[13:12] <highvoltage> hey Cheri703. read your interview a few days ago. nice :)
[13:39] <Cheri703> thanks :)


[00:58] <mr-rus1> how to I checkout an svn branch/trunk using ubuntu bzr?
[00:58] <mr-rus1> bzr-svn doesn't exist and I can't find commands on the website for what to do.
[00:59] <jelmer> mr-russ: ? ubuntu has bzr-svn
[00:59] <mr-russ> I installed bzr-svn package, but there is only a bzr command
[00:59] <jelmer> ah
[00:59] <jelmer> bzr-svn allows the regular bzr command to access svn urls
[01:00] <mr-russ> ah, then I did have it sort of working.
[01:00] <mr-russ> how then do I commit without committing to svn, and only commit to the bzr tree?
[01:01] <jelmer> mr-russ: If you create a standalone branch it won't automatically commit to svn
[01:02] <mr-russ> ah, so you need to pass that as a parameter.
[01:02] <jelmer> ?
[01:02] <mr-russ> Unfortunatley I'm too new at bzr altogether for this to be as easy as it might be.
[01:03] <jelmer> if you create a branch by running "bzr branch svn://..." it won't automatically commit to svn
[01:04] <mr-russ> I'm using https://  I hope that doesn't make a difference.
[01:04] <jelmer> no
[01:04]  * mr-russ waits for it to download to see how we go at attempt 2.
[01:09] <mathrick> mr-russ: bzr branch off an SVN repo is the same as a branch off any other repo, it's independent and separate from the original branch
[01:16] <mr-russ> for some reason my first attempt committed to svn.  but it doesn't now.
[01:16] <mr-russ> thanks for the help.
[01:16] <mr-russ> I'll now work out how to commit the changes to svn.
[01:17] <james_w> mr-russ: if you are now using the result of "branch" then you only commit locally. Use "bzr push" to move the changes to svn.
[01:18] <james_w> see "bzr help bind" if you wish to make it default to commit to both.
[01:21] <mr-russ> a basic tutorial on the subversion page would be quite helpful.  especially for those of us coming from SVN.
[01:21] <mr-russ> because bzr push  doesn't automatically put the tree back in the same place you got it from.
[01:21] <james_w> mr-russ: to which subversion page do you refer?
[01:22] <mr-russ> http://bazaar-vcs.org/BzrForeignBranches/Subversion
[01:22] <james_w> and what do you mean by that statement?
[01:23] <mr-russ> coming from svn, when you checkout something.  when you hit svn commit, it commits to the same svn tree.
[01:24] <mr-russ> bzr push to an svn tree MAKES you specify the location.
[01:24] <mr-russ> I would have expected it cached as the "default"
[01:25] <mr-russ> But that is just my gut expectation as an SVN user.
[01:30] <jelmer> mr-russ: bzr does do that if you used "bzr co"
[01:30] <jelmer> it doesn't when you use "bzr branch"
[01:30]  * mr-russ needs to read more about how to use bzr.
[01:31] <mr-russ> and bzr co commits straight to the SVN repository.
[01:33] <james_w> mr-russ: and after the first bzr push then it will use that location by default next time, so it should be a one time thing.
[01:33] <mr-russ> ah.
[01:34] <mr-russ> I'll read through the whole bzr manual and see how I go from there.
[01:34] <mr-russ> thanks very much for your guidance all.
[01:34] <james_w> mr-russ: no problem, feel free to ask any more questions.
[14:25] <c1|freaky> hi all. how can i checkout a repository without any history or other files, just as if i would have downloaded a package or smth.?
[14:33] <Parker-> export?
[14:36] <c1|freaky> ok
[14:36] <c1|freaky> thank you
[14:42] <c1|freaky> doesnt work can someone give me an example
[14:42] <c1|freaky> ?
[14:48] <Parker-> you can only export branch... not repository
[14:52] <james_w> c1|freaky: also checkout --lightweight
[14:52] <james_w> that gives you slightly more than export, but no history.
[14:52] <james_w> c1|freaky: bzr export to-this from-URL-of-branch
[15:01] <c1|freaky> can i only export one subdirectory of a project
[15:08] <james_w> no, that's not supported by bzr, but it is quite easy to add on top.
[15:41] <c1|freaky> james_w: how to add something on top?
[15:42] <james_w> c1|freaky: well you can extract to a directory and then just delete everything that you don't want.
[15:42] <james_w> export to a directory, sorry.
[15:43] <c1|freaky> ok thank you
[16:14] <brlcad> does anyone know of a project that provides a "libbazaar"?  i.e. C library interface bindings for creating/reading/writing a bazaar repo for directly integrating into a C/C++ application without some wrapper layer?
[16:14] <brlcad> from my searches, it looks like the answer is a solid 'no', but I figured if anyone heard of someone working on such an effort, it'd be in here..
[16:39] <james_w> brlcad: yeah, as far as I know that is a definite no.
[16:48] <brlcad> james_w: mm, darn but thanks
[17:27] <abentley> brlcad: what for?
[17:36] <brlcad> for integrating into a c/c++ app as a revisioned data store backend for storing data created/used by that app
[17:59] <aadis> join #actionscript
[17:59] <aadis> heh, sorry
[18:21] <abentley> brlcad: It is possible to use a python library from C/C++, just not very straightforward.
[19:06] <brlcad> abentley: of course, just such wrapper layers are usually quite distasteful to have at all, much less maintain over a long term -- that's why I specifically said without it, just not worth it that way
[19:07] <abentley> Of course, a C/C++ library is even more work to maintain over a long term, and no one so far is interested in doing that.
[19:07] <brlcad> I have a workable path through libsvn, but it means I'll have to resort to repository synchronization into the application layer
[19:08] <brlcad> that certainly depends on the dev audience, for the bzr devs that may very well be the case
[19:18] <brlcad> in any regard, thanks for the insight/responses
[19:35] <NichardRixon> $ bzr init-repo --no-trees<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:35] <NichardRixon><EMAIL_ADDRESS>password:
[19:35] <NichardRixon> bzr: ERROR: Permission denied: "/.bzr": [Errno 13] Permission denied
[19:35] <NichardRixon> what could be causing this error?
[19:42] <NichardRixon> (using bzr 1.2 on vista in msys)
[19:46] <ryanakca> How can I pull from a branch without putting it on a webserver or on launchpad? I have ssh access to the server where the branch is located
[19:48] <frsk> bzr pull sftp://user@host/path should work
[19:49] <ryanakca> frsk: ok, thanks :)
[19:49] <jdong> that's the loveliness of bzr :) No server needed
[19:50] <jdong> hey jelmer , how much RAM is branching a 16k rev svn repo supposed to take?
[19:50] <jdong> at rev 6k, I'm seeing 400MB or so usage
[19:50] <jdong> I've applied the python bindings memory leak patch backported from Hardy
[19:51] <aadis> NichardRixon: it seems to try to create a directory .bzr in your / dir (C:?). Do you have enough permissions?
[19:51] <NichardRixon> I would assume so
[19:51] <NichardRixon> I mean, if I ssh in and run mkdir .bzr it works fine
[19:51] <aadis> mkdir /.bzr ?
[19:51] <NichardRixon> oh, hrm
[19:52] <NichardRixon> how can I fix this problem :<
[19:52] <abentley> NichardRixon: Your command is trying to create a repository in the root directory of your server.  User accounts do not typically have create rights to the root directory.
[19:52] <aadis> ah, sftp defaults to root dir.
[19:52] <abentley> You would specify a directory you do have rights to, like your home directory.
[19:53] <NichardRixon> I assume there's a flag I can set?
[19:53] <radix> yeah. you didn't put a path at the end of that URL
[19:53] <abentley> e.g. bzr init-repo --no-trees<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:53] <NichardRixon> hrm
[19:54] <NichardRixon> bzr: ERROR: No such file: '': [Errno 2] No such file
[19:54] <abentley> Perhaps you don't have a home directory?
[19:54] <abentley> What directory do you have access to?
[19:54] <NichardRixon> but I do :(
[19:55] <radix> huh, I didn't know "~" works.
[19:55] <NichardRixon> if I go cd ~ it works fine
[19:55] <jdong> try an absolute path to your intended destination?
[19:55] <radix> or maybe it doesn't? :)
[19:55] <jdong> maybe you don't have a home via sftp
[19:55] <abentley> radix: It works on sftp, but not on bzr+ssh
[19:55] <jdong> radix: it works for sftp
[19:55] <NichardRixon> would /home/ work at the end of the path?
[19:55] <radix> NichardRixon: /home/yourusername/ should work. but so should ~
[19:56] <NichardRixon> bzr: ERROR: Permission denied: "/home/.bzr": [Errno 13] Permission denied
[19:56] <radix> NichardRixon: /home/yourusername, not /home.
[19:57] <NichardRixon> bzr: ERROR: No such file: '/home/mrlachatte': [Errno 2] No such file
[19:57] <NichardRixon> I've got /home when I ssh in
[19:57] <radix> NichardRixon: it sounds like the server setup is broken
[19:57] <abentley> It looks like there's a bug that server/~/ must be followed by a directory name.
[19:57] <radix> NichardRixon: what happens if you "echo $HOME" when you ssh in?
[19:58] <radix> abentley: oops
[19:58] <NichardRixon> \/home/private
[19:58] <NichardRixon> without the \
[19:58] <radix> NichardRixon: that's... weird
[19:59] <radix> NichardRixon: can you create files in /home/private? maybe you will need to put your bzr branches in there.
[19:59] <NichardRixon> yeah, I'm trying that now
[19:59] <radix> but it's very strange that your home directory isn't /home/<username>
[19:59] <NichardRixon> maybe I can use ~/bzr/
[20:00] <radix> NichardRixon: yeah, maybe that'll work.
[20:00] <NichardRixon> yay!
[20:00] <NichardRixon> no errors :)
[20:00] <radix> hooray
[20:00]  * radix gets lunch
[20:02] <NichardRixon> huh, I'm not seeing anything in ~/bzr/, though
[20:02] <NichardRixon> ls -A shows me nothing
[20:06] <radix> NichardRixon: did you mean to type "ls -a"?
[20:06] <radix> oh, hmm, -A
[20:06] <radix> NichardRixon: that's strange :)
[20:06] <radix> NichardRixon: you're typing "ls -A ~/bzr/" ?
[20:10] <jelmer> jdong: it shouldn't really leak
[20:10] <jelmer> 25k revisions is easily possible here
[20:16] <NichardRixon> friggin' weird
[20:16] <NichardRixon> suddenly my computer started thinking I was pressing alt and shift continuously
[20:16] <NichardRixon> and left arrow or something
[20:16] <NichardRixon> so all my messages started typing backwards
[20:16] <NichardRixon> anyways, ls -A problem still stands
[20:17] <radix> heh
[20:18] <jdong> jelmer: hmm 8k revisions, 600MB RAM :(
[20:19] <lifeless> NichardRixon: if I understand correctly you can push but the content is not there when you look for it ?
[20:19] <jelmer> jdong: Are you sure you've backported the fix correctly and regenerated the SWIG code?
[20:19] <NichardRixon> I haven't pushed yet
[20:19] <NichardRixon> I'm just trying to do an init
[20:19] <jdong> jelmer: I'm 99% certain
[20:20] <jdong> grumble maybe I should just do this on my hardy box and preserve my sanity
[20:20] <lifeless> NichardRixon: whats the exact init command line you are running ?
[20:20] <NichardRixon> $ bzr init<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:21] <jelmer> jdong: It may well be that not all the required changes are backported to 1.4
[20:21] <radix> NichardRixon: oh, that command should create .bzr in ~/bzr/Denkatsu/
[20:22] <radix> NichardRixon: not in ~/bzr/
[20:22] <NichardRixon> yeah, and there's nothing in /bzr/ at all
[20:22] <NichardRixon> er, ~/bzr/
[20:22] <lifeless> NichardRixon: does it fail ?
