[19:31] <Eveshka> so shoudl i scrap this and do something else then get half way again?
[19:32] <Tom88> leftyfb, Eveshka wants to move a file from windows to ext3
[19:32] <Eveshka> ironic that the question mark button of the one thign i dont understand doesnt work lol
[19:32] <ioria> yes
[19:32] <Eveshka> tom - YES!
[19:32] <Eveshka> YOU GOT IT
[19:32] <ducasse> Eveshka: rufus is commonly recommended here, never heard of lili
[19:32] <leftyfb> Tom88: what does that have to do with a live installer?
[19:32] <Eveshka> and ive run out of boxes so i cant install linux on a box
[19:32] <Tom88> We've told him to use a live cd, and Lili
[19:32] <Eveshka> so i have to install some temp live usb thing.
[19:32] <Eveshka> i did this once years ago - dire results
[19:32] <Eveshka> it had a four leaf clover on it
[19:33] <ioria>  move a file from windows to ext3
[19:33] <platz> my SSD drive is doing some wierd 20 second pauses, what is going on ? https://gist.github.com/jonschoning/a66e7dabfd6acb59e1343ca6d3151ff7
[19:33] <Tom88> leftyfb, A file manager for him to use
[19:33] <Eveshka> yes its something i have to do but i dont have much experience with linux
[19:33] <Eveshka> hence why im here
[19:33] <Tom88> And we are telling you what you need to do
[19:33] <leftyfb> Eveshka: so let me make an assumption. ... you have a Windows desktop and .... where is the ext3 filesystem? On some external drive? Not on a running machine that can mount it?
[19:33] <Eveshka> well i dont understand what the KEY thing means that it wants
[19:33] <Eveshka> i cant risk clicking something if its gonna format my hard drive or something
[19:34] <Eveshka> its on an external drive
[19:34] <fallentree> how does this even remotely classify as ubuntu support?
[19:34] <Eveshka> ready for a DCP cinema package
[19:34] <leftyfb> Eveshka: ok, hold on
[19:34] <e-vent> ...
[19:34] <Eveshka> for two films ive spent 2 years making hence why i dont have much time to learn an entire OS for one tiny task.
[19:34] <e-vent> You install the live boot onto a USB key
[19:34] <leftyfb> actually, why do you need to copy something to it?
[19:34] <e-vent> or USB pen drive
[19:34] <leftyfb> e-vent: please stop
[19:34] <Eveshka> right so KEY is the linux word for USB drive. nice
[19:34] <Eveshka> well its not in the list of options its only hard drives
[19:35] <e-vent> No, that is general parlance for USB thumb stick
[19:35] <leftyfb> Eveshka: why do you need to copy something to this ext3 external drive if you don't normally have access to it?
[19:35] <ioria> !ext3
[19:35] <Tom88> Eveshka, Do you have USB drive plugged in?
[19:35] <e-vent> Don't say drive unless you mean it
[19:35] <Eveshka> its a usb stick, 3 gigs. formatted to fat32
[19:35] <Eveshka> ready to put some kidn of linux on
[19:36] <leftyfb> why?
[19:36] <Eveshka> with the help of you fine gentlemen. i tried with another flavour but it was - not good
[19:36] <leftyfb> ok, so you're not just trying to copy some files from windows to an ext3 formatted drive ... you're trying to create an ubuntu installer so you can try/run/install ubuntu?
[19:36] <leftyfb> is that correct?
[19:37]  * leftyfb taps the mic
[19:37] <leftyfb> Eveshka: ^ ?
[19:38] <Eveshka> im trying to do all of this
[19:38] <Eveshka> so that i can copy the files across
[19:38] <Eveshka> because according to google!
[19:38] <leftyfb> across where?
[19:38] <Eveshka> you cannot WRITE to ext3 hard drives on windows
[19:38] <Eveshka> only read at best - with third party software (that doesnt even work)
[19:38] <Eveshka> so ultimately - if i could, i would avoid installing linux.
[19:38] <leftyfb> incorrect
[19:38] <leftyfb> http://www.paragon-drivers.com/extfs-windows/
[19:38] <Eveshka> i have run out of machines to dedicate one machine to it
[19:38] <Eveshka> been there. i thought it said read only
[19:38] <fallentree> Eveshka: did you read the tidbit ioria gave you?
[19:38] <Eveshka> but sure i'll give it another read
[19:39] <Eveshka> i haven't had a chance, tree.
[19:39] <leftyfb> "Fast and easy read/write access to Ext2 / Ext3 / Ext4 under Windows
[19:39] <leftyfb> "
[19:39] <Eveshka> i wrote a song called fallen true. its on my first album track 8 haha
[19:39] <fallentree> actually it's allentree, f. allentree.
[19:39] <fallentree> and here, again:
[19:39] <Eveshka> i'll give it a shot and put my lili thing on hold then.
[19:39] <fallentree> !ext3 | Eveshka
[19:39] <Eveshka> im not stupid,im just tired.
[19:39] <leftyfb> fs-driver is another option
[19:39] <Eveshka> and have done too many jobs lol
[19:40] <ioria> i'am wondering why ext3 .... but it's on me alone
[19:40] <fallentree> indeedy, ubuntu can read/write ntfs just fine
[19:40] <Eveshka> so ive been given two options. which is the best?
[19:40] <leftyfb> Eveshka: can I ask. Why do you need to copy files to an ext3 formatted drive you don't normally have access to?
[19:40] <Tom88> Yeah, I don't quite get why ext3 either
[19:40] <Eveshka> yeah but i dont even remember how to mount a drive in linux.
[19:40] <Eveshka> its overkill for a simple task
[19:40] <fallentree> it's not
[19:40] <xnull> hi, how can I check on linux, to see what ram my video has?
[19:40] <fallentree> it's all automagic these days.
[19:41] <fallentree> and ubuntu base comes with ntfs3g driver so if you want manual, just "mount", done.
[19:41] <ioria> xnull, try dmesg | grep VRAM
[19:41] <leftyfb> Eveshka: can you elaborate? Maybe there's a simpler way?
[19:41] <fallentree> if you did that freebsd thing you said, you should know how to mount.
[19:41] <Eveshka> i already said lol
[19:41] <n-st> xnull: https://www.google.com/search?q=check+on+linux%2C+to+see+what+ram+my+video+has%3F
[19:41] <xnull> leftyfb: i think dmesg will say only the amount of vram,
[19:42] <leftyfb> Eveshka: not to me, I just got here
[19:42] <Eveshka> i wanna put a few files (one of them gigantic) from windows machine onto an external ext3 hard drive
[19:42] <Eveshka> thats it.
