[22:03] <Ardonel> Yo!
[22:06] <tiwake> Ardonel finally talks
[22:07] <Ardonel> How is the weather up there tiwake ?
[22:07] <tiwake> cold
[22:07] <tiwake> the car I just got evidently did not have antifreeze in it, and froze solid
[22:08] <Ardonel> Uh-oh!
[22:08] <Ardonel> Not good at all.
[22:08] <tiwake> thawed it out and is leaking between the engine and transmission a lot, where I cant see
[22:13] <Ardonel> probably popped the rear freeze plugs
[22:13] <tiwake> freeze plugs?
[22:14] <tiwake> I know the engine has a bunch of plugs on the side generally, but is that what they are there for?
[22:14] <Ardonel> it is a plug in the motor block that allows freezing water a way to expand when it freezes without cracking the block...
[22:15] <tiwake> well I didnt notice any water in the oil
[22:15] <tiwake> but I didnt check the exhaust
[22:15] <Ardonel> they only allow access to the coolant system
[22:15] <tiwake> best case is that it just popped those plugs like you said
[22:16] <Ardonel> but if it is between the engine and transmission, you are looking at seperating them to replace them
[22:16] <tiwake> yeah
[22:17] <Ardonel> so it is most likely a complete motor removal...
[22:18] <Ardonel> What car/motor?
[22:18] <tiwake> ford taurus
[22:18] <tiwake> 2001
[22:19] <tiwake> the 150hp 3 liter engine
[22:19] <Ardonel> v6?
[22:19] <tiwake> yeah
[22:20] <tiwake> the vulcan engine
[22:21] <tiwake> (evidently the taurus was shipped with two different 3 liter engines)
[22:21] <tiwake> the vulcan 3 liter has 150hp, the duratec has 200hp... the 200hp one is less reliable


[03:11] <dfgas__> why is it when you install edubuntu that its not exactly like the cd?
[03:11] <dfgas__> live cd
[03:20] <dabaR> dfgas__: is the other computer that has edubuntu close by?
[03:21] <dfgas__> i have it on vnc
[03:21] <dfgas__> otherwise its in the other room
[03:21] <dabaR> OK, see whether the edubuntu-desktop package is installed.
[03:22] <dfgas__> yes it is, that was the first thing i checked
[03:22] <dabaR> No idea. Do you need help installing the programs, or are you curious as to why they are not just included?
[03:23] <dfgas__> just curious to why its not installed
[03:23] <dfgas__> its just ubuntu with a different theme, same programs installed
[03:23] <dabaR> OK. I do not know the answer. I expect you are likely to get an answer here than #ubuntu, but try both.
[03:24] <dfgas__> k thanks
[03:29] <dfgas__> why is it when you install edubuntu that its not exactly like the cd? it didn't install any of the educational programs that are on the live cd
[03:43] <bimberi> dfgas__: did you install from the livecd?
[03:43] <dfgas__> yes
[03:43] <dfgas__> 7.04
[03:44] <bimberi> hm, that's interesting .. i don't know why sorry.
[03:48] <dfgas__> oh its a bug
[03:48] <dfgas__> so 7.04 edubuntu is just a pretty ubuntu and nothing educational about it
[03:50] <bimberi> dfgas__: there is the server addon cd
[03:51] <bimberi> ... with educational apps.  I would have thought the livecd would install the same packages as you have in live mode.  I'll be checking that out myself later.
[04:02] <dfgas__> bimberi: there is a bug in the 7.04 installer
[04:03] <dfgas__> it removes all that stuff at the end
[04:03] <dfgas__> of the install
[04:03] <bimberi> nice.  not.
[04:04] <dfgas__> lol, i read up in the forums about it
[04:04] <dfgas__> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=416615&highlight=edubuntu
[06:13] <dfgas__> is there a fix for 7.04?
[06:13] <dfgas__> ?
[06:30] <bimberi> dfgas__: is there a bug report?
[06:31] <dfgas__> its been talked about in the forum, its been out  what a month now, or close to it. i haven't checked yet
[06:51] <dfgas__>  where do i find the bug report site?
[06:52] <bimberi> dfgas__: http://bugs.ubuntu.com
[07:03] <dfgas__> putting in a bug report, hopefully going from 6.06.1 to 7.04 will work
[07:03] <dfgas__> i have 2 possibly 3 computers her ei want to put it on
[07:04] <dfgas__> and ofcourse, lauchpad is having isues
[07:18] <bimberi> is there a bug report? ;P
[07:21] <Bhaskar1> Any interesting Educational Software for children ?
[07:32] <dfgas__> bimberi: i don't see one
[07:34] <bimberi> dfgas__: then report it.  I reckon it's a howler.
[10:03] <pygi> hi ogra and Amaranth
[10:04] <Amaranth> hey
[10:04] <ogra> hey
[10:05] <pygi> how is it going?
[10:05] <Amaranth> alright
[10:06] <ajmitch> hi pygi
[10:06] <pygi> o ajmitch :)
[10:06] <pygi> hi
[10:09] <pygi> ajmitch, how goes it? All fine? :)
[10:10] <ajmitch> yeah, alright :)
[10:12] <encompass> morning everyone... :|
[10:12] <pygi> ajmitch, :P
[10:12] <pygi> morning encompass
[10:13] <pygi> evil stuff :P
[10:15] <encompass> pygi: did you see the blog about ascii conversion?
[10:15] <pygi> nop
[10:15] <pygi> ajmitch, haha, at sevilla?
[10:15] <encompass> let me get it... quite a challenge
[10:15] <ajmitch> pygi: sure
[10:15] <pygi> ajmitch, nice :)
[10:15] <RichEd> hi guys ... hola from spain
[10:15] <encompass> http://blog.tonyyarusso.com/planetubuntu/silly-puzzles/
[10:16] <pygi> RichEd, ^_^
[10:16] <encompass> RichEd: Moi! from Finland!
[10:16] <RichEd> pygi, encompass ... :)
[10:25] <encompass> RichEd: I am rather new to Irc, how did you get that @ conference stuff in your incoming message
[10:27] <RichEd> encompass: that issued by the local server I am connecting through, which someone here has named with the conference bit
[10:27] <RichEd> it changes when I am connecting through ADSL at home
[10:27] <RichEd> check out pygi's one ... you'll see an ADSL in there, via his telco
[10:28] <encompass> I see
[10:38] <Bhaskar1> where can i get good documentation of LTSP 5
[02:17] <sbalneav> Wheeeeee!
[02:17] <sbalneav> They see me napping...
[02:17] <sbalneav> They hatin'
[02:17] <highvoltage> they sleepin'!
[02:17] <ogra__> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/better-thin-client-experience-with-tcos
[02:19] <Burgundavia> ogra__: hmm?
[02:20] <ogra__> Burgundavia, we had a spare session and want to look at the thing now
[02:20] <Burgundavia> ahh
[02:20] <ogra__> room F if you are intrested
[02:24] <pygi> sbalneav, :P
[02:25] <sbalneav> Hello pygi
[02:25] <pygi> hi
[02:34] <highvoltage> WHOHOO!!! http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/2007/05/reiser
[02:35] <dfgas__> why is it when you install edubuntu that its not exactly like the cd? it didn't install any of the educational programs that are on the live cd
[02:36] <dfgas__> stupid launch pad won't let me submit a bug report, it just gives me an error
[02:36] <sbalneav> dfgas__: You need to download the second cd.
[02:37] <Burgundavia> dfgas__: what is the specific error you get on LP?
[02:37] <dfgas__> this is the desktop cd
[02:37] <sbalneav> There's too much stuff to fit on one cd, so edubuntu was split across 2 cds
[02:38] <sbalneav> You'll want the classroom addon cd
[02:38] <dfgas__> isn't that just for the classrom cd
[02:38] <sbalneav> it's got all the educational apps on it.
[02:39] <sbalneav> When you stick it in, it automatically pops up the installer.  It's kind of cool.
[02:39] <sbalneav> That will give you all the fun bits you need :)
[02:39] <dfgas__> the desktop cd remove a bunch of stuff on the install
[02:39] <dfgas__> k
[02:41] <dfgas__> so how am i supposed to install it when it never asked for a second cd?
