[00:26] <askand> Hi, I see lots of bugs about computer freeze with jaunty but all of them mentions Intel graphic cards, anyone knows if there is a freeze bug reported by someone who does not have intel?
[00:27] <BUGabundo> askand: I had several for 4 days with nvidia
[00:27] <BUGabundo> seems to have stop now
[00:27] <askand> BUGabundo: Did you do anything to stop it?
[00:28] <BUGabundo> no... just reconfigured xorg
[00:28] <askand> Seeing this bug on both nvidia and ati
[00:28] <askand> are you using propriatary nvidia drivers?
[00:28] <BUGabundo> hardware prb?
[00:28] <BUGabundo> yes I am
[00:29] <askand> I dont think its a hardwareproblem, I installed Intrepid instead and had no freezes since, when in Jaunty I got them a lot
[00:30] <askand> Does it freeze if you give the command strace gedit?
[00:31] <BUGabundo> if I timeout, yes
[00:31]  * BUGabundo goes for the kill
[00:33] <askand> I made a bugreport 364524 , but I have no idea of the random freezes and the freeze we can make with strace gedit is related
[00:33] <BUGabundo>  !ping
[00:33] <BUGabundo> ok im still here
[00:33] <BUGabundo> askand: I had to kill strace gedit
[00:33] <askand> ahh I see
[00:33] <BUGabundo> system crawld down to a potato chip
[00:34] <askand> do you think its related to the random freezes some people are experiencing?
[00:37] <BUGabundo> don't know
[00:45] <BUGabundo> dtchen: ping
[00:45] <BUGabundo> dtchen: are you here?
[00:45] <BUGabundo> running strace for askand, left me without sound! restarting PA doesn't fix it
[00:46] <Ampelbein> BUGabundo: speakers turned on? ;-)
[00:46] <BUGabundo> lol
[00:47] <BUGabundo> Ampelbein: they were, up until 15 min ago
[00:47] <BUGabundo> Connection failure: Timeout
[00:47] <BUGabundo> now I can't even connect to PA
[00:47] <askand> Sorry :-X:)
[00:47] <BUGabundo> askand: np.
[00:48] <BUGabundo> there goes my uptime
[00:48] <Ampelbein> fwiw: my system freezes with nvidia when running strace gedit
[00:48] <BUGabundo> of "up 1 day,  8:53"
[00:48] <Ampelbein> but killing strace with signal 9 from terminal gives me back control
[00:49] <BUGabundo> Ampelbein: and leaves me without PA
[00:49] <BUGabundo> Ampelbein: its not a complete freeze
[00:49] <BUGabundo> just loss of control
[00:49] <BUGabundo> atop showed no special usage of MEM, IO, or CPU
[00:50] <Ampelbein> yeah, something like it intercepts events.
[00:50] <BUGabundo> I guess I found the first bug post Final release
[00:50] <Ampelbein> my sound works still fine
[00:51] <BUGabundo> this can't be good
[00:51] <BUGabundo> now I can't even kill exaile
[00:51] <Ampelbein> trying on eeepci with intel gives same freeze, sound still working, too.
[00:52] <BUGabundo> :(
[00:56] <jameswf> all of my reported bug made it through the beta and RC untouched
[00:56] <jameswf> oh well
[01:48] <bcurtiswx> Happy 9.04 Day to all!
[01:49] <bcurtiswx> Best wishes on our 9.10 Journey as bug triagers!
[02:46] <mrooney> oh no, I can't install sun-java6-jre on ARM
[02:47] <mrooney> I wonder what alternatives I have
[02:47] <Kangarooo> xubuntu 9.04 pidgin ...                 cliking on url not opening ...           Messege Unable to open URL
[02:47] <Kangarooo> The browser command "mozilla 'http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad'" is invalid.
[03:17] <Kangarooo> what tools are used 4 bug reporting? pplgins 4 pidgin like luanchpad plugin and imagebin plugin and capture image and upload to imagebin plugins?
[06:29] <dholbach> good morning
[06:32] <greg-g> good morning dholbach!
