[04:28] <sniker> hi, anyones have experience with the package "timeout 1.1" for amd64?
[04:31] <motaboy> Hi all!


[01:58] <tonyyarusso> da snows have moved into southwestern Minnesota - here it comes!
[02:02] <mr_steve> yay
[02:04]  * tonyyarusso reads weather applet
[02:04] <tonyyarusso> Rest of tonight:  New snow accumulation of 7 to 8 inches.
[02:05] <tonyyarusso> Saturday:  Snow accumulation of 6 to 8 inches.
[02:05] <tonyyarusso> Works for me!
[02:06]  * sparklehistory thinks tonyyarusso might be a bit excited
[02:09] <mr_steve> I'm not really terribly thrilled about the prospect of 16" of snow, myself...
[02:10] <tonyyarusso> Then move to Kansas with all the other bores and weaklings!
[02:11] <mr_steve> haha believe me, I've considered it
[05:37] <tonyyarusso> Dude, the last NAM/WRF model run upgraded the accumulation totals for the metro into the highest region \o/
[05:38] <tonyyarusso> This one claims 18-20" for downtown.
[05:38]  * tonyyarusso hopes it's true
[06:00] <tonyyarusso> "One model is producing 1.5 to 2.25 inches of precipitation in an area covering the Twin Cities and western Wisconsin. Given the expected snow/water ratios of 13-17 to 1, that model gives snowfall totals of 19.5 to, ug, 38.5 inches, with the highest amounts from Hasting, Red Wing and Lake City, up through Prescott, River Falls and Eau Claire." - this just in from Kenny
[06:00] <tonyyarusso> 38.5" would be massively LOL.  Highly unlikely as well, but hey.
[06:01] <sparklehistory> Um, I don't think I'm cool with snow that's more than half my height :P
[06:02] <tonyyarusso> Me neither.  It should be DOUBLE my height!
[06:03] <sparklehistory> 11 feet of snow seems a bit excessive....
[06:04] <tonyyarusso> nah
[06:18] <mr_steve> got nearly an inch here already, it's gonna be a bastard to shovel out tomorrow
[06:35] <Takyoji> and it's not a Minnesota winter until you slide into a ditch
[06:35] <Takyoji> which I just returned from doing. xP
[06:38] <mr_steve> I almost miss my Lumina van, it was way too much fun in the snow
[06:38] <mr_steve> The slightest attempt to brake resulted in a 360-degree spin about 1 time out of ten
[06:39] <mr_steve> it had serious ABS issues
[06:42] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: Congrats on being one of the first.
[06:42] <tonyyarusso> ABS?  We don't need none o' that newfangled technology!
[06:42]  * tonyyarusso drives a car without airbags, much less ABS
[06:43] <mr_steve> tonyyarusso: damn right!
[06:43] <mr_steve> I pulled the ABS fuse from that van when it developed the habit of releasing my brakes while attempting a normal stop downhill
[06:44] <mr_steve> Now I do it pre-emptively with any GM vehicle
[06:44] <Takyoji> Yea, the truck I was in had neither ABS nor airbags. :P
[06:46] <mr_steve> I've never actually experienced braking with ABS under any condition where it was called for, just plenty where it wasn't. I learned from the beginning to control my own braking
[06:47] <mr_steve> And I mostly hate airbags, the owner's manual for my mom's truck actually recommends holding the wheel at 8 & 4 to prevent injuries from the airbags
[06:47] <mr_steve> Who the heck is gonna drive with the bottom half of the wheel?
[06:49] <mr_steve> of course nowdays I just ride the bus, so I let the angry man/woman in the striped shirt worry about the intricacies of winter driving :)
[06:51] <Takyoji> Also, anyone seen a system with Ubuntu not mounting flash drives at all; nor even powering it?
[06:52] <mr_steve> Takyoji: I think I have run in to something like that before
[06:53] <mr_steve> I just can't quite remember what the deal was
[06:53] <Takyoji> Because I have a friend with that issue
[06:53] <Takyoji> Running Ubuntu 10.10
[06:54] <Takyoji> And when you check dmesg, you can tell it notices something being connected via USB
[06:55] <mr_steve> Is it specific to flash drives, or all USB devices? One flash drive, or all flash drives?
[06:58] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: I had that, specific to a particular port on one machine.
[06:58] <Takyoji> It's with all flash drives.
[06:58] <Takyoji> When you plug in any flash drive, the flash drive's activity light doesn't even illuminate at all
[06:59] <mr_steve> And he's tried more than one port?
[06:59] <mr_steve> oooh and does the device show up in lsusb -v while it's connected?
[07:00] <Takyoji> There's only 2 ports, neither worked
[07:00] <Takyoji> I'll have to ask them, next opportunity I get (I checked it in person tonight about an hour ago)
[07:01] <mr_steve> If they've tried other devices, like a USB mouse, and it works, than I'd be thinking something screwed up with the mass storage driver, but I dunno
[07:04] <Takyoji> Also, managed to get another laptop with an Ubuntu installation tonight; woo
[07:06] <mr_steve> Sweet. I'm still trying to get the fresh 10.10 install on this laptop tweaked just right
[07:06] <Takyoji> only thing I noticed is that the touchpad is unresponsive after returning from a suspend, I believe.
[07:06] <mr_steve> odd
[07:06] <Takyoji> Basically it's my friend and their family.
[07:07] <Takyoji> So far I have her laptop, her sister's, and now her stepfather's. And they all seem to use it by choice
[07:07] <Takyoji> All dual-boot XP and Ubuntu
[07:08] <mr_steve> Nice. I put my mom on Ubuntu a couple years ago now after the Nth time her XP install got hosed by a virus
[07:08] <mr_steve> She's been happily using it ever since
[07:08] <Takyoji> It would be nice if I could get something for a ink meter for the printer; and I've tried Inkblot to no avail.
[07:09] <Takyoji> For a Canon i960
[07:09] <mr_steve> Ah yeah, I only know about HP printers on linux
[07:09] <Takyoji> And for choosing the driver, I actually have to choose a different printer (same brand) that has similar properties.
[07:09] <Takyoji> I really need to install a CRM for keeping record of what hardware everyone has
[07:10] <Takyoji> or write one
[07:11] <Takyoji> I'd also die to learn things like reverse engineering drivers (which I presume is probably like 5x the difficulty of writing one, xP)
[07:11] <Takyoji> I wonder when the open source Broadcom drivers will be shipped with Ubuntu.. next release perhaps?
[07:12] <mr_steve> Well, for something like getting status info from a USB printer, it might not be too terribly difficult... provided you can get your hands on a USB protocol analyzer
[07:12] <mr_steve> I'm still holding my breath for decent RTL8319 wireless drivers
[07:12] <Takyoji> and it's so nice having a spare USB wireless adapter
[07:13] <Takyoji> otherwise I would have had to go into the basement and plug in the laptop via Ethernet to update it, and to get the proprietary drivers
[07:13] <mr_steve> Yep, I love having a spare USB dongle
[07:13] <Takyoji> "USB protocol analyzer"; Wireshark has USB support, yus?
[07:13] <mr_steve> I dunno. I think you need some hardware
[07:14] <mr_steve> There's a tutorial floating around, from ladyada I think, demonstrating how to reverse enginner the Kinect's USB protocol
[07:15] <Takyoji> I guess I just had a random idea..
[07:15] <Takyoji> I could perhaps have a closed-gate XMPP server, or perhaps IRC server, for having a way for clients to easily contact me in realtime rather than email
[07:16] <Takyoji> Yea, I think I can do USB captures in Wireshark
[07:16] <Takyoji> usbmon1 and usbmon2 as sources
[07:16] <mr_steve> oh yeah, I think I was making it more complicated than it needs to be
[07:16] <Takyoji> Heh, I can tell my mouse is on usbmon2
[07:17] <mr_steve> if the device is *supposed* to be communicating with the computer, should be no problem to monitor the communication
[07:17] <mr_steve> The Kinect example needed hardware, because it was communication between the Kinect and an Xbox that needed to be monitored
[07:18] <Takyoji> ahh; since the Xbox was the only thing that natively supported the hardware
[07:18] <Takyoji> to be able to see natural communication
[07:18] <mr_steve> Right
[07:19] <mr_steve> Though for something like a USB printer, I imagine you'd have to find a way to capture the USB traffic within Windows, while its native driver was querying the ink levels or whatever
[07:19] <Takyoji> Regardless, I'm curious of what protocol over USB that printers use.
[07:19] <Takyoji> yea
[07:24] <mr_steve> heh I'm blabbing away on IRC to avoid getting back to my coding.  :P
[07:27] <Takyoji> But yes, trees are rather annoying.
[07:27] <mr_steve> so far all the PyGTK code I've ever written around treeviews and liststores has just been ugly. Treestores have been downright Cthulic
[07:29] <tonyyarusso> speaking of python......
[07:30] <tonyyarusso> A/B = 13.0041714961
[07:30] <tonyyarusso> A//B = 13.0
[07:30] <tonyyarusso> A%B = 0.123186733333
[07:30] <tonyyarusso> WHY?
[07:31] <Takyoji> And I thought PHP had more hatred. :P
[07:31] <tonyyarusso> I like the language - I don't like when I don't understand what I'm doing.
[07:31] <tonyyarusso> Shouldn't A%B = 0.0041714961?
[07:31] <mr_steve> I've got no idea there
[07:32] <mr_steve> that is pretty odd
[07:32] <Takyoji> I got a kick out of this when I saw it on the tele http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEQCMPLatwA
[07:33] <Takyoji> Also, any consideration for also doing a little OpenNIC advocacy as well with our endeavours? :P
[08:16]  * Takyoji stabs at the dead discussion with a pitchfork
[20:19] <tonyyarusso> Well, mr_steve will be pleased to hear that the forecast for accumulation in the metro came back down a bit, shifting the maximum a little to the southeast.
[21:13] <mr_steve> well that's good
[21:14] <mr_steve> I've been shoveling a path through 3 inches of snow every couple hours, and the smaller cars on my street are beginning to disappear
[21:27] <mr_steve> ah it got worse
[21:27] <mr_steve> And I just a dude skiing...
[21:49] <tonyyarusso> [fill in: verb]
[21:57] <mr_steve> heh I accidentally a word
[21:57] <mr_steve> I saw a dude skiing
[23:05] <Takyoji> So apparently my mother was originally intending on having a get together at our house today with relatives (planned like weeks in advance) and some folks in the country are apparently without power and transit, thus we figured we'd just have folks in-town come instead; but even then, nobody is still able to get out. xP
[23:05] <Takyoji> Apparently one group tried driving out of their driveway and got stuck right in the middle of the road. xP
[23:06] <Takyoji> Thus we may even walk over there (perhaps devise some form of snowshoes) and dig them out


[18:33] <Brainstorm> Updates for Bangladesh: +2436 cases (now 826922), +47 deaths (now 13118) since a day ago


[00:00] <Santiclause> or is that just a restriction for gparted
[00:00] <tsimpson> does the windows disk manager let you change the partition scheme on the running disk?
[00:00] <Santiclause> assuming those words mean what I think they mean, yes
[00:01] <Santiclause> by which I mean that I think those words mean the following: you can add/remove/change partitions
[00:01] <tsimpson> even the system partition?
[00:02] <Santiclause> the system partition being the partition containing the OS/MBR/etc?
