[12:00] <broodster> hey
[12:00] <broodster> do i need a program
[12:00] <Kamion> teuf: switch to alt-f2 around the middle of the installation (during the partitioning stage is good), switch to alt-f2, 'nano /var/lib/dpkg/info/grub-installer.postinst', put 'set -x' (without the quotes) on the second line, save and exit the editor, and then continue with the installation
[12:00] <broodster> to open binaries?
[12:00] <Kamion> broodster: type 'head -n 1 jdk-1_5_0_01-nb-4_0-bin-linux-1.bin' and show us the output, please
[12:01] <Kamion> teuf: then you should have a full trace of what grub-installer's doing in /var/log/syslog (I think, or it might be /var/log/messages)
[12:01] <Kamion> teuf: the code there is rather simple and doesn't talk to hardware; all I can think of is that it must be an infinite loop
[12:01] <broodster> |  GNUUEv1^PTRh D
[12:01] <broodster>                                                     hQVhUSP[ Jt&BJUJ
[12:02] <broodster> that's the output o_O
[12:02] <spikeb> it'd be nice if rhythmbox actually scanned directories for changes on load
[12:02] <Kamion> broodster: oh so it's actually an executable, not a shell script, hm
[12:03] <Kamion> broodster: what happens when you type 'file jdk-1_5_0_01-nb-4_0-bin-linux-1.bin'?
[12:03] <broodster> it's java
[12:03] <broodster> runtime
[12:03] <broodster> how the hell do i open it
[12:03] <Kamion> paste the output of 'file jdk-1_5_0_01-nb-4_0-bin-linux-1.bin' please
[12:03] <teuf> Kamion, ok, I'm gonna get that stuff, I'll be back in a while
[12:03] <Kamion> teuf: thanks
[12:04] <broodster> broodster@broodster:~ $ sudo sh jre.bin
[12:04] <broodster> jre.bin: jre.bin: cannot execute binary file
[12:04] <broodster> oh woops
[12:04] <broodster> broodster@broodster:~ $ file jre.bin
[12:04] <broodster> jre.bin: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.5, statically linked, stripped
[12:04] <Kamion> sh won't be able to open it, obviously, it's not a shell script
[12:04] <Creap> isn't there a firefox 1.0 for ubuntu?
[12:04] <Kamion> you *are* on i386, aren't you?
[12:04] <broodster> amd64
[12:04] <teuf> Kamion, hmm, actually it doesn't totally hang, but the boot device detection takes a few minutes, dunno if that's to be expected or if it's still worth a bug ?
[12:04] <broodster> oh
[12:04] <Kamion> Creap: yes, in hoary, it wasn't released when warty released and the release candidate gave us troubles
[12:05] <broodster> it's only for intel based architectures?
[12:05] <spikeb> Creap, there's a backport available
[12:05] <spikeb> Creap, check http://www.cuodan.net/~spike/sources.list for the details
[12:05] <Creap> ok tnx
[12:05] <Kamion> broodster: I can't remember if amd64 can run statically linked i386 binaries
[12:05] <Setite> is cd burning really as difficult as it seems to be from this chat room
[12:06] <spikeb> no
[12:06] <Kamion> it can run dynamically linked ones if you have the libraries there
[12:06] <Setite> i see so many people saying its not working
[12:06] <spikeb> works fine for me
[12:06] <Setite> staticly linked?
[12:06] <Setite> hey who is successfully using ubuntu64 with 32bit libs
[12:06] <Kamion> openoffice.org works for me on amd64, and that's a 32-bit application in warty
[12:07] <Setite> with 32bit chroot or that other method
[12:07] <Setite> really
[12:07] <Kamion> 32-bit chroots work perfectly
[12:07] <Setite> is that common
[12:07] <Setite> but did you do the thing to add them
[12:07] <Kamion> not really, OOo just isn't 64-bit clean at the moment so we punted to the 32-bit version
[12:07] <Kamion> which is a lot more work for us actually
[12:08] <broodster> okay well
[12:08] <Kamion> it's much easier if stuff builds and runs 64-bit
[12:08] <broodster> how do i run abinary?
[12:08] <Kamion> broodster: ./jre.bin
[12:08] <Setite> is there an automated process for rebuilding progs to use 64-bit libs
[12:08] <Kamion> or whatever
[12:08] <Kamion> Setite: same as building packages from source for any other system
[12:08] <Setite> remember i know nothing so im just throwing out random questions without knowledge of plausibility or possibility
[12:08] <broodster> wow
[12:08] <broodster> thanks =D
[12:08] <Kamion> if you don't have the source code, you're screwed.
[12:09] <Setite> but if i download 32-bit code and compile it... it will automatically use the 64-bit libs? successfully?
[12:09] <Kamion> broodster: I never thought that you wouldn't have tried that, since crimsun suggested it to you above
[12:09] <Kamion> Setite: source code (at least halfway decent code) is not intrinsically 32-bit or otherwise, it's just source
[12:10] <Kamion> if it's badly written it might break in a 64-bit environment for one reason or another, in which case you should get the author to fix it
[12:10] <spikeb> i should compile muine
[12:10] <nevyn> Kamion: some * = (void *) someint
[12:10] <Kamion> nevyn: like I say, badly written code
[12:10] <broodster> oh
[12:10] <nevyn> Kamion: but nevertheless common.
[12:10] <broodster> i just spotted the amd64 version
[12:10] <broodster> lol
[12:11] <Kamion> nevyn: sure, didn't say it wasn't
[12:11] <Kamion> nevyn: that's independent of the fact that Setite is confused about what source code is ... :)
[12:11] <Kamion> yes, amd64 can run statically linked i386 executables, just tested
[12:12] <Setite> i know what it is mostly... im just not 100% familiar with what makes code 64-bit...
[12:12] <Kamion> nevyn: mind you, most of the Debian/Ubuntu archives are pretty clean of that sort of thing.
[12:12] <Setite> one more question for the 64-bit thing... well 2... is source generally available for most apps?
[12:13] <spikeb> the source is available for evry open source app
[12:13] <JDahl> Setite, it's just a C program like any other
[12:13] <Setite> hehe nvm.. 1
[12:13] <nevyn> Kamion: true they are. bdale had a big push on portability a while ago.
[12:13] <Kamion> nevyn: and many others, yes
[12:13] <nevyn> and then ubuntu pushed it further.
[12:13] <Kamion> we haven't done very much in that field compared to what went before us
[12:13] <nevyn> when he was dpl it was one of his big deals
[12:13] <Kamion> we run build daemons and catch the odd bug
[12:14] <nevyn> yeah so are ubuntu using the standard buildd's?
[12:14] <nevyn> or custom ones?
[12:14] <Kamion> pretty much standard, some modifications
[12:14] <nevyn> and are you autobuilding on x86?
[12:14] <Kamion> most of which have been fed back to Ryan
[12:14] <daniels> (we're not using debian's actual buildd machines, obviously)
[12:14] <Kamion> sure
[12:14] <nevyn> that's one of my big bugbears with debian.
[12:14] <nevyn> that they don't autobuild on the maintainers arch
[12:15] <Kamion> it makes sense in the Debian world; you wouldn't get decent testing of uploaded packages otherwise
[12:15] <Kamion> at least with source+binary uploads you can hope that the *maintainer* tested the upload.
[12:15] <nevyn> Kamion: the problem is. that there are two packages I know of..
[12:15] <Setite> bugbear?
[12:15] <nevyn> that are built agains the nvidia glx headers
[12:15] <Kamion> Setite: gripe
[12:15] <killpanda> plop :)
[12:15] <nevyn> Setite: annoyance.. gripe
[12:15] <spikeb> heh nevyn
[12:15] <Setite> yea i figured that... but i found it to be an odd word
[12:16] <killpanda> how has installed ubuntu on an oldworld powerpc ? :)
[12:16] <Kamion> nevyn: yes, regrettably that happens occasionally, but it's fairly rare and generally dwarfed by other problems
[12:16] <calc> otoh binary uploads mean that you have no idea if arch all packages can be built
[12:16] <Kamion> calc: sure we do, Daniel Schepler runs around with a private autobuilder and files bugs religiously
[12:16] <calc> Kamion: heh :)
[12:16] <nevyn> unless the maintainer is very conciencous and uses an sbuild
[12:16] <Setite> hehe i wonder what ill learn from sams teach yourself linux in 24 hours
[12:17] <spikeb> probably not much
[12:17] <calc> how to use the gui
[12:17] <Setite> well im reading it for one thing
[12:17] <nevyn> Setite: teach yourself C for linux in 24 hrs isn't terible.
[12:17] <nevyn> main is an int like god intended
[12:17] <Setite> i want to know wtf xfree86 and x.org are
[12:17] <calc> Setite: safari is cool :)
[12:17] <nevyn> 24 days not hrs
[12:17] <Setite> i dunno if i want to learn C
[12:17] <nevyn> Setite: x servers
[12:18] <crimsun> C is probably the easiest language to learn
[12:18] <Setite> haha visual basic drove me nuts
[12:18] <nevyn> Setite: they're the underlying infastructure of the graphical user interface
[12:18] <calc> c++ seems easier so far
[12:18] <Setite> shit this book is old
[12:18] <calc> but python rox them all :)
[12:18] <crimsun> K&R is a testament to the simplicity of C
[12:18] <nevyn> calc: you're not the calc?
[12:18] <crimsun> he is _the_ calc.
[12:18] <calc> nevyn: i'm not?
[12:18] <Kamion> Setite: 64-bit dependencies in source code tend to be things like making unwarranted assumptions about the lengths of primitive types like int
[12:18] <Setite> what else do i have
[12:18] <killpanda> erf, I have a problem when I want to boot the fresh installed box ... he tell me that he can't open root device ... but I can try with all the root= options I want he don't boot :'(
[12:18] <Setite> int
[12:18] <nevyn> the one who maintained large portions of kde?
[12:19] <Kamion> killpanda: there's a reason we don't support oldworld :(
[12:19] <calc> nevyn: yes
[12:19] <Setite> see... you talking about sex to a two year old
[12:19] <killpanda> Kamion: arfff
[12:19] <nevyn> I still say C should have had a bounded datatype in the language.
[12:19] <Kamion> killpanda: somebody has done it, there's a bug open about it
[12:19] <nevyn> I ment unbounded.
[12:19] <killpanda> Kamion: ok
[12:19] <Setite> hmmm oreilly learning debian gnu
[12:19] <calc> nevyn: i learned languages orignally by doing (no books), i'm going back and relearning them now via books to close the gaps
[12:19] <Setite> this may teach me something
[12:19] <nevyn> ah
[12:20] <nevyn> I've done lots of books.
[12:20] <nevyn> I need to do 3 years of working with code.
[12:20] <Kamion> Setite: you probably won't get the difference between XFree86 and X.org out of a book; it's a fairly recent development and largely political rather than technical
[12:20] <killpanda> i had tried with a 2.4 kernel and it worked but for the modules and others it is not very good ...
[12:20] <calc> nevyn: hmm?
[12:21] <Setite> ok
[12:21] <killpanda> ( i'm french, excuse me for the bad english :) )
[12:21] <calc> crimsun: doing oop in c seems a bit more complicated than c++ for example ;)
[12:21] <nevyn> calc: I know lots of programming theory. I need to do some serious coding.
[12:21] <crimsun> calc: you're better off shooting yourself in the foot ;)
[12:21] <nevyn> calc: umm yes cause in c you have to write all the infastructure yourself.
[12:21] <nevyn> C is procedural. don't try and make it something it's not.
[12:22] <calc> nevyn: isn't that the point of gnome on c?
[12:22] <Setite> hehe this may be the best book of all these ones
[12:22] <Setite> still older than hell
[12:22] <nevyn> no the gnome people hate  OOP
[12:22] <crimsun> is Miguel still a gnome person?
[12:23] <siulca> Hi
[12:23] <calc> crimsun: yes he made top 50 on network world this week
[12:23] <nevyn> they're all eww reflection callbacks are the bomb.
[12:23] <calc> crimsun: he's a VP at novell
[12:23] <crimsun> and isn't Miguel a Mono person? ;)
[12:23] <calc> yes
[12:23] <Setite> did anyone switch to linux for school reasons
[12:23] <calc> and mono isn't oop, it just your imagination ;)
[12:23] <nevyn> heh
[12:24] <crimsun> calc :P
[12:24] <Setite> never again do i want to lose a report because im too dumb to save it...
[12:24] <Kamion> nevyn: *shrug* the GNOME libraries are object-oriented
[12:24] <siulca> can I install Return To Castle Wolfenstein: Enemy Territoy on my Ubuntu? I knwo there's a linux version but not sure if it's compatible with Ubuntu. Anyonw has a clue?
[12:24] <nevyn> Kamion: in  C which is just.. wrong.
[12:24] <crimsun> siulca: yes, you can. It runs fine.
[12:24] <drspin> HIGH SCHOOL --
[12:24] <calc> i switched to linux because it was hard
[12:24] <Kamion> nevyn: I don't agree
[12:24] <crimsun> siulca: it's distro-independent
[12:24] <scizzo> siulca: it works just fine...
[12:24] <drspin> Calc: exactly ;)
[12:24] <calc> now its too easy, bah ;)
[12:24] <Kamion> nevyn: that argument is not really appropriate here, though :)
[12:24] <siulca> crimsun: excellent cool amazing :D
[12:25] <nevyn> Kamion: true.
[12:25] <killpanda> goodbye mens :)
[12:25] <kuckus> Hi all
[12:25] <crimsun> calc: better move on to BSD! ;)
[12:25] <calc> crimsun: BSD has gnome/kde too :\
[12:25] <calc> i need to switch back to altair or something ;)
[12:25] <crimsun> ;)
[12:25] <siulca> that reminds me I still need to install my 9800XT drivers... anyone knows of a howTo?
[12:25] <JDahl> Setite, I switched from Win3.11 for some undergraduate programming courses around 10 years ago... the 64kb segments in Windows were driving me nuts
[12:25] <drspin> Calc - develop your own distro...
[12:26] <calc> really i switched to linux because i saw the magic word on a login screen to my isp in 1995
[12:26] <Setite> calc.. i switched for that reason with redhat 6.... and rendered a harddrive nearly worthless
[12:26] <calc> heh
[12:26] <Setite> hehe... i was like 12 or 13 then
[12:26] <calc> i remember redhat 6 that wasn't too long ago
[12:27] <calc> i stopped using redhat with release 5.0
[12:27] <kuckus> I just killed my XF86...conf after installing radeon drivers without making a backup first... so I was thinking of letting the installer script re-run to get the one it created automatically during installation back. Is that a good idea? Also, in case it is, what is the installer script called and where do I find it?
[12:27] <Setite> yea it wasnt... like 99 i think
[12:27] <calc> that was a big pos
[12:27] <drspin> my first dual boot was RH 6
[12:27] <drspin> and win98
[12:27] <Setite> i wasnt successful
[12:27] <will> i switched to linux about 3 months ago
[12:27] <adam_> I tried extracting a cd to wave and it does it at .6, I have a NEC dvdrw 16X, shouldnt it extract much faster?
[12:27] <adam_> Is dma not enabled?
[12:27] <broodster> hmmm
[12:27] <drspin> dma?
[12:27] <Setite> yea i imagine alot of people switched at rh6 time.... it was a peak in windows instability
[12:27] <broodster> how do i compile a .jar?
[12:27] <calc> adam_: perhaps or if the disk is scratched it will go slow as well
[12:27] <adam_> direct memory access
[12:27] <nevyn> adam_: it's cdparanoia.
[12:28] <adam_> disc is brand new, perfect
[12:28] <adam_> cdparanoia isnt that slow if i remember right
[12:28] <drspin> no I knew that -- I was saying to check if it's on or not
[12:28] <adam_> .6?
[12:28] <nevyn> adam_: reading redbook is harder than reading data cd's
[12:28] <calc> adam_: yea cdparanoia should be faster on a good disc
[12:28] <nevyn> adam_: even without dma you should go faster than that.
[12:28] <calc> adam_: try ripping it directly with cdparanoia and see what it does
[12:28] <adam_> itunes and windows media extract at light speed in comparison
[12:29] <will> kuckus: just edit the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file and change the driver :)
[12:29] <nevyn> it's not copy protected or something evil?
[12:29] <Setite> haha i just learned why OS's exist
[12:29] <Setite> hehe
[12:29] <adam_> Kraftwerk Computer World
[12:29] <calc> itunes rips slow as well if you set it to do error correction
[12:29] <calc> but usually at least 4x
[12:29] <adam_> I dont think its protected
[12:29] <calc> cdparanoia can successfully rip stuff itunes dies on though
[12:29] <drspin> I rip at 7x with iTunes error correction and 16-18x without :D
[12:29] <will> kuckus: or run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[12:30] <calc> i have some really bad cds that cdparanoia rips fine, but itunes completely stops
[12:30] <calc> on that topic is there anything that can encode to m4a format on linux for playback on ipods?
