[12:25] <xivulon> superm1: yes but others helped to, I am ago on the forum
[12:25] <superm1> xivulon, well then perhaps i should speak to you after mythbuntu's first release regarding getting us in it
[12:26] <xivulon> superm1, at the moment what is required is a metalink file pointing to an alternate ISO
[12:26] <xivulon> you can reuse one of the metalink files we provide
[12:26] <superm1> xivulon, well we're not going to have an alternate iso unfortunately
[12:26] <superm1> at least not this release
[12:26] <xivulon> or use a metalink editor
[12:27] <xivulon> superm1 then you'll have to wait for cjwatson and evand to allow preseeding in ubiquity so that the livecd can be used, possibly should be done by 7.10
[12:27] <superm1> right
[12:28] <evand> oh, it will be :)
[12:28] <superm1> well we have a variety of other options that would need to be preseeded as well
[12:28] <superm1> so i think wubi would need a few more pages for those options
[12:28] <xivulon> ps I sent a reply to cjwatson on the ml, I am interested in comments on the second part of the email
[12:29] <xivulon> superm1, the idea of wubi is to have a 1 click installer. and by 1 click I mean 1 click, not 2 or 3
[12:29] <evand> ahhhhh, that explains the latter two changes
[12:30] <xivulon> evand yep
[12:30] <superm1> xivulon, i see.  well the problem is that we account for options in hardware selection
[12:30] <superm1> during install
[12:30] <superm1> such as a remote and tuners
[12:30] <xivulon> sorry at the time I looked for malone in m-a, then I forgot to notify you
[12:31] <xivulon> superm1: what about having a reasonable config and have the rest at first boot?
[12:31] <evand> great!  I'll fix that bug and apply the changes for dealing with already mounted filesystems, provided I can make the use case of previous partitions of a separate /home and / that are already mounted still work
[12:31] <superm1> xivulon, that's a possibility.  one of our specs allows for it at least via our control centre
[12:31] <xivulon> evand thx
[12:32] <superm1> i'll get back to you after its implemented
[12:32] <superm1> and we can talk a little more about this
[12:32] <xivulon> superm1: quick OT question, why does not mythtv use mysql (at least some versions ago')?
[12:32] <xivulon> I mean sqlite
[12:33] <xivulon> I have always thought that lots of complications where due to the use of mysql as opposed to sqlite
[12:33] <superm1> xivulon, developers choice to originally use mysql, and there has been no effort towards sqlite at this point
[12:34] <xivulon> I think they should use sqlite ;P
[12:34] <superm1> a lot of the original complications on the ubuntu packages were mysql related, but i've massaged the packaging as much as i could to prevent users from messing things up with it
[12:35] <superm1> i agree though, i think there should be multiple options: sqllite, postgres, mysql, etc
[12:35] <superm1> just a matter of the effort involved to do so
[12:35] <xivulon> To be honest I think they should just use sqlite, there is little point in choosing a db in a media server, and most other dbs are probably an overkill.
[12:36] <xivulon> considering the tickets they had to answer because of mysql it is probably a worthy investment
[12:37] <superm1> does sqlite scale well to many machines, or only to a local app?
[12:40] <xivulon> used to be only local app, not sure if they managed to improve the locking system. But do you really need multiple backend servers?
[12:41] <superm1> well i use 2
[12:41] <superm1> and i have remote frontends
[12:41] <superm1> i'm not sure how common that is though
[12:42] <xivulon> Yep but all the data could be in one backend anyway, even singlethreaded
[12:42] <xivulon> anyway that's ot
[12:42] <superm1> ya
[12:43] <xivulon> evand do you know if anyone plans to come on board and help with the wubi front-end?
[12:43] <superm1> i'd say bring it up in #mythtv, but i know what the result will be.  "You want a feature, submit a patch, or put it on the wiki page, and maybe someone will do it"
[12:44] <xivulon> superm1: I wish I could help, but I have not much time for that, the little I have I am using on wubi
[12:44] <superm1> :)
[12:47] <evand> xivulon: I'm tempted to, provided I can find some free time.  What needs to be done, exactly?
[12:48] <xivulon> improve the download manager, we need segmented downloads
[12:49] <xivulon> improve keyboard detection
[12:49] <superm1> xivulon, currently does it use bittorrent to do it?  Or just http?
[12:49] <xivulon> http, but with a few features
[12:49] <xivulon> we used to have bittorrent, but it was clunky
[12:49] <xivulon> it required python and a few users had issues with it
[12:49] <cjwatson> as far as our use of wubi is concerned, I was imagining that we'd just ship it on the CD, which would mean that wouldn't be so much of an issue
[12:49] <xivulon> hi cjwatson
[12:50] <cjwatson> hi, going to bed soon so nothing complicated please :)
[12:50] <xivulon> np long day here, my brain is melting (more than usual)
[12:51] <xivulon> I sent you a reply, you already answered a bit
[03:26] <TheBigClash> hello
[03:27] <TheBigClash> i have a problem with installing ubuntu
[03:28] <TheBigClash> can anybody help me?
[09:21] <CIA-19> migration-assistant: evand * r56 migration-assistant/ (9 files in 2 dirs):
[09:21] <CIA-19> migration-assistant: * Close directories in ma-search-users.
[09:21] <CIA-19> migration-assistant: * Don't unmount devices when we can avoid having to.
[09:21] <CIA-19> migration-assistant: * Look for registry files case-insensitively.
[09:49] <CIA-19> migration-assistant: evand * r57 migration-assistant/ (import.c ma-ask search-items.c utils.c utils.h): Minor fixes in previous case-insensitive registry locations commit. Also make use of it in search items.c
[09:59] <glledo> cjwatson evand : I've been trying to get partman-crypto working with ubiquity, I've created a LP branch, if you want to take a look: https://code.launchpad.net/~glledo/ubiquity/ubiquity.crypto
[11:29] <cjwatson> glledo: I'd like to look, but http://geeksynapse.net/repo/ubiquity.crypto/ returns HTTP 404 so LP can't mirror the branch
[12:13] <dns_56> i have a bug with software raid and the ubuntu installer, i have fedora installed correctly and it has software raid 5 but ubuntu does not detect it
[12:24] <cjwatson> please file a bug, I think it's going to be too hard to diagnose on IRC
[12:25] <cjwatson> make sure to attach the /var/log/syslog and /var/log/partman files; you can go back to the installer main menu and use "save debug logs" to extract those
[12:25] <cjwatson> partman-md would be an appropriate package to file the bug on
[12:25] <cjwatson> I'm assuming you're using the alternate install CD and not the desktop CD
[12:25] <dns_56> tried both, the bug is in feisty as well but not in fedora
[12:26] <cjwatson> the desktop CD does not support RAID, so please don't bother trying that
[12:26] <cjwatson> I would welcome a report from the gutsy alternate install CD with the appropriate logs
[12:27] <dns_56> i do not know a huge ammount about raid, what info is going to be useful?
[12:28] <cjwatson> 11:25 <cjwatson> make sure to attach the /var/log/syslog and /var/log/partman files; you can go back to the installer main menu and use "save debug logs" to extract those
[12:28] <cjwatson> that information
[12:28] <dns_56> ok i will do that in a few minutes
[12:39] <glledo> cjwatson: I've changed the webserver to index, at least I can see the code now with the Browse Code LP thing
[03:10] <cr3> cjwatson: hi, would you have a minute to help diagnose an installation problem I'm encountering with a custom image generated by fabbione?
[03:14] <cjwatson> cr3: sure
[03:20] <cr3> cjwatson: if I get "No volume groups found", that means the hard drive is not detected right?
[03:23] <cjwatson> no, that means no LVM volume groups were found. Ignore it if you weren't expecting to have LVM; the log message is just a consequence of one of the commands run in the process of starting up partman
[03:24] <cjwatson> d-i is unfortunately noisier in the logs than it should be sometimes
[03:26] <cr3> cjwatson: hm, the installation is stopping with a blue screen (the usual blue background) and I'm trying to isolate the problem. I'll have a second look at syslog
[03:33] <cr3> cjwatson: the installation stops shortly after detecting hardware and the highest pid on the machine is running /lib/partman/automatically_partition/10resize
[03:40] <cjwatson> cr3: would like a copy of /var/log/partman then
[03:40] <cjwatson> it may have made an invalid parted_server request and got stuck
[03:40] <cjwatson> that can happen if e.g. one of the arguments is empty by accident
[03:40] <cjwatson> parted_server's protocol handling isn't too clever :(
[03:51] <glledo> cjwatson: I changed the branch so now it's hosted in LP: https://code.launchpad.net/~glledo/ubiquity/ubiquity-crypto
[03:52] <cjwatson> thanks, will try
[04:11] <cr3> cjwatson: I finally got networking up on the machine to grab partman but httpd is not there. where can I find that shell script to invoke nc with the proper arguments?
[04:22] <cjwatson> cr3: probably easier to just 'anna-install openssh-client-udeb' and scp it out
[04:27] <cr3> cjwatson: that outputs a bunch of blanks and returns 0, which might indicate the command completed successfully, but there's no ssh nor scp command
[04:39] <cjwatson> please check again, there really should be
[04:39] <cjwatson> unless you ran it very early on, before the "retrieving additional components" step of the installer (which is also before partman!)
[04:47] <cr3> cjwatson: yep, I didn't see that step go by
[05:10] <cr3> cjwatson: $bestpart is set to none in /lib/partman/automatically_partition/10resize_use_free/choices
[05:11] <cjwatson> yes ...?
[05:12] <cjwatson> 'nc -l -p RANDOMPORT >partman' should be enough on the server side
[05:12] <cr3> cjwatson: I still can't get /var/log/partman from the system, so I've been trying to diagnose the problem myself. the last line in the log file is: /lib/partman/automatically_partition/10resize_use_free/choices: IN: PARTITIONS parted_server: Read command: PARTITIONS
[05:12] <cjwatson> 'nc SERVERHOSTNAME SAMERANDOMPORT </var/log/partman' on the client side
[05:13] <cjwatson> also same with /var/log/syslog in case parted_server fell over and whined there
[05:13] <cr3> cjwatson: so, I looked at the script and tried running it manually. I get a bunch of blanks so I ran the script again with set -o xtrace.
[05:13] <cjwatson> check whether the parted_server process is still running
[05:13] <cjwatson> no no no no don't run it manually you'll break stuff
[05:13] <cjwatson> if you did that, please reboot and reproduce it cleanly
[05:13] <cr3> yes, the parted_server is still running
[05:19] <cr3> cjwatson: emailed both syslog and partman logfiles
[05:22] <cr3> I also sent the dmesg and lsmod output, in case it might be useful
[05:22] <cjwatson> thanks, but dmesg is included in syslog and lsmod usually isn't needed
[05:27] <cr3> cjwatson: I suspect that the problem is that no storage device is being detected, ie ls /dev/sd* /dev/hd* doesn't show anything
[05:29] <cjwatson> cr3: just how custom is this installer?
[05:30] <cr3> cjwatson: the installation process installs a base.sqfs, chroot-initrd and chroot-vmlinuz instead of installing a bunch of packages
[05:32] <cjwatson> cr3: sounds rather like:
[05:32] <cjwatson> partman-auto (54ubuntu2) edgy; urgency=low
[05:32] <cjwatson>   * Fix hang on partman startup if no disks are present.
[05:32] <cjwatson>  -- Colin Watson<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:25:30 +0100
[05:33] <cr3> cjwatson: ok, so now I need to figure out how to detect the disk considering the feisty live image detects it properly
[05:33] <cjwatson> yes, definitely
[05:33] <cjwatson> the PARTITIONS command is supposed to be followed by the id of the disk; parted_server is stuck waiting for that to arrive
[05:33] <cjwatson> r194 of bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/partman-auto/ubuntu/ fixes this
[05:34] <cjwatson> cr3: right, that would be a kernel question ...
[05:36] <cr3> cjwatson: I suspect the vmlinuz and initrd used for my installation is not up-to-date. so, I'm trying to make -d build_netboot from the debian-installer root
[05:36] <cjwatson> sourced from which release?
[05:38] <cr3> I should source it from gutsy because my target image is for gutsy
[05:38] <cjwatson> err, but the kernel is 2.6.15?
[05:38] <cjwatson> according to your log
[05:38] <cjwatson> I updated d-i for gutsy yesterday or so, so it should be bang up-to-date
[05:39] <cr3> cjwatson: that's just for the installer, but the system being installed is gutsy
[05:43] <cjwatson> blink, I wouldn't guarantee that gutsy d-i will work with the 2.6.15 kernel
[05:54] <cr3> cjwatson: I successfully did make -d build_netboot, so I'll try the generated initrd.gz and vmlinuz
[06:24] <cr3> cjwatson: where should the initrd.gz reside after running make build_monolithic in debian-installer?
