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[03:30] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[03:36] <jml> mpt: :D
[05:35] <Hobbsee> bah.  i still hate the way that launchpad handles the kde bugtracker.  i should really file a bug
[06:10] <ubotu> New bug: #117677 in soyuz "PPA uploads appear equal to normal uploads in distro `Latest Uploads' listing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117677
[06:20] <Hobbsee> what????
[06:20] <Hobbsee> there's no duplicate bug header.
[06:54] <mpt> Hobbsee, did you report the bug about the KDE bugtracker?
[06:54] <Hobbsee> mpt: no.  i've been trying to figure out where it's getting that info - if it's a pebkac error, and just unclear, or what
[06:55] <mpt> Common pebkac error = interface design error
[06:56] <Hobbsee> true that
[06:56] <Hobbsee> there's only one upstream bugtracker for kde, so there's no need for a kdebase contact, kdepim, and whatever else - which is still missing some packages anyway
[06:57] <mpt> What's a "kdebase contact"?
[06:57] <Hobbsee> nfi
[06:57] <Hobbsee> upstream for kdebase
[06:58] <Hobbsee> ah ha!  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/85303/+add-affected-product?field.product=kdebase is correct
[06:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 85303 in kdebase "No warning before reboot, when harddrive full" [High,Confirmed]
[06:58] <Hobbsee> just why cant we do that for all kde packages, easily?
[06:59] <Hobbsee> that's the way it's supposed to work
[06:59] <Hobbsee> although, then https://bugs.launchpad.net/kdebase/+bugs is created, which is odd.  kdebase upstream is not using launchpad to track it's bugs
[07:09] <Hobbsee> mpt: i'm slightly hesitant to report a bug until i figure out what it's actually trying to do
[07:11] <mpt> That page should have a disclaimer saying something like "These are only bug reports that Launchpad tracks because of their relationship to bug reports on software that uses Launchpad for bug tracking. See _KDE's bug tracker_ for a complete list of bugs in upstream kdebase."
[07:11] <mpt> or something much less wordy than that.
[07:12] <Hobbsee> i'm more wanting to know why there isnt a kde project or something that means you can just "mark as upstream", pick kde, not kdebase, or whatever k* looks interesting, and add the URL.
[07:14] <Hobbsee> mpt: but something like that'd be good.  mind you, it's hard to find that page anyway.
[07:14] <Hobbsee> i think a list of all kde upstream bugs might not be so bad anyway.  *shrug*
[08:56] <SteveA> morning!
[09:39] <dholbach> good morning
[09:39] <dholbach> can somebody take care of https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/6626 ?
[09:55] <carlos> morning
[11:53] <dholbach> can somebody take care of https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/6626 ?
[11:55] <mrevell> dholbach: I'll mail salgado, I think he's the person who could do that.
[11:55] <dholbach> alrighty
[11:55] <dholbach> thanks mrevell
[11:55] <mrevell> dholbach: np :)
[12:00] <ubotu> New bug: #117723 in soyuz "override generation broken for gutsy" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117723
[02:17] <jam-laptop> hi all. Does anyone know how to clear out spam from the Q&A section?
[02:17] <jam-laptop> https://answers.launchpad.net/bzr/+question/7363
[02:17] <jam-laptop> seems to have a lot of port spam
[02:17] <jam-laptop> porn spam
[02:18] <jam-laptop> Originally, they had put it in an edited form of the original question
[02:18] <jam-laptop> but they seem to have gone for a comment
[02:18] <jam-laptop> which needs to be removed
[02:18] <jam-laptop> and probably the user needs to be banned
[02:21] <kiko> jam-laptop, I'll talk to tom about it.
[02:21] <jam-laptop> kiko: thanks
[02:22] <vorian> how do you "run update" on a bzr branch?
[02:22] <jam-laptop> 'bzr update path/to/branch"
[02:22] <vorian> ty jam-laptop :)
[02:36] <ubotu> New bug: #117741 in launchpad "need ability to flag and hide off-topic comments" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117741
[03:01] <siretart> cprov: excuse me, https://dogfood.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/ffmpeg/3:0.svn20070525-0ubuntu1~ppa3 is broken, and I think it should show my ppa upload
[03:01] <siretart> hi Hobbsee
[03:01] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:02] <cprov> siretart: just a second and I will check that for you
[03:02] <cprov> siretart: pages should not work for ppa
[03:03] <siretart> cprov: well, then they shouldn't be linked from https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~siretart/+packages
[03:03] <siretart> cprov: is there any way to see a list of packages, along with their build logs from some page in launchpad/
[03:03] <cprov> siretart: yes, they should not
[03:03] <siretart> ?
[03:04] <cprov> siretart: not yet, no UI for PPA other than the builder history and spread build records
[03:05] <cprov> siretart: sorry for that, I thought I was clear about the current lack of specific UI for PPAs
[03:05] <siretart> cprov: no problem
[03:05] <siretart> cprov: can you remove packages from my ppa for me?
[03:06] <cprov> siretart: only if you say that it's mandatory ;)
[03:07] <cprov> siretart: right now, it's quite time consuming (I'm still working on the script or removals)
[03:08] <siretart> no, its just that I made a mistake, and I don't want to update ffmpeg to 20070525, but stay at 20070303 for now. it would be great if I could test it in my ppa
[03:08] <siretart> cprov: no problem, leave it. would be great if you could ping me if you want to test your removal script when you get to it ;)
[03:09] <cprov> siretart: sure, will do
[03:55] <ubotu> New bug: #117752 in malone "Any logged in user can delete any attachments" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117752
[04:01] <BjornT> time for this week's non-au reviewer meeting
[04:01] <BjornT> == Agenda ==
[04:01] <BjornT>  * Roll call
[04:01] <BjornT>  * Next meeting
[04:01] <BjornT>  * Queue status
[04:01] <BjornT>  * Other business
[04:01] <BjornT> who's here?
[04:01] <flacoste> me<
[04:01] <bac> me
[04:02] <salgado> me
[04:02] <statik> me
[04:03] <flacoste> barry: ping
[04:03] <BjornT> barry might still be on the phone with sabdfl
[04:04] <BjornT> == Next meeting ==
[04:05] <BjornT> next meeting will be 2007-06-06 at 1400 UTC as usual.
[04:06] <BjornT> == Queue status ==
[04:07] <BjornT> there are 13 (same as last week) open reviews, 6 of them are slightly over the 2 day service target.
[04:07] <BjornT> SteveA: you still have mpt's text-change branch in your queue, which is more than one month old.
[04:07] <flacoste> and one of those is unassigned
[04:08] <BjornT> oh, right, that's the one statik rejected.
[04:08] <BjornT> i'll re-assign it after the meeting.
[04:09] <BjornT> overall the queue doesn't look too bad, though, but please review your branches soon salgado and barry
[04:10] <BjornT> == Other business ==
[04:10] <BjornT> anything else?
[04:10] <salgado> I'll do mine today
[04:10] <BjornT> thanks salgado
[04:11] <BjornT> ok, that's it, short meeting today. meeting ended.
[04:11] <BjornT> thanks for coming!
[04:11] <salgado> thanks BjornT
[04:12] <statik> thanks BjornT
[04:16] <barry> just got off the phone w/sabdfl.  i'll review my branch today.
[05:17] <bdmurray> bug 92488 seems to have gotten some spam
[05:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 92488 in Ubuntu "Lost USB Cable Modem Detection After Dapper" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92488 - Assigned to Brian Murray (brian-murray)
[05:18] <bdmurray> but the user account seems / was okay at one point
[05:36] <jam-laptop> mthaddon: ping
[05:37] <mthaddon> jam-laptop: pong
[05:37] <jam-laptop> mthaddon: thanks for deleting the spam. I was just curious what the standard procedure for that sort of thing is
[05:38] <mthaddon> at the moment, notifying admins will get spam comments deleted, but we're working on a better infrastructure for this...
[05:38] <jam-laptop> k
[05:49] <SteveA> mthaddon: I'd like to talk with you about writing some scripts to analyze the launchpad logs, and get the IP addresses used by the spammers, so we can consider banning those addresses
[05:50] <mthaddon> SteveA: sounds good - want to do that now or later/part of infra meeting?
[05:50] <ubotu> New bug: #117780 in soyuz "packages unnecessarily symlinked to other component" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117780
[05:51] <SteveA> mthaddon: tomorrow in the meeting please
[05:51] <mthaddon> great
[07:13] <salgado> flacoste_lunch, can you review https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/pending-reviews/salgado/launchpad/bug-65488/full-diff for me today?
[07:39] <flacoste> salgado: no problem, what is the bug that this branch address?
[07:40] <salgado> bug 65488
[07:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 65488 in launchpad "Need a whiteboard for distribution mirrors" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/65488 - Assigned to Guilherme Salgado (salgado)
[07:43] <flacoste> salgado: i have a few small things to finish first and i'll be on your review next, expect a reply later this afternoon
[07:43] <salgado> cool. thanks a lot, flacoste
[08:38] <seb128> hey
[08:38] <seb128> kiko: around?
[08:38] <kiko> seb128, yeah
[08:38] <seb128> kiko: do you know what's going on with bugs nominated for gutsy and access control?
