[03:50] <biovore> I talk with people around the world all the time..
[03:50] <nickrud_> adwait does aptitude update get an update in a reasonable time?
[03:50] <moparfan90> boss
[03:50] <tiglionabbit> moparfan90: try them both and see what you think
[03:50] <biovore> <-- HAM
[03:50] <moparfan90> how
[03:50] <adwait> ok......now i added the us.archive.ubuntu.com resource......now it wont let it me update the repo
[03:50] <nickrud_> adwait sudo aptitude update
[03:50] <adwait> apt-get update won't work......says :cant get lock........"
[03:50] <tiglionabbit> moparfan90: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-dekstop
[03:50] <tiglionabbit> *desktop
[03:50] <biovore> you root adwait?
[03:50] <tiglionabbit> and then switch sessions at gdm
[03:51] <tiglionabbit> you can have them both
[03:51] <moparfan90> i use sypatic
[03:51] <nickrud_> adwait do you have synaptic open?
[03:51] <adwait> biovore: yes
[03:51] <adwait> nickrud_ no....
[03:51] <moparfan90> no
[03:51] <tiglionabbit> moparfan90: same difference
[03:51] <biovore> aptitude?
[03:51] <adwait> nope.
[03:51] <nickrud_> adwait make sure you have no apt-get, aptitude or synaptic sessions open
[03:51] <biovore> hung apt running?
[03:51] <juju> viva kde
[03:52] <moparfan90> will that mess up whats there already
[03:52] <moparfan90> ??
[03:52] <adwait> nickrud_check
[03:52] <tiglionabbit> moparfan90: no
[03:52] <nickrud_> adwait if you are absolutely sure of that, then, what are the dpkg and aptitude lock files? (I can't remember off hand)
[03:52] <adwait>  Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[03:52] <moparfan90> how do i have both?
[03:52] <tiglionabbit> moparfan90: both ubuntu and kubuntu can happily coexist.  You can get xfce4 too while you're at it
[03:52] <tiglionabbit> moparfan90: it just installs both, and then you can switch which one you want to use by clicking on Sessions when you log in
[03:53] <moparfan90> whats xfce4?
[03:53] <freddy> wonder if cedega is worthy buying
[03:53] <adwait> nickrud_: no idea......
[03:53] <nickrud_> adwait does ls /var/lib/apt/lists/lock exist?
[03:53] <freddy> wonder if cedega is worthbuying
[03:53] <virtuald> does anyone know of a music player for the console that supports mp3, ogg vorbis, flac, mod, xm, s3m and it? or at least 2 of them.
[03:53] <tiglionabbit> moparfan90: another window manager, like kde or gnome
[03:53] <biovore> I had it for a bit..
[03:53] <moparfan90> o
[03:53] <biovore> depends..
[03:53] <adwait> nickrud_: it does
[03:53] <moparfan90> i like gnome so.. il stay
[03:53] <nickrud_> adwait then, sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/locks
[03:53] <nickrud_> adwait then, sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/lock
[03:53] <freddy> anyone uses cedega?
[03:54] <freddy> i wonder if its worth buying it
[03:54] <I-IIEars> moparfan90 - you will need to choose your default sound server and display manager tho after you can boot to any style desk you like.
[03:54] <freddy> dont they have like a trial or something?
[03:54] <freddy> hrmm...gonna check the site
[03:54] <juju> how to reconfigure the resolution display with a shell
[03:54] <tiglionabbit> juju: edit the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:54] <adwait> nickrud_: ok...tht worked.......but i am still stuck at 0%
[03:54] <adwait> :p
[03:54] <biovore> edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:54] <juju> ok
[03:55] <nickrud_> adwait then, most likely the mirror you are using is not responding, try another
[03:55] <Luakagon> I need help connecting my ubuntu laptop to the internet with a dialup connection
[03:55] <I-IIEars> juju - sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. - enter your pci bus settings exactly as you see them add an extra zero if needed.
[03:55] <tiglionabbit> juju: there should be several lines that start with the word "Modes".  You can add other resolutions as strings on here.  You will have to kill X for these to take effect, and it will usually use the largest resolution your monitor is happy with
[03:55] <tiglionabbit> juju: or lister to I-IIEars, that's probably an easier method
[03:55] <BockBilbo> is there any goo download manager for gnome?
[03:56] <tiglionabbit> goo?
[03:56] <adwait> nickrud_ well.....i can visit security.ubuntu.com thru the browser......so....:S
[03:56] <I-IIEars> tiglionabitt - six of one - a half dozen of the other they are about the same difficulty.
[03:57] <nickrud_> adwait yeah, I kinda passed over your mention of getting to archive with the web browser :)
[03:57] <adwait> nickrud_: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/410
[03:58] <I-IIEars> juju - How is it going so far?
[03:58] <tiglionabbit> say, I-IIEars, what behavior does running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and hitting escape at every message box cause?
[03:58] <moparfan90> bye every one
[03:58] <nickrud_> adwait the <IP_ADDRESS> addresses throws me.
[03:59] <tiglionabbit> does it modify anything while you are configuring it, or write things afterward?
[03:59] <Lokadin> hello,
[03:59] <adwait> nickrud_: hmm.....yeah....but tht should be coming from my DNS server right?
[03:59] <I-IIEars> tiglionabbit - (shrug> dunno - it can't be to bad haven't been iradiated. - lol
[03:59] <adwait> nickrud_: ,aybe i should add the ip address directly to repos?
[03:59] <nickrud_> adwait yes, and, I have a rule that I don't know shit about networking, except to say that can't be right :)
[04:00] <I-IIEars> tiglionabbit - it asks for confirmation to write a config file
[04:00] <juju> d
[04:00] <adwait> hehe...
[04:00] <Lokadin> I have a problem with my samba if i type smb://igor@laptop/My Documents it tell me that it can not display all the files and displays none, but if i put the IP address of the laptop then it shows up fine after asking me the password
[04:00] <Lokadin> does anyone know what might be the problem?
[04:00] <adwait> well anybody eles tigllionbit? is it ok if i directly add ip addresses to the repos list?
[04:00] <tiglionabbit> say guys
[04:01] <tiglionabbit> there are a lot of programs that, when I run them from terminal, blurt out about 18 lines of this: http://gplflash.sourceforge.net/
[04:01] <tiglionabbit> oops
[04:01] <tiglionabbit> I mean this
[04:01] <tiglionabbit> /usr/share/themes/expose/gtk-2.0/icons/iconrc:5: Unable to locate image file in pixmap_path: "gnome-stock-gnome-run.png"
[04:01] <juju> etc/X11/xorg.conf is enty
[04:01] <tiglionabbit> =P two ways to paste in linux, always get em confused
[04:01] <Lokadin> does anyone here use samba/
[04:01] <Lokadin> ?
[04:01] <nickrud_> tiglionabbit do you have expose as your theme?
[04:01] <tiglionabbit> nickrud_: no
[04:01] <tiglionabbit> nickrud_: but there are a crapload of programs that complain about missing pixmaps
[04:02] <nickrud_> tiglionabbit heh, then, it's your fun ;)
[04:02] <tiglionabbit> what?
[04:02] <nickrud_> tiglionabbit I've fought and loved themes for a while
[04:03] <tiglionabbit> ubuntu should add a theme-editor or something.  How do I edit themes anyway?
[04:03] <nickrud_> tiglionabbit for fun, I'd try doing a locate on gnome-stock-gnome-run.png, then put it into the error path, and see what happens
[04:04] <bluefoxicy> https://site-edit.ubuntulinux.org/search?SearchableText=libdvdcss&Title=&Description=&created%3Adate=1970%2F02%2F01+00%3A00%3A00+GMT&created_usage=range%3Amin&pt_toggle=%23&portal_type%3Alist=AmazonItem&portal_type%3Alist=Discussion+Item&portal_type%3Alist=Document&portal_type%3Alist=Event&portal_type%3Alist=Favorite&portal_type%3Alist=File&portal_type%3Alist=Folder&portal_type%3Alist=HelpCenter&portal_type%3Alist=HelpCenterD
[04:04] <bluefoxicy> efinition&portal_type%3Alist=HelpCenterErrorReference&portal_type%3Alist=HelpCenterErrorReferenceFolder&portal_type%3Alist=HelpCenterFAQ&portal_type%3Alist=HelpCenterFAQFolder&portal_type%3Alist=HelpCenterGlossary&portal_type%3Alist=HelpCenterHowTo&portal_type%3Alist=HelpCenterHowToFolder&portal_type%3Alist=HelpCenterLink&portal_type%3Alist=HelpCenterLinkFolder&portal_type%3Alist=HelpCenterTutorial&portal_type%3Alist=HelpCent
[04:04] <tiglionabbit> oh I see
[04:04] <bluefoxicy> erTutorialFolder&portal_type%3Alist=HelpCenterTutorialPage&portal_type%3Alist=Image&portal_type%3Alist=Large+Plone+Folder&portal_type%3Alist=Link&portal_type%3Alist=News+Item&portal_type%3Alist=Plone+Site&portal_type%3Alist=TempFolder&portal_type%3Alist=Topic&portal_type%3Alist=Wiki+Page&Creator=&submit=Search
[04:04] <bluefoxicy> ACK
[04:04] <bluefoxicy> what the hell?
[04:04] <tiglionabbit> whoa blue, careful there
[04:04] <regeya> good lord
[04:04] <bluefoxicy> tiglionabbit:  that's a search uri from Ubuntu's wiki site
[04:04] <xeiro> LOL
[04:04] <bluefoxicy> I didn't know it was more than 150 chars long.
[04:04] <xeiro> Good lord indeed
[04:04] <regeya> ever heard of tinyurl?
[04:04] <tiglionabbit> anyway, I just noticed, the theme I currently have applied has icons by that name
[04:04] <bluefoxicy> but anyway it returns an entry to RestrictedFormats, which does not exist.
[04:05] <tiglionabbit> only they're in my .icons folder
[04:05] <bluefoxicy> I'm trying to watch a dvd
[04:05] <moparfan90> can ubunu open .rar   files???
[04:05] <Lokadin> I have a problem with my samba if i type smb://igor@laptop/My Documents it tell me that it can not display all the files and displays none, but if i put the IP address of the laptop then it shows up fine after asking me the password
[04:05] <bluefoxicy> so I need libdvdcss with decryption for dvds
[04:05] <bluefoxicy> and I can't find the repository via google.
[04:05] <tiglionabbit> bluefoxicy: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats ?
[04:05] <moparfan90> can ubunu open .rar   files???
[04:05] <moparfan90> can ubunu open .rar   files???
[04:05] <moparfan90> sorry
[04:05] <bluefoxicy> tiglionabbit:  yes thanks.  It was sending me to site-edit.ubuntulinux.org
[04:05] <tiglionabbit> moparfan90: yes, it can.  Get unrar-nonfree
[04:05] <bluefoxicy> which google took me to.
[04:05] <HrdwrBoB> moparfan90: install unrar-nonfree
[04:05] <bluefoxicy> I didn't notice.
[04:06] <juju> thank you
[04:06] <tiglionabbit> moparfan90: or some other variant of unrar, whatever it needs.  Any extractor, such as file-roller, should be able to use these once they're installed
[04:07] <tiglionabbit> you know, one thing I like about linux is, some programs magically work in ways they didn't before after you install certain things.  It's great
[04:07] <tiglionabbit> so much sharing
[04:07] <tiglionabbit> saves me disk space too
[04:08] <freddy> brb
[04:08] <tiglionabbit> so anyway, uh, what is the proper way to install my icon theme, so that programs don't complain and crap
[04:09] <nickrud_> ~/.icons is supposed to work, it the icon theme is made correctly
[04:09] <tiglionabbit> =\
[04:09] <nickrud_> iirc, /usr/local/share/icons works too
[04:10] <tiglionabbit> /usr/share/themes/expose/gtk-2.0/icons/iconrc
[04:10] <tiglionabbit> why's it always doing that
[04:10] <tiglionabbit> unable to locate image file in pixmap path
[04:10] <nickrud_> I'd say a bad icon theme
[04:10] <tiglionabbit> what's the pixmap path?
[04:10] <bryan> evening all, any one have experience with modem issues?
[04:11] <Luakagon> I cant find my modem but its listed in lspci help please
[04:11] <tiglionabbit> say, how do I edit icon themes, you know, mix and match, and have it apply a certain icon to every reference to an application, and such things
[04:11] <nickrud_> tiglionabbit I'd look for more info on icon themes on art.gnome.org, I think there's a howto or something there
[04:11] <tiglionabbit> Luakagon: is it listed in network-admin ?
[04:12] <nickrud_> tiglionabbit lol, I would love to put together a custom icon theme
[04:13] <nickrud_> I truly wish I never had to sleep.
[04:13] <adwait> nickrud_: lol
[04:13] <adwait> bryan: like what?
[04:14] <bryan> adwait: ive run pppconfig but still cant get an internet connection
[04:15] <speel> berkeley college was the college that created bsd correct?
[04:15] <tiglionabbit> you know, what I'd really like is a theme that actually puts icons on the KDE programs too, instead of making them those ugly 'blank window with a blue titlebar' icons...
[04:15] <speel> ?
[04:16] <tiglionabbit> is there a way to put a set of KDE icons into a set of gnome icons?
[04:16] <tiglionabbit> I suppose I could just open the tar.gz and shove them in there...
[04:16] <tiglionabbit> and then install it
[04:18] <tiglionabbit> is there any way to make it apply icons to all the un-iconed KDE programs that isn't a pain in the ass?
[04:18] <freddy> ok this is bizarre...i can see my windows network...on my main computer...and on my laptop....but i cant get the laptop to see the main computer and they are both ubuntu =/
[04:19] <user00265> is there other archive server other than the two that archive.ubuntu.com point to? those things are like a slug...
[04:20] <spring> ??
[04:21] <spring> how can i setup my resolution of the screen?
[04:21] <spring> now my screen is 640*480,oop!
[04:21] <moparfan90> system -> pre. -> screen res.
[04:21] <tiglionabbit> freddy: is anything shared on the main computer?
[04:22] <nickrud_> supposely freedesktop.org is creating/has created a standard for icons, and, i think, gnome 2.12 will use it
[04:22] <tiglionabbit> cool
[04:22] <spring> it can't ,there just one choice 640*480
[04:22] <tiglionabbit> wow, things are getting better yay
[04:22] <moparfan90> oo
[04:22] <spring> my display card is 865G
[04:23] <nickrud_> well, just more things to understand, just, this iteration should be more understandable :)
[04:23] <moparfan90> spring: then intall your graphics card then try it
[04:23] <freddy> how the hell do i go about sharing files with my laptop and my desktop? =/
[04:24] <bryan> spring: is it an lcd screen by any chance?
[04:24] <tiglionabbit> spring: go edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:24] <spring> yes ,a LCD 15"
[04:24] <nickrud_> freddy, if noone answers, ask again, will you, I'm just about to get a laptop :)
[04:24] <freddy> nickrud_, lol
[04:24] <cvac> what is the min amount of memory I would need to install ubuntu
[04:24] <BockBilbo> bye
[04:25] <bryan> spring: the trick i figured out after many hours (and a good bit of help here) was to run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and be sure to specify "16" when you get to a part about screen depth...
[04:25] <bryan> worked for me
[04:26] <krod> hello, why is apt-get giving me this error:
[04:27] <adwait> krod:......which error
[04:27] <macintoshr> im setting up a channel at the moment called ipizza for users of alternative operating systems
[04:27] <macintoshr> i.e. not Microsoft windows
[04:27] <krod> Package nmap is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[04:27] <krod> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[04:27] <krod> is only available from another source
[04:27] <krod> E: Package nmap has no installation candidate
[04:27] <macintoshr> dont have many users so far...
[04:27] <macintoshr> its #ipizza on irc.oz.org
[04:27] <krod> macintoshr, stop spamming :P
[04:27] <adwait> krod: right........when i get tht error i start looking for websites to download the file i want :)
[04:27] <macintoshr> ok
[04:28] <krod> adwait, it worked on my laptop, but not here on my desktop
[04:28] <krod> and the sources.list are the same
[04:28] <adwait> dunno the cause of tht error thoughh.it probably means that the software is not there in the repostories, but it is reffered to as a dependencie by some other software
[04:28] <adwait> krod: hmm.......no idea.....
[04:28] <adwait> anyone else have an idea
[04:28] <adwait> ?
[04:29] <bryan> is there a way to force winmodem to work in ubuntu...
[04:29] <freddy> but i dont get it
[04:30] <freddy> do i need samba to share files between ubuntu and ubuntu? O_o
[04:30] <freddy> thats......odd
[04:30] <HrdwrBoB> no
[04:30] <HrdwrBoB> you can use NFS
[04:30] <freddy> yes but that includes an installation too
[04:30] <freddy> hehe
[04:30] <freddy> i thought they understood themself by default
[04:32] <freddy> and how about setting up NFS?
[04:32] <freddy> need for speed lol
[04:32] <HrdwrBoB> Network File System
[04:32] <adwait> !HeyThere
[04:32] <HrdwrBoB> search on the wiki
[04:32] <ubotu> adwait: I haven't a clue
[04:32] <adwait> hey when everyone recommended linewire to me for p2p.......it was www.limewire.com right?
[04:33] <moparfan90> how do you install limewire on ubuntu
[04:33] <moparfan90> ?
[04:34] <freddy> download the bin?
[04:34] <adwait> moparfan90: either download the rpm and convert using alien........or download the zip file and just unzip it
[04:34] <adwait> does limewire keep opening its website and showing ads? i dunno if i have got the correct limewire or some kind of clone? does limewire have a clone?
