[06:46] <intelikey> bob_ changes in fstab  affect new mounts only.   i.e. you can edit it all day but until the mount command is called for a fs listed in fstab nothing changes.     to test fstab,  close anything accessing the fs and   sudo umount /mountpoint ;sudo mount /mountpoint
[06:46] <proxie> It's a simple hard drive ... although it has WIndows data on it (in NTFS format)
[06:47] <proxie> I just know next to nothing about how to go about getting it mounted.
[06:47] <intelikey> bob_ also the example i gave will mount automatically at boot time.
[06:47] <jebuskrist> proxie: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[06:47] <proxie> I installed "NTFS-config" from the adept manager, but when I click on it to start the application ... nothing comes up
[06:48] <jebuskrist> i know its not supported here but i used automatix to get mine working
[06:48] <intelikey> !ntfs-3g | proxie
[06:48] <ubotu> proxie: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[06:48] <jebuskrist> intelikey: i already linked em...
[06:48] <bob_> intelikey: That's what I want to do. ntfs-3g isn't necessary for that, right?
[06:49] <intelikey> bob_ writing to ntfs....   yeah kinda.
[06:49] <bob_> intelikey: Because I didn't need it on any of the previous dual boot setups, although as stated, there are some slight differences.
[06:49] <intelikey> bob_ and you didn't break windows ?
[06:49] <proxie> intelikey: what is the "!ntfs-3g" ... is that a command?
[06:49] <Qb_Master> ya jebuskrist they won't help me there
[06:49] <intelikey> proxie bot call.  ubotu answered  ^
[06:49] <brianw> jebuskrist: please do not refer people to #gentoo.
[06:49] <proxie> AH, got ya
[06:49] <Qb_Master> they "support strictly gentoo"
[06:49] <jebuskrist> brianw: sorry :(
[06:50] <brianw> jebuskrist: no worries
[06:50] <bob_> Nope
[06:50] <jebuskrist> well thats not a very friendly thing they always helped me out
[06:50] <brianw> Qb_Master: what is the problem?
[06:50] <Qb_Master> well I had to install my own wireless driver using ndiswrapper
[06:50] <Qb_Master> it says the driver's installed now
[06:50] <Qb_Master> but
[06:50] <brianw> eww
[06:50] <Qb_Master> wlan0 is still not showing up
[06:50] <Qb_Master> (ya I know I had no choice)
[06:50] <intelikey> bob_ if you like "russian rulet"  don't use ntfs-3g
[06:50] <brianw> iwconfig wlan0
[06:51] <Qb_Master> no such device
[06:51] <Qb_Master> it shows up in an lspci though
[06:51] <bob_> intelikey: Ok, thanks. I'll have to fix that on my friends' systems, I guess.
[06:51] <brianw> Qb_Master: is ndiswrapper loaded? lsmod | grep ndis
[06:51] <Qb_Master> ndiswrapper           185820  0
[06:51] <Qb_Master> usbcore               134280  4 ndiswrapper,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd
[06:51] <Qb_Master> appears so
[06:52] <Qb_Master> I think that means it's loaded
[06:52] <brianw> Qb_Master: aye
[06:52] <brianw> Qb_Master: iwconfig
[06:52] <jebuskrist> anyone here running 64bit Kubuntu?
[06:52] <brianw> Qb_Master: any ifaces showing wireless extentions?
[06:52] <jack-> question: i solved the doesnt-even-boot-up thing, was just the fact that nvidia dropped support for old chips like my laptop-ge4..nv works, without opengl/glx though
[06:52] <Qb_Master> lo - no wireless extensions && eth0 - no wireless extensions
[06:53] <jack-> but now i have the same thing with the sound
[06:53] <Qb_Master> (I'm on eth0 atm, which is wired)
[06:53] <Darkkish> I want to configure my 5 button mouse
[06:53] <jack-> does anyone know which update could have killed my sound?
[06:53] <crimsun> jack-: too vague.  What does /proc/asound/cards show?
[06:53] <jebuskrist> jack have you made sure its not muted?
[06:53] <jebuskrist> and the correct card is selected
[06:54] <jack-> yup
[06:54] <Qb_Master> brianw: nope
[06:54] <jebuskrist> i have my onboard sound disabled via bios yet linux still picks it up so i have to select the audigy2
[06:54] <Qb_Master> no ifaces showing wireless extensions :(
[06:54] <Darkkish> where is the xorg again?
[06:54] <jack-> crimsun: jack# cat  /proc/asound/cards
[06:54] <jack->  0 [I82801DBICH4   ] : ICH4 - Intel 82801DB-ICH4
[06:54] <jack->                       Intel 82801DB-ICH4 with ALC202 at 0xd0000c00, irq 10
[06:54] <bob_> jack-: Did you try nvidia-glx-legacy?
[06:54] <jebuskrist> xorg.cong?
[06:54] <jebuskrist> orr xorg.conf
[06:54] <intelikey> jebuskrist yeah linus doesn't care much for bios
[06:54] <jack-> bob_ yes, works but glx still doesnt show up
[06:54] <jack-> back to nv for now :x
[06:54] <bob_> Ouch
[06:55] <brianw> Qb_Master: ndiswrapper -l
[06:55] <jack-> seems like i need some odd driver revision inbetween
[06:55] <crimsun> jack-: now pastebin `amixer`  (http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org)
[06:55] <jebuskrist> Darkkish: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:55] <Qb_Master> netrtlx : driver installed
[06:55] <Qb_Master> ^
[06:55] <Darkkish> jebuskrist tthanks
[06:55] <jebuskrist> np
[06:55] <intelikey> i have an "unsupported" nvidia card too
[06:55] <jebuskrist> i have a supported 7900GT PCI-E card
[06:56] <jebuskrist> which is almost 100% useless in linux :D
[06:56] <_4strO> !theme
[06:56] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[06:56] <Qb_Master> haha jebuskrist I know that -- I have the 7950GT PCI-E
[06:56] <Qb_Master> :P
[06:56] <jebuskrist> a fine card that is :D
[06:56] <Qb_Master> doesn't get much use here in Linux
[06:56] <Qb_Master> ooh yeah :)
[06:56] <brianw> Qb_Master: rmmod ndiswrapper && modprobe ndiswrapper && dmesg|tail -n10
[06:56] <jebuskrist> i only keep window around for games
[06:56] <jebuskrist> windows^
[06:57] <jack-> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24362/
[06:57] <jack-> looks ok to me :x
[06:57] <brianw> Qb_Master: then paste the tail of dmesg
[06:57] <Qb_Master> here?
[06:57] <crimsun> jack-: amixer set 'External Amplifier' mute
[06:57] <jebuskrist> i suppose i'll back all my stuff up tomorrow format and reinstall both OS' :(
[06:57] <brianw> Qb_Master: no, to a pastebin
[06:57] <Darkkish> why do i always get errors when i open a file using kate?
[06:57] <Qb_Master> lolk
[06:57] <Qb_Master> 1 moment - gotta get my pizza lol
[06:58] <jebuskrist> Darkkish: what error?
[06:58] <jebuskrist> oh and are you running it as root?
[06:58] <jack-> crimsun: done, gave me some crackling in the speakers
[06:58] <Darkkish> jebuskrist: device error
[06:58] <jebuskrist> @_o
[06:58] <Darkkish> Failed to open device
[06:58] <Darkkish> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169
[06:58] <crimsun> jack-: aplay /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav
[06:59] <jebuskrist> that stumps me
[06:59] <jebuskrist> but im a noob its not hard to do
[07:00] <intelikey> hmmmm some days ya just can't win.
[07:00] <jack-> crimsun: nothing audible ;x problem is: gui apps like noatun dont just play silently, they seem to play 100x faster too
[07:00] <Darkkish> how do i configure my 5 button mouse?
[07:00] <jebuskrist> oh and some ice to both :D
[07:00] <Qb_Master> :P
[07:00] <jack-> time position bar gets through a 80minutes techno set in less than 5 seconds
[07:00] <Qb_Master> okay I'm goin to pastebin now
[07:00] <jebuskrist> no idea Darkkish
[07:01] <Qb_Master> lmao :P
[07:01] <jebuskrist> thats probably 5 seconds too long then :(
[07:01] <intelikey> !mouse | Darkkish
[07:01] <ubotu> Darkkish: Enabling extra mouse buttons: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto  - Enabling serial mouse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto
[07:01] <jebuskrist> just kidding :D
[07:01] <jack-> crimsun: doesnt even matter which backend i configure my arts to use (alsa, oss, esd)
[07:01] <jebuskrist> lol serial mouse :D
[07:02] <Darkkish> thanks intelikey...
[07:02] <Qb_Master> http://paste.uni.cc/16124
[07:02] <Qb_Master> br
[07:02] <Qb_Master> er
[07:02] <Qb_Master> brianw: there ya go :)
[07:02] <jebuskrist> i think the thing i like most about linux is that i can sit on a fresh un-updated install and not get slammed by 300000000 viruses in a span of 5 minutes
[07:02] <intelikey> jack- try alsa  it's a little cleaner...
[07:03] <brianw> Qb_Master: still no wlan0 in iwconfig ?
[07:03] <jack-> intelikey: i know, thanks, but that doesnt give me my sound back ;p
[07:03] <Qb_Master> nope :(
[07:03] <brianw> Qb_Master: is it a usb wifi card?
[07:03] <Qb_Master> no, PCI
[07:03] <brianw> Qb_Master: wierd
[07:03] <brianw> Qb_Master: get a real card, an atheros based one :)
[07:04] <Qb_Master> haha well here's the thing
[07:04] <Qb_Master> it works in Windows, and on Dapper Drake
[07:04] <Qb_Master> (Kubuntu 6.06)
[07:04] <jack-> anyone else seen that sound problem after updating kde to 3.5.7?
[07:04] <intelikey> jack- i must defer to crimsun on sound issues.   he's the man.
[07:04] <Qb_Master> but not in 7.04
[07:04] <brianw> I would still get a native card if it is pci
[07:04] <Qb_Master> atheros?
[07:04] <jebuskrist> brianw: im not sure if this has any bearing on Qb_Master's situation but i had a Belkin F5D7000 he has the F5D5000 with the RTL8180L chipset mine i believe had the RTL8187L chipset and i couldnt get *nix or doze to use realtek's modules nor drivers
[07:05] <jebuskrist> the ONLY thing that used and recognized the card in windows was Belkin's own drivers
[07:05] <Qb_Master> lol I have indeed had a lot of problems with this card
[07:05] <jebuskrist> Qb_Master: i've learned to stay away from Belkin's gear
[07:05] <Qb_Master> *installing it anyways
[07:06] <Qb_Master> hm, you're not the 1st to tell me that lol
[07:06] <Qb_Master> 2nd person in 2 days that told me belkin is bad...
[07:06] <brianw> Qb_Master: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833156168
[07:06] <jebuskrist> i bought the F5D7000 because it used the linux supported chip or so i thought until nothing but their own windows drivers picked it up and used it then it kept dropping ever minute or two
[07:06] <brianw> Qb_Master: I use that in my router
[07:06] <Qb_Master> k
[07:06] <intelikey> Qb_Master belkin = eval     count now at 3.
[07:07] <Qb_Master> haha
[07:07] <Qb_Master> well I like my belkin router
[07:07] <jebuskrist> Qb_Master: sell it to some unsuspecting windows loving noob @_@
[07:07] <Qb_Master> never had any problems with it
[07:07] <brianw> Qb_Master: also this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833156165
[07:07] <Qb_Master> amazing seeing as it fell off a truck
[07:07] <Qb_Master> :P
[07:07] <jebuskrist> fell off a truck P
[07:07] <jebuskrist> :P
[07:07] <Qb_Master> haha ya I might do that
[07:07] <Qb_Master> it did lmao
[07:07] <brianw> Qb_Master: I am just saying that I use that to act as an AP in my linux router
[07:07] <Qb_Master> wound up at a warehouse
[07:07] <brianw> Qb_Master: it works well
[07:07] <Qb_Master> that my brother worked next to
[07:07] <Qb_Master> k
[07:08] <Qb_Master> grr I hate wireless internet
[07:08] <jebuskrist> Qb_Master: i was a thug in my old days which is how i got to where i am now so i know what fell off the back of a truck is :P
[07:08] <Qb_Master> haha sweet
[07:08] <jebuskrist> disclaimer: dont take that as an endorsement for being a thug hood gangster gangsta or so on
[07:08] <Qb_Master> if you guys can avoid it -- do not get wireless internet :P
[07:08] <brianw> Qb_Master: I have used both of those cards, and they use the atheros chipset which has a native driver: madwifi
[07:08] <Qb_Master> i c
[07:09] <elementrus86> hey again
[07:09] <elementrus86> lol
[07:09] <elementrus86> how can I get my iPod to show up when I plug it in
[07:09] <Qb_Master> I just don't have $38.28 right now :(
[07:09] <brianw> Qb_Master: no need to muck about w/ ndiswrapper...
[07:09] <jebuskrist> im using on "onboard" USB card using the RTL8187L chip straight out of the box no problems
[07:09] <elementrus86> nothings happening when I plug it in
[07:09] <brianw> Qb_Master: the other is 25 bucks
[07:09] <Qb_Master> hell, I barely have 10
[07:09] <jebuskrist> elementrus86: can you put it in mass storage mode so it shows up like a hard drive?
[07:09] <brianw> Qb_Master: cut some lawns
[07:09] <elementrus86> umm havent tried that
[07:09] <jebuskrist> or ask me for tips on thuggery, just kidding
[07:10] <Qb_Master> I would, but everybody here is rich and has riding lawn mowers :P
[07:10] <Qb_Master> (except me)
[07:10] <Qb_Master> get this one
[07:10] <jebuskrist> Qb_Master: so sabotage the mowers and start yourself a nice lil repair business :D
[07:10] <brianw> Qb_Master: ask for donations, say you are going to Washington DC for a summer trip. heh
[07:10] <Qb_Master> haha jebuskrist
[07:10] <Qb_Master> get this: I'm in a tiny spot of "the middle of nowhere"
[07:10] <Qb_Master> literally, tiny
[07:10] <intelikey> !rockbox | elementrus86
[07:10] <ubotu> elementrus86: rockbox is an open source firmware replacement for audio players from Archos, iRiver, Apple (iPod), and iAudio. See http://www.rockbox.org/ to get started!
[07:10] <Qb_Master> 45 feet to my left
[07:10] <Qb_Master> there is DSL and Cable coverage
[07:11] <Qb_Master> about 300 yards to my right
[07:11] <Qb_Master> there is DSL and Cable coverage
[07:11] <Qb_Master> but on this hill there are 2 houses
[07:11] <jebuskrist> Qb_Master: out of curiousity where are you located :D
[07:11] <Qb_Master> one of them being mine
[07:11] <Qb_Master> haha Washington
[07:11] <jebuskrist> you sound like you might be my neighbor!
[07:11] <elementrus86> how do you turn your ipod into disk mode
[07:11] <jebuskrist> no idea
[07:11] <elementrus86> what buttons you press? i forgot
[07:11] <jebuskrist> i dont own one
[07:11] <Qb_Master> are you in Washington? lol
[07:11] <jebuskrist> nah..
[07:11] <Qb_Master> :P
[07:11] <jebuskrist> im in gods waiting room
[07:12] <Qb_Master> lol
[07:12] <jebuskrist> err florida
[07:12] <intelikey> !enter | Qb_Master & jebuskrist
[07:12] <ubotu> Qb_Master & jebuskrist: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[07:12] <jebuskrist> sorry intelikey :( i failed english
[07:12] <stumpleit> I installed ubuntu on my macbook pro but I am having trouble getting my ATI rad 1600 working can anyone send me a link?
[07:12] <Qb_Master> oh okay I'm sorry - old habit. On my old channel that was the only way to keep one's attention :P
[07:12] <intelikey> !ati | stumpleit
[07:12] <ubotu> stumpleit: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:12] <stumpleit> thanks
[07:13] <Qb_Master> intelikey: is that your bot?
[07:13] <intelikey> Qb_Master no.
