[01:40] <jmichaelx> sorry for the very general question, but does gutsy seem to be somewhat  usable at this point?
[01:43] <kingofnic> I am working with gutsy every day and it seems quite usable for me :-)
[01:43] <Reaby> jmichaelx: many asking this today.. i've used gutsy with ease in daily basis, some upgrades has got minor fall backs, but they have been fixed less than a week, some cases in same day
[01:43] <slackern> I haven't had any problems at all for a couple of weeks that have been caused by it being under development atleast :)
[01:44] <blizzow> I have a dumb question, how can I keep a persistent hosts file and still use dhcp?
[01:44] <_dan_> no question is stupid
[01:45] <_dan_> ./etc/hosts wont get overridden bei dhcp
[01:45] <slackern> blizzow: how do you mean? your hosts file shouldn't change cause you are using dhcp to get your ip?
[01:45] <slackern> blizzow: do you mean /etc/resolv.conf for your dns servers?
[01:46] <jmichaelx> Reaby: ty much, i think i might give it a try
[01:47] <Reaby> jmichaelx: if you try, it's preferably to download daily snapshot
[01:47] <Reaby> and give a clean install
[01:47] <jmichaelx> Reaby: as opposed to an aptitude upgrade?
[01:47] <Reaby> yes
[01:47] <jmichaelx> ahh, ok
[01:47] <Reaby> it brakes system some cases to unusable
[01:48] <jmichaelx> thanks for the info
[01:48] <Reaby> yeah, np
[01:48] <Reaby> hmm.. breaks might be better english...
[01:48] <blizzow> That's what I thought, but for some reason, my hosts file keeps getting overwritten
[01:49] <slackern> blizzow: just to double check you mean /etc/hosts file?
[01:50] <blizzow> yes, the one where I can manually write out what ip address a hostname points at.
[01:50] <blizzow> Everytime I login at work, my hosts file gets overwritten.
[01:50] <blizzow> It's the only place I use dhcp.
[01:52] <slackern> blizzow: hmm odd i have 2 different DHCP servers here that i just swapped between (one small router and a linux machine running dhcp) but never got any problems like that, maybe dhcp servers has an option to send more information to hosts files and that option is enabled at your work, newer experienced it myself though
[01:55] <slackern> blizzow: only thing i was in man dhclient.conf was the option to request host-name too
[01:55] <slackern> was/saw
[01:57] <Pici> Can someone tell me if their deskbar looks like this or not: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Beta?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=deskbar-search.png
[01:58] <slackern> Pici: mine opens up in a separate window now
[01:58] <Reaby> same here
[01:58] <Pici> Good.
[01:58] <Pici> I'll go bug -devel again then ;)
[02:01] <ffm> Where is the beta?
[02:01] <ffm> It is 0:01 UTC!
[02:01] <Reaby> :D
[02:01] <PriceChild> ffm, it'll be here when its ready
[02:01] <slackern> blizzow: sorry been looking around a bit but i couldn't find anything mentioned about that im afraid =/
[02:01] <PriceChild> ffm, subscribe to the ubuntu-devel list and wait
[02:03] <blizzow> no biggie, I'll do some more research into it when I'm not wicked busy.
[02:03] <branstrom> In mplayer's manual page, in the section for the -gl video mode, it mentions I should use -dr because it could provide a big speedup
[02:03] <slackern> blizzow: btw does it just clean it out and make it the default one with localhost?
[02:03] <branstrom> I don't really know what he's talking about there.
[02:03] <branstrom> Direct rendering perhaps?
[02:04] <branstrom> How do I "use -dr"?
[02:04] <branstrom> mplayer -vo gl-dr ?
[02:04] <branstrom> mplayer -vo gl -dr ?
[02:04] <blizzow> slackern: pretty much, It gets re-written with some ipv6 junk in there a localhost entry and one with my hostname.
[02:05] <slackern> blizzow: aye sound like the default one, hmm could it be that it tries to swap between different networkprofiles perhaps
[02:05] <SuperTeece> hi all
[02:06] <Reaby> yo
[02:06] <SuperTeece> is there a way to only test the gutsy network manager on a feisty system?
[02:06] <slackern> blizzow: and networkprofiles is voodoomagic for me :)
[02:23] <Xero> Is there anything special about the rt kernel besides a small speed boost?
[02:23] <Xero> Well, okay, a large speed boost, but are there any other benefits?
[02:23] <CountX> anyone get thier cam workin on www.stickam.com with linux
[02:24] <CountX> im using the VfL2 driver and it works in Ekiga, but when i try and use it on www.stickam.com all i get is my mic
[02:24] <CountX> ive already tried running firefox with sudo
[02:24] <CountX> anyone?
[02:25] <maccam94> for an issue like that, you may have better luck in #ubuntu
[02:26] <Xero> CountX, sudo firefox = bad.
[02:27] <CountX> yeah
[02:27] <CountX> i'll go bug them in regular ubuntu
[02:31] <ratpoison> hello! using gutsy amd64. Just installed kiba-dock through svn, which I had done successfully in a previous install (also, gutsy amd64) this time though, when I try to run it, I get "kiba-dock: error while loading shared libraries: libakamaru.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[02:32] <ratpoison> need help guys!
[02:32] <ratpoison> (sorry for the enter used as space)
[02:38] <gnomefreak> ratpoison: try in #ubuntu-effects
[02:40] <larson9999> my card needs the 1.9* nvidia driver.  restricted drivers manager says that's the driver it's installing but when i reboot the nvidia driver doesn't load.
[02:43] <ConstyXIV> is there a way to make the desktop wall previews 4:3 instead of 16:9?
[02:45] <DanaG> wtf?  The "enter a WPA key" dialog popped under everything else, so for a long time I thought the connection was broken.
[02:46] <maccam94> i've seen that a lot in feisty too
[02:47] <nemik> is anyone able to run ekiga with SIP and have it not crash
[02:47] <nemik> ?
[02:47] <imperfect-> Howdy
[02:51] <emet> is gutsy going to include the new ATI driver ?
[02:51] <emet> maybe not in the final release but as an update
[02:52] <emet> AIGLX support
[02:54] <Reaby> nice
[02:54] <Reaby> Reloading options
[02:54] <Reaby> beryl: decoration: property ignored because version is 20070319 and decoration plugin version is 20061011
[02:54] <Reaby> what in earth did that.
[02:58] <RAdams> At this time, I would like to complain about the even worse desktop background they've picked for Gusty.
[02:59] <Reaby> and it's gone after relogging
[02:59] <Reaby> :)
[02:59] <RAdams> eh?
[02:59] <Reaby> looks like random beryl bugs
[02:59] <RAdams> ah
[02:59] <RAdams> you're using beryl, not compiz fusion?
[02:59] <Reaby> damn
[02:59] <Reaby> compiz fusion i mean
[02:59] <Reaby> :D
[02:59] <RAdams> :)
[03:00] <RAdams> Here's a puzzler:
[03:00] <RAdams> I've changed the color of my desktop background to a dark red. I changed the background of the login screen to dark red. But when I login, I still, for about 5 seconds, see the default light tan color on my desktop
[03:00] <RAdams> X__X
[03:01] <RAdams> These issues are much more important than a stable kernel and userspace tools, of course.
[03:01] <Reaby> i bet it's gnome splash screen
[03:01] <RAdams> I thought that was disabled?
[03:01] <Reaby> it's called usability
[03:01] <Reaby> :D
[03:02] <Reaby> well i don't know, just tried ice with a stick
[03:02] <Reaby> :)
[03:02] <Reaby> hehe
[03:02] <RAdams> ice with a stick? o.O
[03:02] <Reaby> hmm.. maybe it doesn't work that good translated to english
[03:02] <RAdams> more complaining: my shortcut keys involving the super ("windows") key stopped working in compiz fusion
[03:03] <RAdams> maybe not, Reaby
[03:03] <RAdams> lol
[03:03] <Reaby> it's commonly used here tho.
[03:03] <DanaG> Same here -- also, the Gnome super-key bindings are broken/
[03:03] <DanaG> .
[03:03] <RAdams> Hrmm
[03:03] <RAdams> Mine used to work
[03:03] <RAdams> then they magically stopped
[03:04] <RAdams> Geez, all these problems, you'd think we were running an unstable release or something...
[03:04] <DanaG> If I have 'put' enabled, pressing the 'super' key alone causes the window to jump to the opposite side of the screen.
[03:04] <RAdams> :|
[03:04] <RAdams> DanaG: sounds fun and exciting
[03:04] <DanaG> My super-W key for Water still works, though.
[03:04] <RAdams> like catch the window
[03:04] <RAdams> oh
[03:04] <RAdams> that's good
[03:04] <RAdams> the water effect is very important to usability
[03:04] <DanaG> I want to use the Put plugin, but I can't -- it's bugged.
[03:04] <RAdams> its an integral part of my productivity
[03:05] <RAdams> I want to use Put as well, but I have no farking idea what it does
[03:05] <RAdams> I just like checking boxes
[03:05] <RAdams> I did *not* RTFM
[03:05] <DanaG> It lets you push windows to different edges of the desktop, and to different virtual desktops without bringing yourself with them.
[03:05] <RAdams> oh
[03:05] <RAdams> neat
[03:05] <RAdams> that is handy
[03:05] <RAdams> pity it's bork then
[03:06] <RAdams> let me go mess about with mine
[03:06] <RAdams> Super + KP Begin
[03:06] <RAdams> ...
[03:07] <RAdams> "PC LOAD LETTER?
   I went to disable super-5 on put center, and it reset!
[03:22] <_dan_> wireless works again
[03:22] <_dan_> nice
[03:22] <DanaG> What the ****?
[03:23] <d4rkmonkey> anyone...?
[03:23] <RAdams> DanaG: it seems to happen when trying to disable keystrokes ANYWHERE in compiz fusion
[03:23] <RAdams> verify?
[03:23] <DanaG> And what are kp_begin and kp_next and such?
[03:23] <_dan_> brightness stopped working :O
[03:23] <DanaG> How about calling them home and pgdn?
[03:24] <RAdams> d4kmonkey: http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/Hardware/Intel
[03:24] <RAdams> DanaG: "Keypad"
[03:24] <DanaG> I know that.
[03:24] <DanaG> But I don't ever see keys named "Begin" and "Next".
[03:24] <DanaG> And resetting bindings is borked.
[03:24] <RAdams> true...
[03:24] <RAdams> yes
[03:24] <RAdams> very much so
[03:25] <DanaG> Another issue of naming that bugs me: Madwifi.  The module does not have any anagram of 'mad' or 'wifi' anywhere within them!
[03:25] <DanaG> s/module/modules/
[03:25] <DanaG> do not.
[03:25] <d4rkmonkey> RAdams what now? that deosn't really explain anything... I heard intel was blacklisted, and mine worked fine before.
[03:25] <d4rkmonkey> oh wait... nevermind! I just saw links..
[03:25] <d4rkmonkey> haha...
[03:25] <RAdams> :)
[03:26] <DanaG> What does blue text in ccsm mean?
[03:26] <Xero> I have no idea. Never seen it.
[03:26] <d4rkmonkey> RAdams agg... thats not what I was looking for. Theres like one line in some config file and I should be good after I take that out...
[03:27] <RAdams> d4kmonkey: not sure... I'm on nvidia here
[03:27] <d4rkmonkey> RAdams ok, thanks for the help anyways.
[03:28] <RAdams> hey, does anyone know what happened to the ability to set actions to the screen edges in compiz fusion?
[03:28] <RAdams> I liked that in beryl... where did it go
[03:29] <Xero> RAdams, I still have it.
[03:29] <RAdams> xero: where do you set it?
[03:29] <Xero> Bindings
[03:29] <RAdams> under?
[03:31] <RAdams> xero: is bindings a plugin?
[03:31] <Xero> RAdams, no.
[03:31] <RAdams> where do you set it?
[03:31] <Xero> Actions tab for any plugin
[03:31] <Xero> Only a few work this way though.
[03:31] <RAdams> xero: oh ok ty
[03:31] <RAdams> what's the name of that plugin that shows all your windows?
[03:32] <Xero> Scale
[03:32] <RAdams> yeah that one
[03:32] <Xero> It might have a tracker in it.
[03:32] <RAdams> COOKIE
[03:33] <RAdams> COOOOOOOOOOKKKKKKKKKKIIIIiiiiieeeeeee.....
[03:33] <Xero> lol
[03:34] <penguincentral> !hi | mrigns
[03:34] <ubotu> mrigns: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!
[03:35] <RAdams> !hi | ubotu
[03:35] <ubotu> ubotu: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!
[03:35] <mrigns> lol
[03:36] <mrigns> I think someone might be bored ;P
[03:36] <RAdams> X_x
[03:36] <penguincentral> mrigns: so so true
[03:36] <RAdams> !bored | RAdams
[03:36] <RAdams> ...
[03:36] <RAdams> That's the best definition for boredom I've ever heard
[03:36] <RAdams> like a poem, it was
[03:37] <penguincentral> !botabuse | RAdams
[03:37] <ubotu> RAdams: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[03:37] <penguincentral> yeah
[03:37] <RAdams> :(
[03:37] <penguincentral> i'm in there RAdams
[03:38] <penguincentral> good idea RAdams
[03:38] <penguincentral> back to the topic people, nothing to see here...
[03:38] <RAdams> If making e-love to Ubotu is wrong, I don't wanna be right.
[03:39] <penguincentral> RAdams: lol
[03:39] <slackern> *Ubotu.JR has joined the channel*
[03:39] <slackern> awww
[03:39] <penguincentral> MSG RAdams Someone has fallen in love with the bot
[03:40] <penguincentral> uh, let me try that again...
[03:40] <penguincentral> MSG <UbotusLover> <Someone has fallen in love with the bot>
[03:40] <penguincentral> eh, so much for trying
[03:41] <UbotusLover>  /msg?
[03:41] <penguincentral> i've sent the message
[03:41] <DanaG> Argh, how do I get back the old font rendering?
[03:41] <DanaG> The new rendering hurts my eyes.
[03:41] <UbotusLover> Why can't I set screen edges for scale? It works by default when I go to the upper right, but under the bindings it says "None" for screen edges
[03:42] <UbotusLover> oh
[03:42] <slackern> hehe and i thought this new rendering is the best thing to happen since molten cheese :)
[03:42] <UbotusLover> what are edge buttons?
[03:42] <DanaG> I think it needs to be configurable!
[03:42] <DanaG> Not forced.
[03:42] <slackern> DanaG: aye that would be better most definately
[03:43] <maccam94> the beta is supposed to be out now
[03:43] <maccam94> isn't it?
[03:43] <maccam94> it's now the 27th on GMT time
[03:43] <RAdams> where are the compiz settings stored?
[03:43] <Xero> RAdams, GConf.
[03:43] <maccam94> anybody?
[03:44] <maccam94> or are we expecting the release more in the middle of the day or something?
[03:44] <RAdams> xero: ty
[03:44] <igorgue> @now
[03:44] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: September 27 2007, 01:44:33 - Next meeting: Desktop Team Development in 10 hours 15 minutes
[03:44] <Xero> Wait. You made e-love to Ubotu?
[03:44] <igorgue> maccam94: yep it is 27
[03:45] <RAdams> maccam94: We don't know. We suspect Novell has bought Ubuntu and the beta will feature YAST as the primary installer
[03:45] <RAdams> Xero: perhaps
[03:45] <Xero> Yuck.
[03:45] <igorgue> RAdams: that'll cool :D
[03:45] <RAdams> Yuck to which? e-love to Ubotu or Novell?
[03:45] <maccam94> lol
[03:45] <Xero> Both.
[03:45] <RAdams> oh
[03:45] <RAdams> I agree... the Novell idea makes my stomach turn
[03:46] <Xero> lol
[03:46] <DanaG> Gutsy seems to be full of regressions:
[03:46] <Xero> The mechanosexual idea makes -my- stomach want to implode
[03:46] <DanaG> deskbuttonthatopensawindow-applet
[03:46] <Xero> You made e-love to a freaking computer!
[03:47] <DanaG> painful (to me) font rendering.
[03:47] <philip> anyone has probs with update-manager? it gives me "unable to copy the user's Xauthorization file"
[03:47] <DanaG> Suspend now gives me the black screen again.
[03:47] <MechanoSexual>  /msg nickserv register?
[03:47] <DanaG> Brightness control broke for a while, until I found a workaround.
[03:47] <Xero> I removed Deskbuttonthatopensawindow Applet.
[03:47] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/121833
[03:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Low,Incomplete]
[03:47] <MechanoSexual> what applet are you guys talking about?
[03:47] <DanaG> I went back to the old deskbar-applet.
[03:47] <Xero> LOL
[03:48] <DanaG> The new one is false advertising.
[03:48] <MechanoSexual> oh
[03:48] <MechanoSexual> that one
[03:48] <MechanoSexual> I like Tracker Live Search
[03:48] <Xero> Me too.
[03:48] <Xero> But you're a sicko.
[03:48] <DanaG> But tracker can't run commands, like
[03:48] <DanaG> Alt-f3.  Appe<enter>
[03:48] <DanaG> for Appearance.
[03:48] <DanaG> Even the new Deskbar can't do that.
[03:49] <DanaG> Ouch, my eyes hurt.
[03:49] <igorgue> DanaG: are you sure about that?
