[00:03] <missyjane> hi whats the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu?
[00:08] <ubuntu_> missyjane: KDE and Gnome ;)
[00:08] <dig> missyjane: I guess they use the same kernel, but they present in their own ways
[00:09] <ubuntu_> missyjane: If you worked till yet with windows, i would use ubuntu first.
[00:09] <ubuntu_> After that use kubuntu.
[00:12] <ahmos> !ati
[00:16] <olipl> Hello
[00:16] <olipl> Whos got kubuntu ?
[00:17] <olipl> Cause that sucks dicks
[00:17] <m3rlin> probably most people on this channel...
[00:17] <olipl> lol
[00:17] <olipl> Prefer gnome anyway
[00:17] <olipl> Ciao amigos
[00:17] <yunosh> what a helpful comment
[00:18] <ptl> totqlly
[00:18] <m3rlin> well, he seemed like a clever guy anyway..
[00:18] <ptl> *totally
[00:18] <ptl> let's all convert to gnome
[00:18] <yunosh> good idea, good bye kde
[00:19] <m3rlin> like /part #kubuntu, /join "ubuntu ?
[00:19] <ptl> no
[00:19] <ptl> ubuntu has KDE and QT stuff on it too, let's do gubuntu, gnome-only
[00:19] <maduser> ubuntu is only gnome
[00:19] <maduser> kubuntu is kde
[00:19] <m3rlin> really? do i have to change the whole os?
[00:19] <ptl> is it?
[00:19] <maduser> yeah
[00:19] <m3rlin> yea, i know.
[00:19] <maduser> you want gnome get ubuntu
[00:19] <m3rlin> just jokin
[00:19] <m3rlin> *joking
[00:19] <ptl> Didn't know that.
[00:23] <mareczek> hello kubuntu fans
[00:23] <mareczek> i've installed 8.10 + kde4.1.3
[00:23] <mareczek> its great!!!
[00:23] <mareczek> though, could someone help me with conky?
[00:35] <opiemsith1> can someone tell me why some icons in the task manager get replaced by blue squares? like they're missing
[00:36] <dwidmann__> opiemsith1: sounds like a bug
[00:36] <opiemsith1> yeah
[00:37] <opiemsith1> can it be fixed?
[00:37] <dwidmann__> I'll see if I can find an existing bug report for it for you
[00:37] <opiemsith1> thanks
[00:42] <dwidmann__> opiemsith1: can you maybe show a screenshot of it?
[00:43] <opiemsith1> sure, 1 min
[00:46] <opiemsith1> http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/2916/desktopfh4.jpg
[00:46] <bdizzle> does anyone know if Office 2007 is able to read impress files created in OOo?
[00:47] <dwidmann__> opiemsith1: okay, and which application is the blue square?
[00:47] <opiemsith1> right now it's the volume manager, but they all do it sometimes
[00:48] <dwidmann__> opiemsith1: hmmm,
[00:49] <missyjane> sorry i use slackware, was just curious
[00:49] <dwidmann__> bdizzle: I think not without some sort of addon
[00:49] <bdizzle> grr
[00:49] <bdizzle> I've got a presentation next week or so and I have to use a Vista computer to present it
[00:50] <SkEmO> ew
[00:51] <seba_> !es
[00:53] <Ajuna> How do I get the screensavers to work for 8.10?  I've been browsing the package list and no luck
[00:54] <SkEmO> seba_: ???
[00:58] <JP-sNL3> bdizzle: can't you just save the "impress files" as M$ Powerpoint ppt file within OOo itself?
[00:58] <opiemsith1> so no ideas then dwidmann?
[00:59] <bdizzle> I should be able to, but I'm not sure if Office 2007 can read them
[00:59] <bdizzle> I know 2003 can
[01:01] <Ajuna> what's the name of the package for 8.10 that installs screensaves for 4.1 KDE?
[01:01] <JP-sNL3> hmm... checking in OOo it shines about maybe not tranfering layout stuff etc not correctly... maybe you should just try some pages...
[01:01] <JP-sNL3> s/shines/whines
[01:02] <seba_> !es
[01:02] <jtechidna> Ajuna: kscreensaver
[01:02] <Ajuna> okay, apt-get can't find out
[01:02] <Ajuna> er it*
[01:03] <kernco> How do I do Japanese input in 8.10?  I see all the scim-bridge packages are installed, but I don't see anywhere in system settings how to configure it
[01:07] <ptl> joejoejoe: so many joes
[01:08] <CarolinaSwamp> after upgrading to 8.10 my nvidia drivers seem to be shot.  xorg wont boot...if i run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg then my keyboard doesnt work and i cant login.  any suggestions?
[01:09] <dwidmann__> CarolinaSwamp: try running "nvidia-xconfig"
[01:10] <CarolinaSwamp> dwidmann: i did that, when it boots into kde it says that the nvidia module is not found
[01:10] <CarolinaSwamp> dwidmann: do i need to install a new nvidia-glx driver?
[01:10] <dwidmann> CarolinaSwamp: maybe ... try "nvidia-glx-177"
[01:11] <CarolinaSwamp> dwidmann: how can i tell which driver is for me?
[01:11] <dwidmann> CarolinaSwamp: if it's an even halfway recent card (read as geforce4 or later), try nvidia-glx-177
[01:12] <CarolinaSwamp> dwidmann: its on my laptop that i bought last year, a Nvidia GeForce 6150 Go
[01:13] <dwidmann> yeah, it should be fine
[01:13] <dwidmann> Looks like -177 dropped support for GeForce 4 and 5
[01:14] <dwidmann> maybe sooner, like at -173
[01:16] <corinth> When is KDE 4.2 due out?
[01:16] <CarolinaSwamp> yea 177 didnt work
[01:16] <CarolinaSwamp> trying 173
[01:16] <corinth> And, does anyone have a guess at when there will be 4.1.3 packages for Ibex?
[01:16] <dwidmann> corinth: last I heard it was supposed to be out in late January
[01:16] <dwidmann> corinth: they're in backports already
[01:17] <corinth> dwidmann: Where to I get the backports repos?
[01:17] <dwidmann> corinth: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu ubuntu-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[01:18] <dwidmann> oops
[01:18] <mikem_> kde 4.2 support separate workspace wallpaper?
[01:18] <dwidmann> s/ubuntu-backports/intrepid-backports
[01:18] <dwidmann> there we go
[01:18] <corinth> dwidmann: Sorry, what was the correction you made? (Bit of a noob, sorry :-/)
[01:19] <dwidmann> corinth: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[01:19] <corinth> That's all one entry, right?
[01:19] <dwidmann> Yeah
[01:19] <corinth> Thanks. :)
[01:20] <CarolinaSwamp> dwidmann: with the generic configuration it boots into the login screen but my keyboard is not recognized! i cant type anything. the touchpad mouse works fine though.
[01:20] <dwidmann> CarolinaSwamp: take it that -173 didn't work either?
[01:21] <dwidmann> CarolinaSwamp: what about -96?
[01:21] <CarolinaSwamp> dwidmann: im booted into KDE, at the login screen with no driver errors
[01:21] <CarolinaSwamp> dwidmann: now the problme is back to the original...my keybaord is not being recognized
[01:21] <dwidmann> CarolinaSwamp: hmm, maybe if we specify the keyboard in xorg.conf it will work okay
[01:22] <CarolinaSwamp> dwidmann: yes i bet you are right...nothing is listed there
[01:22] <dwidmann> CarolinaSwamp: Okay, switch to a console with "ctrl + alt + f1"
[01:22] <CarolinaSwamp> dwidmann: im there, and im in the xorg.conf file
[01:23] <dwidmann> CarolinaSwamp: then, "cd /dev/input/by-id",
[01:23] <CarolinaSwamp> dwidmann: all i have is by-path
[01:23] <dwidmann> CarolinaSwamp: umm, then by path will have to do
[01:23] <und99> Hi
[01:24] <jack_> hi all, have you ever used the powertop? i have wakeups-from-idle per second 800. I thing that this is so much. Do you know how to reduce it?
[01:24] <CarolinaSwamp> dwidmann: k, i have event-kbd, event-mouse, and mouse listed
[01:25] <CarolinaSwamp> dwidmann: the names are longer than that, i just wrote the end of them
[01:25] <dwidmann> I think you want event-kbd, you'll need the full path
[01:26] <CarolinaSwamp> k
[01:27] <dwidmann> CarolinaSwamp: Okay, I just pm'd you what the keyboard section should probably look like.
[01:27] <dwidmann> CarolinaSwamp: alter the path line to fit
[01:29] <CarolinaSwamp> dwidmann: got it, thanks.  rebooting now we will see what happens =)
[01:30] <dwidmann> jack_: powertop should throw you suggestions every ten seconds or so, it'll tell you something like "press O" to blah or whatnot, just do a few of those and watch it drop.
[01:35] <CarolinaSwamp> dwidmann: i ended up having to use the generic keyboard w/ the kbd driver but its working finally...thanks for your help
[01:36] <dwidmann> CarolinaSwamp:mm, so long as it's working ... though it's odd that evdev wouldn't work ... did you have the path right?
[01:38] <CarolinaSwamp> dwidmann: i thought I did but i didnt double check, i could have made a typo
[01:39] <dwidmann> CarolinaSwamp: if it's not broken don't fix it though eh?
[01:39] <CarolinaSwamp> dwidmann: absolutely =) thanks for the help again
[01:40] <dwidmann> CarolinaSwamp: you're welcome, any time
[02:12] <Ajuna> Hello, I upgraded to 8.10 and I installed the kscreensaver package for 4.1.3, but I can't find the settings any where in KDE
[02:12] <ethana21> FAQ doesn't seem to have a link to the Kubuntu 8.10 desktop i386 .torrent files
[02:12] <ethana21> !torrents
[02:12] <ethana21> uh
[02:13]  * ethana21 tries altering those links
[02:13] <FrozenFire> Hi all, I'm having an issue with FireFox, nearly identical to this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/240632 . I installed from the most recent version of Intrepid install CD, and I receive 15-20 crashes per hour in FireFox. I have reinstalled Intrepid and immediately upgraded, then installed FireFox and kubuntu-restricted-extras. When debugging FireFox with "firefox -g" I received a "Program received sign
[02:13] <FrozenFire> al SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. [Switching to Thread 0xb7c4a6c0 (LWP 9175)] 0xb7cbbc79 in ?? () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6" at crash time. This error seems to happen primarily when viewing flash videos, but not always. Occasionally it happens within 30 seconds of a fresh session. As well, it doesn't always happen upon page load. Sometimes it happens minutes later, or arbitrarily when I walk away from the computer.
[02:13] <ethana21> aaaand they're all DVDs
[02:13] <ethana21> Can I get Kubuntu 8.10 in a CD image?
[02:14] <FrozenFire> flashplugin-nonfree is <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1 and firefox is 3.0.3+nobinonly-0ubuntu2
[02:17] <mister-tea> not to be a smart a** but did you try #firefox
[02:17] <FrozenFire> This is definitely a Kubuntu issue, as the crashes affect X and occasionally lock up the entire system.
[02:18] <mister-tea> that may be true, but it also may have been seen by someone in ther
[02:18] <FrozenFire> I just had another crash and received: *** glibc detected *** /usr/lib/firefox-3.0.3/firefox: corrupted double-linked list: 0x0b3c18d8 ***
[02:19] <FrozenFire> And a bunch of "/usr/lib/xulrunner-<IP_ADDRESS>/libxul.so[0xb74587fb]"
[02:25] <Guest33437> ?
[02:26] <Dr_willis> ???
[02:31] <OzoneNerd> In kde 3, I could "killall artsd" to access /dev/audio directly, how do I do an equivalent to this in KDE 4?
[02:37] <legodude_> the nvidia driver is not finding my monitor connected via DVI
[02:37] <legodude_> it will show a phantom CRT though
[02:37] <legodude_> I've tried to tweak xorg.conf to force it to use teh DFP
[02:37] <legodude_> but no luck it seems
[02:37] <legodude_> any suggestions?
[02:38] <legodude_> oh
[02:38] <legodude_> forgot to mention
[02:38] <legodude_> (II) NVIDIA(GPU-1): No display devices connected; falling back to: CRT-0
[02:41] <Dr_willis> I had to install/run the nvidia-settings or nvidia-xconfig tool
[02:41] <Dr_willis> then mine started working.
[02:42] <legodude_> I'm using nvidia-settings
[02:42] <Dr_willis> had to twiddle with the things on 3 dfiffernet nvidia machines..
[02:42] <legodude_> it does not reflect any DFP monitor though
[02:42] <Dr_willis> Some of the Changes to X in 8.10 - are really messing with the auto-dtecttion of nvidia hardware from what ive seen
[02:43] <legodude_> it seems to me that regardless, monitors should be showing up in the Xorg log
[02:43] <legodude_> yeah, I had a series of problems until I pulled a new set of updates...
[02:43] <Dr_willis> On this box. I just had to install the nvidia drivers and reboot.. on laptop - i had to run nvidia-settings and then it took off..
[02:43] <Ajuna> Is there a way to get Amarok to play files gaplessly that are non-OGG?
[02:43] <legodude_> got my one card working alright
[02:43] <Dr_willis> Other box.. worked fine from the get go.
[02:43] <legodude_> and I can't restart the X server, I have to restart the whole machine
[02:43] <Ajuna> Amarok inserts a digital 'pop' between songs
[02:52] <isaacj87> Hey everyone
[02:52] <legodude_> hi isaacj87
[02:54] <isaacj87> I'm currently building KDE from svn...Do most people use kdesvn-build?
[02:54] <legodude_> isaacj87: I've got no clue, but why are you doing that?
[02:55] <isaacj87> legodude_: I want to run the bleeding edge version of KDE 4. I tried the nightly packages and I'm hooked.
[02:55] <legodude_> wow
[02:55] <legodude_> committed
[02:55] <legodude_> are the changes that noticible?
[02:55] <legodude_> noticeable
[02:56] <isaacj87> legodude_: Most definitely, KDE 4.2 is going to be a stellar release. KWin is smooth as hell. Plasma has these new fantastic features and everything is so much more polished.
[02:56] <legodude_> wow
[02:56] <Dr_willis> So its actually Useable! :)
[02:56] <legodude_> and the nightlies aren't updated enough?
[02:57] <legodude_> you need 6hourlies?
[02:57] <QContinueum> i could go for some optimization... i switched one of my machines over to xfce because it couldn't hadnle kde4
[02:57] <isaacj87> legodude_: haha, no. I had some problems with the kde-nightly packages
[02:57] <legodude_> ahhh
[02:57] <isaacj87> Dr_willis: Most definitely.
[02:58] <legodude_> you using kubuntu nightlies?
[02:58] <legodude_> or kde package?
[02:58] <isaacj87> Whereas KDE 4.1 is fairly stable. It feels a bit hindered and clunky. I didn't get that from the nightly packages.
[02:59] <QContinueum> package
[03:00] <legodude_> how does using some other kde build affect one's ability to upgrade to the next kubuntu release?
[03:01] <QContinueum> i had kde4.1 isntalled under 8.04... it updated just fine (even though it wasn't "supported" for that version)
[03:01] <QContinueum> updated to 8.10
[03:01] <legodude_> QContinueum: where did you get it from?
[03:01] <isaacj87> legodude_: Truthfully, I don't know. I've never actually compiled a whole DE before lol
[03:01] <QContinueum> 8.10?
[03:02] <legodude_> sorry
[03:02] <legodude_> where did you get the 4.1 packages from?
[03:02] <legodude_> for 8.04
[03:02] <QContinueum> i don't recall exactly... there was a link here on IRC when 4.1 came out that had instructions
[03:02] <legodude_> ah
[03:03] <isaacj87> legodude_: They could be in the backports repo
[03:03] <legodude_> gotcha
[03:03] <isaacj87> legodude_: that's where I got KDE 4.1.3 for Intrepid
[03:04] <isaacj87> legodude_: If you're still running KDE 4.0, you'll see a definite improvement when upgrading to 4.1
[03:04] <legodude_> I'm running 4.1
[03:05] <legodude_> I have my quibbles
[03:05] <legodude_> I really wish it would collapse windows on a per program basis in plasma
[03:07] <isaac_> hola
[03:07] <QContinueum> hi
[03:07] <legodude_> are the kde backports usually pretty stable?
[03:08] <umangshu> i want to do database handling in J2EE in ubuntu can any body help
[03:08] <isaacj87> legodude_: Yeah. You get newer releases of KDE 4.1 in backports
[03:08] <umangshu> i want to do database handling in J2EE in ubuntu can any body help
[03:08] <umangshu> i want to do database handling in J2EE in ubuntu can any body help
[03:09] <legodude_> hey
[03:09] <QContinueum> repeating your message will not get you more help than you otherwise would
[03:09] <legodude_> don't spam
[03:09] <umangshu> sorry
[03:09] <umangshu> i m using netbeans
[03:10] <legodude_> dunno if this is the right place to ask
[03:10] <legodude_> you probably want a j2ee-specific room
[03:10] <QContinueum> yeah
[03:10] <umangshu> i dont know
[03:10] <genii-around> or #netbeans
[03:10] <dwidmann_> That or a java-centric forum
[03:11] <legodude_> kinda like asking how should I write my essay in kubuntu
[03:11] <umangshu> netbeans 5.0
[03:11] <genii-around> legodude_: Good comparison actually
[03:12] <QContinueum> the #netbeans room has ppl in it, i'd try there
[03:12] <umangshu> compiz fusion doesnt work on my pc
[03:12] <Ajuna> Is there to change the engine for amarok or an alternative I can install?
