[08:49] <jasoncohen> outpost
[08:49] <TerminX> outpost sucks
[08:49] <jasoncohen> outpost has great deals
[08:49] <TerminX> never buy there
[08:49] <ubuntu> hello to all
[08:49] <h08817> pricewatch?
[08:49] <jasoncohen> they always have good rebates and i've always gotten great service
[08:49] <pavka> Hi all
[08:49] <qt2> tritium, how?
[08:49] <h08817> where?
[08:49] <jasoncohen> they mail same day
[08:49] <ompaul> all us locations are no use to some people
[08:49] <hacked`> guys, im reading an INSTALL and it says to create file in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ called ifcfg-eth2, but there is no such directory in ubuntu
[08:50] <ivan_qk> Dr_Willis is not for me, it is for a friend,
[08:50] <ubuntu> one question
[08:50] <jasoncohen> h08817, where do you live?
[08:50] <Sputn1k> how can i startd gdm???
[08:50] <h08817> US
[08:50] <TerminX> jasoncohen: I ordered something they listed as in stock, they kept me on backorder for 2 months then canceled it without asking me
[08:50] <ompaul> hacked`, what are you trying to install?
[08:50] <h08817> TerminX: so who do u buy from?
[08:50] <hacked`> my wifi driver
[08:50] <TerminX> newegg or monarchcomputer typically
[08:50] <hacked`> ompaul my wifi driver
[08:50] <jasoncohen> h08817, look at the seagate drives on outpost. there are many great deals with $40 and $50 mail in rebates that'll allow you to get a 160 GB HD for $50 or a 200 GB for $70!
[08:50] <h08817> ok
[08:50] <ompaul> hacked`,  is there a driver for Debian?
[08:50] <jasoncohen> TerminX, i've ordered a lot from then- never had a problem
[08:50] <h08817> TerminX: what is a good type of drive maxtor?
[08:51] <poningru> hacked`: if its a win driver then it wont install on here
[08:51] <poningru> err on ubuntu
[08:51] <TerminX> they have a less than 5 out of 10 rating for the past 6 months on resellerratings, jasoncohen
[08:51] <TerminX> they're shit
[08:51] <hacked`> its the ipw2100 driver
[08:51] <TerminX> you got lucky
[08:51] <DanielHolth> Hi anyone here using ppp over bluetooth on Ubuntu?
[08:51] <h08817> then use?
[08:51] <tritium> qt2, I'm looking for the setting where you can choose whether the volume controls affect the master vs. PCM
[08:51] <TerminX> h08817: I prefer WD, but they're all about the same in terms of reliability and speed these days
[08:51] <jasoncohen> h08817, lol- i would go with seagate. they have the highest rating for drive reliability that i've seen. maxtor has had some issues
[08:51] <hacked`> ompaul, i just compiled it and stuff and its loaded, i just have to put stuff like DEVICE=eth2  ONBOOT=yes  BOOTPROTO=dhcp  TYPE=Wireless in a file
[08:51] <pavka> can anyone help me? I need use as default compiler gcc-3.4 but not gcc-3.3 How I can change it? in alternatives i cant find it.
[08:51] <jasoncohen> h08817, but it's personal choice. WD caviar are good as well
[08:51] <h08817> ok thanks later
[08:51] <TerminX> seagates are okay.. longer warranty but not as fast, heh
[08:52] <TerminX> that guy was kind of an ass
[08:52] <tritium> qt2, do you run the volume applet?
[08:52] <jasoncohen> TerminX, what guy?
[08:52] <jasoncohen> h08817?
[08:52] <TerminX> yes
[08:52] <jasoncohen> btw, a 160 GB drive won't even work on his hardware
[08:52] <jasoncohen> he'll need a new IDE controller
[08:52] <tritium> TerminX, please be mindful of the code of conduct, and try not to say anything too insulting
[08:52] <TerminX> he has PCI slots doesn't he?
[08:53] <ab> t
[08:53] <jasoncohen> yeah, so he'll need a new IDE controller
[08:53] <jasoncohen> probably should just get a new PC if it's that old- has to be 10 years +
[08:53] <quique> #ubuntu-es
[08:53] <tritium> qt2, you can select with the volume control applet which device and track to control
[08:53] <TerminX> tritium: saying someone is an ass is probably as far as I'd go in this channel, don't worry about it ;p
[08:53] <ubuntu> can anyone tellme how can i install from a live cd the Ubuntu on hard drive
[08:53] <tritium> TerminX, thanks
[08:54] <frank_> ubuntu you need the install cd
[08:54] <ubuntu> but the cd dont have a install option only boot
[08:54] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu,  cant be done at this time.
[08:54] <ompaul> hacked`, still trying to find some docs online - I know I am close to the one you need
[08:54] <ubuntu> to linux
[08:54] <HappyFool> pavka: try specifying the compile command as gcc-3.4; i think 'make CC=gcc-3.4' might work, for instance
[08:54] <djp> hi all. is the only answer to the unexpected end of stream error between songs when playing streaming radio through rhythmbox, the installation of xmms?
[08:54] <pavka> HappyFool: I cannot specify it for future?
[08:55] <jasoncohen> do you actually need gcc-3.3? can't he just remove gcc-3.3. that'll ensure 3.4 is used
[08:55] <zAo^> otherwise try `CC=gcc-3.4 ; make
[08:55] <HappyFool> pavka: i don't know how; I'm just suggesting a solution
[08:55] <qt2> tritium, i have, the volume control applet uses the pcm of my alsa mixer.
[08:55] <pavka> HappyFool: for my problem is it good solution, but i think is it job for alternatives
[08:55] <soultaker> other question if a copy the live cd on a hard drive that installation will work ?.
[08:56] <qt2> tritium, however, the volume controls via the keyboard shorcuts still use master, which doesn't work at all with my sound card.
[08:56] <Dr_Willis> soultaker,  not likely.
[08:56] <poningru> soultaker: dude no
[08:56] <HappyFool> pavka: try jasoncohen's idea (remove gcc-3.3)
[08:56] <soultaker> thank you
[08:56] <pavka> HappyFool: :) tnx
[08:56] <tritium> qt2, really?  I don't get that behavior here.
[08:56] <poningru> soultaker: what you are saying is planned for the next release
[08:56] <soultaker> other question how can I install linux and Windows 98 on the same hard drive
[08:57] <poningru> soultaker: dual boot
[08:57] <soultaker> i just download this release and love it
[08:57] <poningru> do you already have win98 installed?
[08:57] <jasoncohen> removing gcc-3-3 will take out   build-essential g++ g++-3.3 gcc gcc-3.3 libstdc++5-3.3-dev
[08:57] <ateves> how can i copy a complete folder in the console?
[08:57] <soultaker> yes all reedy have window 98
[08:57] <mastaYoda> hi all
[08:57] <mastaYoda> I'm new to ubuntu and I have a small problem with breezy
[08:57] <ompaul> hacked`, have a look at this all the way to the bottom of the page http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-27705.html
[08:57] <djp> hi all. is the only answer to the unexpected end of stream error between songs when playing streaming radio through rhythmbox, the installation of xmms?
[08:58] <qt2> tritium, , do you use the master slider by default?
[08:58] <mastaYoda> There seems to be no mkfontdir which results in a broken xorg-x11
[08:58] <tritium> ateves, cp -R (or -r, or --recursive) .  "man cp" for more details.
[08:58] <poningru> soultaker: hold on let me get the link
[08:58] <jasoncohen> nevermind, you just need a gcc version installed
[08:58] <tritium> qt2, yes
[08:58] <soultaker> thank you ponigru
[08:58] <jasoncohen> pavka, sudo apt-get install gcc-3.4
[08:58] <q[merlyn] > Just tried PPC Live on my Al powerbook (2005 model), and got no keyboard or trackpad response.  Expected?
[08:58] <jasoncohen> pavka, sudo apt-get remove gcc-3.4
[08:58] <soultaker> thank you poningru
[08:59] <jasoncohen> pavka, and make sure you have build-essential
[08:59] <poningru> http://www.sysresccd.org/
[08:59] <poningru> soultaker: thats the link
[08:59] <tritium> qt2, you're right.  Even changing it to PCM doesn't work.
[08:59] <qt2> tritium, thats why you dont have the problem, the shortcut defaults to master, try setting your volume control to pcm, the volume control will use pcm, but the shortcuts will still use master.
[08:59] <poningru> use that to partition your hd
[08:59] <q[merlyn] > Makes it a bit hard to try anything. :)
[08:59] <tritium> qt2, yeah, just did
[08:59] <qt2> tritium, which is REALLY annoying.
[08:59] <soultaker> thank you poningru let me takea look
[08:59] <tritium> qt2, I wonder if there's a gconf setting anywhere...
[09:00] <qt2> tritium, looking right now.
[09:00] <mastaYoda> There is nobody who can help me?
[09:00] <Eric___> Hi all, looking for WIFI drivers and install tutorials...any help here?
[09:00] <djp> anyone know if there has been a fix for the unexpected end of stream problem when playing back ogg streams under rhythmbox?
[09:00] <q[merlyn] > No idea on the PPC Live?
[09:00] <pepsi> heh... and im looking for NDISWrapper info :)
[09:01] <wrtpeeps> hi, i was wondering if anyone was able to tell me why i get this error trying to make procps: http://pastebin.com/317224
[09:01] <jasoncohen> Eric___, have you searched the ubuntu wiki and google for your wireless card?
[09:01] <q[merlyn] > Anyplace else I should look or ask?
[09:01] <tritium> qt2, sorry about that
[09:01] <qt2> tritium, about what?
[09:01] <soultaker> well time to read
[09:01] <Sputn1k> how to kill gdm process?
[09:02] <tritium> qt2, telling you wrong
[09:02] <soultaker> thank for the help to all
[09:02] <qt2> Sputn1k, killall -9 gdm
[09:02] <mastaYoda> Sputn1k: killall gdm?
[09:02] <HappyFool> Sputn1k: try 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop'
[09:02] <qt2> tritium, no problem, you didnt know.
[09:02] <D1> how do I install fonts with gnome?
[09:02] <qt2> tritium, and i see no refrence to master anywhere in any of the 'binding' settings
[09:03] <Eric___> jason , no but I will now
[09:03] <Sputn1k> how to change local language?
[09:03] <tritium> qt2, yeah, I poked around in gconf and in the keyboard shortcuts capplet too.  :(
[09:03] <wrtpeeps> anyone recognise that error?
[09:04] <Derreck> wrtpeeps, You need to install the ncurses devel package.
[09:05] <Sputn1k> how to change local language???
[09:05] <Derreck> wrtpeeps, libncurses5-dev
[09:05] <tritium> wrtpeeps, if you "apt-cache search ncurses | grep dev" you'll see it
[09:05] <wrtpeeps> ok, thanks
[09:05] <wrtpeeps> is that all?
[09:05] <djp> anyone know if there has been a fix for the unexpected end of stream problem when playing back ogg streams under rhythmbox?
[09:05] <qt2> tritium, take it you didnt find anything either?
[09:05] <tritium> qt2, nope, sorry
[09:06] <qt2> blah.
[09:06] <Sputn1k> were i can change local language???
[09:06] <tritium> Sputn1k, please quit repeating
[09:06] <Sputn1k> quit? Maybie stop?
[09:06] <Derreck> wrtpeeps, should be.
[09:07] <wrtpeeps> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[09:07] <wrtpeeps>   conky: Depends: x-window-system but it is not going to be installed
[09:07] <tritium> Sputn1k, same thing
[09:07] <Sputn1k> so somebody give my an answer
[09:07] <wrtpeeps> when i try to apt-get x-window-system, i get another big list
[09:07] <wrtpeeps> if i try to get those, i get they need x-window-system
[09:07] <wrtpeeps> like a big circle that just keeps going round
[09:07] <tritium> Sputn1k, there are more considerate ways to ask for help than demanding
[09:08] <Sputn1k> give me example
[09:08] <q[merlyn] > ahh. I'm not the only person with the problem - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21742
[09:08] <drew3> Sputn1k,  Got to the control center And choose Regional
[09:08] <q[merlyn] > Should have read that before I wasted a DVD. :(
[09:08] <Sputn1k> where i can found "control center"
[09:08] <mumbles>  Gmail is temporarily unavailable. Cross your fingers and try again in a few minutes. We are sorry for the inconvenience.
[09:08] <mumbles> :(
[09:08] <Derreck> wrtpeeps, Sorry I don't know about that stuff.
[09:09] <HappyFool> wrtpeeps: conky is not an ubuntu-provided package, so you may be on your own trying to satisfy dependencies
[09:09] <wrtpeeps> thanks anyway :)
[09:09] <wrtpeeps> yea, ok thanks
[09:09] <jbm_> Hey, I just got an amd64 and installed hoary on it. But apparently cool'n'quiet doesn't seem to be supported. powernowd just says frequency scaling isn't supported. I've checked that c'n'q is enabled in the BIOS. Shouldn't it work?
[09:09] <drew3> Sputn1k, look for the control center in main Application Menus
[09:09] <ptlo> mumbles: works for me. you must've hit it in the wrong microsecond :)
[09:09] <mumbles> its saying that for about 5 minits now
[09:10] <ptlo> strange, i'm using it at this moment and it works normally for me
[09:10] <mumbles> must be the fact that i tried to download the messages uising evalution with the wrong settings
[09:10] <seren> hay
[09:11] <seren> can i connect to a another pc running linux (ubuntu) from this pc also running ubuntu
[09:11] <seren> ?
[09:11] <mumbles> any ideas what this is oging on about  bash: ./jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Text file busy
[09:11] <laughlin> yes use ssh
[09:11] <seren> ssh?
[09:11] <HappyFool> seren: how do you want to connect? what do you want to do?
[09:11] <seren> i want to use the ternimal
[09:11] <laughlin> "secure shell"
[09:11] <tritium> mumbles, you should build a .deb from the .bin, rather that installing it directly
[09:11] <laughlin> same thing
[09:12] <laughlin> type "ssh -l <username> <IP or Hostname>"
[09:12] <seren> k
[09:12] <laughlin> of remote computer
[09:12] <HappyFool> seren: if you want a remote terminal, laughlin's solution is probably what you want. you'll need to install the openssh-server package on the server machine
[09:12] <seren> i c
[09:13] <seren> thanksd
[09:14] <seren> thanks alot
[09:14] <seren> pz
[09:14] <laughlin> adios
[09:14] <MrGardenHoseMan> what's the comand to make a new directory?
