[00:17] <hazmat> SpamapS, no re test broken, it was an lxc provider test that broke, fix queued for the next branch to merge
[00:23] <SpamapS> hazmat: Ok cool I think i mis-copied/pasted that test that failed.. the lxc provider tests are the ones failing for me.
[01:45] <_mup_> juju/local-unit-deploy r390 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:45] <_mup_> update machine agent to use global settings to determine provider type
[01:57] <_mup_> juju/trunk r360 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:57] <_mup_> merge local-unit-deployment [r=niemeyer][f=855146]
[01:57] <_mup_> Deploys service units on the local machine with lxc.
[02:02] <hazmat> niemeyer, interesting zk competitor, experimental http://www.osrg.net/accord/
[03:37] <niemeyer> hazmat: Pretty interesting indeed
[03:57] <niemeyer> hazmat: Wow, and it has transaction support
[04:00] <niemeyer> On the other hand a few other areas are on the weak side
[08:06] <koolhead17> hi all
[08:52] <koolhead17> hi all
[12:23] <niemeyer> Morning all
[14:05] <niemeyer> We have an empty review queue!
[14:50] <_mup_> juju/go r7 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:50] <_mup_> Merged the go-formula-config branch [r=hazmat]
[14:50] <_mup_>
[14:50] <_mup_> This is the initial support for parsing of config.yaml in the Go port.
[14:51] <_mup_> juju/go r8 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:51] <_mup_> Merged go-formula-config-validation branch [r=hazmat]
[14:51] <_mup_> This complements the initial config.yaml handling with validation support.
[15:02] <_mup_> juju/go-formula-dir r22 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:02] <_mup_> Bundle filepath.Rel as filepath_Rel while the submission upstream
[15:02] <_mup_> doesn't go in (http://codereview.appspot.com/4981049).
[15:05] <_mup_> juju/go r9 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:05] <_mup_> Merged go-formula-dir branch [r=hazmat]
[15:05] <_mup_> This introduces support for handling formula directories in the Go port.
[15:05] <_mup_> This includes the bundling of them, needed for the store.
[15:08] <_mup_> Bug #858267 was filed: Bundling and unbundling must support perm bits in the Go port <juju:In Progress by niemeyer> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/858267 >
[15:10] <_mup_> juju/go r10 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:10] <_mup_> Merged go-formula-bundle branch [r=hazmat]
[15:10] <_mup_> This introduces support for formula bundle files in the Go port.
[15:10] <_mup_> There's an unhandled review point in this branch regarding formula bits
[15:10] <_mup_> that will be addressed in a follow up branch coming soon.  The problem
[15:11] <_mup_> was described in bug #858267.
[15:22] <_mup_> juju/go r11 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:22] <_mup_> Applied the juju/charm renaming to the Go code base.
[15:22] <_mup_> Dropped need for the silly "header" field in metadata.yaml.
[15:28] <_mup_> Bug #858282 was filed: support for wireless USB modems <juju:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/858282 >
[17:12] <hazmat> niemeyer, the lxc-library-clone stuff is ready for another look
[17:12] <hazmat> niemeyer, awesome re review queue
[17:12] <niemeyer> hazmat: Awesome, thanks!
[17:12] <hazmat> niemeyer, also i wanted to talk about the placement stuff
[17:12] <niemeyer> hazmat: Sure
[17:12]  * hazmat is preparing to be in airports for 28hrs starting in a few
[17:12] <hazmat> ugh
[17:12] <niemeyer> hazmat: Ugh indeed
[17:15] <niemeyer> hazmat: Do you want to talk now about it?
[17:15] <hazmat> niemeyer, sure
[17:16] <hazmat> niemeyer, so the get_placement_policy on the provider is to ensure that the provider gets final choice on the placement policy.. the user currently has two options for selecting the policy, environment, command line, and then failing that most providers default to unassigned except local which always picks local
[17:17] <hazmat> the 'preference' value is basically the user's cli preference if specified, but the  provider is responsible for returning the actual value, which is why it delegates there and for the base provider implementation does if preference: return preference
[17:18] <hazmat> else the base provider consults the environment, and failing that returns the default
[17:18] <hazmat> ah ic
[17:19] <hazmat> so the reason to not push the if preference is none check to the calling site, is that some providers (local) only support a single policy
[17:20] <niemeyer> hazmat: Still, the way we figure the actual preference feels a bit convoluted
[17:20] <niemeyer> hazmat: The provider shouldn
[17:20] <niemeyer> 't be responsible for analyzing the user preference and failing out
[17:22] <niemeyer> hazmat: The current implementation also makes this more obvious since all it's doing is returning the provided value without any analysis
[17:23] <niemeyer> hazmat: I suggest having a get_placement_policies() in the provider interface instead, ordered by the provider's preference
[17:23] <hazmat> niemeyer, but then the user can't do a cli selection
[17:23] <niemeyer> hazmat: Why not?
[17:24] <hazmat> niemeyer, un moment on phone with bcsaller
[17:24] <niemeyer> hazmat: Ok.. will get some coffee meanwhile..
[17:25] <hazmat> niemeyer, so it should be doing some analysis at least to validate the user option
[17:25] <hazmat> and it does when it goes to place the unit
[17:26] <hazmat> niemeyer, i don't really understand your suggestion, doing an intersection against the provider policies to the user preference at the call site?
[17:27] <hazmat> ie.. get_supported_placement_policies on the provider, intersect to the user preference and environment section at the call site?
[17:27] <niemeyer> hazmat: The user selection shouldn't be a "preference"
[17:28] <niemeyer> hazmat: Either it is supported by the provider, in which case it should be honored
[17:28] <niemeyer> hazmat: or it's not supported, in which case the request should error out
[17:28] <niemeyer> hazmat: DOing this is the responsibility of the command line management
[17:28] <niemeyer> hazmat: Not the provider
[17:28] <niemeyer> hazmat: The provider simply has a list of supported placement policies
[17:29] <niemeyer> hazmat: Which the user request must be compared against
[17:29] <hazmat> niemeyer, sounds good
[17:29] <niemeyer> hazmat: We don't even need to default to unassigned
[17:29] <niemeyer> hazmat: If the user request is None, pick the first entry from the provider's list
[17:29] <niemeyer> which will generally be unassigned
[17:29] <hazmat> i also think the placement stuff shouldn't be in state, but just in machine or provider package, but that's a different topic
[17:30] <hazmat> niemeyer, okay.. i'll restructure that a bit then
[17:30] <niemeyer> hazmat: That's tricky.. either we support a user selection when the provider has multiple options, or we don't
[17:30] <niemeyer> hazmat: If we do, we need to store the option somewhere
[17:31] <_mup_> juju/unittests r8 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:31] <_mup_> Use proper path for build between butler and churn
[17:31] <niemeyer> hazmat: I'm on the unix permission stuff, btw
[17:31] <niemeyer> Fixing Go's archive/zip
[17:31] <niemeyer> Well.. improving
[17:31] <niemeyer> There's no bug.. just doesn't support it yet
[17:32] <hazmat> niemeyer, so current local-dev plan is bcsaller's going to do some work merging the two endpoints (lxc-library-clone w/ local-provider-config), and add support for cloning containers into local unit deploy. i'm going to use that as a base for doing the public/private address stuff in the unit
[17:32] <niemeyer> hazmat: Sounds awesome
[17:32] <hazmat> cool
[17:33] <bcsaller> yeah, applying updates relative to branch evolution since the sprint
[17:34] <niemeyer> bcsaller: Heyo
[17:34] <bcsaller> :)
[17:40] <hazmat> my son's first web game.. http://src.objectrealms.net/kaleb/web-asteroid-defense/
[17:40] <hazmat> cute
[17:43] <_mup_> juju/unittests r9 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:43] <_mup_> Clean pyc before running unittests
[17:50] <niemeyer> hazmat: Indeed, quite neat
[17:51] <niemeyer> hazmat: Good trigonometry lessons I bet :)
[18:09] <hazmat> bcsaller, can you push, and let me know the name of the branch that merges
[18:12] <bcsaller> hazmat: I haven't tested it all yet, but I can push it
[18:13] <hazmat> bcsaller, sounds good, i just want to have the origin of my merge point to have your branch an ancestor
[18:13] <hazmat> i'm going to be heading out in about 30m, and will have spotty connectivity till i get to the sfo lounge
[18:13] <hazmat> in about 6hrs
[19:50] <ejat> kim0: how to set juju using micro instance .. and changing the region
[19:53] <bcsaller> hazmat: still around?
[20:08] <SpamapS> ejat: in .juju/environments.yaml   default-instance-type: t1.micro
[20:08] <SpamapS> ejat: it needs to be indented at the same level as 'type: ec2'
[20:09] <SpamapS> ejat: to change the region, do 'region: xxxxx'
[20:13] <ejat> default-instance-type: t1.micro type: ec2
[20:13] <ejat> mean like that ?
[20:14] <ejat> before or after the type ?
[20:14] <ejat> region in which line ?
[20:19] <SpamapS> Doesn't matter where, just that its indented the same
[20:19] <ejat> owh okie
[20:19] <SpamapS> environments:
[20:19] <SpamapS>   sample:
[20:19] <SpamapS>     type: ec2
[20:19] <SpamapS> environments:
[20:19] <SpamapS>   sample:
[20:19] <SpamapS>     type: ec2
[20:19] <SpamapS> oops
[20:19] <ejat> ?
[20:20] <SpamapS> ejat: so if that were the first few lines of your environments.yaml .. then anywhere after sample: you just add
[20:20] <ejat> okie
[20:20] <SpamapS>     default-instance-type: t1.micro
[20:20] <SpamapS> Note that once you deploy something, the service will always have that instance type even if you change it and do add-unit
[20:24] <ejat> owh okie .. this is for the testing purpose ..
[20:25] <ejat> but if without it .. it will default using small instance right ?
[20:25] <SpamapS> yeah
[20:34] <ejat> WARNING: Charm is using obsolete 'str' type in config.yaml. Rename it to 'string'.
[20:34] <ejat> is it from the charm ?
[20:34] <ejat> mediawiki charm
[20:43] <ejat> SpamapS: i cant view my mediawiki after i lunch it .. is it because of the security group policy ?
[21:07] <SpamapS> ejat: yes
[21:07] <SpamapS> ejat: you need to expose it
[21:07] <SpamapS> ejat: juju expose name-of-mediawiki-service
[21:07] <ejat> owh .. okie
[21:07] <SpamapS> ejat: if any charms in your repo have 'str' instead of 'string' you will get that warning. Its one of my TODO's to fix them all.. feel free to submit merge proposals :)
[21:07] <ejat> i just destroy the environment .. means that .. we need to expose the services ?