[00:02] <tsimpson> if it does, then I'm guessing it does some voodoo and works around it
[00:02] <Santiclause> no, it can't change that
[00:02] <Santiclause> but that's not what I'm trying to change
[00:02] <Santiclause> I'm trying to change some 12 gb "recovery partition"
[00:02] <Santiclause> not the 100 mb one added by windows 7, I think this is a 3rd party oem partition
[00:03] <Santiclause> alright, gparted is downloaded, let's see if I can mount it with daemon tools and see what's what
[00:04] <tsimpson> well changing the partition table on a disk that's in use is generally not a good thing
[00:04] <Santiclause> oh well :|
[00:04] <tsimpson> there's always wubi if you can't fiddle with the partition scheme
[00:04] <Santiclause> I don't want to do that
[00:04] <Santiclause> I want an honest-to-goodness install
[00:05] <Santiclause> oh, this gparted thing is something I have to boot in to
[00:06] <Santiclause> argh this is frustrating
[00:06] <tsimpson> if the disk manager won't let you remove the "recovery" partition, there's not much choice until you get external bootable storage
[00:06] <Santiclause> at this point I'm just trying to access the recovery partition to see what's in it
[00:06] <tsimpson> though, I will say that I have no experience with the net-boot option, so maybe there are ways around it
[00:07] <Santiclause> hmmm
[00:07] <Santiclause> I do have an external USB hard drive
[00:07] <datruth> if I remove modem-manager will I be able to connect to the internet?
[00:07] <Santiclause> hmmmmm
[00:08] <Santiclause> can I partition the external drive and make a bootable partition on it and boot gparted using that?
[00:11] <tsimpson> Santiclause: you should be able to using this tool http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/
[00:11] <tsimpson> it says it supports GParted, so that should  work
[00:39] <Santiclause> alright, I set up a bootable 20 gb partition on the external, and put gparted on it
[00:39] <Santiclause> here's hoping shit works :|
[01:02] <Santiclause> auhgghghg
[01:02] <Santiclause> this is getting frustrating >:|
[01:03] <Santiclause> I took a screenshot of what gparted was showing me
[01:03] <Santiclause> http://i.imgur.com/b5TJv.jpg
[01:03] <Santiclause> I mounted the first two to confirm that they were actually my C:\ and D:\ drives (they were) - so, it looks like, I dunno
[01:04] <Santiclause> I don't fukken know
[01:04] <Santiclause> the partition sizes are fucked up or something
[01:04] <IdleOne> Santiclause: please don't swear
[01:06] <Santiclause> at this point I feel like just giving up and installing kubuntu on my external instead, and leaving my laptop's internal pristine and linux-free. :|
[01:55] <Santiclause> so
[01:55] <Santiclause> I just ran testdisk
[01:56] <Santiclause> and it's the first ray of sunshine I done seen't
[01:56] <Santiclause> http://pastebin.com/2QVsEXW7 is the log file for it
[01:56] <Santiclause> it analyzed it and what came out looked like what it's supposed to look like, but I didn't know what to do after that - I was scared to hit "write" in case it just effed up my hard drive's partitions
[04:13] <phunyguy> Is it possible to automount a network share at logon, without mounting it for all users? (read: without using /etc/fstab)
[04:43] <phunyguy> nevermind.  Just found smb4k again (which didn't for for me several years ago). Works like a champ now!
[05:07] <scarecrow> unable to install to USB on Gateway nv53 laptop. installer crashes. this time it crashed during installation of the language packs. i have tried using CDs, DVDs and different USBs as the installation source. i have tried installing to different USBs as the destinations. I have even tried running the install on a different laptop that has already successfully performed this install method before.
[05:07] <scarecrow> any ideas?
[05:08] <scarecrow> i have tried different ISOs as well as different distrobutions all together
[05:54] <manhhai> hello
[05:55] <scarecrow> hiya
[08:42] <CrowX-> hi
[08:42] <CrowX-> does kubuntu have aptitude installed by default?
[08:43] <CrowX-> and if not, would just apt-get install aptitude make it "just work"?
[08:43] <tsimpson> CrowX-: not by default, but yes, you can just apt-get it and it works
[08:51] <CrowX-> tsimpson, thanks
[10:13] <contrast> Greets, everyone. Anyone know whether it's possible to automatically run a command whenever Plasma crashes? I'm trying to implement an automated workaround for the bug which causes the system tray to fill up with empty entries.
[10:22] <CrowX-> is there a way to become a root in kubuntu without writing sudo before every command?
[10:22] <CrowX-> like simply writing "su"
[10:23] <CrowX-> in other distros
[10:30] <tsimpson> CrowX-: sudo -i
[10:51] <Mitchell92> Hey... anyone able to help me with tethering my laptop with my blackberry via bluetooth? Ican't seem to find the place in the network settings where it would list a bluetooth DUN connection.
[12:03] <BluesKaj> Hey All
[12:17] <monkeyjuice> morning BluesKaj
[12:19] <BluesKaj> 'morning monkeyjuice
[12:20] <monkeyjuice> need a good walk thru on dual booting , the partitions in windows seems to be giving  people a hard time ...
[12:22] <faLUCE> ++
[12:24] <BluesKaj> monkeyjuice, one thing to remember , windows always looks for /dev/sda first upon installation
[12:25] <monkeyjuice> well its the 4 partitions that windows uses that kills the install , and its hard to partition one for linux
[12:25] <monkeyjuice> very confusing for new users
[12:26] <monkeyjuice> i guess there are just to many options ,,
[12:28] <BluesKaj> best to create the windows partition as the first one , and make sure the rest of the disk is partitioned to ext for linux previous to the windows install
[12:28] <monkeyjuice> well its the systems that have windows preinstalled that are the problem, they come with 4 partitions ,
[12:29] <monkeyjuice> thats why we need a good walkthru on partitioning the open partition for linux to use
[12:30] <monkeyjuice> ive not found one yet
[12:36] <BluesKaj> monkeyjuice, 4 primaries ?
[12:37] <monkeyjuice> ya thats what im seeing , have to get an open partition
[12:39] <Taggnostr2> hello
[12:39] <Taggnostr2> my pc is having some problem: http://dpaste.com/798162/
[12:43] <monkeyjuice> how old is your  pc?  hd
[12:43] <monkeyjuice> Taggnostr2: ^
[12:44] <Taggnostr2> the pc is 5-7 years old, the hd too probably
[12:44] <Taggnostr2> I was having random freezes (with blinking leds on the keyboard) in the past days
[12:45] <Taggnostr2> now it looks like it didn't freeze but everything is segfaulting from the terminal (firefox and kate still work though)
[12:45] <monkeyjuice> could be hd failiing, could be buggy program, what destro you using
[12:46] <Taggnostr2> kubuntu 12.04
[12:47] <Taggnostr2> I had random freezes for a while, but they weren't really common in the past
[12:47] <Taggnostr2> fwiw I don't have much free space on the hd, not sure if that's related
[12:47] <monkeyjuice> that could be part of it too
[12:49] <monkeyjuice> it just cant find the part of the  program it needs to run. what ever that is ..
[12:52] <Taggnostr2> monkeyjuice, is there anything I can do about it? try to free some space on the disk? any log I could check for error messages?
[12:55] <monkeyjuice> could look in ksystemlog see if there is anything
[12:55] <monkeyjuice> not sure if it will show errors but ..
[12:56] <Taggnostr2> ok, let's see if the pc starts again first
[12:56] <Taggnostr2> now I killed X and the screen is just messed up and frozen
[13:00] <Taggnostr2> monkeyjuice, there are a few errors like "NVRM: os_pci_init_handle: invalid context!"
[13:01] <Taggnostr2> and "NVRM: os_map_kernel_space: can't map 0xd8000000, invalid context!"
[13:05] <BluesKaj> Taggnostr2 , check system settings>partition manager to see how much space you are using on your partitions , or do , df -h in the termianl
[13:05] <BluesKaj> err terminal
[13:06] <Taggnostr2> BluesKaj, both /dev/sda1 and sdb1 show 100%, with 600/700MB free (the disks are 110GB each)
[13:07] <BluesKaj> that's not much free space but it shouldn't be causing errors , Taggnostr2
[13:10] <BluesKaj> monkeyjuice, do you have a HP Tolols parition ? if so many users just delete it with gparted to make room for an ext priimary on another part of the disk
[13:10] <BluesKaj> HP tools
[13:13] <BluesKaj> monkeyjuice, I'm quoting here :"One thing that is not well publicised is that Windows 7 and I believe vista does not need to be on a primary partition. as long as the boot partition is on a primary partition the OS can sit on a logical disk on an extended partiton."
[13:13] <BluesKaj> http://www.sevenforums.com/general-discussion/41178-too-many-primary-partitions.html , monkeyjuice
[13:38] <Taggnostr> now I got this error: "ata3.00: device reported invalid CHS sector 0"
[13:41] <Taggnostr2> another error while trying to open dolphin about the plasma desktop
[13:43] <Taggnostr2> and when I open the menu most of the icons are missing
[13:44] <Taggnostr2> tried again to open dolphin, now the mouse is frozen and dolphin is half-loaded with "the process for the file protocol died unexpectedly" on the status bar
[13:45] <Taggnostr2> the clock in the application bar is still running though, but the mouse is frozen and the leds on the keyboard don't change if I hit e.g. caps lock
[14:01] <BluesKaj> Taggnostr2, do you have separate / and /home partitions ?
[14:06] <Taggnostr2> BluesKaj, looks like I don't
[14:06] <BluesKaj> I think you need more room
[14:07] <Taggnostr2> I can free space if necessary, but I think I'll try a memtest first
[14:16] <contrast> Anyone know of a way to monitor the plasma-desktop process and automatically run a command after it crashes/restarts?
[14:18] <natman> hi, anyone been using Telepathy for IM, how does it compare to Kopete? worth getting?
[14:22] <BluesKaj> !IM
[14:22] <contrast> natman: From the little bit that I've used it, it seems at least as good as Kopete, so long as you don't need Skype integration (which only Kopete has).
[14:22] <BluesKaj> !telepathy
[14:22] <BluesKaj> !info telepathy
[14:23] <contrast> !info kde-telepathy
[14:23] <contrast> hrmm
[14:24] <natman> contrast: ubottu whats all that about installing it and not in precise?
[14:25] <BluesKaj> there isn't a lot of discussion about IMs these days , so it's difficult to know
[14:26] <BluesKaj> natman, there's a kde version for kubuntu , it's native to gnome/ubuntu
[14:26] <contrast> Facebook more or less killed the traditional instant messaging paradigm.
[14:26] <jake__> Hi, I'm using Kubuntu 12.10b1, and when I try to launch KTimeTracker I get the error "Could not create the KTimeTracker part."
[14:27] <natman> BluesKaj: thanks, about to install 12.04.1 hopefully will get it soon
[14:27] <BluesKaj> paradigm ...heh
[14:27] <natman> contrast: Facebook killed IM ??? eek hope not, and im not on facebook
[14:29] <contrast> natman: I was just referring to how 90% of people seem to have stopped using instant messaging programs and just use Facebook chat instead.
[14:31] <spawn57> or whatsapp
[14:31] <natman> contrast:  honestly had not noticed. Pity really hate everyone thinking Facebook is the only way to do everything - was on it for a while, everytime i met a friend i had nothing to talk about since i seen their updates. Just got sick of it.
