[05:22] <cellofellow> mandoz: it's better than Aero though. you read the requirements for Windows Vista. Ouch $$$$
[05:22] <maryen> yes but when it's finished it will run much faster and will require hardware a fraction of the strength of vista
[05:22] <cellofellow> my computer is a little slow. sometimes I kill superkaramba to speed things up
[05:23] <cellofellow> maryen: I know. my point exactly
[05:23] <BonBonTheJon> mandoz: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=189192/
[05:23] <Ahmuck> gamma does not help
[05:23] <maryen> is this in kaffiene?
[05:24] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: ack...it's still complaining....I seem to remember it did this when I first used this source list...just ignored it...I give up for now...I have to get off....sleep
[05:24] <maryen> nevermind i don't wanna help anyone else today
[05:24] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kkathman: hows the work coming?
[05:24] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: ok, bye
[05:24] <Ahmuck> nm, wrong monitor setting
[05:27] <BonBonTheJon> Xal2: try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[05:28] <BonBonTheJon> Xal2: I think it tells how to fix grub, it should work for you
[05:28] <greenman> naaronbo
[05:28] <cellofellow> they took screenshot uploads off of the pastebin :-(
[05:29] <maryen> eh imageshack still works
[05:29] <Brydenn33> god i'm soooooooooooooo tipsy right now lol
[05:29] <Brydenn33> glad i can at least type straight
[05:30] <Brydenn33> i blame this beer: http://www.widmer.com/beer_brokenhalo.aspx
[05:30] <Brydenn33> haha
[05:30] <dave_> My mouse is spasstic in kubuntu?>!
[05:31] <dave_> laptop mouse!
[05:31] <dave_> IBM one
[05:31] <Brydenn33> lol
[05:31] <Brydenn33> that sucks dave
[05:31] <Brydenn33> how'd that happen?
[05:31] <BonBonTheJon> !language
[05:31] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:32] <dave_> well i installedit
[05:32] <Xal2> BonBonTheJon, I found that I needed to use the same drive Linux was on. Then it worked perfectly.
[05:32] <dave_> and thats what happened
[05:32] <Brydenn33> BonBonTheJon: you arent talking to me are you?
[05:32] <BonBonTheJon> Brydenn33: yes you
[05:32] <BonBonTheJon> Xal2: so is it working?
[05:32] <dave_> no
[05:32] <Brydenn33> what did i say that wasnt family friendly? everything i've said has been PG-13
[05:33] <dave_> need mouse help?
[05:33] <dave_> !
[05:33] <Xal2> Yeah, but by using the first drive originally, I screwed up my Windows boot so now I have to repeat this process
[05:33] <Xal2> lol
[05:33] <BonBonTheJon> Xal2: good to hear you at least know what to do
[05:33] <Xal2> You said, "sucks."
[05:33] <dave_> need help!
[05:33] <BonBonTheJon> dave_: what do you mean you installed it
[05:33] <dave_> "sucks" zomg?!
[05:33] <dave_> rfmnvs
[05:33] <dave_> sdagva
[05:33] <dave_> dfsafsafdg
[05:33] <dave_> srgardt
[05:33] <dave_> hg
[05:33] <dave_> rgt43
[05:33] <dave_> te
[05:33] <Brydenn33> Xal2: haha sucks? you gotta be kidding me lmfao
[05:33] <dave_> ag
[05:33] <dave_> df
[05:33] <dave_> bs
[05:33] <dave_> SPAM
[05:33] <dave_> lol soz
[05:33] <Xal2> I figure that's why he got the warning, lol.
[05:33] <Xal2> I don't care.
[05:34] <Brydenn33> neither do i
[05:34] <Brydenn33> BonBonTheJon: is obviously a republican wacko
[05:34] <BonBonTheJon> Brydenn33: I do agree that would fly in a PG-13 movie
[05:34] <dave_> installed kubuntu, mouse went strange
[05:34] <Brydenn33> thanks BonBonTheJon
[05:34] <Brydenn33> we at least agree on 1 thing
[05:34] <Brydenn33> what does it do dave_
[05:35] <dave_> jumps around the screen, opens random apps etc
[05:35] <Brydenn33> thats nuts
[05:35] <Brydenn33> brb gotta check on the salmon i'm cooking
[05:35] <dave_> lolkay
[05:35] <BonBonTheJon> dave_: do you mean a touchpad or a mouse
[05:35] <dave_> intellipoint
[05:36] <dave_> trackpoint
[05:36] <dave_> type of thing
[05:36] <maryen> ah, rebooting on edgy is so much better than dapper
[05:36] <BonBonTheJon> dave_: I have heard that there are some problems using touchpads (and trackpoint by inclusion, maybe?) in kubuntu
[05:36] <dave_> yeah, happens on other lappys too
[05:36] <dave_> :(
[05:37] <Brydenn33> what version are you running btw dave_?
[05:37] <maryen> what kinda problems?
[05:37] <Brydenn33> you running 6.06?
[05:37] <dave_> yuz
[05:37] <maryen> im using touchpad atm and no problems
[05:38] <Brydenn33> hmm
[05:38] <dave_> 6.06
[05:38] <Brydenn33> thats strange
[05:38] <dave_> lts
[05:38] <dave_> 'tis, and on some PCs it doesnt even run at all
[05:38] <dave_> (kubuntu)
[05:38] <dave_> but thats not the main prob,
[05:38] <dave_> the mouse is
[05:39] <maryen> dave_: perhaps try edgy?
[05:39] <dave_> edgy?
[05:39] <maryen> edgy eft
[05:39] <BonBonTheJon> !edgy
[05:39] <maryen> !edgy
[05:39] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[05:39] <BonBonTheJon> maryen: good timing :)
[05:39] <maryen> its on RC1 right now, so its pretty stable
[05:39] <maryen> lol i know
[05:39] <dave_> ah, yeah i saw that
[05:39] <cellofellow> maryen: yeah, whenever I shutdown usplash kind of disappears
[05:40] <dave_> but in australia, i only have 512k internet
[05:40] <VooXo> hi all
[05:40] <cellofellow> anybody know what an eft is?
[05:40] <dave_> so its annoying tod download
[05:40] <maryen> lets see if ubotu knows
[05:40] <maryen> !eft
[05:40] <ubotu> eft is a newt in its terrestrial stage of development - the release after Dapper will be called Edgy Eft.  For information and pictures of efts/newts, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newt or try !edgy
[05:40] <rcarr> An electronic fund transfer
[05:40] <maryen> omg it does
[05:40] <dave_> Electronic Funds Transfer :P
[05:40] <rcarr> I WIN DAVE
[05:40] <dave_> meh
[05:40] <cellofellow> there have poison skins
[05:40] <maryen> no i win
[05:40] <dave_> btw my names shane
[05:40] <dave_> lol
[05:40] <rcarr> Now I have the rights to your first born son!
[05:40] <rcarr> woooo
[05:40] <rcarr> ...ornot
[05:41] <dave_> ehh
[05:41] <dave_> kay
[05:41] <maryen> i won through the powers of ubotu
[05:41] <dave_> well that might take, say 10-15 years...
[05:41] <dave_> (the son thing)
[05:41] <rcarr> Haha
[05:42] <mynameisSHANE> so any ideas?
[05:42] <cellofellow> kxdocker is cool, except these aliases to nothing in particular that don't go away: http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/7563/kxdockerwi8.jpg:
[05:42] <maryen> !drake
[05:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about drake - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:42] <mynameisSHANE> ah well, dave wantsta do other things
[05:42] <rcarr> I was really hoping for ubuntu fuzzy ferret
[05:42] <VooXo> i have problems with starting live variant of my kubuntu 6.06 -- my mouse doesn't work and i need 800x600 resolution... what is the command for reconfiguring the x server?
[05:42] <cellofellow> drake's a male duck
[05:42] <mynameisSHANE> Drake is a good linear amp!
[05:42] <rcarr> Drake is a dragon!
[05:42] <mynameisSHANE> :O
[05:42] <rcarr> or a male duck
[05:42] <mynameisSHANE> bye!
[05:42] <VooXo> anyone...?
[05:42] <mynameisSHANE> yeah
[05:43] <mynameisSHANE> well
[05:43] <mynameisSHANE> or its a liunux thing... ~~~~
[05:43] <mynameisSHANE> BYENOW
[05:43] <rcarr> VooXo: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:43] <cellofellow> is 7.whatsit really Feisty Fawy?
[05:43] <cellofellow> Fawn
[05:43] <BonBonTheJon> cellofellow: yeah, 7.04 is Feisty Fawn
[05:43] <BonBonTheJon> !feisty
[05:43] <ubotu> feisty is the codename for ubuntu 7.04
[05:43] <VooXo> ok... that's for the resolution... but, how do i set my mouse to be SERIAL and not PS/2, as it is by default?
[05:44] <cellofellow> interesting codename
[05:44] <rcarr> It will always be Fuzzy Ferret in my heart
[05:44] <rcarr> VooXo: err, i don't know anything about serial mice, but it would be in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:45] <rcarr> VooXo: Open it with vim or nano or something http://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R6.9.0/doc/html/mouse4.html
[05:45] <rcarr> Vooxo: Provides useful documentation
[05:45] <cellofellow> VooXo: just do a sudo dpgk-reconfigure xserver-xorg and when it asks about mice say it's a serial mouse and it works like a charm.
[05:45] <cellofellow> rcarr: Fuzzy Ferret?
[05:45] <rcarr> rcarr: I was hoping that w*o uld bbe the name of Edgy+1
[05:45] <rcarr> err
[05:45] <VooXo> but i think it doesn't ask about mouse, at all... o_O as long as i remember...
[05:46] <rcarr> cellofellow: I was hoping that would be the name of Edgy+1, but it's Feisty Fawn
[05:46] <AsheD> I have been having some problems with amarok reading tags, and I am told I may not have UTF-8 support or something on my system [I actually use Ubuntu though] , how can I check/remedy this?
[05:46] <rcarr> VooXo: You can open /etc/X11/xorg.conf and edit as mentioned: http://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R6.9.0/doc/html/mouse4.html
[05:46] <VooXo> thanks..
[05:46] <rcarr> AsheD: I think ubuntu has had UTF-8 as default since...breezy badger
[05:46] <cellofellow> rcarr: seems to be going in alphabetical order now. dapper, edgy, feisty, what's next? giddy?
[05:47] <AsheD> rcarr:: then do you have a better explanation as why this doesn't work?
[05:47] <rcarr> Cellofellow: Galvanizing Goat?
[05:47] <cellofellow> rcarr: lol
[05:47] <rcarr> Ashed: Not without any more specifics, but the UTF-8 thing seems unlikely
[05:47] <cellofellow> rcarr: doesn't work. gavanizing's a verb, and it's always an adjective
[05:48] <rcarr> Cellofellow: Good point
[05:48] <VooXo> after reconfiguring x server, how do i restart it?
[05:48] <cellofellow> rcarr: I would say Grumpy Goose but that's not really a good image.
[05:48] <VooXo> what to do before "startx" command?
[05:49] <AsheD> basically, I have my music named with what I believe to be ISO 8859-1 encoding [Ubuntu's character map on the "Latin" set] , and I used id3v2 to create tags for the music, but they don't show correctly in amarok, so there is a disconnect somewhere
[05:49] <rcarr> cellofellow: Grumpy Groundhog is the name of a permanently in development distro to be released at some point
[05:49] <cellofellow> VooXo: better to use kdm and go to terminal 7
[05:49] <rcarr> cellofellow:It pulls source directly from revision control and compiles daily
[05:49] <VooXo> cellofellow explain please
[05:49] <rcarr> cellofellow: Like an even more unstable debian sid
[05:49] <t3hwiz0rd-server> cellofellow: did kkathman get booted?
[05:49] <cellofellow> t3hwiz0rd-server: dunno
[05:49] <rcarr> VooXo: Run kdm --no-daemon rather than startx
[05:50] <rcarr> VooXo: Requires root privelages
[05:50] <VooXo> ok, but, will xserver be restarted?
[05:50] <Brydenn33> does anyone have a link or knowledge of exactly what the differences are between 6.06 and 6.10?
[05:50] <rcarr> VooXo: Oh, it's already up?
[05:50] <cellofellow> VooXo: then go to vt:7 with ctrl+alt+F7
[05:50] <rcarr> VooXo: If it was startted by the boot process
[05:50] <rcarr> VooXo: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[05:50] <rcarr> VooXo: If you started it with startx, sudo killall xorg
[05:50] <cellofellow> VooXo: that should work, what rcarr said
[05:51] <rcarr> And killall is safe in this situation! because I have never heard of a multiuser live cd!
[05:51] <VooXo> thanks... :)
[05:51] <rcarr> Before someone yells at me for using sudo and killall
[05:51] <kkathman> wheeeeeeeeee!
[05:51] <cellofellow> rcarr: used to use it all the time before figureing out /etc/init.d/
[05:51] <cellofellow> kkathman: good to go
[05:51] <cellofellow> ??
[05:52] <kkathman> good to go
[05:52] <kkathman> really was simple after all
[05:52] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kkathman: does it work?
[05:52] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kkathman: yay!
[05:52] <kkathman> yep
[05:52] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kkathman: hurray for irssi eh? lol
[05:52] <cellofellow> kkathman: you got some 3D hardware acceleration doing?
[05:52] <cellofellow> irssi saved me a lot
[05:52] <VooXo> one more question: anyone knows where can i find lucent modem drivers for this distro? o_O
[05:52] <t3hwiz0rd-server> irssi  is gods gift to geek
[05:52] <kkathman> t3hwiz0rd-server:  actuall I called nalioth... he got it working
[05:53] <t3hwiz0rd-server> lol..
[05:53] <Kyral> t3hwiz0rd-server: no
[05:53] <Kyral> t3hwiz0rd-server: irssi + screen is :P
[05:53] <christopher> hi all, I just installed kuduntu, I'm just wondering why I can't ctrl+alt+F1-6 into terminals...don;t most linux distros let you do that?
[05:53] <cellofellow> what is "screen"
[05:53] <Kyral> !screen
[05:53] <ubotu> screen is a terminal multiplexer. See http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/3/9/16838/14935 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Screen
[05:53] <rcarr> christopher: Never heard of kubuntu not letting you do that
[05:53] <cellofellow> christopher: works for me
[05:53] <rcarr> christopher: did you select somethingg like "single user mode"
[05:53] <christopher> I just get a blank screen
[05:53] <Kyral> ....why the fuck do they call it a "terminal multiplexer"
[05:53] <rcarr> Kyral: Because that's what it is?
[05:54] <kkathman> kinda odd tho
[05:54] <VooXo> rcarr lucent modem drivers...? o_O
[05:54] <Brydenn33> k guess i found my answer
[05:54] <christopher> rcarr, not sure
[05:54] <kkathman> adept keeps saying there are updates
[05:54] <Kyral> christopher: ahh, thats because the framebuffer for the terminals is using the same driver as the X Server
[05:54] <rcarr> VooXo: ?
[05:54] <cellofellow> does it make it so I can do more than one thing per virtual terminal?
[05:54] <Kyral> so they block each other (same thing happens to me on Arch occassionlly)
[05:54] <kkathman> but when it brings up 3 things...it says "no changes"
[05:54] <Brydenn33> for any who want to know the big differences between 6.06 and 6.10 here it is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Beta
[05:54] <christopher> Kyral, how can I change the driver for the termianl?
[05:55] <VooXo> rcarr do you know maybe where could i find lucent modem drivers for this 6.06 version of kubuntu...?
[05:55] <christopher> Kyral, err, framebuffer
[05:55] <Kyral> cellofellow: it also allows you to detach the Screen session from one terminal and reattach it to another
[05:55] <rcarr> VooXo: No, sorry, only suggestion is google
[05:55] <Kyral> christopher: I usually just disable the FB\
[05:55] <cellofellow> Kyral: wow. I thought konsole was powerful.
[05:55] <christopher> Kyral, how can I do that under ubuntu?
[05:55] <Kyral> Irssi + Screen + SSH Server == AWESOMENESS
[05:56] <VooXo> rcarr i can find some drivers for lucent, but almost all of them are for older kernels... any way to compile them under newer kernel?
[05:56] <cellofellow> Kyral: wish X could do something like that, move app from vt:7 to SSH or something like that.
[05:56] <Kyral> run Irssi in Screen on the server, then when you wanna talk on Irssi, SSH in and reattach the session to your terminal :P
[05:56] <rcarr> No, no automatic conversion, unless by older you mean older 2.6 series
[05:56] <rcarr> err, that was for VooXo
[05:56] <Kyral> christopher: I dunno..sorry
[05:56] <christopher> Kyral, thank anyway
[05:57] <VooXo> rcarr no, there are a lot ofr drivers for 2.4 kernels.. o_O
[05:57] <cellofellow> Kyral: y'know if there's something like the detachement/reattachement thing in the works for X. maybe X12 (if it is even thought of)
[05:57] <cellofellow> ?
