[14:24] <seisen> When does the documentation for Hardy start?
[14:27] <nixternal> not for a while
[14:28] <nixternal> I would say at a minimum, if a lot of stuff doesn't change and the specs have been approved at UDS, we could probably start working on documentation in 2 months
[14:28] <nixternal> but we tend to wait until the last couple of months, that way there we no stuff won't change drastically...
[14:30] <jjesse> hopefully at UDS Boston I can get a start on things
[14:37] <nixternal> me too :)
[14:37] <nixternal> schoolio time...back later
[14:48] <seisen> I was just wondering so I could help with some of the little stuff
[14:56] <jjesse> seisen: you can start cleanning up th wiki
[14:57] <jjesse> which would be a great help
[14:57] <seisen> I have been cleaning the wiki up but lately I haven't had time
[14:58] <seisen> I know the wiki is a mess, but I do have two days off so maybe I can get some cleaning done this week
[14:59] <jjesse> cool good luck
[15:00] <seisen> I think some of the pages might just need the category cleanup tags removed because they have been cleaned up but the tags not removed
[15:04] <jjesse> wouldn't be suprised if that was all it took
[15:05] <seisen> some of them do need cleaned up like the one's for beryl because the repository are no longer available
[15:06] <seisen> then some are just a mess
[15:35] <billycina> hi there
[15:35] <jjesse_> hello
[15:35] <billycina> anybody know about new dtd requirements from  Gutsy
[15:35] <billycina> ie as of gutsy?
[15:35] <billycina> new version of docbook it seems
[15:36] <jjesse_> so the dtd that all the docs are getting is wrong/
[15:36] <billycina> yes
[15:36] <jjesse_> intersteing was not awaare of that
[15:37] <billycina> it's a real pain
[15:37] <jjesse_> so all the docs don't lookright?
[15:37] <billycina> errors all over the shop
[15:37] <jjesse_> grumble grumble
[15:37] <billycina> they can't 'make'
[15:37] <jjesse_> are they built correctly on a gutsy install?
[15:37]  * jjesse_ is at work and not on a gutsy box right now
[15:37] <billycina> they were built on feisty
[15:37] <billycina> and now we are reviewing on gutsy
[15:38] <billycina> and the doc are just not happy
[15:38] <jjesse_> that sucks
[15:38] <billycina>  i know
[15:38] <billycina> any solution you can think of?
[15:39] <jjesse_> not off the top of my head
[15:39] <billycina> any idea where i can look?
[15:40] <jjesse_> umm give me a bit to think
[15:40] <billycina> k - thanks
[15:41] <jjesse_> just to make sure i understand if i run the validate.sh script in the docteam svn it will give a ton of errors?
[15:46] <billycina> sounds about right - yes
[15:46] <billycina> you guys must use a different way of checking
[15:46] <billycina> i'm using bluefish
[15:47] <jjesse_> whenever i need to validate my docbook files i run the script that is in trunk
[15:47] <jjesse_> validate.sh
[15:47] <billycina> i think we are doing the same but in different means
[15:49] <popey> :(
[15:49] <billycina> popey: this is very annoying
[20:57] <TeTeT> jjesse_: I'll take a look at it
[22:25] <TeTeT> jjesse: after commenting out some, but not all <figure>s it compiles again
[22:31] <mdke> what's the error from validate.sh? The dtd in our documents hasn't changed, so upgrading to gutsy shouldn't change anything
[22:32] <mdke> I haven't seen any errors with making or validating
[22:35] <mdke> TeTeT: still around?
[22:35] <TeTeT> mdke: yes, I'm there, sorry
[22:35] <mdke> nothing to be sorry for :)
[22:35] <TeTeT> mdke: the validate.sh points to a number of issues
[22:36] <mdke> all documents?
[22:36] <TeTeT> mdke: one with use of para inside of screen, the other on figure
[22:36] <TeTeT> mdke: yep, maybe dblatex became more rigorous in 7.10
[22:36] <TeTeT> e.g. on feisty it builds, on gutsy it stops
[22:37] <mdke> TeTeT: can you give me an example of a document which gives the error with validate.sh?
[22:37] <mdke> i can't see any
[22:37] <TeTeT> mdke: I'm writing about the training course - basically none of the training documents validates ...
[22:38] <mdke> oh. The discussion above with jjesse seems to have been on the understanding that you were talking about our documents...
[22:39] <mdke> I suppose it's possible that your training documents use a different dtd declaration to ours...
[22:39] <TeTeT> mdke: nope, I was referring to the one with billycina
[22:39] <TeTeT> mdke: I hope not :)
[22:39] <mdke> 15:41:52 < jjesse_> just to make sure i understand if i run the validate.sh script in the docteam svn it will give a ton of errors?
[22:39] <mdke> 15:46:15 < billycina> sounds about right - yes
[22:39] <mdke> perhaps I misunderstood. So the dtd declaration is identical?
[22:40] <mdke> (to our documents)
[22:40] <TeTeT> mdke: seems we're using version 4.2 instead of 4.1.2
[22:40] <mdke> right
[22:41] <mdke> even so, shouldn't be radically different
[22:41] <TeTeT> yep
[22:42] <mdke> how were the documents created originally?
[22:42] <mdke> can I have a look at one?
[22:42] <TeTeT> mdke: sure, it's all on launchpad
[22:42] <TeTeT> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~canonical-training/ubuntu-desktop-course/ubuntu-desktop-course-beta
[22:43] <TeTeT> mdke: we've advised our training partner to use the doc teams docbook tags and stay with this
[22:43] <TeTeT> mdke: unfortunately it's a rough ride for everybody involved
[22:43] <mdke> I wonder if the documents were created using a program or something which has made a mistake
[22:43] <TeTeT> e.g. in concern to content as well as xml
[22:43] <TeTeT> I'm pretty sure they have a human editing them, working from a template
[22:44] <TeTeT> I'm also pretty sure that the human editor is unaware of 'validation' or xmllint or anythinbg
[22:45] <mdke> I see.
[22:45] <mdke> we seem to use 4.3 in our documents
[22:45] <mdke> https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/ubuntu/internet/C/internet.xml
[22:46] <TeTeT> ok
[22:47] <TeTeT> grep -rh DOCTYPE * | sort | uniq
[22:47] <mdke> i wonder if there is a bug in the gutsy declaration of 4.2. Try 4.3
[22:47] <TeTeT> ok, most are 4.3
[22:48] <TeTeT> mdke: no change
[22:49] <mdke> perhaps the documents are just invalid
[22:49] <mdke> maybe they built on feisty notwithstanding the errors?
[22:49] <TeTeT> mdke: seems so
[22:49] <mdke> you're not using xsltproc?
[22:50] <TeTeT> mdke: I tend to agree, the docs were bad from the start and now gutsy has something more strict
[22:50] <TeTeT> mdke: we use xsltproc for the html and dblatex for PDF
[22:50] <TeTeT> http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~canonical-training/ubuntu-desktop-course/ubuntu-desktop-course-beta/annotate/training%40canonical.com-20071022180423-h3gwq5lotyxdvwgz?file_id=makefile-20070927154211-pp53f1hz3isw2jtg-1
[22:51] <TeTeT> mdke: I'll probably take a look at the generated tex and see if I find the prob
[22:51] <mdke> yes, was just looking at that, sorry
[22:51] <mdke> xsltproc works?
[22:51] <TeTeT> anyway, need to call it a day, otherwise I'll have someone unhappy at home
[22:51] <TeTeT> mdke: yes, the HTML is there
[22:51] <mdke> ah, ok. blame dblatex definitely then
[22:52] <mdke> good night
[22:52] <TeTeT> mdke: will do :)
[22:52] <TeTeT> bye, and thanks!


[08:44] <mhr3__> davidcalle, pls don't push directly to videos, everything should have mp, so the bots do their jobs
[08:46] <davidcalle> mhr3__, oh ok
[08:56] <Mirv> tjaalton: GL on quantal? to be precise, normal GL is always used on x86, it's just that the commands used are compatible with GLES now
[08:56] <Mirv> but the previous code paths have been removed
[08:57] <tjaalton> ok
[09:23] <quequotion> Hello!
[09:24] <quequotion> Anyone available to help squash a bug?
[09:33] <quequotion> I'd like to see bug 1025535 fixed before quantal's release.
[09:35] <quequotion> i don't know what's going on in the code exactly, but making the cube transparent seems to convince unity that it should always be visible.
[11:21] <srVed> hi guys :D
[11:22] <srVed> (I am a noob first-time user of this IRC thingy)
[11:23] <srVed> I am developing a few small and simple programs using M$ Visual Studio 2010 (Making sure they are compatible with Mono), and I#d like to know if there is an AppIndicator plugin for visual studio, so I can add a 'proper' application indicator for my program to Unity's panel?
[11:27] <srVed> ... nice long list of people on here and no-one is chatting? ... is this not an instant messenger type thingy?
[11:28] <popey> hi srVed
[11:28] <popey> people are busy I guess
[11:28] <popey> or they don't know the answer to your question, or both
[11:28] <srVed> thats cool :)
[11:28] <Klap-in> and some are on different time zones
[11:28] <srVed> nice to know this is working..lol
[11:29] <Klap-in> :)
[11:29] <srVed> is this the correct place to ask my unity-developer-related question?
[11:30] <romario333_> I think you should have a look at documentation on app indicators here: http://unity.ubuntu.com/projects/appindicators/
[11:31] <srVed> I did m8 - no links to plugins that I could find... just source-code examples of how to use it :/
[11:32] <srVed> I dont mind if there is no Visual Studio plugin.. I can always continue with whitelist ["all"]...lol but that aint good for the 'normal user'
[11:38] <srVed> tell you what guys, I'll lob up the question on http://askubuntu.com :)
[11:38] <srVed> cheers for the replies :D bye
[11:38] <Klap-in> https://launchpad.net/hello-unity
[14:50] <quequotion> hello
[14:54] <popey> hi quequotion
[14:55] <quequotion> i'm looking for help with bug 1025535
[15:03] <popey> quequotion, are people able to reproduce that with unity from the repo, not just backported packages?
[15:04] <quequotion> I can reproduce that with every version of unity
[15:04] <quequotion> Some more easily than others
[15:10] <quequotion> I've downgraded and upgraded a few times, to check if the issue is the same in quantal's unity/compiz as it is in precise's.
[15:13] <quequotion> I'd noticed how cube opacity had odd effects before, as commented in bug 734908, comment #70, but there were too many other glitches going on to know what I was looking at.
[15:17] <quequotion> also, the packages I've installed aren't actually backported. I've installed compiz and unity from the quantal repo, along with their necessary dependencies.
[15:27] <quequotion> any thoughts?
[15:51] <davidcalle> JohnLea, ping
[15:52] <davidcalle> JohnLea, when you have a the time, could you please have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-photos/+bug/1049090 ? It's an OEM priority regarding the Photos lens hotkey.
[16:01] <davidcalle> om26er, ping
[16:27] <om26er> davidcalle, hey!
[16:28] <davidcalle> om26er, hey :)
[16:28] <davidcalle> om26er, do you know when the next Unity release is supposed to happen? (with the unity-asset-pool changes)
[16:28] <om26er> davidcalle, it should be something next week
[16:29] <om26er> before thursday/ on thursday
[16:29] <om26er> since that's the beta-2 freeze day
[16:30] <davidcalle> om26er, ok. I'm wondering if I do my photos lens release now or later, since it needs some icons from the new unity-asset-pool... Meh, nevermind, I'll wait :)
[16:31] <davidcalle> Thanks!
[16:33] <om26er> yw :)


[15:23] <trappist> irc is for losers
[15:23] <NoRoI> i dunno about that...
[15:23] <jussi01> NoRoI: can we help you?
[15:24] <NoRoI> yeah i need help
[15:24] <NoRoI> In Ubuntu
[15:24]  * jussi01 slaps trappist's hand, naughty!
[15:24] <NoRoI> 8.04
[15:24] <trappist> jussi01: you're right :/
[15:24] <NoRoI> I cannot run video files
[15:24] <jussi01> NoRoI: ubuntu or kubunut
[15:24] <NoRoI> kubuntu sorry
[15:24] <jussi01> NoRoI: let me guess wmv files?
[15:25] <NoRoI> all type of video format files
[15:25] <jussi01> NoRoI: you know how to install things?
[15:25] <NoRoI> hmm yeah
[15:25] <jussi01> NoRoI: install the kubuntu-restricted-extras package
[15:25] <NoRoI> I had installed the win32 codecs also
[15:25] <NoRoI> hmm
[15:26] <NoRoI> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:26] <NoRoI> that's it right
[15:26] <jussi01> correct, although I prefer aptitude
[15:26] <NoRoI> hmm
[15:26] <jussi01> just change apt-get and aptitude
[15:26] <NoRoI> aptitude instead of apt-get
[15:26] <jussi01> :)
[15:26] <NoRoI> hmm
[15:27] <NoRoI> then anymore settings needed
[15:27] <NoRoI> I am a newbie to linux so asking...
[15:27] <NoRoI> Sorry if i am a bother
[15:27] <jussi01> shouldnt be
[15:27] <NoRoI> ok
[15:28] <jussi01> NoRoI: that package also gives you flash and mp3 etc
[15:28] <NoRoI> oh
[15:29] <NoRoI> cool
[15:29] <NoRoI> about the internet configs
[15:29] <trappist> ya know, I hope all these openoffice updates are more important than they look.  downloading 100+MB of updates every coupla days is getting obnoxious.
