[11:58] <sillyslux> https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2018/oct/06/banksy-sothebys-auction-prank-leaves-art-world-in-shreds-girl-with-balloon
[12:03] <sillyslux> https://consequenceofsound.files.wordpress.com/2018/10/bankys-painting-self-destructs.png?w=807
[12:06] <sillyslux> originalna vijest na www.theartnewspaper.com is currently unable to handle this request.HTTP ERROR 503
[14:07] <jelly> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5xSxGhlHfc
[14:07] <datase> ^ YouTube :: Los Colorados - Du Hast (Official Rammstein Cover) :: Duration: 04:10 :: Views: 4,601,976 uploaded by LosColoradosBand :: 47,264 likes :: 3,862 dislikes :: 0 favorites


[07:08] <doko> seb128: your (sponsored?) libraw ftbfs on ppc64el. dropped smbols diff?
[07:36] <seb128> doko, hey, we didn't have symbols changes, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/470511040/libraw_0.19.5-1build1_0.19.5-1ubuntu1.diff.gz was our delta and it got merged in Debian ... do you understand why you toolchain is producing symbols different from Debian now?
[07:36] <seb128> why our toolchain*
[07:39] <doko> seb128: GCC 9 -> GCC 10, the package was last updated in April. "now"? Ubuntu is building with -O3 on ppc64el from the start
[07:41] <seb128> doko, well, that package was in sync and there was no issue previous cycles so 'now' yes
[07:41] <seb128> I'm unsure how to properly handle those cases
[07:41] <seb128> having to diverge the packages for cpp symbols difference on some archs is really annoying
[08:10] <doko> seb128: mark them as optional, forward the patch to Debian. you should be able to reproduce on amd64 with -O3 as well
[08:44] <seb128> doko, I'm not going to be able to work on that this week with feature freeze, I will poke at it next week if it's still unresolved
[15:11] <seb128> hum, I did a bunch of retries of https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=hirsute&arch=ppc64el&package=netplan.io&trigger=network-manager/1.28.0-2ubuntu2 this week but nothing is showing up on https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/n/netplan.io/hirsute/ppc64el
[15:11] <seb128> which is the last blocker for network-manager to migrate
[15:12] <seb128> does anyone know what's going on there?
[15:13] <Laney> It usually means they are considered to be infrastructure failures but aren't and should be recorded as real failures
[15:13] <Laney> You can see them running on /running so the retries weren't really necessary
[15:13] <Laney> let me see if there's a log
[15:14] <seb128> thx
[15:14] <Laney> they are always failing like:
[15:14] <Laney>                                                                                Err:1 http://ftpmaster.internal/ubuntu hirsute/universe ppc64el wireguard-tools ppc64el 1.0.20200827-1ubuntu1
[15:14] <Laney>                                                                                Temporary failure resolving 'ftpmaster.internal'
[15:15] <Laney>                                                                                E: Failed to fetch http://ftpmaster.internal/ubuntu/pool/universe/w/wireguard/wireguard-tools_1.0.20200827-1ubuntu1
[15:15] <Laney>                                                                                E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[15:15] <Laney> so I guess one of the earlier tests is breaking the system somehow
[15:15] <Laney> let's see, maybe I can tweak things so it fails, it is going to be a failure though
[15:15] <seb128> that log is dns resolving error?
[15:15] <seb128> is that something to raise to IS ?
[15:16] <Laney> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dbnM4MgVxc/
[15:16] <Laney> I doubt it, not if it happens 100% of the time
[15:16] <Laney> that says to me that something breaks the testbed, it's highly likely to be guest side
[15:18] <ed_> speculation is that there's something added in rust-libc in proposed that isn't in sid, would anyone mind taking a look and see what the difference is please?
[15:19] <seb128> Laney, any idea who would be the right person to flag the issue to?
[15:20] <Laney> seb128: no idea, maybe slyo_n could try to reproduce as a first thing?
[15:20] <seb128> xnox? slyon ?
[15:20] <seb128> k, thanks!
[15:20] <Laney> hopefully happens with canonistack too
[15:20] <seb128> Laney, could you make network-manager migrate meanwhile? ;)
[15:21] <seb128> I would like to upload another one before ff but ideally after that one migrates
[15:21] <slyon> seb128: currently in a meeting. Will have a look soon!
[15:21] <seb128> slyon, thanks!
[15:22] <xnox> seb128:  sorry, not sure about the context, what is your question to me in this channel?
[15:23] <seb128> xnox, some update is causing 'Temporary failure resolving 'ftpmaster.internal' errors for netplan.io/ppc64el/hirsute tests
[15:23] <seb128> I'm trying to figure out who would be the right person to have an idea about that
[15:23] <Laney> seb128: I dunno, how do we know it's not broken, did you confirm that the same bug happens with netplan in release without the new n-m?
[15:24] <seb128> Laney, no, I guess there is no being lazy there? !:-(
[15:24] <xnox> seb128:  i thought, that networking is funny on that arch, i thought you would not be able to get to ftpmaster.internal there.... but i guess it was working before?
[15:24] <seb128> I can't squeeze debugging of that before ff though, I will just upload the new n-m without waiting for that one to migration I guess
[15:25] <seb128> xnox, https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/n/netplan.io/hirsute/ppc64el has some successful tests yes, also now retries don't even make it to the webpage as failing
[15:25] <seb128> see backlog here just before my ping
[15:25] <Laney> Just wait a bit for the logs to show up
[15:25] <Laney> Once I fix it it will fail and then you might be able to see that
[15:27] <xnox> seb128:  systemd	247.1-4ubuntu1 is last successful run; and now systemd is at 247.3-1ubuntu2
[15:27] <seb128> Laney, ah ok, thanks
[15:27] <xnox> seb128:  i would like casually mention rbalint and like mention maybe resolved is b0rked on ppc64el in hirsute-release.....
