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[17:20] <Eickmeyer> DalekSec: Thank you!!!
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[09:59] <prateek_grunge> hello
[10:00] <prateek_grunge> i need assistance with file uploads using servlets
[10:01] <prateek_grunge> i am running a tomcat7 server and trying to upload a file via an HTML page
[10:01] <prateek_grunge> I get the nullpointerexception on the getPart code


[23:29] <generalbadwolf> laptopdebin: didnt fix middle scroll - and yes i found the config
[23:29] <laptopdebin> ok
[23:29] <crepple> That's odd Basketball - I haven't installed wps on Ubuntu but it worked fine on Mint using the Ubuntu installer
[23:30] <Basketball> crepple, have any ideas?
[23:30] <crepple> Not really. I'm using Debian at the moment but I might try and see what happens for me
[23:30] <crepple> Hang on
[23:32] <generalbadwolf> laptopdebin: no big deal. Just wanted gpus to work. guess ill just dry dock a board
[23:32] <generalbadwolf> thx all
[23:32] <laptopdebin> generalbadwolf, use kvm
[23:32] <laptopdebin> with vga passthrough
[23:32] <laptopdebin> fuck
[23:32] <ikonia> tone down the language please
[23:32] <ikonia> there is no need for swearing and it is not acceptable in this channel
[23:32] <crepple> Basketball I don't have my ubuntu betbook with me right now or I would try it there, but my guess is the file has been moved in the meantime
[23:33] <Basketball> crepple, i cant download any of the files
[23:33] <bekks> Basketball: So take it to the maintainer of that website.
[23:34] <crepple> Yeah Basketball it seems like the links are broken now
[23:35] <Basketball> crepple, ok thanks for being nice
[23:35] <Basketball> and tryinh
[23:35] <crepple> It's shame I deleted the deb archive or I would have passed it to you
[23:36] <netameta> Yes!!!!!
[23:36] <netameta> bekks, and ikonia thanks both you folks
[23:37] <netameta> at last...
[23:38] <netameta> believe it or not i am in this for about 2 weeks now, have read about 75% of http://www.freetds.org/userguide/ and still did not get it, Should have asked here way way before
[23:38] <Hulio> ikonia, fedora 21 won't boot either lol
[23:38] <ikonia> Hulio: I said earlier, I don't care,
[23:38] <Hulio> ikonia, i guess i have to disable secure boot
[23:38] <Hulio> :)
[23:39] <ikonia> that has nothing to do with this channel
[23:39] <Deihmos> why is it power management in linux is poor compared to windows ?
[23:40] <ikonia> Deihmos: it's not, it depends on your hardware
[23:40] <ikonia> Deihmos: sometimes it can be better, other times worse
[23:40] <ikonia> sometimes it needs so configuration
[23:40] <Dumle29> I just had a lockup, and waiting it out popped up a "Sorry, Ubuntu 14.10 has experienced an internal error." Can i submit the error report here so that I might be able to find a fix?
[23:41] <Deihmos> does not look like my disk spin down at all
[23:42] <xSolidState> hello friends! I have an issue with an automatically mounted partition. Its NTFS and i need rwx permissions for my user. I have the following line in fstab: UUID=1442D3D242D3B6A8 /media/raid1  ntfs-3g defaults,user,nls=utf8,exec,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0  the drive mounts, steam(what i need this for) thinks it has write access, but my file manager, as user, says it belongs to root and shows an empty folder. FM as root says it belongs to
[23:42] <xSolidState> the user. How can i have user show it belonging to him as well?
[23:43] <simme> !mac
[23:43] <ikonia> xSolidState: fuse is user space, so the user mounting it will own it
[23:44] <xSolidState> ikonia, isnt that weird tho, that root thinks it belongs to user, and user thinks it belongs to root?
[23:44] <ikonia> xSolidState: not really
[23:45] <xSolidState> ikonia, i thought i can "cast" it as user with the uid and gid options though. i obviously need to see whats in the drive as user. Would umask help? People OTI recommend similar mounts for steam
[23:48] <Fudster> Yes, Im running "sudo apt-get update" and Its stuck. http://i.imgur.com/gLBrH3J.png
[23:48] <Fudster> I already canceled it and retryed a few times
[23:49] <bekks> How long did you wait before cancelling it?
[23:49] <daftykins> Fudster: text is better on pastebin sites
[23:49] <Fudster> Okay.  I thought you meant between each run...
[23:51] <Fudster> lol
[23:51] <xSolidState> lol
[23:51] <Fudster> Well I have left it for a while once. Will try again
[23:52] <bekks> "before cancelling".
[23:52] <bekks> Fudster: If that doesnt work out, use an official mirror, not the one from your ISP.
[23:52] <Fudster> bekks:  how do I change those?
[23:53] <bekks> Fudster: http://askubuntu.com/questions/104695/how-do-i-change-mirrors-in-ubuntu-server-from-regional-to-main
[23:53] <xSolidState> My ntfs problem vaporized when i chowned the mountpoint directory to my user. For anyone that cares
[23:53] <xSolidState> umask is 000 tho
[23:53] <bekks> xSolidState: NTFS doesnt support umasks.
[23:54] <xSolidState> bekks, well then it was the chown hehe
[23:54] <xSolidState> did both to be sure
[23:54] <bekks> xSolidState: NTFS doesnt support chown as well.
[23:54] <xSolidState> bekks, oh no i chowned /media/mountpoint and THEN mounted
[23:55] <xSolidState> before, my user thought the dir belonged to root, and root said it belonged to user
[23:55] <bekks> xSolidState: Thats irrelevant, since those ownerships will be overwritten.
[23:55] <bekks> xSolidState: Overwritten by the mount options.
[23:55] <xSolidState> bekks, well what happened then? it didnt work before, i chowned and now it works lol
[23:55] <xSolidState> quite od
[23:55] <xSolidState> d
[23:56] <daftykins> best approach is to not mix file systems in future
[23:56] <Fudster> bekks: But what do I exactly replace?...
[23:56] <Fudster> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/M5UDR46E
[23:56] <bekks> Fudster: the sources offered by your provider need to be replaced by official mirrors.
[23:57] <xSolidState> ok i will uninstall windows, backup my 3 tb drive and format it as ext4, daftykins :P
[23:57] <daftykins> xSolidState: sounds perfect
[23:57] <bekks> xSolidState: Windows has no uninstall option. :P
[23:57] <Fudster> bekks: ...And a list of those official mirrors can be found where?
[23:57] <xSolidState> praise stallman
[23:57] <daftykins> xSolidState: or here's a thought, but another drive \o/
[23:57] <daftykins> although granted that approach doesn't sound so dramatic on IRC
[23:57] <daftykins> ;)
[23:58] <xSolidState> daftykins, haha. This may sound weird but all my drivebays are full already
[23:58] <daftykins> don't need the life story :)
[23:58] <bekks> Fudster: replace http://ubuntu.bhs.mirrors.ovh.net/ubuntu with http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu


[14:13] <CraigZim> anyone have an Idea on how to swap drives on a UEFI machine and still beable to boot them after?


[13:43] <bji> Hii, I have completed the command line by william shots. What's next?
[13:50] <bji> nnn
 I suspended my PC and now it says Authentication failed! ... I didn't set any password, just left it blank, worked fine in terminal. Will I have to set a password to be able to suspend it?😅
[16:20] <arrayboltXE> @CGMxxx: You may have to set a password in order to be able to use suspend. THe installer shouldn't have let you install Lubuntu without a password, I don't think.
[16:21] <arrayboltXE> Did you perhaps set a password but then enable autologin?
 autologin? the option below where the password is set when installing lubuntu? Yes, I think I checked that option. But I always left the password blank.

 I already set a password now, problem solved.


 I wonder what it could be
[02:02] <user|11> what is the latest kubuntu lts kernel
[02:02] <user|11> ?
[02:02] <user|11> that is available
[02:07] <genii-meeting> !info linux-image-generic-hwe-20.04
[02:08] <genii-meeting> !info linux-image-generic-hwe-20.04-edge
[02:08] <genii-meeting> either of those
[02:12] <genii-meeting> The -edge one may have experimental features and be more unstable
[02:13] <user|11> thx
[03:21] <aiena> I have a funny problem. Kate if opened directly works fine. If I right click on a file from dolphin as choose "Open with Kate". Kate opens for one second and closes I just see the icon in the Task Manager and then it is gone. Openig the same file after launching kate is all fine.
[03:22] <aiena> This happens only with the "open with kate" if I right click and "open with Vim" all is ok. If I launch kate first and then open the same text file all is ok.
[03:22] <aiena> Any ideas on how to troubleshoot this. It's so inconvinient.
[03:34] <Guest5942> Fala galera!!! O KDE Neon esta com erro ao baixar os temas globais
[03:34] <Guest5942> Alguém sabe me falar o pq?
[06:37] <Maik> yeah well.... KDE Neon isn't supported here
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[12:13] <Guest71> hi
[12:15] <Guest71> @everyone
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[12:55] <aiena> hi
[13:02] <BluesKaj> 'morning all
[15:01] <user|66> hello
[16:51] <user|82> I am unskilled at chat. How do you  see a log of current conversation.
[20:42] <aiena> I want to setup a local youtube like thing to stream .mp4 files stored on my harddrive. What would be a good solution for that?
[20:42] <aiena> stream them over my local LAN
[23:34] <mparillo> To see logs of this channel, go to: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2022/02/04/%23kubuntu.html In general, most *buntu channels are logged at https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/


[14:43] <greg-g> oh god: https://blog.zoom.us/wordpress/2020/05/07/zoom-acquires-keybase-and-announces-goal-of-developing-the-most-broadly-used-enterprise-end-to-end-encryption-offering/
[14:46] <jrwren> right?!?
[14:46] <jrwren> I am disappoint
[14:46] <jrwren> but I never really bought into keybase.
[14:46] <jrwren> Still, it was an interesting project.
[14:47] <greg-g> yeah, I have an account and such, I was even contacted by someone through it to share a password (legitimate). But that's the extent of my use really
[14:48] <cmaloney> I never quite understood Keybase
[14:48] <cmaloney> but it feels like two places that don't quite understand encryption handling encryption
[14:49] <greg-g> I think if you bought into it, it made sense: private communications, sharing of secrets/files, private git repo.  I'd always copy and paste the GPG commands ;)
[14:51] <cmaloney> Is it GPG on the back-end?
[14:51] <jrwren> yes.
[14:51] <cmaloney> Ah, OK
[14:51] <jrwren> it is just a nice API and app on top of GPG
[14:51] <cmaloney> So it's not quite as Dunning Keyserver as I thought it was
[14:52] <jrwren> lol... kruger keyserver
[14:52] <cmaloney> my favorite derrogative term for Bitcoin is Dunning Kreugerands
[14:52] <cmaloney> dunning krugerrands  if I knew how to spell
[14:53] <cmaloney> Got that from here: https://www.jwz.org/blog/2017/11/today-in-dunning-krugerrand-news/
[14:53] <jrwren> lol
[14:53] <jrwren> i don't really get it.
[14:54] <jrwren> why wouldn't you just say Dunning Kruger?
[14:54] <cmaloney> Krugerrands are gold
[14:54] <cmaloney> Gold Coins from South Africa
[14:54] <jrwren> oh, that is why I don't understand. makes more sense now.
[14:54] <cmaloney> The Krugerrand was introduced in 1967 as a vehicle for private ownership of gold. It was minted in a copper-gold alloy more durable than pure gold. Economic sanctions against South Africa for its policy of apartheid made the Krugerrand an illegal import in many Western countries during the 1970s and 1980s.
[14:55] <cmaloney> If only there were a source for knowledge. ;) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krugerrand
[14:57] <cmaloney> Apparently they're worth more than I thought. Google claims the asking price is around $1,700
[15:11] <greg-g> TIL
[15:12] <cmaloney> Same
[15:47] <cmaloney> https://nitter.net/LibyanCossack/status/1258423114997915658#m
[15:55] <greg-g> oh, nitter is just a proxy for twitter?
[15:55] <greg-g> fancy-proxy, I guess
[15:59] <cmaloney> Yeah
[22:22] <jrwren> just found a USB with 16.04 on it... ancient in linux years ;)
[23:22] <jrwren> whoa... the 16.04 boots and sees the wifi chip and drivers andwork and network works, but popos 20.04 boots and does not. Linux going backwards :(
[23:48] <cmaloney> fun fun


[00:02] <histo> What files should I have in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/  ?  I have one thats giving an error the lucid-partner.list.distUpgrade
[00:04] <histo> nvm I deleted it
[00:11] <tracy68> i have broadcom 4353 what driver should i use to get it working in 10.10 ?
[00:13] <tracy68> anyone here >?
