[00:00] <pirko> Hi I am installing kubuntu via netboot but the disk controller is not recognized. It is ich8 chipset, ahci is enabled. any advice?
[00:00] <^TheCrono> does the intsall know what is /home what is swap and what is extended?
[00:00] <^TheCrono> i used to know how to install ubuntu heh
[00:00] <^TheCrono> but that was 5.10
[00:01] <Taggnostr> what is the min/suggested ram for kubuntu?
[00:02] <biovore> Taggnostr: I would suggest 384 or more.. else it runs like a slug..
[00:02] <fignew> Taggnostr: depends on how heavy of a user you are ;)
[00:03] <wimpies> stdin : I tried the fix on the referred page and the package now installs but still firefox does not load plugin ?
[00:04] <stdin> wimpies: have you restarted firefox?
[00:04] <wad> I'm playing with my new laptop (Thinkpad T61), and the sound is rather screwy. There is a volume control icon at the bottom right, but it doesn't do anything. Regardless of where I set the slider, the volume stays the same: medium. There is a "mixer" button, and it has a "PCM" slider (whatever PCM stands for) which actually controls the volume. Do you guys use something else? kmix seems lame to me.
[00:05] <wad> For example, in KMix, there are a bunch of cliders for microphones on the "output" tab. Huh?!?
[00:05] <Taggnostr> I just have to run 1/2 programs
[00:05] <wad> s/cliders/sliders/
[00:05] <wimpies> stdin yes I did
[00:06] <stdin> wimpies: I can't really help much, I don't use flash often and I run hardy not gutsy
[00:07] <Tonren> My keyboard stopped responding.  I couldn't even Ctrl + Alt + F1, but then I did an Alt + SysRq + R, and I was able to Ctrl + Alt + F1 into a VT and open up irssi to get here.  Why is this happening in KDE?
[00:08] <Tonren> Anyone?    Please help me.
[00:09] <biovore> dmesg show any hints
[00:10] <Tonren> Nope.
[00:10] <wad> Tonren: I think most people here are seeking help, rather than providing it. :) I know I'm certainly in the first category.
[00:11] <wad> Tonren: Did you have stuff on the display?
[00:11] <Tonren> wad: Yeah, I mean, other than the keyboard not functioning, KDE is functioning exactly as it should.
[00:11] <Tonren> I even used my Firefox bookmarks to navigate to a few threads on the issue.
[00:11] <Tonren> It seems unnervingly common, but there are no solutions.
[00:11] <wad> Tonren: Just use the mouse. Keyboards are overrated anyway.
[00:11] <wimpies> stdin : do you have flashplugin installed ? Can you check if you have an /etc/alternatives/mozilla-flashplugin ?
[00:11]  * wad ducks
[00:12] <wad> Tonren: I guess I can ask a serious question: Did you change anything recently on the system, that could have affected this?
[00:12] <stdin> wimpies: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 46 Jan  6 09:09 /etc/alternatives/mozilla-flashplugin -> /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so
[00:12] <wad> Specifically, anything in xorg.conf, maybe?
[00:12] <nosrednaekim> Tonren:i'm hearding alot of these reports... you need to disable slow keys in systemsettings->accesibility
[00:13] <wad> Hey, look! Someone who knows stuff!
[00:13] <nosrednaekim> Tonren: your mouse still works, right?
[00:13] <wimpies> stdin : hmm, thx ... i have that too :(
[00:15] <^TheCrono> Wow, 1.2GB is the size of my folder 'small games'
[00:15] <sebiz> español
[00:15] <^TheCrono> i might not even keep those, they may not work
[00:15] <respatix> does anyone know how to register a nick
[00:15] <sebiz> hola ayuda en español
[00:15] <Dragnslcr> !es | sebiz
[00:15] <^TheCrono> type /chanserv help
[00:15] <ubotu> sebiz: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[00:15] <^TheCrono> or /nickserv help
[00:16] <^TheCrono> its going to take 6 hours to compress my shit
[00:16] <^TheCrono> stuff*
[00:16] <^TheCrono> That's a long time
[00:17] <Tonren> wad: I don't think so, really.  And, yeah, the mouse still works.
[00:17] <^TheCrono> i even have 4 compressors going at once
[00:17] <nosrednaekim> Tonren: then go to system settings->accesibility and disable slow keys
[00:17] <wimpies> stdin : it works now ... for some reason (Just started and started firefox two or three times)
[00:18] <Tonren> nosrednaekim: Slow Keys is disabled; it was never enabled.
[00:18] <respatix> identify
[00:18] <stdin> wimpies: flash is odd, I guess sometimes it needs a kick :p
[00:18] <wimpies> Thx CUALL
[00:18] <nosrednaekim> Tonren: hmmm.. let me see
[00:19] <Tonren> nosrednaekim: Every time I Ctrl + Alt + F7 back to KDE, I have to Alt + SysRq + R to get back to my VT.
[00:19] <Tonren> I'm on an HP Compaq Presario v2565us laptop.
[00:19] <jimmy51> hello, does the second item on this page (http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/k/knetworkmanager/knetworkmanager_0.2ubuntu1-0ubuntu7/changelog) mean it's already in place in the package?
[00:20] <pierreth> my php bug was firefox
[00:20] <pierreth> everything was working
[00:20] <pierreth> firefox is caching the mime types
[00:20] <nosrednaekim> Tonren: hum, are you certain slow keys is disabled?
[00:21] <Tonren> nosrednaekim: Absolutely, positively certain.
[00:21] <Tonren> nosrednaekim: What does slow keys do?  Let you hold keys down to type them?
[00:22] <txwikinger> Tonren: you have a probem with the keyboard?
 I typed for the help and got it.  but still don't get get it.  it said identify and set.  what do i type register my nick
[00:22] <^TheCrono> its /msg nickserv register password i think
[00:22] <^TheCrono> not sure
[00:22] <respatix> let me try
[00:24] <jimmy51> here's an excerpt:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53091/
[00:24] <respatix> that didn't seem to do anything
[00:24] <Tonren> txwikinger: Yes.. a terrible, horrible problem.
[00:25] <txwikinger> It might be that slowkeys somehow switched on
[00:25] <Tonren> txwikinger: nosrednaekim was thinking the same thing, but it definitely isn't.  No chance at all.
[00:25] <jimmy51> there is or was a bug in kdenetworkmanager that prevents me from connecting to a windows server vpn.  this changelog shows a fix was implemented, but i'm not sure if it's in 7.10
[00:25] <txwikinger> try to press one key for several seconds and see
[00:26] <txwikinger> Tonren: what exactly happens?
[00:26] <Tonren> txwikinger: I tried that, nothing happened
[00:27] <stdin> jimmy51: see what version you have
[00:27] <Tonren> txwikinger: Just nothing.  The keyboard completely stops responding.  If I hit Alt + SysRq + R, I can hit Ctrl + Alt + F1 and go to a VT, which is what I'm doing now
[00:27] <CruCio> anyone here running ubuntu or kubuntu on their PS3 ?
[00:28] <CruCio> What makes you guys chooses Kubuntu over Ubuntu ?
[00:29] <^TheCrono> KDE
[00:29] <stdin> !ot
[00:29] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[00:29] <Tonren> Jesus... there are dozens of people on the boards with this exact same problem, and no one knows how to fix it.
[00:30] <txwikinger> Tonren: You could try to remove xserver-xorg-input-evdev and relogin .. maybi this helps
[00:30] <NickPresta> Perhaps such an application doesn't exist, but I was wonder if there was any way to easily make brackets that I can print? I am aware of bracketmaker.com but a local application is preferred. Any ideas?
[00:30] <jimmy51> stdin: (linux newness shows... )  how do i check my version from the command line?  i see it in the adept gui, but i'm curious about the cmd line method... apt-version or something?
[00:31] <NickPresta> jimmy51, to check your system version: lsb-release -a
[00:31] <NickPresta> jimmy51, lsb_release, sorry
[00:31] <stdin> jimmy51: "apt-cache policy <package>" so in your case "apt-cache policy knetworkmanager"
[00:31] <^TheCrono> man, my computer is using 30gigs of my HD..and i can'tfind that 30 gigs anywhere
[00:32] <^TheCrono> windows/programfiels is only 4GB
[00:32] <hari> hello
[00:32] <jimmy51> stdin: ok, i'm running "1:0.2ubuntu1-0ubuntu5"
[00:33] <jimmy51> stdin:  his changelog says "1:0.2ubuntu1-0ubuntu6"
[00:33] <stdin> jimmy51: then you don't have it, if you look at the changelog "knetworkmanager (1:0.2ubuntu1-0ubuntu6) hardy; urgency=low" you can see it's in hardy
[00:33] <hari> i have p4 ht processor but kubuntu does not display two processors is there some way i can enable hyperthreading?
[00:34] <jimmy51> stdin:  is there any way i can force mine to upgrade to the version the fix is in?
[00:34] <NickPresta> ^TheCrono, you could always do: `sudo du -sh /` and see where the bulk of your space is being used. cd into the largest folder and run `du -sh` there until you find the root of your problem. Check out `filelight` too, in the repos.
[00:34] <hari> i tried ht=on acpismp=force but nothings seems to work
[00:35] <^TheCrono> i'm not on kubuntu yet, i'm deleteing stuff off my HD so i can partition easyer
[00:35] <stdin> jimmy51: you can either request a backport on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager  or wait for hardy to be released
[00:36] <^TheCrono> i got an 80 gig HD, main partiton is 74GB, 50GB is free, everything on the partition is 15GB..wheres the other 10?
[00:36] <^TheCrono> 10gb is hiding somewhere
[00:37] <jimmy51> stdin:  thanks for the help.  i'll look around on the link you sent and try to request it.
[00:38] <stdin> jimmy51: you just file a bug report saying "Please backport knetworkmanager to gutsy because ..." and put in the reason
[00:40] <Tonren> :-\  My computer froze.
[00:43] <^TheCrono> well, here goes, i hope this is bootable
[00:44] <txwikinger> Tonren: Can you do things with the mouse>
[00:44] <txwikinger> ?
[00:44] <scubar> hi
[00:46] <nosrednaekim> back..
[00:47] <Tonren> txwikinger: It's working fine now.
[00:47] <Tonren> txwikinger: It will continue to do so until it randomly decides to break again.
[00:48] <txwikinger> do you have a lot of swapping going on at the same time?
[00:48] <nosrednaekim> thanks txwikinger
[00:48] <txwikinger> nosrednaekim: I didn't do anything :)
[00:48] <nosrednaekim> txwikinger: you tld him to remove that package
[00:49] <txwikinger> Ah.. was that helping?
[00:49] <nosrednaekim> !helpersnack | txwikinger just accept a cookie ok?
[00:49] <ubotu> txwikinger just accept a cookie ok?: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[00:49] <txwikinger> :)
[00:50] <txwikinger> thanks nosrednaekim
[00:51] <basy> Hi, I set system settings -> monitor&display -> power saving to 5hour, but monitor turns off after 10min. How can i find what is turninig off my monitor?...
[00:52] <rysiek|pl> guys, I am trying to run Compiz Fusion on an intel 965 (aka X3100)
[00:52] <nosrednaekim> Tonren: hey, if you have a forums account, mind posting what worked for you?
[00:53] <nosrednaekim> rysiek|pl: and...
[00:53] <rysiek|pl> I have set "SKIP_CHECKS=yes" and compiz runs... and X hangs
[00:54] <rysiek|pl> I get "I830 Vblank Pipe Setup Failed 0" in Xorg.0.log
[00:54] <Taggnostr> uhm, kubuntu starts without gui
[00:54] <rysiek|pl> ...and google was not of much help
[00:54] <humbolto> is there something like the CTRL+Shift+u then unicode shortcut in KDE to create unicode chars which are not on the keyboard?
[00:54] <nosrednaekim> rysiek|pl: what driver are you using? i810 or intel?
[00:54] <rysiek|pl> nosrednaekim: intel
[00:56] <rysiek|pl> nosrednaekim: I tried i810 while fighting with the widescreen problem (nvm, solved), but... xorg wouldn't even get up with that; should I try once again? It might have been the other options that were changed that killed xorg then
[00:56] <nosrednaekim> no.. intel is the correct driver
[00:56] <nosrednaekim> rysiek|pl: ask in #compiz-fusion
[00:56] <^TheCrono> Ugh, anyways, what is the command to install kubuntu?..it left me at a prompt saying ubuntu@ubuntu
[00:57] <rysiek|pl> nosrednaekim: ok, thx
[00:57] <nosrednaekim> Taggnostr: are you in recovery mode?
[00:57] <biovore> ^TheCrono: it did install..
[00:57] <^TheCrono> so..what hapepned?
[00:57] <biovore> X probably isn't starting because its dosn't like its configuration..
[00:57] <^TheCrono> How do i fix this?
[00:57] <biovore> depends.. how much unix you know?
[00:57] <^TheCrono> lol, i'm in here asking if it installed
[00:58] <biovore> so nothing then..
[00:58] <^TheCrono> Not much, i'm trying to learn
[00:58] <Scubar> i know as much unix as a goat does english
[00:58] <Taggnostr> I've a monitor with 1680x1050 but I'm running on a virtual machine so it is in a window
[00:58] <^TheCrono> I remember a desktop and the like last time.
[00:58] <Dr_willis> ^TheCrono,  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop    - installs the full kuybuntu desktop on your system
[00:58] <^TheCrono> why do i need to downlaod kde?
[00:58] <^TheCrono> i jsut got it and installed it
[00:58] <^TheCrono> kubuntu desktop
[00:58] <Taggnostr> it tried some resolution but they failes, then it asked me the user and pass without gui
[00:58] <biovore> ^TheCrono: you installed using kubuntu desktop installer CD/DVD?
[00:58] <^TheCrono> 7/10
[00:59] <^TheCrono> cd
[00:59] <^TheCrono> yes,
[00:59] <nosrednaekim> Taggnostr: this is in a vm? which VM manager?
[00:59] <^TheCrono> kubuntu-7.10-desktop-i386.iso
[00:59] <Dr_willis> ^TheCrono,  you are making very little sence..  If you  installed using the Kubuntu cd. then you have kde.
[00:59] <gtt> ugh
[00:59] <gtt> i'm having the hardest time with kde4
[00:59] <^TheCrono> KDE won't load though
[00:59] <biovore> ^TheCrono: when you booted of the CD did it find your graphics?
[00:59] <Taggnostr> virtual box, I've just installed the guest addition, reboot and the gui didn't start
[00:59] <Dr_willis> ^TheCrono,  NOW you are starting to make sence.
[00:59] <^TheCrono> No clue.
[00:59] <Scubar> thats why theres a kde4 channel
[01:00] <gtt> it forwards to #kde.. ?
[01:00] <biovore> ^TheCrono: when you put the disk in the drive and booted the CD ... did a desktop come up?
[01:00] <Dr_willis> So The newly installed system is not booting to the X login screen then? YOu are just getting a console prompt?
[01:00] <^TheCrono> no,
[01:00] <nosrednaekim> gtt: #kubuntu-kde4
[01:00] <^TheCrono> its stayed at a prompt
[01:00] <biovore> ^TheCrono: what graphics carD?
[01:00] <^TheCrono> ati radeon x1300
[01:01] <biovore> hmm should have worked..
[01:01] <^TheCrono> let me try to reboot it
[01:01] <^TheCrono> brb
[01:01] <Dr_willis> ive learned to never trust ati.  Crono ?
[01:04] <^TheCrono> yes
[01:05] <sebiz> hola
[01:05] <^TheCrono> had several options
[01:05] <biovore> the X windowing system dosn't look to have started..
[01:05] <sebiz> como estas
[01:05] <Taggnostr> nosrednaekim, when I start it there is the kubuntu logo with the progress bar, when it reachs the end appears: usplash: Setting mode 1280x1024 failed, 1152x864 failed using mode 1024x768
[01:05] <Scubar> why not just get the live cd and install it that way
[01:05] <^TheCrono> let me try again
[01:05] <^TheCrono> i thought i did
[01:05] <nosrednaekim> !usplash
[01:05] <ubotu> To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[01:05] <Scubar> well theres ur problem then
[01:05] <biovore> he got the desktop-cd.. (no command line install on that disk)
[01:05] <^TheCrono> so...what do i do?
[01:05] <Taggnostr> after that kinit: name_to_dev_t(...) kinit: trying to resume from .... kinit: no resume image, doing normal boot
[01:06] <Taggnostr> and the the login appears without gui
[01:06] <^TheCrono> there is no gui ever
[01:06] <sebiz> canal en español
[01:06] <biovore> ^TheCrono: not sure.. I wouldn't probably try farther because of your lack of unix knowledge.. you hardware probably isn't supported then.. :-(
[01:06] <^TheCrono> ive had this before
[01:06] <^TheCrono> on a crappyer system :D
[01:06] <ubuntu> hello
[01:07] <^TheCrono> i used ubuntu 5.10 last time
[01:07] <Taggnostr> nosrednaekim, should I try that command?
