[00:10] <Frostwarri0r> hello, can i have some help? i was asking about xubuntu compatibility with tulip ethernet cards
[00:29] <th0r> xylox: all that work and it still doesn't work
[00:32] <xylox> th0r, man just install 8.04 :P
[00:38] <th0r> xylox: I am quickly approaching that point.
[00:40] <th0r> !log
[00:40] <th0r> armada: did you see that?
[00:41] <th0r> xylox: well, my network folder is empty...but maybe it should be
[00:41] <th0r> xylox: but I can't get the thunar share plugin to work. I have the tab, but everything is greyed out and it tells me to check the samba shares and permissions
[00:43] <xylox> th0r, well i'm not sharing from my pc, just acessing other pc resources
[00:44] <th0r> xylox: well, I am cruising on a sailboat and don't really need any of it <smile>. But the geek in me insists I get it working
[00:47] <xylox> th0r, that's the fun of linux, you gotta work to get it working
[00:49] <th0r> xylox: yeah...I tell my friends that linux allows you to rediscover the glee of getting a printer to print 'Hello world!"
[00:50] <xylox> totally true
[00:51] <th0r> xylox: people who enjoy linux also enjoy puzzles
[00:51] <th0r> and squatting over the campfire
[00:53] <xylox> then you go to work and have to use windows and say "what a boring (and bad) system"
[00:55] <th0r> true
[01:19] <th0r> xylox: got thunar-share plugin working...what it doesn't tell you is that the only folders you can share have to belong to the sambashare group.
[01:22] <th0r> hah! now it is working for all the folders....guess it just needed a swift kick in the.....
[01:26] <SiDi> guys, my windows boxes always failed to print out of the box
[01:26] <SiDi> always
[01:26] <SiDi> my linux boxes never ~~
[01:41] <armada> th0r
[01:42] <armada> I need to edit xorg.conf but i can't...
[01:42] <armada> any ideas?
[02:15] <Techie> what do the members of #Xubuntu think is a good media player with a playlist search funtion?
[02:17] <th0r> gmusicbrowser
[02:18] <Techie> doesw that handle large amounts of files well?
[02:18] <Techie> does*
[02:19] <forces> xfmedia
[02:19] <th0r> Techie: I have some 700 music files in there at the moment.
[02:19] <forces> !xfmedia
[02:20] <Techie> reason i ask is that i have over 1k music files and when i open them all in VLC it seems to not load some files, possibly because of a maximum file limit
[02:21] <th0r> Techie: well, if there is a limit in gmb I haven't hit it yet. I like it as it scans the directories I specify and picks up on any changes every time I start it up
[02:41] <xylox> th0r, and that thunar share plugin comes as default or you had to install it?
[02:42] <th0r> xylox: I had to install it, but it is in the repos
[02:43] <doseryder> Hi there
[02:43] <th0r> thunar-shares-plugin
[02:45] <doseryder> I've been a Ubuntu user for 3 years.  I find it comes with too many extras I don't need, yet I haven't switched to another distro mainly b/c I enjoy the Package manager it comes with (with the feature of resolving and downloading dependencies automatically)
[02:46] <th0r> doseryder: the extras are a function of the desktop environment, not the distro. If you are running ubuntu you might consider installing xfce and trying it in place of gnome.
[02:47] <doseryder> does XuBuntu come with the dpkg and the apt-get (cli front-end) and synaptic (gui-backend)
[02:47] <Techie> doseryder: yes
[02:47] <th0r> doseryder: the only difference between ubuntu and xubuntu is the desktop environment...if you install xubuntu-desktop in ubuntu you will for all purposes have xubuntu
[02:47] <doseryder> s/gui-backend/gui-frontend/
[02:47] <xylox> doseryder, which extras?
[02:50] <doseryder> So Xubuntu is basically just Xubuntu - (GNOME + Compiz)?  What is it's default Desktop environment?
[02:50] <doseryder> oops
[02:50] <doseryder> I meant to say XuBuntu - (GNOME + Compiz)
[02:51] <Techie> Xfce
[02:51] <xylox> xubuntu is ubuntu with xfce instead of gnome
[02:56] <doseryder> sorry for being noob, but if I build my own linux kernel (with its fs-type defaulting to ext3) then I try to install dpkg + apt-get, would that even work (this is just a thought)
[02:56] <doseryder> ?
[02:58] <Techie> no clue, i dont work with compiling kernels and the like
[02:58] <th0r> doseryder: there really is no good reason to compile your own kernel anymore unless you are doing some really esoteric work
[02:59] <doseryder> Techie: as you can see, I just want a linux system with a good package manager and front ends (that grabs/install/resolve dependencies as needed)
[03:00] <doseryder> I should say, ONLY when needed
[03:00] <th0r> doseryder: xfce will use the same package manager system (synaptic, apt-get, dpkg) as gnome, but without all the overhead
[03:01] <doseryder> startoff with minimal weight and put weight on only when needed
[03:02] <xylox> doseryder, you could have a look at distros like tiny core linux or something but it's not recomemended if you're a noob
[03:02] <Techie> doseryder: i know what you mean, but how about goin the other way... take xubuntu and strip out what you dont need
[03:02] <Techie> im gonna be doing the same sort of thing to make a game server on a 1gig usb stick
[03:03] <Techie> take DSL and strip it back to a CLI
[03:03] <doseryder> xylox: I'm not completely noob.  I can find my way, and feell comfortable working with the shell
[03:04] <xylox> doseryder, then go ahead :)
[03:04] <doseryder> have *some* experience with building packages from source and resolving dependencies.  (e.g. Gstreamer plugins and such)
[03:08] <Techie> ummm
[03:09] <Techie> someone explain this to me, using synaptic to remove the games in xubuntu... went to remove fortune-mod and it says that its gonna remove xubuntu-desktop aswell
[03:14] <doseryder> th0r dpkg being Debian Package Manager, I suppose it is only for Debian-based Linux? (I don't know)  Also, this leads me to asking a fundamental question -- What does it mean, or what makes it "Debian" based?  Linux kernel being at the center of things, what is it that makes it "Debian"?  I'm asking this in hope to gain a better understanding :) thanks
[03:14] <th0r> doseryder: no, I use dkpg and it is a recognized mimetype in xfce
[03:15] <th0r> doseryder: the ubuntu distro is debian based, they started with debian linux and modified it to their ends. If I recall correctly all debian based distros will use synaptic/apt-get/dpkg for package management
[03:17] <th0r> doseryder: if you installed debian instead of ubuntu you would find it very familiar territory. Not quite so 'user friendly' but pretty much the same environment
[03:19] <th0r> I installed firestarter this afternoon and configured a simple firewall...and it is getting hammered by port scans from one computer on this wifi network. Never would have suspected it
[03:20] <xylox> isn't your lan secured?
[03:20] <th0r> xylox: this is a wifi run by the  motel that runs the marina.