[12:30] <adam_> 7X is fast compared to .6X
[12:30] <kuckus> will: That *might* work... though I'm not sure what else my dpkg-reconfigure adventure that was proposed in the FAQ changed ;) I'll give it a try
[12:31] <calc> adam_: yea 0.6X sounds like something bad is happening
[12:31] <drspin> calc: why not just use mp3?
[12:31] <calc> same reason people use ogg over mp3, m4a is much better than mp3
[12:31] <kuckus> will: That's what I did in the first place, afterwards the xserver wouldn't start again
[12:31] <drspin> calc: I agree...
[12:31] <will> kuckus: if you accept the defaults it wont change anything:)
[12:31] <calc> and ipod can't play ogg :\
[12:31] <drspin> install ipodlinux :)
[12:31] <kuckus> will: well I accepted most, so....
[12:32] <kuckus> will: anyway I'll just try again.
[12:32] <daniels> drspin: ipodlinux only plays ogg at 80% realtime
[12:32] <drspin> daniels: boo
[12:32] <teuf> calc, there's a libfaac iirc to encode to m4a, maybe it comes withr a command line encoder
[12:32] <will> kuckus: change the 'driver' to 'ati' and remove any special settings
[12:32] <adam_> how do you get cdparanoia to give you speed?  -v doesnt do it
[12:32] <Kakarotto> hey
[12:32] <calc> teuf: ok
[12:32] <will> kuckus:or post your xfree86 config in room #flood
[12:32] <will> or www.pastebin
[12:32] <will> .com
[12:32] <calc> adam_: no idea, i just time it :)
[12:32] <adam_> Also, doesnt sound juicer use cdparanoia?
[12:32] <Kakarotto> where the heck is the "/etc/X11/fs/" folder?
[12:33] <liquidboy> ubuntu crashed :O i was just fiddling with the themes, and it started throwing a wobbly, and crashed (windows style :P )
[12:33] <Kakarotto> does someone knows?
[12:33] <will> Kakarotto:dunno, but i do not haveit
[12:33] <calc> adam_: i think it does, but testing directly with cdparanoia will let you see if its the reason it is slow
[12:33] <Kakarotto> hello?
[12:34] <adam_> Well if dma is not enabled my dvdrw will be slow, how do i check and enable dma?
[12:34] <calc> Kakarotto: i don't have that folder
[12:34] <Kakarotto> damn it
[12:34] <nevyn> adam_: htdparm
[12:34] <nevyn> bleh
[12:34] <Kakarotto> i need it to install some truetype fonts
[12:34] <nevyn> adam_: hdparm
[12:34] <Kakarotto> and every tuto talks about that directory but it doesn't exists.. i'm frustrating
[12:35] <Kakarotto> does someone knows how to install truetype fonts?
[12:35] <Kakarotto> adam_: btw, how are you going with your X server?
[12:35] <huttan> anyone know of a good way to assign mousekeys?
[12:36] <will> adam_: use hdparm
[12:36] <adam_> I got it, had to install from web on install, then install build-essential then install nvidia driver
[12:36] <adam_> This is what I hate about linux, everything if not hard is a time consuming pain in the ass
[12:37] <kuckus> will: ok, just replacing flgrx with ati hasn't helped so far - is there an easy way to post the file to #flood or pastebin.com from the conole? Still trying to find my way around here... ;)
[12:37] <nevyn> adam_: so don't use it. nobody's forcing you.
[12:37] <adam_> Microsoft is forcing me
[12:37] <nevyn> if there's something that works better for you use that.
[12:37] <nevyn> how so?
[12:37] <huttan> kuckus, if you have flgrx in your config it shouldnt work
[12:37] <calc> adam_: get a mac
[12:37] <Kakarotto> kuckus  : r u having problems with fglrx? (ati drivers)
[12:37] <huttan> kuckus, it's fglrx
[12:38] <Kakarotto> i have "just" got my fglrx working some hours ago.. if you need help....
[12:38] <adam_> I love linux I just dont understand why dma is not enabled and my graphics dont work out of the box
[12:38] <kuckus> huttan - sorry, typo! that's what I had
[12:38] <jan_> hiho
[12:38] <jeffreyb> Got a n00b question... I just recieved my Ubuntu cds in the mail. I currently use Mepis but favor Gnome Desktop- Thats why I'm trying Ubuntu. What I would like to know is if Warty is stable.
[12:38] <nevyn> adam_: what graphics card?
[12:38] <crimsun> adam_: for what device is DMA not working?
[12:38] <adam_> I got my graphics working
[12:38] <crimsun> jeffreyb: yes
[12:38] <will> kuckus: sudo gedit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[12:38] <nevyn> if it's very new it's because we don't have support written yet. if it's from nvidia it's because they're assholes
[12:39] <crimsun> jeffreyb: not much point in calling a release 'stable' if it's unstable ;)
[12:39] <drspin> how can I store my hdparm settings?
[12:39] <neighborlee> will, just in case you have any other ideas before I make forum post...I am unable  ( I went to URL you pasted )to run k3bsetup as root user only as regular user..so I run it and it asks for my password but then I get this:: Command 'kcmshell' 'k3bsetup2' not found ? ;_)
[12:39] <jan_> is there any netmd support under ubuntu for my minidisc-player?
[12:39] <jeffreyb> Mepis folks commplain that its not stable - suspect a bias ;P
[12:40] <unperson> Path of least resistence to mount a smb share?  I could browse it with nautilus but there wasn't an obvious option for mounting it.
[12:40] <will> kukus: yeah remove it, what huttan said
[12:40] <sysop> anyone with any experience using SIPPhone software on ubuntu? Links, info?
[12:40] <Dekkard> well.. it took a while but i finally broke gnome in hoary..
[12:40] <Kakarotto> does someone knows how to install truetype fonts?
[12:40] <crimsun> drspin: see /etc/default/hdparm
[12:40] <adam_> hdparm -d /dev/hdc   this should work right?  do i have to restart or goto runlevel 3?
[12:41] <will> neighborlee: you must follow the howto, and use the 'Root Terminal'
[12:41] <crimsun> adam_: that only queries the setting
[12:41] <crimsun> adam_: it does not set it
[12:41] <drspin> adam_: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[12:41] <adam_> it failed, operation not permitted
[12:42] <jeffreyb> Here would be my delima in switching to Ubuntu... I need to use Win4Lin and I understand that Warty isn't Win4Lin ready.
[12:42] <drspin> jeffreyb - so use vmware
[12:42] <will> neighborlee: also remember that you have to have all the correct packages, that k3b 'suggests' (ie k3blibs etc)
[12:42] <crimsun> jeffreyb: then compile the kernel module for win4lin using linux-headers-`uname -r`
[12:42] <adam_> Do I have to be in runlevel 3 or something to set it?
[12:43] <drspin> adam_ try it
[12:43] <huttan> kuckus, have you got your fglrx module to work?
[12:43] <adam_> I did, it failed, operation not permitted
[12:43] <teuf> Kamion, I filed bug #5059 with the files you asked for
[12:43] <siulca> could you be so kind to tell me how do I check my kernel version? :/
[12:43] <Creap> which sshd should i use..? i find a few when i apt search for sshd
[12:44] <huttan> siulca, uname -r
[12:44] <mcgood> uname -a to check
[12:44] <unperson> I tried using LinNeighborhood, but it says smbmnt must be installed suid for users to mount a share.
[12:44] <siulca> huttan, thanks :)
[12:44] <Creap> and just apt-get install sshd doesn't find anything
[12:44] <unperson> ...which it's not.
[12:44] <unperson> apparently
[12:44] <neighborlee> will,  I do...ie: it installed fine in synaptic
[12:44] <huttan> Creap, apt-get install openssh-server
[12:45] <Creap> ok
[12:45] <adam_> bwahaha, I cant even play the cd, guess i should get my sound card working before i bother ripping my cds
[12:45] <will> huttan: is fglrx an ati module?
[12:45] <huttan> will, yes
[12:45] <drspin> adam_ are you on a laptop?
[12:45] <kuckus> huttan: no, and I can't seem to get the old ati driver working, either, the server isn't starting at all. a backup of the original file would have been great ;)
[12:45] <Creap> great thanks
[12:45] <huttan> It's the graphics module for ati graphics card
[12:45] <adam_> Asus A8V AMD64 3500+
[12:45] <unperson> Is there a better way to mount a smb share?  Can I reconfigure smbmnt or add a line to /etc/fstab to fix this issue?
[12:45] <adam_> Realtek sound I believe
[12:45] <drspin> are you using onboard IDE controller?
[12:45] <huttan> kuckus, you have a custom kernel or the one that comes with ubuntu?
[12:46] <huttan> unperson, you can mount smbmounts from fstab if that's what you're asking
[12:46] <drspin> adam_ are you using onboard IDE?
[12:46] <adam_> Im using the Promise RAID controller as ide for my 2 sata harddrives
[12:47] <adam_> what does that have to do with my sound?
[12:47] <kuckus> I'm not sure what setting to change in dpkg-reconfigure to get it back to its original state - 'ati' driver alone doesn't do it... It's still the original kernel
[12:47] <drspin> ok and what about for the CD drive?
[12:47] <unperson> huttan, eh, no, I'm asking how can I allow users to mount arbitrary smb shares (in their own directories)?
[12:47] <huttan> kuckus, dpkg -l |grep fglrx
[12:47] <adam_> my dvdrw is ide, I dont think they make sata drives yet
[12:47] <huttan> kuckus, check if you have it installed
[12:48] <kuckus> Are there any more detailed error msgs of xfree anyplace?
[12:48] <calc> plextor has sata dvd-rw now, but not many others do
[12:48] <adam_> ok well mine is ide
[12:48] <huttan> kuckus, /var/log/XFree86.0.log i think
[12:49] <kuckus> huttan: Yes, I have the -driver and -control packages
[12:49] <drspin> adam_ perhaps there is a conflict between onboard IDE and your RAID IDE card... also it's possible that your kernel is using SCSI emulation...
[12:49] <huttan> kuckus, and what does it say when you try to modprobe fglrx ?
[12:49] <ai1> hello
[12:49] <kuckus> huttan: Just followed the steps in ubunu's faq pages
[12:49] <ai1> i,m
[12:49] <ai1> spanish
[12:49] <adam_> my kernel shows my sata as sdx
[12:49] <ai1> my english is very bad
[12:50] <ai1> i installed now ubuntu
[12:50] <kuckus> huttan: nothing at all, that seems to be working fine
[12:50] <adam_> but why would a kernel not be able to handle regular old ide?
[12:50] <ai1> and i dont know
[12:50] <huttan> kuckus, well..you need the module loaded in order for it to work with your config =)
[12:50] <ai1> the password of root
[12:50] <ai1> anybody can help my
[12:50] <huttan> kuckus, try to set it back to fglrx in the config file now and try start it
[12:50] <ai1> ??
[12:50] <huttan> ai1, sudo passwd root
[12:50] <huttan> to set one
[12:50] <ai1> ok
[12:50] <ai1> thanks
[12:51] <drspin> adam_ perhaps it's a compatibility thing with your setup???
[12:51] <Kamion> teuf: thanks
[12:51] <adam_> Its not like the 939 Asus A8V is a esoteric board
[12:51] <kuckus> huttan, I added it to the end of the modules file - shouldn't that make it load automagically on boot?
[12:51] <jeffreyb> crimsun: Can I msg you?
[12:51] <huttan> kuckus, yepp
[12:51] <ai1> ciao
[12:51] <crimsun> jeffreyb: for?
[12:51] <ai1> boys
[12:51] <adam_> What pci sound card can I buy that will have no problems with Ubuntu?
[12:51] <jeffreyb> Got a question on this compile thing...
[12:52] <siulca> I just installed the ATI drivers... I think! Must I reboot for them to work?
[12:52] <huttan> siulca, nope
[12:52] <crimsun> jeffreyb: k, what's up?
[12:52] <adam_> God you guys must get tired of people coming in here asking for help
[12:52] <siulca> huttan, how can I check that they're installed and working then?
[12:52] <crimsun> adam_: on the other hand, you can stay and help others, too :)
[12:52] <Setite> i think they enjoy it
[12:52] <Setite> i even try with my limited knowledge
[12:52] <huttan> siulca, you used a preconfigured deb package to install them or you compiled it yourself?
[12:53] <adam_> That would be the blind leading the blind  ;)
[12:53] <Kamion> teuf: whoa, interesting
[12:53] <Setite> but i may only be half blind whereas you may be completely blind
[12:53] <siulca> huttan, er... I used synaptic!
[12:53] <huttan> siulca, sudo modprobe fglrx
[12:53] <Kamion> teuf: it's hanging on the non-ASCII character in the detected name of your Windows system
[12:53] <adam_> All the more reason not for me to lead someone else
[12:53] <Setite> and if your just being lazy... ill tell you to tell it to father google
[12:53] <Kamion> teuf: at least, that's what appears to be happening ...
[12:53] <adam_> for me not
[12:54] <Kamion> Dec 29 00:14:47 main-menu[2586] : (process:20452):  Microsoft Windows XP [90] dition familiale
[12:54] <adam_> If I was lazy I would use AOL on windows 98
[12:54] <kuckus> huttan, changed it back to fglrx, but no luck. is 'startx' enough to restart the server do I need to do anything else?
[12:54] <siulca> huttan, did that... didn;t get any output!
[12:54] <teuf> Kamion, this would be the label of the ntfs disk ?
[12:54] <huttan> kuckus, it should be
[12:54] <huttan> kuckus, what error you get? no screens found ?
[12:54] <teuf> Kamion, I can try to change that
[12:54] <huttan> siulca, lsmod |grep fglrx
[12:55] <siulca> huttan, u could be telling me to format the hard drive and I would never know :p
[12:55] <will> kuckus: /etc/init.d/gdm stop (to stop) and start to start again
[12:55] <broodster> hey cool
[12:55] <huttan> heh
[12:55] <Cloudchaser> hey i have a question..i sometimes get artifacts on my screen..either a black "X" in the middle of my screen, or a hand/pointer that stay ont he screen for a time
[12:55] <broodster> im updating =D
[12:55] <will> kuckus: remember sudo!
[12:56] <siulca> huttan, got this output: fglrx                 207876  0
[12:56] <Cloudchaser> right now i have the hand pointing ...
[12:56] <Cloudchaser> anyone else get this?
[12:56] <Kamion> teuf: it's what's in the boot.ini file at the root of the Windows partition. Are you sure that changing that won't break Windows?
[12:56] <huttan> siulca, seems to be working fine, now use fglrxconfig to write a new XF86Config
[12:56] <huttan> atleast i think it's fglrxconfig
[12:56] <kuckus> huttan: "addscreen/screeninit failed for driver 0"
[12:56] <huttan> kuckus, you should try that too
[12:56] <kuckus> will: will try, thanks!
[12:56] <teuf> Kamion, ah ok, changing that might break windows, I'd rather not touch it if possible ;)
[12:57] <Kamion> dunno
[12:57] <Kamion> interesting problem though, is the character encoding of that file well-specified?
[12:58] <spikeb> buh
[12:58] <adam_> So is there anything you can do if it wont let you set DMA?
[12:58] <teuf> in my case, it's probably encoded in iso8859-1, but I dunno if its encoding is specified
[12:58] <Kamion> no, it's not ISO-8859-1
[12:58] <Kamion> it appears to be IBM code page 850
[12:58] <siulca> huttan, I did fglrxconfig and it's asking me about mouse configuration?!! Is this right?!
[12:59] <huttan> siulca, yes...it writes a completely new file for your ati card
[12:59] <Kamion> since 0x90 in cp850 is E-acute
[12:59] <siulca> huttan, humm... what has the mouse to do with the gFx card?!
[12:59] <Kamion> I don't think we have the tools in the installer at the moment to transliterate from cp850 to UTF-8
[12:59] <adam_> My onboard sound is Realtek ALC850
[12:59] <adam_> Doesnt work
[12:59] <kuckus> will/huttan: gdm tries starting the xserver thrice, then tells me that it thinks there's something wrong with my configuration. I'll go through the xserver-xfree86 reconfigure again...
[01:00] <huttan> kuckus, fglrxconfig
[01:00] <huttan> siulca, not much, but you still need mouse support in your XF86Config file
[01:01] <siulca> huttan, alright it's a general config file and not ATI specific...
[01:01] <huttan> siulca, booth
[01:02] <JayeAeotiv> hi
[01:02] <Setite> ati... pfft
[01:02] <Setite> they piss me off
[01:03] <JayeAeotiv> I've got wine... now how do I use it?
[01:03] <Setite> is vmware superior to wine?
[01:04] <spikeb> no
[01:04] <spikeb> they're both slow
[01:04] <spikeb> heh
[01:04] <siulca> huttan, it's asking me about my TV and has 10 PAL-x options... I haven;t got a clue what to choose! I'm in the UK btw!
[01:04] <erik> Setite, apples to oranges
[01:04] <Setite> does it work better or more often
[01:04] <Setite> apples to oranges, how so
[01:04] <scoon> what version of libglade2-0 is in hoary ?