[04:35] <adwait> *does limewire have a pro version?
[04:35] <moparfan90> how do you use alien???
[04:35] <adwait> sudo alien <filename>
[04:36] <adwait> it can convert from rpm,slp etc to deb
[04:36] <moparfan90> how??
[04:36] <adwait> after tht u can use dpkg to install the software
[04:36] <moparfan90> how do u use it?
[04:36] <adwait> sudo dpkg -i <filename.deb>
[04:37] <adwait> but alien doesnt always to a good job..........so its to be used only if u hv no option
[04:37] <kdp> theres this really great command line program that gives little witty "What happened today in History" type things...what is it called and can i get the source code?
[04:37] <adwait> in case of limewire.....u can download the zip file
[04:37] <moparfan90> which one is zip. the windows?
[04:37] <HrdwrBoB> kdp: I don't know and yes, though if you want a more comprehensive list, see wikipedia
[04:38] <adwait> morpfan90: no the last one........
[04:38] <kdp> aw but this one isnt online.
[04:38] <adwait> for other OSs
[04:39] <adwait> Limewire = my first adware program in linux :(
[04:39] <kdp> HrdwrBoB: is the source code for all the applications kept somewhere?
[04:39] <thenostradamus> i haven't had any adware with limewire
[04:41] <guatenais> everybody can help me
[04:41] <j_fletcher> I've just reinstalled ubuntu for the 3rd time in 24 hours, nautilus was messing up, and the only thing I> could see was that I was fiddling with apt-get trying to get things (such as python2.4 and python-gnome) to use gdesklets
[04:41] <moparfan90> how do yo install limewire?
[04:41] <j_fletcher> anybody know of a reason?
[04:42] <guatenais> can you help me
[04:42] <j_fletcher> moparfan90: http://ubuntuguide.org/#limewire
[04:42] <j_fletcher> easy guide there
[04:42] <Equinox> Trying to apt-get(after some disk issues) I'm getting E: Unable to parse package file /var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive..
[04:42] <Equinox> Any way to regenerate these files?
[04:42] <moparfan90> ok
[04:42] <moparfan90> thanks
[04:42] <spring> I change the /etc/X11/xorg.conf manully , but my screen is still 640*480?
[04:42] <spring> why?
[04:42] <j_fletcher> you'll need to apt-get sun-j2re1.5 though moparfan90
[04:42] <kdp> oh! now i remember what the command was.  calendar.
[04:43] <guatenais> somebody can help me
[04:43] <moparfan90> ok
[04:43] <j_fletcher> no doubt someone can help me too, it's just an unorthadox hour, guatenais
[04:43] <j_fletcher> well, in Europe anyway
[04:44] <guatenais> yes
[04:44] <guatenais> can you help me fletcher
[04:44] <guatenais> maybe i can help you
[04:44] <j_fletcher> okay
[04:44] <j_fletcher> you read my question
[04:44] <j_fletcher> i'll read yours
[04:45] <j_fletcher> oh wait, you'll have to repeat, yours was before I connected.
[04:45] <spring> I need help about my screen resolution
[04:45] <lucasr|out> hi all
[04:45] <lucasr|out> about livecds
[04:45] <j_fletcher> spring: probably a case of drivers if it only gives low res options
[04:45] <lucasr|out> how do i avoid making non-ascii chars to become trash on ubuntu livecd boot messages?
[04:46] <spring> my board is intel 865GV
[04:46] <lucasr|out> f1, f2, ..., f10
[04:46] <adwait> spring: download latest dirvers/ run sudp dpg-reconfigure-xserver-xorg
[04:46] <adwait> *dpkg-reconfigure-sserver-xorg
[04:47] <adwait> sudo
[04:47] <spring> i'll try ,thanks
[04:48] <lucasr|out> GmanAFK, ping
[04:51] <Eman_> hi all
[04:52] <adwait> hi Eman_
[04:52] <Eman_> hi adwait
[04:52] <knoppix> is there anyway to resize ext3? QTParted and GParted don't seem to like resizing ext3 =/
[04:52] <j_fletcher> does somebody have a sources.list that can actually download python 2.4?
[04:53] <adwait> knoppix: resizing is possible only if it is in an LVM i believe
[04:53] <guatenais>  hello
[04:53] <knoppix> what is LVM?
[04:53] <guatenais> hello fletcher
[04:53] <freddy> how can i change the permissions of a directory if its belongs to root? its my share directory to share with the other computers...but the stuff made it for root...well i made it =/
[04:53] <j_fletcher> yes
[04:53] <guatenais>  what happend
[04:53] <adwait> knopppix: Logical Volume Manager..........its a way in which u can keep ur partition flexible, ....
[04:54] <othernoob> how secure is a fresh installed ubuntu?
[04:54] <adwait> otherwise u have to back up data/ delete/ recreate partition/ copy back data
[04:54] <spring> I use the dpkg ,but it quit abnormally
[04:54] <adwait> othernoob: as secure as any other linux distro..........ie: VERY
[04:54] <freddy> *cough*
[04:54] <xterminus> othernoob, it tends to have the latest stuff, so pretty secure
[04:54] <odie5533> How do I use LVM?
[04:55] <adwait> spring: wht error message did u get? are u trying to run dpkg-reconfigure-xserver-xorg?
[04:55] <othernoob> thanks
[04:55] <adwait> odie5533: u hv to make the partions with LVM while installing linux.....or otherwise in general while partioning ur disk
[04:55] <spring> yes,but it just quit in half
[04:55] <adwait> spring: u cant run tht while xerver is running
[04:56] <odie5533> adwait: Is there anyway around using LVM? And how do I use it to partition disks in general?
[04:56] <adwait> spring: press Ctrl+Alt+Spacebar (I think) to turn xserver off......then run the command sudo dpkg-recinfigure-xserver-xorg
[04:56] <xterminus> odie5533, http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/
[04:56] <spring> oh i know , then i must logout the gnome first. inlevel 3 to run it?
[04:57] <adwait> spring: yeah.......and fail safe terminal will do.......otherwise like i said ctrl+alt+spacebad
[04:57] <freddy> how can i change the permissions on a directory if it belongs to root ? :(
[04:57] <adwait> *spacebar
[04:57] <adwait> spring: to change run level....sudo init 3
[04:57] <adwait> freddy: using sudp
[04:57] <spring> ok , i 'll tyr it again. thanks
[04:57] <adwait> *sudo
[04:57] <Tufek> hi, Is Colony CD 2 new version ubuntu or no?
[04:57] <freddy> yes but i dont know what the command is adwait
[04:57] <geargolem> what is apache?
[04:58] <freddy> web server
[04:58] <geargolem> what does it do?
[04:58] <adwait> freddy: sudo chmod <permission u want to add/revoke> <filename>
[04:58] <adwait> geargolem: u see all those websites on the net? well a web server is used to run those sites.......thats wht apache does
[04:59] <geargolem> what is the benefit of using Apache?
[04:59] <sasquatc4> i keep getting an error when i do apt-get upgrades, it keeps trying to install a kernel version that i already have installed, im just wondering how to keep it from constantly trying to update the kernel to that version
[04:59] <sasquatc4> Errors were encountered while processing:
[04:59] <sasquatc4> /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.10-5-686_2.6.10-34.3_i386.deb
[04:59] <sasquatc4> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[04:59] <j_fletcher> sasquatc4: i get errors too, just like that
[04:59] <adwait> geargolem: well it is the most widely used webserver....if u r asking in terms of performance, i believe it is a multuthreading webserver and u can add mysql/php and all other supprts as u want
[04:59] <sasquatc4> good to know its not just me
[04:59] <sasquatc4> just been pissin me off lately
[05:00] <j_fletcher> but for python, I'm trying to upgrade to 2.4 so that I can actually run stuff
[05:00] <geargolem> adwait, in laymens terms if you please.
[05:00] <speel> geargolem, most companys use it because its reliability,flexiblility,and most importantly its performance
[05:00] <adwait> geargolem: in layman's terms, u don't really need apache unless you want to host a website on your own computer
[05:00] <speel> companies*
[05:01] <geargolem> thanks people
[05:01] <speel> Np
[05:01] <jtan325> what are some icon sets that people use? and where'd you get them from?
[05:01] <j_fletcher> sasquatc4: also, my nautilus has just buggered up, that happened to you?
[05:01] <adwait> np
[05:01] <sasquatc4> naw, it happened once to me, but it fixed it self after reboot
[05:01] <adwait> jtan325: icons come with themes in gnome
[05:01] <speel> jtan325, you can get icons and such at http://www.gnome-look.org/
[05:01] <The_bellman> i compiled gtkpod 0.91 from source, but it can't read mp4s it says "You must compile the gtkpod source together with the mp4v2 library." what does that mean?
[05:01] <sasquatc4> my system keeps thinkin it still has the 386 kernel on here, which i removed a while back, so it keeps adding it to the grub menu as well, which is also a hassle
[05:02] <jtan325> i know i knwo
[05:02] <jtan325> just seeing if there were others that aren't on gnome-look
[05:02] <jtan325> or kde-look
[05:02] <j_fletcher> omg
[05:02] <adwait> sasquatc4: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and comment out the part which pertains to the option u dont want...
[05:02] <sasquatc4> yea, ive done that
[05:02] <j_fletcher> anyway at all to undo changes I just made with upgrades that failed?
[05:03] <sasquatc4> but everytime i do the apt upgrade, it adds the 386 back
[05:03] <sasquatc4> so im not sure why it keeps thinking its installed
[05:03] <adwait> sasquatc4: no really very knowledgable abt kernels an such :)
[05:03] <sasquatc4> huh?
[05:04] <randabis> sasquatc4: how did you remove the kernel?
[05:04] <sasquatc4> apt
[05:04] <randabis> sasquatc4: okay..that's weird then
[05:04] <odie5533> Is there any easy way to use LVM?
[05:04] <randabis> usually it will stop adding the entry if you remove it with apt
[05:05] <sasquatc4> yah, hopefully it'll be fixed if i can resolve this wierd apt issue with tryin to install a kernel thats already there
[05:05] <adwait> odie5533: when installing ubuntu it gives u an option to use LVM
[05:05] <odie5533> Anyway to partition my hard disks before installing and use LVM?
[05:05] <adwait> odie5533: while install red hat fc3/fc4 if u choose to let the partiong automatically, it does it using LVM
[05:06] <adwait> odie5533: put a partitioning tool on a bootable floppy / run a partition utillity from the OS which is installed
[05:06] <stisev> Hi all
[05:06] <adwait> hi stisev: wb
[05:06] <stisev> I know this is not #kde or #kubuntu, buuuuuuuuuuuuuuut.
[05:06] <odie5533> adwait: no os is instaleld
[05:06] <thenostradamus> if ur not using the drive to run ubuntu, u can use qtparted
[05:07] <stisev> in kubuntu [KDE] , I hate how the windows default to their crappy layout, with all of the navigation panels
[05:07] <stisev> how do I force KDE to show windows how I want them?
[05:07] <stisev> (classic look - tree view with no navigation panels, side panels)
[05:07] <adwait> odie5533: well......u can run the run the ubuntu installation upto the partitioning part, write changes and quit..so ur disk is partioned using LVM but ubuntu isnt installed
[05:07] <stisev> do you know how to configure how KDE shows the folders?
[05:07] <odie5533> thenostradamus, how do I use qparted for LVM
[05:07] <stisev> Anyone know?
[05:07] <odie5533> adwait: I have things on my disks though
[05:08] <adwait> odie5533: thts a problem then.....ull hv to backup the data
[05:08] <odie5533> Its too much
[05:08] <odie5533> I no longer have place to back it up
[05:09] <odie5533> And worse, I can't figure out how to burn cds from a live session =/
[05:09] <adwait> odie5533: well theres really no way to do this w/o destructive partioning because...u need to delete partions and then use LVM
[05:09] <thenostradamus> odie5533, /j #lvm
[05:10] <odie5533> Hmm... What is the downside of using ext2?
[05:10] <nalioth> odie5533: no journaling
[05:10] <odie5533> What is journaling?
[05:10] <nalioth> odie5533: error correction
[05:11] <odie5533> Is that good to have?
[05:11] <nickrud> journaling is logging changes for rollback
[05:11] <adwait> riight
[05:11] <odie5533> Hmm
[05:11] <nalioth> odie5533: for every 100 bytes, it writes 1 byte for error corrction (or something like that)
[05:11] <adwait> idue5533: yeah.....in case of an improper shutdown or power failure, u want lose data
[05:11] <adwait> *odie5533
[05:11] <odie5533> Is there any way to burn a cd from a live session?
[05:11] <odie5533> with one cd burner drive
[05:12] <nalioth> odie5533: if you have 2 optical drives
[05:12] <adwait> idue5533: u hv two CD drives?
[05:12] <odie5533> No
[05:12] <adwait> well then no :)
[05:12] <adwait> it needs acces to the writable disk AND the software on the live disk
[05:12] <madmavric> is there a way to set up a virtual drive?
[05:13] <odie5533> What if I promise not to run any new software?
[05:13] <adwait> odie5533: lol..but u do need to access the disk writing software
[05:13] <nalioth> odie5533: it is impossible
[05:13] <nalioth> madmavric: yes, its called "installation"
[05:13] <madmavric> cool
[05:13] <adwait> heh :p
[05:14] <adwait> no but i had heard of sucha thing for windows........but not for linux
[05:14] <odie5533> I am using knoppix atm for partitioning, I thought gparted was malfunctioning, but qtparted doesnt work for what I need either... So now I am going to try knoppix with the tohd=/dev/hda1 to burn cds
[05:14] <odie5533> copies the image to hdd and lets you boot
[05:14] <freddy> is there a way to find for a package? like...hrmm if i want to install acrobat reader from apt-get but i dont know the name of the exact package...do i have an option for like find any package with "acrobat" on it?
[05:14] <odie5533> Thanks for the help, later
[05:15] <thenostradamus> apt-cache search
[05:15] <nalioth> odie5533: you still will have the cd drive locked up (unless knoppix has advanced farther then i realize)
[05:15] <nickrud> odie5533 from the cd you copied to the hdd?
[05:15] <madmavric> nothing showing up in synaptic called installation
[05:15] <odie5533> nickrud, it copies it
[05:15] <odie5533> nalioth, it copies it itself
[05:15] <nalioth> madmavric: what type of virtual disk are you looking for?
[05:16] <adwait> madmavric: lol..........he was being sarcastic
[05:16] <asimismo> Where can I find my grub config? My 5.04 machine boots fine but I expected my grub config in /boot/grub...
[05:16] <madmavric> ehhh im just curios, but a dvd virtual drive would be nice
[05:16] <nalioth> i know how the knoppix tohd=/dev/hda works, but the bootloader is still on the cd rom
[05:16] <nalioth> madmavric: make an iso image, and mount it
[05:16] <madmavric> well if it can be done in windows, it needs to be done in linux
[05:17] <madmavric> ok gotcha
[05:17] <nalioth> madmavric: i thought you were perhaps referring to odies problem
[05:17] <nickrud> madmavric virtural drives are trivial in linux
[05:17] <adwait> madmavric: well the software fooled windows into thinking tht another drive is connected to it........linux is smarter ;)
[05:17] <madmavric> ya i see that now
[05:17] <madmavric> well it is kinda handy
[05:18] <nalioth> did y'all miss me while i was workin?
[05:18] <adwait> madmavric: well actually.......it was meant for those games/softwares tht required their CD in the drive for them to run.....that's redundunt in linux because there are no such softwares
[05:18] <nickrud> of course
[05:18] <thenostradamus> reduntdant
[05:19] <thenostradamus> redundant**
[05:19] <adwait> aah.......i thought there was something wrong with mine..
[05:19] <barneyboo> g'day
[05:19] <barneyboo>   amaroK -  monitoring
[05:19] <adwait> gday barneyboo
[05:19] <barneyboo> allo
[05:20] <freddy> the acrobat version is outdated :(
[05:20] <freddy> on the repositorys
[05:20] <tiglionabbit> freddy: use xpdf fool
[05:20] <adwait> freddy: update it with apt-get :)
[05:20] <nalioth> freddy: stability over bling
[05:20] <adwait> lol
[05:20] <DekaPink> Okay... I'm wondering about Ubuntu and my new digital camera... I plan to install Ubuntu again in the near future, but I don't know anything about linux+digital cameras. :3
[05:20] <nalioth> freddy: on linux, if it works, there's no need to have the 'latest and greatest'
[05:20] <asimismo> I'm sure somebody here knows where Ubuntu keeps its grub.conf or menu.list. Anyone?
[05:20] <DekaPink> Will it just... work? :3
[05:21] <nickrud> DekaPink sometimes ;(
[05:21] <thenostradamus> in /etc/menu.lst
[05:21] <nalioth> DekaPink: i have an iBook running ubuntu, plugged my sisters camera in it, and it fired right up
[05:21] <tiglionabbit> asimismo: /boot/grub
[05:21] <nalioth> asimismo: open a terminal and type "locate grub.conf"
[05:21] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: i think its in a nonstandard place
[05:21] <DekaPink> nalioth: That's pretty nifty. :3
[05:21] <thenostradamus> there is no grub.conf
[05:21] <nickrud> DekaPink I've used 6 cameras, all but 2 have worked 'out of the box'
[05:21] <thenostradamus> just menu.lst
[05:21] <madmavric> anybody attempt to install gyach-e in ubuntu?
[05:22] <asimismo> tiglionabbit: Yeah, that's where I looked. Not there.
