[00:03] <ali1234> ok i've got a question
[00:04] <ali1234> since valve wrote source from scratch for half life 2, why didn't they FIX LADDERS!?
[00:04] <Azelphur> because they are valve?
[00:08] <ali1234> hl2 is kind of easier than the first one :/
[00:45] <Azelphur> http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/03/30/2148244/Samsung-Plants-Keyloggers-On-Laptops
[00:45] <Azelphur> time to not buy samsung?
[00:56] <hamitron> should it be a problem if you format?
[00:56] <hamitron> or it embedded in the bios?
[00:58] <Azelphur> hamitron: looks like it's part of the OS, so reformat should kill it
[00:58] <hamitron> but I guess it is the principle
[00:59] <Azelphur> indeed
[01:00] <hamitron> man, just got a free mp3 off amazon, and love io
[01:00] <hamitron> it
[01:01] <hamitron> just shows it is worth trying stuff
[01:01] <hamitron> ;)
[01:12] <hamitron> suppose I should get sleep soon
[01:13] <hamitron> gotta be up in just over 5 hours
[01:15] <hamitron> o/
[02:10] <rbnswartz> Oli``` Are you around?
[02:22] <HazRPG> \o
[02:22] <HazRPG> I'm awake honest
[05:57] <MartijnVdS> suuure
[06:07] <HazRPG> lol
[06:14] <nigelb> morning
[06:15] <HazRPG> morning
[07:20] <daubers> Mornng
[07:41] <jonsaint> hi all. anyone got a rough idea when the next ubuntu will be out? i know its next month but theres a lot of days in april lol
[07:53] <hoover> mornin all
[08:17] <daubers> !natty
[08:26] <DJones> Morning
[08:50] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:53] <MooDoo> hello
[08:53] <diplo> morning
[09:12] <czajkowski> Aloha
[09:14] <Tommeh> o/
[09:14] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:18] <dwatkins> hihi
[09:18] <MooDoo> orning
[09:22] <DJones> Can anybody see any hardware that might be a problem with either of these two laptops http://www.argos.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ArgosComparison?storeId=10001&catalogId=1500002701&categoryId=&langId=-1&returnToURL=%2Fwebapp%2Fwcs%2Fstores%2Fservlet%2FBrowse%3FstoreId%3D10001%26langId%3D-1%26ID72%3D14419040%26c_1%3D1|category_root|Office%2C%2BPCs%2Band%2Bphones|14418968%26c_2%3D2|14418968|Laptops%2Band%2Bnetbooks|14419039%26c_3%3D3|cat_14419039
[09:24] <DJones> The hp looks to be broadcom wireless, can't find out what the msi is
[09:24] <DJones> Although some of the hp's are atheros as well
[09:26] <DJones> Hmmh, msi looks to be ralink 6890/6891
[09:30] <DJones> ratehr the 6890/6891 are the windows driver numbers
[09:31] <screen-x> morning :)
[09:37] <oimon> morning
[09:39] <czajkowski> Does Open Source *really* save money? London School of Economics study your chance to prove - simple form to fill in: http://bit.ly/dP74g6
[09:47] <MooDoo> morning czajkowski
[09:50] <gord> i'v never really been comfortable with marketing open source as "it saves money" - just sounds like we are undervaluing what we are pushing. just tell the accountants it saves money, tell everyone else its awesome ;)
[09:51] <oimon> there's also uptime and smooth systems rollout
[09:51] <oimon> zimbra has a TCO of around 1/3 of Exchange but that's not the only reason you would choose it
[09:51] <nigelb> gord: That sounds like a good idea :)
[09:53] <gord> aw man. pyweek is starting again - i miss taking part in those :(
[09:59] <AlanBell> gord: everyone agrees with that, however if the cabinet office say "we won't use Open Source or buy services relating to it until there are reputable TCO studies showing that it makes fiscal sense" and offer to pay half the costs of the study, then a study by the LSE will get commissioned
[10:06] <Myrtti> hm
[10:06] <Myrtti> is it strange that I find it often easier to work with smbclient and sftp directly on the CLI instead of graphical tools?
[10:07] <gord> Myrtti, i just ssh://foobar.com in nautilus and do it all there most days
[10:09] <Myrtti> I haven't used nautilus in three or four years
[10:09] <Myrtti> s/in/for/
[10:09] <Myrtti> otherwise a good idea
[10:16] <czajkowski> AlanBell: my only objections is the OFE is tarred with it
[10:17] <JamesTait> Good morning, all! :D
[10:20] <AlanBell> czajkowski: by which you mean funded the other half of it
[10:21] <AlanBell> can't say I am a big fan of the thing, but it serves a purpose
[10:21] <AlanBell> personally I think TCO studies are not worth the PDF they are written on
[10:22] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alistair McKinlay] Right to the internet - http://www.10people.co.uk/index.php/2011/03/right-to-the-internet/
[10:23] <czajkowski> AlanBell: well they push open standards which isn't necessairyly open source
[10:24] <BigRedS> czajkowski: but it allows open source
[10:24] <czajkowski> yes but it doesn't push or  advocate it either
[10:25] <AlanBell> yes, this is true
[10:26] <czajkowski> so I dont think having them associated with a survey which is looking at finding out about oss is good. just how I feel
[10:26] <AlanBell> it would have been better if fsfe had funded it, certainly
[10:27] <czajkowski> yes
[10:27] <czajkowski> you could of course argue that it should be independaly funded so that either sides groups dont have a bias with it
[10:27] <AlanBell> cabinet office didn't want to fund all of it
[10:28] <AlanBell> fsfe couldn't afford it
[10:28] <AlanBell> so OFE is tared with it
[10:30] <czajkowski> yup tis just a bit unfortunate.
[10:30] <czajkowski> from my point of view I can see the OFE sending it to partners and what nots who may be anti oss but open to open standards
[10:30] <czajkowski> so that wil give the survey a slant
[10:32] <AlanBell> LSE is sending it out and is responsible for removing any bias
[10:33] <AlanBell> finding suitable organisations to survey is non-trivial
[10:34] <czajkowski> nods
[10:36] <oimon> would like to fill in the survey as i use open source heavily in my org, but don't wanna get follow-up or spam from it
[10:37] <AlanBell> oimon: I don't believe the London School of Economics is going to do followup spam, or share the email addresses
[10:38] <oimon> "If so, we will be pleased to talk further about this specific case in interview."
[10:39] <AlanBell> oh yeah, they are going to do more detailed interviews with a few large organisations
[10:40] <AlanBell> but nothing after the project as a whole
[10:40] <HazRPG> BigRedS: btw dude, I've got a guide put up about setting up an IPv6 on my blog now @ http://www.hazsoft.co.uk/2011/03/31/ipv6-under-ubuntu-10-10/ - enjoy :D
[10:41] <shauno> morning
[10:42] <HazRPG> shauno: mornin dude :)
[10:43] <HazRPG> finally did that write up of my IPv6 adventure :)
[10:45] <czajkowski> So does anyone have suggestions for a pub for after the BCS launch of NN if so, talk to AlanBell
[10:47] <AlanBell> I should probably email the list about that
[10:48] <BigRedS> HazRPG: Cheers! I have even less of an excuse now :)
[10:48] <BigRedS> wherebouts is this launch?
[10:48] <HazRPG> BigRedS: No problem dude :P
[10:48] <screen-x> heh, script stopped working, I was grepping out times with grep -v GMT, the output has now changed to BST :p
[10:48] <AlanBell> at the British Computing Society on Southampton Street in London
[10:48] <AlanBell> on the 28th April
[10:48] <HazRPG> BigRedS: if you run into any trouble just let me know, or ask the lovely people here :)
[10:51] <popey> hey HazRPG useful! I have not done any IPV6 stuff, so will bookmark that
[10:51] <X3N> popey: is sshd being oom killed?
[10:51] <popey> X3N: i made some changes to apache config last night on recommendation from mgdm
[10:52] <popey> when we released the podcast the load average on that box went to 42
[10:53] <X3N> hmm
[10:53] <HazRPG> popey: No problem :). I've been using miredo for years on and off and also teredo for years on windows systems... thought I'd see how hard it was to set it all up myself. Much kudos goes to MartijnVdS and shauno for all the help :).
[10:53] <popey> X3N: its much better now
[10:54] <diplo> jeesh, fairly heavy then popey
[10:54] <diplo> See you in Linux Format a couple of times popey :)
[10:54] <diplo> Cartoon and letter
[10:54] <popey> o_O
[10:54] <popey> really?
[10:54] <X3N> popey: I'm still getting critical alerts from nagios, 9:32am, 05:32am, 01:32
[10:54] <oimon> do some of you UUPC guys have the viglen mpc-l ?
[10:55] <X3N> times at which i wouldn't have thought coincide with the load going up
[10:55] <popey> it looks timed every 4 hours
[10:56] <diplo> Cartoon is ref 'Mumbuntu'
[10:56] <popey> oh yes :)
[10:56] <popey> daubers scanned it for me :)
[10:56] <diplo> And the letter is ref support if i remember correctly
[10:56] <popey> oooo, not seen that
[10:57] <X3N> popey: maybe it's looking at the wrong port?
[10:57]  * oimon is looking for a small form factor pc to use for digital display screen in a foyer
[10:57] <popey> I'll ask
[10:58] <popey> oimon: acer aspire revo
[10:58] <popey> viglen is awful for anything graphical
[10:58] <popey> the revo is nice and cheap
[10:58] <popey> and has hdmi out too, which makes it useful with big tellys
[10:59] <AlanBell> does the revo have vesa mounts?