[15:28] <Laney> hahah
[15:28]  * xnox !myteam
[15:28] <Laney> everyone just pings each other until all developers are involved
[15:28] <rbalint> xnox, eh :-)
[15:28] <seb128> :-)
[15:28] <Laney> then we'll be like "wait"
[15:28] <Laney> "did someone try running the bloody thing yet?"
[15:36] <Laney> k, well after those run again they should fail now, might be a little while
[15:36] <rbalint> Laney, are systemd test running on big VMs? asking for a friend in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1915126/comments/12
[15:40] <Laney> rbalint: nope (you can see the flavor at the top of autopkgtest logs); last I tried it the fsckd test was still failing most of the time so it wouldn't have helped
[15:40] <Laney> comment #10 in that same bug
[15:46] <Laney> is this better now with ubuntu2?
[15:50] <slyon> xnox: rbalint: so is resolved kaputt on hirsute-release/ppc64el? Do I need to investigate further, like reproducing on canonistack or is the problem already known?
[15:51] <xnox> slyon:  i wash my hands of all of that. =) i'm busy doing merges for the Freeze Eve =)
[15:51] <Laney> I think someone needs to reproduce it yeah
[15:52] <slyon> okay
[15:52]  * slyon spinning up canonistack
[15:53] <Laney> slyon: It looks like resolving works for a bit
[15:53] <Laney> and then it fails later on, so I dunno what happens which makes it break
[15:53] <slyon> yeah.. And the same tests work on all other architectures :-/
[15:54] <Laney> it's ok, this is the kind of thing that keeps food on the table :>
[15:54] <Laney> (software engineering, a giant money making scam!)
[15:54] <slyon> hehe
[16:02] <ItzSwirlz> bdmurray: hello
[16:02] <ItzSwirlz> yes i got your email about the regression
[16:02] <ItzSwirlz> It would help if how about because i'm the person who made the patch I could like.. be able to view the errors lol
[16:02] <ItzSwirlz> i'm trying to apply for a packageset but can't without sponsors and i don't have perms to view errors, i just submitted the form, can someone help lol
[16:07] <bdmurray> I've added you
[16:08] <rbalint> Laney, i've also left a comment on LP: #1915126 reviewing the last runs
[16:09] <rbalint> Laney, i can revisit LP: #1915126 on Monday
[16:09] <Laney> rbalint: Cheers, flaky is good enough for me. I just don't want to use big instances if it still fails all the time, hope that makes sense
[16:09] <Laney> If they actually help it *pass*, that is all good with me
[16:10] <ItzSwirlz> tysm
[16:15] <rbalint> slyon, xnox, seb128 i've retried netplan.io/hirsute/ppc64el with hello only, to see if there is really a regression in the release pocket
[16:15] <seb128> rbalint, thx
[16:18] <Laney> I think you'd have seen that in the results once they got posted
[16:29] <ItzSwirlz> i'll have to try to reproduce it later
[16:30] <ItzSwirlz> (cinn-screensaver)
[17:55] <ItzSwirlz> So about the cinnamon-screensaver regression: I'm not getting any crashes
[17:56] <ItzSwirlz> Maybe the end user is using deb spotify and it's a spotify problem?
[18:02] <ItzSwirlz> I can't seem to find it at all.
[18:15] <ItzSwirlz> Okay. 1) Why are we stopping phasing a package if theres only *one* occurrence of a regression? I know there is four that appears in the recent SRU but it is just one case. I'm thinking the best I can to try and replicate this but I just can't.
[18:15] <ItzSwirlz> I opened LP 1916789 for now?
[22:50] <Paddy_NI> Quick question, is "TestDrive" no longer recommended in favour or "MultiPass" now?
[22:53] <sarnold> Paddy_NI: heh, this is the first I'm hearing of testdrive -- it looks like it doesn't exist beyond 18.04 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/testdrive
[22:54] <Paddy_NI> sarnold: Ah, I had thought it went pretty quiet :-)
[22:55] <Paddy_NI> I was just wondering what the "officially blessed" way to get a clean environment for testing, debugging etc was these days.  I had noticed Martin Wimpress uses his own solution "quick-emu" and I was wondering why.
[22:55] <sarnold> wow.. it hasn't been updated since 2014 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/testdrive/+changelog
[22:55] <Paddy_NI> I guess his use case(s) are much more particular :-)
[22:56] <Paddy_NI> sarnold: I always remembered it being fast and easy


[07:17] <duflu> Hi seb128. Welcome home :)
[07:17] <duflu> In more ways than one
[07:18] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:18] <seb128> hey duflu, thanks, how are you today?
[07:18] <duflu> seb128, very good. You?
[07:19] <seb128> I'm good thanks, a bit tired or not fully awake yet though :)
[07:20] <seb128> or maybe a bit of allergy, difficult to say :/
[07:50] <duflu> seb128, bluetooth meeting?
[07:50]  * duflu votes not
[07:50]  * seb128 same
[07:51] <duflu> jibel ^
[07:51] <seb128> I don't have anything to contribute and I'm still catching up on things post GUADEC
[07:59] <willcooke> morning all
[08:00] <willcooke> duflu I think we should just cancel the bluez meeting at this point
[08:00] <duflu> willcooke, agreed. koza hasn't reappeared for some time
[08:00] <duflu> Morning willcooke
[08:02] <seb128> hey willcooke, how are you?
[08:03] <willcooke> morning seb128.  Doing well, ache today having done some excercise for the first time in about 2 months yesterday.  It's a nice pain though ;)
[08:03] <seb128> nice, what sort of exercice did you do?
[08:04]  * tsimonq2 scratches his head and wonders how bug 1532508 was properly fixed...
