[10:11] <TheDude> compengi, yes... the ubuntu box has a wlan (that where teh internet "coming from" through the wlan-router) and ethernet (connected to the windows box), the windows box only has a ethernet
[10:11] <digital> yes it is, I just configured it gaffoo
[10:11] <TheDude> compengi, yes that's the plan
[10:12] <frogzoo> grigora: likely that root is still read only maybe?
[10:12] <grigora> frogzoo: I get the error when I run apt-get dist-upgrade, because dpkg obviously can't use /dev/null
[10:12] <graffoo> i'm glad. have 2 go, bye...
[10:12] <digital> now all I need to do is get wine figured out (installation and running it) and then I'm pretty sure I will be able to muddle through the rest of this myself
[10:12] <digital> !wine
[10:12] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[10:12] <compengi> TheDude goto ##networking i think there you can get help
[10:12] <TheDude> compengi, the cable is a crosslink patch-cable... and I already was able to ping form the windows-box to the ubuntu-box
[10:12] <TheDude> compengi, there they only said use a firewall... which didn't help very much to be honest
[10:13] <grigora> frogzoo: not really, I can store files in the chroot, but I can't do echo hello > /dev/null
[10:13] <grigora> frogzoo: I get a permission denied
[10:13] <graffoo> digital, for wine - install it with automatix - www.getautomatix.org - i did it that way and now windows apps are working by simply double click on them in file manager
[10:13] <sda> hi. I'm having trouble with the default latex-compiler of ubuntu. ie. the one supplied with the system. I have a feeling it's an obsolete version or so, since it fails to compile examples from guides such as "the not so short guide to LaTeX"
[10:13] <digital> nice
[10:13] <VaKo> Ii'm having trouble with the latest nvidia driver for my MX440, when i install it via synaptic and run the config as stated in the support wiki, X gives me a BSOD, can anyone give me ANY help with this?
[10:14] <digital> thank you again graffoo
[10:14] <frogzoo> grigora: mount |grep '/ '
[10:14] <sda> I've looked trough the packages containing "tex" in the name in synaptic, but I can't find anything that isn't installed that should be
[10:14] <grigora> frogzoo: just found this - http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Dev_null_permission_denied - FYI
[10:14] <Nilvio> enyone know something macro program to linux ?
[10:14] <frogzoo> grigora: mount |grep '/ '
[10:14] <compengi> how to limit number of backgrounds/user?
[10:15] <lhds> i want to create a .sh script ... to do so i nano filename.sh? than chmox +x filename? than i type to filename.sh and its supposed to run? if its not working whats wrong?
[10:15] <Nuker> Does Ubuntu installs some kind of Dual Boot so it can run next to windows?
[10:18] <grigora> frogzoo: thanks for your help
[10:19] <nekoz> eh
[10:19] <nekoz> my grub is borked
[10:19] <nekoz> and i tried the using the install cd // live cd method
[10:20] <nekoz> and it crashes the installer
[10:20] <nekoz> :/
[10:20] <nekoz> in the mean time....
[10:20] <nekoz> how do i burn a dvd image from command line??
[10:20] <nekoz> [while using the live cd of course]
[10:20] <nekoz> i cant use cdrecord right?
[10:20] <VaKo> where can i find a decent support service for ubuntu?
[10:20] <molkko> i have dapper desktop installed. what is the most straighforward way to install apache-php-mysql on top of this?
[10:21] <molkko> cant read from wiki. it seems to be down
[10:21] <TEN> VaKo You're part of it right now ;-)
[10:21] <VaKo> then can anyone help me with this nvidia driver/X 7.1 issue?
[10:21] <TheGateKeeper_> if you (k)ubuntu NOT to do the file system I seem to remember you putting an empty file I think in the / called .faststart is that correct?
[10:21] <holycow_> molkko, just use synaptic to start
[10:22] <TheGateKeeper_> *file system check
[10:22] <VaKo> the guide on the wiki just gives me a X bsod and dumps me back at the CLI
[10:22] <gbrent> anyone know of a way to reconfigure the xserver like it was durring the install... I have no xorg.conf file or its backups?
[10:22] <VaKo> and nothing i've tried has fixed it
[10:22] <kholerabbi> Could someone tell me how to install the experience-engine from http://art.gnome.org/themes/gtk_engines/1057
[10:23] <gbrent> kholerabbi: does it have a repository?
[10:23] <kholerabbi> I don't think so
[10:23] <TEN> How do I set a simple font for X consoles (e.g. as from fvwm2 defaults in http://vdr-portal.de/board/attachment.php?attachmentid=1164, or even a bitmap one) on Xubuntu, rather than the default vector fonts needing antialiasing and wasting a lot of "screen real estate" on lower-resolution LCDs?
[10:23] <kholerabbi> Its just a tar
[10:23] <Nuker> Does Ubuntu installs some kind of Dual Boot so it can run next to windows?
[10:23] <TheGateKeeper_> gbrent: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg --reinstall
[10:24] <gbrent> Nuker: you can but  would install Windows first
[10:24] <compengi> how to limit number of backgrounds/user?
[10:24] <Nuker> gbrent, thanks
[10:24] <TEN> As in http://vdr-portal.de/board/attachment.php?attachmentid=11646 that is, of course
[10:24] <sphivo> gbrent: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", and answer "yes" when it asks to autodetect anything
[10:25] <kholerabbi> Nuker: If you install windows after you install ubuntu you wont be able to launch ubuntu because windows wipes the GRUB (which allows you to pick the operating system you wont to run at startup)
[10:25] <nekoz> Nuker: theoretically you can save your linux install even if you install windows second
[10:25] <nekoz> personally im having a bit of trouble with it but meh
[10:25] <nekoz> ;p
[10:25] <compengi> how to limit number of backgrounds/user?
[10:25] <kingdong> you need to reinstall grub to the bootloader if it gets wiped, grub-install will do it for you
[10:25] <Nuker> thanks once again ;)
[10:26] <gbrent> TheGateKeeper, sphivo: I have have tried dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg with no luck once i startx
[10:26] <VaKo> how do i install nvidia drivers on 6.06 without X crashing at startup? anyone?
[10:28] <gbrent> sphivo: wow, your way worked, I justhit enter all the way through without looking
[10:28] <nekoz> kingdong:
[10:28] <nekoz> i tried that btw
[10:28] <gbrent> sphivo: I was about to reinstall
[10:28] <nekoz> grub-install /dev/hda
[10:28] <gbrent> thank you
[10:28] <nekoz> and
[10:28] <sphivo> gbrent: No problem.
[10:28] <nekoz> grub-install /dev/hda3
[10:28] <nekoz> neither worked/.// gave some error about not being able to find /boot/
[10:29] <TEN> VaKo Most of ZA/EU/US/CA who could tell us about X are probably asleep right now though ;-)
[10:29] <clem-vangelis> hi all , i have a big problem with sudo cmd , i don't do anuything and sudo give me that error : bash: /usr/bin/sudo permission denied
[10:29] <clem-vangelis> very strange thing
[10:29] <mart> hi again, i have installed the nvidia drivers for amd64 but when i boot up it cannot start xserver as it says the kernel its using is not the same as the nvidia one
[10:29] <marius24> please tell me how to enable the 7.1 in ubuntu 6 ?   i just installed it i have an audigy 4
[10:30] <VaKo> there asleep? bugger
[10:30] <mart> something like X uses kernel 7174 and i installed 8774
[10:30] <mart> is there anyway to update the kernel the gui uses?
[10:30] <nekoz> Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
[10:30] <nekoz> that error kingdong
[10:30] <American-Tech> When I go to set my screen saver in Ubuntu it always freezes the computer
[10:30] <American-Tech> any thouhgt?
[10:30] <Drako60> mart, are you using XGL?
[10:31] <mart> honestly... not sure
[10:31] <mart> lol
[10:31] <mart> im very new
[10:31] <mart> 1 day on ubuntu
[10:31] <marius24> any one can help me ?
[10:31] <Drako60> mart, did you install the nvidia drivers from apt or from the nvidia website?
[10:31] <mart> nvidia site
[10:31] <mart> first i installed nvidia-glx
[10:31] <mart> that works
[10:32] <mart> but i was getting problems with some games, shakey graphics
[10:32] <mart> so installed the latest headers for my kernel
[10:32] <Drako60> mart, nvidia-glx is conflicting with the nvidia drivers
[10:32] <gbrent> sphivo: now I get logged out as soon as I log into gnome and it goes to command line.. then after 10sec is goes to the xlogin screen
[10:32] <kingdong> nekoz: maybe it is a bug, did you try doing it manually from the grub prompt?
[10:32] <gbrent> sphivo: I did a apt-get --reinstall install on gnome
[10:32] <Drako60> mart, dpkg --purge remove nvidia-glx
[10:32] <gbrent> sphivo: that still did not help
[10:33] <mart> ah, will try that
[10:33] <marius24> ok i managed to get them work  7.1
[10:33] <marius24> tnx
[10:33] <marius24> for nothin :)
[10:33] <bjohag> i cant comeonline with my laptop with xubuntu when i bott the os from my hard drive, but it works when i boot from the CD
[10:33] <Drako60> mart, you may have to reinstall the nvidia drivers again after you do that
[10:33] <bjohag> boot :)
[10:33] <mart> massive help
[10:33] <mart> will be a while... keep having to load up windows just to check the net :P
[10:34] <gbrent> Drako60: Im back and got everything going. I had to reconfigure x a million times but now I assume I have a good config
[10:34] <Drako60> mart, if you do ctrl+alt+f1 you should get a command line and be able to log in to your computer
[10:34] <TheGateKeeper_> anyone remember the name of the empty file you need to add to stop (k)ubuntu doing it's file system check on boot up?
[10:35] <bjohag> is there anyone who have had this problem?
[10:35] <Drako60> mart, you can then type irssi which is a text based irc client
[10:35] <mart> ah no
[10:35] <mart> the gui will not load at all
[10:35] <Drako60> gbrent, no other problems pop up?
[10:35] <mart> thats when i get the error about using a different kernel
[10:35] <kingdong> bjohag: did you configure your network settings correctly
[10:35] <Drako60> mart, ctrl+alt+f1 takes you to a text command line, so you can log into your machine from a terminal, there is no x invovled in using the terminal
[10:36] <gbrent> Drako60: maybe you could help me out with this issue, its what started this whole quest: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1454505#post1454505
[10:36] <mart> cant remember what the error had now..   Reinstalling the gnome package will just reinstall a tiny metapackage, you may want to remove something low-level like libgtk2.0 (and all its deps), then re-install ubuntu-desktop to make sure your gnome is like-new.
[10:37] <bjohag> kingdong: i have tried, but xubuntu cant even find the ethernet card ... it can when i boot from the cd though
[10:37] <mart> i'll purge the nvidia glx, and actually write the error down
[10:37] <sphivo> gbrent: Unless it's a gdm issue or something.
[10:37] <Drako60> mart, i'm just saying you can log in from the terminal so you don't have to go back and forth to windows
[10:37] <gbrent> sphivo: yeah, I am not sure where the issues lies yet
[10:37] <mart> thankyou
[10:38] <gbrent> sphivo: definatly gdm or gnome
[10:38] <Drako60> gbrent, i suggest you check this thread out http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=139264
[10:38] <compengi> how to limit number of backgrounds/user?
[10:38] <bioticpro> what is a good program to join video clips?
[10:38] <American-Tech> fixed
[10:38] <Lathiat> compengi: you can set a number of processes limit in /etc/security/limits.conf
[10:38] <Lathiat> compengi: i think this applies in trees tho (e.g. per login) and not globally
[10:39] <PiTT> i have a question
[10:39] <PiTT> i mounted my NTFS drives
[10:39] <PiTT> but they show up on my desktop
[10:39] <PiTT> i dont want that
[10:39] <PiTT> how can i remove the drive icosn from there?
[10:39] <digital> hola all
[10:39] <PiTT> only option i have is to "unmount drive"
[10:39] <Naik0> Hey im doing my own bash script with some commands. Im newbie so im just testing. But could i make a script that gets information from my mysql database?
[10:39] <Nilvio> how i can script mouse macro ?
[10:39] <Ayabara> how can I tell X if it should use kdm og gdm?
[10:40] <compengi> Lathiat this limits number of processes/user but not how many things that can be connected to the net
[10:40] <mjr> Ayabara, sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm (or kdm) should ask which to be used
[10:40] <digital> could anyone please tell me how to configure wine?
[10:40] <digital> !wine.conf
[10:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wine.conf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:40] <MetaMorfoziS> winecfg
[10:40] <VaKo> is there a list of major companies that use ubuntu?
[10:40] <MetaMorfoziS> or wine regedit
[10:40] <gbrent> Drako60: what page... there are 118 pages
[10:40] <Lathiat> compengi: you cant really do that
[10:41] <Ayabara> mjr: that did the trick. thanks!!
[10:41] <Lathiat> compengi: without writing some custom script to hunt for connections and the like and kill off extras
[10:41] <gbrent> Drako60: just everything about installing nVidia in general?
[10:41] <compengi> lathiat i see
[10:42] <Drako60> gbrent, thats almost all the problems you can encounter with using the nvidia drivers, check around pages 6-10 or so if i recall correctly
[10:47] <u221e> Great... the wiki is down, just when I need it.
[10:48] <richard__> im having trouble uninstalling the Azureus version with gtk
[10:48] <Ayabara> I have a fan problem with my inspiron 6000. sounds like the fan is at a high speed all the time in ubuntu. seem to recall that installing chipset drivers for intel fixed it under windows, but what can I do in linux?
[10:48] <richard__> its loacated in the opt folder
[10:49] <richard__> how do i uninstall it?
[10:49] <Drako60> richard__, did you use apt to install it?
[10:49] <pippo12> Hi from Italy
[10:50] <richard__> I dont recall
[10:50] <compengi> Lathiat i have a question how can i benifit with limiting number of processes?
[10:50] <printk> Hi, you have good lasagna
[10:50] <Drako60> richard__, open synaptic and search for azureus, if its marked green right click remove
[10:50] <richard__> done that
[10:50] <richard__> failed
[10:50] <Lathiat> compengi: i dont know why do you want to limit them in the first place?
[10:50] <Lathiat> compengi: sounds like your trying to do a shell-server type thing?
[10:50] <k31th> yo, any of you guys have jackd setup ??
[10:51] <compengi> Lathiat kind of yes
[10:51] <pippo12> very good lasagna e maccheroni ;)
[10:51] <Drako60> richard__, odd i have Azureus installed but its not in /opt
[10:51] <printk> limiting number of processes on a user bases?
[10:51] <[H] 3b0R> what how do i make gdm use .xsession?
[10:51] <richard__> there are two versions of azureus
[10:51] <Drako60> richard__, is there an uninstall-sh in the azureus dir?
[10:52] <compengi> printk yes
[10:52] <Victoras> hi i am victor compengi
[10:52] <compengi> Victoras hi
[10:52] <richard__> no unistall-sh
[10:52] <Victoras> how are you . would you like to chat
[10:53] <compengi> Victoras chat about what
[10:53] <Victoras> hei compengi answer!
[10:53] <compengi> hi
[10:53] <compengi> lol'
[10:53] <Victoras> where are you?
[10:53] <Alxandra> i have a problem with that xserver error can anyone please help me
[10:53] <peter____> how can i restore the original ubuntu login screen after installing KDE, and XFCE?
[10:53] <compengi> i'm fine, you
[10:53] <Drako60> Alxandra, what is the error?
[10:54] <siezer> Im looking to find a way to grant users who log into a workstation locally (at the console) different permissions to devices (cdrom, soundcard, etc) than a user that logs in remotely (ssh, whatever).... I've heard of this being done but an having a hard time googling for it (console is a vauge term), any ideas?
[10:54] <cafuego> If you want to, sure.
[10:54] <Victoras> compengi Please tel me in wich country are you compengi?
[10:54] <ChaosFan> compengi, Victoras: don't you think it would be more appropriate using a query for private conversation/
[10:54] <richard__> no unistall-sh
[10:54] <Victoras> Ok]
[10:54] <richard__> any ideas Drak060
[10:54] <compengi> ChaosFan lol that's what i was thinking of lol
[10:55] <Alxandra> i downgraded my xserver core to 10.0
[10:55] <Alxandra> upgraded to 10.4
[10:55] <Alxandra> but none of them worked
[10:55] <Alxandra> Drako60
[10:55] <Drako60> richard__, hmm none, i have Teamspeak installed and its in /opt but it created an uninstall script
[10:55] <gbrent> sphivo: I dont have a package called libgtk2.0. Did you mean something else?