[15:29] <NoRoI> Sometimes it connects and sometimes it doesn't
[15:30] <NoRoI> even the pon dsl-provider command doesn't work
[15:32] <jussi01> NoRoI: Im sorry, I dont have an answer to that problem. hopefully someone else can help.
[15:32] <NoRoI> ok
[15:32] <jussi01> NoRoI: remember everyone here is a volunteer
[15:32] <NoRoI> Thanks man for the video files problem
[15:32] <NoRoI> volunteer for??/
[15:33] <jussi01> NoRoI: Helping people with their problems
[15:33] <NoRoI> yeah i will try my best to contribute too
[15:34] <Dr_willis> i wonder if im the only one that often removes openoffice..  since i rarely use it and i dont want to have the huge updates.
[15:38] <jagggy> hey, where does kde save his menu's ? (the start menu is the one i'm looking for)
[15:38] <nitin> Dr_willis: in openoffice is there something like alt+ (say 0197) and it displays certain character like winword?
[15:39] <Dr_willis> nitin,  no idea. Only thing i ever use openoffice is the spread sheet. and i rarely use that.
[15:39] <NoRoI> Is it required to install opengl drivers for 3D desktop effects?
[15:39] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. someone wish to check http://www.700wlw.com/main.html and see if the 'listen live' link works for them under linux?  They suggest using the mozilla-mplayer plugin (which i have installed) but its not working for me.
[15:40] <NoRoI> because i am not able to activate the desktop effects
[15:40] <Dr_willis> NoRoI,  OpenGl drivers? Hmm.. i dont recall ever installing such a thing.
[15:40] <Dr_willis> I do install the 3d drivers for my Video card. if thats what you mean.
[15:40] <NoRoI> yeah more or less that's what i mean
[15:41] <NoRoI> But the main point is my desktop effects ain't getting activated
[15:42] <Dr_willis> You need the actual 3d drivers for your video card , then  you can try 'compiz --replace' in a terminal and look for error messages
[15:42] <NoRoI> well its inbuilt
[15:43] <NoRoI> N the cd setup won't work in kubuntu
[15:43] <EagleScreen> ple a channel to talk about Intrepid features?
[15:43] <NoRoI> So i dunno what to do @ Willis
[15:43] <Dr_willis> whats 'inbuilt' ?
[15:43] <Jucato> EagleScreen: #ubuntu+1
[15:43] <EagleScreen> thanks
[15:43] <Jucato> Dr_willis: builtin
[15:43] <Jucato> or built-in
[15:44] <NoRoI> built in
[15:44] <Dr_willis> NoRoI,  that dosent mean you dont have to install drivers for it...
[15:44] <EagleScreen> there isnt #kununtu+1 ?
[15:44] <NoRoI> yeah
[15:44] <NoRoI> But
[15:44] <Dr_willis> I have onboard nvidia, and onboard intel, and onboard ati... and so on..
[15:44] <jagggy> anyone?
[15:44] <NoRoI> I don't know where to get the drivers from?
[15:44] <Dr_willis> NoRoI,  #1  - determine what chipset the card is..
[15:44] <NoRoI> hmm i am a newbie
[15:45] <NoRoI> nvidia nforce
[15:45] <Dr_willis> most all the 3d drivers are installable with the hardware-driver tool.
[15:45] <Dr_willis> !nvidia
[15:45] <NoRoI> ok
[15:45] <jagggy> where does kde save his menu's ? (the start menu is the one i'm looking for)
[15:45] <Dr_willis> kde generates the menu from the various .desktop files
[15:45] <Jucato> jagggy: there is no single place ala Windows, if that's what you're looking for
[15:46] <Dr_willis> user changes to the menus are saved in the users .kde dir I belive.. or somewhere in their home.
[15:46] <jagggy> Dr_willis and what about the menu that pops up when you click the K in the left down corner?
[15:46] <Jucato> it's a combination of .desktop files per item (as Dr_willis mentioned) and XML files that determine the general structure/category
[15:46] <Dr_willis> jagggy,  what other menu are you talking about?  thats the only one i know of. :)  and thats the one i was talking about
[15:46] <Jucato> it (basically, or tries to) follows FreeDesktop.org standards
[15:47] <jagggy> ok :p
[15:47] <Dr_willis> Yea. Freedesktop.org is doing some good work in this area.
[15:47] <Dr_willis> and other areas.
[15:47] <Jucato> jagggy: it's a bit more complicated if you come from Windows, but it's more flexible and powerful in the long run (and works across desktops)
[15:47] <NoRoI> so what do i do for the 3D drivers?
[15:48] <jagggy> Jucato i don't come from windows, i come from fluxbox xD
[15:48] <Jucato> ah well, I heard fluxbox didn't comply :P
[15:48] <Jucato> (j/k... I heard nothing)
[15:50] <NoRoI> anymore IRC channels??
[15:50] <Jucato> (patience would help :)
[15:51] <NoRoI> i am just asking
[15:51] <NoRoI> This is my first time here also :D
[15:52] <Dr_willis> Memo to self.. rember plug in laptop when using it at home.. :)
[15:54] <Jucato> Dr_willis: I learned that too while deeply engaged in a game :)
[15:54] <Jucato> NoRoI: what video card? Have you checked K Menu -> Settings (or is it System?) -> Restricted Drivers (or something...)?
[15:55] <NoRoI> well
[15:55] <NoRoI> was installing that
[15:55] <NoRoI> Now i will check it
[15:57] <NoRoI> hey
[15:57] <NoRoI> What is the command for uninstalling an application??
[15:58] <Jucato> sudo apt-get remove <package_name>
[16:00] <NoRoI> i did the sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[16:00] <Jucato> NoRoI: um.. that's not for drivers....
[16:00] <NoRoI> but i don seem to find the restricted extras in system
[16:00] <Jucato> that's for codecs and plugins.. nothing to do with hardware
[16:01] <hyakuhei> Hi all, I currently have a LUKS/LVM ubuntu install. Is there a way to make the installer see this properly so I can format/install kubuntu into the current lvm '/' root without clobbering all of my other files ?
[16:01] <butchoy> how can I add another panel?...
[16:02] <NoRoI> what's for the drivers then?
[16:03] <Jucato> NoRoI: K Menu -> System -> Restricted Drivers (or something like that)
[16:03] <Jucato> it's already installed by default
[16:03] <NoRoI> nope not there
[16:03] <NoRoI> Well
[16:03] <Jucato> K Menu -> Settings?
[16:03] <Jucato> what version of Kubuntu?
[16:04] <NoRoI> hmm
[16:04] <NoRoI> i had Ubuntu 8.04
[16:04] <Jucato> hm..
[16:04] <Jucato> do you have a K Menu -> Settings menu?
[16:07] <NoRoI> Had
[16:07] <NoRoI> yeah i have
[16:07] <butchoy_> how can I add a new pane?...
[16:07] <butchoy_> sorry if my question is repeated..
[16:07] <NoRoI> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras lol din for codecs either
[16:07] <NoRoI> Still video files do run
[16:08] <butchoy_> so i need to be a sudoer?...
[16:08] <jon__> hi i am on kubuntu hardy heron aand i have an audio problem
[16:08] <jon__> i cannot record sounds on my mic input
[16:08] <Jucato> NoRoI: sorry.. K Menu -> System -> Hardware Drivers Manager
[16:08] <jon__> it sounds on the speakers but does not record in apps like krecord
[16:08] <NoRoI> nothing is there in that
[16:08] <NoRoI> @jucato
[16:09] <Jucato> NoRoI: I said "Restricted Drivers" earlier. wrong name
[16:10] <NoRoI> yeah
[16:10] <NoRoI> well i don have anything in the hardware Drivers manager either
[16:11] <Jucato> it was supposed to be Hardware Drivers Manager.. if it's not there, can you please check if jockey-kde is installed
[16:11] <alfred> hallo
[16:12] <NoRoI> its there
[16:12] <NoRoI> But within that nothings present
[16:12] <Jucato> ah
[16:12] <alfred> hello i am a german boy
[16:12] <Jucato> NoRoI: btw, you haven't answered what video card you have
[16:12] <NoRoI> video card
[16:13] <Jucato> NoRoI: what video card? what brand/model?
[16:13] <NoRoI> its builtin
[16:13] <Jucato> Intel?
[16:13] <NoRoI> Asus
[16:13] <Jucato> oh...
[16:13] <Jucato> hm.. I don't think there's a driver with 3d acceleration for that...
[16:14] <NoRoI> hmmmmm
[16:14] <Jucato> what is the output of "glxinfo | grep render"?
[16:14] <Jucato> (run that in Konsole)
[16:15] <NoRoI> direct rendering: Yes
[16:15] <NoRoI> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI UniChrome 20060710 x86/MMX+/3DNow!+/SSE2
[16:15] <NoRoI> 0000:   f0000001  00000300  f0000006  00000001
[16:15] <NoRoI> 0010:   f000000b  00000000  f000000c  00180200
[16:15] <Jucato> ah, it's using software rendering
[16:15] <NoRoI> 0020:   f000000d  00180200  f000000e  80200020
[16:15] <Jucato> um...
[16:15] <NoRoI> 0030:   f0000002  00000000  f0000003  00000000
[16:15] <Jucato> you don't have to paste everything!
[16:15] <NoRoI> 0040:   f0000004  00000000  f0000000  f0002001
[16:15] <NoRoI> 0050:   f000000b  00000000  f210f110  00010000
[16:15] <NoRoI> 0060:   cccccccc  cccccccc  cccccccc  cccccccc
[16:15] <NoRoI> 0070:   cccccccc  cccccccc  cccccccc  cccccccc
[16:15] <NoRoI> ******************************************
[16:15] <NoRoI> fire_buffer: DRM_VIA_PCICMD returned -22
[16:15] <NoRoI> this is the output
[16:16] <NoRoI> sorry for that
[16:16] <Jucato> next time, don't paste *everything* in here :/
[16:16] <Pici> use a !pastebin next time
[16:16] <NoRoI> So temme the solution ???
[16:16] <jon__> anyone can help i cannot record mic in
[16:16] <Jucato> NoRoI: it's using software rendering, except that.. it's a unichrome... I don't think desktop effects wil work with that...
[16:17] <NoRoI> hmmm
[16:17]  * Jucato is not sure about the video card...
[16:17] <NoRoI> how do it to work with the hardware?
[16:18] <Jucato> well, you just have basic funtionality.. no fancy effects as far as I know
[16:24] <NoRoI> jucato
[16:30] <llutz> Moin
[16:31] <jon__>  hi all!, i cannot record my mic input using any software runnig hardy kubuntu i have tried jack but no avail. the mic input sound can be heard on the speaker, also audacity doesnt even detect the mic, inbuilt soundcard
[16:32] <Dr_willis> !mic
[16:32] <Dr_willis> :(
[16:32] <jon__> Dr_willis mic as in microphone
[16:32] <jon__> ubottu mic as in microphone
[16:32] <Dr_willis> :)
[16:32] <Dr_willis> !microphone
[16:33] <Dr_willis> !record
[16:33] <Dr_willis> Sorry  - i cant even find a factoid on it.
[16:33] <TheKiNG> Is anybody there?
[16:33] <Dr_willis> TheKiNG,  Lots of us
[16:33] <TheKiNG> lol.
[16:33] <TheKiNG> can you help me?
[16:34] <Jucato> !anybody
[16:34] <TheKiNG> lol.
[16:34] <TheKiNG> k.
[16:34] <TheKiNG> well...i tried to install kubuntu
[16:34] <TheKiNG> and... it never shows up
[16:34] <ernesto> hey..
[16:34] <TheKiNG> KDE never shows up at all
[16:34] <TheKiNG> most of the time the loader stops at Loading local scripts
[16:35] <TheKiNG> right now, its just a black screen
[16:35] <Dr_willis> loading local scripts is the last thing the init system does.. X should of started befor that.
[16:35] <Dr_willis>  do you see a LOGIN: prompt?
[16:36] <TheKiNG> nope.
[16:36] <TheKiNG> it stops right there.
[16:36] <Dr_willis> thats weird. What version of Kubuntu was this? hardy/8.4 ?
[16:36] <TheKiNG> yup.
[16:37] <ernesto> -new icq version? pidgin does not work... ... somehow
[16:37] <Dr_willis> laptop/desktop? what video card?
[16:37] <TheKiNG> desktop
[16:37] <TheKiNG> S3 Video card.
[16:37] <Dr_willis> s3? ICK ICK ICK>>>>> :)
[16:37] <crator>       can anyone tell me how to reset my audio system in kubuntu?
[16:37] <TheKiNG> but the point is is that my other kubuntu versions work
[16:38] <Dr_willis> I see quite a few people with S3's and problems in here eveyr week..  not sure of the proper way to fix them either.
[16:38] <TheKiNG> ...........................
[16:38] <Dr_willis> the older kubuntu works eh? now thats interesting.
[16:38] <TheKiNG> yeah
[16:38] <TheKiNG> 7.04 worked fantastic.
[16:38] <Dr_willis> You may want to try disabling the framebuffer  console from the boot menu, and  use 'nosplash' so you can see any error messages.
[16:39] <TheKiNG> k.
[16:39] <Dr_willis> at least that way you can hopefully get to the console, and see a login, and any error messages.
[16:40] <Dr_willis> You could try alt-ctrl-f1 now - and see if its a black screenbecause its on tty7 and showing a dead X :)
[16:40] <ernesto> anybody out there knowing something about the icq problem ?
[16:40] <TheKiNG> k.