[03:20] <doseryder> can you elaborate on how it is less "user-friendly"?
[03:21] <doseryder> an example would be suffice actually
[03:21] <th0r> xylox: and it is a .248 ip....running wireshark now to see what is going on. It appears to be random packets addressed to ports above 32768
[03:22] <th0r> doseryder: some of the 'noob' features of ubuntu will be missing. Good example...there is no root account in ubuntu to protect the noobs...but there is a root account in debian
[03:22] <xylox> yeah well, one can only get impressed what you see when sniff the network
[03:24] <th0r> xylox: it says it is netbios name service, but that wouldn't be hitting random ports...not that high up either
[03:25] <th0r> wait...it appears to be responses to my browsing for network shares...fusesmb maybe?
[03:25] <xylox> th0r, if that is the case, you gotta make your shares protected, firestarter will do it
[03:26] <Simetrical> My weather applet has been saying "Cannot update weather data" for days now.  Any ideas on how to fix that?
[03:31] <th0r> xylox: you will like this....fusesmb is sending out packets on those ports to ip 0.255 looking for network shares. It appears 0.248 is responding on those same ports, but since it doesn't come back from 0.255 the firewall thinks they are illegal packets
[03:32] <th0r> xylox: so it is either disable fusesmb or get the firewall a truss
[03:32] <xylox> i suppose if you disable the firewall you should see other shares in your wifi network
[03:34] <th0r> now gigolo is doing it right...the browse requests are going out on 137 (should be 135-138 iirc) and the answers are coming back on 137
[03:34] <th0r> (coming back on 138)
[03:36] <xylox> 0.255 is broadcast addrress, so it's broadcasting hte request to the subnet
[03:38] <th0r> xylox: yeah, but fusesmb is broadcasting on non-standard ports...above 32768
[03:38] <doseryder> if the ports aren't opened, what kind of negative effect would it have on you?
[03:39] <th0r> xylox: all communications in netbios should be on 135-139 and 445
[03:39] <xylox> source o destination ports?
[03:39] <th0r> doseryder: the firewall still has to read each packet and then throw them away...it's like...what if you started receiving all the junk mail for your entire block? you would just throw it away...but it would take effort
[03:40] <th0r> xylox: source and destination ports for netbios communications are all 135-139 and 445
[03:40] <xylox> officially yes but in pratice the source could be anyone
[03:41] <th0r> xylox: I don't understand why fusesmb is using those port numbers....very confusing.
[03:41] <doseryder> th0r: If what you're experiencing is in fact malacious or abnormal, is it considered a form of DoS that the other end is attempting
[03:42] <th0r> doseryder: in this case it isn't a dos attack...the other end is responding to the port that called it, which it should. It appears to be a fault in fusesmb at my end...it shouldn't be using those ports to call out in the first place
[03:43] <doseryder> network admins are cool, they're investigators
[03:43] <doseryder> :)
[03:43] <xylox> linux usually doesn't follow the microsoft specs, linux tend to use high port numbers as source port for its requests, even smb, so i wouln't worry, the receiver is the one who has to be worried
[03:44] <xylox> when you receive requests at netbios ports, then you could worry a litlle bit
[03:44] <th0r> xylox: well as it works out using those port numbers is throwing all the work back to my firewall. since the answer comes from a different ip than the request went to, the firewall doesn't see it as a reply but as an unwanted packet
[03:45] <th0r> xylox: to get fusesmb to work I would have to open all of those upper ports...a definite no-no in my book
[03:46] <th0r> (open for incoming traffic)
[03:46] <xylox> yes, that's the price of being on a non trusted network, normal should be you trust your lan network
[03:47] <xylox> may be you could configure firestarter to allw them, because they should be accepted as they are answers to client requests, just like dns for example
[03:48] <th0r> xylox: even  on a corporate network I wouldn't want to open all those ports...you only open ports for services you recognize and expect, opening 32768 ports on the hope that one of them is the one fusesmb will use is a real security issue
[03:49] <th0r> xylox: they are answers, but since they do not come from 0.255 they aren't seen as answers by the firewall.
[03:50] <th0r> I sure wish I could get hold of the devs for fusesmb and discuss it with them, but the homepage doesn't have an contact info (understandable I guess)
[03:50] <th0r> <it's a geek thing...don't try to understand it>
[03:52] <xylox> haven't used firestarter, do have used ufw
[03:54] <th0r> xylox: I am really impressed with firestarter. For setting up a relatively simple firewall it is terrific. I first tried fwbuilder which is installed by default...it was like trying to fly the space shuttle to get into the next room
[03:57] <xylox> the only thing i have noticed about firestarter is it doesn' have adavnced control over icmp packets (block ping requests for example)
[04:00] <th0r> you could just block port 113
[04:01] <xylox> that's ident no?
[04:01] <th0r> and 3010 I think too
[04:02] <th0r> 113
[04:02] <th0r> yeah....113 is ident
[04:02] <th0r> jeez...dynamic dump time. I haven't dusted off this info in about 8 years...since the dotcom crash <smile>
[04:06] <xylox> how many years have you into computing and linux?
[04:08] <th0r> got my first computer (a vic-20) a month after they hit the shelves in '82. Was a sysop for CompuServe way back when that meant something <smile>. But now....they have electricity and everything...way beyond me
[04:09] <xylox> nice
[04:09] <th0r> haven't been into linux too long though...my first install was slackware 1.0 <smile>
[04:10] <xylox> i satrted at late 80's with epson qx-10 if remember well
[04:12] <xylox> i'm new to linux (a year and a half) but has been intense 18 months
[04:12] <th0r> yeah...I had a qx-10 at one time
[04:12] <th0r> I had a linux guru at work...I thought I would drive him mad..."You don't reinstall linux, you FIX llinux!"
[04:14] <xylox> yeah, you also don't reboot unless you install a new kernel
[04:15] <Simetrical> Or new hardware.
[04:16] <Simetrical> Or if you can't log in.
[04:16] <th0r> yeah. Poor Mustafa must have lost half his hair trying to teach me linux
[04:16] <th0r> too bad he didn't succeed <smile>
[04:16] <Simetrical> Or if the system is seriously borked and you have no idea what's wrong and you need it working RIGHT NOW.  Rebooting can be a good idea then too.
[04:17] <th0r> Simetrical: well, the idea is to not let the system get seriously borked <smile>.
[04:17] <Simetrical> Yes, but we're talking about real life, right?
[04:17] <th0r> hehehe
[04:18] <th0r> I don't know about you guys...but my systems always work properly <smiile>
[04:19] <th0r> xylox: I finally found the email for the fusesmb developer. Just sent him an email with a short description and hope he will point out the error of my ways
[04:19] <th0r> see what you started this afternoon!
[04:20] <xylox> lol
[04:20] <th0r> and the end result is I still do not have fusesmb working <smile>
[04:20] <xylox> but the thunar plugin worked no?