[08:39] <seb128> it's pretty frustrating to have people opening random ones and not been able to clean them
[08:39] <kiko> seb128, you can reject them, and drivers can deny nomination -- matsubara, can you chat a bit with seb128 to see what his concern is?
[08:40] <matsubara> seb128: do you have an example?
[08:42] <seb128> matsubara: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/117814
[08:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117814 in pidgin "upgrade pidgin to 2.0.1" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[08:42] <seb128> I used to have accept/deny next to the nomination text
[08:48] <BjornT> seb128: only drivers can accept/deny nominations atm, it has always been like that. you probably were in the driver team before.
[08:48] <BjornT> seb128: this will change in the next rollout, though; then all uploaders will get permission to accept/deny nominations.
[08:49] <seb128> BjornT: ok, thanks, that has been discussed on the list but I was not sure of what changes were planned now and for when
[09:06] <keescook> so, who is able to approve release nominations now?
[09:07] <matsubara> keescook: drivers only. according to BjornT that will change in the next release. Uploaders will get the permission as well
[09:08] <keescook> matsubara: since I do security updates for all the stable releases, it would be really handy if I could approve them too.
[09:08] <keescook> what is a "driver", and does it make sense for me to be one?
[09:09] <matsubara> keescook: as an workaround I think you could be added to the Ubuntu Drivers team
[09:10] <keescook> matsubara: okay, I will ask colin about it.  thanks!
[09:10] <matsubara> BjornT: is there a bug/spec where you're tracking "uploaders should get permission to approve nominations" work?
[09:11] <LaserJock> keescook: I think ubuntu-core-dev is a driver
[09:11] <keescook> LaserJock: doesn't seem to be :(  I can't approve nominations, anyway.
[09:11] <LaserJock> or at least they were, but seb128's comment makes me wonder if that's changed
[09:16] <seb128> keescook: that has been discussed on the distro list and will be fixed with next update
[09:16] <keescook> seb128: ah, what will the solution become?
[09:16] <seb128> keescook: that's annoying not only for security, only for people targetting bugs to fix for gutsy, SRU to do, etc
[09:16] <seb128> keescook:
[09:16] <seb128> "<BjornT> seb128: only drivers can accept/deny nominations atm, it has always been like that. you probably were in the driver team before.
[09:16] <seb128>  seb128: this will change in the next rollout, though; then all uploaders will get permission to accept/deny nominations."
[09:17] <seb128> I asked like 10 minutes before you joined :p
[09:17] <keescook> Ah, I misunderstood what "uploaders" meant here.  I get it now.  thanks!
[09:19] <seb128> no problem ;)
[09:21] <ubotu> New bug: #117829 in soyuz "Allow PPA only for 'launchpad-beta-testers' members" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117829
[09:33] <BjornT> matsubara: although it's a bit misnamed maybe, this is the spec: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/malone/+spec/motu-bug-persmissions
[09:35] <matsubara> BjornT: thanks. Any plan to fix bug 114766 in this cycle as well?
[09:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 114766 in malone "Only bug contacts should be able to nominate a bug for a release" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/114766
[09:49] <kiko> matsubara, BjornT: I'm not even sure that makes sense
[09:56] <carlos> night!
[10:02] <Kmos> https://help.launchpad.net/KarmaCalculation
[10:03] <Kmos> it's normal help.launchpad.net don't check user authentication ?
[10:03] <Kmos> it says on top.. "Login"
[10:10] <kiko> Kmos, that's a separate site.
[10:10] <kiko> yes it's confusing
[10:11] <Kmos> ok
[10:23] <LaserJock> kiko: what version of launchpad is launchpad.net running now?
[10:23] <kiko> LaserJock, 1.1.5
[10:24] <LaserJock> oh really?
[10:24] <LaserJock> I thought it was older
[10:24] <LaserJock> and is beta. at 1.1.5 too or are they separate altogether
[10:25] <czr> is it possible to use launchpad to host the whole oss project?
[10:25] <czr> (sry for the stupid question, but I can't seem to find that info on the about-pages :-)
[10:30] <kiko> LaserJock, beta is frozen but I believe edge is auto-updating.
[10:35] <BjornT> matsubara: no, 114766 is not targeted for this cycle. i think it's better to see how the current system (after the next rollout) works. it might be that there's no need to fix that bug.
[10:36] <kiko> agreed
[10:39] <matsubara> BjornT: thanks. I'll add that to the report. it also answers the question I asked you there. :-)
[10:40] <LaserJock> cprov: how does PPA currently handle sending packages to different components, i.e. Universe, or does it?
[10:41] <cprov> LaserJock: it works exactly like the main soyuz, including ogre-model for building
[10:42] <cprov> LaserJock: so, you are probably going to need it at some point
[10:42] <mantiena> Hi all
[10:42] <cprov> LaserJock: have you uploaded new packages ?
[10:44] <matsubara> Kmos: bug 104848 seems fixed, btw
[10:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 104848 in hwdb-client "Bad english translation on hwdb-client" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/104848
[10:44] <matsubara> Kmos: nm me. just spotted the error.
[10:45] <Kmos> matsubara: i checked the translation and still there
[10:45] <matsubara> Kmos: yeah, my mistake. misread it
[10:46] <LaserJock> cprov: I just did that one with you on Monday
[10:47] <LaserJock> but it put it into Main, and I wondered how the PPAs will handle that
[10:47] <cprov> LaserJock: shame on you ;)
[10:47] <LaserJock> currently aren't overrides used in the Ubuntu archives?
[10:48] <LaserJock> cprov: yes, I know. and it was a FTBFS too, I should fix that ;-)
[10:48] <Kmos> https://launchpad.net/products/ -> Sorry, you can't do this right now
[10:49] <cprov> LaserJock: yes, we use auto-override in ubuntu archive, but we also support proper rich sections syntax like 'universe/misc'
[10:49] <LaserJock> ah
[10:49] <mantiena> are there any launchpad admins ? There is a big problem, which makes another Ubuntu-based distros do not use launchopad for bugs, etc
[10:50] <LaserJock> cprov: I'll give it a try next upload
[10:50] <LaserJock> mantiena: I think it's helpful to explain your problem/question, then the appropriate people can respond
[10:50] <mantiena> I'm main developer of Ubuntu-based distro - Baltix and ~2 years ago I started to use launchpad for bugs and other task
[10:51] <mantiena> but more than one year I can't register new milestone or new release in launchpad for Baltix :(
[10:51] <cprov> LaserJock: great, thanks
[10:52] <mantiena> look at https://launchpad.net/baltix/+milestones
[10:52] <mthaddon> Launchpad is down - issue with the DB server - currently working on it
[10:52] <mantiena> mthaddon: I'm talking not about this issue
[10:53] <mthaddon> mantiena: ok, I wasn't notifying just you...
[10:58] <kiko> mthaddon, garr
[11:03] <mantiena> I'm talking about forbiding to register new milestones/releases of other distros :(
[11:11] <mantiena> kiko: AFAIK you told me ~6 months ago, that maintainers of other distros will be able to use launchpad in this spring...
[11:11] <ubotu> New bug: #3158 in soyuz "policy needs extending to support > 1 binary build per upload" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3158
[11:11] <mthaddon> Launchpad is back up again - please let us know if there are any issues
[11:12] <pochu> mantiena: are you a driver for Baltix?
[11:17] <mantiena> pochu: yes
[11:18] <pochu> So you're Mantas... hi :)
[11:19] <mantiena> pochu: but problem is not only for Baltix - look at https://launchpad.net/distros - all distros, except Ubuntu don't have releases or milestones registered :(
[11:19] <mantiena> pochu: yes, hi ;)
[11:19] <pochu> mantiena: is there a bug report about it?
[11:20] <mantiena> pochu: I think so, you need the number ?
[11:21] <mantiena> pochu: btw, why you are asking my name ? You know me ?
[11:22] <pochu> mantiena: no, but there's just one Driver for Baltix, and maybe you thought you were a driver and you weren't... :)
[11:23] <mantiena> :)
[11:24] <mantiena> yea, it would be pretty strange situation if I think, that I'm a driver, but I aren't...
[11:27] <LaserJock> cprov: hmm, I uploaded a new package ~20 min ago but haven't gotten an email, package is plotdrop again
[11:28] <LaserJock> cprov: did the LP outage mess something up?
[11:28] <cprov> LaserJock: let me check
[11:28] <mantiena> so, it seems all launchpad admins are away ? :(
[11:30] <mantiena> cprov: do you get an "Forbiddent" error when go https://launchpad.net/baltix/+addrelease ?
[11:30] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[11:30] <mantiena> mpt: morning ? ;)
[11:31] <cprov> mantiena: Unauthorized, since I'm not Admin in that context
[11:31] <pochu> mantiena: Bug #58250
[11:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 58250 in launchpad "Unofficial distribution releases should not be allowed to use milestones" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/58250
[11:35] <mantiena> pochu: why this bug is unconfirmed ?
[11:36] <pochu> mantiena: because nobody has confirmed it :p
[11:36] <LaserJock> cprov: doh, rejected. is there a way to get that plotdrop package in my PPA removed?
[11:37] <cprov> LaserJock: I'm working on the archive-maintenance scripts for PPA
[11:38] <cprov> LaserJock: i.e., not right now, neither quickly
[11:38] <tormod> hi I am angry >:( My eyes are dead tired after reading minuscule text in light-gray on white background!