[16:43] <TheKiNG> Dr_willis: its in the terminal
[16:43] <TheKiNG> it wont start X
[16:43] <Dr_willis> ernesto,  you might want to check the forum.
[16:43] <Dr_willis> TheKiNG,  At least you can begin troubleshooting now.
[16:43] <TheKiNG> i dont know how to disable framebuffer.
[16:44] <Dr_willis> TheKiNG,  I edit my /boot/grub/menu.lst to make the 'nofb' option the default
[16:44] <TheKiNG> k
[16:44] <ernesto> ... i will thx
[16:44] <ernesto> but which forum :P ?
[16:45] <Dr_willis> # defoptions=quiet splash --> becomes    # defoptions= nosplash nofb
[16:45] <Dr_willis> for most of my needs. :)
[16:45] <TheKiNG> k.
[16:46] <Dr_willis> then rerun 'sudo update-grub' after changing the file. that way nosplash/nofb is the default for all kernels. :) just in case..
[16:46] <Dr_willis> You can reneable it later.
[16:46] <Dr_willis> so if you got a login: then you can login, and try 'startx' to see what sort of error messages you may get
[16:46] <TheKiNG> i got nothing
[16:47] <Dr_willis> No messages/information at all? startx does what ? just returns?
[16:47] <TheKiNG> yeah
[16:47] <TheKiNG> hold on
[16:48] <TheKiNG> screens found but none has a usable config
[16:48] <Dr_willis> sounds like the x config is confused. Been seeing that a lot under the latest release. :(
[16:49] <Dr_willis> You could try -> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[16:49] <Dr_willis>
[16:49] <Dr_willis> it might make a better config for you
[16:49] <TheKiNG> k
[16:50] <Dr_willis> I often cheat and have my old X configs archived. :) on a few box's ive taken the older ubuntu x configs and copied them to hardy.
[16:50] <TheKiNG> nice
[16:50] <Dr_willis> The newer X stuff tries to do a 'keep xorg.conf minimal, and auto configure as needed' mentality.. and it has issues at times
[16:51] <TheKiNG> no
[16:51] <TheKiNG> pe
[16:51] <TheKiNG> *nope
[16:51] <TheKiNG> still the same errors.
[16:52] <Dr_willis> You may want to check the forums for any other s3 users and what they may of done.
[16:52] <TheKiNG> k
[16:52] <Dr_willis> I got mad at one problem box..and deleted (renamed) my xorg.conf so i dident even have one.. then just tried 'startx' and it worked.. :)
[16:53] <Dr_willis> x totally auto-configed that time.
[16:53] <Dr_willis> totally suprised me.
[16:55] <TheKiNG> well..there is a fix
[16:55] <TheKiNG> but... i cant get it
[16:56] <TheKiNG> because it wont work
[16:56] <TheKiNG> (on the CD)
[16:56] <Dr_willis> You may want to try installing with the alternative cd. if you cant get the live cd working.
[16:56] <Coggz> hi all, i have a major problem with tzdata package...
[16:58] <Dr_willis> well good luck. Bed time for me
[16:59] <sigma_12> whats so good with ext4 compared to ext3?
[16:59] <muesli> higher number
[16:59] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[16:59] <sigma_12> gee i would think so
[16:59] <ActionParsnip> real quick question
[17:00] <ActionParsnip> Ive paired my phone with bluetooth
[17:00] <muesli> sigma_12: http://www.linuxinsight.com/first_benchmarks_of_the_ext4_file_system.html
[17:00] <muesli> http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page
[17:01] <ActionParsnip> if i change its mode from connectable to discoverable will it still comuniocate with my phone but block all other connections??
[17:01] <Coggz> tzdata: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10
[17:01] <Coggz> what do i do
[17:05]  * eduardopl is away: Gone away for now.
[17:05]  * eduardopl is back.
[17:05] <jussi01> !away > eduardopl
[17:05] <sub[t]rnl> Coggz➜ are you installing with apt?
[17:06] <Coggz> yes
[17:07] <Coggz> tried apt-get, aptitude and synaptic
[17:08] <sub[t]rnl> have you tried to --reinstall with apt?
[17:08] <Coggz> yes
[17:08] <Coggz> all make that error
[17:08] <Coggz> tzdata: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10
[17:10] <sub[t]rnl> does the shell script send the error when you try to remove the package?
[17:11] <timri> I want to file a bug, so I type "bug" in the searchbox on Ubuntu.com, but I am redirected to the "Employment" page, with a list of available jobs. So now I want to file two bugs. Question: where?
[17:12] <sub[t]rnl> lol
[17:12] <Coggz> yep
[17:12] <sub[t]rnl> !bug
[17:12] <timri> sub[t]rnl: Thx
[17:13] <NoRoI> anyone here tell me how to solve video problem inkubuntu
[17:13] <NoRoI> I cannot view video files...
[17:13] <sub[t]rnl> Coggz➜ show me 	cat /var/lib/dpkg/info tzdata.postinst |head -n 1
[17:14] <NoRoI> ne1
[17:15] <timri> "Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad. We’ve recorded what happened, and we’ll fix it as soon as possible."... must be my lucky day :)
[17:18] <boggystudios> After installing the nvidia drivers and turning off my computer for the night I wake up and the screen resolution is set to 640x480, any ideas why?  It was working fine to begin with.
[17:19] <timri> boggystudios: Had the same pb here (geforce 6150 + old IBM G41 monitor), needed to edit xorg.conf manually
[17:19] <NoRoI> I have a problem viewing video files
[17:19] <NoRoI> any solution to it????
[17:20] <Coggz> sub[t]rnl:
[17:20] <Coggz> cat: /var/lib/dpkg/info: Is a directory
[17:20] <Coggz> cat: tzdata.postinst: No such file or directory
[17:20] <timri> NoRol: Could you be more specific
[17:20] <NoRoI> i did sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[17:20] <NoRoI> But no use
[17:20] <sub[t]rnl> Coggz➜ sorry, cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/tzdata.postinst |head -n 1
[17:20] <boggystudios> NoRol: I will try that.
[17:20] <NoRoI> I cannot view any .avi or .wmv or .mpg
[17:20] <timri> NoRoI: What player are you using?
[17:21] <jussi01> !pm > NoRoI
[17:21] <NoRoI> tried it on all available players
[17:21] <Coggz> sub[t]rnl: #! /bin/sh
[17:21] <jussi01> NoRoI: what is the error message?
[17:21] <NoRoI> oh sorry ubottu
[17:21] <NoRoI> Its my first time here so din't know the rules
[17:21] <jussi01> ubottu is a bot
[17:21] <NoRoI> I will keep that in mind
[17:22] <sub[t]rnl> Coggz➜ odd, try removing the tzdata files in that directory then removing the package then.
[17:22] <NoRoI> hmm
[17:22] <NoRoI> If its a .mpg file
[17:22] <NoRoI> Then it says no proper codec or something like that
[17:22] <NoRoI> N if its .avi,.wmv
[17:23] <jussi01> NoRoI: and you are sure the kubuntu restricted extras package installed correctly?
[17:23] <sub[t]rnl> Coggz➜ rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/tzdata* && sudo apt-get --purge remove tzdata
[17:23] <NoRoI> then the video is run with a tria type colouring and the mouse moves in frames
[17:23] <NoRoI> I did what u told
[17:24] <NoRoI> N it did install with sudo aptitude install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[17:25] <maltedik> may i be the only one whos icq-protocol in kopete went down (7.10)?
[17:25] <NoRoI> !pm
[17:25] <NoRoI> oh
[17:26] <NoRoI> any solutions @ jussi
[17:27] <jussi01> NoRoI: please just try this command again  sudo aptitude install kubuntu-resticted-extras      - to make sure everything went right. if it is already installed it will say no packages to install (or something similar)
[17:28] <NoRoI> helllo
[17:28] <jussi01> NoRoI: patience!
[17:28] <jussi01> !tab | NoRoI
[17:29] <Coggz> sub[t]rnl:
[17:29] <Coggz> You are about to do something potentially harmful
[17:29] <Coggz> To continue type in the phrase ‘Yes, do as I say!’
[17:29] <NoRoI> it says 0 packages installed
[17:30] <NoRoI> means all packages were properly installed
[17:30] <Coggz> The following packages will be REMOVED
[17:30] <Coggz>   language-pack-en* language-pack-en-base* language-pack-kde-en*
[17:30] <Coggz>   language-pack-kde-en-base* locales* sun-java6-bin* sun-java6-jre*
[17:30] <Coggz>   sun-java6-plugin* tzdata* ubuntu-minimal* util-linux* util-linux-locales*
[17:31] <Coggz> any idea???
[17:31] <sub[t]rnl> yeah, don't do that
[17:32] <Coggz> seriously not cool, i presume
[17:32] <sub[t]rnl> try reinstalling the tzdata package now that you've remove the problem scripts from /var/lib/dpkg/info
[17:32] <Coggz> ok, ill try
[17:33] <jussi01> NoRoI: hrm, which graphics card do you have and which driver are you using?
[17:33] <NoRoI> well my graphic support is builtin
[17:34] <NoRoI> I am using an Asus BOard
[17:34] <jussi01> NoRoI: please go to terminal and type lspci
[17:34] <Coggz> sub[t]rnl:  unfortunately, my pc is running as the same speed as a snail on weed, so it is taking ages to do anything
[17:34] <jussi01> then look for the graphics card and tell me what it is :)
[17:34] <sub[t]rnl> Coggz➜ hehe, not a problem
[17:37] <Coggz> sub[t]rnl: it is for me, i typed in the reinstall command, and nil
[17:37] <sub[t]rnl> still giving error status 10?
[17:38] <NoRoI> Via technologies
[17:38] <lakis1982> hi .. i have installed java on my kubuntu but when i open firefox and i go into a site with java applet it shows me a message saying missing plugins required .... why ???
[17:39] <lakis1982> with konqueror sites with java applets open with no problem
[17:39] <jussi01> NoRoI: please give me the whole line (just 1 line)
[17:39] <NoRoI> there are so many lines
[17:40] <NoRoI> VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M890 [Chrome9] Integrated Video
[17:40] <jussi01> NoRoI: I mean the one pertaining to your gfx card
[17:40] <jussi01> NoRoI: ahhh
[17:41] <NoRoI> what do i do?
[17:41] <jussi01> NoRoI: have you installed the restricted driver?
[17:41] <jussi01> !ati | NoRoI
[17:41] <jussi01> NoRoI: there is a how to there
[17:41] <alexei> Hi, all! What is wrong with QT font handling here: http://imagebin.org/21832. How do I fix it? KDE fonts are displayed all right. I inhereted home directory with rc-files from SuSE.
[17:42] <Coggz> yes, exactly the same as before sub[t]rnl
[17:43] <sub[t]rnl> Coggz➜ ugh, not sure.  is dpkg complaining about dependencies?
[17:44] <Coggz> Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[17:44] <sub[t]rnl> Coggz➜ try using -f with apt-get to install/remove the package..  gotta run for a bit
[17:45] <Coggz> thanks for teh help
[17:45] <sub[t]rnl> Coggz➜ found something on launchpad, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tzdata/+bug/151449
[17:45] <sub[t]rnl> think theres a solution at the bottom
[17:46] <sub[t]rnl> try installing util-linux (if it isn't) and have a look at the link
[17:48] <NoRoI> should i use ati or nvidia?@jussi
[17:48] <jussi01> NoRoI: neither - see the via drivers section
[17:48] <Coggz> sub[t]rnl: what would happen if i did remove all those programs that are dependant on tzdata, then reinstalled them?
[17:50] <NoRoI> its for openchrome
[17:50] <NoRoI> Mine is Unichrome i think
[17:50] <nuccio> ciao
[17:51] <Haza1> Afternoon folks. can someone tell how to fix a problem i have with loading the adept program
[17:51] <Haza1> I get the message that another program is being run and i have to close it first
[17:51] <Coggz> do you have synaptic open?
[17:51] <Coggz> or any other package program?
[17:51] <Haza1> Although ive restarted my desktop and this application (that i cannot see) is still running as far as adept is concerned
[17:51] <hannibal> moin leute
[17:51] <Haza1> Coggz: Not that i know of mate
[17:52] <Coggz> there is a lockfile somewhere... i cant remember where, but i think you must delete it then it will work
[17:52] <Haza1> Coggz: So this may be a bug?
[17:52] <NoRoI> hello
[17:52] <jussi01> !aptfix
[17:52] <NoRoI> @jussi
[17:52] <Coggz> or, look in proccess manager and kill apt(synaptic etc..)
[17:53] <jussi01> NoRoI: patience!!
[17:53] <Coggz> thanx jussi01
[17:53] <Haza1> jussio1: That sounds like a complex command. can i ask what it does? :)
[17:53] <Letauro> hi everybody.... I'm from buenos aires.....
[17:53] <timri> alexei: Do you have enableXft=true and useXft=true in your qtrc ?
[17:53] <jussi01> Haza1: removes the lock file then fixes dpkg
[17:54] <Haza1> jussio1: I will take your word for it and give it a shot! :)
[17:54] <Haza1> And that is two seperate sudo commands above right?
[17:54] <jussi01> Haza1: its from the bot so therefore sanctioned by the ops :)
[17:54] <jussi01> no
[17:54] <Coggz> yep,
[17:54] <Haza1> jussio1: Just one long command?
