[00:24] <Heort> How to install amdpro drivers ?
[00:39] <tomreyn> !amd | Heort
[00:40] <tomreyn> i.e. you'd been on your own there, need to check with AMD
[00:42] <Heort> tomreyn, thanks
[00:42] <aog> indeed jhutchins, thank you
[00:48] <Gallomimia> you never go full Windows. you went Full Windows, and made an automated update take 10 minutes during a restart. Even tho I have auto updates turned off. and now, the installed updates window has crashed and won't show me what it did to my system
[00:48] <Gallomimia> hah. popped up just as i said that
[01:05] <tomreyn> Gallomimia: /var/log/apt has logs on what was done
[01:08] <Gallomimia> thank you that's quite helpful
[01:12] <Heort> I want to get small ubuntu iso or ubuntu based system and boot it to ram and play my games.On reboot everything would be errased. What can you suggest ?
[01:15] <tomreyn> Heort: why would you want that to run from ram?
[01:16] <Heort> tomreyn, when reboot everything to be errased. When i press shutdown button power off and rams clear.
[01:17] <Heort> +my ddr5 6000mhz ram loads faster than my ssd
[01:17] <tomreyn> i understand what it means to run from ram(disk). i don't understand why you'd want to do so.
[01:17] <Heort> im talking about app transfer
[01:17] <tomreyn> you'd still need to load the system from some storage first of all
[01:18] <Heort> no im talking to load entire system to ram
[01:18] <tomreyn> i understood so much
[01:19] <Heort> yes i load from usb grub "toram" parameter begin to coppying to ram memory and then boots
[01:19] <tomreyn> persistence has its benefits, though, you can update kernels, much better configure how modules are loaded (with parameters) and keep state.
[01:19] <Heort> what i need is a small system
[01:20] <Heort> yea with persistence to update the drivers 1st
[01:24] <Heort> InShort: will sacrifice the time that takes coppying. The image would be advance configurated with all modules needed and updated. And then boots use and clear. And bootloop. :)
[01:25] <tomreyn> sounds like you have a plan, nowyou just need to set it up ;)
[01:26] <Heort> the plan is already done and achieved.what i need is smaller distro size to be optimised. :)
[01:26] <Gallomimia> sounds like a worthy project
[01:35] <Bashing-om> Heort: Check this too: https://unit193.net/xubuntu/core/ .
[01:40] <Heort> Bashing-om, Thank you. You are very helpfull today everywhere. :)
[05:01] <justsomeguy22> hello, anyone here good with ssh that could answer a question?
[05:03] <mybalzitch> just ask
[05:04] <justsomeguy22> is an sshkey related to the rootpassword in anyway?
[05:05] <justsomeguy22> like, if i reset the root password to a virtual machine terminal online, does that break the sshkey logon?
[05:05] <mybalzitch> no
[05:06] <justsomeguy22> ah i got it
[05:06] <justsomeguy22> i forgot what the hell i did as i set it up years ago and was confused
[05:06] <justsomeguy22> i deleted the "root" account that's what was trippingme up
[05:06] <justsomeguy22> thanks @mybalzitch
[05:07] <mybalzitch> happy hacking
[05:07] <justsomeguy22> hacking into my own server :D
[05:07] <justsomeguy22> have you tried some ointment for your balz
[05:09] <mybalzitch> its genetic
[05:10] <plt2> Question: How do you add more titles like what windows 11 supports and I am using gnome
[05:12] <justsomeguy22> @mybalzitch actually?
[05:13] <mybalzitch> no.
[05:14] <plt2> That should be a easy question to answer
[05:14] <arraybolt3> mybalzitch, justsomeguy22: Please keep the discussion family friendly, as per the IRC Guidelines.
[05:14] <arraybolt3> plt2: Titles?
[05:15] <plt2> Windows 11 supports
[05:15] <arraybolt3> plt2: Sorry, I'm not familiar with Windows 11 and so don't know what "titles" are. If you could explain what feature you're looking for, I might be able to help you find something similar.
[05:16] <plt2> windows 11 wiki
[05:17] <arraybolt3> plt2: Do you mean taskbar labels? Sorry, I'm trying to figure out what you're describing since I have never used Windows 11 before and am somewhat unfamiliar even with older versions of Windows.
[05:17] <plt2> Linux calls it fixed windows work spaces
[05:18] <arraybolt3> OH! That.
[05:18] <arraybolt3> One moment...
[05:19] <arraybolt3> plt2: https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/shell-workspaces.html.en
[05:21] <plt2> Nice. The work spaces is not showing up on the top of the screen.
[05:21] <plt2> I got it
[05:53] <snay> hola
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> plt2: there is a handy workspaces indicator in the repos too if you like, will give you workspaces to click in the right upper corner
[08:50] <cosmicrajiv> hi all i have install ubuntu 22.04.2. It seems nvidia drivers have installed already. I installed the nvidia-dkms-525 using apt-get.  have i done it correctly?
[08:53] <lotus|NUC> cosmicrajiv: sudo lshw -C video to see if drivers picked up your card
[08:55] <cosmicrajiv> lotus|NUC; is it 'sudo lshw -C'
[08:55] <cosmicrajiv> only
[09:01] <cosmicrajiv>  lotus|NUC: this is the output https://paste.debian.net/1272992/
[09:02] <cosmicrajiv> is this ok?
[09:02] <lotus|NUC> cosmicrajiv: its recognized yeah; driver=nvidia latency=0
[09:03] <cosmicrajiv> ok. thanks
[09:53] <condor> Hi! The newer HP PCs came equipped with the Wolf Security Manager and so I can't install any Linux distro. Suggestions? Many thanks.
[09:55] <lotuspsychje> condor: for windows based software you can always try if 'wine' can run it
[09:55] <lotuspsychje> !wine | condor
[09:56] <lotuspsychje> condor: on the other hand, ubuntu security model works different then windows based software/Os maybe you wouldnt need that software
[09:59] <condor> lotuspsychje, ubottu : I want to erase actual win and install a linux distro. thanks
[09:59] <lotuspsychje> condor: did you mean that wolf security is blocking installing ubuntu from bios/uefi side?
[10:00] <condor> lotuspsychje: Bingoo! That is!
[10:00] <lotuspsychje> condor: can you tell us what happens when you try to boot the ubuntu usb?
[10:04] <condor> lotuspsychje, All is well during install but when reboot i, system refuse to start.
[10:05] <lotuspsychje> condor: you will need to find some security settings inside your bios probably, did you install with secureboot enabled or disabled?
[10:07] <lotuspsychje> condor: prob this is what you got, at the bios alinea; https://www.itpro.com/security/endpoint-security/360156/the-many-layers-of-endpoint-security
[10:09] <condor> lotuspsychje, the new HP bios has an entire security platform and i don't know to set those parameters. I have the link to a pdf with that new hp bios.
[10:09] <lotuspsychje> can you share that manual plz?
[10:11] <condor> lotuspsychje, for this sharing is a protocol on this channel or only copy/paste?
[10:11] <lotuspsychje> direct link to the pdf is ok condor
[10:13] <condor> lotuspsychje, http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c06114605
[10:15] <lotuspsychje> condor: try to disable all sorts of security checks on boot, like bios sure start and firmware intrusion detection etc
[10:16] <lotuspsychje> condor: also make sure you have secureboot and fastboot disabled
[10:16] <condor> ok, i will do it
[10:16] <lotuspsychje> i havent played a bios like that before, so its gonna be searching a bit what still blocks your ubuntu usb boot
[10:19] <condor> ok, it's clear that all comes from bios, because of the clean installation i made
[10:21] <lotuspsychje> condor: i also assume so, check the values on the security settings in bios that are default ENABLED and try to switch them off one by one to see wich value its blocking
[10:21] <condor> ok, i see
[10:23] <condor> now i quit to do a new attempt :)
[10:23] <lotuspsychje> good luck condor
[10:24] <condor> thanks a lot for all
[12:31] <lexa_> LeXa2013
[12:31] <lexa_> LeXa2016
[12:35] <hiya> How to install latest OEM kernel during installation only?
[12:36] <hiya> I wish to install 22.04.2 LTS
[12:42] <ravage> the installer does not support any custom kernels
[13:01] <hiya> ravage: So I ve to install the OEM kernel post installation only?
[13:02] <lotuspsychje> didnt you ask that same question a few times already hiya
[13:15] <hiya> lotuspsychje: Yes
[13:18] <FKAShinobi> which dbus event to I need to monitor dpms events such as monitor wakeup?
[13:18] <FKAShinobi> For Ubuntu 22.04.
[13:21] <hiya> What is different between linux-oem-a,b,c?
[13:21] <hiya> difference*
[13:21] <hiya> Is it just about newer kernels?
[13:28] <vinicius> test
[13:31] <hiya> sup vinicius
[13:31] <Jeremy31> hiya: Looks like a uses 5.17, b uses 6.0 and c uses 6.1
[13:32] <hiya> Jeremy31: Yes, it does, so the naming is just about the updated version?
[13:32] <hiya> My laptop is certified by Ubuntu, so it is safe to run OEM, right? :P
[13:33] <Jeremy31> hiya: If the current kernel works, stay with it
[13:34] <hiya> Jeremy31: it is broken, on Ubuntu 22.10 - hence switching back to 22.04 [not like it is fixed over there either], but since it is fixed in Linux 6.x, and because my laptop is already Ubuntu certified
[13:34] <hiya> Hence tryin
[13:34] <hiya> And currently 22.04 is the only way to get a safer Linux 6 kernel
[13:34] <InitialCrow> Hello its here for support ? I realy need Help of tech
[13:36] <xx> InitialCrow: you can try asking in here
[13:48] <xx> InitialCrow: don't PM people, ask in the channel
[13:48] <InitialCrow68> how sory
[13:49] <xx> the same way you typed "how sory"
[13:50] <InitialCrow68> OK ty sry 1rst time here
[13:50] <hiya> InitialCrow68: Welcome! congratas
[13:51] <hiya> Congrats*
[13:58] <InitialCrow68> Suddenly, I have a problem with wayland, I currently have a config with 6 screens 4 on an nvida GTX 1070 ti graphics card and 2 on intel i9 11900k and I can't get the mutli screens with the igpu intel, the intel screens stay black, but are recognized in gnome if i switch to x org everything works fine but wayland is so much smoother the 4 screens
[13:58] <InitialCrow68> on the nvidia map work fine. I searched everywhere, tried a lot of config, which made me reinstall Ubuntu 50 times, I would like to know if it's the configuration, the drivers, or the implementation in mutter to know if since all this time , I'm racking my brains for nothing maybe one of you can help me? on windows the result is incredibly fluid,
[13:58] <InitialCrow68> on xorg a little less, and on wayland same result as on windows but without the 2 igpu screens.
