[14:41] <cjp256> Anyone ever see a `__init__() got an unexpected keyword argument 'strict' ` during a readurl() call for 18.04 image with cloud-init v. 22.1-14-g2e17a0d6-0ubuntu1~18.04.3?  Not many objects that have a strict parameter in that path. IPv4Network, JSONDecoder, and some urllib3 objects.  urllib3 drops a strict parameter in v2, but that hasn't been released yet.
[15:37] <blackboxsw> cjp256: haven't seen that error to date.  So this is requests calling HTTPConnectionPool with a strict param under the hood from our url_helper.readurl() call then right and the requests.Session.request passing a strict param to urllib3 which is no longer supported in v2? From the looks of docstrings in connectionpool.py was strict param has silently been ignored since py3....
[15:37] <blackboxsw> Does this seems like dependency version mismatch? As in requests version needs to update to support urllib3 v2?
[15:40] <cjp256> it's my best guess as I can't repro, though I'm not sure why anyone would install urllib3 v2 yet :D i've asked for more info
[15:44] <blackboxsw> well from https://urllib3.readthedocs.io/en/latest/v2-roadmap.html ......   "We’re maintaining 99% functional API compatibility to make the migration an easy choice for most users. Migration from v1.x to v2.x should be the simplest major version upgrade you’ve ever completed."   :)
[15:44] <blackboxsw> so.... why not? :) the website said easy
[15:45] <blackboxsw> hiya aciba90 welcome. sorry it's been a busy release week for Ubuntu 22.04 Jammy. we are a bit behind on the PR review queue.


[15:58] <slyon> o/
[15:59] <sil2100> o/
[16:00] <ginggs> o/
[16:00] <juliank> o/
[16:01] <ogayot> o/
[16:01] <schopin> o/
[16:02] <bdrung> \o
[16:03] <sil2100> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
[16:03] <meetingology> Meeting started at 16:03:24 UTC.  The chair is sil2100.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
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[16:03] <sil2100> The weekly status is here:
[16:04] <sil2100> #link https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-24-november-2022/32439
[16:04] <sil2100> Let's spend a moment to read status
[16:06] <sil2100> #topic Release incoming bugs
[16:07] <sil2100> #link https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ll-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[16:07] <sil2100> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1396379
[16:07] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 1396379 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "installer uses first EFI system partition found even when directed otherwise" [High, Confirmed]
[16:09] <sil2100> I think this might be only related to ubiquity, so I don't think we'll be looking into that
[16:11] <sil2100> Ok, assigned it to juliank
[16:11] <sil2100> Since there's an MP we might be able to just merge and get it fixed
[16:11] <sil2100> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1982791
[16:11] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 1982791 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "An EoL release cannot dist-upgrade if not all updates are installed and the release has been archived to old-releases" [High, Triaged]
[16:13] <sil2100> Ok, subscribed foundations-bugs to it
[16:15] <sil2100> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-raspi/+bug/1993120
[16:15] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 1993120 in gcc-12 (Ubuntu Kinetic) "armhf kernel compiled with gcc-12 fails to boot on pi 3/2" [Undecided, New]
[16:16] <juliank> this is a kernel bug afaict
[16:16] <sil2100> This seems like fixed already in the kernel
[16:16] <sil2100> Is there anything to do from the gcc-12 POV?
[16:16] <sil2100> Doesn't feel like it
[16:16] <juliank> Put that in a comment and let's revisit next week
[16:17] <sil2100> Done!
[16:17] <sil2100> #link https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-kk-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[16:18] <sil2100> There's one
[16:18] <sil2100> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/1842439
[16:18] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 1842439 in apport (Ubuntu Focal) "apport-gtk crashed with SIGSEGV in _gtk_settings_get_screen(settings=0x0) from gtk_css_value_icon_theme_compute() from gtk_css_static_style_compute_value()" [High, Triaged]
[16:18] <sil2100> Guess that's in progress, right?