[01:07] <sebiz> hola
[01:07] <sebiz> canañl
[01:07] <nosrednaekim> ^TheCrono: log in and run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and follow the dialog
[01:07] <^TheCrono> if i installed 5.10..can i update it to 7.10 and get KDE?
[01:07] <sebiz> canal en
[01:07] <nosrednaekim> Taggnostr: no... take a look at that link then
[01:07] <^TheCrono> and it would be all the same i believe
[01:07] <Taggnostr> ok
[01:07] <ubuntu> I have an issue and wondering if anyone can help?
[01:07] <^TheCrono> i got like 50 5.10 CDs lol
[01:08] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: what is it
[01:08] <NickPresta> ubuntu, give us more information and we can try :)
[01:08] <Scubar> sounds like you got the alternate cd @ The Crono
[01:08] <intelikey> ubuntu don't ask to ask.  just explain what you have and what you want it to do
[01:08] <^TheCrono> no, i got the very first one in the downlaod section
[01:08] <^TheCrono> gutsy
[01:09] <ubuntu> ok, Thx nosrednaekim and nickpresta, i'm recently running kubuntu from cd and the audio drives won't register
[01:09] <^TheCrono> verey first link
[01:09] <Scubar> what size iso was it ?
[01:09] <^TheCrono> http://mirrors.gigenet.com/ubuntu/kubuntu/gutsy/
[01:09] <^TheCrono> that one, to be specific
[01:09] <^TheCrono> 697mb
[01:10] <^TheCrono> let me try that sudu command
[01:10] <Scubar> i doubt very much that it wouldnt support your x1300 card
[01:10] <ubuntu> amarok gave me a warning sign stating that 'xine couldn't detect any audio drives'
[01:10] <Taggnostr> nosrednaekim I can't understand what should I do with that link
[01:11] <BluesKaj> ^TheCrono, run the live cd again. This time open the run command : kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst . Then add this to the bottom of your gub/menu.lst: http://www.pastebin.ca/869266
[01:11] <intelikey> !sound | Ubuntu
[01:11] <ubotu> Ubuntu: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[01:11] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: do other sounds work?
[01:12] <ubuntu> thx ubotu
[01:12] <Scubar> !kiss ubotu
[01:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kiss ubotu - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:12] <ubuntu> and no, NO sound works, nosrednaekim
[01:12] <BluesKaj> oh and save it , ^TheCrono
[01:13] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: what does kmix show? anysound channels?
[01:14] <Scubar> lucky i just looked up what kdesu does
[01:14] <ubuntu> what do u mean sound channels?
[01:14] <Scubar> never knew that sudo graphical apps = bad idea
[01:14] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: any sliders?
[01:14] <ubuntu> shows master on, headphone on, pcm on, master mono on
[01:15] <ubuntu> on input tab the cd is on, and switches external amplifier is on...
[01:15] <nosrednaekim> I suggest you follow that link that intelikey(through ubotu)  gave you
[01:16] <BluesKaj> ubuntu , make sure mix is on in the switches tab
[01:16] <intelikey> BluesKaj lines 5 & 6 can cause issues in some cases.   just fyi.
[01:17] <ubuntu> ok nosrednaekim, i did open a tab to that link :)
[01:17] <BluesKaj> intelikey, his pc is very similar to mine , so i thought I'd risk it. :)
[01:17] <ubuntu> I'll try that blueskaj
[01:18] <^TheCrono> when KDe loads, the second line in the list of [OK] gives an error, but i cannot read it as it happens to fast
[01:18] <^TheCrono> on the prompt
[01:18] <Creationist> When trying to play a DVD, I keep getting errors saying "Could not read NAV packet."  What do I need to do to REfix this?   This is yet another example of something that worked one day and not the next.... grr.
[01:19] <BluesKaj> ^TheCrono, are on live cd ?
[01:19] <^TheCrono> no
[01:19] <intelikey> ^TheCrono you might still read it at    ctrl
[01:19] <^TheCrono> at what?
[01:19] <intelikey> at ctrl+alt+f8
[01:19] <^TheCrono> let me try that
[01:20] <gtt> ok
[01:20] <intelikey> ^TheCrono also dmesg may have the error message
[01:21] <basy> whitch ssh server is good for kubuntu? openssh-server?
[01:21] <intelikey> yes
[01:21] <basy>  <intelikey> "yes" for me?
[01:21] <intelikey> yes
[01:21] <basy> :P
[01:22] <^TheCrono> ctrl alt f8 took me to a blank screen
[01:22] <^TheCrono> with a blinking line
[01:22] <intelikey> hmm blank?   ok.  anyway   dmesg may still have the error message
[01:22] <^TheCrono> dmesg?
[01:23] <intelikey> yes it's a command
[01:23] <^TheCrono> jsut type dmesg
[01:23] <^TheCrono> ?
[01:23] <intelikey> you can filter the output if you like      dmesg | less
[01:23] <^TheCrono> um?
[01:23] <^TheCrono> type dmeg | less?
[01:23] <intelikey> yes
[01:23] <^TheCrono> dmesg
[01:23] <^TheCrono> ok
[01:24] <gtt> i'm planning on reinstalling a server for my home. it's mostly file sharing, media streaming, printer services, but I do like setting up ssh and X11 forwarding... was wondering if there was some wonderful service i was overlooking so that i can add it to my plan. i've been through a couple of books, but i've noticed some things they didnt consider too.
[01:24] <intelikey> ^TheCrono you do know how to switch tty's   don't you ?    ctrl+alt+f#    the gui is generally in tty7
[01:25] <intelikey> console == tty
[01:25] <^TheCrono> tty's?  H <--see that letter h?..it knows more about  unix than i do ::D
[01:25] <^TheCrono> can't i jsut install ubuntu 5.10 and update and get kde?
[01:25] <^TheCrono> i know ubuntu 5.10 works
[01:25] <ubuntu> what is a 'shell'? .. the command list?
[01:26] <sn00zer> can somebody please help me with vnc? I have realvnc on my xp box and when i try to connect from my ubuntu box it says x connection broken
[01:26] <nosrednaekim> ^TheCrono: that'd take a LONG time :)
[01:26] <intelikey> ubuntu a shell is a command intrupreter   like the ms command.com
[01:26] <intelikey> well sorta like
[01:26] <intelikey> well really not much like  but far better.
[01:27] <nosrednaekim> lol
[01:27] <ubuntu> can't I type a command in konquerer?
[01:27] <nosrednaekim> nope
[01:27] <^TheCrono> why would it take a long time?
[01:27] <biovore> konqueror isn't a shell
[01:27] <ubuntu> ok lol
[01:27] <intelikey> ubuntu with the terminal eumlator feature of konq   yes.
[01:27] <nosrednaekim> ^TheCrono: because you would have to go through 4 versions to get to gutsy
[01:27] <^TheCrono> i'm nto sure it installed..i click install..it laods the kernal..kubuntu sign comes up with a blue bar..then  a command prompt
[01:28] <biovore> yeah.. not installed
[01:28] <^TheCrono> nothing else happens
[01:28] <^TheCrono> maby that is the problem?
[01:28] <ubuntu> ah ok intelikey, I knew I heard something like that before
[01:29] <intelikey> ubuntu you can look in the konq menus and enable the "terminal emulator" if you like.
[01:29]  * intelikey recons it's still there...
[01:29] <biovore> alt-f2 -- konsole :-P
[01:30] <intelikey> biovore doesn't kde have a default hot key to open a terminal too
[01:30] <^TheCrono> so is there a command i can use to install kbuntu?
[01:30] <biovore> intelikey: no clue..
[01:30] <biovore> ^TheCrono: well its more like 1000 commands if you where to atempt to do it.. probably better of with the alternate installer and manualy configure X.
[01:30] <intelikey> ^TheCrono if you have the alternate install CD   else the dvd   if neither of them. then no.
[01:31] <ubuntu> I'll see about that intelikey
[01:31] <^TheCrono> so, i need to instal ubuntu 5.10 and update?
[01:31] <intelikey> ^TheCrono does the live CD  boot and run kde for you ?
[01:31] <^TheCrono> i don't have live cd
[01:32] <intelikey> yeah you do.   http://mirrors.gigenet.com/ubuntu/kubuntu/gutsy/   that's what you said you got.
[01:33] <^TheCrono> yeah, it gives me a text based menu
[01:33] <intelikey> does it boot and run kde for you ?
[01:33] <^TheCrono> no
[01:33] <intelikey> ???
[01:33] <^TheCrono> it  goes to a menu with 5 or 7 options
[01:33]  * intelikey </blinks>
[01:33] <intelikey> one of which is install ubuntu ?
[01:33] <nosrednaekim> ummm is one of those options "start or install kubuntu"
[01:33] <intelikey> one is safe graphics mode ?
[01:33] <^TheCrono> start / install kde   start kde graphics safemode thing    check memory     oem     boot form hard disk
[01:34] <mia> can some one help with this--"he APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem."
[01:34] <mia> I"M STUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!
[01:34] <nosrednaekim> mia: did you run those?
[01:34] <intelikey> ^TheCrono ok  and you select safe graphics mode and it does what ?
[01:34] <mia> how?
[01:34] <^TheCrono> haven't tried, heh, one sec
[01:35] <intelikey> !adeptcrash | mia
[01:35] <ubotu> mia: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[01:36] <mia> got a error message - "could not run the specified command"
[01:37] <mia>  a friend and I tried all last evening to correct the problem and it hasn't been corrected.  something tells me I may have to reload everything.
[01:37] <mia> joy
[01:38] <intelikey> did you try the commands that the error message spit out ?
[01:38] <mia> yes
[01:38] <mia> nothing
[01:38] <ubuntu_> hey
[01:38] <intelikey> sudo apt-setup ;sudo apt-get update
[01:38] <ubuntu_> it worked
[01:38] <theCronoWorks> but, its running off the cd, so tis slow
[01:38] <theCronoWorks> and it gave me an error..cannot find io slave
[01:38] <intelikey> and you see the installer icon
[01:38] <mia> says "command not found"
[01:39] <theCronoWorks> @me intel?
[01:39] <intelikey> yes theCronoWorks
[01:39] <theCronoWorks> where would this icon be? desktop?
[01:39] <intelikey> desktop
[01:39] <theCronoWorks> got it
[01:39] <mia> also "E: Line 2 too long in source list/etc/apt/sources.list"
[01:39] <intelikey> good luck with it. theCronoWorks
[01:40] <raj_> i installed 96xx driver on my toshiba m10 laptop and now i cant see anything on my screen ... it sis the correct driver but i cant see anything on my screen .. i tried to change the resolution on my desktop using the termina root > video .. no luck ANY HELP would be appreciated
[01:40] <intelikey> mia then you obviously have an error there.   lets see about rebuilding the sources.list file shall we ?
[01:40] <theCronoWorks> i'll be here to asks another question in 5 minutes don't worry
[01:40] <intelikey> !source-o-matic
[01:40] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[01:41] <raj_> i installed 96xx driver on my toshiba m10 laptop and now i cant see anything on my screen ... it sis the correct driver but i cant see anything on my screen .. i tried to change the resolution on my desktop using the termina root > video .. no luck ANY HELP would be appreciated
[01:41] <intelikey> mia see ubotu above  ^
[01:42] <intelikey> raj_   ctrl+alt+plus_sign
[01:42] <mia> ubotu the website is not in english
[01:43] <theCronoWorks> in roder to make 4 partitions without reformatting them i need manual don't i?
[01:43] <theCronoWorks> ok, heres the scary part
[01:43] <intelikey> raj_ see if it's just a wac rez   if so you can edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf and fix it.  if not i'd sujest reconfiguring the thing.   maybe even use the vesa driver to trouble shoot.
[01:43] <nosrednaekim> theCronoWorks: yes
[01:44] <mia> arghhhhhhhhhhhhh
[01:44] <LjL> mia, intelikey, source-o-matic is gone. use the Software Sources application
[01:44] <intelikey> LjL walk him through it.
[01:44] <genii> LjL: Gone gone forever-like?
[01:45] <theCronoWorks> i need 4 partions, 1 20GB for windows and a bit of data, 1 2gb swap file, 1 6gb ext system/linux, and 1 /home at 50gb....without loosing the stuff on the HD i have now [i have a folder i need, too big for Cd ior dvd]....can anyone walk me through this part? heh
[01:45] <LjL> genii: seems so
[01:45] <genii> Damn
[01:45] <LjL> intelikey, i'd rather walk through editing sources.list manually to be honset
[01:45] <theCronoWorks> I seiously cannot loose this file.
[01:45] <regeya> partitioning on yuour own isn't so scary theCronoWorks
[01:45] <theCronoWorks> and don't wanna screw up.
[01:45] <mia> i'm a born and bred Windows person trying to learn something new
[01:45] <mia> and I'm not having very good luck with it
[01:46] <LjL> mia, can you summarize the problem for me?
[01:46] <intelikey> theCronoWorks how big are we talking ?
[01:46] <mia> my adept doesn't work
[01:46] <theCronoWorks> 80gb hard
[01:46] <mia> I can't get into my program files
[01:46] <theCronoWorks> i posted the 4 partions
[01:46] <intelikey> no the file you "must keep"
[01:46] <theCronoWorks> oh
[01:46] <theCronoWorks> its a fodler, its like..8gb
[01:46] <theCronoWorks> all i gto are cdrws
[01:46] <theCronoWorks> so yeah
[01:47] <theCronoWorks> i need that 8gb on my /home partition
[01:47] <intelikey> ok and it's where now ?
[01:47] <LjL> mia, ok, that's not a very useful summary so i'll ask you to do some things you were probably already asked to try. close Adept, and type « sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console. pastebin the output.
[01:47] <theCronoWorks> its on my HD which is in one partition
[01:47] <raj_> intelikey thx 1 sec
[01:47] <mia> you lost me at pastebin the output
[01:47] <mia> the language is so new to me
[01:48] <intelikey> single partition will make that difficult.  if you can resize that partition down to the 20g size you are good to go  if not then we have work to do.
[01:48] <theCronoWorks> i want to resize it..but will it damage the data on it?
[01:48] <theCronoWorks> theres 50gb free on it
[01:48] <mia> "E: Invalid operation dis-update"
[01:49] <intelikey> theCronoWorks if you are asking me to promice that you or the program will neither one make a mistake.  then you have already made one.
[01:49] <theCronoWorks> the only thing i want is the windows installation and my'transfer'folder which has all the stuff i need
[01:49] <theCronoWorks> lol
[01:49] <theCronoWorks> i can survive without the data, but i want to be sure
[01:50] <theCronoWorks> if i loose it i loose it, oh wells heh
[01:50] <theCronoWorks> but id like to save if by all means
[01:50] <LjL> !pastebin | mia
[01:50] <ubotu> mia: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[01:50] <intelikey> theCronoWorks the partitioning step of the installer is supposed to let you resize the partition    see what it says   if it says it can.... we'll go from there   if not we'll do something else.
[01:50] <LjL> mia: dist-upgrade, not dis-upgrade. why don't you just copy and paste what i give you?
[01:51] <theCronoWorks> ok, for the windows 20 gb partitiion...it needs to be ntfs obviously..what do i point it to?
[01:51] <BluesKaj> theCronoWorks, there's no reason to lose any data on the windows partition
[01:51] <mia> ummmmmmm
[01:51] <theCronoWorks> i clicked edit partion on the main one
[01:51] <mia> I did
[01:51] <intelikey> theCronoWorks have you started the installer yet ?
[01:51] <mia> thanks for the help
[01:51] <theCronoWorks> yes, i'm at partition window
[01:51] <theCronoWorks> "prepare partitions"
[01:52] <intelikey> yes resize it   grab the end and drag it down toward the start
[01:52] <theCronoWorks> it shows two fo them..one is 79990mb and one is 8mb [wtf 8mb partition?]
[01:52] <theCronoWorks> are you serious..grab and drag?
[01:52] <BluesKaj> does the partition editor show the the data portion of the partition
[01:52] <BluesKaj> ?
[01:52] <theCronoWorks> it has two boxes ontop
[01:52] <raj_> i installed 96xx driver on my toshiba m10 laptop and now i cant see anything on my screen ... it sis the correct driver but i cant see anything on my screen .. i tried to change the resolution on my desktop using the termina root > video .. no luck ANY HELP would be appreciated
[01:52] <raj_> no luck
[01:52] <theCronoWorks> if that's what you mean
[01:53] <theCronoWorks> oens pink one is yellow
[01:53] <theCronoWorks> one says sda1 and oen says free
[01:53] <intelikey> theCronoWorks i mean click that and say resize then in that window grab and drag  yes.
