[00:00] <LetsGo67> How can I change the amount of workspaces?
[00:01] <steven_> lol
[00:01] <steven_> applications>settings>settings manager>workspaces
[00:02] <steven_> i just asked that
[00:02] <steven_> lol
[00:08] <LetsGo67> Gracias steven_
[00:08] <steven_> no probn
[00:11] <LetsGo67> ubotu
[00:33] <supertanker> Besides the desktop environment, is there much difference between Ubuntu and Xubuntu?
[00:41] <TheSheep> supertanker: no, only DE and choice of default apps
[00:41] <supertanker> Ah, thanks
[02:49] <natj1> does anyone know how to get a wireless router working right in xubuntu or know of a helpful site?
[02:58] <StevenWilliamsen> hey
[02:59] <StevenWilliamsen> what's a good dark theme for xubuntu?
[03:07] <StevenWilliamsen> hey!
[03:12] <natj1> how do i check my ip address and gateway?
[03:15] <StevenWilliamsen> ifconfig
[03:15] <StevenWilliamsen> open terminal
[03:15] <StevenWilliamsen> type ifconfig
[03:15] <StevenWilliamsen> maybe iwcongif
[03:16] <StevenWilliamsen> switch that
[03:16] <StevenWilliamsen> iqconfig
[03:16] <StevenWilliamsen> damn!
[03:16] <StevenWilliamsen> ifconfig and iwconfig
[03:16] <StevenWilliamsen> iw is for wireless i believe
[03:27] <StevenWilliamsen> got it?
[03:30] <natj1> yeah i got it thanks
[03:46] <StevenWilliamsen> anyone know a good dark theme?
[03:55] <StevenWilliamsen> hey guys
[04:51] <nvc> greets
[04:52] <nvc> anyone about?
[05:08] <anom01y> omg
[05:08] <anom01y> the installer cd's for xubuntu and kubuntu suck
[05:08] <anom01y> neither of them work
[05:08] <anom01y> I've tried 3 different versions
[05:09] <anom01y> ubuntu 7.04
[05:09] <anom01y> xubuntu 8.04
[05:09] <anom01y> kubuntu 8.04
[05:09] <anom01y> all of them fail me when I try to install
[05:09] <anom01y> ubuntu fails on kernal installation
[05:09] <anom01y> xubuntu fails me because the laptop its going on only has 64mb ram
[05:10] <anom01y> kubuntu (going on a more powerful computer) fails as when I reboot after installation the computer sits there with a message "mbr fa:"
[05:10] <anom01y> whatever the heck that is
[05:12] <nvc> set the scene here, what're the specs of the machines you're installing to?
[05:12] <nvc> i.e. what RAM & CPU's are in them
[05:12] <anom01y> well the laptop is an old p2 with 64mb ram
[05:12] <anom01y> had win98 on it
[05:12] <anom01y> and the new computer is a core 2 duo 2gb ram
[05:13] <anom01y> Im truing to install kubuntu on the new computer and xubuntu on the slower computer
[05:13] <anom01y> someone told me to get old ubuntu 7.04 and then upgrade to the hardy heron after
[06:04] <burner_> yo yo yo.. people see this?  http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=2307#0.13
[06:22] <StevenWilliamsen> hey guys
[06:22] <StevenWilliamsen> anyone know of a good theme for xfce?
[09:31] <u007> hi, i forgotten what i did with the panel configuration, my panel is all gone.. :(
[09:32] <u007> even restart doesn't work :(
[09:38] <xbj9000> hi
[09:39] <MementoMori> hi
[09:39] <xbj9000> anyone know why totem /tmp/Flash* works from terminal, but not from a taskbar shortcut? (says no such file)
[09:40] <MementoMori> is there any applet to connect/disconnect pppoe link?
[09:40] <xbj9000> sorry I don't know
[09:41] <MementoMori> xbj9000: maybe the * isnt correctly expanded by the taskbar
[09:41] <MementoMori> xbj9000: I dont have xubuntu right now so I cant test
[09:44] <xbj9000> expanded?
[09:46] <u007> hi, may i know what is the command for running the panel in xfce?
[09:47] <xbj9000> I think it's xfce4-panel
[09:48] <u007> hi xbj9000 thank you :)
[09:48] <u007> it works :)
[09:55] <MementoMori> xbj9000: when you run totem /tmp/Flash* in a shell the shell will expand the Flash* in order to get all the files you want
[09:56] <xbj9000> well I also tried the 'run in terminal' option on the shortcut
[09:57] <MementoMori> so if you have /tmp/Flash01 /tmp/Flash02 the command totem /tmp/Flash* will be "converted" in "totem /tmp/Flash01 /tmp/Flash02"
[09:57] <xbj9000> right
[09:58] <MementoMori> xbj9000: man glob if you want to learn more
[10:02] <jarnos> I can not quit firefox 3 after update even if I am asked to.
[10:03] <xbj9000> MementoMori, could xfce panel be converting the * into something like a %20 ?
[10:04] <jarnos> I tried File > Quit and it disappeared from task list after about a minute. System monitor tells it is sleeping.
[10:05] <xbj9000> nevermind I guess not, with vlc it actually gives a message "Unable to open '/tmp/Flash*'"
[10:05] <jarnos> I guess I'll have to end the process.
[10:05] <xbj9000> not sure jarnos
[10:06] <jarnos> Well, I already did.
[10:06] <jarnos> xbj9000
[10:10] <ath_gr> hi all. i have already installed xubuntu 6.06 in an older celeron@600 with 64 mb ram. the system is running pretty good. now i want to install some games. which is the procedure i have to do? i know links like http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/games/ or http://www.getdeb.net/. what do i have to do to install these games on my system?
[10:10] <AlexCONRAD> Hi, during a unattended install (pressed) is it a bad idea to chroot /taget/, patch, make, make modules, make install, mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd... ? I have compiled a network driver during auto-install process, and it crashes on reboot. I have made the same manipultations *after* an installation and the driver works fine. Any pointers ?
[10:38] <homebrewcider> aanybody else have problems printing in Xubuntu? I have a canon mp510 that prints all wrong. The stuff on the page is spread out left to right, and goes off te page, and the colours don't line up
[10:39] <ath_gr> any help plz?
[10:40] <Myrtti> homebrewcider: have you asked in #ubuntu?
[10:40] <homebrewcider> no
[10:40] <Myrtti> homebrewcider: printing system in xubuntu and ubuntu are common, so that problem would be the same even in ubuntu
[10:41] <homebrewcider> asking there too
[10:41] <Myrtti> ath_gr: there's lots of games available in add/remove...
[10:41] <Myrtti> add/remove == packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/games
[10:54] <MementoMori> is it possible to install xubuntu on a old pentium3 with 64MB of RAM?
[10:55] <ablomen> MementoMori, yep its possible
[10:55] <ablomen> you might wanna add some ram though
[10:55] <ablomen> but anywho, if you use the alternate installation cd it should be no problem
[10:55] <MementoMori> ablomen: can I use the graphical installation cd?
[10:55] <ablomen> no that needs at leas 196mb of ram (or something like that)
[10:56] <ablomen> but the alternate install cd is just as easy, and faster
[10:57] <MementoMori> I need the graphical one because I have to know first if my friend like it
[10:57] <ablomen> then you need to add at least 128mb of ram extra
[10:57] <ablomen> or go for something like puppy linux
[10:58] <MementoMori> does puppy use deb?
[10:58] <ablomen> nope
[10:59] <MementoMori> what does it use?
[10:59] <ablomen> they have theyr own package manager
[11:01] <MementoMori> so another different from deb and rpm.... wow :(
[11:01] <u007> hi, is it possible to set keyboard shortcut command in xfce?
[11:01] <MementoMori> anyway i'm reading it's faq. I think it's ot puppy here ;)
[11:01] <ablomen> u007, settings->settings manager->keyboard->shortcuts
[11:02] <u007> ablomen, thank you :D
[11:02] <ablomen> it is a pretty good system.. for old computers and basic computing
[11:02] <ablomen> u007, np :)
[11:03] <u007> ablomen, yeah, i just switched from the fancy ubuntu
[11:03] <ablomen> *second to last line was about puppy btw, just to be clear ;)
[11:04] <ablomen> u007, how your liking it?