[03:49] <igorgue> you need to see the prefferences in deskbar
[03:49] <MechanoSexual> typing "appe" in my deskbar launches gdmsetup
[03:49] <MechanoSexual> :|
[03:49] <Xero> Please, for the sake of all things Open Source, change your name.
[03:50] <MechanoSexual> :(
[03:50] <igorgue> MechanoSexual: lol
[03:50] <Xero> Once again change it.
[03:50] <UbotoHarlot> :(
[03:51] <Xero> Good enough.
[03:51] <DanaG> My comment: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3432774#post3432774
[03:53] <Xero> <random childish spam> Poop </random childish spam>
[03:54] <RAdams> Xero: why can't I set screen edges for my Scale Plugin?
[03:54] <Xero> RAdams, I have no idea.
[03:56] <Xero> If you really needed to do it, you'd learn C++ and edit the Scale Plugin to be a butthole about it and force the top right corner to do the showing of windows.
[03:56] <Xero> Of course, I've never felt that bad a need for anything (yet)
[03:57] <RAdams> DanaG: System --> Preferences --> Appearance --> Fonts
[03:57] <RAdams> Xero: what I actually want to do is make it not do that
[03:57] <RAdams> Xero: my screen edges are all set to "None" for the scale plugin
[03:57] <RAdams> but it keeps doing it when I go to the upper right
[03:59] <Xero> RAdams, try restarting Compiz. Mine has a bug where I have to reset to change certain settings.
[03:59] <DanaG> The thing is, I had it set to Subpixel rendering before, and it looked great.
[03:59] <DanaG> Now it looks (subjectively) bad, like Cleartype.
[03:59] <RAdams> xero: what's the cleanest way to restart compiz?
[03:59] <Xero> DanaG, change the filtering or whatever
[03:59] <Xero> RAdams, compiz --replace
[04:00] <DanaG> Somehow my QT apps still look like the old way, though.
[04:00] <DanaG> I don't know how.
[04:00] <Xero> Then convert to KDE.
[04:00] <nosrednaekim> KDE KDE KDE!!!
[04:01] <_dan_> twm twm twm!!
[04:01] <Xero> gnome.
[04:01] <Xero> I'm boring :)
[04:13] <tripzero> anyone know how the live cd configures the xorg.conf file?
[04:15] <RAdams> tripzero: satanic incantations
[04:15] <RAOF> tripzero: Probably with the debconf autodetect stuff?  You can re-run it with dpkg-reconfigure -pcritical xserver-xorg
[04:15] <RAdams> you can also sprinkle holy water on it
[04:16] <tripzero> RAdams, lol
[04:16] <tripzero> that's what I figured (some sort of black magic)
[04:17] <RAOF> There are a bunch of packages for it - I believe "discover" is one.  You'll also see xresprobe, IIRC.
[04:18] <tripzero> thanks RAOF, that will help alot me thinks :P
[04:18] <tripzero> I'm remastering the ubuntu cd, that's why I ask (I only want it to display 800x600)
[04:20] <RAdams> Horray my Super key commands work again
[04:20] <RAdams> Life is wonderful
[04:22] <RAdams> does anyone know how to improve the focus stealing prevention of compiz fusion?
[04:22] <RAdams> It drives me insane when windows steal focus
[04:23] <maccam94> if you install ccsm, you can adjust the level
[04:25] <DanaG> wtf?  How do I allow guest access to Samba?
[04:25] <RAdams> what is ccsm?
[04:26] <RAdams> oh nvm
[04:26] <RAdams> maccam94: i have it installed
[04:26] <RAdams> where do I set it?
[04:27] <DanaG> [2007/09/26 19:04:23, 0]  auth/auth_util.c:create_builtin_administrators(792)                        create_builtin_administrators: Failed to create Administrators
[04:27] <DanaG> [2007/09/26 19:04:23, 0]  auth/auth_util.c:create_builtin_users(758)                  create_builtin_users: Failed to create Users
[04:28] <maccam94> RAdams: it's in general i believe
[04:29] <h1st0> RAdams: compizconfig-settings-manager is ccsm
[04:29] <h1st0> RAdams: sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[04:30] <RAdams> h1st0: yes, I forgot it was called that. lol
[04:30] <RAdams> I have it
[04:30] <RAdams> maccam94: checking
[04:30] <RAdams> maccam94: I see an option for "Focus Prevention Windows" and it is set to "any". That's all I see regarding focus prevention
[04:32] <kevinO> hello, i am using the oem install of gusty, has anyone reported that it is slower than usual?
[04:32] <DanaG> How do I give guest access to samba shares?
[04:32] <kevinO> i did apt-get update and it downloaded about 59 mb of updates, it has taken over 20 minutes to install
[04:33] <maccam94> RAdams: there used to be focus stealing prevention :-\
[04:33] <maccam94> maybe that's the same option, renamed
[04:35] <TiaGo|SouZa> hey, do you have any ideia what time the beta will be released?!
[04:36] <stdin> "When it's ready"
[04:36] <stdin> there is no set time
[04:37] <TiaGo|SouZa> hm
[04:37] <TiaGo|SouZa> and where can I find it to download?!
[04:38] <RAdams> Tiago|Souza: it will appear in your update manager
[04:38] <RAdams> patience
[04:38] <TiaGo|SouZa> "when it's ready", of course
[04:38] <TiaGo|SouZa> :p
[04:38] <kevinO> TiaGo|SouZa:  you can download the latest beta if you want to test
[04:38] <TiaGo|SouZa> the beta version will appear in my update manager?!?!
[04:39] <RAdams> Tiago: are you using gusty?
[04:39] <TiaGo|SouZa> no
[04:39] <TiaGo|SouZa> feisty
[04:39] <RAdams> oh
[04:39] <RAdams> lol
[04:39] <RAdams> then no, it won't
[04:39] <RAdams> one moment...
[04:39] <TiaGo|SouZa> that's what i tought
[04:40] <RAdams> Tiago|Souza: "update-manager -d"
[04:40] <_dan_> guys can anyone hint me why my fonts looklike crap?
[04:40] <RAdams> will offer the latest build of Gusty to you
[04:40] <_dan_> white fionts seem sometimes redish
[04:41] <_dan_> on my laptop
[04:41] <kevinO> deselect crapola font, and change the size to 12
[04:41] <kevinO> hehe
[04:42] <_dan_> standard gutsy fnt
[04:42] <_dan_> dont
[04:42] <_dan_> font ah sry
[04:42] <_dan_> i htink it has omething to do with subpixel thing but i have no clue about that
[04:42] <dcordes> anybody able to compile C code with 64 bit gutsy?
[04:42] <kevinO> Tiago, you can always download the Gutsy tribe 5 cd if you want to test it on another machine.
[04:42] <kevinO> TiaGo|SouZa: i meant
[04:43] <TiaGo|SouZa> yeap, but I'm really courious about the final artwork
[04:43] <TiaGo|SouZa> curious
[04:45] <khatahn> just checking: gutsy beta should come out today? (it's 27. here)
[04:45] <maccam94> khatahn: i was saying the same thing
[04:45] <kevinO> TiaGo|SouZa: the artwork hasnt changed much yet, i did notice a couple other backgrounds in the update earlier
[04:46] <TiaGo|SouZa> khatahn: me too
[04:46] <kevinO> what is everyone talkin about? i thought gutsy beta has been out for a while now
[04:46] <TiaGo|SouZa> but, theoretically, the final artwork will be in the beta release, no?!
[04:46] <kurros> no, only alphas
[04:47] <TiaGo|SouZa> kevinO: yep, only alphas
[04:47] <kevinO> ahh
[04:47] <kevinO> news to me
[04:47] <TiaGo|SouZa> hehehe
[04:47] <maccam94> kevinO: yeah, tribe5 is the latest alpha
[04:47] <maccam94> beta comes out the 27th
[04:47] <kevinO> i did notice some extra backgrounds in the updates earlier
[04:47] <RAdams> really? I only got one
[04:48] <RAdams> and it looks like a brighter version of the poop they originally suggested
[04:48] <kevinO> i found one that looks like elephant skin
[04:48] <maccam94> yes
[04:48] <kevinO> its pretty neat
[04:48] <maccam94> there's that and an abstract one
[04:49] <maccam94> there's actually a lot of neat animal skin wallpapers on the incoming artwork wiki
[04:49] <RAdams> yeah
[04:49] <RAdams> I'm using the darker animal hair one
[04:49] <RAdams> I <3 it
[04:49] <TiaGo|SouZa> an how about the icons?!
[04:49] <TiaGo|SouZa> any changes?!
[04:50] <kevinO> hehe you are yelling a question
[04:50] <kevinO> i try to say it out loud in my head
[04:50] <kurros> kevin0: the changes!! any changes?!
[04:50] <kevinO> heh
[04:51] <kevinO> stop yelling at me
[04:52] <TiaGo|SouZa> sorry
[04:52] <kevinO> its ok im just playin
[04:53] <kevinO> are you askin if there are any new icons in the beta release?
[04:53] <maccam94> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/GutsyIdeas
[04:54] <DanaG> Try this in the desktop-effects tab:
[04:54] <DanaG> While already having stuff set up via ccsm, select Custom.
[04:54] <TiaGo|SouZa> yeap
[04:54] <DanaG> It just freezes.
[04:54] <TiaGo|SouZa> maccam94: I already saw this page a dozen times
[04:55] <TiaGo|SouZa> :p
[04:55] <TiaGo|SouZa> some wallpapers are awesome!
[04:56] <kevinO> yeah that link kill my firefox
[04:57] <TiaGo|SouZa> it tooks a life to load that page
[04:57] <dcosson> someone tell me to bugger off if i should... but i've just installed the 9/25 gutsy kubuntu daily and i am not getting any usplash screens.  can someone point me in the right direction?
[04:57] <tonyyarusso> dcosson: did you with feisty?
[04:58] <tonyyarusso> I know on Dell Optiplex machines you have to change a BIOS setting for usplash to work
[04:58] <dcosson> not at first, but i did something.  i have a short memory.
[04:59] <TiaGo|SouZa> kevinO: are u using the latest alpha release?
[04:59] <kevinO> i wish the panel backround changesd with the themes
[04:59] <dcosson> and then i installed just the WM-less gutsy iso and installed kubuntu-desktop through apt, and i did get usplash screens
[04:59] <kevinO> TiaGo|SouZa: yes i am up to date with the latest gutsy
[04:59] <dcosson> but i wanted to try the kubuntu daily iso :-P
[05:00] <kevinO> i dont like kubuntu
[05:00] <kevinO> sorry
[05:01] <kevinO> those are all nice wallpapers on that link
[05:01] <DanaG> Yay, kernel panic due to virtualbox.
[05:01] <Jordan_U> dcosson, Is "splash" in your kernel parameters?
[05:02] <dcosson> yeah, this is maybe where i am over my head.  i don't so much know what that means.
[05:03] <kevinO> Ubuntu - It just works.
[05:03] <TiaGo|SouZa> kevinO: did your icons change to something diferent of feisty's?!
[05:04] <kevinO> TiaGo|SouZa: im using a theme "mydarktheme" [which is an awesome theme]  right now, but ill check
[05:04] <TiaGo|SouZa> did this theme come with gutsy?
[05:05] <TiaGo|SouZa> sorry, probably not..MYdarktheme
[05:05] <TiaGo|SouZa> :P
[05:05] <kevinO> no, i got it from gnome-look.org
[05:05] <tripzero> Anyone tried gutsy with a touchscreen yet, just wondering how much better xorg7.3 is?
[05:05] <kevinO> no its not mine, thats just what the guy namd it
[05:05] <DanaG> argh, #vbox is empty.
[05:05] <TiaGo|SouZa> oh, okey
[05:06] <kevinO> TiaGo|SouZa:  heres a screeny http://kevin.myjot.net/Screenshot-1.png
[05:07] <TiaGo|SouZa> hmmm..looks awesome!
[05:08] <TiaGo|SouZa> can u look at the "default" theme, and maybe take some screenshot of it?!
[05:08] <kevinO> tiago, im looking through the available icons and it looks like there is a new set called nuoveXT-aero
[05:08] <kevinO> hold on
[05:08] <TiaGo|SouZa> ok
[05:09] <kevinO> if i choose human theme, its still the default icons, ill just make you a screenshot of my theme with the new icons
[05:12] <kevinO> hmm my print screen button isnt working
[05:13] <kevinO> oh now it is
[05:16] <kevinO> TiaGo|SouZa:  http://kevin.myjot.net/Screenshot.png
[05:17] <kevinO> i like these icons thay are clean and not to cartoonish looking
[05:17] <TiaGo|SouZa> hmmm
[05:17] <TiaGo|SouZa> awesome!
[05:17] <TiaGo|SouZa> this is nuoveXT-aero?!
[05:18] <kevinO> yeah i think thats what they were called
[05:19] <tripzero> flip, within the livecd there is not xorg.conf???!!!
[05:19] <kevinO> im curious to know if these actually came from ubuntu, they seem like some sort of vista knock off
[05:19] <TiaGo|SouZa> this one came by default?
[05:20] <TiaGo|SouZa> that's what it seems
[05:20] <RAOF> tripzero: Of course not.  You couldn't pre-configure it correctly for everyone.  It needs to be autodetected & created on startup.
[05:20] <kevinO> no, they were just in my icons list, but i have never seen them before
[05:20] <kevinO> i assume they were downloaded with ubuntu updates
[05:20] <kevinO> i know i did not dl them
[05:21] <tripzero> it doesn't look like discover nor xresprobe create the xorg.conf file afaik
[05:22] <TiaGo|SouZa> hm
[05:22] <TiaGo|SouZa> the human's still the same?!
[05:23] <kevinO> yeah
[05:23] <TiaGo|SouZa> hm
[05:23] <TiaGo|SouZa> crap
[05:23] <TiaGo|SouZa> maybe something change in the beta
[05:23] <RAOF> tripzero: It'd be part of the "configure" phase of the xserver-xorg package.
[05:23] <TiaGo|SouZa> the final artwork deadline was seven days ago
[05:24] <kevinO> , i hope there is its always nice to have a professional looking icon set to use
[05:24] <RAOF> tripzero: If you really wanted to, you can grab the xserver-xorg package, then run "dpkg --info <xorg.deb> postinst" to get the shell code run.
[05:25] <TiaGo|SouZa> kevinO: I agree!
[05:26] <TiaGo|SouZa> do u know if something changed in the grub menu?!
[05:26] <kevinO> i have no idea
[05:26] <nb-au> have the beta isos been released?
[05:26] <kevinO> nope i hear they are tomorrow
[05:27] <nb-au> damn :(, gotta wait another day :P
[05:27] <TiaGo|SouZa> hahahaha
[05:27] <nb-au> luckily tomorrow is only 11 hours away :D
[05:27] <TiaGo|SouZa> nb-au: everybody's sainh that
[05:28] <TiaGo|SouZa> *saying
[05:29] <TiaGo|SouZa> kevinO: is gutsy "stable"?!
[05:30] <_dan_> no
[05:30] <nb-au> i havent had a crash yet, but ymmv
[05:30] <kevinO> i have had any problems with it
[05:30] <_dan_> atm generic kernel is majorly bugged
[05:30] <nb-au> though i dont have a usplash either :/
[05:30] <kevinO> sorry, havent had
[05:30] <nb-au> my monitor just turns off until login, rofl
[05:31] <TiaGo|SouZa> I know that officially, it's a unstable release
[05:32] <TiaGo|SouZa> but this is what I'm asking: how about u, guys?! did u have problems with it?!
[05:32] <RAdams> anyone else having a problem with openoffice base not being able to start?
[05:32] <TiaGo|SouZa> apparently no
[05:32] <nb-au> TiaGo|SouZa: its stable but a single new package could bork the system, and if u dont know what your doing could be a bugger to fix
[05:33] <RAdams> "Please *don't* run Gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependencies, bug fixing, etc"
[05:33] <nb-au> yup yup
[05:33] <TiaGo|SouZa> RAdams: I saw this
[05:34] <TiaGo|SouZa> hm
[05:34] <RAdams> can anyone confirm openoffice base crashing ooffice and causing a hung soffice.bin process?
[05:34] <nb-au> if u dont know what your doing you may have to wait until another update leaving you without a pc for days
[05:34] <TiaGo|SouZa> I see
[05:34] <nb-au> and even then depending on the bug, could have other stuff borked
[05:34] <nb-au> lol
[05:35] <nb-au> chances are you could run it just fine up till release, but if borking ur system is not a risk you want to take then dont :)
[05:35] <DanaG> For me, the biggest breakage (subjectively) was the fonts.
[05:36] <RAdams> DanaG is a FontRendering Crusader
[05:36] <nb-au> the one where u gotta touch the files?
[05:36] <Jordan_U> DanaG, Do you mean the DPI settings?
[05:36] <_dan_> my fonts look so weird
[05:36] <_dan_> in fesity and gutsy
[05:36] <TiaGo|SouZa> thanks, guys!
[05:36] <RAdams> can someone open their database component of openoffice and tell me if it starts?
[05:36] <_dan_> DanaG u got any magic solution for that
[05:36] <TiaGo|SouZa> bye!
[05:36] <RAdams> np, tiago
[05:36] <Jordan_U> _dan_, Screenshot?