[03:12] <Ajuna> xine is getting me clicking and popping noises between gapless songs
[03:13] <QContinueum> umangshu: kde4 and compiz fusion don't play nice together... the window magic stuff is built into kde4 now
[03:13] <isaacj87> QContinueum: That's not exactly true. CF can run just fine on KDE 4, but using KWin is a lot easier
[03:14] <QContinueum> perhaps not exactly true, but when i was running kde4 under 8.04, i had a ton of wierd conflicts between the two
[03:14] <QContinueum> the solution was to remove CF and let kde4 do its thing
[03:15] <isaacj87> QContinueum: Odd. What kind of conflicts were happening?
[03:15] <umangshu> i am not able to change my desktop setting i gives an error message
[03:16] <QContinueum> i don't remember much exactly, but i do recall that screen resolutions and refresh rates were really messy... choosing 640x480 or so with ~40Hz refresh rate after every boot
[03:16] <QContinueum> glad that that is all behind me now
[03:18] <umangshu> whats up
[03:18] <isaacj87> Tm_T: Hey, you here?
[03:18] <legodude_> umangshu: you really need to provide much more context
[03:18] <legodude_> any context really
[03:18] <QContinueum> umangshu: you need to be more specific than "an error message"
[03:19] <umangshu> i think that problem is occured by restricted driver
[03:20]  * mister-tea oh my
[03:20] <KWGoD> does anyone play Flyff here?
[03:20] <KWGoD> its an mmorpg
[03:21] <JediatNight> anyone using a USB headset which uses libusb?
[03:21] <KWGoD> wondering if i can play it on my os cuz i really dont wanna get xp let alone have it with internet access
[03:21] <KWGoD> anyone?
[03:22] <KWGoD> herro
[03:22] <KWGoD> herro
[03:22] <QContinueum> KWGoD: according to the wikipedia entry on Flyff, it only runs on windows and requires DX9
[03:22] <KWGoD> thanx
[03:22] <QContinueum> you might try wine...
[03:22] <KWGoD> ...feel kinda dumb for not checkin wiki
[03:23] <QContinueum> *shrugs* it's okay
[03:23] <isaacj87> KWGoD: yeah, you might want to try WINE first and see if it runs
[03:23] <QContinueum> eh, he left
[03:23] <genii-around> Or check their appdb
[03:33] <genii-around> JediatNight: What issue are you having with your usb headset?
[03:34] <hack> i just installed unbuntu and i need some help with 2 things flash media like you tube plays but no sound and in guild wars through wine the character faces are missing help is much appreciated and the radeon 2400 is fully compatible with unbuntu 8.1
[03:35] <JediatNight> genii-around:   i have a logitech USB headset and I i'm unable to use it as a headphone
[03:35] <JediatNight> even though it works well with skype
[03:36] <genii-around> JediatNight: What does lsusb say for it?
[03:36] <JediatNight> it seems okay.. as it its working normally
[03:36] <JediatNight> but there is no sound in the headset
[03:37] <JediatNight> im not familiar with the libusb drivers .. and i'm trying to figure out.. how to enable the device
[03:37] <QContinueum> hack: you could try installing the flash driver directly from adobe
[03:38] <Out_Cold> i was trying to install kde 4.1 in ubuntu 8.10 but i get this error: Can not install 'kubuntu-kde4-desktop' (E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.)
[03:38] <JediatNight> do you know if there are any USB protocol stack drivers for linux ?
[03:38] <genii-around> Nott offhand
[03:38] <JediatNight> i'm interested in the USB protocol and would like to implement a USB driver ..
[03:38] <isaacj87> Out_Cold: KDE 4 is default in 8.10, so just type: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:39] <isaacj87> Out_Cold: That *should* install KDE 4.1
[03:39] <Out_Cold> cool..
[03:39] <Out_Cold> thanks
[03:40] <[Bain]> can someone help me enable external tools plugin in kate editor
[03:40] <hack> i just installed unbuntu and i need some help with 2 things flash media like you tube plays but no sound and in guild wars through wine the character faces are missing help is much appreciated and the radeon 2400 is fully compatible with unbuntu 8.1
[03:40] <[Bain]> i check mark the plugin but it dosent actually enable anything
[03:40] <QContinueum> hack: did you try installing flash from the adobe website?
[03:41] <hack> it won't work cause i have amd64 version and it's x86 version
[03:41] <QContinueum> hack: ah. too bad. that's what fixed it for me
[03:41] <hack> lol thank you though any idea on why the faces are missing in guild wars
[03:42] <QContinueum> hack: try cedega?
[03:42] <hack> but that costs money doesn't it
[03:43] <QContinueum> the guildwars wiki recommends it
[03:43] <QContinueum> http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Guild_Wars_on_Wine
[03:43] <hack> sweet
[03:43] <QContinueum> there are some ideas for tweaking wine in that link
[03:43] <hack> ty
[03:43] <QContinueum> thank google :P
[03:44] <isaacj87> hack: maybe this could help? http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/install-flash-10-ubuntu-linux-64bit.html
[03:46] <hack> how do you all find this stuff so quick been msn searchin for like 2hrs
[03:46] <hack> ty
[03:46] <QContinueum> hack: i used _google_ and search for "wine guild wars"
[03:46] <_2> http://www.google.com/linux
[03:46] <QContinueum> hack first link that popped up
[03:48] <[Bain]> can some one try something for me
[03:48] <[Bain]> try and enabling "external tools" plugin for kate
[03:49] <[Bain]> cause it dosent seem to work
[03:50] <QContinueum> [Bain]: it stays enabled for me, but i don't really know how to check whether or not it "works"
[03:50] <[Bain]> yay i cant find the configuartion page for it
[03:52] <hack> woot sound on flash ty all so much
[03:52] <QContinueum> hack: gl with GW
[03:53] <hack> has any actually got gw workin succesfully with wine
[03:53] <QContinueum> i'm sure someone has somewhere... i'd be willing to try this evening but for my PSU being dead
[03:53] <hack> i think it's a myth i have tried on suse 11 and fedora 8 with no luck
[03:54] <hack> well i will keep workin at it and thanks again
[03:55] <hack> filmhill.com for free movies if you want live streaming movies like quantum of solice or whatever it called just to inform yall
[03:56] <genii-around> !piracy
[03:56] <hack> its free cause it's sponserd is what a friend told me
[03:57] <_2> warez can be found at <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:57] <dwidmann_> It would probably take some sort of sponsorship to keep such a (likely) high bandwidth site online
[03:57] <QContinueum> indeed
[03:58] <hack> i am sry i wasn't tryin to promote piracy if that is what that site is but i was told it was legit cause of sponsoring
[03:59] <ptl> sharing things you like is not morally questionable
[03:59] <_2> we're all sorry you weren't trying too...  dog gone it, some body needs too.    but just not on freenode, and not in front of agent bob
[03:59] <genii-around> It depends if what you like is deviant :)
[04:00] <genii-around> But since at this time "Quantum of Solace" for instance is still in theaters, any site streaming it for free is highly dubous as legit
[04:01] <hack> they have all the movies before theaters and their really clean copies like theater quality though i mean they don't have ppl walkin in front of the screen or nothin
[04:02] <_2> :)))
[04:02] <_2> hack   word to the wise.   drop that topic like a hot potato
[04:04] <hack> well imma goin to bed i work on gw tomorrow it still aint workin right to glitchy and faces gone so goodnight all and thank you for your help
[04:06] <_2> ever notice how it's so hard to keep from "defending" yourself when you feel like you are in the right, even if doing so will put you in the wrong ?
[04:07] <QContinueum> he, he meant well i expect, but this really isn't the place to bring it up
[04:08] <genii-around> QContinueum: I feel the same
[04:08] <_2> yeah exactly
[04:08] <_2> and i synpothise
[04:09] <genii-around> I pointed out the reason I felt the !piracy was warranted and he's gone so mostly moot now
[04:10] <_2> yeah i didn't intend to beet a dead horse,  just observing a human charictor
[04:11] <_2> like right now.    i'm OT in here.    but it's cause i was right    :)))
[04:11] <_2> err no.
[04:11] <_2> it's because i'm binary
[04:11] <genii-around> _2: Wouldn't your name be something like _1   then ? ;)
[04:12] <_2> base one ?
[04:12] <genii-around> I was thinking more like 0 or 1 for binary
[04:13] <_2> 755_10 == 111101101_2
[04:13] <genii-around> ^2 would be better for base2 name :)
[04:14] <_2> that's square,   are you trying to say something ???
[04:14] <_2> :)
[04:14] <genii-around> _2: I'm tired
[04:15] <_2> genii-around just called me square    o.O
[04:15] <_2> :)
[04:15] <genii-around> Heh
[04:15] <genii-around> Smart*ss
[04:15] <karan> when i try to install some packages deb type this eror comes wrong architecture 'i386'
[04:15] <holycow> btw, the mac keyboards works quite well on linux
[04:15] <holycow> just need to fix a few key bindings
[04:15] <_2> karan you running 64bit ?
[04:16] <_2> karan    uname -r
[04:16]  * genii-around bets on ppc or so
[04:16] <karan> so wat do i do
[04:16] <_2> karan    uname -r   #and show us
[04:17] <phoenix> hi all
[04:17] <QContinueum> hi
[04:17]  * _2 wonders if he should have specified that    uname -r   is a terminal command
[04:17] <phoenix> nice it works =)
[04:18] <phoenix> 6 hours later and i have managed to change ubuntu so it fits me
[04:18] <phoenix> finaly :D
[04:18] <QContinueum> oh?
[04:19] <_2> phoenix "default is only the starting point on the long road to right" - intelikey
[04:20] <karan> in the konsole it displays this
[04:20] <karan> 2.6.24-16-generic
[04:21] <_2> karan   interesting.   genii-around not ppc,  what's your next best guess ?
[04:22] <_2> oh wait.  backwards.   the package type is not i386.
[04:23] <_2> karan where did you bet the package ?
[04:23] <_2> get
[04:23] <genii-around> sudo lshw -short | grep processor
[04:23] <_2> genii-around uname churned out 2.6.24-16-generic  that's i386
[04:24] <_2> karan where did that .deb package come from, how did you get it?
[04:24]  * genii-around jabs the caffeine IV tube in deeper
[04:25] <_2> main line it genii
[04:25] <karan> i took from a friend its int the apton cd
[04:25] <karan> in the apton cd
[04:26] <_2> karan ok. you and your friend seem to have different architecture hardware.  you need to delete that package and get one for i386 arch
[04:26] <karan> but he installed it in his ubuntu
[04:27] <_2> which is full of sound and fury, signifying nothing
[04:27] <karan> ub
[04:27] <dig> anyone using firefox on kubuntu has frequent crashing problem?
[04:28] <QContinueum> dig: runs fine for me
[04:28] <karan> is gtalk compatible with linux without using wine
[04:28] <draik> Hello all. In 8.04, I had a Public File Server app running by my K Menu. What is the replacement with 8.10?
[04:29] <_2> karan i'll just say it like this.   dpkg is seldom wrong about the architecture type (if ever)  if dpkg says it's wrong for your system,  then it's wrong for your system.
[04:29] <QContinueum> karan: gtalk uses the jabber protocol, many IM clients support jabber including Kopete and Pidgin
[04:29] <karan> its not in kopete
[04:29] <karan> i checked that out
[04:29] <QContinueum> karan: i'm using it right now
[04:30] <QContinueum> it's Jabber, not gtalk
[04:30] <QContinueum> karan: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Google+Talk+support
[04:30] <_2> !gtalk | karan
[04:31] <_2> QContinueum hope you didn't mind me botting in
[04:32] <QContinueum> _2: not at all, it's good to give as much help as they can take
[04:32] <binMonkey> hi, guys.
[04:32] <QContinueum> hi
[04:33] <_2> i shouldn't punish people like that.  they never notice it.
[04:33] <binMonkey> is it possible to chmod /dev/console?
[04:33] <_2> binMonkey sure
[04:33] <QContinueum> _2: i've only been using kubuntu full time for about a year, i try to help out when i can... which isn't as often as i like
[04:33] <_2> binMonkey only superuser can do it   but it's a simple thing
[04:34] <binMonkey> i've tried chmod 777 /dev/console and chmod a+w /dev/console and neither works.
[04:34] <QContinueum> did you do it with sudo?
[04:34] <binMonkey> yes.
[04:34] <QContinueum> huh
[04:34] <_2> binMonkey cause you aren't superuser.   or it's a symlink   if symlink you have to affect the target.
[04:34] <binMonkey> ahhhhh.  hold on.
[04:35] <draik> Is there an method for sharing a folder publicly?
[04:35] <_2> all symlinks are  777
[04:35] <dig> hmm.. how do I reinstall firefox?
[04:35] <_2> draik how public ?   http ?
[04:35] <QContinueum> samba?
[04:36] <_2> dig sudo apt-get install --reinstall firefox
[04:36] <draik> _2: Yes. I had it with my own IP in 8.04. I want to keep it similar.
[04:36] <SimplySeth> anyone know where to edit the menu in 8.10 ?
[04:36] <karan> when i use jabber in kopete for gtalk its stuck at connecting
[04:36] <binMonkey> but clean apt before reinstalling
[04:37] <binMonkey> my /dev/console is not an so.  no matter what i do i can't change permissions.
[04:37] <_2> draik apache and cherokee are web servers that you can install from the package manager.   lamp is an acronymn and an infonode about it.
[04:37] <QContinueum> karan: it's probably a configuration error on your end... go over the instructions again and make sure that everything is okay
[04:37] <_2> !lamp | draik
[04:38] <_2> binMonkey show me   ls -l /dev/console
[04:38] <draik> _2: That's just it. I just want a folder to be made available online through my IP and a port. I had it setup as http://123.234.345.456:8001/
[04:38] <_2> draik ok   nfs   then
[04:39] <_2> !nfs
[04:39] <_2> draik i'm slow but it you keep asking i'll finally get it.
[04:39] <binMonkey> _2: ok.  ls -l shows all permissions granted but when i try to run the program no sound works.
[04:39] <_2> binMonkey no.   show me what ls showed you
[04:39] <draik> _2: All that matters is that I got the answer. Thank you so much. You've always been quite helpful.
[04:40] <_2> draik selcome.
[04:40] <_2> w
[04:40] <binMonkey> _2: crwxrwxrwx 1 root dialout 5
[04:40] <_2> that's not all   ..........
[04:40] <binMonkey> _2: sorry i forgot that part.
[04:41] <SimplySeth> hmmm kmenuedit doesn't let me edit the "start" menu
[04:41] <draik> _2: Sleepy? BTW, can nfs allow outsiders to access my files? I need it to share a folder to the public as it holds files for the many people requesting something from me.
[04:41] <_2> yes that's what nfs is for draik     and samba for windows
[04:42] <binMonkey> _2: c rwxrwxrwx 1 root dialout 5, 1 2008-11-12 18:55 /dev/console
[04:42] <_2> !samba
[04:43] <_2> binMonkey ok   and your issue is what exactly   (and don't start in about the permissions on /dev/console cause it's as permiscuous as it can be)   ?
[04:44] <_2> binMonkey "no sound"     /dev/console should never affect sound.  that's  /dev/dsp  or something in /dev/snd/
[04:44] <binMonkey> i'm trying to run a morse code program.  i had to run it as su before i changed permissions.  now with permissions open no sound works.
[04:45] <binMonkey> _2: sorry.  the program told me i had no access to /dev/console and i had to run as su.
[04:45] <_2> binMonkey well you now have plenty of access.    but still that's not why you have no sound.   look at /dev/dsp     ls - l it
[04:48] <binMonkey> i just chmod dsp and it's all open.  but still no sound.  for fun i chmod 777 dsp1 and dsp2 also.  no luck.
[04:48] <_2> binMonkey does it work as su now ?
[04:49] <_2> binMonkey diagnostic question only
[04:49] <binMonkey> _2: yes.  i just hate using sudo.
[04:49] <binMonkey> _2: it doesn't seem right.
[04:49] <binMonkey> _2: the program is kochmorse, if it helps.
[04:50] <_2> binMonkey then look in /dev/snd/    it may be sending through arts/esd/pulse ...
[04:50] <binMonkey> _2: i looked for snd when you mentioned it earlier.  there is no snd in my /dev.
[04:51] <_2> ?
[04:51] <_2> /dev/sound/ ?
[04:51] <_2> i'm still using dapper  it may have changed  ...
