[03:07] <n-iCe> hi xrandr
 hello, i have problem with ssh
 when i ssh to ubuntu server its fine, but when i ssh to centos server it become so slow
 @devikri [when i ssh to ubuntu server its fine, but when i ssh to centos server it become …], both ubuntu server and centos under the same network
[04:40] <guiverc_o> devikri, you haven't mentioned releases for any OS (your client, nor ubuntu server, or centos server), but centos is usually older software - so I'd wonder if it relates to that..
 @guiverc_o [<guiverc_o> devikri, you haven't mentioned releases for any OS (your client, nor …], my lubuntu 18.04 my ubuntu server 16.04 and my centos 7.5.
 so is there really a problem with distro differences?
[04:45] <guiverc_o> no, nothign to do with differences, I was wondering what versions/age of software comes with each.  Ubuntu releases are pretty fresh (and easy to tell; eg. 18.04 means 2018-April), however CentOS is ~downstream of RHEL , and RHEL is way behind in software versions when compared to debian/Ubuntu... ie. age of software.  Look at versions; but your actual issue maybe something else; just a thought I offerred


[10:54] <LooserOuting> Hi. I just downloaded the mini.iso. it shopuld be a 32mb CD Image. But instead it's DVD-Image. I am trying to make a usb-install-stick with usb-creator-gtk but it fails because my usb stick is only 4gb. I wanted to report this.
[18:24] <teward> hey we don't need to be subscribed (bug control) to this do we?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/+bug/1214352
[18:31] <penguin42> teward: fun bug
[18:38] <teward> penguin42: doesn't answer my question
[18:38] <teward> penguin42: we don't need to be on an SRU bug, no?
[18:38] <teward> (we as in bug control)
[18:39] <penguin42> teward: Probably not, but it's an unusual bug in the sense that it causes weird bugs in lots of packages so it's probably useful to be aware of
[18:39] <teward> mmm
[18:40] <teward> penguin42: i emailed the bugcontrol list to specifically ask whether we need to be subscribed or not
[18:40] <teward> but meh
[18:40] <penguin42> yeh I saw it


[00:37] <Manski> Hi all! I'm trying to install a Lubuntu 20.04.2 on my Lubuntu 18.04 PC from a USB flash drive. While I'm trying to boot my PC from this USB drive, I end up getting the following error: "this kernel requires an x86-64 cpu but only detected an i686 cpu
[00:37] <Manski> "
[00:37] <Manski> What could be a problem here
[00:37] <Manski> ?
[01:01] <guiverc> Manski, Ubuntu completed dropped i386 during the 19.04/disco cycle; so existing i386 installs got updates; but new installs were not possible.  i686 implies you're on a i686 cpu & can't run amd64 code that is all that is supported from 19.10 upwards; ie. your cpu is 32-bit only.  (i386-i686 are 32-bit, amd64 is intel/amd 64-bit; named amd64 as AMD created it first)
[01:01] <guiverc> s/Ubuntu completed/Ubuntu completely ^
[01:05] <Manski> guiverc: Thanks again for your reply! My Lubuntu 18.04 is broken at the moment: it won't install system updates. Should I reinstall version 18.04 as it seems that I cannot install a higher version?
[01:07] <guiverc> I would not install 18.10 or 19.04 as they're completely EOL (i386 images existd for them); so 18.04 makes more sense (you're off-topic here as Lubuntu 18.04 support ended on 30-April-2021), so for Lubuntu - 18.04 makes the most sense (`ubuntu-support-status` will show supported packages as regards security upgrades).  Your other option is Debian (I QA-tested Debian 10 or even 11 (officially out Saturday 14-Aug-2021) in boxes I used for
[01:07] <guiverc> QA-testing Lubuntu 18.04/18.10/19.04 in i386)
[01:09] <guiverc> As Lubuntu 18.04 is now off-topic here (you can still use #ubuntu whilst 18.04 is supported), Debian is offered as an alternative
[01:09] <Manski> Is Debian as lightweight as Lubuntu?
[01:11] <guiverc> Manski, on ONE box I get far greater performance from Lubuntu than Debian 10/buster... I didn't try QA-testing Debian 11 on that box (given how badly 10/buster performed)  That was my least-powerful box; but on most they were pretty close.
[01:13] <guiverc> s/get/got ^   (buster testing was ~2 years ago...)
[01:16] <Manski> This is what I found with my Google search: " I have installed Debian with LXDE. It seems to me in my opinion more customizable, faster (responsive and less memory usage), and more lightweight than Lubuntu. Also, it makes much less disk usage noise
[01:16] <Manski> "
[01:19] <guiverc> I use both Debian & Ubuntu (I treat Lubuntu as Ubuntu)... and I rarely notice differences; I mentioned what I did as I clearly remember it; I didn't expect such a noticeable difference HOWEVER I'm very aware differences vary on CPU & hardware involved..  On pentium M, D & 4 the difference was minimal; but on 'celeron 2ghz' difference was SIGNIFICANT & in Lubuntu's favor.  On c2d, c2q & amd64 capable cpus difference was too small to be
[01:19] <guiverc> noticeable, at least to me.
[01:22] <guiverc> Debian doesn't provide snap by default (it's available if you want it), that does help size & boot time slightly... Of note: I likely ignore that difference as it's configurable by me (Lubuntu installs with no snaps though); some testers would count that as a difference as it is a valid out-of-the-box comparison point  (Lubuntu being an official flavor must have snaps installable)
[01:24] <guiverc> we're off-topic here, if you have more questions of me, please ask in #lubuntu-offtopic (18.04 isn't supported here)
[07:17] <dragon2> what is SSL?
[07:17] <dragon2> I just noticed lubuntu uses OpenSSL
[07:18] <dragon2> Has it anything too do with secure boot?
[07:24] <guiverc> openssl is an open source implementation of SSL & TLS protocols (ie. network related), where as secure boot relates to booting a PC
 Hello, i want to suggest something about lubuntu. Imo lubuntu should have better theme as default, at least to make better look to file browser and window title bar.
[07:35] <guiverc> there is a sddm theme task already (https://phab.lubuntu.me/T182)  ; it may not be readable; power outage occurred earlier that may not be fixed :(
[07:37]  * guiverc was trying to find a prior suggestion I recall for theme refresh, but can't currently find links sorry as I can't access phab
[07:59] <dragon2> I like the colibri in lubuntu
[08:01] <dragon2> the desktop environment image
[08:02] <dragon2> earlier editions of lubuntu had more details
[08:03] <dragon2> not sure what can be improved in the title bars or menu
[08:22] <frog_blu> Ciao a tutti. Ho appena installato lubuntu su una vecchia macchina (un packard 8 bell) con scheda video integrata, ma il SO sembra andare molto male. Ho assegnato alla scheda video la risorsa massima disponibile dal BIOS (512), ma non c'è verso di velocizzarlo. Consigli? Come ottimizzo da SO la scheda video (una radeon)?
[08:22] <frog_blu> Grazie a chi vorrà rispondermi.
[08:23] <apt-ghetto> !it | frog_blu
[08:25] <dragon2>  A Packard Bell ?   I don`t know if they will be able to stream videos. If you can install enough RAM it should go on the harddisk. How old is it?
[08:26] <dragon2> He quit, and in Italian
[08:28] <dragon2> I see there are newer PBs, I didn`t know they stopped making them over 15 years ago
[09:44] <dragon2_> Is lubuntu considered safe on the web? I have no particular virus protection on this computer. I have norton on my windows unit


[11:20] <moritzheiber> hey o/
[11:23] <moritzheiber> Is Denison Barbosa from the Desktop Team present in this channel? :)
[11:23] <moritzheiber> I have a question regarding a PPA of theirs


[01:16] <thumper> https://code.launchpad.net/~thumper/launchpad/moar-request-build-logging/+merge/45803
[03:25] <StevenK> thumper: There is no Tuesday morning APAC OCR
[03:25] <thumper> StevenK: oh well
[03:25] <StevenK> Which is a bug, and needs to be fixed.
[03:25] <thumper> no rush tehn
[10:22] <allenap> adeuring: Would you be able to review a mostly straightforward branch for a new view? https://code.launchpad.net/~allenap/launchpad/sub-search-ui-bug-656823-4/+merge/45824
[10:22] <adeuring> allenap: sure
[10:22] <allenap> adeuring: Thanks.
[11:18] <adeuring> allenap: r=me
[11:18] <allenap> adeuring: Thank you :)
[11:33] <henninge> adeuring: I will do StevenK's, I already looked at it yesterday.
[11:34] <henninge> just in case you were going to pick it up ...
[11:34] <adeuring> henninge: cool, thanks
[14:19] <bac> hi allenap, another go? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bac/launchpad/bug-5927/+merge/45403
[14:20] <allenap> bac: Yeah :)
[14:54] <sinzui> mrevell: can you do a UI review of https://code.launchpad.net/~thumper/launchpad/show-recipe-upload-issue/+merge/45804
[15:24] <EdwinGrubbs> leonardr, mars: is one of you oncall?
[15:24] <mars> EdwinGrubbs, I will be
[15:24] <mars> just tied up some loose ends
[15:25] <EdwinGrubbs> mars: can you review this branch when you get a chance? https://code.launchpad.net/~edwin-grubbs/launchpad/bug-664828-teammembership-delete-timeout/+merge/45805
[15:25] <mars> EdwinGrubbs, sure
[16:08] <StevenK> henninge: One assert per test makes me very very sad.
[16:09] <StevenK> henninge: But I'd argue that each test only touches one concept
[16:09] <henninge> StevenK: I said I am not insisting on that.
[16:09] <henninge> ;)
[16:09] <StevenK> henninge: Right, but it still makes me sad. :-)
[16:09] <henninge> but breaking them further down would be better.
[16:10] <StevenK> :-(
[16:10] <henninge> Sorry to make you sad :(
[16:10] <StevenK> Like I say, one concept per test
[16:11] <henninge> StevenK: the problem with many asserts in one test is that not all asserts get executed.
[16:11] <henninge> StevenK: so, when tests fail, you have to do the "fix-rerrun-fixnext" loop.
[16:12] <StevenK> Well, yeah. I've had this fun while writing them.
[16:14] <StevenK> henninge: But if you look at say, line 693 of the diff -- I seriously have to split those nine asserts into seperate tests? Which blows out the line count from 20 lines to 70? :-(
[16:15] <mwhudson> i don't think that sort of thing is the problem
[16:16] <mwhudson> the next test, starting at 714 in the diff is worse, because it's setup, exercise, verify, exercise some more and then verify again
[16:16] <mwhudson> oh actually no it's not
[16:16]  * mwhudson takes his oar out again
[16:24] <henninge> mwhudson: I agree that what you describe is the worst case but I did not find that here, either.
[16:24] <mwhudson> StevenK: did you consider writing a testtools matcher to make these assertions easier to read?
[16:25] <henninge> StevenK: *I would* split them up, also because that would be easier to read. I am not fussed about line count here.
[16:31] <StevenK> I am, because I have to write it. You just have to read it. :-)
[16:35] <henninge> :-)
[16:35] <henninge> StevenK: I see you already did a  lot of what I asked. Thanks. ;)
[16:36] <StevenK> henninge: Have I done enough, though?
[16:36] <henninge> StevenK: is that a stray self.setUpBuilds() at the end of thta test file?
