[00:41] <AskUbuntu> Where are the instructions for MAAS when one does not own the network? | http://askubuntu.com/q/215204


[16:49] <devbanerjee_123> see I love lubuntu very much after linux mint os but make desktop linux linux mint with the use of 100 mb RAM and add more applications , and add two types of stores eg. gnome store , and app center . I can't donate you but I can give you idea
[16:50] <devbanerjee_123> Ask me anytime lubuntu corporration about idea
[16:50] <devbanerjee_123> thankyou


[12:10] <ubotu> New bug: #121081 in firefox (main) "Confirm dialog squeezed" [Low,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121081
[12:11] <ubotu> New bug: #121082 in sane-backends (main) "USB scanner not detected due to Acces Denied on write to USB device by sane backend" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121082
[12:11] <ubotu> New bug: #121083 in gtk2-engines (main) "emacs-snapshot-gtk fails with missing setColors" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121083
[12:16] <ubotu> New bug: #121084 in gnome-panel (main) "cannot drag+drop recent documents" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121084
[12:16] <ubotu> New bug: #121085 in gnome-power-manager (main) "panasonic y5 hotkeys don't work properly (brightness)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121085
[12:26] <ubotu> New bug: #121086 in Ubuntu "Gutsy Ubuntu Desktop Upgrade Fails with No Diagnostic" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121086
[12:31] <ubotu> New bug: #121087 in libmtp (main) "libmtp crashes (1.5 backport request)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121087
[12:35] <ubotu> New bug: #121090 in evolution (main) "Evolution fails to download some gmail emails" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121090
[12:36] <ubotu> New bug: #121088 in albumshaper (universe) "please sync albumshaper 2.1-4 from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121088
[12:40] <ubotu> New bug: #121091 in apache2 (main) "/var/run/apache2/ not created" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121091
[12:40] <ubotu> New bug: #121092 in udev (main) "Network device reordering" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121092
[12:45] <ubotu> New bug: #121095 in asterisk (universe) "please sync asterisk 1:1.4.5~dfsg-1 from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121095
[12:55] <ubotu> New bug: #121096 in linux-meta (main) "request for nvidia 100 series driver in restricted-modules" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121096
[01:00] <ubotu> New bug: #121097 in nufw (universe) "please sync nufw 2.2.1-1 from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121097
[01:20] <ubotu> New bug: #120938 in kdebase "kicker does not show up anymore" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120938
[01:20] <ubotu> New bug: #121099 in Ubuntu "username "hal" is reserved and cannot be used" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121099
[01:25] <ubotu> New bug: #121100 in Ubuntu "Screensaver should be an option under "Power Management"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121100
[02:10] <ubotu> New bug: #121105 in Ubuntu "Installed Ubuntu 7.04 - ran updates then sound did not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121105
[02:25] <ubotu> New bug: #121106 in lilypond (universe) "midi2ly fails with RuntimeWarning: Python C API version mismatch for module midi" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121106
[03:21] <ubotu> New bug: #121046 in firefox (main) "Uname: Linux cybernet 2.6.17-11-386 #2 Fri May 18 23:37:00 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121046
[03:59] <nictuku> using KID_OUTPUT_PY=1, let's see
[04:36] <ubotu> New bug: #121111 in Ubuntu "Gutsy Tribe 1 CD don't load on Dell Inspiron 1501" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121111
[04:40] <ubotu> New bug: #121110 in evolution (main) "evolution crashes at Gutsy(Urgent!!)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121110
[04:40] <ubotu> New bug: #121112 in udev (main) "Epson RX-530 multifunction printer" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121112
[04:55] <ubotu> New bug: #121113 in grub (main) "After kernel upgrade acpi=off not put into grub menu.lst" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121113
[05:10] <ubotu> New bug: #121114 in Ubuntu "Gnome apps in Kubuntu blank" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121114
[05:33] <Admiral_Chicago> bug 96544
[05:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 96544 in firefox "[edgy]  firefox crash [@nsCOMPtr_base::assign_with_AddRef]  [@nsCSSSelector::Reset] " [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96544
[05:36] <ubotu> New bug: #121115 in apport (main) "crashes when reporting some packages" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121115
[05:41] <ubotu> New bug: #121116 in evolution (main) "evolution crashes expanding email list "To:"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121116
[05:41] <ubotu> New bug: #121117 in Ubuntu "ethernet freezes at power on" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121117
[05:50] <ubotu> New bug: #121118 in ndiswrapper (main) "Fiesty 7.04 ndiswrapper helpfile misinformation " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121118
[06:00] <ubotu> New bug: #121119 in gdm (main) "assertion `key_file != NULL' failed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121119
[06:45] <ubotu> New bug: #121120 in qtiplot (universe) "[Wishlist] Please import Qtiplot from Debian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121120
[06:50] <ubotu> New bug: #121121 in apport (main) "crashes with Permission denied: '/proc/5177/exe'" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121121
[07:01] <ubotu> New bug: #121122 in darcs (universe) "errors in documentation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121122
[07:06] <ubotu> New bug: #121123 in metacity (main) "maximize/unmaximize doesn't restore window size" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121123
[07:06] <ubotu> New bug: #121124 in Ubuntu "Installing new version (Gutsy) next to old reformats swap; makes swap fail on boot in other OSs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121124
[07:15] <ubotu> New bug: #121126 in compiz (main) "Gutsy - Shadows no long appear with Compiz on an ATI 7500 Mobility" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121126
[07:16] <ubotu> New bug: #121125 in kubuntu-meta (main) "Nvidia display driver problem" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121125
[07:46] <ubotu> New bug: #121127 in tomboy (main) "dropdown button in the tag selector" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121127
[07:55] <ubotu> New bug: #121129 in Ubuntu "hplip does not detect active printer on /dev/lp0" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121129
[08:00] <ubotu> New bug: #121130 in bash (main) "closed clear_console" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121130
[08:10] <ubotu> New bug: #121131 in mjpegtools (multiverse) "dpkg error involving libmjpegtools0c2a blocking apt et al." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121131
[08:11] <crimsun> ...
[08:11] <crimsun> that's clearly a user error
[08:12] <Hobbsee> then reject it
[08:12] <crimsun> why is that suddenly a bug if non-Ubuntu repo(s) is(are) involved?
[08:13] <Hobbsee> crimsun: it's not.  we cant change them.
[08:15] <Hobbsee> rejected
[08:18] <crimsun> by both of us, each with an explanation.
[08:18] <crimsun> :)
[08:20] <Hobbsee> :)
[08:25] <ubotu> New bug: #121132 in ubiquity (main) "partition detection crashed during installation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121132
[08:46] <coNP> happy (hug-8) day bugsquad
[09:00] <ubotu> New bug: #121134 in thunderbird (main) "Memory corruption" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121134
[09:55] <ubotu> New bug: #121135 in compcomm-plugins-main (universe) "/usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121135
[10:06] <ubotu> New bug: #121136 in firefox (main) "firefox crashed when middle-clickin a bookmark folder" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121136
[10:17] <dholbach> good morning
[10:21] <dholbach> nightie Admiral_Chicago
[10:25] <thekorn> morning dholbach, how are you?
[10:26] <dholbach> heya thekorn
[10:27] <dholbach> thekorn: very good - I just registered my first car ever - I'm getting ready for holidays (in August ;-))
[10:27] <dholbach> thekorn:  how are you?
[10:29] <Hobbsee> dholbach: woo!
[10:30] <dholbach> hey Hobbsee :)
[10:30] <Hobbsee> hiya dholbach :)
[10:31] <thekorn> dholbach: I'm little tired, have been in leibzig yesterday, on our way back home we had a lot of traffic because of that horrible crash
[10:34] <dholbach> urg :/
[10:51] <ubotu> New bug: #121139 in spectemu (multiverse) "does not load from tap and tzx files" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121139
[10:55] <ubotu> New bug: #121140 in evolution (main) ""Help" is inoperative. I can't find  how to set up multiple mail accounts like ashaver@hawaiiancondos.com,shaverl002<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121140
[11:31] <ubotu> New bug: #121141 in firefox (main) "pci bugs bios 81 49945000" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121141
[11:55] <ubotu> New bug: #121142 in kdevelop (universe) "When launched, kdevelop uses 100% of cpu time for about 2 minutes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121142
[12:01] <ubotu> New bug: #121143 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon  7.10 Tribe 1 is unable to mount NTFS or FAT32 disks." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121143
[12:22] <mattyv> Hi, just wondering what to do. Bug #110390 has two issues reported. One of these issues is a duplicate bug of #72262, how should #110390 be labeled? As a dup?
[12:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 110390 in openoffice.org "OpenOffice.org Base Problems" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110390
[12:25] <ubotu> New bug: #121145 in fmit (universe) "Please sync fmit (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121145
[12:30] <ubotu> New bug: #121147 in debian-edu (universe) "Please sync debian-edu (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121147
[12:35] <ubotu> New bug: #121148 in duplicity (universe) "Merge duplicity 0.4.2-16 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121148
[12:40] <ubotu> New bug: #121150 in Ubuntu "Wrong locale setting when choose Hong Kong as the location" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121150
[12:41] <ubotu> New bug: #121149 in tomboy (main) "tags: remove the "+" button" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121149
[12:44] <mattyv> Another question. Gutsy's version of OOo has fixed bug #72262, but the problem still exists for Edgy and Feisty. Should the bug be marked Fix Released or not? The upstream version from Debian has already been marked Fix Released
[12:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 72262 in openoffice.org "Form Wizard in Base does not complete" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/72262
[12:46] <ubotu> New bug: #121151 in kolab-webadmin (universe) "Merge kolab-webadmin 2.1.0-20070510-1 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121151
[12:56] <ubotu> New bug: #121152 in hydrogen (universe) "Merge hydrogen 0.9.3-4 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121152
[12:56] <ubotu> New bug: #121153 in network-manager (main) "[gutsy]  NetworkManager updates breaks network-manager-gnome" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121153
[01:16] <mattyv> Hi, just wondering what to do. Bug #110390 has two issues reported. One of these issues is a duplicate bug of #72262, the other issue might be a dup but not of 72262. How should #110390 be labeled? As a dup?