[09:14] <q[merlyn] > mkdir
[09:14] <MrGardenHoseMan> and does ubuntu already come with java instaled?
[09:14] <MrGardenHoseMan> thx
[09:15] <hacked`> guys
[09:15] <hacked`> I've got my WLAN drivers installed and working. How do I automate the loading and configuring at boot?
[09:15] <gsuveg> re
[09:15] <gsuveg> anybody use php+sqlite on hoary ?
[09:16] <Fanskapet> hacked`, via ndiswrapper?
[09:16] <atlas95> how to installe web service on beagle?
[09:16] <gsuveg> Fatal error: Call to undefined function: sqlite_exec() in ... its not sound good
[09:16] <tritium> MrGardenHoseMan, no, thanks to Sun's licensing scheme.
[09:16] <tritium> !java
[09:16] <ubotu> java is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[09:16] <tritium> mumbles, ^^^
[09:16] <gsuveg> anybody have idea ?
[09:16] <Kyral> !flash
[09:16] <ubotu> rumour has it, flash is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:16] <Touru> Does anyone know how a key might randomly stop working? my m is suddenly not doing anything. (I'm pasting it in here)
[09:16] <hacked`> fanskapet, dont confuse me
[09:18] <MrGardenHoseMan> well that's just dandy
[09:18] <Fanskapet> hacked`, ehm well i don't
[09:18] <AlexBO> hello!I wanna use VMware to install windows 2k on my ubuntu (i hate it, but i need it for an old printer that is not supported).I put into the win 2k cd: when it makes the boot, it doesn't find any bootable cd and it trays to boot with the net.so i tried to put into a live cd of linux, and it works! how can it be? how can i make to install win 2k with vmware on linux?
[09:18] <Fanskapet> hacked` how did you install your wlan-drivers?
[09:18] <tritium> MrGardenHoseMan, did you see the wiki page howto I had ubotu show you?
[09:18] <hacked`> fnaskaet, with source files
[09:19] <hacked`> guys
[09:19] <Fanskapet> hacked` yes but with what? :)
[09:19] <hacked`> how can i run a shell script on boot up
[09:19] <Fanskapet> ndiswrapper?
[09:19] <Fanskapet> ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net ?
[09:19] <ioboss> somebody used cedega?
[09:19] <MrGardenHoseMan> looking at it right now
[09:19] <hacked`> fanskapet, i got them from ipw2100.sf.net
[09:19] <ioboss> query me
[09:19] <mpmc> !php
[09:19] <ubotu> mpmc: Are you smoking crack?
[09:19] <Big_O> ugh
[09:19] <Fanskapet> ahh got my ubuntu cd's from the shipit site today :P
[09:19] <mpmc> :s
[09:19] <hacked`> fanskapet, anyways how can i run a .sh script on boot up ?
[09:19] <hacked`> fanskapet, how many cds
[09:20] <tritium> Sputn1k, did you get it resolvd?
[09:20] <mpmc> !help
[09:20] <tritium> drew3, I assume the control center you were referring to is a KDE thing?
[09:21] <AlexBO> HALO?
[09:21] <Fanskapet> hacked`, sorry not used that driver.. i just ndiswrapper to load my drivers.. and just put it as a module
[09:21] <Fanskapet> hacked`, 30
[09:21] <Fanskapet> three of them is "mine" though
[09:21] <hacked`> fanskapet, 27 in the garbage ?
[09:21] <Fanskapet> the rest is for my buddies
[09:21] <hacked`> k
[09:21] <hacked`> fanskapet, anyways how can i run a .sh script on boot up ?
[09:21] <Sputn1k> tritium nop
[09:21] <MrGardenHoseMan> what's Ubuntu PPC?
[09:22] <HappyFool> hacked`: you can maybe add a call to the script in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[09:22] <Bubbling_Zombie> MrGardenHoseMan, ubuntu for macintosheseseses
[09:22] <MrGardenHoseMan> lol
[09:22] <tritium> MrGardenHoseMan, PowerPC
[09:22] <Touru> Where does X's keyboard configuration live? Not the stuff in system--> preferences, something more detailed.
[09:22] <thechitowncubs> I'm trying to get my xbox tunneling application started through a menu launcher but i can't get it to work, i can only get it to work if i launch it in the console, can you tell me what is wrong with this script... sudo killall -9 kaid
[09:22] <thechitowncubs> sleep 2
[09:22] <thechitowncubs> gnome-terminal -e "sudo kaid"
[09:22] <thechitowncubs> sleep 3
[09:22] <MrGardenHoseMan> they have those now...
[09:22] <thechitowncubs> javaws /opt/jkaiui/jKaiUI.jnlp
[09:23] <AndyR_> is there any way to do a slide show of jpegs in hoary like in xp?
[09:23] <HappyFool> Touru: at a guess, /etc/X11/xkb/
[09:23] <Big_O> /dev/sda2       /media/backup	vfat    iocharset=utf8,umask=000   0       0 << am i mounting this right to get read/write access on a fat32 partition?
[09:23] <djp> ok, for anyone with the same problem as myself, which will basically be anyone using rhythmbox to playback streaming ogg feeds, the problem is rhythmbox uses spider which it shouldn't. i gather this will be or has been fixed in the next/latest cvs release
[09:24] <Fanskapet> hacked` from what i can see you only need to put "ipw2100" in your /etc/modules
[09:24] <Fanskapet> but im not sure.
[09:24] <Touru> Ah, thanks, HappyFool.
[09:24] <mpmc> $this->$this->$this = $this;
[09:24] <tritium> mpmc, ?
[09:24] <mpmc> Gah!
[09:24] <mpmc> Please dont do that
[09:26] <La_PaRCa> Hello. In warty I could use Applications:/// in nautilus to edit the applications menu. How can I do the same in Hoary?
[09:27] <HappyFool> you can use the delightfully named 'smeg' to edit menus; i believe it's installable from the backports repository
[09:27] <ttyS0> hello :) i've just reinstalled ubuntu yesterday .i've installed gstreamer (+libid3tag +libmad) already but rhythmbox doesn't show any IDv* information. I remember that I was installing some 'debs' before & all was working properly but now I can't remember their 'names'....
[09:27] <Touru> Is there a way a key could get detatched from what it's supposed to do? I'm pretty sure my m isn't shorting out or anything, because if I press it during bootup, I get an m on the screen. But once Ubuntu is loaded, no more m unless I copy it.
[09:28] <Touru> (It's not in the X keyboard stuff, it seems)
[09:28] <Amaranth> HappyFool: Can you think of a better name? :)
[09:28] <La_PaRCa> HappyFool, nope, smeg is not in backports. Any other ideas?
[09:28] <Amaranth> smeg is in backports
[09:28] <Amaranth> i packaged it for backports myself
[09:28] <tritium> 3 cheers for Amaranth
[09:28] <hacked`> guys how can i run a .sh script on boot up ?
[09:29] <tritium> hacked`, look into using update-rc.d
[09:29] <La_PaRCa> Oh, thats right... I dont have backports enabled, just ubuntu-extras
[09:29] <Amaranth> tritium: You know I wrote the thing too, right? :)
[09:29] <HappyFool> Amaranth: amaranth's gnome menu editor = agme :P
[09:29] <tritium> Amaranth, of course I knew that :)
[09:29] <Amaranth> HappyFool: lame
[09:29] <Amaranth> If I'm going to change it has to be a somewhat random name like evince or metacity
[09:29] <tritium> That's why I cheered for you ;)
[09:30] <Amaranth> I thought you were cheering for the packaging. :)
[09:30] <ridejib> hello everyone
[09:30] <tritium> Well, all your work...
[09:30] <zAo^> lo
[09:30] <HappyFool> ttyS0: you've installed the packages mentioned on the RestrictedFormats page on the wiki?
[09:30] <HappyFool> !restricted
[09:30] <ubotu> methinks restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:30] <AndyR_> we should all cheer for Amaranth
[09:31] <ttyS0> HappyFool, of course
[09:31] <AndyR_> after 3
[09:31] <AndyR_> 1
[09:31] <AndyR_> 2
[09:31] <AndyR_> 3
[09:31] <ridejib> cheer for Amaranth , why?
[09:31] <Amaranth> forgot to do that :)
[09:31] <tritium> for giving us smeg
[09:31] <AndyR_> cheer
[09:31] <HappyFool> ttyS0: hmm. mine Just Works.
[09:31] <La_PaRCa> whats the sources.list line for hoary-backports?
[09:31] <Amaranth> tritium: that sounds so wrong
[09:31] <ridejib> ohhh. yes. smeg is a nice little util
[09:31] <tritium> heh
[09:32] <ridejib> huzzah, Amaranth!
[09:32] <La_PaRCa> smeg sounds kinda liek phlegm
[09:32] <ridejib> not really
[09:32] <Amaranth> It's nastier, actually.
[09:32] <La_PaRCa> anyway, whats the sources.list line for backports?
[09:33] <HappyFool> !backports
[09:33] <ubotu> backports is at http://backports.ubuntuforums.org. Backports are not advised for regular use, mainly because you might not be able to upgrade Ubuntu.
[09:33] <HappyFool> that's not the line -- read that page for more
[09:33] <Amaranth> grr, who put that crap in there?
[09:33] <HappyFool> which crap would that be?
[09:33] <djp> while, i've got the chance... thanks Amaranth! :)
[09:34] <Amaranth> ubotu: no, backports is at http://backports.ubuntuforums.org
[09:34] <ubotu> Amaranth: okay
[09:35] <Sionide> http://moon.google.com  <-- zoom right in on that
[09:35] <mpmc> ubotu: what is mpd
[09:35] <ubotu> I think you lost me on that one, mpmc
[09:35] <ridejib> Sionide: like cheese?
[09:35] <Sionide> mmm cheese :D
[09:35] <ridejib> lol
[09:36] <Amaranth> !info mpd
[09:36] <ubotu> mpd: (Music Player Daemon, the name says it all), section universe/sound, is optional. Version: 0.11.5-1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 93 kB, Installed size: 316 kB
[09:36] <Sionide> O_o
[09:36] <Sionide> wow
[09:36] <Sionide> useful bot
[09:36] <Sionide> !info Amarok
[09:36] <Amaranth> mpmc: why do you want a cli music player?
[09:36] <ubotu> amarok: (versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 2:1.2.3-1ubuntu4 (hoary), Packaged size: 4844 kB, Installed size: 11292 kB
[09:36] <HappyFool> cheeky, though
[09:36] <lqb> mipsel-linux-gcc is included in binutils packet, is it?
[09:36] <Sionide> woah
[09:36] <Sionide> nice...
[09:36] <Amaranth> Sionide: It takes packages names, not program names.
[09:37] <Amaranth> !info libgnome-menu breezy
[09:37] <mpmc> well.. I'm using a GUI for it
[09:37] <Amaranth> oops
[09:37] <Sionide> !info gnomebaker
[09:37] <ubotu> gnomebaker: (application for CD/DVD creation in the GNOME desktop), section universe/gnome, is optional. Version: 0.3-3 (hoary), Packaged size: 384 kB, Installed size: 1244 kB
[09:37] <Sionide> nice nice nice. very useful indeed
[09:37] <Amaranth> ok, take it to a pm please
[09:37] <Amaranth> mpmc: ?
[09:37] <Sionide> i'm finished
[09:37] <dave> is ubuntu any good?
[09:37] <mpmc> What lol
[09:37] <Amaranth> mpmc: why not just use rhythmbox or something?
[09:38] <Amaranth> dave: Great place to ask that question. :)
[09:38] <mpmc> strange thing.. Is.. It sound better
[09:38] <dave> i figured this place is better than #gentoo or #debian
[09:38] <klaym> dave: the best place: #linux
[09:38] <Amaranth> mpmc: that isn't really possible
[09:38] <ridejib> dave: i like it
[09:38] <La_PaRCa> um
[09:38] <dave> yes, but i dont want to start an omgdistro war, and would probably be banned from there or something.
[09:38] <La_PaRCa> apt-cache search phlegm doesnt find anything
[09:39] <HappyFool> smeg
[09:39] <Amaranth> mpmc: and you're making a lot of work for yourself for something that may or may not be all in your head :)
[09:39] <HappyFool> yeesh
[09:39] <dave> how about this question. do you have repositories seperate from debian?
[09:39] <Amaranth> HappyFool: found out what it is?
[09:39] <La_PaRCa> jaja
[09:39] <La_PaRCa> I know
[09:39] <HappyFool> Amaranth: i knew, thanks
[09:39] <Amaranth> dave: Yeah, we have all our own.
[09:39] <HappyFool> Amaranth: hence my constant sniping :P
[09:39] <Amaranth> HappyFool: It's a swear word.
[09:39] <dave> Amaranth: eh??
[09:39] <mpmc> lol.. I have Amarok.. But it doesn't support Gnome very well
[09:39] <Amaranth> dave: You can't use debian repositories in ubuntu.
[09:39] <dave> Amaranth: what do you mean by all?
[09:39] <arguhoh> anyone know how to fix this problem?   An installation step has failed... The failing step is: Load installer components from CD.
[09:40] <dave> you can't? interesting
[09:40] <Amaranth> mpmc: rhythmbox, muine, beep-media-player, etc
[09:40] <dave> does ubuntu have a lot of packages? is it all binaries?
[09:40] <mpmc> got those too...
[09:40] <Sionide> arguhoh, probably you'll need to re-burn it - try at a lower burn speed
[09:40] <Amaranth> arguhoh: I think your CD or CD-ROM drive is bad.
[09:40] <dave> do i get to use xorg? is it lightweight? can i choose not to install X?
[09:40] <klaym> dave: Ubuntu is the only distro you need. don't use other distros.
[09:40] <arguhoh> sionide: tried 4 times
[09:40] <La_PaRCa> Amaranth, does smeg have a menu entry?
[09:40] <mpmc> Theres, only one media player for me.. and it's windows only :@
[09:40] <Amaranth> dave: give me a second, i'll make the bot tell us
[09:40] <Sionide> arguhoh, in that case, re-download the iso file? check your md5 checksums to make sure you got the full file?