[08:05] <tsimonq2> (I'm not complaining, but I want it for LXQt. :P)
[08:05] <willcooke> seb128, golf!
[08:05] <seb128> ah, of course :)
[08:06] <willcooke> The only kind of excercise I do
[08:06] <seb128> tsimonq2, I don't think bugfix from one codebase apply as a magical recipe to another
[08:06] <seb128> but I think the main trick is to paint the lock screen before issuing the suspend
[08:06] <willcooke> tsimonq2, I /think/ it was and ordering issue.  Pulling down the screen lock shutter and inhibiting suspend while it does it, then going in to suspend
[08:06] <seb128> and ensure the frame made it to the screen also
[08:07] <willcooke> yeah, I think the trick was to make sure the lock screen had finished painting
[08:07] <seb128> if you don't inhibit the suspend that might kicks in before the lock is rendered
[08:07] <tsimonq2> But just locking before suspend doesn't fix it, you have to make sure it paints?
[08:07] <tsimonq2> (If I'n understanding you right.)
[08:08] <tsimonq2> *I'm
[08:08] <seb128> yes
[08:08] <tsimonq2> OK, I'll do some wabbit hunting.
[08:08] <tsimonq2> Thanks.
[08:08] <seb128> yw
[08:18] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[08:19] <tsimonq2> Hey oSoMoN, how's it going?
[08:20] <seb128> hey oSoMoN, how are you?
[08:20] <oSoMoN> hey tsimonq2, seb128
[08:20] <oSoMoN> I'm good, you?
[08:21] <seb128> I'm good, a bit tired|sick|allergic though
[08:22] <seb128> I woke up with a bit of a blocked nose and my eyes itching a bit, unsure if that's a post travel start of cold or just me being allergic to some plants around here
[08:22] <doko> seb128: libsoxr promoted. please be aware there is a new upstream not packaged in debian
[08:23] <seb128> doko, thanks for the notice
[08:23] <seb128> duflu, ^
[08:23] <duflu> doko, yeah I saw the bug mail already. Thank you muchly
[08:23] <oSoMoN> seb128, hopefully that's *just* the regular ubuflu
[08:24] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[08:24] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[08:24] <seb128> oSoMoN, enough ubuflu for this year!
[08:25] <oSoMoN> seb128, get some better ubuantibodies!
[08:25] <seb128> :)
[08:35] <Laney> moin!
[08:39] <oSoMoN> hey Laney, didrocks
[08:39] <seb128> hey Laney, how is GUADEC going? good  BOFs yesterday?
[08:40] <didrocks> hey oSoMoN, seb128
[08:40] <Laney> hey oSoMoN seb128
[08:41] <Laney> yes, not so bad, we were mainly talking about theming and related stuff
[08:41] <Laney> the idea was to reduce the surface of theming, not sure if that's going to work but we'll see
[08:41] <willcooke> andyrock, around?  JamieBennett has livepatch configured and g-o-a is using 98GB of virt. mem after a few mins of running.  Any ideas where to start looking?
[08:41] <willcooke> cc seb128 ^
[08:42] <Laney> that's webkit GigaCage and isn't real used memory
[08:44] <willcooke> Laney, ah.  Any ideas what would cause it to report that?
[08:45] <willcooke> and would a valid thing to do be to kill g-o-a and see if the machine starts responding normally agian?
[08:46] <Laney> it's probably best to respond with a link https://labs.mwrinfosecurity.com/blog/some-brief-notes-on-webkit-heap-hardening/
[08:47] <seb128> willcooke, that's not real usage, you can try but I doubt that's what is making the machine unresponsive
[08:49] <Laney> indeed
[08:54] <willcooke> hi jamesh
[08:54] <JamieBennett> @willcooke this is a paste from the wake up this morning including a reboot from a hard reset, be warned, it's big but contains pretty much the same thing repeated: https://pastebin.canonical.com/p/Wvy8dnMbw6/
[08:54] <willcooke> oops sorry jamesh, I meant hi JamieBennett
[08:55] <jamesh> hello anyway :)
[08:56] <willcooke> JamieBennett, thanks.  g-o-a using a lot of vmem is likely a red herring, and these crashes are probably not caused by g-o-a
[08:57] <willcooke> they could still be memory related though
[08:59] <willcooke> duflu, have you seen crashes like in the logs ^ around 09:31:32 - lots of stack traces for GNOME Shell by the looks of it
[08:59] <didrocks>  /msg seb128 salut ! bon ben, le sort s'acharne quoi… :p
[08:59] <didrocks>  /#hatefootball
[08:59] <seb128> lol
[08:59] <JamieBennett> @willcooke It seems to be reproducible just by leaving the laptop idling overnight
[09:00] <seb128> France France France
[09:00]  * duflu is still waiting for the page to load
[09:00] <didrocks> We are in for 20 more years of hearing about it :(
[09:00] <JamieBennett> @willcooke when it comes to using it in the morning, the screen comes on and everything grinds to a halt in a few seconds
[09:01] <willcooke> I think it could still be realted to the thunderbolt dock.  My machine has been on for weeks and doesn't show the same problems
[09:01] <duflu> willcooke, JamieBennett, that would be bug 1772677
[09:01] <willcooke> JamieBennett, is there anything in /var/crash ?
[09:02] <didrocks> I don't think the virt mem is related to this anyway, it only depends on how much the daemon requests memory. I have 112G for deja-dup, 97 for g-oa-, 84.1 for chrome-nacl
[09:03] <JamieBennett> @willcooke no
[09:06] <duflu> willcooke, I made a little progress in comment #10 of that bug but did not chase it without a way to reproduce the bug
[09:08] <willcooke> ah
[09:09] <willcooke> so realted to monitors
[09:09] <willcooke> realted
[09:09] <willcooke> related
[09:09] <willcooke> JamieBennett, any docking/undocking going on?
