[00:00] <marklar> holstein: it hangs, no output at all, i have to ctrl-c to do anything
[00:00] <marklar> nothing shows up in auth.log either
[00:01] <holstein> marklar: if you can log in in TTY, then its not a permission issue..
[00:01] <marklar> holstein: interestingly, it doesn't work over ssh in tty or term emulator
[00:02] <holstein> marklar: then, that seems like a permission issue... so you *cannot* use sudo in virtual terminals?
[00:02] <marklar> holstein: correct in neither virtual terminals nor via ssh
[00:03] <holstein> marklar: what is the output of "sudo fdisk -l" ?
[00:05] <marklar> holstein: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6338498/
[00:06] <marklar> holstein: i have a much simpler set up on my laptop, if you'd like that output instead
[00:06] <holstein> marklar: so, you were promted for a password?
[00:06] <holstein> marklar: i was looking for a specific sudo error..
[00:06] <marklar> oh, no, i did that in the virtual terminal
[00:07] <holstein> marklar: and, that doesnt matter, correct?
[00:07] <marklar> holstein: when i tried it in the terminal emulator, it hung
[00:07] <holstein> marklar: you cant do  sudo *anywhere*, correct?
[00:07] <marklar> holstein: i can use sudo when i am in (i think they're called) virtual terminals, i.e. ctrl-F1 to ctlr-F6
[00:08] <holstein> marklar: ok, so that means to me, you dont have a permissions issue
[00:08] <marklar> holstein: thanks for the help, btw, usually I can solve my own problems, but this one has me stumped
[00:08] <holstein> marklar: what i would do is sudo apt-get something like terminator, and test there.. then,, i think its safe to assume the issue is with the config for the xfce terminal
[00:09] <holstein> !info terminator
[00:09] <marklar> holstein: i already tried that with sakura, no sudo there
[00:10] <holstein> marklar: anything else relevant you have tried? or specific output from anywhere?
[00:11] <marklar> holstein: that's it, as far as I can remember. I was updating late at night. The only other relevant fact is that it is affecting 2 computers
[00:12] <holstein> marklar: how about gksudo ?
[00:12] <marklar> holstein: that and policykit work fine
[00:13] <holstein> marklar: that, meaning, that you can run something as root with gksudo ?
[00:13] <marklar> holstein: correct
[00:13] <holstein> marklar: i would move the user .config files and test
[00:14] <marklar> holstein: seems to be still hanging... i moved them to .config_old
[00:14] <holstein> marklar: them, being *all* of the user home?
[00:15] <marklar> holstein: ohhh.. gotcha... one second
[00:15] <holstein> or, create another user and give it sudo privs
[00:16] <marklar> holstein: doesn't seem to help... I just did a quick and dirty move, it could require me to log out and back in. I'll try adding a user now
[00:19] <marklar> holstein: new account is having the same issues
[00:19] <holstein> marklar: i know i prefer fresh installs.. they take about 8 minutes typically
[00:19] <holstein> you can try "sudo strace", but its seems like its not related to user config
[00:20] <holstein> marklar: do you have any errors with apt?
[00:20] <marklar> holstein: i prefer them as well, but I have a complex set up with raids, lvms, and luks with smart cards, so it's a pain
[00:20] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/326194/sudo-hangs-without-prompting-for-password
[00:20] <marklar> holstein: no problems w/ apt-get
[00:21] <holstein> marklar: i would try main ubuntu support..
[00:21] <marklar> holstein: ok, thanks for your help, i really appreciate it
[00:21] <holstein> marklar: eh.. wish i had something that would help
[00:31] <xubuntu493> hey guys, I goto sound settings and see the sound bar reporting sound but hear nothing, have 2 outputs hdmi and analog
[00:33] <xubuntu493> lol nvm I just thougth of checking alsamixer, and sure enough analog channel was muted
[01:28] <Gerowen> Anybody know why, even though the option "Automatically Save Session on Logout" isn't checked, that every time I log in it opens up every single program I had running the last time I logged out or restarted the computer?
[01:37] <aicasn-away> because at one time it did save a session
[01:38] <aicasn-away> not checking the box doesn't erase the last session it saved
[01:39] <holstein> Gerowen: http://wiki.xfce.org/faq#session_manager might be relevant for you..
[01:47] <Gerowen> holstein: Deleting the contents of ~/.cache/sessions fixed it, thanks, :-)
[02:09] <xubuntu922> hi..anyone here to answer a basic question?
[02:09] <holstein> xubuntu922: ask and see
[02:10] <xubuntu922> really...simple...how do I get unmuted!!!..no sound...!
[02:10] <xubuntu922> running out of ideas
[02:10] <holstein> !sound
[02:11] <holstein> xubuntu922: i usually open alsamixer and trust no labels.. i try pavucontrol
[02:11] <xubuntu922> kk
[02:11] <xubuntu922> been there..just acted up yesterday..
[02:11] <holstein> xubuntu922: been where?
[02:12] <xubuntu922> to the mixer
[02:12] <holstein> acted up? you mean, sound worked and something broke it? what?
[02:12] <holstein> xubuntu922: to what mixer?
[02:12] <holstein> xubuntu922: pavucontrol *and* alsamixer?
[02:12] <xubuntu922> probably me, messing around..
[02:41] <slesher> i have a wireless logitech trackball and every so often i boot up and the cursor moves so slow that it's unusable.  i reboot and it works fine again.   i've seen the same problem on the latest ubuntu, xubuntu, and kubuntu.   any ideas what might be happening?
[02:41] <slesher> Logitech M570\
[02:41] <holstein> bad hardware? driver support issue
[02:41] <slesher> definitely feels like a driver/software issue.
[02:42] <slesher> i wonder if there is some process i can restart instead of rebooting when it happens
[07:05] <brosalem> Anyone else having issues with Xubuntu upgrade to 13.10 from 13.04. I hit the upgrade button and now everything out of whack. nm-applet crashes, my wifi wont connect and keeps reconnecting.
[07:05] <brosalem> i tried sudo service network-manager restart and its running but not showing in panel
[07:06] <brosalem> also 'notification area' is not showing under Panel->Add New Items I also changed the xfce panel icon size to 18px
[07:06] <brosalem> Would Wicd be a solution or is this just an easy fix. thanks in advancer and i apologize if this is against the rules (asking for help).
[07:06] <ObrienDave> let me guess, broadcom wifi?
[07:06] <brosalem> yup howd you know
[07:07] <ObrienDave> LOL lots of problems with broadcom. give me a min
[07:07] <brosalem> drivers are working still
[07:07] <brosalem> it was working smoothly in 13.04. thanks much appreciated
[07:08] <Unit193> My b43 took it well.
[07:08] <ObrienDave> !broadcom
[07:11] <xubuntu782> Hello opensource people. I would like to know how can I have iTunes on xubuntu so I can sync my iphone?
[07:11] <brosalem> it must be either broadcom or some kind of xfce setting error
[07:11] <brosalem> my bluetooth icon wont right click either
[07:12] <Unit193> !iphone | xubuntu782
[07:13] <brosalem> broadcom coporation" BCM4313 802.11b/n/g wireless lan controller Using broadcom 802.11 linux sta wireless driver source from bcmwl-kernel-source (proprietary)/ 1 driver in use
[07:15] <brosalem> Thanks for the link mines a bcm43xx. Any reason why 13.10 would mess it up?
[07:16] <brosalem> or better yet could i burn a 13.04 disc and downgrade/repair
[07:18] <Unit193> Netbook has that one IIRC, I'll find out when I update I guess.  Sorry can't help, my other b43 uses the other driver.
[07:19] <xubuntu782> !rockbox
[07:20] <Unit193> Fantastic firmware. ^
[07:20] <ObrienDave> also check into rhythmbox
[07:24] <brosalem> no biggie thanks for the help i'm gonna be troubleshooting till it's fixed. maybe the open source driver will work although Proprietary Broadcom STA Wireless driver
[07:24] <xubuntu782> installing rockbox means I will no longer have iOS 6? Sorry Iam noob
[07:25] <brosalem> For Chip ID BCM4311  which is my chip and it seems to be working. no problems with router
[07:25] <Unit193> xubuntu782: It's not for the iPhone, that'd be for the iPod.
[07:25] <brosalem> just wont connect. but im off to bed night
[07:29] <xubuntu782> thanks
[08:04] <xubuntu160> I am installing xbubuntu-restricted-extras and there is a pup-up about microsoft fonts or something, what should I do? What would Stallman do? :P
[08:05] <ObrienDave> install the fonts. no biggie
[08:08] <xubuntu160> okie
[08:39] <illage2> Hello
[08:39] <illage2> Loving Xubuntu so far :)
[08:41] <illage2> How do I install apps using tar.gz files?
[08:41] <baizon> illage2: http://askubuntu.com/questions/25961/how-to-install-a-tar-gz-or-tar-bz2-file
[08:41] <illage2> Thanks :)
[08:48] <Myrtti> illage2: which app are you installing though?
[08:48] <illage2> Komodo edit.
[08:49] <baizon> illage2: http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2013/07/install-komodo-ubuntu-13-04-12-04-12-10/
[08:49] <baizon> the easy way
[08:49] <illage2> :) Ah thanks.
[08:49] <Myrtti> there usually is an easier way than compiling stuff yourself ;-)
[08:50] <illage2> Aye.  I'm not a fan of compling stuff. I'm fairly new to Linux so
[08:51] <baizon> illage2: google search can help you alot :)
[08:51] <illage2> Aye, I'll have to try that next time lol
[08:53] <elfy> illage2: I'd always start from the premise that anything is available without having to compile and work backwards from there :)
[08:54] <illage2> Well that's what kinda drew me to linux in the first place.  There's always a way.
[08:54] <elfy> it isn't always the case - but it's better in my opinion to assume compiling to be the last option :)
[08:56] <illage2> :) Agreed
[09:03] <illage2> Wait so its CTRL + Shift + V to paste in Xubuntu? O_O
[09:03]  * illage2 is a noob
[09:04] <Church> or ctrl+shift+insert ?
[09:05] <illage2> :O
[09:05] <illage2> I didn't know that either
[09:15] <Church> erm. it's prolly just shift+insert
[09:15] <Church> it's possible also that copy/paste shortcuts are app dependant
[09:17] <Unit193> Shift+Ins is secondary/sel clipboard.
[09:22] <illage2> What would be the best screen recording software for Linux? I've tried Record my Desktop and Kazam and they don't seem to work all that great.
[09:37] <sampeku35> Xubuntu je podle mě lepší než Ubuntu, co myslíte?
[09:37] <sampeku35> Xubuntu is better than Ubuntu, it's true?
[09:38] <Myrtti> it's up to you and your preferences.
[09:38] <Myrtti> for some people yes, probably, for some no.
[12:10] <JanShanghai> Hello
[12:11] <cfhowlett> JanShanghai, nihao
[12:11] <JanShanghai> I have a red ! at the top right of my screen for about a month now. When I "check for updates" I get a report that says "this is a serious problems.  Please contact the developers
[12:11] <cfhowlett> JanShanghai, and did you?
[12:11] <JanShanghai> I opened a terminal (not that I know what Im really doing) and typed sudo apt-get update
[12:12] <JanShanghai> I will copy and paste what happened here, now (on the suggestion of someone here last time I logged on)
[12:12] <JanShanghai> its not quite done yet, waiting
[12:13] <JanShanghai> OK here it is.  It's long
[12:13] <JanShanghai> Err http://linux.dropbox.com precise Release.gpg                                  Connection failed Ign http://linux.dropbox.com precise Release                                    Get:1 http://extras.ubuntu.com precise Release.gpg [72 B]                       Ign http://linux.dropbox.com precise/main i386 Packages/DiffIndex               Ign http://linux.dropbox.com precise/main TranslationIndex                      Hit http:/
[12:13] <bekks> Use a pastebin.
[12:13] <JanShanghai> Err http://linux.dropbox.com precise Release.gpg                                  Connection failed Ign http://linux.dropbox.com precise Release                                    Get:1 http://extras.ubuntu.com precise Release.gpg [72 B]                       Ign http://linux.dropbox.com precise/main i386 Packages/DiffIndex               Ign http://linux.dropbox.com precise/main TranslationIndex                      Hit http:/
[12:14] <bekks> STOP IT
[12:14] <bekks> !pastebin | JanShanghai
[12:14] <JanShanghai> OK I'll try.  sorry
[12:14] <cfhowlett> JanShanghai, you were advised to contact the developers.  that means: contact the developers.  It's like the warning light on your car.  If you see it, it does NOT mean, time to take a cross-country drive.
[12:15] <JanShanghai> i remember this kind of friendliness last time i came into this support room
[12:15] <JanShanghai> I will move on, thanks anyway
[12:16] <bekks> It is pretty unfriendly to spam a channel with random copy&pastes.
[12:16] <JanShanghai> random?
[12:16] <JanShanghai> i have a problem and am fairly computer illiterate
[12:16] <JanShanghai> pardon me
[13:51] <peyam> hi
[13:52] <peyam> Ubuntu freezes on battery. a problem that has existed since 10.10
[13:52] <peyam> why dont anybody do something about that?
