[00:00] <Riddell> if QVBoxLayout works, stick with it
[00:00] <nixternal> and the silly PyKDE4 docs tell you to use pykdedocs browser and it is nowhere to be found...not even on Google
[00:01] <nixternal> will, what I was trying to do was show the differences in the code between native PyQt4 and native PyKDE4
[00:01] <nixternal> s/will/well
[00:01] <nixternal> and it is nice having PyKDE4 completion in Eclipse with the PyDev plugin
[02:02] <ryanakca> Hmm. For the website, would you rather have a button with gradient that doesn't resize (bad accessability!), or a good looking button that does resize, but doesn't have a gradient ?
[02:12] <Tm_T> Riddell: l
[02:13] <Tm_T> Riddell: agh, sorry, bad keyboard usage here
[02:13] <Tm_T> ryanakca: latter
[02:14] <ryanakca> Tm_T: okies
[02:19] <Tm_T> ryanakca: as in, bad accessibility is BAD
[02:19] <ryanakca> :)
[02:19] <Tm_T> ryanakca: btw remember to define background colour when you define foreground colour ;)
[02:20] <ryanakca> lol :)
[02:20]  * ryanakca => bed, night
[02:21] <Tm_T> ryanakca: I was serious, but yes nighty :)
[03:03] <nixternal> YAY! Edubuntu Chapter rewrite pretty much complete!
[03:05] <nosrednaekim> nixternal » do you get paid for writing for the ubuntu book?
[03:13] <nixternal> I am not writing, just helping with an update for the chapter
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> oh
[03:17] <nixternal> I look at it this way, I have gotten a few thousand dollars of free software, so that is payment enough :)
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> haha
[03:18] <cheguevara> doesn't help you eat :p
[03:18] <nixternal> sure it does, I can order pizza online :p
[03:18] <cheguevara> haha
[03:18] <nixternal> I actually gave that a shot last week, and it worked like a charm
[03:18] <nixternal> pizza hut rocks!
[03:18] <nosrednaekim> no kidding? you can do that?
[03:19] <nixternal> ya
[03:19] <nixternal> I guess they have had it for a while
[03:19] <nixternal> there are quite a few places here in Chicago that I can do it with
[03:19] <nixternal> and the response time is the same as if I were to call in an order
[03:19] <nixternal> this way here, I only have to get up once now :p
[03:20] <nosrednaekim> nixternal » ah.. how you long for teleported pizza, eh?
[03:20] <cheguevara> lol
[03:20] <nixternal> 30 minutes! piping hot!
[03:22] <cheguevara> i remembered when i tried to order pizza from dominos and they are like we dont deliver to your neighborhood
[03:22]  * nosrednaekim thinks its best not to go to cheguevara's neighborhood after dark..
[03:23] <cheguevara> no kidding :P
[03:23] <nixternal> heh
[03:23] <cheguevara> or before dark
[03:24] <cheguevara> lol
[03:24] <nosrednaekim> lol
[08:40] <_StefanS_> morning
[09:25] <_StefanS_> kwwii: ping?
[09:27] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: show me the money !
[09:28] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: $$$$$$$
[09:29] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: anything happening ?
[09:29] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'm working today... which is all new for me :D
[09:30] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: nothing, it was just a convenient way to say "hello" :)
[09:31] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I know :) - it was just a general question on how things were on bugs/features on hardy
[09:31] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: you've been hard at work I know
[09:32] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I'm on kdelibs and xdg directories integration atm
[09:33] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: anything I should be looking at ?
[09:33] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: besides what you're doing ofcourse ;)
[09:33] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: btw, virtualbox is pretty nice.. just trying it now
[09:39] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I wonder what I paid for when i bought vmware workstation... hmm.
[09:47] <stefan__> hi
[09:47] <stefan__> since today i can not log into kde4 anymore
[09:47] <stefan__> i am using hardy heron
[09:47] <stefan__> the error i get is:
[09:48] <_StefanS_> stefan__: I got the same problem, and I like your name btw ;)
[09:49] <stefan__> FatalError: you need to have KComponenObject ....
[09:49] <stefan__> oh cool ;)
[09:49] <stefan__> any ideas?
[09:49] <_StefanS_> stefan__: Well I think apachelogger_ is packaging kde4, so go ahead and ask him
[09:49] <stefan__> i reinstalled anything related to kde4, removed ".kde*" dirs in /root and /home/stefan
[09:49] <stefan__> ok
[09:50] <_StefanS_> stefan__: Its probably due to some changes, but its likely he already knows about it.
[09:50]  * _StefanS_ is pretty impressed with virtualbox
[09:50] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hum, some work on kdesudo-kde4 ?
[09:50] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: make kdesudo class inhérits kpassworddialog again
[09:51] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: that's required for better caption, icon on the top left etc.....
[09:51] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: toma changed that....
[09:51] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: he coded the dialog himself?
[09:51] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I consider doing this for the next release, but if you want to help, that would be welcome :)
[09:51] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: well he removed the inhéritance
[09:51] <Tonio_> inhéritence
[09:51] <Tonio_> rahhhh, well you understoof
[09:51] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: inheritance :)
[09:52] <Tonio_> s/f/d
[09:52]  * Tonio_ is tired....
[09:52] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I dont blame you for putting all those french chars in there ;)
[09:52] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: we're all tired..
[09:52] <Tonio_> :)
[09:52] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: should I grab the latest kdesudo-kde4 from bzr?
[09:53] <_StefanS_> I'm amazed that the closed source nvidia-drivers can be so slow in 2d..
[09:53] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yep :)
[09:53] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: well I can do that later if you want, but would be nice to get help :)
[09:53] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: bzr url? I can never seem to grasp that wierd naming
[09:54] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: the idea of removing the inheritance was nice, the only problem is that I want to have a nice caption and icon on the window top bar
[09:54] <_StefanS_> stefan__: just go ahead and ask apachelogger_
[09:54] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I think that requires inheritance right ?
[09:55] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes, afaik you just extend the standard kpassworddialog, and thus you will get all those features handed down automatically
[09:55] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: but I will have to look at the source.. btw, did you have any problems with the kdmtheme?
[09:56] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I was wondering that we might need to inform the user that he needs reboot in order to see the changed kdmtheme
[10:05] <kwwii> _StefanS_: pong
[10:06] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: for kdmtheme I had to rewrite the patch :)
[10:06] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: all the images where corrupted, but now it's okay
[10:06] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: also magically, it works with kdesudo now, I don't understand why......
[10:10] <smarter> stefan__: comment out "userProfileMapFile=/etc/kde-user-profile" in /etc/kde4rc to get kde4 to work again.
[10:11] <stefan__> thank you
[10:11] <stefan__> very much :)
[10:12] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well, I'm glad you could fix that patch.. and sorry if it gave you alot of work
[10:12] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: it works great
[10:12] <stefan__> smarter: that works!
[10:12] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: it wasn't that long, don't mind :)
[10:13] <Tonio_> you are the coder, I'm the packager ;)
[10:13] <Tonio_> I'm used to rewrite patches :)
[10:16] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes, I wish I sometimes understood that d*mn debuild thing :)
[10:17] <Tonio_> I which sometimes I understood that d*n c++ thing :)
[10:18] <_StefanS_> hehe
[10:26] <_StefanS_> uhm just hate using IM's to irc..
[10:28] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: do you have that bzr url handy?
[10:31] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: bzr checkout bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-kdesudo/kdesudo/trunk-kde4
[10:31] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: thankyouverymuch :D
[10:32] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: youarewelcome !
[10:44] <Tonio_> ouch, python-apt looks like broken.....
[10:44] <Tonio_> ValueError: error parsing Python-Version attribute
[10:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: aware of this issue ?
[10:45] <Tonio_> hum yes, it is just discussed on ubuntu-devel ;)
[10:46] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes its bzr you're having trouble with?
[10:46] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: tried installing it yesterday
[10:47] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yep
[10:47] <buz> does anyone else see kde4 apps occasionally freeze for a few seconds when they want to display some dialog?
[10:48] <_StefanS_> buz: I guess thats normal if you run it with all the bells and whistles :D
[10:48] <buz> even when composite is off
[10:48] <buz> and showing a simple yes/no dialog should not take much work
[10:48] <_StefanS_> buz: it still makes the composite stuff offscreen...
[10:48] <_StefanS_> hehe, just kidding.
[10:48] <_StefanS_> I dont know :d
[10:49] <buz> it looks like a clear bug to me
[10:49] <buz> but it hard to reproduce
[10:49] <_StefanS_> buz: what gfx card?
[10:49] <buz> intel gma x3100
[10:49] <buz> happens with or without compositing
[10:50] <buz> (i usually have compositing off because intel drivers cant play movies when composite is on)
[10:50] <_StefanS_> buz: hmm could it be the dpi settings? I've seen it slow down kde
[10:50] <buz> well i do have 148dpi
[10:50] <_StefanS_> buz: if the driver sets 100dpi, and kde sets it to 96dpi
[10:50] <buz> but it's absurd that it would only happen with simplest dialogs
[10:50] <_StefanS_> buz: then its _slow_
[10:50] <_StefanS_> buz: well you got fonts on all dialogs.
[10:50] <buz> normal windows are no issue at all
[10:50] <_StefanS_> hmm, maybe a lookup in history makes it lockkup?
[10:51] <buz> not only in konqueror
[10:51] <buz> maybe i should reinstall hardy
[10:51] <buz> i've been doing some evil stuff to it
[10:56] <buz> and another thing, firefox3.0 always zooms pages without being told to do so
[10:56] <buz> how can i turn that off
[10:56] <buz> about:config does not list any obvious way
[10:56] <_StefanS_> buz: another bad thing is that google browser sync doesnt work anymore for ff3.0 :(
[10:57] <_StefanS_> buz: havent seen those imaging probs though
[11:15] <Tonio_> crimsun_: any news concerning the kernel patch I sent you ?
[11:16] <Tonio_> crimsun_: including it wouldn't break the featurefreeze as this closes a bug, but I don't know how long it'll be integrable to the hardy kernel branch....
[11:18] <Tonio_> crimsun_: http://paste.toniox.org/2813 for the link
[11:20] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: !!!
[11:22] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/dragonplayer_2.0-1.html
[12:07] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: yay
[12:12] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: about the .directory - apparently eean is going to release 2.0.1, if I get a FFE I'll just remove it with this upload
[12:13] <apachelogger_> nixternal: technically that plasma-appletsrc shouldn't be there ... since I thought I removed it ... since plasma doesn't handle it nicely ... investigating
[12:15] <apachelogger_> Riddell: nice commit ;-)
[12:16] <Riddell> apachelogger_: which?
[12:17] <apachelogger_> Riddell: the one to k-d-s deactivating all of KDE 4 without knowing what exactly caused the issue :P
[12:18] <Riddell> a quick fix
[12:20] <apachelogger_> yeah
[12:21] <Riddell> apachelogger_: someone said it was userProfileMapFile=/etc/kde-user-profile which broke it
[12:21] <Riddell> although I don't know why it would
[12:22] <apachelogger_> Riddell: it does, but why is included in the kde4rc?
[12:22] <apachelogger_> I removed it since it was causing these issues for me as well
[12:23] <Riddell> apachelogger_: then you didn't commit to bzr?
[12:23] <apachelogger_> nope
[12:24] <apachelogger_> kde4rc doesn't include it :)
[12:24] <apachelogger_> but
[12:24] <apachelogger_> I found the problem
[12:24] <apachelogger_> someone removed the TODO from TODO-plasma-appletsrc
[12:24] <apachelogger_> which pretty much breaks all applet loading
[12:24] <Riddell> apachelogger_: ./kde-profile/kde4rc does
[12:25] <apachelogger_> Riddell: for me it only includes [Directories-default]
[12:27] <Riddell> the file isn't even here http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-default-settings/ubuntu/files/jr%40wido-20080219001716-nns8wft4fgmdlk3m?file_id=kdeprofile-20061005105955-9qo1onrsjnsjpxn8-9
[12:27] <Riddell> spooky
[12:27] <apachelogger_> Oo
[12:27] <apachelogger_> spooky indeed
[12:29]  * apachelogger_ creates a new branch
[12:30] <apachelogger_> Riddell: anyway, should I prefix plasma-appletsrc with a TODO- again, or just remove it to prevent this breakage in future?