[05:57] <Kyral> cellofellow: Nope don't know
[05:58] <Kyral> VNC comes closest
[05:58] <cellofellow> Is there someone working on X12?
[05:58] <cellofellow> or is that XGL?
[05:58] <Kyral> Its XOrg now
[05:58] <cellofellow> never mind, foot in mouth
[05:59] <rcarr> Cellofellow: Nice save
[05:59] <cellofellow> Kyral: but I thought X.Org was the maintainers of the X11 system and protocols.
[05:59] <rcarr> Cellofellow: There are revisions of the standard, like R6 R7 etc
[05:59] <rcarr> cellofellow: They are, and the xorg server is the reference implementation
[06:00] <cellofellow> rcarr: I thought the revisions were something to do with xfree86
[06:00] <rcarr> cellofellow: Everyone uses it though, because the developoer of the other decent server xfree86 got all ass like and stuff
[06:00] <ubahmapk> If I remember correctly, I think, technically, x.org was a fork, but X11 has been abandoned...
[06:00] <rcarr> ubahmapk: no, X11 IS NOT A PROGRAM
[06:00] <rcarr> ubahmapk: X11 is a protocol, like http
[06:00] <rcarr> ubahmapk: XF86 and Xorg, implement X11
[06:00] <ubahmapk> rcarr: interesting
[06:00] <rcarr> ubahmapk: And Xorg does revisions of X11, i.e. r4 r5 r6
[06:00] <ubahmapk> rcarr: hadn't heard it like that before
[06:00] <cellofellow> so, is there an X12 is the works in the computer labs of some university somewhere or something?
[06:01] <rcarr> cellofellow: Not that I know of, just a new revision of X11
[06:01] <rcarr> cellofellow: There was never an X1/X2/X3/X4, etc
[06:01] <cellofellow> oh, well, wishful thinking
[06:01] <rcarr> Sorry for the caps, it wasn't screaming
[06:01] <rcarr> just emphasis
[06:01] <cellofellow> rcarr: I think I once heard of X9 and X10
[06:01] <cellofellow> rcarr: from the 80,s didn't last long
[06:01] <Linux_Galore> yeah X11 is not a version number its just a name for a protocol
[06:02] <maryen> who here owns a cat?
[06:02] <rcarr> I do!
[06:02] <maryen> hooray!
[06:02] <ubahmapk> ditto
[06:02] <maryen> aren't cats the greatest?
[06:02] <rcarr> cellofellow: I don't think so...X11 is pretty old itself
[06:02] <cellofellow> my family has three cats. they kind of suck
[06:02] <ubahmapk> maryen: dogs.  dogs are the greatest
[06:02] <Linux_Galore> I like cats but they are off my list because of alergies
[06:03] <DaSkreech> cellofellow: Those were planes
[06:03] <DaSkreech> !offtopi
[06:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about offtopi - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:03] <DaSkreech> !offtopic
[06:03] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[06:03] <cellofellow> rcarr: I'm pretty sure there was something on Wikipedia about X starting at 1 off of the really old W.
[06:03] <maryen> ubahmapk: no! my dogs never came up to me and snuggled into me to go to sleep because they were lonely
[06:03] <cellofellow> DaSkreech: ok, ok
[06:03] <rcarr> cellofellow: Wikipedia is infalliable! :p
[06:03] <ubahmapk> maryen: however, my cat did give me a great laugh tonight when she tried to drink my coffee from this morning
[06:03] <ubahmapk> ok, enough about cats
[06:03] <ubahmapk> sorry
[06:03] <cellofellow> rcarr: was that sarcastic?
[06:04] <rcarr> cellofellow: Yes
[06:04] <DaSkreech> ubahmapk: say waht you want about them Just do it in O-T :-)
[06:04] <ubahmapk> DaSkreech: right.
[06:04] <DaSkreech> maryen: Maybe but again talk about then in O-T
[06:04] <rcarr> cellofellow:I actually like wikipedia, just it frequently has sinaccurate stuff
[06:04] <cellofellow> rcarr: yeah, I know
[06:04] <DaSkreech> sinaccurate!!
[06:04] <DaSkreech> I claim that word!
[06:04] <maryen> thems fighting words linux_galore
[06:05] <rcarr> sine of accurate?
[06:05] <rcarr> sorry?
[06:05] <rcarr> oh
[06:05] <rcarr> I typed that
[06:05] <rcarr> ...right
[06:06] <DaSkreech> !away
[06:06] <Linux_Galore> lets be honest cats or no more than a warm blooded parasitic organsim
[06:06] <ubotu> Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines
[06:06] <Linux_Galore> organism*
[06:06] <maryen> >:( someones cruisin for a bruisin
[06:07] <Linux_Galore> cats like "some" dogs specialise in a social relationship (fooling mugs) into handing them out food and housing as a survival mechanism
[06:08] <maryen> Linux_Galore: not true, one of my cats grew really attached to another animal (dog) i took in for a couple of weeks, and when i gave him up, she started starving herself
[06:08] <maryen> Linux_Galore: i had to force feed her for a week and a half before she would eat normally again
[06:08] <Linux_Galore> maryen: so you then spend more time and money mangeing the animal, your such a sucker
[06:09] <rcarr> I think both of you are making the assumption
[06:09] <rcarr> that a cat is capable of thought
[06:09] <mrvw0169> cat's aren't capable of thought?
[06:09] <VooXo[a] > can i compile modem drivers for 2.6.12, but on 2.6.15?
[06:09] <mrvw0169> *cats
[06:09] <maryen> Linux_Galore: i care about said animal and have done so since i found her as a kitten
[06:10] <Linux_Galore> maryen: your relationship with a parsitic mamal I find very boring
[06:10] <Linux_Galore> parasitic *
[06:10] <rcarr> This is way off topic now
[06:10] <VooXo[a] > rcarr can i compile modem drivers for 2.6.12, but on 2.6.15?
[06:10] <DaSkreech> Yes it is
[06:10] <Linux_Galore> I agree move on
[06:10] <maryen> Linux_Galore: strange, i could've sworn parasites don't refuse to eat, kinda results in em dieing
[06:10] <rcarr> Maryen: sudo cat /dev/food > /dev/cat
[06:11] <rcarr> Linux_Galore: sudo rm /dev/cat
[06:11] <rcarr> Problems solved
[06:11] <rcarr> VooXo[a] : Quite possibly
[06:11] <maryen> can't move, have one snuggled into me and sleeping :)
[06:11] <DaSkreech> maryen: You can type /join #kubuntu-offtopic though
[06:11] <rcarr> maryen: sudo mv /dev/cat /mnt/floor
[06:12] <VooXo[a] > on site http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/packages/ltmodem/kernel-2.6/Ubuntu/ there are packages with *.deb extension - what are those? o_O
[06:12] <rcarr> VooXo[a] : The packages used by apt, you can install them with sudo dpkg -i
[06:12] <rcarr> VooXo[a] : They come from debian, which ubuntu is based off
[06:12] <VooXo[a] > they're for 2.6.12 - can i install them on 2.6.15?
[06:13] <rcarr> VooXo[a] : No, you need to get the source and compile them for 2.6.15
[06:14] <rcarr> VooXo[a] : Grab build-essential, and it should be a simple matter of make, make install
[06:14] <VooXo[a] > build-essential ?
[06:14] <rcarr> VooXo[a] : then sudo depmod -a, then modprobe the module name, you can add it to /etc/modules to modprobe at startup
[06:14] <rcarr> VooXo[a] : A package, i.e. sudo apt-get install build-essential
[06:15] <rcarr> VooXo[a] : It will grab gcc, the kernel headers (needed for compiling modules) etc
[06:15] <rcarr> VooXo[a] :  It is on the CD
[06:15] <VooXo[a] > i do that with the source or..?
[06:15] <VooXo[a] > ok, got it..
[06:16] <VooXo[a] > there are some sources for 2.6 with "alk" sign - what's "alk"
[06:16] <VooXo[a] > ?
[06:16] <VooXo[a] > there are alk 4,6,7,8
[06:17] <rcarr> VooXo[a] : Can you link me to what you mean?
[06:17] <VooXo[a] > http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/packages/ltmodem/kernel-2.6/   -what of those to download?
[06:19] <rcarr> not...sure, try 8? (pure guess)
[06:19] <VooXo[a] > what's the difference between those alks?
[06:19] <rcarr> VooXo[a] : Not sure
[06:20] <VooXo[a] > ok, when i download it and extract it - what to do next? i need right commands coz i need to restart my pc and to run kubuntu...
[06:20] <rcarr> there is probably an Install file you can read
[06:20] <rcarr> but
[06:20] <rcarr> in the directory
[06:20] <rcarr> with build-essential installed
[06:20] <rcarr> make
[06:20] <rcarr> then make install
[06:20] <rcarr> err
[06:21] <rcarr> sudo make install
[06:21] <rcarr> then sudo depmod -a
[06:21] <rcarr> then sudo modprobe modulename
[06:21] <rcarr> module name is probably ltmodem
[06:21] <VooXo[a] > k
[06:21] <VooXo[a] > so, there are probably binaries included?
[06:22] <rcarr> VooXo[a] : No
[06:22] <VooXo[a] > "build-essentials?
[06:22] <rcarr> VooXo[a] : I meant a text file, named install with instructions
[06:22] <VooXo[a] > ok, ok...
[06:22] <rcarr> VooXo[a] : you install that with sudo apt-get install build-essential
[06:22] <rcarr> VooXo[a] : It contains a compiler, and the kernel headers that you need to compile drivers
[06:22] <VooXo[a] > ok
[06:22] <rcarr> VooXo[a] : You will need the CD in and stuff to do that, as you don't have internet
[06:23] <VooXo[a] > ok... thanks alot... i'm gonna go and restart pc...
[06:23] <VooXo[a] > good night ;)
[06:23] <rcarr> good luck
[06:23] <codewritinfool> kubuntu is awesome
[06:24] <maryen> we should be able to update our repos without superuser
[06:24] <maryen> yes
[06:25] <TheUni> is there a tentative date for final release?
[06:25] <maryen> 26th
[06:25] <TheUni> oh wow
[06:26] <TheUni> trying so hard to hold off till then, heh
[06:26] <maryen> i would say its safe to upgrade now
[06:26] <maryen> 97% of the bugs should be out by RC
[06:26] <TheUni> only thing i'm worried about is vmware
[06:26] <maryen> especially if they plan to have only one RC
[06:26] <TheUni> it still work ok?
[06:26] <maryen> what about it?
[06:26] <rcarr> maryen: Why should you be able to update your repos without superuser :\
[06:27] <maryen> well how can apt-get update hurt you
[06:27] <maryen> in the least
[06:27] <rcarr> maryen: A malicious non super user could add some false dependency of a malicious package on his own repo to a valid package
[06:27] <christopher> gah, what are the standard opengl libraries called in adept? if I search opengl I don't get them and gl give 1000000 options
[06:27] <TheUni> maryen: because vmware isnt in the repos. i had to do a manual install. don't want to break vmware.
[06:27] <maryen> and then update your machine?
[06:28] <rcarr> well, when you updated it as super user, or installed said package or whatever
[06:28] <rcarr> it's not so much that apt-get update can hurt you, as that the reason it has to run as
[06:28] <maryen> TheUni: vmware-player is in the repos
[06:28] <TheUni> maryen: i use vmware server
[06:28] <TheUni> guess i dont have to though...
[06:28] <rcarr> a superuser is because it modifies files that having everyone able to edit would not be so great
[06:28] <rcarr> TheUni: Vmware server is fine for me in edgy and has bbeen for a month
[06:29] <rcarr> Gah, keyboard is being wierd
[06:29] <TheUni> does player do everything that server does as far as running 1 instance?
[06:29] <TheUni> really? rcarr: in the repos?
[06:29] <maryen> rcarr: wouldnt the same scenario be applicable with a person needing to sudo apt-get update?
[06:29] <rcarr> maryen: Yes, but you don't give non trusted users the ability to sudo?
[06:29] <maryen> they could still put a malicious dependency in and half the ubuntu community would upgrade it
[06:29] <rcarr> maryen: No that's not what I meant
[06:30] <rcarr> maryen: I meant in the local file on y our computer that stores dependencies and stuff
[06:30] <rcarr> maryen: When you isntall a package it checks that, not the server
[06:30] <maryen> and how would update hurt that file
[06:30] <rcarr> maryen: Update has to modify the file
[06:30] <maryen> it justs checks the server lists
[06:30] <rcarr> maryen: So if you let update ruun without root privelages, then the file has to be editable by a non root user
[06:31] <maryen> so, put it in a universal user level account
[06:31] <thompa> grub error 18 on sata at cold boot
[06:31] <maryen> such as update
[06:31] <thompa> i dont believe my hard drive is bad
[06:32] <thompa> these asus boards built for HP are useless
[06:32] <thompa> i can boot from usb though which is alright
[06:33] <maryen> i remember reading somewhere about troubles with early sata boards but i can't remember much about it
[06:33] <thompa> why arent there any bios options on Hps
[06:33] <thompa> maryen: probably me
[06:33] <DaSkreech> maryen: You want apt to keep the list for each user?
[06:34] <maryen> more like keep the list in a place where anyone with user priveledges can reach it
[06:34] <thompa> i physically broke one of the sata connecttors by accident
[06:34] <thompa> they suck, cant grip them
[06:35] <maryen> like an account named "update" that contains the updates list for all to see
[06:35] <thompa> and if you put in the second IDE drive you cant find the bios reset
[06:36] <thompa> it just does not boot into this sata drive with kubuntu if its been off a while which is weird
[06:36] <thompa> but if its off a few secs its ok
[06:37] <thompa> I just have to leave it on i guess
[06:37] <cellofellow> Kyral: now I see what you meen by screen being a geeks best friend
[06:37] <maryen> DaSkreech: why, is there something im missing that would put the user at great risk of exploits?
[06:37] <DaSkreech> maryen: I'm just not seeing the point
[06:38] <toad_> can someone help me with a little problem?
[06:38] <maryen> DaSkreech: well, it would be nicer to be able to see if your system has updates without having to enter a root password
[06:38] <DaSkreech> maryen: I think it already does that
[06:39] <DaSkreech> Lord knows I hardly update and adept_updater keeps telling me I have updates
[06:39] <thompa> kubuntu-64 RC wont boot live, unless I do acpi=off, but then keyboard not work unless I get USB
[06:39] <maryen> adept_updater doesn't search for updates all that often for me
[06:40] <maryen> i often find it won't find em till i do a apt-get update
[06:40] <maryen> but then again updates are more important to me since im running a developmental version
[06:40] <bob0> can you install any version of Photosop with wine?
[06:40] <toad_> Sometimes when i run a program the icon bounces then goes away. then if i run it again it works fine.
[06:41] <kkathman> i dont think so... check out frankscorner.org for wine details
[06:41] <rcarr> CS2 is reported to work bob0
[06:41] <cellofellow2> yippeee! screen is SWEET. UNIX kills DOS so hard. KDE kills windows too.
[06:41] <maryen> indeed
[06:41] <bob0> i have CS i tried to install and it froze
[06:41] <thompa> where is system disks gui thing?
[06:41] <maryen> try crossover office bob0
[06:42] <bob0> maryen: whats that
[06:42] <maryen> its a branch of wine that deals with making productivity applications for windows work in linux
[06:42] <thompa> cellofellow: you running the RC?
[06:42] <cellofellow2> does anybody know how to get Google's Picasa with Web Albums support for Linux? I can't find it anywhere.
[06:42] <maryen> its more likely to work than plain wine
[06:43] <maryen> but it costs moneys
[06:43] <cellofellow2> wine for normal stuff, cedaga for games, crossover office for the likes of MS office and photoshop
[06:43] <kkathman> cellofellow2:  I used that on suse, and got it from the picasa website
[06:43] <cellofellow2> kkathman: I got mine from the picasa website, but there's no web albums button.
[06:44] <kkathman> ohh, I have an older version I guess
[06:44] <toad_> Sometimes when i run a program the icon bounces then goes away. then if i run it again it works fine.  How can i fix it?
[06:44] <kkathman> cellofellow2  have you looked at flock??
[06:44] <cellofellow2> toad_: that happens to me too sometimes. grrrrr...
[06:45] <maryen> toad_: it means something went wrong with the program as it was loading
[06:45] <cellofellow2> kkathman: does it have Picasa web albums features?
