[09:39] <staticactivity> |trey|: yeah i just want to copy some files, thanks
[09:40] <Lv> ...as a gentoo dev, i take offense to that statement
[09:40] <|trey|> staticactivity: should be fine  :)
[09:40] <|trey|> Lv: no one cares   ;)
[09:40] <Lv> :P
[09:40] <dickm[coding] > aaagh
[09:40] <Nomad>  gkrellm
[09:41] <staticactivity> hey one more question, how can i change the default keybinding to emacs
[09:41] <|trey|> Lv: Gentoo's fine... this is #ubuntu though... y'all did very well with docs, and thought it would be helpful to him  :)
[09:41] <staticactivity> i remember gnome 2.6 having an option in 'Keyboard Shortcuts'
[09:41] <|trey|> staticactivity: afaik, you have to do it via gconf now  :/
[09:41] <a> "Gentoo's fine"  <--- not another opinion is it ?
[09:42] <Lv> 0.o
[09:42] <opi> no flame wars, please
[09:42] <opi> Gentoo's fine, Ubuntu's fine, Window's fine
[09:42] <|trey|> staticactivity: look through google, I forget the exact place to change it...
[09:43] <staticactivity> |trey|: gconf-editor?
[09:43] <|trey|> staticactivity: yeah, cept google can tell you were to look more specifically  :)
[09:43] <staticactivity> |trey|: okay, i'll check it out, thanks
[09:44] <jgeorgeson> can the ubuntu installer specify ssid and 128bit wep keys?
[09:45] <|trey|> jgeorgeson: no idea... #debian-boot
[09:45] <|trey|> I think thats the right channel for debian-installer questions...
[09:45] <Sirius_Black> guys - i just did a basic ubunut install and i tired to apt-cache search kernel-source.  i got nothing :-(
[09:46] <|trey|> jgeorgeson: yeah, please type /j #debian-boot  - its the same installer  :)
[09:46] <Sirius_Black> what do i need to add to sources.list to get <IP_ADDRESS>-2-386 kernel sourse
[09:46] <|trey|> Sirius_Black: absolutly nothing
[09:46] <dredg> Sirius_Black: linux-source
[09:46] <linux_mafia> Sirius_Black, what arch you on?
[09:46] <|trey|> dredg: he said what does he need in sources.list, its in main  :/
[09:46] <Sirius_Black> dredg: i thought it was kernel-source
[09:47] <Sirius_Black> linux_mafia: 1586
[09:47] <|trey|> Sirius_Black: wrong again, making a habbit of that aren't you
[09:47] <Sirius_Black> **linux_mafia: i586
[09:47] <jgeorgeson> |trey| no need to say it twice, i'm currently waiting for their response. :)
[09:47] <dredg> |trey|: yes, but the package is 'linux-source' not 'kernel-source'
[09:47] <Sirius_Black> dredg: cheers mate
[09:47] <|trey|> jgeorgeson: ahh... sorry, checked myself  :)
[09:47] <linux_mafia> holy hell, do we need to join #anger_management
[09:48] <|trey|> dredg: still didn't answer his question... :/
[09:48] <jgeorgeson> linux_mafia: screw you ...;)
[09:48] <|trey|> linux_mafia: I see no anger  :/
[09:48] <Sirius_Black> dredg: ahh yes - apt-get install linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS> seams to work :-))
[09:48] <|trey|> *coughseemscough*
[09:49] <dredg> |trey|: if he just did a "basic ubunut install" the he wouldnt have to add *anything* to his sources.list
[09:49] <linux_mafia> ubunut, heh
[09:49] <dredg> direct copy & paste from above :)
[09:49] <linux_mafia> i am well aware of that :)
[09:50] <linux_mafia> its 8.50 am here, just opened a bottle of champagne, life is good
[09:50] <octalc0de> i can't find my coffee
[09:50] <octalc0de> >:(
[09:50] <dredg> coffee shmoffee :)
[09:51] <|trey|> octalc0de: I drank it... my bad  :o
[09:51] <linux_mafia> what about champagne?
[09:51] <linux_mafia> dredg, you like that?
[09:51] <|trey|> linux_mafia: fucking alcoholic  ;)
[09:51] <dredg> cant drink alcohol :) medication says not to :)
[09:52] <|trey|> dredg: what medication? anything decent?  ;)
[09:52] <linux_mafia> |trey|, i am actually
[09:52] <dredg> christ, no coffee, no alcohol and i just gave up cigarettes. how fucking boring did i get? :)
[09:52] <|trey|> linux_mafia: ahh, sorry man, just playing  :/
[09:52] <linux_mafia> |trey|, thats all good
[09:52] <LinuxJones> watch the language please guys
[09:52] <jgeorgeson> |trey|: no straight forward answer, but I think they said yes
[09:52] <linux_mafia> what language
[09:53] <|trey|> LinuxJones: bah, there are no business people here... chill
[09:53] <linux_mafia> oh swearing
[09:53] <LinuxJones> |trey|, how do you know that ?
[09:53] <linux_mafia> i got banned from #fedora for swearing to much
[09:53] <|trey|> LinuxJones: because I looked through the list  :/
[09:54] <linux_mafia> there could be priests or small children
[09:54] <jgeorgeson> linux_mafia: and |trey| and I need anger management ...
[09:54] <|trey|> linux_mafia: good job... I got banned cuz I proved |Jef| wrong, and he didn't like it...
[09:54] <joem> hopefully not both...
[09:54] <|trey|> jgeorgeson: I have no anger..
[09:54] <jgeorgeson> |trey| no need to bite my head off
[09:54] <|trey|> jgeorgeson: I didn't  :/
[09:55] <|trey|> jgeorgeson: caps = yelling... you see any caps?
[09:55] <jgeorgeson> |trey|, i know, i thought it was funny when linux_mafia mentioned it earlier, and be driving the joke into the ground
[09:55] <linux_mafia> |trey| why you hate messaging?
[09:56] <fragment> Hey, what's the default permissions for /tmp?
[09:56] <|trey|> linux_mafia: because I don't know you, and have no desire to... anything you have to say should be fine via /notice or in the channel...
[09:56] <|trey|> fragment: 777 usually...
[09:57] <fragment> I always forget and butcher my /tmp ownership and permissions when I run the java install.
[09:57] <crimsun> 777 and +t
[09:57] <fragment> Java or Citrix....
[09:57] <linux_mafia> |trey|, whatever, just cause i was swearing, but if you have that attitude then sweet, you can eat a d**k up
[09:57] <|trey|> crimsun: hmm, whats t?
[09:57] <crimsun> sticky
[09:57] <crimsun> drwxrwxrwt-
[09:58] <fragment> and ownership?
[09:58] <|trey|> linux_mafia: and you're wondering why you were banned from #fedora...
[09:58] <crimsun> root:root
[09:58] <fragment> Great!  Thanks!
[09:58] <linux_mafia> no i never wondered
[09:58] <|trey|> linux_mafia: personal attacks are a pretty good way to get banned from any channel
[09:59] <menator> Just wondering before I make the switch, does ubuntu have packages for mono?
[09:59] <linux_mafia> thaw, whats up?
[09:59] <joem> please take it somewhere else guys
[09:59] <|trey|> menator: in universe I believe...
[09:59] <thaw> Nothing.
[09:59] <joem> menator, there is an unofficial mono repo
[10:00] <linux_mafia> thaw, sweet, just that you were versioning me
[10:00] <plangent> What do folks have against perl anyhow?
[10:00] <linux_mafia> jgeorgeson, later man
[10:00] <fragment> Also, I'm dual-booting this laptop, which means the system clock is set to local time.  I didn't see that option in the time and date settings, and was wondering if there's a selection in the GUI somewhere.
[10:00] <plangent> Just because python is new and shiny?
[10:01] <darksatanic> plangent: It's because far too many people take the phrase "there's more than one way to do it" as a commandment, not a dire warning...
[10:01] <|trey|> plangent: umm, the devs for ubuntu just like python better apparently... most distro's do...
[10:01] <plangent> Ok
[10:01] <fragment> plangent, ophiciophobic?
[10:01] <linux_mafia> menator, http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs
[10:01] <ndowens> hey
[10:01] <mendel> I am have trouble with apt-get update. I keep getting a failed to fetch Packages.gz Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1). Is there a problem with the repo or do I need to do something to fix.
[10:02] <ndowens> it's a bad apt source mendel
[10:02] <|trey|> mendel: check sources.list.. something is typed wrong
[10:02] <t35t0r> so what makes ubuntu different from deb?
[10:02] <ndowens> it's the first apt source in sources.list that is bad i think
[10:02] <ndowens> it's based on sid t35t0r
[10:02] <ndowens> newest stuff
[10:02] <menator> linux_mafia: thx
[10:03] <linux_mafia> no worries
[10:03] <crimsun> actually it's probably your catching the repo when Packages.gz is being regenerated (as it is every 30 minutes); try again in 5 minutes, menator
[10:03] <|trey|> t35t0r: regular updates, supported sid... desktop targeting... all changes go back to debian... debian developers involved, but also easy entry for newer devs...
[10:03] <ndowens> another guy had the same problem, the other time and removing the first source solved the problem
[10:03] <crimsun> the first source is usually the cd
[10:04] <ndowens> well the first internet source
[10:05] <ndowens> mendel try # the first internet source in sources.list
[10:05] <mendel> I will check it now.
[10:05] <ndowens> k
[10:05] <|trey|> ahh... request, if there are devs around... any chance you could put a timeout on ntp lookup? doesn't appear to work here, and it never moves on till I hit ctrl+c  :/
[10:06] <opi> |trey|: how about & at the end?
[10:07] <|trey|> opi: its during boot  :/
[10:07] <opi> |trey|: so?
[10:08] <|trey|> opi: so backgrounding it will do jack shit  :/
[10:08] <opi> |trey|: text_editor /etc/rc.d/file
[10:08] <jamesdorn> hazmat: you available?
[10:08] <opi> |trey|: do you denpend on NTP?
[10:08] <hazmat> jamesdorn, yup
[10:08] <|trey|> opi: it will still stall the boot process  :/
[10:08] <|trey|> opi: no
[10:08] <jamesdorn> hazmat: I downloaded that iso, and still having the same problem
[10:08] <jamesdorn> on two diffrent machines.
[10:08] <hazmat> hmmm
[10:09] <jamesdorn> you think there could be a bug in the iso's?
[10:09] <jamesdorn> When they are mounted Disk Utility says 'A background process did not start correctly"
[10:09] <hazmat> i don't think so... i didn't have any problems.. and i haven't heard of any others either on the list or here.
