[00:23] <satellite_> dummy output, please help, no sound
[00:25] <satel> no sound, need help
[00:28] <bazhang> !audio | satel have a read
[00:29] <satel> xubuntu is not reading my sound card
[00:29] <bazhang> read the many links above satel and follow them
[00:30] <satel> ok
[00:38] <xubuntu48w> Hello I need help with installing xubuntu
[00:39] <xubuntu48w> Am I in the right place?
[00:40] <bazhang> whats the question xubuntu48w
[00:40] <xubuntu48w> I cant seem to get xubuntu to install
[00:40] <xubuntu48w> I grabbed the iso but bios says its not a valid boot image
[00:41] <bazhang> install from what media
[00:41] <xubuntu48w> usb thumbdrive
[00:41] <bazhang> how was it written to usb
[00:42] <xubuntu48w> I tried just the iso, tried copying the files out of the iso, and tried in mint to make a bootable usb
[00:42] <bazhang> thats not how to do it
[00:43] <bazhang> mint should have some tools for that, ask their support
[01:12] <satellite_> !audio
[01:14] <xubuntu65w> ok im back {guy looking to install from usb}
[01:14] <xubuntu65w> ive given up on the usb...problem is the install wont work from dvd either
[01:15] <xubuntu65w> I burned the iso to the dvd but it doesnt recognize it, just boots straight into mint
[01:19] <vis_ionmas_ter> any insight?
[01:49] <satellite_> could you help me to install realtek sound card drivers
[01:49] <satellite_> i get stuck at "make" and "make install"
[02:01] <satellite_> could you help me to install realtek sound card drivers
[02:01] <satellite_> i get stuck at "make" and "make install"
[02:28] <vis_ionmas_ter> anyone here to help me??
[02:32] <satellite_> can't seem to fix dummy output... i've been working on this for over 8 hours by now
[02:33] <satellite_> !audio
[02:33] <satellite_> nothing here
[02:34] <xubuntu171> What can I get rid of in Xubuntu to make a VMWare image smaller?
[02:35] <satellite_> aplay: device_list:268: no soundcards found...
[13:31]  * lopta waits patiently for a laptop to boot.
[13:42] <lopta> Are Broadcom BCM4401 (100base-TX) or BCM4311 (802.11g) network interfaces supported on Xubuntu?
[13:42] <holstein> !broadcom
[13:43] <lopta> Thanks holstein!
[13:43] <holstein> lopta: personally,  i replace broadcom chips when they are problematic, but, it wont hurt to try the available drivers that are not allowed to be shipped
[13:44] <lopta> holstein: We may have a less awkward USB WiFi NIC around. I'll see whether I can locate one.
[13:46] <holstein> lopta: i literally just wire up the machine, and install what broadcom driver is needed, and do a system update.. then, i reboot and test..
[13:47] <lopta> holstein: The wired interface doesn't work either though.
[13:47] <holstein> well, you can take the hard drive to a machine that has hardware that *does* support linux, and do the work there.. or, you can follow the "no internet connection" suggestions at the link i gave
[13:48] <holstein> i have, in the past, at a LUG meeting, dl'd the driver and software needed to a stick, migrated it to the machine in question, and installed and provided support for a users broadcom chip, without having a connection to the internet
[13:48] <holstein> its quite uncommon to have a wired chip that doenst work..
[13:53] <lopta> holstein: I was certainly a bit surprised.
[14:16] <ScoDal> Uhoh my xubuntu doesn't mount my exfat flash drive, how can I fix this?
[14:18] <lopta> ScoDal: I don't find that surprising.
[14:18] <lopta> ScoDal: Can you reformat it as FAT?
[14:18] <ScoDal> I format it to exfat from an OSX computer so it would work cross platform
[14:18] <lopta> exfat is proprietary, I think.
[14:18] <ScoDal> sudo apt-get install exfat-fuse exfat-utils
[14:18] <ScoDal> that fixed me instantly, gained access to it now :)
[14:18] <lopta> Oh good.
[14:28] <lopta> brb
[14:29] <ScoDal> Okie dokie :)
[15:51] <phantom1024> is there a way to keep my browser to always open on workspace 1 ?
[15:51] <phantom1024> it keeps switching workspaces when I open a link from the terminal for example
[15:51] <lopta> phantom1024: Does it currently open on the workspace you're looking at when it launches?
[15:51] <phantom1024> yes
[15:58] <drc> phantom, not sure if this is what you are looking for but Settings>Window Manager Tweaks>Focus> switch to window's workspace.  When this is selected, opening a URL in, say, IRC/hexchat will open in the browser whereever it's open at (if it's open, if not it will open in the desktop where you are at)
[15:58] <drc> That's as cose as I can come to an answer for you :)
[15:58] <drc> s/cose/close
[16:02] <phantom1024> drc, that is what i'm looking for
[16:02] <phantom1024> thank you
[16:02] <drc> np...enjoy :)
[16:05] <lopta> Woohoo! The boss found a little USB 802.11n adaptor that Xubuntu just magically recognised.
[16:06] <xubuntu44d> hello
[16:07] <xubuntu44d> I am trying to install xubuntu on a laptop and altought I DID choose "French" on the first screen the keyboard STAY in US/Qwerty and this is very dangerous when typing the root password and the encryption passphrase for the HDD.
[16:08] <xubuntu44d> is there a way to get to a shell or advanced config to set the keyboard to the right layout ?
[16:08] <Luyin> xubuntu44d on *ubuntu, use of a root password is discouraged
[16:08] <xubuntu44d> not my point ;) same problem for the user password
[16:09] <Luyin> xubuntu44d you might need to install additional language support for french after the installation
[16:09] <Luyin> settings > languages and regions
[16:09] <xubuntu44d> the problem is that any non US user will instanly lock himself up from the computer simply by typing the password or passphrase
[16:09] <xubuntu44d> lock himself out :)
[16:09] <xubuntu44d> sorry
[16:09] <GridCube> !locale | xubuntu44d
[16:10] <xubuntu44d> I know this
[16:10] <xubuntu44d> I am talking about the installer
[16:10] <xubuntu44d> when I don't have access to the whole system ;)
[16:10] <xubuntu44d> or maybe I have but I don't know how
[16:11] <GridCube> ah. well, probably you need to start a live session and use the installer from there?
[16:11] <xubuntu44d> The experience for a "novice" is this one insert the CD/USB, choose "French" (or whatever langage), go on, choose a passphrase for the disk and a password for the user and get locked out at next reboot because the keyboard was in qwerty ;)
[16:11] <xubuntu44d> Ok
[16:11] <GridCube> maybe not all modules get loaded on the simple installer until after the install is complete
[16:11] <xubuntu44d> I'll try with a live session good idea :)
[16:12] <GridCube> they change to spanish when i tried, but i havent done an install in a year, so something could have changed :P i just do dist-upgrades
[16:13] <xubuntu44d> ok I will try the live install way because it sounds like I will be able to have a proper keyboard setup and I'll confirm
[16:15] <xubuntu44d> ok without even rebooting, simply quitting the installer let me in a live session where I was able to go into settings/keyboard and change the layout before relauching the installer
[16:15] <xubuntu44d> not really obvious for a linux novice, would be much more user friendly to have the keyboard asked about before going on but at least there is a solution
[16:16] <xubuntu44d> I probably should fill a usability bug on the installer :)
[16:16] <xubuntu44d> thanks :)
[16:18] <lopta> When I shutdown this laptop (a Dell Latitude D520), I get the Xubuntu splash screen with the spinny thing on it but it doesn't power down.
[18:18] <scodal> How the heck do you disable the click on Title bar and automatically start moving it around feature?
[18:19] <knome> scodal, please mind the language.
[18:22] <scodal> How the honky tonk piano do you disable the click on Title bar and automatically start moving it around feature?
[18:34] <scodal> Is there no way to turn that off? I'd much prefer it to be click and hold to drag
[18:35] <GridCube> scodal: thats how it works, you might have some weird synaptics setup
[18:35] <scodal> It's a thinkpad with UltraNav
[18:37] <scodal> Well good enough I digress about that, thanks yall :)
[18:43] <asantos3> Uh, hi everyone
[18:43] <knome> hello
[18:43] <asantos3> Did anyone got fps drops in their games with an update or something?
[18:44] <asantos3> Not a powerful gpu or anything but eh it works
[18:45] <asantos3> Yesterday when I went to play some cs:go I got some low fps, like ~20
[18:45] <asantos3> I usually got it at ~50
[18:45] <mrkramps> asantos3, you don't want to tell us about your system's specs, do you?
[18:46] <mrkramps> and maybe your xubuntu version …
[18:46] <ObrienDave> that would be way too easy ;P
[18:46] <asantos3> Radeon HD 7670M, Xubuntu 15.04
[18:46] <mrkramps> i know … no supporter needs information to do the job
[18:47] <asantos3> I was about to tell it but I didn't finished writing the 'problem'
[18:48] <mrkramps> asantos3, fglrx or radeon?
[18:49] <asantos3> fglrx is bugged or some stuff in my GPU, so the other
[18:49] <mrkramps> how much time has passed since you played cs:go last time w/o fps drops?
[18:49] <asantos3> Two days ago, I can't remember
[18:50] <asantos3> that's why I asked if anyone noticed some drop fps with an update or something
[18:50] <asantos3> but here's the weird stuff
[18:50] <asantos3> I tested with Ubuntu Mate 15.04 and it ran normal
[18:51] <mrkramps> asantos3, both systems up-to-date with updated?
[18:51] <mrkramps> *updates
[18:51] <asantos3> So I reinstalled Xubuntu 15.04, mostly because it had loads of junk in it and now i'm here :/
[18:51] <asantos3> yup
[18:51] <mrkramps> asantos3, you diabled composite extension for xfwm4?