[12:31] <apachelogger_> Oo
[12:32] <Riddell> apachelogger_: TODO is fine
[12:32] <apachelogger_> Riddell: kde4rc doesn't exist in a new branch either
[12:32] <Riddell> my fresh checkout has no kde4rc file at all
[12:32] <apachelogger_> so not only svn is eating files :S
[12:33] <Riddell> mm
[12:35] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: ok, tell me when you upload it and i'll poke it towards Debian
[12:36] <apachelogger_> aye
[12:36] <Riddell> err, upload k-d-s to debian?
[12:36] <jpatrick> Riddell: dragonplayer
[12:36] <Riddell> phew
[12:38] <apachelogger_> hehe
[12:38] <apachelogger_> Riddell: should I leave slim-glow in k-d-s?
[12:38] <apachelogger_> as we don't use it, there is not much point in keeping IMO
[12:40] <jpatrick> Riddell: btw, we need the stuff in #kubuntu-offtopic :)
[12:41] <Riddell> apachelogger_: I don't think we should keep it
[12:41] <Riddell> jpatrick: whit?
[12:42] <Riddell> apachelogger_: although it can be packaged separately
[12:42] <jpatrick> Riddell: access ;)
[12:42] <Riddell> I don't follow
[12:43] <apachelogger_> hm
[12:43] <jpatrick>  /msg ChanServ access #kubuntu-offtopic list
[12:43]  * apachelogger_ gets a coffee, before he breaks something due to insufficient caffeine
[12:45] <Riddell> jpatrick: done
[12:45] <jpatrick> Riddell: thanks, also stdin and jussi01 would make good canidates :)
[12:47] <Riddell> done
[12:47] <jpatrick> thanks alot :)
[12:54] <apachelogger_> Riddell: I leave slim-glow untouched for now. we can always remove it later on, if we don't want to package it seperately
[12:55] <sebas> apachelogger_: Don't forget to package fluffybunny. :-)
[12:56] <apachelogger_> sebas: hehe, as soon as plasma supports GUI based theme changing ;-)
[12:56] <sebas> apachelogger_: trunk/ does :)
[12:58]  * apachelogger_ thinks that was pretty much a request for including a patch in our kdebase
[12:59] <apachelogger_> Riddell: pushed r153 of k-d-s
[13:15] <tekteen> what is kubuntu summer of code?
[13:15] <Riddell> ?
[13:17] <tekteen> Riddell: is it kubuntu's mentoring program for google summer of code?
[13:19] <Riddell> tekteen: never heard of it
[13:20]  * Jucato thinks tekteen misinterpreted the link in the topic
[13:20] <tekteen> ok
[13:20] <tekteen> what is it?
[13:21] <Jucato> ideas for GSoC, for would-be Kubuntu participation
[13:21] <tekteen> what is the link to Kubuntu Summer Of Code Ideas?
[13:21] <tekteen> ok
[13:22] <tekteen> so my second comment?
[13:22] <tekteen> kubuntu within GSoC
[13:22] <Jucato> if that's what you meant.yeah
[13:23] <tekteen> ok
[13:23] <blizzzek> bye
[13:23] <tekteen> I am not old enough to join GSoC
[13:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just noticed kdesudo is becoming popular on kde-apps :) gentoo now had an ebuild
[13:52] <buz> maybe a decent power manager gui for kde4 could be an useful gsoc contribution?
[13:53] <jpatrick> buz: I believe kde are working on one..
[13:53] <buz> does gsoc even accept "distro only" stuff?
[13:53] <Riddell> that would be good
[13:54] <Riddell> maybe sebas knows the progress on the plasma one
[13:54] <buz> a md raid gui would be neat
[13:55] <smarter> what's the minimal age for GSoC participation?
[13:55] <buz> scripts for weekly kde svn snapshots
[13:58] <Riddell> smarter: 18
[13:59] <jpatrick> smarter: we'll have our chance, don't worry
[13:59] <smarter> jpatrick: ;)
[14:00] <smarter> it means that I've four years to finish my C++ book ^^'
[14:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: will you be at fosdem finally ? I'll arrive on saturday 10:15 AM
[14:01] <buz> hacking dvd iso support into kaffeine would be nice, but i think thats more of a xine job than anything else
[14:01] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes
[14:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: nice ;)
[14:01] <Riddell> buz: kaffeine can play dvds fine
[14:02] <buz> but not isos
[14:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll send you an sms when on site so that we can find each other, unless you don't wan't to see me of course :)
[14:02] <buz> i'm too lazy to swap dvds so i have a bunch of isos on my NAS
[14:02] <buz> to watch them i have to mount them via loopback
[14:02] <Tonio_> buz: can't you mount your iso and then read it with kaffeine ?
[14:02] <buz> yeah i do that :P
[14:03] <Tonio_> buz: well post a feature request bug to kaffeine bugtracker then ;)
[14:03] <buz> i think it should go to xine
[14:03] <Tonio_> buz: there isn't much we can do I'm affraid...
[14:04] <Tonio_> buz: also, you can use http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/kfuseiso?content=46526 to make the mounting process easier :)
[14:05] <buz> neat
[14:05] <buz> i'll check that
[14:05] <Tonio_> buz: this one seems better : http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/MountISO?content=11577
[14:06] <buz> well mplayer actually can play isos but it does not supoprt menu :(
[14:07] <Jucato> (stdin made a mountISO thingy too)
[14:08] <buz> otoh, intel's xvideo implementation is badly broken anyway
[14:08] <Tonio_> Jucato: duplicating efforts is bad :)
[14:08] <buz> so until they fix this, i cant watch videos very well
[14:08] <Tonio_> buz: same with ati fglrx :)
[14:08] <Jucato> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/MountFile?content=61955
[14:08] <buz> not quite that badly
[14:09] <Tonio_> buz: simply no xv at all ;)
[14:09] <Jucato> "It's different from other scripts in that it uses the KDE GUI (kdialog) to get the file/mount point and password (kdesu) from the user (though everything is still done in the bash shell)." (according to stdin)
[14:09] <Tonio_> same with radeonhd, although this is supposed to be added soon
[14:09] <buz> oh my at1400 occasionally did xvideo
[14:09] <buz> then after the next reboot it stopped doing it
[14:09] <buz> after 2 months i got rid of that machine :P
[14:09] <Tonio_> buz: I was talking about recent chips, like tha all X1xxx series
[14:10] <buz> yeah i mine was radeon 1400
[14:10] <buz> figured i go to open source heroes at intel only to see that they dont do xvideo properly either
[14:10] <Tonio_> well, sad to say, but nvidia seems to provide good video drivers for linux.....
[14:10] <buz> sort of
[14:10] <Tonio_> btw, I'm hopefull concerning radeonhd
[14:11] <buz> well i'm hopeful concerning intel, too
[14:11] <Tonio_> 2008 will see 3D and 2D acceleration as well as XVideo support coming arround
[14:12] <buz> if it was for me, i would want h.264 acceleration
[14:12] <buz> but i doubt thats gonna happen
[14:12] <Tonio_> no chance :)
[14:12] <buz> mhh intel 4100 supposedly can do it
[14:13] <buz> not sure if they will support it on linux though
[14:38]  * Tm_T is slowly going to panic mode
[14:41] <jjesse> Tm_T: why the panic mode?
[14:41] <jjesse> don't people usually quickly go into panic mode?
[14:41] <Tm_T> not me
[14:41] <Tm_T> well, I can go slowly or quickly
[14:41] <Tm_T> jjesse: UDW hour is closing
[14:42] <jjesse> UDW?
[14:43] <Tm_T> Ubuntu Developer Week
[14:43] <jjesse> oh
[14:43] <jjesse> what channel is that one?
[14:43] <Tm_T> #ubuntu-classroom
[14:44] <jjesse> you doing a session i assume?
[14:44] <Tm_T> should in 3 hours or so
[14:48] <apachelogger> Tm_T: I think you need a tea, mom
[15:07] <Tm_T> apachelogger: indeed
[15:16] <jjesse> is the current kubntu-kde4 alternate cd how things are going to look for the hardy release?
[15:16] <jjesse> or will it be a live cd?
[15:19] <jjesse> cause it will be a big difference how the book goes
[15:34] <Riddell> jjesse: it'll be a live CD
[15:35] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: 5.0b includes a .svn directory in ts - please ensure that you don't ship any .svn .git etc. directories
[15:35] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: yeah I know
[15:35] <apache|mobile> :)
[15:36] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: removed them in v0.5. fixing some more things and releasing it in about half an hour
[15:36] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: ok, packaging is almost finished
[15:36] <jjesse> Riddell: cool thanks
[15:36] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: and then concert time!
[15:41] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: concert time?
[15:42] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: yeah. there is a concert in about 4-5 hours
[15:42] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: ah, very nice :)
[15:42] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: y
[15:43] <apache|mobile> me loves concerts
[15:48] <apache|mobile> oh
[15:48] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: the application icon should go into hicolor not oxygen
[15:48] <Artemis_Fowl> ?
[15:48] <Artemis_Fowl> why?
[15:48] <apache|mobile> ox64-app-kgrubeditor.png
[15:48] <Artemis_Fowl> y i know
[15:49] <Artemis_Fowl> why sould it go there?
[15:49] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: otherwise it's not accessible for non-kde
[15:49] <apache|mobile> or rather, non-oxygen using desktop
[15:49] <Artemis_Fowl> so rename all ox to hi?
[15:49] <apache|mobile> while hicolor is the lowest fallback for _all_ freedesktop compatible desktops
[15:49] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: yes
[15:49] <Artemis_Fowl> ok
[15:49] <Riddell> not all
[15:49] <Riddell> just the one used in the menu .desktop file
[15:50] <apache|mobile> true
[15:51] <Tm_T> stdin: one issue gone with packages of .9 is, Amarok collection lost ;((
[15:51] <stdin> hmm, wonder how/why that is..
[15:52] <apache|mobile> Tm_T: collection lost in KDE 4?
[15:52] <Tm_T> apache|mobile: nope, 3.5.9
[15:52] <apache|mobile> Oo
[15:52] <apache|mobile> that is rather strange actually
[15:52] <apache|mobile> though, maybe the issues are the same
[15:53] <Tm_T> it is, well, actually it got "forgot" totally, including what dirs what selected
[15:53] <Tm_T> I had to reselect and rescan
[15:53] <apache|mobile> uh
[15:53] <apache|mobile> yeah
[15:53] <apache|mobile> sounds pretty much the same
[15:53] <apache|mobile> Amarok wasn't able to get the HAL id of partitions from kded
[15:54] <Tm_T> apache|mobile: you little!
[15:54] <apache|mobile> so it lost all traces of that partition
[15:54]  * apache|mobile gives Tm_T a cup of tea
[15:54] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: compiling hopefully with the last changes
[15:56] <apache|mobile> uhm
[15:56] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: grub settings -> background -> splash preview doesn't go away
[15:57] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: click on it :)
[15:57] <apache|mobile> nah, doesn't work
[15:57] <apache|mobile> maybe it's an .0b issue
[15:57] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: really? have tried numerous previews. none caused any problem at all. let me check it out
[15:59] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: http://aplg.kollide.net/ubuntu_black.xpm.gz
[15:59] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: did it over 20 times. maybe it is splash-image-specific. upload somewhere the splashimage
[16:00] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: u are really quick :)
[16:00] <apache|mobile> I am way ahead :P
[16:00] <apache|mobile> btw, if anyone wants a screeny: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot89.png
[16:02] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: no problem with the splash image over here. do a 'ls -l /tmp'
[16:02] <manchicken> Is pycentral broken for anybody else?
[16:02] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root<PHONE_NUMBER>-02-19 17:02 qgrubeditor.xpm
[16:03] <apache|mobile> ah
[16:03] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: issue found
[16:03] <apache|mobile> it only happens with composite
[16:03] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: really strange.
[16:05]  * apache|mobile does a testbuild
[16:08] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: everything seems to be working properly. o.5 will be out in about 5-10 mins
[16:08] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: did you fix the issue with composite?
[16:09] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: I have no clue why this is happening. it certainly is not due to my code. maybe ask the Qt devs to fix it....
[16:09] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: hehe, we probably should just never talk about it again and hope none discovers it ;-)
[16:09] <apache|mobile> <-- totally lazy
[16:10] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: question: are the .desktop files ok? they are under the other/ subdirectory
[16:11] <apache|mobile> hm
[16:11] <apache|mobile> I think
[16:11] <apache|mobile> Exec=gksu /usr/bin/kgrubeditor
[16:11] <apache|mobile> should be
[16:11] <apache|mobile> Exec=gksu kgrubeditor
[16:12] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: ok fixed. anything else?