[21:08] <SpamapS> ejat: sorry, what?
[21:08] <ejat> ill try later ... sleepy .... :)
[21:08] <ejat> SpamapS: will ya be at UDS ?
[21:09] <ejat> u need to fix all the charm ?
[21:09] <SpamapS> ejat: yes I'll be at UDS.. quite a few of us will be. Are you coming?
[21:10] <SpamapS> ejat: yeah we need to fix all the charms that use 'str' to use 'string'
[21:10] <SpamapS> but warnings < failures ... so failures first.. :)
[21:10] <ejat> hopefully .. .. need to renew my passport n make the visa ..
[21:11] <SpamapS> ejat: its in just over 1 month.. do it *soon*
[21:11] <ejat> SpamapS: yeah .. thanks for the reminder .. a lots of todo starting next week need to be done ..
[21:13] <ejat> coz . its my 1st time joining the uds ..
[21:13]  * ejat a lot of thing need to be learn n catch up ..
[21:43] <hazmat> bcsaller, i'm here
[22:16] <_mup_> juju/provider-determines-placement r392 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:16] <_mup_> add an error for invalid placement policies
[23:04] <ejat> http://paste.ubuntu.com/696384/
[23:04] <ejat> anyone can help me?


[00:00] <charlie-tca> in college to become a sign language interpreter
[00:02] <charlie-tca> You are in the right place, johnny77
[00:02] <johnny77> charlie-tca: thank you.
[00:04] <johnny77> maco: I heard that you were working on some stuff for Deaf accessibility. I'm studying to become a sign language interpreter and was just curious on what you are working on.
[00:04] <maco> i just wrote sign language teaching software and brought back the UI for enabling visual system bell (because auditory one is useless if deaf)
[00:05] <maco> cool stuff totally out of my league would be sign-to-text software (which does exist, some folks are using Kinect for it and one of my profs mentioned some researches i think at BU who were doing it with webcams)
[00:09] <hajour> maco i am busy to make a plan so that deaf people also can use speechcontrol without to have to sit down before the pc.like being on the other side of the room and still know what the pc says in way of speaking
[00:11] <johnny77> Being more of a beginner, and not knowing any programming languages, I was thinking more of sign language tutorials, but it looks like you are way ahead of me.
[00:11] <maco> at the moment word lists for lessons would be very handy
[00:12] <maco> then people who can sign can just go through the list and record the signs withut having to first think "hmm what would be a useful sign?"
[00:12] <hajour> i just have idea s and then pull people who can make it
[00:13] <hajour> what if it are no signs but something you feel maco .:)
[00:13] <hajour> give me a week or 2 weeks and then i can tell more maco
[00:15] <hajour> johnny77, ^
[00:16] <hajour> johnny77,  i have in speechcontrol also students :)
[00:17] <hajour> btw johnny77  maco knows a lot :)
[00:19] <johnny77> Cool, I'm intrigued with the sign language aspect of the accessibility. Not sure if I'd be able to help much, but maybe keep me in the back of your mind. If you need a list of words signed or something.
[00:20] <johnny77> BTW: I'm learning American Sign Language.
[00:20] <maco> thats what i use
[00:20] <maco> btw #gally for my app
[00:21] <johnny77> I gotta set away for a few minutes... I'll try to get back on in a little bit.
[00:21] <maco> kk
[00:25] <hajour> johnny77,  have you signed the coc key?
[00:44] <hajour> i  am going to sleep now goodnight all:)
[00:46] <johnny77> Sorry, I'm back.
[00:47] <johnny77> hajour: If you're still on, yes I have.
[00:49] <hajour> ok :) i have always 24 hours a day mostly chats on because of irc channel
[14:06] <Ronnie> i created a google map with pointers to specific items (http://people.ubuntu.com/~ronnie.vd.c/map.html). this map maybe will be used by other communities in the future, but i want to know how this map behaves toghether with accessibility tools. How can i make this map more accessible?
[14:28] <hajour> cprofitt may i give ubuntu to the primary school here in this village?
[14:28] <hajour> i have not asked yet because i first wanted to know or i may give it free
[14:28] <cprofitt> hajour: I would assume so, but I am not aware of their rules and regs
[14:29] <cprofitt> Ubuntu is FOSS so you are allowed to from an Ubuntu perspective
[14:29] <hajour> schools pc s are on low lvl here 2001 windows system
[14:29] <Pendulum> should be fine from an Ubuntu perspective
[14:29] <Pendulum> more a question of what the school thinks and if there are people there who can support it
[14:30] <hajour> and goverment is again giving less money. 300 million less on all schools
[14:30] <Pendulum> hajour: they might do better with edubuntu than regular Ubuntu
[14:30] <hajour> ok then i go call the director from the school now :)
[14:31] <hajour> thanks cprofitt and Pendulum
[14:31] <hajour> i only not nowyet how i can get the discs
[14:35] <hajour> Pendulum,  he want only on paper that  ubuntu gives it to the school. XD and first look what programs ubuntu have or it is useble
[14:35] <hajour> cprofitt^
[14:37] <hajour> i understand he want it on paper because of the legal aspect . he have to explain on paper to the government
[14:37] <hajour> cprofitt i mean .forgot to put space in
[14:40] <AlanBell> hajour: you can get disks from shipit.ubuntu.com
[14:41] <hajour> if i succeed then probably all primary schools go over on ubuntu in this province
[14:41] <hajour> :))
[14:41] <hajour> i will ask help from UndiFineD
[14:41] <AlanBell> well good luck, but it is hard
[14:42] <hajour> well the director was very interested AlanBell
[14:42] <hajour> i don't think it will be hard .all is in ubuntu thought
[14:43] <Pendulum> hajour: I'm going to ask in #ubuntu-community-team if there's a contact at Canonical that might be able to help you
[14:43] <hajour> ok Pendulum :)
[14:44] <hajour> have i to go there to or just wait in accessibility Pendulum ?
[14:45] <Pendulum> hajour: feel free to join in :)
[14:45] <hajour> first time i will people convince to use ubuntu my kids not count in ofcourse
[14:45] <hajour> ok Pendulum :)
[14:46] <hajour> Pendulum,  i dont know how to start
[14:46] <hajour> how to say in english
[14:47] <Pendulum> hajour: I just did the basic bit in what I asked
[14:51] <hajour> yes was it good i have tell the rest to or have i tell to much?
[14:53] <Pendulum> I think you've said enough
[14:53] <hajour> yak i am to excited making more mistakes in writhing because of that
[14:53] <hajour> yak= bah
[14:53] <Pendulum> I knew what you meant :)
[14:55] <hajour> :)
[15:00] <hajour> Pendulum,  if i succeed there will come a domino effect. then more schools go use it
[15:00] <hajour> in netherland
[15:00] <cprofitt> hold on...
[15:01] <JanC> schools will probably want a company to give support though
[15:01] <cprofitt> http://www.slideshare.net/indigo196/ed-tech-2010
[15:01] <cprofitt> that might help with schools
[15:01] <cprofitt> though it is US centric
[15:01] <hajour> well  this was what ubuntu wanted thought
[15:02] <cprofitt> http://www.slideshare.net/indigo196/fosscon
[15:02] <hajour> and children learnon school use ubuntu and they are the future
[15:02] <hajour> reading :)
[15:03] <hajour> is there also in dutch?
[15:04] <hajour> it are i mean th education
[15:04] <Ronnie> hajour: from http://edubuntu.org/about "If you have any copyright concerns or questions, then you are always more than welcome to contact us about it."
[15:04] <hajour> or need we to translate so fast as possible?
[15:05] <hajour> i mean the kids getting lessons in dutch not english
[15:06] <JanC> it's probabl better to adapt current dutch lessons to Ubuntu
[15:07] <Ronnie> hajour: i think you can get much information from http://ict.hethooghuis.nl/ they started to test ubuntu(or edubuntu) deploying in school around the city oss
[15:08] <JanC> if they want to share lessosn, that would certainly be cool
[15:08] <hajour> yes JanC
[15:08] <cprofitt> Ronnie: there is more to education and Open than edubuntu
[15:08] <hajour> but al need to be in dutch
[15:09] <cprofitt> Open Coureware, Open Curriculum, etc
[15:09] <Ronnie> hajour: i think you your first step should be contacting hooghuis
[15:09] <cprofitt> http://ocw.mit.edu/index.htm
[15:09] <hajour> i have the feeling this will become a major job
[15:09] <cprofitt> I try to get people invovled from the curriculum angle first...
[15:10] <cprofitt> then slip the software in
[15:10] <hajour> i will .but i need to wait till tomorrow .primary schools are closed now
[15:10] <JanC> Ronnie: I guess the people from that school also were involved with the release parties in Oss ?
[15:10] <Ronnie> JanC: yes they were. i spoke shortly with them
[15:11] <Ronnie> they were very entausiast about ubuntu
[15:11] <hajour> jan and ronnie will you help me with this to do all good?
[15:12] <JanC> hajour: I think Ronnie can get you and the school you talk about in contact with the school in Oss
[15:12] <hajour> ok that would be nice JanC  and Ronnie :)
[15:13] <hajour> if this succeed i will go more schools in friesland
[15:13] <hajour> go call i mean
[15:13] <hajour> but if i need to go to oss how will i come there then ?
[15:14] <Ronnie> hajour: you can start mailing them
[15:14] <hajour> yes with that i need help from UndiFineD
[15:15] <Ronnie> maybe after the first contact, the school itself can contact to hooghuis about that stuff. if they can share ideas and solutions that will be very cool
[15:17] <hajour> dos google maps need accessibility help cprofitt?
[15:17] <hajour> yes Ronnie :)
[15:21] <Ronnie> hajour: here more information about "nederland open in verbinding (noiv)" which is a gouverment organization about open standards and open source: https://wiki.noiv.nl/xwiki/bin/view/NOiV/Artikel%20Open%20source%20in%20opkomst%20in%20onderwijs%20Europa
[15:22] <Ronnie> https://wiki.noiv.nl/xwiki/bin/view/NOiV/Onderwijs
[15:28] <hajour> i have called to noiv but they are in a meeting now so i call tomorrow back
[15:29] <hajour> cprofitt,  ^
[15:29] <hajour> and Pendulum  ^
[15:31] <Pendulum> hajour: sounds like a plan :)
[15:32] <hajour> i already busy :P
[15:32] <hajour> with it
[15:32] <hajour> AlanBell,  how the speechprograms are now from ubuntu?