[11:04] <u007> its great! :D so much faster
[11:04] <u007> although no more fancy compiz cube :)
[11:05] <u007> everything just fast :)
[11:05] <ablomen> you can use compiz with xfce :)
[11:05] <u007> really?
[11:05] <ablomen> yep no problem
[11:05] <u007> okay.. so far, i wasn't able to do so..
[11:06] <ablomen> though xfce has real transparancy build in already, at least for me thats enough eyecandy :)
[11:06] <u007> aa.. okay :D
[11:06] <ablomen> (in settings manager, look for window manager tweaks -> compositor)
[11:07] <u007> okay :D thank you :)
[11:07] <ablomen> :)
[11:09] <u007> ablomen: i can't find the tweak :)
[11:10] <ablomen> no? its the second to last icon in the xfce settings manager
[11:10] <ablomen> and then the last tab
[11:10] <u007> okay :D
[11:10] <u007> ohhh. i saw it
[11:10] <u007> thanks :)
[11:11] <ablomen> hehe np :)
[11:13] <u007> ablomen, do you know how to get ride of orage and use evolution calendar instead?
[11:13] <u007> rid i meant
[11:14] <ablomen> ehm you can stop orange from autostarting in the autostarted applications window (also in xfce settings manager)
[11:14] <ablomen> oh wait no you cant
[11:15] <ablomen> in the orange preferences (in settings manager) in the second tab you can let it start hidden
[11:15] <u007> okay
[11:15] <u007> thank you :)
[11:15] <ablomen> how to use the evolution calender i dunno
[11:15] <u007> its okay, i will try :)
[11:16] <u007> i changed my session from ubuntu, and installed xubuntu-desktop :)
[11:18] <Myrtti> install the xfce4-xfapplet-plugin
[11:18] <Myrtti> then you can use gnome applets, like the gnome clock applet with the calendar
[11:19] <u007> ohh.. cool :)
[11:19] <u007> Myrtti, thanks :)
[11:21] <u007> haha.. i got my Wanda back :D
[11:22] <AlexCONRAD> Hi, during a unattended install (pressed auto-install) I have compiled a network driver. Is it a bad idea to chroot /taget/, patch, make, make modules, make install, mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd... ? The driver crashes on reboot. I have made the same manipultations *after* an installation and the driver works fine. Any pointers ?
[11:24] <u007> and Eyes :d
[11:24] <ablomen> AlexCONRAD, heh it doesnt get any easyer for ya huh
[11:25] <AlexCONRAD> ablomen: nop ...
[11:25] <AlexCONRAD> I'm stuck with that driver I compiled
[11:26] <ablomen> im sertainly no expert, but cant you compile it as a module so you can just create a deb package? (like the nvidia driver for example)
[11:26] <AlexCONRAD> I'd like to know if it makes any difference of compiling a driver during the intall process or after the install is done and the installed system is booted
[11:39] <u007> xfce seems to remember well the window sizes and position :D its better than the ubuntu version...
[12:06] <MrNaz> is there any reason not to use xubuntu as a server OS ?
[12:25] <ablomen> MrNaz, yes, a server doesnt need a gui :)
[12:34] <MrNaz> ablomen aside from that heh
[12:34] <ablomen> ubuntu server has a specialised kernel
[12:34] <MrNaz> but yea you're right... i should be using debian for servers
[12:34] <MrNaz> ablomen it does?
[12:34] <ablomen> yeah
[12:34] <MrNaz> what's so special about it?
[12:34] <ablomen> dunno what the big difference is
[12:34] <ablomen> but it does have one :P
[12:34] <MrNaz> haha
[12:34] <ablomen> http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition :)
[12:35] <ablomen> oh and http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/features/kernel << the diferences between desktop kernel and server kernel
[12:37] <ablomen> anyway, the server edition always was stable for me, no real difference from using debian (i use both)
[12:37] <ablomen> the software is just a bit more updated
[12:38] <ablomen> oh and the server editions are released once every 1,5 years if im correct, and the debian editions are released once every... century?
[12:40] <ablomen> *debian releases
[13:22] <kripz> is there a lamp package that requires no installation and can runs off usb?
[13:31] <ablomen> kripz, for xubuntu? not readely available
[13:32] <kripz> ablomen, what do you mean readily available
[13:32] <ablomen> well you can compile webservers etc to have all files in a directory that you could put on a usb stick
[13:33] <ablomen> but for example portableapps is just windows atm
[13:38] <persi> hi can I talk with unregistered nickname?
[13:38] <Myrtti> #freenode
[13:39] <Myrtti> ummm
[13:39] <Myrtti> yes
[13:39] <Myrtti> sorry
[13:39] <Myrtti> got distracted
[13:40] <persi> can anyone recommend me a music player for xubuntu or is it offtopic here?
[13:40] <ablomen> rhythmbox is good
[13:41] <Myrtti> exaile, audacious, mpd
[13:41] <ablomen> and the 1200 others that are good too
[13:41] <ablomen> it depends on your system and what kind of music player you want
[13:42] <Myrtti> yup
[13:42] <ablomen> winamp like, itunes like, just enough features, more features youll ever need
[13:42] <persi> =) yeah seems so, just want somewhere to start, I`m on pentIII 1ghz laptop with I think  256mb of ram
[13:42] <persi> winamp like would be fine
[13:42] <persi> with just enough features
[13:42] <persi> not even library
[13:43] <Myrtti> audacious then
[13:43] <ablomen> well xmms is old but a lot of people use it, i think audacious is the predecesor of that
[13:43] <ablomen> *sucsessor
[13:43] <persi> xmms isnt available to me for some reason, so i installed xmms2 and tried  some clients for it, but they wouldnt work fine
[13:44] <Myrtti> audacious is cool
[13:44] <persi> thank you for your advice, since your so patient, how about terminal replacement with minimum features? anything cooler than mrxvt?
[13:45] <persi> I`m currently being converted from winXP so I`m kind of newbie here
[13:46] <ablomen> terminator is quite nice (you can have multiple terminals in one screen with that)
[13:46] <Myrtti> xubuntu comes with xfce4-terminal by default
[13:46] <Myrtti> it's ok and has the basic features
[13:46] <Myrtti> I use the bleeding-edge version of terminator, though.
[13:48] <persi> I have a problem with the default one, its symbols are distorted, it started when I fixed the usual resolution problem
[13:49] <persi> so we come to the next question, fonts look blurry to me, is it usual for xubuntu? because they look sharp on login screen
[13:50] <persi> I have a dell c600 laptop with 1400x1050, might there be a problem with that?
[13:50] <ablomen> persi, settings manager -> userinterface
[13:50] <ablomen> and then look at font-rendereing
[13:52] <persi> wow subpixel rendering looks very neat! thanks a lot!
[13:53] <ablomen> np :)
[13:53] <persi> jeez spent two days trying to beat advice of some local linuxoid friend and you are so helpful, how great it is
[13:54] <ablomen> Myrtti, has the current version a lot more functionallity then the one in the repo's?
[13:54] <ablomen> persi, yeah we people rock :P (j/k)
[13:55] <Myrtti> I don't even remember using the one in the repos :-P
[13:55] <ablomen> lol ok :P
[13:55] <ablomen> hmm might try it then
[14:20] <AlexCONRAD> after an automatic (preseed) install, going in Applications > System > Network shows that my eth0 is not enabled by default. How can I change this? Really my question is: when i'll check the "enable this conection" checkbox, which setting/config file is it modifing on disk so I can reproduce this setup on my automated installation disk (customized alternate CD)
[14:22] <johanjof> hello
[14:22] <johanjof> I just wondered how do you guys search into a ps file because gv doesnt do that
[14:22] <johanjof> any idea please ?
[14:24] <johanjof> note that you can say yes or no :)
[14:24] <AlexCONRAD> no
[14:24] <AlexCONRAD> :)
[14:24] <johanjof> you use gv then ?
[14:24] <AlexCONRAD> no :)
[14:24] <johanjof> evince ??!!
[14:24] <AlexCONRAD> no
[14:25] <AlexCONRAD> Until now, I didn't have to search in a ps file. :)
[14:25] <AlexCONRAD> and what's a ps file ?