[09:40] <Amaranth> mpmc: iTunes is not that good
[09:40] <djp> La_PaRCa: yes it does
[09:41] <dave> klaym: that really doesnt answer any of my questions at all. but thanks
[09:41] <HappyFool> dave: packages.ubuntu.com will let you search the package list. There is a server install. Xorg is the default in the latest release
[09:41] <dave> lol
[09:41] <mpmc> Not Itunes.. thats Sh*t
[09:41] <Sionide> arguhoh, if that doens't work you probably got a knackered cd-rom drive, i'd say...
[09:41] <dave> ok. and is the community any good? :)
[09:41] <arguhoh> sionide: downloaded from the mirror site and torrent...md5 good, cdroms good
[09:41] <mpmc> Winamp :)
[09:41] <La_PaRCa> ooohhhh... purty.... much better than vim blah.desktop
[09:41] <Amaranth> mpmc: beep and xmms can use winamp 2 skins
[09:41] <mpmc> I know..
[09:41] <mpmc> I still dont like them :P
[09:41] <arguhoh> Sionide: I'll try it once more though
[09:41] <Amaranth> !dstats hoary
[09:42] <ubotu> Ubuntu Distro Stats on hoary... 16270 packages, 1437 maintainers, 31005 MB installed size, 9820 MB compressed size.
[09:42] <Amaranth> !dstats sarge
[09:42] <Amaranth> hrm
[09:42] <Sionide> arguhoh, can't think of anything else then.. sorry
[09:42] <Amaranth> it used to show debian too
[09:42] <arguhoh> Sionide: alright, thanks
[09:42] <Amaranth> dave: anyway, as you can see, ubuntu is not lacking anything as far as packages go
[09:42] <dave> can i compile my own kernel in ubuntu?
[09:43] <Amaranth> sure, but you won't need to
[09:43] <dave> but i want to.
[09:43] <mpmc> I used to tell myself, You would wait..
[09:43] <Amaranth> dave: Not many people here will be able to help you with it but you can do it.
[09:43] <eli> question for the brilliant ubuntu gods, is there a way to grab another partition and add it to the ext3 partition that ubuntu is based on?
[09:44] <dave> Amaranth: as i understand it, it is only copying the bzimage, yes?
[09:44] <gsuveg> anybody use php+sqlite ??
[09:44] <AlexBO> hello! I've just download xtraceroute and it says me this: "OpenGL not supported". how can i see if i've got it? and if i haven't it, how can i install it?
[09:44] <concept10> Anyone here using Breezy or Sid sources?
[09:44] <Amaranth> dave: If you don't know how to do it I wouldn't recommend it. You have to make an initrd and such too.
[09:44] <eli> !fglrx
[09:44] <ubotu> I heard fglrx is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:45] <eli> AlexBO go to the link ubotu gave
[09:45] <Amaranth> dave: 99% of ubuntu users have no need for a custom kernel
[09:45] <dave> no, i suppose not. i am a gentoo user and i am looking for something else
[09:45] <dave> is ubuntu right for me, or should i keep looking
[09:45] <AlexBO> eli: where is the link?
[09:45] <gsuveg> Dave ubuntu != gentoo ;)
[09:45] <Amaranth> dave: ubuntu is right for you if you want to quick screwing around with the computer and just use it
[09:46] <eli> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:46] <dave> no really? i thought it was exactly the same thing. rolleyes
[09:46] <concept10> dave, you can compile a kernel if you wish.
[09:46] <tritium> dave, but you can still build packages from source in ubuntu, if that's your cup of tea
[09:46] <zerboxx> When I look to see what updates are available, I see 2 mozilla-firefox updates, which it wont let me install, unless I do the smart upgrade through synaptic, should I do this?
[09:46] <dave> no, no source. thats why i am switching :)
[09:46] <Amaranth> dave: iirc make-kpkg handles everything for you there
[09:46] <dave> i still want a custom kernel though, just for kicks. so, sounds good
[09:46] <Amaranth> it even makes you a deb for the kernel
[09:46] <dave> it is 2.6 right?
[09:46] <tritium> yes, and make-kpkg is in the package named "kernel-package"
[09:47] <dave> i would be worried if it wasn't
[09:47] <Amaranth> but there might be issues, i haven't compiled a kernel since i was on debian and wanted 2.6.1
[09:47] <AlexBO> eli: where is the link?
[09:47] <Amaranth> 2.6.10
[09:47] <tritium> dave, there's a KernelHowto on thew wiki.  The User Documention URL listed in the topic links to it.
[09:47] <lqb> anyone can help me with cross compile?
[09:47] <tritium> s/thew/the
[09:47] <lqb> :S
[09:47] <concept10> Amaranth, I understand you want to discourage people from compiling kernels and such, I just say let them do it if they want to learn, there is truly no need for it, but some people just want to do it
[09:47] <dave> it's either ubuntu or debian. i can't decide!
[09:47] <eli> dave i cusomize a lot of things with ubuntu (except the kernel) and it works great. like Amaranth said it is very usable without the necessity of screwing around with it
[09:47] <HappyFool> !kernelhowto
[09:47] <ubotu> somebody said kernelhowto was "http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelHowto"
[09:48] <HappyFool> lqb: asked in #gcc ?
[09:48] <Amaranth> dave: ubuntu has releases that aren't 3 years apart
[09:48] <concept10> HappyFool, remove the quotation marks from that
[09:48] <Amaranth> dave: and rides the bleeding edge of xorg and gnome releases
[09:48] <lqb> HappyFool,  ok
[09:48] <eli> its 6 months apart :)
[09:48] <HappyFool> concept10: yessir
[09:48] <AlexBO> ubotu: eli said me this:  AlexBO go to the link ubotu gave. can you help me?
[09:48] <ubotu> I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about, AlexBO
[09:48] <dave> Amaranth: thats pretty good
[09:48] <dave> one last thing
[09:48] <HappyFool> AlexBO: he meant this:
[09:48] <eli> AlexBO https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:48] <HappyFool> !fglrx
[09:48] <ubotu> methinks fglrx is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:49] <zerboxx> When using synaptic to upgrade ubuntu, should I use default upgrade, or smart upgrade?
[09:49] <dave> the first time around, i completely missed the prompt for what kind of install i want
[09:49] <dave> ed
[09:49] <dave> where is it?
[09:49] <Amaranth> dave: breezy is going to have/has xorg 7.0 and gnome 2.12
[09:49] <eli> zerboxx smart upgrade
[09:49] <eli> its safer
[09:49] <AlexBO> HappyFool: eli: ubotu: thanks
[09:49] <Amaranth> what do you mean what kind of install?
[09:49] <dave> ex. server, / full
[09:49] <Amaranth> oh
[09:49] <eli> AlexBO =)
[09:49] <Amaranth> at the first script on the install cd where it just says to press enter
[09:50] <Amaranth> type 'server' and press enter
[09:50] <dave> oh.. why cant you pick it after that
[09:50] <dave> thats interesting. i think you should be able to pick right before it copies the files
[09:50] <concept10> Amaranth, where did you learn python.  Are you a comp sci student or self taught?
[09:50] <Amaranth> dave: not a GNOME fan?
[09:50] <dave> not in the least.
[09:50] <Amaranth> concept10: self taught, just starting college
[09:50] <Amaranth> dave: KDE?
[09:50] <eli> dave why not?
[09:50] <MrGardenHoseMan> apt-get can't find java-package
[09:50] <dave> i didnt enjoy it when i used it
[09:50] <eli> or ICEWM?
[09:50] <MrGardenHoseMan> is there an alternative?
[09:50] <dave> the theme manager crashed.
[09:51] <Amaranth> MrGardenHoseMan: is multiverse enabled?
[09:51] <MrGardenHoseMan> no idea
[09:51] <eli> !repositories
[09:51] <MrGardenHoseMan> how do i check
[09:51] <ubotu> it has been said that repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[09:51] <dave> one of those desktop managers sucks
[09:51] <mumbles> bugger it going to swich into windows and do some websutff in dreamweaver
[09:51] <dave> uses too much ram
[09:51] <tritium> MrGardenHoseMan, it's in multiverse
[09:51] <eli> MrGardenHoseMan follow the link ubotu gave
[09:51] <bwlang> MrGardenHoseMan: you need to build a java package from the sun .tgz file... google for make-jpkg (note jpkg not kpkg)
[09:51] <concept10> Amaranth, do you have recommendation for a good source of python tutorials?
[09:52] <MrGardenHoseMan> heh linux is a pain in the ass
[09:52] <tritium> concept10, dive into python, which is already installed for you
[09:52] <Amaranth> dave: i've got GNOME running with firefox, totem, xchat, muine, tomboy, and blam running and i'm only using 180MB
[09:52] <MrGardenHoseMan> thanks though
[09:52] <eli> bwlang? cant you get a non-free java sdk package from apt-get?
[09:52] <HappyFool> concept10: thinkcspy is good for beginner programmers
[09:52] <Amaranth> concept10: what he said, diveintopython is great
[09:52] <dave> Amaranth: interesting
[09:52] <dave> i am going to try KDE because i have never used it
[09:52] <Amaranth> dave: I'm on breezy though, dunno how much of a difference that is.
[09:53] <eli> KDE = nightmare
[09:53] <Amaranth> dave: You want to get a kubuntu CD then.
[09:53] <tritium> MrGardenHoseMan, actually, it's Sun's licensing that makes using java such a pain
[09:53] <Amaranth> dave: and join #kubuntu :)
[09:53] <HappyFool> concept10: http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/thinkCSpy/    --- imo diveintopython is for those who've done a bit of coding before
[09:53] <dave> cant i just emerge it?
[09:53] <eli> kubuntu still has a lot of kinks
[09:53] <dave> sorry, apt get
[09:53] <dave> heh
[09:53] <Amaranth> HappyFool: That's what I used, actually
[09:53] <tritium> MrGardenHoseMan, they don't allow us to provide pre-built packages
[09:53] <Riddell> eli: what kinks?
[09:53] <seth_k> eli, not with KDE 3.4.1, it's a dream
[09:53] <Amaranth> dave: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop works too
[09:53] <Riddell> seth_k: thanks :)
[09:53] <HappyFool> Amaranth: your opinion of it?
[09:53] <Amaranth> HappyFool: great stuff
[09:53] <seth_k> cheers Riddell, Kubuntu pwns ;)
[09:53] <eli> oh, a friend of mine tried the first version of kubuntu and went back to ubuntu is less than two hours
[09:53] <dave> can someone clarify
[09:54] <Amaranth> HappyFool: I'd been using PHP for 2 years when I read that but it still taught me a lot.
[09:54] <concept10> Amaranth, HappyFool thanks for the advice.
[09:54] <dave> why do you make the KDE and the GNOME version of ubuntu sound liek two different distributions
[09:54] <Amaranth> HappyFool: I didn't actually know the concepts or terminology behind what I was using before reading that.
[09:54] <HappyFool> Amaranth: cool
[09:54] <seth_k> eli, there were some pretty bad crash bugs with 3.4.0. In my experience it is now rock stable though
[09:54] <seth_k> dave, marketing :P
[09:54] <Amaranth> dave: They are.
[09:54] <tritium> dave, they are
[09:54] <dave> aren't they similar?
[09:54] <HappyFool> concept10: also, try #python on this server
[09:54] <eli> seth_k that is good to hear. i prefer gnome, but i like kde as well
[09:54] <eli> gnome is faster =)
[09:54] <Amaranth> dave: They share the same repositories.
[09:55] <dave> but similar otherwise?
[09:55] <seth_k> eli: kioslaves. No more needs to be said. :D
[09:55] <Amaranth> dave: But they are two seperate distrobutions.
[09:55] <eli> lol
[09:55] <eli> ok
[09:55] <dave> okay.. can i choose not to install gnome?
[09:55] <Amaranth> dave: server
[09:55] <dave> ok, ok. so no package selection?
[09:55] <Amaranth> nope
[09:55] <truz24> dave, its awesome too, server only takes like 250 megs on install
[09:55] <eli> there was an article about kde and gnome -> could be possible that kde and gnome merge =S
[09:55] <dave> interesting.
[09:55] <Amaranth> Too confusing for new users to have that in the installer.
[09:56] <Riddell> Amaranth: arguable, it's the same package archive
[09:56] <Amaranth> that's what the server option is for :)
[09:56] <tritium> and then install kubuntu-desktop after you choose the server install
[09:56] <dave> Amaranth: come on, you're kidding me
[09:56] <dave> Amaranth: you could have a seperate option for package options
[09:56] <dave> like slackware. that was fun
[09:56] <Amaranth> dave: If it was possible the installer would ask nothing more than your language. :)
[09:56] <dave> except slackware doesnt have a package system to speak of, last i checked
[09:56] <eli> slackware is still pretty good yes?
[09:56] <HappyFool> if you choose expert mode you might be able to do some tweaking. expert install mode looks quite fun.
[09:56] <Amaranth> dave: The end goal is making it so _anyone_ can do this stuff.
[09:57] <Sionide> eli, sounds good to me.
[09:57] <dave> Amaranth: i dont see why you couldn't have, in addition to a "server" option, one for selecting your packages
[09:57] <funkyHat> dave, you can install with no gnome
[09:57] <Sionide> i use apps from both, basically got most of the KDE libs because of that
[09:57] <dave> but yeah, ubuntu was pretty simple to install, it was done before i knew it
[09:57] <funkyHat> there's an option for 'server install' which has no X
[09:57] <Amaranth> dave: Not much of a difference to it though. server just installs a minimal system and you can do package selection from the terminal after the install. :)
[09:57] <eli> ubuntu and kubuntu = installing a program 30 sec with apt-get. with some sh install or such plan a free afternoon
[09:57] <dave> but the partitioning was a little confusing.. i dont think new users would enjoy that.. do you have an autopartitioner in there?
[09:57] <seth_k> indeed, Ubuntu installs so fast
[09:58] <dave> i am used to using plain fdisk and imo its a lot more intuitive
[09:58] <Sionide> 30 sec? more like 10...
[09:58] <eli> dave, there there is
[09:58] <Amaranth> dave: Yeah, you can just tell it to blow the existing partitions away and let the installer set it up for you.
[09:58] <eli> Sionide ... true :)
[09:58] <Amaranth> dave: It's really only a problem if you want to keep things.
[09:58] <mpmc> The install is soo simple.
[09:58] <eli> adios people
[09:58] <La_PaRCa> Ok, does anybody know how I can rip one of those cds that come with data and music? im having some trouble with that
[09:59] <dave> Amaranth: why?
