[00:03] <asac> lool: how can we roll -updates for diverged packages to hardy PPA?
[00:03] <asac> do we need some official staging area to get some QA first?
[01:00] <persia> good morning
[07:58] <dholbach> good morning
[10:33] <lool> asac: The staging area is going to be the ppa
[10:34] <lool> asac: And we will then promote updates to the mobile archive
[10:36] <persia> lool: I'm looking at bugs 215842 and 218251.  In the latter, you recommend against my solution for the former.
[10:36] <persia> Are you sure we don't want a conffile for that?  I prefer conffiles as they can be purged, whereas maintainer-script generated files tend to stick around...
[10:37] <lool> persia: hahaha, I was a good guy one month ago
[10:37] <lool> persia: That comment was just to make sure that /etc/default/locale shouldn't be in a package
[10:38] <lool> And I was bitten by this no longer than two days ago, because it's shipped in ume-config-common
[10:38] <persia> Is it now?  Then why is the bug with my patch still open?  If that patch was applied, it ought be closed.
[10:38] <lool> persia: if you run simple-vm-builder, it will hand waiting for a merge during the vm creation
[10:39] <lool> dpkg -L ume-config-common| grep locale
[10:39] <lool> /etc/default/locale
[10:39] <lool>   * Add a default locale for builds to support UTF8, etc. Patch by Emmet
[10:39] <lool>     Hikory.
[10:39] <lool>  -- Steve Kowalik<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Thu, 29 May 2008 18:20:32 +1000
[10:39] <persia> That's why I don't understand why 215842 is still open.  That's from where the patch comes.
[10:40] <lool> Probably an omission
[10:40] <lool> persia: Would you like to fix shipping of /etc/default/locale?
[10:41] <lool> What should happen is more something in the postinst like: if /etc/default/locale exists and sets a locale, leave it alone, otherwise create or set the locale
[10:42] <persia> lool: Actually, I prefer it as a conffile: I just encountered your recommendation against it being a conffile, and thought it might be worth discussing in case we want to change it before we ship.
[10:42] <persia> OK.  How do we unset the locale later then?
[10:42] <persia> (on package removal)?
[10:42] <lool> persia: It can't be handled like a conffile in UME and not anywhere else
[10:42] <lool> persia: Not sure whether we want to unset the locale
[10:43] <persia> OK.  I can see the case for not unsetting it.  I'll push a fresh config with maintainer-script handling then.
[10:43] <lool> thanks
[10:44] <lool> persia: And if you like, you can verify that it breaks e.g. simple-vm-builder if you're not convinced about not shipping it as a conffile?
[10:44] <lool> It would also break if you'd install ume-config-common on e.g. a regular system
[10:45] <persia> It oughtn't break, just cause conffile-collision handling.
[10:45] <lool> Yes; but it's supposed to provide either defaults or overrides, not change the way a file is handled  :-/
[10:46] <persia> lool: Right.  I'll fix it in the next hours :)
[10:49] <lool> Ultimately, I suppose we're missing an "install" step where such a file would be created, just like /etc/hosts; this could be done with the current install.sh hacks
[10:50] <persia> Do you think that is better than in ume-config-common?
[10:51] <StevenK> Personally, I think ume-config-common is a bad idea, and stuff it does should be handled on install
[10:51] <persia> (You say "ultimately", but I read it as "before this upcoming release")
[10:51] <persia> Let's do it on install then.  Where do we need to stuff the hook?
[10:52] <lool> persia: I meant in a future cycle / world
[10:53] <lool> persia: Doing it on install would mean rerolling a MIC; we could do it as it's still planned to move to the new sources.list
[10:53] <persia> lool: Right.  My worry is that if we do it wrong now, we're somewhat stuck.  There's no purge part during the upgrade, and unmarking conffiles is an ugly hack.
[10:53] <persia> StevenK: How are we on rerolling a MIC?
[10:53] <lool> Yes, I agree it's ugly to fix this later on
[10:54] <lool> persia: If you do it in install.sh, be careful that it might busybox sh
[10:55] <lool> I think u-v-b has a good shell snippet of what's needed, but it might need to happen at the end of install
[10:55]  * persia needs guidance on where to put stuff for install.sh, but isn't worried about busybox vs. bash
[10:56] <lool> persia: Grab MIC
[10:56] <lool> platforms/common-apt has the initramfs stuff
[10:57] <persia> Right.  MIC.  Thanks.
[10:57] <lool> install.sh is called from platforms/common-apt/initramfs/usb and /cd if present in the initramfs
[11:03] <ogra> persia, /etc/default/locale gets rewritten by gui tools on locale changes
[11:03] <ogra> a conffile wouldnt be clever here
[11:04] <persia> ogra: Right, which is why it is being removed :)  On the other hand, those GUI tools aren't in UME right now (see bug 218251)
[11:04] <ogra> but they might be in the future
[11:04] <persia> -ENOBUGBOT https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mobile/+bug/218251
[11:05] <persia> ogra: Right.
[11:05] <ogra> i.e. in a netbook image there should be as many desktop tolls from the defaut install as possible imho ... else we have to maintain everything twice
[11:05] <ogra> *tools
[11:06] <persia> ogra: Which reminds me, have you put together a meta for your netbook interface idea?
[11:06] <ogra> i.e. we should at least use the same backends ....
[11:06] <lool> persia: The GUI tool is in customer builds though
[11:06]  * persia wants to test on the Kohjinsha, as neither Mobile nor Ubuntu is a good fit
[11:06] <ogra> well, the meta is ubuntu-desktop ... i need to put together a theme and gconf settings
[11:06] <ogra> the app selection is 100% ubuntu-desktop yet
[11:07] <persia> ogra: Just gconf settings?  That's enough to change the interface?  Nothing new is required?
[11:07] <ogra> ah, well, devilspie to make metacity behave like matchbox ... and a two line devilspie config
[11:08] <ogra> and one little script hack to get the close button in the panel
[11:08] <ogra> ut the rest is gnome ui changes
[11:08] <ogra> *but
[11:08]  * persia imagines a seed depending on Ubuntu-Desktop and containing a single -settings package
[11:08] <ogra> well, -sessings and -theme
[11:08] <ogra> nd yes, that was exctly the idea :)
[11:09] <ogra> find the apps in ubuntu that misbehave and add proper gconf keys .... and have the world fixed in one go :)
[11:09] <davmor2> Guys just to let you know the KVM version of RC1 is more reliable than the mic version
[11:09] <persia> Does anyone have a ume-config-common-0.12-1-0ubuntu0 source package?
[11:09] <ogra> no desktop app maintenance apart from the fixes and patches which might even be able to go upstream
[11:10] <persia> Upstream is good :)
[11:10] <ogra> :)
[11:13] <StevenK> persia: I have it locally, I think
[11:15] <persia> StevenK: Did it exist anywhere else?  Can we get it back, or do we need to push -2?  (Assuming that few people are expecting continuous upgrade to work at this point)
[11:17] <lool> persia: -0ubuntu0?
[11:18] <persia> lool: The PPA gave me a diff file exactly matching that which I want to revert against -0ubuntu0
[11:18] <lool> persia: The PPA has indeed
[11:18] <lool> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile/+archive?field.name_filter=ume-config-common&field.status_filter=any
[11:18] <lool> (0.12-1-0ubuntu0)
[11:19] <persia> Aha!  Now, to delete the new one (and save uploading a paper bag)...