[02:42] <jsgotangco> sbalneav: the palm sync via ltsp, is it planned to sync in a user's instance of evo?
[02:43] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: yeah the story gets stranger
[02:45] <sbalneav> dfgas__: When you put in the second cd, the installer will pop up
[02:45] <sbalneav> jsgotangco: That's the hope.
[02:45] <jsgotangco> go for broke!
[02:46] <jsgotangco> sbalneav: the current todo conduit in gnome-pilot is broken though
[02:46] <sbalneav> Has a bug been filed?
[02:47] <jsgotangco> yes
[02:47] <sbalneav> k
[02:47] <jsgotangco> i must check with gutsy settings though
[02:47] <jsgotangco> the rest of the conduits work fine thoughb
[02:47] <jsgotangco> but once that todo sucker is done, the sync is almost perfect
[02:53] <highvoltage> hey cbx33
[02:53] <cbx33> hey highvoltage
[02:55] <cbx33> hey willvdl
[02:56] <willvdl> hey there
[02:59] <jsgotangco> hey you guys
[03:01] <cbx33> hey jsgotangco
[03:02] <jsgotangco> hey mr. vcsfrenzy
[03:04] <jsgotangco> err? i didn't know jordan is in spain
[03:05] <jsgotangco> errr? and JaneW too???
[03:05] <pygi> ajmitch, how is that network stuff going?
[03:06] <cbx33> hey jsgotangco
[03:06] <RichEd> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UES-Sevilla/QuestionsForSpanishDistros
[03:06] <cbx33> you likey vcsfrenzy ?
[03:06] <pygi> cbx33, uh, you're here
[03:06] <pygi> hey :P
[03:06] <cbx33> yup
[03:06] <pygi> you do know you took my idea, right? :-D
[03:06] <cbx33> no?
[03:06] <cbx33> did I?
[03:06] <pygi> well, now you do :P
[03:06] <jsgotangco> lol
[03:06] <jsgotangco> let the patent wars begin
[03:07] <pygi> jsgotangco, nah, I'll actually help him ^_^ Not that he needs help today anymore tho
[03:07] <cbx33> heh
[03:07] <jsgotangco> cbx33: yes i use it (on the machine downstairs)
[03:07] <ajmitch> pygi: alright
[03:07] <cbx33> awesome
[03:07] <pips1> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UES-Sevilla/Visits
[03:08] <cbx33> jsgotangco, it's gotten some new upgrades recently
[03:08] <pygi> ajmitch, great to hear it
[03:08] <cbx33> sound support
[03:08] <cbx33> and global config options
[03:08] <cbx33> hey ajmitch
[03:08] <pygi> cbx33, why heh? :P
[03:08] <jsgotangco> hey ajmitch
[03:08] <cbx33> pygi, why what?
[03:08] <jsgotangco> we're the "we suck because we
[03:08] <jsgotangco> we're the "we suck because we're not in spain" group
[03:08] <cbx33> yup
[03:08] <cbx33> brb
[03:08] <cbx33> cooking melonpan
[03:08] <cbx33> too bad no one else is here :p
[03:09] <jsgotangco> yeah its a good time to sulk
[03:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> can i join you?
[03:09] <jsgotangco> of course, we have lots of room to spare
[03:09] <cbx33> hehe
[03:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> thank you
[03:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> ajmitch, pervert :P
[03:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:10] <ajmitch> Kamping_Kaiser: you must have a sick mind
[03:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> ajmitch, of course
[03:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> anyone know about not-x86 only virtualisation?
[03:20] <cbx33> i suppose I should package vcsfrenzy
[03:22] <jsgotangco> good idea
[03:22] <jsgotangco> you already have it as an lp product anyways
[03:22] <jsgotangco> next is have it pushed on universe
[03:23] <cbx33> yeh
[03:23] <cbx33> i just can't be bother at the mo
[03:24] <jsgotangco> no need to rush too :)
[03:24] <cbx33> hehe
[03:24] <cbx33> jsgotangco, what version are you running?
[03:24] <jsgotangco> cbx33: i can't recall, its the laptop running feisty that has it downstairs
[03:25] <cbx33> cool
[03:25] <cbx33> think if i deb it more people will use it?
[03:25] <cbx33> Lp
[03:25] <cbx33> ;P
[03:25] <jsgotangco> next week i have lots of time in my hands to see it and test
[03:25] <jsgotangco> i'll have a whole month for myself and do what i want
[03:25] <highvoltage> ogra__: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuK12LTSPFeatures?highlight=%28k12ltsp%29
[03:26] <highvoltage> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuK12LTSPFeatures , even
[03:26] <cbx33> wow nice
[03:26] <cbx33> jsgotangco, got any feature requests?
[03:26] <cbx33> maybe I'll write them now?
[03:26] <cbx33> :p
[03:26] <jsgotangco> i can think of things by next week
[03:26] <cbx33> awesome
[03:27] <jsgotangco> right now im tied up between wanting to digg through your code and squash more bugs in sahana
[03:27] <cbx33> sahana?
[03:28] <jsgotangco> its a web app used for disaster management
[03:28] <cbx33> ahhh
[03:28] <jsgotangco> i know the upstream developers personally and 2 of us are designing the centralized grid service
[03:29] <jsgotangco> its a freaky project though, we make software used for disasters
[03:29] <cbx33> awesome
[03:29] <jsgotangco> www.sahana.lk
[03:31] <jsgotangco> its kind of strange when you design a module that says "please bring a dozen body bags along with some formalin solution"
[03:32] <cbx33> hmm
[03:32] <cbx33> quite sombering
[03:32] <jsgotangco> someone's got to do it though
[03:32] <jsgotangco> it helped a lot during the tsumai disaster in the region
[03:32] <jsgotangco> tsunami rather
[03:37] <pygi> ergh
[03:37] <pygi> evil lag :-/
[03:37] <bddebian> Heya
[03:38] <pygi> hi bddebian :)
[03:41] <highvoltage> ogra__: http://jonathancarter.co.za/ubuntu-stuff-catching-up
[03:43] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: such a tiny piece of hardware but looks more bulkier na XO-1
[03:43] <jsgotangco> than rather
[03:45] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: yeah
[03:45] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: the hardware is nicer, but it doesn't have any special interface. of course, that can be changed ;)
[03:46] <jsgotangco> the classmate pc is pretty much a small version of a celeron m anyways
[03:47] <highvoltage> it's a strong cpu. you can even to composite stuff on it (even compiz runs on it)
[03:47] <highvoltage> well, strong compared to the geode and via cpu's, at least :)
[03:47] <jammcq> highvoltage: s/strong/powerful/
[03:47] <jammcq> don't wanna confuse people with StrongArm cpu
[03:47] <jsgotangco> it can break bricks!
[03:48] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: have you heard of the INK?
[03:48] <cliebow_> jsgotangco, can you post the link for jonsthancarters photos?
[03:48] <cliebow_> again..
[03:48] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: nope. got a link?
[03:48] <highvoltage> cliebow_: which one? I have lots of photo links :)
[03:48] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: http://www.ink-media.com/
[03:48] <jsgotangco> this one is different, running a freescale CPU
[03:48] <cliebow_> from uds/
[03:48] <cliebow_> ?
[03:49] <highvoltage> cliebow_: http://photos.jonathancarter.co.za/uds-gutsy
[03:49] <cliebow_> much obliged..gotta see my boy trask
[03:49] <highvoltage> cliebow_: I don't have lots of uds-specific photos yet, but will upload much more in the coming days. check the other albums too, there are a LOT of ubuntu photos
[03:50] <cliebow_> the link i wanted scrolled off..guess i need to look around
[03:51] <jsgotangco> there's also the VIA PC-1 initiative
[03:52] <jsgotangco> and a slew of other chinese projects running on godson
[04:50] <dfgas__> when do i pop in the classroom addon cd to the desktop cd? after desktop boots up or while still into the desktop live cd?
[04:51] <sbalneav> After the install
[04:51] <dfgas__> so before i reboot ehh?
[05:06] <sbalneav> dfgas__: No, after you reboot, and the install's finished.