[05:36] <_dan_> sure
[05:36] <_dan_> of which application?
[05:37] <_dan_> gnome term fine?
[05:37] <nb-au> radams works fine here
[05:37] <RAdams> odd
[05:37] <RAdams> I can't start mine
[05:37] <nb-au> im running amd64 if thats any help
[05:37] <RAdams> time to install the debugging symbols
[05:37] <RAdams> i'm on x86
[05:37] <DanaG> My fonts looked wonderful in Feisty, but now Gutsy changed them.
[05:38] <nb-au> DanaG all the time? or just in some programs like firefox and wine
[05:39] <DanaG> Everything except KDE apps.
[05:40] <DanaG> My comment: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3432774#post3432774
[05:40] <nb-au> ahh no idea then :(
[05:41] <nb-au> my fonts look exactly the same, except wine and firefox coz i havent install msttcorefonts yet
[05:42] <_dan_> Jordan_U
[05:42] <_dan_> http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/8231/blabp9.jpg
[05:42] <_dan_> its hard to see here since jpg makes it a bit not so colerfu
[05:42] <_dan_> but fnts have a redish touch on the sites
[05:43] <Jordan_U> _dan_, Why not save as lossless png then, I don't see any wierdness, can you give an example of what you consider normal?
[05:44] <_dan_> normal = windows fonts, they just look "better"
[05:44] <_dan_> lets see with png
[05:45] <DanaG> For me, normal == the old subpixel hinting.
[05:45] <DanaG> I don't mind having new options, but I hate having a new rendering system forced upon me.
[05:45] <DanaG> At the very least, they should publicize how to get back the old style, even if it means recompiling things.
[05:46] <DanaG> Better: debconf option.
[05:46] <DanaG> Better still: user-specific option.
[05:47] <_dan_> http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/6613/bla2ry2.png
[05:47] <_dan_> here
[05:47] <_dan_> when u zoom in
[05:48] <_dan_> u see clearly redish touch around the edges
[05:48] <RAOF> DanaG: There is one.
[05:49] <RAOF> DanaG: If it's not yet a debconf option, instructions are posted to ubuntu-devel-announce (I think).
[05:50] <bernier>  hi, how can I install compiz-fusion-plugins-unofficial and compiz-fusion-plugins-unsupported?
[05:51] <DanaG> Cool, then that'll satisfy me.
[05:53] <RAOF> bernier: So, -unofficial does'nt exist, and -unsupported aren't in Gutsy :)
[05:54] <RAOF> bernier: -unofficial is a package made of a bunch of disparate plugins by Trevino - they aren't developed enough to be put into one of the other -plugins-{main, extra} packages.
[05:55] <RAOF> bernier: And -unsupported are not supported by compiz-fusion, and so are definitely not going to be supported by Ubuntu.
[05:55] <bernier> ok, so there are no extra effects to add?
[05:55] <RAOF> bernier: If you really want to, you can get those plugins from the 0.6.0 branch of git & build them against Gutsy's compiz-dev package.
[05:55] <_dan_> how can i force apt to downgrade?
[05:56] <RAOF> bernier: Not unless you want to go outside the official archives, no.
[05:56] <bernier> ok thank you
[05:57] <RAOF> _dan_: With difficulty, generally.  What do you actually want to do?
[05:58] <_dan_> install some older pkges
[05:58] <_dan_> well dpkg did it for me
[05:58] <_dan_> had to dl manually dunno apt syntax ,)
[05:58] <RAOF> aptitude install packagename=version works, too.
[06:03] <bernier> What is the "super"key?
[06:03] <_dan_> windows key
[06:03] <_dan_> normally
[06:03] <RAOF> Windows key, generally.  Or whatever you mapped it to :)
[06:03] <bernier> ty
[06:03] <_dan_> because windows is so "super"
[06:05] <skinny7puppy> Is there a guide for vmware server install on gutsy?
[06:06] <RAOF> skinny7puppy: (09.10.41|     pkern)) ScottK: http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/09/26/how-to-install-vmware-server-on-ubuntu-710/
[06:06] <skinny7puppy> Terrific, thanks RAOF
[06:10] <bullgard4> What is the function of the /etc/init.d directory since the advent of upstart?
[06:11] <jobobo> ello! am i correct in assuming that the 2.6.22 kernel in gutsy will not have tickless support for x86_64 architecture?
[06:11] <RAOF> bullgard4: It still contains everything, for backwards-compatibility at least.
[06:12] <bullgard4> RAOF: No, it does not contain everything. Please be more precise.
[06:13] <RAOF> jobobo: That seems a reasonable assumption.  While it's possible one of the kernel team will feel it's a good idea to go crazy with upstream patches, it seems unlikely.
[06:13] <RAOF> bullgard4: It still contains everything it used to?
[06:13] <jobobo> aww :(
[06:14] <RAOF> jobobo: As an x86-64 laptop user, I sympathise.
[06:14] <bullgard4> RAOF: Yes, I can agree to your second answer much more easily. But please be so kind and tell me what it used to contain in pre-upstart times.
[06:15] <jobobo> i think i will use the i386 one then, the tickless benefits are too big to overlook :-/
[06:15] <jbinder> Does anyone know at what time and what time zone Ubuntu follows?
[06:15] <jbinder> For releasing updates.
[06:15] <RAOF> bullgard4: Oh.  The actual startup scripts.  the various /etc/rc.d directories just contain symlinks to stuff in /etc/init.d
[06:15] <jbinder> Like, in how long will Gutsy Beta be released?
[06:15] <RAOF> jbinder: UTC, generally.  And the beta will be released when it's done.
[06:15] <_dan_> see tpic
[06:15] <bullgard4> RAOF: Thank you.
[06:16] <_dan_> releaseschedule
[06:16] <jbinder> RAOF: Well the beta was scheduled for today (tomorrowish)
[06:16] <skinny7puppy> Whats the easiest way to play saved flv's in gutsy?
[06:16] <RAOF> jbinder: It should be released today, but the exact time is always a bit fluid.
[06:16] <jbinder> Oh.
[06:16] <jbinder> And right when it's released, everyone goes and makes it take a few minutes to time out ubuntu.com
[06:16] <bullgard4> jbinder: Universal time (UT). (Universal time formerly was called 'Greenwich Mean Time'.)
[06:16] <jbinder> Lol.
[06:16] <jbinder> Oh.
[06:16] <jbinder> Is that the one in England?
[06:17] <RAOF> Yes, where many of the canonical employees are, and where archive.ubuntu.com is.
[06:17] <DanaG> I still can't figure out how to do Samba so everybody can read.
[06:17] <jbinder> Oh.
[06:17] <DanaG> Or even with password.
[06:18] <Amaranth> Every time you ask when the beta will be out you delay the beta 24 hours
[06:20] <jbinder> Lol.
[06:20] <jbinder> It would never come out if that were true.
[06:20] <jbinder> Hundreds of people ask per day.
[06:20] <jbinder> Per hour..
[06:20] <jbinder> Lol.
[06:20] <jbinder> Per minute probably.
[06:20] <Amaranth> RAOF: You'd be surprised how empty Canonical's office is :)
[06:21] <RAOF> Amaranth: Oh, I know that not a lot of people actually *work
[06:21] <RAOF> there.
[06:21] <Amaranth> Then again that shouldn't be surprising since they have an entire floor of millbank tower
[06:22] <Amaranth> We had a chair race around it, tiring stuff
[06:24] <RAOF> Heh.
[06:28] <DanaG> argh, I can't open my samba server from my Windows VM.
[06:29] <_dan_> virtualbox?
[06:29] <_dan_> or vmware?
[06:29] <_dan_> or anything else? ;)
[06:29] <DanaG> Virtualbox, but using samba over a tap interface.
[06:30] <_dan_> lets see about mine
[06:31] <_dan_> hm mine works out of the box
[06:31] <_dan_> but i made samba conf by hand, ubuntu/gnome setup didnt work for me
[06:34] <DanaG> sudo smbpasswd -a dana
[06:35] <_dan_> wrong terminal
[06:35] <_dan_> :P
[06:36] <DanaG> no, I was saying what I had to do.
[06:36] <_dan_> ok :)
[06:54] <naught101> anyone know of any major discrepancies in the repositories that should stop me from upgrading from feisty to gutsy tonight?
[06:56] <_dan_> yeah
[06:56] <_dan_> generic kernel isnt working
[06:56] <_dan_> properly
[06:57] <nalioth> naught101: if you have to ask, you probably should wait until a public release candidate is here
[06:57] <naught101> _dan_: what's up with it?
[06:57] <_dan_> some modules missing (for me)
[06:57] <_dan_> like wi fi
[06:58] <_dan_> nvidia
[06:58] <_dan_> and possible others
[06:58] <naught101> which wifi drivers are you using?
[06:58] <_dan_> gutsy is IMHO not useable as everydayssystem yet
[06:58] <_dan_> ipw2200
[06:58] <RAOF> _dan_: WorksForMe.  Sure you have linux-restricted-modules-generic installed?
[06:58] <_dan_> yep
[06:58] <_dan_> RAOF maybe it works now, havend tried for 15 hours or so
[06:58] <Matir> anyone know when the next kernel release for gutsy will be?
[06:59] <RAOF> No.
[06:59] <RAOF> _dan_: Maybe you got caught in-between the -11 & -12 kernels?
[06:59] <_dan_> well i got both installed
[06:59] <_dan_> -386 kernel works fine tho
[06:59] <_dan_> maybe ill tray again l8er
[07:00] <_dan_> got gutsy on my plalaptop so its not that urgent, desktop runs feisty and i wont upgrade till release+1week
[07:00] <corevette> has the beta been release? if not when do they normall
[07:00] <corevette> *normally
[07:00] <_dan_> releaseschedule in topic
[07:01] <corevette> _dan_ it's supposed to be released today, what time do they normally?
[07:01] <Matir> corevette, when it's ready :)
[07:02] <corevette> yarg i hate those answers
[07:02] <_dan_> well since its in the middle of the night now at us
[07:02] <_dan_> i guess not any time soon
[07:02] <naught101> heh
[07:02] <corevette> will the art be final in the beta
[07:03] <Matir> actually i'd guess the release team is mostly in england or thereabouts (canonical hq)
[07:03] <_dan_> icon themes are still fucked for me
[07:03] <_dan_> at least the one i use is
[07:03] <DanaG> Tangerine icons are now brown!    I don't like brown and orange mixed with no thought to consistency.
[07:05] <naught101> mmmm.... kubuntu
[07:05] <_dan_> i am more the blubuntu fan
[07:08] <Lynoure> Oh, the yearly color debate...
[07:08] <Lynoure> I like the colour themes I choose for myself. I don't think I'd ever be sticking to the default theme.
[07:09] <DanaG> BLINK BLINK!
[07:09] <DanaG> Argh, stupid brightness-change-on-idle.
[07:10] <DanaG> Oh yeah, where was that thing about a debconf option for font renderer?
[07:11] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/121833
[07:11] <_dan_> guess no one at ubuntu expects someone to use that ugly brownish theme
[07:11] <_dan_> but i have to say
[07:11] <_dan_> it really make the looks of ubuntu unique
[07:11] <_dan_> not many distros have that
[07:12] <panosru> Hi! How can i set my page in openoffice to landscape
[07:13] <DanaG> And don't forget the frickin' huge volume OSD.
[07:13] <cdm10> Is the beta on the site yet?
[07:14] <cdm10> Okay, that was a stupid question.
[07:15] <skinny7puppy> where to find the non free codecs for gutsy?
[07:15] <DanaG> !medibuntu
[07:15] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[07:19] <nanonyme> hmm
[07:19] <nanonyme> i wonder why today there's no sound coming out of my gutsy
[07:20] <DanaG> my brightness bug; hope Launchpad responds:   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/121833
[07:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Low,Incomplete]
[07:20] <RAdams> anyone here using hamachi?
[07:40] <panosru> Hi, why Gutsy use so old emerald? (emerald: emerald version 0.3.0-svn)
[07:46] <MrKeuner> is there any delay?
[07:55] <DanaG> argh, that damnvidia blinking.
[08:06] <rathel> I forgot, what is the command to get my device id?
[08:11] <rathel> Nevermind Found it.
[08:13] <verb3k> guys is the Gutsy beta out?
[08:14] <Hobbsee> no
[08:15] <corevette> the beta is up? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=559905
[08:17] <Daisuke_Laptop> that's pre-beta
[08:17] <Daisuke_Laptop> if you read the post
[08:17] <Daisuke_Laptop> just making sure there are no huge things that will keep it from being able to be widely tested
[08:17] <verb3k> So when it is released , where can I find it?
[08:18] <Daisuke_Laptop> from the release schedule page
[08:18] <verb3k> matbe here? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/
[08:21] <verb3k> when do you think the beta will be released exactly?
[08:21] <Daisuke_Laptop> well, it's on schedule for *today*
[08:22] <Daisuke_Laptop> but i'll hazard a guess and say 12:17 and 42 seconds, Eastern Standard Time
[08:22] <Daisuke_Laptop> you did say exactly :D
[08:22] <verb3k> :)
[08:22] <verb3k> I don't want to board the hype train yet
[08:23] <verb3k> :)
[08:23] <_dan_> y not?
[08:23] <_dan_> its driving fast
[08:23] <_dan_> almost as fast as the apple train
[08:23] <Daisuke_Laptop> i've been running it here since tribe 5 came out (which puts me pretty near beta status right now), and while i do feel it's an incremental release more than feisty was, every change i've seen is for the better :)
[08:24] <_dan_> i dont know about that
[08:24] <_dan_> but there are some nice things
[08:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> i personally haven't seen anything that was worse than feisty
[08:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> i like having a single applet for appearance settings rather than having to hunt everything down individually
[08:25] <_dan_> i dont like the bulletproof x thingie
[08:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> after de-blacklisting my video card from compiz fusion, i have that working again
[08:25] <verb3k> I think this will build up a tremendously powerful 8.04 plus LTS ( hope it will be stable)
[08:25] <_dan_> wont work for me and annoys the hellout of me
[08:26] <Daisuke_Laptop> then perhaps i haven't really encountered it
[08:26] <Daisuke_Laptop> in theory, x should never crash?
[08:26] <Daisuke_Laptop> fallback to failsafes?
[08:26] <_dan_> i deinstalled it already (the gtk conf thingie)
[08:26] <_dan_> so it wont mess my xorg.conf
[08:27] <Daisuke_Laptop> i don't like the screens and graphics thing...
[08:27] <verb3k> _dan_, you may not want it but others who are newbies will appreciate it if they mess with the system
[08:27] <Daisuke_Laptop> or is that what you're talking about?
[08:28] <_dan_> possible yes
[08:28] <_dan_> but it didnt work for me with nvidia
[08:28] <Daisuke_Laptop> because i cannot for the life of me figure out how to get my tv set to the right without crashing X
[08:28] <Daisuke_Laptop> intel here
[08:28] <_dan_> so i am pretty sure, for newbies it wont work either but yes
[08:28] <_dan_> its beta
[08:28] <Daisuke_Laptop> but an intel 965
[08:28] <_dan_> so lets see what comes out
[08:29] <Daisuke_Laptop> so possibly not well-supported yet
[08:29] <_dan_> well its new, maybe it turns out great l8er
[08:29] <_dan_> just for now it annoys me
[08:29] <_dan_> i am really looking forward to the apt enabled firefox extension
[08:29] <_dan_> anyone any idea how i can use that?
[08:31] <verb3k> _dan_, seems iteresting feature
[08:31] <_dan_> there is no way in fesity (as i know of)
[08:31] <_dan_> to disable totem and say   hey use mplayer instead
[08:31] <_dan_> without messing with uninstall or moving libs
[08:32] <_dan_> so i really welcome that feature
[08:32] <DanaG> I think having TabBrowser Extension in there is very very bad.
[08:32] <_dan_> also, gutsy supports my laptop brightness settings now out of the box which is mucho mucho love
[08:32] <verb3k> you can associate them manually ( I know globally you can't)
[08:32] <DanaG> It's a dangerous, broken (even the developer admits this) extension.
[08:32] <_dan_> verb3k how?
[08:32] <DanaG> Tab Mix Plus is way better.
[08:33] <verb3k> _dan_, oh...you're talking about Firefox?
[08:34] <_dan_> yes
[08:34] <verb3k> _dan_, sorry , I thought you were talking about desktop playback.....yes that's not easily possible
[08:35] <_dan_> but saw screenshot in gutsy with taht apt enabled thing
[08:35] <_dan_> where u can easily choose via one click
[08:35] <_dan_> but i cnat find it how to do on gutsy
[08:35] <verb3k> can you show us the link?
[08:35] <_dan_> anybody?: O
[08:35] <markus> does tribe-5 have to be dist-upgraded on release or will a simple upgrade work?
[08:36] <kurros> it's part of ubufox
[08:36] <kurros> should be installed by default
[08:36] <kurros> ubuntu-desktop depends on it
[08:37] <_dan_> yeah but how can i u know
[08:37] <_dan_> come to the selection screen
[08:37] <verb3k> by the way, I am really looking forward to FF3 it's shaping to be a big release
[08:38] <_dan_> if i want to installa extension with the aptenabled thing
[08:38] <kurros> http://www.geekport.com/files/ubufox.png
[08:38] <kurros> that?