[01:04] <trans_err> Setite, wine is not an emulator
[01:04] <Setite> because they both do things a different way?
[01:04] <Setite> oh but wmware is
[01:04] <Setite> ok... i get it
[01:05] <scoon> or even better, is there a link w/ a list of debs in hoary ?
[01:05] <Setite> i wasnt sure if vmware was considered an emulator or not
[01:05] <Setite> what abotu crossover office
[01:05] <trans_err> Setite, wine+
[01:05] <phyberoptix> what can i type to download files thru the network?
[01:05] <arctick> is there a free version of rar available for linux?
[01:05] <trans_err> phyberoptix, ?
[01:06] <phyberoptix> in console how do i download files?
[01:06] <zenwhen> wget internets
[01:06] <crimsun> scoon: 1:2.5.0-0ubuntu1
[01:06] <phyberoptix> thanx
[01:06] <crimsun> scoon: are you running warty or hoary?
[01:06] <trans_err> phyberoptix, you can use curl or wget
[01:06] <spikeb> wget -r the_internet
[01:06] <spikeb> (heh)
[01:06] <scoon> crimsun, i am running warty,
[01:06] <crimsun> spikeb: probably need -np, too :P
[01:06] <spikeb> probably hehe
[01:06] <scoon> crimsun, that is the first version that the file dialog made it into libglade.
[01:06] <scoon> crimsun, how is hoary, does it work well.
[01:07] <spikeb> i would assume not
[01:09] <crimsun> scoon: it works well and bleeds profusely
[01:09] <kuckus> huddan: That did it, brilliant! Thanks lots for the help :))
[01:10] <scoon> crimsun, what do you mean.  I really enjoy how stable warty is.  this is def the best distro i have used in almost 7 years.
[01:10] <scoon> crimsun, are there things that are just really fucked up w/ it ?
[01:10] <crimsun> scoon: there will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth if you dist-upgrade to hoary
[01:11] <scoon> crimsun, well i am certain that i can get thru that crap, but I am wondering what are some biggies
[01:11] <shorty114> once i'm done witht he installation of the distro, can i delete apps like apache, mysql, etc. sto compile them myself?
[01:11] <crimsun> scoon: it's in flux, things break and are fixed at some point, but on the whole, it's definitely recommended that you stick with warty _unless_ you wish to contribute to hoary's stabilisation _and_ can stomach things breaking -- sometimes horribly
[01:11] <siulca> I'm setting up a new config file... does anyone know what is xfree86-dga?!
[01:12] <teuf> Kamion, I removed the non ascii characters from BOOT.INI and restarted the installation
[01:12] <zenrox> ya scoon  like me i am using hoary
[01:12] <crimsun> siulca: it's the DGA extension. Generally you want it. Actually, in nearly all situations you want it.
[01:12] <teuf> windows doesn't care, I'll tell you if grub installatoin succeeds
[01:12] <scoon> crimsun, since there doesnt' seem to be anything specific, then i will keep what i got.  maybe i will just roll my own libglade2 deb
[01:12] <siulca> crimsun, thanks :)
[01:13] <Kamion> teuf: ok, cool
[01:13] <siulca> crimsun, do I want to export pseudo color visuals?!
[01:13] <crimsun> scoon: just add hoary's deb-src line and `sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get build-dep libglade2-0 && apt-get source -b libglade2-0'
[01:13] <Kamion> teuf: what was the bit about eating your Windows installation that you referred to earlier?
[01:14] <teuf> Kamion, ntfs resizing that failed, but I no longer can reproduce it :-/
[01:14] <scoon> crimsun, maybe.
[01:14] <crimsun> scoon: err, that won't work
[01:14] <scoon> crimsun, i also have a local repos that i install from.
[01:14] <Kamion> teuf: ouch
[01:14] <scoon> crimsun, that will be the easiest for me.
[01:14] <Kamion> teuf: at least it wasn't the parted geometry MADNESS
[01:14] <spikeb> heh
[01:14] <teuf> Kamion, I asked it to resize my ntfs partition to 140 GB, it displayed somethign about a failed assertion after starting the partitioning process, so I told it to cancel
[01:14] <spikeb> no kidding
[01:14] <crimsun> siulca: err what?
[01:14] <teuf> but the partition table was already modified to say the partition was 140 GB
[01:15] <teuf> and windows refused to boot
[01:15] <siulca> crimsun, lol nevermind I just messed everything up anyway :/
[01:15] <adam_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5271&highlight=dma
[01:15] <Kamion> ntfsresize is black magic to me I'm afraid
[01:15] <kuckus> So now those driver problems are settled - any cool linux games y'all can recommend for testing my new 3d support?? ;)
[01:15] <mjr> tuxracer :
[01:15] <mjr> egoboo
[01:15] <teuf> I knew something like that was bound to happen, so it wasn't an issue if I had to reformat everything
[01:15] <teuf> ;)
[01:15] <adam_> Found that for my dma problem and tried moving ide-cd to the top of the list in /etc/modules and restarted but that didnt work
[01:15] <spikeb> lol
[01:16] <adam_> How do you reload /etc/modules without restarting?
[01:16] <Kamion> just modprobe the stuff you added
[01:16] <adam_> I didnt add it, I moved it up the list
[01:16] <crimsun> kuckus: doom3 demo, et, rtcw demo, ...
[01:17] <Kamion> for stuff that weird it's unlikely that anything short of a reboot would make a difference
[01:17] <adam_> lsmod does list "via82cxxx" and that isnt in /etc/modules, should i add it ?
[01:17] <Kamion> no
[01:17] <crimsun> that's the chipset driver. You want that, heh.
[01:17] <Kamion> drivers for particular pieces of hardware are generally loaded by hotplug, which is Right and Proper
[01:17] <Kamion> leave /etc/modules for mad exceptions
[01:18] <adam_> How do you propose i get dma working on my dvdrw then?
[01:18] <Kamion> I don't, because I have no idea how that stuff works :)
[01:19] <Kamion> I was replying specifically to this:
[01:19] <Kamion> 00:17 < adam_> lsmod does list "via82cxxx" and that isnt in /etc/modules, should i add it ?
[01:19] <adam_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5271&highlight=dma
[01:19] <kuckus> crimsun: downloading.... =)
[01:19] <adam_> According to them I need to move something up the list or add something to /etc/modules
[01:19] <siulca> does anyone know what this means?!! "Do you want to synchronize buffer swaps
[01:19] <siulca> with the vertical sync signal (y/n)?"
[01:19] <adam_> ide-cd
[01:19] <adam_> ide-disk
[01:19] <adam_> ide-generic
[01:19] <adam_> sd_mod
[01:19] <adam_> sr_mod
[01:19] <Kamion> adam_: oh, I see, guess you can give it a try *shrug*
[01:19] <adam_> psmouse
[01:20] <adam_> mousedev
[01:20] <adam_> rtc
[01:20] <adam_> sbp2
[01:20] <Kamion> adam_: please never do that again.
[01:20] <adam_> lp
[01:20] <adam_> nvidia
[01:20] <adam_> That is what is in my /etc/modules
[01:20] <siulca> with the vertical sync signal (y/n)?" :|
[01:20] <adam_> Sorry about that
[01:21] <adam_> Kamion if you dont know something why tell someone else what to do or not to do?
[01:22] <daniels> adam_: flooding the channel makes it useless and is generally considered very bad form.
[01:22] <Kamion> adam_: because I thought you believed that everything in lsmod output needed to be in /etc/modules, which is a not uncommon belief but is wrong
[01:22] <adam_> Ah no
[01:22] <daniels> adam_: if via82cxxx is in lsmod's output, then it's already getting loaded, so there's no point putting it in /etc/modules.
[01:22] <adam_> I was just following what they post in that forum
[01:22] <adam_> Yeah thats what I thought but that link says diff
[01:22] <Kamion> daniels: seems there might be a stupid load order problem, so I guess /etc/modules would force that
[01:23] <daniels> hold on, why exactly is ide-generic in there?
[01:23] <rm6990> does anyone know of a good program to make posters with (for linux)?
[01:23] <adam_> so i guess i add via82cxxx to modules in the first, then run "modprobe"(by itself?) to do this?
[01:24] <Kamion> no, you get to reboot
[01:24] <adam_> I dont know
[01:24] <adam_> Someone else said to just use modprobe and you dont have to reboot
[01:24] <Kamion> if it's a module load ordering problem then nothing short of a reboot is likely to be useful.
[01:24] <adam_> Ok
[01:24] <Kamion> adam_: that would be if it weren't loaded already, which according to you it is
[01:24] <teuf> Kamion, I updated bug #5059, it no longer hangs, but grub installation fails :-/
[01:24] <Setite> dont flood more than like 3 lines
[01:24] <Setite> people get butt hurt
[01:24] <Kamion> teuf: you don't need to tell me, that bug is assigned to me :)
[01:25] <Setite> you get assigned bugs
[01:25] <Setite> haha nice
[01:25] <teuf> Kamion, yeah I know, but I dunno how quickly you get bugmail ;)
[01:25] <adam_> So I just add it to /etc/modules and reboot then?
[01:25] <rm6990> i think it is /etc/module
[01:25] <Kamion> teuf: not going to deal with it tonight anyway
[01:25] <adam_> Wouldnt modprobe reload the modules in order according to /etc/modules?  (guessing here)
[01:25] <teuf> Kamion, ok ;)
[01:25] <Kamion> why not try it and see? :)
[01:25] <rm6990> sorry, my bad, it is /etc/modules
[01:27] <rm6990> is kword or scribus any good for making posters in formats windows users can see?
[01:28] <siulca> lovely people I need some assurance about ATI drivers instalation
[01:28] <spikeb> ati drivers suck
[01:28] <spikeb> but the dri ones are worse
[01:29] <siulca> I installed the ATI driver and created a new xfo6config file... what do I do now?
[01:29] <spikeb> daniels, i would hope so.
[01:29] <daniels> ironic
[01:29] <spikeb> siulca, reboot.
[01:29] <adam_> Whoa
[01:30] <adam_> Now ripping at 4.2X  :D
[01:30] <siulca> spikeb, reboot and pray that I didn't feck the whole system up... or just reboot?
[01:30] <spikeb> siulca, praying works too, but you'll be just dandy, so don't worry
[01:30] <siulca> spikeb, lol ok... brb
[01:31] <adam_> adding via82cxxx first on /etc/modules and rebooting fixed my dma problem
[01:31] <Kamion> cool
[01:31] <adam_> Yes  :D
[01:31] <spikeb> adam_, glad to hear it
[01:32] <adam_> Is the latest release warty or hoary?
[01:32] <spikeb> warty
[01:32] <spikeb> hoary isn't released yet.
[01:32] <GoneBoB> hoary is unstable
[01:34] <siulca> identify 31124242
[01:34] <siulca> bah!
[01:34] <Ravensky> OMGWTFBBQ!
[01:34] <Ravensky> err
[01:34] <Ravensky> hi
[01:34] <crimsun> awesome, now I can masq as siulca
[01:35] <siulca> feck!
[01:35] <siulca> I'm such a knob!
[01:35] <spikeb> heh
[01:35] <adam_> Under hardware support in the wiki it only has 9 sound cards, is that it for ubuntu?
[01:35] <merhojt___> why does the terminal window get stuck on writing y when you write yes in it??
[01:35] <siulca> quick how do I change pass?!
[01:35] <spikeb> merhojt___, yes is a program that writes y repeatedly.
[01:35] <crimsun> adam_: ubuntu supports whatever ALSA supports
[01:35] <gustavor> i'm trying to do a netboot install following the netboot install how-to at ubuntu website... i'm using ubuntu as the server but xinet doesn't seems to work...
[01:36] <gustavor> there is no xinet process running even through it says it started
[01:36] <gustavor> there is no xinet process running even though it says it started
[01:36] <merhojt___> ok sounds strange, what do you use it for??
[01:38] <siulca> I installed the ATI drivers and rebooted how do I know if they're running properly?
[01:39] <Kamion> merhojt___: useful for automating programs which expect y/n answers to questions
[01:39] <merhojt___> ok thanks
[01:40] <sri> btw would it be wise to bug the mono packager regarding mono-assemblies being broken?
[01:40] <adam_> Hey guys thanks for all your help
[01:40] <crimsun> sri: not really.
[01:41] <crimsun> sri: there's not much that can be done until the build process is fixed.
[01:41] <JayeAeotiv> Hi
[01:41] <crimsun> sri: 1.0.4 can't build certain things, but 1.0.2 can
[01:41] <JayeAeotiv> Does wine work all that well?
[01:41] <crimsun> sri: it's being debugged
[01:41] <spikeb> JayeAeotiv, for some things
[01:41] <JayeAeotiv> I tried to install starcraft and it didn't work out.
[01:42] <spikeb> JayeAeotiv, wine is crap for games
[01:42] <spikeb> JayeAeotiv, you'd need cedega for that
[01:42] <JayeAeotiv> Is that good?
[01:42] <spikeb> yes, but the stable version costs money :(
[01:42] <JayeAeotiv> I could use wine to get winmx.
[01:42] <JayeAeotiv> lol
[01:42] <spikeb> heh
[01:42] <JayeAeotiv> how much is it?
[01:43] <spikeb> $5/month i believe
[01:43] <JayeAeotiv> You pay for a subscription to upgrade?
[01:43] <JayeAeotiv> or does it just quit working?
[01:43] <spikeb> no idea
[01:43] <spikeb> i havent paid for it
[01:43] <spikeb> heh
[01:43] <JayeAeotiv> Do you use the unstable version?
[01:44] <spikeb> no. i dont use any version of it currently.
[01:44] <spikeb> dont have any games to use with it besides diablo II
[01:44] <JayeAeotiv> oh
[01:44] <phyberoptix> k i know i can type apt-get install gcc   but how can i list alll that i can install?
[01:45] <dreamcatcher> hello, anyone experiencing ssl problems with exim4?
[01:45] <Kamion> phyberoptix: use a proper frontend like aptitude or synaptic
[01:45] <phyberoptix> console was werking so nicely
[01:45] <Kamion> apt-cache search can look for things for you
[01:45] <spikeb> aptitude is console
[01:45] <Kamion> aptitude's console, anyway ...
[01:47] <Scorp> hey guys I'm slightly retarted but can someone tell me where I can get the source code for the login program?
[01:47] <scizzo> login program?
[01:48] <Scorp> yeah
[01:48] <spikeb> Scorp, the graphical one?
[01:48] <valberg> prob gdm he's talking about...
[01:48] <Scorp> no no
[01:48] <spikeb> Scorp, or the console one
[01:48] <Scorp> not gdm
[01:48] <Scorp> the regular plain old login program
[01:48] <bjay> I am trying to share my internet with my wife's computer:  This computer is connected to my cable modem, and I can ssh into my wife's.  But she can't surf the web, what else needs to be done?
[01:48] <spikeb> hmm
[01:48] <spikeb> yeah let me see which package its in
[01:48] <smo> "/bin/login" comes from the package "login" .. "apt-get source login"  should grab it
[01:49] <Scorp> hmm ok won't that just install it again from source?
[01:49] <spikeb> looks like its in the package login
[01:49] <smo> nope .. it'll unpack the source + patches under the current directory
[01:49] <Scorp> cool thanks
[01:50] <Scorp> Failed to fetch a bunch of archives :(
[01:50] <Scorp> that's cause I'm not online lol
[01:50] <spikeb> heh
[01:51] <siulca> I installed the ATI drivers and rebooted how do I know if they're running properly?
[01:51] <spikeb> siulca, type fglrxinfo
[01:51] <spikeb> siulca, if it says something about using ati's drivers, it worked
[01:52] <siulca> spikeb, nope... it says a load of stuff about Mesa! :(
[01:52] <Scorp> holy shit login.c is huge lol
[01:53] <siulca> spikeb, am I in trouble?
[01:54] <Kamion> 1500 lines or so isn't too bad considering what it does ...
[01:54] <huttan> siulca, is the fglrx module loaded ?
[01:54] <Kamion> main() could probably do with being broken down a bit
[01:54] <siulca> huttan, I though so! How can i check?
[01:54] <huttan> siulca, lsmod |grep fglrx
[01:55] <siulca> huttan, fglrx                 207876  0
[01:55] <huttan> siulca, have you told your XF86Config to use fglrx as graphics driver ?
[01:56] <siulca> I created a new XFConfig file but I'm unsure if it's loaded or not... I thought that rebooting would do the trick.
[01:56] <alexander_> anyone have any experience with ubuntu failing to configure the sound card for gnome?  I am running a dell latitude c840 with an 82801CA/CAM AC'97 controller.
[01:56] <crimsun> I bet you need the acpi & irq7 boot param
[01:57] <alexander_> hmm?
[01:57] <huttan> siulca, you never have to reboot pretty much
[01:57] <crimsun> alexander_: boot with acpi_irq_isa=7
[01:57] <siulca> huttan, someone in here told me too :(
[01:58] <macewan> alexander: yes, for a soundblaster pci128
[01:58] <alexander_> ok....where can i set that to do it every time?