[05:06] <sbalneav> Install the base system, reboot, and install the addon cd,
[05:10] <dfgas__> k
[05:12] <dfgas__> right at the end of the installer it removes all that stuff
[05:12] <dfgas__> why not just fix it and realse and updated version
[05:14] <sbalneav> What does it remove?
[05:15] <dfgas__> gcpompris, tuxmat tux paint and a crap load of others
[05:15] <dfgas__> it installed all that stuff then removed it, this is the desktop cd
[05:17] <sbalneav> I just talked with ollie
[05:17] <sbalneav> Apparently, yes, this is the case.
[05:17] <sbalneav> It's because of the two cd split.  There's stuff on the live cd that isn't installed.
[05:18] <sbalneav> So, like I say, you need to install the addon cd,
[05:18] <dfgas__> but the desktop cd installs that sutff then removes it
[05:20] <sbalneav> Yes.
[05:21] <sbalneav> It's a byproduct of the two cd edubuntu server split.
[05:21] <sbalneav> I suspect it will be fixed for gutsy.
[05:25] <dfgas__> but isn't the addon just for the server edition?
[05:28] <RichEd> dfgas__: we've been having some confusion around the naming ... we'll come up with a clearer description
[06:09] <EduardoL> hi
[06:09] <EduardoL> is anyone alive? ;)
[06:17] <EduardoL> anyone here know about edubuntu project in brazil?
[06:31] <RichEd> EduardoL: hi
[06:32] <RichEd> are you the university student who mailed jono ?
[06:32] <RichEd> ping nixternal
[06:38] <EduardoL> yes riched
[06:38] <RichEd> I have just sent you an email now ...
[06:38] <RichEd> I was busy with it when you appeared here :)
[06:41] <EduardoL> oh
[06:41] <EduardoL> thanks.
[06:41] <EduardoL> you is who receive jono mails?
[06:47] <RichEd> EduardoL: he sent the mail on to me ... I am the education programme manager
[06:48] <RichEd> So I will be assisting with the University Programme
[06:48] <EduardoL> Oh right!
[06:55] <EduardoL> I want to run the project Unicenp x Ubuntu in the same line of Edubundu and Ubuntu plans.
[06:55] <EduardoL> I was thinking in develop an children an poor children integration with technology and education, using cheap computers and ubuntu.
[06:55] <EduardoL> What you think about it? And do you have some idea to use this opportunity with us to grow up in brazil one of ubuntu/edubuntu projects?
[07:03] <nixternal> RichEd: pong?
[07:10] <EduardoL> RichEd
[07:16] <pips1> nixternal: EduardoL: I tried poke RichEd here, but just left the room (here in Sevilla)
[07:17] <pips1> people are leaving for dinner...
[07:18] <EduardoL> okz, thanks! i'll send him an e-mail
[07:19] <pips1> ok
[07:20] <willvdl> hmmm, dinner
[07:29] <skipper> Hi everyone
[07:31] <pheonix_> anyone has a ubuntu 7.04 dvd
[07:38] <cliebow_> iw there a url fore more info on ubuntu engineer certification?
[08:12] <topcat> Hi anyone!
[08:15] <topcat> Has anyone installed 7.04 and noticed any strange happenings?
[08:18] <cbx33> topcat, like?
[08:20] <topcat> Well after I installed it, my terminals would not connect or took a very long time to connect and my cpu showed 100%
[08:22] <cbx33> hmmm
[08:22] <cbx33> no i havn't experienced that
[08:22] <cbx33> later all
[08:23] <topcat> Anyone else with any ideas?
[08:57] <bawetic> I have a Edubuntu server with thin client. How is it possible to get gdm on the client in french ? Hanx
[09:03] <bawetic>  I have a Edubuntu server with thin client running. How is it possible to get gdm on the client in french ? Hanx
[10:37] <kbrooks> poke
[10:37] <kbrooks> whats up, everyone.
[10:38] <highvoltage> hi kbrooks!
[10:38] <kbrooks> i'd like to talk about a important thing.
[10:38] <kbrooks> promoting ubuntu to kids.
[10:39] <kbrooks> i suggest that right now, you try to promote ubuntu to me. pretend that i am using windows
[10:39] <kbrooks> highvoltage, ping :-)
[10:40] <kbrooks> and we c an see if things go along great in that area
[10:40] <mario> kbrooks, you're using windows?!
[10:40] <mario> /kick kbrooks
[10:41] <mario> :)
[10:41] <kbrooks> mario, no, lets pretend
[10:41] <mario> I know, I'm just joking
[10:41] <mario> ignore me
[10:41] <kbrooks> oh, and assume that i dont know anything about computers
[10:41] <mario> that's going to be great :P
[10:42] <highvoltage> kbrooks: pong
[10:43] <highvoltage> kbrooks: ok, let's pretend you run Windows
[10:43] <highvoltage> kbrooks: Hi, how are you?
[10:43] <kbrooks> highvoltage, good.
[10:43] <highvoltage> kbrooks: great
[10:43] <highvoltage> kbrooks: we're having lots of fun at the Ubuntu Developers Summit this week
[10:43] <kbrooks> highvoltage, What is Ubuntu?
[10:45] <highvoltage> kbrooks: it's a complete operating system (in the same way you'd think of Windows as an operating system), which includes an office suite, web browser, email client (with scheduling), and much more
[10:45] <highvoltage> kbrooks: you can also download *lots* of add-ons for it
[10:45] <highvoltage> kbrooks: in many ways, it's even superior to Windows. especially in terms of security.
[10:46] <highvoltage> kbrooks: and the best of all... it's available for free!
[10:46] <highvoltage> kbrooks: you can even request CD's on their website, and they'll send you free discs!
[10:47] <kbrooks> highvoltage: OK, enough there :-)
[10:47] <highvoltage> kbrooks: it's based on various community projects, and it's in itself also a community project. you may even modify Ubuntu, rebrand it, and sell it as your own product, and completely legaly :)
[10:47] <kbrooks> highvoltage, your promotion is not very good :-)
[10:47] <highvoltage> oh, I was just getting started :/
[10:48] <highvoltage> I haven't even /started/ with Edubuntu :)
[10:48] <kbrooks> highvoltage, oh, ok, go on then
[10:48] <highvoltage> kbrooks: I've been working with new Linux users for years now :)
[10:48] <kbrooks> highvoltage, but you need to flesh out your kid promotion more
[10:48] <kbrooks> highvoltage, but please go on
[10:49] <highvoltage> kbrooks: kids? well, there's an Ubuntu sub-project called Edubuntu, which is a part of the Ubuntu community that modifies Ubuntu for use in schools
[10:49] <highvoltage> kbrooks: Edubuntu includes free educational content, and ships with a *Very* cool technology called LTSP, which is set up automatically during an edubuntu installation
[10:50] <kbrooks> highvoltage, what is LTSP?
[10:50] <highvoltage> kbrooks: LTSP is the Linux Terminal Services Project, which allows you to boot machines over the network without a local hard disk!
[10:50] <mario> highvoltage, don't explain LTSP to kids :P
[10:50] <highvoltage> oh right, I'm supposed to be talking to kids, right?
[10:50] <kbrooks> highvoltage, yes
[10:51] <kbrooks> highvoltage, i'll clear screen
[10:51] <highvoltage> /clear
[10:51] <kbrooks> highvoltage, ok
[10:51] <highvoltage> kbrooks: how old are you? are you a boy or a girl?
[10:51] <kbrooks> highvoltage, 16, a boy
[10:52] <highvoltage> ubuntu has some really cool games.
