[13:13] <coz_> good day all
[13:59] <matthewmain> hi all
[13:59] <coz_> matthewmain,  hey guy
[14:00] <matthewmain> hows tricks
[14:04] <coz_> matthewmain,  same old same old  I guess :)
[14:09] <matthewmain> fair enough well im new to ubuntu so please forgive me, but i was reading the community pages and discovered about making artwork for the community and projects, im no master graphic designer but i do have a passion to learn, im currently teaching myself XHTML and CSS i also use Coreldraw x5 on windows 7, but i really want to make a leap forward into ubuntu and get more into graphic design and web design, the best way for me to learn
[14:09] <matthewmain>  is to do, and for that helping with projects for ubuntu is a good reason.
[14:11] <coz_> matthewmain,  well...applications on linux for graphics are mainly   Inkscape for vector drawing  better than Illustrator,,  gimp for bitmap ... agave for color choosing...mypaint for natural media  similar to corel Painter
[14:12] <coz_> matthewmain,  there is also Pencil which is a minor flash equivelent of  adobe flash
[14:12] <coz_> and  Pinta   a sort of clone for  paint.net
[14:13] <coz_> matthewmain,  do you have examples of some of your work?
[14:13] <coz_> matthewmain,  they dont have to be OS related
[14:14] <matthewmain> my work is nothing amazing, mainly photography based and as i said im learning xhtml and css, but i would in some shape or form be able to help on a project
[14:15] <coz_> matthewmain,  that's cool...
[14:15] <matthewmain> i have a lot to learn, and to have a goal to reach will push me to learn, rather than just making silly stuff that will never be used or work
[14:17] <coz_> matthewmain,  if you look at the links in the Topic it will get you started with areas of possible contribution options I believe
[14:17] <coz_> http://design.canonical.com/2011/01/bright-light-and-beautiful/
[14:17] <coz_> http://design.canonical.com/2011/01/the-natty-wallpaper-contest-an-important-update/
[14:17] <coz_> http://design.canonical.com/2011/01/free-culture-showcase/
[14:17] <coz_> etc
[14:17] <coz_> although I believe most of the wallpapers have been chosen,,, although there may still be time for that
[14:18] <matthewmain> ok cool i will check those out while a do a full install of 10.10 on my laptop
[14:18] <matthewmain> what areas do you work on
[14:19] <coz_> matthewmain,  what you should probably do is stick around on this channel and ask others like vish  aka eveilvish... thorwil    kwwii
[14:20] <coz_> matthewmain,  not much for me...  we really dont have "power" over content,,, occasionally a call for graphics is sent out,,, as in the wallpaper contest..but dont let that discourage you
[14:20] <coz_> matthewmain,  here is some of my  OS unrelated work  although there is one wallpaper on there     http://www.flickr.com/photos/coz_
[14:24] <coz_> matthewmain,  I realize my stuff is not that great but I never claimed to be "king of art"  :)
[14:25] <matthewmain> coz_, are they all ahnd drawn?
[14:25] <coz_> matthewmain,  yes except for the ones marked as  "digital"
[14:26] <coz_> matthewmain,  and even those are essentially hand drawn on a computer
[14:26] <matthewmain> coz_, you have more talent than me, i mainly look at photography and digital art
[14:27] <coz_> matthewmain,  no no no
[14:27] <coz_> matthewmain,  dont confuse the ability to draw  as art
[14:27] <coz_> matthewmain,  drawing has nothing to do with art.. it is simply draftmenship
[14:27] <coz_> matthewmain,  the key is in composing the final work be it photography,,, abstract  etc etc
[14:27] <matthewmain> well i can;t draw full stop lol
[14:28] <coz_> matthewmain,  a keen sense of desing,, line...colour... values.. are the keys to fine art
[14:28] <coz_> design
[14:28] <coz_> matthewmain,  no biggie,,, draftsmanship is way over rated :)
[14:29] <matthewmain> i will see if i can find some examples of what i would like to be able to do
[14:30] <coz_> matthewmain,   absolutely,, just remember that your design sense your compositional sense is the key,, how you place the objects in the photograph  etc etc :)
[14:32] <coz_> matthewmain,  you will have a unique personal sense at to where you place things withing the photograph,, that's what needs to be honed,,
[14:32] <coz_> as to
[14:33] <matthewmain> i know, but with out the knowledge to use the software to get the desired effects there is no point in having an idea
[14:33] <coz_> matthewmain,  thats the least you will have to concentrate on
[14:34] <coz_> matthewmain,  the "vocabulary"  of an application...meanning how it works ,,,where things are...how to use them... is not going to take a long time
[14:34] <matthewmain> http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://wallpaperstock.net/hearts-for-abstract_wallpapers_8170_1280x960.jpg&imgrefurl=http://wallpaperstock.net/hearts-for-abstract_wallpapers_8170_1280x960_1.html&usg=__i3ameQ5O1nw68_47YELPHOEJH8c=&h=960&w=1280&sz=182&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=A72Fxm7idEud0M:&tbnh=124&tbnw=187&ei=ScqATaHhKdG0hAeDqPSuBw&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dabstract%2Bwallpaper%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1366%26bih%3D565%26tbs%3Dis
