[04:17] <jbailey> doko_: ping?
[04:19] <doko_> phone ...
[04:20] <jbailey> doko_: No worries.  I'll type for now, reply when you have brainspace for it.
[04:21] <jbailey> Fabio and I were just talking about how to share some of the glibc work in a better way.  I'm going to create a team on launchpad so we can host the packaging on the supermirror.
[04:21] <jbailey> Should I create it as a "glibc" team, or a "toolchain" team?
[04:56] <doko_> well, lets call it toolchain, glibc is debian =)
[05:07] <jbailey> I'm curious what drepper would think of that statement.
[05:07] <jbailey> But alright ;)
[05:12] <jbailey> Hmm.  doko_, fabbione, infinity, me.  who else should be in here?
[05:13] <doko_> bluefoxity ;-p
[05:13] <fabbione> doko_: screw you
[05:13] <fabbione> ok.. jbailey please create the team and add people there.. together with a nice logo
[05:13] <fabbione> you want to add lamont too probably?
[05:14] <jbailey> fabbione: Done, except the nice logo.
[05:14] <jbailey> fabbione: Still got your old X one handy?
[05:14] <lamont> jbailey: feel free to add me if you haven't
[05:14] <fabbione> jbailey: which one? the one from X-men 3 or goatse.cx?
[05:14] <jbailey> lamont: Done, thanks.    "I was fired for a photo"  "A Photo?"  "Yeah, this one, (pulls it out)"  "My eyes!"
[05:18] <lamont> fabbione: how come I'm not on the kernel team?
[05:18] <fabbione> lamont: uh?
[05:18] <fabbione> jbailey: ahha
[05:18] <lamont> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-kernel-team
[05:18] <lamont> Your involvement
[05:18] <lamont> You are not a member of this team.
[05:19] <fabbione> -ENOCLUE
[05:19] <fabbione> done
[05:21] <jbailey> fabbione: How many colours are available in that bmp?
[05:22] <fabbione> no idea.. i just took a screenshot
[05:23] <jbailey> Oh, you didn't make the emblem?
[05:23] <infinity> lamont: You don't want to be on the kernel team, the bug influx in your inbox would make you sad.
[05:23] <infinity> jbailey: I'll make a nice toolchain icon when I'm bored.
[05:24] <lamont> infinity: ah - that gives me a good date to understand when I got dropped then... had been wondering why kernel-bugs was so quiet these last couple months...
[05:24] <infinity> lamont: Do you want to be on it?  I can re-add you.
[05:25] <infinity> Wait, you're there..
[05:25] <lamont> infinity: I'll debate that some more...
[05:25] <lamont> ??
[05:25] <infinity> Someone already put you back?
[05:25] <lamont> ubuntu-kernel-team?
[05:25] <infinity> Team members
[05:25] <infinity>     *   Adam Conrad
[05:25] <infinity>     * Ben Collins (Administrator)
[05:25] <infinity>     * ChuckShort
[05:25] <infinity>     * Fabio Massimo Di Nitto (Owner)
[05:25] <infinity>     * LaMont Jones
[05:25] <infinity>     * Matthew Garrett
[05:25] <lamont> yep
[05:27] <fabbione> infinity: yeah i did
[05:28] <fabbione> jbailey: no, i took goatse.cx, selected THE area and resized it
[05:28] <jbailey> Ah. =)
[05:41] <jbailey> I think I made an emblem and uploaded it.  I can no longer remember where to look for them, though.
[05:42] <fabbione> yeps
[05:42] <fabbione> but i can't understand what it is
[05:42] <fabbione> it looks like a bird?
[05:42] <jbailey> The end of a wrench that I reduced.
[05:43] <jbailey> Oh, I wonder if the CSS sheet that I have for launchpad is hiding that section of the page.
[05:43] <jbailey> I think I tweaked it to remove things that I just *never* care about seeing.
[05:43] <fabbione> i look at my personal page to see the emblem
[05:49] <jbailey> Ah, yeah.  The two boxes on the right are killed with the CSS template.
[05:49] <jbailey> Bugger.  I should ask for a div around those emblems just so I can get them put somewhere else on the page for me. =)
[05:50] <Keybuk> jbailey: use greasemonkey to rearrange them
[05:51] <jbailey> Keybuk: Don't they need a div around them or something in order to manipulate them in the first place though?
[05:51] <jbailey> Or do they already have it?
[05:51] <Keybuk> jbailey: they have one around each box
[05:51] <Keybuk> so you can grab the box as an item and stick it elsewhere in the page
[05:51] <Keybuk> (ie. reorder the boxes)
[05:52] <jbailey> Right, I'm thinking kill the surrounding blue box, keep the emblems. =)
[06:09] <infinity> jbailey: Emblem replaced with something with a transparent background and better pixel art. :)
[06:10] <fabbione> infinity: much better :)
[06:12] <jbailey> infinity: *lol*  Thanks. =)
[06:31] <doko_> infinity: heh, the hammer was already taken ;)


[09:21] <dholbach> good morning
[10:22] <dholbach> bah
[10:22] <dholbach> the poll sucks
[10:22] <dholbach> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-ngo/+poll/ubuntu-ngo-slogan/+vote-simple doesn't say anything :-((((
[10:23] <dholbach> why did I type in the whole text in the other field then?
[10:23] <dholbach> narf narf narf
[10:24] <dholbach> I'll set up a new one
[10:24] <czajkowski> just tryihng to vote
[10:25] <dholbach> theory-practice-2  doesn'T really say much
[10:25] <dholbach> polls are the worst part of launchpad
[10:26] <czajkowski> aye they could be a lot more friendlier
[10:27] <dholbach> let's hope my second try works out better
[10:28] <czajkowski> :)
[10:28] <czajkowski> dholbach: how's you?
[10:28] <dholbach> generally great
[10:28] <dholbach> working from Michael Nelson's place (noodles, Launchpad guy) today
[10:29] <czajkowski> oh you just poke him so re launchpad so :)
[10:29] <czajkowski> launchpad co0uld be a lot more useful
[10:31] <dholbach> I'm sure he's busy enough as it is :)


[09:38] <Laney> yeah I gave up and went back to a lucid container :P
[09:40] <lifeless> :P
[09:44] <wgrant> Things seem to be a lot smoother with a fresh late-Precise-generated Lucid container
[16:02] <alexh> hi
[16:03] <jelmer> hi alexh
[16:03] <alexh> any hints on why the bug activity API returns an empty entries set but a non-zero total_size?
[16:03] <alexh> e.g. https://api.launchpad.net/1.0/bugs/123920/activity
[16:03] <_mup_> Bug #123920: Bluetooth Logitech Dinovo Keyboard/Mouse don't work <cft-2.6.27> <iso-testing> <linux-source-2.6.22> <metabug> <patch> <Bluez-utils:New> <bluez (Ubuntu):Triaged> <linux (Ubuntu):Invalid> <linux-source-2.6.22 (Ubuntu):Won't Fix> <udev (Ubuntu):Invalid> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/123920 >
[16:05] <alexh> happens with every bug I've tried, not just that one, fwiw
[18:53] <Laney> Is there a make harness that lets me do doctest stuff?
[18:57] <Laney> (or, what do I import to get that stuff?)
[19:22] <lifeless> Laney: what do you mean?
[19:26] <Laney> I'm trying to make a doctest and it'd be good to be able to test this interactively
[19:26] <Laney> but I don't know what to import into the harness repl to get those functions
[19:26] <Laney> it doesn't really matter; I'm feeling it out without this.
[19:29] <lifeless> ah
[19:30] <lifeless> so we consider doctests one step up from the spawn of evil
[19:30] <lifeless> you might like to not make one
[19:30] <Laney> yeah?
[19:30] <Laney> I thought they were the way to test UI changes
[19:30] <lifeless> yah
[19:30] <lifeless> very much deprecated
[19:30] <lifeless> having testable *documentation* is still good, and if you are writing docs you expect folk to read, feel free to make them a doctest
[19:31] <lifeless> but such are not replacements for unit tests or integration tests
[19:48] <cjwatson> Laney: unfortunately the codebase is not always a good indicator of modern practice :-/
[19:49] <cjwatson> another approach is: make your test fast enough that instead of running things interactively in a harness, you can just repeatedly run the test
[19:50] <Laney> cjwatson: I don't know how to test the UI then :P (unless I am misusing the terminology and interactive tests are something different from doctests)
[19:51] <Laney> the reason I want to use the harness is because I don't really have a view of the test interfaces yet so it's most efficient to just be able to bash on stuff
[19:51] <Laney> fyi, the file I am proposing to edit is lib/lp/soyuz/stories/soyuz/xx-distributionsourcepackagerelease-pages.txt
[19:51] <cjwatson> doctests are noninteractive
[19:52] <Laney> the repl-style tests I mean
[19:52] <cjwatson> well, anything you can do in that can be recast as a unit test fairly straightforwardly
[19:53] <cjwatson> just a matter of learning the various self.assert* helpers
[19:53] <Laney> indeed. I just thought these were the way that UI tests were done.
[20:05] <lifeless> so a UI test could mean:
[20:05] <lifeless>  - JS tests
[20:05] <lifeless>  - html content checking
[20:05] <lifeless>  - non-ajax form checking
[20:05] <lifeless>  - ajax integration test
[20:06] <lifeless> perhaps a better question is, what change are you making ?
[20:06] <lifeless> also, morning all
[20:06] <lifeless> bbiab, shopping run
[22:22] <mwhudson> lifeless: did you see http://cortesi.github.com/pathod/
[22:23] <lifeless> no, looking
[22:23] <lifeless> nice
[22:23] <lifeless> fault injection test server. woot.
[22:25] <lifeless> nice - 200@100k,ascii_letters
[22:34] <wgrant> alexh: You're unauthenticated.


[17:07] <pavlushka> Hello Tuhin , long time :)
[17:08] <Tuhin> hello
[17:08] <Tuhin> Eid Mubarak
[17:08] <Tuhin> how is everything
[17:14] <pavlushka> Tuhin: Eid Mubarak, everything is everything :p


[00:47] <lotuspsychje> morning
[07:11] <bzoltan> ogra_: rsalveti: pong
[07:12] <bzoltan> ogra_: rsalveti: I mean ping (why on Earth the i is next to o)
[08:04] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday and happy Shark Awareness Day! :-D
[08:43] <matv1> I want to report a (minor) bug in the osk but it is not general. Its app related. against what should I report it?
[10:03] <cwayne> huh, latest devel-proposed just shows me a blank screen
[10:11] <mandel> ogra_, you, that are wiser, any idea how to know if my phone is charging or just dead??
[10:12] <mandel> ogra_, I think I manage to screw the hw by compiling too much :-/
[10:13] <cwayne> mandel: i once had to leave my n4 plugged into the wall for 2 days until it powered back on
[10:13] <mandel> cwayne, really?? lord.. and hw people complain about us!
[10:13] <mandel> at least my software can be restarted!
[10:13] <cwayne> i know right?! :)
[10:14] <cwayne> it was funny, i'd even gotten the replacement from google all set up
[10:14] <cwayne> and it finally turned back on like nothing happened
[10:14] <cwayne> lol
[10:17] <mandel> cwayne, well.. is going to be hard testing things today :-/
[10:17] <ogra_> mandel, what are the symptoms ?
[10:18] <mandel> ogra_, I was compiling then I got disconnected (I was using phablet-shell). I have plug it to the wall and I see no led no nothing, if I try to turn it on nothing happens
[10:18] <mandel> ogra_, it was really hot while compiling
[10:19] <mandel> and I've tried diff sockets and diff usb cables
[10:19] <ogra_> try holding the power button for a really long time
[10:19] <ogra_> (and use the wall plug indeed)
[10:20] <mandel> ogra_, any adaptor recommended?
[10:20] <mandel> ogra_, I have a 5V one, is that good?
[10:21] <ogra_> mandel, well, 5V and as many amps as you can get
[10:21]  * ogra_ uses a 2.5A one here
[10:21] <mandel> ogra_, I have a 2A I think, the ones from the old nexus 7
[10:22] <ogra_> sounds good
[10:57] <cwayne> 129 seems super broken, get a busted welcome wizard on boot, anyone else seen this?
[10:57] <ogra_> busted ?