[10:52] <highvoltage> I'm trying to complete all the levels on xmoto
[10:52] <highvoltage> it's a motorbike game that's all about balance
[10:52] <highvoltage> some levels are real difficult, but it's a lot of fun, and I get better each time I play it
[10:52] <mario> and weird physics :P
[10:52] <highvoltage> mario: indeed :)
[10:53] <highvoltage> kbrooks: there's also termulous, a first person shooter, which is fun to play over networks
[10:53] <highvoltage> kbrooks: and if you're interested in becomming a games developer one day, then there's something you would really love about these games
[10:54] <kbrooks> highvoltage, ok, ok, you can stop there please. admittely, you are a bad *buntu promoter :-)
[10:54] <highvoltage> kbrooks: and that's that you are allowed to look at the code of the games, and investigate how they work on the inside, so that you can learn how to write your own games
[10:54] <highvoltage> kbrooks: ok, show me how it should be done then :)
[10:55] <mario> highvoltage, you're again talking about code
[10:55] <kbrooks> also, games are not important
[10:55] <highvoltage> mario: yes, that's because he's 16 years old, so he wants to make games when he grows up
[10:55] <highvoltage> :p
[10:56] <kbrooks> i'll turn the tables
[10:56] <mario> highvoltage, it's not funny :P Making games is not as easy as playing them :P
[10:56] <highvoltage> in real life, I would actually prod and poke a bit to find the interests of the potential user first
[10:56] <mario> ofcourse
[10:56] <kbrooks> highvoltage, i'll pretend you are 14, and that you are using windows, and that you know how to download a program and run it.
[10:56] <mario> kbrooks, he knows much more then you think
[10:57] <highvoltage> mario: there are some 10 year old kids in the US who create levels for tuxracer, that motivates them a *lot*
[10:57] <highvoltage> kbrooks: ok
[10:57] <mario> highvoltage, nod, but not entire games =) Well, there are but ..
[10:57] <kbrooks> highvoltage, so, let's start (without any knowledge that you are using windows)
[10:57] <highvoltage> kbrooks: hi uncle Kyle!!!!!
[10:57] <kbrooks> highvoltage, hey, long time no talk
[10:57] <highvoltage> kbrooks: I just downloaded the newest Itunes!! And download ed thelatest Linkin Park!!!
[10:58] <kbrooks> highvoltage, how do you like them?
[10:58] <highvoltage> kbrooks: well done!! lolz
[10:58] <kbrooks> highvoltage, i was just getting started :-)
[10:59] <highvoltage> kbrooks: i'm watching them on the tubez
[10:59] <kbrooks> highvoltage, cool, now i want to talk about these programs you downloaded.
[10:59] <highvoltage> kbrooks: yeah I get all my warez with kazaa
[11:00] <kbrooks> highvoltage, do you know what kazaa is?
[11:00] <highvoltage> kbrooks: i download stuff with it
[11:00] <kbrooks> highvoltage, yup, you do. kazaa's site says it's "freeware".
[11:00] <highvoltage> yeah 100% free
[11:01] <kbrooks> highvoltage, it's not 100% free.
[11:01] <mario> it's free in no sense, and it polutes your computer
[11:01] <highvoltage> it is!!! I downloaded it free! and now I download all my warez for free!!!
[11:01] <highvoltage> mario: how is it not free?
[11:01] <kbrooks> highvoltage, yes, you got it for free. but that doesn't mean you have freedoms.
[11:01] <highvoltage> kbrooks: what freedoms?
[11:02] <highvoltage> kbrooks: I am free to download what I want!
[11:02] <mario> highvoltage, in addition to that, with kazaa you've got a lot of adware's and spywares
[11:02] <kbrooks> highvoltage, the right to run kazaa for any purpose
[11:02] <kbrooks> highvoltage, which you don't have
[11:02] <highvoltage> kbrooks: hmmm? I can run it for whatever I want. games. music. anything.
[11:03] <highvoltage> I downloaded teh Vista with it today.
[11:03] <kbrooks> highvoltage: you can't. you don't know that.
[11:03] <highvoltage> kbrooks: but I did!!!
[11:04] <kbrooks> highvoltage, not so. you had to accept a "licensing agreement" to  use kazaa.
[11:04] <highvoltage> kbrooks: yeah I just clicked next
[11:05] <kbrooks> highvoltage, yes, you did. but by doing so, you gave up a lot of rights which you should not have to give up.
[11:05] <kbrooks> highvoltage, first off, you gave up the right to redistribute kazaa to your friend.
[11:06] <MrWizard14> I can't figure out how to install konqueror
[11:06] <highvoltage> kbrooks: I copy kazaa to all my friends!!
[11:06] <MrWizard14> dude, that's completely wrong
[11:06] <kbrooks> highvoltage, that doesn't mean you CAN do it under the law.
[11:06] <MrWizard14> look at th GPL
[11:06] <MrWizard14> *the
[11:06] <kbrooks> MrWizard14, hold on.
[11:06] <highvoltage> (kbrooks: btw, going into licensing details may be just as boring to a child as talking about code)
[11:07] <MrWizard14> ok sry
[11:07] <MrWizard14> I'm a child
[11:07] <MrWizard14> and I think it's interesting
[11:07] <kbrooks> highvoltage: anyway, you gave up a lot of freedoms thhat you need...
[11:07] <highvoltage> kbrooks: lots?
[11:07] <kbrooks> highvoltage, yup. a lot.
[11:08] <highvoltage> bddebian: how much?
[11:08] <bddebian> Huh?
[11:08] <kbrooks> bddebian, highlighting mistake.
[11:08] <kbrooks> bddebian, i think
[11:08] <highvoltage> (bddebian: I'm supposedly a 14 year old Windows user who knows how to download stuff, and kbrookshave to convince me to use Ubuntu)
[11:08] <kbrooks> highvoltage, be right back
[11:09] <highvoltage> bddebian: oh yes, sorry, hilighting mistake
[11:09] <MrWizard14> basicaly, someone put their timeand effort into making kaaza
[11:09] <bddebian> highvoltage: Good luck :-)
[11:09] <highvoltage> MrWizard14: how old are you?
[11:09] <MrWizard14> mrwizard(14)
[11:10] <MrWizard14> duh
[11:10] <MrWizard14> im 14
[11:10] <MrWizard14> or 1337
[11:10] <MrWizard14> jk
[11:10] <MrWizard14> jk
[11:11] <highvoltage> kbrooks: here we have a real life 14 year old you can work on!
[11:11] <MrWizard14> wtf
[11:12] <MrWizard14> i'm bal
[11:12] <MrWizard14> *bak
[11:12] <MrWizard14> why should I be worked on
[11:12] <MrWizard14> huh
[11:13] <highvoltage> MrWizard14: you already run ubuntu? :)
[11:14] <MrWizard14> nah
[11:14] <MrWizard14> school comp
[11:14] <MrWizard14> XD
[11:14] <MrWizard14> I am MacKed
[11:15] <MrWizard14> OSX is better
[11:15] <MrWizard14> but I can use edubuntu when I want to
[11:15] <MrWizard14> just basic command line
[11:15] <MrWizard14> cd ls and lpr to success
[11:16] <MrWizard14> hello?
?
[11:17] <MrWizard14> because I hit my knee on the desk
[11:27] <kbrooks> highvoltage, ping
[11:35] <highvoltage> kbrooks: pong


[00:39] <phaidros> how to start the grub shell when running the system?
[00:39] <phaidros> ages ago there was a command called "grub"
[00:39] <phaidros> this seems gone :)
[00:40] <phaidros> since the days of grub-legacy have passed
[03:55] <gmachine_24> greetings, earthlings. my server with 13.xx installed on the main 60GB ssd drive is all of a sudden full - as in registering 100% occupado. I did  $sudo df / and it came back 100% used . . . I have done daily back ups using tar and they have taken up only 2GB of space on a separate back up drive
[04:02] <davecore82> gmachine_24, do you have a question? what do you want to know?
[04:04] <gmachine_24> davecore82, yes, well, I suppose my question is whether this is normal and if not what can I do about it.......?
[04:05] <cfhowlett> gmachine_24, , df doesn't require sudo ...
[04:05] <gmachine_24> davecore82, the tar back ups still only take up 2GB of space
[04:05] <davecore82> you could start by finding what's using the most space with a command like    ( du -xSk || du -kod || du -ax ) | sort -nr | head -30
[04:05] <davecore82>    ran from your / dir
[04:05] <cfhowlett> gmachine_24, clear out your logs???