[01:58] <huttan> siulca, do this... cat /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |grep fglrx
[02:00] <JayeAeotiv> Do any of you do any php programming or anything similar?
[02:00] <alexander_> crimsun, where can i add that parameter to the boot settings?
[02:00] <siulca> huttan, I did... got no output!
[02:00] <spikeb> heh, you can almost tell gnome is dominated by corporate types from what it lacks in
[02:01] <crimsun> alexander_: in the grub boot menu, or on the # kopt= line in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:02] <alexander_> crimsun, thanks - good chance that line will fix it?
[02:02] <siulca> huttan, I have no idea what I'm doing... I just want to play RCW:ET :'(
[02:02] <alexander_> crimaun, is there a gui for configuring the sound or even a curses program?
[02:02] <crimsun> alexander_: there's another method we will attempt if that method doesn't work.
[02:03] <alexander_> crimsun, i will reboot with that...and see if it works...i will be back soon either way
[02:03] <alexander_> crimsun -- thanks
[02:03] <crimsun> np
[02:05] <dreamcatcher> humpf
[02:05] <occy> heh, I really wish I could get Ubuntu on this laptop.
[02:05] <dreamcatcher> seems like im having some sort of stupid tls problem
[02:05] <occy> I've been hanging out in this channel for a while now, while stuck in FC1
[02:05] <occy> hehe
[02:05] <dreamcatcher> wonder if anyone is seeing the same problem
[02:05] <AndyFitz> got my ubuntu cds !
[02:06] <Ravensky> Off to dinner!
[02:06] <occy> Got my Mom all setup on Ubuntu though, so that's good.
[02:06] <Creap> http://toshi.fine.to/blog1/picture364.html
[02:06] <crimsun> occy: better purge the FC1 ;)
[02:06] <occy> crimsun: hehe
[02:06] <siulca> how do I edit fstab?
[02:06] <dreamcatcher> with vi?
[02:06] <crimsun> siulca: with any editor and sudo
[02:07] <Cloudchaser> or gedit
[02:07] <occy> crimsun: trust me, I want to.  I can't seem to get past that one install issue where it hangs when trying to start the installl.
[02:07] <mcgood> sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[02:07] <huttan> siulca, ok
[02:07] <huttan> siulca, now you want to do: pico /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[02:07] <phyberoptix> G gGG Ggg gGg edit
[02:07] <gen> shut up wigger
[02:07] <phyberoptix> =\
[02:09] <occy> bbs
[02:09] <siulca> huttan, I did pico /etc/X11/XF86Config-4...
[02:10] <huttan> siulca, locate where your graphics card driver is and change it to fglrx
[02:12] <siulca> huttan, I found Driver under Section "Device" is that it? at the moment it's set to "ati"
[02:13] <fajar> ubuntu is great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1, it ships my cds, 7 cds, all shipped to my house without a shipping charge
[02:13] <fajar> hurray!!!!!!!!!!!
[02:15] <siulca> how do u save changes in PICO?!
[02:16] <phyberoptix> ALT + X
[02:16] <phyberoptix> ?
[02:16] <spikeb> yes
[02:16] <spikeb> er, control x
[02:16] <phyberoptix> erm yeah
[02:16] <phyberoptix> my bad
[02:17] <siulca> ahhhh
[02:17] <phyberoptix>  alt x turns off the help menu
[02:17] <siulca> this command line is driving me mad...
[02:17] <siulca> why can't I edit a simple text file in a word processor?!!!!!!
[02:17] <spikeb> um
[02:18] <gen> you can..
[02:18] <spikeb> pico is a word processor/text editor
[02:18] <siulca> no I can;t, it opens always as read onyl so I can;t save
[02:18] <spikeb> oh
[02:18] <spikeb> you didnt use sudo
[02:18] <siulca> I meant a word processor with a gui
[02:18] <gen> siulca, gedit
[02:18] <zenrox> siulca,  use gedit
[02:19] <spikeb> hey that reminds me of a gnome question
[02:19] <huttan> siulca, change it to fglrx
[02:19] <huttan> save it
[02:19] <huttan> and restart X
[02:19] <spikeb> can you somehow set it up so double clicking on a read-only text file will open gedit with root priviledges?
[02:19] <siulca> how do I open with gEdit with writing permission?
[02:19] <spikeb> (with gksu)
[02:19] <spikeb> sudo gedit
[02:21] <siulca> huttan, right, finally I managed to change ATI to fglrx.
[02:21] <siulca> huttan, is that it?
[02:22] <zenrox> siulca,  yep
[02:23] <zenrox> siulca,  now restart x
[02:23] <siulca> sorry to be such an ignorant but... how do I restart X? :(
[02:23] <spikeb> er no
[02:23] <zenrox> alt + crtl + backspace
[02:23] <spikeb> zenrox, you have to remove the old module first
[02:24] <zenrox> spikeb,  that should be all that needed to be done
[02:28] <JayeAeotiv> I downloaded a file that's for linux.
[02:28] <zenrox> siulca,  that work
[02:28] <JayeAeotiv> but I don't know how to install it.
[02:28] <siulca> thanks guys my Ubuntu just died :(
[02:28] <zenrox> JayeAeotiv,  whats the file called
[02:28] <JayeAeotiv> it's a .sh
[02:29] <crimsun> JayeAeotiv: sh foo.sh
[02:29] <siulca> I'm now using winXp
[02:29] <JayeAeotiv> NuSphere-phpd-3.3.3rvl-linux.sh
[02:29] <JDahl> siulca, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[02:29] <zenrox> JayeAeotiv, do sudo ./NuSpere-phpd-3.3.3rvl-linux.sh
[02:29] <siulca> ctrl + alt + backspace turned the screen black with no command prompt... that's all I get now when I reboot
[02:30] <JDahl> you (start|stop|restart) always anything in debian/ubuntu that way
[02:30] <JayeAeotiv> ok ty
[02:30] <JDahl> s/always/almost/
[02:30] <JayeAeotiv> I got a linux book I"m going ot read ot learn the terminal
[02:31] <siulca> JDahl, can't do it as I'm on XP now :(
[02:31] <zenrox> JayeAeotiv,  whats the book called
[02:31] <JDahl> siulca, I figured that much...
[02:32] <siulca> great I can smell a fresh installation coming... what a turn off :(
[02:32] <JDahl> siulca, what's wrong?
[02:32] <Setite> linux in a nutshell is probably the newest ebook i got here
[02:32] <JDahl> siulca, a fresh install is rarely needed
[02:32] <siulca> I just get a black screen on boot :(
[02:33] <bardamu> have a knoppix CD? use it to edit the file; that way you won't have to reinstall
[02:33] <JDahl> siulca, is it just X? or kernel panic?
[02:33] <siulca> how do I know if the screen is all black?!
[02:33] <bardamu> black screen prior to Grub, or after?
[02:33] <siulca> after boot...
[02:33] <zenrox> then its just x
[02:33] <siulca> after grub and after loading all the modules
[02:34] <JDahl> siulca, try ctrl-alt-f1 to get a console
[02:34] <siulca> I tryed, can;t see anything...
[02:34] <Ran> hello, I have some questions...
[02:35] <JDahl> siulca, and maybe boot to runlvl 1 to fix whatever is wrong (you just pass grub "1" as an extra parameter)
[02:35] <spikeb> i'll be back later when i'm done being offended by siulca.
[02:35] <siulca> this was after I created a new XF86config file... I'm guessing I entered some wrong monitor values
[02:35] <siulca> spikeb, offended by me?!!! :|
[02:36] <bardamu> grub should still have a failsafe mode? does that work?
[02:36] <JDahl> siulca, if you're going to reinstall linux because of that, you have to much spare time ;)
[02:36] <Ran> my Synaptic doesnt update the packages. I have the 4.1 installed from the mailed CDs.
[02:36] <JDahl> bardamu, in general booting to runlvl 1 should be better
[02:36] <siulca> JDahl: lol nope, I just don;t have a clue about Linux
[02:36] <bardamu> ran: did you update sources.list?
[02:37] <Ran> bardamu: let me see
[02:37] <JDahl> siulca boot to runlvl 1, or just find a way to get console mode... then use "irc" the curses based irc client to get help from here
[02:37] <siulca> JDahl: every little thing seems to be so complex to do! All I wanted was to install the ATI drivers.... *whaaaa* :'(
[02:38] <siulca> can I use irc from the console?!
[02:38] <JDahl> siulca, those things are normally easy to fix
[02:38] <JDahl> siulca, yes - "irc"
[02:38] <Ran> bardamu: I pressed RELOAD PACKAGE LIST.
[02:39] <bardamu> ran: go here: http://ubuntuguide.org/#repositories
[02:39] <bardamu> "out of the box," apt-get won't work
[02:39] <siulca> JDahl: easy for Linux hardcore users! remember that I've been nummed by Micro$shite stuff for almost a decade now... it's hard to break the habit!
[02:40] <huttan> siulca, it works for you?
[02:40] <JDahl> siulca, you guys have it too easy! I remember the first time I got X running on kernel 0.9... that was an accomplishment I felt proud over :D
[02:40] <thegreatone2176> i had posted here about a problem im having and this is what i was refered to do but i dont fully understand
[02:40] <thegreatone2176> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=271327
[02:40] <Ran> bardamu: I am oppening (my net is slow). But I already added universe repositorie to the list, uncomenting from a config file
[02:41] <bardamu> i'm stuck on a 33.6 connection; i feel your pain
[02:41] <siulca> right, I'm going to reboot and try to use irc from the console... if you guys don;t hear from me in the next couple of minutes, I've probably given up on Linux.
[02:41] <siulca> brb... hopefully!
[02:42] <thegreatone2176> can anyone help me withe the problem i posted about
[02:42] <Benbis> I'm having problems trying to install. I can't mount CD
[02:43] <Benbis> Thought it might be because I was using a DVD writer drive, so switched to a plain CD, it still says unable to mount
[02:44] <snerfu> Anyone else run into a problem where depmod segfaults while trying to update module packages? should I reinstall binutils?
[02:44] <Benbis> Anyone have suggestions on what I should do/check^
[02:44] <thegreatone2176> ok is anyone here to help
[02:45] <JDahl> Benbis, what error do you get?
[02:45] <Benbis> Unable to mount CD-ROM
[02:46] <JDahl> benbis, try mounting it from a terminal and tell us the error
[02:47] <thegreatone2176> jdahl ... http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=271327
[02:47] <thegreatone2176> can you explain more
[02:47] <thegreatone2176> on my problem
[02:48] <Benbis> OK. Thanks JDahl. Back shortly.
[02:49] <snerfu> thegreatone2176, one sec
[02:49] <thegreatone2176> k thank you
[02:50] <JDahl> thegreatone2176, I cant help you with that, sorry... other than maybe suggesting removing and purging whatever you installed - then reinstall using synaptic... then I would be surprised if it doesnt work out of the box (in Warty)
[02:51] <thegreatone2176> well i installed with the disc
[02:51] <thegreatone2176> and it gave me that error
[02:51] <snerfu> sudo perl -MCPAN -e "install XML::Parser"
[02:51] <thegreatone2176> so then is tarted replacing it
[02:51] <thegreatone2176> i did that
[02:51] <thegreatone2176> thats when i get the erro
[02:51] <thegreatone2176> it wont install
[02:51] <snerfu> hmm mine worked
[02:51] <odyssey> Hi was just wondering what the ubuntu live cd is like?
[02:51] <thegreatone2176> theres is errors in xml-parser-3.24
[02:51] <Setite> i dont think ill ever get linux
[02:52] <Setite> i think its beyond me
[02:53] <siulca> anyone there :|
[02:53] <Setite> nope
[02:53] <thegreatone2176> Expat.xs:2194: error: `cbv' undeclared (first use in this function)
[02:53] <thegreatone2176> Expat.xs:2194: error: parse error before ')' token
[02:53] <thegreatone2176> Expat.xs:2197: error: `parser' undeclared (first use in this function)
[02:53] <thegreatone2176> make[1] : *** [Expat.o]  Error 1
[02:53] <thegreatone2176> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/tgo21/.cpan/build/XML-Parser-2.34/Expat'
[02:53] <siulca> dha, help :p
[02:53] <thegreatone2176> make: *** [subdirs]  Error 2
[02:53] <JDahl> yeah.. I see you're logged in as root, so runlvl 1 must've worked
[02:53] <thegreatone2176>   /usr/bin/make  -- NOT OK
[02:53] <thegreatone2176> Running make test
[02:53] <thegreatone2176>   Can't test without successful make
[02:53] <thegreatone2176> Running make install
[02:53] <thegreatone2176>   make had returned bad status, install seems impossible
[02:53] <thegreatone2176> you see
[02:53] <thegreatone2176> i get all those errros and more
[02:53] <thegreatone2176> when i do what you just did
[02:53] <siulca> haven't tryed runlvl 1 yet
[02:54] <siulca> how can I get out of IRC and come back without disconnecting?
[02:54] <snerfu> thegreatone2176, what version does "gcc -v" give you?
[02:54] <JDahl> siulca, alt-F2 gives you a new console... switch back to this one with alt-F1
[02:55] <heero> :)
[02:55] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: why not just install the libxml-parser-perl package?
[02:55] <siulca> jdhal, will try that
[02:55] <Kamion> no need to mess about with building it yourself
[02:55] <thegreatone2176> ok ill do that kamion
[02:55] <thegreatone2176> thanks
[02:55] <Kamion> it's in the main Ubuntu distribution
[02:55] <thegreatone2176> hmm really
[02:55] <thegreatone2176> ill look on the disc
[02:55] <thegreatone2176> you know what folder?
[02:55] <Kamion> it's not on the CD
[02:56] <siulca> jdhal, er... alt+f2 does nothing... might it be because I'm in recovery mode?
[02:56] <carajean> hey whats up room
[02:56] <JDahl> siulca, you're on console mode, right?
[02:56] <Kamion> you can get it from the network with your package manager as usual
[02:56] <siulca> yeah JD
[02:56] <carajean> has anyone had a dealing with mandrake 10.1
[02:56] <thegreatone2176> package manager?
[02:56] <thegreatone2176> i just ubuntu last night
[02:57] <Kamion> synaptic, assuming that you have network repositories turned on
[02:57] <thegreatone2176> i installe synaptic
[02:57] <thegreatone2176> earlier
[02:57] <Kamion> if not, Preferences -> Repositories and check the ones for archive.ubuntu.com warty main
[02:57] <Kamion> then reload
[02:57] <JDahl> siulca, unless you screwed your keymaps, alt-F2 should definitely give you new console
[02:58] <thegreatone2176> i dont see repositories under desktop preferences
[02:58] <Kamion> no, the Preferences menu in synaptic
[02:58] <thegreatone2176> o sorry
[02:59] <Kamion> or is it Tools?
[02:59] <JDahl> siulca, is your keyboard layout correct? otherwise, close irc and run base-config to reconfigure your keyboard
[02:59] <thegreatone2176> how do i get synaptic to run
[02:59] <snerfu> ctrl+alt+f2
[02:59] <thegreatone2176> i havent been able to figure that out
[02:59] <siulca> I think it's right...
[02:59] <JDahl> siulca, as a last effort, just close irc, start "X", read the error message in /var/log/X.org.xxx and log back into irc
[03:00] <siulca> :( this is painful
[03:01] <occy> crimsun you here still ?
[03:01] <thegreatone2176> kamion how you get it to run
[03:01] <occy> md5sum's checked out ok for the iso I dl'ed
[03:02] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: Computer -> System Configuration -> Synaptic Package Manager IIRC
[03:02] <Kamion> no need to repeat yourself :)
[03:02] <thegreatone2176> ?
[03:02] <thegreatone2176> o soory
[03:02] <Kamion> right, Settings -> Repositories, sorry
[03:03] <occy> getting:  hdc: status error: error=0x00  hdc drive not ready for command
[03:03] <siulca> DH what was the command you wanted my to try? something like nvlvl 1
[03:03] <Ran> what version of firefox is the official un Ubuntu? Synaptic says  0.99 backported to 0.93
[03:04] <JDahl> siulca, if you're in linux now and have a console there's no need to start in runlvl 1.. tried CTRL-ALT-F2 to get a new console?
[03:04] <Kamion> reverted, not backported
[03:04] <Ran> yes
[03:04] <Kamion> Ran: 0.9.3 (ignoring the strange version number) in warty, 1.0 in hoary
[03:04] <occy> Now I'm getting:  WARNING **: bad di- Packages file: grep: Not a Directory
[03:05] <Ran> reverted, anyway, what does is mean?
[03:05] <occy> and that repeats over and over indefinately
[03:05] <siulca> I'm in linux in recovery mode, so no gui. alt+f2 doesn;t work.
[03:05] <JDahl> crtl-alt-f2 maybe
[03:05] <occy> I've used this same exact CD to install on another laptop.
[03:05] <crimsun> occy: yep, still here (sorry, editing a wiki page)
[03:05] <Kamion> it means we tried out the 1.0 release candidate and it had a number of regressions, so we reverted to 0.9.3.
