[08:38] <apw> sergiodj, looks good, buttons pushed.
[12:02] <ahasenack_> good morning
[13:15] <caribou> Hello, After doing some diagnostics with the kernel team, it appears that the issue with bug LP: #1955655 has to do with some RedHat's grub patches that have not been upstreamed
[13:15] <caribou> So I thought I'd bring it to your attention. So far there is a workaround possible for Jammy but that is still useful to be fixed
[14:54] <sergiodj> apw: thanks
[15:56] <jbicha> didrocks: session-migration seems like a useful thing to have in Debian too
[16:05] <sbraz> juliank: another question about grub: do you know why grub-efi-amd64-signed's postinst script does not honour grub2/update_nvram and always attempts to change the EFI vars? it's really problematic for us
[16:07] <didrocks> jbicha: sure, if someone wants to maintain it there, we can totally push it to Debian
[16:08] <didrocks> happy if someone looks at ensuring that it’s working well with latest debhelper semantics and so on
[17:18] <juliank> sbraz: broken cloud images iirc
[17:19] <juliank> sbraz: ah the unsigned one does that correctly
[17:34] <sbraz> juliank: yup, should i file a bug about that? AFAICT it's a problem debian doesn't have
[19:25] <smoser> anyone have an idea? i'm poking around with sbuild. on one system i'm getting CHROOT_SESSION_PURGE = false . on another it is true.
[19:25] <smoser> man schroot-setup says 'Set to ‘true’ if a session will be purged, otherwise ‘false’.
[19:27] <smoser> but both systems i'm just running sbuild through sbuild-launchpad-chroot.  any idea what that means ?
[19:27] <smoser> its causing me to take the 'exit 0' path at https://git.launchpad.net/~motu/ubuntu/+source/sbuild-launchpad-chroot/tree/etc/schroot/setup.d/90apt-sources#n40
[19:28] <jbicha> do you have anything set in ~/.sbuildrc ?
[19:31] <smoser> no. not on either system. i think i jjust found the difference.  one had 'union-type=overlay' one did not.
[19:32] <smoser> but that doesn't give me any clue as to what it means.
[19:34] <jbicha> that shouldn't make a difference. Are /etc/sbuild/sbuild.conf the same on both systems?
[19:35] <smoser> md5sum says 3d9f80ebf37db6f00583bdb103a5ca21 on both (i think that is stock 20.04 0.79.0-1ubuntu1)
[20:05] <smoser> well, filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/+bugs/1968782
[22:39] <neachdainn> I'm making a personal package for the first time and I've encountered a potential challenge regarding depending on / linking to Python. Is there a way to specify that I want to depend on and link to some available `libpython3 >= 3.8.0` but not be more specific?
[22:41] <neachdainn> I would like this partially because I want to use the most up-to-date version of Python I can but I require _at least_ 3.8, and partially because it would be convenient to not have to make a new package for each Ubuntu version I'm running.


[02:40] <nicomachus> *sigh* https://imgur.com/ZIM3t6f
[02:42] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: ^ Sad, not at all a Christian attitude .
[02:43] <nicomachus> reported to #ubuntu-ops, but they must all be away because he's still in the channel.
[02:43] <nicomachus> not quite sure what he's so upset about... never seen the user before.
[02:48] <Bashing-om> maybe giving enough rope to hang his self ?
[02:48] <nicomachus> maybe. he just quit though.
[02:53] <TJ-> seems like a gang of unusual attitudes all at the same time - provocateurs or coincidence
[02:54] <nicomachus> friday night....
[02:54] <nicomachus> well, in the states at lesat.
[02:54] <nicomachus> least*
[02:54] <Ben64> they're the people who didn't get to see star wars
[02:54] <nicomachus> LOL
[02:57] <TJ-> I'll give them some USB packet analysis to keep them busy :)
[02:57] <TJ-> It's not 'Mint' but hey! they're part of the community so they won't mind :)
[02:58] <TJ-> oh, now its in -kernel
[02:58] <nicomachus> hmmm... should I join to watch the struggle?
[02:58] <TJ-> no ones awake there, its mainly only the Canonical kernel team, and its winter break time now
[02:59] <nicomachus> Canonical team gets winter break? lucky...
[02:59] <TJ-> well, lots of folks are breaking for a long vacation
[02:59] <nicomachus> ah.
[03:00] <nicomachus> then again, I do get a week a half vacation starting Wednesday while I transition between jobs.
