[07:51] <FloodBot3> Uand: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[07:51] <Alex___> I thought you were referring to one of those mini netbook thingamajigers?
[07:51] <erikk71> did anyone waych british open
[07:52] <Cyber_Akuma> Oh
[07:52] <Uand> grawity: ?
[07:52] <Drumroll> Alex___: Maybe, but as I said, 7 is supposed to be the best of both in one.  Only time will tell though.  So far though, I'm digging Ubuntu because it'll do all the fancy stuff that 7 will with ease.  The only POSSIBLE reason to switch back was if 7 was just SOOOO amazing that tons of people went back and Linux lost major support.  But...  I don't see that happening anytime soon.
[07:52] <Cyber_Akuma> Yeah, I though you were responding to my desktop specs
[07:52] <Alex___> Does anyone know how to make dvd::rip make a VOB all in one file instead of splitting it into 1 gig segments?
[07:52] <Cyber_Akuma> think of it this way Drumroll
[07:52] <andrew__> hello
[07:52] <Cyber_Akuma> epeople HAVE to upgrade soon from xp
[07:52] <andrew__> need a little help using compriz
[07:53] <Cyber_Akuma> including major corporations
[07:53] <Cyber_Akuma> the chances of these going to linux or osx are low. ESPECIALLY corporations
[07:53] <Alex___> Drumroll: Unfortunatly I can't get away from windows. I do all the Crysis and Witcher etc. All the newest games =P
[07:53] <Cyber_Akuma> especialyl with 64bit apps
[07:53] <Cyber_Akuma> they won't be goign to vista
[07:53] <andrew__> don't know how to get the Cube effect to do its thing
[07:53] <erikk71> i got anyyoed with virus problem
[07:53] <Uand> how can i detect my Screen ?
[07:53] <Cyber_Akuma> Right now my Xubuntu livecd is doing something very dangerous
[07:53] <grawity> andrew__: In the Cube settings should be a tab for keyboard shortcuts.
[07:54] <Cyber_Akuma> moving, resisizing left, and resizing right my vista partition at the same time XD
[07:54] <erikk71> wat u mean dangerous
[07:54] <andrew__> ok...cool...brb
[07:54] <Threetimes> bucky: Since I do not have a tiglusb module, how do I install it?
[07:54] <OttifantSir> Alex___: You said you never had a crash with Windows. In my own experience, from Windows 3.0 to Windows 7, you can't have turned on your machine.
[07:54] <Alex___> Cyber_Akuma: Now... don't quote ME on this... but according to one of my teachers... He thinks Linux will end up winning because it runs a high percentage of servers. And he thinks everything is moving to cloud computing which means it all goes to the linux servers.
[07:54] <erikk71> u need to have spare hard drive
[07:54] <bucky> Threetimes: i'm not sure that's the missing element...
[07:54] <Cyber_Akuma> servers are mostly linux, yes
[07:54] <Cyber_Akuma> but, servers are a small percentage of computrrs
[07:55] <nomad77> why don't you guys take it to ubuntu-offtopic or #windows if its avail.
[07:55] <Alex___> OttifantSir: I've only used XP and Vista. and I have had one crash on XP... and I never turn my comp off lol
[07:55] <grawity> Cyber_Akuma: I have read on oldnewthing that some companies still have 16-bit apps written in Visual Basic, or even DOS-based apps, that they absolutely must need to work on the OS they use.
[07:55] <Drumroll> Alex___: WINE FTW!  I've been playing a ton of the latest games on my Linux system VIA WINE and even better than on Windows to boot! :P
[07:55] <Cyber_Akuma> majority of home systems AND majority of workstations (which likely make up the biggest amoutn of pcs) are windows
[07:55] <erikk71> servers i thought alot were freebsd
[07:55] <Alex___> Cyber_Akuma: We're talking about when everything moves to cloud computing
[07:55] <Uand> hello /
[07:55] <Uand> ?
[07:55] <Uand> anyone can help me ?
[07:56] <bucky> Threetimes: look at this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=912717
[07:56] <Alex___> Drumroll: Hmm... I'll have to try it out more.
[07:56] <Cyber_Akuma> It will never be a 100% trasition
[07:56] <Alex___> Uand: What's the problem?
[07:56] <roflparrot> Uand: Please ask your question again, with good grammar.
[07:56] <erikk71> freebsd still handles yahoo an msn
[07:56] <Cammy> I'm using an Amiga
[07:56] <grawity> OttifantSir: I can confirm that Windows XP was quite stable for me. (I care about what I install.)
