[00:21] <homecable> whats the best way to raid 1 mirror with linux
[00:49] <teward> i feel dirty... i'm setting up a centos 7 VM >.<
[00:49] <teward> i feel like i'm betraying Ubuntu :
[00:49] <teward> :? *
[01:30] <sarkis> hmm is there soemthign wrong with the libc package?
[01:30] <sarkis> STDERR: E: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux-libc-dev_3.13.0-57.95_amd64.deb  404  Not Found
[01:34] <sarkis> anyone know if theres something up with linux-libc-dev_3.13.0-57.95_amd64.deb
[01:34] <sarkis> seems to be throwing errors on multiple mirrors?
[01:35] <teward> sarkis: sure it wasn't superseded?
[01:35] <sarkis> hmmm i see what this is
[01:35] <teward> because it doesn't show up there when you navigate to the mirror itself in a web browser
[01:36] <sarkis> ya need an apt-get update
[01:36] <sarkis> fuck
[01:36] <teward> !language
[01:45] <patdk-lap>  it's a normal part of human behavior
[01:47] <teward> CurrentToleranceLevel() = 0.0004
[01:47] <teward> i think ineed sleep
[02:47] <tgm4883> Trying to enable pci passthrough to one of my libvirt vm's on my 14.04 host, I'm getting this error when I try to start the machine "Error starting domain: unsupported configuration: host doesn't support passthrough of host PCI devices"
[02:47] <qman> Unless its some obscure bug, its exactly what it says
[02:48] <tgm4883> I've added intel_iommu=on to my grub line and kvm-ok says that kvm acceleration can be used, which IIRC means that I've got the vt-d extensions
[02:48] <tgm4883> qman: what else is needed?
[02:48] <qman> If you expect your hardware to have this capability, check the bios settings to make sure its enabled for the device you're trying to use
[02:48] <tarpman> tgm4883: kvm just needs vt, vt-d is an additional feature and usually a separate bios setting
[02:49] <tgm4883> ah
[02:49] <tgm4883> any way to verify I have that without going into the bios? The box is in a closet and I'd have to hook up a keyboard and monitor
[02:50] <qman> Manufacturer documentation to check if it has that feature
[02:50] <qman> No way to enable it without doing that, though
[02:50] <tgm4883> fair enough, i'll look though documentation
[02:51] <qman> Beyond just trying it of course, which isn't working
[02:54] <tarpman> tgm4883: dmesg | grep -i dmar might be a clue, based on http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/How_to_assign_devices_with_VT-d_in_KVM
[02:54] <tarpman> tgm4883: my laptop which has VT-d prints a dmar: line (even though it's disabled in bios), while a server that lacks it does not
[02:55] <tgm4883> tarpman: I'm thinking mine does not. I don't see it listed on the ARK page for my processor
[02:56] <tarpman> too bad
[02:57] <tgm4883> yep, looks it was added in teh Nahalem family, which my processor is 2 behind that :(
[02:57] <tgm4883> So plan B I guess. See if I can segregate a NIC to only be used by a particular guest
[02:59] <tarpman> easy, just make a(nother) bridge backed by only that if, point the guest at it
[03:00] <tgm4883> tarpman: that makes sense, I've got to lock it down a bit from the host to, as I was planning on connecting this NIC directly to my cable modem
[03:00] <tgm4883> then running pfsense in the VM
[03:01] <tarpman> interesting
[03:01] <tarpman> not sure how to go about that, tbh :)
[03:01] <tgm4883> Which is why I wanted to do the PCI passthrough :/
[03:01] <tgm4883> the host itself doesn't do much. It runs 1 VM (pfsense) and a few LXC containers
[03:10] <tgm4883> tarpman: some quick searching indicates that the way to do it is leave it unconfigured in the host and use macvtap passthrough
[03:11] <tarpman> tgm4883: same applies for bridging, AFAIK
[03:11] <tarpman> (to be clear, I don't have a particular preference for bridging over macvtap; just all my experience is with the former)
[03:12] <tgm4883> tarpman: yea I've got a bridge setup for the lxc containers.
[03:12] <tarpman> right. so 'iface br1 inet manual', with nics assigned as usual, would probably do as you expect
[03:13] <tarpman> bearing in mind there's nothing preventing a root process in the host configuring it
[03:14] <tgm4883> true, but I wouldn't suspect that since it's only providing those two services and running a puppet agent and check_mk agent
[03:14] <tgm4883> I suppose I could write a check_mk check to verify it stays unconfigured
[03:24] <qman> openvswitch might offer some options here, too, but I'm far from an expert on it
[06:04] <roracle> Hey guys, i'm still on 14.10, noticed it expired today, but i can't get mod_rewrite working on subdomains.  could i please get some help
[06:05] <roracle> i'll be upgrading to a newer version soon
[06:16] <Abhijit> Hi
[06:17] <Abhijit> my potfix+dovecot works well without ssl. when I enable ssl in 10-ssl.conf of dovecot I get ERROR: Connection dropped by IMAP server. I am using squirrelmail to login.
[06:24] <Abhijit> if I add imaps to /usr/share/dovecot/protocols.d/imapd.protocol like protocols = $protocols imap imaps i get syntax error and dovecot fails to restart
[06:33] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:34] <sarnold> Abhijit: do you have any errors or warnings in the dovecot logs on the server?
[06:35] <Abhijit> sarnold, the previous issue is now solved. not i disabled imap and only enabled imaps. now i get error 111 : Connection refused
[06:35] <Abhijit> it was working when i had both of them enabled imap and imaps
[06:37] <Abhijit> sarnold, the reason for previous issue was ubuntu was using non standard syntax for ssl_cert without <
[07:13] <Pupp3tm4st3r> hi there
[07:14] <Pupp3tm4st3r> I have one question: Is it possible to create a user - ssh access AND this user has to push data into several directories
[07:14] <Pupp3tm4st3r> example: the user has to push files for webprojects into some vhost directories
[07:15] <Pupp3tm4st3r> but - the rights must fit
[07:15] <Pupp3tm4st3r> that the files will be accessible for www-data
[07:17] <sarnold> the usual approach is to put the user into a group like 'www' or 'web' or something, set the group owner on the directories to 'www' (or whatever you pick), and set the bsdgroups mount property on the filesystem (so the user doesn't have to think to change the groups..)
[07:19] <Pupp3tm4st3r> okay, thank you sarnold
[07:25] <gdi2k> what is the correct way to install grub on a degraded raid1 array?
[07:37] <Pupp3tm4st3r> so I created a user and put it into the right group for the directory - primary group - but the user cannot write
[07:37] <Pupp3tm4st3r> permission denied
[07:37] <Pupp3tm4st3r> so it seams, that the folder is only writable for the user, not the group, right?
[07:37] <Pupp3tm4st3r> *seems
[09:03] <murcha> does anyone now any clue about Vulnerability in NTP (ntpd)
[09:03] <bekks> Can you be just a bit more precise? :)
[09:05] <murcha> The vulnerability is related to the handling of NTP control messages. An attacker could cause a denial of service condition in the ntpd service by sending it a specially crafted configuration message. Remote configuration is disabled by default in ntpd.
[09:10] <bekks> murcha: And do you have a CVE entry, too?
[09:11] <murcha> yes
[09:11] <murcha> bekks: ^
[09:12] <bekks> Cool.
[09:12] <bekks> Whats the price if we guess it?
[09:12] <ObrienDave> prize?
[09:13] <bekks> Or that, yes :)
[09:13] <murcha> bekks: the company has here....so they know about it
[09:14] <bekks> murcha: So what "clue" do you want, if you dont even want to tell us the CVE you are talking about?
[09:14] <murcha> bekks: im a holiday worker
[09:15] <murcha> bekks: what to do if my server is got DoS targeted ntpd?
[09:16] <bekks> You tell us the CVE you are talking about, we tell you wether there is a patch/update, you apply it.
[09:18] <murcha> bekks: i checked ubuntu has released an update for the security issue.
[09:18] <bekks> "the issue".
[09:18] <bekks> Since there is an update, the CVE is plublically released, and it would have been no big deal to tell it.
[09:22] <murcha> i don't have ntpd in my system instead have this /etc/network/if-up.d/ntpdate
[09:34] <Daviey> smoser: Why wasn't the cloudstack/cloud-init password issue treated as a sec upload?
[11:11] <AppAraat> hello, I want to "integrate" my /home partition into the root directory. I chose to encrypt the home of my main user on the machine, but now I want to have it always unencrypted and turn that partition (not the user though!) into just a directory in /
[11:11] <AppAraat> do I have to chroot in to do that?
[13:03] <smoser> Daviey, i dont know. i guess it should have been.
[13:04] <Daviey> smoser: It sounds potentially CVE worthy IMO.
[13:22] <Amillo> Hey guys, would anyone be able to point what I'm missing in here my zone file?
[13:23] <Amillo> My syslog says I'm missing a ;
[13:23] <Amillo> but I can't for the life of my see it
[13:23] <teward> "zone file"?
[13:23] <teward> and you haven't provided the file either
[13:23] <Amillo> working on that now
[13:23] <Amillo> just uploading a screenshot
[13:23] <Amillo> and named.conf.local file
[13:23] <teward> oh
[13:23] <teward> i can probably help with that
[13:24] <teward> screenshots aren't as useful as pastebins, but meh
[13:24] <Amillo> I'm not sure how to paste out of the vm
[13:24] <teward> cat zonefile | pastebinit
[13:24] <Amillo> http://imgur.com/2fbmjVb
[13:24] <teward> gives you a link for the paste :)
[13:24] <teward> yeah use a pastebin instead
[13:24] <Amillo> thats the file
[13:24] <Amillo> Right
[13:24] <Amillo> I'll give that a go :)
[13:25] <teward> you may have to install pastebinit but meh
[13:25] <teward> point not withstanding, you also haven't provided the full error message you get
[13:25] <teward> which also will help
[13:25] <teward> oh
[13:25] <Amillo> yeah was gonna do a pastebin
[13:25] <teward> Amillo: company.co.uk
[13:25] <Amillo> instead of a screenshot
[13:25] <teward> file line
[13:26] <teward> Amillo: you have mismatched quotes
[13:26] <teward> file "/etc/bind/db.company.co.uk;
[13:26] <teward> ^ you need a closing quote
[13:26] <Amillo> I've been stairing at it...
[13:26] <teward> just like the other zones have
[13:26] <Amillo> for about
[13:26] <Amillo> 45 minutes
[13:26] <Amillo> and I didn't notice that....
[13:26] <teward> Amillo: it's always the tiniest things
[13:26] <teward> :P
[13:27] <Amillo> That solved all my errors aha :)
[13:27] <teward> :P
[13:27] <Amillo> when restarting bind9 I get connect failed: <IP_ADDRESS>#953: connection refused [OK]
[13:27] <Amillo> is this bad?
[13:28] <teward> well... does bind9 still respond?
[13:28] <teward> to queries i mean
[13:28] <teward> (I don't have all your configs so I can't say whether it is or isn't)
[13:28] <Amillo> Haven't checked yet
[13:28] <Amillo> Just that it says binding9 starts ok
[13:28] <Amillo> but also connection refused
[13:31] <Amillo> How do I check if I've set my DNS up correctly
[13:31] <Amillo> pinging company.co.uk, returns from the actual site I think
[13:32]  * CiPi fucks teward in /dev/null
[13:48] <teward> Amillo: dig @ip.of.dns.server SOA one.of.the.zones
[13:49] <Pici> CiPi: Mind your language and conduct in #ubuntu channels please. See http://ubottu.com/y/gl/
[13:54] <Amillo> I've set my computer to look at my primary DNS first and done an nslookup company.co.uk
[13:54] <Amillo> and it still returns the actual one
[13:56] <Amillo> http://imgur.com/ZNX6QW0 - not all too sure what I'm looking at here, but it looks to me as though it worked?
[13:57] <CiPi> yeah pici
[13:57] <CiPi> What kind of name is this
[14:53] <hd_chro321> hello,everyone
[14:53] <hd_chro321> Today, I updated my ubuntu 14.04 use cli apt-get update && apt-get -y upgrade
[14:53] <hd_chro321> but after I update done, I found when I reboot my ubuntu 14.04 server, my golang application cannot start
[14:54] <hd_chro321> my golang application start command and package have not change, it is alike "sudo /usr/bin/mtunneld &"
[14:54] <hd_chro321> but whatever I modify start script /etc/rc.local, these golang application cannot automatic start again after I reboot my ubuntu VPS
[14:54] <hd_chro321> but I login to ubuntu 14.04 ssh console, manually run these golang application, it run ok
[14:54] <hd_chro321> I googled found none related to the problem
[14:57] <hd_chro321> I checked ubuntu 14.04 boot log, but found none error
[15:09] <pmatulis> hd_chro321: does it start when you invoke it manually?