[16:36] <StevenK> henninge: Er, yes. Well-spotted
[16:37] <StevenK> henninge: Fixed locally
[16:39] <henninge> StevenK: thanks. r=me ;)
[16:40] <StevenK> henninge: Thanks, let me push that fix
[16:54] <jtv> hi mars!  Can I chuck one on your queue?
[16:54] <mars> jtv, sure
[16:55] <jtv> mars: ftr it's https://code.launchpad.net/~jtv/launchpad/bug-611217/+merge/45883
[16:55] <jtv> thanks
[20:50] <EdwinGrubbs> mars: I've responded to your review
[23:41] <jcsackett> anyone available to review https://code.launchpad.net/~jcsackett/launchpad/shortlist-696913/+merge/45938?


[02:10] <Defy> INFO:phablet-flash:Device detected as A820t
[02:11] <Defy> Somebody help me
[02:20] <Defy> hello
[02:29] <imnichol> Sorry, this channel is pretty dead around 0GMT
[03:21] <tancredo> heya
[03:22] <tancredo> heya
[03:23] <tancredo> any1else is getting problems to import gcontacts to touch?
[04:14] <drachensun> this is weird /dev under android has things that aren't accessible from /dev under Linux
[04:14] <drachensun> is that expected?
[04:14] <drachensun> the EGL libraries are trying to call property_service and can't see it
[04:46] <stgraber> cwayne_: pong
[04:46] <stgraber> cwayne_: I'm only around for the next 5-10min, currently at Linux Plumbers 2013 and just got back from the closing party :)
[05:51] <AskUbuntu> Trying to flash Ubuntu touch onto my nexus 4 | http://askubuntu.com/q/348208
[07:42] <f1razer> what  proprietary software does ubuntu phone contain?
[07:43] <nhaines> None, although ports may contain binary blobs from their Android drivers.
[07:43] <f1razer> and how stable is the os?
[07:44] <nhaines> Unclear question.  The kernel is fantastically stable.  Userspace crashes recover quickly.
[08:26] <drachensun_> rsalveti: Or any one else who knows about lxc, I've got a problem I can't figure out, /dev/socket isn't being shared between the Android container and Ubuntu
[08:26] <drachensun_> I've got my device I'm porting and a Nexus 7
[08:26] <drachensun_> On the nexus 7, I can see how it works
[08:27] <drachensun_> Android binds /dev/socket to socket and socket was in the rootfs folder for lxc so Ubuntu can see it then bind it to its /dev/socket
[08:27] <drachensun_> ok
[08:28] <drachensun_> My script has the exact same entries as the nexus 7, to make this happen in init.rc
[08:28] <drachensun_> and pre-start.sh sets it up
[08:29] <drachensun_> but whenever android starts, nothing in /dev/socket shows in socket
[08:29] <drachensun_> if I manually umount and remount
[08:29] <drachensun_> it then shows in /socket
[08:29] <drachensun_> under android
[08:29] <drachensun_> but back in ubuntu /var/lib/lxc/android/rootfs/socket
[08:29] <drachensun_> its still not there
[08:30] <drachensun_> I'm really not sure what is different in my system but I really don't know how to debug this, why wouldn't things I add in Android be showing up there?
[08:57] <drachensun_> Ok, it seems I had the wrong initrd and the binary init contained was the source of the problem
[08:57] <drachensun_> so now I can see property_service
[08:57] <drachensun_> but none of my drivers loading anymore
[08:57] <drachensun_> I guess that is a problem I understand at least
[09:24] <crshbdnct> has there been a recent change to the ubuntu touch images?
[09:24] <crshbdnct> when I tried it a while ago, it was cdimage-system, and now its different, and one of the developers made a comment on reddit which piqued my interest
[11:21] <Varun> Hello
[11:22] <Varun> Anyone could help me with kernel modding for ubuntu touch?
[11:44] <Ganster41> Hi all. What's can be wrong, if ubuntu can't mount data partition. It says, /dev/block/mmcblk0p28 not found, but it present in Android with same kernel O_o
[11:50] <ogra_> ubuntu isnt android :)
[11:50] <ogra_> they use different services to maintain /dev, so they also use different names
[11:53] <Ganster41> And where I can find my EMMC partitions?
[11:53] <Ganster41> Now I have only FB console with boot log...
[12:34] <popey> ogra_: no plan to release today?
[12:34] <popey> ogra_: messaging indicator seems fixed
[12:36] <ogra_> popey, did you see the dashboard ?
[12:36] <ogra_> we drown in test errors
[12:36]  * popey clicks
[12:36] <ogra_> i'm just doing a build that should at least fix all the unity8 failures
[12:36]  * popey averts his eyes
[12:37] <ogra_> also download-manager is broken which kills all apps that use it
[12:37] <popey> erk
[12:37] <ogra_> (try to install a click package with the latest image)
[12:37]  * popey might flash back to previous day then
[12:37] <popey> going out with geeks tonight, no doubt they will all want to play with it
[12:37] <ogra_> they renamed the dbus service ... now all apps look for the old name of that service
[12:38] <popey> rather not hand them a broken device
[12:38] <ogra_> flash from the saucy channel then
[12:38] <ogra_> stable is stable :)
[12:38] <popey> wise
[12:41] <tinti> hi, is anyone working with  Nexus 7?
[12:42] <popey> tinti: wassup?
[12:43] <tinti> popey: hi, I am trying to replace the kernel to add a FTDI module. I did it ok but know the mouse cursor appears on my desktop and the touch does no works
[12:44] <tinti> Do you have any idea of which application is responsible for handling input events?
[12:44] <tinti> is it done by xinput?
[12:44] <popey> tinti: what you running on the nexus 7?
[12:44] <tinti> ubuntu touch
[12:44] <tinti> 13.04
[12:44] <tinti> should I move to saussy?
[12:44] <popey> saucy is under active development
[12:45] <popey> raring isn't
[12:45] <tinti> ok. If you dont mind can you tell me if you are using cm kernel or a patched one?
[12:46] <popey> Linux ubuntu-phablet 3.4.0-3-mako #20-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Fri Aug 16 19:00:48 UTC 2013 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux
[12:46] <tinti> do you have also a wiki or a documentation telling how to build your own from scratch ubuntu-touch?
[12:46] <tinti> mako is nexus 4 ?
[12:46] <popey> yes
[12:46] <popey> same for nexus 7 though I believe
[12:47] <popey> see porting guide link in the /topic
[12:47] <tinti> nexus 7 is called grouper or tilapia
[12:47] <popey> yes
[12:47]  * tinti RTFM tinti
[12:48] <tinti> really nice work you have being doing :)
[12:52] <tinti> popey: oh, have you moved to an Android like layout?
[12:52] <popey> Dunno what that means
[12:53] <tinti> well on precise I had only two images
[12:53] <tinti> bootimg and img which was supposed to be install on "userdata"
[12:53] <popey> ah, yes, things have changed quite a bit since raring
[12:54] <tinti> know I am seeing "recovery ", "system". "bootimg"
[12:54] <popey> we initially created a "flipped" image which boots ubuntu and keeps android drivers / bits in an lxc container
[12:54] <popey> now we are using a read-only filesystem for the ubuntu part
[12:54] <tinti> which matches with android partition layout
[12:54] <popey> which makes it easier for us to do over the air updates as diffs
[12:54] <tinti> wow
[12:54] <tinti> for sure
[12:54] <popey> thats the "ubuntu-system" mentioned on the install page
[12:54] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[12:54] <tinti> that is amazing
[12:55] <popey> that's the one we're using mostly
[12:55] <popey> it's pretty neat
[12:55] <popey> you can flip a bit to make it read-write for hacking
[12:55] <tinti> are you planing to have ubuntu for desktop/notebook on this way too?
[12:55] <popey> very easily
[12:55] <popey> I don't know.
[12:55] <ogra_> popey, hmm, is that me or is chinstrap down ?
[12:55]  * ogra_ cant reach any services
[12:55] <popey> ssh: connect to host chinstrap.canonical.com port 22: No route to host
[12:55] <ogra_> yeah
[12:55] <tinti> sounds a bit difficult, specially because many apps expect to have write access (IHMO)
[12:56] <ogra_> irc seems gone too
[12:56] <popey> tinti: not any more
[12:56] <popey> ogra_: so it has
[12:56] <ogra_> crap
[12:56] <popey> 13:56:15 < wgrant> No idea, but it's under investigation. Went down ~10 minutes ago.
[12:56] <ogra_> ah
[12:56] <ogra_> ok
[12:56] <popey> tinti: we use "click packages" which reside in /opt..
[12:56] <popey> tinti: and have restrictions on where they can write to.. app isolation
[12:57] <tshirtman> hi there, i have a nexus 7 2013, looked around to check if it was supported by the same ubuntu-touch image, but i didn't find confirmation, a few youtube video says "2013" in their name, but show a 2012 tablet, so i assume it's just here to say the guide is up to date
[12:57] <popey> tinti: lots and lots of benefits to click packages
[12:57] <popey> tshirtman: i dont think anyone has ported it yet
[12:57] <popey> not that I've heard anyhow
[12:57] <tshirtman> popey: ok, good to know, i don't want to brick my device ^^
[12:58] <popey> tshirtman: wise!
[12:58] <tshirtman> maybe the wiki should say that this only refer to the 2012 version until further notice?
[12:59] <tinti> so you are not just porting ubuntu to arm devices
[12:59] <tinti> you are aiming a full env like android
[13:00] <ogra_> tinti, we have to ... else we wouldnt be able to drive the hardware ... the drivers and kernel modifications are to different to just have a generic image that works for everyone
[13:00] <popey> tshirtman: great idea - will fix that
[13:00] <popey> tshirtman: which page in particular?
[13:01] <tshirtman> popey: i was looking at this one https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install?action=show&redirect=TouchInstallProcess
[13:01] <popey> tshirtman: cool
[13:01] <tshirtman> thanks :)
[13:01] <popey> tshirtman: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install?action=diff&rev2=65&rev1=64
[13:01] <popey> done
[13:02] <tshirtman> nice :)
[13:05] <tinti> thanks for the hints popey :)
[13:06] <popey> no problemo
[13:07]  * popey wanders off to play ouya
[13:38] <electropug> hello
[14:33] <upiferico> Is it possible to have ubuntu touch in spanish?
[14:41] <upiferico> Is it possible to have ubuntu touch in spanish?
[15:53] <AskUbuntu> How to get audio input from Ubuntu touch device? | http://askubuntu.com/q/348349
[16:04] <cwayne_> _salem, ping
[17:23] <nomism> hello. since the file system is read-only, many passages in the releasenotes seem not to be applicable anymore
[17:24] <nomism> is there some documentation aviable on the how to reobtain write mode and possible implications?
[17:40] <calgarytoad> hello all
[18:41] <Ganster41> How to update ubuntu-part of repo?
[18:42] <Ganster41> Or repo sync updates all?
[19:05] <Ganster41> Can I change Ubuntu ramdisk content? Whre it placed in sources tree?
[19:43] <daker> guys i am running saucy, the version of ubuntu-ui-toolkit-theme package 0.1.46+13.10.20130916-0ubuntu1
[19:44] <daker> but i can't use the Picker component it says module "Ubuntu.Components.Pickers" is not installed
[20:01] <Shiggs|i5-2500k> hello
[20:02] <Shiggs|i5-2500k> I have an HP TouchPad and I'm trying to install the stable build of 13.04 onto it. I found an XDA thread by castrwilliam but I can't get the uImage to boot. novaterm keeps saying it can't find the file. Any help?