[06:25] <cjwatson> cr3: dest/monolithic/initrd.gz I think
[06:26] <cr3> it seems to be generated under netboot directories so I'm wondering if that's normal or if that's a result of my previous runs of make_netboot
[06:26] <cr3> darn, no monolithic subdirectory under dest
[06:26] <cjwatson> the latter
[06:26] <cjwatson> then it probably failed
[06:30] <cr3> that's probably because of the pkg-lists I specified for monolithic, lets try removing that
[06:33] <cr3> hm, the dest directory isn't even created after running: apt-get source debian-installer; cd debian-installer-20070308ubuntu9/build; make build_monolithic
[06:35] <cr3> I wish make -d provide more readable output
[06:37] <cjwatson> why would you use make -d here?
[06:37] <cr3> because nothing is happening, so I'd like to enable debugging to understand why
[06:37] <cjwatson> it's only useful for relatively unusual makefile debugging. The regular output of the makefile is probably much more helpful if not obscured by insane amounts of -d
[06:38] <cjwatson> oh, you need to uncomment monolithic in build/config/i386.cfg or whatever it is
[06:38] <cjwatson> monolithic is only for installer developers (modulo fabbione being crazy and thinking it's a good idea to ship it) so it's not turned on by default
[06:38] <cr3> cjwatson: cheers! the problem was that I wasn't getting any output at all
[06:43] <cr3> cjwatson: ok, I'm getting close. I'm now getting: finish-install: Depends: installed-base but it is not installable
[06:44] <cr3> cjwatson: apt-cache search is not returning anything for finish-install, so where is that package coming from?
[06:59] <cjwatson> cr3: apt-cache search doesn't return anything for any udeb
[07:00] <cjwatson> cr3: that's due to the base-installer in gutsy being too old, anyway; I'll look at fixing that
[07:41] <phracker> help
[07:41] <phracker> hehhe
[07:42] <cjwatson> phracker: please ask your question rather than asking for general help
[07:42] <phracker> ok
[07:42] <phracker> here is my issue
[07:42] <phracker> when I attempt to dpkg -i webmin I get errors
[07:42] <phracker> jkennebe@Nix1:~$ sudo dpkg -i webmin_1.350_all.deb
[07:43] <evand> phracker: This is not a support channel.  Please see #ubuntu.
[07:43] <cjwatson> this channel is just for matters relating to initial installation of Ubuntu; general package installation help is more appropriate for #ubuntu
[07:43] <phracker> well I just figured that you maybe have more information
[07:44] <phracker> I will try that chan thanks
[07:46] <cjwatson> no slight to individuals intended; while it's possible that we know the answer, I'd rather that this channel didn't turn into #ubuntu as then we won't be able to get anything done :-)
[07:46] <cjwatson> (I'm happy to do small bits of installer support as that often results in interesting bug-fixes)
[07:47] <evand> Is there anything special about Vietnamese as a locale?  This bug doesn't occur when using any other language.
[07:48] <cjwatson> oh, have you reproduced it?
[07:48] <evand> oh yeah, it's simple
[07:48] <evand> just install with vietnamese :)
[07:48] <evand> you'll hit it every time
[07:49] <cjwatson> well, it's UTF-8 without having .UTF-8 on the end of its locale name, but it's not unique in that
[07:49] <cjwatson> (unusual, but not unique)
[07:49] <evand> I'm surprised we didn't hear about this sooner.
[07:49] <cjwatson> its legacy character encoding (TCVN5712-1) isn't used by anything else; perhaps it's ended up in the legacy encoding by accident?
[07:50] <evand> hrmm
[07:50] <cjwatson> that would be vi_VN.TCVN rather than vi_VN
[07:52] <phracker> how do you disable sudo
[07:53] <cjwatson> cf. also localechooser 0.27ubuntu17
[07:53] <cjwatson> phracker: at install time? use expert mode and opt to create a root user
[07:53] <cjwatson> phracker: at any other time, just set a password for the root user
[07:56] <evand> cjwatson: indeed, thanks for reminding me.  That was on the list of things to try in my head but had since slipped my mind.
[07:58] <evand> cjwatson: wait, why localechooser from dapper and not edgy?
[07:58] <cjwatson> evand: the changelog for that revision, I mean
[07:58] <evand> ahhh
[07:58] <cjwatson> interesting Vietnamese-related bug
[08:02] <phracker> thanks cjwatson
[08:04] <cr3> cjwatson: is there a workaround to the base-installer in gutsy being too old?
[08:05] <cjwatson> cr3: the workaround is the version of base-installer I'm about to upload ...
[08:06] <cjwatson> I'm surprised that actually broke anything though, as I'm not getting swarms of complaints about it being broken
[08:08] <cr3> cjwatson: I'm only getting that for monolithic though, netboot works fine. so maybe you didn't get any complaints because fabbione is on vacation :)
[08:08] <cjwatson> ah, could be that monolithic objects, yes
[08:09] <cjwatson> its dependency resolution is less permissive because it uses apt-get rather than anna to do the job
[08:11] <cjwatson> cr3: uploaded; try again in a few hours
[08:13] <evand> cjwatson: you're quite good at finding the cause of bugs without even looking at them:
[08:14] <evand>  /target/etc/environment: LANG="vi_VN.TCVN"
[08:16] <cjwatson> ha!
[08:16] <cjwatson> just practice, you develop intuition after a while. you OK with tracking down the fix from there?
[08:17] <evand> indeed, thanks for the kick in the right direction
[08:18] <cjwatson> no worries
[08:29] <phracker> I have come to the conclusion that I am a moron
[08:29] <phracker> why didnt I know about aptitude
[08:29] <phracker> ugh
[08:29] <phracker> that made things alot easier
[08:29] <phracker> =|
[08:30] <phracker> and I dont have to get rid of sudo
[08:30] <phracker> do you guys know if there is a "tightvnc" application that I could use
[08:30] <phracker> oh nevermind
[08:30] <phracker> duh I am using ssh
[10:09] <cr3> when trying to build monolithic on feisty, I get: E: Couldn't find package acpi-modules-2.6.20-16-generic-di
[10:37] <cr3> I found that the pool was containing 2.6.20-15, so I downloaded that to the localudebs directory. however, now I'm getting errors about ext2-modules package
[10:53] <cr3> evand: would you happen to know where the packages for ext2-modules, ext3-modules, jfs-modules, etc. are located?
[11:06] <evand> cr3: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.22/ ?
[11:10] <cr3> evand: partman-basicfilesystems seems to depend on ext2-modules, but it's nowwhere to be found even in that url
[11:20] <cr3> evand: that's weird, the linux-source-2.6.15 repository contains the ext2-modules but the later repositories don't
[11:20] <cr3> evand: I wonder if the module has been superceeded by something else and it's just the partman dependencies which haven't been updated
[11:28] <evand> hrm
[11:33] <evand> fs-core-modules
[11:37] <cr3> evand: do you think I could modify partman-basicfilesystems to depend on that instead of ext2-modules?
[11:43] <cr3> evand: I also changed pkg-list/standard-udebs to only require partman-basicfilesystems amongst the partman-* packages. seems to be running now, but this is feeling freaky hacky
[11:45] <cr3> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[11:45] <cr3> Command failed with status 139 : mklibs-readelf --print-rpath ./tmp/monolithic/tree/bin/ld_static
[11:52] <cr3> that was on gutsy, trying on feisty now
[11:59] <evand> I may be wrong about the fs-core-modules thing, but I somewhat recall a changelog entry a while back about some sort of shuffle involving the base filesystems.  Or it could be a false memory.
[11:59] <cr3> feisty seems to have generated something, now to see if it works


[13:44] <holstein> edinny: depends
[13:44] <holstein> 4gb's should be plenty for audio
[13:45] <holstein> i could imagine *not* liking waiting around on it for video or compiling
[13:45] <holstein> but, that wont have much to do with the ram
[13:47] <edinny> thanks
[13:51] <holstein> these says ram is so cheap, you can just max a box out usually for $100 US or so
[13:51] <holstein> if its not a waste of resources
[13:51] <holstein> i spent like $150 on 8GB's of ram for a machine recently
[13:52] <holstein> but, i got the machine for free, so i felt i could justify the purchase
[13:56] <edinny> My motherboard takes a max of g gigs...maybe I bought the wrong MB!
[13:59] <holstein> depends
[13:59] <holstein> i mean, audio production doesnt take much
[13:59] <holstein> i did everything i wanted to do with a p4 with 1 gb of ram


[12:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74892 in launchpad "Bug status should include 'In Review' item" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74892
[01:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74900 in launchpad "allow duplicate specification URLs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74900
[02:48] <jamesh> thumper: pong
[02:55] <thumper> hiya jamesh
[02:55] <thumper> I was going to ask about the locations.conf bzr config files
[02:55] <jamesh> thumper: sorry I didn't reply earlier -- went out to the travel agent
[02:55] <thumper> jamesh: np
[02:55] <thumper> I just pushed to devpad with bzr+ssh
[02:55] <thumper> so I got my work in progress up
[02:56] <thumper> I was reading a launchpad list email with policy_appendpath bits in it
[02:57] <thumper> and I was just going to ask why it didn't seem to be working
[02:57] <thumper> I chatted with some guys on the bzr list
[02:57] <thumper> and ended up not using a public-branch specifier
[02:58] <thumper> am I missing something with regards to how to do that?
[02:58] <jamesh> the policy_appendpath was only ever in one of my branches
[02:58] <jamesh> the syntax changed to "$keyname:policy = appendpath"
[02:58] <thumper> that is what the bzr guys ended up informing me
[02:58] <thumper> but that is bzr.dev not 0.13 which is what I have
[02:58] <jamesh> bzr-0.14 will be the first release containing the patch (I missed the 0.13 merge window)
[02:58] <thumper> how do I set the public branch with 0.13?
[03:01] <jamesh> two ways:
[03:02] <jamesh> (1) set public_branch for the branch in locations.conf (you can't use appendpath, so you'd need to set it once for each branch)
[03:02] <jamesh> (2) if you have a local repository, you can set public_repository for the local repository location
[03:03] <jamesh> for (2), if the local directory for the branch is $repo/$branch, then the URL used by pqm will be $public_repository/$branch
[03:05] <thumper> I have a shared repository
[03:05] <thumper> so I'll probably just set it for each branch for now in locations.conf
[03:11] <jamesh> looks like some of the complexity in BranchTargetView comes from trying to support both the +branches view (a table), and +authoredbranches/+registeredbranches/+subscribedbranches (a list with multiple sections)
[03:13] <jamesh> and by the enumeration sort key not matching the numeric value sort order
[03:15] <jamesh> the page should probably also be batched eventually, but that can be handled later
[03:16] <thumper> thanks for looking
[03:17] <thumper> I'm sure it could benefit from splitting in two, one for the table view and the other for the sectioned list
[03:18] <thumper> when we get to the stage of needing to batch the page, I'll be a happy camper
[03:18] <thumper> as it will mean that we have lots of branches :)
[03:21] <jamesh> well, one question is whether we want to keep the list view ...
[03:23] <jamesh> https://code.launchpad.net/products/bzr <- that's long enough to think about batching
[03:23] <thumper> personally I don't think it adds too much
[03:23] <thumper> jamesh: that list is much shorter without merged or abandoned branches
[03:24] <jamesh> sure.
[03:24] <jamesh> but you'll still be able to display the full listing
[03:24] <jamesh> and that listing is only going to get longer over time.
[03:24] <thumper> true
[03:24] <jamesh> eventually it will start timing out (as any non-constrained list will)
[03:25] <thumper> again true
[03:25] <jamesh> there is some good infrastructure for handling batching like this, but it's probably better to focus on one problem at a time
[03:26] <thumper> yeah, I'll get around to it sometime RSN
[05:53] <jamesh> apparently the airline I travelled to Brazil on last time doesn't exist anymore
[05:54] <jamesh> according to the travel agent
[06:17] <stub> jamesh: I pushed out a new pytz release without your patch as people in WA where asking for it. I should get your patch in for the next release :)
[06:17] <jamesh> stub: fair enough.  We should update Launchpad's pytz :)
[06:17] <jamesh> it doesn't know what time of day it is currently ...