[00:14] <tracy68> !seen ubuntu technical support
[00:14] <tracy68> !seen ubuntu customer service
[00:15] <ChogyDan> tracy68: i heard that broadcoms don't work
[00:15] <tracy68> i knew it
[00:15] <tracy68> in 2.6.34 it does work
[00:15] <tracy68> i mean 2.6.32
[00:15] <tracy68> in lucid
[00:15] <ChogyDan> you may just have to wait till it is closer till release
[00:15] <tracy68> but it doesnt in maverick
[00:16] <tracy68> arent there some compat-wireless dirvers for this device ?
[00:16] <ChogyDan> yeah, exactly, that's what I heard.  Hopefully by release it will be fixed
[00:16] <Karen_m> I installed the latest nvidia video driver so I can get CUDA, and when I startx, it signal 11s.   Anyone know a guide on how to get CUDA working in Maverick?
[00:17] <ChogyDan> tracy68: compat-wireless is backporting later kernel drivers to earlier kernels...
[00:17] <tracy68> what about bradcom or whoever made the wifi card dont they have the driver for it ?
[00:17] <Karen_m> if I installed maverick, anyway to go back to lucid?
[00:18] <tracy68> karen_m dont know mych about nvidia i have real graphic card not some dummy one
[00:18] <Karen_m> nvidia is real, forget ati
[00:18] <tracy68> why dont u buy propper graphic card
[00:18] <Karen_m> nvidia>ati anyday
[00:19] <tracy68> ati and only ati u should try the one i have got its called tesla
[00:19] <tracy68> u would like it im sure
[00:19] <Karen_m> http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html
[00:20] <Karen_m> ati is second fiddle to nvidia, if you like that.. :)
[00:20] <tracy68> u know nothing
[00:20] <tracy68> why nvidia trying to copy ati and their tesla?
[00:20] <Karen_m> tracy, lose the purse honey.
[00:21] <tracy68> everythign bad about ati is that isnt supported good enough in linux
 there is some sta driver for my broadcom dont u know what one someone from ubuntu told me
[00:47] <devon> hey, how do i install the -rt kernel?
[00:48] <yofel_> devon: install the 'linux-image-rt' package?
[00:49] <devon> @yofel_, searching that in synaptic doesn't lead to anything except "testdisk", which i have a feeling has nothing to do with the rt kernel
[00:50] <yofel> odd
[00:50] <devon> yeah
[00:50] <yofel> !info linux-image-rt
[00:50] <devon> oh.
[00:50] <devon> that sucks
[00:50] <yofel> o.O
[00:50] <yofel> give me a sec
[00:51] <devon> so do i have to go hunting through ppas or something?
[00:51] <Karen_m> is there a way to downgrade?
[00:51] <devon> like from the beta back to 10.04
[00:51] <yofel> Karen_m: officially, no - reinstalling is your best option
[00:51] <devon> ?
[00:52] <devon> too bad, this is a fresh install, and i was just setting it up...
[00:52] <yofel> hm... linux-image-rt is listed in apt-cache though...
[00:52] <yofel>      <IP_ADDRESS>.12 0
[00:52] <yofel>         500 http://mirror.informatik.uni-mannheim.de/ubuntu/ maverick/universe amd64 Packages
[00:53] <devon> is there a way to add the lucid repo to my sources list?  i could nab it from there
[00:54] <yofel> sure, just add the same lines where it says 'maverick' again with 'lucid'
[00:55] <devon> hang on, i'm going to try an apt-get update b4 doing anything
[00:57] <devon> actually, i think i'll just go back to my fedora/ccrma install, i know that worked
[00:57] <devon> i kinda installed this on impulse
[00:57] <devon> :p
[01:14] <rockhopper> hi is anyone there?
[01:23] <yofel> !anyone | rockhopper
[01:24] <rockhopper> hi yofel
[01:24] <rockhopper> I want to know if i can install Unity window manager on 10.04 UNR lucid
[01:51] <TheCrow> hi
[01:55] <FoolishOwl> I notice grub2 isn't automatically booting, even though /etc/default/grub seems to be configured for that.
[02:03] <FoolishOwl> Anyone else having trouble with grub2?
[02:04] <coreyt> I have just upgraded from 10.04 to 10.10, now when i boot, ubuntu does not load into the gnome desktop, it just gives me a command line interface. How can I get back to gnome?
[02:05] <FoolishOwl> That's odd. You could try "sudo service gdm start"
[02:06] <coreyt> FoolishOwl: Thanks for the tip I will try that, but would I have to do that each time?
[02:06] <FoolishOwl> You shouldn't. Most likely, what you'll get from that is a more informative error message.
[02:07] <FoolishOwl> If it just plain works, then the trick is figuring out why it's not doing that automatically.
[02:07] <coreyt> Okay, I running ubuntu off the 10.04 cd right now, so I will have to go and try that, I will get back to you about this
[02:19] <coreyt_> FoolishOwl: sudo service gdm start told me the service gdm is already running
[02:20] <coreyt_> I guess he is not here anymore
[02:21] <coreyt_> I just upgraded from 10.04 to 10.10, and now when i boot, ubuntu does not load the gnome desktop, it just loads a command line interface, how do i get my gnome desktop back or at the very least downgrade back to 10.04?
[02:26] <coreyt_> I just upgraded from 10.04 to 10.10, and now when i boot, ubuntu does not load the gnome desktop, it just loads a command line interface, how do i get my gnome desktop back or at the very least downgrade back to 10.04?
[02:28] <coreyt_> I just upgraded from 10.04 to 10.10, and now when i boot, ubuntu does not load the gnome desktop, it just loads a command line interface, how do i get my gnome desktop back or at the very least downgrade back to 10.04?
[02:30] <PresuntoRJ> coreyt_: con the CLI, can you verify you have ubuntu-desktop and gdm installed?
[02:31] <PresuntoRJ> coreyt_: do you know how to check for it?
[02:31] <coreyt_> Thanks for answering, but no I don't
[02:32] <coreyt_> following the advice of someone else last time i ran sudo service gdm start, it told me gdm was already running
[02:32] <PresuntoRJ> coreyt_: are you currently loged in on the CLI ?
[02:33] <coreyt_> nope I would have to reboot, i using the live cd
[02:33] <PresuntoRJ> coreyt_: do you see a prompt with you name@hostname$  ?
[02:33] <coreyt_> yes i see that when the os loads
[02:33] <coreyt_> instead of the gnome desktop
[02:34] <kklimonda> .b 11
[02:34] <PresuntoRJ> coreyt_: there is no easy way to downgrade (that I am aware of) and unless you have the /home in a different partition than your system files (/boot /usr /etc /var) you can end up losing your personal files, which is not good
[02:34] <coreyt_> ah
[02:34] <coreyt_> so is there a way to get gnome up?
[02:35] <PresuntoRJ> coreyt_: if in the end of the boot you get to a login prompt on the CLI, try to login with your old username and password
[02:35] <coreyt_> I did
[02:35] <coreyt_> it just gave me the command prompt
[02:35] <coreyt_> after the successful login
[02:36] <PresuntoRJ> coreyt_: good, assuming you are a sudoer, try this: $ sudo lsb_release -a
[02:36] <coreyt_> does that include the $
[02:36] <coreyt_> ?
[02:36] <PresuntoRJ> the $ is for the regular user prompt (not root) - sudo will take elevation to the necessary priviledges
[02:37] <PresuntoRJ> usually, the root prompt we indicate with a #
[02:37] <PresuntoRJ> ;)
[02:37] <coreyt_> okay, can you think of anything else i can try if that doesn't work, while im at it?
[02:38] <PresuntoRJ> coreyt_: we are investigating together... there will be a at least a couple of commands to try to solve it or figure out what went wrong
[02:38] <PresuntoRJ> coreyt_: now, what does this last command told you ?
[02:39] <coreyt_> well see ill have to reboot in order to try these because im on the same computer, using the live cd to boot to 10.04
[02:39] <PresuntoRJ> coreyt_: for instance, mine, right now, says my machine is running Lucid 10.04.01
[02:39] <PresuntoRJ> ok, so right down a few commands for later
[02:39] <PresuntoRJ> before you boot
[02:39] <PresuntoRJ> ok?
[02:39] <coreyt_> of course
[02:40] <PresuntoRJ> this checks the version of the ubuntu installed : $ sudo lsb_release -a
[02:40] <coreyt_> I'm sure its 10.10 though, it says to at the top
[02:40] <coreyt_> when im at that screen
[02:41] <PresuntoRJ> this checks the version of the linux kernel installed : $ uname -r
[02:41] <PresuntoRJ> the lucid is still on 2.6.32-25-generic
[02:41] <PresuntoRJ> this can verify is the installation process halted and try to resume: $ sudo dpkg --configure -a
[02:42] <PresuntoRJ> this, can verify if the apt-get during the upgrade has downloaded a broken package, and advise on possible fixes: $ sudo apt-get check
[02:43] <PresuntoRJ> this can force the repository to re-read the list of available packages: $ sudo apt-get update -o Acquire::http::No-Cache=True
[02:43] <PresuntoRJ> this can remove unecessary packages: $ sudo apt-get -y autoremove
[02:44] <PresuntoRJ> this should solve most installation issues, read carefully for the output before reacting: $ sudo apt-get -f -y install
[02:45] <PresuntoRJ> this should complete the upgrade process, but only after everything you have tried: $ sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:46] <PresuntoRJ> if it still does not boot on your GUI, you may be short of the GUI packages... so try $ sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[02:47] <PresuntoRJ> coreyt_: do exactly in this order
[02:47] <PresuntoRJ> coreyt_: it should solve most upgrades issues that might have ocurred on your machine
[02:47] <PresuntoRJ> coreyt_: let us know afterwards how it went
[02:48] <PresuntoRJ> coreyt_: have you wrote it down?
[02:48] <coreyt_> writing...
[02:49] <PresuntoRJ> coreyt_: by the way, have you tried to upgrade via the GUI applet, or the do-release-upgrade CLI command ?
[02:49] <coreyt_> i upgraded by running the upgrade manager, then after it told me 10.10 was available, i clicked upgrade
[02:50] <PresuntoRJ> coreyt_: if you get to a particularly difficult package, you might be able to clean the cache comlpetely with $ sudo apt-get clean           before you repeat the process, ok?
[02:51] <PresuntoRJ> coreyt_: but it told you it was still beta, write? or at least, you have set up some time ago to let you know beforehand, right ?
[02:51] <coreyt_> yeah i knew it wasnt a stable release yet
[02:52] <PresuntoRJ> coreyt_: okido, just checking :D
[02:52] <PresuntoRJ> :-p
[02:52] <coreyt_> so i should do the sudo apt-get clean before i repeat what process?
[02:52] <PresuntoRJ> coreyt_: when you are ready to reboot, let me know
[02:53] <lsmobrian> does anyone know how to login into launchpad using command line.  I enter my username/password however after that theres nothing to do.  "continue" is not a link.  I am using w3m trying to submit some bug info using apport-collect
[02:53] <PresuntoRJ> coreyt_: if you follow these steps and you get to a stubrn package that refuses to install, the clean will remove every downloaded .deb file from the cache and force them to redownload when you repeat the process
[02:54] <coreyt_> okay i see
[02:54] <PresuntoRJ> coreyt_: but at first, try it again with what you've got there already...
[02:54] <coreyt_> im going to reboot now
[02:54] <coreyt_> will you still be on here?
[02:54] <PresuntoRJ> lsmobrian: sorry, never tried that...
[02:54] <PresuntoRJ> coreyt_: for a while... probably I will still be here since I am tring to upgrade a laptop right now
[02:55] <coreyt_> okay, thanks for your help i appreciate it, i will get back to you
[02:55] <PresuntoRJ> lsmobrian: there should be a community documentation on that somewhere
[02:56] <lsmobrian> I was hoping so, but have had no luck finding any
[02:57] <PresuntoRJ> lsmobrian: are you using maverick ? (ubuntu 10.10)
[02:57] <lsmobrian> well, sorta
[02:57] <lsmobrian> Im in the installer now and trying to file a bug for ubiquity(the installer)
[02:58] <PresuntoRJ> lsmobrian: probably the server team have the answer, since they are used not to have the GUI installed... you should try this question on the #ubuntu-server channel then
[02:58] <lsmobrian> good idea, thanks
[02:58] <PresuntoRJ> lsmobrian: good luke
[02:59] <Dr_Willis> I think i need to file a bug on compiz also here. I just noticed if you use the 'windows rules' plugin,  the + button to add a window title, or other info to a rule. dosent seem to propery set the variable. it gives 'title=' Instead of 'title="window title"' like it should.
[02:59] <Dr_Willis> someone care to verify if it works on a clean install? this is a Upgrade machine i did yesterday.
[03:01] <kklimonda> lsmobrian: you can save report and copy it over to another machine that has graphical browser.
