[08:30] <chatter> hey guys
[08:33] <chatter> allah is doing
[08:34] <chatter> sun is not doing allah is doing
[08:34] <chatter> to accept Islam say that i bear witness that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad peace be upon him is his slave and messenger
[08:37] <verticaltalker> hello
[08:37] <verticaltalker> Peng reported this channel to #freenode because of Allah-related issues
[08:37] <verticaltalker> Terrorist, i command you: reveal yourself
[08:40] <verticaltalker> ajmitch_,  alexlist,  anthonyf`,  camerin,  catern,  charles,  djinni`_,  elmo,  FourDollars,  fullermd,  ggherdov,  irsol,  jam,  james_w,  jelmer,  Keltia,  lamont,  LeoNerd,  mthaddon:
[08:40] <verticaltalker> nicoulaj,  nopf,  Peng,  Peng_,  pjdc,  rvba,  Shentino,  superfly,  tska,  ubot5`,  ubuntulog,  verterok,  verticaltalker,  vila,  wgrant,  yena,  zyga:
[08:40] <verticaltalker> nickspam successfull!
[08:41] <verticaltalker> dax, welcome to #bzr, the channel Peng just false reported.  I have been here since about ten seconds after Peng reported it, and i am the only one i've seen speak here
[08:42] <verticaltalker> i.e. nothing was actually going on and Peng should be removed from the network because he/she is a liar
[08:43] <verticaltalker> i'll probably just highlight everyone again.  even that did not get a reaction last time
[08:43] <verticaltalker> this chan is so dead
[08:43] <verticaltalker> dax, send a NOTICE to the chan maybe?
[08:43] <Peng> Sorry, y'all
[08:43] <verticaltalker> it seems dead
[08:43] <verticaltalker> Peng, you did nothing wrong except make a mistake
[08:44] <verticaltalker> i am here because you reported that there was Allah crap being preached here
[08:44] <verticaltalker> and I am a radical anti-islamic anti-terrorist
[08:44] <dax> got bored of it
[08:44] <dax> anyways
[08:45] <dax> Peng: would recommend mentioning the channel name in PM once a staffer shows up in future, otherwise dingbats join :(
[08:45] <dax> (not your fault, it's an ongoing problem with #freenode I'm trying to beat out of them)
[08:46] <vila> Peng: no worries, trolls are everywhere
[08:49] <Peng> dax: Yeah. I skipped a step because this isn't the type of channel they usually target :/
[08:50] <Peng> Don't skip steps. :(
[08:50] <Peng> dax: Thanks, in any case.
[09:03] <Shentino> dax: K-lines mean network staff already dealt with it
[09:03] <dax> what?


[01:37] <Liver_K> hey theres a bug on 22.04 LTS where on the login screen, if you press any of the arrow keys, it will then allow you to just move the cursor to anywhere on the screen and delete any of the text there by default, including the login message, tty #, and prompt. once you add or delete anything, it then freezes for about a minute and then redisplays the login screen with the same bug
[01:37] <Liver_K> i know somebodies gonna tell me to report this or something, but i just want to know for now if there is already a fix for this, or if it is already documented on launchpad
[01:37] <av2156> cool
[01:38] <av2156> thanks for letting us know.
[01:40] <Liver_K> so there isnt already a fix?
[01:40] <znf> we'll fix it ASAP
[01:41] <Liver_K> woohoo!
[01:41] <arraybolt3> znf, av2156: I can't tell if you guys are trolling or serious...
[01:41] <Liver_K> thanks you guys for doing that
[01:41] <arraybolt3> I hope you're serious though, it sounds like a really bad bug.
[01:42] <Liver_K> it is pretty annoying
[01:42] <Liver_K> but only if you press the arrow keys, if you dont it just acts like normal
[01:42] <av2156> i literally am nobody, i messaged just so they know it is attended, i am aware of mods
[01:43] <znf> I'm sure it's a 10/10 scale
[01:43] <arraybolt3> Ah, np.
[01:44] <arraybolt3> Liver_K: I help develop Ubuntu and several flavors thereof (mainly Lubuntu). I can try to reproduce this bug and make a bug report if you'd like that.
[01:45] <arraybolt3> Also, Ubuntu doesn't mind duplicate bug reports the way other software projects do. Sometimes bugs that looks like dupes are actually different bugs, and having duplicate bug reports actually helps us see how severe a bug is.
[01:45] <av2156> what is the process if someone discovers a bug and devs plans to fix it ? is it publicly trackable ?
[01:45] <arraybolt3> av2156: Yes, it is.
[01:45] <av2156> how to learn about the process ?
[01:45] <arraybolt3> You can see how critical a bug has been judged to be, who's working on it, and an entire discussion related to it on Launchpad.
[01:45] <znf> arraybolt3, obvioulsy trolling...
[01:45] <av2156> launchpad? ok.
[01:46] <av2156> trolling ?
[01:46] <arraybolt3> av2156: launchpad.net, looks for the Ubuntu project and then you can search for packages in there.
[01:46] <arraybolt3> znf: I get that you were probably being funny (and it was kind of funny), but please don't do that in the future, since it might keep bugs from being reported or fixed (I think Liver_K may have taken you seriously).
[01:47] <av2156> though i am ot a subject matter expert but what package should it concern with ?
[01:47] <arraybolt3> av2156: *look, not looks...
[01:47] <arraybolt3> av2156: The bug Liver_K ran into? That's a good question, and one I'll have to do further research into.
[01:47] <arraybolt3> I would suspect the "login" package in the Ubuntu project, lemme try and pull up a link...
[01:47] <Liver_K> one min to read lal that (was just afk)
[01:48] <znf> there are important bugs, and there is a... cosmetic bug that actually sounds like a feature of the tty
[01:48] <arraybolt3> av2156: This is the package I'd report it against: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shadow
[01:48] <arraybolt3> znf: Fair enough.
[01:48] <av2156> alright
[01:49] <znf> it also may be dependant on the keyboard layout of the user
[01:49] <arraybolt3> av2156: BTW, don't just use the search box on Launchpad's home page, it doesn't work like you'd expect. I learned this the hard way. Start from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu, then use the search box there.
[01:49] <av2156> okie dokie
[01:49] <arraybolt3> Launchpad is nice to use once you figure it out, but figuring it out can be kind of like eating lobster for the first time.
[01:50] <av2156> tough task for who hv never had a lobster
[01:52] <Liver_K> i have never had a lobster or used launchpad :P
[01:53] <Liver_K> and no its not part of the tty, it never did that before, and even if it was a feature (editing whatever is in the buffer), it would still be a bug because it freezes once you edit anything and then redisplays it
[01:54] <Liver_K> (and yes, i did take you seriously znf)
[01:54] <Liver_K> my mistake
[01:56] <Liver_K> arraybolt3: yes i would appreaciate if you made a report for me, i am using vanilla ubuntu server im pretty sure, downloaded straight from https://ubuntu.com/download/server
[01:56] <arraybolt3> Liver_K: Fantastic, I'll see if I can work on that when I get the chance.
[01:57] <Liver_K> yeah tell me if you can reproduce the problem on whatever setup you have, it might be something specific to mine that is broken
[01:57] <Liver_K> it is not a fresh install
[01:57] <arraybolt3> Liver_K: Did you upgrade it from an earlier release by any chance?
[01:57] <Liver_K> yes i upgraded from 20.04.3
[01:57] <Liver_K> pretty recently
[01:57] <Liver_K> but there have been multiple kernel updates since i upgraded so not too recently
[01:58] <arraybolt3> OK, if I can't reproduce it in a clean install of 22.04 I'll try installing 20.04 and then upgrading.
[02:00] <Liver_K> also the bug might have been there for a while without me noticing it (i dont use arrow keys that often when on the login screen believe it or not), so it could be related to me removing cloud-init also
[02:01] <Liver_K> because that was creating issues too before i got rid of it
[05:31] <alkisg> Liver_K: I see it in a clean 22.04 Ubuntu MATE installation; ctrl+alt+f2, move arrow up, then able to delete anything
[05:32] <alkisg> While in 18.04, the up arrow just writes codes like ^[[A to the login prompt
[05:32] <arraybolt3[m]> alkisg: Didn't think to reproduce it on my own machine, but you're right. Just tried it on Kubuntu (Kubuntu Focus Suite) and got the same thing.
[05:33] <arraybolt3[m]> alkisg: Neither one of our messages are making it to IRC btw 🙃
[05:33] <alkisg> #$(*&# stupid bridges :D
[05:34] <arraybolt3[m]> alkisg: Oh hey here they come.
[05:34] <arraybolt3[m]> Also Liver_K left...
[05:57] <arraybolt3[m]> alkisg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shadow/+bug/1992731
[05:57] -ubottu:#ubuntu-server- Launchpad bug 1992731 in shadow (Ubuntu) "The cursor can be freely moved around and used to erase characters on the TTY while at the login prompt" [Undecided, New]
[05:58] <arraybolt3[m]> Just filed it.
[05:58] <alkisg> Great; let me see...
[06:12] <alkisg> Reproduced in 20.04; NOT in 18.04; I think the problem is in agetty; added util-linux to affected packages
[22:00] <av2156> hello
[23:40] <teward> *puts kanashiro[m] in the dust bin*
[23:41] <teward> the nginx issue you closed as a conf issue isn't actually a conf issue


