[15:13] <tomreyn> limez: this hints at window manager / desktop issues. reinstalling may not help if the issue is in your $HOME. on the other hand, maybe you are missing some packages which you accidentially uninstalled.
[15:13] <BradenBraden> fixed it. had to add googles DNS ips to my resolv.conf file
[15:14] <limez> tomreyn, shouldnt it work with the guest account if the issue is in my $HOME?
[15:14] <tomreyn> limez: yes it should
[15:14] <smacktalk> join #chromium
[15:15] <smacktalk> oops
[15:15] <Foloex> I'll try a reboot for now, good bye
[15:16] <tomreyn> limez: what's the desktop you would like to be running? the default one which comes with ubuntu? unity?
[15:16] <DirtyCajn2> when i fdisk i get everything as base2 what command shows me base 10 numbers?
[15:17] <limez> yeah default unity/lightdm
[15:17] <limez> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14469646/ <- thats the current paste of my .xsession-errors
[15:17] <tomreyn> limez: what happened / was changed between when this last worked and when it failed for the first time?
[15:18] <tomreyn> (or did it never work since you first installed ubuntu?)
[15:18] <limez> nah i had my system running for a year
[15:18] <limez> i removed dolphin
[15:18] <DirtyCajn2> answered my own quesion its lshw sorry
[15:18] <limez> and installed webstorm
[15:19] <tomreyn> limez: which ubuntu release are you running there?
[15:19] <limez> 14.04
[15:19] <limez> already checked the usual suspects (/tmp, xauthority/iceauthority)
[15:20] <limez> but i dont think its related to my $HOME, as u said earlier
[15:21] <limez> maybe i broke something when i set nautilus back to the dafault filemanager
[15:22] <tomreyn> limez: removing dolphin alone did not cause unity to break. you must have done something else.
[15:23] <limez> i removed a few .desktop files from /usr/share/applications
[15:23] <tomreyn> limez: the verious services / applications failing according to your .xsession-errors may hint at incompatible package versions (such as installed from incompatible repositories, not fully upgraded etc.)
[15:25] <limez> tomreyn: do you have an idea how i could find out what the incompatible packages may be?
[15:25] <limez> i suspect im looking at the wrong logs
[15:26] <DirtyCajn2> ok new question. When i move something from one HD to another on my Ubuntu Server via Samba... it goes slowly because its sending the file to the pc im using then back to the server. is there a program other than just using CL that will act as if im on the server and not pull to the remote pc?
[15:26] <NO_CARRIER> Is it a bad idea to upgrade (running 15.10 server) to the newly-released kernel 4.4?
[15:26] <tomreyn> limez: (sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -f install && sudo apt-get install apt-show-versions && sudo apt-show-versions | grep -v uptodate) | pastebinit
[15:27] <k1l_> NO_CARRIER: do you even know why you want to upgrade the kernel?
[15:27] <limez> one min, got to type it out :P
[15:27] <tomreyn> limez: also, *after* running the above: apt-cache policy | pastebinit
[15:28] <BradenBraden> which is better, openJDK or Oracle JAVA?
[15:28] <tomreyn> based on random criteria? the other!
[15:29] <mcphail> NO_CARRIER: yes, it is a bad idea. Largely because you will sacrifice automatic package management. Not what you need on a server
[15:29] <NO_CARRIER> mcphail: thanks
[15:30] <tomreyn> limez: you shouldn't need to type it out. if this is on a different computer maybe setup ssh access first
[15:32] <limez> tomyreyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14469757/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/14469781/
[15:32] <leamon> How to set remote desktop?
[15:32] <leamon> I have Retina installed at both server and client.
[15:32] <leamon> *remmina
[15:33] <limez> tomreyn: yea i should set up putty on my windows machine
[15:33] <leamon> and check 'Allow other users to view your desktop'
[15:33] <leamon> at server
[15:36] <tomreyn> limez: line 122 onwards of http://paste.ubuntu.com/14469757/ lists packages which are not from an apt repository you currently have installed. i.e. orphaned packaged, which receive no support, especially not security patches.
[15:37] <tomreyn> limez: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14469781/ indicated that you are using several third party repostories, including some for different ubuntu releases.
[15:39] <tomreyn> tomreyn: well not that many 3rd party repositories, just some. and while my rough guess is that those do not create this issue you are running into, i can only guess and this doe snot look too good.
[15:39] <limez> tomreyn: i will just remove them for now
[15:40] <limez> i just wanna keep my system :P
[15:42] <tomreyn> limez: packages [ libxdo2 config-usbhid-synaptics-touchscreen workaround-screen-lock-malfunction ] might, simply a guess based on their naming, cause these issues you're having
[15:42] <stephane_> anyon here?
[15:42] <aq2> 1858 people
[15:42] <stephane_> :)
[15:43] <limez> tomreyn: i dont need to remove the ppa's, right? just the packages?
[15:44] <tomreyn> limez: i suggest you start by backing up (if needed), then purging the packages i just listed.
[15:44] <limez> cant even remember that package :/
[15:44] <stephane_> Quick question for you guys... I am Ubuntu lover and work with it everyday both home and work. I am about to purchase a laptop....However, I wish I could buy the Edge version to run everything from my cell phone. Since project was replaced with touch...Is there a phone that can be used for both Cell and Desktop?
[15:44] <aq2> limez: dpkg --get-selections |grep something
[15:45] <aq2> limez: replace something with what to search from your installed software.
[15:45] <tomreyn> limez: also remove the 12.04 / precise "canonical partner" package repository
[15:46] <stephane_> Anyone?
[15:46] <stephane_> Any recommendation or can anyone confirm if there is a working version of phone/desktop?
[15:46] <limez> aq2: thanks, thats handy
[15:46] <limez> tomreyn: will do
[15:48] <k1l_> stephane_: #ubuntu-touch , and no, there is no ohone to buy to have the laptop in your poket, yet
[15:48] <stephane_> ok thanks
[15:48] <tomreyn> limez: i'm afraid i'll have to leave shortly. but others can help you out on this, too.
[15:48] <rentec> Hello! I have a fresh install of Ubuntu-Mate and was wondering if anyone knew how to disable the guest session login.
[15:49] <nicomachus> rentec: https://askubuntu.com/questions/451526/removing-guest-session-at-login-in-ubuntu-14-04
[15:49] <Eurynomos> Hello, I got the problem that my system's language is English, but everything in software center is in another language.
[15:50] <limez> tomreyn: no worries, i think you got me to the right direction. thank you very much :)
[15:50] <rentec> Thank you nicomachus
[15:50] <tomreyn> welcome, good luck!
[15:52] <tomreyn> limez:  consider running 'apt-get --purge remove apt-show-versions' when you're done, to clean up.
[15:52] <limez> tomreyn: noted, thanks again :)
[15:54] <lotuspsychje> i have a customer with 2 laptops and 1 desktop that can only recognize the samsung ML-1665 on the desktop by default, even when installing printers drivers the laptops cant see the printer, theyr connected via usb..someone has a clue?
[15:54] <aq2> i installed ubuntu 14.04 from the mini.iso on this system, why doesn't it boot without a network connection?
[15:55] <lotuspsychje> all 3 boxes on trusty
[16:00] <jwr_> i'm getting "you have held broken packages" when i use apt-get. but "apt-mark showhold" doesn't list any packages. anybody know how to fix that?
[16:01] <nicomachus> jwr_: try "sudo apt-get clean" and "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[16:02] <k1l_> jwr_: run "sudo apt full-upgrade"
[16:03] <Eurynomos> Hello, I got the problem that my system's language is English, but everything in software center is in another language.
[16:04] <limez> tomreyn: purged all packages except the ruby stuff and the printer-drivers, also i removed all ppas except the heroku one
[16:04] <limez> did a reboot, unfortunately that didnt fix it, should i remove ruby and heroku too? cant believe that could be the problem
[16:06] <limez> the bright side is i just removed wine and freed about a gb disk space
[16:14] <KamZou> Hi, when i connect to a server with SSH i get the old entry present in /etc/issue. The file is now empty but i still receive old hostname at login. Any idea why ? (/etc/motd & /etc/issue & /etc/issue.net are OK)
[16:17] <lotuspsychje> KamZou: maybe the #openssh guys ca help you on this?
[16:18] <KamZou> lotuspsychje, let's try
[16:20] <mario1> salve a tutti
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> !it | mario1
[16:25] <TheEagerPadawan> does anyknow where i can grab a driver for QinHeng Electronics HL-340 USB-Serial adapter  that is supported on 15.10?
[16:26] <aq2> TheEagerPadawan: this is for mint but should also work in ubuntu http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=135914
[16:27] <TheEagerPadawan> as2 let me take a peek
[16:27] <infFS> Hi!
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> aq2: any reason you dont just use desktop version instead of mini?
[16:28] <aq2> lotuspsychje: i wanted to build it myself but i'm downloading the desktop version of mate right now, we'll see if i like it.
[16:28] <aq2> good question.
[16:28] <infFS> I want to implement infinite feature selection in C++ for linux, it's this technique: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/282576688_Infinite_Feature_Selection ) can someone helps me?
[16:29] <infFS> it seems easy, but I need a function to invert a matrix
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> aq2: you could install desktop and purge whatever you like to basics?
[16:29] <infFS> sorry here is the code: http://www.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/fileexchange/54763-infinite-feature-selection
[16:29] <aq2> lotuspsychje: well, the reason i came to ubuntu instead of mint is that i don't want to start customizing a fresh install by removing things
[16:29] <infFS> are only 3-4 lines in matlab
[16:30] <aq2> lotuspsychje: seems pointless, coming from mint there was three media players :(
[16:30] <aq2> i dont want that
[16:31] <Guest56856> f
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> aq2: using mini is also pretty expert, youl encouter some unwanted issues better use desktop and strip it as you wish
[16:32] <aq2> thats what i noticed
[16:32] <aq2> following this i got it all working though :D http://blogging.dragon.org.uk/ubuntu-minimal-install-with-mate-as-the-desktop-14-04-lts/
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> !yay | aq2
[16:32] <aq2> that bot is awesome
[16:33] <aq2> other channels don't use bots this much
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> aq2: alot of preloaded triggers that can help users here
[16:33] <aq2> i've noticed that
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> !msgthebot | aq2 use yourself :p
[16:34] <aq2> this computer can only connect to internet with ethernet and doesn't boot without it :(
[16:34] <ModelEngine> frn
[16:34] <aq2> so i think i need to take the strip down approach
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> aq2: i got 14.04.3 pretty lightweight here, purging packages and replacing them with lightweight stuff also
[16:35] <aq2> however installing from mini.iso is something i want to do some day :)
[16:35] <aq2> lotuspsychje: is there any hidden junk i can purge?
[16:35] <aq2> lotuspsychje: mint was full of it (search enhancer etc) anything like that in ubuntu mate?
[16:36] <lotuspsychje> aq2: i use bleachbit to clean, but ubuntu desktop is pretty neat by default
[16:36] <aq2> i don't mean as junk building up
[16:36] <aq2> does ubuntu come with any useless programs?
[16:36] <aq2> for example, in mint there was multiple applications that can do the same thing
[16:37] <TheEagerPadawan> seems that chmod 777 /dev/ttyUSB0 doesn't seem to help
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> aq2: i would not call them useless, but for every needs there's another flavor right
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> aq2: thats the beauty of linux right, you can do whatever you like
[16:37] <aq2> i agree
[16:37] <infFS> Hello, I'm bachelor student in computer science, I need to implement a feature selection technique called Infinite Feature Selection in C/C++ (scientific paper: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/282576688_Infinite_Feature_Selection ) The implementation is in provided by the authors in MATLAB (source code:  http://www.mathworks.com/matlabcent
[16:37] <infFS> ral/fileexchange/54763-infinite-feature-selection ) I need to implement it as they do, and then my goal is to optimize this function someway, to make it faster,It seems to be very easy, because there're only few lines of code... Can someone helps me? 1- How can I read the input in C/C++? 2- How can I represent a matrix and then invert this matrix?
[16:37] <infFS> 3- there are functions to calculate the correlation and STD given two vectors? Thank you...
[16:37] <aq2> vlc, totem, banshee... hexchat and pidgin... eye of mate and gthumb and gimp... many programs that do the same thing
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> aq2: another approach is looking at the more lightweight ubuntu flavors: lubuntu/xubuntu and purge/install packages as they use
[16:38] <aq2> i dont want them, i want the mate because its customizable.
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> aq2: like using mupdf example instead of default pdf viewer
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> aq2: thats your choice mate :p
[16:39] <aq2> i'm glad someone understands me though, people on mint just said "the three media players dont take much space" :D
[16:39] <ascot> hello, anyone knows what is the best way to disable plymouth in ubuntu 15.10?
[16:39] <aq2> i'm also amazed by how a big channel like this can be friendly
[16:39] <askhl> Hello.  Am installing Ubuntu 14.04 for dual boot with Windows 10.  Installation was apparently smooth but grub does not show.  Boot flag is set correctly but evidently has no effect.  Any help please?
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> ascot: disable 'quiet splash' from grub
[16:39] <aq2> askhl: what boots and what doesnt boot?
[16:40] <k1l_> ascot: remove the boot kernel parameters
[16:40] <askhl> Windows boots as if nothing has happened.  I expected grub to present a list of options including both.
[16:40] <aq2> askhl: Ok
[16:40] <aq2> askhl: disable windows's secure boot and turn off fast boot in bios.
[16:40] <ascot> lotuspsychje: does that also remove it at shutdown?
[16:40] <aq2> askhl: no, the other way. fast boot is in windows and secure boot in bios :)
[16:40] <askhl> Hmm.  Oh....
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> ascot: after you sudo update-grub yes
[16:41] <aq2> sorry
[16:41] <askhl> Wait, so I start windows and turn off fast boot?  I thought I fixed secure boot but that may not be the case either
[16:41] <aq2> askhl: how did you fix that? bios or windows?
[16:41] <aq2> askhl: yes, start windows and disable its fast boot.
[16:41] <askhl> BIoS
[16:42] <ascot> lotuspsychje: great, thanks!
[16:42] <k1l_> aq2: if you want a really lightweight system with only the app installed you really need. then make a minimal install and install the packages only you want. but that needs some knowledege and you will be surprised how much you need but you dont know it because it runs in the background
[16:42] <aq2> askhl: you were lucky, sometimes windows gets locked and won't boot at all :)
[16:42] <mustmodify_> I'm having a weird issue. Someone emailed a postscript file to me. When I decompress what he sent, I get files of size 0. But he *swears* his files are good. Postscript files have no extension... uh... any ideas?
[16:42] <askhl> Oh dear my.
[16:42] <aq2> k1l_: i noticed that :)
[16:42] <aq2> askhl: worse yet, your files can get stuck on the windows side... but thats what ##windows is for :)
[16:43] <askhl> Right, secure boot is disabled.  Then I will try to disable fast boot.  Thanks aq2, I had never guessed to do anything in windows
[16:43] <aq2> you're welcome :)
[16:43] <askhl> aq2: Well, that's why I have a backup :)
[16:43] <aq2> windows 7 and before there's no problems like this.
[16:43] <askhl> Incredible!
[16:43] <aq2> its windows 8 that breaks standards... :(
[16:43] <akik> mustmodify_: what kind of archive was it?