[04:21] <th0r> yes!  I have already frozen my install of jaunty...no more updates
[04:24] <xylox> lts support ends in 2011 for desktop, so...
[04:25] <th0r> by that time they will have windows 9 out and it might finally be right <smile>
[04:25] <xylox> lol
[04:26] <xylox> well by taht time i hope it will be bankrupt and will b bought by google o r something
[04:26] <th0r> or the US govt
[04:26] <th0r> too big to fail
[04:26] <xylox> google is coming strong
[04:27] <xylox> that chrome os theyre making looks interesting
[04:27] <th0r> yeah, but I think that recent twitter episode might put a crimp in 'cloud computing'
[04:28] <xylox> let's see
[04:30] <th0r> well, it's been an interesting day boys and girls, but it is  time to call it a night. Thanks for your help and suggestions.
[04:41] <R1cochet> trying to setup an xbox orignal controller in jaunty and wheb u run modprobe xpad i get: WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/oss-compat, it will be ignored in a future release.
[04:41] <doseryder> th0r is fusesmb a program to create network volumes?
[04:41] <R1cochet> is there anything i can do to get the controller working?
[04:43] <hatake_kakashi> R1cochet, you don't need to worry about that error message from modprobe, otherwise check dmesg| tail or /var/log/messages
[04:45] <R1cochet> well for some reson i cant get the xpad reconized
[04:45] <R1cochet> ive dled xpad and jscalibrator but still nothing doing
[04:46] <hatake_kakashi> it is recognised, its probably missing key bindings :P
[04:46] <R1cochet> then how would i go about setting that up?
[04:48] <hatake_kakashi> I dunno, I don't game with xbox controller
[04:49] <hatake_kakashi> start with running xev I suppose
[04:50] <R1cochet> well is there a way to tell if it is being recognised?
[05:10] <R1cochet> i ran lsusb and the pad doesnt show in there
[07:38] <gatton> I have an older computer, and the drivers are not automatically detected by gtk-jockey (hardware drivers program).
[07:38] <gatton> what do I do to get the video / audio drivers working ?
[07:38] <gatton> I freshly installed Xubuntu to this computer (9.04 Jaunty)
[07:38] <forces> what video card do you have?
[07:40] <hatake_kakashi> better to paste lspci -k into pastebin
[07:40] <hatake_kakashi> !pastebin | gatton
[10:15] <R1cochet> i cant get a usb device to enumerate
[10:16] <R1cochet> [16627.104032] usb 2-4: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 63
[10:16] <R1cochet> [16627.285026] usb 2-4: device descriptor read/64, error -62
[10:16] <R1cochet> [16627.568032] usb 2-4: device descriptor read/64, error -62
[10:16] <R1cochet> [16627.765035] hub 2-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 4
[10:19] <TheSheep> R1cochet: check the cable
[10:20] <R1cochet> well i converted an xbox pad to usb
[10:20] <R1cochet> just twisted the wires together, no solder
[10:20] <Techie> R1cochet: aaah the good old twist trick
[10:20] <R1cochet> u think thats it?
[10:21] <Techie> could be that one of the data wires isnt connecting properly
[10:21] <Techie> id suggest warming up the soldering iron just incase
[10:21] <R1cochet> ok ty
[10:22] <R1cochet> problem is that the only iron i have is a cheap pen iron type and u can never get a good clean solder w/ those
[10:22] <TheSheep> usb is very sensitive to bad connections
[10:22] <Techie> better than nothing
[10:22] <R1cochet> always a dull solder as opposed to a nice shiney one
[10:22] <R1cochet> oj ty both for ur help
[10:22] <R1cochet> ok*
[10:23] <TheSheep> I'm sure that a new soldering iron is cheaper that a new motherboard to replace the fried one in your computer
[10:23] <TheSheep> s/that/than
[10:23] <R1cochet> it can fry the mobo?
[10:23] <Techie> possibly
[10:24] <TheSheep> anything you connect to your computer can, really
[10:24] <R1cochet> well the iron is coming out right now
[10:24] <knome> R1cochet, you never should do any modifications which you are not sure about.
[10:24] <Techie> sheep more than anything that you connect, the motherboard might even possibly fry itself
[10:25] <TheSheep> we had a pendrive that fried motherboards once
[10:25] <Techie> knome this isnt so much a modification, its more like a plug swapover... the controller uses USB anyway
[10:25] <R1cochet> bbl
[10:25] <TheSheep> gone through 3 until we realized
[10:26] <Techie> that musta sucked and been a cool discovery at the same time
[10:27] <TheSheep> well, university's computers, still on their guaranty, so no problem
[10:28] <Techie> lol, lucky
[10:29] <Techie> yay my mp3's finally copied
[10:43] <hatake_kakashi> Techie, ever tinkered with nfs?
[10:44] <Techie> nope
[10:44] <hatake_kakashi> dang
[10:44] <hatake_kakashi> SiDi, you? :)
[10:44] <Techie> i might be able to help though
[10:45] <hatake_kakashi> got a problem, I can mount nfs over network but I can't mount nfs when the target is literally a localhost (i.e. mounting to itself)
[10:45] <hatake_kakashi> I've installed all the necessary stuff on the client side but I always get permission denied even if I gave one of the export shares as anonuid=0 (which is root)
[10:45] <Techie> may i ask the reason for mounting localy?
[10:46] <hatake_kakashi> I've added relevant entries into /etc/hosts.allow but that's still no dice
[10:46] <hatake_kakashi> reason being is technically I'm running virtual machine
[10:46] <Techie> aaah
[10:46] <Techie> never did like networking with VM's
[10:47] <hatake_kakashi> see the share works fine if the machine connecting to the share is going through the network and then into wireless and even over wired network, but when the share is to be mounted internally it gets rejected
[10:47] <hatake_kakashi> yeah
[10:47] <hatake_kakashi> I personally don't think its an issue with the VM itself but I could be mistaken
[10:47] <Techie> what ip are you usign when you try connect?
