[02:01] <Seeker`> tgm4883: what time does the git?
[02:01] <Seeker`> :P
[02:01] <tgm4883> Seeker`, I know
[02:01] <tgm4883> I mean wtf was that
[02:02] <Seeker`> tgm4883: I have no idea
[04:29] <ubuntuaddicted> i am getting the following for some reason in my syslog and mythtv backend doesn't stay working? Jan 16 21:58:26 dell init: mythtv-backend main process (1621) terminated with status 251
[04:29] <ubuntuaddicted> Jan 16 21:58:27 dell init: mythtv-backend main process ended, respawning
[05:07] <qwebirc16309> I have a Hauppauge HD tuner...WinTV-HVR-2250. I found the firmware here (http://www.steventoth.net/linux/hvr22xx/) but I don't understand what I need to do with the extract.sh
[05:10] <Shadow__X> did you run it
[05:10] <qwebirc16309> I don't understand?
[05:11] <Shadow__X> did you read the readme.txt?
[05:11] <qwebirc16309> yes
[05:11] <Shadow__X> ok did you download 22xxdrv and hvr-12x0 and extract.sh to the same directory
[05:12] <qwebirc16309> yes
[05:12] <Shadow__X> ok you need to run the extract.sh
[05:12] <qwebirc16309> I just did
[05:12] <Shadow__X> open terminal and go to the directory that extract.sh is in
[05:13] <qwebirc16309> Ok
[05:15] <qwebirc16309> So once the extract.sh as been run there are three more files
[05:15] <qwebirc16309> Do I need to do something with these files?
[05:16] <Shadow__X> yes, i am looking for the write up
[05:17] <Shadow__X> http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-2200
[05:18] <Shadow__X> starting at making it work
[05:20] <qwebirc16309> I'll try the procedure...thanks for the cue!
[05:20] <Shadow__X> oh wait
[05:20] <Shadow__X> go to making it work easily
[05:20] <Shadow__X> or making it work using a gui
[05:20] <Shadow__X> sorry i missed those
[05:22] <qwebirc16309> I don't understand?
[05:22] <qwebirc16309> Witch GUI?
[05:22] <Shadow__X> go to the page that i sent you and scroll down there seems to be 2 easier ways to set it up
[05:23] <Shadow__X> there is a section on that page called making it work easily and right below that making it work using a gui
[05:23] <qwebirc16309> I see
[05:23] <Shadow__X> if you want you could use a gui to setup the card for you then once it is setup you can set it up in mythtv
[05:24] <Shadow__X> i would go with the easy way
[05:24] <qwebirc16309> I'll try!
[05:25] <JCii8> Hi! so I have a mythbuntu setup. about a month old. 12.04.1 i think.  Anyone else seen this?  I can use ifconfig and set one...)
[05:25] <Shadow__X> JCii8: if network manager is giving you a problem i believe you could just remove it
[05:25] <JCii8> I tried that
[05:26] <JCii8> or rather, tried setting it not to manage ifupdown
[05:26] <JCii8> do you mean just uninstalling it completely?
[05:29] <Shadow__X> JCii8: what error are you getting
[05:29] <Shadow__X> is network manager not starting?
[05:29] <Shadow__X> http://www.ubun2.com/question/1287/how_fix_network_manager_not_running_error_message_ubuntu_1204
[05:29] <Shadow__X> that will get it running
[05:29] <JCii8> i min...system is rebooting
[05:30] <JCii8> and it's going to hang...
[05:30] <JCii8> side question, how hard is it to backup the mysql db and just re-install? will it pick up old recordings from disk if the db is restored?
[05:32] <Shadow__X> backing up mythtv db is pretty easy
[05:32] <Shadow__X> i would think it as long as the recording folder isnt touched it would be fine
[05:33] <Shadow__X> the closest thing i did to that was backup a mythtv db copied recordings to an external then setup a completely new system with the old db and recordings
[05:34] <Shadow__X> the only thing i had to do was change computer name some other settings and also i had to redo the seek times on the recordings
[05:34] <qwebirc16309> How may I have the permission to move some files in the file system?
[05:34] <Shadow__X> so in your case you should be fine afaik
[05:34] <JCii8> /var/lib/mythtv is on a separate disk...
[05:34] <Shadow__X> qwebirc16309: are you trying to setup the tuner or doing something different?
[05:34] <Shadow__X> JCii8: afaik you should be fine
[05:34] <qwebirc16309> Set up tuner
[05:35] <Shadow__X> JCii8: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore
[05:35] <JCii8> so ifup eth0 works fine. /etc/network/interfaces seems fine. i did "apt-get remove network-manager" and it still isnt honoring the ifup/down stuff.
[05:35] <Shadow__X> qwebirc16309: using the gui its probably your best bet. But to answer your question to cp firmware to /lib/firmware you will need to do sudo cp
[05:35] <qwebirc16309> thanks
[05:37] <Shadow__X> qwebirc16309: do you know how to download the gui from github?
[05:38] <Shadow__X> you can just download the zip and then extract it
[05:39] <qwebirc16309> I'm on it
[05:49] <qwebirc16309> did not work!
[05:56] <JCii8> So in general...do people accept or ignore Ubuntu package updates?
[05:57] <JCii8> and does anyone have a ceton infinity 4 card...running with 12.04.1?
[05:58] <Shadow__X> i use the updates and use the repos
[05:58] <Shadow__X> i use a hdhr prime instead of a ceton
[05:59] <Shadow__X> qwebirc16309: which part didnt work
[05:59] <qwebirc16309> The easy part
[05:59] <Shadow__X> JCii8: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Ceton_InfiniTV_4
[05:59] <Shadow__X> qwebirc16309: the gui?
[06:00] <qwebirc16309> I' looking at that solution
[06:02] <qwebirc16309> Gui one did not work


[16:36] <Pendulum> is there a dump page for UWN yet? because the interview from OMG! of Neil shold really be in it (I'm happy to write up a quick summary now)
[16:37] <Pendulum> (and someone ought to mark this moment because it is one of the few times you'll ever hear me say that there's something on OMG that's important to include in UWN ;) )
[17:37] <pleia2> Pendulum: yep, http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UWN-Ideas
[17:38] <popey> haha
[18:10] <Pendulum> popey: was that at me?
[18:10] <popey> yes
[18:10] <Pendulum> :)
[18:24] <akgraner> Pendulum, it's a great interview.. thanks for doing the summary
[18:25] <akgraner> brb updates say I need to reboot.. :-)


[08:04] <inetpro> good mornings
[19:14] <inetpro> good evening
[19:14] <inetpro> oh and hi Kilos as well
[19:14] <inetpro> why so quiet here today?
[20:31] <Kilos> because we sleeping
[20:31] <Kilos> sjoe
[20:31] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[23:20] <K_K_N> I think Samsung did not do a good job when it comes to accessing their fan in respect to cleaning their laptops
[23:21] <K_K_N> cause the fan is below the motherboard and I did not want to open the motherboard out
[23:21] <K_K_N> oh well
[23:22] <K_K_N> I disassembled a Fujitsu Siemens lapto once and they have just one panel to access fan, heatsink and CPU no deed to open the entire thing to clean fan
[23:22] <K_K_N> *need
[23:23] <K_K_N> I am using a Samsung laptop and the fan is making very loud noise I know its dirty but after just opening as far as I opened I could see my self breaking stuff cause there are so many things on the way so I stopped
[23:24] <K_K_N> but fan still making noise although could not see alot of dust from what I could see
[23:24] <K_K_N> so I just hope it lasts until I can get another laptop just in case this one does not survive me disassembling
[23:24] <K_K_N> lol
[23:25] <K_K_N> ok sorry for my ranting just letting of a little frustration with laptops and cleaning them


[12:45] <MrMazda> lucasvo: didn't work, downloading kubuntu now
[12:48] <MrMazda> download complete
[12:48] <MrMazda> losts faster than yesterday
[12:49] <mhz> uuuufff
[12:49] <mhz> finally
[12:49] <MrMazda> mhz: 3 attempts to install failed with disk full, so now gonna do kubuntu instead
[12:50] <mhz> this is not logical :(
[12:50] <MrMazda>  /var/cache/apt/archive over 500M of stuff
[12:51] <mhz> how big is your HD?
[12:51] <MrMazda> 1st 2 tries 1.95G /, 3rd 2.25G /
[12:52] <MrMazda> ppl on #ubuntu said 1.6G should be enuf
[03:21] <MrMazda> lucasvo: kubuntu installed, but it's stuck at 640x480 :-p
[04:02] <Lord_Athur> I'm a linux user, but I'll have to use win a few days
[04:02] <Lord_Athur> is there a program to work on terminal from win?
[04:03] <pitux> Lord_Athur putty
[04:03] <pitux> connect with ssh
[04:04] <Lord_Athur> but I haven't got a linux server :S
[04:04] <Lord_Athur> is there an emulator?
[04:12] <Lord_Athur> bye
[04:29] <luluroot> lucasvo: this be the new MrMazda system running kubuntu, Firefox & Chatzilla
[05:42] <mhz> re
[06:04] <MrMazda> mhz: struck out 3 times with out of disk space on edubuntu, got kubutu going OK o_O
[02:15] <lucasvo> MrMazda: cool, you did it?
[02:16] <lucasvo> MrMazda: if you want to install edubuntu just type: apt-get install edubuntu-desktop
[02:17] <lucasvo> MrMazda: you screen resolution is working/
[02:48] <MrMazda> lucasvo: I had to add manually to xorg.conf the missing HorizSync and VertRefresh, then the higher resolutions worked
[02:48] <lucasvo> MrMazda: I had the same problems
[02:48] <lucasvo> MrMazda: best to do is: submit a bug in bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[02:49] <MrMazda> consoles randomly get error messages making them useless
[02:49] <MrMazda> bug about the bad edubuntu installs? about the defective xorg.conf?
[02:52] <lucasvo> defective xorg.conf
[02:53] <MrMazda> k
[02:53] <MrMazda> where/what name is the installation log?
[02:54] <MrMazda> lotsa gstreamer and fontconfig error messages during install on tty4
[02:56] <lucasvo> MrMazda: /var/log/x*.log
[02:57] <MrMazda> k
[02:57] <lucasvo> lucasvo@lama:~$ vi /var/log/Xorg.20.log.old
[02:57] <MrMazda> 20 is from the installer?
[03:01] <lucasvo> no
[03:01] <lucasvo> MrMazda: look at all of the Xorg logs
[03:03] <jelkner> ogra: good morning oliver
[03:03] <lucasvo> 15:03 < djm62> lucasvo: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-corg
[03:03] <lucasvo> MrMazda: delete all the /var/log/Xorg*
[03:04] <lucasvo> then do:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:04] <lucasvo> MrMazda: then you can attach the xorg.log
[03:04] <lucasvo> MrMazda: you have to do that in tty2-5
[03:05] <lucasvo> MrMazda: and then you have to add horzsync again
[03:05] <MrMazda> lucasvo: I have to go upstairs to do all this
[03:05] <MrMazda> lucasvo: I saved the original xorg.conf
[03:05] <lucasvo> ok
[03:05] <lucasvo> MrMazda: or ssh I think :D
[03:12] <lucasvo> hi Yagisan
[03:12] <lucasvo> MrMazda: running kda?