[06:45] <maryen> toad_: to see what's going on, start the program from the cli
[06:45] <kkathman> toad_:  sometimes, it means that the program is still running from a previous execution, try doing a ctrl-esc and look for the program, and if its running, kill it.
[06:46] <toad_> ill give all those suggestions a shot. thanks everyone
[06:46] <cellofellow2> in my experience kdesu is the program that does that most
[06:46] <kkathman> cellofellow2 it was built into the version, but I hear its been enhanced recently
[06:46] <fignew> wow... I never knew about ctrl+esc :)
[06:46] <kkathman> :)
[06:46] <maryen> neither did i, but i did know about ksysguard
[06:46] <cellofellow2> kkathman: I've never looked into Flock
[06:47] <kkathman> flock.org I think...kinda interesting :)
[06:47] <maryen> either way, a quicker way into it is always appreciated
[06:47] <maryen> is flock more than a sparkly firefox now?
[06:47] <cellofellow2> kkathman: I mostly use Firefox, konqueror sometimes,
[06:47] <kkathman> yah ctrl-esc brings up the process table only of ksysguard
[06:48] <cellofellow2> whatya all think of iceweasel?
[06:48] <kkathman> cellofellow2 yah I typically use Opera for browsing, but must use Konq to view inline videos
[06:48] <maryen> its flock.com
[06:48] <kkathman> sorry... hehe
[06:48] <kkathman> forgot
[06:48] <cellofellow2> I think iceweasel is a bunch of crap myself
[06:49] <maryen> if iceweasel's development outstrips firefox's, plus is compatible with firefox extensions, color me excited for it
[06:49] <cellofellow2> maryen: if it gets much different than firefox, extensions wont match,
[06:50] <maryen> i think they can find a way to keep the extension system compatible
[06:50] <maryen> plus its kinda crappy what mozilla corp. is doing
[06:51] <cellofellow2> maybe GNU and Debian will convince them to change
[06:51] <thompa> i had to remove totem to get the radio stations to work
[06:51] <maryen> debian/ubuntu should be able to outfit old versions of firefox with the latest security patches even if mozilla doesnt release any.
[06:52] <thompa> or maybe its a real player problem, but bbc wont work otherwise
[06:53] <maryen> its not fair that users of (for example) hoary, should have to watch as their ubuntu install slowly becomes more and more insecure
[06:53] <cellofellow2> well, the name IceWeasel. Ice is the opposite of fire, and weasels kind of like to take shiny things
[06:53] <thompa> why dont they support linux
[06:53] <thompa> embedded player does not work unless you install real player
[06:53] <maryen> cellofellow2: my understanding is iceweasel was originally a joke, and for some reason the community just took to it
[06:54] <cellofellow2> maryen: hope that's the case
[06:54] <thompa> !compiz
[06:54] <maryen> thompa: why not mplayer with w32codecs installed
[06:54] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[06:54] <maryen> don't use compiz, it's already been whipped by beryl
[06:55] <thompa> maryen: unless they fixed something it wont work
[06:55] <thompa> the only way is to install real player, then remove totem
[06:55] <thompa> or otherway around
[06:56] <bob0> can someone tell me how to run an autoplay off a cd in wine?
[06:56] <maryen> if totem works, so should kaffiene
[06:57] <maryen> bob0: right-click the autoplay.exe and choose open with... and type wine?
[06:57] <bob0> dosnt run it
[06:57] <maryen> why not use kaffiene instead thompa
[06:57] <sheft> Hey, is it just me sourceforge doesnt work for?
[06:57] <thompa> maryen: real player embeded player warning
[06:58] <thompa> maryen: for example, http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/innewmusicwetrust/stevelamacq/
[06:58] <thompa> maryen: can you play that?
[06:58] <maryen> gimme a sec
[06:58] <thompa> in konqueror it wont work
[06:59] <maryen> !w32codecs
[06:59] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:59] <thompa> but try it anyway , see what it says, it only works in firefox and real player i think
[07:00] <thompa> ill try the codecs, but i  di dthat some months ago
[07:01] <maryen> why not use the wmp broadcast in this instance
[07:01] <maryen> ?
[07:04] <maryen> ok i can't get it to play in any situation
[07:05] <thompa> maryen: its a bbc embedded player
[07:06] <thompa> only works with real player i think, been that way for years
[07:06] <thompa> but they use linux too so i dont get it
[07:06] <maryen> thompa: the best ubuntu package solution it looks like you're gonna get is the helix-player plugin
[07:08] <maryen> helix-player is a project related to real player
[07:08] <thompa> its same program
[07:08] <thompa> they have 64 version coming up
[07:08] <maryen> i thought helix-player was supposed to be open source
[07:08] <thompa> it is I guess
[07:09] <thompa> helix was exactly same last i tried it
[07:10] <thompa> you have to uninstall totem if your in ubuntu, or it wont work
[07:10] <Xal> Is kernel 2.6.15 the latest precompiled kernel version for the current release of Kubuntu?
[07:11] <thompa> 2.6.17-10-generic on the RC
[07:12] <Xal> What is RC?
[07:12] <thompa> i think this is release candidate for kubuntu edgy
[07:12] <Xal> oh ok
[07:12] <thompa> i installed ubuntu first though
[07:12] <Xal> Would it be a bad idea to already upgrade to edgy?
[07:12] <kkathman> i did it today
[07:12] <sheft> Hey, is it just me sourceforge doesnt work for?? only downloadlink i have there is Kent, and it  doesnt answer =(
[07:13] <Xal> Does everything still work right?
[07:13] <thompa> Xal: dont know for sure
[07:13] <kkathman> Xal:  its in RC status
[07:13] <Xal> So it's near done
[07:13] <kkathman> so that means...well. mostly its done with a few bug fixes
[07:13] <Xal> I hope it's better than Microsoft's RC :p
[07:13] <thompa> i got issues with one my sata but its kernel related i think
[07:14] <Xal> I wonder if edgy currently solves the jmicron problem
[07:14] <thompa> what was the next best thing after compiz?
[07:14] <Xal> To upgrade, I just change dapper to edgy in my repos and do a full upgrade, correct?
[07:15] <rawrness> be very carefull xal......
[07:15] <thompa> Xal: are you running amd64?
[07:15] <maryen> thompa: even set up correctly, helixplayer claims it can't read the stream and i need to use real player
[07:15] <rawrness> i just screwd my whole system trying to update
[07:15] <kkathman> I had a little trouble with the upgrade, but with some help, Im up and running just fine with edgy
[07:15] <thompa> maryen: so now you know
[07:15] <Xal> thompa, no
[07:15] <thompa> maryen: its been the same for a year
[07:16] <Xal> I'll be running a conroe, but not with 64bit. There's not really a point to it at this time.
[07:16] <maryen> helixplayer is just the dog of the realplayer creators
[07:16] <thompa> maybe real player own BBC or something
[07:16] <thompa> who knows
[07:16] <Xal> When you said AMD64, were you referring to the x64-86 architecture?
[07:17] <thompa> Xal: are you running kubuntu-64
[07:17] <Linux_Galore> BBC is owned by the UK gov
[07:17] <Xal> rawrness, be careful of what?
[07:17] <Xal> thompa, no
[07:17] <Xal> Is there something I need to do prior to that?
[07:17] <thompa> Xal: back up your data is all
[07:17] <Linux_Galore> I download mp3's from the bbc all the time
[07:17] <rawrness> Xal:  that your repos are right :P
[07:17] <maryen> dear god, the only thing helix player can play is ogg files
[07:18] <Xal> rawrness, haha, that could suck
[07:18] <Xal> I'll triple check ^^
[07:18] <rawrness> Xal: I know
[07:18] <maryen> which every other media player on linux does, and does a better job of too
[07:18] <rawrness> From expernice
[07:18] <thompa> Xal: if your going to back up your data, but just reinstall
[07:18] <thompa> takes just as long
[07:18] <sheft> Hey,  how do I turn of this beep sound when i press tab in the konsole?
[07:18] <Xal> I'm not going to backup anything. I have a seperate partition for data
[07:18] <Xal> It makes things easier for me.
[07:19] <Xal> Oh yeah, do I run dist-upgrade or just upgrade?
[07:19] <maryen> dist-upgrade
[07:19] <thompa> Xal: i do that and turn it off in bios even
[07:19] <rawrness> Tryed to update , screwd system ,  tryed  ubuntu alternet install no  gui, dug around found kubuntu dapper alt. cd
[07:19] <maryen> and welcome to edgy Xal
[07:19] <thompa> that way i dont get the sata messed up
[07:20] <rawrness> Is not the offical release date for the edgy the 26?
[07:20] <unix_infidel> !edgy
[07:20] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[07:20] <maryen> iti is
[07:20] <unix_infidel> !schedule
[07:20] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[07:21] <unix_infidel> sounds about righto
[07:21] <rawrness> Perhaps the cd will work better then
[07:21] <thompa> the 64 bit version wont boot
[07:21] <thompa> ive tried for about 4 hours
[07:22] <thompa> maybe they were bad cds , dont know
[07:22] <greenman> bad cds, sure!!!!
[07:22] <rawrness> thompa:  you try installing with cds?
[07:22] <Xal> maryen, ^^
[07:23] <rawrness> i didn't get the alt x86 one work right either
[07:24] <thompa> rawrness: the rc works fine here
[07:24] <rawrness> thompa:  ahhh
[07:24] <rawrness> i had no fun though no gui :P
[07:25] <thompa> i mean i386 , had no problems, but im on amd64 duo core, and want to run amd64.iso
[07:25] <rawrness> just rawrness login:
[07:25] <greg_> Could someone help with ndiswrapper problems?
[07:25] <rawrness> perhaps il ask in edgy
[07:25] <thompa> rawrness: maybe i dont notice mutch difference in amd64, but want to know its working
[07:26] <thompa> rawrness: what was the error?
[07:26] <rawrness> of course people like things to work
[07:26] <thompa> did you try acpi=off
[07:26] <rawrness> thompa:  just left me at a screen
[07:26] <Fleebailey33> can someone help me with mac-on-linux?
[07:26] <rawrness> acpi?
[07:26] <rawrness> !acpi
[07:26] <Xal> To run 64bit, is there more to it than a kernel change?
[07:26] <ubotu> acpi: displays information on ACPI devices. In component main, is optional. Version 0.09-1 (dapper), package size 10 kB, installed size 72 kB (Only available for i386 ia64 amd64)
[07:27] <thompa> rawrness: you were asking about that earlier
[07:27] <thompa> or was that someone else
[07:27] <rawrness> pehaps some one else
[07:27] <thompa> donload the ubuntu rc and reburn it
[07:28] <thompa> rawrness: i had to format my hard drive and reboot
[07:28] <kkathman> anyone use the nvidia-glx in edgy right now?
[07:28] <thompa> then run gparted
[07:28] <rawrness> Fun
[07:29] <rawrness> thank goodness for data partions
[07:29] <thompa> also i had to disable sata controllers in bios
[07:30] <rawrness> :P
[07:30] <thompa> if i disable sata grub wont go there
[07:32] <thompa> rawrness: im thinking the older kubuntu-64 might work
[07:33] <thompa> im pretty sire all the kernels all f'ed from 2.6.16 on up
[07:34] <thompa> somethings also worn with duo core and acpi
[07:34] <thompa> *wrong, but then it could be crap HP bios made for windows only
[07:34] <rawrness> Fun
[07:35] <thompa> soon there will be no bios options
[07:35] <rawrness> That would suck..
[07:35] <thompa> and you will only get windos or macintoss
[07:36] <rawrness> I have never played with Os   X.....
[07:37] <thompa> basically you have to replace motherboard in the HP amd64s
[07:37] <rawrness> Or throw breaks at the office.
[07:37] <rawrness> bricks*
[07:37] <thompa> i hate mac
[07:37] <xsacha> thowmpa: just go back befor e2.6.16 :)
[07:38] <thompa> id rather use windows 98
[07:38] <rawrness> Gag stupid amarok
[07:38] <rawrness> i thinks it tweaking cause i got my music in fat32....
[07:38] <xsacha> yeah i tried out mac start of this year.. tiger.. a whole 4 gigs but nothing interested me
[07:38] <thompa> kubuntu is best so far
[07:39] <thompa> even of all the kde distros
[07:39] <xsacha> i'm liking CRUX :) so far my favourite
[07:40] <thompa> rawrness: are you running compiz?
[07:40] <rawrness> nope
[07:40] <rawrness> looks shiny though. this is a fresh install.
[07:40] <rawrness> not even a hour old
[07:40] <xsacha> ew freespire, lol
[07:41] <rawrness> freespire is horid......
[07:41] <xsacha> do you still have to pay for that OS?
[07:41] <larson9999> can someone tell me exactly how to do this: "NOTE: Remove ov511 driver's modules before installing ov51x!"
[07:41] <rawrness> Didn't even give me sound. I was like WTF
[07:41] <rawrness> linspire is payed freespire is free.
[07:41] <xsacha> rmmod ov511 larson9999  unless i misunderstood
[07:42] <rawrness> and is horrid.
[07:42] <xsacha> oh yeah linespire is horrid as well though
[07:42] <rawrness> peple were like get a new sound card.
[07:42] <xsacha> LOL @ get a new sound card
[07:42] <rawrness> i was like screw that
[07:42] <larson9999> xsacha, that's what i thought but i didn't know if it meant uninstall it totally
[07:42] <MistaED> the freespire default icons are pretty though, but are easy to obtain from kde-look.org for any other distro
[07:43] <thompa> also linspire is actually on boxes for sale
[07:43] <xsacha> just make sure when you install it, it overwrites the old driver
[07:43] <thompa> microcenters got them
[07:43] <xsacha> it should do that -- does it for me
[07:43] <MistaED> i seriously didn't mind it for newbies, except when i saw the easy to use CNR needed payment, that was a huge letdown more than anything
[07:43] <thompa> they had one linux box for like $299
[07:44] <rawrness> I payed that for my emacine :P
[07:44] <xsacha> they havent patented CNR have they? lol
[07:44] <thompa> it looked pretty good anyway
[07:44] <MistaED> thompa: in order to get _free_ software you needed to pay for the CNR service
[07:44] <larson9999> xsacha, i don't know what's the deal.  ov51x shows in lsmod and my cam shows in usbview but nothing can recieve video from my cam
[07:44] <kkathman> anyone know what the default kernel version is fo edgy?
[07:44] <rawrness> I liked the computers at this school i went  to today
[07:44] <thompa> 2.6.17-10-generic
[07:45] <MistaED> although you could get commercial stuff off CNR too, the "free software requires ongoing payment" idea is just silly
[07:45] <kkathman> thanx
[07:45] <rawrness> they had nice little locks on the front for the cd/expansion bay
[07:45] <xsacha> larson9999: don't know either.. is it showing the right cam in usbview? exact same model?
[07:46] <thompa> rawrness: wheres that
[07:46] <kkathman> thompa: in the grub... that should point to vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-386
[07:46] <larson9999> yep
[07:46] <motorhead> wow
[07:47] <larson9999> MistaED, i heard they opened that cnr for freespire a few months ago
[07:47] <thompa> rawrness: whre was the school
[07:47] <MistaED> larson9999: really? hmm
[07:47] <larson9999> MistaED, i read a blurb about it.
[07:48] <rawrness> thompa: over in Mt.Vernon Wa.
[07:48] <rawrness> thompa: I was some temped to do something like glue a kubuntu cd inside it.
[07:48] <thompa> rawrness: oh, im setting up high school computer lab, only 4 computers though
[07:48] <rawrness> thompa:  You don't trust me with superglue........
[07:49] <larson9999> i don't think i've met a computer a didn't like
[07:49] <unix_infidel> larson9999: try the apple newton :)
[07:49] <rawrness> yes the old macs
[07:49] <MistaED> hmm freespire is now on my "distros to try" list :P
[07:49] <rawrness> they  are evil.......
[07:50] <unix_infidel> MistaED: people with a "distro's to try list" usually dont have a "distro's i get something productive done with" list :)
[07:50] <thompa> rawrness: are those the ones in schools there?
[07:50] <xsacha> i have.. this old pentium 1. i tried to take out the NIC from inside the computer and woah... there was 3 layers of metals as the case. welded at each point. i had to use a crowbar to get it open just to take the NIC!!!
[07:51] <rawrness> thompa: Nope these were shiney pentium 4s
[07:51] <xsacha> it was built to survive a nuclear blast or something
[07:51] <MistaED> unix_infidel: haha don't worry, my distro of choice is still ubuntu which i do do productive work on ;)
[07:51] <rawrness> PRobly was.