[03:05] <occy> crimsun np bud.
[03:05] <siulca> i'm using irc from irssi.org
[03:05] <occy> this isn't an "oddball" laptop either.  Dell Inspiron 7500
[03:05] <thegreatone2176> brb gona reboot i set those boxes kamion hopefully it updates
[03:05] <Kamion> version numbers always have to increase in order for upgrades to work, which is why the version number looks the way it does
[03:06] <Ran> Kamion: regressions means bugs?
[03:06] <Kamion> yes
[03:06] <Kamion> well, specifically new bugs
[03:06] <occy> crimsun really want to get Ubuntu on it. :(
[03:06] <Crane|laptop> Hello    hello
[03:06] <Ran> Kamion: So it is just 0.9.3, not a mix.
[03:06] <JDahl> siulca, that's fine... all you need to do is to try and start "X" and read the error logs if it doesnt work... I bet you can just remove the ATI drivers using synaptic and everything will work again
[03:06] <occy> FC1 installs fine on it.
[03:06] <Kamion> Ran: correct
[03:07] <siulca> how do I start X?
[03:07] <JDahl> "X"
[03:07] <Ran> startx
[03:07] <Poprocks> hey guys I have a question -- I'd like to update to the unstable hoary -- is there a universe repo for hoary, and if so, does it have as much extra software as warty?
[03:07] <Crane|laptop> startx
[03:07] <JDahl> no, X
[03:07] <siulca> both of the above do nothing
[03:07] <liquidboy> hey, can someone help me with my video card troubles http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9443 (i posted a thread about it)
[03:07] <JDahl> close it with ctrl-alt-backspace
[03:07] <Crane|laptop> try init 5
[03:07] <Kamion> Poprocks: yes to both
[03:07] <Poprocks> Kamion, sick
[03:07] <Poprocks> thanks
[03:07] <siulca> how can I c lose X if it's not running at all?!
[03:08] <occy> siulca ctrl+alt+backspace
[03:08] <JDahl> siulca, I was telling you how to close in case it comes up
[03:08] <Crane|laptop> siulcs : if it's not running?
[03:08] <JDahl> siulca, what happens when you type X?
[03:08] <Poprocks> the wiki is awesome btw, thanks to all those who entered articles making this transition more pleasant for me :)))
[03:09] <siulca> when I type X nothing happens
[03:09] <occy> siulca type:  lspci  and see what type of video card you have.
[03:09] <JDahl> siulca, but surely you get some kind of message?
[03:09] <Crane|laptop> I'm coning in late here
[03:09] <siulca> occy I know I have an ATI 9800XT
[03:09] <Crane|laptop> did you install new drivers?
[03:10] <siulca> JD I'm sorry but I get no message... I type "X" and enter adn nothing happens...
[03:10] <siulca> could it be because I booted in recovery mode?
[03:10] <occy> siulca hmmm, You probably need to configure X
[03:10] <occy> I can't remember the commands to setup X on ubuntu
[03:11] <Poprocks> yeah, warty didn't set up X properly for me, I just made some minor changes in XF86Config-4
[03:11] <JDahl> siulca, no... that should still be fine.. dpkg-reconfigure xfree86-server or xorg-server
[03:11] <Poprocks> but you may want to upgrade to xorg, it's much more up-to-date
[03:11] <siulca> occy, it's a  long story but I'm here cause I messed up Ubuntu trying to install my card drivers
[03:11] <thegreatone2176> kamadien where would the new file be
[03:11] <occy> siulca I hear ya.  It's easy to do.
[03:12] <Poprocks> I bought a radeon 9250, the latest which is supported by dri :))
[03:12] <JDahl> siulca, do you know how to remove the ATI drivers and reinstall xfree drivers using synaptic? I think that would solve your problems
[03:12] <siulca> lol @ easy to do
[03:12] <Poprocks> siulca, did you try to install the drivers from ati's site?
[03:12] <siulca> JD I do know... but how can i do that if I can;t even load X?!!
[03:12] <occy> and going and going...
[03:12] <JDahl> synaptic is curses based
[03:13] <Poprocks> or you can just use apt-get
[03:13] <siulca> Poprocks, nop. I followed the howTo in the ubuntu site.
[03:13] <occy> is there an hoary ISO?
[03:13] <siulca> JDahl, curses based?!
[03:14] <JDahl> siulca, sorry... I meant aptitude... all this X talk made me confused
[03:14] <Ran> what is safer? Default upgrade or Smart upgrade?
[03:15] <JayeAeotiv> I've got an application that is a .tar.gz
[03:15] <JayeAeotiv> inside it are two files...
[03:15] <siulca> lol I think I just confused everybody... at the moment all I want is to be able to run X
[03:15] <JayeAeotiv> one is called bzip2 and ZendStudio-3_5_2.bin
[03:15] <JayeAeotiv> Which sets it up?  I recon the bin. right
[03:16] <thegreatone2176> Kamion
[03:16] <thegreatone2176> you left?
[03:16] <Crane|laptop> siulca: can you edit the x config file back to waht it was?
[03:16] <JDahl> siulca, what you need to do is simple... remove ATI drivers using apt-get or aptitude (which doesnt require X) and reinstall/configure xfree86-server
[03:16] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: no?
[03:16] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: if you spell my name radically wrong then it doesn't autohighlight; I didn't realise you were talking to me
[03:17] <siulca> Crane, I guess I can... will try that first.
[03:17] <thegreatone2176> o well you see i checked the boxes you said and restarted but then when i rewent it the synaptic manager and it said it could not connect ot any of em
[03:17] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: do you have working network access?
[03:17] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: and what do those lines look like?
[03:18] <occy> pushing toward 60,000 now I see.  :~(
[03:18] <thegreatone2176> it says all wheres its trying to go and no file or directory exists by that name
[03:18] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: and what do those lines look like?
[03:18] <Kamion> the ones by the boxes you checked
[03:19] <thegreatone2176> http://archive.ubuntu.com ... thats the link to em
[03:19] <thegreatone2176> but there is more
[03:19] <thegreatone2176> im in package managerr
[03:19] <thegreatone2176> and resporotories
[03:20] <Kamion> I need to see all of the line, not just the start of it
[03:21] <occy> Need to get my wife moved over to Ubuntu as well.
[03:21] <occy> She's been using RH8 for eons.
[03:21] <thegreatone2176> some are deb some are deb-src
[03:21] <occy> heh
[03:21] <thegreatone2176> and they are all checked
[03:21] <Kamion> I give up.
[03:21] <thegreatone2176> did i do something wrong?
[03:21] <liquidboy> so... can anyone help me?
[03:21] <Kamion> sorry, it's after 2am here, obviously not able to make myself clear :(
[03:21] <occy> siulca get it working?
[03:22] <thegreatone2176> Kamion i did something wrong?
[03:22] <siulca> could someone gimme the path to XF86config-4 please
[03:22] <occy> liquidboy let me read up and see if you asked a quetion.
[03:22] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: I'd suggest seeing if you can load http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ in a web browser
[03:22] <siulca> I can;t seem to find it anywhere
[03:22] <JDahl> siulca, /etc/X11/XF86config-4
[03:22] <thegreatone2176> yes i can
[03:22] <thegreatone2176> its an index
[03:22] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: when I see "I need to see all of the line", I know for a fact that there's more to it than just deb or deb-src plus http://archive.ubuntu.com; more detail is always better
[03:22] <siulca> thanks jdhal... brb
[03:22] <liquidboy> occy, the question is here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9443
[03:23] <occy> liquidboy I can read :)
[03:23] <liquidboy> :Psrry
[03:23] <occy> hmmm I used to have some problems with that too
[03:23] <thegreatone2176> kamion i can see that site in my broswer
[03:23] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: mostly you're paraphrasing error messages, which is really hard to deal with. It's much better to copy and paste error messages absolutely word-for-word (although don't paste more than a couple of lines at a time into IRC)
[03:23] <Kamion> 02:18 < thegreatone2176> it says all wheres its trying to go and no file or directory exists by that name
[03:24] <thegreatone2176> ok i will
[03:24] <thegreatone2176> one sec
[03:24] <Kamion> that's the beginning of something I could work with, but you're putting the error message into your own words rather than just quoting it, which makes life hard for us
[03:24] <Kamion> we're used to the exact text
[03:24] <siulca> :(
[03:24] <kebac> "don't irc as root"
[03:24] <thegreatone2176> Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_dists_warty_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:24] <occy> liquidboy to change the color depth, you need to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 (I think it's -4)  and change from 16 to 24bpp
[03:24] <liquidboy> ok
[03:24] <occy> siulca yeah, don't irc as root, that's a security hazzard,  Log off and adduser
[03:25] <liquidboy> but shouldnt there be a way to do it in gnome?
[03:25] <thegreatone2176> kamion i get that when i start the synaptic package manager
[03:25] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: press the Reload button?
[03:25] <JDahl> he's excused... he's in recovery mode using irc in console
[03:25] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: thanks, that was much better :)
[03:25] <Ran> I am about to make an update with synaptic, just want to know wich option is safer: Default upgrade or Smart upgrade
[03:25] <siulca> any idea why sudo pico /etc/X11/XF86config-1 brings up a balnk file?
[03:25] <occy> liquidboy heh, there should, but alas, triple yer money back if not 100% satisfied.
[03:25] <thegreatone2176> kamion thank you very m uch
[03:25] <thegreatone2176> just got 24 new files
[03:26] <occy> liquidboy that was a joke btw.
[03:26] <Crane|laptop> yes it is XF86Config-4
[03:26] <siulca> sorry I meant XF86config-4
[03:26] <thegreatone2176> now whats the name of the program i should try you said? because you said that it will do it for me
[03:26] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: you should be able to find the libxml-parser-perl package in synaptic now, and install that
[03:26] <Crane|laptop> Capital C
[03:26] <thegreatone2176> ok thank you
[03:26] <siulca> thanks for the tip Occy, but I got other worries at the moment :(
[03:26] <Crane|laptop> XF86Config
[03:26] <liquidboy> occy, yeah it took me a while, but i got it :P
[03:26] <thegreatone2176> if you need any programming help pm me im really good with that just not linux
[03:26] <occy> liquidboy cool
[03:26] <xevil> siulca yeah... the file should be /etc/X11/XFree86config-4
[03:26] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: that's a packaged-up version of XML::Parser from CPAN
[03:27] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: thanks :)
[03:27] <JDahl> siulca, you need to reinstall/configure X... do you know how without GUI?
[03:27] <liquidboy> occy, im having trouble finding the bit where it has the colour depth...
[03:27] <siulca> xevil, isn;t that what I typed?
[03:27] <Crane|laptop> siulca did you see what was said aboout irc  as root
[03:27] <occy> liquidboy sec bud, let me check
[03:27] <xevil> nope
[03:27] <liquidboy> thanks
[03:27] <siulca> JDahl, I donp't know anything anymore :'(
[03:27] <occy> look for Depth
[03:27] <occy> err liquidboy look for Depth
[03:28] <siulca> Crane, I did but I want to sort my ubuntu first.
[03:28] <xevil> actually XF86Config-4
[03:28] <liquidboy> um, i found a bunch of them
[03:28] <liquidboy> some of them say 16, 8, 4 , 24 etc
[03:28] <Crane|laptop> siulca: cool just checking
[03:28] <nomasteryoda> lol
[03:28] <occy> liquidboy right, look for Default Depth
[03:28] <nomasteryoda> occy, yes they should
[03:28] <occy> hmmm
[03:28] <occy> liquidboy yeah.... look for Default Depth
[03:28] <siulca> why is it that when you try to solve one problem in linux a hundred more come up... and for every step forward you walk 10 backwards!!!
[03:29] <liquidboy> ah eyp i think ive found it
[03:29] <Crane|laptop> Siulca: are you on ubuntu right now without X
[03:29] <kebac> siulca: try netbsd
[03:29] <siulca> Crane, yes that's right
[03:29] <occy> siulca Windows is even worse :)
[03:29] <liquidboy> do i need to completely restart once ive edited this ? or jsut log out of gnome and log back in again?
[03:29] <nomasteryoda> siulca, once you get past that 11th step, you are way beyond windows..
[03:29] <Crane|laptop> you shouldn't have to logg out to try things
[03:29] <occy> I've never had good experiences with doing things under any Operating System.
[03:29] <siulca> occy, I know that's why I haven;t given up yet
[03:29] <Crane|laptop> just hit f2 for a new window
[03:29] <occy> all Operating systems suck.    I think I just need to remove the reverence to them in the XF86config file. If only I could edit it!
[03:31] <kebac> meltbanana314: just give me that
[03:31] <occy> nomasteryoda still get no love when trying to install ubuntu on my DELL Inspriron 7400
[03:31] <occy> nomasteryoda :(
[03:31] <Crane|laptop> nice server material
[03:32] <nomasteryoda> Dell really sucks
[03:32] <kebac> yeah i guess you could run irssi with it
[03:32] <nomasteryoda> laptop wise at least
[03:32] <occy> nomasteryoda I've enjoyed it under Fedora
[03:32] <occy> nomasteryoda mostly
[03:32] <JDahl> siulca, you could try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[03:32] <nomasteryoda> i still have not powermanagement for this nice speed daemon
[03:32] <meltbanana314> thats what i was planning to do with it - but i have to dick around too much with linux to get anything to work
[03:32] <occy> dag just being one man, can't package as much cool stuff as debia^WUbuntu can.
[03:32] <Crane|laptop> nomasteryoda: thats a laptop
[03:33] <liquidboy> hmm, i dont know if it worked or not, i still get hte 'lines' in the default ubuntu background
[03:33] <occy> liquidboy try this....
[03:33] <siulca> brb
[03:33] <occy> liquidboy hmmm, I would really do some searching on the net about your card.  What model is it again?
[03:33] <nomasteryoda> occy, i'm trying an install to removable media while inside suse
[03:33] <occy> liquidboy I'd google for the model of the card + linux
[03:33] <liquidboy> s3 pro savage ddr
[03:34] <occy> liquidboy you can google as good as I can... but let me check. :)
[03:34] <macewan> damn python is nice
[03:34] <nomasteryoda> liquidboy, that would be an Nvidia chipset
[03:34] <macewan> pygtk that is
[03:34] <Crane|laptop> liquidboy just go to http://www.google.com/linux and search
[03:35] <occy> Crane|laptop I always forget about that
[03:35] <nomasteryoda> i just set it as my home page =)
[03:36] <Crane|laptop> That was my homepage when I first started linux
[03:36] <occy> w00p, hoary finished
[03:36] <nomasteryoda> sweet
[03:36] <liquidboy> k
[03:36] <nomasteryoda> occy, bt or dl
[03:37] <liquidboy> nomasteryoda: is it beinga Nvidia chipset a problem?
[03:37] <nomasteryoda> nope
[03:37] <tiago> hi all, anybody knows a good rss reader?
[03:37] <Telep> Liferea
[03:37] <nomasteryoda> yea
[03:37] <nomasteryoda> that is good
[03:37] <occy> nomasteryoda what's that?
[03:37] <nomasteryoda> oh, which download type for hoary
[03:37] <nomasteryoda> bittorrent or standard download
[03:38] <occy> liquidboy man, I'll be honest, video cards under Linux can be a PITA.
[03:38] <liquidboy> hehe
[03:38] <occy> I've been using linux since 96'
[03:38] <liquidboy> i hear ya
[03:38] <occy> and That's the scariest part of getting a distro working.
[03:38] <occy> without X, you are stuck in console, and who (besides some super geek) wants to do that? :)
[03:38] <Setite> ati being at the top of the PITA heap
[03:38] <liquidboy> the thing is i'v ehad the same problem in beos, and one of the guyes there thought there was something wrong with my card...
[03:39] <thegreatone2176> hmmm kamion i dont see it in the new packages
[03:39] <thegreatone2176> and i got 24 new ones
[03:39] <thegreatone2176> but i found it on google
[03:39] <occy> liquidboy sounds as if that card has some driver issues... ATI that is.
[03:39] <thegreatone2176> but cant seem to find out how to installit
[03:39] <nomasteryoda> is it a desktop? i came in late on the discussion
[03:39] <occy> liquidboy how hard(just a suggestion) would it be to get another video card?
[03:39] <occy> Course, these days, I wouldn't even know what to suggest.
[03:39] <liquidboy> hmm, not too hard, but ti's not *that* annoying
[03:39] <thegreatone2176> kamion
[03:40] <occy> I wouldn't recommend any nvidia cards... (though that's what I have)
[03:40] <nomasteryoda> liquidboy, get an nvidia if you want nice 3d support
[03:40] <nomasteryoda> lol
[03:40] <nomasteryoda> i love them
[03:40] <occy> *shiver*
[03:40] <liquidboy> the other thing i wanted to know  is how do i make it that when i shif the windows, the contents of the window doesnt show.. can this be done?
[03:40] <occy> I can't stand the hoops you have to jump through, and why can't the damned software be open source?  You BOUGHT the hardware.