[03:13] <Yagisan> G'day lucasvo
[03:13] <lucasvo> MrMazda: try apt-get install edubuntu-desktop
[03:13] <MrMazda> I don't like Gnome
[03:13] <lucasvo> MrMazda: why?
[03:13] <lucasvo> because of linus? :D
[03:13] <lucasvo> MrMazda: in edubuntu-desktop you get all  the education apps
[03:14] <MrMazda> used to KDE since years ago when Gnome was awful
[03:14] <lucasvo> MrMazda: yes, I did too, I am using gnome since warty
[03:14] <MrMazda> gotta find out if enuf space left on device :-D
[03:14] <lucasvo> MrMazda: apt-get remove kde
[03:14] <MrMazda> added some stuff already, so it's pretty full
[03:14] <ogra> MrMazda, how much space do you have ?
[03:14] <MrMazda> o_O
[03:15] <MrMazda> gotta go upstairs to see what's left
[03:15] <MrMazda> 2.25G to start with for /
[03:15] <ogra> thats not enough for a default edubuntu ...
[03:15] <ogra> you'll need ~2.6G
[03:15] <MrMazda> I read some doc that said needs 2G
[03:15] <Yagisan> that's barely enough for normal ubuntu
[03:16] <ogra> 2.2G is fine for a normal ubuntu, edubuntu brings more apps
[03:16] <ogra> kdeedu and all the kde stuff we ship is an ugl beast ...
[03:16] <ogra> *ugly
[03:16] <lucasvo> apt-get remove qt
[03:17] <ogra> heh
[03:17] <Yagisan> MrMazda, normal ubuntu installs in 2G, but whoever wrote that never tried it. I did - you don't have any space left.
[03:17] <lucasvo> I hate the qt dual licensing :(
[03:17] <ogra> its gone with qt4
[03:17] <lucasvo> ogra: it is?
[03:17] <Yagisan> lucasvo: why ?
[03:17] <ogra> afaik, yes
[03:17] <ogra> hey jelkner
[03:18] <lucasvo> Yagisan: for e.g. german post had to remove their stampit *proprietary* plugin for openoffice since it includes qt
[03:18] <MrMazda> looks like I could get some space back by removing a bunch of eastern fonts
[03:19] <MrMazda> way lotta font packages installed
[03:19] <lucasvo> MrMazda: did you clear /var/cache/apt/archives/?
[03:19] <MrMazda> got 450K back from doing that manually
[03:19] <ogra> yes, that might give you 2-300MB
[03:19] <ogra> eeek
[03:19] <ogra> never do that manually
[03:19] <jelkner> ogra: good morning
[03:19] <ogra> use apt-get clean for that
[03:19] <MrMazda> couldn't find another way
[03:19] <lucasvo> ogra: ok
[03:20] <Yagisan> lucasvo: that's what happens when you don't read the license
[03:20] <MrMazda> that wasn't what was suggested yesterday
[03:20] <ogra> MrMazda, i wasnt around in the evening :)
[03:20] <MrMazda> someone said some other kind of clean
[03:20] <lucasvo> Yagisan: they are allowed to include their software with dual licensing?
[03:20] <lucasvo> MrMazda: *me*
[03:20] <lucasvo> MrMazda: I was wrong
[03:20] <MrMazda> too late now :-)
[03:21] <ogra> yup
[03:21] <ogra> wont break heavily though, dont worry ...
[03:21] <MrMazda> already added repositories and updated
[03:22] <MrMazda> gimp
[03:22] <MrMazda> mc
[03:22] <Yagisan> lucasvo: the author of qt can license it however they like.
[03:22] <ogra> but as a rule of thumb, if there is a tool in a linux system, never edit files manually or delete stuff, you might miss something that tool would do as well
[03:22] <MrMazda> firefox/thunderbird
[03:22] <MrMazda> I know that rule
[03:22] <MrMazda> gotta be able to find that GUI tool though
[03:22] <lucasvo> MrMazda: synaptic?
[03:22] <ogra> for maintaining packages ?
[03:22] <ogra> thats synaptic or gnome-app-install
[03:23] <ogra> kubuntu/kde has something similar
[03:23] <lucasvo> gnome-app-install is lame
[03:23] <ogra> why ?
[03:23] <MrMazda> synaptic, dpkg, apt, adept - too many different tools for packages
[03:23] <lucasvo> it only provides the most common packages
[03:23] <lucasvo> MrMazda: you forgot aptitude
[03:23] <ogra> gnome-app-install is far superior to synaptic on the usability side
[03:23] <MrMazda> aptitude, synaptic, dpkg, apt, adept - too many different tools for packages
[03:24] <ogra> they do different things :)
[03:24] <ogra> synaptic and aptitude are just frontends
[03:24] <lucasvo> dpkg is included into almost everything
[03:24] <Yagisan> MrMazda: I can point to at least one of those tools that doesn't work on my X less box
[03:24] <ogra> ... to apt
[03:24] <ogra> apt is a frontend to dpkg
[03:24] <ogra> adept is a copy of synaptic in kde
[03:25] <ogra> they are completely different things ...
[03:25] <MrMazda> you're making me try to learn to much - I'm a rpm user
[03:25] <spacey_ki> even working on weekends ogra ;/
[03:25] <MrMazda> Debian gives me fits
[03:25] <ogra> spacey_ki, not really ...
[03:25] <Yagisan> my preferred front end is aptitude
[03:25] <lucasvo> I prefer apt
[03:25] <MrMazda> screwed up tty video on every one of them
[03:25] <spacey_ki> ogra, don't forget to relax a bit :P
[03:26] <ogra> heh, i'll try
[03:26] <ogra> i'm on my way out anyway, GF is ill and i have to pick up food for the animals ... else they'll starve over the weekend
[03:26] <lucasvo> ogra is in a hurry for dapper :D
[03:26] <ogra> nah, no hurry at all :)
[03:27] <Yagisan> ogra: Hope GF gets better soon.
[03:27] <ogra> we are fine in our timeframe ...
[03:27] <ogra> Yagisan, i'll tell her ...
[03:28] <ogra> she already was better (after 4 weeks of sleepless nights with crying from pain)
[03:28] <ogra> but somehow it started over tonight
[03:28] <MrMazda> seems like Bug 7878 resurfaced
[03:28] <Yagisan> ?? what did she catch ?
[03:28] <spacey_ki> damn, thats quite serious
[03:28] <ogra> we have no idea
[03:29] <ogra> seems it hurts heavily below her right eye ....
[03:29] <spacey_ki> went to hospital i assume?
[03:29] <ogra> the doc has no idea what that could be ...
[03:29] <Yagisan> 2nd opinion ?
[03:29] <ogra> now she got pulled out a tooth last week, but that seem not to have been the cause of pain ...
[03:30] <spacey_ki> time for a xray
[03:30] <ogra> i'll arrange a computer tomography next week for here, to get some more insight ...
[03:30] <ogra> no hospital yet ... she first wants to try out all options without that
[03:31] <spacey_ki> what is computer tomography?
[03:32] <Yagisan> spacey_ki: most likely cat scan
[03:32] <Yagisan> I had one done for myself - big white tube
[03:32] <Yagisan> strong magnets
[03:32] <ogra> yeah ...
[03:32] <ogra> babalfish doesnt help :/
[03:32] <spacey_ki> not dangerious when you have some metal in your teeth?
[03:33] <ogra> nope
[03:33] <Yagisan> have some guy say "lie still" while they scan your head
[03:33] <spacey_ki> not suddenly teethless
[03:33] <spacey_ki> :)
[03:33] <ogra> and afterwards you have a 3D model of your head ...
[03:33] <Yagisan> and then they go, we *still* don't know whats wrong
[03:33] <lucasvo> that's cool, I once had to do it with my arm
[03:33] <ogra> its a kind of xray in slices they do ... and afterwards they build a 3D model of it
[03:34] <Yagisan> oh wait - that may only be for me
[03:34] <ogra> Yagisan, i suspect it might be the same for us :/
[03:34] <lucasvo> Yagisan: it is quite common, they still don't know what's wrong with my arm
[03:34] <ogra> the dentist already did a normal xray... nothing suspisious ...
[03:34] <lucasvo> I still can't do any push-ups :(
[03:35] <Yagisan> at least I got a picture of my head
[03:35] <lucasvo> lol
[03:35] <Yagisan> lucasvo: RSI ??
[03:35] <lucasvo> Yagisan: rsi?
[03:35] <ogra> yes, sounds like
[03:35] <ogra> to much comuter work :)
[03:35] <Yagisan> Repetitive Strain Injury
[03:35] <ogra> *computer
[03:35] <ogra> take more rests
[03:35] <Yagisan> or ah something else ;)
[03:36] <lucasvo> Yagisan: I don't know, I had a broken arm a 2 years ago
[03:36] <lucasvo> Yagisan: broken forever, I can't push anything more than 20kg
[03:36] <spacey_ki> good thing you do computer work :P
[03:37] <spacey_ki> only need to press keys
[03:37] <lucasvo> spacey_ki: I am doing headwork in school atm
[03:37] <spacey_ki> headwork?
[03:37] <Yagisan> ouch, I've shredded all the ligaments on my knee before. Couldn't move my lower leg
[03:37] <lucasvo> brainwork
[03:37] <spacey_ki> right
[03:37] <spacey_ki> what work does your brain do
[03:38] <Yagisan> dragged myself 7 kilometers to a hospital on one leg, just to get it put in plaster
[03:38] <lucasvo> spacey_ki: math, biology, french, german, english, italian, chemistry, physics
[03:38] <lucasvo> and arts and craft
[03:38] <spacey_ki> your on highschool?
[03:38] <lucasvo> spacey_ki: yes
[03:38] <spacey_ki> aha
[03:39] <spacey_ki> what country? germany?
[03:39] <lucasvo> spacey_ki: switzerland
[03:39] <spacey_ki> ah
[03:39] <spacey_ki> that figures
[03:39] <lucasvo> spacey_ki: why?
[03:39] <spacey_ki> regarding the languages
[03:39] <lucasvo> aha
[03:39] <spacey_ki>  french, german, english, italian
[03:39] <spacey_ki> :)
[03:39] <spacey_ki> you need them all there
[03:39] <spacey_ki> :)
[03:40] <lucasvo> not really, everybody speaks english
[03:41] <lucasvo> http://www.google.ch/ < is available even in our fourth "official" language...
[03:41] <lucasvo> rumantsch
[03:41] <lucasvo> web=rait
[03:41] <lucasvo> I think it is net = rait
[03:44] <lucasvo> Yagisan: where do you live?
[03:44] <spacey_ki> where are you from then Yagisan
[03:44] <Yagisan> Sydney
[03:45] <Yagisan> I'm sure you seen parts of the riots on tv
[03:45] <lucasvo> :D
[03:45] <lucasvo> Yagisan: I don't have/want tv
[03:45] <lucasvo> but I read in the newspapers about it
[03:46] <Yagisan> lucasvo: that's good. The only thing I use my tv for is for playing my iron chef dvds
[03:46] <lucasvo> iron chef?