[01:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 110390 in openoffice.org "OpenOffice.org Base Problems" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110390
[01:25] <ubotu> New bug: #121155 in filezilla (universe) "Memory corruption" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121155
[01:28] <asac> dholbach: thekorn: for me it looks like the bughelper results have regressed: e.g. firefox.html is created in place and not to temporary location and copied over once its finished
[01:29] <asac> e.g. i see firefox.html growing over time
[01:29] <asac> which was fixed some time ago iirc
[01:30] <ubotu> New bug: #121156 in evolution (main) "evolution crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121156
[01:31] <ubotu> New bug: #121157 in Ubuntu "Dataloss on fat32 partion when windows is in hibernation mode" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121157
[01:36] <pochu> asac: you've set Bug #26436 to 'In progress', but the mozilla bug hasn't been touched since iwj reported it in Febraury 2006... Am I missing anything?
[01:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 26436 in firefox "gtkmozembed crashs with python" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/26436
[01:37] <asac> pochu: no problem ... In Progress is associated in mozillateam with the task "review upstream bug regularly"
[01:38] <asac> pochu: its just "In Progress" for Ubuntu task
[01:38] <pochu> Oh, I see.
[01:38] <pochu> I don't the MozillaTeam's bug policy, so I was wondering what I was missing ;)
[01:39] <pochu> asac: something new regarding listen crash? :)
[01:40] <asac> pochu: maybe read our procedures: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/States and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Tags
[01:40] <asac> pochu: should be pretty quick read
[01:41] <ubotu> New bug: #121158 in gnome-power-manager (main) "g-p-m should use Composite to dim the screen" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121158
[01:41] <ubotu> New bug: #121159 in tomboy (main) "tomboy>tools>SavAsHtml->FF is running. Must Close!" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121159
[01:41] <asac> pochu: e.g. States explains ... while tags just gives short summary and provides quick links to get access to bugs associated with the task of that tag
[01:45] <ubotu> New bug: #121160 in kdebase (main) "Panel too small in dualhead setup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121160
[01:46] <asac> pochu: i see that In Progress is not yet documented (e.g. review regularly and ensure that upstream is still on-track)
[01:51] <thekorn> asac: your are right, bughelper-cron on dholbach's server creates the result "in place",
[01:51] <thekorn> i think he iis working on that script
[01:52] <asac> thekorn: ok ... just wanted to raise awareness, because this was definitly once fixed and its a moving target for us
[01:52] <asac> hard to get the complete picture
[01:53] <asac> dholbach: would be unblocking for us if you could fix this with high prio :)
[02:00] <ubotu> New bug: #121161 in gnome-terminal (main) "scim-chewing will crash GNOME terminal." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121161
[02:21] <ubotu> New bug: #121165 in initramfs-tools (main) "/dev/.initramfs/progress_state is corrupted at shutdown" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121165
[03:06] <ubotu> New bug: #121167 in rhythmbox (main) "rhythmbox doesn't scrobble correctly tracks to lastfm" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121167
[03:10] <dholbach> asac: looking at it now
[03:11] <asac> dholbach: cool :)
[03:11] <dholbach> although 'blocking' is a bit harsh, no? :)
[03:11] <asac> hehe ... hey its hard for me to get a full file ... i mean i worked today 3 hours through a 24k file and thought i was done ... but then ;)
[03:12] <asac> dholbach: so it blocks me somehow :-D ... though nothing i will remember i guess ;)
[03:12] <asac> dholbach: its just that we are today and maybe tomorrow doing bug days in mozillateam :)
[03:12] <dholbach> ok
[03:14] <dholbach> they are not generated 'in place'
[03:14] <dholbach> http://daniel.holba.ch/bugs/.prepare/
[03:14] <dholbach> what I can do is run the cron job less often
[03:14] <asac> hmmm ... why do files with a size of about 4.0K pop up there sometimes?
[03:15] <dholbach> no idea
[03:15] <dholbach> but they are put in .prepare and moved over from there
[03:15] <asac> dholbach: why not run in endless loop instead of cronjob?
[03:15] <asac> i mean otherwise you get races ... and its hard to tune the timing .)
[03:15] <dholbach> I'll think about it
[03:15] <dholbach> I'll run it every 3h from now on
[03:16] <dholbach> and think about an 'endless solution'
[03:16] <asac> ok ... if that is good enough for ffox :)
[03:16] <asac> dholbach: you can also run every 15 minutes and look if there is a lock file somewhere
[03:16] <dholbach> no, I'm not going to run it every 15 minutes :)
[03:16] <dholbach> there are bzr locks alone already
[03:16] <dholbach> it makes no sense
[03:16] <asac> dholbach: 15 minutes + lock is kind of fail-safe endless loop
[03:16] <asac> :)
[03:17] <dholbach> I'll think abou it
[03:17] <dholbach> the service as it is, is just a demo
[03:17] <dholbach> it's quick and dirty
[03:17] <asac> yeah
[03:17] <dholbach> the proper solution should be drafted cleverly
[03:17] <asac> anyway ... usefull
[03:17] <dholbach> so I don't want to put too much time into fixing the demo
[03:17] <asac> i found a bunch of triaging bugs ... that otherwise would have rotten for a long time
[03:17] <dholbach> if anybody wants5 to test it on his machine and has improvements as patches, that's fine
[03:18] <dholbach> but we should rather start brainstorming about a clever service very very soon
[03:18] <asac> yeah
[03:18] <asac> dholbach: we first should try to sync our ideas ... i have the opinion that we have quite different ideas on what this "centralized bughelper" job should do ... and what it would be useful for.
[03:19] <asac> align our ideas i mean :)
[03:19] <dholbach> yes, makes perfect sense
[03:19] <asac> dholbach: if you schedule such a meeting ... let me know
[03:20] <asac> dholbach: maybe we can even do a conference call after we did the initial some initial chat
[03:20] <ubotu> New bug: #121168 in baobab (universe) "Baobab (Disk usage analyser) reports the total diskspace incorrectly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121168
[03:21] <dholbach_> asac: will do
[03:30] <ubotu> New bug: #121169 in gtk+2.0 (main) "Not shown in devhelp" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121169
[03:35] <ubotu> New bug: #121170 in dia (main) "dia crashed before save dialog" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121170
[03:35] <ubotu> New bug: #121171 in gnome-vfs (universe) "No "File System" bookmark in GtkFileChooser" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121171
[03:55] <ubotu> New bug: #121173 in vte (main) "Last line disappears when switching tab" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121173
[04:01] <ubotu> New bug: #121174 in nautilus (main) "file copy special caracter fat" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121174
[04:15] <ubotu> New bug: #121175 in Ubuntu "VGA K8N890 graphics driver not supported" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121175
[04:15] <ubotu> New bug: #121176 in Ubuntu ""Play audio CD in Kaffeine" crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121176
[04:20] <ubotu> New bug: #121177 in Ubuntu "Cannot play audio CD in amarok" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121177
[04:31] <ubotu> New bug: #121178 in gnome-games (main) "Mines: After being bombed getting a highscore" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121178
[04:45] <ubotu> New bug: #121181 in pygtk (main) "python-gtk2-doc should depend on python-gobject-doc" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121181
[04:46] <ubotu> New bug: #121179 in Ubuntu "Updated Ubuntu 7.04 and no longer mounts additional hard drives and files automatically." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121179
[04:46] <ubotu> New bug: #121180 in pureadmin (universe) "fails to save user configuration (clicking save does nothing)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121180
[05:06] <ubotu> New bug: #121184 in Ubuntu "Graphic error Panasonic y5 Intel Mobile 945" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121184
[05:11] <ubotu> New bug: #121185 in Ubuntu "On window resize the Gtk+ slider control is not resized correctly with Qt theme" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121185
[05:11] <ubotu> New bug: #121186 in tomboy "Passing command-line arguments in .server files is deprecated" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121186
[05:33] <ubotu> New bug: #121188 in mod-mono (universe) "Broken dependencies in Edgy universe repository" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121188
[05:37] <calc> bugs bugs go away :P
[05:37] <Hobbsee> calc: fix them, then :P
[05:37] <pochu> calc: As long as they're not in OOo... ;)
[05:37] <calc> i average 3 new bugs on OOo per day
[05:38] <calc> with ~ 500 open so it will take a while to get that under control
[05:40] <calc> bug 106531 looks interesting
[05:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 106531 in openoffice.org "[Feisty]  OpenOffice.org can't read UTF-8 filenames" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106531
[05:40] <calc> kde breaks OOo
[05:40] <ubotu> New bug: #121190 in Ubuntu "can not run upgrade'W:Duplicate sources." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121190
[06:00] <bdmurray> crimsun: What were you saying about Toshiba Satellites the other day?
[06:00] <ubotu> New bug: #121191 in python-launchpad-bugs (main) "bug.status and bug.importance return "None" and "None" when the bugs status is tracked in a release" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121191
[06:00] <ubotu> New bug: #121192 in qemu (universe) "Cannot install Debian or Ubuntu Server Edition 7.04 (64-bit)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121192
[06:01] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: they do hellish things w.r.t sound.
[06:02] <bdmurray> Hobbsee: I remember that much. ;)  I'm trying to figure out if they should be duped or rejected or . . . .
[06:02] <ScottK> calc: Since openoffice.org-kde is part of the openoffice.org source package, I'd say openopenoffice.org is broken all by itself with no help from KDE.
[06:16] <gnomefreak> mvo: i upgraded apt :( it is removing adept stuff atm
[06:17] <gnomefreak> dist-upgrade didnt hold back
[06:17] <mvo> gnomefreak: adept is not yet rebuild, it failed to build for me
[06:17] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[06:17] <mvo> haven't had time to fix that yet
[06:17] <mvo> sorry
[06:17] <gnomefreak> thats ok
[06:18] <calc> ScottK: heh true :)
[06:20] <ubotu> New bug: #121196 in tk8.4 (main) "wish8.4 crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121196
[06:25] <ubotu> New bug: #121197 in firefox (main) "Print Preview hangs up on big documents from Wikipedia" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121197
[06:26] <ubotu> New bug: #121198 in firefox (main) "firefox print margins borked." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121198
[06:46] <heno> Please note the change in bug states that takes effect tomorrow: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2007-June/023836.html
[06:47] <Hobbsee> heno: yay!
[06:47] <heno> Hobbsee: I'm glad it's well received :)
[06:47] <Hobbsee> :)
[06:48] <Hobbsee> well, i was part of the discussions at UDS about it, so it's hardly new
[06:48] <Hobbsee> not that i had much of a say, of course
[06:51] <ogra> yippie, wontfix is back
[06:51] <Hobbsee> :D
[06:52] <ogra> :)
[06:52] <Hobbsee> heno: do wontfix bugs still show up in the counts?
