[17:09] <harmw> smoser: you have a link to 12.04 cloud image for me?
[17:12] <harmw> found it: https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/precise/release/ubuntu-12.04-server-cloudimg-amd64-disk1.img
[17:13] <smoser> :)
[17:14] <harmw> hm, will glance convert that to raw on the fly in icehouse?
[17:14] <smoser> "on the fly"
[17:14] <harmw> (raw, because of my ceph backend)
[17:14] <smoser> before running, yes.
[17:14] <smoser> hm.. dont know about that. but i'd hope so.
[17:15] <harmw> hm hm, oh well I could just download and convert myself :p
[17:15] <JayF> I can tell you that ironic-python-agent deploys images using qemu-convert to convert them to raw, so anything qemu-convert supports i supported in ipa
[17:15] <JayF> I have no idea how it works for real clouds :P
[17:18] <harmw> :p
[17:18] <harmw> ill just qemu-img <bla> myself
[17:56] <harmw> hm, 128M is apparently not enough for ubuntu :p
[22:52] <harlowja_> JayF u have some time to answer some questions i'm wondering about ironic, since i think u do stuff there
[22:59] <JayF> harlowja_: fwiw I have less insight into the local state stuff b/c we run IPA driver (patched extensively) with our own dhcp.. so our conductors don't keep much local state at all :)
[23:00] <harlowja_> ya, any local state not gonna surive a conductor crap-the-bucket
[23:00] <harlowja_> *survive
[23:00] <harlowja_> and knowing ops people they will probably resort to killing crap sometimes when shit hits the fan, lol
[23:05] <harlowja_> JayF trying to see if taskflow can help, at least in some part :-P
[23:06] <harlowja_> since it can persist the local state and transition between 'tasks' (not in the ironic terms) while doing this persistence and stuff
[23:07] <JayF> I don't know what taskflow is right off
[23:07] <JayF> and you should tell russell that :P
[23:07] <harlowja_> sure sure
[23:13] <harlowja_> JayF so u know http://docs.openstack.org/developer/taskflow/ :-P
[23:13] <harlowja_> haha
[23:14] <harlowja_> lots of read if u care/have time, ha
[23:14] <JayF> the problem is
[23:14] <JayF> I love reading things
[23:14] <JayF> and care
[23:15] <harlowja_> guess u just need the time part, ha
[23:15] <harlowja_> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TaskFlow#Summary (the basic idea i guess)
[23:15] <JayF> well when I get distracted by shiny things
[23:16] <JayF> usually the shiny thing is an interesting and long wiki page
[23:16] <harlowja_> ^ long wiki page provided, ha


[06:11] <dlPhreak> Good morning
[06:48] <barrydk> Good mornings everyone
[06:52] <inetpro> good morning barrydk
[06:52] <inetpro> oh and hi dlPhreak
[06:53] <inetpro> and everyone else as well
[07:00] <superfly> good evening everyone
[09:05] <mazal> Mornings
[16:42] <kulelu88> yo gremble_ , Kilos- and co
[16:45] <kulelu88> Maaz: Hoe gaan dit?
[16:45] <Maaz> Baie goed dankie kulelu88  Werk net hard met julle wat pla die hele tyd
[16:45] <kulelu88> Maaz: wat maak jy?
[16:45] <Maaz> kulelu88: Huh?
[16:45] <kulelu88> Maaz: wat doen jy?
[16:45] <Maaz> kulelu88: Huh?
[17:13] <Kilos-> hi kulelu88  and others
[19:08] <inetpro> ai!
[19:08] <inetpro> loadshedding...
[19:13] <MaNI> has it started?
[19:14] <inetpro> lights just went out at 21:00 here
[19:15] <inetpro> I see eskom talking about it on twitter earlier today already
[19:16] <inetpro> @Eskom_SA #PowerAlert: Eskom regrets to announce Stage 1 #load_shedding to be implemented from 19:00 to 22:00 today due to loss of generating units.
[19:16] <inetpro> https://twitter.com/Eskom_SA/status/643468852970586112
[19:17] <inetpro> and looks like city of Tshwane is a bit confused with their schedules
[19:18] <MaNI> heh :(
[19:28] <inetpro> and there was light again
[19:33] <superfly> wee! I just bought some music for the wife online, downloaded it, scp'ed it to her machine, then cleared her playlist and added the new album to her playlist, all without leaving my PC :-D
[19:34] <superfly> I <3 GNU/Linux/bash/X11/KDE/Kwin/Plasma/Amarok/VLC/...
[19:35] <superfly> (just doing what RMS told me... crediting people where it's due, y'know)
[19:35] <superfly> ohi gremble
[19:38] <gremble> Hey superfly
[19:38] <gremble> Hey kulelu88
[19:38] <superfly> sup
[19:38] <gremble> Sec, I think I'm here twice
[19:39] <gremble> I should get a bouncer
[19:39] <gremble> How are you guys?
[19:40] <superfly> tired, but OK
[19:40] <superfly> gremble: [21:33:26] <superfly> wee! I just bought some music for the wife online, downloaded it, scp'ed it to her machine, then cleared her playlist and added the new album to her playlist, all without leaving my PC :-D
[19:41] <gremble> That's beautiful
[19:41] <gremble> I still have to go buy a case and/or another HDD so I can listen to music again
[19:41] <inetpro> wb gremble
[19:41] <gremble> Hey inetpro
[19:41] <inetpro> superfly: nice job!
[19:41] <inetpro> superfly: what music did you buy?
[19:42] <superfly> inetpro: latest Rend Collective album
[19:44] <gremble> What is the difference between rsync and scp?
[19:44] <kulelu88> wanneer is dit gremble se wedding?
[19:44] <inetpro> interesting
[19:45] <gremble> kulelu88: Never, if I can help it
[19:45] <inetpro> gremble: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/20244585/how-does-scp-differ-from-rsync
[19:47] <gremble> Ah
[19:47] <gremble> Last time I had to network copy over SSH I couldn't get it to work properly (I can't remember exactly what I tried) but rsync worked instead
[19:47] <inetpro> gremble: if you have to copy a large number of files, or have large files, rsync over ssh will be much faster than scp
[19:48] <inetpro> as strange as that may sound
[19:49] <inetpro> rsync is very nice to keep systems in sync
[19:49] <inetpro> and only copy what has changed
[19:49] <gremble> I try to use only rsync repos for my arch istall
[19:49] <gremble> install*
[19:49] <gremble> Faster than the http repos
[19:53] <kulelu88> arch D:
[19:54] <gremble> Hush
[19:56] <superfly> Because everyone needs a dictator.
[19:59] <gremble> When ever I read dictator, I immediately turn into a giggling twelve year old and imagine a penis shaped potato
[20:01] <kulelu88> that is a joke only internet people would 'understand'
[20:02] <gremble> Or anyone that calls a potato a tater
[20:02] <gremble> Which I think is an american thing
[20:02]  * superfly is 16, not 12, so does not succumb to such "humour"
[20:05] <gremble> puh-shaw. You know that you want to
[20:11] <gremble> I am going to do the sleep thing
[20:11] <gremble> Good night guys


[00:00] <medberry> but you could run dnsmasq or something like that on a subnet or nat at home. I think if you really are intending to host an apache at home that has some actual utilization, you probably want to review your goals, your TOS, and your investment (time, energy, power, equipment, etc.)
[00:00] <medberry> putting ubuntu up on one of the host providers or up on one of the cloud providers looks more and more attractive if you actually have any usage.
[00:32] <atruno> can anyone recommend a domain registrar that is better than godaddy.com ?
[00:34] <EvilResistance> atruno:  define "better"
[00:39] <atruno> EvilResistance, thats relative i'm open to any suggestions
[00:39] <EvilResistance> atruno:  well you need to have a definiton of better in order to get an answer
[00:39] <EvilResistance> fwiw, i use 1and1 for domain registration
[00:40] <EvilResistance> but then dump DNS into zoneedit
[00:40] <atruno> thank you
[00:40] <EvilResistance> atruno:  1and1 has horrid DNS so you'd need third party or your own hosted
[00:40] <EvilResistance> atruno:  there's tons of other registrats out there, google for "domain registrar comparison"
[00:41] <twb> It seems silly to use your restrar for DNS (or any other) hosting
[01:38] <SpamapS> twb: its so easy to use the registrar for DNS at this point.. for anything "not serious" .. way easier than setting up two of your own servers :P
[01:39] <twb> Grmph
[01:39] <twb> I'd rather handball the DNS to zoneedit than a registrar
[02:36] <twb> OK so I have a lucid server that runs a big bag of streamripper processes, currently started up via a really horrible perl script invoked by a really horrible sysvinit job.
[02:36] <twb> the config file looks like this: http://paste.debian.net/144034/ (first field is the port to listen on)
[02:36] <twb> I'm thinking this should really be an upstart job that has multiple instances
[02:49] <Matrix3000_> http://screencast.com/t/boan8xWx6o
[02:49] <Matrix3000_> i love it
[02:49] <Matrix3000_> apt has supercow powers
[02:50] <twb> Matrix3000_: "apt-get moo"
[02:51] <Matrix3000_> ha that's awesome
[02:51] <Matrix3000_> that's a awesome easter egg
[02:51] <Matrix3000_> any others?
[02:55] <twb> Matrix3000_: in Excel there is a flight sim
[04:53] <c_heathcott> Hello.  I'm running a fresh install of 11.10 and running into issues with kvm/libvirt and bridged networking.  I've been referring to the KVM page in the community docs, and right now I've got the bridge interface setup on the host and I can ping to and from the host on my LAN.
[04:53] <c_heathcott> I've assigned the bridge interface to the VM guests, and assigned static IPs on the same subnet within each guest, but I still can't ping to or from any of the guests.
[04:53] <c_heathcott> Is it necessary to setup IP aliases in the host interfaces configuration, or should I simply be able to assign static IPs within each guest?  I've seen postings on the forums that seemed to indicate the latter although the community docs page goes through the steps of the former.
[05:29] <jehoshua02> I'm having a mounting problem with an entry in my /etc/fstab file.
[05:31] <jehoshua02> ... actually, I think the vbox share name is wrong ...
[05:31] <jehoshua02> ... so not an ubuntu question.
[06:14] <TheDigitalNinja> in a pam config file  if i want to set pam_mysql.so to use a non startard port  do i do host = hostname:port   or host = hostname port = port  ?
[06:16] <skypent> Hey there, anyone know of good programs to install on a server that can tell me the IPs or users currently accessing the system?
[06:20] <TheDigitalNinja> skypent: netstat -a should do the trick
[06:21] <skypent> TheDigitalNinja : Thanks.
[07:37] <jetole> Does anyone know an application that can monitor HTTP response times and create some pretty web graphs aside from smokeping?
[07:38] <twb> Is "pretty graphs" a hard requirement?
[07:39] <jetole> I'm partial to RRD but I guess no, it's not a requirement
[07:39] <jetole> the data is more important then the graph
[07:39] <SpamapS> apachepong anyone?
[07:39] <twb> SpamapS: it sure does
[07:40] <jetole> heh. lol
[07:40] <jetole> well in this case, the majority of the http servers are IIS but apache pong is cute
[07:42] <jetole> I like the smoke ping style and while the "smoke" concept of send multi pings to record difference between median, high and low is useful I want to limit to send only one ping per check but smoke ping doesn't support less then 3
[07:43] <twb> FWIW I have collectd look at the detailed server_status page, which is not the same thing
[07:44] <twb> jetole: re median -- less than 20 or so is generally not statistically sound, let alone one :P
[07:44] <jetole> I'll have to google collectd. I know of it but been years since I read up on it and lack of a photographic memory and all
[07:44] <twb> It's a generic snarfers -> rrds solution, usually coupled with a separate rrds -> pretty graphs
[07:45] <jetole> twb: depends on the context of the check and the perspective of the observation, for example if I send one check every minute then very narrow jumps arern't much of a concern but I can watch steady rise and fall and notice sudden jumps when they are maintained long enough
[07:46] <SpamapS> If you want resolution under 1 minute.. you should be tailing logs or sniffing traffic, not probing from outside.
[07:47] <jetole> well I didn't say _under_ one minute but yeah I see your point
[07:56] <jetole> oh now this is cool to watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s98-5rZIVyk&feature=related
[07:59] <jetole> I never realized software development could be this entertaining from this perspective
[08:02] <twb> When I am pair programming/sysadminning, I usually finish every sentence with "quick!  Quick!  Type faster!"
[08:02] <twb> "Not that left your other left!"
[08:02] <twb> Really keep them on their toes
[08:03] <jetole> heh. Well thank god we got admins to deal with the -l users. I'm an engineer and my work is typically around the data center
[08:04] <jetole> I guess if I had typed that faster he would have seen it before he quit :-(
[08:47] <jehoshua02> Does anybody understand how to use the fmask option in the mount command? I'm using 027, hoping for "-rwxr-----". Any reason why I would get "-rw-r-----" instead?
[10:48] <plm> Hi all
[10:48] <plm> people, where aI see list of packages of ubuntu 11.10?