[03:46] <lucasvo> Yagisan: what time is it now in sydney?
[03:46] <Yagisan> lucasvo: I bet the papers are only saying white people are attacking lebanese people
[03:46] <lucasvo> :D
[03:46] <spacey_ki> Yagisan, nope
[03:46] <Yagisan> almost 2am
[03:47] <spacey_ki> i never watch tv
[03:47] <spacey_ki> evil box ;p
[03:47] <lucasvo> exactly
[03:48] <Yagisan> iron chef is the best show I have ever seen on TV. It's from Japan. The americans made a crap copy called, Iron Chef America
[03:48] <Yagisan> here we are,  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Chef
[03:49] <spacey_ki> i've seen futurama episode about that :)
[03:49] <Yagisan> you haven't seen Iron Chef ??
[03:49] <Yagisan> I've got 18GB of it so far ...
[03:49] <Yagisan> damm 20GB download quota
[03:53] <Yagisan> spacey_ki: that's the 30% iron chef episode right ?
[03:53] <spacey_ki> don't remember:)
[03:53] <spacey_ki> at least it was funny :)
[03:53] <spacey_ki> Yagisan, never seen the orginal show
[03:54] <Yagisan> spacey_ki: where are you ?
[03:54] <MrMazda> can't run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg because the tty display is too corrupted - how do I screencap the corruption?
[03:54] <spacey_ki> Yagisan, netherlands
[03:54] <spacey_ki> its not on tv here :)
[03:55] <spacey_ki> i'm curious though, can you send me an episode?:D
[03:55] <MrMazda> lucasvo: are you really /away ?
[03:56] <Yagisan> MrMazda: how did you corrupt the tty display ?
[03:56] <MrMazda> using keypad keys
[03:56] <MrMazda> always does that
[03:57] <MrMazda> how do I screencap the corruption?
[03:57] <Yagisan> have you tried typing `clear` no quotes in a console ? (yes it is a dumb question)
[03:57] <Yagisan> Is x working at all ?
[03:57] <spacey_ki> restart
[03:57] <spacey_ki> instead of clear helps
[03:58] <MrMazda> X works - I'm doing what lucasvo said to report the initial configure bug
[03:58] <MrMazda> restart what?
[03:58] <spacey_ki> type it in
[03:58] <spacey_ki> the terminal
[03:58] <Yagisan> MrMazda: gimp has a screen capture function
[03:58] <MrMazda> gimp is X
[03:59] <MrMazda> this is tty running dpkg-reconfigure
[03:59] <MrMazda> can't type in clear or restart
[03:59] <spacey_ki> just type restart and press enter
[03:59] <spacey_ki> works for me
[03:59] <spacey_ki> :)
[03:59] <spacey_ki> even if you can't see it
[04:00] <Yagisan> MrMazda: please clarify - is this a virtual console, or x-term ?
[04:01] <jelkner> ogra: do you have time for a question?
[04:01] <MrMazda> tty[1-6]
[04:01] <ogra> jelkner, sure
[04:01] <jelkner> i installed sabayon
[04:01] <ogra> btw, did you already test the flight2 CD ?
[04:01] <jelkner> no
[04:01] <MrMazda> restart worked, but then on first need for a cursor key it corrupts again spacey
[04:01] <jelkner> i can do that monday
[04:02] <ogra> great
[04:02] <jelkner> how do you want me to test it?
[04:02] <MrMazda> can't get anywhere
[04:02] <ogra> i'm lagging with the announcement anyway
[04:02] <jelkner> just do an install and see if it works?
[04:02] <ogra> yup
[04:02] <jelkner> ok, i'll burn it tomorrow and install on monday
[04:02] <ogra> there are some known issues, i'll point out in the announcement
[04:02] <jelkner> i have two test servers to play with
[04:02] <spacey_ki> MrMazda, try in an X terminal?
[04:02] <ogra> great :)
[04:02] <jelkner> any i need to know before testing?
[04:03] <ogra> dont use different languages ...
[04:03] <jelkner> ok
[04:03] <jelkner> anything else?
[04:03] <MrMazda> spacey_ki: lucasvo said run in tty, so I exited the X session to run on tty
[04:03] <ogra> trhere is something wrong with the ubuntu locales onb install, that makes it break if you dont use en_**
[04:03] <spacey_ki> you can also run it in an X terminal
[04:03] <MrMazda> anyway, if tty cannot be fixed I give up on ubuntu
[04:03] <spacey_ki> and restart X after that
[04:03] <jelkner> ok, i won't do anything with languages
[04:04] <ogra> the dhcpd needs a new option ... (next-server)
[04:04] <ogra> else the clients wont boot :/
[04:04] <jelkner> but speaking of languages, on our breezy boxes we are having great fun with them
[04:04] <MrMazda> this corruption has been a plague even on the failed edubuntu installs
[04:04] <MrMazda> ttys just HAVE to work
[04:04] <jelkner> i'm sitting here at a community center where all the folks speak spanish
[04:04] <ogra> but i think i'll revert that change to dhcpd for ubuntu ... its evil to introduce breaking changes with minor version upgrades imho
[04:04] <jelkner> i learned how to use the spanish keyboard
[04:05] <MrMazda> how do I screencap the corruption on a tty?
[04:05] <jelkner> and we are all on ubuntu-es chatting
[04:05] <Yagisan> MrMazda: I have no idea why your tty isn't working.  It works fine on all my headless boxes.
[04:05] <jelkner> cool!
[04:05] <ogra> jelkner, we had this topinc several times...
[04:05] <jelkner> which topic?
[04:05] <MrMazda> Yagisan: prolly ATI BS
[04:05] <ogra> .es lang stuff
[04:05] <MrMazda> only ATI box I have
[04:05] <ogra> i think you asked about 10 times about it now
[04:05] <Yagisan> MrMazda: could you try using the vesa framebuffer instead
[04:05] <jelkner> my apologies
[04:05] <ogra> :)
[04:05] <jelkner> i missed it each time ;-)
[04:06] <jelkner> but i got it now
[04:06] <MrMazda> Yagisan: kernel line is VGA=290 because VGA=788 failed
[04:06] <ogra> so tell me about sabayon
[04:06] <jelkner> btw. the german teacher in the room before me wants to use the ubuntu lab with her students
[04:06] <ogra> nice :)
[04:06] <Yagisan> MrMazda: well, that is a good indication of where the problem lies
[04:06] <jelkner> i'm planning on asking you if you know some good resources for them?
[04:06] <jelkner> ok, back to sabayon
[04:07] <MrMazda> Yagisan: same problem in all Debians, no problem in RPMs
[04:07] <jelkner> you said you can't use if from the clients
[04:07] <ogra> yes
[04:07] <jelkner> can i use if from the server to lock down client users?
[04:07] <MrMazda> Debian framebuffer is whacko
[04:07] <ogra> it opens a xnest window, xnest doesnt work through ssh tunnels
[04:07] <jelkner> ok, so we should wait on that
[04:07] <jelkner> yes?
[04:07] <ogra> but youcan make profiles with it directly on the server desktop
[04:07] <spacey_ki> only when you create the policy you need to do it on the server itself
[04:08] <spacey_ki> but if you activite it it works for everything
[04:08] <jelkner> but what happens on the client when the user tries to change things
[04:08] <spacey_ki> only the admin thingy needs to be on local box
[04:08] <ogra> i'm not sure that solveable at all, thats why i said i'm not sure we can include it at ubz
[04:08] <jelkner> folks are breaking their desktops
[04:08] <jelkner> accidentally deleting panels and stuff
[04:08] <ogra> not if you lock down these options
[04:09] <spacey_ki> jelkner, did you try using sabayon yet?
[04:09] <jelkner> no, i just installed it
[04:09] <jelkner> i'm just asking a few high level questions to save time
[04:09] <jelkner> like, "how should i try it?"
[04:09] <spacey_ki> i think you should give it a try first :p
[04:09] <ogra> yes, play with it ...
[04:10] <jelkner> ok, /me stops asking silly questions and goes off to try it...
[04:10] <spacey_ki> jelkner, if you can't figure it out after trying just ask back. i still have to fix it up myself. good opportunity
[04:10] <jelkner> ok
[04:10] <spacey_ki> anyway i'm out for shopping now before everything closes
[04:10] <spacey_ki> cya
[04:10] <ogra> i'm not even sure if we need the xnest stuff... its only for arranging the default desktop setup... the locking down feature doesnt use xnest
[04:11] <jelkner> cool
[04:11] <jelkner> first question: how to launch it?
[04:11] <jelkner> command line only?
[04:11] <spacey_ki> its in the menu :p
[04:11] <ogra> its in your system menu
[04:11] <jelkner> doesn't seem to be in the menu anywhere?
[04:11] <ogra> "User Profile Editor"
[04:11] <jelkner> oh, i see
[04:12] <ogra> i'm still not sure what this icon should represent :)
[04:12] <ogra> its just a golden swirl
[04:13] <Yagisan> MrMazda: a quick google doesn't anything that can grab a VGA console.  Try sudo cat /dev/vcs > screendump.txt
[04:14] <jelkner> oops, i click on "Edit" and get "Xsession: unable to launch "gnome" X session --- "gnome" not found; falling back to default session."
[04:14] <Yagisan> MrMazda: You will need to put your password in, but it should grab the screen for you
[04:15] <jelkner> never mind
[04:15] <jelkner> clicking ok and it started anyway
[04:15] <ogra> oh, in dapper it silently crashes ...
[04:16] <ogra> oh, yes, xnest is broken :)
[04:20] <lucasvo> MrMazda: no not really
[04:22] <ogra> luckily we have a totally different kernel to debian :)
[04:22] <ogra> including framebuffer functionallity
[04:22] <ogra> s/including/especially with the/
[04:22] <lucasvo> ogra: how about a powerbutton in ldm?
[04:22] <ogra> lucasvo, sure :)
[04:23] <ogra> but i have more important tasks ..
[04:23] <lucasvo> ogra: is it working from bzr?
[04:23] <ogra> ??
[04:23] <ogra> a powerbutton from bzr ?
[04:23] <lucasvo> ogra: no, a working powerbutton in ldm from bzr source
[04:23] <ogra> sure ...
[04:24] <lucasvo> ogra: how can I install it?
[04:24] <ogra> oh, you mean if its added in my bzr repo ? nope
[04:24] <lucasvo> ah
[04:24] <lucasvo> ogra: so there isn't any written code for now?
[04:24] <jelkner> ogra: no one can log in to the edubuntu server
[04:25] <ogra> as i said, i have otherpriorities, ldm powerbutton is only on my nice to have list
[04:25] <lucasvo> ogra: hm, ok
[04:25] <ogra> jelkner, look if the sshkeys are right
[04:25] <lucasvo> ogra: what are other priorities?
[04:25] <ogra> (or existing at all)
[04:25] <jelkner> i tried restarting dhcp, which had died, but it still isn't working
[04:25] <ogra> lucasvo, my specs ...
[04:25] <lucasvo> ogra: launchpad?
