 :P )
[01:40] <knome> heh
[01:41] <knome> pushing to main branch then
[01:42] <knome> bluesabre, you like the monkey?
[01:42] <knome> bluesabre, let me flesh out the memory
[01:43] <knome> bluesabre, didn't somebody tell you they won't give you the upload perms for the slideshow, and that somebody who has the perms will do it on request?
[01:45] <bluesabre> knome: yeah, I think that was the case
[01:45] <knome> so do you want to poke people with that now or...? :)
[01:45] <knome> was there a way to check who has upload permissions for a specific package?
[01:47] <Unit193> ubuntu-core-dev, kubuntu-dev, ubuntu-desktop  people in those teams.
[01:50] <bluesabre> ^
[01:50] <knome> bluesabre, so you want to poke people about that?
[01:51] <bluesabre> knome: I'll mention it to infinity
[01:51] <knome> thanks
[01:51] <bluesabre> he was going to rebuild some stuff for me tonight/tomorrow
[01:51] <knome> please also mention to update the translation templates
[01:51] <bluesabre> so that goes along with it
[01:51] <knome> and thanks
[01:51] <bluesabre> oh... is that not part of it?
[01:51] <knome> bluesabre, i didn't do it
[01:51] <knome> i can look into doing it
[01:52] <knome> but i've never done it :)
[01:52] <knome> (i think)
[01:52] <bluesabre> :D
[01:54] <knome> oh
[01:54] <knome> make pot
[01:54] <Unit193> ok
[01:54] <knome> ;)
[01:55] <knome> guess that was too easy.
[01:55] <knome> bluesabre, now the branch has the translation templates up-to-date too
[01:55] <bluesabre> lol
[03:57] <Unit193> So what's Xfce's plan with Xfwm4 and -DMONITOR_ROOT_PIXMAP?
[07:20] <elfy> Unit193: ftr - my eyes are fine - it's everyone else :p
[07:20] <Unit193> Ahh.
[07:20] <elfy> obvious really
[09:18] <Unit193> bluesabre: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-notifyd/0.2.4-3ubuntu1 ones like that you want to use build1, as autosync will then run on that package.
[09:19] <Unit193> xfce4-dict, ah you already know this.  Nevermind then.
[10:54] <bluesabre> Unit193: I'm learning as I go :)
[11:18] <brainvvash> bluesabre, trusty users who upgraded to xfce 4.12 via ppa encounter the qt theming problem
[11:19] <knome> well, aren't we telling them they use the PPA at their own risk?
[11:19] <brainvvash> how is that possible?
[11:19] <bluesabre> brainvvash: no idea
[11:19] <bluesabre> obviously something used to tell qt what to do
[11:19] <bluesabre> and now it doesn't
[11:20] <brainvvash> it looks like that
[11:20] <brainvvash> xfce4-settings?
[11:20] <bluesabre> what they can do is install and set qt-config
[11:20] <bluesabre> or not use a ppa
[11:20] <knome> qt4-qtconfig
[11:21] <bluesabre> probably something in xfsettingsd
[11:21] <brainvvash> the question is, did Xfce change anything to trigger the theming issue? It always looked like qt was the culprit
[11:22] <bluesabre> it probably did at some point
[11:22] <bluesabre> good luck finding the commit in the last 3 years of development
[11:22] <bluesabre> then again, I'm not sure if should be up to xfce to set the qt theme
[11:22] <bluesabre> mate also has the same problem
[11:23] <brainvvash> indeed
[11:23] <brainvvash> trusty has xfce4-settings 4.11.2, utopic 4.11.3
[11:24] <brainvvash> we noticed this issue in utopic, and x-d-s installs the skel qt config file
[11:24] <bluesabre> right
[11:27] <brainvvash> I'll check if other distros are affected too
[11:27] <bluesabre> ok
[11:27] <brainvvash> could be ubuntu specicifc
[11:27] <brainvvash> specific
[11:27] <bluesabre> knome: you may want to ping #ubuntu-devel folks if you don'
[11:28] <bluesabre> t see a slideshow upload in the next hour or so
[11:28] <bluesabre> infinity finished uploading the rest of xfce a few moments ago
[11:29] <bluesabre> so that may very well land in vivid-release today
[11:29] <knome> mhm
[11:31] <bluesabre> I'm looking forward to getting to bug fixes once all these uploads are finally done :)
[11:31] <knome> heh
[11:32] <knome> i'm looking forward to the status tracker looking much better after all the uploads are done
[12:22] <brainvvash> bluesabre, bug 1305294
[12:25] <brainvvash> setting this env var allows qt to determine the correct theme style, tested with "GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID=123 clementine"
[12:26] <brainvvash> unity has GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID=this-is-deprecated
[14:42] <brainvvash> bluesabre, there is also QT_STYLE_OVERRIDE=gtk
[14:44] <brainvvash> could be used instead of putting the conf file into the skel directory
[14:50] <brainvvash> actually, this one does not work
[15:28] <nerdistmonk> man that was a fast kernel update lol
[15:29] <elfy> thanks nerdistmonk - I thought for a moment that I was dreaming yesterdays :)
[15:29] <nerdistmonk> yeah, same here, i swore i just got a new version of 3.19 just last night
[15:29] <elfy> yea - you did
[15:29] <nerdistmonk> oh well, i like new and shiny lol
[15:30] <nerdistmonk> at least wine finally got updated
[15:30] <elfy> wouldn't have a clue about that
[15:30] <nerdistmonk> it hadn't been updated in 7 weeks (unrelated to this room obviously)
[15:31] <elfy> never used wine
[15:31] <nerdistmonk> i use it all the time, its a cornerstone for me.
[15:31] <elfy> well - not for years
[15:32] <nerdistmonk> Couldn't play simcity 4 without it, couldn't play alot of stuff without it.
[15:34] <nerdistmonk> reboot time for nerdy
[15:41] <drc> what is "oneconf-query"? I keep getting (ad odd times) this error.
[15:46] <drc> again :(
[15:52] <drc> To hell with it...now I have to have an UbuntuOne account to auto-report a bug?  I'm done with Canonical.  Sorry guys, I really like Xubuntu and the community (a lot), but am tired of the crap one has to put up from "higher".
[20:16] <ochosi> !team | progress for V is looking great – good job, everyone! http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-v/group/topic-v-flavor-xubuntu.html
[20:30] <Unit193> Noskcaj: I know Corsac had some objection to the latest screenshooter, but what about taskmanager 1.1.0?
[20:31] <Noskcaj> Unit193, I've not heard anything. Do you want me to check or can you?
[20:36] <Unit193> Well, just generally wondering if he had an objection, or if it was likely just missed.  I think it may have gone GTK3.
[21:42] <bluesabre> Unit193: the latest taskmanager can be built with gtk2 or 3
[21:42] <knome> bluesabre, yai, Riddell's going to handle the slideshow upload if you didn't pick that up yet :)
[21:45] <bluesabre> knome: great
[21:45] <bluesabre> I saw that all the packages finally landed today as well
[21:45] <Unit193> bluesabre: Hmm.   :P
[21:50] <bluesabre> noodle bowl and a chicken patty
[21:50] <knome> mhm
[21:50] <elfy> I'm assuming it's not cat-pawed chicken
[21:50] <knome> surely yummy
[21:50] <knome> elfy, who knows... ;)
[21:50] <bluesabre> lol
[21:51] <bluesabre> the box says chicken
[21:51] <bluesabre> and thats all I know
[21:51] <knome> well if it is, it's possible that they are eating chicken-pawed cat tomorrow..
[21:51] <bluesabre> ;)
[21:51] <elfy> bluesabre: if you want some cat-pawed I've got some you can have ...
[21:51] <knome> bluesabre, oh noes, take away?
[21:51] <knome> well anyway i'm happy that..
[21:51] <knome> ...we have this important development discussion logged
[21:52] <nerdistmonk> woah big pile-o-updates
[21:52] <nerdistmonk> lol
[21:52] <bluesabre> :D
[21:52] <bluesabre> very important
[21:52] <bluesabre> bbiab
[21:52] <elfy> hah
[21:52] <knome> development of bluesabre's tummy :d
[21:53] <bluesabre> yessir
[21:53] <bluesabre> yum
[21:54] <nerdistmonk> hmm it wants to remove nouveau during this update
[21:56] <nerdistmonk> oh well i dont use it anyways, no guts no glory and all that jazz.
[21:56] <elfy> dist-upgrade only wants to remove xserver-xorg-video-modesetting here
[21:57] <nerdistmonk> over here it wants to gank the following xorg drivers: modesetting, intel, nouveau and 'all'
[21:57] <nerdistmonk> its hard telling, just going to ignore it
[21:57] <nerdistmonk> its likely a difference in repos because i use xorg edgers
[21:57] <elfy> reinstalled all of those here
[21:57] <elfy> aah right
[21:58] <elfy> I'll remember that when sudoku doesn't work ...
[21:58] <nerdistmonk> i use the binary nvidia driver so its not a huge painful loss
[21:58] <nerdistmonk> i quit using nouveau because it liked to crash the OS while gaming.
[21:59] <nerdistmonk> made me think i was using mac os 9 while trying to play Xonotic lol, sysrq-reisub is your friend.
[22:01] <Unit193> elfy: Same, -modsetting.
