[12:02] <ebischoff> yeah, mac os x can do that too (have a video instead of a static boot picture)
[12:02] <Dr_Willis> yea - Hulu Desktop remerebed where the movie crashed.
[12:02] <chrisTemp> Hello everybody. What should I do at this point? http://imagebin.ca/img/9roq5Eh.png
[12:03] <Dr_Willis> what is your exact video card chrisTemp ?
[12:03] <chrisTemp> Dr_Willis, Nvidia something. :P
[12:04] <Crashbit> I have installed blogtk using aptitude install blogtk, and when I trying to execute it, seems an error message
[12:04] <Dr_Willis> try rebooting and see if it kicks it in the head.. it could be that tool is lying also.
[12:04] <Crashbit> ImportError: No module named gtkhtml2
[12:04] <Dr_Willis> try running nvidia-settings to see if it likes it.
[12:04] <ebischoff> christemp : suggest gnome developpers to use "OK" and "Apply" buttons in their UI ? ;-)
[12:04] <chrisTemp> Dr_Willis, It is fresh, from reboot.
[12:04] <Dr_Willis> chrisTemp:  you recently updated/upgraded?
[12:05] <Dr_Willis> chrisTemp:  ive had oddities where it would say nvidia was in low res mode.. and asked me questions.. theat all were invalid since it was actually workng :)
[12:05] <chrisTemp> Dr_Willis, Clean installation. Oh wait. it's working now. Meh. I just restarted the jockey-gtk agian.
[12:05] <Dr_Willis> chrisTemp:  :)
[12:05] <Dr_Willis> magic
[12:05] <chrisTemp> Why must they continue to tease us automagically? :(
[12:07] <chrisTemp> I wonder if the community will make a last minute decision to roll back to RIGHT side for LTS?
[12:07] <Dr_Willis> Community dosent decide... :)
[12:07] <chrisTemp> The Canonical devs. :P
[12:07] <Dr_Willis> So buttons are going to be on the left side.
[12:08] <Dr_Willis> we are allready basically locked in.
[12:08] <chrisTemp> I understand that changes are always good and we all should learn to embrace it... but meh, this is not one of them. :P
[12:08] <erghezi> plymouth dont work for me
[12:09] <Dr_Willis> I imagine it will be  BIG deal for now.. and will get changed back.. or ignored/eliminated  when gnome3 gets here
[12:09] <Dr_Willis> at least now they got it where its a theme changeable setting.. so ya pick a new theme.. they bottons move back
[12:10] <chrisTemp> Gotta reboot. Hopefully it's working correctly this time.
[12:13] <aeon17x> You'll get used to it, the left side buttons
[12:14] <Dr_Willis> actually i wont.. I moved them back to the right
[12:14] <ebischoff> rebooting in the hope to blacklist framebuffer properly
[12:14] <Dr_Willis> I imagine its going to be a #1 complaint on release.
[12:16] <hardran3> I always had my buttons on left. Now every time I change themes they switch. Is there a way to stop that?
[12:16] <Dr_Willis> Im not sure how theymoved that setting into the themes. I Think theres a script in the themes that gets ran now to change the gconf settings
[12:16] <hardran3> yuck
[12:17] <Dr_Willis> In theory you could make such a script to set them how you want at boot time/login  - or some how lock the gconf settings
[12:17] <hardran3> lock gconf settings. good idea
[12:17] <red2kic> Dr_Willis: The Nvidia card works. :3
[12:17] <Dr_Willis> Ive noticed in the netbook desktop - a lot of gconf stuff is locked so you have to use the system settings.
[12:19] <Galvatron> Hi
[12:19] <aeon17x> Would be funny if Dell advertised its Ubuntu lineup as a Mac alternative
[12:21] <Galvatron> I just updated to Lucid from Kubuntu 9.10 running on Radeon 9200SE and I can't disable KMS without crashing Plasma (I have artifact-like things instead of wallpaper and everything's even more laggy).
[12:24] <Dr_Willis> aeon17x:  wait for all the  arm/linux/whatever based  Pad-alternatives  to be hitting the market soon :)
[12:25] <gcala> Hi, has anyone else tested playmouth with ati catalyst? The boot splash is in low-res and low color depth (while is fine with opensource ati driver). Is it possible to fix it through xorg.conf or an other config file? Thanks. P.S. I'm using kubuntu lucid.
[12:30] <marienz> gcala: the open driver supports kms, and the framebuffer provided by that is used by plymouth during boot
[12:31] <marienz> gcala: to get plymouth in high res with catalyst you'd have to use the atifb (assuming I remember the name right) kernel driver, and I have no idea if that combination works
[12:32] <marienz> err, radeonfb apparently
[12:32] <marienz> gcala: "radeonfb" is blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-framebuffer.conf.
[12:33] <messi92> Can you help me please  to install the Reconstructor to Ubuntu ? it is not synaptic or i can not get it with sudo apt-get install reconstructor . "could not find package reconstructor " ...
[12:34] <Dr_Willis> i dont even knwow what the tool 'reconstructor' is
[12:34] <messi92> http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=623
[12:35] <Dr_Willis> so your problem with it is what? it dosent come with any docs? or is there a specific issue?
[12:35] <gcala> marienz: so I should substitute in xorg.conf fglrx with radeonfb and comment radeonfb in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-framebuffer.conf, right?
[12:35] <messi92> is a backup custom iso live cd program. like remastersys. remastersys doen not working with ubuntu 10 now... :(
[12:35] <gcala> marienz: and give it a try...
[12:36] <red2kic> Could somebody test Dust theme? (With right-side).  Are you missing out on "Close" feature?
[12:36] <joaopinto> messi92, I think reconstructor is no longer maintained, which means it will not work on lucid
[12:36] <marienz> gcala: err, no.
[12:36] <marienz> gcala: radeonfb is not an Xorg driver.  I have no idea how well radeonfb and catalyst get along currently on your hardware.
[12:37] <Dr_Willis> messi92:  somthigbn is weird with that url/guide - that proram is not in karmic, or lucid.  perhaps install it from source
[12:37] <gcala> marienz: ah, ok. Thanks
[12:39] <messi92> joaopinto: which tools ? i could not find another backup tool which can make a live cd and installable cd.
[12:39] <Dr_Willis> https://www.reconstructor.org/wiki/reconstructor/
[12:39] <messi92> (like remastersys or reconstructor)
[12:39] <joaopinto> well, usually a CD does not have the capacity for a fullbackup
[12:40] <joaopinto> so you do backups to a differente media and use a regular livecd for recovery
[12:40] <red2kic> Hello Testers: Could somebody test Dust theme? (With right-side for min,max,close).  I'm missing out on "Close" feature? :)
[12:40] <Dr_Willis> I recall some other make your own live cd tools.. but i never use them
[12:40] <messi92>  joaopinto: it can be a dvd too :) it is not probelm.. just i want a full backup...
[12:41] <Dr_Willis> https://build.reconstructor.org/#  wants a valid email address... too bad for them
[12:41] <joaopinto> messi92, then just learn to use a dvd burning tool :)
[12:43] <messi92> Dr_Willis: i have to use it. my system is edited for 6 weeks. i am not able to do them again (im not a good user) .
[12:43] <messi92>  joaopinto: i tell you that i can use many media devices like dvd :)
[12:43] <messi92> remastersys was good but i dont know why it doen not working on lucid.
[12:43] <aeon17x> Dr_Willis: then you sync music and stuff from your ubuntu desk/laptop... goodbye itunes! :)
[12:43] <joaopinto> probably there isn't much people with interest on these tools lately
[12:44] <ebischoff> Dr_Willis: blacklisting the fb kernel modules did not help
[12:44] <Dr_Willis> ebischoff:  bummer. Not tried it on my machine yet.,
[12:44] <ebischoff> Dr_Willis: do you get tjhe same problem with scrambled consoles ?
[12:45] <Dr_Willis> https://build.reconstructor.org/   dosent make a live  cd from your CURRENT install.. it can make its own live cd using its wizard.. from what im seeing
[12:45] <Dr_Willis> ebischoff:  i dont have the issue here.
[12:46] <messi92>  Dr_Willis:  ok. i understand. but please tell me if there is a chance to save all the drive as iso.
[12:46] <Dr_Willis> messi92:  im not sure what youa re trying to do exactly.  Even a live-cd-maker tool wouldent save yoru data files and stuff..
[12:46] <ebischoff> Dr_Willis: this issue is no real problem for me. I can always ssh from another computer if my X server dies. But I think that other future Lucid users could run into the same problem... with bigger consequences
[12:46] <Dr_Willis> messi92:  if you want to backup your system then use a backup tool
[12:46] <joaopinto> messi92, you can use mkisofs to create an iso, but it will not be bootable
[12:47] <messi92> joaopinto: what yu mean with "maybe not will be bootable" ?
[12:47] <messi92> how it will work ?
[12:47] <joaopinto> just any regular iso with contents
[12:47] <joaopinto> it contains your data
[12:47] <joaopinto> just as
[12:48] <joaopinto> you can restore from it after installing your system with a regular livecd
[12:49] <messi92> Dr_Willis: where is the backup tool ?
[12:49] <Dr_Willis> !backup
[12:49] <Dr_Willis> theres any of a dozen+ to choose from. It depends on how/what you want to backup
[12:49] <ebischoff> Dr_Willis: I also noticed I have the DRM package from nouveau.. while I'm not using it for the X server. Since plymouth depends on it, I can't remove it.
[12:49] <messi92>  Dr_Willis: i want o backup all my "/" drive (directory)
[12:50] <messi92> which software can make this ?
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> messi92:   You cam make image backups of a whole hard drive/filesystem
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> mondo/mindi can do that.. proberly others as well
[12:50] <messi92> ok i will try them now .... thank you!
[12:51] <ebischoff> messi : I simply do that on a DVD with dvd+rw-tools. Please notice that the 4.7 Gb of a DVD might not be enough for all your data
[12:51] <Dr_Willis> The remastersys forums wont even let you SEARCH unless you are a regiestered member.. so  i dont know of they have issues with 10.04 or not
[12:51] <Dr_Willis> a Full backup here - of my whole system to disl would take about 40 DVD's :)
[12:52] <messi92> ebischoff: it is enouhg. i try it with remastersys (but the iso file was a problem , so im trying another software)
[12:52] <ebischoff> Dr_Willis: yeah, as a matter of fact I have all my config files under SVN control, and it's only that that I backup ;-). So I'm cheating
[12:52] <messi92> ebischoff: also if it will not enouhg i will delete some of my softwares.. dont think about it for me :)
[12:52] <Dr_Willis> I got 8gb of wallpaper :)
[12:53] <messi92> dr willis send me them with a external hdd :D
[12:53] <Dr_Willis> I got them on floppy...
[12:53] <Dr_Willis> ;P
[12:53] <messi92> i dont have my datas(i mean not softwares, os ...) on my "/" directory...
[12:54] <Dr_Willis> You could just backup a listing of what you have instgalled.. so you can 'reinstall' it  with a similer command.
[12:54] <Dr_Willis> !clone
[12:55] <JoshuaL> awesome!
[12:55] <ebischoff> messi92:  yes, you can exclude mounted filesystems when you back up. cdrecord and/or dvd+rw-tools can be your friend to back up only a bare / filesystem if you have put all applicative stuff somewhere else
[12:56] <messi92>  ebischoff: sorry. my english is bad. can you tell it to me again ?
[13:03] <carlm> Hi, I managed to accidentially remove my Messaging menu (the little envelope) from my notification area today, and I can't find how to get it back! I only wanted to remove the bluetooth icon but it also removed the battery, sound and messaging menus. I've managed to get the battery indicator back, but sound and messaging are gone.. Any ideas?
[13:04] <Dr_Willis> the 2 are built in.. together
[13:04] <Dr_Willis> run the volume tool to get just a speaker
[13:04] <Dr_Willis> or reset the panels back to defaults
[13:04] <Dr_Willis> !resetpanel
[13:05] <Dr_Willis> google for 'remove social features 10.04' for some guides on tweaking it further.  webupd8.org  and OMBubuntu have some guides on the topic.
[13:05] <Dr_Willis> bye all
[13:07] <AceKing> I upgraded to Lucid on my PC yesterday. I switched the minimize, maximize, and shutdown buttons to the right and when I started up today I don't have minimize, maximize and shutdown. Anyway to get them back?
[13:08] <fabio333> wait
[13:09] <fabio333> gconf-editor | apps -> metacity -> general -> button-layout??
[13:10] <AceKing> fabio333, was that meant for me?
[13:12] <AceKing> Actually, I think something didn't load right. I can't even grab and move a window. I'm going to restart and see if they work
[13:16] <gcala> marienz: hi, just to say that have tried adding video=radeonfb in kernel line at grub menu but with no success.
[13:19] <marienz> well, yes
[13:19] <marienz> gcala: you probably do have to unblacklist the module. Just make sure you have a way to undo that (livecd) in case it fails spectacularly.
[13:20] <marienz> gcala: and have you actually tried the open drivers and decided they weren't working well enough? :)
[13:20] <CosmiChaos> Will we see the MOTUs upgrading nvidia-current to nvidia 5.6. quickly soon?
[13:20] <marienz> I think some people are still installing catalyst just from force of habit, even though the open drivers have improved, and are improving further faster than catalyst is.
[13:21] <CosmiChaos> Will we see the MOTUs upgrading nvidia-current to nvidia 195.36.24 quickly soon?
[13:21] <squiddy> USB not working with vbox in lucid. any workaround?
[13:25] <SandGorgon> squiddy, i hope ur using the nonfree virtualbox version.. not the ose
[13:26] <gcala> marienz: tried even unblacklist the module; the opensource ati driver in lucid is very very good (in comparison with karmic): native resolution at boot, smooth composition and nice even with some games, but with others it lacks fps and features; anyway it is very promising
[13:29] <squiddy> SandGorgon: yes, i'm using the non-OSE vbox
[13:29] <marienz> gcala: check if it's actually getting loaded (dmesg is probably of use here)
[13:30]  * marienz isn't of much use here since he avoids catalyst
[13:30] <marienz> still, I'm pretty sure that if you want catalyst and graphical plymouth boot simultaneously radeonfb is what you need to get working
[13:32] <red2kic> It is not possible to avoid plymouth?
[13:32] <squiddy> also, my vga is radeon 3200HD. before the driver is installed the progress bar (during booting) display is normal, but after is installed the driver the progress bar display become larger
[13:33] <squiddy> SandGorgon: i downloaded the vbox from virtualbox.org
[13:34] <red2kic> squiddy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox/USB
[13:34] <red2kic> squiddy: See "For Lucid"
[13:35] <gcala> marienz: in dmesg radeonfb compares only two times in lines with the whole kernel command line http://pastebin.com/3TaAmDmj
[13:36] <joaopinto> red2kic, no, plymouth is now a requirement
[13:37] <messi92> im reading this : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi      it writes that we have to burn each iso files onto a cd. after ubuntu will crashed, will i able to install it again from those CDs all my "/" directory ?
[13:37] <red2kic> joaopinto: I see. There are plymouth-theme-* -- If I don't use any theme, I get repeated lines during the cryptsetup prompt. Would you know how to fix that or is this related to grub2 options?
[13:38] <squiddy> red2kic: let me see it first, thanks
[13:38] <joaopinto> red2kic, if you mean you removed all the themes ?
[13:39] <red2kic> joaopinto: Yes.
[13:40] <joaopinto> hum, that pretty much explains the problem :P
[13:41] <red2kic> joaopinto: I don't think themes should be required. :(
[13:42] <joaopinto> red2kic, I think that even you want a text mode a specic theme is required
[13:42] <joaopinto> but I didn't played with those yet
[13:42] <red2kic> joaopinto: I'll try "plymouth-theme-text" -- I suppose.
[13:42] <CosmiChaos_>  Will we see the MOTUs upgrading nvidia-current to nvidia 5.6. quickly soon?
[13:42] <joaopinto> right
[13:42] <red2kic> If that is what I'm looking for. :)
[13:42] <joaopinto> red2kic, but does it render the system unbootable, removing the themes ?
[13:42] <GibbaTheHutt> hiya, just trying the kubuntu livecd, is there erm any trick for getting wireless working. I set my wireless conn (using wep, not ideal but needs to be that) with the correct ssid and key, but sits there doing nothing
[13:43] <yofel> CosmiChaos_: 5.6?
[13:43] <red2kic> joaopinto: No. You just get scrolling text. I have two separate encrypted hard drives, one for / and /home.
[13:44] <joaopinto> ah ok
[13:44] <red2kic> joaopinto: And it only scroll when you're typing in the passphrase.