[14:19] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[15:33] <webchat59> Just looking for the right place to provide some feedback about a sluggish operation using Ubuntu desktop.
[15:38] <fab161> Hello everybody. I have a little queation regarding snaps: It it save to remove the application specific folder in /home/user/snap/ after a snap got removed via snap remove ...?
[15:41] <jhutchins> fab161: Sounds like bad packaging if it didn't clean up after itself.  Did it produce data that you might want to save so the directory isn't empty?
[15:42] <jhutchins> Some applications will leave data or config files behind in case you want them, even with dpkg.
[15:43] <esv> hey folks, I have an Ubuntu 22.04 with 2 display ports attached to the computer, every time it goes into sleep mode, the machine does not wake the monitor up. I
[15:43] <fab161> I installed the matrix client fractal. Then I noticed that it kept logging me out of my account after closing the application. So I removed it. This went fine, however, I still have the folder ~/snap/fractal on the system. I think I don't need any remaining data.
[15:46] <esv> would this be a setting of the OS or monitor, the displays woke up when I brought the display settings menu up
[16:01] <helmut> hi. would someone know where I can find details on how the /usr-merge works on recent (>= kinetic) ubuntu releases? I'm coming from Debian and was expecting usr-is-merged, but that doesn't exist. If I simply mmdebstrap kinetic, the resulting system is unmerged, which sounds wrong to me.
[16:09] <jhutchins> helmut: I'm sure there's been discussion on the lists and/or forums.  They're better for persistent info anyway.
[16:09] <helmut> I'm not trying to discuss the approach, merely understand and make it work
[16:12] <helmut> so the thing is: if I just mmdebstrap kinetic, it'll produce an unmerged rootfs and that looks wrong. If I mmdebstrap --hook-dir=/usr/share/mmdebstrap/hooks/merged-usr it fails, because it expects usr-is-merged to be a package, but it is not.
[16:13] <helmut> ah. it is available from universe
[16:16] <ravage> helmut: https://p.haxxors.com/l28av63a.txt what do you expect here?
[16:16] <helmut> ravage: that's what I expect, but not what I get
[16:17] <helmut> once I add --components main,universe mmdebstrap's maybe-merged-usr hook works (as usr-is-merged exists in universe) and then I get a proper merged-/usr
[16:18] <ravage> ok. the images generated by ubuntu all look merged as expected
[16:18] <helmut> yes, this is an issue with mmdebstrap
[16:23] <jhutchins> !info mmdebstrap
[16:26] <helmut> either way. the workaround is to always add universe and then things magically just work.
[16:36] <mybalzitch> lol
[17:07] <stephenmw> hi all. what is the command to run to start the server install from the desktop image?
[17:08] <ravage> That is what the server iso is for
[17:09] <stephenmw> sorry, I meant the cli installer
[17:09] <leftyfb> stephenmw: Ubuntu Server + Desktop GUI packages install = Ubuntu Desktop
[17:09] <stephenmw> I am SSH'd into a machine running the ubuntu desktop live and I want to install it to the disk
[17:10] <ravage> I don't think there is any cli installer
[17:10] <leftyfb> stephenmw: there is no CLI installer for the latest releases of ubuntu
[17:10] <stephenmw> really? That is unfortunate...
[17:10] <stephenmw> maybe I can install vnc...
[17:10] <leftyfb> stephenmw: also, you cannot install just Ubuntu server using the desktop live iso
[17:11] <stephenmw> I am not trying to install ubuntu server, I miscommunicated. I want to install the desktop via CLI
[17:11] <stephenmw> because that is all I have access to at the moment
[17:11] <leftyfb> stephenmw: it's a graphical installer
[17:12] <stephenmw> pretty sure you can start the CLI installer from the desktop CD at boot time
[17:12] <stephenmw> so it has to be there...
[17:12] <leftyfb> there is no CLI installer
[17:12] <stephenmw> fair enough, been awhile since I have done this. I am remotely supporting my mother who had the emmc in her cheap computer fail.
[17:13] <stephenmw> I guess I will try installing VNC or something
[17:14] <stephenmw> leftyfb, wait, the server installer exists though, right? As does a minimal install CD?
[17:14] <leftyfb> stephenmw: yes and no
[17:15] <stephenmw> why no?
[17:15] <leftyfb> stephenmw: the server installer is still graphical, no CLI installer. There is no longer a mini.iso for the latest releases
[17:15] <stephenmw> oh wow, okay, so they completely got rid of it. Any recommendation on an easy to setup VNC server? :-)
[17:26] <ravage> stephenmw: this is my current way to install Jammy via netboot/ssh. Im sure you have to change some stuff. But maybe the general idea works for you https://p.haxxors.com/j6dqr9b6.txt
[17:26] <ravage> especially the RAID stuff may not be what you want
[17:28] <jhutchins> stephenmw: I'm not clear how you're going to install an OS if the storage drive has failed.
[17:28] <stephenmw> jhutchins, the second storage drive :-)
[17:29] <stephenmw> I installed a 1TiB drive for files. It is slower, so I kept the OS on the emmc
[17:29] <jhutchins> Ah, so you're looking for a minimally intrusive install process that will preserve the data on the drive.
[17:30] <stephenmw> nah, I backed up the stuff that matters
[17:30] <stephenmw> happy to blow it all away
[17:30] <stephenmw> ... once the backup completes in about 20 minutes
[17:31] <alkisg> stephenmw: in your router, port-forward 5500 and run vncviewer -listen; in her pc via ssh, as root, run: apt install epoptes-client; export $(/usr/share/epoptes-client/get-display); x11vnc -connect your-ip
[17:31] <alkisg> This will give you GUI access to the live cd
[17:32] <stephenmw> alkisg, thanks! I was messing with tightvnc's "xstartup" trying to find a magic incantation that would give me a usable env.
[17:33] <stephenmw> ravage, I have decided not to go with debootstrap because I don't have the ability to recover if my install is broken in some way. I have done similar things many times and know that it often doesn't work the first time :-)
[17:34] <stephenmw> ravage, literally this week I did something similar to get a custom OS running on a VPS from a provider that doesn't let you easily provide an install disk.
[17:35] <stephenmw> took me 3 tries to get it booted (mostly because they didn't support uefi and I didn't realize it)
[17:35] <ravage> yes you may need a few tries
[17:48] <stephenmw> alkisg, ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ /usr/share/epoptes-client/get-display
[17:48] <stephenmw> DISPLAY=
[17:48] <stephenmw> XAUTHORITY=
[17:48] <stephenmw> Could not detect or access the active display
[17:49] <alkisg> stephenmw: as root
[17:49] <alkisg> sudo -i first, then the rest
[17:49] <stephenmw> got it
[17:49] <stephenmw> perfect
[17:52] <stephenmw> alkisg, https://gist.github.com/stephenmw/f10c46ae0cf64b08bf93a062cd11f72f (localhost because I am using remote port forwarding in ssh)
[17:53] <alkisg> stephenmw: compare my command with your command
[17:53] <stephenmw> oh, address already in use
[17:53] <alkisg> export $(/usr/share/epoptes-client/get-display); x11vnc -connect your-ip
[17:53] <alkisg> Not plain /usr/share...
[17:54] <stephenmw> I did that
[17:54] <alkisg> export means the DISPLAY will go to the environment; not just to stdout
[17:54] <stephenmw> I am aware :-)
[17:55] <stephenmw> https://gist.github.com/stephenmw/f10c46ae0cf64b08bf93a062cd11f72f
[17:55] <alkisg> Try x11vnc -noshm -connect localhost:5500; if that fails try x11vnc -noshm -connect localhost without a port
[17:55] <stephenmw> updated gist
[17:55] <alkisg> Actually, start with a plain xrandr, can you see the resolutions?
[17:55] <stephenmw> yep, xrandr works
[17:56] <alkisg> OK, try a quick x11vnc -connect <IP_ADDRESS>; that will reach me; then Ctrl+C it; just to verify it's just a problem with your port forwarding
[17:56] <stephenmw> success! x11vnc -noshm -connect localhost:5500;
[17:56] <alkisg> OK
[17:57] <alkisg> ...did you run ssh -X?
[17:57] <stephenmw> nope
[17:57] <stephenmw> I checked for that!
[17:57] <alkisg> Weird that shm was used then; but anyway you got your vnc :)
[17:58] <stephenmw> yeah, it showed me gdm. I logged in then it crashed and now it won't start again XD
[17:58] <alkisg> Do a second export getdisplay
[17:59] <alkisg> Because XAUTHORITY and DISPLAY were changed due to the login
[17:59] <stephenmw> got it! thanks
[17:59] <stephenmw> alkisg, you rock! thank you
[17:59] <alkisg> Cheers :)
[18:09] <ravage> saved those commands too
[18:09] <ravage> im sure i will need them one day
[18:10] <stephenmw> ravage, may want to also remember ssh -R 5500:localhost:5500 user@host :-)
[18:11] <ravage> i know my way around ssh port forwarding. the client and get-display script is nice
[18:11] <alkisg> Port-forwarding 5500 in the "technician" router is much faster; you just tell people `x11vnc -connect your-ip`, no ssh / get-display etc involved
[18:12] <stephenmw> um, what about encryption?
[18:13] <alkisg> For a live cd installation? Eh :)
[18:13]  * stephenmw shrugs
[18:14] <alkisg> There's also /usr/share/epoptes-client/share-terminal your-ip, that one gives a secure shell without any port forwarding at the remote side
[18:14] <stephenmw> I mean in the future when I am providing support to my mother :-)
[18:15] <alkisg> Btw your mother has a dyndns + a port forwarding for ssh?