[03:00] <TJ-> Canonical is London based and generally adopts EU/UK holiday rules which means an allowance of at least 20 days a year
[03:01] <TJ-> plus the national days (bank holidays in the UK)
[03:01] <Tarminquay> When's 15.11 being released?
[03:01] <TJ-> sorry, 28 not s0
[03:01] <Tarminquay> 15.10 is pretty old now.
[03:01] <TJ-> not 20
[03:02] <nicomachus> Tarminquay: there is no 15.11
[03:39] <nicomachus> TJ-: what's the difference there?
[03:41] <TJ-> nicomachus: read it as dot, followed by not-dot, followed by anything (this prevents the copy following the ../ into the parent directory when doing recursive operations
[03:41] <TJ-> nicomachus: it doesn't deal with the files vs directories though - that needs 'find'
[03:42] <nicomachus> ahhh I see. I didn't consider that it would catch ../ and go into the parent.
[04:12] <Bashing-om> Good nite .. I expect more fun tomorrow :)
[06:55] <Tarminquay> We need a version of Ubuntu. The 15.10 is getting obsolete.
[07:05] <Ben64> no
[09:34] <slidinghorn> can we ban taminqua from the channel? They only come in here to troll, it seems
[09:34] <cfhowlett> slidinghorn, send it to !ops
[09:34] <cfhowlett> slidinghorn, also: if using hexchat, you can personally ignore
[09:35] <slidinghorn> i have irssi...i can...just figured it'd be for the good of everyone, lol
[10:18] <lordievader> Good morning.
[13:23] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:11] <OerHeks> oh, our favorite troll bill gates is back, enjoy!
[14:15] <BluesKaj> I see that OerHeks ..fun :-)
[14:16] <OerHeks> meh .. ubuntu /n /l is not dutch
[14:16]  * OerHeks fooly
[14:16] <BluesKaj> who cares if he's from china, does he think that gives him extra priveleges ? :-)
[14:17] <OerHeks> i thought to know he was trolling :-D
[14:17] <OerHeks> nervermind, i should finish my coffee, but i have walked my dog
[16:33] <daftykins> hi team o/
[16:33]  * daftykins gets back to ripping Opera
[16:34] <EriC^^> lol
[16:34] <daftykins> wow, this disc has _one_ track
[16:34] <daftykins> 55 mins 22
[16:34] <EriC^^> wow
[16:35] <MonkeyDust> which artist?
[16:35] <daftykins> it's a 20 disc set of operas by Giacomo Puccini
[16:35] <daftykins> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51MPpSlU3QL._SY355_.jpg
[16:35] <MonkeyDust> hybryds, and steve reich make lo,g tracks, too
[16:35] <MonkeyDust> nong*
[16:36] <MonkeyDust> long d'oh!
[16:36] <daftykins> i do like me some post rock usually that goes quite long :)
[16:36] <daftykins> haha here we go, it's an opera in one act
[16:36] <daftykins> Il Trittico - Il Tabarro
[16:37] <MonkeyDust> have you ever been to a live show?
[16:38] <MonkeyDust> i mean, an opera?
[16:38] <daftykins> nah, these are a clients' sets i'm doing for him
[16:38] <daftykins> he goes regularly with a friend in London from what i understand
[16:38] <MonkeyDust> !info mp3splt-gtk
[16:39] <daftykins> i use FLAC :)
[16:39] <MonkeyDust> is better, lossless, like wav
[16:40] <MonkeyDust> and .tiff for pictures
[16:41] <daftykins> my angle is more that you only have to go from the discs once, then you can convert from there to anything else you might need, so still MP3 (V0) for mobile devices
[16:41] <daftykins> given the cost of storage though, it makes sense to just do it once to FLAC then store the CDs :)
[16:42] <MonkeyDust> "a cunning plan"
[16:44] <MonkeyDust> there, e17 DE in my VM
[16:45] <TJ-> time to upgrade to E20  :)
[16:46] <MonkeyDust> Germany is getting nervous... should I worry?
[16:46] <MonkeyDust> the 'sanctions' sounds different when it's said by Germany
[16:47] <OerHeks> heh, Germany is giving arms to the Kurds, and Turkey bombs them... stupid nato fools
[16:47] <OerHeks> but Germany closed all nuclear reactors, so i am more affraid of Belgium, MonkeyDust
[16:48] <MonkeyDust> true
[16:49] <MonkeyDust> we always seem to need something to be afraid of... the communists, the cruise missiles, isis, refugees...