[16:12] <apache|mobile> or
[16:12] <apache|mobile> hm
[16:12] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: did you try it?
[16:12] <apache|mobile> I am not 100% sure this is going to work
[16:12] <Tm_T> Scorpions - Hell-Cat
[16:12]  * apache|mobile knows nothing about gksu
[16:12] <Tm_T> apache|mobile: MEOWWW
[16:13] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: me neither
[16:13] <apache|mobile> very good :)
[16:13] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: I don't even have gksu installed
[16:13] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: you could ask someone in #ubuntu-devel if this is going to work
[16:14] <apache|mobile> but I just noticed, that I have to fiddle with it anyway
[16:14] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: it works
[16:14] <apache|mobile> ok
[16:15] <apache|mobile> otherwise the desktop files seem ok to me
[16:15] <apache|mobile> well
[16:15] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: another question
[16:15] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: instalation path isn't correct
[16:15] <apache|mobile> for kgrubeditor.desktop
[16:16] <apache|mobile> it goes into XDG/applications/kde4
[16:16] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: why the hell isn't the scalable icon installed?
[16:16] <apache|mobile> while it should go into XDG/applictions
[16:16] <apache|mobile> interessting question
[16:17] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: btw pics/CMakeLists.txt is missing a newline at the end
[16:17] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: fixed
[16:17] <Artemis_Fowl> install( FILES other/kgrubeditor.desktop  DESTINATION  ${XDG_APPS_INSTALL_DIR} )
[16:17] <Artemis_Fowl> install( FILES other/kgrubeditor-kde.desktop  DESTINATION  ${XDG_APPS_INSTALL_DIR} )
[16:18] <Artemis_Fowl> how should I modify these lines in order for the .desktop files to go to XDG/applictions
[16:18] <Artemis_Fowl> ???
[16:18] <apache|mobile> well, maybe it just ends up in the wrong path because of kubuntu
[16:18] <apache|mobile> because these lines actually look totally right to me
[16:19] <apache|mobile> hm
[16:20] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: I think KDE's cmake modules modify XDG_APPS_INSTALL_DIR to go into XDG_APPS_INSTALL_DIR/kde4
[16:20] <apache|mobile> so only way to fix this would be to reset it for kgrubeditor.desktop
[16:20] <apache|mobile> but since I have no clue how to do this, right now, I would just leave it that way
[16:20] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: ok
[16:21] <apache|mobile> technically gnome should search XDG_APPS_INSTALL_DIR recursive anyway
[16:21] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: next issue is the scalable icon
[16:22] <Riddell> is anyone doing the Ubuntu Derivatives Team talk for Kubuntu?
[16:22] <Tm_T> Riddell: I was asked, so I could do it
[16:23] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: the name is wrong
[16:23] <Riddell> Tm_T: it's just after your talk :)
[16:23] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: it should be a .svgz (i.e. gzip compressed)
[16:23]  * ScottK prefers to think of Kubuntu as more of a companion than a derivative ...
[16:23] <Tm_T> Riddell: so it's natural to me to continue for that bit? ;)
[16:23] <apache|mobile> not a plain .svg
[16:23] <Riddell> Tm_T: I've no idea what would need to be said, probably just need to be in the channel to answer questions
[16:23] <Riddell> ScottK++
[16:23] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: strange. in KDE's svn that's the naming scheme they use
[16:23] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: nah, they use svgz all over the place :D
[16:23] <Tm_T> Riddell: I will try to hang out there, yes :)
[16:23] <apache|mobile> saves a lot of space
[16:23] <apache|mobile> and bandwith
[16:23] <apache|mobile> etc.
[16:24] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: and how do I compress it? using Inkshape? my Graphics designer certainly can't make it today
[16:24] <smarter> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=415311 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=427835 << Which one is open?
[16:24] <ubotu> Debian bug 415311 in wnpp "ITP: qdevelop -- A Development Environment for Qt4" [Wishlist,Open]
[16:25] <smarter> Debian BTS is so confusing...
[16:25] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: just do a "Save As..." and ensure the ending is .svgz
[16:25] <apache|mobile> inkscape should then automagically compress it
[16:26] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: omg I have installed so much crap in this system...I think it will blow sometime
[16:26] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: hehe, my HDD is filled with stuff needed to build/debug/test KDE 4
[16:26] <apache|mobile> there is like 1 gig left now :D
[16:27] <apache|mobile> eventually my system even refuses to start sometimes
[16:27] <dasKreech> I was always interested on how source code could be bigger than the programs
[16:27] <Artemis_Fowl> since when was inkshape renamed to inkscape?
[16:28] <Artemis_Fowl> i had to open the damn Synaptic manager to find this out.....
[16:28] <apache|mobile> it was named inkshape? Oo
[16:28] <nixternal> mornin'
[16:28] <apache|mobile> anoy nixternal
[16:28] <apache|mobile> nixternal: what issues were you having with k-d-s?
[16:28] <apache|mobile> hm
[16:28] <apache|mobile> anoy
[16:29] <apache|mobile> all new word :D
[16:29]  * apache|mobile adds that to his dict as 'annoyed ahoy'
[16:29] <nixternal> apache|mobile: wasn't just me, it was everyone and their mother...KDE 4 didn't work, and you couldn't use KDE 4 apps within KDE 3, including qtconfig-qt4
[16:30] <apache|mobile> hmmmm
[16:30] <apache|mobile> KDE 4 within KDE 3
[16:30] <apache|mobile> any ideas why?
[16:30] <smarter> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=415311 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=427835 << Which one is open?
[16:30] <ubotu> Debian bug 415311 in wnpp "ITP: qdevelop -- A Development Environment for Qt4" [Wishlist,Open]
[16:32] <nixternal> apache|mobile: kde4rc pointing at kde-user-profile seemed to be an issue, because commenting it out would at least allow you to log into KDE 4, but nothing worked until everything in kde4rc was removed
[16:32] <nixternal> there are settings somewhere in the k-d-s stuff for kde4 that isn't working
[16:32] <apache|mobile> well
[16:33] <apache|mobile> plasma wouldn't load
[16:33] <apache|mobile> because someone renamed TODO-plasma-appletsrc to plasma-appletsrc
[16:33] <apache|mobile> which makes plasma go wocka
[16:33] <apache|mobile> if userProfileMapFile=/etc/kde-user-profile is in kde4rc kde4 wouldn't start at all
[16:34] <apache|mobile> but technically both issues should be fixed in latest revision of k-d-s
[16:34] <apache|mobile> nixternal: can you please try the version in bzr?
[16:34] <apache|mobile> nixternal: and please uncomment the makefile lines if it is working :)
[16:34]  * apache|mobile luckily forgot that
[16:34] <nixternal> in a bit...gotta catch up on email, and then finish my homework
[16:42] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: v0.5 was successfully packaged and installed. now uploading
[16:45] <Artemis_Fowl> source forge is too sluggish
[16:45] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: I can suggest launchpad ;-)
[16:46] <apache|mobile> or you could join the KDE extragear and use KDE for tarball hosting etc.
[16:46] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: launchpad provides SVN?
[16:46] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: nope, but Bazaar
[16:46] <apache|mobile> which is similar to GIT
[16:47] <apache|mobile> alternately you could use KDE SVN and do the release stuff and tarball hosting on launchpad
[16:47] <apache|mobile> LP can import SVN, so it wouldn't make much difference for a visitor who wants to browse the source the code in LP
[16:48] <apache|mobile> wb Nightrose
[16:49] <Nightrose> re :)
[16:49]  * Nightrose cuddles apache|mobile
[16:50] <apache|mobile> Nightrose: wie war die uni? :P
[16:50] <Nightrose> <- bOrked from hacking
[16:50] <apache|mobile> hehe
[16:50] <apache|mobile> you shouldn't do hacking with sven.... I imagine that super exhausting
[16:50] <Nightrose> :P
[16:50] <Nightrose> *g* exactly
[16:50] <Nightrose> and we two hacking on some strange crypto stuff = fail :P
[16:51] <ScottK> Artemis_Fowl: Of course you should consider if it's important to host your Free Software project on a system that is also FOSS.  Neither LP nor Sourceforge qualify in that regard.
[16:51] <apache|mobile> Nightrose: hehe
[16:51] <apache|mobile> Nightrose: I created 443 SLOC yesterday
[16:51] <Nightrose> apache|mobile: wohooooooo
[16:51] <Nightrose> for neon?
[16:52] <apache|mobile> yep
[16:52] <Nightrose> nifty :)
[16:52] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: ScottK is right on this, in case it is important I can suggest KDE
[16:52] <Nightrose> oh and sven of course always gets super excited about the most absurd crypto stuff - it´s actually quite funny ;-)
[16:53] <ScottK> apache|mobile: How many of the 443 were correct?
[16:53] <Nightrose> oO
[16:53] <apache|mobile> Nightrose: considering that I think sven might write code alan cox wouldn't like
[16:53] <Nightrose> indeed
[16:53] <apache|mobile> ScottK: all, I am tha uberrubyhaXX0r :P
[16:54] <Nightrose> hehe
[16:54] <Artemis_Fowl> ok. Upload to SourceForge is done. Following KDE-apps.org
[16:55]  * ScottK touched about 50 lines yesterday, but only netted about 10 more than I started with and rolled a release candidate tarball.
[16:55] <Nightrose> <- about 200 today
[16:55] <Nightrose> including about 50 that were worthless
[16:56] <Riddell> Artemis_Fowl: people still use sourceforge?
[16:56] <apache|mobile> Riddell: what's the alternative really?
[16:56] <Artemis_Fowl> Riddell: not really :) but it provides me with something I need: SVN
[16:56] <Riddell> Artemis_Fowl: sourceforge does subversion?
[16:56] <Riddell> I thought they only had cvs
[16:56] <apache|mobile> nah
[16:56] <nixternal> they do svn as well
[16:57] <apache|mobile> they have SVN as long as KDE does
[16:57] <Riddell> well well
[16:57] <Tm_T> but it's even buggier than their cvs which tend to be broken every time I need it
[16:57] <apache|mobile> :D
[16:57] <apache|mobile> oh
[16:57] <apache|mobile> google code is also nice
[16:57] <apache|mobile> and it has SVN
[16:57]  * apache|mobile likes google code hosting for small projects
[16:58] <Riddell> nothing is easier to use than launchpad, in my humble opinion
[16:58] <Tm_T> true
[16:58] <Tm_T> though I fail to use it too =)
[16:59] <nosrednaekim> Riddell » I think that probably you should put a disclaimer in there ;)
[16:59] <apache|mobile> ^_^
[16:59]  * apache|mobile kicks sed
[16:59] <apache|mobile> I never liked that application
[16:59] <apache|mobile> never will
[16:59] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: of what?
[17:00] <nosrednaekim> Riddell » you work for the comapny that makes it :)
[17:01] <Artemis_Fowl> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=75442
[17:01] <Riddell> there is that, but bzr really is the best revision control system and launchpad makes it oh so easy to host with it, I'm not just saying it to make my employer happy :)
[17:01] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobileL you may start whenever you want
[17:01] <Riddell> 17:01 < dholbach> Next up is "MOTU Processes"  in #ubuntu-classroom
[17:02] <Riddell> 9Kubuntu talk in 1 hour)
[17:02] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: please let me know when the .deb package is ready. I really need it
[17:02] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: for?
[17:03] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: oh and don't forget its tricky dependency: imagemagick
[17:03] <apache|mobile> Riddell: I guess we can throw kgrubeditor in the PPA neverminding whether it gets a freeze exception?
[17:03] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: it depends on imagemagick?
[17:03] <Riddell> apache|mobile: of course
[17:03] <apache|mobile> cool
[17:03] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: yeah...in order to decompress the splash images
[17:04] <apache|mobile> omg
[17:04] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: it can work without it but if there is no imagemagick, you get no splash image creation/preview
[17:06] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: it only requires 'convert'?
[17:06] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: y
[17:07] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: and of course gzip
[17:07] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: but you told me there is no need for such a dependency
[17:07] <apache|mobile> well, gzip is a baseutil so I don't need to depend on it
[17:07] <apache|mobile> right :D
[17:08] <Riddell> mzungu: can you do the question forwarding for Tm_T's talk in an hour?
[17:08] <Tm_T> pretty pretty please?