[11:20] <StevenK> Hah
[11:20] <StevenK> persia: So you don't need me to find it?
[11:20] <persia> StevenK: Nope.  lool knows LP well enough to save us both the effort :)
[11:21] <StevenK> persia: Heh, fine
[11:34] <persia> The PPA archive-admin stuff isn't so bad, really.
[11:35] <cprov-lunch> persia: ehe, I will take it as a compliment ;)
[11:36]  * dholbach hugs cprov-lunch
[11:38] <persia> cprov-lunch: If you're responsible, you ought :)
[11:43] <lool> persia: cprov-lunch beeps on "ppa", guess how responsible he is :)
[11:44]  * persia ponders the difference for being responsible for a thing and being responsible for creating a thing
[11:58]  * persia seeks peer review of http://paste.ubuntu.com/16558/ as a solution for /etc/default/locale before committing
[12:14] <ogra> persia, does that check if the file exists and is pre-set somewhere already ?
[12:15] <ogra> (your patch doesnt seem to)
[12:16] <asac> lool: are you on amd64?
[12:16] <persia> ogra: Nope.  This is run on the initialisation of the filesystem, prior to any packages.
[12:16] <ogra> ah
[12:16] <persia> Is that safe?
[12:16] <ogra> looks fine imho
[12:17] <ogra> well, thats what i do in all my chroots as well ... does it run locale-gen soewhere with the matchng value ?
[12:17] <ogra> (it wont be pregenerated nowadays)
[12:24] <persia> Hrm.  I'll have to look for that.  In previous testing, the mere existence of /etc/default/locale was enough to make most applications behave (as in use UTF8 rather than POSIX)
[12:25] <ogra> i'm not sure which package does the locale-gen today ... it used t be done in the locale package, then moved to language packs but might be in language-support now which you likely dont want in default mobile as it pulls in tons of extra stuff you dont need
[12:28] <persia> ogra: Yeah.  I think I'll just stuff in this file for now, as I believe pushing it at filesystem-creation time is better than pushing it at ume-common-config time, and has fewer negative implications.
[12:29] <persia> Tracking down locale-gen can be done another day.
[12:29] <ogra> yeah
[12:40] <cprov-lunch> persia: thanks (and yes, I try to be responsible in both sense)
[13:32] <lool> asac: I have an amd64 box
[13:34] <asac> lool: ok, then the libflashsupport problem is not that bad (referring to mail)
[13:34] <lool> asac: ogra questionned by 64-bits use as well
[13:35] <ogra> asac, what makes me curious is that lool says it works fine on debian with the debian version
[13:35] <ogra> (32 bit here)
[13:36] <asac> no pulse?
[13:36] <asac> debian version of what?
[13:36] <ogra> libflashsupport withour pulse ? would that make sense ?
[13:36] <ogra> libflashsupport
 ogra: I'm using a custom install of libflashsupport on Debian/i386 (1.0~2219-1) and 1.9-0ubuntu1 on Ubuntu/amd64
[13:36] <ogra> from -devel ^^^
[13:38] <asac> lool: a custom install?
[13:38] <asac> can you post the build config for that please?
[13:39] <asac> lool: what kind of system spec does the debian system you test on have?
[13:44] <lool> (hold on, phone)
[13:58] <ian_brasil> i am trying to add an icon to the grid desktop and the info on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UMEGuide/ApplicationDevelopment/AddingIconToDesktop does not seem to work
[13:58] <ian_brasil> any ideas?
[13:59] <persia> ian_brasil: Did you add OnlyShowIn=GNOME;Mobile; ?
[13:59] <ian_brasil> no...where do i add this?
[13:59] <StevenK> In the .desktop file
[13:59] <persia> In the ,desktop file.
[13:59] <ian_brasil> ah ok
[14:00] <persia> Also, I'd recommend just putting it in /usr/share/applications, unless you have a good reason to do otherwise.
[14:00] <persia> Ubuntu Mobile no longer only looks in /usr/share/mobile-basic-flash/applications/
[14:01] <ian_brasil> ok..i will update the wiki
[14:01] <persia> ian_brasil: Thanks.
[14:06] <ian_brasil> so it looks in /usr/share/application first ..then /usr/share/mobile-basic-flash/applications ...then anywaher else?
[14:06] <StevenK> It looks in /usr/share/applications only
[14:06] <persia> (and subdirectories thereof)
[14:07] <lool> asac: I'm using the universe flashsupport on Ubuntu/amd64
[14:08] <lool> The custom install probably comes from the website of flashsupport for the Debian install
[14:08] <asac> lool: ok. we should figure their build config then. what version?
[14:09] <lool> 1.0~2219-1
[14:09] <ogra> is that packaged already ?
[14:10] <ogra> (in the archive i mean)
[14:10] <lool> Yes, not the smae version
[14:10] <ogra> it wasnt even in experimental and not clear if it would go in when i looked last time
[14:10] <lool> On Ubuntu, I have 1.9-0ubuntu1
[14:10] <ogra> and it ships a hard openssl dep iirc
[14:10] <lool> libflashsupport | 1.9-0ubuntu2 | intrepid/universe | source, amd64, i386
[14:11] <ogra> right
[14:11] <ogra> the code should be identical though ... both pulled from pulse git which didnt change since a year or so
[14:11] <asac> lool: where did you get that custom package from?
[14:12] <ogra> there is an alioth repo
[14:12] <lool> However there's also a new flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound
[14:12] <lool> Sorry, I mean flashplugin-nonfree-pulse for pulse
[14:12] <ogra> yeah, seems they renamed it
[14:13] <lool> It's split actually
[14:13] <lool> I can't find flashplugin-nonfree-pulse though; only flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound which refers to it
[14:13] <asac> lool: how do you test?
[14:13] <ogra> http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-pulseaudio/flashplugin-nonfree-pulse.git
[14:13] <asac> lool: the test case is going back and forward on youtube until flash/firefox crashes (if you dont have nspluginwrapper)
[14:13] <lool> asac: Nothing in particular, I open flash videos
[14:13] <asac> lool: well. try the case above
[14:14] <asac> go to youtube video, wait for movie to start, go to new youtube video, wait for start, go back + wait, go forward + wait
[14:14] <asac> if you dont have nspluginwrapper in between + you are sure libflashsupport is loaded (e.g. strace) and you are sure that pulse is actually used by flash, then we might have a fix :)
[14:15] <ogra> i wonder how that should have magically appeared though
[14:15] <lool> asac: how many times?
[14:15] <asac> remember that crimsum uploaded some workaround/fixes to intrepid. maybe those are already in debian now.
[14:15] <ogra> lookig at that git repo there are no changes to lennarts code at all
[14:16] <ogra> asac, that was to get rid of the fixed openssl dep ....