[20:03] <Shiggs|i5-2500k> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2132703 <== thread in question
[20:03] <Shiggs|i5-2500k> and that I'm referring to
[20:04] <Shiggs|i5-2500k> CarlosNeyPastor: hello
[20:05] <SergenteJoker98> what's the password of the ubuntu touch?
[20:05] <SergenteJoker98> of Lois Mcqueen?
[20:05] <SergenteJoker98> on new os


[01:14] <Squirm> good evening
[11:21] <Squirm> good morning
[11:48] <klaasvakie> howzit
[11:49] <klaasvakie> I've been running ubuntu netbook remix on an old laptop, and i've upgraded to natty which i've been periodically updating after that
[11:50] <klaasvakie> after todays update though, my unity desktop is gone, and i'm seeing the gnome panels again
[11:50] <klaasvakie> unity doesn't seem to be an option in the gdm menu
[11:51] <Tonberry> i pity the team who needs to release that in a month
[11:51] <klaasvakie> and i've reinstalled ubuntu-netbook-unity-default-settings
[11:52] <klaasvakie> any other ideas?
[11:52] <klaasvakie> b.t.w. i've actually been very happy with the unity UI and before today, haven't had any issues
[11:53] <klaasvakie> never been a gnome fan, but I like unity
[11:53] <Tonberry> my first contact with unity was installing the 11.04 beta in virtualbox yesterday
[11:53] <Tonberry> so i know less than you do...
[11:54] <klaasvakie> hehe
[11:54] <klaasvakie> it's a pity because the google results are just full of people bitching about unity, I assume the useful pages are like 10 screens down
[11:59] <klaasvakie> brb, gonna try something
[12:02] <klaasvakie> beh, no luck
[12:20] <tumbleweed> klaasvakie: it's listed as "Ubuntu Desktop Edition" in gdm
[12:20] <tumbleweed> all you need is to have ubunttu-desktop installed
[12:21] <klaasvakie> tumbleweed, thanks let me try
[12:22] <|3o|3> tumbleweed: you using unity?
[12:23] <klaasvakie> tumbleweed, I don't have "Ubuntu Desktop Edition", I have "Ubuntu" and "Ubuntu Classic" and then some failsafe stuff
[12:23] <tumbleweed> |3o|3: yeah :/
[12:24] <|3o|3> tumbleweed: :D
[12:24] <|3o|3> I'm loving it
[12:24] <tumbleweed> klaasvakie: aah, it's now called "Ubuntu"
[12:25] <klaasvakie> yeah, "Ubuntu" gets me to the gnome panels
[12:25] <tumbleweed> you need supported hardware, though. I don't think unity-2d is ready
[12:25] <klaasvakie> i've been running unity for months now
[12:25] <klaasvakie> it works
[12:25] <|3o|3> tumbleweed: well, depending on how you define hardware
[12:25] <|3o|3> I mean, my netbook handles it fine :/
[12:25] <nuvolari> xfce ftw :D
[12:25] <klaasvakie> it just doesn't want to work after todays update
[12:25] <tumbleweed> klaasvakie: oh, it crashes a lot
[12:26] <marcog> tumbleweed: so wait, does that mean natty won't work without 3d acceleration?
[12:26] <tumbleweed> marcog: you don't need to use unity
[12:26] <marcog> tumbleweed: ok
[12:26] <klaasvakie> tumbleweed, no it doesn't crash, I just can't *get* into unity anymore
[12:26] <klaasvakie> when I log in I get the gnome panels
[12:26] <klaasvakie> I can't get the unity interface back
[12:27] <|3o|3> marcog: I don't has real 3d acceleration, and it works. Albeit not always THAT snappily
[12:27] <marcog> tumbleweed: are you going to be the poor sole unity "expert" at the release party? :P
[12:27] <tumbleweed> marcog: :P
[12:27] <tumbleweed> |3o|3: intel graphics works best
[12:28] <|3o|3> tumbleweed: I think I may have those yes... not sure.
[12:28] <klaasvakie> mine is running fine on a "radeon mobility"
[12:29] <marcog> klaasvakie: ati is the worst :/
[12:29] <marcog> wrt linux support
[12:29] <klaasvakie> yeah, but the new libdrm +kms stuff seems to be pretty stable
[12:29] <tumbleweed> yeah, it's got botter
[12:29] <klaasvakie> as in way better than 6 months ago
[12:29] <tumbleweed> better
[12:30] <klaasvakie> the powersaving stuff got merged in 2.6.37 which helped a lot
[12:30] <klaasvakie> and 2.6.38 seems to have added a lot of bugfixes (seeing lot less glitches etc.)
[12:30] <klaasvakie> and kms is nice :)
[12:33] <klaasvakie> ah, google seems to think that it could be a stale saved-session, brb
[13:33] <marcog> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/01/ubuntu1004_beta_review/
[13:33] <marcog> :-/
[13:36] <Tonberry> i pity the devs
[13:37] <Tonberry> that need to release that
[13:37] <Tonberry> so very very soon
[13:37] <marcog> i'm glad i've skipped over this problem by switching to xmonad :)
[13:38] <Tonberry> haha
[13:38] <Tonberry> perhaps it is time that i should as well
[13:39] <marcog> most the people i know that have tried it out have loved it
[13:39] <marcog> and never gone back
[13:39] <Tonberry> with a default config?
[13:39] <marcog> maybe in 2 years time unity will be better and worth trying out
[13:39] <Tonberry> or with a customised one?
[13:39] <marcog> nah, i configure it a lot
[13:39] <Tonberry> ah
[18:30] <Kilos> evening everyone
[18:30] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[18:30]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[18:31] <Kilos> hey Squirm howzit going
[18:31] <Squirm> hey there Kilos
[18:31] <Squirm> how you doing?
[18:31] <Kilos> well ty
[18:35] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[18:35] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[18:35] <Maaz> You're Welcome I'm sure
[19:19] <nuvolari> Kilos!!
[19:19] <nuvolari> :>
[19:19] <nuvolari> naand oom
[19:19] <Kilos> lo nuvolari gaan dit goed
[19:20] <nuvolari> dit gaan goed dat ek oom nou weer vir 'n slag sien
[19:20] <nuvolari> hoe gaan dit met oom?
[19:20] <Kilos> ja ek is min hier op die oomblik ook seun
[19:20] <Kilos> kom groet net elke paar daie
[19:20] <Kilos> goed dankie
[20:04] <tumbleweed> gimp in unity => kak
[21:16] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[22:07] <Squirm> lo
[23:15] <WezzoG> hey


[00:06] <Fuseteam> is appstream still in developement?
[00:36] <pragmaticenigma> Fuseteam: AppStream is a specification, there is nothing being "developed" as a program
[00:47] <korubii> I think k3b muffed my gnome panel
[01:02] <WaV> https://pastebin.com/FJzG4cLM
[01:02] <WaV> So I have a Lenovo P52 and I keep getting an update notification for a Lenovo P53. Can anyone provide any insight?
[01:04] <WaV> https://pastebin.com/Fh4CbnAR - This one also comes up as well.
[01:04] <WaV> This is from the Ubuntu Software Center
[01:08] <the-wes> anyone know how to make lightdm's guest account feature not create a tmpfs for its home directory?
[01:08] <the-wes> I like it being in /tmp but not so much being limited to 7gb
[01:14] <sarnold> WaV: weird :/
[01:15] <sarnold> WaV: all those updates come from https://fwupd.org/lvfs/devices/com.lenovo.ThinkPadN2CET.firmware .. https://fwupd.org/lvfs/devices/com.lenovo.ThinkPadN2NETXXP.firmware etc
[01:22] <WaV> sarnold: It is weird. Look at the filename in comparison to the description.
[01:22] <WaV> Filename
[01:22] <WaV> Lenovo-ThinkPad-P52P72-SystemFirmware-1.31.cab
[01:22] <WaV> Description
[01:22] <WaV> crap sorry
[01:23] <WaV> Anyway description says P53.
[01:24] <sarnold> OH
[01:24] <sarnold> I missed that the description did indeed look wrong :)
[01:24] <WaV> I mean it doesn't look like an important update, so I've been ignoring it for a while.
[01:25] <WaV> Kinda hoping something else comes along and makes this update "obsolete"
[01:25] <Fuseteam> pragmaticenigma: interesting so it should be adopted?
[01:28] <pragmaticenigma> Fuseteam: I'm sorry, but such discussions aren't really meant for this channel. If you really want to learn more you can look it up here: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Distributions/AppStream/ or ask in a development based channel by searching with !alis
[01:33] <tomreyn> WaV: please file a bug, fwupd / lvfs is still somewhat young and this needs to be fixed, since these are indeed different hardwares with different bios updates.
[01:34] <tomreyn> https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/us/en/products/laptops-and-netbooks/thinkpad-p-series-laptops/thinkpad-p52-type-20m9-20ma/downloads/DS504024
[01:34] <tomreyn> https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/us/en/products/laptops-and-netbooks/thinkpad-p-series-laptops/thinkpad-p53-type-20qn-20qq/downloads/DS540999
[01:36] <tomreyn> WaVlooks like only the LVFS description is wrong actually.
[01:42] <WaV> tomreyn: How did you determine that? By the version number? (EX: P53 only have v1.19 available)
[01:42] <tomreyn> looks like lenovo re-released the latest bios update version (1.31 as <IP_ADDRESS>) yesterday due to a resume issue on linux
[01:43] <tomreyn> WaV: yes, very different version numbers, changelogs between these models.
[01:47] <WaV> Do you feel that it is still worthy of a bug submission?
[01:47] <sarnold> yes
[01:47] <sarnold> it feels important to me to get the descriptions on these things right
[01:48] <sarnold> otherwise people might not install updates :)
[01:48] <sarnold> I just don't know how or where to report the issue
[01:48] <WaV> Yea, me either tbh.
[01:49] <tomreyn> maybe against lvfs first of all? could cc the address given on the footer of https://fwupd.org/lvfs/docs/users
[01:50] <tomreyn> i mean against fwupd
[01:51] <WaV> Got it. Will submit.
[01:52] <tomreyn> https://fwupd.org/lvfs/newaccount lists another e-mail address, but i think it's really a single person (Richard Hughes) project.
[01:53] <DarkTrick> (A) Is this "normal"?  When I plug in my USB microphone the Xorg process runs up to 100% CPU for 1 ～ 2 minutes. After that two pulseaudio process are running on 10% CPU each.  (using xubuntu)
[01:53] <tomreyn> WaV: in case you have a github account: https://github.com/fwupd/lvfs-website/issues
[01:54] <tomreyn> DarkTrick: probably not, but it could depend on the cpu, too.
[01:54] <sarnold> at least dell's superm1 is involved with the project at some level; he was quite active participant in the MIR https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fwupd/+bug/1536871  (fun fact, I thought superm1 was a co-worker at the time; it's a fun story of how enthusiastic community people can make things happen in ubuntu :)
[01:55] <mulletman> Hi, in bash I seem to remember a way to make the output of ls show a * beside executable files and a / beside directories but i cant for the life of me remember how to do this?