[04:26] <ogra> jelkner, dhcpd has nothing to do with it.... as long as the clients boot, tftp, dhcp and nfs are fine
[04:26] <ogra> no need to look there
[04:27] <MrMazda> how do I eradicate graphical boot?
[04:27] <jelkner> which log file should i look in?
[04:27] <ogra> jelkner, just look for the sshkeys ...
[04:27] <ogra> no logfile needed
[04:27] <jelkner> where?
[04:28] <ogra> where you looked the last times you had this ...
[04:28] <ogra> wait
[04:28] <lucasvo> I like the obsolete: EdubuntuUserManagement  ( Oliver Grawert)
[04:28] <ogra> /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts
[04:28] <jelkner> ok i need to take notes this time ;-)
[04:28] <ogra> jelkner, ^^^ look if the current server ip shows up there
[04:29] <ogra> if not, run: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys
[04:29] <ogra> then try to log in again
[04:30] <ogra> lucasvo, yes, thats obsoleted by the network user management spec that goes into ubuntu anyway (but dapper+1 for the server side)
[04:32] <lucasvo> I will probably buy a new server for my ltsp, I am thinking off 2x Opteron Dual Core, will there be any problems with ltsp?
[04:32] <lucasvo> Is it working with current dapper?
[04:32] <ogra> not with dapper
[04:32] <ogra> yup
[04:32] <lucasvo> so the multiarch support is fully included by now?
[04:33] <ogra> its not working with breezy ... you need the multiarch patch from Yagisan that already is included in dapper
[04:33] <ogra> yup
[04:33] <lucasvo> and what about flash etc. ?
[04:33] <lucasvo> binary drivers? for e.g. nvidia?
[04:33] <ogra> thats nothing i can solve, ask macromedia :)
[04:33] <lucasvo> but is it possible to run firefox under 32bit?
[04:34] <lucasvo> how about multicore + ubuntu is it working well?
[04:34] <lucasvo> or is it overpowered for ubuntu?
[04:35] <ogra> not at all
[04:35] <ogra> multicore and smp are fine ...
[04:35] <ogra> for 32bit apps you'll need to build a chroot etc ...
[04:36] <lucasvo> waaa
[04:36] <ogra> there are debian docs for that ...
[04:36] <lucasvo> ok, I think I can live without flash
[04:36] <ogra> its really only flash thats missing...
[04:36] <lucasvo> what else is closed source in ubuntu?
[04:36] <lucasvo> ah, ok
[04:36] <ogra> java for amd64 is fine, as well as all other stuff
[04:36] <ogra> nvidia/ati ...
[04:37] <ogra> but we'll wipe all binary drivers for the thin clients anyway
[04:37] <lucasvo> I don't have a 64bit thinclient :D
[04:37] <ogra> heh
[04:37] <MrMazda> [4294880.753000]  atkbd.c: Unknown key pressed (translated set 2, code 0xaa on isa0060/serio0).
[04:37] <lucasvo> or what do you mean?
[04:37] <lucasvo> MrMazda: that happens when you press shift+page up for example
[04:38] <MrMazda> Yagisan: that's one line of corruption I typed in
[04:38] <ogra> dropping of the binary drivers has nothing to do with 64bit
[04:38] <lucasvo> ogra: where will the binarydrivers be dropped?
[04:38] <jelkner> ogra: no one can log in now
[04:38] <lucasvo> ogra: on the server or in the chroot?
[04:38] <ogra> thats a keycode your kernel doesnt know about ... multimedia keys for example
[04:38] <jelkner> i tried sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys
[04:38] <MrMazda> lucasvo: draws a different screen
[04:38] <ogra> jelkner, did you look in the file
[04:38] <MrMazda> still messed up
[04:39] <MrMazda> even on restart with vga=normal
[04:39] <ogra> lucasvo, in the chroot
[04:39] <lucasvo> ogra: aha, ok
[04:39] <jelkner> yes, but what am i looking for?
 /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts
 ok i need to take notes this time ;-)
 jelkner, ^^^ look if the current server ip shows up there
 if not, run: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys
[04:40] <jelkner> i did
[04:40] <jelkner> and i also restarted the client
[04:40] <ogra> was anything in there ?
[04:40] <jelkner> in the file?
[04:40] <jelkner> a lot is there
[04:40] <jelkner> but i don't know what specifically i'm looking for
[04:40] <ogra>  <ogra> jelkner, ^^^ look if the current server ip shows up there
[04:40] <jelkner> ahh
[04:41] <agente87> hi everyon
[04:41] <MrMazda> doesn't matter what my vga= line has on it, always cursor keys flood the ttys with those error messages
[04:41] <jelkner> yes, it shows up several times
[04:41] <jelkner> the server has two ips
[04:41] <jelkner> they both show up
[04:41] <jelkner> and the hostname edubuntu as well
[04:41] <ogra> jelkner, several times is wrong
[04:42] <ogra> empty the file, run the update sshkeys command again...
[04:42] <jelkner> ok
[04:42] <ogra> it should show up one time as ip and one time with name
[04:42] <ogra> how often did you run the update command already  ?
[04:43] <lucasvo> hi agente87 !
[04:43] <agente87> hi lucas
[04:44] <agente87> how do you do?
[04:44] <lucasvo> well, and you?
[04:44] <lucasvo> agente87: how about your edubuntu installation?
[04:44] <lucasvo> ogra: could one just mount /home/ over nfs?
[04:45] <ogra> sure
[04:45] <lucasvo> agente87: maybe you could do this
[04:45] <agente87> i have made a shared folder
[04:45] <ogra> just add it in the servers fstab .... indeed you need a nfs server from where you mount it
[04:45] <lucasvo> agente87: I would suggest you install edubuntu-desktop on every client and mount /home/ over nfs
[04:45] <ogra> err ?
[04:46] <lucasvo> agente87: you mean on winXP?
[04:46] <ogra> why would you install anything on the client ?
[04:46] <agente87> nop, on edubuntu
[04:46] <lucasvo> agente87: ah, over the gui?
[04:46] <agente87> the gui?
[04:47] <lucasvo> ogra: because they have too powerful clients and too weak server
[04:47] <lucasvo> power of server = power of client
[04:47] <jelkner> ok, there are 6 entries now
[04:47] <ogra> so you dont want ltsp, but netbooting clients ...
[04:47] <jelkner> 2 each for edubuntu, <IP_ADDRESS>, and <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:47] <lucasvo> ogra: this would be good as well
[04:47] <jelkner> one ssh-rsa and one ssh-dss
[04:47] <ogra> jelkner, thats fine then
[04:48] <ogra> jelkner, make sure the ssh server is running any try to log in
[04:48] <lucasvo> ogra: did you get my query?
[04:48] <ogra> nope
[04:48] <agente87> in my school, teachers don't want edubuntu
[04:48] <lucasvo> ogra: hm, ok
[04:48] <lucasvo> ogra: so I didn't register my nick
[04:48] <ogra> are your registered ?
[04:48] <lucasvo> ogra: no
[04:48] <ogra> ah
[04:48] <ogra> do it then
[04:49] <ogra> agente87, why ?
[04:49] <lucasvo> ogra: what's the name of the register bot?
[04:50] <ogra> try /msg nickserv help
[04:50] <agente87> i'm trying to make them prove edubuntu
[04:50] <agente87> but they say they don't have time, it's new, you know
[04:50] <ogra> but why dont they want it ?
[04:50] <ogra> ah
[04:50] <ogra> :) fear the new :)
[04:51] <agente87> yes;-D
[04:51] <lucasvo> I don't know my nick pw anymore
[04:51] <agente87> why must i use a shared /home/ folder?
[04:51] <jelkner> ogra: we are in a lab with 7 terminals (one directly on the server)
[04:52] <jelkner> 3 users are logged in
[04:52] <jelkner> and have been all morning
[04:52] <jelkner> no new users can log in on any of the remaining workstations
[04:52] <jelkner> i've tried restarting ssh
[04:52] <lucasvo> ogra: do you know how I can reset my pw?
[04:52] <ogra> hmmm, no idea what that is ...
[04:52] <ogra> lucasvo, nope
[04:53] <lucasvo> crap
[04:53] <agente87> nop
[04:53] <ogra> jelkner, thats an info you should have given before you said nobody can log in
[04:54] <agente87> lucasvo: why should i use a shared /home folder?
[04:54] <lucasvo> ah now it works
[04:54] <lucasvo> agente87: that all the users have their own homedir on every client
[04:54] <lucasvo> workstation
[04:55] <jelkner> ogra: ok
[04:56] <agente87> ok, like active desktop in windows
[04:56] <jelkner> so, now that i have (late, i understand), what next?
[04:56] <ogra> no idea ...
[04:57] <lucasvo> ogra: could one use netboot with pxe?
[04:57] <ogra> sure
[04:57] <ogra> thats what ltsp does :)
[04:58] <agente87> i'm trying to get some Pentiums 100 to make a classroom with ltsp
[04:58] <agente87> it's too complicated? i have just begin with linux
[04:58] <agente87> it's too complicated? i have just begun with linux
[04:59] <ogra> nope, not complicated at all
[04:59] <lucasvo> agente87: the only problem will be the weak server
[05:00] <jelkner> ogra: but it looks like we've hit some edubuntu bugs
[05:00] <jelkner> shouldn't we investigate?
[05:00] <jelkner> i could try rebooting the server
[05:01] <agente87> i have spoken with my director and he will buy some ram
[05:01] <jelkner> and let you know what happens
[05:01] <MrMazda> lucasvo: I'm not gonna file a bug on the HorizSync/VertRefresh because that original xorg.conf works OK since I've updated everything
[05:01] <lucasvo> MrMazda: ok
[05:01] <MrMazda> too many such bugs already, and most dupes or fixed
[05:01] <lucasvo> MrMazda: mine hasn't been fixed so far
[05:02] <lucasvo> MrMazda: I had exactly the same probelm
[05:02] <MrMazda> still the console corruption problem is huge
[05:02] <lucasvo> MrMazda: you mean the unknown key messages?
[05:02] <MrMazda> doesn't matter which vga= I use, always unknown key messages
[05:02] <MrMazda> tty corruption == unknown key messages
[05:03] <lucasvo> MrMazda: maybe it is a wrong keyboard driver?
[05:03] <MrMazda> I tried asking in #kubuntu, but that place is all noise
[05:03] <lucasvo> exactly
[05:03] <lucasvo> and ubuntu as well
[05:04] <ogra> MrMazda, note that the keycode errors are totally unrelated to the vga= setting
[05:04] <MrMazda> obviously
[05:04] <ogra> they are two different things in the kernel ...
[05:04] <MrMazda> how do I eradicate the graphical boot?
[05:05] <ogra> you mean usplash ?
[05:05] <MrMazda> whatever it is that keeps the text messages away
[05:05] <ogra> just remove the splash keywoprd from the kernel line
[05:06] <MrMazda> with other kernels/other distros, splash=0 or nosplash was the method, but they don't work here :-p
[05:06] <jsgotangco> hey
[05:07] <lucasvo> .w 12
[05:07] <lucasvo> sorry
[05:07] <jsgotangco> ogra, do you have any knowledge on limitations of distribution about our pressed cds?