[15:32] <hajour> 1 of them good already?
[15:36] <hajour> Pendulum,  i hope you will not be annoyed and cprofitt  but i have say to the school i had asked permission to my boss from here to do this.else the director had not listen to me.i have said i am volunteer :P
[15:36] <Pendulum> hajour: it's fine :)
[15:36]  * Pendulum goes to run errands
[15:37] <hajour> ok Pendulum  till later :)
[16:11] <hajour> cprofitt,  the school boards som e of theme are electronic and need to be able to make contact to the pc s
[16:12] <hajour> i wonder or ubuntu is asble to do that
[16:14] <hajour> i need to do  errands  to and after that cooking and eating diner
[16:14] <hajour> till later :)
[16:26] <cprofitt> hey jono
[16:30] <jono> hey cprofitt
[16:31] <cprofitt> how have ya been?
[18:09] <hajour> testing if the fonts are bigger now
[18:11] <hajour> AlanBell,  the fonts from xchat cant be put bigger then 14 that is a problem for me
[18:11] <hajour> i need at least 16
[18:13] <hajour> i already going see more worse then normal because i have to very concentrate with half closed eyes to see chat
[18:19] <charlie-tca> hajour: Using xchat in Xubuntu, I put the fonts at 64
[18:19] <charlie-tca> and it worked
[21:35] <hajour> i cant use xubuntu charlie-tca  i got not enough processor power
[21:36] <charlie-tca> but xchat still should be able to resize fonts big. Not the gnome-xchat, though, maybe.
[21:39] <hajour> i have xchat charlie-tca
[21:40] <hajour> i click  bigger fonts on and then restart xchat but it stays on font 14 size
[21:47] <charlie-tca> that's strange. Mine get bigger. I can that a serious bug, too.
[21:51] <hajour> i can hardly read now because its not go to size 16
[22:17] <charlie-tca> I can understand that. Can AlanBell do anything there?
[22:20] <hajour> i don't know charlie-tca  and UndiFineD  also not know why it  is not working
[22:21] <charlie-tca> Can you or UndiFineD file a bug report using        ubuntu-bug xchat
[22:21] <charlie-tca> and tell me the number?
[22:30] <hajour> UndiFineD,  is to his bed alraedy
[22:32] <charlie-tca> It can wait, I will send it to the xchat developers when I get it
[22:34] <hajour> ok charlie-tca


[05:11] <aacosta> hey anyone using xubuntu  on powerpc?
[05:22] <aacosta> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/powerpc/unetbootin
[05:22] <aacosta> how can i install that on my system
[06:01] <Xuzz> I'm on a GMA950 with a max canvas size of 2048x2028 (for acceleration)...and I have my two monitors positioned "top-of" each other (in xrandr, they are side by side physically). I want to make them appear to X stacked on top but be able to use them as if they were positioned side by side in xrandr (isntead of having to have the mouse go off the top of the screen to switch)
[07:04] <chrissy_> hello can anybody help me with email questions
[07:06] <chrissy_> anybody out there
[07:10] <aacosta> hello
[07:14] <forces> ?
[07:15] <chrissy_> hello
[07:16] <chrissy_> i have email questions
[07:16] <chrissy_> can anybody help
[07:17] <chrissy_> hello
[07:17] <n2diy> hello
[07:17] <chrissy_> can you help me with email
[07:18] <n2diy> Chrissy, don't know until I here the question?
[07:18] <aacosta> depends wat the question is
[07:18] <aacosta> yeah
[07:19] <chrissy_> i set up a email address but when i try to check mail it
[07:19] <n2diy> can you use sbackup and restore between an 8.04 box and a 9.04 box?
[07:19] <chrissy_> wants my password where is that
[07:20] <n2diy> chrissy, use your login password.
[07:20] <forces> !ask chrissy_
[07:20] <forces> !ask | chrissy_
[07:20] <chrissy_> i tried that and it says password fail
[07:21] <n2diy> your password is case sensitive, so don't mix capitals where non-capitals should be?
[07:22] <chrissy_> ok is there anything else that would make it fail
[07:23] <n2diy> make sure your num lock is on, if you are using the numeric keypad.
[07:24] <chrissy_> ok i will try now thanks
[07:26] <n2diy> your welcome Chrissy.
[07:27] <n2diy> can you use sbackup and srestore between an 8.04 box and a 9.04 box?
[07:42] <Xuzz> I'm on a GMA950 with a max canvas size of 2048x2028 (for acceleration)...and I have my two monitors positioned "top-of" each other (in xrandr, they are side by side physically). I want to make them appear to X stacked on top but be able to use them as if they were positioned side by side in xrandr (isntead of having to have the mouse go off the top of the screen to switch)
[08:04] <aacosta> just wondering why my eepc cant see my imac when i try to ssh into it
[08:04] <aacosta> one is on wireless the other wired
[08:11] <SiDi> if its the same network it should be ok
[08:11] <SiDi> can you ping it ?
[08:13] <aacosta> let me try it
[08:13] <aacosta> host unreachable
[08:13] <aacosta> it was working earlier
[08:13] <aacosta> when i wasnt on wireless
[08:14] <aacosta> and i try to ssh from the imac into the eeepc and it just freezzes
[08:16] <SiDi> ok its a network problem :p
[08:16] <SiDi> ping google from both computers please
[08:16] <SiDi> and tell me which is disconnected
[08:17] <aacosta> they are both online forsure
[08:18] <aacosta> this one pings fine
[08:18] <aacosta> its a desktop
[08:18] <aacosta> imac
[08:18] <aacosta> the other pings fine too
[08:29] <SiDi> are they on the same network then ?
[08:29] <SiDi> same router ?
[08:30] <aacosta> yes
[08:30] <aacosta> they are
[08:30] <aacosta> its a netgear router
[08:33] <SiDi> are you sure the router doesnt forbid packet through local net machines then ? :/
[08:33] <SiDi> do they use the same network mask ?
[08:43] <aacosta> yeah they do
[08:43] <aacosta> they have the samenetowrk mask
[08:43] <aacosta> is that bad?
[08:45] <SiDi> no
[08:45] <SiDi> its what is meant to be
[08:45] <SiDi> the only reason why you couldnt ping them is because of : 1) wrong network setup | 2) wrong router firewall setup
[08:47] <aacosta> ok let me go to my router
[08:47] <aacosta> i dont think i chaned anything
[08:50] <SiDi> i really dont understand how else you couldnt ping your machines
[08:50] <SiDi> what command did you use for pinging ?
[08:50] <aacosta> probably wrong netwokr setup
[08:50] <aacosta> ping
[08:50] <aacosta> ping and then ip adrress
[08:52] <SiDi> okies
[08:54] <aacosta> ave no idea
[08:54] <aacosta> what it could be
[08:54] <aacosta> would be great to use my eee as a server
[08:55] <aacosta> or my imac already has everything installed i jsut cant conect to i remotely
[10:29] <mib486> how do i get access to "system settings"?
[10:29] <mib486> i cant find it
[10:54] <SiDi> System settings ?
[10:54] <SiDi> Do you mean Applications -> System ?
[10:55] <mib486> yes i got it
[10:56] <mib486> how do i add items from the "applications" to the upper panel? cuz the "add new items" menu only has some apps, not all of em, i also tried to drag and drop em but it won't work
[10:56] <mib486> isnt there a well written guide to xubuntu? on the internet ive only found the ubuntu wiki, isnt there anything for xubuntu?
[10:58] <ablomen> mib486, i'm affraid your going to have to add them by hand, if you add a new (empty) launcher, here you can select the command, icon and wether it should be opened in a terminal etc
[10:58] <mib486> ah ok cool
[10:58] <SiDi> mib486: there is the xubuntu documentation
[10:59] <SiDi> and the xfce documentation too
[10:59] <mib486> so i just add the "launcher" and then set what app i want
[10:59] <mib486> could u link it sidi?
[10:59] <ablomen> yeah
[10:59] <ablomen> mib486, on the xubuntu.org site you can find all the links
[11:00] <mib486> that was the same site i was before
[11:00] <mib486> there's no doco for xubuntu, the link goes to ubuntu's
[11:00] <ablomen> mib486, click on "help and support" there is a xubuntu wiki link there (on the ubuntu wiki site)
[11:00] <SiDi> mib486: visit file:///usr/share/xubuntu-docs/index.html
[11:01] <SiDi> Normally Alt+F1 shows it by default
[11:01] <mib486> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu --> thatz where it getz u, and ive already been there, there's no doco for xubuntu! it takes u to ubuntu's
[11:02] <mib486> SiDi: it says file not found
[11:02] <SiDi> mib486: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-docs
[11:02] <SiDi> mib486: you're on Xubuntu 9.04 ?
[11:02] <SiDi> Its meant to be installed by default now as far as i know
[11:03] <mib486> unfortunately i dont have internet yet...
[11:03] <mib486> thatz why i want to find a guide
[11:03] <mib486> in order to understand lots of things
[11:03] <mib486> :D
[11:03] <SiDi> oh i see :P
[11:03] <SiDi> Well it is _really_ meant to be installed by default
[11:04] <ablomen> mib486, did you type that link on the xubuntu machine?..
[11:04] <SiDi> http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/all/xubuntu-docs/download mib486
[11:04] <mib486> whatz the terminal call here in xubuntu?
[11:04] <ablomen> the one SiDi send you that is
[11:04] <SiDi> and yes of course the link must me typed in the xubuntu machine mib486
[11:04] <mib486> of course i did :D
[11:04] <SiDi> okey
[11:04] <mib486> im a newbie, not a jerk :D
[11:04] <SiDi> just download it from above then :p
[11:04] <SiDi> mib486: stupid mistakes happen to everyone from times to times ;)
[11:05] <mib486> i no i no, im only kiddin :D
[11:05] <mib486> whatz the terminal call here in xubuntu?
[11:05] <ablomen> lol yeah sorry, just wanted to make sure we didnt find that out after 2 hours of trying to figure out whats wrong ;)
[11:05] <SiDi> mib486: i dont get your question about terminal call
[11:05] <mib486> im putting a link to it on the panel and since i have to link it manually im looking for the file in /usr/bin
[11:05] <SiDi> Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal to open it, if its what you want to know
[11:06] <ablomen> xfce4-terminal should be it
[11:06] <SiDi> i see
[11:06] <SiDi> xfce4-terminal
[11:06] <mib486> alright
[11:07] <mib486> cool
[11:07] <mib486> its added :D
[11:07] <mib486> but it put it on the extreme right, i wanted it on the left by the mozilla's icon
[11:07] <SiDi> right click -> move
[11:07] <mib486> i moved it
[11:07] <mib486> :D
[11:07] <mib486> just found it
[11:07] <SiDi> mib486: i checked and i have file:///usr/share/xubuntu-docs/ in my default xubuntu install
[11:08] <mib486> alright let me re-check then
[11:08] <SiDi> So anyway, what's your wifi problem ?
