[01:17] <Unit193> It's a bit slick out there :P
[01:53] <paultag> Cheri703_: thanks for that link! :)
[01:54] <paultag> Cheri703_: http://github.com/paultag/python-charlie
[01:54] <paultag> Cheri703_: I just wrote a python lib to get T (our RTA) data
[02:03] <jrgifford> paultag: heck yeah!!
[02:10] <jrgifford> wonder how difficult it'd be to make something like that for RTA...
[02:10] <paultag> jrgifford: heyya :)
[02:10] <paultag> jrgifford: I have no idea :)
[02:10] <paultag> but it's nice, I can get where every single train is, and their RTA
[02:10] <paultag> erm, ETA
[02:11] <jrgifford> well, rta uses google transit.
[02:11] <jrgifford> so in theory i could scrape google transit.
[02:11] <jrgifford> (if they have an API)
[02:12] <paultag> oh no
[02:12] <paultag> google transit is pulling from a live stream thinger
[02:13] <jrgifford> ?
[02:13] <paultag> you mean to say google transit is using rta's live stream :)
[02:13] <paultag> google can't magic that data from every city in the US :)
[02:13] <paultag> it's also a standard format, I seem to recall
[02:13] <paultag> it's not what the MBTA uses, but it's a standard
[02:15] <paultag> p.s. - holy shit, the RTA is huge
[02:15] <paultag> http://www.riderta.com/pdf/maps/System_Map_Main.pdf
[02:16] <jrgifford> I wonder if @gcrta will answer a tweet asking about an API.
[02:17] <paultag> jrgifford: you should ask
[02:18] <jrgifford> done.
[02:19] <paultag> jrgifford: RT'd
[02:20] <jrgifford> you stalker. :P
[02:21] <jrgifford> paultag: http://code.google.com/p/googletransitdatafeed/wiki/PublicFeeds, http://www.riderta.com/gtfs/latest/
[02:22] <paultag> jrgifford: Ahhh, GTFS! That's it
[02:22] <paultag> it's timing out here, though
[02:24] <paultag> Ahh, got it
[02:24] <jrgifford> eek.
[02:24] <jrgifford> wish it was in json.
[02:24] <jrgifford> or even xml
[02:25] <paultag> jrgifford: it's CSV
[02:26] <jrgifford> oh ok. there are some half-decent ruby libs for that. :)
[02:26] <paultag> jrgifford: it's still not realtime, though
[02:26] <jrgifford> paultag: thats true. :(
[02:27] <paultag> but you should still be able to get it working
[02:56] <paultag> jrgifford: got a tweet back :)
[02:57] <paultag> jrgifford: CC me if you email (use our @ubuntu emails, perhaps they'd like that)
[03:00] <Unit193> Hey paultag, saw your name in a debian topic over at OFTC :P
[03:01] <paultag> Unit193: oh crap, wait, what?
[03:01] <paultag> Unit193: which channel?
[03:01] <paultag> fuck, oh no
[03:01]  * Unit193 checks back
[03:02] <paultag> oh -expats
[03:02] <paultag> perhaps?
[03:04] <Unit193> Yeah, is that debian though?
[03:05] <paultag> ubuntu-expats
[03:06] <paultag> it's not really debian, and I only set the topic
[03:06] <paultag> if it was something else, I'd like to know :)
[03:06] <Unit193> I'm not on OFTC, just checking out netsplit.de
[03:07] <Unit193> Only Coldfront and Freenode
[03:08] <paultag> let me know if you find the channel :)
[03:10] <Unit193> I think that's it
[03:17] <paultag> kk :)
[03:17] <Unit193> What? I'm not OFTC or debian (yet), why do I have to remember? :P
[06:41] <Cheri703_> paultag: I thought of you since it was a. boston, and b. writing an app :)
[06:42] <Cheri703_> the google public transit is actually quite an ordeal to set up the data in a way it can recognize
[06:42] <Cheri703_> (I looked into it for our local transit)
[12:00] <jrgifford> paultag: i'll prepare the email soonish. not today though, i'm busy all day. :)
[13:39] <paultag> jrgifford: ^5
[13:40] <paultag> Cheri703: yeah, totally! :)
[13:40] <paultag> Cheri703: well I already wrote a python lib for subway data, so it'd not be a big step to hack something up :)
[18:04] <Cheri703> paultag: nice :) I hope you win!
[19:10] <paultag> Cheri703: :)
[19:12] <Cheri703> how are thing paultag?
[19:14] <paultag> Cheri703: things are great, thanks for asking
[19:14] <paultag> one second
[19:14] <Cheri703> that's good :)
[19:16] <paultag> back :)
[19:16] <paultag> Cheri703: my new job is flipping awesome
[19:16] <paultag> Cheri703: what about you?
[19:16] <Cheri703> very cool, I'm looking for something other than what I have
[19:17] <Cheri703> I'm working, but I basically hate it, and it doesn't pay enough
[19:17] <paultag> lame :(
[19:25] <canthus13> Cheri703: pays better than not working. :P
[19:25] <Cheri703> true, but....still
[19:25]  * canthus13 nods.
[19:25] <Cheri703> STILL waiting to hear about that one job, strongly considering applying for one in portland
[19:26] <canthus13> Cheri703: How much are they paying, if you don't mind me asking?
[19:26] <Cheri703> $9.25/hour to deal with idiots all day
[19:26] <canthus13> Cheri703: Ew. come work here, get paid 14.05/hr to start to deal with idiots all day. :)
[19:27] <Cheri703> hehe, that does sound more appealing >.> /me will contemplate, but if I am doing a relocation, I'd probably want to be moving in the direction I'd eventually like to go, vs a more lateral move
[19:27]  * canthus13 nods.
[19:27] <Cheri703> (the place I'm waiting on is more the direction I'm interested in)
[19:27] <Cheri703> ok, so...now I have to get ready to go :/ am going in an hour early for overtime today, and need to grab some lunch on the way
[19:36] <paultag> :\
[23:25] <uriel19981> .... just checking to see if I migrated settings properly from xchat to pidgin.


[00:35] <ezakimak> what package provides the 'file' command?
[00:36] <sarnold> $ dpkg -S /usr/bin/file
[00:36] <sarnold> file: /usr/bin/file
[00:36] <ezakimak> this system doesn't have it installed
[00:36] <ezakimak> thus why I ask, dpkg can't solve it
[00:39] <ezakimak> found it. nm. apt-file search.
[01:33] <donofrio> why extend LTS to ten years and not include all ARCH's?  tinyurl.com/ubuntu10yearslts (looks like no ppc32/64be and no x86-32?)
[01:38] <skoobasteeve> 32bit and PPC is a whole nother can of worms
[01:38] <skoobasteeve> credit where credit is due they are doing what they can
[02:31] <Firefishe> Does anyone have any information on using ubunto (any flavor) with a M$ Surface Book 3 laptop?  The keyboard and touchpad and touch screen don't function, so I wonder if anyone has a ppa compiled module that could be inserted at boot time for this functionality?
[02:31] <Firefishe> ubuntU rahter
[02:31] <Firefishe> rather
[02:33] <skoobasteeve> Firefishe: Don't have experience with that model but I know it's generally difficult on those devices
[02:33] <skoobasteeve> you can check here and see if they're working on it
[02:33] <skoobasteeve> https://github.com/linux-surface/linux-surface
[02:34] <Firefishe> skoobasteeve: Thank you.
[03:27] <england_bound> hello
[03:30] <yukiup> Hi
[03:30] <england_bound> how are you?
[03:30] <yukiup> good
[03:30] <yukiup> itchy
[03:31] <england_bound> i feel that. try calamine lotion
[03:34] <Firefishe> skoobasteeve: Well, I read up a bit.  I'm compiling a custom kernel now.  Wish me luck.  I haven't done this in about a decade.
[03:34] <england_bound> i have no idea how to do it, since im new to computers. Sounds fun
[03:35] <Firefishe> skoobasteeve: I'm just hoping the modules load properly at boot time.
[03:35] <england_bound> fair enough
[03:35] <Firefishe> england_bound: Are you talking to me?
[03:36] <Firefishe> Too bad.  I wanted to tell him/her/they to try compiling a kernel.  It's fun and frustrating.  Good computer stuff! ;-) LOL
[07:35] <wwwi> hello
[07:35] <wwwi> do you need a domain name, to use postfix?
[07:49] <ducasse> for incoming mail, yes
[08:03] <wwwi> ducasse, I see, thanks.
[08:05] <ducasse> wwwi: be aware that you also most likely can't use it on a home connection
[08:08] <wwwi> ducasse, I see, useful information, thank you.
[08:09] <wwwi> ducasse, what kind of connection do I need?
[08:09] <ducasse> wwwi: most isps block the necessary ports on home connections and the ip ranges are blacklisted, so you need a business connection or a rented server
[08:10] <wwwi> ducasse, I see.
[08:12] <ducasse> wwwi: a fair amount of vps providers are blacklisted too, so research before you buy
[08:12] <ducasse> and an email server is not the easiest thing to run
[08:29] <wwwi> ducasse, I see. Thanks.
[08:32] <kylesinlynn> Oh shit
[08:59] <BrianHechinger[m> Does anyone know the ETA for nvidia-proprietary drivers 470.74 to hit the graphics ppa?
[09:24] <vuurdraak> is there anything special about that driver, im currently using 470.63.01
[11:03] <nborisov> hello is there a way to get  newer networkmanager on focal?
[11:04] <nborisov> current one is 1.22 i'd like 1.30 or 1.32 ?
[11:07] <tarzeau_> nborisov: backport a later version?
[11:07] <nborisov> tarzeau_, well has anyone already done this so i can simply install a package?