[11:38] <cprov> LaserJock: why was it rejected ?
[11:38] <tormod> this has been complained about since the "new" launchpad was pushed on us
[11:38] <tormod> what's the reason for not doing anything about it?
[11:39] <tormod> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/87471
[11:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 87471 in launchpad "Grey text is unnecessarily difficult to read" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[11:42] <LaserJock> cprov: because I used a Debian version number on the first upload
[11:43] <LaserJock> cprov: since this is just messing around I'll just bump the version up so it's bigger than the first one ;-)
[11:44] <cprov> LaserJock: you could also use new epoch, but simply bumping the version will do too
[11:47] <LaserJock> cprov: it was just a -1 vs -0ubuntu1, I just made it -1ubuntu1
[11:49] <cprov> LaserJock: your PPA, your rules ;)
[11:49] <LaserJock> mwuahahaha
[11:49] <LaserJock> ^^ evil laugh
[11:50] <cprov> LaserJock: ehe


[00:00] <Unit193> I still had 2 weeks!
[00:02] <Cheri703> gilbert: the send keys directions aren't working for me
[00:02] <Cheri703> from that page
[00:04] <gilbert> http://subkeys.pgp.net/ looks broken itself :(
[00:04] <Cheri703> ah, k
[00:04] <gilbert> try pgp.mit.edu
[00:05] <Cheri703> that may be the issue? I keep getting "cheri francis is not a key id" and yet on the webpage, it says to put gpg --send-keys 'Your Name' --keyserver hkp://subkeys.pgp.net
[00:05] <Cheri703> so somewhere there is a disconnect between the directions and what I'm typing, it is entirely possible that it's me and how I'm reading it
[00:06] <gilbert> make sure you maintain proper capitalization
[00:06] <Cheri703> I did the first few attempts
[00:06] <gilbert> same as output of 'gpg --list-keys'
[00:06] <Cheri703> should it have the 'around' the name?
[00:07] <gilbert> yes
[00:07] <Cheri703> same thing
[00:08] <gilbert> try using your email instead of your name
[00:08] <Cheri703> same in varying configurations and even name + email
[00:09] <Cheri703> and using the pgp.mit.edu
[00:09] <gilbert> try just email
[00:09] <Cheri703> list keys shows "uid Cheri Francis<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:09] <Cheri703> did that
[00:09] <Cheri703> did it with and without the <> too
[00:10] <Cheri703> it just says "not a key id: skipping" and repeats that for each other section of the command
[00:10] <gilbert> try using your fingerprint (the characterstring after pub 1024d/)
[00:10] <Cheri703> k
[00:11] <Cheri703> maybe it worked?
[00:11] <Cheri703>  gpg --send-keys '7D79CA11' --keyserver hkp://pgp.mit.edugpg: "--keyserver" not a key ID: skipping
[00:11] <Cheri703> gpg: "hkp://pgp.mit.edu" not a key ID: skipping
[00:11] <Cheri703> gpg: sending key 7D79CA11 to hkp server keys.gnupg.net
[00:12] <Cheri703> there should be a new line after mit.edu
[00:13] <gilbert> it worked http://keys.gnupg.net/pks/lookup?search=cheri+francis&op=index
[00:13] <Cheri703> ok
[00:13] <gilbert> the command order is wrong in those instructions it seems.  keyserver needs to come first
[00:13] <Cheri703> kk, weird
[00:13] <Cheri703> might send that to the list as well
[00:14] <Unit193> The guide on Launchpad wasn't bad...
[00:14] <Cheri703> thanks for your help :)
[00:15] <gilbert> no problem :)
[00:21] <gilbert> going afk for a while
[00:26] <Cheri703> http://thedailywh.at/2011/05/29/look-at-this-dog-paddling-dog-of-the-day/
[01:13] <Unit193> Welcome back jgould!
[01:14] <Unit193> And dang hitting the wrong keys!
[01:39] <Unit193> Hmmm.... X :0 is taking up 42% cpu
[01:48] <MarkDude> Hello Ohio
[01:48] <MarkDude> paultag, ping
[01:48]  * MarkDude wanted to know if you would help/observe me leading Oregons 1st IRC meeting in a few years
[01:48] <MarkDude> Should take ten minutes- maybe 15
[01:49]  * jgould wanders in
[01:50] <MarkDude> 7pm my time
[01:50] <MarkDude> hello jgould
[01:50] <jgould> 'Ello
[01:50] <MarkDude> I am in Cali- I stop by to bug the Ohio team every so often
[01:50] <jgould> that would be 10PM our time if they are in the westren part of OR
[01:51] <MarkDude> Since they are one of the coolest- which is weird- since I thought Cleveland would be more of a detriment
[01:51]  * MarkDude kids
[01:51] <MarkDude> :)
[01:53] <jgould> appearantly, I have a doggie top computer now...
[01:55] <jgould> The dog has his head in my lap and won't move...
[01:57] <Cheri703> o/ MarkDude
[01:57] <jgould> \o Cheri703
[01:57] <Unit193> Howdy MarkDude (I've seen you on wiki edits)
[01:58] <Cheri703> hey jgould
[01:58] <Cheri703> how's cbus?
[01:59] <MarkDude> Hello Cheri703 Unit193
[01:59] <jgould> it was nice the last time I was out (at 7 this morning)
[01:59] <Cheri703> heh
[01:59]  * MarkDude gets around :)
[01:59] <jgould> How's up north
[01:59] <Cheri703> reasonable
[01:59] <Cheri703> it was hot today
[02:00] <Cheri703> MarkDude: are you coming out for OLF?
[02:00] <MarkDude> That penguin thing you shared was awesome Cheri703 - I am pondering doing a blog post on it
[02:00] <MarkDude> When is OLF?
[02:00]  * MarkDude had to miss SELF this year- not happy about it
[02:00] <MarkDude> Courtney and I both miss it
[02:00] <jgould> \o Cheri703 from teh houes
[02:00] <jgould> er
[02:01] <jgould> I'm thinking I don't have an excuse to not go to OLF,  It's down the street from the house
[02:01] <jgould> i really need to get the kinks worked out of this trackpad...
[02:01] <Cheri703> september 9th-11th
[02:02] <MarkDude> Sept- I may be able to make it- I will see if I can be sponsored
[02:02] <MarkDude> That would be cool to go to
[02:02] <Cheri703> I've offered to a few people: if you don't mind carpooling down with me, you can crash here :)
[02:02] <MarkDude> VEry cool
[02:03] <MarkDude> That would make it easier for me asking for $
[02:03] <MarkDude> Who knows I may be hired by then
[02:03] <jgould> I always ask for $ just becasue you never know...
[02:03] <MarkDude> Well yes- is there still time for CFP?
[02:04]  * MarkDude thinks OLF could maybe use my Linux is a cult talk-
[02:04] <jgould> Ow... I just hit my self in the head with my laptop
[02:05] <MarkDude> Careful
[02:05] <Cheri703> cfp?
[02:05] <Cheri703> maybe
[02:05] <Cheri703> let me see if I have the email still
[02:05] <jgould> I know.  Steve would be might pissed if I broke the laptop with my head while running Linux ;)
[02:06] <Cheri703> looks like the deadline was may 1, but who knows if it's still open
[02:07] <Cheri703> I thought I'd seen something about it being extended
[02:07] <Cheri703> ah, MarkDude http://ohiolinux.org/node/57
[02:07] <Cheri703> extended til june 1
[02:07] <Cheri703> thought so
[02:09] <MarkDude> Cool- I think I can do that
[02:10]  * jgould reads through the condensed comic strips that Unit193 posts
[02:12] <jgould> Damn it, I can't get comfrotable
[02:12]  * Cheri703 is installing xp on a laptop >.< I hate it
[02:12] <jgould> Nor can i spell
[02:13] <jgould> Is that on that Dell, Cheri703
[02:13] <MarkDude> Xp is still better than Vista
[02:13] <canthus13> DOS 3.3 is still better than Vista.
[02:13] <gilbert> i keep xp around via vbox
[02:14] <gilbert> winme was even better than vista
[02:14] <jgould> I keep XP in a vbox as well
[02:15] <jgould> speaking of which...
[02:15] <Cheri703> yeah jgould
[02:16] <Cheri703> it's for my brother
[02:16] <jgould> Woah! gilbert's here
[02:16] <Cheri703> I just hate the install process, it takes SO LONG
[02:17] <jgould> and it restarts three times I think...
[02:17] <jgould> The Mac OS has it down to once: at the end...
[02:17] <Cheri703> well, more than that when you factor in the 2987384 updates it has to install -_-
[02:17] <gilbert> jgould: hehe, yeah.  making an effort to have an irc presence again ;)
[02:17] <jgould> Exactly
[02:18] <gilbert> jgould: anyway, sounds like clintonville is the winner.  i'll send an email out tomorrow
[02:18] <jgould> Ah.  I'm here pretty regularly, unless our router goes belly up
[02:18] <jgould> Are we still meeting at 6:30?