[22:01] <nerdistmonk> xorg edgers may likely be causing the 3 extra drivers to popup on mine since its also giving me a new binary driver right now too.
[22:01] <elfy> Unit193: good - not going nuts then :)
[22:02] <nerdistmonk> exciting isn't it?
[22:02] <nerdistmonk> you just never know what color undies apt-get is going to fetch for you each morning. :D
[22:04] <nerdistmonk> 346.47 of the nvidia binary driver, oh goodie, i likely gained 2fps in a game i do not own yet. :D
[22:15] <nerdistmonk> You know what i wished worked in xubuntu? The CPU Freq applet in xfce
[22:15] <nerdistmonk> I had to just give in and write myself a script to change the cpu governors for me, because the cpu-freq applet isn't able to because it needs root privileges to do so.
[22:24] <nerdistmonk> hmmm i see why nouveau got yoinked
[22:25] <nerdistmonk> depends on xorg-video-abi or something like that.
[22:25] <nerdistmonk> and theres no package by that name in my repos currently.
[22:25] <nerdistmonk> *shrugs* meh it will fix itself eventually.


[05:08] <jambeedrum> can i get  a different driver for my usb mic?
[07:19] <sam__> whoami
[07:21] <sam__> help
[07:22] <len-1304> sam__, You have a question?  Like what happened/what you think should have happened
[07:30] <sam__> I have a number of partitions and I have a lot of problems
[07:30] <len-1304> Ok, and...
[07:30] <len-1304> details.
[07:32] <sam__> sabayon has "taken over" one of them
[07:32] <len-1304> And sabayon is what or who?
[07:32] <len-1304> details......
[07:33] <len-1304> Number of partitions.
[07:33] <sam__> shal I send fdisk list to you?
[07:33] <len-1304> what is on each
[07:33] <len-1304> what OS are you running?
[07:34] <sam__> ubuntu, mint, baktrace etc...
[07:34] <sam__> this is studio now
[07:34] <len-1304> OK
[07:35] <len-1304> Studio is ubuntu
[07:35] <sam__> yes
[07:37] <len-1304> So are you going to describe your problem?
[07:39] <sam__> /dev/sda1   *    19503104    48997244    14747070+  83  Linux
[07:39] <sam__> /dev/sda2            2048    19503103     9750528   83  Linux
[07:39] <sam__> /dev/sda3        51292158   312580095   130643969    5  Extended
[07:39] <sam__> /dev/sda4        48998400    51291367     1146484   82  Linux swap / Solaris
[07:39] <sam__> /dev/sda5       161409024   182456701    10523839   83  Linux
[07:39] <sam__> /dev/sda6       104452096   133746687    14647296   8e  Linux LVM
[07:39] <sam__> /dev/sda7       133748736   135895039     1073152   82  Linux swap / Solaris
[07:39] <sam__> /dev/sda8       232364032   269809344    18722656+  8e  Linux LVM
[07:39] <sam__> /dev/sda9        72663040   104450149    15893555   83  Linux
[07:39] <sam__> /dev/sda10       51292160    72661300    10684570+  83  Linux
[07:39] <sam__> /dev/sda11      135897088   161404900    12753906+  83  Linux
[07:39] <sam__> /dev/sda12      293556224   312580095     9511936   83  Linux
[07:39] <sam__> /dev/sda13      182458368   196809930     7175781+  83  Linux
[07:39] <sam__> /dev/sda14      196810752   214388735     8788992   83  Linux
[07:39] <sam__> /dev/sda15      214390784   216342527      975872   82  Linux swap / Solaris
[07:39] <sam__> /dev/sda16      269809664   293553804    11872070+  83  Linux
[07:39] <sam__> ubunto studio is on sda16
[07:40] <len-1304> Ok, you have a bunch of partitions what is not happening that should or happening that should not?
[07:40] <sam__> empty lvm partitions
[07:41] <len-1304> Not very descriptive
[07:42] <sam__> partition sda2 has sabayon on it that I am not able to get rid of
[07:43] <len-1304> Sabayon is a distro?
[07:44] <len-1304> You want to get rid of it so you can do what?
[07:44] <sam__> it is a gentoo distro
[07:45] <len-1304> And you have tried reformating?
[07:45] <sam__> that partition 2 be just ubuntu without sabayon
[07:46] <len-1304> So does it have some ubuntu on it right now?
[07:47] <len-1304> Do you just want to use it for storage? Or to put some part of the file tree on it? or another version of linux?
[07:47] <sam__> I reinstalled ubuntu 12.10 ontop of part 2 but sabayon stays there messing up partition
[07:48] <len-1304> Is sabayon on more than just that partition?
[07:48] <sam__> I want to recover partition
[07:50] <len-1304> You want to recover sda2. recover the ubuntu or the sabayon?
[07:51] <len-1304> If you have over written something, I don't know if it can be recovered.
[07:53] <sam__> thanks len I will try to put ubuntu studio on it see what happens bye for now
[07:53] <len-1304> Sorry I could not be more help
[07:54] <sam__> thanx good day
[16:22] <lomandv> 大家好
[16:23] <lomandv> HI all
[18:33] <Nephi> im moving a large file between drives. file transfers often stall, how can i view the processes and their disk usage?
[18:34] <Nephi> i cant tell if this file is moving or not
[18:41] <zequence> Nephi: iotop?
[18:42] <Nephi> will try it out
[18:46] <Nephi> yup that tells me what i wanted to know
[18:46] <Nephi> its totally not even trying
[18:47] <Nephi> thanx much


[00:27] <babbageclunk> veebers: extra data point - it looks like it might also happen when new controller machines are added? It looks like the mysql unit responds to the config-changed, and updates it status to "maintenance", at which point the mediawiki unit goes to "blocked", and then the mediawiki unit never changes back to "active"
[00:59] <veebers> babbageclunk: cheers, I think I know when it's happening, I just have to confirm. (the db-relation-departed hook removes the canary file it uses to say "I have a connection") I think it's being triggered and miss-handled
[01:00] <babbageclunk> veebers: ah, ok
[01:01] <vino> babbageclunk: do u have a min...to discuss upon this issue i mentioned this morning
[01:02] <vino> ?
[01:02] <babbageclunk> vino: sure
[01:02] <vino> hangout ?
[01:03] <babbageclunk> I'm in standup
[01:10] <veebers> Oh, babbageclunk btw: juju show-status-log mediawiki/0
[01:22] <babbageclunk> veebers: oh right - I always forget that command. Will that show all the hooks that get run?
[01:23] <veebers> babbageclunk: aye it does, in the order they where run, with the message etc. v/ helpful for what I want
[01:23] <babbageclunk> cool
[02:07] <ahop1983> Hello! Is there anyone out there with knowledge of using a pre-existing charm as a layer if it does not exist in https://github.com/juju/layer-index/tree/master/layers ?
[02:09] <ahop1983> My team is running into this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1764317
[02:09] <mup> Bug #1764317: bionic LXD containers on bionic hosts get incorrect /etc/resolve.conf files <bionic> <cdo-qa> <cdo-qa-blocker> <foundations-engine> <kvm> <lxd> <network> <uosci> <juju:Triaged by ecjones> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1764317>
[02:11] <ahop1983> Our idea of a fix is to dynamically generate the DNS data using a charm hook and merge it into the affected preexisting charms, but we are not sure of the best way to get this done.
[03:02] <vino> anastasiamac: is there a way to check logs on status of upgrade at controller side ?
[03:02] <vino> veebers: if anyone can help me on the above question..
[03:03] <anastasiamac> vino: u can check controller logs:
[03:03] <anastasiamac> swicth to controller model, ssh inot machine and broswe the logs
[03:06] <veebers> Is there a why to find the gh/lp page for a charm? (i.e. https://jujucharms.com/mediawiki/ I want to propose a fix0
[03:12] <babbageclunk> veebers: generally there's a link on the charmstore page
[03:13] <veebers> ah right, I had thought so too. Perhaps I'll try file a bug with a pastebin of the diff to fix it.
[03:13] <babbageclunk> veebers: https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+source/mediawiki
[03:13] <veebers> babbageclunk: cheers L:-)
[03:32] <veebers> where can one see the current bugs for 2.4? I can only see fix committed or in progress ones.
[03:42] <anastasiamac> veebers: for next beta - https://launchpad.net/juju/+milestone/2.4-beta2
[03:43] <anastasiamac> veebers: or all existing - https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju
[03:44] <veebers> anastasiamac: ah right, I had assumed there would be bugs targetted against 2.4 in general
[03:45] <anastasiamac> veebers: so have i but it does not think so.. it looks like tags were used at one stage but all tagged 2.4 bugs have been addressed :)
[03:46] <veebers> anastasiamac: that's good, seems we're on top of the fixes going into 2.4
[03:46] <veebers> anastasiamac: is https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1465317 still valid?
[03:46] <mup> Bug #1465317: ubuntu devel macos win: panic: osVersion reported an error: Could not determine series <osx> <packaging> <wily> <windows> <juju:Triaged> <juju-core:Won't
[03:46] <mup> Fix> <juju-core 1.24:Won't Fix> <juju-core 1.25:Won't Fix> <juju-release-tools:Fix Released by sinzui> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1465317>
[03:48] <anastasiamac> veebers: i do not have more info than on the bug.. mayb? :)
[03:49] <anastasiamac> veebers: fwiw it hink we've had couple of attempts at resolving it for good (as opposed to band-aid solutions) but obviously have not resolved it.... would b brilliant to fix :)
[07:49] <eriklonroth> Hello! We are trying to make use of "ansible" with juju. How would we make best use of that without needing to rebuild existing charms for our use-case? I've seen a "layer-ansible" somewhere but I would hope to get some input on the subject.