[10:09] <opi> |trey|: if you make NTP go background, it won't lock script anymore, yes?
[10:09] <jamesdorn> hrm.
[10:09] <hazmat> jamesdorn, out of curosity what version of mac ?
[10:09] <|trey|> opi: are you a dev? if no, my question was not for you.
[10:10] <jamesdorn> OS X 10.3.3
[10:10] <hazmat> wacky
[10:10] <jamesdorn> yeah
[10:10] <hazmat> jamesdorn, have you burned iso on osx before?
[10:10] <jamesdorn> on my powerbook and this powermac
[10:10] <jamesdorn> hazmat: Yes sir. all the time.
[10:10] <fragment> Hey punkass
[10:10] <Exasparilla> jamesdorn: how do you do that? burn the iso?
[10:11] <cowbud> is there some kinda system update applet for ubuntu that I am not seeing or  is it drop to cmd line and apt-get ?
[10:11] <hazmat> well... the other option is having a cd sent out to you
[10:11] <Exasparilla> offtopic, i know
[10:11] <hazmat> cowbud, synaptic
[10:11] <opi> |trey|: so I should shut up?
[10:11] <LinuxJones> cowbud, you can run synaptic
[10:11] <|trey|> jamesdorn: why not just use Fink on OS X? still Debian package management tools...
[10:11] <jamesdorn> Normally, i'll ether mount the image and selected it in Disk Utility and select 'Burn' or click Burn Image from the menu, and select it from the file list
[10:11] <hazmat> computer -> system configuration -> package manager
[10:11] <|trey|> opi: please  :)
[10:11] <guptan> how can I get basic devel tools for ubuntu (like gcc and all)
[10:11] <crimsun> |trey|: that's awfully rude.
[10:11] <|trey|> guptan: apt-get install build-essential
[10:11] <opi> |trey|: that's not very nice, but ok, as you wish
[10:12] <Exasparilla> jamesdorn: Ah. Thanks.  I had to do that and I don't know my way around osx
[10:12] <|trey|> crimsun: he asked  :/
[10:12] <guptan> thanks |trey|
[10:12] <hazmat> jamesdorn, normally i don't mount the image, i just use disk image to select the image after popping in a cd
[10:12] <crimsun> |trey|: you do realise that you're better off filing on bugzilla?
[10:12] <hazmat> er. disk utility
[10:12] <jamesdorn> |trey|: I would, but even Toast wont burn the iso correctly
[10:12] <jamesdorn> |trey|: So I think it's the ISO
[10:13] <hazmat> i've had problems with toast and burning iso, disk utility tends to work better for me.
[10:13] <|trey|> jamesdorn: tried just cdrecord? <IP_ADDRESS> breaks cd burning...
[10:13] <jamesdorn> hazmat: Disk Utility will crash if I do that... 'Unexpectly'
[10:13] <|trey|> jamesdorn: need to be root to get all burn commands
[10:13] <hazmat> jamesdorn, if you don't have the image mounted
[10:13] <jamesdorn> |trey|: No.
[10:13] <hazmat> and you pop in a cd, fire up disk utility and select the image for burning .. does that work?
[10:13] <guptan> is there any difference b'ween gcc 3.2 blackdown java and blackdown java
[10:13] <Suit> Hi, is there a channel dedicated to the powerpc version?
[10:13] <jamesdorn> hazmat: Disk Utility crashes when I select the image.
[10:14] <|trey|> jamesdorn: as root (so sudo -s) 'cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc --speed=<something> --data file.iso'
[10:14] <dredg> jamesdorn: are the md5sums the same?
[10:14] <|trey|> jamesdorn: tell me if that works  :)
[10:14] <jamesdorn> dredg: here'
[10:14] <TdC_VgA> does ubuntu ask for a root password at install?
[10:14] <crimsun> no
[10:14] <jamesdorn> dredg: here's the problem. If I run 'md5 <iso name>' the computer has no output. it just sits there.
[10:14] <LinuxJones> TdC_VgA, no
[10:14] <TdC_VgA> cause i dont remember it asking, and i sure dont know what i typed if it did
[10:15] <TdC_VgA> excellent
[10:15] <crimsun> it configures your user account for sudo access
[10:15] <|trey|> crimsun: I suppose, I never check back to bugzilla though, so I would get no feedback incase there is a valid reason I might want to know about...
[10:15] <Exasparilla> Does ubuntu have advantages over Debian if one doesn't intend to run gnome?
[10:15] <dredg> jamesdorn: well, it does take a while to md5sum an iso
[10:15] <hazmat> jamesdorn, other than trying |trey|'s suggestion.. the ubuntu team (canonical) can send you a cd free of charge http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org/
[10:15] <TdC_VgA> so when i do an apt-get update -u it shouldnt give me any problems?
[10:15] <t35t0r> if i build an athlon64 box for $1k can i get a similarly configured mac box for the same price?
[10:15] <|trey|> hazmat: I requested one of those, and have yet to receive it...
[10:15] <Suit> No
[10:16] <spoonyG> selecting synaptic from gnome menu asks for root pass... what is it?>
[10:16] <crimsun> no
[10:16] <crimsun> definitely not, t35t0r
[10:16] <TdC_VgA> mac box for 1k?
[10:16] <|trey|> spoonyG: no, it asks for YOUR password... its gksudo not gksu
[10:16] <jamesdorn> hazmat: the free shipment is i386 only
[10:16] <TdC_VgA> ummm MAYBE an apple two
[10:16] <LinuxJones> spoonyG, it is asking for your user password
[10:16] <jamesdorn> I need to install cdrecord
[10:16] <t35t0r> hah
[10:16] <dredg> actually, the irish LUG agm is ina  couple weeks. must grab some cds from shipit
[10:16] <spoonyG> doh!
[10:16] <spoonyG> thanks
[10:16] <t35t0r> i can't find any links comparing say a G5 to an athlon 64 3200+
[10:17] <mendel> still got problems with apt-get update. I tried two different repos and still get gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data -- crc error for the main packages
[10:17] <TdC_VgA> nhard to compare
[10:17] <|trey|> When are the shipit requests getting sent out? during final release?
[10:17] <jamesdorn> so slow... 39 sec for 16.9mb
[10:18] <absurdhero> who is funding ubuntu?
[10:18] <|trey|> mendel: what does the repo state? (copy paste line from sources.list)
[10:18] <cowbud> hrmm you would think that having a applet that automatically looks for updates would be better for the target audience of ubuntu..
[10:18] <LinuxJones> absurdhero, canonical
[10:18] <|trey|> absurdhero: some australian  :)
[10:18] <TdC_VgA> whats root terminal actually do then?\
[10:18] <absurdhero> so its privately funded?
[10:18] <opi> AberMatt: mob ;)
[10:18] <|trey|> TdC_VgA: 'sudo -s', roots environment
[10:18] <topyli> |trey|: south african actually
[10:18] <absurdhero> was wondering, because ubuntu sure is spending a lot of money and I don't see a donation box :)
[10:18] <LinuxJones> absurdhero, ya for the most part
[10:18] <jensens> mendel: with debian it helped me to do remove the broken deb from /var/cache/apt/archives/
[10:18] <|trey|> topyli: I was close  :)
[10:19] <topyli> ummm... ok :)
[10:19] <opi> it's time to catch some Zzz's
[10:19] <LinuxJones> absurdhero, I would like to send the guys a few dollars too
[10:19] <hazmat> jamesdorn, are you in the states? if so i'll send you one
[10:19] <TdC_VgA> interesting
[10:20] <jamesdorn> hazmat: Yeah, but let me try things first... I might just do that.
[10:20] <|trey|> jamesdorn: haha... you got the right version for Panther right?  ;)
[10:20] <TdC_VgA> so once i've run the updates through synaptic i should a smooth mouse? heh
[10:20] <timetraveller> i think mark shuttleworth is funding the ubunto version of linux
[10:20] <jamesdorn> |trey|: well, just got it from macupdate... didnt look
[10:20] <|trey|> timetraveller: we already covered that  ;)
[10:20] <jamesdorn> ill get it from their website
[10:20] <timetraveller> sorry
[10:20] <timetraveller> :)
[10:21] <t35t0r> i don't know about the verity of this http://spl.haxial.net/apple-powermac-G5/
[10:21] <wsx> Does anybody know what to do to get a 5.1 speakerset to work? I have 3 connectors for my onboard sound: lineout/speaker, linein and mic. In WinXP I can switch the linein and mic connectors to be outgoing for rear speakers & subwoofer. How can I do that in UBUTU?
[10:21] <timetraveller> what is the plan with the development?
[10:21] <t35t0r> but it looks legit
[10:21] <mendel> the sources.list is as follows. deb http://mirror.isp.net.au/ftp/pub/ubuntu warty main restricted
[10:21] <|trey|> timetraveller: thats kinda a broud question...
[10:21] <TdC_VgA> ubuntu is damn nice... too bad you cant auto install the Broadcom drives.. stupid broadcom
[10:21] <timetraveller> i mean for which home / corporate users is it intended
[10:22] <hazmat> timetraveller, there is some docs on the website, different teams are being together at the moment to focus on the different areas
[10:22] <timetraveller> what is its advantages over other versions on the market today?
[10:22] <hazmat> timetraveller, desktop usage, institutional usage, fairly close python integration.
[10:22] <linux_mafia> jamesdorn, what are you trying to install?
[10:23] <hazmat> timetraveller, have you tried it?
[10:23] <|trey|> mendel: remove the word "restricted" from the line... they don't appear to distribute it...
[10:23] <jamesdorn> linux_mafia: The PPC version of Ubuntu
[10:23] <timetraveller> i could never understand the philosophy about open source and its advantages. sorry about my ignorance - could someone please enlighten me
[10:23] <jamesdorn> linux_mafia: having trouble burning the iso
[10:23] <topyli> timetraveller: i guess you need to visit the ubuntu website. it has all the info you are asking
[10:23] <linux_mafia> jamesdorn, yeah, but what were you using fink for?
[10:23] <jamesdorn> to get cdrecord
[10:24] <linux_mafia> jamesdorn, you could try darwinports instead
[10:24] <|trey|> linux_mafia: the packages are the same   :/
[10:24] <LinuxJones> timetraveller, it's about freedom of choice
[10:24] <|trey|> linux_mafia: look up "metapkg"
[10:24] <timetraveller> i mean why give away software for free
[10:25] <lml> Is Mplayer avaia
[10:25] <timetraveller> it goes against all business principles
[10:25] <lml> Is Mplayer available for Ubuntu in some other format than doing a compile from source?
[10:25] <mendel> trey: I have remove "restricted" still no luck. Seem to be main that has the problem.
