[03:07] <mklange1959> New install Kubuntu on older Compaq machine with HP monitor - display is screwed up and not showing any intelligible information after user logging in.  Are there recommendations for what I need to do to get display settings correct?
[03:08] <arraybolt3[m]> mklange1959: Intel, nVidia, or AMD graphics?
[03:08] <mklange1959> Intel VGA graphics
[03:08] <arraybolt3[m]> Also, Kubuntu version would be helpful.
[03:08] <arraybolt3[m]> mklange1959: And what make and model is the system? Dell Inspiron 7000, or something like that.
[03:09] <mklange1959> Sorry, Kubuntu 22.04 LTS
[03:10] <arraybolt3[m]> mklange1959: My immediate suspicion is a kernel issue - I've faced Intel graphics problems on one version of Ubuntu that vanished on another version. You might try using Kubuntu 20.04 and see how that works, though if I know exactly what system you're using, I may be able to find a different solution.
[03:11] <arraybolt3[m]> mklange1959: If this is custom-built or something, the CPU version would be helpful (like "i5-12600K")
[03:15] <mklange1959> Compaq SR5710F and it looks like it has Nvidea Graphics card.  It's re-booting; I'll have to hunt for the CPU version.  It is an AMD processor.  During the install process, an d reboot process, the display has been very flaky
[03:17] <arraybolt3[m]> Aha. OK, once you get it booted back up, see if you can switch to a TTY (press Ctrl+Alt+F3). If so, type your username and password to log in, and you should be able to install the nVidia drivers from there.
[03:17] <mklange1959> Thanks for your help arraybolt3.   I'll give that a shot.
[03:17] <arraybolt3[m]> Once you're into the terminal, can you type "lspci | nc termbin.com 9999" and then send the URL that it spits out? That will tell me all the devices in your system, including your nVidia card, allowing me to find the right driver for it.
[03:21] <oerheks> GeForce 6150SE integrated? not much we can do as it uses nouveau, and not capable of running youtube properly
[03:21] <oerheks> https://support.hp.com/nz-en/document/c01616202
[03:23] <mklange1959> I'll do that.  On boot, I'm getting an error, pointing to the GPU directory saying an exponent value of -1 is encountered.   It is sending termbin.com/h9ft
[03:24] <arraybolt3[m]> mklange1959: Crud. That system is so old that the official nvidia driver for it is no longer supported...
[03:24] <oerheks> running a lightweight flavor of ubuntu might give a little bit better picture, but not really
[03:25] <arraybolt3[m]> oerheks: Do USB video cards work with Ubuntu?
[03:26] <mklange1959> Well, there we are then.  Thanks for the help.  This is not a full catastrophe; I was doing this as an experiment to set up a linux PC running my CAD program and then access via remote terminal from an iMac.  This PC was available to test the concept; apparently I'm out of luck from that standpoint.  I'm glad I asked people who know what they
[03:26] <mklange1959> are doing rather than fooling around with this with no clear path to a solution.
[03:26] <oerheks> sure, if it gives usb2
[03:27] <mklange1959> Would a USB video card be a low-cost option to continue experimentation?
[03:27] <oerheks> downside is the 10 mbit networking.. else it could be a server
[03:28] <oerheks> oh, up to 100 too...
[03:30] <arraybolt3[m]> mklange1959: That's what I'm thinking.
[03:31] <arraybolt3[m]> mklange1959: If you need to test Linux, you can test it on the hardware you intend to ultimately use it on with a second USB drive. Flash the ISO to one drive, boot from it, plug in the other drive, then install to the second USB drive. Make sure to not accidentally overwrite your internal drive, and bam, you have a full installation of Linux on a USB drive.
[03:32] <arraybolt3[m]> mklange1959: If all works well from the USB drive, then it will almost certainly work well installed onto the internal drive.
[03:35] <mklange1959> I don't have the hardware that I would use for this application yet.  I wanted to make sure the idea would work before buying a new computer.    With these USB video adapters, will that get detected on OS install or on boot?  This might be a low cost test -- looks like Amazon has a USB 2 adapter for about $50.   Apologies for all the
[03:35] <mklange1959> questions, I haven't messed with this stuff for a few years
[03:35] <arraybolt3[m]> mklange1959: Don't be sorry, the whole point of a support forum is to ask questions!
[03:37] <mklange1959> If I do try the USB video adapter, do I need to remove the Nvidia card?
[03:37] <arraybolt3[m]> mklange1959: I don't think so, but I'm seeing that the card I'm looking at says you should have a GPU already in it, which makes me think this might not work...
[03:38] <arraybolt3[m]> mklange1959: Is your iMac Intel based? If so, you might be able to install VirtualBox on it and do all your Linux fiddling in there.
[03:38] <arraybolt3[m]> mklange1959: You would just make a virtual machine (think a fake computer inside a computer), install Linux into the VM without messing up macOS, and then be able to use macOS and Linux on the same system at the same time.
[03:40] <mklange1959> My iMac is Intel based and I'm running linux under VMware.  It runs my CAD program right now - and Kubuntu works well with it.  However, the CAD vendor is stating that the next major upgrade will require direct graphics hardware acceleration which VMware does not provide.  Thus my thought on getting a dedicated machine with a graphics card and
[03:40] <mklange1959> then running it from the iMac via remote terminal
[03:41] <arraybolt3[m]> mklange1959: Even VMware's 3D acceleration capabilities aren't going to work? That's crummy.
[03:42] <mklange1959> That's the unknown unknown.  I know that they don't currently work with the existing versions of the CAD program.
[03:43] <mklange1959> ... and I'm not sure that the Apple OS provides VMware with the needed access to the graphics card to run 3D acceleration properly
[03:44] <arraybolt3[m]> mklange1959: Possibly silly, but can you check with your CAD vendor and ask if Parallels Desktop's hardware acceleration works with their newer software under Linux? They seem to have 3D VM performance on macOS down to a science - even games are able to work in it, so it might be good enough for CAD.
[03:45] <mklange1959> I've spoken with the CAD developer, they don't recommend running their software in a virtual machine for that reason.   Oh, Parallels, that might be an option.  I'll have to check into that.  Thanks for the suggestion.  Appreciate that.   Thanks for your time.  Looks like I have some things I can now check.
[03:46] <arraybolt3[m]> mklange1959: Yeah, sure. Also, can you tell me the name of your CAD software? I might be able to check and see something real quick.
[03:46] <arraybolt3[m]> mklange1959: I'm thinking, if you do get a new Linux PC, go for AMD graphics, since those have a reputation for working better. If your software is compatible with AMD on Linux, that would possibly be a good option.