[17:55] <Haza1> sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a    <--
[17:55] <Coggz> yes
[17:55] <jussi01> Haza1: you can run it all at once, th ; seperates them
[17:55] <NoRoI> glxinfo | grep render gives Mesa DRI UniChrome 20060710 x86/MMX+/3DNow!+/SSE2 @ jussi
[17:55] <jussi01> makes things a little easier
[17:55] <Haza1> jussio1: Coggz. Cheers guys. I will give it a shot :)
[17:55] <NoRoI> So openchrome won't work
[17:55] <pc_> l
[17:56] <jussi01> NoRoI: read: http://wiki.openchrome.org/tikiwiki/tiki-index.php?page=The+Different+Unichrome+family+display+drivers
[17:56] <pc_> l
[17:56] <Haza1> jussio1: Coggz. Heheh, looks like adept may have crashed when i was *trying* to instal PostgreSQL
[17:57] <Coggz> aha...
[17:57] <pc_> .
[17:57] <Coggz> always a simple explanation... Haza1
[17:57] <Haza1> jussio1: Coggz: Thats fixed it guys. Thanks a bunch! :)
[17:57] <pc_> .
[17:58] <alexei> timri: yes and yes. I empirically fixed that. My $HOME contained ~/.fonts.conf with ?agressive? AA-settings. I renamed it. No idea why KDE did not respect the same QT settings ...
[17:58] <Coggz> im having 'fun' with apt/dpkg
[17:59] <Haza1> One more question. Any good recommendations for desktop capturing software for Kubuntu? Something lightweight and easy to use?
[18:00] <Coggz> Haza1: i have had lots of probs with desktop capturing...
[18:00] <Haza1> Coggz: Really? :(
[18:01] <Coggz> Haza1: if you find anything please pass it to my email
[18:01] <Haza1> No problems Coggz!
[18:02] <lakis1982> my java in firefox does not start after installing java
[18:02] <lakis1982> but java in konqueror does start normally
[18:03] <Coggz> bye dudes :]
[18:06] <alexei> now fo general education of a former suse user: what is the closes equivalent of "rpm -qf /some/random/file" which tells the package name?
[18:06] <alexei> *for
[18:06] <jussi01> lakis1982: tried installing the kubuntu-restricted-extras package?
[18:06] <llutz> alexei: dpkg -S file
[18:06] <timri> lakis1982: For firefox you also have to install the plugin
[18:07] <lakis1982> i installed kubuntu restricted but it didnt work either\
[18:07] <alexei> llutz: not bad! I thought I will have to live without it! Thanks.
[18:07] <lakis1982> the firefox plugin is installed but it doesnt appear it the plugin list when i write about:plugins in firefox
[18:08] <lakis1982> i have also restarted pc
[18:09] <llutz> alexei: it's a nice life without rpm :)
[18:10] <Hawkeye-X> Greetings
[18:11] <Hawkeye-X> does anyone know how to partition a HD? I want to make room (about 50G's) for Vista for games.
[18:12] <jajbinks> Hawkeye-X the easiest way is to use a software like partition editor or gparted or qtpartede
[18:13] <jajbinks> Hawkeye-X assuming your primary os is linux
[18:13] <Hawkeye-X> ok. partition editor wouldn't let me resize the current size of linux
[18:13] <Hawkeye-X> and qtpartede doesn't work on Kubuntu for some reason, and I can't find gparted
[18:13] <jajbinks> Hawkeye-X if you do it with partitoion editor
[18:13] <Hawkeye-X> on my menu
[18:14] <jajbinks> Hawkeye-X you cannopt resize it because it will erase the disc
[18:14] <timri> alexei: By the way dpkg -S only works for installed files that are in packages (not for stuff created by the postinstall scripts etc.). Also it (obviously) knows nothing about not-installed packages. Use packages.ubuntu.com for those.
[18:15] <Hawkeye-X> ok
[18:15] <Hawkeye-X> so what's my next option?
[18:15] <Sylphid|work> how can i control OSS mixing in KDE?
[18:15] <Hawkeye-X> I mean, if I could find a virtual PC that runs on linux
[18:15] <joe__> hi
[18:15] <Hawkeye-X> I'd run Vista over Linux
[18:15] <joe__> !restricted
[18:15] <timri> Hawkeye-X: http://gparted-livecd.tuxfamily.org/
[18:15] <jajbinks> Hawkeye-X if im not wrong vista has an inbuilt partition editor that resizes without loosing data
[18:16] <Hawkeye-X> k, binks
[18:16] <Hawkeye-X> if it doesn't work I'll kill you :P
[18:16] <Hawkeye-X> brb
[18:18] <Ballena> .
[18:19] <joe__> how do you install firefox?
[18:19] <alexei> Hawkeye-X: I doubt jajbinks meant Vista can resize _linux_ partitions as well... BTW when I was installing Kubuntu the installer offered me to resize and preserve SuSE the partirion!
[18:20] <joe__> !firefox
[18:20] <jajbinks> alexei you are right forgot win cannot recognise ext3 :(
[18:20] <lakis1982> ln: creating symbolic link `./libjavaplugin_oji.so': Permission denied
[18:21] <NoRoI2> jussi
[18:21] <lakis1982> why does it says permission denied
[18:21] <lakis1982> what should i do ?
[18:21] <timri> lakis1982: http://xkcd.com/149/
[18:22] <alexei> jajbinks: he will find that out, the hard way... :-)
[18:22] <NoRoI2> i cannot find drivers for VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M890 [Chrome9] Integrated Video @ jussi
[18:22] <jajbinks> alexei hehe
[18:22] <Sylphid|work> lakis1982, use sudo
[18:23] <lakis1982> should i add sudo in front of the command?
[18:23] <Sylphid|work> yup
[18:24] <rockprincess> lakis1982: having a firefox issue?
[18:24] <NoRoI2> jussi u there
[18:24] <lakis1982> yes
[18:24] <lakis1982> cant start java with firefox
[18:24] <rockprincess> lakis1982: hold on, i'll give you THE perfect link....let me dig it out ;)
[18:24] <lakis1982> ok ythanks
[18:25] <Hawkeye-X> ok
[18:25] <Hawkeye-X> just checked Vista install. no sign of any partition resizer
[18:25] <rockprincess> lakis1982: this will fix your problem ;) http://ubuntusite.com/how-to-make-java-plugin-work-in-firefox-kubuntu-hardy-hero/
[18:25] <Hawkeye-X> All I need to is resize my Linux partition to make space for Vista
[18:25] <alexei> lakis1982: do you see java plugin listed in "about:plugins" ?
[18:26] <lakis1982> no
[18:26] <lakis1982> i cant see it in the list
[18:26] <joe__> how do you change the screen resolution?
[18:26] <Hawkeye-X> All I need to is resize my Linux partition to make space for Vista - can anyone help? even a virtual PC that will load Windows will help
[18:27] <rockprincess> joe__: go into kde > system settings > monitor/screen
[18:27] <timri> Hawkeye-X: I already pointed you at http://gparted-livecd.tuxfamily.org/
[18:28] <timri> NoRoI: OpenChrome9 on linux is pretty much a disaster at the moment. If you are brave, try: http://linux.via.com.tw/support/downloadFiles.action
[18:28] <lakis1982> rockprincess
[18:28] <lakis1982> id did this to create symlink but it does not work
[18:28] <timri> NoRoI: I wont help you with it thoug ;) ....
[18:28] <NoRoI> hmm
[18:28] <alexei> lakis1982:  then trace "libjavaplugin_oji.so", firefox must be able to find it. I dont know more, new in Ubuntu.
[18:28] <rockprincess> lakis1982: what does it say? do you get an error message?
[18:29] <NoRoI> i am looking for VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M890 [Chrome9] Integrated Video @ jussi
[18:29] <lakis1982> no it saYS FILE EXISTS
[18:29] <NoRoI> N i cannot find it
[18:29] <Hawkeye-X> timri: ok will give it a shot
[18:29] <Hawkeye-X> I just had to find a blank DVD, lol
[18:29] <NoRoI> @ timri
[18:29] <rockprincess> lakis1982: i guess you already restarted firefox?
[18:29] <NoRoI> Cannot find it on Via Arena
[18:29] <lakis1982> yes
[18:29] <rockprincess> lakis1982: which version of java did you install?
[18:29] <lakis1982> 6
[18:29] <lakis1982> exactly th same that the site says
[18:29] <joe__> how do we install firefox?
[18:30]  * Hawkeye-X mutters 'damn slow downloads'
[18:30] <rockprincess> lakis1982: what does "java -version" say? without the "
[18:31] <alexei> lakis1982:  you cannot overwrite existing links! Look where the link is pointing by "ls -l linkname". If it is pointing nowhere "rm" it and recreate.
[18:31] <NoRoI> hello
[18:31] <rockprincess> joe__: sudo apt-get install firefox3 or you go into kde > system > adept and install it fromt there
[18:31] <NoRoI> anyone here who can help me?
[18:31] <lakis1982> java version "1.6.0_06"
[18:31] <lakis1982> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_06-b02)
[18:31] <lakis1982> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 10.0-b22, mixed mode, sharing)
[18:31] <jhutchins_wk> Hawkeye-X: One of the exercises of this channel is to avoid using foul language, even by implication or substitution.
[18:31] <NoRoI> i cannot find drivers for VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M890 [Chrome9] Integrated Video
[18:31] <NoRoI> My built in graphic card is unichrome
[18:32] <minhaaj> somebody told me to back up home var and etc to back up
[18:32] <minhaaj> and i am screwed now
[18:32] <minhaaj> i can't get my programs t work
[18:32] <minhaaj> :s
[18:32] <timri> NoRoI: http://linux.via.com.tw/support/beginDownload.action?eleid=2&fid=157
[18:32] <Hawkeye-X> when is "damn" considered foul?
[18:32] <jhutchins_wk> minhaaj: Um, you can't get programs to work because you did a backup?
[18:32] <minhaaj> yep
[18:33] <minhaaj> i have all the programs in my home directory
[18:33] <minhaaj> but they won't work
[18:33] <jhutchins_wk> Hawkeye-X: Yeah, primary, derived from "taking the lord's name in vain".
[18:33] <keith_> Hawkeye-X what are you downloading
[18:33] <joe__> how do we install firefox??
[18:33] <minhaaj> they have shortcuts on desktop but no programs
[18:33] <minhaaj> joe__:  got apt-get and type firefox
[18:33] <Hawkeye-X> keith_: gparted live tux
[18:33] <minhaaj> and instal it
[18:33] <Hawkeye-X> i just remembered that I had a torrent running
[18:33] <jhutchins_wk> joe__: aptitude install firefox
[18:33] <Hawkeye-X> I stopped it, speed went up
[18:33] <Hawkeye-X> 237k
[18:33] <Hawkeye-X> Earlier I was getting 97
[18:34] <minhaaj> any idea i could get my programs to work ?
[18:34] <lakis1982> i made it
[18:34] <lakis1982> thanks a lot
[18:34] <jhutchins_wk> minhaaj: Did you reinstall then restore from backup?  Or did you do a backup that removed what you backed up?
[18:34] <Hawkeye-X> !firefox
[18:34] <dfaure> Xrealvnc segfaults in kubuntu gutsy :((  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vnc/+bug/155672
[18:34] <minhaaj> i tar.gzed the home var and etc directories
[18:34] <minhaaj> and simply pasted the contents in relevant directories in new installation
[18:34] <minhaaj> and it won't work
[18:34] <minhaaj> when i overwrite etc my kubuntu simply crashes
[18:35] <minhaaj> when i paste var it crashes
[18:35] <jhutchins_wk> Yep.
[18:35] <minhaaj> when i rewrite home it would give me my configurations and desktop and programs back
[18:35] <minhaaj> but it won't work
[18:35] <minhaaj> i mean most of them won't work
[18:35] <minhaaj> only kopete, and konversation works
[18:35] <jhutchins_wk> Blanket pasting /etc and /var is pretty much guaranteed to mess up the system.
[18:36] <minhaaj> so how do you do it ?
[18:36] <jhutchins_wk> minhaaj: The only safe thing to restore is /home.
[18:36] <minhaaj> i tried sudo
[18:36] <minhaaj> yea but even that doesnt run my program
[18:36] <jhutchins_wk> I think you're about ready for another reinstall then.
[18:36] <minhaaj> programs
[18:36] <minhaaj> i have reinstalled.
[18:36] <minhaaj> and i am updating
[18:36] <minhaaj> i was just wondering if there is a way to get these programs running ?
[18:37] <minhaaj> i have all my settings already in home with all my data saved
[18:37] <minhaaj> can synaptic help in fixing the brokenpackaes ?
[18:37] <jhutchins_wk> Your desktop icons should still point to the right programs.  I would get back to a clean /var and /etc, restore /home, then work with us on specific programs until we locate the general problem.
[18:37] <minhaaj> i do have clean var and etc
[18:38] <alexei> minhaaj: dont ever overwrite /etc! Your files from old home you can always unpack into subdirectory of you new home and pick whatever you need.
[18:38] <minhaaj> i have restored home only
[18:38] <minhaaj> alexei:  huh ?
[18:38] <jhutchins_wk> minhaaj: No, you've overwritten the config files with older versions, and /var contains important libraries.  You can't just paste the old ones over it.
[18:38] <minhaaj> i didnt touch var and etc
[18:38] <minhaaj> i just restored home
[18:39] <minhaaj> its working fine. only problem is it won't load some programs
[18:39] <minhaaj> programs are in home with all profiles and settings saved
[18:39] <jhutchins_wk> minhaaj: If you do an upgrade, as opposed to a clean install, you will preserve what needs to be saved in /etc and /var, but at this point you have no way to get back to a clean pre-upgrade system.