[04:05] <gmachine_24> davecore82, well ok but I get almost the exact same output when I just do df /
[04:08] <sarnold> gmachine_24: probably first things first, go look for huge logs in /var/log ; use apt-get clean and apt-get autoclean and apt-get autoremove to free up some more space
[04:08] <davecore82> this will work too:    du -xSk / | sort -nr | head -10
[04:08] <sarnold> gmachine_24: once you've gotten yourself some headroom you can start looking for your data that's big :)
[04:12] <gmachine_24> hi - thanks for the help. I had run apt-get clean and apt-get autoremove already. I just ran apt-get autoclean. I deleted a bunch of podcasts that were downloaded when I first set up the server; I forgot they were there.
[04:13] <gmachine_24> however, after removing the podcasts I get the same 100% used
[04:13] <gmachine_24> when running df /
[04:13] <davecore82> are they currently opened in some application on your server?
[04:13] <gmachine_24> I really think there is a problem that I cannot recall exactly having to do with ssds .... this will again teach me to keep all notes
[04:14] <gmachine_24> davecore82, what 'they' are you referring to?
[04:14] <davecore82> the podcasts
[04:14] <gmachine_24> I deleted them
[04:14] <gmachine_24> and no
[04:14] <gmachine_24> not opened in some application
[04:15] <davecore82> but where they already opened somewhere? sometimes when your df doesn't show any change it's because the files are still opened somewhere
[04:15] <davecore82> you could check what lsof returns and see if you see anything weird
[04:22] <gmachine_24> davecore82, I'm not familiar with lsof .. but, as I said, this is a new situation . . . I'm going to reboot the server and see if deleting the podcasts makes a difference;
[04:26] <gmachine_24> ok, the server is back up and things are the same; the thing that is different, which I should have realized and said before, is that I've installed and am configuring KVM so I can run virtual machines........
[04:26] <davecore82> did you run this?  du -xSk / | sort -nr | head -10
[04:26] <gmachine_24> I just installed KVM last night but did not create any vms as it got late and I don't want to do that when I am tired
[04:27] <davecore82> that command will find the top 10 directories using the most disk space
[04:31] <gmachine_24> davecore82, yes, I had run it before; here is the out put: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7128838/
[04:31] <davecore82> you should run it with root
[04:31] <gmachine_24> ha, ok, brb
[04:33] <gmachine_24> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7128843/ run with sudo
[04:33] <davecore82> can you show the output of df -h ?
[04:34] <davecore82> I don't see how your 60 GB disk be full with just that showing up
[04:36] <gmachine_24> davecore82, unless the squeezebox server cache is some how out of control; and, yes, that's what I meant - it makes no sense to me, either
[04:36] <davecore82> can I see your df -h ?
[04:37] <gmachine_24> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7128861/          from sudo df -h
[04:38] <davecore82> do you use things like file system snapshots, ...?
[04:39] <gmachine_24> davecore82, well, having no idea what that is I'm going to say no
[04:39] <davecore82> :)
[04:39] <gmachine_24> is it like an image?
[04:40] <davecore82> I can't help you sorry. Some forum suggests you run fsck from single user mode
[04:40] <davecore82> http://askubuntu.com/questions/256619/df-shows-all-space-taken-but-du-doesnt-add-up
[04:41] <davecore82> does this show anything interesting ?   lsof | grep '(deleted)'
[04:41] <gmachine_24> just like that with the deleted and everything?
[04:41] <davecore82> lsof | grep '(deleted)'
[04:41] <gmachine_24> the lsof command before led to a huge output
[04:41] <davecore82> this one will be shorter
[04:43] <gmachine_24> uhm... well, running with sudo and without sudo I got the same output: nothing
[04:44] <davecore82> so that means its not deleted files locking your space
[04:44] <davecore82> If you can, follow the instructions from that link
[04:44] <davecore82> maybe your fs is corrupted
[04:45] <gmachine_24> davecore82, yes, could be. so I guess it's good that I have a > a month of back ups
[04:45] <gmachine_24> davecore82, thanks again for your time
[04:45] <davecore82> where are the backups exactly? on a different drive?
[04:45] <gmachine_24> davecore82, yes, different drive
[04:45] <davecore82> try that fsck thing
[04:45] <davecore82> good luck
[04:45] <sarnold> anything in /root ? it looked mos likely out of those locations to possibly have some data stashed away
[04:46] <gmachine_24> sarnold how do I tell what is taking up all that space in /?
[04:49] <sarnold> gmachine_24: normally davecore82's little recipe does the job
[04:49] <sarnold> (I never use -S myself but it shouldn't matter much one way or another)
[04:50] <gmachine_24> sarnold, ok, well, the output didn't add up.......... I am logged in from a remote terminal using ssh -X ..... is there some way I can run the graphical disk usage analyzer remotely? I'm not even sure it's installed on the server
[04:51] <sarnold> gmachine_24: you could try, the only one I know of is 'kdf', but that will bring i nthe whole kde runtime, unless it's already installed you won't be able to make it fit :)
[04:54] <gmachine_24> sarnold, it's ok - I ran the disk analyzer using the command line baobab ..... and nothing accounts for the full disk........
[04:55] <sarnold> gmachine_24: it could be that some of your other mounts _might_ be mouted on top of directories full of data...
[04:55] <sarnold> gmachine_24: I'd umount all your external drives and look again
[04:55] <gmachine_24> I mean it shows the disk is using up something like 48GB of 51GB total..... but then there's nothing in the file system details which comes close to using that amount of space
[04:57] <gmachine_24> you know what, I wonder . . . . I'll be right back; I might have the answer
[05:04] <gmachine_24> sarnold, oh well. I thought maybe it had something to do with my backing up my music collection to an external 1TB usb drive; but, I removed that, rebooted the computer and get the same information. So I don't know. Thanks for your help. I'm beat - going to turn in.
[05:17] <raj__> how do I prevent tomcat installation(sudo apt-get install tomcat7) from installing openjdk when I already have oracle java installed ?
[05:21] <sarnold> raj__: take a look at the 'equivs' package, I think it could help you
[05:22] <raj__> sarnold: thanks going to look at that..!
[09:12] <ilhami> Anybody here?
[09:14] <cfhowlett> ilhami, yes
[09:14] <ilhami> cfhowlett, I got a free DNS host from noip.com.
[09:15] <ilhami> How can I configure this with Ubuntu server?
[09:15] <cfhowlett> ilhami, can't help with that - sorry
[09:15] <cfhowlett> !dns
[09:15] <cfhowlett> best I can do ^^^
[09:41] <DamienRed> Hello
[09:41] <cfhowlett> DamienRed, greetigns
[09:41] <cfhowlett> greetings
[09:43] <DamienRed> ty, Im thinking of starting a ubuntu server at home
[09:43] <DamienRed> It
[09:43] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:43] <DamienRed> Just looking over it on the site
[09:46] <DamienRed> CAn you connect windows and mac to a ubuntu servecr?
[09:46] <cfhowlett> DamienRed, certainly a windows with samba - don't know about mac
[09:46] <cfhowlett> !samba
[09:48] <DamienRed> aha yeah, samba looks like what i was looking for .
[09:49] <DamienRed> Does ubuntu server have features similar to active directory?
[09:59] <Gr1> Hi everyone
[12:47] <caribou> rbasak: I have a uvtool question :
[12:47] <caribou> rbasak: if you run 'uvt-kvm create onetest", who does uvt-kvm selects the image to use ?
[12:47] <caribou> rbasak: on my test system, I have 5 images starting with Oneiric & this command picked up precise which was the second in the list
[12:48] <rbasak> caribou: let me check the exact logic
[12:48] <caribou> rbasak: I'm working on the doc & just want to provide a few simple examples
[12:49] <RoBoT_38> guys
[12:49] <RoBoT_38> I want to ask
[12:49] <rbasak> caribou: it defaults to release=`distro-info --lts`
[12:49] <rbasak> caribou: I think there's an error in the manpage there, where I said it also defaults to the host arch. I don't think it does.
[12:49] <RoBoT_38> what is the command for movilng all files that begin with a, b, c, to a folder.
[12:50]  * rbasak needs to fix that
[12:51] <caribou> rbasak: no it doesn't, my test system is trusty & it installed precise
[12:51] <rbasak> caribou: what does "distro-info --lts" on your trusty system say?