[19:42] <leftyfb> why?
[19:42] <Eveshka> so im trying this thing
[19:42] <leftyfb> why on an external ext3 drive you don't currently have read/write access to?
[19:42] <xnull> n-st: im curios who made the ram on my video, samsung or hynix
[19:42] <leftyfb> why not format the drive as fat32 or ntfs?
[19:42] <n-st> xnull: ah, misunderstood that then
[19:42] <Eveshka> eek. 10 day free trial
[19:43] <Eveshka> lol
[19:43] <Eveshka> because ext3
[19:43] <Eveshka> is the dolby cinema projector standard
[19:43] <cores> back in 2007 when I did "mount | wc -l" i'd get like 3 or 4 after a default install
[19:43] <Eveshka> for film distribution and DCP
[19:43] <cores> now i get like 20 or 30
[19:43] <leftyfb> ok, that makes sense then
[19:43] <Eveshka> although some projectors will read windows, i want it to be versatile so my film can play anywhere
[19:44] <leftyfb> Eveshka: if this is something you'll be doing somewhat regularly, you should get another machine (it could cost $5) that would be connected to this drive that you could just drag and copy these files from windows to
[19:44] <Eveshka> i intend to lol
[19:44] <Eveshka> but im kinda... drowning in machines right now
[19:44] <Eveshka> i'll have to start using them as tables
[19:45] <xnull> n-st: https://github.com/sling00/amdmeminfo found it
[19:45] <fallentree> uhm... if those windows drivers things don't work, why not pop in the ubuntu live usb and simply copy files from the windows disk to external drive? surely you've got more than one usb port...
[19:45] <leftyfb> Eveshka: a Raspberry Pi zero w costs $5, is the size of a stick of gum and would connect to this drive, you could setup samba share over your wireless network and could physically be stuck onto the side/top of the external drive
[19:46] <Eveshka> oh dont loll
[19:46] <Eveshka> reason im here is because my raspberry pi died
[19:46] <Eveshka> i cant get visuals on it anymore
[19:46] <Tom88> what.
[19:46] <Eveshka> plus i am a bit scared it might be slow
[19:46] <Eveshka> one of the files is 300 gigs
[19:46] <leftyfb> which would be done copying by now
[19:46] <Eveshka> i dont do wireless or network strangely, thats another story
[19:46] <Eveshka> you reckon a raspberry pi could do that by now? :p
[19:46] <Eveshka> well we tried with that but seems to have problems
[19:47] <Eveshka> powers up but no visuals
[19:47] <leftyfb> Eveshka: that means the SD card is done
[19:47] <leftyfb> Eveshka: make a new pi imaged sd card
[19:47] <Eveshka> OH
[19:47] <leftyfb> pi's themselves are pretty tough
[19:47] <Eveshka> tell me more - done? it ... dies over time?
[19:47] <Eveshka> its a mark 1 btw
[19:47] <Eveshka> i bought a crap one on purpose
[19:47] <leftyfb> that's a bit old
[19:47] <Eveshka> not good enough?
[19:48] <leftyfb> you'd be better off with a $5 pi zero w
[19:48] <leftyfb> it's a tiny bit faster and has wireless
[19:48] <Eveshka> ok this program doesnt work
[19:48] <Eveshka> its doing the same thing the other program did.
[19:48] <Eveshka> you run it,nothing happens
[19:48] <leftyfb> the pi3 is a lot faster, has wired network, proper usb ports and costs $35
[19:48] <Eveshka> yeah
[19:49] <Eveshka> this is more of a test
[19:49] <Eveshka> but yeah, that program is dead.
[19:49] <Eveshka> and i dont have 30 years to learn how to crack it, learn assmbly and fix it which is probably what half the people here will tell me what to do BWAHAHahahAHA
[19:49] <kyuwon> what should i do if 'Terminal' app doesn't turn up
[19:49] <kyuwon> ?
[19:49] <fallentree> are you sure? maybe it added file manager menu items... or awaits for ext3 drive to appear...
[19:49] <leftyfb> again, if this is something you're going to do regularly, the $5 - $50 investment might be worth it
[19:49] <Eveshka> AHH ITS BACK
[19:49] <Eveshka> its come to life
[19:50] <leftyfb> Eveshka: nobody here is telling you to write assembly
[19:50] <Eveshka> lefty are you SURE that it will do the job
[19:50] <Eveshka> yeah it was a joke.
[19:50] <leftyfb> Eveshka: a pi, yes
[19:50] <Eveshka> its gonna be able to read my NTSF or hwatever it is
[19:50] <leftyfb> Eveshka: I own about 20 of them myself
[19:50] <Tom88> I can second this, it'll work
[19:50] <Eveshka> AND read the EXT3, and make fast copies?
[19:50] <leftyfb> yes
[19:50] <Eveshka> without me learning assembly and binary?LOL
[19:50] <leftyfb> the pi3 is your best bet
[19:50] <leftyfb> Eveshka: yes
[19:50] <Eveshka> ok
[19:50] <leftyfb> Eveshka: /join #raspberrypi for more help with it once you get one. It's pretty damn simple
[19:50] <Eveshka> ok i got this paragon thing working
[19:52] <Eveshka> i can look at the hard disk but i dont seem to be able to interact with it
[19:52] <leftyfb> Eveshka: there's probably an option to enable read/write mode
[19:52] <leftyfb> in the software
[19:53] <Eveshka> theres "read only" which is unchecked. bugger all any other options
[19:53] <Eveshka> what a tease
[19:53] <Tom88> OKay okay
[19:53] <nem> Why am I getting highlights from Eveshka ??
[19:53] <Eveshka> dunno mate
[19:54] <Eveshka> right click dont do it either. ah man - so close
[19:54] <IntelCore> cuz u set it
[19:54] <Eveshka> i think ive jus tabout clicked every pixel on the interface
[19:54] <Eveshka> or do i have to hold my breath, spin around 3 times and then type in alt grande 225
[19:54] <Tom88> Eveshka, www.howtogeek.com/112888/3-ways-to-access-your-lunix-partitions-from-windows/
[19:54] <Eveshka> ß
[19:55] <Eveshka> been there
[19:55] <Tom88> AND
[19:55] <Eveshka> "Ext2Fsd is a Windows file system driver for the Ext2, Ext3, and Ext4 file systems. It allows Windows to read Linux file systems natively"
[19:55] <Eveshka> this is the thing that someone told me to download ensuring me it could WRITE.