[10:25] <LinuxJones> timetraveller, because people want to, it is in the spirit of giving and who says you cannot make money by giving away software ?
[10:25] <linux_mafia> |trey|, so its just the method? an apt vs bsd style ports?
[10:25] <plovs> lml, see http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions under dvd-stuff
[10:26] <timetraveller> :)
[10:26] <|trey|> timetraveller: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/why-free.html
[10:26] <timetraveller> it is sales that fund investment
[10:26] <lml> plovs: Thanx.
[10:26] <timetraveller> :)
[10:26] <|trey|> linux_mafia: umm... kinda... darwinports, fink, and gentoo all work together, you pick the method for getting the software...
[10:27] <LinuxJones> timetraveller, you can charge for professional support
[10:27] <jamesdorn> linux_mafia: thanks
[10:27] <linux_mafia> |trey|, its just i have a friend who is an osx nut, he was ranting but i wasn't really listening, about why he thought darwinports was better than fink
[10:27] <timetraveller> i can understand why microsoft should share its code, but never give it away for free: that's my view at this moment
[10:28] <hazmat> timetraveller, the vast majority of the big name computer companies make way, way more on support and services then product costs
[10:28] <hazmat> with the exception of msoft
[10:28] <hazmat> which is a monopoly..
[10:28] <hazmat> ie.. oracle, ibm, etc.
[10:29] <hazmat> all make more on services and support then on pure licensing/product fees
[10:29] <linux_mafia> jamesdorn, why?
[10:29] <jamesdorn> linux_mafia: Darwin Ports requires dev tools
[10:29] <linux_mafia> oh
[10:29] <jamesdorn> linux_mafia: I do not wish to install it... i'll just wait for the cd's in the mail
[10:29] <|trey|> timetraveller: basically, its to protect the users - if microsoft went out of business tomorrow, all their software would disappear... its also to allow other devels to customize things themselves, maybe a software doesn't do what you need exactly right, why not customize it?
[10:29] <TdC_VgA> anyway to turn on window locking in gnome? similar to KDEs?
[10:30] <hazmat> TdC_VgA, define locking?
[10:30] <linux_mafia> jamesdorn, sorry, im not a mac guy, just a friend who is was telling me about them
[10:30] <plovs> TdC_VgA, always on top?
[10:30] <jamesdorn> linux_mafia: I am sure it was good advice... but dev tools take several min. to install... I am tired
[10:30] <linux_mafia> TdC_VgA, computer -> lock screen
[10:30] <TdC_VgA> umm, where i can dock them next to each other, using their bounds
[10:30] <|trey|> timetraveller: these are freedoms that RMS believes should go without being said... he believes software should be shared, and everyone should have full rights to do whatever they want with the software...
[10:30] <jamesdorn> =) thanks
[10:31] <timetraveller> RMS?
[10:31] <linux_mafia> richard stallman
[10:31] <topyli> timetraveller: free software means free market. proprietary means trying to become a monopoly.
[10:31] <|trey|> timetraveller: they don't say you have to give the software away... it specifically notes you should be able to charge... but he says you should still have full rights to do whatever you want with it...
[10:31] <TdC_VgA> ummm... i mean snap them next to each other..
[10:32] <hazmat> timetraveller, its a fundamentally better software development model
[10:32] <linux_mafia> TdC_VgA, hah, yeah i realised afterwards
[10:32] <linux_mafia> TdC_VgA, not sure sorry
[10:32] <TdC_VgA> hmmm... in KDE i can roll up a window.. then roll up another one.. then snap the 2nd rolled up one beneth the 1st one. heh
[10:32] <|trey|> hazmat: that has been debated since software has been around  :/
[10:32] <timetraveller> :)
[10:32] <TdC_VgA> just makes it really easy on my anal retentive nerves to dock windows in a nice way heheheh
[10:32] <hazmat> that harnesses the power of the internet and modern communication infrastructure
[10:32] <|trey|> whether or not its better, the freedoms should still be there...
[10:33] <linux_mafia> TdC_VgA, im a bit like that too, ;)
[10:33] <hazmat> |trey|, true
[10:33] <timetraveller> perhaps i should ask: who would fund ubuntu if individuals like mr. shuttleworth didn't fund it.
[10:33] <cowbud> wow anyone have the issue of updating and then not being able to log in to gnome? Ohh look after 5 minutes the Ubuntu screen came up..
[10:33] <hazmat> timetraveller, right now no one.
[10:33] <TdC_VgA> love to have my gaim windows snapped to their parent heh
[10:33] <hazmat> timetraveller, i'd go back to messing with gentoo and conary if ubuntu wasn't around.
[10:34] <linux_mafia> hazmat, conary?
[10:34] <|trey|> timetraveller: Debian is not funded in any way... there are very few sponsored devels even... everyone helps each other though...
[10:34] <hazmat> timetraveller, but it ubuntu is really, really new
[10:34] <hazmat> like only a few months old
[10:34] <timetraveller> really
[10:34] <timetraveller> is it one of shuttleworths upstart projects?
[10:35] <TdC_VgA> linux_mafia: i've updated everything, but my mouse is still pretty jumpy.. any suggestions?
[10:35] <|trey|> timetraveller: Debian is renowned as being one of the most stable distro's around... so many intelligent minds all working for nothing... amazing...
[10:35] <hazmat> linux_mafia, new distro and package management take, based on applying scm concepts to package management, sort of like arch for your package management, making it easy to create custom distros and track local changes across an organization.. being done by several of the original developers @ redhat
[10:35] <timetraveller> i like the company name: Canonical it sounds awesome
[10:35] <timetraveller> but what does it mean?
[10:35] <linux_mafia> hazmat, yeah just googled, being lazy, heh
[10:35] <hazmat> all written in python of course.. is canonical..
[10:35] <|trey|> timetraveller: Shuttleworth finances services coupled with the Ubuntu software... so you can use the product in a business safely...
[10:36] <hazmat> er.. i mean conary.
[10:36] <|trey|> timetraveller: dictionary.com
[10:36] <linux_mafia> TdC_VgA, computer -> desktop prefs -> mouse
[10:36] <topyli> timetraveller: ubuntu basically takes debian (which is free) and supports it. grossly oversimplified, but something like that.
[10:37] <|trey|>  Of or belonging to a cathedral chapter. <-- my favorate deffinition, in the "Cathedral and Bazaa" sense  :)
[10:37] <timetraveller> so many businesses can use it?
[10:37] <TdC_VgA> linux_mafia: yeah doesnt seem to change too much.. guess i'll just have to beat it some more heheh
[10:37] <linux_mafia> hmmm
[10:37] <|trey|> timetraveller: yes... Canonical itself is using Debian's software under the same means...
[10:38] <|trey|> timetraveller: even Red Hat distributes SRPMS of there enterprise software...
[10:38] <|trey|> timetraveller: they are forced to via the license...
[10:38] <tehmiller> EVEN redhat?
[10:38] <topyli> ooh
[10:39] <tehmiller> you make it sound like they're evil?
[10:39] <|trey|> tehmiller: they are successful... figured it would make it more clear  :/
[10:39] <tehmiller> making sure
[10:39] <Timamuk> I have a problem with Ubuntu, possiblly some one here can assist me.
[10:39] <topyli> possibly :)
[10:39] <|trey|> tehmiller: umm, they are in my eyes... although they do do great things in the community...
[10:39] <LinuxJones> Timamuk, shoot
[10:40] <tehmiller> why are they evil? because they can sucessfully make a distro aimed at the corporate market? because they provide excellent support for their software?
[10:40] <|trey|> tehmiller: for instance, they just purchased some things from AOL... when they are released, I would bet money they will push it over OpenLDAP, and yet another OSS project will be pushed to the backburners  :/
[10:40] <Timamuk> I have seen this before with  the eepro100 drivers and this machine.  I need it to load the e100 driver instead.  I cannot find the option in module.conf, where can I set this?
[10:40] <steveod> my school recently made a deal w/redhat and students get free licenses of redhat as or ws
[10:41] <morteoh> Kiandra17hi == spambot
[10:41] <steveod> it isn't bad just the gui stuff will trash your config files if you are not careful
[10:41] <tehmiller> its their company, their money, their software
[10:41] <SoNiC> hey
[10:41] <topyli> Timamuk: can you load the module with modprobe?
[10:41] <|trey|> tehmiller: but the way they go about directing the OSS community is wrong imo...
[10:41] <LinuxJones> Timamuk, you can add the module name to /etc/modules
[10:42] <SoNiC> how do I get the nvidia kernel module working with an AMD64 build of ubuntu?
[10:42] <|trey|> tehmiller: they are one company that doesn't appear to care much about technical merit, they just care what is best for them...
[10:42] <tehmiller> lol
[10:42] <SoNiC> how do I get the nvidia kernel module working with an AMD64 build of ubuntu?
[10:42] <tehmiller> give me an example of your ideal OSS company then?
[10:42] <dsfsd> what is amazing is the amount of virusses that have been attacking windows
[10:43] <|trey|> but corporate sponsors get behind what Red Hat says, so projects that aren't technically better are pushed strongly, backed with money, and technically better projects are ignored...
[10:43] <toyowheelin> I agree |trey|
[10:43] <Timamuk> well, it loads the eepro100, I have not seen a place to overide which one it loads.
[10:43] <SoNiC> is anybody using ubuntu on an AMD64 machine?
[10:43] <jamesdorn> brb
[10:43] <toyowheelin> SoNiC, I am
[10:44] <SoNiC> do u have nvidia drivers working?
[10:44] <tehmiller> so wait, youre getting pissed off at them because they are choosing to put their funding on something besides what you think is what they should do?
[10:44] <|trey|> tehmiller: Canonical, the way they are stating they will function right now, are pretty close...
[10:44] <toyowheelin> SoNiC, I have ATI
[10:44] <steveod> SoNiC, i tried it, went back to the 386 version because of nvidia stuff
[10:44] <mendel> I am also get the apt-get update error (Packages.gz gzip error) when using the main repo of deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main
[10:44] <SoNiC> hmm... ok
[10:44] <SoNiC> ty
[10:44] <|trey|> tehmiller: OSS companies should ONLY provide services...
[10:44] <tehmiller> ah, another idealist
[10:44] <SoNiC> do you notice a big performance difference between the two?
[10:45] <SoNiC> i386 and AMD64?
[10:45] <center> Seems this distro is rather active.  I'm impressed in the design, might just have to give up Gentoo for a while.  Just wanted to check and see if anyone can answer a couple of Q's for me.
[10:45] <|trey|> tehmiller: idealism is what Free Software is built on.