[13:44] <yofel> CosmiChaos_: the nvidia page gives 195.36.15 as the latest linux driver
[13:45] <barberan> Why does not the VMware works with proper screen resolution on my toshiba p300 laptop? In other words, the Ubuntu 10.04 runs under VMware with 640*480, and I can not change it in any way I've tried.
[13:45] <bjsnider> yofel, they just released a new driver that supports the fermi/tesla cards
[13:45] <yofel> GibbaTheHutt: if the ssid is hidden then that's a known bug I think
[13:45] <joaopinto> barberan, are you running Ubuntu as a vmware guest ?
[13:46] <barberan> yes
[13:46] <GibbaTheHutt> yofel, thanks, yes it is hidden, do you know if there is a workaround, or a bug page for it ?
[13:46] <yofel> bjsnider: ah, do you know where I can find the release notes?
[13:46] <barberan> joaopinto: Under win-7
[13:46] <bjsnider> yofel, http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=150325
[13:46] <barberan> joaopinto: Also, I tried VirtualPC with the same scr-resol trouble
[13:47] <joaopinto> I only have experience with virtualbox
[13:47] <yofel> bjsnider: thanks
[13:47] <Jake2|cfl> Is there any way to make the "edge" grabber less sensitive.  It has to be so right, it is hard to grab.  A microinch off, and no-go
[13:47] <GibbaTheHutt> yofel, ah seen reference to the bug, thanks
[13:47] <joaopinto> for vbox you have a driver which properly integrates with the VM
[13:47] <guntbert> barberan: did you install the vmware tools?
[13:48] <gcala> how add radeonfb to initrd?
[13:48] <barberan> joaopinto: Where should I choose the guest OS( Ubuntu 10.04 in my case)s scr resolution? In the guest OS, or I should setup the program vmware
[13:48] <barberan> guntbert: I did not
[13:48] <guntbert> barberan: then you cannot get a different resolution - you will have to do that
[13:49] <guntbert> barberan: would be the same for virtual box as well (there they are called guest additions)
[13:50] <aaa__> i am running 10.04 and installed the daily drm-next kernel from the kernel ppa, and now the system wont work
[13:50] <barberan> guntbert: as far as I remember, I could not install the TOOLS, in some reasons, well, thank you, I am going to try install it again
[13:50] <aaa__> and i cant remove it with apt-get, cuz it refuses to open/lock the file
[13:50] <CosmiChaos_> yofel the latest driver is always accessible through ftp, watch it
[13:51] <CosmiChaos_> yofel, i meant 195.36.24 i repeated it
[13:51] <guntbert> barberan: Good luck :-)  - ah and you know that you have to install them into the guest (and not into the host)
[13:51] <yofel> CosmiChaos_: I usually just use what's in the repos, unless I find a good reason not to
[13:51] <CosmiChaos_> yofel, you can watch the topic of #nvidia too
[13:52] <CosmiChaos_> yofel, you can watch the release notes on nvnews, it notes fixing ABI for XServer 1.8 and lucid Xserver is 1.8
[13:52] <CosmiChaos_> yofel, actual nvidia-current is broken
[13:52] <bjsnider> CosmiChaos, no it is not
[13:52] <yofel> CosmiChaos_: errr... lucid xserver is 1.7.6
[13:52] <barberan> guntbert: so, if I run win-7+vm ware, and I am playing Ubuntu as a guest, I shall install tool in the ubuntu? Can I be sure, that ubuntu 10.04 has this tools compatable with win-7+vmware ?
[13:52] <CosmiChaos_> err what?
[13:53] <yofel> !info xserver-xorg-core | CosmiChaos_
[13:53] <aaa__> i installed the daily drm-next kernel from kernel ppa, and now system wont work ,and i cant remove it apt-get, cuz it say E: Could not open lock file /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open
[13:53] <CosmiChaos_> seems i have a third party 1.8 :)
[13:54] <CosmiChaos> 2:1.8.0+git20100422+server-1.8-branch.5455df65-0ubuntu0sarvatt3
[13:54] <bjsnider> could be from xorg-edgers ppa
[13:54] <guntbert> barberan: the vmware tools have nothing to do with the host - I cannot guarantee that they will work on a beta version - vmware will say that is not supported yet :-)
[13:54] <yofel> CosmiChaos_: that's xorg-edgers :P
[13:54] <CosmiChaos> bjsnider, ooooh ok im completely silent xD
[13:54] <CosmiChaos> sry sry sry
[13:55] <CosmiChaos> but anyohow nvidia 195.36.24 supprts latest cards to + xserver 1.8
[13:56] <barberan> guntvert: I should try, thank very much for such a good explanation)
[13:56] <CosmiChaos> im currently running the 195.36.15 with IgnoreABI true and it runs stable
[13:56] <CosmiChaos> didnt even noticed that
[13:56] <CosmiChaos> oops
[13:56] <aaa__> if i run from live cd, can i install/update/remove packages from the install on the hard disk?
[13:57] <yofel> aaa__: after you chroot to the install yes
[13:57] <aaa__> how do i do that_
[13:58] <aaa__> think i found a forum thread
[13:58] <yofel> aaa__: follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Recover%20Grub%202%20via%20LiveCD until the 'chroot' command
[13:58] <aaa__> ah thanks
[13:59] <aaa__> but my livecd is karmic, my install is lucid, is this a problem_
[13:59] <yofel> aaa__: unless the cd is 32bit and the installation 64bit no
[13:59] <vega> still no way of installing nvidia drivers from www.nvidia.com ?
[14:00] <bjsnider> vega, not unless yo like the idea of breaking your system
[14:00] <aaa__> install is 64-bit, livecd is 64-bit, but livecd is karmic, install is lucid, i dont want upgrade packages on lucid to old karmic stuff
[14:00] <vega> bjsnider: well.. installing them through "official" means also breaks my system, so..
[14:01] <yofel> aaa__: no, and you won't be able to access the cd from the chroot anyway
[14:01] <yofel> vega: how that?
[14:01] <bjsnider> vega, there aren't any bugs in nvidia-current at the present time
[14:02] <vega> yofel: bjsnider: installing through gnome menus results in boot to black screen after kernel messages and machine is completely dead, not accessible through network
[14:02] <vega> complete halt
[14:02] <vega> in 9.10 nvidia drivers worked fine with this hardware
[14:02] <bjsnider> what hardware?
[14:02] <vega> 8400gs
[14:02] <vega> integrated
[14:03] <vega> (machine also has gt200 pci-e, but integrated is primary in bios)
[14:03] <bjsnider> did you upgrade or clean install?
[14:03] <vega> clean install
[14:03] <vega> first thing i did was enable proprietary drivers and boot
[14:03] <bjsnider> you have 2 graphics cards?
[14:03] <vega> yes
[14:03] <bjsnider> why don't you use the gt 200?
[14:04] <bjsnider> it's better than the 8400
[14:04] <vega> not gt200, meaning gt220
[14:04] <vega> bjsnider: yes, but i'm waiting for alsa hdmi support for the gt220
[14:04] <vega> haven't had time to compile alsa yet etc. so i'm using old card for now
[14:05] <bjsnider> have you tried putting the cable into the newer card to check if that's working?
[14:05] <vega> yes, no output from there either
[14:05] <bjsnider> pull the gt out
[14:05] <vega> and judging from the network outage, it has crashed/halted ..
[14:06] <vega> i thought about removing the card, haven't done that yet..
[14:06] <bjsnider> don't think, do
[14:07] <bjsnider> i still don't understand why you don't use the gt 220
[14:07] <coz_> good day all
[14:07] <vega> bjsnider: because it's not possible to output sound through hdmi with it
[14:07] <vega> bjsnider: not without kludgeing like this: http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=HOW-TO_set_up_HDMI_audio_on_nVidia_GeForce_G210,_GT220,_or_GT240
[14:07] <bjsnider> and it isn't possible to do that from the 8400 either
[14:08] <vega> bjsnider: yes it is because it has spdif in
[14:08] <vega> gt220 doesn't so it needs driver support
[14:08] <bjsnider> hdmi audio is broken in all nvidia blobs after the 185
[14:09] <vega> i have a cable from motherboard spdif out to 8400gs directly, so that works fine
[14:09] <bjsnider> which nvidia driver were you using in karmic?
[14:09] <vega> latest from www.nvidia.com
[14:09] <Gokul> Hi
[14:10] <Gokul> I don't get an option to install 1004 RC
[14:10] <Gokul> if i run "update-manager -d"
[14:10] <Gokul> how do i get this option ?
[14:10] <yofel> Gokul: what are you running right now?
[14:10] <Gokul> karmic koala
[14:11] <IdleOne> Gokul: check in Software Sources under the Updates tab and make sure you have all releases selected at the bottom right
[14:11] <IdleOne> or something to the effect of All releases
[14:12] <IdleOne> effect or affect?
[14:12] <IdleOne> anyway you know what i mean I hope
[14:13] <bjsnider> vega, must some sort of passthrough situation with no driver involvement. there's no spdif header on the gt 220?
[14:13] <sirius-n900> hello
[14:16] <sirius-n900> guys how do i get the 10.04 lts installer to dualboot install with my suse linux enterprise desktop 11  distro already installed on my laptop?
[14:16] <sirius-n900> the only option it gives me is to wipe the existing linux install
[14:17] <sirius-n900> if i click advanced it wont let me resize the partition
[14:18] <sirius-n900> anyone?
[14:22] <vega> bjsnider: no spdif headers there, some brands have but they seem quite uncommon
[14:22] <vega> mine is an asus iirc
[14:22] <bjsnider> well that's very unfortunate isn't it?
[14:23] <dewman> I have encountered a issue with grub with 10.04. When I try to boot, I get grub_puts_ not found.....Not really sure what I need to do to get around this.
[14:23] <vega> bjsnider: well kinda, yes :)
[14:24] <sirius-n900> hmmm no one ever dualbooted 2 linux distros before?
[14:27] <yofel> sirius-n900: seems like nobody's here right now, maybe ask again later when the folks from america are here
[14:27] <dewman> I am thinking probably the best way to repair the grub2 issue is to download the live cd, and then do a a rescue system...
[14:27] <sirius-n900> hmmm ok
[14:35] <joaopinto> sirius-n900, which partition type is your SLE install ?
[14:35] <sirius-n900> ext3
[14:36] <joaopinto> you can resize the partition using the partition editor from the livecd
[14:36] <joaopinto> before installing
[14:36] <sirius-n900> two ext3s and 1 swap, 8 want to shrink the largest one which is /home
[14:36] <sirius-n900> 8 = I
[14:36] <joaopinto> you can share the swap
[14:37] <sirius-n900> is sharing swap a bad idea?
[14:38] <sirius-n900> or does it not really matter
[14:38] <joaopinto> it doesn't matter, swap is scrapped on every reboot
[14:38] <joaopinto> unless you use suspend
[14:39] <sirius-n900> i do
[14:39] <joaopinto> well, suspend uses swap, suspending from one OS and then resuming from the other would be fatal :P
[14:39] <sirius-n900> hehe
[14:40] <sirius-n900> gparted is on the livecd?
[14:40] <Crashbit> yes
[14:40] <sirius-n900> hmmm
[14:42] <bramming9x> Hi. Every time i boot into ubuntu, i have to go to applications->sound & video-> gnome alsa mixer, and then turn up volume on "speaker". is there any way i can make it do it automatically?
[14:49] <jayvee> Okay, so I'm trying to run "do-release-upgrade -d". It downloads "lucid.tar.gz" and attempts to authenticate it against "lucid.tar.gz.gpg". Unfortuantely it fails: gpg: BAD signature from "Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:49] <joaopinto> bramming9x, you should file a bug report
[14:49] <jayvee> Has Ubuntu changed their signing keys since last release or something?
[14:50] <joaopinto> jayne, I did an upgrade this morning without problems
[14:52] <Gokul> IdleOne, Hi
[14:52] <IdleOne> heya Gokul
[14:52] <Gokul> IdleOne, i ran "gksu" and then entered "update-manager -d"
[14:52] <Gokul> and it is runnning
[14:53] <scopecreep> not sure about signing but thre was an update to update-manager this morning
[14:53] <scopecreep> try updating it first
[14:53] <IdleOne> Gokul: cool.
[14:53] <jayvee> joaopinto: yeah it actually worked last night, but I had to go to bed, so I cancelled it while it was downloading the packages, when the cancel button was still enabled.
[14:54] <Gokul> IdleOne, i am no linuxpert .. but i can't wait till the date ! :-P
[14:54] <jayvee> So I think the problem is that it has updated the key in a catch-22 situation.
[14:54] <IdleOne> Gokul: I have been running 10.04 for 2+ months already :)
[14:55] <Gokul> IdleOne, are you a "developer" ? or any category similar to that ?
[14:56] <Gokul> IdleOne, does using this irc client affect the upgrade process ?  :-O
[14:56] <Gokul> IdleOne, Because it is idle showing "calculating changes" for long time
[14:57] <jayvee> Gokul: no, not a chance
[14:57] <IdleOne> Gokul: be patient and no irc won't affect the upgrade
[14:57] <Gokul> IdleOne, Could not calculate the upgrade An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade:The package 'ubuntu-desktop' is marked for removal but it is in the removal blacklist. This can be caused by: * Upgrading to a pre-release version of Ubuntu * Running the current pre-release version of Ubuntu * Unofficial software packages not provided by UbuntuIf none of this applies, then please report this bug against the 'update-manager' package an
[14:57] <Gokul> d include the files in /var/log/dist-upgrade/ in the bug report.
[14:57] <Gokul> I got this :'( ^^
[14:58] <IdleOne> did you blacklist ubuntu-desktop?
[14:58] <Gokul> IdleOne, i didn't  . even if i did that, how should i undo it ?
[14:59] <IdleOne> Gokul: first make sure karmic is updated
[14:59] <Gokul> IdleOne, it is . it is fully updated
[14:59] <IdleOne> I don't know where one would even blacklist a package
[15:00] <Gokul> jayvee, ?
[15:00] <Gokul> jayvee, are you there ? do yo know ?
[15:01] <Gokul> or should i ask this question "how to un-blacklist"  in the #ubuntu ..... ??
[15:01] <johnnyCbad> Hello, my nVidia drivers have not been preforming correctly since an update some weeks ago. On boot I get no window decoration (titlebar missing and cursor displays large X) and removing completly and reinstalling does not seem to fix it. If I click "Normal" effects in appearance dialog it says "Searching for available drivers" and the screen flickers and window decoration starts working but desktop effects a
[15:01] <johnnyCbad> e not enabled and when I reopen appearence it says "none" for desktop effects
[15:02] <johnnyCbad> Sorry about length of that, can anyone help?
[15:05] <yofel> Gokul: an upgrade should never try to remove ubuntu-desktop, maybe try it again in a few hours
[15:05] <Gokul> trying after few hours will help , but i dont understand how !!
[15:06] <Gokul> ?
[15:06] <Gokul> yofel, are you sure that i wont get the same error message?? unless i undo that , how would i get it working after few houurs ?
[15:06] <Gokul> yofel, sorry.
[15:08] <yofel> Gokul: we're getting last minute bugfixes in these days before the release so the package archive might be a bit inconsistent from time to time, and if a package (version) conflict occurs update-manager might try to remove ubuntu-desktop in an (possibly wrong) attempt to fix that
[15:08] <lucidNoWorky> so I just had a clean install of the lucid RC and when attempting to boot in for the first time i get a pretty gruesome error after the GRUB menu
[15:08] <Gokul> yofel, Ok..thanks for replying... I shall try after few hours... Thankyou.!
[15:09] <joaopinto> lucidNoWorky, what error do you get ?
[15:09] <lucidNoWorky> "invalid magic number, must load kernel first failed to load main and fallback entries, the revolution will not be televised, bwarrr"
[15:09] <lucidNoWorky> it does this for both the regular kernel option and the recovery
[15:09] <lucidNoWorky> i am not dualbooting anything
[15:09] <lucidNoWorky> and ive been running lucid since alpha 3 before this...
[15:09] <lucidNoWorky> im running the RC off a liveUSB right now
[15:10] <lucidNoWorky> flawlessly i might add
[15:11] <Gokul> IdleOne, yofel  bye. I am going to watch a movie called "Equilibrium".
[15:11] <lucidNoWorky> i should clarify that this error prevents me from going any farther
[15:11] <yofel> lucidNoWorky: do older kernel entries still work?
[15:12] <lucidNoWorky> yofel, it was a clean install, there are no older kernel entries
[15:12] <yofel> you said you were running it since alpha3?