[19:55] <Eveshka> that description says read, as i read before i came here
[19:56] <Eveshka> oh wait thats fs, not fsd, oh man
[19:58] <IntelCore> http://muzso.hu/2012/03/28/how-to-access-read-write-an-ext2-ext3-ext4-partition-in-windows
[19:58] <IntelCore> those are current options to do
[19:59] <IntelCore> i dunno write
[19:59] <hashwagon> Does ubuntu live usb have any features like clonezilla? I'm trying to backup and restore ubuntu 16.04 images from a USB drive
[19:59] <IntelCore> less u go thru networked?
[20:00] <generic> how can I set the alsa-mixer levels in ubuntu ? they are always wrong when I boot
[20:01] <Turpitude> Hello Everyone.  Would this be the place to ask a question about mapping a windows fileshare through the /etc/fstab ?
[20:01] <Tom88> hashwagon, No, but it's fairly easy to make a small CD or USB with CLonezilla live on it
[20:01] <Guest98570> Do I need to install anything before being able to execute a .bin file with "./" ?
[20:01] <Eveshka> i give up
[20:01] <Eveshka> this is a lost cause. i have no choice but to buy a raspberry or whatever
[20:01] <generic> Guest98570 try source xxx
[20:01] <Tom88> Guest98570: Negative
[20:02] <ducasse> generic: you need to set it executable, with chmod +x
[20:02] <Tom88> FInally! That guy was really something
[20:02] <ducasse> generic: sorry, bad expansion
[20:02] <generic> ducasse: jup but that's for guest98570
[20:02] <Guest98570> Yup I did it already, but it tells me he doesn't find the file
[20:02] <IntelCore> generic - so the system setting did not do?
[20:02] <Guest98570> (I made sure I'm on the right tree)
[20:03] <hashwagon> Tom88: Thanks. Anyone know if it's possible to create an image and save it onto the same USB drive clonezilla is on?
[20:03] <Tom88> Guest98570: Does the file name have spaces in it?
[20:03] <Guest98570> No
[20:03] <kikuk> hay
[20:03] <Tom88> hashwagon, Well, with some partitioning, maybe
[20:03] <generic> how can I set default mixer levels ?
[20:03] <hashwagon> Okay that's what I thought I'll see if I can get it to work
[20:04] <ducasse> Guest98570: the .bin file is in the current directory? if so, what is the _exact_ error?
[20:04] <Tom88> hashwagon, a thing I use is called Hiren's Boot CD. It has Clonezilla, a linux live environment, a WIndows live environment and loads of tools
[20:04] <Tom88> I'm actually using XChat off of it right now on an Ancient dell tower
[20:04] <hashwagon> Tom88: Awesome, that sounds very useful I'll check it out.
[20:05] <generic> IntelCore seems there is a system setting but i'm using spdif which is always disabled
[20:06] <Guest98570> It's in the current directory, the exact error is :  "bash: ./file.bin: No file or Directory"
[20:06] <tmus> Does anyone know the reason why my login screen is displayed on the laptop screen even when the system is docked and the lid closed? I'm on GDM/Gnome, but it seems people are sometimes seeing similar on lightdm. Any ideas?
[20:06] <Guest98570> (I made sure it exists)
[20:06] <generic> Guest98570: seen that too
[20:06] <Tom88> ditto
[20:07] <generic> Guest98570: try renaming it
[20:07] <ducasse> Guest98570: check the filename for typos
[20:07] <Guest98570> Okay
[20:07] <IntelCore> askubuntu.com/questions/50067/howto-save-alsamixer-settings
[20:08] <Guest98570> I renamed it with only alphabetic characters, it still doesn't work
[20:08] <Tom88> I've had my fair share of struggles with that on an ArmA server
[20:08] <Guest98570> executable files such as "a.out" works
[20:08] <generic> Guest98570: interesting because ren found it
[20:09] <Guest98570> But not this .bin :/
[20:09] <Guest98570> ren found it ?
[20:09] <generic> Guest98570: rename
[20:09] <Guest98570> Ow, yup
[20:09] <generic> Guest98570: mv
[20:09] <ducasse> Guest98570: what does 'ls -lh file.bin' say?
[20:10] <theblackhieropha> hello
[20:10] <Guest98570> It found the file, with the rights I set
[20:10] <generic> Guest98570: chmod maybe ?
[20:10] <catalase> hello
[20:10] <Guest98570> I already chmod it, with 777 to be sure
[20:11] <generic> IntelCore: thanks
[20:12] <Guest98570> Btw, it must be painfull to you to need to search my answers, how do you make yourself red to the one you're talking ?
[20:13] <Guest98570> generic: test
[20:13] <Guest98570> Think I found out
[20:13] <ducasse> Guest98570: use tab to expand the filename instead of typing it
[20:13] <Guest98570> ducasse: I'm use to do it every time
[20:13] <IntelCore> generic -  terminal this, amixer contents , find the spdif
[20:13] <Guest98570> ducasse: I retried anyway, but same result
[20:14] <IntelCore> amixer contents
[20:14] <ducasse> Guest98570: what does 'file file.bin' say?
[20:14] <IntelCore> generic - you want to try save that config..
[20:14] <IntelCore> the one 4 the spdif
[20:15] <generic> IntelCore alsactrl store ??
[20:15] <Guest98570> ducasse: "file.bin: ELF 32-bit LSB executable" and many other things, but I think this is the most important
[20:15] <IntelCore> yes store it
[20:15] <generic> IntelCore in asound state ?
[20:16] <pagz> 403 error when trying to apt-get install packages* thats the mirrors problem right ? https://pastebin.com/5urxM3xR
[20:16] <generic> IntelCore /etc/asound.state ?
[20:16] <IntelCore> you might put - like shown 4 the desktop icon
[20:17] <IntelCore>  identify which one is the S/PDIF control. You may have to change that control in alsamixer and check for differences in the amixer contents output before and after to find it.
[20:17] <Guest98570> ducasse: It also say "Not stripped" if that's of any importance
[20:18] <IntelCore> das awll i got
[20:18] <generic> IntelCore I have no /etc/asound.state up to now :(
[20:19] <IntelCore> set mixer - sudo su - create asound.state
[20:19] <generic> IntelCore I have no /var/lib ..
[20:19] <generic> IntelCore I have /var/lib ..
[20:19] <bonsairoot> Guest98570, do you have 32 bit libs installed?
[20:19] <Guest98570> I just tried to rename it without the extention ".bin", same result, even when I put it the extention ".sh"
[20:19] <IntelCore> any asound.state on the pc?