[03:01] <PresuntoRJ> Dr_Willis: I am almost finishing an upgrade here, so I can check the behavior... but I don't have a fresh install on sight any time soon...
[03:01] <Dr_Willis> PresuntoRJ:  actually i recall the SAME problem with my older install.. but i had it with so many PPA's it may of been using a ppa for compiz. so i never looked into the issue
[03:02] <Dr_Willis> PresuntoRJ:   Window rules, like where you enter the 'title' rule. the + button, the grab thing 'works' there . but dosent send the rule to the main setting. and even entering a value manually and  adding the rule.. it also ends up not getting set properly on the parent rule dialaog.
[03:03] <PresuntoRJ> Dr_Willis: PPAs got disabled during the upgrade process... unless its a really newer version number that would not get replaced from 10.10 repository, that should be no issue
[03:03] <Dr_Willis> I use this feature to make things like 'File Operations'  window stay on top.
[03:03] <white_magic> i'm trying to install ubuntu 10.10 and it's been at 'resizing partition' stage for at least 10 minutes. It doesn't seem rigth. any ideas?
[03:03] <Dr_Willis> PresuntoRJ:  yea. I just wanted to check with a clean install. I got a clean install on the laptop. I will check that later today.
[03:03] <lsmobrian> kklimonda, thanks, not sure why im trying to make this hard, i already moved a few logs
[03:03] <Dr_Willis> PresuntoRJ:  work time for me. So chat at you later.
[03:04] <ChogyDan> white_magic: I would let it go for a long time before I give up.  You loose all your data otherwise...
[03:04] <white_magic> its a mostly clean install of win7.. but i also have a clean install of ubuntu 9.04, both of which would be installed alongside ubuntu 10.10
[03:04] <PresuntoRJ> Dr_Willis: I can try on a VMWare after I finish here, but I am not sure if it will have an affect on the result to be a valid test in this case
[03:04] <white_magic> i wonder if that's a lot of OSs for it to handle
[03:05] <white_magic> would hate to lose my win7, just after i installed everything. not that any data there is vital
[03:05] <white_magic> woah
[03:05] <white_magic> that stage is over
[03:05] <white_magic> good thing i didnt do anything impulsive
[03:05] <switz_> Hi, I am having a weird problem after updating. After going to meerkat whenever I open a program it maximizes so that I can't see the [x][_][ ] buttons on top
[03:07] <PresuntoRJ> white_magic: sometimes it takes for ever if the windows (NTFS) partition is not defragmented... because the partition tool would have to move the files around as well as resizing the table ;)
[03:08] <PresuntoRJ> white_magic: that could have been your case
[03:08] <white_magic> makes sense
[03:08] <PresuntoRJ> white_magic: let us know if you run into any troubles
[03:08] <white_magic> i didnt defrag since installation, which wasnt that long ago, but still
[03:08] <white_magic> i will, thanks
[03:08] <white_magic> i usually avoid betas, but thought i'd take a chance this time
[03:09] <PresuntoRJ> white_magic: windows after the installation is a complete mess of fragmentation.... don't let the "freshness" of the installation foul you
[03:09] <white_magic> i miss the beautiful installers of regular releases though :p
[03:09] <white_magic> yea'
[03:09] <PresuntoRJ> white_magic: one of the downsides of using a work-in-progress version ;)
[03:10] <white_magic> PresuntoRJ: i went with the default options for partitioning (install 10.10 alongside win7 & ubuntu 9.04). i will want to remove 9.04.. anything i should keep in mind?
[03:10] <white_magic> i have not bothered to look at the partition process at all, since ubuntu has never screwed me over with it
[03:11] <white_magic> i mean i never configured anything other than partition sizes
[03:11] <PresuntoRJ> white_magic: do you have a partition for your /home separated from the system files (like /boot , /etc, /var, /usr , etc) ?
[03:11] <Doyle> white_magic: it's not uncommon for a partition resizing to take several hours...
[03:12] <white_magic> PresuntoRJ: like i said, i just went with default settings when installing 9.04 & 10.10 now
[03:12] <white_magic> stupid, i know, but i'm not so worried
[03:12] <PresuntoRJ> Doyle: it has been a 50-50 experience for me... either really quick, or takes for ever to complete
[03:13] <white_magic> anyway, it's 'installing the base system' now, so the partition is over
[03:13] <white_magic> partitioning
[03:13] <white_magic> i suppose i can just edit GRUB and delete the 9.04 entry for starters
[03:13] <white_magic> then just remove 9.04 partitions?
[03:13] <Doyle> PresuntoRJ: yea, it depends on how easily the system can shuffel the data around... if you resize a partition with only 10% free space it'll take all night
[03:13] <PresuntoRJ> white_magic: if you have your personal files backed up somewhere else, and there is nothing in the 9.04 you need for later, than you could delete it with no fear... a $ sudo grub-probe would do the trick for you
[03:14] <Doyle> white_magic: you should leave it there in case you need to boot ot the old kernel version
[03:14] <white_magic> well, i used 9.04 for less than 3 minutes in total
[03:14] <PresuntoRJ> Doyle: good point
[03:14] <white_magic> so i dont have anythign to lose..
[03:14] <white_magic> why would i need to boot to the old kernel version?
[03:15] <white_magic> also, should i encrypt the home directory if i plan to dual boot? common sense says no, for convenience purposes? what is the default setting, though?
[03:15] <white_magic> installer doesn't tell me..
[03:15] <PresuntoRJ> white_magic: so, there is no need to keep it at all during the instalation... I think a fresh installation (keeping windows and 10.10) would have you going for now... just remember that 10.10 is still beta, and it is still prone to bugs and stuff...
[03:15] <white_magic> well, it's chosen no by default, but doesn't say much else
[03:16] <coreyt> PresuntoRJ: I'm bank
[03:16] <coreyt> back
[03:16] <PresuntoRJ> coreyt: and?
[03:16] <PresuntoRJ> coreyt: any troubles ?
[03:16] <PresuntoRJ> coreyt: any progress?
[03:16] <coreyt> no progress :)
[03:16] <coreyt> ok ill run through the list you gave me and tell you what they did
[03:16] <PresuntoRJ> coreyt: :-p ...  :-/
[03:16] <PresuntoRJ> coreyt: ok
[03:17] <coreyt> the ubuntu version is 10.10
[03:17] <PresuntoRJ> coreyt: so, it has done something already
[03:17] <coreyt> kernel version is 2.6.35-19-generic
[03:17] <PresuntoRJ> coreyt: sure, the 10.10 kernel
[03:17] <PresuntoRJ> coreyt: what else?
[03:17] <coreyt> dpkg --configure -a did nothing
[03:18] <PresuntoRJ> coreyt: nothing has stoped in the middle, good
[03:18] <coreyt> apt-get check looks like it tried to do something but...
[03:18] <coreyt> gave me 6 files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[03:18] <coreyt> that apparently had invalid filename extensions
[03:18] <PresuntoRJ> coreyt: which ones?
[03:19] <coreyt> ubuntu-wine-ppa-lucid.list.save
[03:19] <coreyt> gdm2setup-gdm2setup-lucid.list.distUpgrade
[03:19] <kklimonda> coreyt: your gdm doesn't start?
[03:19] <coreyt> ubuntu-wine-ppa-lucid-.list.distUpgrade
[03:19] <PresuntoRJ> kklimonda: nope, that's the point
[03:20] <coreyt> hernejj-ppa-lucid.list.save
[03:20] <coreyt> gdm2setup-gdm2setup-lucid.list.save
[03:20] <kklimonda> coreyt: can you launch X with startx?
[03:20] <PresuntoRJ> coreyt: any ppa you can disable... try editing the source.list files and put a # in the beging of the line...
[03:20] <coreyt> hernejj-ppa-lucid.list.distUprgade
[03:20] <coreyt> those 6
[03:21] <ChogyDan> coreyt: if you don't want those ppas, you can just delete those files
[03:22] <coreyt> do you want me to run through the other commands
[03:22] <PresuntoRJ> coreyt: if you can, sure... kklimonda has a good point, can you get to the X running $ startx ?
[03:22] <coreyt> what do you mean X?
[03:23] <PresuntoRJ> coreyt: yeap... X is the GUI server ...
[03:23] <coreyt> i can try that, just enter startx?
[03:24] <PresuntoRJ> coreyt: we were checking if the upgrade has failed somehow, but the X could be running manually also
[03:24] <PresuntoRJ> coreyt: sure
[03:24] <PresuntoRJ> coreyt: $ startx
[03:24] <coreyt> okay, i will go do that right now
[03:25] <PresuntoRJ> coreyt: then you can resume the check with the rest of the list anyway (even if startx works) just to play safe
[03:25] <coreyt> i ran all the commands you gave me
[03:25] <PresuntoRJ> coreyt: if it does not, we will get there soon enough
[03:25] <coreyt> most of them gave the same thing as apt-get check gave me
[03:26] <coreyt> trying to install ubuntu-desktop told me it was already up to date
[03:26] <ChogyDan> coreyt: what did apt-get check say?
[03:26] <PresuntoRJ> coreyt: good, than you can go on editing the files to comment the "inapropriate" lines with # as the first letter, or ever, delete the files it has complained and try the list again
[03:26] <coreyt> okay, i will be back
[03:26] <PresuntoRJ> ChogyDan: a bunch of invalid files as the source.list repositories, mostly ppa related
[03:27] <PresuntoRJ> ChogyDan: he will try to comment those and try again
[03:27] <ChogyDan> PresuntoRJ: is that the problem?
[03:28] <ChogyDan> I had that same issue, but they were for all these ppas disabled at upgrade, figured it was a non issue
[03:30] <PresuntoRJ> ChogyDan: not sure, we are checking... he had the X and gdm not running after the upgrade... not sure if something hasd stoped during the upgrade... we were checking manually for the dpkg and apt statuses
[03:30] <ChogyDan> ah, ok
[03:30] <PresuntoRJ> ChogyDan: when he came back from the boot, he was reading the results of the commands I have passed him ;)
[03:31] <PresuntoRJ> ChogyDan: you know, dpkg --configure -a, apt-get check, that kind of stuff
[03:32] <PresuntoRJ> ChogyDan: but those commands complained about 6 invalid lines, all but one were ppa related, the other was gdm related, not sure what repository was that anyway
[03:32] <PresuntoRJ> ChogyDan: but it was not an ubuntu one
[03:33] <PresuntoRJ> ChogyDan: and it said lucid in the name anyway...  gdm2setup-gdm2setup-lucid.list.save
[03:33] <ChogyDan> PresuntoRJ: yeah, probably all old ppa listings
[03:34] <PresuntoRJ> ChogyDan: hence the advise to disable those
[03:34] <PresuntoRJ> ChogyDan: I wonder if they were disabled during the upgrade process at all as they should have been
[03:35] <PresuntoRJ> ChogyDan: but thouse could have cause the strange behavior anywaym so he will try the dpkg and apt check again
[03:36] <ChogyDan> PresuntoRJ: what happened when he ran startx?  I missed that
[03:37] <PresuntoRJ> ChogyDan: I think he never said... :-/
[03:38] <PresuntoRJ> ChogyDan: I think he is on the live-cd to IRC with us, and have to reboot to get to the testing part
[03:38] <PresuntoRJ> ChogyDan: he'll be back
[03:38] <i_is_broke> has there been any issues with nvidia video cards with m&m???
[03:38] <PresuntoRJ> ChogyDan: if there was nothing else to disrupt the upgrade itself, I believe he could try a $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[03:38] <PresuntoRJ> right ?
[03:39] <ChogyDan> PresuntoRJ: I dunno, I've never tried that
[03:40] <ChogyDan> PresuntoRJ: but if startx fails, whatever error msg and Xorg.0.log should give good leads
[03:40] <PresuntoRJ> ChogyDan: that should re-run the installation scripts that usually happen during the upgrade ... after his boot we will learn more
[03:41] <PresuntoRJ> busy repositories ! 3 hours to complete the download for the upgrade ?
[03:41] <PresuntoRJ> wow
[03:52] <coreyteet> PresuntoRJ: Im back again
[03:54] <ChogyDan> coreyteet: can you pastebin the error from startx, and your Xorg.0.log?
[03:54] <coreyteet> i wrote down the errors but i dont have the log :(
[03:55] <coreyteet> Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/extra-modules/nvidia.drv.so
[03:55] <ChogyDan> coreyteet: can you access your /root?
[03:55] <coreyteet> Failed to load module "nvidia" (loader failed, 7)
[03:55] <ChogyDan> was there a message about ABI?
[03:56] <coreyteet> no drivers available
[03:56] <coreyteet> those were my errors
[03:56] <coreyteet> I dont believe so
[03:56] <coreyteet> my root folder? i didnt try
[03:57] <ChogyDan> coreyteet: I mean, I just want you to edit a file  (I assume you are on a live install?)