[04:51] <dig> I was reading the man page and have no idea sudo install --reinstall firefox (install needs to flollow --reinstall)
[04:52] <binMonkey> _2: nope.  there's an so called sndstat.   should i try that?
[04:52] <_2> dig ?    i use it both ways
[04:52] <dwidmann> _2: it's still /dev/snd/
[04:52] <_2> binMonkey you are sure there isn't a /dev/snd/ dir ?
[04:53] <dig> I found it hard to read. e.g. Don't know which option should go
[04:53] <binMonkey> _2: yes.  i was looking for a file.  i'm sorry.
[04:54] <_2> dig  location of switches shouldn't matter    but order of commands do  i.e.  apt-get install firefox --reinstall ;apt-get install --reinstall firefox ;apt-get --reinstall install firefox  # should all work just alike.
[04:55] <dig> when I read, I cannot find install is able to be followed by options
[04:55] <_2> that's one reason i hate to see the developers moving away from dash dash
[04:56] <_2> posix just works
[04:56] <_2> errr posix --just --works
[04:56] <_2> :)
[04:58] <binMonkey> _2: sorry to be an idiot.  i just chmod 777 everything in /dev/snd dir and still no sound.

[04:59] <_2> binMonkey sorry to have mislead then.    </hides>
[04:59] <_2> dig   here read this http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/15810
[04:59] <_2> dig more informative than the man page
[04:59] <binMonkey> _2: close hides?
[05:00]  * _2 can't answer cause he is hiding
[05:00] <binMonkey> _2: i appreciate the help anyway.  i guess i'll just use sudo for this one program.  thanks for trying.
[05:00] <dig> thx, I just find the man page is not clear personally.
[05:00] <dwidmann> binMonkey: you're right, that would mean _2 is back in the open :P
[05:01] <_2> dig that happens some time.    i've learned every thing i know about linux by the "try it and reformat" methood  ;/
[05:02]  * _2 breaks xml too.
[05:02] <binMonkey> someday i won't be such an idiot.  until then, i appreciate you guys.
[05:03] <_2> binMonkey again. sorry that that didn't pan out.  if you are interested.  we can persue it farther ?
[05:03] <_2> easier to cut losses maybe
[05:04] <binMonkey> _2: no.  i guess it won't hurt to use sudo for this one program.  i thought maybe i was missing something.
[05:04] <ptl> binMonkey: what are you trying to do? Just get sound? Do you know that you have to add your user (and root also) to the groups audio, pulse, pulse-access and pulse-rt ?
[05:04] <_2> ok.  well no changes in /dev  will hold past a reboot anyway.
[05:05] <binMonkey> _2: if you want to learn morse code, though, this program is great!
[05:05] <_2> binMonkey i'm busy trying to learn computer code   but thanks
[05:05] <ptl> usermod -a -G audio,pulse,pulse-access,pulse-rt youruser
[05:06] <binMonkey> lol.  no changes hold past reboot.  that's good cause i was going to ask if i should change it all back.
[05:06] <dwidmann> ptl: that's strange, none of the pulse-* groups exist on my system.
[05:07] <_2> binMonkey yeah i anticipated that.   /dev/ is in ram   except /dev/.static/dev   which is the real device nodes on the hdd  but only accessed at boot time really
[05:07] <binMonkey> audio, pulse, etc are groupls and not files?  i don't understand.
[05:08] <ptl> dwidmann: aptitude install pulseaudio
[05:08] <ptl> it is worth it
[05:08] <ptl> pulseaudio is a very good addition to your system
[05:08] <_2> binMonkey in ptl's command string all of "audio,pulse,pulse-access,pulse-rt" is a list of groups to add your user to
[05:08] <binMonkey> ptl: ok.  i can always remove it.
[05:09] <ptl> !pulseaudio
[05:09] <binMonkey> ptl: i guess i already have it.
[05:09] <_2> ptl has esd/pulse replaced arts ?
[05:09] <ptl> phonon replaced arts on KDE
[05:09] <dwidmann> _2: phonon replaced arts I thought
[05:09] <ptl> not exactly
[05:10] <ptl> and phonon has an option to output to pulseaudio
[05:10] <binMonkey> usermod -a -G audio, pulse, pulse-access, pulse-rt rich1
[05:10] <ptl> arts is not the same as pulseaudio, arts is more than a sound server
[05:10] <binMonkey> lol.  wrong screen.
[05:10] <_2> binMonkey no spaces in the list
[05:10] <dwidmann> So what exactly is pulse and why would I want to go through the hassle of setting it up?
[05:10] <ptl> binMonkey: no spaces between the commas
[05:11] <_2> binMonkey usermod -aG audio,pulse,pulse-access,pulse-rt rich1
[05:11] <ptl> dwidmann: there are many different sound servers and frameworks for linux. Pulseaudio unites and integrates them, and completely replaces some of them (e.g. esd)
[05:11] <ptl> dwidmann: and pulseaudio is very friendly and easy to use. It comes with some gnome applets that work on KDE too.
[05:12] <dwidmann> ptl: and the purpose of q soundserver is?
[05:12] <_2> binMonkey many things can accept a "comma seperated list"  the fact that it is "comma seperated" means that it is not "space seperated"  :)
[05:12] <ptl> dwidmann: I use it all the time, e.g. something called padevchooser, that allows me to change the volume independently of each application. I usually fire up mpg321 to play some mp3s and adjust its volume through padevchooser.
[05:12] <_2> just an fyi / ffr
[05:13] <binMonkey> _2: i'm going to call you sensei.  i just understood that.
[05:13] <ptl> dwidmann: two things: assure the playing/recording of sounds concurrently and also stream and route sound through the network
[05:14] <dwidmann> hmm, streaming and routing through the network sounds interesting, so would it be possible to get sound when i'm ssh'd into another computer?
[05:14]  * _2 grumbles and goes to google to see what he was just called...
[05:14] <binMonkey> _2: now that i'm part of these groups do i have access to changing them?  and how is that different from chmoding files?
[05:15] <_2> binMonkey test your program again and see if it works for normal user
[05:15] <_2> if not we can through rocks at ptl
[05:16] <ptl> :(
[05:16]  * binMonkey throws rocks at ptl.
[05:16]  * ptl ducks.
[05:16] <binMonkey> _2: no go, sensei.
[05:16] <_2> lol   ooops
[05:17] <_2> binMonkey well that's two of us that swung and missed.    third strick and you're out.
[05:17] <ptl> binMonkey: do you have any error message when you try to fire the application through the terminal?
[05:17] <PyroBoi> Where can i find apt-get repos for edgy?
[05:18] <_2> PyroBoi ?   edgy if still supported for another few months  and then they will move them to "old unsupported"
[05:18] <_2> !edgy
[05:18] <binMonkey> ptl: no.  i got an error for regular user something like "you do not have access to /dev/console" before i chmod /dev/console.
[05:18] <_2> oh sorry
[05:18] <_2> in old unsupported
[05:18] <ptl> /dev/console ????
[05:19] <ptl> crw------- 1 root dialout 5, 1 2008-11-13 00:12 /dev/console
[05:19] <binMonkey> ptl: now after chmod i can run as regular user but no sound.
[05:19] <PyroBoi> _2: how do i set them to that dir
[05:19] <ptl> PyroBoi: upgrade to ibex!
[05:19] <_2> PyroBoi i think there is a page on the ubuntu.com   i'll have to look
[05:19] <binMonkey> ptl: yes.  but now mine is crwxrwxrwx, etc
[05:20] <PyroBoi> or is their a ez way to upgrade?
[05:20] <ptl> binMonkey: something seems very wrong with your installation! Do you have critical data on it? I hate to say it, but it might be wise to reinstall, since diagnosing every little file with wrong permissions would be too tiresome.
[05:20] <ptl> PyroBoi: yeah, update-manager
[05:20] <_2> ptl you might suggest an LTS   there may be a reason for "not having upgraded"
[05:20] <binMonkey> PyroBoi: i just saw an article about saving settings and apps with a clean install.  i'll see if i can find it.
[05:21] <binMonkey> ptl
[05:21] <PyroBoi> binMonkey: this is a brand new install
[05:21] <ptl> _2: I thought about it, but kubuntu is a desktop distribution, it would make little sense
[05:21] <binMonkey> ptl: no critical data.  i can always backup and reinstall.
[05:22] <_2> ptl heh  depends on perspective and bandwidth.   to me anything that has to dl more than 6 meg per 6 months makes no sense.
[05:22] <ptl> binMonkey: but I can help you if you think it's fixable
[05:22] <binMonkey> ptl: i think it's a goofy thing in the program, though.
[05:22] <ptl> _2: !
[05:22] <ptl> _2: do you use dialup?
[05:23] <_2> yeah
[05:23] <ptl> _2: I live in a developing country and I have had Cable for several years now
[05:23] <ptl> before that, I had ADSL
[05:23] <binMonkey> dialup?  really, sensei?
[05:23] <ptl> even on my cellphone I get 100kB/s or more
[05:24] <ptl> (3G)
[05:24] <_2> i know a lot of people that wont use ubuntu because of the bandwidth needed.     well some people.
[05:24] <PyroBoi> i can always d/l 8.10
[05:24] <binMonkey> PyroBoi: it's extra worth it.
[05:24] <PyroBoi> ok, whats diff between kde 4 and 3
[05:25] <_2> PyroBoi from what i see in here   4 lots more eyecandy  3 lots more full featured
[05:25] <ptl> PyroBoi: KDE4 is a lot buggier, but a lot better also
[05:25] <binMonkey> i don't know the programming stuff, but i prefer kde3 for now.
[05:25] <_2> PyroBoi oh and 4 lot less stable      forgot that
[05:26] <binMonkey> kde3 feels better to me.
[05:26] <PyroBoi> oh then its 3
[05:26] <ptl> PyroBoi: I loved it on Kubuntu, but I wouldn't recommend because it needs lots of small adjustments
[05:26] <tacosarecool> I used to not like kde4 but then I got used to it it is nice
[05:26] <binMonkey> and it's very disco fancy.
[05:27] <PyroBoi> well i think im going to go with 3 i can always upgrade later
[05:27] <tacosarecool> Yeah but now stickam don't act properly
[05:27] <binMonkey> kde4 is disco fancy.
[05:27] <tacosarecool> But I know it's not my webcam or flash
[05:27] <tacosarecool> because cartoonnetwork.com webcam games work fine
[05:27] <_2> i moved away from kde some time ago.   i think i started it one time in the last month
[05:27] <binMonkey> you can play games with a webcam?
[05:28] <tacosarecool> Yup
[05:28] <tacosarecool> Lol
[05:28] <PyroBoi> bout 2 hrs to d/l
[05:28] <binMonkey> tacosarecool: i'm going to check that out.
[05:28] <tacosarecool> Anyway binmonkey
[05:29] <tacosarecool> You have a stickam?
[05:29] <PyroBoi> _2: what you use? gnome?
[05:29] <tacosarecool> Can you see if it's working properly for you?
[05:29] <binMonkey> what's a stickam?
[05:29] <tacosarecool> It's a webcam site
[05:29] <PyroBoi> binMonkey: its a cam site
[05:29] <_2> PyroBoi blackbox   when i start a gui
[05:29] <tacosarecool> Like ustream but better
[05:29] <binMonkey> no.  sorry.  i'll buy a cam to play games, though.
[05:29] <PyroBoi> i've heard of that, but never seen it in action
[05:29] <binMonkey> hold on.
[05:30] <tacosarecool> There not that good of games but it's epic lulz
[05:31] <bilicki> I cannot sign into the hotmail (the page doesn't load when I sign in), and often some facebook features don't load as well... what could be the problem?
[05:31] <binMonkey> i love lulz.  tomorrow i buy a cam.
[05:31] <bilicki> I have tried with konqueror, seamonkey, firefox and opera, no luck
[05:31] <_2> !hotmail
[05:32] <binMonkey> tacosarecool: on the stickam home page i have a cam shot and a gray box.
[05:32] <binMonkey> bilicki:
[05:32] <tacosarecool> yeah
[05:32] <tacosarecool> It's so weird
[05:32] <tacosarecool> It was fine under hardy
[05:32] <binMonkey> bilicki: i think msn broke hotmail for linux users.
[05:33] <tacosarecool> Microsoft = msn = hotmail
[05:33] <binMonkey> tacosarecool: the gray box should be a cam also?
[05:33] <tacosarecool> One gray part should be a menu
[05:33] <bilicki> ok... does anyone here have a hotmail account???
[05:33] <binMonkey> i saw it on reddit.
[05:33] <tacosarecool> The cam shot should be a cam shot
[05:33] <_2> bilicki not that i would admit to
[05:33] <tacosarecool> which it is
[05:33] <dwidmann> I feel sorry for people who "need" hotmail ... you'd they'd eventually gain the sense to dump it for something better
[05:33] <tacosarecool> gmail ftw
[05:34] <binMonkey> tacosarecool: lol.  if you move your mouse over the gray you get yellow tool tips.
[05:34] <bilicki> I couldn't care less about hotmail, but I do want my browsers to work properly
[05:34] <bilicki> I use gmail
[05:34] <binMonkey> bilicki: they work properly.  msn borked hotmail for linux users.  true fact.
[05:34] <tacosarecool> I get white tooltips
[05:34] <_2> it's most likely not the browser that is "not working"
[05:35] <ptl> you know what
[05:35] <ptl> I work on Unix support at IBM
[05:35] <ptl> I use the terminal all the time
[05:35] <ptl> and having yakuake on KDE4 is a bless.
[05:36] <_2> ptl and you hate the console now...
[05:36] <ptl> It allows for real transparency. So I can see things through the terminal, like chat screens and web texts, to guide me typing certain commands.
[05:36] <tacosarecool> yakuake?
[05:36] <tacosarecool> Oog
[05:36] <ptl> yakuake is the best console ever
[05:36] <ptl> _2: certainly not, I love it
[05:36] <dwidmann> yakuake is made of pure love
[05:36] <tacosarecool> I'll have to download it
[05:36] <binMonkey> yakuake is the coolest application ever!
[05:36] <binMonkey> yakuake gives me a boner.
[05:37] <_2> terminal emulator like yakuake != console
[05:37] <binMonkey> tacosarecool: stickam works in opera and midori.
[05:37] <bilicki> _2: so what could be broken?
[05:37] <ptl> _2: oh, I understand what you meant now
[05:37] <_2> bilicki the web page
[05:37] <ptl> _2: I don't hate the console, it's just that I am more productive using the graphical environment
[05:38] <tacosarecool> wow this is awesome!
[05:38] <tacosarecool> I wuv it!
[05:38] <ptl> tacosarecool: try to use real transparency, if you have KDE4...
[05:38] <_2> bilicki M$ produces broken ie and then produces broken webpages that only broken ie can render propperly
[05:38] <PyroBoi> lol i like the gui, but i nine times out of ten have a term up
[05:38] <tacosarecool> I don't have that good of a graphics card
[05:38] <tacosarecool> But it's awesome enough
[05:38] <ptl> it's cool. Sometimes I even have a movie playing in the background while I type commands, lol
[05:39] <tacosarecool> Because it attaches to the screen
[05:39] <ptl> Any ATI or NVIDIA should do
[05:39] <tacosarecool> x300
[05:39] <binMonkey> transparency works on my ati 200m.
[05:39] <tacosarecool> Is that old?
[05:39] <ptl> I dunno
[05:39] <dwidmann> tacosarecool: transparency effects and the like don't really take a good card to pull off.
[05:39] <tacosarecool> Do effects work binmonkey?
[05:39] <binMonkey> mine do.
[05:40] <binMonkey> on kde3.
[05:40] <binMonkey> not on xfce.
[05:40] <tacosarecool> Mine freeze on 4
[05:40] <ptl> kde3 does not have effects
[05:40] <_2> ptl fair enough.   i was only anticpating   a common "i use this all the time at work and now can't stand it"  kind of rant.
[05:40] <ptl> only if you use compiz, that is
[05:40] <dwidmann> ptl:  yes it does.
[05:40] <dwidmann> ptl: well, basic things, transparency, shadows, etc
[05:40] <y0ul053> eh, I had compiz working fine on my geforce mx 440 ;p
[05:40] <binMonkey> ptl: yakuake transparency works.  i haven't tried compiz.
[05:41] <tacosarecool> How I make it use transperency
[05:41] <ptl> dwidmann: kde3's transparency is not real transparency, is it? I mean, you don't have transparent canvas like the kde4's yakuake
[05:41] <_2> dwidmann heh.   effects != 3d effects     which is what is generally meant hy effects
[05:41] <dwidmann> ptl:  yes it is.
[05:41] <dwidmann> _2: vague is as vague does
[05:41] <ptl> y0ul053: MX 440 does not work on the latest X.org, does it? I've read that nvidia's drivers do not support it anymore.
[05:41] <tacosarecool> How do I mean yakuake use transperency
[05:42] <tacosarecool> make
[05:42] <binMonkey> tacosarecool:
[05:42] <bilicki> I installed this yakukake thing... isn't F12 used for something else otherwise?