[11:09] <nborisov> let me reconnect just real quick
[11:19] <tarzeau_> nborisov: is that 20.04 ? or which one?
[11:19] <nborisov> 20.04 yes
[11:20] <gunnakaa> hello I quite nev user of Ubuntu and I am trying to get the tinc vpn to work. I hawe an problem to make username by following the description on the Ubunto store. Am also trying to connect to the tinc nettvork that is not happening anything. Are there an correct way of type in the terminal acording to get an username in tinc-vpn?
[11:20] <gunnakaa> sorry my hopless english :/
[11:22] <nborisov> tarzeau_, so yeah, 20.04
[11:25] <gunnakaa> Yes Ubuntu 20.04 is what I am running
[11:25] <tarzeau_> nborisov: you first have to figure in which packgae it is, i think?  dpkg -S `which NetworkManager`
[11:25] <nborisov> well i know it - it's network-manager
[11:26] <tarzeau_> nborisov: i usually do something like this: dget http://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/network-manager/network-manager_1.30.6-1.dsc; dpkg-source net*.dsc; cd net*/; debuild
[11:27] <tarzeau_> you might want to take http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/n/network-manager/network-manager_1.32.10-0ubuntu1.dsc
[11:27] <tarzeau_> if that looks impossible, fall back to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/n/network-manager/network-manager_1.30.0-1ubuntu3.dsc
[11:27] <tarzeau_> or upgrade to hirsute for 1.30, or impish for 1.32
[12:04] <fdan> i get this error since today
[12:04] <fdan> Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[12:04] <fdan> what could be the issue
[12:06] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:06] <alkisg> !paste
[12:06] <alkisg> fdan: it means the server can't be contacted. If you put the whole output to a pastebin, we'll tell you which server that is
[12:07] <oerheks> without errors in a pastebin, we guess
[12:07] <oerheks> and tell us what ubuntu version
[12:11] <fdan> https://dpaste.org/Dzib
[12:12] <oerheks> oh, join #debian for that..
[12:12] <oerheks> 'our' ppa seems not to be the problem
[12:19] <alkisg> fdan: like oerheks says, you're using debian, not ubuntu; join #debian and ask there...
[12:19] <fdan> ok
[12:59] <kernel> greetings
[13:28] <lotuspsychje> welcome kernel
[14:26] <jmaselbas> hi, I am looking for a stress-ng maintainer, I don't know where to search.
[14:28] <oerheks> jmaselbas, colin king; https://snapcraft.io/stress-ng
 "is there anything special..." <- Liquorix upgraded to 5.14 and while 470.63 does install it gives me a black screen.
[15:04] <oerheks> for what nvidia card?
[16:14] <BrianHechinger[m> 3080Ti
[16:16] <ghostnik11> can anyone help me with trying to get back to my system. i used a boot-repair disk to try and fix the issue but still i keep booting to grub-rescue
[16:16] <ghostnik11> https://pastebin.com/G4cN7yDe
[16:18] <ghostnik11> is it possible to wipe out the uefi off of a system? like just get rid of it all together b/c it keeps giving me problems when i have to install ubuntu or any linux os. its one of those 32 bit uefi built on top of a 64bit architecture
[16:19] <alkisg> Press del to enter setup, check for CSM or Legacy mode
[16:22] <ghostnik11> alkisg: i have it set up for no uefi but just getting ubuntu to install is too much of a headache. i want it to be erased and just back to normal or is it impossible due to the bios?
[16:25] <alkisg> No, it should be easy; format the disk in mbr, not in gpt then
[16:25] <oerheks> all 32 bit uefi machines i know, cannot be switched
[16:26] <oerheks> i wonder how you get 64 bit linux running on that
[16:30] <ghostnik11> oerheks: i have had 64 bit running for many years on it. but i got it installed and now i wanted to update and installed a new version of ubuntu but now i keep getting grub rescue and when i try from live disk to drop down to command prompt and boot via the linux and initrd commands. i then get stuck at intrams
[16:31] <ghostnik11> oerheks: alkisg: i think its b/b they created this garbage uefi with 32 bit on top of 64 architecture.
[16:31] <ghostnik11> oerheks: there is no purpose to uefi, other than to make it harder for people to install linux
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> BrianHechinger[m: did you try other kernel/nvidia driver version combo?
[16:34] <oerheks> it is just a cheap machine that did not want to pay for 64 bit uefi
[16:34] <oerheks> and send us the issues
[16:35] <BrianHechinger[m> lotuspsychje: 460 doesn't work with 5.14 (not without a patch) but it works fine with 5.13. I've not tried 470.63 with any other kernels though, no
[16:35] <oerheks> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[16:35] <oerheks> grub-efi-ia32
[16:35] <oerheks> that is your bug
[16:36] <ghostnik11> oerheks: yeah i seen that. it keeps giving this: /sbin/grub-install: error: failed to register the EFI boot entry: No such file or directory.
[16:36] <lotuspsychje> BrianHechinger[m: whats your current ubuntu release?
[16:36] <BrianHechinger[m> 21.04
[16:36] <lotuspsychje> BrianHechinger[m: are you testing wayland or xorg?
[16:37] <BrianHechinger[m> I'm on Xorg (Ubuntu Studio)
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> ah kk
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic hirsute
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> try this kernel BrianHechinger[m and switch driver versions on your current kernel
[16:38] <BrianHechinger[m> I can go back to generic or liquorix 5.13, it's just not super critical right now so I was curious if 470.74 would make things work
[16:38] <BrianHechinger[m> but, it's not available in the ppa yet
[16:38] <BrianHechinger[m> and I don't know of another sane way to install it
[16:39] <oerheks> 470 is published for hirsute https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-470/470.63.01-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[16:39] <BrianHechinger[m> that's 470.63
[16:39] <BrianHechinger[m> but now lotuspsychje has me interested if 470.63 works with generic or not.
[16:40] <oerheks> 2 days old, wait for it
[16:41] <BrianHechinger[m> Right, which is why I was asking about an ETA. :)
[16:42] <BrianHechinger[m> Until Proton fully supports RTX/DLSS I have to reboot to play CP2077 anyway, so like I said, not a critical issue. :D
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> seems like these days ubuntu nvidia driver versions match the graphics ppa equaly
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> !nvidia
[16:44] <lotuspsychje> BrianHechinger[m: usualy we advice the latest driver(s) for big RTX cards
[16:47] <ghostnik11> oerheks: okay i think i will find a way to fix it. b/c i remembered i installed ubuntu 16.04 in the past with no problems. i will follow this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/815618/how-to-resolve-this-grub-efi-ia32-error-in-asus-t100-of-16-04
[16:51] <ghostnik11> oerheks: also when i had tried to after running ubiquity -b. after that i did try to install the bootloader but it froze the system when it came to install grub
[16:51] <BrianHechinger[m> So I don't understand reddit timestamps but it looks like 470.63 was released about a month ago and the ppa build is 4 weeks old so it shouldn't be long to wait.
[17:56] <Guest22> Hi all, what would be the route to take if you have a ubuntu host and a windows 7 QEMU/libvirt guest and wanted to give internet access to the guest but restrict what can come in on a whitelist basis?
[17:56] <Guest22> so like everything is blocked perhaps like a firewall unless allowed through
[17:56] <Guest22> or at the least, the ability for the host to block certain ports etc?
[18:04] <coconut> Guest22, Timekpr or CTParental perhaps?
[18:07] <Guest22> hmm
[18:07] <Guest22> ill have a look
[18:07] <Guest22> thx
[18:11] <fedorafan_altern> hey guys i copy some stuff over wifi from ubuntu to mac osx and now i cant open cause of the permissions
[18:53] <fedorafan_altern> are you all dead
[19:16] <Intelo> Is there a package in ubuntu/  thing that can make a function/flow/chain textual or diagram for me?  I wish I could see function call chains in type of diagram generated by my code. It's nicer to visuallize. like a(p1,p2) -> b() -> c() so one
[19:20] <sarnold> Intelo: I know I've seen something *simple* in debian a decade ago or something, but wow it's hard to find it again now
[19:21] <sarnold> Intelo: I used a beta of this perhaps eight years back, it was pretty neat, https://www.sourcetrail.com/
[19:30] <Intelo> sarnold truely fantastic. free. but doesn't supports my langauge : javascript/typescript
[19:30] <sarnold> oh man, that's probably a very difficult language to support
[19:31] <sarnold> granted, it probably needs such a tool way more than C..
[19:31] <zinanis> hello
[19:34] <Intelo> sarnold maybe its dynamic.
[19:35] <Intelo> sarnold nice tip though. any other keywords or tools to consider?
[19:35] <sarnold> Intelo: all my apt-cache search queries were things like "call graph" "code graph" etc. but those returned *so* many results
[19:36] <Intelo> hm
[20:06] <zph1nx> Hello, i am trying to automate my install with autoinstall in 20.04, and when presenting a manual partition table to autoinstall it crashes with "unknown error crashed with ValidationError" is this a known bug?
[20:07] <dbungert> zph1nx: are you able to pastebin a sample?
[20:08] <sarnold> zph1nx: that doesn't sound familiar to me, no; pastebin the config?
[20:11] <zph1nx> dbungert sarnold https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/D4jpTrP5pX/
[20:13] <zph1nx> i did snip serial of the disk out though
[20:15] <dbungert> zph1nx: you might need to put serial back, curtin handles the storage part and it tends to want the serial
[20:16] <sarnold> zph1nx: the late commands, one is in quotes, the other not; does that matter?
[20:16] <zph1nx> @dbu
[20:17] <zph1nx> ergh, anyhow, the problem is that this autoinstall is supposed to match a wide varaity of server disks.