[18:16] <stephenmw> nope... I used chrome remote desktop to setup an ssh port forward and google search "what is my ip"
[18:16] <stephenmw> maybe her router supports dyndns...
[18:17] <alkisg> Chrome remote desktop... doesn't that mean you already had access to her desktop?
[18:17] <stephenmw> also used chrome remote desktop to run rufus to create the installer.
[18:17] <stephenmw> different desktop :-)
[18:18] <alkisg> OK. There's also duckdns if her router doesn't support dyndns; and you can do a reverse secure connection via epoptes-client; in that case, you install dyndns or duckdns in your own pc, without doing any port forwarding to her router
[18:19] <stephenmw> crap, how do I kill the installer, it has gotten stuck when it found out sda was still mounted
[18:19] <stephenmw> won't respond to buttons
[18:20] <stephenmw> meh, if she wants help, she can google "what is my ip" and tell me :-)
[18:20] <stephenmw> and ssh forwarding already works now
[18:20] <stephenmw> this is not how I want to spend my Sunday. lol
[18:20] <alkisg> ...as long as she has a GUI,sure :)
[18:21] <stephenmw> he has a laptop and a desktop
[18:21] <stephenmw> she can figure it out
[18:21] <stephenmw> and a phone
[18:25] <stephenmw> ugh, I can't kill ubiquity
[18:27] <stephenmw> solution: logout :-)
[21:38] <spacecase_> Every time my Ubuntu server restarts I cannot connect to the internet and ping gives me a temporary failure in the name resolution error
[21:38] <spacecase_> Need to solve once and for all
[21:43] <tomreyn> spacecase_: are you configuring it using netplan? with which backend (systemd-networkd or Network Manager)?
[21:43] <spacecase_> netplan
[21:44] <tomreyn> so since you know this, you should be able to provide some more information, too?
[21:44] <spacecase_> there's no nameserver listed in the netplan config
[21:44] <spacecase_> and no not really
[21:45] <spacecase_> netplan is garbage to me, don't know anything about it. ubuntu is the only thing that uses it that I've touched
[21:45] <tomreyn> i guess i can't help the. good luck.
[21:45] <spacecase_> wow thanks
[21:46] <tomreyn> i mean you can just uninstall netplan and use systemd-networkd directly
[21:47] <tomreyn> but if you have no nameservers configured and none are retrieved via dhcp then resolving won't work out
[21:47] <spacecase_> trying to add nameservers to the config now, about to test
[21:47] <spacecase_> ok that worked, sorry for being a bit of a dick
[21:48] <spacecase_> been very frustrating for me, thought I had it fixed... rebooted after 68 days of uptime, then hit with the same problem again
[21:49] <leftyfb> there's nothing wrong with netplan
[21:49] <leftyfb> spacecase_: is you interface set to static or DHCP?
[21:49] <spacecase_> static
[21:49] <leftyfb> ok, then specify a nameserver
[21:49] <leftyfb> problem solved
[21:49] <spacecase_> that's what I've done :)
[21:50] <leftyfb> pastebin your netplan
[21:50] <spacecase_> was on 16.04 for the longest time, then upgraded and things have changed under the hood
[21:50] <leftyfb> pastebin your netplan
[21:51] <spacecase_> https://pastebin.com/gBwhkTmV
[21:51] <leftyfb> spacecase_: what happens when you run:  sudo netplan apply ?
[21:52] <spacecase_> it started working after adding the nameservers and then running netplan apply
[21:52] <leftyfb> ok, then everything is fine
[21:52] <spacecase_> & now that i have nameservers in the config, it should be fine after reboot yes?
[21:52] <leftyfb> reboot and see
[21:54] <spacecase_> fingers crossed
[21:57] <spacecase_> did not work
[21:59] <spacecase_> works after running netplan apply tho
[21:59] <spacecase_> just not on its own after boot
[21:59] <leftyfb> spacecase_: ls -l /etc/netplan/
[21:59] <leftyfb> what do you have in there?
[21:59] <spacecase_> just that one config
[22:00] <leftyfb> spacecase_: ok, reboot again and do not run netplan apply so we can troubleshoot
[22:01] <spacecase_> that yaml wouldn't need execute privileges would it?
[22:01] <leftyfb> no
[22:02] <spacecase_> starting back up... takes a good minute
[22:04] <spacecase_> alright, lets troubleshoot
[22:05] <leftyfb> spacecase_: ip -c a   # pastebin if you can, screenshot if you can't
[22:07] <leftyfb> spacecase_: is this a fresh install of ubuntu or did you upgrade it? Have you messed with any resolver like systemd-resolved or resolvconf or bind?
[22:07] <spacecase_> its upgraded
[22:08] <spacecase_> resolvcon.service is enabled as is systemd-resolved
[22:08] <leftyfb> spacecase_: sudo apt remove --purge ifupdown
[22:09] <spacecase_> https://linksharing.samsungcloud.com/aUvq56wmyq1d
[22:09] <leftyfb> spacecase_: sudo apt remove --purge ifupdown resolvconf
[22:09] <leftyfb> why are there 2 ip's for eno1?
[22:10] <spacecase_> ifupdown not installed but resolvconf is
[22:10] <leftyfb> remove/purge it
[22:10] <leftyfb> why are there 2 ip's for eno1?
[22:10] <spacecase_> no idea, probably related to the issue
[22:10] <spacecase_> I am running adguard but I don't think that would do that
[22:10] <leftyfb> are you sure you only have 1 file in /etc/netplan/ ?
[22:10] <spacecase_> positive
[22:11] <leftyfb> adguard could be the cause of the DNS issues
[22:11] <spacecase_> reboot?
[22:12] <leftyfb> sure, though I am not confident the issue is resolved
[22:12] <spacecase_> if you've got more ideas we can run through those, it just recommended reboot after uninstalling
[22:14] <leftyfb> I don't. And actually I have to step away
[22:14] <spacecase_> ok, thanks for your help
[22:16] <spacecase_> ok, thanks for your help
[22:20] <spacecase_> about to just write a systemd service to run netplan apply on boot
[22:24] <GrandPa-G> I am trying to reduce the size of my sd (raspberry) card. gparted doesn't allow me to shrink the partition (unless I am doing it wrong), yet there is a lot of free space. Is it possible?
[22:25] <matsaman> GrandPa-G: reduce? Why?
[22:25] <spacecase_> you're not booted from that partition when you try to do it are you?
[22:25] <GrandPa-G> matsaman, I want to be able to save the image to a file and send to someone.
[22:26] <spacecase_> you want to make a sparse image then
[22:26] <GrandPa-G> spacecase_, I am, I assume I need to mount it somewhere else and then try, correct?
[22:26] <Jeremy31> GrandPa-G: Gparted won't allow you to change the size of a mounted partition, you can do it from a Live ISO on USB
[22:27] <spacecase_> ha just "fixed" my issue
[22:27] <spacecase_> we'll file that under the category of "it's not dumb if it works"
[22:28] <matsaman> GrandPa-G: if you take an ordinary image and then compress it with an ordinary file archive compressor, that will make it smaller
[22:28] <matsaman> especially if the free space is all zeros
[22:28] <GrandPa-G> matsaman, yes, but for a 14gb sd card, it is still about 2.5gb
[22:28] <matsaman> but me? I would archive the filesystem while unmounted, and backup the partition table and boot sector stuff and send all that
[22:29] <matsaman> GrandPa-G: okay but you probably won't get it much lower than 2.5GB without extreme complexity and effort
[22:29] <spacecase_> https://www.baeldung.com/linux/clone-space-in-use-from-disk
[22:29] <matsaman> if you wanted to target a future sdcard that will be smaller than 14gb, that's another matter
[22:29] <spacecase_> sparse method is what I'd recommend
[22:29] <GrandPa-G> matsaman, that is why I want to resize it down to about 4-6gb.
[22:30] <spacecase_> compressed file method is what GrandPa-G is recommending.  either is fine
[22:30] <matsaman> GrandPa-G: well, what Jeremy31 said is the simplest way, from unmounted, resize it
[22:30] <GrandPa-G> matsaman, thanks to all, I will give it a try.
[22:31] <matsaman> GrandPa-G: resizing isn't 100.00% safe, so backup important stuff
[22:31] <matsaman> it's more like 90% safe
[22:32] <GrandPa-G> matsaman, I was just not careful when I created it. I usually start with a few gb, get running, then expand as desired. I just forgot this time.
[22:32] <spacecase_> you could also rsync to a smaller partition
[22:34] <matsaman> GrandPa-G: it's super straightforward to shrink down from a live system, don't sweat it
[22:43] <qxt> Just downloaded Ubuntu server LTS. Wondering where the gpg signing keys for verification are? Also there is normally a signed file with hashes. Can't find any of that.
[22:44] <qxt> My Q. How is Ubuntu verified. Are these reproducible builds or something?
[22:44] <ravage> qxt: verification of what?
[22:44] <ravage> there are checksums of the iso file
[22:45] <ravage> https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/how-to-verify-ubuntu#1-overview
[22:45] <qxt> yes I see the sha256 hash but I don't see that they are signed
[22:46] <qxt> normally you doing something like gpg --verify ubuntu_hashes.sig for something along that line
[22:47] <qxt> I normally check the WoT of signatures on the key also.
[22:48] <jhutchins> qxt: What distribution do you normally use?
[22:48] <qxt> After 15 years on Debian I thought I would give Ubuntu a spin.
[22:48] <qxt> Need to toss up a kvm server
[22:49] <jhutchins> qxt: I don't think Debian signs the isos either.
[22:49] <jhutchins> Checksum verifies that it matches the original build.  Signing would be redundant.
[22:50] <qxt> We did sign them. I know I was a DD for a few years =) By the way I recognize your handle from years back.
[22:50] <ravage> it really all is in the link above. including gpg
[22:50] <jhutchins> Been the same nick for a while now.
[22:51] <qxt> I saw it years ago. I left Ubuntu desktop when there was a beef with Gnome changing to something I did not like. Was a long time ago
[22:51] <qxt> btw I like it now =)
[22:52] <Jeremy31> qxt: Unity?