[14:33] <contrast> Anyone know where to find the stand-alone source for the KRunner dictionary plug-in (https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdeplasma-addons/repository/revisions/master/show/runners/dictionary)? Having trouble locating it since it was merged into kdeplasma-addons.
[14:37] <datruth> if I remove modem-manager will I be able to connect to the internet?
[14:39] <BluesKaj> datruth, are you running without network manager , if so modem manager is unnecessary
[14:47] <kbroulik> datruth: modem manager is for connecting to moble broadband devices (such as 3G surfstick), NM should run without it although I dont know if MM is a dependency, but I think it is not
[14:48] <kbroulik> it has nothing to do with your generic ethernet or wifi connections
[14:48] <datruth> ok I'll try to remove it then
[14:48] <datruth> thats for 3g and 4g cards?
[14:48] <kbroulik> are you running out of space or is it causing trouble or why are you willing to remove it in the first place?
[14:48] <datruth> rather than removing it could I just diable it?
[14:48] <datruth> kbroulik: slowing down my boot time
[14:49] <kbroulik> hm just saw that MM is a dependency of NM
[14:49] <datruth> ;/
[14:49] <datruth> Does modprobe need to run everytime at boot-time?
[14:52] <kbroulik> datruth: you could try renaming the /etc/init/modemmanager.conf
[14:53] <kbroulik> to modemmanager.con_ or so, that should disable it but I dont know the side effects :)
[14:53] <datruth> hrmm
[14:53] <datruth> Anyway to stop fsck from running everytime on boot?
[14:56] <kbroulik> datruth: /etc/fstab the last digit (usually 1 on your / partition) controls fsck, change it to 0 to prevent fsck from running there on startup
[14:56] <kbroulik> but those are really things you wouldnt want to do :) http://www.amazon.de/Samsung-MZ-7PC064B-WW-256MB-6-0Gbps/dp/B007BBQPBO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1347116096&sr=8-1 buy this instead ;)
[15:14] <z1lt0id> Out of curiosity does anyone have issues with x not starting automatically when installing nvidia drivers on 12.10?
[15:15] <BluesKaj> z1lt0id, only if you didn't reboot
[15:16] <z1lt0id> BluesKaj: Interesting after I rebooted the second time with the drivers installed I always had to type startx.
[15:16] <z1lt0id> i also had issues with it detecting i had a proprietary card
[15:16] <z1lt0id> my fault for having a new nvidia card
[15:17] <BluesKaj> z1lt0id, what kind of driver , from nvidia's site or the nividia-current from the kernel source ?
[15:18] <z1lt0id> BluesKaj, the nvidia-current driver.  The card is a GTX 670.
[15:19] <BluesKaj> z1lt0id, then it may not be the driver itself , did you run sudo nviidia-xconfig
[15:20] <z1lt0id> that i did not
[15:20] <z1lt0id> that could resolve the issue.
[15:20] <z1lt0id> either way i think i'll wait for beta 2 before doing the next upgrade :)
[15:21] <z1lt0id> but thanks for that, i did not think of doing the nvidia-xconfig
[15:23] <BluesKaj> z1lt0id, also it could be your DM ...if you're running lightdm then you may be have a problem ...i did
[15:26] <DarthFrog> Is lightdm still the default in 12.10?
[15:26] <BluesKaj> DarthFrog, yes
[15:27] <BluesKaj> it's fixed in 12.10 now , at least on my setup
[15:27] <DarthFrog> Hmm, seems strange to me.  KDM is the natural DM for Kubuntu, I would think.
[15:28] <datruth> kbroulik: YOU ARE THE MAN!!! thank you
[15:28] <BluesKaj> yeah , I reinstalled kdm while lightdm was broken
[15:29] <datruth> hrmm there is 12.10?
[15:29]  * datruth googles
[15:29] <z1lt0id> that is it
[15:29] <BluesKaj> datruth, I'm running 12.10
[15:29] <kbroulik> datruth: beta 1
[15:29] <z1lt0id> BluesKaj: sorry lightdm gets broken after the nvidia drivers are installed
[15:29] <datruth> oh its beta
[15:29] <z1lt0id> that is what happened with me
[15:29] <kbroulik> hail to the beta software shippers in kubuntu! …
[15:30] <kbroulik> *cough* lightdm *cough* telepathy kde *cough* rekonq in natty *cough* …
[15:30] <BluesKaj> z1lt0id, are you logging in with the TTY ?
[15:30] <z1lt0id> correct
[15:30] <kbroulik> (I was really surprised to find telepathy kde being updated to 0.5, I thought it was in 0.4.1 and then left this way - would not have surpsied me)
[15:30] <z1lt0id> BluesKaj: i have to put my user/pass in the console
[15:31] <z1lt0id> BluesKaj: once accepted then I type startx
[15:31] <BluesKaj> yes , I've had to dothat for a few weeks now on 12.10, z1lt0id
[15:31] <z1lt0id> BluesKaj:  Is the bug still there at this point in time -- or has it since been resolved?
[15:32] <BluesKaj> I kept hoping lightdm was going to be fixed , and it seems to be now , but I don't know if the fix works fore 12.04
[15:32] <datruth> BluesKaj: is 12.10 stable?
[15:33] <z1lt0id> BluesKaj: If it is fixed, I am more than happy to try the upgrade path from within 12.04.  Should have too much difficulting updating itself.
[15:34] <BluesKaj> datruth, at the moment it is ,... but I keep a 12.04 install on a separate partition ...12.10 is strictly for testing
[15:34] <datruth> hmm
[15:35] <z1lt0id> BluesKaj: Realistically I should just wait one week before official release and then install :)
[15:36] <BluesKaj> z1lt0id, if you want more stability , then wait til  a week or 2 after it's release
[15:36] <BluesKaj> !schedule
[15:36] <z1lt0id> BluesKaj, true -- but i'm impatient ;)
[15:37] <z1lt0id> Thanks to Ubuntu release schedules I also get the newest release a few days around my birthday in October.  haha
[15:37] <BluesKaj> :)
[15:39] <lee_> hi all
[15:39] <z1lt0id> i've just spent a grueling week trying to figure out a weird kernel that shows my solid state hard drive reading out bad crc errors.  But after some hunting down the hard drive is fine.  It is just an issue with current gen ssd drives and the latest kernel releases.  For a moment there I was worried I needed to buy a new hdd. Haha
[15:42] <BluesKaj> well, my position is that a "production machine " , used in the workplace should always stick to the latest "Official Release" , due the instability and unpredictability of alpha and beta OSs , and most support ppl will say the same thing
[15:43] <z1lt0id> BluesKaj,  Oh definitely.  This bug was with every distro I tried due to a kernel bug which surprisingly found a solution in launchpad out of everywhere.
[15:45] <BluesKaj> too bad so many bugs reported to launchpad are filed away as dupes and don't get looked at even tho technically they aren't dupes at all
[15:45] <BluesKaj> kmail and kontact and kate segfaults for example
[15:45] <z1lt0id> i've noticed that
[15:46] <z1lt0id> i don't use kmail and kontact much though
[15:48] <BluesKaj> I received 5 dupe notices everyday for months til I unsubscribed from the reports ...it was annoying
[16:12] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[16:23] <BluesKaj> hmm the repos are having either a lot of traffic or there's something wrong with dependencies here
[16:26] <BluesKaj> stuck at 8% waiting for headers , for the last 10 mins
[16:26] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: are you updating to 12.10 beta 1?
[16:26] <BluesKaj> already have
[16:27] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: what does downloading have to do with dependency?
[16:28] <BluesKaj> the depenceies are part of the download . and if they aren't found then the download stalls
[16:28] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: no it wont
[16:28] <BluesKaj> err dependencies
[16:29] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: it will display an error
[16:29] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: did you try a different server?
[16:29] <BluesKaj> ok , well it won't install...there's not much diff erenc e IMO
[16:29] <BluesKaj> the effect is the same
[16:29] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: what are you installing?
[16:30] <BluesKaj> headers for the new kernel
[16:30] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: using main server or a local one?
[16:31] <BluesKaj> it's moving but it's very slow ... my mirrors are topnotch , no need to change them
[16:33] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: are you installing from muon or terminal. can you see the download speed?
[16:35] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: where you able to upgrade to 12.10 beta from 12.10 alpha?
[16:35] <BluesKaj> can't see the DL speed when it's waiting for headers , just gives a percentage applied
[16:35] <SIR_Taco> BluesKaj: I get a hash sum mismatch at the moment
[16:37] <BluesKaj> I was using apt-fast but I think I'll stop using it ..had some failures that had to be corrected with apt-get
[16:38] <BluesKaj> Err http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com quantal/multiverse Translation-en_CA
[16:38] <BluesKaj>   Bad header line [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[16:39] <SIR_Taco> there is a bad storm moving by here in Ontario... maybe university of waterloo is down?
[16:39] <phoenix_firebrd> ya, try a different server
[16:39] <BluesKaj> looks like it might be , SIR_Taco , that's my main server
[16:42] <SIR_Taco> thunderstorms with 90km/h winds... possibility of tornadoes, fun times
[16:43] <SIR_Taco> "Emergency management Ontario recommends taking cover immediately when threatening weather approaches." haha
[16:48] <BluesKaj> I'm north of you guys by some 300km so it's just cloudy here
[16:48] <BluesKaj> SIR_Taco,
[16:50] <Santiclause> Anybody around who knows things about disk partitions 'n stuff?
[16:56] <DarthFrog> !ask | Santiclause
[17:03] <Santiclause> I asked cause some fellow was helping me earlier, but, sure
[17:03] <BluesKaj> "Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ca.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_quantal_universe_i18n_Translation-en, E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened". Definitely a broken header blocking the upgrade
[17:04] <Santiclause> Trying to install kubuntu with unetbootin, and there's something fiddly with the partitions on my laptop.
[17:04] <Santiclause> http://imgur.com/a/4Uxaa
[17:04] <Santiclause> in the top you can see the (significantly more correct) partitions that the Windows disk management reports
[17:05] <Santiclause> and on the bottom is the screenshot of gparted thinks is the partitions
[17:05] <Santiclause> of what gparted*
[17:05] <Santiclause> I mounted /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2 to see what they were, and they were in fact my C:\ and D:\ drives, so the labels are right but the sizes are super duper wrong
[17:06] <Santiclause> and it even looks like gparted is reporting a fifth partition of size 992.50 KiB
[17:09] <SIR_Taco> Santiclause: did you start the installation process and close it and/or it crashed?
[17:10] <Santiclause> I closed the installation process for kubuntu, because it was also showing those fiddly partitions
[17:10] <Santiclause> i.e I didn't start it
[17:11] <Santiclause> the last thing I did last night before I gave up was I ran testdisk
[17:11] <Santiclause> I had a screenshot of that but it didn't save properly
[17:11] <Santiclause> but I do have the logs
[17:11] <Santiclause> http://pastebin.com/2QVsEXW7
[17:12] <Santiclause> I didn't want to write anything in case it messed with the partition table unrecoverably, but it looks like it was able to find out how things are supposed to be
[17:12] <Santiclause> but I'm not sure what to do with it at that point
[17:12] <SIR_Taco> this is a laptop?
[17:15] <SIR_Taco> if I were to bet: sda2 = system recovery, sda3 = recovery program/boot loader, sda4 = your regular windows partition. Not sure about sda1, seems small and odd
[17:15] <Santiclause> uh
[17:15] <Santiclause> you mean the one that gparted is reporting?