[14:25] <AlexCONRAD> postscript?
[14:25] <johanjof> lol
[14:25] <johanjof> yes
[14:25] <AlexCONRAD> printing related ?
[14:25] <johanjof> no
[14:26] <johanjof> you know the world is not all about pdf
[14:27] <AlexCONRAD> i don't know ps, so im' innocent
[14:27] <AlexCONRAD> heh
[14:27] <johanjof> yes its you we saw you ! :D
[14:28]  * AlexCONRAD hides
[14:32] <ablomen> AlexCONRAD, /etc/network/interfaces?
[14:32] <AlexCONRAD> ablomen: aaah, a hint!
[14:33] <AlexCONRAD> ablomen: i'm asking the same questions on #ubuntu, but there are so many conversations going on, your question just get's flooded
[14:33] <ablomen> hehe yeah #ubuntu is impossible
[14:33] <ablomen> auto eth0 <enter> iface eth0 inet dhcp << is what i have
[14:33] <AlexCONRAD> your my saver, there a man page man 5 interfaces
[14:34] <AlexCONRAD> thanks ablomen, it pretty different from redhat's mechanisms
[14:34] <AlexCONRAD> which i'm used to
[14:35] <ablomen> AlexCONRAD, get LPI in a nutshell from oreilly, they have all that stuff in there for both redhat and debian :)
[14:35] <ablomen> really great book
[14:35] <ablomen> not that i mind you asking btw :P
[14:42] <AlexCONRAD> i'll buy the book ablomen
[14:42] <AlexCONRAD> thanks for the recommandation
[14:42] <ablomen> np :)
[14:58] <persi> ok people, rock on, here are another 2: how to see the list of (recently) installed programs that didnt appear in Applications menu
[14:59] <ablomen> persi, aptitude gives you a full list
[14:59] <persi> and how to type in alternative languages
[15:00] <ablomen> second one im not sure, i know there is a keyboard layout switcher applet (right click on panel -> add new item ->keyboard layout switcher)
[15:01] <ablomen> dunno if thats all you have to do
[15:04] <persi> круто
[15:04] <persi> ЖВ
[15:04] <persi> :D
[15:04] <persi> well that was the proof, thank you :)
[15:05] <persi> actually had to play with keyboard properties, where to set up hotkeys for layout switcher btw? is it themes in keyboard properties?
[15:06] <persi> and how to get WIN buttun to function?
[15:08] <persi> and is there a way to remove redundant dependencies along with package?
[15:11] <persi> and how to get mouse wheel to scroll faster? as a side note, where to get drivers, for example, for my microsoft (sorry) intellipoint?
[15:13] <testride> hi there
[15:14] <testride> can i run xubuntu with copy to ram ? and how much ramwould i need ( if its possible )
[15:14] <testride> !copy to ram
[15:15] <testride> hmm
[15:22] <testride> i guess not\
[15:23] <xTOGx> anybody home?
 and is there a way to remove redundant dependencies along with package? << sudo apt-get auto-remove
[15:35] <persi> what`s the difference between apt-get and aptitude?
[15:35] <ablomen> well people say aptitude is more reliable, dunno if thats true, i always use apt-get out of habbit
[15:36] <persi> E: Invalid operation auto-remove
[15:36] <ablomen> oh and aptitude has a srry without the dash
[15:36] <ablomen> ok again
[15:36] <ablomen> *sorry without the dash
[15:36] <ablomen> *aptitude also has a ncurses front-end
[15:37] <ablomen> which apt doesnt have
[15:37] <persi> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
[15:37] <persi> so what it does?
[15:38] <ablomen> ok then there are no dependancies that arnt used
[15:38] <persi> I had in mind to remove konsole with all the garbage it brought with itself
[15:38] <persi> so I should 1st remove konsole itself
[15:38] <persi> then run it again?
[15:38] <ablomen> yeah you can try that
[15:38] <ablomen> dunno what the (reverse) dependencies of the kde-libs are
[15:39] <persi> hope Kopete doesnt use them
[15:39] <ablomen> yeah it does use kde libs
[15:39] <ablomen> kde apps == kde libs
[15:41] <persi> -_-
[15:41] <ablomen> thats one more reason why i avoid everything with a K at the beginning
[15:41] <persi> well autoremove doesnt smell em
[15:41] <persi> so there are no exceptions regarding k?
[15:42] <persi> im fine with pidgin but it doesnt hold the connection for some reason, and kopete does
[15:42] <ablomen> lol yeah there are some apps starting with K that arnt kde/qt apps ;)
[15:42] <Riotta> sudo apt-get autoremove
[15:43] <Riotta> not auo-remove
 *sorry without the dash << :)
[15:43] <persi> thx Riotta, weve already figured that
[15:43] <Riotta> kk :)
[15:44] <Riotta> so what you want to do ?
[15:44] <Riotta> :P
[15:44] <persi> weee diediedie kopete
[15:44] <Riotta> apt-get remove kde*
[15:44] <persi> 83mb freed without it
[15:44] <Riotta> you can use purge function also
[15:44] <persi> thanks, useful command
[15:46] <Riotta> tbh
[15:46] <Riotta> sudo apt-get remove adept adept-batch adept-common adept-installer adept-manager adept-notifier adept-updater akregator amarok amarok-xine apport-qt ark arts brltty cdrdao cryptsetup debtags desktop-effects-kde digikam dolphin enscript foomatic-db-gutenprint gdebi-kde gnupg-agent gpgsm gtk-qt-engine gwenview hpijs-ppds hplip-gui ijsgutenprint jockey-kde k3b kaddressbook kaffeine kamera karm katapult kate kbstate kcontrol kcron kde-guidance kde-gui
[15:46] <Riotta> dance-powermanager kde-icons-mono kde-style-qtcurve kde-systemsettings kdeadmin-kfile-plugins kdebase-bin kdebase-bin-kde3 kdebase-data kdebase-kio-plugins kdebluetooth kdegraphics-kfile-plugins kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins kdemultimedia-kio-plugins kdenetwork-filesharing kdenetwork-kfile-plugins kdepasswd kdepim-kio-plugins kdepim-kresources kdepim-wizards kdeprint kdesktop kdesudo kdm kdnssd keep kfind kghostview khelpcen
[15:46] <Riotta> ter kicker kio-apt kio-locate kio-umountwrapper kipi-plugins klipper kmag kmail kmailcvt kmenuedit kmilo kmix kmousetool kmplayer-base kmplayer-konq-plugins knetworkconf knotes konq-plugins konqueror konqueror-nsplugins konsole kontact konversation kooka kopete korganizer kpdf kpf kppp krdc krfb kscreensaver ksmserver ksnapshot ksvg ksysguard ksysguardd ksystemlog ktorrent kubuntu-artwork-usplash kubuntu-default-settings kubuntu-desktop kubuntu-do
[15:46] <Riotta> cs kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts kvkbd kwalletmanager kwin kwin-style-crystal language-selector-qt launchpad-integration libakode2 libao2 libarts1-akode libarts1c2a libartsc0 libaudio2 libavahi-qt3-1 libclucene0ldbl libcurl3 libdbus-qt-1-1c2 libdirectfb-1.0-0 libept0 libexiv2-2 libfftw3-3 libflac++6 libgmp3c2 libgpgme11 libgpod-common libgpod3-nogtk libicu38 libifp4 libijs-0.35 libjpeg-progs libk3b2 libkbluetooth0 libkcal2b libkcddb1 libkdcraw3 libk
[15:47] <Riotta> depim1a libkexiv2-3 libkipi0 libkleopatra1 libkmime2 libkonq4 libkpimexchange1 libkpimidentities1 libksba8 libkscan1 libksieve0 libktnef1 liblua50 liblualib50 libmimelib1c2a libmodplug0c2 libmpcdec3 libmtp7 libmusicbrainz4c2a libmysqlclient15of
[15:47] <Riotta> :P sorry
[15:47] <Myrtti> you were just about to get muted
[15:47] <Myrtti> :-/
[15:48] <Riotta> I should pastebin it :<
[15:48] <Riotta> http://pastebin.ca/1043893
[16:04] <persi> hmm some guy writes that xfce is slow, what do you think is a spec past which it is better to use gnome/KDE?