[10:50] <lynxman> morning o/
[10:53] <plm> what is postgresql version in ubuntu 11.10?
[10:55] <lynxman> plm: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/postgresql-8.4
[10:58] <plm> lynxman: that is about “postgresql-8.4” package in Ubuntu
[10:59] <plm> lynxman:  I would like know where I see a list of pacakges in ubuntu 11.10. I think are there some place where I can see all packages and version of pacakges contents in ubuntu 11.10 right?
[11:00] <lynxman> plm: I guess so, can't remember form the top of my head though :/
[11:00] <plm> anyone? google not tell me :-)
[11:00] <plm> *told
[11:02] <jamespage> plm: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[11:08] <plm> jamespage: thanks
[11:08] <jamespage> np
[11:29] <Daviey> lynxman: can you follow up on bug 874981, please? :)
[11:31] <Daviey> jamespage: is libcommons-dbcp-java merge on your radar?
[11:32] <jamespage> Daviey: I took a look - see comment - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+localpackagediffs?field.name_filter=libcommons-dbcp-java&field.package_type=non-ignored&field.package_type-empty-marker=1
[11:32] <lynxman> Daviey: I reported on it on the server meeting yesterday :)
[11:32] <lynxman> Daviey: and got some extra news
[11:33] <Daviey> lynxman: ok, thanks - i'll catch up on that
[11:33] <lynxman> Daviey: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-11-08-16.09.moin.txt
[11:34] <Daviey> NCommander: are you planning to attack ipmitool?
[11:36] <Daviey> adam_g: facter merge on your shoulders?
[11:40] <eagles0513875|2> hey guys i have a very nasty issue
[11:41] <eagles0513875|2> apt-cache policy is showing i have libcupsys2-dev installed yet its showing there is no installation candidate and that its not installed yet it is installed on my system and there is an install candidate available
[11:50] <ikonia> eagles0513875|2: confirm if the package is installed yes/no before deciding how to proceed
[11:51] <eagles0513875|2> apt-cache policy is showing installed and candidate as none
[11:51] <eagles0513875|2> yet when i do apt-get install libcupsys2-dev it tells me that its already installed
[11:52] <ikonia> eagles0513875|2: apt-cache is not showing what's installed
[11:52] <ikonia> confirm if the package manager believes it's installed or not
[11:52] <eagles0513875|2> that the libcupsys2-dev package is installed
[11:52] <eagles0513875|2> and also its not showing a candidate package that can be installed
[11:52] <ikonia> eagles0513875|2: ok, how did you verify that
[11:52] <eagles0513875|2> with apt-cache policy
[11:53] <ikonia> apt-cache policy does not list what's installed
[11:53] <ikonia> how are you confirming it's installed
[11:53] <eagles0513875|2> i usually do it that way to confirm as it shows if its installed and gives you the version of the package installed
[11:53] <ikonia> that is showing the policy
[11:53] <ikonia> confirm the package manager thinks it's installed
[11:54] <eagles0513875|2> ok. how though
[11:54] <ikonia> you're a paid sysadmin ?
[11:55] <ikonia> I'll leave you to work that out, I'm happy to help, but I'm not feeding you the basics after the ammount of time you spend bragging how much of a paid/quality sysadmin you are
[11:55] <ikonia> once you've done that, we can walk it through
[11:55] <eagles0513875|2> ok found the answer on google
[11:55] <ikonia> how are you confirming it's installed
[11:56] <eagles0513875|2> dpkg --get-selection | grep cups
[11:56] <ikonia> so can you see the package in that list ?
[11:56] <eagles0513875|2> yes
[11:56] <ikonia> ok - so the package manager believes it's installed
[11:57] <eagles0513875|2> ill be back later off to lunch
[11:57] <ikonia> ok
[13:46] <lynxman> jamespage: ping
[13:46] <jamespage> lynxman: pong
[13:46] <lynxman> jamespage: need some help with a java process start script
[13:46] <lynxman> jamespage: let me pm you
[13:47] <jamespage> here is good
[13:47] <lynxman> jamespage: ah cool
[13:47] <lynxman> jamespage: dealing with the activemq startup script
[13:47] <lynxman> apart from lack of dependencies (doesn't depend on openjdk, need to fix)
[13:47] <lynxman> the script won't start a heatlhy instance, where if I feed the parameters manually it will
[13:47]  * jamespage checks
[13:49] <jamespage> lynxman: deps look OK
[13:49] <jamespage> just pulling the source
[13:49] <lynxman> jamespage: k,just check the init, the start-stop-daemon line doesn't spawn anything
[13:51] <lynxman> jamespage: whereas if I do su - activemq -c "/usr/bin/activemq start xbean:activemq.xml" it does run
[13:54] <jamespage> lynxman: precise or oneiric?
[13:54] <lynxman> jamespage: precise
[13:54] <jamespage> hmm
[13:56] <jamespage> lynxman: I just tried enabling the main instance as it worked OK for me
[13:56] <jamespage> anything specific you are doing different?
[13:56] <lynxman> jamespage: oh bummer.. then my box is broken :/
[13:56] <lynxman> jamespage: just ln -s the instance from available then start
[13:56] <jamespage> yes
[13:56] <lynxman> jamespage: somethings borken with my precise machine then :/
[13:57] <jamespage> lynxman, http://paste.ubuntu.com/733086/
[13:57] <jamespage> and http://paste.ubuntu.com/733086/
[13:57] <lynxman> jamespage: same
[13:58] <lynxman> jamespage: I'll just reinstall my devel vm, this one is broken I reckon
[13:58] <jamespage> lynxman: looks that way
[13:58] <lynxman> jamespage: thanks a bunch :)
[13:58] <jamespage> np
[13:59] <jamespage> that init script would be so much simpler with upstart
[13:59]  * jamespage puts that on the TODO list
[14:01] <bitshift> Hi, me again - not sure why but the Ubuntu Server Installer goes away and doesn't come back after picking the mirror to use. No errors in dmesg, last thing I see is about ethernet link up - and syslog has some messages about goog signature from package maintainers or something but nothing else (10.04.3) what should I do?
[14:02] <lynxman> jamespage: that would be schweet
[14:02] <lynxman> jamespage: do we have isos of precise server yet?
[14:02] <jamespage> lynxman: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/ looks that way
[14:02] <jamespage> not tried one yet tho
[14:03] <lynxman> jamespage: cool :)
[14:03] <lynxman> jamespage: always forget about the url... doh
[14:03] <jamespage> you should try a 'bookmark' - they are great :-)
[14:03] <Daviey> roaksoax: hey, around?
[14:03] <lynxman> jamespage: can you talk more about that bookmark thing, it sounds interesting
[14:03] <jamespage> lol
[14:06] <Daviey> jamespage: have your invoice book to hand.
[14:07] <smoser> lynxman has a precise machine. bravo.
[14:07] <smoser> you're weeks behind Daviey though. he upgrades as soon as the archive opens.
[14:08] <zul> wait desktop or server?
[14:09] <bitshift> can anyone help with a lack of any activity from the 10.04.3 server installer?
[14:10] <ninjix> bitshift: physical or virtual?
[14:10] <bitshift> physical
[14:10] <ninjix> upgrade?
[14:10] <bitshift> no, fresh
[14:10] <bitshift> it configured the network card and asked me which mirror to use, and then went away
[14:10] <ninjix> which did you choose?
[14:10] <bitshift> gb.archive.something
[14:11] <eagles0513875> hey ikonia i am back
[14:11] <bitshift> no errors in dmesg or syslog, installer has just left me with the blue background and hasn't done anything
[14:11] <lynxman> smoser: yeah I upgraded 2 weeks ago from an oneiric one, badly though
[14:11] <ninjix> might want to try again with one of the Canonical servers
[14:12] <bitshift> okay, I'll restart the installer and try - will be back shortly
[14:13] <smoser> lynxman, my upgrade monday went fine. laptop is happily running the pangolin
[14:14] <ninjix> heh, Oneiric not new enough for you :)
[14:14] <lynxman> smoser: :)
[14:14] <lynxman> smoser: that's one of the reasons why you're better than me
[14:14] <smoser> only one of them
[14:14] <smoser> :)
[14:15] <lynxman> smoser: one of many!
[14:17] <bitshift> It seems to have done the same thing, I chose archive.ubuntu.com
[14:17] <bitshift> It flickered something as though it was getting a package list or something but it disappeared almost instantly
[14:18] <bitshift> and then went away
[14:18] <khussein78>  i found this errors in my syslog,  iuse ubuntu server 11.04
[14:19] <khussein78>  http://pastebin.com/RvsyUWkm
[14:20] <khussein78> any idea about this
[14:26] <khussein78> any idea about this please  http://pastebin.com/RvsyUWkm
[14:32] <zul> smoser: ping you are using devstack right?
[14:32] <smoser> ping yes
[14:32] <smoser> well, i have.
[14:32] <smoser> i'm not right now.
[14:33] <smoser> i'm using xchat for irc
[14:35] <zul> smoser: with keystone?
[14:35] <smoser> oh. i dont thin kthat got sorted out.
[14:35] <smoser> i think you may not be able to use the ec2 api with keystone at all
[14:35] <smoser> !
[14:36] <zul> you can
[14:36] <smoser> so, thats your first bug
[14:36] <smoser> :)
[14:36] <zul> the middleware is there
[14:36] <zul> *grumble *grumble*
[14:36] <smoser> vish commented once that he was working on sorting it out.
[14:36] <smoser> that was probably 3 weeks ago.
[14:38] <zul> i need to figure out keystone first
[14:41] <smoser> jamespage, around ?
[14:41] <smoser> $ apt-cache show ec2-api-tools | grep Dep
[14:41] <smoser> Depends: default-jre-headless | java6-runtime-headless
[14:41] <jamespage> smoser: yep
[14:41] <smoser> $ dpkg-query --show default-jre-headless
[14:41] <smoser> default-jre-headless	1:1.6-43ubuntu1
[14:42] <smoser> $ which java || echo no java
[14:42] <smoser> no java
[14:42] <smoser> what went wrong ? somehow getting 'default-jre-headless' does not get me a jvm on precise
[14:42] <jamespage> smoser: yikes
[14:42] <jamespage> it should
[14:43] <bitshift> hory shet 10.04 has started installing
[14:43] <bitshift> fgsfds awesome
[14:43] <smoser> ok. wait, it did. i do have openjdk-6-jre-headless
[14:43] <ninjix> bitshift: selecting a different repo mirror work?
[14:43] <bitshift> no leaving it for 30mins seems to have worked lol
[14:44] <bitshift> suddenly saw network activity lights flickering and thought "oh god maybe" and so connected monitor and suddenly
[14:44] <ninjix> love auto-fix
[14:44] <smoser> ah. i see.
[14:45] <smoser> my old /usr/bin/java -> /etc/alternatives/java -> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/bin/java
[14:45] <smoser> but openjdk-6-jre-headless now installs java to /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk-amd64/jre/bin/java
[14:45] <jamespage> update-java-alternatives might be your friend there
[14:45] <smoser> ie, 'openjdk-amd64' rather than 'openjdk'
[14:45] <jamespage> is this an upgraded system then?
[14:46] <smoser> yes.
[14:46] <smoser> opening bug.
[14:46] <jamespage> good idea
[14:56] <smoser> bug 888100
[15:16] <roaksoax> Daviey: im here
[15:17] <zetui> anyone know about this error :
[15:19] <zetui> [ 6307.476929] ACPI Error: SMBus or IPMI write requires Buffer of length 42, found length 20 (20090903/exfield-286)
[15:19] <zetui> [ 6307.476929] ACPI Error: SMBus or IPMI write requires Buffer of length 42, found length 20 (20090903/exfield-286)
[15:20] <zetui> [ 6307.476938] ACPI Error (psparse-0537): Method parse/execution failed [_____SB_.PMI0._PMM] (Node ffff88011b64ad00),
[15:20] <zetui> every 5 sec i got this error on my machine
[15:22] <zetui> anyone there ?
[15:26] <SpamapS> zetui: looks like a problem with sensors
[15:27] <zetui> what sehnsors ?
[15:27] <zetui> --
[15:33] <Zanzacar> Hi everyone, I have created a new user with useradd, and modified the bash shell afterwords with usermod
[15:33] <Zanzacar> The purpose of this FTP account is to allow a friend to mainly FTP into my server, that being said I dont want him to have access to anything other then his home directory more or less
[15:34] <Zanzacar> how would I go about that? I tried rbash but that seemed super restricted.
[15:34] <Zanzacar> and I dont even know how rbash would correspond with a FTP account.
[15:34] <SpamapS> Zanzacar: you should be using *sftp* not FTP
[15:34] <Zanzacar> right it is sFTP b ecause its only over port 22
[15:35] <bitshift> and because it's just better, safer
[15:35] <Zanzacar> correct
[15:35] <SpamapS> Zanzacar: there is a program called 'scponly' which will chroot a user into their home dir. That might be what you want.
[15:36] <Zanzacar> SpamapS: Thanks I will look into scponly. My friend does know linux or anything so he will mainly only be using winscp to login and copy files.