[05:07] <ogra> we dont even have agreement that we'll get pressed CDs yet
[05:08] <jsgotangco> ogra, sorry i was supposed to say ubuntu cds in general
[05:08] <jsgotangco> ogra, what i mean is for situations like this http://www.ebay.ph/viItem?ItemId=5841560525
[05:09] <ogra> hmm, nope, i'm not working with the shipit team ... ask marilize, kiko or silbs if you can catch them on irc
[05:09] <jsgotangco> yep
[05:09] <ogra> heh
[05:09] <ogra> how much are PHP 250 ?
[05:09] <ogra> in euro or $ ?
[05:10] <jsgotangco> $1USD = P50
[05:10] <ogra> so its $5 ?
[05:10] <jsgotangco> roughly
[05:10] <ogra> i dont think anybody really cares
[05:11] <jsgotangco> because i wouldn't like to see a situation where people here ask for CDs and sell for something like that
[05:11] <jsgotangco> when they can just ask me for one
[05:11] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:11] <jsgotangco> we
[05:11] <jsgotangco> we'll see
[05:11] <jsgotangco> =)
[05:11] <ogra> indeed, if you have the sparetime, monitor the auction and offer them to do so ...
[05:12] <ogra> ;)
[05:12] <ogra> or point them to shipit
[05:12] <lucasvo> *lol*
[05:12] <lucasvo> courtesy of OSdir.com
[05:12] <MrMazda> ogra: thx :)
[05:12] <ogra> :)
[05:13] <ogra> i would have told you earlier, but didnt know waht your problem was :)
[05:13] <MrMazda> nfs mount takes WAY to long :(
[05:13] <ogra> yup, agreed
[05:13] <ogra> will be fixed in dapper
[05:14] <ogra> funnily it takes 3times as long at first boot... the second boot works like a charm ...
[05:14] <ogra> i havent found the root of the prob yet ...
[05:15] <MrMazda> it's really bad in single, since there is no network in single
[05:15] <jelkner> ogra: oliver, i don't know if sabayon had anything to do with it, but i removed sabayon, we rebooted the server, and we can log in again
[05:15] <MrMazda> takes forever to time out
[05:15] <MrMazda> I forgot noauto in FSTAB
[05:15] <lucasvo> MrMazda: you mean ntp date?
[05:15] <lucasvo> MrMazda: ah nfs
[05:15] <ogra> jelkner, since you did it both at th same time i cant tell  you either
[05:15] <MrMazda> mount -t nfs
[05:16] <jsgotangco> hey jelkner
[05:16] <MrMazda> portmap: server localhost not responding
[05:16] <jelkner> ogra: i understand, not good testing proceedure, but we are in a training session and need things to work
[05:16] <ogra> yup
[05:16] <MrMazda> RPC: failed to contact portmap
[05:16] <jelkner> i'll test more in another environment later
[05:16] <lucasvo> MrMazda: /etc/init.d/portmap start
[05:17] <ogra> + sudo  ;)
[05:17] <lucasvo> ogra: sudo su && ...
[05:17] <ogra> bah
[05:17] <MrMazda>  bash: /etc/init.d/portmap: No such file or directory
[05:17] <ogra> ugh
[05:18] <ogra> how did you install your system ?
[05:18] <MrMazda> "workstation" from CD boot
[05:18] <MrMazda> IIRC
[05:18] <lucasvo> MrMazda: edubuntu? kubuntu?
[05:18] <MrMazda> mebbe that was edubutu
[05:18] <ogra> ah, ok, that doesnt install any server parts
[05:18] <MrMazda> kubuntu
[05:19] <ogra> kubuntu has no workstation install
[05:19] <MrMazda> kubuntu is the problem ATM
[05:19] <ogra> that unique in edubuntu
[05:19] <MrMazda> well than I didn't
[05:19] <lucasvo> MrMazda: exactly
[05:19] <MrMazda> well then I didn't
[05:19] <MrMazda> ;-)
[05:19] <ogra> since edubuntu defaults to a server install, we included this option
[05:19] <MrMazda> the nfs mounts finally finished
[05:19] <ogra> no other ubuntu has it
[05:20] <lucasvo> MrMazda: you need portmap
[05:20] <ogra> but you need portmap installed on a nfs server ...
[05:20] <MrMazda> nfs mount means nfs client
[05:20] <ogra> there you dont need anything ...
[05:21] <MrMazda> so why the delay mounting?
[05:21] <ogra> i thought you talk about ltsp ...
[05:22] <ogra> it doesnt happen in normal ubuntu nfs mounts
[05:24] <ogra> what kind of server do you run ?
[05:24] <a-865> just this Mandriva 2006 box
[05:24] <ogra> might be a misconfiguration on the server ...
[05:24] <MrMazda> nah, works fine for everything else
[05:24] <lucasvo> MrMazda: nfs on another client?
[05:25] <lucasvo> MrMazda: so you installed mandriva on you daughters pc?
[05:25] <ogra> mounting nfs shares between 2 ubuntu boxes takes milliseconds here
[05:26] <ogra> up to 1-2 seconds over 5Mbit wlan ...
[05:27] <lucasvo> :(
[05:27] <lucasvo> I have my wlan
[05:27] <lucasvo> *hate
[05:27] <lucasvo> it is stupid
[05:27] <lucasvo> slow
[05:27] <ogra> wokrs fine here ...
[05:27] <ogra> yes, thats true ...
[05:27] <lucasvo> ogra: I have it over 3 storeys
[05:27] <ogra> but thats a HW limitation
[05:27] <lucasvo> exactly
[05:27] <lucasvo> and money
[05:28] <lucasvo> and law limitation
[05:28] <ogra> law ?
[05:28] <lucasvo> 100mW?
[05:28] <ogra> s/law/health/ ?
[05:28] <lucasvo> I mean limitation by law
[05:28] <lucasvo> no law
[05:28] <lucasvo> maybe law is because of health
[05:29] <ogra> i wouldnt want something with >100Mw on my lap ...
[05:29] <lucasvo> jup
[05:29] <ogra> and boil my guts ...
[05:29] <jsgotangco> even your nuts
[05:29] <ogra> heh
[05:29] <lucasvo> that's why I will soon have fibre
[05:30] <ogra> wireless fibre ?
[05:30] <ogra> i.e. a lightbulb ?
[05:30] <ogra> :)
[05:30] <lucasvo> ogra: ronja.twibright.com is exactly what you mean
[05:31] <lucasvo> ogra: but I will use ordinary fibre
[05:32] <ogra> ah, yes, i once worked with such a laser driven system...
[05:32] <ogra> but thats bad in snow etc ...
[05:32] <ogra> if you can put the link on the roof, i prefer a yagi anteanna and wlan ...
[05:32] <lucasvo> it is not laser only lled
[05:33] <a-865> noauto,ro,nosuid,soft,rsize=8192,wsize=8192 instead of defaults,noauto didn't help ogra
[05:33] <ogra> even worse in bad waehter
[05:33] <ogra> which kernel does mandriva use ?
[05:33] <Yagisan> did someone say yagi ?
[05:34] <ogra> there were issues in older 2.6 versions ... try setting the framesizes to 1048
[05:34] <ogra> err
[05:34] <jsgotangco> antennae
[05:34] <ogra> 2048
[05:34] <jsgotangco> =)
[05:34] <lucasvo> ogra: I am a ronja developer...
[05:34] <a-865> 2.6.12 here
[05:35] <MrMazda> on all my other boxen 8192 works fine
[05:36] <MrMazda> portmap is missing from system services :-p
[05:36] <ogra> in mandriva ?
[05:36] <ogra> thats odd
[05:36] <MrMazda> no, kubuntu
[05:36] <ogra> sure
[05:38] <ogra> as long as you dont use it as a server, you wont have such evil stuff installed
[05:39] <MrMazda> either I install it, or some different distro
[05:39] <ogra> you dont need protmap on the client side
[05:40] <MrMazda> every linux in this building is a nfs server
[05:40] <MrMazda> samba sux
[05:40] <ogra> so install nfs-kernel-server and be happy
[05:40] <ogra> it will install portmap alongside
[05:41] <ogra> but nbote that ubuntu has a policy of no open ports by default for security reasons ... so server stuff has to be instaled manually in a default ubuntu
[05:42] <MrMazda> now it wants the @#$#$ CD o_O
[05:42] <lucasvo> MrMazda: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:42] <ogra> sure
[05:42] <ogra> if you didnt run synaptic to add other sources
[05:42] <lucasvo> MrMazda: and add # to the first line
[05:42] <MrMazda> I added sources yesterday
[05:43] <ogra> with synaptic ?
[05:43] <MrMazda> with adept
[05:43] <ogra> it comments the Cd entry if you add network sources
[05:43] <ogra> lol
[05:43] <ogra> adept
[05:43] <MrMazda> inept
[05:43] <ogra> the first packaging tool with bugzilla interface
[05:44] <ogra> the search functions look and feel like a bugzilla ....
[05:45] <ogra> the ksynaptic UI was far beyond ... but sucked in the backend ...
[05:45] <ogra> thats an area where kubuntu really needs improvement ...
[05:54] <ivan> i have Transmetta processor. can I make kernel?
[05:55] <ogra> on the server or the thin clients ?
[05:57] <MrMazda> installing nfs0=-kernel-server got rid of the problem
[05:57] <MrMazda> installing nfs-kernel-server got rid of the problem ogra
[05:59] <MrMazda> wierd, system services says portmap starts at boot but isn't running :-p
[06:00] <MrMazda> same for nfs-kernel-server and nfs-common o_O
[06:01] <lucasvo> ogra: how many clients can one run over 10mbit?
[06:02] <ogra> MrMazda, is that updated from hoary ?
[06:02] <MrMazda> no, CD install last night
[06:02] <a-865> not running, but mounted here :-p
[06:02] <ogra> lucasvo, there are numbers at ltsp.org anywhere
[06:04] <ogra> nfs-kernel-server only starts with proper /etc/exports ...
[06:05] <MrMazda> system services applet seems totally bogus
[06:05] <ogra> works fine here
[06:05] <MrMazda> won't let me disable pcmcia
[06:05] <MrMazda> or anything else
[06:05] <MrMazda> or tell me stuff that's running is running
[06:05] <ogra> but you run it woth sudo, yes ?
[06:05] <MrMazda> run what
[06:06] <ogra> services-admin
[06:06] <ogra> what else ?
[06:06] <ogra> we dont have anything else in edubuntu for services
[06:06] <MrMazda> all I did was click system services
[06:06] <MrMazda> this is kubuntu
[06:06] <ogra> so please ask in -kubuntu about it
[06:06] <ogra> #kubuntu
[06:07] <MrMazda> that place is a hopeless pile of noise
[06:07] <ogra> we're edubuntu here
[06:07] <ogra> and dont use KDE apart from kdeedu
[06:07] <ogra> in #kubuntu ?
[06:08] <jsgotangco> no a certain osdl thread...