[20:17] <dbungert> zph1nx: fair, let me dig a bit
[20:20] <dbungert> zph1nx: ok, so the storage config is valid according to curtin, so that part should be fine
[20:21] <dbungert> zph1nx: can you pastebin /var/log/installer/subiquity-server-debug.log?
[20:25] <zph1nx> seems it hangs now
[20:27] <dbungert> when?  befor starting the install?  around the late commands time?
[20:27] <zph1nx> i did manage to get a screenshot of it earlier
[20:27] <dbungert> yea, the full backtrace would help if you have it
[20:40] <ghostnik11> oerheks: hey just a quick question b/c i am not understanding the instructions for this particular information on how to get grub back. i am stuck at the point with sudo mount /dev/mmclbk1p2 /mnt vs. sudo mount /dev/mmcblk1p2 /boot/efi
[20:40] <ghostnik11> https://askubuntu.com/questions/260297/why-12-04-fails-to-install-grub-efi-to-target/774537#774537
[20:41] <ghostnik11> thats the instruction if anyone can tell me. should i do sudo mount /dev/mmcblk1p2 /mnt first and then sudo mount /dev/mmcblk1p2 /boot/efi and then the other commands?
[20:43] <ghostnik11> i am trying to figure out if i should bind it to /boot/efi instead of /mnt
[20:44] <genii> ghostnik11: What sort of device is this, a desktop ... laptop ... something else?
[20:45] <ghostnik11> genii: its a something else (one of those low powered 2 in 1 tablets with a 32 bit uefi on top of 64 bit architecture
[20:45] <genii> So then it may not use grub but something else like U-boot
[20:45] <ghostnik11> genii: but i am about to solve my problem, i just want to make sure i do it in the correct order.
[20:45] <ghostnik11> genii: it does use grub
[20:46] <genii> hm
[20:46] <ghostnik11> genii: its just that the 32 bit uefi causes problems when installing a new copy of ubuntu
[20:46] <genii> ghostnik11: Yes, that is also a common issue with older Macs with 64bit systems but 32bit EFI/UEFI
[20:46] <ghostnik11> genii: i had it working with previous versions of ubuntu but wanted to do an update and fresh install and something with less resource hogging
[20:47] <ghostnik11> genii: but i am going to just try with the sudo mount /boot/efi instead of sudo mount /mnt
[20:47] <ghostnik11> genii: i will see how it works out
[20:52] <sybariten> oh hai
[20:53] <sybariten> I have a fujitsu mini desktop machine, which used to work allright, with a Ubuntu 20 install i believe. On a SATA drive, no other OSes. Now i suddenly get a "boot error", not much other info, when turning it on.
[20:53] <sybariten> I'm typing this from the machine, booted from a USB Lubuntu distro. The BIOS sees the Western Digital hard drive. Is there any analysis i can do from inside Lubuntu now to see whats up with the drive?
[20:54] <_7zip> E
[20:59] <genii> sybariten: First you can find out what drive it is with: sudo fdisk -l  and find the corresponding drive and partition designations. Then to check the filesystems of partitions of that drive using syntax like: sudo fsck /dev/sdx9  but put the actual partition instead of sdx9
[21:00] <ghostnik11> okay so i keep getting errors with sudo mount /dev/mmcblk1p2 /boot/efi
[21:00] <ghostnik11> it keeps saying /boot/efi does not exist
[21:01] <zph1nx> dbungert https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Ng2Jn3xrKK/
[21:01] <sybariten> genii: yeah i'd guess its sda from the looks of it. Theres a two gig sdb too but i dont know what that does. so i'll run fsck on that partition then
[21:01] <zph1nx> sorry it took awhile, had to set up a reverse ssh tunnel
[21:02] <genii> sybariten: Remember to run the fsck command on the partitions, and not on the entire device
[21:03] <genii> ghostnik11: Whatever directory you try to mount things to must already exist
[21:03] <ghostnik11> genii: but it does exist
[21:03] <dbungert> zph1nx: you need a "version: 1" under autoinstall, looks like.  autoinstall: version: 1
[21:05] <zph1nx> dbungert id did have it, but last in the file, since i snipped the autoinstall from a manual install and ran it
[21:05] <zph1nx> ill give it a try setting it just below autoinstall
[21:05] <sybariten> aha. sdab2 i would guess   https://pastebin.com/Td9Hvkmk
[21:05] <dbungert> order shouldn't matter, but in the run with that traceback it seems to be not there.
[21:05] <genii> ghostnik11: Does: ls /boot  show a directory named efi in it? If not then it doesn't
[21:06] <sybariten> genii: i took a copy paste there of the fdisk output
[21:06] <ghostnik11> genii: no but i am a bit confused b/c i am on a live ubuntu cd. so when i do ls /boot is it looking at the live usb side?
[21:07] <genii> ..for that matter I can't remember if livecd/usb even has /boot
[21:07] <genii> ghostnik11: That's correct, you are looking at the filesystem in ramdisk the livecd/usb made
[21:08] <ghostnik11> genii: yeah b/c when i run ls /boot it gives me a few stuff and i know when i check via file manager i see more stuff
[21:09] <sybariten> genii: https://pastebin.com/ARBtZs8h
[21:11] <ghostnik11> genii: what if i ran: sudo mount /dev/mmcblk1p2 /boot
[21:11] <ghostnik11> genii: since it might then mount it in order
[21:13] <_7zip> OwO
[21:13] <Guest2195> hi
[21:13] <Guest2195> hi
[21:14] <zph1nx> dbungert https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zWWNYCjv67/ seems i ran into another error
[21:14] <Guest2195> how do I change my ubuntu version to an older one?
[21:15] <genii> ghostnik11: The prudent thing to do is mount it to /mnt  and then get a file listing of /mnt and see if the contents of this are actually the contents which are expected to be seen in the machine's native /boot directory first to make sure you are working on the correct partition
[21:15] <genii> \
[21:15]  * genii wanders back to work for a bit
[21:15] <sybariten> ill try the boot-repair tool and see what happens
[21:16] <ghostnik11> genii: okay i will see if i can do that. but i also have to help a friend go over some questions. so i am going to have to take a pause. thanks for the help bro
[21:16] <leftyfb> Guest2195: you don't. Why do you think you need to?
[21:19] <dbungert> zph1nx: not sure why that's failing, might be a bug, looking
[21:21] <zph1nx> i removed the offending key though, it wouldnt take the linux generic kernel as a package argument, which is fine for me i suppose.
[21:22] <dbungert> that's a generated autoinstall, right?  looks like it has an extra level of kernel (kernel: kernel: package)
[21:22] <dbungert> instead of kernel: package
 I want to because My current version of linux is a little unfriendly with me
[21:28] <leftyfb> Guest2195: what version of Linux wound that be?
[21:29] <dbungert> zph1nx: yes, I'm seeing multiple invalid things in an autoinstall I just generated from subiquity, so that's for sure a bug
[21:33] <ghostnik11> genii: yep you were right when i run ls /mnt/boot
[21:33] <ghostnik11> thats where the efi folder for /boot/efi is located for my /dev/mmcblk1p2 partition
[21:37] <zph1nx> dbungert now however is crashes without any schema errors and throws errors, i think manual partition setups are quite shaky in 20.04
[21:41] <dbungert> zph1nx: thanks for all the debug info.  This is a nice reminder about the autoinstall we generate from subiquity, so I'm planning to add a test case to our automated tests to help check that the autoinstall we generate isn't overtly broken.
[21:41] <dbungert> if you're still up for debugging I'd like a look at the next crash log
[21:42] <zph1nx> ill try and grab it, i run this through packer and qemu, and for some reason qemu likes to take the image down after a few minutes
[21:51] <zph1nx> dbungert https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hYwSj9syX6/
[22:00] <sybariten> anyone know if grub-install is generally a "safe" process? I am trying to salvage a machine that won't boot anymore
[22:00] <sybariten> I'm suspecting because of having turned off the machine with the power button a number of times
[22:01] <valderen> sybariten: I believe it'll be ok. All update-grub does is scan the system for OS's and kernels then creates a new grub config file.
[22:03] <sybariten> update-grub?
[22:04] <sarnold> update-grub is called by /etc/kernel/postinst.d/zz-update-grub
[22:04] <sarnold> as part of the kernel upgrade process
[22:06] <dbungert> zph1nx: curtin is unhappy about something, and the info isn't in the subiquity log :(  This might be salvagable but it involves analyzing the systemd journal
[22:07] <sybariten> ok...
[22:08] <zph1nx> dbungert if you tell me where to look i can check
[22:08] <zph1nx> want the journalctl -xe output?
[22:09] <dbungert> please
[22:12] <dbungert> mwhudson: thanks for peeking in, here's the most recent log  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hYwSj9syX6/
[22:12] <mwhudson> having a look at /var/crash/1632347240.061345577.install_fail.crash would be helpful
[22:18] <zph1nx> dbungert https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GsHVwsWGnS/
[22:18] <zph1nx> Sep 22 22:13:35 ubuntu-server subiquity_log.2121[2423]:         Stderr: Could not create partition 2 from 4096 to 31455231
[22:18] <zph1nx> Sep 22 22:13:35 ubuntu-server subiquity_log.2121[2423]:                 Could not change partition 2's type code to 8300!
[22:18] <zph1nx> does look like the offender.
[22:20] <mwhudson> zph1nx: is it possible the system you installed this on to get the autoinstall file had a larger disk than the one you're installing now?