[17:15] <Santiclause> no
[17:15] <Santiclause> the gparted reports are just wrong
[17:15] <Santiclause> because I mounted sda1 and sda2
[17:16] <DarthFrog> Try cfdisk, from the command line.
[17:16] <Santiclause> and they correspond to both my windows partitions
[17:16] <Santiclause> will cfdisk see the same things as fdisk?
[17:17] <Santiclause> because sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda showed the same things as gparted
[17:17] <Santiclause> I think the best bet to fixing it is testdisk since it showed all the proper information, but I don't know what to do with testdisk :@
[17:18] <Santiclause> I don't know which one to set as bootable, etc
[17:22] <DarthFrog> cfdisk is stricter than fdisk.
[17:24] <SIR_Taco> Santiclause: do you have a UEFI system?
[17:27] <SIR_Taco> everything I can find about Gparted/Gdisk etc. displaying wrong partition info is related to UEFI (windows disk manager reads the GPT, while Gparted reads the MBR, which is out of date)
[17:31] <contrast> Just recently, whenever I set a window to show on all Activities, it also shows on all desktops ("Different widgets for each desktop" is unchecked). Any idea what could be causing this?
[17:34] <Santiclause> it looks like it probably is uefi
[17:34] <Santiclause> http://superuser.com/questions/304004/how-to-know-if-my-bios-supports-uefi
[17:34] <Santiclause> there is an EFI folder in C:\Windows\Boot\, so
[17:41] <Santiclause> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-gpt/index.html
[17:41] <Santiclause> I'm reading through this
[17:41] <Santiclause> and it looks like I can try poking around with gdisk
[17:42] <Santiclause> ...or maybe I shouldn't :|
[17:42] <Santiclause> "GPT fdisk does so automatically when you launch it. Be aware, though, that this conversion renders a BIOS boot disk unbootable until the boot loader is re-installed."
[17:44] <SIR_Taco> Santiclause: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFIBooting
[17:44] <SIR_Taco> doesn't look like a lot of fun... to be honest
[17:46] <Santiclause> x_x
[17:46] <Santiclause> I really don't want to screw up my hard drive, so I think I'll just install kubuntu on to an external hard drive :|
[17:49] <DarthFrog> Santiclause: That's safest.  You can install it onto a USB thumbdrive.  Or put a second HD in your system.
[17:49] <Santiclause> I don't think a second HD would fit in my laptop
[17:49] <DarthFrog> Don't forget to do a backup of your current system before doing the install.
[17:49] <Santiclause> ehhhh? why?
[17:50] <Santiclause> I would be installing it to a different location
[17:50] <DarthFrog> Cuz then the universe will know there's no point in screwing you up. :-)
[17:50] <Santiclause> :||||||||||||||
[17:50] <DarthFrog> Don't forget, the universe is not only animistic, it's antagonistic. :-)
[17:50] <SIR_Taco> ;)
[17:51] <Santiclause> I'd rather not back up 200 gb of music over usb 2.0
[17:51] <Santiclause> :/
[17:51] <DarthFrog> And if you lose said 200 GB of music?
[17:52] <Santiclause> I have the majority of it on my desktop at home
[17:52] <Santiclause> just no access to that desktop until christmas
[17:53] <DarthFrog> Up to you, of course.
[17:54] <BluesKaj> your windows install might up to 4 partitions for recovery conputer/manufaturers tools , page file and the ntfs partition
[17:54] <Santiclause> yup
[17:54] <Santiclause> well
[17:55] <Santiclause> mine has the windows 7 recovery partition, and then a manufacturer recovery partition, then the windows 7 partition and finally a "data" partition
[17:55] <BluesKaj> computer/manufaturers tools
[17:55] <Santiclause> but I'm not sure if those are actually "primary partitions"
[17:55] <BluesKaj> can be deleted
[17:55] <Santiclause> you'd think that
[17:56] <Santiclause> but I can't delete it
[17:56] <Santiclause> :|
[17:56] <BluesKaj> yes they're primaries in most cases
[17:56] <BluesKaj> gparted live cd / mediacan
[17:59] <kensuaga> Please forgive me this is my first time here and fairly new to linux. My first question is how do i properly ask for help on an issue.
[17:59] <DarthFrog> kensuaga: Just ask.
[18:00] <DarthFrog> !ask | kensuaga
[18:02] <SIR_Taco> wow... I really haven't looked much into UEFI... what a pain in the butt
[18:02] <BluesKaj> the new replacement for the bios ,,,expected there would be problems
[18:07] <kensuaga> i have been messing around with a game called Coldest. I want to get the best visual quality out of the game so i maxed out the all the settings and after the the game will not start. this is the error i get. # restartgl must be included to initialize OpenGL
[18:07] <kensuaga> restartgl
[18:07] <kensuaga> SDL Initialized
[18:07] <kensuaga> Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual
[18:07] <FloodBotK1> kensuaga: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:09] <DarthFrog> kensuaga:  From the command line, what is the result of this command?  "glxinfo | grep endering"
[18:11] <kensuaga> direct rendering: Yes : GL_NV_path_rendering, GL_NV_pixel_data_range, GL_NV_point_sprite,
[18:15] <DarthFrog> Hmm.
[18:15] <SIR_Taco> kensuaga: is it possible you set the resolution to a mode not supported by your video card and/or monitor?
[18:16] <kensuaga> i think it was the AA or AF
[18:16] <kensuaga> i can not get back into the game to bring it down
[18:17] <DarthFrog> kensuaga: Well, the game must have a config file.  You could try renaming that, so the game can't load it and start over.
[18:18] <kensuaga> i have delete the game and even redownloaded it, but it seems like the setting never go back to defualt
[18:18] <DarthFrog> That's cuz the same config file is present.
[18:18] <SIR_Taco> kensuaga: is there a '.coldest' or something along those lines in your home directory?
[18:19] <DarthFrog> Look for a .coldestrc or something similar.
[18:19] <DarthFrog> BTW, the "rc" at the end of a file name usually means "run control".
[18:20] <DarthFrog> If you simply delete that file, you'll start afresh.
[18:21] <kensuaga> ahhhhhh hidden files and folders
[18:22] <DarthFrog> kensuaga:  ls -la .col*
[18:23] <kensuaga> that fixed it! thank you
[18:23] <DarthFrog> Glad to hear it.
[18:25] <Santiclause> hum
[18:26] <Santiclause> so, I just used universal usb installer on a 50 gb partition of the external hard drive, and I can run that fine
[18:26] <Santiclause> but it looks like it's not really "installed" on to my external hard drive?
[18:26] <Santiclause> should I use unetbootin on my desktop to install on to that 50gb partition?
[18:33] <DarthFrog> !unetbootin
[20:00] <santiclause> so, I tried to install kubuntu on to my external hard drive, and it froze at "93% - Copying installation logs"
[20:02] <Santiclause> I'm currently in the live cd with unetbootin - how do I install on to the external drive without the "Install Kubuntu 12.04.1 LTS" thing? I want to be able to access a terminal while it installs
[20:02] <Santiclause> to see what's going wrong, etc
[20:11] <Santiclause> Well, I guess I'll just try installing once more.
[20:17] <SIR_Taco> Santiclause: it seems you could mount the installation CD via VirtualBox, and install it directly to the usb drive while in windows: http://mintarticles.com/read/operating-systems-articles/how-to-install-portable-linux-ubuntu-on-a-bootable-usb-flash-drive-from-sun-virtualbox,13641/
[20:17] <SIR_Taco> CD iso I meant
[20:50] <Santiclause> sigh
[20:51] <Santiclause> at least I found out that there's a minimize
[20:51] <Santiclause> so I'm still logged in to the live kubuntu
[20:51] <Santiclause> but it's stuck at the same thing again - 93%, copying installation logs
[20:51] <Santiclause> :|
[20:53] <Santiclause> yikes
[20:53] <Santiclause> I just used top, and ubiquity is at 100% cpu
[20:54] <Santiclause> what the hell is it doing >:|
[21:26] <Santiclause> alright, well
[21:26] <Santiclause> I just set the partition to be bootable, even though the installation didn't "technically" finish, hope that lets me use it :|
[21:55] <Deet`> !wifi
[21:59] <designbybeck> greetings, i decided to get in kde today... been awhile. how do I check to see if I have the latest distro? and how do i upgrade it if not?
[22:00] <Deet`> designbybeck http://www.kubuntu.org/news/12.04-release check the topic yo
[22:01] <designbybeck> Deet`:  via command line?
[22:01] <Deet`> sudo apt-get update
[22:01] <designbybeck> hmm ok i did that
[22:01] <designbybeck> didn't think that upgraded the  distro too
[22:02] <monkeyjuice> lsb_release -a
[22:03] <designbybeck> that's it! thanks monkeyjuice i can ever remember that one
[22:03] <designbybeck> and it looks like i am on 11.10
[22:04] <monkeyjuice> not a fan of upgrades   like fresh install better
[22:04] <monkeyjuice> but you can get to 12.04
[22:04] <Santiclause> aggggggggghhh I'm about to throw this thing against a goddamned wall
[22:04] <designbybeck> this is on  my netbook, i just play with distros, so i don't care doing updates
[22:04] <Santiclause> I can't even install on to the external hard drive because it keeps freezing at "copying installation logs" and I have no freaking idea how to fix it :|||||||
[22:04] <designbybeck> monkeyjuice: is there a way to do it from the commandline?
[22:05] <designbybeck> i was thinking sudo apt-get dist-upgrade would do it
[22:05] <designbybeck> but didn't
[22:05] <monkeyjuice> do apt-get update and upgrade first
[22:05] <designbybeck> i did try that, but let me do it again
[22:06] <monkeyjuice> just so your up to date with 11.10
[22:06] <monkeyjuice> then upgrade
[22:06] <designbybeck> which way to upgrade in kubuntu?
[22:06] <designbybeck> my software sources show all releases instead of just LTS
[22:08] <monkeyjuice> http://askubuntu.com/questions/136148/upgrade-from-11-10-to-12-04-no-upgrade-option-available-in-update-manager designbybeck
[22:08] <monkeyjuice> Santiclause:  sorry your having so much trouble
[22:09] <Santiclause> I don't even understand why I'm having so much trouble
[22:09] <Santiclause> it hates me ;_;
[22:09] <thechef> Hi
[22:09] <monkeyjuice> na its that dang window 7 ;)
[22:09] <monkeyjuice> hello thechef
[22:09] <monkeyjuice> you added a hd Santiclause
[22:09] <monkeyjuice> ?
[22:09] <Santiclause> windows 7 shouldn't be interfering with my ability to install on to the external drive
[22:10] <monkeyjuice> usb?
[22:10] <Santiclause> I'm doing it from a live boot kubuntu
[22:10] <Santiclause> on to a usb external
[22:10] <Santiclause> yeah
[22:10] <monkeyjuice> ah usb kind of buggy i think
[22:10] <Santiclause> but ubiquity was freezing every time it got to "copying installation logs"
[22:10] <monkeyjuice> laptop?
[22:10] <Santiclause> yeah
[22:10] <Santiclause> I mean
[22:10] <Santiclause> everything else is on the drive at that point
[22:10] <monkeyjuice> afk brb
[22:11] <Santiclause> is there anything else that happens after "copying installation logs"? could I try to somehow simulate completing the installation?