[10:59] <oimon> popey: cool, i'll check it out. also have a spare mac mini here which i could stick linux on. all i need is to display a firefox page in kiosk mode
[10:59] <HazRPG> Feel free to point out any mistakes (spelling/grammar/etc), or if there's an easier/better way of doing things... those are essentially the steps I did to get IPv6 going (both for individual and for setting up an IPv6 router/advertiser)
[10:59] <oimon> vesa mounts are a plus
[10:59] <diplo> popey, been meaning to ask you.. have  a few blue ray rips to watch at the mo, 4-12GB plays fine on the revo under XP but buffers all the time on Ubuntu
[10:59] <diplo> Do you have the same issues ?
[11:01] <popey> yes AlanBell
[11:01] <popey> i have a revo mounted on the back of a telly
[11:01] <popey> diplo: what player?
[11:01] <gord> i find wifi isn't good enough for HD content on my revo, use ethernet
[11:02] <diplo> Any..
[11:02] <diplo> VLC/Totem etc
[11:02] <oimon> popey: where did you buy yours? is it the r3700?
[11:02] <diplo> All lag out
[11:03] <diplo> Wondering if it's not utilising the ION
[11:03] <davmor2> morning all
[11:03] <gord> diplo, try xbmc - that will use vdpau
[11:05] <oimon> revo looks like exactly what i will need
[11:05] <diplo> ah yes I do have that installed, think I need to bring it to work and play with it..
[11:05] <diplo> Works fine with anything up to a gig and a half, anything over it starts dieing
[11:06] <popey> oimon: ebuyer, i have the older one, the 3600, single core cpu, there's the 3660 which is dual core
[11:07] <oimon> the linux one is far cheaper i notice: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/236579
[11:07] <popey> yup
[11:07] <popey> smaller hardware though iirc
[11:08] <oimon> seems like 160gb-250gb hard drive + windows home premium, can't notice anything else
[11:08] <popey> yeah, the hdd
[11:08] <popey> not a massive difference i guess for your use
[11:10] <gord> there is a new revo out iirc - or maybe i dreamt that
[11:10] <gord> smaller form factor
[11:11] <oimon> ooh
[11:11] <oimon> gord: is that the RL100?
[11:12] <oimon> £185 can't go wrong. i bought a onelan box before for non-techies to manage digital signage and it cost £950
[11:12] <oimon> those boxes run fedora
[11:13] <gord> RV100 i think
[11:13] <gord> i'm happy with my old revos though, smaller form factor would be nice but i'm not gonna replace them for that ;)
[11:17] <BigRedS> Argh. Why do people make websites, buy a cert for it, then redirect 99% of https visitors to a cleartext page?
[11:23] <AlanBell> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2011-March/029306.html
[11:23] <oimon> today is beta1 day isn't it?
[11:26] <MartijnVdS> I wish it was beta-quality though
[11:27] <oimon> MartijnVdS: last night we were chatting about multi-touch - does yours work?
[11:27] <MartijnVdS> oimon: only one/two-finger
[11:27] <MartijnVdS> oimon: (two finger scroll, one-finger click)
[11:27] <MartijnVdS> haven't tried anything else
[11:27] <oimon> botted into natty and the 2 finger touch was not greyed out , so i selected it, but couldn't get it to work. - the only effect was that vertical scroll disappeared
[11:28] <MartijnVdS> oimon: you can't vertical scroll with two fingers?
[11:28] <oimon> no :(
[11:28] <oimon> maybe i was "holding it wrong"
[11:28] <MartijnVdS> no
[11:28] <MartijnVdS> it's the same on my work laptop
[11:29] <oimon> i have a dell d630
[11:29] <MartijnVdS> Dell E6500 here
[11:29] <BigRedS> Wait, the launch is on the royal wedding weekend?
[11:29] <MartijnVdS> my laptop at home is a Sony Vaio something-or-other
[11:29] <BigRedS> that's unfortunate
[11:29] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: only for the UK
[11:29] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: the rest of the world doesn't care ;)
[11:29] <AlanBell> BigRedS: we booked the date first
[11:29] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: haha, yeah
[11:30] <BigRedS> AlanBell: yeah, it's just that London's going to be a bad place to be then
[11:30] <AlanBell> it is the day before
[11:30] <BigRedS> I had plans to be quite definitely elsewhere, though I hadn't yet decided where
[11:30] <oimon> wonder if my lack of 2 finger scroll is a bug or just lack of feature in my trackpad :S
[11:31] <AlanBell> Wills could come out for a drink with us as his last night as a free man
[11:32] <MartijnVdS> oimon: I think it's a hardware thing
[11:32] <oimon> then the ungreyed option is a bug :P
[11:32] <MartijnVdS> oimon: I think they ungreyed it because it was greyed out on lots of working hardware as ewll
[11:33] <oimon> ah ok thanks
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> oimon: i.e. it's hard/impossible to detect whether it works without trying it
[11:34] <oimon> think i have a alps touchpad rather than synaptics :(
[11:34] <MartijnVdS> oimon: that shouldn't really matter -- my EeePC had Alps and it had two-finger support
[11:35] <MartijnVdS> [    30.130] (II) AlpsPS/2 ALPS DualPoint TouchPad: failed to open grail, no gesture support
[11:35] <MartijnVdS> hmmmm
[11:38] <oimon> oh yeah, works on my eee
[11:38] <oimon> although nothing much else does in natty
[11:44] <czajkowski> ninjas!
[11:46] <HazRPG> czajkowski: they're everywhere!
[11:46] <czajkowski> just listened to end of the show and remembered daubers mail
[11:46] <HazRPG> hehe
[11:48] <HazRPG> now that's interesting... why has Rhythm decided to delete my subbed podcasts...
[11:50] <directhex> it hates you
[11:50] <MartijnVdS> this is why I use Google Reader + Listen on my phone
[11:51] <HazRPG> directhex: :( don't say that!
[11:51] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I use google reader for most things...
[11:51] <HazRPG> if that counts...
[11:51] <directhex> you considered using banshee once, now RB hates you!
[11:51] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: do you have an Android phone?
[11:52] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: ...oh course! :P
[11:52] <HazRPG> if its got linux on-board, I've most likely got it (or plan to get it!) :P
[11:53] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: install Google Listen, it'll connect to your Google Reader
[11:53] <HazRPG> I'm pretty sure I have listen...
[11:54] <HazRPG> and yes... yes I do!
[11:54] <HazRPG> brobostigon: \o/! Howdy squire!
[11:54] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[11:54] <screen-x> HazRPG: is that dude trying to reach his foot?
[11:54] <brobostigon> HazRPG: good morning, good blog post, :)
[11:55] <HazRPG> screen-x: nope, that dude is trying to touch the sky! :P
[11:55] <HazRPG> brobostigon: why thanks :)
[11:56] <brobostigon> HazRPG: you're welcome, :)
[11:59] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: hmm... does the stuff I subscribe to on Listen show up on Google Reader?
[11:59] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: yes, in the "Listen Subscriptions" folder
[11:59] <HazRPG> ah, yeah was just about to say I stopped it
[12:00]  * brobostigon goes to play with mumble, and tweak it.
[12:00] <bigcalm> Anybody here used PHPExcel to save as Excel 2003 XML file format?
[12:02] <shauno> oi, language :p
[12:03] <screen-x> shauno: which of those obscenities were you particularly offended by?
[12:03] <shauno> oddly, I think xml is probably the worst offender there.  but the combination was shocking!
[12:04] <bigcalm> :P
[12:04] <bigcalm> I am but a code monkey bowing to a client's wishes :)
[12:05] <HazRPG> brobostigon: \o/ mumble ftw!
[12:05] <brobostigon> HazRPG: :)
[12:06] <bigcalm> I think it's time to hunt down some lunch
[12:06] <HazRPG> shauno: what's wrong with xml? Most of your browsing needs are probably catered by xml :P
[12:07] <czajkowski> .c
[12:07] <brobostigon> HazRPG: want a play?
[12:07] <screen-x> HazRPG: xml is fine, just not suitable for humans
[12:08] <shauno> I spent a summer with xslt.  consider me scarred.
[12:08] <willy_1977> xslt... that should be on the banned list...
[12:08] <HazRPG> shauno: heh, now xslt I can agree... that's just pure evil
[12:09] <HazRPG> brobostigon: hmm, you setup a mumble server?
[12:11] <brobostigon> HazRPG: not my own, no. its is the one we willbe using for globaljam on saturday and quiz night, mumble.libertus.co.uk , AlanBell set itup, i believe.
[12:11] <willy_1977> I think there may be another domain coming through soon too...
[12:11] <brobostigon> willy_1977: mybe mumble.ubuntu-uk.org
[12:12] <willy_1977> still pointing at at the host  brobostigon put.
[12:12] <willy_1977> brobostigon: yeah I think it was that...
[12:12] <brobostigon> willy_1977: it was, iwas there for the discussion.
[12:12] <willy_1977> ah yeah I remember now :) I was trying to think up jokes to make you laugh whilst sat in the living room :D
[12:13] <brobostigon> willy_1977: yes. :)
[12:13]  * willy_1977 has a memory like one of those kitchen implements with the holes in...?
[12:13] <brobostigon> sieve*
[12:13] <willy_1977> brobostigon: that's it.
[12:13] <brobostigon> willy_1977: :)
[12:14] <HazRPG> brobostigon: well I'm in
[12:14] <brobostigon> HazRPG: yes, :)
[12:14] <HazRPG> brobostigon: I was there when AlanBell was making sure he'd set it up right
[12:14] <brobostigon> HazRPG: did you hear me?
[12:16] <HazRPG> \o/
[12:16] <brobostigon> o/
[12:19] <HazRPG> should get more people in!
[12:21] <shauno> already shopping for upgrades for a laptop that hasn't arrived yet \o/
[12:21] <HazRPG> shauno: \o/
[12:21] <HazRPG> shauno: hit the mumble server up!