[18:39] <minhaaj> it just won't run
[18:39] <timri> minhaaj: Run them from a Konsole to find out why.
[18:39] <jhutchins_wk> minhaaj: Give us a specific example of something that fails.
[18:40] <minhaaj> mozilla thunderbird, firefox, googleearth
[18:40] <minhaaj> they just have links on desktop, but they wont work
[18:40] <minhaaj> but they have folders .firefox in home
[18:40] <minhaaj> with all profiles and settings saved
[18:40] <timri> minhaaj: just reinstall them
[18:40] <jhutchins_wk> minhaaj: Bingo.  You changed versions, that software installs in version-specific directories, so your paths are wrong.  Delete your shortcuts and create new ones.
[18:41] <jhutchins_wk> minhaaj: Alt-F2 mozilla-firefox should work.
[18:41] <minhaaj> how do i create new short cuts ? i cant find executable files in .firefox
[18:41] <minhaaj> jhutchins let me try what is the alt+f2 command for firefox ?
[18:41] <jhutchins_wk> minhaaj: at a console type "which mozilla-firefox"
[18:42] <minhaaj> nothing!
[18:42] <alexei> minhaaj: those icons are just pointers, right-click->properties->edit the commad as you like. So that when you click on Googleearth, firefox pops up, why not?
[18:42] <timri> minhaaj: they are not yet installed, you can do that now (synaptic)
[18:42] <minhaaj> they ARE installed timri
[18:42] <minhaaj> i have their folders in HOME
[18:43] <timri> minhaaj: and those contain your settings, not the programs themselves (normally)
[18:43] <minhaaj> so if i install the program, my settings would be updated in programs ?
[18:44] <minhaaj> i am annoyed by the fact that you cant back up in linux
[18:44] <minhaaj> :s
[18:44] <timri> minhaaj: The newly installed versions would use those settings, yes
[18:44] <minhaaj> timri you sure ?
[18:44] <timri> minhaaj: Learn how to use aptitude-create-state-bundle  :)
[18:44] <minhaaj> what is that timri ?
[18:45] <timri> minhaaj: It creates a snapshot of the installed programs...
[18:45] <minhaaj> so ?
[18:45] <minhaaj> how does that help back up ?
[18:45] <timri> minhaaj: ... that you can restore with aptitude-run-state-bundle
[18:45] <alexei> minhaaj: your old settings are in $HOME/.firefox the new firefox itself is somewhere in /usr/
[18:46] <keith> why would my usual nick still be in use after several minutes of being disconnected from the server?
[18:46] <minhaaj> ahh since i have new /usr/ in clean installation i need to do firefox again and during the process firefox would automatically detect a folder already in home and it would use these settings by default ?
[18:46] <timri> minhaaj: A propos backing-up: I use rdiff-backup for that
[18:46] <timri> minhaaj: correct
[18:46] <neilson> ?
[18:46] <minhaaj> i have read documentation on rdiff-back up
[18:46] <minhaaj> i just can't make out
[18:47] <timri> minhaaj: rdiffbackup /home /mythumbnaildrivemount/home
[18:47] <minhaaj> what do you EXACTLY need to back up ONLY your settings, configurations, applications and kubuntu related configs
[18:47] <minhaaj> i dont care about my data its already backed up
[18:47] <minhaaj> mythubmnaildrivemount ?
[18:47] <timri> minhaaj: Yeah, or /media/disk or whatever it's called ;)
[18:47] <minhaaj> oh so you mean backing up on usb ?
[18:48] <timri> minhaaj: Yeah I backup to an external drive (amongst other things)
[18:48] <minhaaj> thats what i'd do
[18:48] <minhaaj> so you run this command in konsole ?
[18:48] <timri> minhaaj: yep
[18:48] <minhaaj> dont you have to install rdiff first ?
[18:48] <minhaaj> or its kubuntu built in utility ?
[18:49] <timri> minhaaj: Kubuntu has the "Keep" program (it uses rdiff-backup)
[18:49] <timri> minhaaj: However, shouldnt you be busy installing firefox, thunderbird and google earth? ;)
[18:49] <minhaaj> i am updating packages
[18:49] <minhaaj> adept-updater
[18:49] <minhaaj> its taking time.
[18:50] <minhaaj> took me  2 hours to get that friggin back up to run :s
[18:50] <minhaaj> wish linux had something like norton ghost
[18:50] <minhaaj> i have used keep it doesnt work
[18:50] <minhaaj> for me atleast
[18:51] <Sylphid|work> minhaaj, http://www.partimage.org/Main_Page
[18:53] <minhaaj> thats pretty techie Sylphid|work
[18:53] <minhaaj> there should have been easy way to back up linux
[18:53] <drif> minhaaj: more easier thaan SystemRescueCd which boots?
[18:53] <drif> -a
[18:53] <minhaaj> where does adept-updater download updates by the way ? nobody would like to update kubuntu each time you install it
[18:54] <minhaaj> how does that work systemrescue cd
[18:54] <drif> minhaaj: read the page
[18:54] <timri> minhaaj: /var/cache/apt/archives/
[18:54] <minhaaj> one thing that i didnt tell you is that i am using kubuntu with wubi
[18:54] <keith> Is there an op here who could kick compilerwriter (me) off so that I am not here persistently with two nicks?
[18:54] <minhaaj> but you said never blanket over write etc and var
[18:54]  * timri knows nothing about wubi
[18:55] <minhaaj> how do you back up and restore var and etc if we are not supposed to paste it over clean var and etc install ?
[18:55] <Githzerai> minhaaj: Have u tried Clonezilla ?
[18:55] <minhaaj> nope whats that ?
[18:56] <Githzerai> minhaaj: Distro for cloning partitions, akka Ghost
[18:56] <minhaaj> distro ?
[18:56] <Githzerai> minhaaj: http://www.clonezilla.org/
[18:57] <minhaaj> yep reading.
[18:57] <Githzerai> minhaaj: Simple live CD based on Debian. It cn be very usefull
[18:57] <minhaaj> thats the problem i dont USE cd based install
[18:57] <minhaaj> i use wubi
[18:58] <minhaaj> for some weird reason my kubuntu cd won't install
[18:58] <minhaaj> plus i need windows for office
[18:58] <minhaaj> i mean MS office
[18:59] <Githzerai> minhaaj: It can clone even ntfs partitions ;)
[18:59] <Jahromeo> hi im looking to take a screenie of my cube rotated in kubuntu - print screen is not bringing up the snapshot capturer while screen is rotated - so if i print screen what editor can i paste in to
[19:00] <Githzerai> Jahromeo: Set time delay in Ksnapshot ;)
[19:00] <Jahromeo> is there nothing else to do?
[19:00] <Jahromeo> ubuntu is just print screen and paste
[19:00] <minhaaj> i have ntfs partitions
[19:00] <minhaaj> since i use wubi with windows
[19:00] <Jahromeo> is there no editor i can open and paste gith
[19:01] <Jahromeo> like a default program like mspaint
[19:01] <andriijas> how do i install firefox 3.0 final in hardy?
[19:02] <Sylphid|work> Jahromeo, install gimp or krita
[19:02] <Githzerai> andriijas: Use hardy-backports repo
[19:02] <NoRoI> its already installed in Hardy
[19:02] <checkob> hi, is there any workaround for the pidgin icq bug?
[19:02] <Jahromeo> thanks
[19:04] <Jahromeo> windows deselect when mouse moves off them - how do i fix that
[19:05] <andriijas> Githzerai: can only find beta5
[19:06] <Pici> andriijas: FF3 final is in the updates repository.
[19:06] <rockprincess> checkob: better ask the pidgin guys, the icq issue is less than 3 hours old! kopete guys are struggling as well
[19:07] <andriijas> Pici: i have the updates repo, still it says deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/mozillateam/ubuntu hardy main
[19:07] <andriijas> ops
[19:07] <andriijas> it says b5 in apt-cache show firefox
[19:08] <maltedik> for all icq-kopete-sufferers: theres a workaround on http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165502
[19:12] <kcir> hello
[19:13] <Pici> andriijas: Can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file?
[19:13] <timri> Jahromeo: Both Krita and the Gimp are fairly "heavy" apps. For simple stuff, I prefer kolourpaint
[19:14] <Jahromeo> thanks timri
[19:17] <timri> Jahromeo: Re: your "windows deselect" problem: Start SystemSettings go to "Window behavior" then set the focus policy to "Click to focus"
[19:18] <Jahromeo> thanks timri
[19:18] <Jahromeo> the guys in compiz got me sorted
[19:31] <andriijas> Pici: http://pastebin.com/d13b3496f
[19:31] <artur_> What are the system requeriments for the Kubuntu 7.10 ?  How much of Mhz? RAM? GB? and so on
[19:31] <joseph> !chess
[19:32]  * joseph snickers
[19:34] <ubuntu_> HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
[19:34] <Sylphid|work> artur_, Desktop install requires at least 256MB of RAM and 3GB of available hard drive space.
[19:35] <NickPresta> artur_, you could probably get away with a ~700Mhz processor and 256MB of RAM. However, optimal would probably be 1.2Ghz, 512MB of RAM.
[19:37] <shadowhywind> hi, does anyone know of a way to copy a existing ubuntu installation to an external bootable hdd?
[19:37] <artur_> NickPresta: the same could be said for 8.04, or not?
[19:38] <NickPresta> artur_, yep
[19:39] <artur_> NickPresta, thank's!  indeed i'll try to use this in a 750 Mhz with 256MB
[19:40] <andriijas> how do i reset my taskbar to its original settings?
[19:40] <NickPresta> artur_, I would say that you'll be fine. You can always turn off the extra eye candy in KDE if you notice any slowdowns
[19:41] <NickPresta> shadowhywind, there are many backup options here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem
[19:42] <shadowhywind> NickPresta: thanks
[19:42] <neotonic> Hi
[19:42] <artur_> NickPresta, sorry, but what you mean with 'extra eye candy' ?  i'm sorry
[19:42] <NickPresta> !hi | neotonic
[19:43] <neotonic> I need some help...i am buntuused to U
[19:43] <neotonic> how i am used to ubuntu
[19:43] <neotonic> ...
[19:43] <NickPresta> you use ubuntu?
[19:43] <neotonic> yes and Kubuntu now
[19:43] <NickPresta> okay
[19:43] <NickPresta> whats the problem?
[19:43] <candive> ubotto, hi
[19:44] <neotonic> where is tyhe Snyoptics package manager in Kubuntu?
[19:44] <rabin> neotonic: It's better to apt-get remove synaptic.
[19:44] <neotonic> ?
[19:44] <NickPresta> neotonic, in Kubuntu, there is Adept (similar in nature). However, you can use Synaptic if you really want (you can still install it)
[19:44] <rabin> neotonic:  it's a bullshit software use kpackage
[19:44] <neotonic> ok
[19:45] <neotonic> i just needed to know the name of the package manager lol
[19:45] <NickPresta> Adept, by default
[19:45] <rabin> neotonic: use Kpackage
[19:45] <neotonic> ok
[19:46] <neotonic> i cant find it...
[19:47] <artur_> artur_: my grub Menu was duplicated, i saw the /boot/grub/menu.lst  and there i could see the menu wrote more the once. To solve this should i just comment the lines that i want exclude from the menu?
[19:47] <neotonic> I only found Adept Manager
[19:48] <NickPresta> artur_, yeah. But when the update script is run again (if you're editing something inside the 'automagic' area) the lines will be put back. If you're outside that 'automagic' area, you're fine
[19:48] <NickPresta> neotonic, you can use that
[19:48] <neotonic> ok
[19:49] <neotonic> I am tripple booting my laptop
[19:49] <neotonic> lol
[19:49] <rabin> neotonic: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE
[19:50] <neotonic> Ubuntu, Kubntu and Windows Vista
[19:50] <artur_> NickPresta:  thnx!!
[19:53] <Dr-Pepsi> Why isnt my Compiz working? I installed the settings manager, and checked the setings i wanted
[19:53] <NickPresta> !doesntwork
[19:53] <rabin> Dr-Pepsi: can you please inform us about the graphics card
[19:53] <rabin> ?
[19:54] <Dr-Pepsi> it works on Ubuntu, nVIDIA GeForce 8600M GS 1GB
[19:54] <Dr-Pepsi> 512mb detiucated
[19:55] <Dr-Pepsi> !compiz
[19:56] <rabin> use compiz-fusion
[19:56] <rabin> update package Xorg
[19:56] <MattMunich> hi @ll
[19:56] <NickPresta> hi, MattMunich
[19:56] <Dr-Pepsi> MattMunich:  Hi
[19:57] <MattMunich> I have a problem with working with kde4.1 applications in German; eg Kontact seems to be partly in English and partly in German. Is that true? or have i missed something?
[19:57] <MattMunich> my distributuion is kubuntu 8.04, my kde is 4.1
[19:58] <Shirakawasuna> you mean the beta?  Perhaps you should ask in #kde
[19:58] <Shirakawasuna> since it's beta :D
[19:59] <MattMunich> i was referred to this channel from #kde
[20:00] <_dennister> g'evening channel...any other samba experts online here, seeing as how flaccid isn't?
[20:01] <_dennister> online that is :)
[20:01] <NickPresta> you should ask in #kubuntu-kde4 if it is a KDE4 problem with Kubuntu
[20:01] <NickPresta> which you did :)
[20:03] <_dennister> i've edited my smb.conf for a simple samba configuration (security=share), and my shares are visible via a w2k laptop, but that's it...haven't added samba users, edited fstab, or anything else yet
[20:04] <tom_> hi, i'm kinda new to linux and kubuntu...