[18:52] <asantos3> Like Window Manager Tweaks > Enable display compositing?
[18:52] <mrkramps> well, disable not enable … but yes
[18:53] <asantos3> I did that and tested it but I got the same
[18:56] <asantos3> Do you think I should test it with another WM?
[18:56] <ObrienDave> VM?
[18:56] <asantos3> Window Manager
[18:57] <ObrienDave> oh
[18:57] <ObrienDave> *hides*
[18:58] <mrkramps> asantos3, cs:go native or wine?
[18:58] <asantos3> native
[19:00] <mrkramps> asantos3, xubuntu 15.04 and ubuntu mate 15.04 dualboot on the same system?
[19:01] <asantos3> Nope, I dualboot with a linux distro and windows
[19:01] <mrkramps> asantos3, so how did you test ubuntu mate?
[19:02] <asantos3> I replaced Xubuntu with Ubuntu Mate and then replaced it Xubuntu
[19:03] <mrkramps> and you definitely upgraded ubuntu mate?
[19:04] <asantos3> I think so yes :/
[19:04] <mrkramps> question is because there should have been quite some kernel upgrades lately
[19:05] <mrkramps> maybe test an older kernel
[19:06] <asantos3> perhaps that's it, let me test it
[19:17] <asantos3> mrkramps, do I need to do that like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds or is there some third-party GUI like in manjaro where I can do that?
[19:17] <mrkramps> asantos3, i did not say try a newer kernel
[19:18] <mrkramps> you may install older kernel-versions from package manager at any time
[19:18] <asantos3> oh, I didn't knew that :/
[20:15] <asantos3> hi again
[20:15] <Vazity> Hello. I'm going to install xubuntu. But i need some help.
[20:16] <asantos3> So I tried with different kernels and it's the same deal, tried with 3.19.7 and 3.18.19
[20:16] <Vazity> I'm currently using Intel HD Graphic drivers, will this be installed automaticly?   I'm going to do dual boot first.
[20:19] <asantos3> But then you can go to Software & Updates > Additional Drivers
[20:19] <mrkramps> asantos3, there are no additional drivers for intel gpus
[20:19] <Vazity> Great, looks like a good community as well.
[20:19] <Vazity> Thanks for helping me out.
[20:20] <asantos3> mrkramps, I know, I was explaning were he could see other drivers
[20:21] <asantos3> mrkramps, dunno if I did good but followed this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds#Installing_upstream_kernels
[20:21] <asantos3> and it was the same
[20:23] <asantos3> I could try Ubuntu Mate 15.04 and Xubuntu 14.04 if that helps
[20:24] <mrkramps> asantos3, the fps drops you get are a sudden regression which is hard to trace
[20:24] <mrkramps> i haven't found an according bug report yet
[20:28] <asantos3> Well, I will keep trying stuff then
[20:29] <pencilandpaper> i was wondering what package is installed so that xubuntu is able to detect a android phone?
[20:29] <pencilandpaper> or is it a driver that is in the kernel?
[20:30] <asantos3> bluetooth?
[20:30] <mrkramps> pencilandpaper, wether it is recognized as mass storage device or probalby via mtp
[20:31] <pencilandpaper> i dont think that is it asantos3 .
[20:31] <pencilandpaper> right well i installed mtp and am using mtp-detect and its seeing the phone kinda..but no icon is showing up so that i can open the phone mrkramps .
[20:31] <asantos3> I was asking if you connected via cable or...
[20:32] <mrkramps> pencilandpaper, mtpfs?
[20:32] <pencilandpaper> yes, via cable asantos3 ..and xubuntu detected it and showed a icon for it and everything.
[20:32] <pencilandpaper> i am now on another distro and trying to get the same results.
[20:32] <pencilandpaper> i have that installed as well mrkramps .
[20:33] <mrkramps> pencilandpaper, is gvfs-bin, gvfs-fuse and gvfs-backends installed?
[20:33] <Vazity> if i get this graphic driver working, ill delete windows
[20:33] <Vazity> so i hope it work
[20:34] <asantos3> Vazity, what problem do you have with the driver?
[20:34] <mrkramps> Vazity, except for the most current intel hd chipsets there should be not driver issue
[20:34] <mrkramps> well, and for everything before intel hd 2000
[20:34] <asantos3> Oh, just remembered something, while installing if you check that box that says "Install updates" doesn't that pull all the updates?
[20:35] <pencilandpaper> ok nice mrkramps ..i got it working. thank you so much man..it was mtpfs. :)
[20:35] <Vazity> last time i installed archbox i got shitty quality
[20:35] <mrkramps> you're welcome, glad i could help!
[20:35] <Vazity> ill check what driver i got, mrkramps
[20:35] <Vazity> hang on
[20:36] <Vazity> screen resolution and everything got fucked up
[20:37] <Vazity> Intel(R) HD Graphics Family, mrkramps
[20:38] <mrkramps> Vazity, is it a sandy bridge chipset?
[20:38] <Vazity> i dont know, how do i check that? mrkramps
[20:38] <asantos3> Xubuntu and Ubuntu Mate are one of the few distros that install the proprietary drivers for the wifi, the open source are fucked so there's that
[20:39] <mrkramps> asantos3, depends on you chipset
[20:39] <asantos3> mrkrapms, if I do this http://pad1.whstatic.com/images/thumb/d/d8/Install-Ubuntu-Linux-Step-5Bullet1.jpg/900px-Install-Ubuntu-Linux-Step-5Bullet1.jpg doesn't that pull all the updates? If so I installed them while installing Ubuntu Mate
[20:40] <mrkramps> asantos3, iirc no
[20:40] <mrkramps> or rather depends
[20:40] <Vazity> but mrkramps, will it work
[20:40] <mrkramps> i remember it only working for ethernet connections
[20:41] <asantos3> I'm on a ethernet connection
[20:41] <Vazity> do i need ethernet connection when i install it?
[20:41] <mrkramps> Vazity, yes there should be no driver issue from what i can tell. probably it will require some manual configuration when chipset is older than sandy bridge
[20:42] <Vazity> is my older mrkramps
[20:42] <mrkramps> Vazity, no internet connection required
[20:42] <Vazity> ok good
[20:43] <mrkramps> Vazity, we're currently talking about pulling automatic updates at installtion … that's what you will need a connection for. but it can be done later of course
[20:43] <Vazity> oh ok
[20:43] <mrkramps> Vazity, can you tell me your cpu model?
[20:44] <Vazity> http://gyazo.com/c18ab89896a0a36c96b2a156eb781b87
[20:44] <Vazity> there you go, mrkramps
[20:46] <mrkramps> Vazity, it's sandy bridge and the default acceleration method of the intel driver will work
[20:46] <Vazity> ok, but when i used archbox the screen resolution and shit got fucked up
[20:46] <Vazity> bad quality as well
[20:47] <asantos3> archbox? like in virtualbox?
[20:47] <Vazity> no dual boot windows
[20:47] <Vazity> im going to test xubuntu now first in dual boot
[20:47] <mrkramps> i do not know archbox, their kernel, mesa, xserver or whatever package version … so it might be just a temporary problem affecting their packages
[20:47] <Vazity> if i get this screen and stuff working
[20:47] <Vazity> ill remove windows
[20:48] <Vazity> and install xubuntu for full
[20:49] <knome> Vazity, please remember this is a family-friendly channel and steer your language considering that
[20:49] <Vazity> ok im sorry knome
[20:51] <Vazity> http://askubuntu.com/questions/166224/how-do-i-install-the-intel-graphics-driver-in-my-system do i need to do this, mrkramps?
[20:52] <mrkramps> Vazity, this Q/A is from 2012 and about 12.04
[20:52] <Vazity> ok
[20:54] <Vazity> mrkramps, can i see what ur desktop look like?
[20:55] <mrkramps> pretty much default
[20:56] <Vazity> aight
[20:56] <mrkramps> just replaced the elemntary-xfce icon theme with faenza
[20:56] <Vazity> http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1317877292.jpg
[20:56] <Vazity> it is possible to make it like that, right?
[20:58] <mrkramps> looks like faenza icons, custom background, transparent terminal with custom prompt, conky system monitor and some panel at the bottom i cannot identify
[20:59] <Vazity> kk nice
[21:01] <Vazity> i have another issue, my touchpad dont work. will my usb mouse work when i install
[21:05] <asantos3> Vazity, what's the brand and model?
[21:05] <Vazity> wireless optical mouse
[21:06] <Vazity> a4tech
[21:06] <Vazity> model g7-750
[21:09] <Vazity> ?
[21:09] <asantos3> dunno, it's an obscure brand, you could always try without installing
[21:10] <Vazity> ok
[21:10] <Vazity> but it will work when it is installed right
[21:11] <asantos3> probably
[21:11] <asantos3> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/try-ubuntu-before-you-install
[21:11] <Vazity> ok
[21:11] <asantos3> you will get this https://assets.ubuntu.com/sites/ubuntu/latest/u/img/download/desktop/try-ubuntu-before-you-install/image-tryubuntubeforeyouinstall-1.jpg
[21:12] <asantos3> then you can choose 'try ubuntu' and you can check it
[21:12] <Vazity> ill go ahead and install it soon now
[21:12] <Vazity> i will let u know !
[21:12] <asantos3> try before
[21:12] <Vazity> xubuntu here i come
[21:12] <asantos3> btw
[21:13] <asantos3> are you aware of the UEFI problems?