[06:32] <dholbach> heya greg-g
[06:33] <greg-g> release day go well for you?
[06:33] <YoBoY> hi
[06:34] <dholbach> yeah, everything's great and I'm looking forward to the release party already
[06:35] <greg-g> good deal :)
[08:43] <pan1nx> do you guys get email messages from the new bugs submitted?
[08:47] <kklimonda> anyone could look at bug 365352? I'd like to close it one way or another.
[08:48] <pan1nx> kklimonda I'll chceck it
[08:49] <pan1nx> no idea
[08:49] <pan1nx> you should bring it to python guys
[08:57] <pan1nx> kklimonda you should confirm that bug 365352
[08:59] <kklimonda> pan1nx: Should I? I always thought that a bug should be confirmed by another person.
[09:05] <pan1nx> kklimonda I didn't noticed that you were the reporter
[09:05] <pan1nx> I confirmed it for you :D
[09:05] <pan1nx> thanks kklimonda
[09:05] <kklimonda> It was reported by someone else to me but he didn't have 9.04 to check it so I did it.
[09:06] <kklimonda> you think it is a duplicate? or what does likely-dup stand for?
[09:07] <pan1nx> probably there will be something related to it
[09:07] <pan1nx> I have a feeling...
[09:08] <kklimonda> I'm afraid that more people will have some subtle bugs with our python2.6.. this change to python packages location was pretty heavy..
[09:08] <pan1nx> I checked for now, and there is none, but I agree with you that probably they will soon be more :D
[09:12] <pan1nx> kklimonda, I move it to low priority as I don't see any core components affected by it, yet...
[09:15] <kklimonda> pan1nx: yup, i agree - it doesn't affect our packages at all as they are installed in /usr/lib/ anyway.
[12:09] <pan1nx> anyone from the ubuntu-dev-tools to look into this bug 365998?
[13:19] <weather15> Is there a bug in ubuntu 9.04 trying to access the windows network?
[14:32] <danbhfive> hello, I'm getting a bad image error (only the internal md5sum complains).  Anywhere I can report this bug?
[14:33] <danbhfive> er, let me rephrase: I think the UNR image is bad.  Where should I report this?
[14:33] <Ampelbein> bdmurray: i have made some changes to your bugsquad-standard-replies, see http://paste.ubuntu.com/157223/ .
[14:35] <Ampelbein> danbhfive: did you compare the md5sums and noticed any difference or does the installer complain?
[14:36] <danbhfive> Ampelbein: the overall md5sum checks (downloaded it twice), the torrent checking process checks out.  The md5sum which checks individual packages is the one that fails
[14:37] <Ampelbein> danbhfive: i think then the bug should be filed against debian-installer
[14:37] <danbhfive> Ampelbein: really?  ok
[14:44] <danbhfive> Ampelbein: can you elevate the importance of a bug?  because I think this is pretty release critical
[14:50] <hggdh> danbhfive, we can raise the importance; you yourself can... but we nned to have the bug # ;-)
[14:51] <danbhfive> bug 366086
[14:52] <danbhfive> I filed under debian-installer, but I don't think that's correct
[14:53] <hggdh> hum. it is not the md5 checksum that fails, but the ppp package that is missing
[14:54] <danbhfive> well, Ill attach what is there
[14:54] <hggdh> danbhfive, which image did you download?
[14:55] <danbhfive> I'll clarify in the bug report, but the UNR image
[14:58] <hggdh> danbhfive, I agree debian-installer does not seem to be correct, but I am unsure right now on where to point to. So... let's leave it for a while as d-i
[15:00] <hggdh> danbhfive, so... the ppp package is at ./pool/main/p/ppp/ppp_2.4.5~git20081126t100229-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[15:00] <hggdh> ?
[15:03] <thekorn> for me it looks like a dup of bug 365795
[15:04] <thekorn> altough you seem to have more information in your bugreport
[15:04] <thekorn> danbhfive, ^
[15:04] <james_w> thekorn: yeah, looks like it to me
[15:05] <james_w> this is also being discussed in -devel, can we keep it to one channel please?
