[00:01] <kizzo> wgrant: Cool, thanks.
[00:21] <racecar56> how can i unsubscribe from all bugs with a few clicks
[00:21] <racecar56> or just make it where it doesn't send me emails or something
[00:22] <wgrant> That is what we call patience.
[00:45] <lfaraone> wgrant: thanks.
[00:45] <lfaraone> wgrant: is there a bug about that? :)
[00:46] <wgrant> lfaraone: Probably, but I don't know the number.
[04:06] <ub3rst4r> does anyone know how to report a project?
[04:07] <micahg> ub3rst4r: what do you mean report a project?
[04:08] <ub3rst4r> i found a project thats registered and its just registered to point people to a website to download a product
[04:09] <ub3rst4r> https://launchpad.net/winsystemcleaner
[04:10] <ub3rst4r> i dont think thats following the rules of the apache license
[04:12] <ub3rst4r> and english isnt a programming language...
[04:35] <spm> bleh. s/he's gone. oh well: ub3rst4r, thanks; have disabled and noted on the whiteboard for that project that it
[04:35] <spm> s just a placeholder.
[05:03] <micahg> sorry spm, got distracted :)
[05:03] <spm> heh. no worries.
[07:18] <mwhudson> how can i see the changelog entries for other than the most recent upload of a package in the ppa?
[07:18] <mwhudson> i guess i can read the changelog in the .diff.gz...
[07:19] <wgrant> mwhudson: You could alternatively search for superseded packages as well.
[07:20] <mwhudson> wgrant: ah yes
[09:16] <cristim> hello, would it be possible to have the opportunity to rename packages when copying them from another person's PPA into one's, for another ubuntu version
[09:16] <bigjools> cristim: no, that will never be possible
[09:16] <cristim> like from jaunty3 to karmic1?
[09:16] <cristim> and what's the proper way to do it?
[09:17] <bigjools> that sounds like a version, not a name?
[09:17] <cristim> yes
[09:17] <bigjools> you don't need to change the version
[09:17] <bigjools> in fact you should not, because it would be confusing to have the same source with different versions
[09:18] <cristim> isn't weird that you have a karmic package named foo-1.0-jaunty3?
[09:18] <bigjools> that's how Ubuntu works too, it just means the package was promoted from a lower series
[09:18] <cristim> ok, so there's no problem
[09:19] <bigjools> yep :)
[09:19] <cristim> sorry for asking dumb questions, today I started packaging for ubuntu and I had no debian packaging experience
[09:20] <cristim> the procedure is a lot more complex than what I was used to when making gentoo ebuilds for my overlay
[09:29] <cristim> and is it ok co copy packages from another person's PPA, where thay fail to build?
[09:30] <cristim> so that I can fix them and their deps in my PPA
[09:30] <bigjools> the best thing to do in that case is to download their source package, then fix it
[09:30] <bigjools> otherwise you'll just be re-building a failing package
[09:30] <bigjools> if you want packaging tips, a good place to go is #ubuntu-motu
[09:31] <cristim> the source may not be broken, but it may miss a dependency that I compiled in my PPA
[09:31] <cristim> thanks!
[09:31] <bigjools> ah in that case copy it
[09:31] <bigjools> you're welcome
[09:32] <cristim> I'm moving to -motu
[09:45] <glen> how do i enable cvs/svn like keywords ($Id:$ $Date:$) expansion in launcpad, is it possible afterall?
[10:09] <pkern> Are pings to Launchpad supposed to work?
[10:12] <wgrant> pkern: They work for me.
[10:15] <pkern> Yay connectivity restored.
[10:15] <pkern> wgrant: Well they ended at telia for me.
[10:31] <GaryvdM> Hi - I just want to confirm, If I have a branch that has other branches stacked on it, can I safely rename it.
[10:31] <GaryvdM> i.e. will the other branches be pointed to the new name?
[10:43] <moradan> hello, for some days a po file is in the state "needs review" - when can I expect it?
[10:44] <moradan> project is "rugretl"
[11:45] <GaryvdM> moradan - I'm a translations noob, but I just thought I could have a go at you question. Where do you see that status. I see nothing here: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/rugretl
[11:46] <GaryvdM> *your
[13:25] <maxb> If there's an admin around with a spare moment, perhaps they could hit the 'approve mailing list' for https://edge.launchpad.net/~svn -- thanks! :-)
[13:27] <dholbach> hello
[13:30] <dholbach> does anybody know what I'm doing wrong if   launchpad.people["ubuntu-cl"]   gives me https://api.edge.launchpad.net/beta/~ubuntu-cl (as lazr.restfulclient.resource.Entry) and  team.owner  gives me  AttributeError: 'Entry' object has no attribute 'owner' ?
[13:33] <maxb> dholbach: launchpad.people['ubuntu-cl'].team_owner
[13:33] <dholbach> argh
[13:34] <dholbach> thanks a lot maxb
[13:34] <goundy> hey
[13:34] <goundy> what's that code ?
[13:34] <dholbach> I got confused with the naming of keys in my own database
[13:34] <dholbach> thanks maxb
[13:34] <dholbach> goundy: https://launchpad.net/loco-directory
[13:34] <goundy> thanks :)
[13:41] <maxb> Ursinha: Are you someone who can authorise mailing list requests?
[13:41] <Ursinha> maxb, yes sir
[13:42] <maxb> team ~svn would like one, if you don't mind. It's a group of people collaborating on a PPA, which I think qualifies it as more 'Launchpad' than 'Ubuntu'
[13:50] <Ursinha> maxb, I see the requested ml
[13:50] <Ursinha> maxb, it's approved
[14:34] <maxb> "Policy:  You must be a team member to subscribe to the team mailing list. " --- is this configurable? Or is it just boilerplate displayed confusingly near to the configuration options?
[14:51] <Goundy> guys
[14:51] <Goundy> Is it possible to change the launchpad layout ?
[14:51] <Goundy> for my project
[14:51] <Goundy> Actually I don't want to set a custom one, I just want to get back the old launchpad template
[14:51] <Goundy> it's much more good looking than the current one
[15:33] <Goundy> Is it possible to change the launchpad layout ?
[15:34] <Goundy> Actually I don't want to set a custom one, I just want to get back the old launchpad template for my project
[16:46]  * apw wonders if launchpad just went poof
[16:46] <apw> both edge and main server seem absent
[16:50] <Ursinha> hi apw, what's going on?
[16:51] <apw> i think both edge and main launchpad servers are hanging on me
[16:51] <Ursinha> apw, what are you trying to do? seems to be working here
[16:52] <apw> load any bugs at all
[16:52] <Ursinha> apw, do you have an url, please? :)
[16:52] <apw> perhaps its just edge now ...
[16:53] <apw> it was caliming to be waiting on just launchpad.net, but they are all now waiting on edge
[16:53] <apw> seems to be back now, ignore me
[16:54] <Ursinha> :)
[16:55] <Ursinha> no problem apw, thanks for reporting it
[16:55] <Ursinha> apw, please, come back if you hit this issue again
[16:55] <Ursinha> thanks
[16:55] <Ursinha> :)
[16:55] <apw> you can be sure if it :)
[18:32] <edsu> is it possible to remove a lp repo?
[18:33] <beuno> edsu, sure, just delete the branch
[18:37] <edsu> is it not possible to make https://code.launchpad.net/pymarc 404 ?
[18:38] <beuno> edsu, I don't think so
[18:38] <beuno> you would need to delete the whole project
[18:38] <beuno> what's the problem?
[18:38] <edsu> is it not possible to delete the whole project then?
[18:39] <beuno> edsu, do you own it?
[18:39] <beuno> if you do, ask a question in Launchpad, and a sysadmin will look at it
[18:40] <edsu> i do own it yes
[20:15] <glen> ok, so now my items are in failed state. what should i do next? try uploading once again? https://translations.launchpad.net/eventum/trunk/+imports
[20:16] <glen> i got hit by this bug they said: https://launchpad.net/bugs/464161
[20:16] <glen> danilos: you're around?
[21:03] <webm0nk3y> is bazaar.launchpad.com having problems?
[21:20] <thumper> webm0nk3y: I'm chasing some issues
[21:39] <bialix> hello, I have problem with codehosting
[21:40] <bialix> yesterday I've upgraded trunk branch of qbzr project to 2a format and pushed it to LP
[21:40] <bialix> now it available as lp:qbzr
[21:40] <bialix> couple of pushes was OK, now the branch is "stuck"
[21:41] <rockstar> bialix, hi
[21:41] <bialix> I'm still can push, but page on LP permanently said that branch is updated
[21:41] <bialix> and no email with notifications arrive
[21:41] <bialix> hi rockstar
[21:41] <rockstar> thumper, ^^
[21:42] <bialix> it's more than 7hours nopw
[21:42] <bialix> it's more than 7hours now
[21:42] <bialix> does it related to 2a format?
[21:42] <bialix> I hope our upgarde to 2a was not mistake
[21:42] <thumper> I'm chasing an issue about our server processes not running
[21:42] <thumper> which includes email sending
[21:42] <bialix> oops
[21:43] <thumper> bialix: I don't think it is related to your change :)
[21:43] <bialix> OK, that's good
[21:43] <bialix> thumper: email notification can wait, I'm mostly interesting that access by http will work too
[21:44] <bialix> so if you say that problem is known, then I won't bother you today anymore
[21:44] <thumper> bialix: check loggerhead
[21:44] <bialix> thanks
[21:45] <thumper> bialix: or bzr revno http://...
[21:45] <bialix> loggerhead page is uptodate
[21:47] <bialix> can I help with other info?
[21:47] <bialix> thumper: http is fine.
[21:47] <thumper> bialix: cool
[21:48] <thumper> bialix: it just looks like the crons for all the branch jobs were stopped
[21:48] <thumper> and I'm trying to find out why
[21:48] <thumper> I don't have access to those machiens
[21:48] <bialix> ah, understand
[21:48] <bialix> so I assume nothing terrible serious
[22:53] <bt> hi, im subscribed to a duplicate bug on in ubuntu on lp, however i don't have permission to view the parent bug. is this normal?
[22:58] <micahg> bt: possibly, you can check in #ubuntu-bugs to see if someone can make it public
[22:58] <bt> it was an apport reported bug, i'm not too interested in it, just wondered why i couldn't see
[22:59] <bt> thanks :)
[23:00] <wgrant> bt: The bug probably contains a core dump, which could contain sensitive info.
[23:00] <bt> ah wicked
[23:00] <bt> i'll leave them to it


[04:31] <RubenAlonzo> Greetings Everyone, just installed Ubuntu 12.10 on my Nexus 7. Really enjoying it so far after a couple hours use.
[04:33] <RubenAlonzo> Hello/
[04:33] <RubenAlonzo> ?


[17:48] <Gratz474> i can disalbe it from the gnome menu right?
[17:48] <cabrey> Gratz474: go to appearance > visual effects to disable it
[17:49] <Gratz474> yes, i did that
[17:49] <Gratz474> will i be able to have any effects? hehe
[17:49] <cabrey> Gratz474: have you followed the other steps yet?
[17:50] <Sky_> do i also have the feature to use the usb stick for my documents and settings with unetbootin ?
[17:50] <Gratz474> im there cabrey
[17:50] <cabrey> Gratz474: is the window "Configuration Editor" open?