[13:52] <ObrienDave> didn't know it did that
[13:53] <peyam> ubuntu is useless on laptops. what is the meaning of it if it doesnt run on battery
[13:53] <peyam> I tried tlp. same prolem
[13:54] <ObrienDave> I have had no such problem. works fine for me
[13:56] <Sysi> nobody has reported a bug, developers don't have access to a device so they could fix it or they just don't have time for it
[13:56] <peyam> Sysi: https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=ubuntu+freesez+on+battery&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#channel=fs&q=ubuntu+freezes+on+battery&spell=1
[13:57] <Myrtti> that's still quite generic
[13:58] <Myrtti> and still not a bug report
[13:58] <Myrtti> and still doesn't have specific information from your case to help to identify and fix the problem for you
[13:59] <peyam> Myrtti: there are many bug reports you can see on the link I sent you
[13:59] <Myrtti> which one of them is yours?
[13:59] <peyam> Myrtti: Ubuntu 13.04 Thinkpad edge e330
[14:00] <Myrtti> not that I can help - I can't. But just aimlessly saying "it's broken, why haven't you done something" is a bit useless
[14:00] <peyam> I google a lot. I dont bugreport
[14:01] <elfy> most people are the same - they've not really got much of a leg to stand on when complaining though
[14:01] <peyam> elfy: I use ubuntu in many years. I dont have time for htat
[14:02] <elfy> got time to pointlessly complain though
[14:02] <elfy> I can see that
[14:03] <ObrienDave> "I don't know how to fix it or report it, but, I want it fixed NOW" sound about right? ;)
[14:03] <Sysi> anyone with any actual support questions?
[14:03] <elfy> not at the moment Sysi
[14:30] <xubuntu512> is it ok to update xubuntu 12.04 DE by using official xfce PPA?
[14:31] <ochosi> xubuntu512: what do you mean by updating? and what PPA specifically?
[14:32] <xubuntu512> Update xfce 4.8 to 4.10 with this ppa https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xfce-4.10
[14:33] <ochosi> well it's ok, i've done it before but it's still a bit at your own risk
[14:33] <ochosi> but if you're not satisfied, you should be able to downgrade the packages again
[14:34] <ochosi> either by using a tool like ppapurge or doing it by hand
[14:34] <ochosi> depending on your experience
[14:35] <xubuntu512> ok sure
[14:36] <xubuntu512> what about 4.12? i dont get this timeline https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/4.12/roadmap
[14:41] <ochosi> xubuntu512: well it'll get released when it's ready
[14:42] <xubuntu512> is it ok to update kernel manually?
[14:42] <ochosi> what do you mean with "is it ok"? "is it safe"? no.
[14:46] <xubuntu512> I downloaded xubuntu 12.04.3 but it installs the old 3.2 kernel, the releae notes state kernel 3.8 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/Xubuntu
[14:53] <ochosi> xubuntu512: are you sure you've installed all updates?
[14:53] <ochosi> you might have to enable some update channels in settings > software sources > updates tab
[14:54] <xubuntu512> ochosi: Nope, I just tested on livecd
[15:01] <xubuntu512> should i go with 12.04 or 13.10?
[15:04] <sadin> xubuntu512 do you want LTS or no?
[15:05] <xubuntu512> i cant decide
[15:05] <sadin> xubuntu512, is this install for work? or something? or just for fun and personal use
[15:06] <xubuntu512> fun, personal use and little school work
[15:07] <sadin> xubuntu512, then i would just use 13.10 honestly
[15:08] <xubuntu512> 32 bit or 64 bit?
[15:08] <elfy> 64bit if you have the hardware
[15:09] <xubuntu512> i have only 2GB ram
[15:09] <xubuntu512> my cpu supports 64bit though
[15:09] <sadin> xubuntu512, you can run on as low as 512mb
[15:10] <sadin> 2GB of RAM is fine considering this is Xfce were talking here
[15:12] <xubuntu512> encryptin home folder would reduce performance?
[15:14] <xubuntu512> i have low spec netbook
[15:19] <sadin> xubuntu512 it will run just fine
[15:55] <xubuntu512> can i uninstall abiword and gnumeric? or are those packages part of xfce?
[16:00] <elfy> xubuntu512: yes you can
[16:05] <xubuntu512> ubuntu software center crushes uppon uninstall and i get an error about not having available memory to create a crush report
[16:09] <elfy> xubuntu512: can you run this in a terminal please and then paste the url you get here
[16:09] <elfy> df -h | pastebinit
[16:09] <xubuntu512> how can i create notification by terminal? for example on ubuntu I would run indicator-message "Thunderbird" "New Mail"
[16:10] <xubuntu512> Ok sure
[16:12] <xubuntu512> wrong package actually it's not indicator-message rather notifyosd
[16:21] <xubuntu512> elfy: Sorry, the program "software-center" closed unexpectedly  Your computer does not have enough free memory to automatically analyze the problem and send a report to the developers.
[16:21] <xubuntu512> elfy: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6342034/
[16:29] <roberto__> hola
[16:29] <roberto__> hay alguien en español
[16:29] <elfy> aaah - refers to RAM possibly, run it from a terminal, command is software-center
[16:30] <elfy> xubuntu512: once it's crashed - copy the output you seen in the terminal - all of it to paste.ubuntu.com
[16:30] <roberto__> alguien en español
[16:30] <elfy> !es | roberto__
[16:56] <xubuntu512> elfy: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6342221/
[16:58] <xubuntu512> this i tried to uninstall gnumeric, but there was no message this time about not enough memory
[16:58] <xubuntu512> this is the first time i face just an error, on ubuntu i had no such problem
[17:03] <xubuntu512> I mean crush not error
[17:04] <holstein> xubuntu512: i dont use the software center.. you might be trying to compare differnt version of the software center, not xubuntu vs ubuntu
[17:04] <holstein> xubuntu512: you can still install and use synaptic..
[17:10] <xubuntu512> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6342316/
[17:11] <holstein> xubuntu512: have you tested the memory?
[17:11] <xubuntu512> how
[17:11] <holstein> xubuntu512: there is one at boot time in grub, and from each live CD
[17:12] <xubuntu512> no never
[17:14] <holstein> xubuntu512: you might want to test the hardware.. the memory and the hard drive.. or, use apt-get and see if you see the same errors
[17:16] <xubuntu512> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6342350/
[17:20] <holstein> xubuntu512: i would run "sudo apt-get autoremove".. then, i would run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[17:24] <xubuntu512> The following packages will be upgraded:   grub-common grub-pc grub-pc-bin grub2-common
[17:24] <xubuntu512> Software Updater says that my computer is up to date though
[17:25] <holstein> xubuntu512: igrnore that.. do the command i gave to upgrade and reboot.. and consider not using the auto updater and software center
[17:27] <xubuntu512> okie. How can I produce a notification via terminal?
[17:28] <holstein> xubuntu512: i dont know what you are asking.. but, feel free and use the GUI tools.. you can file bugs against them if you find issues that you can reproduce
[17:31] <xubuntu512> I wanna a have a notification when I have a new mail. So I need to insert a command line on Xfce4 Mailwatch Plugin where it says "Run on new messages". For example, on Ubuntu which uses notify-osd for notifications I give on terminal "notify-osd "Thunderbird" "New mail" and I have a preview notification of just that
[17:32] <holstein> xubuntu512: use notify-osd if you prefer..
[17:33] <xubuntu512> I gave it a go but it's a bit out of place
[17:33] <holstein> xubuntu512: then, you just have to decide which you prefer.. i personally switch to it, and prefer it
[17:34] <xubuntu512> elijah@netbook:~$ xfce4-notifyd hi xfce4-notifyd: command not found
[17:34] <xubuntu512> see what i mean?
[17:34] <xubuntu512> it does not work
[17:35] <m3kk> xubuntu512, what are you trying todo
[17:35] <m3kk> sorry came in just now
[17:35] <xubuntu512> make a notification
[17:35] <m3kk> awesome
[17:35] <xubuntu512> manually by terminal
[17:35] <m3kk> notifyd hi
[17:36] <xubuntu512> notifyd: command not found
[17:36] <brainwash> notify-send "hi"
[17:37] <xubuntu512> finally! tanks brainwash  :D
[17:37] <brainwash> :)
[17:37] <xubuntu512> and everyone ofc for their effort
[17:41] <xubuntu512> how long does Memtest86 take?
[17:42] <Myrtti> as long as you let it run
[17:42] <Myrtti> I usually recommend at minimum overnight
[17:43] <xubuntu512> does it ever end?
[17:44] <holstein> xubuntu512: not that im aware of..
[17:46] <xubuntu512> should I reduce swap?
[17:46] <holstein> xubuntu512: not to address anything you have mentioned above
[17:59] <xubuntu512> brainwash: there was a command to add an icon to the notification message but i dont remember it and i cant find it. Do you know how?
[18:00] <holstein> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hardy/man1/notify-send.1.html says -i xubuntu512
[18:02] <xubuntu512> rigt holstein but where are the default icons located?
[18:02] <xubuntu512> right*
[18:02] <holstein> xubuntu512: i would just search for icons, or make a directory and put my own in
[18:03] <holstein>  /usr/share/icons maybe
[18:10] <xubuntu512> thanks holstein :)
[18:25] <xubuntu512> Shumway + firefox <3
[18:25] <xubuntu512> good-bye adobe :P
[18:29] <xb13> Hi i'm currently reinstalling 13.04 on my old pc.. do you think stepping to 13.10 is useful?
[18:31] <xubuntu512> with 13.04 you will have support for 3 more months
[18:31] <GridCube> you will lose support for 13.04 in a few months, but 14.04 will be release a few later, so its up to you.
[18:31] <holstein> there is no reason *not* to move to 13.10
[18:32] <GridCube> *cough* gtk3 indicators *cough*
[18:32] <xubuntu512> *sigh* :D
[18:32] <matricule728> thx
[18:39] <xubuntu512> omg
[18:39] <xubuntu512> == Noskcaj [~Noskcaj@ubuntu/member/noskcaj]
[18:39] <xubuntu512> your IP is hidden :p
[18:40] <Noskcaj> hey xubuntu512. You get that cloak when you become an ubuntu member. But you can get a hidden one by asking
[18:41] <GridCube> like mine :)
[18:41] <xubuntu721> what are the system requirements for running xubuntu?
[18:42] <GridCube> xubuntu721, 8gb HD, more than 512mb ram, and a processor that supports PAE
[18:42] <xubuntu512> GridCube: :o amazon knows who you are tough :P
[18:42] <GridCube> xubuntu512, google, might, amazon not so much
[18:43] <xubuntu512> amazon-lens-shopping :P
[18:43] <GridCube> no idea what is that
[18:43] <xubuntu512> heh
[18:43] <elfy> xubuntu512: the lenses aren't part of xubuntu
[18:43] <GridCube> oh, you mean the unity thing, you don't have to worry about that on xubuntu
[18:44] <xubuntu512> I know elfy, I was just kidding :)
[18:48] <xubuntu512> football manager 2014 also available for linux people!! \o/
[18:51] <GridCube> !ot | xubuntu512
[18:51] <xubuntu512> i should join then :p
[23:26] <xubuntu634> does XUBUNTU load on CISCO UCS?
[23:28] <bekks> check the requirements of xubuntu and the specs of cisco ucs.
[23:31] <xubuntu634> the specs match fine
[23:31] <xubuntu634> theres a problem recognizing the raid controller
[23:31] <xubuntu634> on v. 12.04
[23:31] <xubuntu634> is there any work around for that? thanks!
[23:31] <bekks> Then you know the answer to your question.
[23:32] <Poisoned_Dragon> So, the only problem is the raid controller? Could you install another?
[23:33] <xubuntu634> unfortunately no
[23:33] <xubuntu634> it is the only raid controller driver supported by cisco
[23:33] <xubuntu325> ls
[23:34] <xubuntu325> heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[23:34] <bekks> xubuntu325: Ignore set.
[23:36] <xubuntu634> posioned_dragon
[23:36] <xubuntu634> do you ahve any other ideas?
[23:37] <Poisoned_Dragon> sorry, no.
[23:37] <Poisoned_Dragon> No experience with raids
[23:38] <bekks> xubuntu634: which raid controller exactly is it?
[23:41] <xubuntu634> Intel ICH10R
[23:41] <xubuntu634> xubuntu634
[23:42] <bekks> Thats a fakeraid controller, isnt it?
[23:42] <bekks> Yes, it is. Just dont use it.
[23:44] <xubuntu634> unfortunately its what is built into the service profiles in the cisco ucs
[23:56] <bekks> He will notice that you dont have to use that raid function.
[23:58]  * Poisoned_Dragon shrugs.


[02:41] <TheLordOfTime> I have a question... why do I have +o in #ubuntu-unregged?
[02:41] <TheLordOfTime> is it because of the ubuntu member cloak?
[02:43] <Unit193> You can check with /msg access #channel list, but yes.