[07:51] <unix_infidel> xsacha: yea, cases were super quality back then.
[07:51] <xsacha> my amiga didnt even have a case :P
[07:52] <larson9999> unix_infidel, what was so wrong with the newton?  it was just a little ahead of it's time
[07:52] <unix_infidel> lian li still doesnt make cases like the 90's
[07:52] <unix_infidel> but then again, computers back in the early 90's were close to 3 thousand for a decent model.
[07:53] <larson9999> i lugged an ps/2 case up from the basement this morning and thought i was going to get a hernia
[07:53] <kkathman> brb
[07:53] <unix_infidel> larson9999: i dont dwell in the past of computing.
[07:53] <unix_infidel> there's really nothing to learn from it, only admire it as what was...
[07:54] <larson9999> unix_infidel, yeah, i spent 3 grand every 3 years all the way up until 2000 for a new computer.  just bought my first new one since then and it was $380 :)
[07:54] <xsacha> i paid $500 for each of my computers and still do :S next one due next year
[07:54] <xsacha> (not including monitor)
[07:54] <unix_infidel> larson9999: sound about right, p3 was some yummy home brewed goodness if you built yourself a p3 system to last.
[07:54] <larson9999> i paid more than $500 for my c64 with drive, etc
[07:55] <unix_infidel> eg, 1.0ghz 512-1gb, 40-60GB HD
[07:55] <xsacha> my commodore was 2nd hand though lol
[07:55] <rawrness> i think its hilrious  how off-topic everyone is.
[07:55] <larson9999> rawrness, i can't stand OT nazis
[07:55] <unix_infidel> rawrness: its not uncommon.
[07:55] <xsacha> so what do you all think about drizzle?
[07:56] <rawrness> btw i am not a nazi i spam all the time.
[07:56] <larson9999> rawrness, didn't say you were :)
[07:56] <xsacha> but you spam on topic
[07:56] <rawrness> the would be the equivlent of not spaming off-topic .....
[07:57] <rawrness> thts horiable.
[07:57] <thompa> gotta go take care
[07:58] <rawrness> what was the code for codecs again !w32codecs?
[07:58] <larson9999> starting to tick me off i can't get this webcam installed
[07:59] <rawrness> !32codecs
[07:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 32codecs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:59] <rawrness> nope
[07:59] <rawrness> something like that though.
[07:59] <abattoir> !codecs
[07:59] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:59] <rawrness> that works
[08:02] <rawrness> XD i don't see my mp3 player playing ogg files anytime soon:P
[08:02] <rawrness> I don't play much at all anyways codecs it is :P
[08:02] <rawrness> it*
[08:03] <dek> how do I delete Console history?
[08:05] <kkathman> anyone know the command to create the xorg.conf.mdsum file ??
[08:05] <kkathman> sorry md5sum
[08:40] <chimaera> hi. i'm running kubuntu edgy on my powerbook (ppc, post feb05) and have serious problems with my touchpad. appletouch-driver is beeing used and configured according to innformation ound on the intterwebs, still, it's very choppy, pauses, jumps.. short: it behaves very erratic. any ideas on this?
[08:40] <chimaera> mhh, sry about the typos.
[08:42] <NightBird> usb mouse?
[08:43] <NightBird> rawrness, watch out for the sharp corners
[08:44] <chimaera> NightBird: what kind of suggestion is that? and how does that helt getting the touchpad to work ^^
[08:44] <rawrness> night night
[08:44] <chimaera> s/helt/help
[08:44] <NightBird> chimaera, I am rarely helpful
[08:45] <chimaera> i supose so.
[08:48] <Rakzor> Anyone know how to change the size of the desktop icons on Kubuntu?
[09:01] <max0> does anyone know the channel for wine help?
[09:01] <greg_> What's a good (known to "Just Work") out-of-the-box wireless network card to recommend to someone switching from winxp to Ubuntu?
[09:02] <mac_> i'm trying to install the new version of the ov511 driver.  it compiled ok and seems like part of it worked since "drivers/usb/media/ov511/ov511.c: Compression required with OV518...enabling" is only enabled in the new driver.  but later dmesg says "drivers/usb/media/ov511/ov511.c: v1.64 for Linux 2.5 : ov511 USB Camera Driver" which is the old version.  how do i get rid of the old version?
[09:06] <DHGE> max0: #winehq
[09:06] <Hobbsee> greg_: anything with an atheros chipset
[09:08] <greg_> Okay, thank you.  I had heard ralink and tat's what I use but this is for my little brother and I wanna be sure it works for him!  :)
[09:08] <DHGE> greg_: http://www.google.com/search?q=wireless+card+for+linux
[09:12] <DaSkreech> rawrness: What don't you like about freespire?
[09:13] <rawrness> THE BASTARDS WANTING ME TO GET A NEW SOUND CARD!
[09:13] <rawrness> thats what.
[09:13] <arejaytee> wheres the wine folder located?
[09:13] <max0> can anyone help with wine problems in here?
[09:13] <abattoir> !language
[09:13] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[09:13] <rawrness> bastard is a bad word......
[09:13] <abattoir> max0: what's the problem?
[09:14] <abattoir> max0: and i think someone suggest #winehq
[09:14] <rawrness> i thought it meant a fatherless chield
[09:14] <max0> abattoir: no responce in there
[09:14] <max0> abattoir: im trying to install Photoshop CS2 on Kubuntu with Wine and i get this error http://pastebin.ca/214808
[09:14] <rawrness> thus making a very screwed up kid with no fatherly guidence
[09:14] <arejaytee> well better questions where are applications folder stored under kubuntu?
[09:14] <abattoir> max0: i don't think CS2 is supported
[09:15] <max0> it is
[09:15] <abattoir> arejaytee: mmm.. applications folder? the program sturcture in linux is different from that in windows
[09:15] <abattoir> arejaytee: binary prog. launchers are generally located in /usr/bin and /usr/sbin
[09:15] <arejaytee> yeah so there isnt a central location
[09:16] <arejaytee> thats what i was after
[09:16] <abattoir> arejaytee: while libraries they use might be in /usr and /usr/share/applications is where other files might be located
[09:16] <abattoir> and depending on the application, there are other locations where files are put too, including configuration files
[09:17] <abattoir> max0: hmm, are you sure? you read it somewhere?
[09:17] <DaSkreech> wine is proabaly located in ~/.wine
[09:17] <max0> >> oops, its not
[09:17] <max0> sorry
[09:20] <abattoir> *while libraries they use might be in /usr/lib
[09:22] <greg_> directory structure and file locatons I think is the hardest thing of all for new linux users to grasp
[09:22] <mac_> i'm getting closer.  got the driver installed and the apps say they're reading the right camera.  the only thing is they show solid black.  and dmesg now gives this: v2.32 : ov511 USB Camera Driver (V4L2 disabled).
[09:22] <arejaytee> yeah i would agree with that
[09:23] <arejaytee> well until i find out where things are then its quite easy lol
[09:23] <mac_> cs2?  i don't think that works
[09:27] <Rakzor> Anyone know how to increase the resolution in Kubuntu?
[09:27] <Rakzor> Or to just make everything smaller?
[09:28] <Zaire> anyone in here know how to get apache and vsftpd to work with ssl for secure connections?
[09:29] <arejaytee> can i run konqueror with sudo so i can view .** folders ?>
[09:30] <arejaytee> nevermind found the option in konqueror
[09:30] <arejaytee> soz
[09:31] <mac_> it still puzzles me why linux folks don't use gimp instead... are there THAT many professional graphics artists that i meet 10 a day in irc?  reminds me back in the day when every 'girl' i talked to on the net was a part time lawyer/model
[09:32] <greg_> photoshop isn't all pro graphic artists....it's a lot of myspace users too lol
[09:32] <mac_> or just use a system that photoshop supports
[09:32] <Rakzor> I used Gimp to do myspace pics.
[09:33] <mac_> greg_, yeah, but when i ask them why they just don't use gimp everyone of them tells me they can't because they're professional
[09:34] <rawrness> i like photoshop
[09:34] <rawrness> its easy and shiney
[09:34] <Fleebailey33> anyone know about mac-on-linux
[09:34] <Fleebailey33> i need help with that
[09:34] <rawrness> I use it for my animated .gifs
[09:36] <Zaire> I use ulead for animated gifs and photoimpact for my other images I find it way easier then photoshop and that it has more options to
[09:36] <olala> this is a car
[09:38] <Zaire> anyone in here know how to get apache and vsftpd to work with ssl for secure connections?
[09:38] <dude> hello guys
[09:38] <sorush20> I can not save to my home folder... I don't know what had happend guys
[09:39] <sorush20> its been mounted as read only for some reason..
[09:40] <sorush20> if it is mounted as read only then why are all my application settings loaded? and why can't I browse as readonly ?
[09:40] <sorush20> Could not start process Unable to create io-slave: Read-only file system.
[09:41] <Zaire> cause by the sounds of it its more then being just mounted as read only so much as permissions altered so that you no longer have access to it
[09:42] <sorush20> Zaire: I dont' remember altering any permissions , the computer compeletly froze and crashed..
[09:42] <Zaire> dunno
[09:42] <Zaire> Ive never heard of something like that just bad permissions..which Ive altered my permissions accidently a few times
[09:43] <sorush20> Well recently things have been happening to my computer which are unheard of like the cpu fan bracket breaking..
[09:43] <sorush20> I can view my home folder to in terminal or command prompt..
[09:44] <Zaire> sounds wierd and doesn't seem like anyones really on to help
[09:44] <sorush20> TheGateKeeper: hi
[09:44] <TheGateKeeper> morning sorush20
[09:45] <sorush20> Morning ..
[09:45] <sorush20> howmuch do you pay for you broadband since I noticed you have blueyonder?
[09:46] <TheGateKeeper> 17.99 / month why do you ask?
[09:47] <Zaire> mines 21 a month right now with the deal I got but normally 45 a month
[09:48] <Zaire> but then mines 1 under a business level
[09:50] <gillesMM> hello
[09:50] <sorush20> TheGateKeeper: they have changed mine to 25 a month... cause I closed all other services.. like tv and phone..
[09:51] <sorush20> but I have looked on their site and it seems like the new prices are set to that level anyways..
[09:51] <sorush20> gillesMM: hello
[09:54] <TheGateKeeper> sorush20: comes as no surprise one of their bizzare policies
[09:54] <gillesMM> I try 6.10 RC and I don't get connection at boot ... I need to lauch wlassistant and after dhcient .... even if /etc/netwotk/interface seems  fine
[09:56] <arejaytee> anyone got newsgroup access here?
[09:58] <TheGateKeeper> arejaytee: yes
[10:00] <sorush20> arejaytee: did you manage to upgrade to kubuntu 3.5.5
[10:01] <arejaytee> nah havent been bothered to do it yet lol
[10:02] <arejaytee> TheGateKeeper: nvrmind its naughty files lol
[10:02] <arejaytee> ive just bought a Eten G500 and finding apps and so forth for it :)
[10:10] <pierreth> hello
[10:10] <oliver> hi
[10:10] <gillesMM> hi
[10:10] <pierreth> a va?
[10:11] <gillesMM> oui
[10:11] <gillesMM> but we are on english kubuntu here :)
[10:11] <oliver> bien, but i dont speak french
[10:11] <pierreth> I know.
[10:11] <gillesMM> I have problem with Wifi here
[10:11] <pierreth> What's your time?
[10:11] <gillesMM> since I upgraded
[10:11] <greg_> Je peux assez bien parler francais ;)
[10:12] <gillesMM> 10;00 ap
[10:12] <gillesMM> am
[10:12] <pierreth> cool
[10:12] <gillesMM> nice greg_
[10:12] <pierreth> 4:12
[10:12] <gillesMM> where are you from pierreth ?
[10:12] <pierreth> quebec
[10:13] <pierreth> and your from France?
[10:13] <gillesMM> something has changed in init .. the kubuntu try to lauch the connexion with a other mechanism ?
[10:13] <gillesMM> yes from Paris
[10:13] <oliver> i have a question (syncing two homes, one local, one on the lan), can so help ?
[10:14] <pierreth> i am working with gilles
[10:14] <pierreth> what is the hardware?
[10:14] <gillesMM> I am on hp pavillon DV 8000
[10:14] <gillesMM> a nice laptop
[10:14] <pierreth> is it the first time with it?
[10:15] <pierreth> i mean the wifi
[10:15] <gillesMM> no before I didn't have problem
[10:15] <pierreth> what did you installed?
[10:15] <gillesMM> but after an upgrade I lost connexion either with wifi and with ethernet
[10:16] <pierreth> can you down grade?
[10:16] <gillesMM> I choose to reinstall the last 6.10 RC
[10:16] <gillesMM> pierreth: I can use it now
[10:16] <pierreth> this is RC
[10:17] <pierreth> You should report the problem
[10:17] <obf213> how do i figure out wht version of firefox i have
[10:17] <Fleebailey33> about
[10:17] <gillesMM> but I need to lauch wlassistant to see the wifi on and dhclient to have the connexion
[10:17] <pierreth> report this on the dev mailling list of ubuntu
[10:19] <gillesMM> I am not in the list
[10:19] <TheGateKeeper> obf213: Help --> About
[10:20] <obf213> ah ok
[10:20] <obf213> when is firefox 2 coming out
[10:20] <rawrness> in  2 days
[10:20] <rawrness> its due for release the 24 i belive
[10:21] <rawrness> while edgy is the 26 and will include it
[10:21] <pc22> any good CRM?
[10:22] <SteelT> hello!
[10:22] <SteelT> i got a question concerning KPF
[10:22] <Lynoure> pc22: depends on how you define good. There are plenty available, with different sets of features
[10:22] <SteelT> "folder - folder options" "sharing"
[10:24] <sorush20> can anyone here help me please?
[10:25] <SteelT> could anyone help me please? i want to share with kde s new kpf tool
[10:25] <sorush20>  An error occurred while loading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam:Could not start process Unable to create io-slave: Read-only file system. this is the error I keep getting any ideas.. I think I have recently upgraded to
[10:25] <sorush20> !kpf
[10:25] <ubotu> kpf: public fileserver for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu6.2 (dapper), package size 188 kB, installed size 624 kB
[10:25] <SteelT> its located in every folfer, if u perform a rightclick and openn the attributes.dialogue
[10:25] <SteelT> thx ubotu
[10:25] <SteelT> thatsit
[10:26] <sorush20> you can upload what to it?
[10:26] <SteelT> i got the problem i want to use and test it
[10:26] <SteelT> an im ehind a router
[10:27] <SteelT> cahnge settings to use kpf?
[10:27] <SteelT> necessary?
[10:27] <SteelT> or how could anybody find my shared object?
[10:27] <sorush20> maybe you could change settings in the router..
[10:28] <SteelT> sorush20:
[10:28] <SteelT> sorush20: i selected a folder, and the applet said there was problem with zeroconf, but nevertheless server has been started
[10:28] <sorush20> well is you are sharing it as a samba share or nfs the will find it
[10:28] <SteelT> how can anyone now find my shared object?
[10:29] <sorush20> I don't think i ever needed to use zero config..
[10:29] <SteelT> i dont know what it is exactly
[10:29] <SteelT> look
[10:30] <SteelT> theres is the option "guard port" 8001
[10:30] <SteelT> change the port in it?
[10:30] <SteelT> now its shared
[10:30] <SteelT> how can U download it?
[10:30] <SteelT> have i to look up my IP on myip.com or sth like that?
[10:31] <sorush20> SteelT: it think it would be best to ask #networking..
[10:32] <sorush20> SteelT: sorry couldn't help
[10:32] <SteelT> oki
[10:32] <dude> why is it xandros linux is not free?
[10:33] <sorush20> dude: I dont' know . there is a free version out there but it  is not acitve..
[10:33] <sorush20> dude: I think you have to pay for it..
[10:33] <sorush20> not as active as ubuntu
[10:34] <dude> sorush20: k tnx
[10:35] <sorush20> dude: I tried it and didn't like it since it does not have an upto date set of package
[10:35] <sorush20> dude: aske the rest in #xandros
[10:40] <dude> sorush20: so you have to buy the application, but looks cool
[10:40] <dude> sorush20: so you have to buy the application, but it looks cool
[10:40] <sorush20> dude: its not cool.. it uses all the application that ubuntu users use...
[10:41] <dude> sorush20: ha?
[10:42] <sorush20> dude: and a customized wine....
[10:42] <rawrness> didn't xandros want people to pay to download isos?
[10:42] <sorush20> dude: don't pay for anything .. ask here first..
[10:42] <dude> sorush20: ohh
[10:42] <sorush20> rawrness: yes.. they did but there is a free iso out there..