[14:34] <matthewmain> ch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=1070&vpy=264&dur=976&hovh=194&hovw=259&tx=174&ty=154&oei=ScqATaHhKdG0hAeDqPSuBw&page=1&ndsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:17,s:0
[14:34] <coz_> matthewmain,  your ideas are within your mind already... getting used to application control is the easy part :)
[14:35] <coz_> matthewmain,  there you go
[14:35] <matthewmain> i hope so, i can us photoshop but have been struggling with corel draw, things just dont seem to flow right
[14:35] <coz_> matthewmain,  no corel draw is ,, in my opinion...way outdated
[14:35] <matthewmain> thats the sort of thing i want to be able to do
[14:35] <coz_> matthewmain,  cool
[14:35] <coz_> matthewmain,  that can be done in inkscape as well  which is vector
[14:36] <matthewmain> http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.piculous.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/__light_wallpaper_2___by_whitespiritwolf.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.piculous.com/10-most-creative-abstract-wallpapers/&usg=__lLg7D8WY5VCyXu5FC-Sn5wr9mbw=&h=563&w=900&sz=87&hl=en&start=54&zoom=1&tbnid=oydJ8cIBFec8MM:&tbnh=126&tbnw=182&ei=0MqATeisE8H94Ab76ujVBw&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dabstract%2Bwallpaper%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1366%26bih%3D565%26tbs%
[14:36] <matthewmain> 3Disch:10%2C1254&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=307&vpy=210&dur=592&hovh=177&hovw=284&tx=190&ty=122&oei=ScqATaHhKdG0hAeDqPSuBw&page=4&ndsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:54&biw=1366&bih=565
[14:36] <coz_> matthewmain,  inkscape may take a while to understand the "geography" or "vocabulary" of the application
[14:36] <matthewmain> theres another look
[14:36] <coz_> matthewmain,  very cool
[14:37] <matthewmain> what i need to do is learn how to turn a simple idea into something that amazing
[14:37] <coz_> matthewmain,  well that is going to be a combination of learning the application of course... but more importantly understanding and listening to your personal  "artist"s eye"
[14:38] <matthewmain> i can see ideas that i want to do, but when it come to mouse to screen it nevers goes right, i dont seem to be able to break down the idea in the right way or software control never happens
[14:38] <coz_> matthewmain,  that is partly inexperience with the application ...
[14:38] <coz_> matthewmain,  dont let it discourage future attempts
[14:39] <coz_> matthewmain,  digital art is complex only because the application itself adds another "learning curve"  to the project
[14:39] <matthewmain> another thing i find hard is that there are tones of tuts for photoshop, but hardly any for corel
[14:40] <coz_> matthewmain,  well there are millions of tons of tutorials and video tutorials for inkscape  and gimp
[14:40] <matthewmain> yeh im gonna start learning, im just gonna find it diffrent from what i was bought up on i.e photoshop
[14:40] <coz_> if you prefer vector art ,,,  which is rescalable withouth loss  the inkscape is the way to go... if you like the bitmap ...jpeg,,,png then gimp
[14:41] <coz_> matthewmain,  which version of photoshop  are you running?
[14:41] <matthewmain> i dont run it anymore, i can;t afford the software, but back when i was in school, i may have borrowed a copy of the first cs from the web sum where
[14:42] <coz_> matthewmain,  ok if you get the chance to have another cd  ,,,most versions of photoshop can be installed onto ubuntu after installing an application named "wine"
[14:42] <coz_> as are many other windows appliations
[14:43] <matthewmain> yup i have wine, just let down that the coreldraw install crash's and wont complete
[14:43] <coz_> or just dual boot windows and linux
[14:43] <coz_> or virtual box install of windows
[14:43] <matthewmain> well thats what im doing at the moment but i want to lose the fat slob and stick with streamlined and slick interface
[14:44] <coz_> matthewmain,  well as you already know..linux can be set to look any way you want ;)
[14:44] <matthewmain> lol
[14:45] <matthewmain> i just fined win 7 to be a very slow peice of crap
[14:45] <coz_> matthewmain,  ah yes I have experience win7   although it's appearance was actually taken from kde4's interface
[14:45] <matthewmain> intresting
[14:45] <coz_> matthewmain, kde4 of course is a linux desktop environment
[14:46] <matthewmain> i much prefer the look and feel to ubuntu
[14:46] <coz_> matthewmain,    yes but you can make it look like win7  or mac if you want :)
[14:46] <matthewmain> would a osx version of cs work on ubuntu?
[14:47] <matthewmain> why ruin the unqiue look of a good os?