[06:28] <jamesh> stub: just sent a review for your pillar-name megapatch
[06:29] <stub> Not too painful? I was hoping to seperate the test diff from the real diff, but I think things go mingled
[06:30] <jamesh> I skimmed over most of the page tests where it only looked like the URLs differed
[06:31] <jamesh> there are a few areas that we need to think about, such as the xml-rpc end points
[06:32] <jamesh> currently Bazaar has the URL https://xmlrpc.launchpad.net/bazaar/ in the source
[06:32] <jamesh> for the register-branch command XML-RPC
[06:35] <jamesh> I think this could be handled in the ILaunchpadRoot nav class by checking "if IXMLRPCRequest.providedBy(self.request): ..."
[06:55] <stub> Hmm... dunno. Might work.
[07:05] <BjornT> if IProduct gets an XML-RPC API, how would you access the bazaar product via XML-RPC?
[07:09] <jamesh> BjornT: via methods hung off a different end point?
[07:11] <BjornT> jamesh: my point was that a product's XML-RPC API should be accessed via https://xmlrpc.launchpad.net/product_name, and that would cause problem if /bazaar would be the register-branch API
[07:13] <jamesh> BjornT: why not have an API hung off "/" that lets you do get_foo(product_name)
[07:13] <jamesh> or even issue a product_name.get_foo() request
[07:14] <BjornT> what would that return?
[07:18] <jamesh> what do you mean?
[07:18] <jamesh> whatever you wanted
[07:18] <jamesh> what I mean is that there is no particular reason to use different end points for different products
[07:19] <jamesh> you can either include the product as a parameter, or encode it into the method name
[07:22] <BjornT> that could be true, i'm not sure whether there are any plans on adding such APIs.
[07:23] <BjornT> still, afaik we haven't made an official announcement that we support XML-RPC, it's still experimental, so if we're going to change URLs, now is the time to do it.
[07:23] <BjornT> at this time we don't have to care too much about old clients.
[07:26] <jamesh> BjornT: released versions of Bazaar include a command using Launchpad's XML-RPC interface
[07:26] <jamesh> BjornT: I think it is worth supporting them at least in the medium term
[07:29] <BjornT> jamesh: sure, supporting them medium term is reasonable.
[07:30] <jamesh> BjornT: the alternative is a flag day where all old clients stop working and need to be upgraded, which isn't as appealing.
[10:07] <thumper> hey ddaa
[10:07] <thumper> I'd like you to take a look at the branch filtering that I have on work in progress
[10:08] <lifeless> thumper: irssi
[10:08] <thumper> hey lifeless, I take it that is the irc client?
[10:08] <ddaa> thumper: I'm not there yet, just out of bed
[10:08] <thumper> ddaa, np, don't want feedback right now
[10:08] <lifeless> yup, it sure is
[10:08] <ddaa> I'd be happy to take a look. Care to drop me an email as reminder?
[10:09] <thumper> ddaa, sometime today would be fine
[10:09] <thumper> ddaa, there is an email to launchpad list
[10:09] <ddaa> cool
[10:10] <thumper> lifeless: did you poke Jase re work?
[10:11] <thumper> lifeless, where do you run it from in order to screen to it?
[10:12] <lifeless> thumper: my home 'server'
[10:13] <thumper> ah
[10:13] <thumper> my home server is on a boat somewhere
[11:31] <Zindar> mornign
[11:31] <Zindar> is there any way to be part of a team in lp and not get all bugs in mail
[11:31] <Zindar> ?
[11:31] <lifeless> BjornT: ^
[11:32] <BjornT> Zindar: no. but you might convince your team to set a contact address to a mailing list or something. if a team has a contact address, mail will be sent to that one only.
[11:33] <Zindar> I think the rest of the team would like that
[11:33] <lifeless> propose it on the main list
[11:33] <lifeless> bzr-bugs or something
[11:34] <Zindar> I mean "wouldn't like that"
[11:34] <Zindar> sorry
[11:34] <Zindar> :)
[11:34] <Zindar> not a bad idea...
[11:52] <ddaa> btw, good morning
[12:09] <seiflotfy> guys i really need hel
[12:09] <seiflotfy> n0othign seems ot work
[12:10] <seiflotfy> there is a branch i want
[12:10] <seiflotfy> but somehow
[12:10] <seiflotfy> it telly me permission deinied
[12:10] <seiflotfy> wrong publuc key
[12:32] <SteveA> stub: ping
[12:32] <stub> SteveA: pong
[12:32] <SteveA> what team does beta use for authorization?
[12:32] <stub> Dunno - I thought you set that :)
[12:33] <stub> SteveA: Currently 'launchpad'
[12:33] <SteveA> I'll log into asuka and take a look
[12:33] <SteveA> ok
[12:33] <SteveA> I'm going to create a team for this
[12:35] <SteveA> when I want to set a contact address for a team, I can't just use my own address
[12:35] <SteveA> that seems wrong to me
[12:39] <SteveA> stub: looks like you configured it so that beta logins / sessions are distinct from main production logins / sessions
[12:39] <SteveA> which is fine
[12:39] <SteveA> I just changed the team on asuka
[12:40] <SteveA> I'm also going to change the config to use blueprints rather than features
[12:40] <SteveA> is the config meant to be under revision control?
[12:41] <SteveA> looks like it is
[12:41] <stub> Yes
[12:42] <stub> SteveA: I gave you the branch URL in my email
[12:42] <SteveA> ok, thanks
[12:42] <SteveA> I just hacked the config changes there, but I'll merge from your branch and do it properly
[12:43] <stub> I only modified beta/launchpad.conf if you can't be arsed merging
[12:44] <SteveA> ok, cool
[12:51] <cprov> good morning folks !
[12:56] <sabdfl> launchpad-beta ?
[01:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74949 in rosetta "Translation form should be moved to use LaunchpadForm" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74949
[01:38] <sabdfl> SteveA: is beta.lp.n still pointing at the staging data, or at production?
[01:39] <SteveA> production
[01:39] <SteveA> I still need to get the instructions on how to ask for membership on the "you can't log in to this server" page
[01:40] <SteveA> but, it's working from the launchpad-beta-testers team
[01:40] <SteveA> I'll make you an admin of that team...
[01:41] <SteveA> https://launchpad.net/people/launchpad-beta-testers
[01:41] <SteveA> ok done
[01:42] <sabdfl> hey guys! 2001 products registered in launchpad. congratulations :-)
[01:42] <SteveA> sabdfl: there is still a certificate problem (extra dialog sometimes) on beta.  elmo will be fixing that when a certificate arrives next week.
[01:42] <SteveA> not a show stopper though
[01:42] <sabdfl> ok, which team do we add people to that get to participate?
[01:43] <sabdfl> and is there a mailing list for the beta?
[01:43] <SteveA> there is
[01:43] <ddaa> sabdfl: how many of them are not owned by registry?
[01:43] <SteveA> you have the details in an email.  I can find and re-send if you need it.
[01:43] <sabdfl> ddaa: not sure, stub could probably answer that. stub, may be worth graphing that in cricket too
[01:44] <SteveA> sabdfl: re-sent email
[01:45] <ddaa> launchpad_prod=> select count(*) from product join person on product.owner = person.id and product.active and person.name != 'registry';
[01:45] <ddaa>  count
[01:45] <ddaa> -------
[01:45] <ddaa>   1167
[01:49] <ddaa> what's the point of advertising a FOSS svn repo if half the stuff there is password protected???
[01:51] <ddaa> monodevelop import syncing
[02:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74961 in launchpad-buildd "use more validatedemail addresses for maintainer e-mail whitelisting" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74961
[03:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74983 in malone "start can give "no bugs found"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74983
[04:27] <kiko> hello
[04:27] <kiko> there
[04:27] <kiko> half back up -- just sorting out backup restoring to /home
[05:27] <heno> is there some sensible way of downloading bug attachments in batch? Like all the attachments on open ubiquity bugs. I'd like to search them for some common strings
[05:41] <BjornT> heno: no, there's no easy way of downloading all the attachments like that.
[05:42] <heno> BjornT: ok thanks.
[09:21] <ddaa> up to 43 hours this week...
[09:21] <ddaa> you know that working this hard is actually illegal where I live?
[09:21] <radix> ddaa: you must be a terrorist
[09:22] <ddaa> http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/posters/89ae/zoom/
[09:23] <ddaa> also http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/posters/32cc/zoom/
[09:24] <radix> ddaa: heh, awesome
[09:25] <ddaa> you remember the motivational posters at the Hilton? :)
[09:25] <ddaa> http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/posters/5cd7/zoom/


[00:42] <Gryllida> Hi. I had a big party. forgot to log off 2 times. a nasty guest imitated a spellingbot at #ubuntu using my IRC client. My IP was banned from that channel, and at #ubuntu-ops they didn't believe that the party finished and that that person (my friend, whom I haven't seen for years) is outside of my country. What can I do?
[00:52] <Gryllida> Help!
[00:53] <persia> Gryllida: This channel really isn't any better in which to ask.
[00:53] <Gryllida> [Gryllida sighs]
[00:53] <persia> Time is what you want, if you plan to be successful.
[00:53] <Gryllida> How can waiting help me?
[00:54] <persia> It creates the impression that you aren't impatient.
[00:56] <Gryllida> I am not. I just know that I have the right to read #ubuntu and to write there. Full, complete right.
[00:58] <Gryllida> I am asking for it here since they said that I shouldn't appear at #ubuntu-ops for next 24 hours or they will ban me from there too.
[00:59] <persia> I understand.  What I suggest is that you don't ask for 24 hours.
[01:00] <persia> Many of the folk from there also idle here.
[01:59] <IdleOne> Gryllida: I hate to burst your bubble but you don't "have" the right. IRC is not a democracy where you have civil rights and all that nice stuff. Unfortunately your client got high jacked and now you have to pay the price. persia is right, be patient and tomorrow sometime go in real nice and patient and speak to the ops.
[02:00] <Gryllida> This "bot" was a human. My client didn't get high jacked. I'm sure because: 1) I know Bob 2) I looked at the bot in the logs, no computer program could have worked like that
[02:01] <Gryllida> Besides, they have all read the things that I wrote there. ALL of them have read them. One of them will un-ban me himself if he suddenly finds me truthful.
[02:02] <IdleOne> Gryllida: I meant high jacked in the sense that it was used without your permission
[02:02] <Gryllida> Bob is not in my country now...
[02:02] <IdleOne> well that doesn't change the fact that Bob still did what he did
[02:03] <IdleOne> Gryllida: I think you should take this as a learning experience. Now you know that you should always secure your computers from being used without permission
[02:04] <m4v> Gryllida: your pc is your responsibility.
[02:04] <Gryllida> I took some security measurements... This was a big family event, he came from far, stayed for two weeks... But you can read all of it in the logs. Stop doing the same questions. I needn't repeat since this all is in the logs. I already told them that I increased sequrity. I already told them PLENTY of things.  You have the story in the logs.
[02:09] <Gryllida> I have increased the security. Bob has departed at 10:00AM UTC. Why don't you just un-ban me? Do you need details about my current security level? I will be glad to give you more details.
[02:09] <Gryllida> the departure is an estimate, Bob isn't a time machine ;)
[02:10] <m4v> we can't unban you, this isn't #ubuntu-ops
[02:10] <IdleOne> Gryllida: I don't have the permissions needed to unban you. what I am trying to explain is that the only way for you to get the ban lifted is by waiting the 24 hours like they told you to
[02:10] <Gryllida> they said that if I don't wait for 24 hours they will ban me at #ubuntu-ops
[02:11] <m4v> Gryllida: you only need to wait 24hs
[02:11] <IdleOne> it's one day, #ubuntu is logged if you have the need to read it that bad
[02:11] <IdleOne> btw all those ops are in here also
[02:12] <IdleOne> but talking to them about it in here will only make things worse I suspect
[02:13] <IdleOne> in the meantime there is always #ubuntu-offtopic which can be entertaining at times. Remember the Ubuntu rules of conduct apply there also
[02:13] <IdleOne> To set up and configure your locales, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LocaleConf
[02:14] <IdleOne> Gryllida: ^^
[02:14] <Gryllida> Thanks!
[02:14] <IdleOne> sure thing, next time ask before messaging someone :)
[02:17] <IdleOne> Gryllida: please stop messaging me. I don't have any magic persuasion powers over the ops
[02:17] <Gryllida> sorry
[02:17] <Gryllida> Thanks for the solution to my question.
[02:17] <IdleOne> no problem
[02:17] <IdleOne> seriously though if you are in the mood for chat #ubuntu-offtopic is the place
[02:18] <Gryllida> I think my questions are mostly "support" questions, since I am not a person who likes to waste time.
[02:34] <Gryllida> IdleOne, Anyhow, I was just idling here, and it was you who spoke about "no rights". Sorry for telling this, but I was patient and silent before your phrase. So I will be in some next time.