[03:48] <mklange1959> I'm using VariCAD.  I'll definitely keep that in mind to go with AMD graphics
[03:49] <mklange1959> VariCAD is found at varicad.com
[03:50] <mklange1959> My iMac is running a Radeon Pro 580, it's a late 2018 model
[03:53] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, nice. I'm seeing VariCAD required OpenGL, and I also see people say that AMD's OpenGL performance is lacking, so despite the fact that AMD is usually the way to go on Linux, I'm going to risk saying to try... ugh... nVidia.
[03:53] <arraybolt3[m]> Part of me thinks that, if AMD is working now, it should keep working, but if they're doing upgrades, I'd hate for something to go awry. I
[03:53] <arraybolt3[m]> I'm having good results with my nVidia 1050 Ti, FWIW.
[03:54] <arraybolt3[m]> Anyway, some more stuff to think about. I may have just complicated everything at this point, but hopefully that should help you.
[03:58] <mklange1959> Nope, this was very helpful.  I'm going to sign off for now and go ponder my options.  Thanks!
[03:58] <arraybolt3[m]> 👍
[05:55] <user|83> kde 5.25 install
[12:07] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:16] <Guest59> Im sorry for my ignorance, but I am having some issues with a fresh kubuntu install and was wondering if anyone here might be able to offer me some advice
[13:17] <Guest59> I am not experienced in linux at all.
[13:17] <Guest59> From the little bit of info I was able to gather from the internet, I think I might be looking at a bad Nvidia driver issue.
[13:18] <Guest59> After the fresh install, I either get stuck on a mobo splash screen, or stuck at {ok} finished terminate plymouth boot screen
[13:19] <Guest59> I am here now using the try kubuntu feature from the installation media and was wondering if it is possible to install a working driver on my ssd from this trial media
[13:20] <tomreyn> hi Guest59
[13:20] <Guest59> hello
[13:21] <tomreyn> try booting normally, but hit escape until you see a text menu which says GRUB on top, or a "grub>" prompt
[13:22] <tomreyn> if you get to the "grub>" prompt, type "normal" and press enter, which brings you to said text menu with GRUB on top
[13:22] <tomreyn> from there, select the "failsafe graphics" option
[13:22] <tomreyn> it's in the "Advanced" sumenu, i think
[13:22] <tomreyn> *submenu
[13:23] <Guest59> stand by, I need to write this down as i dont have any way of taking a screenshot at the moment
[13:24] <tomreyn> Guest59: if you have another device to connect here, this will be much easier
[13:25] <Guest59> im about to plug in my work phone now to charge.  this is a bad week for tech for me.  I think the machines are rising up in revolt
[13:29] <Guest59> im going to try to log into this chat on my work phone
[13:29] <tomreyn> very well
[13:30] <tomreyn> can you confirm that you installed kubuntu 22.04 ? or was it another?
[13:30] <Guest59> Fair warning, I cant type for shite on a touchscreen. It is really bad.
[13:30] <Guest59> yes I downloaded the iso from the website a few weeks ago and just installed it last night
[13:30] <Guest59> 22.04
[13:31] <tomreyn> okay, i'll install a copy in a Vm here meanwhile
[13:31] <Guest59> ok thanks.  During the install I did check the box for installing third party drivers etc
[13:32] <Guest59> I was hoping that would have negated this issue
[13:32] <tomreyn> it should have. if you can tell which nvidia graphics card you have, this may help, too
[13:32] <Guest59> ok thats me on my phone, guest 45
[13:32] <tomreyn> hi #2
[13:32] <Guest59> evga gtx 1080 hybrid
[13:33] <Guest59> im going to reboot and communicate on my phone now
[13:33] <tomreyn> wait a second
[13:33] <Guest59> ok
[13:33] <tomreyn> if the live system is still live, run this in a terminal (konsole):   lspci -knnv | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:34] <tomreyn> this will try to post info on your PCI bus + hardware online
[13:34] <tomreyn> and you can then post the link here
[13:35] <Guest59> https://termbin.com/pj9uo
[13:37] <tomreyn> Guest59: also this (just one line):   journalctl -b | grep DMI:
[13:38] <Guest59>                Jun 19 12:35:26 kubuntu kernel: DMI: ASUS System Product Name/ROG CROSSHAIR VII HERO (WI-FI), BIOS 4402 06/28/2021
[13:38] <tomreyn> looks like your phone lost connection
[13:39] <Guest59> yeah it timed out since you told me to stay here
[13:39] <tomreyn> right, sorry. ;-)
[13:39] <tomreyn> you can reboot now, i fouy like
[13:39] <tomreyn> if you like
[13:39] <Guest59> ok so do i start hitting escape on the uefi splash screen?
[13:39] <tomreyn> yes
[13:40] <Guest59> ok
[13:40] <Guest59> let me log back in with the phone
[13:40] <Guest45> Yeah ok back
[13:40] <tomreyn> very well
[13:42] <Guest45> Ok I have grub>
[13:42] <tomreyn> Hmm, maybe the "safe graphics" option only exists on the installer
[13:42] <tomreyn> but we'll see
[13:42] <tomreyn> so type "normal"
[13:44] <Guest45> Stuck on the republic of gamers (mono) splash screen
[13:44] <Guest45> Mobo
[13:45] <tomreyn> hmm, see if you have a bios option which says "full screen logo show" and disable it
[13:46] <Guest45> I did that once last night I’ll reboot and do it again.
[13:48] <Guest45> When I reboot should I go to grub again
[13:50] <Guest45> It’s just hung on a black screen now
[13:51] <tomreyn> Guest45: yes, if you can go to grub, do that
[13:52] <Guest45> I’m in grub now in advanced looking at 4 different Ubuntu versions to choose from
[13:52] <tomreyn> it will really be just two, each with or without "(recovery)", right?
[13:53] <Guest45> Well yes
[13:53] <tomreyn> did it start up fine the first time after you installed?
[13:53] <Guest45> No I went to grub typed normal
[13:53] <Guest45> hit enter and it hung on a black screen
[13:54] <tomreyn> i mean after you installed kubuntu 22.04 on this computer, you rebooted, and then, did it boot up to desktop then once, or never?
[13:55] <Guest45> After install it rebooted to either a kibbutz or Ubuntu splash screen I can’t remember which, said remove installation media and hit enter.   So I did, and it has never completed a boot since
[13:56] <Guest45> Sorry kubuntu
[13:56] <Guest45> Auto incorrect struck again
[13:56] <tomreyn> alright
[13:56] <tomreyn> have you considered installing the latest bios upgrade? https://rog.asus.com/uk/motherboards/rog-crosshair/rog-crosshair-vii-hero-wi-fi-model/helpdesk_bios you are on version 4402 (06/28/2021), but there is version 4703 (2022-03-07)
[13:57] <arraybolt3[m]> Word of warning - make sure a BIOS update won't make your CPU no longer compatible.