[06:08] <jsgotangco> hehe
[06:08] <MrMazda> both #kubuntu and #unbuntu are noise jungles
[06:08] <ogra> heh
[06:08] <ogra> MrMazda, but this is exclusively for edubuntu here ... please treat it ike that
[06:08] <MrMazda> I tried to install edubuntu yesterday 3 times but had to give up and do kubuntu
[06:08] <ogra> i'm fine with helping for edubuntu related stuff ...
[06:09] <ogra> but my time is limited and i'm not willing to do Riddells work ...
[06:09] <MrMazda> freespace on / is 473212 - Is that enuf for add the edu package?
[06:10] <ogra> edubuntu-desktop ?
[06:10] <ogra> nope
[06:10] <ogra> as i said, you need a min amount of2.6Gb
[06:11] <MrMazda> until I stumble on a bigger disk for the kid's puter that's all there is
[06:11] <ogra> about 1-200MB less if yu dont have the server stuff installed
[06:11] <MrMazda> web site sys req doc should say how much is really required
[06:11] <MrMazda> I wouldn't have tried otherwise
[06:11] <ogra> it will
[06:12] <ogra> but its easy to compute from the ubuntu sizes ...
[06:12] <MrMazda> mebbe I can steal some space from doze for /home and use the whole #2 HD for edubuntu
[06:12] <ogra> ubuntu itself needs at least 2.2-2.4 GB
[06:13] <ogra> you could resize the win partition
[06:13] <ogra> with gparted from the liveCD
[06:13] <lucasvo> MrMazda: delete /home and mount /home over nfs
[06:14] <MrMazda> the 7G doze partition is only 44% used
[06:14] <ogra> but your /home is not the problem, the apps are installed in /
[06:14] <lucasvo> MrMazda: so delete doze
[06:14] <MrMazda> too soon for that
[06:15] <MrMazda> lotta stuff there
[06:22] <MrMazda> ogra: I'm gonna just get rid of separate /home for now and give edubuntu the whole  HD
[06:22] <MrMazda> I can deal with separate /home some other time
[06:22] <lucasvo> MrMazda: and after you have been convinced by the power of edubuntu you can get rid of windoze
[06:23] <MrMazda> mebbe, but I still don't like Gnome. Kid prolly won't know difference though
[06:23] <lucasvo> MrMazda: yes
[06:23] <lucasvo> MrMazda: and you will learn to love gnome
[06:24] <MrMazda>  /hates lack of customizability & dumbing down
[06:24] <jsgotangco> gconf
[06:24] <lucasvo> another linux
[06:25] <MrMazda> fingers need a rest :-p
[06:28] <lucasvo> MrMazda: it is not dumbing down
[06:28] <lucasvo> MrMazda: it is just showing only the things one uses often
[06:28] <MrMazda> I've hated Gnome ugliness since I first saw it in 1998
[06:28] <lucasvo> MrMazda: do you think it is still ugly?
[06:29] <MrMazda> not as bad, but still less fun than KDE
[06:30] <lucasvo> kde is ugly bloatware
[06:30] <lucasvo> :D
[06:30] <ivan> I propose edubuntu for city school. Here we discuss only tech or I can to get help in educaction?
[06:30] <jsgotangco> hey no desktop flames here
[06:31] <lucasvo> ivan: both
[06:31] <jsgotangco> do it in ubuntu-offtopic
[06:31] <MrMazda> I think the kid's puter's PS is toast :-(
[06:31] <MrMazda> won't turn back on
[06:32] <lucasvo> PS?
[06:32] <MrMazda> power supply
[06:32] <MrMazda> did that several times yesterday too
[06:32] <lucasvo> aha
[06:33] <lucasvo> ivan: what's the schools infrastructure?
[06:35] <ivan> I propose edubuntu for 100 schools in my city
[06:37] <MrMazda> took it back upstairs and it started right up :-p
[06:37] <MrMazda> gonna try gparted then add the edu package
[06:37] <lucasvo> ivan: cool
[06:38] <lucasvo> ivan: that's awesome
[06:38] <lucasvo> ivan: where?
[06:39] <ivan> in Samara in Russia.
[06:44] <MrMazda> lucasvo: FWIW, I use SeaMonkey rather than Firefox due to the missing features in FF
[06:44] <MrMazda> I like lotsa choices
[06:52] <ivan> Do use anybody  edubuntu in school for study math or phusic?
[06:53] <lucasvo_> ivan: there are some applications for math and physics
[06:54] <lucasvo_> kmplot for e.g.
[06:57] <ivan> Yes, i know. But I interesting how use in class? How method? May be it is strange questions for West, but in East we have to plan.
[06:57] <lucasvo_> ivan: we dont use pc in class for now...
[06:57] <lucasvo_> at our school
[07:00] <ivan> It's strange. On our TV and in the our newspaper we see many west school with many pc.
[07:02] <ivan> The Rissia goverment plan to use pc in the school
[07:03] <ivan> In 2006 more 10 000 pc will be install in the schools for education
[08:20] <MrMazda> @#$@#$ vfat checker in the installer
[08:20] <MrMazda> always finds errors scandisk can't
[08:23] <Lord_Athur> I use a lot the bash shell, can I change its default colours?
[08:23] <Lord_Athur> for example: when I put dir I'd like to see the folders of a colour(red) :P
[08:24] <Lord_Athur> is this possible?
[08:51] <MrMazda> o_O http://www.google.com/linux?num=30&hl=en&lr=lang_en&q=site%3Aedubuntu.com+ltsp&btnG=Search
[08:53] <MrMazda> where the heck is the definition of LTSP hiding?
[08:56] <MrMazda> why does the site map on edubuntu.com take you to the ubuntu.com site map?
[09:28] <mhz> MrMazda: hey there
[09:28] <mhz> so, KDE it is?
[09:28] <MrMazda> was
[09:29] <MrMazda> repartitioned, installing edubuntu again
[09:29] <MrMazda> qtparted wouldn't work
[09:29] <MrMazda> so started from scratch
[09:29] <mhz> oh, I never used it. I always used cfdisk (command line)
[09:30] <MrMazda> I wanted to delete /home and enlarge /
[09:30] <MrMazda> it wouldn't let me do anything with /
[09:38] <ogra> MrMazda, used a liveCd as i advised before ?
[09:39] <MrMazda> livecd I had was Knoppix with qtparted
[09:39] <ogra> uuh, knoppix ...
[09:39] <ogra> isnt that fully 2.4 based ?
[09:39] <MrMazda> 2.6.11 IIRC, v4.0
[09:39] <ogra> ah, then i wonder why it didnt work
[09:40] <MrMazda> new ver every 4 months or so
[09:40] <MrMazda> blocked the target partition, no idea why
[09:40] <ogra> gparted on the ubuntu livecd is proven to work with all ext* partitions as well as with most win based partitions
[09:40] <MrMazda> lotta stuff in Knoppix is like tht
[09:40] <Hemet_Ka> how can i open squashfs files?
[09:41] <ogra> since its only a frontend to parted, i guess qtparted would work as well ..
[09:41] <mhz> MrMazda: did you try latest DamnSamllLinux?
[09:41] <MrMazda> no
[09:41] <ogra> Hemet_Ka, where in edubuntu do you use squashfs ?
[09:41] <mhz> DSL is a very nice and small livecd that lets you do plenty
[09:42] <Hemet_Ka> ogra, I'm trying to open a file of a CD
[09:42] <mhz> MrMazda: however, i do not remember exactly about its partition system (again, cfdisk is simple and very efective)
[09:42] <ogra> Hemet_Ka, an iso ?
[09:42] <ogra> you can just loop mount it
[09:43] <MrMazda> Corel, Caldera, RedHat, Knoppix, Fedora, SuSE, Mandrake, Mandriva, Xandros all I ever used b4 trying edubuntu/kubuntu yesterday
[09:43] <mhz> MrMazda: iirc DSL is about 50 MB only  and its gui is prety cool
[09:43] <MrMazda> AFAIK, cfdisk cannot resize
[09:43] <ogra> nope, it cannot
[09:43] <Hemet_Ka> ogra, it's a file put in a live cd
[09:43] <mhz> MrMazda: maybe right
[09:44] <mhz> MrMazda: but i doubt you have info already there, do you?
[09:44] <ogra> Hemet_Ka, no idea, and there is no edubuntu liveCD yet ...
[09:44] <MrMazda> I do all my partitioning with http://www.dfsee.com/ but it won't resize ext2
[09:44] <mhz> MrMazda: why you chose ext2 over 3?
[09:44] <MrMazda> same difference
[09:44] <ogra> yes, that an intresting choice
[09:44] <MrMazda> same difference in the partition tables
[09:45] <MrMazda> ogra: what?
[09:45] <ogra> choosing ext2 over 3
[09:45] <Hemet_Ka> ogra, I'm using edubuntu, but the live cd is of necromantux
[09:45] <ogra> ah
[09:45] <MrMazda> ext3 is ext3
[09:45] <MrMazda> ext3 is ext2
[09:45] <mhz> ohh, hehehe, I always endup doing mkfs.ext3 :)
[09:45] <ogra> Hemet_Ka, but still, there is no method i know
[09:45] <Hemet_Ka> :S
[09:46] <Hemet_Ka> anyway.. thanks ogra and bye
[09:47] <ogra> he should probably use squashfs-tools :)
[09:47] <MrMazda>  /boot -> ext2; / -> ext3
[09:48] <MrMazda> same type 83 for both in the tables
[09:51] <ogra> wohoo ... i can read out the phonebook of my razr v3 :)
[09:51] <ogra> time to write a gui app :)
[09:57] <mhz> ogra: what's that?
[09:57] <ogra> my mobile ...
[09:57] <mhz> a mobile
[09:57] <mhz> ok
[09:57] <ogra> a very recent motorola
[09:57] <mhz> nice
[09:58] <mhz> bluetooth?
[09:58] <ogra> and you can just access it via imple AT commands
[09:58] <ogra> *simple
[09:58] <ogra> bluetooth too...
[09:58] <mhz> cool
[09:58] <ogra> but i was only playing with the usb cable for now
[10:00] <ogra> at+mpbf="Mauricio Hernandez" would just show me all data about you in my phone ...
[10:00] <mhz> nice!
[10:00] <ogra> including mailadress, address, and all known numbers
[10:01] <mhz> what if that also shows you the logs  about calls and calendars and to do?
[10:01] <mhz> all that regarding Mauricio Hernandez, of course
[10:01] <ogra> if i find the way pumping data *into* the phone, i can just send my evolution addressbook, including IM data (there is a jabber blient for this phone)
[10:01] <mhz> cool!
[10:02] <ogra> but anyway,just a pet project ... typically for never being finished ;)
[10:02] <mhz> I whish evolution could have 'threaded' calendars, tasks and addressbooks
[10:02] <mhz> ogra: hehehe inded
[10:04] <ogra> even more cool would be bluetooth acces, registering an alsa device and being able to use a headset attached to my lappie to use the phone ...
[10:08] <crimsun> need a bit more robust bt support in ALSA first
[10:11] <MrMazda> edub sure takes a long time to install
[10:21] <mhz> ogra, ogra, ogra... a real cool pet project could be to have a gui install for Moin :D
[10:28] <mhz> ogra: have you seen kjcole?