[16:44] <k1l_> mustmodify_: do a "file /path/to/filename" to see some info about that file
[16:44] <aq2> lotuspsychje: cool, the mate iso is 1.1GB the mint mate iso was 1.7 GB :D
[16:45] <aq2> and people complain that ubuntu is heavy
[16:45] <aq2> unity is not my thing :)
[16:45] <aq2> what virtualbox package should i install?
[16:46] <aq2> is it simple as sudo apt-get install virtualbox ?
[16:46] <akik> mustmodify_: postscript files can have an extension as well
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> !info virtualbox | aq2 yes
[16:46] <aq2> Ok
[16:47] <Bleakney> It seems running "macchanger -a" does only change the first three parts of the address. Why is that? On other distros it changes the whole address
[16:47] <akik> mustmodify_: to list and test a zip file, use "unzip -t archive.zip". to list and test a .tar.gz use "tar -ztvf archive.tar.gz"
[16:47] <TheEagerPadawan> hi guys having usb to serial driver issues -> info @ http://pastebin.com/2zjqPbdv
[16:48] <sixteenmillionye> does anyone have any experience with consistent system failures (failing to boot - have reinstalled ubuntu 15.04 twice in the past week after failure to boot/blinking cursor at startup) concurrent with a "the device descriptor says the physical block size is 2048 bytes but linux says it is  512 bytes" error reported from gparted?
[16:48] <aq2> sixteenmillionye: is windows installed?
[16:48] <sixteenmillionye> no, windows not present
[16:48] <aq2> Ok
[16:48] <sixteenmillionye> the disk is completely wiped at this point
[16:49] <aq2> what version of windows did the computer come with?
[16:49] <sixteenmillionye> it' s a fresh build - just components, so no OEM OS
[16:49] <aq2> Ok
[16:49] <sixteenmillionye> i' ve had it for a year, no problems until about two weeks ago
[16:49] <mustmodify_> akik: it was a zip
[16:49] <aq2> then you shouldn't have secure boot issues
[16:49] <aq2> you could try trusty
[16:50] <mustmodify_> k1l_: ./concorde.zip: Zip archive data, at least v1.0 to extract
[16:52] <bgr> hi
[16:53] <sixteenmillionye> my hunch is that the physical disk is defective - i've wiped it several times (recreated the partition table, reset the mbr), but consistently continue to get " 2048/512"  error/warning from gparted which makes no sense to me.
[16:53] <sixteenmillionye> but i want to confirm the hunch before i waste money on a new disk.
[16:55] <akik> mustmodify_: to list and test a zip file, use "unzip -t concorde.zip"
[16:56] <akik> MushroomNZ: you can use "unzip -v concorde.zip" to list the file details
[16:56] <akik> oops. that was for mustmodify_
[16:59] <Pod15> Ufw not starting automatically on boot despite ufw.conf set to enabled=yes, can start manually but want it starting automatically... Any ideas??
[17:01] <askhl> aq2: It still booted directly into windows, strangely enough!
[17:01] <MonkeyDust> Pod15  sudo ufw enable
[17:01] <aq2> askhl: not nice :(
[17:01] <cfhowlett> pod15 this ^^^
[17:01] <Pod15> Yeah that works but I want it to happen automatically on boot up
[17:01] <askhl> aq2: am verifying the settings again :(
[17:02] <aq2> http://www.windows10update.com/2015/05/windows-10-tutorials-66-how-to-enable-or-disable-fast-startup/
[17:02] <MonkeyDust> Pod15  ufw will still be enabled, until you disable it
[17:03] <Pod15> Monkeydust when I first login sudo ufw status says inactive though!?
[17:03] <askhl> Oh, but perhaps I did not properly turn 'off' the computer
[17:04] <askhl> maybe it just went into standby somehow
[17:04] <ssaa> Lista
[17:04] <aq2> lotuspsychje: i dont like the mate iso... i want to start with no software... no libreoffice, no firefox, no pidgin, no transmission
[17:04] <MonkeyDust> aq2  try the mini.iso
[17:04] <aq2> Yes
[17:04] <aq2> i tried that
[17:05] <aq2> but i haven't gotten sound and network manager to work :(
[17:05] <SorcerousFox> xubuntu-core!
[17:05] <SorcerousFox> just an option
[17:05] <aq2> can i install mate to that?
[17:05] <aq2> i really want mate desktop
[17:05] <SorcerousFox> starting with the mini.iso will probably be the best bet though to be honest
[17:06] <aq2> well
[17:06] <inspector71> can anyone help me troubleshoot this installation problem  get when trying to install GRUB at the end of a setup? http://pastebin.com/MV0R7QFL
[17:06] <k1l_> aq2: install the mate packages
[17:06] <aq2> souref: if you can get your mini.iso setup to boot without ethernet thats good
[17:06] <aq2> sorry souref wrong nick
[17:06] <aq2> k1l_: i've done that.
[17:06] <askhl> aq2: The secure boot is disabled.  However I notice in BIOS there is a setting "UEFI Boot Order" that is set to "OS boot Manager", whatever that is
[17:07] <aq2> askhl: can you boot without uefi? aka legacy boot?
[17:07] <askhl> aq2: It is greyed out
[17:07] <aq2> ok
[17:07] <askhl> Ahh, I have enabled it now
[17:07] <MiningMarsh> askhl: I imagine that is probably the windows bootloader
[17:07] <MiningMarsh> in the boot order
[17:07] <aq2> k1l_: i followed this http://blogging.dragon.org.uk/ubuntu-minimal-install-with-mate-as-the-desktop-14-04-lts/
[17:08] <aq2> k1l_: network manager and sound not working they didn't get installed
[17:08] <k1l_> aq2: then install them when you know they are missing
[17:08] <askhl> Still boots windows!  *grumble* *grumble*
[17:08] <k1l_> aq2: and that is a ppa you use there
[17:08] <aq2> k1l_: what packages?
[17:08] <aq2> k1l_: yes, just like in the instructions
[17:09] <MiningMarsh> askhl: What bootloader are you trying to get it to boot to?
[17:09] <MiningMarsh> grub2?
[17:09] <k1l_> aq2: "network-manager"
[17:09] <inspector71> if I hit the lubuntu iso startup screen, the one where it pumps a big language menu in front of you, if I pick English and then select Install Lubuntu (instead of "Try lubuntu without installing) ... am I definitely avoiding the live session, even though this option loads a graphical installer?
[17:09] <aq2> installed
[17:09] <aq2> but not loading
[17:09] <csmule> Trying to determine max number of open files allowed for the root user and increasing it. Can someone speed me along?
[17:10] <k1l_> aq2: so look at the logs why its not loading
[17:10] <askhl> MiningMarsh: yes (well, grub in whichever version comes with Ubuntu 14.04)
[17:10] <k1l_> aq2: that is what i said with: you need some knowledge
[17:10] <aq2> thats true...
[17:10] <aq2> but i dont want to start by removing...
[17:10] <MiningMarsh> askhl: Did you install grub manually at all, or did you just use whatever installer was available?
[17:10] <k1l_> aq2: so look into the logs why its not starting or what is missing.
[17:11] <askhl> MiningMarsh: I did a manual partitioning but the installer did the work
[17:11] <k1l_> like there is network-manager-gnome package, too
[17:11] <akik> csmule: /etc/security/limits.conf, nofile, ulimit -n
[17:11] <aq2> k1l_: installed too
[17:11] <aq2> what logs where?
[17:11] <MiningMarsh> askhl: Verify grub is on the ESP, and then it fairly easy to add grub to the UEFI boot order from within windows
[17:11] <askhl> ESP?
[17:11] <k1l_> aq2: what exactly is not working with network manager?
[17:12] <aq2> k1l_: i dont see it in the notification area.
[17:12] <MiningMarsh> askhl: the partition with the bootloaders on it. It will be FAT32, and have a EFI directory in it
[17:12] <aq2> i only see the apps i start myself, thats hexchat and nitroshare
[17:12] <MiningMarsh> askhl: make sure that inside the EFI folder there is a grub folder of some sort
[17:12] <k1l_> aq2: so you dont know if its not working. you just dont have the icon there
[17:12] <askhl> Oh.  I was just now experimenting with a partition that fits the description
[17:12] <aq2> no sound or network
[17:12] <web-developer> Hello! Where I can download Skype for Xubuntu?
[17:12] <aq2> k1l_: aha ok
[17:12] <csmule> akik: After I add a line do I need to reboot for it to take effect? Tnx
[17:12] <askhl> Right now there are two partitions with boot flag and I wanted to try with that one disabled
[17:12] <askhl> (using gparted to toggle the flag)
[17:12] <akik> csmule: yes that could be the best choice
[17:12] <aq2> !skype | web-developer
[17:13] <MonkeyDust> web-developer  enble the partner reopo, then sudo apt update, then sudo apt install skype
[17:13] <MiningMarsh> askhl: ESP is EFI System Partition iirc, it is what UEFI uses to boot. Don't disable that boot flag
[17:13] <askhl> So I have a FAT32 with boot flag as we ll as an ext4
[17:13] <askhl> Alright.  I will keep both boot flags then
[17:14] <askhl> All right*
[17:14] <MiningMarsh> askhl: on the specified partition, can you find a grub.efi somewhere?
[17:14] <MiningMarsh> or a grubx86.efi or something of that sort
[17:15] <k1l_> aq2: look into the mate stuff if you need something to install to list all icons or how that works on mate
[17:15] <aq2> what do you mean?
[17:16] <k1l_> aq2: you used a PPA to install that packages. i dont know what is in that ppa and if its set up properly.
[17:16] <aq2> ok
[17:17] <k1l_> aq2: and i dont have mate. i dont know if you need to install a specific package for the indicators to work or if you need to whitelist stuff etc.
[17:17] <aq2> all instructions seem to install mate with ppa https://alfonsojon.wordpress.com/2014/08/22/make-your-own-ubuntu-14-04-lts-mate-edition/
[17:18] <askhl> I found (mount-dir)/EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi
[17:18] <askhl> MiningMarsh: ^
[17:18] <aq2> can anyone recommend a good usb image writing program?
[17:18] <aq2> on mint i used its default image writer but i dont want to isntall that on ubuntu.
[17:18] <cfhowlett> aq2, no shortage of them in the software center
[17:18] <aq2> Ok
[17:19] <aq2> i need to install that first :)
[17:19] <MiningMarsh> askhl: good. Do you have windows, or ubuntu pulled up?
[17:19] <askhl> ubuntu live presently
[17:19] <MiningMarsh> askhl: see if you have efibootmgr, install it if you do not
[17:19] <MiningMarsh> I think it is its own package
[17:20] <askhl> MiningMarsh: installed successfully
[17:20] <MiningMarsh> askhl: pastebin the output of `efibootmgr`
[17:21] <Bashing-om> aq2: This ? : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/mkusb <- mkusb - tool to create boot drives . A PPA and not supported in this channel .
[17:21] <askhl> MiningMarsh: There is zero output
[17:21] <aq2> no ppa's supported here?
[17:21] <aq2> Ok
[17:21] <MiningMarsh> askhl: are you tunning it as root?
[17:21] <cfhowlett> !ppa | aq2
[17:21] <askhl> MiningMarsh: Stand by for output :)
[17:22] <eikon81g> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj8463loqLKAhVO6mMKHQpCByAQFggcMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pendrivelinux.com%2Funiversal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3%2F&usg=AFQjCNGdSazRNs32lEZo8ZfvenfYK9ML_A&sig2=HbHX5fDds2vSp-NVtq-wmg&bvm=bv.111396085,d.cGc
[17:22] <EriC^^> askhl: hp laptop?
[17:22] <eikon81g> http://unetbootin.github.io/
[17:22] <eikon81g> universal boot manager and unetbootin are easy ways to create bootable usbs
[17:23] <askhl> EriC^^: yes.  Not good at using it yet :(
[17:24] <EriC^^> askhl: most hp laptops are hardcoded to boot only the windows efi files, i have one as well
[17:24] <MiningMarsh> EriC^^: Really? They don't obey the standard EFI commands for changing boot order?
[17:24] <MiningMarsh> a shame
[17:24] <EriC^^> could help you with it if you want
[17:24] <askhl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14470862/
[17:25] <EriC^^> MiningMarsh: nope, the uefi resets it when it starts up
[17:25] <askhl> EriC^^: oh no.  That sounds horrible.
[17:25] <askhl> MiningMarsh: pasted ^
[17:25] <EriC^^> it's ok most of the time, do you want to give it a go?
[17:25] <MiningMarsh> We can still try the normal solution first
[17:25] <MiningMarsh> I would imagine
[17:25] <askhl> EriC^^: Any way to fix this?
[17:26] <EriC^^> askhl: yeah, you can switch the efi files to trick the bios into booting ubuntu ( which it thinks is windows )
[17:27] <MiningMarsh> askhl: sudo efibootmgr -o 2001,0002,0001,3001,2002,2004
[17:27] <MiningMarsh> I think I got those in the right order
[17:27] <askhl> Ahh, interesting
[17:27] <askhl> I also saw a post on internet where they interchange two files or so
[17:27] <MiningMarsh> askhl: the EFI load order had windows before ubuntu
[17:27] <MiningMarsh> askhl: try that and reboot, you can try the HP fix if it doesn't work
[17:28] <EriC^^> it'll reset most likely, you could try though no harm
[17:28] <askhl> Say, what if something messes up with the -o <....> ?
[17:28] <MiningMarsh> it won't do any damage
[17:28] <MiningMarsh> askhl: if grub fails to boot, it will fallback on windows again
[17:28] <askhl> Okay, seems reasonable
[17:29] <MiningMarsh> askhl: and usb still boots first with that config
[17:29] <EriC^^> askhl: if it doesn't boot, press f9 when the pc starts and select ubuntu
[17:29] <askhl> and I could write another permutation to undo any damage
[17:29] <MiningMarsh> askhl: yeah
[17:29] <MiningMarsh> askhl: you can also change that order in windows, different commands though
[17:29] <EriC^^> it'll be boot ubuntu, then you can fix it so it boots it automatically
[17:30] <onezuff> i'm runnung ubuntu 14 on a very small VPS with 64MB of ram. how do i disable services from starting that I don't need?
[17:30] <EriC^^> onezuff: try service --status-all to get a list first
[17:31] <EriC^^> sometimes you can disable with update-rc.d -f <service> disable
[17:31] <onezuff> nice EriC^^ it shows some stuff, everything with a + is started on boot?
[17:32] <EriC^^> yeah that's already running
[17:32] <MiningMarsh> I think even systemd maintains the `service` syntax, right?
[17:32] <askhl> It says boot entry 2002 does not exist.  This is surprising because 2002 is one of the numbers listed above.
[17:32] <EriC^^> MiningMarsh: yeah
[17:32] <askhl> But also the line-by-line list does not contain that number.
[17:32] <MiningMarsh> askhl: oh hey, how weird
[17:32] <MiningMarsh> askhl: try it without the 2002 then
[17:33] <MiningMarsh> askhl: Perhaps it was an old bootloader that got deleted?
[17:33] <askhl> Also 2004 did not exist.  I removed them, they are last anyway...
[17:33] <MiningMarsh> yeah
[17:33] <MiningMarsh> windows was before them anyways
[17:33] <askhl> So I try to restart now!
[17:33] <fishscene> Greetings. I'm trying to write a script so that I don't have to keep updating it every time there's a new ubuntu being worked on.  Is there a way to execute the command so that it subsitutes * with whatever is listed on the webpage? "zsync -i $dldir http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/*-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync
[17:33] <askhl> (right?)