[15:05] <thekorn> and also bug 360925
[15:06] <hggdh> james_w, OK.
[16:14] <davideotape> Hi guys
[16:16] <davideotape> Just looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage#Kernel%20related%20bugs , and it doesn't say what the correct kernel related package for jaunty is. I assume it's linux, so shall I go ahead and edit that in?
[16:25] <bdmurray> davideotape: yes it is linux since hardy-ish I think
[16:25] <bdmurray> davideotape: so if you could write it since Hardy that'd be ideal
[16:28] <davideotape> bdmurray: Thanks for that, I was just checking the package 'linux' was still being used. I've added jaunty in now, and everything before jaunty was already there.
[17:08] <BUGabundo> dtchen: ping
[17:08] <BUGabundo> are you online ?
[17:09] <Ampelbein> bdmurray: you noticed? [15:33:44] bdmurray: i have made some changes to your bugsquad-standard-replies, see http://paste.ubuntu.com/157223/ .
[17:12] <BUGabundo> Ampelbein: remember my audio sound prob after strace?
[17:13] <BUGabundo> still haven't fixed it :(
[17:13]  * BUGabundo blames askand
[17:13] <Ampelbein> BUGabundo: i remember...
[17:15] <Ampelbein> BUGabundo: but as i can't replicate i'm unable to help you fix it... sorry
[17:18] <BUGabundo> I know!
[17:18] <BUGabundo> very strange
[17:19] <BUGabundo> even after 2 reboots, no sound
[17:19] <BUGabundo> how can a strace gedit cause that?
[17:21] <hggdh> well, it probably did not
[17:21] <BUGabundo> hggdh: damn coincidence then
[17:24] <Ampelbein> BUGabundo: try with the alsa-info script and paste url here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[17:24] <BUGabundo> eheh
[17:24] <hggdh> BUGabundo, heh. If it helps any, my sound is now very low, even when I put it to max
[17:24] <BUGabundo> don't you think I already did?
[17:24] <BUGabundo> hggdh: was working fine until last night
[17:25] <BUGabundo> when askand was having trouble with strace, and asked for confirmation
[17:25] <BUGabundo> after I run it, audio stopped...
[17:25] <hggdh> now... there seems to be a bit to too much coincidence
[17:54] <bdmurray> Ampelbein: I think we might need 2 standard replies.  One for linux on Jaunty and one for linux before Jaunty if that makes sense.
[18:00] <Ampelbein> bdmurray: ah, you are right. we should have with the old text for intrepid and before. didn't think of that.
[18:06] <whyking> I just upgraded kubuntu to jaunty, rebooted, but now, many kde applications crash when trying to start them. apps like: konsole, konqueror, dolphin
[18:10] <Ampelbein> whyking: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport#How%20to%20enable%20apport and report a bug.
[18:13] <jjesse_> dang it my membership in ubuntu-bugsquad expired, anyone on to re grant me that?
[18:14] <bdmurray> jjesse_: do you mean bug control?
[18:15] <jjesse_> bdmurray: yes i did sorry bout that
[18:15] <jjesse_> some how my filter sent that email to a folder i don't check alot
[18:25] <mrooney> hm is bug 365798 an issue anyone knows about?
[18:26] <hggdh> mrooney, I did not have the cpu freq applet in. I just added it in, and will see
[18:27] <hggdh> no, seems to be working (just flipped from 1.6G to 800M)
[18:31] <mrooney> hggdh: thanks, what processor do you have?
[18:32] <BUGabundo> hggdh: you need to setui the applet to control the CPU
[18:32] <BUGabundo> its not enabled by default
[18:33] <BUGabundo> and kernel GURUS say its bad for userspace to set the speed!
[18:33] <BUGabundo> CPU _should_ always be auto sense of its need, ie, ondemand
[18:34] <mrooney> BUGabundo: he said it is working fine
[18:35] <BUGabundo> let me try to open the bug
[18:35] <BUGabundo> slow network... BT images
[18:36] <hggdh> mrooney, I have an AMD64 x2
[18:37] <hggdh> BUGabundo, it is already setuid root
[18:37] <BUGabundo> hggdh: did you run it once in the past?