[20:22] <NichardRixon> nope
[20:22] <NichardRixon> no errors
[20:22] <lifeless> NichardRixon: so echo $? right after it echos 0 ?
[20:22] <radix> I don't see what the problem is.
[20:23] <radix> oh, Denkatsu doesn't even exist?
[20:23] <NichardRixon> radix, there should be a Denkatsu directory in ~/bzr/, right?
[20:23] <NichardRixon> yes
[20:23] <NichardRixon> lifeless, where does it echo 0?
[20:23] <lifeless> NichardRixon: run this "bzr init<EMAIL_ADDRESS>&& echo ok"
[20:23] <lifeless> NichardRixon: tell me if it prints 'ok'
[20:24] <NichardRixon> bzr: ERROR: Already a branch<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:24] <radix> there is something weird with that server.
[20:24] <radix> maybe you should avoid use of ~
[20:25] <NichardRixon> ....oh, interesting
[20:25] <radix> maybe the sftp server thinks that ~ is something different than the shell does.
[20:25] <NichardRixon> under /home/public/bzr there's Denkatsu
[20:25] <NichardRixon> how intriguing
[20:25] <radix> oi.
[20:26] <lifeless> NichardRixon: my next question was 'please run "ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>pwd"  '
[20:27] <radix> apparently when he sshes in he gets sent to /home, and $HOME is /home/private
[20:27] <NichardRixon> just a straight ssh in dumps me into /home/public
 I've got /home when I ssh in <-- is it putting you in random different directories each time you log in? ;)
[20:28] <NichardRixon> :D
[20:28] <NichardRixon> non-deterministic ssh
[20:34] <lifeless> NichardRixon: does the presence of the username in the command line alter things?
[20:34] <NichardRixon> eh?
[20:34] <NichardRixon> it's working now
[20:34] <lifeless> NichardRixon: ok good; enjoy
[20:34] <NichardRixon> thank you :)
[21:00] <NichardRixon> arghhhhh
[21:00] <NichardRixon> so I've commited everything to ~/bzr/Denkatsu/
[21:01] <NichardRixon> but there are no files besides .bzr inside that folder :(
[21:02] <awilkins> This a push? Push doesn't update the tree
[21:05] <NichardRixon> wait whoops, wasn't doing ls -A
[21:05] <NichardRixon> there's a .bzr folder and the world is right
[22:56] <igc> morning
[22:58] <bmonty> can anyone help with using bzrlib? I'm trying to restrict the results from workingtree.changes_from to a specific dir.
[23:02] <lifeless> specific_paths=['dir']
[23:03] <bmonty> does it have to be a relative path (or is there any requirement?)
[23:03] <lifeless> yes, tree relative path
[23:03] <bmonty> thanks
[23:03] <lifeless> if you have an absolute path, tree.relative_path(abs_path) it first
[23:04] <bmonty> ah, that helps alot!
[23:05] <lifeless> because there can be N aliases to a tree, we only work with relative paths in the tree api (with some very, and odd, exceptions)
[23:05] <lifeless> (symlinks, mount points etc generate aliases)
[23:21] <ubotu> New bug: #192743 in bzr-svn "bzr-svn is irritating when in a (non-svn) subdirectory of an svn working tree" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192743


[04:42] <shaney101> hello i tried changing my usplash but now it just shows a cursor blinking
[04:45] <jianfei> shaney101: can u still boot?
[04:48] <shaney101> hello anyone here?
[08:00] <gaminggeek> hello rsc--
[08:00] <rsc--> wahtsup
[08:00] <gaminggeek> notalot
[08:00] <gaminggeek> how is dust going?
[08:05] <jianfei> hey mate
[08:05] <jianfei> GG: you got a good login ?
[08:06] <jianfei> im looking for a good gdm
[08:08] <rsc--> Kido's working on it
[08:08] <rsc--> lots of fixes in the past few days/weeks.
[08:08]  * rsc-- hates his own wallpaper :(
[08:09] <rsc--> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_8_10_Has_a_Brand_New_Wallpaper
[08:09] <rsc--> versus http://www.behance.net/Gallery/Intrepid-Ibex/13289
[08:09] <jianfei> dust theme working well
[08:09] <jianfei> added some spec circles
[08:10] <jianfei> require a login to suite
[08:11] <jianfei> however....amsn..icon causes color issue around it when adding the recommended background
[08:13] <rsc--> did you file a bug report?
[08:13] <jianfei> rsc: me?
[08:13] <jianfei> it messes with transparency
[08:14] <jianfei> i also noticed skype did
[08:14] <jianfei> perhaps the animations
[08:16] <rsc--> yes
[08:16] <rsc--> bugs.launchpad.net/dusttheme
[08:16] <jianfei> if i can replicate i will post
[08:17] <jianfei> NP
[08:17] <jianfei> usually happens when someone leaves a msg on skype or amsn
[08:17] <jianfei> and the icon animates
[08:19] <jianfei> perhaps its the intel GFX
[08:19] <jianfei> always a suspect
[08:19] <gaminggeek> jianfei: hey there
[08:19] <jianfei> hey gg
[08:19] <rsc--> yeah maybe.
[08:20] <jianfei> rsc: im testing on compaq laptops...nx6120 and nx6130
[08:20] <jianfei> i can also test on asus fj3's
[08:21] <jianfei> lol seems the aging nx6120 is better suited than the nx6130
[08:22] <jianfei> gg: got dust working perfectly on the 6130...even with the compiz script
[08:23] <shaney101> hello i need help with usplash
[08:24] <gaminggeek> jianfei: thats cool
[08:25] <jianfei> its works perfect on the nx6120 without updates ibex clean and no icon animation issues
[08:26] <jianfei> i can do a install on asus fj3...it has a nvidia card
[08:26] <gaminggeek> sweet :)
[08:26] <jianfei> havent fired her up in a while..i think its a 6800
[08:26] <gaminggeek> its best to test where you can :)
[08:26] <jianfei> gg: yeh agree
[08:27] <gaminggeek> rsc--: why dont your like your own background?
[08:27] <jianfei> also got an acer extensa will try tomorrow with dust
[08:28] <jianfei> i think its 5120 or something...and also a dell vostro
[08:28] <rsc--> gaminggeek, it's an unfortunately watered-down version of the original
[08:28] <gaminggeek> I think the main thing with dust is not hardware because that is mostly handled by things out of thier hands but lots of apps :)
[08:28] <jianfei> gg: agree
 http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_8_10_Has_a_Brand_New_Wallpaper
 versus http://www.behance.net/Gallery/Intrepid-Ibex/13289
[08:28] <shaney101> hello i need help with usplash
[08:29] <jianfei> rsc: yeh its nice
[08:29] <gaminggeek>  http://www.behance.net/Gallery/Intrepid-Ibex/13289 is a 404
[08:29] <shaney101> i tried to change splash screen
[08:29] <jianfei> and then?
[08:29] <shaney101> but now all i see is a cursor blinking
[08:29] <rsc--> meh
[08:29] <jianfei> shaney: cant u turn it all off by removing splash?
[08:29] <rsc--> http://www.behance.net/Gallery/Intrepid-Ibex/132891 :)
[08:30] <rsc--> forgot one char
[08:30] <shaney101> its usplash
[08:30] <shaney101> how to turn it off?
[08:30] <jianfei> damn whats the boot file again?
[08:30] <gaminggeek> rsc--: why did you get rid of that blue?
[08:31] <gaminggeek> it made the brown in the ibex pop nicely..
[08:31] <rsc--> ubuntu.
[08:31] <rsc--> heh
[08:31] <rsc--> *sigh*
[08:31] <gaminggeek> :)
[08:31] <rsc--> i'd say i went with the wrong direction from the start.
[08:31] <jianfei> shaney: Youll have to remove 'quiet' and 'splash' fromt he boot options. You will ahve to edit /boot/gtub/menu.lst
[08:31] <gaminggeek> so everything has to be brown?
[08:31] <jianfei> sudo in
[08:32] <gaminggeek> can't is just be that partsof it can be brown?
[08:32] <gaminggeek> *it
[08:32] <jianfei> shaney: sudo gedit /boot/gtub/menu.lst
[08:32] <jianfei> grub
[08:32] <gaminggeek> jeeze I need to start proof reading lines before I send them
[08:32] <jianfei> sorry
[08:33] <jianfei> well it worked for me
[08:33] <jianfei> lol
[08:34] <jianfei> shaney: sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:34] <shaney101> its grub/menu.lst
[08:34] <gaminggeek> rsc--: you managed to make the brown sexy in dust though :)
[08:34] <shaney101> yes opened
[08:34] <jianfei> remove splash
[08:34] <jianfei> scroll down
[08:35] <shaney101> grub splash?
[08:35] <shaney101> thats fine
[08:35] <jianfei> i removed quiet and splash from the end of the boot lines..i was left with a bare boot
[08:36] <shaney101> i am having problem with usplash
[08:36] <jianfei> u will need to replace after if u wanna see splash again
[08:36] <jianfei> thats all i know
[08:36] <jianfei> lol
[08:37] <shaney101> # defoptions=quiet splash vga=788
[08:37] <shaney101> should i remove things like thgis?
[08:37] <jianfei> shaney: yeh remove quiet and splash
[08:37] <jianfei> scroll down there could be a few
[08:38] <jianfei> the goal here is to get u up and running right?
[08:38] <shaney101> kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27-7-generic root=UUID=58b1caa1-0a83-41cc-b520-aab8923e22f1 ro quiet splash vga=788
[08:38] <shaney101> the whole line?
[08:38] <jianfei> NO
[08:38] <shaney101> then
[08:38] <jianfei> quiet and splash
[08:38] <jianfei> two words
[08:39] <jianfei> pls dont do more
[08:39] <jianfei> hehe
[08:39] <shaney101> ok you mean wherever quite or splash is written i should remove that only
[08:39] <jianfei> yes
[08:39] <jianfei> then save
[08:39] <jianfei> reboot
[08:40] <shaney101> splashimage=(hd0,4)/boot/grub/splashimages/grub_buddha.xpm.gz
[08:40] <jianfei> ignore
[08:40] <shaney101> what about this type of line
[08:41] <jianfei> just those 2 words
[08:41] <gaminggeek> I wish they had a widescreen version of the usplash...
[08:41] <gaminggeek> I dont even have a 4:3 display on ether of my computers
[08:41] <jianfei> hope it helps
[08:41] <jianfei> lol
[08:43] <jianfei> damnit i should have said they were at the end of every line
[08:44] <jianfei> in the boot file
[08:45] <jianfei> did it work?
[08:45] <shaney101> back after rebooting :)
[08:45] <shaney101> now i dont even see a cursor blinking
[08:45] <shaney101> :)
[08:45] <jianfei> good
[08:45] <jianfei> lol
[08:45] <shaney101> a black screen
[08:45] <shaney101> yes what next
[08:46] <jianfei> did u remove all splash? it was not supposed to be....just at the end of every boot command
[08:46] <shaney101> yes i did
[08:46] <jianfei> u did what?
[08:46] <shaney101> i searched every word called quiet and splash
[08:47] <jianfei> no!
[08:47] <shaney101> and then erased it
[08:47] <jianfei> lol
[08:47] <shaney101> shit!
[08:47] <jianfei> nevermind...
[08:47] <jianfei> just fix it
[08:47] <shaney101> lol
[08:47] <shaney101> ok
[08:47] <shaney101> can i mail u my .lst file?
[08:47] <jianfei> yep
[08:47] <jianfei><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:48] <jianfei> i'll fix it
[08:49] <jianfei> waiting
[08:50] <jianfei> so anyway..does the dust theme have a login screen?
[08:50] <rsc--> no.
[08:50] <rsc--> not at thsi point
[08:51] <jianfei> rsc: it should..im trying to match the theme with one
[08:51] <shaney101> sent
[08:53] <jianfei> shaney: where was it located?