[02:35] <IdleOne> Gryllida: I was responding to what you had said and just thought that clarification was needed
[02:36] <Gryllida> I will be glad to be of any help if any more clarification is needed.
[02:37] <IdleOne> hehe, I meant to clarify your rights to you
[02:38] <IdleOne> IRC is a priviledge not a right
[02:41] <Gryllida> I will be glad to receive this privilege since I am not going to abuse it at all. I will be glad if somebody finds these words interesting.
[02:55] <Gryllida> IdleOne, how does a man become an "operator"?
[04:04] <Gryllida> !logs
[04:04] <ubott2> Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/
[04:16] <Gryllida> !es
[04:16] <ubott2> En la mayoría de canales de Ubuntu se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español o charlar entra en el canal #ubuntu-es. Escribe "/join #ubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y dale a enter.
[04:16] <bazhang> Gryllida, something you needed?
[04:16] <bazhang> Gryllida, please /msg ubott2 for that
[04:17] <Gryllida> not completely sure. I'm just wondering where ubottu is.
[04:17] <Gryllida> Yes, I will /msg ubott2
[04:17] <bazhang> Gryllida, you are querying where ubottu ?
[04:17] <Gryllida> mot my main question, actually... you know
[04:18] <bazhang> Gryllida, in a PM /msg nickserv?
[04:19] <Gryllida> sorry, i'll find where to test it, i'm not very good at it
[04:19] <bazhang> Gryllida, test what
[04:19] <Gryllida> test " /msg nickserv"
[05:37] <Gryllida> ubottu hi
[06:01] <Gryllida> !ubottu
[06:01] <bazhang> Gryllida, please /msg ubottu  if you must; better to read the factoids link
[06:02] <bazhang> http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi   <----- Gryllida
[06:03] <Gryllida> bazhang, sorry... I am talking with ubottu, yes! But when I said "!ubottu" to it then I got the reply "Hi! I'm ubottu's favorite infobot..." Sounded strange, that's why I typed it here. It is very interesting to talk with ubottu, and I have already visited this page ;)
[06:04] <bazhang> Gryllida, this is not the channel to test bot commands
[06:06] <Gryllida> Yes, I know "!language" thing. I've explained you my input here.
[06:07] <bazhang> Gryllida, this is for loco operators, not to test bot commands
[06:08] <bazhang> http://ubottu.com/clone.html Gryllida build your own botclone and test on your channel
[06:09] <Gryllida> [Gryllida sighs]
[06:24] <jussi01> bazhang: you can also refer people to #ubuntu-bots
[06:25] <bazhang> jussi01, good call, my oversight; thanks
[11:56] <erUSUL> !intelhda
[12:11] <guntbert> ping ikonia
[18:07]  * Linuks83 is away: I'm busy
[18:08] <rww> ubottu: away > Linuks83
[20:19] <erUSUL> Myrtti: been in #ubuntu before with the same attitude (just to insult)
[20:21] <Myrtti> erUSUL: good to know, I'll ban next time
[21:11] <arand> Myrtti: sorry, but may I inquire on the progress of the !pae factoid, again :-)
[21:11] <Myrtti> !pae
[21:11] <Myrtti> ikonia was about to do it today, but I guess he got sidetracked
[21:13] <ikonia> I did, worked called, I've got some notes
[21:13] <ikonia> I'll pick it up "now"
[21:13] <ikonia> took my ages to go through the logs
[21:13] <arand> Ah, ok, sorry being a bit pushy :)
[21:13] <ikonia> not at all
[21:28] <guntbert> ikonia: it seems they got *one* to do all the factoids work :-)


[00:11] <hakimsheriff> isn't there supposed to be a meeting now?
[00:28] <cprofitt> anyone awake
[00:51] <willwh> cprofitt: yes
[00:51] <willwh> whats up
[00:51] <willwh> sorry, having fun with my new kinect :]
[00:51] <cprofitt> no problem
[00:51] <cprofitt> I got asked by someone about your meeting
[00:51] <cprofitt> which they said was scheduled for 7pm to 8pm
[00:52] <cprofitt> ... thought I would see if I could stir someone up
[00:52] <willwh> :>
[00:52] <willwh> well - I think that's pst
[00:52] <willwh> but I could be wrong
[00:52] <cprofitt> his name is hakimshariff
[00:52] <willwh> tbh I don't think I've been on time to a meeting, ever.
[00:52] <willwh> ;]
[00:52] <cprofitt> he linked me to
[00:52] <cprofitt><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:52] <willwh> I don't know him, I'm afraid
[00:52] <cprofitt> which shows EST
[00:53] <willwh> oh yes it does
[00:53] <cprofitt> yeah I think he may be trying to hook up with you guys
[00:53] <willwh> which I guess is in 7mins?
[00:53] <willwh> interesting
[00:53] <cprofitt> its 8pm in 7 minutes
[00:53] <willwh> oh
[00:53] <cprofitt> He hangs out in the #ubuntu-beginners-team a bit...
[00:54] <cprofitt> he is not on now... or I would have him come and meet you
[00:54] <cprofitt> what is a kinect?
[00:55] <willwh> ah, an xbox kinect
[00:55] <willwh> it's a motion detection type device
[00:56] <willwh> I'm using this; http://people.ict.usc.edu/~suma/faast/
[00:56] <willwh> to run it on my pc to play some games :>
[00:56] <cprofitt> nice
[00:57] <cprofitt> hey hakimsheriff
[00:57] <cprofitt> willwh: is here...
[00:57] <cprofitt> he was not sure about the meeting though
[00:58] <hakimsheriff> sorry i got diconnected
[00:58] <cprofitt> willwh: meet hakimsheriff
[00:58] <hakimsheriff> willwh: Hi
[00:58] <willwh> howdy
[00:59] <hakimsheriff> on the google calendar it said there was an irc meeting
[00:59] <willwh> well, I guess it didn't occur
[00:59] <hakimsheriff><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:59] <willwh> there is a forum too
[00:59] <willwh> and a mailing list
[01:00] <hakimsheriff> i am in the mailing list
[01:00] <willwh> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=395
[01:00] <willwh> ok
[01:00] <hakimsheriff><EMAIL_ADDRESS>right?
[01:00] <willwh> I am not sure why there was no meeting tonight
[01:00] <willwh> that is correct
[01:00] <willwh> did you need something specific?
[01:01] <willwh> I am kinda busy here :]
[01:01] <hakimsheriff> no just wondering why there was no meeting
[01:02] <willwh> I don't knwo
[01:02] <willwh> knwo**
[01:02] <willwh> argh
[01:02] <willwh> I don't know*
[01:03] <cprofitt> hakimsheriff: hit the mailing list... see if you can get an answer there
[01:03] <cprofitt> but start soft...
[01:03] <cprofitt> don't ask why the meeting didn't happne....
[01:04] <cprofitt> just ask when the next meeting is because you want to join / help the team
[01:04] <hakimsheriff> okay thx
[01:06] <cprofitt> just better not to put anyone on the defensive...
[01:06] <cprofitt> hakimsheriff: where in CA are you?
[01:06] <hakimsheriff> montreal
[01:07] <cprofitt> Nice.
[01:07] <hakimsheriff> cprofitt: by the way when is the next UBT meeting?
[04:34] <dscassel> willwh: Sorry about that. This doesn't *feel* like the second Sunday to me.
[04:35] <dscassel> I never scheduled a meeting for tonight.  BobJonkman put it on a monthly repeat in the calendar.
[04:35] <willwh> ahh
[04:35] <dscassel> Hakim is very enthusiastic. ^_^;
[04:35] <BobJonkman> Whoops.  and i was off watching movies...
[04:36] <dscassel> We should probably schedule one for next weekend.
[04:36] <dscassel> I'll put it in the LoCo Directory...
[04:37] <BobJonkman> OK, and I'll move the entry for tonight to next week...
[04:38] <BobJonkman> Maybe mention it on the ubuntu-ca mailing list too.
[04:39] <dscassel> Done. Yeah. Tomorrow. Ima gonna pass out now.
[04:41] <BobJonkman> NightNight dscassel
[04:41] <dscassel> 'night, Canada
[19:53] <txwikinger> Are the identi.ca servers in Canada?
[19:55] <johanbr> looks like they are hosted by iweb in Montreal
[19:56] <txwikinger> Ah yes..
[19:57]  * txwikinger wonders if that is outside the subpoena power of the US Government
[19:57] <txwikinger> twitter is not
[19:57] <johanbr> right
[19:57] <johanbr> depends on whether identi.ca has any US presence, I guess
[19:59] <johanbr> the thing that stood out to me is that iweb seems to have a RISQ connection... I wonder why
[19:59] <txwikinger> Jefferson: http://wiki.monticello.org/mediawiki/index.php/When_governments_fear_the_people,_there_is_liberty...(Quotation)
[21:36] <txwikinger> US DoJ is asking for all information of people who follow wikileaks on twitter. Maybe it is time to unfollow if someone does not want to be harrassed by ICE or be put on non-fly lists :)
[22:51] <FiReSTaRT> txwikinger: yikes... fortunately i dont have a twitter account.. the only places i follow on fb are my ISP (b/c they also do a lot of standing up for net neutrality and fair usage on our market) and fair copyright for canada :P


[00:19] <rick_h> hatch: kinda, fish tank cleaning
[00:19] <rick_h> while we were chatting my son dumped all the fish food into the tank
[00:19] <rick_h> emergency cleaning in progress :/
[00:19] <rick_h> hatch: what solution is this?
[00:21] <hatch> lol, well it's pretty trivial tbh heh https://gist.github.com/hatched/2dd9628d46be512cc753
[00:21] <hatch> ^ rick_h but it comes with an odd bug, if I click 'browse' after viewing the inspector it shows the sidebar opened with only the categories....not the fullscreen
[00:24] <rick_h> looking
[00:26] <rick_h> yae, not sure what it's doing. Will have to debug the viewState and see what's getting set
[00:26] <rick_h> this seems strange imo
[00:26] <rick_h> we don't need the 67-70 stuff I thought, just left over from debuggin?
[00:27] <hatch> had to add it back in because it wasn't being set properly
[00:27] <rick_h> ah, if things are minimized, the old viewmode is never set to _XXXX
[00:27] <rick_h> makes sense
[00:27] <rick_h> yea, die hidden stuff die
[00:27] <hatch> I'm glad you understand it because I sure don't heh
[00:28] <hatch> so can i push this up and then email it you to to take over in the am?
[00:28] <rick_h> well, if we're updating the viewState to sidebar, then the next request we try to remove _sidebar.destroy()
[00:28] <rick_h> but we never set this._sidebar because it was hidden
[00:28] <rick_h> hatch: sure thing, I think I understand the issues enough to get it going.
[00:29] <hatch> ok great - I really want to use every available hour to try and get this release out tomorrow and there are still the two other bugs
[00:29] <hatch> thanks - I'll push and email to you
[00:29] <rick_h> hatch: rgr
[11:09] <rick_h> luca__: morning, so with your email, the goal is to setup an collapsable accordian effect then? With the three headings always visible and the content of them scrollable?
[11:13] <luca__> morning rick_h
[11:14] <luca__> sort of, Jeff knows what we are after, are you working on it now or can you wait to talk to him?
[11:14] <luca__> rick_h: because he did it wrong to start with and Gary got a bit annoyed over the wasted effort
[11:14] <rick_h> luca__: we can wait. not a problem. I'll be getting back to it soon (late today/tomorrow?) and wanted to clarify what the goals were.
[11:14] <rick_h> luca__: ah, this is the sticky header business?
[11:15] <luca__> rick_h: yes :)
[11:15] <rick_h> luca__: nvm, I got it then. I took a stab at it at one point so I gotcha.
[12:07] <frankban> hey hazmat: when you have time, could you please take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~frankban/juju-deployer/guiserver-changes/+merge/182369 ?
[12:13] <rick_h> jujugui small review please for when people get in and need something to read with their coffee https://codereview.appspot.com/13276043/
[12:15] <gary_poster> rick_h, did you resolve with Jeff or Ben why it used to be a databinding?  The ony value I can see to the databinding is if the charm is updated and the icon changes, I guess?
[12:17] <rick_h> gary_poster: the issue before was that there wasn't the store doing icon stuff and I think it started out hoping we could generate the paths/logic in there
[12:17] <rick_h> gary_poster: but no, I didn't check on why databinding. I remeber talking with bcsaller when he added it and it was a 'show something' because the store integration wasn't ready yet
[12:18] <gary_poster> ok cool.  if it is not clear how to do it with databinding then the win seems relatively small and I'm fine with the nice-n-simple approach you have here
[12:19] <rick_h> gary_poster: yea, I was going to do data binding thinking it was a case of "if the user opens another charm we can reuse the rendered html and update the data displayed with data binding"
[12:19] <rick_h> however, the *only* attribute data bound was the icon
[12:19] <rick_h> so I think it was a case of 'let's just hack this in' gone wild :)
[12:19] <gary_poster> lol
[12:20] <gary_poster> oh so that code is *only* for the ghost?  the post-deploy is different code?