[14:16] <asac> lool: no idea. i never made it to 10 retries
[14:16] <ogra> nothing that would affect non encrypted playback
[14:16] <lool> I see flashplayer in pavucontrol
[14:16] <asac> lool: but the slower your sytem is the less likely you will hit the deadlock
[14:16] <asac> ogra: well ... crimsun also claims that he fixed the crashes in his upload
[14:16] <lool> I certainly crash my system from time to time on flash videos
[14:16] <ogra> asac, oh
[14:16] <lool> my browser I mean
[14:17] <asac> ogra: i pinged him multiple times for the last two week to get input on what he did, but he closed all bugs
[14:17] <asac> never got a reply though
[14:17] <ogra> hmm
[14:17] <asac> lool: try the testcase above ... if that doesnt crash your browser then its a good sign
[14:18] <asac> ogra: remember that crimsun had a fix for it in hardy on also side, however that wasn't regression free.
[14:18] <asac> maybe he uploaded to intrepid in the hope that those can be fixed during cycle
[14:18] <ogra> the upload i see in intrepid only changes one dep
[14:18] <asac> s/also side/alsa side/
[14:18] <ogra> * debian/control:  Conflict with flashplugin-nonfree versions older
[14:18] <ogra>      than intrepid's while allowing for backports (LP: #192888).
[14:18] <asac> ogra: yes, but i think that he uploaded other packages in that batch
[14:19] <ogra>    * New upstream beta fixes many crashers (most significantly
[14:19] <ogra>      LP: #192888).
[14:19] <ogra> flash itself
[14:19] <asac> yeah ... i could reproduce the crashes with flash 10 ... the version i tried at UDS
[14:19] <asac> so that alone cant be it ... unless the current upload is more recent and indeed fixes things
[14:19] <asac> lool: using flash 10 from intrepid?
[14:20] <lool> No
[14:20] <asac> and zero crashes?
[14:20] <lool> <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu2
[14:20] <asac> (when doing the test?)
[14:21] <lool> Certainly not zero crashes in general, but I've hit a least 8 times back/forward in youtube now
[14:21] <lool> On the same video
[14:21] <asac> not that bad
[14:21] <lool> Note: one of my CPU is at 100%; it's a fast system, but could behave like a slow system in this case
[14:22] <asac> lool: can you reproduce the crashes on ubuntu? maybe respin the debian libflashsupport on ubuntu?
[14:22] <asac> lool: building?
[14:22] <lool> Not building, just playing the video
[14:22] <lool> It's the same on both computers since forever with flash
[14:22] <asac> sure you are using flashplugin nonfree?
[14:22] <asac> strnage
[14:23] <lool> I got a crash the very first time I connected to youtube today, but since that...
[14:23] <ian_brasil> is there some way to turn icons on or off?...like i want cheese icon to appear in gnome but not in hildon
[14:24] <persia> ian_brasil: The OnlyShowIn key is the best mechanism to control that.
[14:24] <ogra> but will switch the item on/off completely
[14:24] <persia> ogra: Selectively, so you can show or not show in e.g. GNOME or Hildon
[14:25] <ogra> the xdg spec could need an addition
[14:25] <lool> asac: [pid 21542] open("/usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so", O_RDONLY) = 3
[14:25] <lool> [pid 21542] open("/usr/lib32/libflashsupport.so", O_RDONLY) = 35
[14:25] <ogra> persia, yes, but ian_brasil wants to switch visibility of the icon without losing the entry i guess
[14:25] <ian_brasil> right
[14:25] <asac> lool: looks like nspluginwrapper?
[14:25] <ogra> the xdg spec doesnt provde such a feature
[14:25] <persia> Hrm?  How is a menu supposed to show an invisible icon?
[14:25] <asac> that will guard you from crashes
[14:26] <asac> lool: check whether npviewer is running while playing flash
[14:26] <ogra> it will falll back to the default icon in gnome
[14:26] <ogra> not sure hildon has such stuff
[14:26] <persia> ian_brasil: Could you summarise this use case?  I'm fairly familiar with the specs, but a little tired now...
[14:27] <ian_brasil> ok...i will mail the list
[14:28] <lool> asac: Hmm pavucontrol is failing on the amd64 box; probably due to old pa env vars, but new pa running
[14:28] <lool> asac: Oh you mean I should remove nspluginwrapper?
[14:29] <asac> lool: well ... if nspluginwrapper is used you wont see the crashes ;)
[14:29] <asac> so on 64-bit its not an issue for us
[14:29] <asac> not sure about debian, but if you ar e on 64-bit there too then you wont see the bug
[14:29] <ogra> and on i386 we'll catch it the same way in intrepid :)
[14:29] <lool> I'm on i386 on Debian
[14:29] <asac> hopefully
[14:30] <asac> lool: maybe debian has nspluginwrapper on i386?
[14:30] <lool> So I'm sorry guys, I'm a bit lost in what you wanted me to test
[14:30] <ogra> flash without nspluginwrapper on a ubuntu system using pulse :)
[14:30] <lool> I just know I have been using libflashsupport (heck, I even hacked it for my previous job to make flash decode audio for us :-) but what crashes other people I don't know
[14:30] <ogra> preferably i386
[14:30] <lool> Ok; I tested that on Debian only
[14:31] <ogra> right, if debian doesnt use nspluginwrapper that sounds  like a fix for us ...
[14:31] <asac> lool: i just wanted to know whether you have nspluginwrapper on your debian install
[14:31] <ogra> but we dont seem to differ in code at all
[14:31] <ogra> which is weird
[14:32] <lool> I don't have nspluginwrapper on my Debian install
[14:32] <asac> because its strange that you dont see the crash
[14:32] <asac> lool: but you installed flashplugin-nonfree from somewhere ... maybe that includes nspluginwrapper?
[14:32] <asac> if no npviewer is running then you probably dont use it. and we should see why you dont get issues
[14:33] <lool> On Debian [pid 27823] open("/usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so", O_RDONLY) = 60
[14:33] <lool> [pid 27823] open("/usr/lib/libflashsupport.so", O_RDONLY) = 50
[14:33] <asac> lool: you have a link to the debian source package you use?
[14:34] <lool> I don't see any process with np
[14:34] <asac> k
[14:34] <lool> I use libflashsupport (1.0~2219-1) unstable; urgency=low
[14:34] <lool>  -- CJ van den Berg<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:29:54 +0100
[14:35] <lool> I think I got it there http://pulseaudio.revolutionlinux.com/PulseAudio
[14:35] <lool> Ah http://pulseaudio.vdbonline.net/libflashsupport/ dropped
[14:35] <lool> http://pulseaudio.vdbonline.net/ has flashplugin-nonfree-pulse_0.1~000.dsc
[14:37] <asac> hmm
[14:38] <asac> i think i am too tired ;)
[14:38] <lool> I think the pulse impl was rewritten at some point, but IMBW
[14:40] <ogra> it was
[14:40] <ogra> by lennart -... back when he still was DD
[14:40] <ogra> but he didnt touch it since
[14:41] <lool> He isn't DD anymore?