[10:47] <hatake_kakashi> I ran the portmap in foreground with verbose and debug mode, I can see there is a difference in a way a remote host would connect as opposed to a local host (in virtualised mode) would connect
[10:48] <hatake_kakashi> both the lan ip and the nat gw address
[10:48] <Techie> hrmm
[10:48] <Techie> might just be a problem in the way the VM is networking
[10:48] <Techie> eg shared connection or NAT
[10:49] <hatake_kakashi> hmm well I could I suppose bridge it
[10:49] <hatake_kakashi> that would be another solution I suppose
[10:49] <hatake_kakashi> I haven't really tried other options except for NAT type networking
[10:49] <Techie> yeah, make sure your vm connection and your network connection are on the same subnet
[10:50] <hatake_kakashi> didn't think that would have mattered when it was a slightly different case lol (on winxp with vmware and having ftp share up listening to nat and lan ips)
[10:50] <Techie> to put it simply <IP_ADDRESS> cant connect to <IP_ADDRESS> properly
[10:50] <hatake_kakashi> yeah
[10:50] <hatake_kakashi> which would mean that in theory bridge mode should work
[10:50] <Techie> in theory
[10:50] <hatake_kakashi> testing it out now :)
[10:51] <Techie> fyi im a windows guy but ive done networking for most of my life
[10:51] <hatake_kakashi> the funny thing is that both of them are in the same netmask, subnet C
[10:51] <Techie> odd
[10:52] <hatake_kakashi> trying out bridged mode now
[10:52] <Techie> kk
[10:52] <hatake_kakashi> lets just say that if it is the issue with it running in NAT mode and that it will work with bridged I'll be surprised :)
[10:52] <Techie> i wouldnt be
[10:53] <hatake_kakashi> well yeah on this particular instance its no biggie but when it comes to having ipcop as vm and such, lol, that'll be all very interesting
[10:54] <hatake_kakashi> yup you were right
[10:55] <Techie> =)
[10:55] <Techie> im not suprised
[10:55] <hatake_kakashi> thanks a bunch, now I'm going to itch my head more, this adds confusion with my other project *sigh*
[10:55] <Techie> come back if you have any trouble
[10:55] <hatake_kakashi> I'll be idling here lol
[10:56] <hatake_kakashi> always something to learn when lurking :)
[10:57] <R1cochet> where can i buy a solderin iron at 3am in the states?
[10:57] <Techie> ebay
[10:58] <R1cochet> lol
[10:58] <R1cochet> id rather wait till morning than wait weeks
[10:58] <Techie> lol
[10:58] <hatake_kakashi> lol
[10:58] <R1cochet> u think the grocery store has them?
[10:58] <Techie> wouldnt count on it
[10:59] <Techie> whats wrong with that other one?
[11:02] <SiDi> hatake_kakashi: never either
[11:02] <R1cochet> cant find it
[11:02] <R1cochet> i think i tossed it years ago
[11:02] <hatake_kakashi> SiDi, ahh ok, oh well, I guessed the good thing is that Techie solved it, looks like my networking knowledge is failing me, thanks anyway :)
[11:18] <nikolam> hi
[11:18] <nikolam> it seems that packages.ubuntu.com not working now, BTW
[11:19] <Techie> page wont load but i can still ping it and resolve its ip
[11:20] <Techie> is there something else we can help you with?
[11:26] <om26er> i have a problem all qt based softwares have weired font style
[11:26] <om26er> skype and vlc both have big font
[11:26] <Techie> not my area of expertise unfortunately
[11:27] <om26er> any1 else??
[11:28] <knome> om26er, see qtconfig
[11:34] <om26er> knome: yes it helped
[11:35] <Techie> i gotta go, night guys
[11:35] <Techie> good luck with your project hatake_kakashi
[12:30] <igsen> Is it safe to delete ".cache" directory under home/user folder?
[12:31] <vinnl> Should be, why?
[12:35] <igsen> Cleaning up purposes only, if that is possible...
[12:37] <igsen> I think they are created automatically but I'm not sure???
[12:38] <vinnl> Yeah, it's just cache files, I believe it contains e.g. thumbnails created by the file browser so it doesn't have to create them each time you browse a folder with pictures in them
[12:40] <igsen> ok, thanks vinnl!
[12:41] <vinnl> yw :)
[14:55] <hagg> hi, when i create a directory from terminal it has permission 755 (as it should be, according to umask), but thunar creates directory with 777 - no matter if i start it from the same terminal or from xfce-panel.
[14:55] <hagg> exists a way to configure this behaviour?
[14:56] <hagg> i tested on three different machines running xubuntu jaunty
[14:59] <hagg> or any suggestions for an alternative filemanager running fine with xfce?
[15:16] <barfoo365> Hi all, is samba automatically activated after i install it? Or is there a terminal command to start it?
[15:24] <poopuser> Good morning. I've got this problem : even when i don't do anything 'internet related' the router's led indicates that something is using the connection. How can i determinate what process is it?
[15:41] <barfoo365> Using smbtree command in terminal i can see that samba is started and is sharing, but my xp and windows 7 machines will not connect
[15:43] <barfoo365> i can ping the xubuntu machine fine, so it sees it, but wont show smb shares
[16:08] <gatton> how come my Ensoniq ES1370 doesnt work on this freshly installed Ubuntu
[16:08] <gatton> ?
[16:09] <gatton> also: the hardware drivers program doesn't show any drivers even though my video card is a Radeon RV200 QW (Radeon 7500)
[16:09] <gatton> forces, are you there ?
[16:11] <forces> ?
[16:21] <gatton> forces, sorry I coudlnd;t get back to you last night
[16:21] <gatton> the video card I have is a radeon 7500,
[16:22] <gatton>  ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV200 QW [Radeon 7500]
[16:22] <gatton> and there are no drivers in the "hardware drivers" program. I, is it working properly
[16:30] <forces> ok
[16:54] <gatton> how come vlc plays the sound but flash videos on youtube don't ?? I just installed Xubuntu
[16:56] <SiDi> gatton, is PulseAudio running ?
[16:56] <SiDi> sudo aptitude purge pulseaudio, and also make sure to kill it
[16:58] <gatton> SiDi, it was not installed
[17:20] <forces> gatton, sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras
[17:35] <yesitisjustme> If laptop has no cdrom can i connect laptop harddrive to desktop install there and then put laptop harddrive back to laptop, will it detect the new hardware?
[17:59] <gatton> forces I already did that
[18:05] <Saramago> holas ¿alguien habla español?
[18:16] <gatton> if my video card is not working properly can I install fglrx ?
[18:57] <Araneidae> *Still* can't get rid of xfce's dreadful habit of saving and restoring my session.  Beginning to think it's not so nice a desktop ...
[19:03] <knome> Araneidae, have you tried controlling it from the logout/shutdown dialog?
[19:06] <Araneidae> I pressed the "reboot now" button on the upgrade popup, wasn't offered any options
[19:06] <Araneidae> Restarted all my apps!
[19:06] <knome> Araneidae, upgrade? i'm not talking about any upgrade dialog.
[19:07] <Araneidae> Sure -- but what I did was to do a system upgrade and reboot.  Are you saying there's a separate setting I can't access through the normal dialogs (or through configuration files)?
[19:08] <knome> Araneidae, when you click the quit button
[19:08] <knome> there's a checkbox to save or not to save the session
[19:08] <Araneidae> Ah yes, that one: it's not checkec
[19:08] <knome> but in the last time it was checked, did you have the apps open which are not autostarting?
[19:09] <knome> it's important that you save the session once when you have no apps running.
[19:09] <Araneidae> Applications -> Log Out -> Save session for future logins  is unchecked
[19:09] <Araneidae> No, it even restarted the upgrade application!