[08:54] <shaney101> sorry i keep getting disconnected
[08:54] <shaney101> irc is blocked in my college :(
[08:55] <gaminggeek> jianfei: I have just set it to log in to my user by default seeing as I'm the only user
[08:55] <shaney101> it was in /boot/grub
[08:55] <jianfei> shaney101: you have left spaces otherwise yours completely matches my boot.lst
[08:55] <shaney101> ok so?
[08:55] <jianfei> waity
[08:56] <shaney101> jianfei fix it and mail it back
[08:56] <jianfei> cant help u...lol...looks identical..
[08:56] <shaney101> ?? try
[08:57] <jianfei> apologies mate
[08:57] <jianfei> im happy to email u mine
[08:57] <shaney101> spaces? will they help?
[08:57] <jianfei> no
[08:57] <shaney101> ok send me ur's
[08:57] <shaney101> but my version is 8.10
[08:57] <shaney101> any prob?
[08:59] <jianfei> im searching...
[08:59] <jianfei> where is it,,,?
[09:00] <jianfei> im fucking working on 2008 servers
[09:00] <jianfei> lol
[09:00] <shaney101> ohh
[09:00] <jianfei> WHERE IS IT?
[09:00] <shaney101> what?
[09:01] <jianfei> the location of boot.lst
[09:02] <jianfei> last chance
[09:02] <jianfei> where?
[09:02] <jianfei> i am happy to give you mine
[09:02] <jianfei> 8.10
[09:03] <jianfei> l0ol
[09:03] <jianfei> where?
[09:03] <shaney101> its in "/boot/grub/menu.lst"
[09:03] <jianfei> thank you
[09:03] <jianfei> im not a linux guru
[09:04] <jianfei> yet im attempting to help
[09:04] <shaney101> guru :D
[09:04] <jianfei> will email u on the same address
[09:04] <shaney101> yes
[09:05] <shaney101> done?
[09:06] <mib_d0myt6> ?
[09:06] <jianfei> shaney: ok
[09:06] <jianfei> done
[09:07] <shaney102> got
[09:07] <jianfei> k.
[09:07] <shaney102> thanks
[09:07] <jianfei> if it fails
[09:07] <jianfei> dont blame me
[09:07] <jianfei> its a clean install
[09:08] <jianfei> shaney: btw i get paid 200k to do something else....so no offence i got to get back to it..\
[09:09] <shaney102> k bye
[09:13] <jianfei> Q: how can u replace a boot.lst file with anothers?? lol
[09:14] <shaney101> hey it failed
[09:14] <shaney101> cant even boot in my pc
[09:14] <jianfei> no shit
[09:14] <shaney101> error 17:
[09:14] <jianfei> i never said replace the boot.lst .. i meant to copy parts of it
[09:15] <jianfei> lol
[09:15] <shaney101> oops
[09:15] <shaney101> i think i must get my live cd back now
[09:15] <jianfei> good fortune
[09:15] <jianfei> - -
[09:16] <shaney101> ~_~
[09:16] <jianfei> shaney: pls dont be so rude next time...i was trying to help you
[09:17] <shaney101> hey chill
[09:17] <shaney101> its my stupidity
[09:17] <jianfei> is it?
[09:17] <jianfei> hehehe
[09:17] <shaney101> not exactly
[09:17] <shaney101> you should have been explained properly
[09:18] <jianfei> yes
[09:18] <shaney101> anyways othr pc is booting now
[09:18] <jianfei> its all my fault
[09:18] <shaney101> can i access those files from live cd
[09:18] <jianfei> of course
[09:19] <jianfei> i really tried to help you
[09:19] <jianfei> im sorry it failed
[09:19] <shaney101> hey i opened it
[09:19] <shaney101> "/boot/grub but its blank
[09:20] <jianfei> perhaps u didnt save it?
[09:20] <jianfei> u have a backup?
[09:23] <shaney101> opening my email
[09:23] <shaney101> from live cd
[09:23] <jianfei> so anyway my point is...how can we release any themes like this? the end user cant go back to dos commands...we are trying to assist..yet the result?
[09:25] <jianfei> we need to concentrate on translucency, compiz cuts it...yet it does not..
[09:26] <jianfei> we are close
[09:26] <jianfei> very
[09:27] <jianfei> majority of people wont accept a theme such as dust
[09:27] <jianfei> its a tough one
[09:28] <jianfei> in this debate...no one is liked
[09:29] <jianfei> it is survival
[09:29] <jianfei> gui wars
[09:29] <jianfei> compiz raised a lot of eyebrows
[09:29] <jianfei> yet made no one blink
[09:30] <jianfei> the real question is...........why didnt they blink?
[09:30] <karmaferit> because its hacky
[09:30] <jianfei> perhaps
[09:31] <karmaferit> compiz is a hack ontop of the os, people want things to be seemless
[09:31] <jianfei> true...pple want seemless
[09:31] <karmaferit> and thats where ubuntu fails
[09:31] <jianfei> not by much
[09:31] <jianfei> yet it does
[09:32] <karmaferit> theres not enough qualified people nitpicking at the look and feel of it all
[09:33] <jianfei> i mean i can tweak my ubuntu as much as i want...yet i still seek something more...the thing i seek is what ubuntu should deliver
[09:34] <jianfei> guess what that is?
[09:34] <karmaferit> take gnome for example, after the transition to 2.xx we went into good enough mode, ubuntu's fallen into this trap for the user experience, its focus is on getting linux installed
[09:34] <jianfei> popularity........
[09:34] <jianfei> i need to know the OS i use....is popular
[09:36] <jianfei> dont we all have to quit being...so self centred by our OS of choice...??
[09:36] <jianfei> how do u make it popular?
[09:37] <jianfei> its just a sales issue
[09:37] <jianfei> yet ubuntu is free
[09:38] <jianfei> better wallpapers?
[09:38] <jianfei> no
[09:39] <jianfei> a seemless intergration of wine..that supports the latest office and adobe..
[09:39] <jianfei> so pple wont even notice the underlying OS
[09:40] <jianfei> ubuntu...unoticed
[09:40] <jianfei> hehe
[09:40] <karmaferit> choice is the issue, people don't want it, it complicates life
[09:40] <jianfei> true
[09:40] <karmaferit> a geek sure wants choice, options are fun
[09:41] <jianfei> yet if they didnt have time to think about the OS that delivers the packages they are used to...
[09:41] <jianfei> hmmm
[09:42] <karmaferit> ever had a chance to speak with troy, your musing seems similar.
[09:42] <jianfei> karma: im used to all things gui...
[09:43] <jianfei> just for a moment think about it...a gui unnoticed
[09:43] <jianfei> the end user doest care
[09:43] <jianfei> just wants the apps delivered
[09:43] <jianfei> and they have a right to have them delivered
[09:47] <jianfei> the end user as fussy as they are.....deserve reassurance
[09:48] <jianfei> not through compiz...through software compatibilty
[09:51] <jianfei> OS acceptance has already begun
[09:53] <jianfei> if im to use openoffice 2.4 why should i be able to use beta 3?
[09:54] <jianfei> shouldnt
[09:54] <jianfei> hehe
[09:55] <jianfei> should the end user really have the choice between gnome or kde?
[09:56] <jianfei> if yes..why?
[09:56] <BHSPitLappy> Am I the only one who sees the new wallpaper as something other than an Ibex?
[09:57] <BHSPitLappy> Like, the bloodied imprint of an undead's face against a basement wall?
[09:57] <karmaferit> jianfei: choice is the bane of the end user
[09:59] <karmaferit> BHSPitLappy: its better than the dots, but ubuntu's not the distro if you want a coherent look and feel
[09:59] <BHSPitLappy> hear hear
[09:59] <BHSPitLappy> I just think it borders toward "scary"
[09:59] <jianfei> karmaferit: http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=intrepiddustym5.jpg i think that looks quite nice...yet what is the audience thinking?
[09:59] <thorwil> BHSPitLappy: i think you are the first to notice. it's surely a hint that ubuntu is actually made by enslaved undead chained into a cave
[10:00] <BHSPitLappy> thorwil, so my suspicions are confirmed then.
[10:01] <jianfei> karma: they want to see that desktop filled with MS OFFICE ADOBE CS3
[10:01] <karmaferit> jianfei: they're thinking, where do i start, theres no focus for ones eyes
[10:01] <jianfei> am i false?
[10:02] <BHSPitLappy> jianfei, is that just a long exposure shot, or is it mixed media?
[10:02] <BHSPitLappy> water looks neat
[10:02] <karmaferit> knowledgeable users you're not, average users who don't know the differences yes
[10:02] <BHSPitLappy> but yeah, it's a photograph not a wallpaper
[10:02] <jianfei> BHSPitLappy: www.interfacelift.com
[10:02] <karmaferit> a average new person when shown that, isn't going to know where to focus
[10:03] <karmaferit> since focus is always in the center
[10:03] <karmaferit> then by training during childhood( reading) top left corner
[10:03] <jianfei> karmaferit: you see..someone goes 'wow' then wonders where the apps are
[10:03] <BHSPitLappy> jianfei, yeah, I thought it might be HDR
[10:04] <jianfei> BHSP: it is
[10:05] <jianfei> karma: perhaps all customers are somewhat required to be stimulated by a OS
[10:07] <karmaferit> or presented with what they need with the least ammount of work
[10:07] <jianfei> karma: after the eyecandy...comes the icons...of familiar things MSOFFICE and yes CS3
[10:07] <karmaferit> http://www.phoronix.net/image.php?id=ubuntu_810_alpha1&image=ubuntu_810a1_screen the average, it doesn't present anything to you
[10:08] <karmaferit> http://www.guidebookgallery.org/pics/gui/desktop/empty/macosx102.png average mac desktop, all the apps you need/want on the bar
[10:08] <jianfei> besides Adobe PDF.. a few plugins later..such as amsn ...what else do they really want?
[10:09] <jianfei> if we are targeting gui the real gui...then we need to plan properly
[10:11] <jianfei> visual gui seemless integration
[10:13] <karmaferit> the other big issue is that the people doing things here there arn't all using the same desktop, case in point the ubuntu websites navigation buttons, during the release of ubuntu that featured firefox 3( GTK integration for navigation buttons) swapped to custom images for the navigation buttons
[10:13] <karmaferit> now why not just leave them as they were so that ubuntu's default web browser could theme them
[10:15] <jianfei> karmaferit: coz in the end...they dont really care
[10:16] <karmaferit> which is why they won't be the end of apple
[10:16] <jianfei> karmaferit: i hated adjusting as well...
[10:17] <jianfei> karmaferit: i was happy with novell
[10:17] <jianfei> lol
[10:18] <jianfei> btw...where is the Deb..of Novell Client?
[10:18] <jianfei> lol
[10:18] <jianfei> fanised
[10:18] <karmaferit> :P
[10:18] <jianfei> :-)
[10:18] <karmaferit> i rather liked suse's enterprise desktop
[10:18] <karmaferit> 10
[10:19] <karmaferit> it was rather nice to see what could happen
[10:19] <jianfei> karma: u remember Novell though?
[10:19] <jianfei> hehe
[10:19] <karmaferit> before my time i must say :P
[10:19] <jianfei> its gone
[10:19] <jianfei> now
[10:19] <jianfei> hehehe
[10:19] <jianfei> bugger
[10:21] <jianfei> but the gui thing is different
[10:22] <jianfei> im not here for show and tell...nor do i have the right to...
[10:22] <jianfei> yet the gui issue is no longer an issue...compiz sorted that out...
[10:23] <thorwil> jianfei: what _are_ your here for?
[10:23] <jianfei> open minded discussion
[10:24] <jianfei> thorwil: if u dont like my input im happy to leave...