[11:09] <mib486> oh
[11:09] <mib486> the mistake was mozilla's
[11:09] <mib486> thatz what gave the error output before when i tried to open a file
[11:09] <mib486> cuz they're all .html files so it opens em on mozilla
[11:09] <mib486> ive found the doco :D
[11:10] <mib486> anyway, my wifi prob is that
[11:10] <mib486> before i had winxp installed on this machine and my airport-pendrive worked
[11:10] <mib486> i could get connected
[11:10] <mib486> during xubuntu's installation the network was not found, thus not installed
[11:11] <mib486> and now even if i plug in and out this usb-airport-pendrive, it wont see it, or recognize it, moral of the tale: i cant get connected at all!
[11:12] <SiDi> ok
[11:12] <SiDi> so whats going on is that is doesnt have linux drivers
[11:12] <SiDi> There is a way to use windows wifi drivers on linux
[11:12] <SiDi> !ndiswrapper
[11:13] <mib486> hey ive just created a link of "xubuntu-docs" on the desktop but it wont let me rename it as i want, whatz the big deal with permissions over renaming?
[11:13] <SiDi> a link ?
[11:13] <mib486> yes
[11:13] <SiDi> What kind of link ? A "shortcut" or a true soft link ? :P
[11:14] <SiDi> Isnt there a little "?" symbol in top left of your panel ?
[11:14] <mib486> i got right click > property and try to rename it but it wont let me (a shortcut sorry)
[11:14] <SiDi> mib486: do you know exactly the model of your card ?
[11:15] <mib486> no i dont unfortunately
[11:15] <mib486> (but how do i rename this shortcut?)
[11:15] <SiDi> As for your shortcut, please right click -> Open with mousepad and paste the whole content of the file to paste.ubuntu.com
[11:15] <SiDi> the name is actually not the name of the file. I suppose the file is named xubuntu-docs.desktop or something similar. You can change the "display" name of a desktop file by editing the "Name" property it has, in a text editor
[11:16] <SiDi> You can also specify a name for a particular locale :p
[11:16] <mib486> thatz weird, on this machine i have ubuntu and in order to change the name of a file i click f2
[11:16] <mib486> or right click, properties, and rename it
[11:17] <SiDi> here too actually
[11:17] <SiDi> but its a .desktop file
[11:17] <mib486> (cant paste the content cuz the other pc is not connected to the internet)
[11:17] <SiDi> they're special :P
[11:18] <mib486> so how do i do? o_O i didnt really get it, im a newbie u no :D step by step? :D
[11:18] <SiDi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/206131/ looks like that, right ?
[11:18] <mib486> what looks like that?
[11:22] <SiDi> the content of your xubuntu shortcut if you right click it and open it with the text editor (mousepad)
[11:23] <mib486> if i right click on it ive got "opne, open a terminal here, properties, applications" plus some other not clickable among which "rename" but i see no text editor
[11:25] <SiDi> Not clickable ?
[11:25] <SiDi> interesting
[11:25] <SiDi> mib486: where did you put this damn shortcut ? in your home folder, right ?
[11:25] <mib486> hahahaha
[11:26] <mib486> no, on the desktop
[11:26] <SiDi> ok
[11:26] <SiDi> what does "ls -l Desktop" say ?
[11:26] <SiDi> i want the little bits on the left
[11:26] <SiDi> -rw-r--r--  1 yourusername yourusername ############## filename
[11:26] <SiDi> it should be like this
[11:27] <mib486> well.... it actually says "no such file or directory"
[11:28] <mib486> alright i got it
[11:28] <mib486> it says
[11:28] <mib486> "total 4"
[11:29] <mib486> "lrwxrwxrwx 1 mib mib 104 date xubuntu-docs -> /usr/share/xubuntu-docs"
[11:29] <mib486> thatz what it says
[11:29] <mib486> where date is date and time of today of course
[11:29] <mib486> (actually its date and time of when i created that shortcut)
[11:30] <mib486> brb
[11:35] <SiDi> mib486: type "cp /usr/share/applications/xubuntu-help.desktop ~/Desktop/" and you'll be done
[11:35] <SiDi> and remove that soft link :) its not a shortcut, its a soft link to a folder in /usr/share, on which you dont have rights :)
[11:35] <SiDi> shortcuts in linux are .desktop files
[11:35] <SiDi> like the shortcuts in your menu entries
[11:36] <SiDi> What you created is called a soft link : when you open a link with a piece of software, it will actually open the linked file instead
[11:36] <SiDi> it allows you to browse through files more easily without having to duplicate your files
[11:39] <mib486> ah ok
[11:40] <mib486> but it isnt called xubuntu.help
[11:40] <mib486> xubuntu-docs
[11:40] <mib486> is it the same?
[11:40] <SiDi> yes
[11:40] <SiDi> i think :p
[11:40] <mib486> ok
[11:40] <mib486> how do u do the tilde?
[11:41] <SiDi> Depends on your keyboard layout
[11:41] <SiDi> most likely with the tilde key :P
[11:41] <ablomen> shift+the button next to the 1 (in normal us-int style keybord)
[11:41] <SiDi> its Altgr+2 with french keyboards, and Shift + ² with US ones afaik
[11:42] <SiDi> ablomen: meh: p
[11:42] <ablomen> ;)
[11:44] <mib486> alright how do i remove that link now
[11:44] <mib486> it wont even let me remove it
[11:47] <SiDi> of course cause when you try to remove it tries to remove the file in /usr/share/xubuntu-docs, and you dont have the right to remove this one :D
[11:47] <SiDi> rm Desktop/nameofthelink
[11:48] <mib486> sudo?
[11:48] <SiDi> and dont use links anymore mib486 ;) its not really needed for end users
[11:48] <SiDi> no
[11:48] <SiDi> just rm
[11:48] <SiDi> it will rm the link
[11:48] <SiDi> by default the file manager will follow the link and act on the file
[11:48] <SiDi> but the terminal, with ls and rm, will act on the link
[11:48] <SiDi> and not on the linked file
[11:48] <mib486> ok
[11:49] <mib486> done
[11:49] <mib486> ok thanks SiDi
[11:49] <mib486> gotta go not
[11:49] <mib486> *now
[11:49] <knome> he's a jolly good fellow...
[11:49] <mib486> but sure ill be back to disturb u a bit more :D
[11:49] <mib486> thanks mate cya
[11:49] <SiDi> mib486: no problem :)
[11:49] <SiDi> see you later
[12:06] <Laibsch> How do I prevent XFCE from leaving the current workspace when moving a window to another workspace via keyboard shortcut?
[12:07] <SiDi> i think you cant
[12:07] <SiDi> it'll follow the current window
[12:08] <Laibsch> bummer
[12:08] <ablomen> it will stay btw if you drag it from one screen to another with the pager panel plugin, this might be an option to use
[12:08] <Laibsch> thank you for your answer
[12:08] <Laibsch> ablomen: the idea is to minimize unnecessary "work"
[12:09] <Laibsch> Moving the mouse is the worst
[12:09] <Laibsch> I use the keyboard whenever possible
[12:10] <Laibsch> ablomen: Actually, I'm not so sure what you are talking about.  Can you please explain?  I initially thought you were talking about moving the window off the edge of the screen with the mouse.
[12:11] <ablomen> Laibsch, well you will have to use your mouse, but you can drag windows accros desktops from the pager plugin (the thing in your panel where you can see the different desktops)
[12:13] <ablomen> (http://xubuntu.org/sites/default/files/xubuntu-jaunty.png << the one next to the trash icon in the bottom right corner)
[12:14] <Laibsch> OK
[12:14] <Laibsch> that is what I thought
[12:14] <Laibsch> I have it set to a 2x2 matrix
[12:14] <Laibsch> Maybe it is too small (I have reduced the size of the taskbar, too)
[12:15] <Laibsch> But I don't seem to be able to move windows around in there.
[12:15] <Laibsch> And I don't think I'd be very interested in this since it involves the mouse
[12:15] <Laibsch> Thanks for sharing this, though.
[12:16] <ablomen> oh it might have been taken out (using an older version of xubuntu myself)
[12:18] <knome> no, you can drag a window to another ws in the ws-applet
[14:59] <mib486> hi guys, my session crashed the output was something like "your session only lasted 10 seconds this might be there's some installation problem, try to login with failsafe something...etc" what should i do?
[15:01] <SiDi> mib486: please provide us .xsession-errors
[15:02] <mib486> i dont have internet on the laptop so i cant pastebin the output
[15:02] <mib486> ill try to read and copy here the most info possible
[15:03] <mib486> its weird cuz it was working well before
[15:04] <mib486> i only changed the time and date and now it wont let me log in anymore
[15:05] <mib486> ok so it goes:
[15:06] <mib486> gdm [2645]: DEBUG: Attempting to parse key string: daemon/Greeter=/usr/lib/gdm/gdmlogin
[15:06] <mib486> (and this is the very first line
[15:07] <mib486> an important passage i think it is the following...
[15:07] <mib486> mkdir: cannot create directory '/home/mib/.config': Permission denied
[15:07] <mib486> same thing for /home/mib/.cache
[15:07] <mib486> then it goes
[15:08] <mib486> Can't create dir /home/mib/Desktop
[15:08] <mib486> and music and images and docs etc
[15:08] <mib486> last line is
[15:09] <mib486> xfce4-session: Unable to access file /home/mib/.ICEauthority: Permission Denied
[15:09] <mib486> what is going on??
[15:09] <mib486> SiDi: ?
[15:10] <Slonkie> !patient
[15:10] <Slonkie> well be patient :)
[15:14] <mib486> i thought he/she didnt read it cuz i didnt mention who i was talking to...
[15:15] <charlie-tca> !volunteers
[15:15] <charlie-tca> !patience
[15:15] <charlie-tca> Everyone here is a volunteer, and most are working a regular job while trying to help out
[15:16] <mib486> oh give me a break, i perfectly know how it works here on freenode, i didnt say anything but a question mark after SiDi's name alright?
[15:19] <charlie-tca> Anyone know what "HPLJ 10XX Replaced Paper" is? It shows up in a fresh Karmic install under Applications -> System
[15:35] <SiDi> App -> System -> printers -> this, charlie-tca ?