[16:04] <persi> I`m on 1ghz, 256mb RAM btw
[16:10] <Riotta> xfce will be way faster than gnome or kde
[16:10] <Riotta> if you want something more faster and less usable you should concern Fluxbox, blackbox, openbox
[16:11] <Riotta> persi: xfce has really small memory footprint and cpu usage even has apps like music player which is designed to be low profile
[16:11] <Riotta> xfmedia it's called
[16:14] <persi> thanks, less usable would be too much :)
[16:14] <persi> xfmedia isnt installed yet
[16:14] <persi> gettin it
[16:15] <persi> wow looks cool
[16:15] <persi> just losing track of all those packages
[16:30] <AlexCONRAD> how would you recommend setting up an .sh script that requires root privilege and should be launched during PC start up?
[16:30] <AlexCONRAD> /etc/rc.local?
[16:36] <Riotta> AlexCONRAD: yes
[16:37] <Riotta> rc.local would be good
[16:38] <AlexCONRAD> Riotta: thanks. If I remember well, this is only executed on each boot. If a user logs out and logs in again, it won't be execute, right ?
[16:38] <Riotta> yes
[16:38] <AlexCONRAD> great
[16:38] <Riotta> make sure that both this script and rc.local has executable flag (chmod +x file)
[16:39] <AlexCONRAD> Riotta: is has
[16:39] <AlexCONRAD> both do
[16:39] <Riotta> kk
[16:39] <AlexCONRAD> tnxtnx
[16:39] <Riotta> npnp
[16:39] <Riotta> :D
[17:25] <persi> ok now, wanna bother with mouse, I fixed the speed of scrolling problem for firefox, but would like a more general solution, are there any?
[17:25] <persi> I mean, for flexible set up of extra buttons and wheel
[17:26] <persi> hopefully witout editing of confs
[17:42] <Riotta> persi: logitech ?
[17:42] <Riotta> mouse
[17:42] <persi> M$
[17:42] <Riotta> IE 3.0 ?
[17:43] <persi> huh? not really, firefox
[17:43] <Riotta> mouse
[17:43] <persi> intellimouse
[17:43] <Riotta> Intellimouse 3.0
[17:43] <Riotta> or different ?
[17:43] <persi> sorry, theres new explorer one i believe
[17:43] <persi> ah, .11
[17:43] <persi> 1.1
[17:43] <persi> 1.1a
[17:43] <Riotta> ah 1.1a
[17:43] <Riotta> w8
[17:44] <persi> whats w8, never seen that
[17:44] <Riotta> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=171396&page=2
[17:44] <Riotta> w8 = wait
[17:45] <Riotta> unfortunetly not gui configuration cause you can't configure it by gui but it's a howto
[17:45] <persi> ah thanks, shame on me
[17:46] <Riotta> linux isn't like click and run sometimes it's alot easier to edit some config than click it
[17:46] <persi> yeah, I was used to it in dos times - before like 96th, but now it is hard to catch up
[17:47] <persi> btw noob question, what does the ring that is at the header of each window does
[17:47] <persi> button
[17:47] <persi> one at the left
[17:48] <persi> theres picture in the corner and that button with circle to the right from it
[17:49] <Riotta> in xfce ?
[17:49] <Riotta> I think it pins windows on all virtual desktops
[17:50] <Riotta> I'm not using this cause my window border theme haven't got it atall
[19:31] <assassain101> I need some help with my alt disk.
[19:32] <assassain101> Apparently, the live CD for Xubuntu won't run on my machine, (I can only get the desktop to boot if I use safe graphics mode and it is SLOOOOOOW)
[19:33] <assassain101> So, I downloaded the iso for the alt install, and after burning it, it wasn't even detected by my machine.  So I guess what I'm asking is...can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong with burning it?
[19:34] <assassain101> I don't have admin rights on this machine so my usual ISO burner can't be installed, and I accidently removed windows on the computer I want to install it on.
[19:34] <assassain101> So, I found this one data disc burner already installed on here.  It has some crazy options though I've never seen before...
[19:38] <y4ndexx> InfraRecorder doesn't need installation, IIRC.
[19:41] <assassain101> It would appear so.
[19:41] <assassain101> Thank you.
[19:58] <assassain101> It says "No recorders available".
[19:58] <assassain101> After I selected the iso to burn.
[20:19] <raidoh> hi
[20:19] <raidoh> how to see the lan?
[20:28] <Odd-rationale> raidoh: try iwconfig, ifconfig, or iwlist scanning
[20:48] <keri> hi
[20:48] <Odd-rationale> !hi | keri
[20:48] <keri> i got a kodak easy share camera and i pluged it in but nothing showed up, not even a drive... any help is appreciated.
[20:51] <Odd-rationale> hmm. try unplugging it. plugging it back. then pastebin the output of "sudo fdisk -l"
[20:53] <Odd-rationale> keri: ^
[20:53] <keri> i know
[20:53] <keri> im working on it.. bout to paste now
[20:53] <Odd-rationale> ok. sorry.
[20:55] <keri> http://paste.ubuntu.com/19125/
[20:56] <keri> hey, should i have the camera on when i unplugged it then plugged it back in?
[20:56] <Odd-rationale> i think you should turn it off, unplug, plug, turn on
[20:57] <keri> no change anyway... would a hub make it not be detected.. 1 usb to 4?
[20:57] <keri> im using a hub
[20:58] <Odd-rationale> keri: well, it would be best if you plugged dirrectly
[20:58] <Odd-rationale> just to take further complications out of the equation...
[20:59] <Odd-rationale> keri: so your camer simply has a vfat filesystem?
[20:59] <keri> not sure
[21:00] <keri> ya no change from being off of the hub or not.. the camera says its connected to the media
[21:00] <Odd-rationale> keri: is it an older camera? most newer ones supprt usb mass storage...
[21:00] <keri> so i dont know why its not picking it up... where do i go to check on connected usb devices?  xubuntu is stripped out so i usually use hardware manager
[21:01] <keri> 2years old
[21:01] <Volkodav> sudo lsusb
[21:01] <Volkodav> does it show there?
[21:01] <Odd-rationale> older camera uses the Picture Transfer Protocol (PTP). you would need something like gthmbs for that...
[21:02] <Odd-rationale> gthumb
[21:02] <Volkodav> gphoto2 works too
[21:02] <keri> yes lsusb shows Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[21:03] <Volkodav> It did not recognize it as Kodak?
[21:03] <keri> hold on that was off mode.. on mode is going to have to be  another pastebin thing brb
[21:03] <keri> yes it does
[21:03] <keri> it says kodak co. now
[21:03] <keri> Bus 001 Device 009: ID 040a:05aa Kodak Co.
[21:03] <keri> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[21:04] <Volkodav> what's the model ?
[21:04] <keri> c433
[21:06] <keri> hows it going?>
[21:06] <Volkodav> http://www.teaser.fr/~hfiguiere/linux/digicam.html
[21:07] <Volkodav> it's not on the list
[21:07] <Volkodav> but I will still try
[21:08] <Volkodav> it uses p2p2 driver
[21:09] <Volkodav> http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?group_id=8874&release_id=528571
[21:10] <Volkodav> sudo apt-get install gphoto2
[21:10] <keri> ok ill try that program
[21:11] <Volkodav> it is cli based though but helped me before with Kodaks and Canons
[21:12] <keri> aww man
[21:12] <keri> i need easy
[21:12] <keri> this is for a customer.
[21:13] <Volkodav> and then run gphoto2 --auto-detect
[21:13] <Volkodav> it is easy ti use
[21:13] <Volkodav> gphoto2 --summary
[21:13] <Volkodav> do it as root though
[21:14] <Volkodav> your customer will need one command actually ==> gphoto2 --get-all-files
[21:14] <Volkodav> that's all
[21:14] <Volkodav> ]it will dl pics and video if any
[21:14] <keri> where does the pictures go
[21:15] <Volkodav> whichever directory you fire the command from
[21:15] <Volkodav> http://gphoto.sourceforge.net/doc/manual/using-gphoto2.html
[21:15] <keri> im having issues even installing the program.. i said yes to it to install but it is not done for some reasone it take forevfer
[21:16] <Volkodav> any errors?