[16:51] <OerHeks> Eutopia-disaster
[16:55] <MonkeyDust> i'm not agains 'Europe', but i'm against *this* 'Europe'
[16:56] <MonkeyDust> and i hate to say, but a war is needed to accomplish what they want to do with Europe... messing with borders etc
[17:23]  * OerHeks is now known as FakeSanta but also known as OerHeks
[17:36] <daftykins> tgm4883: o/
[17:38] <OerHeks> typical a "it is saturday and i am bored" issue > IISAIAB
[17:40] <daftykins> where? :)
[17:48] <TJ-> mmmm, fry-up time. Need a break
[17:53] <TJ-> if anyone sees "sasha_" in any of the channels, talking about a driver for the RTS5227/A for v3.19, can you point him to https://iam.tj/projects/misc/rts5227.tar.bz2 and tell him to view the README inside it for installation instructions.
[17:57] <BluesKaj> TJ-, did a whois , he's logged in but not listing him in any channels
[18:02] <TJ-> hmm, I did and didn't see him
[18:02] <TJ-> sasha_: No such nick/channel
[18:03] <TJ-> the user I'm referring to is [sasha_]<EMAIL_ADDRESS>was realname
[18:03] <TJ-> I was advising on kernel module patching around 0400 UTC, was last on around 1300 UTC
[18:19] <MonkeyDust> someone remind me what i was doing
[18:19] <daftykins> establishing world peace, iirc
[18:19] <MonkeyDust> right
[18:21] <OerHeks> oh dear
[18:22] <MonkeyDust> there's a reason why i use FF and not chromium, but i forget the reason
[19:40] <phunyguy> SemiNus/ShadowM00n, the issue is there are usually close to 2000 users in that channel.  Best to keep it clear for support only.  ☺
[19:41] <daftykins> +1
[19:41] <SemiNus> phunyguy, yep, I get the idea, it only sounds a little weird when there is a totally silent channel,  and a little life is coming up,  and then... ;-)
[19:41] <SemiNus> but I totally accept it
[19:42] <phunyguy> yep, it's easy for one question to get lost in the joins/parts alone
[19:42] <phunyguy> nevermind offtopic banter/discussion
[19:42] <ShadowM00n> I filtered those out so long ago I forgot they were a problem. good point.
[19:42] <daftykins> those of us who support folk, need to keep them on to know when our victims leave
[19:42] <daftykins> err i mean helpees
[19:43] <phunyguy> haaah
[19:43] <SemiNus> looool
[19:43] <SemiNus> hey guys, I remember when I was 15 years old,  I started using Linux
[19:43] <SemiNus> and I asked for help
[19:43] <phunyguy> Come join us in #ubuntu-offtopic as well.  We have cookies.
[19:43] <SemiNus> and they told me "rm -rf /" as root
[19:43] <SemiNus> and I did
[19:43] <SemiNus> :(
[19:43] <phunyguy> yeah don't mention that command here.  Straight path to the ban-wagon
[19:43] <SemiNus> they found it funny.   As a matter of fact,  I learned to read before executing commands
[19:44] <ShadowM00n> isn't it impossible to nuke the system with that now?
[19:44] <daftykins> nope
[19:44] <phunyguy> it totally still is.
[19:44] <ShadowM00n> huh. I must not have tried hard enough.
[19:44] <daftykins> it'd need sudo in ubuntu land of course ;)
[19:44] <ShadowM00n> could've sworn when I did that in a vm it refused to do something.
[19:44] <phunyguy> yeah it needs root privs
[19:44] <ShadowM00n> this was some time ago though, I may be entirely mistaken
[19:45] <phunyguy> also it won't delete /proc, /dev etc
[19:45] <phunyguy> but the rest is gone :P
[19:45] <phunyguy> and it will inevitably get to a point where stuff starts to fai then you can't delete anyway.
[19:45] <phunyguy> fail*
[19:46] <ShadowM00n> I thought I saw some message telling me I was being naughty and then refusing to do it
[19:46] <ShadowM00n> I'll have to try again
[19:50] <ShadowM00n> ah, there it is
[19:51] <ShadowM00n> it is dangerous to operate recursively on "/"
[19:51] <ShadowM00n> use --no-preserve-root to override this failsafe
[19:58] <phunyguy> oh nice
[20:00] <daftykins> what version is that?