[02:44] <TheLordOfTime> any reason it's +O instead of just +o?
[02:45] <TheLordOfTime> I can understand ubuntu-cloaked individuals having +o for emergency op reasons, but... autoop?
[02:45] <Unit193> Floodbot? doesn't kick +O
[02:47] <TheLordOfTime> ah.
[02:47] <TheLordOfTime> i see.
[02:48] <TheLordOfTime> well, in the time I've had my cloak, that's the first time I ended up in -unregged... guess i hit a join throttle or something
[02:48] <TheLordOfTime> *shrugs*  was curious, thanks Unit193


[02:36] <balloons> looks like you guys had fun in here! I was away from my pc all weekend.. and it' s off to sleep for me now.. However, I can pop in to say hello if anyone is awake :-)
[02:36] <balloons> so, hello :-)
[02:37] <pleia2> hello :)
[02:37] <balloons> hey pleia2! everything go ok.. I really wanted to be around for the sessions yesterday, but I didn't have a pc yesterday
[02:38] <pleia2> yep, all went well except vbox being difficult (postponed that specific session)
[02:38] <balloons> ahh.. I saw some emails about that :-(
[03:55] <thomi> balloons: you around?
[03:55] <thomi> I guess not - it being stupid'o'clock in the states
[04:01] <smartboyhw> thomi, balloons should appear around 10 hours later
[04:02] <thomi> smartboyhw: yeah, it'll be "tomorrow" for me by then - I'll email him instead
[04:02] <thomi> for anyone else that cares, I've just pushed a branch that makes the 'autopilot vis' tool usable again \o/
[04:02] <thomi> should be in the PPA shortly
[07:05] <pitti> Good morning
[07:42] <JoseeAntonioR> hello, pitti :)
[07:44] <pitti> hey JoseeAntonioR
[07:44] <JoseeAntonioR> how's it going?
[07:45] <pitti> quite fine, thanks! how about yourself?
[07:45] <JoseeAntonioR> I'm pretty good, just a bit tired
[07:51] <dholbach> good morning
[07:55] <jibel> good morning
[07:57] <pitti> bonjour jibel
[07:58] <jibel> Hey pitti
[08:34] <dholbach> the unstoppable vibhav added a few more autopkgtest I see :)
[13:17] <vibhav> dholbach: hehe
[13:22]  * vibhav writes test for libnfs
[13:36] <vibhav> libfirestring*
[15:29] <smartboyhw> balloons, PING
[15:54] <pitti> jibel: hm, I tried to tell jhbuild to rebuild clutter/mutter several times now by modifying their ~/jhbuild-data/jhbuild.modules
[15:54] <pitti> jibel: it did update the hash sum, but didn't actually rebuild; is there a better trick?
[15:56] <jibel> pitti, a direct invocation of jhbuild but then jenkins will not reflect the latest status. I'll have a look in a minute.
[15:56] <pitti> jibel: I can do jbhuild buildone, but I was afraid of circumventing the housekeeping of the scripts, indeed
[15:57] <fully_human> So, a fix was confirmed for autopilot vis?
[15:57] <jibel> pitti, you can run jhbuild anyway, that will not hurt anything, jenkins won't even notice ;)
[15:58] <pitti> jibel: right, but I do want it to notice :)
[15:58] <pitti> jibel: I could perhaps go into the checkout and git reset --hard HEAD^, to force it to re-checkout?
[16:00] <pitti> I'll try that
[16:01] <jibel> you can try that, does latest commit fixes the build failure?
[16:02] <pitti> jibel: it wasn't an upstream fault, but a temporary boo-boo in our libx* packages
[16:07] <vibhav> pitti: The wayland API/ABI is still work-in-progress, right?
[16:07] <pitti> vibhav: that's what I understand, yes
[16:08] <vibhav> Would it be sensible to write an autopkgtest for it?
[16:09] <pitti> vibhav: GTK is using it, so it's not wasted in any case
[16:09] <vibhav> ah yes
[16:11] <jibel> pitti, what time did you retry mutter by updating ~/jhbuild-data/jhbuild.modules?
[16:12] <fully_human> thomi: How's the vis bug going?  I was actually working on it late last week, though I didn't submit a bug report.
[16:14] <pitti> jibel: many times over the past days
[16:48] <pitti> jibel: chuckle at "jbbuildrc" -- you do love the thing, don't you :)
[16:52] <jibel> pitti, heh, I do :)
[17:53] <balloons> Cadence week stream going live in 10 mins: http://youtu.be/aOkbMiyJIbI
[18:02] <balloons> everyone awake?
[18:03] <balloons> before I go too deep wth this I want to make sure you can see the stream
[18:03]  * balloons taps the mic, is this thing on/
[18:03] <ssbob> yep I see it, stream is still showing the please wait screen
[18:03] <balloons> ok, great
[18:08] <balloons> can you see and hear?
[18:09] <ssbob> see, no hear
[18:12] <balloons> no hear :-(
[18:12] <ssbob> yep :)
[18:14] <SergioMeneses> balloons, \o
[18:14] <SergioMeneses> I was eating something
[18:38] <thomi> balloons: autopilot vis is fixed!
[18:41] <balloons> does anyone remember how to restart alsa?
[19:01] <balloons> we even ended on time
[19:02] <balloons> thomi, sweet..
[19:02] <balloons> good to hear
[19:02] <balloons> I heard millings about how autopilot introspection bits are going to be in raring on a daily basis
[19:02] <balloons> thus eliminating the need for the ppa ,or ?
[19:15] <balloons> ssbob, howdy.. Were you able to view the stream successfully?
[19:16] <ssbob> yeah although the quality was bad, made everything crazy blurry. But I figure when it gets posted up I will be able to rematch it
[19:16] <ssbob> re-watch it
[19:17] <balloons> hmm.. well it the quality is super bad,  I may have to resort to pre-recording them
[19:17] <ssbob> what about just doing it on google + instead of youtube? or is there a reason for youbute for the live portion?
[19:18] <balloons> I did edit the first 8 mins out.. yes, youtube was so it could go live to everyone
[19:18] <balloons> mm.. yea, text quality is bad
[19:18] <ssbob> hard to read, but the audio was just fine
[19:19] <balloons> I'm not sure if it will eventually upload better than 480p
[19:20] <balloons> I like to screencast in 1080p
[19:20] <ssbob> yeah that would be great
[19:22] <JoseeAntonioR> balloons: 480p is the best resolution youtube can give you
[19:23] <balloons> JoseeAntonioR, :-( Yea, so kind of a bust then
[19:23] <ssbob> bummer
[19:23] <balloons> welp, the other tutorials whch you can read cover things nicely
[19:23] <JoseeAntonioR> balloons: maybe you can record it and upload it, I could upload it to ubuntuonair if you like
[19:24] <balloons> I'll just do a screencast short version of the cadence testing to add to it
[19:24] <balloons> JoseeAntonioR, hmm.. yes, livestreaming a pre-recorded broadcast..
[19:24] <balloons> interesting.. since you know, you'd really just want folks to look at the original when it's done
[19:25] <JoseeAntonioR> if you give me a second I can check if we can replace the video after broadcasted
[19:25] <balloons> JoseeAntonioR, ty
[19:25] <balloons> Noskcaj, where's your whoarewe page again
[19:25] <balloons> I've got to get that linked
[19:26] <Noskcaj> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/WhoWeAre
[19:26] <balloons> ohh
[19:26] <balloons> whoweare
[19:26] <balloons> sneaky!
[19:27] <JoseeAntonioR> oh, looks like that can'e be done
[19:27] <balloons> JoseeAntonioR, well, thanks for taking a look
[19:27] <JoseeAntonioR> np
[19:27] <thomi> balloons: sorry for the delay - balloonsyes, the introspection bits are now in raring
[19:27] <balloons> perhaps we'll just have hangouts.. and for the instructional pieces, do screencasts
[19:27] <thomi> released daily too!
[19:27] <balloons> :-)
[19:28] <balloons> ssbob, so quality aside, is the video worth leaving up then.. did it help you?
[19:29] <balloons> howdy chilicuil
[19:29] <ssbob> yeah, for me I learn quickest by seeing it done
[19:30] <chilicuil> hi balloons, good afternoon! =)
[19:31] <balloons> k, I'll leave it up
[19:31] <balloons> and just do screencasts for now.. perhaps we can do hangouts during cadence weeks which don't need the video quality
[19:31] <balloons> chilicuil, afternoon to you as well
[19:31] <balloons> I made abug for you today
[19:32] <balloons> launchpad.net/bugs/1122293
[19:32] <balloons> bug 1122293
[19:32] <balloons> wow too good ubot
[19:33] <chilicuil> balloons: yep, we're only 1 hour defaced, ok, I'll look at it now, today my afternoon is free
[19:33] <balloons> it's a minor detail.. but it was neat, since I could show how people could give feedback easily
[19:34] <balloons> so ty for the setup :-)
[19:35] <chilicuil> balloons: wow, then I think we'll see videos about how to contribute to the testcases in lp very soon =)
[19:36] <balloons> yes.. it's on the list to screencast.. basically all the writeups on the wiki are going to video
[19:37] <balloons> man.. the low quality thing is weird too.. I mean look at my old video. even at 480p: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLyCE5e0nxE
[19:37] <balloons> you can read it easily
[19:40] <ssbob> yeah quality is way better on that one, weird that same res shows up so differently
[19:41] <chilicuil> balloons: I'll use a little bit of zoom there, just to make it even easier, and for screencasting the console, gnome-terminal with bigger letters or shell in box to get the terminal in firefox too, I used for this: http://www.youtube.com/ugjmexico and it works ok
[19:48] <jibel> stgraber, balloons do you need help testing ltsp for 12.04.2?
[19:49] <stgraber> I'll take care of it for Edubuntu but I don't mind someone doing it for the alternate
[19:53] <balloons> jibel, that would be great
[19:59] <balloons> hello Letozaf_ , fully_human
[19:59] <Letozaf_> Hi balloons
[19:59] <fully_human> Oh, hey Letozaf_ .
[19:59] <Letozaf_> fully_human, hey
[19:59] <fully_human> Hey, balloons , I mean.
[19:59] <balloons> :-p
[20:00] <SergioMeneses> hi guys
[20:00] <Letozaf_> Hey SergioMeneses
[20:00]  * SergioMeneses is back
[20:01] <balloons> hey everyone..
[20:01] <balloons> lots of stuff to test this week.. everyone ready?
[20:01] <SergioMeneses> balloons, Letozaf_ we have logs of our testing sessions available, right?
[20:02] <SergioMeneses> balloons, of course! ;)
[20:02] <balloons> yes.. ohh, I wanted to ask SergioMeneses  and Letozaf_ if you could put together/migrate/link to the tutorial for hw testing
[20:02] <balloons> from here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/QATracker
[20:02] <thomi> balloons: regarding the autopilot PPA - we don't currently have the Qt5 packages in raring, so we can't release autopilot-qt introspection plugins in raring.... so if you're doing At application tests, better leave the PPA enabled for the time being
[20:03] <thomi> balloons: shouldn't be more than a week or so until we fix that though
[20:03] <balloons> thomi, gotcha.. I
[20:03] <balloons> I'd just be curious if there will be a non-needed ppa point or not.. I'm leaving mine on
[20:04] <chilicuil> hi SergioMeneses o/
[20:05] <balloons> I know there is a tutorial here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Laptop/Procedures
[20:05] <balloons> in general, I'd like to clean up that area of the wiki and get it integreated nicely
[20:05] <balloons> it's still using the old header for instance
[20:06] <balloons> I think the content from your sessions can be used to help augment and get it nicely tidied
[20:08] <SergioMeneses> balloons, sounds good... maybe we all can work together for this, this week Im going to work on the UF wiki page ( cprofitt ) so, I can do something on our own wiki
[20:09] <balloons> I just want to make sure the work you all did for the session ends up in some form on the wiki too.. so it's preserved
[20:09] <balloons> and of course, I'd like to get a screencast and text walkthrough of doing it
[20:09] <balloons> as things get sorted out, we'll work on those
[20:11] <Letozaf_> balloons, SergioMeneses I'm not very good in wiki work, I mean I can do something, but I'm not an expert, so maybe SergioMeneses can do it, if he needs I can help and learn
[20:12] <fully_human> Since I'm new, could I hop on board with the wiki?
[20:12] <balloons> fully_human, of course@
[20:13] <balloons> fully_human, the wiki is open -- I'm not sure of the best way to represent our 'docs' needs persay
[20:13] <balloons> almost need a bug tracker for it, haha
[20:14] <ssbob> balloons, I run a mac at home and can test the mac versions of the iso's if that is helpful at all.
[20:14] <ssbob> using virtual box of course
[20:14] <balloons> ssbob, ohh.. sweet, yea, amd64+mac always could use help
[20:14] <SergioMeneses> Letozaf_, dony worry I can teach you something about wikis ;)
[20:14] <ssbob> great
[20:14] <balloons> ssbob, ahh.. the intent with those would be on real hw
[20:14] <fully_human> What exactly is going on with the wiki, though? I read the conversation above, but was there a previous conversation.