[01:56] <sarnold> mulletman: ls -F
[01:56] <sarnold> DarkTrick: no usb microphone here but the xorg bit feels surprising anyway
[01:56] <sarnold> DarkTrick: the pulseaudio part is less surprising, but it might still be weird
[01:57] <mulletman> sarnold, ... RTFM (a bit closer next time i guess). Thank you.
[01:57] <WaV> tomreyn: I do not have a github account, but I just an email off to Richard.
[01:57] <DarkTrick> tomreyn, Core i5, 4 cores
[01:57] <sarnold> mulletman: no worries, hehe :)
[01:57] <tomreyn> WaV: very well
[01:58] <mtetreault> I added a udev rule for a USB device that changes mode at runtime. The only thing that my udev rule does is changing the owner\group of the /dev/rawdevice. The issue that I am having is that it is done in two steps. First the kernel load the device as root:root and on a second step it is change to user:user. Is there a way to have this happen on a single step?
[01:58] <sarnold> mtetreault: not that I know of
[01:58] <DarkTrick> (A) sarnold, tomreyn: thank you for the feedback. I will do some more testing and open a launchpad bug. (except if you'd advice me otherwise)
[01:58] <tomreyn> DarkTrick: hmm, this sounds wrong then. check the output added on     journalctl -f    while you plug it in
[01:59] <DarkTrick> (A) tomreyn, sec
[01:59] <WaV> Now that's squared away, I'll go ahead and update.
[02:00] <mtetreault> sarnold: I guess I'll have the software that waits on the change to also check for the owner|groupe change. I though it was a little bit hackish, but if it's the only way.
[02:00] <tomreyn> WaV: so you don't use hibernation?
[02:01] <mtetreault> sarnold: Just a thought, how does the kernel choose to mount a device as root:root? Are they all mounted root:root then a udev is required to change that behavior?
[02:01] <sarnold> mtetreault: that's my assumption, yeah
[02:02] <mtetreault> sarnold: alright, thanks for your time :)
[02:02] <WaV> I don't use it, no. I would be updating just to update.
[02:02] <WaV> tomreyn: ^
[02:02] <sarnold> mtetreault: don't go just yet ;)
[02:03] <DarkTrick> (A) tomreyn, I can't really read anything informative out of that: https://pastebin.com/Ph1gnmzk
[02:03] <mtetreault> sarnold: I am not going anywhere:P
[02:03] <WaV> But that version of the update isn't even available through software center anyway.
[02:03] <sarnold> mtetreault: there's a systemd.device manpage that describes something that might be useful for you, the systemd tagging mechanism
[02:03] <tomreyn> WaV: okay, i just wanted to point this out since the update on lvfs is at the last but one version still, the latest one (released yesterday) is njot available there, yet
[02:03] <sarnold> mtetreault: alright cool ;) I just iddn't want you to pop off while I was typing something longish, hehe
[02:04] <WaV> tomreyn: Understood :) Thanks for looking into it with me.
[02:04] <mtetreault> sarnold: the systemd.device? You got my attention, I never heard of this, and I haven't stumble on this while searching!
[02:05] <sarnold> mtetreault: man 5 systemd.device -- I don't actually understand this very well, like most systemd things it's both too verbose and too concise. heh. but I *think* you ought to be able to wait for the udev rule to have finished running before systemd then starts up whatever depends upon this device
[02:07] <tomreyn> DarkTrick: this doesn't look wrong to me other than alsa restore failing (but this doesn't seem critical either). all those lines were logged withion a second, so it's unclear why Xorg would consume a lot of CPU cycles as a result there.
[02:08] <sarnold> you could try perf top to try to see what xorg is doing
[02:08] <tomreyn> you'Re welcome, WaV
[02:08] <DarkTrick> (A) sarnold, what do you with "perf top"?
[02:08] <mtetreault> sarnold: this is super interresting. I am not  sure I fully understand this neither. But the way I understand this, it could allow me to run my application each time the device is detected.
[02:09] <sarnold> mtetreault: yeah, that's about what it would do
[02:11] <sarnold> DarkTrick: perf top can generate a profile of what the CPU is currently busy doing, and periodically shows you a summary like http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SmHKQWSQzR/
[02:12] <sarnold> DarkTrick: if the program sucking up all the CPU time has descriptively named functions, it can sometimes show you pretty quick what's going on
[02:12] <sarnold> DarkTrick: or it could be an exercvise in futility trying to figure out what's going on :) but it's a pretty useful debugging tool
[02:12] <DarkTrick> (A) sarnold, a very interesting tool!
[02:13] <DarkTrick> (A) sarnold, I guess I'm better not running many other applications while using that, correct?
[02:13] <sarnold> DarkTrick: there's better tools available, but they're more work to use correctly; if you've got some spare time some day, this might be worth a quick skim :) http://www.brendangregg.com/FlameGraphs/cpuflamegraphs.html
[02:14] <sarnold> DarkTrick: if you're doing media transcoding or something, probably best to stop those. but if you've just got a hundred mostly idle applications running, that's probably fine
[02:17] <DarkTrick> (A) sarnold, thank you for the help so far! I g2g to work now, but I'll do a run of perf top later and probably come back with new information
[02:18] <sarnold> DarkTrick: cool, have fun :)
[02:43] <supercom32> Is there a difference between installing Ubuntu Mate Vs Ubuntu + ubuntu-mate-desktop?
[02:46] <sarnold> probably nothing to worry about too much
[02:46] <supercom32> Will I be compromising myself in terms of updates or something else I'm not foreseeing? Or do they both use the same repos and such?
[02:46] <sarnold> that ought to be identical once installed
[02:47] <supercom32> I assume Ubuntu Mate has more customization applied to it by default, while using the later path, you have to set that up yourself.
[02:47] <supercom32> For example, I had missing icons and such.
[02:57] <sarnold> supercom32: that's strange; that's probably worth a bug report against whichever installation method you used :)
[04:20] <DarkTrick> (A) Could it be possible, that top does not show all running processes?
[04:21] <DarkTrick> (A) I have a CPU usage of roughly 20% (shown), but the fan starts to run like it's around 80%
[04:22] <DarkTrick> (A) as the gnome-system-monitor is totally wrong about its display, I'm becoming skeptical of top as well
[04:22] <lordcirth_> DarkTrick, perhaps the GPU is running hot?
[04:22] <sarnold> DarkTrick: (a) yes, but those situations are rare -- either the proc filesystem has been mounted with hidepid=1 or hidepid=2, or top is being confined by an apparmor profile, or similar, or the system is compromised and a rootkit installed
[04:23] <DarkTrick> lordcirth_, that would imply some kind of graphical app?
[04:23] <sarnold> DarkTrick: (b) maybe; fans are often controlled based on a variety of inputs, so try to prevent wild temperature oscillations
[04:23] <DarkTrick> (A) sarnold, I don't understand the full depth, but: is there a way to show all?
[04:24] <DarkTrick> (A) sarnold: a! this could be it..
[04:24] <DarkTrick> (A) I can see an oscillation between 5 and 30% sometimes. maybe top is not updating fast enough
[04:25] <DarkTrick> (A) Putting that asside:
[04:25] <DarkTrick> (A) sarnold, I tried perf top: https://pastebin.com/LjgtCTJK
[04:25] <DarkTrick> (A) I wrote down xorg and kernel stuff that gathered on the top
[04:26] <DarkTrick> (A) is that helpful in some kind of way?
[04:29] <sarnold> DarkTrick: yeah, top samples every two seconds or something; processes that come and go between samples won't show up at all in top
[04:29] <sarnold> DarkTrick: I'm surprised those are showing up in the profile; what percentages did they have?
[04:31] <Bashing-om> DarkTrick: The -s switch in top can change the interval .
[04:32] <DarkTrick> (A) sarnold DeletePassiveGrabFromList: 3 ~ 5%
[04:32] <DarkTrick> ResourceClientBits: around 5%
[04:33] <DarkTrick> GrabMatchesSecond: 3 ~ 5%
[04:33] <DarkTrick> And a new one I just saw, Kernel: trace_raw_output_kvm_inj_virq: around 7 ~ 8%
[04:35] <DarkTrick> Bashing-om, it was -d :) Thank you :)
[04:50] <DarkTrick> sarnold, Thank you for mentioning the hidepid mount option for proc. I didn't know about that!
[04:53] <sarnold> DarkTrick: cool stuff, right? :)
[04:53] <DarkTrick> yes!
[04:55] <sarnold> alright, time to bail :)
[05:35] <MonsieurBon> Hi all
[05:36] <MonsieurBon> My computer is not shutting down properly. It get's stuck on the ubuntu logo and the 5 dots keep flashing forever. The only thing that resolves this, is to forcibly power off the computer. I have no trouble shutting down Windows on the same computer. How can I check what might be blocking a proper shutdown?
[05:39] <Scytale89> use the arrow keys during the splash screen to see system messages.  You may see a message with an error or timeout
[05:42] <MonsieurBon> There's no error. This is the last entry: [OK] Stopped Permit User Sessions.
[05:46] <guiverc> MonsieurBon, I don't know, but I'd try shutdown via terminal (eg. `sudo shutdown -h now`) to validate shutdown works; I'd NOT use poweroff; do sysrq keys not work??  (ie. I'd opt for safely shutdown not having power cut by PSU)
[05:48] <MonsieurBon> guiverc, I'm using the power cut, because nothing else works. The behavior is the same whether I use the gui to shutdown or reboot or whether I use the console (sudo shutdown -h now / sudo reboot)
[05:49] <MonsieurBon> guiverc, the shutdown process stops showing the splash screen forever. Using the arrow keys to show the log just shows green [OK] entries. No errors.
[05:52] <guiverc> and [magic] sysrq keys don't allow clean shutdown?  (ie. kernel issues, or did kernel actually shutdown... clues.. instead of power-off)
[05:54] <guiverc> MonsieurBon, https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=617349 maybe helpful for sysrq keys; I used [magic] as I find it helpful in finding wikipedia article that is also a pretty good reminder for key combinations to direct kernel
[05:59] <MonsieurBon> guiverc, the magic sysrq + RSEIUB worked. But it's a bit tedious to have to press that everytime to shutdown the computer. :-)
[06:02] <Bashing-om> MonsieurBon: systemd way: try as ' systemctl poweroff ' .
[06:02] <guiverc> MonsieurBon, I concur - but it's a HUGE clue.   it means your shutdown didn't die as you seemed to infer (to me anyway); it was waiting for something most probably; kernel is still up & kicking (thus could react to keystrokes). thanks Bashing-om
[06:03] <Bashing-om> guiverc: We do need to find some hints - somewhere :D
[06:04] <ducasse> MonsieurBon: try this workaround, as this might be an acpi problem - http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[06:06] <MonsieurBon> Bashing-om, guiverc systemctl poweroff has the same effect as shutdown -h now
[06:06] <Bashing-om> MonsieurBon: ducasse ^^ +1 :D
[06:23] <MonsieurBon> ducasse, Ok I tried the acpi workaround, but now it's not booting anymore... also I didn't have this problem from the very beginning. shutdown used to work fine...
[06:29] <MonsieurBon> ducasse, using Windows 2013 instead of Windows 2015 does boot the computer, but shutdown still doesn't work
[06:33] <SlowYellowLorry8> Hi.. I have been trying to install Ubuntu since yesterday on my new build with no success.  I have 2 NVME SSD's, and I already have Windows 10 installed on the first one.  I want to install Ubuntu on the second.