[10:45] <TdC_VgA> if i add a repo to synaptics should i be able to see the files automatically?
[10:45] <TdC_VgA> assuming i've pressed reload
[10:45] <steveod> SoNiC, i really use my system for desktop and games, so not really
[10:45] <toyowheelin> the 64bit version seems a bit snappyer
[10:45] <LinuxJones> center, go ahead
[10:45] <topyli> Timamuk: well, rmmod the one you don't want and modprobe the one you do want. see if it works
[10:45] <center> Thanks, LinuxJones.
[10:45] <LinuxJones> :D
[10:45] <wiler> I'm having some issues with mouse configuration. I'm using a laptop, with a touchpad, left and right buttons and an up/down rocker in the centre. The touchpad works fine, but 'down' acts as a third mouse button and 'up' does nothing. Any ideas? I've been playing about with the ZAxisMapping option but I don't seem to be getting anywhere.
[10:45] <t35t0r> i registered #ubuntu-amd64
[10:45] <dsfsd> Is there any chance I can talk to mark shuttleworth himself - what is his nick - does anyone know?
[10:46] <toyowheelin> t35t0r, really?
[10:46] <toyowheelin> cool
[10:46] <t35t0r> heh
[10:46] <t35t0r> i don't run ubuntu but ppl can use it now i guess ..
[10:46] <wiler> dsfsd: I believe his nick is sabdfl.
[10:46] <tehmiller> |trey|, touche, and yet i dont see how you can say a company is evil when they arent doing anything with outside resources, just their own
[10:46] <SoNiC> well is there anyway to get a kernel-source package for the AMD64 ver.?
[10:46] <SoNiC> so I can build the driver with the nvidia binary?
[10:46] <t35t0r> SoNiC: kernel source is kernel source
[10:46] <dsfsd> does he ever visit this channel?
[10:47] <center> 1st, is there a way to load the ppd files for gimp-print, foomatic, etc?  I have an epson CX-5200 and have no luck getting it to work with the drivers listed.  Under Gentoo I had to explicity flag ppds to get it to work.
[10:47] <t35t0r> sonic: it's not specific for any CPU
[10:47] <SoNiC> ic
[10:47] <t35t0r> sonic: kernel.org
[10:47] <wiler> dsfsd: Actually, let me check that.
[10:47] <t35t0r> also join #ubuntu-amd64 if you want
[10:47] <SoNiC> so I type apt-get install kernel-source ?
[10:47] <SoNiC> or what?
[10:47] <LinuxJones> center, you mean in cups ?
[10:47] <dsfsd> !seen sabdfl
[10:47] <center> yes, LJ
[10:47] <steveod> center, can't you just go to linuxprinting.org and download the necessry ppd
[10:47] <t35t0r> sonic: or you can go to kernel.org and download it yourself
[10:47] <neighborlee> anyone know whats up with getting those VFS: ext3 partition not found'' errror even though I use reiserfs ??
[10:47] <linux_mafia> dsfsd, its "the_big_shuttle"
[10:48] <LinuxJones> center, sure you can via web interface
[10:48] <|trey|> tehmiller: they are though... IBM, HP, Dell, all are going by what Red Hat is doing to guide there own involvment...
[10:48] <t35t0r> sonic: and then tar zxvf file in /usr/src
[10:49] <|trey|> tehmiller: most corporate companies base what they are doing by what redhat is doing...
[10:49] <toyowheelin> |trey|, thats true but its not just Red Hat its also Suse that has that power too
[10:49] <tehmiller> |trey|, they are just going by what they see as the most successful company, or most potially successful company
[10:49] <tehmiller> it says something about the idealism of services only
[10:49] <|trey|> toyowheelin: I will argue that by stating "Novell Linux Desktop"...
[10:49] <center> Ok, will check it out again.  2nd, wanted to see how compatible the packages of ubuntu were to Debian's packages.  ie, could I add, let's say Sarge to my apt repositories to add mplayer or some other software pieces?
[10:50] <toyowheelin> ahh
[10:50] <|trey|> tehmiller: but they are not looking into things from a technical possition, just thinking about money  :/
[10:50] <steveod> center, you can just select the universe repos via synaptic
[10:50] <LinuxJones> center, it's not recommended but we have the universe repository which has lots of good stuff in it
[10:50] <steveod> for mplayer there is a specific repo
[10:50] <t35t0r> all this apt-getting and emerging is leaving people dumb
[10:51] <tehmiller> yes, heaven forbid they think of keeping their company afloat in the distater that is tried to pass off as an economy
[10:51] <|trey|> t35t0r: because compiling enlightens people so much more?
[10:51] <t35t0r> people don't know commands or don't know what to look for
[10:51] <kaplanfx> t35t0r: then would you say apt-ger remove makes people smarter?
[10:51] <kaplanfx> apt-get rather
[10:51] <kaplanfx> obviously its not working on me :)
[10:51] <kaplanfx> or how about apt-get -P
[10:51] <azeem> t35t0r: people should get work done, not spend time figuring out their system
[10:51] <festis_> center, mplayer can be found in this repo: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[10:51] <|trey|> kaplanfx: install debfoster
[10:51] <t35t0r> i'm not even talking about binaries vs source ..i'm just saying people wouldn't know what to without any sort of package manager
[10:51] <TdC_VgA> whats with the firefox icon? why isnt it the default?
[10:52] <kaplanfx> |trey|: whats that?
[10:52] <t35t0r> and nix users are becoming dumber because of it
[10:52] <|trey|> festis_: umm, you should be stating the testing repo... warty is closer to sarge...
[10:52] <center> t35t0r, excuse me.  why rebuild the car everytime you need to drive?  i know the commands.  been there done that, but sometimes you just want to enjoy the ride
[10:52] <t35t0r> they just say "blah doesn't work or this doesn't emerge
[10:52] <NewComer> anyone tried xfce 4.2 beta1?
[10:52] <|trey|> kaplanfx: install it and man debfoster
[10:52] <t35t0r> did you just listen to what i said
[10:52] <steveod> maybe not dumber but more productive, not wasting thier time installing stuff
[10:52] <t35t0r> i'm not talking about source vs binary
[10:52] <steveod> now you just have to configure things instead of worrying about just getting it installed
[10:53] <t35t0r> i'm talking about making things easy for people then when stuff breaks or won't work out of the box they don't know what to do or how to go about it manuall
[10:53] <festis_> |trey|, I think I got that repo off of the ubuntu wiki actually
[10:53] <subterrific> t35t0r: why is that bad?
[10:53] <|trey|> festis_: umm... ok... well I'm telling you sarge is closer... same glibc though, so I guess it doesn't matter right now  :/
[10:53] <t35t0r> subterrific: bleh it doesn't matter let the help channels deal with it
[10:54] <center> t35t0r, not everyone enjoys working under the hood.  why do we have mechanics.  i guess everyone should have automotive experience.
[10:54] <morteoh> hi, i have just compiled and installed my own kernel on ubuntu, but when i start up, i don't get "Starting ubuntu..."  Seems to work fine here so far
[10:54] <kaplanfx> |trey|: I dunno if I would trust a system like that
[10:54] <t35t0r> well its just my opinion, but i don't want to windowize nix
[10:55] <kaplanfx> t35t0r: windows has nothing like apt-get or emerge
[10:55] <t35t0r> i think apt-get/emerge/rpm all that is great ..but i think people should understand what is going on "under the hood"
[10:55] <|trey|> kaplanfx: no, it gets rid of packages you don't want easily...
[10:55] <toyowheelin> one thing I have noticed over the years is that windows and linx seem to be becoming more and more like eachother
[10:55] <tehmiller> it never will be, so long as we have access to the inner components
[10:55] <toyowheelin> *linux
[10:55] <Kinnison> Eefnink
[10:55] <kaplanfx> t35t0r: usually you get everything in a dir  and a setup.exe
[10:55] <hiro> hey :)
[10:55] <darksatanic> Can anyone tell me where the packages in universe were selected from?
[10:55] <subterrific> t35t0r: consider all those "dumb users" as part of a giant QA team. QA's job is to tell you when something doesn't work, not to fix it.
[10:55] <Mithrandir> darksatanic: debian main as of late June
[10:56] <hiro> just installed ubuntu on my mac, and would like to get USB audio to work...suggestions?
[10:56] <kaplanfx> toyowheelin: you are talking about from a user interface perspective, they are still very different systems
[10:56] <|trey|> darksatanic: currently, they are Debian's 'main' that Ubuntu doesn't support
[10:56] <toyowheelin> as a user
[10:56] <t35t0r> dumb users as "QA" hehe
[10:56] <subterrific> :)
[10:56] <darksatanic> Mithrandir, |trey|: Thanks -- from unstable or testing?
[10:56] <Mithrandir> darksatanic: unstable
[10:56] <|trey|> t35t0r: most here aren't really interested in QA, about 90% of ubuntu users probably just wanted to try the new GNOME
[10:57] <center> and ego users as "marketing"?
[10:57] <festis_> While at the subject of media players, anyone knows why Rhythmbox doesn't show the title of a song when listening to a radio stream?
[10:57] <kaplanfx> |trey|: heh
[10:57] <pyramid> boy ubuntu is really growing fast...there are over 232 people in room...this is climbing up to gentoo stats
[10:57] <|trey|> darksatanic: I would recommend from Sarge...
[10:57] <kaplanfx> |trey|: actually the reason I'm not switching to ubuntu from deb unstable is that I use kde and XFCE 4
[10:57] <|trey|> pyramid: not so much, that will take a while  :)
[10:57] <toyowheelin> kaplanfx, take installing for an example...remember when all the distros had commandline only install now they are almost as easy and brainless to install as windows
[10:57] <kaplanfx> pyramid: yeah but how many are using ubuntu
[10:57] <LinuxJones> kaplanfx, those are available for download
[10:57] <darksatanic> It's just that the version of mp3c in universe doesn't have a patch that went in in Debian (and upstream) some time last year.
[10:58] <|trey|> pyramid: Gentoo users get on IRC while waiting for things to compile...
[10:58] <kaplanfx> I just came in too see what the discussion was about
[10:58] <pyramid> kaplanfx, i would suspect nearly all of them are using ubuntu or else they would not be here
[10:58] <hiro> Ubuntu and USB audio, is it possible, and how?
[10:58] <steveod> hiro, yes
[10:58] <kaplanfx> LinuxJones: in the ubuntu repositories?
[10:58] <|trey|> hiro: yes... magic
[10:58] <LinuxJones> kaplanfx, yes in the universe repo
[10:58] <steveod> hiro, actually ubuntu setup my laptop automatically with the usb ignoring the onboard
[10:58] <steveod> very nice
[10:58] <TdC_VgA> gcc isnt installed by default huh?