[11:01] <cwayne> ogra_: completely blank
[11:01] <ogra_> wow
[11:02] <ogra_> we had hangs and broken OSK with it ... thats a new one
[11:02] <cwayne> on a fresh flash
[11:02] <cwayne> i believe john-mcaleely saw it as well ^
[11:03] <john-mcaleely> cwayne, I did indeed ogra_
[11:03] <john-mcaleely> clean flashed device
[11:12] <cwayne> ogra_: btw any chance of landing that lightdm override today?  Figured I should ask while you're happy :D
[11:12] <ogra_> lol
[11:12] <ogra_> cwayne, i thought you are a lander now
[11:17] <matv1> is failing mms a known bug? i cant really tell on LP? and isnt mentioned in the last landing mails
[11:18] <ogra_> matv1, theoretically it should work ... sergiusens might know if there are open bugs
[11:19] <cwayne> ogra_: oh yeah.. but i didn't wanna get in anyone elses way (I know you'd been doing work on ubuntu-touch-session earlier)
[11:21] <matv1> ok thnx
[11:23] <matv1> i also have a small osk bug but it is limited to one app afaiks. to what should i report that? the app in question?
[11:30] <ogra_> matv1, depends on the app ... is it a native app ?
[11:31] <matv1> as oposed to html5 you mean?
[11:31] <matv1> its google maps
[11:31] <matv1> so no
[11:31] <ogra_> then file it against the webbrowser-app (with mentioning webapp-container in the description)
[11:32] <matv1> will do
[11:46] <bzoltan> mvo_: hi, do you know if installing .click on the desktop is expected to work?
[11:46] <popey> bzoltan: it works in that it installs to /opt, but with no confinement
[11:46] <bzoltan> popey:  how to do that?
[11:46] <mvo_> bzoltan: sort of, see https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/development-1406-click-ftd for the status
[11:47] <mvo_> bzoltan: what package are you trying to install? I assume latest utopic?
[11:47] <bzoltan> mvo_: any kind of package, a simple qml app for example. yes, on utopic
[11:48] <mhr3_> mardy, where can i see some online accounts logs? having trouble adding u1 account
[11:49] <mvo_> bzoltan: just give it a go with "pkcon install-local foo.click"
[11:49] <bzoltan> mvo_:  that fails with "Failed to contact PackageKit: Error calling StartServiceByName for org.freedesktop.PackageKit: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.TimedOut: Activation of org.freedesktop.PackageKit timed out"
[11:50] <mvo_> bzoltan: ok, give me a sec to check the status
[11:50] <mvo_> bzoltan: could you please install packagekit-plugin-click for a start?
[11:51] <bzoltan> mvo_: ok
[11:51] <mvo_> bzoltan: and remove python3-aptdaemon.pkcompat please
[11:52] <mvo_> bzoltan: or actually, please install unity8-desktop-session-mir
[11:52] <mvo_> bzoltan: that should have the dependencies you need
[11:52] <bzoltan> mvo_:  it removes the packagekit-tools python3-aptdaemon.pkcompat unity-scope-click packages
[11:53] <bzoltan> mvo_:  if that messes up my desktop I will buy you a flight ticket to Helsinki and you come over to fix my desktop :D
[11:53] <mvo_> bzoltan: haha, I guess ssh will be enough
[11:53] <mvo_> bzoltan: but you could simply try it in a container/vm first :P
[11:53] <mvo_> (less expensive :)
[11:55] <bzoltan> mvo_: should I have the packagekit-tools installed?
[11:56] <mvo_> bzoltan: once you install the real packagekit (instead of the pkcompat stuff) you can simply reinstall them again
[11:56] <bzoltan> mvo_:  all right... now I can install .click packages
[11:57] <bzoltan> mvo_: i wonder what happens with my env after the next reboot
[11:58] <mvo_> bzoltan: if you are uncertain, please mail me you /var/log/apt/history.log (or the latest few sections )
[11:58] <mvo_> bzoltan: but it should not harm if you just replaced the pkcompat with pacakgekit and installed the click plugin
[12:00] <bzoltan> mvo_: no harm :) thanks
[12:01] <bzoltan> mvo_: i was asking this because dholbach filed this request -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/+bug/1255521
[12:02] <bzoltan> mvo_: it does make sense, but I do not think it will be possible to backport to Trusty
[12:05]  * mvo_ nods
[12:18] <bzoltan> mvo_:  At some point we will need the .click installation on the LTS super desperately. The lTS is here for 5 years. The day will come when I can not backport Qt, QtCreator or anything what is needed for the latest SDK... so delivering the whole SDK in a confined ubuntu-sdk.click package is something what will be required.
[12:18] <bzoltan> mvo_:  i know it sounds crazy :)
[12:21] <popey> bzoltan: we're backporting sdk to 14.04 now?
[12:21] <popey> I have heard yes/no/yes/no/yes/no over the last month or two
[12:21] <popey> would be nice to have a final commitment
[12:24] <mvo_> bzoltan: I understand, I don't think its cazy at all. we can always use debs in the same way as clicks if needed, i.e. just bundle it all in one huge ubuntu-sdk deb (I'm hand-waving a bit here as there are some details to work out how the sdk find its own private qt instead of the system qt etc). but its approximatly what would have to be done for a click sdk as well :)
[12:24] <bzoltan> popey: :) I think many people are confused with the term "SDK" ... The tools, so the QtCreator and its plugins with the click and phablet-tools are continously backported to Trusty. i spend significant part of my time on backporting and testing the SDK tools for Trusty. What we do not backport to Trusty is the API set. The last UITK package for example was release on 22nd of May and I will not ever push a new UITK package to the SDK PPA,
[12:25] <bzoltan> popey:  so tools we backport, runtimes not.
[12:27] <sergiusens> ogra_: he left?
[12:27] <ogra_> sergiusens, look like
[12:27] <popey> why bother backporting the tools if you can't run the apps you create, because you're missing the libs?
[12:27] <ogra_> *looks
[12:27] <bzoltan> mvo_: the SDK can find its own private Qt if it is built against a private one... not a big deal. I have started to work with the Qt5.0 pre-alpha and back then I created packages what installed under the /opt/ that worked out pretty well. All it requires a full rebuild of the whole SDK stack. Takes few days of hacking the packages.
[12:27] <sergiusens> ogra_: fwiw, sending doesn't work as uploads don't work ;-)
[12:27] <ogra_> ah
[12:27] <ogra_> i thought tha was fixed
[12:27] <sergiusens> ogra_: I wish
[12:27] <ogra_> :)
[12:29] <bzoltan> popey: good question... As much as the  LTS is target for application developer we have APIs and the apps do work. But the developers should not expect APIs released in 14.10 to be available in 14.04
[12:31] <bzoltan> popey: That is a very fundamental issue... i have discussed it with many people. We have a horizontal convergence story for form factors, but not vertical for different releases.
[12:32] <bzoltan> popey:  So if we have a super cool and new API what is based on a service what is available in 16.04 than this API will not be available in 14.04. Simple because the service can not be backported.
[12:32] <ogra_> bzoltan, use lxc conatiners to run the apps then
[12:32] <bzoltan> ogra_:  something like that
[12:33] <popey> fun.
[12:33] <bzoltan> ogra_:  what I would expect is actually a real emulator ... like the phone emulator
[12:33] <ogra_> that will be a lot overhead
[12:34] <bzoltan> popey: I know it sounds provocative :)  but you do not expect an android app to  run on a windows desktop just because the android SDK is running on windows. From this point the diff between 14.04 and 18.04 could be as much.
[12:36] <bzoltan> ogra_: I mean from the point of UI ... the dev opens the IDE, creates and app and chooses the target framework. All the devices supporting that fw should be available as emulators. For scopes development it is pretty serious topic right now.
[12:36] <t1mp> bzoltan: latest UITK still works fine on trusty
[12:36] <bzoltan> t1mp: I know ... but i am not allowed to push it to the SDK PPA
[12:37] <t1mp> oh.. ok :s
[12:37] <ogra_> bzoltan, well, it will be slow and have much overhead to use a full VM ... vs just a container
[12:37] <bzoltan> t1mp: but anybody is free to set up a community PPA with the backports of the APIs.
[12:37] <t1mp> well it works, doesn't mean it cannot suddenly stop working if we need to use a new feature of qt53 or something that is only available in utopic
[12:38] <bzoltan> ogra_:  a container is fine as long it looks and works the same as the real OS. Like full blown shell with indicators and services...
[12:38] <bzoltan> t1mp: yeps... it is not about technical challenges, but more about commitment to to real support.
[12:38] <ogra_> what makes oyu think an emulator will work like the real device :)
[12:39] <ogra_> you might be able to fake the resolution ... but thats something you can do with a container too
[12:39] <bzoltan> ogra_: :D well... i know very well that it will not as it does not do it right now
[12:39] <t1mp> ogra_: what makes you think that a desktop with 14.04 will work like a real device?
[12:40] <ogra_> t1mp, nothing ... thats my point, only a real device will behave like one ... if you emulate anyway take the less demanding emulation
[12:40] <t1mp> ogra_: as soon as we start using a qt5.3-specific feature, everything will break on 14.04
[12:41] <t1mp> it is all a matter of how we want to use our resources.. I'm glad I don't have to make the decisions ;)
[12:41] <ogra_> t1mp, thats why you use a 14.10 container to run your stuff ;)
[12:42] <ogra_> or rather a "$framework container" :)
[12:43] <t1mp> they are all just different (levels of) VMs for me, I don't know what's better in this case
[12:43] <bzoltan> ogra_:  I am happy with any container as long 1) it is possible  to set up with a single click 2) it looks like a real OS and simulates as much service as technically possible and 3) it is possible to deploy apps and scopes and other development projects we promise to support.
[12:44] <ogra_> a container just uses your system HW while a VM emulates an actual machine
[12:47] <cyphermox_> slangasek: sounds like something that again should have been "fixed", or at least made much more unlikely to happen with the last urfkill upload, so starting with image 123 in devel-proposed IIRC
[12:50] <ogra_> cyphermox_, well, there was a user reporting connection issues afrer upgrading to #128 (witho both, WWAN and WLAN)
[12:50] <cyphermox_> ogra_: which bug?
[12:50] <ogra_> (teh last urfkill landed in 127)
[12:51] <cyphermox_> without a bug, and logs, it could be anything really
[12:51] <ogra_> cyphermox_, no bug, just a feedback mail on the ML
[12:51] <cyphermox_> ogra_: yeah
[12:51] <ogra_> and no further answers to the mail ... might be a red herring but still something to keep an eye open for
[12:52] <cyphermox_> ogra_: yeah
[12:55] <phillip> hi, would be great if someone can help me finding "Nach Netzwerken wird gesucht..." on the phone. I would like to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/1327318 but I dont know where to change it, thanks.
[12:57] <ogra_> Wellark, can you help phillip ?
[13:11] <alecu> boiko: ping. I've been asked by design about renaming the icon title of the Dialer app to "Phone"
[13:12] <alecu> boiko: I'll fwd you the mails
[13:12] <boiko> alecu: you mean the name that appears on launcher and lens?
[13:13] <alecu> boiko: exactly that, yes.
[13:13] <boiko> alecu: are you going to work on that or do you want me to change that?
[13:14] <alecu> boiko: I don't know anything about how you guys release that app, so I'd prefer if you do it :-)
[13:15] <boiko> alecu: that's fine. would you mind reporting a bug requesting that?
[13:15] <alecu> boiko: sure
[13:15] <boiko> alecu: thanks!
[13:17] <alecu> boiko: https://bugs.launchpad.net/dialer-app/+bug/1341570
[13:18] <cwayne> alecu: btw, saw the 6 pinned apps in latest devel-proposed.. guess it's time for me to customize :)
[13:19] <alecu> cwayne: yay! Let me know if you need any info for that, and please let me know how I can try one of your customized images.
[13:19] <cwayne> alecu: i think the only info I'd need is whats the dconf key that's used
[13:19] <cwayne> although Im sure i could find it pretty easily
[13:20] <cwayne> as for how to try it:  ubuntu-device-flash --channel devel-customized :)
[13:21] <alecu> yay
[13:21] <alecu> cwayne: the dconf key is shown in this MP, around line 100: https://code.launchpad.net/~stolowski/unity-scope-click/header-apps/+merge/225844
[13:22] <cwayne> alecu: perfect, and then its a list of "application:///app-name"?
[13:24] <alecu> cwayne: actually, it's a list of click package names, or in the case of non-click packaged apps, it's the .desktop file name (without the .desktop extension). The default list is on line 237 of the MP
[13:24] <cwayne> ah, perfect, thanks :)
[13:25] <alecu> cwayne: though, re-reading this gives me some pause. Let me check with pstolowski if we should be using packagename_appid instead of just packagename
[13:25] <cwayne> alecu: ack
[13:26] <alecu> pstolowski: let's discuss that ^ on our standup
[13:30] <pstolowski> alecu, ok
[13:45] <rickspencer3> popey, on the bus this morning I noticed that songs weren't advancing in the music player when the screen was locked
[13:45] <rickspencer3> is this a known regression, shall I log a bug?
[13:50] <Aki-Thinkpad> Any official hardware for sale yet?
[13:52] <popey> rickspencer3: yes please!