[22:22] <zph1nx> mwhudson: they're both supposed to be 15GB, the idea is to provision a small image and then blow it up via rc.local once its dd'ed to a disk
[22:23] <mwhudson> 'sgdisk', '--new', '2:4096:31455231'
[22:23] <zph1nx> although now i just noticed im off a GB in the packer.json file
[22:23] <mwhudson> how big is that in actual units i understand :)
[22:24] <mwhudson> just under 15 GiB
[22:25] <zph1nx> my idea of running MaaS fell on deaf ears, so we're dd'ing ubuntu installs via sccm now instead :/
[22:31] <zph1nx> setting -1 for size for the pv seems to have solved it
[22:36] <zph1nx> dbungert mwhudson huge thanks to you both
[22:37] <mwhudson> zph1nx: ah great
[22:37] <mwhudson> there are a few things here
[22:37] <mwhudson> 1) we are really bad about presenting install failures in a comprehensible way
[22:37] <dbungert> zph1nx: thanks for sticking with it, we got some good data here
[22:38] <zph1nx> yeah, it's not very verbose
[22:38] <mwhudson> 2) it would be good if you followed the guided flow to do an install, the autoinstall file that got spat out used the guided flow
[22:40] <zph1nx> mwhudson: does the output change depending on if i go guided or manual?
[22:43] <mwhudson> zph1nx: no
[22:43] <mwhudson> but maybe it should
[23:32] <Undekan> JO
[23:33] <Undekan> JOIN #xubuntu
[23:36] <TheRealSoundWave> Hey all, I'm trying to use apt-offline and I'm in a pickle. When a do apt-offline install upgrade.zip --verbose, it does not install anything, just telling me the files in the zip are synced
[23:38] <sarnold> TheRealSoundWave: try an apt-get upgrade?
[23:39] <sarnold> "After successful completion of Sequence 1 and Sequence 2 in order, further running apt-get upgrade will result in 0 bytes of additional download."
[23:40] <TheRealSoundWave> apt-offline is for update/upgrading and installing packages on offline devices
[23:41] <sarnold> TheRealSoundWave: yes, and it's entirely possible that apt-offline has pushed the downloaded contents into the apt cache
[23:41] <sarnold> TheRealSoundWave: it'd be nice if the manpage would just outright say what it does, but it sure sounds to me like a quick apt upgrade will do the job :)
[23:43] <TheRealSoundWave> so if everything is in the apt-cache, could I do a upgrade
[23:43] <sarnold> I hope so, yeah
[23:43] <TheRealSoundWave> How then
[23:45] <TheRealSoundWave> the manpage says apt-offline install do the following : install installs APT data to the APT package database and updates i
[23:46] <TheRealSoundWave> the manpage says apt-offline install do the following : install installs APT data to the APT package database and updates it
[23:48] <superdad> Does anyone happen to have experience ipxe booting the ubuntu cloud images?
[23:49] <superdad> Trying to ipxe boot them on vsphere and baremetal, and can't seem to get it to work.
[23:49] <sarnold> TheRealSoundWave: just try running 'apt upgrade'


[06:17] <LocutusOfBorg> Unit193, did you send the patch to debian?
[06:29] <Unit193> Nope, not a clue what I'd title that.  Only pinged you because it came up.
[07:29] <RAOF> Urgh. I think Mir's hitting a riscv64 toolchain bug :(
[07:32] <xypron> RAOF:  what is going wrong?
[07:38] <xnox> oh no
[12:42] <nteodosio> RAOF, just in case you missed it, I responded to your comment on bug 1976623.
[15:42] <stevenm_> am I right in thinking that... https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-desktop-installer ... isn't a fork/continuation of ... https://launchpad.net/ubiquity
[15:42] <stevenm_> i.e. "ubuntu-desktop-installer" (what a vague name) doesn't borrow anything from the debian-installer / parman (unlike Ubiquity which does)
[15:42] <stevenm_> also is Canonical abandoning launchpad for github now?
[16:07] <jbicha> stevenm_: the new desktop installer is a frontend & extension for subiquity which has been used by Ubuntu Server for a while now
[16:08] <jbicha> many Canonical projects are on github now to make it easier for people to contribute to them
[17:13] <icey[m]> hey, I just got a notification that my membership in https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-openstack-dev is about to expire and that I should contact the DMB? Apparently ~ubuntu-openstack-dev isn't a team that allows it's members to renew their own memberships?
[20:01] <arraybolt3[m]> !ping
[20:02] <genii> !pong
[20:02]  * genii runs away
[20:04] <sarnold> !king
[20:07] <arraybolt3[m]> !ping
[20:07] <arraybolt3> C'mon, Matrix, start working!
[20:08] <arraybolt3> Nope. Sorry for the noise, Element has gone severely glitchy and I'm trying to diagnose it.
[22:13] <rs2009> !ping
[22:13] <rs2009> !king
[22:13] <arraybolt3> rs2009: o/
[22:13] <rs2009> arraybolt3: o/
[22:14] <arraybolt3> (If you're referencing the mess with all the tons of pings and stuff, that was me diagnosing why Matrix decided to stop working right. Turns out it's a Matrix-to-IRC bridge problem.)
[22:14] <rs2009> (woke up in the middle of the night to work on Unity7, it's 3:45 am here)
[22:14] <rs2009> arraybolt3: ah
[22:14] <arraybolt3> rs2009: Oh cool!
[22:15] <rs2009> I gotta set up the Matrix-to-IRC bridge, and maybe work on Telegram bridges for these channels too
[22:17] <arraybolt3> rs2009: Oh hey, while I'm right here, I don't know if you saw it or not, but I was able to get the Ubuntu Unity ISO to boot. However, it booted into a GNOME shell rather than into Unity.
[22:17] <arraybolt3> And any attempts to boot into Unity were met with crashes in one way or another.
[22:18] <rs2009> arraybolt3: oh yes, I'm aware of these issues. They should be fixed in today's ISO
[22:18] <arraybolt3> Ah, nice. I'll hopefully get around to testing them day after tomorrow (I'm tied up with KDE stuff at the moment).
[22:21] <rs2009> arraybolt3: ack, thanks :)


[02:08] <ubuntu_> Hello, ubuntu-server won't ad a network adaptor.
[02:09] <ubuntu_> test
[03:28] <linuxmint> Hello?
[05:36] <cpaelzer> good morning
[09:56] <halvors> Hi. How can i disable dhclient for some given interfaces?
[10:08] <Walex> halvors: that's not a good question
[11:21] <halvors> Walex: Is there any way to just run the dhclient on a spcifed interface? Where is the config file for this?
[11:22] <Odd_Bloke> halvors: /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/network/interfaces.d/* should be what controls it.
[12:16] <coreycb> jklare, it looks like bug 1586443 was fixed so I'll take a look at backporting gnocchi again.  it's going to be a bit though if at all since the fix will need to land in yakkety first before an SRU to xenial can be approved.
[12:16] <coreycb> jklare, your best bet would be to test on xenial
[12:17] <jklare> coreycb thanks, would be great to see it in trusty too. We are already using it on xenial and it seems to work :)
[12:18] <coreycb> jklare, that's good to hear.  I'll keep you posted.
[12:20] <halvors> Odd_Bloke: Well, it isn't as both are completly empty.
[12:20] <halvors> But dhclient still requesting DHCP on all interfaces.
[12:25] <cpaelzer> halvors: for static and manual configs it shouldn't - would you mind providing a pastebin of your /etc/network/interfaces[/.d] and name an interface in it that you expect to not do dhcp, but does it?
[12:28] <halvors> cpaelzer: As i said both /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/network/interfaces.d is empty.
[12:28] <halvors> cpaelzer: My interfaces is configured with iproute2
[12:30] <Odd_Bloke> halvors: Could you pastebin your /var/log/syslog somewhere?
[12:30] <cpaelzer> halvors: ah I read that as "not empty" sorry
[12:31] <cpaelzer> like "it is not like both would be completely empty" - anyway clarified now
[12:38] <cpaelzer> somebody might know the inner workings if that file is completely empty (I don't out of my head) - I'd try to just replace dhclient with a wrapper that reports PPID and current ps axlf output to a tmp file - so you'd see where it is coming from
[12:46] <Impaloo> Hey not sure what's going on with a mounted USB stick. `df` says it has 29G used, whereas `du` says the mount point has 3.6G usage
[12:47] <Odd_Bloke> Impaloo: Could you pastebin the two outputs?
[12:48] <Impaloo> Odd_Bloke: http://pastebin.com/C8V710Bp
[12:48] <Impaloo> worth noting it's an exFAT fs
[12:49] <Odd_Bloke> Impaloo: Hmm, I'd expect du to report permissions errors, but there might be files on there that your user can't access?
[12:50] <Impaloo> Odd_Bloke: nope, no extraneous files
[12:51] <Odd_Bloke> Do you have access to any other distros/OSes?  What do they report/
[12:51] <Odd_Bloke> *?
[12:51] <Impaloo> Odd_Bloke: unfortunately no, on Raspbian atm
[12:52] <Odd_Bloke> Hmm, afraid I'm out of ideas then. :)
[12:52] <Impaloo> i'll try reformatting to ext4
[12:53] <cpaelzer> Impaloo: http://serverfault.com/questions/57098/du-vs-df-difference http://linuxshellaccount.blogspot.de/2008/12/why-du-and-df-display-different-values.html
[12:53] <cpaelzer> Impaloo: the difference of "trusting superblock" vs "counting" could be amplified by behavior of xfat in your case
[12:54] <cpaelzer> As Odd_Bloke thought the omst common issues are permissions or mounting over directories then invisible to du
[12:56] <jayjo> Is there a way to program a cron job to skip certain calendar days - as in skip July 4th, August 2nd, etc
[13:02] <cpaelzer> jayjo: I don't know of a "skip" parm, people usually do like this http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/88770/cron-to-not-run-on-specific-day-but-all-other-days
[13:02] <Walex> jayjo: not really, but you can write a shell script script to do that with 'date'
[13:04] <Walex> halvors: I think that you are asking the right question...