[01:53] <theCronoWorks> i can't drag it
[01:54] <jimmy51> could someone help me with some bugreport etiquette?  i've never submitted one and don't want to waste people's time or make them mad
[01:54] <theCronoWorks> Says i need to specify a partition for the root system
[01:54] <intelikey> only the end is a handle.   but also you can try the size box below it
[01:54] <theCronoWorks> no resize options or anything, jsut edit/delete
[01:54] <LjL> mia, so can you pastebin the thing?
[01:54] <andresj> Hello, does anybody know what should I install to be able to change Gnome theme? (I use a couple of GTK apps)
[01:54] <intelikey> don't delete.
[01:55] <theCronoWorks> its step 4 of 6 btw
[01:55] <intelikey> theCronoWorks take your time study all the application in front of you carefully.  familearize your self with it.   explore it.
[01:55] <theCronoWorks> ohmy
[01:56] <theCronoWorks> well, i don't think we have to worry now
[01:56] <LjL> andresj, GTK apps should normally use the GTK->Qt engine by default, therefore ideally looking just like KDE apps. try Appearence / GTK Styles in the system settings.
[01:56] <intelikey> if you have not "applied changes" dont.
[01:56] <theCronoWorks> i hit undo..whew..i accedently hit delete
[01:56] <theCronoWorks> then i hit undo and it came back
[01:56] <intelikey> it's safer than you think
[01:56] <intelikey> you can bail out
[01:57] <andresj> LjL, I use KDE4.
[01:57] <theCronoWorks> i can edit the partition..but what filesystem do i use?
[01:57] <intelikey> it hasn't actually writen anything to disk   until you tell it to apply changes
[01:57] <LjL> andresj: in that case you should probably ask in #kubuntu-kde4 (see /topic)
[01:57] <theCronoWorks> root would be ext3 correct?
[01:57] <intelikey> don't change the partition type  just resize it down
[01:58] <theCronoWorks> i can't
[01:58] <andresj> LjL, already asked :) I thought people here would know, though. As it is not a KDE4-specific issue...
[01:58] <theCronoWorks> you mean yb resizeing the boxes above the list right?
[01:58] <intelikey> theCronoWorks ok you need to back out of there and boot windows.   disable pagefile/vertual memory   and then defrag it
[01:58] <LjL> andresj, well, it can be, since KDE 3 *does* provide a KDE way to set up GTK styles.
[01:59] <theCronoWorks> hrm, how do i disable pagefile/virtual memory?
[01:59] <intelikey> theCronoWorks then you should be able to resize it
[01:59]  * intelikey does not do windows
[01:59] <LjL> theCronoWorks: why would you do that?
[01:59] <theCronoWorks> never done that before
[01:59] <theCronoWorks> intel toldme to :D
[01:59] <intelikey> LjL to resize an ntfs partition.
[01:59] <LjL> ah, the Windows swap.
[01:59] <intelikey> he needs it defraged
[02:00] <andresj> LjL, that's true :)
[02:00] <theCronoWorks> ive not defraged sence maby...1998 lol
[02:00] <LjL> intelikey: right click on My Computer, Properties, Advanced, Resources (?), deactivate virtual memory
[02:00] <theCronoWorks> ok
[02:00] <LjL> intelikey: of course that wasn't for you
[02:00] <regeya> heh theCronoWorks
[02:00] <intelikey> theCronoWorks if none of these guys will tell you how to disable vertual memory in windows there is always  ##windows
[02:01] <theCronoWorks> heh
[02:01] <jimmy51> Well, hopefully I did this right:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/185217
[02:01] <intelikey> theCronoWorks ah see ljl
[02:01] <jimmy51> Does that look like a reasonable backport request?
[02:01] <regeya> as long as you keep a reasonable amount of free space on your volumes, fragmentation shouldn't be a big issue on any modern filesystems (including ntfs), true
[02:01] <theCronoWorks> let me see about deactivating it, then i'll try...defrag will take years
[02:01] <theCronoWorks> well,i'm using 30 out of 80 gb
[02:01] <theCronoWorks> right now
[02:01] <intelikey> theCronoWorks if you really want to save that data,  i don't know another way.
[02:02] <theCronoWorks> well, brb
[02:02] <mia> Oh I GIVE UP!
[02:02] <intelikey> and you should dump all the junk you can to make it less than 20g
[02:03] <regeya> I've got a machine at work that's running as a netatalk server (for a mixed group of Macs running everything from OS 8.6 to 10.5) and I'm running into tail fragmentation issues...I have to leave tail packing on on reiser, though, because resource forks are saved in a separate file; when I went ext3 -> reiser3, I recovered 20GB of space, it's true.
[02:03] <LjL> jimmy51, the steps to follow for a backports request are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports#head-37a793d5ee480081f1c9f19e07fcdcdae5e6a9ed
[02:05] <^theCronoAFK> where was it again?
[02:05] <intelikey> LjL <^theCronoAFK> where was it again?
 intelikey: right click on My Computer, Properties, Advanced, Resources (?), deactivate virtual memory  <<<< that i think.
[02:07] <intelikey> but my log file is way too big.  8m of irc log is too much
[02:07] <LjL> 8MB? mwahah
[02:07] <^theCronoAFK> don't have resources :D..winxp[
[02:07] <^theCronoAFK> i have an 18mb log file btw
[02:07] <intelikey> LjL i don't log over a weak at a time
[02:07] <LjL> ^theCronoAFK: well then it's called something else. that's why i put a question mark there. there are three buttons - it's one of those three.
[02:08] <LjL> @ljlhead:~/.muh$ du -h       2.1G    .
[02:08] <^theCronoAFK> under virtual memory.. 'no paging file' should be it right?
[02:08] <intelikey> yep
[02:08] <intelikey> it should warn you that it's a bad idea.  :)
[02:09] <^theCronoAFK> it didn't lol
[02:09] <intelikey> the only time i had to play with that it did...
[02:09] <^theCronoAFK> defrag might take awhile
[02:09] <^theCronoAFK> think defrag is nessicary?
[02:09] <intelikey> it probably will.  but someone will still be here.
[02:10] <intelikey> yes it is absolutely nessicary
[02:10] <intelikey> that's why you couldn't resize it while ago
[02:10] <^theCronoAFK> well,its been a minute..still at 1%..how long will you guys be around? lol
[02:11]  * intelikey awaits the 325 answers to that......
[02:11] <^theCronoAFK> i wonder if it would be faster to burn my files onto a cd then reformat
[02:11] <intelikey> possably.
[02:11] <^theCronoAFK> time to pick and choose what i REEEALY want
[02:11] <intelikey> thought you didn't have the disks for that ?
[02:12] <^theCronoAFK> i do, but it would be like 12 disks lol
[02:12]  * intelikey scrolls up.... if this guy proves to be a liar he's on his own.
[02:12] <ubuntu> Does kubuntu use Hg?
[02:12] <^theCronoAFK> lol
[02:12] <^theCronoAFK> i got like...7-8 cds
[02:13] <^theCronoAFK> the fiels are about 8.5gb
[02:13] <^theCronoAFK> disks are 700mb
[02:13] <trophyhead> hi all : )  I recently bought a 2.0 usb card, just wondering how do I know if its working?, my webcams cheap so didnt seem to improve resolution,any help greatly appreciated : )   also is there a defrag or cleanup disk program in kubuntu?
[02:13] <^theCronoAFK> thouhg, defrag just jumped to 3%
[02:14] <^theCronoAFK> i don'tthink defrag stays at a constant speed, after the first 30% it may fly to 100
[02:15] <intelikey> trophyhead why not just use the one in windows ?
[02:16] <intelikey> trophyhead you were talking about defragging a windows file system weren't you ?
[02:16] <trophyhead> is it included in the kubuntu package?
[02:18] <intelikey> !defrag
[02:18] <ubotu> The default Ubuntu filesystem (ext3) is engineered to avoid fragmentation issues in most cases, see http://linkpot.net/behead/ for a simple example on how it achieves this. A package "defrag" is available in !Universe, however its use is not safe, and is generally not needed.
[02:18] <intelikey> trophyhead ^
[02:18] <intelikey> !virus | trophyhead see this one too
[02:18] <ubotu> trophyhead see this one too: A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[02:21] <trophyhead> ok so I take it with kubuntu files dont pile up over time, good, just thought my puter would get slower & slower, filled with stuff I browsed at & deleted, thx : )
[02:21] <^theCronoAFK> hrm,2.9gb music
[02:21] <^theCronoAFK> and most of it is my own
[02:21] <^theCronoAFK> 2gb of it probably...i need that
[02:21] <intelikey> trophyhead welcome
[02:22] <^theCronoAFK> what os or environment has it where there is no bar on the bottom but 5 orbs on top of the screen?
[02:22] <^theCronoAFK> i seen that and thought it look kinda cool
[02:23] <^theCronoAFK> but dujnno what os/environment it was, i am sure it was linux though
[02:23] <intelikey> sounds like a theme
[02:23] <steveny> hello! can someone take a peek at my USB problem please....I would love to have my mouse and such http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53111/
[02:23] <regeya> ^theCronoAFK: link?
[02:23] <^theCronoAFK> hrm, let me look
[02:26] <intelikey> steveny looks like you have a 1.1 and a 2.0 hub there.   what exactly is not working ?
[02:26] <^theCronoAFK> can'tfind it anymore
[02:27] <ubuntu_> Hey, can anyone help me?
[02:27] <regeya> wow, steveny, that sounds a lot mroe serious than my wife's acpi fan problem...hey, are you gobucks747?
[02:27] <Dr_willis> depends on the problem ubuntu_
[02:27] <Dr_willis> You might wnt to pick a better nick also ubuntu_
[02:27] <intelikey> ubuntu_ yes.   it's down the hall on the left,   and please flush when finished
[02:28] <ubuntu_> Well, I have two problems. One, my kde panel has vanished permenently. So, I deleted the .kde config folder in my home directory. Now, I cant even log in becauase of an error about a dcon server or something isn't working.
[02:29] <regeya> yyeah...steveny, it looks like your usb ports are detected!
[02:29] <regeya> dcom...
[02:29] <steveny> well....I was....a few installs ago:(
[02:29] <^theCronoAFK> does KDE have any drastic gui changes/themes?
[02:29] <ubuntu_> My second problem is that the 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' command, says X cant detect my ati card.
[02:29] <ubuntu_> And no, all i did was change the background
[02:30] <regeya> heh steveny
[02:30] <regeya> :-(
[02:30] <ubuntu_> and installed that overhead command line thingy, like yakuaga or something.
[02:31] <^theCronoAFK> it would be nice to use somethign that doesn't have a button in the bottom left with a popup menu
[02:31] <ubuntu_> So?
[02:31] <^theCronoAFK> like, have the start vbutton in the dead center of the screen...and tis all red and says 'start'
[02:31] <steveny> once my usb ports see my stuff, I'll be a happy camper:) ...but everyone seems to be stumped:(
[02:31] <^theCronoAFK> and a orbit menu comes out
[02:31] <^theCronoAFK> like in nwn
[02:31] <intelikey> ^theCronoAFK you can change that.   or use something else.   i like blackbox personally   with no bars
[02:31] <Dragnslcr> ^theCronoAFK- you can move the KMenu to anywhere you like in the taskbar
[02:32] <ubuntu_> So, am I just sol then?
[02:32] <^theCronoAFK> yeah i know that, but orbit menus would be cool nonetheless
[02:32] <intelikey> Dragnslcr or remove it.
[02:33] <intelikey> have the middle click do something besides paste... like display the menu
[02:33] <ubuntu_> Ack, can anyone help me or not? :P
[02:34] <intelikey> ubuntu_   alt+f2   type in "kicker"
[02:34] <ubuntu_> okay? Thats it?
[02:34] <^theCronoAFK> start emnu as the middle button?..nice
[02:34] <^theCronoAFK> menu*
[02:34] <intelikey> ubuntu_ i can point you at the bot like   but that's all i can do with ati.   you could use vesa until you get ati streightened out.
[02:35] <^theCronoAFK> i like when people get on my pc to..you know..rbowse or something, and they are like 'o,O'
[02:35] <intelikey> !ati | ubuntu_
[02:35] <ubotu> ubuntu_: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:35] <ubuntu_> al right, well thanks anyway.
[02:35] <^theCronoAFK> but it seems at kde-look..its all the same layout..just diffrent colors and pictures
[02:35] <intelikey> but the kicker is the easy one.  ubuntu_
[02:36] <ubuntu_> Ooh, before I forget, does anyone have any reccomendations for a FPS?
[02:36] <^theCronoAFK> half-life 2
[02:36] <^theCronoAFK> doom 2
[02:36] <^theCronoAFK> unreal
[02:36] <ubuntu_> I was thinking specifically for linux, but thanks.
[02:36] <^theCronoAFK> allof thsoe work on linux
[02:36] <^theCronoAFK> half-life 2 runs perfectly on wine
[02:36] <^theCronoAFK> unreal has a linux install iirc
[02:37] <ubuntu_> Without wine, and something not from unreal. I have plently of iwndows games and I own all the UT
[02:37] <^theCronoAFK> install;er*
[02:37] <trophyhead> <--has a simple usb issue, I bought & installed a 2.0 card, I know it's working when cam is ok, but how do I find out if the system didn't read them as just extra usb ports, (1.0)'s
[02:37] <^theCronoAFK> i used to map for unreal,also, you can get doom 2 and use a linux port, zdeeom is linux i believe
[02:37] <intelikey> !tome
[02:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tome - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:37] <intelikey> !game
[02:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about game - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:37] <intelikey> they keep removing useful information
[02:38] <^theCronoAFK> i thinkw ere supposed to be in #kubuntu-offtopic though
[02:38] <^theCronoAFK> ever played never winter nights intel?
[02:38] <intelikey> not a gamer
[02:38] <^theCronoAFK> oh ok
[02:38] <intelikey> short answer, no.
[02:39] <moparisthebest> kmix shows 2 audio devices, how do I set one to default?
[02:39] <^theCronoAFK> they had a nice menu system..you would right click, an a ring would appear around your mouse with diffrent things, and you would click on an item in the ring and it would replace the old one with a new one
[02:39] <Taggnostr> do I have to do something in the shell in order to see the cd? mount or things like that?
[02:39] <^theCronoAFK> i wonder if that can be done in kubuntu
[02:39] <intelikey> and the few games i have played are stratagy turn based   i like to think,  not fight.
[02:40] <moparisthebest> Taggnostr, an icon should appear on your desktop when you put a cd in
[02:40] <^theCronoAFK> wesnoth?
[02:40] <intelikey> yeah   it has potential.  but needs writers
[02:40] <trophyhead> i just play the ones that came with kubuntu (tremulos, sauerbraten..etc....
[02:40] <Taggnostr> moparisthebest actually x doesn't work, I've to copy some file from the cd but I don't know how can access it
[02:40] <intelikey> too one dimentional really
[02:40] <moparisthebest> oh, in that case use mount Taggnostr
[02:40] <^theCronoAFK> i play snes and 64 emulators alot recently
[02:41] <Taggnostr> what is the syntax?
[02:41] <^theCronoAFK> and i will soon get simcity 4
[02:41] <moparisthebest> Taggnostr, mount myiso.iso /mnt/iso/ -t iso9660 -o ro,loop=/dev/loop0
[02:41] <moparisthebest> make sure /mnt/iso is a directory
[02:41] <moparisthebest> you can mount it to whatever directory you like
[02:41] <intelikey> Taggnostr    sudo mount <device> <mountpoint>
[02:41] <Taggnostr> could I mount in /tmp too?
[02:41] <^theCronoAFK> defrag is at 5% compression at 28...i'll prolly jsut reformat everything
[02:42] <moparisthebest> I don't see why, its not going to take up harddrive space or anything
[02:42] <^theCronoAFK> alot of the stuff i am saving..i already have
[02:42] <^theCronoAFK> on cd
[02:42] <intelikey> Taggnostr you can find the device with either of    sudo fdisk -l    or  cat /proc/partitions      and the mountpoint is an empty dir   normally /mnt
[02:42] <moparisthebest> but /tmp may have things, so you would probably have to mount it in a folder in temp
[02:42] <intelikey> you can make a dir if needed.
[02:43] <intelikey> Taggnostr you can mount to any dir  and if you mount to /tmp what ever you mount there may aquire some odd temporary files....
[02:43] <intelikey> i sujest using  /mnt  that's what it's for
[02:43] <Taggnostr> I just want to avoid to create and then delete a folder
[02:43] <Taggnostr> ok
[02:44] <Taggnostr> so sudo mount my.iso /mnt ?
[02:44] <genii> mount -o loop isoname.iso /mountplace
[02:44] <intelikey> yes   but if it's an iso you'll need to add an argument.   -o loop
[02:45] <Taggnostr> uhm it can't find the iso
[02:46] <intelikey> find / -iname *.iso
[02:46] <Taggnostr> I'm in a virtual machine, the iso should be the one with the guest additions
[02:50] <Taggnostr> is there a way to find it?