[17:50] <Gratz474> yes
[17:50] <Mesaph> I just tried to boot it using unetbootin, but it freezes after checking the battery state. ...
[17:50] <cabrey> Gratz474: good. Now expand "apps"
[17:50] <bazhang> Sky_, you mean a persistent live usb? or a usb installer stick
[17:51] <mysticdarkhack> anyone here have problems with youtube in totem
[17:51] <cabrey> Gratz474: then expand "metacity" and click on general
[17:51] <cabrey> Gratz474: finally check the box next to "compositing_manager"
[17:51] <mysticdarkhack> it seem I get an error when trying to play youtube video from totem
[17:51] <Sky_> i mean both :)
[17:51] <Gratz474> cabrey, i dont see metacity
[17:52] <cabrey> Gratz474: scroll down
[17:52] <bazhang> Sky_, two separate sticks then?
[17:52] <Sky_> no, both in one, it should be persistent and live and you should have the option to install
[17:53] <mysticdarkhack> Message: Error: GStreamer encountered a general supporting library error.
[17:53] <mysticdarkhack> gstffmpegdemux.c(1243): gst_ffmpegdemux_open (): /GstPlayBin2:play/GstURIDecodeBin:uridecodebin0/GstDecodeBin2:decodebin20/ffdemux_swf:ffdemux_swf0:
[17:53] <mysticdarkhack> Input/output error
[17:53] <bazhang> Sky_, afaik unetbootin does not have the persistent feature, but is an installer
[17:53] <mysticdarkhack> sorry about that
[17:53] <Gratz474> cabrey, ok yea did that
[17:53] <Gratz474> i am in the compositing now
[17:53] <Mesaph> okay, I just rebootet again and it seems to work
[17:53] <cabrey> Gratz474: you checked it off?
[17:53] <Gratz474> it was not on
[17:54] <mysticdarkhack> I'm guess it probably gstreamer
[17:54] <cabrey> Gratz474: ok and compiz _was_ disabled before you did this, right?
[17:54] <Gratz474> yes
[17:54] <Gratz474> compiz was disables
[17:54] <Gratz474> and compositing was not checked in the metacity
[17:54] <dooglus> this 'find best repository' bug is already in the tracker, and marked as 'fix committed' since 2007
[17:54] <cabrey> Gratz474: ok go try whatever and see if it is faster and don't close anything
[17:54] <Gratz474> i ma not in its compoisitng thing i can tell
[17:54] <dooglus> what do I do to indicate that it isn't really fixed?
[17:55] <Gratz474> cabrey, it is faster yes
[17:55] <cabrey> Gratz474: ok so it is a bug with compiz. you can leave metacity running but you won't really have any effects or you can use compiz and have a slightly slower browser
[17:55] <Gratz474> cabrey, hmm
[17:56] <cabrey> Gratz474: or you can use chromium with compiz, but it's up to you
[17:56] <yoritomo> hello all
[17:57] <yoritomo> how to reinstall grub 1 under karmic? waiting for the final version i will return on it
[17:57] <yoritomo> really to sslow the beta 1.97
[17:59] <Sky_> the cdrom doesn't seem to be the problem, if i put in any disk while booting from usb , the errors disappear, but it still takes 5min !!!
[18:00] <Ademan> so wait, is /boot/grub/menu.lst no longer used? now it's /boot/grub/grub.cfg? which is an autogened file?
[18:01] <Berzerker-> grub.cfg is auto genned
[18:01] <Berzerker-> the menu.lst is now /etc/default/grub
[18:01] <Berzerker-> once that is updated, you sudo update-grub
[18:01] <Berzerker-> and it gens the cfg file
[18:02] <Ademan> ah thanks Berzerker- I was wondering why my menu.lst wasn't being obeyed (I have to wonder why i still have one, I did the "install over everything but /home")
[18:02] <yoritomo> yes but i don't want grub 2 anymore, very slow, i want to downgrade to grub 1
[18:03] <robotti^> hello
[18:04] <Berzerker-> Ademan, if you upgrade from jaunty, it keeps the old grub stuff
[18:05] <Berzerker-> yoritomo, grub 2 is much faster than grub 1
[18:05] <yoritomo> i have a black sreen, "grub loading" during 10 sec before to see grub menu :(
[18:06]  * Blues-Man good blues bye
[18:06] <Ademan> Berzerker-: well is it really an upgrade when you install over everything but /home ?
[18:06] <Berzerker-> Ademan, sure, /home is just YOUR files. /home is pretty much only folders when you first install ubuntu.
[18:07] <Berzerker-> the real OS is everything except /home
[18:07] <Ademan> Berzerker-: exactly, so if you wipe everything but /home, that's more like a fresh install than an upgrade
[18:08] <Berzerker-> Ademan, but if you go through the dist-upgrade path, it doesn't wipe. unless you wiped and installed.
[18:08] <yoritomo> no, i did a clean install with a ext4fs partition
[18:09] <Ademan> Berzerker-: i didn't dist-upgrade, i installed over everything but /home (it's an option if you choose manual partitioning in the installer from the desktop cd)
[18:09] <rafferty> anyone have luck with Sound on Thinkpads with karmic?
[18:10] <Berzerker-> Ademan, ok then it's not an upgrade.
[18:10] <Berzerker-> Ademan, for some reason they keep the menu.lst then
[18:10] <yoritomo> no
[18:10] <nick125> Hmm. I'm having a problem getting my USB speakers working in Karmic. I get an error from pulseaudio like such: Oct 23 11:09:10 nick-laptop pulseaudio[3482]: module-udev-detect.c: Tried to configure /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb5/5-1/5-1:1.0/sound/card1 (alsa_card.usb-Bose_Corporation_Bose_USB_Audio-00) more often than 5 times in 10s
[18:10] <nick125> Any ideas?
[18:10] <yoritomo> i wanted to avoid problems to be sure about the REAL beta problems
[18:11] <nick125> If I have the speakers plugged in when I boot, they work fine.
[18:11] <Pici> rafferty: I'm not having any issues on my T60
[18:12] <MaT-dg> I have a problem with the ISO of 9.10. When burned to CD-RW brasero gets stuck on 'creating image checksum'. I can cancel this and it finishes but doesn't boot. When creating bootable usb stick with unetbootin the process gets stuck on 5%.
[18:12] <rafferty> thanks Pici. Just did a clean install on my x200 and no go. followed troubleshooting guide, tinkered with alsa... no hope.
[18:13] <bazhang> MaT-dg, gets stuck at 5 per cent for how long
[18:14] <MaT-dg> bazhang: wait nevermind, just started to move again... I guess about 10-15mins on 5%
[18:14] <bazhang> MaT-dg, I had that same issue, it does hang there for a bit then picks up after a while
[18:14] <Gratz474> what exactly is XGL ?
[18:14] <rafferty> Mat-dg - I've experienced a 20-minute time frame in the past.
[18:15] <Ademan> Gratz474: something you don't want, it's a replacement X server
[18:15] <MaT-dg> bazhang: now 0% on 'installing bootloader' hope it goes well to after a while :P
[18:15] <bazhang> its taken me a couple of tries in the past before it works, but its the only one I've found that does work
[18:15] <Ademan> hey mzz if you're around, i didn't find any gconf keys for gdm's simple-greeter to set the gtkrc
[18:15] <Gratz474> Ademan, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-617004.html
[18:15] <Gratz474> Ademan, i was thinking of maybe trying that
[18:17] <Ademan> Gratz474: exactly what is your problem? XGL is old and, you don't want it...
[18:17] <Ademan> Gratz474: or were you wanting to try it for the heck of it?
[18:17] <Gratz474> Ademan, with compiz firefox scrolling is maybe just 10 percent slower then without it
[18:17] <Gratz474> was trying to get that 10 percent nad have compiz
[18:17] <Ademan> Gratz474: you'll have a whole host of other problems with XGL
[18:18] <Gratz474> I see
[18:18] <kulight> im trying to gget tv using dvb i get video but no sound. any one had this problem ?
[18:18] <Gratz474> Ademan, i wonder if theres some compiz effect that is known to do this or if its the just the compositor in gneral
[18:18] <Gratz474> general
[18:24] <Ademan> Gratz474: that could be, I would expect that it's an issue with GL_EXT_texture_from_pixmap with certain drivers, is firefox too slow to be usable at the moment?
[18:24] <Gratz474> Ademan, oh no its pretty much perfect :)
[18:25] <Gratz474> just if i turn off compiz its like 10 percent better
[18:25] <Gratz474> still usable by all means
[18:25] <Gratz474> thsi is compiz with full effects as well
[18:26] <Gratz474> Ademan, maybe thats just something i have to live iwth hehe
[18:26] <Gratz474> i mean this is like 5- year old hardware
[18:27] <Ademan> Gratz474: ah, so it is noticable though? hrm... sorry, i mean Xgl isn't supported anymore anyways.  (and actually i was wrong, Xgl apparently isn't an independent X server)
[18:27] <om26er> is there any device manager for ubuntu??
[18:27] <Ademan> om26er: what are you trying to do?
[18:27] <om26er> Ademan: i wanna know which device i am using and is the driver working
[18:27] <Ademan> om26er: device for what?...
[18:28] <om26er> i tried 7.10 live cd and it had device manager
[18:28] <om26er> Ademan: my wifi sound card etc
[18:28] <Gratz474> Ademan, i mean if you ever used the other way it might not be but if i turn off compiz there is a minor improvement
[18:28] <Gratz474> Ademan, more so when scrollling reealllll fast
[18:28] <cabrey> Gratz474: Did you try my advice?
[18:28] <Gratz474> you can see a skip here or there with compiz on
[18:28] <Gratz474> cabrey, huh? i stepped away
[18:29] <cabrey> Gratz474: I said if you don't need the extensions of firefox, you can try the chromium browser which is a lot faster and smoother
[18:29] <Ademan> Gratz474: ah, yeah I expect it's an issue with GL_EXT_texture_from_pixmap.  out of curiosity what driver/card are you using?
[18:29] <Gratz474> intel 865G
[18:30] <Gratz474> cabrey, is int in the ubuntu repo?
[18:30] <cabrey> Gratz474: a ppa
[18:30] <Gratz474> ppa?
[18:30] <cabrey> !ppa | Gratz474
[18:30] <Ademan> Gratz474: naw, there's a ppa for it though, it's nice, but I only use it when i don't feel like waiting for firefox to load and restore all 50 tabs i had up lol
[18:30] <Gratz474> i mean, ephiphany scrolling is not so good here
[18:30] <Ademan> (no ad block plus is a big issue though...)
[18:30] <cabrey> Gratz474: well epiphany is not chromium, now is it?
[18:31] <Gratz474> take taht back but its ok
[18:31] <Gratz474> i guess ephiphany is alright
[18:31] <Gratz474> sitll firefox is a bit smoother
[18:31] <Ademan> than epiphany? wouldn't have expected that
[18:32]  * cabrey facepalms
[18:32] <Gratz474> cabrey, i dont mind using the chrome stuff for normal browsering now but firebug :)
[18:32] <Gratz474> atleast I know what the problem is
[18:32] <Gratz474> its the compositing stuff
[18:32] <Gratz474> and prolly either the intel driver is not optimized in that little specific area or something
[18:32] <Gratz474> or its just tooo old
[18:32] <cabrey> whatever, I give up
[18:33] <om26er> Gratz474: fyi new intel driver is way man way more better than the jaunty's
[18:33] <cbx33> hey guys
[18:33] <cbx33> how do we install flash player in Karmic?