[22:53] <ravage> is there anything else we can help you with? this is going OT for this channel slowly. there is #ubuntu-discuss if you just want to chat about Ubuntu
[22:53] <qxt> Was before then. Gnome radically changed format
[22:54] <qxt> Yes. I just want to know if there is a way to verify the hashes with a gpg key in ubuntu.
[22:54] <ravage> see link above
[22:54] <qxt> that is just a hash sum on a site?
[22:54] <ravage> no
[22:55] <qxt> oh, Ill look again. sry
[23:07] <qxt> Thanks. This is what I was looking for. pg --keyid-format long --keyserver hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 0x46181433FBB75451 0xD94AA3F0EFE21092
[23:09] <tomreyn> hoefully this DSA-1 key is no longer in use
[23:11] <qxt> jhutchins IIRC, I probably don't, you were an admin on freenode? Like 10 years ago... maybe more?
[23:12] <jhutchins> I don't think I've been an IRC admin.  I ran a FIDONet node and moderated some of the national echos.
[23:14] <qxt> Yeah something like that. Was a long long time ago. Anyway I gotta get back to work. Thanks. Sorry if I sounded a bit impatient.
[23:14] <jhutchins> qxt: Glad you found what you need.


[11:28] <bluesceada> luis220413, thanks ... I thought that these "hwe" kernels were meant to be somewhat up-to-date ...
[11:29] <bluesceada> I think this fix is really necessary for a couple of AMD graphics users, so maybe I should open a ubuntu bug separately that this fix should be backported to the ubuntu kernel?
[11:30] <bluesceada> or try to get mainline kernel maintainers to get it in the next 5.15 maintenance release
[12:05] <luis220413> bluesceada: You should open both a bug in the Ubuntu kernel you are using (with the command ubuntu-bug linux) and a bug in the upstream kernel and link the Ubuntu bug to the upstream bug.
[12:05] <luis220413> To file bugs in the upstream kernel: https://bugzilla.kernel.org
[12:05] <bluesceada> I think the bug is fixed, following that freedesktop bug
[12:05] <bluesceada> Need to just find the upstream kernel bug, I guess
[12:06] <luis220413> Please run the command uname -srvmpio and paste the output here
[12:06] <luis220413> There is no need for paste services, the output is just 1 line long
[12:07] <bluesceada> Linux 5.15.0-47-generic #51-Ubuntu SMP Thu Aug 11 07:51:15 UTC 2022 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[12:08] <bluesceada> According to the freedesktop bug, just running a 5.17 kernel might fix it ... maybe I should just do that for testing purpose.
[12:09] <bluesceada> imho, the AMD maintainer's job would be to make sure the respective patches get into the 5.15 vanilla kernel
[12:11] <luis220413> bluesceada: Is the bug harming your system right now?
[12:12] <bluesceada> Yes, it's not stable
[12:14] <bluesceada> However not even sure if it is exactly that bug, there was another one, but it seems they all get fixed in recent kernels, and ubuntu just has that old kernel
[12:15] <luis220413> I am looking at the kernels in Ubuntu 22.04 and Kinetic (the current development release, also mentioned as 22.10).
[12:15] <luis220413> Kinetic has some 5.19 kernels, but they be in -proposed and Kinetic is unstable.
[12:15] <luis220413> And 5.18 and 5.17 kernels as well
[12:16] <bluesceada> that might be another issue somewhat related, and also fixed by a more recent kernel: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues/1819
[12:17] <bluesceada> i also have a 6600 XT and the bug is always triggered when I set the screen to go to suspend after a while
[12:17] <bluesceada> currently I set it to "Never"
[12:17] <bluesceada> Just to clarify: the screen is sufficient, not the whole system going to suspend
[12:17] <luis220413> bluesceada: I also had to do that in my Ubuntu 21.10 (now EOL) and 22.04 VMs, because they failed to resume!
[12:18] <bluesceada> I set "Screen Blank: Never"
[12:18] <luis220413> I set "Automatically lock: Never"
[12:18] <bluesceada> Funnily, the bug can sometimes even be triggered when shutting down the system, or when not immediately logging in after it booted
[12:19] <bluesceada> so the system might be stuck on shutdown, once that kept the machine running for the night x.x
[12:19] <luis220413> bluesceada: You can try the 5.17 OEM kernel.
[12:19] <luis220413> sudo apt install linux-oem-5.17
[12:19] <bluesceada> ok
[12:19] <bluesceada> it only has 5.17-something
[12:20] <bluesceada> headers or tools
[12:20] <bluesceada> do i need some extra repo? or go with  linux-image-5.17.0-1015-oem ?
[12:20] <luis220413> Sorry, wrong command.
[12:21] <luis220413> Do you believe that a 5.17 kernel fixes your issue?
[12:21] <luis220413> sudo apt install linux-image-oem-22.04
 Do you believe that a 5.17 kernel fixes your issue? ---> yes it might
[12:22] <bluesceada> however one of those bugs mention a 5.18 kernel, let's try it
[12:23] <luis220413> This command will install an Ubuntu kernel based on Linux v5.17.15.
[12:23] <luis220413> bluesceada: Only if you upgrade to the development release or find a backport from a PPA.
[12:23] <bluesceada> ok i need also the headers for virtualbox dkms, but thanks, let's see
[12:23] <luis220413> You can also monitor the 22.04 repositories with these two commands:
[12:24] <luis220413> apt list linux\*5.18\*
[12:24] <bluesceada> This OEM sounds strange, that's why I didn't test it yet
[12:24] <luis220413> apt list linux\*5.19\*
[12:24] <bluesceada> thanks
[12:28] <luis220413_> There is a caveat of using the OEM kernel: "However, if it is run on hardware that is not certified by Canonical, we cannot guarantee it works without issues."
[12:28] <luis220413_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/OEMKernel#Should_I_run_it_on_my_machine.3F
[12:29] <luis220413_> These two commands monitor the repositories for 5.18 and 5.19 kernels.
[12:30] <luis220413> Ubuntu 22.04.2 (that should be released in February 2023) will ship with the 5.19 kernel: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/08/ubuntu-22-04-point-release-available
[12:30] <bluesceada> yes I understand, but it's still maintained for security patches I hope
[12:30] <luis220413> bluesceada: It is supported according to the "Security fixes" section in the first link I posted now
[12:30] <bluesceada> is there any list of those supported OEM hardware? if those are purely Intel systems for example, I need to be more careful I guess
[12:31] <bluesceada> luis220413, thanks. OK, let's just see, I just rebooted this kernel
[12:31] <bluesceada> and set to blank after 10min again
[12:31] <luis220413> https://ubuntu.com/certified
[12:32] <luis220413> This is a list of hardware certified by Canonical.
[12:32] <bluesceada> at least some AMD notebooks, ok
[12:32] <bluesceada> thanks
[12:32] <luis220413> Check that they were certified for your Ubuntu version.
[12:33] <luis220413> bluesceada: Is your specific desktop/laptop certified?
[12:34] <luis220413> If you encounter any issues with this kernel, I recommend that you file a bug with the command ubuntu-bug linux
[12:45] <bluesceada> ok
 bluesceada: Is your specific desktop/laptop certified? ---> I don't think so. It is a custom built desktop
[12:46] <luis220413> bluesceada: Then you may encounter issues, as with any kernel on any system.
[12:46] <bluesceada> Of course
[12:46] <luis220413> Have you filed a bug for the 5.15 kernel in Ubuntu?
[12:46] <bluesceada> No
[12:47] <bluesceada> To be it looks like it is handled upstream and it's the AMD maintainers job to get it into the 5.15 vanilla LTS kernel (kernel.org kernel)
[12:47] <luis220413> I recommend that you file a bug by rebooting into the 5.15 kernel (through "Advanced options for Ubuntu") and using ubuntu-bug linux
[12:47] <bluesceada> but maybe he doesn't care enough
[12:48] <luis220413> This is a severe issue and I strongly recommend that you file a bug both in Ubuntu and upstream, *if those bugs do not exist*.
[12:48] <bluesceada> they do exist
[12:48] <luis220413> Could you provide links here?
[12:48] <bluesceada> several critical amdgpu bugs exist, I am pretty annoyed by AMD's graphics division recently
[12:49] <bluesceada> I did, they are freedesktop bugs, so not sure if there are respective kernel bugs ....Wait, here in summary:
[12:49] <bluesceada> [1] https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues/1819 [2] https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues/1871 [3] https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues/1887
[12:50] <luis220413> Bugs in freedesktop.org GitLab are not bugs in the kernel. You should find them in the Kernel Bugzilla (https://bugzilla.kernel.org) and in the bug pages for the 5.15 kernels:
[12:51] <bluesceada> I understand, but I might not care enough if the solution is simply to go with a more recent kernel
[12:51] <luis220413> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux
[12:51] <luis220413> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe-5.15
[12:53] <bluesceada> ubuntu should just go as they did in the past and use more recent kernels for HWE - imho
[12:54] <bluesceada> after all, it is relatively recent hardware, so that's the main "issue"
[12:54] <bluesceada> But maybe manpower to maintain that is missing in Ubuntu, I understand
[12:58] <bluesceada> let me see a while how the oem kernel peforms and then I can report a bug on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe-5.15
[13:05] <luis220413> That link is for reporting bugs in the 5.15 kernel in Ubuntu *20.04* LTS.
[13:05] <luis220413> You should report the bug on the previous link.
[13:09] <luis220413> bluesceada: The 5.19 kernel should be available in the Ubuntu 22.04 repositories in October, by looking at the publishing history of the first HWE kernel for 20.04: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe-5.8/+publishinghistory
[13:11] <luis220413> Manpower is not missing in Ubuntu to maintain the kernels. Ubuntu has a kernel release schedule: https://ubuntu.com/kernel/lifecycle
[13:12] <bluesceada> OK I guess I was just lucky before
[13:14] <bluesceada> luis220413, did 20.04 also start with a 5.8 kernel while the hwe kernel was also 5.8 ?
[13:15] <luis220413> A release never starts with an HWE kernel.
[13:15] <luis220413> The initial kernel for 20.04 was 5.4, according to that page.