[12:22] <shauno> do I have to?  I did that yesterday :p
[12:22] <brobostigon> :)
[12:27] <shauno> speex does pretty well at low rates
[12:29] <HazRPG> it does indeed!
[12:29] <brobostigon> :)
[12:30] <gord> its not quite as nice as SLIK though :( but silk likes to eat a bit more bandwidth
[12:30] <gord> and at low bitrates silk *sucks*
[12:30] <HazRPG> heh
[12:39] <diplo> Anyone running Natty under virtual box on windows ?
[12:41] <davmor2> gord: yes silk is only really useful at the highest bandwidth,  in you hand right now. :)
[12:46] <X3N> anyone know if lovefilm limits the number of accounts to address?
[12:51] <popey> "Subsequent free trials by the same person at any address, or by another person at the same address, are not permitted. You must have internet access and valid payment details to redeem a free trial offer. "
[12:51] <tugrik> do you live in a house or a flat?
[12:52] <popey> http://www.lovefilm.com/info/terms_and_conditions.html
[12:52] <X3N> ah thanks
[12:56] <popey> http://www.hercules.com/uk/ecafe/bdd/p/157/ecafe-trade-slim-hd-black-/
[12:56] <popey> http://www.hercules.com/uk/ecafe/bdd/p/156/
[12:56] <popey> interesting devices
[12:58] <directhex> popey, looks like an efika, from the spec?
[12:59] <popey> howd they crowbar an efika mobo in that case?
[13:00] <X3N> it looks like a dinner tray
[13:00] <popey> the photo makes it look tiny
[13:00] <davmor2> popey: that is why I'm assuming it has the pig ugly sticky up bits either end
[13:00] <popey> but it has a 10" screen
[13:00] <popey> ah yes
[13:01]  * oimon notices that the session is now called Ubuntu/Ubuntu classic rather than Gnome classic
[13:01] <popey> yeah, i noticed that
[13:02] <davmor2> me notices the 4px ubiquity task bar hasn't been fixed yet :D
[13:03]  * czajkowski wallops davmor2 and goes back to work, see I'm alive!
[13:04] <davmor2> czajkowski: I know you are just heard you on UUPC
[13:05] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod just to be sure though
[13:24]  * oimon is disappointed to discover that it's not friday after all
[13:25] <AlanBell> I know a song about Friday
[13:26] <oimon> has anyone tried speeding that friday song up to see if it really is justin bieber?
[13:27] <directhex> it's better than friday.
[13:28] <DJones> oimon: Would anybody realy want to take the risk of listening to justin bieber
[13:28] <oimon> my 7 year old nephew got introduced to bieber by his teacher. i'm thinking of complaining
[13:28] <MartijnVdS> haha :)
[13:29] <willy_1977> oimon: surely that's classed as abuse?
[13:29] <DJones> Surely there's got to be laws against that
[13:29] <Tommeh> I was going to say
[13:29] <Tommeh> That's creepy
[13:29] <oimon> christmas day, he put a song called baby, baby,baby, baby,baby, baby,baby, baby,baby, baby,baby, baby, on repeat
[13:29] <shauno> I trust you made him stand in the corner?
[13:30] <oimon> no but i suggested extra home-schooling to right the wrongs taught by the education system each day
[13:31]  * brobostigon and shauno and HazRPG are having a little party on mumble.
[13:31] <HazRPG> \o/
[13:32] <willy_1977> this is led zepplin... jimmy page came through a number of bands... etc. etc. that kind of thing?
[13:32] <shauno> brobostigon: trouble-maker.sourceforge.net
[13:32] <shauno> I'm bored and want to play :o)
[13:32] <MartijnVdS> willy_1977: "This is a record player." + 70s albums? :)
[13:32] <brobostigon> shauno: thank you.
[13:33] <willy_1977> MartijnVdS: what do you mean you've never seen a black cd that's so big?
[13:33] <willy_1977> ifconfig
[13:33] <willy_1977> doh!
[13:34] <shauno> this could be terrifying.  I haven't used a RH-based distro since the end of the 90s
[13:35] <oimon> mind you, i didn't buy my first single until i was 9 : ghostbusters.
[13:35] <popey> Shaky :S
[13:35] <popey> actually might have been Donna Summer
[13:36] <willy_1977> village people?
[13:36] <shauno> first album I bought was queen.  25 years later, the last album I bought was queen too.  taste ftw :D
[13:36] <oimon> when i was little i thought shakin stevens was actually elvis
[13:37] <DJones> !elvis
[13:37] <willy_1977> oimon: how very dare you.
[13:37] <willy_1977> I think I went straight to albums before then I was happy listening to what other family in the house had... but my first lp was bon jovi :/
[13:38] <oimon> my first LP: queen live magic , first CD: pixies bossanova
[13:39] <willy_1977> that's a good one...
[13:39] <oimon> glad i didn't invest much in LPs, mostly CDs
[13:39] <willy_1977> the old skeleton in my lp locker is the teenage mutant ninja turtles album... *runs off and hides*
[13:39] <oimon> oof
[13:39] <shauno> I ditched most my CDs when I started moving around so much.  I still have my vinyl hidden away tho :o)
[13:40] <davmor2> AlanBell: is it something to do with it being poets day?
[13:41] <shauno> willy_1977: if it makes you feel any better, I think my worst offender may have been right said fred :p
[13:41] <willy_1977> shauno: oh lordy!
[13:41] <oimon> i thought it was Backups Day
[13:41] <gord> last time i moved i ripped all my cd's and got rid of them. much happier - only buy digital content now
[13:42] <oimon> http://www.worldbackupday.net/
[13:43] <DJones> How many terrabytes would you need to back up the world?
[13:43] <oimon> ask google
[13:43] <davmor2> shauno, willy_1977: Being as I lived through most of the 70's and all of the 80's I can tell you there are far worse lp/signles you can have than those.
[13:43] <oimon> or was than a pun DJones? terra=earth
[13:43] <willy_1977> I'm thinking of doing similar gord - but I must admit I do like putting on lp
[13:44] <DJones> oimon: I'm that awake enough to do a pun that good
[13:44] <willy_1977> davmor2: that's true... at least I didn't go for rick astley/kylie/jason donovan etc. etc.
[13:44] <davmor2> willy_1977: Joe Dolce Shattap ya face
[13:45] <oimon> i was right, monster munch packets have got lighter :(
[13:45] <willy_1977> davmor2: oh my word, and that kept nivea by ultravox off the top slot didn't it?
[13:45] <davmor2> willy_1977: and from the 90's just to prove how god awful mr blobby
[13:45] <shauno> brobostigon: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23042/Screen%20shot%202011-03-31%20at%2013.44.31.png
[13:45] <AlanBell> davmor2: it is an uplifting ditty addressing the perplexing dilemma of whether to sit in the back seat or kick it in the front seat
[13:46] <DJones> http://www.everyhit.com/worstever.html
[13:46] <oimon> is unity supported on small screens (e.g. eee 701?)
[13:46] <willy_1977> davmor2: wasn't bob the builder in 90's as well or had we reset the clocks then?
[13:47] <AlanBell> personally I think the young lady concerned is only just legally permitted to be in a car without a booster seat, and I am not seeing any seatbelts in use at all
[13:48] <davmor2> DJones: spaceman should be way higher than that
[13:49] <DJones> davmor2: I'm just trying to bleach my brain having read "Agadoo" on the list
[13:50] <AlanBell> which is possibly the worst ever song featuring a chicken
[13:50] <DJones> AlanBell: Nah, Spitting Image - The chicken song must win that one
[13:51] <davmor2> DJones: what makes it worse is they haven't even touched on some of the worse songs :)   oh and I owned most of them in my time :D
[13:52] <DJones> davmor2: Most people have probably owned most of them, even if they've just been stuck on a compliation album as a filler
[13:52] <davmor2> DJones: don't mock.   no idea what that is, but ewwww
[13:52] <davmor2> startreking by marrs
[13:52] <DJones> Thats a great song
[13:52] <willy_1977> only going forward 'cause we can find reverse...
[13:53] <willy_1977> *can't
[13:56] <oimon> i remember buying Now thats what i call music vol 5
[13:56] <oimon> i think they are at 78 now
[13:56] <davmor2> oimon: I had now that's what I call music 1
[13:56] <DJones> I've got the first few of those on vinyl
[13:56] <oimon> davmor2: first song was queen i think?
[13:57] <oimon> first song on now 5 was frankie :(
[13:57] <davmor2> it almost alway was in the early days :)
[13:58] <davmor2> 79 wet, wet, wet love is all around.  A song so annoying that the band pulled it so they still had fans :D
[14:00] <oimon> does anyone in here work on compiz bugs?
[14:01] <davmor2> gord: say nothing
[14:02] <oimon> :P it seems like a one-line fix..:P
[14:02] <oimon> bug 438868
[14:02] <oimon> seems to be annoying a lot of people
[14:02] <willy_1977> could be their eyes?
[14:03] <davmor2> popey: did czajkowski swear once when at the house for the UUPC recording?
[14:05] <davmor2> DJones: nothing by "how to kill a hit" Crazy Frog on that list of worst hits
[14:10] <Laney> grr
[14:10] <Laney> tech made me restart my computer to get the serial number out of the bios because he didn't believe the one I showed him from dmidecode was right
[14:10] <Laney> guess what... it was
[14:11] <popey> davmor2: no
[14:12] <popey> Laney: mbp?
[14:12] <Laney> no, just a black box
[14:13] <davmor2> popey: I don't believe it (in the best victor meldrew voice)
[14:13] <Laney> dmidecode -s system-serial-number
[14:14] <popey> blank here
[14:14] <Laney> I guess it depends on what your bios provides
[14:14] <Laney> just do dmidecode -s and you'll get a list of things to query
[14:14] <davmor2> Laney: you don't understand he has to read from his script and you were trying to buck it.  Next time say I've had this issue before so I wrote down the number :D
[14:15] <Laney> haha
[14:15] <Laney> first he crawled around the computer on the floor looking for a number written on it
[14:17] <willy_1977> Laney: nice...as has been said it's like bucking someone on a scripted telesales call...