[15:12] <lucidNoWorky> yes, and then i reinstalled it, which wiped everything out :)
[15:12] <yofel> oh
[15:13] <yofel> then at least I am clueless, never heard of that error before
[15:13] <bramming9x> Hi. i just updated my system and now my xserver is broke. i can only boot up in low graphics-mode. i have an NVidia g105m graphic card. tried restoring my old xorg.conf file but it doesnt work. Anyone have any idea what to do?
[15:14] <guntbert> lucidNoWorky: as possibly very dumb question: did you md5sum check the image?
[15:14] <guntbert> *a
[15:14] <bramming9x> oh and to clarify things. i was running 10,04 prior to the upgrade that broke my xserver :)
[15:15] <yofel> bramming9x: I got a similiar thing 2 days ago, updating again an rebooting fixed that though, haven't updated today yet
[15:16] <lucidNoWorky> guntbert, i did not, actually
[15:16] <lucidNoWorky> guntbert, i suppose that might be a good first step
[15:16] <bramming9x> yofel ah ok. i'll wait some time then. which graphic card do you use?
[15:16] <Quartz> Hello. Who uses rubyripper on ubuntu 10.04?
[15:16] <guntbert> lucidNoWorky: it might :)
[15:17] <yofel> bramming9x: 250GTS
[15:17] <bramming9x> yofel ah ok. just wondering if i should file a bug report. i have no clue on what info to gather though.
[15:18] <yofel> bramming9x: usually /var/log/Xorg.0.log and Xorg.0.log.old should say why it failed (use .old as the other one might be the failsave-x log)
[15:19] <joaopinto> bramming9x, just using ubuntu-bug xorg will collect the required files
[15:19] <Jake2|cfl> Is there any way to make the "edge" grabber less sensitive. It has to be so right, it is hard to grab. A microinch off, and no-go. 10.04RC.
[15:20] <bramming9x> yofel and joaopinto : ok thanks will try that :)
[15:21] <johnnyCbad> bramming9x: Have the same problem myself pretty much
[15:21] <Frap> i installed daily drm-next kernel from ppa, now ubuntu is messed up and work with my proprietary nvidia drivers, why?
[15:22] <Frap> wont work*
[15:22] <lucidNoWorky> guntbert, md5sum is a match
[15:22] <bramming9x> seems like we are many that had our nvidia driver screwed up by the new update today
[15:22] <Frap> what new update?
[15:22] <Frap> anyone know how to fix that? i thought it cuz i installed drm-next kernel
[15:23] <bramming9x> well i just updated my system and now i can only boot into low graphics mode. seems like theres problems with the nvidia driver or x-server
[15:23] <Frap> oh
[15:24] <guntbert> lucidNoWorky: hmm - does recovery mode work?  (you see I have no real idea what might be going on - just trying to help you to get a picture)
[15:24] <Frap> bramming9x, i see nothing about it on ubuntuforums
[15:25] <lucidNoWorky> guntbert, same error message when i select recovery mdoe
[15:25] <bramming9x> Frap too bad. but thanks for looking at forums for me :)
[15:25] <Frap> hehe
[15:25] <Frap> anyone know how to fix this nvidia thing?
[15:25] <Frap> perhaps mine is related to drm-next kernel i got from ppa
[15:26] <guntbert> lucidNoWorky: next question: how did you install (live CD or alternate.....)?
[15:27] <lucidNoWorky> guntbert, i took the default i386 iso and used unetbootin to put it on a liveusb, then installed from the desktop
[15:28] <lucidNoWorky> i suppose my next debugging step would be to rule out unetbootin and use the standard ubuntu usb creator, i just havent had trouble with unetbootin before
[15:28] <Bookman_> My DVD burner is not being recognized by Ubuntu, any ideas why?
[15:29] <BluesKaj> howdy folks
[15:29] <Frap> hi
[15:30] <guntbert> lucidNoWorky: please (if possible) reboot from that usb again and select "check the CD" in the menu.  CAUTION  you will most likely get a blank screen or so - just switch to another VT to see the output (alt+left)
[15:36] <Bookman_> Actually it sees the drive, just no media, no matter what I throw at it.
[15:37] <Pirate_Hunter> I haven't been keeping track of what has been happening with lucid but how stable is it when using it as a web server or with a distributed file system?
[15:38] <Pirate_Hunter> I know it has been a while since lucid been released so I suspect their has been major improvements
[15:38] <Frap> its RC so should be pretty stable, i hope
[15:41] <sveinse> What controls which monitor gets the gnome menus and the other panels? I'm running nvidia driver with twinview
[15:42] <ZykoticK9> sveinse, with twinview you can "move" the gnome panel to the monitor you want
[15:44] <Pirate_Hunter> no one here has tried runing lucid as a productive server that can give me their opinion on its stability?
[15:44] <JoshuaL> lucid is still in testing stages
[15:44] <JoshuaL> so noone runs it as a production server
[15:44] <JoshuaL> once the stable release is out you should be able to use it
[15:44] <SwedeMike> Pirate_Hunter: it all depends on what you do, for some things it'll be fine, for some things it wont be
[15:44] <JoshuaL> as production server that is
[15:45] <sveinse> ZykoticK9: How? Because if I open nvidia-settings and disable one monitor, the panels move to the other. Now if I enable both monitors again, the panel stays on the first monitor. This way I can control which monitor gets the panels
[15:45] <sveinse> After one reboot, and I need to reconfigure the panel placements all over
[15:45] <ZykoticK9> sveinse, don't have a solution for that one - best of luck
[15:46] <sveinse> Something in gnome decides which monitor to embed to anyways
[15:46] <switchgirl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/421714/ gwibber isn't working properly yet is authed ok
[15:46] <Jake2|cfl> Is there any way to make the window "edge" grabber less sensitive. It has to be so right, it is hard to grab. A microinch off, and no-go. LucidRC.
[15:48] <Pirate_Hunter> In other words I would still have to wait two months for the final release which is not desirable or I could take a shot at using it now and fix the problems as they arise
[15:48] <Jake2|cfl> 10.04 is to be released on the 29th
[15:48] <coz_> Jake2|cfl,  yeah that has been a big problem forever with many themes... this is why emerald was a great help because you could easily increase the window edge
[15:49] <bramming9x> cant wait for the release :D
[15:49] <Jake2|cfl> coz_: is emerald in lucid?
[15:49] <coz_> Jake2|cfl,  you may be able to edit the gtkrc file for that theme to increase  the pixels on the edges
[15:50] <coz_> Jake2|cfl,   I dont think so guy... support has stopped for emerald and we havent come up with an alternative yet  although it has been discussed once
[15:50] <coz_> Jake2|cfl,  I doubt emerald will work in lucid
[15:51] <Pirate_Hunter> Jake2|cfl: 29th yet as I check the site the current release is alpha 2
[15:51] <Jake2|cfl> cozziemoto: where does one input enhancement requests as opposed to bug reports?
[15:51] <coz_> Jake2|cfl,  I dont believe it is even in the repositories now
[15:51] <slide23_> How do I install sun java in lucid? It doesn't appear to be available in the universe anymore
[15:51] <Jake2|cfl> coz: not cozzie
[15:51] <ZykoticK9> slide23_, add the partner repo
[15:51] <sveinse> Jake2|cfl: You are talking about resizing and such? I find using Alt + Middle mouse extremely useful for resizing
[15:51] <coz_> slide23_,   open synaptic   hit  Settings and go to repositories
[15:52] <coz_> slide23_,  go under the "Other software" tab and tick any boxes there
[15:52] <Jake2|cfl> sveinse: I am usually trying to make windows wider or narrower
[15:53] <Pirate_Hunter> can someone provide me the link for the server install of lucid as the current link found on the ubuntu site is broken and I don't need the uec/ce2 version
[15:53] <sveinse> Jake2|cfl: Well, I use Alt+Middle mouse for that as well. The nice thing about it is that you dont have to hit the exact pixel to resize
[15:53] <slide23_> thanks guys
[15:54] <slide23_> doesnt help on a laptop
[15:54] <slide23_> heh
[15:54] <ZykoticK9> Jake2|cfl, emerald is still in Lucid - but see the !emerald factoid
[15:54] <coz_> Pirate_Hunter,   try here and scroll down near to the bottom   http://releases.ubuntu.com/lucid/
[15:54] <slide23_> i find resizing very difficult, gotta get the exact right pixel
[15:54] <Jake2|cfl> sveinse: I didn't know that trick, will try it.
[15:55] <Pirate_Hunter> thanks coz_
[15:55] <Jake2|cfl> slide23_: yep, exactly what I was talking about
[15:55] <coz_> Pirate_Hunter,  no problem
[15:56] <slide23_> hrm well, alt+both mouse buttons works on my laptop but thats a lot more awkard heh
[15:57] <coz_> Jake2|cfl,  sorry I meant you could edit the metaciy part of the theme to increase border width
[15:57] <coz_> Jake2|cfl,  here is a post about that    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=439329
[15:58] <coz_> Jake2|cfl,  some themes like the homosapien  theme on gnome-look come with a metacity editor
[15:59] <coz_> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=119496
[15:59] <Jake2|cfl> coz_: metacity is in gconf-editor as is.  Is that what you meant?
[16:00] <coz_> Jake2|cfl,  i didnt check in gconf if the padding for the borders are available there but its possible
[16:01] <Jake2|cfl> anyone: where do you suggest enhancements (like easier edge grab) vs. bug reports?
[16:01] <coz_> Jake2|cfl,  I thought maybe  gnome-color-chooser  would have a setting for border padding but I dont see it
[16:02] <Jake2|cfl> edge grab doesn't have to be wider borders; could be looser proximity sensing.
[16:02] <Ian_Corne> anyone else notice google-chrome-unstable never exiting after all windows are closed?
[16:03] <Ian_Corne> well not never
[16:03] <Ian_Corne> sometimes..
[16:03] <Pirate_Hunter> anyone can suggest any decent but light distributed file system with fault tolerance other than mogilefs and glusterfs?
[16:08] <dabaR> I get this No Logon Servers message whenever I leave my computer for a while and then try to sudo or when I first login.
[16:08] <dabaR> Heard of that?
[16:21] <Quartz> hello
[16:22] <nightstalker> hello!
[16:22] <ratcheer> Hi, quartz
[16:22] <Quartz> Who has tested rubyripper on 10.04?
[16:24] <Quartz> On my system, thespeed of extraction looks normal, but the comparison of the two pass is extremly long
[16:25] <Quartz> Has ruby been modify between 9.10and 10.04?
[16:25] <Quartz> modified*
[16:25] <nukelacity> hey i was here the other day with a problem about a RaLink RT2500 wireless card.. well id like to let you know i have sorted out the problem.. but now another problem has arisen.. i was wondering if anyone could help me with this
[16:26] <nukelacity> basically right now my card is finding my network.. but only mine no others (next doors, over the road etc..) and also when i click to connect it tries to connect but after about a minute or two it gives up
[16:26] <nukelacity> so does anyone have any ideas what the problem could be? and/or how to fix it
[16:27] <Quartz> nukelacity: this is a good opportunity to move on ethernet, think to the health of your neighbours :]
[16:28] <nukelacity> xD i dont use my neighbours.. im just saying its not finding anyone elses networks whereas my laptop (what im on now) does xD
[16:28] <guntbert> where could I take a look at the 10.04 version of the server guide?
[16:28] <BluesKaj> nukelacity, you might try wicd , nm is terribly flaky on wifi
[16:29] <nukelacity> how do i set up and use wicd in ubuntu? without the internet xD
[16:29] <nukelacity> now it cant even find my own network -_- should i try broadcasting my network on another channel maybe? would that increase the range
[16:29] <Quartz> nukelacity: Ethernet cables are your friends!
[16:30] <nukelacity> lol i cant get an ethernet cable down to the router.. id have to drill through my floor and my dad wont let me -_- i wonder why xD
[16:30] <BluesKaj> nukelacity, got access to another pc and a usb stick?
[16:30] <nukelacity> yeah im on my laptop now and my usb sticks around here somewhere xD
[16:31] <nukelacity> my desktops the one with the problems lol
[16:32] <BluesKaj> ok, find the wicd open source app on it's site DL it to your usb stick and install it on the linux pc
[16:32] <Quartz> nukelacity: This is not a problem: an ethernet cable is designed to conduct a signal on a distance of 100m in an aggressive environment, electromagneticaly speaking.
[16:32] <BluesKaj> bbiab
[16:32] <nukelacity> is it a .deb file? i can only install them at the moment because as ive not yet had access to the internet with it i cant compile anything
[16:33] <nukelacity> and quartz i have no way of connecting the cable from my pc to my router xD
[16:35] <Quartz> ? a lazptop without ethernet port exists? What is this horror model? :p
[16:35] <researcher1> I am working with Ubuntu 10.04 but when it will be  released in April 29 will I have to install fresh copy?
[16:35] <Quartz> You need wicd-gtk and
[16:35] <Quartz> wicd-daemon
[16:35] <ratcheer> researcher1: No
[16:35] <nukelacity> LOL! quartz no yoo dont get it xD lmao! im on my laptop now.. that connects to wireless fine.. its my desktop that the wireless doesnt work in xD
[16:37] <nukelacity> will the wicd deb file have both the wicd-gtk and wicd-daemon?
[16:37] <enav> hello
[16:38] <researcher1> ratcheer: thanks. Will I have to just update?
[16:38] <Reckon> hola a tod@s | Hello everybody
[16:38] <enav> after install 10.04 i got a black screen
[16:38] <Reckon> Hey buddies, is there any known issue regarding the gnome-clock applet?
[16:38] <ratcheer> researcher1: Yes, just keep up with the apt-get updates and you will be there.
[16:40] <ratcheer> Reckon: Have you checked on Launchpad?
[16:41] <Reckon> ratcheer, I just booted and got an error dialog msg closing the clock applet
[16:41] <Reckon> where can I check the logs?
[16:41] <ratcheer> Reckon: I get no hits for gnome-clock in Lucid bugs
[16:42] <Reckon> Yea, I was looking for any also, but no luck
[16:42] <Reckon> that's why I asked
[16:42] <ratcheer> Reckon: Ok, sorry.
[16:42] <Reckon> no, thanks for looking up. 4 eyes see more than 2
[16:44] <ratcheer> Reckon: try viewing /var/log/messages
[16:46] <researcher1> ratcheer: ok.Thanks
[16:47] <Reckon> Is there any article delving into the Ubuntu boot process? I'm really interested on it
[16:48] <nukelacity> i just installer wicd-manager like you said and i also uninstalled network-manager because it told me to, now it wont find any connections :/
[16:49] <trevesa> anyone else having trouble with lucid rc and the notification area icons? sometimes the volume gets duplicated, and sometimes the network doesn't appear at all (but I seem to get internet connectivity, but the icon is not there)
[16:50] <Reckon> trevesa, I only had an issue today. My clock vanished. But I know the "volume" icon is a common issue.
[16:50] <Reckon> I've heard several times about it
[16:50] <trevesa> Reckon: ok, well I haven't had any problems with the clock... yet
[16:50] <nukelacity> ive gotta go.. ill come back and get this sorted some other time lol xD thanks for the help so far guys
[16:53] <Ascavasaion> What is the /dev/ device name for USB memory stick?
[16:53] <penguin42> Ascavasaion: it'll be a /dev/sd* where * depends
[16:53] <Ascavasaion> Ta penguin42
[16:54] <Ascavasaion> penguin42: Only sda* entries.
[16:54] <Ascavasaion> penguin42: and those are used for my hard disk partitions.
[16:55] <penguin42> Ascavasaion: That's unusual, it sounds like it's not seeing the stick; can you do an lsusb and put it into a pastebinh?
[16:55] <Ascavasaion> lsusb works like a charm
[16:55] <Ascavasaion> See the USB.
[16:55] <Ascavasaion> sees the USB
[16:56] <penguin42> how about /proc/partitions?
[16:56] <arand> A dmsegs, from just after the point of inserting the device might be informative penguin42 Ascavasaion
[16:56] <arand> *dmesg
[16:56] <Ascavasaion> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/421737/
[16:57] <penguin42> Ascavasaion: I'm guessing the SanDisk is your USB storage
[16:57] <penguin42> Ascavasaion: Does it show in /proc/partitions ?
[16:57] <Ascavasaion> dmesg output - [ 1082.688443] hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 4
[16:57] <Reckon> nothing in /media either?
[16:58] <Ascavasaion> penguin42: does not show in /proc/partitions
[16:59] <Ascavasaion> Reckon: No... when I insert it I suspect it tries to mount the usb from /dev/fd  But thatnis only an idea.
[16:59] <arand> Ascavasaion: That error message is probably the problem right there...
[16:59] <penguin42> Ascavasaion: that unable to enumerate is unusual - I've not seen it with storage before; I assume you've tried unplugging and plugging back in?