[21:16] <keri> nop-e just still waiting for it to say its installed
[21:16] <Volkodav> I just installed it on my box in a snap
[21:17] <keri> should i see any input after i say yes to install it?
[21:17] <Volkodav> yes
[21:17] <keri> well its still just sitting here
[21:17] <keri> i already aborted once
[21:18] <keri> thank you for your help.  ill do this someother time.
[21:18] <Volkodav> http://paste.ubuntu.com/19131/
[21:18] <Volkodav> ok
[21:18] <keri> ya its having issues with going to russia to get the files
[21:19]  * Volkodav hopes keri did install as root
[21:19] <keri> not with sudo .. with gksudo my friend :))
[21:20] <Volkodav> I use just su
[21:20] <Volkodav> matter of fact
[21:20] <keri> lol
[21:20] <keri> thanks
[21:21]  * Volkodav wonders what the heck is gksudo ?
[21:22] <Myrtti> installed as root?
[21:22] <Myrtti> /me shudders
[21:22] <Myrtti> gksudo is the graphical frontend to sudo which is used in xubuntu and ubuntu
[21:22] <Volkodav> yeah - I want to have my root in console
[21:22] <Volkodav> when I need it
[21:23] <Myrtti> what's wrong with sudo -i
[21:23] <Volkodav> I am old school
[21:23] <Volkodav> I do sudo passwd
[21:23] <Myrtti> !noroot
[21:23] <Volkodav> and I have my root
[21:23] <Volkodav> nah
[21:24] <Volkodav> let them play with sudos
[21:24] <Volkodav> then
[21:24] <Myrtti> please, let them :-)
[21:24] <Volkodav> yeah why nt
[23:52] <AlexCONRAD> hi, what's the package that provides "Applications > System > Hardware Drivers" ?


[03:44] <kelms> hi there
[04:00] <kelms> hi there
[04:11] <kelms> anybody there
[04:15] <wolffu> This is the right place for the NM Loco meeting, right?
[04:17] <kelms> last time I checked
[04:30] <wolffu> I guess the meeting has been cancelled. Oh well, have a good night.
[04:30] <kelms> see you next meeting
[04:48]  * mneptok and woowoo closed on a house refinancing tonight, so ...
[04:49] <mneptok> sorry i was not around


[09:35] <user|52> Hello everyone, I have a laptop Asus VivoBook
[09:35] <user|52> i'm new to Linux
[09:35] <user|52> I have a driver question how to install?
 what driver tho?
[09:44] <Fatal_Sushi> @bongwitcher they're gone
[09:45] <Fatal_Sushi> you guys should switch over to IRC instead of using telegram...
 in kubantu i want to use multi gesture touchpad is thair any way to use in my kubantu
 4J31 (re @join_captcha_bot: )
 4X7X (re @join_captcha_bot: )
[12:39] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[16:52] <gv> How to disable updates checking on internet connection in kubuntu?
[17:12] <gv> How to disable update-manager or update-notifier from automatically checking for updates on internet connection in Kubuntu?
 is there any way i could determine my airpods battery percent on KDE bluetooth menu?
 Search this on Google.
 bluetooth battery level linux
 You will get some CLI tool and mey be gnome tools  for this
 CLI works perfectly (re @Veektony: is there any way i could determine my airpods battery percent on KDE bluetooth menu?)
 thanks
[17:31] <Fatal_Sushi> @Veektony same answer as we provided yesterday for another user with a Bluetooth headset, depending on your version of plasma and if your device provides the protocol for it. If it doesn't show, it's not supported by your devices.
 Hello, quick question
 If I install a file that builds via dkms from the terminal, in my case,
 sudo apt install rtl8821ce-dkms
  (my wifi card), if I
 sudo apt remove rtl8821ce-dkms
 , will it also unbuild it? Or do I have to do extra steps to remove it fully?
 Anyone knows how to???? (re @Juane: Do you know how may i fix it?!)


[00:57] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Dash to Dock Devs are Working on GNOME 40 Support @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/04/dash-to-dock-gnome-40-support (by Joey Sneddon)
[01:12] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Security:: Episode 110 @ https://ubuntusecuritypodcast.org/episode-110/
[03:57] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: David Tomaschik: Making: A Desk Clamp for Light Panels @ https://systemoverlord.com/2021/03/31/making-a-desk-clamp-for-light-panels.html
[06:28] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Kubernetes across clouds: Ubuntu at NVIDIA GTC 2021 @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/ubuntu-talks-kubernetes-at-gtc
[07:26] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Ceph Pacific 16.2.0 is now available @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/ceph-pacific-16-2-0-is-now-available
[14:29] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Podcast from the UK LoCo: S14E04 – Shrug Material Bits @ https://ubuntupodcast.org/2021/04/01/s14e04-shrug-material-bits/
[18:11] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: New Microsoft Edge Dev Update Launches with Linux Goodies @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/new-microsoft-edge-dev-update-launches-with-linux-goodies-532578.shtml (by Bogdan Popa)
[20:02] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Ubuntu 21.04 Beta Released, Available to Download Now @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/04/ubuntu-21-04-beta-release (by Joey Sneddon)
[21:05] <guiverc> push https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2021-April/000267.html to fridge?  (hirsute final beta released)
[21:21] <guiverc> up for preview
[21:48] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Portugal:: Ep 136 – Galinha @ https://podcastubuntuportugal.org/e136/
[21:59] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Podcast Ubuntu Portugal: Ep 136 – Galinha @ https://podcastubuntuportugal.org/e136/
[21:59] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Lubuntu Blog: Lubuntu 21.04 (Hirsute Hippo) BETA testing @ https://lubuntu.me/lubuntu-21-04-hirsute-hippo-beta-testing/
[22:05] <kryten> guiverc: Ok, looking..
[22:09] <guiverc> grrr link in originally-posted is wrong somehow
[22:09] <kryten> Yeah, was just gonna say..  I'll fix if you let me in..
[22:10] <kryten> Also, I'd drop the colons from the flavor headers.
[22:10] <guiverc> I've closed page..
[22:11] <guiverc> hadn't thought of colons.. I didn't like that after Xubuntu and it returns to generic detail (Regular daily images..) there isn't a break post-xubuntu
[22:12] <kryten> True too..
[22:31] <kryten> guiverc: Huh, as it turns out, the last post about a Beta release was from 18.04..  Was wondering how we solved the formatting issue the last time.. >_>  But I think I made it somewhat better now!..
[22:33] <guiverc> thanks kryten, appreciated
[22:33] <guiverc> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2021/04/01/ubuntu-21-04-hirsute-hippo-final-beta-released/
[22:38] <kryten> guiverc: Wanna do social media on this one too? :3
[22:39] <guiverc> wasn't intending to, for the actual release for sure.. do you think it's worth it?
[22:39] <guiverc> twitter is easy, I'll tweet
[22:40] <guiverc> tweeted
[22:42] <kryten> I believe the Beta is the second most important news item on a specific release only behind its actual release, and it incites testing and stuff so..


[04:22] <Takyoji> feh http://www.pcsforpeople.com/index.php/receive/what-you-get
[06:51] <Takyoji> So I guess it's almost exactly a month until the 11.10 release, but I have a feeling nobody's really interested anymore. :P
[13:29] <GTRsdk> hey tonyyarusso


[00:46] <smoser> tennis, the 'users' list defaults to just 'default'
[00:46] <smoser> which is special
[00:46] <smoser> and reads the 'default' from the operating system section
[00:46] <smoser> but you can just change that in that section to whatever you want
[00:54] <tennis> smoser: ok.  Thanks. :)
[00:56] <smoser> just as a reminder, basically everything other than the datasource list can be patched or reset in user-data


[07:28] <davidcalle> Morning o/
[07:33] <czajkowski> aloha
[12:35] <ejat> jcastro: u there?
[14:35] <jose> ejat: need me to tell him something? he's around here
[14:35] <ejat> thanks jose ...
[14:35] <ejat> its about juju openstack-dashboard
[14:36] <jose> #juju, Jorge is not an OpenStack charmer
[14:36] <jose> OpenStack charmers know those inside out :)
[14:38] <ejat> last time he was a charmer too :))
[15:21] <jose> oh, yes, but there's an entire team dedicated to OpenStack now, called OpenStack Charmers
[15:45] <dholbach> all right my friends - see you all next week - have a good one!