[07:13] <Qb_Master> lolk
[07:14] <jebuskrist> same here Qb_Master im not used the the structured environment of *nix channels, im used to the chans where you have a half dozen kids pretending to be female with the other half that have no gender confusion issues trying to get n00ds out of the gender confused 35 year olds :D
[07:14] <Qb_Master> haha
[07:14] <Qb_Master> well we had slightly better standards than that :P
[07:14] <jebuskrist> yeah after i became op we did too :D
[07:15] <Qb_Master> I ran a large scripting channel on a small IRC
[07:15] <jebuskrist> i was part of a large scene hacking channel for game consoles
[07:15] <jebuskrist> along with the website and other related aspects
[07:15] <Qb_Master> lots of people talking about code, which required more than one line per explanation most of the time :P
[07:15] <Qb_Master> sweet
[07:16] <jebuskrist> ah for the days of the dreamcast....
[07:16] <Qb_Master> haha I got a friend who's on a ps3 hacking team
[07:16] <jebuskrist> nice, im thinking if we just want to chat we should probably join #kubuntu-offtopic
[07:16] <Qb_Master> hey brianw
[07:17] <bob_> Raising Skinny Elephants Is Ultimately Becoming tedious
[07:17] <Qb_Master> if I were to fetch the Kubuntu 6.06 driver and put it into 7.04
[07:17] <jack-> and i still need my sound back :x
[07:17] <Qb_Master> could I use it to run the card? Since the card worked in 6.06
[07:17] <jebuskrist> it wouldnt work due to version mismatches i believe
[07:17] <jack-> crimsun: afk? ;x
[07:17] <Rictoo> Guys, if i installed a program with apt-get, but I want to isntall the latest version of this app (which the repos don't have), can I compile from source? Will this update the old version I got with apt-get?
[07:17] <intelikey> bob_  :)    ok pastebin your fstab     (assuming that's still the issue)
[07:18] <Rictoo> Aka will copiling from source update the old app from apt-get?
[07:18] <Rictoo> Or do I need to apt-get remove first?
[07:18] <sthompson> Howdy all. I believe I have found a bug in KDE but I'm not sure if its just plain KDE in general or Kubuntu
[07:18] <bob_> Rictoo: I think you're best off uninstalling from apt
[07:18] <Rictoo> ok
[07:18] <jack-> Rictoo: dont apt-get remove
[07:18] <bob_> Then compiling
[07:18] <Rictoo> thanks
[07:18] <Rictoo> jack-: ?
[07:18] <Qb_Master> heh okay then
[07:18] <Qb_Master> I'll take that response as a "no"
[07:18] <Qb_Master> :P
[07:18] <Rictoo> compiling from source will update an app from a package?
[07:18] <jebuskrist> yeah thats the simple answer :D
[07:18] <Rictoo> that I isntalled eariler?
[07:18] <jack-> of course
[07:18] <sthompson> I've noticed that when I copy an open office writer or open office spreadsheet the desktop the icon becomes transparent
[07:18] <Qb_Master> actually it's the more complex and expensive answer
[07:18] <Rictoo> REALLY?
[07:19] <Rictoo> :O
[07:19] <crimsun> jack-: unload the sound drivers, erase the state file, reload snd-intel8x0
[07:19] <Rictoo> Are you absolutely sure?
[07:19] <Rictoo> like ABSOLUTELY? :\
[07:19] <Qb_Master> that resonse means I have to fork out $40 that I don't have for a new wireless card
[07:19] <intelikey> Rictoo you can compile and make a .deb   then the package manager will handle the update just fine.
[07:19] <Qb_Master> or just not use the internet on Linux any longer
[07:19] <Rictoo> intelikey: How do I make a deb?
[07:19] <sthompson> Can someone here test that for me?
[07:19] <jebuskrist> Qb_Master: question: what do you NEED in 7.04?
[07:19] <jack-> crimsun: sweet, thanks, and how do i unload the sound drivers and where's the state file?
[07:19] <Qb_Master> nothing. I was told to update...
[07:19] <Darkkish> Qb_you could for out the $12 for a 40ft Cat5 cable :D
[07:19] <Darkkish> that would solve alot of problems
[07:19] <Rictoo> intelikey: How do I compile to a deb?
[07:20] <Qb_Master> Darkkish lol yes I could - and prolly should
[07:20] <jebuskrist> well if you dont absolutely need 7.04 i'd just go back to 6.06
[07:20] <Minataku> I better head off to sleep
[07:20] <Minataku> Night, all
[07:20] <stumpleit> the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto arent working for me and aticonfig --inital is seg faulting can anyone help me?
[07:20] <jebuskrist> later Minataku
[07:20] <Minataku> Sorry for being a bit irritating earlier X3
[07:20] <jack-> [../../../src/audio_oss.c:188]  error: Can't open default sound device!
[07:20] <jack-> audio: No such file or directory
[07:20] <Darkkish> Qb_Master:  thats what i did.
[07:20] <intelikey> Rictoo i think there is an apt way to do that.    i'm not porficient in that field.    i just know i've seen it discussed in here.
[07:20] <jack-> mpg123's answer
[07:20] <jebuskrist> Qb_Master: sell the card to some unsuspecting windows noob and buy a cable :D
[07:20] <jebuskrist> irritating?
[07:21] <Qb_Master> haha I think I will
[07:21] <Minataku> jebuskrist: Before you were here
[07:21] <Minataku> ;3
[07:21] <Minataku> Heehee
[07:21] <bob_> intelikey: Well, I think I've reached an acceptable solution with the Windows partition. Regardless of which route I go, I'm not going to be able to set it up so that only a certain user can read/write from an NTFS drive, unless that one user is root, correct? (Sorry for the stilted wording, I can exert some effort and rephrase if necessary :-D )
[07:21] <Qb_Master> actually no I'll keep the card
[07:21] <Minataku> Sorry, night all X3
[07:21] <jebuskrist> ah :D you were cool with me
[07:21] <jebuskrist> nite
[07:21] <Qb_Master> I'll keep it so I can pick up on other peeps's wireless networks
[07:21] <Qb_Master> :P
[07:21] <intelikey> bob_ negitive.
[07:21] <sthompson> If someone can check the icon (bug) for me I'd appreciate it
[07:21] <jebuskrist> Qb_Master: i wouldnt do that :P
[07:22] <jebuskrist> too many people are getting busted for such these days
[07:22] <shachaf> bob_: They have RW for NTFS nowadays?
[07:22] <Qb_Master> that's not illegal if their network is unencrypted :P
[07:22] <shachaf> bob_: That shows how out of date I am.
[07:22] <Admiral_Chicago> shachaf: its stable
[07:22] <intelikey> bob_ uid=<users-uid>,dmask=022,fmask=133
[07:22] <Admiral_Chicago> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/write-support-for-ntfs
[07:22] <jebuskrist> true but you'll have to prove that in court :D
[07:22] <jebuskrist> and i assure you court isnt fun :D
[07:23] <Darkkish> Qb_Master:  yes it is
[07:23] <shachaf> Admiral_Chicago: That's impressive.
[07:23] <intelikey> bob_ then when it's mounted the "uid" will own everything on the fs.  and have full access.    like i said   man mount   and read up on  'file system specific' options
[07:23] <Qb_Master> why is it?
[07:24] <shachaf> Admiral_Chicago: Doesn't Vista have a new NTFS or something like that?
[07:24] <Qb_Master> lol I don't know for sure that it is or isn't
[07:24] <jebuskrist> vista is the devil
[07:24] <Darkkish> Qb_Master:  this guy was using a free coffee shop wifi and the po-po arrested him on the account that the coffee shop owner didn't know he was using it (though the coffee shop owner didn't knwo that was the law either)
[07:24] <Admiral_Chicago> shachaf: i don't follow vista, it is a PITA imho
[07:24] <Qb_Master> jebuskrist: agreed
[07:24] <Darkkish> just goes to show how corrupt some police can be Qb_Master (on account that the owner didn't care)
[07:24] <Qb_Master> lol
[07:25] <Qb_Master> I'd take my laptop and run
[07:25] <jebuskrist> Darkkish: im not sure if its illegal exactly but its your burden to prove you didnt commit a criminal act and that costs money and time
[07:25] <Qb_Master> all ya gotta go is make sure you're not giving out personal info and that your computer's MAC address has been altered :P
[07:25] <Admiral_Chicago> !offtopic
[07:25] <jebuskrist> its more hassle than its worth
[07:25] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[07:25] <jebuskrist> i assume you want us to take it to #kubuntu-offtopic?
[07:25] <bob_> intelikey: Ok, so just change this line: "/dev/hda1 /media/windows_partition auto users,atime,auto,rw,nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 0" to this: "/dev/hda1 /media/windows_partition auto users,atime,auto,rw,nodev,noexec,nosuid,uid=bob,dmask=022,fmask=133 0 0"?
[07:25] <intelikey> bob_   in a konsole  type;  man mount     hit /   and type;   uid=value and gid=value      hit enter.
[07:26] <Qb_Master> jebuskrist: that's true
[07:26] <bob_> intelikey: Ok, will do.
[07:26] <Qb_Master> :/ lol
[07:26] <bob_> Thanks a lot for sticking with me through all that. You've been a huge help
[07:26] <jebuskrist> Darkkish, Qb_Master if we want to debate such thing we should probably take it to #kubuntu-offtopic
[07:27] <intelikey> bob_  not  uid=bob  but uid=####    echo $UID  as bob to see  ####
[07:27] <Qb_Master> I'm there
[07:27] <Darkkish> Qb_Master:  not if they walk up to you and bust you
[07:27] <bob_> ohh, duh. I knew that earlier. heh
[07:27] <Darkkish> who do i talk to about recovering a lost password?
[07:27] <shachaf> bob_: I think uid= won't accept a username.
[07:27] <shachaf> bob_: You'll have to give it a user id ("id -u").
[07:28] <intelikey> shachaf  ^^^  echo $UID
[07:28] <Qb_Master> Darkkish:
[07:28] <Qb_Master> er
[07:28] <Qb_Master> Darkkish: we're in #kubunti-offtopic
[07:28] <Qb_Master> grr
[07:28] <Qb_Master> lmao you know
[07:28] <shachaf> intelikey: Is yours any better?
[07:28] <bob_> shachaf: Thanks
[07:29] <shachaf> intelikey: Mine is shell-independent.
[07:29] <intelikey> shachaf no just saying i already gave him that info.
[07:29] <_4strO> yahouuuu one more kubuntu in the nature :)
[07:29] <shachaf> intelikey: Oh, oops.
[07:29] <intelikey> set works too
[07:29] <shachaf> intelikey: Sorry, I didn't see your message.
[07:30] <intelikey> don't worry about it.   as long as we don't overload the user i approve of alternate ideas
[07:30] <_4strO> a friend ask me to reinstall his windows, i put a kubuntu too :)
[07:30] <intelikey> often mention other ways of doing   'blah'  myself
[07:30] <shachaf> intelikey: No, they're equally good.
[07:31] <shachaf> intelikey: But mine is more equally good than yours. :-)
[07:31] <intelikey> lol
[07:31] <jebuskrist> Darkkish: i had the same problem with my nick being stolen and they told me to just wait till and if it expire then jump on it and reclaim it
[07:31] <intelikey> more equal....  i'll have to remember that... :)
[07:32] <intelikey> hmmmm   2=2_8  but  2=10_2 is more equal     right ?
[07:34] <intelikey> ok i'm going to "reboot" to recover the half of my memory that MC=Midnight Commander   trashed and cant release...        i hate bugs!
[07:34] <shachaf> intelikey: No, wait.
[07:34] <intelikey> waiting
[07:34] <shachaf> intelikey: Why can't you just kill it?
[07:34] <intelikey> it's not running.  it's a memory leak.
[07:35] <shachaf> intelikey: Where's the memory?
[07:35] <Darkkish> jebuskrist: yeah but i've been waiting forever.
[07:35] <shachaf> intelikey: It doesn't make sense for it to keep on leaking after mc is dead.
[07:35] <intelikey> it ate up 100M  trying to save 125bite file that it only had group permission on.
[07:36] <intelikey> doesn't affect ide   only scsi disks
[07:36] <intelikey> real scsi,  not emulated    afik
[07:37] <intelikey> it's not still leaking.   it ate the ram  and the kernel thinks it's in use.
[07:37] <shachaf> intelikey: Is this really a kernel bug?
[07:37] <intelikey> nope
[07:37] <jebuskrist> Darkkish: 30 days or more?
[07:37] <intelikey> not unless it affect 2.4 and 2.6 kernels
[07:38] <intelikey> and mc can't save files with only group permissions     it should but it can't insted it eats tons of ram trying.
[07:39] <Darkkish> jebuskrist: it's been 32 weeks...
[07:39] <jebuskrist> wtf..
[07:40] <jebuskrist> i have no idea then Darkkish unless someone stole your pass and is logging in to keep it active
[07:40] <intelikey> shachaf i have no idea really.     just know i've tested it with 5 different kernels now,  all the same   it's hard to immagine a kernel bug spanning 2.4.12 --- 2.6.15
[07:41] <shachaf> intelikey: I don't see why that would happen.
[07:42] <shachaf> intelikey: Are you sure it was really killed?
[07:42] <intelikey> shachaf do i have dumb ass writen on my fore head or something ?
[07:43] <shachaf> intelikey: Sorry, just making sure.
[07:43] <shachaf> intelikey: This doesn't make sense.
[07:43] <siva> when i install any any packages from source, the error "configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables.". how can i resolve it
[07:43] <shachaf> intelikey: Can I reproduce this?
[07:43] <intelikey> shachaf what's more it eats about 35m per attempt to save the same file   until you run out of ram and OOMK takes over.
[07:44] <shachaf> intelikey: I have mc installed.
[07:44] <intelikey> shachaf if you have an scsi hd maybe
[07:44] <shachaf> intelikey: Oh.
[07:44] <shachaf> intelikey: You think it's a hardware problem?
[07:44] <intelikey> i can't reproduce it on ide disks on the same box
[07:44] <shachaf> intelikey: It doesn't happen with IDE?
[07:44] <shachaf> intelikey: Hmm.
[07:44] <intelikey> nope.
[07:46] <intelikey> get this.   it doesn't happen when i use the same app in the same system and save to an ide disk   it doesn't happen if i have user permission  and it doesn't happen if i dont have any permission  only if i  try to save to scsi disk and have only group permission.
[07:46] <shachaf> intelikey: That's...  (2) What's wrong with the command line?
[07:48] <Darkkish> intelikey: what?
[07:48] <shachaf> intelikey: I run X all the time, and never use a graphical file browser.
[07:50] <intelikey> shachaf you probably never used mc much...   if it didn't have this bug i'd still be singing it's praises...    it's not just a file browser.    it's my primary editor as well.
[07:50] <Darkkish> grrr
[07:50] <Darkkish> i cant figure out this damn mouse thing
[07:50] <shachaf> intelikey: Its editor is practically edit.com.
[07:50] <siva> when i install any any packages from source, the error "configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables.". how can i resolve it
[07:51] <shachaf> intelikey: Even if you don't like vi (which I do)/want to learn vi, there are better alternatives.
[07:51] <intelikey> shachaf no. it's not edit.com    has some common look and feel but not a lot.
[07:52] <intelikey> does tons of things that vim also does   but with a feel that i much prefer.
[07:52] <Admiral_Chicago> siva: you need build-essential
[07:52] <Admiral_Chicago> siva: you need build-essentials *
[07:52] <Admiral_Chicago> sorry spelled it wrong
[07:53] <intelikey> anyway.  that's about enough of my offtopicness.   anything else you want to ask before i go shachaf ?
[07:53] <Admiral_Chicago> siva: are you sure its not in the repos though
[07:53] <siva> how can i do this?
[07:53] <shachaf> intelikey: Nothing urgent, I'll see you when you get back.
[07:53] <siva> ya.. i am sure
[07:54] <intelikey> Admiral_Chicago no s
[07:54] <Admiral_Chicago> intelikey: i'll remember that
[07:54] <Admiral_Chicago> siva: install that package
[07:55] <^RiaN^> someone here have base64 encoder
[07:55] <^RiaN^> what linux tool that encoding base64
[07:56] <siva> i have installed gcc. but, i couldn't compile a basic c program. how can i reinstall gcc?
[07:56] <yknott> siva: what is the command you are using?
[07:56] <Jucato> siva: install the "build-essential" package. gcc alone might not be enough
[07:56] <siva> gcc siva.c
[07:57] <siva> ok. i will do
[07:57] <klobster> when a cd or flash disk is automounted how does it know where to mount to?