[14:47] <coz_> matthewmain,  not that I am aware of .. i dont know of any mac emulators ...although mac is unix based,, and the applications..theoretically should work on linux  ,,,apple prevents that
[14:48] <matthewmain> yeh its just that i own a mac and if i was to by cs then it would be the mac conterpart
[14:48] <coz_> matthewmain,  excellent question... i still dont know why people make linux look like mac  :(
[14:49] <coz_> matthewmain,  well you could dual boot macos  with ubuntu on the same machine
[14:49] <coz_> or use macs virtual machine to install ubuntu
[14:49] <matthewmain> but thats hassle i would prefer it to be streamlined lol
[14:50] <matthewmain> i guess they change the look of an os to help with transition between diffrent os's
[14:50] <coz_> matthewmain,  understood..although because of apple's unique systems integration ,, which is why it costs so much,,,ubuntu would run very well
[14:50] <matthewmain> i may look in to it,
[14:51] <coz_> matthewmain,  whichever configuration you choose,,, the applications are what are going to be the key
[14:51] <matthewmain> it all depends on what i decide to do i guess
[14:51] <matthewmain> yeh
[14:52] <coz_> matthewmain,  yes there are several options in your case for system config..
[14:52] <matthewmain> yup, well i have to play and see how i progress
[14:52] <coz_> matthewmain,  for sure.. and please go to #ubuntu for specific help with issues concerning ubuntu...most helpful in that channel :)
[14:53] <matthewmain> but one thing for sure is i will prob be designing on linux and osx
[14:53] <coz_> matthewmain,  both are excellent choices :)
[14:53] <matthewmain> what systems and apps do you use from day to day
[14:54] <coz_> matthewmain,   I use mainly ubuntu,, I dual boot with windows  when I need specific things...window for music composition and linux mainly for graphics
[14:54] <coz_> matthewmain,  but I am generally on ubuntu most of the day
[14:54] <matthewmain> fair enough
[14:55] <coz_> matthewmain,  I havent been composing lately so windows sits idle :)
[14:55] <matthewmain> why windows for music composition
[14:56] <coz_> matthewmain,  well ,, I started out with windows and music and have specific applications I have become accustomed to... I have macs  but I find windows a better platform  than mac for this
[14:57] <coz_> matthewmain,   I know that is against most  opinions on the topic :)
[14:57] <coz_> matthewmain,  I havent used a mac in years
[14:57] <coz_> matthewmain,  and I started with an SE/30  which is sitting across the room right now ...
[14:58] <coz_> black and white monitor  lol
[14:58] <matthewmain> ok, i just found the kernal in windows to be shit lol, found tones of latency problems, some i may have been able to help but was not viable at the time
[14:59] <coz_> matthewmain,  ah on win7  that is the case
[14:59] <coz_> matthewmain,  manny complaints about latency issues on win7
[14:59] <matthewmain> i had a fair number with xp as well
[15:00] <coz_> matthewmain,   xp does the job for me ,,
[15:00] <coz_> matthewmain,  for music anyway
[15:00] <coz_> matthewmain, although there are exceptinal digital workstations for linux   "ardour"  and a lowlatency kernel as well
[15:01] <coz_> matthewmain,  however the learning curve for ardour is too much for me at this point...
[15:03] <matthewmain> fair enough, i was using cubase sx and reason back in the day, but i fell out of love for the technical side for music and got very bored, but i have recenlty started playing again
[15:04] <coz_> matthewmain,  very cool... I try to keep it simple ... I use a little app  ntrack studio along with  wavelab by steinberg... and a roland xv-88 keyboard
[15:05] <matthewmain> nice
[15:06] <coz_> matthewmain,  well...it works for me :)
[15:06] <matthewmain> mine was simple too, audidgy plat + maudio controller and then software
[15:06] <coz_> matthewmain,  yep... I find the simpler the number of applications the more can be done
[15:07] <coz_> matthewmain,  there are too many out there that can only confuse and waste time,,, in my opinion
[15:07] <matthewmain> yes very agreed
[15:08] <matthewmain> my dam laptop is playing around lol
[15:08] <coz_> :)
[15:09] <matthewmain> it never likes freshly burned disc, i always have to rub them on something before the laptop will play them right
[15:09] <coz_> oooo
[15:09] <coz_> matthewmain,  do you smoke?
[15:13] <matthewmain> yes
[15:13] <matthewmain> but i dont smoke in the house
[15:14] <coz_> matthewmain,  ah ok because cigarette smoke will eventually destroy a cdplayer
[15:15] <coz_> it stains the lazer lens... I have not found a way to remove stains from a lens
[15:15] <matthewmain> isopropa alcohol should do it
[15:16] <coz_> matthewmain,  not sure
[15:16] <coz_> matthewmain,  my nephew smokes cigars.. and has already destroyed  5 cdroms
[15:16] <matthewmain> nice
[15:17] <coz_> matthewmain,  he bought me a new one  and I keep that in a box and only attacth it via usb when I need it
[15:17] <coz_> and of course I make  him smoke outside now :)
[15:17] <matthewmain> cool
[15:18] <matthewmain> well as soon as the laptop has a fresh copy of ubuntu on it im gonna start looking for these tuts and look towards learning a few new programs
[15:18] <coz_> matthewmain,  excellent!  start with inkscape and gimp :)
[15:19] <matthewmain> yup will do, im running ubuntu on this machine but this is dual boxed so im gonna see how ubuntu squares up on my lap top
[15:20] <coz_> matthewmain,  cool  the next release of ubunt is at the end of April this year...