[15:11] <hd_chro321> pmatulis:yes when ubuntu 14.04 boot ok, I ssh login terminal, I invoke the golang application, it start ok
[15:12] <patdk-wk> somehting with his env variables or shell path then
[15:13] <hd_chro321> what evn variables ? these cannot automatic start application is golang application
[15:14] <hd_chro321> my rc.local golang scripts all use absolute path
[15:15] <patdk-wk> and everything used by that program uses absolute path?
[15:15] <pmatulis> hd_chro321: i don't think it will help but i would first try a proper upgrade. 'apt-get dist-upgrade' will get you new packages that might need to be pulled in. 'apt-get upgrade' only upgrades existing packages
[15:17] <hd_chro321> pmatulis: sorry my ubuntu 14.04 is VPS, resource is limited, if I update use ci apt-get dist-upgrade, if it will install many newly package, so make my limit VPS too large to run
[15:18] <patdk-wk> that should never happen
[15:18] <hd_chro321> ok, I will try update use apt-get dist-upgrade, I will back a while
[15:23] <cluelessperson> hey guys, how safe is a user account that you set to tunnel only?
[15:23] <hd_chro321> my problem is still exist, after I run the apt-get dist-upgrade, I run very fast, summary report only download 24M, now I have finish upgrade and reboot, my these golang application still have not automatic start
[15:24] <cluelessperson> or is it possible to setup a user account so the only thing they can possibly do is connect a tunnel?
[15:30] <pmatulis> hd_chro321: you will now need to enter into the troubleshooting phase. i recommend the tool 'strace'. to start: https://goo.gl/Ryo3i9
[15:32] <hd_chro321> pmatulis:I will read it
[15:33] <Guest60715> What is the correct way to allow dns port in ufw? Will it slow down the DNS performance?
[15:33] <pmatulis> hd_chro321: good luck. please report back and let us know what you discovered
[15:34] <Guest60715> I have used this rule: ufw allow 53 and had problems.  Could this be the correct command: ufw allow in 53 and ufw allow out 53 ? What else port I need to open for a Standanone production DNS cache Server?
[15:35] <hd_chro321> pmatulis:I need confirm a point, after ubuntu 14.04 boot ok, I ssh login to terminal, I run the golang application, it is run ok, if I still need debug use strace, when ubuntu 14.04 PC boot ok, the application is can run
[15:35] <Guest60715> And how do I check whether UFW loggin is enabled?
[15:35] <Guest60715> Where does it log?
[15:36] <patdk-wk> why would ufw log?
[15:37] <cluelessperson> Guest60715, ufw status numbered
[15:37] <cluelessperson> Guest60715, /var/log/ufw.log
[15:39] <Guest60715> cluelessperson: Could this be the correct command: ufw allow in 53 and ufw allow out 53 ? What else port I need to open for a Standanone production DNS cache Server?
[15:41] <pmatulis> hd_chro321: the idea is to use strace wherever the program does not run properly. in your case it will be from /etc/rc.local
[15:41] <Guest60715> I've enabled UFW Logging. Now Ufw is logging something like this : Jul 24 21:10:02 dns kernel: [ 2341.934090] [UFW BLOCK] IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=33:33:00:00:00:01:4c:5e:0c:54:a7:3f:86:dd SRC=fe80:0000:0000:0000:4e5e:0cff:fe54:a73f DST=ff02:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0001 LEN=171 TC=0 HOPLIMIT=1 FLOWLBL=0 PROTO=UDP SPT=5678 DPT=5678 LEN=131
[15:41] <hd_chro321> pmatulis: ok I will try
[15:41] <Guest60715> Why it logging something like that^ ?
[15:41] <pmatulis> hd_chro321: it would be good to get an strace output for both cases however. a comparison may illuminate
[15:41] <pmatulis> (both cases: working and not-working)
[15:42] <hd_chro321> pmatulis: ok I got it
[15:42] <Guest60715> Do you suggest that removing ufw and using plaing iptables to create rules is a good idea?
[15:43] <patdk-wk> that is just the kernel logging, ufw doesn't log
[15:43] <patdk-wk> ufw is a *tool* to load up rules into iptables
[15:44] <patdk-wk> if you want to log differently, use like, ulog
[15:44] <patdk-wk> no idea how to use ulog in ufw though
[15:47] <Guest60715> patdk-wk: So, when i run: ufw logging off, Im actually telling the kernel to stop logging?
[15:48] <patdk-wk> no
[15:48] <patdk-wk> your telling iptables to stop logging
[15:48] <patdk-wk> and iptables log module uses the kernel
[15:48] <patdk-wk> unless you override it with nlog or ulog
[15:49] <Guest60715> ok.
[15:52] <jdstrand> ufw doesn't support ulog
[15:52] <jdstrand> because ulog doesn't exist for ipv6
[15:52] <ogra_> cant be, they both start with u
[15:52] <Guest60715> patdk-wk: is shorewall a frontend of Iptables too?  Is it like Firewall Builder?
[15:54] <Guest60715> Which used to create firewall rules?
[15:54] <patdk-wk> kindof, but firewallbuilder is simple
[15:55] <patdk-wk> shorewall will take what you want, and compile results, depending on what you want, rules, nat, masq, traffic shaping, and what firewall modules are installed
[15:55] <Guest60715> oh. If iptables is that important why Im able to remove it? If I remove it, will the server go broke?
[15:55] <patdk-wk> no, you just won't have a firewall
[15:56] <jrwren> you won't have the iptables userspace command. iptables is still a feature in the kernel.
[15:56] <patdk-wk> I assumed he was removing the modules :)
[15:56] <Guest60715> Ok, the netfilter module which actually does the filtering will stop working theb.
[15:56] <jrwren> oh, right, sorry.
[15:56] <patdk-wk> it just won't filter
[15:57] <patdk-wk> I have many servers without netfilter loaded on them
[15:57] <Guest60715> Do you needed to compile the kernel to remove the netfilter from those?
[15:57] <patdk-wk> if it's compiled in, you would
[15:58] <Guest60715> In default Ubuntu Server its precompiled I think. Will removing the netfilter enhance the resposiveness of the processes like Bind9?
[15:58] <patdk-wk> it would
[15:59] <patdk-wk> but it would be unmeasurable compared to bind itself
[15:59] <patdk-wk> or you have a really really horrible ruleset loaded
[15:59] <Guest60715> what are the attack surface that I should remove in a DNS server to run it without a firewall.
[16:00] <Guest60715> First one I guess is ssh.
[16:00] <patdk-wk> how many gigabits of dns traffic are you planning on doing?
[16:01] <Guest60715> not GB/s, only 500 pps at max.
[16:01] <patdk-wk> why are you worried about 500pps?
[16:05] <Guest60715> I will be back later patdk-wk , this is the screen name- Capprentice. Right now I have to go.
[16:05] <Guest60715> I will be back with that Screen name.
[16:23] <Amillo> hey guys, is there any obvious reasons why my nslookup would return the IP address - but also the server as a loopback
[16:25] <patdk-wk> shouldn't it?
[16:26] <Amillo> it does work
[16:26] <hd_chro321> pmatulis:I found my question root cause, it is caused by rc2.d a new installed proxy application havenot add & background running, result in all rc2.d process stop running, so also include all the golang application
[16:26] <Amillo> It's just not saying that it came from my server
[16:27] <hd_chro321> pmatulis:now my all application start ok, include all golang application
[16:27] <pmatulis> hd_chro321: there you go. did strace help?
[16:28] <hd_chro321> pmatulis: I added strace script, but the script havenot redirect output, so I find deeper, I find the root cause
[16:28] <hd_chro321> pmatulis:the rc.local script havenot run
[16:31] <hd_chro321> pmatulis: thank you and others, give me important tips, my question resolved, thanks
[16:58] <pcleon> hello everyone
[17:47] <pmatulis> hello
[18:17] <mailserver> does anyone know of any serveces out there that will walk me through setting up a mail server
[18:17] <mailserver> services
[18:17] <mgz> mailserver: you already appear to be one
[18:18] <mailserver> a not very good one
[18:18] <genii> mailserver: You mean for instance a web hosting company that has decent documentation for such things?
[18:20] <mailserver> ive been walking myself through the various different tutorials on the web and havent had any success yet so a support center or something of that nature that can help me figure out what im doing wrong
[18:21] <patdk-wk> a mail server is one of the most complex things to setup
[18:21] <genii> If just for a home server with Ubuntu Server, the normal documentation is usually pretty good. https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/postfix.html  for the Postfix install walkthrough, for instance
[18:23] <mailserver> its for a business trying to transfer mail to an encryption service and their email provider doesnt offer a smart host so they need a mail server to send their outgoing mail to the third party
[18:23] <mailserver> and im currently in the middle of the normal documentation i got linked that last night
[18:29] <JanC> if you only need it for outgoing mail, that's like the easiest possible configuration for Postfix?
[18:30] <pmatulis> mailserver: i don't understand "business wants to send email to an encryption service". explain that
[18:33] <mailserver> instead of smtp to their mail provider they want to smtp to a third party which encrypts their mail.
[18:33] <mailserver> i might just be making a silly mistake i don't know
[18:34] <patdk-wk> janc, easiest to configure in *postfix* yes
[18:34] <genii> They can't just chane the mail entry of their dns records to point to the third party machine?
[18:34] <patdk-wk> but hardest to make work
[18:34] <patdk-wk> due to dns, naming, dkim, spf, ....
[18:35] <mailserver> their mail provider doesnt provide a smart host so no
[18:35] <patdk-wk> what is a smart host?
[18:36] <JanC> "smart host" refers to receiving mail normally?
[18:36] <patdk-wk> dunno
[18:36] <JanC> well, both
[18:36] <patdk-wk> normally smarthost is a sendmail config option to redirect to an msa
[18:36] <JanC> it goes back to dial-up times
[18:36] <patdk-wk> instead of doing direct delievery
[18:37] <JanC> so incoming mail got received by your ISP until you dialled in
[18:37] <patdk-wk> but really, dont understand the issue
[18:37] <patdk-wk> you don't direct mail provider to use other mail provider
[18:37]  * genii sips his coffee and thinks about putting .forward files in the skel directory
[18:37] <patdk-wk> you just change youself to not use provider1, and to use provider2
[18:38] <mailserver> the mail provider we are using wont allow mail to go to a different server even if the dns record are changed the host destination needs to be changed and they wont let that happen on their server
[18:39] <patdk-wk> so we are not talking about smarthost or outgoing mail at all
[18:39] <mailserver> no we are
[18:39] <patdk-wk> no
[18:39] <patdk-wk> dns has nothing to do with outgoing or smarthost
[18:39] <patdk-wk> only incoming
[18:39] <mailserver> any records wont effect it
[18:39] <mailserver> mx
[18:40] <patdk-wk> mx is ONLY used for incoming
[18:40] <patdk-wk> not smarthost or outgoing
[18:40] <mailserver> well i mean to be talking about outgoing
[18:40] <patdk-wk> yes, and mx doesn't matter
[18:40] <patdk-wk> and what either provider does, doesn't matter
[18:40] <patdk-wk> so your issue, is not an issue
[18:40] <patdk-wk> if you are talking about mx, (incoming), then yes, it is an issue
[18:41] <mailserver> it is an issue because it doesnt work
[18:41] <patdk-wk> and the only solution is to get a mail provider that actually does email correctly
[18:41] <patdk-wk> the issue currently is, you don't understand enough about email to explain what doesn't work though
[18:41] <mailserver> thats also true
[18:42] <patdk-wk> first thing you need to do
[18:42] <patdk-wk> is map the path an email takes
[18:42] <JanC> maybe the issue is that their mail provider1 uses DKIM/SPF/etc. and sending mail through (encryption) provider2 gets blocked?