[20:19] <Guest98570> bonsairoot: Absolutely no idea, my ubuntu is all new
[20:20] <generic> IntelCore yes in var/lib
[20:20] <IntelCore> move
[20:20] <bonsairoot> Guest98570, See https://askubuntu.com/questions/454253/how-to-run-32-bit-app-in-ubuntu-64-bit
[20:20] <generic> IntelCore to /etc ?
[20:20] <IntelCore> y
[20:20] <bonsairoot> Guest98570, I think you might have the same problem?
[20:21] <Guest98570> bonsairoot: That's it
[20:21] <Guest98570> bonsairoot: I'm gonna follow the steps, thank you
[20:24] <Guest98570> It all works now, thx again
[20:24] <bonsairoot> you're welcome
[20:25] <nacc> Guest98570: extensions don't mean anything in linux (technically)
[20:28] <Tom88> Refresh my memory, how do I set myself as away?
[20:28] <nacc> Tom88: not really an ubuntu support topic :)
[20:28] <nacc> Tom88: it's client specific, presumably
[20:28] <IntelCore> But using .profile and amixer, no need to "sudo" and it will unmute at every session start for your login.
[20:29] <Tom88> Ah, IRC is a mysterious beast for me :P
[20:29] <Tom88> My bad
[20:29] <IntelCore> mIrc is old
[20:29] <Threads> and so is your mum but nobody is complaining
[20:30] <IntelCore> Whalead is not working it, i dont think
[20:30] <nacc> Threads: don't do that, please.
[20:32] <IntelCore> alt A  ?
[20:32] <nacc> Tom88: but usually, it's /away ...
[20:58] <elden> any ideas on getting identd to work? tried oidentd and pidentd. no joy.
[20:59] <blkadder> elden, Could you be more specific?
[21:00] <elden> I installed each one of those packages... configured them and started/enabled. they don't seem to work. I've used them before with success. I do have TCP port 113 forwarded.
[21:00] <elden> pidentd uses inetd
[21:01] <elden> oidentd is standalone
[21:01] <elden> I had an old config file that worked fine with oidentd in the past
[21:01] <elden> testing simply amounted to logging onto several IRC servers and getting no ident found messages
[21:04] <elden> oh I know
[21:04] <elden> some routers block 113 and don't let you override that
[21:04] <elden> I bet that's what's happening
[21:05] <elden> tried telnetting, which should work I think
[21:05] <elden> but it does not
[21:07] <ycyclist> Say, I have almost 2 gig in something called $HOME/.cache.  What is the standard safe way to reduce that?
[21:07] <blkadder> elden, Are you trying externally?
[21:07] <blkadder> Telnetting to 113 from outside?
[21:08] <elden> actually, right now I'm telnetting to localhost from the machine itself. that should prove my theory.
[21:08] <elden> but yes, I was trying externally
[21:09] <elden> it connects locally, not externally
[21:09] <elden> the router is probably blocking it
[21:09] <blkadder> Ah
[21:09] <blkadder> Probably.
[21:10] <elden> thanks for letting me talk it out lol
[21:10] <blkadder> HEh
[21:10] <blkadder> "You are welcome for nothing" ;-)
[21:15] <kikuk> haay
[21:16] <egc> oh hai
[21:21] <maskedpo> n-st: I'm sorry, my mentally challenged sister decided to mess up the networking cables
[21:21] <maskedpo> n-st: the pai sho with tea offer is still standing! ^_^
[21:21] <n-st> maskedpo: :)
[21:22] <maskedpo> n-st: I cannot msg you as I am not logged in
[21:23] <xiang_> /msg *status AddBindHost domain.tld
[21:23] <n-st> I've messages you, that should work
[21:25] <maskedpo> n-st: I am sending test messages but status is telling me it's not going through
[21:26] <n-st> maskedpo: i've temporarily disabled the filter, try again now
[21:36] <udn> hi guys can you help me to connect my lg cm6540 audio device via bluetooth in ubunutu?
[21:45] <chamunks> Has anyone ever written a thing to re-assert all chown/chmod settings in ubuntu?
[21:46] <nacc> chamunks: what do you mean 're-assert'?
[21:46] <nacc> chamunks: those aren't settings, those are permissions and ownership of files
[21:46] <chamunks> nacc someone is asking me how the un-screw up their FS perms.
[21:46] <nacc> chamunks: you can't easily
[21:46] <kjackd_l> Is there any way to use ethernet bonding to aggregate bandwidth? Not round robin but using a random network connection (separate networks) per new data stream?
[21:46] <nacc> chamunks: and to have screwed up their FS that badly, they had to be root
[21:47] <chamunks> nacc okay I'll just tell him to blast the machine and try not to screw it up the next time.
[21:47] <nacc> chamunks: tell them not to do things as root next time and they can use a live image to compare against
[21:47] <nacc> chamunks: or reinstall, it's probably easier
[21:47] <chamunks> nacc I haven't had chown/chmod problems like that before so I had no idea.  I know theres a button I press in Onyx that "repairs" filesystem permissions and ownerships etc to what they're supposed to be in the root of OS X
[21:48] <nacc> chamunks: no such thing in ubuntu that i'm aware of. and feels like it teaches terrible system administration.
[21:48] <chamunks> nacc I'm really surprised no ones bothered to write something like this I'm sure theres a few people who have done this in the past.
[21:48] <nacc> chamunks: so i, personally, would not recommend such a thing
[21:48] <nacc> chamunks: yep, and hopefully they only do it once :)
[21:49] <chamunks> nacc I mean this guy's some guy from comcast or something he does phone support and is learning computers at this level at 45
[21:49] <chamunks> nacc I don't think he knows really what a linux even really is.
[21:50] <chamunks> nacc sorry I've got a terrible sense of humor anyways thanks I'll just relay it to him that theres nothing.
[21:50] <nacc> chamunks: that's all great. that person should *learn* it correctly.
[21:51] <nacc> chamunks: i think i say this daily now, but if you're root on a linux machine, and you don't have backups or know how to undo something already, don't do it! :)
[21:51] <psychoticwarrior> fixed the piceport issue by adding pci=nomsi at the end of linux kernel line
[21:51] <chamunks> nacc heh luckily I'm nowhere near that level of sysadmin anymore haha I can root safely.
[22:02] <tmus> In Ubuntu 17.04 (Gnome) which uses resolved, connecting to a VPN with NM does not totally override the DNS with those of the VPN connection. Instead it seems a DNS server is selected randomly, frequently breaking all split dns setups. Any way to change this behaviour? (dnsmasq is no better)
[22:15] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
[22:19] <nacc> tmus: i think there are some bugs in this area being worked
[22:23] <fallobst> hello
[22:26] <tmus> nacc, that would be awesome news. do you happen to know of a bug or something?