[05:22] <nalioth> DekaPink: ubuntu aims to "just work" and some things actually meet that criteria
[05:22] <thenostradamus> my fault
[05:22] <thenostradamus> it's in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:22] <DekaPink> I've got a Sony Cyber-shot DSC-P93
[05:22] <asimismo> I only find samples for menu.lst in /usr/share/doc
[05:22] <asimismo> I don't have a /boot/grub dir at all!
[05:23] <adwait> asimismo: its supppsed to be in /boot/grub for sure
[05:23] <nalioth> asimismo: use the terminal and "locate menu.lst"
[05:23] <thenostradamus> r u using another bootloader?
[05:23] <asimismo> No, don't think so.
[05:23] <adwait> asimismo: u sure u hv grub installed?
[05:23] <nickrud> DekaPink all I can say, is first, plug in the camera and see if something happens on the desktop.
[05:23] <asimismo> Dunno--I didn't customize grub on install.
[05:23] <adwait> asimismo: maybe ur using lilo? or NTLDR?
[05:23] <asimismo> No, grub shows on boot
[05:23] <nalioth> DekaPink: and if that doesnt happen, open a camera friendly app
[05:23] <adwait> asimismo: hmm
[05:24] <DekaPink> nickrud: I'll keep that in mind... I'm on WinXP right now, but I want to get back on Ubuntu ASAP. :) Thanks for your help, guys. :D
[05:24] <nalioth> adwait: NTLDR are you nutz?!!
[05:24] <adwait> naolioth: i hvnt used win xp......but isnt tht its boot loader?
[05:24] <asimismo> I did some convoluted partitioning and I'm trying to set up evms. Install went fine but now I can't customize my Grub config!
[05:24] <nickrud> DekaPink otherwise, google for gphoto and your camera
[05:25] <nalioth> adwait: yes, but i've NEVER seen it start linux
[05:25] <nalioth> asimismo: open a terminal and type "locate menu.lst"
[05:25] <adwait> nalioth: well.....i think i remember walking a friend thru editing the boot.ini file so tht it gives an option of starting grub
[05:25] <freddy> what was the program to add a menu entry on gnome?
[05:25] <freddy> gsem, sem?
[05:25] <freddy> something like that
[05:25] <asimismo> nalioth: Did that above--only found samples in /usr/doc
[05:25] <nalioth> adwait: i stay away from anything windows
[05:25] <nickrud> adwait smeg
[05:26] <adwait> lol
[05:26] <asimismo> Uh, /usr/share/doc, that is
[05:26] <freddy> that one!
[05:26] <adwait> nickrud: smeg?
[05:26] <freddy> smeg
[05:26] <adwait> ooh.....ok tht was for him
[05:26] <nickrud> yeah, the guy does have a sense of humor
[05:26] <thenostradamus> asimismo, cp /usr/share/doc/menu.lst /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:26] <nalioth> asimismo: well, this is indeed a mystery
[05:26] <freddy> oh not in apt-get :(
[05:26] <asimismo> thenostradamus: Yeah, thought about doing that. Wasn't sure what would happen...
[05:27] <freddy> how do i go about installing a .deb package?
[05:27] <DekaPink> Folks in here are always so helpful... Thanks all.  I know what I want in the file, I just wasn't sure where the file was that I wanted to change. I haven't seen that grub can have a default elsewhere...
[05:31] <nickrud> asimismo if grub was installed with dpkg, there must be a /boot/grub directory
[05:32] <asimismo> nickrud: It's not that I don't believe you...
[05:32] <nickrud> huh, I probably didn't read back far enough to see the real problem,
[05:32] <asimismo> I know it should be there--I'm stymied!
[05:32] <jtan325> if i downloaded an icon set, and it has an "index.theme" file, i should be able to install it using gnome-theme-manager?
[05:33] <adwait> jtan325: i dont remember correctly.........but theme manager wants a gz file i think
[05:33] <jtan325> oh....
[05:33] <nickrud> asimismo try apt-get install --reinstall grub
[05:33] <nickrud> asimismo or, that's the first thing i'd do if i had no grub directory
[05:34] <odie5533> nalioth: I am on Knoppix live cd, without the cd ;)
[05:34] <adwait> odie5533: how come?
[05:34] <jtan325> adwait, thanks, that was it
[05:34] <NeoGeo64> how come when i try and play games like tuxracer and zsnes it cant open sound, but i can listen to mp3s and stuff
[05:34] <adwait> jtan325: np
[05:34] <odie5533> adwait: It automatically copies itself to a hard disk on command
[05:35] <odie5533> very nice feature *cough* add too ubuntu *cough*
[05:35] <adwait> odie5533: isnt tht called "installing it to disk"
[05:35] <adwait> ?
[05:35] <odie5533> nope
[05:35] <asimismo> nickrud: There's also a grub-install script...
[05:35] <odie5533> since it doesnt touch the master boot record, or take over a partition/hard disk
[05:35] <adwait> NeoGeo64: maybe u hv configured those games to use the wrong output plugin
[05:35] <odie5533> it just copies it to any open space
[05:36] <adwait> hmm......k
[05:36] <adwait> cool
[05:37] <misfit_toy> how do I see what services are running....or stopped,  or restart them? isn't there a eimple gui for that?
[05:37] <nickrud> asimismo actually, I use lilo as my loader.  reinstalling any package should restore any missing files/directories.
[05:37] <thenostradamus> ps
[05:37] <dualBhelp> hey all i just installed ubuntu to my intire hd then used pt magic to make the partion a bit smaller then installed  and ntfs partion with xp on it to the free space
[05:37] <dualBhelp> how do i get ride off ntloader and reinstall grub?
[05:37] <adwait> dualBhelp: i believe win xp likes to be on the first sector
[05:37] <thenostradamus> uninstall windows
[05:38] <thenostradamus> :-D
[05:38] <adwait> :D
[05:38] <misfit_toy> how do I see what services are running....or stopped,  or restart them? isn't there a eimple gui for that?
[05:38] <thenostradamus> misfit
[05:38] <thenostradamus> open a terminal
[05:38] <adwait> misfit_toy: ps to see all running processes
[05:38] <thenostradamus> and type "ps"
[05:38] <adwait> ths not a gui though
[05:38] <misfit_toy> thenostradamus, I know how to use ps
[05:38] <misfit_toy> thenostradamus, I'm asking if there's a gui
[05:38] <thenostradamus> i don't know of any gui
[05:38] <freddy> jesus acrobat reader is FAST in linux
[05:39] <thenostradamus> try ps -auxt
[05:39] <thenostradamus> that makes it more readable
[05:39] <NeoGeo64> what is the proper output plugin to use
[05:39] <NeoGeo64> so  can get sound in games
[05:39] <nickrud> rcconf of the top of my head, there are some others (mostly ncurses)
[05:39] <NeoGeo64> i*
[05:39] <misfit_toy> FC had 'system-config-services' very nice
[05:39] <adwait> NeoGeo64: umm esd or alsa i guess
[05:39] <dualBhelp> adwait: na u can get a 98 boot disk and go fdisk /mbr and then install grub again i think
[05:39] <dualBhelp> just don't know ho
[05:39] <adwait> misfit_toy: yeah i was just thinking of tht
[05:39] <dualBhelp> w
[05:39] <misfit_toy> adwait, it was great
[05:39] <nalioth> dualBhelp: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[05:40] <misfit_toy> adwait, you could look at all your services, then restart, stop , etc....
[05:40] <adwait> misfit_toy: but i found FC to buggy...hence switched to ubuntu
[05:40] <dualBhelp> nalioth: awsome :D
[05:40] <dualBhelp> thanks
[05:40] <adwait> misfit_toy: right.......well u can edit the startup services in rcconf in ubuntu
[05:40] <misfit_toy> adwait, I love ubuntu, but I am still figuring out the poss...
[05:40] <tatiana> freddy, hey you're still here
[05:40] <adwait> to start stop /etc/init.d/<servicename> <start/stop/whtever>
[05:41] <misfit_toy> adwait, I know that, I"m asking if there is an ubuntu gui for it
[05:41] <tatiana> anyone know a way to edit the gnome menu to add an item or make a launcher & have it assume root privs as it runs your program
[05:41] <misfit_toy> guess not
[05:41] <adwait> misfit_toy: hmm apparently not
[05:41] <adwait> :)
[05:41] <freddy> tatiana, yes ! i just did it with a nice appl!
[05:41] <tatiana> lol
[05:41] <freddy> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38183
[05:41] <tatiana> freddy, i got the modem worky
[05:41] <tatiana> :)
[05:42] <freddy> get the autopackage
[05:42] <freddy> works aweseom
[05:42] <freddy> tatiana, thank god, i was worried cause i couldnt help you
[05:42] <tatiana> i'm on my own modem i scrounged for this laptop to test
[05:42] <thenostradamus> does anyone use shorewall?
[05:42] <tatiana> well wanna know how to do it
[05:42] <misfit_toy> adwait, for instance, I just installed spamassassin, but I want to make sure the daemon is runnning
[05:42] <tatiana> its so simple its stupid
[05:42] <nickrud> thenostradamus I've used it before, yes
[05:42] <freddy> <----killerwall user
[05:42] <IceDC571> killerwall?
[05:42] <nickrud> I'm lazily using firestarter at the moment
[05:43] <thenostradamus> did u have it configured with ur machine being a gateway to ur local network nickrud?
[05:43] <adwait> misfit_toy: hmm...i guess theres no gui for tht...but u can /etc/init.d/spamassasin status (i thinkk)
[05:43] <freddy> IceDC571, its what we use at our company http://www.killerwall.net/
[05:43] <misfit_toy> adwait, yeah, ok, you pretty much answered my question
[05:43] <misfit_toy> no gui
[05:43] <misfit_toy> damn
[05:43] <misfit_toy> that's lame
[05:43] <tatiana> freddy, do:  wvdial /etc/wvdial.conf (makes a new conf file)
[05:43] <adwait> actually i like the power and fleibility of commandline
[05:43] <IceDC571> lol omg why are so many people using windows in here?
[05:43] <nickrud> thenostradamus I had a few machines to play with a while ago, and, yes I did then. But It was a while ago.
[05:44] <freddy> tatiana, ohhh
[05:44] <tatiana> then after its done making it, edit /etc/wvdial.conf and put in your ISP #, login/pword after removing the semicolons from in front of those lines
[05:44] <thenostradamus> oh, do u by any chance remember how to forward ur ip.........i had it working a while ago
[05:44] <nickrud> thenostradamus but my recollection was that the shorewall site had a woring config for just that\
[05:44] <thenostradamus> yeah
[05:45] <thenostradamus> i can't figure out what i changed though:-/
[05:45] <freddy> tatiana, thats the kinda things you should write on a tutorial and throw it over ubuntuforums
[05:45] <nickrud> thenostradamus, you need some revision control :)
[05:45] <NeoGeo64> how do i change my sound output
[05:46] <IceDC571> happy 4th everyone!!
[05:46] <thenostradamus> hahahhaha
[05:46] <thenostradamus> most definitely
[05:46] <tatiana> ya
[05:46] <NeoGeo64> everytime i start zsnes it says Sound Init Failed
[05:46] <tatiana> maybe i will.
[05:46] <adwait> NeoGeo64: for which software?
[05:46] <freddy> dang...i like this, i would use it just because of the look of the site lol http://www.killerwall.net/
[05:46] <tatiana> heh b/c the forums are useless  on that one.
[05:46] <thenostradamus> there's no ubuntu package though, freddy
[05:47] <NeoGeo64> I am able to listen to music, but I can't listen to flash animations, sound in games like tuxracer or zsnes
[05:47] <freddy> no, its just a script..and the explanation its quite understable thenostradamus
[05:47] <FoamY_is_AwaY> whars tuxracer?
[05:47] <adwait> NeoGeo64: flash animations is a differnet issue althogheter
[05:47] <freddy> actually i know the developer, and he uses ubuntu
[05:47] <freddy> FoamY_is_AwaY, game
[05:47] <FoamY_is_AwaY> can i get it and how?
[05:47] <tatiana> freddy, how big is that Smeg thing
[05:47] <NeoGeo64> why cant i get sound?
[05:47] <freddy> tatiana, really really small
[05:47] <freddy> tatiana, download the autopackage
[05:48] <tatiana> how small
[05:48] <tatiana> less than a meg?
[05:48] <freddy> run it from console..and it will get all the packages for you
[05:48] <freddy> yup
[05:48] <tatiana> and the packages are how big
[05:48] <freddy> the autopackage is 1.5kb
[05:48] <freddy> hehe
[05:48] <NeoGeo64> can anyone help me
[05:48] <nickrud> the best part of using shorewall is that it's in main. Security support trumps most things.
[05:49] <adwait> NeoGeo64: for flash try this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=41051&highlight=flash+sound+firefox
[05:49] <freddy> i dont know tati, but not more than 600kb
[05:49] <tatiana> ya but how big are the packages it d/ls after
[05:49] <tatiana> ok
[05:49] <tatiana> cuz dialup = the suckage
[05:49] <freddy> gotcha
[05:50] <tatiana> hm
[05:50] <tatiana> i have to rightclick & save as??
[05:50] <freddy> now THIS looks interesting http://www.racer.nl/
[05:50] <freddy> tatiana, yap
[05:51] <tatiana> then what
[05:51] <adwait> hey somebody tell me.......hows is this possible: http://www.theunion.net/?page=dbb
[05:51] <IceDC571> dsl is cheaper than dial up now i dont see why you would still be using it
[05:51] <tatiana> bc in some places its not
[05:51] <tatiana> and some ppl are poor.
[05:52] <daile> hey, I have USB laser printer Lexmark E210, and it's connected directly to my Ubuntu desktop. Everything works fine, except printing is much slower than when I use Windows XP. If anyone knows about that, please help me to speed thing up!
[05:52] <freddy> tatiana,
[05:52] <freddy> right click it
[05:52] <freddy> properties...give it perms to execute
[05:52] <freddy> and then double click it
[05:52] <adwait> tatiana: whr r u
[05:52] <tatiana> ok
[05:52] <freddy> when it asks how to open....tell it to open on a terminal
[05:52] <tatiana> i'm in canda but my friend who needs this stuff is in texas.
[05:53] <tatiana> freddy, k ty
[05:53] <adwait> tatiana: hmm....
[05:53] <tatiana> shrugs she says dsl an cable there is $40/month
[05:54] <nickrud> daile you should go to linuxprinting.org, and search for your printer. It's not perfect, but it often has up to date info about printers, and the proper drivers to use.
[05:54] <daile> thanks nickrud
[05:54] <IceDC571> ouch.. dsl is $15/month here
[05:54] <adwait> tatiana: $40!!!!
[05:54] <kdp> ........where is "here"
[05:54] <kdp> i must move there.
[05:54] <freddy> this is what i hate of linux in some ways....on this game for linux site, it says this    	Instead of just downloading prepared files, also try creating your own cars or tracks with editors like 3D Studio Max (tm) from Discreet.
[05:55] <freddy> =/
[05:55] <IceDC571> sf, california
[05:55] <adwait> tatiana: i am in india.....and my connection 256 kbps costs abt $10 a month
[05:55] <freddy> there is no such thing like 3d Studio Max for linux =/
[05:55] <NeoGeo64> ok i have sound in firefox but i still cant get sound in games!
[05:55] <daile> nickrud: I've searched in that website already, and nothing special about my printer. I think have the proper driver though. It's just not that fast. The weird thing when I share my printer using Ubuntu, and then try to print from a Windows Laptop, it prints really fast!
[05:56] <daile> Dont' know why
[05:56] <tatiana> apparently the only dsl isp there is verizon
[05:56] <IceDC571> hmm... lexmark has some issues with linux is what i heard
[05:56] <tatiana> its a monopoly
[05:56] <adwait> aah
[05:56] <daile> IceDC571: yeah I think so too
[05:56] <kdp> well im in texas and we have alltell.
[05:56] <kdp> well, i dont, but its available.
[05:56] <tatiana> shes in san angelo
[05:57] <IceDC571> hopefully sbc will buy verizon in that area.. that way she'll get good prices for dsl.. fast too
[05:57] <ions> anyone know how I can remotely see a client's desktop?
[05:57] <kdp> mhm that maybe b/c san angelo is kinda small.
[05:57] <thenostradamus> ions, vnc
[05:57] <tatiana> freddy, i'm installing this thing now to see how well it will go on dialup ... heh ty.
[05:57] <IceDC571> ions: freenx too
[05:57] <ions> one of the people I support deleted the taskbar in Gnome and is clueless to get it back
[05:57] <adwait> ions: system>preferences>remote desktop
[05:58] <daile> IceDC571: Lexmark E210 driver is just weird, because they use a special kind of old Samsung GDI driver. When I tried using Fedora, printing is also very slow!
[05:58] <tatiana> IceDC571, ya wel that'd be nice
[05:58] <adwait> after tht on ur pc: applications>internmet>remote desktop
[05:58] <nickrud> daile I have an hp printer that prints incredibly slow under hpoj, and works very nicely under hplip, so, I'm not suprised.
[05:58] <freddy> tatiana, is it downloading the packages?
[05:58] <tatiana> yes its smallish i guess by US standards
[05:58] <tatiana> yes freddy
[05:58] <tatiana> i have 5 hours free so ...
[05:58] <freddy> hotness
[05:58] <IceDC571> i would kill myself if i downloaded packages with dialup there
[05:58] <kdp> maybe not US standards, but certainly texas standards :-)
[05:59] <ions> I don't have applications > internet > remote desktop
[05:59] <daile> nickrud: yeah, it's quite sad though, because whenever I want to print (>100 pages), I have to use a Windows computer and try to print from there using Samba
[05:59] <freddy> cant you use directv or something?