[10:55] <Drako60> Alxandra, what error does X give you?
[10:55] <Victoras> hei compengi lets talk about music!
[10:55] <Alxandra> x server failed
[10:56] <ChaosFan> !offtopic > Victoras
[10:56] <Victoras> hei chaos fan i whas chatin with compengi!!!!!!!!
[10:57] <Alxandra> anybody has any idea about thata popular xserver error
[10:57] <ChaosFan> Victoras: and this is an ubuntu support channel, not intended for private conversation
[10:57] <Victoras> hei alexandra iknow
[10:57] <Flannel> Victoras: Chatting belongs in #ubuntu-offtopic, this channel is specifically for support related items, thanks
[10:57] <sphivo> gbrent: libgtk2.0-0
[10:58] <Victoras> i am sorry but i am the first time on chat!
[10:58] <gbrent> sphivo: how do I specify all its dependants. doesn't it auto do that?
[10:58] <Alxandra> Victoras
[10:58] <sphivo> gbrent: It will
[10:58] <yoshiznit123> anybody know what's up with the wiki
[10:58] <Lunar_Raven> hmmmmm im in the kubuntu room but no one seems to know the answer to my question..im assuming its similar for ubuntu.  How would I restore default desktop settings for my kubuntu system?
[10:58] <gbrent> sweet
[10:58] <NineTeen67Comet> Whelp .. When I reboot or shut down it halts at the "Will Now Reboot" line on shutdown .. I have to hold the power button in for a while to shut it off, then again to turn it on .. what might I start looking at for this?
[10:58] <Victoras> Alexandra the server is humunuku apua
[10:59] <Alxandra> did you have this problem also (xserver fail)
[10:59] <detectiveinspekt> Trying to install a new driver but /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/ doesn't exist
[10:59] <detectiveinspekt> where do X drivers go?
[10:59] <Victoras> no
[10:59] <Flannel> Lunar_Raven: nope, that's fairly kubuntu specific.  Youre talking about the KDE options, right?
[10:59] <Lunar_Raven> ah yes, but I thought all you had to do was reinstall kubuntu-default-settings
[10:59] <Lunar_Raven> but that didnt work
[10:59] <castra> hi all ..do you guys have problems with external usb drive mounting? I get error msg that drive can't be mounted coz there is nothing thats pointing to it inn fstab !! Only way to mount it is to use mount command as root !
[10:59] <Lunar_Raven> but yes, kde
[10:59] <Lunar_Raven> heh
[10:59] <Lunar_Raven> :P
[11:00] <Victoras> hei alexandra do you want to talk about films
[11:00] <Victoras>  8-)
[11:00] <Flannel> Lunar_Raven: you might try a purge, er, Im not familiar with Adept terminology.  "Complete Removal" in synaptic.  It removes config files as well.
[11:00] <Victoras>  :'(
[11:00] <Flannel> Victoras: please, take it to #ubuntu-offtopic (/join #ubuntu-offtopic)
[11:00] <gbrent> sphivo: I did an apt-get --reinstall install libgtk2.0-0 but it only took about 40 sec. That does not seem right does it?
[11:00] <peter____> how can i restore the original ubuntu login-screen?
[11:00] <Alxandra> i cant watch any films now. gnome doent start
[11:00] <Lunar_Raven> ok thanks flannel
[11:00] <mart> hi again...
[11:01] <Victoras> what?lets chat please
[11:01] <sphivo> gbrent: I mean "apt-get remove libgtk2.0-0" let it get rid of dozens of deps, then "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" to make sure your gnome is as-shipped.
[11:01] <ChaosFan> Victoras: join #ubuntu-offtopic if you want to chat, not this channel, please
[11:02] <Victoras> whats your problem flannel
[11:02] <gbrent> will do, thanks
[11:02] <Flannel> Victoras: this is NOT a chatting channel.  #ubuntu-offtopic is for general chatting
[11:03] <victi> shut up flannel
[11:03] <castra> Victoras, Flannel is right, this channel is all about ubuntu support ... none related issues are not to be talked about in here
[11:03] <gbrent> sphivo: WOW 727mb - ill be back to give the results
[11:03] <ChaosFan> victi: and stay polite. the way you're acting you're not making friends in here
[11:03] <victi> oh yes and what does it mean ubunutu
[11:04] <mart> i have an API mismatch error when booting up,
[11:04] <sphivo> gbrent: If you know your system was screwed playing with X, config, don't waste the time doing that, though.
[11:04] <sphivo> (I saw you talking about nvidia install since I said that.)
[11:04] <victi> hei any body dosent wants to answer
[11:05] <mart> says Failed to start Xserver(your GUI) would you like to se output
[11:05] <ChaosFan> victi: you don't know what ubuntu is?
[11:05] <gbrent> sphivo: well x is doing great now... this is my original issue. I jacked things up trying to resolve my original isue
[11:05] <castra> guys..ideas about my Q ?
[11:05] <mart> output says api mismatch the nvidia kernel module have version 7174
[11:05] <sphivo> gbrent: Haha, OK.
[11:05] <mart> this X module has the version 8774
[11:06] <mart> anyone seen that before?
[11:06] <Ayabara> I need a backup tool for incremental backup to an external harddrive. anyone here using simplebackup or kdar?
[11:06] <ChaosFan> castra: what about creating the line in fstab?
[11:06] <mart> I have tried purging nvidia glx, and uninstalling then reinstalling the nvidia drivers
[11:06] <gbrent> sphivo: can i specify my ubuntu cd as the repository and then do updates instead of downloading everything? I have never set the CD as the repo
[11:07] <ChaosFan> gbrent: your cd will not be very up-to-date...
[11:07] <ChaosFan> gbrent: it's kind of... static
[11:07] <castra> ChaosFan, yes I could do that but was wondering WHY it can't do it on the fly ?
[11:07] <sphivo> gbrent: Most of it'll have to be re-downloaded anyway.
[11:08] <gbrent> ChaosFan: Mines magical
[11:08] <gbrent> Ill just download
[11:08] <ChaosFan> castra: can you do something on the fly you know nothing about?
[11:09] <opexoc> Can you tell me how Linus could write linux? I know that he modeled his kernel on unix kernel, but how he knew unix kernel is build?
[11:09] <castra> ChaosFan, I belive that previous version could mount it with out be adding stuff to fstab due to the fact that udev could detect it and add line needed to be able to mount drive
[11:09] <Flannel> opexoc: he didn't.
[11:09] <shonen> i'm trying to get a better resolution out of my ubuntu install. right now all I can use is 1024x768 even though all the monitor lines for all the depths in xorg.conf say only "1280x960" (my target resolution). how do I make gnome's res 1280x960?
[11:09] <ChaosFan> castra: then there was an appropriate udev rule
[11:10] <nostalgeek> how could I easly configure boot default in grub?
[11:10] <ChaosFan> castra: but somewhere in a file there has to be information about what to do
[11:10] <opexoc> Flannel: so how he knew like linux kernel should have seen?
[11:10] <gbrent> sphivo: So why don't I just do a reinstall? Everything will disapear exept things in my home directory by doing it how I am now. I do like the challenge rescue the system however
[11:11] <ChaosFan> opexoc: i believe he used "Operating Systems: Design and Implementation" by Tanenbaum
[11:11] <ChaosFan> opexoc: and implemented what he needed, then he opened the source, users used it, and they implemented what they needed. so it did grow
[11:11] <Flannel> opexoc: because he had an idea as to how it should behave, and from that, you can decide how you want it to work.  This is really a better topic for #ubuntu-offtopic though, we can continue there if you still have questions
[11:12] <shonen> gnome's only supported res on my box is 1024x768, even though my xorg.conf is set to 1280x960. how do i add 1280x960 as an option?
[11:13] <sphivo> gbrent: Whatever you prefer; I tend to use reinstall only as the nuclear option.
[11:13] <sphivo> gbrent: Seeing as the update will be >700MB, may as well.
[11:14] <opexoc> ChaosFan: I read that he was reading some source of some educational unix-like-kernel, maybe written by Tanenbaum... but if it is true, so how Tanenbaum knew how should looks like the unix kernel?
[11:15] <ChaosFan> opexoc: he read the minix source
[11:15] <gbrent> sphivo: I think Im gonna because there is no gareentee that this will work when it is done. If it didn't then I would jump off a cliff. I only installed Ubuntu a few days ago for the first time ever. Im reinstalling
[11:15] <ChaosFan> opexoc: thats the example OS discussed in the aforementioned book
[11:15] <timjohn> hey everyone, I've got a question about my T21 laptop.........
[11:15] <sphivo> gbrent: Good luck, hope it goes well for you.
[11:16] <kingdong> go ahead timjohn
[11:16] <grigora> hi, I am having trouble booting from GRUB, even though the kernel image is available I still get a file not found error
[11:16] <gbrent> sphivo: what can go wrong on an install that I know already works fine with defaults. see you all in a bit. laters
[11:16] <grigora> any ideas?
[11:16] <timjohn> it periodically freezes at the PCI interupt step on the boot.
[11:16] <ChaosFan> opexoc: but minix uses a microkernel, linus decided to use a monolithic one, and how tanenbaum kew about the unix kernel... i think he just had enough experienced, he already taught the subject for a while back then
[11:16] <opexoc> ChaosFan: hmm... so Minix has open soruce? Is it unix? Is there any unix which has open source?
[11:17] <Flannel> opexoc: one doesn't need to see the source / know how something works to be able to mimic it.  Its pretty easy once youre familiar with how it interacts with everything.
[11:17] <ChaosFan> opexoc: linux, for example. and minix is "open for educational purposes"
[11:17] <pingu> opexoc: the closest you are going to find is one of the free BSD's.
[11:17] <castra> ChaosFan, so you are confirming what I suspected that lates ubuntu can't mount stuff on its own..thanks
[11:17] <grigora> anyone knows why grub wouldn't find the kernel image when it's in /boot?
[11:18] <opexoc> ChaosFan: hm... linux is not a unix...
[11:18] <pingu> Well, only unix is really a unix.
[11:18] <ChaosFan> opexoc: it's unix-like, but what do you want?
[11:19] <opexoc> ChaosFan:  I want to find out is there truly unix which has open source?
[11:19] <ChaosFan> opexoc: due to SCO, the answer to this question must be "no".
[11:20] <ompaul> opexoc, free software or open source - you could try playing with opensolaris when you do remember this ubuntu on the niagra platform served more pages out of the box than opensolaris
[11:20] <opexoc> ChaosFan: so... minix is not really unix...
[11:20] <ompaul> !offtopic
[11:20] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[11:21] <ChaosFan> opexoc: only unix is really unix. and unix is owned by SCO.
[11:21] <opexoc> ChaosFan: and linus did not base on true unix
[11:21] <bbrazil> ChaosFan: eh, no. Take it to #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:22] <ompaul> ChaosFan, opexoc please take that conversation to the channel #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:22] <rambo3> someone digging up old news
[11:22] <opexoc> I have gone there...
[11:22] <ChaosFan> opexoc: i send you a private message
[11:23] <opexoc> ChaosFan: I did not see any...
[11:24] <AlexC> Hey,
[11:24] <AlexC> How can I use CVS in Ubuntu?
[11:24] <eric_1> hello... can i ask how to install kde??
[11:24] <AlexC> Like to connect to to a CVS server and download the files?
[11:24] <ChaosFan> opexoc: my fault, the other channel, then
[11:24] <bbrazil> AlexC: yes
[11:25] <AlexC> bbrazil, yes? that makes no sesne =)
[11:25] <eric_1> can anyone help me how to install kde
[11:25] <eric_1> i cant get it to work when i type: aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[11:25] <MetaMorfoziS> eric_1: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:25] <bbrazil> AlexC: apt-get install cvs
[11:25] <eric_1> i already tried that Meta
[11:25] <MetaMorfoziS> not aptitude
[11:25] <ompaul> eric_1, use sudo
[11:25] <MetaMorfoziS> apt-get
[11:25] <MetaMorfoziS> yes sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:26] <eric_1> i am getting errors when i use apt-get meta
[11:26] <MetaMorfoziS> what errors?
[11:26] <eric_1> wait
[11:26] <MetaMorfoziS> ok if it's much, use pastebin
[11:26] <eric_1> E: Broken Packages
[11:26] <richard__> HELP .... anyone know how to uninstall the blackdown version of Azureus??
[11:27] <eric_1> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[11:27] <eric_1> kubuntu-desktop: Depends: amarok but it is not going to be installed
[11:27] <ompaul> eric_1, don't paste here
[11:27] <MetaMorfoziS> sudo apt-get -f install
[11:27] <eric_1> oops sorry ompaul
[11:27] <MetaMorfoziS> sudo apt-get -f install
[11:27] <ompaul> eric_1, use paste.ubuntu-nl.org for all that
[11:27] <eric_1> can i send you private message MetaMorfoziS?
[11:27] <MetaMorfoziS> it tries to repair the dependencies
[11:27] <MetaMorfoziS> eric_1:yes via pastebin
[11:27] <MetaMorfoziS> ^^ in topic
[11:28] <opexoc> ChaosFan: but something else question I have... Could you back to #ubuntu-offtopic?
[11:28] <ompaul> eric_1, just do what MetaMorfoziS suggested "sudo apt-get -f install"
[11:28] <MetaMorfoziS> that service able to copy a lot of lines, and store, and you only need to link it.
[11:28] <eric_1> then?
[11:28] <ompaul> eric_1, then try it again
[11:29] <eric_1> i still get the same error
[11:29] <AlexC> Woah, CVS is confusing - could someone help me connect to  a server and dowload all files please?
[11:29] <eric_1> sorry guys, am still new to this
[11:29] <MetaMorfoziS> eric_1:it's not problem
[11:29] <eric_1> MetaMorfoziS i still get the same error
[11:29] <MetaMorfoziS> we are there only for help
[11:29] <MetaMorfoziS> eric_1:pastebin it
[11:30] <eric_1> what @ Meta
[11:30] <MetaMorfoziS> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[11:30] <iyank4> i have install postfix + courier imap, i can send email with mutt, but i can not login via imap
[11:30] <MetaMorfoziS> eric_1: check: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ and copy your error to the textarea, and submit and link that..
[11:31] <crashd> morning guys :)
[11:31] <Dead_> yo
[11:31] <crashd> just trying to remember what that sourcefork of xmms is called, as i need a decent mp3 player
[11:31] <crashd> and the ones that come stock with ubuntu don't gel for me
[11:31] <Dead_> g besoin daide
[11:31] <iyank4> evening here :-)
[11:31] <MetaMorfoziS>   foooood:D
[11:32] <eric_1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22418 <- here meta
[11:32] <timjohn> I got disconected in case someone had an answer for my problem. if not, I get stalled at the PCI interrupt step on the boot process, this doesn't happen always, just 4 out of 5 times I boot...
[11:32] <AlexC> Woah, CVS is confusing - could someone help me connect to  a server and dowload all files please?
[11:33] <ookami> how can i check if doublebuffer is working properly? I have specified load dbe in the xorg, but conky is failing to use double buffer... so, i need to check if its working right
[11:33] <iyank4> i have install postfix + courier imap, i can send email with mutt, but i can not login via imap, help pls, URGENT
[11:33] <eric_1> @ MetaMorfoziS -> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22418
[11:33] <MetaMorfoziS> i seee...
[11:34] <MetaMorfoziS> what distro did you use?
[11:34] <eric_1> the 6.06 LTS
[11:34] <MetaMorfoziS> i dunno what causes this error, trying google...
[11:35] <MetaMorfoziS> did you dist-upgraded?
[11:35] <eric_1> upgraded?
[11:35] <eric_1> not yet
[11:35] <pc22> is there ubuntu for imate?
[11:36] <eric_1> done
[11:36] <AlexC> How can I connect to a CVS Server and download all files?
[11:36] <ookami> how can i test double buffer / dbe ?
[11:36] <eric_1> any other way to install kde??