[16:59] <Ascavasaion> penguin42: Repeatedly and with different memory sticks.  Other USB devices like bluetooth dong works though.
[17:00] <penguin42> Ascavasaion: Weird
[17:00] <Ascavasaion> dong=dongle
[17:00] <Ascavasaion> penguin42: I agree
[17:00] <penguin42> Ascavasaion: Is this direct into a port on the machine or into a hub?
[17:00] <Ascavasaion> penguin42: Directly.
[17:00] <penguin42> hmm very weird
[17:01] <Ascavasaion> penguin42: I agree
[17:01] <penguin42> Ascavasaion: Can you pastebin the whole of your dmesg?
[17:01] <Jake2|cfl>  Looking for a file VIEWER that has no 'save' function...view only.
[17:01] <Jake2|cfl> graphical
[17:02] <Reckon> Ascavasaion, have you checked if you are a member of the group "pludev" ?
[17:04] <Reckon> group "plugdev" sorry
[17:05] <penguin42> Reckon: Worth checking, but even if he isn't it should show up in /proc/partitions
[17:06] <Ascavasaion> I am a member of plugdev group
[17:07] <Ascavasaion> Reckon: I am a member of plugdev group
[17:07] <letalis> well i must say, this is far more stable than 9.1 was out of the gate.
[17:07] <letalis> LOL
[17:10] <disk1of5> hey all im looking to install10.04 rc but after 10.04 is offically released will i have to do any thing other then a regular system update  to be updated from RC to 10.04 final?
[17:10] <ratcheer> disk1of5: No, that's all.
[17:10] <Jake2|cfl> disk1of5: like the nick.  I've been TOLD that an update will work.
[17:11] <s0u][ight> 10.04 broke my harddisk
[17:11] <disk1of5> perfect thnx :)  also one more quick thing.. has the netbook remix UI changed or is it still awkwardish (for me at least)
[17:11] <disk1of5> Jake2|cfl, thnx :)
[17:12] <s0u][ight> my harddisk isn't recognized at boot
[17:13] <jo-erlend> can we setup raid in the graphical installer now, or do I still have to use the alternate?
[17:18] <s0u][ight> is there any way to get my hard disk back to working?
[17:24] <pakete> hey all
[17:26] <pakete> when pressed restart it shows black screen with TERM signals...only then it shows splash with progress bar....How to get rid of black screen?
[17:26] <pakete> or it has to be there?
[17:28] <Ascavasaion> sda = my first Hard disk... I cannot figure out what /dev entry m USB memory stick is using.  lsusb locates it.
[17:30] <penguin42> Ascavasaion: If it's not showing up in /proc/partitions I suspect it really hasn't got a /dev entry
[17:30] <pakete> can some one tell how to solve black screen?
[17:31] <Ascavasaion> penguin42: how do I remedy that?  A reboot with USB device plugged in?
[17:31] <penguin42> Ascavasaion: Don't know - it's not obvious to me why it's failing
[17:34] <ratcheer> s0u][ight: Can gparted on a Live CD see the disk?
[17:35] <s0u][ight> the computer hangs on bios screen when the harddisk is attached
[17:35] <s0u][ight> when attached after live cd boot
[17:35] <ratcheer> s0u][ight:  Ouch!
[17:35] <pakete> can someone ell how to disable blac k screen with text before showing splash screen on restart???
[17:35] <s0u][ight> dmesg gives it the respons is low
[17:37] <fox-m> can someone suggest how to make restart without black screen and text...?
[17:38] <s0u][ight> ratcheer, what now? :D
[17:38] <s0u][ight> it was a gpt partitioned disk
[17:39] <ratcheer> s0u][ight: I don't know.
[17:39] <hudnix> So after updating and rebooting this morning, my window decorations are messed up. Just have basic buttons on the left side of the titlebar, and nothing I do to change it in system settings has any effect.
[17:39] <hudnix> In fact system settings still thinks I have my same old settings.
[17:40] <hudnix> In KDE, btw.
[17:41] <ronnie_vd_c> when i login with my Yubikey, i have to refill my wireless key every time. I expected to get an gnome-keyring unlock box. When i login with my normal password, the wireless connects without asking anything
[17:49] <lalalol> hey guys, when ill click upgrade, what will happen to my wallpapers for example?
[17:50] <ratcheer> lalalol: I upgraded and it kept everything. Including some stuff I wish it had replaced, such as my alsa driver. It did keep my wallpaper.
[17:50] <BluesKaj> lalalol, if you upgrade everything on your desktop shold remain the same
[17:51] <fox-m> can anyone help with plymouth??? why does it show black screen before showing splash??? - when pressed restart?????
[17:51] <DefaultTo0> I'm having the same issue as fox-m, I have a blank screen for about 20 seconds before the splash screen.
[17:51] <lalalol> ratcheer, you mentioned something interesting
[17:52] <lalalol> ratcheer, lucid has better drivers available or so?
[17:52] <ratcheer> lalalol: What's that?
[17:52] <josephnexus> I've had xorg seg fault on me a few times
[17:52] <josephnexus> the backtrace says about about wacom_drv
[17:52] <josephnexus> anyone else experiencing this?
[17:52] <josephnexus> (I use a wacom bamboo tablet)
[17:52] <fox-m> is there a way to stop it? it is kind of stupid, it shos text and only then it shos splash....i have reconfigured plymouth - still no change
[17:53] <ratcheer> fox-m: There are threads a mile long on ubuntuforums about that.
[17:53] <z3r0-c001> wow my movie player wont play legitimate movies only black market is there a fix for this
[17:54] <lalalol> ratcheer, ?
[17:54] <ratcheer> z3r0-c001: try vlc and libdvdcss2
[17:54] <z3r0-c001> just install them or what
[17:55] <ratcheer> lalalol: Most drivers are the same as Karmic, a few are newer.
[17:55] <lalalol> ratcheer, and how do you get the better ones then? :s
[17:56] <ratcheer> Yes, install them and use vlc as your movie player. If you're talking about playing DVD movies.
[17:57] <z3r0-c001> if i install vlc does the other install automaticly
[17:57] <josephnexus> you have to run one command in the terminal
[17:57] <josephnexus> it's easy to do
[17:57] <josephnexus> if you'd like, I can post the command here for you to use
[17:57] <ratcheer> lalalol: Well, for example, to get my alsa driver updated, I had to install the alsa backports for kernel 2.6.32-21
[17:57] <DefaultTo0> Can anyone point me in the direction of an UbuntuForums thread where they get the issue with Grub -> blank screen for 20 seconds -> short splash screen -> login resolved?
[17:58] <lalalol> ratcheer, im a newbie, will the final take care of that for me?
[17:58] <ratcheer> lalalol: Based on what happened to me, no. Not unless you do a fresh install.
[17:59] <bryanr> This may seem unbelievable but deep down beneath the earth's crush there are wars between people and ancient species. we use ubuntu to plan our strategic suicide bombings. I once was a kamikaze ninja. My missions are well documented on the ubuntu computers underground. Typically I was ordered to penetrate defenses with my awesome powers and then self-destruct at the core of the enemy base.
[17:59] <pibarnas> hi folks, cant install language packages or the package upgrades through kpackagekit... error message: Failed to fetch http://br.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/t/ttf-khmeros/ttf-khmeros-core_5.0-3ubuntu1_all.deb 403 Forbidden [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[17:59] <lalalol> ratcheer, darn >.<
[17:59] <bryanr> my hands still shake from the wars
[18:00] <josephnexus> pibarnas, try a diff mirror
[18:00] <LtHummus> how do I change what version of nvidia drivers I have installed?  I have 195 but I'd like to try 190
[18:01] <LtHummus> or are there any known issues with ubuntu 10.04 having choppy playback when using VDPAU?
[18:02] <ratcheer> DefaultTo0: Here is the main one I am thinking about: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1416872 It is over 50 pages long, but lots of info. Other plymouth threads are in the same sub-forum.
[18:02] <DefaultTo0> Thanks ratcheer, I'll take a look
[18:02] <ratcheer> bryanr: That is amazing.
[18:03] <bryanr> ratcheer, it wouldn't be without ubuntu :)
[18:03] <josephnexus> bryanr.... that's schweet
[18:03] <bryanr> uh oh mom is home
[18:03] <bryanr> brb
[18:04] <ninjai__> If I boot up ubuntu now my screen goes black and I dont hear the startup noise.  I *think* I accidentally powered it off during an apt-get upgrade.... so im on a live cd right now, chrooted into my system and the X log shows this: http://pastebin.com/K1C2LPcf
[18:04] <josephnexus> ninjai_ : something went horribly wrong
[18:04] <josephnexus> can you have it finish the update?
[18:04] <ninjai__> and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg just doesn't do anything
[18:05] <ninjai__> ya i finished updating
[18:05] <josephnexus> hmm
[18:05] <ninjai__> i dont know how the x server works in 10.04 because it doesn't use an xorg.conf
[18:06] <ratcheer> ninjai_: What video driver are you using?
[18:06] <ratcheer> nouveau?
[18:06] <ninjai__> i dont know... i think it should be intel
[18:06] <penguin42> ninjai_: It normally works most things out for itself, if you give it an xorg.conf it'll use it
[18:07] <ninjai__> ok i just copied a failsafe to xorg.conf... ill be back
[18:07] <ninjai__> rebooting..
[18:08] <LtHummus> how does the alternatives system work in Ubuntu 10.04?  From the 'new features' page "Three different NVIDIA proprietary drivers are currently available: nvidia-current (190.53), nvidia-173, and nvidia-96. Thanks to a new alternatives system, it is now possible to install all three of these packages at the same time (although it is only possible to have one configured for use at a time).   "
[18:08] <DefaultTo0> If Plymouth was generating errors etc, where would these be stored?
[18:08] <ninjai__> oh! lthummus... ill get to that in 1 sec, brb
[18:12] <ninjai__> LtHummus: I have this from dpkg -l: http://pastebin.com/zYKnWKvV
[18:12] <LtHummus> ninjai__: thx
[18:17] <BluesKaj> LtHummus, normally with nvidia the nvidia-current driver will be the one to use
[18:17] <LtHummus> BluesKaj: that's the one that I have installed, but VDPAU isn't working properly
[18:18] <bjsnider> LtHummus, with which media player?
[18:18] <LtHummus> bjsnider: XBMC
[18:18] <ensignkim> Updated my 10.04 beta yesterday, now unable to log in as gdm login screen is frozen accepting no input from mouse or keyboard. My laptop is amd64; intel gfx. Someone suggested booting in recovery mode - how do i do this?
[18:18] <LtHummus> SD playback is fine, but HD playback is very choppy
[18:20] <BluesKaj> ensignkim, choose the recovery kernel at the grub boot menu
[18:20] <BluesKaj> LtHummus, try vlc
[18:20] <ensignkim> BluesKaj: I don't get a grub boot menu?
[18:20] <bjsnider> LtHummus, you need the libvdpau1 package. is it installed?
[18:21] <Clorox> So, I popped in here just to say I love Lucid Lynx. :D
[18:21] <LtHummus> BluesKaj: i'll give that a shot stand by
[18:21] <LtHummus> bjsnider: checking....
[18:21] <bjsnider> vlc will not work with vdpau
[18:22] <LtHummus> bjsnider: ahhh it appears it's not installed, installing now :)
[18:22] <shadeslayer> hey i have a small mouse pointer theme issue
[18:23] <racquad> hi guys, I have just upgraded from 9.10 to 10.04 RC and my PHP just stoped running under userdir... it works under all other dirs, but ~/public_html is down for PHP. Anyone with the same problem?
[18:23] <shadeslayer> i started a KDE app and the mouse now has the kde theme,how do i get the gnome theme back? :P
[18:23] <ensignkim> BluesKaj: the first thing i see is the purple ubuntu splash screen; how do i get to the grub menu?
[18:23] <shadeslayer> ensignkim: press esc after the bios loads
[18:24] <LtHummus> bjsnider: that did it! thanks a million
[18:25] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, vlc doesn't play HD ?
[18:25] <ensignkim> shadeslayer: I've tried that - all I get after pressing ESC is a black screen with boot messages, the first of which is "getpwuid_r(): failed due to unknown user id (0)
[18:25] <shadeslayer> ensignkim: heh...
[18:26] <shadeslayer> ensignkim: do you have any other OS's on the HD?
[18:26] <ensignkim> shadeslayer: no
[18:26] <BluesKaj> ensignkim, sudo update-grub
[18:27] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, vlc needs vaapi to do that. i have a ppa that has vlc with vaapi, but without it it will play hd stuff using the cpu to do the decoding, which won't work well
[18:27] <ensignkim> BluesKaj: i cannot log into my laptop at all as gdm login screen is frozen
[18:28] <Dr_Willis> i dont have much issues with VLC doing HD on my rather midrange system. The Netbook - is a little more proplematic
[18:28] <Dr_Willis> and yes. the cpu ussage is proberly a bit higher with vlc then it should be. but thats life
[18:29] <ensignkim> I suppose I will have to make a recovery CD; but strange I cannot access recovery mode from installed OS
[18:30] <bjsnider> Dr_Willis, it depends on the frame size, video bitrate and codec used. x264 at 1080p ~10mbps will not play on any system reliably.
[18:31] <Quartz> I'am afraid there is a bug related to ruby in 10.04. If someone wants to confirm it: install rubyripper 0.5.7 and run it: if it takes a long time to compare 2 tracks, the bug is reproductible
[18:31] <Dr_Willis> not even a cray super computer. :)
[18:31] <Quartz> http://rubyripper.googlecode.com/files/rubyripper-0.5.7.tar.bz2
[18:33] <bjsnider> Quartz, why does it need to be installed that way?
[18:33] <Quartz> Sorry?
[18:33] <bjsnider> from the source tarball you just linked to
[18:33] <Quartz> because there is no package for Ubuntu
[18:34] <Quartz> It's work very good on 9.04, 9.10
[18:34] <bjsnider> !info rubyripper lucid
[18:34] <Quartz> but is extremely slow on 10.04
[18:34] <penguin42> doesn't ruby have their own package system it might be in - gem ?
[18:34] <bjsnider> !info rubyripper karmic
[18:34] <Dr_Willis> posibally a 'ruby' version differance/issue.
[18:35] <ninjai_> so if i encrypted my home folder... and i cant get the xserver working on my install... and i don't ahve the key they clearly mentioned to "write down", and I screwed?
[18:35] <ronnie_vd_c> when i login with my Yubikey, the netwerkmanager asks for my wireless password instead of asking the gnome-keyring password. When i login with my password the wireless connects without asking. What package should i use for the bug report?
[18:35] <Quartz> the result is the same with rubyripper git version (0.6 b)
[18:36]  * Dr_Willis gueses yes.. but is not 100%sure
[18:41] <bjsnider> Quartz, i had no idea it was not in ubuntu. i'll have to ppa it
[18:41] <bjsnider> it's an outrage
[18:43] <Dr_Willis> No idea what rubyripper even does.
[18:43] <ensignkim> ninjai_: can't you log in at console?
[18:43] <ninjai_> any reason why all of a sudden grub2 would take a long-ish time to do anything after my selection is made? (takes like 5 seconds for the screen to go away)
[18:45] <ninjai_> what do i need to erase any configuration related to the x server???
[18:46] <CT1> Hi.  I've installed pulseaudio-equalizer which works great.  One question, when I record for the sake of argument, some tunes in audacity from spotify in wine, is audacity recording the equalized audio?  I'm looking for a guide on how audio works (from an end-user's perspective) what is applied where, what "routes" through what etc.  Any suggestions of a good place to start reading? As I said, I'm an end user, an analogy would be: I want to know
[18:47] <ninjai_> CT1: I'm not sure.  And I think you may want to look up the definition of analogy ;)
[18:48] <guntbert> ronnie_vd_c: if your network manager is gnome-network-manager then use that (for a start at least)
[18:48] <Quartz> bjsnider: are you a developer of ruby?
[18:48] <ronnie_vd_c> ok, thx guntbert
[18:49] <guntbert> ronnie_vd_c: but don't expect too much at this state of the release schedule ;-)
[18:50] <ronnie_vd_c> ok, i fixed it by setting "availible for all users" no i can login with Yubikey and can connect to wireless
[18:50] <Clorox> I have a question, CompizConfig isn't working for me in Lucid Lynx, Does it have something to do with my graphics card?
[18:50] <guntbert> ronnie_vd_c: good to know - thx for reporting back
[18:50] <bjsnider> Quartz, no, just a guy that needs rubyripper
[18:50] <CT1> ninjai_: You're right about the analogy.  Sorry, I was looking for another word that still escapes me.... paradigma? for example? none seem to fit...  My question still stands :p
[18:50] <shizzo> sry... i wanted to go in the german ubuntu+1 IRC channel.... how i can go there?