[13:04] <Walex> halvors: I think that you are NOT asking the right question...
[13:05] <Walex> halvors: it usually helps if you say first what you want to achieve, not about the way you think is theb way to do it.
[13:06] <Walex> halvors: for example "I have 2 interface and I want to configure statically one and dynamically the other and I am using 'ifup'/NM/... to configure them.
[13:07] <smoser> flarunt, invalid manifest (sorry, long weekend). is that still an issue ? you're saying the manifest file in the ova has invalid sum for the .ovf file i think, right?
[13:07] <Walex> halvors: you could also ask why your original question was wrong...
[13:07] <Walex> or at least looked wrong.
[13:07] <smoser> please file a bug against cloud-images https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-images/+filebug
[13:14] <jayjo> Walex: so use a cronjob to execute a shell script, and that script will only continue if it meets the date param criteria?
[13:18] <devster31> can I apt upgrade python* making apt only update packages already installed?
[13:19] <patdk-wk> why do you want to update python? but nothing else?
[13:20] <devster31> it was an example, first thing
[13:25] <shewless> Hi guys. Does anyone know a good place to read up on keystone configuration? I'm using this guide but it does not give enough detail on LDAP configuration: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/keystone/configuration.html
[13:25] <shewless> Do I need to download the source code and read it or is there some proper documentation that I just can't find?
[13:26] <devster31> shewless: #openstack and #openstack-keystone might be better fits?
[13:28] <shewless> devster31: thanks I'll look there. To be honest you guys at ubuntu-server are far more responsive :)
[13:29] <devster31> maybe, but I know absolutely nothing about openstack, you could also try http://docs.openstack.org/developer/devstack/ if you aren't already
[13:48] <caribou> rbasak: I'm done with the kexec-tools's merge; should I wait for usd-import to be run so I get the repository created ?
[13:59] <jamespage> coreycb, poked a load of things in packaging CI today
[13:59] <jamespage> most things working/in the pipe for build testing again
[13:59] <jamespage> ironic broken due to my mistake in the versioning field for the build - fixed now
[14:00] <coreycb> jamespage, awesome, thanks.  b1 should be released any day now.
[14:01] <jamespage> coreycb, yah - I see global-requirements sync's going past
[14:01] <jamespage> coreycb, we should probably do a oslo.* run through
[14:01] <jamespage> (says the man not here for the rest of the week)
[14:01] <jamespage> coreycb, we're nearly deployable from branch PPA's now
[14:01] <coreycb> jamespage, ok.  on that note I'm catching up on all the upstream g-r review policies etc to help out with that.
[14:02] <jamespage> \o/
[14:02] <jamespage> coreycb is awesome
[14:02] <coreycb> jamespage, lol I've not done much yet.  ack on the oslo bumps.
[14:04] <coreycb> jamespage, re: almost deployable from PPAs, are you referring to the charms?
[14:04] <jamespage> coreycb, yes
[14:06] <coreycb> jamespage, that's good, so we should be in pretty good shape to get b1 out the door.
[14:06] <jamespage> hope so
[14:22] <cpaelzer> caribou: you might want to highlight nacc for that question as well - @nacc importer timing question above
[15:28] <rbasak> caribou: I was about to reply to you when nacc appeared!
[15:28] <rbasak> nacc: seen caribou's request for import of kexec-tools? I wanted to ask you if I'm fine to run the importer for people on request now.
[15:28] <rbasak> (I haven't actually tried to run it at all yet :-/
[15:28] <nacc> rbasak: it would work, but i've not pushed our rework yet
[15:29] <nacc> rbasak: so it would result in a different tree, not sure if kexec-tools would be affected or not :)
[15:29] <nacc> rbasak: i can do the import later today, i think, i was pretty close to being done with the rewrite on friday
[15:30] <nacc> rbasak: i'll respond to caribou on-list regardless :)
[15:30] <nacc> rbasak: if that's ok with you?
[15:31] <rbasak> nacc: sure!
[15:31] <nacc> rbasak: also, did you see my last e-mail from last week? re: merge and double-commits?
[15:32] <rbasak> nacc: sorry, I forgot about that.
[15:32] <nacc> rbasak: np! long weekend and i sort of asked you not to respond at the time :)
[15:32] <rbasak> nacc: I think one commit is fine, but we'll have to end up with two commits when a user pushes to upload/<version>
[15:33] <rbasak> This is assuming that there isn't a case I'm missing here.
[15:33] <nacc> rbasak: right, i'll need to consider that case still (right now, i'm not handling upload/ being added properly, i expect, even in the current code)
[15:33] <rbasak> It would be nice if the importer could somehow detect and add the second commit so a merger would only have to upload a straightforward rebase, but I'm not sure that's possible.
[15:34] <nacc> rbasak: yeah, i'll think through it, and worst-case put some comments in
[15:37] <caribou> nacc: rbasak: on-list is fine for me btw
[15:37] <nacc> caribou: thanks, sorry for the delay, holidays and just waking up now :)
[15:38] <caribou> nacc: no worry, I was fighting with my merge anyway
[15:38] <caribou> nacc: I need to spend some time cleaning the Wiki's notes & merge mine
[15:39] <nacc> caribou: ack, i also was considering making a second page that's more tied to this tool and with a working example
[15:40] <caribou> nacc: well, I will most probably have to redo my own merge with the new tree so I'll write down a set of side notes that I can add somewher
[15:40] <nacc> caribou: sounds good -- it'll be some sort of combination and distillation of what's in the serverreleasehandling page (which has gotten quite long :)
[15:41] <caribou> nacc: some pkg specifics makes things weird sometimes; like kexec-tools that provides patches that it doesn't apply and that are removed as delta
[15:42] <caribou> nacc: couldn't figure out why there were patches in d/p but the result was still ok wrt the merge :)
[15:42]  * caribou makes a note to submittodebian this one
[15:43] <rbasak> There's a thought
[15:44] <rbasak> submittodebian could do with expanding to work on individual git commits.
[16:15] <nacc> rbasak: yeah, all of these tools and stuff, are part of what i want to document, too :)
[16:16] <nacc> rbasak: i will say the new algorithm makes some nice gitk graphs :)
[16:18] <caribou> nacc: FYI, I have pushed a kdump-tools update which should take care of the ppc64el crashkernel issue
[16:18] <caribou> nacc: It'll hit Yakkety once I get kexec-tools merged in
[16:19] <nacc> caribou: awesome, that's what i was looking forward to seeing :) i'm sure ibm will appreciate it ... eventually :)
[16:19] <caribou> nacc: well, I'll need someone to formally test it as I don't have the hardware available
[16:19] <nacc> caribou: yep, should be easy to find someone if you need me too
[16:27] <rbasak> rharper: for bug 1518440, I'll mark as cleared in my tracking. There seem to be enough people affected that one would think someone could complete SRU verification. If not, then the SRU team will warn and remove, and I think that's fine to avoid regression risk (if nobody cares).
[16:27] <rbasak> rharper: thank you for driving.
[16:27] <rharper> rbasak: sure
[16:40] <rbasak> nacc: for the bacula bugs, I think I'm missing a big picture of how the different issues interact. For the MySQL-specific ones, upstream and I are quite happy to help - I'm just not sure how everything needs to fit together to make the whole thing usable.
[16:41] <nacc> rbasak: yeah, i think we discussed this during the sprint and was why we demoted bacula to universe?
[16:41] <nacc> in 16.04
[16:42] <rbasak> nacc: I think that given we demoted it it's up to us to unbreak it. Once unbroken and in sync, we (Canonical) have done our duty and don't need to worry about it any more.
[16:43] <nacc> rbasak: ack, not disagreeing
[16:48] <rbasak> magicalChicken: around? I've got some old bug assignments I'm tracking - bug 869017, bug 1394403, and a new one, bug 1511222.
[16:48] <rbasak> magicalChicken: I know you've been out, but jgrimm informs me that you should be able to work on these again soon, so I'm just checking in.
[16:49] <magicalChicken> rbasak: Hey, I'm back in this week
[16:50] <magicalChicken> Sure, I'll pick these back up, I think I had partial fixes for all of them, just never got through the final stages for getting them approved
[16:52] <magicalChicken> I'll take a look at the new apache bug first
[16:54] <rbasak> magicalChicken: thanks!
[16:54] <magicalChicken> rbasak: Of course, sorry it took so long to get the two old bugs handled
[17:39] <spaceturtle> Does anyone know how I can use an .ssh/config entry that will re-write my username based on the hostname? The %h varaible doesnt work for User
[18:16] <EmilienM> coreycb, jamespage: did you already try trove? trove-taskmanager recently fails to start on Mitaka (works on RDO): http://logs.openstack.org/20/323320/1/check/gate-puppet-openstack-integration-3-scenario003-tempest-ubuntu-xenial/cb423b0/logs/etc/trove/trove-taskmanager.conf.txt.gz
[18:16] <EmilienM> err, wrong link
[18:17] <EmilienM> http://logs.openstack.org/20/323320/1/check/gate-puppet-openstack-integration-3-scenario003-tempest-ubuntu-xenial/cb423b0/logs/trove/trove-taskmanager.txt.gz#_2016-05-31_12_25_39_482
[18:21] <EmilienM> coreycb, jamespage: found it, it's a bug in packaging I'm reporting it
[18:22] <jamespage> this rings a bell - something todo with the wrong config files EmilienM?
[18:22] <EmilienM> yes
[18:22] <EmilienM> trove packaging loads trove.conf only
[18:22] <EmilienM> while trove use multiple files
[18:22] <jamespage> EmilienM, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1516471
[18:23] <jamespage> I have a fix committed in the repo
[18:23] <EmilienM> omg
[18:23] <EmilienM> so it's not fixed in xenial?