[17:08] <mzungu> ok
[17:08] <mzungu> just going to eat for now
[17:08] <mzungu> ;)
[17:09] <Tm_T> :)
[17:09] <Tm_T> same here
[17:09] <Tm_T> and coffee, a lot
[17:09] <mzungu> (ugali, sukuma-wiki, and nyama ;) )
[17:10] <apache|mobile> mhhh
[17:10] <apache|mobile> coffee
[17:11] <Artemis_Fowl> omg. kde-apps is stupid. KGRUBEditor completely disappeared (you could only access it using the direct URL) and it did not appear until I updated it for second time......
[17:17] <Tm_T> hrrrrrr
[17:17]  * Tm_T is getting very nervous
[17:17] <Tm_T> so time to play some guitar =)
[17:17]  * apache|mobile gives Tm_T another cup of tea
[17:37] <jussi01> Tm_T: calm down, its all good :)
[17:40] <Tm_T> it is NOT
[17:40] <Tm_T> in my age nothing is good
[17:42] <jussi01> Tm_T: hehe, yes it is, nothing to stress about
[17:42] <Tm_T> bah, I can't even stress peacefully these days ;))
[17:42]  * Tm_T hugs jussi01
[17:42] <jussi01> hehe
[17:42]  * jussi01 hugs Tm_T
[17:43] <jussi01> Tm_T: go play a song on your guitar for me ok?
[17:43] <Tm_T> can't, already bleeding in fingertips
[17:43] <jussi01> Tm_T: Play Collective Soul - Run
[17:44] <Tm_T> dunno that
[17:44] <Tm_T> I crawled thru Blue Oyster Cult album Secret Treaties
[17:45] <jussi01> Tm_T: go look it up, great song :)
[17:45] <buz> has anyone got a laptop with a highres screen? on mine, okular shows pdf way too small
[17:45] <buz> but acroread is perfect
[17:45] <Tm_T> buz: laptop is needed for...
[17:45] <nosrednaekim> buz » 1440x900?
[17:45] <buz> nosrednaekim: yes (mine is 1920x1200 at 15")
[17:46] <jussi01> Tm_T: http://www.azchords.com/c/collectivesoul-tabs-841/run-tabs-103448.html
[17:46] <buz> Tm_T: because desktop lcd generally all have the same dpi
[17:46] <Tm_T> buz: I don't have lcd, but I force strange dpi with my 19" CRT
[17:46] <buz> well i'm more inclined to believe okular ignores the dpi
[17:47] <Tm_T> buz: could be possibility
[17:47] <buz> because acrobat scales according to dpi, whereas okular is always off the same factor
[17:48] <buz> same in kpdf, so it's probably a poppler bug
[17:48] <Tm_T> hmm
[17:49]  * Tm_T is happy with kpdf in his whacky 1792x1344 resolution
[17:49] <mzungu> Riddell, Tm_T, I may have to duck - we've just lost power here (ah! the joys of africa!)
[17:49] <Tm_T> his/her/its
[17:49] <Tm_T> mzungu: roger
[17:49] <jussi01> mzungu: nm, Ive got it, if need be
[17:49] <Tm_T> jussi01: I was about to ask you, thanks son
[17:49] <jussi01> :)
[17:50] <buz> you run a 19" crt at that resolution? wow
[17:50] <Tm_T> buz: yes?
[17:50] <buz> did not know that was possible
[17:50] <mzungu> great - hopefully, it will return - but thought i'd better let you know ;)
[17:50] <jussi01> mzungu: good luck :)
[17:50] <Tm_T> buz: 75 Hz and colours I haven't seen on any LCD yet :(
[17:50] <Tm_T> buz: reasons I'm still with CRT
[17:50] <buz> well yes
[17:50] <buz> but they need too much space
[17:50] <buz> plus i get headache at below 100hz
[17:51] <Tm_T> that's not a problem here
[17:51] <Tm_T> and I'm used to have 60 Hz monitors
[17:51] <buz> i cant stand 60hz for 5min even
[17:51] <buz> i can live with 85 for a while
[17:51] <buz> but not for too long
[17:52] <Tm_T> heh
[17:52] <Tm_T> I don't notice any flickering here
[17:52] <Tm_T> and eyes are good with these settings, but if you make me read some shiny white paper in bright light, I'll kill you after I'm gone blind and bleeding
[17:52] <buz> hehe
[17:53] <Tm_T> buz: http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/current.png
[17:53] <Tm_T> ugly, I know, and don't care, it's best thus far for me
[17:53] <buz> is there any way to get the qt3 apps to inherit kde4 colors?
[17:53] <Tm_T> mmmm, no idea
[17:53] <nosrednaekim> buz » not that I have seen
[17:53] <Tm_T> I mainly use KDE3 still
[17:54] <buz> i would like the dark kde4 style but it's useless without matching kde3 colors
[17:54] <buz> nosrednaekim: there's a setting in system settings but it does not work
[17:54] <nosrednaekim> yeah.... it works for gtk apps though
[17:56] <buz> i have occasionally seen kde3 apps adopt kde4 colors
[17:56] <buz> but damn me if i can figure out how to force it
[17:58] <Riddell> ** Kubuntu talk about to begin in #ubuntu-classroom
[17:59] <buz> nosrednaekim: the checkbox in colors dialog does not even remember the setting upon restarts of system settings
[17:59] <buz> probably does not work because of that
[18:09] <jussi01> Tm_T: when do you want the questions to start?
[18:09] <Tm_T> jussi01: pretty much rightaway
[18:09] <jussi01> kk
[18:11] <Riddell> jussi01: paste who the question is from too
[18:11] <jussi01> Riddell: sure
[18:13] <Tm_T> jussi01: hrr, quick rolling
[18:13] <jussi01> hehe, sorry
[18:13] <jussi01> Tm_T: yoou want to next me when you are done?
[18:14] <Tm_T> jussi01: nah, just make sure I manage to answer, or someone else
[18:14] <jussi01> ok
[18:14] <coreymon77> hi people
[18:19] <jussi01> Tm_T: best if you next me ;)
[18:20] <coreymon77> thats better
[18:20] <coreymon77> anyways
[18:21] <Tm_T> jussi01: going mostly fine thanks, but sure if needed I poke
[18:21] <coreymon77> so, we have a meeting tomorrow huh?
[18:21] <coreymon77> i might actually be able to make this one
[18:21] <coreymon77> seeing as its at a sane time for me
[18:22] <coreymon77> meh
[18:22] <coreymon77> bye
[18:23] <Tm_T> apache|mobile: MOOOH!
[18:47] <polopolo> hello all
[18:47] <Tm_T> polopolo: welcome :)
[18:47] <polopolo> Is this the place to ask if something can be added on a package?
[18:47] <Tm_T> sure
[18:47] <polopolo> well
[18:48] <mhb> hi folks, hope you're keeping Kubuntu rocking while I'm really busy with school
[18:48] <polopolo> in the ubuntu-restricted-extras a package is included called msttcorefonts
[18:49] <nosrednaekim> mhb » yep :)
[18:49] <mhb> advice to you: if you want to learn something really hard, go for set theory
[18:49] <polopolo> but in kubuntu-restricted-extras, it's not, is it possible to include it
[18:49] <polopolo> for the next version after hardy?
[18:49] <Tm_T> maaaaaah I'm frozen
[18:49] <ScottK> That's not a bad suggestion.
[18:50] <cheguevara> yeah it makes sense
[18:50] <steveire> Hi. Regarding the 3.5.9 packages in ppa. Are they going to get into a more official and supported repo at any time?
[18:50] <Tm_T> steveire: see kubuntu.org
[18:51] <Tm_T> I wonder how they are unsupported now
[18:51] <steveire> Tm_T: That's what I'm talking about
[18:51] <steveire> It's in a ppa rather than anywhere else (signed)
[18:51] <ScottK> steveire: The only potential target for more official would be gutsy-backports and that's equally unsupported.
[18:51] <_StefanS_> what was that change you need to do in order to get kde4 to work... something in the startup script
[18:51] <Tm_T> steveire: heh, IMO that's best support, lp ftw (true signing would be good)
[18:52] <nosrednaekim> _StefanS_ » nothing I know of..it should just work
[18:53] <_StefanS_> nosrednaekim: right, but not if you updated with the latest packages
[18:53] <_StefanS_> nosrednaekim: userProfileMapFile=/etc/kde-user-profile should be commented out or something
[18:53] <_StefanS_> brb
[18:53] <nosrednaekim> oh....
[18:54] <steveire> There used to be a kubuntu.org repo crypto signed for this stuff.
[18:56] <steveire> I bring up support because the page says 'These packages are not well supported.'
[19:02] <Tm_T> phew
[19:02] <jussi01> Tm_T: Im off, catch you in a bit!
[19:02] <Tm_T> jussi01: thanks son :))
[19:02] <jussi01> no probs dad :)
[19:03] <Nightrose> Tm_T: well done mom ;-)
[19:03] <nosrednaekim> :)
[19:04] <cheguevara> lol
[19:07] <smarter> How can I get my qdevelop package in Debian?
[19:08] <Tm_T> Nightrose: well done my own grave that is, my dear child?
[19:08] <Nightrose> ;-) nah
[19:20] <nixternal> man, there were so many duplicate kde4 bugs, and kde4 bugs created almost a year ago....cleaned up quite a few though
[19:21] <nixternal> now it is time to work on homework!
[19:21] <nixternal> yay! I hate database homework!
[19:21] <cheguevara> lol
[19:22] <nixternal> actually, I hate functional dependencies
[19:22] <nixternal> oh well, gotta get it done within the hour though...back in a bit
[19:26] <jjesse> nixternal: still snowing in chi town?
[19:30] <nareshov> need help with kde4 startup, .xsession-error has something in it
[20:13] <nixternal> jjesse: hasn't snowed in chicago at all...we haven't had any snow in over a week now...just cold
[20:14] <cheguevara> nareshov, whast the something
[20:14] <cheguevara> *whats
[20:14] <nosrednaekim> cheguevara » he figured it out.
[20:14] <nosrednaekim> it was the k-d-s again <_<
[20:14] <cheguevara> oh kk :P
[20:14] <cheguevara> yeah that what i was thinking :P
[20:15] <oloughlin75> k-d-s?
[20:15] <cheguevara> kubuntu-default-settings
[20:15] <oloughlin75> ohh
[20:18] <jjesse> nixternal: must be nice to not have snow in a week.... we are still gettting snow... they are concerned the grand river might flood
[20:18] <jjesse> when the snow melts
[20:19] <nixternal> ya, we have the salt creek, dupage river, and the des plaines river all threatening to flood when the thaw occurs
[20:19] <nixternal> thankfully we live on a huge hill, so flooding doesn't bother us
[20:20] <jjesse> yeah i don't live near the river but there was a big story on it on saturday
[20:38] <Tm_T> yay, I got doctor for monday <3
[20:39] <Tm_T> my things are moving forward very quickly
[20:44] <jjesse> yay for doctor appoitnments
[20:45] <uga> oh my... (not worksafe, but... related to ubuntu) http://www.frikipedia.es/images/1/1e/Ubuntu_5.11.jpg
[20:45] <uga> frikipedia is a website emulating wikipedia, but in a sarcastic style
[20:47] <uga> (translated, it'd be "freakypedia")
[20:48] <Tm_T> jjesse: indeed, especially for this kind of ones
[20:48] <smarter> uncyclopedia rocks
[20:48] <jjesse> good luck w/ the doctor then
[20:49] <Tm_T> jjesse: thanks :)
[20:49] <Tm_T> jjesse: prolly will be a start for a year(s) of therapy so it's good
[20:49] <jjesse> Tm_T: i hope he/she can figure out how best to help you out
[20:50] <Tm_T> jjesse: all she has to do is to get me further times :-P
[20:50] <buz> my experience has been that unless you go to a specialist doctor, you know more than him after 3 hours of googling
[20:50] <Tm_T> and put her name in to one paper
[20:50] <Tm_T> buz: yup, glad these doctors listen me, not just tell me what I'm supposed to feel
[20:50] <buz> well i make em listen :P
[20:50] <smarter> http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Uncyclux :}
[20:51] <Tm_T> basicly they now verify I do have thing called "asperger syndrome" or they keep wondering if it is, both are good in my case
[20:52] <jjesse> isn't that often times described as functional autism?