[18:42] <patdk-wk> that is having the issue
[18:42] <patdk-wk> that is a simple dns config change
[18:42] <patdk-wk> nothing to do with the mail provider
[18:42] <JanC> unless mail provider "owns" their DNS  :P
[18:43] <patdk-wk> if provider won't *update* those dns entries
[18:43] <patdk-wk> then you have big issues with provider
[18:43] <patdk-wk> but so far, is sounds like, don't know what we want, to asking provider to do random things
[18:44] <patdk-wk> and provider properly responds with, but that won't work
[18:44] <mailserver> the provider doesnt allow us to put in a relay host
[18:44] <patdk-wk> they shouldn't
[18:44] <patdk-wk> that is the wrong solution to whatever it is your attempting
[18:44] <mailserver> im just explaining it wrong but that is what i need
[18:45] <patdk-wk> no, that is not what is needed
[18:45] <patdk-wk> that is what is needed if you handled email inhouse
[18:45] <patdk-wk> and you owned the servers
[18:45] <patdk-wk> it would be the most simple way to solve the issue
[18:45] <patdk-wk> but since you don't
[18:45] <mailserver> thats what im trying to do
[18:45] <patdk-wk> it won't work
[18:46] <mailserver> why wont it work
[18:46] <patdk-wk> the solution to bring email inside and do it yourself, or to make the changes needed
[18:46] <patdk-wk> are the same
[18:46] <patdk-wk> every single thing that *sends* email, will need to be changed
[18:46] <patdk-wk> currently they point to provider1, and now need to point to provider2
[18:47] <patdk-wk> if you had email setup inhouse, then just setting relayhost to provider2 would do the same result
[18:47] <patdk-wk> assuming everything was configured to send email to the inhouse mail server
[18:47] <mailserver> right
[18:48] <patdk-wk> so not only do you have to setup a mail relay (msa)
[18:48] <patdk-wk> you also have to set it up to do encryption
[18:48] <patdk-wk> and handle user logins, and actully supply it with a user/password database to check those users against
[18:48] <mailserver> right
[18:49] <patdk-wk> hopefully that can be done, considering it exists at provider1 currently
[18:49] <mailserver> provider 1 doesnt allow us to point to provider 2 so it has to be done inhouse to work around provider 1
[18:53] <mailserver> and like you pointed out earlier i am not knowledgable enough to figure out the probably simple mistakes im making and am wondering if there is a service somewhere on the Internet where i can pay some support people and get some help setting it up
[18:55] <JanC> mailserver: your local IT company?
[18:55] <mailserver> i am the local IT company I don't do mail servers very often
[18:59] <teward> with postfix, i have virtual mail aliases set up so i can have<EMAIL_ADDRESS>forward to one address, and<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to forward to another address.  Is there any way to set up SSL/Secure communication on both incoming to the postfix server and outgoing to the destinations
[18:59] <teward> or is that just insane with the type of configuraiton i'm trying to achieve
[19:04] <tarpman> teward: sounds doable. for the server cert (incoming), if people call your server by different names (mail.somedomain.tld and mail.otherdomain.tld), then you need (AFAIK) a single cert with all the names in subjectAltNames
[19:04] <teward> that'll be painful :/
[19:04] <teward> that's 8 domains, i'd need a multidomain cert
[19:04] <tarpman> teward: but if the MX for otherdomain.tld is just mail.somedomain.tld then easy
[19:05] <teward> tarpman: which isn't the case here, the first statement is the current case
[19:05] <tarpman> right
[19:05] <teward> can easily change it if i have to though, the lovely thing about running my own DNS
[19:05] <tarpman> as far as I understand, your options are a multi-domain cert, or an nginx proxy
[19:05]  * teward shivers
[19:05] <tarpman> (and hope all the clients support SNI)
[19:05] <teward> tarpman: what about the other side, the mail server -> other mailservers
[19:06] <teward> handled by the same set of certs?
[19:06] <tarpman> I think that's fairly straightforward. I have it working, but didn't really have to do it myself -- zimbra configures my postfix for me :)
[19:06] <tarpman> but all the servers I talk to have certs the system trusts, so no special setup
[19:33] <tonyyarusso> teward: Yup, you need a multi-domain certain - have fun forking oer some cash.
[19:34] <teward> tonyyarusso: yeah blargh i think i'll just leave it unencrypted and PGP-encrypt messages that need securesent
[19:35] <tonyyarusso> teward: I'm waiting to see what SAN capabilities Let's Encrypt has in September.
[19:36] <clueless> if i setup a server following the help tutorial step by step and when i telnet it times out what could be my issues
[19:38] <clueless> ive changed the default port to 80 in stead of 25 since 25 tends to be blocked
[19:38] <genii> router port forwarding, firewall
[19:38] <clueless> disabled my firewall completely
[19:40] <genii> If you have access to the physical machine see if telnet to localhost or <IP_ADDRESS> works first
[19:40] <clueless> refused
[19:41] <genii> clueless: Are you using telnet as a diagnostic tool for your email setup, or are you just using it as telnet but on 25 or 80,
[19:41] <clueless> diagnostic
[19:42] <genii> Check in /var/log/mail.log
[19:52] <genii> clueless: Find anything enlightening in the log?
[19:53] <clueless> yeah im getting a dovecot fatal error missing file
[19:53] <clueless> dovecot: master: Fatal: service(auth) access(/usr/lib/dovecot/dovecot-auth) failed: No such file or directory
[20:04] <clueless> can you test a relay host with any isp?
[20:05] <clueless> that i have access to
[20:05] <sarnold> email doesn't work like it used to -- you can't realistically expect any mail server to relay your mail for you like you could 25 years ago
[20:06] <clueless> its an inhouse server
[20:06] <sarnold> relays are typically used within one organization, and their working details are mostly not important to senders ...
[20:06] <sarnold> ah, good
[20:07] <patdk-lap> teward, you know, requiring and enforcing smtp to be ssl/tls while sounds like a good idea
[20:07] <patdk-lap> doesn't solve ANY of the issues pgp email protects
[20:11] <genii> clueless: sudo touch /usr/lib/dovecot/dovecot-auth && sudo chmod 755 /usr/lib/dovecot/dovecot-auth & sudo chown dovecot:dovecot /usr/lib/dovecot/dovecot-auth
[20:12] <genii> Apologies on lag, work required me for an extended period
[20:12] <patdk-lap> heh?
[20:12] <patdk-lap> why would you do all of that?
[20:13] <patdk-lap> I really don't understand how an empty file will replace a program
[20:13] <sarnold> what exactly is an empty executable going to do? :)
[20:13] <patdk-lap> heh, what do we know
[20:14] <sarnold> I'm constantly amazed at what I don't know :)
[20:14] <tarpman> probably equivalent to /bin/true
[20:15] <patdk-lap> no
[20:15] <patdk-lap> it's not parsable
[20:15] <tarpman> hmm?
[20:15] <patdk-lap> hmm, looks like bash treats it that way atleast
[20:17] <tarpman> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7268437/bash-script-execution-with-and-without-shebang-in-linux-and-bsd
[20:17] <tarpman> may or may not be applicable in the dovecot case above, depending on whether there's a shell involved
[20:20] <teward> patdk-lap: oh, indeed, but given my current setup i'mma need a multidomain cert
[20:20] <teward> unless i repoint MX to one domain
[20:21] <patdk-lap> ya, they should always be pointed to one hostname in the mx
[20:22] <patdk-lap> even if pointed to different names and using different certs or a multicert
[20:22] <patdk-lap> it will be impossible to know what helo name you should be responding with
[20:26] <teward> mhm
[20:27] <patdk-lap> but pretty much, any server that cares, is misconfigured, but they do exist
[23:51] <alexandercogneau> \quit


[16:51] <JanC> seems like there are quite a bit of issues with gnome shell extensions breaking gnome shell after upgrades, and Gnome Shell just crashes instead of doing something sensible...  :-/
[17:17] <JanC> (and gnome shell crashing on login means people end up with a login loop, which is hard to fix for laypeople)
[21:26] <tomreyn> hey desktoppers, it'd be great to see some form of action plan / strategy discussed on how / whether Ubuntu will handle bug 1827727
[21:26] <ubot5`> bug 1827727 in Mozilla Firefox "All plugins disabled due to expired cert" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1827727
[21:31] <tomreyn> we have workarounds, one of which uses a remote software update mechanism which IMO should not exist in Ubuntu .debs (at least), may require user intervention and does not work reliably, and others which mozilla explicitly asks not to be used since they can interfere with the other approaches. and we have upstream 66.0.4 now. there's no fixed snap, yet (but I would not consider such a fix anyways, not for apt installations).
[22:05] <tomreyn> (i'm assuming this will not be handled by the security team)


[01:48] <mattano> i have just installed mythbuntu and i have no sound output i ran alsamixer and it finds C-Media CMI8738 the sliders move, and the mp3 plays but theres nothing coming out the speakers, anyone know what could be going on?
[02:15] <rhpot1991> is https://help.ubuntu.com down for everyone else?
[02:26] <hansolo669> rhpot1991: nope
[02:28] <rhpot1991> hansolo669: came back up, hiccup or something
[02:29] <hansolo669> rhpot1991: wierd....
[02:49] <jnewt> !help
[02:49] <Zinn> !help For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[02:49] <jnewt> !X Error
[02:49] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about X Error
[02:49] <jnewt> !X
[02:49] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about X
[02:50] <jnewt> ok, i have tried the backend setup, i get http://pastebin.com/d7e6bc0ff in the terminal.  i have tried the frontend, just get a dark grey screen with a lighter grey bar near the bottom.  using ubuntu 9.04 with kde desktop.
[02:51] <jnewt> when i click the frontent, it freezes the mouse and i can do anything without a alt+something to get out.
[04:07] <Shadow__X> hey superm1 do you have the native dell wireless 1505 driver
[04:07] <Shadow__X> i am installing 9.04
[04:07] <jnewt> !ATI
[04:07] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about ATI
[04:18] <superm1> Shadow__X, if it's supported by 'wl', then jockey should be able to enable it
[04:18] <Shadow__X> jockey?
[04:18] <Shadow__X> and how do i know if its supported by wl
[04:18] <Shadow__X> because i am on the live cd and wireless isnt working
[04:22] <superm1> you need to open hardware drivers to check and see if it's listed there
[04:22] <superm1> it would be called "Broadcom STA driver"
[04:22] <superm1> if it was supported
[04:23] <Shadow__X> hardware drivers?
[04:23] <superm1> it's a tool
[04:23] <superm1> in the system menu
[04:24] <Shadow__X> yeah i foud it it has the b43 fwcutter and the sta wireless driver
[04:25] <Shadow__X> wil any of those give n speeds also is the sta driver the same driver from broadcomm
[04:25] <superm1> the sta driver is the one from broadcom
[04:25] <superm1> you should get closer to n speeds with it
[04:26] <Shadow__X> yay dell finally stepped up and is replacing my extremely defective laptop
[04:26] <Shadow__X> the next one will have intell wireless n
[04:26] <Shadow__X> either 5100 or 5300
[04:26] <Shadow__X> i think i am shooting for the 5300
[04:36] <jnewt> anyone familiar with installing the package for the ati drivers from https://launchpad.net/~superm1/+archive/ppa.  i am not sure which files to get, i think i will need many, but not sure...
[04:38] <jnewt> specifically, the difference between GLX runtime and open GL runtime...
[04:58] <jnewt> n/m i found the (all) package that is what i think i need, hope it works.
[05:15] <Shadow__X> superm1, how can i check what video drivers i am using
[05:42] <Shadow__X> i have a x1400 and am on 9.04 what driver choices do i have
[05:54] <jnewt> heh, what goes around...
[05:57] <jnewt> that was the problem i ended up having when you told me to go read the manual....
[06:04] <Shadow__X> jnewt, yeah but if i had a desktop i would get a new card
[06:09] <jnewt> no need, got mine running...
[06:14] <Shadow__X> jnewt, what did you do i did nothing just use export and it works
[09:53] <nasha> Hello everyone. I am having some problems installing a new HVR2200, is anyone able to offer some help?
[12:40] <Konvo_2221> Hi All. Does anyone know of a URL for how to setup twin-tuner picture-in-picture linux mythtv ?
[12:42] <Konvo_2221> Can it actually be done ? And is there a list of digital tuner cards that are fully linux friendly ?
[14:24] <Essobi_> WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!  Mornings are fun.
[15:14] <Shadow__X>  hello everyone i had ubuntu 9.04 last night and it worked fine i  shut off the machine by holding the power button and now i dont get a gui
[15:18] <gregL> Shadow__X,  Check your database..You may have corrupted  it.
[15:19] <Shadow__X> my db is fine x soesnt want to fully load
[16:37] <Essobi> .... missing a module?
[16:38] <Essobi> should  have a log in /var/log/ for X startup..