[10:25] <thorwil> jianfei: nah, i don't own this channel
[10:26] <jianfei> me either...but i am raising serious questions here...god knows why i care...lol
[10:27] <jianfei> my civilian job is to teach students
[10:27] <thorwil> jianfei: i just started to wonder if you would switch to at least thinking about what you could do to improve things
[10:27] <jianfei> everyday i hear parents mention microsoft.......
[10:28] <thorwil> as with all due respect, we have oceans full of open minded discussion that didn't change a thing
[10:28] <jianfei> alright from an educational point of view.....make the OS seem transparent
[10:29] <jianfei> then deliver the industry standard applications on a OS that the targeted audience doesnt even think about
[10:30] <thorwil> jianfei: if you get to apoint where it doesn't matter if it's windows or ubuntu beneath th software, ubuntu and free software will have lost
[10:30] <jianfei> thorwil: incorrect in my opinion...it will have won
[10:30] <jianfei> transparency
[10:31] <jianfei> a student will not have to think
[10:31] <jianfei> it will come down to hardware cost
[10:31] <jianfei> not software
[10:32] <jianfei> thorwil: they wont care
[10:32] <thorwil> jianfei: if all you care about is delivering proprietary applications, you lose all advantages of software freedom
[10:34] <jianfei> perhaps..yet which target audience are we focusing on?
[10:36] <jianfei> btw i dont deserve to be booted off a channel..
[10:36] <thorwil> jianfei: huh?
[10:37] <jianfei> thorwil..
[10:37] <jianfei> i was booted
[10:37] <thorwil> jianfei: nobody kicked you, it was: * jianfei has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
[10:37] <Flannel> jianfei: No, you disconnected
[10:38] <jianfei> i felt my opinions were quite vaild
[10:39] <jianfei> arent we supposed to shape the future of OS?
[10:39] <jianfei> hehehe
[10:40] <thorwil> jianfei: it is true that there are a lot of users out there that we can hardly win without letting them have there precious adobe suite and maybe MS office
[10:40] <jianfei>  thorwil: and if we attract those...
[10:41] <thorwil> jianfei: but you have to wonder why free softeware developers should invest their time and skill to serve the wishes of people who are ignorant about the very foundation of free software
[10:42] <thorwil> jianfei: also, if a user doesn't need to care if he's using ubuntu or windows, that's very bad for marketing. also means a lack of incentive for other to develop for linux
[10:42] <jianfei> thorwil: yet these are our unloyal customers...they are the 'numbers'
[10:42] <thorwil> jianfei: many say this is what killed os/2
[10:43] <jianfei> thorwil: we have to forget that
[10:43] <jianfei> thorwil: focus on the future
[10:43] <jianfei> otherwise we will be in endless blogs of argument
[10:44] <jianfei> thorwil: brb wife calls
[10:44] <jianfei> - -
[10:44] <thorwil> jianfei: yeah, i also implied that mere words will not change a thing
[10:45] <thorwil> s/also/already/
[10:46] <jianfei> thorwil: true... yet i have to order a pizza for my wife...im here but in spirit
[10:46] <jianfei> lol
[10:46] <jianfei> btw: the interpid gui is perfect
[10:47] <jianfei> intrepid
[10:48] <thorwil> perfect? by what kind of requirements / or in which context?
[10:48] <jianfei> thorwil: http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=intrepiddustym5.jpg
[10:49] <thorwil> jianfei: that surely is not what users of intrepid will see
[10:50] <jianfei> thorwil: only took 15 mins
[10:50] <jianfei> hehehe
[11:00] <jianfei> thorwil: ok ..the pizza is ordered..
[11:02] <jianfei> thorwil: dont get me wrong..im questioning the gui and the effects it will have on the customers...ive noticed yes it will assist..yet in the end they expect results
[11:02] <jianfei> no matter what the age
[11:03] <jianfei> do u realise how difficult it will be to turn parents from msoffice to openoffice?
[11:04] <gaminggeek> it all depends how computer savy they areeeeeee
[11:04] <gaminggeek> woa sorry about the eeeee overload
[11:04] <jianfei> they all realise its free..yet how do u change their mindset
[11:05] <gaminggeek> just install it :)
[11:05] <thorwil> jianfei: yes, i'm familiar with users who don't actually understand a thing and work strictly schematic, if that's what you mean
[11:05] <gaminggeek> say its office 2009
[11:05] <jianfei> thats the problem im faced with every monday morning at at our board meetings
[11:06] <karmaferit> it would help if openoffice was atleast intergrated fully with atleast 1 platform
[11:06] <jianfei> it is a bugger of a thing
[11:06] <jianfei> hehe
[11:06] <karmaferit> its hacky
[11:07] <jianfei> its so fixable..
[11:07] <Hellow> lots of things are
[11:07] <karmaferit> its not gnome GTK+ so it doesn't look 100% in gnome, its not aqua so its not 100% in OS X, and its even hacky on windows
[11:07] <karmaferit> gnome's**
[11:08] <karmaferit> if i were to recreate it i would whipe the UI and make a custom version for each platform
[11:08] <gaminggeek> karmaferit: looks alright on vista
[11:09] <karmaferit> Microsoft manages to do this with Office, it has a windows version and a totally different Mac os version
[11:09] <thorwil> karmaferit: if you were to recreate it, you suddenly would have much more man hours to your disposal, then? ;)
[11:10] <karmaferit> thorwil: im musing on a ideal world
[11:11] <karmaferit> for the non-ideal i would follow firefox's lead, where they don't have native toolkit versions of the application but have intergration with each platform
[11:12] <karmaferit> for GTK+ they use the icon theme from the desktop
[11:12] <karmaferit> for all the other version they have separate themes custom made for the OS
[11:35] <jianfei> karma: perhaps we can chat another time...i would like that..my wife now knows what im doing...'are u still on ubuntu'
[11:35] <jianfei> lol
[15:13] <_MMA_> Yo kids.
[15:19] <thorwil> _MMA_: hi! right when i'm going to ride my bicycle
[15:23] <yanndinendal> hi
[15:24] <yanndinendal> do you know what happened to the new sounds that were in kwwii's ppa in august?
[15:24] <yanndinendal> was this just a test
[15:24] <yanndinendal> ?
[15:25] <yanndinendal> I liked them but they are not here anymore
[15:59] <rsc---> somethinglikethat
[16:55] <kwwii> rsc---: hey man, did you get my emails?
[16:56] <rsc---> yeah.
[16:56] <rsc---> i dont think the feedback is very good about that wallpaper though.
[16:57] <kwwii> rsc---: which feedback?
[16:57] <kwwii> don't worry about what gets said on the forums...there are always people who complain
[16:57] <rsc---> just what people say about it i mean
[16:57] <rsc---> it looks weird, etc
[16:57] <rsc---> :)
[16:57] <_MMA_> Pfftt..
[16:58]  * _MMA_ loves it. :)
[16:58]  * kwwii too
[17:00] <kwwii> rsc---: could you send me the original (no matter which format)...I would like to use the background image in gdm as well
[17:02] <rsc---> original of?
[17:02] <rsc---> i mean which original?
[17:13] <_MMA_> rsc---: Damn. I can't find your Ibex wallpaper page. :(
[17:14] <rsc---> its in the intrepid incoming folder.
[17:14] <rsc---> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Earthenibex_wallpaper
[17:16] <_MMA_> Muchos gracias
[17:17] <kwwii> rsc---: we are using the cave3 pic you posted last week
[17:19] <kwwii> so if you have an orig of that it would be great
[17:20] <_MMA_> rsc---: Do you have the 2nd earthenibex image minus the text?
[17:20] <rsc---> yep
[17:21] <rsc---> sigh, i wonder why its not there.
[17:21] <rsc---> lemme see if i can get it there too
[17:21] <kwwii> good idea
[17:21] <kwwii> :-)
[17:21]  * kwwii cooks dinner for the family
[17:22] <_MMA_> ok. The text doesnt work well if you set the view to "Zoom" to preserve the aspect. You might wanna move the text or make a 4:3 version if you want to retain the composition.
[17:24] <tretle> Hi, Im using intrepid atm and saw this post - http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-8-10-Has-a-Brand-New-Wallpaper-95451.shtml  ... Is the alternate wallpaper going to be included too?
[17:24] <_MMA_> rsc---: But man, this thing is gorgeous.
[17:25] <rsc---> on a separate note, i think i just found the cause of my harddrive crash. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DanielHahler/Bug59695 :( :( :(
[17:25]  * _MMA_ clicks
[17:25] <_MMA_> rsc---: Oh wow. Ouch.
[17:25] <thorwil> _MMA_: so, how are you doing?
[17:26] <thorwil> rsc---: ouch?
[17:26] <_MMA_> Ok. Not much to do here but work.
[17:26] <_MMA_> But 60hr work weeks keep me pretty busy.
[17:26] <thorwil> ic
[17:40] <_MMA_> bbl
[17:40] <rsc---> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Earthenibex_wallpaper should be there in a few minutes
[17:45] <tretle> rsc--- so It will be included in final?
[17:46] <rsc---> i have no say on that, tretle
[17:47] <tretle> hopefully, I like the new one included but those two alternative ones would go better with newhuman
[17:48] <tretle> couldnt be a matter of cd space as I heard they are sticking on a community created song and video on the disk, would prefer some more quality wallpapers myself :D
[17:48] <thorwil> cd space seems to be a matter, always. the size restriction for the example content are pretty tough
[17:49] <rsc---> on 2nd thought i'm not happy about the new wallpaper
[17:49] <rsc---> lol
[17:50] <thorwil> rsc---: are you one of those artists that tend to be never satisfied? :)
[17:51] <rsc---> sort of, but it's beyond that.
[17:51] <rsc---> http://www.behance.net/Gallery/Intrepid-Ibex/132891 this is how it was supposed to be -- not even a wallpaper, actually.
[17:51] <rsc---> but making compromises to make it "wallpaper-able" and neutral was quite a half-baked effort
[17:52] <tretle> hmmm..... in terms of content like video/music etc I would have prefered a dropbox like solution.. Was slightly surprized to see jonos post on the added song/video when the size of the cd has always been a major restriction when it came to the inclusion of more themes/wallpapers which are more relevant to ubuntu then adding a song/video.. I do like the idea though.
[17:52] <rsc---> the end result is that it's not even recognizeable as an animal, looks dirty, etc
[17:52] <thorwil> rsc---: your half-baked is more than many other attempts had to offer at all
[17:53] <rsc---> but nonetheless half-baked.
[17:53] <rsc---> the most ideal thing to do was to actually create a wallpaper with the vision of being a neutral wallpaper
[17:53] <rsc---> but instead, it was just an image shoehorned into a wallpaper as a silhouette
[17:54] <tretle> rsc - did you make https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Earthenibex_wallpaper?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=earthenibex-full-text.png ?
[17:54] <thorwil> rsc---: there's a high risk of creating something stale if you aim at neutral too hard
[17:55] <thorwil> rsc---: anyway, might become time for you to move on
[17:55] <rsc---> tretle, everything on that wiki page, yes
[17:56] <rsc---> and the url i posted earlier
[17:56] <rsc---> thorwil, move on?
[17:56] <tretle> I hope some of the more sharp variations make it in
[17:56] <thorwil> rsc---: yes, as in leaving that ibex for good
[17:57] <tretle> would have stopped using computers all together if this made it as default - http://www.gnome-look.org/CONTENT/content-files/91122-Magic_X.jpg lol
[17:57] <thorwil> wow!
[17:58] <tretle> :)
[17:58] <thorwil> but the artist should have made it glossy, somehow!!
[17:58] <rsc---> yeah maybe
[17:58] <rsc---> i got something good planne dto try out for jaunty :p
[18:01] <thorwil> would be fun to have a seemingly serious animal wallpaper with the jackalope for beta releases
[18:03] <rsc---> i gotta admit i love thsi idea http://he1z.deviantart.com/art/The-FWA-New-Day-99586296
[18:05] <rsc---> thorwil: http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/3862/screenshot2ph5.jpg
[18:05] <tretle> I don't think that aiming for something plane is the way to go, I think you did quite well with your ibex attempts, they weren't plane, they were original and they jumped out at you but not in a bad way. The colours were sharp and distinct and there was an imaginative use of textures and shapes.. The fact that it made it to softpedia was great but you should take pride that one of your works which is not included with intrepid(yet?) also made it on th
[18:05] <tretle> e article
[18:05] <rsc---> plane=plain?