[18:33] <Gratz474> om26er, oh yea i know i am using 9.10 now
[18:33] <cbx33> Gratz474: are you talking about the mobile one?
[18:34] <Ademan> cbx33: just install ubuntu-restricted-extras and you'll get flash and a whole bunch of video codecs
[18:34] <cbx33> like mobile intel chipset?
[18:34] <Gratz474> om26er, the last one was not even what i would consider usable
[18:34] <Gratz474> talking intel 82865G
[18:34] <Gratz474> desktop
[18:34] <cabrey> cbx33: don't enable the partner repo
[18:34] <Ademan> cbx33: although the actual flash player is flashplugin-nonfree or something similar
[18:34] <cbx33> thought so that's all I want for now
[18:34] <om26er> Gratz474: yes last driver was poor with video playback and compiz too now both work great
[18:34] <Gratz474> really more or less just nit picking i mean its pretty much perfect
[18:35] <tntc> is there a problem with Karmic and hddtemp not starting?
[18:35] <Ademan> tntc: have you checked launchpad? the likelyhood that someone is also trying to use hddtemp in here and is in the same timezone, and isn't afk, seems a bit slim lol
[18:37] <Gratz474> i just reallly wish i could use XAA with my intel card, but they took it out
[18:37] <Gratz474> it gave the best performance
[18:37] <cabrey> Gratz474: it was also very old tech
[18:37] <yoritomo> i came back just finished to eat the blood sausage
[18:37] <Gratz474> cabrey, i am sure, but i was just talking about what gave me a tad bit faster scrolling ;)
[18:38] <Gratz474> i wonder if there is some tweak i can do for compiz to make it a bit better
[18:38] <Gratz474> or maybe its the intel drivers heh
[18:38] <cabrey> Gratz474: so you've told me 8 million times....
[18:38] <tntc> Ademan: I have, and there was little information and nothing matching my current experience.  I doubt it is a real bug.
[18:39] <Gratz474> cabrey, 8 million + 1
[18:39] <tntc> My next question was going to be "What could cause HDDtemp to not start?"
[18:39] <Gratz474> oh the good old days of xaa
[18:42] <Ademan> tntc: sorry, "check launchpad" was all i had :-/
[18:43] <tntc> haha! that's ok.  I checked it on my netbook and it launched fine, so I'm going to troubleshoot it by hand.
[18:43] <yoritomo> Berzerker  is it true grub2 faster than 1 ? when laoding i see the hdd working like a crazing on the black screen "loading grub" for 10secs then i finally see the menu
[18:43] <honka> guys how can I unmount root after boot toram option is used?
[18:43] <yoritomo> do you know what can be coming this problem from ?
[18:44] <yoritomo> is it due to ext4fs partitition  ?
[18:44] <yoritomo> first time i passed on ext4
[18:45] <nxnn14> hi i am having trouble with my wired internet connection and was wondering if someone could please help me troubleshoot the problem
[18:46] <nxnn14> the problem has been around since Hardy and persists everytime I update even now with karmic
[18:46] <Gratz474> hmm actually the metacity compositor, scrolling does not work so well in that either, the true test is with smooth scrolling on heh
[18:48] <honka> I need to boot from hard disk partition in live mode.I'm doing it.But the partition is mounted in the /cdrom.How can I unmout it?
[18:48] <honka> I ve booted in RAM mode
[18:48] <nxnn14> the problem is that my ethernet only works after I reboot not from a cold boot. There is an error message that looks like Unsupported PM Caps regs version(7) on reboot
[18:49] <honka> so everything should be in the ram and should be able to unmount root and unlock the hard disk partition for changes
[18:49] <honka> how to do that? regular unmount does not work
[18:49] <nxnn14> My network card is realtek rtl8101e
[18:49] <Pici> nxnn14: What version of Ubuntu are you using? You seem to be asking in more than one channel at once and this one is only for the development version: 9.10
[18:50] <nxnn14> I am using karmic currently, however the problem has persisted from hardy to ibex to jaunty and now karmic
[18:50] <nxnn14> so it sorta fits both
[18:50] <Pici> nxnn14: Is there a bug logged for the issue?
[18:51] <nxnn14> and since no one was responding i posted in both
[18:51] <nxnn14> not sure
[18:51] <nxnn14> i am pretty much a novice with this
[18:51] <Gratz474> is it possible to overlock intel onboard graphics?
[18:51] <matrixblue> anyone have any errors compiling gspca in karmic?
[18:52] <Kovert> where can i file a bug?
[18:52] <nxnn14> pici it was one of those things I have learned to live with and am finally getting back to trying to fix it
[18:52] <Pici> nxnn14: I'd start with looking for that error on launchpad
[18:52] <Kovert> !bug
[18:53] <nxnn14> ok
[18:53] <thiebaude> what folder is the default wallpapers in?
[18:53] <cabrey> thiebaude: /usr/share/backgrounds
[18:53] <thiebaude> cabrey, thanks , mate
[18:54] <nxnn14> pici don't really see anything there
[18:55] <nxnn14> pici i have looked through the forums and googled it and found some hits but no solutions just people saying that they have this problem
[18:56] <Kovert> ubuntu-bug vmware-package
[18:57] <nxnn14> its annoying to have to boot twice everytime I turn on my computer
[18:58] <Pici> nxnn14: I'd start by logging a bug against your kernel.  run: ubuntu-bug linux
[19:00] <nxnn14> pici ok I can do that...the error that shows up that when the ethernet does eventually work is Unsupported PM Caps regs version(7) which seems to mean that ubuntu doesnt like the power managment version of the network card but that's all I can think og
[19:00] <Kovert> can some one file a bug for me? I dont seem to be able to
[19:01] <mzz> Ademan: gdm gtkrc: there's /gnome/interface/gtk_theme or something like that, currently set to HumanLogin, so it picks up /usr/share/themes/HumanLogin/gtk-2.0/gtkrc. You can probably change that to pick up a different theme (from /var/lib/gdm/.themes/ or /usr/share/themes). Or putting a .gtkrc-2.0 in /var/lib/gdm may also work.
[19:03] <honka> do you guys know if gparted has a irc channel?
[19:03] <Kovert> So no one can file a bug for me?
[19:03] <Pici> Kovert: Why can't you file the bug?
[19:04] <Kovert> i have tried cant get to the right place
[19:04] <Pici> Kovert: Well, what happens when you try?
[19:04] <Kovert> nothing i do the type alt -F2 the windowes opens i type the bug and nothing happens
[19:05] <nxnn14> pici i have filed the bug
[19:05] <Pici> Kovert: can you try from a terminal window?
[19:05] <Kovert> sure
[19:06] <Kovert> nxnn14: my bug?
[19:06] <nxnn14> so no one has any ideas on this Unsupported PM Caps regs version(7) thing and why my network card would only work after a reboot?
[19:06] <mrwes> hrmm RC is out aye?
[19:06] <nxnn14> kovert, no my bug :)
[19:07] <Kovert> nxnn14: oh :-(
[19:07] <nxnn14> sorry kovert
[19:07] <Ademan> mzz: OH, i was looking under /apps/gdm thanks!
[19:07] <Kovert> Pici: someting i now hapopening
[19:08] <Kovert> Pici: tHANKS IT SENT IT
[19:08] <Ademan> mzz: also just fyi, as a normal user I remember creating a gtkrc for using with fluxbox (since it didn't start gnome-settings-daemon) and it overrode what gnome-settings-daemon did when i chose a gnome session
[19:12] <x-Na> So, another try...
[19:12] <x-Na> I upgraded my Jaunty server to Karmic. Seems that mysql upgrade didn't go as expected, as it won't start
[19:13] <x-Na> When starting, I see only "fail!" from the initscript and nothing is written to logs
[19:13] <maco> there is no boot log
[19:13] <maco> did you run it post-boot as well?
[19:13] <x-Na> Yes
[19:14] <x-Na> It just fails, without giving any clues why
[19:14] <mzz> Ademan: that sounds about right, but if you just want to point it at a different theme's gtkrc, not at a custom one, using gconf arguably makes more sense
[19:16] <yoritomo> can anyone help me to downgrade to grub1 under karmic 64 ?
[19:16] <cbx33> anyone managed to get bluetooth networking running with network manager?
[19:16] <cbx33> It was in the release notes
[19:17] <cbx33> but I paried a mobile phone to it and it didn't work
[19:17] <rob0> x-Na, my WAG, not knowing much about Ubuntu nor mysql, would be that the mysql's backend Berkeley DB has changed, and a dump under Jaunty then restore under Karmic might fix it.
[19:17] <honka> guys , how to boot from hard disk and put everything into ram, so after the boot up is done I can unmount every partition on the disk?
[19:18] <Ademan> mzz: agreed, by the way, you don't happen to know what calls the /etc/gdm/*/Default scripts do you?
[19:20] <x-Na> rob0, probably, but from my point of view I'd say there might be a bug, and after karmic release there might be a lot of unhappy mysql-users...
[19:21] <mbeierl> honka - boot from the live cd instead?  There's not really a way to do what your asking
[19:21] <x-Na> I'll probly just purge mysql-server installation alltogether with all the apps using it, then it'd probably work...
[19:21] <Brian_> ok i just installed karmic rc and my wifi doesnt work i have a broadcom 4300 card  isnt broadcom suposed to work
[19:23] <rob0> mbeierl: there certainly is, but you're right in that it's not worth the trouble. Live CD's/USB sticks are much easier.
[19:23] <mbeierl> rob0: :)
[19:25] <Brian_> what do i gotta do to get the drivers i need for the broadcom
[19:26] <rob0> Brian_: http://www.google.com/search?q=b43+karmic might get you started in the right direction, also search the wiki.
[19:28] <Brian_> so the b43-fwcutter is what i need then
[19:29] <ectropy> I had an unclean shutdown and am now getting "error: invalid environment block" on bootup, _before_ I can "e" into grub. I'm currently booted into my liveusb and I need help mounting my HD so I can edit /etc/default/grub.
[19:35] <martinx_> Guys! I have Karmic and Eucalyptus running smoothly but, I can not run a Instance that I have installed through the "Store" at the euclayptus admin interface... the console.log of my Instance shows:
[19:35] <martinx_> mountall: mount /mnt [785] terminated with status 32
[19:35] <martinx_> mountall: Filesystem could not be mounted: /mnt
[19:35] <martinx_>  * Waiting for EC2 meta-data service                                            One or more of the mounts listed in /etc/fstab cannot yet be mounted:
[19:35] <martinx_> (ESC for recovery shell)
[19:36] <martinx_> Anyone knows if I missing something!
[19:36] <martinx_> ?
[19:36] <martinx_>  _  /mnt: waiting for /dev/sda2
[19:40] <jbear> I can't decrypt files
[19:41] <jbear> using passwords and encryption keys
[19:42] <x-Na> But is there a way to get that initscript spill out something more verbose than just that "fail!"?