[12:21] <rick_h> gary_poster: no, I think that it's shared. However, the post-deploy can generate the icon the same way
[12:22] <rick_h> or I just broke the normal way...so take that review request back :/
[12:26] <gary_poster> rick_h, I dunno, I could go either way.  I assumed it was shared when I said "if it is not clear how to do it with databinding then the win seems relatively small and I'm fine with the nice-n-simple approach you have here."  OTOH if you are fairly convinced of the win for the post-deploy scenario, I'll leave you to it
[12:26] <rick_h> gary_poster: yea, so I'm not sure how it fits atm. Basically I've found that from the store the charm model has a charmId field to generate the icon.
[12:26] <rick_h> from the already deployed charm that attribute isn't in the model there.
[12:27] <rick_h> however, charmUrl is in both, and that works to generate the right icon url
[12:27] <rick_h> gary_poster: so working on adding a test to both cases so that if this breaks it shows up
[12:27] <rick_h> gary_poster: e.g. I broke the icon in the non-ghost case and so adding a test to say it's fixed.
[12:28] <gary_poster> rick_h, ok cool.  I'll leave the branch alone for now then.
[12:55] <rick_h> gary_poster: got it figured out. Missed the service vs charm model case handling in there. Updated with an extra test to catch.
[12:55] <gary_poster> cool rick_h, looking again
[13:06] <luca__> Morning gary_poster, welcome back
[13:06] <abentley> sinzui: Could we do a catch-up chat this morning?
[13:08] <abentley> bac: in r362, it looks like you've changed use_context so that __exit__ is run even if __enter__ fails.  Is that intentional?
[13:12] <gary_poster> hey luca__, thank you :-)
[13:14] <bac> abentley: it was my intent to register the cleanup early but didn't take into consideration what happens if __enter__ failed.
[13:14] <abentley> bac: Why did you want to do that?
[13:15] <bac> abentley: i was working on the problem that adeuring now has with spurious test failures and it looked like the test index was not properly being cleaned up
[13:16] <sinzui> abentley, sure. I can telling about how charmworld tip is incompatible with 2 migrations and It is time to upgrade pyelasticsearch
[13:17] <abentley> bac: Ah.  I think we should change it back, though.  It was registering the cleanup as soon as it was safe to do so.
[13:17] <bac> abentley: i can do that in my current branch
[13:17] <abentley> sinzui: Now?
[13:18] <sinzui> abentley, sure
[13:58] <gary_poster> hey luca__ I just got to your "Juju business assumptions" email.  I'm guessing I should not bother to reply since the deadline is long past now? :-)
[13:58] <luca__> gary_poster: Heya, no need now, but thanks anyway :D
[13:58] <gary_poster> luca__, cool :-)
[13:59] <sinzui> bac, benji, rick_h, The charmworld deployment failed because r363+ is incompatible with two migrations in earlier revisions
[13:59] <rick_h> hatch: when you're around have a fix for the issue from yesterday. http://paste.mitechie.com/show/1007/ is the diff and lp:~rharding/juju-gui/browser-fix-1217060 is the branch. Adding some tests and will have it up for review later.
[13:59] <benji> darn
[13:59] <rick_h> hatch: then I'll be taking a strong bath for the evils committed
[13:59] <rick_h> sinzui: :(
[13:59] <sinzui> I will ask for 3 deployments today to deploy each migration at the point it has code.
[14:00] <sinzui> that was compatible
[14:00] <rick_h> migrations are fun! :)
[14:00] <sinzui> well maybe to because I think one migration was a correction for m16
[14:00] <benji> we should think about how to avoid this problem in the future
[14:00] <rick_h> sinzui: time to rollup and redeploy on -core? :)
[14:01] <sinzui> Not today
[14:01] <gary_poster> right, benji.  one approach is that we should treat a migration file as a migration in production, and devs have to deal with figuring out how to test re-migrations
[14:02] <gary_poster> that seems simplest to me, and every other idea I have is a more complex approach for questionable benefit
[14:02] <benji> gary_poster: I'm trying to remember how we ended up dealing with migrations (or "generations" back then) in the Z4M project.  We ended up in a place that worked really well, but I'll have to remember the details.
[14:03] <gary_poster> benji, IIRC it was the open source zope generations.  the trick was that ZODB would remember the generation it had, and then run through *all* generations
[14:03] <gary_poster> from last run to current
[14:04] <gary_poster> but that is still potentially riskier in a DB/env not as flexible as ZODB
[14:04] <gary_poster> reasonable but not sufficient, I'd suggest, IOW
[14:04] <benji> that might be how the mechanism worked, but we came up with a set of procedures that actually avoided most of the mechanism but still worked well; it'll take a while for me to remember
[14:04] <gary_poster> ok
[14:06] <hatch> rick_h: ahh you went with the controls binding approach
[14:06] <rick_h> hatch: yea, I think that contains the 'evil' the most
[14:06] <rick_h> hatch: I didn't follow where you were headed with the removing of the whole check entirely and such tbh
[14:07] <hatch> ohh, all I was doing was minimizing the sidebar when the user opened the full inspector
[14:07] <rick_h> hatch: yea, but then you still have the button to un-minimize visible and such
[14:07] <hatch> so the check was no longer needed becasue the browser was still on top of the inspector
[14:07] <rick_h> hatch: so there's UX conflict
[14:07] <gary_poster> benji could you add Friday card about topic pls?
[14:08] <hatch> shhhh
[14:08] <hatch> they wouldn't know
[14:08] <rick_h> jujugui for the later morning coffee crowd, some light reading https://codereview.appspot.com/13276043/
[14:08] <gary_poster> rick_h, ugh, I got lost
[14:08] <rick_h> gary_poster: I'm sory you get lost?
[14:09] <gary_poster> give review to someone else rick_h
[14:09] <rick_h> ah, you mean review stuff. All good.
[14:09] <rick_h> gary_poster: yea, I'll but the western peeps :)
[14:09] <gary_poster> cool
[14:09] <rick_h> or jcsackettcif he's aroud today
[14:09] <rick_h> grrr mobile internet lag
[14:09] <hatch> rick_h: i'll take one of the reviews
[14:09] <rick_h> hatch: ty much
[14:10] <rick_h> hatch: note this is a diff card than the one we've been going over.
[14:10] <rick_h> just fyi to avoid crossing the streams
[14:12] <benji> gary_poster: card added
[14:12] <gary_poster> thx
[14:36] <hatch> morning antdillon
[14:36] <antdillon> Morning hatch
[14:50] <bac> mark uds keynote talking about cloud-ish now.  http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1308/meeting/21887/intro-and-keynote/
[14:51] <hatch> thx
[14:55] <hatch> hey it's the GUI!
[14:56] <sinzui> bac, benji, your revisions are now in production. I think we want a branch to remove the migrations since we know they are not all compatible with tip
[14:57] <benji> yeah, I think so
[14:57] <benji> sinzui: I'll make a card
[15:01] <Makyo> "our less-fortunate brethren" Hah.
[15:01] <hatch> haha yeah I laughed
[15:02] <hatch> antdillon: do you have any idea what cellular frequencies are available there?
[15:02] <hatch> my google fu is returning conflicting details
[15:06] <antdillon> hatch, GSM 900 or 1800
[15:06] <antdillon> hatch, http://www.ofcom.org.uk/static/archive/ra/topics/pmc/document/licencetypes/cellularinfo.htm#4
[15:07] <hatch> ahh nice the HTC One's in Canada have 850/900/1800/1900 GSM
[15:08] <rick_h> antdillon: is this rumor of sims in vending machines at the airport true?
[15:08] <rick_h> antdillon: it seems like a candy land of mobile connectivity
[15:09] <antdillon> rick_h, Almost, there is all way a booth selling sim cards
[15:09] <hatch> awww right on
[15:09] <hatch> guess I'll be going to get the new phone at lunch and unlocking at night haha
[15:09] <antdillon> rick_h, Or giving them away as long as you put some credit it on it
[15:10] <rick_h> antdillon: cool, yea I'll have a gsm mifi that'll need some sim love
[15:10] <rick_h> since I don't have a GSM phone :(
[15:10] <rick_h> stupid verizon
[15:10]  * hatch steals the wifi from rick_h
[15:10] <rick_h> hatch: sure thing. It's what I did before. Wifi'd my phone to the mifi and used it to get directions to dinner!
[15:10] <antdillon> I can see some wifi wars coming up
[15:11] <rick_h> hah
[15:11] <hatch> haha nice!
[15:11] <hatch> I'm going to get the HTC One because there are awesome Android 4.3 roms for it, ANNND Ubuntu Touch port :D
[15:11] <rick_h> cool, I'm still holding out for nexus 5. I'm not due up for a couple more months.
[15:11] <rick_h> but then I'll be switching to t-mobile and I'll have gsm
[15:11] <rick_h> so less of an issue with this traveling
[15:11] <bac> hatch: i recall last time i was there one of the good deals on pre-paid sims was at tesco, the grocery chain
[15:12] <hatch> rick_h: yeah I'm sick of waiting, which means a new better phone will come out next week
[15:12] <hatch> lol
[15:12] <rick_h> bac: when I tested out the mifi here on ATT to make sure it worked it cost me $30 for 300mb good for 7 days. I've got low expectations.
[15:12] <bac> benji: would you have time to look at https://code.launchpad.net/~bac/charmworld/link-to-basket-on-lp/+merge/182415
[15:12] <benji> bac: sure
[15:13] <rick_h> bac: in copenhagen I got 1gb of data for 12months for $13
[15:13] <hatch> hahaha
[15:13] <bac> rick_h: yeah, we are ripped off and don't realize it
[15:13] <rick_h> bac: oh we realize it, but lack of options
[15:14] <bac> rick_h: in VN i could go 3 weeks with heavy data use (i get lost a lot) on a $2.50 top-off
[15:18] <benji> bac: your branch looks good
[15:19] <bac> thanks benji
[15:21] <rick_h> jujugui and hatch in particular, review #2 please for giant hacky bug. Please look away while reading. https://codereview.appspot.com/13282043/
[15:22] <rick_h> and time to head back from the coffee shop, back in a minute
[15:24] <hatch> thanks rick_h
[15:47] <rick_h> Makyo: thanks for the review. Do you have time to look at smaller/more sane other one? https://codereview.appspot.com/13276043/
[15:48] <Makyo>  rick_h sure
[15:49] <rick_h> thanks Makyo, appreciate it
[15:49] <hatch> jujugui guichat in 10
[15:53] <rick_h> jujugui and the charmworld folks, might be interseted in https://pypi.python.org/pypi/nose-selecttests/0.4
[15:54] <gary_poster> looks nice.  funny that functionality is not part of nose generally, but yay for plugins I guess
[15:56] <hatch> rick_h: after your branches land can you let me know so I can re-qa the remaining two bugs in Urgent to see if those fixes fix those bugs
[15:56] <hazmat> gary_poster, nostalgic for zope.testrunner ? ;-)
[15:56] <rick_h> hatch: rgr
[15:56] <gary_poster> hazmat, exactly :-)
[15:58] <hatch> jujugui guichat in 2min
[16:01] <gary_poster> frankban, you around for call?
[16:01] <jcsackett> jujugui: i appear to be the only one on the call...did the appointment hangout get borked, as i can't imagine that's right.
[16:02] <gary_poster> jcsackett, try guichat
[16:02] <jcsackett> gary_poster: oh, duh. of course.
[16:02] <jcsackett> thanks.
[16:02] <gary_poster> np
[16:02] <jcsackett> <--- needs more coffee
[16:02] <bac> jcsackett: i think the link in the calendar is broken
[16:03] <jcsackett> bac: yeah, it is. i don't know why i was trying to use it instead of guichat.
[16:11] <frankban> rick_h: https://codereview.appspot.com/12741051
[16:11] <frankban> thank you
[16:12] <rick_h> frankban: thanks
[16:24] <abentley> adeuring: We may want to change our pattern so that instead of creating an index and then putting the mapping, we supply the mapping at index creation time: http://www.elasticsearch.org/guide/reference/api/admin-indices-create-index/
[16:25] <adeuring> abentley: ah, very intersting. Let me try that. It would most likely fix a problem with temp_index_client()
[16:26] <abentley> adeuring: Doing a refresh may also give us a way to wait until the index is present: http://www.elasticsearch.org/guide/reference/api/admin-indices-refresh/
[16:26] <adeuring> right
[16:28] <hatch> rick_h: the branch fixed the two outstanding urgent bugs
[16:28]  * hatch goes back to QA'ing
[16:28] <rick_h> hatch: woot!