[15:47]  * jose hugs dholbach
[15:47] <popey> o/
[15:48]  * dholbach hugs you all too


[01:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server arm64+raspi [Jammy Beta] (20220329) has been added
[01:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server armhf+raspi [Jammy Beta] (20220329) has been added
[01:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server riscv64+unleashed [Jammy Beta] (20220329) has been added
[01:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server riscv64+unmatched [Jammy Beta] (20220329) has been added
[01:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: node-eslint-visitor-keys (jammy-proposed/universe) [3.3.0+~0.0.51-1 => 3.3.0+~0.0.51-2] (no packageset) (sync)
[03:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server Subiquity amd64 [Jammy Beta] (20220330) has been added
[03:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server Subiquity arm64 [Jammy Beta] (20220330) has been added
[03:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server Subiquity ppc64el [Jammy Beta] (20220330) has been added
[03:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server Subiquity s390x [Jammy Beta] (20220330) has been added
[04:19] <plars> isotracker seems slow/unresponsive at the moment
[04:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu MATE Desktop amd64 [Jammy Beta] has been updated (20220330)
[05:13] <fossfreedom> Ubuntu Budgie is not part of the jammy beta iso party?
[05:13] <bryceh> ubuntu-archive, LP: #1967048 looks like an easy/obvious package removal if anyone gets a chance
[05:23] <RAOF> That's some pretty compelling reasoning :)
[05:23] <cpaelzer> indeed
[05:23] <RAOF> cpaelzer: Are you doing that?
[05:23] <cpaelzer> yeah I'm looking at it
[05:24]  * RAOF shall stop, then.
[05:24] <bryceh> thanks cpaelzer :-)
[05:25] <bryceh> (I am hiding from my crazy children)
[05:27] <bryceh> one other thing I ran into that probably needs an AA but I don't know what to ask for:  node-carto has changed dependencies and now requires node-hsluv.  node-hsluv is in Debian but hasn't appeared in Ubuntu.  I think the right solution is to request sync for node-hsluv but am not sure how to file such a request
[05:28] <bryceh> feels like a MIR, but both are universe things so more of a UIR ;-)
[05:31] <cpaelzer> let me finish pupeteer first before reading into this, I'm still slow as I try to triple check everything
[05:36] <cpaelzer> RAOF: if you do not mind you could have a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~paelzer/ubuntu-archive-tools/+git/ubuntu-archive-tools/+merge/417088 as I can't self approve myself :-)
[05:42] <cpaelzer> bryceh: the first case is done but it has a small spin off task for you :-/ sorry
[05:43] <cpaelzer> looking into hsluv/carto now ...
[05:45] <bryceh> no worries, thanks
[05:47] <cpaelzer> ok bryceh I think carto/hsluv initially is less of a permission/AA question
[05:48] <cpaelzer> at first I thought yeah, let us probably just sync hsluv probably recommend to file abug to explain as it will hit the new queue
[05:48] <cpaelzer> but
[05:48] <cpaelzer> that isn't the final picture now that I looked around
[05:48] <cpaelzer> bryceh: take a look here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/node-hsluv/+publishinghistory
[05:48] <bryceh> mm
[05:49] <cpaelzer> it isn't just "not synced yet" but was removed for a problem
[05:49] <cpaelzer> then OTOH ppx-tools is back
[05:49] <cpaelzer>  ppx-tools | 6.4-1build1  | jammy/universe  | source
[05:49] <bryceh> cpaelzer, I also see it may not just be hsluv; there are also depends on dh-sequence-nodejs,  dh-sequence-sphinxdoc that I'm not spotting in the archive
[05:49] <cpaelzer> so before syncing it back we might want to have a PPA showing that the old FTFBS around ppx-tools (or the new version thereof) does not break things in hsluv
[05:50] <cpaelzer> bryceh: pkg-js-tools => Provides: dh-sequence-nodejs (= 0.12.10), dh-sequence-nodejs-no-lerna (= 0.12.10)
[05:51] <cpaelzer> similarly sphinx-common for dh-sequence-sphinxdoc
[05:51] <bryceh> ah ok
[05:51] <cpaelzer> my suggestion would be 1. take a ppa and ensure hsluv and then carto with it is building fine in jammy
[05:51] <cpaelzer> 2. check that it install (dependencies) fine in jammy
[05:52] <cpaelzer> 3. do a sanity check
[05:52] <cpaelzer> 4. with the info you collected in 1-3 make a bug on carto+hsluv asking for an FFe to resolve the current issue being stuck in -proposed
 "RAOF (he/his): if you do not..." <- That looks sensible; approved.
[05:53] <cpaelzer> once that FFe is approved you can sync it and guide the builds/migration
[05:53] <cpaelzer> thanks RAOF
[05:55] <cpaelzer> bryceh: does this path forward seem reasonable to you?
[06:02] <bryceh> cpaelzer, it answers the question, yes.  :-)  (With all the node packages I'm looking for either low-hanging fruit, or keystone things that'll unblock lots)
[06:02] <cpaelzer> ok
[06:03] <cpaelzer> good luck in hiding from the crazy kids :-)
[06:03] <bryceh> yeah speaking of which I probably should assist in knocking them out, er putting them to bed.  cya
[06:49] <icey> jamespage: ah, should have removed pon's patch in the ceph point release; it's included in the upstream release :-/
[06:49] <icey> s/removed pon's patch/removed the changelog lines relating to it/
[06:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libdbd-mysql-perl (jammy-proposed/universe) [4.050-4ubuntu1 => 4.050-5] (mythbuntu) (sync)
[07:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mate-tweak (jammy-proposed/universe) [22.04.7-0ubuntu1 => 22.04.8-0ubuntu1] (ubuntu-mate)
[07:16] <Wimpy> Please allow and unblock mate-tweak 22.04.8-0ubuntu1
[07:20] <fossfreedom> Any release managers around? I can see UB jammy daily was built last night, but I isn't on the tracker/beta release folder.
[07:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ldns (impish-proposed/universe) [1.7.1-2build1 => 1.7.1-2ubuntu0.1] (no packageset)
[08:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: vitis-ai (jammy-proposed/universe) [1.3.2-0ubuntu9 => 2.0-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[08:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted vitis-ai [source] (jammy-proposed) [2.0-0ubuntu1]
[08:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Budgie Desktop amd64 [Jammy Beta] (20220329.1) has been added
[08:39] <juliank> sil2100: I was silly, 4810 was a valid ppc64el rebuild PPA too
[08:39] <juliank> sil2100: So it was really 4810, 4813, 4815, 4816
[08:40] <sil2100> juliank: should I re-add 4810 as well? Or did that already migrate?
[08:40] <juliank> sil2100: re-add I suppose; like aspell and attr can migrate I suppose
[08:41] <sil2100> On it!
[08:48] <juliank> sil2100: We also still have 7 packages left with old ppc64el baseline that failed to build: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/4812, I guess maybe someone can pick that up for +1
[08:49] <juliank> but also I think a few are desktop
[08:50] <juliank> oh some were fixed with the same version, so don't show up as newer verson
[08:52] <juliank> ltrace is foundations, the rest is desktop packages
[08:53] <juliank> seb128: so there are 5 desktop ftbfs remaining from the ppc64el baselinr rebuild in the PPA above, I don't know which were on the archive rebuild report and carded on your side
[08:54] <juliank> I guess libblockdev and zsys were
[08:54] <seb128> yes and exempi is carded
[08:54] <seb128> lbdb wasn't
[08:54] <juliank> and tmispell-voikko is desktop too
[08:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-drivers-common (focal-proposed/main) [1:0.9.0~<IP_ADDRESS> => 1:0.9.0~<IP_ADDRESS>] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[08:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-drivers-common (impish-proposed/main) [1:<IP_ADDRESS>~<IP_ADDRESS> => 1:<IP_ADDRESS>~<IP_ADDRESS>] (desktop-core)
[08:55] <seb128> juliank, that one is green in the ppa?