[21:13] <Vazity> no
[21:13] <Vazity> i will disable it
[21:13] <Vazity> uefi and that other thing
[21:13] <Vazity> so i can get grub working
[21:14] <mrkramps> grub can handle UEFI
[21:14] <asantos3> yes but some but there's some problems with it
[21:14] <mrkramps> depends
[21:14] <Vazity> ye but i did get grub working last time
[21:14] <Vazity> so u say i cant use xubuntu?
[21:14] <asantos3> you can
[21:15] <mrkramps> Vazity, depending on your windows version you may be reliant on efi boot
[21:15] <Vazity> ??
[21:15] <Vazity> windows 8.1
[21:16] <mrkramps> will require efi afaik
[21:16] <Vazity> what is that
[21:16] <knome> that is, if you will want to keep windows in the side
[21:17] <mrkramps> and if you have win installed and then install xubuntu in legacy boot mode,  you cannot boot windows anymore
[21:18] <mrkramps> Vazity, you should urgently read about EFI Boot Management
[21:18] <Vazity> well i have done dual boot before
[21:19] <Vazity> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4ui8zgu2kc
[21:20] <Vazity> ok now im unsure if i can do it..
[21:20] <Vazity> i though i could just remove uefi from bios
[21:20] <Vazity> and that other thing
[21:23] <asantos3> It's really easy man
[21:24] <Vazity> how
[21:24] <Vazity> grub will install automaticaly right
[21:24] <Vazity> and if i go in bios and remove uefi all good right?
[21:24] <Vazity> i would like to start my process now
[21:25] <asantos3> i'm trying to think of a simple way to say it
[21:25] <Vazity> will the graphic thing work when i do click test xubuntu
[21:25] <Vazity> if so im not going to install it on dual boot
[21:25] <Vazity> if it works on that ill just replace windows
[21:25] <Vazity> with xubuntu
[21:26] <asantos3> yes it will, you can try it
[21:26] <Vazity> I will just remove uefi and legacy
[21:26] <Vazity> in bios?
[21:26] <Vazity> deactivate it
[21:26] <Vazity> or what do i need to deactivate in bios
[21:26] <Vazity> plz tell me
[21:26] <knome> Vazity, you really should read about it yourself
[21:27] <Vazity> i know, knome
[21:27] <knome> Vazity, we've told you what you need to do; either you haven't listened or understood
[21:27] <Vazity> omg you are so mad, knome
[21:27] <asantos3> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[21:27] <knome> Vazity, it isn't a good starting point to go ahead and do something you don't understnad
[21:27] <Vazity> im wondering what i need to deactiave in bios
[21:27] <Vazity> i understand him, knome
[21:28] <knome> Vazity, i'm not mad; i don't want you to make your system unusable
[21:28] <Vazity> its cool i do it all the time
[21:28] <asantos3> knome is right, you might f**k all up
[21:28] <knome> asantos3, please, this is still a family-friendly channel
[21:29] <knome> Vazity, if it's cool and you do it all the time, what do you need us telling what you need to enable or disable in bios?
[21:29] <Vazity> i dont care, knome
[21:29] <asantos3> I put the *** things :/
[21:29] <knome> asantos3, that doesn't help really, you know it.
[21:29] <Vazity> you are fucking moron
[21:29] <Vazity> let him help me
[21:29] <asantos3> c'mon man :V
[21:30] <sirnaysayer> Jesus freenode sucks
[21:30] <knome> sirnaysayer, excuse me?
[21:31] <vazity> omg rude
[21:31] <sirnaysayer> Maybe just these main channels suck
[21:31] <knome> vazity, do you understand what i said - this is a family-friendly channel
[21:31] <vazity> suck
[21:31] <knome> vazity, you are free to ask for help as long as you follow the channel guidelines
[21:32] <vazity> ok knome tell me, what do i deactivate in bios
[21:32] <knome> vazity, it's not that black and white.
[21:32] <knome> you've been told before
[21:32] <knome> have you read about UEFI booting?
[21:32] <vazity> is it  secure boot and uefi?
[21:32] <vazity> yes
[21:32] <sirnaysayer> Vanity: the reason you should try looking up things yourself is so you don't have to deal with self righteous people in IRC.
[21:32] <knome> do you understand what disabling (U)EFI in bios means for your windows installation?
[21:33] <vazity> i can just activate it again later
[21:33] <vazity> lol
[21:34] <vazity> imma just test it out
[21:34] <vazity> cya
[22:08] <vazity> currently installing it, graphic driver worked great
[22:09] <vazity> hope grub will show up lol
[22:09] <vazity> i removed windows
[22:19] <vazity> Guys, i did it!!!! Wohoo, I'm so proud.
[22:44] <vazity> How do i install skype?
[22:51] <Unit193> !info skype-bin partner
[23:59] <zumper> I need help. Someone here?
[23:59] <knome> ask your question and find out
[23:59] <zumper> i deleted the xfce4-indicator-plugin i think


[00:36] <nhaines> mhall119: so far we only have 3 proposals via the CFP form.
[00:45] <nhaines> mhall119: also, thanks for that email from earlier.  I replied back.
[01:00] <mhall119> nhaines: can you send me which ones you have, so I can chase down the rest?
[01:10] <nhaines> mhall119: yup!


[10:41] <uzair> How to remove charm installed completely including its container ?
[15:44] <[Kid]> is there a way to use hostnames with juju and MAAS to deploy certain machine numbers to certain nodes by hostname?
[15:44] <[Kid]> to hostname maas
[15:53] <rick_h> [Kid]: no, you'd have to leverage tags probably.
[15:53] <[Kid]> ahh okay
[15:53] <[Kid]> i figured that might be the case
[15:54] <[Kid]> i guess it wasn't really meant to get that specific
[15:54] <[Kid]> how about defining specific subnets for pods in k8?
[15:54] <[Kid]> right now i think it might just be arbitrary subnets
[16:08] <bdx> [Kid]: yeah `juju deploy ubuntu --to <my-maas-machine-fqdn>`
[16:13] <rick_h> bdx: oh can you target the fqdn
[16:15] <[Kid]> bdx, but can you do that in the yaml?
[16:15] <[Kid]> i knew about the single one offs
[16:15] <[Kid]> i was thinking under the machine section in the yaml
[16:25] <bdx> ahh my bad
[16:25] <bdx> not sure in that case
[16:27] <[Kid]> damn
[16:28] <[Kid]> there isn't a ton of docs around the syntax and parameters for the yaml
[16:34] <bdx> [Kid]: far better idea would be to tag the machines in maas and just use the tags constraints though
[16:35] <bdx> even if you give the machine a tag that is its hostname
[16:45] <[Kid]> ahh that is smart.
[16:45] <[Kid]> thanks
[23:47] <R_P_S> so the juju install of a kubernetes cluster creates an additional charm called kubeapi-load-balancer which is required to access the api of kubernetes.  but what about apps hosted inside kubernetes?
[23:48] <R_P_S> do I need another load balancer (charm) to get through to the apps hosted inside kubernetes?  I went through a demo, but it used GCE for it's underlying k8s, and the last part was creating a service of type "loadbalancer"
[23:50] <R_P_S> but this is perpetually pending and not providing an endpoint
[23:51] <R_P_S> it should also be noted that all instances except the kubeapi-load-balancer are in AWS private subnets, but it's not even exposing anything on the private subnet ranges
[23:54] <[Kid]> R_P_S, i am doing something similar. my understanding is you have to create pods on your cluster and then you expose those.
[23:54] <[Kid]> you have to create a YAML that describes the service you want to expose, i.e. port mainly
[23:59] <R_P_S> yeah, here's the yaml file from the demo that's supposed to create this endpoint
[23:59] <R_P_S> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/omerio/kubernetes-graphviz/master/frontend-service.yaml
[23:59] <R_P_S> but kubectl get service shows: frontend-service       LoadBalancer   <IP_ADDRESS>   <pending>     80:32379/TCP   9m


[18:48] <ibeardslee> morning
[18:57] <snail> morning
[19:20] <ajmitch> morning
[20:19] <Atamira> mornin
[20:51] <thumper> morning


[06:55] <ara> good morning!
[14:41] <davmor2> fader_: morning
[14:41] <fader_> davmor2: Howdy
[14:41] <davmor2> you got a spare vm?
[14:41] <fader_> davmor2: I don't have one ready but I could build one reasonably quickly... what's up?
[14:42] <davmor2> can you confirm bug 412723
[14:42] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 412723 in xubuntu-meta "There is no audio in Xubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/412723
[14:43] <davmor2> it's a bit of bug :)
[14:44] <fader_> Sure, I'll see if I can repro... I'll kick it off in like an hour unless it needs to be right this second
[14:44] <davmor2> no any time today would be great ta
[14:45] <fader_> Roger wilco
[14:46] <davmor2> That's spiffing many thanks old chap
[14:46] <fader_> Indeed, quite.
[17:40] <davmor2> stgraber: ping
[18:15] <stgraber> davmor2: pong (quite busy though)
[18:19] <fader_> davmor2: FYI, I haven't been able to reproduce bug 412723 -- my i386 xubuntu install has sound
[18:19] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 412723 in xubuntu-meta "There is no audio in Xubuntu" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/412723
[18:32] <davmor2> fader_: Yes sorry I think it got fixed in the process it got respun again
[18:32] <fader_> :)
[18:33] <fader_> I'm just too slow.
[18:33] <davmor2> stgraber: whose dealing with the edubuntu project now
[18:34] <davmor2> fader_: Yes it's not like automated test where the machine do the hard work :P
[18:34]  * davmor2 ducks
[18:53] <stgraber> davmor2: that'd be highvoltage, Laserjock and me
[18:53] <davmor2> stgraber: the new dvd version just installs default ubuntu am I missing something?