[16:28] <rick_h> hatch: had hoped so.
[16:28] <hatch> must have been the state update and some odd race condition
[16:29] <rick_h> hatch: I think it was the same thing. The viewmode controls weren't bound right in the non-browser state
[16:38] <gary_poster> Inbox zero!  kinda sorta.  I have a few emails tagged I have to deal with.  But anyway, I'm taking a lunch break in celebration.
[16:39] <rick_h> woot! only two days, email master!
[16:40] <hatch> rick_h: found another bug
[16:40] <rick_h> hatch: stop doing that
[16:41] <hatch> rick_h: haha sorry :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1217449
[16:41] <_mup_> Bug #1217449: Sidebar won't minimize after viewing unit list <juju-gui:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1217449>
[16:41] <hatch> can you look at it now?
[16:41] <rick_h> hatch: reviewing right now, can afterwards
[16:42] <hatch> ok assigning to you
[16:42] <rick_h> rgr
[16:42] <frankban> guihelp: anyone available for reviewing a js branch? https://codereview.appspot.com/13286043 This should land asap, before further env/ws tests are added.
[16:43] <hatch> frankban: I'll take one if no one else does (just want to finish this QA pass)
[16:43] <frankban> hatch: thank you
[16:45] <hatch> rick_h: probably related https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1217450
[16:45] <_mup_> Bug #1217450: Browse button shows empty sidebar after clicking Juju logo <juju-gui:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1217450>
[16:47] <rick_h> frankban: looking
[16:47] <frankban> rick_h: thanks
[16:48] <hatch> frankban: do we have tests for the Go portion of these tests which you set the default to be 'python' ?
[16:52] <frankban> hatch: yes, I believe so, everything is more directly tested in the test_env_* files.
[16:52] <hatch> great
[16:57] <frankban> hatch: re (actual, expected), is it a JS guideline?
[16:57] <hatch> frankban: it's the syntax for the nodejs assertion library
[16:57] <hatch> http://nodejs.org/api/assert.html
[16:57] <hatch> for the full api
[16:57] <hatch> it doesn't cause any issues, just creates confusing error messages when the tests fail :)
[16:59] <frankban> hatch: interesting, I am used to expected first, and I am pretty sure I always did that in all my js branches :-) the error messages are usually confused by default, especially when you use deepEqual :-)
[16:59] <hatch> oh I know...I also think that expected should be first
[17:00] <hatch> that's why I left the decision to switch it to you :D
[17:01] <frankban> thanks hatch, perhaps we can clean up this stuff later with a mechanical branch
[17:01] <hatch> sure thing
[17:08] <hatch> rick_h: I'm taking off for an early lunch I believe the two tickets in urgent are related
[17:08] <hatch> but I*
[17:08] <rick_h>  hatch yea, looking at them now
[17:08] <hatch> great thanks a lot!
[17:08] <hatch> bbl
[17:18] <benji> abentley: do you have a few minutes to review my "respect charm versions in APIv3" branch? https://code.launchpad.net/~benji/charmworld/versioned-charm-api/+merge/182450
[17:40] <abentley> benji: looking...
[17:58] <hatch> rick_h: back
[17:58] <hatch> need any help with that stuff now?
[17:59] <rick_h> hatch: no, think I've got it. Just sanity checking and debating on testing/etc
[17:59] <rick_h> hatch: fixes both of them
[17:59] <hatch> awesome thanks
[17:59]  * hatch picked up the HTC One
[17:59] <hatch> chose a new store this time and was in and out in 10mins
[18:00] <rick_h> hatch: very cool, jealous. You'll have to let me check in out next week ;)
[18:00] <hatch> yep, now I'm stuck in a 3 year
[18:00] <hatch> haha
[18:00] <rick_h> 3yr?! ouch!
[18:00] <rick_h> I get ancy before 2yrs
[18:02] <hatch> it's not like i'm going to go with another provider so it's just picking the option that made the phone the cheapest
[18:02] <hatch> it was $100
[18:03] <hatch> I'm pumped that I am able to disable apps now
[18:04] <hatch> bye bye Facebook
[18:04] <hatch> although after I get back it'll likely be getting a rom anyways
[18:07] <rick_h> hatch: I've got one issue I'm not able to see wtf atm
[18:07] <rick_h> hatch: got a second?
[18:07] <hatch> yup
[18:08] <hatch> in guichat
[18:38] <hatch> rick_h: about to test
[18:38] <hatch> sorry make hung
[18:38] <rick_h> hatch: ok, I've got a couple test failures from it working out
[18:39] <hatch> rick_h: I got it to fail but then if I let it sit, the gui portion goes away
[18:39] <hatch> lol
[18:39] <hatch> it's like a few second delay
[18:39] <rick_h> *UGH*
[18:39] <rick_h> hatch: make sure to clear cache and such
[18:39] <rick_h> I don't know...just trying to find some excuse it could be something else
[18:41] <hatch> now I can't repro :/
[18:43] <hatch> repro'd
[18:43] <hatch> now how...
[18:44] <hatch> it's like there is a race condition
[18:44] <hatch> sometimes I can see a 'flash' of the inspector as the sidebar comes up
[18:45] <rick_h> hatch: k, well hack inbound. Give me a few min
[18:46] <hatch> alright thanks
[18:59] <abentley> benji: sorry for the delay.  Was ambushed by a UDS session.
[19:00] <benji> CRIKEY! Isn't she a beauty?!
[19:00]  * benji watches abently wrestle with the wild UDS session.
[19:08] <rick_h> hatch: guichat?
[19:08] <hatch> there
[19:31] <hatch> rick_h:  :(
[19:31] <hatch> dbl click > Build > Juju (...and repeat) still happens
[19:34] <hatch> rick_h: does that not have an issue for you still?
[19:34] <rick_h> hatch: looking
[19:35] <hatch> the dbl click is on the service of course
[19:36] <rick_h> hatch: ok, something is setting renderEnvironment to false. Looking
[19:38] <rick_h> hatch: ok, so when I navigate with clearAllNameSpaces, it's hitting back into the toggleStaticViews with a url :gui;/service...
[19:39] <rick_h> then I get the message 'waiting on service data' and that causes anothewr dispatch to go through that clears it
[19:39] <rick_h> hatch: so my navigate() command isn't 'die gui die' enough
[19:40] <hatch> lol
[19:40] <rick_h> hatch: so how would I generate a _navigate that manually set :gui:/
[19:40] <rick_h> vs :gui:/service...
[19:40] <rick_h> ?
[19:42] <hatch> there is a url method on the nsrouter
[19:42] <hatch> which you pass a config object to
[19:42] <hatch> and it generates a url for you
[19:42] <hatch> see line 1307 in app.js as an example
[19:43] <rick_h> looking
[19:48] <abentley> benji: "Featured bundle UI" looks redundant with "User innterface to (un)set a bundle as featured".
[19:49] <benji> abentley: it does, are those card titles?
[19:49] <abentley> benji: Yes.
[19:49] <abentley> benji: You're assigned to one, but not the other.
[19:49] <benji> abentley: will you kill one of them for me?
[19:49] <rick_h> hatch: I don't get this...I navigate to a fresh url but the url in req.url in toggleStaticViews is still :gui:/service...
[19:50] <abentley> benji: Done.
[19:50] <benji> thanks
[19:50] <abentley> sinzui: Do you know what "charmworld should serve README in same pattern as charm" means?
[19:51] <hatch> rick_h: so the url in the address bar is empty?
[19:51] <hatch> minus the hostname
[19:51] <rick_h> hatch: no, it's got :gui:/service/mongodb
[19:51] <sinzui> abentley, not immediately
[19:51] <hatch> oh ok, so then that makes sense?
[19:52] <sinzui> abentley, and not after a few moments of thought
[19:52] <rick_h> hatch: no, so I run this.navigate(new_url);
[19:52] <rick_h> hatch: and in the views the url is the old url
[19:52] <abentley> bac: What does your card "charmworld should serve README in same pattern as charm" mean?
[19:52] <rick_h> hatch: guichat again? sorry
[19:52] <hatch> sure
[19:53] <sinzui> abentley, bundles need a readme, and the cw page should render it?
[19:53] <bac> abentley: better?  "(nice to have) charmworld should serve README for bundle in same manner as for charms"
[19:54] <abentley> bac: Much better.  I didn't understand that it was about bundles.
[19:54] <bac> abentley: i am going to mark it blocked on my current branch, though
[19:54] <abentley> bac: Okay.
[20:27] <hatch> bcsaller: kickin around?
[20:27] <bcsaller> hatch: yeah
[20:27] <bcsaller> whats up?
[20:27] <hatch> mind poping into guichat?
[20:28] <hatch> with rick and i
[20:45] <benji> abentley: thanks for the good review; I've made all the requested changes -- I think ;)
[20:48] <abentley> benji: looking...
[21:11] <hatch> bcsaller: rick_h gg :P
[21:12] <rick_h> hatch: heh, let me know how far you get. I can finish up/clean up in the morning. A simple test on the initState should work to make sure it's cleaning
[21:12] <rick_h> hatch: that's really the only *change* that's needed is that stupid initState method
[21:12] <hatch> haha right
[21:12] <rick_h> I'm outta here...
[21:12] <hatch> I'll send you an email with as far as I get
[21:12] <hatch> have a good night
[21:13] <rick_h> hatch: sorry to delay the release :(
[21:13]  * hatch shakes fist
[21:13] <hatch> lol np
[21:13] <rick_h> hatch: or feel free to leave it, Probably not getting 2 reviewd and such to release today anyway
[21:13] <rick_h> I'll have it up ready to go before you start tomorrow
[21:13] <hatch> oh ok can do that too
[21:14] <hatch> I can move onto other things
[21:14] <hatch> ok so I'll leave it then
[21:14] <rick_h> yea, up to you.


[17:39] <BobJonkman1> Hi genii: Are you on Twitter or Identi.ca?
[17:40] <genii> BobJonkman1: No, I usually avoid stuff like that, as well as facebook, myspace, et al
[17:41] <BobJonkman1> OK.  I'm just contributing to a conversation about the party tonight on StatusNet, and wanted to include you.
[17:41] <BobJonkman1> sn.jonkman.ca/conversation/48794
[17:42] <BobJonkman1> http://sn.jonkman.ca/conversation/48794 so it's linkified...
[17:49] <genii> Cool
[17:59] <genii> BobJonkman1: The owner lets me have the venue for free as a favour twice a year. Since I'm not rich I can only afford to provide free coffee and cupcakes, if people want beer they need to purchase it off the bar and help me by keeping in good with the owner :)
[18:00] <BobJonkman1> Wish I could join you. I'm going to another thing instead: http://www.fairvotewrc.ca/town-hall-meeting-on-electoral-reform-in-guelph-with-stephane-dion-brian-tanquay/
[18:01] <BobJonkman1> Doesn't look like there will a 13.10 release party in KW this year.  I have no venue, and no-one on the ubuntu-waterloo mailing list has really expressed an interest
[18:04] <genii> BobJonkman1: I joined Twitter now, grudgingly.
[18:07] <BobJonkman1> genii: Perhaps a bit hasty.  The StatusNet community is big on FLOSS and GNU/Linux.  You can run your own StatusNet software (actually, it's called "GNU social" now), and there are some public instances you can join if you don't run your own , eg. https://loadaverage.org/
[18:07] <BobJonkman1> But there is a Twitter bridge so that stuff you post to GNU social also appears on Twitter, and vice versa.
[18:09] <BobJonkman1> genii: So what's your Twitter ID?
[18:13] <genii> CoffeeGenii
[18:14] <genii> &$@^#! it makes you add a crapton of feeds before you can do anything
[18:29] <genii> Hm. I *think* I responded to that thread but not sure now.
[18:42] <genii> OK, yes, I did :)
[18:53] <azend|vps> BobJonkman1: the kw linux community can come join what seems to be the month after ubuntu release party in Guelph :)
[19:01] <BobJonkman1> genii: Re-tweeted and re-dented to add to the conversation: http://sn.jonkman.ca/conversation/48794
[19:02] <BobJonkman1> azend|vps: yay! Looking forward to it!
[19:05] <azend|vps> loadaverage.org seems to have a mess of an SSL situation going on


[00:26] <guiverc> xubuntu jammy.2 comes with chromium??  https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/jammy/release/xubuntu-22.04.2-desktop-amd64.manifest
[00:35] <arraybolt3> ??? OK that's odd.