[08:38] <_dan_> how do i do that?
[08:39] <_dan_> same feature yeah but i saw a screen but cant fint it
[08:39] <kurros> if you have the ubufox package installed its there. just click Get Ubuntu Addons in the Add-ons window
[08:39] <_dan_> its on the ubuntu site feature list for gutsy
[08:39] <_dan_> cnat find it tho
[08:40] <_dan_> where is the ubuntu site for gutsy features?
[08:41] <DanaG> Oh, and that ubufox apt also misses adblock plus.
[08:41] <_dan_> ok got it
[08:41] <_dan_> sec
[08:41] <verb3k> _dan_, launchpad.net should be the place (blueprints)
[08:42] <_dan_> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/tribe5
[08:42] <_dan_> scroll down
[08:42] <_dan_> to new features for firfox
[08:42] <_dan_> first pic u can choose which plugin u wnat to use
[08:43] <kurros> yeah
[08:43] <Bryan> ALRIGHT
[08:43] <Bryan> SO
[08:43] <Bryan> errm...sorry about that....anyone got any ideas on why my sound just randomly decided it was not going to work after I updated (Ubuntu 7.10)?
[08:43] <TuTUXG> is there mediaubuntu repo for gutsy?
[08:44] <avatar_> yep
[08:44] <voidmage> TuTUXG: yep
[08:44] <_dan_> TuTUXG yes
[08:44] <TuTUXG> cool
[08:44] <Bryan> what is it.
[08:44] <voidmage> just replace feisty with gutsy in your sources.list
[08:44] <Bryan> k
[08:44] <verb3k> Bryan, maybe muted .....try alsamixer in terminal
[08:44] <TuTUXG> so if i want to upgrade it just change feisty to gutsy?
[08:44] <TuTUXG> cool
[08:44] <voidmage> deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ gutsy free non-free
[08:44] <voidmage> deb-src http://packages.medibuntu.org/ gutsy free non-free
[08:45] <TuTUXG> when the beta gonna drop?
[08:45] <voidmage> soon.
[08:45] <kurros> sound is only supported on Dell(R) computers now. didnt you see the announcement?!
[08:45] <Bryan> well I do have a dell
[08:45] <_dan_> verb3k see what i mean?
[08:45] <verb3k> _dan_, yeah
[08:45] <Bryan> inspiron 1520
[08:45] <_dan_> u happen to know how i get there?
[08:45] <kurros> _dan_: like i said its part of ubufox
[08:45] <_dan_> yeah still
[08:45] <_dan_> how do i get there
[08:46] <kurros> _dan_: er, you cant manually bring up that window
[08:46] <kurros> if you dont have flash installed (it's not OOB) the first time you goto a flash page it will come up
[08:46] <kurros> same with the media plugins
[08:46] <verb3k> right
[08:46] <verb3k> it's all about the first time I think
[08:47] <_dan_> well there must be an option to later change default setting right?
[08:47] <kurros> so instead of firefox downloading the tar gz and doings its own local installation like it has in the past it can now use the repos
[08:47] <kurros> no, its not a setting
[08:47] <verb3k> why not ask the developers
[08:48] <verb3k> to make this little button thing :)
[08:48] <verb3k> shouldn't be difficult
[08:49] <_dan_> firefox misses an option completely
[08:49] <_dan_> where u can choose which is default plugin o which has priority
[08:49] <kurros> you can just uninstall your flash plugin and goto a page if you want to see it
[08:49] <_dan_> i am trying that
[08:49] <_dan_> deinstalled als flash
[08:49] <_dan_> still playing flash
[08:49] <_dan_> ehhe
[08:50] <verb3k> _dan_, ((( MAYBE removing /home/user/.mozilla/firefox will get you a clean firefox with no config))) don't really delete it ...just move it somewhere and if nothing goes as planned bring it back to it's original place
[08:50] <verb3k> note the large maybe :)
[08:51] <_dan_> ok
[08:51] <_dan_> now
[08:51] <_dan_> i need a site with flash
[08:52] <verb3k> youtube
[08:52] <_dan_> to trigger the plugin finder
[08:52] <_dan_> a got one
[08:52] <_dan_> ahaha yaeh
[08:52] <verb3k> :)
[08:52] <_dan_> so doing that for flash now for video lets see
[08:52] <verb3k> hope it works
[08:53] <verb3k> _dan_, Note that all your bookmarks are gone
[08:53] <verb3k> 100% Fresh
[08:53] <_dan_> i didnt move .mozilla
[08:53] <_dan_> just deinstalled evrything
[08:53] <_dan_> well i got gutsy on my laptop
[08:53] <_dan_> only for playing around
[08:53] <_dan_> so nothing there to save anyway
[08:54] <verb3k> ok did it work?
[08:54] <_dan_> yes
[08:54] <_dan_> got rif of lame totem
[08:54] <_dan_> replacing with vlc plugin
[08:54] <_dan_> never tried that :O
[08:54] <verb3k> _dan_, I like the way linux saves users config files
[08:55] <_dan_> who doesnt
[08:55] <DanaG> No "Documents<SPACE>and<SPACE>Settings" here
[08:55] <gaminggeek> what is wrong with totem
[08:55] <_dan_> vlc didnt work
[08:55] <DanaG> just ~.
[08:55] <_dan_> mplayer works nice
[08:55] <_dan_> thx for the help guys
[08:55] <_dan_> well i culd live with documents and setting but what i cant live is
[08:55] <verb3k> DanaG, that's right....typing that huge string is a bad idea
[08:56] <_dan_> c:\Documents bla\something\someuser\myactualuser\something\desktop\settings
[08:56] <_dan_> and then u wont find it
[08:56] <_dan_> coz its in registry
[08:56] <verb3k> don't remind of of ActiveX and registry xD
[08:57] <kurros> or you could use %HOMEPATH%
[08:57] <verb3k> ok guys I've got to go know .....see you soon
[08:58] <_dan_> anyone running generic kernel with nvidia?
[08:59] <RAOF> _dan_: Yes :)
[09:02] <DanaG> Oh hey, here's a solution to my fonts thingy: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3401658
[09:03] <eMaX_> re
[09:04] <eMaX_> ne1 knows how to insert the current time in kate?
[09:04] <DanaG> I just need to figure out where to put that...
[09:06] <kurros> either /etc/fonts/fonts.conf or ~/.fonts.conf
[09:09] <_dan_> so anyone any idea why with generic kernel setting brightness wont work on my sony
[09:09] <_dan_> with 386 kernel it works
[09:11] <DanaG> I put it in a conf.d file, numbered 100.
[09:11] <DanaG> I assume it goes through in alpha/numeric order.
[09:11] <DanaG> Cool, now I can stop griping.
[09:11] <DanaG> Gotta restart Xorg.
[09:12] <eMaX> ne1 knows how to insert the current time in kate?
[09:12] <DanaG> Yay, I think it's better.
[09:13] <DanaG> I'm not sure, though.
[09:14] <DanaG> Hmm, it's not quite the same, but I can't describe how.
[09:14] <kurros> eMaX: hit F7 and type date?
[09:15] <kurros> eMaX: date hh:mm for time, i suppose
[09:19] <DanaG> Hmm, I'm not getting the same fringes ABOVE the letter 'o', so it's not quite the same rendering.
[09:19] <DanaG> Oh, what DPI should I set?
[09:19] <DanaG> (--) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (98, 99); computed from "UseEdidDpi" X config
[09:19] <DanaG> 98,99, or 100?
[09:19] <DanaG> The Javascript DPI Calculator says it's 99.89.
[09:20] <eMaX> kurros can I bind that to a key?
[09:21] <Bryan> alright :O I need help
[09:21] <Bryan> I'm using 7.10 and I get an error that says I don't have the right Gstreamer plugins enabled
[09:22] <RAOF> Bryan: When you do what?  I doubt that error comes up without you doing something :)
[09:22] <kurros> eMaX: dont think so
[09:22] <Bryan> when I click on the sonud icon it says "
[09:23] <eMaX> thanks anyway
[09:23] <eMaX> s
[09:23] <Bryan> The volume control did not find any elements and/or devices to control. This means either you don't have the right GStreamer plugins installed, or that you don't have a card configured
[09:23] <RAOF> Bryan: Right.  So, it can't find your sound card.
[09:23] <DanaG> Heh, editable menu shortcuts.
[09:23] <DanaG> That's a way to wreak havok.
[09:23] <DanaG> s/ok/oc/
[09:23] <Bryan> RAOF, well it started getting screws after the updates
[09:24] <Bryan> after I installed 7.10 it was fine Out of the box. Then I updated and shite hit the fan.
[09:24] <RAOF> Bryan: Right.  Happen to know what got updated?  Probably linux-ubuntu-b
[09:24] <Bryan> umm
[09:24] <RAOF> Bryan: Oh, you updated from *Feisty*?
[09:24] <Bryan> no
[09:24] <Bryan> it was a clean install
[09:24] <Bryan> and then I used the update manager
[09:25] <RAOF> Right.
[09:25] <RAOF> So, something has killed your sound card driver.  I'd guess either: and incomplete kernel upgrade, or someone broke one of the drivers.
[09:25] <Bryan> I'm guessing so
[09:25] <Bryan> I have a dell insprion 1520
[09:25] <Bryan> if that helps
[09:25] <DanaG> Oh yeah, if you custom-compile alsa-hg, you have to remove the linux-ubuntu-modules hda-intel.
[09:26] <Bryan> but I didn't custon compile
[09:26] <Bryan> I just let update manager do what it likes to do...
[09:26] <awk_> hi everyone, is there a beta release today?
[09:26] <RAOF> awk_: No, that's last week :P
[09:27] <awk_> really?
[09:27] <rents> hi, can somebody tell me why some gnome applets won't start after relogin? is it a bug?
[09:27] <RAOF> awk_: No.  See /topic :)
[09:30] <RAOF> Bryan: Hm.  Make sure you've got "linux-generic" installed...
[09:30] <Bryan> yep
[09:31] <Bryan> <IP_ADDRESS>.15
[09:32] <RAOF> Gah.
[09:34] <Bryan> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[09:34] <Bryan>
[09:34] <Bryan> if that helps :o
[09:34] <RAOF> Not really.  It just tells me that the driver isn't working.
[09:35] <Bryan> mk
[09:35] <Bryan> should I remove alsa-base and reinstall it?
[09:36] <RAOF> Probably not, that's unlikely to be where your driver resides.
[09:36] <Bryan> okay
[09:38] <Bryan> brb
[09:39] <rents> hi, can somebody tell me why some gnome applets (i.e trash & notes) won't start after relogin? is it a bug?
[09:39] <PTK> hey
[09:41] <RAOF> rents: I seem to see that after switching Xgl<->Xorg & not restarting.  I'm not sure why.
[09:41] <PTK> I'm getting random X freezes with compiz fusion, I can still SSH in, music continues to play, and i can sysreq-k to kill X (not ctrl-alt-backspace though, and I can't switch to a VT either) is this a known bug? is there a fix?
[09:43] <rents> i log out and right back in, without restarting, gnome trash and notes cannon't start and i'm asked if i want to remove them from panel
[09:45] <RAOF> rents: Ok, I don't see that.
[09:48] <cypherdelic> SEND L3 ERROR: 157 byte packet (0800:01) destined to <IP_ADDRESS> was not forwarded (libnet_write_raw_ipv4(): -1 bytes written (Operation not permitted)
[09:48] <cypherdelic> )
[09:48] <cypherdelic> I try to MITM with ettercap, but kernel seems not o supor ip4 forwarding
[09:48] <cypherdelic> SEND L3 ERROR: 157 byte packet (0800:01) destined to <IP_ADDRESS> was not forwarded (libnet_write_raw_ipv4(): -1 bytes written (Operation not permitted)
[09:49] <cypherdelic> i can see all the connections, but no password is beieing sniffed, and arp-poisoning had no successs
[09:50] <DanaG>  sudo sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1
[09:50] <cypherdelic> any ideas how to activate that?
[09:50] <cypherdelic> wll it work after restart?
[09:50] <DanaG> Put it in /etc/rc.local
[09:50] <cypherdelic> permanently or do i have to reenable?
[09:51] <cypherdelic> hm ok, but doesnt sudo requieres my pass at boot up?
[09:52] <nanonyme> erm, arp poisoning? what on earth is going on?
[09:52] <nanonyme> should i get my gun?
[09:52] <cypherdelic> why?
[09:53] <nanonyme> in case you're planning to do it on another network than your own :p
[09:53] <cypherdelic> ive got the right to sniff traffic in my LAN, and becaueit is my SWITCH i can do arp poisoning, as i like
[09:53] <cypherdelic> ok?
[09:54] <cypherdelic> but i cant even sniff my own passwords...
[09:54] <cypherdelic> ;D
[09:54] <nanonyme> sounds quite good security ;)
[09:54] <cypherdelic> no sound like a bad auditor
[09:55] <cypherdelic> 4g8 is bullshit, it redirects the traffic to me, but the connection that has been redirected, has been terminated
[09:56] <cypherdelic> the url of my second pc were send to pc1, but pc2 cant connect, so no login can proceed
[09:56] <cypherdelic> and no pw can be sniffed
[09:57] <cypherdelic> combo of dsnsiff, arpspoof is cooler
[09:58] <DanaG> What exactly is  "macintosh mouse button emulation" ?
[10:02] <DanaG> heh, this confused me for a moment: Packet Engines 'Hamachi' GNIC-II Gigabit Ethernet driver
[10:02] <DanaG> I thought it was a driver for the Hamachi software.
[10:05] <DanaG> woah, I just found a bug in the radeonhd-dbg package description:
[10:06] <DanaG> Somebody pasted the description of Intel instead of the thing saying what "debug" is.
[10:06] <RAOF> DanaG: That's awesome.  File a bug :)
[10:06] <DanaG> It has "supports ATI cards .... yadda yadda yadda.   This driver supports Intel ..... yadda yadda.
[10:06] <DanaG> "
[10:18] <Bryan> RAOF, did you happen to figure anything out ?
[10:18] <RAOF> Bryan: About your sound?  No, sorry.
[10:18] <Bryan> drat
[10:20] <Bryan> what is the command to list your sound devices?
[10:21] <RAOF> You may be interested in wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[10:24] <hafizan> hello
[10:28] <cypherdelic> SEND L3 ERROR: 28 byte packet (0800:01) destined to <IP_ADDRESS> was not forwarded (libnet_write_raw_ipv4(): -1 bytes written (Operation not permitted)
[10:28] <cypherdelic> after reboot i still get this error
[10:29] <cypherdelic> sudo sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1
[10:29] <cypherdelic> exit 0
[10:29] <cypherdelic>  --- rc.local
[10:31] <slackern> cypherdelic: is sudo needed in rc.local? it's executed by root anyhow
[10:34] <nanonyme> probably not
[10:38] <jim> cypherdelic: ahh,,, so you're setting your own thing up, your own rules etc... good! but... #networking, #iptables, #netfilter.
[10:39] <jim> or, try ipmasq
[10:39] <rents> i log out and right back in, without restarting, gnome trash and notes cannon't start and i'm asked if i want to remove them from panel
[10:39] <cypherdelic> no i want kernel ip4 forwarding just o be permanently enabled
[10:39] <rents> hi, can somebody tell me why some gnome applets (i.e trash & notes) won't start after relogin? is it a bug?
[10:41] <RAOF> rents: Yes, it's a bug.
[10:42] <rents> whyy, whyyy meee
[10:42] <cypherdelic> i got it with a simple ttercap starting script:
[10:42] <cypherdelic> gksu 'sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1' && gksu 'airmon-ng start eth1' && gksu 'ettercap --gtk'
[10:43] <RAOF> rents: Because you decided to test it for us.
[10:43] <amio> hi can I get some help please?
[10:45] <rents> :)
[10:46] <rents> RAOF, can i maybe find some log about this?
[10:47] <amio> hi can I get some help please? I have ati rv3500 ubuntu reads it as fglrx (because there is always a restricted file to install its name is fglrx, on 7.4 I had no problem with beryl runing and default feiisty effects but now when I upgraded all seems to be wrong. I can not start the advanced compiz appereance either if I install or not install the restriceted driver also beryl doesnt work. graphic card seems not working correctly because th
[10:47] <amio> e pc is very slow and when I move any window it doesnt move smoothly
[10:48] <hafizan> amio
[10:48] <hafizan> you install beryl ?
[10:48] <hafizan> how?
[10:49] <RAOF> hafizan: You don't.
[10:49] <amio> hafizan I have beryl but you mean how on 7.4 or gutsy?
[10:50] <RAOF> rents: I'm not sure where logs would be.  You could just file a bug against the package that contains those applets at bugs.ubuntu.com, and the person who looks at it may have a better idea of how to proceed.
[10:50] <RAOF> hafizan: Gutsy comes out of the box with compiz-fusion, which is what beryl has become.
[10:50] <rents> ok
[10:52] <hafizan> i'm using the 7.10
[10:52] <hafizan> one thing missing here or i didn't know the comman d for cube effect
[10:53] <RAOF> hafizan: You can install the "compizconfig-settings-manager" package, and that goes to system->preferences-
[10:53] <amio> hafizan what you mean? are you having beryl or the default gutsy effects?
[10:53] <RAOF> >advanced desktop effects.