[18:06] <tretle> yup
[18:06] <tretle> planne=plain?
[18:06] <tretle> lol
[18:07] <thorwil> rsc---: yes, that catches some of what we should have. allthough, for theming, there could be a conflict with making things look stable and reliable
[18:07] <rsc---> of course not for theming.
[18:09] <thorwil> rsc---: if that is yours, could you please add it to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/KyudoGuidelines/Mood?
[18:09] <thorwil> dinner time, bbl
[18:09] <rsc---> ill see.
[18:10] <rsc---> and yes its ine
[18:10] <rsc---> *mine
[18:13] <tretle> rsc--- you are he1z then?
[18:14] <rsc---> no
[18:14] <rsc---> oops
[18:15] <rsc---> i meant http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/3862/screenshot2ph5.jpg is mine
[18:16] <tretle> ooh.. Must of missed that link, nice :D
[18:17]  * rsc--- wishes the new macbook will be compatible with Intrepid.
[18:17] <rsc---> ah shit nevermind, it doesn't come in 17" so i'm not buying one. :P
[18:20] <tretle> the one with nvidia chipset?
[18:20] <tretle> I like there new wireless keyboards, maily because of the absence of a windows/apple logo in favor for the word command
[18:21] <rsc---> oh no.
[18:22] <rsc---> apple's wireless keyboard.
[18:22] <tretle> ?
[18:22] <rsc---> aside from being ridiculously expensive, the bottom-leftmost key is the fn key
[18:22] <rsc---> (facepalm)
[18:22] <rsc---> I'd like it as ctrl thank you
[18:23] <rsc---> also, no pgup/pgdn.
[18:24] <rsc---> sucks being too reliant on ctrl/alt/super like I am. I get picky with keyboards
[18:25] <tretle> I never use pgup or pgdown so wouldnt mind, what annoys me about the apple keybaord I am using right now is the absence of a # symbol on the keyboard, annoying for so many things
[18:25] <rsc---> I use it when coding.
[18:25] <rsc---> and i edit a lot of 900-line CSS files
[18:25] <rsc---> which makes pgup/dn quite indispensable for me
[18:25] <rsc---> #? how about shift+3?
[18:25] <tretle> try no having a # symbol when coding
[18:26] <tretle> that would be the pound symbol which is pretty useless becaus ein ireland we use euros
[18:26] <rsc---> oh.
[18:26] <rsc---> nothing keyboard mapping or xmodmap couldn't fix, im sure
[18:27] <tretle> indeed but still annoying not having a physical marker as to where the # symbol is
[18:28] <rsc---> oh, well. sharpie? haha
[18:28] <tretle> and for some odd reason I have found myself freaking out at the fact keyboards are sold with that stupid windows logo, I havent used windows on my system for a long long time and I dont think hardware should be branded with there logo
[18:29] <tretle> I brame the absence of windows logo on netbooks for my new found insanity
[18:29] <tretle> :D lol
[18:55] <thorwil> plop
[18:56] <_MMA_> flush
[18:59]  * thorwil looks into Sebastian's aliasing issue
[19:00]  * thorwil likely knows the answer
[19:01] <_MMA_> thorwil: So what's your feeling on this optical drive if his? (anyone else feel free to chime in)
[19:01] <_MMA_> s/if/of
[19:02] <thorwil> _MMA_: i like the firts, but not the second. if he would fix the right side of the tray, i would be for including it
[19:02]  * _MMA_ brings up the current images.
[19:02] <thorwil> well, ok, small sizes need some work, too
[19:04] <thorwil> _MMA_: he seems to have a quite good feel for shading and reasonably good perspective. but he has a tendency to mess up left/right symmetry
[19:04] <_MMA_> Yeah. I see issue on the right. Odd how he missed that.
[19:04] <thorwil> whereas i have to fight my damn tendency to end up with a gray mess :)
[19:05] <_MMA_> :P
[19:05] <_MMA_> I am also for using the 1st.
[19:06] <thorwil> _MMA_: a mail from you asking for that fix might motivate him. i do not want to modify his work if it's not necessary
[19:23] <kwwii> re
[19:24] <_MMA_> thorwil: Sure. I'll read over things and shoot of n email.
[19:24]  * thorwil edits Means to Express the Message
[19:26] <Cimi> kwwii, update murrine
[19:26] <Cimi> and remember to add firefox support for rounded gtkentry
[19:28] <kwwii> Cimi: right, those changes should go in tomorrow sometime (or possibly later if it takes a while to get it included)
[20:04] <coz_> is troys  gone for good or just temporarily?
[20:05] <_MMA_> For good last I heard.
[20:05] <coz_> oh man thats a shame
[20:07] <thorwil> the revolution will happen with or without him. or it will not happen :)
[20:07] <coz_> true
[20:08] <BHSPitLappy> and it won't be televised I hear
[20:08] <BHSPitLappy> much to the dismay of our audience at home
[20:11] <thorwil> _MMA_: i think this is for you: http://www.monkeyreview.co.uk/index.php/2008/10/09/i-introduce-the-kazookeylele-this-is-wha
[20:12]  * _MMA_ clicks
[20:18] <thorwil> aww, seems he didn't like it
[20:20] <BHSPitLappy> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pw8sNoodIDk
[20:20] <BHSPitLappy> way better
[20:21] <thorwil> in making the dog angry
[20:22] <BHSPitLappy> thorwil, watch it
[20:40] <jianfei> the russians are planning a attak
[20:43] <BHSPitLappy> thanks for the heads-up


[00:16] <slangasek> cjwatson: bug #322830 still has an open task on casper that's marked 'critical' - is that accidental?
[00:16] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 322830 in livecd-rootfs (Ubuntu) (and 4 other projects) "remove /var/lib/dbus/machine-id from installed image (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 20)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/322830
[00:16] <slangasek> s/accidental/left over/
[00:48]  * slangasek calls it a day
[00:49]  * GrueMaster has finished armel testing (yet again).
[00:50] <Riddell> DVDs tested, time to snooze, send me a text if we suddenly release early
[03:13]  * charlie-tca thinks the release notes and tests he can do are done
[03:17]  * charlie-tca signed off Xubuntu tests completed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/ReleaseManifest
[04:13] <pitti> Good morning
[04:25] <pitti> cjwatson, infinity, skaet: pre-published the images
[04:25] <pitti> I kept the beta-2 images for now (I guess we should remove them together with the publishing of final?)
[04:59] <sebsebseb> hi
[05:50] <wgrant> Is someone doing bad things to the LP cdimage prober?
[05:55] <pitti> wgrant: not fiddling with it right now, but I did pre-publish the images some 2 hours ago; something wrong with that?
[05:56] <wgrant> Well, it's been running for more than an hour, which is slightly abnormal. Perhaps it's just checking lots of images.
[05:56] <wgrant> As long as it's not broken.
[05:56] <ogra_> we have a bunch of new armel images
[05:57] <ogra_> and i think also some more UEC ones than last time
[05:59] <pitti> wgrant: that just added 10 images in total, does that count as "lots"? it's exactly the same number that we have pre-published for ages
[06:01] <wgrant> Perhaps it's a combination of archive + cdimage mirror load just slowing things down.
[06:01] <wgrant> Difficult to say. There's a lot of HTTP requests involved.
[06:10] <wgrant> Finally finished. So it's working, but slow.
[06:21] <GrueMaster> ScottK: Around?
[06:22] <ogra_> GrueMaster, i signed off the armel images on the release manifest, if nobody says "respin" in the next hours we're good :)
[06:23] <GrueMaster> Is this because of the livecd machineID thing?
[06:24] <ogra_> ??
[06:24] <ogra_> that was the last build :)
[06:24] <ogra_> no worries
[06:24] <GrueMaster> Ok.  Just was looking at the pad notes (see topic).
[06:26] <ogra_> i think it just isnt updated until all images were tested
[06:26] <ogra_> that bug was the reason for the last rebuild
[06:26] <GrueMaster> ogra_: I'll start on armel release notes tomorrow.  Bed time here.
[06:27] <ogra_> GrueMaster, dont bother, i'll take on all the work left with infinity, thanks a lot for teh hard work !
[06:27] <GrueMaster> I was referring to the work-arounds for various things like netinstall and the oem-config issue.
[06:28] <ogra_> the bugs are tagget for release notes already, right ?
[06:28] <ogra_> so we should just be able to search them
[06:31] <GrueMaster> I don't seem to have the ability to tag for release notes.  You should be able to see the bugs on the iso tracker.
[06:31] <ogra_> right
[06:31] <ogra_> no prob then, just relax, you deserve it
[06:57] <ogra_> tsk, #u-r-p turned into a "desktop bashing and windows support" channel today
[07:10] <maxb> ogra_: The first does not surprise me. Oneiric's desktop experience is particularly bash-inviting
[07:11] <ogra_> heh, well, depends what you use ... unity-2d is cool
[07:18] <pitti> I'm off for about 2 hours for a dentist appointment
[08:14] <infinity> pitti: Yeah, we should remove beta-2 with the final push, I'd say.  And archive it to old-images on antimonry.
[08:14] <infinity> pitti: antimony too.
[08:21] <pitti> dentist for real now, back in ~ 2 hours
[08:23] <cjwatson> slangasek: closed out that casper task now
[08:23] <ogra_> do we have an upgrade fix for the dbus ID issue ?
[08:23] <ogra_> or do people upgrading from beta need to manually remove the machine id ?
[08:25]  * ogra_ thinks he only saw a fix in casper which wont fix existing installs
[08:25] <ogra_> (and live-build indeed)
[08:36] <infinity> ogra_: Did Tobin do kubuntu testing and forget to sign off?
[08:37] <ogra_> i think he tested it, yes, but not sure it survived actually
[08:37] <infinity> ogra_: And no, we don't have an upgrade path for people with broken machine-ids.
[08:37] <infinity> ogra_: We're going to release note it.
[08:37] <ogra_> all i see is that he tried to ping ScottK above
[08:37] <infinity> ogra_: Hrm.  Well, I can test omap4/kubuntu here, can't do omap
[08:38]  * ogra_ has no XM handy and doing desktop testing on a C4 (256M) isnt really helpful
[08:38] <ogra_> i trust tobin that he mailed scott about any issues though
[08:40] <infinity> ogra_: Well, looks like Tobin passed kubuntu/omap* in the isotracker.
[08:41] <infinity> ogra_: So we just need signoff from a product owner.
[08:41] <ogra_> which is scott
[08:41] <ogra_> i guess he will do once he is up :)
[08:42] <infinity> We might get Riddell to do the signoff.  Scott may be passed out. :)
[08:42] <skaet> Riddell, ping?
[09:15] <Daviey> bug 857816 looks interesting
[09:15] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 857816 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "X fails to start on boot (affects: 3) (heat: 14)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/857816
[09:32] <cjwatson> starting release publishing
[09:32] <cjwatson> sync-mirrors chmod -x'ed
[09:33] <ev> I can haz windows testers? http://people.canonical.com/~evand/wubi/oneiric/wubi-r243.exe
[09:33] <ev> ^ jibel
[09:33] <ev> particularly testing if the UI remains responsive while downloading
[09:34] <cjwatson> archived beta-2
[09:35] <jibel> ev, k, I'm downloading it.
[09:35] <cjwatson> running publish-image-set.py output
[09:38] <jibel> ev, installation files download doesn't start.
