my karma was like +700 something.
[09:46] <manchicken> Now it says +68
[09:46] <Jucato> O.o
[09:46] <Jucato> what's your luanchpad page?
[09:47] <manchicken> https://launchpad.net/~manchicken
[09:47] <Lure> manchicken: they change this often ;-)
[09:47] <Lure> manchicken: mine went from 1.2mio to 5812
[09:47] <Jucato> heh :)
[09:47] <Lure> manchicken: do not bother about karma
[09:47] <manchicken> Ah.
[09:47] <manchicken> I wasn't sure it mattered or not.
[09:48] <Jucato> lol
[09:48] <Jucato> speaking of which, my 79,000+ became 538 just now :)
[09:49] <fdoving> ouch, i was just about to find something to do to get 4mill.
[09:50] <Jucato> heheh
[09:50] <fdoving> better go do something else then.
[09:50] <fdoving> 33360 doesn't look that cool. :)
[09:50] <fdoving> bye.
[10:04] <Lure> Hobbsee: too late ;-)
[10:05] <Hobbsee> Lure: you were going for MOTU?  did you tell me, and i forgot, or did you not tell me?
[10:05] <Lure> Hobbsee: I applied on meeting itself, so it was hard to get testemonials
[10:05] <Lure> Hobbsee: I applied as I alwasy foget to apply ;-)
[10:05] <Hobbsee> Lure: ahh...happy to testify, if htey bring it up later
[10:06] <Lure> Hobbsee: will be the first one to try new council process
[10:06] <Lure> Hobbsee: even better ;-)
[10:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: did you not have time to look at kdenetwork, or did you not have time to upload it?  or has soyuz eaten it?
[10:30] <DaSkreech> Whats the nature of the meeting today?
[10:32] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: which one?
[10:32] <DaSkreech> Technical Board meeting
[10:33] <Jucato> Hobbsee: do you think this is good enough? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Jucato
[10:40] <Lure> Hobbsee: main is frozen - maybe that is the reason you do not see it
[10:41] <Hobbsee> Lure: mithrandir said it was fine as long as Riddell thought it was
[10:41] <Hobbsee> Lure: and when i first found a sponsor for it, main wasnt frozen
[10:41] <Hobbsee> (riddell had uploaded another version that hadnt actually been propogated when i grabbed the source - i had to go to work, then fix it when i came home
[10:41] <Lure> Hobbsee: ok, then it is Riddell for blame ;-)
[10:47] <Tm_T> Hrr, in 9 hours I should be in FLUG booth speaking glory of Linux :p
[10:50] <Tm_T> Hm, have to take this MS-DOS 5.0 User Guide and Reference with me I think.
[10:50] <Jucato> ...
[10:50] <Jucato> what does the F stand for?
[10:51] <Tm_T> Finnish
[10:51] <Jucato> oooh
[10:51] <Jucato> Start :)
[10:51] <Tm_T> Start?
[10:51] <Jucato> Tm_T: Start to Finnish :P
[10:51] <Jucato> Tm_T: sir, may I PM you?
[10:52] <claydoh> kde 3.5.6 packages are in edgy-updates? are these packages compatible with those on Kubuntu.org?
[10:52] <Tm_T> If you're selling something, then no.
[10:52] <Tm_T> ;)
[10:52] <Tm_T> Sure.
[10:52] <Jucato> hi claydoh
[10:52] <Jucato> claydoh: heh saw that too?
[10:52] <claydoh> hello Jucato
[10:52] <Hobbsee> claydoh: they wouldnt be in edgy updates.  will you be at the meeting tonight?
[10:52] <claydoh> maybe, it is may be hard to make it on time
[10:53] <Jucato> claydoh: can you ask the OP to do an apt-cache policy on the package that he says is being updated from edgy-updates? it might be from kubuntu.org
[10:53] <claydoh> there are 3.5.6 packages in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[10:53] <Jucato> Tm_T: heh I'll PM later :P
[10:53] <Hobbsee> claydoh: feisty ones, by any chance?
[10:54] <Tm_T> Jucato: Make it quick, will be sleeping in few hours. ;)
[10:54] <Hobbsee> claydoh: :)
[10:56] <claydoh> better me than the pointy stick :)
[10:56] <Hobbsee> hehe, awww
[10:56] <Hobbsee> claydoh: nah, i'll use that in hte meeting.  :D
[10:56] <Jucato> hah :)
[10:56] <claydoh> my wife has her own anyway
[10:57] <Jucato> Hobbsee: does my wiki look ok? are you sure you people don't bite applicants?
[10:57] <Hobbsee> Jucato: only glanced, sorry.  following 2 meetings at once isnt easy
[10:58] <Jucato> Hobbsee: ah ok.. TB and ops right?