[06:52] <heno> Hobbsee: dunno
[07:00] <ubotu> New bug: #121202 in firefox (main) "Freezing Screen" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121202
[07:00] <ubotu> New bug: #121203 in udev (main) "Ubuntu has stopped recognizing my ipod" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121203
[07:06] <mikkael> nobody seems to take care of nicotine bugs
[07:07] <mikkael> id like to know if it's only not working on this machine or in general (on gutsy)
[07:09] <bdmurray> mikkael: how is it "not working"?
[07:10] <thekorn> bdmurray: hi, I'm looking at your bugreport (bug 121191)
[07:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121191 in python-launchpad-bugs "bug.status and bug.importance return "None" and "None" when the bugs status is tracked in a release" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121191
[07:11] <thekorn> bdmurray: what output do you expect?
[07:12] <bdmurray> thekorn: ideally that it would return the status for each task
[07:14] <mikkael> bdmurray: see here http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/1299
[07:15] <mikkael> i only get a content-less window titled nicotine
[07:16] <bdmurray> mikkael: which specific version?
[07:17] <mikkael> 1.2.8 on from gutsy repos
[07:17] <bdmurray> 'dpkg -l nicotine' is more informative
[07:17] <mikkael> 1.2.8+dfsg-1 to be more prec
[07:17] <bdmurray> it launches for me but I have no config file
[07:18] <mikkael> doesnt need one, it should create one after your inputs
[07:19] <bdmurray> what happens if you move your config out of the way does it launch then?
[07:19] <mikkael> you mean the .nicotine folder ?
[07:19] <bdmurray> I guess, I'm not really familiar with nicotine
[07:20] <mikkael> exactly the same
[07:20] <mikkael> i'd file a bug (already did file the apport generated bug). but there seems to be nobody to care about
[07:21] <bdmurray> what gives you that impression?
[07:21] <mikkael> same terminal output
[07:22] <bdmurray> I meant that nobody cares about it
[07:23] <mikkael> this page: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nicotine/
[07:24] <bdmurray> It looks like nicotine is auto-synced from debian have you looked at their bug tracker?
[07:25] <mikkael> nope, didnt know that
[07:26] <bdmurray> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkg&data=nicotine&archive=no&version=&dist=unstable
[07:27] <mikkael> yes, no bug reported at the latest version
[07:29] <mikkael> so what can i do ? talk to debian's maintainer or talk to the nicotine developer ?
[07:29] <mikkael> file another bug, since my output now is different to that apport reported ?
[07:31] <bdmurray> I would file a bug about it at debian's bug tracker and it is possible to "link" bugs to upstream bug trackers
[07:31] <bdmurray> so then link your bug in launchpad to the debian bug
[07:35] <mikkael> i think my english is not appropriate :P
[07:35] <ubotu> New bug: #121189 in apt (main) "can not run upgrade'W:Duplicate sources." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121189
[07:35] <ubotu> New bug: #121205 in openoffice.org2-amd64 (main) "no spellcheck in default install" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121205
[07:38] <bdmurray> mikkael: I'm happy to help
[07:47] <mikkael> bdmurray: well could you add missing information to this email im gonna to send to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/1300 ?
[07:52] <bdmurray> mikkael: this had some additional information http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/1299 in lines 2 and 3
[07:53] <mikkael> this disappeared after removing  .nicotine folder
[07:53] <bdmurray> okay, cool.
[07:55] <bdmurray> it looks good - here is some additional information about forwarding upstream
[07:55] <bdmurray> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage#head-ab0eb9d7731fa877b5fc866eedc4c312dab50ee7
[07:56] <mikkael> i feel weird sending this mail to debian as ubuntuuser
[08:00] <bdmurray> "Much of the software in Ubuntu is not actually written by us. We package many pieces of free and open source software, collect them in a distribution, and integrate them. As such, many bugs are actually in programs we've never written."
[08:00] <bdmurray> I don't think there is a reason to feel weird.  You might check and see if there is a nicotine bug tracker and use that directly though.
[08:01] <ubotu> New bug: #121206 in update-manager (main) "update crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121206
[08:04] <mikkael> email sent, now i have to wait for it to show on debian bug tracker, then link it ?
[08:06] <bdmurray> yes, or wait for the reply e-mail with bug number
[08:06] <ubotu> New bug: #121207 in gcc-3.4 (main) "[Feisty]  Dangling symlink in amd64 libg2c0-dev package" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121207
[08:09] <rbs-tito> Hi guys, in a bug like #121206 , is there enough information?
[08:09] <rbs-tito> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/121206
[08:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121206 in update-manager "update crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[08:12] <bdmurray> rbs-tito: looking
[08:12] <bdmurray> rbs-tito: it is not clear to me exactly what you were doing.  were you updating _to_ gutsy or performing an update in gutsy?
[08:13] <rbs-tito> It isn't my bug report, I am just fairly new to the bugsquad team and I'm not sure whether this should be needs indo
[08:14] <rbs-tito> *info
[08:14] <bdmurray> mvo: what do you think?
[08:14] <rbs-tito> Surely there should be some replication instructions
[08:17] <bdmurray> rbs-tito: yes, information about what exact steps they took to get that crash would be helpful
[08:17] <rbs-tito> OK
[08:17] <poningru_> if I have a bug that I'm pretty sure is in either the kernel or the driver of sym53c8xx
[08:18] <poningru_> where should I put it?
[08:18] <bdmurray> rbs-tito: is there a particular reason why you picked that bug to work on?
[08:18] <poningru_> in feisty
[08:18] <rbs-tito> I've also been helping this one along, #120853 , I've uploaded a modified source file and assigned it to the desktop bugs team. Is that all that needs to be done?
[08:18] <bdmurray> poningru_: linux-source-2.6.20
[08:18] <poningru_> linux-source-2.6.20?
[08:18] <poningru_> excellent thanks
[08:18] <rbs-tito> bdmurray: I just saw it on the newest bugs, and thought I might ask the question as I've never encountered a report like that before.
[08:18] <bdmurray> poningru_: that is the kernel version for feisty
[08:19] <bdmurray> bug 120853
[08:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120853 in desktop-effects "Repeated word in error message" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120853
[08:19] <rbs-tito> bdmurray: bug #120853 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/desktop-effects/+bug/120853
[08:20] <bdmurray> rbs-tito: a patch would be better than modifying than a different version of the whole file
[08:20] <rbs-tito> bdmurray: Like a debian package?
[08:21] <rbs-tito> bdmurray: I don't know anything about packaging, I can code but not make packages.
[08:23] <bdmurray> rbs-tito: not a whole package but a diff of the 2 files.  I'm looking for some documentation
[08:24] <bdmurray> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToFix
[08:25] <rbs-tito> Thanks, I'll read up on that
[08:25] <bdmurray> see the Generating a patch section
[08:25] <ubotu> New bug: #121212 in gnash (universe) "gnash crashed with SIGSEGV in std::_Rb_tree<boost::intrusive_ptr<gnash::as_object>, boost::intrusive_ptr<gnash::as_object>, std::_Identity<boost::intrusive_ptr<gnash::as_object> >, std::less<boost::intrusive_ptr<gnash::as_object> >, std::allocator<boost::intrusive_ptr<gnash::as_object> > >::erase()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121212
[08:25] <bdmurray> it is probable that development on desktop-effects.c is continuing and with a patch it will be easier to import your change
[08:30] <rbs-tito> bdmurray: Ok, so I've got a copy of the source from apt. Do i add a new file in the patch directory?
[08:30] <mikkael> bdmurray: the bug on debian was closed with explanation: Sorry, but Debian packages are not meant to be used with Ubuntu.
[08:32] <bdmurray> mikkael: what?
[08:33] <mikkael> yes
[08:33] <bdmurray> go ahead and link to it anyway and I'll check it out after lunch
[08:34] <mikkael> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=429718
[08:34] <mikkael> i linked it, but its closed now
[08:34] <bdmurray> mikkael: okay, thanks.  sorry about that
[08:35] <rbs-tito> bdmurray: How do I tell which patch system is used for this package?
[08:35] <bdmurray> rbs-tito: it looks like you will want to make a copy of the desktop-effects directory, make the change in the copy and then execute diff between the two
[08:36] <rbs-tito> Ah right, I just run diff with the right parameters and it will create a patch?
[08:37] <bdmurray> that is correct
[08:37] <bdmurray> then add that to the bug report
[08:37] <bdmurray> I'm off to lunch bbiab
[08:37] <bdmurray> let me know and I'll be happy to look at ti
[08:39] <rbs-tito> OK, I've made  patch file. I just upload this .patch file to launchpad right?
[08:47] <rbs-tito> I've created a .patch file, do I need to just upload this or do I need to put it into the debian/patches directory ?
[08:51] <ubotu> New bug: #121214 in Ubuntu "Gutsy(beta) install did not recognise other Linux distros on disk, ie they do not appear in GRUB" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121214
[08:56] <bdmurray> rbs-tito: just add the patch file to the bug report
[08:57] <rbs-tito> ok
[08:58] <rbs-tito> Do I set it to fix comitted?
[08:59] <bdmurray> no, fix committed means it is available for others which is not the case yet
[09:00] <rbs-tito> So leave it as confirmed?
[09:00] <bdmurray> rbs-tito: yes
[09:00] <rbs-tito> bdmurray: Should it be assigned to desktop bugs ?
[09:01] <rbs-tito> oh, nobody according to that wiki
[09:01] <bdmurray> your patch seems to have some extraneous stuff though
[09:01] <rbs-tito> bdmurray: Such as?
[09:03] <bdmurray> everything below http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akNJ6S2UqsE&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcrunchgear%2Ecom%2F2007%2F06%2F18%2Ftransformers%2Dfan%2Dcostumes%2Dcreative%2Ddorks%2Din%2Ddisguise%2F
[09:03] <bdmurray> whoops, not that
[09:03] <bdmurray> eveything below diff -Nur desktop-effects-0.7.1.dist/desktop-effects.c~ desktop-effects-0.7.1/desktop-effects.c~
[09:04] <bdmurray> was your editor still open when you ran diff?
[09:04] <rbs-tito> I don't think it was
[09:05] <bdmurray> maybe remove the .c~ files and run diff again
[09:05] <rbs-tito> So it should only go to line 12 ?
[09:05] <bdmurray> yes
[09:06] <rbs-tito> Can I just cut everything else out of the file?