[13:18] <bluesceada> OK, anyway, thanks for all the information, I will just see what's going on with the OEM kernel, report a bug to get the information out, worst-case get a more recent kernel from somewhere else until october
[13:22] <luis220413> You can upgrade to the development release with do-release-upgrade -d. However, it is unstable and new features may be decided until Thursday.
[13:23] <luis220413> Once in the development release, you need to manually install the 5.18 or 5.19 (recommended) kernel.
[13:36] <luis220413> The schedule has a few errors. I reported them in https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu.com/issues/11964
[13:55] <bluesceada> Sorry no interest in an entire development release
[13:55] <bluesceada> I might use the dev repo to get the kernel out of that however
[15:13] <bluesceada> OK, screen blank/suspend seems to work with the 5.17 oem kernel
[20:31] <bluesceada> luis220413, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe-5.15/+bug/1987413
[20:31] <bluesceada> just FYI
[20:32] <luis220413> bluesceada: You filed the bug against the wrong kernel (the 5.15 kernel in Ubuntu *20.04* LTS).
[20:32] <bluesceada> i thought I filed it for "linux" only, somehow it went into linux-hwe-5.15
[20:32] <luis220413> Paste here the output of lsb_release -a
[20:32] <bluesceada> it is also true for that one anyway
[20:33] <luis220413> bluesceada: I will do a debdiff between linux-hwe-5.15 and linux.
[20:33] <bluesceada> i have the bug since 5.15 hwe in 20.04 anyway, and it just still persists
[20:34] <luis220413> Thanks for the information!
[20:35] <luis220413> I added a bugtask for linux (Ubuntu) because this affects the linux source package in Ubuntu 22.04 (that is, the 5.15 kernel).
[20:43] <bluesceada> thanks
[20:46] <luis220413> I corrected two major errors in the description.
[20:47] <luis220413> I have subscribed to the bug report as well.
[20:55] <bluesceada> major errors? which were?
[20:55] <bluesceada> ah the HWE kernel, ok hx
[20:55] <bluesceada> thx
[20:57] <bluesceada> but you know there is a package "linux-generic-hwe-22.04"
[20:57] <luis220413> That package is a metapackage that installs the GA kernel when an HWE kernel is not available, and the HWE kernel when it is available.
[20:57] <bluesceada> so not sure why you say there is no HWE ... okay it might be identical with 20.04 - but the package named after 22.04 exists
[20:57] <luis220413> s/available/released/
[20:58] <luis220413> bluesceada: See https://ubuntu.com/kernel/lifecycle
[20:59] <bluesceada> I get it :D ... but from looking at the packages only, one gets the impression there is a hwe kernel
[21:05] <bluesceada> i added a kern.log of one of the crashes that I managed to get out of using sysrq
[21:13] <luis220413> You should reboot into the buggy kernel in recovery mode and run apport-collect 1987413
[21:13] <luis220413> Through the option "Advanced options for Ubuntu" in the boot menu
[21:31] <bluesceada> yes when I have time for that...
[21:36] <luis220413> You have 60 days until the bug is automatically expired (closed), but you should this as soon as possible because this is a critical issue.
[21:36] <luis220413> *should do this


[07:32] <dholbach> good morning
[09:11] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:29] <popey> yo
[13:28] <balloons> Morning :)
[14:30] <mhall119> balloons: hey, what's a good website to point would-be testers at during my UbuCon presentation tomorrow?
[14:30] <balloons> either d.u.c/start/quality or QATeam wiki
[14:33] <dholbach> davidcalle, do you know how hard it is to push the upgrade branch to staging?
[14:35] <davidcalle> dholbach, very easy, can you merge to trunk, then production? Then ping me, and I'll run the thing :)
[14:36] <dholbach> davidcalle, sure...
[14:37] <dholbach> davidcalle, I just felt bad because https://code.launchpad.net/~developer-ubuntu-com-dev/developer-ubuntu-com/1470715/+merge/268471 just had my own approval ;-)
[14:38] <davidcalle> dholbach, hmm, sorry, this wasn't meant like "do everyhting and I'll push a button afterwards"
[14:39] <dholbach> no no
[14:39] <dholbach> that's not how I understood it :)
[14:39] <dholbach> you know how we Germans are... if we don't have the right rubberstamp, we don't do it
[14:40] <dholbach> and this MP just having my own vote of approval felt a bit like faking code review - anyway... in the interest of moving on... :)
[14:40] <davidcalle> dholbach, so, regarding the upgrade process, if we update the site to this branch, what happens until update-1470715 is ran? The site keeps working fine?
[14:41] <davidcalle> The only thing I haven't tested in this branch is running it with the make command, so I'm farily confident in having this on staging :)
[14:41] <dholbach> I think I'd take the site down for this brief time of upgrading - if all goes well it's 5 seconds of "bzr merge + make update-1470715"
[14:41] <dholbach> if not... it takes longer :)
[14:42] <dholbach> davidcalle, ok, I updated both branches
[14:42] <davidcalle> dholbach, the thing is, what's published, is not a branch, so it can't be merged
[14:42] <dholbach> ok, then replaced or whatever the mechanism of updating is
[14:42] <davidcalle> dholbach, nevermind, that's silly, upgrading the instance is the same as merging
[14:43] <dholbach> davidcalle, I guess the dependencies branch also needs updating
[14:44] <davidcalle> dholbach, oh, indeed. I've just started the update on staging. /me watches for deps failure
[14:44] <dholbach> can you run pip on there?
[14:45] <davidcalle> dholbach, with a lot of pain, it would be better to update the deps branch
[14:45] <dholbach> ok - it'll just take ages to push it from here
[14:45] <dholbach> is it 'make update-pip-cache'?
[14:46] <davidcalle> dholbach, yep, I can do it, my connection is happy today
[14:46]  * dholbach aborts
[14:47]  * davidcalle fetches coffee during upload
[14:47] <dholbach> <3
[15:43] <davidcalle> dholbach, first deployment crashed when running migrations (no useful traceback). Trying again.
[15:48] <dholbach> was there any output at all?
[15:51] <davidcalle> dholbach, "django.db.utils.ProgrammingError: relation "django_content_type" already exists"
[15:52] <davidcalle> dholbach, during the make update-common step. But let me try a completely fresh one in a moment.
[15:54]  * davidcalle back in a moment
[16:49] <balloons> dpm, you can tag me on the governance and leadership talk if you wish. It's something I find interesting
[16:49] <dpm> awesome
[17:12] <dholbach> have a great rest of your day - see you all tomorrow!
[18:26] <balloons> http://community.ubuntu.com/google-code-in/ is now live. Not sure if it should be or needs to be linked from anywhere
[18:26] <balloons> feel free to edit away
[19:00] <dpm> balloons, good work in setting up the landing page. Just some quick feedback: it seems like page is missing some margins and it's breaking the header
[19:00] <dpm> it might be worth putting in under a 2nd-level navigation item?
[19:43] <balloons> dpm, interesting. I'll look into why it might be breaking things, I have an idea
[19:44] <balloons> dpm, on the navigation bit, I'm open to putting it wherever. I'm not sure if it will be long-lived or not, so I didn't want to force it too many places
[19:49] <samsruti> Hi balloons
[19:50] <samsruti> I got some interesting thing
[19:50] <samsruti> http://goo.gl/forms/gBwYzX3ZPO
[19:50] <samsruti> check this link
[19:51] <samsruti> ^popey , ^jose
[20:11] <balloons> samsruti, hello
[20:11] <davidcalle> balloons, hey Nick, do you mind if I do a small layout tweak on the code-in page on c.u.c?
[20:11] <balloons> samsruti, did you create that?
[20:11] <balloons> davidcalle, no, please, go for it
[20:12] <balloons> I need to impelement David's idea for adding it to the menu as well. Feel free to tackle as much of making it look nice and work as you'd like like :-)
[20:13] <davidcalle> balloons, updated the page, add what to the menu?
[20:14] <balloons> davidcalle, dpm mentioned adding it to a second level menu
[20:14] <balloons> suggestions welcome
[20:15] <balloons> I see it's got a new linky ow
[20:17] <davidcalle> balloons, I haven't touched the content, just the padding around it :) Maybe it could go under contribute, but in this case, there probably should be a row about it on the home page.
[20:18] <balloons> davidcalle, unless my eyes decieve me it's part of the main header bar now
[20:19] <davidcalle> balloons, and you weren't seeing it this way before?
[20:20] <davidcalle> balloons, because it was like that for me before I touched anything, I'm not guilty :p
[20:21] <balloons> davidcalle, I hadn't looked at the main site. I'm guessing dpm went ahead and made the tweak, lol
[20:21] <davidcalle> balloons, ah right :)
[20:21] <balloons> thamnks for fixing things!
[20:23] <davidcalle> balloons, my pleasure :) Enoy the rest of your day, I'm going back to my family evening. By the way, how is Lorelai?
[20:23] <samsruti> yeah i create that
[20:24] <balloons> davidcalle, she's over 4.5 kilos today :-)
[20:25] <balloons> davidcalle, enjoy your evening
[20:25] <davidcalle> balloons, nice :-)
[20:25] <davidcalle> Thanks!
[20:25] <balloons> samsruti, it's an interesting idea to have a form, but I'm not sure we need it
[20:29] <balloons> I'd be curious to pass that past the other admins, but they aren't around at the moment
[20:30] <samsruti_> hmm
[20:30] <balloons> I like how you matched the GCI theme though, it looks nice :-)
[20:30] <samsruti_> hehe thanks :)


[01:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gcc-11 [arm64] (hirsute-proposed/main) [11-20210310-1ubuntu1] (core, i386-whitelist)
[03:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: isc-dhcp (focal-proposed/main) [4.4.1-2.1ubuntu5 => 4.4.1-2.1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (core)
[03:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: isc-dhcp (bionic-proposed/main) [4.3.5-3ubuntu7.1 => 4.3.5-3ubuntu7.2] (core)
[06:26] <cpaelzer> doko: I've submited the dh-systemd B-D removal, but it already is an debhelper | dh-systemd so it isn't as bad as it might seem from the NBS report
[07:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gcc-11 [arm64] (hirsute-proposed) [11-20210310-1ubuntu1]
[08:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected kdump-tools [source] (hirsute-proposed) [1:<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1]
[08:28] <doko> dannf, apw_, sforshee: kdump-tools's source wants to promote to main, it's just a split-out, but needs a bug subscriber ...