[10:53] <hafizan> advance desktop effects
[10:55] <amio> well I tried myself this advanced by installing compiz-fusion but it did not work with me the oposite I lost all the effects the commmand for rotating the cube is ctrl+alt+ right or left button but anyway I have itworkingnow with beryl just needed to install beryl by adding the DEB  to the session
[10:55] <hafizan> how to install the  compizconfig-settings-manager
[10:55] <RAOF> !synaptic
[10:55] <ubotu> synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[10:55] <RAOF> hafizan: ^^^
[10:55] <hafizan> okay
[10:56] <RAOF> hafizan: Also, if you're unsure about how to install packages, I'd *strongly* recommend using a released version of Ubuntu.  Gutsy will almost certainly break between here and release.
[10:56] <amio> hafizan this is all in synaptic just go there ctrl+f then type compiz see all about compiz and what you can install
[10:56] <amio> I HAVE ALOT OF breaks
[10:57] <amio> all is mess the graphic drivers are not working correctly I dont know even how to reinstall the ati driver which I have does any one know about that?
[10:58] <hafizan> thanks alot
[10:58] <amio> its alright
[10:59] <hafizan> but why in default gusty didn't support intel motherboard sound driver.
[10:59] <amio> well its still lets say like a beta
[10:59] <amio> its not perfect yet the final release will be in october I think 14th
[10:59] <hafizan> ohh
[11:00] <amio> still with alot of bugs
[11:00] <hafizan> for now i  just sound problem,but have been solved
[11:01] <hafizan> other fine
[11:01] <amio> I have problem with the driver only of ati its not working
[11:01] <amio> and can not start the effects at all gives me an error
[11:02] <amio> nor default effects neither beryl
[11:04] <DanaG> Odd: when I shut down, my system does a reboot instead.
[11:09] <hafizan> which one the cube effect up and down
[11:09] <defcon_> isnt the beta supposed to be released today?
[11:09] <_dan_> guess so
[11:09] <hafizan> i try   crtl alt up  and down doesn't work
[11:11] <defcon_> https://iso.qa.stgraber.org <-- beta right?
[11:13] <ikonia_> doesn't look official
[11:14] <RAOF> defcon_: Not yet, although it may become the beta disc.  Anyway, the beta disc is unlikely to look substantially different.
[11:14] <defcon_> ok
[11:14] <ramvi> Just got home from work. Ready to squeeze those bugs!
[11:22] <unggnu> hi all
[11:22] <unggnu> Somebody using compiz with resolution of 1680x1050 or higher?
[11:24] <RAOF> Yes, me.
[11:29] <gnomefreak> who was it that had issue supgrading with envy instralled?
[11:29] <gnomefreak> .win 12
[11:30] <Morrowyn> hi
[11:30] <Morrowyn> when 7.10 is release, can i easily upgrade to it from 7.04 ?
[11:30] <Morrowyn> released^
[11:32] <RAOF> Yes
[11:33] <slackern> Is Gnome 2.20 slightly faster now or is it just another thing of my imagination or maybe it's Gutsy in general compared to Feisty?
[11:35] <defcon_> ok this is a serious bug that effects thousands of people that run the ralink chipsets "https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/34902" will this be fixed in gutsy?
[11:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 34902 in ubuntu "Ralink Wireless legacy drivers (rt2500 rt61 rt73 rt2570) USB/PCMCIA/PCI hangs PC" [High,Confirmed]
[11:35] <defcon_>  all tribe versions havnt fixed it yet
[11:36] <RAOF> defcon_: Since the bug doesn't say "fix released", I'd guess not
[11:36] <defcon_> damn that sucks, these people wont even be able to boot up
[11:36] <defcon_> i cant even boot gutsy it kernel panics
[11:37] <RAOF> Ow
[11:42] <unggnu> RAOF, which graphic card?
[11:43] <unggnu> defcon_, there is still some time but if it is a complicated bug
[11:44] <RAOF> unggnu: nvidia.  Even on ATI or Intel that should work.
[11:46] <unggnu> RAOF, No, Ati and compiz only work with Xgl afaik.
[11:46] <unggnu> RAOF, I have an Intel 915 chipset and 1680x1050 on my external screen lags.
[11:46] <RAOF> unggnu: Depends on the card (or rather, the driver), and anyway, it should still work.
[11:46] <unggnu> 1366x768 works fine so I am not sure if it is only a performance problem.
[11:48] <RAOF> unggnu: You're not using Xgl?  It may just be a performance problem though, yes
[11:48] <unggnu> RAOF, Afaik desktop effects using aiglx on Feisty/Gutsy so there is no need for a sepparate X server.
[11:49] <RAOF> More or less true.
[11:49] <RAOF> But you can use xgl if you like.
[11:49] <RAOF> It's probably a performance problem, though.
[11:50] <unggnu> I guess so but it is a big performance difference while resolution difference isn't that huge.
[11:51] <unggnu> Is there any "tunning howto" for compiz?
[11:52] <spikeb> heh
[11:52] <spikeb> i wish
[11:52] <spikeb> compiz bogs down my machine like crazy if i use it
[11:55] <ramvi_> what time is the beta due?
[11:57] <defcon_> dunno, if I install gutsy beta will it upgrade itself to the final?
[11:57] <defcon_> without probs?
[12:00] <slackern> !upgrade
[12:00] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[12:00] <slackern> bah
[12:01] <slackern> defcon_: It should, but it's still in development so nothing is certain :)
[12:01] <defcon_> ;]
[12:03] <ramvi_> Well, not automatically...
[12:05] <jscinoz> Is it possible to get audio output over HDMI with the snd-hda-intel alsa driver? If so how?
[12:05] <slackern> !final | defcon_
[12:05] <ubotu> defcon_: If you installed a Tribe/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Gutsy. To make sure, type  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  in a console.
[12:06] <slackern> took me a while to figure out what the command for that was :)
[12:06] <defcon_> ;]
[12:06] <defcon_> is it a bad idea to dist upgrade from fiesty to gutsy?
[12:07] <slackern> defcon_: I did it once just to try and it worked for me, im now running a tribe5 clean installation though just to try it out that way
[12:07] <_dan_> defcon_ yes
[12:07] <defcon_> i thought so
[12:09] <slackern> phew, had headache for the last 12 hours and it finally went away \o/
[12:09] <defcon_> same here lol
[12:09] <defcon_> Excedrin rocks
[12:09] <slackern> hehe
[12:14] <SpiritD> is it today that the gutsy beta comes out???
[12:15] <defcon_> yes
[12:15] <defcon_> sometime today
[12:15] <SpiritD> oki
[12:15] <jscinoz> gutsy beta?
[12:16] <jscinoz> arent we already using that
[12:16] <SpiritD> no idea what time or nefing?
[12:16] <jscinoz> or are we using alpha?
[12:16] <ramvi_> yep
[12:16] <SpiritD> tribe 5
[12:17] <SpiritD> defcon_, do you know if it will just be an update for the tribe systems?
[12:17] <zerwas> Does somebody know if there is an open bug report for the slow loading icons in "Applications Places System"?
[12:17] <defcon_> yes
[12:17] <jscinoz> whats final gutsy release date? oct19?
[12:17] <defcon_> just apt-get update && apt-get upgrade from tribe
[12:17] <defcon_> 18th
[12:19] <jscinoz> Is it possible to get audio output over HDMI with the snd-hda-intel alsa driver? If so how?
[12:19] <ikonia_> jscinoz you just asked that in #ubuntu
[12:20] <rom1v> gnomefreak: where can I contact asak
[12:20] <jscinoz> yeah... but different people here, maybe another chance :P
[12:20] <AnRkey> I am having some problems with apt-get and the hotkey-setup package. Not sure if it's a bug. Here is my output http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38791/ Can some1 take a look at it for me?
[12:20] <darkstar> hi everybody. can anyone tell me why after installing tribe 5 i386 and applying proposed updates, I find myself with a X86_64 system, now?
[12:21] <ikonia_> jscinoz: no - you're asking in in appropriate channels, your not running gusty - this channel is for gusty support, not a back up if you don't get an answer in #ubuntu
[12:21] <ikonia_> darkstar you installed the the wrong cd ?
[12:21] <AnRkey> darkstar, you sure you downloaded the correct ISO?
[12:21] <neildarlow> darkstar: maybe proposed-updates isn't in place for an unreleased version and it's broken
[12:21] <darkstar> Nope. installed i386 and was asked to apply 480+ updates...
[12:21] <darkstar> I am positive.
[12:22] <AnRkey> hmm
[12:22] <AnRkey> odd
[12:22] <jscinoz> well bye
[12:22] <darkstar> It basically ran a distribution upgrade, instead..
[12:22] <ikonia_> darkstar it can't update from 32 to 64
[12:22] <darkstar> Not that I am complaining about it. Just looks funny to me
[12:22] <ikonia_> it must be the wrong cd
[12:23] <darkstar> ikonia_: I am positive it is an i386
[12:23] <darkstar> ikonia_: that's why it looked strange..
[12:26] <darkstar> neildarlow:  as I said it looks weird to me
[12:26] <ikonia_> darkstar can't be
[12:27] <neildarlow> darkstar: did you really expect it to work?
[12:28] <darkstar> all: I am as amazed as you guys are. I installed the i3
[12:28] <ikonia_> maybe the name on the cdrom was wrong
[12:28] <ikonia_> as you can't update from 32 to 64 bit
[12:29] <scizzo-> darkstar: run: uname -a
[12:29] <scizzo-> paste the full line in here
[12:29] <darkstar> but installed packages were NOT deb64!
[12:29] <scizzo-> or if you are using irssi: /exec -o uname -a
[12:29] <scizzo-> Linux psycho 2.6.22-12-server #1 SMP Thu Sep 20 19:25:44 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[12:30] <darkstar> When I ran update manager and accepted proposed upgrades it went through a complete deb64 install
[12:30] <scizzo-> is the result in that case
[12:31] <scizzo-> darkstar: you say you are positive and not complaining but still you are not following the instructions to get information about the computer so we can see what is going on with the machine
[12:31] <ikonia_> darkstar run uname -a
[12:32] <darkstar> Linux w62-gutsy 2.6.22-12-generic #1 SMP Sun Sep 23 20:03:18 GMT 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[12:32] <scizzo-> nice
[12:32] <scizzo-> he does it when ikonia_ asks
[12:32] <ikonia_> thats not possible
[12:32] <darkstar> scizzo: nice what
[12:32] <scizzo-> I am out of here
[12:32] <ikonia_> you can't update from 32 bit
[12:32] <darkstar> You gottra believe me..
[12:33] <darkstar> Alright, then. suppose this can't be. What happened, then?
[12:33] <AnRkey> I am having some problems with apt-get and the hotkey-setup package. Not sure if it's a bug. Here is my output http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38791/ Can some1 take a look at it for me?
[12:33] <scizzo-> darkstar: mount the CD you installed from and then let someone help you to look at the CD to confirm that the image is actually correct
[12:34] <darkstar> scizzo, hold on. I'll mount the install CD
[12:36] <ikonia_> darkstar did you install from cd or from the upgrade process ?
[12:37] <scizzo-> ikonia_: CD -> Update to gutsy
[12:37] <ikonia_> so a fesity cd install then an update to gusty
[12:37] <scizzo-> ikonia_: he says that the update to gutsy was causing the 32bit to 64bit
[12:37] <ikonia_> I can't accept that
[12:37] <ikonia_> it can't update an arch
[12:37] <scizzo-> ikonia_: well either that....or from tribe 5 CD
[12:37] <darkstar> ikonica_: from the CD and I just found out that it is an AMD64 architechture... Sorry for the panica I caused :)
[12:37] <ikonia_> I knew it
[12:38] <scizzo-> darkstar: ok.....as you can see its often easier to do one thing at the time
[12:38] <darkstar> scizzo: one thing at the time menaing what?
[12:39] <scizzo-> darkstar: error searching
[12:40] <darkstar> scizzo: right... But I finished installing and upgrading about two hours ago.... SHould have taken more time to think about it. You're right.
[12:41] <panosru> how to install flash player on firefox ? (i'm on gutsy 64bit)
[12:41] <ikonia_> gnash is the only option
[12:41] <ikonia_> and its buggy
[12:41] <panosru> hm..
[12:41] <darkstar> panosru: like I did: install ia32libs..
[12:41] <panosru> ok i will install 32bit libs an then install firefox 32bit and install plugins?
[12:42] <darkstar> should work.
[12:42] <_dan_> dont use 64bit when u dont need it
[12:42] <ikonia_> and there is the key advice
[12:42] <_dan_> no point in doing so imho
[12:42] <ikonia_> and the advice thats most ignored as 64 bit is twice as fast as 32 bit.....etc
[12:44] <afief> Shouldn't the Beta release be today?
[12:44] <darkstar> ikonia_: it's not that. Can't be twice as fast as the 32 bit. However if you install a development version, like you and I did, why not installing your architecture and get along with all its problems?
[12:45] <ikonia_> darkstar of course its not twice as fast, I was being sarcastic, but thats what all the people who ignore the advice say
[12:46] <Tomcat_> It's still a good idea to use 64 bit when it's available. :)
[12:47] <Tomcat_> No use staying on old technology all the time...
[12:47] <ikonia_> Tomcat_ depends on your needs
[12:47] <_dan_> no its not a good idea actually
[12:47] <darkstar> Right... Still I suppose if you install an unstable branch of no  matters which distribution you know you're going to face issues. That said, this makes me think installing your own architecture is a right choice
[12:47] <_dan_> just gives u trouble and no speed increase *at all*
[12:48] <Tomcat_> But I'm rather using 32bit with 64bit CPU because there are too many disadvantages on 64bit.
[12:48] <darkstar> _da_ why not dropping x86_64 completely, then? what is the use of spending thousands of hours developing an otherwise useless architechture?
[12:49] <ikonia_> darkstar because thats how it develops
[12:49] <ikonia_> and its not usless
[12:49] <_dan_> some say its very usefull for servers
[12:49] <_dan_> when u have big ram sizes
[12:49] <ikonia_> its massivly useful for server and specific desktop requirments
[12:49] <_dan_> since u can addrss more ram
[12:49] <darkstar> Yes but to keep it under development you need guys who install it, run it and crash it, right?
[12:49] <ikonia_> yes
[12:50] <ikonia_> people who can feedback on it
[12:50] <ikonia_> not say "I want flash to work please fix"
[12:51] <darkstar> well we'll all get to the point of having flash animations working under 64b
[12:51] <ikonia_>  you're missing the point
[12:52] <darkstar> I dont't tjink so, ikonia. Just as a choice of freedom i believe that one should install a development version 8either a stable one) of choice. Then he/she should get along with the issues deriving from his/her choice. Just like life...
[12:53] <neildarlow> how about installing 64 bit on a 64 bit system and running 32 bit virualized?
[12:53] <neildarlow> s/virualized/virtualized/
[12:53] <darkstar> need to get some food. BRB
[12:53] <ikonia_> neildarlow done that many times
[12:53] <ikonia_> an excellent development aid
[12:54] <neildarlow> and you confine 32 bit operation/breakage to its own environment
[12:54] <Ng> is there a "correct" way to do encrypted home partitions in Gutsy?
[12:54] <Ng> I don't wanna do it in a way that won't be automatically loved in Hardy ;)
[12:55] <_dan_> well
[12:55] <_dan_> yes
[12:55] <_dan_> its eazy woth PAM
[12:55] <_dan_> crypto home gets mounted when u login
[12:55] <_dan_> there is a howto *somewhere* on forums/wiki
[12:57] <Ng> ok I'll have a look, thanks
[12:58] <Xero> Can you 'nest' VMs within each other?
[12:59] <neildarlow> Xero: virtualizing virtual hardware. might be problematic
[01:01] <Xero> I'm not talking virtual virtual hardware, I'm talking virtual virtual virtual virtual hardware
[01:01] <neildarlow> Xero: most likely to be problematic :)
[01:01] <SpiritD> oO
[01:03] <Xero> gtg
[01:06] <branstrom> How do I get rid of the dialog "The X system keyboard settings differ from your current GNOME keyboard settings" ? How do I set my GNOME keyboard layout?
[01:06] <branstrom> It always pops up when I log in
[01:23] <rhYaN`> hello
[01:23] <rhYaN`> how to set into starup my apache, mysql, im using xampp
[01:24] <Pici> rhYaN`: On Gutsy?
[01:24] <rhYaN`> im using ubuntu 7.04
[01:24] <rhYaN`> fiesty
[01:24] <Pici> rhYaN`: The support channel for 7.04 is #ubuntu, this current channel is only for 7.10/Gutsy.
[01:25] <rhYaN`> ahh ok tnx
[01:25] <rhYaN`> by the way, what is the difference of fiesty and gutsy?
[01:25] <_dan_> gutsy is the current development version of ubuntu
[01:26] <_dan_> its not released yet
[01:26] <rhYaN`> ahh ok... when the gutsy will be release?
[01:26] <_dan_> half a month or so
[01:26] <_dan_> see topic for concrete date
[01:27] <rhYaN`> is beryl compatible in that version?
[01:27] <Pici> rhYaN`: Gutsy will include compiz-fusion by default.
[01:28] <rhYaN`> what do you mean by that?