[00:01] <infinity> sarnold: Waiting for this test build to finish, but looks like it's a 1-line patch for you, and you can just include that in your security release.
[00:03] <sarnold> infinity: yay \o/ :) thanks
[00:22] <infinity> sarnold: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6298101/ <-- Test-built, seems to DTRT.
[00:24] <sarnold> infinity: thanks!
[02:22] <ScottK> xnox: Feel free to ask me if I'm willing to look at a bug, but assignment rights require a contract.
[02:22] <ScottK> stgraber: Would you please have a look at the upstartification proposed in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/quassel/+bug/1244036 ?
[02:27] <stgraber> ScottK: looks to me like he wants "start on filesystem and static-network-up" instead, but the start on condition he's using isn' wrong either. Just because I'm picky, the respawn stanza is usually put before the script section so it's easier to spot.
[02:28] <stgraber> besides that, it should all work fine assuming quasselcore doesn't fork/daemonize
[02:28] <stgraber> oh and hardcoding /usr/bin is usually not considered a good thing
[02:29] <ScottK> So just excec quasselcore?
[02:29] <ScottK> exec even
[02:29] <ScottK> stgraber: ^^^
[02:30] <stgraber> yep
[02:30] <ScottK> Thanks.
[03:55] <Mirv> slangasek: yes phablet-test-run works through adb
[04:04] <pitti> rbasak: thanks (this early> rolling release!! *cough*)
[04:04] <pitti> Good morning
[04:05] <Mirv> robru: xnox: I didn't really push on getting the qtmultimedia in. as I was asked I provided some information and prepared the branch from my side, assuming someone working on the bug is doing the pushes. otherwise I'd have pinged a friendly core-dev about the branch or made the lp:ubuntu/* MP. doing that MP now as robru requested.
[04:05] <robru> Mirv, yes, sorry. I don't have upload rights so I can't sponsor it or anything. but I really need that in ASAP please.
[04:06] <robru> for trusty
[04:06] <Mirv> yep the MP seems the best way to go, and I can ping also didrocks who can sponsor from the packaging branch directly
[04:06] <robru> ok, great, thanks Mirv
[04:06] <pitti> rbasak: so, we are producing cloud images, just no /current symlink
[04:06] <Mirv> np
[04:07] <pitti> rbasak: but "prepare-testbed -b 20131024.3 amd64" FTW :)
[06:11] <mati75> hello
[06:11] <mati75> I have question about upload patched packages to ubuntu repository
[07:20] <pitti> mati75: (just ask your question)
[07:20] <ricotz> doko__, hi, graphviz 2.34.0-0ubuntu4 missed to handle the soname bump "libgvc5: /usr/lib/libgvc.so.6"
[07:21] <ricotz> pitti, hi
[07:21] <pitti> hey ricotz
[07:22] <ricotz> i am curious aren't there checks for the proposed pocket to catch something like that ^
[07:23] <slangasek> normally, it's expected that such changes cause the package to fail to build entirely.
[07:24] <ricotz> if there is no symbols file it wont fail
[07:24] <slangasek> not true; if the library package is done sanely, it will fail to build when it tries to install files that aren't there
[07:25] <ricotz> slangasek, right, but normally the soname isnt mentioned in the install file afaik
[07:25] <ricotz> but yeah, that of course would catch it
[07:26] <slangasek> if you have neither a symbols file nor a version-checking glob in your install rule, your library packaging is not sane
[07:26] <ricotz> alright ;)
[07:31] <mati75> my debian package was copied to ubuntu trusty, but to fine working in ubuntu needs patch
[07:33] <mati75> now I add to ppa: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/154951693/spacefm_0.9.0-1ubuntu1_source.changes
[07:34] <pitti> mati75: ah, thanks! happy to sponsor, do you have the link to the PPA?
[07:36] <mati75> https://launchpad.net/~mati75/+archive/spacefm/+packages
[07:37] <pitti> mati75: oh, what doesn't work with the global menu? (woudl be nice to report this as a bug to the unity guys so that it can be fixed)
[07:40] <mati75> pitti: yes, here is upsteam bug report: https://github.com/IgnorantGuru/spacefm/issues/49
[07:40] <mati75> pitti: ok, I try report to unity guys
[07:41] <pitti> mati75: ah; probably not an upstream bug, but one in the unity menu; I'll add that link to the changelog, ok?
[07:43] <pitti> mati75: uploaded with that
[08:24] <mati75> pitti: ok
[08:59] <borg_> Hi, i still have this problem with python-qwt5-qt4: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pyqwt5/+bug/1243102
[09:00] <borg_> it was assigned to Scott Kittermann but he unasigned it
[09:00] <borg_> how do i get this package rebuild and reuploaded?
[09:00] <borg_> the source of the package is ok, but the build package is broken (no idea what happend during the build process)
[09:29] <doko> apw, aarch64 ping
[09:40] <doko> chrisccoulson, hi, could you have a look at a libticaples merge this cycle?
[09:57] <doko> ricotz, feel free to fix. the graphviz packaging is "interesting" ....
[10:06] <xnox> =)
[10:18] <pitti> I guess it's too late to hold back graphviz in -proposed for that..
[10:19] <cjwatson> given it's migrated, yes
[10:34] <brainwash> can a package maintainer or dev take a look at bug 1183580 please? the actual package maintainer appears to be inactive or just ignores this issue
[14:16] <darkxst> cjwatson, I hear from upstream, that jenkins in running the glib installed tests, can we get the same for gjs?
[14:17] <cjwatson> darkxst: that's up to the gjs packaging I expect
[14:17] <Laney> It does that because I packaged the tests and made an autopkgtest for them
[14:17] <Laney> so do that
[14:18] <darkxst> Laney, ok will do, but how do I make an autopkgtest?
[14:18] <cjwatson> http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=autopkgtest/autopkgtest.git;a=blob_plain;f=doc/README.package-tests;hb=HEAD
[14:19] <Laney> You can probably copy debian/tests/* from glib2.0
[14:19] <cjwatson> (linked from http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep8/)
[14:22] <darkxst> Laney, cjwatson ok cool, I will work it out ;)
[14:26] <Laney> darkxst: I think there's a bug that gnome-desktop-testing-runner always returns exit code 0 though
[14:27] <Laney> so the tests actually always pass *cough*
[14:27] <Laney> for example https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Saucy/view/AutoPkgTest/job/saucy-adt-glib-networking/9/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/console should have failed
[14:27] <darkxst> Laney, then thats not a test !
[14:27] <Laney> yeah the runner needs fixing
[14:30] <darkxst> Laney, ok, and I need sleep! big weekend of MTB'ing ahead
[14:34] <Laney> darkxst: maybe fixed in trunk actually, /me checks that
[14:34] <Laney> have fun mtbing
[14:35] <Laney> no, not fixed
[14:38] <darkxst> will do! night!
[14:39] <seb128> ev, is errors.ubuntu.com having issues? it doesn't seem to be replying, not sure if that's my connection
[14:39] <seb128> well it's replying but failing to load reports
[15:13] <pitti> seb128: timing out here, too, I don't even see the front page
[15:14] <seb128> pitti, I've pinged #is about it, lamont said he's going to have a look
[15:14] <seb128> pitti, hey, wie gehts? almost w.e for you?
[15:14] <lamont> believed to be a known issue
[15:15] <pitti> seb128: by and large, yes; just waiting for another ofono-phonesim fix to get published, and then re-re-re-running my messaging-app tests and hoping for the best :)
[15:15] <seb128> pitti, ;-)
[15:19] <pitti> slangasek: WDYT about a blueprint how to automatically do TRIMming on SSDs? high time for 14.04 LTS IMHO, and also quite embarrassing to have to explain that to every Ubuntu user around me..
[15:19] <pitti> slangasek: (there are two well-known approaches, just needs some discussion what is the better default)
[15:24] <stgraber> pitti: are you doing more than adding discard to any SSD+fs that supports it and doing an ATA wipe every once in a while?
[15:29] <slangasek> pitti: sounds like a good topic
[15:29] <pitti> stgraber: I create a cronjob to call fstrim every week
[15:29] <pitti> stgraber: that can be generalized to iterate over mount points and checking if it's an SSD with TRIM capabilities, etc
[15:30] <pitti> stgraber: I think that's better than "discard", but that's a subject for discussion I think
[15:30] <pitti> stgraber: either way, whether discard or cron, we need to do it
[15:30] <pitti> drives get excruciatingly slow (I got 1.5 MB/s!) after half a year or so without out
[15:30] <pitti> s/out/it/
[15:31] <stgraber> pitti: agreed. All my systems run on SSD here and have all been running with discard, haven't seen any obvious side effects and I have some with pretty busy SSDs running for 2-3 years now. But yeah, a vUDS discussion would be a very good thing as what we do by default is clearly wrong ;)
[15:34] <pitti> stgraber, slangasek: ack, I'll register a BP Monday
[15:35] <stgraber> pitti: thanks, can you subscribe me to it?
[15:35] <pitti> stgraber: sure
[15:35] <stgraber> awesome, thanks
[15:36] <pitti> it's primarily a "pick your pain" decision anyway, slow delete vs. a rather unpredictable I/O load every week (or whatever frequency we decide)
[15:39] <cjohnston> lool: did you get my email about the milestones for the trusty cycle?
[15:56] <lamont> seb128, pitti: shoujld be back
[18:05] <kenvandine> @pilot in
[18:33] <roadmr> stgraber: hello, I see the checkbox-0.14.10 package made it into proposed, did the diff turn out to be ok after all?
[20:09] <kenvandine> @pilot out
[20:53] <Noskcaj> rbasak, PING
[20:55] <Noskcaj> rbasak, Do you plan to merge pysvn any time soon?
[20:59] <brainwash> pitti: systemd-shim.c, line 118: the dbus signal does not get emitted occasionally after resuming from suspend. what could be the reason?
[20:59] <brainwash> pitti: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/saucy/systemd-shim/saucy/view/head:/src/systemd-shim.c#L118
[21:15] <rbasak> Noskcaj: not right now; do you want to take it?
[21:16] <Noskcaj> rbasak, Sure
[21:18] <rbasak> Noskcaj: thanks!
[21:19] <infinity> Looks like at least one of the patches can probably be dropped.
[21:20] <bdmurray> slangasek: how does trusty get added to extras.ubuntu.com?  bug 1244050
[21:20] <infinity> Possibly both.
[21:24] <infinity> Noskcaj / rbasak: Looks like both our patches made it upstream, I'll just sync pysvn.
[21:24] <Noskcaj> infinity, ok
[21:25] <rbasak> infinity: thanks!
[21:26] <Noskcaj> It's a bit worrying that the actual maintainer of pysvn hasn't done much in the last 2 years
[21:27] <slangasek> stgraber: extras.ubuntu.com> ^^ ?
[21:27] <slangasek> bdmurray: I guess it's in some way an ARB function, but I'm not sure if the ARB is still a going concern
[21:28] <stgraber> slangasek: can't do anything about it, no longer on the TB
[21:28] <slangasek> stgraber: so it's a TB-controlled thing?
[21:28] <infinity> What TB?
[21:28] <Laney> Isn't it a mirrored PPA?
[21:28] <stgraber> slangasek: you need someone on the TB or on the ARB to copy a package between an existing series and trusty in the PPA, wait for it to publish, then remove it
[21:28] <stgraber> that way trusty is created on ppa.launchpad.net
[21:29] <stgraber> and a bit later, that gets mirrored over to extras.u.c
[21:29] <infinity> Which PPA is this?
[21:29] <slangasek> and the ARB doesn't exist anymore either?
[21:29] <slangasek> bdmurray: so... I guess you can assign it to the technical board :)
[21:29] <infinity> I'm sure we can make this happen without a TB.
[21:29] <infinity> stgraber: Which PPA?
[21:29] <stgraber> infinity: https://launchpad.net/~app-review-board/+archive/ppa
[21:30] <Laney> the ARB has members
[21:30] <infinity> Nothing published there for saucy, either.  Shiny.  Though I assume the copy/delete trick happened.
[21:30] <stgraber> yep, I did it back in saucy
[21:30] <stgraber> http://ppa.launchpad.net/app-review-board/ppa/ubuntu/dists/
[21:31] <stgraber> I believe the latest extras.u.c upload was in quantal
[21:31] <infinity> Curious that no one's tried to get it to publish for all arches.
[21:32] <infinity> Anyhow, if you can't find an ARB person to do it, we can get a duckie to.
[21:33] <bdmurray> okay thanks
[21:33] <stgraber> highvoltage, ajmitch: around?
[21:33] <infinity> ajmitch: You arou... What he said?
[21:37] <stgraber> if we had governance bodies who could make that decision, it'd be nice to get rid of extras.u.c with 14.04 since this clearly isn't used
[21:48] <slangasek> stgraber, bdmurray: if extras.u.c should go away for 14.04 anyway, then that means we should really quirk it in u-r-u
[21:49] <CajunTechie> Hey guys, off-topic I know but how do I get in touch with the folks at developer.ubuntu.com?
[21:49] <stgraber> slangasek: it'd have to be discussed with the CC and TB, but since nothing was published in the past two cycles, it'd seem reasonable to consider this a failure and move on
[21:50] <stgraber> in which case we'll indeed need some code to get it out of any system that used to have it enabled
[21:52] <sarnold> CajunTechie: this is probably a reasonable starting point: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website-content
[21:55] <CajunTechie> Sarnold: Nope. Not a mention of it on that site. Can nobody submit apps through developer.ubuntu.com right now?
[21:56] <sarnold> CajunTechie: let's take a quick step back :) what are you trying to accomplish? :)
[22:00] <CajunTechie> Sarnold: I'm trying to submit a new application. It worked last night for the original submission. Then I needed to update and it gives me a 400 error
[22:07] <sarnold> CajunTechie: aha! thanks :) try #ubuntu-app-devel  ?
[22:10] <CajunTechie> Thanks! Didn't know about that one. You're a life-saver Sarnold :-)
[22:10] <sarnold> CajunTechie: happy to help, I hope you can get the problem sorted out quickly! :)
[22:11] <Noskcaj> mdeslaur, Can you look at https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/libxrandr/libxrandr ? It builds, but the lintian warning about changes to the diff makes me unsure i did this right
[22:14] <mdeslaur> Noskcaj: sure, when I get a minute
[22:22] <ev> bdmurray: thanks for landing the t-series update to the retracer config
[22:24] <bdmurray> ev: no problem, I also added T to errors
[22:24] <bdmurray> ev: I haven't submitted an RT for the update though
[22:27] <ev> bdmurray: we're literally working on the stagingstack retracers deployment now, so it won't be too long until we have proper cloudy retracers set up
[22:35] <slangasek> chiluk: hi, I've just assigned bug #1242746 to you... it appears there's a regression reported in the procps SRU
[23:12] <mdeslaur> Noskcaj: looked good, uploaded, thanks!