[16:18] <bdrung> the desktop team looked at it during the engineering sprint
[16:19] <sil2100> Okay, let's leave it in their hands, as people mentioned it's more of an gtk issue
[16:19] <sil2100> #link https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[16:20] <sil2100> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-drivers-common/+bug/1965094
[16:20] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 1965094 in ubuntu-drivers-common (Ubuntu) "'Additional Drivers' application crashes on startup" [High, Confirmed]
[16:20] <sil2100> Okay, this seems more of a ubuntu-drivers-common thing, so it's on Alberto's plate?
[16:20] <sil2100> I'd just leave it for him to follow up
[16:21] <slyon> yes, Alberto is assigned to the bug
[16:21] <sil2100> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fonts-dejavu/+bug/1992369
[16:21] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 1992369 in gnome-font-viewer (Ubuntu) "DejaVu Serif Italic capital letters and digits broken" [Low, Confirmed]
[16:22] <sil2100> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1991533
[16:22] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 1991533 in update-manager (Ubuntu Jammy) "ubuntu-security-status should call pro-security-status as soon as it is available" [Undecided, Triaged]
[16:23] <sil2100> Someone needs to review those
[16:23] <sil2100> So I think it's on bdmurray's plate to take a look at the SRU MPs
[16:23] <sil2100> I'll assign him to those
[16:25] <sil2100> Ok, let's stop here
[16:25] <sil2100> Normally we're looking at proposed-migration
[16:25] <sil2100> But uh, I think we're still not in the state to look at that
[16:25] <sil2100> So SKIP!
[16:25] <sil2100> Let's leave it up to the +1 maintenance people ;p
[16:26] <sil2100> #topic AOB
[16:26] <sil2100> Some people are off on Friday, but I think most are back next week
[16:26] <sil2100> Any other business? Are we good?
[16:27] <schopin> I'm off next Monday
[16:27] <sil2100> o/
[16:27] <sil2100> Okay, thank you everyone!
[16:27] <juliank> I'm back tuesday
[16:27] <sil2100> #endmeeting
[16:27] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 16:27:51 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2022/ubuntu-meeting.2022-11-24-16.03.moin.txt
[16:28] <schopin> o/


[02:25] <StephaneCharette> Just received my first arm7 beagleboard.  Looking to install Ubuntu Server 15.04 on it.
[02:25] <StephaneCharette> found this page, but this leaves me more confused than anything:  http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:Ubuntu_On_BeagleBone_Black
[02:26] <StephaneCharette> are there obvious steps to follow somewhere to get Ubuntu server installed on arm7 beaglebone?
[04:59] <StephaneCharette> Just tried using Debian that comes with my BeagleBoardBlack, but this isn't going to cut it.  Everything is too old.  Someone here know how to install Ubuntu 15.04 on BeagleBoard Black Arm7 devices?
[13:07] <jkridner> StephaneCharette: did you google it and find https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/start/ ?
[13:58] <StephaneCharette> yes, I did find that yesterday.  The problem is all the instructions I found just explain how to get images onto the micro sd card.  Nowhere does anyone explain how to get the Ubuntu image onto the built-in memory.


[01:25] <mdke> ooooooooh
[07:31] <onkarshinde> I have a concern about content of DapperFlight7 page on wiki
[07:31] <onkarshinde> anybody in here?
[07:31] <rob> yes
[07:31] <robitaille> yes
[07:32] <robitaille> what
[07:32] <robitaille> what's your concern?
[07:33] <onkarshinde> the text 'Previous Flight (Alpha Release) Tours' gives impression that Flight 7 is alpha release. Whereas there are already two beta releases done.
[07:34] <robitaille> that's a good point.  I'm not sure why this release wasn't called Beta 3...
[07:35] <onkarshinde> I guess Flight 7 is not officially announced yet. May be at the time of announcement someone should take care of removing confusing stuff.
[07:36] <robitaille> Matt Galvin (mgalvin) is the person who writes these announcements
[07:37] <onkarshinde> I had thought of putting comment on the page. But then I saw that I should make suggestions here.