[00:35] <guiverc> my jammy.2 RC QA-test install has chromium-browser deb package installed...
[00:35] <arraybolt3> Interestingly, the Snap of Chromium isn't there.
[00:36] <arraybolt3> So somehow the .deb is installed but the corresponding Snap didn't make it?
[00:36] <guiverc> snap would require internet, my QA-test install may not have had internet which could explain it (I can't recall; QA of jammy.2 was awhile ago & have multiple xubuntu's on this box too)
[00:37] <arraybolt3> :shrug: I mean Firefox is a Snap too and it's installed by default even without Internet access.
[00:37] <arraybolt3> Unsure how one would manage to seed the Chromium .deb and not the snap though.
[00:37] <guiverc> but the firefox snap IS ON THE ISO, chromium ain't!
[00:38] <guiverc> https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/seeds/xubuntu.jammy/desktop
[00:39] <guiverc> reason for this interest is askubu question - https://askubuntu.com/questions/1458299/chromium-automatically-installed-in-xubuntu-22-04-lts
[00:39] <arraybolt3> Ah, right, I see what you mean.
[00:46] <guiverc> thanks arraybolt3
[00:48] <arraybolt3> I'm wget'ing the ISO now to see if I can reproduce the issue with Chromium showing up while Internet access is provided.
[00:49]  * guiverc is rebooting & selecting another install on this box.. but being a sony ultracrap with no internet, I won't have had wifi/internet unless testcase mandated it...  (being lazy at heart)
[00:50] <guiverc> same chromium-browser deb installed here too, no snap package for it though
[00:52]  * guiverc tried another install (auto-resize type most probably); nope have ubuntu-mate now but not installed there...
[00:56]  * guiverc doesn't note it on lunar manifest
[01:21] <arraybolt3> guiverc: Just did a test installation with Internet access that I upgraded after install. I do *not* see Chromium present.
[01:21] <arraybolt3> However, this was an upgrade from Focal right? I wonder what happens if I do that.
[01:22] <guiverc> i was asking about jammy(.2)
[01:22] <arraybolt3> Hmm. I'm guessing something managed to rope in chromium-browser and if it was installed on a system afresh, then it would happen.
[01:22] <arraybolt3> Yeah, this was a new install of jammy.2 I just did.
[01:22] <arraybolt3> But I'm thinking jammy.1 probably didn't come with Chromium and so when whatever happened to pull it in happened, that would install it.
[01:23] <guiverc> user on askubu said a normal upgrade caused it to be installed (ie. depends) which could have also made it appear on manifest (why it wasn't in seed of jammy.2)
[01:23] <guiverc> nah I suspect it's recent, but didn't explore back to jammy.1
[01:24] <arraybolt3> I see that libreoffice-help-* has a Suggests on chromium-browser? Maybe something got tangled to make that cause a problem, I dunno.
[01:27] <guiverc> yeah i wondered that too, but didn't see any 'smoking-gun'
[01:28] <guiverc> i see `chromium-browser        1:85.0.4183.83-0ubuntu2` on manifest of 2022-08-09 so not that recent...
[01:29] <guiverc> also exists on manifest of 2022-04-19
[01:30] <guiverc> (those being jammy.1 & jammy probably.. I don't rename just keeping RCs)
[20:35] <andrey> Client: HexChat 2.16.0 • OS: Ubuntu "jammy" 22.04 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU    Q8200  @ 2.33GHz (2,00GHz) • Memory: Physical: 7,6 ГиБ Total (7,0 ГиБ Free) Swap: 7,3 ГиБ Total (7,3 ГиБ Free) • Storage: 38,6 ГБ / 470,8 ГБ (432,2 ГБ Free) • VGA: NVIDIA Corporation GK208B [GeForce GT 710] @ Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset DRAM Controller • Uptime: 6m 26s


[07:51] <mup> Bug #1370628 changed: [FFe] MAAS New 1.7 Upstream Release <maas (Ubuntu):Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1370628>
[11:30] <darknet> I've a suggest to make to developers of MaaS. is it possible to insert to next release a part where we can note a comment for the node added on MaaS. A sort of notepad where to write details about the node, as for example to specify what is deployed on that node.
[11:43] <mup> Bug #1428144 changed: Design: Power state progress icon <MAAS:Invalid by kasia-galandziej> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1428144>
[11:43] <mup> Bug #1428147 changed: 'Check power state' button should be red when power_state in error <ux> <MAAS:Invalid by kasia-galandziej> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1428147>
[11:43] <mup> Bug #1428149 changed: 'The node has been asked to start up' notification <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1428149>
[11:43] <mup> Bug #1430749 was opened: FQDN/MAC: first time you click on Mac it should change the view, the second time is clicked it should sort <ux> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1430749>
[12:01] <mup> Bug #1430753 was opened: aNode listing page: after using search or filter, hourglass in search box should change to cross clicking cross clears the search & filter query <ux> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1430753>
[13:43] <kiko> darknet, I think I filed a bug on that a while back, but yes, that's definitely something we want to add for 1.8
[13:43] <kiko> rvba, do you know if that made the shortlist, adding a comment log/whiteboard for the node?
[13:51] <roaksoax> darknet: if you want to describe what could be deployed on that node, you can add tags, and add comments to them
[14:08] <rvba> kiko: I think it has sort of fallen by the wayside.
[14:08] <rvba> kiko: as in, it's a bug but it didn't made the shortlist, AFAIK
[14:08] <rvba> make*
[14:10] <rvba> kiko: additionally, the new UI designs don't include this idea.
[14:10] <kiko> roaksoax, this is more to add notes on the node itself, it's not the same use case as tags
[14:11] <kiko> rvba, oh, that sucks
[15:01] <bmorriso> Is it possible to edit/manage cloud-init things with MAAS?
[15:08] <bmorriso> How do I get the default password created for the ubuntu user? So that I can log into the system on the console
[15:37] <mup> Bug #1430852 was opened: Very slow load times for view node pages in MAAS 1.7.2 <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1430852>
[16:56] <kiko> bmorriso, that's a great question, and today you can't easily -- but we set up ssh keys for you. does that not solve your problem?
[16:58] <bmorriso> No, it really doesn't. There are occasions where the host is not accessible via SSH -- so need that console access.
[17:03] <kiko> bmorriso, yeah we have run into that many times
[17:04] <bmorriso> I guess I'll edit preseed file and create a user just in case
[17:04] <kiko> bmorriso, out of curiosity, is your specific problem an install or enlist/commision-time bug you're trying to debug?
[17:04] <bmorriso> I was hoping I could manage cloud-init and set my own password
[17:04] <kiko> bmorriso, because if not you could auto-generate the password via ssh after the install is done
[17:04] <bmorriso> Could you explain that further?
[17:05] <kiko> let me find an example
[17:05] <bmorriso> Thank you
[17:07] <kiko> I was suggesting something like:
[17:07] <kiko> ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>'echo "ubuntu:foobar" | chpasswd'
[17:08] <kiko> would that work for you?
[17:08] <kiko> it requires the installation was successful
[17:08] <kiko> and of course it's a manual step post-install for each node you deploy, so it's mostly a hack
[17:09] <kiko> bmorriso, ^
[17:12] <bmorriso> So here is the full scenario. Not every sys admin has their key in MAAS, but they do have the ability to provision a server with MAAS...and once it's provisioned, they're on remote KVM, and they want to log in, but they can't -- because there is no console access, and their key isn't in MAAS. You probably say "just add their key to MAAS" but in the spirit of "DevOps" and everyone being able to push, having 75 keys in MAAS is something I don't
[17:13] <bmorriso> So basically I was just wondering if there wasn't a "default" password for the ubuntu user on the local console, or if there were  way to pass cloud-init during install to set the password
[19:27] <murphyslaw_> Hi.. when using openstack-install, how can I specify overrides for environments.yaml? I’ve tried putting them in config.yaml and then using “openstack-install -c configfile” but it ignores them.
[19:37] <kiko> bmorriso, does the solution I gave you above address the issue?
[20:19] <rick_h_> anyone have any hints to the failure  Command `rndc -c /etc/bind/maas/rndc.conf.maas reload maas` returned non-zero exit status 1
[20:19] <rick_h_> I moved the static IP range in the webui, saved it, and then got that
[20:21] <rick_h_> this is a dual homed machine and wondering if it's that it's coming from the wrong ip address?
[20:22] <rick_h_> and if anyone knows how to make it happy?
[20:42] <murphyslaw_> is this the right place to ask about openstack-juju?
[20:53] <kiko> rick_h_, I've seen that before -- this is on 1.7.x?
[20:53] <mup> Bug #1427325 changed: 404 file note found for CentOS 7 image building <MAAS Image Builder:Fix Committed by blake-rouse> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1427325>
[21:32] <rick_h_> kiko: yep, was 1.7.1  and it could not call rndc successfully. Had to add the second IP addr to /etc/bind/maas/rndc.conf in the allow block


[06:36] <ppisati> moin
[07:02] <smb> ciao
[07:33] <apw> bello
[07:34]  * apw yawns
[07:34] <smb> apw, woof
[07:34] <apw> that saulisbury fellow is a right showoff
[07:35]  * smb thinks he may guess who apw means
[07:36] <apw> jsalisbury | 22:29:18> Linux salisbury 3.4.0-1-generic #3 SMP Wed May 2 19:09:18 UTC
[07:37] <smb> apw, I thought you were referring to him. (smart assh... comment to check for additional u's)
[07:38] <reisei> ppisati: ping
[07:39] <ppisati> reisei: pong
[07:39] <apw> ppisati, bounce
[07:40] <smb> smash?
[07:40] <reisei> ppisati: can you look at this log http://pastebin.com/fLM84Y2G and tell me what's wrong and how to fix it? :) agreen is away everytime, so he can't point me to the solution...
[07:41] <ppisati> reisei: i guess is a linaro kernel
[07:42] <reisei> ppisati: yep
[07:42] <ppisati> reisei: btw, it's panicing on the shutdown, nut much we can do
[07:42] <ppisati> reisei: btw, we do you use the linaro kernel instead of the ubuntu one?
[07:42] <ppisati> *why
[07:43] <reisei> ppisati: because I use specific board. Developer use linaro, so should I.
[07:45] <ppisati> reisei: than i'm sorry, can't help you
[07:45] <ppisati> reisei: which kerne are you running?
[07:45] <ppisati> reisei: i mean, version?
[07:47] <reisei> ppisati: 3.1.5
[07:47] <ppisati> reisei: why don't you try with 3.3.?
[07:50] <reisei> ppisati: I can compare... but have to port board file whatever
[07:52] <ppisati> reisei: did you try without the omapdrm module? or you need it?
[07:53] <reisei> ppisati: 3.1.5 is stable enough, but there is this annoying halt issue
[07:53] <reisei> ppisati: I need it.
[08:31] <apw> mjg59, are you aware of the discussions about the 'ACPI / Battery: Update information on info notification and resume' patches ?  causeing flickering of battery icons and the like ?
[08:34]  * smb tries a reboot...
[08:45]  * cking gives his AP a kick
[09:23] <apw> cking, you are having a world of networking woes
[09:24] <cking> am i?
[09:36] <dileks> apw: hi. jordi just started to rework his overlayfs testcase-script
[09:36] <dileks> http://livenet.selfip.com/ftp/debian/overlayfs/test/test06-v3.sh
[09:36] <apw> heh cool
[09:37] <dileks> are you creating daily isos? with kernel from Q?
[09:47] <apw> dileks, erm, we don't normally before A1 but i haven't checked we may have not stopped
[09:48] <dileks> I wanted to test a "remastered" iso - before answering your email
[09:48] <apw> dileks, its not an easy game changing the kernel in the iso ...
[09:49] <dileks> as this is why I primarily need/want overlayfs
[09:49] <dileks> hmm, lets see. if it fails I will test with live-build
[09:57] <dileks> no chroot package
[09:57] <dileks> whats an alternative?
[09:58] <dileks> fakechroot?
[10:01]  * ppisati -> goes for a kebab takeaway, brb
[10:05]  * dileks cant find desktop/alternate amd64 images
[10:05] <dileks> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/precise/release/
[10:06] <apw> dileks, dchroot/schroot ?
[10:06] <xnox> dileks: http://releases.ubuntu.com/precise/
[10:07] <dileks> schroot means for me... check man-page, do more testing etc.
[10:07] <dileks> yeah, found <http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.04/>
[10:07]  * xnox cdimages is unmirrored / rare / daily images (?!) and releases is for widely mirrored images.