[08:58] <apw_> doko, added
[08:59] <doko> and promoted
[10:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ceilometer (focal-proposed/main) [1:14.0.0-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 1:14.0.0-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (openstack, ubuntu-server)
[10:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ceilometer (groovy-proposed/main) [1:15.0.0-0ubuntu1 => 1:15.0.0-0ubuntu2] (openstack)
[10:24] <Laney> I'm making big/long/never run handling live in its own git repo
[10:24] <Laney> should be auto deployed from the branch, means any release team member can change those
[10:25] <apw_> akin to a hints branch, sounds wonderful
[10:25] <Laney> yeah like that
[10:25] <Laney> really the last thing I wanted to do before pushing the 'new' autopkgtest
[10:26] <Laney> so hopefully I'll be on track with doing that today (albeit unused)
[10:35] <Laney> https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-release/autopkgtest-cloud/+git/autopkgtest-package-configs?h=main
[10:35]  * Laney makes the wip branch use that
[11:24] <tjaalton> I've filed a couple of FFE's, for mesa and xwayland, would appreciate if someone had a look
[12:39] <sil2100> coreycb: hey! Could you provide a test case for LP: #1896734 ?
[12:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted neutron [source] (groovy-proposed) [2:17.1.0-0ubuntu3]
[13:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted neutron [source] (focal-proposed) [2:16.3.0-0ubuntu3]
[13:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted isc-dhcp [source] (groovy-proposed) [4.4.1-2.1ubuntu10]
[13:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted isc-dhcp [source] (focal-proposed) [4.4.1-2.1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[13:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted isc-dhcp [source] (bionic-proposed) [4.3.5-3ubuntu7.2]
[13:29] <coreycb> dosaboy_: can you fill in the SRU template details for those neutron bugs?
[13:30] <coreycb> sil2100: thanks for taking a look. checking on that. ^
[14:54] <juliank> Laney: Is it safe for me to do a manual run in the cloud to validate if https://code.launchpad.net/~rbalint/autopkgtest-cloud/+git/autopkgtest-cloud/+merge/399088 passes with long_tests?
[14:55] <juliank> Not sure if you're playing with anything that would be disruptive to that effort :D
[14:55] <Laney> If you want
[14:55] <Laney> No
[14:55] <Laney> I would have thought Canonistack would be OK enough for that though, i.e. it would not require an admin
[14:55] <Laney> (Unless it's to do with proxies)
[14:55] <juliank> well I'd have thought that too, but oh well
[14:57] <Laney> It's up to you, but I would prefer people to self serve if they have the facilities available to them
[14:57] <Laney> so yeah, go for it
[14:58]  * Laney clones wip/mojo-juju-2 into the new env
[14:58] <Laney> time to try it
[15:04] <juliank> woooohooo
[15:24] <Laney> forgot I have to set all the secrets up
[15:24] <Laney> boring
[15:57] <juliank> Laney: Am I missing something I need to change to run the test manually in https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cSQWRWFbWJ/? Every test I run failed with ssh timeouts :(
[15:58] <Laney> that locale thing messes it up I think
[15:58] <Laney> look for unset/export in the history
[16:01] <juliank> Laney: trying that, thanks
[16:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: west-chamber (groovy-proposed/universe) [20100405+svn20111107.r124-12ubuntu0.2 => 20100405+svn20111107.r124-12ubuntu0.3] (kernel-dkms)
[16:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: west-chamber (focal-proposed/universe) [20100405+svn20111107.r124-12ubuntu0.2~20.04.1 => 20100405+svn20111107.r124-12ubuntu0.3~20.04.1] (kernel-dkms)
[17:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-oem-5.10 [amd64] (focal-proposed/main) [5.10.0-1017.18] (no packageset)
[17:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-oem-5.10 [amd64] (focal-proposed) [5.10.0-1017.18]
[20:18] <LocutusOfBorg> Logan, should we sync 0ad from experimental?
[20:26] <Logan> LocutusOfBorg please see LP: #1918179
[20:27] <Logan> I made the mistake of syncing 0ad-data before making sure 0ad was also safe to sync (which it doesn't appear to be) :/
[20:29] <LocutusOfBorg> ack thanks
[20:29] <LocutusOfBorg> https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/locutusofborg-ppa/+build/21147378
[20:29] <LocutusOfBorg> I syncd on my ppa, lets see how the build goes
[20:31] <LocutusOfBorg> oh new cargo... damn
[21:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gcc-11-cross [amd64] (hirsute-proposed/main) [3ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-desktop)


[20:05] <ahoneybun> wxl: is there a place to donate money (since I made some from a computer I loaded Lubuntu on)
[20:07] <wxl> ahoneybun: only in general, but i can tell you i make use of the funds for lubuntu :)
[20:07] <ahoneybun> wxl: I just applied for travel funds for Akademy
[20:08] <ahoneybun> :)
[20:08] <wxl> ahoneybun: so you know about http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/06/20/ubuntu-donations-and-community-funding/
[20:08] <ahoneybun> yea I did that
[20:08] <wxl> ok
[20:08] <wxl> it's hard to find the place to donate!
[20:08] <wxl> but it isn't if you get your isos from the main download page XD
[20:08] <ahoneybun> yea I know
[20:09] <ahoneybun> I used the funds for some swag to get out to people at places I go to
[20:09] <ahoneybun> *give
[20:09] <wxl> i used it for food at our global jam
[20:10] <wxl> a nexus 4 so i can help with touch dev/testing
[20:10] <wxl> and lubuntu-qa t-shirts (going to make a contest to encourage more contributions)
[20:10] <wxl> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/contribute
[20:10] <ahoneybun> I have a nexus4 just with a dead battery
[20:10] <wxl> aw
[20:10] <wxl> canonical wwas nice enough to flash it for me too!
[20:11] <ahoneybun> wxl: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-beginner
[20:11] <wxl> oh
[20:11] <wxl> what 'tis?
[20:12] <ahoneybun> an app I made for touch
[20:12] <wxl> OIC :)
[20:12] <wxl> whoa this is easier than i thought
[20:12] <wxl> i've been brushing up on my c++ but i guess it's unnecessary
[20:14] <ahoneybun> wxl: if you want some real power C++ is always nice
[20:14] <ahoneybun> but QML is pretty darn cool
[20:14] <wxl> right but it's not necessary for the basics
[20:15] <ahoneybun> yea I don't think so
[20:15] <ahoneybun> all deps what you want the app to do
[21:59] <jose> ahoneybun: try downloading the iso but do not download, that'll take you to the page


[07:20] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:21] <Nafallo> morn' o/
[07:22] <Nafallo> I need coffee
[07:23] <oSoMoN> hey Nafallo
[07:23] <oSoMoN> tough morning?
[07:24] <Nafallo> every morning is ;-)
[07:24] <Nafallo> at least before the first four or five espressos :-P
[07:28] <oSoMoN> :)
[07:29] <Nafallo> meh. "hey google, what week is it" "according to wikipedia, a week is a time unit equal to seven days"
[07:30] <Nafallo> bah
[07:31] <Nafallo> hmm. can I get week numbers on the desktop? :-)
[07:31] <duflu> Nafallo, gnome-tweak-tool > Top Bar
[07:31] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN, Nafallo
[07:32] <oSoMoN> good afternoon duflu
[07:32]  * oSoMoN → school
[07:33] <duflu> As it happens, it is also end-of-school time right now
[07:33] <duflu> :)
[07:33] <Nafallo> duflu: cheers, or in ansible: dconf: key="/org/gnome/desktop/calendar/show-weekdate" value=true state=present
[07:33] <Nafallo> ;-)
[07:34] <duflu> Nafallo, Yes, just not in "Linux for human beings" :)
[07:35] <Nafallo> except it didn't work :-P
[07:35] <Nafallo> haha
[07:35] <duflu> Well, the GUI works
[07:36] <Nafallo> hmm, it was "['true']" as well ;-)
[07:36] <Nafallo> this early in the morning, and Australians call me non-human ;-)
[07:37] <duflu> To be fair, you might be a bot
[07:37] <duflu> And so might I
[07:37] <Nafallo> hmm, true. you started after I left :-P
[07:38] <duflu> Nafallo, 2011/2012?
[07:38] <Nafallo> I think I left 2012...
[07:38] <duflu> Well then, let us marvel at our collective bot AI
[07:39] <Nafallo> oh, hi google ;-)
[07:42] <Nafallo> hmm. logout/login needed it seems.
[09:01] <Laney> ahoy
[09:02] <duflu> Ahoy Laney
[09:02] <duflu> And hello seb128
[09:03] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[09:03] <seb128> hey duflu
[09:03] <seb128> how is everyone today?
[09:03] <duflu> Hi seb128, good. Hangout?
[09:03] <seb128> yeah, on my way
[09:08] <oSoMoN> good morning Laney, seb128
[09:08] <seb128> lut oSoMoN
[09:11] <Laney> hey seb128 duflu oSoMoN
[09:11] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[09:14] <Laney> seb128: good!
[09:14] <Laney> my shoulder aches, just tried to do the maximum number of reps on my physio stuff
[09:14] <Laney> feels goooooooooooooooooooood
[09:14] <Laney> you?
[09:15] <seb128> I'm good, could have slept a bit longer though :)
[09:15] <Laney> watching the olympics right?
[09:15] <Laney> ;-)
[09:16]  * Laney has been following the curling
[09:16] <seb128> I didn't watch much, I should
[09:16] <seb128> at least hockey and curling
[09:20] <seb128> looking at the sponsoring queue, Laney could you have a look to bug #1744941 / help Trevinho to land that fix?