[14:41] <ogra> and now he works for RH keeping him busy with other stuff
[14:41] <ogra> he still is, but makes no use of it
[14:58] <davmor2> pulse and avahi if I remember correctly isn't it ogra
[14:58] <ogra> thats what he did in debian, yes
[14:58] <ogra> now he works for RH, does rpm's and doesnt care much about debian packaging anymore
[14:59] <ogra> we talked a bunch in prague
[14:59] <davmor2> :(
[14:59] <ian_brasil> this is intersting -> cheese does not have OnlyShowIn but it appears in hildon ...others also do not have OnlyShowIn and do not appear..seems like some default list
[15:00] <ogra> ian_brasil, its always more than just the .desktop files, the .menu files have impact as well on what is shown and what not
[15:00] <persia> ogra: There's a bit of a specialty implementation for Ubuntu Mobile...
[15:01] <ogra> i.e. if you disable an item in alacrate in ubuntus normal desktop it wont change the NoDisplay value of the .,desktop file but add a ~/.local/menus/*.menu file ecluding it
[15:01] <ogra> well, and then there are mobile hacks as well apparently :)
[15:04] <emgent> heya
[15:04] <ogra> err, sorry, its ~.config/menus/
[15:36] <ian_brasil> another queston..i want to write a status panel plugin in python to shutdown the system..this is possible right
[15:38] <ogra> tricky if you dont use the default desktop ... i.e. dont have a gdm socket to send the signals to
[15:38] <persia> ian_brasil: For what conceivable reason would you ever want to shut down a MID?  Aside from system crashes, I've never turned off any of mine for the past several years.
[15:38] <persia> Hibernate is the key, and setting a short sleep timer.
[15:38] <ogra> or suspend :)
[15:39] <ogra> have a look at pm-utils for that
[15:39] <ogra> pm-hibernate and pm-suspend specifically
[15:40] <ian_brasil> it is not a MID i am developing for!
[15:41] <persia> Aha!  In that case, yes, just hook into pm-utils :)
[15:41] <ogra> well, for shutdown/reboot you either need a DM to do it proper or add evil hacks to sudores or so
[15:42] <ogra> pm-utils doesnt provide hooks for shutdown/reboot iirc
[15:43] <ian_brasil> ok thx
[15:44] <ogra> for gdm you would want: gdm-signal -h or -r
[15:44] <ogra> assuming you have gdm running with autologin
[15:44] <ian_brasil> i want to do something like gnome with turn off reboot, suspend, hibernate
[15:45] <ogra> why not use the gnome one then ? ...
[15:46] <ogra> oh, wait you dont use gnome-panel/-session i guess
[15:46] <ogra> where the dislog is implemented
[15:46] <ogra> *dialog
[15:46] <ian_brasil> i am using gdm :)
[15:46] <ogra> its easy to en/disable features in that dialog through gconf keys andchanges to gdm.conf
[15:47] <ogra> well, thats a start, try with the gdm-signal command
[15:47] <ian_brasil> ok
[15:47] <ogra> it also offers interfaces to suspend/resume i think (calling pm-utils in the backend)
[15:48] <ian_brasil> gdm-signal does not work..not even with sudo
[15:49] <ian_brasil> i will reboot and try again
[15:54] <ian_brasil> gdm-signal does not seem to work...does not return anything
[15:56] <ogra> hmm
[15:57] <ogra> i know thats what gnome-session uses internally
[15:58] <ogra> gnome-session/gdm-logout-action.c and gnome-session/logout.c use it extensively
[15:58] <ogra> (directly though, not through the gdm-signal binary)
[15:59] <ian_brasil> i tried with xfce too and that does not work either
[16:03] <ogra> hmm
[16:03] <ogra> looks like it doesnt work here either
[16:04] <ogra> it comes from powermanagement-interface which isnt really maintained anymore (just as compatibility layer for pm-utils)
[16:26] <ogra> hmm, strace shows its using wrong strings to send to gdm
[16:26] <ogra> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16599/
[17:21] <ogra> ian_brasil, hey, the trick is to end your session, gdm-signal only queues your comand until the session has ended, then gdm executes it
[17:29] <ian_brasil> ogra: cool..i'll try that
[17:30] <ogra> i just found that out by accident when my system suspended while i had only logged out :)
[18:16] <ailean> guys, can anyone help me choose an ubuntu-friendly smartphone/pda? I'm not overly concerned about running ubuntu/linux ON it (although that would be nice), just to be able to use it with my ubuntu laptop well.
[23:12] <bspencer> anyone tried to use yelp in UME?


[04:00] <TheMuso> c
[04:48] <pitti> Good morning
[05:41] <didrocks> morning
[06:44] <Sweetshark> GoOOood morning, Ubuntu!
[06:48] <didrocks> hey Sweetshark
[06:57] <larsu> good morning!
[07:06] <didrocks> morning larsu
[07:09] <willcooke> MORNING
[07:09] <willcooke> oops.  Caps lock FTW
[07:09] <larsu> GOOD MORNING WILL
[07:10] <willcooke> :D
[07:13] <TheMuso> Hey willcooke.
[07:17] <willcooke> hi TheMuso
[07:18] <didrocks> hey willcooke, TheMuso
[07:18] <willcooke> morning didrocks
[07:20] <Sweetshark> willcooke: caps lock is cruise control for cool ...
[07:20] <Sweetshark> ... but you still have to steer ;)
[07:25] <willcooke> :D
[07:27] <willcooke> TheMuso, just packing my kid off to school, be with you in a couple of mins
[07:27] <TheMuso> willcooke: No worries.
[07:33] <willcooke> TheMuso, ok, joining the hangout now
[08:03] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:03] <seb128> larsu, hey, about evince, I guess we could hide the toolbar in the recently open view
[08:16] <seb128> larsu, the uitk icon change finally landed :-)
[08:23] <larsu> seb128: nice! I'll prepare the settings and unity8 branches after fixing evince theming
[08:24] <seb128> larsu, thanks
[08:24] <seb128> larsu, thanks for the evince review btw :-)
[08:24] <larsu> yw
[08:56] <didrocks> popey: do you know how to ask for the canonical and ubuntu flairs on reddit? it seems that we can't comment anymore on http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/l5b3x/members_and_canonical_employees_claim_your_flair/
[08:56] <popey> didrocks: maybe ask rww (on irc) and he can do it as a mod?
[08:58] <didrocks> thanks popey :)
[09:16] <didrocks> Trevinho: any news on the Unity launcher bug? I'm getting it quite regularly with the number of installation I'm doing
[09:56] <seb128> was Laney supposed to be back today?
[09:57] <willcooke> seb128, because of the delays he's taking another day
[09:57] <willcooke> see UE Holiday Calendar - which is now always up to date for our team ;)
[09:57] <seb128> willcooke, ok, thanks
[09:57]  * larsu applauds willcooke
[09:58] <seb128> willcooke, speaking of which, is that ok if I take tomorrow off?
[09:58] <willcooke> \o/
[09:58] <seb128> thanks ;-)
[09:58] <willcooke> seb128, sure thing
[09:59] <seb128> willcooke, what does "pto" stands for?
[09:59] <willcooke> seb128, "Paid Time Off" - it's the new jam
[09:59] <seb128> thanks
[09:59] <willcooke> the HR system calls it that
[09:59] <willcooke> I think it's am Americanism
[09:59] <willcooke> *an
[10:00] <willcooke> personally, I like "holiday" but that has some kind of special meaning apparently
[10:00] <larsu> do we have UTO as well?
[10:00] <larsu> sounds like it...
[10:02] <willcooke> larsu, yup
[10:03] <larsu> nice, thanks!