[03:57] <coreyteet> yes i am
[03:57] <coreyteet> edit a file on my live install?
[03:57] <ChogyDan> coreyteet: sudo mv /root/etc/X11/xorg.conf /root/etc/X11.xorg.conf.no_work
[03:58] <ChogyDan> of course, sub in the actual root location for root
[03:58] <coreyteet> do this at boot on 10.10 or on my live installation?
[03:59] <ChogyDan> coreyteet: the one that is giving those nvidia errors
[04:00] <white_magic> hey, so i delete my main 9.04 partition (which was 2.5gb only), but now i have 2 SWAP partitions. one is 11gb, the other is 181MB
[04:00] <white_magic> i'm not sure which one is for ubuntu 10.10
[04:00] <white_magic> i'd like to delete the one for 9.04..
[04:01] <ChogyDan> white_magic: why do you have an 11g swap partition?
[04:02] <white_magic> i haven't got a clue
[04:02] <white_magic> it's been chosen to be so by default
[04:03] <white_magic> how do i find out which is the one for 10.10 (currently in use)?
[04:03] <ChogyDan> white_magic: I think you can list all your partitions with sudo fdisk -l
[04:03] <white_magic> aha
[04:04] <white_magic> does 10.10 alt disc contain gparted by any chance?
[04:05] <ChogyDan> white_magic: I don't think it does
[04:06] <Doyle> white_magic: you cna boot to it, get online then install it through synaptic
[04:07] <white_magic> well im booted in a 10.10 install, but i dont suppose i can edit a partition that is currently in use
[04:09] <white_magic> on a different note, where is GRUB stored? i thought it would be /boot/grub/menu.lst, but it's not there..
[04:09] <Doyle> white_magic: no... best way, download an image of parted magic, burn it and boot to it
[04:09] <white_magic> is parted magic different from gparted?
[04:09] <Doyle> white_magic: do a 'locate menu.lst' in term
[04:09] <white_magic> ok
[04:10] <white_magic> aha!
[04:10] <Doyle> white_magic: parted magic is a distribution that focuses on disk tools
[04:10] <Doyle> white_magic: I use it to image all the new pc's that come into the office.
[04:10] <white_magic> i dont wanna use my dvd-rw's on it :(
[04:10] <white_magic> wonder if a 1 or 2 year old version of gparted would do
[04:10] <white_magic> for ext4 and ntfs..
[04:11] <white_magic> i think it's grub.d now, not menu.lst
[04:12] <white_magic> wait.. scratch that
[04:15] <ChogyDan> white_magic: it is grub.d under /etc I believe, it is also /boot/grub/grub.cfg I believe
[04:16] <white_magic> yea, well opening grub.cfg, i read that i should be using grub-mkconfig to edit it
[04:16] <white_magic> but it seems that grub-mkconfig is for adding entries
[04:58]  * ChogyDan *yawn*
[06:07] <KukuNut> can't get netbook in vbox.  all I get is the background and x mouse cursor.  any idea how to get past this? tried no splash no modeset..
[06:07] <KukuNut> startx would get me the regular ubuntu
[07:08] <j_r_d> Hey, I made a custom command to run when a cd gets mounted but now I need to change it.....how do I do that? I tried going to file management but the option wasn't there. I'm using 10.10 btw..
[07:08] <j_r_d> Thanks
[07:13] <j_r_d> any ideas?
[07:20] <lucas-arg> hello, im having problems with my bluetooth, ubuntu doesnt recognize it at all
[09:15] <red> Anyone know what could cause login screen to be fading light\purple\light\purple indefinately on Maverick? Started today with apt-get upgrades
[09:15] <red> I could log in by typing username\pw even tho i didnt see the dialogs
[09:15] <red> and after that the screen started functioning properly again
[10:02] <chandru_in> In maverick beta is it not possible to hide rhythmbox window without quitting rhythmbox?
[10:08] <gnomefreak> chandru_in: yes but i dont remember how,i think it is the close button and it will be in the sound dialog
[10:09] <chandru_in> Which close button are you referring to?
[10:14] <gnomefreak> chandru_in: the x tha it should show up in the sound menu
[10:15] <chandru_in> Nope the sound menu has no close button.  I'm running Maverick beta with all updates installed
[10:15] <chandru_in> There is an entry for rhythmbox though
[10:15] <gnomefreak> chandru_in: the sound menu will have ry... in it and you can use the menu to play quit ect...
[10:16] <vish> chandru_in: the close from the window doesnt work?
[10:16] <vish> not the menu..
[10:16] <chandru_in> vish, it quits rhythmbox
[10:16] <chandru_in> gnomefreak, There are options to play, pause and change track
[10:16] <gnomefreak> chandru_in: the rhythmbox entry will still allow you to play since you didnt really quit it.
[10:16] <chandru_in> but none to close
[10:17] <gnomefreak> chandru_in: IIRC you right click on it but let me look
[10:17] <chandru_in> gnomefreak, it does play but was wondering why something which was working fine has been removed
[10:17] <gnomefreak> chandru_in: removed?
[10:18] <chandru_in> I mean ability to close the main window without quitting the whole application
[10:19] <gnomefreak> chandru_in: the main window will be closed and placed in the sound menu
[10:19] <chandru_in> By doing what?
[10:19] <chandru_in> Closing it quits rhythmbox
[10:19] <chandru_in> Ctrl+W minimizes it
[10:20] <gnomefreak> if you open it play or what not. than close the widow by using the x to close the window. than it will show up in sound menu but the gig window is gone, you can close that or wuit it to stop using it
[10:20] <vish> chandru_in: thats odd , it minimizes to the tray here... close from the metacity needs to minimize to the tray
[10:21] <vish> well , alteast that what it does here..
[10:21]  * gnomefreak maybe missunderstanding
[10:22] <gnomefreak> ah ok you can either play it from sound menu or quit by opening the main window to close the app totally
[10:23] <chandru_in> vish, Can you double check whether you have all the latest updates installed?
[10:23] <vish> chandru_in: yup.. just checked now :)
[10:23]  * vish checks again..!
[10:28] <luftikuss> Does maverick provide FreeNX or NX_technology?
[10:44] <jo-erlend> in lucid, I can write messages to facebook, etc, from the panel. I'm not able to do that in maverick. Am I doing something wrong, or has that possibility been removed?
[10:48] <chandru_in> vish, Nothing work.  Closing main window still quits!  :(
[10:55] <JoshuaL> i thought mark said they would do something special with the space in the right of the titlebar in 10.10
[10:55] <JoshuaL> or am i mistaken and will it be in 11.04?
[10:56] <vish> chandru_in: hmm , yeah , i have a bunch of updates , let me install them and try again to isolate if it is due to RB or not..
[10:57] <chandru_in> ok thanks, vish
[10:59] <JoshuaL> jo-erlend, same here, no idea why. maybe they will enable it before release or so
[10:59] <jo-erlend> I hope so. I think that was a very compelling argument for many people.
[12:05] <zniavre_> vish,  RB lose his indicator-app cause it's now inside indicator-sound no ?
[12:06] <vish> zniavre_: yeah..
[12:06] <vish> zniavre_: its now in the sound menu itself..
[12:18] <vega_> hmm, maverick boot hangs if my iphone is plugged in during boot..
[12:50] <tracy69> guys what the temp of the cpu and the gpu should i have running 10.10 on my laptop ?
[12:52] <tracy69> !seen anyone
[13:15] <yofel> tracy69: depends on what apps you're running, and type of machine, my i7 notebook usually runs at cpu core temp ~45°C when idle
[13:15] <yofel> (with ffx, thunderbird, KDE, quassel and one smplayer instance open)
 my run at 29 and it has q9000 cpu so i dont know if that isnt a bit to cold or soemthing
[13:17] <tracy69> and the gpu temp says 24C
[13:17] <vega_> too cold?
[13:17] <tracy69> no?
[13:18] <vega_> i don't think it can be too cold.. :)
[13:18] <tracy69> i odnt know much about gpu cpu temp dont know what the right temp etc
[13:18] <tracy69> better is to have 50C cpu or 20C temp?
[13:19] <yofel> usually, the lower the better
[13:20] <tracy69> i have custom made i mean one company have made for me water cooling pad so im able to reduce the temp to as low as 15C cpu but normally it has from 25 to 29C when playing clips etc
[13:21] <vega_> as long as you don't freeze it .. :)
[13:22] <tracy69> what would happen if the temp dropped to -5C
[13:22] <tracy69> would the cpu die?
[13:22] <vega_> actually, no idea..
[13:22] <tracy69> ok
[13:22] <tracy69> i can go below 0 thats for sure:)
[13:22] <yofel> I doubt that, it would just be unecessarily expensive
[13:23] <vega_> my cpu is 38, gpu 51 at work (home computer is something about the same)
[13:23] <vega_> dell e6500 laptop
[13:23] <tracy69> ok thats not bad i think
[13:25] <tracy69> before the company made the pad for me the cpu was about 55C and the GPU 60 to 65 even when idle thats why i was looking for something to cool this laptop now is ok
[13:27] <tracy69> i have one more questio whats plugin-containe ?
[13:27] <tracy69> what does it do ?
[13:56] <lucas-arg> hello, i have an hp dv6, bluetooth doesnt seem to be working...
[13:56] <lucas-arg> neither was working on 10.04
[13:56] <lucas-arg> but it worked on arch linux...
[13:56] <lucas-arg> i dont know how to solve this problem
[14:18] <Neo_> Hi, I am currently using 10.04. I have a broadcom wireless adapter, for which even the proprietary drivers that ubuntu provides do not work. So, I have compiled the drivers by downloading the source. If I upgrade to 10.10 now, will these drivers have to be recompiled?
[14:20] <Neo_> Hi, I am currently using 10.04. I have a broadcom wireless adapter, for which even the proprietary drivers that ubuntu provides do not work. So, I have compiled the drivers by downloading the source. If I upgrade to 10.10 now, will these drivers have to be recompiled?
[14:20] <yofel> yes, you have to recompile them for every new kernel
[14:20] <yofel> and please don't repeat yourself (at least not until you have waited a few hours)
[14:20] <yofel> left -.-
[14:20] <Neo_> Hi, I am currently using 10.04. I have a broadcom wireless adapter, for which even the proprietary drivers that ubuntu provides do not work. So, I have compiled the drivers by downloading the source. If I upgrade to 10.10 now, will these drivers have to be recompiled?
[14:21] <yofel> yes, you have to recompile them for every new kernel
[14:21] <yofel> and please don't repeat yourself (at least not until you have waited a few hours)
[14:21] <Neo_> sorry about that
[14:21] <yofel> !guidelines
[14:22] <undifined> !pulse
[14:22] <undifined> !pulseaudio
[14:23] <Neo_> yofel, since I already have packages needed for compiling these drivers (build-essential and stuff), I can go ahead and upgrade and then recompile. I wont need internet to download those packages again. Am i right?
[14:24] <willwork4foo> hi all
[14:24] <willwork4foo> does anyone know if the upower bug affecting netbooks has been resolved for 10.10?
[14:24] <yofel> right, you'll only need to rebuid the driver (if it's compatible with 2.35)
[14:24] <vaibhav> i want to change admindir which is used by dpkg, how can i do it
[14:24] <yofel> *rebuild
[14:25] <Neo_> thanks yofel
[14:25] <yofel> vaibhav: there is --admindir=
[14:27] <vaibhav> yofel: i tried it, but it says "no such file or directory", i checked the path it was correct
[14:28] <yofel> hm, then I don't know, I never actually used that
[14:29] <lucas-arg> !bluetooth
[14:29] <vaibhav> yofel: can you suggest me something else, actuall i need to run dpkg and transfer file to a particular location
[14:30] <yofel> what are you trying to do actually? --admindir will tell it to use another place instead of /var/lib/dpkg - what file from there do you need?
[14:30] <lucas-arg> need help with bluetooth... any one?
[14:31] <willwork4foo> anyone know much about upower?
[14:31] <yofel> lucas-arg: unless you tell us what your problem is we won't know if we can help you
[14:32] <vaibhav> yofel : i am using nokiaQt SDK for development; which does not have dpkg of it's own if some how i instruct dpkg (of system) to use the place i want, all my problems will be solved
[14:32] <lucas-arg> yofel: ubuntu is not detecting my card i guess... gnome-bluetooth or whatever its name is, says that i dont have a bluetooth card, but i do...
[14:33] <lucas-arg> yofel: i dont know whats goin on, in arch i had to turn it on via software, but here i dont even know how
[14:34] <ToxinPowe> Anyone knows why Pokerstars doesn't works with wine on Maverick? everything else works fine. :/
[14:34] <yofel> lucas-arg: does lspci or lsusb list a bluetooth device?
[14:34] <luftikuss> For what date is Maverick Beta scheduled?