[10:34] <ogra> nope
[10:34] <ogra> he mailed me some bzr questions...
[10:34] <ogra> but we havent met
[10:35] <mhz> :(
[10:35] <mhz> me neither
[11:13] <MrMazda> mount: unknown filesystem type: nfs :(
[11:13] <MrMazda> ogra: u there? install done, and badly
[11:14] <ogra> but you read the docs as advised in the topic ?
[11:14] <MrMazda> day or two ago
[11:14] <ogra> and follwed it ?
[11:14] <MrMazda> can't remember it all after 7 installs
[11:14] <ogra> whats wrong with the install ?
[11:14] <MrMazda> no X, corrupt consoles, no nfs
[11:15] <ogra> hmm, what did you do ? youre the first person reporting probs there
[11:16] <MrMazda> kubuntu had no problem configuring usable X without any help
[11:16] <ogra> its the same configuration tool
[11:16] <MrMazda> I dunno, that's what happened
[11:16] <ogra> apart from the desktop all ubuntus are 100% identical
[11:16] <MrMazda> without nfs can't get logs onto server to upload for anyone to look at
[11:17] <ogra> so only if you did soemthing that broke the install thic could happen
[11:17] <ogra> have you seen any errors ?
[11:17] <MrMazda> EE stuff in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[11:18] <ogra> nope, i mean during the install ...
[11:18] <MrMazda> I wasn't looking the whole 2 hours
[11:18] <ogra> it should run cleanly until it starts X in the end of the process
[11:18] <ogra> with a reboot in the middle
[11:19] <MrMazda> maybe it doesn't like me interrupting that in order to put my bootloader back the way it found it?
[11:19] <MrMazda> rude to not ask me where to put bootloader
[11:19] <ogra> oh, so you didnt use the default install
[11:19] <MrMazda> tried workstation install
[11:20] <ogra> thats fine ...
[11:20] <MrMazda> isn't there some installation log somewhere?
[11:20] <ogra> then your install is 100% identical with kubuntu, except that gnoem is installed instead of kde, i wonder what happened there
[11:20] <ogra> sure, in 7var/lo7onstaller and /var/log/base-config
[11:21] <ogra> GRRRR
[11:21] <ogra> /var/log/istaller
[11:21] <ogra> *installer
[11:21] <ogra> sorry, its very late here
[11:21] <MrMazda> I got apt configured with universe and installed mc
[11:21] <ogra> post install ?
[11:21] <MrMazda> yes
[11:21] <ogra> thats fine ...
[11:22] <MrMazda> but why no nfs?
[11:22] <ogra> but the broken install is what bothers me... also 2h are *very* unusual
[11:22] <MrMazda> I thought that was in kernel?
[11:22] <ogra> nope, its modular, but gets auoloaded
[11:22] <ogra> by hotplug ...
[11:22] <ogra> as all modules are
[11:23] <ogra> which CD did you use ?
[11:23] <MrMazda> en 5.10 edubuntu
[11:23] <ogra> the 5.10 release ? or a daily from the de release
[11:23] <ogra> *dev
[11:24] <MrMazda> 13 Oct
[11:24] <ogra> hmm,  never saw anyone having probs with it ...
[11:24] <MrMazda> my birthday
[11:24] <ogra> oh, then you have on the same day as our CTO :)
[11:24] <MrMazda> 54 years later
[11:24] <ogra> sure ?
[11:25] <ogra> so you are in the 70s ?
[11:25] <MrMazda> ?
[11:25] <MrMazda> 1951
[11:25] <ogra> ah
[11:25] <ogra> he is something like 27 or 28 years old ....
[11:25] <MrMazda> Kubunto Official Release 13 Oct, right?
[11:26] <ogra> so 54+27 would be quite old ;)
[11:26] <MrMazda> Edubuntu Official Release 13 Oct, right?
[11:26] <ogra> yup
[11:26] <ogra> same base, different desktop
[11:26] <MrMazda> I could install kubuntu again, than add the edu pkg
[11:26] <ogra> thats what i mean, its pretty unusual that you have probs there ...
[11:27] <MrMazda> all because qtparted wouldn't let me resize
[11:27] <ogra> since the X server/autodetection etc are 100% the same
[11:27] <MrMazda> I'll go try one more time
[11:27] <MrMazda> if that doesn't work, back to SuSE
[11:27] <ogra> hmm :/
[11:28] <lucasvo> SuSE was good, but isn't anymore
[11:28] <ogra> did anything change with the HW between kubuntu and this install ?
[11:28] <MrMazda> works for me
[11:28] <lucasvo> I havn't tried opensuse
[11:28] <MrMazda> just moved the box downstairs then back upstairs
[11:28] <ogra> yes, but i would be sad to loose a user ..
[11:29] <MrMazda> leaving mc out of a base install is one strike to start with, and console non-working is strike 2; only save is tty works OK in runlevel 1
[11:29] <lucasvo> exactly
[11:29] <ogra> different monitor ?
[11:30] <MrMazda> nope
[11:30] <MrMazda> identical
[11:30] <MrMazda> debians always give me headaches rpms don't
[11:30] <ogra> hmm, so why did X detection work in kubuntu but not in edubuntu then :/
[11:30] <MrMazda> had Xandros mostly working
[11:31] <MrMazda> Xandros was mostly nice, but it too has broken ttys
[11:31] <ogra> i never saw xandros ...
[11:31] <MrMazda> upstairs I used a different USB mouse
[11:31] <ogra> hmm....
[11:32] <MrMazda> same one that worked with kubuntu
[11:32] <ogra> could you try with the same HW you used in kubuntu ?
[11:32] <MrMazda> it IS the same
[11:32] <ogra> especially the WS install should be a no brainer ..
[11:32] <MrMazda> except
[11:33] <ogra> answer 10 questions and just wait till its finished ... no rocket sience ...
[11:33] <MrMazda> I think I typed in 'linux workstation vga=788' instead of just workstation
[11:33] <ogra> ah
[11:33] <ogra> that might have broken it ...
[11:33] <ogra> just use workstation
[11:33] <lucasvo> any thoughts of using graphical installation?
[11:33] <ogra> did you use such a string with kubuntu ?
[11:33] <MrMazda> there is one?
[11:33] <ogra> nope
[11:33] <MrMazda> don't remember what I started kubuntu with
[11:34] <MrMazda> prolly just enter
[11:34] <ogra> dapper will have the ubuntu express installer ...
[11:34] <MrMazda> dapper needs to ask where I want boot loader
[11:34] <lucasvo> ogra: what is ubuntu express installer?
[11:34] <ogra> so we will stop sending out install CD through shipit and ship only the liveCD with ubuntu/kubuntu express
[11:34] <lucasvo> ah, cool
[11:35] <ogra> saves 50% of money
[11:35] <MrMazda> I'm gonna go start again with just workstation
[11:35] <lucasvo> ogra: I was thinking about asking to include such a function to dapper
[11:35] <ogra> MrMazda, thanks :)
[11:35] <ogra> lucasvo, it was long planned ...
[11:35] <lucasvo> ogra: guess great minds are similar
[11:35] <lucasvo> :D
[11:36] <ogra> we already planned it at the sydney conference for breezy ... but switching to gcc4 and modular X took to long in breezy
[11:36] <ogra> so there was no time left for development
[11:37] <ogra> and i was planned for the gui stuff in the beginning, before i suddenly got edubuntu assigned 3 months before release date ...
[11:37] <ogra> so i had no time at all to work on it and had to care for building edubuntu instead ...
[11:39] <lucasvo> I think this has more priority
[11:39] <lucasvo> what about yast, I am quite surprised, yast didn't gain popularity when it became oss
[11:40] <ogra> because its crap
[11:40] <ogra> MrMazda is right, suse once was a very nice distro ...
[11:40] <ogra> then they invented yast2  ...
[11:41] <ogra> nd stopped doing things right ... which they did before
[11:41] <ogra> i remember the first suse i saw ...
[11:42] <ogra> it was 14 floppys and basicly a slackware with added value :)
[11:42] <lucasvo> :D
[11:42] <lucasvo> when I first saw it there was already a CD
[11:43] <ogra> i decided to go with the *real* slackware back then ....
[11:43] <ogra> and was very soon forced to use debian by my job ...
[11:44] <lucasvo> my friend had a linux from scratch but now he doesn't have time anymore next to work
[11:45] <MrMazda> ogra: copying from CD ...
[11:45] <ogra> great :)
[11:45] <MrMazda> other distros I usually do FTP installs
[11:46] <ogra> other distros also come on 20 CDs ;)
[11:46] <MrMazda> or 7 or 8 or 5 or 3 :)
[11:46] <ogra> hehe
[11:46] <ogra> yes :)
[11:47] <ogra> we have either a DVD (with all supported software) or the CD ...
[11:47] <ogra> putting all 17000 packages on media would result in about 5 stuffed DVDs
[11:48] <ogra> or even more ...
[11:48] <MrMazda> I bought the SuSE 10 box, came with no manual, made me very mad
[11:48] <ogra> if the distro is good enough to need no manual, thats fine imho ...
[11:49] <MrMazda> need some manual every now and then
[11:49] <ogra> i agree with stallman in this point ... a real perfect software is good enough to need a manual ...
[11:49] <MrMazda> my last too old for udev and 2.6 kernels
[11:49] <ogra> sadly there is no real perfect software in this world *G*
[11:49] <MrMazda> sure there is, OS/2 :)
[11:49] <ogra> heh
[11:50] <ogra> a bit outdated though ...
[11:50] <ogra> did you try the new version ?
[11:50] <ogra> they released something this year iirc
[11:50] <MrMazda> kernel I'm running is 3 months old
[11:50] <MrMazda> 849,262 bytes
[11:51] <MrMazda> doesn't limit me to 15 SATA partitions either
[11:52] <ogra> i dont even have 15 partitions in use ...
[11:52] <ogra> nowhere
[11:53] <MrMazda> http://www.ecomstation.com/
[11:53] <MrMazda> this disk has about 40
[11:53] <a-865> this also has about 40
[11:53] <ogra> but what for ?
[11:53] <MrMazda> FIFO
[11:53] <MrMazda> backup
[11:53] <MrMazda> lotsa smalls
[11:54] <ogra> the ecomstation gui somewhat reminds me on amiga ...
[11:54] <MrMazda> I've preordered 2.0
[11:55] <MrMazda> the OS/2 WPS is why people stay instead of switching
[11:56] <MrMazda> IBM moved the primary OS/2 kernel hacker onto Linux 1 Dec, so the future is not bright
[11:57] <ogra> why ? he could enhance linux with os/2 features :)
[11:58] <MrMazda> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.os2.bugs/msg/1ee73f8bbddfac18?hl=en&
[11:59] <ogra> yes, but he's agreat mind, so it will get linux forward ... the OS/2 business is a dead end as long as ibm doesnt want to invest there
[12:00] <MrMazda> The eCS people want to eventually have the OS/2 desktop working on BSD or something like that
[12:00] <MrMazda> people aren't web to OS/2, only its WPS
[12:00] <MrMazda> people aren't wed to OS/2, only its WPS
[12:01] <ogra> yes, but still, there is no business model behind it anymore ... as long as nobody pays, it will die or idle around in slow development
[12:02] <ogra> as BSD it will become a niche product ...