[18:24] <jamespage> unsurprisinly a comment on a bug is not always the best way to get peoples attention
[18:24] <jamespage> I picked that out of the backlog last week
[18:24] <EmilienM> we disable trove testing on ubuntu in the meantime.
[18:27] <jamespage> EmilienM, sure - I'll get the bits lined up next week (about to disappear for a few days).
[18:34] <jamespage> EmilienM, is it relatively easy for you to test from our stable branch PPA's?
[18:35] <jamespage> ppa:openstack-ubuntu-testing/mitaka will have pre-upload fixes in a while
[18:35] <EmilienM> jamespage: we already released mitaka, which means now we rely on what you provide in stable repo
[18:35] <EmilienM> jamespage: we don't want to use ppa on purpose because we want stable things
[18:35] <EmilienM> and fwiw, trove was working on trusty/mitaka
[18:36] <EmilienM> jamespage: we can enable ppa but only for our master branch (and only if you give us newton packages)
[18:36] <EmilienM> otherwise, we're not interested by ppas
[18:37] <jamespage> EmilienM, I was not suggesting you release an update with a PPA; I was asking whether you could help test the fix
[19:13] <ddellav> coreycb almost forgot, lp:~ddellav/ubuntu/+source/keystone and lp:~ddellav/ubuntu/+source/ceilometer re: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/keystone/+bug/1587589
[19:28] <coreycb> ddellav, keystone looks good. can you rebase ceilometer?
[19:29] <ddellav> coreycb i thought i did but i'll look again
[19:30] <coreycb> ddellav, there were probably some ci fixes that snuck in since
[22:49] <aslaen> hello, I am trying to use openstack autopilot. I have MaaS installed and working (nodes ready), juju installed and connected to MaaS, but when I run autopilot it fails because the environments.yaml is ignored and it uses ~/.cloud-install/juju/environments/maas.jenv instead.
[22:49] <aslaen> For some reason that yml file tries to connect to MaaS on port 5420 but my MaaS runs on port 80 so it fails
[22:51] <aslaen> sorry meant 5240


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[08:39] <dholbach> good morning
[09:02] <dholbach> hey dpm
[09:03] <dholbach> it's the Ubuntu Community Appreciation Day
[09:03]  * dholbach goes and writes a blog entry
[09:05] <dpm> morning dholbach
[09:11]  * czajkowski appreciates you all
[11:00] <dholbach> dpm, popey: I'm going to be offline for half an hour - I need to replace my laptop display - let's all cross fingers and hope that it's fine and back to normal afterwards again
[11:00] <popey> good luck!
[11:00] <dholbach> thanks :)
[11:00] <dpm> dholbach, good luck!
[11:00] <popey> cut the red wire
[11:00] <dholbach> haha
[11:01] <dholbach> it wasn't the display cable - I replaced that a week or two ago already
[11:01] <dholbach> then I ordered a new display which they sent to the wrong address, or the postman got confused
[11:01] <dholbach> now I hope that after 3-4 weeks of display weirdness I have a working laptop again :)
[11:24] <dholbach> success
[11:25] <popey> \o/
[11:25]  * popey adds "Hardware Engineer" to dholbach's skills matrix
[11:27] <dholbach> yeehaw :)
[11:27] <czajkowski> lol
[12:17]  * dholbach relocates, brb
[12:36] <popey> dholbach: https://plus.google.com/u/0/100659093975814540586/posts/b6aP9nUTRmT
[12:36] <popey> can you get rid of that?
[12:36] <popey> I am not a moderator of that team for some reason.
[12:37] <dholbach> I'm not quite sure how to do that
[12:38] <dholbach> all right, removed
[12:39] <dholbach> G+ admin interfaces are quite hard to use
[12:39] <popey> there's a moderator page
[12:39] <dholbach> yeah, I'm trying to see if I can add you
[12:39] <popey> in there you can go through approving/rejecting
[12:39] <popey> i dont think you can, maybe only jono can
[12:40] <dholbach> popey, ok found it
[12:40] <dholbach> popey, you should be a moderator now
[12:41] <popey> MUHAHAHAAHAHAAH!
[12:41] <popey> I mean, thanks.
[12:41] <dholbach> enjoy
[12:55] <mhall119> remember popey, with great power comes a great number of work items that nobody else wants to do
[19:51] <jcastro> mhall119, what are my options if my ubuntu touch device stopped showing up in `adb devices`?
[19:59] <jcastro> all the release notes seem to be for 13.10?
[20:04] <popey> jcastro: unplug, re-plug
[20:04] <popey> jcastro: system settings -> about phone, make sure developer mode is on
[20:07] <mhall119> jcastro: you need developer mode on (as popey said) and the device unlocked
[20:07] <jcastro> yep, checked all that
[20:07] <mhall119> did you unplug-replug?
[20:07] <popey> is the phone actually unlocked?
[20:07] <jcastro> yes, and reboot
[20:08] <jcastro> yes, it's  running ubuntu touch
[20:08] <popey> i.e. not at the pin lock screen?
[20:08] <popey> no, not that kind of unlocked
[20:08] <popey> get it to the dash
[20:08] <jcastro> oh, so unlock it then plug it back in?
[20:08] <popey> or leave plugged in
[20:08] <mhall119> or plug it in and then unlock it
[20:08] <popey> but unlock it, yes
[20:08] <popey> security yo
[20:08] <mhall119> basically, adb only works when we are confident that the owner is in posession of the device, so it needs to have a PIN (or passphrase) and they had to enter that to unlock it
[20:09] <jcastro> nope
[20:09] <jcastro> still blank
[20:09] <mhall119> have you tried a hammer?
[20:09] <popey> what version you running?
[20:09] <jcastro> 14.10 r243
[20:09] <mhall119> jcastro: does it open a Nautilus window and show you the MTP folders? (Documents, Music, etc)
[20:09] <jcastro> no, it doesn't
[20:09] <jcastro> nothing in dmesg either
[20:09] <popey> flip developer mode off then on again
[20:10] <mhall119> then it's not making a connection
[20:10] <popey> broken cable?
[20:10] <mhall119> try a different USB cable
[20:10] <popey> r243!?
[20:10] <jcastro> cable and port work fine, already tried that
[20:10] <popey> how did you manage that?
[20:10]  * popey is on 14.10 r137
[20:10] <mhall119> popey: I know, that's from like 2014-10
[20:10] <popey> which channel?
[20:10] <jcastro> I was running it all cycle
[20:10] <jcastro> and then one day it stopped updating
[20:11] <mhall119> jcastro: yeah, probably old devel channel, you should switch to RTM
[20:11] <popey> bet you're on trusty
[20:11] <jcastro> oh, it still shows up as utopic dev
[20:11] <jcastro> mhall119, how do I do that?
[20:11] <jcastro> I just want to run whatever the best one is
[20:11] <mhall119> ubuntu-device-flash -something something
[20:11] <mhall119> popey knows
[20:11] <popey> ubuntu-device-flash --channel=devel-proposed
[20:11] <jcastro> from the device itself?
[20:11] <popey> no
[20:11] <popey> via usb
[20:11] <mhall119> no no, don't put him on proposed
[20:11] <popey> 20:11:27 < jcastro> I just want to run whatever the best one is
[20:12] <popey> proposed == best
[20:12] <popey> :þ
[20:12] <mhall119> no it's not
[20:12] <popey> lies
[20:12] <mhall119> proposed == newest
[20:12] <jcastro> well, if it can't find it on usb
[20:12] <popey> newest == best
[20:12] <jcastro> then I can't flash it
[20:12] <jcastro> anyway to do it from the device itself?
[20:12] <mhall119> yeah, you need to sort your USB connection first
[20:12] <popey> yeah, you can do it from the device
[20:12] <popey> in the terminal
[20:12] <popey> but I'd flip dev mode off/on first
[20:12] <mhall119> what a concept, eg?
[20:13] <popey> might be broken adb on your pc
[20:13] <jcastro> flipping does nothing
[20:13] <popey> kill adbd
[20:13] <popey> on pc
[20:13] <popey> then unplug/replug, run adb devices
[20:13] <mhall119> if it's not making an MTP connection, it's probably a physical problem, not adb
[20:13] <popey> also, usb cable
[20:13] <jcastro> if it's physical it's the phone, I've tested everything else
[20:13] <popey> it's not a "charging only" cable is it?
[20:13] <jcastro> no
[20:14] <mhall119> jcastro: have you tried juju deploy fix-my-phone?
[20:14] <popey> I have one of them, burned it
[20:14] <popey> so yeah, kill adbd first
[20:14] <popey> killall adb
[20:14] <popey> adb devices
[20:14] <jcastro> did that already, still blank
[20:14] <jcastro> is it easy to upgrade from the device?
[20:15] <popey> yeah, if you can type well
[20:15] <popey> system-image-cli -c ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09 -b 0
[20:15] <popey> do that in terminal
[20:16] <jcastro> !!!
[20:16] <jcastro> dude, I had a zombie adb process
[20:16] <popey> there we go
[20:16] <jcastro> so I had to -9
[20:16] <jcastro> not just normal kill
[20:16] <popey> happens
[20:16] <jcastro> ok
[20:16] <jcastro> now to rewipe it with the latest bling?
[20:16] <jcastro> I have to show it off at a talk tonight
[20:16] <popey> you dont have to wipe
[20:16] <jcastro> so nothing too crazy
[20:17] <popey> adb shell
[20:17] <popey> system-image-cli -c ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09 -b 0
[20:17] <popey> leave it alone...