[14:34] <yofel> vaibhav: erm, do you want to make dpkg install stuff at a specific location, or do you want to make dpkg install the sdk which doesn't have a .deb file?
[14:35] <lucas-arg> yofel: i can paste bin the outputs so u can see... i search it but didnt find it
[14:35] <yofel> luftikuss: see schedule in /topic
[14:35] <vaibhav> yofel: i want dpkg to install stuffs at specific location
[14:35] <yofel> lucas-arg: can you pastebin the output of dmesg instead?
[14:35] <lucas-arg> yofel: sure
[14:36] <yofel> vaibhav: then you'll have to use --root= I think, which will set instdir and admindir
[14:36] <yofel> (see man dpkg)
[14:37] <vaibhav> yofel: it still gave same error ; tried it
[14:37] <lucas-arg> yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/489810/
[14:38] <Daekdroom> !info foomatic-db
[14:38] <Daekdroom> Hm.. dist-upgrade wants to remove it..
[14:39] <yofel> Daekdroom: here too
[14:39] <yofel> lucas-arg: that does list a bluetooth device... what does 'hciconfig' tell you?
[14:40] <lucas-arg> yofel: nothing
[14:41] <yofel> then I'm out of ideas, maybe it recognised the device and removed it immediately again...
[14:41] <lucas-arg> i dont know what to do either
[14:41] <luftikuss> yofel: Thank you.
[14:45] <red> I've got Maverick installed at my personal PC now, set up for my work just the way I want it (apps, settings, themes, firefox addons/customizations etc. etc). What would be the easiest solution in exporting my installed applications and user settings? I know of copying home folder would mostly sort the settings (then just slap a few things from etc to get apache2 etc enviroments too), but how about the apps?
[14:45] <lucas-arg> yofel: in bluez web they say 0.32 version of obexd solve some of my problems...
[14:45] <red> I wan't to use this same installation @workplace :)
[14:46] <yofel> hm, we have 0.31 right now for obexd, not sure if there's still time or a reason to get 0.32 in mav
[14:47] <yofel> red: this should give you a list of all installed packages: dpkg --get-selections | awk '!/deinstall|purge|hold/ {print $1}'
[14:47] <lucas-arg> yofel: well, i have a reason... in arch i was using lastest bluez and it worked ok...
[14:48] <lucas-arg> yofel: otherwise, how am i supposed to use my bluetooth?
[14:49] <yofel> lucas-arg: no idea, 0.32 has already been requested btw. (bug 625544 )
[14:49] <red> yofel: and I can use that list easily to apt-get install stuff?
[14:49] <red> except for manually set up packages (there are just 3 so that is np)
[14:50] <yofel> right, you should be just be able to do 'apt-get install <generated list>'
[14:50] <lucas-arg> yofel: ill have to wait then, thanks
[14:50] <yofel> apt will skip everything that's already installed. only downside: the packages that are installed as deps will be listed as manually and not automatically installed
[14:51] <yofel> so apt-get autoremove won't work
[14:52] <red> yofel: ok thanks, now just to figure how ubuntu will let met to tar my home folder, getting odd error
[14:53] <lucas-arg> yofel: is possible to start obexd manually?
[14:53] <lucas-arg> or bluez
[14:53] <red> "No such file or directory" when ctrl-a @ home dir, then deselecting two folders (dropbox and one other) -> right click -> compress
[14:53] <lucas-arg> all i see in bluetooth in /etc/init.d/
[14:53] <red> Will work as long as hidden files are not shown
[14:54] <yofel> lucas-arg: I don't know, maybe someone else does :/
[14:55] <lucas-arg> ok thanks yofel
[14:56] <red> it was my .wine folder causing that
[14:56] <red> odd :)
[14:58] <Volkodav> So gdebi was changed to ubuntu software center ?
[14:59] <Volkodav> there is no verbose info on it ( at least I did not find)
[15:00] <yofel> software center was changed to be the default for package file installations. gdebi is still there, but not used
[15:01] <lucas-arg> yofel: solve the problem, it was something in my bios for saving energy...
[15:01] <yofel> great...
[15:03] <lucas-arg> is it true that devs want to remove synaptic from cd for ubuntu 11.04?
[15:08] <vaibhav> sayonara
[15:13] <shadeslayer> to answer lucas-arg's question, yes
[15:34] <tacomaster> hello i just upgraded to 10.10 and wine and virtualbox where disabled in my third party software how can i reenable them?
[15:38] <Mike1_> hey! I’ve just read that AMD open-sourced it’s graphics card drivers … are they included in Maverick? Are they working well?
[15:40]  * Mike1_ got a HD4850 (RV770) and I’m wondering if I should try Ubuntu 10.10 beta with KDE SC
[15:42]  * shadeslayer hits Mike1 for not trying KDE SC 4.5.1
[15:42] <Mike1> shadeslayer: which version comes with Maverick?
[15:42] <shadeslayer> 4.5.1 .. i just said that :P
[15:43] <tacomaster> does anyone know a web site i can read about how to turn on the software sources that were disabled in the upgrade to 10.10
[15:43] <Mike1> shadeslayer: I’m wondering if I should try it – meaning I’m about to do it
[15:43] <Mike1> shadeslayer: so no reason to hit me!
[15:43] <shadeslayer> hehe
[15:43] <shadeslayer> Mike1: ok just a few things, install extra wallpapers from the kde wallpaper pack
[15:44] <shadeslayer> the default one is horrible
[15:44] <ToxinPowe> ethais horrible?
[15:44] <shadeslayer> and install kopete-gcall package to get google call support in kopete
[15:44] <shadeslayer> ToxinPowe: yes :(
[15:44] <shadeslayer> i hate that wallpaper...
[15:44] <shadeslayer> ( its just my opinion )
[15:44] <ToxinPowe> shadeslayer, nop the best but not horrible, IMHO =)
[15:44] <Mike1> shadeslayer: The default wallpapers in ubuntu suck too since 10.04, so no surprise for me ;-)
[15:45] <DamienCassou> hi
[15:45] <DamienCassou> I really need sun jre/jdk in maverick. Is it possible?
[15:45] <shadeslayer> Mike1: yes, but ubuntu comes with a nice stack of wallpapers to choose from, kubuntu has just ethias
[15:45] <shadeslayer> DamienCassou: id say install from lucid
[15:45] <DamienCassou> shadeslayer: you mean download various deb files manually and run dpkg?
[15:46] <shadeslayer> DamienCassou: yes
[15:46] <Mike1> shadeslayer: the Wallpapers in Ubuntu are nice photos, but they are bad as wallpapers (if you use stuff like desktop icons etc)
[15:46] <DamienCassou> shadeslayer: thank you
[15:46] <shadeslayer> i wouldnt recommend it, but seeing that the packages are not in the repo.. thats your best bet
[15:47] <tacomaster> does anyone know how to reenable software sources that have been disabled with a upgrade?
[15:47] <shadeslayer> Mike1: didnt try out ubuntu for that long... <3 kde too much :D
[15:47] <shadeslayer> tacomaster: via synaptic ?
[15:47] <shadeslayer> IIRC its under repositories
[15:47] <tacomaster> shadeslayer: so reinstall them?
[15:47] <shadeslayer> no
[15:48] <shadeslayer> tacomaster: just re-enable them if  you did a upgrade
[15:48] <Mike1> or tinker around in the /etc/apt directory
[15:48] <shadeslayer> or that if you know what your doing
[15:49] <tacomaster> shadeslayer: there not disabled in synaptic there disabled in software sources under the other software tab
[15:49] <tacomaster> shadeslayer: the two programs are wine and virtualbox
[15:50] <shadeslayer> tacomaster: my first question is why do you need the wine repo?
[15:50] <shadeslayer> and  if im not mistaken vbox is in archives as well
[15:50] <tacomaster> to update wine as newer versions come out
[15:53] <shadeslayer> well.. go lp page of ppa and add manually if you cant re-enable then
[16:06] <atrus> tacomaster: maybe they weren't disabled, but ubuntu just has a newer version, so it's using that? in which case, there may be an updated software-source to go along wtith it...
[16:06] <tacomaster> atrus: it was when i tried to update that it said something along the lines of cant update repo disabled
[16:07] <charlie-tca> Is there a version available for Maverick, or is the version lucid?
[16:07] <charlie-tca> It won't auto enable anything for lucid
[16:10] <killer999> I got a problem...the option for turning off bluetooth from indicator applet is gone...how do i turn off bluetooth
[16:14] <herbs> yellow
[16:15] <DamienCassou> shadeslayer: thank you. Java now works perfectly on maverick
[16:16] <herbs> boo
[16:16] <shadeslayer> DamienCassou: oh great! :D
[16:16] <shadeslayer> herbs: 0_o
[16:16] <shadeslayer> he really needed it..
[16:16] <killer999> I got a problem...the option for turning off bluetooth from indicator applet is gone...how do i turn off bluetooth
[16:17] <DamienCassou> during the install of maverick, I choosed 'USA International (with dead keys)' as my keyboard layout. Once installed, I then choose 'USA International (ALTGr dead keys)'. I want to remove the first layout to use only the first one. However, after each reboot the first layout comes back
[16:25] <tacomaster> ok so if i have 10.10 can i delete everything in my /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ that has lucid in it?
[16:27] <charlie-tca> Pretty much. I use VirtualBox PEUL edition, and there is none yet for Maverick. I have a sources line that uses lucid for it instead of Maverick
[16:28] <tacomaster> mine are mostly wine-ppa's
[16:29] <charlie-tca> I don't know wine enough to say if you can use them or not.
[16:29] <charlie-tca> Have you checked for the wine version in maverick?
[16:30] <tacomaster> no not yet but when i try to sudo apt-get update it gives me errors on everything of mine that has lucid in it in this file
[16:31] <tacomaster> im just making sure i wont break my system if i delete them
[16:31] <gnomefreak> back the folder up (rename) than update
[16:32] <EagleScreen> hello
[16:32] <EagleScreen> here using Kubuntu maverick
[16:33] <EagleScreen> I cannot change the locales to en-GB.utf8
[16:56] <Mike1> yay, i crashed plasma =)
[16:56] <shadeslayer> Mike1: :O
[16:57] <shadeslayer> what did you do???
[16:57] <Mike1> added a plasma widget
[16:57] <charlie-tca> tacomaster: you can always manually edit the /etc/apt/sources.list and comment those lines with lucid. Just add #  in front of them.
[16:57] <Mike1> (just trying all of them ;) )
[16:58] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[16:58] <shadeslayer> i know what happened
[16:58] <shadeslayer> its the network manager plasmoid
[16:59] <Mike1> nope, that one works
[17:00] <Mike1> what do you need a web browser plasmoid for? oO
[17:00]  * Mike1 is playing with bouncy ball :D
[17:01] <Mike1> mhhh, with auto refresh it’s useful
[17:01] <Mike1> and rekonq is damn fast by the way =)
[17:04] <Mike1> the installer is nice =)
[17:04] <Mike1> though the manual partition selection thingy could be bigger
[17:07] <Mike1> argh, wrong username -_-
[17:43] <Lars_G> Hey all.
[17:43] <Lars_G> Congrat me
[17:44] <Lars_G> I foobared my machine slightly with meerkat :D
[17:44] <Lars_G> Just a word of advice. don't take your "tends to hang up in it's bag due to heat" laptop with you during the package configuration part of a dist upgrade
[17:45] <charlie-tca> nice :-(
[17:48] <Lars_G> Let's see if dpkg --configure -a helps
[17:59] <sinman> how can i se if ubuntu 10.10 will have the wireless driver for my wireless adapter?
[17:59] <bjsnider> what is your wireless adapter?
[17:59] <sinman> D-Link DWA-130
[17:59] <bjsnider> 130? how old is that?
[18:00] <shadeslayer> Mike1: go look in the about rekonq section, im one of the authors, thanks :D
[18:00] <sinman> it's not that old because it can be use as N instead of b or g
[18:00] <sinman> if i have a wireless N router
[18:01] <bjsnider> are you currently running linux?
[18:01] <sinman> yes ubuntu 10.04 I had to use the ndiswrapper to install the windows driver for it
[18:01] <shadeslayer> sinman: download ubuntu 10.10 > put it on USB/CD > try it out
[18:01] <shadeslayer> thats the best way
[18:02] <shadeslayer> Mike1: even has apturl support :)
[18:02] <shadeslayer> ( incase you even use it :P )
[18:03] <sinman> shadeslayer: ok but before i install it I would need to do a fresh install of 10.04 and change the partition size of my one of myu storage partition
[18:03] <shadeslayer> sinman: erm.. you dont need to install it
[18:03] <shadeslayer> you can check via the live CD
[18:03] <sinman> k
[18:04] <shadeslayer> if it works on the live CD itll work on the installed system
[18:04] <sinman> nice
[18:04] <sinman> then im off to ubuntu site and download 10.10
[18:04] <sinman> thanxs shadeslayer
[18:05] <Mike1> how can I set a „primary” display? It just asumes that DVI-0 is where I want to have the panel etc. but that’s wrong
[18:05] <bjsnider> that won't work. his device still has no native driver
[18:06] <shadeslayer> Mike1: in kde?