[01:28] <rhYaN`> sorry this is my first time inn linux
[01:28] <avatar_> today beta1 will be released
[01:29] <Pici> rhYaN`: Its a newer version of Beryl
[01:29] <rhYaN`> ahh ok very nice... brb i take my dinner :D
[01:30] <rom1v> beta1 of what?
[01:30] <Pici> rom1v: Gutsy...
[01:31] <rom1v> if I have tribes5
[01:31] <rom1v> and I update from apt-get
[01:31] <Pici> !final | rom1v
[01:31] <rom1v> it's the same?
[01:31] <ubotu> rom1v: If you installed a Tribe/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Gutsy. To make sure, type  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  in a console.
[01:31] <rom1v> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:31] <rom1v> oups
[01:31] <rom1v> I believed I was in the konsole :)
[01:31] <rom1v> ok
[01:31] <Pici> :)
[01:32] <_dan_> rhYaN` if thats ya first ime, dont use an unstable distribution
[01:32] <rom1v> -believed +thought
[01:32] <_dan_> use 7.04
[01:32] <phire> odd
[01:33] <phire> my /proc/bus/usb is empty
[01:35] <phire> ah, mounting usbfs in it fixes it
[01:43] <_dan_> uuh
[01:43] <_dan_> 32bit emu on 64bit linux has local root exploit
[01:48] <rhYaN`> hi, no body answer my concern in #ubuntu
[01:48] <rhYaN`> any one can help me here?
[01:50] <_dan_> u can try postin a question@ubuntu forums
[01:50] <_dan_> ppl are usually very helpfull there
[01:54] <Pici> rhYaN`: I sent you a response in #ubuntu, did you see it?
[01:54] <Pici> rhYaN`: er, nevermind
[02:08] <nikolam> Hmm I have "raid" option in bios but xbuntu amd64 7.04 wont boot with that set on.
[02:08] <nikolam> Does Gutsy can use fakeraid (dmraid) setups?
[02:09] <nikolam> Or to coexist with linux software raid together with win`s software raid with Bios support (dmraid)?
[02:09] <stefg> nikolam: you need the alternate installer for raid setups
[02:09] <nikolam> i know. Only alternate i u se nayway
[02:10] <nikolam> Question is how to boot system when that sotware raid is enabled in bios.
[02:10] <stefg> usually the kernel doesn't use the fajeraid onboard controllers, but presents the disks separate, so you can use lvm on tehm
[02:11] <nikolam> But if I use LVM, i cant use bios`s fake raid on win and have dual boot?
[02:11] <stefg> nikolam: you have to find a proper driver if you want to use the fakeraid controller on your mobo
[02:11] <nikolam> I know that win part.
[02:12] <nikolam> Lin. Part with grub/dual boot and lvm as you sugessted is unknown.
[02:12] <Eq|work> it's a really really bad idea
[02:12] <Eq|work> it WILL cause issues
[02:12] <Eq|work> and most likely WILL break
[02:12] <Eq|work> and you CANNOT migrate the drives to other boards
[02:12] <nikolam> i currently use dual boot with non-raid win and linux software raid without lvm
[02:13] <stefg> so what's wrong with taht ?
[02:13] <nikolam> I also have software raid option in XP. It works
[02:14] <nikolam> But don`t know how to make both xp`s and linux software raids to dual boot
[02:14] <hylje> cross-platform software raid is asking for trouble
[02:14] <stefg> Fakeraid controllers a usually a stupid idea... the CPU does the work anyway, so why add extra complexity
[02:14] <nikolam> Maybe 1. make xp sof raid 2. install linux soft raid 2. grub install and dual boot.
[02:15] <nikolam> I know. So, anyway, i should turn it off in bios and use both software raids, but XP software raid uses only altered ntfs disks, I cant install linux on..
[02:16] <nikolam> So my thinking is give xp its fake raid on partition and use linux soft raid on the rest of the space.
[02:17] <nikolam> But i think that I cant install linux on dmraid device or grub on disk with fakeraid setup on partition.
[02:20] <chronographer> Hi all I got a problem in gutsy, I cannot run both dual monitors (set up in Screens and Graphics) and also compiz at the same time. If dual screens is on, compiz segfaults if dual screens off, compiz is fine.
[02:21] <chronographer> so... Can anyone recommend a fix? i.e. should I try to run compiz on one screen while not on the other? or should I set up dual monitors differntly?
[02:22] <nikolam> Hmm. Will it work if one X session is started on one monitor and another session on other monitor?
[02:22] <chronographer> I don't know, i never tried that
[02:23] <chronographer> sounds complex
[02:23] <chronographer> the other monitor is a tv. used for playing movies and kids shows
[02:23] <chronographer> in my other install i have it set up as a unique monitor, but I think gutsys control panel makes it all one wide desktop
[02:24] <nikolam> when I type startx (or when you login throught gdm) it reads some setup. But what if you start another X from console (alt+F2) that have ist own xorg conf , its ogn second gdm etc etc..
[02:26] <chronographer> unfortunately that still sounds too hard. If I do that, i will need to remote desktop in to change things like, play a movie over there. mousing around on a 640 tv screen sucks
[02:26] <chronographer> I might fiddle with my xorg again, try a different method of dual monitor stuff.  maybe nvidias gui?
[02:26] <nikolam> You switch X server with ctrl+alt+F7, F8,F9.. :)
[02:27] <chronographer> ok.. so I could have one with two screens, one with conmpiz eh?
[02:28] <chronographer> can I set F7 to use a certain xorg, and F8 another?
[02:28] <nikolam> I can log multiple users and start multiple X sessions on same monitor. But never tried with multiple monitors. But should not be a problem. Just choose where (on what display) should it put its output in second X setup, I think..
[02:30] <nikolam> Yes , i think. but dont know about if compiz takes over it completely. i would: Start compiz on one (with no dual monitor) and go to console alt-F2 and atart another X but making shure to pass it options for startin on another monitor.
[02:30] <nikolam> Never tryed it actually, just gessing.
[02:30] <chronographer> yreah ok. how do you set it to use a different xorg?
[02:31] <nikolam> I think like passing some option eather if you start gdm or if you start startx directly.
[02:31] <ReL1K> anyone here listen to sirius? if so what are they using to play it?
[02:31] <ReL1K> can't get sipie to work
[02:31] <nikolam> see some manual on startx for second xorg.conf and diplay choose.  Didnt tryed that reely.
[02:32] <chronographer> ok
[02:32] <chronographer> never heard sirius
[02:34] <martalli> Since I disabled xgl, gutsy seems to be working OK.  Here's to the upcoming beta release!
[02:34] <ReL1K> sirius satellite radio?
[02:36] <rom1v> where can I download kubuntu gutsy beta
[02:36] <kwadronaut> any plans to fix gutsy's ekiga with the upstream debian fix? (symbol lookup errors )
[02:36] <kwadronaut> rom1v: get the server install and apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:37] <rom1v> I have kubuntu-gutsy tribes 5 in cd, there isn't kubuntu gutsy beta
[02:37] <rom1v> directly with kde?
[02:37] <ReL1K> rom1v, google download kubuntu gutsty
[02:37] <martalli> rom1v: Also you could check google and find: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/gutsy/tribe-5/
[02:37] <ReL1K> rom1v, tribe is beta
[02:37] <avatar_> kwadronaut: check your mirror again
[02:37] <ReL1K> well pretty much, its not officially beta yet
[02:37] <avatar_> ReL1K: tribe is alpha
[02:38] <rom1v> but some said beta was out today
[02:38] <martalli> I thought the tribe was alpha....but the beta is scheduled to come out today
[02:38] <martalli> There haven't been many updates from the servers for a day or so...I guess they have frozen everything for the beta
[02:38] <ReL1K> avatar_: pretty much exactly what i said
[02:38] <Hobbsee> tribe is alpha, beta will be out today
[02:38] <rom1v> ok
[02:38] <Hobbsee> and you guys fail at patience.
[02:38] <chronographer> i just install gutsy today. it recognised all my hardware, even installed my printer automagically!
[02:39] <rom1v> great!
[02:39] <rom1v> I installed gutsy for that reason, my hardware  was not recognized
[02:39] <rom1v> by feisty
[02:39] <martalli> Hobbsee: I have plenty of patience.  I have been on the alpha for a month and a half =)
[02:39] <Hobbsee> :P
[02:39] <rom1v> but I have a bug with my wifi driver
[02:39] <rom1v> I can't use my wifi card:(
[02:39] <chronographer> just cant use my tv as second screen and compiz at the same time...
[02:39] <chronographer> damn. that sucks
[02:39] <rom1v> it strange because some people with exactly the same computer can
[02:39] <chronographer> google it!  you will find a solution!
[02:39] <rom1v> I reported the bug
[02:40] <sindile_> how do you connect to bluetooth get this error obex://[00:12:62:5d:58:e9] " is not a valid location with BluetoothManager
[02:40] <rom1v> "google it!  you will find a solution!"
[02:40] <rom1v> I took about 8h
[02:40] <rom1v> to find a solution
[02:40] <rom1v> but there wasn't
[02:40] <rom1v> :(
[02:40] <chronographer> I tried to converty a friend but his touchscreen (tablet pc) wouldn't work... so he stuck with XP
[02:40] <qzio> rom1v: tried the madwifi driver?
[02:40] <chronographer> damn... 8 hours is a long time
[02:40] <rom1v> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/144882
[02:40] <rom1v> here is my bug
[02:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144882 in network-manager "ioctl[SIOCSIWAUTH] : Operation not supported" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[02:40] <qzio> oh wait, what kind of card is it?
[02:40] <ReL1K> anyone got dual heads working on t61 intel drivers?
[02:44] <jiphex> Hello, just downloaded the CD testing ISO version of gutsy and tried an install, but it chose the migration assistant by default (didn't ask me), and now the migration assistant has failed at 88% installation and the installation has stalled
[02:44] <Laibsch> When calling "man" under edgy, the info page would "remain on-screen" after quiting the man page.  That is not the case anymore with gutsy.  Is that configurable?
[02:45] <Laibsch> Take a look at http://oz.leggewie.org/tmp.txt for a better, more graphical explanation of what I mean.
[02:45] <jiphex> my error > http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38802
[02:46] <kwadronaut> avatar_: no luck... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/opal/+bug/117732
[02:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117732 in ekiga "ABI changed without a corresponding soname change" [High,Fix committed]
[02:46] <kwadronaut> fix committed but not yet in repo.
[02:48] <Trewas> Laibsch: that depends on the pager and what it does when it quits, it can be changed with "update-alternatives --config pager" (as root)
[02:50] <contrast83> Greets, everyone...
[02:50] <contrast83> My Compiz is completely screwed - http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=516373 Any ideas?
[02:50] <ReL1K> anyone know how to change from metacity?
[02:51] <Laibsch> Trewas: Both boxes are configured the same, IOW they use less
[02:52] <chronographer> compiz --replace
[02:52] <chronographer> or metacity --replace
[02:52] <chronographer> to go back
[02:53] <mrtimdog> Laibsch: it may also depend on the terminals capabilities.
[02:54] <Trewas> Laibsch: "more" as pager here leaves the text and "most" and "less" clear it, but maybe the terminal etc also affects it
[02:54] <Laibsch> mrtimdog: Thanks for the hint.  It seems I have hit some problems there that I wanted to adress at a later time (encoding problems).  How do I find out about the terminal capabilities and how to I fix them?
[02:55] <Laibsch> mrtimdog: TERMCAP?
[02:55] <mikedep333> hey, I am interested in grabbing the official beta release since the 9/25.2 build seems to have a failing installer for me. Is it available in CD form yet (my net connection is too slow to download the dvd)?
[02:55] <avatar_> mikedep333: check releases.ubuntu.com
[02:56] <mikedep333> thx
[02:56] <mikedep333> I was looking at cdimage.ubuntu.com
[02:56] <Ng> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/gutsybeta :)
[02:58] <Laibsch> Trewas & mrtimdog: Looks like setting TERMCAP is at least not sufficient
[02:58] <unggnu> Anybody here with intel graphic?
[02:58] <mrtimdog> Laibsch: what's your TERM env var set to, is it the same in both terms?
[02:59] <Trewas> Laibsch: setting TERM to vt100 instead of the default xterm seems to change it
[02:59] <Ng> unggnu: I have an i855GM
[02:59] <Laibsch> Trewas & mrtimdog: this does not seem to be a gutsy vs edgy issue
[02:59] <branstrom> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/gutsybeta#head-c37ee1849c1c754f07736bf7d37acd0592a198c4 "Dynamic screen configuration" sounds interesting for my TV-out setup. I haven't got it working yet...
[02:59] <branstrom> How would I enable xrandr?
[03:00] <ReL1K> unggnu, yes alot of us
[03:00] <ReL1K> and they are still buggy
[03:00] <ReL1K> mines still blacklisted
[03:00] <Laibsch> Trewas & mrtimdog: It does not work in a regular shell (IOW xterm) on the edgy box
[03:00] <unggnu> Ng, does compiz with xv work for you Ng?
[03:00] <mrtimdog> Laibsch: no, it's a common unix issue.
[03:00] <Laibsch> Trewas & mrtimdog: It works inside screen on both boxes
[03:01] <ReL1K> unggnu i got a fix for ya
[03:01] <ReL1K> hangon
[03:01] <Laibsch> Trewas: Thanks, I will try vt100
[03:01] <Ng> unggnu: providing I don't suspend/resume, yes
[03:01] <unggnu> Could anybody with intel graphic card and new Intel driver check this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/141063 ?
[03:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 141063 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "new Intel driver freezes system on video play after changing to console" [Undecided,New]
[03:01] <mikedep333> hmm
[03:01] <unggnu> It has nothing to do with suspend resume, it is just console change
[03:01] <mikedep333> this might be my problem with the two day old desktop cd
[03:01] <ReL1K> unggnu: at the shell type SKIP_CHECKS=yes compiz --replace &
[03:01] <mikedep333> The desktop CD sometimes suffers kernel oopses in the "unionfs" driver, which manifests itself as random program crashes, the installation getting stuck, or similar. It usually helps to just reboot and restart the installation. (https://launchpad.net/bugs/144945)
[03:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144945 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "kernel Oops in unionfs with l-u-m version 2.6.22-12.32 using Edubuntu amd64 daily 200709025" [High,New]
[03:01] <mikedep333> you gotta love the "kernel oopses"
[03:02] <unggnu> ReL1K, But it even happen without compiz
[03:02] <Laibsch> Trewas: Thanks a million.  vt100 indeed works fine.  How do I make that permanent and consistent for all users?
[03:02] <ReL1K> unggnu, yea suspend/hibernate is broke on mine as well
[03:02] <ReL1K> also if im using a screensaver
[03:02] <ReL1K> hangs sometimes
[03:02] <ReL1K> can use a black screen
[03:02] <ReL1K> to fix
[03:02] <unggnu> ReL1K, No, suspend works fine for me even with compiz :)
[03:02] <ReL1K> ahh
[03:02] <ReL1K> interesting
[03:02] <unggnu> ok, sometimes the gray rectangle bug
[03:02] <unggnu> but this one is known
[03:03] <unggnu> Ng, would be great if you could check it.
[03:04] <ReL1K> unggnu: you didn't happen to get dual heads working
[03:04] <ReL1K> one thing im lacking
[03:04] <Ng> unggnu: sure
[03:04] <unggnu> ReL1K, Work fine since Gutsy and new intel driver.
[03:04] <ReL1K> really?
[03:04] <ReL1K> hmmm
[03:04] <unggnu> Ng, A comment would be great.
[03:04] <ReL1K> are you using xrandr?
[03:04] <unggnu> ReL1K, Yes, to disable lfp.
[03:05] <ReL1K> i have a docking station, one with VGA, the other with DVI
[03:05] <ReL1K> can't get them both to span
[03:05] <unggnu> ReL1K, Docking station yes, DVI not.
[03:05] <Laibsch> Trewas: /etc/environment ?
[03:05] <Ng> unggnu: I can play video and switch to/from console fine, but we have fairly different chipsets ;)
[03:05] <Laibsch> Trewas: That file is so far empty
[03:05] <ReL1K> dvi's working fine, can't get it to span over the vga one
[03:05] <unggnu> Ng, So you play a video with xv, close it, change to console and back and then playing a video works fine?
[03:05] <unggnu> Ng, But you use the intel driver not the i810?
[03:06] <unggnu> ReL1K, It automatically starts with clone mode on my laptop if an external screen is connected.
[03:06] <ReL1K> yea, same here, but it has to be the laptop screen not the two monitors
[03:07] <unggnu> ReL1K, disable them with xrandr
[03:07] <Ng> unggnu: yep. and using the intel driver. you're using i9xx and Im i8xx, so I wouldn't expect to see the same bugs (and I'm fairly sure I heard some talk of the i9xx support in the -intel driver having some Xv issues)
[03:07] <unggnu> Ok, thanks.
[03:07] <sindile_> solved my bluetooth
[03:07] <unggnu> Ng, So you haven't the grey rectangle problem too?
[03:07] <unggnu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/127101
[03:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127101 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "laptop hangs when switching video mode" [Unknown,In progress]
[03:08] <mrtimdog> Trewas: look in /etc/login.defs, and at TTYTYPE_FILE within.