[13:57] <arraybolt3[m]> (Saw that happen to a guy in #ubuntu the other day.)
[13:57] <Guest45> It was brought to my attention last night, and I can. I just didn’t think it would matter that much seeing as I updated it last June but yes I can try that
[13:57] <tomreyn> Guest45: we can try something else first
[13:57] <Guest45> Well last June I had to update so that I could upgrade from my 2700x to the 5950x
[13:58] <Guest45> So I don’t know if a new update would be an issue
[13:58] <tomreyn> not normally
[13:58] <tomreyn> but there can be exceptions, such as wehn you have an old cpu on a newer mainboard
[13:58] <Guest45>  I have since built a new rig and moved the 5950x over to that one putting the 2700x back in this one
[13:58] <Guest45> Oh no this board was build specifically for this chip
[13:59] <tomreyn> so, for now, can you boot the newer kernel version, and there the "recovery" option?
[13:59] <tomreyn> does this give you something other than a black / logo screen?
[13:59] <Guest45> The -39 as opposed to the -25
[14:00] <Guest45> Losing ramdisk, I don’t know how long this would take
[14:00] <Guest45> Loading
[14:01] <tomreyn> shopuld not take longer than a second at most
[14:01] <Guest45> Then it is hung up.  I did the non recovery first
[14:02] <tomreyn> okay, can you do the recovery, as i suggested
[14:02] <arraybolt3[m]> Guest45: Is it still stuck loading? If so, that's not normal. It shouldn't take more than a few seconds for the ramdisk to load.
[14:02] <Guest45> I was confused you worded as do them both
[14:02] <Guest45> I’ll reboot and do it again from the recovery
[14:02] <tomreyn> sorry if i phrased it badly, still learning english
[14:04] <Guest45> No worries you are giving me your time I’m not going to complain
[14:04] <tomreyn> :)
[14:04] <tomreyn> it'll be either secureboot or cpu microcode
[14:04] <Guest45> I hit escape too many times what command will get me back to the grub menu
[14:05] <tomreyn> "normal"
[14:05] <tomreyn> without the quotes
[14:06] <Guest45> Ok it’s at the recovery console now
[14:07] <Guest45> Should I repair packages or update bootloader?
[14:08] <tomreyn> Guest45: select fsck, clean, then network, then root
[14:09] <Guest45> Ok I’m in root
[14:09] <tomreyn> ping -c1 <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:10] <tomreyn> does this report an erro / unreachable?
[14:10] <tomreyn> *erroR
[14:10] <Guest45> No it pinged no packet loss
[14:10] <tomreyn> apt update
[14:11] <tomreyn> does this report a W:arning or an E:rror ?
[14:11] <Guest45> No it updated
[14:11] <tomreyn> apt upgrade
[14:11] <Guest45> Updated again
[14:11] <tomreyn> does it install new packages? confirm if it prompts about installing updates
[14:12] <tomreyn> did it install upgrades though?
[14:13] <tomreyn> just in case: "apt update" is not the same as "apt upgrade"
[14:13] <Guest45> Oh
[14:13] <Guest45> Haha that was my fault
[14:14] <Guest45> I’m assuming yes for do I want to continue?
[14:14] <tomreyn> does it only want to install updates, or also remove something?
[14:15] <Guest45> Some installed some kept back and some upgraded
[14:15] <tomreyn> well, it's a fresh install, should be fine, just do it
[14:15] <Guest45> Yeah the one it is keeping back is the nvidia driver
[14:15] <tomreyn> aha, that's good to know, we'll get that next
[14:16] <tomreyn> so once this is done *and no error was reported*...
[14:16] <tomreyn> apt full-upgrade
[14:16] <Guest45> Ok
[14:16] <tomreyn> that should also install the nvidia upgrade now
[14:16] <tomreyn> does it?
[14:17] <Guest45> No errors going to full upgrade now
[14:18] <Guest45> Yes it wants to upgrade the nvidia one now
[14:18] <tomreyn> good
[14:19] <Guest45> Done
[14:19] <tomreyn> type "exit"
[14:19] <Guest45> Done
[14:20] <Guest45> Resume?
[14:20] <tomreyn> yes
[14:20] <tomreyn> you may end up on the black screen again, but hopefully rebooting will help then
[14:20] <Guest45> Wow
[14:20] <Guest45> It didn’t even go through all the loading screen strait to login
[14:20] <tomreyn> works now? ok
[14:21] <tomreyn> it be a good idea to do another reboot soon, though, just to make sure this actually still works
[14:21] <BluesKaj> autologin is enabled
[14:22] <Guest45> I don’tremember setting a password in the install
[14:22] <BluesKaj> uhoh
[14:23] <tomreyn> hopefully the installer would force you to set one
[14:23] <Guest45> Lool well at least if I have to do another clean install I’ll now how to get the driver
[14:23] <Guest45> It has my username so it must have printed it now I just have to remember ot
[14:23] <Guest45> It
[14:23] <Guest45> This is why I shouldn’t do installs at 2 am
[14:24] <BluesKaj> yup :-)
[14:25] <Guest45> Is there a max character limit
[14:25] <tomreyn> you can actually reset the password from recovery / root prompt in case you can't remember it
[14:25] <Guest45> Oh
[14:25] <tomreyn> that's if you don't have disk encryption
[14:25] <Guest45> I didn’t opt for encryption
[14:26] <tomreyn> but maybe we should have you guess for now ;)
[14:26] <Guest45> Lol
[14:26] <arraybolt3[m]> Just enter recovery mode, then do "mount -o remount,rw / && passwd <username here>", replacing the placeholder.
[14:27] <Guest45> I have a system for creating them but when I’m half asleep that only helps with parts of ot
[14:27] <Guest45> It
[14:27] <arraybolt3[m]> (After you drop to a root shell, that is.)
[14:27] <tomreyn> or "enable networking", then "root prompt", then "passwd <username here>"
[14:27] <tomreyn> less to type, fewer mistakes
[14:28] <Guest45> Ok giving it a shot now
[14:30] <Guest45> That’s weird when it prompted me to enter new password I couldn’t type anything
[14:30] <arraybolt3[m]> It's registering your keystrokes, but not showing anything on the screen. That's a security feature.
[14:30] <arraybolt3[m]> If you think you botched it, just hit Enter until it finally gives up, then try the passwd command again.
[14:31] <Guest45> Gotcha
[14:32] <Guest45> I’m excited I might actually leave windows for good
[14:32] <Guest45> Sweet that worked I’m in
[14:34] <tomreyn> so, what happened here: unfortunately, the nvidia driver that came with your kubuntu 22.04.0 installation iso is not suitable for some configurations. installing the pending upgrade for it helped.