[11:37] <eric_1> am clueless
[11:37] <eric_1> :-s
[11:37] <MetaMorfoziS> eric_1: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=186672
[11:38] <MetaMorfoziS> it linked from: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-186570.html
[11:38] <ompaul> *** note *** this is back https://help.ubuntu.com/
[11:38] <rambo3> !infor libgcj7 edgy
[11:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about infor libgcj7 edgy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:38] <kingdong> thx ompaul i was waiting
[11:38] <rambo3> !info libgcj7 edgy
[11:38] <AlexC> No one in here knows anything about CVS??
[11:38] <ubotu> Package libgcj7 does not exist in edgy
[11:39] <eric_1> aight thanks
[11:39] <Lynoure> Many do, I bet
[11:39] <AlexC> How can I connect to a CVS Server and download all files?
[11:39] <ChaosFan> AlexC: usually you know what you want to check out from cvs
[11:39] <timjohn> Anyone have any idea bout my PCI interrupt problem?
[11:40] <ookami> I noticed something odd today, i have a tri-monitor set up and when i drag any video graphics intense item to my far right monitor, it shoots my cpu up to 100%, but when its in the other two monitors it goes back down to 12%.  wierd.
[11:40] <AlexC> ChaosFan, I want to get all files from it - I'm trying to get Horde Whups Bug Trackign,
[11:40] <AlexC> ChaosFan, http://www.horde.org/whups/ -> But they've made it so damm hard to download
[11:41] <iyank4> how i configure courier-imap, so it can accept user connection
[11:41] <daurnimator> how can i stop ubuntu from picking up my tv cards ir sensor?
[11:41] <daurnimator> - its doing it by default
[11:41] <ChaosFan> AlexC: there is an howto on that site
[11:41] <daurnimator> and i can't seem to disable it
[11:41] <daurnimator> - i need it for otehr things
[11:41] <daurnimator> :S
[11:42] <Begasus> howdy peeps
[11:42] <Begasus> is there anyone that know how to uninstall a installed version for Pixel on ubuntu?
[11:42] <rambo3> !info libgcj7
[11:42] <ubotu> libgcj7: Java runtime library for use with gcj. In component main, is optional. Version 4.1.0-1ubuntu8 (dapper), package size 5968 kB, installed size 20840 kB
[11:43] <ChaosFan> AlexC: CVS/Source->Using CVS. which modules you can get is listed in cvs/source->modules
[11:46] <TEN> modprobe dvb-ttpci keeps failing with a "could not load firmware, file not found: dvb-ttpci-01.fw" message - after the firmware is in place and does have the rights of chown a+r ... is it looking in a different location than usr/lib/hotplug/firmware as the error message claims:
[11:47] <AlexC> ChaosFan, yeh I just don't understand it _at_ all
[11:47] <bjohag> hi again
[11:47] <detectiveinspekt> where do xorg drivers go? /usr/lib/modules/drivers doesn't exist
[11:48] <ChaosFan> AlexC: just type the commands available there into a shell
[11:48] <bjohag> still can?t get my network card to work in xubuntu ... does anyone know why the card works when you boot from the CD but not when you boot from the hard drive
[11:48] <AlexC> ChaosFan, yeh I've logged in - like it said, but now what do I do? It didn't _do_ anything
[11:48] <eric_1> @MetaMorfoziS i edit the sources.list and replaced it with a clean dapper sources.list
[11:48] <crashd> bjohag: which network card do you have?
[11:49] <eric_1> i still need to run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade right?
[11:49] <ChaosFan> AlexC: you logged in? the do cvs co <module>, where <module> is one of those listen on the modules page
[11:50] <bjohag> it is a xircom network insert card for a laptop
[11:50] <AlexC> ChaosFan, Ok, now it's going loads of CVS Checkouts,
[11:50] <AlexC> ChaosFan, ahhh, it's downloading them =) I think
[11:50] <ChaosFan> AlexC: what you get now is called a "working copy" ;)
[11:51] <daurnimator> hey all
[11:51] <daurnimator> how do i install lirc?
[11:51] <daurnimator> i've tried about 6 different aprroaches
[11:51] <daurnimator> but they all end up at an ubuntu specific problem
[11:51] <eric_1> meta... thanks... the installation did not atopped
[11:51] <eric_1> ;)
[11:51] <daurnimator> nost common being https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/lirc/+bug/28941
[11:51] <daurnimator> *most
[11:51] <AlexC> ChaosFan, cool =)
[11:52] <AlexC> thanks,
[11:52] <daurnimator> - how can i get lirc to work/compile
[11:52] <ChaosFan> AlexC: welcome ;)
[11:54] <richard__> how do i uninstall a NON apt-get installed file with no unistall script?
[11:54] <bjohag> just so strange that it works with the CD but not from the hard drive ..
[11:54] <AlexC> Whens Edgy released again? October?
[11:55] <richard__> im trying to uninstall Azureus
[11:55] <narasim_7> Is there a firewall software like Zonealarm for ubuntu?
[11:55] <richard__> blackdown version
[11:55] <richard__> narasim ... Firestarter
[11:55] <Ramunas> narasim_7: there is "firestarter"
[11:55] <MetaMorfoziS> eric_1:no, dist-upgrade not needed
[11:56] <MetaMorfoziS> apt-get update
[11:56] <MetaMorfoziS> and apt-get upgrade
[11:56] <narasim_7> richard__: firestarteR is ok but I am asking about an application layer firewall
[11:56] <MetaMorfoziS> andor apt-get -f install
[11:56] <mtholdenss> hey when i first do the cube transition for the first time when i start up ubuntu, it half shows the animation but then changes to the next workstation then i try again and its fine, it jitters for the first time, anyone heard of that, it could be xgl runing slow or something...
[11:56] <mtholdenss> what metamofozis?
[11:56] <narasim_7> richard__: Ramunas :by which I can allow or deny applications..
[11:57] <ookami> how can i check if double buffer extensions are working properly?
[11:57] <pingu> I don't think there is such a thing narasim_7.
[11:57] <eric_1> when the kde installation finished... what else will i do to make it run on the next reboot??
[11:57] <narasim_7> pingu: thanks
[11:57] <eric_1> anyone?
[11:57] <daurnimator> any1?
[11:58] <ChaosFan> eric_1: you need to change the session at the gdm login screen to kde
[11:58] <ChaosFan> eric_1: you don't need to reboot, just log out of gnome
[11:58] <richard__> it is an interesting question .... can you install windows programs in wine or crossover office etc and disable there ability to communicate over the net
[11:59] <ChaosFan> richard__: you can disable wine to communicate over the net, that way nothing running in wine can
[11:59] <richard__> nice
[11:59] <eric_1> is that all ChaosFan bro?
[11:59] <ChaosFan> eric_1: should be ;)
[11:59] <eric_1> salamat
[11:59] <richard__> can you run office on wine?
[11:59] <richard__> MS
[11:59] <ChaosFan> richard__: i never tried
[12:00] <clem-vangelis> hi all
[12:00] <clem-vangelis> anybody know what is the best neogeo emulator ? gngeo or xmame ?
[12:00] <eric_1> ChaosFan, for example, i am running Compiz+XGL on Gnome, if i installed the KDE, will the Compiz+XGL automatically run?
[12:00] <eric_1> ;)
[12:01] <daurnimator> gngeo is nice
[12:01] <daurnimator> now... can any1 solve my problem?
[12:02] <daurnimator> and, i know that name from somewhere... (clem-vangelis)
[12:02] <clem-vangelis> daurminator from archopen ?
[12:02] <ChaosFan> eric_1: dunno, i've got nothing to do with compiz/xgl, but there's #ubuntu-xgl for this
[12:02] <daurnimator> yeah
[12:02] <daurnimator> that'll be it
[12:02] <clem-vangelis> kk :D
[12:03] <don> hello
[12:03] <eric_1> oh thanks ChaosFan, i dont knw there's also a Channel for that stuff. thanks
[12:03] <eric_1> ;)
[12:04] <|thunder> Edgy Eft, Knot 2,  this is not edgy final is it ?
[12:04] <don> i need help for my displaye settings. I can't set the refresh rate more than 60Hz
[12:04] <don> I have REadeon 9550
[12:04] <TEN> There's a flaw in module dvb-ttpci: in dmesg it claims not to find dvb-ttpci-01.fw in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware (where it is on Debian), but in Xubuntu 6.06.1 at least, it actually tries to load from /lib/firmware/2* (2* = kernel version). I'm new to this flavor of Linux, so no idea where to submit the error... maybe someone can pick this up to end one bit of confusion ;-)
[12:04] <eric_1> ChaosFan bro, i set the gdm as default on my kde installation.. how can i change the default to kdm??
[12:05] <ChaosFan> eric_1: you need to have kdm installed and sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm or sudo dkpg-reconfigure kdm, thats your choice
[12:05] <eric_1> thats the command to set the default, whether its gdm or kdm??
[12:06] <clem-vangelis> strange 'cause i have a 9550 and no problem with that
[12:06] <clem-vangelis> install fglrx drivers
[12:06] <don> i did that
[12:06] <AsadR> why does it keep trying to install postfix when i install mutt or mailx ?
[12:06] <ChaosFan> eric_1: gdm and kdm are both display managers. which one you reconfigure is a matter of taste, but it will give you the opportunity to choose the default one when multiple display managers are installed
[12:07] <eric_1> ok. ;) thanks
[12:07] <eric_1> be right back, i'll try to run the kde
[12:07] <eric_1> :)
[12:08] <clem-vangelis> you try to edit xorg.conf ?
[12:08] <AsadR> Anyone know why postfix is a dependancy for mutt and mailx???
[12:08] <don> ok i'll do that thanks
[12:08] <santa99> n #amarok
[12:09] <selinuxium> hi all, i have a folder with 33533 fonts in it. Is there a decent font viewer I can use to browse it?
[12:09] <lesshaste> I am mystified by copy and paste :) When I select something from acroread I can paste it to the command line using the middle button but when I paste to emacs in the same way I get completely different text...
[12:09] <lesshaste> any ideas what is going on?
[12:12] <don> videocard bus identifier ????
[12:12] <don> PCI:1:0:0
[12:12] <don> is this right
[12:13] <Morrowyn> yup
[12:13] <don> mine is on AGP
[12:13] <Morrowyn> you can do :  scanpci i think
[12:13] <Morrowyn> which will give you the id in hex
[12:13] <Morrowyn> but pci:1:0:0 is the main bus
[12:13] <Raskall> xubuntu is damn good for my laptop.
[12:13] <Morrowyn> for either pcie oragp
[12:13] <don> ok
[12:15] <Raskall> :) and the xfce-custom in xubuntu is excellent. wouldn't have known it was xfce if I didn't know. :)
[12:15] <richard__> how do i sudo delete a folder in opt
[12:16] <Raskall> I doubt I'll ever go back to gnome no matter how powerful my pc is
[12:16] <American-Tech> How to I get 3d acceleration for ati card
[12:16] <don> should i "Use kernel framebuffer device interface? "
[12:16] <|thunder> why, whats wrong with gnome ? suits me
[12:17] <don> on "Configuring xserver-xorg"
[12:17] <kingdong> nothings wrong with it but people have preferences
[12:18] <kingdong> some people think any gui at all is superfluous, hehe
[12:18] <lierre> hi all
[12:18] <kaspar> eng or de channel?
[12:18] <|thunder>  eng
[12:18] <lierre> i've a ubuntu installed on a macbook
[12:18] <clem-vangelis> what is your card american-tech ?
[12:18] <clem-vangelis> video card
[12:18] <lierre> but the wifi doesn't works
[12:19] <lierre> i've installed the network manager but it doesn't show any wifi option
[12:19] <lierre> could anyone tell me why?
[12:19] <American-Tech> ati all wonder 9700
[12:19] <kaspar> how to install something im all new to linux and im used to setup files
[12:19] <clem-vangelis> so u have to use fglrx i think no ?
[12:20] <Ramunas> kaspar: you're on ubuntu right?
[12:20] <kaspar> i donwnloaded a flashplayer update for mozilla
[12:20] <kaspar> yes
[12:20] <kaspar> and now how to install it
[12:20] <Ramunas> kaspar: Applications>add/remove apps
[12:21] <ompaul> !flash > kaspar
[12:22] <ompaul> kaspar, have a look at the document the bot sent you
[12:22] <lierre> can someone help me out with the wifi? :'(
[12:22] <kaspar> thx
[12:22] <kaspar> how is the command in the editor to install
[12:23] <holycow_> kaspar, please don't download things like you do in windows
[12:23] <holycow_> not for start
[12:23] <holycow_> kaspar, you want to start off using the repositories first
[12:23] <holycow_> let ubuntu manage all your software for your
[12:23] <kaspar> what are the repositories?#
[12:24] <holycow_> later you can learn the difference between different package types and what your options are
[12:24] <holycow_> !repositories
[12:24] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[12:24] <trapdoor> kaspar: read the wiki
[12:24] <holycow_> kaspar, i suppose the first thing that newbs should know is that everything you learned on windows is wrong
[12:25] <kaspar> :P
[12:26] <pingu> holycow_: that was a really silly statement :(
[12:26] <holycow_> not at all
[12:26] <holycow_> its simply true
[12:27] <eric_1> theres no one answering my query on ubuntu-xgl :9
[12:27] <eric_1> :(
[12:27] <Ramunas> how do I make mplayer my default video player instead of totem?
[12:27] <holycow_> eric_1, xgl is not officially supported, expect latent responses to that topic
[12:27] <seraphim> Ramunas: you have to set it for every filetype
[12:27] <holycow_> xgl is also very alpha/beta software, its hard to support something in flux
[12:27] <seraphim> Ramunas: right-klick a file, properties, open with
[12:28] <compengi> Lathiat are you familiar with shell-server?
[12:28] <American-Tech> ati 9700 card how to i install 3d acceleration?
[12:29] <seraphim> !ati
[12:29] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:30] <Huh1> hey. how comes ubuntu won't execute commands that I put in /etc/cron.hourly/ (or cron.daily, doesn't matter)?
[12:31] <mart> anyone able to help with an API mismatch error that stops xserver working?
[12:32] <mart> this is after installing the new nvidia drivers
[12:32] <narasim_7> is there a way in synaptic by which I can hide older versions from being displayed?
[12:32] <holycow_> mart, did you use the nvidia installer or you got them from some repo?
[12:32] <holycow_> sounds like you are talking about edgy?
[12:32] <mart> i used the download from nvidia.com
[12:32] <mart> i --purged the nvida-glx
[12:33] <mart> then installed the drivers
[12:33] <narasim_7> holycow:is there a way in synaptic by which I can hide older versions from being displayed?
[12:33] <holycow_> mart, yeah we can't really help with nvidia installer
[12:33] <mart> there was a few errors about not having xorg-dev
[12:33] <narasim_7> holycow_: is there a way in synaptic by which I can hide older versions from being displayed?
[12:33] <mart> bugger
[12:33] <mart> the installer actually works fine now
[12:33] <holycow_> their installer bypasses the system and its hard to really have a clue what latest thing they did, i would wait for official repo appearence of said driver
[12:33] <Huh1> Can anyone help me? Commands that I put in /etc/cron.daily (or hourly) just won't be executed!
[12:34] <mart> right
[12:34] <DJAdmiral> hello people!
[12:34] <mart> so is the nvidia-glx just the latest drive stored in the repo?
[12:34] <lierre> is there someone who knows about network manager?
[12:34] <|thunder> somegeek, has edgy hit final or not ?