[15:20] <matthewmain> i heard it sometimes better to leave it a month before updating
[15:22] <coz_> matthewmain,  well  if you mean updating to a new version..then I generally tell people to simply back up what they need to save and then clean install the new version...this eliminates and upgrading issues that more often than not occur,,, however some people do just fine with it :)
[15:23] <matthewmain> ok will bare that in mind
[15:24] <matthewmain> so where do i find the current projects that are needing work
[15:25] <coz_> matthewmain,  check the links in the topic for this channel
[15:26] <coz_> Channel for Community Artwork Team: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork | Ubuntu Brand Identity Guidelines are available at: http://design.canonical.com/the-toolkit/ubuntu-brand-guidelines/ | Looking for ways to contribute to Ubuntu? » http://is.gd/iwunay ; http://is.gd/edapuj ; http://is.gd/suhucu
[15:28] <matthewmain> thank you
[15:28] <coz_> matthewmain,  no problem
[15:29] <matthewmain> will have a look see what they need doing and start working i guess, are you always around/ what time frame are you on?
[15:30] <coz_> matthewmain,  generall here everyday... and as I said also speak with vish aka evilvish  :)  thorwill  and kwwii
[15:31] <matthewmain> kk
[15:35] <coz_> ok I need to break here,,, be back later
[20:02] <coz_> hey all
[20:03] <zniavre> hey alone
[20:04] <zniavre> do you hav any script to say "hey all" in all room you entered  coz_  ?
[20:04] <zniavre> :o)
[20:05] <coz_> zniavre,  no I use  /amsg thenwhat ever I want to say example    /amsg  hey guys
[20:05] <coz_> zniavre,  it will then say "hey guys" on all channels and servers I have set
[20:06] <coz_> zniavre,  of course many  channels dont like it so I dont do it that often because it lights up all the channels people are on
[20:06] <zniavre> :o)
[20:13] <coz_> zniavre,  I am on xchat so if I type /amsg and the message that's what happens..sorry I should have explained that better
[20:19] <zniavre> it's ok thank you
[20:51] <darkmatter> freezing. rain. gah.
[20:52]  * darkmatter sighs
[20:52] <darkmatter> good day to y'all anyway
[20:56] <coz_> darkmatter,  oo freezing rain is always  bad
[20:58] <darkmatter> coz_: guess I'm stayng in for the rest of the week :P
[20:58] <coz_> darkmatter,  its' suppose to last all week?
[20:59] <coz_> Weather for: Pittsburgh, PA Updated: Wed, 16 March 2011 20:51:00 GMT Conditions are: Overcast Current temperature: 44°F/7°C Humidity: 82% Wind: From the West → at 8 MPH
[20:59] <darkmatter> coz_: no. it's just cold ish here in a day or two. = ice more slippery than an oil slick
[20:59] <coz_> for sure about the ice
[21:05] <darkmatter> brb. empathy is pretending it's intelligent again...
[21:16] <darkmatter> coz_: figured out a lot more crap last night. still a long way to go, but getting there ;)
[21:18] <coz_> darkmatter,  I do not doubt you :)
[21:19] <coz_> if anyone is in terested ,, this site    www.ted.com   has videos of remarkabale people with sometimes quite remarkable ideas... there is comedy there also
[21:19] <darkmatter> coz_: I've had ted in my podcasts for like... years. awesome stuff
[21:20] <coz_> darkmatter,  cool   its a new discovery for me  and I am very very impressed :)
[21:20] <darkmatter> :)
[21:21] <coz_> very inspriing at times
[21:22] <darkmatter> yes. now if only ted could inspire my "panel" revisions. hehe
[21:22] <coz_> :)
[21:29] <darkmatter> coz_: I can't decide though. but I'm thinking global menu (ala amiga, not "macish") for the sake of consistency. I'd just leave them in app, but meh. theres consistency issues, the fact I don't like menubars, and the fact that menu buttons are just as bad in some ways :P
[21:29] <coz_> darkmatter,  yeah I guess you have to use the lest of the evil ...yes?