[20:17] <jcastro> ack
[20:17] <popey> oh, might need sudo ☻
[20:18] <popey> you get more feedback if you use ubuntu-device-flash on your laptop though
[20:18] <popey> ubuntu-device-flash --channel=ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09
[20:18] <jcastro> well too late, heh
[20:19] <popey> nvm
[20:19] <jcastro> how long should I give it, 15min or so?
[20:19] <popey> it'll take a while
[20:19] <popey> adb shell in and you'll see ubuntu-download process
[20:19] <popey> meaning "yay"
[20:22] <jcastro> popey, is it a good idea to cancel it and do it from the laptop?
[20:22] <jcastro> it's atomic right? :)
[20:23] <popey> ya
[20:23] <popey> its fine
[20:23] <popey> you can always restart it if it hasn't rebooted into the update
[20:25] <jcastro> so was I on some old crufty devel release from like months ago?
[20:32] <jcastro> popey, do I answer yes or no for disabling recovery flash?
[20:38] <jcastro> popey, mhall119: holy crap, this is waaaaay better than what I was running before!
[20:38] <popey> hah
[20:38] <czajkowski> gah stupid web client messed up my reply
[20:41] <mhall119> jcastro: welcome to the future :)
[20:42] <jcastro> yeah then I ran into popey's RMS app
[20:42] <popey> :D
[20:48] <mhall119> what happened to the jono one? we need that back
[20:48] <jcastro> popey, your youtube app is <3
[20:49] <popey> heh
[20:49] <popey> put some music on your device
[20:49] <popey> if you haven't already
[20:49] <popey> make sure you have artwork too.
[20:50] <jcastro> no one's done spotify yet?
[20:50] <popey> yes, someone has
[20:50] <popey> but there's a platform issue with playing audio in the background
[20:50] <jcastro> oh
[20:51] <popey> the problem is because spotify has a binary blob for doing the streaming
[20:51] <jcastro> nod
[20:51] <ahayzen> popey, are they waiting for background playlists as well? or does the music get cut as soon as it minimises ?
[20:51] <popey> also, put a couple of trailers on your phone
[20:51] <jcastro> does the normal music app have that problem?
[20:51] <popey> ahayzen: no, its because of the blob
[20:51] <popey> no, jcastro
[20:51] <ahayzen> popey, ah
[20:52] <popey> jcastro: ahayzen is one of the music app devs :D
[20:52] <ahayzen> o/
[20:52] <popey> Community \m/
[20:52] <jcastro> rawk!
[20:52] <jcastro> ok I just need to find local music
[20:52] <jcastro> I'll dig into one of my backups
[20:52] <jcastro> I don't think I've kept local music around for years, heh
[20:52] <popey> yeah, a backup, right ☻
[20:52] <popey> internet backups
[20:52] <jcastro> no seriously, I no longer do local music
[20:53] <popey> me too
[20:53] <popey> I'm all over spotify
[20:53] <jcastro> oh cool, I can just drag and drop into this folder here
[20:53] <jcastro> bling bling
[20:53] <popey> interestingly two of the spotify developers hang out in the ubuntu touch channel ㋛
[20:58] <jcastro> man, music works awesome
[20:58] <jcastro> just copied stuff over, done
[20:58] <jcastro> hey so, if I put pink floyd in music, shouldn't searching for "floyd" in the main scope show results?
[20:59] <jcastro> oh I see, drag over one for the music scope
[21:01] <mhall119> jcastro: yeah, there is no "Home" scope in Unity 8 anymore
[21:01] <jcastro> ok, booted with my sim in it
[21:02] <jcastro> I am committed now!
[21:02] <mhall119> jcastro: want to see something slick though?
[21:03] <jcastro> show me </morpheus>
[21:03] <jcastro> man, the notifications are so slick now
[21:03] <mhall119> jcastro: from anywhere in the dash, swipe up from the bottom edge to enter the dash manager
[21:03] <mhall119> then use the search icon in the top-right corner and search for "Pink Floyd"
[21:04] <belkinsa> OMG.  Thank you, mhall119!
[21:04] <mhall119> belkinsa: not at all, it's well deserved
[21:05] <jcastro> ooh
[21:05] <belkinsa> You made my day.
[21:05] <mhall119> :)
[21:05] <jcastro> ok so is there no contacts scope?
[21:05] <jcastro> let's say I want to call jill
[21:06] <mhall119> belkinsa: I do want to get involved with Ubuntu Leadership team, but I've got to finish porting developer.ubuntu.com to Django :(
[21:06] <jcastro> this looks it up on like wikipedia, etc.
[21:06] <jcastro> not my phone
[21:06] <mhall119> jcastro: yeah, no contacts/people scope
[21:06] <mhall119> that was dropped a *long* time ago
[21:06] <jcastro> ok so how do you call/text someone?
[21:06] <belkinsa> mhall119, I think it will take time for the Leadership Team to get off the ground.  But I think with the help of the CC and the mentoring program, it may be seeon.
[21:06] <belkinsa> soon*
[21:06] <jcastro> drill down in the messaging or phone app?
[21:06] <mhall119> jcastro: use the dialer or messaging app
[21:07] <mhall119> jcastro: or look the person up in the address book app, and then choose to call or text them
[21:08] <mhall119> I wonder if we'll see the people scope agian, now that the API is improved and C++ scopes are fast
[21:10] <jcastro> yeah I tend to use the person as the top org unit
[21:10] <jcastro> and then choose msg or call
[21:10] <mhall119> jcastro: use the addressbook app then
[21:11] <jcastro> the google sync thing is pretty sweet
[21:15] <mhall119> yeah, that was a huge pain to get working, but now that it does it's awesome
[21:15] <mhall119> alarms too
[22:30] <jcastro> mhall119, one more thing
[22:30] <jcastro> the home circle activity thing still says no sources
[22:30] <jcastro> do I need to set it up?
[22:41] <mhall119> the what now?
[23:09] <ahayzen> mhall119, the infographic on the 'welcome screen'
[23:47] <popey> that may be a bug
[23:47] <popey> i filed one for it
[23:47] <popey> jcastro: no, you don't it should have music, texts, calls, etc, if no, it's a bug
[23:48] <popey> bug 1359022
[23:48] <ubot2> bug 1359022 in libusermetrics (Ubuntu) "Welcome screen on image #200 always states that there are no data sources available" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1359022


[03:28] <roasted> Hello friends. I've been following the Unity 7.2.1 launchpad. I'm trying to understand the SRU process. I see that 7.2.1 14.04 SRU 1 was "released" 22 hours ago. Is that part of a review process? Just questioning it given that I'm not seeing it via updates, etc.
[03:46] <Pici> roasted: It looks like 7.2.1 is in trusty-proposed right now.
[03:47] <Pici> See step 6 here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Procedure
[03:48] <roasted> Pici: yeah I just enabled that and pulled in 7.2.1. I'm good now. :)
[03:48] <roasted> Pici: I just took 'released' as in, it's RELEASED, like part of the regular update system.
[03:48] <roasted> not released as in, ahh just in pre-release for now, etc.
[03:49] <Pici> yeah, it is a little confusing
[03:50] <roasted> seems like the min 7 day wait period applies... now
[03:51] <roasted> There's one last thing that I'm unsure of. There's a bug targeted for 7.2.1 that is in progress right now. Given that SRU 1 is in trusty-proposed, is that to say that whenever that bug gets fixed, it effectively misses SRU 1 since SRU 1 is here now? Or is there always a chance to merge it later as part of regular updates once SRU 1 is in the regular update repo?
[03:53]  * Pici shrugs
[03:55] <tarpman> roasted: Fix Released for the upstream project is separate from Fix
[03:55] <tarpman> argh
[03:55] <tarpman> Released for the Ubuntu packages
[03:56] <tarpman> roasted: you'll notice most of the bugs still say Fix Committed in trusty, ie. they're in trusty-proposed
[03:56] <roasted> So if I understand right, Fix Committed is proposed, Fix Released is "hey just open software updater"
[03:57] <tarpman> and wait for your local mirror to update
[03:57] <roasted> What does that mean for the SRU 1 being in proposed now for the bugs that are targeted for SRU 1, but not 'fixed' yet?
[03:57] <tarpman> that they missed the milestone. unfortunate, but happens
[03:58] <roasted> :(
[03:59] <tarpman> roasted, which bug in particular are you affected by? just curious
[03:59] <roasted> let me dig it up quick
[03:59] <roasted> it's the highlight offset one I'm curious about
[03:59] <roasted> minor, but an aesthetic annoyance
[04:00] <roasted> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1309739
[04:01] <tarpman> yeah, see the merge proposal on that one? the reviewers approved it, but it hasn't actually been merged yet. I take that to mean it missed the cutoff, whenever that was
[04:01] <roasted> bummer
[04:01] <tarpman> there will be more SRUs. 12.04 has had 7 so far, and I don't think it's done yet
[04:02] <roasted> yeah, I believe it. It's just one of those things where it's the one thing I notice continuously that my OCD is ruffled by.  :P
[04:02] <tarpman> oh, I know what you mean
[04:03] <roasted> mostly because I have a hard time figuring out exactly how I can identify when an application needs attention...
[04:03] <tarpman> you know the expo view, super-S? the yellow border makes room for the unity launcher on the left even when you're not running unity
[04:03] <tarpman> totally aesthetic thing, but bugs me every time ;)
[04:03] <roasted> so via tweak I just use set the icon backgrounds to no coloring so I can actually see the borders that get highlighted.
[04:03] <roasted> But when you adjust the icon sizes, that bug comes into play.
[04:04] <roasted> I mean the icons don't bounce every 30 seconds to remind me that I have an awaiting message, so the highlights are all I use.