[18:37] <BUGabundo> $ dpkg --reconfigure gnome-applet
[18:37] <hggdh> BUGabundo, not since early jaunty
[18:38] <hggdh> and I am only watching the CPU freq scaling ;-)
[18:39] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: are you sure  cpufreq-applet has to be setuid root?
[18:40] <kklimonda> oh, its selector
[18:41] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: AFAIK yes. it requires ROOT to change cpu scalling
[18:42] <BUGabundo> it would be bad if any user could change it
[18:42] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: it is used by cpufreq-applet?
[18:42] <kklimonda> i ask because it isn't setuid here anymore and cpufreq-applet works just fine (ie. i can switch governors etc.)
[18:43] <kklimonda> i remember that cpufreq-selector had to be setuid in the past
[18:43] <kklimonda> but I wonder if something changed when they moved to policykit
[18:43] <mrooney> it asked for my password when I attempted to change it
[18:43] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: strange
[18:43] <BUGabundo> I'll test on a clean install
[18:44] <kklimonda> yeah, there is a policykit entry for org.gnome.cpufreqselector
[18:44] <kklimonda> it would be awesome
[18:44] <kklimonda> one less setuid app
[18:44] <hggdh> anyway, the package is wrong in the bug
[18:44] <BUGabundo> nice
[18:45] <hggdh> and I am confused. Which applet are we talking about?
[18:45] <hggdh> cpufreq-applet?
[18:46] <kklimonda> setuid is for /usr/bin/cpufreq-selector
[18:46] <kklimonda> and i think it is used by cpufreq-applet
[18:46] <BUGabundo> I'm talking about CPU Frequency Scaling Monitor 2.26.0
[18:49] <hggdh> yes. I looked too fast... hald-addon-cpufreq is setuid root, cpufreq-applet is not
[18:50] <hggdh> BUGabundo, I have v 2.26.1, not 2.26.0
[18:50] <BUGabundo> its what the About says
[18:50] <BUGabundo> bug? lol
[18:51] <triciens> hi there
[18:51] <triciens> this room looks a bit more sane than #ubuntu
[18:52] <triciens> I recently filed a bug report for Ubuntu 9.04: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/366225
[18:52] <triciens> anyone care to chat about it?
[18:53] <BUGabundo> triciens: yes it does.... luckly
[18:53] <BUGabundo> but don't go tell anyone
[18:53] <BUGabundo> plus this is not for support, but bug triage
[18:54] <hggdh> cannot reproduce, triciens . We will need more data
[18:55] <triciens> thanks for replying hggdh. I'm a newly converted Window's user, so I'm not sure how to give more data. I would be happy to help if you can tell me how.
[18:57] <hggdh> triciens, it looks like either X did not restart (if set to do so), or X died, or something got confused, and you ended up on the wrong virtual terminal
[18:57] <BUGabundo> lol black screen with white text, aka TTY
[18:57] <hggdh> yay
[18:58] <BUGabundo> triciens: open a terminal and run the following
[18:58] <triciens> hggsh: what is X?
[18:58] <BUGabundo> apport-collect -p xorg 366225
[18:58] <btm> Can a triager take a look at Bug 361560 please? I think it needs attention ASAP before more peopel start upgrading to 9.04
[18:58] <BUGabundo> triciens: X is the windows server, its what you usually call Windows evenryment
[18:59] <triciens> bugabundo, roger that
[18:59] <triciens> terminal open
[18:59] <hggdh> triciens, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures, specifically, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Debugging
[18:59] <triciens> ty hggdh
[18:59] <BUGabundo> hggdh: if it is GDM what would he need?
[19:00] <hggdh> triciens, what BUGabundo proposed is actually better.
[19:00] <hggdh> BUGabundo, then we would have to see what happened before asking for more data
[19:00] <hggdh> so your request is very much on target
[19:01] <triciens> I get the following message in the terminal: Please install the package "python-launchpadlib
[19:01] <BUGabundo> LOLOLOL
[19:01] <BUGabundo> isn't it install by default?