[21:31] <darkmatter> coz_: but regardless, still the same influences. the best from amiga, beos, classic nix: reimagined and brought > to a new way of doing stuff (as in, not nostalgic, but as in "that was an awesome feature, why did it have to die?"). all about efficient, friendly, humanized computing. not about "feeling old" :P
[21:32] <coz_> darkmatter,  it dies because either  no one remembers them...or they think they can do better and ineveitably break the origianl concept
[21:35] <darkmatter> coz_: yeah. and the amiga approach was nice for another reason: space reusage. it was an autohide thing (basically uby copied it, but not as well in many ways). but basically, you could fill the panel with all kinds of useful crap (granted most third party, and horriblr manual configuration and stuff, but this is the 80's were referencing ;)), then key combo, right click would change the panel mode to menu. of course will do it diffe
[21:35] <darkmatter> rently (and without "omg! need options!"  I mean, the "bad" parts, sure. but if you look at all the "good" that got killed with it. I mean, drag-to-install (the amiga version of it) was pure love. tracker in beos, I don't care how much more robust things have become, current file managers (not just on *nix, but mac/win as well) can barely touch it. or be's find. lol. we have semantic searches that "just barely" do what that did, e
[21:44] <darkmatter> tc
[21:45] <coz_> ok I have to break here beback in a bit
[21:45] <darkmatter> coz_: that's the things I miss. not the "my ui looks like it was built in lego!", but some of the conceppts/ideas that got trashed in favor of "our way is better, because we think we're cool!" ;P


[00:43] <MiraxTH>
[02:33] <deitarion> Where's the Kubuntu alternate image? I'm trying to reinstall my brother's PC with UEFI disabled for multi-boot reasons and the Kubuntu installer goes to black screen at the X11 phase, even with nomodeset, even with nomodeset nolapic, and even with nomodeset nolapic noapic.
[02:34] <deitarion> (That is, with what his UEFI refers to as "Legacy booting only")
[02:35] <deitarion> (In case anyone has something else to suggest, he's running an Intel-based machine with a GeForce GTX 760)
[02:35] <deitarion> Oh, I specifically want Kubuntu 14.04, not 14.10. He has to leave for University tomorrow morning and that's a known quantity.
[02:39] <deitarion> Ugh. Finally managed to squeeze "they no longer make them" out of Google. I guess I'll give him one of my Lubuntu DVD+Rs and he can apt-get kubuntu-desktop afterward.
[03:06] <deitarion> *grr* I'm now very glad that Windows 7 was freshly installed because apparently, in the text-mode installer's partitioner, "Go Back" means "commit deletion of delete partition table and return to menu".
[03:07] <deitarion> s/of delete/of/
[03:13] <deitarion> *sigh* Thank goodness. It didn't delete Win7... it just has no way to revert beyond the one step of undo offered to reach the actual on-disk state of the partition short of rebooting and starting the text-mode install over.
[03:13] <deitarion> s/partition/partition table/
[04:11] <mneuro> I am unable to install the FGLRX driver in Kubuntu 14.04.2.  I choose fglrx and click accept but it doesn't install it.  Is ther a known fix?
[08:11] <deitarion> Ugh! It DID delete Windows 7 because the "use all free space" option treated the entire drive as free!
[09:30] <NoOova> what office package used in kde?
[09:40] <dinosaur> Can you run x-terminal-emulator and give me the output? I want to get to know what kind of terminal emulator is used in Kubuntu by default
[10:07] <falken> KMail hasn't been able to create IMAP folders for years. ANy ideas how to interest upstream in fixing it ? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=292418
[10:09] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:22] <falken> (ubottu:) no, it's not resolved. see the comments,
[12:58] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:47] <Dtcdarkraven> greetings all, im trying to locate my theme folder for kde 4.14.2 however i cannot find it in /root/.kde/share/kde4/ or /root/.kde/share/apps/ any idea on were to look?
[15:57] <deitarion> Dtcdarkraven: Why are you looking in the root user's $HOME for it?
[15:58] <Dtcdarkraven> mhmm, good question.., i may have misread my information.., were should i be looking at then?
[15:59] <deitarion> Themes installed system-wide or themes installed for just one user?
[16:00] <Dtcdarkraven> system wide would do just fine
[16:00] <deitarion> ...and what kinds of themes are you looking for? (Some, such as icon themes, aren't KDE-specific, and that means they're stored elsewhere)
[16:01] <Dtcdarkraven> im looking to install a kde specific theme really like the light Warp one from KDE-look.org
[16:02] <Coldfusionstorm> Dtcdarkraven, Link ? :D
[16:02] <Coldfusionstorm> i just saw the word Warp
[16:02] <Coldfusionstorm> and im like i wanna see that
[16:03] <Dtcdarkraven> think i found it to.. the link is: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Light+Warp?content=161156&PHPSESSID=f9c1dfe45e15ebe6624c309b228e1794 location: /usr/share/kde4/apps/desktoptheme/
[16:03] <Coldfusionstorm> that looks great
[16:03] <Coldfusionstorm> !