[15:35] <charlie-tca> No
[15:35] <SiDi> i know hplip (hp utilities for print/scan) is installed by default, but i dont think having a menu entry is normal
[15:35] <SiDi> hm
[15:36] <SiDi> ls /usr/share/applications | grep hp please charlie-tca
[15:36] <charlie-tca> Applications -> System -> HPLJ 10xx Replaced Paper
[15:36] <charlie-tca> I don't even have the printer installed
[15:37] <charlie-tca> SiDi: hplj1020.desktop
[15:39] <SiDi> charlie-tca: okies, sec
[15:42] <SiDi> charlie-tca: searching for the culprit package
[15:43] <charlie-tca> culprit seems to be /usr/share/applications/hplj1020.desktop
[15:43] <SiDi> foo2zjs contains this
[15:43] <SiDi> who reports the bug ? :D
[15:44] <charlie-tca> no, HPLJ 10xx Replaced Paper.desktop
[15:44] <charlie-tca> I guess I will
[15:44] <charlie-tca> Just wanted to know it is a bug, not on purpose
[15:45] <charlie-tca> I filed the screensaver bug last release.
[20:15] <R1cochet> is there anyway to mount a bin/cue kvcd file and play it?
[20:17] <centyx> I've just tried xubuntu this week, and I want to say I'm really impressed. I wanted something fairly lightweight and clean that my dad could use on his old 600mhz notebook, and I think this is it. Thanks for all of your hard work!
[20:19] <aacosta> ok when i try to go to myip.com/test.php
[20:19] <aacosta> instead of displaying the test page it opens a dialoge for me to download it or save it
[20:19] <aacosta> what is going on?
[20:20] <centyx> anyway just wanted to say that, thanks !
[20:21] <aacosta> nevermind got it working
[20:21] <nunu> Hi, I've got a little problem here. My network manager just doesn't want to save my pppoE connection. I already tried to figure out those problems with you guys a long while ago, but without success. Now I'm asking myself if that problem is fixt by now in the jaunty release? And a second question can I burn the CD ISO image on a DVD?
[20:29] <R1cochet> what cd iso image? and i would think yes. i have burned many w/ brasero
[20:30] <nunu> the latest xubuntu iso image of course =)
[20:30] <R1cochet> as to the network manager i was having issues on 8.10. i think it was because it wasnt accessing keyring.
[20:31] <R1cochet> yes u can burn to dvd but y would u want to? use a cd. it will fit
[20:32] <nunu> it's 21:30 here, no way that I can buy a cd now :D
[20:33] <R1cochet> ahhh ok
[20:33] <Slonkie> where do u live?
[20:33] <R1cochet> gotcha
[20:33] <nunu> germany
[20:33] <R1cochet> no walmart?
[20:33] <R1cochet> lol nope
[20:34] <R1cochet> what part of germany?
[20:34] <nunu> a very small village:D
[20:34] <nunu> more cows than people
[20:34] <R1cochet> yea it should work fine on a dvd i would think
[20:34] <R1cochet> damn nunu
[20:34] <Slonkie> borrow one from your neighbours!
[20:34] <R1cochet> largest city u live near? one that shows on a map
[20:34] <nunu> neighbours ????!!!
[20:35] <nunu> ;P
[20:35] <nunu> I think Oldenburg or Wilhelmshaven
[20:35] <nunu> dunno what you call them in english :D
[20:35] <R1cochet> cool, i still have no idea where that is :)
[20:36] <R1cochet> been to munchen and berlinen
[20:36] <nunu> http://maps.google.de/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=de&geocode=&q=Bockhorn&sll=53.213229,7.863808&sspn=0.063323,0.156898&ie=UTF8&ll=48.315425,11.98956&spn=0.00879,0.019612&t=h&z=15&iwloc=A
[20:37] <R1cochet> damn u aint kidding about no neighbors
[20:37] <nunu> no wait
[20:37] <nunu> thats the wrong villaghe
[20:37] <nunu> xD
[20:38] <R1cochet> all good ur near my favorite, munchen :)
[20:38] <R1cochet> gotta love bavaria
[20:38] <nunu> http://maps.google.de/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=de&geocode=&q=Bockhorn+26345&sll=48.314083,11.987178&sspn=0.004395,0.009806&ie=UTF8&ll=53.392747,8.015792&spn=0.003941,0.009806&t=h&z=16 <- that should be it
[20:39] <nunu> I live at the north coast , so bavaria is a loooong trip =)
[20:40] <R1cochet> ahh ok
[20:40] <R1cochet> thats a ways away from first city lol
[20:40] <nunu> but we got DSL up to 32k ^^
[20:41] <nunu> yes its ab bit
[20:41] <S0210> My panel does not use the /home/user/.config/xfce4/desktop/menu.xml file for the panel popup menu. But I can't figure out what else is set to be used... How can I check it?
[20:41] <nunu> 20 km
[20:41] <R1cochet> did they ever get that maglev train built in germany? from frankfurt i believe?
[20:41] <nunu> my daily bicycle tour ^^
[20:42] <nunu> what train?
[20:42] <R1cochet> S0210: rt click on applications and hit properties
[20:43] <R1cochet> they were talking about building a maglev hi-speed train near Frankfurt i believe
[20:43] <nunu> ah now i get it, the magnetic stuff train ^^ No we don't use it, theres only a test course
[20:43] <R1cochet> ahh ok
[20:43] <nunu> "to risky"
[20:43] <R1cochet> how so?
[20:44] <R1cochet> might move people too fast
[20:44] <nunu> ask the politicians
[20:44] <nunu> ^^
[20:44] <R1cochet> lmao
[20:44] <R1cochet> what do they know
[20:44] <R1cochet> well i still like ur rail system
[20:44] <nunu> =) they're the ones in charge :/
[20:44] <nunu> I like it too
[20:45] <R1cochet> i know what u mean
[20:45] <R1cochet> im in the states
[20:45] <S0210> R1cochet: changeing it to menu.xml it gives an empty menu... <:-.
[20:45] <nunu> its fast and doesn't pollute the envoirement that much, (I think)
[20:46] <nunu> If you want to ride that train you'd have to go to china or japan, I think there's one active
[20:46] <nunu> =)
[20:46] <R1cochet> S0210: did u try xfce-applications.menu located in /etc/xdg/xubuntu/menus ?
[20:46] <R1cochet> yea i think so
[20:48] <R1cochet> S0210: did u get it?
[20:49] <S0210> R1cochet: I got it but ... its content does not remind me to the menu options
[20:49] <R1cochet> ??? i dont understand?
[20:50] <S0210> R1cochet: what am I expected to see in xfce-application.menus?
[20:51] <S0210> R1cochet: that's the only file I find in /etc/xdg/xubuntu/menus
[20:51] <R1cochet> yea change that to ur menu file
[20:52] <R1cochet> im confused
[20:52] <R1cochet> did u want to change ur applications menu file?
[20:53] <S0210> R1cochet: yes, after upgradeing to 9.04 my menu list became a long list of (existing but) unwanted applications...
[20:54] <S0210> R1cochet: I first thought to change the menu.xml but that is not recognized
[20:54] <S0210> R1cochet: (at leat in the main user account. in the other user account it works fine.)
[20:55] <nunu> k3b just told me to insert a cd when trying to burn the ISO on a dvd
[20:55] <nunu> is there another command I can use or so?
[20:56] <nunu> I'll just tell him that its a dvd iso ^^
[20:56] <R1cochet> nunu: not sure? ive never tried to burn it to dvd sry
[20:56] <R1cochet> S0210: as far as i know there is no way to edit the menu like there was in 8.10
[20:57] <R1cochet> ive asked my self and was told that i couldnt.
[20:57] <R1cochet> u might be able to create ur own menu list and use that instead tho
[20:57] <R1cochet> but i have no idea where to begin
[20:59] <S0210> hmmm... let's see some more experiments. }:-. thanks anyway!
[21:10] <nunu> R1cochet, works, I just selected the cd ISO image from the "Burn dvd image" option
[21:10] <nunu> cya @ll
[21:34] <aaqil> why aria download manager is not working with xubuntu where it works with ubuntu? http://valentine.viviti.com/entries/softwares/linux-ubuntu-mint-download-manager-aria
[21:39] <charlie-tca> Perhaps it has Gnome dependencies that Xubuntu does not install?
[21:41] <R1cochet> aaqil: have u not tried the dl manager for firefox?
[21:41] <charlie-tca> Don't know for sure, though
[21:41] <aaqil> So I cannot have that nice download manager in xubuntu? :(
[21:41] <charlie-tca> Perhaps ask the linux-mint people
[21:41] <charlie-tca> You can not have that one, without installing everything it needs.
[21:41] <aaqil> dl manager is not that good, i liked aria, its auto shut down, speed limiting etc features
[21:42] <R1cochet> ahh ok
[21:42] <R1cochet> sry i dont know what to tell u, i would look into dependencies
[21:42] <R1cochet> did u grab it from synaptic?
[21:43] <aaqil> i dont know what u are asking, in ubuntu i used to install that by searching in synaptic package manager, or by using sudo apt-get install aria command in terminal
[21:44] <R1cochet> did u install from synaptic in xubuntu?
[21:44] <aaqil> by terminal
[21:44] <R1cochet> and all dependencies were met?
[21:44] <aaqil> but in xubuntu it said aria2 package name, but in ubuntu was only aria without "2"
[21:45] <R1cochet> so whats wrong w/ it?
[21:46] <aaqil> how to run that aria2, in ubuntu after aria installation it was appearing in applications
[21:46] <charlie-tca> aria is no longer available in Ubuntu either
[21:46] <R1cochet> have u tried to log out then back in?
[21:47] <aaqil> yes have restarted xubuntu
[21:47] <aaqil> charlie-tca, why why why :'(
[21:47] <R1cochet> did u grab the gui also?
[21:47] <charlie-tca> Ask the developers who maintain the repositories, I guess. MOTU
[21:47] <R1cochet> http://aria2.sourceforge.net/#guifrontends
[21:48] <charlie-tca> In 8.04, I see both apps listed, perhaps aria2 replaced aria
[21:48] <R1cochet> aaqil: i would look into getting a front end for aria
[21:48] <R1cochet> looks like u need to install seperately
[21:49] <R1cochet> Aria2::GUI is a graphical user Interface (GUI) for the command-line operated aria2.