[10:59] <kaplanfx> it looked like from ubuntus page that kde/xfce were not included as it is a gnome centric system
[10:59] <|trey|> TdC_VgA: apt-get install build-essential
[10:59] <LinuxJones> TdC_VgA, you need build-essentials
[10:59] <hiro> steveod: not on mine
[10:59] <TdC_VgA> theres a source package that wants gcc-3.3 but isnt 3.4 the newest?
[10:59] <t35t0r> pyramid: top freenode channels #gentoo 888, #debian 782, #php 369, #fedora 320, #c 310, #perl 296, #c++ 273, #slackware 257, #gentoo-dev 254, #ubuntu 231, #python2 216 (just fyi)
[10:59] <hiro> steveod: i have to say that i installed on a mac here
[10:59] <kaplanfx> what tis the default kernel for ubuntu?
[10:59] <hazmat> |trey|, heh i resemble that gentoo remark ;-)
[10:59] <pyramid> yes ubuntu is increasing very fast
[10:59] <tseng> kaplanfx: um.. linux
[10:59] <steveod> hiro, oh not sure mine was on a x86 system
[11:00] <|trey|> hazmat: ;)
[11:00] <kaplanfx> tseng: I mean version, 2.4? 2.6? <IP_ADDRESS>?
[11:00] <LinuxJones> <IP_ADDRESS>-2
[11:00] <tseng> <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:00] <hiro> hiro@hiro /proc/asound $ cat /proc/asound/cards
[11:00] <hiro> 0 [Screamer       ] : PMac Screamer - PowerMac Screamer
[11:00] <hiro>                      PowerMac Screamer Rev 0
[11:00] <|trey|> hazmat: not much else is viable while compiling things  :/
[11:00] <kaplanfx> LinuxJones: does no one realize cd burning is broken with that kernel?
[11:00] <hiro> so the sound card is not detected
[11:00] <LinuxJones> kaplanfx, yes :D
[11:00] <kaplanfx> hehe, thats a big DOH!
[11:00] <tseng> its not a vanilla kernel
[11:00] <LinuxJones> ya
[11:00] <hiro> Oct  3 14:52:51 hiro kernel: usbaudio: device 3 interface 1 altsetting 2: format 0x80000010 sratelo 6400 sratehi 48000 attributes 0x01
[11:00] <hiro> Oct  3 14:52:51 hiro kernel: usbaudio: registered dsp 14,19
[11:00] <hiro> Oct  3 14:52:52 hiro kernel: usbaudio: registered mixer 14,16
[11:00] <hiro> Oct  3 14:52:52 hiro kernel: usbaudio: registered mixer 14,32
[11:00] <hiro> Oct  3 14:52:56 hiro usb.agent[21369] :      snd-usb-audio: already loaded
[11:00] <plovs> kaplanfx, not even my burner noticed it :)
[11:01] <|trey|> kaplanfx: the installer installs linux-image-2.6-386 ... so whatever the newest 2.6 kernel is...
[11:01] <kaplanfx> but its not a release version anyhow right?
[11:01] <steveod> hiro, did you try modprobe'ing usb-sound or whatever it is
[11:01] <hiro> the kernel does seem to find it
[11:01] <LinuxJones> kaplanfx, Ubuntu is still pre-release
[11:01] <tseng> no its not.
[11:01] <kaplanfx> plovs: have you tried to burn a cd-r?
[11:01] <plovs> kaplanfx, yes cdr cdrw work ok
[11:01] <kaplanfx> plovs: other formats apperently work
[11:01] <LinuxJones> kaplanfx, there are some things still to be worked out before final
[11:01] <kaplanfx> plovs: and you have an ATA burner?
[11:01] <pyramid> well nothing much to compile today at gentoo
[11:01] <plovs> kaplanfx, yes dvd-combo
[11:01] <|trey|> kaplanfx: stop trying to help people burn things... <IP_ADDRESS> breaks cdburning...
[11:02] <Telep> does usb audio input work fine on ubuntu too?
[11:02] <hiro> steveod: snd-usb-audio is loaded
[11:02] <kaplanfx> |trey|: this guy says his works I'm just wondering how
[11:02] <|trey|> kaplanfx: you need to be root
[11:02] <pyramid> |trey|, read www.k3b.org...they say not to go past 2.6.7 at this time
[11:02] <|trey|> pyramid: I read lkml  :/
[11:02] <plovs> |trey|, kaplanfx, burning works ok, they must have patched the kernel
[11:03] <steveod> hiro, not sure what is going on, do you get sound through one and not the other?
[11:03] <|trey|> plovs: they better not have  :/
[11:03] <tseng> how about you read the changelog in the kernel sources
[11:03] <tseng> there is alot of FUD flying around from someone who hasnt even checked facts
[11:03] <kaplanfx> |trey|: hmm, yeah I was using setuid
[11:03] <|trey|> tseng: *shrug* like I said, I read the mailing list, the discussion between Linus and Alan  :/
[11:03] <hiro> steveod: yeah, i get sound through the built-in one
[11:03] <kaplanfx> |trey|: now I'm using 2.6.9-rc3 and burning works nice
[11:04] <|trey|> kaplanfx: that apparently doesn't fix it either  :/
[11:04] <TdC_VgA> gotta turn this damn multiple window thing gnome did off.. gimme my single window browsing with Ctrl+Click heh
[11:04] <plovs> tseng, where can i find the changelog?
[11:04] <tseng> plovs: in linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>
[11:04] <plovs> tseng, thanks
[11:05] <kaplanfx> does ubuntu use the debian kernel patches or its own patchset, or is it stock from kernel.org?
[11:05] <|trey|> kaplanfx: afaik, debian kernels renamed...
[11:05] <kaplanfx> |trey|: ok, thanks
[11:06] <TdC_VgA> |trey|: you can turn it on
[11:06] <|trey|> TdC_VgA: what?
[11:06] <TdC_VgA> roll up
[11:06] <|trey|> TdC_VgA: It doesn't work  :/
[11:07] <Telep> steveod: do you know if usb audio _input_ works fine on ubuntu too?
[11:07] <|trey|> Computer >> Desktop Prefences >> Windows
[11:07] <TdC_VgA> really? it does on mine.. odd
[11:07] <|trey|> Its b0rked, setting never changes  :/
[11:07] <crimsun> Telep: it sure does.
[11:07] <steveod> Telep, I don't have usb input, just output on mine
[11:07] <|trey|> maybe after I log out... but I don't  :/
[11:07] <Linuxbcn> hi
[11:07] <crimsun> Telep: i use snd-usb-audio w/ my M-Audio Transit for Skype and TeamSpeak.
[11:07] <Linuxbcn> is posibel install ubuntu ppc without macos?
[11:08] <steveod> hiro, i can't get to the machine that uses the usb setup right now, so i can't look at the alsa config
[11:08] <toyowheelin> my thumbdrive dont work, what device do I have to mount for it?
[11:08] <Telep> crimsun: ok, thanks a lot :) btw, do you use Audacity?
[11:08] <hazmat> Linuxbcn, on new world machines yes
[11:08] <crimsun> Telep: indeed.
[11:08] <pyramid> hmmm....www.linuxprinting.org is very interesting
[11:09] <hazmat> ie. if they have a openfirmware bios
[11:09] <Telep> crimsun: for some reason the fonts esp. in the menu are really tiny in Audacity. Any idea how to correct this?
[11:09] <pyramid> but anyway the epson mfc cx5400 seems to work satisfactoy with the gimp-print driver
[11:09] <steveod> hiro, i think that you need to change the usb one to 0 and the onboard to 1 in modules.conf
[11:09] <Linuxbcn> hazmat: perfect
[11:09] <Linuxbcn> is an ibook 500Mz
[11:10] <crimsun> Telep: i can't check presently, not in front of my Ubuntu workstation
[11:10] <crimsun> Telep: do any other applications exhibit similar symptoms?
[11:11] <Telep> crimsun: actually yes, Beaver editor. It seems to be related to Gtk+ but trying to change the font size with gtk-theme-switch didn't help
[11:12] <absurdhero> is anyone working on powerbook support within the project?
[11:12] <Linuxbcn> hazmat: you test this ubuntu in ppc?
[11:12] <pyramid> well nothing much to compile today on gentoo...i guess we get a break
[11:12] <absurdhero> im waiting for sleep mode support
[11:13] <Telep> crimsun: btw, does everything on you M-Audio Transit work fine? Optical out/in?
[11:13] <absurdhero> and what will become of linux on macs in the way of wireless networking?
[11:13] <kaplanfx> where can I get this "live-cd" I read about on the homepage?
[11:13] <staticactivity> how can i install my windows true type fonts
[11:14] <absurdhero> i haven't heard of anyone trying to get airport extreme to work. and i don't know how most apple laptop users are going to ever switch to linux without it
[11:14] <ike> can anyone help? i installed ubuntu on my ibm thinkpad. everything works fine exept that i can't connect to my network
[11:14] <SoNiC> how do I burn cds in ubuntu?
[11:14] <pyramid> staticactivity, well i use freetype so as not to interfere with MS patents
[11:14] <LinuxJones> kaplanfx, will not be available till later this year
[11:14] <SoNiC> there is no k3b
[11:14] <ike> wether the dhcp nor static is working
[11:14] <kaplanfx> LinuxJones: ah, thanks
[11:14] <absurdhero> ike: go to a terminal and type in /sbin/ifconfig. is there an eth0 entry?
[11:14] <staticactivity> pyramid: i think it is ok to copy fonts from a licensed copy on my system
[11:14] <ike> yes there is one
[11:14] <SoNiC> there is no k3b
[11:14] <kaplanfx> SoNiC: cdrecord, but burning is broken with the kernel version that ubuntu came with
[11:14] <SoNiC> how do I burn cds in ubuntu?
[11:15] <absurdhero> does it have an ip address?
[11:15] <SoNiC> crap
[11:15] <absurdhero> do you use dhcp on your network?
[11:15] <LinuxJones> kaplanfx, just go ahead and install it what are you waiting for :)
[11:15] <pyramid> staticactivity, well i don't know...i am not MS...but i think MS has the no reuse eula's and stuff
[11:15] <ike> i use static ip
[11:15] <kaplanfx> LinuxJones: nah I got a nice debian unstable setup here
[11:15] <ike> cant remember if there was an ip
[11:15] <absurdhero> ok, so you have set an ip?
[11:15] <ike> yes
[11:15] <kaplanfx> LinuxJones: I just want to try it out to see if I can recommend it to friends who want to switch to linux
[11:16] <absurdhero> can you connect to any other computers on your local network?