[09:06] <calc> good afternoon
[09:06] <bdmurray> rbs-tito: yes, that would work too
[09:07] <calc> bdmurray: that video is cool
[09:08] <bdmurray> well, that's good.
[09:08] <rbs-tito> bdmurray: Did you get that file transfer?
[09:09] <bdmurray> calc: I'm glad my unintended paste was entertaining
[09:09] <bdmurray> rbs-tito: hmm?
[09:09] <rbs-tito> I've just offered to send a file, are you getting it?
[09:10] <bdmurray> no, just put it on some paste site
[09:11] <rbs-tito> http://pastebin.ca/577035
[09:11] <rbs-tito> I know why the first one was dodgy, I used gedit, lol!
[09:11] <bdmurray> heh, looks good now
[09:12] <rbs-tito> ok, upload this one?
[09:13] <rbs-tito> Right
[09:13] <rbs-tito> I think its done
[09:13] <rbs-tito> According to that guide I am now meant to find a developer
[09:13] <bdmurray> cool, thanks for your work
[09:13] <bdmurray> check on #ubuntu-devel then
[09:13] <bdmurray> or there may be a desktop-effects channel I forget
[09:13] <bdmurray> calc: have you seen bug 80447?
[09:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 80447 in openoffice.org "Impress crashes when searching help" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80447
[09:14] <bdmurray> rbs-tito: also it is possible to remove your previous "bad" patch
[09:14] <rbs-tito> How?
[09:15] <rbs-tito> oh done
[09:15] <bdmurray> on the left hand side there is a gray "Bug attachements" box expand that and then click edit
[09:15] <asac> pochu: isnt't this somehow the same backtrace we see for listen: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/1512669/bt ?
[09:15] <ubotu> New bug: #121216 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "using lsi20160b-f in feisty with external scsi hdds, very slow read/write " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121216
[09:15] <ubotu> New bug: #121217 in evolution (main) "Package the OpenChange plugin for evolution" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121217
[09:18] <rbs-tito> bdmurray: I've just posted in that IRC channel, should I leave it at that or contact one of the desktop-effects developers?
[09:19] <pochu> asac: looks a bit similar, yes: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8024554/gdb-listen.txt
[09:20] <asac> pochu: did LD_LIBRARY_PATH fix this?
[09:21] <pochu> Not for listen. It's already set.
[09:21] <pochu> LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/firefox python -OO /usr/lib/listen/listen.py "$@"
[09:22] <bdmurray> pochu - did you know who to contact about a desktop-effects patch?
[09:22] <pochu> Probably mvo.
[09:23] <pochu> Amaranth also knows compiz & co, though he can't sponsor, since he isn't a developer...
[09:23] <asac> pochu: but the testcase i have to test python binding gtkmozembed doesn't crash with LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[09:23] <bdmurray> which mvo though?
[09:23] <pochu> bdmurray: lol ^_^
[09:23] <bdmurray> I see 3 here. ;)
[09:23] <asac> pochu: just to confirm: you did try to build the exact same package in feisty? no crash?
[09:23] <rbs-tito> There is an mvo in -devel at the moment
[09:23] <calc> bdmurray: looking at the bug
[09:24] <pochu> asac: I'll rebuild it later tonight, but when it started to crash in gutsy, it was the same version...
[09:24] <Nafallo> bdmurray: they are all the same Michael :-)
[09:25] <calc> bdmurray: grr yea appears that is a valid bug, a little surprised impress in gutsy is still so buggy though
[09:25] <asac> pochu: please try:
[09:25] <asac> sh /usr/lib/firefox/run-mozilla.sh /usr/bin/python -OO /usr/lib/listen/listen.py "$@"
[09:26] <calc> bdmurray: looks like rene claims it is fixed in debian
[09:26] <pochu> asac: it starts, let's see whether it crashes or not.
[09:27] <pochu> asac!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:27] <pochu> YOU FIXED IT!
[09:27] <asac> yeah ... lets please track down ... what environment was missing?
[09:27] <calc> bdmurray: can you check on the debian version (when you have time) and reopen the bug in debbugs if it is still there too
[09:27] <asac> e.g. run-mozilla.sh sets up lot of environment
[09:27] <mvo2_> oh joy! I love my isp
[09:27] <asac> pochu: i would be curious to know what caused this problem
[09:27] <mvo2_> bdmurray: what was that about a desktop-effects patch?
[09:27] <pochu> asac: me too ;)
[09:28] <pochu> asac: let me see at run-mozilla :)
[09:28] <asac> pochu: look in run-mozilla.sh
[09:28] <bdmurray> rbs-tito wrote a patch for desktop-effects - it is a string change
[09:28] <asac> dump env before the program is executed
[09:28] <asac> so you can see how the environment is setup
[09:28] <bdmurray> calc: okay
[09:31] <calc> bdmurray: debian version 2.2.1~rc3-1 claims to fix it
[09:31] <ubotu> New bug: #121220 in bochs (universe) "Build Dep not properly specified" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121220
[09:31] <bdmurray> calc: right updating now I think
[09:31] <bdmurray> mvo2_: it was bug 102853
[09:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 102853 in openoffice.org "[apport]  package openoffice.org-gtk failed to install/upgrade:  (dup-of: 102847)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102853
[09:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 102847 in openoffice.org "[apport]  package openoffice.org failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102847
[09:32] <bdmurray> er, bug 120853
[09:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120853 in desktop-effects "Repeated word in error message" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120853
[09:32] <bdmurray> that's it!
[09:33] <asac> pochu: in run-mozilla.sh there is already a section to dump environment
[09:33] <asac> pochu: in if [ "$moz_debug" -eq 1 ]
[09:33] <asac> pochu: maybe remove the if ... or set moz_debug to 1 :)
[09:34] <asac> pochu: ok out ... bbl
[09:35] <mvo2_> bdmurray: thanks, looking
[09:40] <calc> bdmurray: looks like debian has 2.2.1-2 now so hopefully it is fixed for them now
[09:40] <calc> bdmurray: ubuntu's is older but still within when it should have been fixed by debian
[09:40] <pochu_> asac: sorry, got disconnected. Will check the env later, have to leave now.
[09:41] <bdmurray> calc: hunh because I checked it gutsy this morning and it still died
[09:42] <rbs-tito> mvo2_: Was I successful?
[09:43] <mvo2_> rbs-tito: the patch looks good, I need to look at desktop-effects anyway to see if there is a new upstream version. then I will apply it
[09:53] <calc> bdmurray: so the timeline is this:
[09:53] <calc> debian claims to be fixed
[09:53] <calc> ubuntu version is updated
[09:53] <calc> debian updates to a newer version
[09:53] <calc> ubuntu is still broken
[09:53] <calc> ubuntu's broken version is based off the version in debian that claims to have already been fixed
[09:53] <calc> so if debian is really fixed then we need to update OOo in Ubuntu and see if that resolves the issue as well
[09:54] <calc> because if debian is fixed either something in ubuntu build is broken or they didn't actually fix it until a later version than what debbugs claims it was fixed in
[09:56] <crimsun> bdmurray: The A13* and P1* series are known to have miscompiled DSDTs, which have caused ACPI issues
[10:00] <bdmurray> okay, so an a200 should be fine then?
[10:00] <crimsun> no
[10:00] <crimsun> you can never say whether a Toshiba Satellite will be ok, but you can nearly always say whether it will be broken.
[10:02] <crimsun> In this particular instance, you need to look at `dmesg`.  If the DSDT contents contain "MSFT", it needs to be passed through Intel's compiler before it can be verified to work
[10:06] <calc> bugs 116855
[10:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 116855 in openoffice.org "Cannot open the attached file. If macros are disabled, it will loop indefinetely, if enabled, it crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/116855
[10:06] <calc> bdmurray: can you look at that bug and see if OOo even tries to enable macros on that file?
[10:07] <calc> bdmurray: doesn't even ask for me
[10:08] <bdmurray> man lp attachments scare me
[10:08] <calc> bdmurray: eh?
[10:08] <bdmurray> Offending + colon ?
[10:08] <calc> lol
[10:08] <calc> lmao
[10:09] <calc> not just colon... colon residence
[10:09] <calc> people staying in colons ;)
[10:11] <ubotu> New bug: #121224 in Ubuntu "Network interface becomes unstailble and then the machinge " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121224
[10:14] <bdmurray> OOo did not ask about enabling macros
[10:15] <calc> bdmurray: ok i'm going to ask the user about it, i think the macros are either more broken than he reported or his file is broken
[10:16] <bdmurray> calc: the impress searching should be fixed in OOo experimental on debian right?
[10:18] <rbs-tito> OK, I'm taking on bug 121220
[10:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121220 in bochs "Build Dep not properly specified" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121220
[10:24] <bdmurray> calc: If so I'm ran into a mess of dependencies trying to install experimental OOo on debian sid.
[10:25] <mikkael> bdmurray: what should i do with Bug #120254 ?
[10:25] <ubotu> New bug: #121225 in Ubuntu "Apple WWDC 2007 video stream fails to play" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121225
[10:25] <ubotu> New bug: #121226 in update-manager (main) "Update manager crashes at dist-upgrade" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121226
[10:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120254 in nicotine "nicotine does not start" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120254
[10:25] <mikkael> remember the nicotine/debian problem
[10:25] <mikkael> did i link it correct ?
[10:26] <rbs-tito> OK, I think i've patched bug 121220
[10:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121220 in bochs "Build Dep not properly specified" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121220
[10:27] <pochu> rbs-tito: instead of adding it to "Depends", add it to "Build-Depends" ;)
[10:28] <rbs-tito> pochu: Oh... Leave depends how it was?
[10:28] <pochu> I think so.
[10:28] <bdmurray> mikkael: yes, it is linked correctly the statuses are updated daily
[10:29] <mikkael> but the debian maintainer closed this one
[10:29] <ogra> pochu, well, it has docbook-utils in Build-Depends-Indep and libx11-dev in Build-Depends already, i'd really poke the reporter for more info
[10:30] <pochu> rbs-tito: read that ^
[10:32] <rbs-tito> Ah right, I tried compiling and I needed xorg-dev
[10:33] <pochu> After doing 'sudo apt-get build-dep bochs'?
[10:34] <rbs-tito> apt-get source bochs, then running ./configure
[10:34] <rbs-tito> oh right, i see where you are coming from
[10:34] <pochu> But build-deps doesn't install it (just tried)
[10:35] <pochu> ogra: so that's not enough (for xorg-dev)
[10:35] <pochu> Neither for docbook.