[09:10] <JamieBennett> laptop is plugged in to a 4k monitor via a usb c dock
[09:10] <duflu> willcooke, no I don't think it's related to multi-monitor, only to machines with more than zero monitors
[09:10] <duflu> But maybe....?
[09:12] <willcooke> hidpi?  Is 4k counted as high dpi?  I guess it depends on the physical screen size
[09:12] <willcooke> JamieBennett, do you have shell scaling on your 4k screen?
[09:14] <JamieBennett> willcooke: monitor is 27", 100% scale
[09:14] <willcooke> kk
[09:14] <JamieBennett> running at 3840x2160
[09:15] <duflu> Actually even comment #10 might be wrong. We'll need to figure out how to reproduce it and then a developer can start poking that code.
[09:16] <JamieBennett> duflu: well, leaving my laptop plugged in over night seems to reproduce it pretty well
[09:16] <duflu> Worth noting gnome-shell upstream has similar errors in a different location. Trevinho fixed that for us but upstream hasn't accepted his fix still
[09:17] <JamieBennett> Another oddity than may be unrelated is that the screen seems to go to sleep and wake up regularly (probably notification related) as I often see the black screen turn on for no apparent reason despite not touching it
[09:19] <duflu> JamieBennett, are you able to leave the machine in a "quiet" state where any apps causing notifications are closed over night? I've been wondering if that was the trigger
[09:20] <JamieBennett> I can later today and report back
[09:20] <JamieBennett> actually, I could just switch machines and do it now
[09:30] <JamieBennett> ok, very quick test, the laptop wakes up every 10 seconds or so, powers the laptop screen then the monitor and sleeps the displays again after about 3 seconds with *no* applications or tray icons running
[09:30] <JamieBennett> I wonder if the hub is waking it (it also has usb and ethernet plugged in)
[09:34] <JamieBennett> Right, the hub keeps waking the screen but it is not USB or ethernet, it looks like the monitor itself. Laptop screen goes blank, monitor goes blank, monitor scans other inputs in a round robin, goes back to hdmi and 'wakes' the laptop back up.
[09:34] <JamieBennett> Anyone else seen that?
[09:35] <willcooke> huh
[09:35] <willcooke> So the monitor could be requesting the machine wakes up?
[09:35] <duflu> JamieBennett, you might be able to set the monitor to not auto-scan
[09:35] <JamieBennett> Well, when it settles back on hdmi it 'wakes' the laptop for some reason
[09:36] <JamieBennett> duflu: I'll turn off autoscan and see what happens
[09:36] <duflu> Yeah I would say ordinarily it's a useful feature for plugging in a monitor to wake the system
[09:36] <duflu> If that's what's happening
[09:37] <JamieBennett> OK, auto scan off fixes the wake-ups but is that the right behaviour?
[09:38] <duflu> JamieBennett, that's a kernel question I think
[09:38] <duflu> I've never seen it
[09:38] <duflu> but auto-scanning is also somewhat rare
[09:38] <jamesh> could be doing HDMI CEC?
[09:38] <duflu> That too
[09:38] <JamieBennett> duflu: autoscanning isn't rare is it? Every projector does it
[09:39] <JamieBennett> anyway, I wonder if the multiple wakeups are somehow filling memory and grinding the system to a halt?
[09:40] <duflu> I don't think there are enough wakeups. The original reporter said he had 70GB per day. The machine needs to be awake to cause that much
[09:41] <willcooke> Could be unrelated issues?  A memory leak in each connect/disconnect cycle seems feasible
[09:42] <duflu> willcooke, of disk usage, not memory
[09:43] <JamieBennett> my syslog is only 3.5mb so nothing too huge atm
[09:47] <willcooke> JamieBennett, it will be interesting to see if this helps longer term.  I think jamesh is probably on to something with CEC.  Things like projects probably dont support it, and a lot of computer moniors don't either
[09:48] <JamieBennett> willcooke: It seems to happen each night so I'll leave the autoscan off tonight and see what happens in the morning
[09:48] <willcooke> thanks JamieBennett
[09:49] <jamesh> CEC can allow devices to wake in either direction (e.g. ChromeCasts can wake a television, a TV can wake a game console or bluray player, etc)
[09:50] <jamesh> I'm not sure how to easily get visibility to test it though
[09:55] <willcooke> I wonder if it's Montor -> CEC -> Dock -> ACPI wake up event -> Kernel
[09:55] <willcooke> rather than CEC all the way
[09:55] <willcooke> because yeah, we don't ship libcec or anything like that by default
[09:56] <jamesh> CEC isn't always hooked up to the OS though
[09:56] <jamesh> IIRC Intel's NUCs have CEC wakeup handled by the embedded controller, and you need additional hardware to do more with CEC
[09:57] <jamesh> so a dock could indeed be handling CEC without the OS knowing
[10:01] <willcooke> yeah that's kinda what I was thinking
[10:01] <willcooke> well, lets see if this is the root of the problems and take it from there
[10:02] <duflu> Regardless of the frequency, seeing a stack trace like that is always a bug. So finding a workaround would be good but it's still a bug even if it happens once
[10:22] <willcooke> duflu, in other news - a guy in the Ubuntu UK channel says he's seeing the problem with bluetooth connections on resume from suspend
[10:22] <willcooke> he's got the same hardware as me, so I will test it here
[10:22] <willcooke> this was on cosmic
[10:22] <willcooke> so might be a regression
[10:23] <willcooke> anyway, I will test and log a new bug if needed
[10:23] <duflu> willcooke, I thought we fixed that recently. For audio at least. I think there's an open bug still for mice
[10:24] <willcooke> duflu, ah cool.  I will test with speakers and mice then
[10:24] <duflu> willcooke, mice is bug 1779289
[10:25] <duflu> Oh, actually, that's not resume. I can't remember where the resume bug is
[10:28] <willcooke> there's this one:
[10:28] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1561474
[10:28] <willcooke> which talks about cosmic at the end
[10:35] <duflu> It appears I have lost the bug I was thinking of, and now I'm searching I see several reports but not the one I wanted
[10:35] <duflu> Will need to tidy that up
[10:42] <duflu> willcooke, I forgot to mention the bionic fix for bluez is still in proposed. Are you sure he was on cosmic?