[06:34] <SlowYellowLorry8> At this point, I don't care if it's UEFI or CSM.. just want something to work :|  The bootable Ubuntu USB I created seems to work, can "try Ubuntu" or get to the installation.  Just that when I actually install, and then try to boot from that drive, it doesn't recognize it as a boot device
[06:35] <SlowYellowLorry8> I've tried so many different ways.. I even installed Windows 10 again on the second drive to make sure that works (it does).  Any ideas?
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> SlowYellowLorry8: try advanced partitioning for nvme
[06:35] <SlowYellowLorry8> You mean "something else" ?  I generally do that
[06:35] <MonsieurBon> Sorry, I got disconnected
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> !uefi | SlowYellowLorry8 see also
[06:37] <MonsieurBon> ducasse, should I keep trying all the old windows versions? It's a fairly new computer (1 year).
[06:38] <SlowYellowLorry8> lotuspsychje I've seen this.  Issue I'm facing is that when I boot the USB with UEFI (even though it seems to be recognized as UEFI USB), it gets stuck on "couldn't get uefi db list" before the installation.
[06:39] <SlowYellowLorry8> So i thought non-uefi might be easier.. I tried that (booting USB with CSM, using just swap, /, /home partitions, etc.)
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> SlowYellowLorry8: if you cant proceed on ubuntu partitioning, its mainly uefi settings
[06:39] <SlowYellowLorry8> but still get the "select boot device error"
[06:40] <SlowYellowLorry8> lotuspsychje when I boot USB with UEFI, it gets stuck before the partitioning part.. it is right after selecting Install the first time
[06:58] <gbellinoz> Weirdest thing... notify-send --urgency=critical works from the CLI and from an at job, but not from a cron job - displays as urgency normal. Any ideas?
[07:25] <ducasse> gbellinoz: https://askubuntu.com/questions/471479/cannot-run-a-gui-app-from-cron/471516
[07:42] <x4ec7> hello guys, I encountered a very weird problem, I cannot access to folder even with mode 777 inside of container, docker image is based on centos, docker version is 17.05, host os is ubuntu:14.04.ls -n -la | grep airflow ==> drwxrwxrwx   35 1002 1004 4096 Dec 18 13:21 airflow
[07:42] <x4ec7> ==>  bash: cd: airflow: Permission denied
[07:46] <amosbird> hello, why does my 480GB ssd disk suddenly report that its size is only 32KB
[07:56] <pagnol> if my wireless network connection only works briefly after doing `service network-manager restart`, what could be the cause?
[08:02] <pagnol> some kind of dns issue apparently
[08:02] <pagnol> because I can ping my router
[08:12] <miu5> hi, how do you know if a package is installed via the repo or via a .deb package?
[08:12] <ducasse> miu5: 'apt policy packagename'
[08:17] <pagnol> for as long as I can think Ubuntu's UI to manage wireless network connections has been really aggravating
[08:17] <pagnol> for example in 18.04 which I'm using right now, the UI freezes periodically and the entries are jumping around, so hitting the settings button for a particular network is like an arcade game
[08:18] <miu5> ducasse, another question.  If i have installed a package via source, ubuntu upgrade cmd keeps wanting to over-ride the newer version with an older repo version. how can i stop that annoyance?
[08:18] <pagnol> and when a connection can't be established, you have to use dmesg to find out why
[08:19] <ducasse> miu5: make the version number higher or hold the package
[08:19] <miu5> ducasse, the version number is higher, so i dont understand why it tries to override it.
[08:20] <ducasse> miu5: then the older version must have a higher priority
[08:20] <miu5> i created a .deb package from source but after installing the .deb package, it wants to 'upgrade' it to the older version
[08:21] <ducasse> miu5: anyway, 'apt-mark hold package' is the easy fix
[08:21] <miu5> yea
[08:24] <Kharec> 'morning
[08:48] <gbellinoz> ducasse: It's not that I can't run it... it runs, but ignores the "critical" command line parameter for some reason.  Suspend stopped working on my 16.04 machine in one of the recent apt upgrades. When I try to suspend it goes to blackscreen and then crashes / shuts down. `last` shows crash as a shutdown reason. I don't know where I could see further error messages to start troubleshooting.
[09:03] <ducasse> gbellinoz: btw, you know you can just do 'DISPLAY=:0 /usr/bin/notify-send ...', right?
[09:03] <gbellinoz> good point.
[09:04] <gbellinoz> but i'm pretty sure it's not a DISPLAY problem since it's being allowed, right?
[09:04] <ducasse> no, shouldn't be
[09:04] <gbellinoz> super weird.
[09:05] <gbellinoz> i might try another window manager
[09:05] <ducasse> maybe it's getting the config from a different place, due to env differences
[09:05] <gbellinoz> could be. I wonder if there's another indication that it's "critical" other than its color...
[09:05] <gbellinoz> xwininfo maybe.
[09:07] <ducasse> maybe it sets the urgency hint
[09:07] <gbellinoz> dbus stuff is a bit over my head
[09:07] <gbellinoz> well, i've never looked into it, I should say.
[09:08] <gbellinoz> even if i wrap the notify-send call up in a little bash script, so there's no cron parsing funny business, same thing.
[09:10] <ducasse> you can try specifying an icon with -i, see if that shows up
[09:13] <fkhell> if i look at /var/syslog.1 it shows no errors at the end of the crashed session, last message is rsyslogd was HUPed - I think it might be a change brought in kernel 4.4.0-170 since -169 had a runtime of 10 days with suspend
[09:24] <H2Q> hello, anyone familiar with owncloud?
[09:25] <H2Q> I get internal server error after initial setup screen, with this log error; https://paste.debian.net/plainh/a9858335
[09:26] <H2Q> brb
[09:35] <fkhell> oh and reboot does not work on the same system (but from the start) it stops at 3 red dots, 2 white dots under the ubuntu logo and then halts forever. is that an indication of where the error might be?
[09:47] <gbellinoz> ducasse: yep, icons work from cron.
[09:48] <ducasse> gbellinoz: then it must be getting its configuration from a different place
[09:48] <pagnol> ls
[09:58] <DarkTrick> I want to find out why plugging a mic rises Xorg to 100% CPU
[09:58] <DarkTrick> I want to use flamegraph and perf top for that
[09:58] <DarkTrick> Question: can I receive the same information with `perf record` as with `perf top` ?
[09:59] <DarkTrick> If I understand correctly: "top" shows the recording on screen. "record" puts it into a file.  is that correct?
[10:15] <fkhell> I tried to get grub to boot into the 169 kernel by default (since it does not recognize keystrokes at bootup), and set grub_default to "Advanced options for Ubuntu>Ubuntu, mit Linux 4.4.0-169-generic" which update-grub did not complain about. but it booted into -170. How can I fix that?
[10:29] <fkhell> the submenu string was localized as well, but update-grub gave me a warning before that suggested I fix it the way I typed it above
[10:32] <fkhell> so -169 boots now but suspend still does not work. something else must have changed :(
[10:58] <lotuspsychje> fkhell: booting a previous kernel should not be a permanent solution, but testing purposes instead
[10:59] <lotuspsychje> fkhell: if the current kernel has issues, ask here or file a !bug against
[11:00] <fkhell> the only bug i found was the non-translated autogenerated suggestion from update-grub
[11:00] <lotuspsychje> suggestion?
[11:00] <fkhell> the old kernel also does not do suspend (any longer). might be due to a broken power button
[11:00] <fkhell> i input the default without specifying the submenu
[11:01] <fkhell> it suggested the non-translated sub menu as a warning
[11:01] <fkhell> brb
[11:07] <EriC^> fkhell: you can test power button by running the command for suspend
[11:41] <Kharec> cp ansible.cfg.dist ansible.cfg
[11:41] <Kharec> woops
[11:41] <Kharec> not for you guys
[11:46] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:55] <melatonina> Hello. Clipboard copy (keyboard or menu) is malfunctioning on my Ubuntu system, I have to copy 2, 3 or 4 times before I can actually paste. Is there a way to fix this?
[11:56] <melatonina> I upgrade to the latest release but this problem persists
[11:57] <melatonina> I copied "19.10" from the "Details" dialog five times but I could not paste it
[12:10] <WaV> sarnold & tomreyn: FYI, I've received a response from Richard: "I've sent them an email just now, it should be fixed pretty soon. I've also reminded them of the update style guide :)" | By "them," I'm assuming he means Lenovo.
[12:12] <lotuspsychje> WaV: wich issue was that about please, ill forward your feedback
[12:13] <WaV> LVFS bug. An update for a Lenovo P52 was listed in the description of the update as being for a Lenovo P53 instead of a Lenovo P52.
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> ok tnx WaV
[12:31] <ice9> what should be the value of "set root=" in grub.cfg?
[12:31] <oerheks> !grub
[12:33] <lotuspsychje> !uuid | ice9 see also
[12:35] <oerheks> ice9, why do you ask, i guess this is machine install dependent
[12:35] <ice9> oerheks, because i'm trying to encrypt /boot
[12:36] <oerheks> lvm & luks?
[12:46] <ice9> oerheks, yes
[13:21] <DarkTrick> sarnold, I used flamegraph for an analysis of Xorg when I plug in my mic
[13:21] <DarkTrick> sarnold: https://0x0.st/z0QV.svg
[13:25] <DarkTrick> sarnold, There is this huge pile of [unknown]. Strange, but also there, if no mic is plugged
[13:26] <DarkTrick> sarnold: Just as a comparison: Without plugged mic
[13:28] <DarkTrick> https://0x0.st/z0Qt.svg
[13:33] <romanparish> #reddit
[13:39] <Emery> I seem to be having an issue with my touchpad, it responds when it wants to, and when it does it's very slow. I've checked my mouse preferences changed the speed and accel to full, still the same problem.
[13:41] <pragmaticenigma> Emery: Have you tried plugging in an external mouse and seeing if you experience the same behavior?
[13:41] <Emery> I don't have one to hand right now
[13:42] <pragmaticenigma> I'd suggest trying with an external mouse to help rule out what might be causing the issue. If the touchpad worked fine before and suddenly started this behavior, check for recent updates. If you have installed any new software and/or drivers remove them.
[13:46] <Emery> Well it works fine on Windows, so the problem is a Linux issue for sure.
[13:48] <Emery> OK, so I found a mouse, it is an issue with the touchpad
[13:48] <Emery> I do have xorg synaptics installed
[14:01] <zzzoid> hi
[14:02] <zzzoid> i'm using the latest ubuntu and it says my wired connection is not managed
[14:02] <zzzoid> I have followed everything I can find on google. but it doesnt make a difference
[14:05] <cryptodan> zzzoid: are you using netplan or some other means to create your network?
[14:06] <zzzoid> i'm not using anything directly
[14:07] <zzzoid> just whatever ubuntu 19.10 is using
[14:07] <zzzoid> why would connections not be managed by default.. seems weird
[14:09] <zzzoid> how can I know if I'm using netplan?