[09:59] <dave> Amaranth: why wouldnt you be able to just make new partitions inside the unpartitioned space as if the other ones were not there
[09:59] <zerboxx> When I go to the firefox page, it's telling me about some ubuntu 1.06 mistake thing, if when I go to synaptic it has no further updates (using smart), do I have 1.06 even though it says its 1.04?
[09:59] <Amaranth> dave: Because we haven't figured out that whole artificial intellegence thing yet. :)
[09:59] <dave> what sort of partitions does ubuntu use, anyway?
[09:59] <dave> just root?
[09:59] <Amaranth> dave: What if there is no unpartitioned space?
[09:59] <mpmc> Zerboxx.. I had the same
[09:59] <dave> Amaranth: then you're in trouble
[09:59] <Amaranth> iirc it sets up /, /home, and swap
[09:59] <dave> Amaranth: but you know what i mean. it would work
[10:00] <HappyFool> i have just / and swap
[10:00] <HappyFool> i think that mine is a default install
[10:00] <Amaranth> HappyFool: Did you do the partitioning yourself?
[10:00] <HappyFool> Amaranth: um. possibly
[10:00] <Amaranth> HappyFool: Or did you tell the installer to do it all for you?
[10:00] <zerboxx> mpmc: So, any idea if it is 1.06 or nor?
[10:00] <Amaranth> If you told it to do it for you it makes /home separate.
[10:00] <HappyFool> Amaranth: no, i guess i must've -- i have windows and preserved my warty install
[10:01] <dave> you could put like, "use entire disk" , "use entire unpartitioned space", or "manual partition"
[10:01] <Amaranth> At least I think it does, I haven't wiped /home since warty so I always do a custom install. :)
[10:01] <dave> so if you were switching from another linux, you could delete all the linux partitions and select the second option
[10:01] <mpmc> zerboxx: you  have an older version. So, do I
[10:01] <dave> obviously the idea needs work but you get it
[10:01] <tritium> zerboxx, there is no 1.0.6 ubuntu package yet
[10:01] <|rockinnerd|> how do you move the main panel?
[10:02] <mpmc> nice username root__ :P
[10:02] <dave> ok. next time we see eachother it will be from an ubuntu desktop
[10:02] <dave> :)
[10:02] <dave> oh wait
[10:02] <dave> does ubuntu have rppppoe?
[10:02] <dave> i couldnt find it
[10:02] <Sionide> |rockinnerd|, pretty sure it's click and drag, but careful - mine mucked up after i moved it to the side of the screen before..
[10:02] <zerboxx> tritium: Ok, thanks
[10:03] <Amaranth> !info rpppoe
[10:03] <|rockinnerd|> Sionide, i did the same thing :)
[10:03] <Amaranth> hmm
[10:03] <Amaranth> !info pppoe
[10:03] <ubotu> pppoe: (PPP over Ethernet driver), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 3.5-4ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 64 kB, Installed size: 208 kB
[10:03] <MrGardenHoseMan> still says it can't find java-package, even though multiverse is enabled
[10:03] <Amaranth> that?
[10:03] <Amaranth> !info java-package
[10:03] <tritium> MrGardenHoseMan, did you update your package listing to that synaptic/apt knows about the new packages?
[10:03] <ubotu> java-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section multiverse/misc, is optional. Version: 0.23 (hoary), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 264 kB
[10:03] <mpmc> !info mpd
[10:03] <ubotu> mpd: (Music Player Daemon, the name says it all), section universe/sound, is optional. Version: 0.11.5-1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 93 kB, Installed size: 316 kB
[10:04] <Amaranth> ack
[10:04] <MrGardenHoseMan> yeah
[10:04] <mpmc> !info nuts
[10:04] <Amaranth> mpmc: If you're doing it for yourself please do it in a PM.
[10:04] <tritium> MrGardenHoseMan, are you using apt-get or synaptic?
[10:04] <mpmc> LOL
[10:04] <MrGardenHoseMan> by click on 'reload' right?
[10:04] <MrGardenHoseMan> apt-get
[10:04] <|rockinnerd|> Sionide, rt-click on the panel and select properties <== what i did
[10:04] <Amaranth> click on reload, yeah
[10:04] <|rockinnerd|> to fix it
[10:04] <mpmc> Doing what myself?
[10:04] <|rockinnerd|> EWW! PERV! lol
[10:04] <arguhoh> haha...the fix to my problem - remove ide cable..put the same one back in and now magically it can install
[10:04] <Amaranth> mpmc: getting info on a package for yourself
[10:05] <nebular> need some help with the quake2 package, my mouse is all over the place and the usual problem of gpm doesn't apply. my searches have come up with nothing. I'm running hoary
[10:05] <Amaranth> arguhoh: it was probably loose
[10:05] <tritium> he's just goofing around
[10:05] <gangalee> is there a script to install de-css?
[10:05] <mpmc> :s
[10:05] <mpmc> :-!
[10:05] <arguhoh> odd kind of loose.  I could boot the first part of the ubuntu CD and all of gentoo live
[10:05] <|rockinnerd|> gangalee, in multiverse i think
[10:05] <|rockinnerd|> it is in
[10:06] <tritium> No, it can't be provided even in multiverse.
[10:06] <tritium> !restricted
[10:06] <ubotu> restricted is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:06] <tritium> gangalee, see that URL above
[10:06] <|rockinnerd|>                                                                                ^^ there
[10:06] <|rockinnerd|> d'oh
[10:06] <Sionide> |rockinnerd|, yep i managed to get it fixed luckily, then added all the stuff back on
[10:06] <|rockinnerd|> same
[10:06] <gangalee> thx everybody!
[10:07] <Sionide> |rockinnerd|, that was the first time something really bad happened to my ubuntu :)
[10:07] <Sionide> byee! ;)
[10:07] <dave> can i get pppoe with my server install?
[10:08] <funkyHat> i wish ubuntu would fix their https certs
[10:08] <dave> yes? no?
[10:09] <tritium> dave, if it's not installed by default, you can certainly install it after
[10:09] <dave> how?
[10:09] <dave> that's all i need to know, then i can start finding things out for myself.
[10:09] <Hikaru79> How can I check my default runlevel is on startup?
[10:09] <Hikaru79> *what
[10:09] <tritium> dave, "sudo apt-get install pppoe", or through synaptic
[10:09] <dave> dont you need a network connection for that?
[10:10] <tritium> dave, if the pppoe .deb is not on the install CD, yes.
[10:10] <pdg> Hi everyone: is it common for NVidia acceleration to stop working every once in a while?
[10:10] <phlaegel> so what's broken in breezy? I'm playing with it, and so far I'm missing mkfontdir. Are there more problems beyond that?
[10:10] <dave> how do i know if its on the cd?
[10:10] <crimsun> pdg, no it's not common
[10:10] <YFie> Hey where can I bother someone with ubuntu questions?
[10:10] <dave> YFie: probably in this channel.
[10:10] <tritium> dave, that's a good question.  I'll check for you.
[10:10] <funkyHat> dave, it is on the CD
[10:10] <dave> ok, thanks
[10:11] <rooot___> where is the kubuntu repository?
[10:11] <Hikaru79> How can I check which runlevel my computer is set to start from on boot?
[10:11] <dave> is it easy to figure out?
[10:11] <tritium> thanks, funkyHat.  you rock
[10:11] <crimsun> rooot___, same place as the Ubuntu repository.
[10:11] <tritium> Hello crimsun.
[10:11] <crimsun> Hikaru79, it uses 2
[10:11] <crimsun> hi tr
[10:11] <Hikaru79> crimsun, thanks! +)
[10:11] <crimsun> tritium, rather.
[10:11] <Hikaru79> *=)
[10:11] <dave> i will try to do it without asking any more questions. farewell
[10:11] <dave> booting ubuntu now. time me!
[10:11] <funkyHat> otherwise people with pppoe modems wouldn't be able to get on the net regardless of whether they use server install or not
[10:12] <funkyHat> that would just be silly
[10:12] <YFie> Well, I was wondering how difficult it would be to install the actual ATI issued driver for my x800?
[10:12] <crimsun> YFie, wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:12] <mpmc> !info php
[10:12] <YFie> hey cheers man
[10:12] <root> hi
[10:12] <mpmc> !info php4
[10:13] <ubotu> php4: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.3.10-10ubuntu4 (hoary), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 24 kB
[10:13] <mak> is there a way to run a process and limit the amount of memory it uses? i have a process that i want to run, but would still like to use my computer
[10:13] <mpmc> yes.. It's called shutting down your PC and mine...
[10:13] <LinuxJones> hello
[10:13] <Hikaru79> If I don't use a dial-up modem (therefore, I don't use the ppp protocol), is it safe to remove the 'ppp' process from my default runlevel?
[10:13] <mpmc> lol
[10:14] <vG|Zaxor> I have one hard disk, with 2 partisions. I want to install linux on one partition withour erasing the other one. Is that possible?
[10:14] <mpmc> yes
[10:15] <ReEgZ> hello
[10:15] <mpmc> I'm off to play wow!
[10:15] <Ride> What
[10:15] <mpmc> Bye :-)
[10:15] <ReEgZ> need help with an installation of ubuntu linux
[10:15] <ReEgZ> please
[10:15] <Ride> s  the problem with wiki.ubuntu?
[10:15] <LinuxJones> ReEgZ, what's wrong ?
[10:16] <Hikaru79> vG|Zaxor, yes, it's very possible.
[10:16] <mak> ReEgZ, yes, you can install it on only one partition without harming the other
[10:16] <taz> is there a burning tool for dvd:s that can handle .img files?.. gnomebaker seems not too...
[10:16] <ReEgZ> errr, it installs however
[10:16] <YFie> Ehrm.. another quiick question, apt-get tells me that there is no such package as described in the wiki. So i thought I do an apt-get update and refresh the list from the net. but then I remembered that I did CD install so maybe it ain't got no net aware repos. How do I add that ? :) Wiki, right?
[10:16] <ReEgZ> when i logon ie: enter user name n password
[10:16] <ReEgZ> it freezes
[10:16] <ReEgZ> no response at all
[10:16] <Ride> Does anyone know of a GOOD samba tutorial since the ubuntu wiki doesn't work?
[10:16] <linukso> Hmm, maybe I am missing something, but ubuntus apache setup has changed... Userdir no longer works, but the symlink is in place. Any ideas anyone?
[10:16] <ReEgZ> my disk is partitioned into 3
[10:16] <mak> YFie, go to ubuntuguide
[10:17] <ReEgZ> windows xp one 1, linux on the other, n using the last one for swap
[10:17] <LinuxJones> ReEgZ, your running Hoary (the latest stable version) ?
[10:17] <ReEgZ> yes
[10:17] <ReEgZ> Version 5.04
[10:17] <eli> anyone here know how to use synergy?
[10:17] <tritium> crimsun, you've been rather busy lately, haven't you?
[10:18] <crimsun> tritium, yeppers
[10:18] <eli> !synergy
[10:18] <ubotu> eli: Bugger all, i dunno
[10:18] <eli> :(
[10:18] <taz> is there a burning tool for dvd:s that can handle .img files?.. gnomebaker seems not too...
[10:19] <atila> Hello; Can anyone help me ? I am stuck within E16 and can neither start any programs nor get back to gnome . . . please help . . .
[10:19] <Quest-Master> atila: you can't get back to Gnome?
[10:19] <arguhoh> fasjkdfhsadf....alright, so it got past the moving stuff from the CD once or whatever then it couldn't detect a hard drive - restart installer and now it hangs at the original problem again.  replacing IDE with a new one now
[10:19] <AlexBO> i've installed the nvidia driver and now the OpenGL works. but the fonts aren't clear and it's no so easy read. what can it be? anti-aliasing?
[10:19] <Quest-Master> atila: What is the error exactly?
[10:19] <atila> well; I do not know how to ...
[10:20] <LinuxJones> ReEgZ, so your system just locks up and you can't do anything with it other than power it down ?
[10:20] <atila> thanks for replying
[10:20] <atila> I am so desperate ...
[10:20] <ReEgZ> yep
[10:20] <atila> I installed and run E16
[10:20] <ReEgZ> no response at all
[10:20] <MrGardenHoseMan> alright, i've enabled all the reposotories, reloaded them and still apt-get can't find java-package
[10:20] <MrGardenHoseMan> what am i doing wrong
[10:20] <atila> and am in this flashy Enlightenment environment
[10:20] <Quest-Master> MrGardenHoseMan: sudo apt-cache search java
[10:20] <tritium> MrGardenHoseMan, can you please paste your /etc/apt/sources.list on pastebin?
[10:20] <Amaranth> MrGardenHoseMan: You are on hoary, right?
[10:20] <crimsun> MrGardenHoseMan, java-package is in multiverse. You need to ensure it's enabled.
[10:20] <LinuxJones> ReEgZ, yikes
[10:20] <ReEgZ> LinuxJones: tried using ext 3 n reiser
[10:20] <atila> but how do I stop it and get back to gnome ?
[10:20] <eli> MrGardenHoseMan : sudo apt-get update
[10:20] <Amaranth> atila: log out
[10:20] <LinuxJones> ReEgZ, that's not your problem
[10:20] <YFie> Uhm.. is there such a thing as mirrors for apt-get sources so that I can pull data from local mirrors?
[10:20] <atila> OK
[10:21] <Quest-Master> atila: Get to GDM, and choose Gnome for which desktop to log into
[10:21] <eli> then use synaptic to search for java
[10:21] <Quest-Master> atila: Yeah, log out
[10:21] <eli> oops
[10:21] <eli> not java
[10:21] <eli> yes java
[10:21] <eli> sorry
[10:21] <atila> thanks people ...
[10:21] <eli> waking up still
[10:21] <eli> sips coffee
[10:21] <atila> hope to thank you again in gnome :-)
[10:21] <atila> over and out
[10:21] <Quest-Master> AlexBO: Most likely anti-aliasing is the problem.. Check the properties in System (or is it Desktop Preferences?) -> Fonts and play with the options there
[10:22] <eli> AlexBO you still there?
[10:22] <AlexBO> eli: yes
[10:22] <eli> never mind Quest-Master was a step ahead of me
[10:22] <Quest-Master> hehe~
[10:22] <eli> =P
[10:22] <eli> anyone familiar with synergy
[10:23] <MrGardenHoseMan>  deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[10:23] <MrGardenHoseMan>  deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[10:23] <MrGardenHoseMan>  deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[10:23] <MrGardenHoseMan>  deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[10:23] <MrGardenHoseMan>  deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[10:23] <MrGardenHoseMan>  deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[10:23] <MrGardenHoseMan> yes i'm on ahoary
[10:23] <AlexBO> Quest-Master: how can i see if the anti-aliasing is active?