[14:34] <Guest45> Any idea why Firefox won’t open
[14:34] <tomreyn> it may just take a while for the first time
[14:34] <arraybolt3[m]> It's slow the first time.
[14:34] <arraybolt3[m]> After the first launch, subsequent launches are faster.
[14:34] <Guest45> Lol maybe I should stop clicking it
[14:35] <arraybolt3[m]> Firefox <346 windows>
[14:35] <Guest45> Haha
[14:35] <arraybolt3[m]> (I've done the exact same thing.)
[14:35] <Guest45> If I get to liking Linux on this server I might convert my gaming rig too
[14:36] <tomreyn> we call computers with desktop hardware and graphical desktops "desktops" usually ;)
[14:37] <Guest45> Yes but I don’t know Linux so I wanted a more non friendly opening experience to learn from
[14:37] <Guest45> When I have a decent grasp I’ll switch to one with out kde
[14:37] <Guest45> For the server
[14:38] <tomreyn> probably a wise plan
[14:38] <Guest45> This isn’t the first time I troed
[14:38] <tomreyn> well, hopefully you can be convinced this time around ;)
[14:38] <Guest45> I tried red hat back around 2000. And another around 2015 I just get too frustrated trying to learn from scratch while working a full time job
[14:40] <tomreyn> the very most of tasks you can do on the GUI exclusively nowadays. that's different from certainly 2000 and also from 2015
[14:40] <Guest45> Firefox still hasn’t opened
[14:41] <arraybolt3[m]> Guest45: Hit Ctrl+Alt+T, then run "firefox" in the terminal, and tell us the error message.
[14:41] <Guest45> Permission denoed
[14:42] <Guest45> Denied
[14:42] <tomreyn> what did you type exactly?
[14:42] <Guest45> First I did just firefox
[14:43] <Guest45> Then Sudo firefox
[14:43] <Guest45> Typed in my password too still denied
[14:43] <tomreyn> don't run your web browser as root
[14:44] <tomreyn> so you got nothing but "permission denied" when you just ran "firefox"?
[14:44] <arraybolt3[m]> Guest45: Possibly silly question, but can you try doing "lsblk | nc termbin.com 9999"? This will spit out a bunch of disk info, but it will also tell me if Snap is active or not.
[14:46] <tomreyn> Guest45: by the way, it's often a good idea to wait until the first point release, so 22.04.1 now, before installing an LTS release. this will usually give you a better user experience. this also goes fro release upgrades.
[14:49] <tomreyn> to add to above statement on GUI-only operation: there are still some special tasks you may have to resort to the terminal for, but those are usually repair tasks or applying special settings. this said, actually learning to work with the terminal can prove to be very useful, since you can then run some tasks faster, or with better feedback (did it really work, was there an error?).
[14:52] <Guest45> See: can’t read /home/username/.config/user-dirs.dirs: permission denied
[14:52] <Guest45> cp: cannot open ‘ /home/username/.config/user-dies.locale’ for reading: permission denied
[14:52] <Guest45> error: cannot open display:  :0
[14:52] <Guest45> That took a while to tupe
[14:52] <Guest45> Tupe
[14:52] <Guest45> Type
[14:53] <Guest45> It didn’t send the whole message I typed
[14:54] <Guest45> I got disconnected and lost the whole conversation
[14:54] <arraybolt3[m]> Guest45: Plop it into Pastebin.com and send the link.
[14:54] <arraybolt3[m]> That's OK, we can still see it (or at least I can). Anything you're missing I can dig back up.
[14:55] <Guest45> there was an send: line above the cp: line
[14:55] <Guest45> Sed:
[14:55] <tomreyn> !logs | Guest45
[14:55] <arraybolt3[m]> Guest45: Can you select the full text, press Ctrl+Shift+C to copy (the shift is important), then paste the data into Pastebin.com and send us the URL?
[14:56] <arraybolt3[m]> Guest45: The thing Ubottu/tomreyn just showed you will allow you to dig up the old conversation stuff. Though I know from experience it can take a bit for stuff to show up there.
[14:56] <Guest45> I’m on iPhone and the error is on the computer
[14:56] <arraybolt3[m]> Guest45: Oh, and ou can't start Firefox...
[14:56] <Guest45> Right
[14:57] <tomreyn> you can install konversation for irc
[14:59] <arraybolt3[m]> tomreyn: How do you get STDERR to pipe to STDOUT? He can just do "firefox <redirecteverythingtostdout> | nc termbin.com 9999" and that will give us the error info.
[14:59] <arraybolt3[m]> (I thought the magic sequence was 2&>1 but it never does work for me, just makes a file called "1" in my current directory...)
[14:59] <tomreyn> command 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:59] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah.
[15:00] <Guest45> Do I type the Marriott?
[15:00] <arraybolt3[m]> Guest45: Do "firefox 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999" and then send the URL it spits out.
[15:00] <Guest45> Karrot
[15:00] <arraybolt3[m]> tomreyn: Thanks, I never could figure that out.
[15:00] <tomreyn> on bash, alternatively:   command |& nc termbin.com 9999
[15:01] <arraybolt3[m]> Guest45: Yes, the angle bracket is important. Type the whole string exactly as it looks.
[15:04] <Guest45> I get a bash syntax error  near unexpected ‘|’
[15:04] <arraybolt3[m]> Guest45: You may have forgotten the space between the "2>&1" and the "|".
[15:05] <Guest45> No I’m on the command above that one
[15:05] <Guest45> Oh I missed a message
[15:05] <Guest45> Stand by
[15:06] <Guest45> HTTPS://termbin.com/ju00
[15:07] <Guest45> I think it’s a zero it has a dot in the center of it
[15:13] <Guest45> Did it work for you guys
[15:14] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah, I can see it, but I don't have a clue what caused it. It looks like your permissions are scrambled to me, but I don't know how that happened.
[15:14] <Guest45> Well my admin pass and and user pass are the same for the time being so can I just edit permissions
[15:16] <arraybolt3[m]> Guest45: That's good. Try "sudo chmod -R 0644 ~/.config", be very careful not to make typos, the ~ is important.
[15:18] <Guest45> Made me enter password,hit enter then just started another command line
[15:19] <arraybolt3[m]> Guest45: Can you try running Firefox again?
[15:20] <Guest45> I don’t get permission denied now but I still get error: cannot open display:  :0
[15:20] <arraybolt3[m]> Guest45: This might sound silly, but try rebooting. I'm remembering a similar problem I had once that was solved by a reboot.