[20:52] <buz> well its on the autism scale
[20:52] <Tm_T> yup
[20:52] <buz> as for functioning, that would probably depend on the individual
[20:53] <Tm_T> yes
[20:53] <Tm_T> I do have one of those hard to detect ones, as being learnt lots of things to "do by hard thinking" but meh, tired to bang my head against the wall too often
[20:53] <jjesse> i think i heard that a lof IT people have some form of aspergers
[20:54] <buz> well it's somewhat hard to properly segment, some are "just" shy and introvert
[20:54] <Tm_T> buz: do I look shy? =)
[20:55] <buz> irc does not count
[20:55] <Tm_T> buz: ok, you haven't seen me "IRL" ;)
[20:56] <Tm_T> in my case it's more about what I see and understand and how I see and understand
[20:56] <buz> i dont have much trust in shrinks though
[20:57] <Tm_T> me neither, that's why I had to discover things myself
[20:57] <Tm_T> now I know when I have to say "no that's not it"
[20:58] <buz> yeah, when i go to a doctor i usually demand to run test x and z to rule out or confirm what i'm not sure about
[20:58] <Tm_T> to me it's not about am I sick or not, it's more about are my features acceptable by society or not
[20:58] <buz> not being able to figure that out does point in the autism spectrum, yes
[20:59] <buz> then again society is a bitch to figure out so...
[20:59] <Tm_T> heh, I have been trying to fit into society and "normal way of thinking" most of my life, I can't so time to make sure noone is trying to force me anymore
[20:59] <Tm_T> buz: agreed =)
[21:01] <Tm_T> shame this all took over 100 years to me to realise
[21:01] <apachelogger> d'oh
[21:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: can you please nuke kgrubeditor from the new queue
[21:02] <Tm_T> apachelogger: hey, was it you or who working with KDE3 -> KDE4 migration assistant?
[21:02]  * apachelogger defenitely thinks dput should ask which configuration to use
[21:02] <apachelogger> Tm_T: none did yet
[21:02] <buz> mhh weird
[21:03] <Tm_T> apachelogger: but you have been thinking it atleast?
[21:03] <buz> i somehow managed to "replace" kopete statuts icons with colored quadrats
[21:03] <buz> squares
[21:03] <cheguevara> apachelogger, are you gonna re-upload k-d-s with kde 4 settings again?
[21:03] <Tm_T> buz: shot please
[21:04] <hunger> Are there kde 3.5.9 debs yet?
[21:04] <buz> hunger: yes
[21:04] <Tm_T> hunger: are
[21:04] <cheguevara> they are in hardy repos and a ppa
[21:04] <apachelogger> cheguevara: only if nixternal gives his ok
[21:04] <cheguevara> kk
[21:04] <apachelogger> Tm_T: pretty much so, I geuss
[21:04] <apachelogger> *guess
[21:04] <hunger> Ah, cool, I already have them installed!
[21:05] <hunger> Just need to restart X;-) Stupid me.
[21:05] <apachelogger> lol
[21:05] <Tm_T> apachelogger: ok, because I think my summer project will somewhat "touch" this area, being migration assistant from Windows and others to Kubuntu
[21:05] <hunger> maybe I should switch to bigger fonts.
[21:05] <Tm_T> apachelogger: so, fiddling with same settings in the end
[21:06] <buz> Tm_T: http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/8268/kopetesnapshotqg0.png
[21:07] <Tm_T> buz: wow, err, how?! I mean, wow, err, wwow
[21:07] <buz> i have no f* idea
[21:07] <cheguevara> lol
[21:07] <buz> i was playing around with themeing
[21:07] <apachelogger> Tonio_: is there a reason why kdesudo-kde4 wasn't archived on revu?
[21:07] <buz> and suddenly that happened
[21:08] <buz> it actually works that way, just looks weird
[21:08] <apachelogger> jpatrick: please have a look at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kgrubeditor
[21:09] <jpatrick> apachelogger: you have two: kde4-wrapper-creation: one in rules and the other in cdbs/kde.mk
[21:09] <Tm_T> buz: but, err, that shouldn't happen, you fiddled with icon theme?
[21:09] <apachelogger> jpatrick: read comment in rules :)
[21:09] <buz> well i'm not sure whether theme manager does that
[21:09] <buz> as for the other icons, they seem to be fine
[21:09] <jpatrick> KGRUBEditor-(.*)-src\.tar\.bz2
[21:09] <jpatrick> yay
[21:10] <apachelogger> jpatrick: ?
[21:11] <Tonio_> apachelogger: because a second person needs to approve :)
[21:11] <Tonio_> apachelogger: feel free to approve it ;)
[21:11] <Tonio_> s/approve/archive
[21:11] <apachelogger> Tonio_: it already is
[21:11] <jpatrick> apachelogger: for crappy upstream tar names :)
[21:11] <buz> sounds like i maybe should reinstall hardy from scratch
[21:11] <buz> may just do that with the next iso
[21:11] <apachelogger> jpatrick: well, difference is what we like :P
[21:13] <jpatrick> apachelogger: +1 from me, looks good
[21:13]  * jpatrick logs into revu
[21:13]  * apachelogger creates a FFE request
[21:13] <jpatrick> "Feature Freeze is in effect, your packages won't get reviewed."
[21:14] <apachelogger> haha, aparently they do :P
[21:14] <jpatrick> apachelogger: just upload and let Riddell do the approving :)
[21:15] <apachelogger> jpatrick: no exception request?
[21:15] <jpatrick> apachelogger: T0n!o didn't need one, but that was kdesudo...
[21:15] <Riddell> kdesudo is in main
[21:15] <apachelogger> ok
[21:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: so don't nuke kgrubeditor but give it an approve :D
[21:16] <Tonio_> jpatrick: you didn't want me to read this ? ;)
[21:16] <Tonio_> T0n!o... ^^
[21:16] <apachelogger> jpatrick is just too leet
[21:17] <jpatrick> !leet | Tonio_
[21:17] <ubotu> Tonio_: 1337 i5 nigh-inc0mpr3h3n5ib13 70 u5 n00bs, 4nd n0b0dy c4r35 if UR 4 1337 h4x0r. Giv3 i7 4 r357.
[21:17] <jpatrick> ;-)
[21:17] <Tonio_> ;)
[21:17] <jpatrick> Tonio_: didn't want to distrib
[21:18] <Tonio_> apachelogger: well technically, kdesudo isn't a new feature, it just fixes a kde4 issue -> no way to graphically start applications with root permissions...
[21:18] <Tonio_> apachelogger: and btw, it is a kubuntu native development somehow, so it's specific
[21:19] <apachelogger> technically kgrubeditor is a bugfix release for qgrubeditor
[21:19] <apachelogger> just exchanged the q with a k I'd say :P
[21:20]  * apachelogger grabs something to drink before he dehydrates
[21:25] <Tonio_> apachelogger: hum, that can be debated....
[21:25] <Tonio_> qgrubeditor works, kdesu-kde4 doesn't :)
[21:26] <apachelogger> well, kdesu works
[21:26] <apachelogger> just not as well
[21:27] <Tonio_> apachelogger: on kde4 ?
[21:27] <apachelogger> yups
[21:27] <Tonio_> apachelogger: last time I tested, it didn't work at all....
[21:27] <apachelogger> built with sudo support
[21:27] <apachelogger> Tonio_: well, we fixed that 3 days after 4.0.0 release I think
[21:34] <Tonio_> apachelogger: oki ;)
[21:34] <Tonio_> apachelogger: well isn't that any better to have kdesudo ready for hardy ?
[21:34] <Tonio_> I think it is pretty good news, imho :)
[21:35] <apachelogger> Tonio_: oh, it is :)
[21:39] <Tonio_> apachelogger: yeah just the way we uploaded isn't nice iyho :)
[21:39] <Tonio_> apachelogger: sorry for this :)
[21:41] <apachelogger> honestly, I don't care, as long as I have kdesudo in hardy
[21:41] <cheguevara> heh
[21:44] <Tonio_> apachelogger: well kde4 version isn't perfect, but works
[21:44] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I don't plan to work on it before hardy is released, and will have hardy+1 plans for it
[21:45] <Tonio_> atm kdesudo kde3 is more important imho
[21:45] <apachelogger> yep
[21:53] <oloughlin75> has anybody used the amarok2 preview?
[21:58] <buz> i tried
[21:58] <buz> would not wrk
[21:58] <oloughlin75> i wont bother than
[21:58] <apachelogger> pfft
[21:58] <apachelogger> works for me
[21:59] <nareshov> >_>
[21:59] <oloughlin75> apachelogger: good enough to use it every day?
[21:59] <apachelogger> no
[21:59] <apachelogger> otherwise it wouldn't be a technical preview
[21:59] <oloughlin75> then i wont bother :)
[21:59] <cheguevara> lol
[22:02] <nareshov> What is knotify4 and why does it use up a lot of memory? :|
[22:32] <crimsun_> Tonio_: ok, looking now.  (Still travelling)
[23:01] <Riddell> stdin: about?
[23:33] <blizzzek> gn8
[23:43] <blueyed> Any opinions on bug 118939?
[23:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118939 in kdelibs "Apport does not get used for crashing KDE programs" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118939
[23:45] <Riddell> blueyed: KDE has its own crash handler


[00:47] <Shadow__X> no ask away
[00:47] <Shadow__X> now*
[00:48] <holyscott> Question, I have tried 2 different ways to get mythtv working, ubuntu package, and mythbuntu live cd
[00:49] <holyscott> should this be working right away or does  the live cd take some configuration still?
[00:49] <Shadow__X> holyscott, mythbuntu live cd cant be used as a frontend
[00:49] <Shadow__X> or to install mythtv
[00:49] <Shadow__X> it wont replace a mythbackend
[00:50] <holyscott> all I want to see is it running before I commit to a total reinstall
[00:50] <holyscott> my card is on the list so it should be supported
[00:50] <Shadow__X> so what running
[00:50] <holyscott> just fairly new to linux and no clue about sql stuff.
[00:50] <Shadow__X> you need to install mythtv for it to work
[00:50] <Shadow__X> holyscott, right the mythbuntu live cd is a great place to start
[00:50] <Shadow__X> you install it
[00:50] <holyscott> its a pinnacle 800i hd pci
[00:51] <Shadow__X> run it and configure hard ware and your on your way
[00:51] <Shadow__X> i have that card
[00:51] <Shadow__X> its good for digital
[00:51] <holyscott> any mthtv program, seetup, backend I run, all gives errors abotu sql database not connected
[00:52] <Shadow__X> on what install are you talking about
[00:52] <holyscott> last night I tried on linux mint kde rc1 dling the mint tv package
[00:52] <holyscott> the dl told me to set up a root password
[00:52] <holyscott> but nothing worked afterwards
[00:53] <holyscott> today, I tryed setting it up while on the live cd
[00:53] <holyscott> on the live cd I did see the configuration menu options
[00:53] <holyscott> but nothing when it went to setup mythtv.
[00:54] <holyscott> the card quit working in windows 7 and would be shocked to have it in  linux
[00:55] <Shadow__X> holyscott, first to use and have a much easier setup take the live cd
[00:55] <Shadow__X> install mythbuntu
[00:55] <Shadow__X> reboot machine
[00:55] <Shadow__X> run the newly installed mythbuntu os
[00:55] <Shadow__X> update
[00:55] <Shadow__X> then run mythbackend setup
[00:56] <holyscott> has to be installed, wont work running off a cd?
[00:56] <holyscott> better to be usiing 8.10 or 9.04 alpa 6 or wait a few days for new beta 9.04?
[00:57] <Shadow__X> holyscott, yes you need to install it the backend to my knowledge needs to be installed
[00:57] <Shadow__X> the live cd can only be used as a frontend
[00:57] <holyscott> ok
[00:57] <Shadow__X> or to install
[00:57] <Shadow__X> i would recommend 8.10
[00:58] <Shadow__X> you want something stable
[00:58] <Shadow__X> alpha is for testing and bug fixes
[00:58] <holyscott> would I have to do anything with mysql or roots or passwords, or just the setup program?
[01:00] <Shadow__X> when installing from live cd that is taken care for you
[01:00] <holyscott> awesome
[01:00] <holyscott> once I have it installed and running, it is safe to install kde or gnome over it?
[01:02] <Shadow__X> uh i wouldnt because its meant to just work along
[01:02] <Shadow__X> unless you  are going to be running a frontend somewhere else
[01:02] <Shadow__X> i mean yeah you could just depends on how strong your system is if it will handle it well
[01:02] <Shadow__X> normal workload with mysql and mythbackend
[01:02] <holyscott> I have a modern gaming pc
[01:02] <holyscott> 4 gigs
[01:02] <Shadow__X> ah alright
[01:02] <Shadow__X> cpu
[01:03] <Shadow__X> ?