[20:01] <ShadowM00n> 15.10, but I first saw that years ago
[20:01] <daftykins> i wonder if the forkbomb is protected against yet :)
[20:03] <ShadowM00n> heh
[20:03] <ShadowM00n> I haven't tried!
[20:03] <ShadowM00n> curiously enough, that system reboots cleanly when I switch to upstart. Guess that rules out a global bug, more or less.
[20:05] <daftykins> no idea what you mean
[20:05] <ShadowM00n> nope, no protection against the classics
[20:06] <ShadowM00n> daftykins: sorry, thinking out loud. I was in #ubuntu originally because upstart on my main machine causes said machine to hang during reboot
[20:06] <ShadowM00n> but yeah, fork bombs are still a valid troll
[20:10] <daftykins> wow, finished the last opera disc rip... now i have 18GB of FLAC to transcode
[20:19] <daftykins> 1 hour for a core 2 duo to convert ;)
[20:22] <daftykins> Bashing-om: o/
[20:23] <daftykins> heh i'm going to throw that FLAC onto my desktop and see how the quad core likes it instead ;)
[20:23] <daftykins> i think my i5 laptop would destroy everything else actually
[20:23] <ShadowM00n> now I wish I had a huge file to feed to my 8-core
[20:23] <daftykins> smells like AMD
[20:23] <ShadowM00n> guilty
[20:23] <BluesKaj> daftykins, converting flac to ?
[20:24] <daftykins> mp3, the FLAC is for PC playback for the client, mp3 is for *groan* iPods
[20:24] <ShadowM00n> an appropriate reaction
[20:25] <Bashing-om> daftykins: \o ... Saturdau, set for a wild ride ?
[20:25] <daftykins> sure am :)
[20:26] <daftykins> ok my desktop states 47 mins left compared to the server
[20:26] <BluesKaj> can't ipods run wav?
[20:26] <daftykins> Q6600 vs. E6750
[20:28] <daftykins> i'm gonna get my laptop now and see by how much the i5 trounces those two
[20:28] <BluesKaj> why lossy..oh well i'm an old audiophile who doesn't understand why mp3 is still used when we have so much mopre storage capacity that mp3 is no longer necessary
[20:28] <BluesKaj> more even'
[20:29] <ShadowM00n> my audio player is only 8GB
[20:30] <daftykins> BluesKaj: he's got a tiny 64GB player that's almost full for the travelling iPod now, the ones that stay beside his amps are classic models with plenty of space though
[20:33] <BluesKaj> heh, guess I'm  a luddite, I still use cds in my vehicle, but i don't use 'phones or listen to music when I'm walking somewhere
[20:38] <BluesKaj> compression distortion still bothers my ears
[20:39] <daftykins> i don't own a car, but if i'm in the mood for something i really like i might throw the FLAC on a device :)
[20:39] <ShadowM00n> I...literally can't tell the difference on a high-quality mp3 unless I have exceptionally bad speakers/headphones
[20:39] <ShadowM00n> or exceptionally good, depending on one's outlook, I guess
[20:39] <BluesKaj> good speakers show the difference, not bad ones
[20:40] <ShadowM00n> I'd like to think that my desktop's headset is fairly good, though admittedly sound hardware is something I haven't looked into much
[20:40] <ShadowM00n> not sure where to start, honestly
[20:41] <BluesKaj> the source hardware and media used
[20:42] <daftykins> haha, the software tries to run 4 threads on my laptop due to hyperthreading and so it talks 2hrs to do it instead of 40 mins on my really-quad core desktop
[20:42] <daftykins> that's amusing :>
[20:57] <daftykins> sorry folks but that mrsam is an asshole, regardless of language barrier.
[20:57] <ShadowM00n> hahaha
[20:57] <ShadowM00n> it's been popcorn.gif the whole time, for sure
[21:04] <OerHeks> asking in at least 2 channels, funny cross posters
[21:04] <daftykins> mrsam is?
[21:04] <OerHeks> no, ablest
[21:04] <daftykins> oh yeah, common criminal that one
[21:04] <daftykins> rarely learns, too
[21:05] <daftykins> where's the other spot?
[21:05] <OerHeks> #u-o
[21:05] <daftykins> ah cheeky swine! doesn't he know that's offtopic? :D
[21:05] <BluesKaj>  mrsam is in Iran
[21:05] <daftykins> that rhymes!