[07:58] <siva> thanks admiral and jucato
[07:58] <intelikey> that's the way i like to see memory used.                    -/+ buffers/cache:         11        238
[07:59] <intelikey> playing audio files talking on irc editing scripts...  and only 11 m used.
[08:00] <Admiral_Chicago> siva: did it work?
[08:00] <Jucato> (most probably it did :D)
[08:00] <Jucato> or hopefully...
[08:01] <siva> i am installing "build-essential" using apt-get. i hope this will work.thanks
[08:01] <jebuskrist> intelikey: thats what i like about linux :D
[08:03] <intelikey> jebuskrist one of many.    er  eplurabus unium
[08:03] <Ashex> anyone every had the issue of Xorg randomly restarting?
[08:03] <jebuskrist> english :)
[08:07] <pagan0ne> could someone help me to configure my new bluetooth usb dongle under 7.04?
[08:16] <pagan0ne> could someone help me to configure my new bluetooth usb dongle under 7.04?
[08:19] <intelikey> would someone pastebin the output of   "cat /proc/meminfo"   i need to see what a 2.6 kernel does, please
[08:20] <Darkkish> damnit
[08:20] <Darkkish> i still havn't gotten this mouse figured out.
[08:21] <intelikey> Darkkish all my mice have only two buts   i can't do any more than point you at the wiki       which i did...
[08:21] <Darkkish> well
[08:22] <Darkkish> i managed to bind my mouse wheel to the exact thign i want the other buttons to do
[08:22] <intelikey> heh
[08:23] <pagan0ne> intelikey: http://pastebin.ca/543833
[08:23] <jebuskrist> Darkkish: you ever get the feeling linux is trying to kill you
[08:24] <pagan0ne> jebuskrist: no, but it killed my dog once....
[08:24] <Darkkish> From old age, yes.
[08:24] <intelikey> thank you pagan0ne
[08:24] <pagan0ne> intelikey: np
[08:24] <pagan0ne> intelikey: had to show off some anyway, 4GB of DDR2 aint cheep :D
[08:24] <shachaf> intelikey: I'm curious -- why do you not run X?
[08:24] <Qb_Master> k well thanks for your help guys
[08:24] <Qb_Master> I'ma go do other crap now lol
[08:25] <jebuskrist> later :D
[08:25] <Qb_Master> :D
[08:25] <jebuskrist> pagan0ne: 4gb is pretty cheap :D
[08:25] <jebuskrist> only about $200
[08:25] <shachaf> intelikey: Is it to save resources?
[08:26] <Darkkish> Qb_Master:  what are you up to?
[08:26] <pagan0ne_reheati> jebuskrist: not the good stuff, its a tad bit more than that, but still i feel special now :D
[08:26] <Qb_Master> about to watch TV and study
[08:26] <jebuskrist> pagan0ne_reheati: are we talking OCZ ballistix etc?
[08:26] <ardchoille> shachaf: Actually, if you have the right apps, xorg isn't needed. You can surf the web, process email, chat, im, create/edit documents all without x.
[08:26] <Qb_Master> and Darkkish why the hell didn't you join the damn channel?
[08:26] <Qb_Master> I told you about it 10 times
[08:26] <Qb_Master> lol
[08:27] <shachaf> ardchoille: Sure, I was just curious.
[08:27] <Qb_Master> you missed good conversation
[08:27] <jebuskrist> calm down Qb_Master :P
[08:27] <Qb_Master> lol I'm calm :)
[08:27] <Qb_Master> haha
[08:28] <shachaf> ardchoille: With my WM, my urxvts are almost ttys.
[08:28] <Darkkish> Qb_Master:  which one?
[08:28] <jebuskrist> Darkkish: #kubuntu-offtopic
[08:28] <Darkkish> Qb_Master:  and when did you tell me?
 intelikey: Is it to save resources? <<< sorry was busy.    yes in part.  i just kinda grew out of the pointy clicky thingy     idk why.
[08:28] <Qb_Master> umm when they told us to go there b/c we were talking about the legality of cnxn'ing to wireless networks
[08:28] <Qb_Master> so I joined and told you to join
[08:29] <Darkkish> well i was trying to configure this damn mouse
[08:29] <Qb_Master> then he told you to join
[08:29] <Darkkish> i know exactally what the problem is
[08:29] <Qb_Master> then I reminded you to join
[08:29] <ardchoille> shachaf: Yeah. and I run screen+irssi+elinks+mutt+mc+$others and sometimes go weeks without xorg even running.
[08:29] <Qb_Master> then I noticed you to join
[08:29] <Darkkish> i just don't know what to do about it.
[08:29] <Qb_Master> then I told you again to join
[08:29] <Qb_Master> then I told you just now that you didn't join
[08:29] <jebuskrist> he was busy Qb_Master :)
[08:29] <Qb_Master> lol
[08:29] <pagan0ne_reheati> jebuskrist: ocz
[08:29] <jebuskrist> pagan0ne_reheati: that stuff isnt cheap :D
[08:29] <Qb_Master> anyways I g2g
[08:29] <shachaf> ardchoille: I use xmonad (http://xmonad.org/).
[08:30] <shachaf> ardchoille: Very minimal WM.
[08:30] <jordo23> Is there a way to save your KDE session without logging out and back in?
[08:30] <jebuskrist> Darkkish: whats the problem with your mouse maybe i can help you fix it?
[08:30] <shachaf> intelikey: It doesn't have any of the "pointy-clicky thingy".
[08:30] <intelikey> shachaf i don't do anything that requires a GUI really   i have a few vidios, not many, but i can watch them in the console...
[08:30] <intelikey> shachaf ?
[08:30] <ardchoille> jordo23: What's the point, the session will be saved when you log out and you will eventually ahve to log out anyway.
[08:31] <pagan0ne> jebuskrist: yeah you got that right
[08:31] <jordo23> ardchoille: Sometimes I have to restart X and it doesn't save....
[08:31] <shachaf> intelikey: With the framebuffer?
[08:31] <ardchoille> jordo23: Even if you save your session now, you can't "use" it until you log in, which means you had to log out and then the session will get saed anyway.
[08:31] <jebuskrist> pagan0ne: i had some corsair twinx total was about $600 in ram :D
[08:32] <intelikey> or svgalibs   either   i prefer svgalib and vlc
[08:32] <Darkkish> jebuskrist: my mouse buttons that should be bound to 6 and 7 are bound to 2 and 3
[08:32] <intelikey> shachaf ^
[08:32] <ardchoille> jordo23: Oh, ok. Well, you might want to find out why you're having to do that as it isn't normal.
[08:32] <jordo23> ardchoille: Not when X crashes from Cedega and stuff and has to be restarted...
[08:32] <Darkkish> (Aka I have 2 mouse2 buttons, and 2 mouse3 buttons
[08:32] <shachaf> intelikey: Why the "?"?
[08:32] <jebuskrist> hmm
[08:32] <ardchoille> lol @ cedega
[08:32] <jebuskrist> and xorg.conf isnt working for you?
 intelikey: It doesn't have any of the "pointy-clicky thingy".  <<<<  i don't follow ???
[08:32] <pagan0ne> jebuskrist: this is a match set of 4 1GB ddr2 800 OCZ sticks :p anyway back on topic, you know anything about bluetooth in linux?
[08:32] <jordo23> ardchoille: I laugh at it too sometimes :)
[08:32] <ardchoille> hehe
[08:32] <shachaf> intelikey: Sorry, I was referring to my messages to ardchoille.
[08:33] <shachaf> intelikey: I meant xmonad (http://xmonad.org/), the WM.
[08:33] <jordo23> ardchoille: you know what I mean though....sometimes X just freezes from that stuff...
[08:33] <Darkkish> jebuskrist: idk how to BIND keys in the xorg
[08:33] <jebuskrist> i'll stop drooling now :D
[08:33] <jebuskrist> Darkkish: its been so long i forgot how sorry :(
[08:33] <intelikey> shachaf that didn't seem to attach to anything, so i asked    ?       now i see.
[08:33] <jebuskrist> pagan0ne: sorry no, i dont own one bluetooth device
[08:34] <pagan0ne> jebuskrist: i do asof 4 hrs ago lol
[08:34] <ardchoille> jordo23: I have never had x freeze on me. But, then again, I do't use anything outside the official repos.
[08:34] <jebuskrist> lol..
[08:34] <jordo23> ardchoille: Ya...I see....I try new stuff a lot...
[08:34] <ardchoille> jordo23: Perhaps "you're" the reason x is freezing? Just my opinion, though.
[08:35] <shachaf> intelikey: I know of at least one previous tty/framebuffer user who switched to X+xmonad
[08:35] <pagan0ne> hes not running beryl is he? lol
[08:35] <jebuskrist> beryl was stable for me :D
[08:35] <jebuskrist> so was automatix
[08:35] <jebuskrist> THEN i decided i HAD to have 64bit kubuntu..
[08:35] <ardchoille> !automatix
[08:35] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[08:35] <jebuskrist> and i blew everything to hell and back
[08:36] <pagan0ne> automatix workes great for me, but i get alot of artifacts left onscreen from right click menus
[08:36] <pagan0ne> in beryl
[08:36] <intelikey> shachaf i may qualify as a "non-conformist"   don't really know...     i don't use partitions on my hd's    don't use a gui,  write my own  sysvinit system...    use linux exclusively and don't like vim or emacs....     the list is long actually....
[08:36] <jebuskrist> odd
[08:36] <jebuskrist> intelikey: you scare me :P
[08:36] <intelikey> lol
[08:36] <shachaf> intelikey: What do you mean, no partitions?
[08:37] <shachaf> intelikey: You install directly to /dev/hda (or sda)?
[08:37] <intelikey> what part of "no partitions"   do you not understand ?
[08:37] <intelikey> shachaf yes
[08:37] <shachaf> intelikey: Why?
[08:37] <intelikey> why not   :)
[08:37] <ardchoille> lol
[08:38] <jebuskrist> hes scary :P
[08:38] <ardchoille> intelikey: I like the way you think
[08:38] <shachaf> intelikey: And why your own sysvinit system?
[08:38] <jebuskrist> i'd kill someone to be able to run osx on my box natively legally :D
[08:38] <pagan0ne> i bet intelikey also doesnt beleave in backups....
[08:38] <shachaf> intelikey: I mean, no partitions I could understand, sort of.
[08:39] <jebuskrist> whats a backup?
[08:39] <intelikey> shachaf i got tired of rewriting all the sysv scripts...
[08:39] <shachaf> intelikey: But that's a lot more work.
[08:39] <ardchoille> shachaf: Perhaps intelikey has learned enough to have total control over the entire system.
[08:39] <jebuskrist> hes just that hardcore i guess
[08:39] <intelikey> but it's a one off   not an every update/install thing.
[08:39] <jebuskrist> that deserves a level of respect all its own
[08:39] <pagan0ne> ardchoille: intelikey is PART of the system
[08:39] <ardchoille> shachaf: A lot of work? pfft, that's what scripts are for.
[08:39] <pagan0ne> its developed its own consioncesness
[08:40] <ardchoille> lol
[08:40] <jebuskrist> lol
[08:40] <intelikey> pagan0ne i do run as init some times...
[08:40] <pagan0ne> rofl
[08:40] <jebuskrist> thats possible?
[08:40] <intelikey> yes
[08:40] <jebuskrist> i hope you dont take offense to this but, you sir are insane in a good sort of way :D
[08:40] <shachaf> intelikey: I noticed your /quit message, by the way. Are you from .il?
[08:41] <intelikey> in fact i can login as  any account that has a shell   sys bin disk  you name it.
[08:41] <shachaf> intelikey: I noticed you were running IRC as root, also.
[08:41] <intelikey> shachaf from.   no    they call me a "half breed"
[08:41] <intelikey> shachaf no  not root.   :)
[08:41] <intelikey> look again.
[08:41] <pagan0ne> as init
[08:41] <jebuskrist> shachaf: i dont think i'd mess with intelikey anyway lol
[08:41] <elementrus86> hey
[08:42] <intelikey> did i mention that the whole system is  "nosuid,nosgid"
[08:42] <jebuskrist> he can probably remote into your box and cause your cd-rom tray to eject so violently as to shoot out of its casing and then collide with your forehead causing a horrible concussion
[08:42] <shachaf> intelikey: Your ircname is root.
[08:42] <intelikey> shachaf yes it is.
[08:43] <intelikey> but i'm not root.  just trust me.
[08:43] <elementrus86> my ipod only shows up on my system if i boot with it plugged in
[08:43] <jebuskrist> intelikey: you didnt happen to hand solder all your components did you?
[08:43] <Sebboh> Question: how can limit the number of concurrent connections to the same server in the kio FTP thing?  (The server doesn't accept more than one connection, so I get failures when I try to edit a document with kate, etc.) I'm using KDE 3.5.7.
[08:43] <pagan0ne> jebuskrist: i didnt know software could solder....
[08:43] <intelikey> jebuskrist not all.
[08:43] <jebuskrist> lol :)
[08:44] <intelikey> jebuskrist i do have 8 drives in this box
[08:44] <elementrus86> anyone know what the problem could be
[08:44] <jebuskrist> pagan0ne: hes THAT powerful
[08:44] <elementrus86> my ipod only shows up on my system if i boot with it plugged in
[08:44] <maelcum> Sebboh: probably not at all...
[08:44] <elementrus86> had same prob in fedora too
[08:44] <jebuskrist> elementrus86: not exactly but im guessing its a mounting issue something having to do with fstab/mtab but im a noob so thats as much as i can help
[08:45] <jebuskrist> intelikey: whats your processing power?
[08:45] <intelikey> shachaf also all accounts are locked on this box    so i login without a passwd    lol
[08:45] <intelikey> jebuskrist low low low    this one is amd 350  i also run a p1 100 a lot.
[08:45] <jebuskrist> dont do alot of compiling?
[08:46] <intelikey> no.  built a few kernels that's about all    well and wine and a few other things.
[08:46] <jebuskrist> cool
[08:46] <jebuskrist> what do you think about the pentium pro? think it would make a decent *nix box?
[08:47] <intelikey> sure
[08:47] <intelikey> maelcum yep.
[08:47] <jebuskrist> its a ppro 200mhz 128mb ram and 1mb cache onboard the processor
[08:47] <jebuskrist> im going to assume that a gui is just about out of the question
[08:48] <pagan0ne> gah intelikey must be in my system, a power wire going to my fan just broke loose of its zip tie, and started "buzzing" upaganst another fan!
[08:49] <pagan0ne> jebuskrist: not really, fluxbox or some other lightweight wm wouldnt be TOO bad
[08:50] <jebuskrist> pagan0ne: yeah i left the command line days behind long ago i just dont have the patience anymore
[08:50] <intelikey> pagan0ne lol
[08:50] <Rictoo> "configure: error: SDL_mixer required"
[08:50] <Rictoo> I've tried everything :(
[08:50] <intelikey> shachaf firewalled in ?
[08:50] <intelikey> ah nm.
[08:51] <intelikey> that's set to start in runlevel 9  :)
[08:51] <pagan0ne> am i doing sompthing wrong or is it normal for a 2GHz system running commandline only to take sevral HOURS to bzip a 600Mb file?
[08:52] <jebuskrist> that doesnt sound right
[08:52] <shachaf> pagan0ne: Are you running with -9?
[08:52] <pagan0ne> well i havent really done much bzipping lately, but no it doesnt
[08:53] <shachaf> intelikey: There's something wrong with your clock.
[08:53] <pagan0ne> shachaf: no just tar -jcf file file
[08:53] <intelikey> i don't think   ???
[08:53] <shachaf> intelikey: The timestamps are 1941.
[08:53] <intelikey> oh the year /timestamp  lol   that's intentional
[08:54] <pagan0ne> exit
[08:54] <shachaf> intelikey: Why?
[08:54] <pagan0ne> err, wrong keyboard
[08:54] <intelikey> now murat does seem to be ircing as root
[08:54] <murat> right
[08:54] <intelikey> shachaf if it's messed with,  most people don't reset timestamps.
[08:55] <pagan0ne> anyone here setup a bluetooth usb dongle yet?
[08:55] <Sebboh> Where is the KDE version of the "registry"?
[08:55] <jebuskrist> im gonna head out for the night
[08:55] <shachaf> intelikey: Oh, that makes sense.