[10:04] <seb128> larsu, hum, your settings StatusIcon -> Icon creates issues
[10:05] <larsu> "issues"?
[10:09] <seb128> larsu, sorry, was taking screenshot
[10:09] <seb128> larsu, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/icons.png
[10:09] <seb128> larsu, without the change they are placed as they should
[10:09] <larsu> seb128: clearly this should not happen :D
[10:10] <seb128> larsu, that's what I though :p
[10:10] <larsu> seb128: I'll have a look after lunch
[10:10] <seb128> larsu, thanks
[10:11] <seb128> larsu, works fine if I specify width: height
[10:13] <larsu> seb128: I'm pretty sure you need to do this now
[10:13] <larsu> unless it's a rectangular icon
[10:13] <larsu> well, you always needed to do it with Icon, just not with StatusIcon
[10:13] <larsu> I missed that I guess
[10:13] <seb128> larsu, ok, please add that to your mp then :-)
[10:13] <larsu> I will, thanks
[10:13] <seb128> danke
[10:41] <willcooke> woot.  Mouse support now greatly improve in the U8 desktop preview
[10:41] <seb128> willcooke, what changed?
[10:41] <willcooke> seb128, https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1289072
[10:41] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1289072 in unity8-desktop-session (Ubuntu) "Nested servers need cursor support" [High,In progress]
[10:42] <seb128> I need to upgrade that box, too many things to try between desktop, lts, rtm, next :-)
[10:42] <seb128> oh, nice
[10:42] <willcooke> From my testing I can open the launcher and side stage etc with the mouse, which I don't /think/ I could do before
[10:42] <seb128> great
[10:42] <seb128> I'm going to test after lunch
[10:42] <seb128> outdated version, then upgrade and look at the difference ;-)
[10:43] <willcooke> cool, seb128 if you can confirm it's better now I'll knock out another screen cast
[10:43] <seb128> ok
[11:30] <Cimi> seb128, larsu chromium has overlay scrollbars in chrome://flags
[11:31] <Cimi> they are exactly as I like them, inside the window
[11:32] <seb128> Cimi, indeed, but my point stands, that's not consistent between toolkits
[11:32] <seb128> their implementation is different from ours
[11:32] <larsu> Cimi: ya, those are really nice (except the animation is too slow)
[11:32] <larsu> Cimi: facebook has similar ones
[11:32] <Cimi> seb128, I know it is
[11:32] <Cimi> I like that implementation
[11:32] <seb128> larsu, would it be easier for us to do that, rather than we have atm?
[11:33] <Cimi> when I was asked to work on overlay scrollbars 4 years ago, I proposed them to be exactly how they are now
[11:33] <larsu> seb128: not sure, but I bet mpt would prefer it
[11:33] <Cimi> seb128, larsu MUCH simpler
[11:33]  * seb128 hides the vodka
[11:33] <Cimi> first of all, they are inside the window
[11:34] <didrocks> yeah, and so no crazy X window ouside :)
[11:34] <Cimi> so you can override the rendering
[11:34] <larsu> Cimi: because there's no additional window needed?
[11:34] <larsu> ya, makes sense
[11:34] <Cimi> and add something on top
[11:34] <Cimi> you just get the mouse event from GDK
[11:34] <seb128> well it's basically changing the scrollbar widget look dynamically
[11:34] <seb128> making it thin or a bit bigger
[11:34] <Cimi> using the same filtering as it is now, but you draw within the same window
[11:35] <Cimi> seb128, something like that
[11:35] <Cimi> but is lot easier and simpler
[11:36] <Cimi> only thing I can think is that a child window is still required, because it has to go on top of embedded windows like flash player or video stuff
[11:36] <Cimi> I don't know if gtk arrived to be 100% with a single window
[11:36] <Cimi> we just need to convince design
[11:37] <larsu> "just"
[11:41] <seb128> willcooke, JohnLea, ^ could design we convinced to do overlay-scrollbars the way facebook/chrome/etc are doing it?
[11:42] <seb128> e.g a small ui that turn into a scrollbar on mouse proximity, in the window (rather than a thumb outside)
[11:48]  * didrocks likes the 3rd arguments of Assert* in tests
[11:48] <didrocks> nose.proxy.AssertionError: 2 != 1 : {'eclipse-adt': <udtc.frameworks.android.EclipseAdt object at 0x7f4c96d9c710>, 'android-studio': <udtc.frameworks.android.AndroidStudio object at 0x7f4c96d9cf28>}
[11:48]  * didrocks hugs pitti for the advice!
[11:49] <pitti> didrocks: quoi ?
[11:49] <pitti> didrocks: oh, for showing the contents if the lenght isn't expected? :-)
[11:49] <didrocks> pitti: because I'm getting more than 2 != 1 but the content as well :)
[11:49] <didrocks> yep
[11:49] <pitti> didrocks: yeah, a test that goes "I fail, go figure, *smirk*" is always annoying :)
[11:50] <didrocks> indeed, great tip on that extra arg :)
[11:50] <Cimi> seb128, john is on holiday till october
[11:50] <seb128> Cimi, k
[12:28] <Trevinho> didrocks: not yet, sorry...
[12:29] <didrocks> Trevinho: do you have any ETA?
[12:29] <didrocks> we discussed it in may at first IIRC, that would be nice to get that fixed ;)
[12:30] <Trevinho> didrocks: Mh not yet, but soon I hope... Do you get that in trusty too, right?
[12:30] <didrocks> Trevinho: yeah, trusty (less often), but utopic as well
[12:31] <didrocks> Trevinho: it kind of give a bad perception of our developer tools I guess as the last step silently seems to fail for the user…
[12:31] <didrocks> (until they logout/login)
[12:45] <willcooke> seb128, @ scroll bars - I'll sync up with JohnLea next week and see what he says
[12:45] <seb128> willcooke, thanks
[13:52] <willcooke> seb128, didrocks do you guys play Cards Against Humanity (as well as gambling and card games ;) 0
[13:52] <seb128> willcooke, I played in Oakland, fun game
[13:53] <seb128> why?
[13:53] <willcooke> seb128, just thinking of things to do at the sprint
[13:53] <willcooke> apart from, ya know, work
[13:53] <seb128> right
[13:53] <seb128> team dinner? ;-)
[13:54] <willcooke> as well as team dinner
[13:54] <willcooke> If I buy you all beer you have to play cards with me.  that's the deal
[13:54] <willcooke> ;)
[14:01] <willcooke> seb128, did you upgrade your u8 machine yet?  No hurry, just curious
[14:08] <seb128> willcooke, no, get carried away on debugging qml issues, upgrade running now, thanks for the reminder ;-)
[14:10] <seb128> willcooke, I can see a working mouse cursor before upgrading
[14:37] <didrocks> willcooke: buying beer is to make our non native english even more sucky? :)
[14:37] <didrocks> seems like a strategy ;)
[14:40] <willcooke> :D
[14:41] <willcooke> seb128, working = you can open the launcher etc?
[14:44] <seb128> willcooke, yes, I can see the cursor, click on icons, dnd the launcher on the left, dnd out the right pane, display indicators, etc
[14:44] <willcooke> seb128, hrm.  I must have remembered wrongly
[14:44] <willcooke> seb128, kk. thx
[14:45] <seb128> yw
[15:19] <seb128> Laney, should I upload evince or do you want the theme/upstreaming issues to be sorted out before?