[21:49] <R1cochet> aria2 is command line thats y u dont see it in the menu
[21:49] <R1cochet> u need a gui for it
[21:50] <R1cochet> http://www.martin-achern.de/wgetgui/aria2gui.html
[21:50] <charlie-tca> personally, I use "DownThemAll" in firefox
[21:50] <R1cochet> http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=210341
[21:50] <R1cochet> charlie-tca: how is that?
[21:51] <charlie-tca> Works great
[21:51] <R1cochet> i used the basic dl manager for firefox and didnt like it at all
[21:51] <R1cochet> can i grab that from add-ons in ff?
[21:51] <charlie-tca> yes
[21:51] <charlie-tca> basic dl manager sucks
[21:51] <R1cochet> YES it does
[21:52] <charlie-tca> I been using DownThemAll for a couple of years now. It is still working in karmic
[21:54] <R1cochet> it can stop and start dl after i close ff and open it back up?
[21:55] <charlie-tca> don't know, never tried it
[21:55] <R1cochet> one last q about it
[21:56] <charlie-tca> It will stop and resume downloads
[21:56] <R1cochet> does it use own window or tab?
[21:56] <charlie-tca> window
[21:56] <R1cochet> cool
[21:56] <R1cochet> ty
[21:56] <charlie-tca> worth looking at, anyway
[21:57] <R1cochet> got it ty
[22:00] <R1cochet> ahh it even chimes :)
[22:00] <R1cochet> how cute
[22:01] <charlie-tca> Don't forget to set up your preferences for it.
[22:03] <R1cochet> will do
[22:04] <aaqil> there was some command to remove unnecessary package, with word autoremove, sudo apt-get autoremove is not working
[22:05] <R1cochet> that was the commend
[22:05] <R1cochet> command*
[22:05] <aaqil> sudo apt-get autoremove packagename? ok
[22:05] <R1cochet> i think u have to do sudo apt-get purge package
[22:05] <R1cochet> then sudo apt-get autoremove
[22:06] <R1cochet> no package name
[22:07] <charlie-tca> aaqil: sudo apt-get autoremove does not use a package name
[22:07] <R1cochet> as far as i know
[22:07] <R1cochet> dta is awesome
[22:07] <R1cochet> ty charlie-tca
[22:08] <charlie-tca> It removes all packages that are not applications and do not have any connection to any other package
[22:08] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[22:08] <aaqil> ok
[22:10] <charlie-tca> apt-get --help will give the options it uses
[22:18] <aaqil> R1cochet, charlie-tca  Thank you :)
[22:19] <aacosta> whats the easisst way to install drupal
[22:19] <aacosta> on xubuntu
[22:19] <aacosta> i already have lamp set up
[22:19] <knome> !info drupal
[22:19] <knome> !info drupal6
[22:20] <aacosta> really?
[22:20] <charlie-tca> yes.
[22:20] <aacosta> so i guess i have to try out another one
[22:20] <charlie-tca> why?
[22:20] <charlie-tca> use apt-get install drupal6
[22:20] <aacosta> ok
[22:20] <aacosta> and then how do i set it up
[22:21] <charlie-tca> or open synaptic package manager and search for drupal.
[22:21] <charlie-tca> set up you should read the docs for drupal
[22:21] <charlie-tca> and thank knome for helping
[22:21] <knome> charlie-tca, isn't the web apps installed in server www root?
[22:21] <knome> i've never done that.
[22:22] <aacosta> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Drupal
[22:22] <aacosta> i found these
[22:22] <aacosta> instructions
[22:22] <charlie-tca> I don't know  where drupal will install. I always install from the internet by downloading and unzipping
[22:22] <aacosta> yeah thats what im going to do
[22:22] <aacosta> and place everything in www/drupal
[22:22] <charlie-tca> Have you read the wiki page?
[22:22] <aacosta> ive done it on mamp before
[22:22] <aacosta> no
[22:22] <aacosta> ill go to that next
[22:22] <knome> please read it
[22:22] <knome> it is answering your question 100%
[22:22] <charlie-tca> I would, if I wanted to use drupal
[22:23] <knome> hrgh
[22:23] <knome> thinking of using drupal makes me sick
[22:23] <knome> ;)
[22:23]  * charlie-tca nods
[22:23] <knome> that reminds me i should hack my wordpress a bit
[22:24]  * charlie-tca don't use it either, but does like xoops and wordpress
[22:24] <aacosta> what should i use then?
[22:24] <aacosta> for making a simple business webpage
[22:24] <charlie-tca> I can't think of any reason to
[22:24] <aacosta> a webpage for a business
[22:25] <knome> i have drupal experience mostly from two commercial projects and either one has been a success, not cms-wise either in other points of view...
[22:25] <charlie-tca> you have to decide what will work for you, not us
[22:25] <aacosta> yeah ive only use drupal once before
[22:25] <aacosta> it was ok
[22:25] <aacosta> i wish it would be easier
[22:25] <knome> aacosta, there are tons of cms' in the web
[22:26] <charlie-tca> I have xoops for one website and html for the other one I built
[22:26] <knome> i have wordpress mu, wordpress mu, wordpress and hand-coded
[22:26] <charlie-tca> teamcharliesangels.com is all html I wrote by hand
[22:26] <knome> since my "total website platform switch" this year ;)
[22:27] <charlie-tca> You're all wordpress now?
[22:27] <knome> aacosta, selecting a cms is a matter of taste and need
[22:27] <knome> yep.
[22:27] <charlie-tca> neat!
[22:27] <aacosta> i need to make a simple webpage for a business
[22:27] <charlie-tca> Should be easier to maintain that way
[22:27] <aacosta> probably just basic layout about us, services contact locations
[22:27] <knome> charlie-tca, totally - gives me more time writing the blog and doing other things...
[22:27] <aacosta> you know suer basic
[22:28] <aacosta> i thought it was kidna hard using drupal for something as basic as that
[22:28] <knome> aacosta, drupal might be a bit overkill, to say
[22:28] <charlie-tca> Do they need php?
[22:28] <charlie-tca> Do they need interaction with others in the website?
[22:28] <aacosta> yeah i know
[22:28] <charlie-tca> If not, use html in bluefish
[22:28] <knome> some kind of cms is usually required by any client so they can modify the content themselves
[22:29] <aacosta> yeah tahts why i wanted to use a cms
[22:29] <aacosta> that way they can mess w it
[22:29] <knome> aacosta, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_content_management_systems
[22:32] <knome> aacosta, out of those that are free, php and not blog-oriented, i've heard most good about joomla
[22:33] <aacosta> yeah joomla was my first choice actually since my neighbor is super into it
[22:34] <charlie-tca> If you have tried about half of those, is that bad?
[22:34] <knome> me? :)
[22:34] <charlie-tca> me
[22:34] <knome> heh, not really.
[22:34] <charlie-tca> I think I have tried at least half of everything under free
[22:35] <knome> i think i "only" have notable experience of drupal (yak), mediawiki (yak), textpattern and wordpress.
[22:35] <aacosta> i think im going ti give joomala try
[22:36] <knome> textpattern isn't that bad, but the decision to go wordpress was kind of intuitional
[22:36] <charlie-tca> joomla should be good
[22:36] <knome> wordpress is a bit better looking than textpattern.
[22:37] <charlie-tca> I like moinmoin, twikiwiki, dokuwiki, joomla, wordpress, xoops
[22:37] <knome> i've used textile a lot, and i like it.
[22:37] <knome> imho it's way better than most of the wiki markup languages
[22:38] <charlie-tca> so many choices, so little that works for each person
[22:38] <knome> yep :)
[22:38] <knome> though, i'm just building a site for a client with wordpress
[22:39] <knome> the site has no news/blog section but a product catalog
[22:39] <knome> ...which is built from the "blog articles" ;)
[22:40] <charlie-tca> never thought of that.
[22:40] <knome> the custom fields symbolise different models of a product (name/price)
[22:40] <charlie-tca> makes sense, though
[22:40] <knome> and that allows the site to have a product basket, where you can add items like in an eshop
[22:40] <knome> though you can't order them from the site :)
[22:41] <knome> i've taken the finnish translation and changed a lot of translation to fit better in the product catalog scheme
[22:42] <knome> (the finnish translation for category was 'aihe', which is more like topic or subject, so i changed them to 'kategoria' which means.. uhm... category, obviously enough)
[22:42] <ochosi> sorry to step in in the middle of this, but how's it going with the xubuntu-blog? any news on that, knome?
[22:42] <aacosta> xubuntu blog thats pimp
[22:42] <ochosi> oh, and "hi" btw :)
[22:43] <knome> ochosi, nope. there is not yet a clear vision on where it should be set up and whether it shall aggregate posts or not.
[22:43] <ochosi> mm, i see
[22:43] <knome> most possibly it will be at (subdomain.)xubuntu.org and *not* aggregate posts from developer blogs
[22:43] <ochosi> i wasn't really much around lately, i'm kinda super-busy atm, but i was reading the ml and it got kinda quiet there lately. so i thought i'd check in again
[22:44] <knome> yep.
[22:44] <knome> still thinking about it :)
[22:44] <ochosi> so what would be the concept of it, if it's not planet-like?
[22:45] <ochosi> something like an *official* news channel?
[22:45] <knome> mmh. something like a team blog where we would write some forehead planned things.
[22:45] <ochosi> hmm, sounds like extra work :)
[22:47] <knome> totally!
[22:47] <knome> i'm already writing for two personal blogs and one company blog
[22:47] <ochosi> wow, that's a lot
[22:47] <knome> kind of yes... ;)
[22:47] <ochosi> so you all agree that this extra blog is a good idea?
[22:48] <knome> i don't totally agree. i agree that only aggregated blogs would kind of make the blog a not-so-xubuntu-blog, because everybody is not always writing only about xubuntu
[22:49] <ochosi> but adding a xubuntu-tag to those blog entries that are xubuntu-related is not an option?
[22:49] <ochosi> (i'm really sorry, if you had this discussion many times before just let me know and i'll leave you alone :) )
[22:49] <knome> it is, but even xubuntu-tagged blog entries are not completely xubuntu, if they are published on your personal blog
[22:50] <ochosi> mhm, that makes sense
[22:50] <knome> not really. this is something i've thought about a lot and haven't found an answer, so if we find one doing this...
[22:50] <ochosi> the audience is different
[22:50] <knome> also, every xubuntu-tagged blog is not even necessarily something we want to publish on "the official team blog"
[22:51] <knome> and i think we can't affort to ask everybody (let's see, that's me and cody-somerville ;)) to use a yet another tag
[22:51] <ochosi> so you think it's better to have a dedicated xubuntu blog - even if that means more work and less publishing - than having say a "xubuntu-team" tag?