[15:21] <Guest45> Should I do a soft reboot or a full shitdown
[15:21] <enigma9o7[m]> cannot open display happens when you try running a gui app as root or pkexec that you shouldnt....
[15:21] <Guest45> Shutdown lol
[15:21] <arraybolt3[m]> Guest45: A reboot should do it.
[15:24] <tomreyn> !xauthority
[15:24] <Guest45> After reboot I get the same error
[15:24] <Guest45> is it possible I’m stuck in root somehow?
[15:25] <enigma9o7[m]> you probably used sudo for stuff you shouldnt and messed up permissions of stuf fin your user folder
[15:25] <Guest45> I wouldn’t be surprised if I did
[15:26] <enigma9o7[m]> but resetting xauthority like tom triggered the bot for is good idea.  worst case you can just create another user and login as them, as their folder will be clean.
[15:26] <arraybolt3[m]> Guest45: Try the thing Ubottu said. I know that you're not having login issues, but it might still be relevant.
[15:27] <tomreyn> find ~ -not -uid $(id -u) -or -not -gid $(id -g) |& nc termbin.com 9999
[15:28] <Guest45> Rebooting
[15:29] <tomreyn> this command should list files or directories which you either cannot access (giving an error message), or which you do not own, within your home directory
[15:30] <tomreyn> regarding the firefox snap, i'm not sure why it failed to run, but i'd just snap remove and snap install it.
[15:31] <tomreyn> Guest45 is probabky more interested in making things just work for them, not so much to get to the bottom of it
[15:31] <Guest45> HTTPS//termbin.com/yi86
[15:31] <Guest45> No
[15:31] <Guest45> It’s 85
[15:32] <Guest45> Typoed
[15:32] <tomreyn> apparently you did not run this (but you should): "sudo chmod -R 0644 ~/.config"
[15:32] <Guest45> I did
[15:33] <Guest45> But I can run it again
[15:34] <Guest45> Ran it again
[15:42] <Guest45> HTTPS//termbin.com/8u60
[15:43] <tomreyn> Guest45: sorry, had a phone call incoming here
[15:43] <Guest45> No worries I’m just happy for the assistance
[15:43] <tomreyn> Guest45: do you keep runnign graphical things as root / with sudo for some reason?
[15:44] <Guest45> Heck if I know.  I did it one time several reboots ago and the only thing I typed audio for them was Firefox.   That’s why I asked if there is some way my konsole could be stuck in sudo
[15:45] <arraybolt3[m]> Guest45: Is there a "#" symbol at the end of your Bash command line?
[15:45] <tomreyn> can we see    sudo stat /home/oran/.local/share/konsole |& nc termbin.com 9999
[15:45] <Guest45> Sire
[15:45] <Guest45> Sure
[15:46] <enigma9o7[m]> Yes, there are ways to get your console "stuck" as root..... `sudo -i` or `sudo su` for example.  But as array mentioned, you'd have # prompt instead of $ prompt if you did that.
[15:47] <Guest45> No I’m $
[15:47] <tomreyn> if you logged in to the graphical desktop as user 'oran' (or got logged in automatically as this user), then started konsole, you should be in your  (oran) home directory (/home/oran, as proven by command "pwd") and should be working as this restricted user.
[15:48] <Guest45> I entered the sudo stat command and entered my password but it didn’t give a termbin
[15:48] <tomreyn> also, command "whoami" should report 'oran'
[15:48] <Guest45> Yeah oran
[15:49] <Guest45> Got the termbin
[15:49] <Guest45> HTTPS://termbin.com/oq7q
[15:49] <tomreyn> are you still chatting on the phone there?
[15:50] <Guest45> Yes
[15:50] <Guest45> Sadly
[15:50] <tomreyn> either you fixed the permissions since, or my find command was wrong (which, i guess, can be so)
[15:50] <Guest45> I am not a fan of iPhone I hate this thing but my personal android is broken
[15:51] <tomreyn> so just install an irc client on your kubuntu
[15:51] <tomreyn> and join us with that?
[15:51] <Guest45> How do I do that without forefox
[15:51] <arraybolt3[m]> Guest45: Launch Quassel, set it to Libera, then join #kubuntu .
[15:51] <enigma9o7[m]> `sudo apt install irssi`
[15:51] <enigma9o7[m]> :)
[15:51] <tomreyn> is that preinstalled?
[15:52] <tomreyn> quassel?
[15:52] <arraybolt3[m]> tomreyn: Pretty sure Quassel is preinstalled, it might be Konversation though.
[15:52] <tomreyn> i guess GUI is better here
[15:52] <Guest45> I’m in konversation
[15:52] <tomreyn> oh both have a GUI, i never used quassel :)
[15:53] <tomreyn> connect to network Libera, channel #kubuntu
[15:53] <tomreyn> oh you did
[15:53] <arraybolt3[m]> Guest45: OK, then use that. (Man, I thought it was Quassel... my brain must be a bit confused from having done a few hundred thousand Ubuntu installs for QA tests.)
[15:53] <oran> sweet
[15:53] <oran> this is so much better than iphone
[15:55] <oran>  what would you like me to try next
[15:57] <oran> geez thats allot of installs
[15:58] <tomreyn> oran: what do you mean by 'a lot of installs'?
[15:59] <oran> you having done a few hundred thousand ubuntu installs
[15:59] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, that wasn't literal on my part, but I have done a LOT of instals.
[15:59] <arraybolt3[m]> installs*
[16:00] <tomreyn> find /home/oran -not -user oran -print |& nc termbin.com 9999
[16:00] <tomreyn> find /home/oran -not -group oran -print |& nc termbin.com 9999
[16:00] <tomreyn> let's try these two
[16:00] <oran> i launched konversation from my terminal and not i dont get a command line anymore
[16:01] <oran> the oran@ etc is gone
[16:01] <arraybolt3[m]> oran: Open a new terminal.
[16:01] <oran> just opened a new window
[16:01] <arraybolt3[m]> oran: Ctrl+Alt+T will do that.
[16:01] <oran> lol
[16:02] <arraybolt3[m]> (A new command line will appear when the program currently being executed is finished. Since you ran Konversation from the terminal, and now are using it, it won't finish until you close it, thus why your command line vanished.)
[16:02] <oran> is that a space between | and &
[16:02] <tomreyn> it will be easier to start graphical applications from the menu instead
[16:02] <arraybolt3[m]> (Just opening a new terminal will let you keep doing stuff.)