[07:56] <OttifantSir> nomad77: Yeah, you're right. Will shut up on this now. But a LITTLE ranting now and then is good. Back to helping people... :-D
[07:56] <Cammy> Because my Ubuntu PC crapped itself
[07:56] <Uand> ubuntu cant detect my Screen
[07:56] <grawity> roflparrot: Dude, this is #ubuntu. Good grammar is over there in ##linux
[07:56] <nomad77> Uand: try looking in system,restricted drivers maybe. whats your graphics card
[07:56] <Cyber_Akuma> cgi studios, dev studios, and serious gamers will still want their own system
[07:56] <Uand> GeForce 5200 fx
[07:56] <Cyber_Akuma> which will likely be more powerful than their share of the cloud
[07:56] <Alex___> I agree
[07:56] <Cammy> And the Windows partition was overrun by a virus
[07:57] <Alex___> But the average consumer
[07:57] <Uand> it works some mintus ago
[07:57] <Uand> i use the ccms
[07:57] <grawity> Cammy: Like, a physical Amiga?
[07:57] <Alex___> which is what? 80%? 90%?
[07:57] <Cyber_Akuma> by then I dont see the point of a computer
[07:57] <Cammy> Yeah, a 17 year old A1200
[07:57] <Cyber_Akuma> for the average consumer
[07:57] <Cyber_Akuma> they will just be using cloud cellphones
[07:57] <roflparrot> grawity: good point
[07:57] <grawity> Cammy: Hmm. Do you think I could make IRC work on WinUAE?
[07:57] <Cammy> It's the only way I can chat while I wait for the two-hour long installation of Ubuntu
[07:57] <Cammy> Yeah easy
[07:57] <Cyber_Akuma> the tegra chip costs $99 and can do 1080p video, had dual cpu and dual gpu, tegra phoens are coming out THIS YEAR
[07:58] <Cammy> Download AmiKit and it has WookieChat preinstalled
[07:58] <Alex___> Cyber_Akuma: That's on a PHONE??
[07:58] <Uand> why u dont answer?
[07:58] <Cyber_Akuma> there are already digicams in japan with picorojectors that can almost project a 50 inch 720p image
[07:58] <MrPiracy> does anyone know how i can set awn to be used only in gnome?
[07:58] <Drumroll> Alex___: WINE makes the programs think that they are running on a Windows OS eve though they're not so that you can load them onto your Linux system and play them from it.  And since at this point most Linux OSes are far lighter in resource requirements than Windows 7, it'll allow you to play your games better than ever before.
[07:58] <Cyber_Akuma> I 100% assure you
[07:58] <Cammy> IT's like a Workbench setup for UAE. Or there's AROS, the open-source AmigaOS
[07:58] <Uand> why u dont answer?
[07:58] <nomad77> Uand: try this http://www.howtoforge.com/enabling-compiz-fusion-on-an-ubuntu-9.04-desktop-nvidia-geforce-fx-5200
[07:58] <grawity> Cammy: And if I want to use the real Workbench?
[07:58] <roflparrot> Cyber_Akuma: I think that the money makers will always find ways to make the world dependent upon them
[07:58] <nomad77> it has pics
[07:58] <Cyber_Akuma> n less than 5 years there will be, out on the consumer market, cellphones that cna project probably 42 inch screne 720p images
[07:58] <Alex___> Drumroll: I know about wine, but the 3 programs I tried on it a while back didn't work, so I never touched it again.
[07:59] <Cyber_Akuma> theres yoru cloud computer :)
[07:59] <Cyber_Akuma> one sec Alex___
[07:59] <Alex___> Cyber_Akuma: And I thought the new enV3 was nice =P
[07:59] <Cyber_Akuma> have two iunteresting links to show you about that
[07:59] <Cammy> Yeah, you can install it all yourself if you know your way around, just download the Workbench ADF images
[07:59] <Uand> no!!
[07:59] <Uand> my prblem is that my PC cant detect my Screen!!
[07:59] <grawity> Hmm, I seem to have Workbench 3.1
[07:59] <erikk71> amiga needs to go x86 or 64
[07:59] <Uand> thats why it uses 640X480 resulution
[08:00] <Cammy> My Ubuntu 9 CD has an error on ONE file, so it refuses to install, so I have to use my Ubuntu 8 CD :(
[08:00] <Cammy> Yeah, 3.1 is sufficient
[08:00] <KoolD> join ##php
[08:00] <roflparrot> Uand, have you tried googling the problem on the Ubuntu forum?
[08:00] <erikk71> thats wat 90 percernt of desktop users are running
[08:00]  * grawity googles for LinuxUAE
[08:00] <Threetimes> bucky: that's definately not my problem. He doesn't get any error like mine: "tilp: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libticables2.so.1: undefined symbol: usb_debug"
[08:00] <roflparrot> most issues are covered in threads
[08:01] <nomad77> Uand: so install the nvidia driver.the link shows how to enable it ignore the compiz stuff
[08:01] <Threetimes> brb
[08:01] <Cammy> erikk71: 90% of desktop users are using 640x480 still?