[10:42] <dude> ok, actually, im plaaning to get one
[10:43] <rawrness> i rember some one ranting about why they don't use it.
[10:43] <sorush20> dude: what is in xanderos that you need so bad..
[10:43] <dude> sorush20: in general, what can you say about xandros
[10:43] <TheGateKeeper> hiya MilhousePunkRock
[10:43] <sorush20> dude: you can tell alot about a linux distro by looking at howmany users there are in there chat channels..
[10:43] <MilhousePunkRock> Hey TheGateKeeper
[10:44] <dude> sorush20: ya, i noticed that
[10:44] <MilhousePunkRock> sorush20: That's a false assumption... Popularity says little about quality
[10:44] <sorush20> if empty then not poplular and support less if full the popular and more support not to metion much more ethical in its operation..
[10:44] <sorush20> MilhousePunkRock: are you refereing to windows.. a
[10:45] <MilhousePunkRock> Hehe, that would be the prime example...
[10:45] <rawrness> i find it  not populatrity
[10:45] <rawrness> but people being forced to use   it.
[10:46] <MilhousePunkRock> Everyone has the choice to switch, most are too lazy
[10:47] <sorush20> MilhousePunkRock: not too lazy howmany computer shops have you seen seeling linux and howmany linux computer run windows games.?
[10:48] <sorush20> without wine hassel..
[10:48] <TheGateKeeper> MilhousePunkRock: in order to switch to linux you would have to know about, it's surprising just how many people have never even heard of linux
[10:49] <MilhousePunkRock> If your new computer comes with Windows, it's laziness if you keep it... It's kinda a forced standard...
[10:49] <sorush20> dude: the conclusion is don't by linux oss
[10:50] <sorush20> lindows is not even good either..
[10:50] <TheGateKeeper> not if you don't know there is an alternative...
[10:50] <sorush20> I was hoping to setup a linux society at uni.
[10:51] <TheGateKeeper> the forced standard comes in that computer shops etc do not offer an alternative, that's where the fault lies!!
[10:51] <MilhousePunkRock> sorush20: At every Uni here there already is one... Take the IT geeks, they _know_ about Linux...
[10:51] <dude> sorush20: ok, ill take your word, tnx
[10:51] <sorush20> Seveas: could you help me please.. I keep getting this error..  An error occurred while loading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam:Could not start process Unable to create io-slave: Read-only file system.
[10:52] <MilhousePunkRock> TheGateKeeper: Shops don't sell it because Linux is free (with some exceptions)
[10:52] <sorush20> MilhousePunkRock: there is a website selling ubuntu ready computers.
[10:52] <Seveas> sorush20, loads fine for me
[10:53] <TheGateKeeper> MilhousePunkRock: not true again, it's because of commercial deals
[10:53] <MilhousePunkRock> sorush20: Yeah, about 20 websites worldwide vs a million stores selling Winblows PCs
[10:53] <MilhousePunkRock> TheGateKeeper: Same with Intel and some electronic stores here, they give them really good prices if they do not offer AMD chips
[10:54] <sorush20> MilhousePunkRock: maybe you would want to try to sell your own one day if you are in that field.
[10:54] <TheGateKeeper> MilhousePunkRock: exactly !!
[10:54] <MilhousePunkRock> sorush20: I am not in that field at all... I am not a big economy guy, I mean, I know how it works, but I don't like it...
[10:54] <sorush20> You could save  your customers lots of money on software..
[10:55] <TheGateKeeper> sorush20: you can buy laptops with ubuntu pre-installed
[10:55] <sorush20> MilhousePunkRock: don't think anyone here in this room likes it either..
[10:55] <TheGateKeeper> can't remember the web site
[10:55] <MilhousePunkRock> sorush20: I am not a communist though... ;-)
[10:56] <MetaMorfoziS> :))
[10:56] <sorush20> Seveas: could you change the topic so that people know where to by ubuntu ready computer... like a list of online stores... e.g. buy you ubuntu ready computers here www.listofsellers.ubuntu.com
[10:57] <MilhousePunkRock> sorush20: Everyone that comes here either has *untu already or is interested in it...
[10:57] <MilhousePunkRock> That's only a few steps from setting it up on any PC available...
[10:58] <TheGateKeeper> sorush20: that would be giving free advertising to other commercial companies so that is not likely to happen
[10:58] <sorush20> MilhousePunkRock: well that would mean they that statement in the topic is targeting the people interested in it...
[10:58] <zorglu_> about on topic ... :)
[10:58] <sorush20> TheGateKeeper: but they are selling ubuntu what is the big deal..
[10:58] <larson9999> my 5 year old spends about 30 min to an hour a day video chatting with our inlaws in thailand.  this is the only thing he uses windows for and i'm checking out alternatives.  since her family isn't the techiest around i'd like to not make them stop using what they're used to: msn.  but it doesn't have voice.  have any of you used amsn or kopete for video while using skype for audio?
[10:59] <zorglu_> there is a offtopic channel which is very welcoming of those discussion
[10:59] <TheGateKeeper> sorush20: *selling* that's the operative word!!
[10:59] <sorush20> TheGateKeeper: lets stop now..
[10:59] <sorush20> doens't kopete work larson9999
[11:00] <Brydenn33> whats the command to remove a program i dont want?
[11:00] <sorush20> Brydenn33: how was the program installed in the first place was it a .deb package
[11:00] <TheGateKeeper> Brydenn33:  apt-get remove <package> or you could use aptitude
[11:00] <Brydenn33> sorush20: i guess so. I added a repository
[11:01] <sorush20> sudo apt-get remove package.deb
[11:01] <Brydenn33> it's a broken install
[11:01] <Brydenn33> and i want it gone
[11:01] <Brydenn33> it's the ntfs-3g program
[11:01] <sorush20> well you could do sudo apt-get install -f
[11:01] <larson9999> sorush20, not for voice
[11:02] <Brydenn33> what does that do sorush20
[11:02] <sorush20> Brydenn33: it fixes the last run of the installation..
[11:02] <sorush20> Brydenn33: what error do you get when you type in the command?
[11:03] <TheGateKeeper> larson9999: I use skype on windows, & in the wiki there are instructions of how to set up skype
[11:03] <Brydenn33> sweet i think that did it sorush20
[11:03] <Brydenn33> said it removed it in the konsole
[11:04] <TheGateKeeper> larson9999: I also have teamspeak working on kubuntu (at least I think it's working)
[11:04] <ronnylibre> #php
[11:04] <sorush20> Brydenn33: well that should be fixed then..
[11:04] <Brydenn33> yes, thank you :)
[11:05] <sorush20> Brydenn33: np
[11:05] <sorush20> can anyone now help me with my problem?
[11:05] <larson9999> TheGateKeeper, i'm curious if you've used both kopete and skype at the same time.  one to transfer the video and the other for the audio.
[11:06] <Brydenn33> lol whats your problem sorush20
[11:06] <sorush20>  An error occurred while loading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam:Could not start process Unable to create io-slave: Read-only file system.
[11:06] <sorush20> what is the io-slave.. that is not working in my computer..
[11:07] <sorush20> I don't have internet so I can't check what is the problem...
[11:08] <sorush20> I only have the command line terminal to search the internet
[11:08] <TheGateKeeper> larson9999: nope I haven't done that, I don't have skype setup on linux yet, (only windows & use it mainly with a work collegue), the person I want to talk to has not yet bothered to install skype on their pc :-(
[11:09] <sorush20> there must be a really alternative to vid conferencing in linux.. Ithink gnome meeting was one..
[11:09] <sorush20> !gnomemeeting
[11:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gnomemeeting - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:10] <larson9999> TheGateKeeper, teamspeak  doesn't seem to be free.  is it?
[11:10] <TheGateKeeper> larson9999: well I didn't pay for it let me take another look...
 who here has experience with ntfs-3g?
[11:11] <Brydenn33> i'm having issues with it
[11:11] <larson9999> sorush20, yeah, gnomemeeting, now ekiga is an option but that would take FOREVER to setup with her parents.  have to change the firewall, etc.
[11:11] <MilhousePunkRock> larson9999: TS is free money-wise, both client and server, but not GNU-wise
[11:11] <larson9999> sorush20, it might be the option we have to take though
[11:12] <sorush20> what is ts?
[11:12] <maryen> teamspeak is freeeee
[11:13] <larson9999> oh, i just saw on their site they talk a lot about paying for it :)
[11:13] <TheGateKeeper> larson9999: just agree to their bullshit & download & install http://www.goteamspeak.com/index.php?page=downloads&id=2a
[11:14] <larson9999> i think i'll stick with skype if we have to go that route
[11:14] <MilhousePunkRock> larson9999: That's probably for professionally hosted servers...
[11:14] <maryen> you can set up your own server and its free
[11:14] <TheGateKeeper> larson9999: well there is a nice wiki howto
[11:15] <maryen> you have to pay for using their servers
[11:15] <TheGateKeeper> on skype that is
[11:15] <larson9999> yeah, to use their server.
[11:16] <maryen> skype can only host 4 way max on conference, so it might not be the best if your looking for a gaming solution
[11:16] <larson9999> ait? what a horrible nick
[11:16] <maryen> i think its a lovely name
[11:16] <larson9999> err ati
[11:16] <maryen> reminds me of my favorite vendor who refuses to open up the source for their drivers
[11:16] <larson9999> with the merger it might not be such a bad nick in time
[11:17] <larson9999> :)
[11:17] <maryen> open source is a bad thing you know
[11:17] <maryen> when you open up source code, all sorts of trouble happens
[11:17] <maryen> or so says the owner of the utorrent code
[11:18] <maryen> torrent
[11:18] <maryen> god i hate that client
[11:19] <maryen> the spirit of ubuntu left this server
[11:20] <maryen> why is this channel so dead!?! doesn't anyone need help at 4:20 in the morning ><
[11:21] <maryen> !uk
[11:21] <ubotu> Join us for a discussion using the Queen's English in #ubuntu-uk
[11:21] <maryen> omg...
[11:21] <maryen> here i come england
[11:21] <fdoving> what do you need?
[11:21] <maryen> im bored
[11:21] <maryen> break your computer so i can try to help you fix it
[11:22] <fdoving> go to #ubuntu if you need someone to help :)
[11:22] <maryen> ok
[11:22] <maryen> ; ;
[11:22] <maryen> damn gnome using hippies
[11:23] <fdoving> there are also forums. ubuntuforums.org kubuntuforums.net
[11:23] <hirlam> any one can tell me how to manage fast text search among many files
[11:23] <maryen> forums arent as fun
[11:23] <maryen> beagle is good
[11:23] <fdoving> hirlam: you can use 'grep' from the commandline.
[11:23] <maryen> :(
[11:23] <elix> #ubuntu-it
[11:23] <hirlam> how
[11:24] <Lynoure> maryen: There are probably many things in ubuntu itself you can try to help fixing... like kpilot syncing
[11:24] <gun_> #ubuntu-ru
[11:24] <maryen> im not a programmer
[11:24] <fdoving> hirlam: 'grep word file1 file2 file3'
[11:25] <Lynoure> maryen: hmm, might be so, but if you are bored, I have heard (and found) that learning programming helps :)
[11:25] <maryen> :?
[11:25] <fdoving> hirlam: 'man grep' from the commandline to get more information.
[11:25] <maryen> but working isn't as fun as complaining about being bored
[11:25] <hirlam> thanks
[11:26] <andhy> hi, i have small question about kwalletmanager - in my kubuntu (dapper, and now egdy) kwalletmanager don't start autimaticly, runing manually store all password but after system restart (or kde sesion logout) it loose all of them - do you have any sugestion why ?
[11:26] <Lynoure> maryen: hmmm, I have never understood that. But I guess different people like different things :)
[11:26] <fdoving> andhy: if you restart kwalletmanager it doesn't have your passwords stored?
[11:26] <maryen> Lynoure: actually, do you have a good fREE place to start for C++ programming?
[11:27] <andhy> fdoving: yes
[11:27] <hirlam> what is the different between grep , egrep rgrep
[11:27] <maryen> Lynoure: since it is the language kde's programmers use most
[11:27] <Lynoure> maryen: you mean tutorials and stuff? I'm not that much a C++ person, but I'll take a look
[11:27] <maryen> okie
[11:28] <maryen> Lynoure: what language do you use then Lynoure?
[11:28] <rehn> Hello! I tweaked /etc/default/acpi-support so that suspend using /etc/acpi/sleep.sh works on my edgy box. How do I configure the suspend procedure used by the suspend button in the logout dialog? (Part of Guidance power management?) Can I make it use /etc/acpi/sleep.sh or does it have its own configuration somewhere?
[11:28] <Lynoure> maryen: http://www.cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/ seems ok.
[11:29] <Lynoure> maryen: what I like most I do not use much... it's called Eiffel
[11:29] <maryen> never heard of it
[11:30] <Lynoure> maryen: It's a very pure object oriented language.
[11:30] <Lynoure> maryen: http://www.cprogramming.com/tutorial.html has also a quite ok looking tutorial
[11:31] <fdoving> andhy: ouch. if you don't have any important passwords stored. (i figure you don't since they are forgotten every now and then) you can try to remove the kwallet configs. You can do that easily from the commandline (kmenu -> system -> konsole) with this command: 'find ~/.kde/ -name 'kwallet*'|grep -v icons|xargs rm -rfi'
[11:33] <Brydenn33> fdoving: whats up buddy
[11:33] <TheGateKeeper> maryen: C tends to be procedural where as c++ can either be procedural or object orientated
[11:33] <fdoving> hi brydenn33.
[11:34] <maryen> gah
[11:34] <maryen> i just lost your guide
[11:34] <Brydenn33> hey fdoving, do you know much about ntfs-3g?
[11:34] <Brydenn33> cuz i need your help with it :)
[11:34] <maryen> my comp froze
[11:34] <fdoving> Brydenn33: no, i don't use ntfs for anything.
[11:34] <andhy> fdoving: files removed - whats next ?
[11:35] <fdoving> andhy: start or restart your kwalletmanager
[11:35] <Brydenn33> damn, well ntfs-3g is a read and WRITE app for ntfs partitions
[11:35] <Brydenn33> having problems with it working
[11:35] <andhy> fdoving: started - whats next ?
[11:36] <fdoving> andhy: save some passwords, quit kwalletmanager, and restart it, see if the passwords are present.
[11:36] <andhy> fdoving: ok - i'll test it
[11:36] <fdoving> Brydenn33: is that safe?
[11:36] <Brydenn33> well its in beta
[11:36] <Brydenn33> but lots of distro's are starting to use it
[11:37] <maryen> im switching back to the nv driver
[11:38] <maryen> im tired of the beta nvidia driver crashing my comp
[11:38] <maryen> as rediculous as that sounds
[11:38] <Lynoure> The newest version says it's fixed
[11:38] <maryen> newest version of what?
[11:38] <Lynoure> So no harm switching back
[11:38] <maryen> 9625?
[11:39] <Lynoure> the boc...
[11:39] <maryen> boc...??
[11:39] <Lynoure> The binary only driver, they have stuff about it on their forums
[11:39] <maryen> they havent changed it, they're lieing
[11:39] <Lynoure> You tested it?
[11:39] <maryen> i did a md5checksum on it
[11:40] <maryen> perfect match, and the one i had on my hard drive is at least a month old
[11:41] <andhy> fdoving: i'll do it and ... still nothing; kwalletmanager is empty
[11:41] <maryen> brb restarting xorg
[11:41] <fdoving> andhy: weird.
[11:42] <Lynoure> maryen: : 1.0-8776 is the one they claim they fixed, not 9625
[11:42] <andhy> fdoving: i know; i use kubuntu on four different machines; and only on one kwallet don't like to work :(
[11:43] <fdoving> andhy: what does 'ls -la ~/.kde/share/apps/kwallet' return? result -> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[11:43] <davidenik> goodmorning guys !
[11:44] <Brydenn33> ok fdoving i got an easy one for you to help me with hehe
[11:44] <Brydenn33> my windows partition isnt mounting right or something
[11:44] <andhy> fdoving: -rw-r--r--  1 amikula amikula   60 2006-10-22 11:36 testit.kwl
[11:44] <maryen> ok, that clenches it
[11:44] <maryen> im using nv from now on
[11:44] <fdoving> andhy: looks like your wallet is there.