[05:42] <ptl> dwidmann: well, in KDE3, with full xrender extensions on and compose turned on, yakuake and konsole used fake transparency
[05:42] <y0ul053> dunno, haven't tried the lastest, back in *shudder* doze for a tiny bit
[05:42] <_2> tacosarecool right click configure
[05:42] <ptl> tacosarecool: you go to the colors configuration
[05:42] <binMonkey> tacosarecool: right click in yakuake, edit current profile,
[05:42] <tacosarecool> Lol pressing f12 is fun!
[05:42] <dwidmann> ptl: you would have to use nvidia-glx-96 I think
[05:42] <y0ul053> had to try out doze 7, really nothing out of the ordinary
[05:43] <dwidmann> ptl: all applications could have transparency, but if you went into konsole/yakuake's menus and tried to set it from there, that would be fake transparency
[05:43] <binMonkey> appearance tab, click edit, slide background transparency.
[05:43] <binMonkey> tacosarecool: appearance tab, click edit, slide background transparency.
[05:44] <ptl> dwidmann: didn't know that either.
[05:44] <bilicki> can someone explain to me what the point of transparency is?
[05:44] <bilicki> i am sure it's useful, but I just don't see for what
[05:44] <dwidmann> sometimes just for looks, other times when you need to be able to see through something to be able to work effectively
[05:44] <binMonkey> dwidmann: what is fake transparency?  does it use more resources?
[05:44] <ptl> bilicki: besides looking cool, for my particular case it boosts productivity so I can have additional input whilst I type commands. Like a web tutorial, a mail asking commands, or a chat screen beyond what I type
[05:45] <ptl> *below what I type
[05:45] <ptl> *under
[05:45] <ptl> agh.
[05:45] <_2> bilicki don't start asking why, and confuse everyone.   just look at the eye candy.
[05:45] <ptl> my english is lame.
[05:45] <tacosarecool> All the way right
[05:45] <rajneesh> can any one tell me how to mount windows partition? in xubuntu
[05:45] <bilicki> ptl: yes, i can see where it would be useful if you are reading something in the background...
[05:45] <tacosarecool> Go to the xubuntu channel please
[05:46] <dwidmann> binMonkey: fake transparency is basically like, take a screenshot of what's behind the window, and use a processed version of that screenshot for the background of the window ... or something like that
[05:46] <rajneesh> can you tell me  xubuntu channel name
[05:46] <tacosarecool> binmonkey
[05:46] <tacosarecool> This transperency isn't working
[05:46] <binMonkey> dwidmann: ok.  so if you move the window, the "transparency" won't change?
[05:47] <binMonkey> tacosarecool: yes?
[05:47] <tacosarecool> It won't change
[05:47] <tacosarecool> I put it at 100 percent
[05:47] <ptl> the fake transparency wouldnt' change
[05:47] <binMonkey> hold on.
[05:47] <_2> rajneesh probably the same way would in *buntu     mount device mountpoint arguments      adding a line in fstab if you want to make it a permenant mount, or have them user montable.
[05:47] <dwidmann> binMonkey: well, it'll refresh after a few seconds usually, depending on the app that's doing it.
[05:48] <tacosarecool> Oh my desktop does not appear to support transparent windows
[05:48] <dwidmann> binMonkey: maybe not even that long ... though fake transparency is slow
[05:48] <_2> !ntfs > rajneesh
[05:48] <tacosarecool> I'll try enabling desktop effect
[05:48] <tacosarecool> s
[05:48] <binMonkey> tacosarecool: what are you using?
[05:48] <tacosarecool> Ati x300
[05:48] <binMonkey> tacosarecool: what desktop?
[05:48] <tacosarecool> kde 4
[05:48] <binMonkey> tacosarecool: slide it all the way to the left.
[05:49] <tacosarecool> To the right you mean right?
[05:49] <binMonkey> no.  i mean left.
[05:49] <tacosarecool> That would make it 100 percent
[05:49] <_2> your other left
[05:49] <binMonkey> brb.  going to switch to kde.
[05:50] <_2> :)
[05:50] <_2> other left   hehhe     can't stop laughing
[05:52] <tacosarecool> Works now
[05:52] <tacosarecool> I was right
[05:52] <_2> see it's your other ledt
[05:52] <_2> left
[05:52] <binMonkey> sorry.
[05:53] <binMonkey> tacosarecool: slide all the way to the right.
[05:53] <ptl> ?
[05:53] <tacosarecool> Works
[05:53] <ptl> I am lost here
[05:53] <tacosarecool> Had to enable desktop effect
[05:53] <tacosarecool> s
[05:54] <tacosarecool> It will lag me though
[05:54] <ptl> but it seems transparency works now
[05:54] <binMonkey> it's so pretty.
[05:54] <ptl> will it?
[05:54] <_2> your other left     you know    <- left    and    other left ->
[05:54] <tacosarecool> It has before
[05:54] <binMonkey> why?
[05:54] <ptl> all the processing goes through your videocard
[05:54] <ptl> shouldn't take much processing from your computer
[05:54] <tacosarecool> Your right
[05:54] <ptl> even in my laptop it does not slow down noticeably.
[05:54] <binMonkey> mine seems to work chop, chop fast.
[05:55] <tacosarecool> Probably coincidence
[05:55] <tacosarecool> before
[05:55] <dwidmann> With transparency and such turned off, and windows being drawn by the video card instead of the processor, you should theoretically speed things up a bit.
[05:56] <dwidmann> Of course, that approach seemed to run into roadblocks last I checked.
[05:56] <_2> chop chop ?   huba huba ?   undelay undelay ?     hurry hurry ?
[05:56] <binMonkey> make with the speed, charlie hustle.
[05:57] <bilicki> what is that terminal that , once you select text, automatically copies it?
[05:57] <bilicki> and then right click pastes it
[05:57] <ptl> I vehemently refuse to live without desktop effects. They are more important than feeding.
[05:57] <binMonkey> ptl: you mean the cube and all that?
[05:57] <dwidmann> ptl; that reminds me of a really funny webcomic
[05:58] <_2> bilicki that's xorg not a terminal    you highlight anything and it's copied.  and "both click"   or "middle click" will paste it
[05:59] <ptl> binMonkey: no, transparency, expose, show desktops and fast-task-switching :)
[05:59] <ptl> dwidmann: xkcd?
[05:59] <binMonkey> is ping supposed to run until you ctrl-c it?
[05:59] <ptl> on Linux, yes
[05:59] <_2> binMonkey unless you give it a -c count
[05:59] <dwidmann> ptl: the particular one I'm thinking of was one of the older vgcats strips I think;
[06:00] <_2> binMonkey  ping -c 2 google.com
[06:00] <ptl> btw
[06:00] <ptl> desktop effects for KDE 4.1 does not have the cube
[06:00] <ptl> but 4.2 will have it
[06:01] <dwidmann> ptl: http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=242
[06:01] <binMonkey> i feel guilty using too many effects.  like i'm showing off or being too fancy or something.
[06:02] <_2> binMonkey i know the feel
[06:02] <binMonkey> _2: thanks.  that's another man page i have to read and learn.
[06:02] <ptl> dwidmann: weird, but funny! I didn't know this cartoon
[06:02] <dfgas> has there been alot of change from kde 4.1 to 4.1.3?
[06:02] <tacosarecool> bye
[06:02] <binMonkey> bye.
[06:02] <dfgas> or should i wait for 4.2?
[06:03] <tacosarecool> what's this I hear about 4.1.3
[06:03] <_2> i'm just going to wait for kde5
[06:03] <dwidmann> tacosarecool: it's in intrepid-backports
[06:03] <dfgas> has there been alot of change from kde 4.1 to 4.1.3?
[06:03] <ptl> dfgas: why wait? upgrade now
[06:03] <ptl> dfgas: enough changes, I think
[06:03] <tacosarecool> How do I upgrade?
[06:03] <dfgas> hmmm
[06:03] <binMonkey> i've learned to like xfce.
[06:03] <ptl> I just used a bit of 4.1.2
[06:03] <ptl> but I can't say for sure because I did not use KDE 4.1
[06:03] <dwidmann> dfgas: intrepid was released with 4.1.2 ... I'm not sure how much it has changed, see the changelog?
[06:04] <_2> binMonkey xfce has it's points indeed
[06:04] <dwidmann> i've learned to like Fluxbox ... but I'm thinking about trying Enlightenment
[06:05] <bilicki> call me crazy, but the only browser that renders facebook properly is seamonkey
[06:05] <tacosarecool> Ok
[06:05] <tacosarecool> Good night
[06:05] <binMonkey> are those both lighter than xfce?
[06:05] <binMonkey> bye.
[06:05] <bilicki> how is it different than firefox or opera or konqueror/
[06:05] <dwidmann> bilicki: You're crazy. (hey, you asked me to)
[06:06] <_2> binMonkey but it's powered by gerbles,    i just can't get used to the idea of a pinguin running on gerble power....
[06:06] <dwidmann> bilicki: I can't see how it'd be much different from firefox, different from opera or konqueror I could see.
[06:06] <binMonkey> they're much more efficient.
[06:07] <ptl> but seamonkey and firefox use the same rendering engine
[06:07] <ptl> gecko
[06:07] <bilicki> also, why is the UI in firefox coupled with KDE4 so ugly? like, look at the tabs and how the edges are all drawn wrong... or is that just my computer?
[06:08] <_2> seamonkey is forked from firefox because of copy left krap   no?
[06:08] <dwidmann> bilicki: firefox's fault :\
[06:08] <binMonkey> have you guys tried midori?
[06:09] <dwidmann> midori?
[06:09] <_2> bilicki and dwidmann isnt there a lib that fixes that
[06:09] <dwidmann> bilicki: _2: gtk-qt-engine isn't it?
[06:10] <dwidmann> At any rate, it helps though it isn't quite perfect.
[06:10] <binMonkey> i think it's like konqueror.  it's kind of bare bones but super fast.
[06:10] <bilicki> _2: if there is, why isn't it installed along with FF? I'll try installing it
[06:10] <_2> some libgtk-something-something-something
[06:10] <courtjesterg> anyone listening?
[06:10] <dwidmann> arora is the fastest browser i've ever used .. kinda feature-light though
[06:11] <bilicki> dwidmann: i already have gtk-qt-engine installed
[06:11] <binMonkey> is it in the repos?
[06:11] <dwidmann> binMonkey: yeah
[06:11] <ptl> _2: no...
[06:12] <ptl> _2: firefox and seamonkey are brothers, no fork
[06:12] <ptl> I mean
[06:12] <NightDragon> seamonkey = mozilla
[06:12] <courtjesterg> i downloaded the 173 for nvidia from the 96 when i go to x server it says i appear to not be running one please edit and restaaart your nvidia x config from root how do i do this or should i go back to 96 which they says is reccomened there still is 177
[06:12] <ptl> they are different enclosures for the gecko engine, and seamonkey (mozilla suite) is actually much more than just a browser
[06:12] <dwidmann> binMonkey: there's a newer version out though, but it practically begs for being compiled with a recent qt-snapshot
[06:12] <_2> gtk2-engines-qtpixmap - QtPixmap GTK2.x theming engine
[06:12] <_2> gtk2-engines-gtk-qt - theme engine using Qt for GTK+ 2.x
[06:12] <_2> that maybe    ^
[06:13] <_2> or maybe not ....
[06:13] <binMonkey> are the daily qts reliable?
[06:13] <binMonkey> dwidmann: are the daily qts reliable?
[06:13] <dwidmann> binMonkey: I dunno, I'm about to find out
[06:13] <courtjesterg>  i downloaded the 173 for nvidia from the 96 when i go to x server it says i appear to not be running one please edit and restaaart your nvidia x config from root how do i do this or should i go back to 96 which they says is reccomened there still is 177
[06:14] <dwidmann> binMonkey: I've got the source extracted and such right now :0
[06:14] <binMonkey> dwidmann: it looks like iceweasel.
[06:15] <_2> courtjesterg repeting so quickly doesn't help you.
[06:15] <dwidmann> binMonkey: look and feel should be whatever qt theme you've got :0
[06:15] <dwidmann> ***:)
[06:16] <courtjesterg> well nobody answwering and avoiding me does as well there is an off topic to be chatting about other things
[06:16] <dwidmann> (ie: oxygen)
[06:16] <dwidmann> My left pinkie is very unreliable lately
[06:16] <dwidmann> bash: ./configure: /bin/sh^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory <--- wow, that's not cool
[06:16] <_2> courtjesterg i can't answer that question because i don't know.   but someone might,   just don't repete to the point of beint a nusense, or they will ignore you.
[06:18] <dwidmann> courtjesterg: use the latest driver that will work with your card ... "run sudo nvidia-xconfig" to configure X to use the nvidia drivers ... that should be all you need to do :\
[06:19] <_2> dwidmann M$ markup
[06:19] <_2> dwidmann use "dos3unix" on the script.
[06:19] <_2> 2
[06:20] <binMonkey> dwidmann: oooh.  no java in arora yet.
[06:20] <dwidmann> binMonkey: plugin support happens when qt 4.5 happens ... I'm guessing that would include java
[06:21] <dwidmann> binMonkey: alternatively ... qt-snapshot
[06:21] <dwidmann> _2: where might I get "dos3unix"?
[06:21] <_2> 2
[06:21] <binMonkey> shit.  no java in midori, either.
[06:21] <dwidmann> oh, now I see what that 2 was there for, sorry
[06:21] <_2> dos2unix should be installed
[06:22] <dwidmann> _2: so, it may have had CR-LF line endings or somethign?
[06:22] <courtjesterg> java is still screwed up even in firfox you can't play yoville in myspace it just sits there at the main screen flash
[06:23] <binMonkey> courtjesterg: java works fine for me.  try time.gov.  it's a simple time server.  maybe your java installation is bad.
[06:23] <_2> dwidmann not may have but did!   that's what the message is saying "/bin/sh^M: bad interpreter" <<< ^M is the key.
[06:23] <courtjesterg> i even tryed a differeent plugin and it still screwed they should just start developing konq browers instead leaving it to rott
[06:24] <dwidmann> _2: ah, okay, thanks, I'll try to commit that one to memory
[06:24] <binMonkey> courtjesterg: did you install java from sun?
[06:24] <courtjesterg> yeah i got the sun version
[06:24] <courtjesterg> witht he extendion plugin
[06:24] <courtjesterg> extention
[06:25] <_2> dwidmann not sure why a configure script would have M$ markup  you may want to check the rest of the files too
[06:25] <binMonkey> try in terminal update-alternatives --config java
[06:25] <dwidmann> _2: more trouble than that it seems, it's saying make isn't in the $PATH, but it certainly is ...
[06:25] <binMonkey> courtjesterg: try in terminal update-alternatives --config java
[06:26] <_2> dwidmann could be caused by said markup   as noted ^
[06:26] <courtjesterg> well maybe it s the adobe flash not the java
[06:26] <dwidmann> _2: maybe, seems that setting $MAKE worked though
[06:26] <binMonkey> did you try time.gov?
[06:26] <binMonkey> courtjesterg: did you try time.gov?
[06:27] <courtjesterg> time.gov works fine
[06:27] <courtjesterg> its a java flash baase app game on facebook and myspace
[06:27] <_2> i.e. if a script adjusted the path and had bad markup the path would then have it.   just a thought.
[06:27] <courtjesterg> yeah i saw
[06:27] <courtjesterg> worked fine
[06:27] <binMonkey> cool.  at least your java works.
[06:27] <_2> pool.ntp.org
[06:27] <courtjesterg> whats that
[06:28] <binMonkey> good night, guys.  thanks for all the help.
[06:28] <courtjesterg> i still dunno how to fix this army time on my time
[06:29] <courtjesterg> don't think there is an option also the keyboard with layouts using the elite cordless duo logitech keyboard so when i press caps no caps show in my screen are enable ack no layouts worked
[06:30] <_2> army time    08:00 zulu ?
[06:30] <dwidmann> _2: think this would do the trick? "find /home/blackwaltz/linux/soft/src/qt-all-opensource-src-4.5.0-snapshot-20081111/ -type f -exec dos2unix {} \;"
[06:30] <_2> yeah
[06:31] <courtjesterg> whats the respo for?
[06:31] <_2> dwidmann just a thought, you might commit to memory using quotes around the {} will protect filenames with spaces   '{}'   or   "{}"
[06:32] <dwidmann> _2: yeah, I have to do that from time to time, but I always forget to put that on there
[06:33] <_2> dwidmann heh i have dirs with names like '\n"
[06:33] <_2> :)
[06:33] <_2> it plays havoc with things like that
[06:34] <_2> literaly   single quote new line double quote
[06:34] <dwidmann> _2: I'm finicky about my naming, but I didn't name this stuff though eh? (I rarely if ever use spaces ... avoid capitol letters and symbols, etc)
[06:34] <dwidmann> That's a strange name for a folder
[06:35] <_2> it stops scripts from doing anything recursively
[06:36] <dwidmann> _2: an interesting idea
[06:36] <_2> even a blind hog will find an acorn every now and then
[06:37] <benbloom> anybody else having trouble with flash in 64bit Kubuntu Hardy? It works fine as long as there aren't too many instances running at once. Adobe says the solution is to upgrade to Flash 10 but I am running Firefox 3.03 with Flash# LNX 10,0,12,36 on new hardware and I still have this problem!