[22:11] <Santiclause> I tried to make the partition bootable but that didn't work
[22:12] <monkeyjuice> sorry im eating ;)
[22:12] <designbybeck> that got the ball rollin' thank you monkeyjuice
[22:13] <thechef> uff.. finally this hassle is over. I know what Distro I'm going to use after Ubuntu 10.04 reachs end of life. This one :-) I evaluated mint, cinnamon, gnome3, xfce - Performance is now really good, compared to the young KDE4 days, wow and seems to beat all other desktops according to Phoronix and my personal experience.
[22:16] <thechef> ah of course I evaluated Unity, but it was not really evaluation - It was rather endless bug reporting about the Dash and how you can make yourself coffee between pressing the super-key and seeing the dash appear..
[22:18] <monkeyjuice> ok 2 hotdogs and cold beer ready to go ;)
[22:20] <monkeyjuice> Santiclause:  you still there?
[22:21] <Deet`> ok, here's my delimma. installed some form of Ubuntu, forgot which one, but i'm stuck with no gui, command line only and i need to get my wifi card connected so i can update and try to fix the gfx driver. how exactly can i get the wifi running through command line?
[22:21] <Deet`> i also have no ethernet, physically broken
[22:21] <Santiclause> I'm here, yeah
[22:22] <monkeyjuice> Deet`:  live cd
[22:22] <monkeyjuice> Santiclause:  you gave up trying to load to your main hard drive?
[22:22] <Deet`> on a mac, no live CD
[22:22] <monkeyjuice> mac im not your man sorry
[22:22] <Santiclause> oh yeah I gave up on that
[22:23] <Santiclause> because I just didn't want to screw up my drive
[22:23] <monkeyjuice> hmmm your doing it the hard way Santiclause ;) but we can look
[22:23] <Deet`> the hardware isn't the issue, i just need command line commands to connect to my wifi
[22:23] <Santiclause> because it looks like there's some problem with GPT vs MBR
[22:23] <monkeyjuice> im thinking the usb is the problem
[22:23] <Deet`> the usb card is already recognized by lsusb
[22:23] <Santiclause> do you know the sequence of things that ubiquity does after "copying installation logs"?
[22:24] <monkeyjuice> no
[22:24] <Santiclause> because I could just kill ubiquity once it gets to that point, and do the rest manually
[22:24] <Santiclause> welp :|
[22:24] <Santiclause> I mean alternately I could try to get it on the hard drive, but I'm kind of scared
[22:24] <monkeyjuice> Santiclause:  you might want to ask ok #ubuntu they are more active
[22:24] <Santiclause> I ran testdisk on the gparted that I was running from the usb external, and this is hte log from that
[22:24] <Santiclause> http://pastebin.com/2QVsEXW7
[22:25] <Santiclause> and after doing the "analyze" bit, it looks like it found what the partitions are supposed to look like
[22:25] <monkeyjuice> looking
[22:25] <Santiclause> but I didn't know what to do at that point, so I just saved the logs and high-tailed it outta there
[22:25] <Deet`> i had a parition loss issue on an external recently as well. currently have a windoze program finding all my files
[22:28] <monkeyjuice> http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2011/05/23/install-ubuntu-11-04-on-external-hard-disk/ Santiclause found this might be some help in there
[22:31] <Santiclause> eh, that doesn't help - I already know how to install on to the external, it's just not working
[22:31] <Santiclause> :P
[22:31] <Santiclause> so maybe I should install on to my hard drive after all, it's just I don't know what to do with the testdisk results from my hard drive
[22:32] <monkeyjuice> ive have only installed on main hd , delete one partition
[22:32] <monkeyjuice> now i have no windows and only kubuntu
[22:32] <monkeyjuice> windows  i never use anymore
[22:33] <monkeyjuice> but thats me
[22:34] <monkeyjuice> wonders if my old laptop has windows on it ... ill look
[22:53] <Taggnostr> apparently the freezing was caused by the hd
[22:54] <monkeyjuice> Taggnostr: ?
[22:55] <Taggnostr> I was asking help here about some random freezes a few hours ago
[22:56] <monkeyjuice> hd failing?
[22:56] <Taggnostr> I did a memtest and it looked ok, checked the temperatures and they looked ok, checked the hdds with smartctl and it found several errors on the first hd and 1 error on the second one
[22:56] <Taggnostr> http://dpaste.com/798329/
[22:58] <monkeyjuice> they old drives?
[22:58] <monkeyjuice> hd are not to costly
[22:59] <Taggnostr> the plan now is: 1) backup everything that is not yet backupped; 2) copy everything on the 2nd hd; 3) possibly set up a raid1;
[22:59] <Taggnostr> monkeyjuice, yep
[22:59] <Taggnostr> I should probably just buy a new pc
[22:59] <Taggnostr> all my pcs are now 5-7 years old
[23:00] <monkeyjuice> tigerdirect.com ;)
[23:00] <Taggnostr> I would like to assemble one myself, but I don't have much time to spend figuring out everything I need and finding all the pieces online
[23:01] <monkeyjuice> www.tigerdirect.com had kits ;) lol
[23:01] <monkeyjuice> has kits ^
[23:01] <Taggnostr> do they even sell to europe?
[23:01] <monkeyjuice> no idea but you can look
[23:03] <Taggnostr> ok, thanks for the link


[01:20] <ivacau> can anybody help me with a strange issue on image-store-proxy?  it seems to be corrupting the credentials zip file at /var/lib/image-store-proxy/eucalyptus/admin-credentials.zip
[01:33] <ivacau> I have 2 hardware servers, A contains clc, walrus, cc and sc, and B contains NC.  Both are running Ubuntu 10.4.2 LTS, fully updated.  I was trying to install an image using the UEC web front end, when an error of 'Proxy failed to retrieve Eucalyptus credentials' was returned
[01:35] <ivacau> after further investigation, I arrived at a conclusion that image-store-proxy was corrupting the credentials zip file as per my previous post.  on generating a new credentials zip file and manually moving it to the right location, after attempting a download again, I found that the file was truncated to a length of 231 bytes.  Really strange behaviour
[02:49] <HugoKuo> http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/releases/     all image under release folder is useless , plz never use them
[02:49] <HugoKuo> and anybody know which Maverick desktop version is ok on UEC ?
[02:50] <flaccid> why are they useless?
[02:50] <HugoKuo> while I use them
[02:51] <HugoKuo> Walrus would not transfer them to each nodes for caching
[02:51] <flaccid> if you think its a legit bug, you can submit bugs on launchpad
[02:52] <HugoKuo> for example Lucis server   http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/lucid/current/     is ok
[02:52] <HugoKuo> but http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/releases/10.04/release/  will make you carzy
[02:53] <flaccid> detail the exact problem in the bug report
[02:53] <HugoKuo> ok ~ I 'll do it thanks flaccid ...
[02:53] <flaccid> np
[03:53] <HugoKuo> does anyone can not see SC option in WebGUI ?     installed from binary package Eucalyptus 2.0   on Ubuntu Maverick server x_64
[03:53] <HugoKuo> some module lost right ?
[08:12] <superxgl> a good news : whirr 0.4.0 will release soon , and it will support eucalyptus :)
[08:19] <kim0> superxgl: thanks for the info :)
[08:23] <superxgl> :)
[09:17] <superxgl> i have a question, if i stop the frontend, then the instances stop too,isn't it ?
[09:17] <superxgl> can i keep the instance running ?
[09:28] <kim0> I wouldn't think instances would stop if frontend dies .. (just guessing)
[09:31] <superxgl> kim0: because yesterday,  i restarted my frontend computer,  after that i start the cloud again, then "euca-describe-instance", it shows nothing.
[09:32] <superxgl> my instances disappeared..
[09:32] <superxgl> i don't know why?
[09:35] <kim0> superxgl: but did you try pinging the instance itself (internal ip) ?
[09:36] <superxgl> kim0: i didn't, but "euca-describe-availability-zones verbose" also shows that the instances dies..
[09:37] <superxgl> i am sure the instances stopped.
[09:38] <kim0> it could be that the cloud just doesn't know they exist coz you restarted the controllers .. but then I don't really know
[09:43] <superxgl> i try " xm list" in the NC, it did not shows the domU
[09:43] <superxgl> then i think it is really dies..
[09:46] <TeTeT> superxgl: the instances won't stop when the front-end stops, it's best practice to first terminate them
[09:47] <TeTeT> superxgl: as stopping the front-end will remove any forwarding rules to the public ip addresses of your instances, they will basically be unreachable from then on. Or rather, should only be reachable on the private IP
[09:50] <superxgl> TeTeT: tnx . i won't do that again :)  but i still don't know why they really disappear, as "xm list" also not show the domU
[09:52] <TeTeT> superxgl: ah, no idea about xen, I only use UEC with kvm. Maybe it's different there
[09:54] <superxgl> TeTeT: ok. tnx:) don't know is there anyone ever run into this problem  like me :)
[11:40] <superxgl> i also have another problem
[11:41] <superxgl> i start two instances, each one has 512M ram, when i do scp ,copy a file from one VM to another VM, it takes me a long time to do that...
[11:41] <superxgl> anyone here has any idea ?


[05:19] <didrocks> good morning
[05:57] <thumper> didrocks: hi
[05:57] <thumper> didrocks: how you doin?
[05:57] <didrocks> hey thumper! I'm fine, thanks :) yourself?
[05:57] <thumper> feeling happy with myself
[05:57] <didrocks> (trying to fight some qmake)
[05:58] <thumper> found several small and one significant (maybe) memory leaks
[05:58] <thumper> all fixes up for review
[05:59] <didrocks> excellent, that will be awesome for next release then :-)
[06:05] <didrocks> thumper: time for week-end and beer for you then? :)
[06:05] <thumper> didrocks: sure is
[06:05] <thumper> pizza and movie night :)
[06:05] <thumper> the kids are out choosing the movie
[06:05] <thumper> and collecting pizzas
[06:16] <didrocks> heh, seems a safe trade :-)
[07:57] <RAOF> DBO: Your ctrl-tab is shiny and smooth.
[10:50] <Trevinho> Guys it's me or in latest unity scrolling over an indicator (i.e. indicaor-sound) doesn't work anymore?
[10:55] <njpatel> Trevinho, yeah, it's broke, I don't think your patch landed in time. But we're making another release next week so we can fix it then
[10:56] <Trevinho> njpatel: I was looking to that, but it doesn't seem to be related to my patch
[10:57] <njpatel> oh, weird
[10:57] <Trevinho> the problem is that the panel service doesn't get the event too
[10:58] <Trevinho> however I'm still checking
[11:06] <Trevinho> njpatel: yes, confirming... It seems that the PanelIndicatorObjectEntryView::OnMouseWheel doesn't get called at all
[11:07] <Trevinho> I don't know if this is related to Nux
[11:07] <njpatel> Trevinho, huh, weird
[11:07] <Trevinho> but it seems to be
[11:07] <njpatel> Trevinho, oh, yes, it probably is!
[11:07] <njpatel> Trevinho, gord was talking to jay about scrolling yesterday, maybe he knows
[11:07] <Trevinho> I'lll give a look to it
[11:07] <Trevinho> ah...