[05:59] <adwait> ions: yeah i realised tht
[05:59] <tatiana> using up a few of em to test this out
[05:59] <adwait> ions: use the command vncviewer <friends ip>
[05:59] <tatiana> well kdp i wouldn't know that
[05:59] <tatiana> hehe
[05:59] <IceDC571> texas has good cell phone reception, you could get broadband speeds by hooking up your cell to the computer internet
[05:59] <IceDC571> but it costs like.. $70/month lol
[05:59] <tatiana> lol
[05:59] <tatiana> shes poor dude
[05:59] <kdp> hahahahhahaha.
[06:00] <adwait> *thinks
[06:00] <tatiana> k now how do i run this smeg thingy
[06:00] <IceDC571> adwait: depends where you live
[06:00] <tatiana> it installed
[06:00] <kdp> smeg...what a bad name.  its so...weird.
[06:00] <tatiana> ya nokidding'
[06:00] <tatiana> considering what it means *yech*
[06:00] <adwait> IceDC571: well i am in india.........and everything they said costs like 1/4th here
[06:01] <freddy> here is $50/month =/
[06:01] <IceDC571> adwait: is everything illegal there? lol
[06:01] <IceDC571> imported and such
[06:01] <adwait> IceDC571: huh?
[06:01] <ions> do I have to open a port for vncviewer to connect?
[06:01] <adwait> IceDC571: how can internet access be imported
[06:01] <adwait> ?
[06:01] <thenostradamus> ions, 5900
[06:01] <daile> kdp: smeg = Simple Menu Editor for Gnome
[06:01] <freddy> LOOL
[06:01] <daile> :)
[06:01] <IceDC571> no i mean dvds and electronics
[06:01] <adwait> ions: system>preferences>remote desktop on ur clients pc opens the port
[06:01] <kdp> daile: yeah, but its still weird.
[06:01] <ions> he deleted that menu
[06:02] <adwait> after tht u connect using vncviewer <ip>:0
[06:02] <tatiana> freddy, how do u run this ;P
[06:02] <kdp> adwait: it may be cheaper, but arent wages lower as well?  thats the whole outsourcing thing.
[06:02] <adwait> IceDC571: no everything is made here...just tht cost of labour/production is much lower here.........remember a thing called outsourcing to bangalore?
[06:02] <daile> kdp: yeah I hate that name too, it's just a bad name for such a good tool
[06:02] <adwait> kdp: yeah i guess.......
[06:02] <freddy> tatiana, Applications/SystemTools/
[06:03] <freddy> Smeg Menu Editor
[06:03] <tatiana> oh duh
[06:03] <tatiana> i missed it
[06:03] <tatiana> k ty :)
[06:03] <freddy> ;)
[06:03] <tatiana> now to figure out how to edit a menu item to run as root
[06:03] <adwait> ions: deleted wht menu? the system menu
[06:03] <adwait> ?
[06:04] <freddy> i dont know how ppl have problems with ipods?
[06:04] <freddy> i just plugged mine..and it worked
[06:04] <freddy> lol
[06:05] <tatiana> k freddy ?
[06:05] <freddy> k what tati?
[06:05] <freddy> :)
[06:05] <tatiana> so far this just edits things like i was doing before, i don't see how to get an entry to run as root
[06:05] <tatiana> wvdial needs to be run as root after all
[06:05] <IceDC571> adwait: can i bring my snowboard to india?
[06:05] <kdp> ooooooooooo snow.
[06:06] <tatiana> snow?
[06:06] <daile> kdp: what's up LOL?
[06:06] <kdp> well i assume if Ice is gonna bring his snowboard theres snow.
[06:07] <tatiana> freddy wake up!
[06:07] <tatiana> :)
[06:07] <adwait> IceDC571: well not where i live.....but yeah.in some plaes
[06:07] <adwait> *places
[06:07] <adwait> :D
[06:07] <SirGrok> Is anyone having a problem with the Ubuntu apt-get repositories going screechingly slow?
[06:07] <ksmurf> hello all
[06:07] <daile> how do we call someone who uses Ubuntu?
[06:07] <daile> Ubuntist?
[06:07] <SirGrok> I am dlownloading at 3000 b/s
[06:07] <kdp> Ubuntunite
[06:07] <daile> haha
[06:07] <ksmurf> Sir 500-800 kBs if that's slow
[06:07] <adwait> SIRGrok: try using mirrors
[06:07] <thenostradamus> ubuntuer
[06:07] <IceDC571> ubuntunian?
[06:07] <thenostradamus> lmao
[06:07] <crimsun> daile: a Ubuntu user
[06:08] <daile> Ubuntunian sounds cool
[06:08] <IceDC571> yeah, shes an ubunter lol
[06:08] <SirGrok> adwait, I am afriad that I don't know of what you speak.
[06:08] <daile> crimsun: Ubuntu user doesn't sound cool
[06:08] <adwait> daile: u call him a "cool dude" :d
[06:08] <adwait> :d
[06:08] <tatiana> anyone know how to make a launcher or menu entry work as root or run the program it refers to as Root
[06:08] <daile> "cool dude" + Ubuntu --> Ubuncool
[06:08] <ksmurf> Is there another way (shell script or something) of issuing commds to gnome on startup?
[06:09] <adwait> !repostries
[06:09] <ubotu> adwait: I don't know, could you explain it?
[06:09] <ksmurf> tat in the command use sudo .....
[06:09] <SQFreak> freddy: USB or IEEE1394 iPod?
[06:09] <adwait> !repostories
[06:09] <ubotu> adwait: Bugger all, i dunno
[06:09] <tatiana> ya but then it will pop up a password box?
[06:10] <FoamY_is_wiccan> anyone here broadcast with shoutcast?
[06:10] <freddy> SQFreak, USB ipod
[06:10] <kdp> tatiana: yeah, i dont think you can avoid that.
[06:10] <tatiana> k
[06:10] <SirGrok> adwait,  how do I use alternative mirros?
[06:11] <adwait> SirGrok: Open up synaptic
[06:11] <SirGrok> Done
[06:11] <tatiana> ooooo no it didn't this time but ty :)
[06:11] <freddy> tatiana, here, whats up
[06:11] <ksmurf> the only way u could avoid it is run as root... which should not be an option
[06:11] <ksmurf> Is there another way (shell script or something) of issuing commds to gnome on startup?
[06:11] <tatiana> k i'm going
[06:11] <kdp> tatiana: it saves it for a while.
[06:11] <adwait> settings>repostories
[06:11] <tatiana> its ok kdp answered me freddy
[06:11] <kdp> so you dont put the pword in every time.
[06:11] <freddy> tatiana, :(
[06:11] <freddy> now you love him and not me
[06:11] <freddy> FINE
[06:11] <ksmurf> other that in the sessions box
[06:11] <SirGrok> got it.
[06:11] <tatiana> LOL
[06:11] <kdp> hahahahaha.
[06:12] <IceDC571> Welcome to Fedora. Home of dependency hell.
[06:12] <SQFreak> freddy: i'd imagine that's a little easier than a 1394 one (which is what I have...but only sync in Windows so I don't know how it goes in Ubuntu.  Anyone?
[06:13] <freddy> no kiss for freddy
[06:13] <freddy> :(
[06:13] <SQFreak> IceDC571: Nay, I vote for Mandrake (now Mandriva) for dependency hell.  I can't test it now because I lost my 6-pin to 4-pin 1394 adapter, otherwise i'd test it.
[06:14] <freddy> i did the fix that its in ubuntu forums for the fonts...and they look awesome....
[06:14] <speel> http://www.speel3k.net/art/Screenshot.png i love mine better ;)
[06:14] <freddy> look at the screenshot :D
[06:14] <kdp> fireworks scare my dog.
[06:14] <SQFreak> Speaking of which, anyone know if Best Buy sells 6-pin to 4-pin 1394 adapters?
[06:15] <freddy> SQFreak, ah ok
[06:15] <SQFreak> Or anywhere for that matter.
[06:15] <freddy> it worked just fine here
[06:15] <SQFreak> adwait: which is probably why Best Buy wouldn't sell it.
[06:15] <IceDC571> SQFreak: turn on the fun! Breast Buy!
[06:15] <freddy> speel, do you know of the fix for the fonts?
[06:15] <adwait> :D
[06:15] <speel> nah , What fix?
[06:16] <dennis_> Hello Everyone
[06:16] <dennis_> I have a quick question :D
[06:16] <IceDC571> Hello Dennis
[06:16] <ksmurf> Is there another way (shell script or something) of issuing commds to gnome on startup? Anyone?
[06:16] <IceDC571> i've come here to steal your cat.
[06:16] <dennis_> Mostly everyone here uses gnome right?
[06:16] <ksmurf> hey Dennis
[06:16] <dr_willis> ksmurf,  to do what exatly?
[06:16] <adwait> dennis: yeah..
[06:16] <thenostradamus> SQFreak: try Fry's
[06:16] <dennis_> you all know of the weather widget right?
[06:16] <adwait> yeah.
[06:16] <adwait> ..
[06:16] <SQFreak> thenostradamus: the nearest Fry's is Atlanta. :)
[06:16] <thenostradamus> damn
[06:16] <thenostradamus> sorry
[06:16] <IceDC571> SQFreak: ahh, east coast eh?
[06:17] <SQFreak> IceDC571: North Carolina.
[06:17] <SQFreak> And the nearest CompUSA is a 45 minute drive away.
[06:17] <dennis_> What happens if my area isn't listen on it? Like i put the closed city and it says 66 degrees but when I go on weather .com is says my current town is like 59
[06:17] <dennis_> Is there any way of adding zip codes or anything?
[06:17] <SQFreak> But the store that runs compoutlet.com is a five-minute drive away, so I'm hoping they have it and it's just not on the Website.
[06:17] <adwait> dennis_: 1)move 2)wait for ur area to be added
[06:17] <dennis_> lol
[06:17] <kdp> dennis_: if you use firefox, you can use forecast fox...but youll have to load a browser each time
[06:17] <dennis_> Hmm
[06:18] <FoamY_is_wiccan> whats the comand to install vmware?
[06:18] <dennis_> Okay
[06:18] <kdp> and forecast fox has a zip code enterer thingy.
[06:18] <crimsun> SQFreak: not close to an intrex or stayonline?
[06:18] <dennis_> Is there any other gnome weather things?
[06:18] <SirGrok> adwait, I have found this, but I don't know how to add it to the apt server http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/url.php
[06:18] <dennis_> Where I can add a zipcode
[06:18] <thenostradamus> Foamy: perl vmware-config.pl
[06:18] <thenostradamus> i think
[06:18] <freddy> speel, the fix on ubuntuforums
[06:18] <FoamY_is_wiccan> thanx
[06:18] <freddy> to make them look crisp
[06:18] <freddy> gonna get the link
[06:19] <IceDC571> to make them look like M$ fonts lol
[06:19] <Miks> what can i do when i get an advise like "old style mounting not supported" ?
[06:19] <dr_willis> ksmurf,  to start firefox. you can save the gnome session. for the mouse issue.. you may want to edt the system wide xsession or the gnome.desktop
[06:19] <speel> freddy, do you know what catagory?
[06:19] <SQFreak> crimsun: Intrex is the same distance as Best Buy. I can try there. StayOnline is in Raleigh; I'm in Winston-Salem (2hr drive).
[06:19] <kdp> actually when i zoomed in on windows fonts they looked pretty bad.
[06:19] <IceDC571> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20976
[06:19] <adwait> SirGrok: like i said synaptic, Settings>respostories and then select add
[06:19] <crimsun> SQFreak: drive east to Greensboro and go to Ahead Computers on Battleground Avenue.
[06:19] <adwait> then edit it and change the url
[06:19] <freddy> speel, tips and tricks
[06:20] <IceDC571> speel: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20976
[06:20] <speel> ah ty
[06:20] <crimsun> SQFreak: actually there's an Intrex in Greensboro, too
[06:20] <FoamY_is_wiccan> thanx
[06:20] <SQFreak> crimsun: Know anything in Charlotte? I'm moving down to Mecklenburg County for my job next week.
[06:21] <dr_willis> ksmurf,  the /etc/X11/xsession perhaps.. i forget. ;p
[06:21] <crimsun> SQFreak: charlotte has quite a few of the sort, though I'm not as familiar as I am with G'boro, since I was born in G'boro.
[06:21] <dennis_> Guys
[06:21] <adwait> SirGrok: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:21] <speel> ah way to much work
[06:21] <arentie> hey everyone, I just got Vpnc working!  Yahoo!!!
[06:21] <dennis_> How do I update firefox...when synaptic doesn't say it needs to be updated
[06:21] <dennis_> but mozilla.org does
[06:21] <freddy> speel, LOL
[06:21] <adwait> dennis_
[06:22] <freddy> hey someone show me screenshots of yours
[06:22] <SQFreak> crimsun: Ah. Where are you living now?
[06:22] <adwait> dennis_: type about config in mozilla address bar
[06:22] <mig`> 'evening
[06:22] <crimsun> SQFreak: Rochester, MN.
[06:22] <dr_willis> dennis_, thats a version issue.
[06:22] <dennis_> ???
[06:22] <adwait> dennis_: search for a key called general.useragnet.vendorsub and change its value to 1.0.4
[06:22] <arentie> dennis_, do a about:config in the addres bar of firefox and follow what needs to be done searching ubuntu's support and/or wiki
[06:22] <mig`> oh, btw crimsun i got it working, i had to install ubuntu in vmware in order to get mkinitrd to work from there
[06:22] <adwait> dennis_: sime
[06:22] <dennis_> k
[06:22] <crimsun> mig`: excellent
[06:22] <mig`> crimsun, the livecd uses the 386 kernel, ubuntu installs the 686 kernel
[06:22] <freddy> crimsun, heya man! thanks for all the help!
[06:22] <crimsun> freddy: np
[06:23] <mig`> which is why mkinitrd couldn't find the right kernel folder when making the initrd file
[06:23] <mig`> thinking of writing a wiki article on it, haven't figured out how to go around the wiki yet, but thats for later
[06:23] <crimsun> mig`: it has installed the -386 in my experience
[06:23] <mig`> crimsun, i meant in my particular case
[06:23] <SQFreak> crimsun: Okay, so definitively not in the area.
[06:23] <FoamY_is_wiccan> u3m00n3
[06:23] <arentie> will vmware allow one to install Windows XP?
[06:24] <thenostradamus> arentie, yes
[06:24] <mig`> right now i'm trying to figure out how to install a .deb (or .rpm) package
[06:24] <mig`> any ideas?
[06:24] <arentie> is vmware free for ubuntu?
[06:24] <ksmurf> arentie Yes
[06:24] <ksmurf> arentie No
[06:24] <crimsun> mig`: dpkg -i foo.deb
[06:24] <thenostradamus> lmao @ ksmurf
[06:24] <adwait> mig: for *.deb: sudo dpkh -i <filename>
[06:24] <mig`> also, how can i execute a file from nautils as sudo
[06:24] <freddy> WHAT_!_!_!??
[06:24] <freddy> is vmware free for ubuntu? holy shiat
[06:24] <freddy> gonna call a couple of friends
[06:24] <SQFreak> mig`: for an rpm, sudo alien filename.rpm
[06:24] <freddy> brb
[06:24] <adwait> mig: for rpm.....first sudo alien <filename> and thn whn deb is created use dpkg
[06:25] <arentie> just asking...i heard some good things about vmware
[06:25] <adwait> *mig: dpkg not dpkh
[06:25] <SQFreak> freddy: no, arentie was answering yes to installing XP on VMWare, no to freeness.
[06:25] <arentie> can one install Mac OSX running vmware?
[06:25] <thenostradamus> arentie, yes
[06:25] <thenostradamus> arentie, no
[06:25] <thenostradamus> hahah
[06:25] <mig`> says dpkg command not found
[06:26] <ksmurf> arentie 188 dollars a lic
[06:26] <mig`> (i did 'sudo')
[06:26] <FoamY_is_wiccan> vm ware is kinda cool
[06:26] <adwait> mig`: ?
[06:26] <arentie> ouch
[06:26] <thenostradamus> check vmware.com arentie
[06:26] <kdp> oh look thenostradamus you went and did it again.
[06:26] <SQFreak> how can dpkg be not found?!?
[06:26] <FoamY_is_wiccan> it laggs so hardcore though
[06:26] <freddy> oh shiat...now my friends will kick my ass
[06:26] <adwait> mig`: u sure u spelt it right? dpkg?
[06:26] <mig`> my mistake
[06:26] <mig`> dkpg*
[06:26] <mig`> ok, its installing now
[06:26] <mig`> hmm
[06:26] <arentie> well, i'm sure that Windows runs better in Linux via VMWare
[06:27] <thenostradamus> Foamy, u prolly need more memory
[06:27] <thenostradamus> what guest os r u running?
[06:27] <ksmurf> is there a compatible script to a bat file in ubuntu?
[06:27] <freddy> arentie, for that you just need maconlinux.org
[06:27] <daile> freddy: have a look at my screenshot http://www.cas.mcmaster.ca/~ledt/test/Screenshot.png :P
[06:27] <adwait> ksmurf: ?
[06:27] <FoamY_is_wiccan> yea i need more
[06:27] <crimsun> ksmurf: any executable script file.
[06:27] <kdp> ksmurk: im guessing something like .sh?
[06:27] <FoamY_is_wiccan> but it's really hard when your disabled
[06:27] <adwait> naah.....any text file will do
[06:27] <arentie> freddy, does maconlinux.org require a Mac or a PC?
[06:27] <FoamY_is_wiccan> it makes buying programs harder
[06:28] <adwait> just chmod +x it
[06:28] <mig`> so to run an application from inside nautils (as root)
[06:28] <FoamY_is_wiccan> >.<
[06:28] <kdp> really.