[14:10] <zzzoid> if I go to settings>network>
[14:10] <zzzoid> I only see VPN settings
[14:10] <zzzoid> and if I open the updater I get message saying internet not available..  but clearly it is
[14:21] <zzzoid> NetworkManager.conf says managed
[14:21] <zzzoid> managed=true
[14:25] <zzzoid> netplan config has renderer: NetworkManager
[14:26] <zzzoid> running  sudo service network-manager restart
[14:26] <zzzoid> doesnt help
[14:26] <zzzoid> still says unmanaged
[14:26] <zzzoid> :(
[16:07] <V3rtigo> which is a good irc client for ubuntu, at least which ones have regular updates?
[16:08] <coconut> V3rtigo: fractional, hexchat, weechat?
[16:10] <V3rtigo> I think hexchat doesn't had an update since Aug 2018
[16:11] <coconut> V3rtigo: probably weechat then... if updates are important to you.
[16:18] <V3rtigo> besides that terminal based irc client, is there another, a bit more graphical then weechat?
[16:18] <oerheks> on 18.04 is is pretty old, but eoan 19.10 is up2date
[16:18] <oerheks> !info hexchat eoan
[16:21] <V3rtigo> !info hexchat eoan
[16:21] <tomreyn> !info hexchat bionic
[16:22] <analogical> hi do you know how to register a nick?
[16:22] <tomreyn> !register | analogical
[16:22] <oerheks> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=hexchat ..
[16:24] <V3rtigo> oerheks isn't that version from 2018 as the site says? (https://hexchat.github.io/news.html)
[16:27] <oerheks> seems so, yes
[16:28] <V3rtigo> oerheks ok, thanks anyway
[16:59] <coconut> V3rtigo: fractal had an update in november 2019 -> https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.gnome.Fractal
[17:00] <pragmaticenigma> coconut: Are you experiencing an issue? Is there a question that we can help you with?
[17:01] <pragmaticenigma> coconut: Sorry... forgot that was a continuation from a conversation earlier
[17:01] <coconut> it was, but no problems
[17:06] <slyrobot> I am on Kubuntu 19.10 and want to install chromium-browser but not from snap.
[17:06] <leftyfb> slyrobot: why not from snap?
[17:07] <slyrobot> Benefits of snap ?
[17:07] <leftyfb> slyrobot: Benefits of dpkg ?
[17:08] <slyrobot> leftyfb: familiarity.
[17:08] <oerheks> chromium is now only by snap, iirc
[17:08] <elias_a> Snap is much more sleek and modern packaging method.
[17:08] <leftyfb> slyrobot: in this case, the benefit is, the chromium-browser package is available as a snap. It's not as a .deb
[17:09] <slyrobot> Thank you. Snap it is.
[17:09] <elias_a> No reason to be afraid of snap. :)
[17:09] <oerheks> snaps are independent updated
[17:10] <coconut> V3rtigo: and here's how to install flatpak packages from ubuntu https://flatpak.org/setup/Ubuntu/ if you want to go that road.
[17:10] <leftyfb> coconut: flatpak isn't supported here
[17:10] <oerheks> meh, flatpak has disadvantages
[17:11] <oerheks> but for all package versions; one myust trust the owner.
[17:11] <coconut> oh... didn't knew... oh well it is the only install way possible, at least for fractal i believe.
[17:13] <coconut> V3rtigo: sorry, what i shared with you is "not supported" here... (but you can still install it if you like - only no support questions after installing it)
[17:26] <FingerlessGloves> Hi, I've got Ubuntu 19.04 installed, UEFI Boot (SecureBoot Off). I've got the grub timeout set to 1 second, but the countdown doesn't start for 5 or more seconds. before it load initramfs. I can't seem to workout why this is happening. Anyone seen this before or got any ideas?
[17:58] <alkisg> Hi, does anyone know of any known bugs/workarounds that make my new lenovo i7 laptop have extremely slow disk performance in Linux?
[17:58] <alkisg> Like, 10 MB/sec instead of 100+ MB/sec. dmesg: https://termbin.com/h93e
[17:58] <alkisg> USB disks aren't affected, e.g. a usb2 disk has 30+ MB/sec
[17:58] <alkisg> Maybe something with the sata driver...
[17:59] <CreeperZ> maybie
[18:03] <tomreyn> alkisg: did you check mainboard and storage firmware upgrades, yet?
[18:03] <FingerlessGloves> alkisg I see that laptop has a WD Blue HDD in it
[18:03] <FingerlessGloves> should be able to about 100mb/s
[18:04] <nixfreak> When installing ubuntu 16 I am using the guided LVM, does that include creating a filesystem also or just LVM?
[18:04] <tomreyn> !yy.mm | nixfreak
[18:05] <nixfreak> When installing ubuntu 16 LTS  I am using the guided LVM, does that include creating a filesystem also or just LVM?
[18:05] <alkisg> tomreyn: I tried the internal uefi update from the internet, it downloaded the latest version, no change; re: storage firmware, how to do that?
[18:05] <FingerlessGloves> alkisg, just gonna say, have you tried Windows?
[18:05] <alkisg> FingerlessGloves: yeah, it's dual boot, on windows it's fine, it only has the problem on linux
[18:06] <alkisg> I'm pretty sure it's a kernel problem, but I can't find any workarounds on google...
[18:06] <alkisg> Except trying an older kernel; someone said that 4.14 worked for him
[18:06] <alkisg> (downloading as we speak...)
[18:07] <nixfreak> so If I create multiple partitions using commandline and create logical volumes but no mkfs , does LVM need a filesystem or is LVM a filesystem in it self
[18:07] <nixfreak> can LVM work without a Filesystem?
[18:07] <tomreyn> alkisg: to check for storage firmware updates, visit the website of the storage vendor and look for any.
[18:07] <FingerlessGloves> nixfreak, filesystem is required
[18:08] <alkisg> tomreyn: this usually means "download windows drivers"; what would that mean for linux?
[18:08] <tomreyn> alkisg: i haven't actually looked at your log, yet, it's just that looking for those firmware updates should not be difficult and is something everyone should be able to do, and it should take less time.
[18:09] <tomreyn> alkisg: i don't want to speculate.
[18:09] <alkisg> tomreyn: I mean, are this .bin files? Are they driver-setup.exe?
[18:09] <alkisg> What are "firmware" files?
[18:11] <FingerlessGloves> alkisg, You can normall update the firmware on the disk it self.
[18:11] <FingerlessGloves> the chip on the HDD it self.
[18:11] <alkisg> FingerlessGloves: I'm not familiar with that procedure; afaik, firmware is loaded on boot by the kernel; you're talking about something else that I do not know
[18:11] <tomreyn> alkisg: nowadays' storages are basically small computers, running their own operating system (or microkernel), those sometimes get upgrades, too. i'm just sayingyou should check whether any are available and whether it ccan be determined (by reviewing the changelog) whether they may be needed. whether or not you'll need windows to deploy them is secondary at best.
[18:12] <alkisg> tomreyn: are you saying they're using NVRAM, so updating the firmware on windows would make it updated on linux too?
[18:12] <tomreyn> alkisg: they have persistent internal storage, yes.
[18:14] <alkisg> tomreyn: thank you; looking...
[18:15] <tomreyn> alkisg: while we chatted, i looked up the bios already https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/de/en/products/laptops-and-netbooks/300-series/330-17ich/81fl/downloads/DS504093
[18:15] <tomreyn> you currently have BIOS 7ZCN33WW 04/25/2019
[18:16] <tomreyn> your system log shows plenty of ACPI issues, those can sometimes be solved with bios upgrades. other times you need to resort to http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[18:16] <alkisg> There's no newer bios; I updated it last week
[18:17] <alkisg> Haha
[18:17] <alkisg> tomreyn: today's update, thank you, didn't see that :D
[18:18]  * alkisg notes to himself, that "updated bios last week" might still mean "not the latest one" :D
[18:18] <alkisg> I don't see anything related in the sata changelog, but it wouldn't hurt to try... be back in 10' with the result
[18:26] <tomreyn> alkisg: there's an IRQ related kernel OOPS on your log, starting with    irq 9: nobody cared (try booting with the "irqpoll" option)
[18:26] <wedr> sometimes, I can't even find where my apps are installed, even when using "which", "whichis", and "find / -name "..."" commands with sudo
[18:26] <alkisg> tomreyn: I tried it a few days ago, it didn't help
[18:26] <wedr> Google Chrome Dev is this one app that I could never figure out where it's located.
[18:28] <FreeBDSM> hello, I need some help with systemd-timesyncd
[18:29] <tomreyn> alkisg: the storage link speed is fine, so the low performance must be either something to do with the ACPI/IRQ handling being problematic on this system when Linux presents itself as what it is (i.e. doesn't claim to be Windows via acpi_osi) or it's something internal to the HDD (in which case a firmware upgrade on that *may* help, if one is actually available)
[18:30] <FreeBDSM> it looks like it polls the servers too often `sudo systemctl status systemd-timesyncd` shows that for EVERY SECOND there are like 4 pairs of log messages: 'Network configuration changed, trying to establish connection.' + 'Synchronized to time server <IP_ADDRESS>:123 (ru.pool.ntp.org).' Why is that happening?
[18:31] <FreeBDSM> the config doesn't have PollIntervalMinSec/PollIntervalMaxSec configured, so I hope the defaults should be used
[18:32] <alkisg> tomreyn: ty; trying bios, then firmware, then acpi; kernel 4.14 didn't help
[18:32] <pragmaticenigma> FreeBDSM: Are you on WiFi or connected via ethernet?
[18:32] <FreeBDSM> pragmaticenigma: that's a production server, definitely not WiFi
[18:32] <tomreyn> alkisg: expected disk performance (tested on windows): https://novabench.com/parts/hdd/wdc-wd10spzx-24z10t0
[18:33] <tomreyn> alkisg: how did you test yours?
[18:33] <pragmaticenigma> FreeBDSM: Loose cable connection?
[18:33] <FreeBDSM> pragmaticenigma: wut
[18:33] <pragmaticenigma> FreeBDSM: What I'm getting at is I would be trying to figure out why you're seeing so many Network configuration changed messages
[18:33] <arpad2> hi, how to enable the nvidia optimus card?
[18:34] <alkisg> tomreyn: sudo hdparm -t /dev/sda; but the real problem is that it takes 3 minutes to boot, 10 minutes to launch a vbox VM etc
[18:35] <FreeBDSM> pragmaticenigma: define 'loose' connection. The server is kinda high load.
[18:36] <tomreyn> alkisg: so even reading appears to be slow?
[18:36] <alkisg> tomreyn: yeah, like 10 times slower than what it should be
[18:37] <pragmaticenigma> FreeBDSM: What I'm saying is I don't think the timesyncd is the problem... that is a symptom, I'd be looking for what keeps triggering Ubuntu to think the network connection was lost
[18:37] <FreeBDSM> pragmaticenigma: oh, this might be related: this is a kubernetes worker node, so it runs docker after all, and as pods spawn/die - it may create networks for them
[18:37] <pragmaticenigma> FreeBDSM: That sounds like a likely culrpit
[18:38] <FreeBDSM> pragmaticenigma: yeah, `ip a | wc -l` fluctuates :/
[18:39] <FreeBDSM> well, not like each second...
[18:40] <FreeBDSM> consistent with systemd-timesyncd data
[18:45] <tomreyn> alkisg: it'll be BIOS / ACPI / IRQ problems then, i guess. or a hardware error, but i wouldn't think so for now.