[12:34] <|thunder> erie, *so* i meant
[12:34] <holycow_> narasim_7, older versions of what? synaptic only shows latest versions.  there are no dupes as far as i know
[12:34] <|thunder> damn it, auto complete is a nusince
[12:35] <holycow_> mart, by latest, the latest at the time of release yes.  it may not be the latest currently available
[12:35] <compengi> lierre if you need help in networking issue join ##network
[12:35] <mart> understood
[12:35] <lierre> ok thx compengi
[12:35] <mart> one last thing
[12:35] <compengi> sorry ##networking
[12:35] <DJAdmiral> |thunder: edgy eft releases in either December or January next year
[12:36] <stev> Hey
[12:36] <holycow_> mart, generally the advice to users is to just kinda hang in there for a bit.  the releases are 6 months apart, wanting to live on the bleeding edge mostly complicates your life so ... if anyone feels the urge just note to expect th eunexpected from things not properly tested
[12:36] <DJAdmiral> hey stev
[12:36] <|thunder> ahh, sweet, thanks, Im egar to get new kernel and gnome
[12:36] <lierre> ah yes i think so too
[12:36] <compengi> lierre join ##networking not network :D
[12:36] <xChatbeRRy> g'day
[12:36] <lierre> thx compengi
[12:36] <mart> ahh no, im not too bothered about having the best, im having stuttery graphics on some games
[12:36] <compengi> np lierre
[12:36] <mart> so thought id update
[12:36] <mart> no worries though
[12:37] <DJAdmiral> |thunder: Unless you really know how to fix your computer in any situation and as long as you also know what you're really doing and what's happening, stick with a stable Dapper release
[12:37] <mart> thanks for the info
[12:37] <holycow_> mart, no worries, just some friendly advice from those that have been around the block
[12:37] <holycow_> mart, chances are if you are having stuttering graphics there might be other issues ...
[12:38] <mart> i knew i shouldnt have tried, last time i tried installing ubunto i had this teouble :P
[12:38] <mart> yay... more issues!
[12:38] <mart> im so lucky :)
[12:38] <holycow_> typically whatever drivers are available currently, if they are for nvidia you won't gain a whole lot with a small incrremental upgrade
[12:38] <holycow_> if your having problems usually its an ingame setting or some hardware issue not accounted for (not enough ram perhaps, etc)
[12:39] <holycow_> mart, why are you so worried about latest drivers on ubuntu?
[12:39] <DJAdmiral> mart: best thing you can do with graphics at the mo is just upgrade ram and video card. And make sure you can find a good stable linux driver for X or at least an open source driver
[12:39] <holycow_> only spazes on windows worry about the latest increment ... and they never actually get the performance boost they claim
[12:39] <mart> i do, 1gig ram and a 7800gt
[12:39] <holycow_> cool
[12:39] <DJAdmiral> mart: how much vram does that have then?
[12:39] <holycow_> so why worry about it on linux? where are you running into a prob?
[12:39] <mart> vram...
[12:39] <AsadR> is there any command line utility that puts stdin into gnome's clipboard as text?
[12:40] <mart> where would i find that?
[12:40] <DJAdmiral> mart: Video RAM
[12:40] <mart> ah
[12:40] <holycow_> how much memory does your video card have
[12:40] <mart> my bad :P
[12:40] <mart> 256
[12:40] <DJAdmiral> mart: 256megs, good number
[12:40] <holycow_> that should be fine
[12:40] <mart> i built the pc, its a decent spec
[12:40] <DJAdmiral> mart: in this case you need to modify your xorg.conf file maybe
[12:40] <mart> right
[12:41] <holycow_> DJAdmiral, heh, good call
[12:41] <mart> know a decent site with what an xorg.config is?
[12:41] <mart> lol
[12:41] <holycow_> he may not have enabled the drivers in xorg
[12:41] <holycow_> infact
[12:41] <mart> i enabled them there i think
[12:41] <DJAdmiral> mart: or you can use VMWare Server or QEMU+KQEMU and run windoze in a virtual PC
[12:41] <holycow_> i bet something got hosed when the nvidia installer replaced his xorg
[12:41] <mart> thats what i though
[12:42] <mart> is it possible to download the standard xorg file?
[12:42] <DJAdmiral> mart: and play whatever games you want via there. or go with *shudder* DUAL BOOT!
[12:42] <mart> dual booting now :P
[12:42] <mart> ive only had ubuntu for a day.... :P
[12:42] <DJAdmiral> mart: if there was a 'standard' xorg.conf file you're toast
[12:42] <DJAdmiral> mart: no computer would work lol
[12:42] <mart> yay
[12:42] <mart> fair enough
[12:42] <Knelix> Does anyone know the difference between SDL and SVGA versions of xmame?
[12:43] <holycow_> mart, kindly allow me to give you the first tutorial all windows users should get when trying out a real os
[12:43] <DJAdmiral> mart: care to pastebinify your xorg.conf file?
[12:43] <holycow_> forget everyting you learned on windows.  it's wrong.
[12:43] <holycow_> :)
[12:43] <mart> sure
[12:43] <eric_1> question from a newbie: how to install theme on kde??
[12:43] <calistos_28> hi!. I've installed Google Earth through automatix. However when I launch the program, Google Earth only shows the splash screen and then closes. Any idea about how to use Google Earth on Ubuntu 6.06?
[12:43] <Rookie-> how did ppl learn about windows?
[12:43] <grigora> how do I install GNOME on my laptop? one of my machines automatically goes into X and asks for a username password, but this other one just takes you to the command prompt. Thanks
[12:44] <eric_1> i find tutorials stating kdm folder but i cant find it
[12:44] <mart> okey, how do i paste without spamming everyone?
[12:44] <DJAdmiral> Knelix: AFAIK SDL version is based on the SDL drivers, and SVGA is to be used if SDL doesn't work, in which case a slightly modified xorg.conf file should help you out. use SDL first
[12:44] <holycow_> Rookie-, most people learned it by smacking their heads against the walls
[12:44] <DJAdmiral> mart: paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[12:44] <compengi> Rookie- you don't need to learn windows, dum people can know how to work on it
[12:44] <holycow_> you kinda forget that after you build up a nice forehead calous
[12:44] <Knelix> SDL first. Okay, thanks, DJAdmiral.
[12:44] <DJAdmiral> calistos_28: You've doomed your PC.
[12:44] <holycow_> compengi, thats actually not true.  its hard to believe but if you use linux exclusively for a LONG time, going back to windows is HARD
[12:44] <DJAdmiral> Knelix: no porblem
[12:45] <compengi> Rookie- you only need to know how to use mouse for clicking next next and finish
[12:45] <Knelix> ;)
[12:45] <rorian> Gotta feel sorry for people using Windows.. They get virii and trojans while we get Compiz and Xgl
[12:45] <DJAdmiral> Knelix: problem*
[12:45] <grigora> anyone knows to start using Gnome? which modules to install
[12:45] <eric_1> ChaosFan, how can i install kde themes???
[12:45] <DJAdmiral> rorian: damn straight :P
[12:45] <mart> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22421
[12:45] <calistos_28> DJAdmiral: seriously, do you know what's going on? will i need to reinstall Google Earth or Ubuntu can't handle it?
[12:45] <holycow_> windows ui after a while just makes no sense, its all hocus pocus ... there is no seeming logic or rhyme to it
[12:46] <ChaosFan> eric_1: doesn't know about kde/kdm
[12:46] <grigora> why won't my X start automatically after the upgrade? any ideas?
[12:46] <holycow_> thats not to say its bad, its just to say you haveto learn and understand it first before you can really kinda get going in it
[12:46] <DJAdmiral> calistos_28: Installing software through Automatix is considered suicide
[12:46] <eric_1> ok chaos thanks anyways
[12:46] <eric_1> ;)
[12:46] <mart> get my paste?
[12:46] <DJAdmiral> calistos_28: What you should have done is downloaded and installed Google Earth from Google's website itself
[12:46] <calistos_28> DJAdmiral: actually a lot of people recommended me this way of installation
[12:46] <DJAdmiral> mart: link please
[12:46] <mart> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22421
[12:46] <DJAdmiral> calistos_28: they were wrong.
[12:46] <holycow_> grigora, lots of reasons.  misconfiguration, driver issue, software issue ... do you know what xorg error you get?
[12:47] <selinuxium> #gnewsense
[12:47] <holycow_> calistos_28, what do you mean reinstall? where did you install it from?
[12:47] <calistos_28> DJAdmiral: oks, it seems that maybe you have reason
[12:47] <calistos_28> Automatix sometimes fails
[12:47] <DJAdmiral> holycow_: he did it through Automatix
[12:47] <holycow_> calistos_28, you do know you can just download the binary tar.gz file from google and extract it, and double click an drun it from the dir right?
[12:47] <holycow_> no installation necessary
[12:47] <holycow_> oh god
[12:47] <holycow_> calistos_28, reformat your hd and start with a clean system
[12:47] <holycow_> :)
[12:47] <holycow_> !automatix
[12:47] <ubotu> Automatix is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. For help with and discussion of automatix please join #automatix.
[12:48] <DJAdmiral> mart: I'll take a look at your file now
[12:48] <calistos_28> holycow_: OMG
[12:48] <holycow_> automatix is designed by someone that doesn't have a clue unfortunately.
[12:48] <mart> many thanks
[12:48] <calistos_28> I'll try to install it manually
[12:48] <mart> easyubuntu was better
[12:48] <calistos_28> thank you guys!!
[12:48] <holycow_> calistos_28, ubuntu installs are super easy, reinstallation will make sure you have a clean system
[12:48] <holycow_> and stay away from automatix pls :)
[12:49] <DJAdmiral> mart: hmm, I think I see something you can work with.
[12:50] <DJAdmiral> mart: line 114? Driver "nvidia"?
[12:50] <KomiaPoika> hi
[12:50] <holycow_> DJAdmiral, i think you got it
[12:50] <holycow_> :) nice catch
[12:50] <calistos_28> holycow_: if i uninstall Google Earth, it'd be the same as if I had a clean system or I'll have some uninstalled libraries floating around the system?
[12:50] <KomiaPoika> i'm installing kubuntu on my laptop, anyone minds to babysit me a little?
[12:50] <mart> yes
[12:50] <holycow_> calistos_28, not at all
[12:50] <mart> i read a walkthough that told me to add that
[12:50] <DJAdmiral> holycow_: Thanks. I've only created my own linux distro and worked with linux for a year and i know more about it than windoze now :-P
[12:50] <KomiaPoika> when partitioning the hard disk manually, what am i supposed to enter in "label" fields? mount points?
[12:51] <holycow_> automatix does god knows what, its created by someone that doesn't have remotely a clue.  it could have made total changes to your system that you don't know about
[12:51] <holycow_> :/
[12:51] <mart> what would normally be there?
[12:51] <mart> just "nv"
[12:51] <DJAdmiral> calistos_28: plus it messes up your sources.list file. It means bad juju!
[12:51] <mart> ?
[12:51] <holycow_> mart, correct
[12:51] <mart> ah
[12:51] <calistos_28> holycow_: it seems pretty dangerous
[12:51] <holycow_> mart, otherwise your NOT using 3d acceleration
[12:51] <holycow_> only shitty 2d acceleration
[12:51] <mart> i think that sounds right
[12:51] <holycow_> thats why your getting lag
[12:51] <schlumpf> the macromedia flashplayer insatller cant install on a 64Bit... what to do?
[12:52] <DJAdmiral> mart: or you could also try "vesa" if that doesn't work.
[12:52] <calistos_28> DJAdmiral: the source.lists file is not a problem since it only holds 4 respositories
[12:52] <DJAdmiral> schumplf: search the wiki?
[12:52] <mart> i will try both of those
[12:52] <mart> back soon...
[12:52] <DJAdmiral> calistos_28: but it changes the URLS of those repos like nutsy
[12:52] <holycow_> calistos_28, i wouldn't say they strike me as malicious but automatix simply does the worst things like completely bypass your packaging system
[12:52] <DJAdmiral> calistos_28: more like nazi than nutsy
[12:52] <holycow_> had they done what easyubuntu did, i wouldn't really mention reinstalling
[12:53] <holycow_> schlumpf, there is no 64 bit flash
[12:53] <holycow_> for any platform, even windows
[12:53] <DJAdmiral> KomiaPoika: maybe someone over at #kubuntu could help you out?
[12:53] <calistos_28> thank you for the info ;)
[12:53] <DJAdmiral> calistos_28: anytime.
[12:53] <DJAdmiral> calistos_28: If i'm not here then at least 800 other people are.
[12:55] <holycow_> heh
[12:55] <KomiaPoika> ok
[12:55] <holycow_> calistos_28, no biggie.  only meant as a friendly suggestion. :)
[12:55] <DJAdmiral> holycow_: so how long has it been since you've been unplugged?
[12:55] <holycow_> at least 3 years
[12:56] <DJAdmiral> holycow_: whoa. i've been only at it for a little over a year.
[12:56] <holycow_> i have used flash about 3 times or so in that time but thats it
[12:56] <holycow_> i've used linux for a lot longer
[12:56] <holycow_> but i went cold turkey more than 3 years ago... don't remember exact amount of time
[12:56] <DJAdmiral> holycow_: have you ever created your own distro?
[12:56] <holycow_> everything runs on linux, i make sacrifices where i haveto
[12:57] <calistos_28> DJAdmiral: do you know how can i find the googleearth package in synaptic? I try to look for 'google', 'earth', 'googleearth' and nothing happens. Is that the result of what you were telling me about the bypass of synaptics?
[12:57] <holycow_> DJAdmiral, no need to, i'm a debian guy and thats been pretty much 'roll your own distro' by definition
[12:57] <kairu0> anyone recommend an openoffice base replaced (that is web based)?
[12:57] <holycow_> then ubuntu came along and did all the work for me
[12:57] <holycow_> DJAdmiral, i'm impressed you did your own, i wen part way through the linux from scratch stuff
[12:57] <DJAdmiral> kairu0: google is putting up this web office thingy.
[12:57] <holycow_> i still intend on doing it
[12:57] <holycow_> kairu0, google is your closest bet indeed
[12:57] <DJAdmiral> calistos_28: you won't find it in the repos
[12:58] <DJAdmiral> calistos_28: you will need to get it from google earth's website itself
[12:58] <DJAdmiral> calistos_28: Either the beta or the stable will have a linux version
[12:59] <DJAdmiral> holycow_: Thank you! :-D all Aamix can do at the moment though is just extract tarballs, bzip2 and gzip archives, and compile C and C++ code. Maybe one day I'll continue work on it. Maybe one day it'll have X
[12:59] <kairu0> DJAdmiral, this is sensitive info, so i want to keep it all on a lan segment
[12:59] <holycow_> calistos_28, you should be able to just dl it from google
[01:00] <holycow_> extract it, make sure the binary can be executable (right click/properties/permissions tab)
[01:00] <holycow_> and double click on the binary to run
[01:00] <DJAdmiral> kairu0: Your best bet is *shudder* micro$oft office live. you gotta pay for it though AND you need to have windoze ... -.-
[01:00] <calistos_28> holycow_ & DJAdmiral: thx I'll download it from google's site and install it on my own
[01:00] <holycow_> DJAdmiral, lets stick to things that DON'T use active x :)
[01:01] <DJAdmiral> kairu0: or you can blowfish encrypt your data.
[01:01] <DJAdmiral> kairu0: nobody till date has broken a secure 128 bit blowfish encryption
[01:01] <holycow_> calistos_28, you won't really be installing it, just extracting it.  you can put it wherever you want afterwards and just create a link to the binary exectuable
[01:01] <DJAdmiral> holycow_: hey he wanted something along those lines lol
[01:01] <DJAdmiral> calistos_28: there's no worry. the installer is pretty easy.
[01:02] <holycow_> he said oo, not mso :) *cough* potato potato
[01:02] <DJAdmiral> holycow_: potato potato? lol
[01:02] <DJAdmiral> holycow_: oooooh that song
[01:02] <DJAdmiral> holycow_: i say potato you say potato i say tomato you say tomato potato potato tomato tomato let's just get along.
[01:03] <holycow_> thar ya go
[01:03] <holycow_> >_>
[01:03] <DJAdmiral> holycow_: try saying that fast 439702749 times in a row
[01:03] <exs> Can I install knot 2 on my ubuntu dapper 6.06?.. Like nativly running it in a window, like vmware but for linux?
[01:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> exs, look at qmu
[01:04] <DJAdmiral> holycow_: lol, my mom caught me singing that song super fast and wondered if I was drunk xD
[01:04] <DJAdmiral> what exactly is knot 2?
[01:04] <holycow_> heh
[01:04] <Flannel> DJAdmiral: its second alpha of Edgy (like Dapper's Flights)
[01:04] <Xappe> exs, you can run it in vmware for linux
[01:04] <exs> Kamping_Kaiser:  you mean qemu?
[01:05] <DJAdmiral> Flannel: thanks
[01:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> exs, yes
[01:05] <exs> Xappe:  is it easy to use in vmware?