[02:50] <ubuntu_> hola
[02:52] <intelikey> Taggnostr  ^
[02:52] <Taggnostr> with find I can't find it
[02:53] <Taggnostr> is there a way to stop it while it shows the result?
[02:53] <intelikey> is there a way to make dosemu not mess on the asc2 charset ?
[02:53] <intelikey> Taggnostr ?  pipe it through less
[02:53] <intelikey>          | less
[02:54] <Taggnostr> it seems the same
[02:54] <moparisthebest> is it because you get no results?
[02:55] <Taggnostr> I get find: ....: Permission denied for about 2/3 pages
[02:55] <Taggnostr> and I can't see any *.iso
[02:55] <intelikey> example of the dosemu issue    "#"  should have been a dubble vertical
[02:56] <intelikey> Taggnostr sudo it and the errors will go away  but that's not likely to help.  cause if it didn't find it then it probably isn't there.
[02:57] <Taggnostr> with sudo nothing appears
[02:57] <intelikey> and "I"  should have been the single virtical
[02:57] <intelikey> Taggnostr that's what i said.
[02:57] <Taggnostr> uhm
[02:58] <intelikey> mount your other file system where you can access it  then find the iso and copy it or just mount it in place...
[02:59] <Taggnostr> the problem is that I'm inside the virtual machine
[02:59] <intelikey> and the fs is not accessable to you ?
[02:59]  * intelikey confesses ignorance of mvware
[02:59] <intelikey> vmware even
[03:00] <Taggnostr> I mount the guest additions from the menu of the vm, I don't know if and where there is a file with the additions and how can I put them inside the vm
[03:01] <intelikey> i would install vmware  but it would taint my kernel and break my gpl...
[03:01]  * BluesKaj suggests dual booting ...vmware is a PITA mostly
[03:02] <^theCronoAFK> what is vmware?
[03:02] <Taggnostr> I'm using vbox actually
[03:02] <intelikey> virtual machine ware
[03:02] <BluesKaj> !vmware
[03:02] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player", not available for Gutsy, only Feisty and Edgy), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. Instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[03:02] <^theCronoAFK> what is virtual machine?
[03:02] <^theCronoAFK> oh
[03:03] <BluesKaj> sacktime ..nite folks
[03:04] <intelikey> anyone use   isdnvbox ?
[03:04] <intelikey> or any answering machine in linux for that matter ?
[03:05] <^theCronoAFK> you mean like a phone answering machine?
[03:05] <intelikey> yes
[03:05] <^theCronoAFK> lol no
[03:05]  * intelikey didn't expect that ^theCronoAFK did...
[03:06] <moparisthebest> how would I configure what device the keyboard volume buttons control?
[03:06] <moparisthebest> it shows up as muting, or turning up or down, but the volume doesnt change
[03:07] <intelikey> !mediakeys | moparisthebest
[03:07] <ubotu> moparisthebest: keyboard shortcuts can be set in K -> System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse. Try also "Input Actions" in KControl. If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try the 'keytouch' package, explained at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEMultimediaKeys - See !Keyboard for changing layouts
[03:07] <Taggnostr> I've found the problem
[03:07] <^theCronoAFK> why is it Kcontrol and not just Kontrol?
[03:07] <Taggnostr> vbox mount the iso as a cdrom so mount /cdrom /mnt is enough
[03:08] <intelikey> ^theCronoAFK because it's not system configuration tool it's kde configuration tool  thus k control
[03:10] <don_> can I run ati 3d drivers on ubuntu?
[03:10] <moparisthebest> yes
[03:10] <intelikey> !nv | don
[03:10] <ubotu> don: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:10] <don_> I thought so
[03:10] <don_> thanks
[03:12] <intelikey> ^theCronoAFK the gnome counter part is   gnome control center     why gnome    same reason.
[03:14] <moparisthebest> intelikey, about the mediakeys thing, I looked in all of those places and nothing is set, however some program is listening for those keys because it says things like 'mute on' and 'mute off'
[03:14] <moparisthebest> so how do I know what is causing that?
[03:15] <intelikey> moparisthebest got me.   khotkeys maybe ?
[03:15] <moparisthebest> it was already set up from the base install :/
[03:15]  * intelikey has 101key  so can't test.
[03:16] <moparisthebest> if I remember right, it worked in feisty and broke on the upgrade...
[03:16] <intelikey> moparisthebest ummm yeah look in the /etc/init.d/ dir and see about laptop_mode or laptopkeys  or something
[03:16] <moparisthebest> but ill see what happens :)
[03:16] <moparisthebest> ok
[03:17] <intelikey> i do recall a script that setup some keys there
[03:17] <^theCronoAFK> OH
[03:17] <moparisthebest> there is a laptop_mode, ill have a look
[03:17] <^theCronoAFK> the 6gb ext system/linux is for linux
[03:17] <^theCronoAFK> and the 50gb partition is for data
[03:17] <^theCronoAFK> keep the OS diffrent from the data
[03:18] <^theCronoAFK> what file system do i need for the linux parition and the data partuition?
[03:18] <^theCronoAFK> est 3 on both?
[03:18] <intelikey> ^theCronoAFK yeah   and the data is mounted on /home and is ext3 fs
[03:18] <^theCronoAFK> ext3
[03:18] <^theCronoAFK> both are ext3?
[03:18] <intelikey> both ext3 yes
[03:18] <^theCronoAFK> what do the point to?
[03:18] <^theCronoAFK> there was a point to option
[03:19] <^theCronoAFK> when editing a partition
[03:19] <intelikey> got me.  i don't recall a "point to" option
[03:19] <^theCronoAFK> i'ma leave the 20gb parition free for no, only if i need to install windows will i use it
[03:20] <^theCronoAFK> there is two options in the edit menu
[03:20] <^theCronoAFK> only
[03:20] <^theCronoAFK> 2
[03:20] <^theCronoAFK> one says 'for: and one says 'point to:
[03:20] <^theCronoAFK> under for: it says ext3 ext 2 etc etc
[03:21] <^theCronoAFK> under point to it said i think /mac /windows /home
[03:21] <^theCronoAFK> or something
[03:21] <^theCronoAFK> music is done compressing :D..that's the bulk i think of it
[03:21] <intelikey> heh  ok  the "for" is the file system type  and the "point to"   is the mount point.   so ext3  home
[03:21] <intelikey> that's the 50g
[03:21] <^theCronoAFK> both are ext3 home?
[03:22] <david> whats the konsole code for installing the latest version of Pidgin?
[03:22] <intelikey> ext3 / is the smaller system fs
[03:22] <intelikey> ^theCronoAFK not both /home  but both ext3  one is / the other /home
[03:23] <^theCronoAFK> hrm 716,000kb won't fit on a 700mb disk will it?
[03:23]  * intelikey wonders who wrote ubiquity
[03:23] <^theCronoAFK> 716,800kb*
[03:23] <^theCronoAFK> i think i may jsut dleete the music also, lol
[03:23] <intelikey> ^theCronoAFK not without over burning and that's not always a good idea
[03:23] <^theCronoAFK> well, i told winrar to put them into 700mb cd parts
[03:24] <^theCronoAFK> it gave me 4 files, 3 are 716.800kb
[03:24] <^theCronoAFK> the other is 600 something'
[03:24] <^theCronoAFK> 337mb actually
[03:24]  * intelikey wonders why you didn't just put the mp3 on disk  rather than rar'ing them
[03:25] <intelikey> mp3 is already compressed
[03:25] <^theCronoAFK> i would need mroe disks?
[03:25] <^theCronoAFK> oh
[03:25] <^theCronoAFK> your right
[03:25] <^theCronoAFK> :D
[03:25] <moparisthebest> laptop_mode just sets up power-saving related options intelikey
[03:26] <moparisthebest> ill figure it out eventually im sure :)
[03:26] <genii> depending on how your cd manufacturer measures mb it may or may not fit. 1024*1024*700 for instance or 1024*1000*700 or just 1000*1000*700
[03:26] <intelikey> moparisthebest umm k   but one of the scripts was for keys
[03:27] <intelikey> .... /etc/init.d/keymap.sh    but there is another
[03:27] <^theCronoAFK> well, two more files to compress, then i can start the reformat process
[03:27] <intelikey> found it.   /etc/init.d/hotkey-setup
[03:28] <moparisthebest> yep, found it about 2 seconds before you did, thanks :)
[03:28] <moparisthebest> now if I can just track down what mine does
[03:29] <intelikey> i also have  /etc/init.d/winkeys.sh   but you probably don't have that one.
[03:29] <^theCronoAFK> the fiels fit exactly onto the cd
[03:29] <^theCronoAFK> burnign and compressing at the same time..compressing twice actually
[03:29] <^theCronoAFK> :D
[03:33] <intelikey> echo 'keycode 125 = Decr_Console' | loadkeys # the [l-logo] key to decrease
[03:33] <ubuntu> omg I hear sounds!
[03:33] <intelikey> is there a ringing in your ear ?
[03:33] <^theCronoAFK> Lol
[03:33] <ubuntu> gosh I hope its not my ears
[03:33] <intelikey> :)
[03:34] <ubuntu> i'm hoping its my laptop :)
[03:34] <intelikey> break glass and you'll know
[03:34] <intelikey> :)
[03:34] <user121> hay anyone had any trouble installing apps lately?
[03:34] <^theCronoAFK> So in essence, after i get kubuntu installed, via graphical safemode..how do i fix it to work in normal mode?
[03:35] <ubuntu> I dont want to get cut thx :P
[03:35] <user121> I am new to KDE and everytime I try to install something or update I get an error message about thing being broken
[03:35] <^theCronoAFK> what are you trying to install?
[03:35] <^theCronoAFK> windows programs?
[03:35] <user121> anything at this point.   like the KDE themem manager
[03:35] <^theCronoAFK> oh
[03:35] <user121> no, not windows apps
[03:35] <intelikey> ^theCronoAFK install and setup the propritary driver for your vidio card,   but use the vesa driver until you do that.
[03:36] <^theCronoAFK> what error?
[03:36] <^theCronoAFK> you eman restricted driver intel?
[03:36] <user121> no, I am not using restricted drivers
[03:36] <genii> user121: The exact error msg would be helpful
[03:36] <t00na> Helloes!
[03:36] <intelikey> it's only restricted because it's propritary non-free closed source.
[03:36] <^theCronoAFK> that was @ intel , user121
[03:36] <user121> error commiting changes
[03:36] <t00na> I notice via Adept that I have AppArmor installed.
[03:37] <t00na> Great!
[03:37] <t00na> But how do I use it?
[03:37] <moparisthebest> here is the next question intelikey :)
[03:37] <moparisthebest> that file sets keycodes like this
[03:37] <moparisthebest> setkeycodes	6f	$KEY_MUTE
[03:37] <^theCronoAFK> not that i really care..but..isd it legal to use restricted stuff on linux?
[03:37] <moparisthebest> but I need to know what handles $KEY_MUTE
[03:37] <t00na> ^theCronoAFK: what kind of restricted stuff?
[03:37] <t00na> Like, drivers?
[03:38] <intelikey> user121 konsole command# sudo apt-get install -f
[03:38] <^theCronoAFK> yeah, liek ati/mp3 drivers
[03:38] <moparisthebest> its legal ^theCronoAFK, unless you are in the USA and try to play a DVD :rolleyes:
[03:38] <t00na> ATI drivers are perfectly legal.
[03:38] <t00na> MP3's are where it gets tricky.
[03:38] <^theCronoAFK> i have a dvd player, then again, what do i care about what'slegal or not heh
[03:38] <t00na> Nobody was ever sentenced to anything for DVD's and MP3 codecs...
[03:38] <user121> intelikey: why should I have to use apt  what is wrong with the other packet managers?
[03:38] <^theCronoAFK> of course toona
[03:39] <^theCronoAFK> user121 nothing is better and more compatiable than apt
[03:39] <t00na> One of the kids behind libdvdcss was arrested, but never trialed
[03:39] <intelikey> user121 do you want some one else to help you ?
[03:39] <t00na> ^theCronoAFK: You should be okay.
[03:39] <^theCronoAFK> apt-get is the best way to install anything
[03:39] <user121> intelikey: no, just asking what the difference between the two
[03:39] <moparisthebest> t00na, but dvdcss was declared illegal in the USA
[03:39] <^theCronoAFK> t00na..i use bitorrent on a daily basis..i'm not very worried..jsut curious
[03:40] <intelikey> user121 none really, that i care about.  use aptitude in place of apt if you liek
[03:40] <intelikey> like
[03:40] <moparisthebest> bittorrent is perfectly legal as well
[03:40] <t00na> moparisthebest: It's just a trade secret that was legally figured out.
[03:40] <^theCronoAFK> 90% of the uses it goes through are not
[03:40] <intelikey> user121 but do use the konsole and not the gui app
[03:40] <intelikey> we meed the error messages if any
[03:40] <^theCronoAFK> apt-get made things so much easyer
[03:40] <moparisthebest> t00na, it was more reverse engineered, and the judge ruled something stupid like 'you bought it with encryption so now you can't remove it'
[03:41] <user121> I typically use GUI, but and not scared of a console
[03:41] <^theCronoAFK> if someone buys something, it should be illegal for the sell to place a condition on its use
[03:41] <^theCronoAFK> seller*
[03:41] <intelikey> console != konsole
[03:42] <moparisthebest> then you get into things like microsoft, where you just 'buy' a license to use the software, not the actual software itself ^theCronoAFK ;)
[03:42] <^theCronoAFK> bitorrent sells me all ym software
[03:42] <t00na> It's your DVD.   I guss I will look the difference up at some point
[03:43] <moparisthebest> I live in the USA, and have dvdcss installed, but it is illegal currently
[03:43] <t00na> Stupid judge doesn't have tabs on the world.
[03:43] <^theCronoAFK> no one is really unless your gettign too big on the net for somethign illegal
[03:43] <^theCronoAFK> just use an anon proxy if you want to be safe
[03:43] <t00na> I think it's unconstitutional for it to be declared illegal.
[03:44] <moparisthebest> hopefully it does get put down in the future
[03:44] <^theCronoAFK> and don't downlaod nicenewmovie..2 days after nicenewmovie is released
[03:44] <moparisthebest> I think it will eventually
[03:44] <t00na> How about this: I make a company that sells TV dinners.
[03:44] <t00na> But in the EULA of that TV dinner, you can only use my partner company's brand of microwave to cook it.
[03:44] <^theCronoAFK> lol
[03:44] <t00na> If you use any other microwave, i'll send the cops to bonk you on the head.
[03:45] <intelikey> user121 konsole is a terminal emulator  like  gnome terminal   and xterm   console is the linux vertual terminal   you can access the console with alt+ctrl+f# where # is 1-7 and 7 being the console that xorg is running in.
[03:45] <^theCronoAFK> i wuld say ef you and your company, and use the tv dinner in another microwave
[03:45] <moparisthebest> sounds like a very microsoft thing to do t00na :)
[03:45] <moparisthebest> Microsoft TV Dinners
[03:45] <t00na> ^theCronoAFK: then go ahead and use dvdcss to your heart's content.
[03:45] <t00na> moparisthebest: they run Windows CE. :D
[03:45] <^theCronoAFK> but,i have a real hardware dvsd player..so lol
[03:45] <^theCronoAFK> dvd*
[03:45] <^theCronoAFK> connected to my TV
[03:46] <Airforce5555> moparisthebest: interesting name....
[03:46] <t00na> I'm too lazy to use a real DVD player.
[03:46] <moparisthebest> hardware DVD players are legal because they paid royalties to decrypt the DVD
[03:46] <^theCronoAFK> and the only reason i use mp3 is because ogg isn't accepted on music sites most of the time
[03:46] <moparisthebest> Airforce5555, thanks, are you one of the few who knows what a mopar is? :)
[03:46] <^theCronoAFK> liek i can't put ogg on my myspace page
[03:46] <t00na> just like that microwave that heats up my TV dinners.
[03:46] <t00na> they paid royalties to me.
[03:47] <Airforce5555> act, im not exactly sure what a mopar is. It just reminded me of a mmorpg private server XD
[03:47] <moparisthebest> hehe, moparscape.org? it's mine :P
[03:47] <Airforce5555> is it?
[03:47] <t00na> anyway, back to my question
[03:47] <Airforce5555> it is*
[03:47] <^theCronoAFK> is it a wow server?
[03:47] <regeya> mopar?  as in dodge?
[03:47] <^theCronoAFK> just curious
[03:47] <Airforce5555> runescape
[03:47] <^theCronoAFK> oh
[03:47] <moparisthebest> but no, mopar stands for dodge, chrysler plymouth and jeep, car companies :)
[03:47] <Airforce5555> lol
[03:48] <^theCronoAFK> they need a good open source mmorpg
[03:48] <t00na> I found that I have AppArmor preinstalled on my Kubuntu
[03:48] <t00na> how do I use it?