[16:40] <Shadow__X> Essobi, thansk its fine i did things smarter this time but sep partitons for root /home so i can reinstall without lossing home
[16:43] <Essobi> hehe
[16:43] <Essobi> :)
[16:54] <rhpot1991> Shadow__X: don'
[16:54] <rhpot1991> t shut off your computer like that :)
[16:56] <Shadow__X> rhpot1991, yeah but come on it shouldnt break like that
[16:56] <Shadow__X> fsck didnt turn up any problems
[18:25] <meshe> Shadow__X: i had a problem like that once, it was a file called .xfce-session or something that was causing it
[18:26] <Shadow__X> meshe, but it was gnoem
[18:26] <Shadow__X> gnome*
[18:26] <Shadow__X> or it could still be the same thing
[18:26] <meshe> probably not, mine was a mythbuntu install
[18:26] <Shadow__X> ah ok nope mine was a plain old ubuntu 9.04 isntall
[18:27] <Shadow__X> i am returning this laptop in about 2 weeks and though i could throw a useable os on it
[18:27] <Shadow__X> windows 7 worked except the wireless would go out every 30 minutes or so
[18:27] <meshe> there's a setting in ubuntu that will initiate a proper shutdown with a single press of the power button, you may want to enable that
[18:28] <Shadow__X> hmm maybe it seems to be working now no issue
[18:29] <meshe> System -> Preferences -> Power Management -> General -> When the power button is pressed: Shutdown
[18:29] <meshe> i set that on all my myth boxes
[18:30] <Shadow__X> yeah
[18:30] <Shadow__X> well for once sleep works
[18:30] <Shadow__X> and resumes
[18:30] <meshe> i set my laptops to sleep on cloding the lid
[18:31] <Shadow__X> yeah same here
[18:31] <Shadow__X> btw so my dell is getting replaced with a brand new one and i am going to try and get them to give me their promo pricing on their dell mini 10v and tri boot it
[19:33] <gbee> DPMS etc is disabled by default in mythbuntu?
[19:34] <superm1> gbee, controlled by gnome-screensaver
[19:34] <superm1> (or should be at least)
[19:35] <superm1> i know at some point it wasn't doing it's job and an extra hack got put into a script somewhere (session.sh i think), but i believe that's gone these days
[19:36] <gbee> I've not explicitly enabled anything but it keeps kicking in which is pretty annoying, "xset -dpms" isn't doing it's job
[19:38] <gbee> uninstalling gnome-screensaver should stop it?
[19:39] <gbee> might file this under 'feature requests' disable DPMS/Screensaver in stock mythbuntu :)
[19:39] <superm1> well there is a really weird interaction that goes on
[19:39] <superm1> removing gnome-screensaver probably won't stop it
[19:40] <superm1> no hack in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Emythbuntu/mythbuntu/mythbuntu-default-settings/download/superm1%40ubuntu.com-20090214235950-ek9nnpgd7gcoculk/admin_session.sh-20070704025724-ke5marctr1h515o6-20/session.sh anymore
[19:40] <superm1> so are you restarting mythfrontend after the session starts?
[19:42] <gbee> I have today, but I've had this problem without doing that
[19:42] <gbee> what would be the usual way of disabling dpms in Ubuntu?
[19:47] <superm1> well the same as other distros, but i've found that it's not always effective
[19:47] <superm1> couldn't ever figure out why
[19:47] <superm1> xorg.conf is another way
[19:50] <gbee> hmm, used to have it disabled in xorg.conf, seems to have gone missing so I've re-added it - will see if it has the desired effect
[23:17] <mazda01> having trouble with sound in flash and pulseaudio
[23:17] <mazda01> i have a hda-intel VIA-82XX onboard sound card. can someone please help me?
[23:17] <mazda01> oops, wrong channel. sorry


[00:18] <Riddell> stdin: kdegraphics-kde4, kdenetwork-kde4, kdemultimedia-kde4, kdepim-kde4 uploaded
[00:18] <Riddell> kdegames-kde4 and kdeedu-kde4 too
[00:19] <stdin> I've already uploaded kdegames-kde4 and kdeedu-kde4, I'll do the others now
[00:21] <Riddell> you rock stdin
[00:22] <stdin> yes, I know :p
[00:22] <CheGuevara> heh
[00:33] <CheGuevara> http://www.bramschoenmakers.nl/node/299
[00:33] <CheGuevara> interesting
[00:55] <blizzzek> gn8
[00:55] <CheGuevara> night
[01:05] <limac> whens the kubuntu tutorial
[01:05] <limac> ?
[01:06] <Nightrose> limac: see topic
[01:08] <limac> when?
[01:08] <stdin> "Thursday 13th"
[01:08] <stdin> as it says in the topic
[01:09] <Nightrose> for exact times see https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay
[01:09] <Nightrose> which is also in the topic
[01:15] <CheGuevara> some ppl are so polite
[02:25] <limac> can anyon here tell t=me the procedures of howto fixing a bug?
[02:25] <limac> tell
[02:30] <CheGuevara> huh
[02:31] <stdin> depends on what bug you're on about
[02:47] <limac> like the patching procedures and all that
[02:48] <stdin> there will be a bug triage talk on the 13th from 16:00 to 16:30 UTC
[02:57] <limac> thx
[03:58] <Cyrex> hi everyone, i wanted to know if anyone could join this channel when the tutorials on thursday come
[03:59] <stdin> everyone is welcome to join
[04:00] <Cyrex> thank you
[04:00] <Cyrex> well count me in on that day
[04:00] <Cyrex> ill have my notebook ready to take ideas
[04:00] <stdin> there's some links on the wiki page (in the topic) if you want a head start too
[04:03] <Cyrex> yeap
[04:03] <Cyrex> got them hehe
[08:13] <sebastian^> moin friends :)
[08:15]  * Hobbsee waves
[08:19]  * buz wonders if there are any kde4rc2 packages to give feedback on?
[08:19] <Hobbsee> there's 3.97, but it appears that most of them failed to build in gutsy
[08:37] <Hobbsee> grumble.  someone broke akregator.
[08:38] <Hobbsee> at least, under gnome
[08:39]  * Hobbsee purges tracker
[08:41] <buz> mhh so i would have to install hardy first
[08:41] <buz> may do that tonight :P
[10:23] <mikkael> installing kdebase-dev-kde4 on hardy will remove kdm, konqueror kdesktop and other essential kde3 stuff ? why that :(
[10:26] <Riddell> ah Hobbsee, could you up the priority of the kdepimlibs build?
[10:26] <Riddell> mikkael: because of a transition which I'm currently re-uploading bits to fix
[10:27] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hardy?
[10:27] <Hobbsee> Riddell: looks like some ftbfs for ppa, too
[10:27] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes
[10:27] <mikkael> Riddell: thanks for the info
[10:27] <Hobbsee> rescored
[10:28] <Riddell> whee
[10:30] <mhb> hello
[10:36]  * Hobbsee curses compiz
[10:43] <buz> i gave up on compiz
[10:43] <buz> having xorg crash 4 times a day is not conducive to working
[10:43] <Riddell> try kwin-kde4
[10:47] <Hobbsee> only 4?
[10:47] <Hobbsee> it's hardy and the intel driver and compiz and yeah...it dosen't all play nice
[10:56] <_buz> Riddell: kwin4 refuses to do compositing on my machine
[10:56] <_buz> which is weird considering that compiz works perfectly except for the crashes
[10:57] <_buz> i had planned on filing a bug report
[10:57] <_buz> maybe i should do that now :P
[11:04] <Riddell> grr, hal broke kdepimlibs compile!
[11:56] <manchicken> Morning all you happy people.
[12:01] <Riddell> hola
[12:11] <stdin> Riddell: hmm, doesn't look like thinks went too well last night. kdelibs5-dev doesn't want to install on hardy "kdelibs5-dev: Depends: libopenexr-dev but it is not going to be installed"  gutsy builds went ok except kdemultimedia (only i386 built)
[12:13] <Riddell> stdin: yeah, seems libopenexr transitioned to a new binary package last night
[12:13] <Riddell> I'll look at multimedia in a bit thanks
[12:16] <stdin> oh, and the kdebase from hardy solved the overwrite problems
[12:17] <Riddell> phew, something went right :)
[12:18] <Riddell> stdin: you can just upload kde4libs again to fix the openexr problem if you want
[12:21] <stdin> kde4libs and kdepimlibs built, just everything that depends on them didn't :p but I'll requeue them
[12:24] <Riddell> stdin: yeah but now they need to be rebuilt so they depend on the new libopenexr
[12:25] <Riddell> in hardy
[12:42] <stdin> Riddell: quick question, shouldn't kdelibs5-dev be "Architecture: all" rather than "Architecture: any" ?
[12:44] <Riddell> stdin: -dev packages tend not to be
[12:45] <Riddell> it makes it easier to handle transitions like this libopenexr one for example
[12:46] <stdin> ah, I was just wondering why it downloaded a _i386.deb when I installed
[13:45] <jpatrick> Riddell: kdelibs4-dev is missing a dep: Depends: libopenexr-dev (>= 1.2.2-3) but it is not going to be installed (if you don't know)
[13:46] <Riddell> jpatrick: what version of kdelibs4-dev?
[13:46] <Riddell> 4:3.5.8-4ubuntu3 should be compiled against the new libopenexr
[13:46] <jpatrick> Riddell: lastest one I guess, it's wrecked my buildds
[13:48] <jpatrick> powerpc and sparc builds of tork and ia64 of krita-plugins
[13:51] <Riddell> anything which depends on libopenexr2c2a needs to be rebuilt against the new libopenexr
[13:52] <Serega> Good day
[13:53] <rebugger> hi
[13:53] <Riddell> that includes koffice, with the new kdelibs in I can upload that now
[13:53] <Riddell> hi Serega, rebugger
[13:55] <rebugger> its no problem to Log the channel on the KubuntuTutorialsDay and publish it on the ubuntuusers.de-board? (board of the german-community)
[13:55] <rebugger> or is it?
[13:55] <rebugger> or will there be an official log?
[13:55] <Riddell> rebugger: we'll do that anyway
[13:55] <rebugger> check ;)
[13:56] <Riddell> but doing it yourself would provide a fallback
[13:56] <rebugger> allright, i'll do that
[13:57] <jpatrick> Riddell: odd, how it looks for >= 1.2.2-3 but can't find 1.2.2-4.3
[13:57] <Riddell> jpatrick: it's apt being unclear.  it can find it but it doesn't want to install it (probably because it would require removing something else)
[13:58] <jpatrick> ah, ok, so I'll have to wait
[14:01] <Riddell> jpatrick: krita-plugins will need to wait on koffice 1.6.3-4ubuntu4
[14:01] <Riddell> tork should just need kdelibs 4:3.5.8-4ubuntu3
[14:01] <jpatrick> Riddell: well, I thought I'd pbuild them again, and if they work, I'll ask for a give-back
[14:02] <Riddell> jpatrick: make sure to use archive.u.c not xx.a.u.c and to run pbuilder update
[14:03] <jpatrick> my pbuild's always on archive.*
[14:09] <georg> hallo
[14:09] <jpatrick> hallo georg
[14:25] <Riddell> rebugger: is ubuntuusers.de advertising tutorials day?
[14:25] <rebugger> Riddell: yes, it does it in "Ikhaya" (so is the blog called): http://ubuntuusers.de/ikhaya/838/
[14:26] <Riddell> great
[14:27] <rebugger> ubuntuusers is the biggest german ubuntu-community i guess - great wiki, great board, 55000 users, 1million posts :)
[14:54] <bogdan_> hello.. all my trash:/ remote:/ type paths stopped working after the last updates to hardy .. i think kdelibs4c2a and kdelibs-data were the only important packages updated
[14:58] <bogdan_> umm.. i think the update removed kdebase, kubuntu-desktop and other stuff
[15:01] <smcintyre> That seems counter intuitive
[15:02] <gribelu> what does?
[15:02] <smcintyre> updating kubuntu-desktop removes kubuntu-desktop
[15:03] <gribelu> i ran apt-get update and dist-upgrade
[15:04] <gribelu> this is the log http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47831/
[15:05] <gribelu> and this is what happends when i try installing kdebase .. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47832/
[15:05] <gribelu> seems like some broke dependencies
[15:05] <gribelu> *broken
[15:06] <Hobbsee> ...so, fix it?
[15:06] <Hobbsee> or at least see where the problme actually is
[15:07] <Riddell> it'll be libopenexr
[15:07] <gribelu> clicking on the second link might make that pretty clear
[15:08] <gribelu> anyway.. just reporting
[15:10] <Hobbsee> gribelu: no, that just says that apt could not install a few things - it didn't say why they could not be installed.