[17:33] <MiningMarsh> askhl: yes
[17:34] <EriC^^> fishscene: what's usually there?
[17:34] <askhl> Blast my eyes!  It still loads windows.
[17:35] <EriC^^> askhl: try f9 when the pc boots
[17:35] <eikon81g> On my hp I have to press Esc
[17:35] <eikon81g> then fn - f9
[17:35] <EriC^^> eikon81g: esc works, then f9
[17:35] <fishscene> For example, right now, the * would be "xenial". But as soon as they start working on another Ubuntu version, "Xenial" will change to a Z name ("zebra" for example)
[17:35] <EriC^^> i can do either, f9 straight away works too
[17:35] <eikon81g> then select the usb flash drive I am running
[17:36] <askhl> Looks like entry 2 and entry 3 should be interchanged, if that can be the issue.
[17:36] <askhl> It lists 1) USB 2) OS boot manager UEFI - windows, 3) OS boot manager UEFI - ubuntu
[17:36] <askhl> So I do another permutation and then it should work?
[17:36] <EriC^^> fishscene: so it's not that often that happens
[17:36] <onezuff> EriC^^, it seems that most of the things i can't disable using that update-rc.d disable like the cron service
[17:37] <fishscene> EriC^^: Correct. But as with all my scripts, I learn from each one. :) I'm just not even sure what to google for here.
[17:37] <EriC^^> fishscene: well, logically the only way it could get that would be to get the link before it so it knows the name
[17:37] <EriC^^> or check another page that has the name of the new distro and feed it in
[17:38] <swat30> are there some issues w/ Ubuntu security repo ATM? getting hash sum errors on trusty machines
[17:38] <EriC^^> i guess, not sure how zsync works
[17:38] <onezuff> how can i disable the other things EriC^^ ?
[17:38] <EriC^^> onezuff: i think you'd need to mess with /etc/init and /etc/init.d
[17:38] <fishscene> Zsync is easy, I placed it there for context. It's getting the variable URL into bash that I'm trying to figure out. :)
[17:39] <limez> hey! anybody got time to help me debug a problem? i cant get past the login screen. after a successful login with any accout i get thrown back at the login screen immediately
[17:39] <onezuff> should i delete them from there EriC^^ ?
[17:39] <MiningMarsh> fishscene: this worked for me
[17:39] <MiningMarsh> fishscene: echo $(curl 'http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/' -s | egrep -o 'href=".*-desktop-amd64[.]iso[.]zsync"' | cut -f2 -d'"')
[17:39] <EriC^^> onezuff: or you could kill them after the pc starts using /etc/rc.local i guess
[17:39] <EriC^^> probably /etc/init is better
[17:39] <eikon81g> limez, are you running a funll install of ubuntu or a usb install
[17:39] <EriC^^> onezuff: no you have to modify the scripts, look into how ssh can be disabled as it has to be disabled that way
[17:40] <limez> full install 14.04, system ran w/o problems for over a year
[17:40] <MiningMarsh> askhl: looks like what EriC^^ was saying was correct
[17:40] <MiningMarsh> they have some terrible UEFI implementation
[17:41] <eikon81g> limez, did you make any changes recently? when you get kicked back to the login screen are you able to log back in?
[17:41] <fishscene> MiningMarsh:  Thanks! I'll check that out in a bit.
[17:41] <limez> when i login with lightmd/unity-greeter it seems as if my desktop would load for half a second but then im back on the login screen without an error
[17:42] <onezuff> thanks EriC^^
[17:42] <Vey> hi guys!
[17:42] <Vey> can Ubuntu runs on a NTFS usb stick?
[17:42] <limez> actually there is an error popup on the gui but i cant read it cause it seems to crash immediately :P
[17:42] <EriC^^> limez: press ctrl+alt+f1 to get a tty, login and type ls -l ~/.Xauthority , check the owner then press alt+f7 to get back here
[17:42] <BluesKaj> thank God I have backflash and legacy BIOS mode on my laptop, UEFI was a pita when I received the laptop so i just wiped it clean and started from scratch
[17:43] <askhl> Well, presently it first says USB, then "Windows boot manager".  Why not set grub to number 2 if somehow possible?
[17:43] <EriC^^> Vey: why'd you want to do that, give it it's own partition on the stick
[17:43] <MiningMarsh> Vey: yes.
[17:43] <Vey> just wondering if its possible
[17:43] <Vey> so its possible...
[17:43] <fishscene> MiningMarsh: It totally worked! Thanks! I'll add this to my notes for future reference too. :)
[17:43] <askhl> well, I have no clue what I am talking about obviously...
[17:43] <MiningMarsh> askhl: We tried reordering and apparently it didn't work
[17:43] <MiningMarsh> askhl: You could try, I just don't think the reordering is going to stick after reboot
[17:43] <EriC^^> Vey: um, it's pretty possible but silly
[17:44] <MiningMarsh> askhl: ask EriC^^ about his HP fix
[17:44] <EriC^^> you'd have to use wubi or something on that stick
[17:44] <MiningMarsh> fishscene: np.
[17:44] <limez> already checked that, .Xauthority, .ICEauthority and /tmp permissions are correctly set. i doubt it has anything to do with my $HOME as login with other accounts and guest also fails
[17:44] <EriC^^> which in itself is an abomination
[17:44] <MiningMarsh> EriC^^: I know ubuntu used to support loopback mounting a file as its persistent via overlayfs a bit back
[17:45] <EriC^^> limez: oh, did you change the graphics drivers recently?
[17:45] <MiningMarsh> similair to puppy linux
[17:45] <MiningMarsh> if you don't need th persistence, it is trivial with grub
[17:45] <MiningMarsh> just chainload the iso
[17:45] <TheEagerPadawan> any here that has experiences with minicom and serial connections to cisco/juniper gear
[17:45] <askhl> Oh right, it's true.... darn!
[17:45] <limez> EriC^^: not that i can remember :D
[17:45] <askhl> It reverted the previous order, the bastard.
[17:45] <EriC^^> MiningMarsh: oh, i thought he meant he wanted a full fledged install
[17:46] <MiningMarsh> EriC^^: I don't know what he wants :P
[17:46] <EriC^^> limez: pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[17:47] <MiningMarsh> I somehow got lucky and got a machine with a good UEFI implementation, it seems like tons of people get these garbage implementations
[17:47] <MiningMarsh> UEFI is fantastic when it is actually done correctly
[17:47] <limez> EriC^^: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14471037/
[17:48] <limez> oh i remember checking out different color profiles for my monitor
[17:48] <limez> maybe i broke something there?
[17:53] <askhl> We did enable legacy boot order instead of UEFI.  Can this be a problem?
[17:54] <askhl> However it is also true that the boot setting actively reverts between boots.  Maybe I should overwrite that file like they do on the internet?
[17:54] <ablegreen_w> I have a bash script. Half of the bash script needs to run as user A. The other half as another user B. How can do this cleanly? The commands to run as user B is ugly -- su B -c "cmd 1; cmd 2". Any ideas?
[17:54] <EriC^^> askhl: if you want i could help you with it, i've literally helped a few hundreds with this issue
[17:55] <askhl> EriC^^: Let it be known that I am *very* happy for all the help!  (Also aq2 and MiningMarsh!)
[17:57] <askhl> Switching the files seems like a relatively simple if ridiculously crude way
[17:57] <EriC^^> well you can either do that or hack the uefi firmware
[17:59] <limez> EriC^^: is the paste of any help? i'm sitting on this problem for more than 6 hours now and i cant find any conclusive log messages anywhere. if u had an idea where to search? everything helps
[17:59] <Satdeep_> hello everyone
[18:00] <Satdeep_> I am new to Ubuntu
[18:00] <EriC^^> askhl: i dont mean to be pushy, but i literally have until the battery on my laptop runs out ( 30-40mins tops ) and if i do help i would want to make sure it all works out, i wouldn't want to start helping and mid way or if something goes wrong you're left with a non booting pc
[18:00] <askhl> Hmm, I think I will switch the files because it seems easier for me to remember when I have to do it again :/
[18:00] <askhl> EriC^^: Thanks for the heads-up
[18:00] <EriC^^> so decide quickly, and you should know there's a little more to it than switching 2 files
[18:00] <kupi> hu
[18:00] <askhl> will do it as quickly as possible
[18:00] <kupi> hi
[18:01] <limez> sorry - i didnt mean to be pushy either ;)
[18:01] <kupi> have anyone built kernel with openmp?
[18:02] <EriC^^> limez: pastebin sudo ubuntu-drivers devices
[18:02] <Satdeep_> Can anyone tell me
[18:02] <EriC^^> askhl: no i mean i can walk you through it if you want
[18:02] <EriC^^> ( it's what i've been hinting at lol )
[18:02] <Satdeep_> how to install Phonetic Input method for Gurmukhi Punjabi ?
[18:03] <mcphail> kupi: what does openmp have to do with the kernel? And what problem have you been having which is Ubuntu related?
[18:04] <kupi> nothing just interested if I could build anything with openmp and with what disadvantages
[18:04] <askhl> EriC^^: I interchanged the files and now I get the grub menu and ubuntu boots!  Windows does not, however, but there's a comment to that effect on the same website
[18:04] <askhl> I think I can manage this
[18:05] <EriC^^> ok
[18:05] <askhl> Hmm, actually there seems to be more trouble still....
[18:06] <limez> EriC^^: uh.. could it be bad that "sudo ubuntu-drivers devices" prints nothing?
[18:06] <askhl> But I also have to do something!  So I think it is a job for a bit later...
[18:06] <EriC^^> limez: nah it's ok, try lspci | grep VGA
[18:06] <askhl> As I said, thank you all very much for the help.  I am sure I will manage to fix it thanks to you.
[18:07] <mcphail> kupi: openmp isn't a magic formula which can be applied to any project. It has to be built with openmp in mind (or have a compiler which can automatically add pragmas). I can't see how it would have any place in the kernel
[18:08] <limez> EriC^^: lspci output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14471213/
[18:08] <NO_CARRIER> Is there an appropriate upgrade path to kernel 4.2.8 (or even 4.3.3) for an ubuntu 15.10 user?  Or is it best to wait for the next official release?
[18:09] <Bleakney> I'm still wondering: If you try to use the command macchanger -a with a device, let's say macchanger -a wlan0, does it change the whole address for you?
[18:09] <cfhowlett> NO_CARRIER, absent a profound an explicit, profound need, just wait.
[18:09] <mcphail> NO_CARRIER: there is no upgrade path, nor is there likely to be an upgrade path
[18:10] <Satdeep_> anybody here
[18:10] <Satdeep_> who can help me out ?
[18:10] <limez> just tested: same problem when i remove the monitor and all usb devices from my notebook
[18:12] <lucidguy> enableing iptables, I want icmp echo and the following ports inbound 22,25,443,465,993,7071.. everything else dropped,  am I missing something.. My iptables.rules looks like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/14471199/
[18:12] <EriC^^> limez: anything in ~/.xsession-errors ?
[18:12] <mcphail> Satdeep_: please ask your question coherently and all on one line. If anyone can help, they will. If you do not get a reply, ask again in 20 minutes as people come and go all the time
[18:13] <EriC^^> limez: try sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg-video-intel
[18:15] <mcphail> NO_CARRIER: you have asked a couple of questions about upgrading your kernel. Do you have a specific issue which needs fixed in the current kernel?
[18:15] <limez> EriC^^: .xsession-errors http://paste.ubuntu.com/14471282/
[18:17] <limez> EriC^^: it seems to take a tick longer now before it crashes back to the login
[18:17] <limez> after installing the package
[18:17] <EriC^^> limez: lightdm logs might show more info
[18:17] <EriC^^> they're in /var/log/lightdm/
[18:17] <Satdeep_> I am new to Ubuntu. I don't see a Phonetic Input method for Punjabi (Gurmukhi). There were some available perhaps in previous versions. I have Ubuntu 14 right now. Can anybody help me? I am willing to do anything possible for this..
[18:17] <EriC^^> limez: lightdm.log and x-0.log
[18:18] <jhon75> how install cocoa in mac os X it's for install enlightenment but depandencis required thx
[18:19] <mcphail> jhon75: I think you're in the wrong channel
[18:19] <jhon75> yes sure
[18:19] <limez> EriC^^: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14471310/ - lightdm.log
[18:19] <limez> i tried to login with the normal account and the guest account there
[18:19] <Matty73> Hello guys
[18:21] <jhon75> any help anygood ? e channel don't has my answers
[18:21] <kupi> mcphail, so some packages would fail with openmg?
[18:21] <MiningMarsh> lucidguy: remove that last rule
[18:21] <MiningMarsh> the drop one
[18:21] <MiningMarsh> replace it with
[18:22] <MiningMarsh> -P INPUT DROP
[18:22] <EriC^^> limez: did you try an older kernel?
[18:22] <mcphail> kupi: I don't think your question even makes sense. And it is offtopic for this channel, which is for ubuntu support
[18:22] <limez> EriC^^: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14471334/ - x-0-greeter.log this actually looks like an error but i cant pin it down
[18:22] <limez> EriC^^: i dont think so, at least not on purpose
[18:23] <Satdeep_> I don't see a Phonetic Input method for Punjabi (Gurmukhi). There were some available perhaps in previous versions. I have Ubuntu 14 right now. Can anybody help me? I am willing to do anything possible for this..
[18:23] <kupi> mcphail, i know, just i don't know a better linux related active channel
[18:23] <EriC^^> the critical error is about the networkmanager applet
[18:24] <limez> the thing that pops up when i connect to wifi?
[18:24] <EriC^^> yeah the thing at the top right corner
[18:24] <EriC^^> limez: try typing DISPLAY=:1 startx xterm
[18:25] <EriC^^> or just startx
[18:25] <denis2_> bonjour j'ai besoin d'aide
[18:25] <EriC^^> it should give a desktop without the launcher and no nm-applet
[18:26] <rww> denis2_: English here, please. French-language support is in #ubuntu-fr
[18:26] <denis2_> ok rww thank you
[18:26] <limez> EriC^^: i got a black screen for a second, then the x.org output including a warning
[18:27] <rafael> hola
[18:27] <Chicken_Wrap> Hello.
[18:27] <EriC^^> limez: try just DISPLAY=:1 startx
[18:27] <limez> EriC^^: The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports: Warning, Type "ONE_LEVEL" has 1 levels, but <RALT> has 2 symbols
[18:28] <Guest55026> He instalado guadalinex v.9 pero non tiene boton de apagado
[18:28] <jhon75> go return
[18:28] <limez> same with DISPLAY=:1
[18:28] <EriC^^> limez: did you try an older kernel?
[18:29] <denis2_> hi i want a sound my speaker in portable computer is open, why i don't sound exit on my speaker ?
[18:29] <limez> EriC^^: not that i remember, how do i check? is the output from x relevant?
[18:29] <NO_CARRIER> mcphail: yes, there is a crash bug with btrfs balance commands. ref http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-btrfs/msg49766.html & https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1529146
[18:29] <Gallomimia> EriC^^: maybe you should tell limez why he should do so. he said the last time you asked "not on purpose"
[18:29] <denis2_> who can help me ?
[18:30] <Gallomimia> denis2_: what kinds of settings have you played with in sound?
[18:30] <mcphail> NO_CARRIER: you can try a kernel from the mainline repo, but the userspace btrfs-tools package won't be updated...