[18:51] <crdlb> Clorox: can you be more specific?
[18:51] <ronnie_vd_c> always trieing to make ubuntu more user friendly :D
[18:51] <Dr_Willis> Clorox:  so is compiz working? what is your gfx card?
[18:55] <Usagiakumu> I love the new RC and the new boot sound is amazingly beautiful
[18:55] <Usagiakumu> everything about it is amazing
[18:56] <Usagiakumu> but can OOo be removed to save the ISO size I never use the darn thing and always remove it
[18:56]  * Dr_Willis thinks there shouldent really even be a 'boot sound' other then perhaps a very short   tone or 2.
[18:56] <Quiet1> I have a question about the RC
[18:57] <penguin42> Usagiakumu: Many people do use it however
[18:57] <Usagiakumu> well yall remove gimp
[18:57] <Usagiakumu> I use it
[18:57] <penguin42> Dr_Willis: Agreed, it must get embarrasing if you open the laptop in a library
[18:57] <Usagiakumu> moreso than OOo
[18:57] <Usagiakumu> if ur going to remove one you have to remove the other
[18:58] <ninjai_> how can i force ubuntu to use a different video driver?
[18:58] <Usagiakumu> just install the driver for your video card
[18:58] <Clorox> Dr_willis: No its not working at all, and I have a 8800GTS Nvidia card
[18:58] <ninjai_> whats the driver for intel gfx?
[18:59] <penguin42> intel
[18:59] <Usagiakumu> it is a floss driver
[18:59] <Usagiakumu> it is included
[18:59] <coz_> ninjai_,  is it not working?
[19:00] <coz_> ninjai_,  or cant you get compiz working?
[19:01] <Usagiakumu> I gotta say I dont get this excited about a Linux release normally but I gotta say it is about time you all are bringing the love back to linux
[19:01] <Quietstorm> I was wondering if a quad core running a 100% on all cores at idle is considered nomal behavior
[19:01] <Dr_Willis> Clorox:  odd. I got an 8800GTSxxx here - and nvidia drivers are working for me
[19:01] <coz_> Quietstorm,  no that doesn sound right
[19:01] <imanc> Quietstorm only if you are running windows
[19:01] <Usagiakumu> no do you have speed step enabled?
[19:01] <Dr_Willis> VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G80 [GeForce 8800 GTS] (rev a2)
[19:01] <ensignkim> I just booted into recovery mode as root from grub2 - without needing a password? what gives? anyone can access my machine as root without having a password?
[19:02] <Usagiakumu> if so disable it
[19:02] <Usagiakumu> and submit a bug report
[19:02] <Dr_Willis> if someone has physical access to your machine.. then its not 'secure' so  thats normal ensignkim
[19:02] <Dr_Willis> you an password protect grub if you wanted..
[19:02] <Dr_Willis> but then they could use a live cd..
[19:03] <Usagiakumu> the new software center makes me cream in my pants mmmm it is so darn sexy
[19:03] <ninjai_> how can i fix this? (EE) VESA: Kernel modsetting driver in use, refusing to load, (WW) Falling back to old probe method for vesa, (EE) no devices detected
[19:03] <Quietstorm> no windoze, I have 10.04 B3 that is fully updated
[19:03] <Jake2|cfl> Usagiakumu: I reallt disagree...it doesn't show you the actual name of the package unless you drill into each one
[19:03] <Jake2|cfl> click on Installed.
[19:04] <Dr_Willis> I also have some issues with software center..
[19:04] <Usagiakumu> actually I like it it isnt so overwhelming
[19:04] <ensignkim> Dr_Willis: thanks, i will remember to password protect grub - they can't use a livecd as that is disabled from bios (which is passworded)
[19:04] <Clorox> Dr_Willis: Yeah im running the recommended driver, just no animations or anything.
[19:04] <Usagiakumu> hey wine is finally included
[19:04] <Usagiakumu> I dont have to jump through hoops to get it
[19:04] <Dr_Willis> ensignkim:   and you can lock the pc in a 3ft steel vault.....
[19:05] <Dr_Willis> wine has been in the repos for many a year...
[19:05] <Usagiakumu> I mean for more advanced users there is always synaptic
[19:05] <Usagiakumu> but software center is very nice
[19:05] <Dr_Willis> Clorox:  odd.  what does nvidia-settings tool say about the driers?
[19:05] <ensignkim> Dr_Willis: nevertheless, if someone steals my machine, they can access my data (actually, they can't, because it's encrypted - but most ordinary users won't necessarily have encrypted their home directories)
[19:05] <Usagiakumu> I use synaptic regularly and nothing will replace it
[19:06] <Usagiakumu> I am just saying Software Center is beautiful
[19:06]  * Dr_Willis recalls that last years 'beautiful/sexy/hot' themes/apps/gui desicn is now this years garbage....
[19:06] <Jake2|cfl> Usagiakumu: actually, I thought the cENTER was the new version of synaptic
[19:06] <Usagiakumu> Ubuntu 10.04 is bringing sexy back lol
[19:06] <Usagiakumu> lol no it isnt
[19:07] <Usagiakumu> software center is developed by canonical
[19:07] <Dr_Willis> I wonder if software center finally fixed that queing of installs that was sort of a feature.. IF you did it right...
[19:07] <Clorox> Dr_Willis: Nvidia Drivers Version 195.36.15? Im guessing thats what your looking for?
[19:07] <Usagiakumu> yes it has
[19:07] <Usagiakumu> you are able to queue them up now
[19:07] <Dr_Willis> Clorox:  so the  command 'sudo nvidia-settings' lets you change/tweak things eh?
[19:07] <Usagiakumu> and look through software while one or two are installing
[19:08] <Dr_Willis> Usagiakumu:  you were able to befor.. IF you clicked on  the details button. then installed.. but the install button on the 'page' befor the details.. wouldent que.
[19:08] <Usagiakumu> im not one for gimp but they did a lot with gimp
[19:08] <Dr_Willis> it seemed sort of weird it had to be doen that way
[19:08] <Usagiakumu> it does now
[19:08] <Clorox> Dr_Willis: yeah it does.
[19:08] <Dr_Willis> glad to see some bugs got fixed :)
[19:08] <Usagiakumu> I installed Gimp and then went and installed gnome-do and gnome-do waited until gimp was done
[19:09] <Usagiakumu> now all yall gotta do is work on a flicker free boot
[19:09] <Dr_Willis> be nicer if the thing could start downloading all the packages as one is installing..
[19:09] <Usagiakumu> get rid of the flicker
[19:09] <Dr_Willis> after all the fighting/problems with Plymouth.. I dont really care if the boot flickers or not.
[19:09] <Usagiakumu> yeah but progress man
[19:09] <Usagiakumu> synaptec does this
[19:10] <vega> bjsnider: what do you know.. removing the second nvidia card solved my nvidia-proprietary problem (discussed some 4-5 hrs ago)
[19:10] <Usagiakumu> so I still use synaptic
[19:10] <Dr_Willis> Id rather have a machine that works relieably for 40+ days.. then  saves me 4 sec of boot time :)
[19:10] <bjsnider> Clorox, glxinfo |grep renderer
[19:10] <needhelp> Ubuntu thinks my system has a floppy drive which doesn't actually exist. This problem happens whether I use the Lucid kernel or the Karmic kernel.
[19:10] <Usagiakumu> I would rather both
[19:10] <Usagiakumu> oh well 10.04 is beginning to get that whole "apple magic" and I for one am impressed
[19:10] <Quartz> I dislike the icon of rhythmbox which now don't get information on the current track when overflighted
[19:11] <Dr_Willis> Clorox:  Hmm. Not sure what to tell ya to look at next then. Theres been some odd quirks where the nvidia drivers failed.. then next reboot.. or even  just a restart of X. got them working properly
[19:11] <needhelp> Quartz: Yeah, that is annoying.
[19:11] <needhelp> Quartz: Thankfully I now use Docky and it reproduces that feature. :)
[19:11] <Dr_Willis> Quartz:  they removed that from a lot of the icons that way
[19:11] <Usagiakumu> yeah I am about to install the RC on my Ubuntu machine and give it a true run I am running it in virtual box on a Mac at the moment
[19:11] <vega> having 2 nvidia cards in same system and installing nvidia drivers apparently is not very well supported.. machine halts totally on boot
[19:12] <Dr_Willis> Quartz:  from what i 'hear/read' theres going to be a move  away from dozens of little icons/applets to do notifications to a  more organized setup.
[19:12] <Quartz> TY for this info needhelp
[19:12] <Clorox> Dr_Willis: Alrighty Thanks
[19:12] <Dr_Willis> vega:  i got  2 nvidia cards here. :) one is onboard. other is a PCIE.  they both work. but i THINk they would work better if they both used the same nvifdia drivers.
[19:12] <Clorox> bjsnider: It tells me to install mesa-utils
[19:13] <vega> Dr_Willis: exact same situation, i can't boot with both cards in the system with nvidia drivers
[19:13] <Usagiakumu> FACK I went to take a screenshot and hit command shift f8 and it rebooted
[19:13] <Dr_Willis> vega:  i even had 3 monitors workiong.. once.. havent tried it lately
[19:13] <Usagiakumu> thats mad annoying
[19:13] <bjsnider> Clorox, go ahead and do that
[19:14] <Usagiakumu> but yes I am very impressed by the new RC
[19:14] <Quartz> needhelp: how do you use docker?
[19:14] <Clorox> bjsnider: alright done should I re-run the command?
[19:14] <needhelp> Lucid thinks my system has a floppy drive which doesn't actually exist.
[19:14] <Dr_Willis> Just rember 'this years hot girlfriend' is next years 'old ball and chain'
[19:14] <needhelp> Quartz: Docky.
[19:14]  * Dr_Willis clears the screen befor his wife comes in...
[19:15] <Dr_Willis> :)
[19:15] <Quartz> sorry :)
[19:15] <Usagiakumu> burning now
[19:15] <Clorox> haha nice
[19:15] <bjsnider> Clorox, of course
[19:15] <Usagiakumu> ill let you all know how the final tests go
[19:15] <needhelp> Quartz: It has an excellent project wiki.
[19:15] <Usagiakumu> ill put it through its paces
[19:15] <Usagiakumu> run wow and rosetta stone in wine
[19:16] <bjsnider> Quartz, https://launchpad.net/~brandonsnider/+archive/rubyripper
[19:16] <bjsnider> Quartz, binary still being published at the moment
[19:16] <Usagiakumu> ill even try to break it
[19:16] <Usagiakumu> ill install like every application my HDD will handle
[19:16] <Clorox> bjsnider: alright It says OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 8800 GTS 512/PCI/SSE2
[19:17] <bjsnider> Clorox, what happens with glxgears?
[19:18] <Dr_Willis> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/04/best-ubuntu-docks-vote.html
[19:18] <Quartz> bjsnider: ok, but have tested it?  Is it as fast as on 9.10 or 9.04?
[19:18] <Quartz> you*
[19:18] <Clorox> bjsnider: What do you mean?
[19:18] <needhelp> Dr_Willis: I like Docky and Dockbar
[19:19] <bjsnider> Quartz, i haven't tested it yet.
[19:19] <Quartz> that's the point :(
[19:19] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. I dont even have glxgears installed here
[19:19] <Dr_Willis> !find glxgears
[19:19] <bjsnider> Clorox, run the glxgears command and check the framerate
[19:20] <bjsnider> Dr_Willis, mesa-utils
[19:20] <Dr_Willis> right. but i got my nvidia going without even needing that package..
[19:20] <Clorox> bjsnider: Alright its running at 69706 Frames in 5.0 Secs. looks fine to me.
[19:20] <Dr_Willis> 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G80 [GeForce 8800 GTS] (rev a2)
[19:20] <bjsnider> Quartz, the pointi s to package it properly for one thing. you test it and i'll test it using your procedure and we'll compare
[19:21] <Clorox> stop
[19:21] <Quartz> ok
[19:21] <Clorox> haha whoops wrong window.
[19:21] <bjsnider> Clorox, then it's not a driver problem
[19:21] <Dr_Willis> 86042 frames in 5.0 seconds
[19:21] <needhelp> Lucid thinks my system has a floppy drive which doesn't actually exist.
[19:22] <ninjai_> i have a quick question.  Can someone tell me what log would have been written to the last time I booted? Xorg.[0-5].log
[19:22] <Dr_Willis> needhelp:  so? clarify how this is a problem?
[19:22] <diwic> Lucid RC Live CD does not boot on old laptop, last thing I see is garbage on screen for a split second (probably when switching out of plymouth) and then a hard freeze
[19:22] <Clorox> bjsnider: am I missing something then like an option?
[19:22] <diwic> needhelp, try disabling it in BIOS - worked for me
[19:22] <needhelp> Dr_Willis: It's annoying because it clutters up my menu and stuff.
[19:22] <Dr_Willis> needhelp:  what menu? and 'stuff' ?
[19:22] <diwic> needhelp, for me, it slowed down my boot.
[19:23] <needhelp> diwic: I might try it and lose a bit of uptime.
[19:23] <bjsnider> Clorox, i don't know about that since i don't use compiz. but if you upgraded from karmic i'd say it could be a local gconf setting that's broken
[19:23] <Dr_Willis> yep. check bios disable foppy controller - for starters like diwic  said.
[19:23] <diwic> ninjai_, are you looking for dmesg?
[19:23] <needhelp> I never had this problem before, though.
[19:23] <LukeL> ninjai_ you can do ls -l /var/log/Xorg* to see the last modified time of files
[19:23] <Dr_Willis> check fstab see if it has a floppy entry. if so - comment it out.
[19:23] <needhelp> Dr_Willis: It's annoying to see a misleading floppy icon every time I look at my screen.
[19:24] <ChrisC_> Hi there.
[19:24] <Vigo> Does the Desktop Voice Control widget use Festival or something else?
[19:24] <Clorox> bjsnider: alright thanks anyway :D
[19:24] <needhelp> Dr_Willis: There's nothing there.
[19:24] <Dr_Willis> try the bios then. I guess needhelp
[19:25] <Dr_Willis> I wonder if theres a floppy 'module' thats loaded.. or thats proberly built into the kernel
[19:25] <ChrisC_> Can I ask a question. How do I reset splash to a low res? When I boot up I get a blank screen. I'm using that odd nomodeset in the grub2 file. As my video card is one of those odd ones.
[19:25] <needhelp> Dr_Willis: The problem occurs when using either the Lucid kernel or the Karmic kernel.
[19:25] <Usagiakumu> Dr_Willis: I dislike docks
[19:25] <Usagiakumu> I rarely use the one in OSX
[19:26] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: They're better than taskbars.
[19:26] <diwic> ChrisC_, yes you can, and perhaps you can switch to using framebuffer device in plymouth
[19:26] <needhelp> I like to use icons to select a window rather than a string of text.
[19:26] <Usagiakumu> I use my dock in OSX like a task bar
[19:26] <Usagiakumu> I like to be able to read
[19:26] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: That's how I use a dock on Ubuntu.
[19:26] <Usagiakumu> im not a complete moron
[19:26] <needhelp> Both Windows and MAC use docks now.
[19:26] <ChrisC_> diwic thanks for the reply. How do you do that please?
[19:26] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: But it's slower to read.
[19:26] <Usagiakumu> windows still uses a taskbar
[19:26] <Usagiakumu> even in 8
[19:27] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: You can recognise an icon in a blink of an eye.
[19:27] <Usagiakumu> the new alpha
[19:27] <diwic> ChrisC_, I remember reading about it but now I can't find it
[19:27] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: The taskbar is more of a dock than a taskbar.
[19:27] <Usagiakumu> yes but if you arent sure what an icon is text is nice
[19:27] <ChrisC_> diwic, thats a  shame, this is really bugging me.
[19:27] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: If you're not sure what an icon is then you're using a shit icon theme.
[19:27] <Usagiakumu> I like dockbar X though
[19:27] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: Also, you can hover the mouse over the icon and get the text.
[19:28] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: Me too, but it's too buggy to be usable ATM for me. :(
[19:28] <Usagiakumu> Dockbar X looks nice
[19:28] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: Some windows don't show up at all. :(
[19:28] <Usagiakumu> ah nvm
[19:28] <diwic> ChrisC_, do this as root: "echo FRAMEBUFFER=y >>/etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/splash"
[19:28] <Usagiakumu> it will get fixed
[19:28] <Usagiakumu> Talika looks nice
[19:28] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: I know, but I'm using Docky in the meantime.
[19:28] <diwic> ChrisC_, and after that "update-initramfs -u"
[19:28] <Usagiakumu> how good is talika
[19:28] <Clorox> Alright trying to run Visual Effects but it just searches for drivers then says Composite extension is not available. Any help?