[03:08] <penguincentral> hi, i find that when i try to manually add contacts into gizmo project 3.1 (i run ubuntu 7.10alpha5), Gizmo crashes on me.  Can anyone help me, or are there other places to go?
[03:08] <chronographer> hello. Is there a forum to ask folks about compiz in ubuntu?
[03:08] <mrtimdog> Trewas: sorry that was supposed to be Laibsch:
[03:08] <Ng> unggnu: doesn't seem like it
[03:09] <sindile_> Solved my BluetoothManager problem may be implementation of this would be very useful to a new user https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/bluez-gnome/+bug/131530
[03:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131530 in bluez-gnome "'Browse device...' in the bluetooth applet is useless without gnome-vfs-obexftp" [Medium,Confirmed]
[03:09] <chronographer> IRC for desktop effects?
[03:09] <unggnu> Ng, weird. Maybe you still using i810 driver or it is really a chipset issue.
[03:10] <mrtimdog> chronographer: #ubuntu-effects
[03:10] <chronographer> thanks
[03:11] <Ng> unggnu: no I'm definitely using the intel driver. I think it's purely because we have different hardware
[03:11] <Ng> unggnu: I see some weird bugs that almost nobody else does :)
[03:12] <unggnu> Yeah, I know this feeling ;)
[03:12] <Laibsch> mrtimdog: I don't understand what value I would need to set TTYTYPE_FILE to.  Should that point to a file that I need to create?
[03:17] <mrtimdog> Laibsch: I'm thinking that's the wrong place now, as you said it's for many users.
[03:19] <nb-au> should the torrents be rejecting my bittorrent?
[03:20] <branstrom> How I enable xrandr as mentioned in http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/gutsybeta#head-c37ee1849c1c754f07736bf7d37acd0592a198c4
[03:20] <branstrom> ?
[03:21] <LjL> Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) Beta 1 is out
[03:22] <rom1v> gnomefreak: are u there?
[03:22] <branstrom> Does anyone know about xrandr? :)
[03:23] <gnomefreak> rom1v: yes i am but no im not, im in the middle of something
[03:23] <rom1v> ok
[03:24] <blue|palm> is there a way to dist-upgrade to gutsy from feisty now already?
[03:25] <nb-au> LjL: the torrents still dont work :(
[03:25] <mc44> update-manager -d, blue|palm
[03:25] <LjL> nb-au, are you already running gutsy?
[03:25] <nb-au> yep
[03:25] <blue|palm> mc44, next question, how safe is it atm?
[03:25] <mc44> blue|palm: well, it's "beta"
[03:25] <nb-au> wanna reformat though a few things are borked
[03:26] <blue|palm> mc44, i dont have anything critical on my pc,i just want to avoid having to reformat :P
[03:26] <mc44> blue|palm: don't use on a machine you can't afford not to have break, in other words :)
[03:26] <blue|palm> mc44, hehe ok
[03:26] <blue|palm> mc44, thanks
[03:27] <nIRV_> good evening
[03:27] <ReL1K> how do we update to beta from tribe 5?
[03:27] <ReL1K> nada on dist-upgrade
[03:27] <nIRV_> anyone has a dual monitor setup?
[03:28] <mc44> if you have been updating regually, you already have the beta, ReL1K
[03:28] <corevette> is this the official release: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/beta/
[03:28] <LjL> !beta | ReL1K
[03:28] <ubotu> ReL1K: Gutsy Gibbon (7.10) *BETA* information and release notes can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Beta - If you regularly update, then you're running the latest version - ISOs and Torrents at http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/ - It is development software and as such unstable, support ONLY in #ubuntu+1
[03:28] <ReL1K> thats probably true
[03:28] <ReL1K> update pretty much everyday
[03:28] <nIRV_> I'm facing a weird problem whereas everytime I open total, it screws up my dual monitor resolution
[03:28] <mc44> LjL: ah you added the regular updates bit :)
[03:28] <ReL1K> when did they release beta?
[03:28] <Hobbsee> ReL1K: around 30 mins ago
[03:29] <Hobbsee> LjL: ?
[03:29] <LjL> ahem
[03:29] <mc44> topic clash!
[03:29] <Hobbsee> i'll fix
[03:29] <mc44> needs revision control :)
[03:29] <Hobbsee> hah
[03:29] <ReL1K> then i probably shouldn't be beta if it was released 30 mins ago, i haven't updated since last night :P
[03:29] <Hobbsee> ReL1K: archives (main) have been frozen anyway
[03:29] <LjL> ReL1K: i haven't updated since yesterday, and i have beta.
[03:29] <nb-au> so is the torrent working for anyone? or is it just me?
[03:30] <ReL1K> Gotchya
[03:30] <Hobbsee> nb-au: should be slowly working - they're having trouble with it
[03:30] <LjL> nb-au: don't know, i'll see
[03:30] <LjL> i meant, seed
[03:30] <ReL1K> good job so far guys, finally pushed the switch off of windows nipple and made it my primary os
[03:30] <nIRV_> (or maybe would it be possible for one of you guys to redirect me to the right channel to get help on dual monitors system? thanks)
[03:31] <ReL1K> intel cards still being blacklisted?
[03:31] <LjL> !dualhead
[03:31] <ubotu> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[03:31] <nb-au> Hobbsee: im getting rejected by the tracker :(
[03:31] <Hobbsee> nb-au: it's still all resyncing.
[03:31] <nb-au> fair enough
[03:31] <nIRV_> !Xinerama
[03:31] <ubotu> xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[03:32] <ReL1K> LjL: does that include intel cards for dualhead as well?
[03:32] <LjL> not sure ReL1K
[03:33] <`Matir> ReL1K, for intel, I would look at using xrandr for dual-head
[03:33] <gnomefreak> rom1v: tell him on the bug i cant be your middle man until im better and all my work is caught uphe needs info he will ask for it if you need input reply to bug he will answer most questions.
[03:33] <ReL1K> `Matir: yea, i can get it to span on my actual laptop screen and my monitor without a problem however, i have a docking station, one DVI other VGA, can't get them on both mons
[03:34] <`Matir> ahh... one of them stay blank?
[03:34] <nIRV_> I have a thinkpad r51 -- the display*-gtk shipped with gutsy doesn't allow me to set up a dual monitor in xinerama mode (but can be done by applying some 'vi xorg.conf' magic) -- is xrandx any different?
[03:35] <ReL1K> `Matir: Kinda of yep. Basically, I'll start the boot, it'll show up on my right screen, then when X starts it'll show up on the right
[03:35] <ReL1K> urr left
[03:35] <ReL1K> and the right one stays black
[03:35] <`Matir> odd
[03:35] <ReL1K> yea
[03:35] <`Matir> does xrandr even see both outputs?
[03:35] <ReL1K> and if i try to configure it under screens, it kills X
[03:35] <ReL1K> im not that familar with xrandr, how can i tell?
[03:36] <gleblanc> So, I've got some comments about the Distribution Upgrade window...
[03:36] <ReL1K> when i type xrandr
[03:36] <`Matir> If you run 'xrandr' by itself, it shows all probed outputs
[03:36] <ReL1K> it says "VGA connected (normal left inverted right) LVDS connected 1280 x800+0+0 normal left inverted right 331mm x 207mm and TMDS-1 connected 1280x1024+09+0 normal left inverted right 376mm x 301mm
[03:36] <gleblanc> For starters, it's impossible to see the entire thing when the terminal output is visible
[03:36] <volantares> hi all.. i have a question: will Gusty have support for Geforce 8800 GTS?
[03:37] <gleblanc> because you can't resize the window, and it's taller than my screen
[03:37] <gleblanc> It also got "stalled" on the pam upgrade
[03:37] <`Matir> ReL1K, so it's seeing 3 screens... are you getting output on your DVI or VGA connector?
[03:37] <gleblanc> just sat there for a while, until I finally hit 'enter' and it went on about it's business
[03:38] <gleblanc> But I have no idea what hitting enter did, because I couldn't see the bottom of the terminal window
[03:38] <gleblanc> I also couldn't close the terminal window during that time
[03:38] <nIRV_> matir, when I run xrandr, it only sees one screen (although I'm having two monitors up and running in xinerama mode on an intel (i810) card) and also breaks resolution; is that a problem that sounds familiar to you?
[03:39] <avatar_> nb-au: torrent should be working right now
[03:39] <`Matir> nIRV_, I'm not specifically sure, but I know my laptop did that with the older ati driver that did not have proper randr support, I believe.
[03:39] <`Matir> gleblanc, what resolution do you use?
[03:39] <ReL1K_> `Matir: got discoed rq, did you say something after i showed you the xrandr output?
[03:39] <gleblanc> `Matir: 1280x768
[03:40] <`Matir> ReL1K, I was asking which screen you currently get output on... DVI or VGA
[03:40] <gleblanc> the maximum supported on this laptop
[03:40] <nIRV_> so maybe i810 doesn't support xrandr properly; hrm, which is a shame as I can't seem to make the 'intel' module work with my video card
[03:40] <`Matir> gleblanc, it should be visible there, I would have thought... it works on my ancient 1024x768
[03:40] <ReL1K_> `Matir: dvi
[03:41] <klaxian> has anyone had a problem where mousing over some graphics or scrolling in firefox causes the images to move 1 pixel...it's very annoying
[03:41] <gleblanc> It might be just covered by my panel
[03:41] <`Matir> ReL1K, I would try (just to see if it works) "xrandr --output VGA --same-as TMDS-1" and see if the other screen comes alive
[03:41] <nIRV_> klaxian, firefox version == ?
[03:41] <klaxian> firefox <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:42] <nb-au> avatar_: yep going good now :)
[03:42] <nIRV_> kla, is problem happening on specific sites or in general?
[03:42] <klaxian> nIRV_: in general...it happens on all sites
[03:42] <ReL1K_> `Matir: no go, other screen didnt come on
[03:43] <klaxian> i think it may have started happening when I adjusted my dpi settings in the Gnome Appearance Manager
[03:43] <nIRV_> matir, is totem player calling xrandr when loaded (I dont see any reason why but typing xrandr in terminal results in same monitor breakage as running totem)
[03:43] <klaxian> but changing that setting doesn't seem to fix it
[03:44] <`Matir> nIRV_, just running xrandr without any arguments?
[03:44] <nIRV_> klaxian, yeah it might be a dpi setting problem as firefox 2.x doesn't deal very well with dpi variations
[03:44] <nIRV_> matir, yep
[03:44] <nIRV_> which is weird because I thought that'd only give me a status, not play with screens resolution/setup
[03:44] <klaxian> nIRV_: well i'm trying setting it back to 96 dpi for now to test...
[03:44] <`Matir> nIRV_, I can't think of any reason totem would touch xrandr, but they might both directly interface hardware in a bad way
[03:45] <`Matir> it does only give status... no changes
[03:45] <nIRV_> well it certainly does change things quite a lot here :)
[03:45] <ReL1K_> `Matir: any other ideas? or SOL for now? :)
[03:46] <`Matir> ReL1K, someone who knows more about xrandr might be more helpful, but that's all i can think of... unless it's trying to output at a mode that the monitor doesn't support
[03:46] <klaxian> nIRV_: at 96 dpi, i don't notice the problem...however that's not the correct dpi for my screen
[03:47] <klaxian> nIRV_: it's workable i suppose if that's the only solution
[03:47] <`Matir> Reaby, is the monitor on your VGA fairly new?  CRT or LCD?
[03:47] <`Matir> err, ReL1K ...
[03:47] <Reaby> :)
[03:47] <nIRV_> you can either change screen resolution or download one of the alpha/betaish version of upcoming firefox 3 which fixed many issues regarding dpi to pixel conversions
[03:47] <ReL1K_> `Matir: they are samsung LCD"s
[03:47] <ReL1K_> LCD's
[03:48] <klaxian> nIRV_: i have firefox 3 beta...i'll try that...
[03:48] <nIRV_> matir, in theory, are all video cards supported by i810 driver also supported in the intel driver?
[03:49] <eifzon> hello
[03:49] <gnomefreak> eifzon: it hasnt been released yet
[03:49] <eifzon> I am downloading it
[03:49] <eifzon> hm
[03:50] <gnomefreak> eifzon: from where?
[03:50] <eifzon> ubuntu.com
[03:50] <eifzon> soon done
[03:50] <gnomefreak> gutsy?
[03:50] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: beta 1 is released.
[03:50] <eifzon> kubuntu-7.10-beta-alternate-i386
[03:50] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: they let it go already?
[03:50] <hetauma> hi can u please tell me if gutsy comes with compiz fusion?
[03:50] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: yes
[03:50] <leperkhan1> hetauma: yes.
[03:50] <eifzon> I am exited :)D
[03:50] <Hobbsee> hetauma: it does for clean installs.
[03:50] <gnomefreak> must have been while at drs this morning
[03:50] <`Matir> ReL1K, I would check that the mode being output is applicable to the monitor
[03:50] <gnomefreak> or sleeping
[03:51] <hetauma> Hobbsee, and it works even with ati cards?
[03:51] <gnomefreak> yay that means we thaw soon :)
[03:51] <eifzon> gnomefreak, i just looked at distrowatch P:
[03:51] <`Matir> other than that, running out of ideas :)  X is a bit of a beast, even to me
[03:51] <klaxian> nIRV_: firefox 3 seems to fix the dpi rendering problems (mostly).  the url in the location bar still moves when i hover over it
[03:51] <klaxian> nIRV_: well at least i know it's a firefox issue that they are working on
[03:52] <klaxian> nIRV_: i'll just set the dpi to 96 for now
[03:52] <nIRV_> kla, the url moving in location bar is a different issue that has to do with their font rendering engine. that was fixed +/- a week ago in their daily builds.
[03:53] <Hobbsee> hetauma: may do.  no idea
[03:53] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: was only ~1 hr ago
[03:53] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: unfreeze is tomorrow
[03:53] <nIRV_> firefox 3 on linux will be a gigantic leap, they really are working hard to fix core issues
[03:53] <klaxian> nIRV_: ooh, well then it seems firefox 3 will fix the dpi issue :)
[03:53] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: was atdrs than
[03:53] <gnomefreak> at drs. than
[03:53] <klaxian> nIRV_: yah it seems faster too
[03:53] <hetauma> can I check somewhere the changelog for daily cd's?
[03:53] <gnomefreak> i just got home like 20-30 minutes ago
[03:54] <mikedep333> hey guys, I am attempting to use ndiswrapper with my broadcom 802.11n card. ndiswrapper loads the win32 driver and the ndiswrapper kernel module is loaded, but I don't think eth1 or wlan0 or whatever shows up
[03:54] <nIRV_> yep; plus, they finally managed to use native controls within webpage (i.e. buttons and text forms actually uses your current theme graphics)
[03:54] <klaxian> nIRV_: cool!
[03:57] <nIRV_> matir, when I execute xrandr, it outputs this: "Screen 0: minimum 1024 x 768, current 2304 x 1024, maximum 1024 x 768"
[03:57] <`Matir> is that all you get?
[03:57] <nIRV_> matir, it seems xrandr doesn't recognizes I have 2 monitors and add the two resolution together (hence the impossible current resolution)
[03:58] <`Matir> are you using xinerama?
[03:58] <nIRV_> yep
[03:58] <nIRV_> xrandr 2nd output line: default connected 1024x768+0+0 (normal left inverted right) 0mm x 0mm -- xrandr 3rd output line:    1024x768       75.0*
[03:59] <`Matir> nIRV_, that might be why... I don't know how xrandr and xinerama get along, to be honest... never had xinerama working on here, so hadn't tried
[03:59] <nIRV_> k
[03:59] <rhYaN`> hello all
[03:59] <nIRV_> so xrandr can only deal with cloned dual monitors?
[04:00] <`Matir> no, xrandr can do multi-monitor (non-cloned) as well....
[04:01] <nIRV_> multi monitor (non-cloned) != xinemara ?
[04:01] <`Matir> it does the same thing, but without using xinerama
[04:02] <nIRV_> oh so maybe the solution would be to switch to multi-monitor not using xinerama
[04:02] <rhYaN`> last month, i request a ubuntu 7.04 cd from the ubuntu website, and i paid it 35 pesos. can i request a gutsy cd after the final release with the same price?
[04:02] <nIRV_> which I'm afraid don't really know how to setup :) matir, do you know of any good how to?
[04:05] <`Matir> nIRV_, not in particular, but in most cases, it's as simple as something like xrandr --output CRT-0 --left-of LVDS
[04:07] <nIRV_> matir, your being of great help, thanks. one more question: do I have to setup anything in the xorg.conf to tell X I have 2 monitors? should I just get rid of xorg.conf?
[04:07] <rhYaN`> last month, i request a ubuntu 7.04 cd from the ubuntu website, and i paid it 35 pesos. can i request a gutsy cd after the final release with the same price?
[04:09] <`Matir> nIRV_, in my case, I did it from a very plain xorg.conf with no problems
[04:09] <nIRV_> matir, googling xinemara and xrandr, it's clear both are not meant to be used together. seems you had that right :)
[04:09] <`Matir> yeah, i get the impression that xrandr is supposed to replace xinerama at some point
[04:09] <`Matir> it's nice that it can do it on the fly
[04:10] <nIRV_> okey let me reboot with a plain xorg and see if I can apply same magic as you...