[01:09] <DJAdmiral> meh. Once my math and lit exams are over I'm off to make Aamix boot up without using a virtual kernel filesystem :P
[01:09] <Xappe> exs: the only experience of vmware I have is installing windows with vmware player (and images prepared with qemu)
[01:09] <exs> Xappe:  yeah me too
[01:10] <Xappe> but running edgy should not be any different
[01:10] <Xappe> I guess
[01:11] <calistos_28> If i want to be able to see hidden folders such as .aMule or .googleEarth, what do I have to do?
[01:11] <gnomefreak> calistos_28: ctrl+h or in view
[01:12] <Xappe> or ls -a
[01:12] <vbhanu> I have mounted my ipod with async,nodev,nosuid,user,rw,noauto as options, when i open it with amarok i get access denied, please tell me where i could be wrong
[01:13] <calistos_28> gnomefreak: thx!!
[01:13] <gnomefreak> calistos_28: yw
[01:13] <vbhanu> in fact ls -l on /mnt/ipod shows that group and others have just r permission, not even x!
[01:13] <jak> Hi. Is there a site like apt-get.org that will search for a package in other ubuntu repositories?
[01:14] <Rookie-> test it jak
[01:14] <holycow_> jak, no there isn't
[01:14] <gnomefreak> jak: packages.ubuntu.com
[01:14] <holycow_> jak, and there never will be
[01:14] <holycow_> jak, but you can expect for more and more software companies to offer ubuntu / debian debs on their sites
[01:14] <holycow_> brother offers deb drivers, opera deb installer, etc.
[01:15] <holycow_> as with all software downloaded off the net, you should understand your trust relationship with the vendor
[01:15] <gnomefreak> jak: also most of the time if you put the repo in address bar it will show you whats in it
[01:16] <holycow_> the repos are easy to trust, they are vetted by the whole community, but independendent vendors ... thats a whole other ball of waxs
[01:16] <holycow_> wax even
[01:16] <Rookie-> its not good if one dist will be favorised by the company's ...
[01:16] <jak> yeah
[01:16] <holycow_> distros at this point in time are irrelevant
[01:16] <Rookie-> ohh? how so ?
[01:16] <holycow_> as far as vendors are concerned, packaging for all distros is super easy
[01:16] <jak> Is it a bad idea to include debian unstable packages in /etc/apt/sources.list on an ubuntu distro?
[01:17] <gnomefreak> Rookie-: too many distros for comapnies to keep up with thats why most packages are in tarballs
[01:17] <bbrazil> jak: yes
[01:17] <holycow_> distros only matter to their users, packaging is is so easy that its not an issue beyond the vendor just being too lazy
[01:17] <Rookie-> hehe, try to find the same package for slackware for one example ;)
[01:17] <holycow_> no one uses slack >_>
[01:17] <holycow_> hehe
[01:17] <Rookie-> rofl
[01:17] <holycow_> j/k!
[01:17] <Rookie-> i do
[01:17] <Rookie-> waiting for 11 now .... rc3 out now for 3 weeks
[01:18] <holycow_> Rookie-, just because a package doesn't exist doesn't mean it can't be done
[01:18] <Rookie-> right, thats what i mean ....
[01:18] <gnomefreak> holycow_: its a big deal to package for different distros that means building this build that build this again and so on
[01:18] <holycow_> not really, most apps can be NICELY writtent in cross platform ways that don't require that
[01:18] <gnomefreak> its alot of man hours along with everything else
[01:19] <gnomefreak> hence tarballs
[01:19] <holycow_> there are some categories that might require dealing with spaghetti apis but mostly i think it can be done
[01:19] <Rookie-> thats why sourceforge can exist ;)
[01:19] <holycow_> gnomefreak, its only a lot of man hours if one builds for the complexity i think
[01:20] <holycow_> or your app has some requirements that put you in that position
[01:20] <Mouldy> hey all, rhythmbox just crashed, now when i try to run it just crashes. Terminal says "..Unable to start mDNS browsing...Total Unfree 0 bytes cnt 0 [(nil),0] ...Segmentation fault. Anybody have any ideas what's up with it?
[01:21] !lilo:*! website change.... 'growth.shtml' moved to 'history.shtml' and retitled "History and Growth"; tweaked a bit for accuracy and a tiny bit of detail added
[01:21] <holycow_> Mouldy, try logging out and logging back in, check for runaways rhythmbox processes, worst case scenario delete the .rhythmbox settings file and restart
[01:21] <holycow_> couple of ideas
[01:21] <gnomefreak> holycow_: if building apps for debian and rh werent that hard they would do .debs and .rpms from most companies instead of tarballing most apps (they would also have 64 bit apps
[01:21] <Mouldy> holycow_, thanks, I've tried killing all r-box processes, I'll try logging out & back in now, brb
[01:21] <holycow_> gnomefreak, lots of companies do
[01:22] <holycow_> mostly its just lazyness
[01:22] <holycow_> marketing departments look at rh and novel and go *ping* okay thats what we are targeting, they can talk to devs through channels they understand at those companies
[01:22] <holycow_> you can't do that with slack, gentoo or debian
[01:22] <gnomefreak> holycow_: not really or there would be apps like flash for 64bit and ppc
[01:22] <Mouldy> holycow_, no luck rebooting, guess I have to delete .rhythmbox then. Where is it?
[01:23] <holycow_> software development is not always about purely technical issues ... there is a whole lot of politicing as well
[01:23] <holycow_> gnomefreak, flash is a bad example
[01:23] <holycow_> flash spans A LOT OF SUBSYSTEMS
[01:23] <holycow_> it has to talk to a whole bunch of crap, it has some very specific requirements, particularly with choosing what apis to support
[01:23] <holycow_> that will be a pretty good example of an app that requires a lot of work
[01:23] <gnomefreak> flash is a good example since its one of the most desired app for 64 and ppc
[01:23] <holycow_> most apps arent' like that
[01:24] <holycow_> take a look at google earth
[01:24] <holycow_> download tarball, extract, run
[01:24] <holycow_> or picassa
[01:24] <gnomefreak> google earth is nothing (code wise)
[01:24] <holycow_> or any number of thousands of apps already available
[01:24] <holycow_> no flash is not a good example
[01:24] <holycow_> most apps can be coded ina cross platform way so that you don't really haveto do that much work
[01:24] <gnomefreak> holycow_: point its a tarball not a deb or rpm
[01:25] <gnomefreak> anyone can build a tarball
[01:25] <holycow_> flash falls into the category of apps that has the technical requirements that forces it to be a lot of work
[01:25] <holycow_> gnomefreak, no point is rpm or deb is super easy to determine
[01:25] <holycow_> tar is retarded
[01:25] <jak> Is it OK to mix edgy packages with dapper?
[01:25] <holycow_> jak, basically no
[01:25] <neutrinomass> what commandline option do I have to pass to the kernel to stop it from actually halting the machine (i.e.  to stop at the "System Halted" message )
[01:25] <gnomefreak> as long as the tar has the config script or run script for differrent types of platforms it can be installed on those
[01:26] <neutrinomass> jak: Generally, no.
[01:26] <holycow_> jak, you can get away with things that have no requirements for large dependency pullins
[01:26] <gnomefreak> jak: no
[01:26] <holycow_> gnomefreak, thats wrong
[01:26] <gnomefreak> jak: worst idea you can have
[01:26] <holycow_> gnomefreak, anything that bypasses the distro packagae manger is wrong
[01:26] !lilo:*! (miscellaneous wording changes completed)
[01:26] <holycow_> packaging is super easy
[01:26] <holycow_> creating applications is the hard part
[01:26] <holycow_> make the app cross platform at the beginning, packagins is a trivial issue
[01:26] <gnomefreak> holycow_: create comes before packaging
[01:27] <jak> ok. So is edgy basically equivalent to debian unstable then in terms of guarantees
[01:27] <ompaul> holycow_, there are times when it needs to be done
[01:27] <holycow_> screw up the app by making it dependent on some specific architecture that makes it non portagble, and once again packaging is a non issue
[01:27] <jak> I mean does edgy basically work, but no guarantees
[01:27] <Flannel> jak: no.  Edgy is alpha right now.  Once it's released, it will be fully supported, etc
[01:27] <neutrinomass> jak: Edgy has no guarantees so I imagine it's something like experimental ;)
[01:27] <gnomefreak> holycow_: still have to build it more than once = lots of man hours
[01:27] <holycow_> ompaul, yep agreeed
[01:27] <gnomefreak> jak: no worse
[01:27] <jak> I see, thanks
[01:27] <Mouldy> holycow_, where is this .rhythmbox file you were talking about? I can't find it anywhere.
[01:27] <neutrinomass> jak: It doesn't *always* work. Stuff breaks. Less stuff breaks during the end of the development cycle though ....
[01:27] <holycow_> gnomefreak, you don't haveto build anything, automate it.  why are you doing it manually?
[01:28] <holycow_> Mouldy, in your home dir
[01:28] <gnomefreak> jak: basiclly works atm for some people may not work tomorrow
[01:28] <joachim-n> I though file roller suported 7zip files? it says 'Archive type not supported'
[01:28] <Mouldy> holycow_, it's not :\
[01:28] <neutrinomass> !7zip
[01:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 7zip - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:28] <gnomefreak> holycow_: not everyone uses automated packaging
[01:28] <ompaul> am I in ubuntu+1 ?
[01:28] <gnomefreak> no
[01:28] <holycow_> joachim-n, apt-cache search 7zip
[01:28] <neutrinomass> joachim-n: it does - there's some other package you have to install though
[01:29] <gnomefreak> ompaul: one over to the right
[01:29] <joachim-n> so it doesn't support it out of the box?
[01:29] <hightowe1> I'm encountering massive messages like GdkPixbuf-CRITICAL **: gdk_pixbuf_get_height: assertion `pixbuf != NULL' failed
[01:29] <hightowe1> Any hints?
[01:29] <neutrinomass> joachim-n: Legal issues probably?
[01:29] <holycow_> gnomefreak, oh absolutely, i agree tar and a shell installer is a universal hack
[01:29] <joachim-n> crap. I just made a change in the manual to say it does
[01:29] <neutrinomass> hightowe1: Heh :D And no gtk apps start on kubuntu, upgraded from breezy ?
[01:30] <jak> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule says that edgy might be released on October 26th. historically, have these estimates been accurate?
[01:30] <ragnar> i have a problem, i boot, every thing goes normally, i sign in (username and password correct) but the screen goes blank and the sign in screen comes again.
[01:30] <ragnar> what can i do?
[01:30] <neutrinomass> jak: #ubuntu+1 is the place for edgy... and yes, give or take a day they are accurate
[01:30] <jak> neutrinomass, thanks
[01:30] <hightowe1> neutrinomass: that's a clean  6.06 kubuntu installation
[01:31] <gnomefreak> jak: most of time yes dapper was posponed 6 weeks so edgy might be (we are trying for that date and looking pretty good right now
[01:31] <neutrinomass> hightowe1: Hm... did you keep your old /home ?
[01:31] <hightowe1> neutrinomass: yes, i did
[01:31] <lerch> Hello, can someone please point me to where I can find help using mutella?
[01:31] <neutrinomass> hightowe1: Excellent. I was looking for somebody with this problem. It's a known issue, and I don't remember *exactly* the fix but I'll try my best
[01:31] <holycow_> i think the community would cut ubuntu some slack for being late :)
[01:32] <ragnar> anyone knows how i can restore gnome _
[01:32] <gnomefreak> holycow_: that would be a dream
[01:32] <holycow_> rage, what do you mean restore?
[01:32] <ragnar> i have a problem, i boot, every thing goes normally, i sign in (username and password correct) but the screen goes blank and the sign in screen comes again
[01:32] <ompaul> ragnar, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[01:32] <holycow_> gnomefreak, :) thats what we get for making it easy for windows users to use linux
[01:32] <holycow_> heh
[01:32] <jak> gnomefreak, thanks
[01:32] <neutrinomass> hightowe1: Please pastebin the output of "ls -l .*"
[01:32] <gnomefreak> lol
[01:33] <ragnar> ompaul, thanks will try
[01:33] <holycow_> on the up side, you guys do a fantastic job, and i think canonical has an amazing opportunity to make money off of this thing
[01:33] <ompaul> ragnar, then in that case you have a different issue, >> sudo dpkg-reconfigure ubuntu-desktop << let us know
[01:33] <lerch> Can someone help me with mutella?
[01:33] <holycow_> so keeping up the schedule reinforces the 'professionalism' impression i guess :)
[01:33] <ompaul> !repeat
[01:33] <ubotu> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly, if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[01:34] <tuxtux> ciao
[01:34] <ompaul> !it
[01:34] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[01:34] <lerch> !patience
[01:34] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[01:34] <RudyValencia> What does "Buffer I/O error on device hda, logical block 39102336" mean? I'm installing Ubuntu 6.10 "Dapper" on an old Dell Celeron 600 and I'm getting this message.
[01:34] <hightowe1> neutrinomass: thanks for helping. can you narrow the "ls- l .*" for some directories? i've tonns of .* dirs ;)
[01:34] <lerch> Sorry.
[01:34] <cocos> hi im trying to install some things whit easyubuntu but i get the following msg "fix broken packages first" how can i find those broken packages?
[01:34] <neutrinomass> holycow_: You are free to help out as well ;) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu
[01:34] <ompaul> lerch, in the past you did not know now you do ;-)
[01:35] <tony_> nforce4 intergrated sound - crackling on mp3/ogg. Works fine under win xp. Has my soundcard been recognized incorrectly? where do i select alsa/oss?
[01:35] <lerch> It wont happen again :)
[01:35] <cocos> !broken
[01:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about broken - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:36] <holycow_> neutrinomass, :)
[01:36] <neutrinomass> hightowe1: Ok.... I'm not sure but you probably have to delete (hint: don't delete anything, I might be wrong - just rename): a directory beginning with .gtk or some .qt-gtk-engine or something similar ...
[01:36] <hightowe1> neutrinomass: ok, trying...
[01:37] <neutrinomass> hightowe1: Don't delete, rename, and remember its previous name :P
[01:38] <neutrinomass> Hobbsee: Do you know anything about this problem? It's a "no gtk apps start on kubuntu, after upgrading from breezy" (or if they keep the /home around ) .... there are tens of scattered bug reports around launchpad about this but all have been ignored
[01:38] <holycow_> cocos, open up synaptic, select custom filter on the bottom left hand side
[01:38] <ompaul> !info mutella
[01:38] <ubotu> mutella: Gnutella client with command line and http interface. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.4.5-5 (dapper), package size 368 kB, installed size 1304 kB
[01:39] <holycow_> should let you select 'broken' that will list broken packages
[01:39] <ompaul> lerch, do you know what universe is?
[01:39] <hightowe1> neutrinomass: problem solved! removed .gtkrc-2.0 and error is gone. THANKS!
[01:39] <cocos> holycow_: no output :(
[01:39] <neutrinomass> hightowe1: Excellent !
[01:40] <neutrinomass> hightowe1: Before you go, and you please open a bug on this ?
[01:40] <cocos> does anyone know how i can get this "Videos: Enable viewing videos embedded in webpages" whitout using easyubuntu?
[01:40] <midgetg0at> heya, anyone up yet?
[01:40] <holycow_> cocos, depends on what you want exactly
[01:40] <neutrinomass> hightowe1: "GTK+ apps don't work after upgrading from kubuntu breezy" or something like that, include the output of the gtk apps and mention how you fixed it
[01:40] <holycow_> cocos,  for google video or youtubue you just need flash
[01:41] <holycow_> cocos, for playing video you need:
[01:41] <holycow_> !restricted formats
[01:41] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:41] <midgetg0at> I've got some seemingly "stupid simple" issues....anyone care to give it a go?
[01:41] <cocos> holycow_: video and webcam from webpages (al already got flash)
[01:41] <ompaul> !anyone
[01:41] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[01:41] <holycow_> plus you need to remove totem-gstreamer, install totem-xine, then install the totem xine firefox plugin
[01:41] <midgetg0at> yes yes, you're right heh....
[01:41] <hightowe1> neutrinomass: sure, i'll do
[01:41] <neutrinomass> hightowe1: thanks a lot !