[11:08] <gord> no idea :) but jay might
[11:11] <Trevinho> njpatel: about the recent changes in panel-service to use XIDeviceEvent *event = cookie->data;
[11:12] <Trevinho> In my installation this has some problems; i.e. event == NULL
[11:12] <Trevinho> Now, maybe I'm not a "standard" tester as my core distro is still natty :P
[11:13] <njpatel> Trevinho, yeah, gtk3 uses xinput2 so we needed to move to that
[11:13] <njpatel> Trevinho, come over to Oneiric, it's fun!
[11:13] <njpatel> :)
[11:13] <Trevinho> I'm using gtk3 too...
[11:14] <Trevinho> I like to make "hybrid distros"... Like "natterick" or "oneiratty"
[11:14] <Trevinho> however I should definely move :P
[11:16] <Trevinho> Ah, njpatel (sorry for bothering you :P), could we add the make uninstall functionality to our CMake?
[11:16] <Trevinho> (I mean, I know it's possible, but can it be done?)
[11:16] <Trevinho> It could be useful for "extra" installations (in /opt/.... )....
[11:29] <njpatel> Trevinho, hey, no worries man !
[11:29] <njpatel> Trevinho, yes, I think it should be possible
[11:29] <njpatel> Trevinho, natterick :)
[11:36] <Trevinho> Yeah... Natterick lived so much time in my main PC.... :D
[12:49] <rsajdok> I am trying to compile Unity-2d on O. I get an error: http://pastie.org/2253862 Any suggestion?
[12:50] <Trevinho> Change to indicator-0.4
[12:51] <Trevinho> In CmakeList
[12:51] <Trevinho> everywhere is mentioned indicator put indicator-0.4
[12:52] <didrocks> trunk should have that as Kaleo took my patch, isn't it?
[12:53] <Kaleo> didrocks: it does yeah but only the oneiric branch
[12:54] <Kaleo> rsajdok: lp:unity-2d/4.0
[12:54] <didrocks> indeed, rsajdok doesn't take the correct branch :)
[12:54] <didrocks> thanks Kaleo!
[12:56] <rsajdok> didrocks: I am using this version from this link: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity2D
[13:00] <didrocks> Kaleo: don't you think it makes sense to change the focus release serie now? I think that rsajdok won't be the only one getting that issue trying to hack on the latest release?
[13:00] <didrocks> (so that lp:unity-2d checkout the 4.0 branch)
[13:24] <Kaleo> didrocks: it's not really clear how many people are using Natty vs Oneiric
[13:25] <didrocks> Kaleo: so at least, ensuring the wiki page is up to date is needed then
[13:25] <Kaleo> didrocks: adding an explanation of the 2 version yeah
[13:27] <Trevinho> njpatel: I've foind the problem in Nux
[13:27] <njpatel> Trevinho, nice
[13:28] <Trevinho> njpatel:  However It seems that it's something that is wanted
[13:28] <Trevinho> I mean, there's a function which filters out the mouse wheel when getting the mouse position
[13:28] <Trevinho> why that?!
[13:30] <Trevinho> njpatel: A workaround could be to force an event to be considered like a click...
[13:31] <Trevinho> In that case the scroll event is fired
[13:32] <njpatel> Trevinho, let's wait for jaytaoko and then shout at him
[13:32] <njpatel> Trevinho, :)
[13:34] <Trevinho> ok
[13:38] <jaytaoko> njpatel: hello
[13:38] <jaytaoko> Trevinho: hello
[13:41] <Trevinho> hi jaytaoko
[13:41] <Trevinho> I was looking to scroll event in nux
[13:42] <Trevinho> but maybe I found what we missed...
[13:42] <jaytaoko> Trevinho: hi!
[13:42] <jaytaoko> Trevinho: something wrong with the scrolling?
[13:44] <Trevinho> Well, the signal wasn't emitted to the indicator but I guess that all its related to the fact that SetAcceptMouseWheelEvent wasn't set
[13:44] <Trevinho> I'm just checking...
[13:45] <jaytaoko> Trevinho: the way the mouse wheel works is that the event is sent to an area that is under the mouse pointer and that area has to accept mouse wheel events
[13:45] <Trevinho> Ok, fine now it works...
[13:45] <Trevinho> yes I saw that...
[13:45] <jaytaoko> Trevinho: cool!
[13:45] <Trevinho> I've just studied how it works and now also unity is happy... njpatel: fixed ;)
[13:46] <jaytaoko> Trevinho: great! anything else I can help you with?
[13:47] <Trevinho> jaytaoko: no, thank you! I just had this issue, but studying a little how nux is working now I've found what we were missing
[13:49] <njpatel> Trevinho, jaytaoko awesome!
[13:49] <jaytaoko> Trevinho: fyi, we have changed nux event system from what it was in  the last cycle... the new version is the one you have now. We will be cleanup the remaining of the old architecture.
[13:53] <Trevinho> jaytaoko: about the scrolling event... do you also inverted the up/down values?
[13:53] <Trevinho> because now it seems different
[13:54] <jaytaoko> Trevinho: we fixed an issue with the wheel scrolling direction yesterday before the release
[13:54] <jaytaoko> Trevinho: so yes, I inverted some values to get the dash scrolling to work properly
[13:55] <Trevinho> Ok...
[13:55] <Trevinho> but for indicators it should be inverted again
[13:55] <jaytaoko> Trevinho: are you scrolling on the indicators?
[13:55] <Trevinho> but we can do it in unity
[13:55] <Trevinho> yes
[13:55] <Trevinho> now if you scroll down it's considered an up scrolling...
[13:55] <Trevinho> and reverse
[13:56] <jaytaoko> Trevinho: yes, I think it will have to be inverted in Unity
[13:57] <jaytaoko> Trevinho: I went do at the X11 level and made the correct changes so that the dash works fine. The way the scrolling works now is different from what was implemented in the previous cycle...
[13:57] <jaytaoko> Trevinho: so there is a need to correct that in the indicators as well
[13:58] <Trevinho> Yes I've done that
[13:58] <Trevinho> before your delta was > 0 when you got a scroll down
[13:58] <Trevinho> and < 0 when it was up
[13:59] <Trevinho> not it's inverted
[13:59] <Trevinho> (and is like in GDK)
[13:59] <Trevinho> reverting that all works
[13:59] <Trevinho> thank you
[13:59] <jaytaoko> Trevinho: no problem!
[14:01] <jaytaoko> Trevinho: if you ever want to see where it all begins, look in the Nux source code: NuxGraphics/GraphicsDisplayX11.cpp and look for NUX_EVENT_MOUSEWHEEL
[14:03] <Trevinho> Yes, I saw that
[14:03] <Trevinho> :)
[14:11] <Trevinho> njpatel: http://go.3v1n0.net/o5qgVs ;)
[14:15] <njpatel> Trevinho, approved :)
[14:16] <Trevinho> thanks njpatel
[16:02] <vish> !away > agent00tai
[16:04] <agent00tai> it's my irc bouncer I can't do anything about it if my oneiric session always crash
[16:04] <agent00tai> but I'll leave the channel so I don't spam you guys
[18:52] <andyrock> good evening


[08:25] <dholbach> good morning!
[08:43] <dholbach> finally some action on the mailing list again :-D
[08:43] <dholbach> and highvoltage and I are looking into getting schooltool into the archive
[10:23] <andylockran> morning guys -
[10:23] <andylockran> and ladies
[10:28] <dholbach> hi andylockran
[10:29] <MooDoo> morning
[10:30] <andylockran> did the list get my introduction?
[10:30] <andylockran> accidentally cc:'d it, as part of a reply to all (sorry clive)
[10:30] <MooDoo> andylockran, yes it did
[10:31] <andylockran> MooDoo: gmail is just to clever with these things..
[10:31] <MooDoo> :D
[13:52] <bac> morning
[13:53] <MooDoo> bac morning


[05:55] <mardy> 'morning!
[05:59] <mborzecki> morning
[06:27] <pstolowski> morning
[06:59] <zyga-mbp> good morning :)
[07:18] <mvo> good morning zyga-mbp
[07:31] <mborzecki> mvo: mardy: can you take a look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10744 ?
[07:31] <mup> PR #10744: overlord/ifacestate: fix arguments in unit tests <⚠ Critical> <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10744>
[07:33] <mup> PR snapd#10744 opened: overlord/ifacestate: fix arguments in unit tests <⚠ Critical> <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10744>
[07:34] <zyga-mbp> hey mvo  :)
[07:34] <mardy> mborzecki: +1
[07:34] <mardy> hi zyga-mbp, pstolowski, mvo :-)
[07:34] <mborzecki> mardy: thanks!
[07:35]  * zyga-mbp declares this a hot-tea season
[07:35] <zyga-mbp> cold coffee is out
[07:37] <mborzecki> zyga-mbp: haha you just let your coffee cool down for too long 🙂
[07:38] <zyga-mbp> I prefer my coffee cold but given that it's <18 in the office and I'm fully dressed my preference is secondary
[07:41] <mvo> good morning mardy mborzecki pstolowski
[07:41] <mborzecki> yeah, the mornings are cold
[07:42] <mborzecki> mvo: hey
[07:42] <mvo> mborzecki: sure, looking - fwiw it looks like debian-sid is broken right now because apparmor 3 hit unstable
[07:42] <mvo> looks like we need our snapd-apparmor-service there now too :)
[07:42] <pstolowski> hey
[07:43] <mborzecki> uhh
[07:43] <mborzecki> fun
[07:50] <mardy> is there any way to get regexps to work on multiline strings? (assuming that this is the reason for this failure: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/d4gXhNGbBM/)
[07:51] <mborzecki> mardy: you want `(?m)` in the pattern then
[07:52] <mborzecki> quick errand, back in 30
[08:09] <mborzecki> re
[08:13] <mup> PR snapd#10744 closed: overlord/ifacestate: fix arguments in unit tests <⚠ Critical> <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10744>
[08:33] <mup> PR snapd#10745 opened: packaging: ship the `snapd.apparmor.service` unit in debian <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10745>
[09:17] <mborzecki> mvo: hmm related to sid pulling in apparmor 3? https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/snap-apps-not-opening-after-update/26446/2 iirc kali was pulling in some packages from sid
[09:23] <mup> PR snapd#10746 opened: spread: bump delta ref to 2.52 <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10746>
[09:24] <mborzecki> trivial one ^^
[10:01] <mborzecki> errand, back in 30
[10:21] <mborzecki> re
[10:42] <mborzecki> hehe, so the MemoryMax in systemd service overrides goes out of sync with what's really set in memory controller in 16.04
[10:43] <mborzecki> override file was removed, service restarted, systems claims no limit, but /sys/fs/cgroup/memory shows otherwise 😕 https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KCPKvxRQdR/
[10:44] <mborzecki> could this also affect our snap quotas?
[10:44] <mborzecki> mvo: ^^
[10:46] <mvo> mborzecki: uh, maybe/probably, where do you see this?
[10:48] <mborzecki> mvo: on 16.04 in my memory limit PR https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10241 which consistently keeps failing there although the limit it supposed to be disabled in those specific tests
[10:48] <mup> PR #10241: tests: set memory limit for snapd <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10241>
[10:55] <mvo> ta
[10:58] <mup> PR snapd#10747 opened: packaging: remove duplicated `golang-go` build-dependency <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10747>
[11:28] <mup> PR snapd#10748 opened: systemd: add AtLeast() method, add mocking in systemdtest <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10748>
[12:19] <mup> PR snapd#10749 opened: tests: remove travis leftovers <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10749>
[12:49] <mup> PR snapd#10750 opened: cmd/snap: don't translate service statuses in 'snap services' output <Simple 😃> <Bug> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10750>
[12:59] <mup> PR snapd#10736 closed: tests: skip overlord tests on riscv64 due to timeouts <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by stolowski> <Merged by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10736>
[13:06] <mborzecki> mvo: can you land https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10545 ?