[08:55] <pagan0ne> Sebboh: there isnt one really
[08:55] <jebuskrist> thanks for the help all i'll likely be back
[08:56] <Sebboh> Where can I modify internal settings of KDE?  I need to change how KIO uses FTP...
[08:57] <pagan0ne> Sebboh: thats beyond my expirence, but im sure its in some .conf file somewhere
[08:57] <intelikey> shachaf yes  it always is.       unless speciffically set it's a "do nothing"
[08:58] <shachaf> intelikey: Oh, but you can, e.g., alias it to "eval"?
[08:58] <intelikey> shachaf you can set it yes
[09:02] <kraut> moin
[09:04] <premier_> Hi, ubuntu is mounting my windows partition as read only
[09:04] <premier_> its really getting annoying... how do I fix it
[09:05] <intelikey> !ntfs-3g | premier_
[09:05] <ubotu> premier_: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[09:05] <premier_> intelikey: yes, I have that installed
[09:05] <premier_> I have it all installed
[09:05] <intelikey> premier_ also note if it's permissions you need a mask.
[09:05] <premier_> intelikey: mask?
[09:06] <intelikey> umask=000
[09:06] <intelikey> dmask=000,famsk=111
[09:06] <premier_> I can't get permisions to write even as root
[09:06] <intelikey> no there's not permissions bit on the fs.   you have to use a mask.   man mount.
[09:07] <intelikey> short example: sudo mount -o remount,umask=000 /media/hda1        (assuming hda1,  set that accordingly.)
[09:08] <premier_> > /dev/sda2 /media/sda2 ntfs ro,user,fmask=0111,dmask=0000 0 0
[09:08] <intelikey> premier_ yes that should be ro  it's set   "ro"    duh
[09:09] <premier_> intelikey:
[09:09] <intelikey> it's also not using ntfs-3g  i think.
[09:09] <premier_> intelikey: I don't know how fstab is formatted
[09:09] <premier_> oh, so what should the line be?
[09:09] <intelikey> premier_ see the    ro,user     the   ro,  means mount it read only
[09:10] <intelikey> that's for safty so you don't break windows and loose your files,   again please see the link from ubotu
[09:10] <intelikey> !ntfs
[09:10] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[09:10] <intelikey> !ntfs-3g
[09:10] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[09:10] <intelikey> !fuse
[09:10] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[09:11] <shachaf> intelikey: Is there any REAL excuse for my computer to take >60 seconds from power on to login?
[09:12] <intelikey> shachaf no.
[09:12] <shachaf> intelikey: I didn't think so. :-)
[09:12] <shachaf> intelikey: How long does it take you to boot up?
[09:12] <intelikey> even with the 15000 ms timeout for scsi reset i post in about 25 seconds.
[09:13] <intelikey> add about 7 for X if you login there
[09:14] <intelikey> if you have a network issue that it requires xx time for config  then that may delay boot time.
[09:14] <shachaf> intelikey: I use a wireless network normally.
[09:15] <shachaf> intelikey: Which is annoying -- it's one of the things that seem to work mainly in the GUI.
[09:15] <shachaf> intelikey: But it's post-login, anyway.
[09:15] <shachaf> intelikey: Maybe I'll start with a clean slate sometime.
[09:15] <intelikey> shachaf you probably haven't optimized your kernel (initramfs.img) ?
[09:16] <shachaf> intelikey: No. I thought those days were long behind me. :-)
[09:16] <premier_> intelikey: okay, so i ran the script mentioned on the page and it still doesn't mount
[09:17] <shachaf> intelikey: I've been considering switching away from Ubuntu to something else.
[09:17] <intelikey> shachaf using a generic initramfs.img  it loads lots of modules you don't use.  thus if you   lsmod and use that for a list then set initramfs to use only the list   it saves boot seconds.
[09:17] <shachaf> intelikey: That might be a good idea.
[09:18] <shachaf> Has anyone here used NixOS?
[09:18] <intelikey> premier_ what does your fstab say now ?
[09:18] <shachaf> I guess this is the wrong channel to ask.
[09:18] <premier_> > /dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1 ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 0
[09:18] <intelikey> ok now add the masks back.
[09:19] <epimeth> this insomnia is gonna kill me... and I'm blaming you guys for giving me something to do when I should be asleep
[09:19] <intelikey> premier_ what you had for masks should be good   fmask=0111,dmask=0000
[09:20] <intelikey> add that with the defaults you have now.
[09:20] <we3za> hi mate
[09:20] <we3za> would anyone help me with my installation problem please
[09:20] <intelikey> epimeth go to bed and shut up.
[09:21] <we3za> the system told me that i havn't create root system directory
[09:21] <intelikey> don't blame me with your insomnia now   :)    i tried.
[09:21] <intelikey> we3za eeeek   can't mount /
[09:21] <dregorth> epimeth: insomnia sucks doesn't it? :)
[09:22] <intelikey> shachaf oh and i don't use swap and users don't live in /home  and root don't live in /root   hehhe  just to round off the list of non-conformities
[09:23] <premier_> intelikey: can you help me deal with a related annoyance?   Why?
[09:24] <intelikey> premier_ probably can't.  usb is another weekness of mine.
[09:24] <intelikey> shachaf well actually,  don't tell anyone but kde isn't installed either.
[09:25] <dregorth> i didn't see that ;P
[09:25] <intelikey> shachaf can you help premier_ with USB issue ?
[09:25] <Sephnroth> hi, what are the other kernals on the ubuntu alt install cd?  trying to install kubuntu on my new laptop.  duringbase install it fails.  i went into a shell to look at syslog and it failed to fetch a file from the cd (bad cd?) and the installer says failed to install linux-generic.  but when i continue it provides what appears tobe alternitives i could chose
[09:25] <Sephnroth> like linux-generic with a version number, but doesnt say what they are?
[09:26] <shachaf> intelikey: Why don't you run something nicer like Plan 9, given your minimal usage of software? :-)
[09:26] <premier_> Sephnroth: why not reburn the cd, or check the m5sum?
[09:26] <epimeth> intelikey: whadaya mean go to bed??? I just got to *work*
[09:26] <intelikey> generic would x86 with smp support Sephnroth
[09:27] <epimeth> when I said hello 5 hours ago is when I should have been in bed :-)
[09:27] <hasan> hi guys
[09:27] <hasan> i ve got a question
[09:27] <intelikey> epimeth just trying to help with the sleep issue...     or actually prevent you from accusing me of keeping you up.
[09:27] <hasan> im trying to install my webcam over kubuntu but without success
[09:27] <hasan> can anybody help me?
[09:27] <Sephnroth> problem is i have a really really really naff collection of cds and no way to get more atm so its pot luck if they work - was hoping i could get away with picking a different kernal but nvm :(
[09:27] <hasan> olivetti 350 K is my webcam
[09:28] <intelikey> !webcam | hasan maybe this will help
[09:28] <ubotu> hasan maybe this will help: Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[09:28] <Sephnroth> its a intel centrino 2duo lappy so i could use my better 64bit/amd install cd which i trust, but i had problems with 64bit lately
[09:28] <intelikey> Sephnroth the generic should work well on that.
[09:29] <Sephnroth> though thinking about it i think all my destop issues with 64bit were all xineorama related.. not really an issue on a 1 screen lappy >>;
[09:29] <intelikey> there ya go.
[09:30] <intelikey> "1 screen"   heh    "single faced"
[09:31] <Sephnroth> oh great, now after aborting theinstallation and rebooting lappy "error loading operating system" goodbye my xp install, ty kubuntu alt cd :(
[09:31] <hasan> anybody has any idea where i can find drivers
[09:31] <Sephnroth> dunno how it managed that, new one on me XD
[09:31] <hasan> This is xawtv-3.95.dfsg.1, running on Linux/i686 (2.6.20-16-server)
[09:31] <hasan> can't open /dev/video0: No such file or directory
[09:31] <hasan> v4l-conf had some trouble, trying to continue anyway
[09:31] <hasan> v4l2: open /dev/video0: No such file or directory
[09:31] <hasan> v4l2: open /dev/video0: No such file or directory
[09:31] <hasan> v4l: open /dev/video0: No such file or directory
[09:31] <hasan> no video grabber device available
[09:31] <hasan> probably i dont install webcam right
[09:31] <hasan> ?
[09:32] <secret> can someone please help me too connect too the home modern via a wifi (cisco) built into my laptop?
[09:32] <intelikey> hasan needs a module inserted i think
[09:33] <secret> I want to my home network? anyone?
[09:33] <secret> connect
[09:34] <Sephnroth> how much hastle is it to install just grub from an install cd (alt install cd)?  cuz i could install kubuntu first  and xp after, xp overwrites the mbr killing grub which is why i always do xp first
[09:34] <intelikey> secret windows network ?
[09:34] <intelikey> !samba
[09:34] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[09:34] <Sephnroth> but if i can restore grub easy enough then i'll do kubuntu now meaning i wont have to wait for an xp cd off my mate again
[09:34] <secret> no, this is kubuntu
[09:34] <secret> intelikey
[09:34] <intelikey> !grub | Sephnroth
[09:34] <ubotu> Sephnroth: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[09:35] <Sephnroth> ty
[09:35] <intelikey> secret your home network is a linux network ?
[09:35] <secret> the moderm is harwired too my PC which has ubuntu on it, and I have an IBM laptop with kubuntu which id like too connect via wifi built in
[09:36] <secret> I have a cable internet wifi moderm
[09:36] <faidillinger> can someone please tell me which driver is the best for an ati 9250: FGLRX, ATI or RADEON ???
[09:37] <secret> I also have a computer in the study room connected too the network which has windows on it
[09:37] <secret> help please
[09:37] <sercik> i have changed wallpaper but it appears only after kde load is complete!
[09:37] <sercik> secret: you need to install samba e sambaclient
[09:37] <secret> woah, how do i do that?
[09:38] <secret> so sudo apt-get install samba e sambaclient?
[09:38] <sercik> i don't rememeber if name is sambalient
[09:38] <sercik> lauche synaptic and search for samba
[09:39] <secret> it's aironet cisco wifi card built into my laptop
[09:39] <secret> IBM T40 thinkpad
[09:39] <secret> ok
[09:39] <sercik> you want to to a lan between windows and linux right?
[09:40] <intelikey> apt-cache search samba
[09:40] <secret> no, i have a pc with ubuntu which is hardwired too the moderm and I want too connect my laptop, with kubuntu, too the network
[09:40] <secret> via wifi
[09:40] <sercik> so ypu want to trasform your pc in a gateway!
[09:40] <secret> I just want to connect mmy laptop to the network
[09:41] <secret> i want internet via ifi
[09:41] <sercik> secret: you are too simplicistic
[09:41] <secret> wifi
[09:41] <yknott> faidillinger: any
[09:41] <sercik> where is the wifi?? installed on the pc connected via cable?
[09:41] <yknott> faidillinger: ati/radeon if you want ubuntu community supported, fglrx if you want proprietory 3d accel
[09:41] <secret> No, the wifi card is in my laptop
[09:41] <sercik> you have a modem/router or a modem?
[09:41] <secret> wifi moderm
[09:42] <secret> modem
[09:42] <sercik> and to what the wifi card connect... to the air??
[09:42] <sercik> your modem have wifi?
[09:42] <epimeth> intelikey: yea, well... if I were a girl you wouldn't be saying that ;-)
[09:42] <secret> yes
[09:42] <sercik> FIRST: so is not a modem but a router!
[09:42] <sercik> wired and wireless!
[09:43] <sercik> is not important that there are already one pc wired connected!
[09:43] <secret> eh, the cable comes out off the wall and plugs into the wifi router, moderm whatever it is friend
[09:43] <secret> idk
[09:43] <secret> routor moderm
[09:43] <yknott> faidillinger: you can use the "ati" driver in xorg.conf, it will pick radeon for your device if need be
[09:43] <sercik> your wifi card is recognized in linux laptop?
[09:43] <intelikey> epimeth how do you know?    i might be to old to be a dirty old man
[09:44] <secret> yes I see the symbol light on the laptop
[09:44] <secret> how do i check?
[09:44] <sercik> open a konsole and type ifconfig
[09:44] <secret> ok
[09:44] <sercik> and see if thereis wlan0 or something
[09:44] <faidillinger> yknott: does it means i dont have to indicate radeon in my xorg.conf ??
[09:44] <yknott> may be easier to type iwconfig?
[09:44] <yknott> faidillinger: no, you can use "ati"
[09:44] <faidillinger> yknott: thank you
[09:45] <intelikey> shachaf you want to test a script for me ?    http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/37115    make sure it works with your system
[09:45] <secret> eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:09:6B:93:42:1F
[09:45] <secret>           UP BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[09:45] <secret>           RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[09:45] <secret>           TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
[09:45] <secret>           collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
[09:45] <secret> sorry
[09:45] <sercik> yknott: i dont't know that command but you are right!!
[09:45] <secret> sorry
[09:45] <faidillinger> Has any of you guys tried compiz ? is it worth it ?
[09:45] <sercik> tipe iwconfig!
[09:45] <yknott> faidillinger: worth what?
[09:45] <faidillinger> yknott: worth the try ?
[09:46] <yknott> faidillinger: :) yes but you want to try what? what willl you be looking to get out of it?
[09:46] <secret> what am I looking at though?
[09:46] <sercik> thanks to yknott: type iwconfig
[09:46] <secret> <-- new too linux
[09:46] <Sephnroth> will i get a noticiable performance increase for using 64bit ver of kubuntu on a core2duo oris it just not worth the fuss?
[09:46] <sercik> secret simpy type iwconfig and then press enter
[09:46] <yknott> secret: with iwconfig   you will either see eth0 or eth1 or wlan0 or some other showing details like you just pasted (well ones that relate to wireless properties, like AP, rate, so on)
[09:47] <faidillinger> yknott: well, actually, it is said to free some cpu use, and make the gpu work more . im looking forward to free the cpu/gpu use balance
[09:47] <secret> yeah i see them
[09:47] <yknott> secret: otherwise you will see only several lines displaying "no wireless extensions"
[09:47] <secret> wifi0
[09:47] <secret> and then lots of info
[09:47] <yknott> faidillinger: i have not had it working on mine yet but just as well go for it, if you are up for it,
[09:47] <sercik> you can go under system setting and search for network and you can configure
[09:48] <secret> ok let me look
[09:48] <faidillinger> yknott: yep. think i will give it a try
[09:48] <mikkael> is it possible to see what exactly is the swap used for at the moment ?
[09:48] <intelikey> Sephnroth probably not worth the fuss on a lappy   but if you are any good at helping developers   you could run it for that reason...
[09:48] <yknott> mikkael: what do you mean? to see which drive partition it is?
[09:48] <yknott> mikkael: or how much of the swap is being used?
[09:49] <mikkael> i was running kubuntu without swap flawlessly, now i enabled it again, and there are sitting 33 mb in my swap, im curious what that is
[09:49] <Sephnroth> i'd quite like a stable dev platform XD  half my reason for lappy  is so that when its a nice day but im being forced to work that i can at least do it in my garden :)  thats the reason for the small XP partition too, some of my work requires real windows testing
[09:49] <mikkael> what the content of the swap is? like which allpication is using it, and for what
[09:49] <Sephnroth> i'll go 32bit, simply cuz i have the 32bit image downloaded
[09:49] <secret> I've tried this before and had difficulties connecting
[09:49] <Sephnroth> and theonly 64bit cd i have is edgy
[09:49] <secret> I entered wep keys and everything
[09:49] <Sephnroth> i'd rather go streight to fiesty
[09:49] <sercik> edgy is the best kubunty version!
[09:50] <Sephnroth> whats wrong with fiesty?
[09:50] <mikkael> sercik: why not feisty ?
[09:50] <sercik> i stay better with edgy!
[09:50] <mikkael> im running kde 3.5.7 on feisty and its the best linux experience ive ever had
[09:50] <secret> hexidecimal keytype?
[09:50] <yknott> secret: were you able to disable wep first, connect, verify that you could, then attempt with wep?
[09:50] <yknott> mikkael: i do not know how to do that
[09:51] <mikkael> yknott: no prob
[09:51] <sercik> for me edgy works better! i experimented problems with feisty
[09:51] <yknott> experienced
[09:51] <yknott> sercik: such as?