[22:51] <ochosi> hehe
[22:51] <knome> not really.
[22:51] <charlie-tca> Don't forget vinnl. He blogs more than some of us
[22:52] <knome> ah, vinnl and charlie-tca of course;)
[22:52] <knome> but i think vinnl does write relatively xubuntu-centric
[22:52] <charlie-tca> You can always count on me having nothing
[22:52] <knome> so have i done thus far when i've tagged something xubuntu
[22:52] <knome> but that might not always be the case
[22:52] <ochosi> cause if it really doesn't aggregate blogs like a planet, i have to say i agree with charlie-tca's concerns (mentioned a few weeks back) that it will be difficult to get people to write
[22:53] <ochosi> -cause
[22:53] <knome> ochosi, i really woudln't mind the extra work, honestly :(
[22:53] <knome> that's true.
[22:53] <ochosi> hehe
[22:53] <knome> it's also a question of comfort.
[22:53] <ochosi> so you think having a "xubuntu-team" tag wouldn't work?
[22:54] <ochosi> cause it could really help with the comfort of posting on your personal blog
[22:54] <knome> might work, but that would be duplicating stuff
[22:54] <knome> i don't want to have both "xubuntu" and "xubuntu-team" tags
[22:54] <ochosi> why not?
[22:54] <knome> ok, i always could hide the xubuntu-team tag, but i still don't think that's so nice.
[22:54] <knome> it's cruft on my database.
[22:55] <Shmeck> hi all
[22:55] <knome> hello sc
[22:55] <knome> hello Shmeck
[22:55] <ochosi> hi Shmeck
[22:55] <charlie-tca> hello, Shmeck
[22:55] <knome> takes precious HD space.
[22:55] <knome> (ok, not so precious as in the 80's)
[22:55] <ochosi> hm, yeah, well that really reduces the options, you know
[22:56] <knome> ochosi, even if i did that, the other would also have to...
[22:56] <knome> and i think cody-somerville is the most hesitant here
[22:56] <ochosi> well, i don't even say everyone would have to
[22:56] <knome> he wants the extra xubuntu team
[22:56] <knome> +blog
[22:56] <Shmeck> wow, warm reception :), so I'm looking for a tini-tiny linux for this REAL old pc, but there are a few catches
[22:56] <ochosi> i'm just saying making this an option could help
[22:56] <knome> rather than an another planet
[22:56] <ochosi> with getting people to write more
[22:56] <knome> Shmeck, how much ram?
[22:57]  * charlie-tca too slow when knome is around
[22:57] <knome> charlie-tca, ;)
[22:57] <Shmeck> knome: exactly :) it supposed to have a 192m
[22:57] <ochosi> yeah, knome is typing like crazy :)
[22:57] <knome> Shmeck, how much do you have?
[22:57] <charlie-tca> 192mb is perfect
[22:57] <knome> ochosi, we would need an editor.
[22:57] <knome> ochosi, he could read and modify the aggregated posts if needed
[22:58] <Shmeck> knome: but, memcheck says different
[22:58] <knome> Shmeck, what does it say then? :)
[22:58] <knome> ochosi, and add the "monthly" team reports there, for example
[22:58] <ochosi> knome, hm, that's true on the one hand, but on the other hand it's people's responsibilities to post what they think is "xubuntu-team-blog"-worthy
[22:58] <Shmeck> well, it doesn't, meaning i've got a 128 and a 64 cards, one of them should be fine, right?
[22:59] <knome> ochosi, or as an alternative to editing the posts, he could write there about somebody writing something and making little summaries about posts.
[22:59] <ochosi> knome, monthly team reports sounds like a really good idea. that would be a lot more accessible on a blog than on the ubuntu wiki
[22:59] <charlie-tca> Yeah, but they still need to be submitted to the wiki
[22:59] <ochosi> knome, what you're describing there is actually running a blog :)
[23:00] <knome> charlie-tca, true, but not many *users* go to the wiki reading them
[23:00] <charlie-tca> They are printed in the weekly news too
[23:00] <saketh> hi does anyone know how to replace xfwm4 with metacity?
[23:00] <knome> ochosi, yes, kind of, except you wouldn't have to produce all the content *yourself* and it would be a burden to one guy only, not a small burden for everyone.
[23:01] <ochosi> charlie-tca, when i first went to the ubuntu wiki i wasn't sure whether this was something internal or actually meant for public viewing
[23:01] <Shmeck> knome: so iv'e heard of xubuntu (or just one of it's versions) to need only ~128 for live cd, any truth to that?
[23:01] <knome> ochosi, (i know that last sentence doesn't really fit the OS way of thinking ;>)
[23:01] <saketh> i mean i can switch window managers to metacity, but i cant change themes
[23:01] <knome> Shmeck, charlie-tca is the master in that.
[23:01] <knome> Shmeck, he's run xubuntu with 128
[23:01] <mib486> after a fresh install, xubuntu won't let me log-in, the xsession errors log says something like "cannot access the /home/myname/.ICEauthority" i cannot pastebin it cuz itz on a laptop that does not have internet connection. the suggestion that the "debug" gives is to re-start in failsafe mode and correct the error from a terminal, i dunno how to do that, could someone please help? thanks
[23:02] <charlie-tca> mib486: sounds like permissions are wrong. You need to chown /home/USER to your login name
[23:02] <knome> charlie-tca, right, i've never read the weekly news that closely, so i don't know if others do
[23:02] <charlie-tca> I do
[23:02] <charlie-tca> Shmeck: it will run slowly with 128
[23:02] <ochosi> knome, hmm, but don't blog authors do that as well? quoting and summarizing other blogs? (i've actually never *seriously* run a blog)
[23:02] <knome> charlie-tca, ochosi: also xubuntu has a way much smaller audience than hugebuntu
[23:02] <charlie-tca> You can run one app at a time
[23:02] <knome> ochosi, sure.
[23:03] <mib486> charlie-tca: exactly! indeed it says "Permission denied" to a lot of things in the debug output, so what should i exactly do? (im a newbie) and if its possible id like to understand why is it telling so, thanks
[23:03] <knome> ochosi, but authoring a blog is *mostly* about your own thoughts in the end
[23:03] <charlie-tca> Ever used root to access the /home directory?
[23:03] <Shmeck> charlie-tca: no problem with slow, only problem is to get it booting, which something i meanwhile wasn't able to do, but i only tried ubuntu so far (new to linux guy 0.o)
[23:04] <ochosi> knome, don't get me wrong, i think a blog editor (or someone responsible for it) is a must, but burdening that person with summarizing ... i don't know. the question with that is: from where should he take those articles and summarize them? the *internet*?
[23:04] <Shmeck> charlie-tca, so so i need a specific version of xubuntu?
[23:04] <charlie-tca> Shmeck: go to http://xubuntu.org/get and download 9.04. It will work, but it takes a long time to boot the livecd
[23:05] <Shmeck> charlie-tca: I have all night :D
[23:05] <Shmeck> thanks
[23:05] <charlie-tca> mib486: you will need to go to a tty, and then login.
[23:05] <charlie-tca> If you can't log in there, then you boot to recovery mode
[23:05] <charlie-tca> Shmeck: good luck
[23:06] <knome> (if anyone wants to follow the xubuntu blog discussion further, please join #xubuntu-devel, we moved it there)
[23:06] <charlie-tca> mib486: when you get the recovery menu, choose "root"
[23:06] <mib486> charlie-tca: following the debug advice i reboot in "terminal-failsafe" and now ive a terminal window that i can type in, i dunno how to go to a tty and i dunno how to get to the recovery menu, sorry :D
[23:07] <charlie-tca> type in the terminal then.
[23:07] <charlie-tca> cd /home
[23:07] <mib486> ok
[23:07] <charlie-tca> hit enter after each line
[23:07] <mib486> done
[23:07] <charlie-tca> ls
[23:07] <charlie-tca> what does it give?
[23:07] <mib486> lost+found myname
[23:08] <charlie-tca> sudo chown -R myname:myname /home/myname
[23:08] <charlie-tca> enter your login password when it asks
[23:09] <Shmeck> charlie-tca, while second-thinking this I reviewd the xubuntu.org/get page, it sais a minimum of 192 for livecd, any chance it just won't boot?
[23:09] <charlie-tca> always a chance. We use 192 for a safe limit. It booted here using 128, and installed from alternate cd using 64mb
[23:09] <mib486> charlie-tca: done
[23:09] <aacosta> so how do i go about installing joomla
[23:09] <aacosta> http://allforlinux.blogspot.com/2008/05/installing-joomla-in-ubuntu-tutorial.html
[23:10] <charlie-tca> mib486: now restart the system
[23:10] <mib486> ok
[23:10] <mib486> how?
[23:10] <charlie-tca> sudo shutdown -r now
[23:10] <mib486> ok
[23:10] <charlie-tca> Shmeck: I was even able to boot the desktop with 64mb after installing
[23:11] <charlie-tca> I booted with 128mb to the live cd, and ran an install, but it took 17 hours to run
[23:11] <Shmeck> wow
[23:11] <charlie-tca> Like I say, it might be a bit slow to install
[23:12] <charlie-tca> Installation from the alternate cd is *only* about 4 hours
[23:12] <charlie-tca> That´s why we give 192mb minimum on the website.
[23:13] <charlie-tca> It could take up to 45 minutes to get the desktop to show up in the live cd at 128mb
[23:13] <Shmeck> and that's what i'm considering right now, but I really think I could work with a smaller distribution
[23:13] <mib486> charlie-tca: it gives the same error, it won't let me in
[23:13] <charlie-tca> did not give any errors before?
[23:14] <charlie-tca> try 'ls -lA | more' in the terminal, and see who owns the files
[23:15] <charlie-tca> Shmeck: after the install, it seems to boot up within two minutes, and works.
[23:15] <mib486> charlie-tca: sorry charlie, was that for me?
[23:15] <Shmeck> OK ill test the memory again in different combinations to see where i stand
[23:15] <charlie-tca> mib486: did not give any errors before?
[23:16] <charlie-tca> good, Shmeck
[23:16] <Shmeck> meanwhile ill get the alternate cd
[23:16] <Shmeck> ciao then :)
[23:16] <mib486> charlie-tca: no it didnt, it is a fresh install, no errors at all, i boot it many times in 2 days and its the first time that it gives such an error
[23:17] <charlie-tca> mib486: try 'ls -lA | more' in the terminal, and see who owns the files
[23:18] <mib486> charlie-tca: lots of lines came out but ALL of em have myname myname at the beginning
[23:18] <mib486> charlie-tca: even .ICEauthority (the last line of the debug output)
[23:19] <charlie-tca> okay, mib486. What are the permissions of .ICEauthority?