[03:40] <nomasteryoda> always work best for 3d ... at least once you get past the driver instlall .. and ubuntu kinda makes that easier
[03:40] <nomasteryoda> yea
[03:40] <nomasteryoda> true
[03:40] <Poprocks> man this no root account is getting annoying
[03:41] <occy> Poprocks sudo su -
[03:41] <occy> Poprocks how hard is that?
[03:41] <occy> heh
[03:41] <Poprocks> well
[03:41] <crimsun> occy: thankfully it's transparent under Ubuntu
[03:41] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: try 'apt-cache show libxml-parser-perl' from a terminal, see if it shows up
[03:41] <crimsun> Poprocks: sudo -s
[03:41] <Deft> liquidboy, gconf key: apps, metacity, general, reduced resources
[03:41] <Poprocks> I would like to use the CUPS webmin tool
[03:41] <nomasteryoda> liquidboy, on the current one?
[03:41] <occy> crimsun yah, very nice under Ubuntu.
[03:41] <thegreatone2176> k
[03:41] <Poprocks> root from a terminal is fine
[03:41] <occy> crimsun burning Hoary atm.
[03:41] <liquidboy> yeah
[03:41] <macewan> Telep: try liferea-mozilla with it
[03:41] <crimsun> occy: g'luck
[03:41] <Poprocks> brb
[03:42] <occy> crimsun heh
[03:42] <occy> tx
[03:42] <crimsun> occy: I'm out for 1.5 hours, but I'll be back. Feel free to ping me then if you're still awake.
[03:42] <occy> crimsun later bud. ;)
[03:42] <thegreatone2176> tgo21@tgo:~ $ apt-cache show libxml-parser-perl
[03:42] <thegreatone2176> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_unbuntu_dists_warty_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:42] <thegreatone2176> W: Unable to locate package libxml-parser-perl
[03:42] <thegreatone2176> E: No packages found
[03:42] <thegreatone2176> thats waht it said kamion
[03:43] <occy> liquidboy still no love?
[03:43] <occy> liquidboy you googling?
[03:43] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: notice "unbuntu" rather than "ubuntu" in what you pasted there ...
[03:43] <liquidboy> occy: yep
[03:43] <occy> liquidboy I didn't see any answers jump out at me.
[03:43] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: check that you've got it right in all the repository lines in synaptic
[03:43] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: then reload again
[03:43] <liquidboy> ppl with problems , but none like mine...
[03:43] <thegreatone2176> k
[03:43] <occy> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCards
[03:43] <occy> liquidboy look at that
[03:43] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: also make *sure* that you have http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main, not just universe
[03:44] <liquidboy> looking...
[03:44] <occy> liquidboy bottom of that page.
[03:45] <liquidboy> yep
[03:45] <occy> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2111
[03:45] <liquidboy> ive clicked al lthe links...
[03:45] <occy> there is at least some comfort knowing you aren't alone. :)
[03:45] <liquidboy> i'm a bit lost
[03:45] <occy> see the bug I posted?
[03:46] <occy> sounds like some people are having issues with refresh rates as youare
[03:46] <liquidboy> you mean "Bugzilla Bug 2111
[03:46] <liquidboy> 	  	ProSavage-DDR not correctly configured in all systems"
[03:46] <occy> yeah
[03:46] <occy> hoary is done burning!
[03:46] <phyberoptix> ?
[03:46] <nomasteryoda> occy, url?
[03:46] <occy> nomasteryoda huh?
[03:46] <nomasteryoda> hoary url
[03:47] <occy> oh
[03:47] <gpled> how do you get a bad print job out of que?
[03:47] <occy> wiki!
[03:47] <liquidboy> occy: my "lag" problem = problem with a refresh rate?
[03:47] <occy> :)
[03:47] <nomasteryoda> si
[03:47] <thegreatone2176> kamion make them all main?
[03:47] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: just make sure main is there *as well*
[03:47] <occy> here we go
[03:47] <Kamion> you can't just enable universe on its own
[03:47] <liquidboy> is there a fix for it anywhere on that page?
[03:48] <occy> w00p
[03:48] <occy> hoary is getting further than warty
[03:48] <occy> heh
[03:48] <Kamion> that's a bit like eating the rind of the orange and throwing away the juicy bits in the centre. :)
[03:48] <occy> http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/daily/current/
[03:48] <thegreatone2176> its there!!
[03:48] <thegreatone2176> tahnks
[03:48] <Kamion> occy: you obviously got a lucky day. :)
[03:48] <occy> nomasteryoda --^
[03:49] <occy> Kamion hah, I've not installed it yet.
[03:49] <nomasteryoda> thks
[03:49] <thegreatone2176> so kamion last question...
[03:49] <Kamion> I take it doko's fix to python2.4-minimal finally worked then
[03:49] <thegreatone2176> how do i installi t ... i clicked mark for installion
[03:49] <thegreatone2176> but when does it install
[03:49] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: press Apply
[03:49] <liquidboy> so just to get things straight... my lag problems are problems with the refresh rate?
[03:49] <nomasteryoda> nice fast dl speed
[03:50] <occy> nomasteryoda oh yeah, super sweet speed
[03:50] <nomasteryoda> 400kb
[03:50] <daniels> liquidboy: what problem are you having, exactly?
[03:50] <thegreatone2176> k thanks
[03:51] <liquidboy> daniels: when i drag windows around, they kind of 'lag' (as if my compuer is *Very* slow)
[03:52] <regeya> occy: iwillfollow.org
[03:52] <usual> is there a way to get gstreamer to play dvd's in hoary?
[03:53] <occy> regeya heh, /me checks
[03:53] <regeya> o/~ if you walk away walk away a walk away walk away I will follow o/~
[03:53] <occy> regeya heh, an IIS error page
[03:54] <regeya> d'oh.
[03:54] <occy> regeya that your site?
[03:54] <occy> regeya http://theinterference.com/  <-- Some U2 covers there done by my band. ;)
[03:54] <occy> http://theinterference.com/music/mp3/shadow_sessions1/ti-covertune-until_the_end_of_the_world.mp3
[03:55] <occy> triple your money back if not 100% satisfied.[tm]
[03:55] <daniels> liquidboy: that's probably your window manager sucking.  what sort of video card do you have?
[03:55] <regeya> occy: nope
[03:55] <regeya> I just chose that for giggles
[03:55] <occy> :(
[03:55] <liquidboy> daniels: s3 pro savage ddr
[03:55] <occy> Debootstrap Error
[03:55] <occy> *sigh*
[03:55] <daniels> mmm, probably just the window manager then
[03:56] <occy> triple my money back if I'm not 100% satisfied....
[03:56] <liquidboy> daniels: it happens no matter which wm i use
[03:56] <occy> heh
[03:56] <liquidboy> ive used blackbox / flux box xfce...
[03:56] <siulca> finally I got X to work.
[03:56] <daniels> liquidboy: very, very, very few window managers are written right.  metacity, and *some* parts of kwin, are the only ones that come close to even being halfway sensible.
[03:56] <regeya> occy: Registrant Name:New Life Christian Fellowship
[03:56] <nomasteryoda> liquidboy, do you live near a computer store?
[03:57] <liquidboy> kind of
[03:57] <daniels> liquidboy: (the problem is that xlib, the standard x client library, buffers requests, so you say MOVE! MOVE! MOVE!, and it only syncs at the third move, so you get nice lagging and tearing.)
[03:57] <liquidboy> oh right
[03:57] <siulca> how do I reload fstab to reflect the latest changes?
[03:57] <liquidboy> so it's not my hardware?
[03:57] <occy> hey.... what hdparm params should I use?
[03:57] <occy> on the cdrom?
[03:57] <Kamion> uh ... it asked you?
[03:58] <Kamion> are you in expert mode or something?
[03:58] <daniels> liquidboy: probably not, no.  i strongly suggest metacity.
[03:58] <occy> Kamion heh, trying to check the disc and it asked me.
[03:58] <BrettMeister> ....a total noob at linux.
[03:58] <BrettMeister> Help?
[03:58] <siulca> anyone knows how do I reload fstab to reflect the latest changes? :|
[03:58] <Kamion> occy: it's obviously dropped to a stupidly low debconf priority.
[03:58] <Kamion> occy: it's more likely that the current daily simply doesn't work; that's the hazard of dailies
[03:58] <JDahl> siulca, I think you need to manually remount stuff. got X working?
[03:59] <siulca> JD yeah I'm in X.
[03:59] <liquidboy> metacity's already installed, how can i get into it from the log in?
[03:59] <occy> Kamion Triple my money back if I'm not....
[03:59] <occy> heh
[03:59] <Kamion> array cd 2 should work fine
[03:59] <occy> hmmm
[03:59] <daniels> liquidboy: just start standard gnome and that's what you get
[03:59] <occy> well fiddlesticks
[03:59] <liquidboy> oh, well then im running metacity already
[04:00] <siulca> I edited fstab to mount a music partition (so that I have something to listen to while I sort some ubuntu problems)
[04:00] <occy> it was kind enough to get the partitioner working this time. :)
[04:00] <BrettMeister> Just installed on another computer.  Have Gnome up.  But can't find where a dialer is to get to my ISP.
[04:00] <siulca> I saved the changes now I just need to load the changed fstab.
[04:01] <liquidboy> surely then it must be my hardware... the same thing happened in beos aswell...
[04:01] <occy> Kamion any thing I could pass at it at boot time?
[04:01] <Kamion> occy: no idea because I don't know what's wrong. I doubt it though.
[04:01] <Kamion> occy: look in /var/log/messages after debootstrap fails
[04:02] <Kamion> occy: I have to say that relying on a current daily when you need your computer to work is very silly. :-)
[04:02] <occy> Kamion well... 1.0 won't install
[04:02] <occy> FC1 will.
[04:02] <Kamion> 1.0?
[04:02] <occy> warty
[04:02] <occy> whatever that is.
[04:02] <occy> heh
[04:02] <Kamion> Ubuntu does not have a version 1.0. Warty is 4.10.
[04:02] <Kamion> what breaks with warty?
[04:03] <occy> Kamion sec.
[04:03] <BrettMeister> What if the aptitude showed that some packages did not install when I was doing the initial Warty install?
[04:03] <Kamion> BrettMeister: a surprising bug which shouldn't've happened with a final release
[04:04] <Kamion> BrettMeister: unless you ran out of disk space
[04:04] <occy> not a big enough buffer heh
[04:04] <BrettMeister> I'm not sure how that could have happened with a 60 gig.
[04:04] <Kamion> quite
[04:05] <Kamion> well, tell aptitude to install the ubuntu-desktop task again and see what happens
[04:05] <Kamion> the full log is in /var/log/base-config*
[04:05] <BrettMeister> I downloaded and burned it myself.  Soundl like an initial prob there?
[04:05] <Kamion> I hope you checked the md5sum
[04:05] <occy> yeah I did
[04:05] <occy> and it came out fine
[04:05] <regeya> I think mauve has more RAM.
[04:05] <Kamion> occy: I was talking to BrettMeister
[04:05] <occy> oh
[04:06] <Kamion> occy: "not a big enough buffer"; was that directed at me, and if so could I have more context please?
[04:06] <occy> Dec 28 22:04:50 (none) user.info anna[4330] : Warning **: bad d-i Packages file grep: /cdrom/dist/stable/Release : Not a dirctory
[04:06] <occy> Kamion I get that over and over and over....
[04:06] <BrettMeister> I thought I did, but maybe I didn't do that right either.  First, how do I get from the Gnome desktop back to where I can try to re-install.  I spent some time in aptitude and tried to re-install just to get more of the same message that there was a problem with installing some of the packages.
[04:07] <Kamion> occy: probably DMA problems on the disk
[04:07] <Kamion> CD drive, rather
[04:07] <occy> Kamion :/  Why would FC1 install fine from it?
[04:08] <Kamion> BrettMeister: try just 'aptitude install ~tubuntu-desktop' from the command line, and pay attention to the output
[04:08] <liquidboy> daniels: you know how you were saying about hte xlib and how when i move it sincs it slower... is there any way to speed that up?
[04:08] <Kamion> occy: there was a problem with our kernel configuration in warty; the bit that disabled DMA on CD drives was accidentally dropped
[04:08] <Kamion> it's fixed in hoary
[04:08] <daniels> liquidboy: not without some significant code hacking in metacity and blcak magic, i'm afraid
[04:08] <liquidboy> awe :(
[04:08] <occy> Kamion yeah... it worked fine... up until it got to the daily bug :)
[04:09] <occy> with hoary that is.
[04:09] <liquidboy> is it that my video card is difficult t ocode for?
[04:09] <occy> Kamion any way to manually get around that?
[04:09] <liquidboy> the thing is that ive tried this exact same computer with peanut linux without any of these problems
[04:09] <Kamion> occy: yes, if only I can remember it
[04:09] <daniels> liquidboy: no, it's a long-standing problem with xlib
[04:09] <occy> Kamion k bud...
[04:09] <daniels> liquidboy: well, it could be that acceleration is disabled, but i'd be surprised
[04:09] <liquidboy> i might aswell check that... (and tuxracer was VERY slow) where could i check that?
[04:10] <daniels> /var/log/XFree86.0.log (/var/log/Xorg.0.log if using hoary)
[04:11] <liquidboy> ubuntu 4.10 - sao thats warty eh?
[04:11] <daniels> yeah
[04:11] <BrettMeister> Thanks for the help anyway folks.  I guess untill I get better at this I'll have to install a distro with more detailed support and reliable install disks.
[04:11] <Crane|laptop> can  the live cd save files(config) to a usb drive?
[04:11] <liquidboy> daniels:  what section / text am i looking for?
[04:12] <daniels> liquidboy: anything related to acceleration, really
[04:12] <liquidboy> oh right
[04:12] <liquidboy> it's a long file :P
[04:12] <daniels> liquidboy: the savage is an uncommon chipset, so i can't remember what it puts out off the top of my head, sorry
[04:12] <daniels> liquidboy: and that's at low verbosity, too
[04:12] <occy> searching for DMA and warty in bugzilla doesn't return anything.
[04:13] <nomasteryoda> occ
[04:13] <occy> nomasteryod
[04:13] <nomasteryoda> hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[04:13] <nomasteryoda> if that is your cd drive that is
[04:13] <Crane|laptop> any one playing doom3 under ubuntu?
[04:13] <nomasteryoda> i use hdparm in my boot.local on suse
[04:13] <nomasteryoda> for hd and cd
[04:13] <nomasteryoda> much better performance
[04:14] <Kamion> there's a kernel boot parameter, I'm looking for it. warty is unlikely to be a useful search term.
[04:14] <occy> Kamion okies.  thanks
[04:14] <occy> Kamion gonna put it on my blog so I can remember it in the future once you find it ;)
[04:14] <liquidboy> daniels: i found this line (II) SAVAGE(0): Using XFree86 Acceleration Architecture (XAA)
[04:15] <occy> Kamion and of course, I'll need a homepage URL if you have one so I can properly credit you for the tip.
[04:15] <Kamion> occy: echo "using_dma:0" > /proc/ide/hdc/settings
[04:15] <Kamion> occy: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2640
[04:16] <liquidboy> this is probably above my head
[04:16] <phyberoptix> type /exec -r man man
[04:16] <phyberoptix> lol
[04:16] <occy> Kamion do that at the boot param?
[04:16] <liquidboy> maybe i should get a computer geek to come and help me
[04:16] <nomasteryoda> liquidboy, a linux geek
[04:16] <nomasteryoda> the only kind
[04:16] <nomasteryoda> =)
[04:16] <liquidboy> :Pyeah
[04:17] <liquidboy> i know one you see...
[04:17] <nomasteryoda> cool
[04:17] <liquidboy> actually i know a few
[04:17] <liquidboy> but one that's acutually here (in dunedin)
[04:17] <occy> nm
[04:17] <orbitalbears> hello all - quick question - i was having problems with the install on an old laptop, so can i install from the live cd?
[04:18] <Kamion> occy: no, at the shell in alt-f2
[04:18] <Kamion> s/in/on/
[04:18] <occy> Kamion yah, I rtfa'ed
[04:19] <Kamion> fairly early, basically as soon as it exists
[04:19] <occy> err.... rtfURL'ed
[04:19] <occy> or something ;)
[04:20] <liquidboy> hehe, ive got another question about sound. when ubuntu loads the log in screen, it makes the clunky noise (Kind of) how do i make that quieter, so i can have my headphones plugged in (its too loud for them, and im scared it'll damage them)
[04:21] <kebac> do a script that sets the mixer levels to 0 for sometime after boot
[04:22] <jeffreyb> What do most use to burn cds using Ubuntu?
[04:22] <tabmoW> you guys reckon it is worth it putting ubuntu x86 version on a PII 233 - 64mbram - 4gb hdd laptop ?
[04:22] <scoon> jeffreyb, cdrecord
[04:22] <briareus> hello all
[04:22] <jeffreyb> I realize that... GUI please. ;P
[04:23] <nomasteryoda> nautilus?