[09:20] <ubot5`> bug 1744941 in appstream-glib (Ubuntu) "gnome-software crashes in as_app_parse_desktop_file" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1744941
[09:29] <willcooke> morning all
[09:29] <duflu> Morning willcooke
[09:30] <willcooke> Good show with Linux Unplugged last night, hopefully that will help dispel some of the FUD and BS
[09:32] <duflu> Oh Will is famous. Again
[09:34] <seb128> hey willcooke
[09:34] <seb128> nice
[09:42] <jibel> willcooke, re your question about images not being promoted, this is caused by bug 1750403
[09:42] <ubot5`> bug 1750403 in casper (Ubuntu) "Live Session - Increased memory usage with preinstalled snap (fails to start with - gnome-session timeout)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1750403
[09:44] <willcooke> thanks jibel
[09:52] <jibel> Laney, i've the timeout again in a VM with 2GB of RAM, so it must be something else
[09:53] <jibel> the session fails to start, I'm dropped to the login screen, then I can login successfully
[09:53] <Nafallo> morning Laney seb128 willcooke :-)
[09:53] <Laney> jibel: interesting
[09:53] <willcooke> morning Nafallo
[09:54] <Laney> well maybe you can post the journal and systemd-analyze thing, might be something to spot in there
[09:54] <Laney> maybe your IO from the ISO is slower than mine or something
[09:54] <Laney> hey Nafallo
[09:55] <Nafallo> right. I suppose I should leave here and get ready to go work at the bank...
[09:56]  * Laney pictures Patrick Bateman
[09:58] <Laney> seb128: I replied on there
[09:58] <Laney> we should do patch piloting again
[09:59] <seb128> Laney, thx
[09:59] <seb128> hey Nafallo
[10:02] <duflu> \o/ All upstream developers satisfied at 6pm
[10:03]  * duflu goes to celebrate with dinner
[10:03] <seb128> duflu, well done, enjoy your evening!
[10:16] <willcooke> jamesh, hi!  Do you know what the current status of portals support in snapd is?  Is it imminent?
[10:16] <willcooke> bah, probably too late for today
[10:21] <willcooke> where it = will it get merged soon?
[10:22] <jamesh> willcooke: still haven't gotten the user-mounts feature required for document portal support landed.  There was a request for some extra security checks from jdstrand that we couldn't get working reliably.  zyga was going to do a partial merge of the non-controversial parts first though.
[10:23] <jamesh> willcooke: I've got a branch that adds everything but the document portal access to the desktop interface, but we can't easily turn on access to just some portals
[10:32] <willcooke> jamesh, got it, thanks
[10:35] <willcooke> jamesh, re: security checks - is that a blocker?
[10:36] <jamesh> willcooke: yes.  I asked jdstrand that when I first ran into trouble
[10:37] <willcooke> jamesh, oki, once kenvandine and jdstrand are online I'll chat with them (cc mvo)
[10:37] <jamesh> willcooke: essentially he wanted us to parse /proc/self/mountinfo to ensure that the result of the mount matched what was expected.
[10:38] <jamesh> willcooke: I could decode the data back to the original mount source in some cases, but in others I couldn't.
[10:39] <jamesh> the main problem was that for the mounts we want to perform, both the source and destination are controlled by the user
[10:39] <jamesh> so symlinks or race conditions could be used to redirect the mount elsewhere
[10:41] <willcooke> jamesh, are we at an impasse then?
[10:43] <jamesh> maybe.  Zygmunt was having another look at this, but I'm not sure if he got any further than I did.
[10:51] <seb128> jamesh, that sounds like things are stucked until/unless zyga or you find a way to resolve that problem?
[10:55] <jamesh> willcooke: thinking about it a bit more, I'll check with jdstrand to see whether verifying the mount point is enough.  It wouldn't protect against random other directories being mounted under $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR, but it would prevent replacing /etc, for instance
[11:01] <willcooke> jamesh, oki, fingers cross, thanks
[11:19] <jbicha> seb128: I'm dropping telepathy support from Ubuntu's GOA. Upstream disabled it by default in 3.26 but I overrode that, but it will be gone permanently in 3.30
[11:19] <jbicha> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2017-October/msg00040.html
[11:20] <seb128> jbicha, hey, fine, I don't think that stack still has many users
[11:30] <seb128> jbicha, when you wrote " 3) Drop support for the WOFF2 format in webkit2gtk", do you know
[11:30] <seb128> - if that's easy, like is that supported by the upstream build system?
[11:30] <seb128> - how used is WOFF2/how much of an impact that would have?
[11:31] <seb128> I guess that's only visible in webbrowser so wouldn't have much impact on the default installation?
[11:31] <Laney> can't reply to the community hub by email?
[11:32] <jbicha> Laney: no :(
[11:32] <Laney> good job I looked up before pressing send :P
[11:32] <seb128> willcooke, ^ known issue right?
[11:32] <seb128> the snapcraft instance allows that :/
[11:32] <willcooke> yeah, we've got an RT open
[11:32] <willcooke> and have done for some time
[11:33] <willcooke> grr
[11:33] <seb128> :/
[11:35] <Laney> moar score / discuss it in the IS liaison call
[11:35] <Laney> #internalchats
[11:35] <jbicha> seb128: it does look like there is a configure flag to disable woff2 in latest webkit2gtk
[11:35] <seb128> I didn't even know we had a such call :)
[11:35] <Laney> in #externalchats: inotify is a difficult API
[11:35] <seb128> jbicha, ok, good, so in any case the review is not blocking us
[11:36] <jbicha> websites need to offer a fallback to woff2 if they care about IE (but not Edge) https://caniuse.com/#feat=woff2
[11:36] <jbicha> it would still be a regression though
[11:36] <seb128> jbicha, but only impact "web" I guess?
[11:36] <jbicha> yes
[11:36] <seb128> k, doesn't sound like a blocker then
[11:36] <seb128> if we had to go that road
[11:37] <Laney> captive portal detector?
[11:37] <seb128> at least not blocking the update, we can re-enable the feature later once the MIRs are approved
[11:37] <jbicha> I pinged in #ubuntu-hardened yesterday and it turns out that the Canonical Security team was assigned to those 2 MIRS instead of Ubuntu Security so it wasn't on their list :(
[11:37] <seb128> jbicha, right, and it came back to us asking what are our priorities because they have quite some items in their backlog
[11:38] <jbicha> brotli and woff2 are technically already in main :|
[11:38] <seb128> that's not how things work
[11:39] <seb128> "they got in through a backdoor process" isn't a reason for not having them properly reviewed
[11:39] <jbicha> *cough* they are still in Firefox now…
[11:39] <seb128> what's your point?
[11:40] <seb128> we should downgrade firefox? or let them in without review just because firefox bundled them?
[11:40] <seb128> I mean you are arguing that having them properly reviewed is wrong or what are you trying to say?
[11:42] <willcooke> seb128, Laney - the hub is likely changing name again, so email replies can hopefully be part of that work
[11:42] <willcooke> hopefully be fixed as..
[11:42] <jbicha> seb128: it just annoys upstream when we diverge like this, but I don't have easy answers :(
[11:47] <seb128> jbicha, k, same then :)
[11:47] <seb128> jbicha, but don't worry, those are going to get reviewed, I'm just trying to make we sure we don't get blocked
[11:48] <seb128> jbicha, seems we are not, we can easily turn that off for a bit to unblock the update if needed (hopefully it isn't though)
[11:48] <jamesh> willcooke: Here's the post about handling themes in snaps: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/supporting-desktop-themes-via-the-content-interface/4122
[11:50] <jbicha> Trevinho: should I publish https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3161 ?
[11:52] <willcooke> thanks jamesh
[11:58] <willcooke> jamesh, great stuff :)
[12:51] <Trevinho> jbicha: no
[12:51] <Trevinho> It compiled fine only because there's gdb in the middle
[12:51] <Trevinho> Well when launching tests
[12:52] <jbicha> ok
[13:08] <tseliot> xnox: the new systemd doesn't seem to solve the problem
[13:09] <xnox> tseliot, yet stopping logind, allows you to unload the module, right?
[13:09] <xnox> tseliot, and/or stop and start logind (NB! not restart)
[13:09] <xnox> tseliot, maybe crank up the logging of all the things as well (debug in /etc/systemd/system.conf)
[13:10] <tseliot> xnox: yes, stopping systemd-logind allows me to unload the module
[13:10] <xnox> tseliot, *sigh*
[13:10] <xnox> tseliot, i think, i may have nvidia prime stuff laptop. but i typically purposefully disable nvidia in the bios.
[13:11] <xnox> tseliot, is there some guide, that i can follow to enable nvidia on Ubuntu and try to reproduce this all? I'm on bionic.
[13:11]  * xnox has never used anything nvidia, cause proprietary
[13:11] <xnox> tseliot, i guess it might be quicker for me to debug this stuff.
[13:13] <tseliot> xnox: do you have a laptop with intel and nvidia?
[13:15] <xnox> tseliot, i believe so, let me bring up a URL with specs. I have this one - http://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-laptops-and-notebooks/xps-15/spd/xps-15-9560-laptop?view=configurations the third column. It sais it should have NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 with 4GB GDDR5
[13:15] <xnox> and it does have intel too, and i use intel-only at the moment.
[13:15] <xnox> but i have the uk model
[13:16] <tseliot> xnox: yes, that should do it
[13:16] <tseliot> xnox: of course you're going to have to enable nvidia from the BIOS, or undo whatever you did to disable nvidia
[13:16] <tseliot> then install nvidia-384
[13:16] <jbicha> seb128: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webkit2gtk/2.19.91-1ubuntu1
[13:17] <seb128> jbicha, great :)
[13:17] <tseliot> xnox: then "sudo prime-select nvidia", and reboot (unless you're using mesa from -proposed)
[13:17] <jbicha> I didn't fully test build it becuase that takes hours but I think that will work for us for now
[13:19] <jbicha> but actually webkit2gtk built in less than an hour on s390x in my ppa https://blogs.gnome.org/mcatanzaro/2018/02/17/on-compiling-webkit-now-twice-as-fast/
[13:21] <seb128> jbicha, is there a packaging vcs?