[15:10] <Hobbsee> which is the point of interest.
[15:12] <gribelu> well since the update was only uploaded a short while ago i thought someone may know something about it.. as i said i only wanted to report this as it kind of breaks kubuntu badly
[15:14] <Riddell> gribelu: you'll need to wait for kdebase 3.5.8-2ubuntu4 to compile
[15:15] <gribelu> no rush ;)
[15:49] <bddebian> Heya
[16:07] <seele> anyone know if Josef Spillner is on IRC (and what his /nick is?)
[16:11] <mhb> seele: hi
[16:11] <seele> hey
[16:12] <seele> it has been forever, but do you have a few minutes to go over restricted manager? hehe
[16:12] <mhb> now I do :o)
[16:12] <seele> ok great
[16:13] <ScottK> Riddell: Are you doing archive admin stuff?
[16:13] <Riddell> seele: he's not in irc much, I can't even remember his nick
[16:13] <Riddell> ScottK: a bit
[16:13] <seele> Riddell: ok, thanks
[16:14] <ScottK> Riddell: If you have time, I was wondering if you could have a look after Bug 175366 and Bug 156500
[16:18] <Riddell> ok
[16:19] <ScottK> Thanks.  LP is being slow so the bot timed out.
[16:19] <nixternal> hola
[16:19] <ScottK> salut
[16:19] <nixternal> 1 more project to do and this semester is over with!
[16:20] <nixternal> then it is back to KoooooooooBoooooooonToooooooooo
[16:21] <Riddell> nixternal: yay
[16:29] <mhb> nixternal: don't remind me of it :o)
[16:29] <mhb> semester over = examination time
[16:30] <mhb> even less time for the Koo.
[16:33] <nixternal> I have 2 exams next week, but I am not even sweating those
[16:33] <nixternal> C++ and Javascript, 2 easy aces
[16:37] <mhb> nixternal: right.
[16:38] <mhb> nixternal: I've got math analysis, linear algebra and discrete mathematics this year as (oral) exams.
[16:39] <nixternal> ouch
[16:40] <mhb> nixternal: at our faculty, no matter what you study (math, physics, CS) you end up with those ( in the first year)
[16:41] <nixternal> I hate oral exams
[16:41] <nixternal> Linux to the rescue...our professor is so dumb, she can't get Tomcat running...set her up a quick account on my server and put her to work :p
[16:44] <jpatrick> hello nixternal
[16:45] <nixternal> wasabi jpatrick
[17:04] <arekm> hello, is there a workaround for adept "upgrade to new distro" failure where it says there is no new packages?
[17:18] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.  Any chance you'd be willing to NEW the dapper package for dkim-milter?
[17:21] <Riddell> ScottK: I don't see it in dapper-backports New
[17:22] <ScottK> Riddell: Odd.  It wasn't in Dapper before.
[17:22] <ScottK> I'd guess it has to hit a publisher run first or something.
[17:24] <nixternal> man, updates today want to remove everything
[17:25] <coreymon77> huh? was there a major update released recently?
[17:25] <nixternal> kdegraphics packages, oo.o (which I could care less if it removes it)
[17:25] <nixternal> if you are running Hardy, then yes
[17:25] <coreymon77> no
[17:25] <coreymon77> gutsy
[17:25] <blizzzek> bye
[17:27] <Riddell> it's libopenexr
[17:27] <Riddell> let me know what's still a problem
[17:27] <nixternal> anyone use xrandr with kubuntu in here? didn't their used to be a krandr applet or something?
[17:27] <nixternal> Riddell: me?
[17:29] <Riddell> nixternal: anyone :)
[17:30] <nixternal> remove: digikam, kdebase-kio-plugins, kdegraphics-kfile-plugins, kmail, kmailcvt, kmplayer-konq-plugins, knights, koffice, konq-plugins, konqueror, konqueror-nsplugins, kontact, krita, kubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts, libopenexr2ldbl, oo.o, oo.o-base, showfoto, strigi-applet
[17:31] <nixternal> kubuntu-desktop possibly the problem there? it wants to remove that, so then the rest are from the trickle down effect from the meta package? :)
[17:32] <nixternal> heading home, see ya in a bit
[17:32] <ScottK> nixternal: Shouldn't be.  Everything in the metapackage should be a recommends, not a depends.
[17:32] <Riddell> not everything
[17:32] <Riddell> but as I've said, the problem is libopenexr
[18:40] <jpatrick_> Riddell: could you possibly review and upload bug 175336 later?
[18:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 175336 in qtparted "Candidate for version 0.4.5-2ubuntu13" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175336
[19:09] <yuriy> hmm so how about this acting gracefully when disk is full thing :P
[19:11]  * buz burns hardy
[19:23] <innovati> 7.10 is the current ubuntu, is there a roadmap toward the next release anywhere?
[19:33] <blueyed> Is it possible to only build the konsole package for the kdebase source package?
[19:54] <mikkael> its so sad to see all those kde 3.97 packages but i cant install them without removing kdebase-bin-kde3 .. do i just have to wait ?
[19:54] <CheGuevara> i got both installed fine
[19:55] <CheGuevara> what line are u using to install
[19:55] <mikkael> sudo aptitude install kdebase-dev-kde4
[19:55] <mikkael> on hardy
[19:56] <CheGuevara> unless u plan to develop KDE 4 u can just get kdebase-kde4
[19:56] <CheGuevara> and kdebase-workspace along with kdebase-runtime
[19:56] <yuriy> innovati: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy
[19:56] <innovati> yuriy: thanks
[19:56] <CheGuevara> kde4-core from universe should be able to pull needed things in for u as well
[19:57] <yuriy> innovati: also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[19:57] <mikkael> i got problems with dependencies
[19:57] <innovati> yuriy: <3
[19:58] <CheGuevara> mikkael, pastebin.ca the output
[19:58] <mikkael> here, sorry it's german http://de.pastebin.ca/812451
[19:59] <CheGuevara> #
[19:59] <CheGuevara> Die folgenden Pakete werden ENTFERNT:
[19:59] <CheGuevara> #
[19:59] <CheGuevara>   kdebase-bin-kde3
[19:59] <CheGuevara> that means removed right?
[19:59] <mikkael> yeah
[20:00] <mikkael> whats that libopenexr stuff ?
[20:00] <mikkael> i upgraded today from gutsy to hardy, maybe there lies my problem
[20:01] <ScottK> earlier Riddell said libopenexr is currently broken.
[20:02] <CheGuevara> is kdebase-bin-kde3 even needed?
[20:02] <CheGuevara> i don't have it installed
[20:07] <mikkael> im lost in dependency hell
[20:08] <CheGuevara> damn libopenexr, dist-upgrade is b0rked for me as well, though am sure Riddel knows about it
[20:12]  * nixternal does the Java is working with a cheap hack/work around dance!
[20:12] <nixternal> CheGuevara: yes, already knows :)
[20:12] <CheGuevara> we shall wait then :P
[20:12] <mikkael> i think ill try removing libopenexr2c2a, this will remove kubuntu-desktop and kdegraphics-kfile-plugins
[20:13] <nixternal> I was getting close to installing a workable distro for a second, but thank goodness for someone in the forums
[20:13] <CheGuevara> mikkael, just leave it until its fixed
[20:13] <mikkael> dont know how important the kdegraphics-kfile-plugins package is
[20:14] <fdoving> nixternal: which distro? - hardy?
[20:16] <nixternal> said distro, not release :p
[20:16] <fdoving> ah.
[20:16] <fdoving> oh well, i've got mandriva and opensuse in virtualbox.
[20:17] <nixternal> I have Fedora 8, Debian, Foresight, Kubuntu, and Ubuntu headless running KDE 4 on my desktop
[20:17] <fdoving> but i've got too much apt/dpkg in my blood to enjoy using them.
[20:17] <nixternal> but I need stability for my laptop and it hasn't been there since the dist-upgrade to Hardy
[20:17] <nixternal> usually during a development cycle I have no problems
[20:17] <nixternal> but thus far in Hardy, it has been far worse than anything in the past
[20:18] <nixternal> fdoving: I am the same, it is so hard to like anything other than apt/dpkg
[20:18] <fdoving> yep.
[20:18] <nixternal> although I must say, the Fedora crew rocked out KDE with Fedora 8...super fast and stable
[20:18] <fdoving> i've come to the conclusion, that for me, debian is the only alternative to *buntu.
[20:19] <nixternal> no doubt
[20:19] <fdoving> untill the kids grow up and i stop working, get some free time to learn something new.
[20:19] <nixternal> ya, with Fedora, all I can do is use it, nothing more than that
[20:21] <nixternal> wth is up with nspluginviewer constantly crashing
[20:29] <fdoving> nixternal: you have a new flash version. it sux.
[20:29] <fdoving> nixternal: that is, konqueror doesn't support XEmbed or something like that. which the new flash requires.
[20:30] <fdoving> downgrade to the gutsy flashplugin and it all works.
[20:31] <fdoving> you probably need to copy /var/cache/flashplugin-nonfree/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz from a gutsy machine.
[20:31] <fdoving> or ask me to get it.
[20:31] <fdoving> as adobe replaced it with a new one on their servers.
[20:32] <fdoving> so everyone installing flashplugin-nonfree in gutsy will get a constantly crashing flash... or no flash, as the package probably finds it doesn't match the md5sums it should.
[20:32] <fdoving> bad adobe.
[20:36] <nixternal> fdoving: you rock :)
[20:36] <fdoving> i was lucky. tried to upgrade to the new flash the other day.
[20:36] <nixternal> I was just updating, not paying attention...today was the first day I went through and paid attention :)
[21:01] <buz> hmm hardy still has no drivers for my soundcard :P
[21:02] <Riddell> buz: report a bug?
[21:02] <buz> Riddell: that was pretty much useless in case of feisty
[21:02] <buz> and there were lots of reports
[21:03] <buz> eventually someone came up with a half working package
[21:03] <Riddell> there's a larger linux team now
[21:03] <ScottK> buz: Whining on IRC is even less likely to be successful.
[21:03] <Riddell> and it's got to be better than complaining here where we have about zero linux developers :)
[21:03] <buz> i'm not really whining, more astonished :P
[21:03] <ScottK> ;-)
[21:04] <buz> (i can trivially fix it by compiling alsa)
[21:04] <ScottK> buz: If you can supply a patch with your bug, your odds of satisfaction go WAY up.
[21:04] <CheGuevara> buz, is it ALCxxx forgot the numbers
[21:04] <buz> no its STAC920X
[21:04] <buz> ScottK: patch is called "update alsa to 1.0.15"
[21:05] <CheGuevara> it is updated to 1.0.15 in hardy
[21:05] <buz> mhh
[21:05] <buz> then why am i not seeing /dev/dsp
[21:05] <CheGuevara> cheguevara@cheguevara-laptop:~/Desktop$ alsactl --version
[21:05] <CheGuevara> alsactl version 1.0.15
[21:06] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php RC 2 out (mostly)
[21:06] <buz> lol
[21:06] <buz> i was just typing the question about that one :P
[21:07] <buz> ah well hardy is gonna come in handy for testing no matter what
[21:08]  * jpatrick damns the fact that we've packaged just about ever good kapp out there
[21:09] <CheGuevara> ah ur not telling ppl to install -dev packages
[21:09] <CheGuevara> good :P
[21:09] <ardchoille> I have, or at least I believe I have, completed most of the requirements to become an Ubuntu member. Which meeting must I attend to complete the process?
[21:10] <ardchoille> Is it this Thursday?
[21:10] <jpatrick> ardchoille: it's... today!
[21:10] <limac> does anyone know the conversion factor of the UTC time zone and the eastern timezone?
[21:10] <ScottK> ardchoille: Ubuntu member or Kubuntu member?
[21:10] <ScottK> limac: US?
[21:10] <CheGuevara> limac, google might
[21:10] <CheGuevara> :P
[21:10] <limac> ScottK= yes
[21:10] <ScottK> limac: -0500 right now
[21:11] <ardchoille> ScottK: I wasn't aware there were two. I use kubuntu, so probably kubuntu member. Where do I need to be?
[21:11] <limac> good idea
[21:11] <limac> :D
[21:12] <Riddell> ardchoille: great, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings
[21:12] <Riddell> Wednesday 12th Demember at 23:00 UTC
[21:12] <limac> CheGuevara and ScottK: Got it  it's 5 hours! :)
[21:12] <gribelu> are the hardy kde4rc2 packages up? for rc1 it took ages
[21:12] <ardchoille> Riddell: Thank you
[21:12] <jpatrick> gribelu: see above^^
[21:13] <ScottK> The other option is to get Ubuntu member and then whine to Hobbsee until she marks you down as a Kubuntu member too.