[19:28] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: No idea.
[19:28] <ChrisC_> diwic, So sudo that in the terminal?
[19:29] <Usagiakumu> it looks like a windows 7 ripoff
[19:29] <diwic> ChrisC_ "sudo su" first or >> will go outside sudo
[19:29] <Usagiakumu> but to vote I am saying docky bc im a mac fanboy lol
[19:29] <Dr_Willis> more proper to do 'sudo -i'   or you can use a 'tee' with the sudo command and >
[19:30] <Usagiakumu> im used to the mac style dock for day to day usage
[19:30] <Dr_Willis> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/04/ubuntu-ditching-notification-area.html
[19:30] <Usagiakumu> I wish Ubuntu would use global menu bar
[19:30] <Usagiakumu> by default rather
[19:31] <ChrisC_> su is not authenticating.
[19:31] <Dr_Willis> that would of been a radical design change Usagiakumu  :) would be very suprising if they do that.
[19:31] <ChrisC_> Just a sec.
[19:31] <Dr_Willis> ChrisC_:  you use 'sudo' normally. not 'su'
[19:31] <Usagiakumu> it is such a waste of screenspace to have the menus in my windows
[19:31] <ChrisC_> Ok.
[19:31] <DanaG1> Argh, I hate VGA16fb... it's quite fugly, and it gets in the way of using other framebuffer drivers (such as uvesafb)!
[19:31] <Usagiakumu> it isnt much of a design change the code exists
[19:31] <guntbert> !ot | Usagiakumu
[19:31] <Usagiakumu> its by google
[19:32] <Dr_Willis> Usagiakumu:  depends on how you work. If you like  the global menubar then install it.
[19:32] <ChrisC_> I'm getting...
[19:32] <ChrisC_> chrispche@chrispche-laptop:~$ sudo echo FRAMEBUFFER=y >>/etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/splash
[19:32] <ChrisC_> bash: /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/splash: Permission denied
[19:32] <Usagiakumu> gnubert I am discussing development
[19:32] <Usagiakumu> back off
[19:32] <Dr_Willis> Theres some serious issues with it and some apps. from what i hear Usagiakumu . ive not tried. it.
[19:32] <Usagiakumu> yeah I suppose it is just an extra step for me
[19:32] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: Yeah, that global menu is pretty sweet; it makes my windows more attractive and take up less room on my desktop.
[19:32] <Dr_Willis> ChrisC_:  do a 'sudo -s' then the echo ..... command. is one way
[19:33] <ChrisC_> Ok thanks.
[19:33] <needhelp> needhelp: And Fitt's Law means it's more productive to use globalmenu.
[19:33] <Usagiakumu> people say there is issues with firefox but if you remove Ubuntu Firefox Extras it works fine
[19:33] <DanaG1> Ugh, that blog / news post's comments are glitchy.
[19:33] <DanaG1> They change size a bit as you mouse over them... it's like it's twitching or convulsing.
[19:33] <Usagiakumu> ive not ran into many issues so long as I stay with GTK apps
[19:33] <Guest20780> hail lcuid!
[19:33] <Usagiakumu> QT apps dont like it
[19:33] <ChrisC_> nah still permission denied.
[19:34] <Guest20780> will lucid support touch interface? i plan to run ubuntu on a touch laptop
[19:34] <needhelp> DanaG1: The website design was recently changed.
[19:34] <Usagiakumu> but if Ubuntu uses docky I would cream in my pants lol
[19:34] <Dr_Willis> ChrisC_:  then you are doing sdomthign wrong  - you did 'sudo -s' (or sudo -i) and got to a root shell right?
[19:34] <Usagiakumu> for 10.10
[19:34] <diwic> ChrisC_: Try the three rows here<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:34] <Dr_Willis> by the time 10.10 gets out.. gnome3 may be in a useable state with the gnome-shell ..
[19:34] <ChrisC_> Ok.
[19:34] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: It won't, because Canonical wants Ubuntu to keep its originality and stay different from MACOS and Windows.
[19:35] <Usagiakumu> I am so glad they are finally ditching brown
[19:35] <Guest20780> any touch notebooks out there on which I can run lucid?
[19:35] <Usagiakumu> needhelp: then why did it move the icons to the left like OSX
[19:35] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: OMG just because the icons are on the left they're imitating OSX?!?!?!?
[19:35] <Dr_Willis> dont forget this nifty little tweaks to nautilus also - perhaps in 10.10 -->  http://www.webupd8.org/2010/04/install-nautilus-elementary-230-via-ppa.html
[19:35] <Usagiakumu> yeah thats what I though
[19:35] <Ken8521> needhelp, i tend to agree, ubuntu has a bit of mac envy
[19:35] <Usagiakumu> have you used OSX
[19:35] <ChrisC_> Thank you diwic that's done it.
[19:35] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: By your logic, they have been imitating Windows for years with their evil right aligned buttons.
[19:36] <Usagiakumu> Ubuntu feels so much like OSX its crazy
[19:36] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: Well they are both unix based.
[19:36] <Guest20780> Osx is also based on linux kernel
[19:36] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: PCBSD feels like Ubuntu too.
[19:36] <Dr_Willis> needhelp:  if you use the new netbook edition. the close button for progrms is right in the middle of the panel. :) to the left of the title..
[19:36] <ChrisC_> Bye.
[19:36] <Usagiakumu> no I mean the way it impliments gnome it feels like OSX
[19:36] <arand> Guest20780: Not
[19:36] <Dr_Willis> Guest20780:  err.. no its not.
[19:36] <Pici> Guest20780: no, its based on the BSD kernel
[19:37] <Usagiakumu> I use a Mac for everything I do and when I use Ubuntu I feel comfy using it enough to use it
[19:37] <Dr_Willis> My wife actually likes the Netbook interface/launcher on her desktop machine.  Keeps her from getting so lost
[19:37] <needhelp> All OSes have similarities.
[19:37] <Guest20780> HP TouchSmart tm2 - anychance that touch feature work with lucid?
[19:37] <Ken8521> has anyone figured out how to change the gnome menu icon?.. you used to be able to modify distrubtion-logo or something like that, but i can't find one that matches what i have
[19:37] <Usagiakumu> I will even confuse the two at times and have to remind myself I am using Ubuntu not OSX
[19:37] <Dr_Willis> Guest20780:  try a live cd and see. thats the ultimate test
[19:37] <crimsun> I've become somewhat fond of the netbook launcher
[19:38] <Usagiakumu> the buttons on the left is just one more step
[19:38] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: Have you seen how similar Ubuntu looks to W7 after running the W7 transformation pack?
[19:38] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: I can't tell the difference.
[19:38] <bjsnider> the what transformation pack?
[19:38] <Guest20780> But I havent bought one yet, i want to buy a notebook supporting touch for ubuntu - if there exist
[19:38] <Usagiakumu> nice but I am talking about a default install
[19:38] <Dr_Willis> Ken8521:  ive altered the top left menu ubuntu icon  in the past with the 'ubuntu-tweak' tool. HOWEVER.. the change only worked with some themes.. it seems some icon themes some how overlook/overrode the changed icons.
[19:38] <DanaG1> I still like the Human theme/
[19:38] <DanaG1> .
[19:38] <Usagiakumu> a default desktop feels so much like OSX it is crazy
[19:38] <DanaG1> I find the buttons on the new themes quite ugly... they're like "a crow among doves".
[19:39] <sobersabre> hi. I have a samsung phone, and it can act either as MTP or as mass storage device, when connected via USB.
[19:39] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis, yeah, i've did it lots of times w/o tweak, for some reason though, not having luck this time
[19:39] <Usagiakumu> why not make it convenient and take a few extra steps like installing docky
[19:39] <Dr_Willis> DanaG1:  i just go back to 'bluecurve' :)
[19:39] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: I went round my mate's house, used his OSX PC, and didn't feel at home at all.
[19:39] <DanaG1> I think it'd look nicer if the background color of the buttons was the same as the background color of the windows themselves.
[19:39] <Usagiakumu> then he probably used some hacks to the interface
[19:39] <sobersabre> if I'm connecting the phone as mass storage, it works (strangely, though),
[19:39] <daedeloth> Greetings. I'm having some very weird xserver/xinerama issues. I have a 3-display setup, my main screen (screen 0) has always been the middle one. Now, when I move my mouse pointer to the left of my main screen, my mouse starts jumping around uncontrolable
[19:39] <sobersabre> and when using MTP, it simply doesn't.
[19:39] <Dr_Willis> Ken8521:  we were testing that out in here a few weeks back. and found that the 'changes' worked with some themes and not others..  due to somthing the themes are doing different. and thats about where we stopped dissecting it. :) i forget who else was playing with it that day.
[19:39] <sobersabre> it writes into the logs things like:
[19:40] <daedeloth> I've tested a lot of things, seems like it works as long as my left screen is my main screen.
[19:40] <sobersabre> usbfs: USBDEVFS_CONTROL failed cmd gvfs-gphoto2-vo rqt 128 rq 6 len 1000 ret -110
[19:40] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: Moving the mouse around popped up random windows such as calculators and things. And I made a window disappear somehow.
[19:40] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis, i actually got it to change just now, by doing exactly what you said...
[19:40] <Usagiakumu> does the w7 transformation pack work on the new Ubuntu?
[19:40] <sobersabre> or like this:
[19:40] <Ken8521> trying other themes, etc... i'll work it out, thanks
[19:40] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: No idea.
[19:40] <Dr_Willis> Ken8521:  changed icon themes. :) heh - see.. :) and ive NO idea why it does it.
[19:40] <Usagiakumu> yeah he hacked OSX to do what he wanted
[19:40] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: Probably.
[19:40] <Guest20780> any lucid developers know if it has native support for touch features for  a netbook?
[19:40] <Usagiakumu> a default OSX wont do that
[19:40] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis, seems silly, go figure
[19:40] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis, i say we blame plymouth
[19:40] <sobersabre> usb 2-2: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 10
[19:40] <Dr_Willis> Usagiakumu:  i saw it at some blog site.. but havent tried it.. cant see the need for it.
[19:41] <Usagiakumu> if you used my OSX you would get it confused too
[19:41] <Dr_Willis> Ken8521:  or Upstart!
[19:41] <Dr_Willis> :)
[19:41] <Ken8521> lol
[19:41] <Dr_Willis> Ken8521:  except it was also a similer proglem in the last 2 relkeases also  i think
[19:41] <DanaG1> http://ploum.frimouvy.org/?201-the-aristocratic-desktop-part-2-home-is-desktop
[19:41] <Usagiakumu> I have some hacks to my OSX that make it act really wierd for some people and someone borrowed my macbook and couldnt use it at all
[19:41] <DanaG1> I like desktop_as_home_dir.
[19:41] <Usagiakumu> it annoyed them
[19:41] <Dr_Willis> Ken8521:  so it could be that some themes included a ubuntu icon..  that overtriding your custome one
[19:42] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis, i had no probs changing it in 9.10.. but maybe thats because i used a prtty common theme(humanity)
[19:42] <Usagiakumu> but if I wanted windows 7 I would simply buy it lol
[19:42] <DanaG1> I find I absolutely hate the OS X desktop enviromnment...
[19:42] <Dr_Willis> Ken8521:  yep. I got like 30+ icon themes.. and it worked properly for like 1/2 of them
[19:42] <DanaG1> I mean, you can only resize from the lower-right?  That's just plain stupid.
[19:42] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis, yeah.. thats been almost exactly my experience
[19:42] <Dr_Willis> DanaG1:  cant confuse users now! :0
[19:42] <DanaG1> And the mouse acceleration is like a 90% angle.
[19:42] <xiambax> Harro
[19:42] <DanaG1> Like this: _/
[19:42] <xiambax> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/fglrx_2%3a8.723.1-0ubuntu3_amd64.deb: subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
[19:43] <daedeloth>  Is there a different way to set the "main screen" in xorg.conf?
[19:43] <Usagiakumu> ok I want the MS Office ribbon for open office that is really sexy awesome
[19:43] <xiambax> I get this error why i try to upgrade fglrx
[19:43] <xiambax> s/when
[19:43] <DanaG1> Move slowly to medium speed... it's like it's on molasses.   It worked before without any problem and as long as my main screen is the left screen, everything works fine
[19:44] <Usagiakumu> yeah I can so do that I mean I am going to change it so it isnt violating copyright
[19:44] <xiambax> So can anyone help me with that lil ole driver issue im having
[19:45] <Ken8521> daedeloth, hmm... not had any problem w/ it myself... i also have two dual screens.. you double check the driver is enabled?
[19:45] <daedeloth> yea, driver is enabled
[19:45] <daedeloth> but I have tripple screen, not sure if that matters :)
[19:45] <Ken8521> daedeloth, so what happens when you try to set your default display?
[19:46] <diwic> xiambax, report a bug in launchpad, that will add some important information for that error
[19:46] <Usagiakumu> cool thanks to whoever told me about the w7 transformation pack for the idea
[19:46] <daedeloth> I can't set my default display, I can only choose which one is number 0
[19:46] <daedeloth> when I set it to the most left screen, everything works fine
[19:46] <Usagiakumu> I dislike the OOo interface
[19:46] <daedeloth> no trouble at all
[19:46] <xiambax> diwic, link?
[19:46] <Ken8521> hmm
[19:46] <Usagiakumu> so I am going to change it lol
[19:46] <DanaG1> Now, is there some KDE or Gnome task-switcher thingy that acts like the win7 taskbar?
[19:46] <DanaG1> That is, you can pin stuff to it.
[19:46] <DanaG1> The "smooth-tasks" thing in KDE is very close.... just misses the ability to pin things.
[19:46] <Usagiakumu> I actually dont care for win7
[19:47] <IdleOne> DanaG1: Talika I think is what you mean
[19:47] <diwic> "ubuntu-bug fglrx" unless there is something automatically showing up when the upgrade fails
[19:47] <Usagiakumu> and I think Ubuntu would do well to keep the window borders gone from the desktop the new theme is beautiful
[19:47] <DanaG1> What's nice is if you set win7 to "small icons" and "group only when full": you get non-running things as icons, and running things as text.
[19:47] <DanaG1> er, as text+icons.
[19:48] <Vigo> DanaG1: Like a dock-bar?
[19:49] <DanaG1> http://www.brucebnews.com/2009/12/customize-windows-7-taskbar-expand-buttons/
[19:49] <DanaG1> Like the second pic here.... but with small icons instead.
[19:49] <DanaG1> Notice how Firefox is pinned, but not running.
[19:50] <Vigo> DanaG1: In Gnome?
[19:51] <DanaG1> I want that either for Gnome OR for KDE.
[19:51] <DanaG1> though, Gnome is preferred, for now.
[19:51] <Vigo> Ever looked at Desklets?
[19:51] <DanaG1> That looked mostly like widgets... not nearly the same.
[19:51] <DanaG1> And another thing that's nice in the win7 taskbar: the hover color is actually an AVERAGE of all the colors used in the icon!
[19:52] <Urda> Hellow! I need some support with installing Flash Player in 10.04 x64
[19:52] <Vigo> DanaG1: srry, gDesklets, >http://www.gdesklets.de/
[19:53] <Vigo> DanaG1: They are also in the Repositories.
[19:53] <DanaG1> http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/6832/windows7t.jpg
[19:53] <DanaG1> That's a better example.
[19:54] <Vigo> DanaG1: You could try Screenlets or gDesklets, there are many more also.
[19:54] <Urda> Argh wrong butotn! Anyway I need some help installing Flash for Firefox in Ubuntu 10.04
[19:54] <DanaG1> About the closest thing I've seen is this: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Smooth+Tasks?content=101586
[19:55] <coz_> I have a command to find only video ram size for nvidia cards...anyone know a command for intel  and also ati?
[19:56] <penguin42> coz_: I'd have a grub around /var/log/Xorg.0.log - I'm not sure exactly what I'd look for on each type
[19:56] <coz_> penguin42,  yeah I am looking for some command to print out ONLy the vram  like the one I have for nvidia
[19:58] <IdleOne> DanaG1: gnome-look has Talika which does that. I tried it yesterday for a bit
[19:58] <penguin42> coz_: Well on my machine with i945GM there's a line in the xorg.0.log that says (==) intel(0): VideoRam: 262144 KB  so grepping like that might be a good answer
[19:58] <IdleOne> they have a deb
[19:59] <DanaG1> Hmm, that doesn't have an option to "expand" running stuff.
[20:00] <IdleOne> DanaG1: I didn't try it for long. was just to help a user and then I removed
[20:00] <DanaG1> Looks good for my netbook, though.