[09:51] <sercik> for example beryl don't work
[09:51] <secret> when i first installed kubuntu i disabled the wifi and hard wired
[09:51] <secret> i cant remember where i disabled it
[09:51] <sercik> for example driver installed from envy don't work
[09:52] <secret> are the drivers pre installed for aironet cisco wifi cards
[09:52] <sercik> for example in synaptic i didn't see check boxes!
[09:52] <sercik> edgy is more stable! and there are fex differences with feist
[09:52] <yknott> gotcha, well sticking with what works ;)
[09:53] <sercik> nvidia-glx deoends from kernel 386 and not generic
[09:53] <secret> ill be back people, i appreciate the help by the way serkit and yknott
[09:53] <mikkael> thats your experience, for me feisty is faster
[09:53] <mikkael> and same stability
[09:54] <sercik> mikkael: feisty what have more than edgy!
[09:54] <sercik> ?
[09:54] <nodesert_> i still have  old kernels in my system how can i remove them
[09:54] <epimeth> intelikey: say it aint so! now I have nothing to look forward to in my old age :-(
[09:54] <mikkael> i especially realized it after my girlfriend did a upgrade from ubuntu edgy to feisty (she did it alone :) ) on a very slow comp
[09:55] <dregorth> kudos to her
[09:55] <dregorth> :)
[09:55] <sercik> mikkael: i think tha feisty could be better but sure not faster
[09:55] <mikkael> sercik: in general you will have new versions of the most packages, that means a lot of bug fixes, most improvements are "under the hood" you will not see them
[09:55] <sercik> ok!
[09:55] <mikkael> well @ my girlfriends computer its faster (pentium III with 512 mb ram)
[09:56] <sercik> your girlfriens is lucky!
[09:56] <mikkael> i dont think its luck: upgrades often bring better speed
[09:57] <sercik> vista is not faster than xp that is not faster than win2000
[09:57] <dregorth> not when it comes to windows for the most part ;P
[09:57] <mikkael> thats windoze, dont compare that
[09:57] <mikkael> xp boots faster than 2k (was my experience at least)
[09:57] <yknott> mikkael's assertion could still be correct; perhaps win2000-> xp is not an upgrade
[09:58] <yknott> some of the computer work i have done lately has been for customers with windows 2000 and i have been surprised at how responsive it seems (when compared to xp, for example)
[09:59] <yknott> perhaps it is a hm side?grade or downgrade ;)
[09:59] <mikkael> i dont think releases like dapper, edgy, feisty are comparable to 98, 2000, xp, vista
[09:59] <dregorth> true
[10:00] <yknott> the upgrade in there was from the 9x kernel to the nt kernel; that about covers it ;)
[10:00] <mikkael> its a half-year cycle, compared to a several years one, and on a side note, MS forces users to buy up2date hardware
[10:01] <yknott> mikkael: yeah it is sad; anyone who asks me these days for comp advice, i have to tell them that for the most part anything they see in the store will be fast enough - most of the time the comp will be waiting on the user, spend more for more ram and a bigger screen, and less on the fastest processor... o and that the slowest thing in the computer will probably be windows
[10:02] <sercik> mikkael: i run win2k under virtualbox in linux and is faster than winxo installed on my hd :)
[10:02] <yknott> even on systems with 2GB RAM, windows XP still likes to use 770 MB swap before even touching 1GB of that RAM
[10:02] <sercik> this is linux influence!
[10:02] <mikkael> someone wrote in a blog: it took 6 seconds to trash a 23 kb file @ vista
[10:02] <yknott> sercik: i have noticed that too and i think it has to do in large part with the better disk caching of linux than nt
[10:03] <dregorth> mikkael: heh i read that earlier tonight
[10:03] <mikkael> allright, i got to prepare myself for university, see you later guys
[10:04] <intelikey> anyone else care to test   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/37117   for me.   needs tested on a 2.6 and 2.2 kernels if anyone is running such
[10:06] <sercik> why don't you test yourself?
[10:06] <Sephnroth> is it a silly idea to have one big 54gig root and a 2.4gig swap?   or should i make like a 10gig root and a 40gig home?
[10:07] <sercik> 40 gig home seems too big
[10:07] <intelikey> sercik have.  now why don't you ?
[10:07] <Tm_T> depends
[10:07] <yknott> Sephnroth: i think it is easier to make one swap and one big ext3 partition for the masses, than divide the space more appropriately
[10:07] <sercik> do you need that i try?
[10:08] <Sephnroth> if ij ust have a big / partition then home willb e stored on root yes?
[10:08] <sercik> Sephnroth: sure
[10:08] <sercik> '/home is under /
[10:08] <yknott> if the comp has only one disk < 10GB, i leave that setting; otherwise at least one swap, one home, one root
[10:08] <Sephnroth> sounds fine to me
[10:08] <Sephnroth> why does home need tobe seperate?  i can understand swap
[10:08] <Sephnroth> i always have a seperate swap
[10:08] <Sephnroth> but what does seperating home do for you?
[10:09] <arunkale> I need to tell a friend how to install nvidia drivers on his computer.. he's using feisty fawn. where is the 'restricted devices' thing located in Kubuntu?
[10:09] <yknott> Sephnroth: having separate /home and / makes it much easier to merely format / to install a new os
[10:09] <Sephnroth> ahh pants tothat :0
[10:09] <Sephnroth> :)
[10:09] <grul> and it makes / less fragmented
[10:09] <yknott> not that you will need to do it so often but
[10:09] <grul> faster! harder!
[10:10] <sercik> the script give errors
[10:10] <yknott> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/37118
[10:12] <arunkale> yknott: how do you do it then
[10:13] <yknott> arunkale: adept manager
[10:13] <arunkale> where in adept manager?>
[10:13] <yknott> kmenu/system ?
[10:13] <yknott> command adept_manager
[10:15] <yknott> arunkale: any luck?
[10:15] <arunkale> will try, thanks
[10:16] <arunkale> :)
[10:16] <AnyKey> How can I make the mount command so its up and mounted on the booting of the system?
[10:16] <sercik> AnyKey: add a line to /etc/fstab
[10:16] <AnyKey> sweet.. thanks. :)
[10:18] <Chani> aha, the topic answered my quuestion :)
[10:18] <yknott> thanks for saying hi nonetheless
[10:22] <brendonjt> hi there all how do i get the update notifer to run under my user (i was the first user created)
[10:25] <nodesert_> is anyone know how can i remove old kernels from my system
[10:26] <yknott> nodesert_: you can remove the packages to those old kernels
[10:26] <Jucato> nodesert_: just remove it like a regular package/program. from Adept Manager or apt-get
[10:28] <nodesert_> thanks
[10:29] <claret> hello??
[10:29] <l0phtaax> ...
[10:29] <ardchoille> Hi claret
[10:30] <claret> hello
[10:32] <claret> gtg
[10:35] <^RiaN^> hiii everyone
[10:37] <^RiaN^> can someone helpme
[10:38] <arun> um.. my friend does not see the 'ubuntu restricted extras' in the add/remove section
[10:38] <arun> he's running feisty fawn
[10:39] <arun> what could be the reason?
[10:39] <Lynoure> arun: no commercial repo line in sources.list
[10:39] <Lynoure> arun: if you have feisty too, copy it from your own?
[10:41] <arun> Lynoure: alright, thanks
[10:41] <arun> Lynoure: you mean proprietary drivers
[10:42] <giuseppe> guys is there someone that can help me to install oxygen icons or give me a package please? I've just downloaded the svn version but there are not lots of icons like rubbish. help please?
[10:42] <Chani> ok, https://wiki.kubuntu.com/KubuntuFeistyKnownProblems is kinda useless
[10:42] <Chani> there *can't* be no problems
[10:42] <^RiaN^> when i install my new hardware, kubuntu don't want to start
[10:42] <^RiaN^> what should i do
[10:42] <Chani> whta hardware?
[10:43] <^RiaN^> vga driver
[10:43] <Chani> drivers are not hardware
[10:43] <^RiaN^> upss
[10:43] <^RiaN^> vga hardware i mean
[10:44] <Jucato> giuseppe: the latest versions of the oxygen icons cannot be used on KDE 3.5.x
[10:45] <AnyKey> Howdy... okay, I dont think I had any luck with the command "sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /etc/fstab /media/backup" ... currently looking at the /media there IS a backup but its just a folder that shows a plug comming out of it.  Is there something I am missing in the command?
[10:45] <Chani> ^RiaN^: I have no idea what you mean.
 giuseppe: the latest versions of the oxygen icons cannot be used on KDE 3.5.x   <--- hrmm I got the ones from kde 4 and hey work fine
[10:45] <smile> hi
[10:46] <Jucato> Jezz_X: you probably got the last working version for KDE 3, which has not been updated for a long time. and which are also under a license that doesn't allow redistribution (so you don't see them around)
[10:46] <Chani> anyone here know of a list of problems upgrading from edgy to feisty?
[10:46] <Jezz_X> ahhh OK
[10:47] <smile> is here any spanish ?
[10:47] <ardchoille> !es
[10:47] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[10:47] <Lynoure> arun: I cannot remember the exact name of the repository, not on my ubuntu now. Canonical Proprietery or something.
[10:47] <ardchoille> !sources
[10:47] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[10:47] <Lynoure> !sourcematic
[10:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sourcematic - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:47] <Lynoure> !sourceomatic
[10:47] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[10:48] <ardchoille> !source-o-matic
[10:48] <Jezz_X> I got them after I installe kde 4 from the kubuntu website instructions :)
[10:48] <Lynoure> arun: try with source-o-matic if you are not sure.
[10:48] <arun> Lynoure: it fixed the problem, he didn't have the proprietary repos enabled
[10:48] <Jezz_X> then removed kde because it was not working :)
[10:48] <Jucato> Jezz_X: yes. and the KDE 4 apps are the ones using those, not the KDE 3 apps
[10:48] <ardchoille> Lynoure: I think that page will give the Canonical repo
[10:48] <nbcb> help
[10:48] <ardchoille> Jucato: KDE4 is out?!?
[10:48] <arun> Lynoure: my friend can't use one of his external hard drives that is ntfs formatted
[10:48] <nbcb> how do u ls with sorted by filesizes
[10:48] <Jucato> kde 4 alpha
[10:49] <ardchoille> Ah
[10:49] <Jezz_X> nah I did a fresh install as well and kept the folder from icons :\  but yeah if you say so
[10:49] <nbcb> my / is filled up 4.4gb !!
[10:49] <AnyKey> Okay... before I try the command again to mount /dev/hdb1 to /media/backup... How do I type it to mount it so its always mounted when Kubuntu starts?
[10:49] <Jezz_X> not here to start fights
[10:50] <Jezz_X> they are nice icons but I like crystal as well
[10:50] <nbcb> my / is filled up... where shd i look into
[10:51] <ardchoille> nbcb: try: ls -S
[10:51] <AnyKey> hummm... any other forum names on this server that can help with mount command?
[10:51] <Jucato> !mount
[10:51] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[10:51] <Jucato> !fstab
[10:51] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[10:51] <Jucato> AnyKey: ^^^
[10:51] <nbcb> how did my / filled up
[10:51] <arun> my friend can't use one of his external hard drives that is ntfs formatted on his feisty fawn
[10:51] <AnyKey> thank you Jucato. :)
[10:52] <Jucato> nbcb: try "sudo apt-get clean" to clear the downloaded packages that have already been installed
[10:52] <ardchoille> nbcb: You might have a look in /var/log  and  /var/cache/apt
[10:52] <Jucato> AnyKey: you can also try using the disk mounter in System Settings -> Advanced tab -> Disks & Filesystems
[10:52] <AnyKey> oh really.  Nice.  thank you again a bunch! :)
[10:53] <Chani> arun: linux drivers for ntfs are very limited. I don't know what approach feisty takess to ntfs
[10:54] <nik0> hello!
[10:54] <Chani> arun: the only real solution for writing files is to reformat as fat32 instead of ntfs
[10:55] <arun> the same friend doesnt get any results when he searches for 'msttcorefonts' in adept
[10:55] <nik0> what can we do with the 'shell'?
[10:55] <nbcb> omg my log is so big
[10:55] <arun> ok he got it now
[10:55] <nbcb> how do i ls directories only?
[10:56] <nik0> someone?
[10:56] <ardchoille> nbcb: ls -d
[10:56] <ardchoille> nbcb: man ls
[10:56] <nik0> erf !
[11:00] <nbcb> when will the syslog and messages be gzipped???
[11:00] <nbcb> is it on a cron job or something?
[11:00] <nbcb> can i manually ask the system to gz all my logs? its like 2gb
[11:01] <nbcb> main culprit is mysql
[11:01] <Chani> I'm really suspicious about the lack of upgrade problems reported
[11:02] <Chani> I mean, I expect things to break a lot on a dist-upgrade. it's kinda weird to think that it might mostly just work
[11:04] <arun> !nvidia
[11:04] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:06] <intelikey> wrong blood line ?    did not ishroel say that shiloh would decend from juda ?
[11:07] <intelikey> that's what happens if you don't hit the tab key first.... sorry.
[11:09] <ardchoille> nbcb: You might be interested in /etc/logrotate.conf
[11:11] <grul> God is Not Unix
[11:14] <arun> hahahaha
[11:24] <darkbowser> salut
[11:30] <lupul> hi there
[11:30] <lupul> does anone know a good firewall?
[11:30] <lupul> something like guarddog but better
[11:31] <lupul> !firewall
[11:31] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[11:35] <jackie> hello all. quick question.
[11:35] <jackie> right now i'm running kubuntu kde, while installing gnome-desktop.
[11:36] <jackie> i was using gnome, and the only problem i was having was that i would be connected wirelessly, but when i closed my laptop, it would hibernate, and when it woke back up, i would not be able to connect to any networks.
[11:37] <jackie> i was using gnome, and the only problem i was having was that i would be connected wirelessly, but when i closed my laptop, it would hibernate, and when it woke back up, i would not be able to connect to any networks.
[11:38] <jackie> by the way, i'm using a dell 1501 laptop, amd turion 64, kubuntu x64 7.04
[11:38] <jackie> if that helps.
[11:44] <me_> hi all
[11:44] <dfeser> hi there! having problems under feisty with samba...smb.conf loses the workgroup= entry each time I reboot...
[11:44] <dfeser> can someone help me?
[11:44] <Chani> lupul: firewalls aren't really that necessary on linux if you're not running any kind of server, imho
[11:44] <me_> please can anyone tell me how to join dalnet ?
[11:45] <me_> any answer ?
[11:45] <intelikey> /server irc.dalnet.net
[11:46] <pag> intelikey, isn't it irc.dal.net  ?
[11:47] <lupul> i know Chani but i was called from my internet provider and told me to reinstall my windows because i have viruses that flood the network
[11:47] <lupul> so i thought that if i have linux...  and i'm flooding the network then i need a firewall
[11:47] <me_> thanks
[11:47] <dfeser> no answer about my samba question?
[11:53] <mike__> lupul: no need for a firewall but one can be installed if needed
[11:54] <Chani> lupul: lol. I wonder what made them think that...
[11:55] <Lynoure> arun: I was gone. Anyway, that is another matter. Did the repository problem get sorted?
[11:55] <Lynoure> oh, went.
[11:55] <dognews> hi, how can I have syntaxhighlight in a textarea in konqueror (browser mode)?
[11:55] <lupul> don't know
[11:55] <mike__> use firefox hehe
[11:56] <lupul> ok so in the end any firewall recommended? not iptables please cause i'm still a newbee
[11:56] <dognews> mike__: is there a plugin for sntaxhighlight?
[12:01] <ardchoille> !firewall | lupul
[12:01] <ubotu> lupul: Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[12:01] <mike__> http://www.ariadne.ac.uk/issue42/lauke/
[12:02] <mike__> dognews:  ^^^
[12:02] <lupul> i know. i tryed guarddog but doesn't work properly
[12:02] <mike__> lupul: shorewall?
[12:02] <lupul> everytime i restart my cpu i have to configure it again
[12:02] <lupul> thanks
[12:03] <lupul> trying it now
[12:03] <mike__> ok
[12:03] <dognews> mike__: but it doesn't show editable syntax highlight directly in my textarea
[12:04] <mike__> oh
[12:04] <eagles0513875> i just learned something new this am
[12:04] <eagles0513875> this is for everyones info
[12:04] <eagles0513875> lol
[12:05] <eagles0513875> i thought wma losless had really good encoding which it does it ranges from 400 kbps - 1mbps but now i just reencoded all my music from wma losless to flac and flac has even better bit rates ranging from 850kbps - 1mbps
[12:26] <chuen> Hi all. I have a basic question about 'command line syntax'
[12:27] <chuen> If I want to go to a directory I have created whose name has spaces in it, how do I express that without getting an error?