[01:41] <holycow_> cocos, for a lot of that you also need java, a lot of those webcams use java applets
[01:41] <midgetg0at> missing my "reboot" option from my shutdown menu (red button)...any idea how to get it back?
[01:42] <holycow_> java is under restricted formats i think
[01:42] <RudyValencia> What does "Buffer I/O error on device hda, logical block 39102336" mean? I'm installing Ubuntu 6.10 "Dapper" on an old Dell Celeron 600 and I'm getting this message.
[01:42] <cocos> holycow_: outch
[01:42] <Huh1> Can anyone help me? Commands that I put in /etc/cron.daily (or hourly) just won't be executed!
[01:42] <azathoth> !java
[01:42] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[01:42] <neutrinomass> RudyValencia: Badly burned CD or dirty lens
[01:42] <RudyValencia> oh
[01:42] <holycow_> cocos, as for broken packages, you can try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and see what errors come up and fix those and then go from there
[01:42] <holycow_> !broken
[01:42] <neutrinomass> RudyValencia: Try the "Verify CD for defects" option in the main menu ...
[01:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about broken - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:42] <RudyValencia> ok
[01:43] <RudyValencia> let's see what's up...
[01:43] <midgetg0at> how about.....I have dualview working correctly, only now i'd like to configure an alternate xorg.conf to be used when i want the desktop to "span" the two monitors....only i cant figureout how to set it up...anyone?
[01:43] <ompaul> Huh1, first off make sure your entry is correct (has the right amount of * in the right place), next off make sure you give enough of a path in/to a script etc
[01:44] <cocos> holycow_: thanks there where no errors quess it was just easyubuntu it self because i already installed some of there apps manually :)
[01:44] <holycow_> midgetg0at, are you using an nvidia dualhead card by chance?
[01:44] <holycow_> !easyubuntu
[01:44] <midgetg0at> yes, 7900 GTX 520
[01:44] <ubotu> EasyUbuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ ; for help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu.
[01:44] <ompaul> 9 out of 10 bots prefer to be run by smurf
[01:44] <cocos> holycow_: thanks the given links are great ill manage from here... thanks again
[01:44] <midgetg0at> i prefer automatix
[01:44] <holycow_> midgetg0at, i can send you my xorg file, i have dual monis using that nvidia dealie for doing it
[01:44] <holycow_> cocos, no worries at all
[01:44] <midgetg0at> holy, when you maximize a window....
[01:44] <holycow_> midgetg0at, please don't use automatix
[01:44] <midgetg0at> does it max to your desktop, or to your monitor?
[01:44] <midgetg0at> whats wrong w/ automatix?
[01:44] <holycow_> midgetg0at, if you are using automatix, just as a friend
[01:45] <holycow_> please REINSTALL your os
[01:45] <holycow_> automatix bypassess everything on your system and does its own thing
[01:45] <midgetg0at> nice nice
[01:45] <holycow_> you have no idea what its doing really
[01:45] <midgetg0at> easy ubuntu leaves a lot to be desired thou - skimpy selection.
[01:45] <holycow_> its just done by a clueby ... it wouldnt' be hard for him/them to do easyubuntu
[01:45] <holycow_> and make it play nice
[01:45] <neutrinomass> ompaul: Shouldn't the easyubuntu factoid be modified to say something scarier? Such as "EasyUbuntu may very well break your system and is not recommended" ?
[01:45] <holycow_> yeah ... just my opinion midgetg0at
[01:45] <ompaul> midgetg0at, work away, when it breaks take your issues to #automatix, out logs show it has broken systems on a regular basis, almost bringing the reliablity of windows to Linux
[01:46] <ompaul> neutrinomass, both of them should be avoided - use documentation
[01:46] <midgetg0at> noted.
[01:46] <holycow_> midgetg0at, what ompaul said.
[01:46] <midgetg0at> holy....about this monitor setup...
[01:46] <tuxtux_> ciao
[01:46] <holycow_> midgetg0at, you want my xorg file?
[01:46] <midgetg0at> do yoru windows max to the monitor borders or to the desktop borders (full width of combined monitors)
[01:46] <holycow_> gimme a pastebin url and i can post mine for you
[01:47] <ompaul> tuxtux_, this is an english language channel
[01:47] <ompaul> !it
[01:47] <holycow_> midgetg0at, full width across both monis ...
[01:47] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[01:47] <holycow_> my resolution is 3200x1200
[01:47] <midgetg0at> excellent, dats what i need....
[01:47] <midgetg0at> i've got it the otherway right now
[01:47] <holycow_> gime a pastebin url and ill post it
[01:47] <midgetg0at> which is good when not watching movies
[01:47] <midgetg0at> but really need span
[01:47] <midgetg0at> give you pastebin url? dont you have to generate that...
[01:47] <neutrinomass> what commandline option do I have to pass to the kernel to stop it from actually halting the machine (i.e.  to stop at the "System Halted" message )
[01:47] <ompaul> paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[01:47] <holycow_> watching movies is fine with spanned desktop ... it just maximizes totem to one monitor
[01:47] <midgetg0at> oh, gotcha. heh, i dont care which you use, if thats what you're asking.
[01:48] <midgetg0at> i'm not a big pastebin'er
[01:48] <kingdong> k
[01:48] <holycow_> k sorry
[01:48] <holycow_> lol
[01:48] <midgetg0at> just tell me where to go when ya do it pls :)
[01:48] <midgetg0at> and mucho appreciated btw.
[01:48] <holycow_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22422
[01:48] <holycow_> thats mine
[01:49] <midgetg0at> excellent. Also, do you know how i can switch between these two alternate configs at will?
[01:49] <holycow_> midgetg0at, no biggie, do something about the automatix thing, i really wish we could get that thing killed
[01:49] <holycow_> causes just too many issues, lots of questions in here are as a result of automatix
[01:49] <midgetg0at> well, i'm left w/ the option of reinstalling the os again, correct?
[01:49] <midgetg0at> is one of those questions, "Where did my reboot button go?!?"
[01:50] <holycow_> midgetg0at, its easy enough, just backup /home
[01:50] <ompaul> midgetg0at, that is not an option if your in a business
[01:50] <holycow_> midgetg0at, well renaming xorg files and ctrl/aslt/backspace to restart x, or just logout and login
[01:50] <mikeconcepts> I control a windows machine from ubuntu using vncviewer from terminal, but want the ability to do full screen, not have to page up/down to see the whole remote screen
[01:51] <midgetg0at> ok, thats what i thought. isnt there some script that could be written to unload x and switch config files and then reload it?
[01:51] <holycow_> mikeconcepts, reduce the resolution of the windows machine
[01:51] <holycow_> or increasy the resolution of your host monitor
[01:51] <holycow_> remember, right click on win desktop ... properties ...etc. :)
[01:51] <mtholdenss> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=249902
[01:51] <mikeconcepts> holycow: cool
[01:51] <holycow_> midgetg0at, i heard about that but never really thought about it, appologies
[01:52] <holycow_> mikeconcepts, that also goes for terminal services client
[01:52] <midgetg0at> heard about? I havent - just something i'm suggesting seems like it would be a desired option to switch between dualview, clone, span, and single
[01:52] <Hobbsee> neutrinomass: no, not really.  what happens if you try starting them again?  yeah, removing .gtkrc-2.0 would likely fix it, yes.
[01:52] <mikeconcepts> holycow_: yeah, this is exactly what I need
[01:52] <mtholdenss> somebody check out this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=249902
[01:52] <gansinho> hey there... did someone installed xgl over here?
[01:53] <holycow_> gansinho, i ran it for a while before it started to annoy me :)
[01:53] <holycow_> its fairly easy to install but you haveto have the right hardware ... and haveto expect it to be buggy, its very very alpha/beta software
[01:54] <neutrinomass> Hobbsee: They always faill. All gtk apps... can anything be even done about this? (honestly, there are at least 10-20 open bugs about this but there has been no response to them )
[01:54] <k1piee> hey
[01:54] <midgetg0at> yea, but it's still pretty decent holy :)
[01:54] <_diz> sup
[01:54] <midgetg0at> i like the eye candy
[01:54] <midgetg0at> working well here.
[01:54] <nekoz> is anyone else having major trouble with the repositories right now ??
[01:54] <gansinho> here is working great!
[01:54] <jiphex> xgl did kinda get on my nerves
[01:54] <holycow_> neutrinomass, hiring someone to work on it would be the fastest :()
[01:54] <holycow_> :)
[01:54] <jiphex> was better after turning off the wobbly mod
[01:54] <holycow_> i have done it
[01:54] <holycow_> hehe
[01:54] <Hobbsee> neutrinomass: only by getting that file to be removed on upgrade, i suspect.
[01:54] <holycow_> nekoz, they are slow yes
[01:54] <Hobbsee> neutrinomass: can you subscribe me to any of those bug reports that you see, please?
[01:54] <midgetg0at> it's stuff like xgl that'll bring people to the linux desktop :)
[01:54] <neutrinomass> holyco
[01:54] <midgetg0at> dont hate
[01:55] <ompaul> midgetg0at, you could write such a beast but it means going to a terminal to change the config files - you just need both copies of xorg.conf lets call them xorg.conf.setting.one and xorg.conf.setting.two and then stick a value of one or two into a ".config-file" so it knows what it is, then it can change to the one wanted btw you then have to log out and restart X after each one
[01:55] <neutrinomass> argh
[01:55] <holycow_> nekoz, chances are people are hitting the downloads for the latest edgy release
[01:55] <neutrinomass> Hobbsee: Ok, will do. There are buried but I'll try to dig a few up
[01:55] <holycow_> midgetg0at, well one of the things :)
[01:55] <nekoz> o
[01:55] <nekoz> ty
[01:56] <Hobbsee> neutrinomass: cool
[01:56] <neutrinomass> holycow_: Well I guess that could be done. But I don't have the money to spare :(
[01:56] <holycow_> midgetg0at, there are a LOT of things that bring people to a platform, ubuntu made a HUUUGE step in that direction (thank you mark for spending your mmillions)
[01:56] <holycow_> :)
[01:56] <holycow_> neutrinomass, *nod* i know watcha mean bro
[01:57] <eric_1> anyone here can help me...
[01:57] <kingdong> sure we will try
[01:57] <eric_1> i installed kde trying to run xgl on it but i cant
[01:57] <eric_1> then when i tried running gnome
[01:57] <k1piee> interest
[01:57] <_diz> I'll find out
[01:57] <eric_1> the screen continuously refreshing
[01:57] <midgetg0at> alright...trying for span.....
[01:57] <holycow_> eric_1, its tricky *nod*
[01:57] <JDL01> I have a Q about ubuntu and X server
[01:57] <snoops> eric_1 which tutorial did you follow?
[01:57] <midgetg0at> aren't screens supposed to refresh? ;)
[01:58] <snoops> and what graphics card?
[01:58] <JDL01> How do I get the equivalent of runlevel 3 - i.e. no X server running?
[01:58] <devilz> is 6.06 ubuntu breezy or dapper?
[01:58] <devilz> what do i put into source-list
[01:58] <snoops> devilz dapper
[01:58] <devilz> ahh ty
[01:58] <kingdong> dapper
[01:58] <eric_1> i forgot which tutorial i used
[01:58] <eric_1> << stoopeed
[01:58] <eric_1> how can i restore my gnome??
[01:59] <JDL01> because I realise that ubunto doesn't treat run levels the same way as Fedora
[01:59] <eric_1> im currently using kubuntu
[01:59] <eric_1> :(
[01:59] <holycow_> eric_1, uninstalling the xgl stuff is a bit tricky
[01:59] <snoops> eric_1 reverse what you did in the tutorial..what graphcis card do you have?
[01:59] <eric_1> i dont want to uninstall the xgl stuff
[01:59] <jiphex> ?kubuntu
[01:59] <holycow_> it has you install modules and then install the new window manager ...
[01:59] <Justin_> Is it only me or does the XORG with Ubuntu, run out of memory every 2-3 days?
[01:59] <eric_1> i just want to use gnome instead of the kde
[02:00] <gnomefreak> eric_1: install ubuntu-desktop fpr gnome
[02:00] <gnomefreak> for
[02:00] <Justin_> eric_1, - You have a choice, install the kubuntu-desktop - or if you want to save space, install simply KDEBASE.
[02:00] <eric_1> but when i tried to use gnome, the screen keeps on bleeping (on off) continuously
[02:00] <kingdong> my uptime is 5 days and i have 761m free
[02:00] <midgetg0at> well, that didnt work
[02:00] <holycow_> eric_1, ah ... well the problem seems to be that gnome is not liking your xgl configuration
[02:00] <midgetg0at> i only have 1 monitor now....
[02:00] <eric_1> install ubuntu-desktop fpr gnome <- i'll type this??
[02:00] <Justin_> kingdong, In X?
[02:00] <kingdong> yes
[02:00] <holycow_> eric_1, sounds like you need to first remove all xgl stuff, then probably reinstall gnome
[02:00] <gnomefreak> eric_1: no
[02:00] <eric_1> holycow, im already using xgl on my ubuntu gnome
[02:00] <gnomefreak> eric_1: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop   << type that
[02:00] <Justin_> I mean my total Linux uptime is like 29 days now, but - I need to restart my xserver every now and again.. it seems to really slow down after 3 days
[02:00] <eric_1> then i installed kde trying to run my xgl on it but i cant make it run
[02:00] <holycow_> eric_1, how, your gnome isn't working, right?
[02:01] <eric_1> so i decided to use gnome instead but im having problem right now
[02:01] <eric_1> :(
[02:01] <kingdong> i usually don't stay up for that long so maybe you are right
[02:01] <eric_1> yes
[02:01] <Justin_> eric_1, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[02:01] <devilz> btw, how can i update my kernel to 2.6.17
[02:01] <devilz> i have 2.6.15 now
[02:01] <skateman> www.kernel.org :D
[02:01] <Justin_> devilz, Simple update it in Synaptic :D
[02:01] <eric_1> ongoing
[02:01] <Justin_> You right click on your kernel, and upgrade to the new version
[02:01] <eric_1> ...
[02:01] <gnomefreak> devilz: build it yourself but expect issues
[02:01] <devilz> i wanan update it from apt-get ?
[02:01] <midgetg0at> holycow, peep this if you dont mind - i only have 1 monitor working now NOT span :( http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22423
[02:02] <eric_1> finished holycow
[02:02] <eric_1> do i need to log off??
[02:02] <holycow_> devilz, just wait for edgy eft to come out.  don't waste too much time compiling your own kernel unless you really really need to or really really want to :)
[02:02] <gnomefreak> devilz: cant unless you upgrade to edgy and edgy is pretty far from stable
[02:02] <holycow_> eric_1, yep
[02:02] <jiphex> what benefits are there to building the jernel yourself?
[02:02] <eric_1> wait
[02:02] <kingdong> heh heh i would use gentoo if i wanted to be rolling my own kernel all the time
[02:02] <darkschneider> hello, i can0t figure out which is xv package name for ubuntu, any clue?
[02:02] <Justin_> Yeah "issues" it's usually better to stay with the kernel that comes with your distro, if you are not familiar with compiling kernels ;)
[02:02] <Jack_Sparrow> gnomefreak: How do you switch between KDE and Gnome when both are installed?
[02:02] <Justin_> And you wont notice much of a difference if any at all, from updating your kernel at the moment - I would wait for Edgy stable.
[02:02] <midgetg0at> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[02:03] <gnomefreak> Jack_Sparrow: login screen under sessions
[02:03] <midgetg0at> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[02:03] <midgetg0at> maybe..?
[02:03] <midgetg0at> heh..
[02:03] <darkschneider> naturally a source package that ubuntu coudl compile... cause of xv license :)
[02:03] <gnomefreak> midgetg0at: why make it hard just use the loginscreen
[02:03] <Jack_Sparrow> gnomefreak: thanks, added to my notes..
[02:04] <midgetg0at> i'm not used to the login screen :) it's all buggy for me
[02:04] <midgetg0at> ctrl+alt+backspace likes to cause problems.
[02:04] <Jack_Sparrow> gnomefreak: Oh, and good morning to you and all
[02:04] <Justin_> jiphex, You can update speed - or make a custom start up mode, or heck your own distro - but if you do not know what or how to do it - then I suggest you do not play with the kernel..