[15:37] <Zanzacar> doesnt know, not does know haha
[15:40] <Zanzacar> SpamapS: this seems like a typo but I always like to be sure. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/94
[15:40] <Zanzacar> in the second step it says stfp-server..... shouldnt this say sftp-server?
[15:41] <plm> what is site to downlaod ubuntu server.. wher I can to choice file.. not that default in page..
[15:42] <lynxman> smoser: around?
[15:43] <smoser> here, l
[15:43] <smoser> lynxman,
[15:43] <lynxman> smoser: what would be for you the best way to detect the existance of another package from inside a postinst script of a package :)
[15:43] <lynxman> smoser: trying to figure out if activemq is there and otherwise rabbitmq
[15:43] <lynxman> smoser: just check for the config dir existance?
[15:45] <smoser> lynxman, i'm not really sure. there might be some policy regarding responding to the existance of another package.
[15:45] <smoser> at very least, i would not think it is easy to do for something like 'apt-get install rabbitmq activemq'
[15:46] <lynxman> smoser: yeah I'd rather not :) just check that they're there (they're a dependency already activemq | rabbitmq-stomp )
[15:47] <smoser> i really dont know, lynxman
[15:47] <lynxman> smoser: gonna check the deb packager guide to see...
[15:47] <smoser> you'll get better feedback, but not like it, in #ubuntu-devel
[15:47] <smoser> s/but not like it/but may not like what you get/
[15:47] <lynxman> smoser: lol, I'll ask there then :)
[15:47] <rbasak> roaksoax, zul: could you review https://code.launchpad.net/~clint-fewbar/ubuntu/oneiric/cobbler/misc-fixes/+merge/77771 please? It'll make it easier for my further changes if it's merged.
[15:47] <lynxman> smoser: well truth always hurts
[15:47] <lynxman> smoser: lol
[15:48] <rbasak> Or is that now obsolete due to oneiric being released?
[15:49] <zul> rbasak: this is going into oneiric right?
[15:49] <rbasak> zul: I'm confused now, sorry
[15:49] <zul> rbasak: er...this is a bug fix for oneiric right?
[15:49] <rbasak> zul: my fixes need to go into oneiric, and SpamapS' rev 52 probably needs to
[15:50] <rbasak> yeah I guess so
[15:50] <rbasak> maybe I should branch SpamapS' branch and add to it to merge everything in at once?
[15:50]  * rbasak isn't really sure of the lp+bzr workflow here
[15:50] <zul> rbasak: for oneiric can you follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates?action=show&redirect=SRU
[15:51] <zul> lp+bzr workflow is fine just the debian/changelog and stuff is incorrect
[15:54] <SpamapS> hmmm?
[15:56] <hallyn> kirkland, regarding the first work item in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-kvm (about orchestra), I know you said you didn't remember who that came from, but any idea who I could ask?  :)
[16:03] <lynxman> smoser: actually I liked the answer :)
[16:03] <lynxman> smoser: it's very cool
[16:13] <kirkland> hallyn: looking....
[16:14] <kirkland> hallyn: which one are you calling the "first" work item?
[16:14] <kirkland> "orchestra integration for preseed configuration (thin hypervisors etc) (Serge doesn't know what this is): TODO" ?
[16:14] <hallyn> that's the one
[16:14] <kirkland> hallyn: meh, drop it
[16:14] <kirkland> hallyn: i don't see it being that important
[16:15] <hallyn> ok, i figured maybe someone would want it moved to some orchestra blueprint, but sure i'll drop it - thanks :)
[16:15] <hallyn> hey, byobu-tmux q
[16:15] <hallyn> i was thinking abou ttaking the plunge,
[16:15] <kirkland> hallyn: yep
[16:15] <kirkland> hallyn: neat, it's really awesome :-)
[16:15] <hallyn> but does that mean all my ctrl-a shortcuts won't work, i assume?
[16:15] <kirkland> hallyn: what do you mean?
[16:15] <hallyn> i can't tell you how much those are built into my reflexes
[16:15] <kirkland> hallyn: no, i've enabled screen's commands in tmux
[16:16] <hallyn> ctrl-a ctrl-a, ctrla- ctrlw, ctrl-a-esc, ctrl-a ], etc
[16:16] <kirkland> hallyn: yep, all of those should work the same
[16:16] <hallyn> sign me up!
[16:16] <hallyn> ppa:kirkland/byobu?
[16:16] <kirkland> hallyn: source /usr/share/doc/tmux/examples/screen-keys.conf
[16:16] <kirkland> hallyn: yep
[16:16] <kirkland> hallyn: latest version is 4.46-0ubuntu1
[16:16] <hallyn> thanks - will install, ttyl :)
[16:16] <kirkland> hallyn: thanks, feedback will be appreciated ;-)
[16:17] <hallyn> oh I BET you'll get some :)
[16:17] <kirkland> hallyn: i'll release another version today with the byobu/tmux keybindings documented
[16:17] <kirkland> hallyn: :-D
[16:17] <hallyn> awesome, thanks
[16:17] <hallyn> no, wait,
[16:17] <hallyn> is it ppa:kirkland/ppa ?
[16:18] <hallyn> doesn't have 4.x
[16:18] <kirkland> hallyn: no
[16:18] <kirkland> hallyn: sorry
[16:18] <kirkland> hallyn: ppa:byobu/ppa
[16:18] <hallyn> ah
[16:18] <hallyn> cool
[16:18] <kirkland> hallyn: fwiw, ALL of my projects are ppa:FOOO/ppa
[16:24] <hallyn> kirkland, one thing slightly misleading, 'choose keybinding set' scares me into thinking that 'screen keys' means f keys won't work (but they do work)
[16:25] <hallyn> also, ctrl-a esc does not in fact work :(  will have to read up on the new way to cut/paste
[16:25] <kirkland> hallyn: hmm, yeah, if you file a bug on that, i need to rework that
[16:26] <hallyn> i'll start a list and file this afternoon
[16:26] <hallyn> quite nice.  nice and fast and smooth
[16:26] <kirkland> hallyn: it is much faster
[16:26] <kirkland> hallyn: at least it feels so to me
[16:26] <kirkland> hallyn: have you tried the splits yet?
[16:26] <patrickmw> jamespage, how much of the USIT framework do you feel can be replaced by juju charms?
[16:26] <kirkland> hallyn: quick start ...   ctrl-f2 and shift-f2
[16:27] <jamespage> not much of it TBH
[16:27] <jamespage> different use can
[16:27] <kirkland> hallyn: then shift-up/down/left/right
[16:27] <hallyn> kirkland: yup, it took me two minutes to figure out how to MOVE between them :)
[16:27] <jamespage> case
[16:27] <kirkland> hallyn: then ctrl-up/down/left/right to resize
[16:27] <patrickmw> jamespage, cool. just curious.
[16:27] <kirkland> hallyn: alt-left/right also moves between windows
[16:27] <kirkland> hallyn: and alt-up/down moves between sessions
[16:28] <kirkland> hallyn: i find myself using splits more than windows/sessions now
[16:28] <jamespage> patrickmw: until we drop tasksel from the ISO installer we still need to know that the simple application installs work
[16:28] <jamespage> juju will really cover the more complicated test cases such as openstack for example
[16:29] <kirkland> hallyn: *especially* when i'm on my 32" monitor
[16:30] <hallyn> i don't have one of those :)
[16:30] <hallyn> how do i start a new session?
[16:30] <patrickmw> jamespage, there have been comments on the ramp up time to validate new tests before they get committed to trunk.  Juju just came to mind.  That is a topic that will be brought up next week (although I'm sure we won't spend much time on it)
[16:31] <kirkland> SpamapS: ping
[16:34] <jamespage> patrickmw: not sure I understand the context of 'trunk' in this case - please can you explain more?
[16:45] <SpamapS> kirkland: pong! 'morning
[16:46] <kirkland> SpamapS: howdya!
[16:50] <hallyn> (answering myself: byobu-tmux new-session)
[16:51] <hallyn> kirkland, you should get byobu-tmux added to the lsit of programs using tmux on tmux.sf.net
[16:52] <kirkland> hallyn: cool, will do
[16:54] <hallyn> ll right, figured out how to get into 'copy' mode, but not how to get out (without ctrl-c)  :)
[17:36] <Daviey> smoser: is bug 789351 a euca or cloud-init bug?
[17:40] <smoser> Daviey, i would suspect that the metadata service is somehow bustecd.
[17:41] <smoser> and does not include 'instance-id' and cloud-init is failing as a result.
[17:42] <kirkland> SpamapS: okay, sru uploaded
[17:47] <Daviey> smoser: gah.. odd if it has, i didn't think anything in that area changed from 10.10->11.04
[17:50] <smoser> well, i suspect htat is what is wrong.
[17:51] <smoser> Daviey, i'd be interested in seeing the output of:
[17:51] <smoser>  python -c 'import boto.utils, pprint; pprint.pprint(boto.utils.get_instance_metadata())'
[17:51] <smoser> from inside an instance
[17:57] <SpamapS> kirkland: roger, will review shortly
[17:57] <kirkland> SpamapS: thanks!
[18:05] <pmatulis> damn, my squirrelmail got erased during an apache2 upgrade  :(
[18:08] <kirkland> hallyn: can you give me your feedback on http://paste.ubuntu.com/733348/ ?
[18:08] <SpamapS> pmatulis: uh, what?
[18:08] <SpamapS> pmatulis: did you have it hosted in /usr/lib/apache2 ? ;)
[18:10] <hallyn> kirkland, looks good.  no plans for an f- equiv to enter copy mode?
[18:10] <kirkland> hallyn: that's F7, as well as Alt-PageUp/PageDown
[18:11] <kirkland> hallyn: should I use the word "copy" there?
[18:11] <hallyn> ah, no that's probably sufficient
[18:13] <SpamapS> kirkland: accepted
[18:17] <kirkland> SpamapS: \o/
[18:18] <SpamapS> kirkland: btw, I am trying to get your old musica charm into lp:charm .. ever seen this:
[18:18] <SpamapS> 2011-11-09 10:17:23,885 unit:musica/0: hook.output ERROR: File system loop detected; `./sys/devices/platform/reg-dummy/subsystem/drivers/serial8250/serial8250/tty/ttyS3/subsystem/tty32/subsystem' is part of the same file system loop as `./sys/devices/platform/reg-dummy/subsystem/drivers/serial8250/serial8250/tty/ttyS3/subsystem'.
[18:18] <kirkland> utlemming: smoser: byobu SRU accepted;  could you guys help with the verification, so that we can get this tested and moved from oneiric-proposed to oneiric-updates in time for your next ec2 image builds
[18:18] <kirkland> SpamapS: hrmf?  no...never
[18:18] <kirkland> SpamapS: is there a find or something in there?
[18:18]  * kirkland checks code
[18:19] <SpamapS> http://ec2-107-20-129-129.compute-1.amazonaws.com/musica/
[18:19] <SpamapS> Anywya, deploys fine ;)
[18:20] <Daviey> SpamapS: your music collection is weak.
[18:20] <SpamapS> LOL looks like it exposes the entire filesystem...!!!
[18:20] <smoser> kirkland, i suggest that we test on next daily precise and oneiric build.
[18:20] <smoser>  * verifiy that it is not on by default
[18:20] <lynxman> SpamapS: GET /etc/passwd...
[18:20] <kirkland> smoser: +1
[18:20] <smoser>  * add-proposed && apt-get update && apt-get install byobu
[18:21] <smoser>  * verify that LC_BYOBO=1 ssh host
[18:21] <smoser>    gets it turned on
[18:21] <Daviey> zul: did you see bug #879853 latest comment?
[18:21] <zul> f*cking hell
[18:21] <zul> ill have a look
[18:22] <Daviey> :)
[18:24] <Daviey> SpamapS: Are you doing a mysql-server merge?
[18:24] <SpamapS> Daviey: transition to 5.5
[18:24] <SpamapS> Daviey: I'll mark it on MoM
[18:24] <SpamapS> oh, actually there's no mysql merge marked to do
[18:25] <SpamapS> Daviey: 5.5.17 landed in experimental a few hours ago.. now need to upload a 5.1 which will let go of libmysqlclient-dev and -server/-client
[18:25] <SpamapS> Daviey: then will merge them in
[18:25] <SpamapS> Daviey: then rebuild all the rdeps
[18:26] <SpamapS> Daviey: slangasek has also asked that we make a pass at making libmysqlclient multiarch .. so will have to take a stab at that.
[18:26] <Daviey> SpamapS: Oh great! Do you want to hijack bug 880339 at the same time?
[18:26] <Daviey> i'm sure roaksoax won't mind :)
[18:27] <Zanzacar> ?quit
[18:27] <SpamapS> kirkland: bug in /etc/cron.hourly/musica .. does not fail if /usr/share/musica/music does not exist.
[18:28] <SpamapS> kirkland: so ends up indexing all of /
[18:37] <lynxman> SpamapS: quick question for you, I have an upstart script that forks but writes a pid file (so it's pretty clean), I'm calling it through exec but I expect respawn, should be safe to expect fork or daemon instead?