[15:24] <seb128> kenvandine, I think one of your changes created issues in the update panel, it starts downloading updates on opening now, even if set on "never"
[15:24] <kenvandine> ugh... it shouldn't!
[15:24] <kenvandine> that's why i added that check for download mode
[15:24] <seb128> kenvandine, it does it consistently for me, I rebooted the device, still doing it
[15:24] <kenvandine> :/
[15:24] <kenvandine> ok, i'll look at it
[15:24] <kenvandine> please file a bug
[15:25] <seb128> kenvandine, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1368294
[15:25] <seb128> kenvandine, let me know if you can confirm or not
[15:26] <kenvandine> seb128, will do, thanks!
[15:27] <seb128> thanks
[16:10] <didrocks> seb128: do you mind running "python3 -c 'import platform; print(platform.machine())'
[16:11] <didrocks> on your glorious 32 bits machine, please? :)
[16:11] <seb128> i686
[16:11] <didrocks> perfect, thanks! :)
[16:11] <seb128> yw!
[16:11]  * didrocks wanted to avoid running dpkg-architecture during the tests
[16:22] <willcooke> seb128s 32 bit machine:  http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-PFA8vX912YM/UETRgtXQBUI/AAAAAAAAAh8/zN7taxwmsvA/s1600/wooden+computer.jpg
[16:23] <seb128> lol
[17:32] <willcooke> EOD - tata
[20:51] <robert_ancell> Laney, is the gnome-session change in bzr delayed for any reason - can I make a release?


[01:21] <Unit193> bluesabre: That doesn't seem like the correct reaction, tbh.
[01:31] <bluesabre> Unit193: I did notice that kubuntu-desktop/kubuntu-full seem to depend on it. Don't see anything else that would obviously make it work in the other desktops. http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ckMtZMDc2J/
[01:31] <Unit193> Yeah, they seemed to be the only ones.
[17:54] <brainwash> jbicha: do you know where to move this bug 1801629?
[17:55] <brainwash> it appears to be something new in 18.10, and so far has been confirmed to affect xubuntu and ubuntu mate
[17:55] <brainwash> probably other flavours too (minus kubuntu which already depends on those packages)
[18:11] <jbicha> brainwash: you should try to escalate that with the Foundations team


[01:32] <grimpo> just booted into a fresh install of 22.04 and neither firefox nor chromium (both allegedly already installed) will launch. the errors appear to be snap related.
[01:37] <grimpo> i think cannonical may have finally jumped the shark. i'll boot back into 18.04 (where I still have access to a graphical web browser) and investigate the current state of mint / debian / etc.
[13:49] <xu-irc18w> i need help
[13:50] <xu-irc18w> with xubuntu
[13:55] <arraybolt3> xu-irc18w: How can we help?
[14:01] <xu-irc18w> i want to install it alongside windows 10, it says it found it but i cant pick the option to install it alongside windows
[14:07] <arraybolt3> xu-irc18w: Can you show a screenshot of the part where it won't let you install alongside? You can upload the screenshot to Imgur and then send the link here.
[14:08] <xu-irc18w> yeah just let me restart
[14:51] <xu-irc18w> the problem from before solved but now i cant select my instalation path
[14:53] <arraybolt3> xu-irc18w: Installation path? Not sure what that means, do you have multiple drives in the computer and are unable to select which drive to install to?
[14:53] <xu-irc18w> yes
[14:53] <arraybolt3> Ah. OK, can I see a screenshot of the issue?
[14:53] <xu-irc18w> there is only one out of three
[14:53] <xu-irc18w> yes
[14:53] <xu-irc18w> wait
[14:54] <xu-irc18w> imgur.com/oUp3i1l.png
[14:55] <xu-irc18w> oh sorry i just saw its german
[14:55] <arraybolt3> xu-irc18w: OK, I see the problem, I think. No other drives appear when clicking the drop-down right?
[14:55] <xu-irc18w> yes
[14:55] <arraybolt3> (I don't mind foreign languages. I've used the Ubuntu installers many times and know what I'm looking at even when it's in other languages.)
[14:56] <xu-irc18w> ok
[14:56] <arraybolt3> OK, so, are you trying to install Xubuntu entirely to one drive? Is it intended to take over the entire drive that you install it onto?
[14:56] <arraybolt3> Or do you need it to take part of the space of the other drive?
[14:57] <xu-irc18w> yes the entire drive
[14:58] <arraybolt3> xu-irc18w: OK. Click the button to go back, then select "Something Else" (the option at the bottom of the list). Manual partitioning will be the easiest and safest way to do this.
[14:59] <arraybolt3> (Also, just as a side note, it's probably a good idea to have backups of your important data before installing a second OS like thiss)
[14:59] <arraybolt3> *this
[14:59] <xu-irc18w> ok i will make some back ups now
[15:14] <xu-irc18w> ok im finished with the back ups
[15:17] <xu-irc18w> can you tell me how this  Manual partitioning works
[15:19] <arraybolt3> xu-irc18w: Easy. So are you add the manual partitioning screen?
[15:20] <xu-irc18w> wait a sec
[15:22] <xu-irc18w> im just switched to my phone
[15:23] <xu-irc18w78> It loads long
[15:29] <Xu-irc18w> Oh my two systems just met I think
[15:36] <Xu-irc18w> Ok I'm in
[15:58] <bob> can somoene help me with the instalation of xubuntu
[16:09] <arraybolt3> bob: Sorry to be gone so long, had other things take my attention.
[16:09] <arraybolt3> bob: (You are the same user as Xu-irc18w, right?)
[16:13] <bob> yes
[16:14] <arraybolt3> bob: OK, and you're at the manual partitioning screen?
[16:14] <bob> yees
[16:14] <bob> *yes
[16:15] <arraybolt3> OK, so, can you send a screenshot again so I can see what drives are on the display and make sure that everything's working as expected?
[16:16] <bob> 1. https://imgur.com/SeAkluj.png
[16:16] <bob> 2. https://imgur.com/G5mu3SS.png
[16:17] <bob> 3. https://imgur.com/v1I5HHC.png
[16:18] <bob> 4. https://imgur.com/i1vhY1R.png
[16:18] <arraybolt3> Crikey, ok, hold on, this is a bit more complicated than I thought it was going to be. Let me make sure I give you good instructions before telling you what to click.
[16:18] <bob> 5. https://imgur.com/E3RSKUc.png
[16:18] <bob> ok
[16:19] <arraybolt3> Which drive do you want to install to? The 1 TB one with the ext4 filesystem on it?
[16:19] <bob> yes i clicked the ext4 accendantly
[16:20] <arraybolt3> OK, this may take a bit since I'm going to try to create a similar setup so that the instructions I give are accurate.
[16:20] <bob> ok
[16:33] <arraybolt3> bob: Alright, I'm looking at the manual partitioning screen also.
[16:33] <arraybolt3> You're fine with losing everything on that 1 TB drive with the ext4 partition, right?
[16:33] <arraybolt3> And that's the intended location for Xubuntu to be installed at?