[11:16] <staticactivity> pyramid, oh ok
[11:16] <pyramid> staticactivity, i have heard that all those people who only get an oem copy of windows instead of a full retail copy are not allowed to transfer MS at all.
[11:16] <TdC_VgA> umm is there a kernel-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>-2-386?
[11:16] <TdC_VgA> i cant seem to build the ndiswrapper kernel package without it =(
[11:16] <LinuxJones> kaplanfx, ahh
[11:16] <SoNiC> why is cd burning not a part of ubuntu?
[11:16] <pyramid> staticactivity, so when their machine breaks they are out of luck
[11:16] <kaplanfx> LinuxJones: it should be easier for them, but I can still help being familiar with the underlying system and all.  I am hesitant to tell people who ask me about linux to install debian
[11:17] <staticactivity> pyramid, i've got a copy from my school
[11:17] <kaplanfx> SoNiC: it is, kernel <IP_ADDRESS> broke cd-burning for anyone using it, not just ubuntu
[11:17] <LinuxJones> kaplanfx, Ubuntu uses debian installer from sarge
[11:17] <pyramid> staticactivity, ok did your school get oem copies or lVM copies or full retail copies
[11:17] <kaplanfx> LinuxJones: ah, I've used the new installer, quite nice
[11:17] <pyramid> staticactivity, this is very important as to rights of use
[11:17] <staticactivity> pyramid, i don't know :(
[11:18] <pyramid> staticactivity, well you better ask
[11:18] <staticactivity> pyramid, ok, thanks
[11:18] <Deep7> is there a graphical app to turn mp3's into audio cd's?
[11:18] <LinuxJones> kaplanfx, yes it is awesome, once a gui is written for it it will be easier for folks moving from Windows
[11:18] <will> hi anyone know how to turn of the RAID functionality - it takes ages in the bootstrap!!
[11:19] <Phr0stByte> I tried to upgrade a bunch of packages - no system things wont take the root passwoed anymore - how can I fix that?
[11:19] <pyramid> staticactivity, and the judges here in the US have upheld all Eula restrictions...although the EFF is appealing
[11:19] <kaplanfx> so ubuntu uses debian kernel, debian installer, and debian packages (albiet in a custom repository), so the basic advantage is that it standardizes packages?
[11:19] <ike> problem with network. ifconfig looks fine, but can't ping my server
[11:19] <Suit> kaplanfx: yes the broken CD burning
[11:19] <Suit> it is funny
[11:19] <Kinnison> kaplanfx: and the six-month release cycle
[11:19] <Kinnison> kaplanfx: and the three-past-releases security support
[11:19] <Suit> my DVD writer is reported as being incapable of burning CD's
[11:19] <kaplanfx> LinuxJones: I think its better without a gui, people are just scared to realize its good
[11:19] <Suit> But DVD's are no problem :)
[11:19] <steveod> ike, is it wireless
[11:19] <pyramid> staticactivity, but even if the EFF is successful..that will take a long time so for now Eula's are binding...and you must read them carefully
[11:20] <SoNiC> how do I burn an iso with cdrecord?
[11:20] <staticactivity> pyramid, i don't understand why MS is so restrictive about the crap they make
[11:20] <ike> wireless works fine, problem wtih ethernet
[11:20] <kaplanfx> Kinnison: security support = good, as does the release cycle,
[11:20] <ike> eth0
[11:20] <LinuxJones> kaplanfx, yes but people turn white if they have to go to a dos prompt in windows
[11:20] <kaplanfx> Suit: yeah weird huh?
[11:20] <pyramid> staticactivity, well becasue MS is a corporation with greedy stockholders who want lots and lots of money every year
[11:20] <kaplanfx> Suit: cd-rw might work as well
[11:20] <steveod> cdrecord -v -data dev=x,x,x speed=x *.iso
[11:20] <Suit> kaplanfx: yeah that one too
[11:20] <staticactivity> pyramid, yeah thats so true
[11:20] <kaplanfx> Suit: but cd-r is unable to be detected by the <IP_ADDRESS> kernel for some reason
[11:21] <Suit> well, on my other box with k3b I can see a report about the writer
[11:21] <t35t0r> DDR400 is really 200MHz right?
[11:21] <Suit> all YES except for CD
[11:21] <center> LinuxJones: in regards to the ppd, gimp-print for the epson cx5200 -- resolved.  had to take out all of cups, foomatic, etc.  then re-installed gimp-print allowing it to resolve its deps.  prints great.
[11:21] <festis_> kaplanfx: is this cdburning issue only ubuntu related?
[11:21] <SoNiC> how do I edit my grub menu?
[11:21] <LinuxJones> center, awesome
[11:22] <Phr0stByte> I tried to upgrade a bunch of packages - system wont take the root passwoed anymore - how can I fix that?
[11:22] <t35t0r> sonic: vi /boot/grub/grub.conf
[11:22] <will> does anyone know how to turn off RAID in the kernel
[11:22] <center> the system was not recognizing gimp-print initially
[11:22] <t35t0r> will: look for it
[11:22] <LinuxJones> center, ahh
[11:23] <SoNiC> that file is empty testor
[11:23] <steveod> will: do you mean the raid manager that gets started when you boot or just radi support?
[11:23] <pyramid> center, my epson cx5400 works great with gimp-print driver and it even has cups support
[11:23] <ike> has anyone had problems with his ethernet card and solved it? can bring the interface up, but cant ping my server. ..
[11:23] <pyramid> center, it prints in color and scans in color
[11:24] <steveod> ike: only on my wireless, the ethernet was not an issue at all
[11:24] <center> see, t35t0r, even with extra interfaces -- we can still have deductive reasoning
[11:24] <atomon> is there any way to make certain windows transparent in ubuntu/xfree86?
[11:24] <LinuxJones> ike, /etc/init.d/networking restart
[11:24] <festis_> SoNiC: vi /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:24] <will> when you boot - it takes ages and i dont need raid!
[11:24] <t35t0r> atomon: xorg 6.8 supports true transparency
[11:25] <center> pyramid -- haven't worked on the scanning part yet.  should be able to get it up soon.  my 5200 has cups support, just cups did not see the driver for some odd reason.
[11:25] <atomon> ubuntu comes with xfree, not xorg, am right/
[11:25] <darksatanic> atomon: For now, yes.
[11:25] <t35t0r> too bad
[11:25] <LinuxJones> atomon, correct
[11:25] <atomon> darksatanic, is it easy to switch to xorg from xfree?
[11:25] <pyramid> center, no don't use the cups driver...at least it does not work for me...but use gimp-print driver with cups support
[11:25] <steveod> will, you can remove mdadm and mdadm-raid from the startup, at least i did
[11:25] <darksatanic> atomon: No idea. Probably not.
[11:25] <will> stevod: in the bootup, it gives me a 1-2 min delay!
[11:25] <atomon> anyone else know?
[11:25] <darksatanic> I've only had Ubuntu on here for 24 hours,
[11:26] <t35t0r> does apt-get uninstall ?
[11:26] <darksatanic> and I've been asleep for 8 of those. :)
[11:26] <will> steeveod: where do i find that?
[11:26] <atomon> lol@darksatanic
[11:26] <pyramid> center, and for the scanner use usb 0x4b8 0x0808...that worked for me with libusb
[11:26] <steveod> will, in the kernel detection? that might be an issue with acpi or something
[11:26] <darksatanic> I suspect that it's pretty wasy if you just build X.org from source, and install over the top of your XFree86 packages,
[11:26] <t35t0r> if apt-get uninstalls you might be able to get rid of xfree
[11:26] <darksatanic> but that *will* break the packaging system...
[11:26] <atomon> it's not worth it
[11:26] <atomon> for transparency
[11:26] <Micksa> t35t0r: sure does, "apt-get remove" I think. be careful though, it removes dependant packages, and you could end up removing half your installation :)
[11:26] <steveod> will: you can go into r5.d and see what is starting up
[11:26] <darksatanic> atomon: Indeed.
[11:26] <pyramid> center, but it took a while to set up because sane-find-scanner did not work
[11:27] <festis_> atomon: There are some docs somewhere on the net about switching to xorg. Guess google is your friend here...
[11:27] <steveod> will: /etc/rc5.d
[11:27] <t35t0r> micksa: what about apt-get remove without dependencies ?
[11:27] <center> pyramid -- that is what i am using for the print aspect.  gimp-print's driver, not the cups driver
[11:27] <Exasparilla> I'm not running ubuntu, but considering it - do they tweak the kernel sources or use Debian's?
[11:27] <will> steeveod: will have a look....
[11:27] <pyramid> center yes me too...it works quite well in gimp and gedit and koffice
[11:27] <lionfish> Micksa: I don't think apt-get remove will remove dependencies
[11:27] <Micksa> t35t0r: dpkg -r for that I guess.
[11:28] <Micksa> lionfish: try it 8)
[11:28] <plovs> atomon, the transparency is not that great anyway, it is not stable *yet*
[11:28] <lionfish> Micksa: I have. Often.
[11:28] <center> cool, pyramid.  getting ready to tackle the scanning now
[11:28] <lionfish> Micksa: Although, admittedly, never on ubuntu
[11:28] <Micksa> lionfish: try "apt-get remove xfree86-common".
[11:28] <pyramid> center, yes it takes a few hours to read all that libusb stuff...but those addresses worked for me
[11:28] <toyowheelin> humm...apperently I cant mount my usbdrive because its fat fs and the kernel dont recognise it
[11:28] <Micksa> just for the love of god don't go "y" afterwards :)
[11:29] <atomon> plovs, oic
[11:29] <Micksa> er or even enter
[11:29] <atomon> wow, i like how xchat highlights people that are talking to you
[11:29] <will> steveod: cant find that file, its not in /etc
[11:29] <pyramid> toyowheelin, i can mount my usbdrive with fat...why can't you
[11:29] <lionfish> Micksa: Ah, we've been talking at cross-purposes
[11:29] <lionfish> Micksa: I meant it didn't move things it depended _on_ :)
[11:29] <ElRaton> http://gnu.is.free.fr/monburo/Capture.html :: wow, i love ubuntu ;)
[11:29] <pyramid> toyowheelin, did you enable usbfs support in kernel
[11:30] <toyowheelin> pyramid, I dont know I just installed ubuntu really didnt give me any kernel options
[11:30] <plovs> toyowheelin, fat works you might not have partitions on your device
[11:30] <steveod> will: it is a directory /etc/rc5.d/ in it are the files that startup when you go into runlevel 5
[11:30] <Exasparilla> lionfish: can you just use aptitiude?  it'll get rid of unused dependencies
[11:30] <will> aha will check
[11:30] <TdC_VgA> has anyone installed the NDIS wrapper?