[00:33] <_marx_> ak, irc command to deop
[00:33] <holstein> _marx_: o/
[00:33] <_marx_> hi holstein
[00:34] <holstein>  /msg chanserv deop channel nick ?
[00:34] <_marx_> that worked
[00:34] <holstein> :)
[00:34] <_marx_> weechat
[00:35] <holstein> im in irssi now
[00:35] <holstein> but, i used to use weechat
[00:35] <holstein> i liked it
[00:35] <_marx_> i've used irssi some too
[02:35] <jack_^> -ChanServ- You are not authorized to perform this operation.
[02:35] <jack_^> dangit!
[02:36] <jack_^> im using xchat :<
[02:49] <holstein> jack_^: are you an op?
[04:02] <jack_^> not at all haha


[21:41] <cjwatson> shadeslayer: Could you arrange for (at least) kio-extras in ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next to be rebuilt against libexiv2-13, and plasma-nm to be rebuilt against libopenconnect3?  This causes https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/utopic/kubuntu-plasma5/+build/3112
[22:02] <cjwatson> shadeslayer: You can hopefully have images once that's sorted :)


[04:47] <jbailey> fabbione: I've added biarch gdb for sparc and ppc to my "hope to do" list for dapper now.
[04:48] <jbailey> Troubleshooting sparc64 TLS without gdb is pissing me off. =)
[06:43] <fabbione> ehhe ok


[11:14] <Simooon> hey, just wanted to check out the daily builds, but I can not boot from the usb stick I created, I created it using unetbootin, is there some other way I'm supposed to creat the bootable USB when it is the daily builds? dd possibly?
[11:18] <Simooon> nvm, I think I got it now