[02:19] <gilbert> we were meeting at 6, but that's a bit early for me anymore.  630 would be good
[02:19] <jgould> I was going to say that 7 would be even better.  Makes it easier for people to get off of work and then show up
[02:20] <gilbert> jgould: yeah, thats the problem ive been having.  i'll make it 7
[02:25] <jgould> This laptop isn't so cold after it's been running for about 20 mintues...
[02:26] <Unit193> jgould: The comics I post? (Don't link it)
[02:27] <jgould> Yes, Unit
[02:27] <Unit193> Cheri703: You don't like ncurses, right?
[02:27] <jgould> that consolidated list of comics
[02:28] <Unit193> jgould > My channel?
[02:29]  * jgould is hungry
[02:29] <Cheri703> I don't know anything about it as far as I know
[02:30] <Unit193> newsbeuter Syncs with google reader
[02:31] <jgould> newsbeuter?
[02:32] <Unit193> jgould: Yep! Do you use Google Reader?
[02:32] <jgould> Yep
[02:32] <jgould> Have for years
[02:38] <jgould> Now if only I could sort out this track pad issue
[02:57] <Unit193> jgould: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/04/newsbeuter-cli-feed-reader-gains-google.html
[03:11] <MarkDude> paultag, unping- It appears no one has showed up to the first IRC meeting
[03:11] <MarkDude> So it is a log of me talking to myself- which I will share via ML :D
[03:12] <Unit193> Did ya have a meetbot?
[03:23] <JonathanD> MarkDude is here too?
[03:24]  * MarkDude is everywhere :)
[03:24] <MarkDude> Kinda like mold
[03:24] <MarkDude> Hey JonathanD
[03:24] <JonathanD> hi.
[03:24]  * JonathanD is camping.
[03:24] <Cheri703> hi JonathanD
[03:24] <canthus13> Meh. campers should be banned.
[03:24] <Unit193> Howdy JonathanD!
[03:25] <Cheri703> :) you're like me, I make sure I can at least check my email while out and about
[03:25] <JonathanD> non-geeknic, though.
[03:25] <canthus13> Oh. CAMPING.
[03:25] <canthus13> nevermind.
[03:25] <JonathanD> yes, canthus13
[03:25] <JonathanD> around a fire.
[03:25] <JonathanD> not around the base.
[03:25] <canthus13> Heh.
[03:25] <JonathanD> here, have a smore.
[03:25] <canthus13> Couldn't leave your laptop long enough to enjoy the outdoors?
[03:26]  * canthus13 eyes Cheri703.
[03:26] <Unit193> I just glad he spells his name correctly ;)
[03:26] <JonathanD> canthus13: I would have been fine but somehow I got pinged...
[03:26] <Cheri703> canthus13: I have internet on my phone...
[03:26] <Cheri703> don't need a laptop
[03:26] <canthus13> Cheri703: ...Chocolate...Marshmallow... graham crackers...
[03:26] <Cheri703> ahhh, yes
[03:26] <JonathanD> Yeh. I share a common irssi instance between phone and laptop. This is phone.
[03:27] <jgould> isn't ssh nice?
[03:27]  * canthus13 lurves his ssh/screen/irssi. :)
[03:28] <Cheri703> I tried quasseldroid, but no love for my phone :(
[03:28] <Unit193> canthus13: +1!
[03:28] <JonathanD> jgould: mostly.
[03:28] <JonathanD> it's difficult to manage on phone.
[03:28] <jgould> Fine on my BlackBerry
[03:28] <JonathanD> Still nice, though.
[03:29] <JonathanD> jgould: it's ok for a couple channels, I guess. Still awkward.
[03:29] <canthus13> jedIRC is usable... sort of.  On my phone, anyway.
[03:30] <jgould> Yeah...  Plus it reqires my home network to stay up...
[03:30] <Cheri703> I use andchat when mobile
[03:30] <canthus13> JonathanD: Heh.
[03:30] <JonathanD> I've been meaning for YEARS now to make something for phone use...
[03:31] <dmcglone> hidie ho neighbors
[03:31] <canthus13> NO FLANDERS.
[03:31] <JonathanD> I keep my irssi logs in sql, I thought it would be useful to pull down logs of channels I care about to my phone via sql, so my one instance could serve both phone and laptop but phone would get a lot less content.
[03:32] <jgould> JonathanD: I would seriously go with andrioid of you are planning on making your own program
[03:32] <jgould> well, writing
[03:34] <JonathanD> jgould: I'd just write the irrsi side and let the 'market work it ou'
[03:34] <JonathanD> anyway.
[03:34] <JonathanD> back to the fire.
[03:43] <dmcglone> david@buddy:~$ gpg --recipient 0f0f4ffa --recipient --encrypt nomination.txt
[03:43] <dmcglone> gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
[03:43] <dmcglone> gpg: processing message failed: eof
[03:44] <jgould> Where the hell did I put my glasses
[03:44] <Cheri703> dmcglone: I didn't bother with the encryption, just the clearsign thing
[03:44] <dmcglone> clearsign?
[03:44] <Cheri703> the first part of the instructions
[03:45] <dmcglone> david@buddy:~$ gpg--clearsign nomination.txt
[03:45] <dmcglone> gpg--clearsign: command not found
[03:46] <dmcglone> ah
[03:46] <dmcglone> missed the space
[03:46] <dmcglone> duh me
[03:46] <dmcglone> david@buddy:~$ gpg --clearsign nomination.txt
[03:46] <dmcglone> gpg: no default secret key: secret key not available
[03:46] <dmcglone> gpg: nomination.txt: clearsign failed: secret key not available
[03:47] <jgould> Cheri703: I think we all know who you voted for... :)
[03:47] <Cheri703> well, they told me I had to cast an official vote
[03:47] <dmcglone> I'm just going to send an e-mail
[03:47] <dmcglone> lol
[03:47] <Cheri703> they said you have to
[03:48] <Cheri703> gilbert did earlier *shrug*
[03:48] <dmcglone> I can't even clearsign it
[03:48] <Cheri703> did you create the key?
[03:48] <dmcglone> yeah
[03:48] <dmcglone> that was the first step
[03:48] <Cheri703> no clue
[03:49] <dmcglone> david@buddy:~$ gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-key 0f0f4ffa
[03:49] <dmcglone> gpg: requesting key 0F0F4FFA from hkp server pgp.mit.edu
[03:49] <dmcglone> gpg: key 0F0F4FFA: "Michael Gilbert<EMAIL_ADDRESS>not changed
[03:49] <dmcglone> gpg: Total number processed: 1
[03:49] <dmcglone> gpg:              unchanged: 1
[03:49] <Unit193> dmcglone: You use T-bird?
[03:49] <jgould> the directions worked for me.
[03:49] <dmcglone> No Unit193
[03:49] <jgould> Also, I want a cheese cuter
[03:50] <jgould> cutter
[03:50] <Cheri703> you want someone flatulent?
[03:51] <jgould> Heh
[03:51] <jgould> Nope
[03:51] <jgould> I want one of them cheese slicer doohickies
[03:51] <Cheri703> mmmhm
[03:52] <dmcglone> we should be able to just send an e-mail using our PGP sig
[03:52] <jgould> dmcglone: you can
[03:52] <dmcglone> thats what I'll do
[03:53] <dmcglone> if I can get my pgp sig set up in evolution... LOL
[03:53] <jgould> Not having a forward delete key makes Evolution a pita for me...
[03:53]  * Unit193 doesn't use Evolution
[03:54] <Unit193> dmcglone: I got the DB all worked out
[03:54] <dmcglone> it has a forward, and you use the delete key to delete
[03:54] <Unit193> dmcglone: I'll be testing Gnome 3 in a VM (Fedora)
[03:54] <dmcglone> Cool Unit193
[03:56] <jgould> dmcglone: I meant on my keyboard... forward delete is a two key combonation
[03:57] <dmcglone> I see
[03:58] <jgould> Macs lack the 'six pack' of keys that every other laptop has
[03:58] <dmcglone> dang I lost my gpg key and now it's taking forever to generate a new one :-/
[04:00] <dmcglone> Oh yeah, I heard I was up past my bedtime last night.... LOL
[04:02] <dmcglone> Unit193: what did you change on that DB?
[04:03] <Unit193> dmcglone: I just did an import > export
[04:03] <MarkDude> Yay, 1 person showed up to the meeting. We actually figured out a few things.
[04:03] <dmcglone> what did you export as?
[04:04] <Unit193> dmcglone: Exported with PHPMyAdmin
[04:04] <dmcglone> Unit193: do both our DB's match now?
[04:04] <dmcglone> :-) I see you took my advise
[04:04] <Unit193> I had to export sqlite > csv and THEN import it...
[04:05] <dmcglone> Ok so now I will need to upload a copy to mine right?
[04:08] <Unit193> dmcglone: > alt
[04:08] <dmcglone> ?
[04:41] <jgould> damn laptop
[04:44] <jgould> How the hell do I run out of ram
[04:44] <canthus13> jgould: you run pidgin. or gwibber. or windows.
[04:44] <Cheri703> or firefox
[04:44] <canthus13> Cheri703: ? I've never had issues with firefox sucking up all my ram.
[04:45] <Unit193> canthus13: Pidgin is working for me... (Xubuntu)
[04:46] <jgould> I'm runing firefox...  VLC crashed and said that It either had to sacrifice a child or kill vlc
[04:46] <canthus13> Unit193: I've had pidgin up and eat 1-2GB of ram just by being logged in.