[12:27] <chuen> For example: 'My Music' as a directory name.
[12:28] <jorik808> chuen: you need to "escape" the space, like so: My\ Music
[12:28] <Jucato> chuen: you can either type: cd "My Music"
[12:28] <Chani> chuen: tab completion can do some of that for you too
[12:28] <Jucato> chuen: or type My[Tab]  (press Tab to autocomplete)
[12:29] <chuen> Wow! That was comprehensive. Thanks all.
[12:32] <sercik> please help me: http://pastebin.ca/544194
[12:33] <sercik> api mismatch with xorg i can't start X anymore
[12:44] <epimeth> !marble
[12:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about marble - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:44] <epimeth> !info marble
[12:44] <ubotu> marble: generic geographical map widget. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2-2 (feisty), package size 153 kB, installed size 456 kB
[12:46] <admin___> hallo
[12:51] <sivaji> !rar
[12:51] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[12:52] <sivaji>  !info unrar-free
[12:52] <ubotu> unrar-free: Unarchiver for .rar files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.0.1+cvs20060609-1 (feisty), package size 17 kB, installed size 80 kB
[12:53] <epimeth> am I the only one hopping up and down in his seat waiting for october?
[12:54] <Lynoure> epimeth: What's then?
[12:54] <Jucato> epimeth: yes, you're the only one :P
[12:54] <sercik> please i need help: i can't start X anymore   http://pastebin.ca/544194
[12:54] <Lynoure> Summers are rather nice, no eagerness for autumn yet.
[12:55] <jack-> sercik: tough luck
[12:55] <jack-> which nvidia card?
[12:55] <epimeth> c'mon guys!  gutsy and kde4's release dates totally coincide! october madness!!!
[12:56] <sivaji> sercik try #ubuntu
[12:56] <Jucato> they coincide. but they won't be released under in the same ISO :)
[12:57] <sercik> hi jack!
[12:57] <sercik> i don't know pc is not mine
[12:57] <sercik> i'm helping via chat a friend!
[01:16] <waterox> hi room
[01:16] <jorik808> hi
[01:16] <waterox> seems slow
[01:17] <jorik808> tis true
[01:17] <waterox> Ill try back
[01:17] <waterox> later
[01:41] <hroch> helou
[01:43] <secret> Another process is running the adept package database? please help!! I'm trying to open add and remove programs but I cant??????
[01:43] <secret> no terminals are open
[01:43] <secret> update is not on
[01:44] <secret> i mean, isnt runnn
[01:44] <jukuli> ctrl+esc and see if it's running but not showing on the screen
[01:44] <jukuli> if it is, kill it
[01:44] <secret> woah wtf?
[01:45] <jukuli> :D ctrl+esc opens the task manager thing and there you can see if the adept is running on the background or something
[01:45] <secret> xorg?
[01:45] <secret> ksys gaurd?
[01:45] <jukuli> there you can also close it
[01:45] <secret> only running ^
[01:46] <secret> adept is there
[01:46] <secret> ut not running
[01:46] <secret> but
[01:46] <secret> not
[01:46] <secret> running
[01:46] <secret> :D
[01:46] <secret> Another process is using the packaging system database (probably some other Adept application or apt-get or aptitude). Please close the other application before using this one.
[01:47] <jukuli> if adept is on the list,try selecting it and pressing kill
[01:47] <secret> thats what the message states
[01:47] <secret> ok then
[01:48] <jukuli> i hope it helped, i have to go now..afk
[01:49] <secret> peace friend
[01:52] <Jucato> !adeptfix | secret
[01:53] <ubotu> secret: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[01:53] <secret> thank you, i try this
[01:53] <main2> hmmm, i installed kubuntu 64bit on my system, it worked with the 2.6.15 kernel fine...
[01:53] <main2> after using adept (After the first run) it broke already
[01:53] <main2> the 2.6.20 kernel, just hangs -> half way........
[01:54] <main2> this really sucks / screwed up my day :P
[01:54] <main2> a lost hour..
[01:55] <secret> thanks jucato, that worked!
[02:03] <foo25> Hey guys, any idea why I would get "The process for the file protocol died unexpectedly" when booting live CD?
[02:04] <DexterF> hi
[02:05] <DexterF> I used to mount NFS shares with submount. is submount not available on 7.04 or is there a better way?
[02:05] <DexterF> !nfs
[02:05] <ubotu> nfs is the network file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
[02:06] <logixoul> hi. Rosegarden says my kernel timer resolution is too low (250hz). How do I fix this?
[02:08] <foo25> Can I install without having to boot live CD?
[02:08] <foo25> I keep getting protocol errors
[02:09] <foo25> !install
[02:09] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[02:09] <foo25> !automate
[02:09] <ubotu> Ways to automate installation of Ubuntu on multiple machines are described at https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/i386/automatic-install.html - See also !cloning
[02:18] <marrk> hda: DMA timeout error
[02:18] <marrk> can anyone help with that?
[02:18] <marrk> hda: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x21
[02:18] <marrk> i get those error messages on boot
[02:19] <marrk> and it takes really long
[02:20] <Darkrift> damn
[02:20] <Darkrift> didnt think this chan would be this large
[02:24] <DexterF> kubuntu keeps cloning settings from my old slackware installation on another partiton. how does it do that?
[02:24] <largo24> marrk, is that on a notebook?
[02:25] <marrk> largo24: it's on my desktop
[02:25] <marrk> fresh new kubuntu install
[02:29] <largo24> marrk, hmm. this laptop bug has a similar error msg:
[02:29] <largo24> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/12483
[02:30] <marrk> ye largo24, i've found it somewhere more
[02:31] <marrk> but it's all different things i believe
[02:31] <marrk> i'm looking if my IDE controllers are properly configured
[02:31] <marrk> but i'm all new to linux, so it's going really really slow :)
[02:33] <marrk> hmmm
[02:33] <marrk> looks different to me tbh
[02:35] <marrk> but ye, my computer hangs like 4 or 5 times on boot with a hda timeout
[02:35] <marrk> 30 seconds per timeout
[02:35] <marrk> so that's already 2 minutes doing nothing on boot
[02:35] <Dr_willis> thayt is odd.
[02:35] <marrk> i thought it was ye
[02:35] <Dr_willis> laptop machine?
[02:35] <marrk> nopz
[02:36] <marrk> pretty old amd system
[02:36] <marrk> asrock k7vm2, athlon 2000+ and 2 pretty old 40 gig HD's
[02:36] <marrk> maybe one of the HD's is broken, i don't know
[02:36] <marrk> but everything works
[02:36] <marrk> except for the timeouts on boot
[02:37] <faidillinger> has anyone got any idea on how to make compiz start along with kde at boot ??
[02:37] <marrk> hmmm
[02:37] <marrk> hang isn't the proper word
[02:37] <marrk> freeze is tho
[02:38] <DexterF> faidillinger: point konq to ~/.kde/Autostart and drag the icon from K-Menu, say "symlink"
[02:38] <largo24> marrk, are the hdds set master/slave correctly? can you disconnect one of them?
[02:38] <marrk> i'll disconnect the slave ye
[02:38] <marrk> bbiab then
[02:40] <faidillinger> DexterF: Thank you very much
[02:40] <faidillinger> DexterF: i guess thats the equivalent for the startup menu in windows
[02:41] <DexterF> faidillinger: sort of
[02:46] <marrk> largo24: same thing
[02:46] <marrk> [   21.919574]   hda:<4>hda: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x21
[02:46] <marrk> [   51.875495]  hda: DMA timeout error
[02:46] <marrk> [   51.875505]  hda: dma timeout error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest }
[02:46] <marrk> [   51.875511]  ide: failed opcode was: unknown
[02:46] <pedr1> Hi!
[02:46] <pedr1> how are you?
[02:46] <pedr1> Recently I had a little problem with nvidia
[02:47] <pedr1> I installed the driver from the official page and the X starts without problems
[02:47] <DexterF> marrk: that happen to be an IBM DTLA disk?
[02:47] <pedr1> but when I reboot X doesn't start, I don't know why
[02:47] <pedr1> I use Kubuntu feisty
[02:47] <marrk> DexterF: Maxtor drive
[02:48] <DexterF> marrk: even worse. DiamondMax 9 series?
[02:48] <marrk> could be
[02:48] <DexterF> emitting strange noise on spinup?
[02:48] <marrk> only know the type number
[02:48] <marrk> haven't noticed them
[02:48] <marrk> so i think no
[02:48] <DexterF> 40wire or 80wire ribbon cable? rounded? longer than 45cm?
[02:48] <marrk> 80 wire
[02:48] <marrk> no longer than 45
[02:49] <marrk> first plug (?)
[02:49] <DexterF> another device on the ribbon?
[02:49] <marrk> ye
[02:49] <marrk> not now tho
[02:49] <marrk> i decoupled my samsung disk
[02:49] <marrk> uncoupled
[02:49] <marrk> whatever...
[02:49] <marrk> it's now all by itself
[02:49] <marrk> but i don't have any other problems i think
[02:50] <marrk> so i think it's not the HD
[02:50] <marrk> but not sure tbh
[02:50] <marrk> any HD diagnosis tools in linux?
[02:50] <DexterF> man hdparm. there's some self test options
[02:50] <DexterF> otoh AsRock is the cheapest sh!t one can get, I wouldn't rule out a faulty board
[02:52] <Dr_willis> messages look to me like a sign of drive going dead.
[02:52] <marrk> hmmm
[02:53] <marrk> maybe it's time for an update then
[02:53] <marrk> upgrade*
[02:53] <Dr_willis> i got a 500gb drive for $120 the other day. :)
[02:53] <faidillinger> what command should i enter in about:config to associate firefox and ktorrent ??
[02:53] <faidillinger> or how can i make firefox open a torrent with ktorent
[02:53] <marrk> this one was free, so i wasn't that picky
[02:53] <marrk> should've been i guess
[02:53] <DexterF> faidillinger: i think there even is an FF extension for that. google.
[02:54] <faidillinger> DexterF: thx , i'll google a little bit
[02:54] <Dr_willis> I thouhg i just told firefox to open torrent files with ktorrent and that was it..
[02:55] <Dr_willis> but i normally save all my.torrent files to a dir. So  not 100% sure on that
[02:56] <largo24> marrk, can you put the 2nd drive (samsung?) as primary and install kubu on that? see if you get same errors
[02:56] <marrk> i'
[02:57] <marrk> ve got a winxp install on it
[02:57] <marrk> with loads of data
[02:57] <Dr_willis> given the age of the drives.. I suggest backing it up also. :)
[02:57] <largo24> ok, nevermind that idea
[02:57] <marrk> nah
[02:57] <marrk> i'll drop by a computer store this afternoon
[02:58] <marrk> buy a proper HD
[02:58] <marrk> but then again
[02:58] <marrk> where the hell can i get a non s-ata HD?
[02:58] <llutz> "no backup" means "data unimportant" means waste of diskspace ;)
[02:58] <marrk> nah, the important data is backed up
[02:58] <Dr_willis> i see ide drives all over the place. :) the sata was on sale this weekend here.
[02:59] <largo24> marrk, newegg. you can get a 40-70 gb for $40 US or less
[02:59] <marrk> i'm dutch ;)
[02:59] <Dr_willis> seen ide drives up to 500gb in size. :) for like $100-120 us.
[02:59] <llutz> marrk: cross the border, here in germany you'll get ide :)
[03:00] <marrk> maybe i'll just wait
[03:00] <marrk> and buy a new system
[03:00] <largo24> marrk, you can also dl seatools and run a diagnostics on that questionable hd
[03:00] <marrk> now that's an idea
[03:00] <largo24> http://www.seagate.com/support/seatools/SeaToolsDOS.iso
[03:00] <marrk> how/where
[03:00] <marrk> ?
[03:01] <largo24> burn to cd then boot off cd
[03:01] <marrk> great
[03:01] <marrk> can i easily boot to cd in linux?
[03:01] <marrk> burn cd?
[03:01] <marrk> wth...
[03:02] <marrk> maybe i'm too tired to be trying to work with kubuntu
[03:02] <largo24> kubu comes w/ k3b doesn't it?
[03:03] <nosrednaekim> largo24: yep
[03:04] <nosrednaekim> haha.... konversation is awesome...
[03:05] <highlandcairn> how do i use a usb to serial cable to connect to a headless pc
[03:05] <ritalin> robbed a jewlry store and told them make me a grill
[03:05] <marrk> haha
[03:05] <marrk> i'm gonna try it with a diskette
[03:07] <tine> lo #kubuntu
[03:07] <tine> exit #kubuntu
[03:08] <nosrednaekim> I think you need a /...tine
[03:08] <tine> quit
[03:08] <tine> quit #kubuntu
[03:08] <nosrednaekim> its "/quit'
[03:15] <marrk`laptop> thikn i just may have to buy a new system
[03:15] <marrk`laptop> should do that anyways tbh
[03:16] <Dr_willis> given how cheap pc;s are getting.
[03:16] <Dr_willis> Its amazing the stuff ya can get these days for just a few hundred $$
[03:17] <MaTiAz> Heh, Yakuake is pretty cool :)
[03:17] <marrk`laptop> ye true
[03:18] <sito_> hellow!
[03:18] <sito_> anywhere use the programa kdenlive?
[03:20] <Daisuke_Ido> sito_: what is it?
[03:20] <Daisuke_Ido> and yes, yakuake is awesome. i don't think i've messed with konsole since installing it.
[03:21] <sito_> this program is same of window media maker
[03:21] <sito_> http://kdenlive.org/index.php
[03:23] <Daisuke_Ido> ooh
[03:23] <Daisuke_Ido> i haven't tried it, but i think i may have to
[03:23] <sito_> A program similar exists to the window media maker?
[03:24] <sito_> cinelerra is difficult
[03:24] <sito_> i like a program simply
[03:25] <marrk`laptop> whoa
[03:25] <marrk`laptop> drive overtemp largo24...
[03:25] <marrk`laptop> think i found the problem
[03:26] <largo24> marrk, was that with seatools
[03:26] <KomiaPoika> hi
[03:26] <marrk`laptop> ye
[03:26] <KomiaPoika> i screwed up my system trying to dist-upgrade from 6.06 to 7.04, and now my system is stuck: when trying to apt-get -f install, i repeatedly get on the error: package has no field-python version
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> apt-get f install what?
[03:27] <marrk`laptop> ye, let's throw away this disk then
[03:27] <marrk`laptop> or at least, don't run an OS on it ;)
[03:27] <marrk`laptop> or anything else valuable
[03:28] <largo24> marrk, does the drive feel hot to the touch? i would be curious to see if you get that error if you let the hd cool off for a few hours
[03:29] <marrk`laptop> it's powered up now
[03:29] <marrk`laptop> let's not touch it
[03:30] <hollandlucas> good afternoon!
[03:30] <MaTiAz> http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/05/asus-new-eee-pc-701-joins-the-laptop-lite-fray-with-a-bang/
[03:30] <hollandlucas> Will Gutsy include KDE4?
[03:30] <MaTiAz> I wonder how good Kubuntu would be on that :) Maybe Xubuntu would be better though
[03:30] <secret> can some please help me out with a problem?
[03:31] <secret> I get this message each time I try and add a program via add and remove: There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[03:31] <nosrednaekim> hollandlucas: not by default, no
[03:31] <hollandlucas> oh what a shame!
[03:31] <marrk`laptop> largo24, feels warm
[03:31] <marrk`laptop> not hot tho
[03:31] <hollandlucas> Gutsy will be released earlier than KDE 4, right?
[03:32] <nosrednaekim> hollandlucas: probabl
[03:32] <hollandlucas> I'm really excited about KDE4
[03:32] <Dr_willis> I dont think kde4 has a firm release date yet.
[03:32] <hollandlucas> October 23
[03:32] <nosrednaekim> its like october 26... and its as firm as any other relase schedule
[03:32] <hollandlucas> that's what it says in the wikipedia article on KDE
[03:32] <nosrednaekim> yeah.. w/e
[03:32] <secret> lol
[03:33] <secret> can you help me?
[03:33] <secret> There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages. ?