[20:04] <_dennister> question: is it necessary to edit the fstab file for my samba shares so they'll mount at boottime?
[20:05] <Dr-Pepsi> !compiz
[20:05] <tom_> i've just received a free kubuntu 8.04 cd and installed it. after installation, i went through apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and now kubuntu won't start in normal mode
[20:05] <tom_> i have to go through recovery mode and then choose proceed normal boot
[20:05] <tom_> the problem is, i get a kernel panic, something like it couldn't mount unknown disk (0,0)
[20:06] <tom_> any ideas what could be causing it and how it can be fixed?
[20:08] <_dennister> tom_: what kind of drive is it? and are you in livecd mode, or in the installation?
[20:08] <tom_> _dennister: i'm in the installation. if i choose recovery mode in grub and when i get the recovery menu (normal, xfix, console) i choose normal boot, it starts normally...
[20:09] <tom_> hdd is sata, i'm not sure what brand it is, should i check?
[20:09] <_dennister> tom_: and "xfix" is?
[20:09] <_dennister> no, don't worry about the brand
[20:10] <tom_> it says that xfix would fix the X Windows system....
[20:10] <_dennister> ok...i'm used to other methods of fixing xorg...xfix seems to be working for you
[20:11] <tom_> what do you mean?
[20:11] <tom_> that is one of the options in the recovery menu
[20:12] <tom_> i was just describing them, to make clear the steps i take to be able to boot normally.   in grub i choose recovery mode, in recovery menu i choose continue boot - works.    in grub ichoose the default ubuntu - kernel panic.
[20:12] <_dennister> xfix must be new to hardy...and i've never seen a "recovery menu", just recovery mode, which is a console method...no menus...I'd better not try to help you, but let some of the more experienced hardy helpers assist
[20:13] <tom_> this is a nice clean menu ;)
[20:13] <tom_> it took me a day to fix X from the console last time i've tried kubuntu
[20:14] <_dennister> tom_: sorry...let's see, if ur new to kubuntu and this channel...there are lots of very good tech support people in here usually
[20:14] <_dennister> are you used to other linux distros?
[20:14] <tom_> no
[20:15] <tom_> i've tried pclinuxos and hated it and i've tried previous versions of ubuntu and kubuntu and i always had some problems with the drivers, either audio or video
[20:15] <tom_> now it seems there's a problem with the hdd :P
[20:15] <minhaaj> yea thats what i thought
[20:15] <_dennister> ok, good then...but it's too bad ur having trouble...it's usually one of the easiest distros...i'm building one here for a reluctant linux user
[20:15] <minhaaj> because kubuntu is good with hardware detection
[20:16] <minhaaj> ubunti IS the best distro
[20:16] <_dennister> yes, very...it detected my sata controller when the bios didn't :-)
[20:16] <minhaaj> i was able to my bluetooth in it which i couldnt use in windows
[20:16] <minhaaj> ubuntu is a miracle
[20:17] <minhaaj> so is linux. and credit goes everyone
[20:17] <minhaaj> me and you
[20:17] <minhaaj> :)
[20:17] <_dennister> minhaaj: could you help tom_ with his hdd then? he's using hardy, and i'm not that good with hardy yet
[20:17] <minhaaj> whats the problem tom ?
[20:17] <tom_> i installed kubuntu 8.04 from a cd i got in the mail, everything worked fine
[20:18] <Dr-Pepsi> !compiz
[20:18] <tom_> i configured the internet connection, rebooted to make sure everything was fine
[20:18] <tom_> ran apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and rebooted once more
[20:18] <tom_> now if i choose the default option in grub, i get a kernel panic
[20:19] <minhaaj> tell me the exact error tom
[20:19] <minhaaj> did you google it ?
[20:19] <tom_>  something like it couldn't mount unknown disk (0,0)
[20:19] <tom_> ummm doh, no
[20:19] <tom_> brb, rebooting to check the exact message :)
[20:19] <minhaaj> heh ok
[20:19] <Dr-Pepsi> I got Compiz Working
[20:20] <_dennister> Dr-Pepsi: congrats...with hardy?
[20:21] <_dennister> ok...back to my samba configuration...
[20:23] <visik7> hi guys,
[20:23] <visik7> will kubuntu 8.10 have kde4.x by default ?
[20:23] <minhaaj> i hoep so
[20:23] <minhaaj> although kde4 sux
[20:24] <visik7> no it doesn't
[20:24] <visik7> kde4 is here to rules the world :)
[20:24] <visik7> 4.0 sux but 4.0 is old
[20:24] <minhaaj> kde4 is here to mess up ubuntu
[20:24] <anabelle> My PC doesn't keep XORG settings after reboot!!!!
[20:24] <anabelle> :'(
[20:25] <NickPresta> 4.0 is a beta release with many things 'incomplete', but as 4.1 Beta 2 is a beta and still has some things incomplete
[20:25] <anabelle> what can it be?
[20:25] <tom_> ok, now i got a whole different message with a stack trace
[20:25] <minhaaj> anabella did you try saving session ?
[20:26] <minhaaj> tom google it
[20:26] <tom_> i've got ubuntu 8.04 kernel 2.6.24-16 and it froze saying "kernel panic - not syncing - attempted to kill init!"
[20:26] <minhaaj> seems like you are having a conflict
[20:26] <Lord_Drestor> Hi men, I have a problem with lyric and amarok, is something with ruby 1.8, but i don't know how to solve it and see the lyrics again
[20:26] <terettes15> hi!! i need help installing the new firefox 3.0 on my kubuntu linux computer
[20:26] <visik7> tom_: after what ?
[20:26] <_CrashMaster_> terettes15: What kind of problem are you encountering?
[20:26] <tom_> visik7: i get that when i boot normally
[20:27] <NickPresta> Lord_Drestor, what seems to be the problem?
[20:27] <minhaaj> tom http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/explained-kernel-panic-not-syncing-attempted-to-kill-init-353920/
[20:27] <Lord_Drestor> i am going to paste it
[20:27] <Lord_Drestor> here
[20:27] <terettes15> i dont know how to install the new firefox, when i dl it it only comes up has a file
[20:27] <terettes15> and not a .deb
[20:28] <minhaaj> terettes15:  go to apt-get
[20:28] <_CrashMaster_> terettes15: Open a terminal. Type "sudo apt-get install firefox"
[20:28] <minhaaj> or sudo apt-get install firefox
[20:28] <minhaaj> !pastebin
[20:28] <minhaaj> Lord_Drestor:  paste in pastebin
[20:29] <_dennister> ok, quickie question: can i change how updatedb is done by simply moving slocate script from cron.daily to cron.hourly?
[20:30] <minhaaj> no idea
[20:30] <terettes15> i think it worked
[20:30] <minhaaj> _dennister:  did you try man updatedb ?
[20:30] <_CrashMaster_> of course it worked. It always works. :P
[20:30] <minhaaj> great terettes15
[20:31] <minhaaj> :)
[20:31] <terettes15> thank you
[20:31] <minhaaj> linux DOES work.
[20:31] <_CrashMaster_> If you speak the special Linux language, anyway :)
[20:31] <minhaaj> it just doesnt make you dumb and pre configure things for you like windows
[20:32] <terettes15> nevermind
[20:32] <_dennister> minhaaj: i've read it many times before, but all the advice i've ever read goes into so much depth about how to ...my son is coming in an hour and I just don't have the time
[20:33] <Lord_Drestor> this is the problem http://paste.ubuntu.com/24301/
[20:33] <terettes15> all it did was reinstall firefox 2.0, not firefox 3.0
[20:33] <_dennister> minhaaj: i know linux works :-) been using it for 2 years on many, many systems, even had a working gentoo system, a mythtv box...
[20:33] <minhaaj> ahh
[20:34] <minhaaj> wow nice
[20:34] <NickPresta> Lord_Drestor, it just appears that the Lyrc site is down (http://lyrc.com.ar). I would wait a bit and see if the site comes back up
[20:34] <minhaaj> terettes15:  go to apt-get
[20:34] <minhaaj> there you can get firefox 3
[20:34] <minhaaj> its listed under internet
[20:34] <minhaaj> simply uncheck firefox2 and get firefox 3
[20:34] <_dennister> so ppl: can I quickly change how often updatedb gets done by simply moving the script from cron.daily to cron.hourly?
[20:36] <Lord_Drestor> NickPresta, ok thank you if it doesn't change i will be back here LOL
[20:38] <NickPresta> Lord_Drestor, okay, but there really isn't anything we can do about it :) You could try GoogLyrics http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/GoogLyrics?content=73850
[20:40] <arogarth> hello @all
[20:40] <terettes15> now its saying firefox is malformatted
[20:40] <arogarth> i have a question
[20:40] <Lord_Drestor> ok thanks bye
[20:40] <arogarth> i will compile kmediafactory <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:41] <arogarth> at the end of configure it shows me configure: error:
[20:41] <tobor> hi all, I am using Firefox 1.5, ( on LTS 6.06) and I am thinking about upgrading so that I can and some extensions. does anyone know if the current repositories for LTS 6.06 include a later version of Firefox?
[20:41] <tobor> s/and/add/
[20:41] <arogarth> on depends ImageMagick => 6.0
[20:41] <arogarth> how can i fix it
[20:41] <arogarth> ??
[20:41] <NickPresta> arogarth, sudo apt-get install imagemagick
[20:42] <arogarth> i have installed it
[20:42] <_dennister> ok, more important question regarding samba: to mount samba shares at boottime i have to edit fstab, right? and make a smbpasswd file it can access?
[20:42] <NickPresta> arogarth, try: libmagick++9-dev
[20:43] <_dennister> <--------needs flaccid for a simple samba config
[20:43] <NickPresta> _dennister, you want to mount a cifs share at boot time?
[20:44] <_dennister> NickPresta: sorta...i just prefer to use smbfs cause cifs sucks
[20:45] <andriijas> how do i make firefox look prettier in kubuntu?
[20:45] <NickPresta> _dennister, as far as I know, smbfs has not had development in the last couple years and CIFS is now what you should be using.
[20:46] <tobor> NickPresta: Samba and CIFS are the same project, CIFS was Microsoft's new name foe that functionality
[20:46] <_dennister> and yes, smbfs is being deprecated...but i struggled with it for some time a few weeks ago, and it never worked for me...even with the help of people like genii...smbfs still works
[20:46] <arogarth> thx, it works
[20:46] <_dennister> NickPresta: sorry ^^
[20:46] <arogarth> i have had installed libmagick++10-dev
[20:46] <arogarth> but this dowsnt work
[20:46] <NickPresta> tobor, okay. I'm just going with what is said here: http://samba.org/samba/smbfs/
[20:46] <arogarth> thx a lot
[20:47] <NickPresta> _dennister, sorry. I use CIFS to mount my windows shares. I haven't used smbfs in a very long time
[20:47] <_dennister> NickPresta: but perhaps we should try to mount a share it temporarily from terminal before we make it permanent in fstab
[20:48] <NickPresta> _dennister, yeah, for sure
[20:48] <tobor> NickPresta: oh, well they certainly know more about what's going on Van ideal! :-)
[20:48] <_dennister> NickPresta: if we can make cifs work today, i'll be forever in ur debt
[20:48] <tobor> s/Van ideal/Than I do/
[20:48] <NickPresta> :)
[20:48] <tobor> speech recognition software :-(
[20:50] <NickPresta> _dennister, try something like this: mount -t cifs -o ip=LOCAL.IP -o OPTIONS //SHARENAME/path/ /local/path
[20:50] <_dennister> NickPresta: here's the point where I'm at: edited smb.conf, added smbpasswd for my user, made directories/mountpoints in /media/sambashare for those shares
[20:52] <NickPresta> _dennister, have you seen http://www.swerdna.net.au/linhowtosambacifs.html ? It explains what you want to accomplish (I think)
[20:53] <_dennister> NickPresta: no i haven't seen that one before...just tons of others like it...am trying now to follow ur earlier direction with terminal command
[20:54] <NickPresta> _dennister, mount also accepts 'username' and 'password' options: mount -t cifs -o ip=LOCALIP,username=USERNAME,password=PASSWORD //SHARENAME/path/ /local/path
[20:55] <_dennister> NickPresta: ok, got an error 22 = Invalid argument after I entered: sudo mount -t cifs -o ip=<IP_ADDRESS> -o username=scott //storage /media/sambashare/storage
[20:56] <_dennister> probably cause i had 2 "-o" right?
[20:56] <_dennister> no wait...cause there were spaces between options
[20:56] <NickPresta> _dennister, yeah. just a comma - no spaces
[20:58] <_dennister> starting to remember now...mount command is very similar to fstab line
[20:58] <_dennister> i think i did it...now to test
[20:59] <mbox> hi
[20:59] <mbox> i cant connect to icq ... server says kopete version is too old... any advice?
[21:00] <timri> mbox: workaround: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165502
[21:00] <aeight> > #kopete ;)
[21:01] <tom_> hi again
[21:01] <tom_> minhaaj: problem solved
[21:01] <_dennister> NickPresta: yes!!! it mounted and i can now browse it from the w2k laptop
[21:01] <NickPresta> :)
[21:02] <timri> _dennister: If you use a password, better move it to a separate credentials file.