[01:03] <holyscott> 3gig core2du
[01:03] <holyscott> 8800gt
[01:06] <holyscott> thanks so much for the help
[01:13] <Shadow__X> yup
[01:13] <Shadow__X> so yeah do that i will most likely be here i have no issue helping you set it up
[01:13] <Shadow__X> i really like mythtv
[01:25] <holyscott> does it use alot of cpu while recording or runniing?
[01:32] <hads> Depends what you're doing
[01:33] <holyscott> what is your system?
[04:56] <newmythh> If I have multiple capture cards for Digital and Analog, does myth automaticall switch between them when I press the channel up button, or do I have to tell it?
[18:19] <kingartus> HAllo...
[18:19] <kingartus> i have a Problem with my Live TV...
[18:19] <kingartus> video and sound are not syncron...
[18:20] <kingartus> what can i doo
[18:22] <kingartus> the Video is 2to3 Secons earlyer than sound
[18:23] <kingartus> can somewone help me?
[18:27] <tgm4883> !sound | kingartus
[18:27] <Zinn> kingartus: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Sound_Troubleshooting
[22:27] <woski> hey
[22:29] <woski> i was setting up my remote and lcd and my mytht control centre disappeared from the menu.  where is it to run it from the cl?
[22:38] <tgm4883> wombo1, mythbuntu-control-centre
[22:39] <woski> thank you sir...apparently it got uninstalled somewhere
[22:40] <woski> omg...
[22:41] <woski> so, i installed mcc and now irw doesnt work
[22:42] <woski> i now get "connect: No such file or directory"
[22:46] <woski> installing mythbuntu-control-centre wouldnt have killed lircd, would it?
[22:58] <thedarkone> hey all
[22:59] <thedarkone> i get this error when i do mythburn
[23:03] <thedarkone> ERROR: Failed while running growisofs.
[23:03] <thedarkone>  Result 1, Command was: growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd -dvd-video -V "Name of DVD" /home/username/.mythtv/temp/work/dvd
[23:03] <thedarkone> Please check the troubleshooting section of the README for ways to fix this error
[23:03] <thedarkone>  ------------------------------------------------------------
[23:03] <thedarkone> Terminated


[12:45] <Guest7041> Hello
[13:37] <ibmr50e-sylwek> hello
[13:37] <ibmr50e-sylwek> Guest7041,
[16:57] <ibmr50e-sylwek> hey kanye
[16:57] <tsimonq2> ?
[16:59] <ibmr50e-sylwek> yo tsimonq2 mtpaint sucks
[16:59] <ibmr50e-sylwek> remove it from lubuntu
[16:59] <tsimonq2> ...?
[17:00] <ibmr50e-sylwek> ?
[17:00] <ibmr50e-sylwek> its not a good app bro
[17:00] <ibmr50e-sylwek> inintuitive
[17:00] <ibmr50e-sylwek> and lacks half of options
[17:00] <ibmr50e-sylwek> and this sylpheed redirects me to japanese website
[17:01] <tsimonq2> That's not my choice
[17:01] <ibmr50e-sylwek> ye but you have something to say right in future releases
[17:01] <tsimonq2> Right, but LXDE version has been in maintenance mode for a while.
[17:02] <tsimonq2> We are looking to change very little.
[17:02] <ibmr50e-sylwek> so like 19.10 it could be dropped entirely?
[17:02] <tsimonq2> It all depends
[17:02] <ibmr50e-sylwek> i tried lubuntu next but it didnt convince me
[17:03] <ibmr50e-sylwek> there are more gtk apps
[17:12] <wxl> ibmr50e-sylwek: what lightweight app should we replace it with?
[17:12] <ibmr50e-sylwek> mtpaint? with pinta
[17:12] <wxl> !info pinta
[17:13] <wxl> !info mtpaint
[17:13] <wxl> it's about double the size
[17:13] <wxl> not sure about memory usage. why don't you do some testing on memory/cpu usage and report back to the lubuntu-devel list?
[17:14] <ibmr50e-sylwek> ye imma do that
[17:14] <wxl> ewww mono depends boooooo
[17:15] <wxl> i would like you to report how much space it takes up
[17:15] <wxl> installed size doesn't consider all dependencies
[17:15] <wxl> given the mono depends, i'm sure it will be massive
[19:14] <tarun> quit
[20:45] <Sauli> I update to 17.10 online but I can't install new programs
[20:46] <Sauli> I need a magic command to solve this
[20:47] <ibmr50e-sylwek> sudo apt upgrade!!
[20:50] <Sauli> but I am not superuser in the version 17.10 ¡¡
[20:51] <wxl> how do you know?
[20:52] <Sauli> I enter in Gnome-software to install new software and says 'you are not superuser'
[20:52] <wxl> and does `sudo apt upgrade` work?
[20:53] <Sauli> yes, works it but I can't install new software
[20:53] <wxl> so `sudo apt install pastebinit` for example does not work?
[20:54] <Sauli> thank you I go to try ...
[20:54] <craigbass76> Is there anything hinkey about booting Lubuntu to text mode? I tried changing the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT setting from "quiet splash" to "text" in /etc/default/grub, but still landed at a Lubuntu login screen after an update-grub and init 6
[20:54] <tegin> try to open gnome-software by using sudo with 'sudo gnome-software' and see if you can install software that way as a workaround
[20:55] <wxl> yeah well it's certainly a timesaver
[20:55] <wxl> oops wrong channel
[20:56] <Sauli> oh really works ¡¡¡ thank you very much my friends ¡¡¡
[20:59] <tegin> craigbass76 try uncommenting the "GRUB_TERMINAL=console" line by removing the # before it.
[20:59] <craigbass76> tegin: I actually just added that line (there wasn't one) and rebooted. Still no love.
[21:00] <craigbass76> tegin: that was me leaving and coming -- forgot that I should be in irc on my laptop instead of the lubuntu box...
[21:00] <craigbass76> I'm on 17.10, if that makes a difference
[21:01] <craigbass76> And I could live with booting into GUI, but it's leaving the world of desktop and becoming just a headless web server
[21:02] <craigbass76> I don't think I've ever done this on a systemd box before, last one used init
[21:03] <tegin> I'm afraid i don't know much then, all i see is that you need to have a combination of GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="text" and uncommenting the GRUB_TERMINAL line.
[21:03] <tegin> Apologies.
[21:04] <craigbass76> tegin: no worries. Probably something numb we're both missing. :)
[21:05] <tegin> ah, let me see...
[21:05] <tegin> okay so below "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT" there should be another line "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX". Attempt to comment out the line that has DEFAULT in it and add the "text" part to the "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX" one, if that makes sense.
[21:06] <craigbass76> tegin: Funny you should mention that... I've just done it. RUbbing my hands together and waiting for a reboot.
[21:07] <tegin> I'm not sure if it makes a difference but the information i'm looking at specifically says to put the "text" part where it says "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="text"" and the part with DEFAULT in it is just commented out.
[21:07] <craigbass76> Bah... I get all excited because I land at a text login, then after a few seconds get a mouse pointer. :(
[21:07] <tegin> Bummer.
[21:07] <tegin> Apologies again.
[21:09] <craigbass76> I'll see if anything occurs to me while I'm cooking supper...
[21:10] <tegin> Please take a look at the information provided here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/16371/how-do-i-disable-x-at-boot-time-so-that-the-system-boots-in-text-mode
[21:10] <tegin> They mention something about making some changes to systemd after messing with the grub file.
[21:12] <tegin> Seems like this is a required step for ubuntu 15.04 and later so this might be the missing step, hopefully!


[07:22] <navandres> hello people
[07:22] <navandres> can i ask you a question?
[07:53] <navandres> hi!!
[07:55] <jamesstansell> hi navandres
[07:55] <navandres> hi
[07:55] <navandres> do you know a channel to get j2me info?
[07:56] <navandres> people who develop j2me applications
[07:57] <jamesstansell> not really - have you asked on ##java ?
[08:00] <man-di> navandres: I do, but this is surely the wrong channel for this
[08:01] <navandres> jamesstansell: yes
[08:01] <navandres> but i cant
[08:01] <navandres> ##java :You need to be identified to join that channel
[08:02] <man-di> navandres: then you need to register your nick
[08:02] <navandres> where can i do this?
[08:02] <navandres> sorry
[08:02] <navandres> i'm new
[08:03] <man-di> http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[08:03] <jamesstansell> also, there is a #j2me channel
[08:04] <navandres> but no one response
[08:05] <man-di> navandres: that happens with IRC
[08:05] <man-di> noone can be forced to answer
[08:06] <navandres> yes i know thar
[08:06] <navandres> that
[08:06] <navandres> i need people who want to help people
[08:07] <man-di> navandres: google is a better option for j2me stuff as most people use forums for J2ME work
[08:10] <navandres> thanks for your help
[08:11] <jamesstansell> you're welcome - good luck!
[08:12] <navandres> thanks james


[00:56] <mrooney> Any particular reason bzr needs a lock to do a [c]diff?
[00:57] <mrooney> I frequently find that I am committing and forget something about a change, so try to do a diff in another terminal, but I can't :[
[00:57] <mrooney> and if I exit I lose the commit message so far
[01:09] <lifeless> mrooney: yah there is a file that commit writes to that diff needs to read
[01:10] <lifeless> we will fix this, but for now 'commit --show-diff'
[01:14] <mrooney> lifeless: thanks I'll give that a try!
[01:16] <mrooney> huh I typo'd it to --show-dif and it still worked, interesting
[01:17] <mrooney> lifeless: aw man no --show-cdiff :)
[01:17] <mrooney> I guess most things might not support that anyway
[03:07] <jonnydee> hi :) -- can anybody tell me why I get a "bzrlib version doesn't match the bzr program" on intrepid with bzr-1.11?
[03:12] <jonnydee> no?
[03:42] <nDuff> jonnydee, probably means what it says -- perhaps you have either a bzr program or a copy of the library sitting around somewhere from an old install.
[03:47] <Peng_> "bzr version" will help tell you where everything is
[03:49] <jonnydee> but the strange thing is that I uninstalled all bzr related things and I made sure no bzrlib existed. but after I install bzr-1.11 again I get the same error...
[03:50] <jonnydee> The message is "bzrlib from ['/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bzrlib'] is version (1, 11, 0, 'final', 0)"
[03:50] <nDuff> jonnydee, then your bzrlib is fine, but your bzr executable is old
[03:52] <jonnydee> but I get bzr from "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/bzr/ubuntu intrepid main"
[03:56] <Peng_> jonnydee: grep _script_version `which bzr`
[03:56] <Peng_> Can't out-of-date extensions also cause error messages like that?
[03:57] <nDuff> Peng, ...hmm -- I think you're right.
[03:57] <jonnydee> Oh, this one returns:
[03:57] <Peng_> Err, plugins. Oops.
[03:57] <jonnydee> _script_version = (1, 9, 0)
[03:57] <jonnydee> if bzrlib.version_info[:3] != _script_version:
[03:58] <Peng_> jonnydee: Then you've got an old copy of the bzr script around somewhere. 'which bzr' to see where. Or maybe the deb is broken...
[03:59] <jonnydee> Peng_: You are right. I've got a bzr in my ~/bin folder...
[04:00] <Peng_> Well, there you go.
[04:00] <jonnydee> Thank your very much Peng_ and also to  nDuff. What a shame... I'm sorry...
[09:24] <GPH-Laptop> 10.4 doesn't get any love anymore :(
[09:25] <GPH-Laptop> Mac OS X, that is
[13:41] <xnox> Hello everyone. Two branches don't have no common ancestor and I can't figure out how to specify base revision. I've tried -r X -r Y and -r X Y and it fails =(
[13:42] <xnox> Saying extra arguments
[13:43] <xnox> or still unspecified base revision
[13:43] <LarstiQ> xnox: trying to do what?
[13:45] <xnox> I have two branches, one from me and one from the other guy. We were doing very similar things from scratch (debian packages). Now I want to merge our two branches and create mainline to base our future work on.
[13:45] <LarstiQ> xnox: you could try `bzr merge -r0..-1 path/to/other/branch`
[13:45] <xnox> But to merge one into the other I need to specify a base revision (according to the error message).