[13:52] <rickspencer3> dang it :)
[13:53] <popey> Aki-Thinkpad: you'll know when it is
[13:54] <rickspencer3> popey, what's the best way to log the bug? $ubuntu-bug music-app from a shell?
[13:55] <popey> ya
[13:55] <Aki-Thinkpad> popey, got the inside scoop?
[13:55] <popey> Aki-Thinkpad: yeah, don't tell anyone, but there will be two phones available later in the year...
[13:56] <popey> rickspencer3: we landed a new music app in the store today, so maybe try with that too..
[13:57] <Aki-Thinkpad> popey, Oh go make another driving video.
[13:57] <popey> OK!
[13:57]  * Aki-Thinkpad grumbles
[13:58]  * rickspencer3 updates apps
[14:04] <rickspencer3> popey, so, I tested it with the new music app
[14:04] <rickspencer3> it advanced but was choppy
[14:04] <rickspencer3> I'll log that bug
[14:14] <Wellark> phillip: where are you seeing this string and on what device?
[14:35] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, should I see something on the services screen? its blank for me
[14:35] <pmcgowan> phone>services
[14:36] <kenvandine> you should
[14:37] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, do you have a sim in?
[14:37] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, yes
[14:37] <pmcgowan> ATT
[14:38] <kenvandine> with my t-mobile SIM, i see "411 & more", "Customer Care" and "Voice Mail"
[14:38] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, one sec
[14:40] <kenvandine> pmcgowan,  run /usr/share/ofono/scripts/list-modems
[14:40] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, near the end, you should see org.ofono.SimManager
[14:41] <kenvandine> which includes ServiceNumbers
[14:41] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, yep, none there
[14:42] <kenvandine> ok, so the code works :)
[14:42] <kenvandine> not sure if there's an ofono problem...
[14:42] <pmcgowan> right
[14:42] <kenvandine> or if your sim really has none set
[14:42] <pmcgowan> seems odd
[14:42] <pmcgowan> I will poke around a file a bug if need be
[14:43] <kenvandine> ok, file it against ofono
[14:43] <kenvandine> but, maybe we need to improve setting stoo
[14:43] <kenvandine> s/stoo/too
[14:43] <kenvandine> so make it affect uss also
[14:43] <kenvandine> we should provide something other than an empty page :)
[14:44] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, and maybe ask awe if there is a way to confirm if your SIM really has none
[14:44]  * kenvandine knows nothing about that stuff
[14:49] <jgdx> piiramar, could you try reproducing this bug #1334802 using the new details? It seems it's only reproducable using 'any'.
[14:49]  * jgdx appends syslog
[14:58] <om26er> Is there a way to force device to deep sleep with usb cable connected ?
[14:59] <ogra_> i dont think so
[15:02] <om26er> thought so :/
[15:05] <nik90_> charles: hey, I wanted to bring another bug regarding the alarm snap decision to your attention. Bug 1324580
[15:06] <nik90_> charles: please raise its priority since it is rather important that the alarm doesn't stop ringing after a minute and also is dismissed on pressing the button in the snap decision
[15:06] <charles> nik90_, in  meeting now, will look atfer the meeting
[15:06] <pmcgowan> om26er, only if you lose the usb connection, cause thats whats keeping it awake
[15:07] <nik90_> charles: np
[15:07] <pmcgowan> awe_,  hey, I am not getting any ServiceNumbers reported, is there a way to check if thats correct at ofono layer?
[15:08] <awe_> pmcgowan, I'm in a mtg; get back to you in a bit
[15:08] <om26er> pmcgowan, heh yes :) we kind of needed that the other way to automate a user experience to be run in the lab.
[15:09] <jgdx> pmcgowan, also seeing blank "phone" page
[15:14] <pmcgowan> jgdx, MP in process to fix
[15:14] <anpok> hm camera on nexus4 stopped working today.. using devel-proposed from tue/wed last week, showing only black background with controls on top. After some days of working.
[15:14] <captainskyhawk> Hey, everyone -- flashed by Nexus 7 2013 with the command "ubuntu-device-flash --channel=devel --bootstrap", but instead of rebooting into Ubuntu, it just goes back to the recovery
[15:14] <anpok> are there any logs I could look for errors?
[15:14] <jgdx> pmcgowan, ack
[15:15] <captainskyhawk> After rebooting, it just sits on the screen that says "Google" with the unlock icon
[15:15] <captainskyhawk> Tried searching on google, couldn't find much for the 2013 nexus 7
[15:17] <awe_> pmcgowan, service-number should work fine at the ofono layer.  'list-modems' can be used to examine them.
[15:18] <awe_> pmcgowan, that said, we have no mechanism to make them visible to the user
[15:18] <awe_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/address-book-app/+bug/1337189
[15:19] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, it is the new field, its looking for serial number
[15:19] <pmcgowan> awe_, we do now
[15:20] <pmcgowan> awe_, I see none in list-modems, so its safe to assume none are defined? that seems odd but who knows
[15:20] <awe_> which is?
[15:20] <pmcgowan> sim services on the phone page in system settings
[15:20] <kenvandine> awe_,  ServiceNumbers in org.ofono.SimManager is empty
[15:20] <kenvandine> for pmcgowan
[15:20] <awe_> if you see none from list-modems, it's safe to assume none are defined
[15:21] <kenvandine> works for me
[15:21] <kenvandine> yeah
[15:21] <pmcgowan> ok
[15:21] <kenvandine> i figured, didn't know if maybe it was an ofono bug
[15:21] <captainskyhawk> That's cool, I can hook up my nexus 7 and do a "adb shell" to it, and access some sort of filesystem, but it's not doing anything else with Ubuntu touch
[15:21] <awe_> can one of you guys comment on the above bug and/or more it to ubuntu-system-settings package?
[15:21] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, perhaps we should explicitly say "None defined" or something
[15:21] <kenvandine> yeah
[15:22] <Stskeeps>  /g bijjal
[15:22] <pmcgowan> awe_, which bug?
[15:22] <pmcgowan> oh
[15:22] <pmcgowan> nm
[15:32] <balloons> t1mp, quick question on the ubuntu-sdk-team ppa for trusty; will  ubuntu-ui-toolkit be updated?
[15:33] <popey> balloons: I asked bzoltan1 that earlier...
[15:34] <balloons> popey, heh, I keep forgetting to ask because it's been out of date for some time, and I'm curious why. I believe you can just install the deb (which fixes my needs for testing)
[15:34] <popey> balloons: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/07/14/%23ubuntu-touch.html#t11:46
[15:34] <popey> balloons: specifically http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/07/14/%23ubuntu-touch.html#t12:24
[15:34] <bzoltan1> balloons: no, the UITK will not be released anymore to the SDK PPA
[15:35] <balloons> bzoltan1, ahh, no to runtimes :-)
[15:35] <balloons> ok, thank you for the clarity
[15:36] <bzoltan1> balloons: no probs
[15:44] <slangasek> cyphermox_: ok, thanks for confirming that my "Flight mode" bug is probably-fixed; I'll let you know if it recurs
[15:45] <cyphermox_> slangasek: well, let me know if it looks fine once you're running an image > 127 or so
[15:45] <slangasek> ack
[15:45] <slangasek> as soon as I see that this is promoted :
[15:45] <slangasek> :)
[15:45] <cyphermox_> yeah
[15:45] <cyphermox_> any time now ;)
[16:08] <kenvandine> Laney, sil2100: FYI i submitted my libqofono patch upstream
[16:09] <Laney> thanks ♥
[16:09] <sil2100> \o/
[16:09] <sil2100> :)
[16:16] <barry> mandel: ping
[16:47] <mterry> slangasek, any luck with bug 1323732?
[16:48] <mterry> ogra_, how ready is the image for a no-password phablet user?
[16:48] <slangasek> mterry: getting back into it today
[16:49] <mterry> slangasek, awesome, thanks
[17:31] <mterry> ogra_, I'd appreciate a review of https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/livecd-rootfs/no-password/+merge/225560 and a comment on whether this will interfere with your adb shell work
[17:34] <daker> the new fligh mode checkbox broke my wifi workflow :(
[17:36] <mterry> Laney, can you review https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/ubuntu-system-settings/locking-hash/+merge/224346 when you get a chance?  Or if not you, who should I be bugging about USS these days?
[18:00] <pmcgowan> yay one event alarm!
[18:12] <mterry> tedg, how ready are indicators for locked-user mode?
[18:14] <frecel> popey: is the clock updating properly for you on the home screen on r129?
[18:14] <popey> hello frecel
[18:15] <popey> yes
[18:15] <frecel> I caught it twice today being a few minutes behind the actual time
[18:16] <tedg> mterry, Not too ready, haven't had time to do anything special yet. So they're likely to be largely "session-ish"
[18:17] <popey> frecel: interesting, will keep an eye out
[18:18] <popey> frecel: caught it!
[18:26] <frecel> popey: is there a wiki page with all the core apps?
[18:28] <popey> frecel: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Avengers
[18:35] <mhall119> popey: I added an updated answer to an old AU questions of yours: http://askubuntu.com/questions/360554/how-do-i-sync-google-contacts/497752#497752
[18:35] <mhall119> now sure if you can change the accepted answer or not, I would hope so
[18:36] <daker> mhall119: is that icon correct ?
[18:37] <kenvandine> elopio, i've updated my content-hub/testability branch to include some test images for picture transfers
[18:38] <mhall119> daker: huh, I don't think it is, weird it seems to be a mix of the contacts app and the dialer app iccons
[18:38] <mhall119> kenvandine: ^^
[18:38] <mhall119> daker: it's what was on my screen though
[18:38] <kenvandine> dunno
[18:39] <popey> mhall119: get more people to upvote it ☻
[18:39] <kenvandine> you mean the icon in the notification?
[18:39] <daker> mhall119: i have seen it a lot of times, i tought it was some caching issue
[18:39] <mhall119> kenvandine: yeah
[18:39] <kenvandine> looks crazy :)
[18:39] <kenvandine> renatu, ^^ see that?
[18:40]  * kenvandine wonders if it's possible to set two icons and notify-osd stacks them
[18:41] <renatu> kenvandine, yes I saw sometimes two icons in the notification
[18:58] <mhall119> daker: do we have up to date docs anywhere for debugging HTML5 apps using the chrome console?
[18:58] <mhall119> all I could fine is http://daker.me/2013/11/web-apps-remote-debugging-on-ubuntu-touch.html but that's from last year so I don't know if it still works
[19:05] <daker> mhall119: i am not really sure, the app needs to run with --inspector
[19:05] <daker> but looking at QTC script it's not the case anymore
[19:06] <daker> zbenjamin: anyidea why we don't run HTML5 apps with --inspector anymore ?
[19:07] <mhall119> bzoltan2: alex_abreu: ^^
[19:08] <daker> it was their but at some point it was removed https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/trunk/revision/135#share/qtcreator/ubuntu/menu.json
[19:09] <daker> removed here https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/trunk/revision/167
[19:11] <alex_abreu> mhall119, mmmh no idea why it was removed ...
[19:11] <alex_abreu> it shouldn't have been
[19:11] <daker> see https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/trunk/revision/167
[19:12] <alex_abreu> yeah I saw
[19:12] <daker> i have to go, breaking the fast in few minutes
[19:13] <mhall119> daker: enjoy :)
[19:13] <mhall119> and thanks for find this
[19:13] <mhall119> finding
[19:13] <daker> thanks
[19:19] <frecel> is there a way of testing the keyboard on the desktop?
[19:46] <bzoltan2> alex_abreu: mhall119: no idea why it was removed, I will check it with zbenjamin tomorrow
[19:48] <pmcgowan> jgdx, kenvandine with the latest I am getting a binding loop detected on the cellular page which seems related to the tech selection stuff, did you see that?
[19:51] <rickspencer3> hey, if I side installed, like this, how do I uninstall?
[19:51] <rickspencer3> pkcon -p install-local com.ubuntu.developer.ralsina.hello_0.2_all.click
[19:57] <mhall119> rickspencer3: IIRC, you sudo click unregister --all-users com.ubuntu.developer.ralsina.hello
[19:57] <rickspencer3> oh
[19:57]  * rickspencer3 tries
[19:57] <elopio> kenvandine: thanks a lot. Richard and I will work on the address book tests that use it this week.
[19:57] <kenvandine> elopio, cool, let me know how it goes
[19:58] <elopio> sure. We'll soon show you the branch.
[20:01] <jgdx> pmcgowan, I saw it on the flickable. Is that what you're seeing?
[20:01] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, could be something that's dependent on a value that isn't set yet
[20:02] <pmcgowan> jgdx, kenvandine yes ad yes
[20:02] <pmcgowan> not sure how it will manifest
[20:02] <jgdx> kenvandine, ^ you mentioned something about a hack re: the flickable? :)
[20:02] <kenvandine> ok, that stuff is common, not sure we can really do anything with it
[20:02] <kenvandine> well is it causing a problem?