[08:08] <TheAbsentOne> hi eriklonroth from what I've read the ansible layer should fill that need. Do you want a standalone charm or do you want things on top of the ansible layer?
[08:10] <eriklonroth> Thanx! I think I need something standalone as I'm not yet sure how to puzzle this into the different services we are to create. It would be good to not have to go through a vast testing phase each time a change is made to ansible layers or/and the target charms.
[08:10] <eriklonroth> ... a subordinate charm is perhaps the way to go ?
[08:12] <TheAbsentOne> eriklonroth: I think it depends, in your case I would try first with a normal charm and https://github.com/chuckbutler/ansible-base layer to test playbooks. Once that works it might be easier to determine what you want the charm to do :)
[08:13] <TheAbsentOne> https://github.com/chuckbutler/charms.ansible 's second method might be interesting to look at too
[08:13] <eriklonroth> Thanx for that advice. What are your thoughts about this thing I just googled. v
[08:13] <eriklonroth> https://github.com/cmars/juju-ansible
[08:38] <TheAbsentOne> eriklonroth: I think it's outdated honestly, if it works sure nice thing but I don't see a reason to not use the reactive framework and the existing layers. It all depends however what you want to do with ansible and on what level
[08:39] <eriklonroth> I see
[08:39] <eriklonroth> OK, I'll take your advice to begin with and see where we end up. Do you know of any examples I can look at ?
[08:45] <TheAbsentOne> unfortunately not really, haven't used it myself maybe others here can help
[09:10] <srihas> hi, when I run "juju deploy --constraints tags=compute --config compute.yaml nova-compute" and check the status the public address is by default coming from the IP of of the first NIC in MAAS to that node
[09:12] <srihas> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wGQJnxDMdm/
[09:13] <srihas> Its always taking the IP from storage space while I expect from the management space. Is there a way to specify that in compute.yaml?
[09:19] <zeestrat> srihas: You probably want to look at bundles https://jujucharms.com/docs/2.3/charms-bundles#binding-endpoints-within-a-bundle or specifying binds via the cli https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/charms-deploying-advanced#deploying-to-network-spaces
[09:22] <srihas> zeestrat: aha, will see into it. seems I understood something thatnk you
[09:23] <srihas> zeestrat: but if there are 4 subnets in "management" space which IP will come to my_ip in the nova.config?
[09:23] <srihas> when I bind the "management" space
[09:26] <zeestrat> srihas: That's a good question. Not sure. Does the machine in maas have interfaces for all those subnets?
[09:26] <srihas> zeestrat: no, I have given static IP from one of those subnets specifically
[09:26] <srihas> I hope it solves
[09:28] <zeestrat> srihas: Gotcha. Hope it does the right thing.
[12:09] <srihas> zeestrat: no, it didn't it simply ignored the "bind" :(
[12:33] <srihas> yayy, it worked, thanks zeestrat
[13:02] <srihas> is there a way to tell juju to install ocata version? I got Mitaka version of nova-compute. Can someone help?
[13:20] <zeestrat> srihas: You can use the openstack-origin option for most of the openstack charms, for exmaple "openstack-origin: cloud:xenial-ocata".
[13:21] <zeestrat> srihas: If you look at the main openstack bundle from the openstack-charmers (https://jujucharms.com/openstack-base/, see bundle.yaml) you can see the "openstack-origin" option used for the latest release, queens.
[13:24] <TheAbsentOne> zeestrat: have you used the mysql-shared or pgsql interface recently in a charm (reactive) by any chance?
[13:25] <srihas> zeestrat: /win35
[13:25] <srihas> nvm
[13:27] <zeestrat> TheAbsentOne: No I haven't, sorry.
[13:29] <TheAbsentOne> never lucky x)
[13:32] <srihas> zeestrat: I think I understood it again, thank you
[13:39] <TheAbsentOne> https://pastebin.com/4znUZhvv confused why this is not enough for the mysql-shared interface, got things working on mysql interface but not on shared where I can share dbname-credentials :/
[16:18] <bdx> TheAbsentOne: it helps if you post the github repo with all of the charm code, off the top of my head I see a slew of issues there
[16:20] <bdx> TheAbsentOne: here's how I've done it in the past https://github.com/omnivector-solutions/layer-documize/blob/master/reactive/documize.py
[16:22] <bdx> TheAbsentOne: ^ code is now pretty stale though, it should be implemented using reactive Endpoints, and flags etc etc
[16:23] <bdx> I'll ping you with an update when I've refactored that to use the new bits
[16:23] <bdx> TheAbsentOne: hopefully that will get you thinking in the right direction though
[17:17] <bdx> TheAbsentOne: it helps if you post the github repo with all of the charm code, off the top of my head I see a slew of issues there
[17:17] <bdx> TheAbsentOne: here's how I've done it in the past https://github.com/omnivector-solutions/layer-documize/blob/master/reactive/documize.py
[17:17] <bdx> TheAbsentOne: ^ code is now pretty stale though, it should be implemented using reactive Endpoints, and flags etc etc
[17:24] <TheAbsentOne> thanks bdx, gonna take a look. I might get back to you if I find myself struggling once again; great link!
[17:24] <bdx> np
[17:57] <TheAbsentOne> bdx: it seems I used the configure function wrong, but weirdly enough the flag on database.available is never set. There must be another issue
[17:58] <bdx> TheAbsentOne: make a very minimal example charm to zero in and debug just the mysql relation bits
[17:59] <bdx> you could do it with two handlers
[17:59] <bdx> let me see if I can get a quick example for you
[18:01] <TheAbsentOne> bdx: I might have found it but my battery is dying on me so have to go. If I'm still in need of help I'll ping you for some help after putting everything online too, thanks for the guidance though!
[18:01] <bdx> np
[20:17] <veebers> Morning team \o/
[20:58] <veebers> I'm pretty sure I've seen chatter re: percona-cluster and hooks issues recently, can anyone update me?
[21:53] <veebers> To use a local copy of a reactive charm I need to build it right? I recall doing something like this *ages* ago but the details escape me
[21:57] <veebers> heh, I think I have it. 'charm build' has done something without error, going to try that z^_^_
[22:02] <bdx> TheAbsentOne: https://github.com/jamesbeedy/mysql-shared-example
[22:04] <TheAbsentOne> damn bdx I was just typing I got it working xD
[22:05] <bdx> :)
[22:05] <bdx> it was good for me too
[22:05] <TheAbsentOne> there is only one thing fishy about my status's/flags when the database already exists
[22:06] <TheAbsentOne> but in all honesty, we need more examples of this bdx like real "state of the art examples"
[22:07] <bdx> TheAbsentOne: you can look at the code of any of the upstream charms <- usually what I do when I'm in need of examples
[22:07] <TheAbsentOne> I pretty much have the same now of your minimal example xD sorry for the work you had to do
[22:07] <TheAbsentOne> and well as a matter of fact I was looking at https://github.com/omnivector-solutions/interface-conda/blob/master/provides.py for some inspiration
[22:08] <TheAbsentOne> I'm still having issues in creating my own interface
[22:23] <TheAbsentOne> anyway I'm off to bed, thanks again for the help bdx! Goodnight
[23:04] <veebers> ugh, I've been watching the wrong application thinking it's the one causing the failure :-\
[23:05] <anastasiamac> veebers: just knowing that gets u closer to determining the root cause
[23:06] <veebers> anastasiamac: at teardown I'm seeing the machine being torn down but not the application and it keeps trying. That seems odd right? if it's machine is gone there essentially is no more application
[23:06] <veebers> kelvinliu: where you looking at percona-cluster hooks issues recently?
[23:06] <anastasiamac> veebers: not necessarily
[23:06] <anastasiamac> veebers: if it's a unit than yes, however, the applictaion is k to exist without any units (machines)
[23:07] <veebers> anastasiamac: oh ok, cool I'll continue digging
[23:07] <veebers> I'm wondering if it'll be like yesterday where I spent hours digging all to come up with a 3 line fix ^_^
[23:15] <anastasiamac> well, they do say that simplicity is ingenuios (or smth like that)


[04:45] <scott_ev> akgraner: I hate to admit this, but I lost the link to the google doc again
[04:45] <scott_ev> I thought I bookmarked it
[16:44] <akgraner> scott_ev, no worries
[16:46] <akgraner> Any Fridge Editors around?  If so could someone proof this article :-), please RE Winners of the world Play Day competition - http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/2046   Thanks in advance :-)
[18:32] <nhandler> akgraner: It looks good. I just got a little confused about what caption went with what picture when I first looked at it. Maybe move the captions closer to the pictures that they describe
[19:19] <akgraner> nhandler, alrighty :-)  will do :-)
[19:20] <nhandler> :)
[19:29] <akgraner> nhandler, can you refresh and look now?  Let me know if that is better - thanks :-)
[19:30] <nhandler> akgraner: Much better. Go ahead and publish
[19:32] <akgraner> oh I closed the gap between the 1st line and the 1st picture as well and too out "Community Winner" at the end of the sentence that describes that, so it reads better now :-/
[19:32] <akgraner> nhandler, thanks!