[18:53] <stgraber> so, basically the edubuntu council
[18:54] <stgraber> davmor2: for now, it's, yes
[18:54] <stgraber> I don't think any of us had time to look at it yet
[18:54] <davmor2> Right okay that's all I needed to check thought I was goning mad
[18:54] <davmor2> going even
[18:55] <davmor2> stgraber: you'll be glad to hear that it installs then :)
[18:59] <stgraber> davmor2: great, thanks :)


[04:36] <theblazehen> Hi all
[05:49] <Squirm> morning
[05:49] <theblazehen> Hi
[06:00] <Kilos> morning all
[06:01] <theblazehen> Hi kilos
[06:01] <Kilos> hows theblazehen today
[06:01] <Kilos> im frozen already
[06:02] <theblazehen> I'm good and you
[06:02] <Kilos> goo ty
[06:02] <Kilos> good as well
[06:03] <Squirm> hello Kilos
[06:03] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[06:07] <Kilos> Maaz, tell HecticZA on freenode sudo aptitude install ubuntu-restricted-extras ubuntu-restricted-addons
[06:07] <Maaz> Kilos: Got it, I'll tell HecticZA on freenode
[06:10]  * Kilos has to clean pc sometime today. cpu heatsinc fins covered with dust
[06:11] <theblazehen> Kilos you should see my old one
[06:11] <Kilos> eish
[06:11] <Kilos> amazing how they collect dust
[06:11] <theblazehen> 14 years without  a clean...
[06:12] <Kilos> whew
[06:12] <theblazehen> Yea
[06:12] <Kilos> here it has to be done monthly. lotsa dust out in the open
[06:13] <Kilos> you can use you old one as a server
[06:13] <theblazehen> I do
[06:13] <theblazehen> Did
[06:13] <Kilos> ah
[06:14] <Kilos> the fly uses an old P2 for his server
[06:14] <theblazehen> Need more ethernet
[06:14] <theblazehen> Ok,  600mhz celeron here
[06:14] <Kilos> p2 slower than that
[06:15] <theblazehen> Ok
[06:19] <theblazehen> Hi jotrago
[06:42] <magespawn> good morning
[06:43] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[06:43] <Kilos> tonberryE352,
[06:43] <tonberryE352> hi
[06:44] <magespawn> happy birthday Kilos
[06:44] <Kilos> ty magespawn
[06:46]  * magespawn is playing hunt the driver for a zte mf190 modem on vista today
[06:47] <Kilos> eek
[06:47] <theblazehen> Hunt the driver?
[06:47] <Kilos> it should install when plugged in
[06:48] <theblazehen> Nvm
[06:48] <magespawn> it should, but does not
[06:48] <Kilos> its most likely locked to some other isp
[06:49] <Kilos> plug it into a ubuntu machine and use modem-manager-gui to see
[06:50] <magespawn> seems to work fine there and on my win7 machine
[06:50] <Kilos> oh my
[06:50] <Kilos> try differnt usb sockets
[06:51] <Vince-0> haai owens
[06:52] <magespawn> the funny thing is the connection manager on the modem installs fine, and you explore the modem but it does not install drivers
[06:52] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[06:52] <magespawn> hey Vince-0
[06:52] <Kilos> maybe some other one is already installed
[06:53] <Kilos> check whats installed already and remove it
[06:54] <magespawn> good idea
[06:54] <superfly> guten morgen
[06:55] <Kilos> morning superfly ty for wishes
[06:58] <magespawn> good morning superfly
[06:58] <superfly> hello magespawn
[06:58] <magespawn> did you get the mail i sent you?
[06:59] <Kilos> hi HawkiesZA
[06:59] <HawkiesZA> ola
[06:59] <Kilos> i go do sheep
[06:59] <magespawn> o/ HawkiesZA
[07:00] <HawkiesZA> \o magespawn
[07:02] <HawkiesZA> Meeting tonight, right?
[07:02] <magespawn> yup
[07:05] <superfly> magespawn: I did, thanks. Haven't had a chance to do anything with it though
[07:06] <magespawn> no worries, was just an idea
[08:12] <charl> good morning
[08:12] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:12]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[08:12] <Kilos> hi charl
[08:16] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[08:38] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[08:38] <Maaz> charl: Okay :-)
[08:39] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday
[08:41] <charl> hi Kilos
[08:41] <charl> how's it going
[08:42] <Kilos> cold but good ty and you
[08:42] <charl> good
[08:42] <charl> hot :) had a heat wave last week
[08:42] <charl> 30+ degrees
[08:42] <charl> even in the early morning hours did not drop below 20
[08:42] <Kilos> lekker
[08:43] <charl> not so sure, i don't really like the heat
[08:43] <charl> and it's humid
[08:43] <Kilos> hmm...
[08:48]  * Squirm looks around
[08:48] <charl> hi Squirm
[08:49] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[08:49] <charl> how's it going
[08:49] <Squirm> yeah it's going
[09:30] <Kilos> hi Xethron
[09:32] <Vince-0> Kilos, I am going to be on my mobile for tonight's meet
[09:33] <Kilos> thats fine Vince-0 if it cant do everything im sure monkey or nuvo will help
[09:43] <Vince-0> ya my mobile client is pretty decent, will see how it goes
[09:50] <Kilos> sigh i forgot how i got the tweet place working
[09:51] <Kilos> inetpro, ping
[09:53] <Kilos> ah birdie methinks
[09:55] <Kilos> aw only does one account at a time
[10:06] <magespawn> that was it Kilos
[10:07] <Kilos> the ubuntuza site need meeting news
[10:07] <magespawn> changed from pidgin because of Twitter stopping the version 1 api
[10:08] <Kilos> ya
[10:08] <Kilos> birdie is the only thing i got working apart from actually going online to twitter
[10:08] <Kilos> but i put my info in it not the ubuntuza one
[10:09] <Kilos> only client that still works to twitter is birdie i think
[10:09] <Kilos> stupid twits
[10:10] <Kilos> why block clients getting in
[10:15] <Kilos> thier loss i spose
[10:15] <Kilos> their\
[10:22] <Kilos> superfly, quinces pawpaws kumquats and guavas
[10:24] <magespawn> lots of work maintaining different versions of the api, not all the versions compatible
[10:25] <magespawn> Kilos I found the solution to the modem here http://is.gd/Mkd1kw
[10:30] <superfly> Kilos: good job
[10:34] <Kilos> so easy hey magespawn
[10:34] <magespawn> but a very strange solution
[10:35] <Kilos> yeah
[10:36] <Kilos> sucks does funny things
[10:41] <magespawn> superfly i cannot see where to edit the ubuntu-za page so that the meetings time is correct
[10:41] <magespawn> any help?
[10:44] <superfly> magespawn: down the side?
[10:45] <magespawn> yup that is the one
[11:46] <superfly> magespawn: that's in Google Calendar somewhere
[12:06] <magespawn> ahh okay will see if i can find something ty superfly
[12:07] <superfly> magespawn: let me see
[12:07] <superfly> what time is the meeting tonight?
[12:08] <magespawn> 19:30
[12:09] <superfly> meh. I don't have write access.
[12:12] <Kilos> wbb pc cleaning time
[12:12] <Kilos> hold thumbs
[12:14] <magespawn> superfly maybe inetpro?
[12:15] <superfly> maybe
[12:33] <magespawn> i was not aware that joomla and wordpress are programming languages ? http://itjobs.mybroadband.co.za/jobs/webmultimedia-designer-2/
[12:39] <Kilos> oh well lets see what stops working
[12:40] <magespawn> wb Kilos
[12:45] <Kilos> ty magespawn
[12:45] <magespawn> what have you changed?
[12:46] <Kilos> just blew it clean and added the outside cover with fan on
[12:46] <Kilos> but this is the dicey power socket that used to switch off on its own member
[12:49] <magespawn> ah right, looking good so far then
[12:51] <Kilos> yip
[12:51] <Kilos> hi N8Wulf
[12:52] <N8Wulf> Mr Kilos!!! How you my man?
[12:52] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[12:56] <N8Wulf> very well thanx... busy sorting HDDs... wanna build a Media server this week if all goes well
[12:57] <theblazehen> N8Wulf: What are you goint to run on? MiniDLNA?
[12:58] <Kilos> nice
[13:00] <N8Wulf> ow eish... Ubuntu and some server addOn I discovered a while back, cant remember the name right now. Webadmin like, but includes P&P support for HDDs as well as merging the HDDs into a single volume
[13:00] <N8Wulf> will look up MiniDLNA
[13:25] <charl> magespawn: that's really dumb, they scare off potential employees just by that nonsense
[13:26] <charl> talking about mybb, i saw something else equally dumb
[13:26] <charl> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/broadband/77656-good-news-for-internet-speeds-in-south-africa.html
[13:27] <charl> the title sounds positive, until you read further down:
[13:27] <charl> "âAt 2.1 Mbps, including a quarterly decline of less than 1%, South Africa continued to have the lowest average connection speed among the surveyed EMEA countries,â the report stated."
[13:29] <magespawn> charl: sometimes i think the recruitment agency/department could do with a little help in the wording of the adverts
[13:30] <magespawn> i have just seen another where i think superman would not be able to get the job
[13:30] <magespawn> at least according to the discription
[13:31] <charl> yeah i know those
[13:31] <charl> i once got an advertisement from a cape-town based agency looking for a person that can write "bug free code"
[13:31] <magespawn> so the perfect programmer then
[13:31] <charl> if even google, microsoft and the likes can't find people who can write bug-free code, i wonder how these people think they can get them
[13:32] <charl> how's that for demonstrating unrealistic expectations ?