[10:49] <willcooke> duflu, no, you're right - hes on Bionic
[10:51] <duflu> willcooke, ah, so was it audio, mouse, or other?
[10:53] <duflu> AFAICT the bluez reconnect-on-resume fix was not audio-specific. Only a lot of people complained about it regarding audio
[11:00] <willcooke> duflu, sounds like mouse and headphones
[11:00] <willcooke> they're going to try this weekend and let me know
[11:01] <duflu> willcooke, the feedback for audio is that the fix works for everyone (in cosmic and bionic-proposed). I only hope it applies to mice
[11:10] <duflu> Night
[15:40] <juliank> oSoMoN, ricotz: Could one of you investigate the triggers for libreoffice in xenial for bug 1780996, see if there are ones that are not noawait, but changed in later versions, and change them too?
[15:41] <juliank> Downloading that on my side takes ages, and libreoffice is kind of your thing anyhow
[15:49] <ricotz> juliank, libreoffice-common in xenial contains "interest /@OODIR@/share/extensions"
[15:52] <juliank> ricotz: That's interest-noawait in bionic; unless packages installing files there depend on libreoffice-common, it should be changed there too
[15:52] <ricotz> juliank, you can see the packaging here https://git.launchpad.net/~libreoffice/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/
[15:53] <juliank> Oh well, they are broken anyhow
[15:53] <juliank> libreoffice-mysql-connector.triggers.in and another one explicitly activate the file trigger too
[15:53] <juliank> that's fixed in bionic
[15:54] <juliank> if those are the only ones shipping files in there, and they depend on libreoffice-common, we can mark the task as wontfix, as that's OK enough
[15:56] <juliank> ok there are more
[15:57] <juliank> It's likely easier to change the trigger and the two activate in the package
[15:57] <juliank> to add -noawait there
[15:57] <juliank> then checking if all packages installing files into the extensions dir depend on libreoffice-common
[18:05] <willcooke> night.  It may or may not be coming home.
[18:13] <czajkowski> lol


[19:52] <Scary_Guy> Severe storms here until 8.  UPS already sorta tripped for a few seconds twice.  Not taking any chances so l8r.
[19:53] <cmaloney> Yeah, we lost our power earlier


[00:18] <Armageddon> guys, what are the system requirements for xubuntu ?
[00:19] <charlie-tca> 400mhz cpu with 128mb ram are absolute minimum. 256 mb ram preferred
[00:19] <charlie-tca> 128mb makes the gui real slow and hard to use
[00:20] <Armageddon> how about a 1.4GHz CPU and 128MB RAM ?
[00:20] <charlie-tca> still gonna run slow
[00:20] <charlie-tca> ram makes a difference
[00:20] <Armageddon> a big hardrive he can use a lot of swap !
[00:23] <Armageddon> would that help ?
[00:23] <charlie-tca> It will help with freezes, but I don't know how much it will help if running more than app at a time
[00:24] <Armageddon> to be honest, the pc will be used for messengers and web browsing and thats it !
[00:24] <charlie-tca> 128mb works fine using one application at a time
[00:24] <charlie-tca> web browsing a lot of flash will hurt
[00:24] <charlie-tca> but it is worth trying it. I think browsing is fine at 128mb
[00:25] <Armageddon> the computer is baring windows xp SP2 at the moment !
[00:25] <charlie-tca> I had abiword and firefox running at the same time, too
[00:26] <Armageddon> would you suggest anything else then xubuntu ?
[00:27] <charlie-tca> I haven't tried others, myself
[00:28] <Armageddon> so do you think it would be worth a try instead of windows XP ? and does it support wubi ? just for testing !
[00:28] <charlie-tca> yes. to both
[00:28] <charlie-tca> Download the cd and give it a try.
[00:29] <Armageddon> i will, its my friend's pc :) i have ubuntu jaunty already installed, but im spreading the word :D
[00:29] <Armageddon> i so much love linux
[00:29] <charlie-tca> Great! maybe you friend will too!
[00:29] <ochosi> and gone he is
[00:30] <charlie-tca> too slow again...
[00:30] <ochosi> well, at least *someone* read it ;)
[00:31] <charlie-tca> true :-)
[00:55] <youareno6> I am not ready to upgrade right now, is there any repositories for gutsy still around?
[00:55] <charlie-tca> gutsy is no longer supported.
[00:56] <charlie-tca> versions are supported for 18 months. You really should upgrade to hardy. That has three years of support since it is LTS
[00:59] <youareno6> charlie-tca: I am not ready to upgrade just yet. Too much at stake if something breaks. Just need a package and none of my repos work.
[01:00] <charlie-tca> That's why you to upgrade. Gutsy was end of life in October. The longer you wait, the more difficult it becomes.
[01:15] <R1cochet> is there an app the will help me create an icon theme?
[01:15] <kuroRei> gimp?
[01:16] <R1cochet> i mean a theme set not individual icons
[01:17] <mord> R1cochet: http://forge.novell.com/modules/xfmod/project/?gib might help
[01:18] <R1cochet> ok wasnt sure if there was something newer or a deb
[01:18] <R1cochet> ty
[01:19] <R1cochet> can some1 help me install
[01:19] <R1cochet> havent installed anything from source b4
[01:23] <mord> R1cochet: ugh, forgot, that's c# stuff. you don't want to touch that ;)
[01:23] <R1cochet> damn
[01:23] <mord> R1cochet: have you considered creating the theme by hand, http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt/Tutorials/IconThemes has a pretty good tutorial on gtk icon theme creation
[01:25] <mord> tango generator should also do the trick i suppose
[01:36] <Carlis> Hi
[01:37] <Carlis> What wireless driver do u advice to connect Xubuntu to Internet ?