[10:35] <rbs-tito> So the package should have xorg-dev instead of libx11 ?
[10:35] <pochu> rbs-tito: so go ahead with your patch :-)
[10:36] <rbs-tito> docbook is OK though, surely? or is docbook-utils not enough?
[10:40] <rbs-tito> http://pastebin.ca/577226 Is this alright?
[10:41] <rbs-tito> No, wait I did that wrong
[10:46] <rbs-tito> pochu: Does "Docbook" and "xorg-dev" need to be added to the deps?
[10:49] <rbs-tito> Right, bug sorted :D
[10:49] <gnomefreak> mvo_: is it possible to add a warning to apt stating something about have mixed repos (edgy and feisty together or what not feisty and gutsy) i know stupid request but i had a few people say that its supported because ubuntu doesnt warn you not to use them
[10:49] <gnomefreak> damn
[10:50] <gnomefreak> mvo2_: ^^^
[10:51] <ubotu> New bug: #121228 in network-manager (main) "Segfault retrieving passphrase for WiFi network" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121228
[10:51] <ubotu> New bug: #121229 in xfce4-radio-plugin (universe) "New upstream release (0.2.1)" [Wishlist,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121229
[10:51] <ubotu> New bug: #121231 in openoffice.org (main) "Extra line feeds on opening OOo document in Word or Abiword" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121231
[10:51] <rbs-tito> Does anyone know when an update for bug 84007 will be released?
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[11:01] <mikkael> ha thats a nice one


 AlexPortable  i wonder why you always have so many technicéal issues nobody has ever seen
[11:52]  * k1l wonders too
[23:17] <linuxlove> hello
[23:17] <linuxlove> k1l,why did you muted me?
[23:17] <linuxlove> because i need to help?
[23:18] <k1l> hi muted you in #ubuntu because you didnt show any intention on wanting technical support. you just wanted to rant about linux, ubuntu and the volunteers that help in #ubuntu
[23:18] <linuxlove> k1l, excuse me
[23:19] <k1l> after my last warning to only use #ubuntu for technical support you said: linuxlove> k1l, we are just chatting
[23:19] <linuxlove> could you remove muted please?
[23:19] <k1l> have you read the guidelines?
[23:19] <k1l> !guidelines
[23:19] <linuxlove> i know
[23:20] <linuxlove> do you remove muted or i have to go to other channels?
[23:20] <dax> are you going to chat offtopic in #ubuntu any more?
[23:20] <linuxlove> i said excuse me for that action
[23:20] <k1l> linuxlove: if you want to use #ubuntu you need to stick to the guidelines. they mention that "just chatting" is not suitable for #ubuntu
[23:21] <linuxlove> i said excuse me for public chat
[23:21] <dax> linuxlove: that doesn't answer my question. in the future, are you going to continue being offtopic or are you going to follow rules
[23:21] <linuxlove> just remove muted
[23:22] <dax> just answer question
[23:22] <linuxlove> i dont continue to offtopic
[23:22] <linuxlove> i follow rules
[23:23] <linuxlove> what should i do nw?
[23:24] <dax> linuxlove: I have removed your mute in #ubuntu.
[23:24] <linuxlove> dax, thanks
[23:28] <dax> @mark linuxlove


[01:01] <cjohnston> AlanBell: you need to set a commit message on https://code.launchpad.net/~alanbell/loco-directory/backbutton/+merge/73526 please
[01:48] <cjohnston> jono: any chance you can approve https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-summit and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-ltp please
[02:21] <cjohnston> jcastro: I believe that the intro and keynote is listed in the wrong room
[02:21] <jcastro> yeah I don't know why it's doing that
[02:22] <nigelb> Oh no.
[02:23] <nigelb> Mark Pilgrim disappeared from the internet.
[02:23] <nigelb> No more diveintopython, diveintohtml5, etc.
[02:26] <cjohnston> jcastro: fixed
[02:26] <jcastro> what was it?
[02:26] <cjohnston> assigned to the wrong room
[02:27] <jcastro> yeah but when I created the event there was no option for even assigning a room
[02:27] <jcastro> usually just making it plenary is good enough
[02:27] <cjohnston> dunno
[02:27] <cjohnston> we need to clean up the room stuff more betterer
[02:28] <cjohnston> jcastro: added Wednesday to http://uds.ubuntu.com/social-events/
[02:28] <jcastro> ooh nice
[02:28] <jcastro> we might have a movie night too!
[02:28] <cjohnston> i saw
[02:29] <jcastro> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/juju/2011-October/000844.html
[02:29] <jcastro> man, the builder has been stuck on 6 minutes for like 15 minutes
[02:29] <jcastro> I want to try this so bad
[02:29] <cjohnston> lol
[02:29] <nigelb> dammiy
[02:29] <nigelb> I feel bad missing this UDS now.
[02:30] <cjohnston> :-P
[02:30] <jcastro> "If I am not there they will assign me all the work items."
[02:30] <cjohnston> yup
[02:30] <nigelb> I will be there remotely anyway.
[06:00] <AlanBell> cjohnston: what do I put in a merge proposal commit message? Is it just a duplication of the description or is there some other kind of comment that should go there?
[06:00] <nigelb> AlanBell: commit message is what goes into bzr commit when merged
[06:00] <nigelb> description can be lengthier
[06:01] <nigelb> commit is smaller and concise
[06:01] <AlanBell> https://code.launchpad.net/~alanbell/loco-directory/backbutton/+merge/73526 so there are commit messages on the two commits that are in it
[06:02] <AlanBell> do I repeat those?
[06:02] <nigelb> no, what would be the commit message for the entire MP?
[06:03] <AlanBell> "yay, fixed it! wooot!"
[06:03] <nigelb> Something like "add the team name link in the subnav"
[06:03] <nigelb> lol, that is fun but hard to decipher while looking at trunk's histry
[06:03] <AlanBell> yeah
[06:03] <AlanBell> so there are three things in this merge really
[06:05]  * AlanBell adds a commit message
[06:56] <dholbach> good morning
[07:14] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:17] <dholbach> hi dpm, hi czajkowski
[07:18] <popey> Morning all!
[07:23] <dpm> hey dholbach, czajkowski and popey, good morning!
[07:33] <nigelb> dholbach: Not a serious accident I hope?
[07:35] <dholbach> nigelb, no, my brother was driving and he quickly hit the brakes when 5-6 cars in front of us braked hard - the guy behind us "touched us" in the back - the plastic of the rental car was dented and broken - the highway was quite busy so it could have been a lot lot worse
[07:35] <nigelb> dholbach: phew. Glad everything's okay :)
[07:36] <nigelb> Was it the autobahn? (Does it have speed limits now?)
[07:41] <jono> morning popey
[07:41] <nigelb> Hey jono!
[07:41] <jono> hey nigelb :-)
[07:42] <nigelb> Holidays are WIN
[07:44] <Tm_T> exactly why one should keep distance to front, especially on high traffic (:
[07:46] <dholbach> nigelb, yes, the Autobahn - it does have speed limits where it makes sense to drive slower (areas with just 2 lines, where construction is going on, etc.) - but lots of parts don't have limits
[07:46] <nigelb> dholbach: heh, must be a dream to drive on :)
[07:48] <dholbach> although I enjoy driving every now and then and enjoy driving faster, it's not necessarily a good thing - you're much more prone to accidents and for the environment it's also not a good thing either
[07:51] <nigelb> :)
[07:51] <nigelb> popey: *hug*
[07:51] <nigelb> popey: I like what you brought up at the CC meeting
[07:53] <popey> ta
[07:54] <popey> someone mentioned to me that increasing speed by 10-20MPH (say from 70 to 80) can increase fuel usage by ~30%
[07:55] <kim0> Morning folks
[07:55] <nigelb> Morning kim0
[07:55] <kim0> nigelb: hey man
[07:57] <dpm> morning kim0
[07:57] <nigelb> popey: I think there's a bit of burn out involved as well.
[07:57] <kim0> dpm: hey :)
[07:58] <nigelb> popey: Initially, I was very interested in applying for the Asia Board vacancy. Then, I realized I didn't have enough time.
[08:13] <nigelb> I'm liking how TB is now evenly split.
[08:14] <nigelb> 3 people working for Canonical and 3 people not working for Canonical.
[08:16] <Tm_T> meeting logs available?
[08:17] <nigelb> Tm_T: CC meeting? I can link you.
[08:17] <Tm_T> thanks
[08:18] <nigelb> Tm_T: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/10/04/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t21:05
[08:18] <Tm_T> ah, I was blind then, thanks
[08:19] <nigelb> heh
[08:26] <czajkowski> it was an interesting read
[08:26] <czajkowski> sorry I missed it, stupid connection last night was less than helpful
[08:27] <nigelb> czajkowski: I only noticed it because you thanked alan in meeting.
[08:27] <nigelb> Then I scrolled up and read the whole thing :)
[08:32] <dholbach> nigelb, can you get me out of the loco.u.c WEBADMIN variable with your next RT ticket?
[08:33] <dholbach> nigelb, the next cycle it will be impossible for me to make time for it
[08:33] <nigelb> dholbach: will do :)
[08:33] <nigelb> dholbach: *hugs*
[08:34] <dholbach> sorry about that, but the pace at which my todo list and list of plans for P is growing, I would outright lie to you if I stayed WEBADMIN :)
[08:34] <nigelb> heh
[08:34] <nigelb> We know how that goes :)
[08:34]  * dholbach hugs nigelb back
[08:35] <jono> kim0, nearly four thousand new uniques yesterday
[08:35] <kim0> jono: yes .. it's getting addictive ;)
[08:35] <jono> kim0, I know you can do it :-)
[08:35] <kim0> hehe
[08:37]  * kim0 grabs morning coffee
[08:41] <Tm_T> my comment on the struggle on finding the leaders: could it be that more and more it's not leading but "paperwork" due to the grown community and grown hierarchy?