[16:03] <Coldfusionstorm> it makes the menu look so much better
[16:04] <Dtcdarkraven> yes it uses the lancelot launcher fwi ;)
[16:04] <Dtcdarkraven> fyi*
[16:04] <Coldfusionstorm> i use the lancelot launcher myself
[16:04] <Coldfusionstorm> imho, The windows 7 Menu was amazing
[16:04] <Coldfusionstorm> and Kde has the launchers that is the closest to that
[16:05] <deitarion> Dtcdarkraven: Yeah, that looks right.
[16:05] <Coldfusionstorm> lancelot is great in any case, i just wish the search bar was lower
[16:05] <Coldfusionstorm> but i guess that is just something getting used to
[16:05] <deitarion> ...though you might actually want to install it to ~/.kde4/share/apps/desktoptheme/
[16:05] <Dtcdarkraven> its a little bit to big for me to.., then again.. having 2 monitors allows me to prety much use a variety of launchers.. :P
[16:05] <deitarion> Installing it as a user-specific theme would mean that you could catch the theme and the config that wants it in the same backup.
[16:05] <Coldfusionstorm> xD
[16:08] <Coldfusionstorm> Sweet. On linux i can actually tab out of teamfortress 2 while loading :D
[16:10] <BluesKaj_> Coldfusionstorm, KDE is very familiar looking to former windows users, that's why linux purists are reluctant to use it, they figure it's tainted somehow because it loos too much like windows
[16:10] <Dtcdarkraven> yes, you can still working on getting steam to close/minimize to tray properly though
[16:11] <Dtcdarkraven> well.. i enjoy it becouse how modular it is.., and it does have some signs of windows.., but its absolutely not why i like it ;)
[16:12] <BluesKaj_> I've always maintained that KDE is what Windows should actaully be using :)
[16:12] <deitarion> BluesKaj_: Define "linux purist". I think I fit most definitions and I was a diehard KDE lover until KDE 4.x came around and continutes to be inferior to LXDE at being a KDE 3.5.10 imitation.
[16:12] <Dtcdarkraven> meh.. windows would freak.. :P
[16:12] <deitarion> s/continutes/continues/
[16:13] <Dtcdarkraven> i think purists means "ANTI windows" more then " being very partial to linux " in this case ;)
[16:13] <Coldfusionstorm> but that's why i love it BluesKaj_ :)
[16:13] <BluesKaj_> deitarion, my definition of a purist is a linux user who hates to use desktop at all , but is forced to :)
[16:13] <Coldfusionstorm> it's easy to use with all the customzation and goodness of linux
[16:13] <Coldfusionstorm> <3
[16:13] <Dtcdarkraven> windows is like air.., its not good for you.., but you HAVE to use it.. atleast sometimes
[16:14] <deitarion> BluesKaj_: Ahh. Then I wouldn't be a purist by that definition. I thought Konqueror+Yakuake was the greatest thing since sliced bread.
[16:14] <BluesKaj_> air not good for you?I think that depends on where you live, Dtcdarkraven
[16:14] <Dtcdarkraven> exually.. i read a scientific reasearch paper, saying that oxygen is not good for the body..
[16:15] <Dtcdarkraven> which is possible.. still we need it though.. :P
[16:15] <BluesKaj_> deitarion, yeah I love yakuake , konqueror unfortunately has fallen by the wayside
[16:16] <deitarion> BluesKaj_: *nod* My view is that Dolphin refuses to support KPart preview because KParts + KIO = most minimal web browser possible... which would prove to everyone that it was just reinventing the wheel.
[16:16] <BluesKaj_> Dtcdarkraven, well , I'd reject such a claim out of hand ...doesn't sound very scientific to me
[16:18] <Dtcdarkraven> well.. if you think about the fact that oxygen corodes.. its not such a big leap it could have simular effects on organaic tissue..
[16:18] <Dtcdarkraven> oxedises*
[16:19] <deitarion> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_radicals#In_biology
[16:20] <deitarion> Basically, oxygen-based free radicals are essential to our biology but, like any powerful chemicals, they cause damage if it's not careful how it handles them.
[16:21]  * Dtcdarkraven nods
[16:22] <Dtcdarkraven> by the way, im having trouble finding the folder you recomended , i did find /usr/share/kde4/apps/desktoptheme/ and extracted the theme in there, however its not showing up using that path ( the other themes are in there though )
[16:23] <deitarion> Dtcdarkraven: I always installed my themes using Get Hot New Stuff or the system package manager so I'm not certain, but it's possible it's operating on cached data and you need to force a re-check somehow.
[16:24] <deitarion> (The most blunt approach being to log out and log in so the process is restarted)
[16:25] <Dtcdarkraven> then patience is key for me! still goto do some things that prevent me from relogging.. o.O
[16:26] <deitarion> I'm probably more patient. I'll sometimes live for a week or two without anything that requires OpenGL and with irritating workarounds for apps that try to use VDPAU because I don't want to close down my desktop session to load the new nvidia kernel module.