[23:19] <mib486> charlie-tca: what do you mean?
[23:20] <charlie-tca> rwxrwxrwx?
[23:20] <mib486> charlie-tca: ah u might mean this -rw----------
[23:20] <charlie-tca> that is the one
[23:21] <charlie-tca> okay, try cd /home
[23:21] <mib486> also .dmrc and .esd_auth and gtk-bookmarks have the same permissions (among the ones im able to see now)
[23:22] <mib486> another one is .recently-used.xbel
[23:22] <mib486> and .Xauthority
[23:22] <mib486> im in /home now
[23:22] <charlie-tca> ls
[23:23] <charlie-tca> who owns "myname"?
[23:24] <mib486> the output of "ls" in "/home" is "lost+found   myname"
[23:24] <charlie-tca> rwxrwxrwx?
[23:25] <charlie-tca> oh, ls -l
[23:25] <mib486> alright ill copy it letter by letter, it'll take a min
[23:25] <mib486> total 28
[23:26] <mib486> drwx------ 2 root root 16384 date and time lost+found
[23:26] <mib486> drwx------ 28 myname myname 12288 date and time myname
[23:26] <charlie-tca> okay, time for changes again. hit enter after each line
[23:27] <charlie-tca> sudo chmod u+rwx /home/myname
[23:27] <mib486> sure
[23:27] <charlie-tca> sudo chmod g+rwx /home/myname
[23:27] <mib486> done
[23:28] <charlie-tca> sudo chmod o+rwx /home/myname
[23:28] <mib486> and done
[23:28] <charlie-tca> sudo shutdown -r now
[23:28] <charlie-tca> restarting again
[23:29] <mib486> done
[23:29] <mib486> what did we do?
[23:30] <charlie-tca> we made your /home writeable by you
[23:30] <charlie-tca> and writeable by the system when it boots
[23:30] <aacosta> when ever i try to play a song on vlc
[23:30] <aacosta> it mysteriously closes
[23:30] <charlie-tca> it should now show rwxrwxrwx for ls -l /home
[23:31] <mib486> what does rwx mean btw?
[23:31] <aacosta> any mp3 pretty much
[23:31] <aacosta> should i apt-get remove vlc
[23:31] <aacosta> and then install it again?
[23:31] <aacosta> or why is it doing that
[23:31] <charlie-tca> read, write, executable by owner, user, group
[23:31] <charlie-tca> aacosta: I don't know
[23:31] <mib486> charlie-tca: (same error) what do i do? restart in terminal failsafe again?
[23:32] <aacosta> yeah its really weird
[23:32] <aacosta> i have to use movie player
[23:32] <aacosta> to play mp3s
[23:32] <aacosta> i really like vlc too
[23:32] <charlie-tca> mib486: yes
[23:34] <mib486> it says "User's $HOME/.dmrc file is being ignored. This prevents the default session and language being saved. File should be owned by user and have 644 permissions. User's $HOME directory must be owned by user and not writable by other users."
[23:34] <mib486> so we made it? :D
[23:34] <mib486> we broke into the system? :D
[23:34] <charlie-tca> we broke it again
[23:34] <charlie-tca> did it let you in?
[23:34] <mib486> no, it let me in the terminal
[23:35] <charlie-tca> okay.
[23:35] <Shmeck> i'm back
[23:35] <charlie-tca> cd /home
[23:35] <mib486> when it wasnt lettin me in before i restart in failsafe terminal mode and it told me what i pasted u before
[23:35] <aacosta> yup same error
[23:35] <aacosta> i removed it
[23:35] <mib486> im there
[23:35] <aacosta> reinsalled
[23:35] <aacosta> it still does the ssame thing
[23:35] <charlie-tca> yeah, we will try again, mib486
[23:35] <aacosta> imon xubuntu 9.04 for powerpc
[23:35] <Shmeck> so, lucky me
[23:36] <mib486> aacosta: just try to delete the VLC folder
[23:36] <charlie-tca> Shmeck: did it work?
[23:36] <aacosta> what do you mean?
[23:36] <Shmeck> first thing i've done was shifting the cards one slot -> memcheck -> no errors!
[23:36] <Shmeck> so uhm, kubuntu was the cd in the drive (don't kill me guys)
[23:36] <mib486> aacosta: sometimes u just need to delete an application's folder in order to make the system re-create it in a right way
[23:37] <Shmeck> so it's running right now
[23:37] <charlie-tca> Than Xubuntu should work really good
[23:37] <aacosta> ok
[23:37] <aacosta> where would the folder be?
[23:37] <mib486> dunno bout that :D
[23:37] <aacosta> hahaha
[23:37] <Shmeck> anyway, it's wierd,  that pc was laying there, it didn't boot till just right now (years)
[23:38] <aacosta> in etc?
[23:38] <charlie-tca> aacosta: look in /home/username/ for a . file
[23:38] <mib486> search it up on google, someone else might experienced the same error and maybe there's a workaround
[23:38] <charlie-tca> mib486: rady to try again
[23:38] <charlie-tca> ?
[23:38] <Shmeck> weve had 3 different machines since
[23:38] <mib486> charlie-tca: sure :D
[23:38] <charlie-tca> Shmeck: sounds like the memory slot is bad
[23:38] <charlie-tca> mib486: cd /home
[23:38] <mib486> imthere
[23:38] <Shmeck> of course
[23:39] <charlie-tca> mib486: sudo chmod g-w /home/myname
[23:39] <Shmeck> this great leap brings me a step further, the original reason i'm looking for linux
[23:39] <mib486> charlie-tca: done
[23:39] <charlie-tca> mib486: sudo chmod o-w /home/myname
[23:40] <charlie-tca> try another restart
[23:40] <mib486> charlie-tca: done, but shouldn't it be -R ?
[23:40] <mib486> yes
[23:40] <charlie-tca> no
[23:40] <charlie-tca> no -R
[23:41] <mib486> oik
[23:41] <mib486> ok
[23:41] <mib486> i thought it had to be recursive
[23:41] <charlie-tca> we didn't -R those before, did you
[23:41] <Shmeck> i'm joining this course a few months from now, it's an intense course involving different technologies, my background is actually embedded development, but this course involves linux also, and as I have absolutely no experince in linux, i thought it'd be a good idea to experiment with it now
[23:42] <charlie-tca> great, Shmeck . This is a good place to start
[23:42] <mib486> charlie-tca: no no, not at all mate, i was just wondering if it had to be -R or not
[23:42] <charlie-tca> no -R
[23:42] <mib486> charlie-tca: but i typed what u said
[23:42] <charlie-tca> It should work, I hope, now
[23:42] <Shmeck> the objective now is to study as much as possible
[23:43] <mib486> charlie-tca: im really hopeful this time... this laptop is giving me such a hard time u cant even imagine
[23:43] <mib486> charlie-tca: nothing man... same error... uff
[23:43] <Shmeck> i'd appreciate your (and I mean everyone lurking on this channel) ideas
[23:43] <charlie-tca> Yes, I can. I have had to reinstall when it screwed my permissions up before
[23:44] <charlie-tca> what same error? the .dmrc needs 644 one?
[23:44] <mib486> charlie-tca: so u think i should re-insall? but i didnt change anything at all
[23:44] <mib486> charlie-tca: no that was in between, now its giving me the original one, long list that ends up with .ICEAuthority not accessible
[23:45] <charlie-tca> try something first. what is 'ls -la .dmrc'
[23:46] <charlie-tca> should be myname and -rw-------
[23:49] <charlie-tca> mib486: you could rm any file starting with /home/myname/. and try again. That should rebuild the files for you
[23:49] <mib486> yes
[23:49] <mib486> charlie-tca: thatz what it was -rw--------
[23:50] <charlie-tca> your in a terminal
[23:50] <charlie-tca> try cd /
[23:50] <charlie-tca> ls -l /home
[23:50] <charlie-tca> see if that is root and rwxr-xr-x
[23:51] <mib486> [00:24] <mib486> total 28
[23:51] <mib486> [00:25] <mib486> drwx------ 2 root root 16384 date and time lost+found
[23:51] <mib486> [00:25] <mib486> drwx------ 28 myname myname 12288 date and time myname
[23:51] <mib486> same thing that it gave before
[23:51] <mib486> no wait
[23:51] <mib486> im sorry
[23:51] <mib486> the second one is drwx-xr-x
[23:51] <mib486> and then equal as it follows
[23:52] <mib486> ill re-write it sorry ;D
[23:52] <mib486> total 28
[23:52] <charlie-tca> okay
[23:52] <mib486> drwx------ 2 root root 16384 date and time lost+found
[23:52] <mib486> drwx-xr-x 28 myname myname 12288 date and time myname
[23:52] <mib486> that is correct
[23:52] <charlie-tca> those are right
[23:53] <charlie-tca> now try 'ls -l | more' and look at home
[23:53] <Shmeck> charlie-tca, umm, how long do you think it will take to format a 10g hdd. it's 2am right now so..
[23:53] <Shmeck> having 192 ram and xubuntu
[23:54] <charlie-tca> mib486: it also needs to be root and rwxr-xr-x
[23:54] <charlie-tca> Shmeck: not sure, mine are 40gb and take a couple hours
[23:54] <charlie-tca> at 128mb
[23:55] <charlie-tca> I would think maybe 1/2 hour at the most, but might be closer to 10 minutes
[23:55] <mib486> charlie-tca: so we need to change it as we did before but instead of myname myname it has to be root root right?
[23:55] <Shmeck> so its (couple hours)*192/(4*128)
[23:55] <Shmeck> :P
[23:56] <charlie-tca> Yeah, with 192mb, it should only be a couple hours. It is much faster than 128mb
[23:56] <charlie-tca> mib486: yeah, here we go
[23:57] <charlie-tca> sudo chmod u+rwx /home
[23:57] <charlie-tca> sudo chmod g+rx /home
[23:57] <charlie-tca> sudo chmod o+rx /home
[23:58] <charlie-tca> It was rwx------- right?
[23:59] <Shmeck> charlie-tca, could you translate those last lines to english please?, i only understood some:
[23:59] <charlie-tca> sudo is use root, chmod is change the permissions, u=user g=group o=other
[23:59] <Shmeck> from "sudo chmod u+rwx /home" i understood: sudo (as administrator, right?) chmod (unix's chmod)