[21:13] <ardchoille> ScottK: Ok, Ubuntu member is where I'd like to be.
[21:13] <gribelu> i did see but the kubuntu announcement only mentions gutsy
[21:14] <CheGuevara> if u use hardy you should've gotten rc 2 some days ago
[21:14] <jpatrick> gribelu: those are the backports of the hardy
[21:14] <ScottK> ardchoille: Then you need to add yourself to the community council meeting agenda, IIRC.
[21:14] <gribelu> ah cool.. i was just asking because last time the packages were out for gutsy first and hardy last (way later(
[21:15] <CheGuevara> ok i am confused now
[21:15] <CheGuevara> Riddell, do hardy users need to do apt-get remove kdelibs5
[21:16] <ardchoille> ScottK: Already done I believe.
[21:17] <ScottK> OK.
[21:20] <Riddell> ScottK: meh, he should be a kubuntu member
[21:20] <Riddell> CheGuevara: I expect there's overlapping files
[21:20] <buz> whats the thing with "kdebase-bin-kde3"
[21:21] <ScottK> Riddell: But if you go the get Ubuntu member and whine to hobbsee approach, then there's the added thrill of danger involved.
[21:21]  * buz hopes he got the update right
[21:22] <CheGuevara> Riddell: http://pastebin.ca/812541 does that look right
[21:22] <buz> CheGuevara: looks like what it did to me
[21:22] <buz> we'll see shortly if it was right
[21:23] <buz> wait a few seconds if you want to know what happens :P
[21:23] <CheGuevara> lol kk
[21:23] <gribelu> so umm .. about kde4rc2 on hardy.. installing kdebase-workspace kdebase-runtime doesn't work (dependencies missing) but installing kdelibs5 works. Is that normal?
[21:24] <CheGuevara> kdebase-workspace kdebase-runtime are installed fine here
[21:25] <CheGuevara> which deps are missing?
[21:25] <gribelu> i'll paste, one sec
[21:25] <buz> after login in kdm i get a black screen then get bumped back to kdm
[21:25] <CheGuevara> buz: workies? :P
[21:25] <CheGuevara> oh
[21:25] <CheGuevara> whats .xsession-errors saying?
[21:26] <gribelu> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47875/
[21:26] <buz> looks to me like x is crashing really
[21:27] <CheGuevara> gribelu, thats on hardy?
[21:27] <gribelu> yup
[21:27] <gribelu> i even have the ppa repo with hardy
[21:27] <buz> yup x crashes
[21:28] <CheGuevara> that could be the problem
[21:28] <CheGuevara> u only need the hardy repos not ppa
[21:28] <gribelu> one sec
[21:28] <gribelu> same thing
[21:29] <CheGuevara> u did apt-get update after u removed the ppas?
[21:29] <gribelu> this is my sources.list http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47879/
[21:29] <gribelu> and yes, i did
[21:29] <buz> startkde does something weird
[21:30] <buz> http://pastebin.ca/812552
[21:30] <CheGuevara> buz, post ur startkde
[21:31] <CheGuevara> on pastebin
[21:31] <buz> lemme try again
[21:31] <buz> i will reinstall kde4rc2 first
[21:31] <CheGuevara> the startkde has a typo
[21:31] <CheGuevara> that removes the current path env
[21:31] <CheGuevara> which is why it's not finding those programs
[21:33] <buz> export PATH=/usr/lib/kde4/bin/:ATH THATS the typo yes
[21:33] <buz> but easily fixed
[21:33] <CheGuevara> yeah :P
[21:33] <Riddell> I should have fixed that
[21:33] <Riddell> gutsy or hardy?
[21:34] <gribelu> CheGuevara: i pasted my repos up there somewhere.. forgot to 'call' your name
[21:34] <buz> yeah now it works
[21:34] <buz> gutsy
[21:34] <CheGuevara> yeah was just looking at them, everything looks fine
[21:34] <stdin> Riddell: both I'd guess  "echo export PATH=/usr/lib/kde4/bin/:$PATH >> debian/tmp/usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde"  in debian/rules
[21:35] <CheGuevara> if u did apt-get update then my only guess would be that the hardy repo packages accidentally depend on ppa packages
[21:35] <CheGuevara> though i am sure that's not the case
[21:35] <gribelu> CheGuevara: this is the error after removing the ppa http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47880/
[21:36] <gribelu> different package names, but same packages
[21:36] <gribelu> i mean versions not names
[21:36] <CheGuevara> yeah that looks more right :P
[21:36] <gribelu> and the repos are exactly the ones above
[21:37] <gribelu> ah.. this looks right you say? :)))
[21:37] <CheGuevara> as in the ppa postfix is gone :P
[21:39] <gribelu> CheGuevara: so should i wait for the packages to make their way into the repos or is there something wrong with my setup (i doubt it?)
[21:39] <CheGuevara> gribelu, did u have kde rc1 installed?
[21:39] <CheGuevara> kdebase-runtime 4:3.97.0-1ubuntu3 been in archives since dec 08
[21:39] <CheGuevara> so I don't see how its a repo problem
[21:41] <gribelu> CheGuevara: no
[21:41] <gribelu> as in i didn't have rc1
[21:41] <buz> mhh now i get white frames when i try to activate opengl compositing :P
[21:41] <CheGuevara> i had to disable compositing in Xorg to get kde 4 to start
[21:42] <buz> well in rc1 it simply told me i had no compositing
[21:42] <CheGuevara> right let me delete kdelibs5 on my system
[21:42] <buz> never mind that compiz works
[21:42] <gribelu> i guess i'll just skip rc2 as well.. no reason to waste your time
[21:42] <CheGuevara> yeah same here
[21:42] <jpatrick> Riddell: I believe it didn't work because CAPS vars have to have () in the rules file
[21:42] <buz> yeah i guess that works
[21:44] <buz> CheGuevara: what graphics card do you have
[21:44] <CheGuevara> intel
[21:44] <buz> which one
[21:45] <buz> i have the 965 AKA GMA X3100
[21:45] <CheGuevara> 945 GM
[21:46] <CheGuevara> i bet the kde 4 compositing gets less testing on intel then ati/nvidia
[21:47] <buz> which is slightly absurd but never mind :
[21:47] <buz> P
[21:47] <nixternal> CheGuevara: I just now caught your name...I took some flack for wearing an 'El Che' t-shirt from the student union on campus
[21:48] <CheGuevara> heh
[21:48] <nixternal> I think I have worn that shirt out by now
[21:48] <CheGuevara> i got some yesterday on this chan :P
[21:48] <nixternal> after they gave me flack, I wore it for a week straight
[21:48] <buz> weird student union
[21:48] <CheGuevara> lol
[21:48] <buz> usually they are as leftist as one could possibly be
[21:48] <nixternal> ya, I got on them for atempting to supress my freedom of speach and expression :)
[21:49] <CheGuevara> lol lol
[21:49] <nixternal> one of these days, I will finally spell speech correctly
[21:49] <CheGuevara> right let me reboot and see what this did to my system
[21:49] <nixternal> I just finished a paper on DRM, and every time I used the word, it was spelled wrong
[21:50] <buz> in what area?
[21:50] <claydoh> hmmp freedom of speech. try wearing a Mets tshirt up here in the NE in 1986 :)
[21:50] <gribelu> a little problem with the latest updates (after the previous update uninstalled kubuntu-desktop: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop doesn't work because it depends on kdegraphics-kfile-plugins and that depends on libopenexr2c2a (>= 1.2.2) which can't be installed
[21:50] <claydoh> might as well been wearing a Che t shirt lol
[21:51] <nixternal> claydoh: hahahaha
[21:51] <nixternal> I wear a cubs shirt, so I usually get the sympathy effect
[21:51] <claydoh> heh
[21:51] <nixternal> buz: Fair Use
[21:52] <buz> so law?
[21:52] <nixternal> a bit of it, yes
[21:52] <jpatrick> gribelu: it's a transition, it's been worked on
[21:52] <gribelu> jpatrick: thanks, just making sure the right people knew about it
[21:52] <nixternal> it was more toned down so people who never heard of it could understand just how bogus DRM is, and the facts and figures the copyright industries are using to back their fight are skewed
[21:53] <buz> personally i think they make those numbers up
[21:53] <buz> (to not use an even worse way of saying it)
[21:53] <nixternal> RIAA reported that the industry has lost billions of dollars, yes for the past 10 years, the copyright industry has provided a steady increase in the GDP of the US
[21:53] <claydoh> drm lol. I work at Wendy's and they are doing a Rhapsody tie in, free music
[21:53] <nixternal> the IIPA actually creates the real facts, and they are out of Washington, so I was expecting to see facts and figures that would agree with the RIAA, but I was shocked to find the opposite
[21:54] <claydoh> first thing I told my boss is some people will be complaining that thay can't play the stuff on their ipods
[21:54] <Riddell> gribelu: updated kdegraphics should be compiling now
[21:54] <claydoh> so Wendy's recently sent a mail to all the stores/franchises about it recently
[21:55] <nixternal> Riddell: great job on getting all of the K* stuff fixed with openexr!
[21:56] <nixternal> I just checked after an update, and all but 2 things were left, but should be fixed after kdegraphics finishes
[21:56] <cheguevara> ok KDE4 vanished from KDM sessions list
[21:56] <nixternal> now Chris just needs to rebuild OO.o
[21:58] <Riddell> cheguevara: does /usr/share/xsessions/kde4.desktop point to a file that is executable
[21:59] <cheguevara> Riddell, basically apt-get remove kdelibs5 seems to have deleted all or most of KDE 4
[21:59] <gribelu> cheguevara: i found my problem.. so for example kdebase-runtime depended on kdebase-runtime-bin (which "is not going to be installed").. so kdebase-runtime-bin depends on libopenexr2c2a (>= 1.2.2) and that was broken by an earlier hardy update
[21:59] <cheguevara> and i can't install back kdebase-workspace kdebase-runtime 'cause i get exact some dep problems as gribelu now
[21:59] <gribelu> the update that removed kdebase, kubuntu-desktop an so on
[21:59] <gribelu> aaahaaa
[21:59] <gribelu> !!
[21:59] <gribelu> :)))
[22:00] <cheguevara> yep
[22:00] <cheguevara>   kdebase-runtime-bin: Depends: libopenexr2c2a (>= 1.2.2) but it is not going to be installed
[22:00] <gribelu> libopenexr killed everything all day today
[22:01] <gribelu> someone will be spanked
[22:01] <cheguevara> so Riddell needs to fix kdebase-runtime I believe
[22:01] <stdin> -workspace actually
[22:02] <gribelu> there was a bad build earlier today.. and all hell broke loose
[22:02] <Riddell> fixing kde4 packages for libopenexr is waiting on hal to be fixed so kdepimlibs can compile
[22:02] <cheguevara> kdebase-runtime-bin is in kdebase-runtime isn't it?
[22:02] <cheguevara> oh right Riddell
[22:02] <gribelu> is there any specific time of day/week/month when it's safe to upgrade? :)
[22:03] <cheguevara> weekends unless someone b0rked smthing on friday lol
[22:03] <gribelu> so, no
[22:03] <stdin> depends on the position of the moon over uranus
[22:03] <cheguevara> lol
[22:03] <gribelu> :))
[22:03] <cheguevara> right so no KDE 4 for us today lol
[22:03] <nixternal> I thought the moon was made up of uranus
[22:03] <nixternal> you can't moon without uranus
[22:04] <buz> weird
[22:04] <nixternal> ya it was
[22:04] <buz> now it kde4 crashes again after login
[22:04] <claydoh> but makes sense...
[22:06] <gribelu> for the people that got to try kde4rc2... is it usable or pretty much the same as rc1?
[22:06] <buz> ok, maybe one should suggest that people nuke ~/.kde4 if they see weird issues
[22:06] <buz> gribelu: i'm trying to figure that one out
[22:06] <cheguevara> its pretty usable imho
[22:06] <cheguevara> been running it for the last couple of days full time
[22:07] <gribelu> hm that's good news
[22:07] <cheguevara> but then i was running rc1 full time as well :P
[22:07] <gribelu> oh
[22:07] <gribelu> poo
[22:07] <buz_kde4> seems more useable than rc1
[22:07] <buz_kde4> but still nowhere near kde 3.5
[22:08] <cheguevara> ability to have icons on desktop would be nice though :P
[22:08] <gribelu> i don't use them so that's ok
[22:09] <buz_kde4> actually being able to use a browser would help
[22:09] <cheguevara> firefox?