[03:33] <Balaams_Miracle> And since Gutsy is scheduled for early october, there is no chance that Gutsy will have KDE4
[03:33] <ubuntu__> Hola soy nuevo
[03:33] <nosrednaekim> secret: try starting up adept-manager.
[03:33] <secret> Maybe this was a bad install
[03:34] <nosrednaekim> which gives a bit more detailed info
[03:34] <ubuntu__> alguien habla espaol?
[03:34] <lucky_lucas> does anyone know if it's possible to use both flash and gnash on konqueror/firefox to test, report bug and report working sites
[03:34] <secret> yes ok
[03:34] <secret> it is open
[03:34] <secret> opps adept installer
[03:34] <secret> is open
[03:34] <nosrednaekim> try installing what ever you were going to install with that..
[03:36] <secret> ok, also, do you know where the temporary internet files are with konquer?
[03:36] <secret> no about:cache?
[03:37] <secret> anyone there? dam connection...
[03:37] <nosrednaekim> secret: did that work?
[03:37] <secret> i will try
[03:38] <secret> no
[03:38] <nosrednaekim> I don't use konqueror for filebrowsing, but I would suppose its somewhere in .kde
[03:38] <secret> it gives same message: There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[03:38] <nosrednaekim> secret: what is the error?
[03:38] <nosrednaekim> what are you trying to install?
[03:38] <secret> firefox
[03:38] <Daisuke_Ido> secret: apt-get -f install?
[03:38] <secret> anything, ssame message
[03:38] <secret> come on?
[03:38] <secret> what for everything?
[03:39] <secret> ok i try
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> maybe you can't access your mirror.
[03:39] <secret> ok where is that?
[03:39] <secret> you mean the server?
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> yeah.
[03:39] <secret> hmmz
[03:40] <secret> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[03:40] <secret> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[03:41] <nosrednaekim> close adept.
[03:41] <secret> when I try sudo apt-get -f install
[03:41] <nosrednaekim> and any other package manager.
[03:41] <secret> my bad
[03:44] <secret> ok it installed java
[03:44] <secret> hmmz
[03:44] <secret> what's going on eh?
[03:44] <nosrednaekim> you mean... it worked?
[03:45] <secret> I mean, i can't see firefox
[03:45] <secret> it installed java though
[03:45] <secret> sudo apt-get -f install
[03:45] <nosrednaekim> can't see firfox where
[03:45] <secret> in internet, k menu
[03:46] <nosrednaekim> oh.... so what happens if you say "sudo apt-get install firefox" does it print an error?
[03:46] <secret> I will try
[03:47] <secret> it seems to be installing
[03:48] <secret> Installed
[03:48] <secret> so what's going on with adept?
[03:48] <secret> thanks btw
[03:48] <nosrednaekim> hmm interesting.
[03:48] <nosrednaekim> I'm not sure... try installing something else.. maybe it just had problems with that package.
[03:48] <nosrednaekim> and thats also why its always good to have a command line around
[03:48] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[03:48] <secret> ok then
[03:49] <secret> new too linux:D
[03:50] <secret> all im getting now is the adept manager wont load, it gives me an hour glass and thats it
[03:50] <secret> disapears
[03:50] <nosrednaekim> hmm......
[03:50] <secret> Ill try add and remove
[03:51] <nosrednaekim> ok... I have to go good luck.
[03:51] <secret> ok, well I have a big error now
[03:51] <BluesKaj> Howdy all :)
[03:51] <secret> ok then thax again
[03:51] <nosrednaekim> ask BluesKajif you have any problems secret
[03:52] <nosrednaekim> hi BluesKaj BTW.
[03:52] <BluesKaj> hey nosrednaekim
[03:52] <nosrednaekim> and bye...
[03:52] <nosrednaekim> lol
[03:52] <secret> k
[03:52] <BluesKaj> work nosrednaekim ?
[03:52] <secret> blueskaj im having problems with adept
[03:52] <secret> can you help?
[03:53] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: school... i'm in highschool
[03:53] <DexterF> !uuid
[03:53] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[03:53] <BluesKaj> ok , secret describe your prob
[03:53] <Daisuke_Ido> !apt-get-fix
[03:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apt-get-fix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:53] <Daisuke_Ido> !apt-get fix
[03:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apt-get fix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:53] <nosrednaekim> !adept fix
[03:53] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[03:54] <secret> ok now it's working wtf?
[03:54] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, if you are in HS ...yer attitude is quite mature :)
[03:54] <secret> ill assume it fixed itself
[03:54] <sercik> how can i configure konqyeror to open .ram files??
[03:54] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: thank you!
[03:54] <nosrednaekim> and bye
[03:54] <secret> thanks nos
[03:55] <BluesKaj> ok  cya
[03:55] <BluesKaj> secret, were installing something before it fixed itself ?
[03:56] <eagles0513875> how do i start the jack audio server daemon
[03:57] <secret> no it give me an error mesage each time I tryed too install or remove:
[03:57] <secret> [23:39]  <-- os2mac has left this server (Remote closed the connection).
[03:57] <secret> [23:40]  --> jthomas has joined this channel (n=eljefe@<IP_ADDRESS>).
[03:57] <secret> [23:40]  --> mallize has joined this channel (n=clemenml@A171118.N1.Vanderbilt.Edu).
[03:57] <secret> [23:40]  <secret> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[03:57] <secret> [23:40]  <secret> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[03:57] <secret> [23:41]  <nosrednaekim> close adept.
[03:57] <secret> [23:41]  <-- incorrect has left this server (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)).
[03:57] <secret> [23:41]  <secret> when I try sudo apt-get -f i
[03:57] <secret> Oh my! zsorry
[03:57] <faidillinger> compiz is off the hook
[03:57] <KomiaPoika> lol
[03:58] <eagles0513875> is secret a bot
[03:58] <secret> no
[03:58] <eagles0513875> lol
[03:58] <KomiaPoika> Rumour has it secret is a bot.
[03:58] <benjamin_hr> :P
[03:58] <secret> excuse me?
[03:58] <secret> I no bot :D
[03:58] <KomiaPoika> secret: What help do you need?
[03:58] <eagles0513875> fyi u might wanna use pastebin.ca secret so that way u dont get kicked for spamming the channel
[03:58] <eagles0513875> anyone know how to start the jack daemon
[03:59] <sercik> how can i configure konqyeror to open .ram files??
[03:59] <secret> I was having problems using adept but it ok now ok?
[03:59] <benjamin_hr> if he "pastebin's" copied chat from here, and post the link, i would be more disappointed if i click on it
[03:59] <secret> thanks guys
[03:59] <BluesKaj> secret, so you did the cmnd 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a' and it was fixed , right ?
[03:59] <secret> I did that yes
[03:59] <secret> no wait
[03:59] <secret> I did this
[04:00] <KomiaPoika> benjamin_hr: lmao
[04:00] <secret> yes i did what it says
[04:00] <BluesKaj> ok fine, just making sure it wasn't a diff prob
[04:00] <secret> and now it's fixed
[04:00] <secret> ty
[04:01] <eagles0513875> blue how do i start the jack daemon
[04:01] <eagles0513875> so i can use jack rack
[04:01] <eagles0513875> what im tryign to say is how do i get the jack server up
[04:01] <benjamin_hr> sounds like a naughty question
[04:02] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875, sorry dunno, never had much luck with jack ...to me it's clunky and convoluted
[04:02] <eagles0513875> lol
[04:02] <BluesKaj> alsa
[04:02] <eagles0513875> anyone know how to start the jack server
[04:02] <BluesKaj> man jack in the konsole eagles0513875
[04:02] <ArtMoonik> test ?
[04:02] <ardchoille> Passed
[04:03] <eagles0513875> ok BluesKaj
[04:03] <BluesKaj> there must be a ' how to use jack' page somewhere
[04:04] <benjamin_hr> there must be, there are so many "how to jack" -pages out there
[04:04] <eagles0513875> lol i dunno
[04:06] <highlandcairn> need a little help. how do i use my usb/serial connector to login to a different pc
[04:07] <Dr_willis> highlandcairn,  going serial to serial? ya could use a terminal program and a shell on the serial line. for just a terminal. Or could setup 'slip' but its been Years since ive done either.
[04:07] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875, try this:
[04:07] <BluesKaj> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8781
[04:08] <eagles0513875> ty blue ill try it
[04:08] <eagles0513875> i hate ati
[04:09] <ardchoille> You're not alone.
[04:09] <highlandcairn> Dr_willis, similiar for me. only thing i've ever used was telnet/ssh
[04:09] <eagles0513875> lol took me ages before i was able to get my open gl to work lol ardchoille
[04:09] <Dr_willis> ive had dumb-serial terminals hooked up befor. :)
[04:09] <Dr_willis> 9600 Baud :)
[04:10] <BluesKaj> here's a hint for searching for linux stuff on google , separates alotta windows crap from a search,  http://www.google.com/linux
[04:11] <highlandcairn> now that's going back a bit :)
[04:12] <zhangkai> After running about 40 hours,My machine begin slowly.
[04:16] <kaizad> hi people
[04:17] <kaizad> this is kaizad & i am new 2 ubuntu ie. linux platform !
[04:17] <kaizad> can someone tell me how do u register for irc ! ! !
[04:17] <kaizad> ?
[04:17] <kaizad> ?
[04:17] <kaizad> plzzzzzz...
[04:17] <Dr_willis> kaizad,  - /msg nickserv help
[04:17] <Dr_willis> kaizad,  and read the bots info and check the freenode website
[04:18] <kaizad> thanx man ! ;)
[04:18] <kaizad> REGISTER
[04:19] <kaizad> REGISTER kaizad
[04:19] <kaizad> ?
[04:19] <Daisuke_Ido> o merciful god in heaven, why hath thou cursed your servant with this friggin chucklehead?
[04:20] <Daisuke_Ido> kaizad: read harder
[04:20] <kaizad> waaaa dude
[04:20] <kaizad> plzzzz
[04:20] <kaizad> i am new dude :D
[04:20] <kaizad> srry ! ;)
[04:20] <BluesKaj> in the server page not the the chat, kaizad
[04:20] <kaizad> now what is server page ?
[04:20] <Dr_willis> and you '/msg nickserv thecommand touse'
[04:20] <kaizad> i know i might b annoying but plz help ! !
[04:20] <Dr_willis> read the priv message from the nickserv bot.
[04:21] <BluesKaj> where it says freenode ,,the textbox
[04:21] <kaizad> where?
[04:21] <Dr_willis> time to explore your irc client. :)
[04:21] <BluesKaj> what irc client are you using?
[04:21] <Daisuke_Ido> it probably says "Ubuntu IRC"
[04:21] <kaizad> konversation
[04:21] <kaizad> konversation
[04:21] <kaizad> konversation
[04:22] <kaizad> is it right ?
[04:22] <Daisuke_Ido> that's a client, yes :)
[04:22] <kaizad> oh
[04:22] <Daisuke_Ido> over on the left there should be a tree view
[04:22] <kaizad> so is it diff from other clients available?
[04:22] <kaizad> no nothin here
[04:22] <Dr_willis> in linux - theres always 12+ programs to do somthing.
[04:22] <Daisuke_Ido> like:
[04:22] <Daisuke_Ido> Ubuntu IRC
[04:22] <Daisuke_Ido> \- #kubuntu
[04:23] <kaizad> ya kubuntu
[04:23] <Daisuke_Ido> what's above that?
[04:23] <kaizad> nothin !
[04:23] <kaizad> hey dude ! can i hav a cam chat where i can show u  my screen or something  ! ?
[04:24] <Dr_willis> if you did a /msg nickserv help
[04:24] <Dr_willis> the bot 'should' of replied in its own private window
[04:24] <kaizad> [19:54]  [Notice]  -NickServ- NickServ allows you to "register" a nickname and
[04:24] <kaizad> [19:54]  [Notice]  -NickServ- prevent others from using it. The following
[04:24] <kaizad> [19:54]  [Notice]  -NickServ- commands allow for registration and maintenance of
[04:24] <kaizad> [19:54]  [Notice]  -NickServ- nicknames; to use them, type /msg NickServ <command>.
[04:24] <Balaams_Miracle> kaizad: Press the "Print screen" key and upload it to a picture host or something...
[04:24] <kaizad> [19:54]  [Notice]  -NickServ- For more information on a specific command, type
[04:24] <kaizad> [19:54]  [Notice]  -NickServ- /msg NickServ help <command>.
[04:24] <kaizad> [19:54]  [Notice]  -NickServ-
[04:25] <kaizad> [19:54]  [Notice]  -NickServ-     REGISTER   Register a nickname
[04:25] <Dr_willis> thats a private message from the bot..
[04:25] <kaizad> [19:54]  [Notice]  -NickServ-     DROP       Cancel the registration of a nickname
[04:25] <kaizad> [19:54]  [Notice]  -NickServ-     IDENTIFY   Identify yourself with your password
[04:25] <kaizad> [19:54]  [Notice]  -NickServ-     ACCESS     Modify the list of authorized addresses
[04:25] <Dr_willis> you dont need to paste it here.. READ it. :)
[04:25] <kaizad> [19:54]  [Notice]  -NickServ-     SET        Set various options for your nickname
[04:25] <kaizad> [19:54]  [Notice]  -NickServ-     LIST       Display list of nicks matching a pattern
[04:25] <Balaams_Miracle> kaizad: or use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[04:25] <kaizad> [19:54]  [Notice]  -NickServ-     RECOVER    Kill another user who has taken your nick
[04:25] <Dr_willis> theres never a need to paste stuff like that. here.
[04:25] <kaizad> [19:54]  [Notice]  -NickServ-     RELEASE    Regain custody of your nick after RECOVER
[04:25] <kaizad> [19:54]  [Notice]  -NickServ-     GHOST      Kill a ghosted nickname
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[04:25] <kaizad> [19:54]  <Dr_willis> the bot 'should' of replied in its own private window
[04:25] <kaizad> is it this ?
[04:26] <Dr_willis> you msg'd a bot named 'nickserv' ya got a notice back from someone called 'nickserv' :) Logically - thats the reply.
[04:26] <Balaams_Miracle> kaizad: Do not flood the chatroom. For one thing, it is reason to be kicked. Second, there are better ways
[04:26] <kaizad> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24429/
[04:27] <kaizad> oh SORRY PEOPLE ! ~ ~ ~
[04:27] <kaizad> so what next ?
[04:28] <Dr_willis> read what the bot said? :)
[04:28] <Balaams_Miracle> Go to the server page and type /msg NickServ help register
[04:29] <Dr_willis>  /msg NickServ help  <command>  then it gave a list of the commands.
[04:29] <Dr_willis> the server PAGE is documentation.
[04:29] <Dr_willis> not where you put commands to the bot
[04:29] <kaizad> oh
[04:29] <Minataku> Heya, Dr_willis
[04:29] <kaizad> ok ok ok
[04:29] <Dr_willis> ie: ------>    /msg NickServ help  register
[04:29] <kaizad> ya ya got it !
[04:29] <kaizad> :D
[04:29] <Minataku> How is your wife doing?
[04:29] <kaizad> thanx BRO !
[04:29] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  driving me crazy.
[04:29] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Haha
[04:29] <Minataku> That's her job, after all
[04:29] <Minataku> XD
[04:29] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  they want to put her ont he Liver Transplant List. but she dont want to.
[04:30] <Minataku> Yipe
[04:30] <mourlos> how the hell can i install my usb modem?:/
[04:30] <sercik> listen radio with kubuntu???
[04:30] <Dr_willis> she has a 'genetic' disorder that makes cysts form on her liver. Not life threating. but can eventually cause livercancer. so they got to keep an eye on ie.
[04:30] <Dr_willis> Some days she cant get out of bed due to the pain.. other days shes ready to take on the world.
[04:30] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Double yipe
[04:31] <Dr_willis> so i never know how much work i got to do around the house - if she aint feeling up to it.
[04:31] <Minataku> I'd imagine with said disorder even a new liver would cause issue
[04:31] <Minataku> But then I'm an engineer, not a doctor
[04:31] <Dr_willis> its like 'cystic fibrosis' only not in the lungs. but in her liver.
[04:31] <BluesKaj> secik yes, use amarok /[playlists/radio streams
[04:31] <Minataku> Aieeee.
[04:32] <BluesKaj> err sercik
[04:32] <Dr_willis> ive been cleaning up the basement also. :)  figureing what to ship out first.