[20:15] <balloons> ohh, well recently Letozaf_ and SergioMeneses and prime2h gave a session on the laptop tracke
[20:15] <balloons> there is a section the wiki on it; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Laptop
[20:15] <SergioMeneses> balloons, Letozaf_ fully_human all you can need is here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide
[20:16] <balloons> however, it needs updated with the content they covered and pulled into the main QATeam wiki a bit better as well
[20:16] <ssbob> hmm I can test it out, have never installed anything other than mac os  (and windows w/ bootcamp).
[20:16] <balloons> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam
[20:16] <balloons> ssbob, ahh.. well, depending on the version of mac, it's not always easy to mess with them
[20:16] <ssbob> that is what time machine is for :)
[20:16] <Letozaf_> SergioMeneses, thanks for the link
[20:16] <balloons> i have one for a time.. I really didn't care for it. however, jibel who isn't likely around at the moment, has good mac+ ubuntu experience
[20:17] <balloons> if your interested, he can help out.. as can a few others.. posting on the list works too and see who chimes back
[20:17] <ssbob> then perhaps I will stick to regular ubuntu in a VM for testing
[20:17] <balloons> I'd recommend it at first
[20:17] <balloons> then branch into real hw installs
[20:17] <balloons> then tackle the mac :-)
[20:17] <ssbob> seems reasonable
[20:17] <balloons> steeping stones
[20:20] <SergioMeneses> Letozaf_, dont worry ;)
[20:20] <balloons> so fully_human the wiki is open, provided you have a ubuntu sso
[20:20] <Letozaf_> SergioMeneses, ok :D
[20:22] <SergioMeneses> balloons, and launchpad account
[20:26] <Letozaf_> balloons, I have 12.04 installed on a partition of my PC, I was thinking of trying an upgrade, but there is no upgrade testcase in the iso tracker this turn, do you need an upgrade test or should I just try reinstalling ?
[20:26] <balloons> Letozaf_, someone else mentioned that and I mean to take it up
[20:27] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok, so I will wait for it
[20:28] <balloons> I could add it easily enough.. I'm pinging the release team about why it's not there
[20:28] <balloons> I didn't setup the milestone
[20:28] <SergioMeneses> ok guys I have to go for a while, I'll be back soon
[20:30] <SergioMeneses> btw before I leave, balloons I think we can put all logs together like the user day wiki does https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays
[20:30] <SergioMeneses> Letozaf_, phillw ↑↑↑
[20:31] <Letozaf_> SergioMeneses, yes looks good :D
[20:31] <balloons> Letozaf_, I'm adding the upgrade stuff now
[20:31] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok thanks
[20:31] <SergioMeneses> Letozaf_, but we have to re-edit our wiki ;) make it more friendly
[20:31] <SergioMeneses> balloons, great!
[20:32] <Letozaf_> SergioMeneses, oh well I hope you know what you're doing, I'm just following you :D
[20:32] <SergioMeneses> :O
[20:33] <Letozaf_> balloons, do you know if anyone encountered this bug:
[20:33] <Letozaf_> I had it several times on ARM
[20:33] <Letozaf_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1122162
[20:34] <Letozaf_> balloons, and also this one:http://launchpad.net/bugs/1089090
[20:36] <balloons> Letozaf_, I was actually going to fire up arm this week and try it out
[20:36] <balloons> so, I'll let you know
[20:36] <balloons> let me sub to these so I don't lose them
[20:37] <Letozaf_> balloons, the first one doesn't always occur, but it has occured serval times now so I decided to open a bug
[20:41] <SergioMeneses> cprofitt, ping
[20:44] <Letozaf_> balloons, by the way the upgrade stuff isn't there yet, I can see it in the left pane but not in the right one where the testcases are...
[20:45] <balloons> Letozaf_, yes, I know
[20:45] <Letozaf_> balloons, ah ok sorry :D!
[20:45] <balloons> I found a bigger issue.. I missed the fact these tests are pointing at the old stuff
[20:45] <balloons> because historically precise was tested using it, so it was neve rupdated
[20:46] <balloons> trying to see if we can get the new tests in there without breaking the history.. that's the trouble
[20:46] <Letozaf_> balloons, I'm not in a hurry :D I can wait!
[20:58] <SergioMeneses> some around? I need an opinion
[20:58] <ssbob> I don't know anything but can try to answer it :)
[20:59] <SergioMeneses> ssbob, dont worry you can help me :D
[20:59] <SergioMeneses> ssbob, can you open this link? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SergioMeneses/sandbox/UF
[20:59] <SergioMeneses> do you see anything wrong?
[21:00] <ssbob> looks pretty
[21:00] <SergioMeneses> ssbob, ok
[21:01] <SergioMeneses> so, the design works
[21:01] <Letozaf_> SergioMeneses, the "project" link points to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/hhttps%3A//launchpad.net/ubuntu-friendly
[21:01] <SergioMeneses> Letozaf_, dont worry
[21:01] <Letozaf_> SergioMeneses, :D
[21:01] <SergioMeneses> Im working on design first, it is the hard part
[21:02] <SergioMeneses> Letozaf_, do you see it well?
[21:02] <SergioMeneses> only design
[21:02] <Letozaf_> SergioMeneses, well looks good, but I'm not an expert as I said, I mean do not know if you guys have a standard to keep to
[21:04] <Letozaf_> SergioMeneses, sorry I meant to comply with
[21:04] <ssbob> Sergio - site looks good, links work, renders fine (i.e. no funny characters, or misalignment)
[21:05] <Letozaf_> SergioMeneses, yes looks good both on Firefox and Chromium
[21:05] <SergioMeneses> Letozaf_, all link works now, I fixed it https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SergioMeneses/sandbox/UF
[21:05] <SergioMeneses> Letozaf_, ssbob thanks a lot for you help
[21:06] <ssbob> np glad to be of assistance
[21:06] <SergioMeneses> btw the old wiki page is working as usual https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFriendly
[21:07] <roadmr> cprofitt: hello, do you have a moment to look at this UF-related bit? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1637589/
[21:07] <SergioMeneses> roadmr, \o
[21:08] <roadmr> SergioMeneses: hey! I welcome any comments on that
[21:08] <SergioMeneses> roadmr, sure! just give me a moment, Im still working on our wiki page
[21:12] <balloons> Letozaf_, well the upgrade stuff is on now
[21:12] <balloons> I'm a bit saddened by the legacy testcase stuff.. we sadly can't change it
[21:14] <Letozaf_> balloons, doesn't matter :D we will use it as it is :D
[21:19]  * letozaf___ changed PC
[21:28] <chilicuil> SergioMeneses: I'll change the icons for some of here: http://design.ubuntu.com/brand/pictograms , match the colors in both menu's, the one who has (site, process..) and (next meeting..) and centralize the UF banner
[21:32] <SergioMeneses> chilicuil, sure! here are the icons http://design.ubuntu.com/downloads?metadata=element-pictogram  Im working on it
[21:40] <SergioMeneses> chilicuil, look http://spreadubuntu.org/en/material/unusual/ubuntu-pictograms
[21:41]  * balloons says ooooo!
[21:42] <ssbob> test case question, if a step called for in a particular test case does not actually work (i.e. install some package that does not exist) do I stop with the test case? sorry about the noob question fellas.
[21:44] <chilicuil> SergioMeneses: I like the pizza bash, they're pretty good actually
[21:44] <SergioMeneses> ssbob,
[21:45] <SergioMeneses> dont worry I had the same question, you can add a note/comment about it
[21:45] <ssbob> understood, thanks SergioMeneses
[21:46] <chilicuil> ssbob: I'd say yes, and I'd open a bug against ubuntu or against the testcase-manual project to fix the one with the mistake
[21:47] <ssbob> got it, yeah I actually continued reading the walkthrough and realized if I had RTFM'd the page I would have found the answer myself.
[21:48] <SergioMeneses> I think ssbob you can see this example http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/251/builds/34454/testcases/1336/results
[22:24] <balloons> ssbob, yes, just let us know.. bugs can exist in testcases too.. but we do try hard to not have them happen :-)
[22:25] <ssbob> right, yes I realize that. I am trying to file a bug and then submit the failed test but the link to the bug instructions (http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/buginstructions) just puts me back to the testing/cadence page (http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker). Looking at other bugs on other tests to get an idea where the bug should be filed.
[22:27] <ssbob> I figured it out and am putting in a bug for the test case.
[22:38] <Mawaheb> Hello everyone
[22:38] <balloons> hello Mawaheb!
[22:39] <Mawaheb> Hello balloons , i was just reading the log of your previous session ! you are really putting good efforts, thanks for that !
[22:39] <balloons> Mawaheb, your most welcome.. We want to make it easy for you to be a part :-)
[22:40] <Mawaheb> am glad to be part of this community, it's late but , better than never i guess D
[22:41] <balloons> never too late :-)
[22:42] <balloons> so i hope all the information wasn't too much to process
[22:42] <balloons> I'm currently testing some images and running through the empathy tests
[22:42] <Mawaheb> i wanted to ask you one thing about this
[22:43] <balloons> sure, go for it
[22:43] <Mawaheb> do i need to do the images tests ? (live sessions) even if i run ubuntu as my main OS  ?
[22:45] <Mawaheb> i mean is it ok if i do the test senarios on my already installed ubuntu ? or it shoud be done using the iso images?
[22:45] <balloons> Mawaheb, is it an issue with downloading that much? You are welcome to participate in any ways you wish.. If your already running ubuntu raring, then your all set to test on installed versions
[22:45] <balloons> just make sure your packages are up to date
[22:45] <balloons> in general, image/iso testing is to test the installers
[22:45] <Mawaheb> aha i see,
[22:45] <balloons> for people who don't have a version of ubuntu development installed, they can also use it to help test..
[22:46] <balloons> but we like results from real installs :-)
[22:46] <Mawaheb> )
[22:51] <Mawaheb> i really feel some sad that i did not join earlier , it seems that it will take me quite some time to get started, but i will do my best
[22:52] <balloons> don't worry.. your joining at a great time.. there's plenty to help out with, and lots of folks to meet.. you'll enjoy yourself ;-)
[22:52] <ssbob> I just started today as well Mawaheb, plenty to do :)
[22:53] <Mawaheb> :-) thanks, it makes me feel better, i think i need one more day to get used and to start working in active way, am still rading all the wikis and the logs to get familiary
[22:55] <Mawaheb> gotta go now , it's quite late in here 12:55 am , see you all tomorrow :)
[22:59] <SergioMeneses> chilicuil, now https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SergioMeneses/sandbox/UFT
[22:59] <SergioMeneses> but I cant align the banner, {{attachment:image.png|alt text|align="position"}} doesnt work
[23:01] <chilicuil> SergioMeneses: yeah, it doesn't work, to get it in the middle I use || || || {{atta..}}||
[23:01] <SergioMeneses> chilicuil, lol
[23:01] <SergioMeneses> like a table
[23:01] <SergioMeneses> mmm
[23:01] <chilicuil> yep SergioMeneses
[23:06] <SergioMeneses> jejeje chilicuil take a look https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SergioMeneses/sandbox/UFT
[23:08] <chilicuil> it look better in my opinion SergioMeneses =)
[23:08] <ssbob> I like the icons better
[23:08] <SergioMeneses> sure
[23:09] <ssbob> Gr33nD@y
[23:09] <ssbob> sorry ignore that ;(
[23:09] <balloons> ssbob, happens to all of us :-)
[23:10] <SergioMeneses> ssbob, jejeje
[23:10] <SergioMeneses> balloons, is right
[23:10] <SergioMeneses> chilicuil, ssbob I'll keep both https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SergioMeneses/sandbox/UF
[23:17] <balloons> ssbob, you still about?
[23:17] <ssbob> yep
[23:17] <balloons> I finished my empathy testcases, had a fun bug  had to get reported
[23:18] <balloons> anyways, I saw your bug report.. the irc piece worked for me
[23:18] <balloons> I was able to install that packaged
[23:19] <balloons> let's go take a look
[23:19] <ssbob> hmm let me try that again
[23:19] <balloons> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=account-plugin-irc&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
[23:19] <balloons> shows as being in since quantal, but does require universe
[23:20] <balloons> hmm.. is universe enabled in the live session
[23:20] <balloons> might not be
[23:20] <ssbob> hmm I wonder if it was because I was on the live cd and not a full install
[23:20] <balloons> probably just main
[23:20] <ssbob> that would be my guess
[23:20] <ssbob> so that explains why I could not find it, as I can now on a full install
[23:21] <balloons> if you run 'software sources' you can turn on universe and multi-verse
[23:21] <balloons> even in the live session
[23:21] <balloons> so, regardless, best to update the case with that info
[23:21] <ssbob> ok that makes sense, what should I do now? Update the bug and then results?