[21:02] <tom_> all of a sudden adept thought of notifying me about other updates which apt-get has missed. it updated my kernel to 2.6.24-19 (from 2.6.24-16) and now it works fine
[21:02] <minhaaj> great tom_
[21:02] <minhaaj> see you are smart
[21:02] <tom_> so i guess the lesson here (at least for me) is to stop using apt-get if you have adept
[21:02] <NickPresta> _dennister, the fstab line looks like this: //SHARE/path/ /path/path/ cifs rw,user,uid=YOURUSERNAME,gid=YOURGROUP,umask=0222,nls=utf8,ip=<IP_ADDRESS>,username=USERNAME,password=PASSWORD 0 0
[21:03] <minhaaj> heh
[21:03] <minhaaj> didnt apt-get update work for you ?
[21:03] <NickPresta> timri, _dennister ah yes. the credentials option and file. That makes more sense :)
[21:03] <maltedik> tom_, maybe you didnt use "apt-get dist-upgrade"
[21:03] <tom_> minhaaj: that's what messed it up in the first place
[21:03] <_dennister> NickPresta: yes, i'm used to doing that...the main thing is that I can now browse the server share and play the music on it through the w2k laptop...thx...will edit fstab now, then create the smbcredentials file, then mount it all to test
[21:03] <tom_> true, maltedik
[21:03] <tom_> i forgot about that one
[21:04] <maltedik> always add the "dist-"
[21:04] <minhaaj> great. but apt get works fne for me
[21:04] <timri> _dennister: Just a question: why do you want to mount it at _boot_ time, why not at login?
[21:04] <maltedik> its the "dist-" what makes apt-get so special! ;)
[21:05] <_dennister> timri: good question; i hadn't thought of that...all the howtos i've tried to follow in the past said to do it at bootime
[21:05] <tom_> i see
[21:05] <_dennister> <---------follows direction :-)
[21:06] <minhaaj> maltedik:  apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[21:06] <timri> _dennister: You dont even need root permissions with something like fusesmb
[21:07] <_dennister> perhaps that is at the heart of my past troubles? particularly with cifs...wonderful...never heard of fusesmb b4
[21:07] <maltedik> minhaaj: yeah. the upgrade without the dist doesnt include kernels
[21:07] <minhaaj> ahh ok
[21:07] <minhaaj> i never did that. guess i should try it
[21:07] <minhaaj> its stable ?
[21:07] <_dennister> NickPresta: is timri correct, and automating something at login is better than at boot?
[21:08] <maltedik> i always use it
[21:08] <tom_> one more thing, i have an ati radeon x800 gto, do you think it would be wise to install proprietary drivers?
[21:08] <minhaaj> hmm great.
[21:08] <minhaaj> yep tom_
[21:08] <minhaaj> try fglrx
[21:08] <tom_> currently kubuntu sees it as "ATI Radeon"
[21:08] <maltedik> minhaaj: but you have to reboot to use the new kernel...
[21:08] <minhaaj> ahh ok
[21:08] <timri> _dennister: ? Did I say "better" ?
[21:08] <minhaaj> because i have seen people whine about kernel upgrade
[21:08] <minhaaj> so i guess it screws some people up
[21:08] <minhaaj> btw maltedik you did me earlier today. told me to back up home etc and var
[21:09] <minhaaj> i did so, i was only able to restore home
[21:09] <minhaaj> etc and var restoring would crash kubuntu
[21:09] <minhaaj> took me 3 hours to get things reinstalled
[21:09] <minhaaj> thanks buddy
[21:09] <minhaaj> :s
[21:10] <_dennister> timri: no, u didn't, but ur solution sounds more logical than doing it at boot...one of the troubles i was having with cifs before is a bit complicated to explain, but there seemed to be a conflict between root, mounting certain drives through fstab, and the smbuser
[21:11] <maltedik> minhaaj: i didnt _told_ you anything
[21:11] <minhaaj> you did :)
[21:11] <minhaaj> anyways thats how we all learn
[21:11] <timri> _dennister: I too was hit by the transition to cifs (ah, "general error 11" how I miss you)
[21:12] <tom_> wtf.. cat steps on ash tray, bed is full of cigarrette ashes, i slap the cat, the cat starts purring
[21:12] <_dennister> timri: and since NickPresta seems to be taking a break (or helping someone else) i'd appreciate your opinion, as u seem to know what ur talking about :) better to mount all samba shares at boot, or login?
[21:12] <minhaaj> tom_: try #kubuntu-offtopic
[21:12] <tom_> thanks
[21:12] <_dennister> yes, i got all sorts of errors...even genii tried to help me, and he really knows what he's doing with linux...i met him personally
[21:13] <kakoonia> Hey.. from some reason the keyboard layout switching shortcut goes only one way.. someone knows how to fix this?
[21:13] <timri> _dennister: If it's system wide I mount at boot (e.g. I use a share to backup to, that's mounted at boot), the rest gets mounted for each user at login (with smb4k mainly - although that's not as stable as I would like)
[21:14] <timri> _dennister: A genii -- the smell of coffee fills the room :)
[21:14] <_dennister> timri: can u wait 5-10 minutes and then hold my hand a bit while I try this? I gotta run to go pee and have a cig...i'm so excited :)...........ok,k i elect to do it at boot then, because it needs to be system wide.........back in 5-10 minutes
[21:14] <timri> _dennister: heh, sure
[21:15] <kakoonia> someone can help me out with this wierd problem?
[21:15] <sourcemaker> is it possible to log all the access.log from apache to mysql?
[21:16] <Sylphid|work> !ask > kakoonia
[21:16] <minhaaj> ok my back attempt has done me bad
[21:16] <minhaaj> any idea how i can install the missing files in etc and var ?
[21:17] <sub[t]rnl> sourcemaker➜ mysql has a load function to read regular files
[21:17] <sourcemaker> sub[t]rnl: ok... thanks
[21:17] <sub[t]rnl> LOAD DATA infile /path/to/access.log INTO TABLE newtablename (field1, field2, field3,)
[21:18] <sub[t]rnl> something like that
[21:21] <_dennister> timri: ur not genii are u? logging in from your vacation spot?
[21:21] <timri> _dennister: Nope
[21:22] <dwidmann_> Okay, so I'm a bit out of touch with my inner bash. Can someone refresh my memory on how to play with the range thing, ie: something like "touch [1-4]blah" would make 1blah, 2blah ....  .......
[21:22] <timri> _dennister: By the way, the center of France is a terrible vacation spot
[21:22] <_dennister> ok...it was the coffee line...u obviously are familiar with him...lol
[21:23] <sub[t]rnl> dwidmann_➜ touch {1..4}blah
[21:23] <dwidmann_> thanks sub[t]rnl
[21:24] <_dennister> timri: ok, let's get the fstab line working, k?
[21:24] <timri> _dennister: go ahead
[21:25] <minhaaj> timri dude that home restore has done me
[21:25] <minhaaj> every program i open, an error pops up
[21:25] <timri> minhaaj: In a good way?
[21:25] <minhaaj> in worst way
[21:25] <timri> ;)
[21:25] <minhaaj> how do i add additional files for etc and var ?
[21:26] <minhaaj> how can i fix broken packages ?
[21:26] <mbox> timri: thank you!
[21:26] <_dennister> ok, i've got the share unmounted again...will create the smbcredentials file...just the user and the password, right? and then i need to change the perms so it's not readable except by root
[21:26] <enterusername> hi
[21:26] <enterusername> how do i enable automounting again where the screen pops up when i put a new cd
[21:26] <enterusername> or an ipod?
[21:26] <testi> amarok isn't playing m4a files for some reason. How can I ensure, that m4a is supported by amarok?
[21:26] <enterusername> I think i byaccidently disabled the pop up screen
[21:27] <timri> _dennister: yep. Tip: open konqueror here: man:/mount.cifs
[21:27] <timri> mbox: You're welcome
[21:28] <enterusername> anyhone?
[21:29] <sub[t]rnl> enterusername➜ are you talking about the hal layer? or just getting icons on the desktop?
[21:29] <enterusername> well i think its a mixture of hal with kde?
[21:29] <_dennister> timri: goot tip, i had the contents of smbcredentials slightly incorrect already
[21:29] <enterusername> when ever i put a disk or ipod in i would get a pop up window
[21:29] <_dennister> *good
[21:30] <timri> _dennister: heh. By the way you can use the # sign as a shortcut for man:/ (no space)
[21:30] <sub[t]rnl> enterusername➜ right click desktop, configure desktop, behavior, and check to see if your device icons are enabled
[21:30] <_dennister> ok, how to make smbcredentials read-only, except by root?
[21:30] <timri> enterusername: also start Systemsettings -> notifications -> storage media
[21:32] <timri> _dennister: chmod 0500 smbcredentials
[21:32] <_dennister> timri: was that meant for me?^^ my son has arrived now, and i need to quickly get this finished
[21:32] <_dennister> ty
[21:32] <sub[t]rnl> _dennister➜ probably don't want that to be read only.. you'll want to hide that from everyone
[21:32] <flags8192> Скажите пожалуйста, как в кубунту slonax запустить
[21:32] <_dennister> yes, ur right
[21:32] <yesitisjustme> my laptop has build in thing to connect ethernet cable and i  also have a pcmcia card it gets detectedn and dongle cable lights up but yet won't connect with either build in or the card yet it always connects fine to desktop is there something i am missing?
[21:33] <_dennister> timri: and now the fstab line...
[21:34] <joebob777as7> I want to set up remote printing? is there an easy way to do that without setting up a vpn? if not is there an easy way to set up a vpn?
[21:34] <timri> _dennister: just take your mount command leave out the -o, put the options in the correct spot
[21:35] <joebob777as7> I mean for internet printing btw
[21:36] <yesitisjustme> is it possible for a internet provider to block like other computers on your house like a laptop and only allow desktop to connect to internet?
[21:36] <sub[t]rnl> yesitisjustme➜ negative
[21:36] <_dennister> timri: sorry, now that i have fstab open in terminal i can't see what my mount command was
[21:37] <timri> _dennister: use konsole instead of a terminal :) (Alt+F2 konsole enter)
[21:37] <sub[t]rnl> joebob777as7➜ ssh tunneling would be a better choice
[21:38] <_dennister> too late now...so far i've got: //netbiosname/sharename mountpoint cifs ... now i need the options
[21:38] <yesitisjustme> well it detects the card ok i don't what else to try also the building ehternet port also couldn't browse
[21:38] <sub[t]rnl> though you can vpn vial a ssh tunnel, but that would be an extra layer taking up resources
[21:39] <timri> _dennister: you had the options 15 mins ago
[21:39]  * timri scrolls back
[21:40] <joebob777as7> sub[t]rnl. I know but my mom doesn't know what to do and she's on a windows box...
[21:40] <timri> _dennister: " <NickPresta> _dennister, the fstab line looks like this: //SHARE/path/ /path/path/ cifs rw,user,uid=YOURUSERNAME,gid=YOURGROUP,umask=0222,nls=utf8,ip=<IP_ADDRESS>,username=USERNAME,password=PASSWORD 0 0"
[21:41] <sub[t]rnl> joebob777as7➜ what exactly is she trying to do? print to a remote server from her windows box?
[21:41] <timri> _dennister: Of course, you omit the username and password and add credentials=/path/to/smbcredentials
[21:42] <joebob777as7> sub[t]rnl, is there a way to ssh tunnel and set up the printer on my ubuntu server here?
[21:42] <sub[t]rnl> joebob777as7➜ you bet.
[21:42] <joebob777as7> sub[t]rnl, would that just be a local 631 tunnel?
[21:43] <_dennister> options so far are: credentials=/etc/smbcredentials,rw,user,umask=0222,nls=utf8 0 0
[21:43] <_dennister> timri: sound right?
[21:43] <sub[t]rnl> port can be arbitrary, then ssh will port forward
[21:43] <timri> _dennister: looks about ok (0 0 is not technically part of the options of course)
[21:44] <sub[t]rnl> joebob777as7➜ have a look at this http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/5462
[21:44] <_dennister> yes, of course...what does 0222 mean in terms of umask?
[21:44] <joebob777as7> sub[t]rnl, i've used gstm before but what's the ssh command for that?
[21:45] <sub[t]rnl> joebob777as7➜ not sure, would have to look it up.
[21:45] <_dennister> ready to test
[21:45] <timri> _dennister: But the point is: you have mounted it manually already, you should use the same options in fstab
[21:45] <timri> _dennister: sudo mount -a
[21:45] <_CrashMaster_> sub[t]rnl: What key combo are you using to get that nifty arrow character?
[21:46] <sub[t]rnl> _CrashMaster_➜ tab
[21:46] <_CrashMaster_> Oh, that's your default autocomplete character?
[21:46] <sub[t]rnl> si
[21:46] <joebob777as7> sub[t]rnl ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>-L 1234:myprintserver.net:631?
[21:46] <_dennister> timri: yes, i used the mount -a...it works! now to get my son to try it from his laptop
[21:47] <timri> _dennister: Erm.. didnt he have a w2k laptop?
[21:49] <sub[t]rnl> joebob777as7➜ yeah, that would forward 1234 to myprintserver.net 631 port
[21:50] <_dennister> timri: it was my w2k laptop, and it was able to access the server's newly mounted fstab shares...my son who's arrived has a fairly new xp home laptop
[21:51] <_dennister> this samba server i've been building for him goes home with him tonight
[21:51] <timri> _dennister: Ah ok, for a moment I was afraid you thought you needed to mount in Linux to make a share available in Microsoft Windows :)
[21:52] <timri> _dennister: perhaps a good idea to install openssh-server on it so you can remotely administer it
[21:53] <timri> _dennister: but that's for another day
[21:53] <sub[t]rnl> dern..