[19:09] <knome> YES, because the last time it *WAS* checked, you had that application running.
[19:09] <Araneidae> No, it completely restored the layout and application set that was in force when I pressed "ok, reboot now"
[19:09] <knome> do you see what i'm trying to say?
[19:10] <Araneidae> Not really, no.
[19:10] <knome> close *all* of your apps you don't want to autostart
[19:10] <Araneidae> Don't think you're right.
[19:10] <knome> then log out and *CHECK* the box.
[19:10] <knome> then login again and see if the apps autostart.
[19:10] <knome> i want you to test this before i dig deeper into it.
[19:11] <knome> logout is enough, you don't need to restart.
[19:11] <Araneidae> Where is this state saved?  The thing that's really bugging me about xfce is this awful GUI dance -- when all I really have to do is delete / rewrite the appropriate configuration file.
[19:11] <knome> which xubuntu do you have?
[19:11] <Araneidae> But *nobody*, but *nobody* knows how to do it!
[19:11] <Araneidae> 9.04 I guess
[19:12] <knome> if you can only *guess* your xubuntu version, i don't wonder if people do not know how to do it.
[19:12] <Araneidae> Well, ok.  I'll do the logout dance.  The problem is that the issue doesn't recur immediately
[19:12] <knome> Applications -> Settings -> Session and Startup --> tab "Application Autostart"
[19:12] <Araneidae> yes
[19:12] <Araneidae> done that
[19:13] <Araneidae> many a time, it's never set, hasn't been for months now
[19:13] <knome> also see the tab "SessionS
[19:13] <knome> s/S/"/
[19:13] <Araneidae> I see the Session tab.  It lists the current running apps (or at least most of them)
[19:14] <Simetrical> My weather applet has been saying "Cannot update weather data" for days now.  Any ideas on how to fix that?
[19:14] <Araneidae> Various restart styles, either "immediately" or "if running"
[19:14] <knome> Araneidae, waht about "never" ?
[19:14] <Araneidae> None say never
[19:14] <knome> Araneidae, why don't change that?
[19:14] <knome> Araneidae, left click the column/row
[19:15] <Araneidae> Yes, I see that: but don't I want the default for *ALL* applications to be Never?
[19:15] <knome> it is per application.
[19:15] <Araneidae> This way I have to check my session list every time I'm going to restart and make sure any new apps are also set to Never.
[19:15] <Araneidae> I just NEVER EVER want my apps to restart!
[19:16] <knome> calm down please.
[19:16] <Araneidae> ok, I'm not that excited in fact ;)
[19:16] <Araneidae> Where is the version number reported?  I can give you that
[19:17] <knome> Araneidae, "lsb_release -a"
[19:17] <Araneidae> I have xubuntu-desktop 2.82 installed
[19:17] <gatton> how do I check if my video drivers are working properly ?
[19:17] <Araneidae> 9.04, as expected
[19:18] <knome> Araneidae, the session works for me as expected. on the session tab, close any apps you don't want to start automatically and click save session.
[19:18] <knome> Araneidae, if that doesn't get you further, i suppose you should ask #xfce for help.
[19:18] <Araneidae> Ok, that's a good idea.
[19:18] <Araneidae> Yes, hadn't thought to try Save Session, that makes a lot of sense.  I wonder if it'll get overwritten.
[19:19] <Araneidae> I think the problem tends to happen on a reboot.  I'll give things a try now -- of course, in fact, I want the conventional xfce widgets to be restored!
[19:20] <Araneidae> What is Thunar, btw?  Is that the "Windows Explorer" like thing?  (Loaded from Places menu, I guess)
[19:21] <gatton> anyone know why vlc player plays audio, but any flash video (youtube) does not ?
[19:22] <Araneidae> That's odd, I just noticed that, thought it was a one off quirk.
[19:22] <KittyKatt> Thunar is like Nautilus and such.
[19:23]  * Araneidae is none the wiser (not much of a gui fan, to be honest)
[19:23] <KittyKatt> Yes, it is like Windows Explorer, in the sense that they are both file browsers.
[19:23] <Araneidae> yep
[19:24] <Araneidae> Ah well, gatton, my flash has sound again now.  Must have been a one off
[19:24] <knome> Araneidae, thunar is a file manager.
[19:25] <Araneidae> Another possibly more interesting question: can I have windows without decorations in xfce?
[19:25] <Araneidae> I mean, of course an individual app can request no decorations (that works)
[19:26] <Araneidae> But I'd quite like a style without any decorations!
[19:26] <KittyKatt> Araneidae: That IS an interesting question. I've never tried to myself, because I've always been a big fan of window decoration.
[19:26] <knome> Araneidae, suppose you can, but there is not that much point because then you'd lost the controllability.
[19:27] <Araneidae> Well, I've tried some of the more ... uh ... challenging ... window managers, but I do miss some of the features of xfce.
[19:27] <Araneidae> Well, I'm not sure about that.  I can move and resize with the ALT modifier (I use the otherwise useless windows key)
[19:27] <KittyKatt> Araneidae: Tried compiz? :D
[19:27] <knome> i'd say keep with the decorations if you definitely don't know what you want and how to get it.
[19:28] <Araneidae> The only other important thing that's missing is forcible close
[19:28] <KittyKatt> Araneidae: The super key isn't useless if you're using GnomeDO.
[19:28] <KittyKatt> XD
[19:28] <Araneidae> Well, you can guess my enthusiasm for compiz ;)
[19:29] <Araneidae> I did try dwm for a bit, but it was just a little bit TOO bare for me.  (And stupefyingly hard to reconfigure.)
[19:29] <Araneidae> For example, dwm gets decoration less windows completely wrong -- I suspect it doesn't even support the interface layer that allows such a request to be made
[19:30] <KittyKatt> Araneidae: I am running the Compiz window manager and the Emerald window decorator on xubuntu without much trouble.
[19:30] <KittyKatt> It was hell setting it up, but that's only because I didn't look for help with it until I had backed myself into a corner. ;)
[19:31] <Araneidae> Heh: but "effects" on my desktop are precisely what I don't want.
[19:31] <KittyKatt> Hm.
[19:32] <KittyKatt> Araneidae: A friend of mine that is MUCH better at this is coming.
[19:32] <KittyKatt> He uses openbox. :D
[19:33] <KittyKatt> Hola
[19:33] <KittyKatt> Do your magic.
[19:34] <ArcherSeven> mode +e?  oh i love freenode.  anyways...
[19:34] <KittyKatt> To quote Blazing Saddles, "Do that voodoo that YOU do so well."
[19:34] <ArcherSeven> what's the full story here?
[19:34] <KittyKatt> Araneidae: ^^^^
[19:34] <Araneidae> I'm grumbling about xfce
[19:34] <ArcherSeven> lol don't blame you for that.