[06:39] <dwidmann> benbloom: yeah, umm, it still isn't perfect, and part of the problem could potentially be the browser(s), it's hard to say
[06:39] <benbloom> actually _2, hogs dont use their eyes much to forrage
[06:40] <dwidmann> benbloom: I recommend flashblock ... that way you control which ones you view
[06:40] <benbloom> yeah dwidmann, I sent them a bug report
[06:40] <benbloom> great tip dwidmann, probably increase my speeds too (limited bandwidth-- what with KTorrent running in the bg all the time
[06:41] <dwidmann> benbloom: it really does help a lot
[06:42] <_2> dwidmann one other thing i might warn you about,  dir name '\n"  will hang mc out to dry,   not sure about gui file managers
[06:42] <benbloom> sucks because flash really could be such a cool tool if used correctly-- not as another source of annoying banner ads
[06:43] <dwidmann> _2: I'm curious enough to want to find out
[06:43] <_2> well it's easy to make   mkdir "
[06:43] <_2> '"
[06:43] <dwidmann> benbloom: yeah, but I think it's used at least as much for annoying banner ads ... so it's practically begging to be blocked
[06:44] <_2> that didn't print correctly   but you get the gist of it.
[06:45] <_2> it left out the \"   for some reason in the irc
[06:45] <dwidmann> _2: dolphin copes with it okay
[06:45] <_2> cool
[06:46] <_2> dwidmann you did make it with one each single quote double quote and newline  ?
[06:48] <dwidmann> Yeah, I made it be  -- '\n"
[06:51] <ptl> cd /var/yp && make all
[06:52] <benbloom> dwidmann: can you see this video? http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/209944/november-06-2008/rachel-maddow
[06:52] <ptl> benbloom: pr0n?
[06:52] <benbloom> no not ptl
[06:52] <ptl> ah :(
[06:52] <ptl> too bad
[06:54] <benbloom> sorry
[06:54] <benbloom> just trying to diagnose
[06:54] <dubbyz> hey anyone here, I am running ubiqutiy and was wondering how i could obtain root on a block device
[06:55] <dubbyz> I have the root to ubiquity but was wondering if i could use it to edit files on my hard drive
[06:55] <dwidmann> benbloom: one sec
[06:57] <dubbyz> or maybe better known as ubuntu live cd
[06:57] <_2> bah  why does starting kde reset xorg five times ?
[06:57] <benbloom> k dwidmann, just wondering if it's just me
[06:57] <dwidmann> I see a white box
[06:59] <dwidmann> If I click on full episode i get the same, except it has a little loading spinner in the box, and no actual net activity
[07:00] <_2> dwidmann konq seems to deal with it ok too
[07:00] <dwidmann> _2: I'm using Opera here
[07:00] <benbloom> ok so it's comedycentral.com then.
[07:00] <benbloom> :(
[07:01] <_2> dwidmann file manager i'm still on about the dir name
[07:03] <_2> dagnabit
[07:03] <courtjesterg> problem my ccd/rewrite again i restart the computer i acutally haven't been shutting down all the way when i did sure enough it showed worked fine everything was ok, then i restarted it was still fine then later start to make a click no the red light is on not green where disc in is at aalso some odd reason my sound doesn't work wonders if that has to do with the java plugin or the same with the cd/rewrite problem
[07:03] <_2> every time i start nautilus it takes over the desktop and i have to ctrl+alt+backspace
[07:04] <courtjesterg> kinda sounds like a trogan virus but  linux heard doesn't have
[07:05] <_2> yours or mine ?
[07:05] <courtjesterg> mine
[07:05] <_2> mine's a "feature" not a bug   but i sure wish it was "fixed"
[07:08] <_2> it tic's me off that kde will relinquish the desktop everytime nautilus is started       although   that has only happened about three times,  each time just testing file manager on *    and each time i have had to kill x  cause i have no applications menu after nautilus starts
[07:08] <_2> so now i have started kde twice in the last month,   each time lasting about one minute.
[07:12] <_2> dwidmann but btw nautilus handles the name ok too
[07:15] <vlt> Hello. Can I run the latest security update including "dbus" while KDE users are logged in?
[07:18] <_2> yes
[07:18] <_2> andi
[07:23] <_2> i need to stick with blackbox   at least when nautilus commits insurrection against blackbox i only have to click it's process in the slit and select kill client    and i'm back to full control of the desktop
[07:32] <Kernel> crap...i have no sound all of a sudden....ive tried killall artsd...ive tried to restart alsa-utils....still nothing
[07:34] <_2> pulsaudio ?
[07:35] <Kernel> nope.
[07:35] <Kernel> i just did alsa force-reload and it fixed it
[07:36] <dingus9> I have a problem with the screensaver, it wont start automatically after x amount of minutes, however it runs fine from the "test" button. Anyone have an idea. This is an updated dapper machine, and after update I had to add acpi=off to the kernel for it to boot. The problem remains constant from before update
[07:37] <mikorn4> I have a problem with the Nav/Toolbar ... the Date and Time (widget I guess) is too small to display the whole date, and I can't seem to resize it.
[07:37] <mikorn4> (KDE 4.1)
[07:39] <dingus9> mikorn4: when I added too many plasmoids to my bar, they overlapped and got squished, could that be the problem?
[07:40] <mikorn4> Maybe... not sure what a Plasmoid, and you would have to define too many
[07:40] <dingus9> mikorn4: also  you might take a look at compiling the "panel spacer" plasmoid if it
[07:40] <dingus9> mikorn4: * its not included in your distro's install
[07:41] <mikorn4> !plasmoid
[07:42] <dingus9> mikorn4: kde4 calls them plasmoids -- the kde engine is plasma ;)
[07:42] <mikorn4> so then how would I determine the existence of said panel spacer?
[07:43] <dingus9> mikorn4: any how I had the same problem when my bar was too small for the items I had in it, so I split the bar into two bars, but then I had too much space... spacing is a problem with some plasmoids
[07:43] <dingus9> mikorn4: its called panel spacer I believe its another plasmoid
[07:44] <mikorn4> fair enough... will check it out
[07:44] <mikorn4> thanks
[07:44] <dingus9> mikorn4: I had to compile it, its an extremely easy compile though... the instructions are on the page... kdelook.org - section plasmoids
[07:47] <niklauz> best network sync app for user files?
[07:47] <niklauz> preferably kde-based
[07:49] <dwidmann> unison does a pretty good job for syncing files, though I'm not sure if that would be what you're looking for or not.
[07:51] <niklauz> dwidmann: it is, it's what i used in my last setup actually and i liked it. Just wanted to do due dilligence before using it again without thinking
[07:56] <dwidmann> niklauz: Use whatever works and you'll never be disappointed :)
[07:57] <niklauz> okeedoke
[08:46] <amanson> hi
[08:54] <tony_93> hi all
[08:54] <JimFlint1> hello
[08:55] <dal_home> hey all, I have two machines running kubuntu, both running programs that output sound. rather than hook up a pair of speakers to each computer I was hoping to be able to forward the sound from one machine over the network to the other and just use one set of speakers hooked up to that machine. Anyone know of a way to achieve this?
[08:55] <tony_93> how are you ?
[08:56] <abhinav>  hi i am new to linux .........can any one please tell me hpw to play MP3........amrok is working fine but it is not playing mp3 format
[08:56] <sandhya> Hi, is there a task / process monitor in kubuntu 8.10?
[08:56] <abhinav> kaffine is also not playing audio wheeas video is working perfect
[08:57] <sandhya> !mp3
[08:58] <JimFlint1> abhinav: The "System Monitor" found under the system menu
[08:58] <tony_93> sandhya: ctrl + esc
[08:58] <sandhya> thanks tony!
[08:59] <sandhya> what's this applet called? Is there a menu for it?
[08:59] <tony_93> yw sandhya
[08:59] <abhinav> Jimflint: there is no system monitor option  under system
[08:59] <sandhya> abhinav: read links above
[09:00] <sandhya> the system monitor should have been directed at me I think
[09:00] <abhinav> kk thanx...

[09:01] <abhinav> i think i got it ........thanx again
[09:01] <abhinav> also one more query .........I am using hardy ........would you suggest to upgrade to 8.10
[09:03] <sandhya> I'd suggest waiting for the next version
[09:03] <sandhya> JimFlint1: thanks though :)
[09:04] <abhinav> ok so i'll wait
[09:04] <abhinav> thanx again
[09:04] <sandhya> yw :)
[09:08] <amerigo> goodmornig .... I have a question
[09:08] <amerigo> under kubuntu hardy how can i handle rpm file for install file?
[09:10] <naught101> ARRRGHG
[09:11] <naught101> why oh why was there no mention that intrepid completely dropped kde 3.5?
[09:12] <naught101> knetworkmanager (if that's what it's called now) won't connect to my wireless network now that I've upgraded
[09:16] <naught101> and no panel autohide?
[09:17] <dwidmann> naught101: I'm pretty sure that there was plenty of mention that intrepid dropped kde 3.5 ...
[09:18] <naught101> dwidmann: not anywhere public - I looked for pages about intrepid features, but couldn't find any...
[09:21] <dwidmann> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/8.10-release -- it's not as explicit as it perhaps should be, but if you read it it'll give you the impression that kde3 has been dropped
[09:34] <sandhya> naught101: I think you just need to redetect and add passwords to get you wifi back up
[09:35] <sandhya> that's what I had to do any way
[09:37] <naught101> that didn't work for me
[09:38] <naught101> dwidmann: it doesn't say that kde3 isn't available at all, which is a big omission, considering that kde4 is clunky and still has a tonne of features missing.
[09:39] <naught101> I can't even get a properties screen for the system tray
[09:41] <dwidmann> Hmm, guess in a half hour I'll have a recent qt-snapshot compiled :)
[09:42] <naught101> so what are the positive things in intrepid?
[09:44] <dwidmann> naught101: well, pretty much everything is shiny and new (that's both its biggest positive and negative all rolled into one decisive package)
[09:44] <naught101> is it any different to hardy-kde4?
[09:45] <dwidmann> for the most part, I'm going to say "not much"
[09:46] <naught101> ok. and kde3 isn't in the repos anymore, is it?
[09:47] <dwidmann> Right ... it was dropped for a few good reasons ... all of which are pretty sensible.
[09:47] <NightDragon> help... does anyone know C++
[09:49] <dwidmann> naught101: question for ya, you're not trying to use a static ip with knetworkmanger are you? Because I think that's broken in intrepid
[09:49] <naught101> no, I'm not
[09:49] <naught101> dwidmann: what good reasons?
[09:49] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[09:50] <dwidmann> naught101: less to maintain, lets them give more attention to kde4 so it will mature faster, and last but not least, hardy still works.
[09:51] <naught101> dwidmann: like "here's a half-baked DE, whinge about it to the programmers, and they might add some features in time for Jaunty, in the mean while, suck on it"
[09:51] <naught101> I like the last reason though
[09:53] <dwidmann> naught101: ubuntu runs in a 2 year cycle. An LTS release every 2 years. The first one after the LTS is when they make the decision to make their big changes. The rest of them are spent fixing things so the next LTS won't suck.
[09:54] <naught101> so Intrepid is LTS3-RC2?
[09:54] <ActionParsnip> naught101: thats the glory of FOSS, if it breaks, you get both halves
[09:55] <dwidmann> naught101: I'd say it's more like LTS3 - beta 1
[09:55] <naught101> hah. true
[09:59] <naught101> damn, every time I've upgraded to a new version, I've told all my friends to upgrade too... it's been worth it up until now.
[09:59] <dwidmann> naught101: it's a big change ... but I'd say development has been keeping a pretty strong pace. KDE 4.2 in January should be a breath of fresh air I hope.
[10:00] <naught101> what're the chances of panel auto-hiding?
[10:01] <dwidmann> naught101: I think that was on the to-do list, but I'd have to check to be sure
[10:02] <naught101> is there any way to reduce the icon size in the system tray?
[10:02] <dwidmann> naught101: DONE 	Plasma 	Panel Autohide 	Aaron Seigo<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:03] <naught101> brilliant
[10:03] <naught101> ok, now I might consider staying in intrepid
[10:03] <naught101> are there any kde4.2 beta backports?
[10:04] <shadypixie3> any way to tidily sort desktop icons in kde 4.1.3?
[10:04] <dwidmann> naught101: oh, in case you're curious - http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.2_Feature_Plan
[10:04] <naught101> thanks
[10:08] <naught101> something odd: in intrepid, my Kmenu icon is now the "back to start of track" icon from amarok and kaffeine...
[10:08] <naught101> kickoff menu is promising, that's one good thing...
[10:10] <dwidmann> naught101: I think I've heard of similar problems with the kmenu icon, but I forget what the fix was.
[10:10]  * naught101 toddles off to google
[10:14] <dwidmann> hrm, qt is taking long to compile than expected :(
[10:18] <naught101> holy crap, kde just crashed
[10:20] <dwidmann> naught101: what were you doing that made it crash?
[10:20] <naught101> um... typing something in firefox, I think...
[10:23] <dwidmann> hmm, 42 minutes to compile qt
[10:27] <fernando> HOLAAAAAAAAAA
[10:34] <naught101> wow, looks like knetworkmanager is buggered until jaunty...
[10:34] <naught101> is there any way to change the default behaviour for alt+tab?
[10:39] <ActionParsnip> does anyone have the behaviour whereby the mouse slowly grows slower and slower and then the system becomes unusable?
[10:39] <ActionParsnip> ive experienced it with everything from compiz to fluxbox
[10:41] <ActionParsnip> i have to restart x then I reboot just incase its ram related
[10:41] <ActionParsnip> im on a fully upgraded ibex 64bit
[10:46] <avoinea> hey guys !
[10:47] <avoinea> I have a problem with skype and my mic, any hints ?
[10:49] <JimFlint1> naught101: what do you want to do
[10:49] <ActionParsnip> avoinea: a bit more information would be nice..does the mic give sound to skype, oes talking make skype crash
[10:49] <naught101> something more flat
[10:49] <naught101> avoinea: skype test call service?
[10:50] <ActionParsnip> avoinea: we're good but we arent telepathic
[10:51] <avoinea> ActionParsnip: ok, sorry, well I called skype test call
[10:51] <avoinea> ActionParsnip: everything works but not the microphone
[10:51] <ActionParsnip> avoinea: does it work in other apps?
[10:51] <avoinea> ActionParsnip: I tried all the combinations
[10:51] <naught101> kde4 reminds me of windows ME
[10:51] <avoinea> ActionParsnip: like ?
[10:52] <ActionParsnip> avoinea: some basic sound recorder
[10:52] <avoinea> ActionParsnip: I don't know any other app that use the mic, sorry (new in ubuntu)
[10:52] <ActionParsnip> avoinea: a chat client
[10:52] <ActionParsnip> avoinea: its the same in any OS
[10:52] <ActionParsnip> avoinea: just load up some sound recording app and empty your lungs in its general direction
[10:53] <JimFlint1> naught101:have you had a look in "System Settings" Desktop - there is a setting in "Effects"
[10:53] <avoinea> ActionParsnip: ok, it doesn't work neither in Sound Recorder
[10:54] <ActionParsnip> avoinea: ok is the mic muted and mic boost cranked
[10:54]  * avoinea playing with sound settings
[10:55] <naught101> hrmmm
[10:55] <naught101> ok, thanks JimFlint1
[10:56] <ActionParsnip> avoinea: you dont have to paste in both rooms
[10:56] <popey> Hello. If someone installs Kubuntu 8.04, and upgrades to 8.10 - will they keep KDE 3.x or will they get KDE 4.x?
[10:56] <naught101> this isn't compiz, is it?
[10:56] <ActionParsnip> avoinea: it creates unnecessary traffic
[10:56] <ActionParsnip> popey: you'll get kde 4.1
[10:57] <popey> thanks ActionParsnip - is there no way to keep kde3 in 8.10? or is it no longer maintained?
[10:57]  * avoinea ActionParsnip: ok, moving to ubuntu room
[10:57] <ActionParsnip> popey: no idea personally, maybe someone else does
[10:59] <howtoo> hello. Is there possible to run if/else checks in .desktop files? i.e, if desktop-environment=gnome; do blabla; else if desktop-env=kde; do blabla
[10:59] <naught101> is there a newer set of kubuntu-kde4 packages anywhere?
[10:59] <howtoo> ?
[11:02] <dwidmann> naught101: newest is 4.1.3 in intrepid-backports
[11:03] <naught101> no 4.2 betas anywhere?
[11:04] <dwidmann> naught101: I don't think so, but I'll look around
[11:04] <ActionParsnip> naught101: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE
[11:05] <ActionParsnip> naught101: oops : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4
[11:05] <naught101> ActionParsnip: why?