[14:21] <Laney> this guy's pretty sound, I just think he could do with a bit of clue sometimes :-)
[14:50] <oimon> what are the chances that pc world would sell thermal cpu paste?
[14:50] <BigRedS> pretty high
[14:51] <BigRedS> I've bought it from there before
[14:51] <oimon> really?
[14:51] <popey> http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/atrix-thermal-compound-1-5g-07737499-pdt.html
[14:52] <oimon> directhex: any views?
[14:52] <oimon> woops just saw popey link
[14:52] <oimon> £5 LOL..oh well needs must
[14:52] <directhex> thermal goo isn't worth worrying about. just get whatever you can that's vaguely silvery and comes in a tube
[14:53] <MartijnVdS> eww!
[15:06]  * brobostigon shakes fist @ xorg
[15:06] <brobostigon> mumble kept going though after gpu lockup.
[15:07] <davmor2> brobostigon: mumble hates you
[15:07] <brobostigon> davmor2: it worked well though, it kept going, even after xorg crashed and died, so i like that.
[15:10] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: X didn't know the GPU crashed, I guess
[15:10] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: so it just kept sending commands
[15:10] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: maybe, yes.
[15:15] <davmor2> Who just said boo on mumble?
[15:16] <willy_1977> davmor2: I forgot I had it on yesterday and popey and alan scared the living be-jesus out of me... :p (p.s. it wasn't me)
[15:18] <popey> that would have been AlanBell
[15:18] <popey> he moved to another "room"
[15:18] <popey> as i have
[15:18] <brobostigon> the globaljam room.
[15:20] <MartijnVdS> get a room 8-)
[15:23]  * TheOpenSourcerer looks at his server stats too see how much traffic this mumlbe stuff is using...
[15:23] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: they only set up rooms so that joke can be repeated constantly
[15:23] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: good.
[15:23] <AlanBell> good question TheOpenSourcerer, it shouldn't be much I think
[15:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> 1/2 a Gig this month.
[15:24] <MartijnVdS> 1.21 gigabits
[15:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oooh - shiny new router that might just tick all my boxes... http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/31/logitecs-new-wireless-router-is-crazy-looking-crazy-fast/
[15:38] <shauno> MartijnVdS: did you figure out if that /run stuff was an april fools' joke or not?
[15:38] <willy_1977> shauno: on the fed mailing list?
[15:39] <shauno> it showed up on lwn too.  don't read fedora mailing lists, for fairly obvious reasons :o)
[15:39] <oimon> aahh pc world. if you don't know the answer, maybe you shouldn't say anything
[15:39] <willy_1977> wow... seems to be the latest bun fight...
[15:40] <willy_1977> shauno: lwn? london weekend news?
[15:40] <shauno> close, but no cigar :)
[15:40] <shauno> lwn.net
[15:40] <willy_1977> ah ok.
[15:40] <brobostigon> how do i change the font rendering in natty?
[15:41] <oimon> the guy presented 2 thermal compunds - "the more expensive one offers better cooling" - i say, isn't it just a bigger tube? "no, they are the same size". when i sent him away, i loked and found one 1.5g and one 4g
[15:41] <brobostigon> the appearence app doesnt seem to axist anymore.
[15:41] <willy_1977> shauno: honestly it nearly brought my mail server down :p
[15:42] <shauno> thermal goo doesn't present any cooling at all.  it's transfer, not disipation :/
[15:43] <oimon> shauno: they just just show me where the product is and let me make decisions rather than feed me FUD
[15:43] <shauno> if I have to go anywhere near stores like that, I've one simple trick.  just avoiding shaving for 5 days first, so I look homeless :)
[15:44] <oimon> on the bright side i probably found the cheapest product in the store
[15:44] <oimon> and had a go on some 3d glasses - never seen 3d before
[15:44]  * screen-x wonders if oimon has ever looked outside
[15:44] <oimon> screen-x: yah, just keep my head down :P
[15:45] <shauno> I still can't figure out if that /run stuff is serious or not.  think I'll just ignore it for a week and see if it goes away
[15:46] <oimon> shauno: like the ethernet device names in fedora?
[15:47] <BigRedS> Oh yeah, what happened to that
[15:47] <BigRedS> did it go away?
[15:58] <oimon> BigRedS: nope http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ConsistentNetworkDeviceNaming#Consistent_Network_Device_Naming
[15:59] <oimon> network device naming will be "consistent" unless you are on a vm, :P  why should i care whether my NIC is embedded or PCI?
[16:21] <BigRedS> oimon: I remember the argument about whether you care where it is or not, and there's a few use cases where people do
[16:21] <BigRedS> but I still had hoped that idea had died a death
[16:21] <shauno> that's an odd one that actually strikes me as useful :/
[16:23] <oimon> it would suck unless there were still aliases that showed eth0/1/2 etc
[16:23] <shauno> really annoying when you add an extra nic to a machine, and it gets numbered 0 so you have to go and clean up all your existing rules
[16:24] <oimon> shauno: that could still happen if you have 2 pci nics
[16:25] <oimon> shauno: forget that, it wouldn't
[16:25] <oimon>  pci<slot>p<port>_<vf>.  is hideous and un-user friendly
[16:26] <oimon> i'm only concerned in case it works it's way into redhat. however, nearly all of my machines will be virtual by then
[16:29] <shauno> tempted to go help the missus with mario just so I don't have to keep listening to 'underground' over and over again
[16:30] <AlanBell> oimon: "eth0" is hideous and un-user friendly
[16:30] <AlanBell> which is why it just says "wired network" in network manager
[16:30] <shauno> most device names are ugly; if you ever have to see them, that's the least of your problems
[16:31] <oimon> i deal with them all day long on servers
[16:32] <oimon> and regularly do ifdown eth0; if up eth0 ..you wouldn't want to think about what type of card is installed etc.
[16:32] <oimon> and on a 1 card server, you *always* know that eth0 exists
[16:34] <oimon> i'm coming from the P.o.V of someone managing a network of 200 machines.
[16:35] <popey> why would you up/down an interface
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[16:37] <popey> *sigh*
[16:37] <oimon> had to do it yesterday on my ubuntu machine. networking was borked after a suspend
[16:37] <popey> thats not 200 machines
[16:37] <popey> thats your pc
[16:38] <popey> we have 200+ machines running SAP and pretty much never down a physical interface
[16:38] <oimon> alternatively, when troubleshooting network problems and/or setting up dhcp , i run dhclient etc
[16:38] <popey> we frequently bring up VLANs and such, but we name those
[16:39] <popey> so they get to be called nice whacky names :)
[16:40] <oimon> before that, last week, i couldn't get a machine to kickstart because of lack of driver in the pxe kernel so i was playing around with the driver/net card - having uncertainty over network naming doesn't help
[16:40] <oimon> plus iptables configs...i could go on
[16:43] <oimon> type eth0 into askubuntu and you'll see it is regularly used on personal machines too - advice would then be conditional on type of interface
[16:46] <screen-x> oimon: its already dependent on the module, some give interesting names. For example ath5k called my  wifi interface wlan0
[16:48] <oimon> screen-x: sometimes they appear as ath0 too..yuck
[16:52] <shauno> well, atleast they seem to have left an option to turn it off.  so just push that to your grub defaults :o)
[16:53] <gord> http://imgur.com/VJsxA - well. that is something i never thought i would see
[16:55] <oimon> arnie's looking slim nowadays
[16:56] <Laney> i'm surprised those bikes don't have chain guards
[16:57] <screen-x> the ones in cardiff are shaft driven
[16:57] <oimon> http://hfconservatives.typepad.com/residents_first/2011/03/arnie-rides-boris-bike.html
[16:58] <oimon> i think they kept shouting closer, to get boris to crash into arnie
[16:59] <shauno> heh, that's funny.  gord's picture looked almost candid, with very few people in the background
[16:59] <shauno> the video reveals it as a complete feeding frenzy
[16:59] <oimon> yeh
[16:59] <oimon> thumbs up guvnor!
[17:00] <screen-x> grr firefox is offered as a tar.gz to linux users by default :(
[17:00] <gord> we just.. we all have to now live in a universe where the terminator rode around on a bike with boris johnson... feels like we are a joke being told by people in another universe
[17:01] <shauno> atleast until he gets home, to the safety of his hummer
[17:01] <AlanBell> Laney: they do have quite chunky chain guards
[17:02] <Laney> partial ones?
[17:03] <AlanBell> yeah, all round the chainwheel and along the top of the chain
[17:03] <AlanBell> quite hard to get oil on your suit trousers
[17:24] <shauno> "This website is not responsible for the stupid comments some users may write."  I'm not sure if that just didn't translate well, or maybe too well, but I think I prefer that over the standard disclaimers :)
[17:25] <bigcalm> "Our users are stupid"
[17:25] <shauno> _some_
[17:26] <shauno> besides, it doesn't call anyone stupid, just that sooner or later, a comment may be stupid
[17:26] <screen-x> its probably fair to say that all websites have some stupid users
[17:27] <shauno> I just found it refreshingly honest, since most disclaimers point everything towards ownership (or lack of)
[17:35] <shauno> http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/gmail-jstrap/   FSF making new friends ;)
[17:38] <directhex> shauno, the FSF doesn't make friends.