[11:30] <pyramid> toyowheelin, oh ok...when you get time be sure to recompile the kernel and check your options very carefully ...many times they are critical
[11:31] <toyowheelin> plovs oh I do because I have all my school work on it
[11:31] <linux_mafia> TdC_VgA, for what card?
[11:31] <lionfish> Exasparilla: I do. I don't really have a problem as such, I was just discussing the finer points of APT :)
[11:31] <TdC_VgA> linux_mafia: averatec internal wifi
[11:31] <toyowheelin> plovs and it works fine in mandrake at school
[11:31] <TdC_VgA> broadcom something or other..
[11:31] <Micksa> lionfish: ...oh :)
[11:32] <Micksa> hm.
[11:32] <Micksa> lionfish: actually that'd be kinda neat. if it was possible.
[11:32] <weichsel> hi. has someone tried ubuntu amd64 on a shuttle sn85g with an sata raid0 disk array?
[11:32] <lionfish> Micksa: It _is_, with aptitude
[11:32] <will> steveod: do i delete it or what?
[11:32] <atomon> okay, stupid question time. how do i display a list of channels on this server?
[11:32] <Micksa> oh :)
[11:32] <Micksa> neat
[11:32] <linux_mafia> TdC_VgA, hmmm dunno, i put a little summin summin on the ubuntu wiki about ndis, may help or not, have a look
[11:32] <plovs> toyowheelin, yes it just does not automount
[11:33] <steveod> will: no don't delete it do "sudo update-rc.d -f mdadm remove"
[11:33] <Micksa> if I'm guessing right, to do it properly aptitude would need to remember what was previously installed along with it
[11:33] <Exasparilla> That's bugged me too.  also, when you apt-get something that has dependencies, it doesn't mark the dependencies as being automatically installed, which is also a bummer.
[11:33] <Micksa> not just go backwards up (down?) the tree
[11:33] <toyowheelin> plovs amd64linux:/home/greg# mount -t fat /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbdrive/
[11:33] <toyowheelin> mount: fs type fat not supported by kernel
[11:33] <TdC_VgA> thanks.. i keep trying to build the kernel module and it just keeps telling me i need the 2.6.8 yada yad aheaders/source and i cant find it on the repos
[11:33] <atomon> anybody?
[11:33] <lionfish> Micksa: It remembers which packages have been explicitly installed
[11:33] <linux_mafia> Exasparilla, deb-orphan
[11:33] <steveod> will: you can just substitute the whatever for the mdadm, but somethings are necessary
[11:33] <Micksa> a dependency on another package doesn't imply that package was installed as a result of the apt-get install in question
[11:33] <Micksa> that'll work :)
[11:34] <jamesdorn> hazmat: you there?
[11:34] <will> of course
[11:34] <Exasparilla> I know of deb-orphan.  But aptitude does it nicely
[11:34] <will> steveod: u know what the delay is instantly after the bootloader?
[11:34] <steveod> will: so if you don't know what it is i usually read the file in /etc/init.d/ that it is linked to
[11:34] <linux_mafia> Exasparilla, ok, sweet, you taught me summin, i thought only deb-orphan kept track of that
[11:34] <steveod> will: then i am not sure that will help, it might be something to do with acpi or autodetect
[11:35] <Exasparilla> aptitude remembers if something was explicitly installed or installed as a dependency.  If it wasn't explicitly installed and nothing needs it, POOF!  No more package.
[11:35] <plovs> toyowheelin, vfat!
[11:35] <toyowheelin> :)
[11:35] <steveod> will: maybe you can look at sending some arguments to the kernel via grub
[11:35] <toyowheelin> oops
[11:35] <will> stevod: this is another delay
[11:35] <will> just after grub
[11:35] <toyowheelin> thanks plovs
[11:35] <center> be back in a few
[11:36] <pitti> toyowheelin: your usb drive does not automount?
[11:36] <toyowheelin> nope
[11:37] <toyowheelin> pitti, yours dose?
[11:37] <pitti> toyowheelin: I'm the guy responsible for this stuff
[11:37] <toyowheelin> oh lol
[11:37] <pitti> toyowheelin: you tried to manually mount the usb device?
[11:37] <toyowheelin> yeah mine dont auto mount
[11:37] <pitti> toyowheelin: manually mounting as above will not work
[11:37] <toyowheelin> yeah its mounted now
[11:37] <jamesdorn> Anyone know how to find out the dev path for the CD-RW drives in OS X (for the use of cdrecord)
[11:37] <jamesdorn> ?
[11:38] <pitti> toyowheelin: at least, try 'vfat' instead of 'fat'
[11:38] <toyowheelin> mounting with vfat works
[11:38] <jamesdorn> I cannot burn the Mac image of ubuntu with the standard tools
[11:38] <pitti> toyowheelin: but actually 'pmount /dev/sda1' should work in any case (as user)
[11:38] <ike> have problems with intel ethernet card. cannot connect to my network. wireless is working but not my ethernet card
[11:38] <pitti> toyowheelin: you should not do these things as root
[11:38] <toyowheelin> never heard of pmount
[11:38] <subterrific> jamesdorn: Disk Utility will burn the iso
[11:38] <TdC_VgA> ok, now i just cant seem to find the headers for 2.6.8-2-386 any suggestions?
[11:38] <jamesdorn> subterrific: not on my machine
[11:39] <toyowheelin> mounting is done as root I thought
[11:39] <pitti> toyowheelin: this is some magic we put into the distro to avoid some other problems
[11:39] <jamesdorn> subterrific: I think there might be a bug with the current iso's
[11:39] <subterrific> heheh, no
[11:39] <jamesdorn> subterrific: Disk Utility crashes repeatedly
[11:39] <jamesdorn> on three of my macs
[11:39] <subterrific> iso's can't be buggy. Disk Utility can and is
[11:39] <pitti> toyowheelin: can you please unmount and unplug your stick, plug it back in and watch in the device manager what happens?
[11:39] <toyowheelin> well here I will umount it and try pmount as user
[11:39] <toyowheelin> umm ok
[11:40] <pitti> toyowheelin: actually you should not even need to know about pmount; it should be invoked automatically
[11:40] <jamesdorn> subterrific: I cannot seem to burn it. And I burn iso's all the time
[11:40] <jamesdorn> subterrific: if the iso is mounted, Disk Utility doesnt startup correctly
[11:40] <pitti> toyowheelin: so can you pleas open the device manager, and then plug in the device?
[11:40] <jamesdorn> subterrific: If I select the iso from the list in the 'burn image' option... it simply crashes
[11:40] <subterrific> jamesdorn: well you shouldn't mount the iso
[11:40] <toyowheelin> where is the device manager
[11:40] <pitti> toyowheelin: oops, apt-get install hal-device-manager
[11:41] <toyowheelin> ok :)
[11:41] <subterrific> jamesdorn: did you check the md5sum of the iso to make sure you downloaded it correctly?
[11:41] <pitti> toyowheelin: this will be instaleld automatically on new installations
[11:41] <staticactivity> i'm getting this error when tryin to update firefox "data: Downloading fix (Read only)
[11:41] <staticactivity> i did the update as root though
[11:41] <jamesdorn> subterrific: if I run 'md5 <insert image name here>' it doesnt return any responce
[11:42] <jamesdorn> subterrific: just freezes the process
[11:42] <plovs> pitti, why does hal-device-manager dissapear all the time I installed three times already and i never removed it
[11:42] <staticactivity> do i need to change some permissions?
[11:42] <toyowheelin> do I need to start the hal-device-manager as root or as user
[11:42] <pitti> plovs: three times?
[11:42] <pitti> toyowheelin: user
[11:42] <pitti> plovs: it should have only been vanished when upgrading to the hal 0.2.98 package
[11:42] <subterrific> jamesdorn: let it sit there for a second, it will take a little while to md5 the iso
[11:42] <pitti> plovs: the deviec manager now has its own package
[11:43] <pitti> plovs: since it is not really required to run hal, its only a debugging tool
[11:43] <toyowheelin> pitti, it seed the device just fine
[11:43] <toyowheelin> *sees
[11:43] <pitti> toyowheelin: does it have a Volume child node?
[11:43] <toyowheelin> a what?
[11:43] <plovs> pitti, with install, omce when we where debugging and today, but maybe i mix up compuetrs
[11:43] <toyowheelin> lol
[11:44] <pitti> toyowheelin: there should be the actual device, and below it a node called "Volume"
[11:44] <jamesdorn> ok
[11:44] <TdC_VgA> heh there's <IP_ADDRESS>-3, but of course not <IP_ADDRESS>-2 hopefully these will work
[11:44] <pitti> toyowheelin: "Volume" means the partition on the device
[11:44] <toyowheelin> pitti, I dont see a "volume" in the list
[11:44] <pitti> toyowheelin: that's baaaaad
[11:45] <pitti> toyowheelin: which kernel do you use?
[11:45] <pitti> toyowheelin: dpkg -l linux-image*
[11:45] <pitti> toyowheelin: the earlier <IP_ADDRESS> kernels had some problems with USB
[11:45] <jamesdorn> subterrific: Yes, the md5sum's match
[11:45] <toyowheelin> linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS>-6           Linux kernel image for version <IP_ADDRESS> on x86_64.
[11:46] <pitti> toyowheelin: oh, amd64.
[11:46] <toyowheelin> yeah
[11:47] <pitti> toyowheelin: seems as if the partitions are not properly detected
[11:47] <pitti> toyowheelin: but /dev/sda1 exists and you can mount it manually?
[11:47] <Sleeper> what makes ubuntu so good? can someone explain?
[11:47] <toyowheelin> pitti, when I mount the device manually it sees my data just fine
[11:47] <steveod> will; try adding raid=noautodetect to your kernel line in your grub config
[11:47] <toyowheelin> yes
[11:47] <pitti> toyowheelin: okay. can you please mail the output of some commands to me?
[11:47] <toyowheelin> sure
[11:47] <jamesdorn> subterrific: any ideas?
[11:48] <pitti> toyowheelin: while the device is plugged in: 'dmesg > /tmp/dmesg.out'
[11:48] <jgeorgeson> so why have gcc 3.3 AND 3.4 installed?
[11:48] <steveod> nevermind i guess "will" left
[11:48] <pitti> toyowheelin: and 'lshal > /tmp/lshal.out'
[11:48] <pitti> toyowheelin: can you please mail /tmp/dmesg.out and /tmp/lshal.out to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:48] <toyowheelin> e-mail the .out files?