[21:05] <OerHeks> i might better watch a re-run of MIB II on tv
[21:06] <daftykins> i don't think i ever saw beyond the first
[21:06] <OerHeks> i don't think there is a book of it
[21:08] <ShadowM00n> there was a comic series
[21:08] <ShadowM00n> which was far more brutal and less Will Smith-y
[21:23] <daftykins> all 993 converted, excellent - that'll be a fun gift come Monday
[21:36] <nicomachus> just bought an old LED monitor from a thrift store and assumed that whatever market they used to write the price on the screen would come off easy... I was wrong. Any tips for getting this stuff off?
[21:48] <TJ-> nicomachus: IPA?
[21:48] <nicomachus> like the beer?
[21:49] <TJ-> isoproyl alcohol, surgical spirit possibly
[21:49] <OerHeks> butter
[21:49] <TJ-> isopropyl alcohol
[21:49] <nicomachus> lol ah. I called the store and they said to use a pencil eraser... that seems a bit risky.
[21:50] <TJ-> I wouldn't use anything abrasive
[21:50] <TJ-> IPA dissolves superglue it ought to work on permanent ink
[21:50] <nicomachus> okey doke
[21:51] <nicomachus> I've got some 91
[21:51] <TJ-> I use it routinely for all my electronics cleaning jobs
[21:51] <nicomachus> yea I usually use for internals
[21:52] <nicomachus> yep it's getting it. slowly.
[21:52] <daftykins> hmm perhaps IPA would be ok on my laptop screen too? so covered in muck yet some anti-static alcohol wipes had dried out :(
[21:53] <TJ-> provided its evaporated/cleaned before turning something on it should be fine. I find a mild washing detergent better for laptop screens for general dust/dirt build-up though
[21:54] <daftykins> hmm think i've only got the dilute-requiring all purpose cleaners
[21:54] <daftykins> perhaps a big spray bottle with a tiny drop in then filled up with water would be a good supply
[21:54] <TJ-> 'Fairy' liquid is what I'm talking about
[21:55] <nicomachus> there we go, all clean.
[21:55] <TJ-> washing-up liquid
[21:55] <nicomachus> thanks TJ-
[21:55] <daftykins> ah-har i've plenty of that :>
[21:56] <TJ-> daftykins:  not enough to have it foam, just a few bubbles, warm water helps, too, dip clean lint-free cloth in it, squeeze out, then wipe the screen whilst it is horizontal and have a drying cloth to hand to ensure the liquid doesn't escape under the bezel
[21:57] <TJ-> And for your next challenge, remove each key and wash :)
[21:57] <daftykins> i've done that a few times with my mechanical here
[21:57] <daftykins> quite the undertaking!
[21:57] <daftykins> the laptop however, not sure that'd be wise
[21:57] <TJ-> yes, it rejuventates keyboards really well
[21:58] <TJ-> laptops are easier to clean I find because they use small cantilever clips and have silicon domes, no mechanical springs to catch as they fly around :)
[21:59] <TJ-> once you've figured out the which way to come in with the prising tool to pop the caps off they're pretty fast to strip
[21:59] <TJ-> and its far easier than reverse-engineering a Windows USB driver :)
[22:00] <daftykins> they do all have muck on every vertical side :(
[22:16] <Bashing-om> Gonna go update 15.04 to 15.10 .. be back shortly .
[22:18] <OerHeks> wait ...
[22:18] <OerHeks> oh
[22:18]  * OerHeks facepalms and sits down
[23:03] <daftykins> weird users.
[23:06] <nicomachus> s/weird/weekend/
[23:06] <daftykins> :D
[23:07] <daftykins> install Windows through Ubuntu, good lord.
[23:13] <nicomachus> do you ever wish you could have a tag on your username that just says "just trust me and do what I say"
[23:14] <daftykins> well it'd be quickly ignored once i did something wrong :D
[23:40] <nicomachus> well, probably could have predicted that would turn out as it did.
[23:42] <daftykins> yip
[23:45] <Bashing-om> Back on ! On alternate installed system release upgrade to 15.10 went without a hitch or hickup . Smooth !
[23:45] <daftykins> ^_^
[23:45] <daftykins> gotta be honest i didn't expect it ;)
[23:46] <Bashing-om> This ole hardware, I am impressd it even runs !
[23:46] <nicomachus> non-LTS release on old hardware?