[17:38] <shauno> :(
[17:42] <shauno> the 'javascript trap' stuff seems like nonsense :/
[17:43] <shauno> it's a non-free webservice.  making the client-side JS free doesn't sanitize it
[17:46] <AlanBell> it does from the RMS point of view
[17:46] <AlanBell> he is actually fairly OK with non-free code running server side as web services
[17:47] <AlanBell> he doesn't think you should put your data there, or do your computing on someone elses computer though
[17:47] <AlanBell> however something that does a transitory communication service does not need to be Free
[17:48] <shauno> I'm not sure I'd call gmail transitory
[17:48] <AlanBell> but if there is Javascript running on *your* computer then *you* should have the freedom to use/study/improve/share
[17:49] <AlanBell> no, gmail isn't particularly transitory, neither is google docs if you leave stuff there
[17:49] <AlanBell> but putting a doc on google docs in order to collaborate on it with someone else would be OK
[17:49] <popey> http://www.hercules.com/uk/ecafe/bdd/p/156/ecafe-trade-ex-hd-black-/ impressed that they actually break down their "13 hours battery" into what they did
[17:50] <popey> the fact that they don't call it Ubuntu, but "Netbook Edition operating system" probably means canonical dont get an OEM cut I guess
[17:55] <popey> I just had a horrid thought
[17:55] <popey> My first PC video card was made by Hercules, before the author of http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/hercules-unveils-ecafe-netbook-series-runs-ubuntu-netbook-remix/ was born!
[17:56] <denny> ...a recruiter just contacted me about a job at Canonical
[17:56]  * denny tries not to fanboi while replying.
[17:56] <popey> heh
[17:56] <denny> I'm quite amused by the long paragraph explaining who Canonical are
[17:56] <denny> surely if you don't already know, then you're not the right person to be working there
[17:56] <popey> Good luck! (assuming you go for it)
[17:57] <denny> I'm very tempted
[17:57] <denny> although not sure they'll want me, my experience is all tied up in Perl and I don't think they use it
[17:57] <denny> I do have my own company ticking over atm, but I could be tempted away from that for the right place and the right money
[17:58] <gord> Canonical - slowly converting #ubuntu-uk into #canonical one user at a time
[18:00] <popey> hah
[18:07] <AlanBell> gord: I sent an email trying to tempt a #canonical person into #ubuntu-uk earlier
[18:26] <shauno> here's some fun.  gnu's dd wants bs=1M, rejects 1m as an invalid number.   bsd's dd wants bs=1m, rejects 1M as an invalid number.  so you can't use the same command on both :(
[18:26] <KrimZon> I heard when you join canonical they give you a new name
[18:31] <MartijnVdS> shauno: no
[18:31] <shauno> no?
[18:36] <shauno> having fun explaining the difference between MB & MiB.  apache shows a file as being 1M, but wget says it downloaded 977K.    I'm hoping it'll be here before wednesday, so entering the EU tonight is a plus
[19:01] <daubers> Evening
[19:01] <daubers> Meeting at 9 tonight!
[19:05] <BigRedS> hah
[19:05]  * BigRedS moves the mug so it stops obscuring the '1' on his clock
[19:14] <KrimZon> wtf, firefox 4 just popped up some random video from god knows where
[19:16] <BigRedS> I keep hearing of this sort of thing...
[19:16]  * BigRedS notes that middle-click-paste-and-go doesn't work in FF3
[19:17] <BigRedS> maybe it does in FF4 and this is confusing people?
[19:17] <BigRedS> especially people who, like me, thought it worked in 3.x
[19:18] <YaManicKill> sdf
[19:18] <YaManicKill> oops sorry
[19:18] <ali1234> what is middle click paste and go?
[19:18] <YaManicKill> wrong window :-P
[19:18]  * HazRPG pokes AlanBell, popey & BigRedS for advice in #ubuntu-uk-meeting
[19:19] <HazRPG> I'm just making sure I've got everything down
[19:21] <KrimZon> it wasn't even a url I'd visited or copied to the clipboard
[19:21] <BigRedS> ali1234: highlight a URL with your mouse, as per normal middle-click-paste
[19:22] <BigRedS> but paste it into a new tab, in the bit that would be showing the contents of the page
[19:22] <BigRedS> it used to have the same effect as pasting into the URL bar and hitting enter
[19:22] <BigRedS> thinking about it, I can't say for sure if I've seen it since Mozilla
[19:22] <KrimZon> it may or may not have been linked somewhere in what I was browsing, but I definitely didn't have any text selected
[19:23] <AlanBell> BigRedS: just middle click a URL, it opens in a new tab
[19:23] <BigRedS> HazRPG: Ah, I'm not generally going to be of much use. I've only seen a couple of these meetings
[19:23] <BigRedS> AlanBell: possibly, but ff3 does that so I'd have thought ff4 users would be used to that?
[19:24] <BigRedS> the middle-click paste-and-go is pure speculation on my part, though. I've seen FF4 but not actually used it
[19:24] <BigRedS> I just suspect that might be the source of all these pages I keep hearing people seeing open for no apparent reason
[19:24] <KrimZon> I did get annoyed by middle click paste and go, I forget how exactly and I disabled it
[19:24] <KrimZon> or something like it in 3
[19:24] <BigRedS> hm, I don't have it in this 3.x
[19:25] <AlanBell> BigRedS: actually I am not sure what you are on about, I can't middle click paste onto a new tab page
[19:25] <BigRedS> AlanBell: is that in FF4?
[19:26] <AlanBell> FF3
[19:26] <BigRedS> Ah yeah. I'm wondering if FF4 does behave that way, and so people are accidentally doing it, not realising it's a 'feature'
[19:26] <KrimZon> I've had it with images and videos, so I'm wondering if it's trying to open content that should be inline or is linked in some way
[19:27] <BigRedS> since Mozilla worked like that but I don't remember if early Firefoxen did.
[19:27] <BigRedS> Anyway, I've got to wander off for a bit, I'll see if I can be more descriptive on my return, if anyone's still interested :)
[19:28] <AlanBell> http://www.favbrowser.com/firefox-4-receives-paste-and-go/ this?
[19:28] <BigRedS> AlanBell: nope
[19:29] <BigRedS> literally: 1) highlight a URL 2) open a new tab 3) middle click in the page of that tab
[19:29] <BigRedS> and then you go to that URL
[19:29] <BigRedS> I'll see if I can find its actual name...
[19:29] <BigRedS> (when I get back :)  )
[19:30]  * HazRPG panics a tad lol
[19:30] <shauno> http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2010/09/paste-go-search-landed-to-firefox-4/
[19:30] <KrimZon> as far as I can tell, I didn't click anything in the moments before the tab opened
[19:32] <KrimZon> it could be an evil extension
[19:34] <KrimZon> except it's not particularly spammy stuff, just content type stuff rather than whole pages
[19:34] <KrimZon> I'll try not closing tabs, then next time it happens searching the whole source for the url that opens
[19:35] <jacobw> Copy and paste from FF4 to other GTK applications doesn't work properly
[19:36] <jacobw> Actually, I'll revise that, copy and paste from the URL bar in FF4 to Pidgin's message composer doesn't work properly
[20:09] <AlanBell> meeting in 50 minutes in the #ubuntu-uk-meeting channel people
[20:12] <BigRedS> dammit. Now I've started to miss that Netscape paste behaviour :(
[20:12] <gord> copy paste from anything to xchat is a giant pain
[20:12] <gord> xchat likes to put its own stuff in the copy buffer if you click anywhere that isn't the text entry
[20:15] <BigRedS> I keep doing that with whatever terminal it is I have open at work
[20:15] <BigRedS> click to move the cursor, and in the process inadvertently copy nothing at all
[20:16] <BigRedS> s/move the cursor/change focus/
[20:17] <KrimZon> the worst is right-click paste of multiple lines in a terminal
[20:26] <zeroXten> any ideas on how to get X to output on a second monitor (vga on webbook).. xorg.conf has to be edited due to device weirdness so autodetect doesn't work
[20:26] <zeroXten> in fact, not a second monitor as such, but switch X output to the VGA. Currently other ttys are mirrored on both screens
[20:29] <BigRedS> xrandr?
[20:29] <BigRedS> I can't remember the precise incantation, but IIRC its man page has enough examples to let you know what it is you want
[20:30] <zeroXten> huh..
[20:30]  * zeroXten takes a look, it sounds vaguely familiar
[20:30] <BigRedS> http://www.manpagez.com/man/1/xrandr/ if you're asking what I think you're asking
[20:36] <zeroXten> hmm, looks like I only have one output
[20:36] <zeroXten> aka 'default'
[20:47] <HazRPG> 15 mins guys and gals :) *points to: #ubuntu-uk-meeting*
[20:47] <shauno> drumroll?
[20:54]  * HazRPG presses the BIG RED panic button
[20:54] <HazRPG> xD
[20:55]  * BigRedS looks a bit concerned...
[20:56] <HazRPG> its fine, I have a whole list of lolcats to post :)
[20:56] <HazRPG> (jokes)
[20:56] <BigRedS> haha
[21:04] <Biglesp> evening
[21:06] <AlanBell> meeting is over in #ubuntu-uk-meeting peeps
[21:06] <AlanBell> hi Biglesp, all set for u^3?
[21:06] <Biglesp> AlanBell: oh yes 57 attendees booked in!
[21:06] <AlanBell> full of win
[21:07] <AlanBell> Biglesp: take photos
[21:07] <Biglesp> AlanBell: we've got a flickr group, hash tags, video cameras, the works ;)
[21:07] <Azelphur> Is there any way to get a twitter RSS feed that doesn't include @Replies?
[21:19] <jacobw> get it and filter out the @replies?
[21:22] <popey> evening all
[21:24] <daubers> popey: #ubuntu-uk-meeting :)
[21:24] <popey> oh
[21:34] <Azelphur> haha, I just had a fun little issue with my game server :D
[21:36] <hamitron> Azelphur: how many "steam staff" you ban?