[13:32] <magespawn> just a bit
[13:32] <magespawn> a bit like this one http://www.pnet.co.za/index.php?s=advert_view&g=4930&x=1900692&i=733&pop=1
[13:32] <charl> now you know if you take a job like that, doesn't matter how good you are, they will always be dissatisfied with your labour
[13:33] <magespawn> yup at least that above link they are prepared to pay, some do not even want to do that
[13:34] <charl> hold on, they want a network administrator who is going to do development?
[13:34] <magespawn> yup
[13:34] <charl> who are they kidding
[13:35] <charl> you can't possibly specialise on all that
[13:35] <magespawn> i am sort of heading in that direction, but not there yet
[13:36] <charl> that sounds too rough though, too many different technologies
[13:36] <charl> sounds like a minimum of two separate jobs
[13:36] <magespawn> i can do most of the networking they want, but i am only just learning to program
[13:36] <charl> but hold on, it gets worse
[13:36] <charl> most of the skills listed at the top have nothing to do with networking
[13:37] <charl> they are server/application administration
[13:37] <charl> basically they are looking for an it-all-rounder, not a network administrator
[13:38] <magespawn> yup so then server admin plus networking with development
[13:38] <charl> yeah, i don't know what the going rates are in .za but 25-30K sound a bit low for that
[13:38] <magespawn> maybe you would have to clean the toilets, make the coffee and drive the ceo around too
[13:38] <charl> yeah
[13:39] <charl> let me put it this way, even if you have all the necessary credentials, you would fast be burned out or over-stressed
[13:39] <Kilos> hmm china wins the supercomputer war
[13:40] <Kilos> 50+ petaflops
[13:40] <charl> with most of their people still living in poverty yes
[13:41] <charl> sounds a bit like the new russia - first man in space while people are dying of hunger on the ground
[13:44] <Kilos> http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/budget-supercomputers-for-every-business/
[13:44] <Kilos> hi psychicist
[13:44] <Kilos> pcs taking over everything
[13:45] <psychicist> hi Kilos
[13:46] <charl> hi psychicist
[13:46] <Kilos> Maaz, announce Meeting here tonight at 19.30 guys and gals
[13:46] <Maaz> Hear ye, hear ye! Meeting here tonight at 19.30 guys and gals
[13:46] <psychicist> hi charl
[13:46] <psychicist> oh
[13:46] <psychicist> right here?
[13:47] <charl> Kilos: how's it the meeting?
[13:47] <psychicist> I will be present for once!
[13:47] <charl> according to the topic the meeting is already past
[13:47] <charl> last week
[13:47] <Kilos> monthly meeting here
[13:47] <psychicist> oh
[13:47] <charl> Next Meeting: Mon, 17 Jun 19:30
[13:47] <magespawn> we had to psotpone that one till this week charl
[13:47] <Kilos> last week we had probs so postponed
[13:47] <psychicist> last week I was very busy with my mom coming over
[13:47] <charl> today it's tjhe 24th
[13:47] <psychicist> hello magespawn
[13:48] <charl> oh i see, topic has not been updated
[13:48] <Kilos> we couldnt get the pro to change dayes
[13:48] <Kilos> sorry
[13:48] <charl> np
[13:48] <Kilos> dates
[13:49] <magespawn> hey psychicist
[13:50] <magespawn> we are not sure who has the write access for the google calender either, so the website is also wrong at the moment
[13:53] <magespawn> i am off, see you at the meeting tonight
[13:54] <HawkiesZA> Cheerio
[13:54] <charl> ciao magespawn
[13:55] <charl> i will be there too
[14:13] <Kilos> JoTraGo, meeting here tonight at 19.30 hey
[14:15] <nuvolari> o/ aloha
[14:15] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos
[14:15] <nuvolari> het oom lekker verjaar?
[14:16] <Kilos> hi nuvolari
[14:16] <Kilos> ja dankie seun still en rustig
[14:16] <nuvolari> dis goed oom!
[14:17] <nuvolari> is die stoel heel vir vanaand?
[14:17] <Kilos> hoop so Vince-0 sal op sy foon wees
[14:17] <Kilos> maar jy en/apie is standby
[14:23] <nuvolari> okei
[15:11] <Vince-0> eks hier
[15:11] <Vince-0> but not all there
[15:12] <Kilos> mooi
[15:12] <Kilos> hehe
[15:12] <Vince-0> we talk about software freedom day on the dbnlug list today
[15:12] <Vince-0> its in September
[15:16] <Kilos> oh my remote got him
[16:10] <Vince-0> Seeing how this data connection holds out on IRC when I drive (afk)
[16:11] <Kilos> hmm...
[16:11] <Kilos> you hoping in and out
[16:11] <Kilos> hopping as well
[16:12] <Kilos> stand still when meeting starts
[16:12] <Kilos> hehe
[16:24] <Kilos> ohi SmilyBorg
[16:25] <SmilyBorg> Hey there
[16:35] <superfly> jammer oom Kilos, I'm not sure I can make it tonight. will see if I can pop in
[16:35] <Kilos> ok superfly ty for letting us know
[16:35] <kbmonkey> hello all
[16:35] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey
[16:36] <kbmonkey> we on at 19h30 hey?
[16:36] <Kilos> yessir
[16:36] <kbmonkey> goodey
[16:37] <Vince-0> Whoot only one disconnect
[16:37] <georgelappies> hi Kilos
[16:37] <Kilos> yo georgelappies  you in time to hang for the meeting
[16:38] <Vince-0> Hi peeps
[16:38] <georgelappies> cool :)
[16:38] <Kilos> no man Vince-0
[16:38] <Kilos> * Vince-0<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-za
[16:38] <Kilos> * Vince-0 has quit (Client Quit)
[16:38] <Kilos> * Vince-0<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-za
[16:38] <Kilos> * Vince-0 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[16:38] <Kilos> * Vince-0<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-za
[16:38] <Kilos> * Vince-0 has quit (Client Quit)
[16:38] <Kilos> * Vince-0<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-za
[16:38] <Kilos> and one more
[16:39] <Kilos> sorry for the spam peeps
[16:40] <kbmonkey> spam spam spam spam. monty python anyone?
[16:40]  * Kilos hides
[16:40] <kbmonkey> hi Vince-0 georgelappies Kilos and superfly en kie
[16:40] <georgelappies> hi kbmonkey
[16:40] <Vince-0> 3G vodacom for the lose
[16:41] <Kilos> voda gives lotsa stress
[16:41] <Kilos> service seems to have dropped
[16:41] <Kilos> or deteriorated
[16:42] <Vince-0> Only 4km drive
[16:42] <Kilos> wow
[16:42] <inetpro> Kilos: sorry I won't make it tonight
[16:42] <Kilos> aw inetpro where are you
[16:42] <Kilos> all ok??
[16:43] <Kilos> i spose ill have to watch the youngsters then
[16:43] <kbmonkey> who are you calling youngster? throws bananas
[16:43] <Kilos> lol
[16:44] <Kilos> youngsters includes everyone under 40
[16:44] <kbmonkey> do multiple personalities add up their ages?
[16:44] <Kilos> rofl
[16:55] <Kilos> eek now peer got him
[16:56] <Vince-0_> (Sitting still and still disconnects)
[16:56] <Kilos> oh my
[16:57] <Kilos> fone them and moan
[16:57] <Kilos> say you got serious meeting coming up
[16:57] <nuvolari> lol kbmonkey
[16:57] <nuvolari> aloha
[16:57] <Kilos> 111 is the number methinks
[16:58] <Kilos> nuvolari, jy spandeer te min tyd hier
[16:59] <Kilos> supper time
[17:03] <nuvolari> maaaaar ek kan nie help nie oom Kilos
[17:03] <nuvolari> as ek moet besig wees dan is dit so :-/
[17:04] <Kilos> hmm..
[17:04] <Kilos> in die aande ook?
[17:04] <nuvolari> my ouers was weer hier, en nou moet ek begin swot, en my suster-hulle kom die naweek vir 2 weke
[17:04] <nuvolari> ek skryf examen 5 aug
[17:05] <Kilos> sjoe
[17:05] <Kilos> ok as jy studeer is dit goed seun
[17:05] <Vince-0_> Wat skryf Jay?
[17:05] <Kilos> skuus man
[17:06] <nuvolari> Vince-0_: Oracle OCA :P
[17:06] <Vince-0_> I mean nov*, need tab key on mobile
[17:06] <Vince-0_> Nice!
[17:06] <Kilos> ask magespawn he worked it out on his goodie
[17:07] <nuvolari> I was a bit upset with the quality of the 'fificial' oracle guide
[17:07] <nuvolari> *official
[17:07] <nuvolari> it is full of errors
[17:07] <Vince-0_> Age nee
[17:08] <nuvolari> luckily found a book for the same exam from Packt
[17:08] <nuvolari> so far it is stacks better
[17:09] <kbmonkey> today I did a Java update at work, it read "brought to you by Oracle" and I thought, yeah standing on the shoulders of giants, aren't we?
[17:10] <Kilos> alles van die beste met die examen nuvolari
[17:11] <kbmonkey> ja good luck met die exams nuvo
[17:12] <Kilos> is examen the right word
[17:12] <Kilos> eksamen
[17:12] <Kilos> whew
[17:13] <kbmonkey> xmen?
[17:13] <kbmonkey> he he
[17:13] <kbmonkey> Kilos, what do you call a fly that lost it's wings?
[17:13] <Kilos> im getting bad with spelling
[17:13] <Kilos> walk
[17:14] <kbmonkey> :D
[17:14] <Kilos> hehe
[17:14] <nuvolari> thanks oom Kilos, kbmonkey
[17:15] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: did you read about the timed expirations on java installs?
[17:15] <nuvolari> it's messed up
[17:15] <kbmonkey> really? no I did not read about that yet.
[17:16] <kbmonkey> can 'o worms inc
[17:16] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday you here?