[18:30] <mcphail> !mainline | NO_CARRIER
[18:30] <EriC^^> Gallomimia: oh, thanks, didn't see that
[18:30] <limez> uname -a is "Linux xps 3.13.0-74-generic #118-Ubuntu SMP [...]"
[18:30] <NO_CARRIER> mcphail: yeah if I were to upgrade kernel I would also subsequently upgrade the btrfs-tools but as you say this approach isn't ideal
[18:30] <denis2_> yesturday is ok but that is morning is not ok why ?
[18:31] <Gallomimia> denis2_: oh. i've heard of problems like that before... some things on google to find
[18:31] <EriC^^> limez: try an older kernel from grub, it might be a bug and it might get fixed in a kernel soon
[18:31] <AndChat464025> Hi
[18:31] <mcphail> NO_CARRIER: you usually don't need to update btrfs-tools with the kernel, but they occasionally break compatibility
[18:31] <Satdeep_> I don't see a Phonetic Input method for Punjabi (Gurmukhi). There were some available perhaps in previous versions. I have Ubuntu 14 right now. Can anybody help me? I am willing to do anything possible for this..
[18:31] <EriC^^> limez: hold shift to get grub > advanced > choose an older kernel
[18:31] <Satdeep_> I guess i must be sleeping now
[18:31] <Satdeep_> :)
[18:31] <Gallomimia> denis2_: i think... sound level set to zero by a bug. try changing volume
[18:31] <Gallomimia> mute
[18:32] <denis2_> i try change the card sound ?
[18:32] <Gallomimia> volume
[18:33] <limez> EriC^^: uh.. hold shift while booting, right?
[18:33] <EriC^^> limez: yeah
[18:34] <Layl> Heya, I'm thinking of giving ubuntu another try and I just want to ask, what kind of performance can you get out of a windows VM on ubuntu
[18:35] <limez> EriC^^: is grub available per default? should it be available via 'grub' in the terminal?
[18:35] <Layl> unfortunately, I do have plenty of windows stuff I still need to run, but if I can get like... 95% CPU/GPU performance that's enough
[18:35] <Gallomimia> Layl: i hear it's pretty good. but there's also WiNE
[18:35] <MiningMarsh> Layl: You can get plenty of CPU performance. GPU not so much in my experience.
[18:35] <MiningMarsh> Layl: but wine tends to work fine for most stuff
[18:35] <Layl> what about GPU pass-through?
[18:35] <Gallomimia> in wine the gpu performance is better. but usually limited to dx9
[18:36] <Gallomimia> it would be pertinent to know what kinds of "windows stuff" you need to run
[18:37] <Layl> a variety of things, visual studio is a big one
[18:37] <Layl> steam and very performance intensive games
[18:37] <EriC^^> limez: i dont follow, what do you mean?
[18:37] <Layl> some dx11 stuff so wine's not an option
[18:37] <EriC^^> limez: you can get a grub shell i think, but it's pretty useless
[18:37] <Gallomimia> ah. i might recommend against it. but i've heard it can be done. a VM could do it for that.
[18:37] <Gallomimia> as for the games, i do that. it works fine
[18:37] <mcphail> Layl: virtualisation isn't going to work well enough for you, even with gpu passthrough
[18:37] <nomic> you can use the grub shell to insert things
[18:38] <Layl> darn, I was under the impression you could get pretty decent performance out of it with KVM
[18:38] <Gallomimia> dx11 is possible, but i've had trouble getting it to work, so ymmv
[18:38] <EriC^^> nomic: while the pc is booted already?
[18:38] <limez> EriC^^: rebooted a few times holding shift down, but grub didnt show up. maybe i have to set it up first?
[18:38] <EriC^^> ( in linux )
[18:38] <MiningMarsh> Layl: wine doesn't do DX11 yet?
[18:38] <EriC^^> limez: try esc
[18:39] <mcphail> Layl: from what I've seen, it is a fiddle to set up, generally requires a second video card, and doesn't work very well. Good enough for desktop effects but not for hardcore gaming
[18:39] <Gallomimia> that was my impression MiningMarsh. but there's stuff out there to get it to work
[18:39] <EriC^^> limez: it should already be set up
[18:39] <Layl> MiningMarsh, even if it did I'm kiiindaaa skeptical about the solidity of the drivers on linux
[18:39] <EriC^^> limez: try to disable fast boot in the bios
[18:39] <Layl> mcphail, well, I do have a second GPU if I really need it
[18:40] <Layl> kinda a shame though if it's not good enough for general gaming
[18:40] <Layl> windows games and game dev are the things that are really keeping me from switching over
[18:41] <kvj> daftykins: or cfw around ?
[18:41] <EriC^^> limez: my battery is about to die, i might be back if i can
[18:42] <kvj> How can i memtest
[18:42] <mcphail> Layl: Many of the Valve devs have switched from vstudio to qtcreator, even on Windows.  Hardocre gaming isn't there yet
[18:42] <kvj> My system dont recognises memory to boot OS
[18:43] <kvj> Now it started and shows option for memtest86+ and memtest86+ serial console 115200
[18:43] <Layl> mcphail, oh I personally switched over to atom about a year ago
[18:43] <Layl> unfortunately, my school didn't
[18:43] <limez> EriC^^: thanks for ur help!!
[18:44] <limez> ah
[18:44] <limez> too late
[18:44] <kvj> Anyone ???
[18:44] <Gallomimia> Layl: please enumerate the brand of your GPU at this time.
[18:45] <Layl> Gallomimia, I've currently got an NVIDIA card
[18:45] <Layl> I've got another one gathering dust in some anti-static packaging
[18:46] <kvj> How to memtest ?
[18:46] <nicomachus> !memtest | kvj
[18:46] <Chicken_Wrap> kvj: Can't you boot into GRUB and memtest?
[18:46] <mcphail> Layl: by all means, give it a try (if your hardware supports virtualisation). But all the demos I saw of GPU passthrough were disappointing
[18:46] <nicomachus> booo. kvj: https://askubuntu.com/questions/591488/how-do-i-run-memtest86/591502
[18:46] <ioria> kvj,  from a LiveCD
[18:47] <kvj> Ok im doing it right now
[18:48] <kvj> Anything you people want to tell about memtest ?
[18:48] <Layl> mcphail, I don't know if I can get ever close to a decent try from trying to start my current windows install through qemu on a livecd
[18:48] <ioria> kvj,  yes, it takes a long time
[18:48] <Gallomimia> Layl nvidia drivers are pretty good. you need to use closed-source drivers, but my card pulls in consistent 60fps at 2560x1400 in linux native games. i haven't tried the WINE installs lately, but it ran WoW just fine, and EVE. i struggled with steam games over a year ago
[18:49] <Layl> WoW and EVE aren't that graphics intensive games though
[18:49] <Gallomimia> nah
[18:49] <Layl> my current setup can pull 70-100 on the witcher 3 at reasonably high settings with hairworks on
[18:49] <Gallomimia> i had a go at oblivion
[18:49] <Layl> it would be a shame to lose all that
[18:49] <Gallomimia> and i'm going to try witcher 2
[18:49] <kvj> ioria: ok
[18:49] <cryptonita> Hi con someone tell me whitch serve the irc  the anonhq?
[18:49] <kvj> I will wait
[18:50] <kvj> 10% pass
[18:50] <Gallomimia> Layl i'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that the world needs someone like you to try the games in both setups and report back.
[18:50] <Gallomimia> i humbly request you dual boot, give it a go, and post about it
[18:50] <Layl> unfortunately, I don't exactly have the free time to do such a thing in a very demanding game development study
[18:51] <Gallomimia> then... why do you want to get into linux so bad?
[18:51] <mcphail> Layl: personally, I owuldn't try this form a liveCD. Too much experimentation required for kernel parameters, drivers, etc. Can you add another HD for the ubuntu install (plus a backup of your windows permission in case qemu breaks it)?
[18:51] <Layl> because windows is gradually picking away at my patience
[18:51] <mcphail> s/permission/partition
[18:51] <Gallomimia> yep.
[18:51] <Gallomimia> are you able to run 2 boxes?
[18:52] <Gallomimia> cause i'd run linux as a destkop while using some kind of streaming technology to view the screen of a windows machine
[18:52] <Layl> mcphail, I could, I think I have a spare HDD and another slot in my PC where it could be hooked up
[18:52] <Layl> I guess you can use steam streaming
[18:52] <Gallomimia> yes. and there's other technology out there to do it.
[18:52] <Gallomimia> probably the stuff valve grabbed off the shelf to implement their own
[18:52] <Bashing-om> cryptonita: I do not understand your question . Please rephrase .
[18:52] <mcphail> Indeed. Steam streaming works well
[18:52] <Layl> that would be quite the investment though
[18:52] <Gallomimia> haven't tried it yet.
[18:53] <Layl> I would have to set up a separate box for streaming
[18:53] <Gallomimia> oh well if you don't have a second box, not feasible.
[18:53] <MiningMarsh> wine depends on the game
[18:53] <MiningMarsh> some games run faster under wine
[18:53] <Layl> I do have a separate box but it's a really old media pc
[18:53] <MiningMarsh> some slower. Just have to try them out
[18:53] <Gallomimia> but yeah. my patience went out the door for windows long ago. now my patience for mac is gone too. my patience for linux goes a long way because they don't charge money for their product
[18:53] <nicomachus> #gamingonlinux also exists, FYI, and is a great resource.
[18:54] <Layl> iirc my CPU does have VT-d support
[18:54] <Gallomimia> thanks nicomachus
[18:54] <denis2_> how i can dowload film in my computer i have Linux LUbuntu ?
[18:55] <Layl> intel specs page says yes
[18:55] <Gallomimia> denis2_: can you be more specific?
[18:55] <genii> denis2_: Find a decent scanner with film scanning attachments
[18:56] <lucidguy> MiningMarsh: how is that different?
[18:56] <denis2_> yes Gallomimia i want download a movie in youtube on my computer, how can i ?
[18:56] <Gallomimia> i use keep vid dot com or downvids dot net
[18:56] <ioria>  !info youtube-dl
[18:57] <Gallomimia> nice.
[18:57] <Gallomimia> oh my. is that open source??
[18:57] <ioria> sometimes fails
[18:57] <Chicken_Wrap> !info tree
[18:58] <Chicken_Wrap> !tree
[18:58] <akik> !info any-dl
[18:58] <denis2_> ok thank you
[18:58] <denis2_> i try that
[18:58] <Gallomimia> the reasons for yt downloading failures is when the specific video requires you to login and prove age or location or it's private or something.
[18:58] <ioria> think so
[18:58] <denis2_> yes i say Gallomimia
[18:59] <Gallomimia> thanks ioria and denis2_ made my day
[18:59] <ioria> ^_^
[19:05] <wonderworld> i checked my assigned IPs with "ip addr".  besides my self configured IP <IP_ADDRESS> I noticed a second line: inet <IP_ADDRESS>/24 brd <IP_ADDRESS> scope global secondary net0
[19:05] <limez> EriC^^: to the rescue! :P i managed to get into grub. seems you need to have the right timing holding shift down. i pressed it too early
[19:05] <wonderworld> i can't remember having configured this and was wondering how to find out where it is coming from?
[19:06] <akik> wonderworld: try "grep dhclient /var/log/syslog"
[19:08] <akik> wonderworld: is <IP_ADDRESS> on another interface than <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[19:08] <wonderworld> akik: i can only find my "real" IP there i get from my DHCP server.... so I guess some process must have configured this. it not coming from DHCP
[19:08] <weng> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Fe1hqMUO/IMG_1809.PNG
[19:08] <wonderworld> nope, both on the same interface (net0) which is my LAN interface
[19:08] <weng> new os based on android for pc
[19:09] <akik> wonderworld: can you find the <IP_ADDRESS> in some other log file under /var/log ?
[19:10] <wonderworld> no. strange thing
[19:11] <akik> wonderworld: what version of ubuntu is this that the lan interface is net0?
[19:11] <wonderworld> dow sorry, wrong chan, sorry, i am using arch
[19:11] <akik> :)
[19:11] <wonderworld> but the problem might be the same :)
[19:11] <cryptonita> !ping
[19:12] <wonderworld> thanks anyway
[19:12] <cryptonita> Pong!
[19:12] <EriC^^> limez: cool, any luck with the kernel?
[19:14] <limez> EriC^^: no, not yet. i tried the oldest available (which was 3.13.0-32) and i was stuck at "loading initial ram disk". gonna try another one now
[19:15] <limez> EriC^^: 3.13.0.-48 loaded but the problem on the loginscreen persists
[19:16] <michel____> i formated my external harddrive with ext2 but when i bind it in i do not have right to write on it? why and how to solve it
[19:17] <akik> michel____: re-format it to either ext3 or ext3. then "sudo chown username /media/username/nnnn"
[19:18] <akik> ext3 or ext4
[19:18] <michel____> akik: i need it to have ext2 because of no journal
[19:19] <akik> ok
[19:19] <MiningMarsh> michel____: you can run ext3/4 without a journal
[19:19] <MiningMarsh> they have some speed improvements
[19:19] <MiningMarsh> so it is worth using them even without the journal
[19:20] <EriC^^> limez: that sucks
[19:20] <EriC^^> limez: when did the problem start?
[19:21] <limez> EriC^^: yesterday i did some cleanup, removed old stuff updated my ide's and everything worked fine. i shut it down and today i couldnt log in :s
[19:22] <EriC^^> when was the last time you had rebooted before that?
[19:22] <limez> EriC^^: i usually do a shutdown once a day
[19:23] <EriC^^> ok, maybe /var/log/apt/history.log can show what was installed
[19:23] <michel____> MiningMarsh: i am going to put the harddrive into my router to use it as NAS. according to avm the i should format the drive with fast32 or ext2 because the system running on it is linux based
[19:23] <MiningMarsh> I see
[19:24] <limez> EriC^^: i wrote some xset command in a file in /etc/X11 to improve my mousepointer speec. im gonna search for that one first. just a minute :)
[19:24] <EriC^^> limez: you could try sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver xserver-xorg xserver-org-core and see what happens
[19:24] <EriC^^> limez: ok
[19:25] <kvj> ioria: its still testing
[19:26] <kvj> Is it fine ECC is disabled ?
[19:27] <kvj> Anyone of you can answer
[19:28] <David--> i updated my server last night and since rebooting i cannot open an ssh connection. I have access over the KVM though. Can anyone help me fix it?
[19:29] <Bashing-om> kvj: ECC is error checking within the ram chip and that function is expensive, and rarly done in desk top systems .
[19:29] <kvj> Its laptop
[19:29] <michel____> akik: used chown to change its permissions but i am still noch able to write on it
[19:29] <kvj> Bashing-om
[19:29] <tgm4883> kvj: he means, rarely done in non-server systems
[19:29] <kvj> Ok
[19:30] <limez> EriC^^: hm. apt tells me that xserver is a virtual package and i have to select one of a list: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14471821/
[19:31] <akik> michel____: can you pastebin "ls -al /media/username" ?
[19:31] <platz> been experiencing system hangs lately, best way to troubleshoot?
[19:31] <EriC^^> limez: hmm, can you pastebin dpkg -l | grep xserver ?
[19:31] <x2xx3x> David: is the service running? ip change? and have you got physically accsess to that machine?