[07:39] <mgalvin> i am still working on it
[07:39] <mgalvin> its just a draft and is just a copy of the previous tour
[07:39] <rob> is Ubuntu chaning from OOo to Abiword/Gnome Office?
[07:39] <mgalvin> no
[07:40] <mgalvin> ooo will be used since it is a full well known office suite
[07:40] <robitaille> rob:  not that I know.  Is there a rumour to that effect?
[07:40] <rob> robitaille, no just reading that wiki page
[07:40] <rob> xubuntu has abiword, much faster
[07:41] <mgalvin> i only mention it there b/c it is new and available and is a possible alternative
[07:41] <mgalvin> onkarshinde: please feel free to make suggestion or improvements
[07:42] <rob> actually, I replaced my Archlinux install using bleeding edge XFCE4 with xubuntu today
[07:42] <onkarshinde> IMHO, abiword shouldn't go there. Fspot is okay since it is quite good from what I heard and there is no better alternative to it.
[07:42] <mgalvin> i am ok with taking it off... i only mentioned it b/c is new since the last release...
[07:43] <mgalvin> these tours cover the incremental improvements between the releases
[07:43] <rob> I wish there was a decent Rufus package
[07:44] <mgalvin> there is not a lot to cover per say in this tour so i was playing with the idea of mentioning additional new stuff like abiword and the others
[07:44] <onkarshinde> mgalvin: you are right about incremental improvements. Just one question, will abiword, fspot and banshee be installed by default?
[07:44] <rob> so much lighter then that other Java bittorrent client (mmm python goodness)
[07:44] <mgalvin> onkarshinde: no, they are not installed by default
[07:48] <mgalvin> onkarshinde: its 2am here so i will not be working on the page tonight, please feel free to make any improvements if you would like to
[07:48] <onkarshinde> Looks like, abiword has moved to main from universe in dapper. Where as banshee, f-spot are still in universe.
[07:49] <mgalvin> abiword is in main b/c it is a "standard" part of GNOME
[07:49] <mgalvin> Ubuntu just doesn't install it by default b/c we use ooo
[07:50] <onkarshinde> Ok. I am on dialup in my hometown and I don't want to put much of my time now. I will do it when I go to my worktown tomorrow (when I am on broadband).
[07:50] <onkarshinde> mgalvin: Take good sleep. Good night.
[07:51] <mgalvin> onkarshinde: sounds good, thanks, good night :)
[09:57] <ivoks> hi
[09:57] <ivoks> anyone around?
[09:58] <ivoks> there's a bug in documentation; wrong informations
[09:58] <ivoks> if file has a write flag, it doesn't mean it can be deleted
[09:58] <ivoks> just changed
[09:58] <dsas> ivoks: Which piece of documentation was this in?
[09:58] <ivoks> desktopguide
[09:59] <ivoks> line 138.
[09:59] <ivoks> (i'm translating it)
[10:01] <dsas> ok found it, it's the directory that needs the write bit, isn't it?
[10:01] <ivoks> right
[10:01] <ivoks> other things are ok
[10:02] <ivoks> just remove "or deleted"
[10:02] <ivoks> file can be edited (period) :)
[10:03] <dsas> Ok, I'll mail the others and see if they want to break string freeze. Thanks for pointing out the problem.
[10:03] <ivoks> np
[10:04] <ivoks> btw... i really like desktopguide
[10:04] <ivoks> it's nice to see we are trying to teach users some basics
[10:04] <ivoks> like, what's which dir for, permissons...
[10:07] <ivoks> one more thing...
[10:07] <ivoks> Most things in Linux can be done using the command line, although there are graphical tools for most programs, sometimes they are just not enough.
[10:07] <ivoks> isn't this missleading?
[10:07] <dsas> How so?
[10:07] <ivoks> on first look, it looks like command line isn't enough.
[10:08] <ivoks> or is it just me? :)
[10:08] <ivoks> i'll split that in two sentences in my lang...
[10:09] <dsas> Uhm, it reads ok for me, saying graphical problems aren't enough.