[13:21] <seb128> jbicha, ignore that
[13:22] <seb128> https://anonscm.debian.org/git/pkg-webkit/webkit.git is right, it's just that the new version is in a branch
[13:22] <jbicha> yeah, it's a bit confusing
[13:25] <seb128> jbicha, looking at https://anonscm.debian.org/git/pkg-webkit/webkit.git/commit/?h=wk2/experimental&id=8ec6b681 some symbols were added when it was turned off ... so let's see if that's an issue
[13:28] <jdstrand> willcooke (cc jamesh, and kenvandine): fyi, zyga took over the per-user mounts branch for portals. he isn't in this channel, so probably need to talk in #nappy, but it is his highest priority
[13:29] <xnox> tseliot, i have a team meeting, and then i will play with this. please bear with me.
[13:30] <willcooke> thanks jdstrand, did you see jamesh previous comments on the security aspects?  Is that all related to the work zyga was doing?
[13:31] <willcooke> I understand that he's off sick today, so just want to get things straight in my head today if poss
[13:35] <jdstrand> willcooke: that is precisely what zyga is working on. he has already given me PRs to review (which I did), doing some rfactors (in progress), trying different approaches to avoid the race at all (in progress) and is confident we can fallback to 'check after' approach if his experiments don't pan out
[13:35] <willcooke> jdstrand, got it, thanks very much
[13:38] <jdstrand> willcooke: as for mounting underneath, users shouldn't be able to race a predictable file/dir name (that is the existing issue). if portals itself (which does the mounts) can be raced/etc, then that would be a bug in portals that should be reported
[13:51] <tseliot> xnox: no problem
[13:56] <kenvandine> jdstrand, thx
[14:28] <seb128> jbicha, seems like webkitgtk builds fine ;)
[14:50] <kenvandine> jbicha, about bug 1750382 how do you feel about sticking with 0.11 for 18.04?
[14:50] <kenvandine> i'm inclined to say it's fine
[15:04] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, I'm preparing a new upload for libreoffice 6.0 with a patch that disables the failing autopkgtest, will you be able to upload it for me when it's ready?
[15:06] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, sure
[15:07] <oSoMoN> thanks
[15:07] <oSoMoN> it should be ready soon
[15:26] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, ready at https://people.canonical.com/~osomon/libreoffice-6.0.1/bionic/0ubuntu2/
[15:27] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, i'm on it
[15:27] <oSoMoN> thanks
[15:31] <oSoMoN> ricotz, FYI, to unblock the migration: https://git.launchpad.net/~libreoffice/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/commit/?id=90fd3ce6645729ad57c6f043b3316bcb47f85097
[16:22] <jbicha> kenvandine: 0.11 will be harder to justify for SRUs if anyone wants to work on them
[16:23] <jbicha> on the other hand, like I said before Debian/Ubuntu were the only distros I know that of that used the 0.8 LTS series
[16:23] <jbicha> and people complained about that
[16:24] <kenvandine> yeah
[16:24] <Trevinho> seb128, jbicha: once ppa binaries have been published you can now publish this please https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3138
[16:25] <jbicha> kenvandine: ask Alex what he recommends then?
[16:25] <ahayzen> jbicha, 0.11 with the possibility of 1.X SRU later ;-)
[16:26] <ahayzen> also, you might have issues contacting Alex for two weeks https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/flatpak/2018-February/000946.html
[16:26] <kenvandine> hey ahayzen!
[16:26] <ahayzen> kenvandine, o/
[16:26] <jbicha> ahayzen: Flatpak's biggest problem in Ubuntu is it needs an Ubuntu developer using it, to make sure things work and make sure SRUs are ok
[16:26] <jbicha> I don't use Flatpak so that's not me
[16:27] <ahayzen> right, i've been using it and submitting bugs/fixes where appropriate if i can. But guess it needs an official maintainer
[16:27] <kenvandine> me either
[16:27] <kenvandine> ahayzen, sounds like you win :)
[16:27] <ahayzen> hah, did i win beer ?
[16:28] <kenvandine> you can help maintain it :)
[16:28] <jbicha> part of the problem finding Ubuntu developers is that a major use case for Flatpak is running latest version of apps, but that's mostly satisfied by running Ubuntu's dev release
[16:28] <kenvandine> or maybe let us know when it breaks
[16:28] <ahayzen> happy to help were appropriate, but i may lack maintainer knowledge
[16:38] <ricotz> oSoMoN, thanks
[16:39] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, sponsored
[16:42] <ahayzen> kenvandine, what sort of thing would be involved if one did want to become a maintainer/help out with SRUs ? I assume syncing packaging for future releases, fixing autopkgtests, testing the packages in -proposed etc, looking for issues? (is there a Wiki with this info)
[16:45] <kenvandine> most of those things
[16:45] <kenvandine> the primary key is someone that would notice there are bugs
[16:45] <kenvandine> and help test those in an SRU
[16:45] <kenvandine> even better would be actually handling the SRU of the package
[16:45] <kenvandine> that would rock
[16:45] <kenvandine> i'd be happy to sponsor such package updates
[16:46] <kenvandine> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[16:46] <kenvandine> ahayzen, ^^ has the rationale and the steps (rather verbose)
[16:48] <ahayzen> kenvandine, interesting, would be happy to help. thanks for the link
[16:48] <kenvandine> ahayzen, awesome!
[16:49] <kenvandine> ahayzen, maybe you could comment on bug 1750382 mentioning you are willing to help look after it in ubuntu
[16:50] <ahayzen> kenvandine, sure
[16:54] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, thanks!
[17:00] <jbicha> ahayzen: Ubuntu 17.10's Flatpak needs to be updated if you want to work on that… :)
[17:01] <kenvandine> jbicha, throw him into the fire :)
[17:01] <jbicha> this is how it starts
[17:02] <ahayzen> as in to 0.8.9? from 0.8.7
[17:02] <jbicha> yes
[17:04] <jbicha> in 2011, Seb's like "you could help work on GNOME3 packaging in the GNOME3 PPA"  ok.  and then later "you could start a GNOME flavor of Ubuntu"  well, ok…
[17:04] <jbicha> and this is where we end up
[17:04] <ahayzen> kenvandine, are you uploading them manually at the moment? rather than having a branch somewhere with recipies/bileto linked?
[17:04] <kenvandine> jbicha, and it's awesome right? :-D
[17:04] <kenvandine> ahayzen, yeah
[17:05] <jbicha> kenvandine: mostly, this is the crazy part of the release cycle :)
[17:05] <kenvandine> jbicha, but debian has it in gitlab
[17:05] <ahayzen> gitlab \o/ \o/
[17:05] <jbicha> break all the things
[17:05] <kenvandine> jbicha, it is crazy time :)
[17:05] <kenvandine> ahayzen, so you could create git branches somewhere if you like
[17:05] <ahayzen> ok, i'll try and take a look when i get a moment :-) see if i can figure anything out
[17:06] <jbicha> ahayzen: you can fork from https://salsa.debian.org/debian/flatpak
[17:06] <ahayzen> ah cool :-)
[17:07] <jbicha> smcv (the Debian maintainer) would love to have team maintainers help out so I'm sure you could get commit privileges there once you've done some packaging work
[17:08] <kenvandine> that would be awesome :)
[17:08] <jbicha> bileto is mostly only used for Unity stuff (and it's optional there currently)
[17:08] <kenvandine> ahayzen, everyone would love to know someone is looking after it in ubuntu
[17:11] <ahayzen> cool, i'll take a look, thanks for the pointers :-)
[18:01] <oSoMoN> time for some real-life activities, have a good evening everyone!
[19:00] <willcooke> EOD time, night all
[20:39] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, I was playing around yesterday and made a thing (https://github.com/robert-ancell/snapper). What's the easiest way to get that onto the Snap store - it would need classic
[20:53] <kenvandine> robert_ancell, is that just a cli tool for querying?
[20:56] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, no, that's a GUI app that shows installed snaps, has searches and does install/remove. The only delays are the search round-trip and the async icon loading (though that will be invisible once I put in an icon cache).
[20:56] <robert_ancell> I'm half done putting in the PK support
[20:57] <kenvandine> neat
[20:57] <kenvandine> do you want me to snap it up?
[20:57] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, yes please. It needs the latest snapd-glib so if you could bundle that in that would be helpful
[20:58] <kenvandine> sure
[20:59] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, I'd like to use it to show what performance we could get and if we can ship it as a snap that would make it super easy for others to see
[20:59] <kenvandine> indeed
[21:34] <kenvandine> robert_ancell, can you please register snapper in the store and add me as a collaborator?
[21:34] <kenvandine> i'll handle getting it packaged
[21:34]  * kenvandine has a build going already
[21:35] <kenvandine> robert_ancell, i'll also submit a PR on github when it's ready
[21:38] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, hmm already registered
[21:38] <kenvandine> oh?
[21:39] <kenvandine> or is it reserved?
[21:39] <kenvandine> they pre-reserved names of packages in the archive as well as some other variations
[21:39] <kenvandine> i believe
[21:39] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, yeah, there's an archive package called snapper
[21:39] <kenvandine> ah
[21:40] <kenvandine> well, you could startout calling it snapper-robert :)
[21:40] <robert_ancell> and snapper-store is reserved too!
[21:40] <kenvandine> wouldn't be the first
[21:40] <kenvandine> snapper-desktop?
[21:40] <kenvandine> desktop-snapper?
[21:41] <robert_ancell> robert-ancell-snapper it is
[21:42] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, where do I set you as a collaborator?
[21:42] <robert_ancell> might have to upload a version first?
[21:42] <kenvandine> "Collaboration"
[21:42] <kenvandine> oh, you don't see that?
[21:42] <kenvandine> ugh...
[21:43] <kenvandine> I'll send you a snap you can download then :)
[21:43] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, this is on dashboard.snapcraft.io ?
[21:43] <kenvandine> yes
[21:43] <kenvandine> Do you see "Overview" ?
[21:44] <kenvandine> indeed
[21:44] <kenvandine> you don't get those controls until it's been uploaded
[21:44] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, it just has "view snap upload instructions". I can't click on it like the other snaps I've already uploaded
[21:44] <kenvandine> yeah
[21:44] <kenvandine> i'll send you something you can upload tomorrow
[21:44] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, just PR in the snacraft stuff and I can build and upload right?
[21:45] <kenvandine> yeah
[21:45] <kenvandine> it'll be faster if you don't bother with the cleanbuild part
[21:45] <kenvandine> i'll do all that and send you the snap to push