[11:44] <andhy> fdoving: of course it is ... empty :)
[11:45] <xsacha> 1KB
[11:45] <Lynoure> maryen:: 1.0-8776 is the one they claim they fixed, not 9625, but of course I'm all for using open source drivers
[11:45] <Brydenn33> when i click on it it says: mntent: no final new like and the end of etc/mtab/ ... mount: only root can mount dev/hdb1 on /mnt/windows/
[11:45] <davidenik> hi Hawkwind
[11:45] <bloodcrawler> hello, what packages i need install t ouse openGL in games? ;)
[11:45] <maryen> Lynoure: ah, well i tested the 9625 one so
[11:46] <maryen> Lynoure: but nv is more stable, and is faster at drawing 2d in most cases than the proprietary driver
[11:46] <andhy> fdoving: if i run kwalletmanager from console i receive "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168"
[11:47] <maryen> Lynoure: not to mention, for some reason, the proprietary driver is actually slowing my system as a whole down '.o
[11:47] <Lynoure> maryen: see above about open source drivers :)
[11:47] <maryen> i know, i just like ranting
[11:48] <andhy> fdoving: but this is not to imprtant for proper working of kwallet
[11:48] <fdoving> andhy: That "Error" is just a warning, and it is normal, not related to this. I have no more ideas, report a bug about it. There might exit others with the same problem. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[11:48] <Brydenn33> fdoving: what about my error?
[11:49] <maryen> fdoving: why does that error always show up when you open a x program from the console
[11:49] <andhy> fdoving: ok
[11:49] <fdoving> Brydenn33: no final new line? are you sure it's mtab? not fstab?
[11:49] <Brydenn33> what i typed is everything in the box that popped up
[11:50] <Brydenn33> i can pastebin my fstab if you want
[11:50] <Brydenn33> and my mtab
[11:50] <maryen> why not use fuse bryden
[11:50] <Brydenn33> maryen: i have fuse installed
[11:50] <maryen> not that i know how that one works either
[11:50] <maryen> or better yet
[11:50] <fdoving> maryen: because xorg.conf is setup to support some tablet-pc input devices. when they are not available, you get that error.
[11:50] <matthias> hi can anyone tell me how the suse package "kdepim3-sync" is named under kubuntu?
[11:50] <maryen> use windows to move stuff
[11:51] <Brydenn33> screw windows hehe
[11:51] <maryen> windows has ex3/reiserfs support with certain programs
[11:51] <davidenik> guys,sorry,has someone a creative cam?I'm trying to install it but i have problems.
[11:51] <maryen> and its alot safer than using experimental programs that can destroy a ntfs partition
[11:51] <matthias> as long as i know windows hast only ext2 support with additional tools
[11:51] <fdoving> Brydenn33: just open kmenu -> run command 'kdesu kate /etc/fstab' and go to the end of the last line. Press enter. Save and exit. You can do the same for /etc/mtab if you still experience the problem.
[11:51] <maryen> nope, ext3
[11:52] <matthias> cool
[11:52] <fdoving> matthias: what does the package provide?
[11:52] <matthias> can you tell me the url of this programm?
[11:52] <maryen> ive transferred files to my windows from my reiser parts and ext3 parts
[11:52] <maryen> sure gimme a sec
[11:52] <matthias> i think sync support for kdepim3
[11:52] <matthias> i need it for synCE
[11:53] <bloodcrawler> ekhem... what i must instal with adept to use openGL? all glut's, glui, glx etc?
[11:53] <maryen> http://www.chrysocome.net/explore2fs
[11:53] <maryen> there you go matthias
[11:53] <matthias> thx
[11:54] <maryen> proprietary driver for your video card
[11:54] <fdoving> matthias: that could be any of the following: 'kitchensync ksync synce-kde' not sure what suse got in it's packages.
[11:54] <brainless> good morning everyone :)
[11:54] <maryen> hi sir brainless
[11:55] <maryen> im actually about to go to bed so i resent the fact you presume its morning for me
[11:55] <maryen> even though the sun is coming up through the windows
[11:55] <DarkWizzard> hello all
[11:55] <maryen> hi
[11:55] <DarkWizzard> after a recent kde upgrade I lost sound of my tv tuner
[11:55] <DarkWizzard> it works but its very low
[11:56] <brainless> I got kubuntu up and crawling yesterday ... well, I had the same issue when I tried gentoo so I suppose I know what I have to do to fix it =)
[11:56] <maryen> all the rest of the sound is fine?
[11:56] <DarkWizzard> yes
[11:56] <maryen> strange
[11:56] <DarkWizzard> I know
[11:56] <DarkWizzard> I mean you can hear som
[11:56] <DarkWizzard> e
[11:56] <DarkWizzard> but its really low
[11:56] <maryen> did the tv tuner program upgrade as well?
[11:56] <denis_> yo yo
[11:56] <DarkWizzard> no
[11:56] <DarkWizzard> it didn't
[11:56] <DarkWizzard> I use tvtime
[11:57] <DarkWizzard> tryed asking there
[11:57] <DarkWizzard> but everybody is idle
[11:57] <denis_> can some1 tell me the easyest way to install ati drivers on kubuntu
[11:57] <fdoving> !ati
[11:57] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:58] <maryen> denis_: chain yourself to their office's front doors and demand OSS drivers
[11:58] <brainless> maryen: actually it's something around noon here so it's not even morning for me...
[11:58] <brainless> have a nice sleep then :)
[11:59] <maryen> actually i lied, im staying up another 2 hours
[11:59] <denis_> damn you
[11:59] <denis_> :D
[12:00] <denis_> hm i need some games
[12:00] <denis_> :D
[12:00] <maryen> !scorched3d
[12:00] <denis_> ii dont know what to do during install
[12:00] <ubotu> scorched3d: 3D artillery game similar to Scorched Earth. In component universe, is optional. Version 39.1+cvs20050929-2ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 938 kB, installed size 2480 kB
[12:00] <denis_> i dont haved 3d
[12:00] <maryen> !frozenbubble
[12:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about frozenbubble - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:00] <fdoving> get frozen-bubble
[12:00] <maryen> !frozen-bubble
[12:00] <ubotu> frozen-bubble: Pop out the bubbles !. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.0.0-6ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 72 kB, installed size 356 kB
[12:01] <maryen> very fun
[12:01] <denis_> apt-get is wotking now
[12:01] <denis_> I cant install anything
[12:01] <Ace2016> Hi all
[12:01] <denis_> i must wait hm um 3 hours
[12:01] <Ace2016> is there a way to look up package info?
[12:01] <fdoving> or you can get 'ksirtet' if you like tetris
[12:01] <maryen> should've installed it before you started the ubuntu install
[12:01] <fdoving> Ace2016: apt:/ in konqueror
[12:01] <denis_> hehe
[12:01] <maryen> cancel it and install frozen-bubble
[12:02] <denis_> i am on half my way
[12:02] <Ace2016> wow thats so cool
[12:02] <denis_> :D
[12:02] <Ace2016> fdoving: Thanks
[12:02] <maryen> halfway and you have 3 hours?
[12:02] <maryen> geez
[12:02] <fdoving> Ace2016: you're welcome :)
[12:02] <denis_> yeah
[12:02] <hyper> abattoir?
[12:02] <denis_> i need a lot of programs
[12:03] <denis_> ill probably go playing guitar
[12:03] <denis_> .d
[12:03] <denis_> :D
[12:03] <denis_> need some black metal
[12:03] <denis_> :D
[12:03] <rawrness> -nigh night.......
[12:03] <maryen> nite rawr
[12:03] <maryen> ness
[12:03] <denis_> night
[12:04] <denis_> its morning here in slovenia
[12:04] <larson9999> crap! i stayed up all night again!
[12:04] <hyper> anyone can tell me where I can forward a port in kubuntu to my VmWare NAT machine?
[12:04] <maryen> me too
[12:04] <denis_> o almoust morning its 12.01
[12:04] <maryen> its 5 am here
[12:04] <maryen> whee
[12:04] <maryen> unhealthy sleep habits here i come
[12:04] <rawrness> tech its morning
[12:05] <rawrness> and i have thouse unhealthihy sleep habits
[12:06] <denis_> o here in slovenia is a nice day
[12:06] <denis_> :D
[12:06] <larson9999> at least i got my camera working
[12:06] <denis_> ful of sun
[12:06] <denis_> i loven being here
[12:08] <rawrness> nighty  nigh
[12:08] <fdoving> nite rawrness.
[12:09] <diabolo_nounours> Bonjour
[12:09] <pielgrzym> anybody could explain me why this fucking amarok stops in the middle of building a mysql collection? whitout ANY prompt :[[[[
[12:09] <diabolo_nounours> I'm french
[12:09] <diabolo_nounours> Where is the french room ?
[12:09] <fdoving> !language > pielgrzym
[12:09] <fdoving> !fr'
[12:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fr' - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:09] <fdoving> !fr
[12:09] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[12:09] <diabolo_nounours> thx ubotu
[12:10] <diabolo_nounours> thx fdoving
[12:10] <fdoving> your welcome :)
[12:10] <diabolo_nounours> =)
[12:10] <pielgrzym> fdoving: I'm too frustrated to watch my language ;(
[12:10] <prophit> good morning everyone...
[12:10] <prophit> having a problem installing a java runtime environment
[12:10] <denis_> good morning
[12:12] <dumr> question for op: /nick and /quit went down the bridge and /nick fell down. Who stays on bridge
[12:13] <fdoving> pielgrzym: i suggest asking in #amarok i don't know much about amarok myself.
[12:14] <pielgrzym> fdoving: nobody knew the answer on #amarok :( is there any other as functional as amarok, using qt mp3 player??
[12:14] <dumr> hm for me amarok works fine
[12:14] <fdoving> pielgrzym: not that i'm aware of. amarok is the only that advanced atleast.
[12:14] <dumr> what does amarok when playing
[12:15] <maryen> no
[12:15] <pielgrzym> fdoving: amarok seems to be like windows - lots of good features, but stability totally sucks :(
[12:15] <maryen> banshee gets close but still not amarok
[12:16] <pielgrzym> is banshee in repos?
[12:16] <maryen> yes
[12:18] <pielgrzym> oooh damn, why this banshee is in gtk ;(
[12:22] <teledyn> many apps i install are not showing up in menus
[12:24] <wickedpuppy> teledyn, its normal
[12:24] <teledyn> but highly annoying?
[12:25] <wickedpuppy> teledyn, not to me
[12:25] <wickedpuppy> teledyn, you can add it yourself ..
[12:25] <teledyn> to me it is a bug
[12:25] <wickedpuppy> :P
[12:25] <teledyn> i install an app.  i want it to be in the menu.  in debian, there was the 'debian' menu which was nice
[12:25] <teledyn> actually was better than the kde one
[12:25] <wickedpuppy> teledyn, i have debian menu now
[12:26] <wickedpuppy> i don't know which app i installed to get this one though
[12:26] <teledyn> is there a way to get it?
[12:26] <wickedpuppy> there is a way for sure
[12:26] <wickedpuppy> which way ? i do not know
[12:26] <teledyn> dpkg -l '*' | grep '^i | grep menu    <-- what is your output of that?
[12:27] <wickedpuppy> billy@wickedpuppy:~$ dpkg -l '*' | grep '^i | grep men
[12:27] <wickedpuppy> >
[12:27] <wickedpuppy> LOL
[12:27] <wickedpuppy> billy@wickedpuppy:~$ billy@wickedpuppy:~$ dpkg -l '*' | grep '^i | grep menu
[12:27] <wickedpuppy> >
[12:27] <wickedpuppy> hmms ... first one for typo
[12:27] <wickedpuppy> anyway why bother ?
[12:28] <wickedpuppy> i been using linux for 7 years ... i never bother with menus ...
[12:28] <teledyn> you are missing a quote after '^i
[12:28] <B-Minus_> how can i install skype for kubuntu ?
[12:28] <teledyn> just cut and paste from what i wrote
[12:28] <wickedpuppy> teledyn, i copied from you
[12:29] <teledyn> oops    dpkg -l '*' | grep '^i' | grep menu
[12:29] <wickedpuppy> billy@wickedpuppy:~$ dpkg -l '*' | grep '^i | grep menu
[12:29] <wickedpuppy> >
[12:29] <teledyn> try the second one
[12:29] <wickedpuppy> hold on ..
[12:29] <wickedpuppy> i pasting on the pastebin
[12:30] <toad_> is there a simple way to get forward and back buttons working?  last 3 times i tried i broke X
[12:30] <teledyn> which forward button?
[12:30] <toad_> on a mouse
[12:30] <toad_> mx518 if it helps
[12:30] <wickedpuppy> there you go teledyn , http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27788/
[12:31] <teledyn> thank you wickedpuppy
[12:31] <wickedpuppy> np
[12:31] <Ace2016> is it just me or are the repos slow?
[12:32] <teledyn> aha maybe it was your gnome-menus package.  i will try.
[12:32] <teledyn> Ace2016: try a mirror
[12:33] <Ace2016> teledyn: where can i find a list
[12:33] <teledyn> i always like educational institutions since they usually have excellent backbone connections
[12:33] <teledyn> just google for it: ubuntu mirrors
[12:33] <teledyn> i think its linked off the ubuntu download page
[12:35] <teledyn> btw. wickedpuppy, you can put that line in a script.  i named it 'list'.  it lists all installed packages.  very useful.
[12:35] <wickedpuppy> ah k ... which line ?
[12:35] <teledyn> #!/bin/sh
[12:35] <teledyn> COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l '*' | grep '^i
[12:36] <wickedpuppy> oh okie ... thanks
[12:36] <teledyn> just put those 2 lines in a script.  name it whatever you like.  chmod +x  the file.
[12:36] <teledyn> then put it in /usr/local/bin  or ~/bin if you have one
[12:37] <wickedpuppy> ah k ... will try it .. thanks teledyn
[12:37] <rav3n> if may ask! what was the prolem?
[12:38] <teledyn> rav3n: i would like to get the 'debian' submenu which i used to have in debian.  the kde one sucks
[12:38] <B-Minus_> sometimes adept says a package will conflict with another package, but it still installs fine, do i need to worry about this ?
[12:38] <teledyn> i wish i could delete the kde one and only have the debian one
[12:39] <rav3n> well, i don have much info abt that but i'll oogle for it now for you :)
[12:39] <teledyn> B-Minus_: if the conflicting package is not installed on your system, its no problem
[12:39] <B-Minus_> teledyn: ok, its in grey so i guess its not ?
[12:40] <teledyn> B-Minus_: i only use apt/dselect/dpkg so i don't know about adept
[12:40] <Ace2016> teledyn: Thanks thats much better
[12:40] <B-Minus_> ok
[12:40] <magicmike> Hey y'all.
[12:40] <Ace2016> hey
[12:43] <magicmike> I downloaded a newsreader nzbpower-0.1.1.tar.bz2 to my desktop. Can someone give me info on how to install it? Thanks.
[12:46] <rav3n> teledyn: sorry, couldn't find anythign useful for you...but does this cause you problems?
[12:47] <teledyn> rav3n: i install apps and they do not appear in menus.  recent examples were  ding and wing (no joke, those are really the names!)
[12:47] <teledyn> wickedpuppy says he has a debian menu somehow.  so something he installed must have created it
[12:49] <teledyn> i guess i could be unlazy and create my own menu entries for items in question
[12:50] <teledyn> still, it bothers me that new apps don't automatically register with the kde menu system
[12:51] <teledyn> even if it lumped all non-kde apps into one submenu or something, that is preferable to nothing
[12:56] <rav3n> i mean that you will see, debian submenu itself as a submenu of the K menu
[12:56] <teledyn> rav3n: yeah in debian at least the debian submenu always has all apps.  but i don't know how to get the debian one in kubuntu
[12:57] <teledyn> rav3n: its not frustrating either.  the debian menu is in my opinion the better one which i would always use
[12:59] <Fudge> hi is there a good speech pacakge for kde?
[12:59] <fdoving> teledyn: to get the debian menu (as a sub-menu of the kmenu) install the 'menu' package.
[12:59] <fdoving> Fudge: don't know how good it is, but you have 'kttsd'
[12:59] <teledyn> ah thanks!
[01:00] <teledyn> there it is!  i was wondering what package had the update-menus script
[01:01] <Jucato> "kbuildsycoca --incremental" ?
[01:01] <fdoving> yes, that's a nice command too :)
[01:01] <fdoving> but it doesn't do the same :)
[01:01] <Jucato> ah
[01:02] <fdoving> or, it does the same, but for another menu :)
[01:02] <Jucato> K Menu only, I presume?
[01:02] <fdoving> kbuildsycoca is for the kmenu, yes.
[01:02] <teledyn> when i run kbuildsycoca --incremental  it says "kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!"
[01:02] <dude_> jucato! fdoving! how are you guys . . .
[01:03] <Jucato> dude_: doing fine :)
[01:03] <fdoving> hi dude_, i'm fine, how are you?