[08:55] <juliank> oh
[08:55] <juliank> indeed
[08:55] <juliank> it must have flaky build
[08:56] <juliank> copied
[08:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: tmispell-voikko (jammy-proposed/main) [0.7.1-5 => 0.7.1-5build1] (ubuntu-desktop) (sync)
[08:57] <juliank> seb128: zsys even is actually good, it didn't build on s390x and armhf in release pocket either
[08:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: zsys (jammy-proposed/main) [0.5.8build1 => 0.5.8build2] (ubuntu-desktop) (sync)
[08:59] <juliank> yay, down to 4 missing rebuilds :)
[08:59] <juliank> ** autopkgtest arm64 workers increased by 33% **
[09:00] <RikMills> sil2100: hey, I have plasma 5.24.4 to land once the beta is done. I take it will be ok to land the whole stack, even though some of the tars will not have much of a change apart from a version bump?
[09:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: lbdb (jammy-proposed/main) [0.49.1 => 0.49.2] (core)
[09:01] <seb128> juliank, ^ down to 3
[09:02] <juliank> cool
[09:05] <seb128> sil2100, we asked yesterday to have gnome-shell unblocked before beta, was that nacked?
[09:06] <seb128> https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2022/03/29/%23ubuntu-release.html#t09:17
[09:07] <seb128> sil2100, also could you accept mesa from the unapproved queue? the recent 22 update had a regression that makes GL applications segfault under xorg, the update fixes it by reverting a change
[09:07] <tjaalton> I've just uploaded 22.0.1
[09:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mesa (jammy-proposed/main) [22.0.0-0ubuntu2 => 22.0.1-1ubuntu1] (core, i386-whitelist, xorg)
[09:08] <tjaalton> it also fixes a typo/thinko in the amber recommends
[09:08] <tjaalton> which reminds me, can a package in manifest recommend a package from universe?
[09:10] <seb128> tjaalton, no
[09:10] <tjaalton> rats
[09:10] <seb128> that's a component mismatch
[09:10] <tjaalton> then don't accept this :)
[09:11] <seb128> either lower to a suggests or MIR
[09:14] <seb128> juliank, do you have any idea about the libblockdev one? it's always puzzling to me when a no change rebuild makes a stack of new symbols be listed
[09:14] <seb128> is that a toolchain regression?
[09:15] <tjaalton> I've opened bug 1967086 for the MIR, should be a simple one since this is essentially mesa 21.3.x
[09:17] <seb128> tjaalton, you might want to address the code duplication there and provide a bit more details on which binaries are going to be provided and who is going to consume those
[09:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: intel-media-driver-non-free (jammy-proposed/multiverse) [22.2.1+ds1-1 => 22.2.1+ds1-1build1] (i386-whitelist)
[09:18] <seb128> sil2100, can you also unblock intel-media-driver? it's in universe and the current binary is just broken
[09:24] <juliank> seb128: seems all internal symbols became public? odd
[09:26] <tjaalton> seb128: done, I think
[09:26] <juliank> seb128: the symbols are not even from the library, it seems to be linking in some other library statically?
[09:27] <juliank> extern int erase_metadata(struct lib_context *lc); is in dmraid source package
[09:28] <juliank> seb128: I think libdmraid is broken
[09:28] <juliank> seb128: The static library is in /usr/lib/<multi-arch>, the dynamic one in /usr/lib, and linker hence links to the static one (cc doko, ginggs)
[09:29] <juliank> seb128, doko, ginggs so this worked before because the dynamic one was in /lib, but with usrmerge, the static one in multi-arch is preferred
[09:30] <juliank> basically mv /usr/lib/libdmraid.so  /usr/lib/<multi-arch>/
[09:30] <juliank> is what's needed to fix this
[09:30] <juliank> and I guess rebuild everything built against libdmraid that accidentally got linked statically
[09:32] <juliank> seb128: I think just a merge of dmraid needed which fixes https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1005622
[09:33] <seb128> juliank, thanks, I will check that
[09:38] <mwhudson> oh no usrmerge _did_ actually cause a problem
[09:39] <tjaalton> sil2100: so the queue has two mesa uploads, the older one is safe to accept, the newer one fixes a Recommends so that it'd pull libgl1-amber-dri but it's still in universe. maybe deal with the MIR after beta
[09:39] <juliank> mwhudson: actually I think it's full library moving to multi-arch dir, but symlink was not updated
[09:39] <mwhudson> juliank: argh
[09:40] <juliank> in 1.0.0.rc16-10 /usr/lib/libdmraid.so is a dangling symlink to
[09:40] <juliank> > /lib/libdmraid.so.1.0.0.rc16
[09:40] <juliank> to quote mbiebl
[09:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: pygame (jammy-proposed/universe) [1.9.6+dfsg-5ubuntu2 => 2.1.2+dfsg-3] (no packageset) (sync)
[10:01] <seb128> juliank, ^ fix from Debian cherrypicked, thanks for the help figuring it out, I will handle rebuilds from rdepends once that one is accepted, build, published
[10:02] <seb128> sorry hit enter before the bot picked it up :p
[10:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: dmraid (jammy-proposed/main) [1.0.0.rc16-10ubuntu1 => 1.0.0.rc16-10ubuntu2] (core, i386-whitelist)
[10:03] <seb128> sil2100, there isn't any bug reference for the delta added back with https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dmraid/1.0.0.rc16-10ubuntu1 ... is that only until the LTS or what's the deal there?
[10:05] <Wimpy> sil2100 Please allow and unblock mate-tweak 22.04.8-0ubuntu1
[10:06] <juliank> seb128: could have been merged, there wasn't anything else in the Debian upload than what you cherry-picked, but oh well, doesn't matter much; might be nicer this way if we can sync it next cycle
[10:06] <seb128> indeed
[10:16] <sil2100> seb128: the bug the delta was fixing was old and closed, maybe I could have added it to the changelog. As per the changelog entry, I wasn't sure if the delta is still needed or not (felt like it might be?) - I asked people around for it on IRC but no one remembered anything
[10:16] <sil2100> So instead of syncing and then suddenly learning through some weird issues that it was indeed still needed, I decided to keep it as a merge
[10:17] <sil2100> Wimpy: hey hey! Looking!
[10:28] <sil2100> Wimpy: accepting! But not sure if this will make it for Beta
[10:28] <sil2100> Since if all goes well, we won't be re-spinning
[10:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mate-tweak [source] (jammy-proposed) [22.04.8-0ubuntu1]
[10:30] <sil2100> tjaalton: okay, I can accept the older mesa upload, but since Beta is already in-flight, I think we'll only get that into the release pocket in case of a respin, if anything. How frequently is this crash visible?
[10:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mesa [source] (jammy-proposed) [22.0.0-0ubuntu3]
[10:51] <RikMills> sil2100: did you catch my message about plasma 5.24.4?
[10:52] <sil2100> RikMills: ah, sorry! Got lost in though about that. How many packages are we talking here this time?
[10:52] <RikMills> sil2100: 51
[10:52] <RikMills> https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4823
[10:53] <RikMills> sil2100: I have done this after beta every release I can recall
[10:54] <sil2100> RikMills: we have a lot of movement in -proposed still, a bit too much than I would like, but I'd say 'yes'
[10:54] <tjaalton> sil2100: shouldn't be too visible I think, it happens on xorg lauching some apps like 'gnome-chess' or 'gnome-extensions-app' that I know of
[10:54] <sil2100> tjaalton: ok, that's good to hear
[10:56] <RikMills> sil2100: thanks. it can wait a little to land if that makes things easier. I can ask at that point
[12:29]  * ginggs looks at the growing jammy unapproved queue https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jammy/+queue?queue_state=1
[12:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: budgie-artwork (jammy-proposed/universe) [0.14.3 => 0.14.4] (personal-fossfreedom, ubuntu-budgie)
[12:29] <ginggs> isn't there usually a bot that auto-accepts unseeded packages during freeze?
[12:40] <cjwatson> It seems to be writing "Series no longer in active development; not accepting packages" to its log file
[12:41] <cjwatson> Which seems to have been a change from vorlon on 2021-10-14.  I don't know whether that was supposed to also include the pre-release freeze state?