[20:02] <DanaG1> heh, my wallpaper is a joke pic of "pedobear" (a 4chan meme) breaking through a thick glass "window" with the OS X wallpaper.
[20:02] <coz_> penguin42,  right ok   for me with nvidia  << presupposing nvclock is installed  the command that prints out only vram size is       nvclock -i | grep 'Amount:' | sed -e 's/.*: //'
[20:02] <DanaG1> Works surpisingly well with the Ubuntu orange icons.
[20:03] <taomaster>  anyone having an issue with the new iso image 10.4-rc not booting correctly
[20:03] <coz_> penguin42,  i was hoping for something similar for intel and  ati
[20:03] <Adnan_89> hii
[20:04] <penguin42> coz_: on Radeon it seems to be a bit confusing; on my Radeon machine it has 512M RAM, but only 256M is exposed on the PCI bar (due to a PCI restriction I heard?) - so in my dmesg are two conflicting messages: drm] radeon: 256M of VRAM memory ready    and     drm] radeon: 512M of GTT memory ready.     I don't actually know what GTT is
[20:05] <coz_> penguin42,    256mb is max 'prefetchable', which is not total vram, it is a function of the bios framebuffer
[20:06] <thieusoai> I compile my own kernel following the Ubuntu Kernel Compile document  (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile)  ... the cmd is something like
[20:06] <thieusoai> fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-some-string-here kernel-image kernel-headers
[20:06] <thieusoai> this creates 2 deb files   (image & header)  ,    problem is that it doesn't seem to create any initrd file
[20:06] <penguin42> coz_: Well not just prefetchable, mapped throguh to the host at all
[20:07] <thieusoai> is there something I did wrong ?
[20:07] <Adnan_89> can ancan any1 tell me how to rllback to ubuntu 9.1 after upggradation?
[20:08] <Adnan_89> can any1 tell me how to rllback to ubuntu 9.1 after upggradation?
[20:08] <coz_> penguin42,  understood... I was going by   lspci | grep -vga  and then  using that reference number example;  lspci -v -s 01:00.0   what spits out is only prefectable
[20:08] <ripps> Adnan_89: you can't downgrade. You would have to reinstall all of ubuntu.
[20:09] <ripps> !downgrade
[20:09] <Adnan_89> ok
[20:09] <Adnan_89> and why at the startup of system it gives blurred screen initially?/
[20:11] <Adnan_89> and why at the startup of system it gives blurred screen initially?
[20:13] <Adnan_89> #ubuntu+1
[20:13] <Adnan_89> and why at the startup of system it gives blurred screen initially?/
[20:13] <Adnan_89> hello
[20:13] <Adnan_89> anybody listening?
[20:14] <vish> !patience | Adnan_89
[20:14] <Adnan_89> ubottu
[20:14] <Adnan_89> ubottu : ?
[20:15] <Adnan_89> and why at the startup of system it gives blurred screen initially?/
[20:15] <vish> Adnan_89: pls stop doing that..
[20:15] <Sarvatt> thieusoai: it's a kernel-package 12.x change, man make-kpkg explains it but you need to set up the initrd hooks manually
[20:15] <Adnan_89> vish : what i did?
[20:15] <duffydack> Adnan_89, compiz?
[20:16] <Adnan_89> duffydack : why at the startup of system it gives blurred screen initially?
[20:16] <vish> Adnan_89: there is no need to keep repeating the question so frequently.. if no one knows on one will answer
[20:16] <thieusoai> Sarvatt, ic -- thanks  -- I didn't realize this
[20:17] <Adnan_89> duffydack : compiz?
[20:17] <duffydack> Adnan_89, is it enabled
[20:17] <Adnan_89> no
[20:17] <Adnan_89> duffydack : it didnt enabled 3d effects
[20:18] <yofel> Adnan_89: what do you mean with startup, before or after login?
[20:18] <Adnan_89> before
[20:18] <duffydack> Adnan_89, if its only for a second or 2 and ok now, dont worry about it.
[20:18] <Adnan_89> yofel : before
[20:18] <yofel> Adnan_89: what graphics driver are you using?
[20:19] <Adnan_89> duffydack : come again i dont get u
[20:19] <Adnan_89> yofel : S
[20:19] <Adnan_89> iS
[20:19] <Adnan_89> SIS
[20:20] <Adnan_89> yofel : sis
[20:20] <yofel> Adnan_89: and with blurred you mean that the splash screen is in 640x480 resolution?
[20:20] <yofel> Adnan_89: I heard you, I just can't write that fast, be patient
[20:20] <yofel> please
[20:21] <Adnan_89> no before login some blank screen type with lines moving fastly
[20:21] <Adnan_89> yofel : ok im sorry
[20:21] <yofel> ok, and what screen is blurred then?
[20:22] <Adnan_89> duffydack : what u wrote please explain
[20:22] <yofel> blurred ubuntu logo, blurred text that is shown, blurred login screen?
[20:23] <duffydack> Adnan_89, if your screen is only initially blurred, and is ok from then on, then dont worry about it..
[20:23] <duffydack> Adnan_89, its not something thats affecting you using your pc is it
[20:23] <Adnan_89> yofel : not actually blurred but something else
[20:24] <Adnan_89> yeah ok i also think that will not do harm
[20:24] <Adnan_89> can you help me in enabling extra effects(3d) in apperance tab?
[20:26] <Adnan_89> (12:54:51 AM) Adnan : can you help me in enabling extra effects(3d) in apperance tab?
[20:27] <Adnan_89> anybody?
[20:28] <duffydack> !compiz
[20:28] <TuxTaming> notification system broken in beta?
[20:29] <duffydack> Adnan_89, System, preferences, appearance, visual effects tab
[20:29] <Adnan_89> duffydack : yeah but when i click there it says desktop effect cant be enabled
[20:31] <Adnan_89> duffydack : yeah but when i click there it says desktop effect cant be enabled
[20:31] <duffydack> Adnan_89, need to enable the driver if there is one, in Hardware Drivers, in system, administration
[20:32] <Adnan_89> no one there
[20:32] <Adnan_89> duffydack : no one there
[20:32] <Adnan_89> only modem driver there
[20:33] <ratcheer> Adnan_89: I saw a thread about the same thing on ubuntuforums, this morning. I'll try to find it and post a link.
[20:34] <Adnan_89> ratcheer : thanks
[20:37] <ratcheer> Adnan_89: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1460951 but I don't see a final resolution.
[20:43] <mdlueck> In the Lucid partitioner, what does "Error! Unable to satisfy all constraints on the partition." mean?
[20:44] <mdlueck> I am trying to add Lucid to the free space at the end of a WinXP installation.
[20:44] <maco> possibly you tried to make the partition bigger than possible or to keep the data while changing the format?
[20:44] <penguin42> mdlueck: I don't know for sure, but my guess is that you've got a bunch of minimum sizes on partiions that add up to too big
[20:44] <real_ate> hi guys... is there anything i can do to figure out what went wrong with my lucid upgrade if i don't even get as far as a command prompt
[20:44] <real_ate> even in recovery mode
[20:44] <maco> also possible: you have too many primary partitions already?
[20:44] <mdlueck> 27926 free space, I was trying to make a 200M /boot partition
[20:45] <mdlueck> sda1 and sda5 are used, so that would be one pri and one logical
[20:45] <mdlueck> C: and D: for WinXP
[20:46] <bp0> why nvidia (current) now instead of actual version number
[20:46] <mdlueck> Further it says "can't have overlapping partitions"
[20:46] <ratcheer> mdlueck: It means the current partition boundaries do not meet the requirements for a Lucid partition.
[20:47] <ratcheer> mdlueck: I had the same problem trying to add a Lucid partition into Karmic free space.
[20:47] <mdlueck> Smells like a newly created bug to me! I have been (attempting) dual boot configs right along during Lucid testing
[20:48] <mdlueck> Grub2 has been the winer, never the partitioner
[20:48] <ratcheer> mdlueck No, it was a planned change. I don't understand why they did it either, but I guess they have their reasons.
[20:49] <mdlueck> ratcheer: What exactly are you referring to, please?
[20:50] <real_ate> i guess there is nothing I can do then ?
[20:50] <ratcheer> mdlueck It is hard to find. I found out about it in a response to a question on Launchpad.
[20:51] <mdlueck> ratcheer: Oh, I guess I could look there... any idea what keyword(s) turned it up for you?
[20:51] <MrKeuner> is evince better in lucid?
[20:52] <MrKeuner> I sent a pdf document to printer spool 5 minutes ago, still waiting... (karmic though)
[20:53] <ratcheer> mdlueck: "Windows (Vista/Win7) changed to an incompatible partitioning scheme.
[20:53] <ratcheer> Even WinXp isn't compatible any more. For compatibility reason lucid
[20:53] <ratcheer> will change to 1MiB alignment also."
[20:54] <mdlueck> So how is it possible to do a dual-boot?
[20:54]  * real_ate is not feeling helped :(
[20:56] <mdlueck> Shall I try the automatic "put Lucid behind Windows" option on the previous screen?
[20:56] <Quartz> bjsnider: I have copied the directory of rubyripper 0.5.7 compiled on 9.04 on my 10.04 machine and the behaviour is the same, it takes a very very long time to analyse the 2 extracts of a track :(
[20:57] <ratcheer> mdlueck: I had to create the partition with a Karmic CD, which worked fine with the old boundaries. Then, I was able to install Lucid to the new partition.
[20:57] <areichman> hello everybody. I just installed Lucid and am having some trouble getting audio working over hdmi. I've unmuted everything I can find and audio works from other sources but I'm not sure where to go from here
[20:58] <mdlueck> Oh puke!!! (head shaking)
[20:58] <ratcheer> mdlueck: I don't know the answer to your last question. I run Windows and Ubuntu on separate host machines.
[20:58] <mdlueck> I use Linux to image / deploy Windows...
[20:58] <mdlueck> HAFFA Dual-boot! It is my "maintenance partition" for Windows
[20:59] <sebsebseb> ok hi racecar56
[20:59] <racecar56> sebsebseb: hi
[20:59] <bjsnider> Quartz, ok, why don't you pm me your procedures and i'll do them here
[20:59] <sebsebseb> what they say is upgrade from  beta to final, and you get all the updates
[20:59] <sebsebseb> !upgrade
[20:59] <sebsebseb> uh wrong factoid
[20:59] <sebsebseb> anyway
[20:59] <racecar56> k
[21:00] <sebsebseb> right sure you get the updates, but
[21:00] <mdlueck> Once the image is created, then I use Linux to lay out the partitions... but getting there involves hand installs and official MS CD's.
[21:00] <real_ate> anyone know of a way to debug a kernal that doesn't get to a command prompt? i'm kinda stuck here and don't know what to do
[21:00] <sebsebseb> they might not have installed properly
[21:00] <racecar56> so just wait until 10.04 fine n' stable and it'd be better?
[21:00] <sebsebseb> so you don't get what your mean to have
[21:00] <racecar56> k
[21:00] <sebsebseb> from expereince of doing development versions  and upgrading them
[21:00] <racecar56> i'll wait for stable then
[21:01] <sebsebseb> I know that  installing the updates, won't  nessariely give the features your meant to have
[21:01] <sebsebseb> you said beta 2 to rc in in #ubuntu
[21:01] <sebsebseb> and something about that not working?
[21:01] <ratcheer> real_ate: Does it take you to a rescue prompt, or what?
[21:01] <racecar56> sebsebseb: like i use update-manager -d and it doesn't offer me anything
[21:01] <sebsebseb> racecar56: if someone has a clean install of the rc and then upgrade  it  to the final, I expect that will go rather well indeed,  since the rc and final will be rather similar
[21:02] <racecar56> sebsebseb: i guess it's for stable only
[21:02] <mdlueck> Yes, even that previous screen "Use the largest continuous free space" has the same error. I will open a bug in that case.
[21:02] <racecar56> sebsebseb: the update manager method
[21:02] <racecar56> sebsebseb: and -d is for stable to development
[21:02] <sebsebseb> racecar56: I think you got to change a setting maybe, so it will show Lucid
[21:02] <real_ate> ratcheer: nope... the only thing i can get it to do is ctl-alt-del to reboot ( didn't know that worked till now )
[21:02] <sebsebseb> racecar56: wait no
[21:02] <sebsebseb> racecar56: your running  beta 2 yes?
[21:02] <racecar56> sebsebseb: yea
[21:02] <pibarnas> hi folks, Ive just installed newer kubuntu iso (lucid) and got an authentication failed of main account in first boot... any ideas?
[21:03] <sebsebseb> racecar56: then just install the updates normalley
[21:03] <sebsebseb> and it should upgrade you to the RC
[21:03] <real_ate> ratcheer: and by rescue prompt i guess you mean recovery mode? selecting that on grub
[21:03] <racecar56> sebsebseb: k
[21:03] <sebsebseb> you know like you do for security updates in the stable distro
[21:03] <racecar56> sebsebseb: i do have some updates pending
[21:03] <sebsebseb> racecar56: just  those updates might not install properly for whatever reason/s since still development.  so a feature might   be lacking,  but probably not if you do it.
[21:04] <sebsebseb> even beta 2 is quite similar to the rc really
[21:04] <racecar56> k
[21:04] <ratcheer> real_ate: No, rescue prompt is for more serious problems than recovery mode. It basically means it can't find a valid bootable partition. But, you're not even getting that!
[21:05] <racecar56> it's because i noticed transmission saying that the download wasn't authorized and i knew what that meant due to one of my other comps doing that when the ubuntu 10.04 beta got thrown into the void and beta2 coming out
[21:05] <racecar56> that's how i noticed
[21:05] <sebsebseb> ratcheer:  uhmm it seems that Ubuntu doesn't have recovery mode anymore starting with 10.04?
[21:05] <racecar56> sebsebseb: really? i have it...
[21:05] <sebsebseb> racecar56: oh ok
[21:05] <racecar56> sebsebseb: and it's a fresh install too
[21:06] <sebsebseb> I thought I read before that it woudn't be there for whatever reason/s
[21:06] <real_ate> ratcheer: the debug output for when i select recovery mode shows that i am booting fine(ish)
[21:06] <sebsebseb> and Grub doesn't show or doesn't show for long in my vm's, well I could change, but can't be bothered to
[21:06] <ratcheer> sebsebseb: No, Lucid definitely has recovery mode. I have used it many times.
[21:06] <real_ate> i can see "running /script/local-premount"
[21:06] <sebsebseb> racecar56: anyway great if 10.04  has recovery mode
[21:06] <hudnix> Does anyone know why, after updating, my window decorations have been reset to some basic setting and ignore any changes I make in sysem settings?
[21:06] <real_ate> "running /scripts/init-bottom ..."
[21:06] <sebsebseb> hudnix: upgrading  from 9.10?
[21:06] <racecar56> sebsebseb: i've been using it often due to updating grub, installing grub, etc due to me setting up quad-boot (yes, quad-boot)
[21:07] <BUGabundo> even|ng
[21:07] <BUGabundo> how are my babies doing ?
[21:07] <real_ate> ratcheer: it stops after mounting all my filesystems
[21:07] <racecar56> sebsebseb: Windows isn't in there though ;)
[21:07] <hudnix> sebsebseb:  actually I had already upgraded to the RC, this is after just doing updates this morning.
[21:07] <duffydack> I thought empathy would use the avatar pic Ive set in the MeMenu
[21:07] <hudnix> I'm in KDE, btw.
[21:07] <duffydack> meh
[21:08] <sebsebseb> hudnix: sometimes development version upgrades, will change  things that the user has changed
[21:08] <sebsebseb> hudnix: I mean when it comes to looks,  customization of Gnome that kind of thing
[21:08] <racecar56> i burned ubuntu 10.04 beta 2 to a DVD because i didn't have a 700MB CD-RW handy :P
[21:08] <sebsebseb> hudnix: oh KDE
[21:08] <hudnix> sebsebseb: actually, this is in KDE. And I don't mind it changing, but nothing I do will change it back.
[21:08] <sebsebseb> not sure, but I guess KDE 4.4. got a bit updated, and something was installed that changed whatever you set up
[21:09] <ratcheer> real_ate: Sounds like the stuff where everyone is complaining about plymouth. Personally, I would try a reinstall. But that's up to you.
[21:09] <sebsebseb> hudnix: anyway  you haven't been 100% clear what problem you have,  plus  I probably can't really help you anyway since...
[21:09] <sebsebseb> hudnix: someone else may be able to in a bit though
[21:10] <hudnix> sebsebseb: according to the system settings dialog, they haven't changed at all! but ok, I'll ask again later.