[19:01] <secretwz> hi
[19:01] <BUGabundo> bad pitti
[19:01] <triciens> is there a quick way to install?
[19:01] <BUGabundo> triciens: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[19:01] <BUGabundo> pleaase
[19:02] <james_w> BUGabundo: that still won't install it
[19:02] <BUGabundo> that is if you have ubuntu and not other flaovur
[19:03] <BUGabundo> james_w: so its left for triager to request the install?
[19:03] <triciens> ubuntu-desktop is already the newest version.
[19:03] <triciens> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 7 not upgraded.
[19:03] <hggdh> pedro_, is tracker under desktop-bugs?
[19:03] <BUGabundo> triciens: quick way: sudo apt-get install python-launchpadlib
[19:03] <james_w> well it tells you to install it
[19:03] <BUGabundo> james_w: but not HOW!
[19:03] <james_w> well file a bug requesting that then
[19:04] <hggdh> yes. Methinks it is worth one
[19:04] <triciens> Processing triggers for python-support ...
[19:04] <triciens> it has stopped at the above
[19:04] <BUGabundo> james_w: too much info to be on apt
[19:04] <hggdh> triciens, it may take a while
[19:04] <BUGabundo> oh wait it would be a apport bug!
[19:05] <triciens> hggdh, roger
[19:05] <BUGabundo> ok will file it latter
[19:05] <BUGabundo> busy... have to run in a bit
[19:05] <BUGabundo> hggdh: can you file it for me please?
[19:05] <hggdh> BUGabundo, it would be on command-not-found, I think
[19:05] <hggdh> Will do
[19:05] <BUGabundo> humm would it ?
[19:05] <james_w> no
[19:05] <BUGabundo> sub me to the bug!
[19:05] <james_w> it would be on apport
[19:05] <BUGabundo> yeah I would go with apport
[19:06] <hggdh> oh, OK, it was on apport-bug
[19:06] <triciens> hggdh: I don't believe it is doing anything. My machine is not slow.
[19:06] <BUGabundo> its it that shows that message
[19:06] <hggdh> heh. I am really, really slow today (slow == stupid)
[19:06] <pedro_> hggdh: in matters of getting bug mail, no is not, but the desktop folks take care of it
[19:07] <pedro_> hggdh: the list of packages for desktop bugs is at : https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~desktop-bugs/+packagebugs
[19:07] <hggdh> pedro_, thanks. There is bug 361560 that seems to be hitting a lot of people
[19:08] <BUGabundo> hggdh: is it? haven't heard much on it
[19:08] <triciens> guys, how much access should I give Launchpad?
[19:09] <hggdh> BUGabundo, have a look at it ;-)
[19:10] <james_w> triciens: "change non-private data" should do it
[19:11] <triciens> james_w: thank you
[19:11] <triciens> "To finish authorizing the application identified as         apport-collect to access         Launchpad on your behalf you should go back to the application window         in which you started the process and inform it that you have done your         part of the process.       "
[19:11] <triciens> how do I do that?
[19:11] <BUGabundo> bbl dinner and doing a jaunty presentation latter
[19:11] <james_w> go back to the terminal and hit "enter"
[19:11] <james_w> you should see it asking you to do that
[19:12] <triciens> james_w: yes, it's uploading data to launchpad now
[19:12] <triciens> i think it's finished
[19:13] <triciens> oh that's cool. My bug report now has much more information in Launchpad
[19:13] <triciens> That will hopefully help fix it
[19:14] <triciens> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/366225
[19:15] <james_w> wow that's a lot of attachments :-)
[19:16] <james_w> triciens: what method do you use to log out?
[19:16] <triciens> james_w: I clicked on my username in the top right corner of screen, then clicked "Log Out"
[19:16] <james_w> triciens: cool
[19:16] <james_w> triciens: is the machine in that state now?