[19:32] <kvj> I did memtest  and at the bottom i got message pass complete , no errors , press esc to exit
[19:32] <limez> EriC^^: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14471838/
[19:34] <michel____> akik: drwxr-xr-x  2 michel users   40 11. Jan 20:25 My Passport
[19:34] <akik> michel____: so it looks like the michel user can write to that directory "My Passport"
[19:35] <x2xx3x> is it running on a virtual machine? then im out of that konversation.
[19:35] <SubCool> im trying to add a cifs share to my fstab, but my templete i had on my old system was lost.
[19:35] <SubCool> THis is what i pieced together.
[19:35] <SubCool> /<IP_ADDRESS>/mnt/Storage /mnt/Storage 		ext4	-rw,_netdev,     0 0
[19:35] <michel____> akik:  i cant :(
[19:36] <EriC^^> limez: is this a vm?
[19:36] <EriC^^> limez: try dpkg -l | grep mesa
[19:36] <SubCool> mount: special device //<IP_ADDRESS>/mnt/Storage does not exist
[19:36] <limez> EriC^^: nah its a work machine, thats why im so desperately trying to get it to work :P
[19:37] <akik> michel____: "touch /media/michel/My\ Passport/test" that should create an empty file there
[19:37] <limez> EriC^^: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14471866/
[19:39] <michel____> akik got it
[19:41] <EriC^^> limez: which ubuntu is this
[19:41] <EriC^^> type cat /etc/issue
[19:41] <limez> 14.04
[19:42] <limez> 14.04.3 LTS
[19:42] <limez> and a newline :)
[19:42] <EriC^^> :D
[19:42] <EriC^^> did history.log show any interesting stuff?
[19:43] <EriC^^> i've the same mesa packages you have, except you seem to have the i386 versions removed
[19:43] <EriC^^> this is mine http://paste.ubuntu.com/14471912/
[19:47] <limez> EriC^^: my history.log unfortunately is a huge mess, i removed lots of packages the last days.. i should reboot more often to check if my system still works after removing a package :s
[19:49] <EriC^^> limez: did you try removing what was added in /etc/X11 ?
[19:49] <limez> EriC^^: how do i open a .gz file? can vim do that?
[19:49] <sergiu_> Hi, it is normal when cumputer is getting critical temperature, 70celsius?
[19:49] <EriC^^> did you add anything to /etc/profile ? or /etc/bash.bashrc ?
[19:49] <anonymous287> waw ubuntu is very powerfull
[19:49] <EriC^^> limez: less can handle .gz 'd log files
[19:49] <EriC^^> less /path/to/log
[19:50] <sergiu_> ubuntu x64 is powerfull
[19:50] <sergiu_> ubuntu 32 is not
[19:50] <sergiu_> :D
[19:50] <Gallomimia> anonymous287: welcome. hope you enjoy
[19:50] <anonymous287> that s right
[19:50] <limez> EriC^^: nah nothing, i mostly installed webstorm and removed a few .desktop entries from /usr/share/applications
[19:51] <anonymous287> i used ubuntu 32 with only 2gb of ram and it was very slow
[19:51] <Rhapsody> I have a 64GB USB stick and I want to try out Ubuntu, but I don't want to install it. Some of the things I want to do to see how they work require rebooting Ubuntu. Thing is, without installing it, the copy on the USB stick is always fresh after rebooting.
[19:51] <sergiu_> better install ubuntu 64 to ensure all apps will work
[19:51] <anonymous287> but now i m using ubuntu 64 with 4gb of ram and it waw
[19:51] <Rhapsody> Is there a way I can make a USB stick act like an actual installation of Ubuntu so it doesn't erase the changes on reboot?
[19:52] <Gallomimia> Rhapsody: my solution in that case is to use a second thumbstick with the ubuntu installer, and install ubuntu to the 64gb stick
[19:52] <Rhapsody> Uh, would that make changes to the bootloader then?
[19:52] <Gallomimia> i guess it should be possible to install on the same thumbstick with partitioning
[19:52] <Gallomimia> Rhapsody: only the bootloader on the thumbstick is affected
[19:53] <Rhapsody> Gotcha, so I would still boot into it through the Windows bootloader.
[19:53] <Rhapsody> I'll give it a shot, thanks.
[19:53] <Gallomimia> i do recommend separate thumbsticks. if you have an older one of only 8gb use that for installer/liveUSB
[19:54] <Bashing-om> !persistence
[19:54] <limez> EriC^^: and i moved some software from my /home to /opt
[19:54] <ioria> Rhapsody, you can also try persistent   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCD/Persistence
[19:54] <Rhapsody> I've got a 16GB and 64GB one, I'll use the 16GB as the installer
[19:54] <Bashing-om> Rhapsody: ^^
[19:54] <Gallomimia> oh that can help. i find the installed on a stick to be more of a "just like a real install" experience
[19:54] <Gallomimia> i ran my system off a thumbstick for 2-3 weeks with no issues
[19:55] <anonymous287> is there better than Kazam? ( i hate the sound tsssssssschhhhhhhhh )
[19:55] <Gallomimia> how old is kazam??
[19:55] <Rhapsody> Bashing-om: ioria: Is there a way to set up persistence from Windows so I don't have to load up Ubuntu again prior?
[19:56] <anonymous287> 1.4.5
[19:56] <Gallomimia> partition that stick with a FAT32 volume and you can put files on there to be read by the ubuntu os
[19:56] <Gallomimia> anonymous287: i meant what decade??
[19:57] <ioria> Rhapsody, http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/14912/create-a-persistent-bootable-ubuntu-usb-flash-drive/
[19:57] <Rhapsody> ioria: I'll give it a look, thanks
[19:57] <Gallomimia> anonymous287: okay that's not what i thought it was :)
[19:57] <Chicken_Wrap> I've heard good things about SimpleScreenRecorder, anonymous287.
[19:57] <ioria> Rhapsody, np
[19:58] <anonymous287> chicken_wrap but which is the best configuration ? that is the problem
[19:58] <anonymous287> *what
[19:58] <Chicken_Wrap> What do you mean, anonymous287? The configuration is up to you.
[19:59] <anonymous287> i dont speak about ram or other
[19:59] <anonymous287> but the configuration of the software,  number of picture per second and other
[19:59] <Gallomimia> depends on how fast all your stuff goes
[19:59] <Chicken_Wrap> ^]
[20:00] <Chicken_Wrap> better just to give it a shot, anonymous287.
[20:00] <Rhapsody> On another note, should Ubuntu strike my fancy, is there a way to continue using the Win10 bootloader instead of GRUB?
[20:00] <Chicken_Wrap> See for yourself.
[20:00] <Chicken_Wrap> *Better.
[20:00] <Gallomimia> Rhapsody: i don't think they're necessarily exclusive. it's possible to chainload bootloaders
[20:01] <Chicken_Wrap> anonymous287: http://www.maartenbaert.be/simplescreenrecorder/
[20:02] <akik> Rhapsody: at least on win7 and win8 it's possible
[20:02] <anonymous287> what do you think about gnome shell? it has a screen recorder
[20:02] <Chicken_Wrap> I can't vouch for how well it works or how secure it is because PPAs scare me.
[20:02] <anonymous287> (screencast)
[20:03] <Gallomimia> ppa's scare you? more than official repos?
[20:03] <ioria> anonymous287, you can use import with imagemagick
[20:04] <ioria> anonymous287, in this way you can select what you want
[20:04] <limez> EriC^^: maybe you can find something fishy, thats the apt/history.log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14472061/
[20:04] <tgm4883> saying "PPAs scare me" is like saying "Chicken scares me"
[20:04] <platz> been experiencing system hangs lately, best way to troubleshoot?
[20:05] <EriC^^> limez: did you reinstall grub2 after the last command?
[20:05] <EriC^^> cause sudo apt-get install will install grub legacy
[20:05] <anonymous287> ok thanks
[20:06] <Chicken_Wrap> Yes, Gallomimia.
[20:06] <limez> EriC^^: i wasnt sure if i need to install grub before, i dont think it broke something. at least nothing more :P
[20:06] <EriC^^> you got to reinstall it though
[20:06] <EriC^^> it removed grub2
[20:06] <EriC^^> sudo apt-get install grub2
[20:07] <anonymous287> what is the best configuration of   Bit Rate=72.2 Mb/s  and   Tx-Power=20 dBm
[20:07] <limez> are you sure? i think i was using grub2 30 mins ago
[20:07] <limez> oh
[20:08] <limez> it automatically removes grub2 when i install grub? that wasnt smart by me. thanks for noticing
[20:08] <Saulo> HAUHUAHAUHUAHUAHUAHUAHUA
[20:09] <anonymous287> what is the best ram band ??
[20:09] <Bolt2strike> Hardware question...
[20:10] <anonymous287> there is a hardware channel???
[20:10] <Bolt2strike> Think so
[20:10] <EriC^^> limez: when you installed gdm it was already broke?
[20:10] <nicomachus> ##hardware
[20:10] <BluesKaj> Saulo, do you have a question?
[20:10] <Saulo> BluesKaj: no have!
[20:10] <anonymous287> cool
[20:10] <anonymous287> (i m new here so)
[20:10] <Bolt2strike> Don't worry (I am too)
[20:10] <EriC^^> limez: seems you installed gdm, then lxdm, then lightdm then ubuntu-desktop
[20:10] <nicomachus> !alis | anonymous287 you can use this to find channels
[20:10] <limez> EriC^^: yea, i wanted to test if other dm's wouldnt work too
[20:11] <EriC^^> ok, so it broke on 01-10
[20:11] <limez> EriC^^: yea i mustve broken something yesterday
[20:11] <anonymous287> it s different than others irc
[20:11] <anonymous287> in others irc we use  /list
[20:12] <Bolt2strike> ./list works
[20:12] <Bolt2strike> in HexChat... that is
[20:12] <anonymous287> ahh ok, i m using hexchat so
[20:12] <Bolt2strike> then /list should work
[20:12] <anonymous287> yes
[20:13] <limez> EriC^^: i remember moving some stuff out of my home directory but as lightdm doesnt work with any account i cant explain it
[20:13] <Bolt2strike> mhmm
[20:13] <EriC^^> limez: ok, try sudo apt-get purge gdm lxdm
[20:13] <EriC^^> limez: then apt-get install --reinstall lightdm
[20:14] <EriC^^> limez: then apt-cache depends ubuntu-desktop | awk '/Depends/ {print $2}' | xargs sudo apt-get -y install --reinstall
[20:14] <limez> sudo reboot, lets see if i broke something, broke something else, and then fixed the first thing
[20:15] <anonymous287> i have a small problem while using sudo su
[20:16] <limez> EriC^^: does this reinstall all dependencies of ubuntu-desktop?
[20:16] <EriC^^> limez: just the first "wave" of them
[20:16] <anonymous287> $ sudo su    password [sudo] for **** : bash: /root/.rvm/scripts/rvm: no file or folder type
[20:16] <jhon75> If i use vmware or by pass equivalent software it's possible to boot all system i have installed on my computer ?
[20:16] <limez> one level in the tree got it
[20:17] <Gallomimia> dont use sudo and su in the same command
[20:17] <EriC^^> anonymous287: try cat /root/{.bashrc,.profile}
[20:18] <limez> EriC^^: got an error! :o java one. ProviderExeption  while running hooks in /etc/ca-certificates/update.d
[20:18] <bshacklett> Gallomimia: Is that just for cleanliness or is there a vulnerability there?
[20:18] <Gallomimia> not quite so serious as you make it out
[20:19] <Gallomimia> but you can get into some bad trouble using them both. besides, you don't need to
[20:19] <Chicken_Wrap> If log in as root, everything runs as root.
[20:19] <Chicken_Wrap> And then the world explodes.
[20:19] <bshacklett> lol
[20:19] <Gallomimia> running anything as root is a pretty bad idea
[20:19] <Chicken_Wrap> Right.
[20:19] <anonymous287> same thing Eric^^
[20:19] <Gallomimia> unless you're actually rooting and admin'ing. and then it's only basic commands
[20:19] <EriC^^> anonymous287: no i mean check what's in there
[20:19] <Chicken_Wrap> It's just tedious to write "sudo" ever three seconds.
[20:20] <Gallomimia> sudo -i
[20:20] <EriC^^> cause that's what's run after you login i think
[20:20] <Chicken_Wrap> True.
[20:20] <bshacklett> Sure. There are some cases where it's pretty difficult to avoid, though. Dealing with SSL private keys or secured log files have made me run `sudo -i` in the past.
[20:20] <Gallomimia> or you can use sudo -u anotheruser
[20:20] <Chicken_Wrap> With that in mind, why even bother using <su>?
[20:20] <Gallomimia> its kinda deprecated
[20:20] <Chicken_Wrap> For Root, that is.
[20:20] <bshacklett> Unless I'm mistaken, I don't think there's much difference between `sudo -i` and su beyond having to share the root password.
[20:20] <EriC^^> anonymous287: type sudo cat /root/.bashrc | nc openterm.tk 9
[20:20] <dreamcat4> hi! so how is 16.04 / unity 8 alpha 1 at the moment? too buggy to use?
[20:21] <Gallomimia> bshacklett: that's the weakness yes. also sudo has rules and limits you can set
[20:21] <Gallomimia> see man sudoers
[20:21] <Chicken_Wrap> I think you're right, BluesKaj.
[20:21] <Chicken_Wrap> Oops.
[20:21] <xangua> !16.04 | dreamcat4
[20:21] <Chicken_Wrap> bshacklett*
[20:21] <bshacklett> Gallomimia: do those rules apply when using `sudo-i`? That's pretty cool.
[20:21] <dreamcat4> xangua: ok thanks
[20:22] <Gallomimia> i've read some articles about this stuff. it's very very minute differences. mostly environment variables
[20:22] <anonymous287> same thing
[20:22] <Gallomimia> i think su runs the .profile in /root and sudo -i lets all the stuff in your current env pass thru
[20:22] <Gallomimia> or something. best to look it up
[20:23] <limez> EriC^^: the problem is a missing file in my java installation, im gonna look that up and check how to get it
[20:23] <EriC^^> limez: ok
[20:23] <EriC^^> sounds good
[20:23] <Gallomimia> and then you can do goofy things like sudo su and it does something else entirely.
[20:23] <Chicken_Wrap> Gallomimia: I think that's sudo -e.
[20:23] <nicomachus> sudo su is not recommended.
[20:23] <Chicken_Wrap> Wait, no.
[20:23] <Gallomimia> oh maybe. i find remembering the differences is not worth it
[20:23] <Chicken_Wrap> sudo -E
[20:23] <akik> Gallomimia: always use sudo su -
[20:23] <Viss> so I tried to install nvidia drivers on my ubuntu laptop and it murdered my unity/x11 configs. Nothing custom, but now the gui is completely horked. Is there an easy-ish way to basically tear out gnome/unity and have it completely reinstalled from scratch without actually formatting the thing?
[20:24] <geirha> use sudo -i  to get a login shell, sudo -s to get a non-login shell, never su
[20:24] <Gallomimia> akik no i recommend sudo -i
[20:24] <Chicken_Wrap> What do people mean by "login shell"?
[20:24] <akik> Gallomimia: i meant when using sudo su, add the -
[20:24] <EriC^^> Viss: just purge the nvidia drivers
[20:24] <BluesKaj> add your most used sudo commands to ~/.bashrc like so:  alias uu=sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade, as an example
[20:24] <Viss> EriC^^ i did
[20:24] <Viss> no luck
[20:24] <Gallomimia> akik perhaps you can explain why?