[19:33] <akgraner> nhandler, when does the school year end for you?
[19:34] <nhandler> akgraner: It is pretty much over. I just have one more final on Wednesday
[19:34] <akgraner> :-) awesome  - hope it all goes well - Good Luck on your final!
[19:35] <nhandler> akgraner: Thanks. It shouldn't be too bad.
[19:35] <akgraner> the reason I ask is I found some interviews that will need to be added to the interviews page - but not sure when I will have time to do that - will you have some time in two or 3 weeks to work on that?
[19:36] <nhandler> akgraner: You mean the interviews wiki page?
[19:36] <akgraner> I have been adding them to my interviews spread sheet - but considering I am only working with one hand these days - it's not my top priority
[19:37] <akgraner> nhandler, yep - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Interviews
[19:37] <nhandler> akgraner: Yeah, I can update the wiki page. Where are the interviews that need to be added?
[19:37] <akgraner> one sec I'll get you the info
[19:38] <akgraner> nhandler, https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AtKZelXU8Y2LdFA3eGZhcDk1RkFwa2QwV3AyNFdUVGc&hl=en
[19:38] <akgraner> sheet 1
[19:38] <akgraner> the grayed out ones need to be added
[19:38] <akgraner> you should be able to sort by date
[19:39] <akgraner> I didn't get all the blip TV ones added to the spreadsheet yet
[19:40] <akgraner> Interpid, Jaunty, and Karmic UDS videos still need to be added - I got the links for Lucid and Maverick  - so I'll add them as I get a chance just not sure when that will be :-/
[19:41] <akgraner> nhandler, thank you!
[19:41] <nhandler> Alright. I can get the grayed out ones added to the wiki this weekend
[20:07] <nhandler> akgraner: Should be all set now. There is still one gray person (kirkland) due to missing a link
[20:08] <akgraner> nhandler, awesome!  Thank you!
[20:08] <nhandler> akgraner: No problem. That is a very nice spreadsheet you've got there
[20:08] <akgraner> yeah - I am not sure what happened to his interview, gotta track it down :-/
[20:08] <ZachK_> hey akgraner
[20:08] <akgraner> thanks - I love spreadsheets
[20:09] <akgraner> ZachK_, hey!
[20:09] <akgraner> nhandler, I'll email you all my interview sheets - just so someone else has all the links in case I get hit by a bus
[20:10] <nhandler> akgraner: That works. Or just share them with me on Google Docs
[20:10] <nhandler> nathan.handler [at] gmail [dot] com
[20:10] <akgraner> nhandler, DOH!
[20:10] <akgraner> :-)
[20:10] <nhandler> :)
[20:10] <akgraner> I'll add you as I access them then :-)
[20:10] <akgraner> thanks
[21:03] <akgraner> internalkernel, hey! do you have a few minutes for me?
[21:04] <internalkernel> yes, in about five minutes...
[21:04] <akgraner> ok ping me please :-D
[21:11] <internalkernel> akgraner: ping!
[21:13] <akgraner> internalkernel, I apologize in advance - I am only typing with one had so be patient  :-)
[21:13] <internalkernel> dare I ask? what are you doing with the other?
[21:13] <akgraner> pinched nerve and damager to my rotator cuff in my left arm :-P
[21:13] <ZachK_> akgraner: ouch...what the heck did you do that for?
[21:13] <akgraner> it's in a sling silly
[21:14] <internalkernel> ouch... bummer..
[21:14] <akgraner> internalkernel, look at the google doc please
[21:14] <akgraner> I want to go through it with you
[21:14] <internalkernel> okay
[21:14] <akgraner> cjohnston, if you are around and want to join in please do
[21:15]  * ZachK_ will join in..not that i'll know what's going on
[21:15] <akgraner> ZachK_, sure
[21:15] <akgraner> do you still have the google doc link I gave you?
[21:16] <ZachK_> akgraner: ah let me see
[21:16] <akgraner> we could do the same with the wiki page but it's easier for me to use the google doc them move stuff
[21:16] <ZachK_> akgraner: issue 195?
[21:16] <akgraner> yep
[21:16] <ZachK_> ok on it
[21:17] <akgraner> here is the link incase anyone else wants to join in - https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AdKZelXU8Y2LZGNrcHRkYmhfODlkODNxNnRnZA&hl=en
[21:17] <akgraner> please ask questions as I go over all this
[21:18] <akgraner> So we gather links and write summaries on those links during the week (in a perfect world)
[21:18] <ZachK_> lol
[21:18] <akgraner> normally it gets done on Sundays - which means - the 4 or 5 people working on the newsletter are spending 10 to 12 hours each Sunday to produce the newsletter
[21:19] <ZachK_> which is not good
[21:19] <internalkernel> right, which we want to balance out...
[21:19] <akgraner> So I set up this google doc as it's easier for me to edit - but you can add to the wiki as well - but then it gets hard to make sure there aren't dups
[21:20] <akgraner> so I am asking everyone to use the google doc for now
[21:20] <akgraner> scott_ev, ping - if you are around you can join in too
[21:20] <akgraner> so I always create an new working google doc on Sunday evening
[21:20] <akgraner> and label what goes in where
[21:21] <ZachK_> sounds like a good idea akgraner
[21:21] <akgraner> the Welcome, In this Issue and GCN General Community News the editor will add
[21:21] <akgraner> so that leaves all the rest of the sections
[21:22] <akgraner> so General Community News - is stuff that is of interest to the whole community
[21:22] <akgraner> release schedules, new members, new apps, UDS etc
[21:22] <akgraner> oh please feel free to ask questions during this
[21:23] <akgraner> You'll notice we still use wiki markup on the google doc
[21:23] <akgraner> as that makes it easier to cut and paste
[21:23] <akgraner> the next Section is Ubuntu Stats
[21:24] <akgraner> which is Bug Stats, Translation Stats, and the top 5 Brainstorm Ideas each week
[21:25] <akgraner> those are pretty simple - we provide the link and then it's just reporting the difference between weeks on the Bug and Translation Stats
[21:25] <akgraner> the Brainstorm ones are just the idea and a link to that idea
[21:25] <akgraner> cjohnston, and Lizar both work on these
[21:25] <internalkernel> So - for clarification on categories... for instance, the news regarding Skype should be in General Community News - or is that more like In the News?
[21:26] <akgraner> that would go into In Other News
[21:26] <akgraner> b/c while it effects Ubuntu Users it is not an Ubuntu Application
[21:26] <akgraner> does that make sense?
[21:26] <ZachK_> akgraner: my thought exactly
[21:27] <internalkernel> yes, I just wanted to clarify since it's kinda sorta riding the line there...
[21:27] <ZachK_> it's not an ubuntu app but it can work on it
[21:27] <akgraner> nods - but if you add something and it should go somewhere else - I'll just move it - so no biggie
[21:28] <akgraner> it is more important to me right now to get more people trained on how and where to add information - so the UWN folks aren't giving up their weekends
[21:28] <internalkernel> ok, I'll understand it all eventually. :)
[21:28] <ZachK_> internalkernel: you new to UWN then?
[21:28] <akgraner> internalkernel, please ask me a million questions if you need to
[21:29] <internalkernel> that'd be cool... and those one-armed people are not having to type all night long...
[21:29] <akgraner> nods
[21:29] <akgraner> :-)
[21:29] <ZachK_> we love akgraner
[21:29] <internalkernel> ZachK_: I am...
[21:29]  * ZachK_ gives akgraner a hug
[21:29] <ZachK_> internalkernel: ah cool...
[21:29] <akgraner> ZachK_, thanks!
[21:29]  * ZachK_ is a bit new still too
[21:29] <akgraner> so after the stats
[21:29] <akgraner> it's LoCo news
[21:29] <ZachK_> internalkernel: akgraner recruited me cause of my UBER awesome wiki skills
[21:29] <ZachK_> lol
[21:30] <akgraner> right now I pull the LoCo information
[21:30] <internalkernel> lol... awesome, that's something I'm still working on...
[21:30] <ZachK_> internalkernel: wiki skills?
[21:30] <internalkernel> yes
[21:30] <akgraner> and I know I don't get them all so I have started emailing the loco-contacts list every two weeks or so as a reminder
[21:30] <ZachK_> internalkernel: i can help
[21:30] <ZachK_> internalkernel: i'm a wiki focus group lead
[21:30] <akgraner> so that should help as well
[21:31] <akgraner> ZachK_, please PM internalkernel your personal wiki page then it will make sense to him :-)
[21:31] <internalkernel> I will have many questions, when I have time to deal with my wiki... :)
[21:31] <ZachK_> akgraner: roger
[21:31] <akgraner> so the LoCo section -
[21:32] <ZachK_> internalkernel: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZachK_
[21:32] <akgraner> is anything that tells about the what the loco teams are doing or have done each week
[21:32] <akgraner> there are times I use google translate so I can write up a summary but I always link to the original source
[21:33] <akgraner> and now we have the loco-directory so it is a good source of information as well
[21:34] <akgraner> any questions on what goes in the LoCo Section
[21:35] <akgraner> My goal is to eventually have 1 person per section with a back-up and that each person who works on the newsletter knows how to do all the sections
[21:35] <akgraner> but that will come in time
[21:37] <internalkernel> makes sense...