[10:58] <Hobbsee> yeah
[10:58] <Jucato> sorry... later then
[10:58] <DaSkreech> whats the TB meeting about?
[10:59] <DaSkreech> They are making a new group of .. somethings?
[10:59] <Hobbsee> MOTU council, among other things
[11:00] <Jucato> Greyskull...
[11:01] <ScottK> Heya Hobsee.
[11:01] <ScottK> Can you use the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM on power-manager?
[11:02] <ScottK> The new one is out of control somehow - Bug #82313
[11:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82313 in kde-guidance "Guidance-power manager memory growth in Feisty" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82313
[11:04] <claydoh> hmmm 23;00 utc = 18:00 EST (6 PM) might be there for a bit of it
[11:04] <Hobbsee> ScottK: nick completion is your friend.
[11:04] <ajmitch> Hobsse: hm?
[11:05] <Hobbsee> ScottK: adri2000 got MOTU?
[11:05] <ScottK> That's my understanding.
[11:05] <Hobbsee> ah
[11:05] <ScottK> I was on a long telcon with a client and am just catching up on scrollback, so I may have misread something.
[11:06] <Hobbsee> heh
[11:06] <ScottK> ajmitch: Reviewing my package?
[11:06] <ajmitch> nope
[11:06] <ScottK> I was afraid of that.
[11:06] <ScottK> oh well...
[11:06] <ajmitch> beating my head against php code
[11:07] <Hobbsee> ScottK: Lure's looking at it
[11:07] <ScottK> Cool
[11:07] <ScottK> He and I talked earlier.
[11:07] <Lure> ScottK: yep, I am downgrading python-dbus currently
[11:07] <ScottK> ajmitch: Isn't that kind of redundant.
[11:07] <ajmitch> ScottK: sadly
[11:07] <ScottK> Sounds fun.
[11:08] <ScottK> It's snowing hard here and the eldest is waiting, so I probably better really go pick her up from school now...
[11:08] <ScottK> bye for now.
[11:12] <Jucato> claydoh: what timezone are you in again?
[11:12] <claydoh> US Eastern
[11:12] <claydoh> -5
[11:12] <Jucato> ok. thanks
[11:13] <Hobbsee> hrm
[11:13] <Jucato> claydoh: I may get in touch of you one of these days. you a bit free to work on KFN? have you been in touch with Open Source?
[11:14] <claydoh> I post a fair bit, not in direct contact with OS, but he's usually available if he isn't away
[11:14] <claydoh> I have some time here and there
[11:14] <Jucato> heh problem is, when is he not away... :)
[11:15] <claydoh> the military does that :)
[11:15] <Jucato> phooey :P
[11:16] <claydoh> cool, anyway . feel free to contact me :0
[11:17] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I had a problem with kdenetwork, it didn't compile properly, probably just my machine being funny
[11:17] <Jucato> claydoh: don't worry, I will heheh :)
[11:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hrm, okay.
[11:17] <claydoh> you know where to find me :)
[11:25] <Lure> ScottK: yep, it is python-dbus 0.80!!!
[11:25] <ScottK> OK.  Now what?
[11:25] <Lure> ScottK: I will contact upstream to see if they have any explaination
[11:25] <ScottK> OK.
[11:26] <Lure> ScottK: it might be that we are doing something wrong and it did not trigger it before, or there is a bug in python-dbus
[11:26] <ScottK> Let me know if I can help out with something.
[11:28] <Lure> ScottK: python-dbus 0.80 was named "Everything changes" release ;-)
[11:28] <Lure> ScottK: http://www.j5live.com/?cat=14
[11:28] <ScottK> That doesn't sound good.
[11:30] <ScottK> At the very least we perhaps ought to jump from The Everything changes release (0.80.0 to 0.80.0 the oops release...
[11:30] <ScottK> The second 0.80.0 should be 0.80.1
[11:33] <Hobbsee> ScottK: main's frozen now
[11:33] <ScottK> Maybe somebody will make a Feisty package for 0.80.1 and we can test it until main unfreezes?
[11:33] <Jucato> Hobbsee: one of you meetings is over :P
[11:34] <Hobbsee> yep
[11:34] <Hobbsee> actually, both are
[11:34] <Jucato> hehe ;)
[11:36] <Riddell> Hobbsee: got it working now, uploading..
[11:36] <Hobbsee> Riddell: cool, thanks :)
[11:36] <Hobbsee> Riddell: want me to poke mithrandir to accept it, or will you?
[11:38] <Hobbsee> http://buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/printable.asp.html
[11:38] <Hobbsee> yay, big proposed timetable...
[11:39] <Jucato> asp... hm...
[11:40] <Jucato> monday is as bad as tuesday :P
[11:40] <Hobbsee> ScottK: me neither!