[23:21] <ssbob> yep will do
[23:21] <balloons> yea, comment on the bug.. i'll confirm it
[23:22] <balloons> we'll update the case
[23:23] <SergioMeneses> May I help you guys with the bug? balloons ssbob
[23:24] <balloons> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1122484
[23:25] <ssbob> I put a comment about resolution in the bug, will update the test case when I run through the steps
[23:25] <SergioMeneses> lets see
[23:26] <SergioMeneses> ssbob, but is it fixed? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1122484/comments/2
[23:27] <ssbob> yes it is
[23:28] <ssbob> so would that be "invalid" then? or is this something that someone else has to change?
[23:29] <chilicuil> ssbob: the description of the testcase should be improved, that was my fault, I'm updating it right now, thanks a lot for your report =)
[23:30] <ssbob> your welcome, I should have known to check the sources on a live install. Since I typically don't use it, the thought did not occur to me.
[23:31] <SergioMeneses> chilicuil, I think you should comment the bug too
[23:32] <SergioMeneses> but I dont think it is invalid, do you balloons chilicuil ?
[23:33] <chilicuil> SergioMeneses: I think it's valid as well, I'll comment it as soon as I get the merge proposed ready, in 5 min probably
[23:37] <SergioMeneses> chilicuil, perfect, I have changed the importance to "Low", I think is the best
[23:37] <chilicuil> SergioMeneses: cool
[23:38] <SergioMeneses> btw ssbob or chilicuil  do you have the testcase link?
[23:39] <ssbob> http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/256/builds/37167/testcases/1415/results
[23:39] <balloons> yes, I think it's valid, just something to note if we're asking folks to install something.. note the repo it's in (just in case! they fdon't have universe multiverse)
[23:39] <chilicuil> balloons: Hi, do you think that for bug #1122293 is enough to add to the testcase, "Please ensure you have the 'multiverse' repository enabled (nod by default in live session)", or do you think I should provide instrucciontions to enable it?
[23:40] <balloons> chilicuil, I think it's safe to say make sure you have universe and multiverse enabled (off by default in live session)
[23:40] <chilicuil> balloons: got it
[23:40] <balloons> I'm wondering though.. should we update the generic instructions for people who might be running things in a  live sessioj
[23:40] <balloons> instead of the testcase
[23:41] <ssbob> both perhaps, in case one was missed
[23:41] <balloons> for now let's make those changes.. something to think about
[23:41] <ssbob> this way you stop getting bugs for silly mistakes from new testers ;)
[23:42] <chilicuil> balloons: yeah, it would be even better, a note in the iso tracker that say 'Please ensure to enable the universe | multiverse repositories'
[23:44] <SergioMeneses> balloons, rocks! I think is the best solution as well


[02:54] <timboy> any news on a fix for the nvidia issues?
[02:55] <RAOF> What nvidia issues?
[02:55] <RAOF> The 96 and 78 drivers not supporting our Xorg?  No.
[02:56] <timboy> RAOF, sli isn't supported by 96 or 78 is it?
[02:56] <RAOF> Dunno.
[02:56] <timboy> grr... g2g bbl
[02:56] <RAOF> You'd only need those with a < geforce 4, though.  Was SLI supported on any < gf4 cards?
[03:10] <Hew> Hey guys. I notice an abrowser package was recently made available to use instead of the firefox non-free branding. I was wondering where the discussion to introduce this package took place, and where I could find the logs?
[03:29] <DanaG> What does the unbranded 'abrowser' look like?
[03:46] <Arenlor> Evolution doesn't seem to work right
[03:46] <milos_> i have a question about dialog asking for pass after resuming from suspend,
[03:47] <milos_> what is package?
[03:47] <RAOF> milos_: gnome-screensaver, most likely.
[03:48] <Arenlor> if it's the screensaver then that may not be working
[03:48] <Hew> DanaG: It's called "A Web Browser" and has a light-blue globe icon. Apart from that, it's pretty much the same as Firefox.
[03:48] <milos_> RAOF, i want to make whishlist
[03:49] <Hew> I really like it, and it got me thinking about the whole iceweasel thing again, which is why I was wondering if there was a discussion about abrowser that was logged somewhere.
[03:50] <milos_> i think it should look similar to dialog you get when: gksudo app
[03:51] <RAOF> milos_: In what way like that?
[03:51] <Arenlor> who boy evolution is in bad shape right now
[03:51] <Hew> It's sounding like what happened to Debian is happening to Ubuntu now (bug 269656)
[03:52] <RAOF> Arenlor: Works fine here.
[03:53] <Arenlor> My messages only show occasionally, and the preferences don't show at all, just an empty window
[03:53] <milos_> RAOF, it should have round edges and I think it's transparent surface
[03:54] <RAOF> It's going to be transparent in front of a blank screen, but round edges would be OK :).
[03:55] <RAOF> milos_: It's already themable, though; you probably want to check in with the art team.
[03:56] <emet> is there some place I can get intrepid nightly builds?
[03:56] <Arenlor> ok odd, if I close evolution and launch it it works fine, if I close it and launch it again it stops working, repeat
[03:56] <milos_> RAOF, sorry it isn't transparent but look much better than gnome-screensaver. I didn't know it's themable
[03:57] <RAOF> emet: You mean, builds of the install CDs?  cdimage.ubuntu.com
[03:57] <RAOF> emet: If you mean builds of the packages in Intrepid, then you've got an incomplete understanding of the Ubuntu release process :)
[03:57] <emet> the CDs
[04:00] <RAOF> emet: cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily or cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live
[04:01] <emet> got it
[04:01] <emet> website is slow
[04:12] <danbh_intrepid> hey, there used to be a help doc somewhere on using a livecd, and chrooting into your system to run upgrade commands.  Anyone know where that went?
[04:24] <dns53> how is X handled now, i have stopped gdm but X is still there
[04:29] <bsnider> RAOF, there was a guy in here last night said nouveau hogged cpu time. is that correct?
[04:30] <RAOF> bsnider: Its possible; EXA has a certain amount of overhead, and for some things on old hardware it can be slower than unaccelerated.
[04:30] <ibkanat> I need some help setting up my pda with ubuntu 8.10 where should I go.  i followed a tutorial for a pervious version and I think that I ma mostly there. my mda(phone/pda) shows active sync connected.  But I dont know how to browse / sync
[04:31] <ibkanat> can I just type in rttp or something?
[04:33] <bsnider> RAOF, to your knowledge is SLI working with any driver in intrepid right now?
[04:34] <RAOF> I have no knowledge of that.  I'd expect the 173 or 177 driver to support it, though.
[04:35] <bsnider> there was a guy in here last night that couldn't get to a gui at all no matter what he did, and he was onl SLI
[04:35] <DanaG> I only have one video card in my laptop.... and now  the backlight is dead.  =þ
[04:52] <mn> how can I go from 8.04.1 to 8.10 alpha 5?
[04:53] <Jordan_U> mn: Are you sure that you want to be running alpha software? You understand that there is basically no support?
[04:53] <mn> Yep.
[04:54] <danbh_intrepid> what is it?   sudo sed -i "s/hardy/intrepid/g" /etc/apt/sources.list   ???     dont run that!!!
[04:55] <mn> Jordan_U: so how do I upgrade?
[04:55] <Jordan_U> mn: update-manager -d
[04:56] <mn> Ah, muchas gracias.  And if this is too buggy and stuff for me is there any way to downgrade again?
[04:56] <Jordan_U> danbh_intrepid: Even with alphas  you should use update manger rather that changing sources.list and upgrading, you are after all looking for bugs in the supported upgrade method
[04:56] <Jordan_U> :)
[04:56] <Jordan_U> mn: No
[04:57] <mn> Hrmm, maybe I'll try it on a different partition then
[04:57] <danbh_intrepid> heh, someone just told me that command yesterday, on answers.launchpad.net
[04:58] <danbh_intrepid> ironically, the upgrade process did fail from the command line
[04:58] <Jordan_U> danbh_intrepid: I don't think it's ironic at all :)
[05:01] <mn> is there any noticeable difference between HH and II (except bugs)?
[05:01] <danbh_intrepid> I have found there to be less old bugs, and more new bugs
[05:02] <danbh_intrepid> sounds like a line from "command" in redvsblue
[05:03] <mn> but other than bugs is there any noticeable difference?
[05:04] <buono> topic is fun
[05:06] <kevin21> hey, how do i revert back to 8.04?
[05:06] <kevin21> i just installed 8.10 and i lost my gui
[05:06] <mn> i don't think you can revert back
[05:06] <kevin21> tabernac
[05:07] <danbh_intrepid> the command I gave didnt do anything?
[05:07] <umask001> it seems pretty much the same to me.  They made dual monitor stuff easier it looks like (though that looks broken) fixed an annoying problem with totem, and got us a newer version of flash that works much better (but still crashes some)
[05:07] <kevin21> startx?
[05:38] <DanaG> hmm, linuxmint actually has some interesting ideas.  http://www.linuxmint.com/rel_elyssa.php
[05:38] <DanaG> I'm sticking with Ubuntu, though.
[05:39] <danbh_intrepid> how did they get separated from ubuntu proper?  why isnt their work being a part of ubuntu?
[05:40] <DanaG> Some of it violates things like the 'don't distribute broadcom firmware' stuff, or the
[05:40] <DanaG> the mp3 patent stuff.
[05:40] <DanaG> But other stuff could still be useful.
[05:40] <DanaG> Why don't they submit it?  Beats me.
[05:44] <matr1x> id have tried mint except I didnt see a bleeding edge 64 bit version
[05:46] <LSD|Ninja> mint sucks anyway
[05:54] <DanaG> Yeah, I went back to official Ubuntu on the laptop I tried Mint on.
[05:55] <DanaG> But you have to admit, some of those ideas there are useful.
[06:05] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/261318
[06:05] <DanaG> For now, until I replace the inverter in the modern laptop... I'm stuck on the old (nv17, I think) one.
[06:09] <DanaG> Grr,,, new tlsup driver sucks... it doesn't report itself as a keyboard.
[06:10] <DanaG> Is there any tag, or such, that I can attach to get that bug a bit more attention?
[06:10] <DanaG> It's a definite regression (once you work around the other bug of broken acpi_fakekey).
[06:39] <ryanpg> anyone try using dispwin or xcalib to load icm profiles?
[06:39] <ryanpg> seems to have no effect for me
[06:42] <bsnider> RAOF, luke just uploaded a new pulse 9.12
[06:42] <DanaG> Ooh.
[06:43] <DanaG> What's new in that version?
[06:43]  * DanaG goes to pulseaudio,org (I think)
[06:43] <RAOF> bsnider: A new new one?
[06:43] <bsnider> bugfixes
[06:43] <DanaG> aah, my answer is there.
[06:43] <shirish> DanaG: hey
[06:44] <DanaG> Hello.
[06:44] <bsnider> RAOF, i thought you might be interested given your mad quest to get decent sound
[06:44] <shirish> DanaG: do you know how to extract a file from a .sh
[06:44] <shirish> DanaG: I want to extract a file from http://boincdl.ssl.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_6.2.15_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh
[06:44] <DanaG> try passing --help to the script.
[06:46] <DanaG> Oh yeah, how long will the new one take to trickle down to the official mirror?
[06:46] <shirish> DanaG: do you mean  sudo ./boinc_6.2.15_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh --help
[06:46] <shirish> DanaG: that one didn't work :(
[06:46] <DanaG> dang.
[06:47] <DanaG> you could try opening it in nano or such, as long as it's not too big.
[06:47] <DanaG> Yay: "Add new option to disable remixing from/to LFE and set it to on by default "
[06:47] <shirish> DanaG: its not too big
[06:48] <shirish> DanaG: would paste it somewhere and give the link here.
[06:48] <DanaG> argh.... what the heck?  My touchpad sudenly went all crazy-glitchy.
[06:48] <shirish> DanaG: http://paste.ubuntu.com/46786/
[06:49] <shirish> DanaG: any ideas would be good.
[06:49] <shirish> vishalrao: hey vishal
[06:49] <DanaG> hmm, I don't know what to do with that sh file.
[06:50] <DanaG> But it looks like there may be an actual archive file somewhere.
[06:50] <vishalrao> shirish: you are "shirishag" ? :-)
[06:50] <shirish> vishalrao: right on ;)
[06:50] <shirish> DanaG: right, its 4.2 mb .sh script
[06:51] <shirish> DanaG: if I run it extracts the archive and installs the boinc client
[06:51] <shirish> DanaG: I don't want to run, just extract a single file from the archive underneath
[06:51] <shirish> vishalrao: where do you live?
[06:51] <DanaG> Well, just open the archive.
[06:52] <vishalrao> shirish: pune. you?
[06:52] <shirish> DanaG: how do I do that? I know the archive is underneath it somewhere
[06:52] <shirish> vishalrao: pune as well.
[06:52] <shirish> vishalrao: do you go to PLUG meets or not?
[06:53] <vishalrao> shirish: never been to one, just on the mailing list :)
[06:53] <shirish> vishalrao: I read your mails on the list.
[06:53] <DanaG> Look from where the script is.... the actual archive should be somewhere underneath.
[06:53] <shirish> vishalrao: let's do this outside the channel.
[06:54] <shirish> DanaG: how do I get under the script?