[19:34] <Araneidae> Really I want something as simple and clean as dwm, but a bit more modern and less broken (and slightly configurable)
[19:35] <ArcherSeven> lol@configureable
[19:35] <ArcherSeven> that's the catch
[19:35] <Araneidae> Have been pointed at fluxbox in the past, and KittyKatt just mentioned openbox -- need to give em a play
[19:35] <ArcherSeven> hmm.     I like openbox for that, when i get my desktop up i use OpenBox and Pekwm on different monitors, personally.
[19:35] <Araneidae> Yeah, "configuring" dwm was ... entertaining.
[19:35] <KittyKatt> I would imagine so....
[19:35] <ArcherSeven> fluxbox and pekwm are harder to configure
[19:36] <Araneidae> Looked like I needed to learn xlib
[19:36] <ArcherSeven> openbox is lighter than fluxbox and a little easier to configure, but lacks a panel
[19:36] <ArcherSeven> pekwm is lighter still, has the rounded windows that I find necessary, but no configuration utility at all.
[19:36] <KittyKatt> Panels <3
[19:36] <Araneidae> How do you configure openbox?  I quite like the xfce bar, but that's all I need
[19:37] <ArcherSeven> hmm.  are you going to do that all on this install?
[19:37] <Araneidae> I'm happy to hack config files, so long as it's not all guesswork
[19:37] <KittyKatt> lol
[19:37] <ArcherSeven> Pekwm is a lot of guesswork that's why i say that, lol
[19:37] <Araneidae> That's the thing that's really bugging me about xfce -- looks like the config file layer is completely undocumented
[19:38] <Araneidae> If you can't do it through a control panel somewhere, you're out of luck!
[19:38] <ArcherSeven> I've never opened openbox's i use it's manager, the themes you have to hack though.
[19:38] <KittyKatt> Would it be wise to create a new partition and make a fresh install to test upon? I realize that is highly impossible in some situations, but...
[19:38] <Araneidae> Oh, don't need to change too much to play with a window manager: just a matter of choosing it on login
[19:38]  * KittyKatt is in one of those situations, unfortunately.
[19:39] <Araneidae> At least, that's been my experience so far
[19:39] <ArcherSeven> ya
[19:39] <ArcherSeven> well that's fine if you've got a login manager
[19:39] <KittyKatt> lol @ not having a login manager
[19:39] <KittyKatt> XD
[19:39] <ArcherSeven> I don't, cuz I use Debian w/o a desktop environment to install from
[19:39] <Araneidae> My machine was an Ubuntu install, so it's got all the shiney bits in place
[19:40] <ArcherSeven> well that will certainly make it easier
[19:40] <ArcherSeven> what kinda system specs do you have?
[19:40] <KittyKatt> By the way, how's that going for you, ArcherSeven?
[19:40] <Araneidae> Yeah.  I've used Debian headless, but never played with Debian desktop.
[19:40] <KittyKatt> Nevermind: later. ^^
[19:40] <ArcherSeven> KittyKatt, be great if I could find a kernel.  I have a fully configured install w/ no kernel on it.
[19:40] <Araneidae> Well, the interesting spec is Nvidia card with two monitors
[19:40] <KittyKatt> ArcherSeven: ...lol
[19:40] <ArcherSeven> Araneidae, same here...
[19:40] <Araneidae> Where'd your kernel go?
[19:41] <ArcherSeven> uhh the only one in the installer doesn't have ext4 support
[19:41] <KittyKatt> ArcherSeven: This sounds familiar, no?
[19:41] <ArcherSeven> so i simply didn't install one
[19:41] <ArcherSeven> i'm looking to patch one in hopefully
[19:42] <ArcherSeven> Araneidae, RAM and CPU?
[19:42] <ArcherSeven> (INXI output if you have it would be absolutely wonderful...)
[19:42] <Araneidae> Just upgraded it to 3G RAM, but unfortunately can't see 0.5G of that
[19:42] <Araneidae> Not quite sure what the CPU is
[19:42]  * Araneidae goes to take a peek at dmesg
[19:42] <KittyKatt> ....
[19:43] <KittyKatt> I guess it would be handy if I put that info down somewhere, too....
[19:43] <KittyKatt> >>
[19:43] <Araneidae> No idea!
[19:43] <ArcherSeven> KittyKatt, i'll run you through an INXI install later
[19:43] <ArcherSeven> unless you both want it now.
[19:43] <KittyKatt> ArcherSeven: lolz
[19:43]  * KittyKatt shrugs
[19:43] <Araneidae> There it is:  CPU0: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3700+ stepping 01
[19:43] <KittyKatt> Araneidae: How did you see that?
[19:43] <Araneidae> Just the one core, so not particularly high spec
[19:43] <KittyKatt> ^^
[19:43] <ArcherSeven> KittyKatt, that look familiarish?
[19:44] <Araneidae> It's an Asus A8N motherboard
[19:44] <ArcherSeven> that's a near fall-in for my server
[19:44] <ArcherSeven> with a lot more RAM
[19:44] <KittyKatt> I know mine is an AMD Turion X2 Dual-Core Mobile Processor RM-70
[19:44] <Araneidae> dmesg |grep CPU will bring that up
[19:44] <ArcherSeven> and a hair more processor
[19:44]  * KittyKatt just read that off of the sticker still on the laptop....
[19:45] <Araneidae> Anyhow, must go and douse my self in warm water.
[19:45] <KittyKatt> o_O
[19:45] <ArcherSeven> mk, gonna return?
[19:45] <ArcherSeven> ...
[19:46] <KittyKatt> Yup, just did that in terminal and got the following result:
[19:46] <KittyKatt> [    0.444155] CPU1: AMD Turion(tm) X2 Dual-Core Mobile RM-70 stepping 01
[19:46] <KittyKatt> [    0.359245] CPU0: AMD Turion(tm) X2 Dual-Core Mobile RM-70 stepping 01
[19:46] <ArcherSeven> System:    Host max-laptop Kernel 2.6.27-11-generic i686 (32 bit) Distro Linux Mint 6 Felicia
[19:46] <ArcherSeven> CPU:       Dual core Intel Pentium Dual T2390 (SMP) clocked at 1867.00 MHz
[19:46] <ArcherSeven> Graphics:  Card Intel Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller X.Org 1.5.2 Res<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:46] <ArcherSeven> Disks:     HDD Total Size: 160.0GB (13.1% used)
[19:46] <ArcherSeven> Info:      Processes 142 Uptime 2:04 Memory 522.0/3029.7MB Client X-Chat 2.8.6 inxi 1.0.6
[19:46] <ArcherSeven> win.
[19:46] <KittyKatt> ....
[19:46] <ArcherSeven> anyways....
[19:46] <KittyKatt> /exec ????
[19:46] <ArcherSeven> yes, a little.