[18:07] <Mike1> shadeslayer: yes
[18:07] <shadeslayer> Mike1: K > System Settings > Display and Monitor
[18:09] <Mike1> yes, and there I have DVI-0 and DVI-1
[18:09] <Mike1> and the problem is that I want the panel etc. at the display connected to DVI-1
[18:10] <shadeslayer> Mike1: can you post a screenshot of the Multiple Monitors dialog ?
[18:11] <Mike1> let me configure quassel ;-)
[18:11] <shadeslayer> :D
[18:12] <Mike1> how to seperate the channels in „Join Channels Automatically”? Space? Comma?
[18:12] <Pici> Mike1: Commas genreally.
[18:12] <Pici> generally too.
[18:13] <Mike1_> *ping*
[18:14] <shadeslayer> Mike1: usually i add one channel in one line
[18:14] <shadeslayer> Mike1_: pong
[18:14] <Mike1_> where can I find the setting after the first start?
[18:15] <Mike1_> for the Channels to join automatically
[18:16] <shadeslayer> Mike1_: Settings > configure
[18:16] <Mike1_> and there?
[18:17] <Mike1_> in „Networks” I can only set the server I want to connect to
[18:17] <Mike1_> or do I have to put /join #foobar into the command list?
[18:17] <IdleOne> select the server and click edit
[18:17] <IdleOne> should have a autojoin filed
[18:17] <Mike1_> got no such field
[18:18] <IdleOne> what client?
[18:18] <Mike1_> Quassel
[18:18] <IdleOne> ahh
[18:18] <Mike1_> Version: v0.7-rc1 (dist-a504e9f)
[18:19] <IdleOne> http://bugs.quassel-irc.org/projects/1/wiki/FAQ  second question
[18:21] <Mike1_> oh
[18:25] <Mike1_> shadeslayer: http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=snapshot1jkrc.png
[18:26] <shadeslayer> no idea.. #kubuntu-devel or #kde
[18:27] <Mike1_> I could just set it with xrandr ;-)
[18:28] <Mike1_> or not
[18:29] <Mike1_> ah, got it
[18:29] <Mike1_> xrandr --output DVI-1 --primary
[18:33] <Mike1_> is there a way to display „Chats” as Tabs in Quassel? Like it’s possible in Konversation (or at least was back in KDE3.5 times)
[18:33] <Mike1_> and I also don’t like how it breaks my lines
[18:36] <Mike1_> let’s install firefox
[18:36] <Mike1_> and konversation and/or irssi
[18:42] <EagleScreen_> ig language-selector is broken, can I change locales in other way?
[18:46] <IdleOne> !locales | EagleScreen_
[18:49] <Mike1__> „Switch to classic menu style” makes my KMenu unusable -_-
[18:50] <Mike1__> arghhhhhhhh
[18:50] <Mike1__> customizing the panel is really not easy -_-
[18:59] <Mike1_> yay, Konversation is still as great as in the good old days =)
[19:00] <yofel> Mike1_: what's the issue with line breaking?
[19:00] <yofel> (in quassel)
[19:01] <EagleScreen_> IdleOne: localepurge does nothing
[19:01] <Mike1_> yofel: it should break per word and not per character
[19:02] <yofel> it breaks per word, if it breaks for you like 'tes\nt' then that's a known bug with quassel and qt4.7beta, rc1 should have fixed that though
[19:03] <Mike1_> oh
[19:03] <Mike1_> but I prefer the tabs of Konversation anyways, so no chance for Quassel
[19:03] <yofel> heh, np, konversation is nice, I'm using quassel as I have core and client seperate
[19:07] <Mike1_> now I just have to get pulseaudio running
[19:07] <Lars_G> seems dpkg --configure -a is fixing it all
[19:07] <Lars_G> thanks
[19:08] <st__> why windows xp installer from 2001 works without a hitch, but maverick one always has some stupid problem which borks installed system?
[19:08] <Lars_G> st__: trolling is not gonna help much.
[19:09] <st__> it even had an exception once, during dpkg configure phase
[19:09] <Pici> st__: And did you log a bug?
[19:10] <st__> st__, no, it gave an exception and terminated, i had no option to submit a bug
[19:13] <st__> btw we were promised a gtk theme with transparency and new font in lucid, but it's still not in maverick
[19:16] <st__> and I still waiting for atheros wireless and SYS Mirage video support, but it's not here
[19:19] <Lars_G> With the new unity, for netbooks
[19:19] <Lars_G> do we still use netbook-launcher ? or another thing?
[19:31] <Tsims> Can someone help me please
[19:31] <Tsims> I just updated to 10.10 and the only way i can launch the desktop is in failsafe graphics mode
[19:31] <Mike1_> what graphics card do you have, Tsims?
[19:32] <Tsims> Nvidia
[19:32] <Mike1_> mhhhh, looks like that’s currently a problem ;-)
[19:32] <Mike1_> friend of mine has troubles too
[19:32] <Mike1_> though I don’t know details
[19:33] <Tsims> it just boots in text and asks me for login
[19:33] <Tsims> no solutions yet?
[19:33] <Mike1_> I just asked him if and how he fixed it
[19:34] <Mike1_> let’s wait for the answer and google for it in the meantime ;-)
[19:34] <Tsims> awesome, let me know thanks
[19:36] <tacomaster> ok quick question if i have kernel version 2.6.35 but now some programs dont work and need to get a different kernel version what should i do upgrade the kernel (2.6.36) or go back a kernel?
[19:36] <Mike1_> Tsims: does the additional drivers thingy over you something? Jockey is it’s name
[19:37] <Tsims> N: Ignoring file 'docky-core-ppa-lucid.list.distUpgrade' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension
[19:37] <Tsims> N: Ignoring file 'playdeb.list.save' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension
[19:37] <Tsims> N: Ignoring file 'playdeb.list.distUpgrade' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension
[19:37] <Tsims> N: Ignoring file 'swiftfox.list.distUpgrade' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension
[19:37] <Tsims> N: Ignoring file 'nvidia-vdpau-ppa-lucid.list.distUpgrade' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension
[19:37] <Tsims> N: Ignoring file 'docky-core-ppa-lucid.list.save' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension
[19:37] <sebsebseb> Hi
[19:38] <Tsims> i just ran a sudo update and got this
[19:39] <cwillu_at_work> !info inkscape
[19:40] <cwillu_at_work> :/
[19:40] <Mike1_> Tsims: the friend I mentioned decided to wait for an update and uses the free noveau driver for now
[19:40] <Mike1_> Tsims: but it looks like he only got problems because he uses a custom kernel
[19:40] <Tsims> hmm, ill try and figure it out
[19:40] <Tsims> thanks for the help!
[19:53] <Mike1_> oh noes -_-
[19:53] <Mike1_> Battle for Wesnoth does not work well with two displays
[19:55] <Mike1_> it assumes the two displays as one with a resolution of 3200x1200px -_-
[19:56] <Mike1_> →setting the 1920x1200px of the display I want to play it at centers it right were the borders of the displays meet
[20:00] <dihae> hello. since upgrading to maverick, KDE desktop effects do not work anymore. Direct rendering is still activated, but systemssettings just says:  "Desktop effects are not available on this system due to the following technical issues", and then just doesn't give any reason at all.
[20:00] <tacomaster> if some stuff broke when upgradeing to 10.10 because of the kernel being 2.6.35 is there any way to go back to 2.6.32
[20:00] <dihae> Using the opensource radeon driver, and also tried to enable/disable KMS, but that didn't help obviously
[20:02] <yofel> tacomaster: officially not, but you could install the lucid kernel. I can't guarantee that it will work flawlessly though (and please file a bug about your 35 issue first)
[20:02] <Lars_G> Will 10.10 final stay with .35? or we might see .36?
[20:03] <yofel> 35
[20:03] <Lars_G> ok. thanks
[20:03] <tacomaster> yofel: its just a problem with wine not working with some games its all over the winehq website
[20:03] <yofel> tacomaster: oh, ptrace?
[20:03] <Lars_G> FINALLY! dpkg --configure -a finished! I'll go load .35 :P
[20:03] <Lars_G> yofel: Say, we use unity now, instead of netbook-launcher... right?
[20:04] <tacomaster> yofel: world of warcraft stops working after kernel 2.6.32
[20:04] <yofel> afaik yes, but I've never used unity
[20:04] <Lars_G> ok
[20:04] <tacomaster> yofel: so its not ubuntu's fault i just want to play the game
[20:04] <yofel> tacomaster: mom, let's try something
[20:05] <tacomaster> yofel: what do you want to try
[20:05] <yofel> tacomaster: can you try to run 'echo 0 | sudo tee /proc/sys/kernel/yama/ptrace_scope' in a terminal and see if it works then? If it works edit /etc/sysctl.d/10-ptrace.conf to make the change permanent
[20:06] <dihae> any ideas?
[20:06] <tacomaster> yofel: do i need the single quotes?
[20:06] <yofel> tacomaster: no
[20:06] <yofel> (and note that this is set for a reason -  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Roadmap/KernelHardening#PTRACE Protection)
[20:06] <Lars_G> yofel: wouldn't sysctl -w be easier than echo and tee?
[20:07] <yofel> Lars_G: now that you mention it, meh :P
[20:07] <dihae> not that desktop effects are all that important, but since I can change the Qt graphicssystem to OpenGL (even raster issignificantly faster), it would be nice to get it all working
[20:08] <yofel> dihae: not sure, I only own nvidia and intel cards, and KDE works fine there (well, mostly)
[20:08] <yofel> checked if it says anything in ~/.xsession-errors (check the end of the file after trying to enable effects)
[20:09] <tacomaster> yofel: i have no idea what you told me to do but it worked so far tyvm lifesaver
[20:10] <yofel> tacomaster: see the wiki page I posted, it's a security 'feature'
[20:10] <tacomaster> yofel: do i need to do something everytime i open wow?
[20:10] <tacomaster> or is it fixed for good?
[20:10] <yofel> tacomaster: no, if you change it in /etc/sysctl.d/10-ptrace.conf then it will stay
[20:11] <yofel> then again
[20:11] <yofel> you probably only should set it while playing wow
[20:11] <yofel> depends on how much you care about security
[20:12] <tacomaster> yofel:  "echo 0 | sudo tee /proc/sys/kernel/yama/ptrace_scope" is the thing i typed in does that change it in /etc/sysctl.d/10-ptrace.conf?
[20:12] <yofel> no
[20:12] <dihae> yofel: this is what I got from .xsession-errors: http://pastebin.com/XB6EDyAW
[20:13] <yofel> ok, I have no clue why it says 'KWin has detected that your OpenGL library is unsafe to use'
[20:14] <dihae> yofel: me neither
[20:14] <tacomaster> yofel: so you recomend just type in that command everytime i want to play wow?
[20:15] <yofel> yes
[20:19] <dihae> yofel: the only thing I came across that could fix it, is removing every CheckIs* line from kwinrc. But as there also is a GUI option for that, it doesn't work either :)
[20:21] <yofel> as I said, no idea, actually... you could ask in #kubuntu-devel if they know what you should file a bug against
[20:22] <dihae> yofel: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=226791
[20:23] <yofel> ok...
[20:38] <duffydack> not really digging the arrows next to each folder in nautilus.  can I remove them?
[21:02] <Lars_G> I've hit jackpot
[21:02] <Lars_G> Unity is slow as hell, and plasma-netbook sigfaults!
[21:02] <Lars_G> \o/
[21:03] <Lars_G> Being on the beta, are the repos the same for builds/fixes between betas?
[21:03] <Lars_G> I'd like to switch to dailies until final
[21:04] <tacomaster> yofel: ok i finally read that page fully and i understand what you were talking about with that being a problem enabling ptrace other than when i use wow how do i turn the ptrace protection back to normal after i finish playing wow
[21:04] <yofel> tacomaster: set the value back to 1 again
[21:05] <tacomaster> yofel: so "echo 1 | blah blah" to get it back on
[21:07] <tacomaster> yofel: "echo 1 | sudo tee /proc/sys/kernel/yama/ptrace_scope" turns ptrace back on?
[21:07] <yofel> right, or as Lars said, you could use "sudo sysctl -w kernel.yama.ptrace_scope=1" too
[21:07] <tacomaster> yofel: is that way better or do they do the same function the same way?
[21:08] <Lars_G> Is there a kubuntu+1?
[21:08] <Lars_G> or tips on how to speed up netbook ui on gnome?