[11:05] <ActionParsnip> naught101: November 25, 2008 Beta 1
[11:06] <ActionParsnip> naught101: its got the release dates
[11:06] <naught101> ok, then alphas :)
[11:06] <naught101> thanks
[11:06] <ct529> I would like to manually add the kde 4.1.3 to my ubuntu installation .... could anyone point me to the repository, so that I cann add it by command line? I have been searching for it for 20 min on wiki,ubuntu.com and it is very very frustrating
[11:07] <naught101> ct529: what version are you in?
[11:07] <ct529> naught101: ubuntu 804
[11:07] <naught101> kubuntu-kde4 I think
[11:07] <fernando_> holas
[11:08] <ct529> naught101: nope .... I am on ubuntu and would like to try kde 413 .... to see how stable it is before dcideing whther to switch
[11:08] <naught101> oh...
[11:08] <naught101> sorry
[11:08] <dwidmann> ct529: kubuntu-desktop-kde4 mayhap
[11:09] <naught101> guess you could just download them all from the intrepid-backports and use gkdebi
[11:09] <ct529> naught101: ????
[11:09] <ct529> naught101: I cannot spend the morning :)
[11:09] <ct529> naught101: there has to be a respository somewhere! what does you adept say?
[11:09] <naught101> well then don't do it. there probably aren't packages for hardy
[11:09] <ct529> s/you/your
[11:10] <apadox>  hi, can omeone help me .. i can't connect to a wireless network that have no encription on and i can connect normaly via windows xp
[11:10] <naught101> ct529: just add the intrepid-backports report, install those packages, then remove the repo
[11:10] <dwidmann> ct529: it's one of the ppa repositories, let me fetch a link
[11:10] <ct529> dwidmann: this is the one thanks ....!
[11:11] <naught101> heh... I already have kde 4.1.3.. painful
[11:11] <dwidmann> ct529: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu hardy main
[11:12] <bendie> Hi everybody! Are there plans to fix the translation issues with kubuntu 8.10? The kubuntu-kde4 packages for 8.04 were translated completely to German while in 8.10, I got a complete mess...
[11:12] <ct529> naught101: why?
[11:12] <ct529> dwidmann: thanks a lot!
[11:13] <dwidmann> bendie: I have no idea ... maybe someone in #kubuntu-de might know
[11:13] <naught101> ct529: because that is 4.0.3, not 4.0.13
[11:13] <ct529> naught101: in what sense? they have not done enough bug fixing?
[11:13] <naught101> oh, it's painful because it's got far less features than kde 3.5.6
[11:14] <naught101> or even most versions of windows
[11:15] <dwidmann> naught101: the changes to the core of kde were pretty major ... it's just taking time, that's all.
[11:15] <ct529> naught101: slowly getting there probably .... I used 405 for w hile, it looked pretty good to me
[11:16] <naught101> dwidmann: I know, and I'm excited about kde eventually be useful, but it shouldn't be at 4.0 yet - it's not a complete DE
[11:16] <dwidmann> naught101: looks like koffice will suffer from similar effects, it won't be up to snuff until at least 2.2
[11:16] <naught101> it's still a beta, or an RC at best
[11:16] <dwidmann> naught101: more users = more developers = faster development = more features/stability = more users = more developers ....
[11:16] <ct529> dwidmann: did you have a go at the last one
[11:17] <naught101> sure, but just promo 4.0-beta more
[11:17] <dwidmann> ct529: at the last what?
[11:17] <bjaimes> hi
[11:18] <bjaimes> i not sapeak inglish
[11:18] <bjaimes> i speak spanish
[11:18] <dwidmann> !spanish
[11:18] <ct529> dwidmann: koffice
[11:18] <bjaimes> ok thank
[11:19] <christian_> got problems with static ip conf. which entries do i have to set (address, netmask, gateway, network; anything else?) pakage <resolvconf> is installed
[11:20] <dwidmann> ct529: I tried the most recent beta ... found it pretty crashy. From what I've read several apps won't even be included in the 2.0 release, including kexi and kspread
[11:22] <ct529> dwidmann: :(
[11:22] <dwidmann> ct529: reason cited is that they're not stable enough ... pretty good reason ... though what kind of an office suite would release without a spreadsheet program?
[11:24] <dwidmann> ct529: others will have features disabled which are known to be unstable ... which of course begs the question if you know something's broken ... why not take as much time as needed to fix those parts rather than rush a release ... oh well
[11:25] <christian_> got problems with static ip conf. which entries do i have to set (address, netmask, gateway, network; anything else?) pakage <resolvconf> is installed
[11:28] <tdn> I have tried using Kiosk Admin Tool to generate a restricted profile. Then I have rsync'ed this profile to /home/user/.kde, but now that user cannot log in. Do I need to do more than that?
[11:31] <dwidmann> christian_: humm, you're not using knetworkmanager for it are you? I think static ip in it is broken (just need to check that)
[11:31] <ct529> dwidmann: I agree .... I would rather have a later release than a broken release
[11:31] <ct529> dwidmann: oh well .... I have to go! thanks a lot and see you later!
[11:32] <dwidmann> ct529: first release after the lts ... it's going to be a little broken
[11:32] <dwidmann> oh, wait, sorry
[11:32] <dwidmann> I'm confusing my conversations :s
[11:35] <naught101> how do I resize the folderview applet?
[11:36] <naught101> nevermind...
[11:38] <dwidmann> I have a funky little window titled "unnamed" that xkill won't :\
[11:38] <apadox> can someone help me with my network cards
[11:38] <apadox> i can't connect to wireless but i can on my xp
[11:38] <apadox> i can see all networks normaly
[11:41] <dwidmann> apadox: I would check this first:
[11:41] <dwidmann> !wireless | apadox
[11:42] <apadox> dwidmann but it is wierd .. i can't connect even on wired
[11:43] <apadox> and everything works on kubuntu on wired on other router
[11:43] <dwidmann> apadox: really? Hmm, dhcp or static?
[11:43] <apadox> i tried both .. but via gui
[11:43] <apadox> look at this
[11:43] <apadox> http://www.pastedump.com/paste/145
[11:43] <dwidmann> apadox: try something like "sudo dhclient eth0"
[11:44] <apadox> has both networks .. shows like network 1 is connected but it's gataway is <IP_ADDRESS> not 1.1
[11:44] <apadox> i must go reboot so can you tell me some more stuff to try dwidmann
[11:45] <dwidmann> apadox: my money is on dhclient working, but we'll see
[11:46] <apadox> brb
[11:51] <yao_ziyuan> my ubuntu in macosx look (without the docker): http://i37.tinypic.com/j94xg7.png
[11:53] <dwidmann_> Hrm, I wonder if there's a way to figure out what process is associated with a window
[11:55] <SlimeyPete> dwidmann_: there must be, because xkill must do just that in order for it to kill the process
[11:55] <SlimeyPete> it might involve a kernel procedure call of some kind though
[11:55] <dwidmann_> SlimeyPete: problem is, xkill can't kill it
[11:55] <SlimeyPete> ah
[11:56] <dwidmann_> SlimeyPete: any bright ideas on how to kill it? It's not a zombie, and the window has no name
[12:00] <apadox> hai
[12:00] <apadox> nothing came from dhclient
[12:00] <SlimeyPete> dwidmann_: no, sorry - xkill is always my last resort
[12:00] <SlimeyPete> I've never seen it fail
[12:01] <waylandbill> I woke up to find my filesystem had run out of space. The .xsession-errors had grown to 132GB. It is possible to automatically prune this file?
[12:01] <Wharfedale2007> HI there, how can i adjust webcam? if im streaming it
[12:01] <Wharfedale2007> im using firefox
[12:01] <Wharfedale2007> its streamed using flash
[12:01] <Wharfedale2007> cant find any settings at all
[12:02] <Wharfedale2007> wondering if kubuntu has an option for cam settings
[12:02] <apadox> dwidmann http://www.pastedump.com/paste/146
[12:05] <ilham> Hello
[12:08] <dig> waylandbill: do you know what errors cause?
[12:08] <Kw4h> good afternoon
[12:09] <apadox> ok my problem .. i can't connect to wireless (no ecnrypt) and i cant connect to wired network  ( same wireless and wired router work on windows) and wired network works on other routers  this is lshw net and dhclient eth0 http://www.pastedump.com/paste/146
[12:12] <dwidmann_> apadox: did "sudo dhclient eth0" work?
[12:12] <apadox> no
[12:12] <apadox> look at dump
[12:12] <apadox> ok my problem .. i can't connect to wireless (no ecnrypt) and i cant connect to wired network  ( same wireless and wired router work on windows) and wired network works on other routers  this is lshw net and dhclient eth0 http://www.pastedump.com/paste/146
[12:12] <apadox> ups
[12:12] <dwidmann_> apadox: is the wired "eth0"?
[12:12] <apadox> last line
[12:12] <apadox> yes
[12:14] <dwidmann_> hrm, that's odd, dhclient's output looked like it worked ...
[12:14] <dwidmann_> it said "bound to <IP_ADDRESS> -- renewal in 97727 seconds."
[12:14] <apadox> but it didn't
[12:15] <apadox> my router is <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:15] <apadox> dwidmann_ strange
[12:16] <dwidmann_> apadox: what does "ip address show eth0" say?
[12:16] <apadox> i must reboot
[12:16] <apadox> but i gtg now ..
[12:16] <apadox> do you have some msnger i can contact you later?
[12:16] <dwidmann_> bye then
[12:17] <dwidmann_> yeah
[12:17] <matisse> hi
[12:17] <dwidmann_> hi
[12:17] <apadox> i supose i will catch you here
[12:17] <apadox> by
[12:17] <matisse> is there a list of issues when upgrading from 7.10 to 8.04 ?
[12:17] <dwidmann_> bye
[12:17] <dwidmann_> matisse: shouldn't be
[12:18] <matisse> f.e. there's no firefox icon anymore
[12:18] <dwidmann_> matisse: even the upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10 was surprisingly smooth
[12:18] <matisse> or beep-media-player is old
[12:18] <dwidmann_> matisse: oh?
[12:19] <Kw4h> ok. My lan cable is connected, but kubuntu lan manager says "state: disconnected"
[12:19] <matisse> ok, first one is solved
[12:20] <Kw4h> ifup doesn't do anything, neither does iwconfig eth0 up
[12:21] <Kw4h> it's not defined in /etc/network/interfaces
[12:21] <vlt> Hello. When I open Konqueror in file browser mode I don't always see all files listed in the directory. I have to press F5 to refresh. Any idea how to fix this?
[12:23] <dwidmann_> Kw4h: kde 4.1's knetworkmanager seems to be giving people trouble. I recommend trying something other than it.
[12:23] <Kw4h> hmm, time for manual config then :)
[12:25] <Kw4h> yeah manual config did the trick
[12:26] <Kw4h> btw, when the bluez4 thing gets integrated in kubuntu (kde-workspace), how long will it take before it will be offered as a patch?
[12:37] <ilham> hi. how to make photo slide into DVD format (play in dvd player)
[12:42] <ActionParsnip> ilham: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=375039
[12:43] <ilham> ActionParsnip: I'll check
[12:46] <ilham> ActionParsnip: ehm command line. actually my wife ask me, she want to make dvd from photo. is there simple app out the
[12:48] <ActionParsnip> im seeing if there is a gui for it, doesnt look hard
[12:49] <matisse> after upgrading from 7.10 to 8.04 firefox' missing the flash plugin. where do I find the plugin.so file ?
[12:50] <ActionParsnip> matisse: sudo find / -name *.so | grep flash
[12:50] <matisse> :P
[12:51] <matisse> you're right, i should have tried it. But is there a list of "old programs". I have been asked if I want to delete "old programs" when upgrading
[12:52] <matisse> maybe flash is such a program too
[12:52] <ilham> ActionParsnip: I didn't find any GUI apps for make photo slide to DVD/VCD. any help?
[12:52] <ActionParsnip> ilham: http://www.stevenbrown.ca/blog/archives/333
[12:53] <ActionParsnip> ilham: that may help
[12:59] <waylandbill> When I upgraded to intrepid, I lost my IDE cd writer. Did something change in the kernel to cause this? I can't find it in the dmesg
[13:00] <asociacija> hello..please tell me how to play m2ts format? if i try to play it with VLC only sound is..
[13:00] <OxDeadC0de> waylandbill have you installed all the updates? I know the kernel has been updated once since the intrepid release
[13:03] <LjL> uhm... just double checking, is there Bluetooth support in Kubuntu 8.10?
[13:04] <waylandbill> OxDeadC0de: yes. I have all the latest
[13:04] <waylandbill> perhaps it's now in a module that I need to modprobe?
[13:07] <waylandbill> interestingly, the id-scsi is present in 2.6.24 but not 2.6.27
[13:07] <waylandbill> ide-scsi
[13:12] <arsham> hi all
[13:15] <waylandbill> I can't find any kernel modules that could be loaded to make the ide cdrom appear. :-/
[13:15] <OxDeadC0de> yup I'm missing ide-cd and ide-scsi as well
[13:22] <OxDeadC0de> waylandbill what if you do "modprobe cdrom" , anything?
[13:23] <waylandbill> yes. it loads and shows 0 devices using it.
[13:24] <OxDeadC0de> waylandbill hmm, you can look in /lib/modules/2.6.27-8-generic/kernel/drivers/ata , see if maybe you need one of those loaded?
[13:25] <waylandbill> 2.6.27-8.. hmm... mine is showing 2.6.27-7.
[13:25] <OxDeadC0de> oh I use backports, that's why
[13:25] <OxDeadC0de> er, no 2.6.27-8 is in proposed not backports
[13:25] <waylandbill> but I did a full upgrade this morning using aptitude and it didn't mention that kernel, not even to be held back.
[13:25] <waylandbill> ok :)
[13:27] <waylandbill> I'll just start loading them one by one.
[13:27] <OxDeadC0de> ^^ gl hope it works :/
[13:31] <Serva> Hello. I am trying to install kubuntu hardyheron on my hp notebook
[13:31] <Serva> and after clicking install kubuntu - it is getting stopped at initramfs prompt
[13:32] <OxDeadC0de> Serva try it with noapic and or noacpi options at boot
[13:32] <Serva> It is some BusyBox v1.1.3 built in shell
[13:32] <OxDeadC0de> oh never mind
[13:33] <Serva> what should I do
[13:33] <OxDeadC0de> does loading it regular like a live cd work? and can you not install it from the live-cd environment?
[13:34] <waylandbill> OxDeadC0de: looks like the module I need is pata_atiixp and it was loaded at system startup
[13:35] <Serva> I just finished installing kubuntu on my ibm thinkpad t61 without any problems
[13:35] <OxDeadC0de> waylandbill it won't hurt to try loading ata_generic too , at least, it shouldn't
[13:36] <waylandbill> loaded that... saw something interesting in the dmesg around the loading of pata-atiixp though..
[13:36] <OxDeadC0de> Serva find an error message (boot without quite and without splash), use dmesg to print out the kernel log in the shell, shift+page up to scroll up
[13:36] <OxDeadC0de> try to narrow it down
[13:37] <OxDeadC0de> waylandbill ?
[13:37] <waylandbill> ata2 is my hard drive and it was up.. ata1 must be the cd drive and it claims link down. Status 0 SControl 300
[13:38] <waylandbill> the bios knows it is there though, so it's not a hardware failure as far as the bios knows.
[13:45] <Serva> there is nothing I can do.. it is just falling off the installation, into this busybox
[13:46] <mado> hi gals and guys :)
[13:47] <mado> i wanted to ask you if you know anything new about "adept" and "search"-problems
[13:47] <mado> i still have my problems with adept ...
[13:47] <mado> it doesn't show me all the results that are possible
[13:47] <Machtin> hey guys.. what's the format to calculate a sum in speedcrunch? i can't find how to give sum() its parameters
[13:53] <mado> for example ...
[13:53] <mado> i looked for "plas*" ...
[13:54] <mado> it doesn't show me all results
[14:03] <OxDeadC0de> mado I personally prefer to use a terminal and aptitude search plas
[14:03] <mado> OxDeadC0de: :) yeah ... somebody from another room also suggested this method
[14:04] <mado> i still hope that the graphical way will work soon ...
[14:04] <mado> for example ... my father isn't so good at non-graphical stuff where you have to write commands :)
[14:05] <OxDeadC0de> point taken, wel, if you don't mind the extra overhead, you can install synaptic , it works well
[14:05] <Envite> Hello all
[14:05] <OxDeadC0de> well*
[14:05] <Envite> Are there any way of downloading Kubuntu Intrepid Ibex in DVD? (preferably jigdo)
[14:06] <mado> synaptic works but adept doesn't? ...
[14:07] <mado> what kind of strange universe is that? :)
[14:07] <mado> Envite: ... there is a kubuntu dvd ... yes
[14:08] <mado> but via jigdo-thing ... i don't know
[14:09] <OxDeadC0de> one where gnome is the officially maintained environment, and kde is well.. living in a gnome world? :P
[14:09] <Envite> mado: I do not care being exactly the jigdo-way, but I do not want to install BitTorrent just for that
[14:10] <mado> Envite: ... is this something for you? -> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/current/
[14:10] <mado> me? ... well ... i don't know from which universe i come from ...