[19:17] <triciens> yes
[19:17] <james_w> ok
[19:17] <james_w> please use "ctrl+alt+f2"
[19:17] <james_w> then "ctrl+alt" and each F key up to 7
[19:17] <triciens> ok, i pressed that. Screen went black for a second but came back
[19:17] <james_w> and look for anything interesting
[19:18] <james_w> interesting would be more log messages or similar
[19:18] <james_w> most of them will be pretty blank
[19:19] <triciens> wow, that was scary
[19:19] <james_w> heh :-)
[19:19] <triciens> nothing interesting I'm afraid
[19:19] <james_w> damn
[19:20] <james_w> do you know which screen was the one that you saw when you logged out?
[19:20] <james_w> it will probably be F1 or F7
[19:21] <triciens> i think i just got the black screen with white text that I attached to the bug report
[19:22] <james_w> triciens: yeah, it doesn't really matter though
[19:23] <james_w> triciens: I can get you back to an X session, and then you can attach a couple of other files that will be useful
[19:23] <triciens> okay, lets do it
[19:23] <james_w> if you get to a screen that has "login" on it
[19:23] <james_w> you should have seen some of those as you went through the F keys
[19:24] <triciens> so you want me to press ctrl alt F1?
[19:24] <james_w> yeah, that should do it
[19:24] <triciens> and then what?
[19:24] <james_w> it should say "login"?
[19:24] <triciens> yes
[19:24] <james_w> ok
[19:24] <james_w> type in your username and hit enter
[19:24] <james_w> then it will ask for your password
[19:24] <james_w> give that too
[19:25] <james_w> then you should get a terminal prompt
[19:25] <triciens> yes
[19:25] <james_w> ok
[19:25] <james_w> now you need to type "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart"
[19:26] <triciens> I can get to the prompt by pressing ctrl alt F1, and I get back here by pressing ctrl alt F7
[19:26] <james_w> which will ask for your password
[19:26] <triciens> can i copy and paste that or do i have to remember it?
[19:26] <james_w> what you are doing with the F keys is changing "virtual terminals"
[19:26] <triciens> oh
[19:26] <james_w> you probably don't have a mouse
[19:26] <james_w> oh, hang on
[19:26] <triciens> hanging on...
[19:27] <james_w> you are talking on the same machine that has the problem?
[19:27] <triciens> yes
[19:27] <james_w> oh
[19:27] <triciens> lol
[19:27] <james_w> don't do that then :-)
[19:27] <triciens> it would restart PC?
[19:27] <james_w> I thought you were on a different machine, sorry
[19:27] <james_w> it would restart X, so you would lose any open windows and things
[19:27] <james_w> sorry about that :-)
[19:28] <triciens> no problem
[19:28] <triciens> there is another PC in this room I can use to get into this IRC
[19:28] <james_w> ok, please attach /var/log/gdm:0.log and /var/log/gdm/:0.log.1 to the bug report
[19:28] <triciens> if you give me a minute I will fire it up
[19:28] <triciens> how do I attach that?
[19:28] <james_w> from the bug webpage
[19:29] <james_w> there's a link at the bottom to add a comment
[19:29] <james_w> under that is a form to attach something
[19:29] <triciens> and I click that and browse, but where are these log files?
[19:30] <james_w> Start from "File system" on the left
[19:30] <james_w> then "var", then "log" etc.
[19:32] <triciens> done
[19:32] <triciens> I have to go eat now
[19:32] <triciens> do you think someone will be able to solve the bug?
[19:35] <james_w> there's certainly a lot more useful information now
[19:35] <change> exit
[19:36] <james_w> there's no obvious errors in those logs though unfortunately
[19:49] <hggdh> triciens, out of curiosity, can you see what you have under /var/crash? pastebin it here
[19:49] <hggdh> !pastebin
[20:02] <triciens> hggdh: I don't have anything in the crash folder
[20:04] <hggdh> triciens, OK, it was worth a try -- if one of your apps had crashed, it would be there...
[20:05] <triciens> thanks, i will try to remember that for the future
[20:07] <triciens> so who fixes bugs? volunteers? Canonical?
[20:08] <james_w> anyone that wants to
[20:08] <james_w> or "no-one" if you believe some people :-)
[20:08] <triciens> lol
[20:08] <triciens> and if someone says they have fixed a bug, do other people check to make sure they have done a good job and not created 10 new bugs?