[08:43] <Tm_T> I know I've been involved on Ubuntu since 2004 or 2005, and I've seen more and more of boards and councils
[08:43] <Tm_T> this is not bad btw, just part of the growth I think
[08:45] <popey> we dont have that many councils / boards really
[08:45] <Tm_T> I know
[08:46] <popey> given the number of people we have in the community
[08:46] <nigelb> 3 RMB, DMB, TB, CC, IRCC, FC, & LC
[08:46] <Tm_T> yes, but it is a change that do affect on how leaders or possible leaders do see their position
[08:48] <Tm_T> this is not criticism, just a thought what came to my mind while reading the meeting logs
[08:51] <Tm_T> IRC channel management is an example that I'm familiar with
[08:51] <Tm_T> back in the day, I was just asked if I wanted to be an op in a channel
[08:51] <Tm_T> nowadays? you apply, there's a council that makes the decision and I might not even know why I was picked or was not picked at all
[08:52] <czajkowski> true the irc bit always confuses me tbh. but that's me
[08:53] <Tm_T> I do think this is necessary change, but I also see how this can be seen a bit scary or seen too much of a hassle for some
[08:54] <czajkowski> Tm_T: I dont think scary is the rght term, possibly the unknown
[08:54] <czajkowski> but it is kinda necessary but not hassle if you enjoy it
[08:54] <Tm_T> czajkowski: indeed
[08:54] <czajkowski> me I love dealing with locoteams so I don't find it hassle it's really enjoyable to see how different teams operate
[08:54] <czajkowski> I may not agree with some of their decisions
[08:54] <czajkowski> but they do an interesting job of promoting Ubuntu
[08:55] <Tm_T> what I'm trying to say is, how this whole community works has changed during the years, and it has an impact on enthusiasm to lead
[08:55] <Tm_T> czajkowski: indeed
[08:56] <czajkowski> true
[08:56] <czajkowski> the community has grown
[08:56] <czajkowski> and not sure things are laid out as well as they could be in some areas
[08:56] <czajkowski> look at mozilla as a really good example
[08:56] <czajkowski> they have multiple "community" managers over different areas
[08:56] <Tm_T> also, I think we should find a way to provide a "growing path" for people from their locos to our bigger community
[08:56] <czajkowski> so one over mozilla reps like our Ubuntu members and have a team under that
[08:57] <czajkowski> I do feel the community team does a fantastic job and fair fecks to them with their work load, but it just seems always dev focused and not about the folks who don't dev any more
[08:59] <Tm_T> to be honest, I don't even know how I can get leaders within our loco
[08:59] <czajkowski> yeah ouir loco doesn't want a leader
[09:00] <czajkowski> which I think is good and bad
[09:00] <czajkowski> bad in some ways as it's a bit too lax which leads to frustartion amongst others who want more drive
[09:00] <czajkowski> yet it's worked for 4 years or so, but sometimes people get comfortable and don't want to change as well
[09:03] <Tm_T> in my loco, we used to have "lead figures" but some left, some are busy with other things more nowadays, and we didn't succeed (and failed to see the need) on growing new leaders
[09:06] <Tm_T> from a personal perspective: I feel bad I don't have more time nor skill for leading the loco
[09:09] <Tm_T> that's actually a bad situation when leaders feel that ^
[09:10] <czajkowski> Tm_T: so I've a guy in my loco who's non dev a
[09:10] <czajkowski> and really wants to add more structure and plan things more
[09:11] <czajkowski> but not everyone in the loco wants more structure
[09:11] <czajkowski> so he feels he hinders
[09:11] <czajkowski> so we point out no he's good he keeps us on track
[09:11] <czajkowski> you have to find a happy medium, no 2 locos are the same
[09:11] <Tm_T> indeed
[09:11] <czajkowski> neither can we say each leader should be doing x y and z
[09:11] <czajkowski> we can suggest by all means
[09:11] <czajkowski> and we do encourage some things to happen
[09:12] <czajkowski> thats why I love team reports
[09:12] <Tm_T> yup, every (sub)group (like loco) needs to find their own way of doing things
[09:12] <czajkowski> gives you an insight on how teams are doing each month
[09:14] <jussi> Structure is important, but we need to make sure we dont lose spontaneity and fluidity.
[09:16] <Tm_T> jussi: that
[09:16] <Tm_T> we also need to be able to communicate about the structure AND fluidity (:
[09:17] <Tm_T> meh, my thoughts are all big mess now
[09:21] <jono> quick question
[09:21] <jono> I have weekly team calls on G+
[09:21] <jono> do you think people would find it useful if they could watch?
[09:21] <jono> able to tune in but not speak
[09:21] <popey> team calls with whom?
[09:22] <jono> between my team
[09:22] <jono> to open them up a little bit
[09:22] <popey> ok, so within the team rather than between you and other teams
[09:22] <jono> yeah, within my own team
[09:22] <jono> jorge, daniel, dpm, kim0, and eric
[09:23] <popey> I'm not sure how useful that would be
[09:23] <jono> hence why I figured I would ask :-)
[09:23] <popey> but that is partly because I honestly have no clue what you guys talk about
[09:23] <popey> chicken/egg
[09:23] <jono> they would like this:
[09:23] <popey> is it even practical?
[09:23] <jono>  * I ask everyone to do a roundtable to discuss what they have been working on over the last week
[09:23] <popey> I mean don't you guys talk about confidential canonical stuff?
[09:24] <jono>  * I then usually have some administrative team topics and then some strategic topics
[09:24] <jono>  * then it is open to the team to raise topics
[09:24] <jono> sometimes, but not often
[09:24] <jono> but we could also reserve a the last 15mins or so for any confidential bits
[09:24] <popey> would your team be less likely to discuss stuff if it were broadcast openly?
[09:24] <jono> I doubt it
[09:25] <jono> this might be something we could try once and see if it works
[09:25] <jono> I also need to run it past the team
[09:25] <popey> yeah
[09:25] <popey> not sure how you'd technically do it
[09:25] <czajkowski> jono: you're up well past your bedtime
[09:25] <popey> hangouts can only have 10 people
[09:25] <jono> I would just open it to all on G+
[09:25] <jono> and mute folks
[09:25] <AlanBell> 10:25 < sabdfl> P is for...
[09:25] <AlanBell> 10:25 < sabdfl> tell you later ;-)
[09:25] <czajkowski> what happened the whole mumble server?
[09:25] <czajkowski> it kinda died a death
[09:25] <jono> AlanBell, aha, he is getting close
[09:25] <nigelb> AlanBell: lol
[09:25] <jono> I know what P is
[09:25] <jono> I think it is cool
[09:25] <jono> czajkowski, yeah, on a plane
[09:26] <nigelb> jono: dammit. DO NOT DO THAT!
[09:26] <jono> nigelb, LOL!
[09:26] <nigelb> Now I erally want to know
[09:26] <jono> czajkowski, public mumble server?
[09:26] <jono> popey, ahhh, nevermind
[09:26] <jono> I did ask Google for the special broadcast hangout, but they haven;t replied yet
[09:27] <popey> its technically difficult but not impossible
[09:27] <czajkowski> jono: aye that was "mumbled " about a while back
[09:27] <jono> czajkowski, yeah, not sure where that went
[09:27] <jono> I personally find Mumble doesn't work well for me
[09:27] <jono> I always get dropouts
[09:28] <jono> I know there were some technical challenges for delivering it to the community
[09:28] <czajkowski> jono: right but G+ arrived and everyone switched to that but limited to 10 to a hang out
[09:28] <czajkowski> I guess it's hard to please everyone
[09:28] <jono> czajkowski, yeah, G+ is awesome for small discussions, but it struggles to scale up
[09:29] <popey> chatroulette!
[09:29] <popey> maybe not
[09:29] <jono> lol
[09:42] <jussi> can you not use some live screencast sw to screencast jono's g+ ?
[09:43] <jussi> say on ustream?
[09:43] <popey> potentially
[09:43] <jussi> mind, I have no idea what sw does that apart from skype
[09:57] <akgraner> morning....
[09:59] <nigelb> mornin akgraner :)
[10:01] <akgraner> thanks nigelb.../me is working on finding my coffee cup so I can put a "good" in front of morning...right now it's like *blink*  *blink* *yawn* :-)
[10:01] <nigelb> akgraner: hehe, I know that feeling :)
[10:06] <jono> ok I think I am going to try and get some sleep
[10:06] <jono> night all
[10:06] <akgraner> jono, night...
[10:07] <nigelb> night jono :)
[10:07] <jono> night!
[11:46] <dpm> dholbach, when is the CC election?
[11:46] <popey> soon
[11:47] <popey> dholbach is prepping it today I believe
[11:47] <dholbach> soon
[11:54] <dpm> ok, thanks
[11:54] <mhall119> bonjour
[11:55] <mhall119> akgraner: +1000000 for coffee
[11:55] <akgraner> mhall119, :-)
[11:56] <akgraner> popey, I meant to tell you this yesterday - sorry for the delay - Thank you for having the courage to bring up the community brokenness topic yesterday
[11:57] <akgraner> and thank you to those that chimed in...I think it was and will be one of the most important discussions to date.
[11:58] <akgraner> I should have said "important public discussions" - thanks for putting it out there.
[12:11] <dholbach> dpm, kim0: is Jono around today or travelling already? (just asking because of the team call and because I'll have to go to the vet today)
[12:12] <kim0> I think he mentioned he won't make it
[12:12] <dpm> dholbach, he said he'd miss the call, if I understood it correctly
[12:12] <kim0> in that Boston email
[12:12] <kim0> yep
[12:12] <dholbach> alrightie
[12:12] <dpm> so you can safely go to the vet :)
[12:18] <dpm> kim0, looking at https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/gfxboot-theme-ubuntu/+pots/bootloader/ca/+translate?show=untranslated - do you know what enlist means in "Enlist with Ubuntu Orchestra Server"?
[12:18] <kim0> mm
[12:18] <mhall119> nigelb: is this for real? http://www.firstpost.com/business/indias-35-tablet-computer-will-prices-dive-further-98550.html
[12:19] <akgraner> enlist - like join?
[12:19] <popey> mhall119: yes
[12:20] <popey> it's been mooted for some while, originally it was supposed to be a laptop
[12:20] <mhall119> ah
[12:20]  * mhall119 wouldn't mind a $35 Android laptop either
[12:20] <nigelb> mhall119: apparently so.
[12:20] <nigelb> mhall119: I would have preferred OLPC
[12:21] <nigelb> This is a whole slew of support troubles waiting to happen.
[12:21] <dpm> akgraner, it might be, but I don't know if a system can join an Orchestra Server - kim0, would that make sense?
[12:21] <mhall119> OLPC XO is pretty slow, 400MHz processor
[12:21] <kim0> dpm: momento .. otp
[12:21] <nigelb> mhall119: But a $35 tablet can't be superfast either.
[12:21] <akgraner> dpm or is Enlist a new server something or another - like ensemble I mean juju
[12:21] <akgraner> :-P
[12:22] <dpm> kim0, no rush
[12:22] <dpm> akgraner, I'm quite lost when it comes to cloud, regardless of the names :)
[12:23] <nigelb> dpm: lol.