[13:06] <mup> PR #10545: boot: record recovery capable systems in recovery bootenv <Needs Samuele review> <Remodel 🚋> <Run nested> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10545>
[13:44] <mvo> mborzecki: sure
[13:45] <mborzecki> mvo: thanks
[13:49] <mup> PR snapd#10545 closed: boot: record recovery capable systems in recovery bootenv <Needs Samuele review> <Remodel 🚋> <Run nested> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10545>
[14:34] <mup> PR snapd#10745 closed: packaging: ship the `snapd.apparmor.service` unit in debian <cherry-picked> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10745>
[14:34] <mup> PR snapd#10747 closed: packaging: remove duplicated `golang-go` build-dependency <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10747>
[14:51] <pstolowski> mvo: is https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1940553 fixed and released? or just fixed?
[14:51] <mup> Bug #1940553: Wrong dtb loaded on rpi <snapd:In Progress> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1940553>
[14:53] <ijohnson[m]> pstolowski: technically the fix is "released" in 2.51.7, the release is awaiting testing before released to stable however
[14:54] <ijohnson[m]> pstolowski: I would leave it as committed until 2.51.7 is actually released to stable
[14:54] <pstolowski> ijohnson[m]: ack, thanks
[14:56] <pstolowski> ijohnson[m]: that was released right https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1910298 ?
[14:56] <mup> Bug #1910298: ~/snap directory should be o0700 <Snapcraft:Triaged by sergiusens> <snapd:In Progress by anonymouse67> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1910298>
[14:57]  * mvo switches network
[15:39] <mup> PR snapd#10751 opened: client: turn the Client type into an interface <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10751>
[15:59] <mup> PR snapd#10752 opened: configcore: implement netplan write support via dbus <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10752>
[16:09] <cachio> ijohnson[m], hi, I answered your comment https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10743#discussion_r703576248
[16:09] <mup> PR #10743: tests: fix fakedevicesvc service already exists <Simple 😃> <Run nested> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10743>
[16:24] <mup> PR snapd#10746 closed: spread: bump delta ref to 2.52 <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10746>
[16:24] <cachio> ijohnson[m], I already improved the solution to allow nested tests to use tests.cleanup
[16:25] <cachio> because I saw that other tests are using it as well
[16:25] <cachio> so it is better to allow to use that tool
[17:35]  * cachio afk
[17:56] <ijohnson[m]> thanks cachio
[19:45] <mup> PR snapd#10749 closed: tests: remove travis leftovers <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10749>


[05:42] <czajkowski> Aloha
[05:45]  * czajkowski hugs pleia2
[06:48]  * pleia2 hugs czajkowski
[06:57] <nigelb> *yawn* Good morning!
[07:30] <czajkowski> pleia2: go to bed
[07:34] <dpm> good morning all!
[07:46] <nigelb> Good morning dpm!
[07:48] <czajkowski> my natty install is behaving badly, randomly reboots today
[07:48] <czajkowski> and then freezes on movies
[07:49] <jussi> czajkowski: that sounds horrible. Ive been having random freezes and kernel panics. natty hasnt been a success for me so far :(
[07:51] <dpm> morning nigelb :)
[08:08] <czajkowski> jussi: its the random reboots is annoying
[08:08] <czajkowski> goes to half way through boot up
[08:08] <czajkowski> and then login screen
[08:08] <czajkowski> very odd
[08:08] <jussi> czajkowski: yeah, i can imagine.
[08:40] <czajkowski> jussi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/788508
[08:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 788508 in xorg "Machine randomly reboots for no reason" [Undecided,New]
[08:50] <tsimpson> Lucid is working fine ;)
[09:08] <kim0> morning everyone
[09:11] <czajkowski> tsimpson: *mutters*
[09:12] <czajkowski> tsimpson: works fine on my mini
[09:52] <kim0> huats: hey o/
[09:52] <huats> hey kim0 !
[09:53] <huats> morning everyone btw
[09:53] <huats> kim0, I'll give a look at the data we received
[09:53] <huats> I hpe by the end of the week
[09:53] <huats> or on monday I think
[09:53] <huats> I'll let you know
[09:53] <kim0> huats: awesome .. have fun buddy :)
[09:54] <kim0> huats: I can't wait to get this data out there :)
[09:54] <kim0> huats: thanks for your help
[09:54] <huats> my pleasure
[10:41] <czajkowski> jussi: kubuntu fan  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/780358
[10:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 780358 in xorg-server "Random X crashes in Ubuntu 11.04" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[11:12] <jussi> grumble wiki grumble
[11:15] <czajkowski> jussi: are you becoming a clone of jcastro :)
[11:16] <jussi> czajkowski: fine, you tell me why the htc flyer table doesnt work here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/TabletList
[11:20] <nigelb> jussi: fixed
[11:20] <czajkowski> bah
[11:20] <czajkowski> I was fixing it
[11:20] <czajkowski> :(
[11:20] <czajkowski> and editing
[11:20] <jussi> nigelb: what was wrong with it?
[11:20] <czajkowski> and marked preview
[11:21] <nigelb> jussi: space at the end
[11:21] <nigelb> czajkowski: sorry :(
[11:21]  * jussi rolls eyes at the wiki
[11:21] <czajkowski> I thought if you marked preview it locked others out
[11:21] <czajkowski> but did you not get a mesage saying I was editing when you clicked edit...
[11:35]  * AlanBell has access to the new test wiki
[11:39] <jussi> AlanBell: how is it?
[11:44] <duanedesign> mornings all
[11:45]  * duanedesign finally replaced his Tinariwen CD and is enoying listening to it this morning
[11:47] <jussi> btw, who was it that was complaining about the lack of a !fail factoid in here?
[11:47] <jussi> !fail
[11:47] <ubot2> FATAL Error: Operation succeeded
[11:47] <jussi> :)
[12:06] <AlanBell> it is still slow, they haven't turned on xapian yet
[12:09] <cjohnston> jussi: me
[12:09] <cjohnston> :-)
[12:09] <jussi> cjohnston: happy now ?
[12:09] <cjohnston> never
[12:12] <nigelb> AlanBell: can more of us help?
[12:17] <cjohnston> Deleting stuff will help!
[12:18] <czajkowski> I hate packing and moving house!
[12:19] <czajkowski> I seem to have extra stuff from 7 months ago and I've just bagged clothes for charity and still may have to sit on suitcase
[12:27] <jussi> czajkowski: moving again?
[12:28] <czajkowski> yeah
[12:28] <czajkowski> I like making my life exciting
[12:28] <czajkowski> *mutters*
[12:28] <jussi> heh
[12:28] <czajkowski> but I really hate packing
[12:29] <jussi> czajkowski: Im in agreeance with you there.
[12:30] <czajkowski> mhall119: wife and Pendulum helped me pack coming back from orlando was entertaining
[13:02] <mhall119> it was rather entertaining
[13:07] <AlanBell> cjohnston: I am unconvinced that deleting stuff will help
[13:07] <AlanBell> apart from user profiles perhaps
[13:08] <cjohnston> Well.. deleting stuff will get rid of some erroneous results
[13:08] <AlanBell> yeah, main performance problem is brute force evaluation of regexps to get the list of names to send notification emails
[13:09] <mhall119> AlanBell: cjohnston: whatsamatta?
[13:10] <cjohnston> the wiki
[13:10] <mhall119> oh
[13:10]  * cjohnston thinks our resident isd guy should fix the wiki.. what do you think AlanBell ? ;-)
[13:10] <mhall119> we don't do the wiki
[13:11] <AlanBell> bradm is doing it
[13:27] <maco> cjohnston: yeah, ending up at "____HowToBreezy" after a google is a bit not-helpful
[13:27] <cjohnston> ;-)
[13:27] <cjohnston> jcastro's favorite thing.. Delete!
[13:27] <cjohnston> lol
[13:35] <AlanBell> deleting obsolete stuff is good, but I don't think it has a performance impact
[13:49] <popey> depends how much you delete
[13:52] <huats> kim0, I have started to play a bit with the documents we have received
[13:52] <kim0> huats: and what do you think
[13:53] <huats> I think we might have to ask them to change a bit some stuffs :)
[13:53] <huats> or we won't be able to automate things at all
[13:53] <huats> (but I am not yet at the end of my exploration)
[13:53] <kim0> huats: koolhead11 is one of the guys that had written that book
[13:53] <koolhead11> hi all
[13:53] <huats> koolhead11, hey
[13:53] <koolhead11> huats, hello
[13:53] <huats> koolhead11, that will ease the process !
[13:54] <kim0> :)
[13:54] <koolhead11> huats, ok sir
[13:55] <huats> koolhead11, I will continue to play a bit with the sources I have received and I'll let you know if I founf any blocker
[13:55] <koolhead11> huats, ok
[13:55] <huats> right now I am focussing on try to automate the various transformation
[13:55] <koolhead11> huats, kool
[13:55] <kim0> huats: I'm still unsure if we'll be able to integrate the output with the wiki somehow
[13:56] <huats> kim0, I'll let you now
[13:56] <kim0> if not .. just a pdf I guess
[13:56] <huats> know
[13:56] <kim0> yeah
[13:58] <huats> right now I have converted the sources to a rought rst
[13:58] <koolhead11> nice
[13:58] <huats> (I will continue refine the output but it is a basis)
[13:58] <huats> and then to sphinx
[13:59] <huats> (which is done now but needs also more love)
[13:59] <koolhead11> sphinx ^^
[14:02]  * koolhead11 wonders how many ubuntu channel we have on freenode :D
[14:02] <koolhead11> waoo nigelb !! hello sir
[14:23] <head_victim> Anyone know if there are any global events planned in the near/nearish future?
[14:23] <czajkowski> release party end of october
[14:23] <czajkowski> :)
[14:23] <czajkowski> jumps out at me
[14:23] <czajkowski> be nice to have a UGJ this cycle
[14:24] <head_victim> czajkowski: yeah that's all I could think of, just had the question asked in the loco so thought I'd see if there was something I hadn't heard of yet though.
[14:25] <czajkowski> no worries
[14:25] <czajkowski> :)
[14:25] <nigelb> koholhead11: ello
[14:26] <head_victim> Just found jono's post from 3 days ago, looks like a good start
[14:27] <koolhead11> nigelb, how many channels we have man?
[14:27] <nigelb> koolhead11: jussi would know
[14:28]  * koolhead11 looks at jussi
[14:29]  * head_victim is just doing a channel list to see if he can work out how many ubuntu channels are on this network
[14:30] <head_victim> Well if you show all channels with more than 1 user it's 675 according to the list I just did
[14:30] <head_victim> The search was all channels with "ubuntu" in the channel name
[14:54] <tsimpson> head_victim: channels registered in our namespace is somewhere in the region of 1,300
[14:54] <huats> koolhead11, do you know if instead of exporting to html it is possible to export xhtml ?