[10:09] <dileks> ogasawara gave me that link <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization>
[10:09] <dileks> but it misses in prereq chroot (alternative)
[10:10] <dileks> somewhere I should have a script where I worked on sidux + e17
[10:18] <apw> ppisati, when we going to get a ti-omap4 for Q
[10:18] <apw> (and indeed are we)
[10:20] <dileks> http://img.flashtux.org/img13303b71dc4ex575db078.png
[12:09] <akgraner> bjf,  when you get 2 mins can you ping me - need to ask you about your pandaboard
[12:38]  * apw has to run and drop off some keys
[12:41]  * smb has a slight deja vu
[12:41] <tgardner> smb, your water pipe has burst out of the wall again ?
[12:42] <mjg59> apw: Yeah
[12:42] <smb> tgardner, not that bad. Just apw running around for keys
[12:46] <mjg59> apw: Power unit rather than capacity granularity
[13:15] <ogasawara> apw: can you try running our devel-config-summary script for Q?  I'm wondering if you see similar oddities, eg the Dangerous section looks inaccurate (way too large and menacing)
[13:27] <apw> mjg59, ahh .. ok
[13:27] <apw> ogasawara, sure ...
[13:27] <apw> ogasawara, it always needs tweeking
[13:28] <herton> tgardner, I did a startnewrelease on lucid today, but didn't found CVE-2012-2133 fix applied on master-next, probably you forgot to push? (I checked to see if I had an up to date master-next)
[13:28] <ubot2> herton: ** RESERVED ** This candidate has been reserved by an organization or individual that will use it when announcing a new security problem.  When the candidate has been publicized, the details for this candidate will be provided. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2012-2133)
[13:28] <apw> smb, there is always someone wanting them
[13:29]  * cking --> late lunch
[13:29] <tgardner> herton, repull, its there.
[13:31] <tgardner> herton, I pushed right after you
[13:31] <herton> tgardner, ah ok, yep it's there
[13:33] <tgardner> jsalisbury, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/658955/comments/11
[13:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 658955 in linux "Natty fails to boot on Gigabyte GA-MA78GPM-UD2H" [Undecided,In progress]
[13:37] <bjf> akgraner: moin
[13:38] <akgraner> bjf, yep - I "borrowed" it from Pete - before I knew it belonged to you - is it ok if I use it during UDS then give it back to you then?
[13:39] <bjf> akgraner: sure
[13:39] <bjf> akgraner: i was not using it at all, so have fun with it
[13:40] <akgraner> bjf - thanks a million - I needed an older one  - it will be running one of the summit displays at UDS :-)  thanks for your contribution to the cause.
[13:40] <akgraner> but I'll package it all back up nice and neat for you on Friday
[13:48] <apw> mjg59, ok updated patch which (i have even compile tested) on the thread
[13:51] <apw> ogasawara, ok config is dumping core ... joy
[14:19] <dileks> hi
[14:19] <dileks> still working on re-packing precise AMD64 iso
[14:19] <dileks> http://paste.ubuntu.com/964733/
[14:19] <dileks> a question to bind-mounts
[14:20] <dileks> sudo mount --bind /run $CUSTOM_DIR/run
[14:20] <dileks> that should cover /run /run/shm and /run/lock
[14:20] <dileks> sudo mount --bind /dev $CUSTOM_DIR/dev
[14:20] <dileks> sudo mount --bind /dev/pts $CUSTOM_DIR/dev/pts
[14:20] <dileks> isnt 1st line enough?
[14:20] <jsalisbury> tgardner, I'll help bisect that one
[14:21] <apw> dileks, i'd expect the bind mount to only bind each filesystem, so pts is another mount and needs binding separatly
[14:22] <dileks> hmm
[14:22] <dileks> and for the /run/* stuff the same?
[14:26] <dileks> Do some bind-mounts before entering chroot-env: http://nopaste.snit.ch/137427
[14:26] <dileks> apw: should that look like this?
[14:26] <dileks> sth missing?
[14:26] <tgardner> jsalisbury, ack
[14:34]  * ogasawara back in 20
[14:53]  * henrix reboots...
[14:54] <dileks> wow
[14:54] <dileks> Parallel mksquashfs: Using 4 processors
[15:07] <apw> ogasawara, ok think i have this chased down.  try regenning with whats on the tip of master-next now
[15:08] <ogasawara> apw: ack
[15:14]  * tgardner bisects for an nVidia freeze in precise
[15:15] <apw> tgardner, gah, new ?
[15:16] <tgardner> apw, am checking out Oneiric, but I think its a new nouveau bug
[15:16]  * cking upgrades a netbook and wishes the HDD was much faster
[15:16] <tgardner> apw, actually, it just wedged while installing oneiric
[15:16] <apw> wibble
[15:17] <tgardner> apw, back to natty
[15:30] <ogasawara> apw: cool, looks much better now
[16:06] <tgardner> gawd this is slow. why did Lucid have to sync after every apt file I/O ?
[16:07] <ogra_> to make sure there gets no dust collected under your heads
[16:59] <dileks> 358368 extents written (699 MB)
[16:59] <dileks> cool
[17:30] <htorque> hope it's okay to ask in here: why is the kernel debug package (-dbgsym) a 650 mb download, when in debian it's just 250 mb?
[17:46] <dileks> htorque: IIRC waldi switched to xz for compressing which reduced -dbg packages immensly. dunno what ubuntu-kernel uses.
[17:48] <htorque> dileks: yeah, that would make sense i guess. they also differ in on-disk size, though 2.2 gb vs. 1.8 gb. (not that i expect them to be exactly the same, of course.)
[18:35] <jsalisbury> This looks like the first real quantal kernel bug, bug 994104
[18:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 994104 in linux "Wireless performance issues on kernel 3.4.0-1-generic (iwlwifi)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/994104
[18:41] <dileks> IIRC net (with wireless pull) was not pulled into upstream. IIRC 3 pending iwlwifi fixes
[18:42] <dileks> wow huh and a very fresh one
[18:42] <dileks> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/linville/wireless.git;a=summary
[18:44] <tgardner> jsalisbury, I just happen to have one of those
[18:45] <jsalisbury> tgardner, great
[18:45] <dileks> remaster ubuntu instructions: http://paste.ubuntu.com/965230/
[18:46] <dileks> apw: yupp, a linux-image replacement is not that easy, but I will check tomorrow
[18:47] <smoser> anyone know what kernel options i need to add to make kms never switch modes ?  ie "old school vga"
[18:50] <herton> smoser, nomodeset I think is what you want
[18:52] <smoser> herton, thank you.  i swear at one point in the past i had to even blacklist some kernel modules, but.... thanks.
[18:59] <dileks> smoser: debian was using a while a /etc/modprobe.d/radeon-kms.conf
[18:59] <dileks> options radeon modeset=1
[19:20] <tgardner> jsalisbury, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/994104/comments/7
[19:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 994104 in linux "Wireless performance issues on kernel 3.4.0-1-generic (iwlwifi)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[19:23] <jsalisbury> tgardner, thanks.  Yeah, these wireless bugs have so many variables that come into play.
[19:23] <tgardner> jsalisbury, at least its not systemic.
[19:24] <jsalisbury> tgardner, yeah
[19:27] <dileks> after deinstalling (live-boot and) live-boot-initramfs-tools, I can boot my own 3.4-rc5 kernels
[19:28] <dileks> whats live-boot-initramfs-tools modifying on kernel-installation?
[19:29] <dileks> fs-problems and swap cant be mounted (ignore - modify - manual repair)
[19:29] <ogra_> ubuntu doesnt use live-boot anywhere ... but i would assume it does similar things casper does
[19:30] <ogra_> (mounting a squashfs image into an overlayfs or aufs mount to achieve a writable rootfs from an iso)
[19:33] <dileks> ogra_: it seems to have some kernel hook-scripts
[19:33] <dileks> I see that when doing dpkg -i $linux-image-file
[19:33] <ogra_> well, it surely havily modifies the initrd like casper does
[19:33] <dileks> thats breaking my kernels build with make deb-pkg
[19:34] <ogra_> right, why do you install a tool to boot live isos in your build env ?
[19:35] <dileks> I wanted to create an own live-system and was experimenting on my host
[19:35] <ogra_> well, dont do that :)
[19:35] <ogra_> roll your live images iside a chroot
[19:35] <ogra_> *inside
[19:35] <dileks> yupp, know I am wiser
[19:36] <dileks> today I experimented with re-packing a precise-iso
[19:37] <dileks> so refreshing chroot skillz was one lesson
[19:37] <dileks> ogra_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/965367/
[19:39] <ogra_> looks fine on first sight
[19:41] <dileks> but the goal was to include a selfmade linux-image or one from mainline
[19:41] <dileks> I guess I have to hack that *.lz file
[19:42] <tgardner> apw, can't seem to get this nVidia hang to repro after all this futzing about.
[19:47] <cking> tgardner, sounds like a typical hardware enablement scenario - use lots of time up getting no-where :-/
[19:47] <tgardner> cking, indeed
[19:48] <tgardner> should've stuck with the original scenario
[19:49] <cking> you never know what's best until you've tried out a few things though
[19:51] <cking> bother, just imapfiltered all my uds-announce messages to /dev/null
[19:59]  * tgardner -> EOD
[20:13]  * cking --> EOD


[03:30] <guiverc> Bashing-om, you likely know this, but "&&&503 Service Unavailable << 19:20 My Sunday - Will try again tomorrow; see then if page is updated. "   FYI:  I've been getting loads of 50x errors on Ubuntu servers a week+ lately
[03:32] <guiverc> that was all I saw Bashing-om
[03:43] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Yeah on our servers - I assume IS is working on them - since that ^ 503 the page is up but not populated last I looked - I look again tomorrow and pull my 503 notice.
[04:07] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Speaking of IS - Will also see tomorrow if I can now authenticate from ubuntu.com to my Google E-mail :(
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[19:16] <Bashing-om> UWN: Pulling "WIP" and updating the Meetings section - time to push 20:00 UTC.
[20:11] <Bashing-om> UWN: ubuntu-news@lists >> Authentication failed: 535-5.7.8 Username and Password not accepted. -- I leave it to guiverc to post to the M/L when he comes in. Doing the Forum post next.
[20:24] <Bashing-om> UWN: Forum post done - redirexts next.
[20:39] <Bashing-om> UWN: Re-directs done, Pending is posting to the M/L - ubuntu-news@lists - and release to the Social Medias :D
[23:06] <guiverc> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2022/06/20/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-740/
[23:07] <guiverc> tweeted 740 & posted to telegram
[23:10] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I am unable to post to ubuntu-news@lists - can you take care of that once again ?
[23:11] <Unit193> Links still passing.
[23:11] <guiverc> explains why I didn't see it in my inbox... (I noticed your published via https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter)... will do Bashing-om
[23:14] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Thanks - you doing that M/L post via your Google E-mail account ?
[23:14] <Bashing-om> Fridge: Spot check and all looks good.
[23:14] <guiverc> give it a couple mins & you with luck will receive it Bashing-om ... grrr.. awaiting moderator approval... will need a few mins again for me to fix that
[23:17] <Bashing-om> guiverc: If your posting is through Google E-Mail - I need to put in some effort to see what it will take to remove my current ubuntu.com account .. and do a redo to allow Google to make that M/L posting.
[23:27] <guiverc> i did send from guiverc@gmail & it should be going thru.. I can see only<EMAIL_ADDRESS>in the approved list for you.. ; but I see both ubuntu, iinet & gmail for me & still had to approve my post... (hopefully next week it'll be right)
[23:29] <guiverc> Bashing-om, i have mulitple listed; why don't you?  (maybe the multiple is why I need to moderate though; I suspect not..)
[23:31] <guiverc> & thanks for fridge spot check..
[23:33] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Hokay - as to M/L - I still have to beat my head againt the wall and find an alternative to permit my<EMAIL_ADDRESS>account on Google :( // Currently I have sylpheed for my Email client --- and Google will not now authticate with a password. Google now insist on 2FA and I have no cell phone to make that 2fa possible.
[23:34] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Claer now to do away with Gdoc's 740 evidence ?
[23:34] <guiverc> :(   though I do :)  at the idea of no-cell phone!
[23:34] <guiverc> yep scrub away
[23:37] <guiverc> I can't help sorry with gmail/ubuntu issue ..  i've not really used mine thus never explored issues
[23:48] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I keep beating on it - I know there is a way as Google tells me when I try, that the<EMAIL_ADDRESS>already exist, Will not allow me then to make up that secondary account directly under Google E-mail.
[23:48] <guiverc> uwn 740 posted to fb (finally)
[23:51] <Bashing-om> ^ \o/ --- And we do UWN741 :D