[21:08] <Lars_G> I think I'll go xfce :P
[21:08] <yofel> Lars_G: kubuntu+1 redirects to here
[21:08] <Mike1> Lars_G: there is no netbook ui with xfce =P
[21:09] <Lars_G> Mike1: Everything's a netbook UI with xfce :P
[21:09] <yofel> tacomaster: they do the same thing, only difference is that it's one command, and I used 2 connected by pipe
[21:09] <Mike1> Lars_G: and the netbook ui does not need to be fast because you can’t move around windows etc. anyways
[21:09] <Mike1> s/can’t/don’t
[21:09] <Lars_G> So right now, plasma-netbook sigfaults on me, and both 2d and 3d gnome netbook uis are too slow to use
[21:10] <yofel> Lars_G: you could go to #kubuntu-devel for debugging help, do you get a backtrace of the crash?
[21:10] <Mike1> what’s slow with them?
[21:10] <Lars_G> Mike1: Yeah but when I click on an icon I want it to open an app rather than waiting 25 seconds to then cause lot's of crash reports
[21:10] <Lars_G> :D
[21:10] <Lars_G> yofel: I do
[21:10] <Mike1> Lars_G: oh, that’s bad
[21:10] <yermandu> configure: error: glib-compile-schemas not found.
[21:10] <tacomaster> yofel: ok ty so much for all you have helped me with today really wish i knew enough to be able to help you back but still to new in linux but do know a bit about cisco if you ever need :P
[21:10] <yermandu> what is the package that contain this files
[21:11] <Lars_G> first things first, is the repos used for the beta the dailies ones?
[21:11] <yofel> tacomaster: heh, I'll come back to that if I'll need to :P
[21:11] <Lars_G> I want to update stuff as it comes out, between betas
[21:11] <yofel> Lars_G: for  maverick? we don't have a beta repos, the archive is updated as soon as packages come out
[21:12] <tacomaster> does anyone know if this is suppost to be when i upgraded i lost my system > admin > software sources
[21:12] <Lars_G> good. thanks yofel
[21:12] <Lars_G> I might be able to use the machine in a day or two :D
[21:12] <Lars_G> :P
[21:13] <Lars_G> What was the channel?
[21:13] <Lars_G> ah
[21:13] <Lars_G> saw it
[21:14] <yofel> yermandu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/489998/
[21:16] <tacomaster> yofel: is something wrong if i dont have the button under system > admin > software sources?
[21:17] <yofel> not sure, I don't use gnome, maybe it was integrated into software center?
[21:17] <tacomaster> yofel: thats what im saying software center is gone
[21:18] <yofel> software sources isn't software center, but was a button for software-properties-gtk
[21:18] <Lars_G> heh
[21:18] <Lars_G> yofel: found one of your reports... you were reporting the crash dialog is not useful :) for the same crash I have
[21:18] <Lars_G> Ah it's not yours
[21:19] <Lars_G> you comment on it
[21:19] <yofel> bug number?
[21:19] <tacomaster> yofel: where ever you add your ppa's for wine and stuff like that
[21:19] <Lars_G> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/603716
[21:20] <yofel> oh, *that* one, that's fix for most cases, at least your backtrace looks somewhat useful, can you click on install debugging symbols if it's there?
[21:21] <yermandu> yofel: i think i have this packages but the folder is empty
[21:22] <Lars_G> sure
[21:22] <Lars_G> would the crash have anything to do with ptrace?
[21:22] <yofel> Lars_G: no, if you were affected by the ptrace bug, you wouldn't even have a backtrace!
[21:23] <Lars_G> Installing
[21:23] <yofel> tacomaster: can you check if the 'software-center' package is installed?
[21:24] <yofel> tacomaster: also, from the last software-properties changelog: "  * data/software-properties-gtk.desktop.in: desktop file is now really hidden (LP: #624072)"
[21:24] <yofel> that seems to have removed the entry
[21:24] <yofel> bug 624072
[21:24] <tacomaster> yea when i type software-center i get that but i dont think thats what im looking for
[21:26] <yofel> tacomaster: you can open it from software-center -> edit -> software sources
[21:27] <tacomaster> yofel: ok ty i see it now
[21:30] <Lars_G> Ok the video in kde is seriously foobared
[21:36] <Karen_m> my MOUSE stopped working;  wired usb mouse.   I tried it in another computer, mouse works.  I plug it back in, it isn't even sending power to the mouse
[21:36] <Karen_m> never had this issue on lucid, now it's here with maverick
[21:39] <Lars_G> I think composite's seizuring
[21:39] <Lars_G> Karen_m: the no power is very very odd.
[21:39] <Lars_G> I'd check dmesg for errors when plugging in the mouse, and make a report
[21:44]  * Lars_G prays .35 fixed acpi for his netbook
[21:44] <Lars_G> I've spent all of Lucid with a non working lid switch
[21:44] <Lars_G> And no enough mojo to fix it
[21:44] <Lars_G> Maybe if I someday take the 2 months of vacations I've accumulated.
[21:54] <EagleScreen> hello
[21:55] <EagleScreen> language-selector seems to be broken, how can I change locales?
[22:00]  * Lars_G languishes
[22:06] <Andre_Gondim> my friends is dev of ubuntu games and he wants to know how add the picture in software center, cause now is showing the software, but no picture
[22:15] <Volkodav> Xorg CPU usage is through the roof
[22:16] <yofel> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/HighCPU
[22:19] <Volkodav> hmm no errors in logs might be compiz
[22:20] <Volkodav> everything else is normal
[22:20] <navjot> Guys, I just download ubuntu 10.10, and the grub menu.lst is empty, and grub doesnt even show up!
[22:21] <yofel> !grub2 | navjot
[22:21] <yofel> it's hidden by default now
[22:21] <yofel> I mean *completely* hidden
[22:24] <navjot> ok so how do I boot into windows
[22:24] <navjot> when grub doesnt show
[22:25] <Volkodav> you don't
[22:25] <navjot> so i cant boot into windows unless I uninstall ubuntu
[22:25] <EagleScreen> negative, navjot
[22:25] <navjot> so what do I do :D
[22:25] <Volkodav> what's wrong with grub ?
[22:25] <EagleScreen> and how would you uninstall Ubuntu?
[22:25] <navjot> It doesnt show up
[22:26] <Volkodav> tried Esc at boot ?
[22:26] <Volkodav> maybe you installed over windows ?
[22:26] <duffydack> navjot, shift to show grub
[22:26] <Volkodav> then grub will not show
[22:26] <navjot> no i didnt install over windows
[22:27] <navjot> I accesed my windows partition, everything is still there
[22:27] <navjot> ok ill try shift
[22:28] <navjot> well there was no entery for windows
[22:29] <navjot> :(
[22:29] <EagleScreen> navjot: do not panic
[22:29] <navjot> how would I add it in :D
[22:29] <navjot> Im not panicking :l
[22:29] <navjot> sorry if im asking too much stuff :|
[22:30] <EagleScreen> navjot: install libdebian-installer4 package on first
[22:30] <yofel> navjot: does 'sudo update-grub' list the ubuntu entry? (it runs os-prober)
[22:30] <navjot> oll try
[22:30] <yofel> er... windows entry
[22:30] <EagleScreen> and later run update-grub
[22:31] <navjot> ok it update
[22:31] <navjot> I selected package maintainers version
[22:31] <EagleScreen> well done
[22:32] <navjot>  So it should work?
[22:33] <navjot> do you want me to paste what it gives me or something?
[22:33] <navjot> :S
[22:33] <EagleScreen> navjot: when you run update-grub, it shows the found OS, did it showd Windows?
[22:34] <q_> mousetrap crashes for me, once it tries to get or process my webcams image (segmentation fault). No webcam image is shown, with webcam disabled the program starts up normally.
[22:35] <q_> as I'm not diabled,so it's not as important ^^, but if there is a quick solution, let me now
[22:36] <yofel> q_: did you report the crash?
[22:36] <navjot> this is what I get, eaglescreen: http://pastebin.com/aDjwk6bJ
[22:37] <yofel> navjot: you are using maverick, right?
[22:37] <q_> yofel, no. as a bugreport? I now think it's definitly an program error (covering my webcam makes the program fail to detect any recognition matches and it does *not* crash)
[22:37] <q_> still no image
[22:37] <navjot> I thought this was for ubuntu 10.10?
[22:37] <navjot> :o
[22:38] <navjot> are they same thing
[22:38] <navjot> sorry I are nub
[22:38] <EagleScreen> navjot: you must see something like this http://pastebin.ca/1935320
[22:38] <yofel> navjot: well, maverick doesn't use grub, but grub2, so you shouldn't have a menu.lst
[22:38] <q_> yofel, one could say, as soon as it sees my face it hangs itself :,(
[22:39] <yofel> heh, can you report it please?
[22:39] <EagleScreen> navjot: how did you install this maverick?
[22:39] <q_> yofel, i can, as a bugreport, right? (never did this)
[22:39] <q_> on launchpad
[22:39] <navjot> cd
[22:40] <navjot> I chose partitions manually
[22:40] <EagleScreen> navjot: which CD?
[22:40] <yofel> q_: right, you'll need a LP account. Let apport upload the crash data and later fill in how you got it to crash
[22:40] <EagleScreen> Live CD? the beta? the alpha?
[22:41] <EagleScreen> navjot: just install libdebian-installer4, run update-grub and reboot and see
[22:41] <q_> yofel, how do i get apport to do so?
[22:41] <navjot> I did this: sudo aptitude install grub-pc
[22:41] <navjot> nao i think i ahve grub 2?
[22:42] <yofel> q_: open /var/crash in nautilus and click on the mousetrap .crash file
[22:42] <q_> ah ok, ty
[22:43] <yofel> navjot: do what EagleScreen said for now
[22:44] <navjot> ok just gotta reboot
[22:44] <AnAnt> pc speaker not working in maverick ?
[22:44] <AnAnt> anyways has this issue ?
[22:44] <EagleScreen> AnAnt: turn on your speakers
[22:45] <EagleScreen> AnAnt: check the audio cable
[22:45] <AnAnt> EagleScreen: it worked in lucid
[22:45] <EagleScreen> AnAnt: check the volume slider (all of them)
[22:45] <AnAnt> btw, I am talking about the beeps
[22:45] <EagleScreen> oh
[22:45] <EagleScreen> you want the bips?
[22:46] <AnAnt> the beeps
[22:46] <navjot> ok so
[22:46] <navjot> I did it all
[22:46] <EagleScreen> AnAnt: install beep package and test the beep speaker
[22:47] <EagleScreen> navjot: what is the result?
[22:48] <navjot> well grub just had the same options
[22:48] <AnAnt> EagleScreen: well, it used to work in Lucid
[22:48] <AnAnt> now it doesn't work in maverick
[22:48] <EagleScreen> AnAnt: which software uses beeps?
[22:49] <navjot> well now : http://pastebin.com/5TUQQs8r
[22:49] <AnAnt> oh dear
[22:49] <EagleScreen> navjot: did you install libdebian-installer4?
[22:49] <navjot> yes
[22:50] <EagleScreen> ok, you may ahve to add Windows entry manually
[22:50] <navjot> ok I tried that with the menu.lst
[22:50] <navjot> but I realized that grub 2 doesnt use that
[22:50] <EagleScreen> not
[22:51] <EagleScreen> grub2 works differnet
[22:51] <navjot> ok so
[22:51] <navjot> online tut link?
[22:51] <navjot> ill google first
[22:51] <navjot> ;)
[22:52] <EagleScreen> navjot: you must add it to /etc/grub.d/40_custom
[22:53] <EagleScreen> navjot: you must add an entry like this: http://pastebin.ca/1935328 but following your partitions numbers and so
[22:55] <navjot> is there a way to find out my partition number?
[22:58] <navjot> will this work EagleScreen :  sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda
[23:00] <EagleScreen> that is to see information about sda, I think
[23:01] <navjot> so sda2 isnt partition 2?
[23:02] <EagleScreen> yes it is
[23:02] <EagleScreen> sda is the first disk
[23:03] <EagleScreen> and sda2 is the second partition in the first disk
[23:03] <navjot> oh ok
[23:03] <navjot> i update grub
[23:03] <EagleScreen> sudo fdisk -l
[23:03] <navjot> so now i restart
[23:03] <navjot> right?
[23:03] <EagleScreen> navjot: wait
[23:03] <navjot> ok
[23:03] <EagleScreen> did you add it to 40_custom and run sudo update-grub?
[23:04] <navjot> yes
[23:04] <EagleScreen> open file /boot/grub/grub.cfg and look for your new entry
[23:05] <navjot> ok
[23:05] <navjot> i see it
[23:07] <EagleScreen> ok reboot and you will seee it
[23:07] <navjot> ok
[23:33] <Maro_> Hey guys, in netbook edition is there a way of adding network shares to the favourites without going into the terminal?