[18:37] <Zanzacar> Hi everyone I wanted to chroot a ftp user. I created a new user. added chroot_list_file=/etc/vsftpd.chroot.list to the vsftpd.conf file
[18:37] <SpamapS> lynxman: expect daemon is for things that fork twice
[18:37] <lynxman> SpamapS: this just forks once
[18:37] <lynxman> SpamapS: after the exec
[18:38] <SpamapS> lynxman: so if all it does is forks, and then the parent exits.. and it never forks the main process again, its good for 'expect fork'.
[18:38] <lynxman> SpamapS: cool, ty
[18:38] <Zanzacar> after that I added just the username to the vsftpd.chroot.list file, after that I restarted vsftpd and logged in as the user, but I can see everything outside my home directory.
[18:41] <SpamapS> lynxman: note that I am a big fan of just having things run in the foreground and using a post-start to determine if its actually "started" .. at least, until we get 'expect exit'
[18:42] <lynxman> SpamapS: yeah me too but that would require patching everybodys config file
[18:42] <Daviey> smoser: Are you still working on the rabbitmq 'logged in' bug?
[18:42] <lynxman> SpamapS: which is something I'm a bit wary against
[18:43] <smoser> bug 878600, daviey?
[18:44] <Daviey> smoser: that fixes the issue on desktop and ssh?
[18:44] <lynxman> SpamapS: damn, now it can't capture the pid, we suppressed pid file on upstart right?
[18:44] <smoser> i dont know about desktop, Daviey
[18:45] <Daviey> smoser: bug 884964 i assumed to be a dupe of the issue you were working on, am i wrong?
[18:48] <Zanzacar> how is the format of vsftpd.chroot_list suppose to be?
[18:48] <smoser> Daviey, i actually dont know.
[18:49] <SpamapS> lynxman: yeah, there's no pid file handling in upstart
[18:49] <smoser> would have to test
[18:49] <lynxman> SpamapS: rats :/
[18:50] <Daviey> smoser: I might try your precise fix on my box here, and see if the issue goes away.
[18:50] <Daviey> If it does, we should probably SRU that
[18:55] <bitshift> Hey, how would I build just one module from the kernel source? Already got the build essential stuff and the kernel source for my version, but need the r6040 driver and nothing else
[19:04] <lynxman> Daviey: mcollective merged \o/ what would you like for sponsoring? branch push? :)
[19:05] <Daviey> lynxman: whatever you have been working from, i'm going to create a debdiff from ubuntu->ubuntu & debian->ubuntu before uploading.. so that works well :)
[19:05] <lynxman> Daviey: I've just been working from the debian package straight, so debdiff from that should suffice?
[19:05] <Daviey> lynxman: sounds good!
[19:06] <lynxman> Daviey: so you won't need the ubuntu->ubuntu one I reckon
[19:06] <lynxman> Daviey: cool, doing that now
[19:07] <Daviey> lynxman: sid or wheezy?
[19:07] <lynxman> Daviey: wheezy
[19:08] <Daviey> cool
[19:09] <Daviey> lynxman: does sid make more sense?
[19:10] <Daviey> lynxman: http://pb.daviey.com/sAY0/
[19:11] <lynxman> Daviey: not really, I'm sending this debdiff back to the debian maintainer too
[19:11] <lynxman> Daviey: but up to you :) I can finish this merge tom. morning otherwise
[19:11] <Daviey> lynxman: i think,  libstomp-ruby -> ruby-stomp is required. :/
[19:12] <Daviey> the other things seem sensible
[19:12] <lynxman> Daviey: yeah the debconf and po translations sure are tasty
[19:12] <lynxman> Daviey: will merge from that then tom morning ;)
[19:13] <Daviey> lynxman: you might find you can just apply a diff directly from debian onto your merge
[19:13] <Daviey> (and fix the changelog)
[19:13] <lynxman> Daviey: yeah but I was about to run out of the door :)
[19:13] <lynxman> Daviey: but yeah, that was the plan
[19:13] <Daviey> groovy
[19:13] <Daviey> ping me tomorrow then :)
[19:13] <Daviey> good work
[19:14] <lynxman> Daviey: thanks :)
[19:18] <Randolph> hi all
[19:18] <Randolph> I wanted to know if it is normal that when there are some updates for Ubuntu 11.10, the user does not need to supply the root password ?
[19:19] <Kiall> Randolph, I'm 99% sure i have to type my password out...
[19:20] <Randolph> Kiall, me too until today
[19:21] <Randolph> Kiall, sorry I must precise on ubuntu desktop
[19:21] <Randolph> Kiall, wrong chan
[19:22] <Randolph> Kiall, but if someone have an answer I will appreciate
[19:33] <lynxman> Daviey: finally had the time to do it, find debdiff attached to bug 874981
[19:35] <ball> If a small business buys a support contract from Canonical, will they be able to help with simple tasks like adding a user, configuring Samba etc?
[19:36] <SpamapS> ball: http://www.canonical.com/enterprise-services/ubuntu-advantage
[19:36]  * ball takes a look
[19:36] <ball> ...hope it's not Rick Astley.
[19:36] <EvilResistance> ball:  out of curiosity... you cant just hire a linux admin?
[19:36] <EvilResistance> assuming of course you're the business
[19:37] <SpamapS> uh, that might be quite a bit more expensive ;)
[19:38] <onre> not really if you don't hire him full-time
[19:38] <EvilResistance> SpamapS:  /me is an on-call linux admin for 2 local small businesses, charges by the ticket.
[19:38] <EvilResistance> :P
[19:38] <onre> good admin can do wonders in hours
[19:39] <ball> EvilResistance: Looking at these prices, an admin would be a lot more expensive.
[19:40] <Randolph> onre, but not miracles
[19:41] <onre> yeah. preferably the admin has been there when the system has been designed and planned :p
[19:41] <onre> that makes it much more likely that he can do wonders ;)
[19:45] <EvilResistance> mhm
[20:15] <ssureshot> I'm trying to find out where failed login attenpts are originating from,, I've got an ldap backend with s3 domain,, any anyone point me in the right direction?
[20:16] <Daviey> lynxman: great!
[20:19] <adam_g> Daviey: which? facter 1.6.1-1ubuntu1 -> 1.6.2-1
[20:19] <adam_g> Daviey: ? i can do tomorrow for sure (out today)
[20:20] <Daviey> adam_g: no hurry. :)
[20:54] <kirkland> hallyn: ping
[20:54] <hallyn> kirkland, hey
[20:54] <kirkland> hallyn: re: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/byobu/+bug/888245
[20:54] <kirkland> hallyn: try shift-F3 and shift-F4
[20:54] <kirkland> hallyn: tell me if that behavior is "better" for you?
[20:55] <kirkland> hallyn: there's a very subtle difference between shift-F3 and shift-right
[20:55] <hallyn> no, shift-f3 takes me up, not left ?
[20:56] <hallyn> i see - shift-f3 is like 'ctrl-a ctrl-a' in screen - last active screen
[20:56] <hallyn> so, if i do 'shift-left' and then 'shift-f3', it does what i'd want it to do
[20:56] <hallyn> (but that's not really a good substitute :)
[20:57] <kirkland> hallyn: shift-f3 moves you "counter clockwise"
[20:57] <hallyn> (it's like having alt-tab for different app, alt-` for same app different window - too much thinknig when i'm moving doing something)
[20:57] <kirkland> hallyn: shift-f4 moves you "clockwise"
[20:57] <hallyn> oh i see
[20:57] <kirkland> hallyn: and will operate like a circular linked list
[20:57] <hallyn> i didn't experiment enough
[20:57] <kirkland> hallyn: shift-left/right are more explicit -- they *only* go left and right
[20:58] <kirkland> hallyn: right, i'm trying to figure out what makes most sense here
[20:58] <hallyn> yes, but the 'bug' i was filing was about being able to go left-right-left-right and stay in bottom window
[20:58] <hallyn> oh, i see why it does it now too
[20:58] <hallyn> i.e. if you have 2x2, you can move left-right-left-right and stay in bottom,
[20:59] <kirkland> hallyn: right, your "last" focused one
[20:59] <hallyn> but if you have 1 full-height and
[20:59] <hallyn> no
[20:59] <hallyn> if you have full-height on left and 2 on the right, when yo move to the left one, it just things you're in the top now.
[20:59] <hallyn> so it's never remembering where you were vertically
[20:59] <hallyn> it only tries to go based on where youare now
[21:01] <kirkland> hallyn: right, i'm looking at tmux code now
[21:01] <kirkland> hallyn: to see if your previous focus is tracked and stored
[21:01] <kirkland> hallyn: and how to reference that
[21:02] <kirkland> hallyn: there is a 'last-pane'
[21:05] <virusuy> hello everyone
[21:12] <hallyn> stgraber, did you say arkose already ships with its own bridge?  Where is that getting set up?  I don't see it in the package source...
[21:12] <kirkland> hallyn: hmm, i'm not sure there's going to be an easy solution to this
[21:12] <hallyn> kirkland, i had a feeling :)
[21:15] <stgraber> hallyn: no, arkose uses point-to-point veth devices to communicate with the outside (/31 on the 169.254.x.x subnet)
[21:16] <hallyn> stgraber, what does the other end link to though?  doesn't it have to connect to a bridge?  Or, you're using iptables on the other end?
[21:17] <hallyn> I see it now, though - thanks
[21:17] <stgraber> hallyn: both veth devices have IP addresses and arkose sets up forwarding + masquerading to make it work
[21:20] <hallyn> stgraber, ok - i guess for the lxc default config, to avoid changing lxc-start too much, it's still easier to create lxcbr0 and just set masq up for it
[21:20] <hallyn> thx
[21:23] <stgraber> hallyn: yep, that's definitely the easiest. Are you planning on starting dnsmasq as DNS + DHCP server on that bridge too (through an option ideally)?
[21:24] <stgraber> hallyn: I think we basically need options for: global on/off switch for the bridge, DHCP+DNS, name of the bridge and subnet for the bridge
[21:25] <|rt|> hey guys what package do you guys use for serving iscsi targets?  It seems as though the default solution to that has changed between the last LTS and current...so if you were running LTS do you run iscsi-target or the newer solution tgt?
[21:25] <hallyn> yeah that's what i'm doing, controlled through /etc/default/lxc options
[21:26] <hallyn> |rt|, you might ask in #ubuntu-kernel, but my impression was that tgt was the way to go.  ppetraki do you know offhand?
[21:26] <hallyn> stgraber, actually i think i'll hold off on making dnsmasq use optional.  I'm sure that'll come later, but i want to keep it as simple as possible right now
[21:26] <|rt|> hallyn: for the LTS that would mean pulling in tgt from universe but probably would make it a more future proof solution
[21:27] <|rt|> hallyn: with a new LTS version not that far off now
[21:27] <hallyn> hm, if it's still in universe, then i guess that can't be our recommended route :)
[21:27] <hallyn> oh, you mean 10.04
[21:27] <hallyn> sorry i thought by 'current' you meant 12.04
[21:27] <|rt|> hallyn: yeah sorry this server is running LTS
[21:28] <|rt|> hallyn: but I know that tgt is now the recommended solution with 12.04 as I've been playing around with it a bit at home
[21:28] <|rt|> hallyn: should I file a bug that the tgt package doesn't include the man pages in 12.04
[21:31] <hallyn> |rt|, that would be great, yes :)
[21:31] <NCommander> Daviey: when I have hardware, sure
[21:34] <|rt|> hallyn: in general I think iscsi (target and initiator needs some more documentation)  I may volunteer to try to get something done on the documentation side of things as that's an area that I can contribute
[21:36] <hallyn> awesome
[21:38] <|rt|> is the only way to file a bug these days by running ubuntu-bug <package>?
[21:38] <|rt|> b/c if I'm filing a bug from my desktop that doesn't have the tgt package installed that may look a bit odd in the bug report
[21:43] <EvilResistance> |rt|:  i file bug reports without ubuntu-bug all the time :p
[21:43] <EvilResistance> except i usually include technical details and crap anyways :P
[21:43] <EvilResistance> where crap includes useless information from the errors i get :P
[21:47] <|rt|> EvilResistance: where do you find that option on launchpad?
[21:47] <EvilResistance> |rt|:  what option?
[21:47] <|rt|> EvilResistance: I only see the button to file a new bug that takes me to the wiki on how to file a bug
[21:48] <EvilResistance> |rt|:  start by searching launchpad for the package
[21:48] <EvilResistance> um...
[21:48] <EvilResistance> for example
[21:49] <EvilResistance> this is the launchpad page for the package php5-gd: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+package/php5-gd
[21:49] <|rt|> yeah I've already done that do you need to get to the package page to file a new bug against it?
[21:49] <EvilResistance> i *always* start there first
[21:49] <EvilResistance> |rt|:  it never hurts, but usually
[21:49] <EvilResistance> |rt|:  ubuntu-bug figures out what to do automagically
[21:49] <EvilResistance> by pumping info into launchpad
[21:50] <|rt|> EvilResistance: ah the report a bug button on a package page does let you manually add a bug...but in the bug search page it takes you to the wiki on how to file a bug
[21:50] <EvilResistance> |rt|:  what packages
[21:50] <EvilResistance> package(s) *
[21:51] <EvilResistance> as well, what distro
[21:51] <EvilResistance> tgt?