[03:48] <Airforce5555> so no affiliation with moparscape?
[03:48] <moparisthebest> ^theCronoAFK, there is planeshift
[03:48] <regeya> vroom vroom
[03:48] <user121> user121: i see.  does apt-get have a way to browse all the apps listed in the repos?  Other than using a GUI?
[03:48] <^theCronoAFK> didn'tlikepl;aneshift very much though lol
[03:48] <moparisthebest> nope Airforce5555, I made that nick years ago because they are my favorite cars :)
[03:48] <Airforce5555> lol
[03:48] <user121> user121:  lol i mean simiar to the way adapt or symantic do
[03:48] <t00na> helloes????
[03:48]  * intelikey thought that mopar was as widely known as delco  or fomoco
[03:49] <moparisthebest> ^theCronoAFK, we kinda 'made' runescape open source ;)
[03:49] <moparisthebest> no, not nearly as widely known it seems intelikey
[03:49] <moparisthebest> only seems like older guys know what it means
[03:49] <Daisuke_Ido> who's never heard of mopar?
[03:49] <user121> Daisuke_Ido: not me
[03:49] <intelikey> you calling me old ?
[03:50]  * Airforce5555 raises his hand
[03:50] <Daisuke_Ido> of course, i'm probably about the middle of the age scale around here
[03:50]  * Airforce5555 is not old though =\
[03:50] <regeya> intelikey: mopar is chrysler, delco is gm
[03:50] <moparisthebest> i'm 22, and most people my age don't recognize the name :/
[03:50] <Daisuke_Ido> k, i'm 28, which explains a little bit
[03:50] <moparisthebest> so maybe I am calling you old? :)
[03:50] <Airforce5555> I am a honda person...
[03:50] <intelikey> regeya and fomoco is ford moter company
[03:50] <moparisthebest> ew, honda
[03:51] <Airforce5555> honda and toyota
[03:51] <Airforce5555> nothign beats reliability!!!
[03:51]  * moparisthebest gags
[03:51] <regeya> intelikey: sorry, I misread your statement
[03:51] <Adlai> what are my chances of getting ion3 to 'work' with kde (in terms of having kicker display and play nice and whatnot) ?
[03:51]  * Daisuke_Ido hugs his clown car
[03:51] <Daisuke_Ido> Adlai: that depends: what's ion3
[03:51] <intelikey> :)
[03:51] <Adlai> Daisuke_Ido: one of those sexy tiling window managers
[03:51] <bascule> !info ion3
[03:51] <ubotu> ion3 (source: ion3): keyboard-friendly window manager with tiled windows. In component multiverse, is extra. Version 20070506-2 (gutsy), package size 1592 kB, installed size 4084 kB
[03:52] <t00na> Can anyone help me?
[03:52] <moparisthebest> so, like a super-bloated wmii?
[03:52] <t00na> How do I use AppArmor on Gutsy?
[03:52] <bascule> one of those light ones like ratpoison or such
[03:52] <Adlai> moparisthebest: no, it's very light weight, although I suppose running kde underneath would make it super-bloated
[03:52] <intelikey> t00na does it have a man page ?
[03:52] <moparisthebest> thats what I meant
[03:52] <bascule> people use them cause they like key-shortcuts in there text editors left well alone :)
[03:53] <user121> ok.... according to apt  kdm theme is already installed, yet I do not see it in my menu.  any thoughts?
[03:53] <intelikey> i don't even know what apparmor is
[03:53] <t00na> intelikey: nope
[03:53] <bascule> !apparmor
[03:53] <ubotu> For information about the AppArmor security framework employed in Ubuntu (since Gutsy Gibbon), see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AppArmor
[03:53] <bascule> the bot knows all :)
[03:53] <moparisthebest> I dont know what apparmor is either, at least for the next few minutes :)
[03:53] <intelikey> user121 ummm logout sense you instaled it ?
[03:54] <user121> intelikey: ok ill give that a shot
[03:55] <intelikey> just thinking that kde might not be able to detect the new themes unless you restart it...  there shoud be a buildsycoco for the menu though
[03:56] <user121> intelikey: yeah, still nothing.  Do you know which menu item it would appear under?
[03:57] <intelikey> no i don't    LjL might
[03:58] <Daisuke_Ido> it's probably not in the kmenu - afaik it's available in kcontrol
[03:58] <intelikey> i'm afraid i'm not much help on gui things.    i haven't started xorg today.    and only one time in the last weak.
[03:58] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido to the rescue
[03:59] <intelikey> kcontrol sounds right.
[03:59] <user121> Daisuke_Ido: ahh, that would expalin it then
[03:59] <Daisuke_Ido> intelikey: the finny thing?  i haven't used kde since about two days after gutsy's release
[03:59] <intelikey> or maybe a system settings submenu ?
[03:59] <Daisuke_Ido> funny*
[04:00] <intelikey> yes. i have kde and gnome installed  but when i do start xorg i use blackbox  heh.
[04:01] <^theCronoAFK> xorg?
[04:01] <intelikey> ^theCronoAFK that's the  pointy clicky thingy   that looks like windows
[04:01] <intelikey> :)
[04:01] <^theCronoAFK> oh
[04:01] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah, x-windows*
[04:01] <^theCronoAFK> gui
[04:01] <intelikey> yep
[04:01] <^theCronoAFK> then what is kde?
[04:02] <Taggnostr> I fixed everything \o/
[04:02] <intelikey> k desktop environment
[04:02] <user121> grr all these damn "k" are confusing
[04:02] <^theCronoAFK> ?
[04:02] <Taggnostr> now that it works I've to configure everything \o/
[04:02] <user121> lol where is kcontrole?
[04:02] <intelikey> user121 alt+f2   kcontrol
[04:03] <intelikey> !kde
[04:03] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop », or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE version is 3.5.8 for Gutsy and Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[04:03] <user121> intelikey:  ahh there we go.  thx
[04:04] <^theCronoAFK> what is the diffrence between kde and gui?
[04:04] <intelikey> ^theCronoAFK xorg is the gui that kde runs in
[04:05] <^theCronoAFK> then what does kde do? lol..'desktop environment' is extremely vauge
[04:05] <intelikey> the x-window-system provides the gui   the desktop environment uses the gui and makes/moves/decorates windows in it.
[04:06] <^theCronoAFK> oh
[04:06] <^theCronoAFK> makes it look less...blande and windowsy
[04:06] <^theCronoAFK> KDE is just a visual addon right?
[04:07] <genii> window managers are more than gust visual addons
[04:07] <intelikey> ^theCronoAFK if you want to see what bare xorg is   do this sometime    sudo /etc/init.d/?dm stop   then login and type   X
[04:07] <^theCronoAFK> lol
[04:07] <intelikey> that will put you in a bare xorg
[04:07] <^theCronoAFK> i'll get lost in mono-block land
[04:07] <intelikey> just so you'll know.
[04:08] <^theCronoAFK> is there any way to code the layout..so maby one day i could code in the feature i was talking about..with the start button?
[04:08] <intelikey> and you can ctrl+alt+backspace  to kill it then startx is a script that will put back in xorg + a desktop environment
[04:09] <^theCronoAFK> lol, can you attack sounds to events in the theme?
[04:09] <reverend_joshua> i'm trying to install nvidia drivers and when i run the kdm stop command it goes back to the black kubuntu screen with a blue bar under it
[04:09] <^theCronoAFK> attach*
[04:09] <intelikey> ^theCronoAFK a way to code something in linux ?  are you kidding ?
[04:10] <^theCronoAFK> lol
[04:10] <^theCronoAFK> no
[04:10] <reverend_joshua> is there something i'm missing in the command sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop?
[04:10] <Daisuke_Ido> reverend_joshua: what's the error message?
[04:10] <reverend_joshua> no error message
[04:10] <biovore> ^theCronoAFK: there are over 20 scripting/programming languages for linux
[04:10] <reverend_joshua> it just goes back to the splash screen
[04:10] <intelikey> well the short answer is   YES!  emphaticatly yes. there surely is.
[04:11] <^theCronoAFK> what si the best language to use that can drasticly change KDE gui?
[04:11] <reverend_joshua> but it doesn't do anything from there
[04:11] <^theCronoAFK> i am planning on starting to learn a language, as currently i am jobless and bored lol
[04:11] <intelikey> reverend_joshua depends on what you want it to do and if it's running ?
[04:12] <intelikey> reverend_joshua oh sorry i missed your second post
[04:12] <^theCronoAFK> i figure gui is a reletivly easy thing to modify
[04:12] <intelikey> reverend_joshua yes at the splash screen use alt+f1
[04:12] <reverend_joshua> ah
[04:12] <biovore> ^theCronoAFK: kde uses a gui system call QT.  KDE is written to use QT with C++
[04:12] <reverend_joshua> thanks
[04:12] <intelikey> ^theCronoAFK not as easy as the cli.  but yes
[04:12] <^theCronoAFK> so i ened to elarn QT/c++?
[04:12] <^theCronoAFK> need to learn*
[04:12] <biovore> ^theCronoAFK: but you can do QT stuff with scripting languages like python and perl as well
[04:12] <^theCronoAFK> cli?
[04:13] <intelikey> !cli
[04:13] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[04:13] <biovore> yes.. CLI is hthe hear of the system..
[04:13] <^theCronoAFK> hear?
[04:13] <biovore> the gui just an abstraction layer
[04:13] <biovore> ^theCronoAFK: you can't do everything in a gui..
[04:13] <^theCronoAFK> where is the best place to go to elarn to script with QT/C++, the KDE gui
[04:14] <biovore> www.trolltech.com <-- makers of QT
[04:14] <^theCronoAFK> biover, i know jack abotu coding..this is jsut a start
[04:14] <^theCronoAFK> learn QT before C++?
[04:14] <biovore> I start with python or introduction to c++
[04:14] <biovore> QT is a big step.. you have to know c++ first..
[04:14] <^theCronoAFK> Oh
[04:14] <MacAnthony> ^theCronoAFK: most ubuntu based devel is done with python
[04:14] <biovore> learn C++ and everything on linux falls into place..
[04:14] <MacAnthony> http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Python_introduction_to_signals_and_slots
[04:14]  * intelikey skiped all that and just learned shell scripting
[04:15] <^theCronoAFK> So mess with python first?
[04:15] <biovore> Python is fairly simple to get started in..
[04:15] <MacAnthony> python is easier to learn than c++, IMO
[04:15] <^theCronoAFK> ive seen books on C++..oh my god
[04:15] <reverend_joshua> !nvidia
[04:15] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:15] <MacAnthony> and no compiling
[04:15] <^theCronoAFK> python doesn't need to compile?
[04:15] <MacAnthony> just write the script and run it
[04:15]  * intelikey is glad no one has pointed him to perl (gag)
[04:15] <MacAnthony> :)
[04:16] <MacAnthony> ruby?
[04:16] <intelikey> ;/
[04:16] <^theCronoAFK> what si somethign simple and unimportant in kubuntu that i can modify with python?
[04:16] <MacAnthony> I don't know much about ruby but the perl to ruby comparison keep shying me away from it
[04:16] <Taggnostr> python \o/
[04:17] <MacAnthony> ^theCronoAFK: i was just reading the pyqt tutorial Riddell gave last month
[04:17] <MacAnthony> you could start there
[04:17] <intelikey> i started to try to learn perl   went to #perl and that changed my mind about it for ever.
[04:17] <^theCronoAFK> assholes in #perl?
[04:17] <^theCronoAFK> lol
[04:17] <MacAnthony> ^theCronoAFK: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay/PyKDE
[04:17] <intelikey> much worse
[04:18] <^theCronoAFK> this is why i left linux, because #ubuntu and #knoppix were all elitist aholes
[04:18] <user121> is there a way to get compiz-beryl to run on KDE?
[04:18] <^theCronoAFK> and i wasn't even going to dare going into #debian
[04:18] <Taggnostr> how do I free the adept manager? it says that someone else are using apt
[04:19] <intelikey> !adeptcrash | Taggnostr
[04:19] <ubotu> Taggnostr: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[04:19] <Taggnostr> I always have this problem
[04:23] <Taggnostr> before that it says that there is a distro update, how can I do it now?
[04:24] <MacAnthony> anyone know off hand if amarok can remember where is left off in a track?
[04:24] <MacAnthony> if not I'll go to #amarok
[04:24] <^theCronoAFK> ask in #lad
[04:24] <^theCronoAFK> or that\
[04:24] <intelikey> :() { S=1 ;echo "\n #?\c" ;until [ "$S" -gt 70 ] ;do echo "-?\b\c" ;sleep .1 ;S=$(($S + 1)) ;done ;echo "!#\b\b\b\c" ;S=1 ;until [ "$S" -gt 70 ] ;do echo "\b!=\b\b\c" ;sleep .1 ;S=$(($S + 1)) ;done ;echo "!=\b\b" ; } ; :
[04:24] <MacAnthony> not a big deal, just curious
[04:24] <^theCronoAFK> omg what langauge is that inteli?
[04:24] <intelikey> bash
[04:24] <MacAnthony> shel
[04:25] <^theCronoAFK> what do python look like?
[04:25] <user121> anyone know how to enabe compiz on kde?
[04:25] <Taggnostr> python looks like pseudocode
[04:25] <^theCronoAFK> what does that look like?
[04:25] <MacAnthony> http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/kubuntu-tutorials-day/pykde/hola.py
[04:26] <intelikey> !compiz | user121
[04:26] <ubotu> user121: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[04:27] <^theCronoAFK> what is compiz?
[04:27] <^theCronoAFK> in short
[04:27] <intelikey> eyecandy
[04:27] <user121> peacy... thx
[04:27] <^theCronoAFK> :D
[04:27] <^theCronoAFK> any screenshots?
[04:27] <user121> or peachy even
[04:27] <MacAnthony> there are vids on youtube
[04:27] <user121> ^theCronoAFK:  there are many youtube videos
[04:27] <intelikey> ^theCronoAFK no thanks.
[04:28] <^theCronoAFK> just search compiz?
[04:28] <intelikey> ^theCronoAFK oh your were not offering screen shots, you were asking for them....     hehhe
[04:28] <MacAnthony> yeah
[04:28] <MacAnthony> or beryl
[04:28] <user121> night all.  thx for your help
[04:28] <intelikey> user121 come back any tiem
[04:28] <intelikey> time
[04:29] <^theCronoAFK> wow, is compiz CPU intensive?
[04:29] <MacAnthony> depends on your graphic card support
[04:29] <intelikey> some yse
[04:29] <^theCronoAFK> ati radeon x1300 should be ok for basic stuff right?
[04:30]  * intelikey repetes a tired old phrase "i wish my nvidia card was supported."
[04:30] <MacAnthony> yes if the hardware accelleration is working correctly
[04:31] <MacAnthony> I've seen modest computers handle it fairly well when setup correctly
[04:31] <^theCronoAFK> wow, that's amazing stuff
[04:31] <intelikey> modest ?
[04:32] <intelikey> MacAnthony what means modest ?
[04:32] <^theCronoAFK> lol firepaint
[04:32] <Taggnostr> how could I update the distro?
[04:32] <^theCronoAFK> wow thats ff awesome
[04:32] <MacAnthony> I mean older not so powerful computers
[04:33] <intelikey> MacAnthony example of ?
[04:33] <justin_> hi all
[04:33] <intelikey> !upgrade | Taggnostr
[04:33] <ubotu> Taggnostr: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[04:33] <^theCronoAFK> wow this is amazing, i lvoe eye candy
[04:33] <MacAnthony> a friend of mine had it working on an older thinkpad, must have been a 1ghz machine with 512m ram
[04:33] <MacAnthony> not sure the video card
[04:33] <^theCronoAFK> makes me want to do gui editing..RIGHT NOW
[04:33] <justin_> anyone got any good newbie hints
[04:34] <^theCronoAFK> for what justine?
[04:34] <intelikey> justin_ yeah. hang around in here a while
[04:34] <NickPresta> justin_, http://linuxcommand.org/
[04:34] <justin_> i am a linux noob,  i know how to do some little things but i need to know how to compile programs.  i dont have the first clue what i need
[04:35] <intelikey> !cli | justin_
[04:35] <ubotu> justin_: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[04:35] <MacAnthony> everyone in #amarok must be sleeping
[04:35] <intelikey> !b-e | justin_ this too.
[04:35] <ubotu> justin_ this too.: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[04:35] <justin_> how do i change my default internet program from konquer to firefox
[04:35] <^theCronoAFK> WOW FF..they got a window fliyng around WITH an imbedded movie playing it without frame loss
[04:35] <MacAnthony> kcontrol -> default application
[04:36] <^theCronoAFK> this is so cutthroat :D
[04:36] <NickPresta> !alternatives | justin_
[04:36] <ubotu> justin_: To change the default applications system-wide, use 'sudo update-alternatives --all' in a terminal.