 Cyber_Akuma: That's on a PHONE?? <--- this tegra1 chip will be for phones AND netbooks, it uses max 1.25 watts of power, usually under 1 watt, it can power an mp3 player for DAYS on a single charge. And on top of this, its dual cpu, dual gpu, and several otehr processors. Tegra based phones will be out by late 2009...... and it gets better :)
[08:01] <Cyber_Akuma> tegra2 has been announced for 2010, twice as powerful
[08:01] <Uand> i cant goole
[08:01] <Uand> i cant use it
[08:01] <Cammy> I guess it must include PCs in poor countries
[08:01] <erikk71> i mean use intel x86 cpu
[08:01] <Uand> with this resulution
[08:01] <Uand> !!
[08:01] <Cammy> Oh
[08:01] <erikk71> not power pc
[08:01] <Cyber_Akuma> http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/06/19/we-ask-what-is-tegra-and-why-does-it-matter/
[08:01] <Cyber_Akuma> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNu4CluFOcw
[08:01] <FloodBot3> Cyber_Akuma: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:01] <Drumroll> Alex___: Games have had more success on WINE than any other type of programs so far.  I think they even have a version of WINE specifically target at games, but I forget what it's called at the moment.  I ran Left4Dead on Ubuntu here, just a day ago. :P
[08:01] <Cyber_Akuma> two very interesting links about the tegra :)
[08:02] <Cammy> I'm using a Motorola 68030 50Mhz
[08:02] <roflparrot> Uand, that is unfortunate and amusing.
[08:02] <Uand> i cant install the driver
[08:02] <erikk71> unix has year 2038 problem
[08:02] <Alex___> Drumroll: Hmm... Now I have to get another bigger HDD >.> lol
[08:02] <Uand> but it already installed
[08:02] <kutio> Hey, I have a bug with ubuntu jaunty, When I display a notification, this notification appears as a GtkMessageDialog, with the same code with debian I don't have this problem, I think there is a bug in notify-osd, what do you think about it ?
[08:02] <Uand> can u google that for me ?
[08:02] <dravekx> I need to change a file in the opt directory, but I dont have permission.. how do I edit and save the file without having permission to do so????
[08:02] <bucky> Threetimes: you should /join #ModernCalcs there's only 5 people in there right now but they'd prolly know the answer right off if they are awake
[08:03] <grawity> erikk71: By the time 2038 comes, most of us will be using completely-64-bit stuff.
[08:03] <erikk71> do u mean
[08:03] <grawity> dravekx: If you opened it with gedit, open this way instead: gksu gedit /opt/blah/blah
[08:03] <erikk71> unix will be no more
[08:03] <dravekx> ahhh. kk.
[08:03] <nomad77> so run nvidia-xconfig then nvidia-settings via sudo set it properly
[08:03] <Cyber_Akuma> errr, got those links Alex___? :)
[08:03] <grawity> erikk71: No, 64-bit Unix.
[08:03] <nomad77> !nvidia
[08:03] <Uand> here
[08:03] <Uand> Just went through this. To get the screen detected I needed to edit the grub boot options and remove the "quiet" and "splash" options then the screen got detected properly.
[08:03] <Uand> its says
[08:04] <FloodBot3> Uand: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:04] <grawity> erikk71: Like, with 64-bit timestamps. (At least I hope so...)
[08:04] <Alex___> Cyber_Akuma: *Drools* And why do you need 1080P on a little cell phone screen. lol
[08:04] <Uand> how do i edit the grub ?
[08:04] <Cyber_Akuma> Alex___: let me put it this way
[08:04] <Uand> Just went through this. To get the screen detected I needed to edit the grub boot options and remove the "quiet" and "splash" options then the screen got detected properly.
[08:04] <Cyber_Akuma> the current tegra dev kits have dual hdmi out
[08:04] <Cyber_Akuma> :)
[08:04] <andrew_> ok...still can't seem to use cube effect...any help is much appreciated
[08:04] <erikk71> every one says unix kernel will faDE AWAY\
[08:04] <Uand> Just went through this. To get the screen detected I needed to edit the grub boot options and remove the "quiet" and "splash" options then the screen got detected properly.
[08:05] <Uand> answer plz!