[18:46] <tomreyn> WD does not release firmware updates for internal consumer drives according to https://support-en.wd.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1324/kw/latest%20firmwares
[18:46] <alkisg> Ty tomreyn; yeah I don't think this one is hardware related, it works fine from windows.... I'll also try to boot the linux partition from vbox from inside windows, to at least have access to my tools :)
[18:47]  * alkisg is clicking "online update-drivers.exe" for the first time :D
[18:48] <alkisg> Funny, they  show the driver update progress within the lenovo web page
[18:55] <ash_worksi> I have an html response in a json object; what can I use to interpret \n and \t after piping through jq?
[18:56] <tomreyn> ash_worksi: /join #html
[18:57] <tomreyn> actually ##html i guess
[18:58] <someone235> Hi, I want to disable the default behaviour of the hotkey Win+Left/Right in Xubuntu, and instead of that make it mimic the button "home". I couldn't find where to cancel the default behaviour, and I couldn't also succeed to make a key binding that mimics Home button. I tried xbindkeys with xte, but it didn't work
[18:58] <someone235> someone has an idea how to do it?
[18:59] <tomreyn> someone235: flavour specific questions are best asked on their very support channels. so #xubuntu in this case.
[19:00] <ash_worksi> tomreyn: really? I mean this is more about shell interpretation than html
[19:00] <tomreyn> ash_worksi: #bash then ;)
[19:01] <ash_worksi> tomreyn: I feel like this is more of a "you can use this utility" question than a "this is how you parse it in bash" question
[19:01] <someone235> tomreyn, ok done, although I think it's relevant to any ubuntu distro, and this channel is way more populated
[19:01] <tomreyn> ash_worksi: i hope that in ##html, or in #bash, they would have told you to use a programming language to do it.
[19:02] <tomreyn> how to parse jq output isn't strictly an operating system question
[19:05] <tomreyn> replacing single characters can be done using tr, sed, awk, amongst others.
[19:05] <ash_worksi> tomreyn: yeah, as you were writing, I ended up with `.. | jq .. | php -R 'echo json_decode($argn);'`
[19:05] <alkisg> tomreyn: I updated with today's bios, I run the windows driver update.exe from lenovo, and now it's significantly faster, from 10 to 50 MB/sec. Again not as good as it should be, but it's usable now, thanks :)
[19:07] <tomreyn> alkisg: maybe give acpi_osi a try, too. and post another    journalctl -b    and a   journalctl -b -p3
[19:11] <birdman007> would a vm running windows recognize my iphone?
[19:11] <tomreyn> alkisg: actually  -p4 for the latter command
[19:12] <tomreyn> birdman007: only if you pass through the device to it (and your hardware, virtualization and guest system supports doing so).
[19:12] <tomreyn> all supported ubuntu versions should support device passthrough.
[19:13] <birdman007> thank you
[19:33] <blackswan> E: Failed to fetch http://ports.ubuntu.com/pool/main/g/git/git_2.17.1-1ubuntu0.4_armhf.deb  404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[19:33] <blackswan> is it just me?
[19:34] <tomreyn> blackswan: it's not just you who forgot to run "aqpt update" beforehand
[19:34] <tomreyn> * "sudo apt update"
[19:34] <blackswan> i think i did, though'
[19:35] <blackswan> this is a script that does run that that is failing. i see the new version in the archive.
[19:37] <blackswan> ok, bug in my script
[19:37] <blackswan> i moved some stuff around
[19:41] <blackswan> first time running this on arm in a while
[19:41] <blackswan> i try not to be an idiot usually
[19:43] <tamj0rd2> Hey, yesterday I suddenly started having issues connecting to a WiFi network. I can ping the router, I can ping <IP_ADDRESS> but I can't ping any dns names like Google.com, which makes me think dns is the issue
[19:44] <tamj0rd2> Does anyone know how I can fix this? I tried setting the dns for the connection via the gui to be <IP_ADDRESS> but it didn't make any difference
[19:44] <tamj0rd2> Also, I can access the same network completely fine on the same laptop on Windows (dual booted), so i think it's a config issue somewhere in my Ubuntu install
[19:45] <tamj0rd2> I can also connect to the same WiFi if I tunnel it through my phone's WiFi
[19:45] <CarlFK> tamj0rd2: try host goo.gl ... I get goo.gl has address <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:45] <tamj0rd2> Phones hotspot*
[19:45] <tamj0rd2> Still nothing Carl
[19:45] <CarlFK> for more debugging data
[19:45] <tamj0rd2> I've tried a few sites and none work
[19:45] <CarlFK> what's the response ?
[19:45] <tamj0rd2> Temporary failure in name resolution
[19:46] <CarlFK> k - so yeah, dns borked
[19:46] <tamj0rd2> I can get onto other WiFi networks though, so it's something about this particular one and only on Ubuntu. It was fine yesterday and then just stopped
[19:47] <CarlFK> try nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> in /etc/resolv.conf (replace the 127...
[19:47] <tamj0rd2> The only thing I can think of that might have had an impact was that I install ifconfig to try to find my device ip address (forgot I could do it in the gui)
[19:47] <tamj0rd2> I'll give it a try ^
[19:47] <CarlFK> also: ip a is the new "show my ip" thingy
[19:48] <tamj0rd2> Ahhh, thanks!
[19:48] <tamj0rd2> Success! Thank you
[19:49] <tamj0rd2> I didn't try to edit that file because it said not to change it and it's auto generated.
[19:49] <CarlFK> it will likely get overwritten when you connect again.
[19:49] <tamj0rd2> Actually... I'm getting the issue again already
[19:50] <CarlFK> I'm lost when it comes to tracing how dns happens with the 127 thing
[19:51] <CarlFK> juser@cnt1:~$ nmap -p 1122 localhost ... 1122/tcp closed (good) sudo nmap -p 1122 localhost ... Couldn't open a raw socket. Error: Permission denied (13)
[19:51] <CarlFK> why does root get Permission denied?
[19:58] <r4ulrm> CarlFK: perphaps because its open by another process
[20:00] <CarlFK> r4ulrm: um.. A) it isn't (per the non root run) and B) nmap doesn't connect, just probe or something to see if it is available.  (which it can do even when something else is connected)
[20:01] <ioria> CarlFK, vm, bare metal, wsl ? and what kernel ?
[20:01] <CarlFK> metal,  Linux cnt1 5.3.0-24-generic #26-Ubuntu SMP Thu Nov 14 01:33:18 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[20:01] <CarlFK> what's wsl?
[20:01] <ioria> CarlFK, iptables at play ?
[20:01] <ioria> !wsl
[20:02] <CarlFK> ah, no wsl.  Ubuntu 19.10
[20:02] <ioria> CarlFK, iptables are in use ?
[20:02] <CarlFK> I haven't touched iptables.
[20:03] <ioria> CarlFK, do you have other kernels installed ?
[20:04] <CarlFK> ls /boot/ shows vmlinuz-5.0.0-36-generic vmlinuz-5.3.0-24-generic
[20:05] <tamj0rd2> My laptop is also dropping packets like crazy for some reason... I just tried Windows and I'm not getting any of these issues at all
[20:06] <tamj0rd2> Does anuone know how I can remove ifconfig? I've only had these issues since I installed that. But when I do apt-get remove it says its not installed 🙄
[20:07] <ioria> CarlFK, you can try with 5.0.36 to rule out a kernel problem
[20:07] <CarlFK> woah - this tip from the wild internt   fixed it: sudo snap connect nmap:network-control
[20:07] <ioria> CarlFK, you use nmap as snap ?
[20:08] <CarlFK> ioria: seems so
[20:08] <CarlFK> apt-cache policy nmap   Installed: (none)
[20:08] <ioria> i see now
[20:09] <ioria> tamj0rd2, ifconfig is in net-tools, i doubt would cause issues
[20:09] <tamj0rd2> Hmm, it's the only thing I can think of though ioria
[20:10] <tamj0rd2> It's been working for months since yesterday and that's the only network related thing I did
[20:10] <ioria> tamj0rd2, what's the problem ?
[20:11] <tamj0rd2> I can't connect to the Internet. I can ping <IP_ADDRESS> but it drops about 80% of packets. Dns is also not working. I get temporary name resolution error if I try to ping a dns name
[20:11] <tamj0rd2> I can connect to the WiFi perfectly fine without any of these issues in Windows
[20:11] <tamj0rd2> On the same laptop
[20:12] <ioria> tamj0rd2, systemd-resolved --status
[20:12] <ioria> tamj0rd2, systemd-resolve --status
[20:13] <tamj0rd2> ioria: Resolve call failed. All attempts to connect name servers or networks failed
[20:13] <ioria> tamj0rd2, ps -A | grep resol
[20:14] <tamj0rd2> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/neDQIRB7
[20:14] <tamj0rd2> Uhh, dunno why that happened
[20:14] <tamj0rd2> It says 1033 ? 00:00:01 systemd-resolve
[20:15] <ioria> high
[20:15] <ioria> tamj0rd2, ll /etc/resolv.conf
[20:15] <ioria> you can paste here
[20:15] <tamj0rd2> Cannot access. No such file or directory
[20:16] <tamj0rd2> Oh I spelled it wrong
[20:16] <tamj0rd2> I can't paste it since I'm on my phone so I'll type it out
[20:16] <ioria> just the laste part
[20:17] <tamj0rd2> Autocorrect is a bitch right now
[20:18] <tamj0rd2> It's /etc/resolv.conf -> ../run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf
[20:18] <ioria> tamj0rd2, systemd-resolve --status   again please
[20:19] <tamj0rd2> All attempts to contact name servers or networks failed
[20:19] <ioria> tamj0rd2, sudo systemctl restart systemd-resolved
[20:20] <tamj0rd2> It let me do the command and didn't have any output
[20:20] <ioria> tamj0rd2, systemd-resolve --status
[20:20] <tamj0rd2> Same again :(
[20:22] <ducasse> tamj0rd2: which nic chipset is this?
[20:22] <ioria> tamj0rd2, and what kernel and what release of ubuntu ?
[20:22] <tamj0rd2> How can i find out the chipset
[20:22] <Bashing-om> tamj0rd2: ioria: Check what is set for the renderer : cat /etc/netplan/01-network-manager-all.yaml ?
[20:22] <ioria> Bashing-om, sure
[20:23] <ioria> if he's using NM
[20:23] <tamj0rd2> I'm on Ubuntu 19.10
[20:23] <ioria> tamj0rd2, kernel ?
[20:23] <tamj0rd2> Renderer is NetworkManager
[20:23] <tamj0rd2> Is there a command to get the kernel?
[20:24] <ioria> tamj0rd2, uname -r
[20:24] <tamj0rd2> 5.3.0-24-generic
[20:25] <ioria> tamj0rd2, cat /etc/resolv.conf | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:26] <tamj0rd2> Getaddrinfo for host termbin.com port 9999: temporary failure in name resolution
[20:28] <ioria> tamj0rd2, cat /etc/resolv.conf | nc <IP_ADDRESS> 9999
[20:29] <tamj0rd2> I got https://termbin.com/qmok
[20:30] <tamj0rd2> That's pretty cool. First time I've seen termbin
[20:31] <tamj0rd2> ioria
[20:31] <ioria> tamj0rd2, cat /etc/network/interfaces | nc <IP_ADDRESS> 9999
[20:32] <tamj0rd2> ioria: I don't have that file
[20:32] <geard> I am currently using Team Foundation Services. I am trying to put my nginx configurations into git, are there any suggestions on this topic?