[20:03] <kenvandine> the hack on the flickable shouldn't be related
[20:03] <kenvandine> and actually that page doesn't have the hack, i don't think
[20:03] <jgdx> ok
[20:03] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, the concern would be depending on values the display may not be correct
[20:03] <pmcgowan> but it may never do anything
[20:04] <kenvandine> yeah, we can look at it
[20:04] <kenvandine> got a line #?
[20:05] <mhall119> ralsina: ping
[20:21] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, no line number, just the flickable
[20:23] <ralsina> mhall119: pong
[20:28] <mhall119> ralsina: hey, what are you using for your push notifications docs? I'd like to make sure we're ready to pull them into the developer portal as soon as they're ready
[20:42] <ralsina> mhall119: it's docutils but I can convert to anything in a hurry
[20:49] <mhall119> ok
[21:10] <ahayzen> Hi, anyone seen an issue where the 'phone number' in system-settings is not your actual phone number?
[21:22] <popey> ahayzen: i didnt know we had such a field, where do you see that?
[21:23] <ahayzen> popey, System Settings app... then 'about this phone' at the bottom... then the first line is 'phone number'
[21:23] <ahayzen> popey, it is displaying what i believe was my temporary number before my real one was transferred to the sim
[21:24] <popey> i dont get that
[21:24] <popey> i see no phone number field
[21:25] <ahayzen> popey, hmm do you have a sim card in the phone?
[21:26] <popey> yes
[21:26] <ahayzen> popey, which image you on? i'm on #130 now
[21:26] <popey> me too
[21:27] <ahayzen> popey, magic!
[21:32] <popey> ahayzen: screenshot?
[21:33] <ahayzen> popey, gimme a sec...
[21:35] <ahayzen> popey, https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3XynHVKfrvMbE56TDNqVDFhenc
[21:36] <ahayzen> popey, the top one says 'Phone Number' and starts with 075...my actual number starts 077 ;)
[21:38] <ahayzen> popey, so why doesn't yours show you the phone number?...and why is mine incorrect lol
[21:38] <pmcgowan> ahayzen, popey we are getting that info from ofono
[21:39] <popey> http://popey.mooo.com/screenshots/device-2014-07-14-223935.png
[21:39] <popey> my phone
[21:40] <ahayzen> pmcgowan, it is showing my temporary number that came with the sim... not my real number which was transferred a few days later
[21:40] <ahayzen> popey, hah... who is your network operator?
[21:40] <popey> giffgaff
[21:40] <popey> pmcgowan: shall i file a bug in ofono?
[21:41] <ahayzen> they use o2 right? ...and i'm on o2
[21:41] <ahayzen> ...and should i file a bug for my issue as well?
[21:41] <pmcgowan> popey, if no number is returned we dont show the field
[21:41] <popey> yes, o2
[21:41] <pmcgowan> ahayzen, and if multiple numbers are returned, we show the first one
[21:42] <pmcgowan> seems bugs are in order
[21:42] <pmcgowan> then we can get some command line info
[21:42] <ahayzen> pmcgowan, hmm is there anyway i can check what it is returning?
[21:43] <popey> wonder if ofono-scripts has something
[21:43] <pmcgowan> yeah do a list-modems and check subscribernumbers in the simmanager
[21:44] <pmcgowan> ahayzen, popey ^^
[21:44] <pmcgowan> /usr/share/ofono/scripts/list-modems
[21:44] <popey> no number listed
[21:44] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7795545/
[21:45] <pmcgowan> popey, thats the entire output?
[21:45] <popey> yes
[21:46] <popey> also, i need to file a bug about airplane mode
[21:46] <popey> stab the airplane switch a few times and you can break it
[21:47] <pmcgowan> popey, by contrast, my att sim output http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7795555/
[21:47] <ahayzen> pmcgowan, 'SubscriberNumbers' has 1 number... the incorrect number...
[21:47] <pmcgowan> ahayzen, interesting, then please file a bug, need to figure out where that new number is provisioned
[21:47] <pmcgowan> that will be common
[21:48] <ahayzen> pmcgowan, ok i'll ping you the bug in a bit...
[21:49] <popey> woah
[21:49] <pmcgowan> popey, I cant understand why ofono is getting no data for you, something not right there
[21:49] <popey> lemme try the other phone
[21:49] <pmcgowan> you have no interfaces defined
[21:50] <popey> vother phone gives way more info
[21:50] <popey> ok, other (main) phone has loads of data
[21:50] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7795562/
[21:50] <pmcgowan> ahayzen, add the output from the list command to the bug, maybe there will be a clue
[21:51] <ahayzen> pmcgowan, will do
[21:51] <popey> probably because one of my phones has run out of tarriff
[21:51] <popey> or because i pressed airline button lots
[21:51] <pmcgowan> popey, lol
[21:51] <pmcgowan> maybe the modem is off, et me look again
[21:51] <pmcgowan> yeah its off
[21:51] <pmcgowan> popey, turn the modem on
[21:52]  * beuno watches pmcgowan troll popey by covertly asking "have you turned it off and on again?"
[21:53] <popey> pmcgowan: http://popey.mooo.com/screenshots/device-2014-07-14-225307.png
[21:53] <popey> what do I press?
[21:53] <pmcgowan> popey, flight mode ;)
[21:53] <popey> flight mode is off
[21:53] <pmcgowan> popey,  or do enable-modem script
[21:54] <popey> http://popey.mooo.com/screenshots/device-2014-07-14-225353.png
[21:54] <ahayzen> pmcgowan, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ofono/+bug/1341805
[21:54] <popey>    /ril_0     gsm               disconnected
[21:54] <pmcgowan> ahayzen, thanks
[21:56] <pmcgowan> popey, enable-modem not working?
[21:56] <popey> root@ubuntu-phablet:~# /usr/share/ofono/scripts/enable-modem
[21:56] <popey> Connecting modem /ril_0...
[21:56] <popey> pmcgowan: no
[21:57] <popey> but this almost certainly is that I ran out of credit on this sim
[21:57] <popey> so lets not worry till I add more credit
[21:57] <pmcgowan> ok lets see if thats it, I have a sim like that as well
[21:59] <popey> pmcgowan: cant make emergency calls... is that implemented yet?
[22:00] <pmcgowan> popey, dont htink Ui is in yet
[22:00] <popey> ok
[22:02] <popey> hmm, says I have credit
[22:02] <popey> wonder if this is as a result of me mucking about with airplane mode
[22:04] <ahayzen> popey, hmmm but i duck in a out of airplane mode as i use it for 'silent' mode ;)
[22:05] <ahayzen> popey, even in flight mode it still shows the phone number
[22:09] <popey> hmm
[22:09] <popey> will play more
[23:27] <jarreed01>  So I have an idea for the Ubuntu Touch OS. It is something I use everyday on my android. It is a tilt control setting were if my phone tilts enough to be placed in my pocket or if my android is set face down the screen will lock. If I would like this specifically and other tilt controlls, like turning auto-tilt on and off, to be implemented into the Ubuntu Touch OS how would I go about making a setting page on the status
[23:27] <jarreed01>  lled "Tilt Controls" were I can implement these controls and other ones. Also by doing so will it have to be an app for some one to install or who would I contact to get it intergrated into the system so its built into everyones Ubuntu Touch phone. I posted this idea on the xda forums. I was told that it was an interesting idea and to try posting this here and on #ubuntu-devel
[23:47] <nik90_> jarreed0: post it on the ubuntu touch mailing list. Join https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone
[23:52] <jarreed0> nik90_: ok thanks. will do


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[01:47] <yukip> any links to lubuntu next? lxqt
[01:48] <tsimonq2> Not particularly, because Lubuntu Next is no longer a thing.
[01:48] <tsimonq2> We're switching for 18.10.
[01:48] <tsimonq2> So Lubuntu Next is now Lubuntu. :P
[01:48] <yukip> oh, cool
[01:48] <yukip> thanks
[01:48] <tsimonq2> No problem.
[01:48] <tsimonq2> yukip: There's some rough edges, but http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/
[04:48] <holywater> "This image is oversized (which is a bug) and will not fit onto a standard 703MiB CD. However, you may still test it using a DVD, a USB drive, or a virtual machine."
[04:49] <tsimonq2> holywater: Yeah, I need to talk to someone about fixing that.
[04:49] <tsimonq2> Thanks though.
[04:49] <holywater> oh, there are plans to make lubuntu fit back into a CD?
[04:49] <tsimonq2> Nope.
[04:49] <tsimonq2> Well, *maybe*. I have an idea along those lines for down the road.......
[04:50] <holywater> also, is there anyone i should talk to, regarding tweaking configuration files?
[04:51] <holywater> mostly things like setting default font to ubuntu'
[04:51] <holywater> s font and the like
[04:51] <tsimonq2> You've come to the right place :)
[04:53] <tsimonq2> holywater: Can I PM you? (You have +g set.)
[04:55] <holywater> unset
[04:57] <tsimonq2> Thanks
[05:08] <Unit193> Side note: You can just /accept tsimonq2  to recieve PMs from him, or you can simply message him first.
[08:53] <hehehe> hi
[08:53] <hehehe> who here uses linuxium ?
[08:53] <tsimonq2> Hey, how ya doin'?
[08:54] <hehehe> i am fine
[08:54] <hehehe> thinking how to install lubuntu 18.04 on lenovo 100s
[08:54] <tsimonq2> Hm, what's Linuxium?
[08:54] <tsimonq2> Oh nice. :)
[08:55] <hehehe> it is  a giant script sh :) to respin iso and add 32 bit uefi boot etc
[08:55] <tsimonq2> Oh, that's interesting.
[08:55] <tsimonq2> Got a link?
[08:55] <tsimonq2> (I'm Lubuntu's Release Manager and for 18.10 we're going to use Calamares; maybe we can incorporate some stuff in there.)
[08:56] <hehehe> http://www.linuxium.com.au/how-tos/creatingpersonalizedubuntumintanddebianisosforintelminipcs
[08:56] <hehehe> would be awesome
[08:57] <tsimonq2> hehehe: So, how common are these devices?
[08:57] <hehehe> lenovo 100s very common
[08:58] <tsimonq2> Can you buy one off the shelf today? How old are we talking?
[08:58] <hehehe> yes you can
[08:58] <tsimonq2> Interesting.
[08:58] <hehehe> I have bought one 5 months ago
[08:58] <tsimonq2> I will admit; this is not my area of expertise. But I'll look into it.
[08:58] <hehehe> for argos for 85 GBP :)
[08:58] <tsimonq2> :D
[08:58] <hehehe> from
[08:59] <hehehe> 4 cores 64 bit atom processor :D
[08:59] <hehehe> runs pretty fast on lubuntu
[08:59] <tsimonq2> ooh
[09:00] <hehehe> there is ready made ISO for ubuntu http://linuxminipcs.com/isos
[09:00] <hehehe> but not for lubuntu :D
[09:00] <tsimonq2> Do you know this guy/gal?
[09:00] <tsimonq2> (The person who wrote this.)
[09:00] <hehehe> plus with his script you can install lubuntu on intel sticks I think and all kind of mini pcs :)
[09:01] <hehehe> not personally
[09:01] <hehehe> however he seems to be active
[09:01] <tsimonq2> These seem like some hacks :P but if they work, more power to ya.
[09:02] <hehehe> they do work :D
[09:02] <hehehe> and what it does - lenovo changes bios by default so it will only boot windows :D
[09:02] <hehehe> however now you can boot and install linux on them
[09:03] <tsimonq2> Right.
[09:03] <hehehe> yes would be fun to chat with Ian on irc - the guy behind isorespin
[09:04] <hehehe> I can ask him if he is on freenode sometimes :)
[09:04] <tsimonq2> I'm on freenode, OFTC, and GeekShed; PMs are open, if he could shoot me a message. :)
[09:05] <hehehe> https://plus.google.com/+IanMORRISON :)
[09:05] <hehehe> some wild stuff
[09:06] <tsimonq2> For sure.
[09:07] <hehehe> tsimonq2: whereabouts are you based?
[09:07] <tsimonq2> hehehe: Wisconsin, USA.
[09:08] <hehehe> nice
[09:08] <tsimonq2> Doing some late night hacking :D
[09:08] <hehehe> haha
[09:08] <hehehe> I fell asleep on a sofa last night doing it
[09:08] <tsimonq2> hehe
[09:10] <hehehe> tsimonq2: also back to my lubuntu issue :) I did respin 18.04 with 32 boot loader and atom support - however stick is yet to be detected - it seems I am missing something obvious
[09:10] <hehehe> what could it be... :)
[09:10] <tsimonq2> I'm not sure.