[06:55] <shirish> DanaG: do you know anyway we could get the script to run and dump its contents on /tmp
[06:56] <DanaG> argh, I don't know how to explain it.  Did you download the script as just a script, or were there other files within the thing it came from?
[06:56] <DanaG> If you look around in the folder tree, there should be the archive file somewhere.
[06:57] <shirish> DanaG: Its a 4.2 MB script, if I run it, it will install the boinc-client and manager and stuff.
[06:57] <DanaG> That pastebin'd thing sure doesn't look like 4.2 megabytes.
[06:58] <shirish> DanaG: right on
[06:58] <shirish> DanaG: so what do I do?
[06:59] <DanaG> Argh, I'm not sure how to explain it; it's a bit tricky to figure out in person.
[07:00] <DanaG> Somewhere along the line, the original 4.2 megabyte script, which contains some binary data inside it, self-extracted some other files.
[07:00] <DanaG> You tried running the original script with the --help parameter?
[07:01] <shirish> DanaG: yup, but no dice.
[07:01] <shirish> DanaG: would try again.
[07:01] <DanaG> Try running it under 'strace'
[07:01] <DanaG> it should spit out various filenames.
[07:02] <DanaG> strace ./whatever.sh
[07:02] <DanaG> or it may take strace sh ./whatever.sh
[07:04] <shirish> DanaG: I don't want the .sh to install, under strace it would install stuff anyway, wouldn't it?
[07:07] <shirish> DanaG: ?
[07:07] <DanaG> Hmm, well, I don't know what to do, then.
[07:08] <DanaG> Perhaps there's a channel about BOINC, or perhaps somebody in #ubuntu would be able to help?
[07:51] <Ayabara> any known nvidia-issues when going from hardy to intrepid?
[07:51] <RAOF> If you've got a card < geforce4, intrepid won't work.
[07:52] <RAOF> That's about the only gotcha I know.
[07:56] <Ayabara> RAOF: ok. should be fine with my 8600GT then.
[07:58] <Ayabara> I'm considering upgrading (my only system) from to 8.10 :)
[07:58] <Ayabara> eh. that made little sense
[08:05] <toogreen> hi there, will Intrepid Ibex support waking up from sleep on a EeePC installed on the SDHC? Any1 knows?
[08:06] <toogreen> Right now i run EeeXubuntu on the SDHC and thats the only thing I can´t do
[08:18] <DanaG> RAOF: you should say <= GeForce 4 MX, perhaps.
[08:18] <DanaG> What about the GeForce4 Ti, though?
[08:18] <crd1b> or just < geforce5 :>
[08:18] <DanaG> That's even better.
[08:18] <RAOF> Geforce4s are still supported by 173 aren't they?
[08:18] <DanaG> though 5 is FX.
[08:18] <crd1b> RAOF: nope
[08:18] <RAOF> Crap.
[08:18] <crd1b> nothing after 96.31 supports anything below the FX series
[08:19] <crd1b> err, 96.xx that is
[08:19] <DanaG> Especially not this false-advertized renumbered geforce2 card (that they call a 4).
[08:19] <RAOF> Sucks to have a not-terribly-old nvidia card.
[08:20] <DanaG> Also sucks to have an nvidia 8 or 9 series.  Got crappy substrate?
[08:20] <DanaG> =þ
[08:20] <AnAnt> Hello, how can I configure a VPN connection in network-manager ? should I install a certain package ?
[08:23] <Ayabara> RAOF: crd1b: but my GeForce 8600M GT should be ok?
[08:24] <RAOF> Yes
[08:32] <bullgard4> Ubuntu 8.04.1 does not support my webcam SilverCrest WC2130. I would like to download the kernel 2.6.27 in order to test if it supports my webcam. How can I dowwnload the kernel 2.6.27? In the past I had once trouble that downloading a new kernel interfered with proper functioning of my old kernel. How can I prevent this?
[08:35] <armornick> hey guys, how's intrepid looking?
[08:35] <TuTUXG> hi, i just want to make sure something here, is the hfs can be mounted with rw privileges already? (not hfs+)
[08:35] <TuTUXG> looking good armornick
[08:36] <armornick> I'm really interested in the guest account and the encrypted home folder
[08:37] <TuTUXG> well, im not using any one of those ;P
[08:37] <armornick> also, will intrepid continue to use the human theme?
[08:38] <TuTUXG> for alpha 5 it is
[08:38] <TuTUXG> altho the artwork is always the last thing to be fixed
[08:38] <armornick> i've seen some screenshots and it had another theme (which i didn't like)
[08:39] <armornick> off course, that's easily fixed
[08:39] <TuTUXG> hfs r+w anyone? (it seems to be working here)
[08:39] <TuTUXG> ya, they changed it back to human with a5
[08:40] <RAOF> TuTUXG: hfs+ r/w has been working for ages.  The trick is to always cleanly unmount it, because the kernel will refuse to write to an uncleanly unmounted hfs volume, and there are no native fsck.hfsplus tools ;)
[08:41] <TuTUXG> RAOF, thanks, so seems like i still need to compile fsck.hfsplus by myself
[08:41] <RAOF> Yup.
[08:41] <TuTUXG> used to do that following gentoo's wiki ;P
[08:42] <armornick> btw, when is pppoeconf getting a GUI?
[08:42] <RAOF> I believe network manager handles pppoe now.
[08:43] <TuTUXG> 日本沉没
[08:43] <TuTUXG> lol
[08:43] <TuTUXG> ff3 is buggy...
[08:44] <TuTUXG> with flash contents
[08:44] <TuTUXG> maybe i should change back to flash9
[08:44] <literal> yeah, flash10 is buggy
[08:45] <literal> youtube videos have artifacts, so I switched back to 9
[08:45] <TuTUXG> will it be shipped with the Intrepid final? flash10?
[08:46] <TuTUXG> it's still in beta is it?
[08:46] <literal> I think flash on linux has always been in beta
[08:46] <TuTUXG> lol
[08:47] <armornick> what about gnash
[08:48] <RAOF> Works, but kinda.
[08:48] <literal> doesn't support nearly as much of flash as the macromedia one
[08:48] <TuTUXG> if google chrome can make it before Intrepid final, maybe i will use it to watch youtube instead of ff3
[08:48] <RAOF> Swfdec seems to work better at the moment.
[08:48] <literal> TuTUXG: it won't
[08:48] <TuTUXG> ...
[08:49] <TuTUXG> we got about one month left
[08:49] <literal> don't hold your breath
[08:49] <literal> The Chromium site explains how to download the source code for Linux, Mac OS X, or Windows. Unfortunately, if you're eagerly awaiting a Mac version of Chrome, you shouldn't hold your breath. As the Mac OS X area of the Chromium developer site explains, "Right now, the Mac build is a work in progress that is much closer to the start than the finish."
[08:49] <literal> In fact, according to the latest status report, the Chrome developers have yet to get even the browser core running under Mac OS X. Rendering actual Web pages is still a long way off, to say nothing of a usable Aqua GUI. Then again, the Linux version is in arguably even worse shape.'
[08:49] <armornick> TuTUXG, use opera :p
[08:50] <TuTUXG> na...
[08:50] <TuTUXG> opera wont crash on flash?
[08:51] <armornick> or you could try the windows flash edition through wine (or vbox), right?
[08:51] <TuTUXG> well...
[08:52] <TuTUXG> wondering if i can wine chrome
[08:52] <armornick> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=13635
[08:52] <armornick> doesn't look too good
[08:53] <TuTUXG> hi, im looking at it ;P
[08:53] <armornick> lol, sorry
[08:53] <zniavre> it crash a lot
[08:53] <TuTUXG> bronze, not too bad
[08:53] <TuTUXG> better than safari, lol
[08:58] <toogreen> any1 has tested Ibex on EeePC or know if it will wake up from sleep when installed on a SDHC?
[08:59] <armornick> I'd really use a distribution made for the EEE if I were you
[08:59] <armornick> saves you a lot of trouble
[09:00] <TuTUXG> like?
[09:00] <toogreen> I´m just wondering when they say ¨running out-of-the-box" on a EeePC it includes when installed on a SDHC card... Cuz right now im running EeeXubuntu and resume from sleep is not supported when running from a SDHC
[09:01] <armornick> Ubuntu-EEE
[09:01] <toogreen> I don´t want to override the default Xandros but I find it useful to carry Ubuntu on a SDHC card
[09:02] <toogreen> armornick, yeah thats what I always thought, and thats why im running EeeXubuntu atm, but I read several times that Ibex will support EeePC out of the box
[09:02] <toogreen> if so then I dont see why not go with it?
[09:02] <armornick> could be, but isn't a full ubuntu installation sorta overkill
[09:04] <toogreen> armornick, yeah, well thats why i run xubuntu as its slightly smaller
[09:04] <toogreen> armornick, from what I know EeeXubuntu is just Xubuntu with some tweaks to get the hardware working, but size is the same
[09:05] <toogreen> no?
[09:05] <toogreen> What im planning to do is just an upgrade
[09:05] <toogreen> a dist-upgrade
[09:05] <toogreen> from my current xubuntu
[09:06] <toogreen> that should work shouldnt it?
[09:06] <armornick> Ubuntu-EEE is only a couple hundred megs in size too
[09:07] <toogreen> armornick, ok, I didnt know about it... well I heard but didnt read on
[09:08] <toogreen> EeeXubuntu did the job for me, well still does now, the only annoyance is the resume from sleep not working, cuz i run from the SDHC
[09:08] <toogreen> other than that everything works A1
[09:08] <toogreen> and the size is ok with me
[09:09] <toogreen> to be honest im also lazy to re-install everything from scratch :P
[09:09] <toogreen> prefer upgrade
[09:10] <toogreen> on my 15 inch ACER laptop i just been dist-upgrading since like Ubuntu 5.04
[09:10] <toogreen> It still works great!
[09:11] <TuTUXG> nvidia driver is buggy...
[09:11] <toogreen> so if Im told Intrepid Ibex will support the EeePC, hell, ill just fire up the update-manager ;)
[09:13] <TuTUXG> with nvidia driver, every time i logout, x wont start unless reboot
[09:14] <TuTUXG> anybody got this?
[09:14] <toogreen> TuTUXG, is that news? ;)
[09:14] <toogreen> As Im not a gamer I tried to stick to Intel GMA chipsets... much less trouble!
[09:15] <TuTUXG> toogreen, hi, i just got my laptop back, i was stacking with windows for a month
[09:15] <toogreen> TuTUXG, hi, r u on Ibex?
[09:16] <TuTUXG> and the first thing i get to do is installing ibex
[09:16] <TuTUXG> right now? yes
[09:16] <TuTUXG> stucking*
[09:16] <TuTUXG> ...
[09:17] <armornick> you didn't install ibex into a vm?
[09:17] <TuTUXG> no, fresh a5 install
[09:18] <TuTUXG> on, on windows? no
[09:18] <TuTUXG> i only got like 512 ram
[09:18] <TuTUXG> that was an old ass desktop
[09:18] <armornick> yeah, but you could have installed it on heron
[09:20] <toogreen> TuTUXG, sorry I dont know much about nvidia and ibex.. came here for help too
[09:20] <TuTUXG> no, i didn't, i was trying to fix my laptop's motherboard
[09:20] <TuTUXG> toogreen, it's ok man, no need to be sorry
[09:21] <TuTUXG> it's nice that the new thinkpads allow you to switch from two vcards
[09:22] <TuTUXG> and with ddr3 memory, lol
[09:24] <toogreen> TuTUXG, but i did have many problems with nvidia on my desktop at home
[09:24] <toogreen> TuTUXG, had to try several different drivers, recompile etc
[09:24] <toogreen> TuTUXG, have you tried getting the latest BETA drivers from Nvidia site?
[09:24] <TuTUXG> with ibex?
[09:24] <TuTUXG> what card u have?
[09:24] <TuTUXG> ya, im using 177 now
[09:25] <TuTUXG> hardy was fine with that driver
[09:25] <toogreen> at home i have an old Fx-5200
[09:25] <TuTUXG> not with ibex tho
[09:26] <toogreen> i think i have the same driver too, not sure
[09:26] <TuTUXG> well, the old card always got better support
[09:26] <toogreen> and running hardy at home
[09:26] <toogreen> so yeah, sorry heheh dunno about ibex.. But now I know I should WAIT before upgrading, lol, thanks
[09:26] <TuTUXG> the driver doesn't matter if it's an old card
[09:28] <TuTUXG> or that should be "doesn't matter that much"
[09:29] <toogreen> yeah well I thought so too, but i did have many problems with Hardy
[09:29] <TuTUXG> ya... me too
[09:30] <toogreen> from my experience with Ubuntu its often worth waiting about a month or two after the official release, to upgrade or install it. Before that, there are always several bugs
[09:30] <TuTUXG> but if u could do a fresh install of hardy.1, it should run pretty smooth
[09:31] <toogreen> at official release its ¨supposed¨ to be stable, but with the mass of users now trying it, tons of bugs r found
[09:31] <toogreen> like there was a huge difference between 8.04 and 8.04.1
[09:31] <TuTUXG> well, it happens on lots of distros, not only ubuntu
[09:31] <toogreen> from my experience and others i heard
[09:32] <TuTUXG> unless u install debian...