[10:09] <dsas> s/problems/programs
[10:10] <ivoks> yeah... it's just me
[10:11] <dsas> ok, thanks for your comments ivoks, hopefully next release we'll get more people to proof check before we release to translation teams.
[10:12] <dsas> out of interest which language are you translating to?
[10:12] <ivoks> croatian
[10:12] <ivoks> we are having huge two week marathon :)
[10:13] <dsas> Good luck, did you read that any 100% translated documents will be made available to buy in hard copy?
[10:13] <ivoks> yes
[10:13] <dsas> though not sure what the shipping cost to croatia would be :)
[10:14] <ivoks> well, i don't think it will be that much
[10:14] <ivoks> we are allready ordering books from all over the world
[10:14] <ivoks> :)
[10:15] <dsas> ahh cool.
[10:23] <ivoks> i found another one, if interested :)
[10:23] <dsas> ivoks: sure.
[10:24] <ivoks> You can also use wildcards to match one or more files, such as "*" (for all files) or "?" (to match one character).
[10:24] <ivoks> this is all correct
[10:24] <ivoks> but are we talking about files (then ? would be filenema with one char) or characters (where * would be numerus chars)?
[10:26] <dsas> Ok, that sentance needs to be made clearer...
[10:28] <ivoks> yup :)
[10:29] <dsas> You can also use wildcards to match one or more files, such as "*" (for any number of characters) or "?" (to match one character).
[10:29] <dsas> would that be much better?
[10:30] <ivoks> that's how I translated it
[01:45] <WaterSevenUb> and all the other contributors:)
[01:50] <mdke> WaterSevenUb: you are welcome. Nice work on the translating :)
[02:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> will the docteam be moving to docbook 5 or staying with 4.2?
[02:28] <mdke> Kamping_Kaiser: we haven't discussed it. But since Ubuntu's version is 4.4, it's unlikely that we will move yet, i suppose
[02:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> i just noticed its out, so i thought i would ask
[02:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> mmm. docbook. love it or hate it, usualy in the space of 5 minutes
[03:44] <arekmenner> Hello, chums.
[03:53] <arekmenner> Hallo.
[03:54] <dsas> Hallo
[04:43] <arekmenner> Hey.
[04:44] <mdke> hello
[06:42] <highvoltage> what's the url for ubuntu enterprise edition (or more info linkin to it)?
[06:47] <dsas> highvoltage: What do you mean by enterprise edition?
[06:48] <highvoltage> dsas: the edition that will be supported for 3 years on desktop, and 5 years on server
[06:49] <dsas> highvoltage: Oh, that's the next release Ubuntu 6.06 LTS.
[06:49] <highvoltage> yep
[06:50] <highvoltage> i found http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases, which more or less answers my question
[06:50] <dsas> not exactly the easiest thing to find perhaps.


[00:02] <jderose> infinity: hmm, something seems screwy with the daily 14.04.4 server ISO (amd64): has the 3.19 kernel installed, still has proposed enabled
[00:02] <wxl> jderose: only amd64?
[00:02] <wxl> jderose: and is that what you see in live, in an installed version, or both?
[00:02] <jderose> wxl: not sure, amd64 is all i tested (that all system76 uses at the moment)
[00:03] <jderose> wxl: currently i'm looking at the installation... just found this. i'm about done for the day, so i'll have to investigate more tomorrow.
[00:04] <wxl> jderose: k. i know infinity has another respin in the queue, so you might wait until you see a new version
[00:04] <jderose> wxl: sounds good, thanks!
[00:05] <wxl> jderose: weird that you're seeing 3.19, too. it's not even in trusty-proposed.
[00:06] <wxl> well according hto the bots at least
[00:06] <cjwatson> wxl: linux-lts-vivid
[00:07] <cjwatson> you might be looking for just linux
[00:07] <wxl> ahh right
[00:07] <cjwatson> (are we actually releasing with the hwe-v kernel?  I've not been much involved in 14.04.4 ...)