[08:05] <nomad77> Uand: use sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:05] <erikk71> the hurd is joke
[08:05] <Uand> thx i try
[08:05] <Cyber_Akuma> I can't believe how smooth the video in youtube works though, the 3d rendering or keeping up with the video is not lagged at ALL
[08:05] <kutio> Hey, I have a bug with ubuntu jaunty, When I display a notification, this notification appears as a GtkMessageDialog, with the same code with debian I don't have this problem, I think there is a bug in notify-osd, what do you think about it ?
[08:05] <andrew__> hello
[08:05] <andrew__> trying to use cube effect in compriz...no success
[08:05] <andrew__> yet
[08:05] <andrew__> please help
[08:06] <erikk71> I tried TUDOS cd
[08:06] <erikk71> interesting cd
[08:06] <Alex___> Cyber_Akuma: You know... I've never even watched any movies etc in HD on my desktop rofl...
[08:07] <erikk71> when will firefox 3.5 be able upgrade firefox 3.0
[08:07] <Alex___> Cyber_Akuma: The only graphic intensive thing I do is Crysis ;)
[08:07] <grawity> erikk71: On 9.10 (Karmic), or if you use Ubuntuzilla. (Or if you install 3.5 manually.)
[08:07] <andrew__> slart...you still her?
[08:07] <andrew__> here even
[08:07] <Slart> andrew__: sure
[08:08] <erikk71> shiretoko
[08:08] <andrew__> any advice for how to use the cube?
[08:08] <erikk71> is wats it branded as
[08:08] <Cyber_Akuma> alex: videogames will start to have hd fmvs :P
[08:08] <erikk71> is 9.10 a beta release
[08:08] <Cyber_Akuma> and di you see the video? its not the quality of the rendering, but rather HOW its rendering it
[08:08] <Slart> andrew__: set 4 horizontal desktops.. that's in the general settings area in ccsm, then enable the cube plugin and set a keyboard key for it
[08:09] <Cyber_Akuma> its augmented reality! displaying 3d buildings in realtime over a flat 2d image
[08:09] <Cyber_Akuma> and even putting npcs walking around on it
[08:09] <Alex___> Cyber_Akuma: I've only watched a short part of the vid. was mostly reading
[08:09] <andrew__> ok...brb
[08:09] <andrew__> thanks
[08:09] <Cyber_Akuma> did you at least get to the part where he shoots zombies? :P
[08:09] <Cammy> My Ubuntu installation has been sitting at 90% "Configuring hardware..." for about ten minutes
[08:09] <roflparrot> Uand:  #nvidia and #ggi might be helpful to you
[08:10] <Cyber_Akuma> Basically, hes pointing his tegra based phone on a flat 2d image.... the phone is rendering 3d builsinds, civilans, and zombies over the video of the 3d in realtime, and theres no lag as he moves the phone around
[08:10] <Cyber_Akuma> buildings*
[08:10] <roflparrot> Uand:   I see you are playing with the bootloader, I was just suggesting channels that might be helpful
[08:10] <erikk71> its still in aplha
[08:10] <Alex___> Drumroll: According to appdb.winehq.org Crysis doesn't run on 9.04 on wine =(
[08:11] <DJones> erikk71: Its still an Alpha release
[08:11] <Cyber_Akuma> ouch alex :(
[08:11] <Cyber_Akuma> 9.04 is like, starting ot become the vista of ubuntu
[08:11] <Cyber_Akuma> broken ati support, app incompabilities...
[08:11] <Alex___> Cyber_Akuma: I know, right? lol... 8.10 just worked for me... 9.04 has taken more work... lol
[08:12] <Cyber_Akuma> I have another system that is still 8.04
[08:12] <Cyber_Akuma> because 8.10 is rpoted to not work on it.....
[08:12] <erikk71> i have debian live cd with lxde desktop
[08:12] <Alex___> Cyber_Akuma: I can't wait until Google comes out with Chrome for Linux
[08:12] <Cyber_Akuma> dunno about 9.04
[08:12] <DJones> erikk71: Beta is due 1st October - Full release schedule is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule
[08:12] <Tengu> hello world
[08:12] <roflparrot> I still use 8.10. Laziness more than anything else.
[08:12] <nevyn> Alex___: they ported it from linux
[08:12] <nevyn> it's called konqueror ;)
[08:12] <Cyber_Akuma> I still say Google Chrome OS is a mistake
[08:12] <Cyber_Akuma> they should just make a pc version of android
[08:13] <nevyn> nah.
[08:13] <Alex___> I'll try it when it comes out... but IDK about it.
[08:13] <Cyber_Akuma> heh
[08:13] <R0ncoToke> Alex___, There is a chrome for linux.
[08:13] <Cyber_Akuma> I burned a livecd of an interesting project
[08:13] <grawity> nevyn: IMHO, Konqueror is like Internet Explorer of Linux. Fugly, and is integrated to the file manager.