[04:51] <jgould> So I sacrificed my child...
[04:52] <dmcglone> canthus13: my pidgin is using 18.9 MiB
[04:52] <canthus13> dmcglone: Mebbe they've fixed it by now.. that was a couple of years ago. :)
[04:52] <jgould> My head hurts
[04:52] <dmcglone> Good, cuz when you said that, I had to check
[04:54]  * jgould goes to make a pot of coffee...
[04:55] <Unit193> Welcome back, gilbert
[04:55]  * jgould offers coffee to the room
[04:56] <Unit193> jgould: Almost done with my last cup!
[04:56]  * jgould wishes he had a coffee robot
[04:56] <canthus13> jgould: Pester paultag about the linux coffee pot.
[04:57] <jgould> The linux coffee pot?
[05:00] <canthus13> jgould: Yup.
[05:00] <jgould> How does this work
[05:01] <Cheri703> ff runs up over 300mb easily, sometimes further
[05:01] <Cheri703> (was testing ad-hoc networks, sorry)
[05:02] <dmcglone1> ff might be bloated but I think it's the best out there :-/
[05:02] <canthus13> Cheri703: Oh. Meh. Big deal.  I have 4 gigs of ram. 300MB isn't bloat.
[05:02] <jgould> FF is great now that I added the 64 bit flash player...
[05:03] <Cheri703> for me it is...
[05:03] <Cheri703> I have 2gb, but....it slows it down
[05:03] <Cheri703> this thing chugs sometimes
[05:03] <canthus13> jgould: Here's one:  http://mag-murphy.net/2006-01-13/next-up-linux-on-a-freaking-coffee-pot
[05:03] <jgould> My coffee pot won't run linux, but you could use cron to schedule when to brew... XD
[05:04] <dmcglone1> Cheri703: I only have 1Gb and it doesn't slow things down here
[05:04] <Cheri703> it's....slow...netbook and all
[05:04] <jgould> canthus13: we were discussion system migration last night, I would imagine rsync for the data, but what about the packages?
[05:05] <canthus13> Heh. my kid's ancient 2ghz P4 handles it fine with 1.25GB ram.
[05:05] <canthus13> jgould: You can export a list of packages installed and then feed it back to apt... I forget how, though. :/
[05:06] <jgould> I'm sure that there is a tutorial out there somewhere. I'm planning ahead
[05:08] <MarkDude> Thx for the OLF offer Cheri703 - I will spend tomorrow seeing what I can write. I will also see about starting sponsorship now
[05:08] <Cheri703> cool :)
[05:09]  * Cheri703 would like to meet you in person!
[05:10] <jgould> OLF is open for anyone to attend, right?
[05:11] <Cheri703> yep
[05:11] <Cheri703> he's submitting a talk proposal
[05:11] <Cheri703> jgould: it's pretty interesting
[05:13] <jgould> I live pretty close to the GCCC (and know the inside like the back of my hand from working the Arnold sports fest every year...)
[05:14] <MarkDude> Well I am most likely to be sponsored
[05:14] <MarkDude> I am owed a few favors- I think OLF is worth calling them in
[05:14] <Cheri703> :)
[05:14] <dmcglone1> canthus13: jgould: use synaptic to export installed package list then use synaptic's import to import it when you want to re-install all your packages again
[05:14] <Cheri703> I'll be back in a while
[05:16] <jgould> anything that's been installed manually (or via a PPA) won't install on the new machine, right?
[05:18] <dmcglone1> jgould: you referring to the technique I showed you?
[05:19] <jgould> yeah.  I'm thinking ahead at this piint
[05:19] <jgould> er point
[05:20] <dmcglone1> if you install a .deb manually, it will show up in synaptic, but .tar files do not
[05:20] <dmcglone1> if you use a PPA they will also work, but you will have to set up the PPA before importing your package list
[05:46]  * Cheri703 is back
[05:46] <Cheri703> you may resume having fun ;)
[05:49] <canthus13> aw. damn. she's back. :/
[05:49] <canthus13> so much for teh party.
[05:58] <Cheri703> yeah yeah
[05:58]  * Cheri703 rules with an iron fist
[06:01] <Unit193> I don't seem to like open votes...
[06:02] <canthus13> Cheri703: Heh.
[06:03] <Cheri703> <evil laugh>
[06:05] <Unit193> As long as it's an iron fist and cookies...
[06:07]  * Unit193 likes cookies (most anyway...)
[06:29] <Unit193> Welcome back, jgould
[06:29] <Unit193> Router?
[06:30] <canthus13> Terrorists.
[06:31] <jgould> thank you.
[06:32] <jgould> Combonation of trying to do an rsync on Wireless, as well as the router
[06:33] <jgould> although, I do like canthus13's suggestion
[06:34] <jgould> I wonder why rsync kills my wireless...
[06:36] <canthus13> jgould: Hmm... how many connections does rsync open at once?
[06:36] <canthus13> too many open connections will kill a cheap router dead.
[06:37] <canthus13> they fill up memory, then can't be cleaned up because the cleanup routine has no room to work. (At least that's the way it was explained to me...)
[06:37] <jgould> I'm not moving that much data...  It pretty much kills my ability to do *naything* at once
[06:37] <jgould> canthus13: how do I tell
[06:38] <canthus13> Depends on the router.  Most don't have the facilities to monitor the usage.. and the ones that do, don't have the problem.  The easiest way to tell is by how much RAM the router has, though.  if it only has 8MB of ram, then it will probably suffer from the problem.
[06:44] <jgould> It's An apple Airport.... It probably doesn't have more than *MB of Ram
[06:44] <jgould> er 8
[06:45] <canthus13> Which one?
[06:45] <jgould> Airport Extreme, the 'Mushroom' one
[06:47] <canthus13> bah. I suck at these conversions. appears that the Airport Extreme has 2 256mbit DDR RAM chips... so whatever that converts to.
[06:49] <jgould> mbit?
[06:49] <jgould> really?
[06:49] <jgould> Ram is Cheap
[06:50] <canthus13> yes. mbit, not byte.
[06:52] <canthus13> Eh. wait. 128MB? No freakin' way.. enterprise-grade routers don't have that much ram.
[06:52] <canthus13> Well, some do, but you're talking about pretty heavy-duty stuff.
[06:52] <jgould> There's no way it has that much
[06:53] <canthus13> Yeah.
[06:54] <canthus13> It would make more sense for it to have 8MB RAM and 4MB flash...
[06:55] <jgould> either way it's an annoying pain the ass
[06:57] <jgould> I wonder if it would make more sense to run this Wired Router as the gateway and pass wireless through the Airport until my Valet gets replaced
[06:59] <canthus13> If you were in toledo, I'd loan you my 300N or my 614.
[07:02] <jgould> I still contend that there is something that is higher powered around here that knocks the 15db transmitter off the air...
[07:02] <Cheri703> is it 2.4ghz?
[07:02] <jgould> Si
[07:02] <Cheri703> cordless phones
[07:02] <Cheri703> my parents' internet did that until they got phones on a different frequency
[07:03] <Cheri703> every time they'd get a phone call, my wifi would cut out
[07:03]  * jgould lives in an apartment complex
[07:03] <Cheri703> you're screwed :)
[07:03] <Cheri703> OR
[07:03] <Cheri703> line the walls of your apt with foil :)
[07:03] <jgould> Then the cell phones won't work
[07:04] <Cheri703> but yeah, I'd bet a big part of the issue could be cordless phones
[07:04] <jgould> I think it's all of these AT&T Uverse boxes around here
[07:05] <Cheri703> could be
[07:06] <jgould> When I was having problems with the Valet, the poeple at Cisco are like "What channel is the router on" I'd answer that it was on 11, as it was one of the clearer channels around ehre, and they'd be like "ok, lets put it on 6"  6 is overly satruated....
[07:06] <Cheri703> >.<
[07:07] <Unit193> Call canthus13 next time? XD
[07:07] <Cheri703> alright, I'm off. have a good night
[07:07] <jgould> The thing is that everythign they had me do, I had already done...
[07:07] <jgould> Night Cheri703
[07:09] <jgould> That's it... my next comptuer will have a traditional BIOS....
[07:24] <jgould> It's 2:30 AM already?
[07:31]  * jgould blames Unit193
[07:34]  * Unit193 didn't do anything!
[07:35] <jgould> Still your fault :)
[07:36] <jgould> You can dist-upgrade from 10.04.1 to 11.04, right?
[07:36] <Unit193> Nope
[07:36] <Unit193> LTS > LTS and from one version to the next only
[07:37] <jgould> Aslo, Unit193 your prefered DE is XFCE, no?
[07:37] <Unit193> DE? Who uses them? ;) Kinda...
[07:38] <jgould> I saw a tutorial on changing that...  it is possible to do, just not easy.
[07:39] <Unit193> Changing...?
[07:39] <jgould> LTS > LTS upgrades
[07:48] <jgould> damn router...
[07:49] <jgould> if you go to synaptic, and into the software sources dialog, updates tab, at the bottom you can change what you upgrade to
[07:50]  * Unit193 still hasn't upgraded Lubuntu 10.10 > 11.04
[07:50]  * jgould upgrades Unit193
[07:51] <Unit193> You don't hear much good of upgrading...