[21:52] <EvilResistance> |rt|:  is this for the "tgt" package?
[21:52]  * EvilResistance assumes  so given your prior posts
[21:53] <|rt|> yeah but I just realized my error
[21:53] <|rt|> man tgt doesn't return anything
[21:53] <|rt|> but man tgtadm does
[21:53] <EvilResistance> :P
[21:53] <EvilResistance> |rt|:  fwiw...
[21:53] <EvilResistance> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tgt/+filebug
[21:53] <|rt|> so no bug to file :)
[21:54] <EvilResistance> you file bugs against the source of a package
[21:54] <EvilResistance> i.e.
[21:54] <EvilResistance> php5-gd's source package is just "php5"
[21:54] <EvilResistance> so when i filed a maverick bug against php5-gd
[21:54] <EvilResistance> i filed it against the php5 source package
[21:54] <EvilResistance> and linked in that it was about maverick
[21:54] <EvilResistance> so searching for the package's source package will lead you to where to file a bug
[21:55] <EvilResistance> if its in ubuntu's repos, then bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/<srcpkg>/ is a good template to remember
[21:55] <EvilResistance> (note you need to know what the source package is ;P)
[21:55] <EvilResistance> for tgt though, the source package is 'tgt' :p
[21:57] <|rt|> yeah tgt is an easy one :)
[21:58] <EvilResistance> some people automatically assume that there's a source package for every binary in the repos though
[21:58] <EvilResistance> not realizing there isnt :p
[21:59] <virusuy> ElizabethKelley2: really, i thought that, basically because a binary is source code + rules to compile it
[21:59] <virusuy> well, it's more complex than that
[22:00] <ElizabethKelley2> Hello>?
[22:00] <EvilResistance> virusuy:  fwiw, i think you mishighlighted
[22:00] <EvilResistance> :P
[22:00] <virusuy> ups, thats right
[22:00] <virusuy> Sorry ElizabethKelley2
[22:01] <virusuy> EvilResistance: so, a binary isn't that?
[23:00] <Gr3mlin> hay all
[23:01] <Gr3mlin> whats the name of the headless sys spec monitor called? ive forgotten.
[23:03] <Gr3mlin> anyone?
[23:05] <SpamapS> Gr3mlin: sys spec monitor?
[23:06] <Gr3mlin> resource monitor
[23:06] <Gr3mlin> like, cpu, ram.. its got a strange name
[23:06] <SpamapS> Gr3mlin: like, top ?
[23:07] <Gr3mlin> top?
[23:07] <SpamapS> There are a plethora of plethoras of monotoring tools
[23:09] <Gr3mlin> :) i'll have a look at top, but it was saidar :) is top better?
[23:10] <SpamapS> never heard of saidar
[23:10] <SpamapS> Gr3mlin: if you've never had top, I don't know if you've ever really run a server. ;)
[23:11] <Gr3mlin> lol, its my first home server. just a tiny one, im getting use to ubuntu.
[23:12] <Gr3mlin> saidar is somewhat what i need, its got cpu, network, hdd, mem. what else do you need! :D
[23:13] <Gr3mlin> ok, HTop looks rather good.
[23:14] <Gr3mlin> thanks for the help! ;) have fun! :D
[23:33] <yaboo> should thank the people who helped me before on my soft raid issue, thank you channel
[23:46] <ppetraki> hallyn, |rt|, I can ask the QA guys and get back to you, last time I looked into this the answer wasn't straight forward so I'm not surprised that these questions are coming from the community


[01:54] <troy_s> hello huwshimi
[01:54] <troy_s> thanks for your contribution
[02:10] <huwshimi> troy_s: np
[02:23] <huwshimi> troy_s: I will try to gloss up the splash screen I followed the guide as to matt background/gloss foreground. But the splash still needs some work
[02:30] <BHSPitLappy> hi all
[03:33] <troy_s> huwshimi it's too bad you weren't around at the start of the cycle
[03:34] <troy_s> but you should be able to pick up rather quickly -- as was one of the goals this cycle.
[03:34] <huwshimi> troy_s: How so?
[03:34] <troy_s> How so what sorry?
[03:34] <huwshimi> troy_s: Me not being around at the start of the cycle.
[03:35] <troy_s> well it would have given much time to incorporate the motif into other designs
[03:40] <huwshimi> troy_s: Has the default art been
[03:40] <huwshimi> ... chosen yet?
[03:40] <troy_s> not yet.
[03:40] <troy_s> just a gradual refinement of direction
[03:40] <huwshimi> ok
[03:41] <troy_s> unfortunately, we had to start the cycle with a very broad design base and really crunch it down as we went along
[03:41] <troy_s> next cycle we should be able to start with a more refined design specification
[03:41] <troy_s> sept 7th is the final lock date for all artwork -- then it is merely a matter of polishing
[03:42] <troy_s> i believe mark is getting shipped a tarball shortly based on frank's selections
[03:42] <troy_s> and he will ultimately decide.
[03:42] <troy_s> or throw it all out :)
[03:42] <troy_s> note that he has been quite clear regarding branding of the wallpaper... although you might get away with a minor brand
[03:43] <troy_s> if you read the specifications, you can see where and how branding should be incorporated.
[03:43] <troy_s> in actuality, there was an update to it, and I should probably update the wiki accordingly based on mark's comments from linuxworld.
[03:43] <huwshimi> yeah. My designs can be ripped to shreds if they want to be used
[03:48] <BHSPitLappy> hey
[03:49] <huwshimi> Hi
[03:49] <BHSPitLappy> troy_s, sept 7th.. applies to sound too?
[03:49] <troy_s> i would suspect so, as the breakdown listed on the plan page corresponds to the developer breakdown
[03:49] <troy_s> upon which it was based in paris
[03:49] <BHSPitLappy> hmm
[03:49] <BHSPitLappy> then it's probably too late to submit anything new?
[03:52] <troy_s> i wouldn't count it out
[03:52] <troy_s> the only thing i would say is that don't be offended if it doesn't get looked at in time
[03:53] <troy_s> mark is extremely busy, and ubuntu is different from the other 'buntus in that _everything_ that enters ubuntu art-wise _must_ pass through him.
[03:53] <troy_s> creative wise
[03:53] <troy_s> etc.
[03:53] <troy_s> that means that ultimately he wields the axe
[03:54] <troy_s> that said, we would love to see the sound department develop further
[03:54] <troy_s> i know _i_ certainly would.
[03:54] <BHSPitLappy> well, I would be submitting a prototype
[03:54] <BHSPitLappy> not even a finished, cleaned up etc
[03:55] <BHSPitLappy> although it's not like with graphical art... audio is relatively easier to transform from raw recordings into a finished product
[03:55] <troy_s> they are quite similar actually.
[03:55] <huwshimi> troy_s: I would like to be involved with the artwork process. I work as a graphic and web designer and audio engineer. I have a Launchpad account etc. what else do I need to do?
[03:55] <troy_s> but if it is in a production worthy state, i wouldn't hold back.
[03:56] <BHSPitLappy> troy_s, I mean, say, from a concept sketch, to a nicely made vector image
[03:56] <troy_s> huwshimi there is plenty to be done, and we need more folks like you.
[03:56] <troy_s> BHSPitLappy are you familiar with how motion pictures are edited and scored?
[03:56] <BHSPitLappy> troy_s, let's just say I'm 17.
[03:56] <troy_s> BHSPitLappy that's ok.
[03:57] <BHSPitLappy> and I understand what you're getting at, too...
[03:57] <troy_s> basically, you provide a 'temp' track that meets the thematics of the piece
[03:57] <BHSPitLappy> in our case, the prototype is a quick recording of my keyboard... and the finished product would be... a quick recording of my keyboard, with some editing :P
[03:57] <troy_s> and then write concurrently with it.
[03:57] <troy_s> laf.
[03:57] <troy_s> well i certainly say get it on the wiki to start...
[03:58] <BHSPitLappy> instead if going drastically from a temp track, to an arranger/composer, and getting professional musicians in.
[03:58] <BHSPitLappy> I have to wait for my friend to get off work, actually
[03:58] <troy_s> it will serve well for brainstorming purposes at the very least, and who knows what it will trigger.
[03:58] <BHSPitLappy> need to ask him for permission.
[03:58] <troy_s> put it on the wiki
[03:59] <BHSPitLappy> need to ask him for permission.
[03:59] <troy_s> indeed.
[03:59] <BHSPitLappy> since it's inspired off of something he's written
[04:00] <BHSPitLappy> ah, you scared huwshimi away.
[05:07] <BHSPitLappy> anybody home??
[05:29] <BHSPitLappy> hi, huwshimi
[05:29] <huwshimi> hey
[06:23] <troy_s> wb huwshimi
[06:24] <huwshimi> hey troy_s
[06:24] <troy_s> pyrotica is developing a pretty damn good gdm tutorial in incoming
[06:24] <troy_s> it is really coming along nicely.
[06:25] <huwshimi> troy_s:  I just made a gloss version of my splash screen as per request. I will upload a screenshot later.
[06:25] <troy_s> do you have any metacity / gtk experience huwshimi?
[06:26] <troy_s> probably a good idea.  sabdfl wanted to keep to some element of gloss.  i underplayed it quite massively based on the overplaying from earlier in the cycle.
[06:26] <huwshimi> yeah a little metacity. Made a couple of themes a while back. Haven't ventured into gtk
[06:26] <troy_s> hrm...
[06:26] <troy_s> the metacity for the default ubuntu look uses the rgb values from the gtkrc
[06:27] <troy_s> but it is still a bit of a complicated nut to crack.
[06:27] <huwshimi> ok
[06:27] <troy_s> it would be nice to palettize the metacity/gtk to the resulting
[06:28] <troy_s> chosen direction in usplash/lsplash/gdm/wall
[06:28] <troy_s> so if you could possibly experiment a little, it would be appreciated.
[06:29] <huwshimi> Ok. Is it the same metacity/gtk themes as dapper (with the modified colours)?
[06:29] <troy_s> well thus far
[06:29] <troy_s> nothing regarding that has changed
[06:29] <troy_s> and again, any changes we wish to implement will require mark's approval
[06:30] <troy_s> that said, i would think that once he decides on the set
[06:30] <troy_s> modifying the window border to match the palette probably would happen easily.
[06:30] <huwshimi> yeah
[06:32] <troy_s> what i am hoping to do is bump the palette information up to speed
[06:32] <troy_s> once we get through this checkpoint
[06:32] <troy_s> so that the offical palette reflects the current state of colour in ubuntu
[06:33] <huwshimi> yeah. yeah.
[06:35] <huwshimi> Were you saying that I should take the "ubuntu" off my wallpaper?
[06:36] <troy_s> huwshimi -- did you get that update to the wiki pages i made via the launchpad membership?
[06:37] <troy_s> mark has been quite clear regarding branding now (thankfully, as we really had _no_ clue at the onset of the cycle)
[06:37] <huwshimi> yep. sry I haven't read it all. I'll have a look
[06:37] <troy_s> three of the four specs (usplash/lsplash/gdm) all have branding.
[06:37] <troy_s> wall should probably not.
[06:37] <huwshimi> yeah ok.
[06:37] <troy_s> again, i am pretty sure that you could break this rule, but that is as per his request
[06:38] <troy_s> he also recently commented on the branding from linuxexpo
[06:38] <huwshimi> it's an easy change
[06:39] <troy_s> again, it isn't my choice... that's marks.
[06:40] <huwshimi> Ok cool
[07:31] <BHSPitLappy> is anyone alive here
[07:31] <huwshimi> Yo.
[07:32] <BHSPitLappy> what's up?
[07:32] <BHSPitLappy> want to be first to comment on a login/logout sound I just uploaded to the wiki
[07:32] <huwshimi> n/much. You?
[07:32] <huwshimi> ok.
[07:33] <huwshimi> Link?
[07:33] <BHSPitLappy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSounds#head-1e3e5557274b50738b38a7d1a41df69b44b9ff53
[07:35] <huwshimi> PolySounds?
[07:35] <huwshimi> is that the one I should download?
[07:36] <BHSPitLappy> yep
[07:42] <huwshimi> Hey they are pretty good. I like the length of them.
[07:43] <BHSPitLappy> thanks, I was afraid they were too long
[07:44] <huwshimi> nah. particularly the logout on is a nice length
[08:01] <huwshimi> troy_s: Are you around?
[11:20] <msikma> http://thingmajig.org/tmp/usplash_plus/radial-light_softlight.gif
[11:21] <msikma> (Perhaps something for makers of a new usplash to fool around with.)
[11:41] <BHSPitLappy> hmm
[11:42] <BHSPitLappy> ooh, that's a little cooler than the one from before.
[12:03] <msikma> There are some variations in that directory
[12:16] <BHSPitLappy> msikma, do you know where I could find inkspace source to a glossy CoF logo?