[21:36] <Azelphur> hamitron: none :P
[21:36] <hamitron> :)
[21:36] <Azelphur> I wrote an automated donation system, the players go in game and type /donated paypal_txn_id and the server activates extra stuff for them, I register adsense as donations too so they get tracked on the website, with a null transaction ID
[21:37] <Azelphur> so some guy just dropped by and said "Hey I typed /donated and it announced I donated $120 and gave me premium for the next few years"
[21:37] <Azelphur> xD
[21:37] <hamitron> $120?!?!
[21:37] <Azelphur> yea lol
[21:37] <Azelphur> from adsense payout xD
[21:37] <hamitron> what was he suposed to donate?
[21:38] <hamitron> ah
[21:38] <hamitron> how?
[21:38] <Azelphur> he claimed an adsense payout as his own donation by accident basically
[21:38] <hamitron> ;/
[21:38] <Azelphur> because the transaction id on an adsense payout is null
[21:38] <Azelphur> and he just typed /donated without a code xD
[21:38] <CyberJacob> do the team meeting logs go to http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/03/31/
[21:38] <Azelphur> hamitron: patched it and gave him 3 months free for reporting the issue lol
[21:39] <hamitron> nice
[21:39] <hamitron> :)
[21:39] <Azelphur> funny little issue to come up, though :P
[21:40] <hamitron> reporting bugs for freebies is probably a good way of making players "accept" bugs
[21:40] <hamitron> :)
[21:40] <Azelphur> indeed
[21:42] <CyberJacob> !logs
[21:54] <popey> AlanBell: http://www.noob.us/entertainment/i-bet-you-didnt-know-this-about-chickens/
[21:55] <AlanBell> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7snWiHvpwc
[22:09] <AlanBell> meeting over, anyone want to set up mumble and join in?
[22:10] <an0key> Meeting over, was it not due to start at 22:00?
[22:11] <popey> hullo an0key
[22:11] <AlanBell> an0key: no, they start at 21:00
[22:11] <AlanBell> an0key: never mind, there will be minutes
[22:11] <an0key> "21:00 UTC (21:00 GMT)" = 22:00 BST
[22:12] <AlanBell> bother, you are right
[22:12] <popey> where does it say that?
[22:12] <an0key> oh well, I'll pop along for the next one then.
[22:12] <suprengr> UTC = Ubuntu-uk time zone ;)
[22:12] <an0key> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[22:13] <BigRedS> what was the mumble address?
[22:14] <zleap> hmm
[22:14] <suprengr> UTC = Ubuntu-UK Time Controlled ;)
[22:14] <zleap> no idea what happened there
[22:14] <AlanBell>  Meeting 14th April 21:00 BST #ubuntu-uk-meeting
[22:17]  * suprengr bows to the great time controller aka AlanBell
[22:17] <zleap> :)
[22:17]  * AlanBell steps back into the Tardis
[22:19]  * an0key goes back to revision =[
[23:22] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jamie Bennett] Linaro 11.05 Beta Ubuntu images available - http://www.linuxuk.org/2011/03/linaro-11-05-beta-ubuntu-images-available/
[23:23] <zleap> cool
[23:56] <phonex01> guys i need help
[23:57] <hamitron> what with?
[23:57] <phonex01> im using HSPA+ internet service on my ubuntu machine
[23:57] <phonex01> and im using virtualbox
[23:57]  * brobostigon-g1 screams and shouts athe top of his voice
[23:57] <phonex01> my virtual machine can only bridge eth or wlan but not HSPA connection
[23:57] <hamitron> good one brobostigon-g1 ;/
[23:58] <phonex01> so how can i use internet on my virtual machine ?
[23:58] <hamitron> you sure it can't "share" the same ip as the host OS?
[23:58] <brobostigon-g1> hamiron :'(
[23:59] <hamitron> :D
[23:59] <brobostigon-g1> hmm
[23:59] <shauno> is bridging the only method available?


[20:59] <mozicodo> Just getting started with helping out in docs and started by making some style fixes to a wiki page.  Any suggestions?  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SecureApt


[15:07] <xcm_> hello. is there a "proper"/easy way for applying a patch on ubuntu's kernel that the rest of the system will be aware of? (meaning grub, the package manager, etc)
[15:11] <leftyfb> xcm_: if you compile your own kernel, the package manager won't be used to update the kernel anymore
[15:14] <xcm_> leftyfb: understood, thank you


[03:13] <xubuntu81w> hi
[03:13] <xubuntu81w> hi
[09:30] <nikolam> Why this (retarded) File>Open dialogue in Xubuntu 18.04 LTS , when I try to open file from GIMP, does not have &^%* PATH line?
[09:31] <bluesabre> GIMP uses GTK2 and a custom file dialog.
[09:31] <bluesabre> Completely outside of our or anybody's control.
[09:31] <bluesabre> (other than gimp devs)
[09:32] <bluesabre> https://www.gimp.org/bugs/report.html
[09:41] <nikolam> bluesabre, thank you for the clarification!
[09:44] <nikolam> I think Xubuntu suffers from not having File path enter option in File>Open dialogue in general (like opening File>Open form mousepad) , except from pressing Ctrl+L
[09:47] <nikolam> Same way, GIM requires to press "/" for path dialogue to appear in file>open ...
[09:55] <nikolam> Seems that Location: also shows up after clicking a folder in File>Open Gimp dialogue.
[11:21] <guiverc2> nikolam, mousepad shows shortcuts in the file open dialog as setup in my thunar/mousepad/etc; have you tried using the shortcut feature?
[11:22] <nikolam> guiverc2, yes, shortcut works, Ctrl+L , just not there by default, it's either per-Xfce choice or Xubuntu choice not to display it by default.
[12:06] <Guest52325> I'm using xUbuntu 19.04 in VM VirtualBox on Win 10 64. I'm having a heck of a time adding an SD card. I have made the .vmdk file as per may instruction on the web. When I add it to the storage for the VM, Xubuntu hangs on start. When I remove the SD, it starts fine. I can also see all the drive letters in the Win 10 machine with the xUbuntu File Manager--not sure what that means.  I am looking for ideas.
[12:07] <brainwash> Guest52325: you probably should ask in the virtualbox channel
[12:09] <Guest52325> That's part of the question. Should what I am doing work as far as xUbuntu is concerned?
[12:09] <pmjdebruijn> how and why are you adding an SD card in a VM?
[12:10] <pmjdebruijn> and what are you booting? a CD ISO? an already installed xubuntu on a virtual disk?
[12:10] <pmjdebruijn> Guest52325: please elaborate
[12:11] <Guest52325> settings>storage>IDE>HD (SD card). I am adding it so I can configure the SD card for an embedded linux controller
[12:12] <Guest52325> xUbuntu is already installed on the virtual HD. The SD card is empty (formatted EXT4)
[12:13] <pmjdebruijn> and the SD card disk is secondary?
[12:13] <pmjdebruijn> not primary?
[12:13] <pmjdebruijn> is the SD card an actual physical SD card?
[12:13] <pmjdebruijn> not an image file?
[12:14] <pmjdebruijn> how exactly does xubuntu hang on start? what's the last thing you see?
[12:14] <Guest52325> I used the default, which is IDE primary master. xUbuntu is on the SATA controller.
[12:15] <pmjdebruijn> isn't vbox just trying to boot from the SD card and failing?
[12:15] <Guest52325> The SD is a physical card.
[12:15] <pmjdebruijn> at least that seems to be the obvious problem
[12:15] <pmjdebruijn> what's the last message you see?
[12:15] <pmjdebruijn> do you see the xubuntu boot splash at all?
[12:16] <pmjdebruijn> Guest52325: ?
[12:19] <Guest52325> The virtual window opens.  It never advances. Eventually an identical pop up box opens in the VM window and sticks at 20%. Eventually it fails.
[12:20] <pmjdebruijn> uhm
[12:20] <pmjdebruijn> then why do you say "xubuntu hangs"
[12:20] <pmjdebruijn> it sounds like virtualbox is hanging
[12:20] <Guest52325> I think the answer is I don't get the splash screen. The xUbuntu window is empty/black during this. If I remove the SD card from the storage, I get the colored splash screens.
[12:20] <pmjdebruijn> not xubutnu
[12:21] <pmjdebruijn> isn't this a permission issue?
[12:21] <pmjdebruijn> block device access requires root
[12:21] <Guest52325> I was thinking it was trying to boot from the SD card.
[12:21] <pmjdebruijn> and you probably and hopefully not running vbox as root
[12:21] <pmjdebruijn> Guest52325: try chaning boot order in vbox
[12:22] <pmjdebruijn> or use kvm
[12:22] <Guest52325> I am running virtualbox as admin. I also changed the permissions for the .vmdk file to all access.
[12:23] <pmjdebruijn> not a good idea, but the problem is in the permissions for /dev/whatever
[12:23] <pmjdebruijn> not the vmdk
[12:24] <pmjdebruijn> Guest52325: ?
[12:26] <Guest52325> You mean you think the win 10 permissions block SD access? The SD is not readable by Win 10 since it is EXT4.
[12:26] <pmjdebruijn> oh Win10
[12:26] <pmjdebruijn> no clue how that works in windows
[12:26] <pmjdebruijn> but did changing the boot order help?
[12:27] <Guest52325> I'm a bit confused how to change the boot order, since they both look like HDs. I have put the HD first. not joy.
[12:28] <pmjdebruijn> Guest52325: https://ccm.net/faq/40841-virtualbox-how-to-change-the-boot-order-of-a-guest-os frist google hit
[12:28] <pmjdebruijn> question is whether that lists both harddisks seperately
[12:30] <Guest52325> it doesn't, just HD. I set the SD to IDE secondary slave. not joy there.