[20:24] <Chicken_Wrap> I honestly can't understand what that means.
[20:24] <geirha> A login shell will read .profile, a non-login shell will read .bashrc (assuming your login shell is bash)
[20:25] <akik> Gallomimia: you'll get root's whole environment
[20:25] <Chicken_Wrap> Oh, alright, thanks.
[20:25] <Gallomimia> ah
[20:25] <bshacklett> geirha: Beat me to it. :-)
[20:25] <Viss> EriC^^ my other alternative is to back up my homedir and format, start from scratch.
[20:25] <Gallomimia> yeah i'm not even that well versed in what an "environment" really is anyway
[20:25] <geirha> .profile is where you set up the environment, .bashrc is where you set up the interactive bash session (prompt, aliases, functions etc)
[20:25] <EriC^^> Viss: try sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[20:25] <Chicken_Wrap> .bashrc 4lyfe
[20:25] <akik> Gallomimia: you'll notice that if you don't use the dash, you'll still be at the old directory where you ran sudo
[20:26] <geirha> since a login shell does not automatically source .bashrc, make sure .profile sources it (the default .profile does this, so you only have to worry if you roll your own)
[20:26] <Gallomimia> so many configuration files :(
[20:26] <blackflow> Hello. Installed Chromium in 15.10 and I can't get to it. Typing "chromium" shows no results, and the Software center lists it installed but no button to start.
[20:27] <bshacklett> Gallomimia: Yeah, but they all have their purpose.
[20:27] <Viss> EriC^^ trying now
[20:27] <Chicken_Wrap> Can you start it from the shell, blackflow?
[20:27] <geirha> It's a bit messy because history. You can read some more about it at http://mywiki.wooledge.org/DotFiles
[20:27] <Gallomimia> blackflow: did you search for chromium in the search bar?
[20:27] <blackflow> Gallomimia: yes the search bar shows nothing
[20:27] <bshacklett> The main idea is that you might have things you want to run on login, but not every time a shell gets opened, which can happen multiple times per login
[20:27] <Chicken_Wrap> Try it from the shell.
[20:27] <blackflow> Chicken_Wrap: sure
[20:27] <artois> blackflow: dpkg -L chromium | grep bin
[20:28] <blackflow> starts just fine
[20:28] <Chicken_Wrap> Noice.
[20:28] <anonymous287> terminal? typing chromium  or google-chrome
[20:28] <Gallomimia> pin to dock
[20:28] <Chicken_Wrap> So it's installed correctly but the dash isn't catching it.
[20:28] <onezuff> how many of these processes can be disabled to conserve ram http://i.imgur.com/NMeosZ7.png ?
[20:28] <Chicken_Wrap> He just did, anonymous287. Dumb question, blackflow, but have you restarted your computer?
[20:28] <blackflow> Chicken_Wrap: yeah, I was hoping there's a way to kick dash into recaching or something...
[20:28] <blackflow> Chicken_Wrap: you're kidding, right :)
[20:29] <Chicken_Wrap> You'd be surprised.
[20:29] <blackflow> :D
[20:29] <onezuff> blackflow you from #freebsd channel?
[20:29] <anonymous287> you knew that there is a small differences between  google chrome and chromium?
[20:29] <blackflow> onezuff: yup
[20:29] <onezuff> nice
[20:29] <ioria> blackflow, try  chromium-browser
[20:29] <Chicken_Wrap> Have you looked at this, blackflow? http://askubuntu.com/questions/501880/applications-dont-appear-in-the-dash-14-04
[20:29] <blackflow> ioria: nothing
[20:29] <blackflow> Chicken_Wrap: oh, good find, thanks
[20:30] <Chicken_Wrap> No problem. Let  us know if it works.
[20:30] <anonymous287> why do you use chromium??
[20:30] <Chicken_Wrap> Chromium is open-source.
[20:30] <blackflow> nah the command line + lock to launcher suffices
[20:31] <Chicken_Wrap> You sure you'll be fine with the shell launching, blackflow?
[20:31] <ioria> blackflow, apt-cache policy chromium-browser
[20:31] <blackflow> Chicken_Wrap: well that was my next question, whether launching from a shell makes a difference for the launcher...
[20:31] <Gallomimia> onezuff: i'm going to say.... zero. maybe you want a lighter weight distro than what you're running? on only 64mb ram?
[20:31] <anonymous287> i think that firefox is better
[20:32] <Chicken_Wrap> blackflow: It will all work the same, but the process will be attached to your terminal unless you manually detach it.
[20:32] <Chicken_Wrap> So if you kill your terminal, Chromium will quit,
[20:32] <onezuff> Gallomimia, i just read that if i change to 32-bit os version then the applications will be even smaller?
[20:32] <blackflow> Chicken_Wrap: oh now it appears in dash too
[20:32] <parazit> Hi there.
[20:32] <Chicken_Wrap> Noice.
[20:32] <Chicken_Wrap> :^)
[20:32] <Gallomimia> sounds reasonable
[20:32] <Chicken_Wrap> Hello, parazit.
[20:32] <blackflow> Chicken_Wrap: yea but once locked to lancher, launching it doesn't go through terminal again
[20:32] <MonkeyDust> onezuff  where did you read that? source?
[20:33] <Chicken_Wrap> Yes, blackflow. That's normal.
[20:33] <parazit> So I'm new here is this some kind of alternative of MIRC or somthing like it
[20:33] <Chicken_Wrap> It will only be attached to the terminal if you execute VIA the terminal.
[20:33] <akik> onezuff: xinetd can be stopped if you don't have any services under it
[20:33] <blackflow> Chicken_Wrap: right, right. So all is good :) Thanks for the assistance.
[20:33] <onezuff> MonkeyDust, http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-185329.html
[20:33] <MonkeyDust> parazit  mirc is an irc client, there are many different others
[20:33] <Chicken_Wrap> No problem. :^)
[20:33] <Gallomimia> onezuff: maybe you'd like lubuntu (l stands for light) or another distro that uses less ram? there's setups that have all the extras cut out
[20:33] <onezuff> akik i tried to disable it with update-rc but it didn't work
[20:34] <onezuff> Gallomimia, it is a VPS that only lets you choose from centos debian and ubuntu
[20:34] <Chicken_Wrap> Like MonkeyDust said. MIRC is just the client.
[20:34] <onezuff> and it uses minimal trimmed versions to start with Gallomimia
[20:34] <akik> onezuff: "service xinetd stop" might work
[20:34] <tgm4883> Gallomimia: L in Lubuntu stands for LXDE
[20:34] <anonymous287> http://blog.pluralsight.com/install-google-chrome-chromium-ubuntu-linux
[20:34] <Gallomimia> oh.
[20:34] <akik> onezuff: how much does the vps cost?
[20:34] <spartan2276> How can I recover my password or change it on my Ubuntu box? I forgot the passwd LOL....I have not touched that shit in months
[20:35] <onezuff> i can stop it that way on demand but i'd rather it not start at boot afik
[20:35] <Chicken_Wrap> Gallomimia: Doesn't the "L" in Lubuntu stand for LXDE?
[20:35] <Gallomimia> yeah i hope it's cheap as borsche
[20:35] <Gallomimia> Chicken_Wrap: you should ask tgm4883
[20:35] <parazit> Yeah I know but from many years there was no anything popular in my country like this sins mirk so i got to say that I'm happy to hear there is somthing old in the network, and there is somone to use it :)
[20:35] <onezuff> it is $8/yr akik. i have real vps's at digital ocean / vultr i am just using this to play on a super cheap VPS to learn what i can do with 64MB
[20:35] <Chicken_Wrap> I'm pretty sure it is, since Xubuntu is "XFCE 'buntu."
[20:35] <Chicken_Wrap> So I'm sticking to that. :^)
[20:35] <akik> onezuff: "sudo update-rc.d -f xinetd remove"
[20:35] <Gallomimia> yeah that's a nice cheap vps
[20:36] <Gallomimia> i have one that's 19/y
[20:36] <blackflow> Chicken_Wrap: I was just going to say that, L is for LXDE not for "Light Ubuntu"
[20:36] <ioria> spartan2276, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery
[20:36] <Chicken_Wrap> Yep.
[20:36] <tgm4883> onezuff: haven't been following along, are you just trying to stop something from starting at boot?
[20:36] <onezuff> i was running update-rc.d -f xinetd disable
[20:36] <onezuff>  afik :(
[20:36] <MonkeyDust> parazit  you use mirc to go to an irc channel, but you can use any other irc client to do the same ... mirc is simply one of the lany programs
[20:36] <onezuff> the remove commadn seems to work let me reboot
[20:36] <MonkeyDust> many*
[20:36] <Gallomimia> tgm4883 beat you both. a long time ago
[20:36] <Chicken_Wrap> i cri
[20:37] <onezuff> tgm4883, i'm running a 64mb VPS and trying to trim uncessary start up services to save ram
[20:37] <Bashing-om> spartan2276: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/resetpassword <- Here are easy instructions to reset your password in Ubuntu .
[20:37] <parazit> Yep  :) 10x I'm just saing that, here nobody use irc clients anymore
[20:37] <tgm4883> onezuff: and this OS VPS runs upstart?
[20:37] <tgm4883> onezuff: or does it run systemd? What version of ubuntu
[20:37] <onezuff> tgm4883, ubuntu 14 i think it is just init, hwo do i know if it's upstart?
[20:37] <onezuff> http://lowendbox.com/blog/berry-servers-8year-openvz-64mb-ram-2gb-hd-100gb-bw-in-phoenix/ tgm4883
[20:37] <MonkeyDust> parazit  what is your ubuntu qsuestion?
[20:38] <onezuff> is my VPS just a container like docker basically?
[20:38] <Chicken_Wrap> Don't they have to use IRC clients, parazit?
[20:38] <tgm4883> onezuff: well it's either upstart or systemd or it's completely unsupported
[20:38] <akik> 14.04 also has systemd-udevd
[20:38] <Chicken_Wrap> By the way, parazit, you might like Weechat.
[20:38] <parazit> No
[20:38] <onezuff> yeah where did that thing come from akik can i disable it?
[20:39] <akik> onezuff: i don't think you should
[20:39] <parazit> people just use facebook.com
[20:39] <onezuff> a guy in the VPS thread said "I recommend turning off all services except for those that you use, then your OS uses approximately 8mb RAM :D"
[20:39] <tgm4883> onezuff: and in either case, there are ways to disable services from starting at boot, neither of which is hitting doing update rc
[20:39] <onezuff> i just dont know which services can be disabled without bricking the vps
[20:40] <onezuff> this is the closest i can get 18.1 MB of 64 MB Used / 45.9 MB Free
[20:40] <parazit> So I'm trying a OS based on ubuntu and this irc client was in there and I'm just testing it
[20:40] <artois> only silly OSes leave RAM unused
[20:40] <artois> so you can go ahead and discount his advice
[20:40] <artois> (even if it _does_ make sense to disable things you don't actually use)
[20:40] <Chicken_Wrap> parazit: Which distro? Linux Mint?
[20:40] <akik> onezuff: i think you can get rid of the gettys too :)
[20:40] <parazit> No BACKBOX
[20:40] <onezuff> isn't that my terminal session akik ?
[20:40] <Chicken_Wrap> Why Backbox, of all things?
[20:40] <MonkeyDust> parazit  backbox is not supported here, tou're in the wrong channel
[20:41] <parazit> and I have to sai that everything is working with ubuntu options
[20:41] <parazit> say%
[20:41] <akik> onezuff: they are for the virtual consoles. a ssh connection doesn't start a new getty
[20:41] <parazit> if anyone use it he will need you for help
[20:41] <onezuff> xinetd started up again haha akik  :(
[20:41] <Chicken_Wrap> So what's the issue, parazit?
[20:42] <tgm4883> !backbox | parazit
[20:42] <Viss> EriC^^ well, that command installed some stuff, but when I start lightdm it blinks at me a few times, but no gui.
[20:42] <ioria> sometimes you need an .override
[20:42] <parazit> Nothing sorry for the taken time ;)
[20:42] <MonkeyDust> parazit  backbox has its own channel
[20:42] <Chicken_Wrap> wat
[20:42] <parazit> just an experiment
[20:42] <parazit> bey
[20:42] <parazit> bay$
[20:42] <parazit> yyy
[20:42] <Gallomimia> onezuff: most of the stuff in that top screenshot you posted will either crash the system if you stop it, or restart on its own
[20:42] <parazit> sryt
[20:42] <Chicken_Wrap> Well, okay then.
[20:42] <akik> onezuff: ok i think xinetd starts through upstart -> echo manual > /etc/init/xinetd.override
[20:42] <Chicken_Wrap> Anyway. :^)
[20:43] <onezuff> how are things starting at boot if they arent in /etc/init.d/
[20:43] <akik> onezuff: upstart's config is in /etc/init
[20:43] <onezuff> ubuntu 14.04 is upstart or init?
[20:43] <ioria> up
[20:44] <tgm4883> onezuff: upstart
[20:44] <akik> all have init
[20:44] <ioria> echo manual | sudo tee /etc/init/service.override     , like for networkManager
[20:44] <onezuff> i did update.rc thing to getty and it still started too
[20:44] <tgm4883> akik: I believe he was actually asking about sysvinit
[20:44] <akik> oh ok
[20:45] <onezuff> with upstart do i manage services with service or update.rc?
[20:45] <ioria> !upstart
[20:46] <onezuff> hey the override thing got of xinetd akik
[20:46] <onezuff> free'd up 2MB :)
[20:47] <michel_> i mounted my nas manually so far. is there a way to mount it on login if its avalible?
[20:47] <michel_> nas mount via samba
[20:48] <Ben64> !fstab | michel_
[20:48] <dust> will the 16.04 release have the 4.5 kernel?
[20:49] <Chicken_Wrap> !help
[20:49] <Chicken_Wrap> !commands
[20:49] <Chicken_Wrap> ... Is there a manual for the bot somewhere?
[20:49] <Ben64> !ubottu | Chicken_Wrap
[20:49] <Chicken_Wrap> Thanks.
[20:49] <michel_> ubottu: as i know fstab wants the included so badly so it wont boot wiyhout it. thats what  i faced with the external usb drive attached on my server
[20:50] <Chicken_Wrap> Ubottu is so modest.
[20:50] <michel_> Ben64:  as i know fstab wants the included so badly so it wont boot wiyhout it. thats what  i faced with the external usb drive attached on my server
[20:50] <Ben64> michel_: it will boot
[20:51] <onezuff> i deleted the /etc/init/tty* and when i reboot it seems to keep re-creating the tty2.conf and spawning a getty console
[20:51] <onezuff> how do i get rid of this thing
[20:52] <samiraljohani> Hello everyone
[20:52] <Chicken_Wrap> Hello, samiraljohani.
[20:52] <sarmiento> hi
[20:52] <cryptonita> Hello
[20:52] <onezuff> if i kill them manually the keep respawning
[20:52] <sarmiento> hablan español
[20:52] <onezuff> lol
[20:52] <sarmiento> ?
[20:52] <samiraljohani> Does anyone know an article that explains how I can turn my ubuntu into a simple web server and connect it to a domain on godaddy.com?
[20:54] <akik> onezuff: sudo initctl list | grep tty
[20:54] <onezuff> tty2 start/running, process 543
[20:55] <ioria> samiraljohani, apache2 ?