[20:09] <hggdh> we do try, triciens, we do try ;-)
[20:09] <triciens> good good
[20:10] <triciens> are xorg bugs seen as quite important? xorg is to do with windows and things?
[20:12] <hggdh> triciens, X is what gives you the graphical environment. Without X you are down to the command-line...
[20:13] <hggdh> and yes, xorg is what we use, and what gives you the windows, and all of that
[20:14] <james_w> yeah, they are important, but there are also lots of them, so it's difficult
[20:18] <triciens> k
[20:30] <bdmurray> wow, no more page loads for unmarking as privacy and security!
[20:31] <kees> \o/
[20:38] <triciens> I've just downloaded the ATI catalyst control centre for Linux. I double click the to try to install it but I get a 'Launch Application' box asking me to choose a program to open it with. Anyone?
[20:39] <Elbrus> triciens: these questions are better asked in the #ubuntu channel
[20:40] <triciens> Elbrus, the Ubuntu channel is crazy. I have been in there.
[20:43] <hggdh> still, triciens, you should not expect a response for this type of questions here. We deal with bug triaging *only* here.
[20:44] <triciens> okay, fair enough. Didn't realise it was so strict!
[20:45] <triciens> back to the jungle I go....
[20:45] <hggdh> heh. We have to be, otherwise we will end up flooded (er, like #ubuntu?)
[21:14] <dtchen> BUGabundo: pong
[21:15] <BUGabundo> dtchen: hi
[21:15] <BUGabundo> dtchen: no audio :(
[21:15] <BUGabundo> running a strace gedit
[21:15] <BUGabundo> killed it
[21:15] <BUGabundo> no idea why or how
[21:16] <BUGabundo> let me run an update apport alsa for you
[21:16] <dtchen> what do you mean by "killed it"?
[21:18] <BUGabundo> dtchen: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/366346
[21:18] <BUGabundo> dtchen: killed it as in, no longer works
[21:18] <BUGabundo> pa -k ; start--pulse ; doesn't help either
[21:19] <BUGabundo> pauvcontrol shows no app publsing sound either
[21:19] <dtchen> so you can't get pulse to work, ok. does alsa itself work?
[21:19] <BUGabundo> but mic to speakers *does* work
[21:19] <dtchen> so alsa works, ok.
[21:19] <dtchen> that is really quite the opposite of "no audio"
[21:20] <BUGabundo> haven't tried alsa yet
[21:20] <BUGabundo> let me give it a test
[21:21] <BUGabundo> duh!
[21:21] <BUGabundo> stupid volume controls
[21:21] <dtchen> right
[21:21] <BUGabundo> alsamixer had master at 50%
[21:21] <BUGabundo> but it shows at 100% on gnome volume applet
[21:21] <BUGabundo> setting alsamixer to 100% brings sound again
[21:22] <dtchen> check which mixer perspective you're tracking in g-v-c
[21:22] <BUGabundo> let me test exail
[21:23] <BUGabundo> dtchen: doesn't work
[21:23] <BUGabundo> no sound ...
[21:24] <dtchen> killall pulseaudio; pulseaudio -vvv
[21:24] <dtchen> play something using exaile, pastebin the pulseaudio spew
[21:24] <BUGabundo> G-V-C is set to HDA intel (alsa mixer)
[21:25] <BUGabundo> I heard some pings from pidgin for a sec, but then stop working agin
[21:27] <hggdh> bug 353846
[21:28] <BUGabundo> ok
[21:28] <BUGabundo> I just heard pidgin ping
[21:28] <BUGabundo> lol
[21:28] <BUGabundo> but exaile no..
[21:28] <BUGabundo> let me try totem
[21:28] <BUGabundo> totem is working dtchen
[21:29] <BUGabundo> let me try exaile again from cli
[21:29] <BUGabundo> dtchen: and now its working
[21:29] <BUGabundo> guess alsamixer did the trick
[21:29] <BUGabundo> but why did it get out of sync with GVC ?