[11:32] <maswan> Setting up snmpd (5.1.2-6.1ubuntu2) ...
[11:32] <maswan> Couldn't create /home/snmp: Read-only file system.
[11:32] <maswan> gah!
[11:33] <Jeeves_> Nice :)
[11:33] <maswan> Of course it can't create it!
[11:34] <maswan> I have centralised home directories
[11:35] <lionelp> maswan: juste install snmpd before lanching automount :)
[11:35] <maswan> lionelp: No automount, AFS.
[11:35] <maswan> And I'm not about to unmount it
[11:35] <maswan> which means hacking around in inst scripts etc.
[11:35] <maswan> bleh.
[11:36] <lionelp> but i agree, snmpd could have a home somewhere else (in /var for exemple)
[11:36] <maswan> yeah
[11:37] <maswan> Should be a clear debian policy violation too, but I don't know how well in sync this is with the debian package
[11:37] <lionelp> it is the same in the debian package IIRC
[11:43] <maswan> lionelp: do you happen to have a sid system around to verify? I don't, otherwise I'd be submitting this to the debian BTS too.
[11:43] <lionelp> I was wrong, in sid, the home is /var/lib/snmp
[11:43] <lionelp> I have a sid in chroot
[11:44] <lionelp> maswan: but is is not the same version
[11:45] <lionelp> sid : Version: 5.2.2-3
[11:45] <lionelp> , Dapper : Version: <IP_ADDRESS>-4ubuntu1
[11:46] <lionelp> maswan: you filled a bug ?
[12:02] <infinity> maswan: Eek.  Is that on breezy?
[12:06] <lionelp> oh infinity you are right, it is not any more the case in Dapper !
[12:06] <infinity> It isn't?
[12:07] <infinity> Looking at the package, it still should have the same bug.
[12:07] <lionelp> no, not any more
[12:07] <lionelp> it was the case in breezy
[12:07] <lionelp> sorry
[12:07] <infinity> No, looks like dapper has the same bug to me.
[12:07] <infinity> (sid doesn't)
[12:14] <lionelp> infinity: you are right, i forgot to exit chroot after checking Debian....
[12:17] <maswan> infinity: Oh, nope. Breezy.
[12:17] <infinity> maswan: Yeah, it's buggy in dapper too.  Ficing there.
[12:17] <infinity> Fixing, even.
[12:17] <infinity> Not going to fix it in breezy-updates, not really critical enough.
[12:17] <maswan> infinity: ah, great.
[12:18] <maswan> infinity: yeah, the workaround should probably be somewhere findable though, but I don't really know how.
[12:18] <infinity> Edit the postinst and add --no-create-home to the adduser call, then try again. :)
[12:18] <infinity>         adduser --quiet --system --no-create-home --home /var/lib/snmp snmp
[12:19] <infinity> That's what it'll look like in dapper in a few minutes.
[12:22] <maswan> it runs fine without a home?
[12:22] <maswan> or does /var/lib/snmp already exist for other reasons?
[12:58] <infinity> maswan: /var/lib/snmp is shipped in the package.
[12:58] <infinity> maswan: You might want to "chown -R snmp /var/lib/snmp" after the package installation, though (the new package in dapper will do so)
[01:47] <tsurc> Hi, kind of a newbie here. I have a HP DL140 G2 server (Read 2*Xeon 4gb Ram 2*80Gb sata HDD) Do I install 686-smp or -server kernel for best performance using dapper?
[01:51] <exobuzz> im considering running ubuntu server edition. I use kubuntu on a desktop machine. Im thinking to try breezy on a server (well.. on a intel mac mini).. wondered what I can expect in comparison to say debian stable in terms of packages/support/stability ?
[01:56] <tsurc> I'v looked on the wiki and other places, but draw a blank, what s ther difference between the server kernel and the others. What so special about it?
[01:56] <exobuzz> maybe things like v4l etc left out
[01:58] <tsurc> does it have smp support? I have a dual xeon server I want to get Windoze off and liberate it
[01:59] <tsurc> but I want to get the right kernel installed for the job. like having a 386 kernal on a dual xeon isn't good right?
[02:00] <exobuzz> well i guess it wont run quite as well..
[02:26] <infinity> tsurc: You want the -server kernel most likely.
[02:27] <infinity> exobuzz: You won't get it to install or boot on an Intel Mac Mini.
[02:27] <infinity> exobuzz: We're hoping to have all the pieces in place for that to work in some sane fashion for dapper.
[02:28] <infinity> exobuzz: As for comparing to stable, I try pretty hard to make sure that our releases compare in quality.  Package selection is nearly identical (for obvious reasons), and support tends to be a bit quicker (security support, especially)
[02:32] <exobuzz> infinity: why won't i get it to install  ?
[02:32] <exobuzz> infinity: I'm smart you know :-)
[02:33] <infinity> Because the Intel Macs aren't like other Intel systems.
[02:33] <infinity> They're EFI based, not classic PC BIOS based.
[02:33] <exobuzz> ive already got elilo up and running
[02:33] <exobuzz> :-)
[02:33] <exobuzz> just compiling the kernel now ready to boot a live cd and bootstrap ubuntu
[02:34] <infinity> Oh, if you're already on your way, then fine.  If that's the case, I can't imagine why you'd need to ask the other questions (like how package selection compares between sarge and breezy)
[02:34] <exobuzz> infinity: it was more a general question. i didnt mean package selection, i meant quality of packages etc.. configuration level of packages
[02:34] <infinity> Pretty darned similar.
[02:35] <exobuzz> ok
[02:35] <exobuzz> :-)
[02:35] <infinity> We don't fork the server stuff very far from Debian.
[02:35] <exobuzz> im a little worried about myself btw, as i booted up osx for the first time today. and kinda liked it. should i see a doctor ?
[02:35] <exobuzz> :-)
[02:35] <exobuzz> i mean.. eye candy mental but
[02:35] <infinity> And half the stuff you'd want to install on many home servers (postfix, apache2, php5, mysql, postgresql, etc) is maintained by Ubuntu maintainers in both Debian and Ubuntu.
[02:36] <infinity> (ie: Me)
[02:36] <infinity> And yes, you should see someone. :)
[02:36] <exobuzz> and 3rd party support? for example debian stable users can go and install the dotdeb packages for latest php/mysql.. obviously ubuntu is more up to date that stable anyway.
[02:36] <infinity> I like to look at OSX, but I can't stand using it.  The fact that it's painfully slow on REALLY FAST hardware doesn't sell it to me as a desktop, and as a server, it's just a bit too.. Quirky.
[02:37] <exobuzz> i wouldnt know where to start to use it as a server. everythyings in the wrong place :-)
[02:37] <infinity> exobuzz: I wouldn't recommend anyone, Debian or Ubuntu users, install anything from dotdeb.  Ever.  So, you're asking the wrong man.
[02:37] <infinity> I've dealt with more bug reports coming from those packages being broken, because he just blindly mangles and backports my packages with very little thought on his part.
[02:37] <exobuzz> ok.. actually i dont use dotdeb.. because my other server is a powerpc mac :-) (and they dont supply powerpc packages)
[02:37] <infinity> But I'm not bitter...
[02:37] <exobuzz> aah i see ok
[02:38] <exobuzz> the main reason im considering ubuntu, is that I really dont want to wait 2 years for the next debian stable :-)
[02:38] <infinity> But, in general, some people do provide 3rd party repositories, we also provide our own "backports" repository that will often contain backports of sources from release+1
[02:38] <exobuzz> great
[02:38] <infinity> (So, breezy-backports has many backports from dapper, hoary-backports has many backports from breezy, etc)
[02:38] <exobuzz> yeh i use some on my desktop kubuntu
[02:38] <infinity> Not recommended either, you're generally better off using the stable and supported packages, but hey.  If you're a bit nuts, go for it.
[02:38] <exobuzz> and ubuntu/kubuntu is great for the desktop.. really lovely
[02:39] <infinity> You won't have to wait 2 years for Etch. :)  If all goes well, it should be a Christmas release, give or take.
[02:39] <exobuzz> i take it breezy has php4 as well as php5 ? and for compatibility i wonder if it has the 3.4 or..
[02:39] <infinity> Debian's aiming for an 18 month cycle these days, while Ubuntu is a 6 month cycle, I think they should complement each other well.
[02:39] <exobuzz> hmm.. christmas.. thats a long time to be living with an old php :-)
[02:40] <infinity> breezy has 4.4.0 and 5.0.5
[02:40] <exobuzz> 4.4 has compatibility issues with functions returning constants or something doesnt it. hmm
[02:40] <exobuzz> it gives notices on them at least
[02:40] <infinity> And well it should.
[02:40] <exobuzz> they changed something from 4.3->4.4
[02:40] <infinity> You shouldn't display notices in production anyway.
[02:41] <infinity> (And you should fix the buggy code)
[02:41] <exobuzz> :-)
[02:41] <infinity> It was always incorrect to do the things that started throwing notices in 4.4, we just forgot to throw notices..
[02:42] <exobuzz> what if i really like ubuntu server.. then i will want my other server to run it. but its 100 miles away
[02:42] <exobuzz> damn :-)
[02:42] <infinity> Anyhow, if you really want 4.3, there's a slim chance that the 4.3.10 packages from sarge will install on breezy.
[02:43] <infinity> I do remote distro switches all the time (usually because leased machines come with Fedora or CentOS installed, and I want to switch them to Debian or Ubuntu)
[02:43] <infinity> It's not terribly much effort.
[02:44] <exobuzz> any tips ? im not sure id know where to start..
[02:44] <exobuzz> :-)
[02:47] <exobuzz> websvn on sf can be painfully slow.... grrr
[02:47] <infinity> Get debootstrap.  debootstrap $distro_of_choice into /newroot.    Run static shell.  rm -rf /(anything not /newroot).  mv /newroot/* /.  Make sure bootloader is configured and installed on bootblock.  Reboot.
[02:47] <exobuzz> oh yeh
[02:47] <exobuzz> that makes sense
[02:47] <exobuzz> :-)
[02:47] <infinity> Things to watch out for:  Make sure you set a password for at least one user (a regular user with sudo or a root user) in the /newroot chroot when you were creating it.  Make sure to install sshd so you can get back in.  Don't screw up the kernel and bootloader setup.
[02:47] <exobuzz> which static shell do you use ?
[02:48] <infinity> sash works well.
[02:49] <exobuzz> thanks
[02:52] <infinity> I do this on a regular basis, and mostly from muscle memory, so I may have left out a few steps, but you get the general idea.
[02:52] <infinity> Just make mental checklist of "ways you can screw yourself" before you reboot and find yourself locked out.
[02:53] <infinity> The first time I did this, I created an initial user... Without sudo access.. And didn't set a root password.
[02:53] <infinity> The funny half of this story is that the kernel I installed was the woody d-i kernel that had a known root hole, so I rooted myself to get access to the box.
[02:53] <infinity> Beat calling up the hosting provider and paying them 50 bucks to reimage with RedHat so I could statr all over.
[02:54] <exobuzz> hahaha!
[02:54] <exobuzz> *phew*
[02:57] <exobuzz> ok.. out of all the technicalities i could stumble across whilst getting linux installed on this intel mac mini
[02:57] <exobuzz> how do i eject the cd :-)
[02:57] <exobuzz> humph..
[02:57] <exobuzz> one of the buttons on the kb for sure.
[02:59] <exobuzz> hold f12 ! simple..
[02:59] <exobuzz> im a genius!
[05:19] <allee> mhmm, ganglia v3 released over a year ago. Are there problems with v3 (beside that debian maintainer didn't upgrade it's pkgs)
[05:20] <exobuzz> got ubuntu-server up and running on my intel mac mini now!
[05:23] <fabbione> allee: nobody contributed packages and we had no time to do it
[07:23] <allee> fabbione: ok. looks like I'll to do it sooner or later ;
[07:23] <allee> exobuzz: congrats
[07:24] <exobuzz> :)
[07:25] <allee> bbl
[10:21] <tarvid> anybody working with ipp2p or l7-filter?
[11:40] <danf_1979> Hi
[11:41] <danf_1979> any tutorial for installing apache mod_security? the debian package seesms unavailable from the repos
[12:00] <bpuccio> danf_1979:  http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/web/libapache2-mod-security it seems mod_security is there
[12:00] <bpuccio> for warty, hoary and dapper as well