[09:39] <jibel> ev, actually that's the progress bar not refreshing
[09:41] <ev> argh
[09:45] <jibel> ev, there's also a traceback in the logs but the UI doesn't crash http://paste.ubuntu.com/707240
[10:01] <ev> jibel: http://people.canonical.com/~evand/wubi/oneiric/wubi-r244.exe
[10:06] <jibel> ev, looks good, I'll finish the install and run the uninstaller to make sure everything's fine.
[10:08] <ev> brill, thanks
[10:08] <ev> I'm doing the same in wubi, for what it's worth
[10:09] <ev> as my virtualbox copy of windows is broken yet again
[10:35] <jibel> ev, I ran 244 successfully with 32 and 64 disk images.
[10:35] <ev> jibel: thanks!
[10:57] <ev> jibel: http://people.canonical.com/~evand/wubi/oneiric/wubi-r245-signed.exe
[11:03] <pitti> skaet: can I still edit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/ReleaseNotes or is that frozen now?
[11:03] <pitti> ah, seems it is
[11:04] <skaet> pitti,  it depends.
[11:04] <pitti> I wondered whether to add a paragraph about language-selector
[11:05] <pitti> we removed the individual "just install fonts"/"just install dictionaries" etc. check boxes again, it's all or nothing now
[11:05] <pitti> it's pretty much self-explanatory, but some users might wonder
[11:06] <skaet> pitti,  prep up the paragraph, and we'll fold it into the next update.
[11:06] <pitti> but perhaps that goes a bit far, given that gnome 3 changed so many things anyway
[11:06] <pitti> skaet: on second thought I think I'll skip it; release notes shouldn't be a replacement user manual
[11:06] <infinity> pitti: Yeah, if we release note every missing button or checkbox, it'd be a Stephen King novel.
[11:07] <pitti> infinity: no, it wouldn't -- people read Stephen King novels from the first page to the last
[11:07] <infinity> Not sane people.
[11:07] <pitti> I think it might be just a tad more interesting than reading a telephone book :)
[11:07] <pitti> infinity: as someone who read at least three SK novels in his life I formally protest
[11:08] <infinity> pitti: Noted.
[11:08] <pitti> heck, I managed to read 80% of "Das Kapital" from Karl Marx..
[11:08] <pitti> anyway, getting OT
[11:10] <ogra_> pitti, time to get one with it and finish the remaining 20 on y flight :)
[11:10] <ogra_> *a flight
[11:11] <seb128> pitti, reading the releasenotes, shouldn't deja-dup,backup be in the features?
[11:11] <cjwatson> I'm sure I saw it there
[11:11] <seb128> it's in "updated applications"
[11:12] <seb128> but we didn't ship it by default before so that doesn't really fit
[11:12] <ev> cjwatson: http://people.canonical.com/~evand/wubi/oneiric/wubi-r245-signed.exe is the one we want
[11:12] <seb128> well, tb and lightdm are there as well
[11:13] <ev> stable symlink updated
[11:17] <cjwatson> thanks
[11:17] <cjwatson> that's done, working on chinese images then mythbuntu
[11:42] <ev> jibel: http://people.canonical.com/~evand/tmp/wubi-r248.exe
[11:46] <jibel> ev, no crash with 248 and 245 still crashes, fix is in.
[11:46] <ev> wooohooo!
[11:47] <Riddell> cjwatson: any idea why this page says "Ubuntu 11.10 (Oneiric Ocelot)"? http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/
[11:49] <cjwatson> hand-written, I'll fix it
[11:49] <cjwatson> pushed
[11:50] <Riddell> ta
[12:27]  * Riddell wonders if it's safe to go for lunch or not
[12:30] <ogra_> depends if its a 6 course menu or not :)
[12:53] <Daviey> skaet: Possible to squeeze in one more known issue to the release notes?
[12:54]  * Laney can't even load them atm
[12:55] <skaet> Daviey, prep up the change you want.   We'll add them, as soon as we can.
[12:58] <mdeslaur> is the publisher on manual today? can someone publish my postgresql security updates please?
[12:59] <Sjimmie> 11 hours left :)
[13:00] <infinity> mdeslaur: It's not on manual.
[13:00] <cjwatson> Sjimmie: please don't do that here; #ubuntu-release-party exists
[13:01] <mdeslaur> infinity: ok, thanks
[13:24] <pitti> wohoo! congrats everyone
[13:26] <charlie-tca> Congratulations to everyone.
[13:26] <charlie-tca> Also, a *big* thank you from Xubuntu for all the help with this release.
[13:26] <ogra_> wohoo
[13:26] <ogra_> its an ocelot !!!
[13:26] <skaet> Thank you to the release team members! and all the ubuntu flavor leads and developers!   Nice work indeed.
[13:27] <pitti> skaet, cjwatson, infinity: already have plans for this afternoon/evening? enjoy the beer!
[13:28] <infinity> pitti: I'm planning on beer.
[13:28] <nigelb> Congrats folks :)
[13:28] <skaet> pitti,  will do.  Hopefully they left me some champagne in the kitchen.   ;)
[13:29] <ogra_> skaet, i assume there is no release tem meeting tomorrow ? :)
[13:29] <ogra_> *team
[13:29] <pitti> huge congrats to whomever did http://www.ubuntu.com/tour -- that's awesome!
[13:29] <ogra_> yeah
[13:30] <skaet> ogra_,  no meeting tomorrow.   Next meeting after UDS.  :)
[13:30] <ogra_> we should improve it and just ship a browser instead of a desktop :)
[13:30] <ogra_> skaet, yeah, that was rather rethorical :)
[13:31] <skaet> :)
[13:31] <skaet> pitti,  web team rocks!  :)
[13:32] <chrisccoulson> i wish libreoffice opened as fast on my machine as it does in the online demo ;)
[13:32] <chrisccoulson> that's pretty cool though
[13:34] <ogra_> ++
[13:35] <nigelb> ogra_: http://quotes.burntelectrons.org/3161
[13:36] <nigelb> heh, the future is here! :D
[13:39] <chrisccoulson> nigelb, ha, how did you find that?
[13:39] <chrisccoulson> you should ping bz and show him the future ;)
[13:39] <nigelb> chrisccoulson: already did!
[13:39] <nigelb> in #developers :D
[13:40] <chrisccoulson> ah, yes. i see :)
[13:47] <popey> Riddell: http://www.kubuntu.org/files/11.10-release-banner.png
[13:47] <popey> oneirc -> oneiric
[13:47] <Riddell> mm
[13:53] <ogra_> awww, typos in pngs ... mean
[14:19] <slangasek> skaet: congrats
[14:19] <slangasek> and congrats to the rest of the team!
[14:20] <ttx> congrats everyone !
[14:20] <utlemming> cloud images are published
[14:38] <Laney> :-)
[15:00] <skaet> slangasek,  thanks!
[15:33] <Pici> Hey folks, is someone here able to update https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes with the new values.  I bugged -docs, but didn't get a reply.
[15:36] <cjwatson> ISTR last time I wanted that I filed a bug on ubuntu-docs
[15:36] <cjwatson> which indeed is what the page says.  I don't have edit rights
[15:38] <Pici> Will do.
[16:03] <mvo> if someone could review/accept my update-manager upload to oneiric-proposed that would be much appreciated
[16:51] <mvo> and my upload of update-manager to natty-proposed too please :) ?
[16:55] <cjwatson> doko: suggestion for next time: make debian/changelog of the PPAed toolchain uploads say q-series (or whatever), but fiddle the .changes to say Distribution: precise so that the PPA accepts it
[16:56] <cjwatson> would be slightly less confusing, dependidng[D[D on your point of view :)
[17:00] <doko> cjwatson, hopefully I'll remember =)
[17:00] <slangasek> mvo: havin' a look
[17:02] <slangasek> huh, a lot of stuff in -proposed
[17:08] <cjwatson> doko: heh
[17:19] <slangasek> mvo: your oneiric-proposed upload includes a change not mentioned in the changelog - seems to be a legitimate fix for fstab parsing, but not sure if you meant to document it?
[17:19] <slangasek> (DistUpgrade/apt_btrfs_snapshot.py)
[17:19] <mvo> slangasek: its auto-imported from the apt-btrfs-snapshot upload
[17:20] <slangasek> ah
[17:20] <mvo> but indeed, I should have mentioned it in the changelog
[17:21]  * slangasek stabs lp credentials caching in the face
[17:21] <slangasek> ah, and seahorse hangs
[17:22] <slangasek> SpamapS: would you mind sru-accept'ing update-manager/oneiric (bug #873411)?  I've reviewed it but am having Tooling Problems here
[17:22] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 873411 in update-manager (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 1 other project) "Unable to upgrade to 11.10 using kpackagekit (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/873411
[17:29] <SpamapS> slangasek: ack, accepting now
[17:29] <slangasek> ta
[22:04] <wgrant> cjwatson, doko: You don't even have to fiddle with the .changes if you don't want to: you can upload to /ubuntu/q-series instead of /ubuntu to override the .changes-specified series.
[23:42] <wgrant> We're about to put the publisher on manual for an hour or so to create armhf.


 I've had a couple of people ask me (both IRL and in other TG groups) if there's a way to try Ubuntu Touch before installing it, like something they can put in VirtualBox. Is this a thing, does it need to be a thing, or does it need to not be a thing?
 https://community.ubuntu.com/t/this-week-in-mir-15th-june-2018/6558
 @amolith, It is not really a thing
[01:55] <ubptgbot> <Buck Montana> hi  - I'm trying to install touch on a nexus 5 using the Mac app.
[01:56] <ubptgbot> <Buck Montana> I've gotten to the "please reboot to bootloader" screen, which I've done but nothing is happening
[01:56] <ubptgbot> <Buck Montana> I tried selecting "start" but that didn't help either
[01:57] <ubptgbot> <Buck Montana> I had to manually select the device too, but I think the app recognized that it was connected
[01:57] <ubptgbot> <Buck Montana> ....not sure now though.
[01:57] <ubptgbot> <Buck Montana> Is the device sensitive to the type of cable?
[02:06] <ubptgbot> <Buck Montana> changed cables twice...no difference
 @amolith, as discussed in multiple gseveral times in several groups - this could be solved by all of us doing @popescu_sorin style videos online so people can see all the parts without trying.  otherwise, let them install it and join the party to see it, I say. :)
 @wayneoutthere, I'm still trying to figure out `ffmpeg`` so I can encode the raw video file I have of UT so we can have some screen recordings for youtube
 @wayneoutthere, [Edit] I'm still trying to figure out `ffmpeg` so I can encode the raw video file I have of UT so we can have some screen recordings for youtube
 @wayneoutthere, Videos don't give a feeling. They're a good start, but don't really let you preview the experience. You can't use someone else's phone vicariously through them
 LSD - Audio ft. Sia, Diplo, Labrinth (HOPEX & Ugo Melone Remix) … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbMkHRMUWWo
 @v1kky please keep off-topic chat to @ubports_ot
 @dohbee, At SELF, I ended up passing my phone around a group of almost 20 people lol
 @dohbee, this is true. best thing is loca community ... but until then, videos help
[04:28] <ubptgbot> <Buck Montana> quick clarifction - I've posted a couple of questions here, but got no response....am I posting in the wrong group?
 @Buck Montana, Installation questions best asked in https://t.me/WelcomePlus
[05:56] <ubptgbot> <Mase Samrat> Can i install ubuntu touch on samsung a9 pro?
 @K31j0, Hi Kejo, i'm just read the backlog, yes i have still my Sailfish OS device Jolla C here, so if i'm not mistake you have proting problems ?
 @K31j0, [Edit] Hi Kejo, i'm just read the backlog, yes i have still my Sailfish OS device Jolla C here, so if i'm not mistake you have porting problems ?
 @Mase Samrat, Here is the list of devices https://devices.ubports.com/#/
 @fourloop2002, Isn't that the super old homepage, that they won't put down for some reason?