[22:27] <nacc> tmus: let me look
[22:29] <nacc> tmus: maybe LP: #1652525
[22:29] <nacc> tmus: there are others in the openvpn package that seem possibly relevant too
[22:31] <nacc> tmus: or LP: #1624317
[22:33] <tmus> nacc 1624317 seems right :) thanks
[22:34] <nacc> tmus: i'll see if i can make sure the right people see those
[22:38] <tmus> nacc, awesome thanks - it's been a problem for ages and hard to work (i have several vpn solutions for several customers and my own workplace). Having to deal with manual stuff for each should really not be needed and this worked fine earlier - 16.04 i believe
[22:38] <nacc> tmus: yeah, it's partially the cost of getting to a more consistent world (with my ubuntu developer hat on). But i completely get the frustration.
[22:39] <axisys> everytime I connect my laptop to work or home network, I need to rerun ``docker restart mydavmail'' .. is it possible to automate this?
[22:40] <tmus> nacc, i get it - and I'd totally accept a working hack (such as having to manually add stuff to the vpn definition to make this work)... not sure exactly where stuff beaks
[22:40] <tmus> may be network-manager or resolved or some combination...
[22:40] <tmus> thanks anyway
[22:40] <nacc> tmus: i think the last comment in LP: #1624317 has a workaround
[22:41] <nacc> tmus: but i am not sure -- my interpretation is that should be the default for BC, but like I said I need to ask other folks
[22:43] <Kabe> I am trying to get the Ubuntu laptop to connect to the Active Directory domain in my company and keep getting this error message that says  "Failed to join domain: failed to verify domain membership after joining: Access denied"... Kinit works fine... This is on Ubuntu 16.04 using SSSD and Samba... Anyone have any ideas?
[22:48] <piglit> hello
[22:48] <piglit> I can not access a old encrypted ssd
[22:48] <piglit> can anyone help me out ?
[22:49] <piglit> I did try this:
[22:49] <piglit> https://www.howtogeek.com/116297/how-to-recover-an-encrypted-home-directory-on-ubuntu/
[22:49] <piglit> but i do not have got a passphrase
[22:50] <genii> No correct passphrase, drive remains encrypted. No other way.
[22:56] <Seven_Six_Two> that's kind of the point.
[23:03] <BosiB> Hello, I'm having trouble with my built in microphone on Xubuntu 16.04. Any idea what could it be? Thank you!
[23:04] <Kabe> BosiB, did it ever work, and do you happen to run windows on the same system?
[23:05] <BosiB> Kabe, it used to work just fine when I used Ubuntu 14.04, then I just recently noticed that it wasn't working since I've installed Xubuntu 16.04.
[23:06] <Kabe> Have you tried restarting pulseaudio and plugging it out and in?
[23:06] <BosiB> Kabe, how do I do that?
[23:08] <Kabe> pulseaudio -k
[23:08] <Kabe> that kills it
[23:08] <Kabe> pulseaudio -D
[23:08] <Kabe> should restart it
[23:09] <Kabe> you can run pacmd
[23:09] <BosiB> Kabe, daemon failure once I did -D
[23:09] <Kabe> then list-sources to see if the mic is there
[23:10] <Kabe> what does pulseaudio say when you just type that in?
[23:10] <Kabe> it should say something like...
[23:11] <Kabe> [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running.
[23:11] <BosiB> Kabe, quite long outcome, but it does mention my built in microphone
[23:11] <Kabe> one last thing to maybe che k
[23:12] <Kabe> run the command alsamixer in the terminal
[23:12] <BosiB> Kabe, it says Daemon already running
[23:12] <Kabe> that should in theory bring up a soundcard control pannel
[23:12] <Kabe> there should be mic boost controls etc
[23:12] <Kabe> as well as features like auto-mute if your card supports it
[23:12] <Kabe> maybe one of those settings are the problem.
[23:12] <tmus> nacc, that workaround is for running openvpn outside of NetworkManager... I'd need to come up with a manageable way to the the same for vpnc, openconnect and pptp... I'd much rather figure out how to make network-manager (or resolved) override all previously set dns-servers with the VPN ones. That would be useful
[23:13] <BosiB> Kabe, internal mic is set to 100%
[23:13] <nacc> tmus: oh you want one dns server (or some set of them) for all connections?
[23:13] <tmus> nacc, as a workaround
[23:13] <tmus> :)
[23:13] <nacc> tmus: i'd ask in the bug, i've asked the systemd folks to look into it, but might not be until next week
[23:13] <Alumin> is /etc/issue managed by any system scripts, or can/should I just edit it directly?
[23:14] <nacc> Alumin: why would you edit it?
[23:14] <tmus> nacc, cool. thanks :)
[23:14] <BosiB> Kabe, it is so odd... it seems like it is installed and all, but it won't get any signal in on the pulseaudio config thing...
[23:15] <Kabe> here is maybe a good place to look at https://askubuntu.com/questions/508221/sound-input-device-microphone-not-working
[23:15] <Kabe> someone mentions pavucontrol as a possible fix
[23:15] <Kabe> as it might just be that it's not being assigned.
[23:15] <Alumin> nacc: maybe I want k-RaD ANSi art in my pre-login prompt.  Maybe I want to display an offensive fortune cookie.  Who knows?
[23:16] <Alumin> actually now that I think about it, ANSI art does sound kinda fun
[23:16] <nacc> Alumin: fortune cookies are better placed in motd
[23:16] <backbox> f
[23:16] <nacc> Alumin: afaict
[23:16] <nacc> Alumin: read `man issue` for the intent of the file, you can edit it, but it's pretty uncommon
[23:17] <Alumin> yeah, I just thought it might be like resolv.conf or GRUB's menu.lst where it's generated by something else
[23:17] <nacc> Alumin: i don't know what you mean by 'system scripts' in this context
[23:17] <nacc> Alumin: oh, no, it's not generated
[23:17] <Alumin> cool, thanks
[23:18] <Alumin> for the record, the problem being solved is to display the machine's IP on the console so that when it loses its DHCP lease, someone who doesn't have access to the box but _does_ have access to our DNS zone can update the A record :)
[23:19] <Alumin> and before you say dynamic DNS...I KNOW.  I also know about static IP assignment.  I'm not the network admin.  :)
[23:20] <Alumin> you'd think with eleventy billion IPs in the <IP_ADDRESS>/8 address space we could have static IPs.  But no.
[23:27] <psychoticwarrior> wish i could change it to dynamic ip address. How would I change my modem to different ip address WAN
[23:43] <energizer> My computer has been running super low today. How can I figure out why?