[17:16] <kbmonkey> nuvolari, I started on some processing (.org), it uses Java :D
[17:16] <nuvolari> http://www.reddit.com/r/java/comments/1gm2tn/jdk_now_comes_with_an_expiration_date_unknown/
[17:17] <kbmonkey> you can switch the build target over to Android too.
[17:18] <nuvolari> ooh, that looks interesting
[17:18] <Kilos> is android a complete OS
[17:19] <Kilos> just for fones or installable on pc as well
[17:19] <nuvolari> Kilos: well, it's built on the linux kernel
[17:19] <nuvolari> there is an x86 project where it can be installed on 'normal' computers too
[17:19] <Kilos> isnt that where the future lies
[17:20] <Kilos> have pc and fone the same
[17:20] <nuvolari> well, we have tablets
[17:22] <Kilos> hi there nlsthzn
[17:23] <Kilos> you just in time
[17:23] <nlsthzn> as always :D
[17:23] <nuvolari> aloha! :D
[17:23] <Kilos> hi theblazehen
[17:23] <theblazehen> hi Kilos
[17:24] <Kilos> yo HawkiesZA
[17:24] <HawkiesZA> Yello
[17:24] <HawkiesZA> How're things oom Kilos?
[17:24] <Kilos> good ty
[17:24] <Kilos> and you?
[17:25] <HawkiesZA> Pretty good, thanks
[17:26] <Kilos> Vince-0_, make sure so long you got bot control
[17:29] <Vince-0_> Ag nee this connekie will not do
[17:30] <Kilos> your choice do you wanna delegate the chair
[17:30] <Kilos> it time
[17:31] <Vince-0_> I think so, I will be door bouncer
[17:31] <Kilos> kbmonkey, ping
[17:31] <Kilos> between you and nuvolari for chair
[17:31] <kbmonkey> yup
[17:31] <Kilos> times moving
[17:31] <kbmonkey> am I hosting or vince?
[17:31] <Kilos> no multitasking
[17:32] <Kilos> vince got probs with konnecting
[17:32] <Kilos> so you it
[17:32] <kbmonkey> okay
[17:32]  * nuvolari :O the agenda is empty
[17:32] <Kilos> kbmonkey, go go go
[17:33] <kbmonkey> let me find that agenda page...
[17:33] <Kilos> setup the bot first man
[17:33] <nuvolari>  http://bit.ly/18snzox
[17:34] <kbmonkey> Maaz, start meeting about Monthly IRC meet June 2013
[17:34]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[17:34] <nlsthzn> Maaz, my name is Neil Oosthuizen
[17:34] <Kilos> Maaz, I am Miles Sharpe\
[17:34] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay
[17:34] <Maaz> nlsthzn: I already know stuff about my name
[17:34] <nlsthzn> fffuuuuuuuu
[17:34] <nuvolari> Maaz: I am Johan Mynhardt
[17:34] <Maaz> nuvolari: Alrighty
[17:34] <nlsthzn> Maaz, I am Neil Oosthuizen
[17:34] <Maaz> nlsthzn: Alrighty
[17:34] <Kilos> apologies from inetpro and superfly
[17:35] <kbmonkey> Maaz, I am Wesley Werner
[17:35] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Alrighty
[17:35] <theblazehen> Maaz, I am Jeandre Henderson
[17:35] <Maaz> theblazehen: Righto
[17:35] <Vince-0> Maaz, I am Vincent Swart
[17:35] <Maaz> Vince-0: Righto
[17:35] <HawkiesZA> Maaz: I am Gerrit Vermeulen
[17:35] <Maaz> HawkiesZA: Righto
[17:35] <SmilyBorg> Maaz: I am Una Karlsen
[17:35] <Maaz> SmilyBorg: Done
[17:36] <Kilos> Maaz, welcome
[17:36] <Maaz> Welcome to tonights meeting everyone
[17:36] <nuvolari> we're doing something wrong
[17:36] <nuvolari> why aren't the events showing up on ubuntu.com?
[17:36] <Kilos> what?
[17:36] <kbmonkey> the fact that we don't have an agenda nuvolari ?
[17:36] <nuvolari> oh, past meetings
[17:36] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Welcome
[17:36] <Maaz> Current Topic: Welcome
[17:36] <nuvolari> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-za/meetings/history/ <- looks better :P
[17:37] <kbmonkey> Welcome every one, ladies and gents
[17:37] <nlsthzn> alo all
[17:37] <Kilos> ty mr chair
[17:37] <kbmonkey> I will add the agenda items as we go, the loco pages are a bit slow so bear with us :)
[17:37] <nuvolari> oh hi nlsthzn
[17:37] <nuvolari> hmm, not just the loco pages
[17:38] <nuvolari> the interwebs in general is slow tonight
[17:38]  * nuvolari blames 8ta
[17:38] <kbmonkey> the agenda url lives at http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/602/detail/
[17:38] <kbmonkey> so while I distract everyone with these bananas, I will add the next item...
[17:39] <Kilos> hehe
[17:39] <nlsthzn> om nom nom
[17:39] <HawkiesZA> BANANA!
[17:39] <kbmonkey> exactly that :)
[17:39] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: I'm updating the meeting details
[17:39] <HawkiesZA> An alien's favourite fruit
[17:39] <nuvolari> wonder if that will mess things up
[17:40] <kbmonkey> it's a race condition :D
[17:40] <Kilos> ya he has a pottasium shortage so lives off nanas
[17:40] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: what's your loco name?
[17:40] <nuvolari> login name
[17:41] <kbmonkey> it is wesley-werner nuvolari
[17:41] <kbmonkey> so the public holiday threw us off, shall we refer to the meeting before for the minutes?
[17:42] <nlsthzn> never shall it be mentioned again...
[17:42] <Kilos> yip
[17:42] <nlsthzn> :p
[17:42] <nuvolari> :-/ wesley-werner isn't in the list
[17:43] <kbmonkey> I can't seem to find a link to the previous minutes, only the chat log
[17:43] <nuvolari> found it
[17:44] <nuvolari> will get it now kbmonkey
[17:44] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Announcements and Admin
[17:44] <Maaz> Current Topic: Announcements and Admin
[17:44] <kbmonkey> okay, so to announce, we are ahving an impromptu agenda today
[17:44] <nuvolari> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/575/detail/
[17:44] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: ^^
[17:44] <kbmonkey> does anyone have a topic they like to discuss after the usual topics?
[17:45] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: SmilyBorg mentioned SFD on the list
[17:45] <kbmonkey> thanks nuvolari! I was looking there, that log link points to the chat log, and not one of the meeting either :p lol
[17:45] <nuvolari> or was id dlug o.O
[17:45] <nuvolari> can't remember
[17:46] <kbmonkey> oh dear, I have not read any email to see that. I am a terrible geek.
[17:46] <charl> sorry, a bit late
[17:46] <SmilyBorg> I mentioned SFD on the on the dbn-lug list
[17:46] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: yeah, dlug
[17:46] <Kilos> hi charl Cantide
[17:46] <charl> Maaz: i am Charl van Niekerk
[17:46] <Maaz> charl: Done
[17:46] <SmilyBorg> though it makes sense for others to know and get involved
[17:46] <charl> hi Kilos :)
[17:46] <Cantide> oh hi Kilos charl
[17:47] <charl> hi Cantide
[17:47] <Cantide> Maaz: I am Karl Wortmann
[17:47] <Maaz> Cantide: Alrighty
[17:47] <Cantide> sorry, forgot about the meeting :o
[17:47] <Cantide> just luck that i got here now :)
[17:47] <nuvolari> welcome Cantide
[17:47] <Cantide> hey nuvolari
[17:47] <kbmonkey> ah found them. okay previous minutes for May 20th live at http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-05-20-17-38-47.txt
[17:47] <Kilos> kinda chaotic tonight
[17:48] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: link to the dbn-lug topic re. SFD: https://groups.google.com/d/topic/dbnlug/txR4bWPn5wo/discussion
[17:48] <kbmonkey> okay let's get this on
[17:48] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Review previous minutes
[17:48] <Maaz> Current Topic: Review previous minutes
[17:48] <kbmonkey> So I was tasked to update the team reports
[17:49] <kbmonkey> that did not happen, I am sad to say. I was not too sure on content to include.
[17:49] <kbmonkey> I need to help source some events or happenings to write about
[17:49] <nuvolari> *cough* nlsthzn halp? ^^
[17:49] <nlsthzn> *yawn*
[17:50] <Kilos> hehe
[17:50] <Kilos> when i doubt ask!
[17:50] <Kilos> in
[17:50] <Vince-0> Dnblug hangout this Thursday at 8pm
[17:50] <nlsthzn> like I asked last time.. we need some central place to record the stuff, like a google doc
[17:50] <nlsthzn> then it is easy for who ever to update
[17:50] <kbmonkey> fine. Thanks Vince-0, noted in events!
[17:51] <nlsthzn> I had the same issue finding what who did and where they recorded it
[17:51] <nuvolari> or did not record it
[17:51] <Vince-0> Don't have link right now, notes are under construction
[17:52] <nlsthzn> nuvolari, yup, what I did once was to blog it myself and link an ubuntu hour for record keeping
[17:52] <kbmonkey> nlsthzn, you dealt with this before. you know the problem is not collating the data, but getting it in the first place.
[17:52] <nlsthzn> kbmonkey, exactly
[17:53] <nuvolari> solution: we should just google+-event it :P
[17:53] <nlsthzn> might work but not all use google products
[17:53] <nuvolari> with a hangout
[17:53] <nlsthzn> lol
[17:53] <nuvolari> then have digital references to go back to in the form of a video :P
[17:54] <kbmonkey> I vote for that, there is bound to be one person with G+ access
[17:54] <kbmonkey> any way we can link it to the ubuntu-za group / page / tag to find it later?