[01:38] <charlie-tca> You have to use the one your hardware needs
[01:39] <Carlis> What hardware =
[01:39] <charlie-tca> !wireless
[01:39] <Carlis> ?
[01:39] <Carlis> ok
[01:40] <Carlis> Thank you
[01:40] <charlie-tca> no problem
[02:46] <meatcar> hey guys
[02:47] <meatcar> I'm trying to burn a cd with Brasero
[02:47] <meatcar> an audio CD, and it sticks on "Normalising files"
[02:48] <meatcar> sorry, its "Normalising Tracks"
[02:48] <meatcar> and i left it for 4 hours now. to normalize itself, and it just wont stop.
[02:51] <meatcar> never mind. Its a bug in jaunty. not my fault. XD. thanks for listening. lol
[03:40] <noumaan>  We have finished translating XFCE from the official xfce website how do we submit it to Ubuntu so that it is available to Jaunty users
[04:21] <noumaan> We have finished translating XFCE from the official xfce website how do we submit it to Ubuntu so that it is available to Jaunty users
[04:21] <susej> how can i change the hotkey for desktop switching
[04:21] <susej> i tried gconf-editor
[04:22] <susej> with no results
[04:22] <susej> i looked in the configure ation part for keyboard and i can addd apilcation shortcuts but i want to change the hotkey <ctl> <alt> leftarrow to somthing else
[05:07] <patrick> really enjoying this OS
[06:06] <ball> Is it difficult to add a .deb package to Xubuntu?
[06:25] <PaulieG> hello, i need help, i have XB UNTU Jaunty 9.04 installed. any sound file or video file i try to play ends up skipping.
[06:25] <PaulieG> when im streaming
[06:25] <PaulieG> and local files
[06:31] <ball> PaulieG: the audio skips, or the audio and the video?
[06:34] <PaulieG> both
[06:37] <ball> PaulieG: how much RAM do you have?
[06:38] <PaulieG> 1GB
[06:39] <ball> That should be adequate.
[06:41] <PaulieG> i know, i saw in a forum that this was a common issue but no one had an answer for it
[06:44] <ball> PaulieG: what X driver are you using?
[06:45] <PaulieG> what do u mean?
[06:45] <PaulieG> xorg?
[06:45] <ball> Part of X.org is the X server.  The X server talks to the hardware through a device driver.  What device driver are you using?
[06:46] <PaulieG> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReinhardTartler/X/RevertingIntelDriverTo2.4
[06:46] <PaulieG> i think i found the answer?
[06:46] <PaulieG> no clue
[06:47] <PaulieG> what ever default installed.. hold on ill tell you
[06:47] <ball> ok
[06:55] <PaulieG> what is the command to find out?
[10:05] <btm05> hello everyone- I'm having problems getting the fonts in Openoffice to look nice- has anyone here got a tip?
[12:41] <firsm> Hi, does anyone know how to disable ssh-agent?
[14:22] <SiDi> firsm: you mean the server ?
[15:02] <FelineMonstrosit> Hi. How can I access a task manager to see all running processes?
[15:02] <FelineMonstrosit> Wait, found it, in the system monitor
[16:12] <KoshB5> I've upgraded from Intrepid to Jaunty and have lost the internet connection. I still connect to the router (WPA enabled). Useing a usb adapter.
[16:38] <techknowlust> can anyone tell me where the default configuration file is stored for xfce? I'm trying to change the default backdrop on a livecd
[16:38] <techknowlust> I'd really appreciate it if anyone knew
[16:38] <charlie-tca> The desktop background?
[16:38] <techknowlust> yes
[16:39] <techknowlust> presumably there's a xfce config file used as a default for new users?
[16:39] <charlie-tca> You can change it in Applications -> Settings -> Desktop, but I don't know  the default config file.
[16:41] <knome> techknowlust, what's wrong with the default?
[16:42] <techknowlust> there's nothing wrong with it, I'm delibirately trying to change it though
[16:42] <CuriosTiger> knome: Presumably, the default isn't the photo he wants to be looking at all day?
[16:43] <techknowlust> it’s a custom livecd for an NGO that I'm working for
[16:43] <SiDi> Dont we have an OEM install option on the live CD ?
[16:43] <SiDi> !oem
[16:43] <SiDi> argh
[16:44] <charlie-tca> I think it is on the alternate cd
[16:44] <SiDi> ah
[16:44] <techknowlust> I guess it’s a bit of a hack but I could just replace the file with the one i want and keep the same name
[16:44] <techknowlust> feel's a bit... I don't know... lazy though
[16:44] <charlie-tca> But that doesn't let them use a live cd, anyway. If they want the live cd instead of the installed version...
[16:45] <techknowlust> might as well find out if I can find the config file for future reference
[16:45] <charlie-tca> is it in /etc/skeleton?
[16:45] <SiDi> techknowlust: there are tools for building your OEM iso
[16:45] <SiDi> i dont know if they work with xubuntu but give them a try
[16:45] <charlie-tca> Or can you place it in /etc/skel ?
[16:50] <charlie-tca> techknowlust: ~/.config/sfce4/sfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/sfce4-desktop.xml?
[16:50] <charlie-tca> those sfce should be xfce
[16:51] <rip0> how long does it normally take to start xfce4 from the login-screen?