[16:02] <tomreyn> no space there
[16:03] <oran> https://termbin.com/kza2
[16:03] <tomreyn> you can probably set konversation to use a different font, a so-called "monotype" font, this should make such commands better readable
[16:04] <tomreyn> you missed a blank space while typing the command
[16:04] <tomreyn> you could also just copy and paste those commands
[16:04] <oran> oh yeah
[16:04] <tomreyn> it's not good practice if you don't trust those providing these commands
[16:04] <tomreyn> but i guess you trusted us so far ;)
[16:05] <oran> well all my data is backed up to disconnected drives so theres nothing un repairable
[16:05] <tomreyn> goood practice
 find /home/oran -not -user oran -print |& nc termbin.com 9999
 find /home/oran -not -group oran -print |& nc termbin.com 9999
[16:05] <tomreyn> can you do those again, just correctly? ;-)
[16:06] <oran> oh both of them
[16:06] <oran> oh yeah
[16:06] <oran> they are different
[16:07] <oran> https://termbin.com/r706    https://termbin.com/sjg5
[16:07] <arraybolt3[m]> (For the record, it would be pretty hard for anyone to post a malicious command here, since tomreyn is a channel operator - if I told you to do something that would damage your system, he'd scream 'don't do that and I'd be booted out of the channel in an instant. Same for anyone else who tried something like that.)
[16:07] <oran> good to know
[16:07] <tomreyn> actually, i'm not a channel operator here
[16:08] <arraybolt3[m]> tomreyn: Well you are on #ubuntu anyway, so same trust level.
[16:08] <oerheks> and if it happens, there is a trigger
[16:08] <oerheks> !danger
[16:08] <oerheks> :-)
[16:08] <arraybolt3[m]> oerheks: Hey, that's handy! I'll remember that.
[16:09] <tomreyn> oran: so i guess we need you to run the command to fix file and directory ownership once again
[16:09] <tomreyn> oran: sudo chown -R oran:oran /home/oran/
[16:10] <tomreyn> oran: careful not to make any typos there
[16:10] <oran> ok
[16:10] <tomreyn> oh there was no chown before, just chmod
[16:11] <tomreyn> i must have mixed up what i read
[16:11] <oran> so what should it be
[16:11] <tomreyn> anyways, thios should fix it
[16:11] <tomreyn> oran: please run:   sudo chown -R oran:oran /home/oran/
[16:12] <tomreyn> sorry for the confusion, i was just thinking aloud
[16:12] <oran> I did it shoudl i run the previous termbins for you
[16:12] <tomreyn> oran: yes please
[16:13] <oran> https://termbin.com/u8s7n
[16:13] <oran> https://termbin.com/gy7vx
[16:14] <tomreyn> i am puzzled. anyone got ideas?
[16:14] <oran> so i can maybe think of one thing
[16:14] <enigma9o7[m]> create a new user and login as them.
[16:14] <oran> when i did the reboot to reset the password
[16:14] <oran> the first time i did it i messed up and didnt do the <oran>
[16:15] <oran> so I am assuming that made an overall system password
[16:15] <oran> the second time I did enter the oran
[16:15] <arraybolt3[m]> oran: Oy. That would have enabled the root account and set a password for it. But to my mind, that shouldn't have caused this mess.
[16:15] <enigma9o7[m]> Even if you created a password for the root user, that shouldnt matter.
[16:15] <enigma9o7[m]> (As long as you dont login to your desktop as username root)
[16:15] <oran> im not sure then, its a clean install
[16:16] <oran> no i login with oran
[16:17] <tomreyn> it's probably a good idea to start with a new user indeed
[16:17] <arraybolt3[m]> oran: Really, at this point, something must have gotten scrambled, and figuring out what may be difficult. You may want to reinstall without the proprietary drivers, then install the drivers once you boot into the system.
[16:18] <oran> well i have to install the drivers from grub before I can ever log in unless there is a newer iso available that has the driver already
[16:19] <arraybolt3[m]> oran: If you don't install the proprietary drivers, it should boot into the system. It just will have crud graphics until you install the good driver.
[16:19] <oran> it didnt for me thats what brought me here
[16:19] <oran> i couldnt get it to boot
[16:19] <arraybolt3[m]> oran: But I thought you said you used the proprietary drivers option during install.
[16:19] <oran> I did but it didnt install them
[16:19] <oran> thats the problem
[16:20] <oran> we had to do apt full-upgrade to get them from recovery
[16:20] <tomreyn> no, not what happened
[16:20] <oran> tom can probably explain better
[16:20] <arraybolt3[m]> oran: The problem would be not that it didn't install them, but that it installed the wrong ones or something went wrong. If you install without the proprietary drivers, it will use the default free drivers, which we know work because the live ISO is able to boot.
[16:20] <oran> ok i can try that
[16:21] <oran> so just dont check the proprietary box
[16:21] <arraybolt3[m]> oran: Yeah, just don't check that box. Then once the installed system boots, you should be able to launch a terminal and do "sudo software-properties-kde", then go to "Additional Drivers" and install the nvidia drivers there.
[16:21] <tomreyn> i'm not sure that you have to reinstall, but it may indeed be the faster approach.
[16:22] <oran> im down for the troubleshooting to learn stuff or the clean install to make this less painfull for you guys
[16:22] <oran> its really up to you
[16:22] <arraybolt3[m]> oran: Troubleshooting will help you learn a LOT about Linux, which should come in handy.
[16:22] <arraybolt3[m]> oran: We're fine with helping. However you want to do it, let's do it that way.
[16:23] <tomreyn> i'm wondering whether you have a separate /home file system which is mounted read-only
[16:23] <oran> if we think we can troubleshoot lets go that way
[16:23] <tomreyn> mount |& nc termbin.com 9999
[16:24] <oran> https://termbin.com/g8ty
[16:24] <oerheks> looks good
[16:25] <arraybolt3[m]> Same
[16:25] <oran> I do think that the drivers im currently using still arent 100% because all of my audio should be going through the gpu and i dont have any output devices listed but thats for another time
[16:25] <tomreyn> yes, looks good
[16:26] <oran> I know when i tried mandrake back in 2015 there was a service built in for installing applications
[16:26] <oran> it had a list of them
[16:26] <oran> is it possible to  reinstall firefox
[16:26] <tomreyn> try creating another user account and logging out, then into that other user account
[16:26] <oran> ok
[16:26] <arraybolt3[m]> oran: You can make a new user account by typing "Users" into the Application Menu search and clicking the "Users" button.
[16:26] <tomreyn> the irc client will still be there but you will need to configure it again
[16:27] <oran> ok
[16:27] <tomreyn> network: Libera, channel: #kubuntu
[16:29] <gg> back
[16:29] <tomreyn> welcome back, oran
[16:29] <gg> should i try the firefox icon or the terminal again
[16:29] <arraybolt3[m]> gg: You "onan"?
[16:29] <gg> yeah
[16:29] <arraybolt3[m]> gg: Icon should be fine.
[16:29] <arraybolt3[m]> (Onan. Wow. I can't read... n and r are different...)