[20:55] <akik> onezuff: sudo initctl show-config tty2
[20:55] <MonkeyDust> samiraljohani  find tasksel in the repos (task select)
[20:55] <onezuff> tty2
[20:55] <onezuff>   start on stopped rc RUNLEVEL=[2345]
[20:55] <onezuff>   stop on runlevel [!2345]
[20:55] <akik> onezuff: then you can probably find the corresponding file in /etc/init
[20:55] <onezuff> it is /etc/init/tty2.conf, if i delete it akik, it re-creates itself at boot
[20:55] <onezuff> maybe the vps is doing this to make it idiot proof to lock yourself out?
[20:55] <Ben64> onezuff: why are you deleting it
[20:55] <akik> onezuff: use that "echo manual" thingy
[20:56] <onezuff> oh LMAO
[20:56] <onezuff> i thought you were supposed to delete it
[20:56] <samiraljohani> @MonkeyDust Sorry, what do you mean?
[20:56] <MonkeyDust> samiraljohani  install and run tasksel
[20:57] <onezuff> do i overwrite the entire file akik or just put manual at the top?
[20:57] <samiraljohani> Uhuh so it's going to let me connect my domain and help me host my doman?
[20:57] <akik> onezuff: no no. "echo manual > /etc/init/tty2.override"
[20:58] <MonkeyDust> samiraljohani  it wil help you install server applications
[20:59] <akik> onezuff: remember to leave one getty there if you have a remote console
[20:59] <MonkeyDust> samiraljohani  and there's also the #ubuntu-server channel
[20:59] <akik> onezuff: just in case your sshd doesn't connect
[20:59] <dust> !kernel
[21:00] <onezuff> testing it now akik
[21:00] <dust> !Mainline
[21:02] <onezuff> thanks akik i was able to disable tty2, but how come this one still shows in ps aux "/sbin/getty 38400 console"
[21:02] <onezuff> says it is on tty1 but it does not show when i run /sbin/getty 38400 console
[21:02] <onezuff> sudo initctl list | grep tty
[21:02] <onezuff>  *
[21:03] <onezuff> sudo initctl show-config tty1
[21:03] <onezuff> initctl: Unknown job: tty1
[21:03] <akik> onezuff: it might be /etc/init/console.conf
[21:04] <onezuff> it was akik :) you are a smart and cutie guy
[21:04] <akik> onezuff: you should probably keep that for remote console
[21:04] <onezuff> i will re-enable it but for learning i'm trying to see how much ram i can free up akik
[21:05] <akik> the thing is keeping gettys running is a no-brainer for current machines
[21:06] <onezuff> a few more MB free :D 15.7 MB of 64 MB Used / 48.3 MB Free
[21:08] <akik> onezuff: if you don't need logs.. stop rsyslog
[21:08] <onezuff> was doing that one next
[21:08] <akik> :)
[21:08] <onezuff> this initctl show-config is realy nice
[21:09] <onezuff> rsyslog
[21:09] <onezuff>   start on filesystem
[21:09] <onezuff>   stop on runlevel [06]
[21:09] <onezuff> does this mean something is in /etc/init when it says start on filesystem?
[21:09] <Tito90> ciao
[21:09] <Tito90> !list
[21:09] <akik> !pastebin | onezuff
[21:10] <onezuff> thanks
[21:10] <onezuff> cool man another 1MB free :D
[21:11] <onezuff> here is what is left akik http://pastebin.com/ws20nKk7
[21:12] <akik> onezuff: you could switch bash to some other smaller shell
[21:13] <samiraljohani> Oh okay, thanks MonkeyDust, I appreciate it.
[21:14] <wh3ko19> Is there any way to reasonably prevent any non-VPN traffic on a specific whitelist or blacklist of Wifi networks?
[21:15] <wh3ko19> The only thought I've had so far is to use an ifup script that modifies the routing tables, but that feels kinda fragile to me.
[21:18] <wh3ko19> I'm thinking I'll start with this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1973163
[21:18] <wh3ko19> But is there a way to modify it so the rules depend on the Wifi SSID.
[21:19] <onezuff> like sh akik?
[21:19] <hilflos> hi. i have made a fresh install of ubuntu (15.10) on my new computer from a persistent usb stick (via unetbootin). it seems that the install kept the persistent keyword in grub config. now i can only boot into guest mode. any hints?
[21:20] <akik> onezuff: yes, it's actually dash on ubuntu
[21:20] <O_OniGiri> Hi guys, recently I installed ubuntu gnome and whenever I open something related to the settings panel my laptop freezes for second (black screen) and then the settings open.
[21:20] <O_OniGiri> Does anyone know how to solve this problem?
[21:21] <O_OniGiri> Actually this also happened when I was running Fedora
[21:21] <akik> onezuff: how low did you get the mem usage?
[21:21] <onezuff> thanks akik  14.5 MB of 64 MB Used / 49.5 MB Free
[21:21] <onezuff> i'm pretty happy with that
[21:22] <onezuff> that is without logging in via ssh
[21:22] <onezuff> when i ssh in it goes to 17 MB :D
[21:22] <michel_> Ben64: ok i added the samba drive to fstab. it works when i am on a wired connection but for wireless it doesnt work. got "mount error(101): Network is unreachable"
[21:27] <mauriziozandron> ciao
[21:27] <mauriziozandron> !list
[21:28] <amdadssadasf> No warez pls
[21:28] <onezuff> i see no warez
[21:29] <gordonjcp> onezuff: there isn't any
[21:29] <onezuff> wth
[21:29] <gordonjcp> onezuff: there was just an Italian guy doing the usual "ciao / !list" nonsense they always do
[21:29] <onezuff> what is !list?
[21:29] <tomreyn> there are some warez here http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[21:29] <amdadssadasf> onezuff pls stop warez
[21:29] <gambl0re> !ops
[21:30] <k1l_> a command used on warez irc servers. but he is already gone. no need to worry
[21:30] <gordonjcp> onezuff: on some IRC channels there's a bot that will CTCP warezed stuff across to you
[21:30] <k1l_> amdadssadasf: drop it please
[21:30] <gordonjcp> onezuff: it's annoying and you shouldn't do it
[21:30] <Myrtti> gambl0re: can we just move on, please?
[21:30] <onezuff> cool
[21:30] <therealtbe> how to have alt+tab NOT group windows together?
[21:30] <Myrtti> well, everyone, could we just move on?
[21:30] <amdadssadasf> Why?
[21:31] <Myrtti> because this is a support channel and the person in question left already?
[21:31] <therealtbe> how to have alt+tab NOT group windows together?
[21:31] <nicomachus> therealtbe: not sure there is a way... but you know if you hold it on one group for a bit, it will expand the group right?
[21:31] <tomreyn> therealtbe: i'm not sure whether that's an option on unity, but you could always try a different window manager / desktop
[21:32] <therealtbe> ugh it is so annoying
[21:32] <amdadssadasf> warez never dies
[21:32] <therealtbe> I want to just alt+tab like a normal alt+tabber
[21:32] <Chicken_Wrap> What just happened?
[21:32] <therealtbe> nicomachus: I understand how it works;  it takes forever;  I just want to alt+tab between terminals like I used to
[21:33] <nicomachus> therealtbe: perhaps this can help: http://www.randomhacks.co.uk/how-change-ubuntu-unity-window-switcher-back-to-old-style/
[21:33] <nacc> therealtbe: there's a gnome extension, alternatetab
[21:33] <Chicken_Wrap> What are warez?
[21:34] <Chicken_Wrap> Looking it up, it just looks like torrents.
[21:34] <Myrtti> Chicken_Wrap: can we not get into this discussion?
[21:34] <tomreyn> therealtbe: http://askubuntu.com/questions/105400/how-to-disable-the-grouping-of-windows-on-the-launcher
[21:35] <tomreyn> i guess that's better than nothing
[21:35] <therealtbe> why are these solutions so f'ing complicated just to have a simple behavior
[21:35] <therealtbe> why would unity developers change a simple thing like alt+tab and not provide a simple way to go back to the way everyone is used to
[21:35] <nicomachus> therealtbe: the link I sent isn't that complicated.
[21:36] <nicomachus> You are welcome to submit your own code for Unity 8 and argue your position. But that's not a conversation to be had here.
[21:36] <mcphail> therealtbe: does alt + ` do what ypu need?
[21:37] <therealtbe> mcphail: that works for windows of apps of same type
[21:37] <mcphail> therealtbe: thought ypou were asking how to switch between ypour terminals?
[21:37] <therealtbe> I want alt tab to work like it used to
[21:37] <therealtbe> it's pretty simple
[21:37] <therealtbe> nobody likes the new behavior
[21:37] <nicomachus> I like it.
[21:38] <therealtbe> whatever, it introduces unnecessary multi second delay in switching windows
[21:38] <therealtbe> and it's not simple option to disable this crappy feature
[21:38] <nicomachus> I provided a simple option.
[21:38] <tgm4883> I like it to, not that I know what we're talking about but you speak so matter-of-factly that I feel compelled to take the other option
[21:38] <MonkeyDust> therealtbe  alt+tab is used to switch applications ... what more do you want it to do
[21:38] <therealtbe> MonkeyDust: work like it used to.
[21:38] <MonkeyDust> therealtbe  meaning?
[21:39] <therealtbe> aka not group the windows together
[21:39] <therealtbe> alt tab used to switch between each window,  now it switches between Groups of Windows
[21:39] <nicomachus> 15:33 < nicomachus> therealtbe: perhaps this can help:
[21:39] <nicomachus> http://www.randomhacks.co.uk/how-change-ubuntu-unity-window-switcher-back-to-old
[21:39] <nicomachus> -style/
[21:39] <therealtbe> if you want to go inside a Group you ahve to wait for a second for it to expand
[21:39] <nacc> therealtbe: i think you've been given at least two options ... did you try eithere?
[21:39] <nacc> either, rahter
[21:40] <MonkeyDust> therealtbe  yes, that's correct, you can switch between windows in the same group, by holding the key longer
[21:40] <therealtbe> just give me 1 hour with the product manager. that's all I want
[21:41] <tgm4883> MonkeyDust: I think that's the rub, the extra time
[21:41] <MonkeyDust> therealtbe  you'll have to contact canonical, i guess, if you want that
[21:42] <mcphail> Opens immediately if you keep Alt held then `
[21:42] <nicomachus> or #ubuntu-unity
[21:43] <therealtbe> tgm4883:  yes!  the time!  it is so slow.  something that used to be very simple alt+tab, alt+tab,  now it is   alt+tab, hold, wait 2s, alt+tab...
[21:43] <mcphail> therealtbe: no - alt-tab then hold alt + `. Takes no time
[21:43] <tgm4883> mcphail: if I'm understanding him correctly, the issue isn't switching between 2 applications of the same group. It's when you switch from an application to a different application when there are multiple windows of the destination app open
[21:43] <mcphail> tgm4883: yes, see my last reply
[21:43] <therealtbe> open two browsers and two terminals then switch between them arbitrarily.
[21:44] <therealtbe> before this took maximum alt+tab * 3
[21:44]  * tgm4883 switches back to his ubuntu box to test this
[21:44] <therealtbe> now it takes +2second wait when waiting for group to expand
[21:44] <mcphail> therealtbe: no, read my last reply
[21:44] <therealtbe> NO I WANT THE OLD BEHAVIOR
[21:44] <nicomachus> he doesn't care about solutions, just wants to complain.
[21:44] <therealtbe> quit telling me work arounds for this feature I do not like
[21:44] <nicomachus> no longer a support topic.
[21:45] <onezuff> nothing like talking to customers to make you realize that the average person is a moron. "i've had this house for 20 years, you're telling that all of a sudden i have a water leak now? i think you're just ripping me off"
[21:45] <xangua> therealtbe: the old behaviour before what, unity? Use Ubuntu mate or any other desktop
[21:45] <tgm4883> mcphail: no, that doesn't work
[21:45] <mcphail> therealtbe: then switch desktop environment to something you like. That is how Unity works. You have choices
[21:45] <mcphail> tgm4883: yes, it does. I have just done it
[21:45] <therealtbe> I would like someone to explain how the new alt+tab bevhaior is beneficial in any way
[21:45] <therealtbe> the only thing it can do is slow people down
[21:45] <tgm4883> mcphail: alt+` only allows switching windows for the same application
[21:45] <therealtbe> this feature was added with no justification
[21:46] <nicomachus> therealtbe: do you have a support question that we can actually fix?
[21:46] <zamabe> Hello. I'm having trouble with a grub2 config. Is this the correct place to ask about it?
[21:46] <mcphail> tgm4883: use alt-tab to swicth to the other application group, hold alt (release tab) and tap `
[21:46] <EriC^^> zamabe: yup
[21:46] <EriC^^> shoot
[21:46] <tgm4883> mcphail: yea that is true
[21:47] <sque> Hi! I am have installed Ubuntu Gnome 15.10 on HP Probook 440 G3 (Intel Skylake with IGT only) and the FN buttons that control brightness and sound do not work. On the dmesg I can see a messages like "Unknown key pressed (translated set 2, code 0x92 on isa0060/serio0)." whenever I press one of them. How could I fix this?
[21:47] <tgm4883> mcphail: it's more messy that the previous way of doing it, but I suppose 2 steps forward, 1 step back
[21:47] <onezuff> you can set them manually sque but i forgot the program
[21:47] <onezuff> xsetkeymap or something
[21:47] <mcphail> tgm4883: not more messy when you have lots of windows open
[21:48] <tgm4883> mcphail: which is precisely why I said "2 steps forward, 1 step back"
[21:48] <zamabe> I need to use grub2's write_dword to overcome a BIOS whitelist for my wifi card. Adding it manually and rebooting works, but adding a 1 liner to /etc/grub.d/ with a write_dword command makes grub2-mkconfig spit out "write_dword: not found", so when apt does another upgrade, it'll wipe out the write_dword
[21:48] <MonkeyDust> if therealtbe should return ... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1296093
[21:48] <mcphail> tgm4883: ha - I didn't parse that one correctly ;)
[21:48] <tgm4883> personally I just dual monitor split screen all of it
[21:49] <sque> onezuff, so the solution is to manually map them right? I will find the way how.
[21:49] <zamabe> Clearly grub2 has a write_dword function (have found it in the code before, don't have a reference), but I can't get grub2-mkconfig to let me use it :/
[21:50] <onezuff> i can't remember the program sque let me check my laptop
[21:51] <codydh> Hello! I'm lpoking to get a really cheap netbook (maybe Chromebook?) that will run Ubuntu out of the box, aka no extra drivers required (specifically Wifi of course an issue). Any suggestions? I'm looking at the Lenovo Ideapad 100s, or really anything halfway decent considering a $200 price tag.
[21:51] <onezuff> nevermind sque i'm using i3 and the syntax bindsym lets you find keys to stuff but it's not a standalone util. but i know there is one
[21:54] <xangua> codydh: check system76.com or thinkpenguin.com , both send worldwide
[21:54] <xangua> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuPre-installed
[21:55] <tgm4883> erg, xangua neither of those companies offer anything close to a $200 laptop
[21:55] <codydh> xangua: I think those are all real laptops, this is more of a utility/super cheap machine. My main machine is high end.