[19:43] <Jordan_U_> x-Na: Depending on what you are trying to do, you might want to add "set -x" to the beggining of the script
[19:49] <ectropy> I had an unclean shutdown and am now getting "error: invalid environment block" on bootup, _before_ I can "e" into grub. I'm currently booted into my liveusb and I need help mounting my HD so I can edit /etc/default/grub. ...then I need help running update-grub. apparently I have to chroot
[19:52] <martinx_> Is there some IRC channel to talk about Eucalyptus and Karmic?!
[19:54] <brianV> could someone look at their default fonts and post them? Something I installed totally messed them up
[19:54] <brianV> I'd like to know what the defaults are so I can reset them
[19:54] <om26er> brian: san sans sans sans bold monospace
[19:54] <rphillips> where should I look for documentation on how grub gets setup in Ubuntu 9.10? I need to change the devies to /dev/mdX devices for a raid setup
[19:54] <brianV> om26er: what sizes?
[19:54] <genii> !grub2
[19:55] <om26er> 10
[19:55] <brianV> om26er: (and thanks!)
[19:55] <rphillips> thanks
[19:58] <rob0> x-Na: Don't use the init script at all. Run it (what the script would do) from the command line. If necessary, strace(1) it.
[20:06] <rphillips> i don't see any documentation regarding grub2 and raid configuration. Does anyone know where to look?
[20:08] <x-Na> Hmmh, only error i see is that mysql says plugin table is missing. But to create a plugin table, I need to have a running mysql, but I can't run mysql because plugin table doesn't exist...
[20:08] <assoguerozen_sx> guys, is already time to add some ppas to keep my 9.10 with some bleeding edge software?
[20:09] <Sargun> I can't wait until 9.10!
[20:10] <rezd> Sargun: download the beta then. :-)
[20:11] <Sargun> rezd, I think I might convert from gentoo to Ubuntu 9.10
[20:12] <assoguerozen_sx> such a dirty job
[20:13] <x-Na> Oh well, probably the easiest way is to purge everything mysql-related, dunno how many other ppl will see this behaviour too
[20:16] <rob0> Can you not boot the old Jaunty install, or chroot into it, and start mysql?
[20:17] <tgpraveen> !info wine
[20:17] <tgpraveen> assoguerozen_sx: hmm wine is at 1.32 so yeah
[20:18] <tgpraveen> 1.1.32
[20:18] <assoguerozen_sx> tgpraveen i think they already frozed packages
[20:18] <assoguerozen_sx> with RC and shit
[20:20] <assoguerozen_sx> damn, 1.32
[20:24] <MaT-dg> where is ccsm in 9.10?
[20:24] <localnnuser__> ubuntu repos are for some reason extremely slow today?
[20:25] <Frickelpit> MaT-dg: apt-cache search compizconfig-settings-manager
[20:25] <thiebaude> MaT-dg, its not in your synaptic?
[20:25] <jpds> localnnuser__: Are you using a local mirror?
[20:26] <localnnuser__> ubuntu main mirror
[20:26] <assoguerozen_sx> here is a way slow too
[20:26] <MaT-dg> thiebaude: no it isn't, searched on 'compiz'
[20:26] <thiebaude> yea, slow here too
[20:26] <jpds> localnnuser__: That would explain it, as it is in London.
[20:26] <jpds> localnnuser__: Try using br.archive.ubuntu.com for example.
[20:26] <thiebaude> MaT-dg, thats strange its in my synaptic
[20:26] <localnnuser__> k... yeah but it isnt as updateed as main mirror
[20:27] <localnnuser__> plus i always have problems with other mirror, they ain synchronized or something
[20:27] <jpds> localnnuser__: Most mirrors update within 6 hours.
[20:27] <MaT-dg> localnnuser__: yes, slow here to... 115kB/s atm
[20:28] <localnnuser__> MaT-dg: 50 or 60 no more
[20:28] <jpds> MaT-dg: Are you using be.archive.ubuntu.com ?
[20:28] <arand> I can only imagine what it'll be like when final is released...
[20:29] <thiebaude> arand, yea, wait til next week
[20:29] <jpds> We have a mirror infrastruture in place for a reason.
[20:29] <jpds> Just saying.
[20:29] <MaT-dg> thiebaude: found it, enabled extra sources
[20:29] <thiebaude> MaT-dg, ok, i was thinking about 3rd party repos
[20:29] <MaT-dg> jpds: best server selects South Afrika for me :D
[20:30] <jpds> MaT-dg: That would be because they have a EU South African server to catch EU traffic in London.
[20:31] <jpds> MaT-dg: So you're not really going to South Africa, but the proxy in London. :P
[20:32] <jpds> Personally I'd just still to put $cc.archive.ubuntu.com in sources.list, as we pick the fastest and more reliable mirrors for those domains.
[20:32]  * HoopyCat gets coffee in his sinuses
[20:33]  * genii snorts more coffee
[20:33] <thiebaude> genii, haha
[20:34]  * thiebaude is installing opendns
[20:34] <genii> thiebaude: I blame it on HoopyCat, they gave me the idea
[20:34] <thiebaude> :P
[20:34] <Strogg_> is there a problem with cryptswap on karmic ?
[20:39] <bp0> is it possible to switch back to the 9.04 login screen?
[20:42] <mzz> bp0: there's a gdm-2.20 package that might help with that
[20:45] <benste> hi, i turned out to me that most sony devices e.g memorystick, camera, flashdrive and co, are detected as Music media in karmic, as this is wrong I would like to ask where I could "patch this"
[20:47] <benste> sry meant "it"
[20:50] <Pici> benste: That sounds like something that should be logged as a bug.
[20:51] <tgpraveen> benste: no. that is the default behaviour
[20:51] <ror> hi
[20:51] <benste> Pici: I'm tired of filing bug for the last two day ~ 20 now :-) - just thought someone would know
[20:51] <tgpraveen> as memory stick is used to store
[20:51] <tgpraveen> music many times,
[20:51] <tgpraveen> though for cam and flash drive
[20:51] <tgpraveen> file separate bugs
[20:51] <ror> I've lost wmv etc playback in totem/vlc but the instructions http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8046291&postcount=2 don't work for me since I don't have openshot installed, and already have the "unstripped" versions?
[20:52] <benste> tgpraveen: I'm sure it's not default - did you ever connect a camera and get two messages, 1st saying - it's photo, 2nd it's music ?
[20:52] <tgpraveen> no. you are getting 2 msgs
[20:52] <benste> tgpraveen: so all removable storage media is detcted as music ?
[20:52] <tgpraveen> that you didn't mention earlier then it's a bug
[20:52] <ror> oh wait, avformat was still the non-unstripped one, I'll try switching that one
[20:52] <benste> tgpraveen: you normally get never 2 ?
[20:53] <tgpraveen> well for eg when I connect my cellphone the sd card gets mounted and deteced as a music device
[20:53] <tgpraveen> benste: no only 1 should come
[20:53] <benste> tgpraveen: I'll try some other media fisrt and than may file a bug that all media is detected as music
[20:54] <tgpraveen> benste: the point is that since I can explore in nautilius so I can do all functions of it as a card.
[20:54] <tgpraveen> plus since it's a music device as well so when I transfer songs to it it for eg gets converted to formats
[20:54] <tgpraveen> that my cell phone supports plus tagging,album art etc features are
[20:55] <tgpraveen> available which won't be if it aint markeda music device. if you don't like that then simply browse using nautilius
[20:56] <alazyworkaholic> how can I have my computers connect to the router with a static ip?
[20:56] <benste> tgpraveen: so problem would be more generally that sony Memory stick which is in the cam could be both picture storage in cam or music on PSP ?
[20:57] <benste> alazyworkaholic: choose a static IP which is in your subnet and choose routr's IP as gateway and DNS server
[20:57] <tgpraveen> yup
[20:58] <RomD> is anyone using two or more separated x screens and is experiencing problems with gnome panels and nautilus?
[20:58] <RomD> e.g. after opening nautilus and clicking anywhere in the window, I can't click any of the items under the menu until I click on the title bar or outside the window
[20:58] <benste> tgpraveen: but what about the sony flash drive - give me one moment I'll borrow this from my dad again
[20:58] <rodneymillerpca_> Greetings all! I've updated to Ubuntu 9.10 and now receive this error in ant while compiling http://pastebin.com/d4e4cb116 anyone know how to set this correct?
[20:58] <tgpraveen> so it should probably detect using usb id of device which is inserted. benste
[20:58] <tgpraveen> benste: for flash drive it is clearly a bug . report it
[20:59] <RomD> when clicking on a gnome-panel it freezes, too. this only happens on the secondary and third monitor, not on the primary one.
[20:59] <kim__> hi guys, how to get rid of the new awn lokkalike?
[21:00] <alazyworkaholic> benste: Ok, I don't know how/where to do that. Do you know of a howto?
[21:00] <benste> I could you write one :-)
[21:01] <benste> alazyworkaholic: you don't have access to CCNA courses of Cisco ?
[21:01] <ror> ah, I still can't view wmv files in totem/vlc even after following the steps provided; gxine can do it though :(
[21:02] <benste> tgpraveen: the flash drive (Sony Microvault) is still detected as music media I'll empty it now
[21:03] <alazyworkaholic> benste: probably not, I'd never heard of them until a few moments ago.
[21:03] <benste> ror: did you install w32codecs of medibuntu ?
[21:03] <ror> benste, yes
[21:03] <ror> the other strange thing is that every time I boot up my volume slider is muted :o
[21:04] <benste> alazyworkaholic: so possibly lets do it step for step here ok - do you know your routers IP ?
[21:04] <kim__> hey guys, in the new update theres a awn/cairo dock lookalike, how do i remove it??
[21:05] <alazyworkaholic> yes, <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:05] <benste> ror: regarding the first problem:do you have a wmv for me to test mine ? - dvd works but I don't know about wmv
[21:05] <benste> alazyworkaholic: I'll set up min for it in nm-applet and upload you an screenshot ok ? - are thee any other devices in the network ?
[21:07] <alazyworkaholic> enter it as admin? I don't think the router itself has features that pin a static ip to a mac address. I wish it supported tomato or *wrt. However, an iPod Touch was able to set itself to <IP_ADDRESS>. Thanks a lot for the screenshot if you'd do that for me.
[21:07] <ror> http://www.archive.org/details/WorkToFishtestwmv
[21:07] <benste> tgpraveen: I'll defenitly file a bug against nautilus now, i've erased all data on the flash drive and it's still detected as music media - do you know which infos are neccasry - some time ago I've heard about a device id or so - where can I grab it ?
[21:07] <tgpraveen> lsusb
[21:08] <tgpraveen> benste: that will give the usb id
[21:08] <benste> alazyworkaholic: I'll set it to <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:08] <tgpraveen> type on terminal
[21:08] <benste> tgpraveen: thx
[21:08] <benste> I'll do
[21:08] <benste> wish a copy of bug report link ?
[21:08] <tgpraveen> and ubuntu-bug nautilius on terminal will help to file the bug
[21:08] <tgpraveen> sure ok
[21:08] <alazyworkaholic> benste: I have a Desktop, which needs a static address, the iPod touch which already has one, & a laptop & netbook which may remain dhcp.