[06:28] <thenostradamus> tru tru
[06:28] <FoamY_is_wiccan> i wish i was normal so i could afford to pay for things like you guys
[06:28] <SQFreak> daile: what IRC client is that?
[06:28] <adwait> mig`: no idea.........dunno if u can do tht
[06:28] <freddy> arentie, requires a ppc
[06:28] <daile> SQFreak: it's Gaim LOL
[06:28] <freddy> daile, NICE!
[06:28] <daile> thnx
[06:28] <daile> :P
[06:28] <mig`> hmm, i see
[06:28] <arentie> freddy, not in about a year though! :)
[06:28] <adwait> ksmurf: umm...was just asking abt ur question....
[06:28] <mig`> i was thinking of something like windows's "Run As..."
[06:29] <freddy> arentie, exactly ;)
[06:29] <FoamY_is_wiccan> i wish i had money and was wealthy or even middle class
[06:29] <freddy> or if you get a mac mini..it will be in a couple of months ;)
[06:29] <FoamY_is_wiccan> then i could pay for all the great software they come out with
[06:29] <daile> SQFreak: I dont think Gaim is perfect for IRC though
[06:29] <FoamY_is_wiccan> cause i really do feel bad about making warez
[06:30] <SQFreak> daile: I use X-Chat.
[06:30] <adwait> ksmurf: like i said.....make any file and write each commanbd on a new line,,,,,,,,and then chmod +x <filename>
[06:30] <adwait> after tht u can execute the script using ./<filename>
[06:30] <daile> SQFreak: yeah it's much better with all more powerful color highlight
[06:30] <IRCMonkey> I have money and I still only pay for software that is extraordinary...you feel bad Foamy? for what, cheating Bill and Melinda out of being able to save one more child? hahahahahaha
[06:31] <SQFreak> I actually use a painful mix between KDE and Gnome apps.
[06:31] <FoamY_is_wiccan> no i feel good cheating bill out his apps
[06:31] <FoamY_is_wiccan> and mandala as well
[06:31] <nickrud> mig`, you can write scripts that can be run from inside nautilus, and they can be wrapped with sudo.
[06:31] <speel> people still pay for software?
[06:31] <FoamY_is_wiccan> but when it comes to linux
[06:31] <mig`> i see
[06:31] <FoamY_is_wiccan> i feel bad making warez
[06:31] <daile> SQFreak: how come it's painful?
[06:31] <FoamY_is_wiccan> because linux is actually.....honist
[06:31] <thenostradamus> don't feel bad
[06:32] <FoamY_is_wiccan> well i do cause linux developers are reall genusus
[06:32] <IceDC571> linux.. honest?
[06:32] <FoamY_is_wiccan> and they deserve the mony they are due
[06:32] <nickrud> mig` for example, I have a vim root right click on a text file in nautilus
[06:32] <FoamY_is_wiccan> unlike m$
[06:32] <IceDC571> i cant believe i actually bought there OS
[06:32] <FoamY_is_wiccan> i actually feel bad about ripping of linux apps that you have to apy for
[06:32] <IceDC571> then i decided to switch to linux right after
[06:33] <SQFreak> daile: because nothing is QUITE perfect. X-Chat looks a little odd, and KDE doesn't want to see Gaim as a real IM client (it's quite insistent on Kopete). And, while I prefer the something-ness of the KDE interface, there's something missing.
[06:33] <FoamY_is_wiccan> m$ stuff i coulden't care less
[06:33] <kdp> too bad it comes with every new computer.
[06:33] <arentie> hey does anyone know how to solve hibernation issues after I successfully configured ndiswrapper?
[06:33] <SQFreak> daile: and kynaptic really sux0rz.
[06:33] <arentie> more specifically, my wlan0
[06:33] <IRCMonkey> it might help if MS could produce a stable and non-privacy invading/memory efficient OS...as it is I feel good everytime I use the software and know I didn't help to make more of the crap.
[06:33] <IceDC571> its not bad that it comes with every new computer
[06:33] <FoamY_is_wiccan> i beleve that every linux programmer should get paid for there work cause there doing it for the people
[06:33] <mig`> hmmm ok
[06:33] <IceDC571> i like being different from everyone else
[06:34] <FoamY_is_wiccan> not like m$ who does it for them selves
[06:34] <mig`> hmm, i have a file that keeps disappearing whenever i right click on it
[06:34] <mig`> i guess nautilus still has its bugs
[06:34] <speel> Lol you guys are funny :P
[06:34] <daile> SQFreak: yeah I had that problem too, man. But I tried to stick with Gnome, although i use Kile a lot for all my Tex typesetting stuffs
[06:34] <kdp> you never know.  some linux developer might REALLY have wanted to see his dvds in colored ascii.
[06:34] <IRCMonkey> i said i'd pay for extraordinary software...I stand by that statment
[06:34] <kdp> and thus did it for himself.
[06:34] <FoamY_is_wiccan> yes i would pay too
[06:35] <adwait> well.......im off for now ppl.....
[06:35] <FoamY_is_wiccan> but like i said linux is diffrent
[06:35] <nickrud> well, if I ever become wealthy, I'd put a bit into bounties :)
[06:35] <adwait> bbye
[06:35] <SQFreak> daile: KDE just seems a little smoother to me for some reason...
[06:35] <FoamY_is_wiccan> if i ever won the lottery i would donate it to ubuntu
[06:35] <daile> SQFreak: I absolutely agree
[06:35] <FoamY_is_wiccan> and i swear to that
[06:35] <IRCMonkey> i'm thinking about buying/donating to ubuntu...because its thge first linux that i've had work without hours of time fixing it.
[06:35] <concept10> anyone familiar with dyndns?
[06:35] <daile> SQFreak: it looks much better hehe!
[06:35] <FoamY_is_wiccan> ubuntu is the future i think
[06:35] <SQFreak> So, IceDC571's statement about being different from everyone else reminds me of a favor that I'm in the process of doing for a friend and co-worker and need a bit of help on. It's Ubuntu-related. Give me a sec to type it out.
[06:35] <speel> FoamY_is_wiccan, i think ubuntu has enough money thanks to the owner
[06:35] <thenostradamus> concept: yes
[06:35] <FoamY_is_wiccan> yea true
[06:35] <arentie> I agree with IRCMonkey...ubuntu is a solid OS
[06:35] <FoamY_is_wiccan> but anymore can't help
[06:36] <FoamY_is_wiccan> most of the money would be for bountys for stuff i'd like to see fixed
[06:36] <speel> FoamY_is_wiccan, you'll just end up sending him to space again LOl
[06:36] <FoamY_is_wiccan> and things that i'd want to see done
[06:36] <freddy> ill spend it all in prostitutes
[06:36] <FoamY_is_wiccan> no
[06:36] <daile> SQFreak, I'm using Xchat now, hehe... I just love apt-get so much!
[06:36] <arentie> Does anyone here have problems with hibernating ?
[06:36] <IRCMonkey> yeah i'd support that...like the documentation lol
[06:36] <thenostradamus> lmao @ freddy
[06:36] <IceDC571> i would donate my money to the gnome foundation
[06:36] <FoamY_is_wiccan> cause it would go to the actuall developers
[06:36] <FoamY_is_wiccan> and not some rich sob
[06:36] <freddy> hahahaha it is true!
[06:37] <freddy> plain and simple
[06:37] <freddy> :)
[06:37] <speel> i would donate my money to my pocket =D
[06:37] <kdp> hahahahahaha.
[06:37] <kdp> i second speel.
[06:37] <FoamY_is_wiccan> i would give the money to people who actually do the work
[06:37] <speel> good :)
[06:37] <freddy> yes
[06:37] <thenostradamus> i would buy a starbucks
[06:37] <freddy> and those are prostitutes
[06:37] <freddy> :)
[06:37] <kdp> HAHAHAHAH
[06:37] <kdp> thenostradamus: across the street from another starbucks?
[06:37] <FoamY_is_wiccan> there are alot of great minds out there that make this software possible
[06:37] <FoamY_is_wiccan> and they need the due credit
[06:38] <FoamY_is_wiccan> even if we take it for granted
[06:38] <SQFreak> I installed Ubuntu on an ancient Compaq DeskPro which was incredibly successful except the X-server seems a little weird. The screen is mis-colored and whenever the pointer is dragged around, it creates a large block of further discoloration and pixelation on the screen. Switching to TTY1 shows lines all mixed up into each other - almost as if the line length changed! I'm not quite sure where to start troubleshooting.
[06:38] <IceDC571> omg why would you buy a starbucks? they're like everywhere
[06:38] <freddy> i would buy a prostitute for each developer...ill get credit
[06:38] <arentie> buy prostitutes to go to One Microsoft Way, Seattle WA and ask for Mr. Steve Ballmer
[06:38] <daile> Oh, does anyone have problem with Enterprise Volume Manager.  Sometimes, when I reboot, it's just stuck there for no reason!
[06:40] <mgcross> hi all
[06:41] <IceDC571> i want to develop an app for Mac OS X called iSuck
[06:41] <eno> oh thanks!
[06:41] <ksmurf> Foamy .... make me wish
[06:41] <eno> that's smart
[06:41] <ksmurf> lol
[06:41] <mgcross> looking on advice for usb headset to use with Skype...any suggestions?
[06:41] <speel> Lol ms has enough money to buy osama and his alwhatevers
[06:41] <SRL2k5> nesecito ayuda con mi ubuto???????
[06:41] <SQFreak> daile: the biggest problem I have with KDE is not being able to press Ctrl+F4 to close a Firefox tab :)
[06:41] <daile> SQFreak, yeah that's true
[06:41] <freddy> what kinda of a tard game is legostarwars?
[06:41] <eno> thank you, that was great.
[06:41] <freddy> lol
[06:41] <IceDC571> mgcross: what advice do you need?
[06:41] <daile> SQFreak, can you redefine it?
[06:42] <arentie> I think Google should be able to Osama now...
[06:42] <ksmurf> hey is the order portion of the sessions command like priority ?
[06:42] <kdp> i think theres a spanish channel around here somewhere.
[06:42] <thenostradamus> SQFreak, try Ctrl+W
[06:42] <arentie> I think Google should be able to find Osama now
[06:42] <kdp> for SRL2k5
[06:42] <SQFreak> daile: See, I haven't seen where that particular shortcut is defined.
[06:42] <SRL2k5> no entiendo ingles hablen en espaol
[06:42] <SQFreak> thenostradamus: Thanks.
[06:42] <freddy> SRL2k5, entra en el cuarto #ubuntu-es
[06:42] <thenostradamus> np
[06:43] <SRL2k5> k mas hago
[06:43] <freddy> O_o
[06:43] <daile> SQFreak, yeah? Did you really mean closing Tab or closing the whole firefox? Because closing I believe is Ctrl+W
[06:43] <freddy> pregunta alla? ---> ask there?
[06:44] <SRL2k5> ok grax men
[06:44] <IRCMonkey> whats the best file system to pick on the root drive? ext2, ext3, ReiserFS, FAT32 or one of the others in the list? it's on a 4GB harddrive with 250mb swap
[06:44] <SQFreak> daile: closing tab. i use Ctrl+F4 on Windows Firefox.
[06:44] <speel> IRCMonkey, either ext3 or reiserfs
[06:44] <freddy> SRL2k5, no problem.
[06:45] <SQFreak> IRCMonkey: I'd go with ext3 on a drive that small.
[06:45] <ksmurf> l8r all
[06:45] <ksmurf> and thanks
[06:45] <FoamY_is_wiccan> i have put in a new hard drive anyone know how to make ubuntu use it?
[06:45] <daile> SQFreak, yeah but I think Ctrl+W always works anyway in closing Firefox's tab
[06:45] <IRCMonkey> is there a manifest difference between them...in speed or in interaction?
[06:45] <kdp> SQFreak: you can also middleclick/mousewheelclick
[06:45] <IRCMonkey> ok ext3 it is
[06:46] <freddy> FoamY_is_wiccan, mount it
[06:46] <freddy> or put it in fstab
[06:46] <FoamY_is_wiccan> kk
[06:46] <speel> hmm i wish there was a fstab gui
[06:46] <daile> FoamY_is_wiccan, or you can use that hard driver to try other distros or even some BSD ones like PCBSD
[06:46] <IceDC571> gnome recognizes new devices right away, but if you use a different wm, you should add it to your fstab
[06:47] <freddy> omg flash player for linux kicks flash player for mac
[06:47] <kdp> speel: i believe there is...in whatjamacallit, oh damn i just forgot the name
[06:47] <SQFreak> kdp: i had trouble with that in Gentoo...
[06:47] <IceDC571> freddy: haha, how so?
[06:47] <freddy> the player on my mac SUCKS
[06:47] <freddy> really bad
[06:47] <speel> really? hm i never seen one
[06:47] <kdp> SQFreak: oh.  i just found it out today.  very useful.
[06:47] <daile> FoamY_is_wiccan, when I say hard driver, I mean hard drive. I think I shouldn't drink too much :)
[06:47] <IceDC571> ive never really noticed flash on a mac
[06:47] <arentie> good night all...me need sleepie
[06:47] <freddy> nite
[06:47] <IceDC571> goodnight
[06:47] <freddy> IceDC571, i work with flash half of my day
[06:48] <arentie> exit
[06:48] <MrJung> how, do I install test
[06:48] <freddy> we had to change some computers in the studio..because of the crappy player
[06:48] <MrJung> sorry
[06:48] <jasmuz> anyone knows how to setup masquerading ?
[06:48] <MrJung> how, do I install postmap
[06:48] <kdp> speel: xfce! yeah, thats it.
[06:48] <SQFreak> kdp: it always used to try to paste whatever was in the clipboard into the address bar.
[06:48] <speel> xfce has a built in fstab gui?
[06:48] <FoamY_is_wiccan> same here man
[06:48] <Nameless1> can someone tell if its its possible to burn *.bin files i can only see the iso option  any1 know a good program for that (if any)
[06:49] <IceDC571> Nameless1: you should be able to burn it fine with gnomebaker or k3b
[06:49] <speel> Nameless1, i think you right click on it then click burn
[06:49] <kdp> speel: yeah.
[06:49] <thenostradamus> don't u usually have a .cue along with a .bin?
[06:49] <jasmuz> anyone knows how to setup masquerading ?
[06:49] <SaidinUnleashed> where can I find md5sums for kubuntu? been looking for a while, and I'm either blind, stupid, both, or they're not there, and I doubt that they're not there.
[06:49] <speel> kdp, damn Lol how could ive missed it
[06:49] <IceDC571> you could just burn with a bin, but a cue could help out
[06:50] <Nameless1> thenostradamus: im missing the cue, but i have burnt bins with out cues in windows
[06:50] <Nameless1> what do i use to burn it i cant find any burning software that supports bin or cue its all iso :(
[06:50] <crimsun> SaidinUnleashed: did you check the kubuntu.org web site?
[06:50] <IceDC571> Nameless1: k3b
[06:51] <Nameless1> tried k3b it only has the option for iso
[06:51] <SQFreak> you could use a program called bin2iso - just alien'ify this: http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/PLD/dists/ra/PLD/i386/PLD/RPMS/bin2iso-1.9b-2.i386.html
[06:51] <SaidinUnleashed> crimsun, been searching for quite a while
[06:51] <IceDC571> try what SQFreak said
[06:51] <SaidinUnleashed> ah! down with the torrents!
[06:51] <SaidinUnleashed> Like I said, I'm blind :P
[06:51] <IceDC571> i love torrents, they always give me great speed
[06:51] <RichardC> i have a pentium 3
[06:51] <Nameless1> thanx ill try that
[06:51] <daile> bye yo all. Heading to bed now. Have a nice day everyone! My open questions are still ... open: how to speed up Lexmark printer and how to fix Enterprise VOlume Manager!
[06:52] <RichardC> is it ok to run linux-686, or should i use linux-386
[06:52] <SQFreak> I'm aliening it now...
[06:52] <SaidinUnleashed> anything pentium-pro or better is i686
[06:52] <kdp> oh damn i think i know how to setup a lexmark printer.
[06:52] <IceDC571> RichardC: pentium 3 starts at the 686 line so you're good
[06:52] <kdp> now he just up and left.
[06:52] <IceDC571> SaidinUnleashed: i thought pentium pro was 586?
[06:52] <jasmuz> anyone knows how to setup masquerading ?
[06:53] <RichardC> better question, can i run linux-686 without problems, an if so, will there be a performance boost?
[06:53] <SaidinUnleashed> IceDC571, nope, i686 fixed the f00f error in the 586 family
[06:53] <thenostradamus> jasmuz: try shorewall
[06:53] <jasmuz> shorewall?
[06:53] <RichardC> I was thinking P3 started at 586
[06:53] <SQFreak> Well, I was going to offer Nameless1 the deb package I created. :)
[06:53] <thenostradamus> it's a firewall app
[06:53] <IRCMonkey> I have a Celeron 400 with 64/ram and ubuntu seems to run perfect on it
[06:53] <RichardC> thats P2?
[06:53] <kdp> IRCMonkey: with X?
[06:54] <RichardC> err, so 586 is p2?
[06:54] <IceDC571> RichardC: nah, it started at 686, you're good to go
[06:54] <IRCMonkey> something like that yes
[06:54] <jasmuz> thenostradamus: thing is i want to rout the internet to a ethernet over usb device (Sharp Zaurus SL5500)
[06:54] <IceDC571> 586 is pentium pro and below, i read the wiki
[06:54] <IceDC571> pentium II too
[06:54] <thenostradamus> hmm.........
[06:54] <SQFreak> I though P2 was i686.