[12:51] <caribou> rbasak: precise, so it is coherent
[12:52] <rbasak> I think it'll change to trusty once distro-info-data is updated in Trusty, which I guess happens on release or something.
[12:52] <rbasak> Users who care should specify.
[12:52] <rbasak> Do you think that's a problem?
[12:53] <caribou> rbasak: no, as long as it is clearly outlined in the doc
[12:53] <caribou> rbasak: I wanted to show that it was so simple to use that just doing 'uvt-kvm create onetest' was enough to get toing
[12:53] <caribou> s/toing/going
[12:54] <caribou> rbasak: with your explanation, I'll explain how it gets picked up
[13:19] <zul> jamespage/hallyn: so I was thinking we should apply for an MRE for libvirt for trusty+1, what do you think?
[13:27] <gQuigs> s the 12.04 + icehouse cloud archive open for business?  just found that it is active... is it meant to be used now? (I wasn't expecting it to be released until it got backported from 14.04)
[13:30] <zul> gQuigs: yes pre-releases are available
[13:31] <hallyn> zul: mre, why?
[13:31] <zul> hallyn:  so we can do a "stable" branch and get in updates faster
[13:32] <jamespage> zul, +1
[13:32] <zul> hallyn:  seabios as well it was just pointed out to me
[13:32] <hallyn> zul: sounds good.
[13:32] <hallyn> man my laptop is being weird
[13:33] <hallyn> well we don't want seabios updated without qemu
[13:48] <zul> smb:  did xen 4.4. get uploaded?
[13:48] <smb> zul, yup
[13:48] <zul> smb:  sweet
[13:49] <smb> zul, now we just need to weed out some issues
[13:49] <zul> jamespage:  ill fix the python-pbr failing for the CA this afternoon
[13:50] <zul> smb: ill try to test xen-4.4 with libvirt/openstack next week
[13:50] <smb> zul, Ok, that would be awesome. And let me know all the bugs you find.
[13:51] <zul> smb:  ack
[13:57] <gQuigs> zul: is it going to eventually provide nodejs as well?  (they have a specific version dependency between it and libv8 that is provided)
[13:59] <jamespage> zul, ack
[14:12] <zul> gQuigs: uh...probably not...whats the specific dependency you are talking about?
[14:19] <gQuigs> nodejs (precise) depends specifically on libv8-<IP_ADDRESS>
[14:19] <gQuigs> they specifically want to install npm and find that can be impossible
[14:22] <jamespage> gQuigs, there is no intent to provide nodejs in the cloud-archive
[14:23] <gQuigs> hmm..  I think it might be due to the libv8-dev not having the version number in the package name
[14:24] <gQuigs> libv8-3.14 and libv8-3.7 are installable side by side, but there is only one libv8-dev package
[14:25] <gQuigs> why is libv8 included in the cloud archive?
[14:27] <jamespage> gQuigs, mongodb
[14:28] <gQuigs> thanks both, bug is precise not the cloud archive...
[14:30] <gQuigs> or actually.. do you need to provide the libv8-dev package?  you have the libv8-3.14-dev package..
[14:31] <gQuigs> having that package breaks letting them both be installed
[14:31] <gQuigs> you don't have a package for libv8-dbg
[14:35] <jamespage> gQuigs, we try to make the cloud-archive delta as small as possible; I'd like to understand why you have the cloud-archive enabled on a server where you are doing other nodejs stuff?
[14:36] <gQuigs> jamespage: I don't; it's a customer
[14:39] <gQuigs> they say it's a dependency for their Razor setup, through npm...
[14:40] <gQuigs> ah... puppet-razor
[14:40] <gQuigs> it's a test node for them where they track the latest changes to see if anything will break in their setup in the future
[14:49] <gQuigs> I'll make a detailed bug report to the cloud archive and we can figure out next steps there
[14:53] <Obsdark> hey oh
[14:53] <cfhowlett> Obsdark, greetings
[14:57] <Obsdark> i'm trying to connect to internet with ubuntu server, through terminal to upgrade/update but i can't, when i ping any site in the outside internet it appears "ping: unknown host www.google.cl" and if i try to ping my router apparead "PING <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data." and then start to spam this "From <IP_ADDRESS> icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unrecheable", i'm trying to connect to internet
[14:57] <Obsdark>  through wifi, to a static ip router(modem who gave wifi to several comps)
[14:57] <Obsdark> any suggestions?
[14:57] <Obsdark> how to fix this problem?
[14:57] <Obsdark> thanks in advance
[14:58] <Obsdark> PS: i'm kinda noob in linux & specialy in ubuntu
[14:59] <Obsdark> PS2: i'll try asking in stack overflow (ask ubuntu) but i stop receive responds after like 8 hours ago
[15:00] <Obsdark> and what i print here is as far as we arrive with the guy who help me (before stop)
[15:19] <Dj_FlyBy> any reason why my Ubuntu Server 12.04 keeps changing it's IP address? I set it manually via this guide --> https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/network-configuration.html    but it doesn't seem to stay permanent and changes even when the server ISN'T restarted....
[15:23] <gQuigs> Dj_FlyBy: see if dhclient is still running
[15:31] <drums> hey guys
[15:32] <cfhowlett> drums, greetings
[15:32] <drums> nice to meet you, im pretty new to linux since a damm long break like 10? years :=
[15:32] <drums> last time i was running linux, suse 9 was the shit everyone was running trough
[15:32] <Obsdark> - AndroidLoverInSF ha entrado
PS2: i'll try asking in stack overflow (ask ubuntu) but i stop receive responds after like 8 hours ago
[15:33] <cfhowlett> drums, language - keep it clean
[15:33] <drums> users from germany here?
[15:34] <drums> i got some rly hard nut for you guys
[15:34] <Obsdark> i'm trying to connect to internet with ubuntu server, through terminal to upgrade/update but i can't, when i ping any site in the outside internet it appears "ping: unknown host www.google.cl" and if i try to ping my router apparead "PING <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data." and then start to spam this "From <IP_ADDRESS> icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unrecheable", i'm trying to connect to internet
[15:34] <Obsdark>  through wifi, to a static ip router(modem who gave wifi to several comps) any suggestions? how to fix this problem? thanks in advance PS: i'm kinda noob in linux & specialy in ubuntu
[15:34] <cfhowlett> !de|drums,
[15:35] <jamespage> coreycb, zul: we need to fixup https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-archive/+bug/1267307
[15:35] <drums> i was previously able to set my display within a script wich loads by booting gnome/unity to set my customized screen resolution by the command "xrandr 1199 x 904" (for example)
[15:36] <drums> but then i played around with all this funny compiz stuff and so on until everything crashed
[15:36] <drums> like EVERYTHINK
[15:36] <drums> i made it to work again, even witout a new instalation
[15:37] <drums> and ye, i got my workspacecube, i got my cairo, i got all the fancy nice looking transperancy stuff again BUT
[15:37]  * ogra_ wonders how this is related to ubuntu-server
[15:37] <drums> xrandr command doesnt work anymore, it now just takes resolutions wich are PREdefined (like all the standart resolutions)
[15:38] <ogra_> sounds like you would rather want #ubuntu or #ubuntu-de
[15:38] <zul> jamespage:  ack ill put it on my todo list
[15:38] <drums> but i cant set it anymore to a specific resolution by myself, what happend?did i kinda bugged out X server by itself?
[15:39] <drums> ogra_ ye sry, maybe its the wrong channel, i excuse myself for that
[15:39] <Obsdark> ogra_ it would be the right channel for my case?