[21:09] <benste> I know what you want know :-)
[21:10] <robotti^> f
[21:11] <rodneymillerpca_> Never mind, however thank you. Fix =http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-9221.html
[21:14] <benste> alazyworkaholic: http://benste.blogspot.com/2009/10/how-to-set-up-static-ip-in-karmic.html
[21:16] <benste> alazyworkaholic: hope this will help, just drop of an comment at the blog if it helped k ? - thx
[21:16] <alazyworkaholic> benste: many thanks!! I'll look around the rest of your blog too.
[21:16] <alazyworkaholic> benste: will do
[21:16] <benste> alazyworkaholic: most of it will be german - so please be warned :-)
[21:19] <benste> DOES anyone here have kind of sony USB device which's lsusb begins with 054c: ?
[21:20] <Bluey> benste: not i
[21:21] <benste> Bluey: ? and why did you answer then ¿
[21:21] <Bluey> benste: you asked a question, and I responded...
[21:21] <bp0> well.. strange... lsusb is broken for me in 9.10
[21:21] <bp0> outputs nothing
[21:21] <Bluey> benste: sorry if that offened you
[21:22] <benste> Bluey: thx for taking the time ...
[21:22] <benste> bp0: so you have one ?
[21:22] <bp0> no, nothing sony
[21:23] <bp0> but lsusb outputs nothing so i couldnt tell anyway
[21:23] <XsCode> nearest i have is 05CA
[21:23] <mattwj2002> hi guys
[21:23] <mattwj2002> I have a question
[21:24] <mattwj2002> is there a way to upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10 without reinstalling?
[21:24] <bp0> `update-manager -d`
[21:25] <mattwj2002> I mean the rc not the final version
[21:25] <mattwj2002> :)
[21:25] <bibinou> yeah, read the Upgrading from Ubuntu 9.04 paragraph on this page : http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/910overview
[21:25] <mattwj2002> sorry guys
[21:25] <bibinou> basically type "update-manager -d" in the quick launch tool
[21:26] <mattwj2002> i should have read that
[21:26] <mattwj2002> :(
[21:26] <bibinou> when you use alt+f2
[21:26] <bibinou> no problem :)
[21:26] <bibinou> if you're on a server it's a bit more complicated, so i gave you the link
[21:26] <mattwj2002> no I have the desktop version
[21:26] <mattwj2002> :)
[21:27] <bibinou> good
[21:27] <RussellAlan> what's the command to switch from gnome to kde and vice versus?
[21:27] <cyberkilla> I hate how I can't remove certain packages without having to remove ubuntu-desktop
[21:27] <Alexxxxx> Hi, how do I launch gnome-shell?
[21:27] <cyberkilla> Presumably, when I next upgrade, it will pull back all of the crap I chose to uninstall.
[21:27] <cyberkilla> That's a bit of a fatal flaw with the packaging system, surely:O
[21:28] <RomD> cyberkilla are you sure? I think I once removed a packe and with it ubuntu-desktop. don't think I had any problems afterwards.
[21:29] <guntbert> !info ubuntu-desktop | cyberkilla its ONLY meta :)
[21:29] <cyberkilla> As far as I know, certain packages are marked as dependencies of that "ubuntu-desktop" package though. Doesn't that mean the next upgrade will force them back?
[21:29] <Alexxxxx> guys, any help?
[21:29] <cyberkilla> Or am I mistaken?
[21:30] <guntbert> ah - strange - in 9.04 it was really a meta package ??
[21:30] <mattwj2002> Alexxxxxx
[21:30] <mattwj2002> isn't there an option in the menu?
[21:30] <benste> XsCode: guess you're not talking about the same like me - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/459380 | tgpraveen - that's the bug
[21:30] <virtuald> cyberkilla: if they're just marked recommends you're probably not gonna get them back
[21:31] <mattwj2002> alex did you install it?
[21:31] <mattwj2002> it isn't installed by default
[21:31] <cyberkilla> virtuald: I don't think they are. They probably wouldn't ask me to remove ubuntu-desktop if it was a recommend. Strange.
[21:31] <mattwj2002> you have to install it by apt-get install gnome-shell
[21:31] <mattwj2002> *sudo apt-get
[21:32] <virtuald> mm
[21:32] <cyberkilla> Is the gnome-shell in the repositories recent? I installed it a few weeks ago and it was ancient. The devs nag you to build it from source instead.
[21:32] <mattwj2002> it is in 9.10 rc
[21:32] <cyberkilla> great, I will have to try it again:D
[21:32] <mattwj2002> oops
[21:32] <benste> why does karmic not have the rightclick - encrypt with GPG option anymore ?
[21:32] <mattwj2002> i don
[21:32] <Alexxxxx> cyberkilla: it is in repo
[21:32] <mattwj2002> i don't know how new it is
[21:33] <robin0800> mattwj2002: its in the ubuntu software centre
[21:33] <Alexxxxx> but it doesnt create the needed folder
[21:33] <mzz> benste: I do have an "encrypt..." option, actually
[21:33] <mzz> benste: it's possible you just need to install seahorse-plugins
[21:34] <benste> mzz: I'll try - possibly this was installed by default last time
[21:34] <mzz> benste: that's correct (seahorse-plugins is also what provides a gpg agent in the standard gnome session, I installed it to get that back)
[21:34] <XsCode> benste: bit had anything like that.. .i'm on a Vaio VGN-AR61M i'll try some various sony peripherals to try to replicate
[21:35] <ubuntistas> Iam on the beta version of karmic how can i upgrade to RC? any clue?
[21:35] <mzz> ubuntistas: apt-get update, apt-get upgrade
[21:35] <benste> XsCode: :-) you'Re from europe ?
[21:35] <arvind_khadri> ubuntistas, aptitude dist-upgrade
[21:35] <mzz> ubuntistas: (might need dist-upgrade, might not)
[21:36] <cyberkilla> Mine just updated the About GNOME dialog to the .1 release:D
[21:36] <benste> mzz: doesn't it update automaticly ?
[21:36] <mzz> benste: what?
[21:36] <XsCode> benste: uk
[21:36] <mattwj2002> good old uk
[21:36] <mattwj2002> :)
[21:36] <mzz> benste: updates happen automatically by default, upgrades do not, although you get nagged
[21:36] <mattwj2002> you guys drive on the wrong side of the road though ;)
[21:37] <mattwj2002> :P
[21:37] <benste> mzz: I ddin't yesterday, but never mind
[21:37] <mzz> benste: what? :)
[21:37] <benste> mzz: other topic, seahorse-plugins solved the encrypt problem for me
[21:37] <mzz> good
[21:37] <robin0800> mattwj2002: its the other side to the steering wheel
[21:37] <benste> mzz 1st one - forgot the t afeter I again :-)
[21:38] <mattwj2002> just teasing guys
[21:38] <mattwj2002> :)
[21:39] <mattwj2002> you guys can tease us about our measuring system in the us
[21:39] <mattwj2002> :P
[21:39] <mattwj2002> *US
[21:40] <XsCode> benste: you seen this post / thread?  http://www.velocityreviews.com/forums/showpost.php?s=f9d4a1f8d43314d9ae2afe7954dced8a&p=3856429&postcount=5
[21:40] <XsCode> might be worth contacting him?
[21:42] <benste> XsCode: your link looks like he brake he camera
[21:42] <mattwj2002> it is funny linux works on his camera and windows doesn't
[21:42] <mattwj2002> :)
[21:43] <XsCode> yeah, but same camera and he's using ubuntu and it was posted this month.....
[21:43] <XsCode> maybe 9.10????
[21:43] <XsCode> just a thought
[21:43] <RomD> anyone here using two or more separated x screens to confirm a bug in gnome-panel and nautilus?
[21:47] <benste> XsCode: he's talking about gentoo, and I don't have a problem accessing the cam :-) - did you read my bug report ?
[21:49] <danny> is there a way to change the ubuntu 9.10 boot screen
[21:50] <XsCode> benste:  did you read the post? "Tried with Ubuntu, too. Good as gold." and yes i read the bug report...
[21:50] <benste> danny: the white or the later one - cause there is a way, but they're different
[21:50] <danny> The 9.10 RC the new boot screen
[21:50] <benste> XsCode: I'm sry - but I just didn't see any connection - but thx for your help
[21:51] <benste> danny: which one the white logo which is usplash or so or the one looking familar to gdm greete - or gdm it self
[21:52] <benste> by the way does someone knwo why gdm2 config has ~ nothing to configure ? - in the old version you weree at least able to change themes
[21:52] <danny> the xsplash'
[21:53] <mzz> benste: there are bugs on some of that (most of gdm got rewritten, not everything from the old one is available in the new one yet)
[21:54] <danny> You know the new one that is brown
[21:54] <benste> danny: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1271345
[21:54] <mzz> benste: you won't be able to run old gdm themes on the new gdm anytime soon afaik. You can change things like the gtk theme used, but there's no ui for a lot of that
[21:55] <benste> mzz: so i'm looking forward to be able to change themes in lucid -> or will I prompted to ubuntu+2 for that ?
[21:55] <benste> ;-)
[21:55] <rob0> Why isn't #ubuntu+1 called #ubunthree ?
[21:56] <guntbert> !ot | rob0
[21:56] <RussellAlan> what's the command to switch from gnome to kde and vice versus?
[21:57] <RussellAlan> I was having trouble in kde, the taskbar and launcher weren't showing. So I apt-get installed ubuntu-desktop
[21:57] <guntbert> RussellAlan: on the login screen you choose "session type"
[21:58] <test34> Anyone else's Firefox hangs while using flash64bit?
[22:01] <XsCode> test34: occasionally
[22:02] <test34> XsCode, do you know what causes it?
[22:02] <darthanubis> test34, never
[22:03] <XsCode> test34: for me it's double clicking on things.. root cause... no idea
[22:03] <darthanubis> test34, but I don't use x86 or flash that comes with Ubuntu
[22:03] <metalf8801> hi my laptop isn't going into hibernation when I close the lid is this happening to anyone else?
[22:03] <darthanubis> metalf8801, not me
[22:04] <metalf8801> is anyone else testing 9.10 on a thinkpad?
[22:04] <mzz> metalf8801: obvious things to check include whether it's actually configured to hibernate if you close the lid, whether triggering hibernate some other way works, and if others with the same kind of laptop have the same problem
[22:04] <benste> against what should I file a bug concerning the new_wave theme ?
[22:04] <metalf8801> yeah checked that stuff already
[22:04] <benste> is it ubunut-artwork ?
[22:05] <metalf8801> but thanks mzz
[22:05] <test34> ok thanks XsCode I will try to see if double-click is my problem
[22:05] <dupondje> hii :D
[22:05] <mzz> metalf8801: (I'm pretty sure doing things on lid close isn't generally broken, but it may be on your model of thinkpad)
[22:06] <mzz> benste: dpkg -S 'New Wave' says it might be gnome-themes-ubuntu
[22:07] <darthanubis> !hi | dupondje
[22:07] <dupondje> ;)
[22:08] <Ademan> what sets up the environment variables for upstart scripts?
[22:08] <mzz> are gtk things running as root supposed to pick up a non-default gtk theme somehow?