[02:04] <midgetg0at> /pm
[02:04] <midgetg0at> /im
[02:04] <gnomefreak> yw
[02:04] <midgetg0at> bah
[02:04] <gnomefreak> good morning
[02:04] <Justin_> What I find interesting is that Xubuntu seems to be the most stable version of Ubuntu :D
[02:04] <Justin_> Gotta love XFCE mouhaha.
[02:05] <mart> thanks for the help with nvidia stuff
[02:05] <mart> sorted now...
[02:05] <HeathenDan> it's so bare-bones it's gotta be stable :p
[02:05] <mart> easy fix, reistalled ubuntu
[02:05] <JDL01> Can anybody help with my problem?
[02:05] <mart> lol
[02:05] <midgetg0at> dont suggest people not play w/ the kernel - how do people learn?
[02:05] <Justin_> HeathenDan, Exactly how I like it - I used to be a Freebsd man, I like building my stuff up :P
[02:05] <Justin_> Xubuntu is the first Linux I actually like... and kept for more then 2 weeks - so thats good :)
[02:05] <midgetg0at> Holycow - still around?
[02:06] <azathoth> how do i make my gtk+ apps have the same look as my gnome apps again? i forget the package...
[02:06] <Justin_> xhaan, Haha - you must have a lot of free time on your hands :P
[02:06] <Jack_Sparrow> JDL01: What was the problem...  just ask
[02:06] <Justin_> But it's a great way to learn, break and figure out how to rebuild
[02:06] <ompaul> midgetg0at, if your interested in discussion please join #ubuntu-offtopic however most users here are new in some way so stability is the goal
[02:06] <MrStein> Hi! Knot 2 release is not mentioned on http://www.ubuntu.com/testing  , release mail : https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-September/000185.html
[02:06] <JDL01> How do I get the equivalent of runlevel 3 - i.e. no X server running?
[02:06] <rorian> phew.. thought Compiz was crashing, but it was just that silly Shift + Backspace thing
[02:06] <JDL01> because I realise that ubunto doesn't treat run levels the same way as Fedora
[02:06] <kingdong> ubunto!
[02:06] <xhaan> Justin_, i do :0
[02:06] <ompaul> JDL01, this is debian based so there is only 1 2 6 0
[02:07] <Justin_> midgetg0at, Well people can learn - but they shoudl read first, before they start messing with the kernel - I mean just telling them commands is bad.. it will not work, and they did not learn a thing.
[02:07] <JDL01> Which one allows me to run a server without X ?
[02:07] <holycow_> midgetg0at, just ask.  lots of people in here that know more than me
[02:07] <Justin_> If you want to play with your Kernel, I suggest reading up on how to do it - get yourself familiar with it and stuff
[02:07] <falcon3> *wave*
[02:07] <ompaul> JDL01, install rcconf and turn off gdm <<-- it is not done like others -
[02:07] <MrStein> Can some core Ubuntu team person confirm, that they are aware of the missing Knot 2 information on the web page?  :D
[02:08] <falcon3> midgetg0at: think your sources might be a bit off
[02:08] <midgetg0at> i have a xorg.conf that allows me to hvae 2 montors w/ an expanded desktop...
[02:08] <valehru> Anyone know where abouts I could get a copy of the file gdm.conf-custom?
[02:09] <Jack_Sparrow> devilz: update kernel or add say 686 when you are running 386?
[02:09] <midgetg0at> but i want span as an alternative option
[02:09] <JDL01> can't find it :(
[02:09] <rbrick> hi all
[02:09] <falcon3> midgetg0at: correct,
[02:09] <midgetg0at> why do you say that falcon?
[02:09] <tafelpoot> question... is there a way to have the full dapper whitout having the 256Mb ram you need for that *peeeep* live CD?
[02:09] <rbrick> this is the first time i join this channel
[02:09] <rapha> Hi all!
[02:09] <azathoth> welcome :)
[02:09] <devilz> Jack_Sparrow, update i have 2.6.5
[02:09] <falcon3> midgetg0at: you can expand your desktop without xinerama, but movies andsoforth will span over your two monitors too
[02:09] <ompaul> valehru,   /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom /home/username/gdm.conf-custom
[02:10] <snoops> tafelpoot alternate cd? (it uses a text based install, instead of live cd)
[02:10] <falcon3> midgetg0at: the only solution i know to that is xinerama
[02:10] <midgetg0at> well...i want movies to expand
[02:10] <rapha> Is it possible to build Edgy's 2.6.17 kernel (assuming it has that already) under Dapper, and what would be the preferred way of doing it? I know how to build a vanilla kernel by hand, but never did it with Debian/Ubuntu methods...
[02:10] <midgetg0at> but i dont want normal apps to, so i'm thinking i need 2 seperate setups
[02:10] <valehru> ompaul, I think I screwed up both versions. is there the defaults on the net somewhere?
[02:10] <tafelpoot> snoops: and it is not that server install?
[02:10] <Jack_Sparrow> And I WANT a flying car.. sorry, havent had morning coffee
[02:10] <falcon3> midgetg0at: runnign two X servers for each screen is a solution
[02:10] <snoops> tafelpoot nope, the server install is the server install :)
[02:10] <tafelpoot> snoops: I really want the full install...
[02:10] <tafelpoot> ok
[02:10] <tafelpoot> I'll take a look
[02:10] <eric_1> anyone know how to fix my gnome??
[02:11] <ompaul> rapha, for edgy materials go to #ubuntu+1 this is stable only
[02:11] <falcon3> tafelpoot: http://ubuntu.mirrors.skynet.be/pub/ubuntu.com/releases/6.06/ubuntu-6.06.1-alternate-i386.iso
[02:11] <Knelix> Can anybody help me with an xmame problem?
[02:11] <tafelpoot> falcon3: thx
[02:11] <falcon3> tafelpoot: no belet
[02:11] <falcon3> belnet*
[02:11] <eric_1> i installed kde but when i tried using gnome... after logging in, it shows the screen, then black, then shows the screen again
[02:11] <midgetg0at> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22422 <-- apparently working "span" setup posted by holycow....any ideas falcon?
[02:11] <falcon3> let me check
[02:11] <midgetg0at> ideas as far as, where/how is it diff from mine
[02:12] <rapha> ompaul: I know; I'd like to build it under Dapper... will do anyways, thx.
[02:12] <eric_1> guys... can you please help me??
[02:12] <tafelpoot> eric_1: what is wrong?
[02:12] <rapha> That depends on your prob eri
[02:12] <rapha> That depends on your prob eric_1
[02:12] <midgetg0at> (08:11:33 AM) eric_1: i installed kde but when i tried using gnome... after logging in, it shows the screen, then black, then shows the screen again
[02:12] <z3r0x> hi @ all
[02:12] <z3r0x> is it possible to boot a partition virtually?
[02:13] <ompaul> valehru, sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm should help
[02:13] <holycow_> z3r0x, what do you mean virtually?
[02:13] <ompaul> z3r0x, you can use xen uml qemu or vmware
[02:13] <JDL01> ok...how do I find rcconf?
[02:13] <z3r0x> holycow_, I don't want to reboot my computer when I want to use windows
[02:14] <tafelpoot> z3r0x: try vmware
[02:14] <JDL01> Synaptic has never heard of it
[02:14] <z3r0x> tafelpoot, thx
[02:14] <holycow_> what tafelpoot said
[02:14] <ompaul> JDL01, got universe enabled?
[02:14] <Lobster> but vmware doesn't use his win-version but install a new one...
[02:14] <ompaul> !multiverse > JDL01
[02:14] <Lobster> i think he wants to boot a windows wich is allready installed...
[02:14] <ompaul> JDL01, read the message from the bot
[02:15] <Jack_Sparrow> !rcconf
[02:15] <ubotu> rcconf: Debian Runlevel configuration tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.17 (dapper), package size 17 kB, installed size 112 kB
[02:15] <holycow_> z3r0x, if you are trying to boot an existing install, thats not possible
[02:15] <JDL01> yep - it is now
[02:15] <holycow_> you cannot 'lift' an existing install ... at least not yet
[02:15] <JDL01> this is a new installation and I forgot the Universe
[02:15] <Jack_Sparrow> np
[02:15] <adminx> Good morning all
[02:15] <tafelpoot> holycow_: I thought there was a way... but I don't know how
[02:16] <z3r0x> holycow_, hm
[02:16] <ompaul> JDL01, enjoy
[02:16] <falcon3> midgetg0at: yes, that's a default setup
[02:16] <Jack_Sparrow> JDL01: You will grow to love this bot
[02:16] <midgetg0at> well, not tottaly default
[02:16] <falcon3> midgetg0at: but that will, as i said before, span
[02:16] <midgetg0at> well, then why isnt it for me?
[02:16] <midgetg0at> thats what i'm running now...or at least trying to
[02:16] <midgetg0at> but my right monitor has no signal
[02:16] <JDL01> cheers guys
[02:16] <ompaul> valehru, and now?
[02:16] <midgetg0at> does the nvidia driver span by default? is there some kinda nvidia utility i can run?
[02:17] <ompaul> !nvidia > midgetg0at
[02:17] <falcon3> midgetg0at: http://sial.org/pbot/19439
[02:17] <midgetg0at> drivers are installed.
[02:17] <midgetg0at> as i said, i ahve "expanded" desktop workign fine
[02:17] <midgetg0at> but not span
[02:17] <valehru> ompaul, just trying it out now.
[02:17] <holycow_> tafelpoot, there is no way to mount an existing install into a virtual machine outside of the theortical vm viruses created by ms
[02:18] <holycow_> someone may actually make it so eventually tho
[02:18] <midgetg0at> but yea, i'll fuss w/ it
[02:18] <midgetg0at> thanks guys.
[02:18] <looktj> I need help with the file browser
[02:19] <looktj> what command do I type to tempolarily make the file browser for root
[02:19] <holycow_> sudo nautilus
[02:19] <looktj> ok thanks
[02:19] <Jack_Sparrow> no
[02:19] <ompaul> looktj, you really don't want to do that, and use gksudo nautilus
[02:19] <holycow_> or i think gksudo nautilus
[02:19] <Jack_Sparrow> gksudo nautilus
[02:19] <Healot> gksudo is preferable for graphical application
[02:19] <looktj> ok thanks
[02:19] <azathoth> why?
[02:20] <Jack_Sparrow> safer
[02:20] <azathoth> i didn't think there was much difference between the two... except a popup window...
[02:20] <looktj> im just doing so i don't have to rm blah blah
[02:21] <ompaul> looktj, BE careful delete the wrong stuff in there and you will be reinstalling
[02:22] <looktj> i have a lamp server lol
[02:22] <Jack_Sparrow> I made a shortcut on my bar to gksudo nautilus and I changed the icon to a puffer fish indicating be careful....
[02:22] <xhaan> lol
[02:23] <looktj> jack_sparrow how do i do that lawl
[02:24] <Jack_Sparrow> Create a new launcher
[02:24] <ompaul> JDL01, why, you could just logout and be done with it
[02:25] <JDL01> because it din;'t work
[02:25] <raashaad2010> how write dhcp ubuntu
[02:25] <JDL01> ah
[02:25] <JDL01> ok
[02:25] <JDL01> that's worked
[02:26] <OmegaNine> Any idea how to tell mplayer how to keep the videos aspect when I go in to a full screen mode on a wide screen display?
[02:26] <lupine_85> raashaad: you mean how to get a DHCP address?
[02:26] <lupine_85> sudo dhclient <interface>
[02:26] <looktj> lawl im using gnome error image
[02:31] <tuxtux_> ciao a tutti
[02:31] <Jack_Sparrow> !it
[02:31] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[02:32] <Healot> ciao'ed
[02:33] <mortalguy> Hey. Is there a tool I can use to test if the various sound-implementations (esd, alsa) work?
[02:33] <Jack_Sparrow> That is the first time I have ever seen this channel go 5 minutes without a message
[02:34] <fyrestrtr> mortalguy: play some music.
[02:34] <mortalguy> fyrestrt1, I tried that, doesn't work.
[02:34] <mortalguy> i.e. no music is played.
[02:34] <Jack_Sparrow> !mp3
[02:34] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:34] <nomin> !democracyplayer
[02:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about democracyplayer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:34] <vonluger> hi to all
[02:35] <Jack_Sparrow> mortalguy: did you try playing an ogg file as well
[02:35] <mortalguy> no
[02:35] <vonluger> i must install fglrx but i have a radeon xpress 200m
[02:35] <nomin> democracy player installs pretty quick on ubuntu
[02:35] <mortalguy> I'll try that
[02:35] <nomin> it's not in the repos yet
[02:35] <nomin> but I think it should be
[02:35] <nomin> http://www.getdemocracy.com/
[02:35] <mortalguy> Jack_Sparrow, doesn't work
[02:35] <vonluger> what version of driver i can install
[02:36] <Jack_Sparrow> mortalguy: That helps
[02:36] <Jack_Sparrow> mortalguy: Do you see your sound card when in term you type lspci
[02:36] <vonluger> i must install fglrx but i have a radeon xpress 200m what verisoon of driver can i install?
[02:37] <Jack_Sparrow> mortalguy: FYI, the other guys .. ops...  are way better at this stuff than I am,,,
[02:37] <mortalguy> I'd say this would be my sound card: 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
[02:37] <Jack_Sparrow> vonluger: have you read the help page from here.?
[02:37] <Jack_Sparrow> !ati
[02:37] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:38] <Jack_Sparrow> mortalguy: yep
[02:38] <mortalguy> well, then yes, my sound card is in the lspci output
[02:39] <vonluger> jack yes i see that i can install driver 8.24.8 is this the driver for me?
[02:39] <Jack_Sparrow> vonluger: yes that link was for you
[02:39] <finalbeta> So sad that I always have to go back to winodows to play music. Ubuntu wont play 5.1 for me. Tryed alsa mailing list, had no response, tryed #alsa, but no sollution. Anyone else wants to have a try? I got 2.0 , never 5.1 using alsa.
[02:39] <Jack_Sparrow> mortalguy: I have to pass and let someone better at that take care of you.. It is a slow morning, maybe we can both learn something
[02:40] <Jack_Sparrow> finalbeta: You got music, just not 5.1 surround..
[02:40] <Healot> finalbeta, tried using other pkayers yet, vlc for example, it does support 5.1 audio, btwm you can configure xine to mix 5.1 audio into stereo
[02:40] <finalbeta> Jack_Sparrow, indeed.
[02:41] <BazziR> finalbeta: whats your soundcard?
[02:41] <nomin> !audio
[02:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about audio - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:41] <nomin> !sound
[02:41] <ubotu> If sound is not working, first try system -> prefrences -> multimedia system selector change it to alsa. If you still have problems then look at http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems
[02:41] <Jack_Sparrow> mortalguy: Give the guys a chance to finish their coffee and you should be able to get some help.
[02:42] <finalbeta>  Card: Intel ICH5
[02:42] <finalbeta>  Chip: C-Media Electronics CMI9780
[02:42] <mortalguy> alright, thanks Jack_Sparrow
[02:42] <BazziR> oh, hm
[02:42] <finalbeta> nomin, thnx, but this is past that
[02:42] <BazziR> never used that one
[02:42] <sris> Hi! After having some weird problems with my first (ever) install av ubuntu i decided to reinstall it. It seems that the partitions on the drive im using for the install are all scewd up. When i use the automagic guiden partition, and thells the install to "erase everything on that drive" i get this result. http://rafb.net/paste/results/stVM0Y54.html
[02:43] <sris> Does that mean that the swap is the 5tg partition on that disk?
[02:43] <ubuntu> well my ubuntu got currpted
[02:43] <ubuntu> :(
[02:44] <Jack_Sparrow> mortalguy: You did make sure to unmute and up the volume on all channels didnt you
[02:44] <ubuntu> got 1 question
[02:45] <mortalguy> yes of course
[02:45] <ubuntu> when i try to run aumix command
[02:45] <ubuntu> i get error opening the file
[02:45] <finalbeta> Healot, tryed setting gstreamer to 5.1, used xine with 5.1, I don't want to convert 5.1 to sterio. I want sterio to 5.1.
[02:45] <Jack_Sparrow> mortalguy: You understand I had to ask that
[02:45] <mortalguy> :)
[02:45] <ubuntu> any ideas?