[06:54] <jasmuz> route*
[06:55] <IRCMonkey> with Gnome and also ran it with KDE, set up an http Apache2 server live online and it performed as fast as ever
[06:55] <RichardC> IceDC571: will i notice a performance boost?
[06:55] <RichardC> its my understanding that i will, but im not sure
[06:55] <SQFreak> Whatever, I've got a Pentium M and I recompiled my kernel to optimize for that (as well as include the mm patch that I really needed to make the system run right)
[06:55] <IRCMonkey> though the mouse delayied occaisonally...if it was WINXP it would have barely run so umbuntu did good here i think
[06:55] <jasmuz> thenostradamus: any ideas?
[06:56] <RichardC> another question
[06:56] <IceDC571> RichardC: you should have a performance boost instead of using 386.. but i dont think you'll notice it
[06:56] <SaidinUnleashed> RichardC, main difference with the i386 compiled kernel is that it probably has 387 (fpu) emulation enabled
[06:56] <SaidinUnleashed> and you probably don't need it
[06:56] <thenostradamus> http://www.shorewall.net/
[06:56] <SQFreak> RichardC: Not a very noticable performance boost. If you're going to be recompiling your kernel anyway, change the optimization. But otherwise, it's not worth recompiling - there's not that much of a boost.
[06:56] <SpecialBuddy> does anyone here play starcraft
[06:56] <thenostradamus> all i can think is to look there
[06:56] <thenostradamus> and see if u can find anything
[06:57] <RichardC> the latest fglrx driver in apt is 8.8, while the latest actual version is 8.14.  where can i find a deb for 8.14?
[06:57] <skel_> hello how can i become root just for a short period of time
[06:57] <skel_> i need to replace a image for a program
[06:57] <skel_> but it wont allow me
[06:57] <mannyc> sudo -s
[06:57] <thenostradamus> skel_: sudo bash
[06:57] <freddy> anyone have experiences with a tv card?
[06:57] <mannyc> sudo -s will give you a root terminal until you exit the terminal
[06:57] <IRCMonkey> the other system i'm going to be putting it on is a P3=650 w/320 mb ram so i'm expecting it'll be instant responce on that one.
[06:57] <IceDC571> my bad... pentium pro and higher is 686
[06:58] <skel_> thanks
[06:58] <freddy> i spent all my savings on this e3
[06:58] <dennis_> e3?
[06:58] <freddy> and ubuntu runs like if its taken by the hand of god
[06:59] <skel_> thenostradamus,  i still cant change anything in filestsem
[06:59] <skel_> that only makes me root in termial
[06:59] <freddy> dennis_, 3e
[06:59] <freddy> sorry
[06:59] <IceDC571> freddy: you're being too dramatic
[07:00] <freddy> lol why?
[07:00] <thenostradamus> u could try in one of ur other terminals
[07:00] <IceDC571> freddy: i think you love ubuntu way too much
[07:00] <SQFreak> freddy: I have an ATI TV-Wonder. What's up.
[07:00] <thenostradamus> Ctrl+Alt+F1
[07:00] <freddy> IceDC571, i am not going to hump it..no way
[07:00] <kdp> ha.
[07:00] <IceDC571> freddy: i would
[07:00] <freddy> hahaha
[07:00] <freddy> SQFreak, i cant get my Leadtek winfast 2000 working man :(
[07:01] <SQFreak> freddy: Sorry, dunno...
[07:01] <skel_> uhh
[07:01] <skel_> i cant figure this out
[07:01] <skel_> lol
[07:01] <SQFreak> freddy: my cards (Hauppauge!   Quick question. What is the name of the Art Software installed in ubuntu?
[07:09] <Seveas> IRCMonkey, The Gimp
[07:09] <IRCMonkey_> Seveas: thanks.
[07:09] <IRCMonkey_> is it available for windows?
[07:09] <seth_k> it is :)
[07:09] <thenostradamus> y is it called gimp?
[07:09] <IRCMonkey_> I'm at work and i want to get some good art software.
[07:09] <IRCMonkey_> okay. i'll get the gimp
[07:09] <seth_k> http://gimp.org/windows/ is the URL
[07:09] <kdp> gnu image manipulation.........something
[07:09] <IceDC571> haha.. isnt gnome based on the gimp?
[07:09] <seth_k> program
[07:10] <thenostradamus> ahhh
[07:10] <IRCMonkey> i'm using an 8 year old computer but I'm pretty stocked about learning to get around linux...hopfully i'll be able to get it installed on the new system in the next little while...just have to figure out how to do the driver installs.
[07:10] <freddy> kdp, program
[07:10] <IRCMonkey_> GNU Image Manipulation Program
[07:10] <freddy> :P
[07:10] <IceDC571> the gimp toolkit at least
[07:10] <IceDC571> without the gimp, would there be a gnome?
[07:10] <seth_k> IRCMonkey, you should be able to apt-get drivers for nvidia or ati
[07:10] <biovore> gnome was around before gimp
[07:10] <IceDC571> ohh
[07:10] <IRCMonkey_> thanks, seth_k
[07:10] <IceDC571> what was it based on before?
[07:11] <biovore> I tihink the G is gnu, not sure..
[07:11] <IRCMonkey> GIMP isn't bad actually...not as loaded as photoshop but it's pretty close and the tools are visually the same so it's easy to learn.
[07:11] <biovore> you can add to gimp with perl scripts :-)
[07:11] <biovore> it can do anything you want it to.. if you know what your doing
[07:11] <IceDC571> !info gtk
[07:11] <kdp> oh but thats always the tricky park.
[07:12] <kdp> er, part.
[07:12] <freddy> gimp IS based in gnome
[07:12] <SQFreak> freddy: that's odd. My WinTV Go was a BT878 and I had no problems. Is the module for it in your kernel?
[07:12] <IceDC571> !info gtk+
[07:12] <freddy> SQFreak, i have no idea where to start :D
[07:12] <IceDC571> oh lovely, no matches lol
[07:12] <IRCMonkey> maybe...Creative seems to be not very into releasing new sound card drivers for my model...they aren't even releasing the win 64 bit drivers till the winter so who knows when Linux would be
[07:13] <SQFreak> freddy: Neither do I...mine just worked!
[07:13] <kdp> oh you know somethings bad when they wont even release it for windows.
[07:13] <thenostradamus> has anyone tried the new amd-64 X2 processors??
[07:13] <freddy> SQFreak, damn, you didnt install any appl or something?
[07:13] <freddy> or a driver?
[07:13] <SQFreak> freddy: 'course, mine says Copyright 1998 Hauppauge Computer Works, Inc. on it...
[07:13] <SQFreak> freddy: Just launched TVTime.
[07:14] <SQFreak> freddy: the color was a tad off, so I had to adjust it a little.
[07:14] <freddy> damn man
[07:14] <IceDC571> "In place of the Qt toolkit, the GIMP Toolkit (GTK+) was chosen as the base of the GNOME desktop."
[07:14] <freddy> i think thats going to be it
[07:14] <freddy> =/
[07:15] <freddy> IceDC571, nice
[07:15] <kdp> what is Qt?
[07:15] <freddy> Quake Thunder
[07:15] <IceDC571> Qt is what KDE is based on
[07:15] <Seveas> Qrappy Trash
[07:15] <freddy> haha
[07:15] <kdp> hehehehehe.
[07:15] <IceDC571> actually quacker toats
[07:15] <Seveas> An overly bloated object oriented graphic toolkit
[07:16] <IceDC571> it was started in 1892 as an accidental bloated toolkit a pirate invented on the black pearl
[07:16] <kdp> rofl.
[07:16] <IceDC571> bill gates stole it then sold it to the open source community for part of the linux code
[07:16] <Seveas> :)
[07:17] <kdp> wait youre not serious....
[07:17] <freddy> -_-
[07:17] <kdp> b/c i would belive it.
[07:17] <Seveas> I am
[07:18] <kdp> no i mean about the bill gates part
[07:18] <Seveas> hehe
[07:18] <Seveas> well, Qt had some creepy licensing in the past
[07:18] <kdp> ah.
[07:18] <Seveas> at the moment the license is about the only good thing
[07:18] <kdp> ah yes i rmr reading something about that in a book.
[07:19] <dennis_> Hmm
[07:19] <dennis_> Can anyone help me with some firefox problems I'm having
[07:19] <Seveas> sure
[07:19] <dennis_> I click on an mp3 to download it and get an error
[07:19] <IceDC571> "KDE is a free software desktop environment that relies on the Qt toolkit  a piece of software written by Trolltech that did not use a free software license."
[07:19] <Seveas> what's the error ..?
[07:19] <dennis_> XML Parsing Erro: Not well-formed
[07:19] <IceDC571> well i'm surprised
[07:19] <Seveas> hmm
[07:19] <kdp> how can firefox mess up on downloading a mp3.
[07:19] <boogabug> hello. i installed gimp on a Japanese WindowsMe pc.
[07:19] <dennis_> Location: chrome://mozapps/content/downloads/unknownContentTyle.xul
[07:19] <Seveas> sounds like the server is buggy and senfing a wrong header
[07:19] <boogabug> How can I get things in Gimp in English?
[07:19] <Seveas> oh...
[07:20] <dennis_> Line number 1, Coumn 20;
[07:20] <Seveas> boogabug, start it with LC_ALL=C gimp
[07:20] <dennis_> this._DS.GetTarget(mimeSource, valueProperty, true);
[07:20] <boogabug> that command will work in windows?
[07:20] <boogabug> Windows OS?
[07:20] <Seveas> boogabug, maybe you should reinstall FF or at least move your ~/.mozilla/firefox out of the way
[07:20] <Seveas> boogabug, no
[07:21] <Seveas> dennis_, maybe you should reinstall FF or at least move your ~/.mozilla/firefox out of the way
[07:21] <dennis_> Hmm
[07:21] <boogabug> seveal, will that command work in windows?
[07:21] <Seveas> boogabug, sorry 'bout that firefox bit, was not meant for you :)
[07:21] <dennis_> How do I remove firefox completely
[07:21] <boogabug> yes.
[07:21] <boogabug> Seveas: will that command work in Windows
[07:21] <boogabug> ?
[07:21] <Seveas> boogabug, no, i have no clue how to do that in windows
[07:21] <kdp> boogabug: someone else mentioned http://gimp.org/windows/ earlier
[07:21] <Seveas> dennis_, aptitude purge mozilla-firefox
[07:22] <gm78> Hey everyone. Does anyone know how to make Windows 2000 play nice with Samba on Ubuntu? I have no password set up on the Win2K computer and it still asks me for a password when I try to view a shared folder through Ubuntu. I can open shared folders on a WinXP computer just fine
[07:22] <dennis_> what does purge do?
[07:22] <boogabug> kdp, that's where i got the software.. but i don't think it will say how i can change the language, will it?
[07:22] <Church_of_foamy> i just really pissed off 2 people in kubuntu >.<
[07:22] <Seveas> but it might be a problem with your settings, which will not be removed with purge
[07:22] <Church_of_foamy> and now i'm woriied about it >.<
[07:22] <gm78> boogabug, gimp-win.sourceforge.net
[07:22] <Church_of_foamy> maybe even 3 people >.<
[07:22] <Seveas> dennis_, it removes all global config files belonging to firefox too
[07:22] <dennis_> k
[07:22] <thenostradamus> dennis: apt-get remove firefox
[07:22] <Seveas> Church_of_foamy, wth did you do..?
[07:22] <kdp> oops.  did you slander kde?
[07:23] <IceDC571> purge it baby!
[07:23] <IceDC571> it removes the config files with it
[07:23] <boogabug> Gm78, i got the files from there, but i installed it on  a japnanese Windows pc.
[07:23] <Church_of_foamy> can i pm you with it id rather not say it here
[07:23] <Seveas> sure
[07:23] <gm78> Church_of_foamy, lol, what did u do?
[07:23] <gm78> Church_of_foamy, oh, lol, nvm then
[07:23] <dennis_> Alright..
[07:24] <gm78> boogabug, what do u mean load in english?
[07:24] <dennis_> How do I install it again?
[07:24] <boogabug> gm78. Gimp's interface is all in Japanese.
[07:24] <gm78> boogabug, a better place to ask for help with gimp on windows is to join the #gimp chatroom on this server
[07:25] <gm78> boogabug, they probably know stuff like that better than us
[07:26] <boogabug> how do i register and identify myself ith the network's nickname registration services (e.g. NickServ). ?
[07:27] <gm78> boogabug, leave the server and then rejoin (not a chatroom, just connect to irc.freenode.net) it should give you a link to instructions
[07:27] <IceDC571> "The "K" originally stood for "Kool" ("C" as in "cool" was already given away to the Common Desktop Environment), but was changed soon after to stand simply for "K", which is "The first letter before 'L' (which stands for Linux) in the Latin alphabet."
[07:27] <IceDC571> wow
[07:28] <kdp> ...............................................................................................
[07:28] <IceDC571> sorry im reading the KDE wiki finding this interesting
[07:28] <kdp> hahahahaha.
[07:28] <boogabug> Gm78, no info in the main window.
[07:28] <kdp> thats possible one of the most random things ever.
[07:29] <kdp> K for Kool...
[07:29] <boogabug> gm78, no instructions.
[07:29] <gm78> hmmm....im not sure then
[07:29] <thenostradamus> aight, i gotta get some sleep..............g-night everyone
[07:29] <gm78> boogabug, does it say the nick is owned by someone else?
[07:29] <IceDC571> KDE does have a kreepy history
[07:29] <Seveas> K still stands for the 'kool' attitude all KDE programs have, extreme creeping featuritis
[07:29] <boogabug> it says nothing.
[07:30] <Seveas> boogabug, /msg nickserv help
[07:30] <kdp> mmmmmmmm dont you mean "extreme kreeping featuritis"
[07:31] <IceDC571> kdp: lets not get karried away here
[07:31] <Miks> how can i change the background color of my screen when the splash screen is loading?
[07:31] <gm78> kome on guys, kan we shut up about kde now :-P
[07:31] <SQFreak> What's wrong with KDE?
[07:32] <boogabug> okay. now i've registerd my nickname and password. how do i enter the Gimp chatroom now?
[07:32] <Seveas> boogabug, /join #giimp
[07:32] <Seveas> boogabug, /join #gimp
[07:32] <boogabug> okay it warks.
[07:33] <kdp> Miks: if you find the menu item for the login screen, it should have a little box with the color you want.
[07:33] <Miks> thanks kdp
[07:33] <KiceDC571> i think im already konverting ;)
[07:33] <kdp> hahahaha.
[07:34] <kdp> aw......i cant.
[07:34] <HWolf> Does anyone know how I can prevent the kernel from loading it's serial driver, so my serial port is free for lirc to use?
[07:34] <graystone> Hello everyone.
[07:34] <Seveas> HWolf, add the driver to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[07:35] <graystone> I need some help, you all don't mind.
[07:35] <KiceDC571> graystone: just ask
[07:35] <graystone> I have installed Ubuntu on my laptop, but cannot get the wireless network card to work.
[07:35] <seth_k> what chipset?
[07:35] <nickrud> HWolf, do you have a special card that gives you the serial port you want?
[07:35] <graystone> It's a Compaq Evo N610C w/Compaq WLAN W200 wireless card.
[07:36] <HWolf> Seveas, which driver would that be?
[07:36] <HWolf> nickrud, Just trying to get my lirc-reciever to work, but it needs to go around the kernel, somehow.
[07:36] <jasmuz> :S
[07:37] <nickrud> HWolf heh, 'lirc-recievier
[07:37] <HWolf> nickrud, don't ask
[07:37] <boogabug> okay. what's the second best freeware art program after gimp? Something that can run in windows.
[07:37] <nickrud> never heard of it
[07:37] <boogabug> I just need a simple image manipulation software.
[07:37] <Amaranth> boogabug: Doesn't exist, afaik.
[07:37] <IRCMonkey_> freeware...goodluck
[07:37] <KiceDC571> boogabug: paint.net is pretty good in windows
[07:37] <boogabug> nothing fancy needed.
[07:37] <boogabug> KiceDC571: htanks.
[07:38] <IRCMonkey_> paint shop pro is good...30 day trial
[07:38] <boogabug> IRCMonkey_, why "good luck"?
[07:38] <IceDC571> boogabug: search for paint net in google it'll be one of the first links, its nice and free.. it has layers too
[07:39] <boogabug> IceDC571: thanks!
[07:39] <boogabug> oh, i forgot to say. i need something that runs in WinMe. paint net won't run in win me, according to their website.
[07:39] <IceDC571> hmm...
[07:40] <IceDC571> lol WinME.. hmm...
[07:40] <kdp> boogabug: if you have the time, try imagemagick under cygwin
[07:40] <IceDC571> wait Amaranth wernt you running WinME?
[07:40] <IRCMonkey_> because any professional graphic editing programs will be pay unless it's a project like linux or gimp...the amount of resources that go into such programs means whatever is free will likiely not be quality...I've used a LOT of that type of software over te years
[07:40] <Amaranth> IceDC571: Sadly.
[07:40] <IRCMonkey_> so yes...good luck :-D
[07:41] <IceDC571> Amaranth: so im guessing you didnt use any image apps while in winme?
[07:41] <Amaranth> IceDC571: Nope.
[07:41] <Amaranth> IceDC571: I'm running it right now.
[07:41] <boogabug> i just need a simple art program. nothing too professional.
[07:41] <IRCMonkey_> for what...whats the end goal
[07:41] <IceDC571> boogabug: are you considering using linux eventually?
[07:41] <kdp> i believe "paint" is a simple art program.
[07:42] <boogabug> ice, at home i am using ubuntu.
[07:42] <boogabug> it's just at work.