[12:23] <akgraner> dpm, that's why we have kim0 :-) (thank goodness - I am lost on that front too)
[12:23]  * kim0 hugs akgraner
[12:24] <kim0> dpm: so Orchestra has a listing of servers
[12:24] <kim0> an internal binding between their dns names, and their mac addresses
[12:24] <kim0> probably "enlist" here .. means add to that internal list
[12:24] <kim0> but I'm not exactly sure
[12:27] <nigelb> I'm officially regretting skipping this UDS with the testing BoF mail thread.
[12:27] <dpm> kim0, thanks, that makes it clearer
[12:30] <Pendulum> nigelb: there are about 5 things happening that make me regret missing this UDS. Unfortunately I don't have the money for the hotel (flights are cheap)
[12:31]  * AlanBell would like to go to the next UDS
[12:31] <nigelb> Pendulum: :(
[12:33] <kim0> cool
[12:34] <popey> AlanBell: wanna share a room? :D
[12:35] <nigelb> AlanBell: Ohh. I still am yet to meet you and popey. Next UDS hopefully :)
[12:35] <popey> :D
[13:20]  * czajkowski wishes she was going to UDS more than ever today :(
[13:35] <jcastro> woo I'm on a plane!
[13:35] <AlanBell> in flight?
[13:36] <czajkowski> jcastro: where are you invading ?
[13:37] <Pendulum> czajkowski: I think he's coming near me
[13:37] <jcastro> I am going to boston
[13:37] <Pendulum> jcastro: that is relatively near me :P
[13:38] <Pendulum> (and is where I thought you were going)
[13:38] <jcastro> looks like the hotel is next to the airport
[13:38] <jcastro> shucks
[13:38] <Pendulum> also, jcastro expect czajkowski to ask you to get her salt water taffy
[13:38] <Pendulum> czajkowski: I was at this big faire thing a couple weeks ago and there was salt water taffy and my parents actually asked if I wanted to get some for you
[13:39] <jcastro> I only except to do lobster related things
[13:39] <Pendulum> it's turning into a running thing in our family
[13:39] <jcastro> I want a huge lobster.
[13:39] <jcastro> and some clam chowdah
[13:39] <Pendulum> jcastro: *cough*LegalSeafood*cough*
[13:39] <Pendulum> (the best one is in the city near the NE Aquarium, but there's a good one at the airport as well)
[13:39] <jcastro> I have a Legal right next to my place in FL, I love it.
[13:40] <Pendulum> jcastro: how long are you in Boston for?
[13:40] <AlanBell> or a McLobster Sandwich
[13:40] <jcastro> 3 days and out I'm afraid
[13:40]  * jcastro is doing a part of Jane's keynote
[13:44] <czajkowski> Pendulum: aswwwwww
[13:57] <jcastro> kim0: so I tried LXC yesterday, but no luck
[13:57] <jcastro> have you tried it?
[13:58] <kim0> jcastro: not yet .. planning to though
[14:27] <kim0> Anyone got creative/cool ideas for cloud.u.c on launch day
[14:28] <czajkowski> puff of smoke
[14:28] <kim0> :)
[14:28] <czajkowski> smoke signals
[14:28] <czajkowski> int the sky
[14:28] <czajkowski> prety cloudd sign looking like the circle of friends
[14:29] <kim0> yeah we really need a graphics ninja
[14:29] <czajkowski> kim0: poke someone in canonical design team
[14:29] <czajkowski> they manage to whip things up fast
[14:30] <kim0> yeah .. if u guys get any ideas, lemme know
[14:31] <kim0> jcastro: any idea if Clint recorded the deployment he was doing yesterday
[14:31] <czajkowski> kim0: just ask the folks in ayatan who to ask ian farrel was on a plane yesterday
[14:32] <kim0> I mean apart from a graphic .. perhaps we can do something even better :)
[14:35] <czajkowski> kim0: if you flash folks are gonna cry
[14:36] <AlanBell> lol
[14:37] <Pendulum> and throw things
[14:42] <kim0> :)
[14:52] <czajkowski> I meant use flash
[14:52] <czajkowski> not flash folks
[14:52] <czajkowski> good lord
[15:04] <Pendulum> czajkowski: and I meant that if flash is used, at least one person will likely throw things at their computer ;-)
[15:05] <Pici> hah
[15:05] <czajkowski> oh yes true true
[15:09]  * popey has had no reply from AlanBell about his room sharing
[15:09]  * popey takes that as a "no" :D
[15:10] <czajkowski> hmm  600 quid sun-> sat
[15:10] <czajkowski> or 400 sunday->sunday
[15:10] <czajkowski> skyscanner is evil
[15:11] <dholbach> hey erward, jcastro
[15:14] <erward> good morning
[15:18] <kim0> erward: morning o/
[15:18] <dholbach> erward, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilerFlags is up to date now
[15:18] <erward> k
[15:35] <AlanBell> popey: room share sounds great :)
[15:39] <dholbach> hum, can you sign the CoC in LP if you don't have a gpg key associated with your profile?
[15:42] <czajkowski> dont think so
[15:42] <czajkowski> don't you have to sign it wiht that
[15:45] <dholbach> I just encountered 2 cases where it seems to be possible, which makes finding all email addresses of all ubuntu members even more painful :)
[15:45] <dholbach> and I'm not done yet
[15:45] <nigelb> dholbach: One could be a robot
[15:45] <czajkowski> dholbach: oh do not get me started on that
[15:45] <nigelb> There's a robot Ubuntu member :)
[15:45] <nigelb> (uploader)
[15:45] <nigelb> err
[15:45] <czajkowski> annoying thing: team contacts and having their email address HIDDEN!!!
[15:45] <nigelb> importer
[15:45] <czajkowski> not very helpful
[15:45] <dholbach> nigelb, I removed that from the list already
[15:46] <nigelb> dholbach: ah :)
[15:46] <dholbach> there's more
[15:46] <jussi> dholbach: you sure they havent signed the coc and then removed the gpg key from their profile?
[15:46] <dholbach> that might be possible
[16:25] <popey> dholbach: cant you just use their launchpad ID @ ubuntu.com ?
[16:29] <dholbach> popey, no, some people changed their LP ID afterwards, etc
[16:29] <popey> but their email address changes too
[16:29] <popey> i did that
[16:32] <dholbach> ie: ~ben-collins vs<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:34] <dholbach> but that might be because of a Canonical accouint
[16:34] <dholbach> account
[16:37] <akgraner> LP is horrible for snagging email address  - and if someone their email address is hidden for get getting it
[16:38] <akgraner> you can only email 3 people per day to ask them for it
[16:38] <akgraner> if you try 4 you're locked out for 24 hours
[16:39] <popey> how many are you missing dholbach ?
[16:42] <duanedesign> hello Mario 'dholbach' Andretti ;)
[16:43] <dholbach> duanedesign, hm?
[16:43] <dholbach> popey, 73 - I'll do the rest tomorrow
[16:44] <dholbach> popey, I'll probably ask the LP team if I can rely on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>:)
[16:53] <dholbach> see you all tomorrow!
[16:53]  * dholbach calls it a day
[16:55] <nigelb> g'nite dholbach!
[17:46] <daker> anyone having this bug http://i.imgur.com/l5qxJ.png ?
[19:07] <popey> "Precise Pangolin" huh.
[19:10] <pleia2> very hard to find a stuffed animal pangolin
[19:10] <jussi> what the heck is a pangolin?
[19:11] <pleia2> kinda like an armadillo, but not
[19:11] <pleia2> earlier this month one of my loco guys was like "maybe it'll be a pangolin!" and I said "noo, there are no stuffed animal pangolins!" ;)
[19:12] <pleia2> when you search for stuffed pangolin you get the wrong kind of stuffed animal :\
[19:18] <popey> there's a market there then :D
[19:18] <popey> Quick! Design one!
[19:22] <popey> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PANGOLIN-New-2009-UNIQUE-FREE-SHIP-w-25-SAFARI-/230537943351?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35ad21d937#ht_2187wt_1165
[19:23] <popey> eww
[19:23] <popey> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Miao-Silver-ladys-fantasy-pangolin-shape-earrings-MI593PF-/260864750440?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cbcc03368#ht_2961wt_1165
[19:32] <pleia2> yeah, might have to go with plastic one
[19:33] <pleia2> you can get a phone case! http://www.etsy.com/listing/23300219/pongo-the-pangolin-case
[19:33] <pleia2> hehe
[19:43] <PreciseOne> "I can also vouch for their toughness; pangolin’s regularly survive encounters with lions." <--- little dig at Apple ;)
[19:59] <mhall119> yeah, I wondered that too
[19:59] <mhall119> maybe not so much a dig, as recognition
[20:00] <mhall119> What's with the new trend of "OMG, ubuntu development codenames are up for a public vote!"?
[20:00] <mhall119> aren't
[20:01] <akgraner> Precise Pangolin - seriously
[20:01] <mhall119> it's almost enough to make me miss the "OMG, nobody will ever take an operating system seriously when it's codenamed after an animal, that's why I'm sticking with OS X $feline"
[20:01] <akgraner> I have to pronounce that....
[20:01] <mhall119> akgraner: "precise" is easier than "oneiric"
[20:01] <akgraner> well that's true
[20:02] <mhall119> we usually only used the adjective anyway
[20:02] <akgraner> I stopped saying the codenames with oneiric -   I'll just use 12.04 - like I use 11.10 when I am talking about it
[20:02] <mhall119> it also allows us to make bad jokes: "What version of Ubuntu you running?", "Precisely".
[20:03] <akgraner> mhall119, that's  set up for a bad "who's on first"
[20:03] <mhall119> like there's a "good" one
[20:53] <czajkowski> jono: ping
[20:53] <jono> hey czajkowski
[20:54] <czajkowski> jono: ready for our call ?