[02:45] <AsadR> where do i get the GStreamer plugin for MP3 ?
[02:46] <mortalguy> Jack_Sparrow, in aumix I don't see any channels but a microphone... In System > Preferences > Sound I see that the default sound card is set to my USB microphone. When I change that to my Intel sound card, close the dialog and open it again I see the settings aren't saved
[02:47] <ubuntu> AsadR:  tried synaptic?
[02:47] <sris> Ok, i'll refrase, http://rafb.net/paste/results/stVM0Y54.html does the #5 in the swap-row indicate that the swap is the 5th partition on that disk?
[02:47] <ubuntu> sris:  it should be written there
[02:48] <ubuntu> what kinda of partition it is
[02:49] <sris> ubuntu: what should be written?
[02:49] <Jack_Sparrow> mortalguy: You are just in an area I have NO experience in... If you had a modem... Im there for you :) I really want to see how your problem gets address..
[02:49] <mortalguy> Jack_Sparrow, alright, I'll go on on my own. I'll be back with any updates.
[02:49] <ubuntu> mortalguy: whats ur problem?
[02:49] <Jack_Sparrow> k
[02:49] <ubuntu> Jack_Sparrow:  hi there
[02:49] <ubuntu> :)
[02:49] <npster> What was that lib for the windows codecs ?
[02:49] <mortalguy> ubuntu, I think I found some solution, nvm for now :)
[02:49] <ubuntu> k
[02:49] <Jack_Sparrow> what do you show in system settings sound
[02:49] <ubuntu> npster: w32codec
[02:49] <mortalguy> yep, there we go. :)
[02:49] <npster> tnx
[02:49] <mortalguy> Jack_Sparrow, I've unplugged my USB mic, and now it apparently works.
[02:49] <Jack_Sparrow> wow
[02:50] <ubuntu> Jack_Sparrow:  can i get some help plz :)
[02:50] <Jack_Sparrow> I love days where I learn something
[02:50] <mixandgo> is there any difference between ubuntu + kde and kubuntu ?
[02:50] <mortalguy> USB mics + Ubuntu = no good
[02:50] <npster> ubuntu: sorry they aren't in synaptic and I have universe
[02:50] <Samuli^> mixandgo, with ubuntu you get gnome too :P
[02:50] <glassbits> i installed aiglx and compiz on my system which has a k8m800 graphics chip , has anybody got aiglx working on this hardware ?
[02:50] <ubuntu> npster:  u gotta download it from mplayerhq.hu
[02:51] <mixandgo> Samuli^: and other than that ?
[02:51] <ubuntu> Jack_Sparrow:  oh nvrmnd
[02:51] <ubuntu> thats anyways
[02:51] <lhds> how to erase my usb master boot record?
[02:51] <Samuli^> mixandgo, if you install kubuntu-desktop then I don't think there's a difference.
[02:52] <ubuntu> laters
[02:52] <ubuntu> :P
[02:52] <mixandgo> Samuli^: thanks
[02:53] <ompaul> mixandgo, do a diff on kubuntu-desktop and kde with apt-cache show and you can grasp the difference
[02:53] <Zambezi> I changed to IceWM and now I can't find a mediaplayer. Which is the best?
[02:54] <ompaul> !best
[02:54] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[02:54] <jungsonn> i have a big problem, i have evolution mail, and it loads on booting about 75 new screens, i kill it, but they come back, so i removed evolution mail, but then i get warnings every 2 sec. that it cannot find evolution mail, so i installed it again, but it still loads 75 to a 150 screens, even now.... dont know what to do anymore....
[02:54] <lhds>  how to erase my usb master boot record?
[02:55] <JDL01> thankyou for your help guys
[02:56] <Zambezi> ompaul, Is there anyone uou recommend? :-P
[02:56] <sh4dox> hello
[02:56] <dark_light> ubotu, but you must agree that quicksort is the best overall sorting algorithm
[02:56] <dark_light> :PPP
[02:56] <ompaul> Zambezi, I like and this is me - xmms - but then I have been using it for 10 years :)
[02:56] <ompaul> or more
[02:56] <ompaul> it feels like that anyway
[02:56] <sh4dox> i'm trying to connect my phone via bluetooth with my notebook, but it seems not work, it asks me for a code :s
[02:57] <jungsonn> anyone an idea what it could be?
[02:57] <dark_light> ubotu, (oops, msgs to you are considered? sorry :P)
[02:57] <ubotu> oops: caching HTTP proxy server written for performance. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.5.23.cvs-2.2ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 315 kB, installed size 960 kB
[02:57] <Jack_Sparrow> Zambezi: What package did you use to install ice and how hard was it?
[02:57] <Zambezi> ompaul, I just use it for music, but I can try it for video too.
[02:57] <Jack_Sparrow> Zambezi: And can you switch between that and gnome?
[02:58] <looktj> ubotu, (oops, msgs to you are considered? sorry :P)
[02:58] <ubotu> oops: caching HTTP proxy server written for performance. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.5.23.cvs-2.2ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 315 kB, installed size 960 kB
[02:58] <Zambezi> Jack_Sparrow, I used sudo apt-get install icewm. I install fileroller too, but it's horrible.
[02:58] <looktj> what does that do?
[02:58] <ompaul> jungsonn, the only thing I can think of there is some "save session" thing you triggered and you opened this huge volume of mail close every one of them move them from one folder to another and see what happens
[02:58] <ompaul> Zambezi, then you need to look at other programs read the page I am about to get the bot to send you
[02:59] <ompaul> !restricted > Zambezi
[02:59] <ompaul> Zambezi, I like mplayer but again that is just me
[02:59] <jungsonn> is it an idea to boot into another session i once made?
[02:59] <Zambezi> Jack_Sparrow, I think I can switch too FVWM, Fluxbox, but I'm not sure what happens with program using X.
[02:59] <holycow_> *hmm*
[02:59] <sh4dox> wow it works !! :D does someone knows a good synchronisation tool?
[02:59] <holycow_> what is the command for kicking my nick off irc again?
[02:59] <Jack_Sparrow> Zambezi: One last question how do you run ice once it is installed
[03:00] <exs> Phone synchronisation program for my cell phone (sony ericsson w810i) ?
[03:00] <ompaul> jungsonn, no it is a better idea to find the setting you have there and sort it out
[03:00] <ompaul> help, please whats with the nick changes
[03:01] <holycow_> ompaul, say what?
[03:01] <help> holycow sorry
[03:01] <Zambezi> help, Then I logged in with gdm, I changed session from Xubuntu too IceWM and choose to use it as default.
[03:01] <Zambezi> Jack_Sparrow, , Then I logged in with gdm, I changed session from Xubuntu too IceWM and choose to use it as default.
[03:01] <ompaul> holycow_, all obvious?
[03:01] <sh4dox> Exs: yes for sony ericsson, no for w810 :D  it's for K700i
[03:01] <Jack_Sparrow> Was trying to help him and didnt realize what I had done.. (Hide my head in shame)
[03:02] <exs> sh4dox:  Well, I'm sure the 700i will wor just like the w810i
[03:02] <holycow_> ompaul, no, i'm missing something ... i'be been up for a while
[03:02] <exs> sh4dox:  What's the app called?
[03:02] <Jack_Sparrow> Thanks..
[03:02] <jungsonn> hi im back linux halted :(
[03:02] <sh4dox> exs: the app i use for the moment is euhm ... moment :D i'm checkingit
[03:03] <jungsonn> i booted into default session of ubuntu, and evolution mail seems not to load anymore.
[03:03] <Jack_Sparrow> holycow_: /msg nickserv help   gives the list
[03:03] <holycow_> ah! danke
[03:03] <jungsonn> but my question is, if i reinstall it are the bugs then gone?
[03:03] <holycow_> gotcha, danke
[03:03] <McScruff> is it possible to update to edgy from my current
[03:03] <woland_> can i install ubuntu using a serial port?
[03:03] <azathoth> McScruff: yes...
[03:03] <ompaul> !edgy
[03:03] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[03:03] <sh4dox> exs: gnome-phone-manager, but is to basic
[03:04] <McScruff> ty
[03:04] <WisH[AWAY] > anyone knows where i can get help with my unreal server?
[03:04] <exs> sh4dox:  how do you mean basic?.. I just want to save all my messages
[03:04] <WisH[AWAY] > running from my pc
[03:04] <jungsonn> another question: can i completely remove evolution mail from ubuntu? and if so how is this done in a terminal?
[03:04] <holycow_> test
[03:05] <slate> hello
[03:05] <ompaul> jungsonn, not a great idea,     sudo apt-get remove --purge evolution
[03:05] <sh4dox> exs: that won't work with the tool i'm using at the moment, in windows there is a nice programm called "float mobile agent" but in linux i'm still looking for a good program
[03:05] <slate> can someone ping me, to test my dynamic dns?
[03:05] <slate>  ping birodaniel.dynudns.com
[03:05] <jungsonn> i try to remove it with synaptic but it asked: remove: terminal, gnome etc.. would not be a good idea i guess? :D
[03:06] <ompaul> slate, its there
[03:06] <slate> thanks ompaul
[03:06] <jungsonn> ompaul, i had some bugs with it, if i reinstall are those gone u think?
[03:06] <lhds> how to know that my network card is functionning in prompt
[03:07] <exs> sh4dox:  can't I run it under wine??
[03:08] <Roh81> Im trying to figure out why flash videos playing within a firefox browser wont play sound.
[03:08] <sh4dox> exc: i'm not sure, i'm not using wine (i'm on dualboot) i'll check it for ya ... hold on
[03:08] <sh4dox> exs: yes it works fine with wine
[03:09] <exs> sh4dox:  Brilliant. How do I setit up?.. I've gone through how to make utorrent work under linux but I forgot the tutorial
[03:09] <exs> I still have wine on my ubuntu.
[03:09] <holycow_> Roh81, check ubuntu forums for that, there is a fix
[03:09] <holycow_> !flash
[03:09] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:09] <holycow_> !flash sound
[03:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flash sound - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:10] <azathoth> utorrent is easy to setup in linux
[03:10] <Roh81> Holycow_: Thanks atleast I know its not something I did. I thought my sound card was dying for a minute.
[03:10] <sh4dox> exs: can't help you with wine, as i said before i'm not using it myself ... if you wonder how to setup fma then i can help you very well :D
[03:11] <bv3g> does anyone have any experience with wpa_supplicant & network-manager-gnome?
[03:11] <sh4dox> exs: multisync is a sync tool for linux, give it a try :D
[03:12] <orbin> evening.  could someone help me mount/automount my usb stick?
[03:12] <exs> sh4dox:  got that, but doesn't seem to like my ubuntu
[03:12] <JamieBE> Hi there! - Does anyone know what program I can use to open Microsoft Publisher files?
[03:12] <sh4dox> exs: ow ... any problems or ... tell me :D i'm about to intall it
[03:12] <holycow_> JamieBE, you cannot
[03:13] <holycow_> JamieBE, publisher is designed to sell publisher files
[03:13] <holycow_> there is no real import/export for pub available
[03:13] <exs> sh4dox:  well, it installs fine, but it crahes upon startup with me
[03:13] <exs> sh4dox:  It only crahses when I try and setup the connection
[03:13] <JamieBE> holycow_ - This is Ubuntu - There has to a a solution somewhere.
[03:13] <holycow_> JamieBE, no ther eisn't
[03:13] <tizwonder> Has anyone here ever use amarok
[03:14] <JamieBE> holycow_ - There must be.
[03:14] <holycow_> *sigh*
[03:14] <sh4dox> exs: hmm ok, i'll look for any other tool
[03:14] <holycow_> believe what you want to. you asked i told you.  i deal with this question weekly.
[03:15] <sh4dox> exs: seems multisync is the only app in his kind, i'll give it a try
[03:15] <exs> sh4dox:  ok
[03:17] <sh4dox> exs: how can i set up a connection with multisync
[03:17] <exs> sh4dox: click new button
[03:18] <sh4dox> exs: yes .. :D
[03:18] <exs> it's pretty straight foward
[03:19] <sh4dox> exs: it says "plugin missing" :s
[03:19] <keiron> Hi. I have setup my monitor correctly in xorg.conf but i want to specifically set my refresh rate to 75hz. could someone please tell me how to do this? thank you
[03:19] <exs> sh4dox:  hmm .. it#s rubbish anyways
[03:19] <exs> only syncs with calender
[03:20] <sh4dox> pff sucky tool
[03:20] <keiron> (btw, i have dual monitor setup with XRandR so i cannot change it through the Screen Resolution menu option)
[03:20] <orbin> keiron: heh, was about ot say ... if it's correct, it should be choosable in sys > prefs > screen res.
[03:21] <sh4dox> exs: alreday removed it :D
[03:21] <sh4dox> *allready :D
[03:21] <looktj> godaddy sucks at hosting
[03:21] <looktj> :|
[03:21] <TLE> keiron: It's not related but are you using GNOME
[03:21] <keiron> TLE: yes
[03:22] <cube> hi guys
[03:22] <keiron> TLE: Why do you ask>
[03:23] <orbin> 'lo cube
[03:23] <cube> I've now xubuntu and look for a sources.list , which includes servers where i get the most common things like amule , amsn and things ike this...they aren't in the standard package list
[03:23] <quovadis_a> hi
[03:23] <cube> can someone gimme one?
[03:23] <sh4dox> exs: i advise you to use fma in associating with wine
[03:23] <TLE> keiron: Can we go private, no need to clutter up the channel with chit-chat
[03:23] <exs> sh4dox:  well, i don't know how to use wine to install fma
[03:23] <orbin> !easysource > cube
[03:24] <Shin_Gouki> hi whats channel for edgy?
[03:24] <sh4dox> exs: me neither, maybe some else in this room can help us by setting up wine
[03:24] <c0d3h4ck> ..
[03:24] <azathoth> #ubuntu+1
[03:24] <keiron> TLE: I think I need to be a server member for that. join #chitchat instead
[03:24] <TLE> join #chitchat
[03:24] <orbin> seen https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine yet?
[03:25] <Dace> sh4dox: #winehq
[03:25] <kozmic> when i plug in a USB disk, how can i turn off nautilus popping up with the content? (annoying when using external disk with 5 paritions, all 5 windows pop up when i connect it)
[03:26] <orbin> kozmic: sys > prefs > removable drives
[03:26] <cube> orbin: ty...i'll have a look
[03:26] <kozmic> thanks orbin
[03:26] <cesc> HI
[03:26] <orbin> ...disable the browse tickbox i would think
[03:26] <kozmic> orbin: yeah. *tries*
[03:27] <kozmic> orbin: that worked just fine. i should have figured that one out myself :) hehe, thanks anyway
[03:27] <orbin> yw
[03:28] <Demio> hello
[03:28] <orbin> now if only _my_ usb stick would mount :)
[03:28] <Aldoliel> Hi there
[03:28] <JamieBE> holycow_ - I'm looking into this full time now - That's wound me up tighter than a vatican nun's legs.
[03:29] <Demio> my dvdrecorder is acting up on me again
[03:29] <Demio> when i try to view the contents of the dvd i get this
[03:29] <Demio> The folder contents could not be displayed.
[03:29] <Demio> You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "dvdrecorder".
[03:30] <ninan> hi. since a few days i am seeing issues with track recognization in sound juicer. i cannot find any information on www.musicbrainz.org about server outages. any clue?
[03:30] <Demio> I fixed it yesterday, but it was a messy fix and didnt last a whole reboot
[03:30] <sh4dox> exs: join me at #winehq
 it works with sudo -s ?
[03:30] <Demio> is there a clean and permanent way to fix it?
[03:30] <Demio> hmm
[03:30] <ninan> Demio: had same problem recently and fixed by inserting the mount points to the /etc/fstab
[03:31] <ninan> Demio: setting the permissions on the mount points doesnt work over reboots
[03:32] <Demio> ok
[03:32] <Demio> how do i d othat?
[03:32] <ninan> Demio: gksudo gedit /etc/fstab opens up the file
[03:33] <Demio> ok now what
[03:33] <Demio> I think the dvdrecorder is /dev/hdc
[03:33] <ninan> Demio: now add lines similar to the following for each your cdrom device: /dev/hda        /media/dvdrecorder      udf,iso9660     user,noauto     0      0
[03:33] <Demio> ok