[14:10] <mado> i only know that this isn't my "earth prime" :)
[14:11] <mado> OxDeadC0de: do you suggest that i should use "gnome" ?
[14:11] <Envite> mado: thanks, seems to be :)
[14:11]  * Dr_willis is using gnome.
[14:11] <Dr_willis> :P
[14:12] <mado> you're welcome Envite
[14:12] <OxDeadC0de> Mado naw, use what you want, I like kde better myself but for customers when I install lin on their computers i will be putting gnome on, until I'm satisified kde is stable enough and the bugs are all gone
[14:12] <Envite> mado: don't say to anybody, but it is not for me... I'd prefer Debian hard-way
[14:12] <Envite> ;)
[14:13] <Dragonath> how do I find out if I have kde4 installed?
[14:13] <mado> Dr_willis: :)
[14:14] <mado> *because you use gnome* ...
[14:14] <mado> erm ... wasn't there a way to install gnome and kde?
[14:14] <OxDeadC0de> dragonath type "kde" into a console, hit tab twice, if kde4 shows at the top.. you have it
[14:14] <Envite> mado: there is one
[14:14] <mado> gnome-desktop-environment ?
[14:15] <mado> this should be the package i guess
[14:15] <Envite> just install a standard kubuntu and the apt-install gnome-desktop environment (if you prefer to use KDM)
[14:15] <OxDeadC0de> mado I have them both.. started out with regular ubuntu, then did apt-get install kde-desktop
[14:15] <Envite> or reversely if you prefer GDM
[14:15] <OxDeadC0de> er, kubuntu-desktop I mean
[14:15] <mado> :)
[14:15] <OxDeadC0de> if you want to switch between kdm and gdm just do "sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm"
[14:16] <mado> or "sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm" if i want to use kdm again?
[14:16] <OxDeadC0de> nope
[14:16] <Envite> mado: no
[14:16] <OxDeadC0de> it brings up a menu that lets you switch
[14:16] <Dragonath> OxDeadC0de: and if I don't I need to install the official kde package from adept?
[14:16] <Envite> just reconfiguring gdm gives you teh option of select which XDM to use
[14:17] <OxDeadC0de> dragonath if you want it - kubuntu-desktop
[14:17] <mado> and where can i choose the option?
[14:17] <mado> before starting-up?
[14:17] <Envite> in the gdm setup itself
[14:17] <mado> uhuu :)
[14:17] <Envite> while you are installing it
[14:17] <Dragonath> OxDeadC0de: ok thanks
[14:18] <mado> well ... here's the thing ... i want to install gnome and see how it looks like at the moment ... i don't want the standard-programs that come with ubuntu to be installed because i have already installed some of the programs i like
[14:18] <OxDeadC0de> someone who maintains ubuntu should really add "OnlyShowIn=GNOME;XFCE;" to /etc/xdg/autostart/nm-applet.desktop and OnlyShowIn=KDE for knetworkmanager-autostart.desktop
[14:18] <mado> and as far as i know there shouldn't be a problem using this programs with gnome
[14:20] <Envite> mado: tehre are no problems using gnome programs in KDE nor KDE programs in gnome
[14:20] <mado> :)
[14:21] <Envite> I have both complete desktops
[14:21] <OxDeadC0de> mado I have both, and use programs from both in kde, shouldn't really make a huge difference wether you use kde or gnome - except for certain core features like keyring unlocking, autoremount of ssh shares when they come unmounted for any reason except explicitly, stuff like that may not work
[14:21] <Envite> I work in kde and usually use some gnome apps
[14:21] <Envite> and there is no problem
[14:22] <Envite> I recommend you to install them both complete, if you have enough space
[14:22] <mado> OxDeadC0de: sorry ... i don't understand what that means ... but i guess i haven't used these things before
[14:22] <mado> so ... what package should i install?
[14:23] <OxDeadC0de> Envite:  I have music stored on my ssh server, I play it over wifi with my laptop.. but ssh disconnects on it's own every 10 minutes or so. When i run with gdm and gnome + rhythmbox, it automatically remounts it when it fails, but when I use kdm+kde+rhythmbox , it fails to remount the server again - and I have to unlock the keyring each time for it to even mount the server
[14:24] <OxDeadC0de> so i end up using a bash script i made to automount the server and keep it mounted, checking every 20 seconds to make sure it's still mounted, so it appears the files are all local
[14:24] <Envite> heh
[14:24] <Envite> OxDeadC0de: have you tried to activate the keep-hot packages in ssh?
[14:24] <mado> boah ... dear guys and gals ... sometimes i really think that i should visit some of you ...
[14:25] <mado> the things you're talking about sound great
[14:26] <Dragonath> if I just install the kde4 package it should take care of installind kde4 right?
[14:26] <OxDeadC0de> nvr heard of keep-hot, but I use fedora 7 on my server, don't want to change distro's because it's HEAVILY customized, like everything I do, and it took a really freakin long time to install/configure everything it uses
[14:27] <OxDeadC0de> dragonath if you do sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop it will get everything you need..
[14:27] <Dragonath> adept shows I have that installed already
[14:27] <Envite> OxDeadC0de: is a standard ssh option
[14:27] <Dragonath> I am using kde3.59 or whatever it was right now
[14:27] <Envite> OxDeadC0de: -o TCPKeepAlive
[14:29] <Envite> and a shorter ServerAliveInterval
[14:29] <mado> gnome-desktop-environment ? ... is this the package i should install?
[14:30] <OxDeadC0de> I'll try it
[14:30] <mado> or is it this one -> gnome-core ?
[14:30] <Envite> mado: nop
[14:30] <Envite> gnome-core is just the inner core of gnome
[14:30] <Envite> the things without which you can not run gnome at all
[14:30] <mado> oh!
[14:30] <Envite> the complete gnome is "gnome"
[14:31] <mado> complete means what?
[14:31] <DaSkreech> Gnome has a core?
[14:31] <bazhang> ubuntu-desktop
[14:31] <OxDeadC0de> mado I think you want "ubuntu-desktop" package? no?
[14:31] <Envite> and gnome-desktop-environment is the complete-with-extensions-and-such
[14:31] <DaSkreech> if I remove that would the rest of Gnome go away as well?
[14:31] <mado> i just need gnome ... no software that comes with it ... like firefox or something like that because i already have firefox installed
[14:31] <DaSkreech> !gnome
[14:31] <DaSkreech> hmm
[14:31] <Envite> DaSkreech: it depends on if you're using aptitude or apt
[14:32] <DaSkreech> Envite: well if i remove kdelibcs4c2a then all of KDE goes with it
[14:32] <Envite> mado: gnome does not come with firefox
[14:32] <Envite> DaSkreech: yes
[14:32] <DaSkreech> I don't know a way to do that with gnome except to pick out all the little peices and remove them
[14:32] <DaSkreech>  Quite annoying
[14:33] <DaSkreech> mado: Yeah Pidgin and Firefox are not Gnome apps all reports to the contrary
[14:33] <OxDeadC0de> daskreech well everything gnome is based off gtk+ (Gimp Tool Kit), so if you remove the core libs, they should all go
[14:33] <Envite> DaSkreech: if using aptitude the removing the biggest package causes the remaining ones to be "unneeded" and the removed too
[14:33] <DaSkreech> OxDeadC0de: Sweet :) about time :)
[14:34] <DaSkreech> the "biggest" package ?
[14:34] <Envite> yes, the package which has the dependences on all the others
[14:34] <Envite> gnome-desktop-environment depends on gnome
[14:34] <Envite> gnome depends on gnome-core
[14:34] <OxDeadC0de> the metapackage that links them all together, or the library package that they all rely on
[14:35] <Envite> gnome-core dependes on the libraries, etc
[14:35] <Envite> so the biggest is gnome-desktop-environment since nobody depends on it
[14:35] <Envite> OxDeadC0de: the meta
[14:36] <OxDeadC0de> easier to think of it like a hierarchy - which it is
[14:36] <OxDeadC0de> remove the head of the snake, the body dies   , er
[14:36] <Envite> but the pieces of the body who are needed by OTHER heads will not be removed
[14:36] <OxDeadC0de> lol
[14:36] <Envite> so if you installed GIMP by hand
[14:37] <Envite> removing gnome will NOT remove GTK
[14:38] <OxDeadC0de> 1/2 liter of vodka and me do not mix :~
[14:39] <mado> thank god you said snake and not ... erm ... cockroach :)
[14:39] <mado> yuk!
[14:39] <mado> sorry ...
[14:40] <Envite> not english, don't know what a "cockroach" is
[14:40] <natschil> hello
[14:40] <mado> erm ... what is your mother-tongue?
[14:40] <OxDeadC0de> envite: Little black bugs with hard shells that are said to be able to survive nuclear blasts and get into all the food and breed like crazy
[14:40] <natschil> how do I change global shortcuts for kde4
[14:40] <natschil> =
[14:40] <natschil> i meant : ?
[14:40] <mado> Kakerlake ... for example is the german word
[14:40] <Envite> mado: spanish
[14:41] <Envite> OxDeadC0de: thx
[14:41] <mado> spanish ... erm ...
[14:41] <bazhang> cucaracha
[14:41] <Envite> ok, cucarachas :)
[14:41] <natschil> how do I change global kdeyboard shortcuts in kde4?
[14:41] <DaSkreech> Why are cucarachas female?
[14:41] <DaSkreech> natschil: system settings
[14:42] <natschil> I can't change the global shortcuts though
[14:42] <Envite> DaSkreech: most flying bugs are in spanish
[14:42] <mado> Envite: -> la cucaracha
[14:42] <DaSkreech> Envite: Ha! that's cute :)
[14:42] <mado> oh ... it is already written
[14:42] <DaSkreech> mado: :)
[14:42] <mado> DaSkreech: :)
[14:42] <OxDeadC0de> la cucaracha la cucaracha ya no puede caminar porque no tiene porque le faltan las dos patitas de atras
[14:42] <mado> yeah?
[14:43] <mado> :))
[14:43] <mado> can you Envite please translate this?
[14:43] <ubuntu_> hi
[14:43] <DaSkreech> !hi
[14:44] <ubuntu_> lol thanks
[14:44] <ubuntu_> what is this
[14:45] <OxDeadC0de> a chat room for technical support for kde based ubuntu
[14:45] <ubuntu_> im from argentina..and u guys//
[14:45] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: A support room. If you have any questions about Kubuntu then you can ask them here
[14:45] <DaSkreech> If you would just like to talk about any and anything please join #kubuntu-offtopic
[14:45] <ubuntu_> aaa ok....
[14:46] <DaSkreech> You can join by clicking on the blue words or typing /join #kubuntu-offtopic
[14:46] <Envite> OxDeadC0de and mado: I think translating that is matter for -offtopic too ;)
[14:47] <mado> Envite: you can write me the translation privately :)
[14:47] <mado> but if you want to tell us ...
[14:47] <OxDeadC0de> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Cucaracha has translations :P
[14:47] <mado> really?
[14:48] <Envite> but translated it losess all its interest :)
[14:48] <mado> Envite: well ... not really ... now i know what this is all about ...
[14:49] <mado> although ... i have to translate the english sentences again :)
[14:49] <mado> but my head and my dictionary do that for me :)
[14:49] <Copelia> !fr
[14:50] <mado> i'm not french :) but thanks for showing this :)
[14:53] <natschil> !fi
[14:53] <mado> what is this about?
[14:54] <mado> are you doing this on purpose?
[14:56] <syock> do you need to be root to use QEMU
[14:57] <Envite> bye!
[14:57] <OxDeadC0de> syock I don't think you do
[14:58] <syock> OxDeadC0de: If I don't, will I be able to use networking?
[14:58] <OxDeadC0de> syock I don't see why not
[14:58] <arash> Hi, just swapped over from Ubuntu to Kubuntu by overwriting i on the system. I have problem with sound, it just ain't working. Anyone know if this problem is frequent?
[14:58] <Dragonath> kde 4.0.3 isn't the latest version is it?
[14:58] <Dragonath> how do I upgrade?
[14:59] <mado> kde 4.1 or something like that is the latest as far as i know
[15:00] <mado> 4.1.3
[15:00] <OxDeadC0de> dragonath what distro are you using?
[15:00] <Dragonath> 8.04 I think
[15:01] <Dragonath> I'm not sure because no package manager offers me an upgrade to 8.10
[15:01] <DaSkreech> arash: how not working?
[15:01] <DaSkreech> !kde4 | Dragonath
[15:01] <DaSkreech> Dragonath: Do you want to be on 8.10 ?
[15:02] <Dragonath> DaSkreech: I thought I would like a shot yes
[15:02] <DaSkreech> !upgrade | Dragonath this might help
[15:02] <Dragonath> ok thanks
[15:03] <OxDeadC0de> dragonath if you have gnome type into a terminal update-manager -d, that will upgrade you
[15:03] <arash> DaSkreech - No sound is coming ... It worked fine under Ubuntu
[15:03] <DaSkreech> arash: Only for KDE apps or for all apps?
[15:03] <arash> hmm, I only tried KDE apps I think, i'll check
[15:03] <arash> hmm, what non-KDE-app makes sound :P ?
[15:04] <mado> ?
[15:04] <DaSkreech> mplayer ?
[15:04] <mado> vlc?  :)
[15:04] <Dragonath> OxDeadC0de: I have kde, that's why I am asking this here :P
[15:05] <mado> Dragonath: do you have some problems with sound? ... type alsamixer in the terminal ...
[15:05] <arash> mado I do have problem with sound :p
[15:05] <DaSkreech> !sound
[15:05] <mado> ok then ... arash ... type alsamixer in the terminal
[15:06] <Dragonath> mado: nah sound works alright
[15:06] <mado> maybe you have the same problem i had
[15:06] <arash> mado ok, some graphical bars pop up in the terminal
[15:06] <graingert> some videos on the web show a kwin 3d cube
[15:06] <graingert> where can I get this feature?
[15:06] <mado> is there one of this things down to zero?
[15:06] <JontheEchidna> graingert: you will have to wait for KDE 4.2
[15:06] <arash> mado yea
[15:07] <graingert> JontheEchidna: suck; will this be backported to ibex
[15:07] <Dragonath> actually right now I would be happy if I got kde 4.1.3 installed and all the old kde3 apps that have been replaced go away
[15:07] <arash> and some things dont have a bar
[15:07] <matisse> Is it still possible to just copy a plugin file into the plugin directory of firefox to enable that plugin ? With ff 2 it worked, but whats with ff 3 ?
[15:07] <JontheEchidna> graingert: 4.2 packages will probably be made available for Intrepid, yes
[15:07] <matisse> And if, where do I find the directory. I have 4 dirs with 2 plugins in it but not the current working ones..
[15:07] <mado> that's ok ... i guess ... i saw the same thing on my computer
[15:08] <DaSkreech> graingert: No if it hasn't been done already. KDE 4.2 will be put out for Ibex you can upgrade to tit
[15:08] <graingert> JontheEchidna: no, only 9.04 http://ohioloco.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=962627 (scroll to bottom)
[15:08] <DaSkreech> Dragonath: A note is there is no KDE3 for Ibex so if you need KDE3 apps you may want to hang on Hardy for a while
[15:08] <mado> try to set all things to 100 or something high ... then check again ... that's what i did :)
[15:08] <DaSkreech> 4.1.3 is a bugfix update nothing ew or remotely exciting unless Kopete crashes on you all the time
[15:09] <JontheEchidna> graingert: yes, we did backport the feature for KDE 4.1.3 and removed it
[15:09] <DaSkreech> matisse: technically yes and its in your profile dir
[15:09] <graingert> fickle
[15:09] <JontheEchidna> graingert: but Intrepid will get KDE 4.2.x packages similarly to how Hardy got KDE 4.1.x packages
[15:09] <graingert> JontheEchidna: oh ok
[15:09] <Dragonath> right, ok, how do I change the color of the taskbar in kde4?
[15:10]  * JontheEchidna afk
[15:10] <OxDeadC0de> dragonath themes
[15:10] <mado> i'll be back
[15:10] <Dragonath> ok thanks
[15:11] <arash> mado nah, didnt help
[15:13] <arash> how do i speak with ubottu in private without it giving GNOME hints?
[15:14] <syock> Is there a VM that can be downloaded, unpacked and used right away?
[15:15] <arash> Virtual Machine?
[15:15] <syock> Yes
[15:15] <syock> QEMU wants me to unpack in /, so I can't use it
[15:15] <courtjesterg> i don't think linux is regonizing my cd/rewrite drive only the cd-rom can anyone help? My bios has it detected
[15:16] <courtjesterg> can anyone help out
[15:16] <arash> !sound
[15:17] <graingert> is there an oxygen-esque theme for qt3 apps on qt4?
[15:17] <DaSkreech> syock: how are you installing qemu ?
[15:17] <DaSkreech> arash: try /msg ubottu yum
[15:18] <courtjesterg> my sound disappears alot too
[15:18] <arash> DaSkreech , well then wont it just tell me GNOME-hints?