[00:21] <infinity> jdstrand: Err, that really shouldn't have 3.19...
[00:23] <infinity> Oh, he left and I hilighted the wrong person.
[07:52] <jderose> infinity: never mind what i said earlier about the 14.04.4 daily server ISO... i somehow must have been testing with the wrong image from our imaging server or something... everything in fact seems shiny with the 14.04.4 server ISO
[07:54] <flocculant> jderose: unless you're now testing the new new iso - and the old new one had an issue :)
[07:54] <jderose> flocculant: maybe so :)
[07:54] <flocculant> :)
[07:55] <flocculant> I'm going to not look at this one until Thursday - just in case there's a new new new one lol
[07:56] <jderose> flocculant: generally the final iso will be the one built on wednesday... so if you want to help test, please at least test on wednesday rather than waiting till thursday :)
[07:56] <flocculant> jderose: I'm joking - I'd find it hard to push my testers if I had put my feet up :)
[07:57] <jderose> haha
[08:16] <infinity> flocculant: I'm kinda hoping this is the last one unless something major pops up.
[08:16] <flocculant> infinity: :)
[08:16] <infinity> jderose: Good to hear, since I couldn't figure out what you were talking about. :)
[08:16] <jderose> infinity: at further inspection, i can't figure out what i was talking about either :)
[08:18] <infinity> jderose: Happy to chalk it up to temporary insanity.
[08:35] <jderose> infinity: /etc/lsb-release still says 14.04.3... is that expected? this is from a desktop 20160216 install i just did
[09:06] <infinity> jderose: Oh, crap.  Yeah, there'll be one more respin for base-files tomorrow. :P
[09:07] <jderose> infinity: cool, glad i happened to notice that
[13:10] <flocculant> jderose: bug 1544592 :)
[13:10] <ubot5`> bug 1544592 in lsb (Ubuntu) "lsb_release not upgraded to 14.04.4 - papercut bug" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1544592
[18:08] <jderose> infinity: i did see that queuebot disapproved base-files... just in case you didn't notice. mostly i'm just rearing to test more ISOs :P
[18:30] <Trevinho> Hey, this silo (https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/999) is failing because a component has no valid dependency on an arch... https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/xenial/landing-040/excuses.html
[18:31] <Trevinho> The thing is unity never built on s390x (because also nux has troubles, on tests IIRC).. So, generally this an error that is ignored
[18:31] <Trevinho> how to do to that?
[18:33] <Trevinho> Laney: do you happen to know this? ^
[19:01] <apw> Trevinho, in the normal -proposed work that might be hintable, but if you know it can never build you also could remove the dep on that arch
[20:02] <infinity> jderose: Looks accepted to me.  I'm respinning for it shortly, after looking at a potential server issue.
[23:38] <bdmurray> infinity: do you have plans to fix base-files? bug 1544592
[23:38] <ubot5`> bug 1544592 in base-files (Ubuntu) "lsb_release not upgraded to 14.04.4 - papercut bug" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1544592
[23:39]  * bdmurray sees the change now
[23:45] <infinity> bdmurray: Yeah, iz fixed, you can manually close the bug.
[23:46] <bdmurray> infinity: I did like 5 minutes ago. ;-)
[23:46] <infinity> bdmurray: Ta.


[11:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- RikMills, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3997 Diff missing (focal/krita). Ready to build (focal/qt-gstreamer)
[23:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4055 Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination
[23:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4083 No packages are being considered! If you are preparing sources manually, please upload them to the PPA now
[23:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4083 Ready to build


[09:08] <rmg51> Morning
[09:15] <JonathanD> Morning.
[12:04] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys and everything else
[13:08]  * adom yawns at 9am.
[15:42]  * ChinnoDog yawns at 11:47am
[15:43] <ChinnoDog> My server clock is 3 minutes faster than my laptop clock. hmm
[15:45] <ChinnoDog> just ran ntpdate. Will find out which clock is off.