[14:54] <tsimpson> that's not necessarily "active" channels, just ones registered
[14:55] <koolhead11> tsimpson,  waoo (o.0)
[14:55] <tsimpson> yep, it's officially "lots and lots"
[14:55] <koolhead11> huats, i think kim0 would have given you text files?
[14:56] <huats> koolhead11, I have received an html export... but it is not really great so I was wondering if a xhtml would be possile
[14:56] <koolhead11> i doubt that :(
[14:57] <kim0> it's wordpress .. whatever that can output
[14:57] <head_victim> tsimpson: that's a bit scary actually
[14:58] <tsimpson> we're working on removing the dead/unused ones
[14:59] <head_victim> Sounds like quite a task
[14:59] <koolhead11> head_victim, yeah true
[14:59] <huats> koolhead11, I am asking because right now the output is not xhtml valid ...and it would be really helpful
[15:00] <koolhead11> huats, <kim0> it's wordpress .. whatever that can output
[15:01] <kim0> huats: seems like it can export xml
[15:01] <huats> koolhead11, I have never used wordpress .. that is why I am asking
[15:01] <huats> kim0, might worth the try
[15:06] <koolhead11> huats, kim0 catch you guys from home.
[15:07] <huats> ok koolhead11 thanks
[15:30] <czajkowski> whoo my xorg bug fixed thanks to Sarvatt
[16:14] <nigelb> http://www.androidguys.com/2011/05/26/ubuntu-ported-galaxy-ii/ :O
[16:18] <popey> meh, vnc
[16:22] <doctormo> meh, no web browser
[16:22] <doctormo> popey: Do you have Ubuntu running on your iPad yet? ;-)
[16:24] <popey> heh
[16:24] <popey> Not yet. If there was a port I'd certainly try
[16:24] <popey> (subject to numerous conditions)
[17:27] <jono> started work today at 9am for the first time in ages instead of 7/8am
[17:27] <jono> felt good to get the sleep :-)
[17:28]  * paultag waves to jono
[17:28] <jono> hey paultag :-)
[17:40] <jono> Technoviking, meeting in 20?
[17:41] <Technoviking> Technoviking: yup
[17:42] <jono> Technoviking, awesome
[17:43] <jono> Technoviking, I will be doing an interview at that time so will dip in and out
[17:43] <Technoviking> sounds good
[17:43] <jono> Technoviking, I would recommend you try to get the team to focus on a clear set of goals for the 11.10 release, such as documentation and getting the new Ubuntu Tweak in the Software Center
[17:44] <jono> and maybe running a Power Users online training event, akin to Open Week
[17:44] <jono> whatever you folks feel is best
[17:46] <Technoviking> jono: I agree, also other hanging fruit such as helping get quicklist in the basic install
[17:46] <Technoviking> I sent an email asking for people to start thinking about thing we could do during open week
[17:47] <jono> Technoviking, totally
[17:59] <maco> AlanBell: by the way, for the question about rating the install process, people who didnt install it can click "not applicable" and then just skip the one about how it was installed.
[18:34] <nigelb> jcastro!
[19:01] <nigelb> the world is a strange strange place.
[19:01] <nigelb> I just got this tweet from someone I've never met - https://twitter.com/#!/ichattopadhyaya/status/73809894549094400
[19:01] <nigelb> Rest assured that is my pen and I remember writing that :)
[19:02] <mhall119> jono: ping
[19:02] <jono> mhall119, hey
[19:02] <jono> about to hop on a call
[19:02] <koolhead17> nigelb: someone in love with you :)
[19:03] <mhall119> hey, I won't be able to make the 4pm call today
[19:03]  * koolhead17 waves to jono :)
[19:03] <mhall119> nigelb and cjohnston can just assign me work items as they see fit
[19:03] <jono> hey koolhead17
[19:03] <jono> thanks for letting me know mhall119
[19:03] <nigelb> mhall119: We'll be fair, don't worry.
[19:03] <koolhead17> jono: your not there today!! :D
[19:04] <jono> koolhead17, ?
[19:04] <mhall119> my preference would be to work on the rss aggregation, since I'm already familiar with that
[19:04] <koolhead17> i meant that channel :)
[19:04] <mhall119> nigelb: ^^
[19:04] <koolhead17> oops. notthing :P
[19:04] <nigelb> mhall119: cool, okay.  We'll pass that bit onto you.
[19:05] <nigelb> mhall119: I've been trying to get started on the image crediting thing. Its not easy.  Still continuing.
[19:05] <mhall119> if daker_ or Ronnie could make a mockup of what the aggregated feed should look like on the front page, all the better
[19:05] <mhall119> since they're better designers than me
[19:15] <nigelb> mhall119: ugh, this makes me feel we should have meetings often
[19:15] <nigelb> that way work can get assigned and stuff
[19:15] <nigelb> and we can actually have proper discussions
[19:16] <czajkowski> we will be soon
[19:16] <czajkowski> :)
[19:16] <mhall119> nigelb: we can do regular meeting in -meeting
[19:16] <nigelb> czajkowski: :)
[19:17] <nigelb> mhall119: yup, I'll talk to Ronnie and daker and discuss about a time. Fridays would be the best day for you right?
[19:19] <mhall119> or wed.
[19:27] <koolhead17> kim0: your cloud-init video looks good. can`t we link it in ubuntu-community documentation for cloud-init?
[19:52] <kim0> koolhead17: I think it's already linked, no? if not feel free to link to it :)
[19:53] <koolhead17> adding it in bottom, related video with link
[20:05] <koolhead17> done
[20:22] <nigelb> pleia2: \o/ ipv6!
[20:22] <doctormo> nigelb: Every cell needs an ip address! ;-)
[20:23] <nigelb> doctormo: not mine :)
[20:23] <doctormo> nigelb: We should play some more Wesnoth, when are you next free for a game?
[20:23] <pleia2> nigelb :)
[20:23] <nigelb> doctormo: hrm, some time next week probably. I'd love to play again.
[20:24] <doctormo> nigelb: We need to find some more players too, 3 more for a complete team.
[20:24] <nigelb> doctormo: you're better at that sort of thing than me :)
[20:25] <doctormo> pleia2: Want to play a drawf in a game of magic?
[20:25] <nigelb> Anyone knows if akgraner is better?
[20:25] <doctormo> dwarf*
[20:25] <pleia2> doctormo: sorry, no time :(
[21:01] <jono> czajkowski, cjohnston, nigelb dialing into the call now
[21:01] <jono> rrnwexec, are you joining us?
[21:01] <cjohnston> I'm on
[21:01] <nigelb> jono: okay
[21:01] <jono> rrnwexec, I can't remember if I mentioned this call
[21:02] <rrnwexec> jono: i'm dialed in
[21:03] <jono> nigelb, want me to skype you in?
[21:03] <nigelb> jono: yes, please :)
[21:04] <jono> nigelb, cant hear you
[21:04] <nigelb> jono: at all?
[21:04] <jono> nigelb, nope
[21:04] <jono> rrnwexec, are you dialed into the conf call number
[21:04] <rrnwexec> i am
[21:04] <nigelb> jono: bah, I can hear you
[21:05] <jono> czajkowski, call?
[21:06] <nigelb> rrnwexec, cjohnston, jono: I'm taking notes here http://pad.ubuntu.com/SQKZerOLaz
[21:28] <nigelb> that was a fairly productive call :)
[21:29] <jono> awesome call :-)
[21:29] <jono> 30mins and a solid plan
[21:29] <jono> \m/
[21:29] <rrnwexec> thanks Jono. good start.
[21:30] <jono> rrnwexec, :-)
[21:51] <jono> rrnwexec, nigelb, cjohnston nearly done with the design
[21:51] <nigelb> jono: nice :)
[21:53] <cjohnston> please take your time... like 2 months :-P
[21:53] <cjohnston> jono: ^
[21:53] <cjohnston> kidding
[21:57] <jono> lol
[21:57] <jono> just about done
[22:01] <jono> cjohnston, nigelb, mhall119, rrnwexec http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5184/5763041728_9d776baccd_o.jpg
[22:03] <doctormo> jono: Would you like a UI review of that design?
[22:03] <jono> doctormo, feel free to offer comments
[22:03] <jono> I am writing up a blog entry where people can provide some input
[22:04] <jono> and then cjohnston, nigelb and mhall119 can decide what they want to do
[22:04] <doctormo> jono: You've got 3 horizontal navigations and 1 vertical, consider combining the horizontal especially for the front page.
[22:05] <jono> doctormo, I recommend you leave the comments on the blog entry so it can be part of the discussion
[22:05] <jono> I will blog it first and then we can go from there
[22:05] <jono> should be up fairly soon
[22:05] <doctormo> jono: Yikes, sorry.
[22:06] <jono> doctormo, no worries - I jut want to make sure that more people can see your feedback than just people in here
[22:06] <maco> wow, that is *busy*
[22:07] <jono> it is based upon http://cloud.ubuntu.com/
[22:07] <doctormo> jono: This isn't normally how UIs are critically reviewed, mailing lists and such are much better because they're focused. You're going to get a lot of OMG types on your blog.
[22:07] <jono> doctormo, Nigel started a discussion on the loco dir mailing list
[22:07] <jono> feel free to comment there if you like
[22:15] <pleia2> which mailing list is this? the loco dir one hasn't had an email since march
[22:20] <pleia2> oh, there it is :)
[22:22]  * Cheri703 is apparently on that list and had no idea
[22:22] <pleia2> hehe
[22:22] <Cheri703> I may have subscribed during UDS, I apparently subscribed to a bunch of them and have been going "oh, really? ok, sure"
[22:22] <Cheri703> when they arrive
[22:36] <nigelb> pleia2: cough
[22:36] <nigelb> pleia2: I thought I subscribed
[22:36] <pleia2> :)
[22:36] <nigelb> proceeded to try to email from gmail and ubuntu.com to realize I didn't
[22:36] <nigelb> so I subscribed and sent again
[22:37] <nigelb> poor cjohnston is going to kick me :P
[22:37] <pleia2> as usual
[22:37] <nigelb> :D
[22:37] <nigelb> pleia2: I forgot what komputes real name was
[22:37] <nigelb> David... something
[22:38] <pleia2> not sure
[22:42] <nigelb> pleia2: I just need to subscribe to the lists with both email addresses and mark one as web only. That seems to be the only practical solution.
[22:46]  * nigelb goes to bed
[22:57]  * popey gets an email from a test wiki
[22:58]  * popey pokes AlanBell
[22:58] <AlanBell> yeah, sorry
[22:59] <AlanBell> peformance still sucks on the new wiki because they haven't turned on xapian
[22:59]  * AlanBell is trying to pursuade them that it is the entire point of the upgrade!
[22:59] <pleia2> heh
[23:00] <AlanBell> http://wiki-test.ubuntu.com/SystemInfo


[07:18] <theblazehen> o/ all
[07:19] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:19] <theblazehen> Anyone got recommendations for educational games etc for older computers? 800 MHz CPU, 375 MB RAM, but decent graphics
[07:21] <inetpro> theblazehen: 375MB might be a bit low spec these days
[07:22] <theblazehen> inetpro: Yeah. But it can run tuxtype etc fine
[07:22] <inetpro> I wonder whether highvoltage is still involved with Edubuntu
[07:22] <theblazehen> Found https://www.edubuntu.org/screenshots
[09:30] <magespawn> good day all