[12:31] <pmjdebruijn> sata is a seperate controller
[12:31] <pmjdebruijn> anyhow, seems like vbox is a rather crappy product in this regard
[12:31] <pmjdebruijn> Guest52325: should really ask on a vbox specific channel
[12:32] <Guest52325> So what you are tell me is this is a VirtualBox issue. Is that right? If I remove the SD card from the VM storage fdisk -l only reports the virtual system HD.
[12:33] <pmjdebruijn> Guest52325: if you don't see xubuntu booting, while it did at first, there really isn't any other conclusion that can be drawn
[12:34] <pmjdebruijn> brainwash guessed as much to begin with
[12:34] <Guest52325> Thanks. pmjdebruijn I'll go there. Makes sense.
[19:00] <UnevenCoder> hi
[19:07] <xubuntu15w> How can I run a program as a service, and should this program run an mp3 audio?
[19:11] <GridCube> xubuntu15w: there are several ways and yes
[21:50] <swizzy> Hi, I really like the bottom panel that xfce comes with on Debian (about the only thing I like about Debian..). I've tried for a bit to recreate it 1:1 but didn't manage to do it so far. Is there any tutorial or guide on how to set something like that up?
[21:50] <swizzy> on 18.04 LTS
[21:52] <Unit193> Add the second panel, then on each end you'll need to add seperators that auto expand (setting them transparent is best), then you'll want to add a few launchers in the middle, optionally with weather or eyes on the end. :>
[21:53] <Unit193> Of course, setting it to autohide and whatnot.  I prefer giving it a nice alpha color, so it's not got an ugly gray background.
[21:53] <swizzy> Thank you! Will try to do that.
[21:53] <swizzy> is there a way to set it the same color as your task bar by default?
[22:04] <xubuntu78w> hey
[22:08] <xubuntu78w> heeeelp
[22:15] <Unit193> You'll need to ask a question, detailing what issues you're facing with as much detail as possible before someone can assist.
[22:19] <xubuntu78w> my xubuntu is frozen what can I do?
[22:20] <xubuntu78w>  It has happened to me twice, I was working and I was hanged
[22:26] <Unit193> I'm afriad that's not a whole lot to go on, so all I can really say is a query as to if you've perhaps checked the logs in /var/log/syslog, or whatnot?
[22:42] <xubuntu01w> my ubuntu stays hung
[22:42] <xubuntu01w> heeeeelp!
[23:04] <xubuntu34w>  my xubuntu stays hung
[23:04] <xubuntu34w> heeeeeeeeelp
[23:04] <xubuntu34w> What could it be?


[12:20] <cmaloney> good morning
[12:21] <brousch> https://jawbone.com/blog/napa-earthquake-effect-on-sleep/
[12:21] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/Eql5gt - How did the Napa earthquake affect sleep?
[12:43] <PhillyMelt02> I used to live in California (LA area) and was woken up by several smaller quakes during my time there.
[12:43] <PhillyMelt02> It was really tough to get back to sleep after that
[12:44] <PhillyMelt02> That is a cool article and visualization of the data
[12:47] <brousch> A small example of what we can begin to do with this internet of things and wearables
[13:03] <mrgoodcat> talking about the jawbone article?
[13:15] <brousch> yeah
[13:30] <dzho> I guess it's just me, then, that all this tracking is beyond creepy.
[13:31] <dzho> I mean, my phone still nags me because I have location services turned off.
[13:42] <brousch> Well this is opt-in tracking, so presumably these people know and approve of it
[13:48] <mrgoodcat> also, i think it would be far more creepy if it was the government
[13:49] <mrgoodcat> but since its a private company with permission it doesn't really bother me
[13:52] <PhillyMelt02> I think it also depends a lot on what you are sharing.  Location is different than sleep cycle.
[13:53] <jrwren> government can track you even with location services turned off.
[14:03] <dzho> jrwren: that's a bit circular, given that the government now points to the fact that so many people submit to monitoring by the private sector as a justification for why its no big deal that it monitors people.
[14:03] <dzho> mrgoodcat: see also
[14:04] <dzho> brousch: yeah, opt-in is really the difference, here, but that difference is papered over pretty easily.
[14:04] <dzho> brousch: thing is, widespread digital surveillance and tracking is ceasing to be opt in.
[14:05] <dzho> Want your kid to buy lunch?  Sign up with our lunch accounting web application!
[14:05] <dzho> eg, through school.
[14:05] <dzho> which, you know, is mandatory.
[14:06] <brousch> I don't understand why that bothers people. Now you know your kid is buying lunches with the lunch money
[14:07] <brousch> So does the goverment. Why is this a problem?
[14:07] <brousch> How can this be used for evil?
[14:08] <dzho> no problem at all.
[14:08] <dzho> what could possibly go wrong with holding data on food allergies, for instance?
[14:09] <dzho> tjere
[14:09] <dzho> d'oh
[14:09] <brousch> Sounds useful to me
[14:09] <dzho> of course it does.
[14:09] <dzho> just so long as the gubmint doesn't do it, because that would be creepy.
[14:09] <dzho> wtf.
[14:10] <dzho> oh, wait, this *is* the government doing it.
[14:10] <brousch> Why is that creepy?
[14:10] <dzho> heh
[14:10] <dzho> I don't know, ask mrgoodcat
[14:10] <jrwren> I don't know what I said that is circular. I simply made a related statement.
[14:10] <dzho> I trust the government to always have my best interests at heart, implicitly.
[14:11] <jrwren> Government can track you even with location services turned off.
[14:11] <dzho> jrwren: it's just a simple matter of programming, after all.
[14:12] <jrwren> dzho: will you fill out the FAFSA so your kid can get college aid?
[14:12] <dzho> jrwren: a ways off, but yeah, that'll be almost as fun as doing tax returns!
[14:13] <dzho> I can't wait!
[14:13] <jrwren> :)
[14:13] <dzho> (srsly, though, this is a funny thing people do:  You say "A sucks" so they say "oh yeah, but B sucks too so there!")
[14:13] <jrwren> My dad refused to fill out FAFSA citing privacy concerns. As a result, no college aid for me. Bonus result: I could not get college loans so graduated college debt free.
[14:14] <jrwren> I prefer my story of most other peoples story of "so much student loans"
[14:14] <dzho> You Won't Believe This Surprise Ending!
[14:14] <jrwren> haha.
[14:14] <jrwren> I did not mean to say "this sucks too"... but I totally did. Sorry about that.
[14:14] <dzho> The College Aid Secret Banks Hate.
[14:14]  * dzho <-- got a full ride back in the day
[14:14] <jrwren> What I meant to say: If you really want to stay hidden you have to turn your phone off.
[14:14] <jrwren> congrats on your full ride.
[14:15] <dzho> haha, thanks, but it was a long time ago
[14:16] <dzho> I think "public" education now costs as much as private education cost then.
[14:17] <brousch> Way more.   This is the problem Charles Stross has writing near-future fiction.  Crazy stuff keeps happening already now.)
[14:20] <brousch> Bah, tattoos are outdated. He will have a virtual tattoo which is displayed in the most popular augmented reality layers
[14:20] <mrgoodcat> tattoo changes based on who is looking at your forehead
[14:22] <jrwren> dzho: mine was a long time ago too. I don't know if an 18-25 yr old could now do what I did then.
[14:22] <brousch> You'd need a really well-paying job
[14:23] <jrwren> I didn't go to U of M either though.
[14:23] <brousch> I saw an article that basically said it's impossible to work through full-time college now
[14:23] <jrwren> And I did at least have free room and board - its called living with my Dad.
[14:23] <jrwren> brousch: work full time and college full time?  I'd suggest that its always been impossible.
[14:24] <dzho> heard a thing the other day that said back in the day you could have done it by working summers
[14:25] <jrwren> It would all depend on pay rate
[14:25] <dzho> pretty darned close, actually: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/aug/08/facebook-posts/1978-someone-minimum-wage-could-earn-enough-summer/
[14:25] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/YjcBTZ - Could a minimum-wage earner in 1978 earn enough in a summer to pay a full year's tuition? | PolitiFact
[14:25] <jrwren> Could do it now working summers if you were payed $100/yr :)
[14:26] <jrwren> oh, min wage, lolz
[14:26] <dzho> I think that's a very revealing comparison, to tie together minimum wage and tuition.
[14:27] <jrwren> I totally agre.
[14:27] <brousch> WMU just told me $8000/semester, . So you'd need to earn $2000/mo to pay for that
[14:27] <jrwren> I wonder what min wage would be if tied to tuition. Probably $50/hr or something.
[14:27] <jrwren> brousch: $2000/mo is doable, right?
[14:28] <jrwren> That is $12/hr, before taxes.
[14:28] <brousch> If you can handle 12 credit hours and work 40 hours/wk
[14:28] <jrwren> I think most college kids could find a job making that much.
[14:28] <brousch> Where such work is scheduled around your academic schedule
[14:28] <jrwren> 12 and 40 is tough. I often did 12 and 30.
[14:29] <jrwren> or 8 and 40
[14:29] <brousch> 30 hours/wk is probably more likely, and that devotes all of your weekends to work
[14:29] <jrwren> oh yeah, I didn't consider weekends.
[14:29] <jrwren> I should have picked up a Sunday job back then.
[14:29] <brousch> Maybe waiting tables or something
[14:30] <brousch> So I think it's still possible in Kalamazoo
[14:30] <jrwren> kzoo promise!
[14:30] <jrwren> but you aren't in kzoo eh?
[14:30] <brousch> No, but I use them because they have decent university in a relatively inexpensive location
[14:32] <dzho> So, let's look at the ratio in 1978:  minimum wage was $2.65, and average tuition and fees was $688.  Current avg tuition apparently is almost $9000.