[04:36] <intelikey> justin_ umm or k-menu system settings prefered apps     or something like that
[04:36] <MacAnthony> intelikey: default application
[04:36] <^theCronoAFK> compiz works with KDE?
[04:36] <MacAnthony> ^theCronoAFK: yes
[04:36] <^theCronoAFK> :D
[04:36] <NickPresta> ^theCronoAFK, yep
[04:37] <intelikey> oh the prefered application is gnome MacAnthony ?
[04:37] <^theCronoAFK> :D
[04:37] <^theCronoAFK> this is the kind fo stuff i want to code
[04:37] <MacAnthony> intelikey: dunno - haven't used gnome in a while
[04:39] <^theCronoAFK> what is kiba-dock?
[04:39] <justin_> i am trying to install an app and i am using adept manager but it says it cant lock something or other b/c it is being used.  but i dont have another adept prog running??
[04:41] <sparr_> i have an animated gif.  i want to convert it to an avi.  how?
[04:41] <^theCronoAFK> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08ndKGeHeQE&feature=related
[04:41] <^theCronoAFK> :D
[04:42] <im-a-n00b> hey all. i have a question about disks and bad blocks. if the hdd has been formatted in windows as ntfs using a slow format, if i then format it in linux as ext3, do i need to check for bad blocks again?
[04:42] <MacAnthony> intelikey: what is the adept crash flag?
[04:43] <MacAnthony> !adeptcrash | justin_
[04:43] <ubotu> justin_: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[04:43] <MacAnthony> im-a-n00b: I wouldn't say so - bad blocks aren't terribly common
[04:44] <MacAnthony> on the other hand, it certainly wouldn't hurt either
[04:45] <intelikey> im-a-n00b yes you should,  you never want to assume that a disk is good   a check is not that slow.    mke2fs -cf /dev/<device>
[04:46] <^theCronoAFK> will i need to do that inteli?
[04:47] <^theCronoAFK> i'm going to reformat my entier drive
[04:47] <^theCronoAFK> then quad splice them
[04:47] <intelikey> MacAnthony bad blocks are quite common   it's just that "SMART" and other things such as badblocks testing when making an fs hide them from the user.
[04:47] <intelikey> they are not often seen   that doesn't mean they don't exist.
[04:47] <MacAnthony> intelikey: I'm speaking in relative terms to as they used to be
[04:48] <MacAnthony> I know how badblocks are marked
[04:48] <intelikey> MacAnthony k
[04:48] <MacAnthony> :)
[04:48] <im-a-n00b> MacAnthony: yeah.. i know.. but this drive when reading a particular file..... it has an error and unmounts itself (external usb drive)
[04:48] <intelikey> ^theCronoAFK the installer will do that for you.
[04:48] <im-a-n00b> intelikey: ok, ill try that thanks :)
[04:48] <^theCronoAFK> ok
[04:48] <corinth> Is there any danger to enabling the backports repository?
[04:48] <^theCronoAFK> its amazingly user freindly compared to last time
[04:49] <^theCronoAFK> 5.10 was horriable..it was like trying to survive in vietnam without a gun
[04:49] <intelikey> im-a-n00b note what i just told ^theCronoAFK about that.  if you are installing   it automatically checks for bad blocks
[04:50] <justin_> how do i add the media repository so i can play mp3s
[04:50] <im-a-n00b> intelikey: thanks, but this drive is an external usb... making partitions using command line
[04:50] <lavacano201014> /-justin_-\ on what media player?
[04:50] <intelikey> ^theCronoAFK i must be vietnamees then   i though the installer on 5.4 was better than this ubiquity is.
[04:50] <justin_> armorok
[04:50] <^theCronoAFK> lol
[04:50] <intelikey> im-a-n00b yeah   always a good idea to check.
[04:51] <lavacano201014> do you mean streams?
[04:51] <toyo|desk> hi guys, umm I am having a bit of an issue... I have kubuntu installed and I am trying to use dolphin(the file manager) I want to always see hidden files but I cant figure out how to make it do it
[04:51]  * lavacano201014 needs to check these things
[04:51] <im-a-n00b> intelikey: ok thanks :)
[04:51] <justin_> no downloaded mp3s
[04:51] <MacAnthony> justin_: when you run amarok and try and play an mp3, it will ask you to download the needed plugins
[04:51] <justin_> i dont think i have the codec
[04:51] <lavacano201014> /-justin_-\ you have a collection folder, right?
[04:51] <justin_> oh ok
[04:51] <MacAnthony> should anyway
[04:51] <justin_> sweet
[04:51] <MacAnthony> did on mine
[04:51] <^theCronoAFK> !mp3
[04:51] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:51] <justin_> yea i am getting music off of another computer
[04:51] <lavacano201014> oh i thought he meant adding them to his collection list
[04:52] <lavacano201014> not trying to get them to work lol
[04:52] <corinth> !backports
[04:52] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they may go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[04:52] <lavacano201014> incidentally, what version of amarok is on the media center...?
[04:52] <justin_> i have no clue
[04:52] <im-a-n00b> intelikey: that command gives me an invalid fragment size...
[04:52] <justin_> how do i tell
[04:52] <im-a-n00b> :(
[04:52] <lavacano201014> /-justin_-\ muttering to myself
[04:53] <MacAnthony> im-a-n00b: how is it formatted?
[04:53] <justin_> 1.4.7
[04:53] <im-a-n00b> ext3
[04:53] <lavacano201014> but for future reference: Help -> About Amarok
[04:53] <lavacano201014> oh never mind
[04:53] <lavacano201014> you got it lol
[04:53] <MacAnthony> hmm
[04:53] <im-a-n00b> MacAnthony: or the command?
[04:53]  * lavacano201014 slaps himself around a bit with a small trout
[04:53] <justin_> i figured that i just wasnt thinking.  i am a medic and i have been up for about 2 days
[04:53] <MacAnthony> im-a-n00b: you answered correctly
[04:53] <MacAnthony> that was what I meant
[04:54]  * lavacano201014 gets off IRC and leaves you to talk to his bouncer :-)
[04:54] <im-a-n00b> MacAnthony: intelikey: ok the command im putting in is sudo mke2fs -jcf /dev/sdb1
[04:54] <im-a-n00b> am i missing something?
[04:54] <^theCronoAFK> do you have any conc grenades justin_?
[04:54] <justin_> no
[04:54] <^theCronoAFK> Oh shoot.
[04:54] <justin_> y?
[04:55] <^theCronoAFK> It a reference to Team fortress
[04:55] <justin_> lol
[04:55] <^theCronoAFK> Medics use conc grenades to fly
[04:55] <^theCronoAFK> to places they shouldn't be
[04:55] <justin_> ic
[04:55] <fignew> DEMOMAN
[04:55] <toyo|desk> anyone?
[04:55] <justin_> i dont play many games.
[04:55] <^theCronoAFK> Medic is undoubtable the best class in TFC
[04:55] <^theCronoAFK> it seems msot people here don't :D
[04:55] <justin_> just work and school and piddling on the computer
[04:56] <im-a-n00b> ahh... the f was meant to be capital
[04:56] <^theCronoAFK> do capitalizations matter in console commands?
[04:56] <justin_> yes
[04:56] <im-a-n00b> ^theCronoAFK: yep
[04:56] <MacAnthony> everything is case sensative, ^theCronoAFK
[04:57] <corinth> Is there a way to enable shortcuts like in the ones in Firefox for Konqueror? For example, ctrl-enter to add on .com to an address?
[04:59] <^theCronoAFK> don't brwosers do that anyways?
[04:59] <^theCronoAFK> i type in google..it goes to google.com..or ubuntu,it go there
[05:02] <intelikey> :() { S=1 ;echo -e "#-\c" ;until [ "$S" -gt 30 ] ;do echo -e "-/\b\c" ;S=$(($S + 1)) ;sleep .01 ;done ;echo -e "#\b\b\c" ;S=1 ;until [ "$S" -gt 30 ] ;do echo -e "\b\\=\b\b\c" ;S=$(($S + 1)) ;sleep .01 ;done ;echo -e "!=\b\b\c" ; } ;until false ;do : ;done # "a do nothing script for the bored."
[05:02] <^theCronoAFK> :O
[05:03] <^theCronoAFK> arn'tyou the one telling people to use copypasta?
[05:03] <intelikey> that's only one line
[05:03] <intelikey> can't flood with one line....
[05:04] <^theCronoAFK> Lol
[05:04] <^theCronoAFK> That one line has more than many paragraphs
[05:05] <^theCronoAFK> compiz plugins are almsot exclusivly written in C :/
[05:05] <Agent_bob> but i do get my modem reset pretty regularly.
[05:05] <^theCronoAFK> so i will have to do somethign for KDE
[05:06] <Agent_bob> ^theCronoAFK you like pastebin better   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d12ad52e4
[05:07] <toyo|desk> ^theCronoAFK, do you know much about dolphin?
[05:07] <Agent_bob> need a script for pasting things?   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d6fb91463
[05:07] <^theCronoAFK> i know nothing about dolphin
[05:07] <toyo|desk> oh
[05:07] <toyo|desk> ok
[05:08]  * toyo|desk is getting sorta annoyed with its inability to remember that I want to see hidden files
[05:08] <toyo|desk> :(
[05:08] <^theCronoAFK> why not just unhide everything?
[05:08] <^theCronoAFK> that's a shot in the dark though
[05:08] <Jucato> toyo|desk: kde3 or kde4?
[05:09] <toyo|desk> lol
[05:09] <toyo|desk> umm I think its 3.5
[05:09] <toyo|desk> let me see
[05:09] <toyo|desk> 3.5.8
[05:09] <toyo|desk> thats what it says
[05:09] <Jucato> what version of Dolphin? (Help -> About Dolphin)
[05:09] <toyo|desk> 0.9.2
[05:10] <Jucato> yep D3lphin...
[05:10] <toyo|desk> ...
[05:10] <toyo|desk> whats that mean?
[05:10] <Agent_bob> ^theCronoAFK because you can't remove the dot from .filename  and expect the system to still find them    "why you can't `unhide everything'"
[05:10] <Jucato> !d3lphin
[05:10] <ubotu> Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[05:11] <Jucato> toyo|desk: anyway... isn't there an option in View -> Adjust View Properties to show Hidden files by default?
[05:11] <toyo|desk> but I like dolphin....I would just like it better if it could remember what I told it
[05:11] <toyo|desk> :/
[05:11] <Jucato> (sorry I don't have dolphin right now)
[05:11] <toyo|desk> ah
[05:11] <Jucato> er.. d3lphin...
[05:11] <^theCronoAFK> arn't hidden files, hidden because of a property, and not a file extension?
[05:11] <toyo|desk> umm yeah there is but it dosent keep the setting
[05:11] <toyo|desk> ^theCronoAFK, no
[05:11] <^theCronoAFK> oh
[05:11] <Agent_bob> ^theCronoAFK no
[05:11] <Jucato> ^theCronoAFK: no
[05:11] <toyo|desk> they are hidden because they have a . in front
[05:11] <^theCronoAFK> i get the point
[05:11] <Jucato> anyone for fourths? :D
[05:12] <Jucato> blame the net lag :P
[05:12] <Agent_bob> ^theCronoAFK it's not extention. it's names that start with dot
[05:12] <toyo|desk> anyway umm
[05:12] <^theCronoAFK> oh
[05:12] <toyo|desk> so I wonder if my dolphin is just broken
[05:12] <toyo|desk> :(
[05:12] <Jucato> toyo|desk:  is there an "Apply to" "All folders" option?
[05:12] <basy> when i have some files selected in KRUSADER and i copy them to another window, i want to clear selected group afetr copy, move, etc... Where to set it plz?, I can't find id....
[05:12] <Jucato> toyo|desk: well, D3lphin, the KDE 3 clone/fork of Dolphin, is basically unfinished.. so it might not really be there at all
[05:12] <toyo|desk> Jucato, yeah I tried that but then when I change to another folder it forgets what I clicked
[05:13] <toyo|desk> :(
[05:13] <toyo|desk> damn
[05:13] <Agent_bob> ^theCronoAFK oh yeah.  i should warn you.  forget everything you think you know about computers, and welcome to linux.
[05:13] <^theCronoAFK> yeah lol
[05:13] <toyo|desk> lol
[05:13] <Jucato> lol
[05:13] <^theCronoAFK> ive been on linux befiore for almsot as year
[05:13] <Jucato> (again anyone for fourths? :D)
[05:13] <^theCronoAFK> ubuntu 5.10
[05:13] <Jucato> hm.. that should be almost 2 years then :)
[05:13] <^theCronoAFK> it was horrible..not because of the system, but the people
[05:13] <^theCronoAFK> so i just left
[05:14] <^theCronoAFK> and got xp
[05:14] <toyo|desk> Jucato, so you think that it may just be broken in the 3.5 release?
[05:14] <Jucato> you started with the wrong *buntu :P
[05:14] <Agent_bob> Jucato :)
[05:14] <Jucato> toyo|desk: more like "not implemented" :D
[05:14] <^theCronoAFK> i rememebr going into #ubuntu..they told me to go to #debian...people in debian said use google
[05:14] <Jucato> toyo|desk: D3lphin (the one used in Kubuntu) isn't really an "official" Dolphin... it's a split
[05:14] <toyo|desk> well I consider things that are menu items that dont work broken
[05:14] <toyo|desk> haha
[05:15] <^theCronoAFK> google ffs
[05:15] <toyo|desk> oh
[05:15] <toyo|desk> I see
[05:15] <toyo|desk> well
[05:15] <toyo|desk> damn
[05:15] <Agent_bob> ^theCronoAFK yep that what they say in #debian   just google it.  or rtfm
[05:15] <toyo|desk> I like it
[05:15] <^theCronoAFK> well, it was use google or flame him for wanting to run a windows program and not adopting the eltiest anti-micrsuck emntalilty *
[05:15] <toyo|desk> I just came to kubuntu from gentoo and gnome
[05:15] <toyo|desk> haha
[05:15] <Agent_bob> but sometimes you get a streight answer there.
[05:16] <toyo|desk> I got pissed off at stuff not working
[05:16] <^theCronoAFK> well, i consider google a last resort
[05:16] <^theCronoAFK> some condier it the first resort lol
[05:16] <MacAnthony> I go to google first cause it's faster
[05:16] <Agent_bob> ^theCronoAFK most do.
[05:17]  * Agent_bob considers google a lost cause.
[05:17] <MacAnthony> when I know what it is I'm looking for at least
[05:17]  * ^theCronoAFK considers google and wikipedia lost causes
[05:17]  * Jucato considers Agent_bob a lost cause
[05:17]  * Jucato runs
[05:17] <MacAnthony> :)
[05:17] <^theCronoAFK> most of the time i don't know what i am lookign for
[05:17]  * Agent_bob investigates Jucato
[05:17] <basy> howto automatic deselec selected files in krusader afer copy, move, etc. They stay selected :(
[05:18] <^theCronoAFK> and i end up typing into google "that program that atkes the dots and does the thimng"
[05:18] <^theCronoAFK> and i either get 40 trillion or 40 results
[05:18] <^theCronoAFK> like yesterday i asked someone what DLC is...they said google it...first 10 results where all diffrent
[05:19] <^theCronoAFK> and turns out none of them was it
[05:19] <Jucato> ^theCronoAFK: Google ranking
[05:19] <Agent_bob> ^theCronoAFK oh i never have that good of a search,  the high end is right but the low end is way too high.  it's 40 trillion or none.
[05:19] <Taggnostr> how could I copy a file if I can't write in the folder?
[05:19] <^theCronoAFK> google ranking?
[05:19] <Agent_bob> Taggnostr you can't.   root can.  sudo cp blah /dest
[05:20] <Jucato> Taggnostr: depends on where you are copying it to...
[05:20] <Taggnostr> ok, thanks
[05:21]  * Agent_bob turns Jucato over to the tax assessor for a three year old tax fraud.
[05:21]  * Agent_bob runs.
[05:22] <Jucato> :D
[05:22] <Taggnostr> it worked
[05:22] <Jucato> I can legally say that I have never been eligible to pay taxes ever since.. there's no reason I would have to use fraud :P
[05:22] <Jucato> of course I could be liable for being offtopic.. that'd be a different crime :D
[05:23] <Agent_bob> :)
[05:23] <val0> question: trying to install Nvidia driver... following the instrutions from the nvidia website... "can't find libc..." shouldn't libc be installed on my machine by default?
[05:24]  * genii has a sudden urge to !ot Jucato but resists
[05:24] <toyo|desk> humm I just clicked a check box to install ati drivers
[05:24] <toyo|desk> :D
[05:24] <Agent_bob> val0 install glibc maybe ?  not sure.  but yes libc6 is installed
[05:24] <toyo|desk> that was cool as hell
[05:24] <toyo|desk> haha
[05:25] <^theCronoAFK> buttons anc checkboxes, the furute of opensource
[05:25] <^theCronoAFK> future*
[05:25] <Agent_bob> not
[05:25] <val0> Agent_bob that's what I thought... it's an obsolutely fresh install... arg
[05:25] <Agent_bob> val0 oh wait.   install build-essential
[05:26] <Agent_bob> i bet the error message is in error.