[16:27] <Dtcdarkraven> hahaha, its one of the first things i do after installing kubuntu.. get them drivers for nvidia in.. 3.40** seems to work best for me.. getting to properly build any newer ones seems to just fail completely and corrupt my install
[16:28] <deitarion> Same because I can't live without TwinView but, at the same time, I dread each driver update because who knows how long it'll be between the update and my actually being willing to reboot. (By the time I'm ready, there's always a kernel update to apply too)
[16:29] <deitarion> I actually wrote my own update notifier because they removed the "don't nag me to reboot" checkbox from the one I was using before.
[16:30]  * Dtcdarkraven sees an possibly interesting aplication, "please tell me more?"
[16:30] <deitarion> Just a simple little cron-driven shell script which uses Zenity to display a dialog. --> http://blog.ssokolow.com/archives/2014/08/08/hacking-together-a-quick-update-notifier/
[16:31] <Dtcdarkraven> il have a look at it, is that the twinview you were talking about?
[16:31] <Dtcdarkraven> ooh the notifier.. afcourse.. il check it out to ^^
[16:31] <deitarion> TwinView is what nVidia calls their GPU-accelerated Xinerama implementation on Linux.
[16:32] <deitarion> (The part of the binary drivers that offloads "stitch together the two monitors into one desktop" to the GPU)
[16:32] <deitarion> Can't remember what they're calling it on Windows these days. I know it was called nView at one point.
[16:33] <Dtcdarkraven> aah i understand. most likely i already have it then and its being used, seeying as i have 2 monitors active, only thing im looking for is 3dvision 2 drivers for linux.. prob wont happen though.. :3
[16:33] <deitarion> I'm waiting to see if we get open-source drivers for the consumer release of the Oculus Rift.
[16:34] <deitarion> (They'd have to be 3rd-party, naturally. I doubt Oculus has the rights to open-source the 3D positional audio technology they apparently licensed recently for the earphones they've added to the design.)
[16:34] <Dtcdarkraven> indeed.., time for to go afk though, got dinner to prepare.. back in a while ;)
[16:35] <deitarion> I'll probably be asleep by then, but nice talking to you. (It's 11:35AM and I was supposed to be in bed by 7AM)
[17:49] <naftilos76> Hi, i am trying to let a user exec a command without entering a password or whatever. I have just added the line "naftilos76  ALL=(root) NOPASSWD: /sbin/iptables -L --line-numbers -n -v" . Is that supposed to work? So far it does not.
[18:48] <Guest37442> Hi all
[18:49] <James__> how to got o
[19:07] <CharlieTheCabbie> Good evening.  I need to find out if there is anyone on here who I can speak to about a potential bug, in case it's not a bug...I think I know what I mean anyway :)
[19:08] <CharlieTheCabbie> I have a problem with the clock on the bottom panel, I have it connected to Jovie so that every fifteen minutes, it tells me the time (in 24 hour format) - but there's a problem.
[19:09] <CharlieTheCabbie> It gets the 15, 30 and 45 minute settings fine, but at the top of the hour,  instead of saying "It is Nineteen Hundred hours" it tells you "it is nineteen o'clock" - which is obviously wrong.
[19:17] <buntu> hi
[19:19] <buntu> when kubuntu with KDE 5.2 will be out.. stable release not the preview


[03:16] <Unit193> Well at least it's not all bad news, this winter is supposed to be rather cold...
[03:17] <skellat> According to?
[03:17] <Unit193> Something from earlier, didn't see what. :P
[03:18] <skellat> Remember, I'm in the snow belt.
[03:19] <skellat> Am I going to need muk-luks, sled dogs, and hazard suits?
[03:19] <Unit193> Farmers' Almanac, so it would seem.
[03:20] <Unit193> But really, too far out to know if it'll be good or bad.
[03:22] <skellat> Yeah
[03:22] <skellat> General purpose Hazard Encounter Suits might be a good investment anyhow, though
[03:23] <jrgifford> Or a D20.
[03:25] <skellat> This thing? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/152_mm_towed_gun-howitzer_M1955_%28D-20%29
[03:25] <jenni> [ 152 mm towed gun-howitzer M1955 (D-20) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ] - https://j.mp/151yKRL
[03:26] <skellat> Or this thing? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_D-20
[03:26] <jenni> [ Chevrolet D-20 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ] - https://j.mp/15fJou9
[03:26] <Unit193> That could heat things up, but not for too long and the shots would cost a bit.
[03:29] <skellat> Canister-based cross-border mail delivery from the Ashtabula Harbor to Ontario's Port Stanley...that'd be a slightly more practical use
[03:29] <skellat> EXTREME AIR MAIL
[21:03] <Unit193> paultag: Pooooke.
[21:03] <paultag> Unit193: ouch
[21:04] <Unit193> You feeling in an uploading mood? ;)
[21:04] <paultag> Unit193: I may be tonight, what's up? :)
[21:05] <Unit193> paultag: Nothing really, just the standard updates.
[21:05] <paultag> Unit193: which package? Bugfixes?