[21:37] <akgraner> so the next section is Launchpad news
[21:37] <akgraner> this comes from the Launchpad Blog
[21:37] <internalkernel> I'm sure I'll need some more clarification as we go... but I'll ask when I get buggered
[21:37] <akgraner> cool :-)
[21:38] <akgraner> so launchpad is used for more than ubuntu
[21:38] <akgraner> so we only summarize and link to the ones about Ubuntu
[21:38] <akgraner> unless it is something LP specific that b/c if the nature will effect ubuntu users
[21:39] <ZachK_> internalkernel: when akgraner is done with her super awesome presentation pm me so i can talk with you
[21:39] <akgraner> again - the delete key is a great think - I would rather have people put too much information that too little
[21:39] <akgraner> s/that/than
[21:39] <internalkernel> ZachK_: sounds good...
[21:39] <akgraner> the next section is for Forums News
[21:40] <ZachK_> YEAH!
[21:40] <akgraner> this section is not included in all issues
[21:40] <ZachK_> sorry...too much sugar today
[21:40] <akgraner> we have one person who is willing to mentor people on what goes in that section - but often there is nothing in there
[21:40] <akgraner> b/c if you are going to add a tutorial/howto
[21:41] <akgraner> each step *must* be tested
[21:42] <akgraner> I was going to talk to Mike Basinger and Matthew Helmke and see if they have some ideas to beef this section up
[21:42] <akgraner> but for now will go with what we have been doing :-)
[21:42] <ZachK_> internalkernel: for example i wrote a tuturial a LONG time back on dualbooting multiple OS's....I had to test each one
[21:42] <ZachK_> that ended up to be close to six OS's i think
[21:43] <akgraner> so if we are going to give a how to from a source that is unknown it gets tricky
[21:43] <ZachK_> internalkernel: what akgraner is saying is TEST and VERIFY your tutorial AND the source of the information
[21:43] <akgraner> but it's still doable so as soon as I have some more information and ideas for this section - I'll get that information added in the comments on both the wiki and google doc
[21:44] <ZachK_> correct akgraner?
[21:44] <akgraner> nods
[21:44] <akgraner> any questions about the Forums News Section?
[21:45] <akgraner> The next section is the planet
[21:46] <akgraner> this section is for those post that are all about Ubuntu and don't fit into any other section
[21:46] <akgraner> well sometimes I do put interesting stuff that is not Ubuntu Specific but related
[21:47] <akgraner> as you work on UWN you'll understand that better - it's often just a judgment call about where it goes
[21:48] <akgraner> any questions
[21:48] <ZachK_> none from me
[21:49] <ZachK_> i'll be back in 20 minutes
[21:49] <akgraner> so "In The Press", In the Blogoshere, and In Other News get tricky sometimes
[21:49] <akgraner> basically  - In the press is the commercial/professional sites that report on Ubuntu things
[21:50] <akgraner> things like Linuxplanet
[21:51] <akgraner> or phoronix
[21:51] <akgraner> or itmanagement to name a few
[21:51] <akgraner> you can look back through UWN issues say 180 to 194 to get a really good picture of those sites
[21:52] <akgraner> In the blogosphere also includes but not limited to - Personal blog posts about Ubuntu that may or may not be on the planet
[21:52] <internalkernel> right...
[21:52] <akgraner> workswithu
[21:52] <akgraner> or omgubuntu
[21:53] <akgraner> would go into ITB as well
[21:53] <internalkernel> that's starting to make sense actually
[21:53] <akgraner> great!
[21:53] <akgraner> however - I am very careful to watch how many links from any one site to use
[21:54] <akgraner> if you can find the same information on an Ubuntu Mailing list - I will default to the mailing list
[21:54] <akgraner> or if a wiki page with the same info is there I will use that as well
[21:54] <internalkernel> right I was trying to dig around some of the news, to find the more reliable source...
[21:54] <akgraner> nods
[21:55] <akgraner> I have spent a lot of time tracking down reliable sources based on a post that wasn't as reliable as it could have been
[21:55] <nhandler> akgraner: You should take this conversation and update the UWN wiki pages ;)
[21:55] <akgraner> nhandler, yep
[21:55] <akgraner> I am working on that :-)
[21:56] <nhandler> :)
[21:56] <akgraner> all the news wiki's have to be reworked  - ie Fridge and UWN  etc
[21:57] <akgraner> it's on the list but need to send so much information out and update the Blueprint from UDS etc..  - then ask for more volunteers :-)
[21:57] <akgraner> so that leaves In Other News
[21:57] <akgraner> this is for the Commercial Side of Ubuntu basically
[21:58] <akgraner> so Landscape articles would go here
[21:58] <akgraner> or the pay for training
[21:58] <akgraner> or ZaReason
[21:58] <akgraner> or System76
[21:58] <akgraner> or stuff that is more Canonical than Ubuntu
[21:58] <akgraner> make sense?
[21:58] <internalkernel> got it... all these fine distinctions...
[21:58] <akgraner> yep
[21:59] <akgraner> and sometimes it's blurry and that's when I usually ping someone who hasn't seen the article and is not working on UWN and ask them what they think
[22:00] <akgraner> as sometimes  - we who work on UWN are too close to the product or our own viewpoint to see the line clearly
[22:00] <akgraner> but it's not an exact science, and it is always a work in progress striving to improve the readers experience
[22:01] <akgraner> so any questions on ITP, ITB, or ITB
[22:01] <akgraner> I will use the acronyms a lot - so I don't have to type out headers all the time
[22:02] <akgraner> one sec - my hand is cramping :-/
[22:03] <akgraner> Because we now have  - Ubuntu UK Podcast, OMG!Ubuntu Podcast, Full Circle Podcast, Jono's weekly videocast
[22:03] <akgraner> I have added a featured Podcast section
[22:04] <akgraner> I'll add a template about each of these so you know what information to fill in
[22:04] <akgraner> and what to leave out
[22:04] <internalkernel> I don't have any questions, this is all helping to clear up the questions I had - and as I work, I'll just ping and ask...
[22:04] <akgraner> it's basically the summary that is on their pages and the links to the various formats that can be downloaded
[22:05] <akgraner> I would strongly suggest looking over past issues :-)
[22:06] <akgraner> once a month the next section is Monthly team Reports
[22:07] <akgraner> nhandler, as a script he runs and pulls this information and drops it in
[22:07] <akgraner> nhandler, thank you so much for taking ownership of that btw
[22:08] <internalkernel> that's awesome... I love stuff like that
[22:08] <nhandler> akgraner: No problem. I need to send out an email, as I think those are due to go out next Sunday.
[22:08] <akgraner> nhandler, yeppers
[22:08] <nhandler> FYI, that script is also available in a bzr branch on LP if I am ever away
[22:08] <akgraner> nhandler, great!  I'll add that to the howto list
[22:08] <nhandler> akgraner: I think it is in the comment on the template
[22:08] <akgraner> nods
[22:08] <akgraner> it is
[22:08] <nhandler> :)
[22:09] <akgraner> but many people don't read the comments - or I delete the sections I know won't be used in the upcoming issue
[22:10] <akgraner> so upcoming meetings and events
[22:10] <akgraner> these will come from 2 places now
[22:10] <akgraner> Monday through Sunday of the upcoming week
[22:10] <akgraner> this is a manual process
[22:11] <akgraner> you just add the Start, End, IRC location, and link to the Agenda for each meeting listed
[22:11] <akgraner> you will also need to check the classroom/learning team calendar as well
[22:11] <akgraner> there is a link on the Fridge to that as well
[22:12] <akgraner> so Fridge and Classroom Calendar - all events for the Monday-Sunday of the upcoming week
[22:12] <akgraner> simple but time consuming
[22:12] <internalkernel> totally
[22:13] <akgraner> next is  - Updates and Security for 6.06, 8.04, 9.04, 9.10, and 10.04
[22:13] <akgraner> we won't add the development release until it hits beta
[22:13] <akgraner> we have a script that pulls this information as well
[22:14]  * nhandler notes the script should probably go in bzr ;)
[22:14] <akgraner> however, I am working with Leann on the Kernel team to update it so all we have to do is type -s, date, codename
[22:14] <akgraner> nhandler, nods, once its finished and refined :-)
[22:14] <nhandler> :)
[22:15] <akgraner> I would also like to have a nice GUI where a person can fill out a form an it gives you the same information
[22:15] <akgraner> for those of us like me who don't always use the command line - but that is a low priority as well
[22:15] <akgraner> right now Lizar and cjohnston pull these
[22:16] <akgraner> and I look over them to see if there is a difference and then figure out who's is right - it's not a perfect system, and it's really redundant - but these updates and Security items are very important to people
[22:17] <akgraner> so it has to be check a couple different ways until I am confident that the new script gives everyone the same information
[22:17] <akgraner> again - work in progress
[22:17] <akgraner> and last but not least - Credits
[22:18] <akgraner> please make sure if you help write summaries, add links, meetings, team reports, proof reading etc that you add your name to the list
[22:19] <scott_ev> akgraner: here.  just finally woke up for several reasons
[22:19] <akgraner> the newsletter is sent to about 10, 000 places - through email, and syndication
[22:19] <akgraner> scott_ev, cool - I was just going over a howto
[22:20] <akgraner> can someone grap the timestamp for when we began and give it to scott_ev please
[22:20] <akgraner> :-)
[22:20] <akgraner> crap I really should have used mootbot - oh well next time :-/
[22:21] <akgraner> but I'll update the wiki's and the howto guide as well
[22:21] <internalkernel> scott_ev: (16:17:47)
[22:22] <scott_ev> I'm still waking up
[22:22] <internalkernel> no worries... that's what logs are for...