[05:26] <val0> Agent_bob hmm... you think so? ok i'll try... brb
[05:26] <Agent_bob> if not at least it gives me a chance to hide....
[05:26] <^theCronoAFK> can't wait untill i'm done backing up..i feel left out not having problems for you guys to assist me on
[05:27] <^theCronoAFK> but i will as soon as i do two more cds, because then i will install kubuntu
[05:27] <^theCronoAFK> the problem is
[05:27] <^theCronoAFK> i have to use grphical safemode because kubuntu doesn't regocnize my ati radeon x1300
[05:27] <^theCronoAFK> :/
[05:28] <Agent_bob> !ati | ^theCronoAFK
[05:28] <ubotu> ^theCronoAFK: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:28] <Agent_bob> in advance...
[05:28] <^theCronoAFK> i need an os before i can do that
[05:28] <^theCronoAFK> and my drivers come with kubuntu..that's the problem
[05:28] <MacAnthony> ^theCronoAFK: envy?
[05:28] <^theCronoAFK> i don't think i need restricted to run KDE
[05:28] <^theCronoAFK> envy?
[05:28] <^theCronoAFK> zorg i mean
[05:28] <Agent_bob> or maybe using the one that ubuntu supplies is the problem
[05:29] <^theCronoAFK> xorg*
[05:29] <MacAnthony> http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[05:29] <Agent_bob> no vesa is fine for xorg/kde
[05:29] <Agent_bob> @ ^theCronoAFK
[05:29] <^theCronoAFK> without safemode?
[05:29] <Agent_bob> that is safemode   sorta
[05:29] <^theCronoAFK> i know
[05:30] <^theCronoAFK> safemode is not a good end solution
[05:30] <Agent_bob> the vesa driver is a low end bios call driver
[05:31] <Agent_bob> but it works well enough with low end output
[05:31] <Agent_bob> and normal xorg/kde is low end
[05:31] <^theCronoAFK> i think the first thing is enabling restricted drivers,hopefully that will clear stuff up
[05:31] <^theCronoAFK> well, i'm going all out with compiz and kibadock
[05:31] <^theCronoAFK> so i need that Hardware
[05:31] <Agent_bob> it is surely low end cause i ran kde on a p1 100mhz box for a while
[05:32] <Agent_bob> ^theCronoAFK yeah. hopefullE
[05:32] <^theCronoAFK> they should implment a repeat feature in youtube
[05:32] <kye> i have this problem when trying to upgrade via adept. While trying to install the the Linux IMG i get an error and it just stops.. then i reboot and linux wont load forcing me to reformat?
[05:33] <^theCronoAFK> did you reformat in the first place?
[05:33] <kye> yes
[05:33] <^theCronoAFK> oh, well, i'm out, agent bob..your next
[05:34] <Agent_bob> so try next time from konsole and see why it's doing that
[05:35] <kye> anyone have any ideas?
[05:35] <Agent_bob> so try next time from konsole and see why it's doing that
[05:35] <kye> sudo apt-get install update?
[05:36] <Agent_bob> rule one.  if a gui app explodes on you.  use a cli equlivant and see why.
[05:36] <Agent_bob> sudo apt-get update ;sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:38] <Agent_bob> Jucato it's all yours.  i am 'fini'
[05:38] <kye> kye@GotWork:~$ sudo apt-get install update
[05:38] <kye> Reading package lists... Done
[05:38] <kye> Building dependency tree
[05:38] <kye> Reading state information... Done
[05:38] <kye> E: Couldn't find package update
[05:38] <Agent_bob> broken apt   thats the problem and obviously a bug.    that not the first one in here with that.
[05:39] <Agent_bob> the update must have hozed it.    or.   did kye mess up his own sources.list ?
[05:39] <Agent_bob> kye pastebin your sources.list and lets see
[05:40] <kye> not sure i just formatted then ran the updates
[05:40] <kye> should i try sudo dpkg --configure -a
[05:40] <kye> ?
[05:40] <toyo|desk> lol my goal with kubuntu is to never have to use the cli
[05:40] <toyo|desk> LD
[05:40] <toyo|desk> XD
[05:40] <Agent_bob> kye wait
[05:40] <Agent_bob>  you added "install"
[05:40] <MacAnthony> what fun is that toyo|desk
[05:41] <Agent_bob> see i'm too sleepy to do this.
[05:41] <toyo|desk> MacAnthony, I had enough of it through my several years of gentoo
[05:41] <Agent_bob> sudo apt-get update ;sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  <<<< kye don't ammend my commands.
[05:41] <odra> caf
[05:41] <MacAnthony> :)
[05:41] <Agent_bob> unless they are wrong....
[05:41] <kye> ok
[05:41] <kye> the dist upgrade is now going..
[05:41] <kye> ty Agent_bob
[05:41] <MacAnthony> there are just some things that are better done through the CLI, imo
[05:41] <kye> i will let you know if i get the error
[05:41] <Agent_bob> welcome kye
[05:42] <Agent_bob> not me you wont.  i'm went
[05:42] <Agent_bob> shalom all.
[05:42]  * MacAnthony is about out too
[05:42] <toyo|desk> MacAnthony, yes I understand that and yes I still use CLI every day at work
[05:42] <toyo|desk> I dont want to have to use it at home as well
[05:42] <toyo|desk> haha
[05:43] <MacAnthony> battery is spent for myself and my lappy
[05:43] <odra> umi tady nekdo cesky?
[05:52] <bazhang> !cz
[05:52] <ubotu> České uživatele žádáme, aby mluvili v kanále #ubuntu anglicky. Česky je možno se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Děkujeme.
[05:56] <monzie> HI all
[05:56] <monzie> I am using Kubuntu 7.10 64 bit
[05:57] <^theCronoAFK> yay!
[05:57] <^theCronoAFK> hows it?
[05:57] <monzie> I need help with my wireless configuration
[05:57] <^theCronoAFK> Hrm, not my subject
[05:58] <im-a-n00b> thanks guys... the bad block scan worked :)
[05:58] <monzie> I can see that my wireless card is up ( from o/p of ifconfig -a )
[05:58] <monzie> but knetworkmanager is not detecting it
[05:58] <^theCronoAFK> !wireless
[05:58] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:58] <^theCronoAFK> that may help
[05:59] <^theCronoAFK> the channel is kinda inactive right now :S
[05:59] <JoshOvki> morning monzie.  make a copy of and clear out /etc/network/interfaces
[05:59] <^theCronoAFK> and i don't know much
[05:59] <^theCronoAFK> or he can helpyou :D
[05:59] <MacAnthony> monzie: there is a bug with networkmanager that causes that
[05:59] <JoshOvki> ^theCronoAFK: i can be limited help at 6am
[05:59] <JoshOvki> :P
[05:59] <cpc> i'll kde4 but my kubuntu not load desktop
[05:59] <^theCronoAFK> 12AM where i am,, where are you?..france?
[06:00] <cpc> can help me/
[06:00] <JoshOvki> UK
[06:00] <cpc> can help me?
[06:00]  * MacAnthony tries to find the bug report
[06:00] <JoshOvki> cpc depends on the problem
[06:00] <^theCronoAFK> i'm jsut about to start installing kubuntu right when there is little support :D
[06:00] <^theCronoAFK> this oughta be fun
[06:00] <cpc> how to correct that problem?
[06:01] <^theCronoAFK> 'not laodign up' is very vaurge cpc
[06:01] <^theCronoAFK> vauge*
[06:01] <^theCronoAFK> cpc what language do you speak?
[06:01] <^theCronoAFK> nativly
[06:01] <^theCronoAFK> natively*
[06:01] <cpc> english
[06:01] <^theCronoAFK> ok
[06:01] <JoshOvki> what time is it where you are?
[06:02] <cpc> indonesia
[06:02] <^theCronoAFK> you speak indinesian?
[06:02] <cpc> yes
[06:02] <^theCronoAFK> indonesian*
[06:02] <^theCronoAFK> i think they might have indonesian channel for you
[06:02] <^theCronoAFK> but i don't know the language code for indonesian
[06:02] <^theCronoAFK> :D
[06:03] <bazhang> !id
[06:03] <ubotu> join ke #ubuntu-id untuk membahas ubuntu dalam bahasa Indonesia
[06:03] <^theCronoAFK> yeah id
[06:03] <JoshOvki> there is no one there tho
[06:03] <^theCronoAFK> oh snap!
[06:03] <MacAnthony> monzie: can't find it right now and I have about 5 minutes of battery left
[06:04] <monzie> MacAnthony: no worrries. Thans for your time!
[06:04] <^theCronoAFK> shoot, where are firefox bookmarks saved?..i forgot to backup mine so i ened to save them and uplaod them to the net
[06:05] <monzie> would removeing my .kde help? would it restore my knetworkmanager to a "sane" configuration?
[06:05] <MacAnthony> search in the bug reports with the error message taht knetworkmanager gives you, and you should be able to find it
[06:05] <MacAnthony> no, it's an issue with networkmanager
[06:05] <monzie> MacAnthony: there is no error message
[06:05] <tommstein> how come ctrl+tab doesn't switch between virtual desktops like it's supposed to?
[06:05] <MacAnthony> the "no active device" message
[06:05] <monzie> I just dont see my wireless. Driver and all are installed. I can manually connect with ifup
[06:05] <cpc> is kdestop for kde4 available?
[06:06] <JoshOvki> monzie did you try my idea?
[06:06] <monzie> JoshOvki: nope. What is your idea?
[06:06] <genii> monzie: knetworkmanager will ignore interfaces which appear in /etc/network/interfaces, they are considered manually configured
[06:06] <tommstein> am i wrong? does ctrl+tab actually work for everyone else?
[06:07] <monzie> genii: oh ok. Should I just remove all the entries there and give it a try?
[06:07] <JoshOvki> monzie: make a backup of you /etc/network/inferfaces    empty out the original and restart
[06:07] <genii> monzie: Comment them out with a #
[06:07] <^theCronoAFK> Where are firefox bookmarks located? onw indows..if anyone knows
[06:07] <jshewey> How can I get two different X sessions running so that can run myth on one videocard/monitor combo and kde on another?
[06:07] <monzie> genii/ JoshOvki: then I need to restart KDE or my system?
[06:08] <genii> monzie: No. just ifconfig them down
[06:08] <monzie> genii: ok
[06:09] <JoshOvki> genii:isnt it usual best to restart so it pulls everything up a-fresh?
[06:09] <genii> JoshOvki: If he can't reconnect i imagine thats what he'll end up doing anyhow
[06:09] <JoshOvki> very true
[06:11] <JoshOvki> ^theCronoAFK:   Documents and Settings\[WindowsUserName]\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\[profile name]\bookmarks.html
[06:11] <tommstein> so am i officially the only person that has ever used Ctrl+tab?
[06:11] <^theCronoAFK> i made a bookmarks .html
[06:12] <^theCronoAFK> well..time for the big moment, about to install kubuntu 7.10!!!!
[06:12] <^theCronoAFK> and i don't know what i am doing :D...so brb
[06:12] <JoshOvki> tommstein isnt ctrl + tab used just for switching tabs in a program
[06:12] <JoshOvki> winkey + tab   for going between v desktops
[06:14] <tommstein> JoshOvki, that seems to be what Ctrl+tab does sometimes in kubuntu (although not other times), but in kde it's usually to switch virtual desktops. winkey+tab isn't doing anything
[06:15] <JoshOvki> ok, in System Settings > Keyboard & Mouse > Keyboard Shortcuts
[06:15] <^TheCrono> hello0
[06:16] <JoshOvki> where it says   Current Scheme change it to KDE Default for 4 Modifier Keys
[06:16] <tommstein> aw, god damn it, i must have clicked on every set of settings except that one. thanks, JoshOvki
[06:16] <JoshOvki> hi again ^TheCrono
[06:16] <JoshOvki> on live disk?
[06:16] <^TheCrono> when i make a home dir
[06:16] <^TheCrono> yes
[06:16] <JoshOvki> tommstein: No problem :)
[06:17] <^TheCrono> i want a /home and a linux/system parition, both are ext3 right?
[06:17] <tommstein> you saved me some frustration
[06:17] <JoshOvki> Thats good to know :) i will have to make up for the lack of frustration with the people in work though
[06:18] <JoshOvki> yes
[06:18] <JoshOvki> and a  swap file
[06:18] <^TheCrono> and the /home dirt points to mountpojiint /home correct?
[06:18] <JoshOvki> which is set to  swap
[06:18] <^TheCrono> er
[06:18] <^TheCrono> the /home/ pertition points to the /home mountpoint
[06:18] <^TheCrono> right?
[06:18] <JoshOvki> are you manualy doing your partitions?
[06:18] <JoshOvki> yes thats right
[06:19] <^TheCrono> manually yes, there will be 4 partitions
[06:19] <^TheCrono> where does system mount point to?
[06:19] <JoshOvki> \
[06:19] <^TheCrono> the one kubuntu will be on
[06:19] <^TheCrono> ok
[06:19] <^TheCrono> swap points to?
[06:19] <JoshOvki> ummm :S   yeh
[06:19] <JoshOvki> :P
[06:19] <^TheCrono> swap points to / also>?
[06:19] <^TheCrono> \
[06:20] <JoshOvki> i think that can stay empty
[06:20] <JoshOvki> aslong as it is set to swap
[06:21] <^TheCrono> 60gb is 60000 MB right?
[06:21] <JoshOvki> yeh
[06:21] <JoshOvki> 60, 000, 000, 000 byets :P
[06:21] <^TheCrono>  /home/will be 60 gb, swap 2gb and system 6 gb..and 10gb left over incase i need windows
[06:21] <^TheCrono> on an 80gb hard drive
[06:22] <JoshOvki> i would make system a bit bigger, because every program that is installed goes into that area
[06:22] <^TheCrono> you can't run them from /home/?
[06:22] <JoshOvki> i wouldnt
[06:22] <JoshOvki> you dont really get to set where they install
[06:23] <^TheCrono> well, everyone earlyer said  even 5gb was mroe than enough for kubuntu
[06:23] <reverend_joshua> kopete doesn't seem to be loading my AIM contact list
[06:23] <JoshOvki> mine is on a  80GB HD and its set to   30gb  /home  2gb Swap    15gb System  and the rest is a FAT32 so i can use it for swapping data between linux and windblows
[06:23] <reverend_joshua> is there a setting i can change so it will load my contact list?
[06:23] <JoshOvki> really?:S as soon as you start putting anything big in it dies
[06:24] <^TheCrono> they said put it in /home/
[06:24] <^TheCrono> idk i'll just do what my plan was and well see, i can always reinstall
[06:24] <vincent_> Hello All
[06:24] <^TheCrono> hello
[06:24] <vincent_> Crono, was it you who had the install problem yesterday?>
[06:24] <JoshOvki> give it a go, but i have never had any success in installing programs to home
[06:24] <^TheCrono> the 60gb /home/is primary or logical?
[06:25] <^TheCrono> nah,i wasn't here yesterday [do you mean abotu 7 hours ago?
[06:25] <vincent_> nah, must have been crusis or something
[06:25] <vincent_> my mistake :)
[06:25] <JoshOvki> primary i think. no 100% tho
[06:25] <JoshOvki> been a while since my last install
[06:25] <^TheCrono> dunno, intelilike said my plan was ok
[06:25] <vincent_> anyone else have problems with pidgin? it just sorta hangs when i try to connect
[06:26] <corinth> Does anyone know how to assign volume + and - keys for kmix-kde4?
[06:26] <JoshOvki> vincent_ mine is connected ok
[06:26] <JoshOvki> corinth  try   #kubuntu-kde4
[06:26] <vincent_> ahh k thanks JoshOvki, one day ill get kubuntu fully working :D
[06:26] <corinth> Thanks!
[06:26] <^TheCrono> i'll do 10/50  for system/home
[06:26] <JoshOvki> vincent, same here
[06:27] <^TheCrono> i would do jsut 60 for system..but someone said that wasn't a good idea
[06:27] <vincent_> :p
[06:27] <JoshOvki> TheCrono that should be ok then
[06:27] <vincent_> but hey; at least ubuntu has great community support
[06:27] <^TheCrono> primary is the one the computer boots from right?
[06:27] <^TheCrono> thank god
[06:27] <^TheCrono> that would make system primary
[06:27] <^TheCrono> ?
[06:28] <vincent_> are you talking about primary and slave crono?