[12:02] <MrMazda> so how long should a edubuntu WS install take anyway?
[12:03] <MrMazda> been about 20 min since start
[12:03] <ogra> less than 1h on recent HW
[12:03] <MrMazda> not recent
[12:03] <MrMazda> PIII-350
[12:03] <ogra> so around 1h then
[12:03] <ogra> its a question of disk/CD speed
[12:03] <ogra> not the CPU
[12:03] <MrMazda> CD prolly only 4X
[12:03] <MrMazda> mebbe 8X
[12:03] <ogra> ah, k then it migh take longer
[12:04] <MrMazda> another FTP install advantage - don't need fast readers


[08:07] <caribou> smoser: thank you very much, you've just saved me hours of investigationn
[08:08] <caribou> so I went ahead & tested the kernel in -proposed which does fix the bug, so it's now verification-done
[08:08] <caribou> I'll go back to working on adapting the MP
[11:25] <smoser> caribou: \o/
[11:39] <smoser> caribou: let me know if you need anything. its always ok to bother me.
[11:48] <smoser> robjo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1779139 ?
[11:48] <smoser> you see that ?
[11:49] <robjo> smoser: yes, there is also an euqivalent openSUSE bug
[11:49] <robjo> I've not had time to poke at this.
[11:50] <robjo> While the proposed patch of "After=network-online.target" supposedly avoids the problem I know there are other issues related to waiting for the network
[11:50] <robjo> SO for now I removed the patch again from the SUSE package
[11:51] <robjo> I think this may also be partially related to the dhcp client issue
[14:18] <smoser> robjo: which is dhclient issue ?
[14:19] <robjo> smoser: I couldn't find it
[14:19] <smoser> i do remember discussing that. and ultimatelly i would like to have a sufficient python dhclient in cloud-init.
[14:19] <robjo> but cloud-init uses dhclient to make a request and then looks at the lease file
[14:20] <robjo> well that fails on SUSE because the interface is controled by wicked
[14:20] <robjo> discussed the dhclient issue recently with blackboxsw and he said he'd put it on the agenda for the summit
[14:21] <robjo> I added some notes to the bug, let me try again to find it
[14:21] <smoser> but that proved to be more than a afternoon worth of work. all the example python dhclients oddly expect that your interface already has an address
[14:21] <smoser> :
[14:21] <smoser> :)
[14:22] <robjo> Here it is lp#1733226
[14:23] <robjo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1733226
[14:35] <smoser> thanks robjo
[15:37] <lorddoskias> hello, how does cloud-init detect first boot? if i have tested it locally ona an image, what do i have to do to ensure that the next time the image is run (in the cloud) first boot directives will also run
[15:41] <smoser> lorddoskias: "per instance" things are done when the instance-id found changes.
[15:41] <smoser> instance-id varies by "datasource"
[15:42] <smoser> the goal is that you do not have to 'clean' anything.
[15:43] <lorddoskias> smoser: so what i did is locally configure cloud-init and then execute systemctl start cloud-init-local systemctl start cloud-init etc
[15:44] <lorddoskias> after i've verified that everything is working i uploaded this image to a private openstack-based cloud
[15:44] <smoser> that should be sufficient, yes.
[15:44] <lorddoskias> when i run a new instance, based on that image cloud-init will work as if it's the first time this image is booted?
[15:44] <smoser> you could also test locally by attaching a config-drive (openstack) or a "NoCloud" data disk.
[15:45] <smoser> but yes, it shoudl re-generate ssh keys, and other "per instance" things. as if it was new.
[15:45] <smoser> if you want to clean state just to remove additional unused data, you can do that too... rm -Rf /var/lib/cloud/
[15:45] <lorddoskias> right. Now another question regarding the users module i can see in the docs that users should be configured like so : users: - name: root
[15:45] <lorddoskias> however, the default config has users: - root
[15:46] <smoser> the default config from where?
[15:46] <lorddoskias> from opensuse
[15:46] <smoser> trunk does not have that... it uses a per-distro user.
[15:46] <lorddoskias> my question is what's the differente between having - name: root and - root
[15:49] <smoser> well, ... if it does work with just 'root' as teh value , then it will probaly just take defaults from system_info
[15:49] <smoser> and you can speify moer values with the name: username
[15:49] <smoser> and such
[15:50] <lorddoskias> doesn't it work the same in the usptream cloud-init i.e. you can have "- blah" or "- admin" or whatever?
[15:50] <lorddoskias> even here the documentation (https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/examples.html?highlight=system_info#including-users-and-groups) gives examples as : users: - default -bob
[15:51] <smoser> probably
[15:51] <lorddoskias> but this syntax is never explained
[15:52] <smoser> well, the syntax is explained in the link you provide d ('Valid Values')
[15:52] <smoser> so if you say that
[15:52] <smoser> - users: [root]
[15:52] <seba> I have a VM where cloud init is run on every boot and I don't know where to start debugging. I just want it to be run once and not to regenerate ssh-keys on every boot.
[15:52] <smoser> works, i believe you. it probalby just picks 'root' as 'name:' and takes defautls for other fields.
[15:53] <seba> on first boot it finds its datasource (iso) and everything works fine. when I reboot it searches for different datasources (iso is not attached anymore)
[15:53] <smoser> but i personally would take the morem verbose format.
[15:54] <lorddoskias> smoser: yeah, makes sense
[15:55] <smoser> seba: https://git.launchpad.net/cloud-init/tree/doc/examples/cloud-config.txt
[15:55] <smoser> you want 'manual_cache_clean: True'
[15:55] <smoser> or just
[15:57] <seba> hm. okay, I can see why I want this parameter. I just wonder why I didn't encounter this problem earlier
[15:57] <smoser> never mind 'or just'.  you can write that to a file in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/
[15:57] <smoser> you had the cdrom there subsequently? or didnt notice it? if you're running bionic+ cloud-init should completely disable itself on subsequent runs.
[15:57] <seba> debian stretch
[15:58] <smoser> it depends on cloud-init version and such.
[15:58] <seba> I've also run it on xenial and bionic
[15:58] <smoser> on ubuntu, the cloud-init-generator will disable cloud-init if it does not find a datasource
[15:58] <seba> currently cloud-init 0.7.9-2 on the host I encounter problems with
[15:59] <smoser> thats older than i'd care to make guesses on
[15:59] <smoser> manual_cache_clean is what you want though. and that goes back 0.7.9 for sure
[15:59] <seba> noted and thx for the suggestion, will try it :)
[16:06] <seba> smoser, works for me, thx again
[18:45] <blackboxsw> hrm empty /etc/os-release on the copr build images. I'm adding a build to list /etc to see if we have other version files we can source or maybe use lsb_release?
[18:45] <smoser> is that there?
[18:45] <blackboxsw> yeah it looks there, just load_file looks like zero length
[18:45] <blackboxsw> maybe check /etc/lsb-release
[18:46] <blackboxsw> or lsb_release util as an option.
[18:46] <blackboxsw> checking to see if that util is even there
[18:46] <blackboxsw> but I have to wait 20 mins on each build/failure attempt
[18:46] <blackboxsw> https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/blackboxsw/cloud-init/build/776371/
[18:46] <smoser> i doubt it has lsb_release.
[18:47] <blackboxsw> more specifically https://copr-be.cloud.fedoraproject.org/results/blackboxsw/cloud-init/epel-6-x86_64/00776371-cloud-init/build.log.gz
[19:02] <smoser> ugh
[19:02] <smoser> powersj: why green here
[19:02] <smoser>  https://jenkins.ubuntu.com/server/view/cloud-init,%20curtin,%20streams/job/cloud-init-integration-proposed-a/26/console
[19:03] <powersj> because the last command was green
[19:03] <powersj> ugh
[19:13] <blackboxsw> found centos-release system-release redhat-release files in centos 6, might leverage one of them.
[19:13] <blackboxsw> redhat-release is probably the most ubiquitous as I recall that from a loooong time ago in HP-land
[19:14] <blackboxsw> this build, when run should give us all the content we need for any /etc/*release file in the failed centos6 env
[19:14] <dpb1> blackboxsw: that's whats broken the build?
[19:15] <blackboxsw> dpb1: there is an /etc/os-release in copr centos6 images (and various fedora rawhide images). but it is an empty file
[19:15] <blackboxsw> so the build can't succeed in running get_linux_distro
[19:15] <dpb1> blackboxsw: is it acceptable to just stub it out to get the build passing?
[19:17] <blackboxsw> dpb1: we can stub it out, or make it also check for empty content in /etc/os-release.
[19:17] <blackboxsw> I'll have a fix for this today no prob. but just waiting on a copr build run
[19:17]  * dpb1 nods
[19:17] <blackboxsw> https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/blackboxsw/cloud-init/build/776389/ should have enough info for me to get a fix that will work for centos/redhat envs
[19:18] <blackboxsw> easy to just source a different /etc/redhat-release file if available instead I think
[19:19] <smoser> this garbage is why its deprecated in python :)
[19:24] <powersj> smoser: pushed a fix for the proposed testing
[19:25] <blackboxsw> yeah our get_linux_distro is basically going to re-write platform.dist() as we start supporting more oses
[19:27] <smoser> for a more limited set of distros, yes.
[19:27] <blackboxsw> yeah , it's not too bad
[19:35] <blackboxsw> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/7xVR3dQ2yv/.... ok. something to work with. but not optimal
[19:40]  * smoser will check back in later. our launch-softlayer doesn't 'just work' for launching --proposed unfortunately. need to fix that somehow.
[22:13] <blackboxsw> smoser: ok, build worked for centos6, not for rawhide https://copr-be.cloud.fedoraproject.org/results/blackboxsw/cloud-init/fedora-rawhide-i386/00776423-cloud-init/build.log.gz
[22:16] <blackboxsw> BUILDSTDERR: /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.vOrrcj: line 31: /usr/bin/python: No such file or directory .... hrm
[22:20] <blackboxsw> or rather:                mockbuild.exception.Error: Command failed:
[22:20] <blackboxsw>  # /usr/bin/systemd-nspawn -q -M 39c142373fa449acb013a47ca64b0cf4 -D /var/lib/mock/775457-fedora-rawhide-i386-1531181651.602050/root -a --capability=cap_ipc_lock --bind=/tmp/mock-resolv.erqniz1j:/etc/resolv.conf --setenv=TERM=vt100 --setenv=SHELL=/bin/bash --setenv=HOME=/builddir --setenv=HOSTNAME=mock --setenv=PATH=/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin --setenv=PROMPT_COMMAND=printf "\033]0;<mock-chroot>\007"
[22:20] <blackboxsw> --setenv=PS1=<mock-chroot> \s-\v\$  --setenv=LANG=en_US.UTF-8 -u mockbuild bash --login -c /usr/bin/rpmbuild -bb --target i686 --nodeps /builddir/build/SPECS/cloud-init.spec
[22:20] <blackboxsw> ... bad paste sorry
[22:24] <blackboxsw> yeah so the overall build from spec is failing, but no tracebacks about why in rawhide ... hrm