[09:10] <tsimonq2> I've never personally worked with that hardware; your best bet would probably be to try #ubuntu (those guys and gals have tested all sorts of hardware) or talk to Ian.
[09:11] <hehehe> tsimonq2: or lets say ubuntu iso will work? is there an easy way to make it lubuntu?
[09:12] <tsimonq2> hehehe: There's more than one way :)
[09:12] <hehehe> for example? :)
[09:12] <tsimonq2> sudo apt -y remove ubuntu-desktop^ && sudo apt -y install lubuntu-desktop^
[09:13] <hehehe> yes lightweight desktop
[09:13] <hehehe> I have read that lubuntu also uses more lightweight libraries?
[09:13] <hehehe> for many things
[09:13] <tsimonq2> If you're willing to do something much more hacky to just strip the install way down: http://askubuntu.com/questions/240346/how-to-keep-only-ubuntu-minimal
[09:13] <tsimonq2> Right, well, 18.04 and previous releases focus on being much more lightweight.
[09:14] <tsimonq2> We use LXDE and many lightweight applications.
[09:14] <tsimonq2> However, with 18.10 and on we're focusing on UX much more.
[09:14] <hehehe> cool
[09:14] <tsimonq2> Sure, LXQt is still a very light desktop, and by default we'll keep it minimal, but our goal is to then enable people to Use Their Computer. :)
[09:14] <hehehe> haha
[09:14] <hehehe> you should look into atom devices
[09:15] <hehehe> they are cheap and if there is a ready made iso :)
[09:15] <hehehe> more people will be getting into lubuntu
[09:15] <tsimonq2> How cheap are we talking?
[09:16] <hehehe> under 200 usd new! :D
[09:16] <hehehe> and lightweight
[09:16] <tsimonq2> ooh
[09:16] <tsimonq2> I'll look into it, thanks.
[09:16] <hehehe> lightweight netbook + lightweight distro
[09:17] <tsimonq2> hehe
[09:53] <hehehe> tsimonq2:  https://blog.laurens.xyz/post/Ubuntu-on-Intel-Atom-Device.html   Note however that the respinning is done on an Ubuntu distribution itself, as I found that spinning the ISO on an Lubuntu distro results in unbootable ISO's as well.
[09:53] <hehehe> hmm
[09:53] <hehehe> last time I recall I did respin on ubuntu and it did boot
[09:54] <hehehe> now I will get into ubuntu server and re spin there and then I think it will work
[10:30] <holywater> hehehe: if it helps, cubic is a good alternative for creating your own lubuntu flavor
[10:31] <holywater> https://launchpad.net/cubic
[10:31] <holywater> https://askubuntu.com/questions/741753/how-to-use-cubic-to-create-a-custom-ubuntu-live-cd-image
[11:59] <hehehe> holywater: cool
[13:13] <dzho> neat
[13:46] <hehehe> re spinned on ubuntu might work now :D
[13:46] <hehehe> downloading iso from ubuntu server
[14:23] <hehehe> gosh
[14:23] <hehehe> black screen
[14:23] <hehehe> at least boots
[14:23] <hehehe> :D
[14:23] <hehehe> guys how come no one here uses linuxium? :D
[14:24] <hehehe> I feel its 5 min question
[14:24] <hehehe> and I spent 10 hrs on it
[14:24] <hehehe> :D
[14:24] <hehehe> o well I will simply pay someone will be quicker
[14:56] <hehehe> ok works
[14:56] <hehehe> nomodeset :D
[15:39] <hehehe> how come by default encryption option is greyed out
[15:39] <hehehe> on lubuntu when live usb is booted
[16:17] <ilyaigpetrov> These are input fields in Empathy and Gajim. How may I fix it? Tried purging and upgrading. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/WZnfOLaA/empathy-gajim.png
[16:19] <ilyaigpetrov> maybe it's because I've install ibus recently, because I wanted ctrl+u to be working
[16:20] <ilyaigpetrov> which input method was the default?
[16:20] <ilyaigpetrov> s/ctrl+shift+u
[16:25] <ilyaigpetrov> setting input method to None solved the problem, but ctrl+shift+u doesn't work
[17:32] <hehehe> try to ask in ##linux


[06:03] <czajkowski> Aloha
[06:03] <czajkowski> Technoviking: ping
[07:43] <kim0> Morning folks
[08:35] <dpm> hey kim0, good morning!
[08:45] <dholbach> good morning
[08:45] <duanedesign> o.
[08:45] <duanedesign> err, good morning
[09:04] <dpm> hey dholbach
[09:04] <dpm> hey duanedesign
[09:04] <dholbach> hola dpm
[09:09] <dpm> is it only me, or wiki.ubuntu.com is all over the place in Firefox?
[09:11] <dholbach> dpm, it looks good to me?
[09:12] <dpm> hm, I'm trying to upload a screen capture, but it's taking ages...
[11:39] <duanedesign> dholbach: /8
[11:39] <duanedesign> oops ;)
[15:34] <Technoviking> czajkowski: pong
[15:34] <czajkowski> hmm now what di dI want you for.
[15:34] <czajkowski> ohh yes moderate my mail please :)
[15:35] <Technoviking> done:)
[15:35] <czajkowski> Thank you
[15:56] <Technoviking> morning jono, do you have time today for a phone/skype call?
[16:00] <jono> Technoviking, this afternoon I can, but I am on the phone all morning
[16:01] <jono> jcastro, dpm, kim0, dholbach about to fire up Skype
[16:01] <jcastro> k
[16:01] <kim0> k
[16:02] <dpm> ok
[16:03] <Technoviking> jono: anytime betwen 2pm and 4:30pm MST would work for me
[16:04] <Technoviking> and if todays suck, its all cool
[16:04] <dholbach> jono, sorry, something with pulse/indicators just exploded - I couldn't hear you
[16:21]  * vish wonders if dholbach's audio problem is cause of a bad jono! ;p   https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=635698
[16:21] <ubot2> Gnome bug 635698 in GStreamer "Jono Bacon breaks GStreamer (missing audioresample in transcoding pipeline)" [Normal,New]
[16:21] <vish> j/k ;p
[16:22] <dholbach> hahaha
[16:25] <jcastro> kim0: don't ask, make them do it
[16:25] <kim0> :)
[16:25] <jcastro> "congrats, you're giving a session for cloud week, what slot do you want?"
[16:26] <kim0> lol :)
[16:26] <Technoviking> jcastro: is elmo still head of Canonical IS?
[16:26] <kim0> jcastro: you're da man
[16:26] <jcastro> Technoviking: dunno, everything's reorganized
[16:27] <vish> dpm: hey, you mentioned wiki.ubuntu breakage, are you using FF4?  (the header is broken and oddly displaced for me here in FF4..)
[16:27] <dpm> vish, yeah, that's exactly it. It's broken on FF4, but looks ok in Chromium
[16:30] <dpm> vish, I've just mentioned it on #ubuntu-website
[16:30] <vish>  neat! :)
[16:30] <dpm> let's see if someone answers first, though :)
[16:31] <vish> lol..
[16:31]  * vish glares at the wiki till then..
[16:31] <vish> dpm: we can change the theme to anything other than light and all seems fine..
[16:32]  * vish mentions it on #u-website too..
[16:50] <dholbach> alright my friends
[16:50] <dholbach> I'm going to call it a day
[16:50] <dholbach> see you all tomorrow
[17:44] <cjohnston> jono: can we schedule about 15 minutes tomorrow please? Anytime between 0900 and 1800 EST works for me
[17:44] <jono> cjohnston, what do you need to discuss?
[17:45] <cjohnston> uds.ubuntu.com
[18:11] <jcastro> akgraner: hey I had a plumbing accident and there's a dude here working and making a ton of noise
[18:11] <jcastro> akgraner: how's tomorrow for you?
[18:12] <doctormo> jcastro: What did you do?
[18:12] <jcastro> sink's clogged
[18:12] <jcastro> probably food
[18:12] <doctormo> Flame thrower, that'll sort it.
[18:14] <cjohnston> jcastro: you may be interested in the meeting im trying to schedule with jono as well
[18:14] <jono> cjohnston, what specifically about it?
[18:14] <jcastro> oh?
[18:15] <cjohnston> The theming of it.. Trying to get sorted out how to fix it
[18:15] <jono> cjohnston, I can do tomorrow at 10am Pac
[18:15] <cjohnston> There are a couple bugs filed against the theme.
[18:15] <jono> would that work?
[18:15] <cjohnston> Yup
[18:16] <jono> cjohnston, ok it is in
[18:16] <jono> let's do it on Skype
[18:16] <cjohnston> thanks jono
[18:17] <jono> cheers :-)
[18:17] <cjohnston> ok.
[18:26] <Technoviking> jcastro: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1693711 :)
[18:27] <jcastro> Technoviking: I found a better one yesterday
[18:28] <jcastro> (looking)
[18:28] <akgraner> jcastro, I'm traveling tomorrow to LA for SCaLE looks like we'll have to schedule it for next week :-)
[18:28] <jcastro> akgraner: is that ok with you?
[18:28] <cjohnston> akgraner: take me with you
[18:28] <jcastro> I don't want to screw up a deadline or something
[18:29] <akgraner> jcastro, yep - I'll make it work :-)
[18:29] <akgraner> cjohnston, how was Vegas?
[18:29] <cjohnston> Very nice
[18:29] <cjohnston> Preferred NC better tho
[18:29] <jcastro> Technoviking: it was one about "why don't you post on the forums" or something
[18:29] <jcastro> and one guy was like "it's too strict here, all I was doing was posting serial numbers to Windows"
[18:29] <jcastro> hahaha
[18:29] <Technoviking> lol
[18:30] <Technoviking> I'm asking to create a sub-forum for natty, for livly Natty and Unity discussion to keep it out of the CC. Sound good?
[18:31] <jcastro> why not just push them into the natty forum?
[18:34] <Technoviking> jcastro: some people want to keep it separate.
[18:34] <jcastro> why?
[18:34] <Technoviking> shrug
[18:34] <Technoviking> off to class, bbl
[18:35] <jcastro> cya
[18:35] <jcastro> well whatever, I kind of lost hope after my attempts to deblingify it
[18:35] <jcastro> *shrug*
[18:36] <czajkowski> deblingify
[18:36] <czajkowski> is that a new word
[18:36] <czajkowski> :)
[18:51] <Technoviking> jcastro: some of the mods feel the most of the natty related threads are usually moans and groans not tech discussion.
[18:51] <Technoviking> irc in the class room rocks:)
[18:52] <jcastro> ok so like the tech threads on natty I can count in one hand
[18:52] <jcastro> why not just recurring?
[18:54] <Technoviking> that has been suggested also
[18:59] <czajkowski> Technoviking: on the forums
[18:59] <czajkowski> is there anything there now about UGJ ?
[18:59] <czajkowski> Technoviking: I want to post http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/02/23/ubuntu-global-jam-coming-soon/  if there isn't but don't know where
[19:02] <jcastro> if anything you'd think we'd be reducing the amount of subforums
[19:03] <jcastro> akgraner: good news, he finished early
[19:03] <jcastro> I am all set!
[19:03] <akgraner> jcastro, cool...can you give me 15 mins or so
[19:03] <czajkowski> why is it before vacation/holiday time off one works three times as hard to make sure the work is done anyways
[19:03] <akgraner> gotta finish something :-)
[19:03]  * czajkowski is still at work
[19:04] <jcastro> akgraner: no worries, I am gree from now until EOD, so whatever's best for you.
[19:04] <akgraner> jcastro, thanks a million and one!
[19:05] <jcastro> bless my heart!
[19:05] <Technoviking> czajkowski: don't think so
[19:05] <czajkowski> Technoviking: can you tell me where it should go
[19:05]  * czajkowski is very blind in the forums
[19:05] <czajkowski> please
[19:06] <Technoviking> post to the Community Cafe, and I will link a forum wide announement to it
[19:06] <czajkowski> Technoviking: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=11  <-- there?
[19:07] <Technoviking> yup
[19:08] <czajkowski> thanks Technoviking
[19:08] <czajkowski> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10487428#post10487428
[19:09] <czajkowski> logging offf
[19:09] <czajkowski> bbiab
[19:10] <czajkowski> jono: see meeting in -meeting now
[19:10] <czajkowski> for edubuntu and bug jam taking place
[19:12] <Technoviking> czajkowski: stuck thread and gave you member badge:)
[19:56] <doctormo> pleia2: Could you review for me before I post to my blog? http://blip.tv/file/4804869
[19:58] <pleia2> doctormo: sure, hopefully won't get interrupted by phone :)
[19:58] <doctormo> pleia2: thanks! *hugs*
[20:09] <pleia2> doctormo: I think it's good
[20:09]  * pleia2 hugs
[20:09] <pleia2> now I want to respond to it :)
[20:10] <doctormo> pleia2: http://doctormo.org/2011/02/23/ubuntu-inspiration/
[20:16] <pleia2> replied
[20:19] <doctormo> pleia2: great reply, thanks! :-)
[20:22] <Technoviking> czajkowski: ok, the UGJ is all set on the forums
[20:23] <czajkowski> technoviking thank uou
[20:23] <czajkowski> yiu
[20:23] <czajkowski> grrrr
[20:23] <czajkowski> you
[20:53] <Technoviking> Fuduntu? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1637104
[21:12] <czajkowski> Finally home
[21:16] <czajkowski> Technoviking: what do you mean all set?