[15:39] <ogra_> np, it is just the the guys in here will likely not be able to help much with desktop stuff
[15:40] <ogra_> since this is the server specific channel
[15:40] <drums> but maybe u got some idea?cause even friends of mine, wich are realy expirienced in linux, got no idea how this could happen
[15:41] <drums> ye its a problem with x, administrators are not involved into x serv
[15:41] <drums> but maybe one of u had this problem by himself before
[15:41] <drums> and the solution is quit simple
[15:41] <drums> :)
[15:45] <Dj_FlyBy> gQuigs: dhclient is in fact running
[15:45] <gQuigs> zul: jamespage, reported the libv8 issue, https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-archive/+bug/1295723
[15:46] <gQuigs> Dj_FlyBy: that's your issue..  our docs need desperate updating
[15:46] <gQuigs> ifdown the interface first, should stop the dhclient, I think... then you can make the change
[15:46] <gQuigs> and ifup it back
[15:46] <gQuigs> (assuming you don't just have one interface, if you do, I suggest rebooting
[15:47] <Dj_FlyBy> change is already made... and are permanently added to the interfaces file whichis why I am so confused
[15:48] <Dj_FlyBy> I can't reboot the server every times this happens.... I need to solve the problem :) multiple websites ad such are hosted on this server... rebooting it constantly i s bad business
[15:49] <gQuigs> Dj_FlyBy:  post your interface conf file (w/ ips removed) somewhere
[15:49] <Dj_FlyBy> ok
[15:50] <rbasak> gQuigs: as a workaround, can you pin libv8-dev in precise to score higher than the cloud archive?
[15:52] <jamespage> rbasak, gQuigs: that was going to be my suggestion
[15:54] <novochar> I'm reading http://www.danscourses.com/Linux-Fundamentals/install-a-configure-the-bind-dns-server.html and it tells me to edit /etc/sysconfig/network-script/ifcfg-eth0 ubuntu-server doesn't have this file, it does have /etc/sysctl.conf though
[15:54] <novochar> Is it the same?
[15:54] <novochar> Where would I insert DNS1=<IP_ADDRESS>?
[15:55] <novochar> And is that even relevant?
[15:55] <patdk-wk> novochar, you have lots of issues
[15:55] <rbasak> novochar: I suggest you look for a guide that accomodates Debian and Ubuntu. It sounds like you're looking at a RHEL/Fedora/CentOS -specific guide.
[15:56] <rbasak> novochar: eg. the official Ubuntu server guide for 12.04: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/dns.html
[15:57] <gQuigs> rbasak: jamespage, yes that appears to be a valid workaround
[15:57] <rbasak> Great! I can't think of any other way to solve this problem. It's a fundmental property of the cloud archive that it won't necessarily work with arbitrary packages from the release.
[15:57] <novochar> Thanks for the link rbasak
[15:58] <novochar> patdk-wk: noted
[15:59] <gQuigs> rbasak: I'm not suggesting removing libv8-3.14-dev, just libv8-dev..
[16:01] <Dj_FlyBy> ack.... I forget how to list the contents of a file
[16:01] <Dj_FlyBy> gQuigs: trying to sprunge that interfaces file for you
[16:05] <novochar> Dj_FlyBy: cat?..
[16:08] <Dj_FlyBy> novochar: hahah thanks...... can't believe I forgot that
[16:10] <novochar> I don't see anywhere in /etc/bind/ where this example could be inserted: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildcard_DNS_record#Definitions_of_DNS_wildcards
[16:11] <Obsdark> hey oh i'm trying to connect to internet with ubuntu server, through terminal to upgrade/update but i can't, when i ping any site in the outside internet it appears "ping: unknown host www.google.cl" and if i try to ping my router apparead "PING <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data." and then start to spam this "From <IP_ADDRESS> icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unrecheable", i'm trying to connect to
[16:11] <Obsdark>  internet through wifi, to a static ip router(modem who gave wifi to several comps) any suggestions? how to fix this problem? thanks in advance PS: i'm kinda noob in linux & specialy in ubuntu but i have a CentOs one working if that is usefull for something, any ideas?
[16:11] <novochar> None of the db files would fit and the named.conf.* files have a different syntax
[16:14] <Dj_FlyBy> gQuigs:  http://sprunge.us/ZbGF
[16:16] <jamespage> gQuigs, see my note on your bug report as to why we can't do that
[16:18] <Obsdark> any chance somebody tells me at least if my problem make sence or where i can find a answer?
[16:18] <gQuigs> jamespage: still don't understand why it can't depend on libv8-3.14-dev directly
[16:23] <novochar> This could be useful if it was for 13.10: http://www.leaseweblabs.com/2013/08/wildcard-dns-ubuntu-hosts-file-using-dnsmasq/
[16:23] <gQuigs> Dj_FlyBy: don't see anythng wrongg.... are the $ just an artifact?
[16:24] <novochar> If I just apt-get install dnsmasq, will ubuntu use it for dns forwarding?
[16:24] <Dj_FlyBy> gQuigs: i'm guessing the $ are part of the cat -A command as they don't actually existin the file itself
[16:35] <tcollins> Im trying to setup MAAS on a set of physical machines.  I'm having an issue with the DHCP setup, the docs say everything can be done from the WebUI but nothing changes.  Do I have to manually edit my interfaces files as well?
[16:36] <novochar> This looks relvant: http://therailworld.com/posts/36-Wildcard-Subdomains-with-Dnsmasq
[16:36] <novochar> The problem here is I don't want `blah`, I'd like *
[16:36] <novochar> Is it possible to use * with dnsmasq?
[17:12] <Mez> Quick Question: I've setup LDAP -and it reports administrators:*:10001:mez
[17:12] <Mez> for getent group
[17:12] <Mez> but if I run "groups" as myself, I only see my primary group.
[17:12] <Mez> Any idea why this would be the case?
[17:13] <bekks> Mez: Did you re-login?
[17:13] <Mez> bekks: yup
[17:13] <Mez> even rebooted it :)
[17:16] <jrwren> the groups command doesn't use libnss to do its lookups. I'd recommend not using it.
[17:16] <jrwren> or... i'm reading strace output incorrectly
[17:17] <Mez> jrwren: it shows me in the LDAP groups on another system...
[17:17] <jrwren> nevermind me then.
[17:18]  * Mez has managed to somehow get locked out of sudo via this
[17:26] <Mez> Ah, it's nscd
[17:57] <raj__> tomcat7 by default installs openjdk, however I would run tomcat using already installed Oracle JRE, should I leave the  openjdk that will come along with tomcat as it is (I have seen that trying to uninstall openjdk also uninstalls tomcat7) Is there any harm in leaving it incase I dont wish to use it? (avoiding uninstall just because it is leading to complexities )
[17:58] <patdk-wk> if it explicitly depends on openjdk, that is a bug
[18:00] <raj__> patdk-wk: dont no why but when I tried uninstalling openjdk it uninstalled tomcat7  as well.. actually may be becuase I did not installed oracle jre via apt-get so it see only openjdk installed via apt-get ..
[18:07] <zul> jamespage:  have you had a chance to look at python-psutil yet?
[18:07] <zul> jamespage:  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7131876/
[18:08] <jamespage> zul, hmm
[18:08] <jamespage> is that in the lab?
[18:08] <zul> jamespage:  ppa
[18:08] <zul> ci ppa sorry
[18:09] <jamespage> zul, under openstack-ubuntu-testing?
[18:09] <zul> yep on precise
[18:10] <jamespage> zul, oh foobar
[18:10] <jamespage> I expect that it got built with old dh-python
[18:11] <zul> jamespage:  ack
[18:12] <jamespage> zul, oh - psutil is out-of-date on i386 - it failed to build
[18:12]  * jamespage hits rebuilkd
[18:12] <zul> jamespage:  merci buckets
[18:16] <Valduare> hi guys I got a headless ubuntu server running on wifi as a cups print server
[18:16] <Valduare> I got it connecting great with dhcp and wpa_supplicant
[18:16] <Valduare> i understand there are problems with trying to specify a static ip? with wpa_supplicant
[18:18] <sarnold> I thought wpa_supplicant worked on the wifi layer rather than the IP layer?
[18:18] <lordievader> That was my impression too.
[18:19] <Valduare> I was just reading about it not completing if you had network/interfaces setup for static
[18:20] <sarnold> admittedly I've not tried it, but it doesn't sound right to me.
[18:20] <Valduare> guess i'll just try it heh
[18:21] <Valduare> luckily i can just take the sd card out and redo the network interfaces file if it does not work heh
[18:21] <sarnold> woo :)
[18:22] <Valduare> i got ubuntu 12.04 lts running on a mk802iiis to use as a cups print server
[18:23] <lordievader> Last time I did a static wifi address I used a very nasty work around, I wrote an /etc/init.d script. I couldn't get /etc/network/interfaces to work properly.