[21:30] <dtchen> good question. it's probably the age-old gnome-media bits.
[21:30] <dtchen> it *could* be locking in the mixer interface, but that would be suspect.
[21:31] <BUGabundo> I'll have to make a clean isntall for KK
[21:31] <BUGabundo> hggdh: you could have mention the package name in the subject
[21:31] <dtchen> it's difficult to say, because we're not running the latest alsa code, so we have a crackton more debugging
[21:32] <BUGabundo> and I still have that stupid blur sound every time I terminate my session
[21:32] <BUGabundo> its really bad when I'm in a public place
[21:32] <BUGabundo> lol
[21:32] <dtchen> i'm not particularly concerned with those symptoms
[21:32] <BUGabundo> I know
[21:33] <BUGabundo> im the single person to mention it
[21:33] <dtchen> no, it's more that ubuntu ships mismatched components in the audio stack
[21:33] <dtchen> until that changes, people will experience massive problems
[21:34] <BUGabundo> ah that
[21:34] <BUGabundo> so will KK have full sync?
[21:34] <dtchen> for audio, at least, one probably wants jaunty+1 month
[21:34] <BUGabundo> or is it hard past featurefreeze ?
[21:34] <dtchen> karmic probably will face the same problems
[21:35] <BUGabundo> yeah
[21:35] <BUGabundo> once we freeze and still bring a few stuff to fix concrete probs
[21:35] <dtchen> a *huge* number of bugs are wiped out simply by using the latest stable alsa userspace and pulseaudio
[21:36] <dtchen> a further portion is wiped out by using the pcm_lib changes that will be SRUd
[21:37] <BUGabundo> eheh I'll be here testing KK by then
[21:37] <BUGabundo> lol
[21:37] <BUGabundo> any new on when tool chain opens?
[21:37] <BUGabundo> already saw them on archive
[21:37] <BUGabundo> . pool... and LP db
[21:38] <dtchen> the toolchain is building
[21:49] <hggdh> BUGabundo, what package?
[21:53] <hggdh> BUGabundo, ah you are talking about bug 353846?
[22:53] <torkiano> hello BUGabundo ;)
[22:53] <BUGabundo> torkiano: hi
[22:53] <BUGabundo> please ping dtchen, and let him know about your audio probs
[22:54] <torkiano> BUGabundo, ok, thank you
[22:54] <BUGabundo> dtchen: ping
[22:55] <BUGabundo> dtchen: torkiano recording volume is too low
[22:55] <torkiano> dtchen, XPS m1330 here
[22:57] <torkiano> It seems that it's a reported bug: bug 275998
[22:58] <BUGabundo> torkiano: $ apport-collect alsa-base 275998
[23:00] <BUGabundo> that's a very old and very mess report
[23:00] <torkiano> BUGabundo, wonderful command
[23:00] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:00] <BUGabundo> thanks pitti for all the work with it
[23:01] <BUGabundo> hggdh: did you file the bug for the lib?
[23:01] <torkiano> It should be very visible in the lanchpad page
[23:02] <BUGabundo> no need
[23:02] <BUGabundo> bug triagers ask for it when needed
[23:02] <hggdh> BUGabundo, yes, I did
[23:02] <BUGabundo> but so you know any bug you want to file start it with $ ubuntu-bug PACKAGE
[23:03] <BUGabundo> hggdh: id? the one I saw you giving here was for MIR
[23:03] <hggdh> BUGabundo, no, this one was opened my pitti early in April
[23:03] <theuser1> can i got back to the previous driver of intel that was working?
[23:03] <hggdh> BUGabundo, bug 366254
[23:03] <theuser1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/304871?comments=all
[23:03] <BUGabundo> ahhh didn't see that one
[23:04] <theuser1> i think its the driver. because i upgraded distro. it was working in the previous. now in new. some desktop effects are also n
[23:05] <theuser1> i cant play any video with any player. kubuntu 9.04. when i click a movie two times. first player windows shows blue screen. the other works good. then i close the first one to watch the movies. whats happening ?it was working i