[22:22] <akgraner> and b/c people, and other press organizations relay on us publishing every Sunday - we need it to be professional and timely
[22:22] <akgraner> rely
[22:22] <akgraner> even
[22:22] <akgraner> wow
[22:22] <akgraner> spelling fail
[22:22] <akgraner> so everyone
[22:23] <akgraner> so everyone's contribution is important
[22:23] <akgraner> *very* important I should say
[22:23]  * internalkernel pats himself on the back...
[22:24] <akgraner> I am in the process of emailing the supported derivatives  - such as Kubuntu Edbuntu etc  - to make sure we are including what we need to from those as well
[22:25] <akgraner> so during the Maverick cycle we will re'org all this just a little to become more effective and proficient so we work smarter not harder, and give the best information possible
[22:25] <akgraner> any questions?
[22:26] <internalkernel> sounds good... you run a tight ship.. sometimes I forget you're all military...
[22:26] <akgraner> internalkernel, scott_ev or ZachK_ if you all want to write up some summaries for the links that don't have any - feel free to - and I'll take a look at them in a few hours
[22:26] <akgraner> internalkernel, I rey
[22:26] <akgraner> try even
[22:26] <internalkernel> lol...
[22:26] <akgraner> but always with a smile :-D
[22:26] <internalkernel> well bootcamp is something that sticks with you...
[22:27] <akgraner> here is my working Calendar I use - http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=l08hl8ihoc68adml8jq8q05fsc%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=America/New_York&pvttk=1b354623d327b9169ff4f66caa5dc31f
[22:27] <akgraner> to keep up with what is going on when
[22:27] <akgraner> I am going to change it up a little next week so different things are in different colors
[22:28] <akgraner> not everything on that Calendar effects the News Team  - but it's Items I have to keep in mind as I am planning things
[22:28] <internalkernel> wow, it took you 5 days to recover from UDS... lmao...
[22:28] <internalkernel> I love that it's in your calendar
[22:29] <akgraner> oh yeah - I was really sick
[22:29] <scott_ev> akgraner: I need a link to the google doc again - I thought I bookmarked it, but noooooo
[22:29] <akgraner> but if I didn't put it in there I would be trying 6 months from now to figure out why I was not productive that week
[22:29] <scott_ev> ooops,,,,,I see it above
[22:29] <akgraner> no worries :-)
[22:29] <akgraner> it should be in the pm from me as well
[22:30] <scott_ev> My pain meds kept me awake almost all night.  it happen ssometimes
[22:30] <akgraner> I know the feeling
[22:31] <akgraner> is there anything else before I go away for a little while?
[22:31] <ZachK_> who's in the military?
[22:32] <akgraner> There is still some more things I need to add to the Calendar but I think that gives you all a good overview of what's going on around the whole community
[22:32] <akgraner> and things to keep in mind etc
[22:32] <akgraner> ZachK_, I used to be - that's what internalkernel was referencing
[22:33] <ZachK_> akgraner: what branch?
[22:34] <akgraner> Army
[22:34] <ZachK_> oh sweet
[22:34]  * ZachK_ is trying to get in
[22:34] <ZachK_> 68W is my preferred MOS
[22:35] <internalkernel> 98B was mine... but that doesn't exist anymore
[22:35] <ZachK_> ah
[22:35]  * ZachK_ has got to go....again......got to get my little bro up
[22:36] <internalkernel> Im good akgraner, don't know if I'll have much time to do anything over the next few but I'll try...
[22:36] <internalkernel> on show site until June 13th... then HOME!
[22:36] <ZachK_> internalkernel: i'll be back in a bit and then i'll run through any questions you had with me ok?
[22:37] <internalkernel> I'm far from being able to formulate any questions, but I appreciate the offer... I will definitely look you up when my to-do list gets to that point
[22:37] <ZachK_> k
[22:37] <akgraner> also if you all are going to write some summaries
[22:38] <akgraner> add something like (" internalkernel is working on this article") or talk to each other in here about it
[22:38] <akgraner> I am going to step away for a few
[22:57] <scott_ev> akgraner: that link was to a calendar.  May I have the link to the google doc.  I promise to bookmark it


[10:11] <cousteau> so far I have two issues with this laptop with xubuntu
[10:12] <cousteau> 1. Back in the day (with another laptop) I could make long drag+drops by rapidly releasing when I reach the end of the touchpad and moving to another corner, but not in this one
[10:13] <cousteau> (so that I could do the whole drag in pieces)
[10:14] <cousteau> 2. The volume keys (Fn+F9..F11) don't seem to have a "release" function; once they're pressed they're held forever.
[10:24] <cousteau> ...3. How do I zoom out the desktop?  I somehow zoomed in the whole screen.
[10:25] <cousteau> and I ...oooh, alt+wheel!
[10:39] <cousteau> apparently   synclient LockedDrags=1 LockedDragTimeout=200   does the trick (default is 0, 5000).  But couldn't the "Mouse and touchpad" app deal with that?
[13:04] <xubuntu57i> Spanish!!
[13:28] <xubuntu37d> что делать, если на компьютере не заходит в мой аккаунт, где все мои данные, но в другой заходит
[13:33] <Spass> !ru | xubuntu37d
[22:59] <xubuntu859> Hello! I need help getting a Canon Printer to work. I fear I do not have a proper driver.


[14:46] <powersj> smoser, jenkins URL is now externally available at: https://jenkins.ubuntu.com/server/
[14:46] <powersj> I am working this morning to update the URLs generated by the CI bot and to get venonat online for the vmtests.
[14:50] <smoser> powersj, awesome!
[14:50] <smoser> venonat is offline
[14:50] <smoser> (just i saw that there, fyi)
[14:51] <smoser> powersj, is it possible to hide things from non-logged in users ?
[14:51] <smoser> i could see doing something stupid in a slave config
[14:51] <powersj> yeah sounds like IS doesn't have access to it, so I have to manually update it's URL for Jenkins to the new one.
[14:51] <smoser> such as exposing a credential or something in its log
[14:51] <powersj> smoser, agreed, let me look into that
[14:52] <powersj> in fact I am going to blow away the slave-config logs we have
[15:16] <rharper> powersj: nice!
[18:26] <smoser> harlowja, aorund ?
[18:26] <harlowja> sup
[18:27] <smoser> we used bzr revno before
[18:27] <smoser> for a ever-increasing number
[18:27] <smoser> i think pbr has a way of doing a similar thing
[18:27] <smoser> that is failrly standard.
[18:27] <smoser> and i think you have at some point given sane way of getting that.
[18:29] <rharper> smoser: don't you love the random last 7 chars of git hash ?
[18:29] <smoser> well they dont always go up
[18:29] <smoser> thats what i dont like.
[18:29] <rharper> I know
[18:29] <rharper> =)
[18:30] <rharper> well, git describe --tags --long
[18:30] <smoser> maybe we can just go with that until we're unlucky
[18:30] <smoser> :)
[18:30] <rharper> does prepend a number of commits since tag
[18:30] <smoser> yea, ok.
[18:30] <rharper> so you get 0.7.6, then 0.7.6-N-hash, and then 0.7.5-N+M-hash
[18:30] <rharper> that sorta helps I think
[18:31] <rharper> I need to play with that to confirm
[18:32] <smoser> what is -N+M ?
[18:32] <smoser> whats the M
[18:32] <rharper> M may be more than one commit since the previous number
[18:32] <rharper> similar to revno I guess then
[18:33] <rharper> it's offset in numbver of commits since tag
[18:33] <rharper> http://paste.ubuntu.com/21428257/
[18:34] <rharper> master reports as 1021 commits since  0.7.6 was tagged
[18:34] <rharper> =)
[18:34] <smoser> but why did you say '-M'
[18:34] <smoser> er.. +M
[18:34] <rharper> I just meant that it may be more than 1 since the last time you ran describe
[18:34] <smoser> ah.
[18:34] <rharper> I'm sure I confused you
[18:34] <smoser> ok.
[18:34] <smoser> its easy to do
[18:34] <smoser> :)
[18:35] <rharper> no, head to keyboard transfer isn't always perfect
[18:35] <rharper> usually PBCAC for me
[18:39] <smoser> heres hwat sucks.
[18:39] <smoser> ew can't use 0.7.6-XXX
[18:40] <smoser> as we've already released 0.7.7~bzrX
[18:40] <smoser> which is > 0.7.6-
[18:49] <smoser> rharper, so. ..
[18:50] <smoser> $ git describe --tags
[18:50] <smoser> 0.7.6-1022-g36e92d3
[18:50] <smoser> what is g36e92d3 ?
[18:51] <smoser> ah. the g . ii forgot about that.
[19:17] <rharper> git describe --tags --long
[19:17] <rharper> the g is hardcoded
[19:17] <rharper> for whatever reason
[19:17] <rharper> g + 7 chars of the hash
[19:18] <rharper> smoser: need to tag 0.7.7
[19:20] <smoser> yeah.