[21:21] <Technoviking> czajkowski: put an announcement on the front page. sp everyone who visits the forums should see it.
[21:22] <Technoviking> jono: still have time for a call later?
[21:23] <jono> Technoviking, sure, I need to finish some things up first, can I ping you in a bit?
[21:23] <Technoviking> jono: sounds good
[21:24] <czajkowski> Technoviking: ahh ok. Thanks
[22:18] <jono_> pleia2, hey
[22:18] <jono_> pleia2, http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/02/23/ubuntu-developer-summit-sponsorship-now-open/
[22:18] <jono_> would you happy to blog about the Ubuntu Women campaign?
[22:27] <Technoviking> jcastro_: ping
[22:42] <AlanBell> jcastro_: can you remove my sponsorship application please (it is a silly one from some time ago, probably with dinosaur meat as a special dietary requirement or something)
[22:44] <pleia2> jono_: yeah, I'll work on a post tonight
[22:55] <jcastro> AlanBell: sure.
[22:55] <jcastro> AlanBell: just ack me one more time before I clicky
[22:57] <AlanBell> nuke it from orbit, it is the only way to be sure
[22:58] <AlanBell> don't think I am actually going to apply for this one, just don't want it going round Canonical with me looking like a prat
[22:59] <jcastro> ok done
[23:00] <AlanBell> great, thanks
[23:01] <jcastro> woo
[23:01] <jcastro> scored Adele tickets.
[23:09] <Technoviking> it seems like you would fill out this form after you know if you got sponsorship? https://forms.canonical.com/udsreg/
[23:39] <Technoviking> heading out in a few minute, have a good night


[01:45] <mup> Bug #1674864 opened: MAAS deployment failed due to data source user-data 500 Internal Server Error, after using set default gateway <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1674864>
[02:45] <mup> Bug #1674864 changed: MAAS deployment failed due to data source user-data 500 Internal Server Error, after using set default gateway <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1674864>
[02:45] <mup> Bug #1674866 opened: Default gateway (per-subnet) should have a metric value <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1674866>
[08:58] <Tim_> Hello
[11:07] <bryanb229> is there anyone active in this channel?
[11:08] <bryanb229> ive logged in multiple time and see people online but no one ever types any messages
[11:09] <brendand> bryanb229, it's active
[11:09] <brendand> some times are quieter than others
[11:18] <mup> Bug #1674959 opened: [UI] Close Add Pod button is redundant on pods page <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1674959>
[11:48] <mup> Bug #1674959 changed: [UI] Close Add Pod button is redundant on pods page <ui> <ux> <MAAS:Opinion> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1674959>
[12:00] <mup> Bug #1674959 opened: [UI] Close Add Pod button is redundant on pods page <ui> <ux> <MAAS:Opinion> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1674959>
[12:03] <mup> Bug #1674959 changed: [UI] Close Add Pod button is redundant on pods page <ui> <ux> <MAAS:Opinion> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1674959>
[12:52] <mup> Bug #1674991 opened: [2.1] Cannot skip 2nd stage of intro config journey <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1674991>
[13:04] <mup> Bug #1674991 changed: [2.1] Cannot skip 2nd stage of intro config journey <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1674991>
[13:43] <mup> Bug #1675017 opened: [CLI] interface link-subnet command cannot refer to interface by device name <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1675017>
[13:49] <mup> Bug #1675017 changed: [CLI] interface link-subnet command cannot refer to interface by device name <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1675017>
[13:58] <mup> Bug #1675017 opened: [CLI] interface link-subnet command cannot refer to interface by device name <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1675017>
[14:46] <mup> Bug #1670499 changed: maas 2.1.3 nodes do not deploy, Juju reports 'started but not deployed' <cdo-qa> <cdo-qa-blocker> <juju:Invalid> <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1670499>
[14:46] <mup> Bug #1671605 changed: Unbootable system after installation <cdo-qa-blocker> <curtin:Invalid> <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1671605>
[14:46] <mup> Bug #1673726 changed: scsi ids with vmware are not correctly used <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1673726>
[16:07] <dfin> Hello all, is there a way to debug the commissioning process in 2.1? I've been stuck for a couple days and about to call it quits :/
[16:09] <pmatulis> dfin, logs are a good place to start
[16:09] <dfin> Right, but I can't log in to the commissioned machine and I couldn't get the backdoor hack to work
[16:10] <dfin> Specifcially, I can see in the MAAS logs that the initial PXE is going well, but the node  I'm trying to provision just sits there at a login prompt
[16:11] <pmatulis> dfin, and the web UI says 'Commissioning failed'?
[16:11] <dfin> yes, after it hits the 20 min timout
[16:12] <pmatulis> dfin, what kind of machine is powering the node? bare-metal, virtual
[16:13] <dfin> BM - Dell 6730xd
[16:13] <dfin> *r730
[16:15] <dfin> MAAS itself is in a VMware cluster on the same vlan
[16:15] <pmatulis> dfin, what power type was chosen?
[16:15] <dfin> IPMI 2, which is working
[16:16] <dfin> At least, it powers on the machine
[16:16] <dfin> and I can make it power the machine off via the web ui
[16:17] <ybaumy> when will the maas patch released into beta release for the disk boot order
[16:18] <ybaumy> there is a patch available and i need it
[16:18] <ybaumy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1673724
[16:19] <pmatulis> dfin, any firmware updates available for the BMC?
[16:20] <dfin> pmatulis: I don't think so - let me check
[16:21] <dfin> pmatulis: I am on the latest firmware version
[16:24] <dfin> I _suspect_ that something is up with the scripts run on squashfs, but I can't get in there to check. Just a suspicion though...
[16:30] <pmatulis> dfin, i'm sorry i don't know what else i can add. hopefully someone else here can chime in. i wouldn't give up just yet though. there's a good reason why it's not working
[16:30] <pmatulis> dfin, do you have other machines that work?
[16:30] <dfin> pmatulis: no, this is the pilot machine
[16:30] <pmatulis> dfin, maybe try a quick KVM-backed or VMware-backed node
[16:31] <pmatulis> to see if there's a wider problem
[16:31] <dfin> I'll do that
[16:37] <dfin> pmatulis: whatever the case, thanks for your help
[16:40] <dfin> yeah, same thing with a VMware node. I'll see if it times out
[16:40] <pmatulis> is DNS working? pretty sure commissioning requires it
[16:42] <dfin> DNS is what way. Like the MAAS DNS?
[16:42] <dfin> I have a working DNS server for our internal domains
[16:44] <pmatulis> nodes should be able to contact the internet and have DNS working. network-wise. i'll be back later
[16:44] <dfin> sure
[16:46] <pmatulis> check the proxy logs during commissioning. you should see requests go out
[16:46] <pmatulis> i'm pretty sure
[16:51] <ybaumy> is someone from the devs here?
[16:52] <zeestrat> ybaumy: Yes, though they might be out due to different TZ.
[16:53] <ybaumy> zeestrat: i need a patch for maas beta applied
[16:53] <ybaumy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1673724
[16:54] <ybaumy> when can i expect a release for this
[16:55] <brendand> ybaumy, that's going to be in the next release, out soon
[16:56] <ybaumy> brendand: thats great to hear because its really important. would i get that earlier if i had a support aggreement with canonical?
[17:05] <brendand> ybaumy, if you're willing to use a ppa you can get it now but would have to accept that it hasn't been tested fully yet
[17:09] <ybaumy> brendand: im using devel
[17:09] <brendand> ybaumy, which ppa?
[17:10] <ybaumy> brendand: http://ppa.launchpad.net/maas/next/ubuntu xenial main
[17:13] <mup> Bug #1675095 opened: [2.2] MAAS selecting the incorrect NTP server for deployed machines <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1675095>
[17:29] <cnf> jamespage: ii'll ask here, if i delete NICs in maas, can i get them back later without knowing the MAC addresses?
[18:37] <mup> Bug #1675123 opened: [2.2, UI] Interfaces UI shows two items for the subnet <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1675123>
[18:46] <mup> Bug #1675123 changed: [2.2, UI] Interfaces UI shows two items for the subnet <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1675123>
[18:58] <mup> Bug #1675123 opened: [2.2, UI] Interfaces UI shows two items for the subnet <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1675123>
[20:49] <smgoller> Does anyone have any experience deploying coreos with maas?
[21:10] <mup> Bug #1675123 changed: [2.2, UI] Interfaces UI shows two items for the subnet <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1675123>
[21:36] <roaksoax> smgoller: maas doesn't support coreos
[21:42] <smgoller> roaksoax: thanks
[21:43] <smgoller> so I notice when juju creates containers on machines it allocates via maas, the containers show up on the maas node details page. Is there a way to manage that outside of juju?
[21:43] <smgoller> I guess the simple question is, if I create lxd containers on maas-deployed machines, will they show up?
[21:51] <roaksoax> smgoller: if you register them in MAAS they would
[21:51] <roaksoax> smgoller: what juju does is basically "
[21:51] <roaksoax> "hey maas, register this container that I've just created and give it an static IP address"
[21:52] <roaksoax> smgoller: and maas adds a container, and using the mac it provides it an "static" IP address that's delivered by DHCP (or juju configures it statically)
[21:52] <roaksoax> if that makes sense
[21:52] <smgoller> so maas is doing the actual container creation
[21:53] <smgoller> er
[21:53] <smgoller> sorry
[21:53]  * smgoller goes to look at the juju maas drivers
[21:53] <roaksoax> smgoller: juju is doing the container creation and telling MAAS about the existance of the container
[21:54] <smgoller> right
[21:56] <smgoller> any info on how juju tells maas about the container?
[21:57] <roaksoax> smgoller: it just makes a API call. I'd think it adds a device with a parent
[21:57] <roaksoax> smgoller: and then asks for an IP with link-subnet
[22:22] <xygnal> I have two subbnets on the same untagged fabric.  Although deploying works fine giving it the right auto-assigned address,  comission fails because it picks an dynamic IP in the opposite subnet than its in
[22:22] <xygnal> the result is that it gets its DHCP response and address during comission, but it cannot connect, because its the wrong address for that subnet
[22:23] <xygnal> I am I running into limitations, or bugs?
[22:36] <xygnal> looks like it might have worked when I seperated that second subnet into its own fabric
[22:47] <Fl1nt> Good evening everyone!
[22:49] <Fl1nt> Quick question, what kind of "scripts" the commissioning scripts can be? As they seems to be launched by cloud-init, I would say nearly anyone but I need to be sure as I want to use it to manage the Hardware RAID configuration.
[23:03] <Fl1nt> anyone?


[07:04] <soreau> why is printers missing in settings? system-config-printer is installed and working if run manually
[08:55] <blingrang> Hi, just installed a fresh 18.04 on a new laptop. The menu items sizes are really small. How do I make them bigger?. The window titles and terminal fonts are fine.
[08:55] <blingrang> It's just the menu items.
[08:55] <blingrang> and folder/file names
[10:19] <brainwash> soreau: https://i.imgur.com/cVTzjUP.png
[10:21] <brainwash> maybe /usr/share/applications/system-config-printer.desktop is missing in your case
[10:22] <brainwash> or overridden by a user created version in ~/.local/share/applications/
[10:33] <brainwash> blingrang: did you experiment with the font settings (size and dpi) yet? Xfce settings > appearance > fonts
[11:08] <blingrang> brainwash, Dam. That was it. Should have looked a bit harder. Thanks anyways.
[14:20] <SeTunTun> Hi, I use xubuntu 18.04 with a bluetooth adaptor. Everytime the computer boots bluetooth is on. Is there a a way in xubuntu to bootup with bluetooth off?
[15:56] <soreau> brainwash: /usr/share/applications/system-config-printer.desktop exists and there is ~/.local/share/applications/system-config-printer.desktop but even if I temporarily move it, the printer icon still doesn't show in settings
[15:59] <brainwash> soreau: did you play around with menulibre (the menu editor)?
[16:00] <brainwash> it could be that the entry for s-c-p is disabled
[16:00] <brainwash> or something like that
[16:00] <brainwash> disabled or hidden
[16:06] <xubuntu24w> Hello, I have a wire conected to my pc but I don't have connection. Help pls
[16:06] <soreau> brainwash: not that I know of but I could check..