[08:13] <Cyber_Akuma> Google Android LiveCD x86 ver 0.02
[08:13] <Cyber_Akuma> XD
[08:13] <DJones> Alex___: There is a release of chromium-browser which is what the chrome browser is based on in a ppa
[08:13] <Tengu> question : using jaunty (up-to-date), is there a way to drag a window to another desktop? (i.e. I click on window's title bar, drag it to the right, and when it reaches the edge, hop, it goes to the next desktop on the right)
[08:13] <Alex___> Are you talking about the pre-alpha one R0ncoToke?
[08:13] <Cyber_Akuma> woudlent boot on my laptop but strangely booted fien on my mac mini
[08:13] <R0ncoToke> Cyber_Akuma, I second you.
[08:13] <Tengu> I use a standard ubuntu with gnome.
[08:13] <grawity> Tengu: Doesn't it do that automatically?
[08:13] <Tengu> grawity: nope :(
[08:14] <Tengu> and I didn't find where to set it up
[08:14] <andrew__> I cannot find where to assign keys to launch cube
[08:14] <Alex___> Cyber_Akuma: So... how exactly does it work going from like 8.10 to 9.04 to 9.10 etc?
[08:14] <roflparrot> Tengu i can do that in 8.10
[08:14] <nevyn> grawity: not in kde4 ;)
[08:14] <Tengu> I know xfce can do it, but we have to activate this behaviour.
[08:14] <roflparrot> gnome
[08:14] <Tengu> roflparrot: with compiz maybe ?
[08:14] <grawity> Tengu: If you use Compiz, the compizconfig-settings-manager app can edit pretty much all settings.
[08:14] <Cyber_Akuma> 8.04 I didnt use much
[08:14] <roflparrot> Yeah with compiz
[08:14] <Cyber_Akuma> ... no wait
[08:14] <Cyber_Akuma> that was 7.10
[08:14] <Tengu> grawity: I prefere not to use it....
[08:14] <Cyber_Akuma> 7.10 was a nightmare for me
[08:14] <Tengu> compiz effects are so.... lame -.-
[08:14] <R0ncoToke> Alex___, I was talking about Chromium.
[08:14] <erikk71> mandriva is joke
[08:15] <Cyber_Akuma> wifi, 3d card, sound, nothign worked
[08:15] <Cyber_Akuma> no matter what I tried
[08:15] <grawity> Tengu: You don't have to use any effects.
[08:15] <FloodBot3> Cyber_Akuma: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:15] <erikk71> very slow installing
[08:15] <Cyber_Akuma> 8.04 added sound, and with 8.10, magically EVERYTHING worked, 3d rendering, wifi... it was awsome
[08:15] <Tengu> grawity: mmm. will give it a try. which package do I have to install to set compiz behaviour ?
[08:15] <Cyber_Akuma> ......... then 9.04 broke 3d support again :(
[08:15] <_Apple_> any ideas why the modelines I added aren't working?
[08:15] <grawity> Tengu: I just told you - compizconfig-settings-manager
[08:15] <Tengu> grawity: thanks.
[08:15] <roflparrot> grawity is right, you can select any efects you like, such as dropping windows on new workspaces
[08:16] <AlexisM> hi. I've got some problems using gmailfs. Anyone knows it well ?
[08:16] <andrew__> slart...again...sorry to bug you
[08:16] <grawity> Tengu: Btw, offtopic: If you want, you can use Xfce's xfwm on GNOME.
[08:16] <roflparrot> You don't need to select the glittering exit or whatever
[08:16] <Slart> andrew__: no worries
[08:16] <andrew__> I cannot find where to enable keystrokes to make cube work
[08:16] <Alex___> Cyber_Akuma: The only way I've ever had wi-fi without doing anything in Linux is if I plug an ethernet cable into a Linsys Wireless-G Game Adapter
[08:17]  * Cyber_Akuma wants a WinMo7 based tegra2 phone wth a picoprojector and wvga screen
[08:17] <Cyber_Akuma> my dreamphone :()
[08:17] <Cyber_Akuma> wifi worked out of the box with 8.10
[08:17] <grawity> andrew__: Hmm. They might be in the Viewport Switcher plugin
[08:17] <Alex___> Not on my card
[08:17] <andrew__> brb
[08:17] <grawity> andrew__: Oh, and "Rotate Cube".
[08:18] <Cyber_Akuma> heh, im surprised how open Windows Mobile is on phones actually, I can overwrite and modify any file
[08:18] <Cyber_Akuma> I actually replaced the dialer on my old phone becuse I didnt like it
[08:18] <Cyber_Akuma> just replace phone.exe XD
[08:18] <erikk71> im surprised minix is being developed
[08:18] <_Apple_> any ideas why the modelines I added aren't working?