[07:42] <IRCMonkey_> ?resizing, text, photo retouching, graphic design etc..
[07:42] <boogabug> i have no choice but to use the computers they provide
[07:42] <IceDC571> im wondering why everyone's work has windowsme these days
[07:42] <IRCMonkey_> paint is indeed simple...but you can't do much with it.
[07:42] <kdp> mmm boogabug have you tried a live cd :-)?
[07:42] <boogabug> i just need simple manipulation. Like Image Flipping.
[07:43] <IceDC571> boogabug: have you tried picasa?
[07:43] <boogabug> kdp, don't want to try it at work. it may surprise my coworkers. they may never talk to me
[07:43] <kdp> oh.
[07:43] <IRCMonkey_> that's not graphic design...fliping, resizing, anything like that you can find freeware in any OS no problem
[07:43] <Seveas> boogabug, for simple yet advanced image manipulation, use imagemagick
[07:44] <boogabug> Seveas:imagemagick will work in WinMe and is freeware?
[07:44] <ivoks> boogabug: sure it will work with cygwin
[07:44] <ivoks> it isn't freeware :)
[07:44] <goliat> hello there
[07:44] <ivoks> it's opensource project
[07:45] <kdp> oh wow imagemagick does have a windows binary.
[07:45] <kdp> no cygwin needed.
[07:45] <IRCMonkey_> or really go hardcore and download a Paint Shop Pro Trial...it's as simple as can be done while maintaining a high level of functionality...in what i've used anyway....Photoshop would probablky drown you though.
[07:53] <freddy> brb
[07:57] <Church_of_foamy> my mouse has traveld 3176.7 feet today ^_^
[07:57] <IceDC571> boogabug: hows imagemagick?
[07:58] <cafuego> Why don't you just run Gimp in windows?
[07:58] <nickrud> Church_of_foamy I take it you found a real oldy :)
[07:58] <goliat> if i want a php on my apache to write on a folder and apache uses the user www-data should i set chowm www-data /folder/name  ?
[07:58] <adwait> hello ppl.....
[07:58] <Church_of_foamy> ^_^ mouse odometer
[07:58] <goliat> or does it have any negatives
[07:58] <IceDC571> adwait: hello there
[07:58] <cafuego> Uisng imagemagick via a crap commandline (cmd.exe) would suck
[07:59] <adwait> goliat: yes
[07:59] <goliat> adwait, thank you
[07:59] <adwait> goliat: np
[07:59] <nickrud> heh, i remember that one
[07:59] <Church_of_foamy> it comes with kubuntu
[07:59] <Church_of_foamy> it's neat
[07:59] <cafuego> goliat: Also set mode g+s and +t
[07:59] <Church_of_foamy> though  it takes up space in the k bar
[08:00] <hondje> http://www.gulftech.org/?node=research&article_id=00088-07022005 <--- ugly if you have a blog
[08:00] <aspro> anyone in here use a mac? do you know what the status is with mac osx + ubuntu?
[08:01] <goliat> cafuego goliat: Also set mode g+s and +t can u please just describe what ""cafuego goliat: Also set mode g+s and +t"" means ?
[08:01] <aspro> err, I mean I have had trouble with the new HFS+ used by tiger
[08:01] <nickrud> I haven't tried the kde one, but a few days of measuring can be dismaying
[08:02] <gm78> Hey all. Do you know how to enable Canadian English or British English in OOo
[08:02] <gm78> spell check doesnt work when i select te
[08:03] <gm78> *them
[08:03] <nickrud> spell check isn't working for me in oo either, en(usa).
[08:03] <cafuego> goliat: Read 'man chmod' for info on what those modes do.
[08:04] <cafuego> nickrud: That's ok, americans can't spell anyway.
[08:04] <tlahtolli> hi
[08:04] <gm78> nickrud, it worked for me on English USA but i live in canada
[08:04] <nickrud> yes we can, we just prefer not to
[08:04] <gm78> cafuego, lol
[08:04] <rommer> i have a script that runs some commands as root/sudo, how can i make these commands run properly if the script is in /etc/cron.monthly so i dont have to run the script manually
[08:04] <tlahtolli> it's spelled colour isn't it
[08:04] <cafuego> goliat: Did you install the en-ca add-on for OOo and/or the en-ca dictionary?
[08:04] <gm78> tlahtolli, lol, yes it is
[08:04] <cafuego> Eh, gm78 even...
[08:04] <tlahtolli> wonderful
[08:05] <tlahtolli> now if i may...
[08:05] <tlahtolli> does amsn support v4l2?
[08:05] <cafuego> rommer: cron.* runs as root by default.
[08:05] <rommer> cafuego: ok
[08:06] <gm78> tlahtolli, i think they are adding support for it in 0.95, which is in cvs right now
[08:06] <tlahtolli> oh really?
[08:06] <tlahtolli> that's cool
[08:06] <tlahtolli> by the way did you all know it has webcam support?
[08:06] <gm78> tlahtolli, amsn.sourceforge.net   they have some info there.... they do in stable?????? which is the latest version?
[08:07] <gm78> tlahtolli, or were u asking me if they do?
[08:07] <goliat> cafuego, i feel so stupid i cant understand what u are talking about
[08:07] <goliat> whats OOo
[08:07] <cafuego> goliat: OpenOffice.org
[08:07] <gm78> goliat, OpenOffice.org
[08:08] <goliat> yep now i got it
[08:08] <cafuego> goliat: It was meant for gm78, not for you.
[08:08] <goliat> well i got openoffice.org
[08:08] <goliat> so called OOo
[08:08] <goliat> no i didnt download that
[08:09] <goliat> well just as a question i work in an organisation in an arab coutry
[08:09] <goliat> how could i make OOo work in arabic
[08:09] <goliat> and how can i switch between english to arabic
[08:09] <tlahtolli> gm78: well, the last cvs i downloaded, yeah, it has webcam support
[08:09] <tlahtolli> i used it to talk to my sister in italy
[08:09] <jasmuz> take care people
[08:10] <tlahtolli> but i used an old quickcam
[08:10] <tlahtolli> and the picture quality wasn't as good
[08:10] <tlahtolli> so now i'm trying to get the genius videocam nb to work with amsn
[08:10] <tlahtolli> it was a total pain trying to find the drivers
[08:11] <tlahtolli> but it works, the only problem i get now is that amsn can't list the channel the camera's on
[08:11] <nickrud> The strange thing is, I think I have all the default english oofice stuff installed, but settings->options->language options has no engiish usa, or maybe I'm looking in the wrong place
[08:12] <Adross> i just reinstalled xp(for creative zen touch) and everything went fine. GRUB is still there and everything. Thing is, when i choose to boot into windows, i get an 'ntldr is missing' error. If i recall, this relates to booting, but it doesn't make any sense. Any tips?
[08:12] <nickrud> huh, writing aids, i mean
[08:12] <SpecialBuddy> is there a way to change the color settings on kubuntu
[08:17] <SpecialBuddy> where is device manager on jubuntu
[08:17] <SpecialBuddy> kubuntu
[08:18] <Amaranth> SpecialBuddy: #kubuntu might be more helpful
[08:19] <SpecialBuddy> thanks
[08:19] <SpecialBuddy> do you know much about wine
[08:20] <Amaranth> not really
[08:20] <SpecialBuddy> oh
[08:20] <SpecialBuddy> I think I need to download drivers for my video card
[08:20] <Amaranth> for wine?
[08:24] <beginnerMKII> Hey guys i am new to linux and im trying to follow this thing off a site, but whats the deal everytime i do the sudo.... ... ... at the terminal, it asks for password?? :S
[08:24] <Adross> leave the same terminal open
[08:24] <Amaranth> it has a timeout value
[08:24] <Adross> oh yeh
[08:25] <Amaranth> if you leave the terminal open and use it a couple times in a row you only get asked once
[08:25] <beginnerMKII> ??
[08:25] <Amaranth> if you close the terminal you get asked again and if you don't use it for awhile you get asked again
[08:25] <beginnerMKII> It doesn't even let me type in the field
[08:25] <Amaranth> err
[08:25] <beginnerMKII> I don't understand
[08:26] <Amaranth> oh, i see
[08:26] <Amaranth> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[08:26] <Amaranth> you can't see yourself typing anything, but you are
[08:26] <beginnerMKII> oh
[08:26] <Amaranth> it doesn't show so someone watching can't see how long your password is
[08:26] <beginnerMKII> lol
[08:26] <HWolf> I'm looking for a way to prevent the kernel from loading its serial driver, so the hardware stays open for lirc to use, any takers?
[08:27] <beginnerMKII> But i do not know what password is anyway? it doesn't mention their is one, or ones needed.
[08:27] <comadreja> how do I add support in my ubuntu for multiple wireless networks, so I can change from one to the other... ?
[08:27] <Amaranth> it's your own password
[08:27] <Amaranth> that URL i gave explains it all
[08:27] <nickrud> HWolf /etc/hotplug/blacklist?
[08:27] <beginnerMKII> Cool, thanks, i go check it
[08:27] <beginnerMKII> Oh yes !
[08:27] <beginnerMKII> You are right
[08:27] <beginnerMKII> Thanks !
[08:27] <comadreja> in a laptop, I mean having three different network configs and changing
[08:28] <Burgundavia> comadreja, nothing easy currently. There is a fix for Breezy
[08:28] <HWolf> nickrud, no, it needs to be clear *before* /etc/modules is called. :S
[08:28] <comadreja> Burgundavia : so I have to stick to laptop-net
[08:28] <Burgundavia> comadreja, yes
[08:28] <Burgundavia> comadreja, ugly, but true
[08:29] <comadreja> Burgundavia : I could work out a solution, where could I propose it ?
[08:29] <Burgundavia> comadreja, there is already a solution
[08:29] <nickrud> HWolf so, maybe a kernel with no serial drivers :)
[08:29] <HWolf> fabbione, around?
[08:29] <comadreja> Burgundavia : not backported ?
[08:29] <Burgundavia> comadreja, http://www.redhat.com/magazine/003jan05/features/networkmanager/
[08:29] <Burgundavia> comadreja, not yet stable
[08:29] <Burgundavia> comadreja, mostly there but needs some polish
[08:30] <Burgundavia> if you want to do some coding on it, talk to thom is #ubuntu-devel
[08:30] <comadreja> Burgundavia : well, good to know anyway :) thanks a lot
[08:30] <comadreja> oh, cool, I'll go there right away
[08:30] <comadreja> thanks :)
[08:30] <Burgundavia> np
[08:31] <Razor-X> hey!
[08:31] <Razor-X> i'm home from a shitt-as-hell trip *sigh*
[08:31] <Razor-X> *sight
[08:31] <Razor-X> mmmm, emacs....
[08:32] <Razor-X> *shit
[08:32] <Razor-X> dunno how shit == sight
[08:32] <nickrud> hey Razor-X long time no crap
[08:33] <Razor-X> true that, i'm backed up as hell eating all that damned pizza ;)
[08:33] <nickrud> cheese
[08:33] <nickrud> love it
[08:33] <Razor-X> mmmmmmm
[08:33] <Madpilot> we didn't need to know, that Razor-X...
[08:33] <Razor-X> and Pepperoni
[08:33] <Madpilot> ;)
[08:34] <Amaranth> new topic
[08:34] <Razor-X> Madpilot: ;)
[08:34] <Razor-X> anyways, I need emacs to settle meself
[08:34] <Razor-X> mmmmm, emacs.... *sigs loudly*
[08:34] <Razor-X> I don't think i'll be eating pizza for a long long time
[08:34] <Razor-X> like... a week
[08:34] <cafuego> Honestly, sounds like that trip is the least of your worries
[08:34] <Razor-X> cafuego: ;)
[08:34] <Razor-X> *sighs
[08:36] <nickrud> I am a user of a non operating system editor
[08:36] <mannyc> try emacs-snapshot-gtk
[08:37] <Razor-X> nickrud: there exists none-truly such ;)
[08:37] <Razor-X> ELF is a binary specific to a very large set of systems, large nonetheless ;)
[08:37] <nickrud> emacs-snapshot-gtk?
[08:37] <Razor-X> mannyc: even if emacs is its own terminal
[08:38] <Razor-X> i'm not about to gtk it
[08:38] <Razor-X> when my terminal works fine
[08:38] <mannyc> http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/EmacsCvsAndDebian with debian (ubuntu) instructions..
[08:38] <Razor-X> my specifically configured eterm, at that
[08:38] <mannyc> razor-x
[08:38] <mannyc> : no problems...whatever you like
[08:38] <mannyc> i use both vi and emacs
[08:38] <Razor-X> I can use vi, of course
[08:38] <Razor-X> I used to be a vi user
[08:39] <Razor-X> but what finally made me throw in the towel was the new rendering of idiotic movement controls
[08:39] <nickrud> lol
[08:39] <Razor-X> the movement controls are all over the keyboard ;), plus I prefer the hard feeling of emacs keys
[08:40] <gpd> new rendering of idiotic movement what?  you mean hjkl?
[08:40] <nickrud> you know, I am totally agnostic; I just love to tweak it now and then :)\
[08:40] <Razor-X> gpd: exactly, hjkl are in totally different places
[08:40] <Razor-X> nickrud: you mean, you support use of joe? ;)
[08:40] <nickrud> hey, I point people at nano
[08:41] <gpd> nano is for your mother... vim is for your soul... emacs is for gardening text files
[08:42] <cafuego> nano is satan
[08:42] <gpd> I have used them all, but vim is the most ergonomic for me
[08:42] <cafuego> it destroys code formatting
[08:42] <nickrud> oh, that almost made me a gardener
[08:42] <Razor-X> gpd: great analogy
[08:42] <gpd> and command history is the dogs
[08:42] <Razor-X> mind if I use it?
[08:42] <Razor-X> (with due credit given, of course)
[08:42] <gpd> no probs
[08:42] <Razor-X> i'm writing a newbie's introduction to the world of CLI
[08:42] <Razor-X> and a large chapter is devoted to text editors
[08:42] <cafuego> gpd: vim is the most ergonomic for anyone, it's just that emacs users are too stubborn.
[08:43] <Razor-X> ironically, I fell to emacs researching for the guide
[08:43] <Proteque> :D
[08:43] <gpd> emacs keys fit well with the console
[08:43] <gpd> as the binding are of course the same
[08:43] <Razor-X> cafuego: I think you mean 'most anyone'
[08:43] <Razor-X> hjkl are poles apart on my keyboard
[08:43] <Proteque> gpd: what bindings is that?
[08:43] <gpd> only nutters do set -o vi
[08:43] <cafuego> Razor-X: Well, not quadraplegics, of course
[08:43] <Razor-X> cafuego: or Dvorak users ;)
[08:43] <cafuego> Razor-X: Same diff
[08:43] <gpd> in the console... Ctrl-U, B, K, Q... etc...
[08:44] <Razor-X> QWERTY is a beast I am not going to touch any time soon, and therefore, I need everything tailored around my tastes
[08:44] <gpd> command line editing in bash defaults to emacs keybindings
[08:44] <_cory> whats up guys
[08:44] <Razor-X> my eterm, my eterm binds, my text editor, my SSH shell, my IRC binds, everything
[08:44] <_cory> hey is it just me or is kubuntu a bit more difficult then ubuntu with gnome?
[08:44] <Razor-X> my whole Linux flavor is tailored exactly to me, custom with my thumb trackball
[08:44] <cafuego> gpd: Yeah, I've been meaning to file a bug against that...
[08:44] <Razor-X> _cory: just you ;)
[08:45] <gpd> cafuego: try set -o vi
[08:45] <gpd> it is scary but you might love it
[08:45] <_cory> maybe u can help me then razor :), i need to get ndiswrapper on this by0tch..whats my best bet for getting it on here?
[08:45] <cafuego> gpd: It's needs to be the default
[08:45] <Razor-X> _cory: ahhh, don't have that much experience, but I hear ndiswrapper is a bitch as it is
[08:45] <_cory> it is
[08:45] <Razor-X> there are wiki pages on it though
[08:45] <Razor-X> quite a few
[08:45] <_cory> i had it working on my old ubuntu
[08:45] <Razor-X> so, read up is all I can suggest *shrugs*
[08:46] <gpd> anyone use amd64 hoary?
[08:46] <_cory> no apt-get :(?
[08:46] <ablyss> doesn't opera use ndiswrapper?
[08:46] <_cory> gpd: i'm using it right now
[08:46] <Razor-X> _cory: of course there's apt-get
[08:46] <cafuego> _cory: Does the card you want to use have win64 drivers?
[08:46] <Razor-X> ablyss: possibly, have to check that out on my Opera install
[08:46] <_cory> i'd assume so
[08:46] <gpd> _cory: do you chroot for dvd playback? - mine seems broken...
[08:46] <_cory> it came with xp and all that shit lol
[08:46] <cafuego> _cory: Yes or no.
[08:46] <Razor-X> but, I don't have a need for ndiswrapper, so, ;)
[08:46] <Razor-X> cafuego: he's not using a 64 box
[08:46] <gpd> _cory: but sound in chroot is weird as flash sound works but /dev/dsp seems busted
[08:47] <_cory> i havn't tried dvd playback yet, i just installed the 64 bit version...i was using the regular
[08:47] <cafuego> Razor-X: d'oh!
[08:47] <cafuego> gpd: I use brrezy amd64; I don't bother with flash, it crashes firefox even if I run the hoary one in a 32bit chroot.
[08:47] <Amaranth> cafuego: Did you get my messages?
[08:48] <cafuego> Amaranth: Doesn't look like it...