[19:47] <KittyKatt> You could share the arguements that followed the /exec
[19:47] <KittyKatt> :P
[19:47] <ArcherSeven> mk
[19:47] <KittyKatt> XD
[19:47] <ArcherSeven> /exec -o inxi -da
[19:47] <Araneidae> Back in 20 mins
[19:47] <ArcherSeven> ...  minus the a
[19:47] <KittyKatt> Gotcha
[19:47] <ArcherSeven> k, ttyl Andorin
[19:47] <ArcherSeven> ..
[19:47] <ArcherSeven> really?
[19:47] <ArcherSeven> Araneidae, *
[19:47] <KittyKatt> lol
[19:47] <KittyKatt> tabpwned
[19:48] <KittyKatt> [13:47:31]<&KittyKatt> sh: insi: not found
[19:48] <KittyKatt> Whoops.
[19:48] <KittyKatt> [13:47:31]<&KittyKatt> sh: inxi: not found
[19:48] <ArcherSeven> baha.
[19:48] <KittyKatt> Eh?
[19:48] <ArcherSeven> ya...   that's a linuxmint exclusive
[19:48] <KittyKatt> ....
[19:48] <ArcherSeven> there's a way to install it if you want.
[19:48] <KittyKatt> You suck. :P
[19:49] <KittyKatt> How would it benefit me? And would there be disadvantages?
[19:49] <KittyKatt> ...
[19:49]  * KittyKatt just failed
[19:49] <KittyKatt> How to install?
[19:50] <ArcherSeven> it's a debian installer
[19:50] <KittyKatt> (Yes, I know that was a graphical failure)
[19:50] <KittyKatt> ....
[19:50] <KittyKatt> graphical?
[19:50] <KittyKatt> No.
[19:50] <KittyKatt> grammatical*
[19:50] <ArcherSeven> I had dependency issues that i managed to overcome with dpkg, so h/o a sec and i'll gtfy
[19:50] <KittyKatt> ....
[19:50] <KittyKatt> Nuh-uh.
[19:51] <KittyKatt> Awcrap
[19:51] <KittyKatt> Gotta go, ArcherSeven. I'll be on later.
[19:51] <ArcherSeven> alright
[19:51] <KittyKatt> Bothering_you said she would try to get on IRC once she gets to where she's going.
[19:52] <KittyKatt> The hotel she was at was running
[19:52] <KittyKatt> Vista and didn't like her flash drive.
[19:52] <ArcherSeven> hmm.
[19:52] <ArcherSeven> we'll have to fix that
[19:52] <KittyKatt> Yup.
[19:52] <KittyKatt> Getting off of this server...I'll still be on yours.
[19:52] <KittyKatt> :P
[19:52] <KittyKatt> Seeya, Araneidae.
[20:06] <Araneidae> Cheers KittyKatt, just missed you!
[20:07] <ArcherSeven>  lol
[20:07] <Araneidae> Thinking what I use from a desktop manager:
[20:07] <Araneidae> alt-tab support is nice, and so is the bar with a list of running apps
[20:08] <Araneidae> also it's nice to have access to the Ubuntu menu.  ArcherSeven, do you know if openbox gives menu support?
[20:09] <Araneidae> Suppose I can try GKrellM instead of the rather nice Gnome system monitor widget...
[20:09] <ArcherSeven> h/o
[20:09] <ArcherSeven> yes, i do know
[20:09] <ArcherSeven> but i have to brb lol
[20:09] <Araneidae> np
[20:09] <Araneidae> ah well, and I have to disappear in 10 mins!
[20:10] <ArcherSeven> bk
[20:10] <ArcherSeven> OpenBox has it's own menu which is, compared to fluxbox and pekwm, quite complete; and it has menu support that's not the easiest thing to configure.
[20:10] <ArcherSeven> but
[20:10] <ArcherSeven> if you put like xfce panel in
[20:10] <ArcherSeven> then
[20:10] <ArcherSeven> you can just use the menus run off of it.
[20:11] <Araneidae> aha!  That sounds quite promising
[20:11] <Araneidae> 'cos when I tried some other window manager (can't remember which) it had its own very special notion of what menu options to present...
[20:12] <Araneidae> In fact, any idea where the [X]Ubuntu "Applications" menu lives on the system?!
[20:13] <ArcherSeven> uhh...
[20:13] <ArcherSeven> KittyKatt might
[20:13] <ArcherSeven> i don't use Xubuntu
[20:13] <Araneidae> heh
[20:14] <ArcherSeven> actually, i'm pretty well known in the linuxmint community.
[20:14] <Araneidae> Ooh: minty green!
[20:15] <Araneidae> What framework do you use to build Linux Mint?
[20:15] <Araneidae> Or maybe I mean, what distro is it originally based on?
[20:15] <ArcherSeven> A) i'm not a developer.   but i'm friends w/ one and talk to most the rest...
[20:15] <ArcherSeven> mint main is ubuntu based
[20:15] <ArcherSeven> mint lxde which is test atm is debian
[20:16] <ArcherSeven> and there is a debian based CE
[20:16] <Araneidae> ahaha, ok, I understand
[20:16] <ArcherSeven> xfce is xubuntu based
[20:16] <ArcherSeven> kde is ubuntu-minimal based.
[20:16] <ArcherSeven> i believe.  maybe wrong on kde
[20:17] <Araneidae> Oh yuk: my taskbar has gone weird!
[20:17] <ArcherSeven> you're like KittyKatt, you just keep adding stuff.   I'm glad your on xubuntu, from my expierence, it likes that the best.
[20:18] <Araneidae> Huh -- deleted a window and it's back
[20:18] <Araneidae> Oh, this is my play games at home machine.
[20:18] <ArcherSeven> what different machines you use?
[20:18] <Araneidae> At work I'm on Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4 (ancient)
[20:18] <ArcherSeven> btw, i mentioned inxi earlier, http://code.google.com/p/inxi/wiki/Installation if you're curious.
[20:18] <Araneidae> and I develop for a rather nice embedded ARM target
[20:19] <ArcherSeven> hmm.  that's cool
[20:19] <ArcherSeven> Red Hat is the official linux os of the college i'm going to next year
[20:19] <ArcherSeven> which makes no sense to anyone there or here cuz noone uses it
[20:19] <Araneidae> I've even take the (insane) time to roll my own Linux distro for the ARM target, busybox based, which makes it pretty simple
[20:20] <ArcherSeven> lol
[20:20] <ArcherSeven> I do a lot of server stuff
[20:20] <Araneidae> RHEL is very corporate, but a bit of a pain to be honest, particularly something as elderly as RHEL 4.
[20:20] <ArcherSeven> my own IRC server and website running off my server kinda to my right here.