[08:18] <erikk71> still
[08:18] <erikk71> it crashes alot
[08:18] <Cyber_Akuma> btw, what do you think about ONlive?
[08:19] <Cyber_Akuma> I honestly think they ar elying, I dont see how thats physically possible
[08:19] <erikk71> no wonder linux wrote linux kernel
[08:19] <sanmarcos> how can I generate es_ES locales?
[08:19] <erikk71> linus
[08:19] <Cyber_Akuma> you mean linux?
[08:19] <Cyber_Akuma> heh
[08:19] <Cyber_Akuma> ....
[08:19] <Cyber_Akuma> linus*
[08:19] <FloodBot3> Cyber_Akuma: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:19] <Cyber_Akuma> wow
[08:19] <roflparrot> fslewl
[08:19] <roflparrot> haha
[08:19] <sanmarcos> shit, so much crap is broken in ubuntu..
[08:20] <erikk71> im surprised mo has not forked minix
[08:20] <Cyber_Akuma> you think your ubuntu is bad
[08:20] <Cyber_Akuma> try my ubuntu 8.04 install on my ps3, now THATS broken
[08:20] <Tengu> grawity: oh yeah.  I don't get popups unless you put my nick somewhere in the message
[08:23] <roflparrot> is BSD on the wtfpl?
[08:24] <dub> is anyone able to reach http://packages.ubuntu.com ? (im getting no response from more than one network)
[08:24] <Drumroll> Alex__: http://www.junauza.com/2008/12/yes-linux-can-run-crysis.html
[08:24] <erikk71> wonders if atheos was strpped down version of linux kernel
[08:24] <Slart> andrew__: it's called keybindings.. somewhere in the cube plugin settings there should be a keybinding option
[08:25] <Slart> andrew__: the plugin is called "Rotate Cube".. it's in the Desktop section
[08:25] <Slart> andrew__: you'll probably need both Rotate Cube and Desktop Cube enabled
[08:25] <erikk71> i realize now a days speed is big need
[08:25] <Guest45543> Hi there.
[08:26] <AlexisM> hi
[08:26] <erikk71> has anyone had any virus problem
[08:26] <andrew__> ok...both enabled...now to that keybinding
[08:26] <richardcavell> erikk71: virus problem with what?
[08:26] <erikk71> on ubuntu
[08:26] <Slart> andrew__: in the "Rotate Cube" settings... go to the "Bindings" page/tab
[08:26] <tavi> hy
[08:26] <Guest45543> Whoa, what the heck?
[08:26] <tavi> i have a new keyboard
[08:27] <erikk71> i know there is virus scanner
[08:27] <tavi> and the £ is the sign at 3 instead of other
[08:27] <Guest45543> Um... I'm having a problem with NickServ.
[08:27] <tavi> what i cand do?
[08:27] <Guest45543> I can't seem to indentify with my username.
[08:27] <Slart> Guest45543: ask in #freenode
[08:27] <Guest45543> Thanks. Will do.
[08:27] <Tengu> humpf...
[08:27] <Alex___> How can I figure out what driver I'm using on my gfx card?
[08:28] <Tengu> grawity: do you have a link on how to change gnome default WM ?
[08:28] <Tengu> I guess I have to replace metacity
[08:28] <grawity> Tengu: Just enable "desktop effects" in the Appearance settings, it'll automatically enable Compiz.
[08:28] <Drumroll> erikk71: Avast! makes a virus scan program for Linux, but you're EXTREMELY unlikely to need such a scanner on a Linux-based OS for the time being.
[08:28] <Tengu> grawity: don't want compiz in fact.....
[08:28] <grawity> Tengu: Why not?
[08:28] <Guest11734> Tengu in your terminal : sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[08:29] <soreau> ! virus | erikk71
[08:29] <grawity> Guest11734: That will install the entire Xfce pack, not just Xfwm
[08:29] <Tengu> using it makes me lose all my virtual desktops.
[08:29] <Tengu> Guest11734: thanks.
[08:29] <grawity> Tengu: Compiz has virtual desktops too
[08:29] <Tengu> grawity: yeah.... I know. but broken here, and all those effects, addons, plugins... even if I stop them all, it's heavier.
[08:29] <bullgard4> There are opened 6 Terminals in Guake. There is no GNOME Terminal open. Why does Ubuntu 9.04 13 processes 'bash'? 6 are 'stopped' and 7 'sleeping'. Does Guake need 2 processes 'bash' per TErminal?