[02:42] <tjcafe> hello, everyone. I can't find the "software center" in Lubuntu system. and I also can't install software use "apt-get" command. eg: sudo apt-get install xchat.
[03:20] <xangua> tjcafe: run apt update , try again
[08:25] <CraigDeOptimus> need help to get wifi working on hp 530 laptop.
[08:41] <zerorax> CraigDeOptimus, do you know which chip you have?
[08:43] <zerorax> try running lspci -nnk | grep -iA2 net and pasting the output to pastebin.com and giving us the link
[08:44] <zerorax> lspci -nnk | grep -iA2 net
[08:45] <zerorax> If it's what I think it is, you should be able to fix it with 'sudo apt-get purge bcwl-kernel-source' followed by 'sudo apt-get install linux-firmware-nonfree'
[08:46] <zerorax> then a reboot
[08:46] <zerorax> you'll need to connect to a wired connection to do this
[08:48] <zerorax> oh and if you're on a fresh install you might need to do first 'sudo apt-get update'
[08:50] <zerorax> ubuntu doesn't include a lot of things because they aren't free, and by free, they mean you aren't free to use them without conditions
[08:53] <zerorax> if you can't connect over a wired connection, search for a deb for your corresponding ubuntu version on google, and put it on a usb stick or drive you can access from your linux install and install it manually
[08:55] <zerorax> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+package/linux-firmware-nonfree  <-- links to the package you need if you are running 16.04, and I am guessing but am not sure they will also work for 16.10 as well
[08:57] <zerorax> you want the i386 package
[09:00] <zerorax> you might need the package firmware-iwlwifi instead... there is 2 530 HP configurations
[09:02] <zerorax> depends if your wifi adapter is the broadcom one (linux-firmware-nonfree) or the intel one(firmware-iwlwifi)
[13:55] <Ted123> I downloaded the Lubuntu ISO and it won't boot what could be the problem? It's a newer DVDROM so I don't believe that's it. It boots with the blinking cursor in the left corner sits there for about a min. then boots on to the hard drive with windows.
[14:02] <Ted123> Is anyone here?
[14:04] <lynorian> !md5sum |Ted123
[14:04] <lynorian> you really should check that
[14:06] <Ted123> Thank you I will check
[14:18] <Ted123> The MD5SUM is the same they compared exactly.
[14:25] <Ted123> anyone?
[15:40] <KingsQuest> lubuntu 16.04 LTS is now GNU2 except the kernel soon
[15:40] <KingsQuest> thats not bad
[15:41] <KingsQuest> it is even stateful packet inspection
[15:42] <KingsQuest> and not reverso hack for stateful
[15:42] <KingsQuest> soon
[15:46] <KingsQuest> 18 minutes main uk server alone
[18:03] <cimbakahn> Hello Everyone!
[18:04] <cimbakahn> Does anyone know if this repository is still active ----> deb http://archive.ubuntugames.org ubuntugames main
[18:05] <wxl> check with ubuntugames.org, cimbakahn
[18:05] <cimbakahn> How do i do that?  What page do i go to, or which irc channel do i go to?
[18:06] <wxl> no clue
[18:06] <wxl> afaik that's nothing official
[18:07] <cimbakahn> I typed in ubuntugames.org and got nothing.
[18:07] <cimbakahn> What is afaik?
[18:07] <wxl> as far as i know
[18:07] <xangua> There you go, nothing
[18:07] <cimbakahn> Ok.
[18:07] <xangua> There you have*
[18:08] <wxl> i did find this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGames
[18:08] <cimbakahn> I'll check.
[18:09] <wxl> there's a twitter page but it seems the team's default language is brazilian portugese
[18:09] <wxl> also they haven't tweeted in 2 years
[18:10] <wxl> the mailing list looks pretty dead
[18:10] <genii> You might find someone in #ubuntu-br or -pt that speaks english and knows something about it
[18:10] <wxl> heh yeah maybe
[18:11] <wxl> or track this guy down as he's the project lead https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Coringao
[18:11] <genii> Whois shows: Admin Email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:11] <xangua> wxl: there's a third party repository called playdeb , but you haven't really say what you want
[18:12] <cimbakahn> One of the links there was the same one you gave me, but there is an irc channel.  I'll check it now.
[18:12] <wxl> xangua: if you're making suggestions for alternatives to ubuntugames, you might want to point that at the OP, cimbakahn
[18:12] <xangua> Oh sorry cimbakahn  ^
[18:15] <cimbakahn> I was ginen this irc channel, but can't find it ----> #ubuntugames
[18:15] <cimbakahn> ginen is given.
[18:16] <wxl> i think it's safe to say the project is probably dead :/
[18:16] <xangua> 12:11 PM <xangua> there's a third party repository called playdeb , but you haven't really say what you want cimbakahn
[18:16] <cimbakahn> I already have playdeb.
[18:17] <wxl> there's been no updates to the ppa in 2 years, either
[18:17] <wxl> so you can't very well go and add that
[18:18] <wxl> looks like the domain registration is good until october
[18:18] <wxl> that said, i'd contact the owner and see what's up
[18:18] <wxl><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:18] <cimbakahn> I understand.  Well, i very much appreciate your help.
[18:19] <wxl> no prob. sorry couldn't do more
[18:19] <cimbakahn> I could do that.  I also don't relish the thought of putting in an old repository.
[18:20] <wxl> what version you on?
[18:21] <cimbakahn> I have been trying to find a copy of the game Go Ollie!    Problem is is is no longer on the authors site.
[18:21] <cimbakahn> I was hoping someone else had a copy out there.
[18:22] <cimbakahn> You mean lubuntu version?  1604.4
[18:23] <wxl> yeah and if that's the case you don't want the repo as it only publishes up to vivid. you'd get nothing out of it, broken or otherwise :)
[18:23] <wxl> you *MIGHT* try looking on internet archive. there's a slim chance someone's put it there
[18:23] <cimbakahn> Thank you for looking out for me.
[18:24] <cimbakahn> I'll look.
[18:26] <cimbakahn> I found this ----> https://archive.org/details/Go_Ollie
[18:28] <cimbakahn> It is probably in some sort of zip file.  I have only installed a zip twice.  I think i might of forgot how i did it.
[18:28] <wxl> it does say "windows games." you might have to run it in wine to boot
[18:30] <cimbakahn> I have successfully installed games thru wine.  I just hope i can get it installed smoothly.
[18:30] <wxl> if you have trouble there's a wine channel
[18:30] <cimbakahn> Ok.  Thank you so much.
[18:31] <cimbakahn> Bye Bye!
[19:23] <Menanque> Hi, can anyone help me? I'm trying to install but the installer keeps crashing
[19:23] <xangua> !details
[19:25] <Menanque> i don't really have any error details other than "The installer has crashed", and I'm trying to install lubuntu 16.10 64-bit. It crashes when trying to install grub, and if I reboot I can't boot back into lubuntu
[19:26] <genii> What method of installing are you using? Liveusb? Livecd/dvd? Wubi? Net install?
[19:27] <Menanque> Liveusb, but I also tried through wubi
[22:03] <onla> keyboard layout handler gui from task bar, what command from cli iates that
[22:03] <onla> initiates
[23:35] <cimbakahn> Hello Everyone!
[23:36] <cimbakahn> Does anyone know where i can get glibc2.3.2   ?
[23:37] <cimbakahn> It is required to satisfy a package i want to install.
[23:37] <lynorian> cimbakahn, which package?
[23:38] <cimbakahn> GoOllie_13.sh
[23:39] <krytarik> lol
[23:39] <genii> Thats not a package, thats a shell script
[23:40] <genii> Where did it come from?
[23:40] <cimbakahn> I realize that.  It still needs glibc2.3.2
[23:42] <cimbakahn> The script installs the program.  I read the readme, and it said it needed glibc2.3.2
[23:44] <cimbakahn> I had it installed, and when it was loading it crashed.
[23:44] <genii> cimbakahn: I just got a zipped up deb of Go Ollie 1.3 from http://go-ollie.en.uptodown.com/ubuntu/download which installed fine on my 16.10 here and runs
[23:47] <cimbakahn> I tryed a 64bit deb and a 32bit deb  they didn't work for me.  Can you please give me the link?
[23:48] <genii> That link I just gave is the one. The "download" button doesn't have a way to copy the actual file location
[23:48] <cimbakahn> The 64bit one installed fine but no icon under games.
[23:48] <cimbakahn> Ok.  I'll look.
[23:49] <cimbakahn> Did that zip have 2 debs inside it?
[23:50] <genii> Yes, goollie-data_1.3-1~getdeb4_all.deb and goollie_1.3-1~getdeb4_i386.deb
[23:51] <cimbakahn> When you installed it, did you see an icon in games?
[23:51] <cimbakahn> I tryed the 1st one and no icon under games.
[23:52] <genii> It doesn't add a menu entry. But it runs fine
[23:52] <cimbakahn> How did you start the game then?
[23:53] <krytarik> cimbakahn: You need to install both of them, btw.
[23:53] <cimbakahn> That 32bit one will have an unsatisfied dependency.
[23:54] <cimbakahn> Are you sure?
[23:55] <genii> cimbakahn: It made a link on my desktop
[23:58] <cimbakahn> Ok.  I will try the 64bit one again.
[23:58] <genii> The executable seems to be /usr/share/games/goollie/GoOllie
[23:59] <cimbakahn> 64bit one installed.  Now what?


[09:29] <jMCg> So, no update here, huh?
[09:30] <jMCg> I get the same results when I export HOME=/opt/logstash within script, so I'm assuming something is going wrong :-\
[17:51] <SpamapS> jMCg: looking now
[17:53] <SpamapS> jMCg: export in upstart jobs is for the events only. All env's are "exported" to the scripts/processes that are run in pre/post-stop/start and the main process
[17:54] <SpamapS> jMCg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1121877/
[17:54] <SpamapS> jMCg: results in Jul 31 10:52:18 clint-MacBookPro test: HOME=/home/foo
[18:09] <jMCg> SpamapS: so that should work :-S
[18:12] <SpamapS> jMCg: yes it should. Are you certain java is really java, and not some shell script that sources an env file?
[18:27] <jMCg> SpamapS: http://sprunge.us/bNfB
[18:29] <SpamapS> jMCg: ok well then HOME should be set :)
[18:39] <jMCg> \but the progra, is still spitting out millions of errors, which relate to HOME not being set
[18:57] <jMCg> (Which is kind of counter productive, because it's supposed to collect and index logs ;)
[19:23] <gchristensen> I have a script that runs as a foreach loop over a long list, and executes a command on each one. is it kosher to add the foreach and all between script and end script? or should I haveit pulled out into a separate file
[19:24] <gchristensen> (I know I *could* do it, but best practices anda ll..)
[19:26] <jMCg> gchristensen: what, exactly, does it do?
[19:28] <gchristensen> it iterates over a list of 500+ clients and triggers an event in a queue. the "general" idea is we want this system to basically continue running forever, so at the end of the list it would respawn (it takes about 20min to go through the list)
[19:28] <gchristensen> so using respawn, limit 2 600
[22:08] <SpamapS> gchristensen: its perfectly kosher to have the shell code in the script/end script be "the program". Just not very easy to maintain.
[22:09] <SpamapS> gchristensen: were it my system, I'd put it somewhere else and exec that so that the upstart bit and the "code" are separate
[22:16] <gchristensen> soudns good. thank you SpamapS