[20:20] <Araneidae> Well, I think our admin guy is fairly happy with RH, their updates seem to work well enough
[20:20] <Araneidae> heh
[20:20] <ArcherSeven> I'm scared that's where ubuntu is headed
[20:21] <ArcherSeven> and linuxmint frankly
[20:21] <Araneidae> I used to run an IRC node on my old FreeBSD box, but that particular network folded an age ago.
[20:21] <Araneidae> Argh: I am going to turn into a pumpkin!
[20:21] <Araneidae> Catch you later. :-)
[20:21] <ArcherSeven> alright, ttyl
[20:22] <ArcherSeven> IRSeekBot, list
[20:45] <J_Litewski> How would I compile the newest XFCE for a liveCD?
[20:46] <J_Litewski> sorry wrong channel
[21:13] <robbyrobbyrobrob> er...hello?
[21:14] <th0r> er?
[21:15] <robbyrobbyrobrob> yay theres someone here! i'm trying to install xubuntu but having problems can anyone help??
[21:15] <th0r> based on all that information...I would say no
[21:17] <robbyrobbyrobrob> i would agree with that, sorry. i get a window titled "install" with nothing in it and then the computer freezes. its an old thinkpad laptop (600E) 366mhz 128mb memory.
[21:18] <robbyrobbyrobrob> and im trying to install 8.10
[21:18] <bob__> how do I get the window borders back when using compiz?
[21:18] <th0r> robbyrobbyrobrob: check ubuntu.com, I think 8.10 will require more than 128Mb ram
[21:19] <robbyrobbyrobrob> i think that was the minimum. *goes off to check*
[21:21] <th0r> robbyrobbyrobrob: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/810
[21:21] <th0r> 256mb
[21:21] <robbyrobbyrobrob> ah ha!
[21:21] <th0r> got a harder one?
[21:22] <th0r> (question)
[21:22] <robbyrobbyrobrob> can you recomend an os that would work on that system?
[21:23] <th0r> robbyrobbyrobrob: look at mepis linux, or damnsmallllinux (dsl)
[21:24] <th0r> http://www.mepis.org/
[21:24] <th0r> google is choking on dsl
[21:24] <th0r> www.damnsmalllinux.org
[21:25] <th0r> these questions are way to easy <smile> I will never get to the million dollar question this way
[21:26] <bob__> nobody knows why the windows borders disapear leaving the windows unmoveable and uncloseable when using compiz fusion
[21:27] <robbyrobbyrobrob> do things that are really smelly lose weight because they are loosing more "smell" atoms
[21:28] <th0r> robbyrobbyrobrob: that question stinks
[21:28] <robbyrobbyrobrob> why thank you
[21:29] <th0r> (back to topic...or close anyway) robbyrobbyrobrob dsl will run right off the cd, so you might want to take a look at that. I played with it and it looked really interesting
[21:30] <robbyrobbyrobrob> trying to get it myself, bloomin broadband! dial up was quicker than this!
[21:31] <th0r> US?
[21:32] <th0r> most broadband in the US is being throttled at a lot less than the advertised data rate
[21:37] <_rob_rob_> what have i missad?
[21:37] <_rob_rob_> missed
[21:38] <bob__> anyone know how to keep the window borders when using compiz?
[21:38] <th0r> not much....robbyrobbyrobrob left
[21:38] <_rob_rob_> http://www.xubuntu.org/get says You need 192 MB RAM to run the Live CD or 128 MB RAM to install. The Alternate Install CD only requires you to have 64 MB RAM at install time. To install Xubuntu, you need 1.5 GB of free space on your hard disk. Once installed, Xubuntu can run with starting from 192 (or even just 128) MB RAM, but it is strongly recommended to have at least 256 MB RAM.
[21:39] <_rob_rob_> no im here but under a slightly shorter name
[21:39] <th0r> bob__: compiz and xfce....why? like buying a sports car that goes fast so you can haul a large trailer
[21:40] <th0r> _rob_rob_: (i know....it was a joke). Didn't know the limit for xubuntu was still that low...thought it was always about the same as ubuntu
[21:41] <bob__> th0r I had heard that it would help offload some of the 2d lifting from the CPU, the system is a Celeron4 2.4Ghz, 512Mb DDR 266 and a Quadro4 980XGL AGP card, same gpu as the Geforce4 Ti 4800
[21:41] <th0r> are you sure it is freezing at the install? It might just be taking a long time to load (to be expected with just 128MB ram)
[21:42] <th0r> bob__: yeah...that should handle compiz quite well. I tried compiz and it didn't like my acer laptop so I dumped it...can't be a lot of help there
[21:43] <_rob_rob_> the cd and hdd activity stops. i left it for about 5 mins
[21:43] <bob__> th0r yeah, my only issue is that I lose the window border when I turn it on, so windows are unmoveable and uncloseable
[21:43] <th0r> _rob_rob_: it starts to load but doesn't complete, right? You never get any menu or info screens?
[21:44] <_rob_rob_> correct, i get the scrolling bar then a mouse then a window titled install and thats where it stops
[21:45] <th0r> bob__: yeah, I had that problem with my toshiba when compiz first came out, never did find out what was happening, just chalked it up to experimental software. You will probably have better luck in #ubuntu...they would be more likely to be using compiz and the only difference between ubuntu and xubuntu is the desktop environment
[21:45] <_rob_rob_> progress bar
[21:45] <_rob_rob_> oh
[21:46] <_rob_rob_> would have thought there was more "gubbins" to it than that
[21:46] <th0r> _rob_rob_: If I remember the alternate install correctly that Install screen isn't completing...should be the first of the install questions and info
[21:46] <th0r> gubbins?
[21:47] <th0r> _rob_rob_: I believe the limits you found for xubuntu, but it still sounds like the system is running out of ram to me.
[21:48] <___rob___> evr since xp sp2 this computer's been rubbish!
[21:48] <___rob___> ever
[21:51] <___rob___> what about an old version of ubuntu?
[21:51] <th0r> ___rob___: did you verify the cd before you started the install?
[21:51] <___rob___> i did the cd check on the xubuntu startup screen and it seemed to like it
[21:52] <th0r> ___rob___: also, are you using the alternate install or the live cd?
[21:52] <___rob___> live cd
[21:53] <___rob___> would have been better with the alternate but it looked more complicated
[21:53] <th0r> ___rob___: My first step would be to download the alternate...it isn't any harder....you just get the same questions in text instead of on a gui...no cartoons
[21:54] <___rob___> lol
[21:54] <th0r> ___rob___: this page is for 7.04, but the info is still applicable...https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems
[21:55] <___rob___> right i'll try that, but not now, my internet's playing up.#
[21:55] <th0r> ___rob___: I noticed...but you keep coming back...must be the masochist in you
[21:56] <___rob___> *grin*
[21:56] <th0r> ___rob___: good luck...sorry I didn't have a magic answer.
[21:57] <___rob___> you've been very helpful, thank you.
[21:57] <___rob___> off to see if my socks are dry now.
[22:00] <nicklas_> gday