[12:16] <BHSPitLappy> err
[12:16] <BHSPitLappy> inkscape ***
[12:16] <BHSPitLappy> type-lexia :S
[12:17] <msikma> Hmmm
[12:17] <msikma> I'm not sure, I think that some were posted at the propose phase.
[12:18] <msikma> I just made that thing separately in raster.
[12:18] <msikma> I could upload a really large version if you like.
[02:20] <troy_s> BHSPitLappy wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official
[02:21] <troy_s> msikma nice.
[02:21] <msikma> troy_s: some tips for that radial light animation? You had ideas on where to take it.
[02:22] <troy_s> i think it is a great step in the right direction
[02:22] <troy_s> my only thought would be that you might need the light to orbit more along the trajectory of the logo in order to
[02:22] <troy_s> work at a smaller res for something say -- like a waiting mouse cursor.
[02:23] <troy_s> its pretty slick though
[02:23] <troy_s> also, and i know how you feel about this, but could you offer one up with the curve from the folder / similar to who_'s work jmak?
[02:24] <troy_s> i quite like it.  hopefully we get the 256 colour extensions into usplash.
[02:26] <sladen> troy_s: the mouse cursor... that's is an idea and might give people the idea that their machine is "responsive" and " doing somethign"
[02:27] <msikma> I'd prefer to have a spotlight aimed at the logo that lights up the background, like this: http://thingmajig.org/tmp/usplash_plus/base.png - but that's not doable with 256 colors, unfortunately.
[02:27] <msikma> That also shows off the shadow nicely.
[02:33] <troy_s> sladen yes, and i feel it is a subtle twist towards a more stylized and professional branding of the cursors.
[02:33] <troy_s> hold on msikma let me look
[02:34] <troy_s> i think the motion is quite interesting in your sample.  could you perhaps offer one with 1) smaller light source (say by about 20-30%)
[02:34] <troy_s> and perhaps a little more orbital -- slower -- more melodic
[02:36] <msikma> I'd prefer to not ease the motion in any way in this sample as it's a looping movement, but I could increase the resolution.
[02:36] <msikma> E.g. more frames
[02:37] <troy_s> is it difficult to make the light source smaller?
[02:37] <troy_s> i assume it is an alpha channel mask, no?
[02:38] <msikma> It's an overlay set as clipping mask to the original logo layer and blended as "soft light"
[02:40] <troy_s> ok i must jet out to work msikma
[02:40] <msikma> See you later
[02:40] <troy_s> so send me an email okie?
[02:40] <msikma> Okay
[02:41] <troy_s> great stuff
[02:41] <troy_s> also, try a very small version to see how it translates (just came to me) like 128 pix by 128
[02:41] <msikma> I will likely need to remake the bevel for the occasion since it scales differently.
[02:41] <troy_s> if we intend on scaling the technique, to maintin consistency, it should at least have the basic elements present at that size. (speed, orbit area, size of light, etc)
[02:41] <msikma> Smaller sizes probably need a relatively larger bevel.
[02:42] <troy_s> indeed, but the 'essence' of it would be nice to keep similar
[02:42] <troy_s> if you follow me.
[02:42] <troy_s> so just take a peep at the smaller size and see if there is anything 'glaring' that would need adjusting
[02:42] <troy_s> ok out... or else i'll be late ;)
[02:42] <msikma> yeah. I wonder if it'll work out.
[02:42] <msikma> later
[02:55] <sladen> troy_s: yes, the secret is dithereing
[02:56] <sladen> troy_s: you can still see the banding on that image.  But with dithering, you can get an apparent gradient smoother than 256 steps
[02:56] <sladen> troy_s: also you don't want the 'shadow' to be a perfect circle, it should vary in an apparently random way, like plasma
[02:56] <sladen> troy_s: I do like it though!
[02:59] <msikma> hee hee. My Wikipedia talk page got vandalized by someone who didn't like me criticizing his unconstructive edits.
[02:59] <msikma> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMsikma&diff=73937538&oldid=73937367
[03:42] <msikma> http://thingmajig.org/tmp/usplash_plus/radial-light_linearlight60_cursor.gif <-- waiting cursor
[03:42] <msikma> http://thingmajig.org/tmp/usplash_plus/radial-light_softlight_cursor.gif <-- another one
[03:56] <cbx33> hi everyone
[03:57] <msikma> hi there
[11:08] <BHSPitLappy> hi


 Just got the keys to my new place :)
[07:22] <larsu> and you?
[07:22]  * pitti s'en va, c'est l'heure de courier
[07:23] <pitti> larsu: alles gut, danke!
[07:23] <didrocks> hey larsu ;)
[07:23] <didrocks> pitti: courir
[07:23] <pitti> larsu: oh, you moved as well? seems to be the season :)
[07:23] <didrocks> pitti: courrier is the mail :)
[07:23] <larsu> morning didrocks! ça va?
[07:23] <pitti> didrocks: ah, un faux "e", merci :)
[07:23] <larsu> pitti, yep. You too?
[07:24] <pitti> didrocks: je vais commencer des lessons français bientôt :)
[07:24] <didrocks> larsu: ça va bien! How are you? Completely healthy and motivated for oyur move?
[07:24] <pitti> larsu: nah, I'm really happy where I am right now
[07:24] <didrocks> pitti: \o/ online?
[07:24]  * larsu is not online :(
[07:24] <pitti> didrocks: non, avec des vraies personnes, dans l'institut "inlingua" ici
[07:24] <larsu> internet in a couple of weeks or so
[07:24] <didrocks> seems both pitti and larsu are going to exercise now… but in different ways. One will be for the legs, the other, the arms (with optional legs if no lift and floor 3+) :)
[07:25] <didrocks> pitti: waow! courageux :)
[07:25] <pitti> didrocks: bien sûr j'aussi continue duolingo
[07:25] <didrocks> larsu: told you, do you have french ISP? :)
[07:25] <pitti> larsu: couple of weeks!
[07:26] <didrocks> the rule with ISP is "once it works, it's awesome, but first, you need to get it working…"
[07:26] <larsu> didrocks, no... there's no router thing in the basement yet. Cables still hanging from the wall :/
[07:26] <didrocks> oh, even worse then…
[07:26] <larsu> at least one of them is already connected to the apartment
[07:26] <pitti> didrocks: j'ai un rendez-vous jeudi soir là-bas, pour choisir quelle course je vais prendre
[07:26] <larsu> didrocks, totally
[07:27] <didrocks> pitti: super, c'est combien de leçons?
[07:27] <pitti> larsu: ah :) (because Telekom is really fast these days if the wiring is in place)
[07:27] <didrocks> larsu: so, the previous inhabitants didn't have any Internet?
[07:27] <pitti> didrocks: je crois 20
[07:27] <didrocks> pitti: une heure à chaque fois ?
[07:27] <larsu> pitti, yep, they were awesome. Called a couple of minutes before he arrived and was very nice
[07:27] <larsu> didrocks, they completely redid the whole place
[07:28] <pitti> didrocks: une 1.5 h leçon chaque semaine
[07:28] <larsu> new wiring and all
[07:28]  * pitti s'en va vraiment maintenant
[07:28] <didrocks> pitti: bon courage !
[07:28] <didrocks> larsu: bon courage !
[07:28] <larsu> thanks!
[07:29] <didrocks> didrocks: bon courage ! (to stay here and work alone :p)
[07:29] <larsu> haha
[07:29]  * larsu needs a table
[07:29] <didrocks> larsu: are you on 1st floor ?
[07:29] <larsu> didrocks, 3rd
[07:30] <didrocks> lift?
[07:30] <didrocks> (I never use the lift, but for moving in/out…)
[07:30] <larsu> but my stuff isn't coming until this afternoon
[07:30] <larsu> nope, no lift
[07:30] <larsu> wanna help carry?
[07:30] <didrocks> I wonder the time to arrive if you wouldn't have finished already
[07:30] <didrocks> and I know it will be great for desrt's health
[07:31] <larsu> yeah and I have 3 others in addition to desrt
[07:31] <didrocks> so, I don't want to be responsible for future health issue because he couldn't carry all boxes to the 3rd floor :)
[07:31] <larsu> (maybe 4)
[07:31] <larsu> hehe
[07:31] <didrocks> tell him I took care of his health (and greetings ;))
[07:34] <larsu> will do
[07:34] <larsu> (he's not here yet)
[07:35]  * larsu goes and finds a better place to work
[08:01] <Laney> hoi
[08:02] <didrocks> hey Laney! How was your long week-end?
[08:05] <Laney> hey didrocks
[08:05] <willcooke> Morning
[08:05] <Laney> good thanks!
[08:05] <Laney> swimming in the sea, fish and chips, beer, wine, games, food
[08:05] <larsu> hi Laney and willcooke! What's up?
[08:06] <larsu> Laney, nice!
[08:06] <Laney> \o o/
[08:06] <Laney> hey larsu
[08:06] <Laney> how's it going for you & didrocks & willcooke?
[08:06] <willcooke> is good
[08:07] <didrocks> hey willcooke!
[08:07] <larsu> Laney, got the keys to the new apartment. Moving stuff this afternoon
[08:07] <larsu> it's all great, but no internet
[08:07] <didrocks> larsu: good thanks, enjoyed swimming pool for the last days of summer
[08:07] <didrocks> now, it's raining, so not as good :)
[08:07] <larsu> didrocks, s/larsu/Laney
[08:07] <didrocks> argh ETOOMANYLA
[08:07] <didrocks> ;)
[08:07] <larsu> now someone called saying this other guy didn't do his job right
[08:07] <Laney> larsu: tethering time?
[08:07] <larsu> I have the feeling this internet thing will become a saga
[08:08] <larsu> Laney, yep. In a cafe right now because I don't even have a table yet :)
[08:08] <Laney> nice
[08:08] <Laney> are you with desrt?
[08:08] <Laney> how was the weekend thingy?
[08:09] <larsu> Laney, desrt arrives at 1 or so. Weekend was awesome. *Lots* of wine and going 20km on a draisine
[08:10]  * Laney looks up draisine
[08:10] <larsu> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eisenbahn-Draisine
[08:10] <Laney> what on earth!
[08:10] <Laney> that looks fun
[08:10] <larsu> we had a couple of those: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eisenbahn-Draisine#/media/File:Draisine-templin.jpg
[08:10] <larsu> Laney, it is! Was a bit too hot that day, but tons of fun
[08:12] <didrocks> Laney: as told yesterday, I guess this was the pre-warming for moving today :)
[08:12] <Laney> heh
[08:12] <willcooke> Sounds like Trevinho and hikiko are having fun :)
[08:12] <Laney> I've only seen those ones from american movies
[08:13] <Laney> larsu: I re-did that gdbus stuff on the train journeys btw and it works now
[08:13] <Laney> go figure :/
[08:13] <didrocks> willcooke: ah, links?
[08:13] <larsu> nice!
[08:13] <Laney> probably missed some unref or something
[08:13] <larsu> you just started from scratch?
[08:13] <Laney> yeah
[08:14] <Laney> you can look at the MP once I've renamed all the stuff if you want
[08:14] <Laney> or leave it for charles :P
[08:15] <larsu> sure I'll have a look
[08:15] <willcooke> didrocks, the rambling conversation in the telegram group
[08:15] <larsu> I'm not in that team anymore - let me know when the MR is up
[08:17] <Laney> will 'request review' from you
[08:18] <larsu> k
[08:19] <didrocks> willcooke: ah, I need to check sometimes there ;)
[08:22] <Laney> bahaha
[08:22] <Laney> listening to a radio documentary about bilingual people
[08:22] <Laney> they're interviewing a german person who is working on subtitling geordie shore
[08:23] <Laney> they played a clip (in english) and I could barely understand what they were saying
[08:23] <larsu> have we ever had problems with notify-osd leaking memory?
[08:23] <larsu> Laney, what's geordie shore?
[08:24] <Laney> i'm trying to find a youtube video
[08:25] <Laney> it's a version of an american show called jersey shore
[08:25] <larsu> ah, I've heard of that
[08:25] <larsu> some reality tv thing, right?
[08:25] <Laney> yeah
[08:26] <Laney> point was that even fully bilingual people find this one hard to comprehend
[08:26] <larsu> lol
[08:27] <Laney> HAHAHA
[08:28] <didrocks> Laney: in the past, we did, but I thought most of them were fixed once we "valgrinded" it
[08:28] <didrocks> argh
[08:28] <didrocks> larsu: ^
[08:28] <Laney> dude!
[08:28] <didrocks> once of you two have to change nickname :p
[08:28] <didrocks> weechat can't cope when both of you are speaking
[08:28] <Laney> you'd think we just did
[08:28] <Laney> not like we've both been around for years :P
[08:29] <didrocks> Laney: issue is when both of you are talking as weechat complete with the one who talked the most recently
[08:29] <didrocks> so La<tab>
[08:29] <didrocks> so, a good example: di<tab> -> one match!
[08:30] <Laney> i'm surprised that this is the first time that has been a problem though...