[04:32] <Minataku> Heehee
[04:32] <Minataku> It'd probably be best to stick it all in one box
[04:32] <Minataku> Find anything else down there I might like?
[04:33] <BluesKaj> Dr_willis, hmm feel like doing my basement ? :)
[04:33] <Dr_willis> then it will all rattle around. I got about 20lbs of amiga floppy disks i found. :)
[04:33] <mourlos> how the hell can i install my usb modem?:/
[04:33] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Haha
[04:33] <Minataku> mourlos: Plug it in
[04:33] <Minataku> You'll probably need ndiswrapper after that
[04:33] <mourlos> not working
[04:33] <Minataku> USB NIC/MAC/Modems suck like that
[04:33] <Dr_willis> she had me crawling under the house allready today. (got me up at 8 am!) to run tv/cat5 cable for her re-aranged bedroom
[04:33] <Minataku> Heh
[04:34] <Minataku> Dr_willis: 1.44MB floppies can be repurposed
[04:34] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  880K was the amiga standard
[04:34] <Minataku> Though if there's awesome stuff on them that's good too
[04:34] <Minataku> I know
[04:34] <Dr_willis> or was they.. i forget.
[04:34] <Minataku> I have a Mac that can probably write that kind of disc
[04:34] <Dr_willis> I think they came out with a 1.4mb drive
[04:34] <Minataku> Two Macs, no less
[04:34] <Minataku> And as for an HDD, they're IDE
[04:34] <Minataku> Which is awesome
[04:35] <Dr_willis> The mac and amiga used similer drives. but not sure how well they  can do it.
[04:35] <beth_19_uk> hi
[04:35] <Minataku> I believe they both used the same writing style
[04:35] <Dr_willis> too new of an ide drive may not work either. AMiga needs a small laptop sized drive.
[04:35] <Minataku> There were two, IIRC
[04:35] <Minataku> I've got plenty of those, too
[04:35] <Minataku> 3.5", 2.5", a couple of each
[04:36] <Dr_willis> Redundant Array of Old Disks
[04:36] <Minataku> When I get a busted or pointless machine, I salvage the parts
[04:36] <Minataku> So I've got plenty of little bits and pieces all over
[04:36] <sercik> thanks BluesKaj
[04:36] <sercik> i need to register on last.fm
[04:36] <sercik> ??
[04:37] <Minataku> But yeah, find any other cool systems down there?
[04:37] <Dr_willis> !irc
[04:37] <ubotu> A list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines
[04:37] <xorl> I got a minor issue, my wireless internet keeps posting "ath0: link becomes ready" right after words a few seconds later "atho: link is not ready"
[04:38] <xorl> and the lights on the card just blink back and forth (pcmcia)
[04:38] <Dr_willis> kaizad,  ya may want to read those !irc urls' the bot just gave.
[04:38] <BluesKaj> dunno, i don't bother with last.fm
[04:38] <Dr_willis> welli gotta go get this insulation off me. :) darn wife. waking me at 8am!
[04:38] <Riddell> ** gutsy desktop CDs neeing tested **
[04:39] <BluesKaj> sercik, just choose the playlist/radiostreams ..not last.fm
[04:39] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Heehee
[04:41] <sercik> i have not radiostreams in amarok
[04:42] <DexterF> how do I change the gtk2 app font in kub?
[04:42] <unmyth> my vpnc- connection is allways dying in feisty after a few seconds .. in edgy it worked
[04:43] <Amarilis> sercik, Playlist>Add streams...
[04:43] <sercik> ah
[04:43] <xorl> damn wireless!
[04:43] <unmyth> somebody having similiar experiences with vpnc
[04:43] <sercik> but i need to know internet address!
[04:43] <Amarilis> or u can listen online radios using a .pls file
[04:43] <sercik> i tought some programs that have presets for most important radio
[04:43] <sercik> not online radio but real radio
[04:50] <Amarilis> there are real radio stations that streams online
[05:01] <DexterF> what automounter can you recommend other than autofs? I'd like submoutn but that's not in any repository
[05:08] <skript> does feisty use ntfs-3g by default for mounting partitions as 'rw' ?
[05:08] <soopafai> i want to play poker on bwin.com but it needs java. i know i can install sun-java but it requires that i agree on their license and use terms.
[05:08] <soopafai> i wanted to know if there was a completely free alternative
[05:08] <Dr_willis> the free alternatives may not work properly
[05:09] <soopafai> i see
[05:09] <soopafai> then im going for sun-java
[05:09] <soopafai> thx Dr_willis
[05:09] <Dr_willis> be sure to get the version 6
[05:09] <Dr_willis> !java
[05:09] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[05:09] <Dr_willis>  sun-java6-jre
[05:10] <soopafai> k
[05:10] <NecroAd> Hey, I'm having trouble installing pidgin -- someone give me a hand?
[05:10] <blekos> anybody using banshee?
[05:10] <nosrednaekim> soopafai: don't worry.. java was just GPLed.
[05:10] <Dr_willis> but sun still has that idiotic EULA thing so far. :)
[05:11] <soopafai> nosrednaekim: oh really, it still has that eula agree on the terms stuff
[05:11] <NecroAd> "configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables" I get this error when I type "./configure" when I'm trying to install pidgin. It does a few things then stops at that.
[05:12] <Dr_willis> you did install build-essential ?
[05:12] <Dr_willis> its the core of the C compiler stuff.
[05:12] <Dr_willis> and you willproberly need a lot of other dev files/libs as well
[05:12] <NecroAd> aha, I didn't see anything about that in the install file.
[05:12] <NecroAd> Thanks for that, I'll give it a shot
[05:12] <Dr_willis> They assume you got a compiuler installed. :)
[05:12] <NecroAd> ooooh.
[05:12] <Dr_willis> !info pidgen
[05:12] <ubotu> Package pidgen does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[05:12] <Dr_willis> suprised its not in seveas
[05:13] <NecroAd> spelt it wrong, I think?
[05:13] <Dr_willis> !\pidgin
[05:13] <ubotu> pidgin is the new name for Gaim forced by AOL's legal dept. It wasn't released in time for Feisty. Expect it in gutsy. See http://www.pidgin.im/index.php for more info.
[05:13] <nosrednaekim> !pidgeon
[05:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pidgeon - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:13] <nosrednaekim> there ya go..
[05:13] <nosrednaekim> its on getdeb.org
[05:13] <NecroAd> aha
[05:14] <NecroAd> danke
[05:17] <Minataku> Dr_willis: wb
[05:17] <hollandlucas> !pidgin
[05:17] <ubotu> pidgin is the new name for Gaim forced by AOL's legal dept. It wasn't released in time for Feisty. Expect it in gutsy. See http://www.pidgin.im/index.php for more info.
[05:18] <Minataku> Why they can't add it is beyond me
[05:19] <Dr_willis> its how they 'do' things. with their release cycle
[05:19] <Dr_willis> For good or bad. :)
[05:20] <Minataku> Mostly bad
[05:20] <Dr_willis> like the updated firefox fiasco a year or so ago.
[05:20] <Minataku> Anyway, did you find any more interesting crap in your basement?
[05:20] <Dr_willis> why even bother with a 6 mo release cycle  becomes the bigger question
[05:20] <Dr_willis> Not yet. :) looking for some box's at the moment
[05:20] <Minataku> Coo
[05:21] <Dr_willis> i got one for the scsi drive  making sure i can find its scsi cable also.. and any othe rbits
[05:21] <Minataku> Sweet
[05:21] <Lattyware> Is there any way to choose onto which virtual desktop a program will be launched?
[05:21] <Lattyware> As in, if starting from a terminal
[05:21] <Dr_willis> Lattyware,  i was thinking the kde window manager rembered that..
[05:21] <Minataku> Lattyware: Be on that one when you launch it
[05:21] <Dr_willis> OR theres a kstart ? or somt similer tool that can set that
[05:21] <Minataku> If you're not, just move it afterwards
[05:22] <Dr_willis> it can set a lot of things
[05:22] <nosrednaekim> Lattyware: yes... you can make kwin remember that. for specific typed of programs
[05:22] <Dr_willis> kstart -->
[05:22] <Dr_willis> Utility to launch applications with special window properties
[05:22] <Dr_willis> such as iconified, maximized, a certain virtual desktop, a special decoration
[05:22] <Dr_willis> and so on.
[05:22] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:22] <Minataku> Hm... I think it's time to give ULTRA2 a real name... but that'll take a while
[05:22] <Minataku> I fixed it, BTW, the CPU modules weren't seated correctly
[05:23] <Lattyware> Basically, what I want to do is auto-start uTorrent under wine, and as wine doesn't play nice with the system tray, I use a seperate virtual desktop
[05:23] <Lattyware> and moving it every boot is annoying.
[05:23] <Minataku> Lattyware: Use a native BT client
[05:23] <Jucato> Lattyware: right-click on the window title bar -> Advanced -> Special window settings ?
[05:23] <Jucato> ah different case... wine...
[05:23] <Lattyware> Minataku: That's not a solution for me. Mainly because all other clients suck.
[05:23] <Dr_willis> Lattyware,  i found it best to use utorrent+wine on its own 'vnc' desktop - :) and a minimal window manager
[05:23] <Dr_willis> that way it staied running in the background all the time. and i could logout
[05:23] <Minataku> Whatever. Terminating support feed.
[05:24] <jthomas_> Lattyware: kTorrent is the opposite of suck!!
[05:24] <Dr_willis> ive had other issues with wine/utorrent.exe
[05:24] <Minataku> BitTornado is an excellent client
[05:24] <Lattyware> No. It has no good DHT support.
[05:24] <Minataku> Done in Python and native as well
[05:24] <jthomas_> KTorrent doest too have DHT
[05:24] <Dr_willis> i recall seeing ktorrent/dht - Not that i am sure what that means. :)
[05:25] <Lattyware> It has it, but it cannot connect to Azureus or uTorrent - so that rules our 99% of DHT peers.
[05:25] <Lattyware> *out
[05:25] <jthomas_> ok so use Azureus
[05:25] <Lattyware> And BitTornado has no multiple clients.
[05:25] <Dr_willis> another nonstandard standard? :)
[05:25] <jthomas_> aren't they all
[05:25] <Lattyware> I get slower speeds with Azureus, and it uses up to much memory, and it often crashes, and often won't start.
[05:25] <nosrednaekim> tell me it isn't so...
[05:25] <Minataku> DHT is probably some retarded crap
[05:25] <Lattyware> *multiple torrents
[05:26] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  i was thinking that was what i'd read about it also. :) but i dident want to say too much
[05:26] <jthomas_> DHT finds peers without tracker services, its really nice actually
[05:26] <Dr_willis> the PrivateTracker sites i recall HATE dht
[05:26] <Minataku> It sounds like a bad idea
[05:26] <Dr_willis> but the priv tracker site i used to use .. stopped.
[05:26] <Lattyware> yeah, In some cases, it is the difference between a torrent with a seed and one you can't download.
[05:27] <Minataku> What, it randomly looks for people? That sounds annoying
[05:27] <jthomas_> Lattyware: file a bug report for KTorrent to improve their DHT, or with uTorrent to make a Linux client.
[05:27] <Minataku> Isn't utorrent making one?
[05:28] <Minataku> Coulda sworn I heard that
[05:28] <jthomas_> Minataku: no, it finds torrents that you already share and then connects those that you *could* be sharing
[05:28] <Minataku> jthomas_: Hm... yeah, that sounds like something that could get you banned from a lot of places
[05:28] <Lattyware> jthomas_: They already know about it, just won't fix it for some reason.
[05:29] <Lattyware> It basically finds extra peers.
[05:29] <Lattyware> It can be extremely useful.
[05:29] <Minataku> Right, and like Dr_willis said, I'm sure it'll get you suspended from a number of places
[05:30] <jthomas_> Minataku: i think its souds useful; the places that 'hate' it are thse that share files they shouldn't
[05:30] <Minataku> As if anyone uses bittorrent for 100% legal purposes
[05:30] <Lattyware> And uTorrent say they won't make a linux one. In fact, uTorrent was recently bought by BitTorrent, so it may change.
[05:30] <Minataku> That is, always for legal purposes
[05:30] <jthomas_> when my DHT is turned on in KTorrent, it SUPER increases the number of IP connections going through my router
[05:31] <Lattyware> It'll get you suspended from private trackers who don't want people who aren't on that tracker.
[05:31] <Minataku> Right, which is why it seems better to not have it at all
[05:31] <Lattyware> But I don't use sites with that restriction. I have better sources for torrents.
[05:31] <Lattyware> Why use a site like that? It limits your peers servly.
[05:32] <Minataku> Sometimes those are the only sources
[05:32] <Minataku> Though I'm interested in yours
[05:32] <Minataku> Care to PM me a listing?
[05:32] <Minataku> I can never find any useful sites, mostly all complete crap or search sites with torrents that have been dead for years
[05:33] <Lattyware> Depends, what do you download?
[05:33] <Minataku> Lattyware: Let's just leave it at "anything"
[05:33] <Lattyware> Then I'm probably of not much use, I download a very small set of files
[05:33] <Lattyware> well, comparatively.
[05:33] <Minataku> I collect abandonware OSes, for one
[05:34] <Minataku> Purely for research purposes only, of course
[05:34] <Lattyware> To name it, I use BitTorrent for two main things, Legal Stuff, and the questionably legal (but morally correct) download of unlicensed anime
[05:35] <DexterF> does the "commercial" repo still exist?
[05:35] <Minataku> No copyright violation if there's no copyright in said country
[05:35] <Minataku> Technically
[05:35] <DexterF> !opera
[05:35] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" (dapper only) is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[05:35] <DexterF> hmm. dapper. not feisty?
[05:36] <Lattyware> DexterF: I think that's outdated to the time of Dappers releast
[05:36] <nosrednaekim> Minataku: my favorite abandonware OS is Vista.
[05:36] <Lattyware> *release
[05:36] <Minataku> nosrednaekim: Haha
[05:36] <Lattyware> I remember seeing that in Feisty.
[05:36] <Lattyware> I'm pretty sure, anywayl
[05:36] <Minataku> I prefer old Unixes
[05:36] <Lattyware> and lol @ nosrednaekim
[05:36] <Lattyware> Allthough that was in Ubuntu, not Kubuntu
[05:38] <Balaams_Miracle> ubotu:, DexterF: see http://deb.opera.com/ for official Opera repos
[05:39] <Tehnik> How to make KDE remember keyboard layout independently  for each application? For example, when I'm  writing a letter in Russian in a mail editor and talking in English in IRC channel at the same time  I have to switch languages every time I switch between editor and IRC client
[05:39] <nosrednaekim> Tehnik: I don;t think you can do that.
[05:39] <Lattyware> Tehnik: You could assign it to Ctrl+K or something
[05:39] <Lattyware> It's the next best thing.
[05:40] <kaizad> what abt babes out here?
[05:40] <Tehnik> GNOME supports this feature. Why KDE developers can't implement it?
[05:40] <nosrednaekim> my dear Red comrade
[05:40] <sivaji> is there any way to protect a file with password
[05:40] <c1|freaky> is there thunderbird2.0 for kubuntu?
[05:40] <nosrednaekim> yeah.. youcould do a chortcut
[05:40] <nosrednaekim> *shortcut
[05:42] <nosrednaekim> sivaji: yes... when you say "save" there should be a radio button for save with passwd
[05:43] <DexterF> kaffeine complains "cant bind to info socket" on startup - what do I have to make of this?
[05:43] <sivaji> nosrednaekim : i want to protect audio file
[05:43] <DexterF> Balaams_Miracle: no feisty repos yet. well, ok.
[05:43] <nosrednaekim> google it.
[05:43] <Minataku> Don't tell me Ubuntu is turning into Debian with explicitly following those damn FSGs
[05:44] <Minataku> Not that I think Opera should be used at all anyway
[05:44] <Balaams_Miracle> DexterF: I am an Opera user myself and the official Opera repos are very reliable. For feisty, i use the Sarge repo
[05:44] <DexterF> Balaams_Miracle: i see, thanks
[05:45] <sivaji> nosrednaekim i got it gpg
[05:45] <sivaji> nosrednaekim do u know anything about that
[05:47] <nosrednaekim> sivaji: nope
[05:48] <nosrednaekim> other than its unbreakable