[21:56] <xangua> Ok
[21:56] <sque> onezuff, don't worry I have found a nice article to explain how to map keys: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/extra_keyboard_keys I was just wondering if it is an ACPI problem. Thank you very much for your help :)
[21:56] <zamabe> write_dword: grub-core/commands/memrw.c:143
[21:56] <onezuff> nice sque
[22:00] <neredsenvy> Is it possible to create a partition for Windows without Ubuntu live usb/cd ?
[22:01] <verrlara> Is it possible to merge the swap partition into the root partition now that I added more ram and no longer need it?
[22:01] <MonkeyDust> neredsenvy  you mean, while you're running ubuntu?
[22:02] <Jordan_U> verrlara: Do you ever plan to suspend to disk (hibernate)?
[22:02] <k1l_> verrlara: if you dont want to hibernate: boot a live usb/dvd and erase the swap partition and resize the / partition
[22:02] <verrlara> Jordan_U: I haven't a clue how to do that.
[22:03] <sergiu_> :D
[22:03] <neredsenvy> MonkeyDust: Yes
[22:03] <verrlara> k1l_: Alright thank you.
[22:03] <neredsenvy> like on Windows and OS
[22:04] <verrlara> k1l_: Although that sounds like it will erase my current setup.
[22:04] <k1l_> verrlara: but like always when you touch parititons: make sure the last backup is good. else murphys law will strike back :)
[22:04] <k1l_> verrlara: after that erase the line with the swap partition in the /etc/fstab.
[22:04] <MonkeyDust> neredsenvy  it's risky, but you can use gparted, while you're in ubuntu ... do you have enough free space? ... backup first, before you start modifying partitions
[22:05] <k1l_> verrlara: its not erasing the whole setup.
[22:05] <verrlara> k1l_: There isn't room to make backups on a 11gigabyte emmc card harddrive.
[22:05] <k1l_> verrlara: make backups to a external usb or such
[22:06] <zamabe> neredsenvy: You'll need to shrink your current install to make room for windows, and since you should only shrink filesystems when they're unmounted you really should be booted into a different system (such as a live usb/cd system).
[22:06] <verrlara> k1l_: It doesn't matter. I have nothing important. Reinstalling the os is always fun xD.
[22:06]  * verrlara thanks everyone.
[22:07] <onezuff> my goal akik was to run tmux and weechat at boot and trim the rest out. got it to 34.2 MB of 64 MB Used / 29.8 MB Free running what i wanted
[22:08] <neredsenvy> zamabe: Don't have a ubuntu usb atm
[22:08] <neredsenvy> MonkeyDust: I have enough space but gparted wont allow me to shrink mounted drive
[22:08] <zamabe> neredsenvy: it doesn't necessarily have to be an ubuntu usb. As long as you can boot into a live system with e2fsprogs installed
[22:09] <neredsenvy> zamabe: I have a usb stick but it has windows 10 on it
[22:09] <neredsenvy> was created by windows media creation tool
[22:10] <neredsenvy> can that be of any help ?
[22:10] <zamabe> heh, I don't think that one will work for this
[22:10] <MonkeyDust> neredsenvy  true, you have to unmount first ... you have to stop a car engine, before you start repairing it
[22:11] <zamabe> neredsenvy: systemrescuecd can help, though it's text only so you'll need to be familiar with the e2fsprogs commands
[22:11] <zippo^> hello, I use Ubuntu MATE. Can I add extra account of Dropbox ?
[22:11] <zippo^> I cannot find: extra add
[22:12] <zamabe> neredsenvy: if you only have 1 usb stick around, you'll need to wipe windows from it to install a live ubuntu system
[22:12] <zamabe> neredsenvy: you really shouldn't try to resize things while booted to them
[22:12] <zamabe> (if you can borrow another usb stick that works great, too)
[22:13] <Jordan_U> neredsenvy: There are ways to do it with just the one USB drive you have, without removing Windows, but it would be much easier to just borrow or buy another cheap USB drive.
[22:13] <zamabe> ^
[22:14] <zamabe> Jordan_U: doesn't windows media creation claim /all/ the space, anyhow?
[22:14] <neredsenvy> zamabe: it does not
[22:14] <zamabe> oooh
[22:14] <neredsenvy> it leaves 27GB free
[22:15] <Jordan_U> zamabe: You can put an Ubuntu iso file, as a file, in your Windows partition and loop boot it via grub2. But it's not an easy thing to do.
[22:15] <zamabe> Jordan_U: neat :o
[22:16] <MonkeyDust> Jordan_U  you should create a tutorial in how to do that
[22:16] <neredsenvy> don't think windows allows to resize partitions
[22:17] <k1l_> windows got own included tools to resize windows partitions
[22:17] <zamabe> *only* windows partitions*
[22:18] <k1l_> yeah, like always windows doesnt care about the other world :)   but all ubuntu desktop isos have gparted included. so that is not an issue
[22:18] <neredsenvy> Wonder if I could use the cm to resize the ubuntu partition without damage to existing ubuntu installation
[22:20] <neredsenvy> Why does Ubuntu always make everything so complicated : ((
[22:20] <zamabe> neredsenvy: filesystems* :p
[22:20] <zamabe> this isn't an ubuntu thing
[22:21] <Bashing-om> neredsenvy: 'buntu is not Windows .. different thought processes . Now it is said in linux, if it is hard you are doing something wrong .
[22:22] <SorcerousFox> that usually seems to be the case
[22:23] <neredsenvy> Seems pretty hard not a problem on OSX or Windows : /
[22:23] <k1l_> neredsenvy: what is the exact issue?
[22:23] <neredsenvy> You are forced to have multiple USB sticks and if you don't you are fu**..
[22:24] <ngomes> how can i work for canonical as a "deb packager" ?
[22:24] <neredsenvy> k1l_: I need to resize Ubuntu partition to make space for Windows installation
[22:24] <zamabe> neredsenvy: heh, this is why planning is important
[22:24] <k1l_> neredsenvy: well, you only need one. make it a bootable ubuntu iso. done
[22:24] <Bashing-om> neredsenvy: This is not OSX nor Windows .. You need to adjust your thought process to a new way of doing things ( linux was around a long time before either - still here must be doing something right ) .
[22:24] <zamabe> k1l_: his usb stick is already being used to hold the windows installer
[22:24] <zamabe> ze needs another one
[22:25] <zamabe> Bashing-om: bashing someone over not knowing something is not helpful.
[22:25] <zamabe> oh come on how do I ping 2 other people with that statement.
[22:25] <k1l_> or erase the windows usb, make the ubuntu usb, shrink ubuntu, then make the windows usb again and install windows
[22:25] <Bashing-om> zamabe: Correct .. point taken .
[22:26] <neredsenvy> Wish I had a second usb stick
[22:26] <neredsenvy> can't get one tho : /
[22:27] <ngomes> how can i work for canonical as a "deb packager" ?
[22:27] <EriC^^> !motu | ngomes
[22:27] <EriC^^> i dont think it's paid though if that's what you meant by work
[22:27] <k1l_> ngomes: ask the packaging team if they have some jobs. but most people need to start as MOTU
[22:28] <Bashing-om> ngomes: A place to crack that door open : https://ldd.tbe.taleo.net/ldd03/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&rid=1072 .
[22:28] <zamabe> EriC^^: oi, since you were the first person to reply when I asked about grub2 I suppose I'll bother you. :p Any idea on how to make grub2-mkconfig let me use write_dword?
[22:29] <EriC^^> zamabe: what's write_dword?
[22:29] <zamabe> a function grub makes available for writing to memory
[22:29] <ngomes> k1l_, where is the packaging team ? #ubuntu-motu ?
[22:29] <EriC^^> zamabe: no idea
[22:30] <zamabe> oh well
[22:30] <k1l_> ngomes: yes
[22:30] <EriC^^> try #grub maybe?
[22:30] <ngomes> Bashing-om, i'm not a web developer , i know few about css
[22:30] <zamabe> EriC^^: eh, I may just be dumb. Going to try something else real quick
[22:31] <zamabe> but, after this, that :D
[22:31] <EriC^^> zamabe: what are you trying to do anyways?
[22:31]  * zamabe scrolls up some to fetch
[22:31] <zamabe> > I need to use grub2's write_dword to overcome a BIOS whitelist for my wifi card. Adding it manually and rebooting works, but adding a 1 liner to /etc/grub.d/ with a write_dword command makes grub2-mkconfig spit out "write_dword: not found", so when apt does another upgrade, it'll wipe out the write_dword
[22:32] <EriC^^> zamabe: you can use /boot/grub/custom.cfg
[22:32] <EriC^^> to make a permanent menuentry
[22:32] <zamabe> EriC^^: doesn't work because I can't figure out how to access write_dword
[22:33] <Jordan_U> zamabe: You should almost never edit anything in /etc/grub.d/, so be sure to completely revert any changes you've made there. As EriC^^ says, you should add this line to /boot/grub/custom.cfg .
[22:33] <zamabe> yep I'm dumb, I should be printing stuff >_>
[22:33] <EriC^^> isn't it the same as adding it manually zamabe ? i think it just copies whatever's there when grub actually boots, it's empty before so in grub.cfg
[22:33] <EriC^^> iirc
[22:34] <zamabe> EriC^^: the thing I was trying to do was wrong! :D
[22:34] <zamabe> will check custom.cfg
[22:34] <Jordan_U> zamabe: That's part of the problem, yes, but the more imporant thing is that you shouldn't be modifying anything in /etc/grub.d/ anyway.
[22:34] <zamabe> /etc/grub does not exist
[22:34] <EriC^^> /boot/grub/custom.cfg
[22:34] <zamabe> Jordan_U: I added, not modified.
[22:34] <EriC^^> it doesn't exist by default
[22:34] <zamabe> ah
[22:34] <Jordan_U> zamabe: Create /boot/grub/custom.cfg if it doesn't already exist.
[22:36] <zamabe> Jordan_U: doesn't get read.
[22:37] <EriC^^> zamabe: what doesn't? it doesn't show up in grub.cfg it's pulled in when grub boots
[22:37] <EriC^^> like ~/.profile sources .bashrc i guess
[22:37] <zamabe> oh, bleh, /boot
[22:37]  * zamabe facepalms some
[22:37]  * zamabe moves stuff from /etc
[22:40] <zamabe> EriC^^: :D Thank you
[22:40] <zamabe> custom.cfg works
[22:40] <EriC^^> no problem
[22:41] <zamabe> Is custom.cfg a set path or is anything under /boot/grub/*.cfg read?
[22:41] <anabain> what is the correct way to get rid of baloo in kubuntu 15.10?
[22:41] <EriC^^> zamabe: it's pulled in at the end of grub.cfg
[22:41] <zamabe> ah
[22:42] <zamabe> huh, so it is. Thanks :)
[22:43] <myself__> Thanks Linux! all 12 of my Camera Drones are in sync finally with Open-source Linux Remote control all 12 drones at once perfect flying ,i programmed different flight patterns and tactical defense maneuvers ...all ready for this years Annual Bohemian Grove Protest /Cookout
[22:44] <EriC^^> zamabe: no problem  :)
[22:44] <myself__> Drone The Grove 2016
[22:44] <Bashing-om> anabain: How did you install baloo ?
[22:45] <Bashing-om> !indo baloo wily | anabain
[22:45] <Bashing-om> !info baloo wily | anabain
[22:46] <anabain> thanks, Bashing-om, I wanted to disable it, and I think I've found the solution
[22:46] <neredsenvy> I wish we had more OS options to pick from
[22:47] <zamabe> neredsenvy: distrowatch lists around 100+
[22:47] <Bashing-om> anabain: Depending on the desired end-result one can remove OR purge the app .
[22:47] <zamabe> feel free to choose any?
[22:48] <anabain> Bashing-om, I just wanted to disable it, thanks anyway
[22:49] <Bashing-om> anabain: :)
[22:53] <cronjeremy> exit
[22:53] <zamabe> neredsenvy: 277 to be more precise
[22:57] <user_shravan> How can I Install VLC player on my Ubuntu box on home without internet, I can download file from my office
[22:58] <nicomachus> user_shravan: use a USB
[22:59] <user_shravan> from where should I download this VLC player for offline install
[22:59] <Bashing-om> user_shravan: If you need to download Ubuntu packages using another machine or OS, check the desired packages in Synaptic and select File > Generate package download script. See also APTonCD .
[23:00] <ngomes> Bashing-om, does it cover the dependencies ?
[23:00] <Bashing-om> ngomes: Yeah .. the package manager has control .
[23:01] <ngomes> Bashing-om, i mean , generating the script for download the packages , for other machine instalation
[23:01] <ngomes> including it in the script
[23:14] <SHravan> hi
[23:16] <lotuspsychje> SHravan: welcome, what can we do for you?
[23:17] <eikon81g> does anyone have a good recommendation on a calendar app that works well with google accounts?
[23:18] <eikon81g> I saw some stuff on evolution.. the page I was looking at said it had some bugs right now.
[23:18] <k1l_> eikon81g: thunderbird works.
[23:19] <eikon81g> Ok, I will look at that, I haven't used a mail client in quite sometime.. thanks k1l_
[23:22]  * eelstrebor really hates it when some update crashes his mail server
[23:23] <anabain> why this does not work? ssh root@rotpos kill $(ps aux | grep '[d]olphin' | awk '{print $2}')
[23:23] <anabain> (I've enable root login, the problem is the kill command)
[23:23] <anabain> enabled
[23:25] <geirha> anabain: the ps aux | grep stuff is run locally
[23:25] <anabain> geirha, and what has to be done to get it run remotely?
[23:26] <geirha> ssh root@rotpos pkill dolphin
[23:27] <anabain> ok, thanks
[23:35] <brandnewbian> Anyone know a good util for pinging a list of hosts (or a crafty CLI)? Basically a GUI for a list of servers bandwidth health?
[23:36] <zamabe> nmap has a few GUIs
[23:36] <zamabe> zenmap being the official
[23:38] <groats_> Hola, I'm trying to svn update as www-data
[23:38] <groats_> Is this possible?
[23:40] <brandnewbian> zamabe: ya im not looking to map ports or anyything. just literally do a ping test on a list of servers. trying to find best exit point from my VPN provider...
[23:41] <zamabe> brandnewbian: good thing nmap literally has a ping scan option :)
[23:43] <zamabe> though you may just want to do: for ip in <ip> <ip> <ip>; do ping $ip
[23:43] <brandnewbian> >zamabe can I feed it a list of hosts? The GUI's always been wonky
[23:43] <csmule> I keep trying ot set /etc/sercurity/limits.conf to allow unlimited
[23:43] <csmule> *             hard    nofile          unlimited
[23:43] <csmule> *             soft    nofile          unlimited
[23:43] <csmule> But I run ulimit -n and it still shows 1024
[23:44] <zamabe> brandnewbian: yeah, just put commas in. ip1,ip2,ip3,ip4
[23:45] <b1rdd0g> I have installed a guest CentOS 7 KVM under Ubuntu 14.04 host. It does not appear that the VM has any network configured. Is this an appropriate channel to discuss howto get my CentOS KVM configured to connect to the Internet via my Ubuntu host?
[23:53] <tgm4883> b1rdd0g: probably not. It's likely a config issue in centos 7. We'd be able to support the internet connection up to the VM hardware, but at that point it would be up to CentOS to figure it out
[23:53] <tgm4883> b1rdd0g: you'd be able to verify by booting a ubuntu ISO in there and seeing if it gets an IP address
[23:54] <tgm4883> b1rdd0g: however, depending on how familiar with centos you are, the NIC probably just isn't set to be enabled at boot