[16:33] <bob> yes i put what was on there on my 16 tb drive
[16:33] <bob> yes
[16:34] <arraybolt3> Alright. Click on /dev/sdb (the 1 TB drive), and then click "New Partition Table" (looks like Neue Partitionstabelle on your screen).
[16:34] <arraybolt3> Then confirm that you want to make the partition table.
[16:35] <bob> there stands sdb1 or shoud i take sdb
[16:35] <arraybolt3> bob: Click the /dev/sdb device (not the /dev/sdb1 partition).
[16:36] <bob> ok done
[16:36] <arraybolt3> OK, click the free space under /dev/sdb, then click the + button just under the lower-left corner of the drive list.
[16:37] <bob> ok
[16:37] <arraybolt3> This will pop up a "Create partition" window, set the size to 300 MB, partition type as "Primary", location as "Beginning of this space", use as "EFI System Partition". Then click OK.
[16:37] <arraybolt3> This should end up with a 1 MB free space at the beginning of the drive, then the EFI partition, then the rest of the drive's free space, all under the /dev/sdb entry/
[16:38] <bob> ok wait i need to put that in a translator
[16:39] <bob> ok done
[16:39] <arraybolt3> Wait hold on, let me just put my installer in German.
[16:40] <arraybolt3> (Everything you did was right, I'm just going to make it easier for the rest of the steps.)
[16:41] <arraybolt3> Alright, click the free space at the end of the drive (just after the EFI partition), then click the + button again.
[16:41] <bob> ok
[16:42] <arraybolt3> This time leave "GroBe" where it is (sorry, don't have the key for the etzet character on my keyboard), then make sure "Benutzen als" is set to "Ext4-Journaling-Dateisystem", and set "Einbindungspunkt" to "/".  Then make sure that everything is correct (a screen will pop up to confirm), then click "Weiter".
[16:44] <arraybolt3> After that, everything should be pretty much straightforward.
[16:45] <arraybolt3> (Apologies for missing all of the accent marks and whatnot, I didn't miss them, just, en-US keyboards + de language = stuff is missing sometimes)
[16:45] <bob> ok is that right
[16:46] <bob> If you continue, all changes listed below will be written to the hard disk(s). Otherwise, you can make further changes manually.
[16:46] <bob> WARNING: This will destroy all data on partitions that you have removed and partitions that are about to be formatted.
[16:46] <bob> The partition tables of the following devices have been changed:
[16:46] <bob>  SCSI2 (0,0,0) (sdb)
[16:46] <bob> The following partitions will be formatted:
[16:46] <bob>  Partition 1 on SCSI2 (0,0,0) (sdb) as ESP
[16:47] <arraybolt3> bob: What I'm seeing looks right, but pasting stuff right into IRC has caused a bot to mute you before I could see everything. Try putting it in a pastebin site like bpa.st. (Mute lasts for 60 seconds, sorry for the inconvenience.)
[16:48] <bob> https://dpaste.com/3TTADEF33
[16:49] <bob> if everthings alright then thank you very much!
[16:49] <arraybolt3> bob: Looks perfect!
[17:37] <ali_> hi


[10:28] <andrejz> hello
[10:28] <andrejz> kelemengabor do you possibly know where do the strings to choose time zone (in the installer) come from?
[10:29] <kelemengabor> andrejz: no idea :(
[10:29] <andrejz> it's not debian-installer or ubiquity
[10:29] <kelemengabor> it uses some "new" system
[10:30] <kelemengabor> we had bug 645093 about the city names not being entirely translated
[10:30] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 645093 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "City name appears in English (affects: 2) (heat: 3)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/645093
[10:32] <sagaci> I currently run the en_AU translation teams for the ubuntu and launchpad side of things... would it be sound to add one team as a subteam to the other, say the LP team to the Ubuntu team so that when someone joins the Ubuntu team, they'll be able be auto added to the LP team and be ready to translate from both sides?
[10:32] <sagaci> or even just to consolidate membership and mailing lists
[10:33] <andrejz> @sagci that can be easily done
[10:33] <andrejz> sagaci
[10:34] <andrejz> in slovenian we have exactly the same situation
[10:34] <andrejz> if you are in Ubuntu team you are also in the LP team
[10:34] <sagaci> It's just that I wanted to see what other teams were doing and just checking this wasn't a disaster idea
[10:34] <kelemengabor> andrejz: but these city names we have in 11.10, are certainly not the old ones: http://people.ubuntu.com/~kelemeng/pix/locations.png
[10:35] <andrejz> in our case it works ok
[10:36] <andrejz> because people who know how to translate ubuntu also know how to translate other packages
[10:36] <andrejz> and it decreases the amount of resources taken as we are a small team, so we don't want to duplicate
[10:36] <sagaci> I don't see any disadvantages with it - I'll send an email to our list to gauge interest
[10:37] <sagaci> I'm with en_AU, so it's not incredibly mind-blowing translation :)
[10:37] <andrejz> on the launchpad team page you should have a button "add one of my teams"
[10:39] <andrejz> @kelemengabor: i would like to fix one string and i don't know where to do it ;)
[10:39] <sagaci> what's the string
[10:40] <kelemengabor> andrejz: perhaps it is in the iso-3166 domain? that seems to be used: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/ubiquity/precise/view/head:/ubiquity/tz.py
[10:40] <kelemengabor> but you better do it upstream, in the Translation Project
[10:41] <andrejz> ok, thanks kelemngabor
[11:00] <head_victim> sagaci: I am responding in email, I'm not certain what team you want subbing off the other team.
[11:01] <head_victim> andrejz: is the Ubuntu team a member of the Launchpad translation team or vice versa? To me making the Ubuntu team a member of the Launchpad team seems the most logical
[11:02] <andrejz> yes
[11:02] <andrejz> Ubuntu member is also a member of Launchpad
[11:02] <head_victim> Just checking
[11:02] <andrejz> we also have one member who is Launchpad team only ;)
[11:03] <head_victim> andrejz: yeah that makes sense, if you make the launchpad team a member of the Ubuntu team that would be a bit odd I think?
[11:03] <andrejz> I think so to
[11:04] <andrejz> people might want to work on Launchpad for project X, which they adore and don't want to translate Ubuntu or be associated with it
[11:04] <head_victim> andrejz: yep, exactly the use case I'm thinking of
[11:04] <andrejz> on the other hand Ubuntu translators very often translate some other programs in Launhpad so it makes sense
[11:04] <head_victim> sagaci: is that what you're thinking or have I got it the wrong way around?
[11:05] <andrejz> and if they like Ubuntu they are usually also OK with LP
[11:05] <head_victim> andrejz: yep, just like Ubuntu is a project on the Launchpad site, the Ubuntu translation should be a member of the Launchpad team.
[11:06] <andrejz> exactly
[11:08] <sagaci> sorry, just away from the computer for a bit, I had it the other way around, assuming that the Ubuntu team would be the focus, translated packages being the supported ones from main, whereas the Launchpad team being all the other fragments everywhere else :/
[11:09] <sagaci> but if it's more logical to do it that way, either way is fine
[11:10] <head_victim> sagaci: I just know we'll have someone who wants to translate something that doesn't want to be a part of Ubuntu. It's bound to happen. I can't imagine anything the other way though as Ubuntu is already on Launchpad.