[10:23] <MrGardenHoseMan> apt-get update didn't do anything
[10:23] <LinuxJones> ReEgZ, instead of logging into the system hit ctrl+alt+F2 to get open a new terminal window. Type sudo (enter your user password) apt-get update && apt-get upgrade        You can get back to the gnome login screen by hitting ctrl+alt+F7. Then re-boot.
[10:23] <atila> sorry to bother again but ...
[10:23] <MrGardenHoseMan> and i'm posisitve multiverse is enabled
[10:23] <atila> I am in enlightenment again
[10:23] <tritium> MrGardenHoseMan, next time please paste on pastebin or in #flood.
[10:23] <Quest-Master> AlexBO: There should be options under the Fonts dialog..
[10:23] <eli> ah ha you need backports
[10:23] <atila> after logging out and in :-(
[10:23] <Quest-Master> atila: Did you select GNOME in GDM?
[10:23] <ReEgZ> LinuxJones: cool thnx
[10:23] <ReEgZ> ill try that
[10:23] <eli> MrGardenHoseMan : you need backports
[10:23] <MrGardenHoseMan> sorry
[10:23] <MrGardenHoseMan> will do
[10:23] <eli> !java
[10:23] <ubotu> rumour has it, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[10:24] <atila> how do I get to GDM ? (me noob)
[10:24] <YFie> ok, worked, cheers for the help, y'all!
[10:24] <Quest-Master> atila: You should get there when you logout..
[10:24] <AlexBO> Quest-Master: well...no
[10:24] <Quest-Master> AlexBO: ?
[10:24] <atila> oops sorry big time :-P
[10:24] <atila> thanks again
[10:24] <LinuxJones> ReEgZ, hopefully it's a bug that's been fixed in a recent update :)
[10:24] <atila> over
[10:24] <Quest-Master> atila: np.. hope it works
[10:24] <AlexBO> Quest-Master: i've the italian version, so there isn't written "anti-aliasing"
[10:24] <tritium> MrGardenHoseMan, multiverse is not listed above (only universe)
[10:25] <AlexBO> Quest-Master: are you sure there is the option here?
[10:25] <Quest-Master> AlexBO: It is somewhere there, you might have to snoop around a bit for it.
[10:25] <ReEgZ> well i really hope so
[10:25] <ReEgZ> we using mandrake at work
[10:25] <tritium> MrGardenHoseMan, you don't need backports, you need "multi" in addition to "uni" verse.
[10:25] <ReEgZ> and i've never worked on linux so gota learn fast
[10:25] <eli> Quest-Master is there a terminal command to set the anti-aliasing for nVidia cards? i use fglrx so i dont know
[10:25] <MrGardenHoseMan> yeah just noticed it don't understand why it's not there though
[10:26] <tritium> no worries
[10:26] <MrGardenHoseMan> i'm even looking at it right now and it's set
[10:26] <MrGardenHoseMan> gui wise anyways
[10:26] <Quest-Master> eli: No idea, I don't have an NVidia or ATi card so.. hmm..
[10:26] <LinuxJones> ReEgZ, If your using Mandrake (Mandrive at work I would recommend you use that at home.
[10:26] <AlexBO> Quest-Master: it's no the firs time i've this problem. i've already make all the possible combiantions there
[10:26] <Quest-Master> AlexBO: are you on AMD64?
[10:27] <AlexBO> Quest-Master: yes, why?
[10:27] <MrGardenHoseMan> anyone want to paste their sources.list?
[10:27] <MrGardenHoseMan> with multiverse
[10:27] <taz> i can do that
[10:27] <MrGardenHoseMan> thanks
[10:27] <tritium> taz, can you use #flood please?
[10:27] <taz> i changed to multiverse yesterday..
[10:27] <MrGardenHoseMan> already there
[10:27] <taz> ok...
[10:27] <Quest-Master> AlexBO: I have seen this problem before with AMDs.. let me see if I can find a solution, one minute
[10:28] <tritium> thanks, guys!
[10:28] <AlexBO> Quest-Master: THANKs!!! thank you so much
[10:28] <eli> wait.. MrGardenHoseMan you have amd?
[10:28] <ReEgZ> what are the differences between mandrake and ubuntu?
[10:28] <MrGardenHoseMan> intel
[10:28] <eli> oh, ok
[10:28] <ReEgZ> i thought the basic commands and usages stayed the same
[10:29] <qt2> ...i somehow managed to hose my sound... o.O;
[10:29] <atila> Hello again from GNOME :-)
[10:29] <atila> it worked and I just stopped to say thank you to all
[10:29] <eli> they do, but mandrake is kde based and uses rpm packages, while ubuntu is even better with synaptic for program installation
[10:29] <atila> this is why I love ubuntu ... the great community :-)
[10:29] <eli> and bleeding edge xorg and gnome
[10:29] <atila> thanks :-)
[10:30] <ReEgZ> greek to me mate.
[10:30] <eli> i tried mandrake twice... alway left it unsatisfied
[10:30] <ReEgZ> its all microsoft in my head
[10:30] <ReEgZ> but i keen to learn linux
[10:30] <eli> ubutnu ReEgZ is the best linux distro to learn on
[10:31] <Quest-Master> AlexBO: Are you able to get to a System Tools -> NVIDIA Settings dialog?
[10:31] <nebular> has anyone here got quake2 worknig on their system?
[10:31] <AlexBO> Quest-Master: let me see
[10:31] <tritium> ReEgZ, most of the command are in fact the same.  One main difference is the emphasis on using "sudo".
[10:31] <atila> nebular : me
[10:32] <Quest-Master> atila: It worked? Awesome. :D
[10:32] <taz> Question:  is there a burning tool for dvd:s that can handle .img files?.. gnomebaker seems not too...
[10:32] <AlexBO> Quest-Master: i've not any nvidia icons
[10:32] <ReEgZ> explain sudo to me plz
[10:32] <Quest-Master> AlexBO: Odd.. you have nvidia-glx and nvidia-settings installed?
[10:32] <atila> yep; Thanks Quest-Master :-) and thanks to the ubuntu community . . . I love you people
[10:32] <Quest-Master> atila: :)
[10:32] <tritium> ReEgZ, mind if I give you a URL to read first?  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[10:32] <AlexBO> Quest-Master: nvidia-glx yes, the second let me see
[10:32] <tritium> ReEgZ, if you have any questions after reading that, don't hesitate to ask.
[10:33] <nebular> atila: did you every have issues wit the mouse?
[10:33] <atila> nebular : Yes I did : first didn't work at all ...
[10:33] <AlexBO> Quest-Master: yes, but i can't run it
[10:33] <ReEgZ> yeah thatl be cool, il check it out thnx
[10:33] <AlexBO> Quest-Master: yes, i can!!!
[10:33] <firemax> bonjour
[10:34] <avebell> hiya everyone
[10:34] <atila> nebular : but even I did it 2 days ago cannot remember how ...
[10:34] <Quest-Master> AlexBO: So you can run it?
[10:34] <atila> nebula : thou it was easy even for me :-)
[10:34] <tritium> hello, firemax
[10:34] <firemax> hello tritium
[10:34] <nebular> atila: well currently I have sound and video working fine, but when I try and move the mouse, it will only move horizontally and very fast
[10:34] <nebular> atila: was that similar to your mouse issue?
[10:34] <Quest-Master> AlexBO: You have also run: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable -- right?
[10:35] <AlexBO> Quest-Master: ni
[10:35] <atila> nebular : Had exactly the same problem; has sth. to do with settings I guess
[10:35] <AlexBO> Quest-Master: no. have i to run that?
[10:35] <nebular> atila: you still have your config?
[10:35] <atila> nebular : guess I corrected it from in game options
[10:35] <atila> nebular : I do have it and I play too :-)
[10:35] <atila> nebular : wait a moment
[10:35] <Sputn1k> Hello, I was running Warty and ET ran fine. I upgraded to Hoary and I had problems. The problems that I had would be a black screen would come up and thats all that would happen. I could move that black screen around with moving my curser. Somebody know how to fix it??
[10:36] <qt2> ...is there any simple way to reset my sound to the way it was upon install?
[10:36] <AlexBO> Quest-Master: it said me that there are errated options in xorg.conf
[10:36] <AlexBO> can i send you the answer in pv?
[10:37] <Quest-Master> AlexBO: Which answer?
[10:38] <Sputn1k> damn, nobody knows...?
[10:38] <Quest-Master> Sputn1k: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:38] <AlexBO> Quest-Master: i have found the error. let me explain it (because i don't know how to resolve it)
[10:38] <Quest-Master> AlexBO: ok
[10:38] <atila> nebular ; I'll paste it on private ?
[10:38] <AlexBO> Quest-Master: can i write to you in pv?
[10:38] <Quest-Master> AlexBO: sure
[10:39] <eli> secretive people
[10:39] <eli> :)
[10:39] <nebular> atila: ok
[10:39] <atila> file coming :-)
[10:40] <LinuxJones> ReEgZ, the basic commands are the same but Mandrake is based in Redhat and Ubuntu is based on Debian. They are very similar but things are done slightly differently. Like where configuration files are located and different package managment systems (ie how to install software).
[10:41] <eli> no one know synergy?
[10:41] <eli> the pogram...
[10:41] <atila> eli : bump
[10:41] <ReEgZ> thnx for the help everyone. ill be back for more soon
[10:41] <ReEgZ> laterzz
[10:41] <LinuxJones> eli, there are some tutorials online
[10:41] <funkyHat> well that was bloody scary....
[10:41] <LinuxJones> ReEgZ, bye
[10:41] <atila> nebular : I am trying to send the file (?)
[10:42] <eli> i know, but the tutorials for the synergy site is not very clear
[10:42] <eli> looking for other howto's
[10:42] <funkyHat> i just played with nvidia-settings, and suddenly discovered that i couldn't see a thing
[10:42] <funkyHat> fortunately zapping X reset the settings
[10:43] <njs> i apologize if this has already been asked, but my friend is new to linux and he's having problems
[10:43] <njs> his ubuntu freezes when he logs in
[10:43] <eli> njs
[10:43] <eli> he has to remove .ICEauthority
[10:43] <eli> when the system freezes do the following
[10:43] <njs> eli: and where might this file be found? many thanks

[10:44] <eli> then you will be at a terminal
[10:44] <njs> yeah, he knows how to login and stuff
[10:44] <eli> its in $HOME
[10:44] <eli> do ls .ICEauthority
[10:44] <eli> if its there
[10:44] <eli> rm .ICEauthority
[10:44] <eli> then restart gdm
[10:44] <eli> and its hould work
[10:45] <trigg> eli, njs: don't mean to but in, but I had a similar problem in gentoo in the past - also had to remove some files in /tmp
[10:45] <nebular_> atila: you could email
[10:45] <MrGardenHoseMan> is 'WriteOut' in pico same as Save?
[10:45] <atila> nebular : OK
[10:45] <eli> trigg, always butt in =) if needed. the more help we give the better
[10:45] <atila> address ?
[10:45] <njs> just to clarify, it doesn't show any error message or anything, is that expected?
[10:45] <nebular_> atila<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:45] <njs> and yeah, butting in is cool ;)
[10:45] <eli> that sounds like .ICEauthority
[10:46] <njs> just gets to the Ubuntu brown and *bang* nothing
[10:46] <atila> nebular : Roger
[10:46] <njs> thanks a lot then
[10:46] <eli> try the .ICEauthority thing and see if works
[10:46] <airmikey> trying to compile a program but i get this   configure: error: Cannot find GTK: Is gtk-config in path?
[10:46] <njs> I'll tell him that
[10:46] <tritium> MrGardenHoseMan, yes
[10:46] <eli> ok, no problem
[10:46] <MrGardenHoseMan> thanks
[10:46] <dave> wooooo
[10:46] <dave> i have ubuntu now
[10:46] <qt2> is there any simple way to reset my sound to the way it was upon install?
[10:46] <nebular_> atila: lemme know when you've sent it
[10:46] <trigg> eli: no problem - njs:  yeah I had problem with permissions some files basically become inaccessibly by gnome-session
[10:47] <atila> nebular : I've sent it
[10:47] <trigg> njs: but I had to delete both the files in home directory and those in /tmp
[10:47] <trigg> njs: well, just the .ICE... files
[10:47] <eli> trigg : i had that once as well. what temp files did you remove? i just stopped <Control><c> my network config during boot and then the problem went away
[10:48] <atila> nebular : got it ?
[10:48] <eli> so dave, what do you think of ubuntu?
[10:48] <eli> first impressions
[10:48] <trigg> eli:  just the hidden .ICE and .X11 files
[10:49] <eli> .X11 files... i think that is what i missed
[10:49] <eli> i will look for it if that happens again
[10:49] <trigg> eli: don't suppose you know much about GRUB?
[10:50] <dbernar1> why
[10:50] <dave> how do i search packages?
[10:50] <eli> trigg : i work with GRUB, but i have had no serious problems with it (other than on mandrake two years ago)
[10:50] <trigg> i have about a 2 minute delay between when I select my kernel and when it initializes
[10:50] <eli> reallly? that is strange
[10:51] <dbernar1> dave, do you use the synaptic package manager?
[10:51] <trigg> doesn't seem to happen on my laptop - nor did it happen with other distros
[10:51] <eli> reinstall the GRB
[10:51] <eli> GRUB
[10:51] <eli> that may help
[10:51] <dave> i dont know what synaptic is.
[10:51] <frank_> dave you can use synaptic
[10:51] <dbernar1> dave, System>Admin>Synaptic, check it out
[10:51] <dave> i just installed ubuntu server. the apt-get man page is not really telling me anything.
[10:51] <eli> dave do -> man apt-get
[10:51] <trigg> eli: will do - and my reinstall you mean re-run grub . . . right?
[10:51] <eli> oh
[10:51] <tritium> dave, if you prefer the command line, "apt-cache search <searchterm>"
[10:51] <atila> I am sorry but I cannot do that Dave (sorry I would die without this joke)
[10:51] <eli> !GRUB
[10:51] <dbernar1> dave
[10:51] <ubotu> grub is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto
[10:51] <eli> :)
[10:51] <HappyFool> dave: maybe the wiki will be more informative
[10:51] <HappyFool> !apt
[10:51] <ubotu> I heard apt is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/
[10:52] <HappyFool> !repositories
[10:52] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[10:52] <nebular_> atila: differences are minor and have nothing to do with the mouse
[10:52] <dbernar1> then, the command to search through your repos is apt-cache search package
[10:52] <atila> dave : on the system menu somewhere it is
[10:52] <dave> i can see install, remove, build dep, check, clean
[10:52] <atila> nebular : hmmmm . . .