[16:07] <soreau> brainwash: if I type 'system-' in whisker menu, the printers is the only thing that shows up
[16:07] <soreau> so it's in the menu, just not in the main xfce settings gui
[16:07] <xubuntu24w> Hello, I have a wire conected to my pc but I don't have connection. Help pls
[16:07] <diogenes_> xubuntu24w, fresh install?
[16:07] <xubuntu24w> Hello, I have a wire of ethernet  conected to my pc but I don't have connection. Help pls
[16:08] <xubuntu24w> Yep frsh install
[16:09] <soreau> xubuntu24w: The only time this ever happened to one computer I came across, I had to run 'ethtool -s eth0 speed 100 duplex full' each time I reboot the computer
[16:10] <diogenes_> xubuntu24w, did it work while installing xubuntu?
 I installed it with another conection and it worked
[16:11] <diogenes_> try same cable on a different machine, might be cable might me router
[16:11] <diogenes_> does it say connected?
[16:11] <xubuntu24w> No
[16:12] <xubuntu24w> When I put the wire in other pc it works
[16:12] <soreau> that sounds like the problem I mentioned
[16:12] <diogenes_> xubuntu24w, but when you click then network icon do you see wired connection 1?
[16:12] <diogenes_> or similar?
[16:12] <xubuntu24w> But here recognize the net for one sec and then desappear
[16:13] <xubuntu24w> I see wired connection 1 and 1 sec after it dessapears
[16:13] <diogenes_> xubuntu24w, desktop/laptop?
[16:14] <xubuntu24w> A pc portable
[16:15] <diogenes_> could be a network card issue, try in live session with usb
[16:15] <xubuntu24w> Now I don't have USB
[16:17] <xubuntu24w> And this problem only happens with this net
[16:18] <diogenes_> xubuntu24w, try: sudo systemctl restart NetworkManager
[16:20] <xubuntu24w> The same problem
[16:22] <xubuntu24w> If I put the mouse above the net icon it says : asking for a wired net connection
[16:22] <xubuntu24w> Im not very well with English and I have the system in another idiom
[16:23] <diogenes_> xubuntu24w, might be the networc card issue with the computer
[16:23] <xubuntu24w> But that what I said is something like the pc says
[16:23] <xubuntu24w> And what can I do?
[16:25] <diogenes_> xubuntu24w, to go to the service center
[16:25] <diogenes_> and replace the card
[16:26] <xubuntu24w> The phisic card
[16:26] <xubuntu24w> ?
[16:26] <diogenes_> yes
[16:26] <xubuntu24w> Omg
[16:26] <xubuntu24w> 😂
[16:27] <soreau> xubuntu24w: it's not impossible that it could be a driver bug too
[16:27] <soreau> xubuntu24w: What is the output of 'lspci|grep -i Ethernet'?
[16:28] <xubuntu24w> My pc have 4 years, I have had Windows and it has worked, but I decided to put xubuntu
[16:28] <xubuntu24w> Pc is 4 years *
[16:28] <soreau> the hardware is most likely ok
[16:29] <xubuntu24w> And its a pc portable
[16:29] <soreau> xubuntu24w: What is the output of 'lspci|grep -i Ethernet'?
[16:31] <xubuntu24w> Realtek semiconductor Co. Ltd RTL8101/2/6E PCI express
[16:32] <xubuntu24w> Fast/gigabit ethernet controller (rev 07)
[16:32] <soreau> xubuntu24w: Can you try 'sudo dhclient eth0'?
[16:33] <soreau> well, it might not be eth0, check 'ifconfig'
[16:33] <soreau> xubuntu24w: or just 'sudo dhclient'
[16:35] <xubuntu24w> It says operation not possible due to RF-Kill
[16:35] <soreau> interesting
[16:35] <soreau> sec
[16:35] <xubuntu24w> And if I put dhclient eth0 it says that cannot find device
[16:35] <soreau> yes no problem
[16:36] <xubuntu24w> Ok, I will be waiting
[16:37] <soreau> xubuntu24w: 'sudo rfkill unblock all' and then 'sudo dhclient'
[16:38] <xubuntu24w> One question, what is rfkill?
[16:39] <soreau> radio frequency kill
[16:39] <soreau> it's probably trying to dhclient on the wifi device too
[16:40] <xubuntu24w> I put it
[16:40] <xubuntu24w> But nothing
[16:41] <soreau> ok, can you connect to wifi and then run 'sudo apt-get install r8168-dkms'?
[16:43] <xubuntu24w_> It is a driver
[16:43] <xubuntu24w_> Sorrau
[16:43] <soreau> yes
[16:43] <xubuntu24w_> Ok
[16:43] <xubuntu24w_> Can you pass me the name again
[16:43] <soreau> sudo apt-get install r8168-dkms
[16:46] <xubuntu24w_> It is installing
[16:47] <xubuntu24w_> Ok is installed
[16:48] <xubuntu24w_> And the same problem
[16:50] <xubuntu24w_> Hello?
[16:50] <soreau> you might have to download and build one of these drivers https://www.realtek.com/en/component/zoo/advanced-search/280?Itemid=276 but I'm not sure which one exactly
[16:50] <xubuntu24w_> Omg
[16:51] <xubuntu24w_> 😂
[16:53] <xubuntu24w_> Van o un installed the other driver
[16:53] <xubuntu24w_> The r8168-dkms
[16:53] <xubuntu24w_> Can i*
[16:53] <soreau> yes
[16:54] <soreau> oh hm
[16:54] <soreau> it's probably the one for 8106
[16:55] <soreau> but only supports up to kernel 4.15 apparently
[16:55] <soreau> xubuntu24w_: what does 'uname -r' say?
[16:57] <xubuntu24w> What driver
[16:58] <soreau> xubuntu24w: what does 'uname -r' say?
[16:58] <xubuntu24w> The r8106-dkms
[16:58] <xubuntu24w> Una unamer?
[16:58] <soreau> no it's a command to show kernel version
[16:59] <soreau> run it in terminal
[17:00] <xubuntu24w> It DONT recognize the command
[17:00] <xubuntu24w> Dont *
[17:00] <soreau> you're probably typoing
[17:00] <soreau> xubuntu24w: just type 'uname -r' without quotes
[17:00] <xubuntu24w> Can you send it again?
[17:01] <xubuntu24w> Only the command
[17:01] <soreau> uname -r
[17:04] <xubuntu24w_> It says
[17:04] <xubuntu24w_> 4.14.0-45-generic
[17:04] <xubuntu24w_> 4.15.0-45-generic*
[17:04] <soreau> xubuntu24w_: ok, go here and download "2.5G Ethernet LINUX driver r8125 for kernel up to 4.15" https://www.realtek.com/en/component/zoo/category/network-interface-controllers-10-100-1000m-gigabit-ethernet-pci-express-software
[17:05] <soreau> I think they require you to enter an email
[17:05] <xubuntu24w_> Ok I will do it tomorrow then
[17:05] <xubuntu24w_> Thanks for The help
[17:06] <soreau> yea it looks like a driver problem
[17:06] <soreau> xubuntu24w_: it might already be fixed in later versions of xubuntu
[17:06] <soreau> but no way to tell without testing
[17:06] <xubuntu24w_> One Last question
[17:06] <xubuntu24w_> After download that
[17:06] <xubuntu24w_> I have to installed it,, but how?
[17:07] <xubuntu24w_> Sudo apt-get install (what?)
[17:07] <soreau> xubuntu24w_: extract it, change into the directory on the command line and run './autogen.sh && make && sudo make install'
[17:08] <soreau> but you'd want to run 'lsmod' on the driver to make sure it supports your card
[17:08] <soreau> it might be the r8168 link there
[17:08] <soreau> hard to tell
[17:09] <soreau> ultimately it will build a .ko file that is a kernel object
[17:09] <soreau> which is the driver
[17:09] <xubuntu24w_> Ok
[17:09] <xubuntu24w_> Thanks
[17:09] <soreau> np, best of wishes
[17:10] <soreau> also
[17:10] <soreau> xubuntu24w_: see this too https://askubuntu.com/questions/770368/realtek-ethernet-driver-error-ubuntu-16-04
[17:11] <soreau> there is a guy that talks about even further steps after installing the driver
[17:11] <soreau> for your specific chi[
[17:11] <soreau> chip
[17:11] <xubuntu24w_> Ok thanks
[21:39] <MannyLNJ> Hello on 18.04 where do I enable screen sharing?
[21:56] <MannyLNJ> Hello on xubuntu 18.04 where do I enable screen sharing for VNC?
[21:59] <brainwash> MannyLNJ: VNC isn't installed by default
[21:59] <MannyLNJ> brainwash, ahh thats my issue then
[22:00] <brainwash> probably best to follow some guide


[00:46] <Nafai> slightly off topic, but any recommendations on what bindings to use to create a dbus service with Python?
[00:47] <Nafai> I'm trying to move to using gobject introspection for my other gtk/gobject type stuff
[03:58] <cdbs> jbicha: I'm using Oneiric, are you using Natty?
[03:59] <cdbs> jbicha: The package split happened yesterday on *oneiric* and not *natty*
[04:01] <Omega> cdbs: How do you switch to Oneiric?
[04:02] <cdbs> Omega: (the usual not-for-production-systems warnings) sudo sed -i s/natty/oneiric/g /etc/apt/sources.list (disable PPAs) sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:02] <cdbs> Omega: Right now Oneiric isn't installable, there are mismatching dependencies
[04:02] <cdbs> Omega: Since I was already on it before it went uninstallable, I'm on a stable system right now
[04:03] <cdbs> Omega: onl[y problem I'm facing, when I disconnect a USB drive, I get a kernel panic :)
[04:03] <Omega> Oh dear ):
[04:03] <Omega> Will PPAs get disabled?
[04:04] <Omega> When will launchpad start building for oneiric too?
[04:09] <cdbs> Omega: It depends on th PPA maintainer
[04:09] <cdbs> Omega: Maintainers can get packages for oneiric built right now itself, just that no one has taken an interest in it as there are no users
[05:35] <jbicha> cdbs: no, I'm on Oneiric, I haven't upgraded perl of course
[05:43] <user_contrary> what % of upgraders to nn prefer unity to classic atm?
[11:45] <cjohnston> kenvandine: has the internet gotten any better?
[12:04] <vish> cjohnston: in the lobby it is good..
[12:04] <vish> well, not bad atleast :p
[17:26] <Nafai> It sure would have been fun to be at UDS
[18:16] <axisys> i am running google-earth .. but it does not show up in the launcher.. how do I access it
[18:48] <xapantu> axisys, support channel is #ubuntu ;)
[21:02] <sbte> hey, does anyone know why the hide() function for the indicator server doesn't seem to do anything?
[21:03] <sbte> i'm developing emesene and some people want to use a normal tray icon or indicator instead of the memenu
[21:03] <sbte> the line where the function is called is here: https://github.com/emesene/emesene/blob/master/emesene/gui/gtkui/MessagingMenu.py#L96
[21:04] <sbte> after calling the function, the entry for emesene is still there


[08:07] <dpm> good morning everyone!
[08:07] <andrejz> morning!
[08:09] <dpm> hey andrejz :)
[08:15] <andrejz> dpm, tell me when you have time so i can bug you about apt-all
[08:15] <andrejz> ;)
[08:16] <dpm> hey andrejz, sure, let me go through my inbox first and then we'll have a look :)
[08:16] <andrejz> pl
[08:16] <andrejz> ok
[08:27] <TLE> dpm: how are we doing on the updates?
[08:27] <TLE> Liked the show yesterday by the way ;)
[08:29] <dpm> TLE, thanks! glad you liked it :-)
[08:29] <dpm> TLE, so here's what's happened with the updates:
[08:29] <dpm> (I'm talking to jtv and henninge about it right now)
[08:30] <dpm> it seems that the maverick export did not run (or rather it was killed I'm told), so the PPA package could not be built either
[08:31] <dpm> See the missing delta langpack on the 1st of Dec:
[08:31] <dpm> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+language-packs
[08:32] <dpm> And we're trying to figure out what went wrong as we speak
[08:33] <dpm> which is extremely bad luck, considering that all the other exports to date run fine, and the one we want to test did not happen :/
[08:34] <andrejz> dpm, actually is good because now you can help me fix the bug, before language pack is updated
[08:35] <andrejz> :)
[08:35] <dpm> andrejz, hahaha, that's the spirit, always look on the bright side :-)
[08:37] <andrejz> so my problem is that on 2010-11-19 a packages has been uploaded from somewhere to apt-all
[08:37] <andrejz> or one of the apt packages
[08:37] <andrejz> Michael Voigt is listed as a translator, so i assume this has been done automatically
[08:37] <andrejz> The problem is that the encoding in those files was incorrect
[08:38] <andrejz> So all non-latin characters are not displayed properly
[08:38] <andrejz> The list of wrong strings can be seen here - https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/apt/+pots/apt/sl/+filter?person=mvo
[08:39] <dpm> andrejz, ok, let's have a look (btw, this might have to be solved with a package upload rather than a language pack, apt's translations are a bit special, but more of that in a bit)
[08:39] <andrejz> Letters like Ă shouldn't be there
[08:41] <artnay> andrejz: will it fallback to english if there's Ă's and Ă's etc.?