 Try that one: https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
 Yes it was the old one. Just trying to keep history alive 😉
[08:07] <ubptgbot> Srinath Uthay was added by: Srinath Uthay
 @Buck Montana, Sounds like you didn't set the 'path' as in the manual 😃 Late reply was probably because people were asleep
 Argh I have nightmares with that old page, why is it still online? 😆
 @K31j0 it's in a very early stage but maybe you could be interested in this project https://t.me/UBports_pi
[09:39] <ubptgbot> yugalsaluja was added by: yugalsaluja
 @yugalsaluja, Hi Yugal, welcome! Take a look to https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you started
 do you know if there is any way to sync contacts and massages between two ubuntu phones?  they have similar but a bit different .db.. is it right to use syncthing.. i don't want to use the cloud.. i would like to make it localy. thanks
 anybody noticed gosht lost calls or twisted info with the lost calls? … I noticed rightknow that i've got three lost calls in notification area. … looks like two of them were true and one is very strange: … The strange lost call sais in the notification area that were from one contact X. If i go to phone app it sais that is from cont
[11:49] <ubptgbot> act Y. … And if i push over the lost call from contact Y it appears that is a number from other country that i haven't stored.
 (Voice, 1s) https://irc.ubports.com/3Z29LZ2H.oga
 Sorry. Please ignore
 Deleted, and this is not the first time you've posted something like that. Please be more careful in the future
 @j2g2rp I don't see anything weird on my missed calls list
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/zxGD5PL5.webp
 @andreasimonetti, there isn't really a nice way to do this, no. you could copy the dbs from both phones to a PC, merge the dbs there, and then copy back to both phones, i suppose
 ok so is there a recomended program to merge so? thanks
 no, the data is stored in sqlite dbs
 messages would have to be merged manually using sqlite
 contacts could be done a little less manually with Evolution, but it's still going to be a pretty manual process, and likely you could end up breaking things
 ok i 'll give a try..thk again 👍
 Fwd from vanyasem: my rootfs is not based on ubuntu
 @Linuxman1, yes, he's trying to build an arch based version. which is likely going to be quite problematic in terms of making apps work, of course
 Sorry, my Telegram is missbehaving, I did not mean to forward it.
[14:18] <ubptgbot> <Mase Samrat> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/qUqELtjH.png I will install ubuntu touch on my phone but, why?
 Devices supported : https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
 Also, we do not support MultiROM
 @andreasimonetti, I migrated these databases from MX4 to MP5 to ensure continuity when I upgraded devices. I don't maintain a constant sync as my MX4 is a rarely used Xenial tester device while the MP5 is a daily driver stable Vivid. I can't go into much detail now (I'm on a train to a relaxing weekend in London) but if
[14:25] <ubptgbot> you're still interested in a couple of days, I will attempt to remind myself and offer advice.
 @TartanSpartan, the question wasn't just how to copy from one device to another, but how to merge both dbs onto both devices, which is way more complicated
 I know, but if there's anything she might find helpful from my (more narrow) implementation, I'll be glad to assist.
 @TartanSpartan, she? they, buddy. they. :)
 ("Andrea" is a male name too, in Italian :)
 My bad, seemed like a safe call there.
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 @advocatux @UniversalSuperBox @wayneoutthere ^^ spam removal please?
 Done :)
 thanks :)
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 sheesh
 how many of them are there?
 I'm deleting accounts but those bots... 😅
 yeah
 Fwd from Lawnchair: https://saveyourinternet.eu … VERY IMPORTANT TO ALL OF US! … This could be an end to us if it doesn't get stopped!
 please don't spam the supergroup
 Removed. Not a good time to spam the SG, I'm on an anti-spammer frenzy 😂
 How many of you are getting the Librem 5 when it drops?
 @FreeRedBroccoli, I would love to buy it. But I won't as long as my FP2 works well.
 @jonny, What is that?
 There was some way to set the indicator clock and the lock screen clock to 24 hour time. I don't remember it now. Anyone else remember?
 @amolith, Could you set your location to Chile or Uruguay and get 24hr by default for your time zone?
 It's 24HR for me in BST.
 Same lol
 Have any Libertine-heads tried using valgrind or it's GUI frontend, alleyoop in the container? I'm wondering if confinement forbids this app which I want to use to debug code for memory allocation.
 @TartanSpartan, yes.. i am a man .. but don't worry, not offended.. my problem is how to merge two similar databases.. would be cool to have an automated app to do this .. but i understand sometimes the hard way is the best..
 Fair enough :)
 @FreeRedBroccoli, Fairphone
 Rotten luck today, I have to use the London Underground and then see family (as nice as that is) during the live show. Gonna try and follow it live as best I can, regardless.
 @Flohack thanks for the update and the all work that you make. If possible that telegram scope stop working? I have until yet 15.04 version in my bq 4.5.
 Can be, yes.
 Okey, is a minor bug for a big jump to 16.04. In this the scopes are out no?
 Well I am afraid the will remain in partly functional, partly dysfunctional state :)
 Is a collateral result. Don't worry. Thanks! 😉
 @jonny, I think there will be a way to run Android apps in the future.
 @TartanSpartan, well, you can't run it on anything outside the container really, from inside. i don't see why you couldn't run it inside the container on anything else inside the container
 Link for the Q&A?
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EndQZz5FfKk
 Yeah wea re warming up already!
 Super excited!
 FKK? 😂
 lol
 Fwd from UBports News Channel: We are live! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EndQZz5FfKk
 @mariogrip, I haven't missed it! Yay!
 @Flohack Beautiful baby !!
 thx :)
 Congratulations!
[19:02] <ubptgbot> VijaykrishnaParvathaneni was added by: VijaykrishnaParvathaneni
 Congratulations @Flohack for @Flohack_v2.0 😁
 hehe
 @VijaykrishnaParvathaneni, Hi Vijaykrishna, welcome! Take a look to https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you started
 Congratulations boss Flo!!!
 Unpredictiness. Love it 😊
 well, devel shouldn't break things either ;)
 hehe well should
 ideally development would be safe enough for it not to brake
 [Edit] ideally development would be safe enough for it not to break
 but that's not realistic
 we should have CI block images that are too large from getting pushed to the image server
 @dohbee, We did not even know all partition sizes from all devices until now ;)
 well, this is why the retail devices can't do flashing direct from android, for example
 @dohbee, I'll share screenshots later. Valgrind was just constantly saying "illegal operation" for all input.
 well gnome/debian are self-hosting too
 not using the gitlab hosted service
 We have an issue to setup a automated test with qemu and also I have a script ready to block when over the limit
 looking for people to help collect cache sizes https://papad.org/p/ubp-devices-cache-space
 @TartanSpartan, well that's probably the SIGILL in a library that's expected on armhf
 normally it gets trapped
 and GDPR compliance
 is something you don't want to deal with
 GitLab is only free to open source if you don't make any money
 @MichaelTunnell, for selfhosted yes, but for gitlab.com evey open source projects get gold for free
 @mariogrip, There is also a stipulation there about making money
 @MichaelTunnell, uh no?
 @dohbee, https://about.gitlab.com/pricing/#gitlab-com
 (Photo, 1134x284) https://irc.ubports.com/lT9wsl4N.png
 yeah i wasn't questioning you @mariogrip
 oh sorry :P
 there's no stipulation that you can't make any money whatsoever
 it doesn't matter what communication method is used, if there are a lot of people involved, there is going to be a lot of unread messages
 Guys can I enable developer mode from the ubuntu terminal on my PC?
 no, not really. you have to enable it on the phone
 https://about.gitlab.com/2018/06/05/gitlab-ultimate-and-gold-free-for-education-and-open-source/ … "which does not seek to make profit from the resulting project software" … this stipulation needs to be clarified because do they require foundations or what. UBports makes enough in sponsorship that it might not be applicable i
[19:34] <ubptgbot> s all I'm saying.
 And if the button doesn't respond? 😅
 Can I enable it from shell on the device?
 @MichaelTunnell, Well ubports does not seek to make profit at all, we are non-profit so we can't
 telegram is a little more difficult to use than other methods in some cases. Like for example a discourse would be a good option for long term discussion. … mailing lists are torture
 @MichaelTunnell, a) this is only if you want ultimate or gold features. b) there are very few open source projects where this even makes sense as a claim.
 @dohbee, 😎👍
 logind is a separate issue from removing mir support from lightdm
 unity8 requires lightdm for the lock screen and unity8 greeter
 we need to move the uitk to be based on qqc2
 the sdk itself is another huge issue
 @dohbee, true, for the greeter we will have a problem
 but the greeter is no needed
 hehe. thanks. Answered!
 well greeter would be nice to keep to have a full mir+unity8 system
 @dohbee, not really, since mir does not have access to run, the mir support worked around by spawning a server in lightdm (to then use mir on mir)
 @dohbee, true, but there is ways around this. but not strictly needed for desktop tough. for phone its needed, but xenial wont get the new lightdm
 no, don't use debs.
 anyone can build their own purely deb system based on top of halium if that's what they want
 no need to provide support it directly in UT
 @Flohack Telegram is working on xenial for me
 after the latest update
 legacy arm apps can be run under libertine just fine if people want those
 we give you the sand, build your own wing of the castle
 I say that because someone is saying "Flo telegram is not working on xenial after the last update today" on YT chat
[20:08] <ubptgbot> NovichokUA was added by: NovichokUA
 @dohbee, yess
 just stop building apps on vivid
 disco time !!
 jan is causing someone to have a seizure
 😂
 Does somebody know how I can activate the developer mode, the button doesn't slide
 @Zack, Set a PIN code first
 @Flohack, Thank you, I will
 you have to have PIN/passphrase in use, yes
 it should tell you that though
 put a couple books under your laptop and pull the screen forward @mariogrip
 @NovichokUA, Hi Novichok, welcome! Check out https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you started
 yeah, much better @mariogrip
 👍
 Great Q&A again, guys 👍
 thanks again!
 Thanks for the Q&A!!!
 youre welcome
 Thanks guys! :D
 Amazing Q&A. Very informative and entertaining
 Thank you
 we are always at your disposal for Facts and Fun haha thx
 😹😹😹
 @Flohack, @Flohack thank you for the update guide for the baseband, your effort is much appreciated!
 No problem ! ;) thx
[20:59] <ubptgbot> Thomas was added by: Thomas
 Welcome Thomas !!! Check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started, we have language groups available.
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 done!
 Anyone else in dialer have the dial pad tone settings nonfunctional
 @Xray2000 I can't enter the software page of gmail.
 * app


[01:10] <ion> Awesome
[01:14] <ion> http://johan.kiviniemi.name/blag/world-of-resources/
[16:22] <Q-FUNK> hi!
[16:22] <Q-FUNK> is there any howto on converting init scripts to upstart services? I'd like to give it to CUPS.
[16:24] <sadmac2> Q-FUNK: no precise howto. the manpages may help though
[16:25] <Q-FUNK> sadmac2: that was somehow the last place I expected to look :)
[21:14] <coolo> moin
[21:14]  * coolo is trying to get upstart@opensuse and fails to figure out basic stuff
[21:14] <coolo> how to debug why a job is not set to stopped when the last line of script is run?
[21:41] <AaronSDG> Hello, all!  I have some software that starts with special startup.sh and shutdown.sh scripts.  Is it possible to give upstart different exec stanzas for startup and shutdown?
[21:42] <sadmac> AaronSDG: no, though you may be able to place the shutdown in pre-stop
[21:43] <AaronSDG> I hadn't thought of that.  I will give it a try.