[10:52] <dave> no search. does apt-get not come with that?
[10:52] <trigg> ubotu: thanks, I just thought there might be a specific bug with grub and the ubuntu kernel
[10:52] <ubotu> trigg: no worries
[10:52] <HappyFool> dave: try also 'sudo aptitude' -- text "gui" for apt. don't know if it comes with ther server install
[10:52] <atila> nebular : let me just start the game and come back here
[10:52] <tritium> dave "apt-cache search"
[10:52] <frank_> like dbernar1 said, apt-cache search <searchterm>
[10:52] <eli> trigg : that didnt help i realized
[10:53] <dave> cool
[10:53] <eli> one second i found something before about reinstalling grub
[10:53] <nebular__> atila: well i"ve narrowed it a bit.
[10:53] <trigg> eli: standing-by
[10:53] <eli> ok, brb
[10:53] <dbernar1> dave, did you add any repositories to your /etc/apt/sources.list?
[10:54] <nebular__> atila: I turned off windowed mouse and it moves ok until it leaves the window
[10:54] <Pudland> need help with 1st time install on Dell 2350
[10:54] <dave> not at all. i should probably read the stinking documentation.
[10:54] <frank_> anyone know how to figure out which ports are needed by an application. Is there a log of connections refused by the firewall for an application?
[10:54] <nebular__> atila: I suspect it could be my xorg configuration
[10:54] <dbernar1> Pudland: with what ?
[10:54] <dbernar1> dave, well, you could do that.
[10:54] <dbernar1> the repositories URL above from ubotu is a good plave, I think.
[10:54] <Pudland> dbernar1  it locks up at hotplug subsystem
[10:55] <dbernar1> dave, do you have a computer you can browse on? or perhaps know how to browse cl?
[10:55] <dave> i have whatever's on the livecd
[10:55] <dbernar1> plave^=place, a good read...
[10:55] <dave> which line am i uncommenting here?
[10:55] <dbernar1> dave, so, live cd, or server install??
[10:56] <qt2> blah, yep... completly screwed up my sound... :(
[10:56] <dave> server install, but i can get things from the CD.
[10:56] <dave> and in a minute i will be able to get stuff from repos. hopefully
[10:56] <dbernar1> dave: ya, you sound competent...
[10:56] <A[D] minS> hola ppl
[10:56] <dbernar1> hola
[10:56] <Pudland> dbernar1  it locks up at hotplug subsystem on boot up
[10:56] <atila> nebular : in game options I guess
[10:56] <A[D] minS> gaim: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3.4' not found (required by gaim) <-- i dono what i have to install
[10:57] <atila> nebular : did you disable joystick there ???
[10:57] <dbernar1> A[D] minS: why compile gaim?
[10:57] <dave> thats nice of you
[10:57] <nebular__> atila: disable joystick where?
[10:57] <frank_> anyone know how to figure out which ports are needed by an application. Is there a log of connections refused by the firewall for an application?
[10:57] <atila> press ESC in game
[10:57] <atila> select options
[10:57] <nebular__> atila: yeah I did
[10:57] <atila> there it is
[10:57] <dbernar1> Pudland: not sure, what did you install exactly, and how did you get the installation disc.
[10:57] <atila> and ?
[10:57] <nebular__> atila: same issue
[10:57] <atila> it had worked for me :-(
[10:57] <Pudland> iso from ubuntu website
[10:57] <dave> frank_: i dont know, but usually you can look it up for the specific program.
[10:57] <atila> argh ! wanna help someone !
[10:58] <trigg> eli: not a problem, I will keep tinkering
[10:58] <atila> brb
[10:58] <Hikaru79> How can I allow remote MySQL connections on a default Ubuntu mysql-server4.1 install?
[10:58] <mic_> hi my ftrst time here totom will not work
[10:58] <trigg> eli: i think it has some thing to do with the initrd
[10:58] <dbernar1> Pudland: ubuntu|kubuntu, hoary|whatelse?
[10:58] <Hikaru79> At the moment, it's only allowing localhost.
[10:58] <dbernar1> ||
[10:58] <frank_> Dave I know usually, I can find it that way but not always
[10:58] <Pudland> ubuntu hoary
[10:58] <eli> trigg : forget about reinstalling GRUB. it sounds evil
[10:58] <Pudland> default install
[10:59] <atila> nebular : I am back ... well I had almost the same problem but had somehow corrected it and it was so easy :-(
[10:59] <frank_> Dave I was used to firewalls in Windows which would pop up to tell me  a program wanted a connection
[10:59] <dbernar1> Pudland: I would love to say check the md5sum, but no clue what that means...
[10:59] <atila> may be too easy that I forgot the solution
[10:59] <dave> i am charlie sheen
[10:59] <dave> no, not really.
[10:59] <trigg> eli: haha! not as evil as lilo
[10:59] <Pudland> ok, thx db
[11:00] <dbernar1> dave, that sounds like a comment by someone at work in the chatroom, when they forget to lock their station...
[11:00] <dbernar1> you know what I mean?
[11:00] <eli> yeah lilo is worse, remembers the nightmarish problems with SuSE
[11:00] <Sputn1k> How to fix http://www.inferno.tinklapiai.lt/Screenshot.png
[11:00] <Sputn1k> ?
[11:00] <trigg> eli: I reran grub> root and setup commands, I'll see if that helped.
[11:00] <kyncani> frank_: if your program is listening, you can use lsof -i
[11:00] <trigg> exit
[11:00] <Sputn1k> i got it when i reconfigure xorg.conf
[11:00] <fjleon> hey guys, i am having trouble writting accents on openoffice on my spanish keyboard
[11:00] <dave> dbernar1: heh
[11:00] <fjleon> i can type them well in konqueror
[11:01] <fjleon> but i cant do it on openoffice or in the terminal
[11:01] <dave> so, i'm supposed to uncomment these lines for repositories.. and then.. ?
[11:01] <eli> ok, trigg tell me how it works out
[11:01] <eli> oh, hes gone
[11:01] <atila> Sputnik : Latvia ?
[11:01] <dave> how does apt-get know where to look for packages?
[11:01] <dbernar1> sudo aptitude update
[11:01] <Sputn1k> atila Lithuania
[11:01] <dbernar1> dont use apt-get
[11:02] <atila> Sputnik : my mistake :-)
[11:02] <tritium> dave, from the settings in /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:02] <HappyFool> dave: /etc/apt/sources.list tells it where
[11:02] <Sionide> dave, /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:02] <ateves> how can i add a command for an application to autostart?btw: what exactly IS autostart in linux?
[11:02] <Sputn1k> :)
[11:02] <ikmo> Does anyone know of a download manager for *nix please?
[11:02] <dave> ok, and if i understand correctly, i'm supposed to uncomment the first two lines?
[11:02] <Sputn1k> Who told my that i should reconfigure xorg.conf?
[11:02] <dbernar1> ikmo, asked synaptic?
[11:02] <frank_> ikmo d4x is one
[11:02] <eli> ateves you want to startup a program while gdm boots up?
[11:02] <ateves> eli: yes
[11:02] <Sionide> dave, http://ubuntuguide.org look for extra repositories on that
[11:02] <ikmo> dbernarl, I havent no ;) I'll check it
[11:02] <eli> go to system
[11:02] <ateves> yes
[11:02] <frank_> ikmo or there is a firefox extension which is pretty good
[11:03] <ikmo> frank_ , many thanks I'll check that too
[11:03] <dbernar1> im on debian right now, and the gnome on x is sooo buggy, I think, or my install was shitty...
[11:03] <HappyFool> good night
[11:03] <eli> preferences
[11:03] <ikmo> frank_ what's it called?
[11:03] <eli> sessions
[11:03] <dave> i don't have a web browser yet.
[11:03] <eli> third tab on right
[11:03] <tritium> dave, the ubuntuguide is not the best to follow.
[11:03] <weiers> Hi... could I ask some advice. I just downloaded the latest OOO2 Beta files because I find that the ones in Synaptic repositories are seriously broken. I need to now unzip and "alien" them into debs before I install. Please advise which would be the best directory to create. Do I unzip them into /home folder or into one of the /usr directories or where?
[11:03] <ateves> eli: aaaaah!
[11:03] <eli> startup programs
[11:03] <ateves> eli: thx
[11:03] <dave> tritium: so i hear
[11:03] <eli> :)
[11:03] <dbernar1> ikmo, you want a real one? check synaptic...
[11:03] <ateves> eli: so easy :)
[11:03] <frank_> ikmo: I don't rememeber ;-)
[11:03] <eli> yes yes, i had the same realization
[11:03] <ateves> hehe
[11:03] <dave> tritium: i can start doing stuff for myself as soon as i get a web browswer
[11:04] <tritium> dave, not a problem at all
[11:04] <_mike> weiesrs, if you have broken packages do apt-get install -f <package>
[11:04] <dbernar1> home is as good as anywhere...
[11:04] <Flynn_> Hi, is it advisible to download firefox from mozilla.org instead of installing it from the repositories?
[11:04] <dave> tritium: i would install a web browser but i do not know how to make apt-get ..go
[11:04] <crimsun> Flynn_, no it's not advisable to do that
[11:04] <tritium> dave, need help configuring apt?
[11:04] <dbernar1> dave, sudo aptitude update
[11:04] <dbernar1> uncomment main
[11:04] <dave> dbernar1: will do
[11:04] <ikmo> dbernarl, how do you mean "a real one" ?
[11:04] <dbernar1> comment out the cd.
[11:04] <eli> Flynn why do you need the newer version: you can get up to 1.0.4 on the backports
[11:04] <dave> oh ok
[11:04] <dave> it did a bunch of stuff
[11:04] <dbernar1> after, sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop is it?
[11:05] <dave> is aptitude an apt-get replacement?
[11:05] <_mike> anyone here experienced in installing custom kernels? im editing my grub config file now but i have a quick question
[11:05] <dbernar1> just a user front end.
[11:05] <tritium> dave, ppoe is in universe, so you'll need to uncomment those lines too
[11:05] <MarcC> do you guys have traceroute on your system?
[11:05] <dbernar1> dave, I dont know much, I just use it...
[11:05] <tritium> _mike, if you use kernel-package to build your custom kernels, it takes care of grub for you
[11:05] <eli> anyone know if breezy is stable yet?
[11:05] <dbernar1>  /topic...
[11:05] <weiers> _mike ... I don't think there is something wrong with the OOO2 in the repositories except that it acts very strangely (shuts down when I print, one moment it starts with a neat user interface, the next time it is some ancient monotype font etc.) I've been advised on the OOO mailing list that I should try to install a later version of the package I think it is 1.9.88
[11:05] <dbernar1> breezy is stable on 5/10
[11:06] <dave> what is the difference between universe and the "fetch updated software from the network"
[11:06] <tritium> dave, yes, aptitude is great, imho
[11:06] <ikmo> frank_ thanks, d4x looks good, downloading now :) the Ubuntu64 ISO in fact :P
[11:06] <dave> is universe like, unstables?
[11:06] <frank_> ikmo great!
[11:06] <Flynn_> Thanks, crimsun. Do you suggest upgrading firefox by just 'apt-get install mozilla-firefox' in the shell?
[11:06] <eli> thanks dbernarl
[11:06] <dbernar1> @tritium-imho...
[11:06] <dbernar1> bah
[11:06] <dbernar1> nice.
[11:06] <zerboxx> I find totem (default video player) is out of sync, any help on fixing this, or should I just get xine?
[11:06] <MarcC> is traceroute working for anybody?
[11:06] <crimsun> Flynn_, it's already installed if you installed Ubuntu.
[11:06] <tritium> dbernar1, ?
[11:07] <ikmo> frank_ how are you, anyway? :)
[11:07] <crimsun> Flynn_, if you installed Kubuntu, then yes, you will need to use aptitude/apt-get/dselect/Synaptic/Kynaptic to install it.
[11:07] <eli> what 5/10 in eurpean style or american? october 5th or may 10th?
[11:07] <confrey> hi everybody
[11:07] <eli> october yes?
[11:07] <crimsun> eli, October of this year (2005)
[11:07] <Flynn_> Right, but it isn't the latest version.. 1.02 and I can't install any of the extensions.
[11:07] <tritium> !firefox
[11:07] <din> may 10
[11:08] <Sionide> !info mozilla-firefox
[11:08] <ubotu> mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.2-0ubuntu5 (hoary), Packaged size: 8581 kB, Installed size: 24100 kB
[11:08] <frank_> ikmo: good... do I know you?
[11:08] <weiers> dbernar1:   I take it then that the package will integrate properly with the rest of the environment if I install it from /home. (I once did it with thunderbird in Mandrake 10.1, and I could never get thunderbird to open links to webpages etc.)
[11:08] <eli> Flynn_ get the backports for your repository list and then do apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:08] <eli> i have 1.0.4 firefox
[11:08] <dave> i've decided i am too lazy to do this.
[11:08] <Sionide> tritium, you after that?
[11:08] <dave> i will do a default install. brb.
[11:08] <tritium> Sionide, no, not that.
[11:08] <Kyral> Flynn_, its a bug
[11:08] <ikmo> frank_ no.. just sparking up conversation :) haven't been in here a while, wanted to make a friend, how sad lol
[11:09] <dbernar1> weiers, I think I spoke to someone on this channel, and we figured that exact thing with thunderbird.
[11:09] <dups> has anyone seen firefox crash after installing the libflash-mozilla plugin
[11:09] <dbernar1> out
[11:09] <TerminX> din: may 10?  more like the 10th month of the year 2005
[11:09] <dbernar1> ikmo, yes, pretty sad.
[11:09] <eli> dups i saw that happen with w32codecs
[11:09] <din> TerminX, ummm 5/10/2005 != october 5th
[11:10] <Flynn_> alright, eli. thanks, will do.
[11:10] <ikmo> dbernarl, no one asked you :P j/k
[11:10] <concept10> are the new mozilla updates in the repos (FF and TB)?