[08:30] <p-f> Has anyone else here experienced rendering problems in Matlab on ubuntu? Any 3d figure ends up with a black background and some ghost versions of itself when I rotate it. Pretty much all text also gets garbled. I'm guessing it may be a driver issue, but I'm not sure.
[08:30] <Guest11734> grawity yes but he should be a beginner so ...
[08:30] <erikk71> oncok
[08:30] <j> !bcm43
[08:30] <Drumroll> Alex___: What graphics card does your computer use?  I take you saw the link and are looking into it now? lol
[08:30] <j> !bcm
[08:30] <Slart> p-f: mm.. matlab never really played nice with my linux box
[08:30] <grawity> Tengu: In gconf-editor, it's /desktop/gnome/session/required_components
[08:30] <erikk71> plus linux has 3 percent of desktop users
[08:30] <Spikemcc> j > sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter
[08:30] <Slart> p-f: when it comes to graphics, that is
[08:31] <Tengu> Guest11734: not really beginner, in fact. but I don't use gnome every day, I prefere awesome.... but at work, I _have_ to use gnome -.-
[08:31] <j> Spikemcc: thank you, you know the name of the tools too?
[08:31] <Alex___> Drumroll: ATI Radeon HD 4850... I just downloaded the newest driver... but I wanted to know how to find out what driver version it's using right now.
[08:31] <Spikemcc> I use it too ...
[08:31] <erikk71> linux is thought of as os for geeks
[08:31] <p-f> Slart, the strange thing is it doesn't work well regardless of the renderer I use... be it opengl hardware, software or Iforgotthename
[08:31] <erikk71> in some people eyes
[08:32] <ILMAN7> hi i wanna record my desktop
[08:32] <ILMAN7> how can i do it ?
[08:32] <Spikemcc> erikk71 as a first tough yes, but you will find that it's not really fully true
[08:32] <p-f> Slart, what video card do you have on that box? I recall not having any problems on the lab computers at university...
[08:32] <Tengu> grawity: thanks. done.... let's give it a try.
[08:32] <grawity> Tengu: But if you change it to xfwm4, you will probably need to create a new file in /usr/share/applications/xfwm4.desktop -- mine is http://sprunge.us/UWZN
[08:32] <Slart> p-f: not at all? I sometimes had to just repeat the plotting... it would work 70% of the tries or something like that
[08:32] <Slart> p-f: nvidia 8800gtx
[08:32] <Spikemcc> ILMAN7 recordmydesktop , istanbul or xvidcap choose your poison
[08:32] <ILMAN7> hi
[08:32] <Alex___> erikk71: I think some parts of windows are more complicated and some parts of linux are
[08:32] <erikk71> i am sure with window 7 on the way
[08:32] <ILMAN7> oh thank you
[08:33] <ILMAN7> which one should i chose ?
[08:33] <erikk71> linux will grow more
[08:33] <p-f> Slart, well, it sort of kind of works once in a while but I don't know why
[08:33] <Spikemcc> Alex___ with an old Ati don't go after the LTS but a recent one it's ok ...
[08:33] <Alex___> Spikemcc: sorry... what? lol
[08:34] <boonanas> is their a "view" option for browsing folders of images, so i can have a panel that tells me when the photo was taken using the files exif data when i click on it?
[08:34] <erikk71> i bet in 5 years freedos will hav freedos32 going
[08:34] <grawity> erikk71: and lose compatibility with MS-DOS?
[08:34] <Spikemcc> p-f mostly nvidia cards but Ati begin to have good free drivers and you don't seem to need big 3d
[08:34] <erikk71> no
[08:35] <erikk71> freedos will be there
[08:35] <erikk71> acarchne users
[08:35] <andrew_> ok
[08:35] <erikk71> who like surfing internet in plain dos
F1 is very very bad!
[08:35] <Drumroll> Alex___: I assume you mean in Ubuntu, correct?
[08:35] <grawity> andrew_: why?
[08:35] <Alex___> Drumroll: 9.04
[08:36] <Alex___> Drumroll: 9.04 ubuntu
[08:36] <Spikemcc> for the one that seek to change is WM try openbox in crunchbang linux or lxde Desktop manager that use openbox under ubuntu ...
[08:36] <p-f> Slart, I guess I'll try more recent drivers just in case (if there are any, that is)
[08:36] <andrew_> hello
[08:37] <grawity> andrew_: Ctrl-Alt-F7 takes you back to X11.