[08:30] <larsu> didrocks, fix your client :P
[08:30] <larsu> didrocks, I'm asking because I just found one ;)
[08:30] <Laney> use three characters to tab complete
[08:30] <Laney> or read what it offers you
[08:30] <Laney> :)
[08:30] <didrocks> Laney: reading? so outdated :p
[08:30] <larsu> Laney, xchat has this problem as well. It tab completes my own nick...
[08:31]  * larsu can't wait to get back  to irssi+screen
[08:31] <Laney> ya, poor you
[08:31] <Laney> what are you doing inside notify-osd?
[08:32] <Laney> are you fixing its hidpi stuff??? :) :) :)
[08:32] <larsu> Laney, yep
[08:32] <Laney> oh wow
[08:32] <larsu> it's a bit tricky
[08:32] <Laney> I tried to insert that into des_rt's head
[08:32] <didrocks> Laney: hence the "poor him" :)
[08:32] <Laney> but I think it fell out
[08:32] <larsu> but already I'm seeing nice and crisp notifications
[08:33] <didrocks> larsu: can you get back the red and green lines to ensure everything is alined? :)
[08:33] <larsu> didrocks, never heard of those nor seen them
[08:34] <didrocks> larsu: I guess you were not running the devel version at the time
[08:34] <larsu> maybe there's a way to turn it back on?
[08:34] <didrocks> basically, debug infos, that was only useful to the unique dev
[08:34]  * larsu will check
[08:34] <larsu> thanks for the hint
[08:34] <didrocks> but enabled to everyone "because"
[08:34] <didrocks> :)
[08:34] <larsu> lol
[08:34]  * didrocks tries to find pictures of it
[08:35] <didrocks> can't find it :/
[08:36] <larsu> vodafone is looking forward to the "personal contact" with me... weird
[08:37] <ogra_> cuddling with providers !
[08:37] <larsu> I'd prefer if they'd just answer my mail instead of sending such drivel
[08:37] <larsu> ogra_, I'd rather not :)
[08:37] <ogra_> who would !
[08:37] <ogra_> :)
[08:37] <larsu> indeed
[08:38] <larsu> I'd love if they would cuddle the end of that cable in my basement into whatever plug it needs to go :D
[08:39] <ogra_> haha
[08:46] <Trevinho> willcooke: yeah, Nice time. Also (hopefully) productive, BTW.
[08:46] <Trevinho> Then people here has this strange way to give you welcome by drinking up with you.... But well, they're the first who can't handle it :)
[08:47] <larsu> Trevinho, hi!  Will soon have irssi/screen setup again. Any comments?
[08:48] <Trevinho> larsu: so.... Well, so I noticed the side effect (opaque corners, right?)
[08:48] <larsu> yes
[08:49] <larsu> and I think if I make gtk set an argb visual, I don't get shadows anymore
[08:50] <Trevinho> larsu: you mean server shadows, right?
[08:51] <larsu> Trevinho, yes. We turned off client side shadows because we don't support frame extents
[08:51] <Trevinho> larsu: I think I got a way to recognize those windows, but I didn't enable since it wasn't needed with old-gtk, but I can test whether that is now the way
[08:51] <Trevinho> So, if you enable ARGB visual for us, then probably I can get server shadows again
[08:51] <larsu> Trevinho, please do :)
[08:52] <larsu> let me know when you have something so I can test it
[08:54] <Trevinho> larsu: that was the thing I had saved... http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12244051/
[08:54] <Trevinho> larsu: I need to check whether that apply still...
[08:54] <Trevinho> ouch
[09:52] <xnox> Laney: where did the DPI slider go from unity system settings on vivid?
[09:52] <xnox> we have high internal, low external, and the external IS REALLY BIG
[09:53] <Laney> you mean the one in Displays?
[10:04] <pitti> tjaalton: wrt. our conversation the other day, new xorg-server and other bits are still blocked on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#xcb-util causing uninstallability
[10:04] <pitti> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt shows that it apparently makes $world uninstallable
[10:20] <xnox> pitti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1490918
[10:20] <xnox> pitti: or do i need to subscribe you, for you to see?
[10:20]  * xnox ponders Laney as well.
[10:21] <xnox> Laney: pitti: please let me know if you see it https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1490918
[10:23] <pitti> xnox: I see it
[10:23] <pitti> xnox: (but I'm not ~u-desktop :) )
[10:23] <xnox> pitti: well, as ex-security and ex-desktop i think you would find it funny though ;-)
[10:23] <xnox> pitti: i wonder if it's counting the comments length.
[10:24] <pitti> xnox: yeah; not sure whether it really deserves to be called a security bug
[10:25] <xnox> pitti: i know that pgp keys generate different fingerprint based on key size, i am not sure about ssh, i.e. if one can clash checksum with different key sizes cause then there could be a spoof.
[10:26] <xnox> "yeah, this is my key on that server" when in fact it's a different one.... but yeah, i bet it is just a display/gui issue however.
[10:29] <Laney> xnox: I see it, but I think you should file upstream
[10:29] <xnox> well....
[10:30] <xnox> Laney: is it same in wily? /me is on vivid.
[10:30] <Laney> https://git.gnome.org/browse/seahorse/tree/ssh/seahorse-ssh-key-data.c#n35
[10:30] <Laney> yes
[10:30] <Laney> same
[10:37] <tjaalton> pitti: ah, ancell did that :)
[10:38] <Laney> tjaalton: looks like a transition
[10:41] <tjaalton> yes
[11:55] <tjaalton> so qt needs to be built against new xcb-util?
[11:55] <tjaalton> at least
[11:58] <Laney> whatever depends on libxcb-util0 (from memory)
[11:58] <Laney> will need to be rebuilt to pick up ...1 instead
[12:00] <tjaalton> there's a transitional package though, which was supposed to let it all work
[12:01] <Laney> for the dev package
[12:01] <Laney> for built stuff you need the rebuild to link against the new soname
[12:03] <tjaalton> indeed, so a transitional dev package is of little use :)
[12:03] <Laney> it means you don't have to change the source apart from adding a changelog entry
[12:04] <tjaalton> right, "little use"
[12:05] <Laney> haha
[12:05] <tjaalton> oh well, I'll rebuild those then
[12:05] <Laney> it depends on the size of the transition I guess
[12:05] <Laney> will you take those packaging changes into Debian so we don't diverge on the package names?
[12:05] <tjaalton> well, debian didn't like changing the dev package name..
[12:06] <tjaalton> so it's not uploaded there yet
[12:06] <Laney> ...
[12:06] <Laney> might want to undo this in ubuntu then
[12:06] <tjaalton> "I don't think we should change those package names, it's just a bunch of
[12:06] <tjaalton> work for no benefit IMO."
[12:07] <tjaalton> though now that the soname is bumped it's kinda confusing to keep the old soname in dev package
[12:09] <Laney> yeah
[12:09] <Laney> well, it's your stuff, I just advise doing it one way in D & U
[12:09] <tjaalton> *would be
[12:09] <tjaalton> yes
[12:35] <Laney> ooh
[12:35]  * Laney gets a-c_n on a patch
[12:35] <Laney> now I can try out my shiny new gnome git accoutn
[13:13] <tjaalton> shit, because of the xcb-util mess x-x-v-intel snapshot never made it to main before ffe
[13:13] <tjaalton> er, ff
[13:15] <tjaalton> I wouldn't mind lp nagging the uploader about packages that haven't migrated after a certain time
[13:15] <Laney> tjaalton: It's probably okay if it's uploaded
[13:15] <Laney> before FF, as long as it's not ages and ages
[13:16] <Laney> doko says he is doing rebuilds btw, you should coordinate with him if you are too
[13:16] <tjaalton> hmm ok
[13:45]  * Laney has done first git.gnome.org push
[13:46] <Laney> I slightly messed up using git bz
[13:46]  * Laney is now scared that continuous is going to kill me
[13:46] <Laney> s/me/him/
[14:24] <larsu> Trevinho, "ouch"? I guess it doesn't apply anymore?
[14:25] <larsu> Laney, congrats!
[14:26] <Trevinho> larsu: no sorry... I had a meeting next and then we've been taken to dinner, so I had no time to check... I'll do once back to our continent.
[14:26] <larsu> Trevinho, yeah it's not the most important thing, but I'd like to get it done this cycle
[14:26] <larsu> Trevinho, thanks and enjoy ;)
[14:27] <Trevinho> ;-)
[15:06]  * Sweet5hark takes a deep breath.
[15:06]  * Sweet5hark buckles up.
[15:06]  * Sweet5hark braces for impact.
[15:07] <Sweet5hark> seb128: please consider to upload  http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/wily/5.0.1/libreoffice_5.0.1-0ubuntu1_source.changes to wily
[15:07] <Sweet5hark> oh, no seb128. :(
[15:10]  * Sweet5hark hides, camps in a corner and patiently waits for a sponsor to show up ...
[15:11] <Sweet5hark> didrocks: didnt you sponsor LibreOffice once? Wasnt that just _awesome_? It was. Im sure.
[15:16]  * didrocks feels a trap
[15:16] <didrocks> especially when reading backlog
[15:16] <Sweet5hark> .oO(luckily we will have a meeting in 15 minutes, they cannot hide then)
[15:16] <didrocks> not sure what I should tell
[15:16] <didrocks> I remember to have maintained OpenOffice.org
[15:16] <didrocks> remembered*
[15:16] <didrocks> that wasn't so nice, even for this 6 months until you come :)
[15:17] <didrocks> I guess that libreoffice is a total other world of joy though!
[15:17] <didrocks> Sweet5hark: if you send me an email, I promise to have a look tomorrow morning :)
[15:17] <didrocks> before my eyes bleed
[15:18] <didrocks> and then, I'll be able to call it a day :p
[15:18] <Sweet5hark> hrhr
[15:20] <Sweet5hark> didrocks: awesome, thanks. Its not too urgent. Its just the first LibreOffice 5.0.x upload in wily. If anything fails, just blame me. ;)
[15:20] <didrocks> Sweet5hark: this is the usual procedure, right? ;)
[15:20] <didrocks> even for non libreoffice thingy
[15:22] <Sweet5hark> didrocks: oh yeah, feel free to blame me for whatever. As a bonus I then dont have to bother to apply for dpm rights on libreoffice anymore and can do other stuff!
[15:22]  * Sweet5hark hides.
[15:23] <didrocks> heh
[15:30] <willcooke> ding ding ding ding
[15:30]  * willcooke quickly reads scroll back
[15:30] <didrocks> dong?
[15:31] <ogra_> hells bells
[15:31] <willcooke> #startmeeting Weekly Desktop Team Meeting - 2015-09-01
[15:31] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Sep  1 15:31:22 2015 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:31] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[15:31] <willcooke> Somebody needs to do something about this relentless march of time.  September is here.
[15:31] <Laney> back to school
[15:32] <willcooke> Roll call:  andyrock, attente, desrt,  dgadomski, didrocks, fjkong (travelling), happyaron(travelling), hikiko (travelling), laney, larsu, qengho, seb128 (hols), sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevino (travelling), robert_ancell (sick)
[15:32]  * Sweet5hark waves
[15:32] <didrocks> willcooke: and teachers are on strike, everything's back to normal :)
[15:33]  * Trevinho is watching you :-)
[15:33] <dgadomski> o/
[15:33] <desrt> o/
 o/
[15:34] <willcooke> I'll give people a few mins and then we'll get started
[15:34] <larsu> thanks desrt
[15:34] <willcooke> I'm supposed to be in another meeting
[15:34] <willcooke> well, not true
[15:34] <Laney> hi desrt!!!!!
[15:34] <willcooke> I'm *supposed* to be here
[15:34] <larsu> willcooke is starting to get how this meeting works
[15:34] <larsu> s/this/the
[15:34] <Trevinho> There's NO other meeting
[15:35] <larsu> how could there be. The meeting's here.
[15:35] <willcooke> Trevinho, are you really here, or just passing through?
[15:35] <willcooke> ok, let's get started then
[15:35] <willcooke> If he's around.....
[15:36] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:36] <andyrock> Last week was all about properly fixing cube on multimonitor. This is blocking the other work I m doing on compiz to fix some regressions we had with screen resizing.
[15:36] <Sweet5hark> willcooke: its ok, just have your other meeting. we will have fun with meetingology in the meantime.
[15:36] <Trevinho> Willcooke watching... Please write in my behalf :-)
[15:36] <andyrock> Basically it all for me
[15:36] <andyrock> Basically it all for me
[15:36] <andyrock> Compiz is just to messy
[15:36] <willcooke> Thanks andyrock, just seen your mail, sorry about that
[15:36] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:36] <andyrock> Np!
[15:37] <willcooke> attente:  travelling to London and back.  EOW
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:37] <attente> i'm here...
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:37] <attente> pocket desktop sprint last week
[15:37] <attente> worked on abstracting out popup menu placement in GTK down into GDK, still in progress
[15:37] <attente> investigated clipboard support in X, details are in the meeting notes
[15:38] <attente> currently investigating requirements for keyboard layouts in Mir
[15:38] <attente> (eof)
[15:38] <willcooke> thanks attente
[15:38] <willcooke> attente, was your trip home uneventful?