[04:12] <gleblanc> Apparently I need SHMConfig set to true in my xorg.conf
[04:12] <Fracture> !info handbrake
[04:12] <ubotu> Package handbrake does not exist in gutsy
[04:12] <gleblanc> Is there a particular portion of xorg.conf that it needs to exist in?
[04:13] <`Matir> gleblanc, probably the device section for your graphics card
[04:14] <rom1v> hi
[04:14] <gleblanc> oh, sorry, I guess I should have said that I'm trying to configure my synaptics touchpad
[04:14] <rom1v> why all the drivers are in the kernel, but webcams driver have to be installed separately?
[04:16] <nIRV_> matir, working from a fresh xorg.conf
[04:16] <nIRV_> matir, if I type xrandr --output CRT-0 --left-of LVDS , nothing happens
[04:17] <`Matir> nIRV_, what does "xrandr" by itself show?
[04:18] <nIRV_> Screen 0: minimum 640 x 480, current 1024 x 768, maximum 1024 x 768
[04:18] <nIRV_> default connected 1024x768+0+0 (normal left inverted right) 0mm x 0mm
[04:18] <nIRV_>    1024x768       75.0*
[04:18] <nIRV_>    800x600        75.0
[04:18] <nIRV_>    640x480        75.0
[04:18] <nIRV_> which is my laptop LCD
[04:19] <`Matir> odd... it should show the CRT output as well
[04:19] <nIRV_> (I should say I'm running with no xorg.conf atm, which might affect the chance of success :) )
[04:20] <nIRV_> matir, do you know how to reset xorg.conf to default values? I saw the command somewhere but forgot, had to do with dpkg -XvDlkkslaksla xorg-server
[04:20] <`Matir> the current xorg should autodetect everything just fine
[04:20] <`Matir> dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xorg-xserver
[04:23] <nIRV_> hrm, it says not installed
[04:23] <`Matir> sorry, xserver-xorg
[04:23] <`Matir> just not thinking today
[04:23] <nIRV_> but dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver works ok
[04:23] <nIRV_> oh
[04:23] <nIRV_> k
[04:24] <nIRV_> seems to work just fine
[04:24] <nIRV_> k
[04:24] <nIRV_> (one monitor)
[04:25] <nIRV_> but xrandr still shows only one monitor
[04:28] <nIRV_> matir, progress! I know have two monitors with right resolution but 2nd is cloning the first one (and 2nd should really be primary monitor but I can deal with that later)
[04:29] <`Matir> ok, what does xrandr show now?
[04:29] <`Matir> you can switch the primary and secondary
[04:29] <nIRV_> hrm, it outputs quite a lot, can I paste you output in private msg not to flood channel?
[04:29] <`Matir> sure
[04:33] <nIRV_> hrm, I just noticed I have to register to send you prv msg
[04:33] <nIRV_> w8 a minute
[04:42] <GuyFromHell> is it me or does the new flashplugin-nonfree update... not have the plugin at all...
[04:43] <martalli> nIRV_: Why not just message for all of us to see?  The purpose of the channel is for education and help.  Inevitably, someone else will be having the same problem as you are having.
[04:50] <LoRe> hi, how can I start gnome with metacity instead of compiz?
[04:51] <minimec> LoRe: You find this in the Desktop-settings. If not killall compiz ;)
[04:53] <nIRV_> victory
[04:53] <nIRV_> over
[04:53] <nIRV_> the machine
[04:53] <`Matir> lol
[04:54] <nIRV_> it seems swithing to xrandr also fixed my totem issue
[05:03] <ReL1K> anyone got sirius working on gutsy?
[05:04] <joeamined> since i updated to gutsy, the systems sounds of connecting and leaving the session no longer work. How to fix this ?
[05:05] <nIRV_> matir, didn't work
[05:05] <LoRe> i found the key with gconf-editor now
[05:08] <nIRV_> matir, after further testing, if my external monitor is plugging in, xorg considers it screen0
[05:08] <nIRV_> if unplugged, my lcd becomes screen0 (after an xorg restart
[05:08] <nIRV_> )
[05:09] <nIRV_> that's bit irritating as icons on desktop have to be shifted around every time you remove external monitor
[05:10] <`Matir> yeah, i can't find a way to force choice of screen
[05:11] <nIRV_> matir, oh while I think of it, I noticed xrandr configure doesn't get saved on exit, I have to open a terminal window and retype the xrandr --output <...> command every time I open a new xorg session?
[05:14] <nIRV_> answer to screens: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2007-August/027670.html
[05:15] <nIRV_> basically it says I'll have to find a way to leave with fact that screen0 will be external monitor as it's hardware coded (weird) ...
[05:15] <ReL1K> `Matir: still no luck on xrandr :P any ideas :P
[05:15] <nIRV_> matir, I only need to pick up your brain one last time, sorry :) do you know how to apply xrandr settings permanently throughout sessions?
[05:23] <nooseisloose> anyone here have an nvidia quadro nvs140m ?
[05:23] <Vegar> yes
[05:24] <ReL1K> anyone know what a tv connector is
[05:24] <ReL1K> following some steps
[05:24] <ReL1K> on xrandr
[05:24] <Vegar> nooseisloose: I do
[05:25] <nooseisloose> Vegar: mind if I pm?
[05:25] <Vegar> no
[05:27] <Ng> ReL1K: presumably a TV output from your graphics card?
[05:27] <Ng> ReL1K: (which you may or may not have, depending on the hardware)
[05:29] <rom> Hi
[05:29] <rom> I am trying to install gutsy beta
[05:29] <rom> but it blocks at 87%
[05:29] <rom> :(
[05:30] <rom> Installing "paquets linguistiques"
[05:30] <rom> 87%
[05:30] <rom> ...
[05:30] <rom> but cd player has stopped
[05:30] <rom> and ... nothing
[05:31] <Ng> rom: it might be the first Caveat listed at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/gutsybeta#head-71c953634fbf2cf5b38e4f469641d08bdb69e9d8
[05:32] <rom> http://fr.releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/7.10/
[05:32] <rom> I took the french kubuntu version
[05:32] <rom> (or english kubuntu version, but from french servers)
[05:33] <nIRV_> defeat
[05:33] <nIRV_> against
[05:33] <nIRV_> the machine
[05:34] <nIRV_> reverted back to xinerama as xrandr simply doesn't deal with screen0/1 the way I need my laptop to deal with ... downside is the strange bug with totem (also affecting skype)
[05:35] <tinin> Hi, will I  have problems upgrading if I did install my graphics with Alberto Milone's "envy" script?
[05:36] <soothsayer> How can I find recursive symlinks?
[05:38] <slackern> soothsayer: how do you mean, you want to see where a symlink points? 'ls -l symlink' will show where it goes
[05:39] <ReL1K> guys quick question
[05:39] <soothsayer> slackern: I mean a series of symlinks that form a cycle.
[05:39] <ReL1K> if i use the screen configuration for my two lcd monitors
[05:39] <ReL1K> i can get them to both display fine under "test"
[05:39] <ReL1K> when i go to click keep configuration, it flashes and then comes up on only one screen
[05:39] <ReL1K> so its *kinda* working, just not when i click on the keep configuration
[05:40] <`Matir> yeah, displayconfig-gtk is buggy, IMO
[05:41] <nIRV_> not only in your opinion :)
[05:41] <ReL1K> `Matir, any idea how i could get it to work with xrandr? :p
[05:41] <nIRV_> but I remember on planet.ubuntu.com seeing someone developing alternative xrandr UI (from same guy behind envy)
[05:42] <`Matir> ReL1K, what exactly are you trying to do?
[05:42] <slackern> soothsayer: ahh hmm, not sure,i only changed dir last time to where the symlink pointed and the did another ls -l on the new symlink
[05:43] <ReL1K> `Matir: same thing we were doing yesterday, i want to have dual monitors working on the intel card. If i use the screens section, select my actual monitor, then hit extend and clone, works fine on both monitors, except for when i hit keep configuration
[05:43] <soothsayer> slackern: What?
[05:43] <soothsayer> slackern: How did you find the symlinks in the first place?
[05:43] <ReL1K> one is hooked up via DVI, other hooked up via VGA, the DVI one shows up as my main one when X has started but when booting it shows up on the VGA one
[05:43] <`Matir> what's your xrandr output again?
[05:44] <ReL1K> vga connected, lvds connected tmds-1 connected
[05:44] <`Matir> so you want dual monitors on the vga and tmds (DVI/HDMI) outputs?
[05:44] <ReL1K> right
[05:44] <slackern> soothsayer: i usually spot them by colour, or they will have a @ symbol infront of the filename but maybe you want to find all symlinks on your system?
[05:45] <soothsayer> slackern: I want to find symlinks cycles (if such a thing is possible). Symlink1 -> Symlink2, Symlink2 -> Symlink1
[05:46] <slackern> soothsayer: this page show different solutions for doing what you want i belive http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=565475
[05:46] <soothsayer> slackern: Thanks but you clearly don't understand my question.
[05:46] <`Matir> ReL1K, try "xrandr --output TMDS-1 --auto --output VGA --auto"
[05:47] <`Matir> soothsayer, do you want infinite depth?
[05:47] <soothsayer> `Matir: Yes, (or depth greater than whatever Ubuntu can handle)
[05:48] <slackern> soothsayer: You are right, i missunderstood you, you wanted to find symlinks that go back to eachself all the time?
[05:48] <ReL1K> it says
[05:48] <ReL1K> cannot find crtc for output VGA
[05:48] <soothsayer> `Matir: Does -depth in 'find' do this?
[05:48] <kozo> hi i have some problem, right now i have ubuntu and grub installed but i want to install xp or vista now too for dualboot wil it be recognise be the vista bootloader?
[05:48] <soothsayer> slackern: Yes.
[05:48] <`Matir> soothsayer, -depth just limits how far in the directory tree it goes
[05:48] <`Matir> ReL1K, ah, you'd need to turn off the built-in monitor with xrandr --output LVDS --off
[05:49] <ReL1K> dude you flippin rule
[05:49] <ReL1K> any way to extend to right
[05:49] <ReL1K> the VGA?
[05:49] <ReL1K> its working omg
[05:49] <`Matir> xrandr --output VGA --right-of TMDS-1
[05:51] <ReL1K> xrandr, close it says screen cannot be larger than 2040x2040 desired size 2560x1024
[05:51] <ReL1K> erm `Matir
[05:51] <ReL1K> owe you a beer btw, you near ohio? ;P
[05:51] <`Matir> atlanta, unfortunately :)
[05:51] <ReL1K> hehe
[05:52] <ReL1K> any clues how to fix the cannot be larger then 2040x2040?
[05:52] <`Matir> as I told nirv_ earlier: <`Matir> and what's happening is that the maximum virtual desktop for your card (by default) is 1280x1280.  If you add a line to your xorg.conf with "Virtual 2304 1024" it'll let you go up to that size.  That line would go in the display subsection of the screen section of xorg.conf.
 ok
[05:52] <`Matir> though in your case, you need "Virtual 2560 1024"
[05:53] <slackern> soothsayer: found 2 scripts to do it, it will show some rubbish also but it will find those symlinks that are 1->2->1 http://wellington.pm.org/archive/200507/one-liners/slide08.html
[05:53] <ReL1K> brb restarting X
[05:53] <nIRV_> matir, last one I promise: is there a way to make current xrandr settings permanent?
[05:54] <soothsayer> slackern: That says broken symlinks
[05:54] <nIRV_> or do we have to run a shell script during session opening?
[05:54] <`Matir> nIRV_, the only way I'm aware of is to add them to your xsession, unfortunately
[05:54] <`Matir> I've been looking for that myself as I need xrandr to get my X to display anything at all
[05:54] <ReL1K> `Matir: worked like a champ man, thank you so much
[05:54] <soothsayer> slackern: Meaning symlinks with an absent destination file
[05:54] <nIRV_> so basically, xrandr is far away from being perfect plug and play solution? :)
[05:55] <ReL1K> slight quirk, my start menu is only on the right side, and not the left hehe
[05:55] <ReL1K> moved it over
[05:55] <`Matir> same issue nIRV_ had... seems to be based on which CRTC is mapped to which output in your card
[05:56] <`Matir> nIRV_, it's not perfect, but it seems pretty powerful... I'm hoping for a way to specify xrandr options in xorg.conf at some point
[05:56] <slackern> soothsayer: aye i made a ln -s doh doh1 and a ln -s doh1 doh and then ran the script and it found it
[05:57] <nIRV_> relik, but every time you will reboot the computer, you'll have to move your bar again
[05:57] <ReL1K> nIRV_: gotchya
[05:57] <soothsayer> slackern: Really? Okay thanks that's great!
[05:57] <ReL1K> when i use compiz, it makes my entire desktop white
[05:57] <ReL1K> any idea how to fix?
[05:57] <ReL1K> guess i cant have both right now :)
[05:59] <`Matir> compiz requires DRI, right?
[05:59] <`Matir> a stupid question... either DRI or crappy speed :)
[05:59] <nIRV_> the xrandr team should really do something about the screen0/1 issue; it doesn't make sense that screen0 switched depending on whether you have external monitor plugged in or not... oh well
[06:00] <`Matir> the issue is that intel graphics cards cannot support DRI on a virtual desktop greater than 2048*2048
[06:00] <slackern> soothsayer: you will get a ton of broken links and stuff in /dev and those places but i guess you know what you are looking for and where so to say
[06:00] <Eq|work> nIRV_ : this on laptops?
[06:00] <`Matir> nIRV_, I agree... haven't had the issue myself (not having a 2nd monitor) but it would be annoying
[06:00] <soothsayer> slackern: Yeah, thanks again
[06:00] <nIRV_> eq, yep
[06:00] <slackern> soothsayer: glad to help, never looked for it myself either before :)
[06:01] <Eq|work> nIRV_ : and they change screen 0 if an external monitor is plugged in? ewww
[06:01] <nIRV_> matir, on a fixed station it doesn't matter so much, but on a laptop, it affects you everyday as soon as you unplug and take it away
[06:01] <Eq|work> screen 0 should, imo, always be the lcd..
[06:01] <ReL1K> `Matir: can i put it at a lower virtual desktop?
[06:01] <ReL1K> to get it to work?
[06:01] <nIRV_> bis
[06:01] <nIRV_> yep
[06:01] <ReL1K> what should i set it at?
[06:02] <nIRV_> eq, one would think so yeah
[06:02] <nIRV_> relik, you should have your virtual desktop width and height no higher than needed (i.e. screen0 width + screen1 width, same for height)
[06:03] <ReL1K> nIRV_ its set to 2560 1024 right now
[06:04] <nIRV_> relik, what are the width x height of your 2 screens?
[06:04] <ReL1K> they are standard 19' lcd's
[06:05] <`Matir> i think he meant in pixels
[06:05] <nIRV_> k but do you have them set to 1028x768 or 1280x1024 ?
[06:06] <ReL1K> 1280x1024
[06:07] <nIRV_> k well then your virtual desktop size's okey (1280+1280 x 1024)
[06:08] <TiaGo|SouZa> beta 1 is ouy?!?!
[06:08] <TiaGo|SouZa> yupie!!!
[06:09] <TiaGo|SouZa> where can I download it?!
[06:09] <ReL1K> so i put in virtual 1280+1280 1024?
[06:09] <nooseisloose> Vegar: That fixed my problem, tyvm
[06:10] <Vegar> nooseisloose: can you file a bug report on the restricted-drivers with your solution?
[06:10] <nIRV_> no no I meant your virtual desktop value is okey at Virtual 2560 1024
[06:10] <nooseisloose> yes, will do
[06:11] <ReL1K> ahh
[06:11] <ReL1K> just trying to figure out how to get compiz to work
[06:11] <_dan_> anyone got any idea why brightness settings work in 386 kernel but not in -generic?
[06:11] <ReL1K> it works fine, looks fine, just desktop goes white
[06:11] <_dan_> Reaby nvidia?
[06:12] <Reaby> ?
[06:12] <nIRV_> cool, this xrandr thing fixes a lot of small annoying bugs that xinerama had (totem screwing up res, print screen not working properly, etc.).
[06:12] <`Matir> ReL1K, do compiz effects work?
[06:12] <ReL1K> yep
[06:12] <ReL1K> sure do
[06:12] <minimec> ReL1K:  you have no wallpaper or you don't see any window at all?
[06:12] <_dan_> Reaby misstell sry
[06:12] <`Matir> nIRV_, yeah, it works nicely, except the screen 0/1 issue
[06:12] <ReL1K> it doesn't show anything on the desktop at all
[06:12] <ReL1K> just white
[06:12] <`Matir> I wonder if you could remap the CRTCs
[06:12] <Reaby> _dan_: np
[06:12] <nIRV_> matir, I wish
[06:13] <nIRV_> matir, do you know where we could get in touch with the xrandr devs on irc>
[06:13] <nIRV_> ?
[06:13] <ReL1K> and if i click on an icon, that i can't see you can click and open it
[06:13] <ReL1K> just cant see shit ont he desktop
[06:13] <ReL1K> cube works and everything
[06:13] <TiaGo|SouZa> where can I download the beta?
[06:13] <minimec> ReL1K: That's not good...
[06:14] <`Matir> nIRV_, not sure to be honest... the ubuntu devs would be in #ubuntu-x, but not sure about upstream
[06:14] <ReL1K> yea i know its not good :P any idea how to fix