[09:32] <RAOF> It _is_ stable.  It's just that our definition of 'stable' (doesn't change) isn't the definition you're thinking of (doesn't _crash_)
[09:32] <TuTUXG> lol
[09:34] <toogreen> anyways, im out, seeya guys
[09:35] <TuTUXG> what's the default font view app's program?
[09:35] <TuTUXG> kde4 messed up my default programs...
[09:36] <TuTUXG> under gnome
[11:36] <TheCan> hi - is there also an kubuntu-equivalent of this channel, or is this a mixed one ?
[11:38] <sploh> sorry, idk
[11:39] <sploh> i think its mixed one if you r using intrepid
[11:39] <TheCan> ok....well i was really shocked when i read kde3 support is going to be dropped in intrepid
[11:40] <sploh> i'm not sure about that , i use xfce4 & lxde
[11:41] <TheCan> kde4 is not as stable as kde3 and leaking many features kde3 had, apart from the looks it's really inferior to kde3 - why dont you guys keep the .kde4 scheme from intrepid to give the users the choice?
[11:42] <sploh> hmm, why don't you report it at launchpad
[11:42] <sploh> or forum
[11:44] <TheCan> where can i report this at launchpad exactly? i got there but i am a bit lost
[11:45] <TheInfinity> TheCan: then you should first post it into forum
[11:45] <TheCan> i see for the forum i need a separate account...?
[11:46] <sploh> yup
[11:47] <citizen42alpha> hello.
[11:47] <citizen42alpha> I am experiencing 403 Forbidden errors with the Intrepid repositories, is there a fix available ?
[11:47] <TheInfinity> wait some sec  :)
[11:48] <sploh> sorry, idk, w8 for others reply
[11:48] <citizen42alpha> will do. =]
[11:48] <sploh> ;-)
[11:49] <s0u][ight> hello i just installed linux-image-2.6.26-5-generic, linux-headers-2.6.26-5-generic and linux-restricted-modules-2.6.26-5-generic
[11:50] <s0u][ight> how can i make my nvidia card work?
[11:50] <citizen42alpha> *whistles an upbeat tune*
[11:51] <SwedeMike> s0u][ight:  when I installed 2.6.27-3 I had to remove and install nvidia-glx-177
[11:51] <TheCan> well there are some discussions about this topic but always the same stupid "why not stick with 8.04 when you want kde3" argument, i hate people who post this nonsense! It's like when I post about asking for a feature in some new screen getting the answer "why dont you keep your old"
[11:51] <s0u][ight> SwedeMike, i don't have the intrepid repos :)
[11:52] <s0u][ight> downloading the files i need from launchpad
[11:52] <s0u][ight> that 177 can that differ?
[11:52] <SwedeMike> then just remove and re-install whatever nvidia driver you have.
[11:52] <s0u][ight> brb
[11:52] <SwedeMike> or, that's what I did to get it working anyway
[11:57] <citizen42alpha> still no suggestions regarding 403 errors ..... ?
[12:02] <Stevko> Maybe try another mirror?
[12:02] <Konstigt> s0u][ight: might be an idea to start with a fresh xorg.conf as well
[12:03] <s0u][ight> i have an nvidia geforce 8600M GT
[12:13] <TheCan> TheInfinity, sploh: ok i posted my opinion here: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3096011.15
[12:35] <Ayabara> does intrepid break often for those of you using it as your primary system? I'm tempted to upgrade my only system :)
[12:45] <citizen42alpha> I upgraded, only problem being repository errors.
[12:45] <citizen42alpha> solved by changing to a polish mirror =]
[12:47] <Ayabara> citizen42alpha: :)
[12:49] <literal> my experience wasn't as good
[12:50] <literal> for me, the 2.6.27 kernels have a bug which cripples most internet use, and the very latest one uses 100% while trying to connect to a wireless network, so I'm sticking with 2.6.26
[12:50] <literal> (that is, it uses 100% cpu and never succeeds)
[12:51] <gourgi> ubuntuforums.org is down ?
[12:51] <Ayabara> literal: hm. now you went and scared me :p
[12:52] <Ayabara> I upgraded my laptop at work, and that went almost smooth
[12:52] <literal> Ayabara: they don't call it alpha for no reason :P
[12:52] <Ayabara> just had to sort out some issues with fglrx
[12:52] <Ayabara> hehe
[13:14] <mickep> hejdå fistelsork
[13:18] <gourgi> ubuntuforums.org is down for you too ??
[13:24] <Hew> Hey guys. There is no virtualbox-ose-modules package for 2.6.27-3, and I'm getting errors when trying to build using module-assistant. Is anyone having success with virtualbox-ose on Intrepid?
[13:31] <gourgi> lHew: Sun's virtualbox v.2  runs fine here , if that helps you
[13:32] <Unksi> gourgi: probably doesnt, as only 1.66 and 2.x work with .27 kernels
[13:42] <mcscruff> lo all, does anyone have a mirror for 8.10 the cdimage.ubuntu seems to be down
[13:46] <gourgi> mcscruff: google's cached page seems to work ok  http://<IP_ADDRESS>/search?q=cache:qfBYlF8SNBYJ:cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/alpha-5/+ubuntu+intrepid+iso&hl=el&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=gr&lr=lang_en|lang_el&client=firefox-a
[13:46] <IndyGunFreak> where can i download Intrepid?
[13:47] <IndyGunFreak> eh, nevermind... just found a torrent
[13:47] <gourgi> mcscruff:  forget about the link before , use this http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[13:47] <mcscruff> not loading for me
[13:47] <IndyGunFreak> man, nobody is seeding the friggin torrent..lol
[13:48] <IndyGunFreak> mcscruff: where can you get the live CD?.. thsoe are all alternates
[13:48] <gourgi> mcscruff: amd 64?
[13:49] <mcscruff> nope
[13:49] <mcscruff> i386
[13:49] <gourgi>  mcscruff: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/alpha-5/intrepid-desktop-i386.iso
[13:49] <mcscruff> is that link working for you?
[13:49] <gourgi> mcscruff:  does this work ?
[13:49] <mcscruff> not for me
[13:49] <gourgi> yes
[13:49] <mcscruff> hmm
[13:49] <IndyGunFreak> yeah.. its working
[13:49] <gourgi> mcscruff: wait,
[13:49] <mcscruff> im getting page cant be displayed
[13:50] <IndyGunFreak> mcscruff: that link works fine... i'm download from it right now.
[13:50] <gourgi>  mcscruff: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/releases/intrepid/alpha-5/intrepid-desktop-i386.iso
[13:50] <mcscruff> ty
[13:50] <gourgi> mcscruff:does this work ?
[13:50] <mcscruff> dns must be screwed
[13:50] <mcscruff> working now :)
[13:50] <gourgi> mcscruff: it seems so
[13:51] <IndyGunFreak> hmm.
[13:51] <mcscruff> 6 mins to d/l :(
[13:51] <IndyGunFreak> i just used wget to get it, and the first one worked fine
[13:51] <IndyGunFreak> 6min?.. 15min.. :(
[13:51] <mcscruff> :)
[13:52] <gourgi> mcscruff: 6mins? my connection says about half an hour for this !
[13:53] <mcscruff> i got a nice fast net connection :) Virgin media baby!!
[14:38] <ph>  Hi there, i'm desperatly looking for the equivalent kubuntu command for "update-manager -d" to test intrepid
[14:38] <pawan> hi
[14:38] <pawan> !release
[14:39] <dankh> how to decode Monkey's Audio (*.ape) sound file ?
[14:41] <dankh> there is a package libjmac-java in universe but I don't know how to use this library to decode Monkey's audio file, there is no other package in the repositories to do this task
[14:43] <literal> mplayer can do it
[14:44] <dankh> I just install mplayer package and look at the man page ?
[14:44] <waan> dankh, there are a few players that can do ape
[14:45] <waan> dankh, do you just want to play the audio, or convert it?
[14:45] <dankh> waan: I want to decode the file in wave
[14:45] <dankh> actually I want to convert it to flac
[14:45] <waan> dankh, so you want to "convert" it?
[14:45] <dankh> yes
[14:46] <waan> dankh, http://aidanjm.wordpress.com/2007/02/04/converting-monkey%E2%80%99s-audio-ape-files-to-flac-in-ubuntu/
[14:47] <dankh> I have already tried with this package
[14:47] <literal> or use mplayer -ao pcm
[14:47] <dankh> It doesn't work on Intrepid
[14:47] <literal> to dump it as wav
[14:47] <waan> dankh, then mplayer is your man
[14:47] <dankh> literal: ok I'll try mplayer, just curious, do you know which lib mplayer uses to decode ape ?
[14:48] <literal> it uses its own internal libavcodec
[14:48] <waan> dankh, afaik mplayer has it's own decoders in the binary
[14:48] <dankh> ah ok, great !
[14:48] <waan> dankh, thats why mplayer is the bomb!
[14:48] <literal> mplayer something.ape -ao pcm:file=dump.wav
[14:48] <dankh> thank you guys
[14:48] <waan> no probs
[14:48] <dankh> :)
[14:50] <dankh> just for the info, the various "mac-3.99-u4-b5.deb" doesn't work anymore
[14:54] <ph8> hey all, where can i get intrepid-latest from? cdimage.ubuntu.com doesn't appear to work
[14:55] <ph8> (anymore)
[15:06] <alex_mayorga> is it normal to have a wmaster0 interface or is it a bug?
[15:08] <literal> normal
[15:09] <alex_mayorga> I have this problem where the laptop assocites with the AP just fine, but there's no traffic, not even to the gatewat
[15:11] <literal> I've had some networking problems with the 2.6.27 kernels, had to downgrade to 2.6.26
[15:12] <literal> specifically, this problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/264019
[15:15] <alex_mayorga> sounds like a weird bug that one
[15:16] <literal> yep
[15:46] <doggymenz> is Iceweasel in the repo?
[15:47] <jbroome_> yeah, but it's called firefox
[15:48] <doggymenz> yeah, but i dont want firefox
[15:48] <doggymenz> i want iceweasel
[15:48] <doggymenz> cuz firefox 3.0.2 force me eula, i dont like
[15:49] <jbroome_> oh lord
[15:49] <Stevko> ABrowser 3 is an unbranded version of the popular Firefox webbrowser;
[15:50] <Stevko> Maybe that?
[15:50] <doggymenz> why they dont just use iceweasel instead of abrowser?
[15:50] <Stevko> Hm, abrowser installs firefox, so not.
[15:51] <jbroome_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallIceweasel
[15:51] <jbroome_> the google, it does wonders
[15:51] <doggymenz> i dont like google, read this, read that, i want it in repo
[15:52] <Stevko> doggymenz, I use epiphany and I like it more than firefox / try that
[15:52] <jbroome_> wow
[15:53] <Volkodav> anybody has nvidia problem with <IP_ADDRESS> kernel ?
[15:54] <IdleOne> doggymenz: you don't likie firefox, you don't like google. so what you do like is for other poeple to reasearch for you and tell you exactly what to do? try Windows
[15:54] <doggymenz> Volkodav, no it work fine for me
[15:54] <Volkodav> hmm
[15:54] <doggymenz> IdleOne, i like a computer that "just works" without having to google, read  this, read that, type commands in terminal, etc
[15:54] <Volkodav> mine won't see nvidia driver
[15:54] <jbroome_> doggymenz: get a mac
[15:54] <Volkodav> it should work with 177 right ?
[15:54] <IdleOne> doggymenz: use windows.
[15:55] <doggymenz> i dont like apple or microsoft, they are assholes
[15:55] <TeLLuS> Volkodav: Worked when I tried it with 177, but I switched back to 2.6.26 kernel with 177..
[15:55] <doggymenz> microsoft is straight up honest about being assholes though
[15:55] <IdleOne> Linux is not like that. We use windows because it is not perfect and things break but we have the right to fix it if we can
[15:55] <doggymenz> apple is sneaky about it, and pretends to be cool, while being assholes
[15:55] <IdleOne> !language
[15:56] <IdleOne> s/windows/linux
[15:56] <doggymenz> Volkodav, yes it should, but you might need to delete 177.68 so you only have 177.70 else there is a conflict, check launchpad
[15:56] <Volkodav> well it works with 177 on 27.2 and not 27.3 ?
[15:56] <doggymenz> 27.3 works with 177 too
[15:56] <doggymenz> just you need run some commands
[15:56] <doggymenz> manually
[16:04] <Volkodav> like what  commands?
[16:12] <tretle> where do you ask for packages to be added to the next release
[16:13] <tretle> plugins in apps as default etc?
[16:13] <doggymenz> Volkodav, they are on launchpad
[16:13] <Volkodav> opk I'll check it out I am in Mac now
[16:14] <doggymenz> Volkodav, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/269513/comments/2
[16:15] <Volkodav> hmm why is is saying sudo aptitude reinstall linux-image-2.6.27-1-generic ?