[16:51] <SiDi> too long
[16:51] <charlie-tca> depends on your cpu and ram. anywhere from 24-60 seconds
[16:51] <SiDi> about 5 secs i'd say
[16:51] <SiDi> charlie-tca: we don't have the same CPU apparently:D
[16:52] <rip0> takes me 20 secs on a eeepc, i thought that was far to long (no sessions saved)
[16:52] <charlie-tca> and there is a bug report, i just can't find it right now
[16:52] <rip0> *too long
[16:52] <SiDi> rip0: its quite long on 8.10, that'll be a focus point for 9.04 afaik
[16:52] <SiDi> its true it loads slowly if you hard reboot
[16:52] <charlie-tca> maybe a focus point for 9.10
[16:52] <SiDi> i personnally only sleep/wakeup and its fast (but i cache a lot)
[16:52] <charlie-tca> 9.04 is out
[16:52] <SiDi> charlie-tca: thats a relevant point xD
[16:53]  * SiDi goes bed.
[16:53] <charlie-tca> good night?
[16:53] <rip0> 20 seconds is too long in my opinion, even windows is faster ..
[16:53] <charlie-tca> How long from start up to desktop?
[16:54] <rip0> from grub to desktop about 45 seconds
[16:54] <charlie-tca> which is much faster than windows
[16:54] <rip0> apparently not, give me a moment
[16:56] <rip0> the windows installation on the eee needs around 35 seconds
[16:57] <SiDi> the difference is in the different design of the kernels, rip0
[16:57] <SiDi> once you're on desktop under linux, absolutely all the drivers / all the core functions are loaded and working
[16:57] <SiDi> under windows, only the part needed to boot and pop the desktop up are loaded
[16:58] <rip0> good point, didn't think of that
[16:58] <SiDi> but its true the xubuntu desktop is too slow :D
[16:58] <SiDi> (and you dont wanna compare vista vs xubuntu shutdown/suspend/resume times)
[16:58] <charlie-tca> SiDi: isn't that a topic for UDS?
[16:58] <SiDi> (eventho i love seeing a vista user camping 2/3 mins in front of his pc while its suspending, while mine is already on its bag :P)
[16:58] <SiDi> charlie-tca: i think it is
[16:59] <SiDi> with the default packages discussion
[17:11] <firsm> SiDi: No, I mean ssh-agent.
[17:15] <firsm> I have seen dozens of linux users whose laptops were not even able to suspend :p
[17:23] <xub> hi everyone :)
[17:50] <SiDi> firsm: never heard of that Oo xub hiya
[18:09] <firsm> SiDi: never heard of ssh-agent? :-)
[18:10] <SiDi> firsm: no :)
[20:23] <nijm> Hey guys, I have openoffice-gtk installed, but the fonts in openoffice are different to the fonts I use in xfce. Does anybody know how to fix this?
[20:24] <SiDi> I know that's a dumb question from me but
[20:24] <SiDi> Do you mean the menu fonts ?
[20:24] <nijm> Yeah, the GUI fonts in openoffice
[20:24] <charlie-tca> OOo has a preferences tool for the gui fonts
[20:25] <charlie-tca> but I havn't used OOo in a very long time
[20:26] <nijm> I have the "use system font for user interface" option ticked
[20:27] <charlie-tca> SiDi: ??
[20:28] <nijm> Ah, it doesn't matter. You can scale the user interface size up, so I've just done that and the fonts are bearable
[20:29] <SiDi> charlie-tca: yes ?
[20:29] <charlie-tca> nm
[20:30] <SiDi> oh, nijm what GPU ?
[20:30]  * SiDi had an idea.
[20:30] <SiDi> Is it an old Nvidia card by chance ?
[20:30] <SiDi> And do the fonts look "aliased" ?
[20:30] <SiDi> do they look "not smooth" ?
[20:34] <nijm> SiDi, they looked like they were trying to be antialiased
[20:35] <SiDi> What graphics card do you have ?
[20:35] <nijm> and I don't really know what GPU this computer is, I'm just borrowing it atm
[20:35] <nijm> How can I find out?
[20:35] <SiDi> There are bugs in font antialiasing with old nvidia ones
[20:35] <nijm> My laptop was stolen :-(
[20:35] <SiDi> lspci | grep VGA
[20:35] <SiDi> ouch
[20:35] <nijm> It's an integrated Intel chip
[20:35] <SiDi> damn
[20:36] <SiDi> and in the display tab of the preferences window
[20:36] <SiDi> is the "font antialiasing" checkbox checked ?
[20:36] <nijm> It's ok. I've told it not to use the system font and scaled up the UI, it looks pretty much the same as my other fonts now
[20:36] <nijm> I unticked it
[20:37] <nijm> Looks kind of like XP now :-)
[20:37] <nijm> old school
[20:38] <SiDi> heh
[20:46] <cemunal> if i don't install my screen driver; the screen is slided right; how can i fix it?
[20:47] <SiDi> A screen driver ? :/
[20:48] <charlie-tca> Is it centered when you do install your driver?
[20:52] <cemunal> SiDi, nvidia
[20:52] <cemunal> charlie-tca, yes
[20:53] <charlie-tca> Then the easy fix is install the driver
[20:54] <cemunal> charlie-tca, my screen card is very old and new Xorg don't work with nvidia 71 series driver.
[20:56] <SiDi> Then i don't think there is much to do. The 96 series are still supported afaik, and they're from GeForce 2.
[20:56] <cemunal> SiDi, my screen card is RIVA TNT2 :D
[20:56] <cemunal> and it is from 71 series
[20:57] <charlie-tca> My tnt2 works with the 96 series
[20:57] <charlie-tca> It has worked with all the versions of Xubuntu up to Jaunty
[20:58] <cemunal> i try every way but i can't work
[20:59] <cemunal> charlie-tca, ^
[21:00] <cemunal> charlie-tca, please look here » http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/810#nVidia%20%22legacy%22%20video%20support
[21:01] <charlie-tca> I guess I forgot to read that. I am still using the 96 series driver
[21:02] <cemunal> with TNT2 ?