[17:54] <nuvolari> I'm shocked that there are people out there that 'don't want to' use google products
[17:55] <Vince-0> Google is now a necessary evil
[17:55] <nlsthzn> NSA approives
[17:55] <nlsthzn> *aaproves
[17:55] <nlsthzn> *approvesdd
[17:55] <nlsthzn> *approves
[17:55] <kbmonkey> there is a ubuntu-za google group. who admins that?
[17:55] <nuvolari> ok, it might be something nice for once in a while to have a hangout for Ubuntu-ZA
[17:55] <Kilos> inetpro, methinks kbmonkey
[17:56] <nuvolari> but IRC still reigns king
[17:56] <magespawn>  howdy all
[17:56] <Cantide> hi magespawn
[17:56] <nuvolari> howdy magespawn
[17:56] <magespawn>  Maaz I am Greg Eames
[17:56] <Maaz> magespawn: Yessir
[17:56] <magespawn> sorry for being late
[17:56] <kbmonkey> hi magespawn
[17:56] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic
[17:56] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Sorry...
[17:57] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[17:57] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: current topic
[17:57] <nuvolari> er
[17:57] <nuvolari> Maaz: current topic
[17:57] <Maaz> nuvolari: Excuse me?
[17:57] <nuvolari> oh :-/
[17:57] <kbmonkey> Maaz, agreed track events on G+  via the Ubuntu-ZA community at https://plus.google.com/communities/117322247779910275992
[17:57] <Maaz> Agreed: track events on G+  via the Ubuntu-ZA community at https://plus.google.com/communities/117322247779910275992
[17:58] <kbmonkey> lets see how it goes using that...
[17:58] <kbmonkey> we are on Admin right now, move to Events?
[17:58] <nuvolari> +1
[17:59] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Events
[17:59] <Maaz> Current Topic: Events
[17:59] <nuvolari> I'm not aware of any events, but then again I'm quite disconnected :P
[18:00] <kbmonkey> okay, Dnblug hangout this Thursday at 8pm. Vince will post the details on this to the lists for us
[18:01] <kbmonkey> our meet up with the fly was pretty nice, there was no geekery with hardware though
[18:01] <Kilos> hehe
[18:01] <Cantide> kbmonkey, i missed that :'(
[18:02] <magespawn> like ways up here when he did his handbrake turn in hluhluwe
[18:02] <Cantide> lol
[18:02] <nuvolari> lol!
[18:02] <kbmonkey> now that is news worthy :)
[18:03] <nuvolari> the most action hluhluwe seen in a year
[18:03] <Kilos> hehe
[18:03] <kbmonkey> okay so it seems pretty quiet then
[18:03] <magespawn> in the geek/ubuntu-za/linux area for sure
[18:04] <kbmonkey> dang nabbit
[18:05] <kbmonkey> not much of a gamer, but anyone keen for a meetup to play a supertuxkart tourney?
[18:05] <Vince-0> Yar! Maybe an fps
[18:06] <Cantide> i bought the humble indie bundle 8 a few weeks ago :) some nice games there - and on Linux, too :)
[18:06] <kbmonkey> sure if it runs on my lappie
[18:06] <nlsthzn> kbmonkey, bring it on my tux kart rocks
[18:06] <nuvolari> ack, would you guys and ladies excuse me early please?
[18:07] <Kilos> yip nuvolari ty for coming in
[18:07] <nuvolari> sorry for being inconvenient :-/
[18:07] <kbmonkey> okay then we have a task: discuss some possible game tourneys. I feel too serious and don't play enough. I bet many others feel the same ;)
[18:07] <Kilos> life happens
[18:07] <kbmonkey> sure nuvolari, thanks for joining
[18:07] <kbmonkey> in fact, this is our last topic, there are no more after this
[18:07] <nuvolari> cheers everyone, have a nice evening, thanks for the meeting so far :)
[18:07] <Kilos> cheers nuvolari
[18:08] <Kilos> study hard
[18:08] <kbmonkey> Vince-0, I was thinking STK as you can play on the same machine with usb gamepads. so it can happen at a coffee shoppe or the like.
[18:09] <kbmonkey> I realize getting a venue is sometimes troublesome
[18:09] <Vince-0> Can use my office, nice broadband
[18:09] <kbmonkey> study hard meneer
[18:10] <kbmonkey> that would rock 'n roll Vince-0 :)
[18:10] <Cantide> :)
[18:10] <Cantide> where is this? haha
[18:11] <kbmonkey> something to think about indeed
[18:11] <kbmonkey> okay for the rest do you have event related info to add?
[18:11]  * Cantide recommends humble indie bundles
[18:12] <kbmonkey> those are great Cantide
[18:12] <Cantide> yes, yes they are
[18:13] <kbmonkey> okay before we get off topic, can I close off this one?
[18:13] <Cantide> yes from me, not sure about others
[18:13] <Squirm> Maaz: I am Sinjin Swanepoel
[18:13] <Maaz> Squirm: Yessir
[18:13] <Kilos> yes
[18:13] <magespawn> i am good
[18:13] <kbmonkey> A reminder that the mailing list is still primary means of discussing events.
[18:13] <Kilos> hehe wb Squirm
[18:14] <kbmonkey> for those of us who even read our emails... *looks guilty*
[18:14] <Kilos> and here man
[18:14] <Squirm> yeah :/
[18:14] <nlsthzn> google spam detector munches 90% of mails from the list
[18:14] <Kilos> lol
[18:14] <Cantide> oh, i still seem to get a lot of them
[18:14] <magespawn> add the list email
[18:14] <kbmonkey> add the mailing list address to your contacts
[18:15] <kbmonkey> anyway, I want to thank everyone here for joining. It was interesting.
[18:15] <Cantide> yes, that's probably what i did and i have forgotten
[18:15] <Cantide> oh, i have something to add
[18:15] <Cantide> to the meeting
[18:15] <kbmonkey> go ahead Cantide :)
[18:16] <Cantide> just a thought
[18:16] <Cantide> and this hasn't been thought through very well, i might add, so it may be a bit silly
[18:16] <Cantide> but as a loco
[18:16] <Cantide> is it possible to do something for charity + ubuntu..
[18:16] <Cantide> like for example, donate some ubuntu disks somewhere
[18:17] <Cantide> 2 problems - finding the right place to donate them, and ensuring that it's not a waste of time
[18:17] <magespawn> for us to donate?
[18:18] <Cantide> yeah
[18:18] <Cantide> would be a nice way to spread Ubuntu
[18:18] <kbmonkey> Good idea Cantide, but to whom would we donate?
[18:18] <Cantide> that's the problem :p
[18:19] <Kilos> start with schools
[18:19] <kbmonkey> educationals already have contracts for OS's (mostly anyway)
[18:19] <Cantide> yeah, that is one possibility
[18:19] <kbmonkey> if we can find one that doesn't it is a plan
[18:19] <Cantide> but we'd not be able to donate hardware - too costly
[18:20] <Cantide> so just disks... but then setting it up etc. etc. etc.
[18:20] <magespawn> no they don't, at least not ms, they stopped the schools program
[18:20] <Cantide> so yeah, it's a nice idea, but it has some serious complications to work through first
[18:20] <Kilos> supply stckers on the dvds on where to get help
[18:21] <Kilos> stickers
[18:21] <Cantide> eh, us offering support would be tricky :p although we could grow our channel that way
[18:21] <magespawn> well i am sure we can come up with some ideas
[18:21] <kbmonkey> do pre-schools have a need for pc's?
[18:21] <Cantide> annnnnnnnyway, just a thought
[18:21] <kbmonkey> something to think on, thanks Cantide :)
[18:22] <Cantide> it would be cool to do something like that, if we could get over the initial hurdles
[18:22] <Cantide> Africa is a good place for that imho
[18:22] <Cantide> maybe someone on the mailing list would know of a place to donate
[18:22] <Cantide> for example
[18:23] <Cantide> then we each chip in a hundred or so, and someone volunteers to burn the disks, someone else in the region collects them and distributes them
[18:23] <kbmonkey> put some feelers out
[18:23] <Squirm> magespawn: we have the schools license
[18:24] <Cantide> hardware is probably much easier to donate than software, too -.-v
[18:24] <kbmonkey> what license is that Squirm ?
[18:24] <magespawn> not free anymore though Squirm
[18:24] <Squirm> I think the biggest issue with distributing disks, is the actual setup and time taken to teach
[18:25] <Squirm> kbmonkey: for MS?
[18:25] <Squirm> or was this for ubuntu
[18:25] <kbmonkey> ah. for ubuntu
[18:25] <Cantide> Squirm, yes, but perhaps we could get around that by finding a place that is willing to do that themselves, and join here for help, as an example
[18:26] <Cantide> if it's too difficult to do, then scrap it :p
[18:26] <Cantide> just thought it was a nice idea
[18:26] <Cantide> i will have some free time in a month
[18:26] <kbmonkey> some nice thoughts there
[18:27] <Squirm> I still want to set up a toaster :/
[18:27] <kbmonkey> Alright folks, just before we hit the hour mark we say goodbye.
[18:27] <Cantide> :p
[18:27] <Kilos> next meet 15th?
[18:27] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic next meeting
[18:27] <Maaz> Current Topic: next meeting
[18:28] <kbmonkey> the 15th is the 3rd Monday in July
[18:28] <Kilos> yip
[18:29] <nlsthzn> koobai
[18:29] <kbmonkey> Sounds good, the 15th it will be. I'll grab the chair.