[23:45] <apes> Alumin: Add a dhcp client hook to update DNS for you
[23:45] <apes> Also, static IPs don't work for scaling clusters
[23:46] <Alumin> hmm that's a good idea...not that running an hourly cron job is going to slow the system down, but doing it from DHCP would be more efficient
[23:47] <Alumin> updating DNS directly isn't an option, there's no API for it.  I mean, unless I wanted to write some kind of shell script to screen scrape the Web interface
[23:47] <Alumin> which I don't :)
[23:47] <mate_> e
[23:48] <apes> Alumin: I'm guessing it's some kind of BIND compatible DNS server? Use nsupdate
[23:48] <saliak_> I’m trying to setup a bridge so I can create a openvpn bridge to access my LAN on the road
[23:48] <saliak_> anyone have a good resource they’d recommend?
[23:48] <saliak_> never done ethernet bridging before
[23:48] <blkadder> The Openvpn docs?
[23:48] <blkadder> They cover this.
[23:48] <saliak_> ok, yeah, that’s what i’ve been looking at
[23:49] <saliak_> http://www.shorewall.org/bridge-Shorewall-perl.html#Bridge
[23:49] <blkadder> https://community.openvpn.net/openvpn/wiki/BridgingAndRouting
[23:50] <blkadder> That doc you posted looks pretty dated.
[23:50] <blkadder> And I am not sure what "shorewall" is.
[23:51] <blkadder> Is that the tool you are using?
[23:51] <saliak_> shorewall is the firewall i’m using
[23:51] <blkadder> I see.
[23:52] <GabrielC> will ubuntu-mate go under "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/dns/gnu/ubuntu"
[23:52] <saliak_> let me read through the one you sent and see where that gets me
[23:52] <GabrielC> ?
[23:53] <blkadder> saliak_, Sure. When I see docs referring to kernel 2.4 and 2.6 I worry that they might not be up to date. :-)
[23:53] <saliak_> fair enough :)
[23:53] <apes> Alumin: Honestly though, if you can administrate your DHCP server, it should handling the DNS updates for you.
[23:53] <GabrielC> how do i add a key to gpg after downloading it?
[23:53] <Alumin> I can't, that's the whole point
[23:53] <Alumin> no access to DHCP, and access to DNS only through a Web interface
[23:53] <apes> I mean, if you have a netops team that can set up DDNS updates correctly on it, that's the way to go
[23:54] <GabrielC> i can answer that my self lol.. gpg --import gpgpublickey.asc
[23:55] <apes> Alumin: Are you using a cloud provider?
[23:56] <Alumin> this is at work, so I'm not a customer...I'm an employee
[23:57] <saliak_> blkadder: so, according to that link you sent, i don’t need to bridge the interfaces.  i just setup iptable rules that forward the traffic into the local network?
[23:57] <blkadder> saliak_, There are multiple ways to skin the cat.
[23:57] <saliak_> blkadder: hrm interesting
[23:57] <blkadder> You need to determine exactly what you want to accomplish and then pick the best way for you.
[23:57] <apes> Alumin: Rather than hacking all this together, I would definitely recommend you pressure the networking team to set up DDNS on the DHCP server correctly.
[23:58] <den> всем привет
[23:59] <apes> пожалуйста


[06:16] <glade88> The Kubuntu wiki is a bit neglected. I'd like to work on it if any assistance is needed.
[10:38] <czajkowski> A


[00:03] <AmrH> Hey
[00:04] <Ex-Opesa> Hi.
[02:46] <will1> hi
[02:49] <will1> could anyone tell me where to find the gtk-tooltip widget
[02:50] <will1> or why i got a +b on #ubuntu
[02:54] <stlsaint> will1: you got banned from ubuntu?
[02:54] <will1> ahuh
[02:55] <stlsaint> will1: im sure a google search will guide you to the gtk-tooltip widget as i dont know what it is
[02:56] <will1> i tried but it continued to return information on not what I wanted
[02:56] <stlsaint> will1: you check synap?
[02:57] <will1> the package tool?
[02:57] <stlsaint> will1: and most mods are trigger happy in #ubuntu due to so much traffic
[02:57] <stlsaint> will1: no, Synaptic Package Manager
[02:57] <will1> i never went, i tried to join but it gave me a +b
[02:57] <will1> i think gtk-tooltip comes with ubuntu
[02:58] <will1> under the gtkrc theme file in Human it has
[02:58] <will1> widget "gtk-tooltip*"
[02:59] <stlsaint> will1: hrm, not sure to be honest with ya
[02:59] <will1> OK, no problem
[03:04] <pleia2> will1: if you wish to talk about/appeal a ban in #ubuntu, the channel you want is #ubuntu-ops
[03:06] <will1> oh thank you
[07:10] <Puck`> good morning team
[07:10] <pedro3005> morning Puck`
[07:38] <nUboon2Age> i'm experimenting w/ Tomboy.  Its pretty cool.  I can see enormous potential for making clever use of it and if it were further developed it could be downright amazing.
[07:59] <duanedesign> nUboon2Age: Tomboy is really nice. i would be lost without my Tomboy notes
[08:00] <kermiac> +1 duanedesign. I use my tomboy notes for almost everything
[08:00] <stlsaint> i dont :|
[08:00] <stlsaint> scew tomboy :P
[08:01] <stlsaint> duanedesign: hey you know of a way to install video drivers via livecd?
[08:03] <duanedesign> stlsaint: i have never done it but...
[08:03] <duanedesign> stlsaint: open softeare sources and select the cd
[08:04] <duanedesign> at the bottom of the Ubuntu Software tab
[08:04] <stlsaint> duanedesign: well i mean like go download the driver via the nvidia site and install from livecd?
[08:32] <nUboon2Age> duanedesign: i was hearing podcasters like jono bacon rave on about Tomboy.  Now i see why.  http://techie-buzz.com/utilites/tomboy-notes.html kermiac
[08:35] <kermiac> hi nUboon2Age
[08:39] <nUboon2Age> hey kermiac :)  I found out about Tomboy listening to 'Shotof Jaq' that you'd recommended to me (and some other podcasts talked about it as well).
[08:41] <kermiac> nUboon2Age: very good mate :)
[08:54] <svaksha> saji89: saw your pm. thanks.
[08:54] <saji89> svaksha, You're welcome.
[13:16] <slidinghorn> at work, so if you need me, mention me & I'll catch the highlight when I check xchat periodically
[13:35] <nitstorm> anybody there in the room? or am i jus not connected?