[11:40] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yeah, true that.
[11:40] <Riddell> Hobbsee: wait 10 minutes then politely poke him
[11:40] <Hobbsee> Jucato: pity i cant change it - 29 hours takes ages
[11:40] <ScottK> I had a 0800 class first semester of my first year of college.  Never again.
[11:40] <Hobbsee> Riddell: of course :)
[11:40] <Jucato> O.O
[11:40] <Hobbsee> Riddell: do you think i go around poking everyone with my pointy stick?  sheesh!
[11:40] <Hobbsee> :)
[11:44] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I just did the unimaginable... I added my name to the list O.O
[11:46] <Hobbsee> Jucato: woot!
[11:46] <Jucato> heh :)
[11:47] <Jucato> do I need to prepare something to introduce myself in the meeting or will the wiki be enough?
[11:48] <Hobbsee> yeah.  3 liner.
[11:49] <Hobbsee> said i'd been hacking kaffeine all night, so i hadnt had time.
[11:49] <Lure> ScottK: we have 0.80.1
[11:49] <Jucato> heh not going for that yet... someday maybe
[11:49] <ajmitch> since there were only about 3 or 4 of us
[11:50] <ScottK> Lure: Thanks.  Misread the version number...
[11:50] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: lucky :P
[11:50] <ajmitch> hard to believe it's been that long now
[11:50] <Hobbsee> you're just getting old, ajmitch
[11:51] <ajmitch> true
[11:51] <ajmitch> so are you :P
[11:51] <Hobbsee> heh
[11:52] <Lure> ajmitch: never tell this to woman
[11:52] <Lure> ;-)
[11:52] <ajmitch> it's alright, I've met Hobbsee ;)
[11:52] <ajmitch> she's harmless
[11:52] <Hobbsee> hha
[11:52] <Hobbsee> hah
[11:52] <Hobbsee> sure about that?
[11:53] <ajmitch> yep
[11:53] <ajmitch> all talk ;)
[11:53] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Did you see my additions to the Meeting page?
[11:53] <Hobbsee> manchicken: havent looked yet, sorry.
[11:53] <manchicken> That's cool ^_^
[11:53] <Hobbsee> argh, why's the agenda not in the meeting?
[11:53] <Jucato> Hobbsee: what he wanted to say was that he's also applying :)
[11:53] <Hobbsee> ahh :)
[11:54] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: no.
[11:54] <ajmitch> darn
[11:54] <manchicken> w00t!  Jucato!
[11:54] <manchicken> Ooh, I should link my wiki like Jucato did.
[11:54] <Jucato> manchicken: you should :P
[11:55] <Riddell> Lure: you never said you were going for MOTU!
[11:55] <Lure> Riddell: I know ;-)
[11:55] <Lure> Riddell: I always forget to plan this, so I applied when I have seen TB was there ;-)
[11:56] <Lure> Riddell: now I will be able to play guinea pig for MUTU council ;-)
[11:56] <Lure> s/MUTU/MOTU/
[11:57] <ajmitch> lucky you
[11:57] <manchicken> There we go.  Wiki is linked.
[11:57] <Hobbsee> woo :)
[11:57] <Hobbsee> ash211: going for membership on wednesday?
[11:57] <Hobbsee> manchicken: do you have the URL for the meeting agenda handy?
[11:57] <manchicken> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings
[11:58] <ash211> Hobbsee: I'd like to, but I'm busy when it starts
[11:58] <ash211> how long will the meeting last?
[11:58] <Hobbsee> ash211: dunno.
[11:58] <Hobbsee> depends how many memberships
[11:58] <Hobbsee> manchicken: thanks
[11:58] <manchicken> np
[11:58] <manchicken> ^_^
[11:59] <ash211> i'll be back about an hour after it starts
[11:59] <ash211> If I get back in time, I'll try
[11:59] <Hobbsee> ash211: will probably be going then :)
[11:59] <ash211> should I prepare anything to get ready?
[11:59] <Hobbsee> ash211: see the agenda :)
[11:59] <ash211> ah, I see the wikipage now
[12:00] <Hobbsee> night Lure!
[12:00] <Jucato> g'night Lure!
[12:06] <ash211> was there a big cut in karma recently?
[12:06] <ash211> I've lost about 90% of what I had on launchpad :(
[12:07] <Jucato> ditto
[12:09] <ash211> Jucato: https://help.launchpad.net/KarmaAdjustmentsJan07
[12:12] <Jucato> ash211: thanks :)
[12:13] <Jucato> heh no wonder... so this is my *real* karma... not that big after all :P
[12:13] <ash211> mine's nowhere near where it was either
[12:13] <ash211> oh well, it's just a number :)