[01:50] <r000t> hi
[01:52] <pangolin> Hello r000t
[01:52] <pangolin> anything I can help with?
[01:54] <r000t> pangolin: yes plz
[01:54] <r000t> pangolin: my little brother was trolling on #ubuntu and got me banned.
[01:54] <pangolin> that is a shame.
[01:55] <r000t> Very
[01:55] <pangolin> I'm affraid from what I see in the logs there is no way I can unban you.
[01:55] <r000t> Thats fine.
[01:56] <pangolin> Alright then, come back in two weeks and we can take it from there.
[01:56] <pangolin> Have a good night.
[01:56] <r000t> Alrighty
[01:56] <pangolin> Please part the channel, so we can keep track of who needs help.
[01:57] <r000t> I need help though.
[01:57] <elky> This isn't a tech support channel.
[01:57] <pangolin> r000t: We deal with ban resolution in here and I already helped with that.
[01:57] <elky> askubuntu.com and ubuntuforums.org can help you in the meantime
[01:57] <r000t> pangolin: I need help with something ban related.
[01:58] <pangolin> Please explain
[01:59] <r000t> Ok
[02:00] <pangolin> r000t: get on with it please or I will remove you.
[02:00] <r000t> pangolin: please give me time to make a complete and  coherent query.
[02:00] <elky> r000t, additionally if you're in the habit of leaving your computer unlocked, you should definitely not run as root or your little brother will end up ruining the system
[02:00] <r000t> Now I have to start all over, please.
[02:01] <r000t> elky: he's mentally retarded. I don't think he can do very much.
[02:02] <r000t> Now where was I...
[02:02] <elky> Wasting our time, apparently.
[17:32] <AlanBell> hi all
[17:32] <pleia2> welcome AlanBell, congrats
[17:33] <AlanBell> thanks
[17:34] <pangolin> We need to get AlanBell added to the access list
[17:35] <pangolin> Congrats :)
[18:01] <Pricey>  -!- Resistance<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #freenode
[18:01] <Pricey> New cloak format?
[18:01]  * Pici shrugs
[18:02] <pleia2> it was discussed over in #ubuntu-irc when it was applied, it was complicated
[18:02] <Resistance> floodbots kickban now?
[18:02] <Resistance> btw, if they do, someone's evading a ban
[18:03] <Resistance> but not by his own fault, but because the kickban hit the wrong pattern :P
[18:03] <Resistance> in #ubuntu
[18:03] <Pici> Resistance: They're not. Its just the way that the floodbots handle people flooding from gateway addresses.
[18:03] <Resistance> i see
[18:03] <Resistance> thanks
[18:04]  * oCean gives fb1 a leftover Christmas candy
[18:05] <pangolin> got Pm from the flooder
[18:06] <pangolin> pM
[18:06] <pangolin> PM
[18:06] <pangolin> pm
[18:06] <oCean> mp?
[18:06] <pangolin> nope
[18:06] <oCean> oh
[18:06] <oCean> chann is still +z, he's still yelling?
[18:07] <pangolin> maybe
[18:07] <pangolin> op up and see
[18:08] <oCean> i did, there was nothing
[19:50] <Pici> coolstar-pc: Can we help you?
[19:50] <coolstar-pc> Apparently, I was banned from #ubuntu and I can't contact the person who banned me to settle it
[19:51] <coolstar-pc> I had to go to #kde to get help on what was otherwise a problem with kubuntu
[19:51] <Pici> Do you remember when that was?
[19:51] <coolstar-pc> A few days b4 X-Mas
[19:52] <coolstar-pc> I think it was on the 22 or 23
[19:56] <Pici> coolstar-pc: I'd be happy to remove your ban if you agree to use Ubuntu for support only, not for recruiting people for some project. Okay?
[19:56] <coolstar-pc> Ok
[19:57] <coolstar-pc> I've realized the place for help on that is probably #ubuntu-appdevel or #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:57] <Pici> Right.
[19:58] <Pici> coolstar-pc: You should be able to join #ubuntu now, can you try?
[19:58] <coolstar-pc> It works now
[19:59] <Pici> Great.
[19:59] <coolstar-pc> Should I be unmuted in #kubuntu cuz i switched to kubuntu now?
[19:59] <Pici> You should be able to talk there, could you give it a try?
[19:59] <coolstar-pc> It says cannot send to channel
[19:59] <Pici> okay, one moment.
[20:00] <coolstar-pc> My nick is registered
[20:01] <Pici> coolstar-pc: can you please rejoin #kubuntu ?
[20:01] <coolstar-pc> Pici: Still gives the same error.
[20:01] <coolstar-pc> [12:01] == Cannot send to channel: #kubuntu
[20:03] <Pici> coolstar-pc: you should be good now.
[20:05] <coolstar-pc> I can speak now.
[20:06] <Pici> coolstar-pc: good to hear.  If theres nothing else we can help you with at this time, I'd like to remind you about our idling policy in this channel.
[20:06] <coolstar-pc> Thank you
[20:06] <coolstar-pc> Wish you a happy new year :)
[20:58] <Pricey> pleia2: Sounds like my favourite kind of discussion.
[21:28] <elky> Pricey, yeah, we don't actually get a say in it, it's really freenode's dictum
[21:28] <Pricey> elky: I've just been updated on it. Makes more sense now :-)
[21:29] <elky> only slightly


[08:42] <fullmoon> good morning, afternoon, evening i kinda got a problem which i didn't had in ubuntu studio 10.04. Now I'm using 12.04 64bit. Problem is i can't move any folders?? why cant i move folders from my desktop to other folders??>>>error: File ol folder does not exsist<<<
[08:45] <philipballew> fullmoon, can you just cp it in the shell?
[08:46] <fullmoon> no
[08:46] <philipballew> does ls show it?
[08:46] <fullmoon> says same file or folder not existant
[08:46] <fullmoon> i tested it with new created folder(empty one) and still didnt work
[08:46] <philipballew> so then its not there right?
[08:46] <fullmoon> in list it shows it
[08:47] <philipballew> in Nautilus or whatever file manager our running?
[08:48] <philipballew> studio is xfce now iirc
[08:48] <fullmoon> xfce dekstop
[08:49] <philipballew> yeah!
[08:50]  * philipballew wonders if this is a bug or not
[08:50] <fullmoon> dunno in 10.04 didnt had this problem
[08:50] <fullmoon> but switched to new version since its also LTS
[08:51] <fullmoon> tried moving with sudo comannd no luck either
[08:51] <Unit193> Did you use proper case and escape spaces, etc?
[08:52] <fullmoon> i think so used online tutorial from YT path corected and such
[08:52] <fullmoon> tried diffrent spacing etc
[08:52] <fullmoon> still no luck
[08:53] <Unit193> Can you give the exact file name and command tried?
[08:54] <fullmoon> ok fixed it when you mentioned space i deleted space in folder name and works
[08:54] <fullmoon> its strange tho that it doesnt allow move folders with spaces in their names
[08:55] <Unit193> You can, it's just rather than using  file folder  you use either "file folder" or  file\ folder.
[08:55] <Unit193> Hence why I asked if you escaped them.
[08:55] <fullmoon> ye just noticed it in dir i never put \ before space but seems ubuntu does put it automaticly
[08:56] <fullmoon> ye gave me thinking hehe
[08:56] <Unit193> If you use tab complete. :)
[08:56] <fullmoon> thnks Unit193 and phill
[08:56] <Unit193> Sure.
[08:56] <fullmoon> but why didnt i had this problem in 10.04??
[08:57] <fullmoon> just wondering about that
[12:53] <nlsthzn> o/ all I need assistance setting up dual monitors, one running of discreet gfx (Radeon) and the other screen running of onboard Intel
[12:54] <nlsthzn> the screen on the radeon card working well, the intel card not.  It only works when I go to a tty and then the Radeon goes blank
[12:55] <nlsthzn> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2087963 for some info
[12:55] <nlsthzn> or is this better asked in #ubuntu?
[14:32] <kg> hi, pre-apology for a wordy question but i am new to ubuntu and somewhat new to linux fs. i've downloaded source for unity, i've built it using pbuilder, so now i have a package to install...but haven't yet installed for fear of the unknown - i am trying to understand as a developer what happens when using dpkg install to the package that are already there? for instance, let's say i modify some code build - but ooops, i was wron
[14:49] <raub> kg: AFAIK, you can reinstall the "factory" package over yours
[14:51] <kg> thanks - so if i screw something up, just pull from the ppa and reinstall?
[14:51] <raub> That's what I would do
[14:52] <raub> You can always force it
[14:55] <kg> thanks, i'll go with it if thats the convention (  i came from a symbian background where we would have loads of lib versions laying around to swap)
[17:16] <yeehi> Updated firmware for a SSD is v important. Will Ubuntu Quantal do this automatically, after installation? Samsung 840 pro
[18:32] <escott> yeehi, almost surely not going to be done automatically
[21:28] <guest-jdEQeq> i need help getting something done after installing ubuntu 12.04 LTS for the first time.
[21:29] <guest-jdEQeq> i can login as guest but my admin account that i created during the install no longer works.


[15:30] <cpaelzer> o/
[15:31] <cpaelzer> #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status
[15:31] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Nov 24 15:31:23 2020 UTC.  The chair is cpaelzer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:31] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[15:31] <sarnold> good morning
[15:31] <cpaelzer> ddstreet: sarnold: jamespage: doko: didrocks: o/
[15:32] <cpaelzer> we had no previous action items other than review assignments for james page, so we can right away go to
[15:32] <cpaelzer> #topic current component mismatches
[15:32] <cpaelzer> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg
[15:32] <cpaelzer> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg
[15:32] <cpaelzer> mostly LGTM with one new entry
[15:32] <cpaelzer> mime-support -> mailcap -> media-types
[15:32] <cpaelzer> mime-support is foundations, is that known already doko?
[15:33] <cpaelzer> ... also giving everyone some time to see the ping and remember the meeting is now ...
[15:34] <cpaelzer> while we are waiting I can already pre-state that this week we have no-new MIR cases and no recently updated incomplete cases
[15:34] <cpaelzer> therefore once "mime-support -> mailcap -> media-types" is resovled we are done
[15:34] <cpaelzer> while waiting for doko everyone feel free to comment if you have anything for "Any other business?"
[15:34] <cpaelzer> #topic Any other business?
[15:35] <doko> mime-support synced/merged by vorlon, I'll ask him
[15:35] <cpaelzer> thanks doko
[15:35] <cpaelzer> that would be everything for today - \o/
[15:35] <cpaelzer> anything for the "open topic" section?
[15:35]  * cpaelzer has nothing
[15:36] <sarnold> where'd that esmtp come from?
[15:36] <sarnold> (via logcheck)
[15:36] <cpaelzer> I think that was one of the known false positives
[15:36] <sarnold> logcheck has Depends: adduser, default-mta | mail-transport-agent .. and I can only spot postfix via default-mta
[15:36] <cpaelzer> whith alternative dependencies and germinate picking a random one
[15:37] <sarnold> aha
[15:37] <sarnold> then I've just got goldfish memory, okay :)
[15:39] <cpaelzer> we last talked about it on 15th Sept
[15:40] <cpaelzer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/germinate/+bug/1895011
[15:40] <cpaelzer> you fail to see it as it only happens that (broken) way on i386
[15:40] <cpaelzer> goldfish refilled :-)
[15:40] <cpaelzer> anything else?
[15:41] <sarnold> lol, thanks :)
[15:42] <cpaelzer> np
[15:42] <cpaelzer> seems we are good for today then
[15:42] <sarnold> cool, thanks cpaelzer, cpaelzer :)
[15:42] <cpaelzer> letting everone back to the TG week
[15:42] <cpaelzer> #endmeeting
[15:42] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Nov 24 15:42:22 2020 UTC.
[15:42] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2020/ubuntu-meeting.2020-11-24-15.31.moin.txt
[15:42] <ddstreet> thanks o/
[15:44] <doko> cpaelzer: still online?
[15:49] <cpaelzer> doko: yeah
[15:49] <cpaelzer> meetings at the top of the hour