[22:08] <metalf8801> ok I found the problem I think it looks like it won't hibernate when Virtualbox is active
[22:08] <mzz> Ademan: I'd expect that env to be pretty bare
[22:09] <Ademan> mzz: /etc/init/gdm.conf uses $CONFIG_FILE and I don't see where it comes from :-/
[22:09] <mzz> metalf8801: I might've seen that, but I was blaming it on lack of available swap space (since virtualbox is obviously pretty ram-hungry)
[22:09] <Ademan> mzz: as far as the gtk theme, when you say "supposed to" do you mean "expected behavior" or whether you need to set something up to follow that
[22:10] <BUGabundo> boas noites o/
[22:10] <metalf8801> I have 2gb of ram on here so I'll have to test that on my desktop later it has 4gb of ram so I'll see what happens when I add more ram
[22:10] <Ademan> mzz: because as far as i know, root just runs the same gtk theme as your user (gnome-settings-daemon magic?) unless the theme isn't in the global theme path (/usr/share/themes) in which case it defaults to... something, for me it's always been the "no engine" theme lol
[22:10] <mzz> Ademan: hmm, if that's not something upstart-specific like /etc/default/gdm I have to wonder if it's a bug
[22:11] <mzz> Ademan: ahh, duh, that's actually exactly right. My regular user's theme is in ~/.themes now.
[22:11] <benste> mzz: "gnome-themes-ubuntu" thx
[22:12] <mzz> Ademan: yeah, I meant I'm getting the builtin engine instead of the human-based one my user uses
[22:12] <mzz> I guess I just need to copy my ~/.themes into /root/
[22:12] <Ademan> mzz: no problem :-)
[22:12] <Ademan> mzz: or cp -r ~/.themes /usr/share/themes/
[22:12] <Ademan> no guarantees on the copy though lol
[22:12] <mzz> Ademan: nah, I leave /usr/ alone as a general rule
[22:12] <Ademan> really? interesting
[22:13] <darthanubis> really
[22:13] <darthanubis> no need to ever touch it
[22:13] <Ademan> what about /usr/local/ ?
[22:13] <mzz> (most directories are only touched by the package manager, except for obvious exceptions like /etc, /home and parts of /var)
[22:13] <mzz> I'd consider using /usr/local/ but I haven't had a reason yet (and I have no idea if /usr/local/themes/ is searched)
[22:13] <mzz> /root/.themes probably is though, and that's good enough for me right now.
[22:14]  * BUGabundo loads bunny killing machine
[22:14] <BUGabundo> I'm sooooo ready !! what about you guys?
[22:14] <Ademan> i would hope /usr/local/themes is searched, since if you had multiple users, they wouldn't be able to get at themes from /root/.themes
[22:14] <Ademan> BUGabundo: wat?
[22:14] <BUGabundo> hagging already on #realease-party?
[22:14] <mzz> Ademan: I only have two users I care about currently, so meh.
[22:14] <dupondje> I'm going to try to get my pc working :P
[22:14] <Ademan> mzz: well sure, but so long as we're being anal about obeying the filesystem hierarchy standard :-p
[22:14] <BUGabundo> dupondje: :)
[22:15] <dupondje> Ubuntu 9.10 + DMRAID + GRUB2
[22:15] <dupondje> wooho :P
[22:15] <mzz> Ademan: that I am!
[22:15] <Docteh> anyone try out the new iscsi root support?
[22:16] <brandon_> where can i find the karmic minimal install
[22:17] <thiebaude> brandon_, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[22:17] <thiebaude> brandon_, thats what is used was the alternate cd
[22:17] <brandon_> what the hell
[22:17] <brandon_> minimal cd is like 15mb
[22:17] <benste> BUGabundo: how can normal users use IRC to comunicate those moods like you did some mins ago ?
[22:18] <BUGabundo> brandon_: already?
[22:18] <BUGabundo> it used to be 6MBs
[22:18] <BUGabundo> then 7, then 9
[22:18] <BUGabundo> now its 15?
[22:18] <brandon_> something like that
[22:18] <BUGabundo> man that's so not minimal anymore :)
[22:18] <brandon_> but there isnt any karmic one
[22:18] <BUGabundo> sure there is
[22:18] <BUGabundo> there must be
[22:18]  * BUGabundo looks
[22:18] <brandon_> if you find it
[22:18] <brandon_> i will
[22:19] <brandon_> thank you ;o
[22:19] <Docteh> minimal? like a network install?
[22:19] <benste> BUGabundo: simply using * to indicate it ?
[22:19] <brandon_> yes doceth
[22:19] <BUGabundo> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/karmic/
[22:19] <brandon_> bah
[22:19] <brandon_> ive tried that BUGabundo
[22:19] <BUGabundo> there you go
[22:19] <BUGabundo> so ?
[22:19] <brandon_> but it wont boot as an iso
[22:19] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[22:19] <benste> ?
[22:20] <BUGabundo> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso ????
[22:20] <BUGabundo> this one ?
[22:20] <sobersabre> hi guys.
[22:20] <BUGabundo> are you going to force me to test it??
[22:20] <BUGabundo> lol
[22:20] <brandon_> yes
[22:20] <benste> * Wants to know from BUGabundo how he gets those status messages
[22:20] <sobersabre> I've just booted into the upgraded koala :-]
[22:20] <brandon_> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[22:20] <sobersabre> 1st of all ... it WORKS.
[22:20] <mzz> benste: /me uses /me to do that
[22:20] <sobersabre> which is nice.
[22:20]  * benste Trying to figure out how it works
[22:21] <benste> BUGabundo: thx
[22:21] <BUGabundo> guys go play around on #-offtopic
[22:21] <benste> :-)
[22:22] <sobersabre> what's ibus ?
[22:22] <sobersabre> I mean I've found the google code home page.
[22:22] <sobersabre> what it does ?
[22:22] <Ademan> international keyboard input stuff afaik
[22:24] <zorael> input method, yes
[22:24] <sobersabre> what is wrong with the previous approach: shortcut->input in your language.
[22:24] <sobersabre> ?
[22:24] <zorael> alternative to scim, uim, ...
[22:24] <sobersabre> you mean it can determine which lang. I am typing in and then switches the layout accordingly ?
[22:24] <zorael> GNOME uses scim, I think? and afaik scim is dead/inactive-ish upstream, so ibus is an alternative
[22:24] <sobersabre> (eating some CPU+mem for that....)
[22:25] <Ademan> sobersabre: what i read (i've never used either so i can't confirm this) is that changing input method requires a restart of your applications that ibus won't, or something
[22:25] <zorael> so "your previous approach" is scim, this is just a new alternative :)
[22:25] <sobersabre> my previous approach was kill scim.
[22:25] <sobersabre> :)
[22:26] <sobersabre> and my current approach stays as it was.
[22:26] <zorael> D: I need to input in Japanese, and I've had a hell and a half of getting scim to work in KDE and all apps :3
[22:26] <sobersabre> I have heard of smart programs to switch layout automagically, but I'm not on such a strong machine.
[22:26] <sobersabre> zorael: I need to input 3 languages. 2 ltr and 1 rtl.
[22:27] <sobersabre> not hierogliphs though.
[22:27] <sobersabre> still manual approach keeps me calm.
[22:27] <sobersabre> I wonder if there's been any news in finger print reader area ?
[22:29] <sobersabre> I see packages named "thinkfinger" something.... do they link with gdm ?
[22:29] <gsv> someone do me a favor. paste the output of the following commands on a pastebin: uname -a; netstat --version; md5sum /bin/netstat
[22:29] <sobersabre> gsv: you may be running an outdated version, so what would it give you.
[22:29] <sobersabre> I think you may need dpkg -l of the package for this too.
[22:29] <gsv> im fully updated
[22:31] <guntbert> gsv: see in #ubuntu please
[22:31] <sobersabre> sha1: 95702ef92bf4cbdd64c112f7471797fe15234645  /bin/netstat
[22:31] <sobersabre> gsv: sha1 is less likely to collide...
[22:32] <gsv> sobersabre: uname -a please
[22:33] <sobersabre> 2.6.31-14-generic #48-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 16 14:04:26 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[22:33] <guntbert> gsv: do you need it from jaunty or from karmic?
[22:34] <gsv> jaunty
[22:34] <gsv> Linux galactus 2.6.28-16-generic #55-Ubuntu
[22:34] <guntbert> gsv: I posted in #ubuntu: http://pastebin.com/f30d56e2a
[22:35] <gsv> guntbert: i saw it and it's different
[22:35] <gsv> but your version is not the same
[22:35] <gsv> :/
[22:35] <guntbert> gsv: ok :)
[22:39] <st0necol> any1 with 9.10 RC and intel video ?
[22:41] <gsv> how do i decompress a deb
[22:41] <stpere> dpkg -i?
[22:41] <stpere> oh, just decompress?
[22:41] <stpere> or install
[22:41] <gsv> decompress
[22:41] <stpere> dpkg -x
[22:42] <stpere> it will extract the files
[22:44] <gsv> phew
[22:44] <gsv> im ok
[22:44] <gsv> thanks
[22:44] <gsv> :P
[22:44] <stpere> hehe
[22:44] <stpere> for the records, I didn't know the answer.. had to look for it
[22:46] <cbx33> hey guys
[22:46] <cbx33> anyone else got the dreaded flickering on boot
[22:46] <cbx33> never gets to gdm
[22:47] <sobersabre> works for me...
[22:47] <Ademan> so... anyone know what calls /etc/gdm/*/Default ?
[22:47] <cbx33> tty session flickers constantly
[22:47] <Ademan> cbx33: sounds sorta like x is trying to start and failing
[22:47] <cbx33> yeh
[22:47] <cbx33> but if I try to boot in recovery
[22:47] <cbx33> i get another weird problem
[22:47] <XsCode> cbx33: had and fixed
[22:47] <cbx33> XsCode: HOW!
[22:48] <XsCode> cbx33: what gfx you got?
[22:48] <cbx33> nvidia
[22:48] <cbx33> 7300 GT OC
[22:48] <XsCode> 1 sec...
[22:48] <fcuk112> the growl window in karmic RC is a bit smaller than in jaunty, is that normal?
[22:48] <cbx33> ty
[22:48] <Ademan> fcuk112: mine is too
[22:49] <Ademan> font looks different as well, but that might be because I don't have droid-sans installed since the upgrade
[22:50] <XsCode> cbx33: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1295120  <--- i lay out on page 2 how i fixed mine (8400m GT)
[22:50] <cbx33> thanks
[22:50] <XsCode> np
[22:50] <cbx33> I'll check
[22:51] <urthmover> simple question.  I have built up a new laptop with 9.10 and the system has a NTFS partition that I want to mount upon boot.  So that my year old doesn't need to use a password.  How do I accomplish this?
[22:51] <RussellAlan> Alright anyone around to help with my kde issue?
[22:52] <cbx33> XsCode: there's no reason to mount the proc is there
[22:52] <cbx33> not if I'm just editing Xorg
[22:52] <cbx33> XsCode: did you install nvidia drivers after that?
[22:52] <RussellAlan> I have no taskbar nor do i have launcher
[22:52] <XsCode> cbx33: dunno, i copied how to chroot from a different site.... once you get to your desktop, you install the nvidia drivers
[22:52] <cbx33> ok
[22:53] <RussellAlan> Although, since I installed ubuntu-desktop, i now have a regular looking desktop
[22:53] <cbx33> tryingf now
[22:53] <cbx33> hopefully it'll fix mine too
[22:54] <cbx33> damn it
[22:54] <XsCode> cbx33: i think the upgrade / installation isn't building the kernel module properly so my method allows you to do it manually...