[19:21] <rharper> I rant into trouble with git since changlog has 0.7.7 but it's not bumped in the repo
[19:21] <rharper> but since larsks branch drops the changelog building, it was no longer an issue;  that said, we should still tag it for a new deb build
[19:42] <harlowja> so ya, pbr us one solution here
[19:42] <harlowja> there is another one that can also help figure out the version to
[19:44] <harlowja> https://pypi.python.org/pypi/setuptools_scm is one
[19:44] <harlowja> there are a few more
[19:45] <harlowja> i'm ok with any of them really
[19:45] <harlowja> https://pypi.python.org/pypi/setuptools_scm#default-versioning-scheme
[19:46] <harlowja> is that fine with folks?
[19:46] <harlowja> that one seems to be the 'the blessed package to manage your versions by scm tags'
[19:46] <harlowja> https://github.com/pypa/setuptools_scm/
[19:46] <harlowja> i guess from the pip folks?
[20:02] <smoser> harlowja, thanks.
[20:02] <smoser> rharper, or larsks is it ok for me to annotate tags and push them overwrite ?
[20:03] <larsks> smoser: it is okay to overwrite tags, sure.
[20:03] <smoser> rharper, i think the easiest answer to ~ or + is to just use + and to release an 0.7.7
[20:03] <rharper> y
[20:03] <smoser> and then use + always fom here out.
[20:04] <larsks> people who have checked out the repository will probably need to do an explicit get pull --tags to get the updated tags.
[20:04] <rharper> y
[20:04] <smoser> 0.7.7+1-ghash
[20:04] <smoser> larsks, yeah.
[20:04] <smoser> how can i get the commit hash that a signed/annotated tag points to ?
[20:06] <harlowja> $ git checkout <tag> && git log -n 1
[20:06] <harlowja> ?
[20:06] <harlowja> prob a better way, ha
[20:06] <smoser> $ git show 0.7.6 | awk '$1 == "commit" { print $2 ; exit(0); }'
[20:06] <smoser> yeah
[20:06] <smoser> ok
[20:06] <harlowja> so https://pypi.python.org/pypi/setuptools_scm#default-versioning-scheme what we gona go with?
[20:07] <harlowja> i'd prefer that one over pbr (although its similar)
[20:09] <harlowja> hmmmm, ok, let me know when thats done
[20:09] <harlowja> i'll have to redo my fork and reviews i think
[20:13] <harlowja> then i can get my jenkins stuff thats internally building cloud-init rpm back into shape
[20:13] <harlowja> (using new jenkins way)
[20:14] <harlowja> *git way
[20:14] <smoser> harlowja, it shoudlnt hur your checkout
[20:14] <smoser> it just changes the tags
[20:14] <harlowja> kk
[20:22] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/21439291/
[20:22] <smoser> that is 'sign-tag' and me running it.
[20:23] <smoser> i'm going to push now to master
[20:25] <harlowja> proof its u?
[20:25] <harlowja> how do i really know
[20:25] <harlowja> u could be the fake-scott
[20:34] <smoser> harlowja, its the same key that signs important things.
[20:34] <smoser> like cirros builds
[20:35] <harlowja> it better be
[20:35] <harlowja> or i'm calling the police
[20:35] <harlowja> lol
[20:56] <smoser> larsks, hey still arond ?
[20:56] <larsks> yessir.
[20:56] <larsks> smoser: ^^^
[20:56] <smoser> i have some changes here to get bddeb to build
[20:56] <smoser> on top of your branch.
[20:57] <smoser> in bzr world, i'd just commit on yours, push and then request merge. of those
[20:57] <smoser> how would i do this in a sane way.
[20:57] <smoser> i dont care really about the annotation just want to get somethign to you i guess.
[20:57] <larsks> I think I would approximately the same thing: I would start a new branch based on mine, push it, and request merge.
[20:58] <larsks> And then hope that launchpad isn't crazy.
[20:58] <larsks> And then merge your changes after mine merge...
[20:59] <smoser> ok.
[21:00] <larsks> (honestly, I just wish everyone in the world used gerrit for handling code submissions, because it has great handling of changeset dependencies)
[21:00]  * larsks also wants a pony.
[21:01] <smoser> the one thing that bzr did better.
[21:02] <smoser> it basically does --first-parent by default
[21:02] <smoser> so peopple chan have all these little silly commits, you can merge them into yours, then i can merge them into master
[21:02] <smoser> and if you git log on master, then you only see the one commit
[21:02] <smoser> as if you had squashed them all before i merged or pulled
[21:03] <smoser> thats why you see allthat nonsense little commits in git log now
[21:03] <larsks> True.  Although you can also adopt a policy of "one commit per change please", and reject patches that have all those little commits.
[21:09] <smoser> right, but thats just squashing
[21:09] <smoser> and yes, i would adopt such a thing. :)
[21:09] <smoser> i probaly use revision control more than i should
[21:09] <smoser> but i really like reading history
[21:09] <smoser> and put a lot of stuff in it
[21:09] <smoser> and often would bzr log --include-merged
[21:10] <smoser> whenever i would say WTH WAS I THINKING!
[21:10] <smoser> anywahy
[21:10] <smoser> https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/301547
[21:10] <smoser>  ./packages/bddeb  -S -v
[21:10] <smoser> that works in my branch
[21:11] <smoser> larsks, ^ thanks.
[21:11] <smoser> thats the last reference it hink to 'bzr' in the repo
[21:12] <smoser> that uses bzr at least
[21:14] <smoser> audios all
[21:19] <rharper> smoser: later
[21:35] <harlowja> what's bzr
[21:35] <harlowja> lol
[21:35]  * harlowja purges all knowledge of bzr
[21:35] <harlowja> sorry canonical
[21:35] <harlowja> lol


[08:17] <CIA-2> anna: cjwatson * r414 ubuntu/debian/ (28 files in 2 dirs): merge from Debian 1.33
[08:23] <CIA-2> anna: cjwatson * r415 ubuntu/debian/po/ (am.po sk.po): branding fixes for Amharic and Slovak
[08:25] <CIA-2> anna: cjwatson * r416 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.33ubuntu1
[15:32] <CIA-2> usb-creator: evand * r57 usb-creator/debian/changelog: Credit Daniel Nylander for the Swedish translation.
[15:41] <CIA-2> usb-creator: evand * r58 usb-creator/debian/changelog: Move self.pipe declaration to the correct location (LP: #291645).
[16:41] <omegamormegil> I have a USB creator question.  I purchased two 8GB sdhc cards, and gave one to a friend.  We are both trying to use USB-creator in intrepid to make it bootable (with Xubuntu, for example).  We are using identical USB card readers, so it functions just like a USB thumb drive.  We can't get mine to boot properly, but his works fine.  When I try to boot, I just get a black screen that says "GRUB" in the top left corner.  I tried installing Ubun
[16:41] <omegamormegil> tu directly to the USB drive, and I could get it to boot.  Any ideas?
[16:45] <evand> omegamormegil: Assuming you do not care about what's currently on the card and assuming /dev/sdb is your card: sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1; sudo blockdev --rereadpt /dev/sdb; usb-creator
[16:46] <evand> or just use usb-creator from bzr trunk
[16:47] <evand> please make sure you know what those commands do, as dd can be quite destructive if you point it at the wrong device
[16:48] <omegamormegil> yeah, I'm fairly familiar.  I read your Open Week talk, and suspected it might have something to do with the MBR, since you noted people had some problems with that.  Am I right?
[16:48] <evand> correct
[16:48] <omegamormegil> I'll try that now, and let you know.
[16:48] <evand> thanks
[16:53] <omegamormegil> Another question, while I'm here.  Why does this use a vfat filesystem?  Wouldn't ext3 work?
[16:53] <omegamormegil> Just curious.
[16:54] <evand> omegamormegil: because it's intended to be as non intrusive as possible.  If you already have a vfat partition (as most USB disks do) with files on it, it wont delete them or format the device, it will install along side them
[16:56] <evand> I have to run, but I'll be back later in the day
[16:56] <evand> cheers
[16:56] <omegamormegil> Well, thats pretty cool.  I think USB-creatoris an awesome tool, by the way.  Thanks for the help.
[17:19] <omegamormegil> Thanks evand, that worked like a charm!
[17:35] <evand> glad to hear it, omegamormegil
[17:35] <evand> and thanks for the kind words
[17:37] <omegamormegil> Since the program is so non-intrusive, have you considered noting that fact in the USB-Creator GUI?  I never doubted that this tool would wipe whatever USB disk I opted to use, and I was incorrect.
[17:38] <evand> mm, I'm concerned about making any promises like that this early in its development, plus the UI is already fairly wordy.
[17:38] <evand> I'm more inclined to put that in the documentation
[17:39] <evand> man page, help.ubuntu.com, etc
[17:45] <omegamormegil> Makes sense.
[17:47] <omegamormegil> Is it possible to have multiple bootable live images on a disk large enough to hold them all?  I have an 8GB disk, and I'd really like it if this one disk could replace a bunch of my installation CD's.  I haven't seen any documentation anywhere on how this can be done, and I've also seen a few unanswered forum posts asking this same question.  Do you know of any documentation?
[17:53] <omegamormegil> Could something like this be achieved by installing GRUB into the MBR and chainloading partitions on the USB drive?