[15:18] <DaSkreech> courtjesterg: Does it turn up in lshw ?
[15:18] <DaSkreech> arash: It'll tell you whatever you want
[15:18] <courtjesterg> i don't know what Ishw is.
[15:19] <DaSkreech> courtjesterg: A command that lists all your hardware
[15:19] <syock> DaSkreech: just unpacking in user dir. That's the only privilege I have.
[15:19] <courtjesterg> ok run it is the terminal console
[15:19] <graingert> autostarting pulseaudio -D fails to work
[15:19] <dromer> hi all, I;m having some trouble getting dvd-support to work in kaffeine, I get a notice to run sudo /usr/share/doc/kaffeine/install-css.sh but after I install it it doesn't work ... or do I need to restart my entire computer for it to work?
[15:19] <graingert> how should I go about doing this?
[15:20] <DaSkreech> syock: Ah. and you want to compile it?
[15:20] <nyad> /s irc.linuxfromscratch.org
[15:21] <nyad> /server irc.linuxfromscratch.org
[15:21] <courtjesterg> thats alot of crap
[15:21] <DaSkreech> syock: Then when you configure it put --prefix=/path/to/dir/you/can/writeto
[15:21] <DaSkreech> courtjesterg: Sorry :)
[15:21] <syock> DaSkreech: I have to? The homepage provides a prebuilt one. Looks like I have to compile one after all
[15:21] <DaSkreech> dromer: shouldn't have to
[15:22] <nyad> meh. how do I change server?
[15:22] <DaSkreech> syock: oh no what is it prebuilt as ?
[15:22] <dromer> DaSkreech: hmmm, wel kaffeine still gives me the notice
[15:22] <DaSkreech> logout and back in?
[15:23] <dromer> DaSkreech: did that
[15:23] <dromer> maybe I'll try rebooting then :/
[15:23] <syock> DaSkreech: It defaults to /usr/local. It cannot change working directory.
[15:23] <syock> I considered using chroot, but since I can't sudo, that's impossible either
[15:24] <DaSkreech> syock: prebuilt would do that
[15:24] <DaSkreech> syock: Do you have compiling tools installed/
[15:24] <courtjesterg> i should just let someone take over my desktop and instal a bunch of stuff that works lol
[15:25] <syock> DaSkreech: I don't, and I don't think I plan on compiling. I don't really recall the exact directory on that PC.
[15:25] <syock> Now I remember: that library PC had VMWare installed. Maybe I'll try that instead
[15:25] <courtjesterg> thats a good business idea chargeing people for linux system set ups
[15:26] <courtjesterg> they pay a fee in paypal and get to work
[15:26] <DaSkreech> genii-around: No you aint
[15:26] <genii-around> DaSkreech: Boo!
[15:26] <DaSkreech> genii-around: I'll be right back with a clean pair of shorts
[15:29] <courtjesterg> no i see no cd/rewrite in th ebash
[15:29] <courtjesterg> i see cdrom thats it don't even see my floppy drive
[15:29] <courtjesterg> but they show up in bios
[15:30] <dromer> DaSkreech: weird, works now :/
[15:30] <courtjesterg> still wonder though on my 2.0 usb it never works with usb 2.0 not even in wwindows
[15:30] <courtjesterg> it is enabled in my bios too odd
[15:30] <dromer> stupid, you should really only have to reboot on linux if you have a kernel update :/
[15:31] <DaSkreech> dromer: You didn't have to reboot
[15:32] <delicowa> hi yall
[15:32] <courtjesterg> courtjesterg@courtjesterg-desktop:~$ lshw
[15:32] <courtjesterg> WARNING: you should run this program as super-user.
[15:33] <courtjesterg> courtjesterg-desktop
[15:33] <courtjesterg>     description: Computer
[15:33] <courtjesterg>     width: 32 bits
[15:33] <courtjesterg>   *-core
[15:33] <courtjesterg>        description: Motherboard
[15:33] <courtjesterg>        physical id: 0
[15:33] <courtjesterg>      *-memory
[15:33] <courtjesterg>           description: System memory
[15:33] <courtjesterg>           physical id: 0
[15:33] <courtjesterg>           size: 511MiB
[15:33] <courtjesterg>      *-cpu:0
[15:33] <courtjesterg>           product: AMD Athlon(tm) MP 2200+
[15:33] <courtjesterg>           vendor: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]
[15:33] <courtjesterg>           physical id: 1
[15:33] <courtjesterg>           bus info: cpu@0
[15:33] <Dr_willis> Time to learn to pastebin
[15:33] <courtjesterg>           version: 6.8.0
[15:33] <courtjesterg>           size: 1800MHz
[15:33] <courtjesterg>           width: 32 bits
[15:33] <courtjesterg>           capabilities: fpu fpu_exception wp vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mp mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow
[15:33] <courtjesterg>         *-cache:0
[15:33] <courtjesterg>              description: L1 cache
[15:33] <courtjesterg>              physical id: 0
[15:33] <courtjesterg>              size: 128KiB
[15:33] <courtjesterg>         *-cache:1
[15:33] <courtjesterg>              description: L2 cache
[15:33] <courtjesterg>              physical id: 1
[15:33] <courtjesterg>              size: 256KiB
[15:33] <courtjesterg>      *-cpu:1
[15:33] <courtjesterg>           product: AMD Athlon(tm) MP
[15:33] <courtjesterg>           vendor: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]
[15:33] <courtjesterg>           physical id: 2
[15:33] <DaSkreech> courtjesterg: You are going to get kicked
[15:33] <genii> courtjesterg: Stop flooding!
[15:33] <courtjesterg>           bus info: cpu@1
[15:34] <courtjesterg>           version: 6.8.0
[15:34] <courtjesterg>           size: 1800MHz
[15:34] <courtjesterg>           width: 32 bits
[15:34] <courtjesterg>           capabilities: fpu fpu_exception wp vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mp mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow
[15:34] <courtjesterg>         *-cache:0
[15:34] <courtjesterg>              description: L1 cache
[15:34] <courtjesterg>              physical id: 0
[15:34] <courtjesterg>              size: 128KiB
[15:34] <DaSkreech> delicowa: Hi
[15:34] <courtjesterg>         *-cache:1
[15:34] <courtjesterg>              description: L2 cache
[15:34] <courtjesterg>              physical id: 1
[15:34] <courtjesterg>              size: 256KiB
[15:34] <courtjesterg>      *-pci
[15:34] <courtjesterg>           description: Host bridge
[15:34] <genii>  /msg chanserv op #kubuntu #kubuntu
[15:34] <genii> courtjesterg: Stop flooding!
[15:34] <DaSkreech> !paste | courtjesterg
[15:36] <dromer> aarg, but now X doesn't see my other screen :S (a tv attached to the composite out of my geforce2mx)
[15:36] <dromer> DaSkreech: what else was there? logging out didn't work
[15:36] <Guest2166> hello, when i launch firefox, it appears in the menubar, but disappears again and often does not start.. I also get log-offs on my account without any reason, can someone help me please!!! :s
[15:36] <DarkTan> what is the command to run dolphin as root?
[15:37] <DaSkreech> dromer: restart the X system I would suspect.
[15:37] <dromer> DaSkreech: well, my X is Fed now :/
[15:37] <Lokiase> hello, when i launch firefox, it appears in the menubar, but disappears again and often does not start.. I also get log-offs on my account without any reason, can someone help me please!!! :s
[15:37] <DaSkreech> Rebooting restarts all the systems. You just need to find which one needed to restart manually
[15:37] <DaSkreech> Lokiase: Start firefox from the command line
[15:37] <OutoLumo> DarkTan, sudo dolphin?
[15:37] <dromer> I can play dvd's in kaffeine, but X isn't extended to my tv anymore :/
[15:38] <DaSkreech> DarkTan: kdesudo dolphin
[15:38] <DaSkreech> !kdesudo | OutoLumo
[15:38] <DarkTan> thx
[15:38] <Lokiase> DaSkreech: it give me segmenterror
[15:38]  * DarkTan writes that on his monitor
[15:38] <DaSkreech> Lokiase: something is wrong with your extensions
[15:38] <OutoLumo> ty :-)
[15:39] <DarkTan> thanks again
[15:39] <Lokiase> DaSKreech, how can I find 'something' and fix it? :s
[15:39] <dromer> ah, kernel-update .. see how that goes and maybe fix some things -_-
[15:40] <Lokiase> can someone help please? firefox isnt working and my systems logs off whole the time
[15:41] <Dr_willis> 'whole the time'    You mean ALl the time?
[15:41] <Dr_willis> are the 2 problems related?
[15:41] <Lokiase> yes, i'm sorry :)
[15:41] <Lokiase> I don't know
[15:41] <Lokiase> only know that when I solve one prob ;)
[15:41] <Dr_willis> ie: you use firefox.. it crashes and kicks you back to KDM login? or does it  take you back without using firefox?
[15:42] <Lokiase> KDM login
[15:42] <Lokiase> its possible it is firefox indeed
[15:42] <Lokiase> never payd attention when i was kicked out
[15:42] <Lokiase> because its always unexpected :p
[15:43] <Relyc> i hate to jump in the middle of the conversation
[15:43] <Lokiase> i've just relnstalled firefox
[15:43] <Lokiase> but that doenst solve the problem
[15:43] <Dr_willis> 'reinstalling' is windows thinking
[15:43] <Dr_willis> reinstalling did not change the users settings, or anything really. :)
[15:44] <Relyc> gotta a quick ? about my sound card
[15:44] <Dr_willis> test #1 - make a new user - see if  the problem also affects them Lokiase .
[15:44] <Lokiase> I don't know, because its not all the time
[15:44] <Lokiase> and.. my personal files are in this account :s
[15:45] <Dr_willis> Lokiase,  as i said this is a TEST.
[15:45] <Dr_willis> If the new user is not affected.. then its points to a firefox/extensoon/setting issue..
[15:45] <Lokiase> but at this moment
[15:45] <dromer> hmmmz, kernel-update didn't fix my X problem :/
[15:45] <Dr_willis> if the new user IS affected.. then it points to a firefox/driver issue
[15:45] <Lokiase> ok
[15:45] <Lokiase> how do I create a new user :s
[15:46] <syock> Dr_willis: lol'd at your comment "windows thinking". btw, even windows program are starting to become reinstall-resistant nowadays
[15:46] <Dr_willis> sudo adduser billgates
[15:46] <Dr_willis> syock,  good old 'repair'  feature that never works
[15:47] <Dr_willis> syock,  i recall some  apps that  would NOT uninstall - if i was in low-color mode under windows.. I had to fix the video card drivers befor i could clean out  a system once..
[15:47] <Lokiase> ok
[15:47] <Lokiase> made the user
[15:47] <Lokiase> and now?
[15:47] <Lokiase> log out
[15:47] <Lokiase> and login
[15:47] <Lokiase> and testing?
[15:47] <Dr_willis> yes.
[15:47] <Lokiase> ok
[15:47] <Dr_willis> Logical Eh :)
[15:47] <dromer> anyone an idea why suddenly X doesn't see my tv? :/
[15:47] <syock> Dr_willis: gone are the good old days. Not that I want to go back tho
[15:47] <Relyc> hey doc
[15:47] <Lokiase> i will come back (suggesting that logoff wil kick me out of this session? ) :p
[15:48] <Dr_willis> X 'sees the tv'  - you meean your system no longer detecets the tv video out as a device/monitor?
[15:48] <dromer> Dr_willis: yes, sorry
[15:49] <Dr_willis> dromer,  and what video card?
[15:49] <Relyc> i have a weird problem if i install the graphic accel for my vcard my sound card stops working
[15:49] <dromer> Dr_willis: geforce2mx, it worked until I rebooted for kaffeines dvd-playing to work
[15:49] <dromer> :/
[15:50] <Jampiter> Hi
[15:50] <Dr_willis> dromer,  i would try reinsatlling the nvidia drivers.
[15:50] <Dr_willis> it may be using the nv drivers
[15:51] <Jampiter> I need a help - What's the name of the package that makes GTK applications use the KDE4/QT widgets?
[15:51] <Relyc> everythign works great until i turn on the accel once it installs it stuff my sound card stops and i have to reinstall the gui
[15:51] <MisterL> back
[15:51] <MisterL> I did the test, firefox isnt working in the testaccount
[15:51] <dromer> Dr_willis: hmmm, how would that happen? anyway, nvidia-settings was not giving trouble about the wrong drivers, normally it does that
[15:51] <dromer> Dr_willis: how do I best reinstall the nvidia drivers ?
[15:52] <Dr_willis> dromer,  not sure.. theres been lots of kernel updates recently.. if yours is using the nvidia drivers.. perhaps ya just need to reconfiogure the xorg.conf again
[15:52] <Jampiter> Anyone?
[15:52] <dromer> Dr_willis: you mean run nvidia-xconfig?
[15:52] <Dr_willis> I just hooked up a 2nd monitor.. Ineed to restart X and see if i got it going..
[15:52] <Dr_willis> dromer,  yea.. shouldent hurt. I hope. :P
[15:52] <dromer> ok, lets see what happens now ..
[15:53] <Lokiase> Dr_willis, testaccount: firefox didn't work
[15:53] <Dr_willis> dromer,  i notice on some of my old machines - the tv MUST be hooked up when i boot up.. of the video card never seesit..
[15:53] <dromer> not working :/
[15:53] <dromer> it is
[15:53] <Dr_willis> Lokiase,  so its always crashing as you use firefox then?
[15:53] <dromer> I mean, it was ;) hooked on and turned on
[15:53] <dromer> the tv flickrs a bit when I restart X
[15:54] <Dragonath> in kde4 how do I change the taskbar background color?
[15:54] <DaSkreech> Relyc: Ask
[15:54] <Lokiase> Dr_willis: firefox doesn't start, not in my account, not in the testaccount, and its possible the reason KDE crashes is firefox, but not sure bout that, when the firefoxprob is fixed, i can see if the logoff prob comes back...
[15:54] <Relyc> hey
[15:55] <Relyc> if i install the vcard accel  drivers my sound card stops working
[15:55] <vlt> Hello. When I open Konqueror 3.5.10 in file browser mode (on Kubuntu 8.04) I don't always see all files listed in the directory. I have to press F5 to refresh. Any idea how to fix this?
[15:56] <vlt> The problem only exists when opening directories that are on nfs mounted devices.
[15:56] <vlt> When a file on the nfs share is changed from the client machine itself, Konqueror immediately shows that change.
[15:56] <DaSkreech> Jampiter: try something-something engine
[15:56] <vlt> But not when a file is changed from another client or on the nfs server itself. Is there a mount option to switch on "notifying"?
[15:56] <DaSkreech> gtk-qt or qt-gtk I never recall which is which
[15:57] <dromer> Dr_willis: hmmm, when I tell nvidia-settings to detect screens the tv also flickers .. somehow it still doesn't see it :/
[15:57] <Jampiter> Thanks DaSkreech
[15:58] <Dr_willis> dromer,  let me pastebinit my xorg.conmf for my tv out/pc
[15:58] <Lokiase> [16:54] <Lokiase> Dr_willis: firefox doesn't start, not in my account, not in the testaccount, and its possible the reason KDE crashes is firefox, but not sure bout that, when the firefoxprob is fixed, i can see if the logoff prob comes back...
[15:58] <Dr_willis> dromer,  http://pastebin.com/f395d72b5
[15:59] <dromer> Dr_willis: hmmm, I'm not in X right now (another problem I have with X is my screen gets a resolution of only 640x280, but that's not related .. I think)
[16:00] <glkasleg> where do I change setting for default file browser. I want konqueror insted of Dolphin
[16:00] <dromer> Dr_willis: I'm starting firefox now on my x-session, but I can't really compare anything due to the small resolution
[16:01] <DaSkreech> glkasleg: in Konqueror -> settings -> configure Konqueror -> file associations -> inode -> swap Dolphin for konqueror
[16:01] <dromer> Dr_willis: but still, I'm not sure how I can compare our xorg.conf since nvidia-xconfig completely highjacks it
[16:01] <glkasleg> DaSkreech: thanks
[16:01] <Lokiase> can someone please solve my firefoxprob :s
[16:01] <DaSkreech> Lokiase: run firefox --safemoge
[16:01] <DaSkreech> mode
[16:02] <Lokiase> segmentation error
[16:02] <Lokiase> again
[16:03] <DaSkreech> Lokiase: may want to join irc.mozilla.org and ask in #firefox
[16:03] <DaSkreech> I'd suggest purging firefox but then I have no idea what you might lose
[16:05] <Lokiase> purging?
[16:05] <Lokiase> lose?
[16:05] <dromer> DaSkreech: .firefox would not be removed
[16:05] <DaSkreech> dromer: What?
[16:05] <dromer> or would it?
[16:06] <dromer> .firefox/ the folder with all the user-data
[16:06] <stdin> dpkg doesn't touch ~/
[16:06] <dromer> so
[16:06] <dromer> so what is there to be lost