[08:42] <andrejz> artnay: I don't understand the question
[08:43] <dpm> andrejz, when did you notice this happening? It seems that there hasn't been any post-release apt upload looking at the changelog -> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/apt/+changelog (I'm just trying to determine when it happened first)
[08:43] <artnay> andrejz: nevermind, I just looked at your link
[08:44] <andrejz> Launchpad site says these strigns have been modified by Michael Voigt ob 2010-11-19
[08:44] <andrejz> see here
[08:44] <andrejz> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/apt/+pots/apt-all/sl/+translate
[08:44] <artnay> andrejz: so those strings are displayed even though there's extra characters?
[08:45] <andrejz> it should be displayed like this
[08:45] <andrejz> Paket %s razliÄice %s ima nerazreĹĄene odvisnosti:
[08:45] <andrejz> see the "ĹĄ" letter
[08:45] <andrejz> that's a special letter in slavic languages
[08:45] <andrejz> and also "Ä"
[08:46] <andrejz> but now the string is - Paket %s razliĂÂica %s ima nereĂÂene odvisnosti
[08:46] <dpm> andrejz, ah, that's probably due to message sharing: probably a Natty upload has imported new strings and they've been propagated to Maverick. So the important question is: on a Slovenian Maverick system, are apt strings ok? I'm guessing yes, because there hasn't been any update (either apt or language pack) since the release.
[08:47] <andrejz> yes they are (if one doesn't use language pack ppa)
[08:48] <andrejz> but now the language pack is going to be updated for all
[08:49] <dpm> andrejz, ok, let me explain what we can do. But first of all, I've just noticed this on the upstream apt translations:
[08:50] <dpm> "Last-Translator: Jure Cuhalev <gandalf (AT) owca (DOT) info>\n"
[08:50] <dpm> "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2\n"
[08:50] <dpm> You might want to get in touch with him to use UTF-8 encoding
[08:51] <dpm> oh, and it seems to be pretty old as well:
[08:51] <dpm> "PO-Revision-Date: 2005-02-16 22:18+0100\n"
[08:51] <andrejz> I think he is not translating actively anymore, this was probably uploaded by someone else
[08:51] <andrejz> yup as you said
[08:52] <andrejz> i know he is not active because a debian translator asked if could export our translations for Debian (which i did)
[08:53] <dpm> ah that's really cool, nice to see Debian people reusing the work of Ubuntu translators :-)
[08:53] <andrejz> is there anything else I can do, besides downloading .po, manually fixing it and importing it back?
[08:54] <dpm> andrejz, so here's my suggestion:
[08:56] <dpm> 1) file a bug against apt, explaining what's happened. Don't forget to mention the date you saw this happening and that this is probably due to a package upload in Natty importing translations and these translations being "message-shared" with Maverick. Don't forget to add a task for the 'ubuntu-translations' project in the bug
[08:56] <dpm> 2) Install the latest Maverick PPA package to test if the problem is present there: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-langpack/+archive/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=sl&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=maverick
[08:57] <andrejz> yes it is present here, that's how i noticed it
[08:57] <andrejz> in update manager for example
[08:57] <dpm> andrejz, ok, then ignore 2) and let's concentrate on the bug first :-)
[08:58] <dpm> andrejz, ok let me quickly think what we can do to fix the strings in LP in the meantime
[08:59] <andrejz> ok
[08:59] <andrejz> be back in 10 mins
[09:05] <andrejz> back
[09:17] <andrejz> dpm, i can download the .po file, translate /fix it and then reimport it.
[09:21] <andrejz> i just want to know if it will be fast enought for the next language pack update
[09:26] <dpm> andrejz, I'd suggest doing that, but rather than fixing it manually, I'm trying to see if I can give you a correct version of the PO file to save you some work (unless you already have one).
[09:32] <andrejz> is it possible to prevent this from happening in the future ?
[09:39] <dpm> andrejz, this looks to me like a bug either in Natty's apt package or in the apt translation. I believe fixing the translation and making it be UTF-8 should fix it
[09:39] <dpm> andrejz, ok, so I hope this helps:
[09:40] <dpm> Here is the correct PO file, from the language pack before the final maverick one (I couldn't get a quick download link for it, but the pre-final apt translations should be fine):
[09:40] <dpm>   http://ubuntuone.com/p/Rx6/
[09:41] <dpm> And in case you want to compare, here are the translations for the latest export (the one with the wrong translations):
[09:41] <dpm>   http://ubuntuone.com/p/RxB/
[09:42] <dpm> I've included all apt* translations, in case you want to check them all out
[09:43] <dpm> The only thing you need to do is to check the translations from http://ubuntuone.com/p/Rx6/ and if they're ok upload them choosing "imported translation". You might only need to upload apt-all, I haven't checked in more detail.
[09:44] <dpm> Hm, and also looking at the apt source package, it seems that there are other templates as well. Could you also check that the other 2 templates (lib*) are ok?:
[09:44] <dpm> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/apt
[09:45] <andrejz> i will
[09:45] <andrejz> thanks for the files, dpm
[09:45] <dpm> Anyway, I need to get onto something else now, I hope this helps you solving your problem
[09:45] <dpm> no worries :)
[09:46] <dpm> btw, you can always get them from here: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+language-packs but they're ~200 - 500 MB, and it might take a while to download them. I just thought that having a direct connection with the canonical server I could download them quicker for you
[09:54] <andrejz> hm, loooking at the files, i see all of them are ok
[09:54] <andrejz> so i can simply re-upload them and everything will be fine
[10:01] <dpm> andrejz, that's really strange. The latest export should have contained the files with the wrong encoding, which are the ones converted to .mo and shipped in the language packs :/
[10:02] <dpm> andrejz, before uploading, could you please export the PO file from Launchpad and compare it?
[10:02] <andrejz> i have already downloaded .pot and will update with it
[10:07] <dpm> I'm not sure I follow. why did you download the .pot file? Would it not have been easier to downoad the .po file and compare it?
[11:10] <TLE> dpm: ahh ok, then what, we move eveything 1 week?, I guess you don't want to do a manual export and build?
[11:12] <dpm> TLE, yes, I'd suggest that, especially because it's a long Bank Holiday next week here and I won't be back until Thursday (but in time to do the call for testing)
[11:57] <TLE> ok, I'll update the schedule and push everything forward one week
[11:57] <TLE> dpm: ^^
[11:58] <dpm> TLE, sounds good, thanks. I'm still talking to the LP guys to see if there is anything else to be done
[11:58] <dpm> I saw you updated the work items on the spec, btw, thanks for that as well :-)
[12:00] <TLE> ahh np :: calendar and wiki updated
[12:05] <dpm> ok :)
[12:26] <dpm> TLE, on Wednesday there is a Launchpad rollout, which might conflict with the export. So we're trying to schedule an export for Sunday to make sure it happens. Just a FYI, the calendar and the wiki can remain the same (the PPA should be built as scheduled on Wednesday)
[12:38] <TLE> dpm: ok
[13:53] <gtriderxc> is there any english native speaker here??
[13:53] <gtriderxc> who could help me??
[13:55] <gtriderxc> "Sequin DNA Sequence Submission Tool" is there anyone who could help me to understand this string??
[13:58] <TLE> I'm not a senglish speaker but I think I can
[13:58] <gtriderxc> it is from Ubuntu software center
[13:59] <gtriderxc> do You think the word SUMISSION comes from "submit"
[14:00] <TLE> It looks like the description for: a tool to submit DNA sequences of the type sequin
[14:00] <gtriderxc> sequin is the name of the program
[14:00] <TLE> ahh ok, yes I think it comes from submit
[14:01] <gtriderxc> I'll try to google it out but it is not so easy
[14:01] <TLE> if it can do some calculations one them, then when you start a simulation you often say the you submit it
[14:02] <gtriderxc> ok, tnaks. I think I got it
[14:19] <gtriderxc> ARC Job Submission Tool
[14:19] <gtriderxc> Grid Job Management Tool
[14:19] <gtriderxc> does anyone know what does Grid mean in this case??
[14:20] <gtriderxc> "This is a graphical user interface for the Advanced Resource Connector (ARC) grid middleware client. It offers among other things bulk job handling and easy job description creation."
[14:21] <gtriderxc> no idea for a Polish desription for a Software Center
[14:32] <askhl> gtriderxc: hi.  `grid jobs' are most likely calculations that are submitted to a `grid' of computers
[14:32] <askhl> see `grid computing'
[14:32] <askhl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grid_computing
[14:32] <gtriderxc> ok, found
[14:32] <gtriderxc> thanks a lot!
[14:33] <askhl> Right, ARC is related to NorduGrid which is exactly that sort of thing
[14:35] <gtriderxc> I'm finishing the translation of software center and all the sweatest cakes left so I'm gonna need some help from time to time
[14:51] <dpm> hey, is there anyone around that can help me with a quick test before opening natty translations?
[14:51] <gtriderxc> i can
[14:55] <dpm> great, thanks gtriderxc -> ok, can you try if you can access https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty?
[14:56] <gtriderxc> yes I can
[14:56] <gtriderxc> but there are
[14:57] <gtriderxc> 5 languages only
[14:57] <askhl> gtriderxc: isn't it because you have 5 preferred languages?
[14:57] <dpm> that's probably because you haven't chosen your preferred languages or you are not logged into Launchpad. In any case, you should be able to click on the link near the bottom to show all languages
[14:57] <askhl> gtriderxc: I see the whole list when I expand it
[14:58] <gtriderxc> just a sec
[14:58] <dpm> That helped already, thanks gtriderxc and askhl, I can now officially open Natty translations! \o/
[14:58] <gtriderxc> i'll sign out
[14:58] <gtriderxc> actually I am signed out
[14:59] <askhl> wohoo
[15:00] <gtriderxc> :)
[15:05] <dpm> there you go -> please anyone feel free to retweet: http://twitter.com/#!/ubuntul10n/status/10710720010256384
[15:05] <dpm> (can't seem to get the identi.ca feed work with gwibber)
[15:18] <gtriderxc> "Identify differences in the API exposed by mono library assemblies."
[15:18] <gtriderxc> what are  mono library assemblies.
[15:19] <gtriderxc> ??
[15:20] <gtriderxc> or what is a mono library??
[15:20] <gtriderxc> wikipedia doesn't know that
[15:20] <gtriderxc> google as well
[15:24] <dpm> gtriderxc, Mono: http://www.mono-project.com/Languages
[15:25] <gtriderxc> thanks
[15:25] <dpm> well, better: http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page
[17:24] <gtriderxc> can anyone explain to me how should I know which string is which when translating Software Center (app-install-data). I stucked at Seamonkey Composer. in a soft center we've got two lines: upper with bigger letters and a lower one which should be a program description
[17:24] <gtriderxc> what about seamonkey??
[17:24] <gtriderxc> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/app-install-data-ubuntu/+pots/app-install-data/pl/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=Seamonkey
[17:25] <gtriderxc> I'd love to give a Polish desription but i do not know whether the string which I'm gonna translate is a name string or a description string
[17:26] <gtriderxc> I know there are h1 and h2 I do not trust them anymore
[17:26] <gtriderxc> *but I do not trust ...
[17:28] <dpm> gtriderxc, you can try with nightmonkey to see which description is which:
[17:28] <dpm> http://nightmonkey.ubuntu.hu/
[17:29] <gtriderxc> ok but
[17:29] <gtriderxc> the thing I do not uderstand is
[17:30] <gtriderxc> that when i put "seamonkey" into a search engine it gives me back only h1 for example
[17:31] <gtriderxc> now if i open the soft centre and i can see SEAMONKEY COMPOSER as a h1 and SEAMONKEY COMPOSER as a h2
[17:31] <gtriderxc> but on launchpad is only h1
[17:32] <dpm> Does it really make a difference for Seamonkey where the string is shown in this case?
[17:33] <gtriderxc> no, but why there is only one on Launchpad??
[17:35] <gtriderxc> i'm unable to give a Polish decription in this case
[17:37] <dpm> it might well be that they are the same string in Launchpad
[17:38] <dpm> and used in two places in Software Center
[17:38] <gtriderxc> ok, thanks