[07:52] <jgould> No, clean installs tend to work better, IMHO
[07:53] <jgould> That's any OS
[07:54] <Unit193> And I don't really want to do that...
[09:30] <Unit193> I'm sure I wasn't the first one off...
[10:09] <jgould> what the hell do you mean, Unit193
[11:29] <jgould> there we go
[11:47] <jgould> Wow... A gigabit connection makes a whole lot of diffrence when you are moving data...
[12:51] <jgould> Ok.  keys are remapped to the way they should be now.  I'm feeling productive
[12:55] <jgould> Now to try to sort out the trackpad
[13:57] <dmcglone> http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/30/nutrismart-prototype-embeds-rfid-tags-directly-within-food-trac/
[14:16] <jgould> Really?
[14:16] <dmcglone> scary huh?
[14:18] <jgould> Wouldn't the acid in your stomach destroy the chop
[14:18] <jgould> er chip?
[14:19] <dmcglone> dunno :-/ it's supposed to be digestable, so I guess it's intended to come out the other end :-)
[14:19] <dmcglone> next they will have one that survives all the way to the toliet and you can analyze your shit.. LOL
[14:20] <dmcglone> I gotta go to the chiropractor. be back later
[14:20] <jgould> Heh
[14:21] <jgould> K
[14:52] <skellat> I wander in and things are quiet?  Yikes.
[14:54] <skellat> Is it shock over the Jim Tressel news?
[14:54]  * skellat wonders what happened
[15:10] <Cheri703> I have no clue
[15:10] <Cheri703> I haven't had tv service since last april
[15:10] <Cheri703> so....I saw a fb post about it and that's it :)
[15:11] <skellat> I don't follow OSU all that much in sports so I'm not sure what the hullabaloo is all about
[15:12] <Cheri703> something about an ncaa suspension previously
[15:12] <skellat> Do we have election results yet?  I delayed The Burning Circle this week just for that.
[15:12] <Cheri703> I dunno
[15:12] <Cheri703> I think it's next week
[15:12] <Cheri703> no idea why they gave it so much time
[15:14] <canthus13> dmcglone: That's creepy... Imagine. Public toilets that know who crapped in them.
[15:15] <Cheri703> easy enough to blame the person who doesn't flush though...
[15:15] <canthus13> Heh.
[15:15] <skellat> I highly doubt an RFID tag would survive the digestive tract
[15:15] <canthus13> skellat: Why not? coat it in glass.
[15:16] <Cheri703> they have cameras make it through...
[15:16] <canthus13> ..Or some sort of cellulose. (Corn skins are the reason for corn poop...  He's the rfid expert around here.
[15:17] <canthus13> <- indelicate.
[15:18] <canthus13> Hmm.. apparently, some have batteries, some do not.
[15:19] <canthus13> But they can be the size of a grain of rice... so no problem swallowing one without knowing.
[15:20]  * skellat is bothered as he finds evidence that he's been sleepwalking again
[15:24] <skellat> Alrighty, so what else is new?
[15:28] <Cheri703> not a ton skellat
[15:28] <Cheri703> I need clients, but that's not new :)
[15:30] <Cheri703> I'm still being impatient about getting the new nook
[15:30] <Cheri703> aaaand that's it :)
[15:31] <jgould> I had my neighbor pound on the wall about 15 minutes ago... appareantly The Borne Identity was too loud...
[15:32] <skellat> Nice
[15:32] <jgould> of course I've pounded on the wall when his music is too loud or when they are screwing and tapping the wall with the bed.
[15:33] <gilbert> election deadline is june 12th
[15:34]  * jgould goes back to writing.  His muse has returned from vacation
[15:34] <skellat> gilbert: Oh.  Well, BC will come out later this week then.
[15:34] <gilbert> ok
[15:42] <skellat> So who all has to wander in to work tonight?  I have to be in at 1600.
[15:43]  * jgould is laid off until late July
[15:43] <jgould> I might be in bed by 1600...
[15:44] <jgould> Gah I have to get used to having the keys in the right spots...  I fixed my keyboard layout last night
[15:56] <canthus13> http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/2011/may/25/wa-man-shot-with-arrow-daughter-arrested/
[15:58] <jgould> What!?!?!?
[16:00] <canthus13> Yeah. nuts.
[16:03]  * jgould wonders how hard this damn trackpad is going to be to get to work correctly
[16:06] <jgould> Any one in here have any experence in taming an overly sensitive trackpad?
[16:06] <skellat> canthus13: That featured in the program for LISNews.org that got posted last night.
[16:07] <skellat> jgould: How is it being overly sensitive?
[16:07] <jgould> any time I touch it, it acts as a click.  only workaround I've come up with so far is to turn off tap-to-click
[16:08] <jgould> I would prefer to tap to click, just on my terms, not it's... XD
[16:08] <skellat> jgould: That's about all you can do to fix that.
[16:08] <jgould> it's a driver issue.  I just haven't found my way around it...
[16:09]  * jgould blames skellat for the trackpad.
[16:13] <skellat> Trackpad ballistics are tough
[16:14] <jgould> I'm wondering if there are some settings in my Xorg.conf file I can feed the X server to make the trackpad work better
[16:20] <canthus13> Whee... another 'my wireless doesn't work' call... the idiot is in virginia, expecting to connect to her router in toledo.
[16:24] <jgould> Heh, canthus13
[16:25] <jgould> My wireless doesn't work half the time, and it's less than 10 feet away
[16:25] <skellat> canthus13: That would set a new land propagation record in the 2.4 gigahertz band if it were even remotely possible
[16:25] <jgould> yes it would, skellat
[16:26] <canthus13> skellat: Heh.  that reminds me... I hope I get an Alfa wireless card for my birthday.. it's on my wish list. :)
[16:28] <canthus13> the range on those is insane.. somewhere around 3-5 miles with a good antenna.
[16:30] <canthus13> http://www.amazon.com/Alfa-AWUS036H-Wireless-Long-Rang-Panel/dp/B003YI4HRM/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=I232ONU5OIWOE6&colid=1XD27SSD81OBQ
[16:31] <jgould> seems like overkill...
[16:32] <canthus13> jgould: It's fun to play with. :)
[16:32] <canthus13> and good for finding free net access.
[16:32] <skellat> It only produces one watt of power output.  In the grand scheme...that's not much of anything.
[16:32] <canthus13> (McDonalds, coffee shops, etc...)
[16:32] <jgould> I took one little 13 character snippet of that and pulled up the page.
[16:33] <jgould> Knowing someone that works at Amazon has its perks
[16:36] <canthus13> There's also a +9db antenna..
[16:37] <jgould> Could probably use that to heat up my coffee...
[16:38] <skellat> 1 W isn't enough to heat coffee.  Even a microwave even borders on a 1 kW.
[16:38] <jgould> :P
[16:39] <canthus13> It could heat it...eventually... then again, evaporative cooling would probably counter it.
[16:41] <jgould> That's a great bug...  "The touchpad works very bad"
[16:44] <jgould> And part of my lower panel disappeared....
[16:45] <skellat> Gonna have to reboot
[16:45] <dmcglone> GFRER:-X
[16:45]  * jgould blinks
[16:59] <canthus13> jgould: Should try updating your video drivers.. might help the panel issues.
[16:59] <canthus13> Intel chipset, right?
[17:03] <jgould> Yeah, i915
[17:04] <jgould> There.  Now I should cool off...
[17:07] <jgould> I'm not sure that there is an update to the video drivers...
[17:16]  * jgould is having a Bourne Movie marathon over here
[17:32] <jgould> Today would be a good day to stay at home in the AC (or if you have to go out, go in a skirt... *nods*
[18:29]  * skellat waves
[18:35] <jgould> My phone is pissing me off
[19:13] <jgould> Mail doens't run today, does it?
[19:18] <Cheri703> don't think so
[19:22] <jgould> I remapped some keys on my keyboard last night.  Makes me happy.  At least the keys are in the proper spots now...
[19:30] <Cheri703> \o/
[19:30]  * Cheri703 cleaned her garage today...it's not DONE, but it's WAAAAAAY better
[19:34] <canthus13> Cheri703: Dude thinks that a stewardess has Sully....
[19:34] <Cheri703> heh
[20:39] <Unit193> jgould: I'm guessing I typed your name & email correct?


[03:42] <bobrown> Anyone around now?
[13:26] <lifeless> shoot
[13:26] <persia> So, we were talking about the Fuse.pm hack recently.
[13:26] <lifeless> oh yes
[13:26] <persia> And there was also talk about using containers to better handle other stuff in /proc
[13:26] <lifeless> my fault I believe
[13:27] <persia> Containers seem to address issues with some classes of access to /proc (because the instruction set that might be doing that might not match some of the contents of /proc/nnn, etc.), but not some of the base stuff (e.g. cpuinfo).  The Fuse.pm hack has the opposite set of benefits and detriments.
[13:28] <persia> Do you see any reason why they two approaches would conflict?
[13:28] <lifeless> I haven't heard of containers
[13:28] <lifeless> point me at docs, I can think about it later
[13:28] <persia> Also, it was suggested that rather than using Fuse.pm, qemu should be hacked to force-produce false data without needing special configuration.  Do you see any drawbacks to that?