[00:02] <bdmurray> pitti: armhf ddebs of mir didn't make it on to the server
[06:45] <pitti> Good morning
[08:39] <dholbach> good morning
[10:01] <dholbach> diwic, happy birthday!
[10:01] <diwic> dholbach, thanks! :-)
[11:47] <pfSmorigo> hi, I'm using preseed but I'm stuck in "No root file system is defined."
[11:47] <pfSmorigo> my preseed has a "d-i partman-auto/disk string /dev/sdb"
[12:39] <pitti> stgraber, hallyn: is there a concrete attack scenario why /var/lib/lxc needs to be 700? or is this just an additional defense line in case of containers with broken permissions?
[12:40] <pitti> I mean, system root dirs are usually world readable, and secret stuff has appropriate permissions
[12:44] <mdeslaur> pitti: bug 1244635
[12:46] <jdstrand> hallyn, arges: fyi, https://chinstrap.canonical.com/~jamie/lp1292234/ has forhallyn-trusty-amd64.img.gz and forhallyn-trusty-amd64.img.corrupted.gz
[12:46] <jdstrand> hallyn, arges I couldn't reproduce it until last night
[12:47] <didrocks> pitti: if we separate upstart system services and upstart session only services, the number of packages to convert this cycles aren't horrible: http://people.canonical.com/~didrocks/systemd/packages-to-convert/2014-11-20.txt
[12:47] <jdstrand> let me double check the the hashes
[12:48] <pitti> mdeslaur: ah, thank you!
[12:48] <jdstrand> hallyn, arges: weird-- it is like a tenth of the size...
[12:48] <jdstrand> (compressed)
[12:49] <pitti> didrocks: yes, indeed! we don't need to convert the session ones, but we must replace any system upstart event that they listen to by something else
[12:49] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, that's why I still list them and counted them at the bottom
[12:49]  * didrocks waits for jhunt to merge his branch with those changes
[12:49] <pitti> didrocks: also, note that there are a lot of false postiives in that list too
[12:50] <didrocks> yeah, I know, I'm looking at why now
[12:51] <didrocks> pitti: actually, do you have an example of a false positive ones? The one I thought actually had some upstart session service in the end
[12:51] <pitti> didrocks: I mean hostname, mountall, upstart, upstart-bin, ureadahead
[12:51] <didrocks> ah that
[12:51] <didrocks> yeah
[12:51] <didrocks> not sure it worth a blacklist, we know about those
[12:51] <pitti> didrocks: yes, just pointing out that the list is even a bit shorter :)
[12:51] <didrocks> yeah :)
[12:56] <pitti> didrocks: oh, and rfkill too
[12:57] <didrocks> well, ok, let's build the blacklist then :)
[12:58] <pitti> didrocks: don't waste time on it -- apart from rfkill it's quite obvious, and I didn't spot others
[12:59] <didrocks> ok, I would totally have forgotten rfkill TBH
[13:08] <Saviq> pitti, hey, I was wondering, is it possible, using gdbserver or similar, to debug stuff on a remote host, while supplying symbols locally? I'm thinking being able to attach to a running process on the phone without having to install the symbols on it?
[13:31] <asac> whats the current best practice to record my desktop?
[13:31] <ogra_> use your phone ;)
[13:32] <Laney> I've used kazam recently with success
[13:35] <mitya57> There is a package named recordmydesktop, I think it worked fine when I tried to use it.
[13:35] <teward> any patch pilots awake to peek at a merge debdiff and maybe sponsor it?  i heard i might need a patch pilot to assist with that.
[13:41] <caribou> When upstream provides a new major version, what should I do about the Ubuntu version ? Directly sync it to Vivid ?
[13:42] <caribou> I mean, there is no longer any delta b/w Ubuntu & Debian
[13:43] <ScottK> teward: Subscribe ubuntu-sponsors to the bug with the debdiff in it.  That'll get someone to look at it.
[13:43] <teward> ScottK: did that - been almost 3 weeks
[13:43] <teward> ... with no movement
[13:43] <ScottK> Sometimes it goes like that.
[13:44] <ScottK> caribou: If the new version is in Debian and there's no remaining Ubuntu delta, yes.  It should be synced.
[13:45] <caribou> ScottK: yes that's the case (I maintain both debian & Ubuntu)
[13:45] <ScottK> caribou: Sync away then.
[13:46] <caribou> ScottK: any place to look to learn how it is done ?
[13:46] <caribou> first time I have to do it since I got PPU for that package
[13:53] <caribou> nm, I found it
[13:54] <caribou> ScottK: and what happens to the merge request on Merge-O-Matic ?
[14:00] <ScottK> caribou: Once the sync is done, it'll go away.
[14:00] <caribou> ScottK: ah, ok thanks
[14:05] <pitti> mvo: I suppose we want https://tracker.debian.org/news/585559 now? (new perl is already in vivid)
[14:06] <pitti> mvo: you are TIL, but I'm happy to merge it
[14:06] <pitti> (if you want)
[14:06] <mvo> pitti: cool, yes. go for it, I'm super busy
[14:06] <pitti> mvo: yeah, thought so :)
[14:06] <mvo> pitti: but its getting better :)
[14:07] <mvo> pitti: just don't make my image bigger ;)
[14:07] <davidak2> hello. i think i found a bug in ubuntu 14.04
[14:07] <davidak2> installed nginx from repo, it don't start at boot
[14:07] <pitti> mvo: well, that's now the proper fix for tha
[14:07] <pitti> t
[14:07] <davidak2>    /etc/rc3.d/S20nginx -> ../init.d/nginx
[14:08] <mvo> pitti: yeah
[14:08] <davidak2> if it is /etc/rc3.d/S21nginx it will work
[14:08] <mvo> pitti: how is it done (I'm curious), did all the required stuff move into perl-base?
[14:09] <pitti> mvo: https://tracker.debian.org/news/585385
[14:09] <davidak2> i think postfix, rsync, screen-cleanup or sysstat is a dependency and must start first
[14:09] <davidak2> where does the 20 come from?
[14:09] <mvo> ta
[14:10] <davidak2> maybe i can fix it but it would be my first time contributing to ubuntu and don't know what repository and how is the workflow
[14:18] <stgraber> pitti: there is
[14:19] <pitti> stgraber: mdeslaur already pointed to bug 1244635, that pretty much answers it
[14:19] <stgraber> right, that's why
[14:27] <caribou> ScottK: ok, before I go and make a big mistake (I hate the --force options) I suppose that it is normal to use --force since I'm overriding the ubuntu specific changes that are now in the new version
[14:27] <ScottK> caribou: That's normal if you're overriding changes.
[14:28] <caribou> ScottK: yes and I've just re-confirmed that everything ubuntu specific in 3.1 is now in 3.2
[14:28] <ScottK> Then go for it.
[14:28] <caribou> otherwise I'll blame the other schizophrenic side of me who is the debian maintainer
[14:28] <ScottK> Worst case it needs another upload later to add something back and that's not a big deal.
[14:31] <davidak2> isn't this the right place for my question?
[14:34] <caribou> davidak2: http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/fixing-a-bug.html is a good start
[14:37] <caribou> davidak2: but that describes UDD which is not frequently used in fixing bugs on stable releases
[14:39] <caribou> davidak2: but I would say that the first thing to do is to create a bug that will describe the issue & how you think it can be fixed
[14:46] <davidak2> caribou: thanks.
[15:53] <pitti> bdmurray: libnih ddebs are all on http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/main/libn/libnih/ except for i386, as that FTBFSed: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libnih/1.0.3-4ubuntu27/+build/6576097
[15:53] <pitti> bdmurray: I retried the build, hoping for/looks like an unstable test
[15:55] <pitti> bdmurray: Mir seems complete? http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/main/m/mir/
[15:55] <bdmurray> pitti: yeah, the armhf one just was slow to appear
[15:57] <pitti> bdmurray: about libudev1-dbgsym: "libudev1 has no unstripped objects, ignoring"
[15:57] <pitti> bdmurray: that's surprising indeed, I'll create a bug to check that
[15:58] <didrocks> jodh: hey, not sure if you noticed, but I've enhanced a little bit your detect upstart script to tell which packages contain upstart session jobs only (and we will only check for events in them, but won't convert them this cycle to systemd). I've run it and the output is http://people.canonical.com/~didrocks/systemd/packages-to-convert/2014-11-20.txt
[15:59] <pitti> bdmurray: filed bug 1394627
[15:59] <didrocks> jodh: my branch is at lp:~didrocks/+junk/separate-upstart-session-system if you want to give it a look and eventually pull the extra commit :)
[16:00] <bdmurray> pitti: thanks
[16:00] <jodh> didrocks: yes, thanks. maybe you could merge your changes into lp:~ubuntu-foundations-team/+junk/migration-to-systemd (or raise MP)?
[16:03] <didrocks> jodh: IIRC, you can't propose for merging into a +junk/ branch
[16:03] <Riddell> jdstrand: patches for your pleasure on bug 1393479
[16:03] <jodh> didrocks: ok, didn't know that - patch? :)
[16:04] <didrocks> jodh: hopefully, I just made it one commit, so easy for you to pull/push: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~didrocks/+junk/separate-upstart-session-system/revision/7 :)
[16:04] <jdstrand> Riddell: thanks! I'm going to point mdeslaur at those since he is on community this week, but he may reassign
[16:12] <jodh> didrocks: thanks - merged and re-run for http://people.canonical.com/~jhunt/systemd/packages-to-convert/2014-11-20.txt
[16:12] <didrocks> jodh: nice, thanks! :)
[16:16] <ah> Hi. I'm wondering if anyone knows the status of migrating to bluez5 in ubuntu. As I understood it the main reason to hold back a while ago was because of bluetooth headset support. As I understand it now, this will be adressed with the upcoming pulseaudio release. Does anyone here know if there has been any discussions about going ahead with bluez5 some time in the future? (Sorry for being so out of touch
[16:16] <ah>  with whats ...
[16:16] <ah> ... happening in ubuntu.)
[16:17] <didrocks> ah: we discussed it at least UOS, you can see the hangout video here: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22332/update-to-bluez-5/
[16:17] <ah> didrocks: thanks. will check it out.
[16:18] <didrocks> ah: yw, you have a blueprint to track the progress: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-v-bluez5
[16:55] <bdmurray> zul: your upload of keystone to utopic proposed contains some extraneous changes, well I think at least you don't want to change the Vcs information. https://launchpadlibrarian.net/190573428/keystone_1%3A2014.2-0ubuntu1_1%3A2014.2-0ubuntu2.diff.gz
[16:57] <bdmurray> zul: and the related bug could use some updating for the SRU
[17:05] <zul> bdmurray:  reject it please
[18:23] <jdstrand> hallyn, arges, rharper: hey, did you guys see backscroll? I was able to upload a corrupted image last night: https://chinstrap.canonical.com/~jamie/lp1292234/
[18:24] <rharper> jdstrand: yeah, thanks!
[18:24] <jdstrand> it is curiously way smaller compressed than the other
[18:24] <jdstrand> but uncompressed it is the same size
[18:24] <rharper> mmmm zeros
[18:24] <jdstrand> rharper: cool
[18:24] <jdstrand> hopefully that will shed some light on it
[18:24] <rharper> jdstrand: du reports the same allocation ?
[18:25] <jdstrand> well, if I uncompress and use file, it tells me it is the same
[18:26] <jdstrand> QEMU QCOW Image (v2),<PHONE_NUMBER> bytes
[18:26] <jdstrand> that is corrupted ^
[18:26] <jdstrand> QEMU QCOW Image (v2),<PHONE_NUMBER> bytes
[18:26] <jdstrand> that is uncorrupted ^
[18:27] <jdstrand> qemu-img shows that the uncorrupted doesn't have a pristine snapshot. that should be correct
[18:28] <jdstrand> so, the 'disk size' is bigger with corrupted
[18:28] <jdstrand> (since it has an internal snapshot, that makes sense)
[18:28] <arges> jdstrand:oh awesome
[18:28] <jdstrand> but yean. going from 1.2G compressed to 104M, something is not right
[18:29] <jdstrand> yeah*
[18:29] <arges> jdstrand: i'll look at it after lunch
[18:31] <jdstrand> arges: one nice thing about it being smaller-- it is faster to download while at the sprint :)
[18:31] <jdstrand> arges: thanks!
[18:34] <jdstrand> rharper, arges, hallyn: oh, this came up before and might be helpful: sarnold and I both are using ext3 where the qcow2 are stored. I know there were some extant bugs with qcow2s that hallyn pointed us at, but I read the reports and commits and didn't think those fixes would tix our issue
[18:34] <jdstrand> that said, if you as experts thought otherwise, I'd be happy to try other things
[18:36] <jdstrand> sarnold: can you confirm I am remembering your system correctly?
[19:05] <bdmurray> chiluk: don't you men nfsv3 in the impact part of bug 1391662?
[19:05] <bdmurray> s/men/mean/
[19:23] <sarnold> arges,hallyn,jdstrand, I am using ext3 on my laptop where I've had the qcow2 corruption
[19:40] <chiluk> bdmurray, checking..
[19:40] <chiluk> bdmurray, correct... fixed
[19:51] <arges> sarnold: jdstrand good to know
[20:13] <chiluk> thanks bdmurray