[13:47] <xnox> LarstiQ: Thanks that worked!
[13:47] <nebuchadnezzar> hello, after upgrading bzr to 1.11, I try to upgrade a branch from svn to 1.9-rich-root, and now I can not pull any more, I have "branches have diverge use merge" and when merging I get no common ancestor :-/
[13:48] <nebuchadnezzar> any hints ?
[13:48] <LarstiQ> nebuchadnezzar: could you pastebin the commands and their output?
[13:48] <LarstiQ> nebuchadnezzar: also, why did you decide to upgrade to 1.9-rich-root?
[13:49] <nebuchadnezzar> LarstiQ: to give it a test
[13:50] <alf82> hello, I have a workflow question with bzr/launchpad. Let's say you have the 'trunk' branch used for development and you release eg 0.1
[13:51] <alf82> and create a 0.1 series/branch. Where do you continue development then? On the trunk and merge the changes into the 0.1 branch once in a while
[13:52] <alf82> or on the 0.1 branch and merge the changes into trunk every now and then?
[13:52] <LarstiQ> alf82: there are multiple things you could do. In general, I'd say you'd release 0.1 and don't touch it after that.
[13:53] <LarstiQ> alf82: could you explain your situation a bit more?
[13:53] <LarstiQ> nebuchadnezzar: how's that pastebin coming along?
[13:55] <alf82> LarstiQ: Well, I have a 'trunk' branch which has been the main (and only) development branch so far (except for feature branches).
[13:56] <alf82> The project is at the point of its first 0.1 release and I don't know exactly how to handle that. Should I create a separate 0.1 for the development
[13:56] <alf82> of the 0.1.x series?
[13:57] <LarstiQ> alf82: do you expect 0.1.x and trunk to diverge a lot?
[13:57] <alf82> LarstiQ: no
[13:57] <LarstiQ> alf82: say, Samba 3 and 4 both have active development and releases at the same time
[13:58] <LarstiQ> alf82: I'd just stick with trunk then
[14:00] <alf82> LarstiQ: ok, that's what I was thinking. In LP does it make sense to register a 0.1 series that also uses the 'trunk' branch?
[14:00] <alf82> LarstiQ: or I shouldn't use series at all?
[14:02] <LarstiQ> alf82: I haven't checked lp's docs on series in a while, but Bazaar uses a series per release to group release candidates and possibly bug fix releases
[14:03] <nebuchadnezzar> LarstiQ: http://pastebin.com/m5616edd9 <-- I try with a pack-0.92-subtree branched-from-svn
[14:03] <LarstiQ> alf82: so all regular activity goes on on trunk
[14:03] <nebuchadnezzar> http://pastebin.com/d499880c <-- here is what the merge output too
[14:04] <LarstiQ> nebuchadnezzar: your merge uses a different location than the pull
[14:05] <LarstiQ> ah no, I was looking crooked
[14:05] <nebuchadnezzar> ;-)
[14:05] <LarstiQ> nebuchadnezzar: if you look at `bzr missing` output, they don't share any revision, right?
[14:06] <LarstiQ> nebuchadnezzar: I find it very unlikely this has anything to do with 1.9-rich-root
[14:06] <LarstiQ> nebuchadnezzar: more with a change in bzr-svn, or the path you're pointing bzr-svn at
[14:06] <LarstiQ> nebuchadnezzar: you're using bzr-svn 0.4?
[14:08] <nebuchadnezzar> LarstiQ: I'm downgrading bzr to 1.5
[14:11] <LarstiQ> nebuchadnezzar: that too, should not have any impact.
[14:12] <nebuchadnezzar> LarstiQ: I downgrade bzr to 1.5 and bzr-svn to 0.4, pull wored
[14:12] <nebuchadnezzar> worked
[14:12] <LarstiQ> nebuchadnezzar: before you downgraded, what bzr were you using?
[14:12] <LarstiQ> ehm
[14:12] <LarstiQ> bzr-svn
[14:12] <nebuchadnezzar> 1.11
[14:12] <nebuchadnezzar> from debian experimental
[14:12] <nebuchadnezzar> 0.5
[14:13] <nebuchadnezzar> 0.5.0~rc1+bzr2300-1
[14:13] <LarstiQ> nebuchadnezzar: if you were using 0.5rc[12], then yes, it produces different revisions than 0.4 does.
[14:13] <LarstiQ> nebuchadnezzar: so, nothing to do with bzr 1.11 or 1.9-rich-root. This is purely bzr-svn 0.4 vs 0.5
[14:13] <nebuchadnezzar> ok
[14:14] <nebuchadnezzar> LarstiQ: my cfengine3 repository is pack-0.92-subtree
[14:14] <LarstiQ> nebuchadnezzar: that's fine, but the format has no impact on the issue you were experiencing
[14:15] <LarstiQ> nebuchadnezzar: see UPGRADING from bzr-svn 0.5
[14:15] <nebuchadnezzar> ok, thanks
[14:15] <LarstiQ> nebuchadnezzar: basically, to be faster/smarter, 0.5 introduces new svn-revision-to-bzr-revision mappings
[14:16] <LarstiQ> in order to use those, it has to be incompatible with prior mappings. You can optionally chose to use the old mappings, but you won't gain any of the advantages of the new one then.
[14:16] <LarstiQ> It is possible to use a 0.4 and a 0.5 client at the same time against svn, but you can not interact directly between the bzr branches created that way
[14:19] <nebuchadnezzar> LarstiQ: I saw that in the documentation, thanks
[14:19] <nebuchadnezzar> bzr svn-upgrade and now it's ok
[14:22] <LarstiQ> nebuchadnezzar: cool
[14:23] <nebuchadnezzar> thanks
[16:58] <alf82> LarstiQ: thanks for the tips (yeah, a little delayed, I know)!
[18:10] <bialix> LarstiQ: hi
[18:10] <LarstiQ> bialix: hello
[18:11] <bialix> I'm curious about your opinion on scmproj
[18:11] <LarstiQ> bialix: I condensed the notes a bit, but am still not entirely done. So I'll just give you the raw thing (with repetitions et al) and the more condensed thing
[18:12] <LarstiQ> bialix: I think it could be very useful for me.
[18:12] <bialix> that's ok. I moving new format forward
[18:12] <bialix> unfortunately new format will introduce many changes
[18:12] <bialix> and ATM we don't have auto-upgrade
[18:13] <LarstiQ> bialix: In your config-manager comparison you state you need more than organizing branches. I'd be interested to hear what you need more. (So far, what would be harder to do with nested trees is the ALT style config switching)
[18:13] <LarstiQ> evening kfogel
[18:13] <bialix> well, config-manager != nested branches
[18:14] <bialix> or nested trees, perhaps
[18:15] <LarstiQ> sorry, I made a thought leap there
[18:15] <bialix> I think without ability to work on the entire project -- it's just many branches accidentally put in one directory
[18:16] <bialix> I want to run status, commit, diff, log forthe entire pject
[18:16] <bialix> project, sorry
[18:16] <LarstiQ> bialix: right, nested trees do that
[18:16] <LarstiQ> and where they don't, have it as a design goal
[18:17] <LarstiQ> but progress has been lacking, scmproj has more steam going for it to accomplish those goals
[18:17] <bialix> LarstiQ: if there will be already implemented nested trees -- unlikely I'll start this plugin
[18:17]  * LarstiQ nods
[18:17] <bialix> also, I simply don't understand how nested trees will be stored on the server
[18:17] <LarstiQ> bialix: scmproj does have features I think are harder to do with a different solution
[18:17] <bialix> you said about graph recalculation
[18:18] <LarstiQ> bialix: that was for by-value trees
[18:18] <LarstiQ> bialix: so yeah, scmproj is here right now, and that's a big plus
[18:19] <bialix> yes, and I think nested by ref has bigger sense for me and my use cases
[18:19] <bialix> but I can't grok their internal details yet
[18:21] <bialix> LarstiQ: and I hope when nested will be supported in bzrlib, I can use them from scmproj
[18:21] <LarstiQ> bialix: cool
[18:21] <LarstiQ> bialix: mail sent
[18:22] <bialix> big thanks
[18:22]  * bialix bbiab (dinner)
[18:46] <bialix> LarstiQ: wow, this notes are VERY useful. Big thanks
[18:46] <LarstiQ> bialix: much obliged :)
[18:46] <LarstiQ> bialix: the thoughts in my head concern your question about 'clunky'
[18:47] <LarstiQ> bialix: I can sort of see his point, but I haven't yet found how to clearly explain that.
[18:47] <bialix> yes, I think now I understand "clunky" better
[18:48] <bialix> my plans for 0.4.5 are to change many "clunky" points
[18:50] <bialix> and as AmanicA mentioned: better catch and report internal errors
[18:50] <LarstiQ> bialix: one thing that would be nice, is that if there is enough information in the general sections, I wouldn't need to have a seperate section for each component.
[18:50] <AmanicA> hi
[18:50] <LarstiQ> AmanicA: evening :)
[18:51] <bialix> привет
[18:51] <bialix> hi dude
[18:51] <AmanicA> :)
[18:51] <LarstiQ> bialix: you'll see in my project.cfg there is a lot of repetition, and the notes you'll see a KeyError on 'mqueue'
[18:52] <bialix> LarstiQ: I think very soon I'll be ready to show new config format. There is many improvements. I'll use your notes and convert them to bug reports to work on
[18:52] <LarstiQ> bialix: ok :)
[18:54] <bialix> I hope in the mid of Feb
[18:55] <bialix> generic [COMPONENTS] section was suggested (and implemented IIRC) by AmanicA
[18:55] <bialix> we need just bring there more options
[18:57] <bialix> LarstiQ: yeah, I see your point. In the components sections you have only FORMAT = rich-root-pack; :-)
[18:58] <bialix> I've filed this as bug 322499
[19:00] <LarstiQ> bialix: yeah, in this case all the components are rather uniform, yet I still like having them as seperate branches
[19:01]  * bialix nods
[19:10] <bialix> LarstiQ: one side question: you said: "I made a thought leap there"; what it means: "thought leap"?
[19:11] <LarstiQ> bialix: skipping (talking about) several steps in a thought process
[19:12] <LarstiQ> bialix: so to amend that: I read the config-manager vs scmproj, and that made me think of nested-trees vs scmproj
[19:12] <bialix> :-)
[19:12] <bialix> I have such comparison
[19:12] <bialix> but it's incomplete
[19:13] <LarstiQ> bialix: from talking to you, I know what I wanted to know
[19:13] <bialix> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bialix/bzr-scmproj/format-change/annotate/head%3A/docs/vs-nested-trees.txt
[19:14] <bialix> may be I'm wrong about initial configuration in the nested trees. but I'm still don't read all sources
[19:14] <LarstiQ> bialix: unfortunately, at work I've been switched to coding Java Server Faces (entirely seperate cient project), so I don't have as much opportunity to try scmproj on our regular work stuff
[19:15] <bialix> ok, np
[19:16] <bialix> LarstiQ: I hope you still can share some knowledge about nested trees
[19:16] <bialix> nevertheless of java faces
[19:18] <LarstiQ> bialix: of course, I just need to look everything up :)
[19:18] <LarstiQ> bialix: I'm interested to hear what abentley is planning
[19:18] <bialix> :-)
[19:18] <LarstiQ> bialix: what do you mean with 'the initial configuration'?
[19:20] <bialix> LarstiQ: this is related to my lack of understanding of nested by ref. How user can recreate nested project from standalone branches?
[19:20] <bialix> if these brances hosted on the central server, for example
[19:20] <LarstiQ> bialix: Right
[19:21] <LarstiQ> bialix: there are still open questions here I think
[19:21] <bialix> before bzr I've used CVS very heavily. And we're used CVS modules too
[19:22] <bialix> so my project.cfg in some sense used my knowledge about CVS modules. May be this knowledge prevent my understanding of some nested ideas
[19:23] <bialix> in the end I'm just reinventing the wheel
[19:23] <KintaroHoe> Hi everyone
[19:24] <KintaroHoe> I've a question I need to install a bzr server in the office I work for
[19:24] <bialix> hi
[19:24] <KintaroHoe> They use windows and I'm unable to find a documentation that explain how to do all of this :/
[19:24] <bialix> I'm windows guy
[19:24] <KintaroHoe> I'm trying to play with bzr init-repo... but unable to do checkouts
[19:24] <bialix> what's the problem actually?