[21:54] <ion> clang’s static analyzer seems nice: http://www.hitzemann.org/stuff/report.html#EndPath


[17:40] <wxl> um maybe we should get rid of uds since it refers to 15.10 :/ https://uds.ubuntu.com/
[17:41] <wxl> also ssl is expired on summit.ubuntu.com
[17:42] <wxl> hm and there's no info there
[17:42] <wxl> is the old info now gone? any quick way to get a list of the agenda and/or links to videos
[17:43] <wxl> huh
[17:43] <wxl> wiki.ubuntu.com/U{D,O}S only shows up to 15.11 too
[17:45] <wxl> sorry tsimonq2 i always seem to confuse brian with bryan https://bryanquigley.com/crazy-ideas/when-should-i386-support-for-ubuntu-end
[17:46] <wxl> original email here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2016-February/016173.html
[18:33] <wxl> omg did i just say there here ugh


[20:26] <javier_> Hi! I have a java program that I need to open through a .bat file. At least, I would do that in windows. But I can't make it work in ubuntu. My .bat file looks like this: "/usr/bin/java -mx3500 -jar "/home/javier/Master biodiversidad/Herramientas moleculares/Programas/jmodeltest0.1/jModelTest 0.1 package/jModelTest.jar"" Is it all right?


[04:59] <Symmetria> morning bunnies
[04:59] <Symmetria> ;p
[05:00]  * Symmetria discovers you can do some very interesting things with PHP and variable referencing
[05:02] <Symmetria> heh, I wrote a function, that gets an array as an argument, but it also takes a boolean variable and the NAME of global array I'm passing in the first argument, if the boolean is set, it does a global reference to the global variable by referencing it through a string literal against the name of the global, then nukes stuff as it finds it and resets the global array
[05:02] <Symmetria> heh, thats pretty fucking awesome ;p
[06:01]  * chesedo is reading about Symmetria 's php code with big eyes while nipping (front teeth only) a carrot held with both hands
[06:27] <andrewlsd> morning all
[06:32]  * andrewlsd disappears away for a bit
[07:13]  * inetpro stepping into the room
[07:14] <inetpro> good morning folk
[07:58] <Squirm> Morning
[10:19] <anton_may> ello all
[10:48] <Squirm> Hi
[11:43] <anton_may> anybody has experience with glusterfs?
[11:43] <anton_may> or worked with it
[13:01] <superfly> anton_may: thatgraemeguy might know a thing or two about glusterfs
[13:02] <anton_may> yea all i need help with is permissions on the client mount points
[13:29] <thatgraemeguy> what's the question?
[13:29] <anton_may> permissions on the clinet mount point
[13:30] <anton_may> obviously the volume is created in root
[13:30] <anton_may> so when you mount on client side you don't have permissions
[13:30] <anton_may> glusterfs
[13:31] <thatgraemeguy> you mean "mount point" as in "the directory where you will mount the filesystem"?
[13:33] <anton_may> yip on the client side - sudo mount -t glusterfs <server>:/<volume> /mount - now as the normal user I cannot create a file within the mount point on the client
[13:34] <anton_may> permissions denied
[13:34] <thatgraemeguy> ok, that's because the root of the mounted filesystem is likely owned by root.root
[13:34] <thatgraemeguy> just like any newly-created filesystem, this is not special to glusterfs
[13:35] <thatgraemeguy> if you want a particular user to own it then chown it as appropriate
[13:36] <anton_may> ok so best bet is then to create a nfs share and export and for the windows users setup cifs
[13:38] <thatgraemeguy> sorry no idea about windows
[13:38] <thatgraemeguy> if you have windows users I find you will have less headache by running windows servers
[13:39] <thatgraemeguy> ymmv, and a lot of folks would disagree
[13:39] <anton_may> yea went through the docs of glusterfs and setting up a samba share is pretty straight forward. We are currently running Samba shares with no hiccups
[13:39] <thatgraemeguy> but I am old enough that I just want things to work with minimal hassle and potential for disruption
[13:40] <anton_may> Me too, but like any any new setup you have to start somewhere, but anyways thanks


[23:59] <cannon> tar is already installed
[23:59] <cannon> huh?


 It was ok but then one day it just stopped workin
[08:21] <EmsY> When I press ctrl + alt + F1 and type in my login/pw it says " Welcome to Ubuntu 14.04" and then it asks my login and pw again
[08:21] <brobostigon> ok, that doesnt sound related to gnome-terminal, but something else.
[08:22] <EmsY> ye, I think it's bash
[08:22] <brobostigon> have you done a search on launchpad for bugs related.
[08:23] <EmsY> there are similar. Maybe one or two threads but they didn't help me
[08:25] <EmsY> oh, the only way how can I open a console is a Alt + F2 and type in env SHELL=/bin/sh gnome-termina
[08:27] <brobostigon> maybe file a new bug then, if its brand new?
[08:28] <EmsY> maybe.
[08:28] <EmsY> I posted a thread in askubuntu.com
[08:28] <EmsY> I hope someone will help.
[08:30] <brobostigon> i dont use that site personally, but i know some do.
[08:31] <EmsY> what site do you use?
[08:31] <brobostigon> for which purpose?
[08:34] <EmsY> for solving problems
[08:34] <EmsY> if you have
[08:36] <brobostigon> bugs.debian.org launchpad.net , and then ones related to quite a few different sw packages, including openvpn and many more.
[08:36] <EmsY> which ubuntu do you have?
[08:39] <brobostigon> i have installs of, the last two lts versions, debian testing and sid/unstable, and various other OS's like haiku-os and raspbian and a few others.
[09:04] <arc__> good morning everyone
[09:05] <arc__> Its a nice day out side
[09:07] <robotninja> morning
[09:07] <robotninja> yup, wish I had time to get out on the bike. hopefully it'll be this nice tomorrow too.
[10:06] <mapp> FFS
[10:07] <mapp> I mugged it again daftykins
[10:20]  * mapp cant control himself
[10:20] <mapp> big mug
[14:23] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[14:26] <MartijnVdS> \o
[14:28] <dwatkins> afternoon o/
[14:31] <dwatkins> or Guten Tag, as they say here in Munich
[14:31] <MartijnVdS> or München, as they say there in München ;)
[14:39] <dwatkins> indeed, MartijnVdS
[14:39] <dwatkins> or "ganz genau".... ;)
[14:40] <dwatkins> I saw someone yesterday I hadn't seen for 22 years, he and I had a good chat which included mention of elementary OS, so I have some research to do as to what it's like.
[16:14] <bashrc> elementary OS seems to be the new shiny
[17:05] <Azelphur> anyone care to help me with bumblebee? after updating to 14.04 it no longer works, Cannot access secondary GPU - error: [XORG] (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA GPU at PCI:1:0:0
[17:49]  * penguin42 grumbles; newsblur's android app needs a version of Android too new for my ancient phone
[17:49] <penguin42> I guess I could try the new CyanogenMod builds - my current CyanogenMod is ancient but they never officially did a cyanogenmod 10 for this
[22:05] <Krenair> My laptop is broken. I was trying to update it to 14.04, but it got stuck trying to load stuff (I can see the startup log, for some reason).
[22:05] <Krenair> I could get to recovery mode and mount the FS and stuff there, but fsck would get stuck when run from the menu (which stops me from using the dpkg repair tool).
[22:05] <Krenair> Then someone suggested that I run update-initramfs from a root shell and now it's even more broken: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10971457/IMG_20140503_225345.jpg
[22:10] <Krenair> uh, that's https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10971457/IMG_20140503_230808.jpg
[22:20] <daftykins> Krenair: fsck from a live session CD/DVD/USB may be more fruitful to start
[22:32] <Krenair> daftykins, 506799/17367040 files (0.6% non-contiguous), 6659711/69463296 blocks
[22:33] <daftykins> was that purely "fsck /dev/sdx" or did you use any switches?
[22:33] <Krenair> sudo fsck -f /dev/sda5
[22:34] <daftykins> is it a multi-boot system, for sda5 to be root?
[22:34] <Krenair> yes
[22:35] <daftykins> hrmm, do you have a separate /home?
[22:36] <Krenair> daftykins, no
[22:36] <daftykins> a decent backup disk? :)
[22:37] <Krenair> also I've been unable to mount my private home folder from this live cd
[22:37] <Krenair> So while I don't think I have anything important there, I can't actually check.
[22:37] <daftykins> oh, encrypted?
[22:37] <Krenair> yeah
[22:38] <daftykins> ah i have no experience with that :(
[22:38] <Krenair> ecryptfs-mount-private says "ERROR: Encrypted private directory is not setup properly"
[22:39] <daftykins> that one's beyond me unfortunately
[22:40] <daftykins> the pic of your screen almost suggests UUIDs changed, i wonder if you could mount and chroot your install then re-run grub-install
[22:40] <directhex> ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/
[22:40] <directhex> from the initramfs prompt
[22:41] <directhex> will answer the "did uuids change?" question
[22:41] <directhex> you can also force matters from grub - hit e to edit an entry, change the rot= param to /dev/sda5 instead of a uuid, press f10 to boot
[22:53] <Krenair> directhex, no such file or directory
[22:57] <daftykins> is that in a live session?
[22:57] <Krenair> that's from the initramfs prompt
[22:58] <Krenair> it was fine from the live cd
[23:16] <Krenair> any ideas daftykins/directhex?
[23:18] <daftykins> did you try editing grub for a one time boot as he suggested?
[23:18] <daftykins> switching the root FS UUID for sda5
[23:20] <Krenair> daftykins, I also checked ls -l /dev/sda5
[23:20] <Krenair> which showed nothing
[23:21] <daftykins> Krenair: what were you trying to do with that command?
[23:22] <Krenair> check to see if it would be able to find the drive itself directly
[23:22] <daftykins> hrmm not sure that's too fruitful
[23:22] <daftykins> 'sudo fdisk -l' should show those partitions still exist
[23:30]  * penguin42 pokes p42phone
[23:30] <p42phone> Oww
[23:31] <daftykins> hehe
[23:31] <daftykins> penguin42: how was your day sir?
[23:32] <penguin42> not too bad, but I seem to have spent too long fighting android on my phone
[23:32] <penguin42> and you?
[23:32] <daftykins> d'aww
[23:32] <daftykins> yeah :) went to a friends who's just bought a house and moving in
[23:33] <daftykins> so sorta began to look at helping get the phone socket setup fathomed for making their broadband service decent
[23:33] <penguin42> ah, muscles needed
[23:33] <daftykins> XD i'm quite wrong for the job there but i did help move some wardrobes and dismantle a bed back at his parents to take over \o/
[23:33] <daftykins> and even got a free feed
[23:34] <Krenair> daftykins, hm, yeah it does show that
[23:34] <Krenair> guess I'll try this grub idea
[23:47] <Krenair> daftykins, can I put comments in this file?
[23:48] <daftykins> editing a one time GRUB boot? nah
[23:48] <Krenair> guess I should record this UUID then
[23:48] <daftykins> you just wanna test for now, it won't permanently commit changes
[23:48] <daftykins> you just edit for one boot
[23:48] <Krenair> oh right
[23:50] <Krenair> daftykins, same error, this time for /dev/sda5
[23:50] <daftykins> which is that?
[23:50] <Krenair> instead of the /dev/disk/by-uuid/...
[23:50] <Krenair> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10971457/IMG_20140503_230808.jpg
[23:51] <daftykins> what does it actually say? "...does not..." ?
[23:51] <Krenair> does not exist
[23:51] <daftykins> that is very odd indeed
[23:52] <daftykins> were you able to mount /dev/sda5 in a live session?
[23:52] <Krenair> yes
[23:53] <daftykins> contents looked ok?
[23:54] <Krenair> there wasn't much to see
[23:54] <Krenair> but it looked ok
[23:54] <Krenair> I couldn't mount my private directory but meh
[23:57] <daftykins> Krenair: if you want any data from it i think you should focus on that and then just clean install
[23:57] <daftykins> failing finding someone more experienced that is :)
[23:58] <daftykins> oh wait, hrmm
[23:58] <daftykins> boot the live session, mount sda5 then chroot it and try to finish off your upgrade
[23:59] <Krenair> 'chroot it'?
[23:59] <daftykins> !chroot
[23:59] <Krenair> um