[20:33] <ioria> tamj0rd2, are you sure ?  ls  /etc/network/interfaces
[20:34] <tamj0rd2> Ls -a of /etc/network only contains if-down.d, if-post-down.d if-pre-up.d if-up.d
[20:35] <tamj0rd2> ioria: I'm using WiFi BTW, not wired. Not sure if that makes a difference
[20:36] <ioria> tamj0rd2, nope ;   ip a  | nc <IP_ADDRESS> 9999
[20:37] <tamj0rd2> Termbin.com/7z0m
[20:38] <ioria> tamj0rd2, cat /etc/resolv.conf  | nc <IP_ADDRESS> 9999
[20:39] <tamj0rd2> ioria: termbin.com/z8b7
[20:40] <ioria> tamj0rd2, why search lan ? can you remove it ?
[20:40] <tamj0rd2> No idea, I'll try
[20:40] <FKHell> My keyboard on my ubuntu 18.04 started to give me 2 keys when I press "end" again. this is the xev output for that key https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/k68bzNKgzh/ - it did this a few days ago, then it stopped, now it started again. I don't think I've changed things to provoke it
[20:41] <tamj0rd2> I commented it out ioria
[20:41] <ioria> tamj0rd2, sudo systemctl restart systemd-resolved
[20:42] <tamj0rd2> Yup
[20:42] <ioria> tamj0rd2, are you using FQDN ?
[20:42] <tamj0rd2> I'm not sure what that is
[20:42] <tamj0rd2> Oh
[20:43] <tamj0rd2> Well I've been trying to ping domain names like google.com
[20:43] <ioria> tamj0rd2, cat cat /etc/hosts  | nc <IP_ADDRESS> 9999
[20:43] <ioria> tamj0rd2,  cat /etc/hosts  | nc <IP_ADDRESS> 9999
[20:43] <tamj0rd2> Termbin.com/nrk7
[20:44] <ioria> it's ok
[20:44] <ioria> tamj0rd2,  are you using dhcp , right ?
[20:45] <tamj0rd2> Yeah. The router assigned me an ip
[20:45] <ioria> tamj0rd2, try to set 'manual' and insert DNS <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:48] <tamj0rd2> No luck
[20:49] <tamj0rd2> Earlier I edited it directly in the resolv conf and it worked for a minute, then stopped again
[20:49] <ioria> tamj0rd2,  cat /etc/systemd/resolved.conf  | nc <IP_ADDRESS> 9999
[20:51] <ioria> tamj0rd2,  you're not in a container atm, right ?
[20:51] <tamj0rd2> Yup I'm not
[20:51] <tamj0rd2> Termbin/lg0u
[20:51] <tamj0rd2> Termbin.com/lg0u
[20:51] <tamj0rd2> I do have docker installed but I'm not in a container. I've restarted a couple of times by now too
[20:52] <tamj0rd2> Oh wait!
[20:52] <tamj0rd2> I did one more thing yesterday. I made 2 docker networks
[20:52] <tamj0rd2> Maybe that's messing things up
[20:54] <tamj0rd2> Ahhh
[20:54] <tamj0rd2> It works now!
[20:54] <tamj0rd2> ioria what made you wonder if it was related to a container?
[20:55] <ioria> tamj0rd2,  no idea, sorry
[20:55] <tamj0rd2> I'm glad it's sorted now though :) thanks. I've been stumped for hours
[20:55] <ioria> tamj0rd2, ok, good job
[20:57] <FKHell> i plugged in a USB keyboard and it does not produce the additional key for END
[21:04] <ducasse> FKHell: does xev register it at all?
[21:05] <FKHell> yes the xev output is posted above
[21:05] <POLK> hi, where can I to get 16.04 distib, page "https://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/" doesn't open
[21:07] <oerheks> https://releases.ubuntu.com/ seems down from here
[21:08] <oerheks> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/16.04/release/ works
[21:12] <wedr> Finally found out where Google Chrome Dev is installed at...
[21:13] <wedr> Path - /usr/bin/google-chrome-unstable       I couldn't even find this anywhere even with "which" and "find"...
[21:13] <someone235> Hi, I want to remap my super + left to my Home key, but without success. I tried xdotool, but for some weird reason it works only on firefox, and not in any other window
[21:13] <POLK> oerheks, thanks
[21:13] <someone235> I'm using Ubuntu 18.04
[21:14] <someone235> anyone knows how to do it?
[21:14] <wedr> someone235, Check out gnome-tweaks and see if there's a hotkey you can override
[21:16] <someone235> wedr, I installed gnome-tweaks, but I don't see anywhere where I can configure hotkeys
[21:16] <ducasse> someone235: also, xbindkeys should handle that
[21:16] <bprompt> someone235:   I use Autokey for lots of automations, you can tell it which window to work for or for all or for some
[21:17] <wedr> someone235, gnome-tweaks has a hotkeys page. That's how I enabled Windows 10 IME context switching hotkeys from
[21:17] <wedr> But I couldn't tell you much as I'm on 16.04
[21:18] <someone235> No hotkeys section in my gnome-tweaks
[21:23] <wedr> someone235, Gnome-Tweaks > Keyboard Settings > Typing > Modifier keys
[21:34] <someone235> Wrote a post about it: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1197137/remap-superleft-home-button
[21:35] <okdana> hello, could someone help me understand how i'm meant to use pg_upgradecluster (tool for upgrading postgres databases) when the ubuntu repos don't maintain the older postgres packages it needs to work?
[21:35] <okdana> like cosmic/disco/eoan all have only postgresql-11
[21:38] <oerheks> you might want to reask in #ubuntu-server
[21:39] <okdana> will try, ty
[22:15] <shibboleth> say a shutdown/reboot borks at one stage
[22:16] <shibboleth> what is the max timeout/wait-for interaction before the sys halts/reboots anyway?
[22:16] <shibboleth> say, "could not unmount/service did not respond/etc"?
[22:20] <jdmark> What should I use to edit GTK and QT to make their themes all match?
[22:20] <jdmark> Formatted my fresh Ubuntu install and had Adia Dark for all themes
[22:20] <jdmark> matched perfectly
[22:20] <jdmark> desktop environment looked professional and consistent
[22:34] <shibboleth> "professional"?
[22:35] <shibboleth> you make your living using it, therefore it looks "professional"?
[22:36] <shibboleth> "the burglar broke the window to unlock the door". "damn, he's a pro" :)
[22:39] <JustTheDoctor> i am in a directory with alot of files, is there a way to get a file count (im connected via ssh)
[22:40] <JustTheDoctor> nvm i think i got it
[22:40] <bprompt> shibboleth:   profession == done regularly for pay, doesn't mean is any good, it simply means is done for a wage regularly, Hobbiyist == same work and quality done for no pay
[22:41] <shibboleth> yeah, my gripe is with how ppl abuse the term "professional"
[22:41] <Bashing-om> JustTheDoctor: ' ls | wc -l ' ?
[22:41] <bprompt> JustTheDoctor:   ls -l | wc -l
[22:42] <shibboleth> "that doesn't look very professional" <--- what does that even mean?
[22:42] <shibboleth> most often the person who said sure as stuff can't :)
[22:42] <JustTheDoctor> yes, Thank you bprompt and Bashing-om
[22:44] <bprompt> shibboleth:   bear in mind that language isn't a fixed set of phonems and meanings, it changes all the time, professional can be used to denote something done with "poor care" or slapdash, and both meanings are very valid
[22:44] <bprompt> well unprofessional can be used to denote that is
[22:44] <bprompt> shibboleth:  but some words have several meanings, as many as 5 or more
[22:45] <bprompt> shibboleth:   "gay" back in the 50's used to mean Happy, today, well, you already know, just to show you how language is always in flux
[22:47] <shibboleth> "don't wear a hoodie, it doesn't look professional" <--- ok, i won't wear a hoodie but you could just as well said "my head is a bird, your argument is invaldi"
[22:47] <shibboleth> invalid
[22:47] <coz_> ?????
[22:48] <shibboleth> "professional" is *not* whatever pleases the person making the claim :)
[22:48] <coz_> shibboleth, I don't think think this is a support statement!!
[22:49] <coz_> bprompt, same for you
[22:49] <shibboleth> speaking on behalf of all techies/support personell who have been told to leave the hoodie at home: kinda is. i'll leave it at that, though :)
[22:49] <bprompt> shibboleth:  we don't know the context, wearing a hoodie at work where the dresscode is formal dress is unprofessional
[22:49] <coz_> shibboleth, please, stop with the statements
[22:49] <coz_> bprompt,  you as well
[22:50] <bprompt> shibboleth:   anyhow, as coz_ correctly pointed out, we're offtopic, so let's be topical :)
[22:51] <coz_> bprompt, and shibboleth there is #ubuntu-offtopic for this %)
[22:52] <shibboleth> i "left it at that" a whole ago
[22:52] <shibboleth> while
[23:42] <dennington> there anyway i can add a dialable phone # in pdf using ubuntu desktop
[23:47] <FKHell> my problem "end key produces , as well" was actually a hardware issue
[23:57] <bprompt> dennington:   dialable phone number in pdf?
[23:58] <dennington> yes have a google doc that i need a phone number dialed ooff of
[23:59] <dennington> was gonna convert it to pdf and then use an appropriate pdf program


[03:08] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[21:58] <arraybolt3> Grief, elias_a has been derailing the channel for a while it seems.
[22:17] <Eickmeyer> Yes.


[00:41] <squish102> ok 3 gtx 1070's and one gtx 970 doing some mining
[00:41] <squish102> think i am a little late to the party :(
[10:35] <Kilos> morning all
[10:35] <Kilos> yes inetpro it is friday
[10:47] <MaNI> freedom friday
[12:36] <paddatrapper> morning MaNI, Kilos
[12:36] <Kilos> hi paddatrapper
[12:36] <Kilos> hi MaNI
[12:37] <paddatrapper> it's been raingin all day so far :)
[12:52] <Kilos> if it rains here in winter we freeze after
[12:55] <paddatrapper> hehe. We desperately need more of it
[19:07] <nsnzero> evening all
[19:27] <Kilos> wb inetpro
[19:59] <Kilos> hi nsnzero
[19:59] <Kilos> nearly bedtime
[20:12] <nsnzero> oops forgot i was online
[20:13] <nsnzero> uses a spare laptop - my hp 250 got screen issues need to replace the screen or cable to it
[21:26] <Kilos> lol. sleep tight everyone


[21:32] <salty-horse> hi. I'm using intrepid and noticed the new separate shutdown/logout menus. they have the buttons in a vertical list, and the buttons is very wide. each button also has a different height, and the differences in icon sizes for "restart" and "shutdown" make for an unpleasant and unpolished look. should I file a bug against gnome-session?
[21:33] <pochu> salty-horse: that's the right package, but I think mpt was redesigning or reviewing it
[21:34]  * salty-horse waits for mpt to reply :)
[21:34] <salty-horse> oh, he's away
[21:35] <salty-horse> pochu, does he have some blog or docs about it?
[21:35] <salty-horse> (not: http://thebuzzatmpt.blogspot.com/ )
[21:35] <salty-horse> found it