[13:35] <Maddeth> nitstorm: your not connected
[13:35] <Maddeth> ;)
[13:35] <Puck`> you are nitstorm (: welcome to #ubuntu-beginners
[13:35] <nitstorm> hello guys
[13:36] <nitstorm> lol
[13:36] <Maddeth> hi nitstorm
[13:36] <nitstorm> Maddeth: hi
[13:37] <nitstorm> is there a good application that is simpler to use than audacity that'll cut part of a sound file and then also can be used to add something to the beginning and end of the file
[13:37] <nitstorm> ?
[13:37] <nitstorm> or something better than audacity
[13:37] <nitstorm> ?
[13:38] <Maddeth> nitstorm: hmm
[13:39] <Maddeth> http://mediakey.dk/~cc/linux-audio-editor-top-3/
[13:39] <Maddeth> nitstorm: not had any personal use of any of them
[13:40] <nitstorm> Maddeth: i have used sweep but i couldn't understand it easily as audacity will look into ReZound
[13:40] <nitstorm> thanks Maddeth
[13:41] <Maddeth> nitstorm: no problemo
[13:42] <nitstorm> ok guys another question
[13:43] <nitstorm> is there some de or wm that is similar to gnome or xfce coz i need to do an install on a low end machine but fluxbox and openbox are really hard to use for me since i have never used them before
[13:43] <Maddeth> xfce is lightweight
[13:44] <nitstorm> it's pretty heavy on the machine
[13:44] <nitstorm> it's about 192 mb ram kinda stuff
[13:44] <Maddeth> just use the terminal :p
[13:44] <Maddeth> nitstorm: xfce should be fine on that surely?
[13:44] <nitstorm> ha ha i need to run audacity on that machine
[13:45] <nitstorm> xfce seems to be bulky on it...
[13:45] <nitstorm> takes quite a while to load
[13:45] <nitstorm> :P
[13:45] <nitstorm> i mean the apps
[13:45] <nitstorm> take a while to load
[13:48] <Maddeth> I was thinking
[13:48] <Maddeth> nevermind
[13:48] <geirha> lxde is supposedly lightweight, though I've never tried it.
[13:49] <Maddeth> still think xfce is pretty damn lightweight
[13:56] <slidinghorn> running lxde on this laptop (it's a dog) -- runs very quickly here :)
[14:04] <duanedesign> lxde is definetly lighter than xubuntu
[14:07] <slidinghorn> IMO xfce is just about as heavy as gnome itself...it's really caught on to the whole bloatware fad.  LXDE is the next generation ;)
[14:19] <duanedesign> slidinghorn: i agree
[14:19] <duanedesign> i think that was one of the reasons they developed Lubuntu
[14:20] <duanedesign> Xubuntu isn't quite 'lightweight' anymore
[14:56] <duanedesign> >:)
[14:57] <duanedesign> wb malev
[14:57] <duanedesign> oops
[14:57] <Mohan_chml> Ohai :D
[14:57] <duanedesign> wb Mohan_chml
[14:57] <malev> ?
[14:57] <Mohan_chml> duanedesign, ty :D
[14:57] <duanedesign> okay it worked :)
[14:57] <Mohan_chml> =]
[15:19] <nselvaprabhu> hi i'm a new to ubuntu
[15:19] <nselvaprabhu> ##there
[15:19] <Mohan_chml> nselvaprabhu, hello
[15:19] <nselvaprabhu> yeah
[15:31] <duanedesign> :\
[15:32] <Maddeth> slidinghorn: duanedesign, been a while since I have used xfce , so was going off past experience :)
[15:32] <Mohan_chml> duanedesign, yes?
[15:33] <duanedesign> Maddeth: :)
[15:43] <pedro3005> is anyone familiar with pastebinit?
[16:07] <duanedesign> pedro3005: a little
[16:12] <pedro3005> duanedesign, I'm failing to use the format option
[16:12] <pedro3005> to syntax highlight it as C
[16:13] <pedro3005> and I'm also not managing to set it to paste.ubuntu.com
[17:46] <phillw> hi, any of the UBT familiar with LAMP ?
[19:17] <sebsebseb> hi
[19:17] <hobgoblin> hi
[19:17] <sebsebseb> hobgoblin: hi
[19:17] <slidinghorn> howdy :)
[20:23] <alien_> hy guys
[20:24] <alien_> if i clean up my sistem will my ipod show back again in rythmbox
[20:25] <alien_> celan var cache and all tht
[20:27] <Darkness_Des> Is there anyway to incorporate the Skype notifications into notify-osd and still have sound?
[21:46] <cndr> which anti virus program would you recommend?
[21:47] <phillw> cndr: anti virus is not required for ubuntu
[21:48] <phillw> if you have WINE or download things to be used on a windows machine, then there are programmes that will take care of Windows systems
[21:49] <phillw> !antivirus
[21:49] <ubot2> Antivirus is something you don't need on !Linux, except where files are then passed to windows computers (perhaps using samba), See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Antivirus
[21:50] <cndr> I dual boot with windows, since it shipped with my computer, I want to protect my windows files from within linux
[21:52] <phillw> cndr: actually, think of it the other way round. the linux area will be there to rescue your windows area should it become infected. All the boot systems to rescue windows use linux to ensure there are no beasties when you boot.
[21:52] <phillw> (as in all the ones you pay good money for, it's all actually free)
[21:53] <cndr> so something like klamav would be enough to recover the windows partition?
[21:55] <phillw> cndr: http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=17#p20 was the last time I wrote up on the subject; we use ClamAV, but that is more for servers checking for viruses being included in attachements.
[21:58] <phillw> cndr: it is important you understand the differences between windows and linux; http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=510812 explains it much more detail
[21:59]  * Mohan_chml prays god to not to get disconnected
[22:01] <phillw> Mohan_chml: you need to pray to your local ISP & wish them good health ;-)
[22:03] <cndr> I was unaware that the antivirus programs have a high rate of false positives on ubuntu. I think I might hold off getting  an anti virus program for now, well at least until I finish reading all the links you sent me to look at. Thank you for all your help
[22:52] <bobo123> I wonder, is it possible to run linux from an file containing an image of an partition, and do it completely readonly?
[22:53] <bobo123> that is, run ubuntu from the backup of an partition I made, completly safe that the backup will not change in any way by this


[01:45] <ChinnoDog> Someone help me.. I have a saved goole map that I need to set the default view on, but I can't figure out how. Anyone know?
[02:47] <andrew> hrm
[02:48] <andrew> ChinnoDog: I know you can set the default location, but I have no idea about saved maps
[02:50] <andrew> unless you just want to be able to bookmark a link to a saved map
[05:52] <ChinnoDog> andrew: What does default location do
[05:52] <ChinnoDog> ?