[11:10] <dups> eli: yeah it's weird I just tried to install it, no problem of course with apt-get but now if I go to a page that plays flash it crashes
[11:10] <TerminX> din: he's referring to breezy release
[11:10] <dbernar1> mouse scroll button should be integrated with the console to scroll...good idea, eh?
[11:10] <eli> dups did you follow the !codecs link for flash?
[11:10] <weiers> dbernar1, interesting. I was really frustrated, and that is why I actually switched to ubuntu. (Strange reason!)... I am so happy with Ubuntu, it is just that I want to work with a newer OOO than the 1.1.3 that is provided in the repositories. The 1.9.113 that is in the repository is just very unstable.
[11:10] <tritium> Sionide, he used to repy about the security fixes in 1.0.4 being backported into 1.0.2, and how to configure the vendor sub...
[11:10] <LuNaTiK^GuY> how does 3ddesktop work??
[11:10] <dbernar1> din.......
[11:11] <LuNaTiK^GuY> how can i see its effect?
[11:11] <TerminX> aka Ubuntu 5.10 (duh) which is scheduled for.. get this.. October 2005 (duh)
[11:11] <eli> 3ddesktop works great
[11:11] <Sionide> LuNaTiK^GuY, got it installed? go to a terminal and type "3ddesk"
[11:11] <dbernar1> you turn it on, and it works perfect.
[11:11] <concept10> dbernar1, it is, you mean the terminal?
[11:11] <dups> eli, no
[11:11] <dups> eli: and I'm unfamiliar about what you're talking about
[11:11] <LuNaTiK^GuY> ohh i was trying "3ddesktop" :)
[11:11] <eli> dups folllow the ubotu link
[11:11] <eli> !codecs
[11:11] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, codecs is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:11] <dbernar1> TerminX: duh..
[11:11] <concept10> Does anyone know if the new Firfox and thunderbird releases are in the repos?
[11:11] <franck> hi all, i'm new here
[11:11] <LuNaTiK^GuY> holy cow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[11:11] <Flynn_> eli, are you sure it's 'apt-get dist-upgrade'? Hmm.. I'm not willing to go experimental, at least not at this stage.
[11:12] <LuNaTiK^GuY> this is cute!!!
[11:12] <eli> i have 3ddesktop on my computer and it works good
[11:12] <tritium> concept10, no, not yet
[11:12] <benplaut> hi frank
[11:12] <TerminX> dbernar1: he didn't seem to get it.
[11:12] <LuNaTiK^GuY> 3ddesktop works great!!
[11:12] <dbernar1> LuNaTiK^GuY: 3d<tab>
[11:12] <eli> i did, and i have no problems
[11:12] <dbernar1> ok, he got it after...
[11:12] <eli> i guess its the risk you want to take
[11:12] <franck> is there way to get packages from universe localized ?
[11:12] <concept10> Tip for you 3ddesk users: man 3ddesk and take a look at the different switches
[11:12] <eli> if you feel a bit suicidal you can always download breezy ;-)
[11:13] <to|m> Is there a way to install Linux Ubuntu from windows without a CD or CDRW ?
[11:13] <LinuxJones> franck, you want other Ubuntu machines to upgrade from a local repo on your own network ?
[11:13] <luminerd> Hello, what makes Ubuntu special?  I am considering it for a 25+ system network
[11:13] <eli> concept10 : do you use 3ddesk --acquire=0 ?
[11:13] <benplaut> somebody explain to to|m netinstall
[11:13] <benplaut> i don't know much about it
[11:13] <qt2> is there an easy way to restore audio on an ubuntu system to its state from when it was first installed?
[11:13] <scifiordie> has anyone had trouble reinstalling windows after installing ubuntu?
[11:14] <concept10> eli, nope I was really talking about 3ddesk --mode=priceisright
[11:14] <franck> no, I want my software to speack french
[11:14] <to|m> benplaut: have just the pc here
[11:14] <^thehatsrule^> scifiordie: no, thats the easiest
[11:14] <eli> i use that too
[11:14] <to|m> benplaut: no network:(
[11:14] <eli> u have gdesklets startbars for 3ddesk - works like a charm
[11:14] <frank_> franck: don't know... maybe they try to follow your localisation, if they can. J'utilise juste l'anglais.
[11:14] <LinuxJones> franck, do you have the French language support installed ?
[11:15] <ioboss> what means "Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library"? how i can do to support them?
[11:15] <scifiordie> thehatsrule :   i have tried every variation i can think of and no good
[11:15] <concept10> I dont use it anymore, the daemon causes cpu hits
[11:15] <franck> Yes, I have french language installed. Works great for main, but universe package are in english
[11:15] <eli> luminerd: i would like to help you, but i dont know much about IT work and how it does on a 25+ system
[11:15] <luminerd> eli, ok, thanks
[11:15] <eli> 3ddesk? or gdeklets concept10 ?
[11:16] <concept10> 3ddesk
[11:16] <luminerd> Anyone else know if Ubuntu would be good for such a setup?
[11:16] <eli> luminerd: i do know that is very stable and doing updates is very easy on the systems
[11:16] <LuNaTiK^GuY> any cool stuff i can install in gnome to make it more Mac OS like?
[11:16] <eli> i stopeed the cpu spikes with 3ddesk
[11:16] <eli> works good now
[11:16] <concept10> eli, it takes constant screenshots
[11:17] <eli> thats why i do - > 3ddesk --acquire=0
[11:17] <errorlevel> Is there an ubuntu install CD that will download packages online like the Debian net install CD?
[11:17] <eli> only takes screenshots when transitioning from one page to another
[11:18] <eli> errorlevel, there is but i dont know much about it. check out the wiki site on ubuntu for it
[11:18] <Kyral> oooo
[11:18] <LuNaTiK^GuY> congrats to whoever is into this ubuntu project
[11:18] <franck> Packages like wxvlc, multisync, gtk-gnutella are not localized...
[11:18] <LuNaTiK^GuY> its awesome
[11:18] <eli> Luna - install gdesklets
[11:18] <tubix> hi, i have some problems with the sound on ubuntu, the sound works but not on any game, or any music player. Any idea please ?
[11:18] <franck> They are on Sid ...
[11:18] <eli> dont install gdkeskelts - data though
[11:19] <eli> get the stuff for it off the gnome gdesklets site
[11:19] <eli> tubix whats the problem?
[11:19] <ioboss> guy.. :(
[11:19] <errorlevel> eli: I'm looking through the wiki but I only see something called "NetbootInstallHowto" which isn't what I want.  I can boot just fine from my CD-ROM drive.
[11:19] <ioboss> what means "Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library"? how i can do to support them?
[11:19] <luminerd> Is ubuntu user friendly enough to be no-terminal-needed?  there will be many newbies working on these systems, people who've used windows forever...will they be able to accomplish the task of surfing the web and editing word documents/excel spreadsheets?
[11:20] <root__> I'm having a little trouble with library paths on Ubuntu 64. When trying to run ATI:s control panel application I get told that libexpat.so.0 is not found, but it resides in /usr/lib and is found by ldconfig....how to make it understand the lib is there??
[11:20] <eli> errorlevel - then im clueless sorry i could help =S
[11:20] <LuNaTiK^GuY> luminerd, yes ;)
[11:20] <eli> could not
[11:20] <tubix> eli, my sound card doesnt works on any games eor music players, but i can hear the sound on ubuntu (like the startup sound)
[11:20] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i came from windows....tried a gizillion distros...ubuntu/kubuntu are perfect
[11:20] <eli> !alta
[11:20] <ubotu> Wish i knew, eli
[11:20] <eli> !sounds
[11:20] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, eli
[11:20] <luminerd> LuNaTiK^GuY, ok, so Fedora and Ubuntu are about level right now in my eyes...can someone tell me why Ubuntu is better than Fedora specifically?
[11:21] <eli> fedora is brutal in installation files vs. ubuntu
[11:21] <eli> synaptic is much more advanced
[11:21] <LuNaTiK^GuY> luminerd, i never liked fedora....its a bit sluggish...to bloated...full of stuff that i dont need
[11:21] <LuNaTiK^GuY> and synaptic is AWESOME
[11:21] <eli> tubix you may have a problem with the sound driver called ESD
[11:21] <eli> check out on the wiki site about ALTA and ESD
[11:22] <LuNaTiK^GuY> but
[11:22] <luminerd> LuNaTiK^GuY, what is synaptic?
[11:22] <LuNaTiK^GuY> fedora has a better setup
[11:22] <tubix> eli, ok thx
[11:22] <LuNaTiK^GuY> anaconda installer should be part of the next ubuntu
[11:22] <tritium> luminerd, it's a front-end to apt, the package tool used in debian/ubuntu
[11:22] <eli> luminerd : also ubuntu recognizes hardware waaaaaay better than fedora
[11:22] <LuNaTiK^GuY> luminerd, Syntaptic is similar to Add/Remove programs in windows
[11:22] <eli> and you have better group of helpful peole like here in the irc chat and ubuntuforums
[11:23] <LuNaTiK^GuY> only WAY better
[11:23] <eli> lots of documenations
[11:23] <luminerd> I see
[11:23] <eli> tubix - happy to help :)
[11:23] <luminerd> Well, Fedora's yet to provide any reason why it's better
[11:23] <LuNaTiK^GuY> they said mandrake/mandriva was easy....i tried it...it was semi-ok....but Ubuntu is just enjoyable!!!
[11:23] <qt2> is there an easy way to restore audio on an ubuntu system to its state from when it was first installed?
[11:23] <ateves> eli: still there?
[11:24] <eli> luminerd i went originally with fedora, but i had a lot of problems with it (software and hardware on laptop) and then to ubuntu
[11:24] <eli> never left since
[11:24] <eli> ateves
[11:24] <eli> yep
[11:24] <ateves> :)
[11:24] <eli> still here
[11:24] <eli> triggy ?
[11:24] <ateves> eli: does that autostart stuff work with scripts, too?
[11:24] <frank_> qt2 I don't know
[11:24] <Kyral> ehh
[11:24] <luminerd> Well, I'll be back later, thanks for the help
[11:25] <eli> ateves, i would imagine it could if you have your scripts correctly loaded
[11:25] <Kyral> is the g++-4.0 package stable?
[11:25] <tritium> qt2, what exactly changed?  How was it modified?
[11:25] <eli> no problem luminerd
[11:25] <eli> good luck
[11:25] <LuNaTiK^GuY> luminerd, windows may still seem simpler...if u just try linux for 2 hours and leave it there......but with time....i got to love ubuntu.....i dont use it full-time...but i'm aiming at that...and keep windows for games....until Longhorn comes...i'll see from there
[11:26] <eli> LuNa you could use cedega for games
[11:26] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i just prefer Windows's performance
[11:26] <tritium> Kyral, see /topic re: breezy
[11:26] <eli> im not a gamer myself but i do know that cedega is pretty good
[11:26] <Kyral> I'm not USING Breezy
[11:27] <Kyral> I'm just building the FireFox 1.0.5 from the breezy Source repos and it needs GCC4
[11:27] <tritium> well, hoary doesn't have g++-4.0
[11:27] <Kyral> which are all in Backports....so I think its safe
[11:27] <dave> hello folks
[11:27] <dave> i am ubuntu!
[11:27] <eli> cool :)
[11:27] <eli> on gnome now?
[11:27] <dave> if this is really a "for everyone" distribution, i think the installation should be a little more simplified.
[11:27] <Kyral> Here goes!
[11:28] <LuNaTiK^GuY> ubuntu should introduce a totlally i686 compiled version...like Yoper
[11:28] <eli> dave : i agree on that. they are working on that for the next release in breezy
[11:28] <Kyral> wait, GCC4 won't replace whatever GCC I have now, right?
[11:28] <LuNaTiK^GuY> it would then be a 100% winer
[11:28] <ioboss> how i can do a script? i dont find a wiki.. :(
[11:28] <eli> Kyral ... no clue :S
[11:28] <Kyral> oh well
[11:28] <benplaut> LuNaTiK: Winner ;)
[11:28] <benplaut> yes, it would be
[11:28] <benplaut> i would love that
[11:28] <Kyral> this is why I put my /home on a separate partition
[11:28] <eli> ioboss did you look on ubuntuforums?
[11:29] <ioboss> i go..  I have PC105 as xkbd in xorg.conf. Any ideas?
[11:32] <Kyral> Just the ages old KDE vs. GNOME war
[11:32] <Xyc0> LuNaTiK^GuY: Ubuntu and Kubuntu is the same distro
[11:32] <eli> why battle on it? why not merge it?
[11:32] <Xyc0> eli: so we have choise
[11:32] <dave> Xyc0: a minute ago i was told they were the same thing
[11:32] <dave> sorry, i was told they were two dists
[11:33] <Kyral> Ubuntu uses GNOME as default
[11:33] <MrGardenHoseMan> well here's another fine question for you all, how do i mount a drive that's not even there :x
[11:33] <LuNaTiK^GuY> they are the same project
[11:33] <Xyc0> Linux is all about choice
[11:33] <dave> i need less mouse sensitivity
[11:33] <Kyral> Kubuntu uses KDE as default
[11:33] <LuNaTiK^GuY> with preferences on the desktpo manager
[11:33] <Kyral> other than that, samething
[11:33] <Xyc0> MrGardenHoseMan: your going to have to give a bit more info then that
[11:33] <yper> no brilliant ideas??
[11:33] <eli> go to system > preferences > look for hte mouse option
[11:33] <Super_BQ> hi
[11:33] <MrGardenHoseMan> well
[11:33] <Kyral> hell you can install KDE on a Ubuntu install and vice versa
[11:33] <MrGardenHoseMan> i've got xp installed on the otehr drive
[11:33] <Xyc0> You can install KDE on ubuntu, its really easy
[11:34] <MrGardenHoseMan> when i was isntaling ubuntu
[11:34] <eli> oh its ntfs
[11:34] <MrGardenHoseMan> i instaled grub
[11:34] <Kyral> MrGardenHoseMan, you have to find out what its /dev entry is
[11:34] <LuNaTiK^GuY> ok another fun question
[11:34] <MrGardenHoseMan> it gives an option to boot to xp
[11:34] <Kyral> then make a mountpoint
[11:34] <MrGardenHoseMan> but it doesn't work
[11:34] <eli> MrGardenHoseMan : do you have the winmac sh file?
[11:34] <LuNaTiK^GuY> when will linux beat M$ on the desktop?