[13:29] <lifeless> sounds like layering buggery to me
[13:29] <lifeless> and yes, I do see drawbacks
[13:29] <persia> http://lxc.sourceforge.net/ http://blog.bodhizazen.net/linux/lxc-configure-ubuntu-karmic-containers/
[13:29] <lifeless> as a VM it would be the kernels responsibility
[13:29] <persia> Please share :)
[13:30] <persia> Remember, we're not talking about full VM stuff here: just emulated userspace (chroots is my main use case, but running arbitrary-architecture code on a system is another)
[13:30] <lifeless> as an instruction set translator for one program, all the logic to deal with aliases, chroots, funny mounts etc will have to live whereever does the mounting
[13:30] <lifeless> so, fuse /is/ a filesystem and can fit into the existing mount stack
[13:31] <lifeless> doing it in qemu itself doesn't see to fit the layering, tome.
[13:35] <persia> That makes sense.  Thanks for your input.
[13:35] <lifeless> lxc seems to live in the same place
[13:35] <lifeless> (namespaces, user isolation)
[13:36] <lifeless> so putting in lxc approx == putting in fuse, at first glance. still way cleaner than qemu :P
[13:38] <lifeless> can you enlarge on 'some classes of access to /proc (because the instruction set that might be doing that might not match some of the contents of /proc/nnn, etc.),'
[13:39]  * persia experiments locally to provide a more informed opinion
[13:41] <lifeless> because, I'm thinking 'isn't linux32 going to have the same issues'
[13:41] <lifeless> so, lets look at what it does, figure out prior art
[13:42] <persia> That's a brilliant idea :)
[13:43] <persia> Looking at a /proc/nnnnn tree, I've confirmed my previous opinion that some of those contents are going to be architecture-dependent, and that it's easily confused by using binfmt and qemu.
[13:44] <persia> I'm not awake enough to think about it in depth now, but I think you've convinced me that the magic trio is qemu + lxc + personalities (although this gets kernely)
[13:44] <lifeless> persia: right, but is that a real issue or theoretical
[13:45] <lifeless> I'm definitely not awake enough.
[13:45] <lifeless> I don't know that lxc is needed or desirable here
[13:45] <lifeless> it depends on what we are /aiming/ for
[13:46] <lifeless> for now, gnight
[13:46] <persia> Heh.  gnight.  Maybe lool and ogra will have a better explanation.  I know that some stuff FTBFS because of /proc inspection, but can't remember the details right now.
[13:48] <suihkulokki> persia: no need for lxc. just add virtual /proc files to qemu
[13:48] <lool> suihkulokki: lxc for a different purpose
[13:48] <suihkulokki> or personalities
[13:48] <lool> I do wish we'd advocate use of lxc instead of plain chroots to run ARM builds
[13:48] <lool> suihkulokki: Right, we definitely want some cpuinfo emulation
[13:49] <lool> suihkulokki: Do you have any interest in mono under qemu-arm?
[13:49] <lool> suihkulokki: I would love some tips in debugging it; it's hanging on exit right now
[13:50] <suihkulokki> you might want to try to get a simpler boehm gc app to work first
[13:51] <lool> suihkulokki: do you have pointers on this issue?
[13:51] <lool> suihkulokki: I tried a hello world mono app, it works as far as printing hello world, but dies on exit
[13:52] <lool> Well it hangs actually, two threads are in futex() and another one in sleep(); it could be related to the GC
[13:52] <persia> lool: Can you share more why we want lxc vs. chroots?  Is there a reason we wouldn't want that for all chroots?  Is this worth patching schroot to achieve?
[13:53] <lool> persia: it's probably equally valid for all chroot use cases
[13:53] <lool> persia: Problem is that people are apt-get installing stuff in these chroots
[13:53] <lifeless> suihkulokki: no need for qemu to fiddle with userspace file access; fuse is much better at that.
[13:53] <lifeless> anyhow, really going. ciao.
[13:53] <lool> persia: so that might kill processes from outside the chroot, or leak details such as the binfmt setup or /proc/mounts
[13:54] <lool> We typically want the type of abstraction which lxc provides to hide the desktop system running the container from the arm container
[13:54] <lool> It might actually miss binfmt abstraction though
[13:55] <suihkulokki> lifeless: it already fiddles.
[13:56] <persia> lool: In fact, the primary, secondary, and tertiary uses of schroot are likely to involve apt-get (other use cases may not).
[13:56] <suihkulokki> all syscalls go through qemu - anything you want to show/hide from arm processes can be done there.
[13:57] <lool> persia: Ack; it's ok to use lxc for pbuilder/sbuild etc., but it's not strictly required; you don't actually want to start init scripts and the like in build environents
[13:57] <persia> lool: Last I looked, lxc-on-ubuntu was sufficiently nontrivial that it's not something that can easily be done with scripted schroot setup.  Do you know if work is being done on lxc+upstart?
[13:58] <persia> lool: Um, have you *looked* at the build logs?  Heaps of time it ends up installing mail servers, and it very often grabs dbus (and starts it).
[13:58] <persia> These happen to work, but that's a coincidence.
[14:02] <lool> suihkulokki: that seems to describe the problem you mention<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:04] <lool> suihkulokki: Do you have pointers on debugging apps running under qemu-arm?
[14:04] <lool> I can use gdb against qemu, but I wish there would be a way to poke at the emulated program somehow
[14:52] <roxfan> run it under gdbserver
[15:33] <lool> Where's the list of packages to port to thumb2 again?
[15:33] <lool> I'd like to strike qemu-kvm of the list
[15:38] <lool> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Thumb2PackageReviewList


[11:29] <mr_pouit> micahg: I'm more or less unavailable until thursday, so feel free to process the merge request for the seeds (im-* stuff to fix dailies), i.e. don't wait for me :P
[11:38] <knome> i just heard the xubuntu images have hard time building
[15:16] <micahg> mr_pouit: ok, cjwatson took care of it, I was just added to the image mails, so, I'll try to keep an eye on it


[01:59] <tt33l3r> I'm having a problem with the "Keep Aligned" setting on gnome changing back to set on every reboot. Anyone know how to fix this?
[15:49] <manusheel> kandarpk: Hi Kandarp.
[15:49] <manusheel> Around?
[15:50] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: hello sir.
[15:50] <manusheel> kandarpk: How is the activity development coming along?
[15:51] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: finding including collaboration a bit difficult
[15:52] <manusheel> kandarpk: ok.
[16:08] <ishan> kandarpk, hi sir
[16:53] <ishan> kandarpk, sir have you read the file??
[16:59] <kandarpk> ishan: yeah, most of it.
[17:02] <ishan> kandarpk, sir is it fine
[17:02] <kandarpk> ishan: dont kno myself
[17:02] <ishan> can you also provide pointers to me on the part where i have added ???
[17:10] <kandarpk> alsroot: around ?
[17:19]  * ishan is away
[17:28]  * ishan is back
[17:34] <alsroot> kandarpk: yup
[17:36] <kandarpk> alsroot: can we synchronise the text in a textbox of a shared activity ?
[17:37] <alsroot> kandarpk: you mean concurrent editing?
[17:38] <kandarpk> alsroot: no, that might be tough
[17:38] <kandarpk> alsroot: one to type message, other one to display
[17:38] <alsroot> kandarpk: see how chatbox.py does it in Speak actiivty
[17:39] <kandarpk> alsroot: Ok.
[17:39] <alsroot> kandarpk: in anycase it is derivative workflow, you can do anything you want using basic sharing features
[17:40] <alsroot> kandarpk: btw hellomesh does similar(as I can remember) things but in more simple way
[17:41] <kandarpk> alsroot: hellomesh uses hippo.CanvasBox
[17:41] <kandarpk> which I was not able to add in the VBox
[17:41] <alsroot> kandarpk: hippo is used only for UI stuff, sharing features don't depend on it
[17:42] <alsroot> kandarpk: just do what hellomesh does(in case of sharing) but w/o hippo
[17:42] <kandarpk> alsroot: yeah, I was trying to place a textbox in its place
[17:43] <alsroot> kandarpk: btw chatbox.py is also hippo based
[17:43] <kandarpk> alsroot: ok.
[17:50] <kandarpk> alsroot: thanks, just removing hippo seems to work
[17:50] <alsroot> yw
[18:01] <neeraj> hi alsroot, around
[18:01] <neeraj> ?*
[18:01] <alsroot> neeraj: hi
[18:04] <neeraj> alsroot: for bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sugar-0.88/+bug/617582, I asked on sugar-devel as u suggested. And I got a different suggestion for this -> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.laptop.olpc.sugar/24679
[18:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 617582 in sugar-0.88 (Ubuntu) "When opening the control panel some icons are cut off . (affects: 2) (heat: 338)" [High,In progress]
[18:09] <alsroot> neeraj: I see, it is up to you what way to choose, you can follow the way what was suggested by email
[18:10] <alsroot> but /me is not sure what it was meant, since we have a grid of components, calculating width for cells/columns
[18:10] <neeraj> alsroot: 1. I don't think removing the text and only displaying the text will solve the purpose.
[18:13] <alsroot> neeraj: well, I guess email wasn't about removing text labels
[18:14] <neeraj> because the text are not that long as comparison to icon size. 6 is too big for of 800*600.