[22:09] <buz_kde4> respectively being able to launch it from kickoff
[22:09] <gribelu> "but it's so pretty"
[22:09] <cheguevara> would be even more pretty if the compositing stuff worked :P
[22:09] <gribelu> the rc tag isn't what it used to be
[22:10] <cheguevara> a month left till release
[22:10] <cheguevara> and plasma is still not feature complete
[22:10] <buz_kde4> there are serious redrawing issues with some apps
[22:10] <gribelu> but somehow i guess they had to force people into paying more attention to kde4 development
[22:10] <cheguevara> http://games.kde.org/new/counter/
[22:11] <buz_kde4> rc2 feels about beta1 like
[22:11] <limac> hey try looking at this linux based computer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASUS_Eee_PC: with kde!
[22:11] <gribelu> it's a computer
[22:12] <gribelu> great article there though
[22:12] <cheguevara> when oh when will https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hardy-changes/2007-December/003114.html show up in adept :P
[22:12] <cheguevara> so i can finally use wifi with .24
[22:13] <buz> you can use wifi with .24
[22:13] <buz> not very hard, really
[22:13] <gribelu> i'm still trying to disable nvidiafb so i can use the real nvidia driver
[22:13] <gribelu> on .24
[22:13] <cheguevara> not intel wifi
[22:13] <cheguevara> the firmware is missing
[22:13] <buz> sure you can
[22:13] <cheguevara> well yeah i know i can
[22:13] <buz> you just need to copy the firmware in the right place
[22:13] <buz> thats how i use wifi on 23.9
[22:15] <buz> but since i cant compile alsa against .24 i dont have sound with that one
[22:15] <gribelu> as they said on the forums .. Let our development team work and "its ready when its ready"...
[22:15] <gribelu> :|
[22:16] <gribelu> bad grammar too
[22:17] <buz> "You may get only white rectangles if DRI is not enabled or fails to initialize"
[22:17] <buz> mhh but glxinfo says direct rendering works
[22:19] <gribelu> i have an unrelated question.. when will the kdesudo package be fixed?
[22:19] <cheguevara> whats wrong with it
[22:20] <gribelu> well.. it doesn't work in kcontrol, gdebi-kde or anything of that kind
[22:20] <gribelu> i always install the gutsy package
[22:21] <gribelu> there are at least 3 bug reports that i know of
[22:21] <gribelu> hardy has 1.4 and gutsy has 1.1
[22:21] <jpatrick> gribelu: I could ask for a backport
[22:22] <cheguevara> hmm i just fount an interesting bug
[22:22] <cheguevara> if u don't have xorg.conf
[22:22] <jpatrick> gribelu: but is it not in security?
[22:22] <cheguevara> or if it doesn't have certain sections
[22:22] <gribelu> 1.4 throws a "command not found" error message right after i give it my password
[22:22] <cheguevara> Monitor & Displace in kcontrol doesn't load at all
[22:22] <cheguevara> *Display
[22:22] <gribelu> it works if i run it directly like "kdesu kate" or whatever
[22:24] <gribelu> no it just dies after requesting the password (for example, administrator mode in kcontrol)
[22:24] <gribelu> 1.1 from gutsy repos just works with no problems..
[22:24] <gribelu> how do i request a backport?
[22:25] <jpatrick> gribelu: I think the updates were bug/security fixes tho
[22:26] <gribelu> i'm just asking because many days went past since the bug surfaced
[22:26] <gribelu> and nothing happend
[22:26] <jpatrick> have you filed a bug against kdesudo?
[22:27] <gribelu> when i tried to i found about 3-4 bug reports about it.. and i just posted the solution to one of them
[22:27] <gribelu> the solution is to install the gutsy package
[22:27] <gribelu> unfortunately i have to do that everytime i run dist-upgrade :)
[22:29] <gribelu> i think the recent kdesudo doesn't support some of the old kdesu arguments
[22:29] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/burning.jpg  <- have to admit, that is kind of cool, caught me by surprise as I had never noticed it before
[22:29] <gribelu> puffy
[22:29] <gribelu> looks like crap :)))
[22:31] <nixternal> haha
[22:32] <gribelu> at least their compositing thing is stable... or maybe not because windows still crashes and noone knows why
[22:34] <cheguevara> and it doesn't work at all on intel
[22:36] <gribelu> not working = stable!
[22:41] <gribelu> anyway.. this is kdesudo bug i was talking about. The title isn't all that cool https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdesudo/+bug/172749
[22:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 172749 in kdesudo "Error kdesudo command not found when installing deb packages" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[22:41] <gribelu> that's the one :)
[22:42] <Riddell> tonio is doing kdesudo
[22:42] <gribelu> good for him
[22:44] <gribelu> i thought more people would've hit this bug
[22:44] <gribelu> it's pretty old by now
[22:46] <jpatrick> gribelu: what does "gdb kdesudo kate" give?
[22:46] <gribelu> one sec
[22:48] <gribelu> it doesn't like kate
[22:48] <gribelu>  /home/bogdan/kate: No such file or directory.
[22:49] <jpatrick> just kdesudo kate in the console?
[22:49] <gribelu> ah that works
[22:49] <gribelu> it only dies in apps like kcontrol that 'summon' it
[22:50] <gribelu> launching user control from kcontrol uses this command: /usr/bin/kdesu --nonewdcop -n -d -iuserconfig.png /usr/bin/kcmshell System/userconfig --embed-proxy 44040972 --lang en_US
[22:50] <jpatrick> hell?
[22:50] <gribelu> running that command in konsole it says: kdesu: Unknown option '--embed-proxy'.
[22:51] <stdin> gribelu: I think I ran into that, I used "kdesudo -- command --command --options"
[22:51] <jpatrick> ah, shell..
[22:51] <stdin> (I think)
[22:51] <gribelu> don't know if what i'm saying helps
[22:52] <gribelu> but running administrator mode from kcontrol should make everything clear
[22:52] <gribelu> on hardy that is
[22:53] <gribelu> or installing a package from gdebi... or running the update manager
[22:58] <gribelu> jpatrick: ignore what i said above about running in shell and '--embed-proxy'.. it has the same behavior with 1.1
[22:58] <gribelu> something else must be at fault
[22:58] <gribelu> if you need me to run some command just shoot
[23:08] <stdin> Riddell: we need uses to run "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" before installing the kde4 packages, otherwise they won't get the new kdebase and will get overwrite errors
[23:12] <ltmon> Riddell, stdin: there's an error on line 3 of /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde in the just released packages in case it hasn't been spotted yet
[23:13] <stdin> ltmon: yeah, we spotted that a little while ago
[23:13] <ltmon> ok np :)
[23:34] <nosrednaekim> yay! RC2! thanks!


[00:12] <cyphermox> what dir?
[00:18] <cyphermox> ahoneybun: the commands I gave you will do everything for you; after you've branched lp:ubiquity, you 'cd ubiquity', then 'make -C d-i/ update' and what is required will be downloaded automatically for you. This is necessary because what ubiquity does is make use of parts from d-i, they need to be in sync rather than having to do changes in two places when they affect both desktop and server
[00:18] <cyphermox> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23109690/
[00:18] <cyphermox> ^ this is part of a typescript of me running through the steps, it works.
[00:45] <ahoneybun> I know the logic, just saying on LP it does not
[00:45] <ahoneybun> I know that is works
[01:38] <cyphermox> I don't understand what you're saying; ubiquity clearly builds fine here, and in the archive. if it doesn't work for you, best is to share exactly what you do, somewhere like in a pastebin. I'm going to bed now though
[04:44] <CarlFK> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ubuntu-installer/amd64/linux and initrd.gz
[04:44] <CarlFK> segfault in libresolve-2.19
[04:45] <CarlFK> but not right away.  it is able to wget my early script.. hmm.. stand by for more.
[05:23] <CarlFK> anna[3859]: DEBUG: retrieving libc6-udeb 2.19-0ubuntu6.9 ... anna[3859]: DEBUG: retrieving libcryptsetup4-udeb 2:1.6.1-1ubuntu1
[05:23] <CarlFK> kernel: [   32.624724] wget[5138]: segfault at 14 ip 00007f2ac2defd46 sp 00007fff68531710 error 6 in libresolv-2.19.so[7f2ac2de4000+17000]
[05:25] <CarlFK> not sure what more or where to report.
[13:54] <jalt> Hi, how can I debug ubiquity/success_command post-preseeded-install? I had it working fine and now it doesn't seem to be running anymore, and I'm not sure what changed. I checked the logs at /var/log/installer and I can't seem to find anything related to success_command. Any tips?
[14:01] <cyphermox> you could run the installer again with 'debug-ubiquity' added on the kernel command-line as you boot; that will write a bit more stuff to the logs in /var/log/installer/debug.
[14:01] <cyphermox> perhaps one of the commands necessary wasn't found?
[14:01] <cyphermox> or failed early so the rest of the script didn't run?
[14:03] <jalt> that was my initial thought, but now there is only a single command. i'll add debug-ubiquity and see if more info comes out.
[14:04] <cyphermox> what's the command?
[14:04] <jalt> eject ;)
[14:04] <cyphermox> have you looked at syslog too?
[14:04] <cyphermox> hrm
[14:05] <cyphermox> I suppose eject may have changed a bit? I recall some bug from a while ago
[14:05] <jalt> all was working fine yesterday, and the changes i did to the preseed file should have not caused any trouble.
[14:05] <jalt> nah, eject was working well for the past two weeks
[14:06] <cyphermox> right, then the other changes must have affected it ;)
[14:06] <jalt> i probably messed up somewhere, but it's hard to debug without any useful info in /var/log/installer
[14:06] <cyphermox> otherwise, if you're doing installs of the devel release, other things in the set of packages we install may have broken
[14:06] <cyphermox> jalt: I usually look at syslog there; and much less dm
[14:06] <jalt> no, xubuntu 16.04.1 desktop iso
[14:07] <cyphermox> syslog typically has quite a lot of the required information
[14:07] <jalt> it has no information about the success_command
[14:08] <jalt> debug has some info about some of the debconf stuff, but that's about it
[14:08] <cyphermox> the debug log would have to mention it; success_command is retrieved from debconf
[14:08] <jalt> it never mentioned it, even when it was working
[14:08] <cyphermox> can you share the logs?
[14:08] <jalt> sure, once the current install finishes
[14:10] <jalt> in the meantime, here's the preseed: http://pastebin.com/7TCBtQwR
[14:19] <jalt> hmm logs are too big for pastebin
[14:21] <jalt> the debug-unity added some stuff that shows that the success_command was read from the preseed file, but nothing about it running or not.
[14:36] <cyphermox> jalt: should eject really be in-target?
[14:36] <cyphermox> seems to me like it probably doesn't need to be
[14:37] <cyphermox> (in-target is a chroot, with /dev probably bound-mounted into it; eject on the "real" system should work fine)
[14:37] <jalt> hmm that is a good point. in any case, i restored an older version of my preseed and that one worked
[14:38] <jalt> the diff is minimal, most of it comments, so maybe it's some issue with spaces or newlines... i'll investigate a bit further. thank you for the help cyphermox
[14:38] <cyphermox> did you change the tasksel line?
[14:39] <jalt> nope, that one isn't even read. i keep it there as a label mostly
[14:39] <cyphermox> oh, right, you're using a CD with a livefs, obviously
[14:41] <jalt> actually a dd'ed usb drive, but same difference.
[14:50] <jalt> hmm i might have spot the culprit: a stray space between string and the command though it should not matter to have it preceding the command... ("Put only a single space or tab between type and value: any additional   whitespace will be interpreted as belonging to the value.")
[15:14] <cyphermox> spaces in commands shouldn't matter
[15:22] <jalt> and yet they did and it's now working again, cyphermox.
[15:27] <cyphermox> interesting
[15:27] <jalt> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


[05:57] <FourDollars> hi, does anyone know which code fragment generates http://www.flickr.com/photos/fourdollars/6891707522/in/photostream/ ?
[06:22] <FourDollars> OK. I find it. partman-partitioning/no_bootable_gpt_efi
[06:25] <FourDollars> No, I didn't find it. Only the message, but not source code.
[06:28] <FourDollars> It seems relative to http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/partman-partitioning/ubuntu/revision/913 .
[06:28] <infinity> Which source code are you referring to?
[06:28] <infinity> You mean "what triggers the error", or "what's displaying it"?