[15:46] <waltman> Or you could just run ntpd on both boxes :)
[15:47] <waltman> It was 11:42 when you said it was 11:47, so maybe both clocks are off
[15:48] <ChinnoDog> Maybe your clock is slow
[15:48] <waltman> no, because I *am* running ntpd.
[15:48] <ChinnoDog> I'm not sure ntp.ubuntu.com works
[15:48] <ChinnoDog> I feel like in the past it wouldn't work for me
[15:49] <waltman> also I have the same time on linux, osx and win7 :)
[15:49] <waltman> is ntpd running?
[15:51] <ChinnoDog> I was right. ntp.ubuntu.com didn't work
[15:51] <ChinnoDog> Now my server clock says 11:51
[15:51] <ChinnoDog> I used us.pool.ntp.org
[15:52] <ChinnoDog> It is not running on the server. On Windows it syncs with the domain clock and changing it to sync with ntp is dangerous.
[15:54] <waltman> is the server linux or windows?
[16:14] <ChinnoDog> linux
[16:15] <jedijf> ahhhh, watermelon
[16:17] <jedijf> anytime...3 minutes early or late
[16:27] <ChinnoDog> stop being late jedijf
[17:35] <MutantTurkey> seriously I've been emailing someone repeatedly (liike bumping once a week) since may 10th
[17:35] <MutantTurkey> still
[17:35] <MutantTurkey> they haven't solved an issue on their end of the software.
[17:36] <pleia2> ChinnoDog: I've never had a problem with ubuntu time servers, are you sure ntpd is running?
[17:37] <pleia2> (it's different than ntpdate, and you can't set time with ntpdate if ntpd is running)
[17:47] <ChinnoDog> pleia2: I always have trouble with Ubuntu time servers and ntpd is not running. When I tried to use the Ubuntu time server the process launched and nothing happened. When I used us.pool.ntp.org it updated with a few seconds.
[17:48] <ChinnoDog> I can ping the time server, it just doesn't always give me the time.
[17:48]  * ChinnoDog shrugs
[17:51] <ChinnoDog> latency is only 87ms to ntp.ubuntu.com. I thought the ntp server might have a low TTL set since that is a really short hop that doesn't seem likely.
[17:52] <ChinnoDog> s/\ since/\.\ Since/
[17:52] <ChinnoDog> I'm not positive I escaped those characters correctly
[17:53] <MutantTurkey> ChinnoDog: really depends on what you are using
[17:53] <MutantTurkey> sed?
[17:54] <MutantTurkey> vim and sed have different escape rules iirc
[17:57] <ChinnoDog> I didn't realize that.  My condo is getting foreclosed on.
[20:29] <pleia2> you rent, right?
[20:29] <ChinnoDog> I'm hoping to get another unit in this building. It is on the top floor but also $300/mo more expensive.
[20:29] <ChinnoDog> Yes
[20:29]  * pleia2 nods
[20:30] <ChinnoDog> The one upstairs does have a pretty nice view though
[20:30] <pleia2> view++
[20:30] <ChinnoDog> It isn't a $300 view but it is nice.
[20:31] <MutantTurkey> 300 bucks is a lot for a view
[20:37] <ChinnoDog> Yea. This building is the tallest in the immediate vicinity though and it is on a hill.
[20:38] <pleia2> my condo doesn't have a view, but it does have a roof deck that has a view
[20:50] <ChinnoDog> My roof deck has a view but I haven't co-opted it into a coworking space yet.
[20:50] <pleia2> hehe
[20:51] <pleia2> tips: wear a hat and have a laptop with a bright screen
[20:51] <ChinnoDog> There are tables with umbrellas
[20:51] <pleia2> ah, that's better than a hat
[20:57] <ChinnoDog> I don't think there are any outlets though
[21:00] <pleia2> there are some outlets on my roof, but I don't tend to spend more than 3 hours up there so batteries last
[22:31] <ChinnoDog> My battery doesn't last 3 hours. :-(
[22:54] <ChinnoDog> Isn't this the technological future we had all been waiting for? Where is my nuclear laptop battery?