[11:34] <MrGardenHoseMan> what i'd like to do is mount that drive
[11:34] <eli> automatically mounts drives
[11:34] <MrGardenHoseMan> and copy over all the files
[11:34] <Xyc0> LuNaTiK^GuY: It does already
[11:34] <LuNaTiK^GuY> LOL
[11:34] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i meant..in a global manner
[11:34] <dave> maybe you guys can answer this one
[11:34] <Kyral> We REALLY need an easy mountpoint maker/manager
[11:34] <Xyc0> MrGardenHoseMan: So tell me what you are really trying to do
[11:35] <Xyc0> LuNaTiK^GuY:  It dowa
[11:35] <Xyc0> LuNaTiK^GuY: Does*
[11:35] <MrGardenHoseMan> i have no idea lol
[11:35] <eli> http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab for MrGardenHoseMan
[11:35] <Super_BQ> can someone show me a link where I can make Ubunto as a stand alone router ?
[11:35] <MrGardenHoseMan> well
[11:35] <MrGardenHoseMan> for one
[11:35] <Xyc0> LuNaTiK^GuY: go to europe, see how many people use M$
[11:35] <ilba7r> any one know what is the default font implemented in ubuntu to be used by gnome
[11:35] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i am European
[11:35] <LuNaTiK^GuY> :)
[11:35] <tombs> hi ppl
[11:35] <MrGardenHoseMan> how do i make the drive show up next to all the other drives
[11:35] <LuNaTiK^GuY> a lot still use M$
[11:35] <LuNaTiK^GuY> :(
[11:35] <Proteque_> LuNaTiK^GuY: not here.
[11:35] <eli> MrGardenHoseMan, the winmic_fstab does that
[11:35] <Xyc0> MrGardenHoseMan: WinXP usues NTFS format
[11:36] <frank_> Germany is the country I saw with the most linux
[11:36] <MrGardenHoseMan> yeah
[11:36] <MrGardenHoseMan> i heard you can still read from it
[11:36] <Proteque_> LuNaTiK^GuY: I work for a "county" in norway. we hardly use windows.
[11:36] <dave> of course.
[11:36] <Xyc0> MrGardenHoseMan: Even if you mount it, you cannot write to it yet, it is Read Only
[11:36] <eli> you can read it
[11:36] <eli> but you cant write on it
[11:36] <LuNaTiK^GuY> Industry uses Linux a lot
[11:36] <MrGardenHoseMan> that's fine with me, all i need to do is copy the files over
[11:36] <MrGardenHoseMan> won't be doing any writting
[11:36] <LuNaTiK^GuY> but the avergae Joe still uses Windows for everything
[11:36] <Xyc0> LuNaTiK^GuY: England uses linux ins schools now
[11:37] <eli> most scientific institutes as well
[11:37] <dave> this is going to be difficult to figure out
[11:37] <Kyral> Hooray! My current GCC wasn't overwritten!
[11:37] <LuNaTiK^GuY> our university (malta) is still biased with Windows
[11:37] <Xyc0> MrGardenHoseMan: Then youll want to google "mounting NTFS"
[11:37] <LuNaTiK^GuY> although we have a lot of linux practice
[11:37] <ioboss> eli... can you help me?
[11:37] <MrGardenHoseMan> hmm good idea
[11:37] <eli> ioboss whats up?
[11:38] <Xyc0> MrGardenHoseMan: I can help you once you've read more into iy
[11:38] <eli> i can always try :)
[11:38] <Xyc0> it*
[11:38] <yper> I guess my question won't be answered here =(
[11:38] <dave> wow
[11:38] <LuNaTiK^GuY> so wot about the 92% dominance M$ has?
[11:38] <eli> the grand solution people to mounting drives is http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[11:38] <LuNaTiK^GuY> is it a lie?
[11:38] <dave> gnome is unfortunate
[11:38] <tritium> yper, what was your question?
[11:38] <dave> i want a window list on the right side
[11:38] <dave> it's not fair
[11:38] <ioboss> eli i can't do script.. :
[11:38] <Kyral> FF 1.0.5 compiling
[11:39] <eli> !script
[11:39] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, eli
[11:39] <Xyc0> LuNaTiK^GuY: show me where it says that
[11:39] <yper> tritium: I seem to have lost my "<>|"-key in x
[11:39] <eli> hmm
[11:39] <tritium> dave, the window list can be moved
[11:39] <LuNaTiK^GuY> stuff like "The Inquirer"
[11:39] <dave> right, but the panel won't go more than 120px
[11:39] <Xyc0> LuNaTiK^GuY: Show me the URL
[11:39] <tritium> yper, oh, that's a tough one ;)
[11:39] <dave> i think i need another window manager
[11:39] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i dont have the url...i read it a long time ago
[11:39] <LuNaTiK^GuY> for example...when MAC shifted to x86....
[11:39] <LuNaTiK^GuY> there was an article
[11:39] <LuNaTiK^GuY> that said
[11:40] <ioboss> !script
[11:40] <ubotu> ioboss: No idea
[11:40] <ioboss> ?
[11:40] <LuNaTiK^GuY> Windows was first...Linux second...and Mac trailing behind
[11:40] <Xyc0> LuNaTiK^GuY: I'm just saying, it's one thing to say statistics, its quite another to prove it.
[11:40] <ioboss> !script
[11:40] <yper> tritium: yup, been struggling with that for a while ;), the issue is only on my laptop that uses XFCE..
[11:40] <eli> ioboss what kind of script do you want to write?
[11:41] <eli> im not very familiar with normal scripts
[11:41] <eli> i write some stuff for a scientific program and thats about it
[11:41] <LuNaTiK^GuY> Xyc0, but there is this thing.....that ppl cant stand about linux in general..."Why does my hardware work at once with windows...and y do i get probs with any linux distro?
[11:41] <eli> ubuntu works good
[11:41] <eli> no hardware probs
[11:41] <lcharly_TheOne> how can i add font types .tff???
[11:42] <dave> the main issue i have with migration is the programs.
[11:42] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i still didnt get my 5.1 channels to work
[11:42] <eli> for sound?
[11:42] <Xyc0> LuNaTiK^GuY: Well sure, M$ is easy at first. But so is sticking your hand in a wood chipper.
[11:42] <LuNaTiK^GuY> the only issue till now
[11:42] <LuNaTiK^GuY> yes
[11:42] <yper> tritium: the reason for XFCE is that it is quite an old and I have to spare the RAM =)
[11:42] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i only get 2 channels working
[11:42] <Xyc0> LuNaTiK^GuY: I can help you with that
[11:42] <eli> Xyco : that is a great statement
[11:42] <tritium> yper, oh, okay
[11:42] <eli> i will remember that one
[11:42] <LuNaTiK^GuY> 10q Xyc0
[11:42] <frank_> LuNaTiK^GuY: yeah you have to buy hardware that you know is supported
[11:43] <LuNaTiK^GuY> frank_, u can't tell ppl to buy stuff coz Linux says so....it is Linux that must allow it (in the future)
[11:43] <eli> adios people
[11:43] <Xyc0> frank_: Nah, you just have to be willing to learn
[11:43] <dave> thats true
[11:43] <LuNaTiK^GuY> Xyc0, how can i  get 5.1 to work?
[11:43] <dave> i dont want to be limited to nvidia :)
[11:43] <Xyc0> LuNaTiK^GuY: what kind of sound card?
[11:44] <frank_> LuNaTiK^GuY: well when some hardware vendors support linux and some don't the choice is clear
[11:44] <Xyc0> ATI works great
[11:44] <LuNaTiK^GuY> its an onborad sound card
[11:44] <LuNaTiK^GuY> on an ASUS P4P800 mobo
[11:44] <ioboss> eli thnx.. i do.. i'm newbie, sprry
[11:44] <ioboss> sorry
[11:45] <Draga> Hmm.. Could someone help me? I tried Ubuntu 5.1 live-cd and it boots but when it start loading OS it just went black... Nothing happens after that
[11:45] <Xyc0> LuNaTiK^GuY: What sound driver do you use?
[11:45] <XhyldazhK> Hi all!
[11:45] <LuNaTiK^GuY> ALSA
[11:45] <yper> tritium: no ideas?
[11:46] <XhyldazhK> How do I find all deb packages such that no other package depends on them?
[11:46] <tritium> yper, no, I'm sorry
[11:46] <Xyc0> LuNaTiK^GuY: in terminal "alsamixer"
[11:46] <Draga> and 64bit live-image. I use Hp pavilion zv6028ea computer (laptop) AMD 64bit 3200, Ati radeon xpress200m...
[11:46] <yper> tritium: ok thanks anyway for the shown interest =)
[11:46] <LuNaTiK^GuY> done
[11:47] <Draga> Does someone know what is the problem?
[11:47] <LuNaTiK^GuY> card Intel ICH5
[11:47] <LuNaTiK^GuY> chip ANALOG DEVICES AD1985
[11:47] <Xyc0> then you want to un mute Analog/Digital
[11:47] <tritium> yper, :)
[11:47] <Draga> Could someone help me... Linux noob :>
[11:48] <LuNaTiK^GuY> Xyc0, where is that?
[11:48] <Xyc0> LuNaTiK^GuY: keep moving to the right
[11:48] <dave> how do you get a windowlist out of a gnome panel?!
[11:48] <dave> there we are. the surface area is like one pixel.
[11:48] <dave> i am liking this ubuntu stuff so far.
[11:49] <abarbaccia> hey - if ubuntu mounted a usb device, what would the /dev/ listing be under?
[11:49] <dave> sda
[11:49] <dave> ?
[11:49] <dave> and if it's already mounted, can't you just type mount to list it?
[11:49] <LuNaTiK^GuY> Xyc0, i dont have an Analog/Digital entry
[11:49] <Toba>  /dev/sda
[11:49] <Draga> Could someone help me
[11:49] <Toba> mine is there
[11:49] <LuNaTiK^GuY> but i do have a lot of Spread front to centre lfe etc etc
[11:49] <LuNaTiK^GuY> wots that?
[11:49] <Toba> Draga: what do you nead help WITH?
[11:49] <snackalot> draga ill try
[11:49] <abarbaccia> thanks dave and Toba
[11:49] <Toba> ym
[11:50] <dave> gnome has focus problems in the menu.. can i fix these?
[11:50] <Xyc0> LuNaTiK^GuY: Sorry, im not on my ALSA puter right now, so your going to have to look around and see what to unmute, you unmute by pressing M
[11:50] <LuNaTiK^GuY> thanks :)
[11:50] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i'll try some combinations
[11:51] <Draga> Could someone help me? I tried Ubuntu 5.1 live-cd and it boots but when it start loading OS it just went black... Nothing happens after that and 64bit live-image. I use Hp pavilion zv6028ea computer (laptop) AMD 64bit 3200, Ati radeon xpress200m...
[11:52] <Gourami> question: can a daily cron job be set to mail you a completion status ?
[11:52] <Xyc0> Draga: What ATI are you using?
[11:52] <Draga> Xyc0 it said ATI radeon xpress 200mobility :)
[11:53] <Draga> Doesnt support yet?
[11:53] <Xyc0> No, i just didnt know what M stood for
[11:53] <Draga> Ah..
[11:53] <Xyc0> Draga: But that could be the case, ATI doesnt have the best linux drivers
[11:54] <abarbaccia> anybody use a rio carbon with ubuntu?
[11:54] <Xyc0> Draga: did you try installing Ubuntu?
[11:54] <LuNaTiK^GuY> Linux should also try to speed up bootup speeds......
[11:54] <LuNaTiK^GuY> on high end systems...M$ has the edge
[11:54] <Xyc0> LuNaTiK^GuY: Why, its 2x faster then M$
[11:54] <Draga> Xyc0: I'm trying the live-64bit because i want to know if it works
[11:55] <kutucape> gnome is slow on my PIII 1 GHz
[11:55] <LuNaTiK^GuY> XP takes less time to boot for me
[11:55] <LuNaTiK^GuY> on my P4 3.00 Ghz
[11:55] <funkyHat> LuNaTiK^GuY, there are other reasons why linux takes longer than windows to boot
[11:55] <LuNaTiK^GuY> funkyhat, can they be resolved?
[11:55] <Xyc0> LuNaTiK^GuY: are you talking about Linux, or Gnome?
[11:55] <Gourami> question: can a daily cron job be set to mail you a completion status ?
[11:55] <woodwizzle> is there a good gui program I can use to transcode/burn DVDs?
[11:56] <LuNaTiK^GuY> Windows comes with a GUI
[11:56] <LuNaTiK^GuY> so i include gnome yes
[11:56] <Draga> Damn... It just starts loading the OS but downloading sometime and here comes the blackout
[11:56] <funkyHat> same as there are reasons for why linux goes down at least 10x as fast
[11:56] <funkyHat> :)
[11:56] <LuNaTiK^GuY> that is true funkyhat ;)
[11:56] <frank_> woodwizzle: the easiest way I found was to use dvd shrink with wine
[11:56] <dave> LOL
[11:56] <Draga> So no one knows what's wrong?
[11:56] <dave> that's embarrassing
[11:56] <LuNaTiK^GuY> but....
[11:57] <LuNaTiK^GuY> if Ubuntu followed Yoper's example
[11:57] <LuNaTiK^GuY> bootup speeds are awesome on that O/S
[11:57] <woodwizzle> frank: Well, I don't want to copy DVDs, I'm talking about burning files that I've downloaded from online. Stuff like music videos and live bootlegs, not whole DVDs
[11:57] <Proteque_> anyone know if it possible to setup the raid on old ibm servers when I miss the serverguide cd?
[11:58] <din> bbl time to go home
[11:58] <Draga> There isn't anyone that could help me?
[11:58] <ColonelKernel> im trying to make sure 1024x768 only runs @ 100hz - ive used gtf to generate a modeline but it doesnt seem to be working. I have disabled dpms and turned on IgnoreEDID on the nvidia driver. I beg for help
[11:58] <snackalot> what a shame
[11:59] <Xyc0> LuNaTiK^GuY: What are you trying to get at?  Do you have an actual point, or are you just trolling?
[11:59] <Draga> Could someone help on my problem... I need help for god sake :>
[11:59] <LuNaTiK^GuY> no.....i'm just saying that after trying several distros..............Ubuntu is awesome
[11:59] <desrt> ColonelKernel; the X server will automatically select the highest possible refresh rate for each mode from the hsync/vsync params you supply
[11:59] <LuNaTiK^GuY> and some speed could make it even more awesome