[22:54] <cbx33> I get an out of range now
[22:54] <cbx33> stupid monitor
[22:55] <cbx33> XsCode: do you have details of how to rebuild the module
[22:55]  * cbx33 tries plugging it into the TV
[22:55] <cbx33> oooh
[22:55] <cbx33> looks like it worked though - I can change to tty0
[22:55] <XsCode> cbx33: i downloaded the latest beta driver from nvidia and ran it.. it built it for me
[22:55] <RussellAlan> anyone?
[22:55] <RussellAlan> Should I just do a fresh install?
[22:56] <cbx33> XsCode: ack - the good old days
[22:56] <cbx33> wish it would build itsle
[22:57] <cbx33> guys
[22:57] <cbx33> what's the correct way to install nvidia drivers from command line in Karmic
[22:58] <XsCode> you have the install file?
[22:58] <cbx33> I don't particularly want to go to NVIDIA site unless I have to
[22:58] <cbx33> well, wanted to try to get ubuntu to do it itself ;)
[22:58] <derspankster> how can't you go to the nvidia site?
[22:58] <cbx33> i can
[22:58] <cbx33> but i wondered if I could dpkg-reconfigure the nvidia one
[22:59] <cbx33> plus I gotta navigate in links
[22:59] <cbx33> :)
[22:59] <derspankster> but, why wouldn't you unless you're satisfied with nvidia 185 in the repos?
[22:59] <cbx33> well i think the 185 needs rebuilding
[22:59] <XsCode> errr you need to install the restricted driver... beyond my knowledge in cli
[22:59] <cbx33> shuold I just have modaliases
[22:59] <derspankster> I wouldn't know...
[23:00] <cbx33> or hould I have the glx package too
[23:00] <XsCode> cbx33: 32 or 64?
[23:00] <cbx33> 32
[23:00] <derspankster> Even the new legacy nvidia 173 will work
[23:01] <sanotehu> Hi, I'm trying to import my Pidgin accounts into Empathy. It appears that Empathy is reading my Pidgin accounts correctly but when I click Apply I see nothing in the Empathy window to indicate it got my accounts.
[23:01] <XsCode> cbx33: wget http://www.nvidia.co.uk/content/DriverDownload-March2009/includes/uk/images/bttn_iagree.jpg
[23:01] <RichardWolfVI> Seems APT is broken now due to adobe-flashplugin.
[23:01] <XsCode> sorry///
[23:01] <XsCode> 1 sec
[23:01] <XsCode> http://uk.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/185.18.36/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-185.18.36-pkg1.run
[23:01] <cbx33> hehe
[23:01] <cbx33> trying something
[23:02] <cbx33> :)
[23:02] <cbx33> will let you know how I get on
[23:02] <RichardWolfVI> Any fixes for this?
[23:02] <XsCode> k
[23:02] <cbx33> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-185
[23:02] <cbx33> is builting
[23:02] <cbx33> we'll see how it goes
[23:02] <thielmann> Can someone tell me how to figure out on which port CouchDB is running for a specific (my) username? Abviously it's not 5984.
[23:02] <XsCode> i prefer latest beta, but wqhatever gets you on... lol
[23:03]  * cbx33 too
[23:03] <HoopyCat> thielmann:  netstat -pln might get you the info
[23:03] <cbx33> w00t
[23:03] <cbx33> it worked
[23:03] <XsCode> lol
[23:04] <cbx33> looks like missing dependency
[23:04] <XsCode> yup
[23:04] <XsCode> thats what i figured
[23:05] <thielmann> HoopyCat: Unfortunately, it doesn't reveal any information regarding CouchDB. It might need to be triggered?
[23:07] <fcuk112> still no sound for soundblaster xi-fi in karmic?
[23:07] <fcuk112> i tried alsamixer -c0 ... no joy.
[23:07] <RichardWolfVI> Any help oin getting APT to work again?
[23:08] <HoopyCat> thielmann:  if it's not there, it's probably not listening on a tcp socket.  do you know which pid it's running on?  you might be able to get somewhere with lsof -p pid
[23:15] <thielmann> HoopyCat: Nope, no success.
[23:17] <dupondje> btw, what are those 'Installed (Manual)' apps in Synaptic ?
[23:18] <RussellAlan> !topic
[23:20] <HoopyCat> thielmann:  hmm... i suspect, therefore, that it isn't listening on a tcp socket.
[23:21] <thielmann> HoopyCat: I guess it needs to be triggered somehow (although it's already running). Unfortunately, there's no documentation available.
[23:23] <HoopyCat> thielmann:  yeah, i'm not familiar with it, alas, but yeah... there's probably a button there *somewhere* :-)
[23:28] <eross> Heh i could have sworn the 22nd was the launch date :/
[23:30] <Dai> it was
[23:30] <Dai> for windows 7
[23:30] <jimpop> lol
[23:30] <Dai> and the karmic RC
[23:34] <thielmann> HoopyCat: Actually, the updates I just installed fixed the problem. CouchDB is now running on the default port. I'm unsure how Ubuntu One handles multiple accounts on one computer, without compromising security, but I'll check that another day. Anyway, thanks for the help!
[23:35] <alazyworkaholic> I installed on a netbook. GNU GRUB version 1.97~beta4 loads every time & there's no selection timer even though UNR is the only OS & I want to skip this screen so that ubuntu loads as fast as possible. With the old grub I was able to use startupmanager but that doesn't work any more. How can I skip the grub screen?
[23:37] <darthanubis> alazyworkaholic, use the shift key?
[23:37] <darthanubis> !grub2
[23:38] <alazyworkaholic> darthanubis: shift key? What would that do?
[23:39] <XsCode> there is a setting in one of the conf files you can set to -1... i forget which one
[23:39] <XsCode> i think
[23:43] <frewsxcv_> why doesn't ubuntu support esata?
[23:44] <BUGabundo> yes it does
[23:44] <BUGabundo> I use it
[23:45] <frewsxcv_> BUGabundo, just plug and play?
[23:46] <BUGabundo> should be
[23:46] <sobersabre> hm... I don't understand why screensaver doesn't work with fingerprint reader :(
[23:47] <wgrant> eSATA is pretty much just SATA with different plugs.
[23:47] <BUGabundo> wgrant: +1
[23:47] <wgrant> Hotplug should Just Work if your SATA chipset is well-supported (and maybe set to AHCI in the BIOS)
[23:47] <BUGabundo> and power management
[23:47] <BUGabundo> it will turn off my disk after a few minutes idle
[23:47] <BUGabundo> for some reason
[23:47] <Twigathy> I use eSATA and port multiplier with fairly good success (Write/Read speed sucks, but that's because it's a terrible PM)
[23:48] <BUGabundo> Twigathy: I get up to 40MB/s
[23:48] <BUGabundo> much better then those 20MB/s of USB2
[23:48] <Twigathy> with PM I get ~25MB/s
[23:49] <Twigathy> With single disks I get disk speed (With the shiny new 1.5T disks, ~90MB/s reads!)
[23:49] <BUGabundo> pretty good
[23:49] <BUGabundo> I also have a 1,5TB
[23:49] <BUGabundo> but it's a laptop so internal disk is slower
[23:54] <billybigrigger> 90MB/s on esata?
[23:54] <billybigrigger> Twigathy and BUGabundo hello to you both :P
[23:54] <Twigathy> yup
[23:55] <Twigathy> hi :)
[23:55] <BUGabundo> hey billybigrigger
[23:55] <BUGabundo> ready for some bunny killing ?
[23:55] <Twigathy> like wgrant says, eSATA really is just SATA with a funny connector
[23:55] <billybigrigger> bunny killing?
[23:55] <BUGabundo> release party moto
[23:55] <billybigrigger> bahaha
[23:55] <billybigrigger> i don't think i'll be here
[23:55] <billybigrigger> :(
[23:56]  * BUGabundo /j #ubuntu-release-party
[23:56] <BUGabundo> it was *crazy* last time
[23:56] <BUGabundo> we had more ppl in there that on #ubuntu
[23:56] <BUGabundo> can you imagine?
[23:57]  * Twigathy wonders if he can be arsed to try NFS root-ing this box again
[23:57] <billybigrigger> just home for the weekend, i'm back working again so i haven't been around my pooter for a few months now :( it sucks, between a1 and around a6 was the most i've dived into ubuntu hope i don't forget it all this winter haha
[23:58] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, i could not imagine more ppl in a channel than #ubuntu, i can't deal with that many people bahaha
[23:58] <Twigathy> indeed, #ubuntu is sadly too high traffic to be useful
[23:58] <BUGabundo> me neither
[23:59] <billybigrigger> you guys all get un-subscribed from karmic-changes?


[05:17] <slackner> hiho. i've been wondering, if there is any way for the wine project to acquire the launchpad user/group name ~wine, which seems to be reserved
[05:21] <slackner> when clicking on "Are you Wine?" it send an email with instructions to someone, but its noone of the wine team. maybe some random user who registered it back then? is there any other way to get that name, or is it better to register something else?
[05:23] <slackner> wgrant: ^
[05:45] <wgrant> slackner: I've freed up the name.
[10:33] <slackner> wgrant: thx :)
[15:19] <tsv> hi, is this the right channel to get help for launchpad multi-factor auth issues ?
[15:20] <cjwatson> tsv: Despite the hostname, login.launchpad.net isn't actually operated by us.  #canonical-sysadmin is probably best-placed to help.
[15:21] <tsv> thanks cjwatson, will do
[18:18] <pmjdebruijn> I have a package that seems to depend on trusty-backports
[18:19] <pmjdebruijn> can I enable that for my package build
[18:19] <pmjdebruijn> or do I have to locally backport it to my PPA myself?
[18:19] <pmjdebruijn> ibosmgpsmap-1.0-dev and friends in particular
[18:19] <pmjdebruijn> l*
[18:21] <dobey> you can change the PPA dependencies to include backports
[18:22] <dobey> using the "Edit dependencies" link in the top right on the page for your PPA
[18:23] <pmjdebruijn> ok thanks
[18:23] <pmjdebruijn> how does that work for general users though?
[18:23] <pmjdebruijn> will apt-add-repository tell them about it?
[18:23] <pmjdebruijn> or enable backports automatically?
[18:24] <dobey> i don't know about add-apt-repository. anyone wishing to use the PPA at that point would indeed need to have backports enabled on their system
[18:24] <pmjdebruijn> ok
[18:25] <dobey> if you don't want to require users to have backports enabled, you can copy the package from the archive to your PPA
[18:25] <pmjdebruijn> copy?
[18:25] <pmjdebruijn> you mean rebuild the sources right?
[18:27] <dobey> the binaries can be copied over, or you can rebuild the sources
[18:28] <pmjdebruijn> how does copying work?
[18:31] <dobey> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+copy-packages?field.name_filter=osm-gps-map&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=trusty
[18:32] <dobey> you can copy the binaries from there
[18:32] <dobey> there's a command line tool to do it as well, iirc, but i don't recall what it's called
[18:33] <pmjdebruijn> ah thanks
[18:34] <mapreri> the CLI tool is called "copy-packages" :P
[18:34] <mapreri> "copy-package" (sorry)
[18:43] <pmjdebruijn> thanks!