[23:33] <androidbruce|lap> hey gys
[23:33] <androidbruce|lap> guys**
[23:33] <androidbruce|lap> i just installed 10.10 beta
[23:35] <Maro_> Anyone got any idea how to access network shares in the netbook edition using the GUI interface? I can't even access the regular file system to be honest...
[23:37] <q_> yofel, damn, i reported the bug as effecting "mousetrap" which is a game instead of "gnome-moustrap". how can I move it?
[23:37] <q_> in launchpad
[23:37] <yofel> q_: didn't apport fill in the correct package?
[23:37] <yofel> q_: click on the arrow beside 'mousetrap (Ubuntu)' and edit  the package field
[23:38] <q_> yofel, apport filled in "pyton"
[23:38] <yofel> hm...
[23:39] <Maro_> Seriously, someone must know if its possible to access the network or the raw filesystem in the Unity interface...
[23:44] <killer999> appmenu memory leak is fixed?
[23:46] <xcyclist> Okay, I have 10.10 up, and mostly it's going.  Right now I'm seeing Chromium only after my Chromium install, and the Chrome install is not visible.
[23:47] <xcyclist> I tried a reinstall of Chrome, and it did not change this.
[23:48] <xcyclist> Looks like nobody is here, so I'm going to try rebooting, and then come back.
[23:55] <xcyclist> I am unable to get a regular Chrome Install on MM since I installed Chromium.
[23:56] <Joelio> Hi, I'm unable to connect an openvpn server..  (IP Config Get) timeout exceeded.
[23:57] <Joelio> Tried this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=524989
[23:57] <Joelio> Exactly the same config on Lucid works
[23:57] <Joelio> just about to break out wireshark but seeing if it's a common bug
[23:58] <xcyclist> Is there an intentional feature to prevent simultaneous installs of both Chromium and Chrome?
[23:59] <xcyclist> Or, I should say, is there an intentional feature to prevent Chrome installs after a Chromium install, and to replace a Chrome install with a Chromium install?
[23:59] <yofel> xcyclist: not that I know of, what are their package names?
[23:59] <jjcm> xcyclist: not that I've ever heard of
[23:59] <jjcm> I always install both side by yside


[16:53] <Eickmeyer> *sigh* bug 1991418
[16:53] <Eickmeyer> I don't know why I even bother.
[16:54] <arraybolt3[m]> ...wow.
[16:56] <Eickmeyer> I didn't think I was out-of-line at all.
[16:56] <Eickmeyer> It wasn't even a warning, just a friendly reminder.
[16:57] <arraybolt3[m]> People don't ever like being told they did things wrong.
[16:58] <Eickmeyer> Sure, but I mean, that was a clear overreaction.
[17:00] <Eickmeyer> Seems like they have other beef with Ubuntu, and I just pushed them over the edge.
[17:00] <arraybolt3[m]> Sigh. And now I have an antagonistic crazy person fighting me over in Matrix HQ.
[17:01] <arraybolt3[m]> Well, they do have a point about the packaging I guess. I'll take a look at it.
[17:02] <Eickmeyer> They do, and I addressed it.
[17:19] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: Finally, after the marathon this has been, artwork has been uploaded to Kinetic.
[17:19] <arraybolt3[m]> \o/
[17:24] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: lubuntu-artwork (kinetic-proposed/universe) [22.10.1 => 22.10.2] (lubuntu)
[17:34] <Eickmeyer[m]> I sent a letter of apology regardless.
[17:49] <arraybolt3[m]> How concerned should I be that the VLC signing key is expired? I'm trying to build VLC from the Kinetic packaging and am in security paranoia mode.
[17:50] <arraybolt3[m]> (Plus it has some warning about a SHA1 key when I go to build it.)
[17:51] <arraybolt3[m]> (And I can use GPG to verify it myself, but it gives me "key expired" warnings when I try to.)
[17:56] <RikMills> the comments in both bugs suggest to me that it you checkout the upstream git tag, bootstrap, and build with whatever the upstream wants as default options, it works
[17:57] <RikMills> pass the debian packaging build options to configure on the same thing, and the issue is there
[17:57] <arraybolt3[m]> So hopefully I just need to change the packaging build options to whatever upstream wants?
[17:58] <RikMills> or find the option debian is enabling that causes the issue
[17:59] <arraybolt3[m]> Which appears to be --disable-libva.
[17:59] <RikMills> arraybolt3[m]: well, I built the jammy package for jammy passing that, and it worked ok
[18:01] <RikMills> so not sure that is the issue, or if it is, not all of it
[18:02] <RikMills> anyway, if we enable libva in kinetic with ffmpeg5, it will just FTBFS
[18:02] <arraybolt3[m]> argh
[18:03] <arraybolt3[m]> (Should I be worried about the expired GPG key or should I just ignore it and start working?
[18:03] <arraybolt3[m]> (And did we fail to get ffmpeg5 support for VLC into Kinetic? I think it's supposed to work with that.)
[18:04] <RikMills> for just testing purposes, it is no big deal
[18:04] <RikMills> yes, it is supposed to work, but not with libva enabled
[18:04] <RikMills> upstream did not decide to fix that part
[18:04] <arraybolt3[m]> OK. Well I'll fiddle with it and see what I can make happen.
[18:05] <arraybolt3[m]> 🫠
[18:05] <RikMills> they hate it due to forever having issues anyway
[18:05] <arraybolt3[m]> Was migrating to ffmpeg4 from ffmpeg3 this painful?
[18:05] <RikMills> can't recall
[18:06] <RikMills> I am not sure why we transitioned this release
[18:06]  * arraybolt3[m] thinks we really should have something in place to block ffmpeg syncs from Debian in the future so that they can deal with it next time rather than us
[18:06] <RikMills> I saw it there to snyc for some time, and thought nah, that looks dodgy
[18:06] <RikMills> but someone did in the end :/
[18:07] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah this only happens once every few years, but we don't ever want to do this again.
[18:07] <RikMills> I think it should have been left for the next cycle, where more things were fixed to support it
[18:07] <RikMills> but it happened!
[18:08] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah. Making it so that it's not allowed to happen without multiple experienced developers on board would be nice.
[18:12] <arraybolt3[m]> I should point out that the expired VLC GPG key is in the actual Kinetic packaging itself - I did pull-lp-source vlc kinetic and its in there, so if that matters, now you know
[18:30] <Eickmeyer[m]> It keeps getting better and better.
[21:22] <Eickmeyer[m]> Good news on the VLC debacle arraybolt3 , RikMills : https://tracker.debian.org/news/1369334/accepted-vlc-30174-5-source-into-unstable/
[21:31] <Eickmeyer[m]> If only I didn't feel so bad...
 "Good news on the VLC debacle..." <- Thanks!
[21:32] <arraybolt3[m]> Eickmeyer[m]: Oh crud, everything OK?
[21:32] <Eickmeyer[m]> Just the stuff that transpired this morning left me feeling like I did the wrong thing in that.
[21:32] <arraybolt3[m]> me laughs in chagrin Great, I think that Debian just forced us to do an Ubuntu delta on VLC with the libva stuff.
[21:33] <Eickmeyer[m]> No, they didn't. It's a direct sync. No delta.
[21:33] <arraybolt3[m]> I thought enabling libva support caused FTBFS.
[21:33] <arraybolt3[m]> (In Kinetic at least.)
[21:33] <Eickmeyer[m]> They disabled all references to libva.
[21:33] <arraybolt3[m]> Eickmeyer[m]: Hey, we all make mistakes. You even sent an apology letter.
[21:34] <arraybolt3[m]> (I've messed stuff way worse.)
[21:35] <Eickmeyer[m]> I think they were upset at Ubuntu for other stuff and I pushed them over the edge never to return.
[21:37] <arraybolt3[m]> Canonical and Microsoft were able to partner in multiple ways eventually even after some high-ranking MS person called Linux a cancer and released misleading benchmark info. I think the frustration between VLC and Ubuntu will be way easier to fix.
[21:38] <Eickmeyer[m]> That high-ranking person was the CEO (at the time). That person is no longer CEO and even got ejected from the board over 10 years ago.
[21:38] <arraybolt3[m]> * cancer and MS released misleading
[21:39] <arraybolt3[m]> Well, hey, maybe if we help them with the other frustrations they've had with Ubuntu, we can make things work right again.
[21:40] <Eickmeyer[m]> And that's part of what I said in the apology letter.
[21:45] <RikMills> Eickmeyer[m]: weird, when I tried that revert it ftbfs
[21:46] <Eickmeyer> RikMills: Even removing the flags?
[21:47] <RikMills> should have been equivalent. if not the build system is weird and messed up
[21:48] <RikMills> but whatever works at this point I won't complain!
[21:48] <RikMills> :P
[21:48] <arraybolt3[m]> I'll work on it in a bit, slightly busy with a VM build over here right now but that shouldn't take much longer.
[21:48] <arraybolt3[m]> (OK more than slightly busy but whatever you know what I meant)
[21:49] <Eickmeyer> When I see it land, I'll do a backportpackage to my PPA to see how it builds on Ubuntu.
[21:49] <Eickmeyer> If it builds, I'll sync it.
[21:50] <RikMills> you can get it now with dget https://incoming.debian.org/debian-buildd/pool/main/v/vlc/vlc_<IP_ADDRESS>-5.dsc
[21:51] <arraybolt3[m]> Sounds like you guys are way ahead of me. Should I just let you do what you do for now and then help test when things are done?
[21:52] <Eickmeyer[m]> RikMills: TIL
[21:54] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ok, let's see how this builds.
[22:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3, RikMills : In my PPA, still awaiting armhf, otherwise successful builds.
[22:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> Only thing is, Sebastian linked the wrong LP bug. >.<
[22:29] <Eickmeyer[m]> And we have a complete BFS.
[22:29] <arraybolt3[m]> \o/
[22:47] <RikMills> Eickmeyer[m]: but does it play mp4? :D
[22:47] <arraybolt3[m]> Eickmeyer: Link to PPA so I can install it real quick?
[22:50] <arraybolt3[m]> Eickmeyer: I can't find it on your Launchpad account.
[22:51] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh wait found it. Its the one you're never supposed to add.
[22:51]  * arraybolt3[m] adds it :P
[22:52] <arraybolt3[m]> (Er, one of the one's you're never supposed to add.)
[22:57] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3: I was about to say, narrow that down. XD
[22:57] <Eickmeyer[m]> Sorry about that. ERR: Was Driving
[22:58] <arraybolt3[m]> Eickmeyer: OK so that's an improvement. The first frame or first few frames of the video play, then it stalls.
[22:59] <arraybolt3[m]> .ogv video works, .mp4 aaaaalmost works.
[22:59] <Eickmeyer[m]> Hmmm... Let me test.
[22:59] <arraybolt3[m]> (Sometimes it won't even play the first few frames, but usually it does.)
[23:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> No issues here.
[23:00] <arraybolt3[m]> Maybe you have something else installed that makes it work right? I'm using a drone video of snowy mountains from Pexels.
[23:00]  * arraybolt3[m] reboots to see if that helps anything
[23:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> Just used two separate MP4 videos
[23:01] <arraybolt3[m]> (BTW this is an Intel-based Chromebook, if you have an NVIDIA card maybe that's making a difference.)
[23:01] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, this is on an Nvidia-exclusive custom machine.
[23:02] <Eickmeyer[m]> I can try on my KFocus M1 with Nvidia card powered down.
[23:02] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah, still only getting barely anything. I'm too chicken to install the PPA on my production desktop, but I'll give it a go in a VM.
[23:10] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3, RikMills : Confirmed, no MP4 issues on intel, made sure Nvidia chipset was powered down.
[23:11] <arraybolt3[m]> I guess I just have a grumpy Chromebook or grumpy Xubuntu Core installation then.
[23:11] <arraybolt3[m]> We'll see what the VM does in a bit.
[23:45] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3: Any results in your VM?
[23:46] <arraybolt3[m]> Got distracted :P
[23:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> heh
[23:46] <arraybolt3[m]> Still installing the VM, not because it's horribly slow, but because I'm multitasking.
[23:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> No worries.
[23:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> LIfe, uh, gets in the way.
[23:47] <arraybolt3[m]> Horrible movie IMO, but it did have some good lines in it.
[23:47] <Eickmeyer[m]> 1) It was excellent for its time, and 2) My son loves it.
[23:48] <arraybolt3[m]> I was really into it too, but then I took a break from movies, then watched again way later and realized, "Good grief, there wasn't any happy ending! You know what, *every single one of those movies had a sad ending!*"
[23:49] <arraybolt3[m]> (I'm assuming we are talking about the one where people resurrect dinosaurs from mosquito blood and then everything goes horribly wrong not once, not twice, but five times, right?)
[23:49] <Eickmeyer[m]> That's about right.
[23:50] <arraybolt3[m]> Anyway, sorry if I'm being silly here.