[12:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ceph (focal-proposed/main) [15.2.14-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 15.2.16-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[12:47] <sil2100> Oh
[13:27] <Wimpy> Thanks for mate-tweak sil2100
[13:32] <sil2100> cjwatson, ginggs: ok, hopefully this should be better now
[13:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted golang-github-hhatto-gorst [source] (jammy-proposed) [0.0~git20181029.ca9f730-2ubuntu1]
[13:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted node-eslint-visitor-keys [sync] (jammy-proposed) [3.3.0+~0.0.51-2]
[13:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted softhsm2 [source] (jammy-proposed) [2.6.1-2ubuntu1]
[13:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted intel-media-driver-non-free [source] (jammy-proposed) [22.2.1+ds1-1build1]
[13:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted pygame [sync] (jammy-proposed) [2.1.2+dfsg-3]
[13:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted 0ad [sync] (jammy-proposed) [0.0.25b-2]
[13:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted elementpath [sync] (jammy-proposed) [2.5.0-1]
[13:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted notmuch [source] (jammy-proposed) [0.35-2ubuntu1]
[13:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted r-cran-openssl [source] (jammy-proposed) [1.4.6+dfsg-1ubuntu1]
[13:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cctbx [sync] (jammy-proposed) [2021.12+ds1-4]
[13:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-xmlschema [sync] (jammy-proposed) [1.10.0-1]
[13:34] <sil2100> \o/
[13:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gemmi [sync] (jammy-proposed) [0.5.3+ds-2]
[13:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-calls (jammy-proposed/universe) [42~rc.1-1 => 42.0-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[13:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-calls [sync] (jammy-proposed) [42.0-1]
[14:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: webkit2gtk (jammy-proposed/main) [2.36.0-1 => 2.36.0-2ubuntu1] (desktop-core, i386-whitelist)
[15:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-online-accounts (jammy-proposed/main) [3.43.1-1ubuntu1 => 3.44.0-1ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-desktop)
[17:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: meta-phosh (jammy-proposed/universe) [6 => 7] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted meta-phosh [sync] (jammy-proposed) [7]
[17:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: goffice (jammy-proposed/universe) [0.10.50-1 => 0.10.51-1] (desktop-extra) (sync)
[17:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mysql-8.0 (focal-proposed/main) [8.0.28-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 8.0.28-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (i386-whitelist)
[17:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mysql-8.0 (impish-proposed/main) [8.0.28-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 8.0.28-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (core, i386-whitelist)
[17:56] <kanashiro> hi release team, I'd like to ask someone to take a quick look at this MP changing pacemaker to avoid pulling bin:resource-agents (and bin:resource-agents-extra) into main: https://code.launchpad.net/~lucaskanashiro/ubuntu/+source/pacemaker/+git/pacemaker/+merge/417962
[17:56] <kanashiro> ahasenack and I were not sure if a release team approval is needed
[18:10] <bdmurray> A change to have less stuff in main? Let me have a look.
[18:12] <bdmurray> kanashiro: this is not something that requires release team approval, but thanks for detailing out the plan and checking
[18:13] <kanashiro> bdmurray, thanks for confirming that, appreciated :)
[18:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: pacemaker (jammy-proposed/main) [2.1.2-1ubuntu2 => 2.1.2-1ubuntu3] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-server)
[18:31] <bdmurray> paride: How is the server testing going?
[18:33] <ahasenack> bdmurray: thanks
[18:44] <plars> isotracker down again :(
[18:44] <bdmurray> plars: Yeah, its being worked on
[18:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted squeekboard [sync] (jammy-proposed) [1.17.0-1]
[19:01] <Eickmeyer> cjwatson: Looks like lcy02 had an issue with a build, similar to what was happening with jammy: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/593957727/buildlog_ubuntu_focal_amd64_ubuntustudio_BUILDING.txt.gz
[19:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: apport (focal-proposed/main) [2.20.11-0ubuntu27.22 => 2.20.11-0ubuntu27.23] (core, i386-whitelist)
[19:25] <bdmurray> sil2100: Why does current have 2022-03-26 for the jammy-desktop-amd64.iso? https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/daily-live/current/
[19:26] <bdmurray> There's a new image in 20220329.1
[19:32] <sil2100> bdmurray: I guess there's some automated testing running for every desktop image before it gets 'promoted' to current, so I'd suppose those are failing
[19:33] <sil2100> But sadly I don't know the details of this testing, desktop team people would know
[19:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: aodh (jammy-proposed/main) [1:14.0.0~rc1-0ubuntu2 => 1:14.0.0-0ubuntu1] (openstack)
[20:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: barbican (jammy-proposed/main) [2:13.0.0+git2022030310.ffea7f79-0ubuntu1 => 2:14.0.0-0ubuntu1] (openstack)
[20:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: resource-agents (jammy-proposed/main) [1:4.7.0-1ubuntu6 => 1:4.7.0-1ubuntu7] (ubuntu-server)
[20:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: designate (jammy-proposed/main) [1:13.0.0+git2022030310.8ce022a7-0ubuntu1 => 1:14.0.0-0ubuntu1] (openstack)
[20:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: neutron (jammy-proposed/main) [2:19.1.0+git2022030313.b072cbf05f-0ubuntu1 => 2:20.0.0-0ubuntu1] (openstack)
[20:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nova (jammy-proposed/main) [3:24.0.0+git2022030310.3f274c65cc-0ubuntu2 => 3:25.0.0-0ubuntu1] (openstack)
[20:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: glance (jammy-proposed/main) [2:24.0.0~rc1+git2022030311.d4119be05-0ubuntu1 => 2:24.0.0-0ubuntu1] (openstack)
[20:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: heat (jammy-proposed/main) [1:17.0.1+git2022030311.968969b99-0ubuntu1 => 1:18.0.0-0ubuntu1] (openstack)
[20:59] <ahasenack> hi release team, am I right that we should refrain from merging this MP (https://code.launchpad.net/~alexmurray/ubuntu-seeds/+git/ubuntu-seeds/+merge/417621) now, and wait for next week?
[21:00] <ahasenack> it makes iptables optional, and adds nftables to main (also optional, aka, recommends)
[21:02] <bdmurray> Yes, we aren't likely to have a rebuild but if I we do that would be taken into account
[21:02] <cjwatson> Eickmeyer: it's just the same thing - focal vs. jammy makes no difference.  The ticket is still with the cloud operations team
[21:02] <ahasenack> bdmurray: ok
[21:03] <ahasenack> bdmurray: so right after the beta is officially released on Thursday?
[21:03] <Eickmeyer> cjwatson: Kinda what I thought.
[21:04] <bdmurray> ahasenack: Yeah
[21:04] <ahasenack> thx
[21:06] <ahasenack> sbeattie: ^ sometime tomorrow or Friday then
[21:19] <sbeattie> ahasenack, bdmurray: thanks!
[21:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libinline-python-perl (jammy-proposed/universe) [0.56-2ubuntu1 => 0.56-3] (no packageset) (sync)
[21:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libinline-python-perl [sync] (jammy-proposed) [0.56-3]
[22:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: blueprint-compiler (jammy-proposed/primary) [0~20220302-2]
[23:16] <sil2100> o/
[23:18] <sil2100> Okay, I see we have a few bugs here and there mentioned on the tracker, but I think those are all things we can target to fix after Beta
[23:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server Subiquity riscv64 [Jammy Beta] (20220330.1) has been added
[23:20] <sil2100> Let me start pre-publishing the images anyway
[23:23] <Eickmeyer> sil2100: Yeah, looks good from an Ubuntu Studio perspective. The only issue I just caught was that MyPaint is broken, likely due to Python 3.10. Upstream has been made aware.
[23:24] <Eickmeyer> I have noticed some tangental theming bugs, but that's fixes I can throw-in after beta.
[23:24] <sil2100> Eickmeyer: thanks!
[23:24] <sil2100> We will all have quite a lot to do before release, but I think it's still not as bad as it could be
[23:25] <Eickmeyer> Indeed!
[23:31] <sil2100> Okay, images pre-published - let's check up again on things tomorrow, but I thing we'll just go with it around the afternoon
[23:31] <sil2100> Keep on testing, if possible o/
[23:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mypaint (jammy-proposed/universe) [2.0.1-2 => 2.0.1-2build1] (ubuntustudio)
[23:59]  * Eickmeyer blinks