[18:29] <Kilos> cheers nlsthzn sleep tight
[18:29] <Kilos> ty for being here
[18:29] <kbmonkey> Maaz, agreed Wesley to chair next meeting on 15 July
[18:29] <Maaz> Agreed: Wesley to chair next meeting on 15 July
[18:29]  * nlsthzn not sleeping now... just saying koobai before the hour as asked
[18:29] <Kilos> lol
[18:29] <kbmonkey> if anyone wants to chair send us an email on the list
[18:30] <Kilos> ty for chairing at such short notice kbmonkey
[18:30] <kbmonkey> immediate notice ;)
[18:30] <Kilos> Vince-0, get 8ta
[18:30] <Kilos> hehe ya
[18:30] <kbmonkey> Thanks all! meeting over and out.
[18:30] <kbmonkey> Maaz, end meeting
[18:30] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[18:30] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-06-24-17-34-16.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-06-24-17-34-16.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-06-24-17-34-16.html
[18:30] <Cantide> thanks kbmonkey :)
[18:31] <Kilos> 8ta might be a bit slow but seems more stable anyway
[18:31] <kbmonkey> Okay now I will make the event for next time with the links ;)
[18:31] <Cantide> cool :)
[18:31] <Kilos> i go crash now guys
[18:31] <Cantide> and link us to it here
[18:31] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:31] <Cantide> night Kilos
[18:31] <HawkiesZA> night Kilos
[18:31] <kbmonkey> Night Kilos
[18:31] <Kilos> ty all
[18:34] <kbmonkey> oh dear, do not click the submit agenda item button twice. oops.
[18:37] <charl> ciao
[18:41]  * magespawn goes to check other social media
[18:42] <kbmonkey> okay the agenda lives at http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/615/detail/
[18:43] <kbmonkey> After that experience I don't want to load any more pages XD
[18:43] <Cantide> haha
[18:44] <kbmonkey> Right. I'd love to play a bit but I have lectures to watch
[18:44] <Cantide> :)
[18:44] <Cantide> good luck
[18:44] <kbmonkey> I am a week behind from internet suckage last week. eina
[18:45] <Cantide> :(
[18:45]  * Cantide builds kbmonkey a time machine
[18:45] <Cantide> I am four weeks behind because the police lost my documents
[18:45] <Cantide> welcome to Africa -.-
[18:45] <kbmonkey> Thanks! warps back to the future
[18:46] <kbmonkey> open a theft case against them. he he
[18:46] <kbmonkey> that truly sucks Cantide :(
[18:46] <Cantide> haha
[18:46] <Cantide> yeah, it does
[18:47] <Cantide> especially because the company in Korea asked me a day later how my documents were coming along -.-
[18:47] <Cantide> anyway, go watch your lectures!
[18:47] <kbmonkey> right!
[19:03] <magespawn> this is cool http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/06/cassini-captures-gigantic-hurricane-on-saturn-in-exquisite-detail/
[19:10] <Cantide> yes, thanks :)
[19:10] <magespawn> good night all
[19:10] <Cantide> I also like looking out for pictures of mars these days
[19:10] <Cantide> night night '<


[07:32] <dholbach> good morning
[08:06] <nhaines> dholbach: good morning!
[08:06] <nhaines> Say, I got a title for that unnamed wallpaper image.  Could I bother you to rename the file?
[08:07] <dholbach> hey nhaines
[08:07] <dholbach> ugh, ok
[08:07] <nhaines> Yeah, I asked him but didn't actually think I'd get a reply ever.  But he replied about 12 hours ago.
[08:08] <nhaines> P5160283 is "Light my fire evening sun"
[08:08] <nhaines> I'd do it but it's been long enough that I've seriously used bzr that I'm pretty sure right before bed I'd just break everything. :)
[08:09] <svij> the ubuntu community legend can break things? Oh… :P
[08:09] <nhaines> svij: sure, it's part of the legend!  :P
[08:09] <svij> haha
[08:11] <dholbach> nhaines, can you file a bug and see if somebody can help fixing it? I'm on a bad connection and it'll require uploading 80M again
[08:12] <nhaines> dholbach: sure.  Let me try to fix it first before I do that.
[08:12] <nhaines> svij: this is where the fun begins!
[08:12] <dholbach> the package will need to be renamed to 15.10.3-0ubuntu1 because a file will need to get a new name
[08:13] <svij> nhaines: good luck, Mr. Legend ;)
[08:13] <dholbach> the following files will need changing too: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12637051/
[08:13] <svij> bad connection? Are you in a train from Deutsche Bahn, dholbach ? ;)
[08:13] <dholbach> in a remote part of a small island :)
[08:14] <nhaines> Hmm, that sounds more fun than me.  Although I do have a tropical island alcoholic drink.  :)
[08:14] <svij> remote part of a small island?
[08:15] <dholbach> a mostly uninhabited area
[08:16] <nhaines> Best kind.
[08:17] <svij> I would guess Brandenburg, but it's not an island :P
[08:25] <nhaines> dholbach: is there a way to generate the ./debian/changelog message or should I just wing it?
[08:26] <dholbach> dch -i
[08:30] <nhaines> man dch
[08:30] <nhaines> Oh hi, other window.
[08:37] <nhaines> dholbach: okay, I've made all the changes and committed them to my local branch.  I'm slightly unsure which bzr command to use to send it to launchpad.
[08:38] <dholbach> which branch did you use as a base? lp:ubuntu-wallpapers?
[08:38] <nhaines> Yes.
[08:38] <dholbach> bzr push lp:~nhaines/ubuntu-wallpapers/fix-photo-filename
[08:38] <dholbach> bzr lp-propose
[08:38] <nhaines> Actually, it was technically https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-art-pkg/ubuntu-wallpapers/ubuntu
[08:53] <nhaines> *Just* in case, I rebranched (unnecessarily, I think), and did all the other things.
[08:53] <nhaines> https://code.launchpad.net/~nhaines/ubuntu-wallpapers/fix-photo-filename/+merge/273192
[08:53] <nhaines> It's like magic!  :)
[09:07] <dholbach> great
[09:11] <nhaines> dholbach: do you know where or how the FCS or wallpaper winners were announced in years (cycles) past?
[09:11] <dholbach> on fridge I think
[09:14] <nhaines> dholbach: okay, thanks.  Tomorrow I'll get to work on that.  Hmm, I wonder if I can post on fridge.  :)
[09:17] <dholbach> brilliant, thanks
[15:22] <dpm> nhaines, mhall119, how long are talks usually at UbuCon @ SCALE? Looking at the schedule and room availability, we've got 1h slots. I wonder if it's not too long and 30 or 40 min slots might be an idea
[15:22] <dpm> I got this thought after reading popey's report on devrelcon, where there were slots of varying sizes (well, times) from 20 to 40 mins
[15:23] <dpm> For the scheduled talks day, I mean
[15:23] <popey> yeah, 10 (lightning), 20, 40.
[15:24] <mhall119> dpm: IIRC, they were either 1 hour or slighly less (50 minutes)
[17:06] <pleia2> I've increasingly come to enjoy 40 minute slots, if you have an hour it gives time for the presenter to handle the hoard that rushes the podium and clear out before the next talk
[17:06] <pleia2> 1 hour space, 40 minute speaking slots
[17:07] <pleia2> also, if there are other events going on, syncing up our schedule with theirs would be good, one year Ubucon was shifted slightly from all others, which make it tricky to attend different tracks (I was speaking in a different track, very awkward)
[17:08] <svij> we have 30, 50 and 110 Minutes (workshops), 10 minutes to move rooms at ubucon germany
[20:25] <nhaines> pleia2: that's because Ubucon is more important than any other track and people should be visiting us!
[20:26] <pleia2> nhaines: in all seriousness, I think it hurt us
[20:26] <pleia2> if they weren't single-tracking it us, it made it hard for them to attend at all
[20:26] <pleia2> s/it us/it with us
[20:26] <elacheche_anis> Evening LoCos :)
[20:27] <nhaines> pleia2: in all seriousness, I seem to recall that was a result of miscommunication and *everybody* was happy when it was fixed next year.  :)
[20:27] <pleia2> nhaines: ah, good :)
[20:28] <nhaines> Ubucon SCALE talks are an hour apart, and the idea is that this is 40 minutes of talking, 10 of Q&A, and 10 to allow for attendance churn and the little miscellaneous things the organizers have to do.
[20:28] <nhaines> Fresh water and mints, mic swapout, etc.  :)
[20:28]  * pleia2 nods
[20:30] <nhaines> Exception for Q&A sessions which tend to be 2 minutes of talking and 55 minutes of Q&A.


[17:31] <mpt> AlanBell, I include accessible labels whenever I remember. <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeAndDate#Title> is a relatively complex example.
[17:32] <mpt> AlanBell, I also included "Is the change accessible? (For example, have you specified accessible labels for any graphic-only elements?)" in <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpecTemplate>.
[18:19] <AlanBell> excellent :)
[18:21] <AlanBell> it is getting better, for certain
[18:21] <AlanBell> just some things it is a retrofitting exercise
[18:43] <AlanBell> so, this new blog thing http://design.canonical.com/
[18:43] <AlanBell> october, january, october, september, november, august, august, october
[18:44] <AlanBell> how am I supposed to know which article is the newest without reading all the dates and working it out?
[18:51] <AlanBell> so the latest blog post is in the bottom left corner
[18:53] <xnox> AlanBell: go to the archive http://design.canonical.com/archives/
[18:54] <xnox> AlanBell: the landing page is meant to be attractive & eye-catching =)
[18:54] <AlanBell> yeah, the archives make sense
[18:54]  * xnox reads via rss feed, so all I saw from the "redesign" of the design blog was the cool team picture in the rss feed :P