[04:23] <briareus> just completed ubuntu install, trying to start sshd service, how do i do that?
[04:23] <scoon> jeffreyb, sorry.  that's what i use.
[04:23] <scoon> jeffreyb, maybe try xcdroast.
[04:24] <scoon> jeffreyb, most of those are just gui layers on top of cdrecord.
[04:24] <occy> Kamion did you know of any work-around with the warty cd?
[04:24] <occy> Kamion it's now giving:  Failed to copy file from CDROM. Retry?
[04:24] <jeffreyb> Cool. I like K3B alot but was wondering if the Gnome world had something similar
[04:25] <nomasteryoda> jeffreyb, nothing as nice
[04:25] <scoon> jeffreyb, i guess xcdroast would be the closeset thing to that.
[04:25] <Kamion> occy: I was under the impression that what I said above was a workaround, but I have never seen this error myself so I cannot be sure.
[04:25] <Kamion> briareus: install the openssh-server package
[04:25] <occy> no worries, you did try...
[04:25] <occy> thanks bunches
[04:25] <occy> *yawn*  I now need sleep it seems.
[04:25] <briareus> Kamion, i did, its installing, will it start it as well?
[04:26] <Kamion> briareus: yes
[04:26] <occy> Debating if I should get up and swim or sleep in.
[04:26] <occy> anyhoo... thanks guys for the help.  bbl
[04:26] <lukins> tabmow have you tried beatrix livecd, ubuntu for pentiums with 64mb
[04:27] <briareus> Kamion, thanks, but in general, in debian/ubuntu, how does one start a service?
[04:27] <tabmoW> lukins: i don't want a livecd though... i want a proper install
[04:27] <lukins> tabmoW, it has an installer
[04:27] <briareus> tabmoW, hehe whats up
[04:28] <tabmoW> ;oP
[04:28] <Kamion> briareus: one installs the package in question
[04:28] <tabmoW> lukins: well ubuntu just came in the mail so i was going to put that on... you would advise against it?
[04:28] <Kamion> briareus: after installation, '/etc/init.d/<service> start' and stop
[04:28] <lukins> tabmoW, no try it out and see if you like it, but definitely check out beatrix
[04:28] <briareus> ok thats sort of what i thought, thanks Kamion
[04:28] <Kamion> by convention packages start any services they install, though
[04:29] <briareus> its been months since i ran debian
[04:30] <liquidboy> kebac: um, i don't really know how to do a script... i'm a bit of a noob
[04:30] <kebac> liquidboy: neither do i... :)
[04:30] <liquidboy> :P
[04:31] <kebac> liquidboy: i only heard that someone used a script to prevent loud pops during boot
[04:31] <briareus> apt-get dist upgrade  <--whats wrong with that
[04:31] <kebac> shouldnt be too difficult to create a script that simple
[04:32] <liquidboy> but what do i write?
[04:32] <kebac> liquidboy: search google for "linux scripting" or similar
[04:33] <mcgood> liquidboy: look for files with .sh extension on your PC
[04:33] <briareus> what will a apt-get dist-upgrade do to ubuntu?
[04:34] <briareus> any thoughts?
[04:34] <ubuntu> ubuntu really is nifty, Gnome has come a long way, this is my first irc chat with my fresh install of Ubuntu!
[04:35] <mcgood> briareus: it will update the version to the latest on the server
[04:35] <briareus> mcgood, ok cool, it just wont go from say warty to whatever unless i change my apt repositories right?
[04:35] <nomasteryoda> ubuntu, congrats
[04:36] <ubuntu> it's really beautiful chaps
[04:36] <mcgood> briareus: that's right
[04:37] <ubuntu> anyway bye for now
[04:37] <nomasteryoda> boy, that was quick
[04:37] <briareus> mcgood, "mplayer-k6: Depends: libartsc0 (>= 1.3.1) but 1.2.3-1 is to be installed" that means i need to apt-get update right?
[04:37] <nomasteryoda> nice hello.goodbye
[04:37] <siulca> I isntalled the mp3 package but can;t hear any sound... can anyone help?
[04:37] <nomasteryoda> siulca, do you have the bootup sounds?
[04:38] <nomasteryoda> or start sounds?
[04:38] <briareus> siulca, alot of audio apps in linux install muted by default to protect speakers, try aumix or something or alsamixer to raise levels
[04:38] <siulca> er... didn't notice!
[04:38] <mcgood> briareus: is mplayer in universe?
[04:38] <briareus> mcgood, no idea
[04:39] <briareus> well hello lilubu
[04:39] <lilubu> hi briareus nice to meet you
[04:39] <briareus> mcgood, actually it was lilubu here that has that error
[04:39] <rm6990> I'm just wondering if anyone else has been experiencing complete system lockups with Ubuntu. Like Ctrl+alt+F2 won't work, nothing. I have to reboot with Ubuntu more often than I did with Windows
[04:39] <gpled> is their a package that will install flash? or do i have to do in by hand?
[04:40] <briareus> gpled, when i run firefox i can install it from within fluxbox running
[04:40] <rm6990> gpled: download the latest firefox from mozilla.org, it does it automaticially after u come to a site that needs it
[04:40] <JDahl> rm6990, that's bad... I had problems with powersafe on a laptop running debian/unstable but nothing on ubuntu
[04:40] <gpled> using mozilla :(
[04:41] <siulca> it's not the volume level, I just checked.
[04:41] <gpled> but i like mozilla :)
[04:41] <rm6990> it just started the last couple days
[04:41] <mcgood> gpled: firefox has tabbed browsing, it's cool
[04:41] <siulca> in rythmbox it doesn't play any music just keeps skipping to the next track.
[04:41] <rm6990> gpled: download the latest mozilla from mozilla.org and then run the flash installer from macromedia.com mcgood: so does mozilla
[04:42] <JDahl> rm6990, does it happen while you use it, or could it be a problem with powersave/hibernation for you also?
[04:43] <rm6990> while i use it, i was reading a website and had xmms open on a computer with a 1.8 GHz processor and 512 MB of RAM...and it locked up, it almost never happens when the computer is doing nothing or under heavy loads
[04:43] <JDahl> custom build kernel?
[04:44] <rm6990> nope, <IP_ADDRESS>-4-686...the updated security one from ubuntu
[04:45] <JDahl> rm6990, something else that cause troubles in ACPI on some chipsets, you could try to add acpi=off to the grub boot command
[04:46] <rm6990> would that cause problems if it wasnt hibernating though, like i had almost continuously been moving the mouse at least once a minute for the last 20 minutes when it happened
[04:46] <liquidboy> thanks for the help guyes...
[04:46] <liquidboy> later.
[04:47] <briareus> rm6990, still, booting without the acpi might help
[04:47] <rm6990> alright, ill try....will i have to add the option everytime i install a new kernel?
[04:47] <JDahl> yes
[04:47] <briareus> and had i seen the opportunity, i would have just now installed with noapic nolapic acpi=off
[04:48] <briareus> i was a little unsettled by the fact that the ubuntu install prompted me for nothing but a username and password, i usually install a rather thin operating system, this install just took me three hours
[04:50] <rm6990> should i turn apm off too?
[04:50] <rm6990> like apm=off
[04:51] <JDahl> I dont think so.. isnt apm a service?
[04:51] <JDahl> /etc/init.d/apmd
[04:51] <rm6990> lol...never mind then
[04:51] <briareus> and Im a little surprised that the apps i am used to urpmi'ing arent even in the apt-get repositories, where can i find apt-get repositories that have more packages?
[04:52] <JDahl> briareus, did you include multiverse?
[04:52] <rm6990> uncomment out the universe repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list and you can then copy and paste those 2 lines again into the file and change the words universe to multiverse
[04:52] <briareus> JDahl, all i have done is install, apt-get dist-upgrade, at this point
[04:52] <Poprocks> hey -- can anyone tell me how I can change what modules get loaded upon boot so I can switch from oss to alsa?  I checked /etc/modules but the oss modules aren't listed there so maybe something else is loading them?  any suggestions!
[04:52] <briareus> ok rm6990
[04:53] <rm6990> that way you would have 2 universe lines and 2 multiverse lines (i worded it a little confusingly)
[04:53] <briareus> i got you :)
[04:53] <rm6990> anyways, im going to reboot to test that out, thx JDahl
[04:57] <briareus> even in multiverse/universe, no such animal as ethereal. thats just crazy to me
[04:57] <nomasteryoda> certainly is
[04:57] <nomasteryoda> ethereal is sweet
[04:58] <briareus> as is rkhunter
[04:58] <briareus> i mean i can build them, but I am surprised they arent in the repo
[05:00] <Poprocks> actually ya know what?  oss works fine.. so why change
[05:01] <regeya> actually ya know what?  so does alsa these days.  just not on some older cards, afaik.
[05:02] <Kamion> briareus: uh ...
[05:02] <Kamion>   ethereal | 0.10.4-3ubuntu1 | warty/universe | amd64, i386, powerpc, source
[05:02] <Kamion> it's right there
[05:02] <Kamion> briareus: perhaps you didn't press Reload?
[05:02] <briareus> well for me it just says
[05:02] <briareus> hmm this time it worked, what the hell
[05:02] <briareus> it said before cannot stat package so and so
[05:02] <regeya> hmm.
[05:03] <briareus> thats ok, as long as it works
[05:03] <daniels> briareus: er, that means you need to do apt-get update, or fix your typo.
[05:03] <Kamion> briareus: definitely means you didn't press Reload the first time
[05:03] <briareus> reload?
[05:04] <siulca> does anyone know why I can listem to music on totem but not rhythmbox?!!
[05:04] <briareus> i dont know what you mean
[05:04] <broodster> hey
[05:04] <broodster> i need help installing a java based game
[05:04] <Kamion> there's a big reload button in synaptic; if you're not using synaptic, 'apt-get update' as daniels said
[05:04] <Poprocks> regeya: I've used alsa almost exclusively in my linux career
[05:04] <broodster> i can't seem to get it to work
[05:04] <broodster> can someone help me out?
[05:04] <rm6990> JDahl: the acpi=off prevented it from booting....i dont know why i didnt think of this but i get errors on every boot about the modules PCIEHP and SHPCHP not loading
[05:04] <briareus> ah thats why, i hardly use gui for such stuff
[05:04] <Poprocks> regeya: but for now, oss works fine so I'm not going to fix it if it ain't broke
[05:05] <rm6990> these modprobe errors happen on 3 different comps running ubuntu
[05:05] <regeya> hm.
[05:06] <orbitalbears> anyone know if you can install ubuntu from the live cd they offer?
[05:07] <rm6990> JDahl: is it safe to make the files it is trying to load non-executable?
[05:07] <broodster> can someone help me?
[05:07] <broodster> i'm having trouble installing a java based game
[05:08] <JDahl> rm6990, I wouldn't know... but that's a strange problem - acpi=off should be safe
[05:08] <rm6990> broodster: do you have java installed, you might have to get it from java.com, download the self extracting file (not the RPM)...execute it in your home directory as root, change the name of the folder it creates to java, then place that folder in /usr/local (the new java folder should be /usr/local/java) then issue the command at your shell (as regular user)
[05:08] <rm6990> echo "export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/java/bin"
[05:09] <rm6990> sorry, that wont work!
[05:09] <rm6990> echo "export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/java/bin" > .bashrc
[05:09] <rm6990> and you have to be in ur home folder to do this
[05:09] <briareus> i thought >> appends while > overwrites
[05:10] <rm6990> JDahl: lol, how do i get into system recovery mode from the install cd should this turn out to not work?
[05:10] <rm6990> to make the files executable again?
[05:10] <broodster> ive installed the java runtime enviroment
[05:10] <broodster> that's all i need right?
[05:11] <rm6990> broodster: did u issue that command i gave to add the java binaries to your path?
[05:11] <JDahl> rm6990, boot to runlvl 1 should still work
[05:11] <JDahl> rm6990, I havent used the live CD
[05:11] <rm6990> JDahl: use the recovery option at the grub screen in other words?
[05:12] <JDahl> rm6990, is that runlvl 1? I never knew what it did... it just do what I always did
[05:12] <broodster> ok
[05:12] <broodster> wait
[05:12] <broodster> rm6990
[05:12] <broodster> can i send u the installer
[05:12] <rm6990> broodster: the path i gave has to point to ur binaries
[05:12] <broodster> that
[05:12] <broodster> they sent me
[05:12] <rm6990> like where u put them
[05:12] <broodster> so u know more about what im talking about
[05:12] <rm6990> broodster: what game is it?
[05:12] <broodster> war of conquest
[05:12] <siimo> has anyone installed hoary using the mini.iso?
[05:13] <siimo> its only like 5mb
[05:13] <rm6990> broodster: how big is it (thx to my little brothers virus infested windows computer...i am pushing my bandwidth limit for the month)
[05:13] <siulca> can anyone help me with rhythmbox?
[05:13] <broodster> lol
[05:13] <broodster> wth
[05:13] <broodster> 6.8 mb
[05:13] <siimo> what
[05:14] <rm6990> alright...yeah, u can send it to me...how r u going to send it?
[05:14] <broodster> sorry about that
[05:14] <broodster> sending
[05:15] <rm6990> i clicked accept, why is it just sitting there...the window wont come out from ontop of my xchat window
[05:15] <broodster> hmm
[05:15] <_|Imanewbie|_> Hail fols
[05:15] <_|Imanewbie|_> folks
[05:15] <rm6990> JDahl: I'm going to try what i was going to do, ill let you know
[05:15] <Kamion> broodster: yeah, the command rm6990 gave you *definitely* should have been >> .bashrc, not > .bashrc
[05:15] <_|Imanewbie|_> any news about cds shipments?
[05:16] <broodster> wait
[05:16] <broodster> ill give u the exact link
[05:16] <rm6990> alright, yeah, it aint coming through
[05:16] <broodster> http://www.play-free-online-games.com/woc/woc_install.zip
[05:18] <rm6990> broodster: give me a couple of minutes to look at it
[05:18] <broodster> alright
[05:18] <broodster> ok
[05:18] <broodster> its for mac and linux
[05:19] <rm6990> it has a .exe file in the .zip file....r u sure u didnt click the wrong link, or maybe it is for all three
[05:19] <broodster> im sure
[05:19] <rm6990> anyone know how to start a .jar file with java?
[05:20] <rm6990> i tried java filename.jar and it didnt work
[05:20] <broodster> http://warofconquest.com/download.php
[05:20] <crimsun> rm6990: java -jar filename.jar
[05:20] <broodster> that's where i downloaded it
[05:20] <rm6990> crimsun: i knew i was doing something wrong...thank you!
[05:20] <crimsun> rm6990: np
[05:20] <Poprocks> I'm having some trouble with my smbclient on ubuntu .. my server works fine though
[05:21] <Poprocks> I can't browse any smb shares with nautilus
[05:21] <Poprocks> anyone else having similar problems?
[05:21] <rm6990> broodster: i just had the game running using the above command, do me a favour, open a terminal and type in java and click tab twice and let me know what comes up for possible completions
[05:22] <broodster> omg thanks !
[05:22] <rm6990> it worked? did u use the above command?
[05:22] <Cloudchaser> poprocks i have the same problem
[05:23] <Poprocks> Cloudchaser: really?
[05:23] <Cloudchaser> yes
[05:23] <broodster> yes =]
[05:23] <Poprocks> any suggestions anyone?
[05:23] <Cloudchaser> what i do is..made an fstab entry
[05:23] <Cloudchaser> and then i can do mount -a
[05:23] <rm6990> broodster: no prob, java can be a real pain, i was thinking of writing up an unofficial guide to it and GNU FDL'ing it
[05:23] <Poprocks> well that doesn't really solve the problem, it just pokes at the symptoms
[05:23] <Cloudchaser> and then i can browse them in file manager, but not network browser
[05:23] <Poprocks> but yeah Cloudchaser I see that that would work
[05:23] <Cloudchaser> yup
[05:23] <siulca> help please!
[05:24] <Cloudchaser> it doesn't solve it
[05:24] <Cloudchaser> i tried and tried to figure out what was wrong
[05:24] <crimsun> siulca: ...with?
[05:24] <Cloudchaser> nearest i can figure is there's some gnome-vfs bug
[05:24] <Cloudchaser> not sure if thats even relate though
[05:25] <Cloudchaser> just saw it mentioned while googling for the issue
[05:25] <siulca> crimsum, with rhythmbox
[05:25] <Poprocks> yeah...
[05:25] <Poprocks> well it worked with other distros :(
[05:25] <Cloudchaser> yes i think it did..i know it worked with 2.4 kernel
[05:25] <Cloudchaser> this is my first use of newer kernel though
[05:26] <Cloudchaser> s the smb browsing
[05:26] <Cloudchaser> method has been merged into gnome-vfs2
[05:26] <Cloudchaser> i read that so maybe thats where the issue is
[05:26] <siulca> crimsum, any idea how I make rhythmbox do what it's supposed to do... play music?