[21:10] <sebsebseb> hudnix: right well, I was only guessing what your problem  might be
[21:11] <vish> !test
[21:12] <racecar56> all of a sudden i remembered why ubuntu+1 exists :p
[21:12] <real_ate> ratcheer: plymouth?
[21:12] <visor> hi everybody
[21:12] <racecar56> hi
[21:12] <visor> gwibber doesnt show any tweets even when properly configured on Lucid beta 2 though I just updated all packages yesterday so I guess I have RC already installed, anybody has had the same problem?
[21:13] <visor> I don't really want to install any AIR app so I'd rather make gwibber work
[21:13] <ratcheer> real_ate: Yes, a new required program that runs mountall and gives the Lucid purple splash screen. A lot of people hate it, but it works fine, for me.
[21:13] <real_ate> ratcheer: is there anything i can try... i'm on a notebook and don't have a cd drive :(
[21:14] <racecar56> real_ate: unetbootin and a USB flash drive?
[21:14] <ratcheer> real_ate: Can you make a bootable USB flash drive?
[21:14] <racecar56> real_ate: ...and some patience downloading ubuntu -__-
[21:14] <racecar56> !enter > racecar56
[21:14] <Ken8521> lol
[21:15] <racecar56> i fussed at myself for using enter too much
[21:15] <real_ate> ratcheer: don't think I have a big enough usb :(
[21:15] <racecar56> real_ate: only needs to be 700+ MB, if that
[21:15] <racecar56> real_ate: you sure?
[21:15] <real_ate> 65MB :P
[21:16] <Ken8521> ?? how old is that thing, 20yrs?
[21:16] <racecar56> real_ate: :p
[21:16] <racecar56> Ken8521: probably about 6 years
[21:16] <real_ate> lol
[21:16] <Ken8521> geez, i've not saw 64mb thumb drives in a while.
[21:16] <Ken8521> heck, even 512mb are uncommon nowdays
[21:17] <racecar56> yea
[21:17] <real_ate> well its one of those promotional ones
[21:17] <racecar56> i have a 512 and 64 mb flash drive, the 64mb one's USB plug broke off though :(
[21:18] <real_ate> from someone's publicity department that must have just moved up from giving out rotten tomatoes
[21:18] <real_ate> and haven't learned their lesson ;)
[21:18] <Quietstorm> hello everybody
[21:18] <Ken8521> i bought 4 2gigs for $20 on sale at best buy a few years ago.
[21:18] <Ken8521> they work fine.
[21:19] <real_ate> anyways... thanks everyone... chat to you later... got to go
[21:19] <Ken8521> greetings Quietstorm
[21:21] <Quietstorm> so how are you ken?
[21:22] <racecar56> Ken8521: one of my 4 GB ones died :|
[21:22] <Ken8521> :(
[21:23] <yofel> my 1GB is useless for ubuntu for some reason, I can't find data corruption when I use it, but I get crap when I try to boot from it
[21:24] <Quietstorm> I've pretty good luck with my lexar usb but wish I would've got the 8gb instead of the 4gb
[21:24] <racecar56> yofel: source ISO is bad?
[21:24] <switchgirl> Bug #569543  is very annoying
[21:24] <ensignkim> how can you tell which version of ubuntu you're running, e.g. beta-1, beta-2, RC etc. - this doesn't show up with lsb_release?
[21:25] <yofel> racecar56: no, I tried many different ones, boot sector to often written to I guess
[21:25] <yofel> *too often
[21:25] <Alfihar> hi everyone, I'm trying to install 10.04 RC and I need to set grub to be installed into a partition rather than the mbr, however it doesn't seem to list the partition for Ubuntu, well there is a /dev/sda-1 entry which causes the OK button to be greyed out, along with /dev/sda and two other partitions which are for another OS.
[21:26] <yofel> ensignkim: RC will show as 'lsb_release -d'  Description:    Ubuntu 10.04 LTS
[21:26] <switchgirl> Alfihar, install on all of them
[21:26] <yofel> ensignkim: alpha and beta as Description:    Ubuntu lucid (development branch)
[21:27] <Ken8521> you can also lsb_release -a
[21:27] <Ken8521> Alfihar, sorry, i'm no help, i've never put grub on its own partition... why not just put it on the mbr?
[21:27] <Alfihar> switchgirl: what do you mean, you can only select one location to install the boot loader from the dropdown menu
[21:27] <yofel> Ken8521: that doesn't tell you anything more that's helpful, as only -d is different
[21:27] <ensignkim> yofel: cheers. is the RC the *actual* finished LTS release?
[21:28] <Ken8521> yofel, i didn't suggest it did.
[21:28] <yofel> ensignkim: not quite,  at least the ISO is missing quite a few bugfixes
[21:28] <yofel> Ken8521: well yes, I found -d to be more topic-focused
[21:28] <switchgirl> wheres the grub installed? use that
[21:28] <yofel> that's all
[21:29] <racecar56> release will be soon :)
[21:29] <Alfihar> Ken8521: Unfortunately I need to keep the other boot loader on the MBR otherwise Hibernation fails in the other OS, also some issues with decrypting the partition.
[21:29] <Ken8521> hmm
[21:30] <Alfihar> switchgirl: grub isn't installed anywhere yet, and I can't select the Ubuntu partition where it will be installed
[21:30] <ojii> good evening everyone
[21:30] <racecar56> hi
[21:30] <yofel> Alfihar: grub2 indee didn't support installing to a partition for a long time, I'm not sure if it does now actually
[21:30] <Quietstorm> hi
[21:30] <ojii> how/where can I set SCIM as my default input method for all 'input fields'?
[21:31] <racecar56> i use GPT with a bios boot partition on /dev/sda1
[21:33] <Alfihar> I'm not sure what partition table I have at the moment
[21:33] <Alfihar> yofel: I'm just going to check but I'm sure it worked in 9.10
[21:33] <Alfihar> with grub2
[21:33] <racecar56> i like GPT because i use quad-boot and i don't want the limits of MBR
[21:34] <Alfihar> whats the easiest way of checking what partition table you have
[21:34] <monkey_dust> hi all, are the minim, maxim and close buttons in lucid on the left or the right? -- has it changed again?
[21:34] <Ken8521> Alfihar, sudo fdisk -l i think
[21:35] <yofel> Alfihar: you could ask in #ubuntu-installer or in -devel what happened, or confirm bug 559783
[21:35] <Alfihar> thanks I'll try that in a sec once the livecd has booted
[21:35] <yofel> brb
[21:35] <Quietstorm> how do I change the color of my text here?
[21:36] <penguin42> you don't
[21:36] <ropetin> Any suggestions on how I can troubleshoot a hard lock condition?  My netbook (with Lucid) keeps randomly freezing, with no apparent trigger or pattern
[21:36] <Ken8521> Quietstorm, you *probably* can in the prefrences of your client(whatever that may be) but why would you want to?
[21:36] <monkey_dust> Quietstorm, it seems to me, that it depends on your irc client
[21:37] <Quietstorm> I have xchat
[21:37] <Ken8521> xchat is nice... for sure
[21:38] <Ken8521> i'd love to figure out irssi some day.
[21:38] <racecar56> Alfihar: sudo parted DRIVE p
[21:38] <Quietstorm> I just discovered the chatrooms last night and so this is new to me
[21:38] <racecar56> Alfihar: e.g. sudo parted /dev/sda p; this method works on gpt too
[21:38] <monkey_dust> i use smuxi
[21:38] <penguin42> ropetin: It can be quite difficult; when it locks does *anything* still work ? i.e. does it ping, does caps lock work? Does ctrl-alt-f1 work?
[21:38] <Ken8521> never heard of smuxi
[21:39] <ropetin> Nothing works (mouse doesn't move, capslock light doesn't go on or off)
[21:39] <monkey_dust> hi all, are the minim, maxim and close buttons in lucid on the left or the right? -- has it changed again?
[21:39] <Quietstorm> just installed 10.04 B3 2 days ago
[21:39] <Ken8521> ropetin, hae you tried doing a clean install of the RC?
[21:39] <Alfihar> just checked GRUB2 in 9.10 does allow for sda5. sudo parted /dev/sda p says I have an msdos partition table
[21:39] <visor> seems my gwibber problems have to do with nameserver resolution... if anybody has the same problem the fault is of /etc/resolv.conf which adds the domain name of my router and the NS lookups takes so long that they timeout... wasnt this fixed already?
[21:40] <ropetin> Ken8521: No, it's actually upgraded from Karmic, which never had any issues.  You think that might be what is required?
[21:40] <maco> visor: you could use a different nameserver if your router is slow about resoution
[21:40] <maco> <IP_ADDRESS> is opendns's
[21:40] <Ken8521> ropetin, i don't know.. but who knwos, maybe something went haywire in the upgrade process, wouldnt be the first time
[21:40] <ropetin> Ken8521: :)  True enough
[21:41] <Quietstorm> I like xchat but the move from windoze will be a challenge
[21:41] <maco> visor: your router is probably setup to set itself as the dns host for anything that connects to it. you can change it in your router's settings
[21:41] <Ken8521> Quietstorm, why's that?
[21:41] <visor> maco: but how? Is there an option to change NetworkManager so it doesnt add "nameserver belking" at the beginning of the resolv.conf file?
[21:41] <Ken8521> what does xchat have to do with windows?
[21:41] <maco> visor: its adding that because your router is setup to *push* that to everything that connects to it
[21:42] <visor> maco: mmm will try that, its an ISP cheap router so I'm not sure if thats doable but I'll try, thanks :)
[21:42] <bjsnider> !info ruby lucid
[21:42] <bjsnider> !info ruby karmic
[21:42] <BUGabundo> The program 'pidgin' is writing to file '2010-04-24.205836+0100WEST.txt' on /dev/sda2.
[21:42] <BUGabundo> This prevents the disk from going to powersave mode.
[21:42] <Quietstorm> I meant the experience as a whole, I'm still trying to learn the terminal
[21:43] <racecar56> BUGabundo: chat logging?
[21:43] <Ken8521> BUGabundo, sounds like something to do w/ logging
[21:43] <BUGabundo> just sounds weirds
[21:43] <BUGabundo> *weird
[21:43] <BUGabundo> boo
[21:43] <visor> maco: sadly, it doesnt have it... I guess I'll have to find another workaround
[21:46] <Quietstorm> I'm new to the whole unbuntu experience
[21:47] <Ken8521> Quietstorm, we all were at one time... best thing to do, is dual boot, so you have windows to fall back on, and address problems as they come up.
[21:48] <Ken8521> no atter how much you like it, absolutely, do not just take over your whole drive w/ ubuntu after a day
[21:49] <DanaG1> ANother reason to do so: in case ubuntu breaks, you can boot Windows to find out how to fix it.
[21:51] <Ken8521> DanaG1, in 6yrs, I've never had Linux break, that it wasn't 100% my fault
[21:51] <Ken8521> alpha's/beta's excluded of course
[21:51] <Quietstorm> I tried 8.05 but lost interest when I didn't have much success at ubuntu forums
[21:52] <maco> i had a stable release break one time. in 2006. and the fact that old kernels are preserved meant i just had to boot the previous kernel and keep going
[21:52] <maco> (i've never dual booted)
[21:52] <maco> sorry thats a lie. ive never dual booted *with a proprietary OS*
[21:53] <maco> i did quad boot with edgy, feisty, fedora core 6, and sabayon once. and i once dual booted ubuntu and debian
[21:53] <switchgirl> What is the best format for a seagate hard drive for storing media - ie mp3's device supports ext4 ext2 ext3 FAT xfs reiserfs ntfs minix swap space (250gb of swap lmao i guess not) or empty
[21:53] <Quietstorm> they weren't bad people but I felt looked down at because of being a noobie
[21:53] <maco> Quietstorm: did you go in the absolute beginner section? thats the nice part of the forum
[21:54] <Quietstorm> yeah, this was years ago but the answer I got was RTFM, whatever that means
[21:54] <maco> switchgirl: if windows needs to talk to it to, ntfs. otherwise... meh. obviously not swap as thats not for storing files. fat cant go larger than 4gb so not that. ext2's unjournalled so if you crash it falls over (though i suspect you'll write once read much so not so much of a problem)
[21:54] <maco> Quietstorm: it means "read the f******* manual"
[21:55] <rascal999> is it out?
[21:55] <maco> rascal999: a week!
[21:55] <rascal999> maco: i know i know ;)
[21:55] <maco> Quietstorm: if anyone ever says that to you again on the forums, report the post. one of the mods will whack them with a stick
[21:55] <rascal999> is this the channel to be on release day?
[21:55] <maco> rascal999: no thats #ubuntu-release-party
[21:55] <hellyeah_> hey
[21:56] <hellyeah_> anyone out there
[21:56] <maco> nobody here but us chickens
[21:56] <Quietstorm> I'll remember that. maco
[21:56] <maco> (and im saying that as one of the mods :P)
[21:56] <hellyeah_> some compiz plugin works some is not
[21:57] <hellyeah_> i am using ubuntu lucid
[21:59] <Quietstorm> I was able to learn some things reading stickys but if something went south and there was no sticky then I either reloaded it completely or utimately went back to windoze but I don't like it rea;;y
[22:00] <binspace_> hello, I'm running 10.04. On 9.04 I could change the positions of the windows using the keypad (upper left, upper, upper right, etc). I cannot find the option in compiz on 10.04. Has it gone away?
[22:00] <binspace_> I mean 9.10
[22:01] <Quietstorm> I don't solving problems but it's hard starting from ground zero and people on a forum saying that I should know how to do it.
[22:01] <guntbert> Quietstorm:  Do you have an ubuntu support question? random chatter goes to #ubuntu-offtopic please
[22:02] <Alfihar> hmm I can tell the installer to install the boot loader to either of my windows partitions, but even now that I've setup the Linux partitions manually and they show up in the list when selected the OK button is greyed out. At-least the /dev/sda-1 entry has disappeared.
[22:02] <binspace_> I think it's called the grid plugin. I wonder where it went.
[22:02] <Quietstorm> sorry gun, new to this.
[22:03] <Jake2|cfl> Earlier I was talking about grabbing window edges being hard. See https://bugs.launchpad.net/metacity/+bug/160311/comments/11
[22:03] <hellyeah_> hey
[22:03] <hellyeah_> i need help
[22:03] <Jake2|cfl> been known since 2007?
[22:03] <yofel> Quietstorm: if you're new please read the channel guidelines in the /topic too, helps to be taken seriously ;)
[22:04] <Ashex> Unable to get to installer with Kubuntu disc. Believe its an issue with X
[22:04] <Ashex> What's the flag for safe graphics mode?
[22:06] <Quietstorm> thanks yofel, where do I find the guidelines? sorry for the noob question
[22:06] <yofel> Quietstorm: enter '/topic' in your message line, it will show the channel topic
[22:07] <ojii> is rhythmbox broken for everyone else too?
[22:07] <yofel> ojii: broken it what way?
[22:07] <ojii> yofel, can't start it
[22:08] <hasenj> hi
[22:08] <hasenj> I upgraded to lucid beta 2
[22:08] <ojii> yofel, http://dpaste.com/187362/
[22:08] <duffydack> My button 6 or button7  Icant remember worked in karmic but is not recognised in lucid..
[22:08] <hasenj> and now I can't run postgres 8.3
[22:08] <Quietstorm> ok yofel, this is for lucid lynx.
[22:08] <hasenj> I can run 8.4, which I don't mind
[22:09] <lnostdal> hi, how do i remove pulseaudio from lucid? .. it still doesn't work proper with wine-based software and i need that to work proper
[22:09] <hasenj> except my "old" databases are gone!
[22:09] <lnostdal> (been at this since 8.04 btw. .. tired)
[22:09] <duffydack> basically, I have left, right, middle, middle scroll (4,5) and another one behind it which goes back a page in firefox etc.. so it is detected but for compiz its not using it..
[22:09] <yofel> Quietstorm: please read the irc guidelines link too, those are valid for all ubuntu channels
[22:09] <hasenj> anyone has any ideas?
[22:09] <hasenj> postgresql-8.3 is not in the repositories any more
[22:10] <hasenj> in `aptitude search` it's marked as 'c'
[22:10] <ojii> lnostdal, have you tried running your wine apps with padsp? that solve the issues i had back when i still used wine stuff
[22:11] <Quietstorm> thanks yofel, I have them up and reading them.
[22:11] <lnostdal> yes, i gotta do that to get sound at all, ojii .. but as soon as i run more than one app. via padsp everything .. becomes .. all .. jerky ..  ... not usable
[22:12] <yofel> hasenj: seems to have been removed at some point, just looking if I can find out why
[22:13] <hasenj> yofel: thanks
[22:14] <lnostdal> i just want to get rid of it .. killall -9 pulseaudio  ..but it just spawns again