[16:15] <Volkodav> it is 2.27-3 isn't it?
[16:17] <ph8> is the 'failure while instlaling base packages' familiar to anyone? (intrepid-latest over KVM)
[16:27] <Turski> is intrepid's samba broken or something?
[16:28] <Turski> can't add shares
[16:29] <doggymenz> dont know, i dont use samba
[17:03] <tretle> Turski - Its broken but if you go into terminal and type sudo nautilus and share a file from there it will work
[17:14] <slytherin> is bluetooth file transfer working for anyone in intrepid?
[17:19] <khc> I just upgraded to 8.10 and both the single quote and double quote stopped working, instead it started acting like the compose key, any ideas?
[17:22] <Turski> tretle: i am using kde
[17:22] <Turski> hmm... but maybe it works with dolphin
[17:23] <slytherin> khc: what is a compose key?
[17:24] <khc> Hitting single quote + e becomes é, and so on
[17:27] <tretle> Turski - I'm not sure then, there is a problem with it on gnome where you have to be admin to share files, if you could try sudo dolphin and tell me if that works that would be great
[18:15] <Turski> tretle: samba options dialog didn't even open
[18:16] <Turski> oh... it did... didn't with kdesudo ;P
[18:17] <Turski> but options dialog closes (crashes) when trying to add folder to shares
[18:18] <tretle> ah, probably a kde specific problem then.
[18:20] <Turski> but in kde control center most samba options are greyed out
[18:34] <Konstigt> Turski: yes it its.
[18:34] <nekostar> Konstigt: no it's not.
[18:34] <nekostar> >.>
[18:34] <Konstigt> Turski: oops, thought you asked the question right now, had couple of pages of scrollback :)
[18:34] <nekostar> <.<
[18:35] <nekostar> lol
[18:35] <nekostar> i was just messing with u
[18:35] <nekostar> :<
[19:15] <DanaG> ←_← →_→ ↑_↑ ↓_↓
[19:18] <DanaG>  Anybody know what file controls what lock-dialog theme is used in gnome-screensaver?  I want to get back the default non-minty one (after starting from a system installed with linuxmint).
[19:23] <danbh_intrepid> what do you have now?
[19:24] <danbh_intrepid> DanaG: ^
[19:25] <DanaG> I purged all Mint packages, and upgraded it to Intrepid.
[19:26] <danbh_intrepid> ubuntu?
[19:26] <DanaG> Yeah.
[19:27] <danbh_intrepid> well, I don't know, but this command may help: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^
[19:27] <danbh_intrepid> yes ^
[19:28] <DanaG> Oh, I figured it out... it's using the default wallpaper defined in the wallpapers xml file.
[19:28] <DanaG> I'm purging and reinstalling the ubuntu-wallpapers package.
[19:31] <DanaG> nope... that didn't do it.
[19:59] <DanaG> One bug I have:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/261318
[19:59] <DanaG> It's a regression in 2.6.26.
[20:01] <DanaG> Odd, on my other laptop, my swap space is 100% in use.
[20:01] <DanaG> Yet, my RAM has plenty of space (being used for cache).
[20:03] <danbh_intrepid> I so hope they work out keyboard issues
[20:03] <danbh_intrepid> my repeat keys are too fast, so sometimes, I geeet accidental repeats.
[20:05] <milosz> how can i install additional locale support?
[20:06] <milosz> i couldn't find anything related to that
[20:06] <milosz> ow nvm
[20:11] <milosz> omg
[20:11] <milosz> the Language Support window really needs some usability people to look at it
[20:11] <milosz> "Apply", "Cancel", "OK"? how's that for Windowsisms
[20:12] <DanaG> Grr.... stupid quodlibet isn't listing any files.
[20:12] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/quodlibet/+bug/155348
[20:37] <hudnix> Howdy. After doing the latest partial dist-upgrade of Intrepid, nvidia-glx-177 module won't install. Anyone else having problems?  Or is it just a problem with me? And are there any mirrors?
[20:55] <lubosz> error: ‘memset’ was not declared in this scope
[20:56] <keepsake> alpha5 has no hyphen
[20:56] <keepsake> WelshDragon: sorry, that's not right
[20:56] <keepsake> WelshDragon: yeah, the site is down
[20:57] <WelshDragon> keepsake, OK, Do you know of any mirrors?
[21:03] <keepsake> WelshDragon: what type of system do you have?
[21:04] <keepsake> i386/x86_64?
[21:04] <WelshDragon> The disc i want is the i386 alternate
[21:05] <keepsake> try here
[21:05] <keepsake> http://linux.softpedia.com/progDownload/Ubuntu-Intrepid-Ibex-Download-39147.html
[21:08] <WelshDragon> They all just link to the same server, thanks anyway.
[21:08] <keepsake> oh, sorry
[21:09] <lubosz> my xserver bugs big time, it does not refresh the window when i change tabs
[21:09] <lubosz> not in pidgin nor in firefox
[21:09] <lubosz> or refreshes it partially
[21:09] <keepsake> WelshDragon: maybe look for a torrent then
[21:09] <lubosz> should i post a bug report?
[21:10] <lubosz> does anyone have problems with bluetooth mice?
[21:10] <lubosz> mine does not connect automatically...
[21:10] <lubosz> that feature was removed :D
[21:10] <lubosz> "sudo hidd --search" has to be typed
[21:17] <Arodon> what's the proper way to shut down the NetworkManager service now? (including things like wpa_supplicant that it loads) The old method was to use scripts in /etc/dbus-1/event.d/ but they aren't part of the latest packages
[21:18]  * burner wonders why you'd want to shut down NetworkManager
[21:18] <burner> i would do "sudo /etc/init.d/NetworkManger stop"
[21:18] <lubosz>  /etc/ini.d/networking stop ?
[21:21] <erle-> will 8.10 have firefox 3.1?
[21:22] <lubosz> erle-: its does not atm ^^
[21:22] <Arodon> mm lubosz's idea would probably work. Using Network Manager stop left wpa_supplicant running, and also a dnsmasq process, but I'm not sure that it was started by NM
[21:22] <lubosz> maybe because 3.1 isnt out yet
[21:23] <erle-> but it will come out in october afaik
[21:23] <erle-> and 3.0 was in 8.04 very early, too
[21:23] <Arodon> I'm doing some ICS stuff that's a bit too complicated for NM at this point, but really gets in the way when you try to use ifconfig etc to do things the old fashioned way
[21:23] <lubosz> hm, would  make sense, but i dont know who decides about versions
[21:23] <lubosz> and since 3.1 wasnt tested
[21:24] <lubosz> 3.1a2 is out
[21:25] <lubosz> lets put it on the repos ^^
[21:25] <Arodon> we might see a 3.1 backport, but it's not as big an upgrade as it was moving to 3.0, so I'm sure it's not as critical to the devs
[21:25] <erle-> Arodon, it is a very big upgrade, more than the little number change suggests
[21:25] <erle-> it has a completely new javascript engine for example
[21:26] <Arodon> even so we're past feature freeze, so it won't be showing up for a while at least
[21:26] <lubosz> Version 3.1, codenamed Shiretoko,[24] is planned to include support for the <video> and <audio> tags as defined in the HTML 5 specification.
[21:26] <lubosz> sounds usefull
[21:26] <Arodon> good point on the js engine though (TraceMonkey?)
[21:27] <erle-> i heard it will be 10 to 15 times faster than the old one
[21:28] <erle-> it is much more multithreaded, too
[21:28] <lubosz> oO
[21:28] <lubosz> 15 times...
[21:28] <lubosz> they rewrite the whole thing for ff 4.0
[21:28] <lubosz> looking forward to this, since ff3.0 is overloaed
[21:29] <erle-> every rendering is a thread now which doent slow down the user interface any more
[21:30] <Arodon> hm anyone else having issues with lots of hard drive access->slow responsiveness in the location bar?
[21:30] <lubosz> any tab should be a thread too
[21:30] <WelshDragon> Yes Arodon
[21:30] <lubosz> like in googles browser demo
[21:31] <erle-> lubosz, it is
[21:32] <Arodon> I haven't used chrome much, but I feel like their OmniBar is what the AwesomeBar should have been in 3.0, as it is it's an outstanding idea with an immature implementation
[21:32] <lubosz> i'm missing my search engine field with wikipedia. youtube etc
[21:33] <lubosz> in chrome
[21:33] <lubosz> where i can switch search engine and dont have to type the sites name
[21:33] <Arodon> do they have a keyword-search capability yet?
[21:33] <lubosz> in firefox?
[21:34] <Arodon> Chrome
[21:34] <Arodon> like in Firefox I type "wp $SEARCH" into the location bar
[21:34] <Arodon> or yt for youtube
[21:34] <lubosz> interesting..
[21:34] <lubosz> didnt knwo that
[21:35] <lubosz> searches in google fpr "wp $SEARCH" when i type that
[21:35] <Arodon> yeah you have to add the keyword manually
[21:35] <Arodon> the easiest way is to right-click on any search field
[21:35] <lubosz> "wp lolcat"?
[21:36] <Arodon> and click the Add a Keyword for this search option
[21:36] <lubosz> google still
[21:36] <lubosz> hm
[21:36] <Arodon> another option:
[21:36] <Arodon> go into the dialog for managing the search engines
[21:36] <Arodon> and you can add keywords in there
[21:37] <Arodon> ok found a Mozilla page about it http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/smart-keywords.html
[21:38] <lubosz> ah
[21:38] <lubosz> i c
[21:38] <lubosz> nice
[22:23] <kane77> wow I have to say: "Kudos to Ubuntu devs!!" I am testing intrepid on my laptop and wifi works without problems and even on places where it worked only with ndiswrapper previously (since fwcutter is limited to TXPower of 27).. There are still some crashes present but it's alpha..
[22:23] <TheCan> kane77, on which laptop are you testing it ?
[22:24] <kane77> TheCan, mine ;) (HP nx7400)
[22:24] <TheCan> ;)
[22:25] <TheCan> i'm buying one with the new montevina platform soon, let's see how the new intel hardware will work with ubuntu
[22:25] <pwnguin> interesting
[22:25] <pwnguin> the url when i start up firefox today is chrome://ubufox/content/mozeula.html
[22:26] <kane77> it has b43xx wireless and I had problems before.. (before 8.04 I used ndiswrapper and it mostly worked, but in 8.04 only b43 module worked, but had very low signal)
[22:27] <TheCan> pwnguin, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=919444
[22:28] <pwnguin> it's too bad firefox's branding is part of usability
[22:31] <pwnguin> incredibly fucking ironic, given that phoenix was completely unofficial
[22:35] <pwnguin> TheCan: it's the front page on slashdot right now; I just thought it was wierd that it used "chrome:"
[22:36] <milosz> the relation to Google Chrome is very indirect
[22:39] <lukehasnoname> Is cdimage.ubuntu.com down? And if so, is there a mirror containing the alpha 5?
[22:40] <Stevko> What is this thing I keep reading about firefox eula?
[22:40] <bsnider> there's a firefox eula now
[22:40] <bsnider> that's basically it
[22:41] <bsnider> it's how they've chsoen to protect their trademarks
[22:41] <Stevko> Well, since I removed firefox long time ago, then I have nothing to worry about.
[22:41] <lukehasnoname> I thought there was always a EULA
[22:41] <lukehasnoname> in terms of their logo and name
[22:41] <bsnider> no
[22:41] <bsnider> not until 3.0.2
[22:49] <lukehasnoname> Jaunty jackalope
[22:49] <lukehasnoname> really
[22:50] <TheCan> this eula issue sucks
[22:52] <lukehasnoname> true
[22:52] <bsnider> it's really boring
[22:52] <bsnider> use another browser
[22:53] <lukehasnoname> abrowser
[22:53] <Stevko> epiphany
[22:53] <lukehasnoname> Firefox extensions rule
[22:54] <bsnider> there are other reasons to avoid firefox. like the fact that it's slow. or the bad flash support
[22:55] <bsnider> or the fact that it's manufactured in a sweatshop in southeast asia
[22:55] <lukehasnoname> mhm
[22:56] <lukehasnoname> it's only slow on my USB install, it locks up my system so I've started using opera there
[22:56] <lukehasnoname> but on my laptop it works fine
[23:02] <lubosz> i have some strange pc beeps when booting Oo
[23:02] <lubosz> my splash does not appear either
[23:02] <DanaG> Argh, anyone know what would cause a samba server to yield "unable to locate network share" (or something like that) on trying to open a share?
[23:16] <RAOF> DanaG: Care to step into #nouveau?
[23:18] <bsnider> i don't think nouveau would cause a samba problem
[23:19] <RAOF> True.  But they seem to be a bit interested in "nouveau's slower than nv" :)
[23:19] <bsnider> how many guys work on nouveau?
[23:20] <DanaG> Hmm, I figured out the samba thing.
[23:20] <DanaG> I had to chmod o+rx my home (since the shares are under it).
[23:22] <RAOF> bsnider: Some?  4 or 5 are the core, pretty much.