[06:28] <^TheCrono> i'm creating a partition..it says "type for new partition primary/logical"
[06:28] <^TheCrono> for the 50gb /home/
[06:28] <vincent_> ahh
[06:28] <^TheCrono> as i understand it, one is primary and all other partitions are logical no?
[06:29] <vincent_> no idea, i thought you were talking about something else.. sorry ^TheCrono :(
[06:29] <^TheCrono> i'll make system primary and the rest logical
[06:29] <^TheCrono> nah, not multiple hardrives
[06:31] <^TheCrono> so now i got dev/sda1   ext3    /   10kmb
[06:31] <calcmandan> hey guys.
[06:31] <^TheCrono> next is /home/
[06:31] <^TheCrono> hey
[06:31] <vincent_> hey calcmandan
[06:31] <calcmandan> i hope everyone is having a great day.
[06:31] <calcmandan> or evening.
[06:31] <^TheCrono> i am sorta
[06:31] <vincent_> i am, thanks :D
[06:32] <vincent_> well, itd be better if i could get pidgin working, lol
[06:32] <calcmandan> for months, if not the last year, i've been using a little screenshot trick that I got used to using on a mac when i worked for apple.
[06:32] <calcmandan> i use kopete
[06:32] <vincent_> kopete kept crashing for me, as soon as it would open it crashed
[06:32] <calcmandan> that sucks.
[06:33] <calcmandan> did you get it via repo or via the website?
[06:33] <vincent_> repo
[06:33] <calcmandan> try getting the app through the website, and install it manually.
[06:33] <^TheCrono> should i ptu the free 17mb in as just another partition..or leave it free..it exist incase i need windows
[06:33] <vincent_> should i get it via werb?
[06:33] <^TheCrono> 17gb*
[06:33] <vincent_> ahh k thanks calcmandan.. should i uninstall the kopete i have now?
[06:33] <calcmandan> why not?
[06:33] <calcmandan> you can always redownload it later.
[06:33] <calcmandan> just apt-get remove kopete
[06:33] <vincent_> nah i mean the version of kopete
[06:34] <vincent_> ah thanks
[06:34] <calcmandan> i need help myself.
[06:34] <^TheCrono> if i have an empty ntfs file system partition..i can use it to store files via kubuntu right?
[06:34] <JoshOvki> i gotta, go. got work soon
[06:34] <calcmandan> using kubuntu...
[06:34] <^TheCrono> like picuters/music
[06:34] <vincent_> whats up? im pretty new, but ill try!
[06:34] <vincent_> yeh sometimes crono
[06:34] <vincent_> i have problems with it every now and then
[06:34] <vincent_> but on the whole it works
[06:34] <JoshOvki> Catch ya all later. Goodluck TheCrono
[06:34] <vincent_> cya JoshOvki
[06:35] <^TheCrono> i can change it from ext3 to ntfs later?
[06:35] <calcmandan> on a mac, the key combo is alt-$, and highlight an area and you get a screenie of that area on the desktop named screenshot001.png, 002.png, etc
[06:35] <vincent_> i dont think so ^TheCrono
[06:35] <calcmandan> well, i've been using the same key combo
[06:35] <JoshOvki> TheCrono not without losing it all
[06:35] <genii> ^TheCrono: no
[06:35] <JoshOvki> bye
[06:35] <calcmandan> i tied scrot to the key combo through accessibility settings in kde
[06:35] <^TheCrono> of course,i know i'llloose it, but i am jsut syaing
[06:35] <^TheCrono> i can change it later right?
[06:36] <^TheCrono> i'm not sure if i'll need windows, but i don't want 17gb of unuseable space
[06:36] <calcmandan> the default name of the file is the date and time of the screenshot
[06:36] <^TheCrono> i'll make ti ext3 for now
[06:36] <calcmandan> i've managed to get it to rename the file to screenshot.png.
[06:36] <^TheCrono> can i invent a mount point like /extra/ or something?
[06:36] <calcmandan> but on the next screen, it doesn't create a new file with screenshot1.png.
[06:36] <vincent_> ohhh...
[06:36] <vincent_> i hear you calcmandan
[06:37] <calcmandan> i was wondering if there is a known switch to rename that will append a number.
[06:37] <calcmandan> on the filename
[06:37] <vincent_> i dont know what it is specifically, but im almost certain there is one
[06:37] <calcmandan> i looked up the man entry for rename and it doesn't describe it
[06:38] <vincent_> have you asked this on the #ubuntu chan?
[06:38] <calcmandan> but if i copy and paste the same item in a directory, it'll automatically append a number on the end of the filename before the extension.
[06:38] <genii> calcmandan: Then likely it does not do it
[06:38] <calcmandan> no.
[06:38] <calcmandan> i know the functionality is there, i just wish it was a bit more intuitive.
[06:39] <calcmandan> i'm sure the osx screenshot app is scrot in disguise.
[06:39] <genii> calcmandan: That is not a feature of the command rename but rather a feature of the file browser you are using
[06:39] <calcmandan> oooooohhhhhhh
[06:39] <calcmandan> genii: what would you suggest?
[06:39] <calcmandan> or am i stuck with date and time on the scrot?
[06:40] <calcmandan> or maybe write my own rename app and add that feature.
[06:40] <calcmandan> but learn c first.
[06:40] <calcmandan> lol
[06:40] <arjuna> what is a alternative to amule?
[06:40] <genii> calcmandan: use mv instead of rename  eg: mv oldname newname
[06:42] <crwlr> im having a brainfart.  how do i setup my computer to be on a workgroup?
[06:43] <genii> crwlr: man smblient may be enlightening
[06:44] <yao_ziyuan> the top priority for kubuntu to really take off: east asian (esp. chinese) language display and input
[06:44] <yao_ziyuan> or else it won't be used
[06:46] <genii> yao_ziyuan: Well, perhaps find us some developers willing to work on it ;)
[06:46] <yao_ziyuan> genii: there is an easy: follow what ubuntu exactly does for installing chinese language support and "complex script inputting"
[06:46] <calcmandan> genii: mv has the numbered option with --backup. is that what you're implying?
[06:47] <genii> calcmandan: It has many useful options :) But yes
[06:48] <genii> yao_ziyuan: Since ubuntu uses gnome and kubuntu uses kde it is not quite that simple to implement as what it may seem
[06:49] <yao_ziyuan> genii: for input, the problem is with the SKIM package
[06:49] <yao_ziyuan> genii: for display, the problem is that kubuntu does not ship with a good enough chinese font like ubuntu does
[06:49] <vincent_> hey, before i tarnish my near-perfect working kubuntu, is compiz-fusion any good?
[06:49] <calcmandan> vincent_: I know how you feel about that.
[06:50] <calcmandan> vincent_: but i don't know.
[06:50] <yao_ziyuan> genii: ubuntu's chinese font is with a minor problem. i suggest both variants use the open source "wenquanyi" fonts
[06:50] <genii> yao_ziyuan: The fonts are not so hard to fix, SKIM is another matter
[06:50] <vincent_> calcmandan: ive heard really good things about it, i might give it a whirl
[06:50] <yao_ziyuan> genii: if i install ubuntu and then chinese language support and then kubuntu-desktop, i can use the chinese input methods well in kde
[06:50] <calcmandan> i'm running dapper/
[06:50] <calcmandan> lts
[06:51] <calcmandan> haven't grown the balls to upgrade .
[06:51] <genii> vincent_: You can go back from compiz --replace of course with kwin --replace
[06:51] <calcmandan> probably won't until the next lts comes out
[06:51] <yao_ziyuan> genii: that is directly using scim, without skim.
[06:51] <calcmandan> i can't get wireless to work with any of the live discs.
[06:51] <vincent_> kwin replace?
[06:51] <genii> vincent_: kwin --replace              yes
[06:52] <vincent_> ohh perfect
[06:52] <vincent_> im gonna get it as soon as i get pidgin workin
[06:52] <vincent_> thanks genii
[06:52] <genii> vincent_: alt-f2 then kwin --replace                      to replace default kde window manager if after doing   alt-f2 compiz --replace        no good/want to switch back
[06:53] <vincent_> ill write that one down ^^
[06:53] <genii> yao_ziyuan: Perhaps make mention in #kubuntu-devel , that is where the developers hang out
[06:56] <^TheCrono> can i enable the restricted drivers for ati, while using the live cd?
[06:56] <^TheCrono> after i install it
[06:56] <^TheCrono> kubuntu
[06:57] <^TheCrono> !ati
[06:57] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:57] <genii> ^TheCrono: You can, but not to the installed system, only to what the livecd runs.
[06:57] <Jonyjack> hello everybody
[06:57] <genii> Well, not easily to the installed system, lets say
[06:57] <Jonyjack> i have a little problem
[06:58] <genii> !ask
[06:58] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[06:58] <Jonyjack> is there any french people ???
[06:58] <^TheCrono> hrm, i don't have system > Administrator
[06:58] <kalorin`> nope
[06:58] <kalorin`> they're all dogs :)
[06:58] <kalorin`> (french jokes)
[06:58] <Jonyjack> :p
[06:58] <^TheCrono> !fr
[06:58] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[06:58] <kalorin`> <---- I _SLAY_ me :)
[06:58] <Jonyjack> thanks
[06:58] <kalorin`> good luck jony
[06:59] <Jonyjack> :)
[06:59] <^TheCrono> So what's up with this? Do i need to go somehwere for the restricted driver manager?
[06:59] <Jonyjack> everybody is dead on kubuntu-fr :(
[06:59] <^TheCrono> i check in System..i didn't see Administrator
[06:59] <jussi01> ^TheCrono: system settings -> advanced -> restricted driver
[06:59] <^TheCrono> or, do i ahve to be on HD install for that option?
[06:59] <^TheCrono> ah,ok
[07:00] <Jonyjack> i just want to know how create un new user compt to install KDE 4.0
[07:00] <Jonyjack> just create un user compt
[07:00]  * genii tape kalorin ` sur la tête avec un grand petit pain
[07:00] <Jonyjack> lool
[07:00] <vincent_> anyone know how to fix a reading error in pidgin?
[07:01] <genii> Jonyjack: cest: sudo adduser <nom>
[07:02] <Jonyjack> merci
[07:02] <Jonyjack> merciiiiiii ça marche et comment je lui met un mot de passe ???
[07:03] <Jonyjack> please
[07:03] <genii> Vous êtes très bienvenus
[07:03] <genii> hmm
[07:03] <calcmandan> okay,  back to my original question.  here is my current map of scrot: scrot -s -e 'mv $f /home/rydan/Desktop/'  Now, I'd like to utilize mv in such a way that: scrot -s -e mv $n screenshot.png '$f /home/rydan/Desktop/' will append a number to the end of the filename body.  i tried the switch according to the man page, but nothing shows up.  what am i doing wrong?
[07:03] <jussi01> !en | Jonyjack
[07:03] <ubotu> Jonyjack: The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[07:04] <Jonyjack> ok ok
[07:04] <Jonyjack> so
[07:04] <genii> Jonyjack: Je ne suis pas ici pendant longtemps aujourd'hui. J'exige du sommeil.
[07:04] <Jonyjack> how i can set any password on a user compt
[07:04] <genii> jussi01: sORRY
[07:04] <jussi01> :)
[07:04] <genii> Bah capslock
[07:04] <Jonyjack> genii> good night ^^
[07:04] <genii> Jonyjack: :)
[07:05] <thecrono> it installed flawlessly
[07:05] <thecrono> :D
[07:05] <jussi01> Jonyjack: system settings -> user management?
[07:05] <thecrono> no for restricted drivers
[07:05] <jussi01> thecrono: :)
[07:06] <sigma> how do i change konq's default download location from my home folder to the desktop?
[07:06] <thecrono> do i need to reboot after ati restricted drivers are installed?
[07:06] <thecrono> i guess so, brb
[07:06] <sigma> thecrono: i think you need to restart x server so yeah a reboot would be best
[07:07] <Jonyjack> jussi01: >thanks
[07:07] <jussi01> :)
[07:08] <thecrono> i got an error
[07:09] <thecrono> No command arguments supplied!
[07:09] <thecrono> Usage: kdesudo [-u <runas>] <command>
[07:09] <thecrono> KdeSudo will now exit...
[07:09] <thecrono> :(
[07:09] <thecrono> is that bad?
[07:11] <ol_dude67> kde4 is not working, wont even sign on to it, how do i just remove it?
[07:11] <jussi01> thecrono: no, what did you do?
[07:12] <ol_dude67> keeps taking me back to loggin screen
[07:12] <jussi01> ol_dude67: can you login to kde3?
[07:12] <ol_dude67> im on it now
[07:12] <thecrono> i gotit, i logged out of admin
[07:13] <jussi01> thecrono: :)
[07:15] <squid0> hi. certain screensavers don't work on my laptop running gutsy kubuntu
[07:16] <ol_dude67> got it
[07:16] <ol_dude67> thanks anyways
[07:16] <squid0> most of the screensavers that say (GL) at the end don't work. why is this?
[07:16] <jussi01> squid0: sounds like you dont have 3d enabled
[07:17] <jussi01> squid0: which gfx card you have?
[07:17] <ol_dude67> squid0, what video card?
[07:17] <squid0> intel 82852/855GM
[07:17] <squid0> using the intel driver, afaict
[07:18] <squid0> do I need to enable something in xorg.conf?
[07:18] <squid0> or what?
[07:21] <ol_dude67> are you using the 810 driver for that?
[07:21] <squid0> yeah, the i810 driver
[07:21] <squid0> should it be the intel driver?
[07:22] <squid0> * should I be using the intel driver?
[07:22] <ol_dude67> no i810 is what you want
[07:22] <squid0> ok.... so then how come 3d accel doesn't work?
[07:22] <ol_dude67> there is a setting tho, im trying to remember what it is.
[07:22] <squid0> ok....
[07:22] <ol_dude67> well im going back threw my notes, try google, i think thats where i found it.
[07:23] <squid0> thanks, ol_dude67
[07:23] <squid0> i'm googling meanwhile
[07:25] <squid0> ol_dude67: should I load certain modules in xorg.conf? glx? GLcore?
[07:25] <ol_dude67> you may have to set something in xorg.conf file, but im sure not thinking what the heck it is?
[07:26] <ol_dude67> its been a year since i have messed with it.
[07:26] <squid0> hmmm
[07:26] <squid0> ok. do you have the same card?
[07:26] <ol_dude67> i have the 945gz which uses the same driver
[07:27] <thecrono> is there any way to apply a sound to say..a button click?
[07:27] <thecrono> or to other actions
[07:27] <squid0> ok
[07:28] <thecrono> !mp3
[07:28] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:28] <jussi01> thecrono: just try opening an mp3 in amarok
[07:28] <thecrono> i doubt it will work right away
[07:28] <thecrono> and i don't have an mp3 :D
[07:28] <thecrono> let me downlaod one from my site
[07:29] <thomas_> you guys have audio probs?
[07:29] <masequis> anyone know of a good 3-d gfx benchmark for linux?
[07:29] <thecrono> not sure yet thomas_
[07:29] <squid0> ol_dude67: I don't know if this is related, but when I run compiz I see this in the output: Checking for Xgl: not present.
[07:29] <thomas_> well. i have since the last update
[07:30] <thomas_> and im almost new to Linux :X
[07:30] <thecrono> http://tindeck.com/audio/my/diyn/Abscond
[07:30] <ol_dude67> squid0, that is what you have to change in your xorg.conf file. let me check and see what exactly it is.
[07:30] <thecrono> does anyone have a 'stream'option btw?
[07:31] <jussi01> thecrono: what do you mean?
[07:31] <vincent_> hey has anyone else had the problem with kopete crashing on startup??
[07:31] <thecrono> there should be a download option and a stream ooption
[07:31] <squid0> ol_dude67: meaning, I should add xgl under the driver section?
[07:31] <thomas_> prompst me to download Flash :o
[07:31] <thecrono> thats one of my songs btw
[07:32] <thecrono> what?
[07:32] <jussi01> thecrono: on that page? yeah, i do
[07:32] <thecrono> the page doesn't need flash
[07:32] <thecrono> ok, thx
[07:32] <thecrono> i don't though
[07:32] <thecrono> ah wait, yes i do..man i don't like konquerer
[07:33] <thecrono> time to get firefox
[07:33] <ol_dude67> squid0, yes and see if that works, or you have to modify the xorg,conf
[07:33] <squid0> ol_dude67: ok
[07:33] <squid0> ...
[07:33] <ol_dude67> try that first
[07:33] <arjuna> what is the biggest p2p network? e donkey?
[07:33] <thomas_> omg. everything is new to me here. even this IRC Client, Konversation
[07:33] <thomas_> i guess there are some other channels here
[07:34] <thecrono> well i saved the mp3 to my desktop..but..its noton my desktop, infact, nothing is
[07:34] <squid0> ol_dude67: do you know what case it's in? Xgl, XGL, or xgl??
[07:34] <ol_dude67> XGL
[07:34] <ol_dude67> i would believe