[01:03] <rav3n> teledyn: Okay, good for you! for me i just fire in my apps in the "runcommand"
[01:03] <Jucato> teledyn: that's just normal (and to be ignored)...
[01:03] <rav3n> or just use Katapult...
[01:03] <Electrolyte> Would an nVidia MX440 support composite in Kubuntu?
[01:03] <rav3n> yes it would
[01:03] <teledyn> rav3n: yeah i love the Run Command kicker applet
[01:03] <Electrolyte> Thinking of swapping out my ATI X850XT and sticking in my MX440 for the eye-candy.
[01:03] <Jucato> rav3n: if the app doesn't display in the K Menu, Katapult won't be able to find it
[01:04] <dude_> cool
[01:04] <teledyn> rav3n: but if i didn't have a menu with them listed, eventually i'd forget what was installed
[01:04] <dude_> im cool
[01:04] <dude_> :)
[01:04] <rav3n> yeah, you're right
[01:04] <xsacha> MX440? :S i had that 6 years ago lol
[01:04] <Electrolyte> It's spare for my server.
[01:04] <Electrolyte> But I want to see how composite looks.
[01:04] <Jucato> rav3n: also, Katapult needs to be "refreshed" when a new app is added. (don't know if Katapult refreshes at intervals)
[01:04] <Electrolyte> Never seen it "real time" before.
[01:05] <Electrolyte> Pretty bad that ATI's fglrx driver doesn't support it.
[01:05] <dude_> jucato: have you tried  xandros
[01:05] <Jucato> dude_: nope
[01:05] <xsacha> pretty bad that fglrx is 8MB and all the other drivers do more with only 200KB.. wonder what they have in there
[01:06] <dude_> jucato: how about xubuntu?
[01:06] <Jucato> dude_: yes. just for a few days though
[01:06] <Electrolyte> xsacha: That's ATI for you.
[01:06] <Electrolyte> xsacha: The Vista ATI driver is over 70MB IIRC.
[01:06] <xsacha> :(
[01:06] <rav3n> Jucato: nope it doesn't i guess u have to restart KDE in order to detect newly installed apps
[01:07] <xsacha> all my video cards are ATI, my last one was a 440MX that i chucked out 4 years ago
[01:07] <rav3n> For me i never faced the problem of apps not showing in Submenu.
[01:07] <xsacha> nvidia one* that is.. i wish i had one now
[01:07] <Electrolyte> I won't be going with ATI any more due to poor Linux support.
[01:07] <xsacha> me either
[01:07] <Electrolyte> When I get my binary watch it's saving up for a 7800/7900.
[01:07] <Jucato> rav3n: about Katapult, I just found a way to "refresh" it manually. Alt+SPace, Ctrl+C (configure Katapult), then press OK
[01:07] <rav3n> Xsacha: won't XGL work with Electrolyte's card??
[01:08] <Electrolyte> I've tried to get it installed.
[01:08] <Electrolyte> But it fails.
[01:08] <rav3n> Jucato : Cool!!
[01:08] <Electrolyte> Well, XGL works, but compiz/beryl doesn't.
[01:08] <xsacha> dont know, it will work with mine but it has a lot of trouble installing!!
[01:08] <xsacha> i can get it on other distros and on live cds.. but try installing myself, god...
[01:08] <Electrolyte> xsacha: I get trouble installing it.
[01:08] <Electrolyte> Like I said, XGL works, but compiz fails to install (it breaks)
[01:09] <xsacha> yeah my xgl works i just get an error when i run beryl
[01:09] <xsacha>  http://nanobin.nanosouffle.net/1776 if you want to check out the error -- so far no one has been able to think of a solution :(
[01:09] <Electrolyte> The error I get is trying to install compiz via atp.
[01:10] <Electrolyte> It says compiz-plugins breaks.
[01:10] <rav3n>  Jucato: thanks dude...
[01:10] <Jucato> rav3n: no problem :)
[01:10] <Jucato> it's a silly workaround, nonetheless :P
[01:11] <Electrolyte> I might give XGL another try, but any ideas why Compiz won't install?
[01:11] <rav3n> well, as long as i like it..it's not :P
[01:11] <Jucato> lol
[01:12] <rav3n> For me i have a problem of all time...
[01:12] <rav3n> ardware problem, My 5-in-1 media card reader doesn't work
[01:13] <rav3n> even when i did update-pciids
[01:13] <rav3n> it's texas instruments
[01:13] <rav3n> i heare dit's not yet supoorted
[01:14] <xsacha> :(
[01:14] <rav3n> sorry for mistyping
[01:15] <Electrolyte> Now, when it comes to "sudo aptitude install compiz compiz-plugins csm cgwd cgwd-themes cgwd-themes-extra" - it doesn't work.
[01:15] <Electrolyte> compiz-plugins breaks when I try to install it.
[01:15] <Electrolyte> Should I be installing something else than compiz?
[01:15] <rav3n> is it conflicting?
[01:15] <xsacha> try beryl
[01:16] <Electrolyte> compiz-plugins: Depends: compiz-core (>= <IP_ADDRESS>) but <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu3 is to be installed.
[01:16] <Electrolyte> Depends: csm (>= 0.5) which is a virtual package.
[01:16] <Electrolyte> That's the only errors I get.
[01:17] <rav3n> try "sudo aptitude install" i don know if it would resolve the issue
[01:17] <Electrolyte> Already using it.
[01:18] <Electrolyte> But it appears beryl works.
[01:18] <rav3n> never used beryl is it better
[01:18] <rav3n> ?
[01:18] <Electrolyte> It's the newer version of compiz IIRC.
[01:20] <Electrolyte> Best go give it a try I suppose.
[01:22] <rav3n> well, maybe
[01:27] <xsacha> can you choose lilo bootmanager in the GUI installer for kubuntu?
[01:27] <Jucato> xsacha: nope
[01:28] <xsacha> gah
[01:28] <Jucato> it automatically installs GRUB in the mbr of hda. no questions asked
[01:28] <xsacha> :(
[01:28] <dude> jucato: what can you say about xubuntu?
[01:28] <ubuntu> i just installed it.
[01:28] <ubuntu> it's lovely
[01:28] <ubuntu> good day
[01:28] <Jucato> dude: hm... if you want something fast, but still need/want a desktop environment (not a plain window manager), it's the choice for you
[01:29] <xsacha> can run beryl in it? :)
[01:31] <xsacha> http://www.xfce-look.org/content/pre1/42755-1.jpg on xfce.. and im sure beryl fits in nicely
[01:31] <denis_> i need help
[01:33] <Jucato> !ask
[01:33] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[01:34] <dumr> !ask
[01:34] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[01:34] <dumr> !ask debian toolbar for k menu
[01:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ask debian toolbar for k menu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:35] <dumr> fu
[01:35] <softmaster> are there temporary files that should be deleted on kubuntu?
[01:35] <Jucato> dumr: it means, ask your question
[01:36] <dumr> damn
[01:37] <dumr> its no use
[01:37] <Jucato> ??
[01:37] <dumr> i just need the name of package
[01:37] <pointwood> anyone know what the changes are to kopete in the latest release? I can't seem to see anything on the kopete website and nothing in the kde 3.5.5 changelog
[01:37] <dumr> if anyone knows
[01:37] <dumr> i am searching for debian menu in k menu
[01:37] <dumr> just this
[01:37] <dumr> i wont ask fucking bot
[01:37] <Jucato> ah
[01:38] <dumr> do you know
[01:38] <dumr> or just something to show every installed program on compute
[01:38] <dumr> computer
[01:39] <silvania> is there a way to fix the USB random dying on my mouse?
[01:40] <Jucato> dumr: I'm not sure what the contents of the Debian menu should be. but to see every installed package in the computer, open up Adept Manger (K Menu -> System -> Adept) and change the filters (checkboxes) to show only installed packages. Take note that it will also show programs, libraries and other stuff as well
[01:40] <kernoman> how do i remove a package that is broken? i have tried to install k3d (3d software) and it fails to install but i cant seem to remove it
[01:40] <Lynoure> silvania: depends on the cause. Is it truly random? Anything in the logs?
[01:41] <Jucato> pointwood: found this through Google<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:41] <softmaster> are there temporary files that should be deleted on kubuntu?
[01:41] <softmaster> any help
[01:42] <silvania> Lynoure: im pritty new to ubuntu / linux, but its working then its not - i unplug and plug it in again and it works again.
[01:42] <kernoman> where does apt keep its list of installed or partially intalled software?
[01:42] <silvania> Lynoure: I tried a PS/2 converter but its not working at start then.
[01:45] <Lynoure> silvania: it might also be a problem with the hardware... possibly, not likely
[01:46] <silvania> Lynoure: worked fine for 4 months
[01:46] <Lynoure> silvania: check   dmesg  after it misbehaves
[01:46] <silvania> Lynoure: but i recently installed ubuntu and thats where i cant get it to work
[01:46] <silvania> it just did let me check
[01:50] <rav3n> ark --help
[01:50] <rav3n> sorry folks :d
[01:50] <rav3n> wrong window
[01:50] <rav3n> just trying to backu my system using ark
[01:50] <rav3n> lol
[01:51] <silvania> Lynoure: http://www.yguild.com/error_log1.txt
[01:51] <Jucato> :)
[01:52] <dennister> g'morning all
[01:52] <dennister> |lostbyte|: r u wide awake and bushy-tailed?
[01:53] <|lostbyte|> dennister, Hai :)
[01:53] <dennister> hi :) were u looking for an audio format converter?
[01:53] <|lostbyte|> dennister, nope.. why ?
[01:54] <|lostbyte|> dennister, i use ffmpeg and mencoder.
[01:54] <dennister> someone was...i found one, and I thought it was u who were looking
[01:54] <dennister> ffmpeg and mencoder will do conversions from m4a to mp3 or ogg?
[01:54] <|lostbyte|> dennister, what did you find ?
[01:55] <Lynoure> silvania: hmm, I cannot say straight away. wake up and lossage seem relevant
[01:55] <dennister> something called Pac, or "perl audio converter"
[01:55] <dennister> it does conversions from multiple audio and video formats
[01:56] <Lynoure> silvania: there are others with the same problem, maybe I can find you something
[01:56] <|lostbyte|> dennister, There is an mp32ogg program..
[01:56] <|lostbyte|> its in the repos.
[01:56] <Jucato> audiokonverter.....??
[01:57] <dennister> k, we have some m4a's i want to convert
[01:57] <dennister> pac is supposed to be pretty good, but the documentation sux
[01:57] <|lostbyte|> dennister, ffmpeg does it too..
[01:57] <dennister> k...i've got ffmpeg
[01:58] <|lostbyte|> dennister, Is pac that converter that showes on your right click in kde. ?
[01:58] <silvania> Lynoure: yeah im browsing google on it, but it's like needle in haystack
[01:58] <dennister> i just know sooner or later I'll want to do more conversions...it's supposed to do that
[01:58] <dennister> i just can't seem to get it going, as usual :)
[01:58] <Lynoure> silvania: try googling for   ohci_hcd  IRQ INTR_SF lossage
[01:58] <|lostbyte|> dennister, right click on an audio file in konqueror..
[01:59] <dennister> it's supposed to show up on pulldowns in konq and amarok, but it doesn't on mine
[01:59] <|lostbyte|> dennister, right-click > action > pac convertor > list of options..
[02:01] <dennister> ...tried the right-sclick...pac doesn't show up under actions
[02:01] <|lostbyte|> Oh.
[02:01] <Lynoure> silvania: what brand/make is your mouse? have you tried with another mouse?
[02:01] <dennister> but the file did play after i hit properties :)
[02:01] <dennister> with player...i'd like it to work under amarok
[02:01] <|lostbyte|> dennister, sudo apt-get install pacpl
[02:02] <dennister> i already did that, andgot all the dependences
[02:02] <dennister> have been reading the man page, the faq...
[02:02] <silvania> Lynoure: i just have this one, its a Saitek - but should work without anything special
[02:03] <dennister> did some changes in the pacpl.conf file...
[02:03] <silvania> Lynoure: my keyboard is usb aswell and never dies
[02:03] <Lynoure> silvania: do you by any chance have a AMD64 NForce3-based system?
[02:03] <dennister> nada...no joy
[02:05] <dennister> |lostbyte|: ?
[02:05] <silvania> Lynoure: I think NForce 4
[02:05] <|lostbyte|> dennister, Then use ffmpeg.
[02:06] <dennister> yeah...any quick usage tips?
[02:06] <|lostbyte|> dennister, cause i did try installing pac long back, and it showes on the menu.. but would'nt convert..
[02:06] <silvania> Lynoure: Asus P5ND2-SLI Deluxe is the mother board
[02:06] <Lynoure> silvania: it seems that happens sometimes on those system and the fix is a bit hassle for a new user. Do you use Dapper or Edgy?
[02:07] <|lostbyte|> dennister, ffmpeg -i <inputfile>.<format_ext> <outputfile>.<format_ext>
[02:07] <dude> jucato: are you uisng bear ftp?
[02:07] <silvania> Lynoure: dapper
[02:08] <Lynoure> silvania: you can try going to bios and disabling ioapic
[02:09] <Lynoure> silvania: That's what many people report to have helped
[02:09] <dennister> thx lostbyte...if u can't get pac working I'm sure i won't be able to at this point...it'll take me a little while to get to the right directory for the ffmpeg script
[02:10] <dude> jucato: why is it almost all of my application crashes
[02:10] <silvania> Lynoure: I'll try, brb
[02:10] <Lynoure> silvania: good luck
[02:12] <|lostbyte|> dennister, Or try a kde frontend "soundkonverter" //
[02:12] <|lostbyte|> !soundkonverter
[02:12] <ubotu> soundkonverter: KDE frontend to various audio converters. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.1.99+0.2beta2-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 744 kB, installed size 1584 kB
[02:13] <dellubuntu> has anyone installed kubuntu 6.06tls on a dell 6400
[02:13] <dude> what is signal 11
[02:14] <dennister> |lostbyte|: i will try it...i'd just heard pacpl was easier than soundkonverter...hah!
[02:15] <lugburz> german  kubuntu room?
[02:15] <hyper> !de
[02:15] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[02:15] <hyper> abattoir: you're here?
[02:16] <lugburz> ich vergesse es immer wieder ;)
[02:16] <hyper> lugburz: keine Ursache
[02:16] <|lostbyte|> dude, Invalid memory reference
[02:17] <silvania> could'nt find a setting for ioapic
[02:17] <|lostbyte|> dennister, there can be nothing easyer than kde apps :P
[02:19] <Lynoure> silvania: sorry, that's all I found. The setting is probably there, possibly as I/O APCI, or possibly even as I/O Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller
[02:20] <silvania> Lynoure: ill try look for a converter to PS/2, read that it helps
[02:21] <dennister> |lostbyte|: got an error with the ffmpeg, but the file was created...and now pacpl shows up by right-clicking, too
[02:21] <|lostbyte|> dennister, what did you type ?
[02:22] <tomaz> ppl, help here
[02:22] <dennister> hold on: I'll give u the error message first: Unsupported codec (id=86018) for input stream #0.0
[02:22] <tomaz> 'could not find mime type application/octet-stream'
[02:22] <Lynoure> silvania: ok, I hope it gets solved for you.
[02:23] <tomaz> this error is popping up on the screen almost all the time
[02:23] <dude> lostbyte: what should i do?
[02:23] <dennister> after I typed: ffmpeg -i 02\ Hurt.m4a 02\ Hurt.mp3
[02:25] <dennister> lol...and now m4a files are playing in amarok anyway...without any conversions
[02:25] <|lostbyte|> dennister, huh, i wonder. m4a is supported.. try renaming m4a to mp4
[02:26] <dennister> i'm not sure I need to now...the goal was to get them working in amarok, and they are
[02:26] <|lostbyte|> dennister, m4a is actually mp4 with out video.
[02:26] <|lostbyte|> so dont worry :)
[02:26] <dennister> now that is...amarok was crashing with Hurt.m4p before
[02:26] <dennister> classic song :)
[02:26] <|lostbyte|> i wonder why you want to convert to mp3 :P
[02:26] <aumuell> m4p? that's protected
[02:26] <aumuell> xine does not like that
[02:27] <dennister> sorry
[02:27] <|lostbyte|> Yeah, mp4 has protection..
[02:27] <dennister> yeah, well, we paid for it
[02:27] <dennister> we have a cd collection like u wouldn't believe
[02:28] <|lostbyte|> aumuell, m4p ?
[02:28] <aumuell> dennister was talking about Hurt.m4p
[02:28] <dennister> and I always meant m4a anyway..m4p was a typo on my part
[02:29] <|lostbyte|> -------> 02\ Hurt.m4a
[02:29] <Electrolyte> I got Beryl working :D
[02:29] <Electrolyte> It's awesome!