[18:51] <cjwatson> indeed, it's in lp:ubuntu-archive-tools
[19:05] <pmjdebruijn> tnx
[19:08] <smoser> anyone able to help
[19:08] <smoser> $ bzr push lp:ubuntu/xenial/cloud-init
[19:08] <smoser> bzr: ERROR: Server sent an unexpected error: ('error', 'xmlrpclib.Fault', '<Fault -1: "Unexpected Zope exception: TypeError: (\'Could not adapt\', <SuiteSourcePackage ubuntu/xenial/cloud-init>, <InterfaceClass lp.code.interfaces.branchtarget.IBranchTarget>)">')
[20:04] <su_v> cjwatson: ping
[20:04] <cjwatson> su_v: Please tell me what you want and I'll reply when I'm around.
[20:04] <su_v> oops - good timing ;-)
[20:04] <su_v> just wanted to ask for another round of cleanup ...
[20:04] <su_v> https://answers.launchpad.net/inkscape
[20:14] <Mc-> hi all, we got another massive spam posting at https://answers.launchpad.net/inkscape
[20:27] <blr> Mc-: spam seems to be escalating at the moment, although it looks like we have already suspended that account. Hopefully we can get that cleaned up today.
[20:30] <Mc-> ok, thanks
[20:43] <Mc-> how can a suspended account still be posting ?
[20:44] <blr> Mc-: that's an excellent question :|
[20:45] <su_v> afaict different accounts ( the last three has been posted later, by a different user )
[20:46] <su_v> "dgjkkjl" vs "dsfkljk" (both now suspended)
[20:47] <Mc-> yeah but dsfkljk was already suspended 6 minuets ago
[20:47] <Mc-> (i think)
[20:47] <su_v> when I checked, the account was not suspended yet
[20:47] <Mc-> ok
[20:47] <su_v> (of the last three postings)
[20:47] <su_v> now it is
[20:48] <Mc-> i'll look more carefully at the name
[20:50] <cjwatson> I'll feed it to my despam script
[20:52] <blr> Mc-: it appears they _were_ suspended after their last post (suspension is working as expected).
[20:53] <Mc-> ok
[20:54] <cjwatson> dealt with the current run
[20:54] <Mc-> thx
[20:55] <cjwatson> it's all more technical support phone number spam, if wgrant is wondering
[21:09] <lifeless> cjwatson: blr has a find_links issue
[21:09] <lifeless> cjwatson: I'm guessing this is a buildout replacement approach - but find_links is basically dead :)
[21:13] <wgrant> lifeless: It's the only way to prevent setuptools from being stupid.
[21:13] <wgrant> lifeless: We need to prevent setuptools from ever hitting the Internet, even accidentally.
[21:15] <lifeless> wgrant: you don't need find_links for that
[21:15] <lifeless> wgrant: override the index location
[21:22] <cjwatson> do you have a specific suggestion for options to pass?
[21:23] <cjwatson> and yes, it's to some extent buildout replacement, but also "this is the best that seemed to actually work" :-)
[21:30] <lifeless> cjwatson: so yes
[21:30] <lifeless> cjwatson: step 1, create a local index; step 2 for pip pass -i <local index url>, for setuptools - sec while I look up the incantation
[21:31] <lifeless> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15014180/setuptools-easy-install-and-a-custom-pypi-server
[21:31] <lifeless> cjwatson: ^
[21:31] <lifeless> first answer there is sane
[21:45] <blr> thanks lifeless
[21:53] <lifeless> de nada


[11:00] <sakrecoer> krytaril autumna : yes i was convinced. but to be fair, argument 1.) isn't what turned me. 'fits better' is kindof like 'pretier' imho. but 2.) is a fair and tangible argument. our blue is beautifull, but very vivid. it works well in branding, but everywhere on the desktop takes its toll on the eyes, as opposed to the more neutral greybird blue.
[11:00] <sakrecoer> krytarik, even :)
[11:01] <sakrecoer> i tried both blue that is
[11:04] <sakrecoer> good to read you found a value, autumna. i still hope we get the SVGs in time so we can have exact colors.
[11:04] <autumna> I think the current state is a good backup solution if svgs don't arrive in time
[11:05] <autumna> also from what i can see there are no darker shades in the pngs
[13:33] <krytarik> sakrecoer: Very well then - "fits better the rest of the theming" is more objective, while "is too bright" is subjective, so I went with the less arguable option - but glad that you got there either way.. :P
[13:45] <sakrecoer> krytarik: :) i'll agree to dissagree: "too bright" affects readability, so i find that less subjective than "fits better"... never the less, your arguementation was perfect, and yes, i agree with you on the outcome :)
[13:46] <sakrecoer> also, hi all!
[13:47] <cfhowlett> yowza!
[13:49] <cfhowlett> sakrecoer, have you seen these?  while there is not one for ubuntu, I suspect we could (and should) put one together.  might make a nice background for videos
[13:49] <cfhowlett> http://spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org/bn/node/269
[13:49] <sakrecoer> cfhowlett, tomodachi! genki? let me see...
[13:51] <sakrecoer> yeah, that would be nice indeed :)
[13:52] <cfhowlett> also for video overall, check this styling out: https://www.xiph.org/video/vid1.shtml
[13:53] <cfhowlett> also see part 2:  http://xiph.org/video/vid2.shtml
[13:55] <cfhowlett> see the last minute for credits.  I like the stying
[14:07] <sakrecoer> cfhowlett: so you don't like the ones i did? :D
[14:07] <cfhowlett> I did NOT say that!  :)
[14:09] <cfhowlett> but since you mention it ... is it worth considering a short sprint contest to solicit user designs?  I REALLY do not want to see the need for the team to do ALL the work.
[14:10] <sakrecoer> sure.. anyways i'm nto saying mine are ultimate.... its just that i made them 2 months ago, and i asked for feedback at that time before rendering them (which takes a while)
[14:11] <cfhowlett> :)  understood.
[14:11] <sakrecoer> misunderstand me right, i'm not blaming anyone for having other fish to fry here <3
[14:11] <cfhowlett> I probably missed that as I only JUST got my baby back from repair a couple of days ago
[14:12] <sakrecoer> np, cfhowlett :) i read your good intentions.. i'm just... you know... having done the effort and all hahaha, i guess i'm being protective :D
[14:13] <cfhowlett> do we have a main design landing page?
[14:13] <sakrecoer> but, sure, like... ultimately, what would be awesome, is that we manage to make a sketch together, perhaps with the community, then realize it from that..?
[14:13] <cfhowlett> gotta admit, I'm really not a fan of the bizr thing.  I had hoped we might find a more collaborative platform - evernote shared chat and such
[14:13] <sakrecoer> cfhowlett: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork
[14:14] <cfhowlett> right, so where's the link for current, under development projects, aka video tutorial design
[14:15] <sakrecoer> cfhowlett: i'd guess it is missing :D
[14:16] <sakrecoer> on that page that is...
[14:16] <sakrecoer> it landed here instead: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Documentation
[14:16] <sakrecoer> wouldn't hurt to make a yakkety art page..
[14:16] <cfhowlett> thus my complaint.  not sure what tools we might use, but I strongly suggest we prioritize ease of collaboration as we go forward
[14:17] <sakrecoer> i couldn't agree more... we are still a very small team, i think that is the only issue at stake in that matter..
[14:18] <cfhowlett> plan  for growth.  I see a whole lot of interest folk trickling through on the FB page.  If we make contributing user-friendly, we might just have a need for some scale
[14:24] <cfhowlett> take a look at slack.com
[14:28] <sakrecoer> hmm... convincing slogan "A messaging app for teams who put robotslooks like IRC with sexy mugshots
[14:29] <sakrecoer> oops.. paste messed up :D
[14:29] <cfhowlett> ?!
[14:29] <sakrecoer> it looks like a sexy IRC, with easy GUI
[14:29] <cfhowlett> there is a native slack for linux (beta) https://slack.com/downloads
[14:30] <cfhowlett> yeah but with archiving, searchability and easy file transfers.
[14:31] <sakrecoer> yeah... well, this channel is archived and searchable, but a easier filetransfer would be nice yes...
[14:32] <cfhowlett> I'll experiment with it.  again: not suggesting we have done anything wrong, but making it easier would be to the benefit of all.
[14:32] <cfhowlett> IMHO
[14:33] <sakrecoer> cool! let us know about your findings :)
[14:33] <sakrecoer> we are maybe not doing wrong, but we could for sure do better
[14:33] <sakrecoer> or better said: i agree with you
[14:33] <cfhowlett> better yet, please install the beta and let's test it together.
[14:34] <cfhowlett> since we have a bit of lag to indulge ourselves before yakety get's seriousl
[14:36] <sakrecoer> ok i'll try it with you...
[14:37] <sakrecoer> but i admit being dubious about how much this would make things easier: we would still ahve to get everyone to install that software (which i don't know if we can give support for) and in fact we ship all the tools necessary to communicate with the community, except file transfer (although we do have transmission)
[14:39] <sakrecoer> slack is a noon-free deb..
[14:40] <sakrecoer> so, i have it open... what now?
[14:40] <sakrecoer> have you set up a team?
[14:40] <sakrecoer> ubuntustudio.slack.com ?
[14:41] <cfhowlett> yep.  your email adress?  via PM
[14:41] <cfhowlett> ubuntustudio-dev.slack.com
[14:42] <sakrecoer> so, anyone who wants to join, has first got to reach out to us...
[14:42] <sakrecoer> Unfortunately, this email address
[14:42] <sakrecoer> isn't currently associated with that team.
[14:43] <sakrecoer> and they will reah out via email and/or IRC right?
[14:43] <cfhowlett> right.  pm me and I'll send you an e-vite
[14:43] <cfhowlett> need your email address
[14:44] <sakrecoer> sent it via pm
[14:44] <cfhowlett> sent evite
[14:48] <cfhowlett> oh, do not disturb mode?  really!
[14:49] <sakrecoer> ?
[14:50] <cfhowlett> I see you logged on and sent you a msg: "DND"
[14:50] <sakrecoer> what?
[14:50] <sakrecoer> i didn't...
[14:52] <sakrecoer> so where is the public archive of the channel?
[14:52] <cfhowlett> let me look for that
[14:53] <sakrecoer> http://slackarchive.io/
[14:54] <cfhowlett> nice!
[14:54] <sakrecoer> or https://get.slack.help/hc/en-us/articles/201563847-Archiving-a-channel
[14:54] <cfhowlett> not sure it's *public* but nice
[14:54] <sakrecoer> best seems to be with a bot https://github.com/timblair/slack-archivebot
[14:55] <zequence> sakrecoer: irclogs.ubuntu.com
[14:55] <zequence> Or, which one?
[14:55] <sakrecoer> thanks zequence! i was refering to the slack thing cfhowlett is introducing
[14:56] <sakrecoer> as in, where is the public archive of slack channel
[14:56] <cfhowlett> experimenting with the slack linux app, zequence
[14:56] <cfhowlett> you are free to join!  pm your emial
[14:56] <zequence> Ok. Just reading the backlog a bit.
[14:58] <zequence> Looks sort of similar to IRC, I suppose
[14:58] <sakrecoer> oh my... i tried to send a link to you... and it opened this funky prompt with 2000 options...
[14:58] <sakrecoer> now, i recieved your welcome..