 :D
[17:44] <Kilos> lol
[17:45] <pavlushka> so we are making a great noise here, \o/
[17:45] <Kilos> hi abhra NaSb
[17:45] <zaki> may be. :D
[17:46] <Kilos> QA wb
[17:46] <QA> Thank you so much Kilos my good friend
[17:47] <zaki> QA wb
[17:47] <QA> Thank you so much zaki my good friend
[17:47] <zaki> :D
[17:47] <zaki> pavlushka, doing what?
[17:48] <pavlushka> nothing, just chilling, ;)
[17:49] <zaki> and Kilos ?
[17:50] <Kilos> im trying to catch up with emails and monitor 14 channels
[17:50] <zaki> most busy man. :P
[17:51] <Kilos> i miss half of everything that happens anyway
[17:51] <pavlushka> yeah, Kilos is a very busy man on IRC, it is his working desk, thumbs up:
[17:51] <zaki> ha ha.
[17:52] <Kilos> there is another channel where they could be having that meeting tomorrow pavlushka
[17:52] <Kilos> #ubuntu-uos-overflow
[17:52] <pavlushka> which one?\
[17:52] <pavlushka> copy
[17:53] <zaki> what about?
[17:53] <Kilos> get all beginners to login for that meeting lets hear what comes up
[17:53] <Kilos> im not sure what belkie is planning
[17:53] <pavlushka> lol, we can grab popey there, giggles!
[17:54] <pavlushka> Kilos, you and me, :p
[17:54] <Kilos> dont annoy him
[17:54] <pavlushka> Kilos, are you mad, I am just kidding.
[17:54] <Kilos> i have already argued with him for 3 weeks to get the 8.00pm timeslot for membership meetings
[17:55] <pavlushka> lol
[17:55] <Kilos> in the end he gave up
[17:55] <pavlushka> that's why, :p
[17:55] <Kilos> lol
[17:56] <zaki> :|
[17:56] <pavlushka> join us there at #ubuntu-uos-overflow
[17:56] <pavlushka> zaki ??
[17:56] <Kilos> and he is at canonical and in councils so we got to keep him happy
[17:57] <zaki> oky.. when?
[17:57] <Kilos> tomorrow at 14.to 16.00 utc
[17:58] <Kilos> you have to +4 or +6 i think
[17:58] <Kilos> pavlushka will know
[17:58] <zaki> oky.
[17:58] <pavlushka> zaki, that means to our time 8.00 pm to 10.00 pm
[17:58] <Kilos> get NaSb to join as well
[17:59] <zaki> oky roger that.
[17:59] <pavlushka> zaki, who's roger?
[17:59] <Kilos> haha
[17:59] <Kilos> roger = ack
[17:59] <pavlushka> zaki, we'll talk about roger later
[17:59] <Kilos> ack = acknowledged
[18:00] <zaki> Roger that. Slang, usually used in radio transmissions such as military communications
[18:00] <zaki> :D :D
[18:00] <Kilos> yes and war movies
[18:00] <zaki> ha ha.
[18:00] <pavlushka> Kilos,  i means you havn't watched ice age 3, :p
[18:00] <Kilos> no
[18:01] <pavlushka> neither do you zaki?
[18:01] <Kilos> i dont see many movies. only what is on za tv and not too late
[18:01] <pavlushka> then you'll understand, I was just kidding, :p
[18:01] <zaki> nope. :|
[18:01] <Kilos> roger that
[18:01] <Kilos> or affirmative
[18:02] <zaki> i'm addicted to tv shows. :3
[18:02] <Kilos> in za they say yebo yes
[18:02] <pavlushka> I am addicted to animated movies,
[18:02] <pavlushka> and irc
[18:02] <zaki> copy that. :D
[18:03] <zaki> NaSb, tanvir
[18:04] <pavlushka> QA define roger
[18:04] <QA> pavlushka: Roger \Rog"er\, n. [From a proper name Roger.] A black flag with white skull and crossbones, formerly used by pirates; -- called also {Jolly Roger} and {pirate flag}. [Webster 1913 Suppl. +PJC], 51 Moby Thesaurus words for "Roger": OK, absolutely, all right, alright, alrighty, amen, as you say, assuredly, aye, by all means, certainly, da, exactly, fine,
[18:04] <QA> good, good enough, hear, indeed, indeedy, ja, just so, mais oui, most assuredly, nat…
[18:05] <pavlushka> zaki, you were talking about finding me on FB, and?
[18:05] <zaki> oh man, you remember that?
[18:06] <zaki> i waked up and got into ubuntu bangladesh group, than in a comment saw name pavel saikaty.   :D
[18:21] <zaki> having problem with software updater. :|
[18:22] <Kilos> what trouble?
[18:23] <zaki> it hanged every time i'm going to update.
[18:24] <Kilos> close it
[18:24] <Kilos> then update from command line
[18:24] <Kilos> sudo apt update
[18:24] <Kilos> then sudo apt upgrade
[18:25] <Kilos> if that has problems you internet isnt stable
[18:25] <pavlushka> like "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[18:26] <Kilos> i have never liked software centre, always been slow
[18:26] <Kilos> synaptic much better
[18:27] <zaki> oky.
[18:29] <pavlushka> zaki, and then do this, :p https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcegVSz4zXU
[18:31] <zaki> ha ha. :D much better. :p
[18:32] <zaki> Kilos, you can try it.


[20:01] <ibeardslee> morning
[20:52] <mwhudson> morning
[21:05] <thumper> morning mwhudson
[21:09] <ajmitch> morning
[22:56] <olly> morning