[02:29] <aumuell> that should not crash to xine engine
[02:29] <dennister> well, it was
[02:29] <dennister> but all's cool now
[02:32] <castroaltima> #knoppix
[02:32] <Electrolyte> Ok, Linux looks better than Vista now.
[02:32] <Electrolyte> Well, mine does.
[02:32] <|lostbyte|> Electrolyte, with xgl deffinitly.
[02:32] <Electrolyte> Yup, I have that running with Beryl :D
[02:33] <silvania> okay so my next problem, how can i get "my user" to mount and access my NTFS drive?
[02:33] <castroaltima> you know I ran Vista and I was impressed it was alot better then XP
[02:33] <silvania> only get "only root can mount"
[02:34] <silvania> microsoft can't program, just look at the simplest program ever : Notepad, it's got lot of bugs on windows xp lol
[02:34] <|lostbyte|> :D
[02:34] <castroaltima> very true I agree, thats why I replace most of the proggrams it comes with
[02:35] <silvania> if you have wordwrap on it might save with a "newline" character on those wordwrap endings
[02:35] <castroaltima> usually with stand alone self sufficient programs, portables
[02:35] <julius> einer aus deutschland hier?
[02:35] <castroaltima> yeah been screwed by that before
[02:35] <Electrolyte> Damn, I can't figure out how to configure Beryl though.
[02:35] <julius> hi i am from germany
[02:35] <castroaltima> modified perl script in wordpad and uploaded to webserver (linx) it blew up
[02:36] <silvania> but anyhow - does someone know how i can setup so that other uses than root can mount a drive?
[02:36] <jmichaelx> in my file browsers. there is no shortcut to the hard drive containing my file system.... could anyone explain to me how to do this?
[02:37] <jmichaelx> let me restate that lol
[02:37] <jmichaelx> in my file browsers, there is no shortcut to the hard drive containing my file system.... could anyone explain to me how to create one?
[02:38] <castroaltima> Hey silvania, You need to set the suid bit on the /usr/bin/smbmount, /usr/bin/smbclient, and /usr/bin/smbmnt, then you can use smbmount to mount Samba shares. Alternatively, you could set the suid bit on the /bin/mount command but that could open up other security problems.
[02:41] <silvania> castroaltima: i used the guide on http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_mount_Windows_partitions_.28NTFS.29_on_boot-up.2C_and_allow_users_read_and_write_access to make it mount on startup but its not working.
[02:41] <Electrolyte> Anyone know how to change the fonts on the theme with xgl/beryl? It uses gnome themes IIRC.
[02:43] <castroaltima> silvania, what happens when you type "sudo mount"
[02:43] <castroaltima> no quotes
[02:43] <silvania> castroaltima: does'nt list the ntfs drive ( /dev/sda1 )
[02:43] <castroaltima> what is going on the command mount is only accessable by root
[02:44] <castroaltima> ok i see
[02:44] <dude_> why is it im getting crash errors while using my application, (Signal 11), what causing these error message?
[02:44] <silvania> castroaltima: i can mount it with "sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/windows/" but only access folder with root then
[02:44] <castroaltima> try sudo mount /dev/sda1 /some/mounting/point
[02:45] <castroaltima> ok can you create another folder /ntfs
[02:45] <castroaltima> and give that folder to the user
[02:45] <castroaltima> and then mount it
[02:45] <castroaltima> on that folder /ntfs
[02:46] <fdoving> silvania: is this a removable device?
[02:46] <silvania> castroaltima: no permission to access
[02:46] <Xal> edgy doesn't like me.
[02:46] <silvania> let me double check permissions
[02:47] <fdoving> Xal: what's the problem?
[02:47] <dude_> fdoving: why is it im getting crash errors while using my application, (Signal 11-SIGSEGV), what causing these error message?
[02:47] <Xal> The xserver doesn't want to start up.
[02:47] <fdoving> silvania: i suggest, if this is not a removable device, to add '/dev/sda1' to the end of /etc/pmount.allow and just go to media:/ and doubleclick it.
[02:47] <silvania> castroaltima: soon as i mount the folder goes root - root, else its myuser - myuser
[02:47] <castroaltima> do a sudo chown and give that folder away to user
[02:47] <castroaltima> ok i see
[02:47] <Xal> I tried sudo startx, and I get a driver not found error, and an error that my kernel is too high a version
[02:48] <silvania> castroaltima: only root can mount
[02:48] <thompa> disk and filesystem utility is awsome
[02:49] <silvania> i mean fdoving
[02:49] <fdoving> silvania: no, not if you do as i say.
[02:49] <thompa> in system settings if you click advanced, there is the disk mounter gui
[02:49] <thompa> i dont see in in ubuntu edgy only kde
[02:50] <silvania> fdoving:     /dev/sda1 is in /etc/pmount.allow at bottom, and its still giving "only root can mount"
[02:50] <fdoving> silvania: if you add /dev/sda1 to /etc/pmount.allow all users allowed to mount removable devices (users in the 'lpadmin' group) are allowed to mount it.
[02:50] <castroaltima> you try this thread http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=142481
[02:50] <fdoving> silvania: try 'pmount /dev/sda1' from the commandline. (kmenu -> system -> konsole)
[02:50] <serishema> my laptop has been overheating a lot lately and i'm wondering if there's a way to change power management settings to make this not happen.
[02:50] <serishema> i never had any problems with heat under windows.
[02:51] <thompa> serishema: are you running nvidia?
[02:51] <zorglu_> fdoving: im trying  to understand why my usb drives got sometime /dev/sda or sdb, is 'pmount' the name of the thing mounting the usb drive ?
[02:51] <silvania> fdoving: mount: only root can mount /dev/sda1 on /media/windows
[02:51] <serishema> thompa: no, i'm using an intel gma 915 chipset
[02:51] <fdoving> silvania: 'sudo umount -l /dev/sda1;pmount /dev/sda1'
[02:52] <thompa> serishema: are you running edgy rc?
[02:52] <serishema> thompa: dapper
[02:52] <thompa> sorry, i had a sony vaio that got hot
[02:52] <silvania> fdoving: Windows did not shut down properly.  Try to mount volume in windows, shut down and try again.
[02:52] <thompa> but only when opengl ran
[02:53] <castroaltima> silvia: You will have to boot into your Windows OS and do a "chkdsk /f" (aka. scandisk) on the partiton that you are trying to mount. Currently, ntfsprogs can't check/fix the integrity of the partitions and will refuse to mount them if they are marked as dirty (ie. needing to be checked), so you'll have to do it from Windows.
[02:53] <silvania> castroaltima: but why can i access it root mounting just fine?
[02:53] <castroaltima> fromt his thread, about mount ntfs http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=142481
[02:54] <silvania> castroaltima: thats the one i been following
[02:54] <grothesk> Is Edgy frozen?
[02:54] <omar> hello
[02:54] <dude_> fdoving: why is it im getting crash errors while using my application, (Signal 11-SIGSEGV), what causing these error message?
[02:54] <silvania> castroaltima: only way to access it is from root and that works fine to copy etc
[02:54] <silvania> castroaltima: soon as i try a user account, no access
[02:55] <Xal> thompa: You said you have edgy working fright now, right?
[02:55] <omar> does anyone know how to solve the "arts sound server fatal error: CPU overloading, aborting" problem?
[02:55] <fdoving> dude_: can be lots of things.
[02:55] <castroaltima> not quite sure at this point
[02:55] <silvania> castroaltima: ill just copy over the stuff i need and format it
[02:55] <castroaltima> have you tryed booting into windows and chkdsk
[02:56] <silvania> castroaltima: windows is gone from system hehe
[02:56] <castroaltima> lol oh ok,
[02:56] <TheGateKeeper> silvania: you don't need to boot into windows use badblocks
[02:56] <TheGateKeeper> castroaltima: bad advice!
[02:57] <silvania> TheGateKeeper: where can i get badblocks?
[02:57] <fdoving> dude_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures for more info on how to debug.
[02:57] <magicmike> hawkwind: Between free and non-free which is best to install? Thanks.
[02:58] <TheGateKeeper> silvania: you don't need to get it from anyware it's a cli command, open up konsol do badblocks - /dev/hda <--- assuming that is what your hdd is called
[02:58] <castroaltima> i think it comes as standard command
[02:58] <silvania> TheGateKeeper: okay trying
[02:59] <castroaltima> TheGateKeeper: does it work on ntfs drives?
[02:59] <TheGateKeeper> silvania: badblocks -v /dev/hda
[02:59] <silvania> >_< 293 049 666 blocks
[02:59] <TheGateKeeper> castroaltima: not sure about that
[02:59] <TheGateKeeper> silvania: what have we got here?
[02:59] <silvania> disk is 300g hehe
[03:00] <dennister> k; amarok is crashing on m4a files again
[03:00] <silvania> "checking for bad blocks read only test
[03:00] <swanfl> is there any way to set a default font size to view html messages?
[03:00] <swanfl> in kmail that is
[03:00] <flaccid> fsck -cdvf /dev/hda1
[03:00] <TheGateKeeper> silvania: how is your hdd made up, what partitions etc?
[03:00] <flaccid> man fsck.ext2
[03:00] <dennister> not on that one song i've been trying to convert, but others in the same album
[03:01] <silvania> TheGateKeeper: the windows one or? its just one big partition
[03:01] <TheGateKeeper> silvania: you haven't installed linux?
[03:02] <silvania> TheGateKeeper: im in linux right now
[03:03] <TheGateKeeper> cat /etc/fstab & put it pastebin for me please
[03:03] <dennister> i'm going to reboot ppl...perhaps that will solve some of my probs...and give me the login script I need to troubleshoot
[03:03] <dennister> bback soon
[03:03] <TheGateKeeper> silvania: what exactly is the problem
[03:04] <silvania> TheGateKeeper: i can only access my ntfs drive with root after mounting it with root, when i try a user im unable. if root mounts it im not able to access it with any user but root.
[03:04] <omar> please someone help me, I cant make sound work properly
[03:05] <omar> I get an error saying: "sound server fatal error: cpu overload"
[03:05] <silvania> and pastebin.com not working to submit >_<
[03:05] <Xal> Haha, I hosed my system, I think
[03:05] <Xal> I'm just reading now that I had to install kubuntu-desktop before upgrading to edgy
[03:05] <silvania> TheGateKeeper: http://www.yguild.com/error_log1.txt
[03:06] <silvania> TheGateKeeper: thats the fstab
[03:07] <swanfl> while I'm using kmail, it's not obvious to me how to make it so messages that come to me in html format appear tiny and non html messages appear in the font I've selected in kde control panel. If I use CTRL key and mouse wheel up, it increases the size of the html messages but also the non html messages. How do I set a default size for html in kmail?
[03:07] <swanfl> sorry for the last post
[03:07] <swanfl> oops
[03:07] <livingdaylight> is there a Kubuntu equivalent to glabels?
[03:07] <livingdaylight> !klabels
[03:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about klabels - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:07] <livingdaylight> !glabels
[03:07] <ubotu> glabels: label, business card and media cover creation program for GNOME. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.1.2-2ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 311 kB, installed size 980 kB
[03:08] <livingdaylight> is there a Kubuntu equivalent/version?
[03:08] <harmental> hi everybody....
[03:09] <harmental> any hints on how to upgrade to edgy?
[03:09] <freewill> how do i share files over the net work
[03:10] <livingdaylight> ok, Guys! Please! what is the kubuntu equivalent of glabels if there is one
[03:10] <TheGateKeeper> silvania: have you read this? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009&page=4
[03:10] <swanfl> harmental, upgrading Dapper -> Edgy is usally messy. better to do a clean install
[03:10] <Electrolyte> Does anyone know how to configure Emerald when using XGL & Beryl?
[03:10] <harmental> swanfl: will it be smoother in the future?
[03:11] <TheGateKeeper> silvania: I have heard about this problem before but I am not exactly sure what the fix is
[03:11] <silvania> TheGateKeeper: i will just copy the  few things i need really from that drive and format it to ext3 instead
[03:11] <swanfl> it should be but don't quote me :)
[03:11] <TheGateKeeper> silvania: ohhh ok :-)
[03:11] <castroaltima> silvania: that might be a good idea, save your self some headache
[03:11] <silvania> TheGateKeeper: i can copy stuff from it with root in console
[03:12] <silvania> im moving 100% to linux anyhow
[03:12] <castroaltima> well I am trying but keep having to do things in windows
[03:13] <harmental> swanfl: i guess ill wait then...Thx!
[03:13] <TheGateKeeper> silvania: well if you are carefull you can also do: Run Command... kdesu konqueor if you want to use a gui but *be carefull*
[03:13] <freewill> any1 just simple files shairing??
[03:15] <lugburz> !de
[03:15] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[03:15] <TheGateKeeper> freewill: what OS do these machines have on them?
[03:16] <freewill> theres 3 myne has kubuntu 6.06 the other 1 also kubuntu 6.06 and the other one windows
[03:17] <freewill> i actualy just want to shair stuff for the linux 1
[03:17] <freewill> but i can't get smb working and i don't know of any other  way of shairing stuff
[03:18] <TheGateKeeper> freewill: well as windows are involved probable best to use samba, you can set up the file sharing from system settings once samba is installed
[03:18] <TheGateKeeper> !samba
[03:18] <ubotu> samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[03:18] <TheGateKeeper> freewill: ^^^^^
[03:20] <cryptonic_> could someone help me get realplayer working?
[03:20] <aztun> hi all
[03:20] <TheGateKeeper> cryptonic_: how did you install it?
[03:20] <aztun> is there any good how-to to enable aixgl+compiz on kubuntu/edgy?
[03:20] <cryptonic_> i didnt yet
[03:20] <cryptonic_> i have a .bin file
[03:21] <cryptonic_> cant find a .deb file
[03:21] <aztun> cryptonic_: maybe u can install realplayer using automatix
[03:21] <aztun> its the easier way
[03:21] <TheGateKeeper> cryptonic_: hang on...
[03:21] <cryptonic_> how do i install automatix?
[03:21] <livingdaylight> is there a Kubuntu equivalent to glabels?
[03:21] <TheGateKeeper> aztun: there is a much easier way & less risky...
[03:22] <livingdaylight> !glabels
[03:22] <ubotu> glabels: label, business card and media cover creation program for GNOME. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.1.2-2ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 311 kB, installed size 980 kB
[03:22] <livingdaylight> is there a Kubuntu or kde equivalent
[03:22] <freewill> TheGateKeeper: just want to know what is the most common used file shairing for linux to linux
[03:22] <TheGateKeeper> cryptonic_:
[03:22] <TheGateKeeper> wget -c http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/r/realplay/realplayer_10.0.7-0.0_i386.deb
[03:22] <TheGateKeeper> sudo dpkg -i realplayer_10.0.7-0.0_i386.deb
[03:22] <livingdaylight> or is glabels the only cd label in LInux
[03:22] <TheGateKeeper> cryptonic_: do that ^^^^
[03:22] <livingdaylight> i want to create nice cd labels in Linux
[03:23] <TheGateKeeper> freewill: nfs
[03:23] <freewill> thx
[03:23] <TheGateKeeper> !nfs
[03:23] <ubotu> nfs is the network file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
[03:23] <TheGateKeeper> freewill: ^^^^
[03:23] <livingdaylight> geez...maybe my question is not technical enough
[03:24] <TheGateKeeper> cryptonic_: don't use automatrix it will in all probability break your sysytem
[03:24] <livingdaylight> should i ask a really technical question about samba?
[03:24] <aztun> is there any good how-to to enable aixgl+compiz on kubuntu edgy?
[03:24] <aztun> TheGateKeeper: automatix has never broken my system
[03:24] <livingdaylight> aztun: i have xgl+beryl
[03:24] <livingdaylight> aztun: to dyou use nvidia?
[03:25] <aztun> no livingdaylight
[03:25] <cryptonic_> thegatekeeper - you dont happen to know if theres a problem with nvidia's latest drivers cause i installed them yesterday and they broke my xserver, and everytime i booted i was in the terminqal
[03:25] <aztun> I have an intel 915 on my laptop
[03:25] <livingdaylight> aztun: that's too bad
[03:25] <TheGateKeeper> aztun: good you can answer all the questions from people where it HAS done, well volunteered lol
[03:25] <livingdaylight> OK, Guys! i want to create nice cd labels using LInux, please tell me how?
[03:26] <livingdaylight> is glabels the only software in Ubuntu/LInux that creates cd labels
[03:26] <TheGateKeeper> cryptonic_: I don't use games, can't be bothered with the potential agro, so I have never installed them, so sorry can't help you there