[21:02] <charlie-tca> yup
[21:02] <cemunal> let me try
[21:04] <cemunal> charlie-tca, you get direct rendering?
[21:04] <charlie-tca> no, I don't use any screen effects or compositors
[21:41] <Slonkie> Is it a possibility to downgrade from 9.04 to 8.10?
[21:43] <charlie-tca> It is very difficult to, but if you pick carefully, you can do it.
[21:43] <charlie-tca> You have to get the list of packages and remove all the upgraded packages, then install the packages from 8.10
[21:43] <Slonkie> Would it be easier to just install 8.10 on a different partition?
[21:44] <charlie-tca> Oh yeah
[21:45] <Slonkie> All right.
[21:45] <cemunal> charlie-tca, hi
[21:45] <Slonkie> I wonder if there's a problem with cups in jaunty since "maple" isen't able to detect any printing services?
[21:45] <cemunal> i fix it
[21:45] <charlie-tca> Hello, cemunal
[21:45] <charlie-tca> Great!
[21:45] <cemunal> i use Driver "vesa"
[21:45] <cemunal> :)
[21:46] <charlie-tca> Got to do what you got to do...
[21:46] <cemunal> my screen is centered
[21:46] <charlie-tca> I am glad
[21:46] <cemunal> charlie-tca, thanks fo your helping
[21:46] <cemunal> *for
[21:46] <charlie-tca> no problem
[21:47] <cemunal> now time 23:46 good night
[21:47] <cemunal> :)
[21:47] <Slonkie> charlie-tca, do you by any chance know when the next xfce release will be available as a update for jaunty?
[21:48] <charlie-tca> I don't. I think NCommander was trying to get it packaged
[21:48] <charlie-tca> got a lot of steps to go through.
[21:49] <Slonkie> All right
[22:02]  * SiDi is already on it via PPA :P
[22:03] <Slonkie> Is it cool?
[22:03] <SiDi> Dunno
[22:03] <SiDi> i didnt test 4.6.0
[22:03] <SiDi> can't tell about the changes
[22:03] <Slonkie> All right
[22:18] <gamepockets> :-(
[22:19] <artistxe> suck it up  :P
[22:20] <gamepockets> does anyone know how to set permissions so an external hd can be wrote to?
[22:21] <SiDi> depends on the hd
[22:21] <SiDi> if its vfat/ntfs then you have to set rights at mount in /etc/fstab
[22:21] <SiDi> !fstab
[22:21] <gamepockets> it's a maxtor 300 gb formatted to ext 3
[22:26] <KoshB5> I need some help with Jaunty. I've lost internet access. I'm only able to connect to the router. Had no problems w/Intrepid.
[22:29] <SiDi> KoshB5: do you mean DHCP fails ? Works on same router with another pc ?
[22:30] <gamepockets> ok, my external hd says root, but won't allow me to write to it.
[22:47] <artistxe> gamepockets
[22:48] <artistxe> curious. what type of filestem is the external ?
[22:48] <SiDi> he's gone
[22:49]  * knome is available to answer all kinds of silly questions
[22:51] <artistxe> SiDi, thanks for pointing that out.
[22:52] <artistxe> knome. he may not have had his external formatted properly ( is my guess)
[22:52] <SiDi> or he mounted it badly in fstab
[22:52] <knome> that is possible
[22:52] <SiDi> like with "readonly" option :D
[22:52] <knome> or then a whale ate it
[22:52] <artistxe> true . not mounted
[23:11] <charlie-tca> !away > NvdH|Away
[23:13] <charlie-tca> or maybe just needs to chown it to himself instead of root
[23:22] <Slonkie> where are those files with blacklisted items stored?
[23:27] <cemunal> does anybody know how to use mesa drivers with nvidia riva tnt2 under xubuntu?
[23:27] <charlie-tca> Slonkie: /etc/modprobe.d
[23:30]  * CuriosTiger gave up on nvidia's drivers under ubuntu.
[23:53] <KoshB5> need help w/9.04 wireless. upgraded from 8.1 and lost internet connection
[23:54] <KoshB5> I've flushed the iptables and no change
[23:57] <|val|> hi all, someone can explain what options "replace" and "applies" (in gfxboot.cfg) excatly do to isolinux command line ?
[23:59] <|val|> file=/cdrom/preseed/xubuntu.seed is replaces by file=/cdrom/preseed/cli.seed or by cli=/cdrom/preseed/cli.seed ?
[23:59] <|val|> and what about applies, it's add the argument cli=install to the command line ?


[19:13] <Joshh100> hey all
[19:14] <Joshh100> Id love to get involved with the documentation effort for Ubuntu
[19:17] <Saj0577> hey Josh100
[19:17] <Saj0577> hey Joshh100
[19:18] <Saj0577> the wikis or the system docs?
[19:20] <Joshh100> whats more fun?
[19:21] <Joshh100> I like writing a lot.. Im just not too much of a programmer
[19:21] <Joshh100> but Id like to contribute
[19:22] <Saj0577> Well anyone can contribute to the wiki. which is at wiki.ubuntu.com and the system files are the ones when you go System/Help and support ( ithink thats the right process,i dont use ubuntu menu so it may be different)
[19:23] <Joshh100> I see
[19:23] <Joshh100> which do you contribute to?
[19:23] <Saj0577> The Wiki
[19:53] <Flannel> wiki.ubuntu.com is for team wiki stuff, help.ubuntu.com/community/ is for documentation type things.
[23:16] <newz2000> Hi, is there a printable installation guide?
[23:37] <Saj0577> for ubuntu desktop?