[04:04] <roasted> hence my interest in it :P


 Hey guys...
 Hi guys...
 I've successfully upgraded, However the window borders did not appear
 the session is not loading properly..
 can someone give their Session setttings..
 (Photo, 1280x719) https://i.imgur.com/iRHh7Pq.jpg
 (Photo, 782x516) https://i.imgur.com/yX3RIWt.jpg II need these settings please
 II think these are messed up...
 @Rudra Bali [Try reinstalling lubuntu-desktop using tasksel], Ok
 ohk
[06:24] <vadi01> hi. need help with thunderbird. there is no download headers only option
[06:25] <vadi01> how to enable headers only as currently its attemption to download all emails and that takes a lot of bandwidth
 https://www.ghacks.net/2012/04/30/how-to-configure-thunderbird-to-fetch-headers-only/
[06:28] <vadi01> lubot: thats 2012 and it was there
[06:29] <vadi01> right now 2020 version not there
[06:31] <vadi01> so no headers there
[06:31] <vadi01> how to sort?
 @Rudra Bali [It might have upgraded Openbox and deleted old config], ops
[06:46] <guiverc> `apt purge` says to delete configs too, `apt remove` only removes programs (configs remain)
 @Rudra Bali [@IndianOSR911 Go to TTY4 (CTRL+ALT+F4), login with your credentials, type 'sudo …], This is for L 19.10 —correct, is it the default Window Manager?
 I also see Muffin...as Window Manager
 @guiverc [<guiverc> `apt purge` says to delete configs too, `apt remove` only removes prog …], Got it
 @vadi01 [<vadi01> how to sort?], are you using IMAP?
[07:06] <hamid9041> hello
[07:06] <hamid9041> i whant to make my own iso with the minimal lxqt
[07:07] <hamid9041> i have ubuntu mini iso
 @vadi01 [<vadi01> how to sort?], https://www.lifewire.com/avoid-large-messages-attachments-thunderbird-1173197
[07:09] <hamid9041> i did xorg sddm lxqt-cor
[07:09] <hamid9041> e
[07:10] <hamid9041> ok the prob is it installs also plasma
[07:12] <guiverc> hamid9041, I don't see any plasma in https://packages.ubuntu.com/eoan/sddm https://packages.ubuntu.com/eoan/lxqt-core
[10:11] <ksamsa> Hi, mainly asking whether I did something horribly wrong without even realising.I have a high spec PC, and I wanted to use lubuntu to try and repair it's ssd's damaged file system.I put the latest lubuntu iso on a pen drive using win32diskimager, and plugged it in.Changed the boot order, and started the lubuntu installation on a 15gb partition
[10:11] <ksamsa> manually made on the pen drive.It's been installing lubuntu for more than 10 hours now, slowly making progresses. How normal is this? I wasn't expecting it to take so long. Could something have gone "subtly" wrong?
[10:11] <ksamsa> Thanks!
[10:14] <diogenes_> ksamsa, looks like a dying drive to me.
[10:14] <ksamsa> You mean the pen drive?
[10:16] <diogenes_> the drive you're installing on, but could be the pendrive too.
[10:16] <ksamsa> Ok, thank you :)
[10:17] <diogenes_> np
[10:41] <x4-> what irc client is tha best for you? quassel looks like simple :D
[10:42] <diogenes_> hexchat here.
[10:42] <x4-> oo good idea
[10:42] <x4-> ty
[10:42] <diogenes_> np
[10:45] <guiverc> I use `hexchat` too, but being GTK based; it'll likely use more memory on LXQt (GTK+ libs will need to be in memory), I don't care on this 8gb ram box, but maybe would if I had 4gb or less ram.
[10:51] <x4-> 32 gb ram here so idc really
[10:51] <x4-> but ty :)
[11:49] <santimir[m]> im from matrix/riot, it's very nice
[11:49] <santimir[m]>  * im from matrix/riot, check it out, it's very nice
[11:50] <santimir[m]> not exactly irc though...
[11:52] <santimir[m]> (there are terminal clients also)
[11:55] <x4-> guys, what to do i need improve my audio quality on lubuntu (yesterday install 20.04) for exmp. on debian sound without pulseaudio etc sounds much better. Help :p
[12:03] <akem> x4-, Do you use the same player than on Debian? I would check player saturation.
[12:03] <akem> You can install and check with alsamixer and/or pavucontrol i guess.
[12:03] <x4-> both vlc
[12:04] <x4-> kk, let me try
[12:05] <x4-> looks like i have already pavucontrol-qt
[12:05] <akem> Yeah, check what options you have there and the volume level.
[12:08] <x4-> using pulseaudio - (im not a expert but looks same like always)
[12:08] <x4-> allow on more then 100%
[12:10] <x4-> also how to use only 2 desktop panels? In LxQT i have custom 4 and dunno how to delete 2 :D
[12:12] <x4-> https://imgur.com/a/0RpOTqI like here
[12:12] <x4-> sorry for my english ;/
[12:17] <akem> You shouldn't go over 100% or you may experience distortions, better get external amplification.
[12:17] <akem> VLC offers an integrated equalizer also, in Tool>Effects and filters.
[12:21] <santimir[m]> preferences --> lxqt settings --> openbox -->desktops
[12:24] <x4-> @santimir[m], ty its works :D
 @Rudra Bali [@IndianOSR911 Go to TTY4 (CTRL+ALT+F4), login with your credentials, type 'sudo …], this is removing almost everything
[13:55] <santimir[m]> all good. recommend u to try matrix for chat too
[13:55] <santimir[m]>  * all good. recommend u to try matrix for chat too x4
[15:49] <akem> I see the topic points to lubuntu.me, but on DDG first result is lubuntu.net, it's unofficial or something? I found this strange.
[15:55] <akem> Also i can't find on the website or the manual the difference between Desktop and Alternate downloads...But i found it on Askubuntu.
[16:05] <santimir[m]> .me is the only official one
[16:05] <santimir[m]>  * .me is the only official one akem
[16:09] <akem> Okay...but it comes 2nd... on DDG at least :) The download links on .net also points to cdimage.ubuntu.com too, but they are not really well labeled, and one is 18.04 the other is 19.10 without being specified, it says x86 or AMD instead.
[16:09] <akem> Weird.
[16:11] <akem> Same thing on Google by the way.
 Lubuntu.net is an old and non-supported website. It's maintained by the original creator after the project became officially recognized and support by Canonical. Lubuntu.me is the officially website.
 in case... what isnt being developed?  (I came in late sorry)
 It isn't operated by the official Lubuntu team.
 We don't have any control. You would have to ask them. Ideally if they couldjust point to Lubuntu.me that would be best.
 I have no idea. You will have to look around on their website. We have no affiliation with them and any request we have made goes unanswered.
 @rus
 Rudra Neither the owner of the site nor the host or domain name registrar have responded to any of my contact attempts. Hopefully you have better luck!
 I have a calendar reminder set up for when it's currently listed to expire and I may just end up buying the domain.
[17:11] <santimir[m]> best thing would be only one website of that kind...
 which is why the Lubuntu team has been trying to get lubuntu.net when it expires
 Yes, it would. But considering that no one on the Lubuntu team or at Canonical has any control over lubuntu.net that's not possible.
[17:13] <santimir[m]> agree, so after buying it maybe closing it would be better...
[17:13] <santimir[m]> btw: I've sent an email to help on the lubuntu manual editing, as every now and then I read it, and it's plenty of spelling errors...
[17:13] <santimir[m]> don't know if this is the right place to ask
 santimir[m] feel free to join our development channel to discuss contributing to the manual.
[17:16] <santimir[m]> maybe, .net sounds slightly better
[17:16] <santimir[m]>  * agree, and .net sounds slightly better
[17:17] <santimir[m]> thanks kc2bez . Will do.
[17:17] <kc2bez> santimir[m] #lubuntu-devel is the channel
[17:18] <kc2bez> We will gladly welcome any contributions!
[17:19] <axel_> hello
[17:19] <axel_> can someone tell me how to add an icon program to the bottom panel
[17:19] <kc2bez> which version of Lubuntu axel_ ?
[17:20] <axel_> 19.10
[17:21] <kc2bez> You should be able to drag the item from the menu to the quick launch area. It can be a bit tricky to get it in the right location  but when the green circle turns green it should be good.
[17:22] <axel_> where is the quick launch area, besides the show desktop icon?
[17:22] <kc2bez> Yes.
[17:25] <axel_> i drag it there in the green circle but nothing happens
[17:25] <axel_> i want the brave browser icon be beside the show desktop like the firefox was
[17:25] <kc2bez> When you see the green circle just let go of the mouse button and it should stay there.
[17:30] <axel_> is there a way to reset the bottom panel because now it doesnt even appear the green circle
[17:55] <santimir[m]> try typing lxqt-panel
[17:55] <santimir[m]> im not an expert, but it won;t brake your system neither...
[17:55] <santimir[m]>  * im not an expert, but it won't brake your system neither...
[17:55] <santimir[m]>  * try typing `lxqt-panel` on terminal
[17:58] <santimir[m]> it should re launch the bottom panel
[18:01] <santimir[m]> bad idea
[18:30] <kc2bez> santimir[m]: they left the channel right after their question. You shouldn't have to restart you panel as long as the quick launch is present. It is just a bit tough some times to get the drag and drop set just right so the item will drop.
[22:14] <santimir[m]> kc2bez: yes, that's why I remove it later, though you were able to read it somehow...
[22:14] <santimir[m]>  * kc2bez: yes, that's why I removed it later, though you were able to read it somehow...
[22:24] <kc2bez> It is ok, you likely only removed it from matrix. the users on IRC and Telegram could still see it. I just didn't want you to wonder why no one replied.