[17:53] <superm1> omegamormegil, i do that with an 8 gig flash drive of mine.  i installed grub2 (although grub would probably work too).  You won't be able to use usb-creator in it's current form to populate the images however
[17:55] <omegamormegil> Right, I understand USB-creator isn't designed to do this.  I've created USB images before with instructions from the pendrivelinux site.
[17:56] <omegamormegil> (Although, it would be a great feature :)
[17:56] <omegamormegil> Good to know that would work.  Thanks superm1.
[20:05] <CIA-2> usb-creator: evand * r59 usb-creator/ (5 files in 5 dirs):
[20:05] <CIA-2> usb-creator: * Add support for providing command line ISO images.
[20:05] <CIA-2> usb-creator: * Add support for defaulting the persistence setting in the UI via
[20:05] <CIA-2> usb-creator:  command line.
[20:05] <CIA-2> usb-creator: * Default the GUI to start up centered on the screen.
[20:06] <evand> ^ superm1 thanks


[19:42] <agussman> What package do I need to install for ec2-bundle-vol?
[19:44] <rick_h_> I have ec2-ami-tools and ec2-api-tools and have that available
[19:44] <rick_h_> so whichever one you don't have probably need to add
[19:45] <erichammond> agussman: ec2-bundle-vol is in ec2-ami-tools, but it should already be installed on pretty much any AMI you are running.
[19:48] <agussman> erichammond:  Hmm... Well, I'm working with a non-AMI ubuntu image that I wanted to save as an AMI.  I installed ec2-api-tools so I guess it's the ami-tools that I'm missing, thanks!
[19:49] <agussman> thanks rick_h_ as well
[19:55] <erichammond> Question: Where/who is the right person to ask for the ec2-ami-tools package to be upgraded in Intrepid / Jaunty?
[19:55] <erichammond>   I have 1.3-31780 installed on the AMIs I publish at http://alestic.com but an apt-get upgrade *downgrades* this package to 1.3-31057 on Jaunty and 1.3-26357 on Intrepid.
[19:55] <erichammond> The latest version is required to get current EC2 functionality.


[13:57] <elijah> Hey guys - I think I have utouch installed, how can I confirm it is working?
[13:59] <dandrader> elijah, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Multitouch/Testing
[14:00] <dandrader> more specifically https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Multitouch/Testing/UsingMtview
[14:01] <dandrader> and then https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Multitouch/Testing/UsingGeisview
[14:02] <elijah> dandrader: thanks a bunch
[14:16] <dandrader> status report: I'm updating the merge proposal with the fix for bug 978378 according to comments received
[14:17] <dandrader> cnd, bregma, Satoris, tvoss, stand up meeting
[14:17] <cnd> morning all
[14:17] <cnd> thanks dandrader :)
[14:17] <Satoris> Preparation for UDS demo.
[14:17] <dandrader> morning
[14:17] <cnd> I'm going to merge in the utouch-qml fixes and hopefully release them upstream and get them uploaded as either a fix in the release or an SRU
[14:17] <cnd> then back to architecture documentation
[14:18] <bregma> I did some reviews, catching up on correspondence, trying to get ALL the geis integration tests to pass ALL the time
[14:33] <tvoss> porting the chromium patch, frame backend work
[14:41] <Satoris> cnd: probably
[14:41] <Satoris> Skype today.
[14:41] <cnd> ok
[15:49] <cnd> bregma, what's the debhelper debug env var?
[15:49] <cnd> to spit out more verbosity while dh builds a package?
[15:49] <bregma> DH_VERBOSE ?
[15:50] <bregma> set it to 1
[15:50] <cnd> ok
[15:51] <bregma> I also often end up running dh manually from the command line with --verbose to see what it's doing (it gives different output)
[15:51] <cnd> hmm
[15:51] <cnd> I'm building a new utouch-qml package
[15:51] <bregma> but DH_VERBOSE=1 in the debian/rules file is easier to start with
[15:51] <cnd> and it's not stripping the library in dh_strip
[15:52] <bregma> odd
[15:56] <cnd> argh
[15:56] <cnd> I have a DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="noopt nostrip noudeb nocheck parallel=16" in my env :)
[15:56] <cnd> for xorg-server builds
[15:57] <bregma> that'll do it
[16:09] <bregma> I wish bzr had a useful working rebase, I have a case where it would just be the right tool for the job
[16:55] <cnd> bregma, I assume you mean an interactive rebase?
[16:55] <cnd> there is bzr rebase
[16:59] <bregma> I have that installed but last I looked at it it wasn't a true rebase, might be worth playing with though
[17:11] <bregma> yep, does exactly what I need, thanks
[18:01] <bregma> cnd, testsuite/recordings/touchscreen_a/pinch_2.record seems to be missing fro geis (from your recent gtest_attrs.cpp change)
[18:01] <cnd> hmm...
[18:01] <cnd> I probably forgot to bzr add it
[18:02] <cnd> yep
[18:02] <cnd> I'll commit it
[18:03] <cnd> bregma, committed
[18:06] <cnd> dandrader, it looks like you're basically rebasing all your work when you update a merge proposal
[18:07] <cnd> that basically breaks how lp reviews are supposed to work :)
[18:07] <cnd> and makes it not any better than making a new MP
[18:07] <cnd> instead, you can make changes as new commits
[18:07] <cnd> then it's easier for us to figure out how things really changed
[18:09] <dandrader> cnd, and the idea is to organize the commits only after the whole thing gets accepted or to merge the resulting mess as it is?
[18:09] <cnd> merge the mess
[18:10] <cnd> that's the bzr+lp way of doing things
[18:10] <cnd> if you want to keep distinct changes separate
[18:10] <cnd> then you can look into bzr pipeline
[18:10] <cnd> for example, each of your commits in this proposal could be its own pipe in a pipeline
[18:11] <cnd> pipeline is like a mesh of the git and bzr methods
[18:14] <dandrader> so the idea is that the history inside a branch that got merged is pretty much useless and in bzr people work with (bisect, revert, blame) only the merge commits?
[18:15] <bregma> that's the current argument
[18:15] <bregma> or maybe the current religious orthodoxy among the converted
[18:16] <cnd> dandrader, the history inside the branch serves two purposes:
[18:16] <cnd> 1. during review, it's easy to see how the branch changed due to review feedback, especially since lp interleaves changes with the review comments
[18:17] <cnd> 2. after merging, someone can go back and see why changes were made
[18:17] <cnd> the usefulness of 2 is dubious, imo
[18:17] <cnd> but the usefulness of 1 is very high :)
[18:17] <bregma> agreed
[18:17] <cnd> when reviewing your branch, I was having to go back and forth between my previous review and your current revisions to see what has been changed
[18:17] <cnd> and I didn't have your old revisions any more to compare against
[18:18] <dandrader> right
[18:19] <cnd> bzr pipeline is the best of both worlds
[18:19] <cnd> because each individual change has its own branch and review history
[18:19] <dandrader> I would say the best way would be to just comment on top for the sake of an easier review ("avoiding reviewer fatigue" as bzr pipeline puts it) and then sanitizing the commits before finally merging
[18:20] <dandrader> or the bzr pipeline way, which I don't know yet
[18:20] <cnd> the problem with sanitizing commits before merging is that I don't want to do extra work :)
[18:21] <dandrader> I the submitter is not the one doing the merge than this step is not feasible indeed
[18:21] <bregma> I do not like bzr pipeline
[18:21] <cnd> bzr pipeline has some usability issues, agreed
[18:21] <cnd> there are two issues with bzr pipeline for me:
[18:22] <cnd> 1. I want to be able to rebase later pipes onto earlier pipes instead of constantly merging (it kinda works under specific circumstances, but it's not worth the risk of double commits or losing work)
[18:22] <cnd> 2. it shouldn't allow you to hop between pipes without pumping changes first
[18:23] <cnd> I think 2 is why its easy to lose work with pipeline
[18:24] <bregma> yes, it's (1) that was really the biggest issue for me (aside from losing work somehow)
[18:24] <bregma> a rebasing pump would make pipelines really nice
[18:26] <cnd> I don't think it would be *that* hard
[18:26] <cnd> but I don't have 3 weeks of time to spend on it :)
[18:30] <dandrader> is there a point in merging a branch with a single commit instead of pushing the commit directly?
[18:56] <cnd> dandrader, I don't think there's much of a difference
[18:56] <cnd> I merge them just to be consistent
[19:42] <cm-t> hi, i have a question, because I am not sure if I should report as a bug
[19:43] <cm-t> I am on a tablet PC (HP touchsmart tm2) and on the beta2 i had the multitouch working on touchpad and touchscreen
[19:43] <cm-t> and since an update (I can check logs) one feature does not work
[19:44] <cm-t> this feature was not a multitouh thing :  i could scroll with one finger (it looks to detect I did it on the touch screen only)
[19:45] <cm-t> for example in empathy i need 2 finger to scroll on touchpad, i can use 2 finger on touchscreen  but it is so simple to scroll with one finger
[19:45] <cm-t> does this feature deseabled on purpose ?
[19:49] <cm-t> (i mean the 1 finger on touchscreen, not touchpad)
[20:02] <cnd> cm-t, that's likely being implemented in gtk
[20:02] <cnd> I would ask in #ubuntu-desktop since it's not using the utouch stack
[20:03] <cm-t> I see
[20:03] <cm-t> thanks you cnd
[20:03] <cnd> np