[11:48] <toyowheelin> ok
[11:48] <toyowheelin> sure
[11:48] <subterrific> jamesdorn: nope, i guess you found a bug in Disk Utility. i find it strange that you can mount the image, but not burn it
[11:48] <jamesdorn> i am about to pull a new powerbook out of the box and try with that one... that will be my 4th mac
[11:48] <pitti> toyowheelin: thanks! I will take a look at them tomorrow, I'm pretty tired and will go to bed now
[11:49] <pitti> toyowheelin: does it work with other usb devices?
[11:49] <Sleeper> can someone explain to me the greatness of ubuntu?
[11:49] <TdC_VgA> easiest way to update from linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-2-386 to <IP_ADDRESS>-3-686?
[11:49] <pitti> TdC_VgA: just install linux-image-686
[11:49] <pitti> TdC_VgA: this will always depend on the most recent kernel package
[11:49] <toyowheelin> I dont know
[11:50] <toyowheelin> my usb drive is all I have atm
[11:50] <plovs> Sleeper, it is up-to-date Debian with gnome 2.8
[11:50] <pitti> TdC_VgA: so you automatically get the newest kernels on pckage upgrade
[11:50] <TdC_VgA> pitti: just check it to install in Synaptic?
[11:50] <pitti> TdC_VgA: of course you have to reboot after installing a new kernel package
[11:50] <Sleeper> plovs oh sweet..
[11:50] <pitti> TdC_VgA: yes, should work
[11:50] <TdC_VgA> do i need to unstall the other one? or anything else.. insteresting.. easiest kernel update ever heh
[11:50] <Hrdwr_BoB> Sleeper: also, low configuration overhead... stuff Just Works[tm]
[11:51] <pitti> toyowheelin: okay, then we have to get along with this.
[11:51] <Sleeper> whats the best version out?
[11:51] <jgeorgeson> how do I make permanent changes to ssid/wep settings for wireless interfaces?
[11:51] <pitti> toyowheelin: in the meantime, you can mount the stuff with 'pmount /dev/sda1' (as user)
[11:51] <TdC_VgA> here goes nothing
[11:51] <Sleeper> i am currently downloading the warty preview one... is that good?
[11:51] <pitti> Sleeper: you should rather download the latest daily cd
[11:51] <Sleeper> and is it only one iso?
[11:51] <toyowheelin> ok thanks pitti
[11:51] <pitti> Sleeper: we fixed a lot of bugs since the preview
[11:51] <plovs> Sleeper, good enough from there you can just update it
[11:52] <pitti> toyowheelin: np. I will report back tomorrow
[11:52] <pitti> plovs,Sleeper: of course you can upgrade, but then you can as well download the latest iso
[11:52] <toyowheelin> ok
[11:52] <pitti> plovs,Sleeper: this will also correct some installer problems
[11:52] <plovs> Sleeper, pitti is correct
[11:52] <Sleeper> pitti, how would i download the latest daily cd? Is this the one with the single mirror from the UK?
[11:53] <Sleeper> pitti, never mind..
[11:53] <pitti> Sleeper: http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/daily/current/
[11:53] <Sleeper> pitti, one more quick question.. is it only one iso
[11:53] <Sleeper> pitti, thanks
[11:53] <pitti> Sleeper: you can also use rsync, its faster if you already have an older iso
[11:53] <pitti> Sleeper: yes, only one CD
[11:54] <Sleeper> pitti, oh i don't have it.. i am starting from scratch
[11:54] <pitti> Sleeper: currently you need to download universe packages from the network
[11:54] <pitti> Sleeper: okay. But if you want to upgrade the CD, then rsync is faster (it downloads only the difference)
[11:55] <Sleeper> pitti, thanks... is there instructions on downloading the universe packages?
[11:55] <TdC_VgA> here goes nothing
[11:55] <pitti> toyowheelin: I got no mail from you yet (in case you already sent one and it did not work)
[11:55] <Sleeper> pitti, does ubuntu have a tool that will do it for me?
[11:55] <jgeorgeson> what package is needed to get song names from streams in rhythmbox?
[11:55] <pitti> Sleeper: synaptic (the package manager) supports this quite nicely
[11:55] <toyowheelin> pitti, I just sent it so it may take a moment as I am using hotmail :(
[11:55] <Sleeper> pitti, k thanks
[11:55] <pyramid> well nothing much to do today except backups
[11:56] <pitti> Sleeper: in synaptic: Settings -> Package sources, there you can enable Universe
[11:56] <pitti> Sleeper: but you do not need it for the most common stuff
[11:56] <pitti> Sleeper: all Desktop pacakges already come on the CD
[11:57] <pitti> Good night, guys!
[11:57] <Sleeper> k sweeet
[11:57] <Sleeper> good night? its 3 p
[11:57] <Sleeper> pm
[11:57] <pitti> toyowheelin: got the mail, thanks
[11:57] <toyowheelin> np thanks
[11:58] <overflow> Hi all
[11:58] <overflow> Im having problems with ubuntu and Sound
[11:59] <overflow> SuperLag: install a Debian base system and then all the .deb ubuntu packages


[03:00] <OerHeks> gooooood morning
[03:03] <OerHeks> pls can an op take voice of nexvilla and matsaman in #u ?


[14:29] <sarnold> good morning
[14:36] <ddstreet> o/
[14:44] <paride> hi! is the MIR weekly meeting going to happen ~soon?
[14:46]  * didrocks999 is around, but not prepared
[14:46] <didrocks999> ddstreet: sarnold: should we do a short one?
[14:47] <ddstreet> i always have a mtg conflict so i can't pay attention unfortunately
[14:47] <didrocks999> yeah, kind of same here, but let’s try this
[14:47] <didrocks999> #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status
[14:47] <meetingology> Meeting started at 14:47:39 UTC.  The chair is didrocks999.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
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[14:47] <didrocks999> ping ddstreet sarnold doko jamespage
[14:48] <didrocks999> #topic Review of previous action items
[14:48] <didrocks999> none if I’m correct
[14:48] <didrocks999> #topic current component mismatches
[14:48] <didrocks999> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg
[14:48] <didrocks999> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg
[14:49] <didrocks999> the nvidia-graphics-drivers-470-server needs some AA love, shouldn’t require a proper MIR
[14:49] <sarnold> woot
[14:49] <doko> o/
[14:49] <didrocks999> I don’t remember if esmtp was a false positive?
[14:49] <sarnold> it is
[14:50] <didrocks999> ack, the rest is well known… Moving on
[14:50] <didrocks999> #topic New MIRs
[14:50] <didrocks999> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[14:50] <didrocks999> some new things here
[14:51] <didrocks999> macontent seems to be mostly a ack, correct?
[14:51] <sarnold> I think the malcontent one perhaps should have been put into state 'in progress' rather than 'new'
[14:52] <didrocks999> yeah, looks like the only remaining issue is libflatpak0 MIR dep?
[14:52] <sarnold> oh, hah, you've reminded me that I went to TB to ask about flatpak issues and they turned around and asked the security team and we stalled on that.
[14:53] <didrocks999> do you think we can have some security team/TB agreement on flatpak? (not impacting this MIR, it should be in progress IMHO until this is resolved)
[14:53] <sarnold> yeah, I'll poke us :)
[14:54] <didrocks999> self-poking \o/ thanks sarnold :)
[14:54] <didrocks999> next one as perl in the name… https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libnet-snmp-perl/+bug/1936970 :)
[14:54] <didrocks999> I can give it a look on a dark Friday evening then :)
[14:54] <paride> ^ that
[14:55] <paride> ^ that's the one I'm driving
[14:55] <didrocks999> paride: ack, I’ll handle it before next week, anything special we should be aware about?
[14:55] <paride> didrocks999, not really I think.
[14:55] <didrocks999> assigned to me
[14:56] <didrocks999> and now… https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adsys/+bug/1936907
[14:56] <paride> thanks!
[14:56] <didrocks999> as I’m upstream for it, I can’t self-assigned to it
[14:56] <didrocks999> yw
[14:56] <didrocks999> I think this will need a security review as well, as a service running as root, using polkit, sockets…
[14:56] <didrocks999> (the architecture is quite similar to zsys)
[14:56] <didrocks999> who is available to take it?
[14:57] <didrocks999> (Golang package, with vendoreded dependencies)
[14:57] <doko> I assume this will end up with a security review anyway ...
[14:58] <didrocks999> yeah, for sure
[14:58] <doko> so, yes, I can give the packaging a review
[14:59] <didrocks999> Thanks doko!
[14:59] <didrocks999> and that’s it for the new MIRs
[14:59] <didrocks999> #topic Incomplete bugs / questions
[14:59] <didrocks999> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[14:59] <didrocks999> nothing new from last meeting
[14:59] <didrocks999> #topic Any other business?
[14:59] <sarnold> none from me
[15:00] <didrocks999> nothing from me either
[15:01] <didrocks999> seems most of us are busy anyway, and we can almost finish the meeting on time despite starting late, so let’s close this for today then :)
[15:01] <didrocks999> o/
[15:01] <didrocks999> #endmeeting
[15:01] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 15:01:23 UTC.  Minutes at https://new.ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2021/ubuntu-meeting.2021-07-27-14.47.moin.txt
[15:01] <sarnold> thanks didrocks999, all :)
[15:01] <didrocks999> thanks everyone! :)


[06:27] <ara> morning!
[11:03] <davmor2> morning all
[11:19] <ara> morning davmor2!
[11:19] <ara> davmor2, how is everything going?
[11:20] <davmor2> ara: been on holiday till today so that was nice :D  Now back to work and near 3000 emails not so nice
[11:21] <ara> davmor2, :)
[13:13] <30BAAK162> fourth be with you!
[13:39] <davmor2> morning fader_ cr3
[13:40] <fader_> davmor2: Hey dude


[01:14] <raevol> where is philililillip when you need him...
[01:56] <ianorlin> hmm what should I take to scale
[02:29]  * MarkDude suggests bringing numerous penguins
[04:44] <ianorlin> no one would freak out if I took a backpack to scale right?
[18:54] <Corey> Ahoy!
[19:16] <Corey> Time for me to go stalk the SCaLE hallways...
[20:38] <ianorlin> Yay at scale
[20:51] <ianorlin> although is this just other people's bouncers on here or are they not on irc at lunch at scale
[21:03] <Corey> I didn't realize bkerensa was a big deal, but apparently so.


[01:44] <ilk> Pensacola here
[03:00] <ShawnR> anyone know a decent amount about SMB and fighting Windows for NetBIOS master browser, etc?
[03:00] <ShawnR> I can't seem to win this battle