[06:28] <infinity> For the former, it's the revision you just pointed out.
[06:29] <FourDollars> what triggers the error
[06:30] <infinity> Exactly as it implies.  The system uses only GPT-partitioned disks, and you have no EFI boot partition.
[06:30] <infinity> (And the test for that is in the revision you just linked)
[06:31] <FourDollars> yes, but the system does have EFI boot partition.
[06:31] <infinity> Is it marked as such?
[06:32] <FourDollars> However, EFI boot partition is created by myself.
[06:32] <FourDollars> So I am wondering how it detect 'EFI boot partition'.
[06:32] <infinity> It detects it based on it being set to that type.
[06:33] <infinity> 'This partition should be marked for use as an "EFI boot partition"'
[06:33] <FourDollars> Can we overwrite it by d-i preceed?
[06:34] <infinity> I'm sure it's preseedable, but you'll want cjwatson to get more into the details of that.
[06:35] <FourDollars> Thanks.
[06:36] <infinity> cjwatson: Also, is there a way to mark strings in debconf templates as unsplittable?  In the above screenshot, "/boot" gets split to "/\nboot", which is rather unfortunate.
[06:42] <GrueMaster> More fun with preseeding partitioning.  I feel your pain.
[06:43]  * GrueMaster spent all weekend trying to create a recipe for mixed pv/lvm partitioning with little success.    Speaking of, I'm heading to bed.
[06:46] <GrueMaster> My preseed if anyone wants to tell me how far off I am:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/911134/
[06:47] <GrueMaster> cjwatson: ^^^
[07:33] <twb> In old d-i builds, installing the network-console udeb and completing the install over SSH would automatically tick the "OpenSSH server" tasksel task.
[07:34] <twb> This appears to not be the case in precise -- is this deliberate?
[07:35] <twb> Tested with http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ubuntu-installer/amd64/linux as at 2012-03-31 06:51:39 +1100, not sure how old my udeb mirror is offhand.
[07:41] <twb> Also, is the bug where partman defaults to GPT for ≥2TB disks (instead of 2TiB disks) fixed for precise?
[08:09] <twb> Looks like a bunch of the preseed options wrt. DNS domain name, locale, keyboard have changed, too :-/
[08:10] <twb> Oh and NTP is picking Ubuntu's instead of the one supplied by the DHCP server
[08:39] <cjwatson> FourDollars: please file a bug with installer syslog and partman attached, and I'll see if I can work something out.  Preseeding isn't the right answer here.
[08:39] <cjwatson> infinity: unsplittable> no, I'm afraid not
[08:40] <cjwatson> GrueMaster: how do you mean, "failing on blank partitions"?
[08:40] <cjwatson> twb: it was only ever intended to install the openssh-server package, not specifically check the task; the latter sounds like an emergent effect.  have you checked whether it still installs the package?
[08:41] <twb> I didn't think to try that.  I managed to set the root password wrong in the install, so I went back to doing the production lucid install that this box is gonna have
[08:42] <twb> What I actually care about is openssh-server being installed – if you're reasonably confident that's what happens, that's good enough for me.
[08:42] <cjwatson> twb: Yes, I fixed the TB/TiB confusion in partman-partitioning 83 and that's in precise.
[08:42] <twb> Awesome, thanks (re TB/TiB)
[08:43] <cjwatson> openssh-server *should* still be installed, looking at the code, but I've not tried that install path myself at all recently.
[08:43] <twb> btw did you know that if you mke2fs /dev/sda, partman will let you install to it without a partition table?  This is a handy feature/bug that I use all the time now :-)
[08:43] <twb> Especially when sda is vda
[08:43] <cjwatson> Yep, I think so
[08:44] <twb> I don't remember seeing it documented anywhere
[08:44] <FourDollars> cjwatson: I am wondering what you check between 60 and 70 of check.d/biosgrub of http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/partman-partitioning/ubuntu/revision/913 .
[08:44] <cjwatson> It's a consequence of the handling of what parted calls "loop" devices, which aren't loopback mounts but actually more like the way that you can have a partition on /dev/mapper/foo
[08:45] <twb> Ah
[08:45] <twb> Also I discovered sponge yesterday, and it saved me a few lines of sh - thanks :-)
[08:45] <cjwatson> FourDollars: "method" is what you've asked partman to use the partition as, or what it's guessed that it needs to be used as for itsel
[08:45] <FourDollars> cjwatson: Is partition id '0xef' ?
[08:45] <cjwatson> f
[08:45] <cjwatson> No
[08:46] <cjwatson> The id there will be more like START-END in bytes
[08:47] <FourDollars> cjwatson: If the disk already has EFI partition before partman is executed, what does partman do?
[08:49] <cjwatson> It's supposed to automatically assign it method 'efi'
[08:49] <cjwatson> Please file that bug for me
[08:49] <FourDollars> Roger that.
[08:50] <cjwatson> (on partman-partitioning, I guess)
[08:51] <FourDollars> I think so too.
[08:51] <FourDollars> Thanks a lot.
[08:52] <cjwatson> may actually be a bug in partman-efi or somewhere else, but I'll need to analyse the logs to tell
[08:57] <FourDollars> I will generate the log files once I get access the hardware with EFI BIOS.
[08:57]  * FourDollars can not get the hardware today.
[14:38] <GrueMaster> cjwatson: Morning.  Did you see my pastebin?  The failure is that it prompts me for a filesystem for the blank LVM partition.  If I give it partition info in the preseed then it prompts for a mount point.  I just want to have a LVM partition that is blank, unformatted, and not mounted.  method{ keep } appears to be ignored in partman-lvm.
[14:39] <cjwatson> I fear that may not be possible right now.
[14:40] <cjwatson> Though that does seem slightly odd and I'd welcome a bug on partman-auto-lvm, preferably with that preseed and a DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer syslog attached.
[14:40] <cjwatson> And I suppose a partman log too.
[14:40] <GrueMaster> Lovely.  The documentation (for what little it is worth) indicates otherwise.  I've spent all weekend working on this.  Now I know why most of my google searches show examples where people have written their own replacements.
[14:41] <cjwatson> It probably wouldn't be that hard to fix.
[14:41] <cjwatson> (Well, assuming prior knowledge.)
[14:41] <GrueMaster> I'll see what I can do.  The system is currently stuck in a loop.
[14:41] <GrueMaster> And I only have serial console access.
[14:41] <cjwatson> Well, preseed attached to a bug better than nothing.
[14:43] <cjwatson> Prompting for a mountpoint on the automatic partitioning path is bizarre; I'd like to see that for myself to see exactly what path it's following
[14:45] <GrueMaster> The preseed above isn't anything special (other than local mirror settings).  Should be fairly easy to reproduce on x86 in a kvm.
[14:54] <CIA-32> ubiquity: stgraber * r5349 ubiquity/ (bin/ubiquity-dm debian/changelog): Set default wallpaper for ubuntu studio in ubiquity-dm
[15:08] <GrueMaster> cjwatson: Bug 971608 filed.  I don't have access to debian's bug tracking system to cross file.
[15:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 971608 in partman-auto-lvm "Unable to create blank lvm volume in preseed install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/971608
[15:09] <cjwatson> GrueMaster: you shouldn't anyway, unless you've reproduced it in Debian.
[15:10] <cjwatson> (and the entire world has access to Debian's BTS, it has no authentication :-P )
[17:21] <aperson_> Hello, I'm trying to find out if the documentation at: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apbs02.html#preseed-auto applies to Ubuntu Oneiric. I'm using "auto url=http://ubuntu-builder/ubuntu/preseed.d/preseed.cfg" on the kernel command line but at install loading the preseed file fails. The syslog has: Mar 29 23:33:03 main-menu[354]: (process:1340): wget: bad address 'ubuntu-builder' The DHCP server did give the
[17:22] <aperson_> leases file has the correct DOMAIN in it. Also if I manually put the DOMAIN in the resolv.conf file the build will succeed.
[17:58] <GrueMaster> aperson_: I assume ubuntu-builder is a local server?  Does your dns resolve that normally?
[18:01] <aperson_> ubuntu-builder is a local server and it resolves correctly if it's a FQDN ex: auto url=http://ubuntu-builder.example.com/ubuntu/preseed.d/preseed.cfg but not if it's just the hostname. The docs state that it should pick up the domain name from DHCP
[18:04] <aperson_> The syslog shows Mar 29 22:02:03 netcfg[1243]: DEBUG: DHCP domain name is 'sub.example.com' so to me that indicates that it knows of the dowmain
[18:05] <aperson_> Also if I look at the leases file it shows the domain.
[18:06] <aperson_> What seems to be missing is that netcfg or main-menu isn't add the domain token to the resolv.conf file.
[18:50] <GrueMaster> aperson_: Sorry, got distracted.  Something is not right in your dhcp/dns setup.  I have no problems here.  I do netboot & preseed installations daily in my own private network.  My preseed/tftp/pxe/pool server is mirror.gruenet.  Everything is shortened to http://mirror/... (http://mirror/preseeds/, etc).  And it just works.
[18:54] <aperson_> Here's the complete PXE target being used:
[18:54] <aperson_>  label desktop-jim
[18:55] <aperson_>  kernel ubuntu/linux-64
[18:55] <aperson_> append initrd=ubuntu/initrd-64.gz BOOT_DEBUG=2 -- locale=en_US debian-installer/locale=en_US kbd-chooser/method=us interface=eth0 netcfg/dhcp_timeout=60 priority=critical auto=true auto url=http://ubuntu-builder/ubuntu/preseed.d/preseed.cfg
[18:56] <aperson_> I'm having to do this remotely and I'm waiting for them to re setup the test system. Once that's done I can get the leases file from the building host.
[18:57] <aperson_> That way you can see what DHCP is providing
[18:57] <aperson_> I do have the output of a syslog from a previous attempt.
[18:59] <aperson_> I've been looking at the netcft source code and I don't see how it could work. Unless you pass netcfg/get_domain via the kernel command line.
[19:00] <GrueMaster> My pxe config for amd64 is this:  append vga=788 initrd=ubuntu-installer/amd64/initrd.gz url=http://mirror/preseed/precise-amd64.cfg -- debconf/priority=critical locale=en_US console-setup/ask_detect=false console-setup/layoutcode=us live-installer/enable=false
[19:00] <GrueMaster> As I said, I think the fault lies in your dhcp configuration.
[19:01] <GrueMaster> My dhcp server has:
[19:01] <GrueMaster>        option domain-name "gruenet";
[19:01] <GrueMaster>         option domain-name-servers <IP_ADDRESS>;
[19:02] <aperson_> I'll change it if I can figure out what to change. The syslog shows that it gets: Mar 29 22:02:03 netcfg[1243]: DEBUG: DHCP domain name is 'asubdomain.example.com'
[19:03] <aperson_> shouldn't your option domain-name be "gruenet.com" or org?
[19:04] <GrueMaster> No, because it is neither a .com or .org.  It is internal only.
[19:04] <aperson_> ahh
[19:04] <GrueMaster> It isn't the internet, it is the gruenet.  :P
[19:04] <aperson_> :D
[19:05] <aperson_> as in plonk?
[19:05] <GrueMaster> Something like that.
[19:07] <aperson_> looking at the source code for netcfg I don't see how it would get the correct domain name unless it's on the kernel command line. it reads it from /tmp/domain_name, but I don't see it filled in.
[19:07] <GrueMaster> In your install?
[19:08] <aperson_> from dhcp.c line 445 to 455
[19:09] <aperson_> the dhcp.c from the netcfg tar ball
[19:10] <aperson_>     444                 /*     445                  * Default to the domain name returned via DHCP, if any     446                  */     447                 if ((d = fopen(DOMAIN_FILE, "r")) != NULL) {     448                     char domain[_UTSNAME_LENGTH + 1] = { 0 };     449                     fgets(domain, _UTSNAME_LENGTH, d);     450                     fclose(d);     451                     unlink(DOMAIN_FILE);
[19:10] <GrueMaster> Well, only thing I can suggest is trying to run with the fqdn address for the preseed server.
[19:10] <aperson_> ugly sorry
[19:11] <aperson_> Yeah, I've been trying to avoid that as the combination of PXE targets and preseed files will explode to a few hundred quickly. I have to have dozens of mirrors for remote locations
[19:12] <aperson_> I can get a anycast address, but that causes other issues.
[19:12] <aperson_> Thanks for the help
[23:31] <antarus> hrm anyone know what the actual fields in partman recipies refer to?
[23:32] <antarus> ahh min max priority?
[23:32] <antarus> weird