[18:14] <alsroot> neeraj: at the end, problem could be split into two parts, just fixing ugly issue with cut CP, and implement it in right way
[18:15] <neeraj> alsroot: Ok. He meant that icon and text should be of same width.
[18:17] <alsroot> neeraj: or you can apply your (fast)patch to ubuntu package, and start thinking about rigth implementation to push it to upstream
[18:18] <neeraj> alsroot: ok. Will keep track of this bug and send the patch (both text wrapping and column size)to sugar upstream later.
[18:19] <neeraj> for the time being first sending the column patch on ubuntu.
[18:26] <kandarpk> alsroot: can the timeout icon be removed from notifyAlert ?
[18:27] <alsroot> kandarpk: but you can use other alert classes or create new one
[18:27] <kandarpk> alsroot: hmmmm, ok.
[18:41] <kandarpk> alsroot: great :)
[18:42] <kandarpk> alsroot: how can I extract the name of person/computer on which sugar is running ?
[18:42] <kandarpk> alsroot: I want to use that while passing messages
[18:44] <alsroot> kandarpk: use sugar-toolkit/src/sugar/profile.py's methods
[18:44] <alsroot> e.g. get_nick_name
[18:59] <kandarpk> alsroot: wow. Just what I was looking for
[18:59] <kandarpk> alsroot: thanks again.
[18:59] <alsroot> np
[19:31] <thangam_arun> Hello All
[19:32] <thangam_arun> i would like to build a ubuntu with sugar interface..
[19:33] <thangam_arun> also with Tamil language
[19:33] <thangam_arun> Can you please some one guide on this
[20:10] <kandarpk> neeraj: around ?
[20:51] <manusheel> neeraj: Hi Neeraj.
[20:51] <manusheel> Around?
[20:52] <manusheel> kandarp: Hi kandarp.
[20:52] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: hello sir
[20:53] <manusheel> kandarpk: The activity seems to have covered up all the use-cases, right?
[20:53] <neeraj> kandarpk: hi..
[20:53] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: it isn't working properly yet
[20:54] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: while passing messages
[20:54] <manusheel> kandarpk: Right, That is the collaboration part, which has issues.
[20:55] <manusheel> kandarpk: Right? Can you elaborate on the problems?
[20:55] <neeraj> manusheel sir, Yes. We tested it, We are able to join the activity but the message is not showing to other person
[20:55] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: the code needs to be updated
[20:55] <manusheel> kandarpk: OK.
[20:55] <manusheel> neeraj: Sure.
[20:56] <manusheel> kandarpk , neeraj: The activity works well, in single user mode, right?
[20:56] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: are users of hello mesh able to communicate ?
[20:56] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: yes sir, for single user, it works ok
[20:57] <manusheel> kandarpk: I am not sure about the hello mesh activity. I would better recommend to have a look at Memorize or Turtle Art.
[20:57] <manusheel> kandarpk: Great. Glad to hear that for a single user the activity works well.
[20:57] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: ok sir.
[20:57] <kandarpk> I would like neeraj to try it out and see if he understands anything
[20:58] <manusheel> kandarpk: k.
[20:58] <neeraj> manusheel: yes,.. in single user mode its working fine.
[20:58] <kandarpk> neeraj: more than working, are you able to understand its purpose ?
[20:58] <manusheel> neeraj: Great.
[21:00] <kandarpk> alsroot: around ?
[21:01] <alsroot> kandarpk: yup
[21:01] <kandarpk> alsroot: can users of hello mesh send messages to each other ?
[21:02] <alsroot> kandarpk: didn't see into hellomesh code, but any sharing between users is sending messages between them
[21:02] <kandarpk> alsroot: definitely. thanks.
[21:03] <alsroot> kandarpk: you can search on wiki.laptop.org and wiki.sugarlabs.org, there are bunch of docs about sharing, e.g. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activity_sharing
[21:04] <kandarpk> alsroot: one general question
[21:05] <kandarpk> alsroot: is the presence service being removed from sugar-0.90 ?
[21:05] <alsroot> kandarpk: yup, shell and activities(via sugar-toolkit) use telepathy-mission-control
[21:05] <alsroot> ..except etoys
[21:06] <alsroot> but from activity devs nothing was changed, they just use sugar-toolkit API
[21:07] <kandarpk> alsroot: OK.
[23:12] <manusheel> alsroot: Hi Aleksey.
[23:12] <manusheel> Around?
[23:12] <alsroot> manusheel: hi
[23:13] <manusheel> alsroot: Aleksey, wish to ask you on how we can set the owner to a SEETA team member at bugs.sugarlabs.org.
[23:13] <manusheel> alsroot: Do we need certain privileges for the same?
[23:14] <manusheel> alsroot: Wish to assign certain upstream issues of Sugar to our team members. They have already been working on it.
[23:15] <alsroot> manusheel: in track, only one person can be an owner for component
[23:15] <alsroot> manusheel: do you want to create seeta component on bugs.sl.o?
[23:16] <manusheel> alsroot: Right.
[23:16] <alsroot> manusheel: why will be an owner?
[23:17] <manusheel> alsroot: You can set me as the owner for these issues - manusheel is my username.
[23:17] <manusheel> alsroot: I'll assign them to our team members by adding them in the CC.
[23:17] <alsroot> manusheel: manu on laptop.org?
[23:18] <manusheel> alsroot: I need to check on that. Ok. I can even create a common account of SEETA and get back to you in a minute.
[23:18] <manusheel> alsroot: The bugs that we are working on can be assigned to that account.
[23:22] <manusheel> alsroot: Just registered a common account. It is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:22] <manusheel> alsroot: The bugs assigned to our team will be owned by the e-mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and username "seeta".
[23:23] <alsroot> manusheel: done, create SEETA component
[23:23] <alsroot> *created
[23:24] <manusheel> alsroot: Now, can we change owners and assign bugs falling in the "New" category to ourselves.
[23:24] <alsroot> manusheel: there is "reassign" option in already created bug
[23:25] <alsroot> *"reassign  to"
[23:25] <manusheel> alsroot: Great. Thanks Aleksey.
[23:25] <alsroot> np
[23:30] <manusheel> alsroot: Is Sascha Silbe the moderator for bugs.sugarlabs.org? When I re-assigned the issue to Anurag, it said that the bug will have to flow through Sascha Silbe.
[23:31] <alsroot> manusheel: I have admin privileges as well but not confident about track workflows
[23:31]  * alsroot looks
[23:32] <alsroot> manusheel: what ticket number you meant?
[23:35] <manusheel> alsroot: I mean bug #2195
[23:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 2195 in gnome-panel (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "new menu item not listed if .desktop unpacked before the TryExec binary (dups: 1) (heat: 1)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2195
[23:36] <manusheel> meant*
[23:36] <manusheel> alsroot - http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2195
[23:38] <alsroot> manusheel: try once more
[23:41] <alsroot> manusheel: there is no need, owner was already changed
[23:43] <manusheel> alsroot: Sure, Aleksey.Thank you.
[23:44] <alsroot> np
[23:44] <manusheel> alsroot: It seems there is a lead time associated with change of owner, which is fine.


[16:01] <hallyn> build-deps for main don't have to be in main any more?  Interesting.  A teensie bit scary.
[18:07] <sarnold> hallyn: yeah, the idea was for the things used to build documentation etc to live in universe, to reduce MIR queue depth
[18:08] <hallyn> which sounds practical, but less safe.
[18:08] <sarnold> hallyn: this does worry me a bit, but there's no denying the mir queue depth was way too long in the past. (it's better but not great now :)
[18:08] <hallyn> yeah, and it's better than having the mir team have to work too hastily


[12:30] <gary_poster> allo
[12:30] <gary_poster> benji danilos gmb call in 2
[12:31] <gmb> k
[12:31] <danilos> ack
[13:26]  * gmb -> late lunch / errands
[14:11] <benji> doh! gary_poster: I forgot to mention that I have a dentist appointment today at 4:00
[14:11] <gary_poster> benji, :-) ok thanks for heads up
[16:27] <gary_poster> lunch
[17:00]  * gmb -> evening
[17:33] <gary_poster> hey benji.  I encountered what appears to be a regeression from sometime in the past several months of lazr.restful.  If you pass an If-Matches ETag when you patch, you get, at least in the case of patching the display_name of a user, the original value, not the modified value, in the returned representation.  If you do not use If-Matches, everything is fine (new value is used).
[17:33] <gary_poster> This appears to be a regression because we had an old windmill test that called code that adds the If-Matches code.
[17:33] <gary_poster> Does this happen to ring a bell, or should I just dig in?  I'm starting to dig in now. :-)
[17:35] <benji> gary_poster: we made some changes to the etag code about 8 or 10 months ago; other than that it doesn't ring a bell
[17:35] <gary_poster> ok cool, thanks benji.  digging :-)
[19:32]  * benji heads to the dentist.
[20:45] <gary_poster> Oneiric and Python 2.6 source install are not friends
[20:45] <gary_poster> _ssl not found, even though it is there
[20:55] <gary_poster> here's hoping lazr.restful tests pass with python 2.7
[20:55] <gary_poster> they do!  we're in business.