[16:30] <gg> haha
[16:30] <gg> i didnt even catch it
[16:30] <gg> im still waiting it hasnt opened yet
[16:30] <tomreyn> gg: try starting firefox again, but click on the icon just once this time.
[16:31] <tomreyn> gg: stop, dont
[16:31] <enigma9o7[m]> It will be kinda slow the first launch if from snap, give it a few seconds.
[16:31] <tomreyn> sorry, i missed that you already started it
[16:31] <gg> its been almost a minute
[16:31] <enigma9o7[m]> Hmmm a minute sounds excessive.
[16:31] <arraybolt3[m]> gg: I guess open the terminal again and try "firefox" then? It takes 15 to 30 seconds on my system the first time.
[16:32] <tomreyn> also try    df -h .
[16:32] <gg> irefox
[16:32] <gg> sed: can't read /home/gg/.config/user-dirs.dirs: Permission denied
[16:32] <gg> /snap/firefox/1443/snap/command-chain/desktop-launch: line 261: /home/gg/.config/user-dirs.dirs: Permission denied
[16:32] <gg> cp: cannot open '/home/gg/.config/user-dirs.locale' for reading: Permission denied
[16:32] <gg> /snap/firefox/1443/snap/command-chain/desktop-launch: line 266: /home/gg/.config/user-dirs.locale: Permission denied
[16:32] <gg> it didnt copy the f but it was typed
[16:33] <arraybolt3[m]> What on planet earth?! Alright, try "sudo snap remove firefox && sudo snap forget 1 && sudo snap install firefox".
[16:33] <gg> Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[16:33] <gg> tmpfs           3.2G  2.0M  3.2G   1% /run
[16:33] <gg> /dev/sda2       916G   12G  858G   2% /
[16:33] <gg> tmpfs            16G     0   16G   0% /dev/shm
[16:33] <gg> tmpfs           5.0M  4.0K  5.0M   1% /run/lock
[16:33] <gg> /dev/sda1       511M  5.3M  506M   2% /boot/efi
[16:33] <tomreyn> please redo this, but output to termbin (my fault)
[16:33] <tomreyn> gg: you're currently muted here, we can't read what you're typing. this will last another minute
[16:34] <tomreyn> so make it:    df -h . |& nc termbin.com 9999
[16:34] <tomreyn> you can talk again
[16:34] <gg> ok
[16:34] <gg> so note to self dont paste like that
[16:35] <arraybolt3[m]> gg: LOL usually you can access Pastebin.com for that sort of stuff, but with Firefox dead... ☹
[16:35] <tomreyn> correct, we don't like that here ;) and TheRedQueen enforces it
[16:35] <gg> should i type what array said first
[16:36] <tomreyn> thats fine
[16:36] <arraybolt3[m]> No, do tomreyn's first.
[16:36] <gg> ok is that all one line
[16:36] <gg> oh ok
[16:37] <gg> https://termbin.com/s5nm
[16:37] <gg> at least she didnt say "your all going to die down here"  in a british accent
[16:38] <arraybolt3[m]> gg: Sure you typed that command right? Something's fishy about the length (or absence thereof) in the termbin output.
[16:38] <gg> i coppied it from the message above
[16:38] <gg> is the period in it a mistake
[16:39] <gg> [12:34] <tomreyn> so make it:    df -h . |& nc termbin.com 9999
[16:39] <tomreyn> not a mistake
[16:39] <arraybolt3[m]> Hmph. Guess that's just all it wrote.
[16:40] <gg> https://termbin.com/7au5
[16:40] <tomreyn> but gg missed the dot last time ;)
[16:40] <gg> no I did the dot
[16:40] <tomreyn> this time, yes
[16:40] <tomreyn> thanks
[16:40] <gg> i may have had an extra space last time
[16:40] <gg> at the beginning
[16:40] <tomreyn> when you posted to the channel, you didn't have the ., i think
[16:41] <tomreyn> can i also see this?   sudo tune2fs -l /dev/sda2 | grep state
[16:41] <gg> oh no I didnt
[16:41] <gg> sure
[16:42] <arraybolt3[m]> gg: And add the termbin bit at the end.
[16:42] <arraybolt3[m]> gg: So "sudo tune2fs -l /dev/sda2 | grep state |& nc termbin.com 9999"
[16:42] <gg> i cant sudo with gg
[16:42] <tomreyn> ahem right, though should be just one line
[16:43] <arraybolt3[m]> gg: Umm. Crud. Can you sign back into oran, and set your gg user to an admin?
[16:43] <gg> i can try brb
[16:43] <tomreyn> could "login" in a terminal and do it there
[16:43] <tomreyn> but either works
[16:43] <enigma9o7[m]> you could do that in tty
[16:44] <arraybolt3[m]> And thus was the laundry list of login methods built.
[16:44] <oran> well we established firefox is borked on both profiles does it matter which one I am nin
[16:44] <arraybolt3[m]> oran: Probably not.
[16:44] <tomreyn> oran: maybe it's time for the fresh install then
[16:45] <oran> if you guys think thats what is needed
[16:45] <tomreyn> personally, i'm loinging for some food
[16:45] <oran> haha i dont blame you I ate while you were on the p hone
[16:45] <tomreyn> :)
[16:45] <oran> array gg is set to admin
[16:46] <oran> if you would like to continue trying to troubleshoot im ready to go
[16:46] <arraybolt3[m]> oran: Nice, now everything should work no matter which one you're in. Since Firefox seems to be broken deeper than at the user level, here's how to uninstall and reinstall it all in one fell swoop:
[16:46] <arraybolt3[m]> sudo snap remove firefox && sudo snap forget 1 && sudo snap install firefox
[16:48] <oran> done and attempting to l.. heeey it worked
[16:48] <arraybolt3[m]> 👏
[16:48] <oran> bravo
[16:48] <oran> well i wish i could repay you guys with more than the ammusement of gettign to see theredqueen drop the banhammer on me
[16:49] <arraybolt3[m]> Now the question is, how on planet earth did Firefox get scrambled in the first place? But hey, whatever works. I would recommend locking that root password, though.
[16:49] <arraybolt3[m]> I'll see if I can find how to do that.
[16:49] <oran> ok
[16:49] <oran> im just afraid of forgetting it
[16:49] <oran> i need to make sure oran and root have different passwords
[16:50] <arraybolt3[m]> oran: In Ubuntu, the root account should never have a password. It should be disabled.
[16:50] <oran> oh
[16:50] <arraybolt3[m]> oran: You then sudo to the root account using oran's password. If you ever forget oran's password, you reset it using the recovery console.