[14:32] <dzho> So, minimum wage would have to be $35, if I did this right: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8150369/
[14:32] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/lj982v - Ubuntu Pastebin
[14:32] <jrwren> yow
[14:33] <dzho> but, you know, we're keeping taxes low, right?
[14:33] <dzho> hahahahaha!
[14:33] <brousch> Both of my parents worked through WMU without loans
[14:34] <jrwren> brousch: in the 60s?
[14:34] <brousch> ~1970
[14:34] <jrwren> cool.
[14:35] <dzho> source for current tuition and fees: http://www.collegedata.com/cs/content/content_payarticle_tmpl.jhtml?articleId=10064
[14:35] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/fxQlF - What's the Price Tag for a College Education? - COLLEGEdata - Pay Your Way
[14:35] <dzho> it's down the page a bit
[14:35] <jrwren> i don't know dc well enough to read it.
[14:37] <dzho> oh.
[14:37] <dzho> it's postfix notation
[14:37] <jrwren> i know.
[14:37] <jrwren> I still don't know it well enough.
[14:37] <jrwren> e.g.
[14:37] <dzho> number number operation instead of number operation number.  not that hard
[14:38] <dzho> p is "print"
[14:38] <jrwren> why is 12 13 4 / result in 0
[14:38] <jrwren> err.
[14:38] <jrwren> why is 12 3 4 / result in 0
[14:38] <dzho> the only really obscure thing is the radix
[14:38] <jrwren> but 12 4 3 / result in 1  ?
[14:38] <dzho> that's what the "4 k" bit is.
[14:38] <jrwren> that isn't short for 4000 ?
[14:38] <dzho> "here is a 4.  Make that the number of decimal points you display"
[14:38] <dzho> I don't know why they picked "k" for that.
[14:38] <jrwren> oh! that is bc's scale.
[14:39] <dzho> 12 4 3 / will give you the result of 4 divided by 3, leaving 1.mumblesomething on the stack, with 12 beneath it
[14:39] <jrwren> oh. i see.
[14:39] <dzho> a stack is really the only data structure I understand I think.
[14:39] <jrwren> 3 / 4 is zero.  12 / 0 is zero
[14:40] <jrwren> wtff. still don't grock it
[14:40] <dzho> 4 / 3 is 1
[14:40] <dzho> 5 2 - is 3
[14:40] <jrwren> haha, I grok stack, but being good at applying operators to a stack is something different.
[14:40] <dzho> heh
[14:40] <jrwren> why isn't 12 3 4 / p divide by zero ?
[14:41] <dzho> because it doesn't round, I don't think.  It just limits what it displays?
[14:41] <jrwren> oh.
[14:41] <dzho> oh
[14:41] <jrwren> yes, you are right.
[14:41] <dzho> wait. the operators are binary only
[14:41] <jrwren> thanks.
[14:41] <dzho> so, you need 12 3 4 / / p
[14:41] <jrwren> oh right, of course I do.
[14:42] <jrwren> I should have known better. I guess its been 20yrs
[14:42] <dzho> I took another go at Forth recently, so I'm sort of still tuned up a little on stack arithmetic.
[14:42] <dzho> plus dc is my go to for quick calcs
[14:42] <dzho> easy in easy out and then easy to copypasta into a text document
[14:42] <jrwren> i always figured dc should be my go to, but bc is easier because there is NOTHING to learn.
[14:42] <dzho> haha
[14:43] <jrwren> shell is pretty easy too.  echo $((12/3))
[14:43] <dzho> I tried bc once back in the day
[14:43] <dzho> ahhhhh all those extra characters!
[14:43] <dzho> but yeah, if I need something in a script $(()) is magic
[14:43] <jrwren> for shell? yeah, but I know shell, so I see right through them.
[14:44] <cmaloney> I totally use bc -l
[14:44] <dzho> echo $((1 + $RANDOM % 5)) is a favorite for LUG meeting book giveaways.
[14:44] <dzho> "pick a number between one and five"
[14:46] <cmaloney> python -c "import random;print random.randint(1,5)"
[14:46] <cmaloney> ;)
[16:04] <cmaloney> (SECURE)Electronic Account Statement<PHONE_NUMBER>_06112013 <- Seems legit
[16:28] <dzho> it has lots of numbers, it must be right!
[16:31] <nixternal> you guys still LoCo in Michigan or just MUG it?
[16:35] <cmaloney> Please rephrase?
[16:35] <cmaloney> There's still a loco in Michigan
[16:35] <cmaloney> and MUG is still going. :)
[16:35] <nixternal> yeah, shouldn't have used Michigan, should have just said Detroit :p
[16:36] <cmaloney> There's not a whole lot of activity at the loco level though
[16:36] <cmaloney> partially because most of the focus is phone or cloud, and partially because Canonical hired 'em all. ;)
[16:37] <nixternal> haha
[16:40] <greg-g> duuuuuude
[16:40]  * greg-g is in a meeting, bbiab
[16:55] <cmaloney> Oh, or we let them out of the state for some reason.
[17:05] <greg-g> bah, still in meeting and he leaves
[17:43] <brousch> Office drone just asked me to install his copies of current MS Office and Adobe Pro so he could do his homework at lunch
[18:46] <ColonelPanic001> I haven't used identi.ca in ages, looks like it has gone to meet its maker. Where are all the cool linux people now?
[18:48] <brousch> facebook
[18:52] <ColonelPanic001> :\
[18:52] <brousch> google+
[18:52] <brousch> ColonelPanic001: Accept my Go challenge
[18:59] <ColonelPanic001> hm, I'll go look in a minute
[19:00] <cmaloney> identi.ca is still there.
[19:00] <ColonelPanic001> sorry, this mobile client doesn't let me do it there, and I forgot to go there
[19:00] <ColonelPanic001> I went to identi.ca and my old uername didn't work, and when I tried to register, it didn't work. Checking the ajax request, it said registeration wasn't allowed
[19:00] <cmaloney> That said, I have a twitter bridge running and I have more than a few screenfulls of tweets
[19:01] <cmaloney> I think they're trying to offload the strain on one server
[19:02] <ColonelPanic001> I guess we could just run our own, really.
[19:02] <ColonelPanic001> that could be neat
[19:02] <cmaloney> https://microca.st is another instance
[19:02] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/fAI7qH - Welcome - Microca.st
[19:03] <cmaloney> LMK if you log in to one and I'll follow you. :)
[19:05] <ColonelPanic001> I was mostly doing it for the WSULUG
[19:05] <ColonelPanic001> but if we started a server for it anyway, that'd be cool. We could just have members have accounts there, and one for "The Lug"
[19:05] <cmaloney> Yep
[19:05] <mrgoodcat> i really need to start hosting my irc sessions on my own computer
[19:06] <mrgoodcat> my tmux runs on the WMU computer club server which has been down ~14 hours now
[19:10] <cmaloney> weechat runs on a raspberry Pi just fine
[19:17] <cmaloney> Nothing in the world worse than someone getting cuplicate email and then posting a question about it to a mailing list.
[19:18] <cmaloney> +1 me too ditto +1 +1 +1 complain aggitation anger frustration denouncement vitriol destruction harghlabalarghlblalfaragh
[19:20] <brousch> cmaloney: I know exactly which email you are talking about


[00:47] <holstein> http://holstein.shacknet.nu:8227/stream.ogg
[00:48] <holstein> live from zambra
[00:48] <holstein> here in 15 minutes or so
[01:01] <_marx_> date
[05:21] <jack_> When is the next ubuntu being released? im going to plan ahead for the release party this time
[05:21] <jack_> we had 4 people show up tot he last one haha
[05:21] <_marx_> dude, six months, when was the last one?
[05:23] <jack_> eeeeeeeeh iunno
[05:23] <jack_> 101010?
[05:23] <jack_> october? heh
[05:23] <_marx_> date
[05:23] <jack_> but i think that date was off because they wanted to release it on 42
[05:24] <_marx_> 11.04
[05:24] <_marx_> 42?
[05:25] <_marx_> what letter is this now...naughty nag
[05:27] <jack_> 42. its the answer. right? heh
[05:28] <jack_> 10.10 was released on 10.10.10, which is binary for 42
[05:30] <_marx_> meh, i don't speak binary as i am the one
[05:30] <_marx_> there is no zero
[05:32] <jack_> D:
[05:32] <jack_> thats deep
[05:34] <_marx_> pff, think about how negative one feels now
[05:43] <jack_> haha
[05:44] <jack_> gawd. gnome takes forever to compile
[06:10] <_marx_> jack_: #ubuntu remains an amazingly fast channel
[06:10]  * _marx_ can't help but wonder what you said to get banned
[06:11] <holstein> jack_: you still banned?
[06:11] <holstein> from #ubuntu?
[06:11] <_marx_> he was there earlier dispensing wisdom
[06:11] <holstein> _marx_: o/
[06:13] <_marx_> it's down to 1395 in channel now
[06:15] <_marx_> !cowsay
[06:16] <_marx_> apt-cache show cowsay
[06:17] <_marx_> !python
[07:25] <_marx_> man dd
[07:25] <_marx_> !dd
[08:43] <_marx_> d
[15:39] <jack_> yeah i got unbanned but i had to argue my case twise
[15:39] <jack_> twice
[15:40] <jack_> and the ops are real douchebags. argueing with me on my ban. all i said was 'i wanna be unbanned' and they were like 'yeah did all this stuff' and im like yeah i know, i was there
[15:40] <jack_> and they were like 'and then you joined from another server, which is ban evading'. i was like 'eeeh no. i was idling in the channel on my work machine. as you can see, it says @redhat.
[15:40] <jack_> '
[15:41] <jack_> omfg gnome is STILL compiling
[15:41] <jack_> oh. its compiling the dependencies too. only 120 more to go -_-
[17:53] <jack_> hour 15 of my gentoo compiling