[20:54] <jono> czajkowski, apologies I am not going to make this one
[20:54] <jono> I am currently in Boston
[20:54] <jono> I wasnt sure if you were still joining the calls, as we hadnt done the last few, so I didnt mail
[20:54] <jono> apologies
[20:55] <czajkowski> jono: aye the last time I was online as well but nobody called, maybe it should be removed from the cal then as I've just come home for the call again
[20:55] <jono> czajkowski, would still love you to join them, but I remember looking for you for the last few and didnt see you so I assume you were not around
[20:57] <czajkowski> maybe next cycle it can be more concrete like it used to be, agenda and items to go through
[21:05] <czajkowski> Joeb454: also I'm always on irc skype sometimes signs me out but always poking me here first grabs my attention
[21:05] <czajkowski> jono even
[21:24] <Joeb454> czajkowski: I'll keep that in mind if I ever need you for something ;)
[21:30] <popey> heh
[23:50] <akgraner> Steve Jobs Dies: Apple Chief Created Personal Computer, iPad, iPod - http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/steve-jobs-apple-ceo-dies/story?id=14383813
[23:56] <akgraner> http://www.apple.com/


[00:32] <nhandler> Did they get rid of whiteboards for bzr branches?
[00:38] <jml> they did.
[00:39] <nhandler> Thanks jml
[00:42] <wgrant> jml: They're being reincarnated as descriptions soon, aren't they?
[00:43] <jml> that's right.
[00:43] <jml> you'll need write permissions on the branch to edit the descriptions.
[00:43] <jml> so in that way they won't be like whiteboards.
[00:44] <nhandler> Well, that seems logical enough to me
[00:44] <wgrant> Ah.
[00:44] <wgrant> It does.
[00:46] <nhandler> Is there any estimate about when this feature will be implemented wgrant ?
[00:47] <wgrant> nhandler: I'm no LP person.
[00:48] <wgrant> The bug is also not milestoned.
[00:48] <wgrant> So I have no idea.
[00:50] <nhandler> wgrant: That first statement isn't 100% true.  :-P
[00:52] <wgrant> nhandler: True, true...
[00:53] <mwhudson> i think, "fairly soon"
[00:53] <mwhudson> but allhands and uds are going to mess all this up, of course
[00:55] <wgrant> Is AllHands immediately after UDS?
[00:56] <spm> before
[00:56] <wgrant> Oh.
[00:58] <ajmitch> I heard it starts next week or so
[00:58] <ajmitch> so there'll be less (sober) people around to bug about stuff
[01:25]  * wgrant wonders if the ignore subscription feature might be increasing in priority soon
[01:27] <spm> wgrant: that's what dev/null and procmail were invented for ;-)
[01:27] <wgrant> spm: It is, but apparently some people won't use those...
[01:40] <ojwb> hi - i had a PPA build fail on hardy because it has a build-dep on debhelper 7, so I enabled hardy-backports and retried, but now it has a build score of 0 and is estimating 4 days to start building.  The retry page said I could request the priority to be raised - is this the place to ask?
[01:51] <wgrant> ojwb: It's the right place, but I'm not sure anybody relevant is around.
[01:51] <wgrant> Unless spm can do it.
[01:52] <spm> I can
[01:52] <spm> ojwb: link?
[01:52] <wgrant> ojwb: There's a bug at the moment which means a test rebuild of the Ubuntu archive is taking priority over retries.
[01:54] <ojwb> spm: https://launchpad.net/~xapian-backports/+archive/ppa
[01:55] <ojwb> libsearch-xapian-perl - <IP_ADDRESS>-1.99hardy  for amd64 and i386
[01:55] <ajmitch> ojwb: hello
[01:55] <ojwb> hi ajmitch
[01:56] <ojwb> while I'm here, is there a way to only enable backports for a particular version?  i.e. just for hardy?
[01:56] <wgrant> I don't think so. What I might do is copy debhelper from hardy-backports in the primary archive to hardy in your PPA.
[01:56] <ojwb> ah, good idea
[01:57] <wgrant> There's even a convenient web UI to do that, somewhere...
[01:57] <ojwb> "Copy packages" I guess
[01:58] <ojwb> hmm, except that's "copy from here"
[01:58] <wgrant> Yep.
[01:58]  * wgrant is constructing a URL that hopefully won't time out.
[01:59] <spm> wgrant: you wouldn't happen to know what priority the rebuilds have atm? or even better - point me at a URL that shows what's in the queues?
[01:59] <wgrant> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+copy-packages?field.name_filter=debhelper&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=hardy
[02:00] <wgrant> spm: 4, I think.
[02:00] <spm> wgrant: ta. lets try 500 then as new build score
[02:00] <wgrant> ojwb: Copy debhelper from that URL.
[02:01] <wgrant> spm: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/test-rebuild-20090513/+builds
[02:01] <wgrant> 4 it is.
[02:01] <spm> ojwb: that looks better. ~ 42 mins and 24mins
[02:01] <ojwb> spm: marvellous
[02:02] <spm> wgrant: ta, appreciated!
[02:05] <ojwb> wgrant: yep, that worked, thanks
[02:06] <wgrant> ojwb: Excellent.
[02:11] <aboudreault> as soon as i upload a x version..... if i do another upload, i should absolutly change it ? like xbuild2. Even if the other one didn't build and the new one is the correction. Am I right ?
[02:12] <wgrant> aboudreault: Yes.
[02:12] <mwhudson> aboudreault: yes
[02:13] <aboudreault> Ok.
[08:19] <knielsen> hm, is there any way to get revid: revision ids in branch notification emails? the bzr revision numbers are mostly useless as they can mutate at any time ...
[09:59] <davidbarth> intellectronica: ping? got some time for a mailing list issue in LP?
[13:48] <fta> how often superseded packages are removed? (in PPAs)
[14:07] <maxb> Removed from Packages/Sources? Removed from ppa.launchpad.net? Removed from the librarian?
[14:07] <maxb> fta: ^
[14:07] <fta> https://edge.launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa
[14:08] <fta> my last update was rejected (full)
[14:08] <fta> seems it contains everything from the last 3 days
[14:09] <fta> Rejected: PPA exceeded its size limit (20830.00 of 20480.00 MiB).
[14:10] <fta> but i don't really need more space, i just want older stuff to disappear sooner
[14:10] <VK7HSE> fta: Delete it!
[14:11] <fta> well, archives are good to have, but not when they lead to rejects
[14:11] <fta> no, delete is bad, it drops everything, including history
[14:12] <VK7HSE> when you delete it move what you have deleted to the librarian... thus out of your ppa...
[14:13] <fta> last time i tried, it trashed my history
[14:13] <fta> my initial question was how long should i wait to regain the space?
[14:14] <VK7HSE> but the way you have named some of your builds they don't all supersede one another... :-/
[14:17] <fta> ?
[14:17] <fta> they should
[14:18] <VK7HSE> sorry I had the filter set to all! I'm wrong!
[14:18] <fta> i don't want to have several versions of a given deb for a given dist+arch couple
[14:18] <VK7HSE> understand that! :)
[15:05] <aboudreault> If i know that my package (which is currently uploaded on launchpad:hardy) build perfectly in intrepid also, without any change. I suppose that I can do a simple "Copy packages"
[15:06] <aboudreault> When are we allowed to select "Rebuild the copied sources" option?
[15:06] <maxb> Only when copying to a different *archive*
[15:07] <maxb> Not when copying between series within an archive
[15:07] <aboudreault> archive ? You mean PPA ?
[15:08] <maxb> That's what the A of PPA stands for
[15:08] <aboudreault> yeah, wanted to be sure ;)
[15:08] <aboudreault> So the other will simply copy the binaries. without rebuild.
[15:09] <aboudreault> Ok, thx
[15:09] <warp10> If I change my launchpad primary address, my @ubuntu.com is automatically redirected to the new address, isn't it?
[15:47] <tsimpson> warp10: yes, but not instantly
[15:47] <warp10> tsimpson: ok, great. Thank you!
[17:11] <sayakb> hai! There seems to be a spam attack on the ~64-bit team ML since the last few weeks. Is there anything that can be done?
[17:11] <sayakb> the "From" address is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>which probably means that the spammer is subscribed to the list
[17:13] <maxb> I do not think that follows
[17:15] <sayakb> well, even if it doesn't, I'd want to somehow stop this spam, as it's flooding my mailbox
[17:38] <RichiH> hi
[17:39] <RichiH> i just learned of the existance of https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zsh
[17:39] <RichiH> problem is, no one ever reads that
[17:39] <RichiH> is there a way to have everything in there forwarded to a mailing list?
[17:40] <RichiH> all dev works happens on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:40] <RichiH> with a bug buffer on sourceforge, but that is mostly useless as bugs tend to be fixed rather fast and features get a definite aye or nay within a few days
[17:42] <beuno> BjornT, ^
[17:42] <beuno> RichiH, you could subscribe to the bugmail
[17:42] <beuno> RichiH, as a dirty hack, you could create a user with that ML as an email
[17:42] <beuno> and subscribe that user  :)
[17:43] <RichiH> hmmk
[17:43] <BjornT> beuno, RichiH: that's basically what you have to do. although a team is better than a user.
[17:43] <RichiH> there is no way to forbid non-ubuntu-packaging-related reports?
[17:43] <beuno> ah! right
[17:44] <beuno> teams
[17:44] <beuno> RichiH, how would you do that?
[17:44] <RichiH> so i register at launchpad, some admin gives me the rights to a team called zsh or similar and i then do $stuff to make launchpad spew stuff onto the ml
[17:44] <RichiH> ?
[17:44] <RichiH> beuno: good question as that is non-trivial :)
[17:45] <RichiH> but i thought i'd ask
[17:45] <beuno> RichiH, yes, register in launchpad, create a team, and subscribe the team
[17:45] <beuno> I'll be happy to walk you through it
[17:47] <RichiH> seems i regged in 02.12.2006 at 16:56 *shrug*


[06:31] <Katie-CentOS> Good afternoon everyone!!!
[07:09] <vliam> is my understanding true? MBR is the one that determine where to find the /boot/grub/menu.lst ?? so it is better to have /boot as a separate partition, if i want multiple linux running in a PC with only one harddisk ?
[07:22] <vliam> hmm.... finally i found a link for my concern, http://rxezlqu.wordpress.com/2010/04/07/separate-boot-partition-vs-dedicated-boot-partition/


[09:19] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Single Tasking Day! :-D
[19:24] <LaurenF> Hello. I have a bug iwth Ubuntu One on Windows 7 64bit. When I click "Open the Ubuntu One folder" from the popup menu opened by the system tray icon, nothing happens.
[19:26] <LaurenF> Synchronisation is working. Files in this folder are correctly synchornised.
[19:31] <dobey> LaurenF: please file a bug
[19:32] <LaurenF> dobey: I will do that. Thank you for confirming it's not a generally known issue (Google could not find people with similar problems)
[19:33] <dobey> i don't know if it is or not. but it sounds like a bug, and bugs should be filed :)