[16:50] <oran> ok
[16:50] <oran> so how do I undo the root password
[16:51] <tomreyn> passwd -d root
[16:51] <tomreyn> +sudo
[16:51] <arraybolt3[m]> Looking that up right now.
[16:51] <oran> two different commands?
[16:51] <arraybolt3[m]> sudo passwd -d root
[16:51] <tomreyn> just one: sudo passwd -d root
[16:51] <arraybolt3[m]> Who needs a search engine when you've got tomreyn?
[16:52] <tomreyn> i do
[16:52] <oran> haha
[16:52] <arraybolt3[m]> 🤣
[16:52] <oran> done
[16:53] <arraybolt3[m]> tomreyn: Wait, doesn't that make the account passwordless, but entirely unlocked? Wouldn't it be "passwd -l root"?
[16:53] <oran> any tools you reccommend for straightening out all my drivers
[16:53] <arraybolt3[m]> oran: Try "sudo software-properties-kde", then click the Additional Drivers tab in the window that pops up.
[16:54] <oran> you know what else is weird
[16:54] <oran> never mind
[16:54] <arraybolt3[m]> oran: Can you try running "su bash" in a terminal real quick?
[16:55] <oran> super user bash does not exist or the user entry does not contain all the required fields
[16:55] <oran> well su but super user
[16:55] <oran> i remember that from mandrake
[16:55] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, good. If the command doesn't work, that's a good thing.
[16:56] <arraybolt3[m]> I was afraid maybe the root password disable command wasn't quite right, but it looks like it's working OK.
[16:56] <oran> ok
[16:56] <tomreyn> arraybolt3[m]: we agreed that root should not have a password, which is what ubuntu defaults to, and is what -d does. -l prevents logging into an account with or without a password set, because the password entered when prompted for (such as by /sbin/login) will always be wrong.
[16:57] <arraybolt3[m]> tomreyn: Ah, OK. I saw "make the account passwordless" and thought, "ack! Log into root with no password?!" Guess I misunderstood the man page.
[16:58] <oran> hmm doesnt give me an option for extra drivers
[16:58] <oran> and setup audio devices is blank
[16:59] <arraybolt3[m]> oran: You're using HDMI for your audio, right?
[16:59] <oran> correct
[16:59] <arraybolt3[m]> (Er, for your video and audio, I mean.)
[17:00] <arraybolt3[m]> oran: Try "pulseaudio -k".
[17:01] <oran> lol ill give you a chance to guess what it said
[17:01] <arraybolt3[m]> Error?
[17:01] <oran> permission denied
[17:01] <arraybolt3[m]> Grr...
[17:02] <arraybolt3[m]> oran: "sudo chmod 0644 $HOME", careful to avoid typos
[17:02] <oran> https://termbin.com/zlsa
[17:03] <oran> is it case sensitive
[17:03] <arraybolt3[m]> Hold on, I missed one tiny part.
[17:03] <arraybolt3[m]> sudo chmod -R 0644 $HOME         (yes it is case sensitive)
[17:05] <oran> that set off alot of warnings trying to reluanch plasma i think
[17:05] <oran> tried pulseaudio -k again after an still denied
[17:06] <arraybolt3[m]> oran: Shoot, I think I mixed up something with directories.
[17:06] <oran> yeah ubuntu is not happy
[17:06] <oran> lol
[17:06] <arraybolt3[m]> oran: If you have to, press Ctrl+Alt+F3 to get to a terminal and log in. Then try "sudo chmod -R 0755 $HOME".
[17:07] <oran> ok nothing happened that time
[17:07] <oran> but i mean compared to last time i think thats a good thing
[17:07] <arraybolt3[m]> oran: Whew. Ok, that's good. Try logging out and logging back in.
[17:07] <tomreyn> arraybolt3[m]: you're applying thei chmod recursively to every file system object there. those values can have different effects on files and directories
[17:08] <oran> ok will do brb
[17:08] <arraybolt3[m]> tomreyn: I know. He keeps getting permission denied, I was trying to repair it. I forgot that the execute bit works different on files and directories.
[17:09] <arraybolt3[m]> tomreyn: That explains why our changes to .config never did work - we kept doing 0644 rather than 0755.
[17:09] <tomreyn> combining it with 'find' helps: https://linuxize.com/post/chmod-recursive/#using-the-find-command
[17:09] <tomreyn> yes, i just realized that as well, veeeery late ;)
[17:09] <tomreyn> but then we hadve had 37°C here today
[17:10] <arraybolt3[m]> tomreyn: Will read. I never did learn how to use that coolness. (Hey, at least we both made the same mistake. But you were lucky enough to do it on .config, and I just hit a $HOME run on accident...)
[17:10] <tomreyn> i think i only asked for chown -R, where oyu don#t need it
[17:11] <tomreyn> but yes, i could easily have done this, too
[17:13] <oran> that got it
[17:13] <oran> audio working now
[17:15] <arraybolt3[m]> oran: 😅
[17:15] <oran> yeah the system hard crashed when i tried to log out an dback in I had to reboot but its good now
[17:16] <arraybolt3[m]> oran: That first chmod command I had you do I thought was "read and write permissions for everything", but it was actually "read and write permissions for all files, and lock you out of all your folders"! chmod is a tricky thing.
[17:16] <arraybolt3[m]> The second command was "read write and execute for everything, oh and here's your folder access back."
[17:17] <oran> lmao
[17:17] <oran> lessons learned I suppose
[17:17] <arraybolt3[m]> Sorry about that, glad we got it sorted out.
[17:17] <oran> no worries at all
[17:18] <oran> omfg save me my 80lb pittbull just farted
[17:18] <oran> time out
[17:19] <arraybolt3[m]> Just remember all the reasons your thankful for your dog, that's the quickest way to defuse anger in my experience.
[17:19] <oran> it wasnt anger
[17:19] <oran> it was trying not to laugh histarically  while choking on it
[17:20] <oran> he is a goober
[17:21] <oran> ok downloaded the latest steam.deb and opened it with arch, no familiar with the file system, do i click the debian binary to install it?
[17:22] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh OK good. I was a bit worried there! Yes, double-clicking the .deb should install it.
[17:23] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, other stuff in life is happening, so I think I'm going to sign off for a bit. Glad to be able to help!
[17:23] <oran> than you very much and have a good day
[17:37] <tomreyn> arraybolt3[m]: my apologies, i did actually ask for running the chmod command you had provided.
[17:43] <arraybolt3[m]> tomreyn: No problem. I've fought with chmod so many, many times, this sort of thing has hung me up over and over. Glad to know I'm not the only one!
[17:43] <tomreyn> :)
 Huh, I read the whole conversation of ~600 messages, only because it's so nice to see so helpful people trying to get someone's system working :)
[18:40] <farroos> hi