[08:48] <ablyss> firefox crashes for regardless
[08:48] <ablyss> for me*
[08:48] <Amaranth> cafuego: I had one suggestion that I can't remember and I told you I own the UbuntuBot nick if you want it for ubotu.
[08:48] <cafuego> Amaranth: Ah, neat :-)
[08:48] <nickrud> cafuego I'm picking up an amd64 soon, have you tried any of the 32 bin in a breezy chroot yet?
[08:48] <Amaranth> cafuego: I'm assuming you wanted that but couldn't get it at the time. :)
[08:49] <cafuego> nickrud: No, I've recent deleted all 32bit chroots, if it ain't 64 i have no need to run it.
[08:49] <nickrud> heh, so, no flash, etc
[08:49] <cafuego> Amaranth: Well, I was actually after 'ubuntu' but i dunno who owns that.
[08:49] <Amaranth> Ha.
[08:49] <cafuego> nickrud: flash is the biggest waste of time this side of the galaxy as far as I'm concerned.
[08:49] <Amaranth> You can't have 'ubuntu', it's what the LiveCD users come in as.
[08:49] <nickrud> lol
[08:50] <Nameless1> can somone help me out, i have a *.bin file with no cue file. And its giving me shits i have got the impression i would have no problem with a cue file. and that u can rightclick on cue files and click mount (from what i read in google) is there a way of fixing this? or how do i convert the bin to iso
[08:50] <cafuego> nickrud: I haven't used it for YEARS, even on Win/Mac
[08:50] <nickrud> i'm on dialup, that was the first thing I wiped from my system for this situation
[08:50] <cafuego> Amaranth: Bastards, can't they be renabled to 'knoppix' or something? ;-)
[08:50] <Amaranth> a non-dev registered it though, probably so they could be funny and ghost people
[08:50] <Amaranth> at least i don't think it was a dev
[08:51] <dennis_> One quick question
[08:51] <Amaranth> jdub: Do you know who owns the 'ubuntu' nick? If it's not one of you you should ask lilo to give it to you.
[08:51] <dennis_> Can anyone recommend a good pod casting program for ubuntu?
[08:51] <Amaranth> jdub: Otherwise it's open for abuse seeing how that's what LiveCD users join as.
[08:51] <cafuego> Amaranth: Whoever did, they haven't used it on 28 weeks
[08:51] <dennis_> Anyone know of a good pod casting program?
[08:52] <Amaranth> cafuego: They haven't identified in 28 weeks
[08:52] <cafuego> dennis_: vim and apache2
[08:52] <Amaranth> cafuego: As ubuntu. There is a difference.
[08:52] <dennis_> wtf?
[08:52] <Amaranth> cafuego: Err, I think he means for downloading podcasts
[08:52] <dennis_> Apache2 for podcast?
[08:52] <dennis_> I mean't to manage casts
[08:52] <cafuego> dennis_: yes
[08:52] <dennis_> yes
[08:52] <dennis_> Managing casts..not making them
[08:52] <cafuego> dennis_: apache2, an xml file and a bunch of mp3's ;-)
[08:53] <dennis_> No programs???
[08:53] <Amaranth> cafuego: He isn't making them. He wants to subscribe to some.
[08:53] <dennis_> That will fetch the latest show on startup like in windows?
[08:53] <cafuego> Amaranth: Yeah, I consider 'not identifying' 'not using'
[08:53] <cafuego> Amaranth: aaah, he wants a podcast client
[08:53] <dennis_> You guys know of any?
[08:54] <Amaranth> Not I.
[08:54] <dennis_> :(
[08:54] <Nameless1> can somone help me out, i have a *.bin file with no cue file. And its giving me shits i have got the impression i would have no problem with a cue file. and that u can rightclick on cue files and click mount (from what i read in google) is there a way of fixing this? or how do i convert the bin to iso
[08:54] <cafuego> !find podcast
[08:54] <dennis_> lol
[08:54] <cafuego> Same thing as flash
[08:54] <cafuego> useless drivel ;-0
[08:55] <unome> gtkpod maybe?
[08:55] <dennis_> gtkpod
[08:55] <dennis_> hmm
[08:55] <Amaranth> gtkpod is for working with an iPod
[08:55] <unome> hmm
[08:55] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'podcast' returned no results.
[08:56] <dennis_> ipodder
[08:56] <dennis_> is one...
[08:56] <dennis_> I'm going to try and install it
[08:56] <unome> !find gnupod-tools
[08:56] <ubotu> gnupod-tools: (A collection of Perl-scripts for iPod), section universe/sound, is optional. Version: 0.94rc1-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 90 kB, Installed size: 348 kB
[08:56] <robitaille> dennis_: I use http://ipodder.sourceforge.net/
[08:56] <dennis_> Thats what I'm going to use :D
[08:56] <dennis_> Installing now
[08:57] <robitaille> dennis_: http://linc.homeunix.org:8080/scripts/bashpodder/ is a simple one
[08:57] <dennis_> What are some good pod casts?
[08:57] <dennis_> I know of Twit
[08:57] <dennis_> but thats it
[08:57] <robitaille> dennis_:  lugradio.org
[08:57] <robitaille> dennis_: http://www.thelinuxlink.net/tllts/
[08:58] <Nameless1> can somone help me out, i have a *.bin file with no cue file. And its giving me shits i have got the impression i would have no problem with a cue file. and that u can rightclick on cue files and click mount (from what i read in google) is there a way of fixing this? or how do i convert the bin to iso
[08:58] <dennis_> robitaille, how do you install ipodder?
[08:58] <dennis_> nvm
[08:59] <robitaille> dennis_:  download it, extract (tar?) then  run the installer?  I haven't done it in a while, but I think it was pretty simple.
[09:00] <_cory> shouldn't the cmd "grep network" disp all network devices?
[09:01] <dennis_> ps aux | grep network
[09:01] <dennis_> I think
[09:01] <nickrud> _cory maybe ifconfig ?
[09:01] <_cory> possible
[09:01] <_cory> letme try that
[09:01] <bimberi> _cory: ifconfig
[09:02] <_cory> nah i'm trying to find out the actual name of my wireless card
[09:02] <_cory> it's a broadcom sumthing..
[09:02] <_cory> i really need the model number
[09:02] <bimberi> _cory: "lspci" might have some clues
[09:03] <_cory> yeah thats true
[09:03] <freddy> splashy thingy wont work
[09:03] <freddy> grr
[09:03] <_cory> awesome that got it..thx bimberi
[09:04] <bimberi> _cory: yw :)
[09:06] <aCiD2> Hi all
[09:06] <freddy> hi you
[09:06] <aCiD2> To compile Muine I need gtk+2.6 - ubuntu seems to come with only gtk+-2.0, s that correct?
[09:06] <orlando> hi does anyone know of a program to convert .mpg into .gif
[09:06] <freddy> gimp?
[09:07] <orlando> wow really?
[09:07] <orlando> ok thanks
[09:07] <freddy> ok i need to make a test to my mother
[09:08] <nickrud> aCiD2 muine is avaialbe in ubuntu, why do you want to compile it?
[09:08] <freddy> i need to find away to make ubuntu to look almost identical as windows
[09:08] <IceDC571> could someone reccomend an online music store that will work with my ipod?
[09:08] <freddy> do you guys know a good tutorial?
[09:08] <orlando> hmmm it says unknown filetype
[09:08] <orlando> when i try to open .mpg in gimp
[09:08] <freddy> orlando, mpg? what are nuts?
[09:08] <aCiD2> nickrud, I need m4a support
[09:08] <nickrud> lol, msybe
[09:09] <freddy> orlando, i thought you said jpg
[09:09] <freddy> lol
[09:09] <orlando> umm?
[09:09] <MolochOwl> .mpg and .gif are apples and oranges
[09:09] <freddy> lol
[09:09] <freddy> its like dicks and cars
[09:10] <nickrud> aCiD2 , heh, I haven't really looked at the latest stuff
[09:10] <orlando> so how do i convert .mpg to .gif
[09:10] <MolochOwl> inmore ways than one hehe
[09:10] <aCiD2> Whoops
[09:10] <nickrud> and, what the hell is m4a
[09:10] <aCiD2> Anyway, does anyone know how I can get muine to play m4a (AAC) files without a recompile?
[09:10] <nickrud> :)
[09:10] <Amaranth> aCiD2: You can't
[09:11] <aCiD2> m4a is apple's main file format (I used to use iTunes on windows, and it rips cds with aac)
[09:11] <aCiD2> Amaranth, you mean without a recompile
[09:11] <Amaranth> aCiD2: You need to apply a patch and recompile.
[09:11] <aCiD2> Cool
[09:11] <MolochOwl> .mpg is a vidio file...so many many frames of stills per second make it up. .gif allows for animation but only a very very small amount and the file size/quality will be crap.
[09:11] <Amaranth> aCiD2: m4a is a container format, you really mean AAC
[09:11] <aCiD2> Is there anything that needs to be done to get rhythm box to play aac?
[09:11] <Amaranth> but yeah
[09:11] <dennis_> Hmm
[09:11] <aCiD2> Amaranth, yea, my bad
[09:11] <Amaranth> aCiD2: get gstreamer-faad
[09:12] <dennis_> How do you install a deb?
[09:12] <aCiD2> Amaranth, got that already
[09:12] <Amaranth> aCiD2: That's all there is to it for rhythmbox.
[09:12] <aCiD2> Hmmm
[09:12] <poningru> I had a question why doesnt ubuntu have something like planet.mozilla.org
[09:12] <Amaranth> they do
[09:12] <aCiD2> :P
[09:12] <Amaranth> planet.ubuntu.com
[09:12] <poningru> please link
[09:12] <action09> poningru planet.ubuntu.. :)
[09:12] <MolochOwl> basically your not going to have much luck turning an mpg into a few seconds of gif.
[09:12] <poningru> rofl
[09:13] <poningru> I searched around for that like crazy couldnt find one
[09:13] <dennis_> dennis@Spartan:~$ sudo rpm -U /home/dennis/Desktop/skype_<IP_ADDRESS>-1_i386.deb
[09:13] <dennis_> /home/dennis/Desktop/skype_<IP_ADDRESS>-1_i386.deb: read manifest failed: Success
[09:13] <dennis_> :(
[09:13] <poningru> heh
[09:13] <poningru> thanks guys
[09:13] <aCiD2> Amaranth, faad or faac?
[09:13] <IceDC571> well for some odd reason, out of the box.. rhythmbox didnt support my ipod, when i had gstreamer-faad2 too, it said something about it not being able to read the vfs.. then a couple weeks later it works mysteriously
[09:13] <freddy> mpg to gif
[09:13] <freddy> lol
[09:13] <IceDC571> aCiD2: you want faad
[09:13] <IceDC571> d for decoding, c for encoding
[09:13] <dennis_> Anyone here have skype installed?
[09:13] <freddy> IceDC571, damn man :(
[09:13] <aCiD2> ahhh
[09:13] <Amaranth> aCiD2: faad
[09:13] <aCiD2> cool, I wonder what the difference was there :)
[09:13] <freddy> oh!! IceDC571 !!
[09:13] <freddy> it works!
[09:13] <aCiD2> which repo is gstreamer-faad on?
[09:14] <IceDC571> freddy: what works?
[09:14] <Amaranth> aCiD2: not in ubuntu at all
[09:14] <dennis_> Anyone here use skype?
[09:14] <aCiD2> ah, ok
[09:14] <freddy> IceDC571, the ipod
[09:14] <aCiD2> google time
[09:14] <Amaranth> aCiD2: You need to pluck it from marillat manually.
[09:14] <aCiD2> marillat?
[09:14] <nickrud> ah
[09:14] <dennis_> Noone does ???
[09:14] <Amaranth> google is your friend :)
[09:15] <Amaranth> dennis_: Nope.
[09:15] <dennis_> Hmm
[09:15] <dennis_> WEll
[09:15] <aCiD2> Yea, Im googlin' now :)
[09:15] <dennis_> The skype page gives instructions on how to install RPM and Tar...
[09:15] <dennis_> but not deb
[09:16] <n1k0> hi, anyone knows good python ide?
[09:16] <freddy> http://www.skins.be/framepic.php?id=16611&size=1024
[09:16] <freddy> nice belt
[09:16] <freddy> LOL
[09:16] <Razor-X> hmmm, what's the address for hoary-extras repo?
[09:17] <n1k0> it's allready in /etc/apt/sources.list..just un comment
[09:17] <internat> anyone care to tell me where i can get a copy of the default .config file used for the kernel?
[09:17] <IceDC571> freddy: you have an ipod?
[09:18] <Razor-X> n1k0: oh, that's just universe, and that crap?
[09:18] <dennis_> Anyone here use skype????
[09:18] <dennis_> Anyone?
[09:18] <freddy> IceDC571, yes dude we were talking about it like 2 ours ago O_o
[09:18] <prego> dennis_, I've used it sometimes
[09:18] <dennis_> On ubuntu?
[09:18] <freddy> internat, i...have mine *shrug*
[09:18] <dennis_> prego, mind if I pm you?
[09:18] <prego> dennis_, yeah
[09:18] <freddy> want me to send it or something?
[09:18] <freddy> it is default.
[09:18] <internat> yeah ok
[09:19] <prego> dennis_, wait, i have to look for the micro
[09:19] <n1k0> Razor-X: ou jea..I'm not even sure is there extra repos...mut have you tried backports?
[09:19] <internat> cause frigs me where the helll it is, i cant find it anywhere
[09:19] <nickrud> internat it's in /boot/, named comfig-$(uname -r)
[09:19] <internat> ah
[09:19] <Razor-X> n1k0: of course, of course ;)
[09:19] <n1k0> Razor-X: =)
[09:19] <n1k0> god damn I have lousy english :/
[09:20] <nickrud> and I cant't type worth a damn
[09:20] <internat> hmms ok so its modulieed.. why the frig cant i get my sound card wroking
[09:21] <n1k0> hey everybody, where are you from?
[09:21] <beginnerMKII> hey guys in 'sudo cp speedtch* /lib/hotplug/firmware' whats the * refering to, i don't have speedtch as directory of filename, i'm confused as to what it could be ..
[09:21] <n1k0> Finland
[09:22] <Tomcat__> beginnerMKII: speedtch* matches all filenames and directories that start with speedtch and end in anything.
[09:22] <Tomcat__> n1k0: Germany
[09:22] <freddy> Venezuela
[09:22] <Tomcat__> Oi.
[09:23] <n1k0> =)
[09:23] <freddy> Oi?
[09:23] <nickrud> n1k0 seattle
[09:23] <freddy> you dont like Venezuela or something?
[09:24] <beginnerMKII> Thanks Tomcat
[09:24] <n1k0> no =) I like venezuela :) kind of exotick place
[09:24] <Tomcat__> No, just that Venezuela is one of the countries you don't meet someone from every day. :)
[09:24] <n1k0> exotick = exotic
[09:24] <n1k0> :D
[09:24] <freddy> well nice to meet you guys then
[09:24] <freddy> :)
[09:24] <n1k0> :)
[09:24] <Tomcat__> When you log onto IRC, it's hard *not* to find anyone from Germany, Finland or the US... but Venezuela is different.
[09:25] <internat> anyyone able to tell me a place to configure my creative labs soundcard, i jjust did a clean install and it wont work, but the modules will load if fi modprobe it but still no sound :S
[09:25] <kolas> I have mounted my ext3 /dev/hda5 partition on /mnt/stock, but I would prefer to have it mounted like a volume on the desktop, how to do that ?
[09:25] <Tomcat__> How's the Internet at your place? Broadband available? University? Modem?
[09:25] <freddy> Tomcat__, well here i am :)
[09:25] <freddy> all that
[09:25] <n1k0> all
[09:25] <prego> Hello guys, I'm planning to buy a new computer. Should I choose an AMD 64 or get a P IV?
[09:25] <n1k0> I use broadband
[09:25] <nickrud> kolas you need to make your partition an option user in fstab
[09:25] <n1k0> actually in Finland it's called adsl
[09:25] <freddy> imma at my bed with my laptop Tomcat__ , there is no horses and stuff here
[09:26] <Tomcat__> prego: Depends on your needs, but I suggest the AMD64... got one. :)
[09:26] <aCiD2> could anyone do me a favour and copy the contents of "www.ubuntuforums.org/#codecs" to a pastebin or something? For some reason, I cant access the site
[09:26] <jono> hi all, I added an extra repo in sources.list and have since removed it - how can I search my system for all software installed from that repo?
[09:26] <kolas> nickrud: so, w/dev/hda5       /mnt/stock      ext3    defaults        0       2
[09:26] <Tomcat__> freddy: Yeah I know Venezuela is not that rural, I'm not American... :P But still, many countries don't have broadband.
[09:26] <prego> Tomcat__, I have some questions about AMD64... do you use ubuntu64 or ubuntu32?
[09:26] <kolas> nickrud: sorry, how to change this line then : /dev/hda5       /mnt/stock      ext3    defaults        0       2 ?
[09:26] <Tomcat__> On the other hand, the question was stupid... I got a relative in Chile, and he has broadband. :o
[09:27] <freddy> Tomcat__, ;) you thought we had horses, tell the truth
[09:27] <nickrud> kolas 'defaults,user' is the only change you should need i think
[09:27] <n1k0> no girls here? ;) ;)
[09:27] <internat> anyone?
[09:27] <Tomcat__> prego: 32... there are no 64-bit binaries for Flash and w32codecs.
[09:27] <kolas> nickrud: thanks
[09:27] <prego> freddy, horses carrying hard drives as broadband?
[09:27] <freddy> n1k0, they are not that easy
[09:27] <nickrud> kolas that's from memory, I think it works
[09:27] <n1k0> :D
[09:27] <freddy> prego, yeah hehe