[06:29] <andrew> instead of seeing all of the us when you load maps.google.com, it loads zoomed in on the set location
[16:52] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: ping
[16:53] <SamuraiAlba> IN DISNEY ORLANDO!
[16:53] <SamuraiAlba> I GOT ENGAGED LAST NIGHT!
[16:53] <SamuraiAlba> WOOWOO!
[16:53] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all!
[16:54] <MutantTurkey> good bacon to you
[16:54] <MutantTurkey> very good bacon indeed!
[16:54] <SamuraiAlba> Danke schoen
[16:56] <MutantTurkey> that is excellent new
[16:56] <MutantTurkey> s/new/newsw
[16:56] <MutantTurkey> D: can't type
[16:56] <SamuraiAlba> I proposed at the top of the world lounge during the fireworks, jsut as the fireworks made two linked hearts in the sky :)
[16:57] <MutantTurkey> damn thats good
[17:05] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: yo
[17:05] <jedijf> miss
[17:06] <rmg51> that's what happens when you spend all day sending emails ;-)
[17:06] <jedijf> lol
[17:06] <jedijf> didn't want you to feel like you missed anything
[17:06] <rmg51> now I have to read the one I just got :P
[17:09] <rmg51> what's really bad is I have the Windows lappy on so I get all you emails twice :-/
[17:10] <jedijf> that's easily fixed
[17:10] <rmg51> ignore all emails from jedijf :-D
[17:11] <jedijf> most do that anyway
[17:12] <jedijf> i just do it so i can say 'if you read the emails....'
[17:13] <jedijf> most of the recap was previously emailed during the month anyway, wasn't it?
[17:14] <jedijf> so the meeting was basically a recap of the prior emails
[17:14] <rmg51> first I saw anything about Full Circle
[17:14] <jedijf> true
[17:14] <jedijf> that has been a legitimate multi-/year/ *fail*
[17:14] <rmg51> what happened to voip?
[17:14] <jedijf> did that
[17:15] <jedijf> haha
[17:15] <jedijf> that was covered by 'don't skype me'
[17:15] <rmg51> but you didn't recap that
[17:15] <jedijf> nothin' really to recap...it just works
[17:16] <rmg51> nothing about how it went or if it even worked :-/
[17:16] <jedijf> of course it worked
[17:17] <jedijf> software is just software...install. use. concepts are for meetings. software examples for concepts, ok...
[17:17] <rmg51> I'll have to take your word for it since I wasn't there ;-)
[18:51] <InHisName> Howdy all
[20:38] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: yo
[20:38]  * jedijf will be back shortly
[22:54] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: yo


[09:46] <mihaijulien> Hello
[09:46] <mihaijulien> I am new to autopilot
[09:46] <mihaijulien> I am trying to run through the tutorial but I got stuck
[09:49] <mihaijulien> I have a simple test in a folder, along with the __init__.py file (the folder is located in ~/Test/Example). In the terminal I cd ~/Test and then I use autopilot3 list Example
[09:49] <mihaijulien> I get the following output: 0 total tests.
[09:49] <mihaijulien> Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
[22:26] <issam-wakidi> HI all, I'm making a cross plateform Qt app, I wonder if I can use autopilot for testing the app in a different platform than ubuntu ?


[08:08] <cjwatson> infinity: Could you commit your installation-guide changes to lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/installation-guide/ubuntu, please?
[08:09] <cjwatson> (And thanks)
[11:43] <infinity> cjwatson: Ahh, I didn't notice we had a branch for it.  I briefly considered doing a full merge, but it was late.
[20:13] <jkitchen> is there something like partman but for networking?
[20:13] <cjwatson> netcfg
[20:13] <jkitchen> it doesn't seem to do much though
[20:13] <cjwatson> I mean, that's the d-i component responsible for networking
[20:13] <cjwatson> It does a fair bit in d-i
[20:14] <jkitchen> here's what I'm trying to do:
[20:14] <jkitchen> during install, configure static networking between eth0/eth1 -> bond0 -> br0
[20:14] <jkitchen> which I have, and it works. Except 13.04 it's not eth0/eth1 anymore
[20:14] <cjwatson> Can be if you disable biosdevname, or you could adapt to the new world order
[20:14] <jkitchen> so I need it to be more dynamic
[20:15] <jkitchen> I'm hoping to adapt to the new world order :)
[20:15] <cjwatson> netcfg isn't capable enough for that, though, no.
[20:15] <cjwatson> So you could try to add bonding support to it, which would be worthwhile
[20:15] <cjwatson> Or hack it up with some kind of early script
[20:16] <jkitchen> with partman I have the ability to be like "take 2 of the following and make a raid+lvm: sda sdb vda vdb" and it Just Works
[20:16] <cjwatson> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=611250
[20:16] <ubot2`> Debian bug 611250 in netcfg "please support network bonding" [Wishlist,Open]
[20:17] <cjwatson> There's nothing packaged that does what you want, although it should be possible to do it in a late_command script
[20:17] <jkitchen> netcfg is only for during installation though, right? or does it also lay down a static config for you in the installed system?
[20:17] <cjwatson> It does both
[20:17] <jkitchen> ahh ok
[20:17] <cjwatson> (At least in modes where it isn't basically delegating to NM for the latter)
[20:18] <jkitchen> I don't *think* I'm using NM
[20:18] <jkitchen> I just have /etc/network/interfaces with what I need
[20:19] <jkitchen> https://gist.github.com/kitchen/6151779
[20:19] <jkitchen> anywho, I'll make it 'dynamic' in my late_command script for now
[20:20] <jkitchen> is there a preferred method of enumerating the network devices on the machine other than doing 'ip a | <parse>' ?
[20:22] <jkitchen> aha 'ip link show'
[20:22] <jkitchen> ok, I'll poke around a bit at it. thanks for your help :)
[20:22] <cjwatson> You could walk /sys/class/net/
[20:23] <cjwatson> Assuming you don't mind being Linux-specific
[20:23] <jkitchen> as opposed to? :)
[20:23] <jkitchen> this is for ubuntu installation
[20:23] <cjwatson> If you were submitting a netcfg patch to Debian then it supports some other kernels too
[20:24] <jkitchen> ahh ok, gotcha
[20:24] <cjwatson> Though no idea if they have bonding
[20:24] <jkitchen> nah, I think for now I'm gonna just hack it into my late_command script
[20:24]  * cjwatson nods
[20:25] <jkitchen> hacking on the installer itself isn't something I'm quite ready to dive into just yet