[18:38] <adam_g> smb, were you planning on upload someting to saucy proposed /w debdiff in 1248025? or should i?
[18:38] <adam_g> or hallyn
[18:38] <adam_g> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libvirt/+bug/1248025
[18:47] <tcollins> im trying to debug PXE under MAAS, where are the pxelinux.cfg files for MAAS?
[18:49] <hallyn> adam_g: it is on my list,
[18:49] <tcollins> the pxelinux.cfg seems not to exists under MAAS
[18:49] <hallyn> adam_g: if you do, pls also include bugs 1287232 and /1264465
[18:51] <sarnold> tcollins: look for /usr/share/pyshared/provisioningserver/pxe/config ?
[18:51] <adam_g> hallyn, hmm. those look less like low hanging fruit.
[18:51] <adam_g> IOW over my head :)
[18:51] <hallyn> in any case there is a pkg in -proposed still
[18:51] <hallyn> unless it cleared whil i wasn't looking
[18:52] <adam_g> ohh damn, right
[18:52] <adam_g> that exterely difficult bug to verify
[18:53] <hallyn> i think we shoudl take the verifications we have and go with it, but then i'm not on the sru team :)
[18:53] <tcollins> sarnold: is that the config.py file?
[18:53] <zul> jamespage:  https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/nova/2013.1.5
[18:53] <zul> coreycb: ^^^
[18:53] <sarnold> tcollins: I think it's used to make the pxe config.. it's been ages since I've done anything with it, but I've got that in my notes :) heh
[18:55] <tcollins> sarnold: I'm just trying to understand how maas controls pxe.  Since there is no pxelinx.cfg for the nodes to pull
[18:57] <zul> jamespage/coreycb: https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/neutron/2013.1.5/+merge/212226
[18:57] <tcollins> sarnold: it seems as though maas is not creating the config files
[18:58] <sarnold> tcollins: check out the maas-import-pxe-files script, it might have the details you need
[19:08] <tcollins> sarnold: maas-import-pxe-files just downloads the images.  Nothing helpful in there
[19:11] <jamespage> zul,  neutron +1; nova - do we really need to release?
[19:13] <zul> jamespage:  yes "Known Issues and Limitations" https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/2013.1.5
[19:14] <zul> jamespage:  keystone is still buidling for me
[19:16] <jamespage> zul, that nova commit list is incomplete then
[19:16] <zul> jamespage:  ok ill have a look
[19:21] <zul> jamespage:  that CVE got fixed in october according to the changelog
[19:26] <zul> jamespage:  im happy to skip it
[19:29] <zul> jamespage:  https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/keystone/2013.1.5/+merge/212232
[19:31] <Obsdark> good day, i have a issue with the static ip configuration
[19:32] <Obsdark> you see: when i try to use the instructions on the oficial documentation, it just doesn't work, the dhcp-client process is dead but apt-get don't let me unninstall it, also i can't connect to the internet through cable modem
[19:32] <Obsdark> or better say, "wired" any suggestion or help would be greatly apreciated
[19:38] <pmatulis> Obsdark: you've mentioned 'static' and 'dhcp'.  what are you up to?
[19:40] <Obsdark> ok, wellwell, i'm making a "test" with a notebook
[19:40] <Obsdark> the idea is connect it to internet and stup a server
[19:40] <Obsdark> setup*
[19:41] <pmatulis> Obsdark: can you get an IP or not?
[19:41] <Obsdark> i first try to make work a wifi net, but now i'm thiknking than it's better use cable connection and clone it
[19:41] <Obsdark> with that pc, i can't even ping google
[19:42] <Obsdark> it must been said than i'm through a modem than brings wifi to some other pc's too
[19:42] <Obsdark> and that one have a static ip
[19:43] <Obsdark> i'm just thinking on clone this machine entirely on another pc after end the test here, but before of that i need set it up internet to it, cable internet, any suggestion?  I set it manually via this guide --> https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/network-configuration.html    but it doesn't seem to stay permanent and changes randomly even when the server ISN'T restarted....
[20:06] <bekks> Dj_FlyBy: It changes to what? Can you give us an example?
[20:07] <Dj_FlyBy> it changes fromthe static 10.x.x.3 to 10.x.x.10
[20:08] <bekks> In a vbox environment?
[20:12] <Dj_FlyBy> I'd have to say no since I'm not entirely certain what that is
[20:12] <Dj_FlyBy> I'm guessing VirtualBoxin which case, no
[20:14] <pmatulis> Dj_FlyBy: heh heh
[20:15] <pmatulis> Dj_FlyBy: see whether a dhclient process is running
[20:16] <pmatulis> (ps ax | grep dhclient)
[20:30] <Dj_FlyBy> pmatulis: no it is not running
[20:34] <Dj_FlyBy> ok this is weird.
[20:34] <Dj_FlyBy> I search for a running process and I getnothing
[20:34] <Dj_FlyBy> but your command shows something
[20:36] <Dj_FlyBy> pmatulis: -->  http://sprunge.us/ZAWa
[20:40] <Dj_FlyBy> OOOoooOo  I found a VERY useful guide....  for anyone else to note in case of others with my issue....  -->  http://lani78.com/2012/07/19/change-to-static-ip-on-the-ubuntu-precise-pangolin-server/
[20:49] <pmatulis> Dj_FlyBy: so you'll want to do 'kill $(pgrep dhclient)'
[20:50] <pmatulis> Dj_FlyBy: or similar, 'kill $(pgrep dhclient3)'
[21:10] <Dj_FlyBy> pmatulis: but that kill it permanently, or wil it start again if so some od reason the server gets rebooted?
[21:10] <Dj_FlyBy> what about stopping it and then sudo apt-get remove isc-dhcp-client
[21:14] <qman__> Dj_FlyBy: you don't need to uninstall it, just configure /etc/network/interfaces as static ip and it won't activate after a reboot
[21:15] <Dj_FlyBy> butI've had the interfaces file configured for some time and the server has been rebooted since then
[21:16] <qman__> you can also use dhclient -r to release your lease and it will stop trying to reconfigure it
[21:17] <qman__> sounds like something else is interfering then, maybe network-manager?
[21:19] <Dj_FlyBy> headless
[21:20] <qman__> that doesn't mean network-manager isn't installed
[21:21] <Dj_FlyBy> I didn't personally so unless by default
[21:21] <Dj_FlyBy> doesn't hurt to check :)
[21:21] <qman__> i know there were some bugs about this years ago, but i haven't run into it since 2012
[21:21] <qman__> and i install a lot of 12.04 servers
[21:21] <Dj_FlyBy> andso t is
[21:21] <Dj_FlyBy> grrrrr
[21:22] <qman__> it isn't on a default install but can easily get pulled in as a recommend
[21:29] <Dj_FlyBy> how do Isee what is using it so I know if I can close it
[21:30] <qman__> network-manager is the daemon running in the background
[21:31] <qman__> you probably don't have the gui app installed
[21:31] <Dj_FlyBy> could use it if I did, lol
[21:31] <Dj_FlyBy> couldn't*
[21:31] <qman__> provided your normal config works, you can just apt-get remove it
[21:32] <qman__> though if it's remote you might want to take some precautions
[21:32] <Dj_FlyBy> I did edit the interfaces file a while agi


[01:59] <Bashing-om> Fallen: In the recent restructure of the LoCo support - there is the loss of https://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ . As is now we have no view (maybe even no way to input) on future LoCo events. Any way you can advise on a work-a-round ?
[03:12] <Bashing-om> Fallen: Oh ^ the portal: https://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ *now* directs to https://ubuntu.com/community/locos .
[13:58] <lotuspsychje> Fallen: do we have a link somewhere yet of the wiki to discourse transition roadmap?


[08:10] <atari314> hello :)
[08:11] <atari314> do you know if the ubuntu-minimal (the meta-package: http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/ubuntu-minimal + boot loader + kernel) is enough for a complete boot?