[19:25] <KintaroHoe> bialix: Well I want to install a server to host the office projects and I don't know how to do this :/
[19:25] <bialix> you need local only server?
[19:25] <KintaroHoe> yes
[19:25] <KintaroHoe> a LAN server
[19:25] <bialix> it will not be visible outside the local network?
[19:26] <KintaroHoe> bialix: indeed
[19:26] <bialix> so you need to install bzr as usual from any of official installer
[19:26] <MattCampbell> I want to use bzr and bzr-svn to manage my modifications to an open-source package that uses SVN for its version control, with the intention of contributing at least some of these changes back upstream.  Is there a recommended workflow for doing this?
[19:26] <KintaroHoe> bialix: yes I have it
[19:27] <bialix> then select where you want to keep your branches
[19:27] <KintaroHoe> bialix: okay and then ?
[19:28] <bialix> then you need just adding to auto-start section the command: bzr serve --allow-writes
[19:28] <bialix> and specify working directory for this command to the location where you want to keep your branches
[19:28] <bialix> that's basically all
[19:28] <KintaroHoe> bialix: what auto-start sectiopn ?
[19:29] <bialix> Start -> Programs -> Auto-...
[19:29] <KintaroHoe> ah yeah ok
[19:29] <KintaroHoe> bialix: but now how ti initialize branches in server side ?
[19:29] <bialix> sorry, I'm using Russian Windows, I don't remember how it named in English
[19:30] <KintaroHoe> because I do: mkdir dir and then bzr init dir
[19:30] <KintaroHoe> but when I checkout it says not a branch
[19:30] <bialix> you need to work with your server with bzr:// url
[19:30] <KintaroHoe> I don't understand this
[19:30] <MattCampbell> bialix: I think you mean Start -> Programs -> Startup
[19:30] <KintaroHoe> yes
[19:30] <KintaroHoe> I get it for the autostart
[19:30] <bialix> yes, I think it is
[19:30] <KintaroHoe> but now I don't know how to create my projects and project branches in server side
[19:31] <bialix> let's say your server has name SERVER or IP: <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:31] <MattCampbell> KintaroHoe: Since I came in late to this conversation, can you explain what you're trying to do?
[19:31] <KintaroHoe> ok
[19:31] <KintaroHoe> MattCampbell: all I want is hosting projects in bazaar for the office I work for
[19:31] <bialix> you can execute from any other machine (or locally): bzr init bzr://SERVER/branch-name
[19:31] <KintaroHoe> they uses windows
[19:32] <KintaroHoe> bialix: ah ok
[19:32] <bialix> everything as local work, but you should use bzr:// urls
[19:32] <KintaroHoe> bialix: ok
[19:32] <MattCampbell> KintaroHoe: It would probably be easier if you used Linux on the server.
[19:33] <MattCampbell> Then you can just use sftp or bzr+ssh with regular Unix accounts.
[19:33] <CaMason> hi guys.. for some reason, a load of bzr_log.random files have started appearing in my working copy
[19:33] <bialix> heh
[19:33] <bialix> KintaroHoe: one note about startup
[19:33] <KintaroHoe> MattCampbell: I can't my boss doesn't want a linux that(s the issue
[19:34] <bialix> windows works just fine!
[19:34] <KintaroHoe> windows sux but I'm forced to use it
[19:34]  * bialix shuts up
[19:34] <MattCampbell> I'm not bashing Windows in general; it's a fine desktop OS.
[19:35] <MattCampbell> KintaroHoe: What version of Windows is the server running?
[19:35]  * LarstiQ looks up
[19:35] <KintaroHoe> MattCampbell: XP
[19:35] <KintaroHoe> MattCampbell: is there a document that explains how to set up a bazaar server for projects ?
[19:36] <MattCampbell> I'm looking; I don't need it myself, but now I'm curious.
[19:36] <LarstiQ> KintaroHoe: what bialix said I'd say
[19:36] <LarstiQ> KintaroHoe: you mention you can't checkout, could you please give more context (pastebin full command plus output)?
[19:37] <LarstiQ> KintaroHoe: with the information at hand it is hard to tell what is going on.
[19:37] <MattCampbell> The only problem with putting the server in the Startup group is that then the server will only be available while someone is logged into the Windows box.
[19:37] <bialix> MattCampbell: I'm running it as servicwe
[19:37] <bialix> service
[19:38] <MattCampbell> bialix: How do you do that?  Do you use servany or something similar, or is there a special bzr executable for that purpose?
[19:38] <bialix> so it works just fine
[19:38] <bialix> srvany
[19:38] <MattCampbell> Oops, I did misspell that.
[19:38] <bialix> here instructions: http://groups.google.com/group/ru_bzr/web/bzr-serve---windows-2k-xp
[19:38] <bialix> they're in Russina
[19:38] <bialix> Russian
[19:39] <bialix> use babelfish or google translate service
[19:39] <MattCampbell> I've used srvany before.  What user should the service run as? (e.g. System, LocalService, NetworkService)
[19:40] <LarstiQ> MattCampbell: you don't perchance have commit access to the upstream svn?
[19:40] <bialix> I don't remember. My server at work, and now I'm home
[19:40] <MattCampbell> LarstiQ: No; that's why I want to use bzr and bzr-svn, because SVN vendor branches seem like an ugly hack.
[19:41] <MattCampbell> So I would be sending patches of some kind back upstream.
[19:41] <LarstiQ> MattCampbell: right
[19:41] <LarstiQ> MattCampbell: so then the most important part is probably how upstream likes to work
[19:42] <LarstiQ> MattCampbell: I didn't test against svn, but you could use `bzr send`
[19:43] <MattCampbell> bialix: Your Windows bzr server requires authentication and is used by multiple developers, right?  I wonder how you manage user accounts for the bzr server in that setup.
[19:43] <LarstiQ> MattCampbell: large chance that's not exactly what upstream wants though
[19:43] <bialix> no
[19:44] <bialix> builtin bzr server does not provide ACL support
[19:44] <bialix> we have very small dev group
[19:44] <bialix> so I should not be paranoid about other people
[19:45] <bialix> and I always has backups if something will going wrong
[19:45] <MattCampbell> LarstiQ: I suppose most projects want plain diffs, often attached to bug tracker entries, from non-committers.
[19:46] <bialix> though I'd like to have some sort of ACL there
[19:46] <LarstiQ> MattCampbell: that, or mailing lists, yes.
[19:46] <LarstiQ> MattCampbell: but do they want one big rollup patch? Or one patch per bzr commit? Or rebased into logical units?
[19:47] <LarstiQ> MattCampbell: bzr-rebase might also be of use to you
[19:49] <MattCampbell> FWIW, the specific project is TightVNC.  I haven't even started making my changes yet, but I want to make sure my workflow is right from the start.
[19:50] <MattCampbell> I haven't even had any contact with that project yet; I'm just starting out.
[19:50] <MattCampbell> So I guess I start with "bzr branch http://vnc-tight.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/vnc-tight/trunk/ tightvnc", then make my changes, committing to my local branch after each change is done.
[19:50] <MattCampbell> Then I can think about how to give them back.
[19:51]  * LarstiQ nods at MattCampbell
[19:52] <MattCampbell> Is bzr-svn meant to use this way, i.e. to contribute back to a project that uses an SVN repository in which you're not a committer?
[19:53] <LarstiQ> MattCampbell: I don't think it's the original use-case, but it's certainly valid.
[19:53] <bialix> KintaroHoe: I think you should start using bzr without any server. Any shared folder on your server is fine
[19:53] <MattCampbell> So the original use case is a project that wants to migrate from svn to bzr?
[19:54] <bialix> he's left.
[19:54] <MattCampbell> I suppose Windows file sharing is the most natural solution in a Windows-only office where everyone is on the same LAN.
[19:55] <bialix> me too
[19:55] <MattCampbell> I was going to suggest using an SSH or SFTP server, such as VShell (commercial) or Cygwin sshd.
[19:56] <MattCampbell> LarstiQ: Thanks for at least re-assuring me that I was on the right track.  My biggest fear when using version control is always that I'll start out doing things the wrong way.
[19:57] <LarstiQ> MattCampbell: I'd guess the original use case is using bzr to commit to an svn repo where others still use svn.
[19:58]  * svn-up just realized he might get kicked because of his nickname
[19:59] <LarstiQ> svn-up: nah, that won't happen
[20:03] <MattCampbell> I didn't think this crowd was that antagonistic toward svn.
[20:03] <LarstiQ> we're not.
[20:03] <LarstiQ> I might at times lament some of it's shortcomings that make my life difficult, but that's all :)
[20:06]  * bialix waves bye
[20:08] <MattCampbell> Now I just have to learn how to set up bzr-svn under Windows.  I'd prefer to just use my Ubuntu VM (yes, Windows is the host), but I'm going to be working on a Windows program.
[20:09] <LarstiQ> MattCampbell: bzr-svn is included with the windows installer
[20:09] <LarstiQ> at least the standalone .exe one
[20:10] <MattCampbell> LarstiQ: Cool, thanks.
[20:10] <MattCampbell> downloading version 1.11-1 of that now.
[20:14] <MattCampbell> I'm curious about the state of IDE integration for Bazaar.  In other words, is Bazaar yet as "code monkey" friendly as Subversion?
[20:15] <LarstiQ> MattCampbell: I'll wager a 'no' to that.
[20:15] <LarstiQ> MattCampbell: I believe the Eclipse support is most advanced.
[20:16] <LarstiQ> MattCampbell: http://bazaar-vcs.org/IDEIntegration
[20:17] <visik7> nothing about Xcode :(
[20:18] <LarstiQ> http://bazaar-vcs.org/Integrating_with_Bazaar for those willing to work on support for their favorite environment :)
[20:19]  * LarstiQ is a vim user himself
[20:19] <MattCampbell> Mind you, I don't use an IDE, even on Windows; currently I use vim plus command-line tools.  But I might soon be working with people who are used to an IDE.
[20:20] <LarstiQ> although I've had to start using netbeans since last week
[20:20] <LarstiQ> MattCampbell: right, which one?
[20:20] <LarstiQ> MattCampbell: there is Tortoise, which builds on Qbzr
[20:20] <MattCampbell> Probably Visual Studio.
[20:22] <MattCampbell> Then again, a lot of the software I've written for my employer (I'm currently the lone programmer) is in dynamic languages such as Python, Lua, and PHP.
[20:22] <MattCampbell> So I don't really know what IDE would be a good fit.
[20:22] <MattCampbell> but that's off-topic here.
[20:28] <MattCampbell> Hmm, I was thinking ActiveState Komodo would be a good choice; now I see it has built-in Bazaar support
[20:30] <LarstiQ> does it? cool :)
[20:31] <MattCampbell> Well, at least the IDEIntegration page says so.
[20:31] <LarstiQ> It's in the 5.0 release notes too
[20:33] <MattCampbell> To my shame, my company is just starting to use version control.  Our new project manager wants to use SVN, and I've been debating whether to persuade him (and the CEO) of Bazaar's benefits or just use SVN.
[20:33] <MattCampbell> I think we should at least use bzr to manage modifications to open-source packages that we use.
[20:35] <LarstiQ> MattCampbell: you said you were the lone coder, does that hold true for this situation?
[20:35] <MattCampbell> I won't be the lone coder much longer.
[20:36] <MattCampbell> (So I have a lot of work to do to transition from lone coder to team.)
[20:37] <MattCampbell> But I may very well be the only one making modifications to upstream open-source projects, at least for a while.
[20:37] <LarstiQ> MattCampbell: ah ok
[21:13] <MattCampbell> I gather that the bzr Windows installer doesn't include bzr-rebase.
[21:21] <LarstiQ> MattCampbell: probably not
[22:42] <CaMason__> Guys, any idea what these log files are? bzr_log.number~
[23:25] <mrooney> Is there any easy way to delete a branch on LP, I typo'd in my push
[23:25] <mrooney> or is that a #launchpad question?
[23:26] <jelmer> I think there is a  bin icon you can click
[23:26] <jelmer> but in general this sort of question is more appropriate for #launchpad
[23:28] <mrooney> jelmer: okay, thanks :)


[10:44] <aba_> hi...anyone tried to port touch to SM-T825 yet?
[16:31] <catwalk> Hi
[16:31] <catwalk> Can I just type my question now?
[16:34] <genii> !ask
[16:35] <catwalk> does anybody happen to know if my touch screen HP Pavilion will well work with Ubuntu?
[16:35] <catwalk> thanks!