[04:17] <tadpole> Can anyone direct me to a link or explanation on how to set default programs for things like .html .css .txt
[04:18] <tadpole> Seems like every time I try a new program it takes over its general area of files.
[16:55] <madeinkobaia> Hi, I have some questions about a wallpaper project for promoting UbuntuStudio, am I in right place for ask that ? Thanks : )
[16:56] <holstein> sure madeinkobaia
[17:02] <madeinkobaia> Great, in fact I just done a wallpaper for Ubuntu (in fact for the wallpaper contest of the 13.04 version, see the pool contest) you can see it here http://fav.me/d5ysi54, and I would like to do one specially for UbuntuStudio...my questions are 1) is there a wallpaper contest for the next UbuntuStudio release and 2) where can I submit it to the UbuntuStudio team for have their opinion and maybe recommendations ?
[17:03] <holstein> madeinkobaia: we have a dev channel
[17:03] <holstein> #ubuntustudio-devel
[17:04] <zequence> madeinkobaia: We're actually looking for artists for the next release. 13.04 is all done now, but we have some ideas for 13.10 and 14.04
[17:04] <zequence> But, do join the -devel channel first :)
[17:05] <madeinkobaia> Oh ok, I do it right one, thanks :)
[17:06] <madeinkobaia> See you there :)


[06:43] <Kilos> guten morgen
[06:46] <Kilos> hi superfly thatgraemeguy inetpro bushtech skokkk and all others also as well too
[06:46] <Kilos> Maaz_ coffee on
[06:46]  * Maaz_ puts the kettle on
[06:47] <superfly> hi Kilos, how are you doing today?
[06:48] <Kilos> very good ty superfly , op done yesterday and was walking around last night already
[06:48] <Kilos> only hurts when i cough
[06:48] <thatgraemeguy> hi Kilos
[06:48] <Kilos> hehe
[06:49] <thatgraemeguy> good stuff, how long do you have to hang out in the hospital
[06:49] <Kilos> hopefully i get to go home today
[06:49] <thatgraemeguy> lekka
[06:49] <Kilos> yeah
[06:49] <superfly> Kilos: I'm glad to hear everything went well.
[06:49] <Kilos> ty
[06:50] <Maaz_> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[06:50] <andrewlsd> Hi Kilos
[06:50] <Kilos> they actually cut deep, ad surprisingly i dont need pain meds
[06:50] <Kilos> hi andrewlsd
[06:51] <Kilos> Maaz_ ty
[06:51] <Maaz_> You are welcome Kilos
[06:57] <bushtech> strongs Kilos, hope you come back 100%
[07:00] <Kilos> ty bushtech i actually feel good
[07:00] <pieter2627> morning all
[07:00] <Kilos> better than when i came in
[07:01] <Kilos> hi pieter2627
[07:01] <Kilos> how you lad
[07:01] <pieter2627> wow oom Kilos, op done?
[07:01] <pieter2627> good good,ty
[07:01] <Kilos> yip yesterday
[07:01] <Kilos> hehe
[07:01] <pieter2627> feeling like a new person?
[07:02] <Kilos> almost yeah
[07:03] <pieter2627> glad that oom is back
[07:03] <Kilos> dankie
[07:39]  * andrewlsd is fighting with Afrihost/Axxess network.  "red" status yay. 50% packet loss. yay!
[07:39]  * andrewlsd is glad he is not using that ISP today.
[08:12] <superfly> I find that Axxess is OK up till midnight. after midnight, I can't do ANYTHING
[08:12] <superfly> can't wait for their new network
[08:23] <thatgraemeguy> crystalweb ftw
[08:23] <thatgraemeguy> full speed all day every day
[08:23] <superfly> it's just been recent
[09:01] <andrewlsd> superfly: I thought today's issues might be BGP-related due to them moving netblocks, but it looks like it's just that MTN's network is poked.
[09:01] <superfly> yeah, from everyone I've spoken to, MTN's network sucks
[11:26]  * skokkk late hello to Kilos
[11:28] <Kilos> np
[11:28] <Kilos> i been busy getting checked and cleared fo discharge this afternoon
[11:29] <Kilos> and had lunch
[12:11] <magespawn> good afternoon
[12:14] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[12:14] <magespawn> hi Kilos, you still at the hospital?
[12:15] <Kilos> yip leaving around 5
[12:16] <magespawn> have you had the operation?
[12:16] <Kilos> yip yesterday
[12:17] <Kilos> somewhere between 9. and 1245
[12:17] <magespawn> and a success?
[12:18] <Kilos> feels good and the prof happy. says i must just let thingts grow together
[12:18] <Kilos> no bending or lifting
[12:18] <Kilos> 6 weeks light duty hehe
[12:19] <magespawn> so you have type lightly, no banging on the keyboard?
[12:20] <Kilos> lol yeah
[12:20] <Kilos> and as little sitting as possible
[12:21] <magespawn> now that could be a pain
[12:22] <Kilos> yeah lying down and typing is a mission, easier to sleep
[12:24] <magespawn> which might be a good thing
[12:25] <magespawn> i think sleeping is supposed to help you get better
[12:29] <Kilos> hehe
[12:34] <andrewlsd> Hi Peeps. LSD is looking to grow in Cape Town. Sysadmin type position: http://goo.gl/ZJkJB5
[12:40] <thatgraemeguy> mmmmmmm LSD
[12:40] <thatgraemeguy> oh...... :-/
[12:41] <magespawn> hi andrewlsd, i am not sure i have enough experience to come work for LSD, but i will my send CV
[12:41] <magespawn> thatgraemeguy: ?
[12:41] <Kilos> andrewlsd superfly https://twitter.com/Afrihost/status/654947028733186048
[12:41] <thatgraemeguy> what's the salary range andrewlsd?
[13:09] <magespawn> brb\
[14:18] <andrewlsd> thatgraemeguy:  magespawn: email me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and I'll give you a shout with more info.
[14:25]  * pieter2627 only now sees the lsd in andrewlsd
[14:36] <Kilos> haha
[14:36] <Kilos> cheers for now guys, im packing up to go home
[14:36] <Kilos> laters


[11:07] <jack> join
[11:07] <jack> help
[11:10] <ashwinm199> Hey there
[11:10] <ashwinm199> I have got  Dlink dwa 131 wireless nano adapter to my pc running on lubuntu
[11:10] <ashwinm199> I am not able to install drivers for it
[11:11] <ashwinm199> Could you please help
[17:07] <redwolf> I got late for ashwinm199: https://askubuntu.com/questions/591016/how-to-install-a-wireless-adapter-d-link-dwa-131


[19:45] <sdhd-sascha> hi, i am searching the latest, bleeding edge, git tree for the raspi 4 ubuntu kernel ?
[19:45] <sdhd-sascha> i only found this, but the branch didn't exists: Vcs-Git: git://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel/ubuntu/+source/linux/+git/eoan -b linux-raspi2
[22:56] <apw> sdhd-sascha, drop the linux- prefix
[22:58] <sdhd-sascha> apw: thank you. Is eoan really the latest? I found "focal" too, but the latest commit is older there