[15:38] <attente> willcooke: fortunately yes :)
[15:38] <willcooke> :)
[15:38] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:39] <desrt> at larsu's now, with very bad net connectivity (so his update may be missing)
[15:39] <desrt> hanging out in file monitor land trying to clean up the mess i made
[15:39] <desrt> eof.
[15:39] <willcooke> :)
[15:39] <willcooke> Thanks desrt
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:39] <dgadomski> (un)fortunately the desktop seems still perfect - no new issues were reported to me this week
[15:39] <dgadomski> keep up the good work :) thanks
[15:39] <willcooke> \o/
[15:39] <willcooke> thanks dgadomski
[15:40] <willcooke> #topic didrocks
[15:40] <didrocks> Short week (swapping on Friday)
[15:40] <didrocks> Ubuntu Make:
[15:40] <didrocks> * Unity 3D editor experimental support. You can install it through: umake games unity3d. Only amd64 is currently supported upstream.
[15:40] <didrocks> * Fix Arduino download as upstream web pages changes. Support more release version format and ensure we don't raise an exception but only log an error.
[15:40] <didrocks> * Add license support to Android NDK.
[15:40] <didrocks> * Adapt and add large and medium tests for both Unity 3D and Android NDK.
[15:40] <didrocks> * Various enhancements to enable decompressing shell-embedded archives without copying entire files. Add corresponding tests.
[15:40] <didrocks> * Refactor Android license parsing to be reusable to future Android SDK support.
[15:40] <didrocks> * Fix a bug where if license was after the download links, we wouldn't find the license.
[15:40] <didrocks> * Better add_to_user_env API for contributors.
[15:40] <didrocks> * Minor cosmetic and small bug fixes.
[15:40] <didrocks> * Multiple contributors review. We again won a new contributor :)
[15:40] <didrocks> Ubuntu developer advocacy:
[15:40] <didrocks> * Get the example app running on phone (adding policies and various adjustement for it)
[15:40] <didrocks> * Add location support (with a way to test it on the desktop)
[15:40] <didrocks> * Add switch theme support
[15:40] <didrocks> * Cleanup for various workaround not needed due to SDK fixes or finding better workaround for some issues.
[15:40] <didrocks> * Checking qtcreator and ContentHub bug fixes related to the bug reports I opened.
[15:40] <didrocks> * Opening more bug reports on the SDK (discovered from last week, still some to open)
[15:40] <didrocks> * Discussing about Go and snappy rasperry pi 2 future dev experience evaluation.
[15:40] <didrocks> Misc:
[15:40] <didrocks> - printing stack MIR review
[15:40] <didrocks> - some sponsoring and NEWing (mostly for Mate)
[15:40] <didrocks> EOF
[15:40] <larsu> short week?
[15:40] <willcooke> awesome, thanks didrocks
[15:41] <desrt> didrocks: i don't think you're being sufficiently productive lately :(
[15:41] <desrt> larsu and i have been talking....
[15:41] <didrocks> desrt: yeah, will try to speed up :p
[15:41] <willcooke> y'all need to take a long hard look at yourselves compared to didrocks
[15:41] <willcooke> ;p
[15:41] <Sweet5hark> we need to clone didrocks
[15:41]  * larsu looks
[15:41] <larsu> meh
[15:41] <willcooke> haha
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic larsu
[15:41] <willcooke> erm
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:42] <willcooke> stupid alphabet
[15:42] <Laney> we should shuffle the order each week
[15:42] <Laney> keep people on their toes
[15:42] <Laney> • Short week due to swap day and bank holiday!
[15:42] <Laney> • Worked on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-datetime/+bug/1485659 - MP is up, reviews appreciated. Took ages to get the tests working.
[15:42] <Laney> • Visited London sprint, some chats about the X release (can't say “some chats about X” or else I'll end up working on something I dont want to...)
[15:42] <Laney> • Worked on e-d-s and evo 3.16.5, both uploaded to unstable, need to merge
[15:42] <Laney> • Did some release team work (FFe reviews)
[15:42] <Laney> • Pushed a bit more on xpathselect, got it migrated
[15:42] <Laney> • Thanks to larsu I got a GNOME git account and pushed my first patches :)
[15:42] <Laney> ☯
[15:42] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[15:42] <qengho> I love that damned package.
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic larsu
[15:43] <larsu> - finish gedit 3.16 update; refresh traditional menubar patch for 3.16 and master
[15:43] <larsu> (running it for a couple of days now - pretty nice!)
[15:43] <larsu> - style overlay buttons that are not in toolbars correctly (fixes eog buttons)
[15:44] <larsu> - work on hidpiifying notify-osd
[15:44] <larsu> which is 90% done
[15:44] <Laney> yesssssss
[15:44] <larsu> the last 10% is a bit tricky - trying to figure out *which* of the 5 million surface copies is still ×1
[15:44] <larsu> - some bugs

[15:44] <willcooke> thanks larsu
[15:45] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:45] <qengho> * Translations pump fixes for Chromium.
[15:45] <qengho> * Looked into Cr ARM64 building at customer's request. Not soon.
[15:45] <qengho> * More work on chromium/ozome/mir. Hit dead-end. Taking different tack.
[15:45] <qengho> EOF
[15:45] <willcooke> thanks qengho
[15:45] <willcooke> lets chat about plan B in our 1:1
[15:45] <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark
[15:45] <Sweet5hark> - bumped LibreOffice ppa builds to 5.0.1
[15:45] <Sweet5hark> - bumped LibreOffice docviewer builds to 5.0.1
[15:45] <Sweet5hark> - fixed test-foo on docviewer builds
[15:45] <Sweet5hark> - LibreOffice docviewer build package on armhf is now down to 44.7MB
[15:45] <Sweet5hark> - started to query about getting libreoffice-style-elementary into upstream TDF (getting the attribution/licensing stuff right)
[15:45] <Sweet5hark> - LibreOffice conference preparations: talks, orga, meetings, agendas, hotel, travel
[15:45] <Sweet5hark> - various TDF/LibreOffice board work
[15:45] <Sweet5hark> - polished LibreOffice 5.0.1 ppa build to land in wily, didrocks "volunteered" (see backlog) to sponsor in seb128s absence:
[15:45] <Sweet5hark> -- http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/wily/5.0.1/libreoffice_5.0.1-0ubuntu1_source.changes
[15:45] <Sweet5hark> -- http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/wily/5.0.1/libreoffice-l10n_5.0.1-0ubuntu1_source.changes
[15:45] <Sweet5hark> EOF
[15:46] <willcooke> thanks Sweet5hark
[15:46] <Sweet5hark> (seeing didrocks weekly report though, anyone else volunteering to sponsor is welcome)
[15:46] <willcooke> doc viewer makes apps team happy
[15:47] <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
[15:47] <willcooke> * Continued accessibility profile blog post drafting.
[15:47] <willcooke> * More work on Orca gsettings backend implementation.
[15:47] <willcooke> * Patched Orca so that it doesn't show up in the unity dash search, it should only be enabled from universal access.
[15:47] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[15:49] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Released and packaged 1.0.74 with several bug fixes in cups-browsed, including a crasher.
[15:49] <tkamppeter> - libtrio: Uploaded fixed version built with "-lm"
[15:49] <tkamppeter> - hplip: Provide Fax PPD files .gz-compressed so that hp-setup finds them.
[15:49] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[15:49] <willcooke> thanks tkamppeter
[15:50] <willcooke> tkamppeter, I will follow up with you re: printing from the phone asap - just need to clear my plate a little bit first.  But everyone on the phone side wants to see it working
[15:50] <willcooke> it'll be great to finally get it in there, complete with dialogues :)
[15:51] <tkamppeter> Great, it was already waiting for so long time.
[15:51] <didrocks> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-maverick-common-printing-dialog
[15:52] <larsu> yes!
[15:52] <willcooke> :D
[15:52] <didrocks> (2006-05-29)
[15:52] <Laney> /!\ troll /!\
[15:52] <didrocks> very long time :)
[15:52] <tkamppeter> didrocks, I was not meaning that but the "Printing with mobile in mind" blueprint.
[15:52] <willcooke> :D
[15:53] <didrocks> but you will have your unified printing dialog, so win with convergence \o/
[15:53] <willcooke> #topic any other business
[15:54] <willcooke> The marketing team want to start on the plan for 15.10
[15:54] <willcooke> So I will be asking you each to point me at a list of things which I can distil down in to high level marketing style items
[15:55] <willcooke> I'll follow up on email
[15:56] <willcooke> Oh, and also:  I'm going for Ubuntu membership on Thursday night
[15:56] <qengho> Woot!
[15:56] <didrocks> good luck! :)
[15:56] <willcooke> If you feel like writing a testimonial:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WillCooke
[15:57] <willcooke> any other bidnezz?  Going in 1 min....
[15:58] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[15:58] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Sep  1 15:58:42 2015 UTC.
[15:58] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2015/ubuntu-desktop.2015-09-01-15.31.moin.txt
[15:58] <willcooke> thanks all
[15:58] <didrocks> thanks!
[15:59] <Sweet5hark> thanks
[16:03] <Trevinho> larsu: ah cool to read about notify osd, I actually had on my list, so thanks... However are you using the unity (per monitor) scaling factor there?
[16:04] <larsu> Trevinho, no, I'm using what GtkWidget returns - that should always be correct, no?
[16:06] <Trevinho> Larsu well unfortunately no... As we might change it in gtk settings, and also it's a integer scaling value. However, I can also look at this later, since I wanted to refactor the way we save settings
[16:07] <Trevinho> (per eedid, not per output)
[16:07] <larsu> Trevinho, ya, please have a look once I'm done - the hard part is getting it to render right, not getting the correct scaling factor
[16:08] <larsu> that's only in one place in the patch
[16:08] <Laney> You want to make it depend on unity?
[16:08] <larsu> Trevinho does
[16:08] <Trevinho> Larsu yeah... I know that... I've been there. No worries.
[16:09] <Laney> that's the you
[16:09] <Trevinho> Laney: no the dependency is in another package that has the setting only
[16:09]  * larsu felt spoken to
[16:09] <Laney> but who sets it?
[16:10] <Trevinho> Unity Control center
[16:10] <larsu> "great"
[16:11] <Trevinho> And eventually something that reads data from monitor and figure it out the best value on first connection
[16:13] <Trevinho> Laney: Also, as you know... Settings might be optional. So if a key is not available we can just fallback oh the gtk widget value
[16:13] <Trevinho> So, no worries about this...
[16:14] <Laney> ya, it should be done like that
[16:16] <Trevinho> Nice... That was my plan.
[16:16] <Laney> but please don't block larsu's stuff on you fixing this
[16:16] <Laney> you can follow up with that change later
[16:16] <Trevinho> Not at all!
[16:16] <Trevinho> I will do it layer
[16:17] <Trevinho> Later
[16:17] <Laney> sweet
[16:21] <Trevinho> Ok. Bed time... Tomorrow Changsha tour (wich by the way has some impressive places. Time Square has probably half lights compared to their - unknown to the world - central square)
[16:25] <Laney> how hot is it?
[16:25] <Laney> when we were there it was like 40°
[16:58] <Laney> bye!
[17:10] <Trevinho> Laney: Oh..  And drinking hot green tea doesn't help much (although they support this) :-)
[17:10] <Trevinho> Ad - > as
[17:17] <willcooke> g'night all


[11:43]  * eliasps waves
[18:10] <eliasps> Hi everyone. I got a question
[18:10] <eliasps> Does anyone else have any issue with multiple keyboard layouts on Ubuntu GNOME 14.10 with GNOME 3.14.1 from the gnome3-staging ppa?
[18:11] <eliasps> I have added greek, but when I hit super space or alt shift even though the layout indicator switches normally, the input language doesn't. It's english no matter what.
[18:12] <eliasps> Tried this one (same problem as it seems): http://askubuntu.com/questions/544183/ubuntu-gnome-14-10-cant-use-multiple-languages . Didn't work for me.
[18:24] <Guest24066> my property of system is :  intel pentium dual core  and RAM : 1.5 Gb     can i install on my system  ubuntu-gnome 14.04 ?
[18:36] <eliasps> The language issue was fixed by installing a different version of gnome-settings-daemon: bug 1385844
[18:36] <ubot5`> bug 1385844 in Ubuntu GNOME "Not possible to switch keyboard layout through gnome-shell" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1385844
[20:40] <darkxst> eliasps, is bug 1318673 exist with the modified gnome-settings-daemon?
[20:40] <ubot5`> bug 1318673 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu Trusty) "Modifier-only input switching with non-latin keyboard layouts has no effect under GNOME Shell" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1318673
[22:07] <eliasps> darkxst No, after installing the gnome-settings-daemon the bug doesn't exist (sorry for the delayed answer, I wasn't on my computer)
[22:09] <eliasps> Ι can switch layouts using both combinations
[23:42] <LinDol> hi all
[23:42] <LinDol> good morning :)