[21:53] <_dennister> no, no./..he's testing now with his laptop...way ahead of u there...openssh-server was configured, and tested as workiing properly b4 i cam online for samba help
[21:53] <sub[t]rnl> what is the default umask in kubuntu anyway.. mines 077 but i'm not sure if thats default
[21:54] <sub[t]rnl> think i've changed it over the years
[21:54] <timri> sub[t]rnl: No idea. tt doesnt matter a lot with samba if you use the attributes to store Windows specific stuff in
[21:55] <sub[t]rnl> yeah was talking linux side
[21:55] <sub[t]rnl> whats in your /etc/profile timri
[21:55] <sub[t]rnl> cat /etc/profile |tail -n 1
[21:56] <timri> sub[t]rnl: 022
[21:56] <sub[t]rnl> ah ha
[21:56] <timri> sub[t]rnl: i.e. no execute
[21:56] <timri> sub[t]rnl: But we were talking about samba and I use "map hidden" etc.
[21:57] <sub[t]rnl> yeah, righto
[21:57] <sub[t]rnl> just had a brain fart and couldn't recall what stock umask was in kubuntu.
[21:57] <_dennister> ppl, let me introduce you to my son, scott
[21:57] <sub[t]rnl> hey there scott.
[21:57] <timri> hi
[22:00] <timri> ok, I'am off to bed bye everyone
[22:04] <vipex> Can i get IDLE (Python GUI) to kubuntu?
[22:05] <vipex> Can i get to kubuntu this IDLE (Python GUI)
[22:07] <sub[t]rnl> !info idle
[22:08] <korry> I upgraded my notebook to 8.04 recently and now my fan runs constantly and the system feels very hot... any ideas? I *think* that the problem goes away if I don't run KDE4
[22:08] <sub[t]rnl> korry➜ run top or htop to see if there are any run away processes
[22:08] <korry> sub[t]rnl: I've done that (many times)... top doesn't show anything suspicious
[22:12] <sub[t]rnl> korry➜ cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/cpuwhatever/temperature
[22:12] <sub[t]rnl> if its supported
[22:13] <korry> sub[t]rnl: I'll try that as soon as I boot...  what would that tell me?
[22:13] <sub[t]rnl> how hot said cpu is running
[22:14] <_dennister> ok, scoot's gonna do my dishes b4 dinner while i work on his laptop :-) cya's later
[22:14] <sub[t]rnl> think it relies on lm-sensors, and not sure if that comes default, but it's worth a look
[22:14] <_dennister> timri: ty so much for everything :-)
[22:18] <joe__> when I change my ip to static it just doesnt connect to my router anymore... why?
[22:27] <NiKeCRu666> hello!
[22:28] <NiKeCRu666> i have no sound after hibernate my lapyop :( please help :(
[22:29] <rohan> does kubuntu use pulseaudio by default?
[22:29] <NiKeCRu666> pulseaudio?
[22:29] <rohan> anyone having a (near-)fresh kubuntu install please give me the output of "apt-cache policy pulseaudio"
[22:29] <NiKeCRu666> uhmn i dont know =(
[22:30] <rohan> NiKeCRu666: ok, can you please just show me what output you get
[22:30] <NiKeCRu666> ok
[22:30] <NiKeCRu666> on pastebin of ubuntu?
[22:30] <rohan> anywhere is fine
[22:30] <NiKeCRu666> ok here it is
[22:30] <NiKeCRu666> $ apt-cache policy pulseaudio
[22:30] <NiKeCRu666> pulseaudio:
[22:30] <NiKeCRu666>   Instalados: (ninguno)
[22:30] <NiKeCRu666>   Candidato: 0.9.10-1ubuntu1
[22:30] <NiKeCRu666>   Tabla de versión:
[22:30] <NiKeCRu666>      0.9.10-1ubuntu1 0
[22:30] <NiKeCRu666>         500 http://pe.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/main Packages
[22:31] <NiKeCRu666> sorry is in spanish, i can translate it if you dont understand
[22:31] <rohan> NiKeCRu666: ok, no problem. that's on a default stock install of kubuntu 8.04 right?
[22:31] <NiKeCRu666> yup
[22:32] <NiKeCRu666> rohan, yes
[22:33] <NiKeCRu666> my laptop is an acer aspire 4720z
[22:33] <rohan> NiKeCRu666: thanks
[22:34] <NiKeCRu666> no no,thank you for helping me
[22:34] <rohan> hehe, how did i help you? :o
[22:35] <NiKeCRu666> at least you are trying to xD
[22:38] <HighHo> NiKeCRu666: change your mirror or wait, seems like the file is just unavailable at the moment, maybe due to syncing
[22:39] <NiKeCRu666> to change mi mirror?
[22:39] <NiKeCRu666> my mirror?
[22:43] <sgallinger> does kubuntu support fglrx ?
[22:53] <kemal> hi, i will update hardy to kde 4, is it stable? ist here anoyne who experienced ?  thx
[22:54] <ImLiz> hi everyone, I have an issue with kopete, when I change my display pic others can see it but I'm stuck with the old one, is that fixable???
[22:55] <kemal> kopete but which version?
[22:55] <Dragnslcr> ImLiz- you might try asking #kopete
[22:55] <ImLiz> version 0.12.2
[22:55] <kemal> what is channel's name of kde4 for hardy?
[22:56] <Dragnslcr> #kubuntu-kde4
[22:56] <compilerwriter2> How in blazes does one get compilerwriter one offline so that I don't have to masquerade as myself
[22:56] <ImLiz> thanx dragnslcr
[22:56] <kemal> you can update it
[22:56] <kemal> i have 0.12.7
[22:57] <kemal> using kde 3.5.9
[22:57] <ImLiz> oh mine uses 3.5.2 :-/
[22:58] <kemal> you can use adapt manager for update it
[22:58] <kemal> run  :     kdesu adept_manager
[22:59] <ImLiz> then what?
[22:59] <kemal> you can see upgradeable packages on there
[23:00] <kemal> just push fetch updates button
[23:03] <ImLiz> I don't see any new versions listed
[23:05] <kemal> then you must edit your software sources
[23:07] <kemal> quit from adapt manager and run  kdesu adept_installer
[23:08] <kemal> clcik on the software sources
[23:09] <tom_> how do i set a pppoe connection to auto-reconnect on disconnection? or is it like that by default?
[23:10] <kemal> then, go updates tab and  click on the box called unsupported updates, "you have own risk", it may be not stable because of unsupported"
[23:10] <shoklowitz> Hi, I'm getting a black screen after a few minutes of idle.I tried setting the screensaver off by editing kdesktoprc > [screensaver] enabled=false, which didn't work. I also tried editing xorg.conf and adding the lines suggested here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=401104, but that only bricks kdm for some reason and I have to go into recovery mode to restore xorg.conf.
[23:10] <shoklowitz> Any ideas?
[23:11] <kemal> down to konsole from kdesktop during kde running?
[23:12] <shoklowitz> I edited kdesktoprc manually, if that's what you mean
[23:12] <kemal> shoklowitz: ?
[23:13] <shoklowitz> I don't think it's a screensaver issue, I think it's just some sort of idle setting built into kde. There's a thread on it here, which deals with exactly what I'm having a problem with : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=401104
[23:14] <shoklowitz> But for some reason, when I append those lines to the end of xorg.conf and restart X, it won't start kdm/kde
[23:14] <shoklowitz> It says: kdm is not the default....
[23:14] <shoklowitz> and then proceeds to not start kdm,kde/X
[23:14] <kemal> kdm is kde configure module
[23:14] <shoklowitz> Yep.
[23:14] <kemal> run kdm and reconfigure it
[23:15] <kemal> maybe there is a problem in your settings
[23:16] <shoklowitz> Well, it seems to work for other people. It took care of their idle blank screen problem, could you have a look at the code for me?
[23:16] <kemal> of course
[23:17] <kemal> where is it's location
[23:17] <shoklowitz> It's here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2462529&postcount=9
[23:18]  * tom_ posts his question again (sorry for d/c):
[23:18] <tom_> does a pppoe connection reconnect automatically if it disconnects?
[23:18] <kemal> # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
[23:18] <kemal> # again, run the following command:
[23:18] <kemal> #   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[23:19] <shoklowitz> Won't that remove any changes that I made to it?
[23:20] <kemal> these letters are in xorg.conf file
[23:20] <shoklowitz> I saw that before, but won't that erase what I just inserted into the file?
[23:20] <kemal> i have no any lines which you wrote on your link
[23:21] <kemal> no Section "ServerFlags" in my xorg.conf
[23:21] <shoklowitz> I know, these lines are to prevent the screen from going blank when the computer is idle
[23:22] <kemal> dont use blank screen for screensaver?
[23:24] <shoklowitz> I'm not using a blank screen. My screen saver is turned off :\
[23:25] <kemal> how did you set it off?
[23:25] <kemal> i cannot see any option for this
[23:26] <kemal> moreover, screensaver is useful for your screen
[23:26] <shoklowitz> You can edit your kdesktoprc file and change [screensaver] enabled=false to turn off your screensaver
[23:26] <Schuenemann> how do I search for a file? I always forget
[23:27] <kemal> Schuenemann: strigi
[23:27] <shoklowitz> I need to disable the screensaver because I have a transparent screen lock, so that the screen can be locked but activity on the monitor can be seen. This useful since co-workers need to be able to see information as it shows up on my screen.
[23:28] <Schuenemann> kemal, I was looking for the command find something
[23:28] <shoklowitz> However when the screen blanks out every few minutes, it's a problem.
[23:28] <kemal> ok Schuenemann sorry
[23:28] <shoklowitz> Schuenemann: http://www.perpetualpc.net/srtd_commands_rev.html
[23:28] <shoklowitz> Hope that helps
[23:29] <tyfon> hmm.. for console its setterm -blank 0 to disable the blanking of screen.. but im not sure if that is what blanks X screens too :p
[23:29] <kemal> shoklowitz:
[23:29] <kemal> i can do that you said with "science" screensaver
[23:30] <kemal> in screensaver settings
[23:30] <shoklowitz> science, is it part of the default screensaver package, or is it something else?
[23:30] <shoklowitz> Lemme look at it
[23:30] <kemal> default
[23:31] <Schuenemann> shoklowitz, how about recursively
[23:31] <kemal> if you cannot solve a problem, you can wlak aorund it ;)
[23:31] <kemal> walk around
[23:31] <kemal> hope that helps
[23:32] <shoklowitz> Scheunemann: explain
[23:32] <Schuenemann> shoklowitz, find in subdirectories
[23:33] <shoklowitz> You need the command to scan subdirectories as well?
[23:34] <shoklowitz> kemal: the science screensaver blurs the background.
[23:34] <Schuenemann> shoklowitz, yes...
[23:34] <shoklowitz> also, I don't think it displays any changes happening on the desktop
[23:34] <shoklowitz> Let me look that up for you Schuenemann
[23:34] <psyke83> hi, I'm maintaining a guide on the forums and I need to verify - does Kubuntu 8.04 come installed with PulseAudio?
[23:35] <kemal> shoklowitz: click on the setup for science screensaver and decrease minimum for "motion"
[23:36] <BluesKaj> shoklowitz, try unchecking the "start automatically" box in System Settings/Desktop/ Screensaver
[23:36] <kemal> your co-workers can see your desktop but anyone cannot be change anything if you set a password for SS to stop it
[23:37] <shoklowitz> BluesKaj: It's already unchecked.
[23:37] <kemal> because of kscreensaver package installed
[23:37] <kemal> remove it
[23:37] <BluesKaj> aha
[23:38] <kemal> is it correct? i am not sure :)
[23:38] <shoklowitz> I have a utility for that kemal, it's called xtrlock. I had already changed the motion settings, the background is obscured in color as part of the screensaver. Moreover, this is not a screensaver problem.
[23:39] <joe__> when I change my ip to static it just doesnt connect to my router anymore... why?
[23:39] <shoklowitz> Maybe you're using a dynamic service?
[23:40] <kemal> shoklowitz: it may be a reason: your video card driver
[23:40] <shoklowitz> Oh wait, you're router.
[23:40] <joe__> it was possible in windows
[23:40] <joe__> I had the same problem in ubuntu too
[23:41] <shoklowitz> My bad, you should be able to set your IP to whatever you want, as long as your router gets to handle your identity dynamically
[23:41] <kemal> shoklowitz: displayconfig-gtk
[23:41] <kemal> try it maybe helps
[23:42] <kemal> Screens and Graphics
[23:42] <kemal> Rank:
[23:42] <kemal> Package: displayconfig-gtkSimple tool to change xserver settings
[23:42] <kemal> Simple gtk tool to change xserver settings like graphics card driver or monitor.
[23:42] <kemal> It uses the guidance backend to manipulate the xorg.conf.
[23:42] <kemal> rank: four stars from users
[23:43] <kemal> bye for now
[23:44] <joe__> i has problemz
[23:45] <BluesKaj> what's with is this "my bad" BS , please speak English ,not ghettoese
[23:45] <joe__> dude
[23:46] <joe__> I change my ip to static instead dhcp, and it doesnt give me any ip at all
[23:59] <pulaski> Hi I run hardy 8.04. I'm trying to install a third party beta driver for my Sound Blaster X-Fi card. I've read that on 2.6 kernels the ALSA source include directory is "parsed automatically from the running kernel" if is is in the standart place.  I need to confirm that the path to the ALSA source include directory is in the standard location.  Does anyone know the absolute path to the ALSA source inlude direcoctory?


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