[21:06] <Unit193> paultag: inxi, and unreported bugs to Debian BTS, but fixes bugs. :D
[21:06] <paultag> sure
[21:06] <paultag> Unit193: send it over via email, I can try to get to it tonight
[21:06] <paultag> vcs ptr is best
[21:09] <Unit193> Yep, will compose email, don't have it on alioth.
[21:09] <paultag> dooo eeetttt
[21:09] <paultag> Unit193: for now dsc will be ok
[21:09] <paultag> but use vcs
[21:10] <Unit193> Man, if you could only see me use vcs, you'd be laughing for sure. :P
[21:10] <paultag> :)
[21:10] <paultag> Well, ok
[21:10] <paultag> but still :)
[21:11] <Unit193> Yeah, think some team I'm on is going to make a group on there, may have to figure it out better there.
[21:11] <paultag> dsc is fine for now
[21:11] <skellat> *cough*cough*Xubuntu*cough*cough*
[21:11] <paultag> but vcs is important
[21:11] <paultag> you can even use bzr in Debian
[21:11] <paultag> just not on lp ;)
[21:11] <Unit193> Sure, bzr may be a little "easier", but still like git better.
[21:12] <paultag> well, lucky you, you can use git too!
[21:12] <Unit193> Hah, yep.  I wouldn't use lp, I'd have tried to cheat and use bitbucket. :P
[21:12] <paultag> bah
[21:12] <paultag> alioth man
[21:18] <Unit193> Does it matter if you init in source/ or source/debian/ ?
[21:20] <paultag> init?
[21:20] <paultag> Oh, git init
[21:20] <paultag> depends on your workflow
[21:20] <paultag> git-buildpackage prefers source/ by default, but I don't like it. You can do a mergeWithUpstream + source/debian
[21:20] <paultag> I don't actually have a VCS workflow I like
[21:21] <paultag> so I track it all by hand
[21:21] <paultag> which sucks
[21:21] <paultag> Unit193: perhaps ask in #debian-devel on what you should do
[21:21] <paultag> people there have opinions
[21:21] <Unit193> Strong ones, I'm guessing.
[21:22] <paultag> Yeah
[21:22] <paultag> but you can ignore them and do whatever
[21:22] <paultag> but it's good to know what people think
[21:23] <Unit193> Sure, though knowing both are acceptable is pretty good.
[21:23] <paultag> :)
[21:23] <paultag> Yeah, it requires more work to do source/debian
[21:23] <paultag> you have to configure gbp to do a mergeWithUpstream
[21:24] <paultag> which is what I prefer, frankly
[21:24] <paultag> and the reason why I like svn-buildpackage
[21:25] <Unit193> So you can't ignore it and just call debuild like now?
[21:25] <paultag> I mean, you can
[21:25] <paultag> just be sure to not get kruft in your dir
[21:25] <paultag> and gpb is nice for some things
[21:25] <paultag> like managing tags
[21:26] <Unit193> DEBUILD_DPKG_BUILDPACKAGE_OPTS="-i -I" tries to ignore those issues.
[21:26]  * paultag shrugs
[21:26] <paultag> whatever floats your boat
[21:26] <paultag> just having it in VCS is nice
[21:28] <Unit193> For others, not me. ;)  (But yes, I've looked at the VCS section for several hosts, several seemed self-hosted.)
[21:28] <paultag> hum?
[21:28] <paultag> No, I mean, push your repo to git.debian.org
[21:29] <Unit193> Yeah, what I said wasn't clear.  I've been to the PTS and checked out several packages debian VCS areas.
[21:30] <paultag> Oh.
[21:30] <paultag> Well, don't use anything that's not .*\.debian\.org
[21:31] <paultag> http://people.debian.org/~paultag/sponsorship/ (as seen in Basic Guidelines)
[21:31] <jenni> [ Sponsorship Guidelines ] - https://j.mp/185e8tQ
[21:31] <Unit193> Yeppers, sadly.
[21:31] <paultag> sadly?
[21:31] <paultag> I don't grok
[21:32] <Unit193> You don't have to, you like alioth. ;)
[21:32] <paultag> I don't :)
[21:33] <paultag> I just don't see other services as being Debian-maintained
[21:33] <paultag> e.g. GitHub
[21:33] <paultag> the thing is, if people put it on their ~, it's useless
[21:33] <paultag> bitbucket/codel337h4x0r/package.git is useless to me, and adopting it means I have to repoint the vcs
[21:34] <paultag> and the stale backlink will sit around
[21:36] <Unit193> Mhmm.  Well, I'm sure I'll get around to it soon enough.  And, need to add my other email to my sig. >_>
[21:38] <paultag> got the email
[21:38] <paultag> unrelated gif: http://31.media.tumblr.com/2cf8cdacda899a7014b19b4241032111/tumblr_mmde1fn6Vl1sq9tuko1_1280.gif
[21:38] <jenni> https://j.mp/185eVLk
[21:38] <Unit193> Broken, everything is. :D