[05:28] <_|Imanewbie|_> any news about cds shipments? Can I know if mine have already been shipped?
[05:28] <briareus> i received mine today
[05:29] <broodster> =]
[05:29] <briareus> a coworker got his 4 weeks ago
[05:29] <briareus> who knows
[05:29] <broodster> hey
[05:29] <broodster> is linux supported by ATI?
[05:29] <spikeb> yes
[05:29] <spikeb> but their linux support is just as bad as their windows support.
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> not by ATI per se, but works on ATI boards
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> ATI sucks really
[05:29] <broodster> yah
[05:29] <_|Imanewbie|_> Ive ordered my cds an ice age ago
[05:30] <broodster> their catalyst thing is a JOKE
[05:30] <phyberoptix> nvidia
[05:30] <broodster> unfortunately
[05:30] <broodster> i didn't know that
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> if you want real 3d, then nvidia is the way, the truth and the light
[05:30] <spikeb> my motherboard can't handle a nvidia card (stupid thing) so i AM glad ati is around for that
[05:30] <broodster> till i bought a radeon =[
[05:30] <daniels> video card wars offtopic, guys.
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> spikeb, huh?
[05:30] <spikeb> nomasteryoda, i have a lovely abit kt7a
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> ok
[05:31] <siulca> what program does everybody use to play music on Ubuntu?
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> xmms is my favorite
[05:31] <rm6990> JDahl: (or anyone else if u know how to do it): about this boot message errors...how do i get the output from when my computer was booting so i can show u what it was doing?
[05:31] <spikeb> i use rhythmbox.
[05:31] <spikeb> heh
[05:31] <rm6990> xmmx...and sometimes mplayer (compiled from source) for certain restricted codecs from a certain greedy monopoly
[05:32] <rm6990> *xmms
[05:32] <briareus> rm6990, cat /var/log/messages | grep error
[05:32] <siulca> spikeb, how did u manage to make rhythmbox to work? mine is refusing to play anything I throw at it!
[05:32] <spikeb> siulca, mine played ogg out of the box
[05:32] <spikeb> i added gstreamer's mad plugin and now it does mp3 too
[05:32] <siulca> oh... ogg... I got 26GB of mp3 :(
[05:33] <siulca> I added the mad plugin as well but still doesn;t play mp3! any idea why?
[05:33] <spikeb> gstreamer0.8-mad to be exact
[05:33] <rm6990> siulca: the ubuntu guys are just covering their asses from patent infringement lawsuits...xmms will play the files, just add universe
[05:33] <siulca> add universe?
[05:33] <broodster> broodster@broodster:~ $ rpm -Uh --force fglrx-4.3.0-3.14.6.i386.rpm
[05:33] <broodster> rpm: To install rpm packages on Debian systems, use alien. See README.Debian.
[05:33] <broodster> error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - No such file or directory (2)
[05:33] <broodster> error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm
[05:33] <broodster> broodster@broodster:~ $
[05:33] <broodster> help plz =]
[05:34] <rm6990> cat /var/log/messages | grep error didnt give me the right error messages i was looking for
[05:34] <Ravenlock> Hey all :) Could use some help with an ISO install, if anyone is willing
[05:34] <Poprocks> ogg rules
[05:34] <broodster> trying to install my ati drivers
[05:34] <spikeb> broodster, use the drivers ubuntu provides instead
[05:34] <_|Imanewbie|_> siulca: go to apt and open the sources list with a text editor
[05:34] <broodster> where do i get that
[05:34] <broodster> is it on the cd i burned?
[05:34] <rm6990> broodster: is there any files other than rpms available for ati?
[05:34] <spikeb> broodster, fglrx driver is already packaged for ubuntu, it's in the restricted repository
[05:34] <rm6990> never mind, listen to spikeb
[05:34] <siulca> _|Imanewbie|_, ok
[05:34] <broodster> nope
[05:35] <broodster> all rpms
[05:35] <Ravenlock> A description of the problem: CD in drive, boots into the install, allows me to select my location and language, and then does the "scanning CDrom" part and freezes on a blue screen
[05:35] <siulca> _|Imanewbie|_, what for?
[05:35] <broodster> so spike
[05:35] <broodster> it's on the cd right?
[05:35] <Ravenlock> This seems similar to the behavior I got from a straight Debian install CD, which told me it couldn't read the image.
[05:35] <spikeb> broodster, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:35] <_|Imanewbie|_> there will be a list of urls and something like universe
[05:35] <spikeb> broodster, and yes it should be i believe
[05:36] <rm6990> Ravenlock: what kind of cd drive do u have?
[05:36] <Ravenlock> It isn't a problem with my CD burner - I suspect I'm missing a tag on the boot that I need... for instance, to get into Knoppix I need to use nodma, but that has no effect here
[05:36] <Ravenlock> Whatever kind came in a Dell Latitude laptop about 5 years ago. Honestly, no clue. ;)
[05:36] <briareus> Ravenlock, try something like noapic, nolapic, acpi=off, or all of em
[05:36] <spikeb> heh
[05:36] <rm6990> is there another way anybody to get the boot-time error messages, this isnt giving me the proper ones
[05:36] <spikeb> dmesg?
[05:37] <_|Imanewbie|_> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe multiverse
[05:37] <Ravenlock> briareus: will setting all the tags have any negative effects?
[05:37] <_|Imanewbie|_> add multiverse like the example above
[05:37] <Ravenlock> I don't want to prevent anything from autodetecting, if it can
[05:37] <Kamion> Ravenlock: see if the stuff in https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2640 works for you
[05:38] <Kamion> Ravenlock: comments #4 to #6
[05:38] <Ravenlock> (I actually have an install of Kanotix, another Debian variant, up and running; I was able to get their LiveCD to work. But I want to try Ubuntu.) :)
[05:38] <Ravenlock> Checking that now, Kamion, thanks :)
[05:39] <_|Imanewbie|_> siulca: got it?
[05:39] <Poprocks> I'm getting "illegal instruction" errors when running mplayer... uh... ?
[05:39] <rm6990> spikeb: still not the same error messages, but getting plenty of other errors here...do u think i should just compile my own kernel and be done with it?
[05:39] <spikeb> hmmm
[05:39] <rm6990> i'm not that great at it but ill manage?
[05:39] <spikeb> rm6990, are you sure the errors you're getting are harmful? heh
[05:39] <spikeb> brb
[05:40] <rm6990> ill put them in pastebin.com, ill give u the link in a minute
[05:40] <spikeb> ok
[05:40] <spikeb> i'll be back in a minute
[05:41] <broodster> how do i know what kernel i have?
[05:41] <_|Imanewbie|_> siulca: are you there?
[05:41] <rm6990> http://www.pastebin.com/134359
[05:41] <crimsun> broodster: `uname -r`
[05:41] <rm6990> anyone else that knows a lot about this...please take a look too...again it is http://www.pastebin.com/134359
[05:41] <crimsun> broodster: and yes, the drivers are already in Ubuntu Warty
[05:42] <Ravenlock> Kamion: Success! Brilliant. Thanks so much!
[05:42] <crimsun> siulca: enable the 'universe' repository in Synaptic, then Update, then install 'gstreamer0.8-mad'
[05:42] <Ravenlock> Had to type it very fast, but it worked ;)
[05:42] <broodster> <IP_ADDRESS>-3-amd64-generic
[05:42] <crimsun> siulca: then (re)start Rhythmbox, and you'll be able to play mp3s
[05:42] <Ravenlock> They really ought to put in a boot tag to disable DMA, but beggers can't be choosers. ;)
[05:42] <broodster> so is that 686 or 386
[05:42] <crimsun> broodster: there are currently no fglrx drivers that support amd64
[05:42] <spikeb> rm6990, from what i am seeing so far, you have a nice computer :)
[05:42] <thegreatone2176> Kamion ... back ... and now its saying my compiler (gpp) wont compile anything
[05:42] <broodster> damn
[05:43] <crimsun> broodster: you'll have to wait another month til the next release
[05:43] <thegreatone2176> even though its installed
[05:43] <broodster> =[
[05:43] <crimsun> broodster: blame ATI, not Ubuntu
[05:43] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: try installing build-essentia
[05:43] <Kamion> er, build-essential
[05:43] <Kamion> Ravenlock: cool!
[05:43] <broodster> ok
[05:43] <spikeb> hmm
[05:43] <spikeb> rm6990, i'm not sure what to tell you
[05:43] <broodster> wait
[05:43] <broodster> isnt amd more popular
[05:43] <thegreatone2176> k brb after its installed
[05:43] <broodster> than intel
[05:43] <broodster> why they supporting intel?
[05:43] <Kamion> Ravenlock: we've disabled DMA on CD drives by default in Hoary; it was meant to be that way in Warty, but the change got dropped from the kernel by accident
[05:44] <Kamion> broodster: er, i386 has a massively greater install base than amd64 at the moment
[05:44] <thegreatone2176> kamion is it in the packages or just google it?
[05:44] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: the build-essential package.
[05:44] <rm6990> spikeb: thx...it is fairly nice...lol, only when it works though ;)
[05:44] <Ravenlock> Ah. I didn't realize that when I said "they" I was referring to "you". ;) Thank you again for the quick point to the fix. :)
[05:44] <spikeb> rm6990, all i can see is the USB problem, and i dont know anything about that
[05:44] <Kamion> broodster: amd64 is only part of what AMD put out
[05:44] <spikeb> i386 is generic - it includes both amd and intel x86 chips
[05:44] <Kamion> Ravenlock: heh, yeah
[05:45] <rm6990> yeah...it for some reason isnt showing the modprobe errors, i could reboot and quickly write them down if u would like
[05:45] <spikeb> rm6990, on the off chance i might be able to help, sure if you want
[05:45] <crimsun> siulca: just query me, don't dcc chat, thanks :)
[05:46] <rm6990> and if all else fails, ill just compile my own kernel :-P...anyways, thx for the help, ill be back in probably 5 minutes
[05:47] <siulca> crimsun, sorry :)
[05:48] <siulca> crimsun, just to let you know that I got the mad plugin installed and I can hear music on other players just not on rhythmbox.
[05:49] <crimsun> siulca: did you restart Rhythmbox?
[05:49] <buu> I seem to have missed something. I just installed unbuntu, set up an account, etc, how the heck do I get root privs?
[05:49] <siulca> yes... I'm even considering to restart the pc!
[05:49] <spikeb> buu, sudo
[05:49] <buu> oh
[05:49] <buu> I see.
[05:49] <buu> How do I enable the root account?
[05:49] <spikeb> that i don't know.
[05:49] <buu> =[
[05:49] <Kamion> sudo passwd root
[05:50] <siulca> crimsum, yes... I'm even considering to restart the pc!
[05:50] <buu> Kamion: Logical
[05:50] <buu> Ack, wtf. Ubuntu doesn't have flux/black box?!
[05:51] <crimsun> sure it does.
[05:51] <crimsun> both in 'universe' repo
[05:51] <buu> mmm
[05:51] <spikeb> why anyone would use ubuntu that didnt want gnome is beyond me
[05:51] <buu> spikeb: It was in the nature of an experiment.
[05:51] <spikeb> ahh
[05:51] <rm6990> http://www.pastebin.com/134362
[05:52] <spikeb> ok
[05:52] <rm6990> i copied the errors into there
[05:52] <spikeb> hmm
[05:52] <spikeb> rm6990, those two errors i get all the time - they're fairly normal as far as i know
[05:52] <thegreatone2176> kamion ... first error fixed thanks now i have thiss one configure: error: Cannot find termcap compatible library.
[05:52] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: install the libncurses5-dev package, probably
[05:52] <spikeb> rm6990, so i dont think it has anything to do with your problem
[05:52] <thegreatone2176> ok
[05:53] <rm6990> spikeb: damn....i was hoping if something was broken i could at least find it :P
[05:53] <nomasteryoda> spikeb, why can't you use a better video card?
[05:53] <spikeb> nomasteryoda, this board freaks out with any nvidia card newer than like a mx4400
[05:53] <spikeb> nomasteryoda, so i'm stuck with a radeon 9200
[05:53] <nomasteryoda> man that is crazy
[05:54] <rm6990> spikeb: i think im going to custom compile my own kernel...ive always liked doing that anyways.
[05:54] <spikeb> yeah but it's a fairly well known/documented problem
[05:54] <spikeb> that really has no solution
[05:54] <spikeb> rm6990, okie dokie
[05:54] <rm6990> Does anyone know if it is ok to remove the distros kernel after i have compiled my own or does one always need to be there from apt?
[05:54] <Kamion> you should be able to remove it
[05:54] <spikeb> rm6990, you can actually make a .deb package of your own kernel
[05:54] <crimsun> rm6990: you are free to use whatever you wish, but official support is limited to the subset of supported debs
[05:55] <Kamion> although obviously you should always keep at least one older working kernel around as a backup
[05:55] <rm6990> Kamion: alright, that probably is a good idea   spikeb: how do u make the .deb....is it a long process?
[05:55] <ubuntu> hello folks I'm getting a really strange output from the command "last -i"??? the IP number appears in my logs <IP_ADDRESS> what is going on?
[05:56] <ubuntu> last -i
[05:56] <spikeb> rm6990, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelCompileHowto
[05:56] <rm6990> spikeb: thx
[05:57] <thegreatone2176> kamion
[05:57] <spikeb> no problem
[05:57] <thegreatone2176> back
[05:57] <thegreatone2176> configure: error: The X11 library '-lX11' could not be found.
[05:57] <thegreatone2176>                   Please use the configure options '--x-includes=DIR'
[05:57] <thegreatone2176>                   and '--x-libraries=DIR' to specify the X location.
[05:57] <thegreatone2176>                   See the files 'config.log' and 'ddd/config.log'
[05:57] <thegreatone2176>                   for further diagnostics.
[05:57] <thegreatone2176> last error hopefully
[05:57] <daniels> thegreatone2176: sudo apt-get install libx11-dev
[05:57] <thegreatone2176> k
[05:58] <lynrob> handspring pda was working, now not syncing, though the configuration is still good, any suggestions?
[05:58] <ubuntu> I just installed ubuntu, I ran the command "#last -i" and I get this IP address in my logs  <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[05:58] <buu> Hrm. Where does ubuntu look to determine which WM to launch?
[05:59] <rm6990> spikeb: if i just do the standard #make && make modules_install (this is what it says to do in the gentoo handbook) does it just install everything in /lib?
[05:59] <tabmoW> ubuntu: and ?
[05:59] <ubuntu> I don't understand
[05:59] <spikeb> rm6990, modules go in lib, yeah
[05:59] <ubuntu> this isn't my IP address?
[06:00] <rm6990> and then everything else stays in /usr/src/whatever and whatever i copy into the /boot directory, right?
[06:00] <ubuntu> Is it maybe a bug?
[06:00] <crimsun> rm6990: you should look at kernel-package [make-kpkg(1)]
[06:01] <rm6990> crimsun: can i use make-kpkg with a vanilla kernel from kernel.org?
[06:01] <crimsun> rm6990: absolutely
[06:01] <Poprocks> whoa... how is that gnome-cd-player is playing my cd even though I don't have a cable connected from my cdrom drive to my sound card?
[06:01] <rm6990> alright
[06:01] <Poprocks> that's cool
[06:01] <crimsun> Poprocks: Digital Audio Extraction
[06:01] <crimsun> data flows over the IDE bus
[06:01] <crimsun> (provided you have an ATAPI drive)
[06:01] <Poprocks> I've always been able to do that on totem
[06:01] <buu> ubuntu does that? Cool.
[06:02] <buu> I never could get windows to do that. It was ridiculous.
[06:02] <spikeb> cool
[06:02] <Poprocks> but I've always been out of luck with gnome-cd-player
[06:02] <Poprocks> buu: really?
[06:02] <buu> Poprocks: Yeah.
[06:02] <buu> Poprocks: Every app I tried just tried to send it straight to the sound card. It was silly.
[06:02] <scoon> what version of xfce is in hoary ?
[06:02] <spikeb> whatever version sid had when they last took packages
[06:02] <Poprocks> finally I can listen to Broken Social Scene :)
[06:03] <Poprocks> but I usually rip all my tracks into oggs anyway.. still it's a cool feature
[06:03] <buu> Excellent!
[06:03] <spikeb> aye, i rip all my stuff to ogg or flac as well
[06:03] <Poprocks> I've never really used flac
[06:03] <scoon> spikeb, ok thanks.  so my question should have started with: Is anyone here running hoary and if so what version xfce does it have.
[06:04] <Poprocks> it's a lossless codec right?
[06:04] <spikeb> scoon, heh
[06:04] <spikeb> Poprocks, yeah
[06:04] <ubuntu> I have the IP address of a remote computer in my logs I have just installed
[06:04] <Poprocks> spikeb: this may seem like a dumb question - but is it a compressed format?
[06:04] <spikeb> Poprocks, i'm not sure
[06:04] <Poprocks> does it usually produce larger or smaller files than mp3s & oggs?
[06:05] <crimsun> scoon: 4.0.6-1