[08:37] <erikk71> i see aol is killing plug on compuserve
[08:37] <Guest99976> I tried that keystroke and everything went black and wouldn't come back...had to power down and reboot
[08:37] <Slart> p-f: it doesn't really feel like a driver problem.. more like a "mathworks doesn't care about linux"-problem =/
[08:37] <erikk71> aol ruined alot of wondowe
[08:37] <erikk71> pc
[08:37] <Drumroll> Alex___: I'm not sure...  You probably have to use the specific drivers built for Linux from ATI which is part of the problem ATI doesn't do well in Linux...
[08:37] <Guest99976> why do I keep failing to identify in time??
[08:37] <j> hey guys, i am missing something here, i have made this work before, installed b43-fwcutter, still getting siocsifflags error...can't remeber what eles is needed.
[08:37] <grawity> Guest99976: Ctrl-Alt-(F1-F7) switch virtual consoles. The first six are command-line, the seventh is GUI.
[08:38] <Alex___> Drumroll: I just want to know how I can find out what driver I currently have installed.
[08:38] <Guest99976> ok...well newbiw mistake
[08:38] <p-f> Slart, :/ just curious, do your problems look anything like this? http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=56480
[08:39] <Guest99976> cube rules!!
[08:39] <Guest99976> I actually have a sphere
[08:39] <Spikemcc> j do you have the firmware added ?
[08:39] <ahorner> Hi, I'm a web developer and I was wondering if there was anyway that I create a launcher or something that when a file was dropped on it, it would upload the file in a multipart http form to a certain website?
[08:39] <Slart> p-f: nope.. I just got a blank white plot window
left-click...that's the move!
[08:39] <Guest99976> slart...you there?
[08:39] <grawity> ahorner: It might be possible with a Java applet (I've seen box.net do this), but with pure HTML - no.
[08:39] <p-f> Slart, oh, hrm
[08:39] <Spikemcc> j b43-fwcutter only can be installed by the terminal correctly ...
[08:40] <Slart> Guest99976: yes?
[08:40] <grawity> Guest99976: In your Xchat, go to Network List, choose Freenode, click Edit, enter your password there.
[08:40] <j> Spikemcc: i don't think it is added correctly, if i remeber right, the b43-fwcutter is the firmware, lsmod | grep b43 shows running b43, mac, etc, but wlan0 not showing in ifconfig, but is in ifconfig -a
[08:40] <Guest99976> Slart:  This is Andrew_...but for some reason I keep not identifying in time for my preferre username
[08:40] <ahorner> grawity: I was actually thinking something along the lines of maybe python. An icon on a panel or the desktop that would just send the file as post-data to a serverside script such as something like Imageshack.
[08:41] <grawity> ahorner: Ah, a desktop application. That wouldn't be very hard
[08:41] <ahorner> grawity: What language?
[08:41] <Slart> Guest99976: ah.. how's the cube coming along?
[08:41] <mrpinky> hey, how can i found out what is my ubuntu version? i tried the "system -> about ubuntu" menu but it doesn't show it...
[08:41] <j> Spikemcc: i am fairly comfortable with the terminal, i wouldn't know how to do this any other way.
[08:41] <Slart> mrpinky: lsb_release -a in a terminal
[08:41] <mrpinky> Slart, thanks
[08:42] <Slart> mrpinky: it's listed in the about text too.. but it's kind of sneaky
[08:42] <justin__> hello
[08:42] <Drumroll> Alex___: That's what you have installed.  ATI's driver for Linux.   They only make one as far as I know.  The open source alternative does not support 3D.  Check the drivers in sytem-admin-hardware drivers and see which one is enabled for your card.  That might be why Compiz failed for you because you're using the open source driver that only supporst 2D?
[08:42] <Guest99976> salrt: it works, but is currently a sphere...can you tell me why i keep not identifying in time?  or better yet how I DO identify in time?
[08:42] <mrpinky> how can i / do i upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10?
[08:42] <ahorner> grawity: I was hoping maybe I would find something already created for Tinypic or some other image hosting site and just modify it.
[08:42] <Slart> mrpinky: just below the Ubuntu logo it says "Thank you for your interest in blablabla"
[08:43] <Slart> !upgrade | mrpinky
[08:43] <mrpinky> thanks
[08:43] <Slart> Guest99976: follow the advice grawity gave you
[08:44] <Alex___> "3D-accelerated proprietary graphics driver for ATI cards. This driver is required to fully utilise the 3D potential of some ATI graphics cards, as well as provide 2D acceleration of newer cards."
[08:44] <Alex___> 3D-accelerated proprietary graphics driver for ATI cards.This driver is required to fully utilise the 3D potential of some ATI graphics cards, as well as provide 2D acceleration of newer cards.
[08:44] <Alex___> oops
[08:44] <Alex___> my fault
[08:45] <lorenzosu> I can't connect to an Ubuntu box anymore. Till yesterday I could connect through LAN and VNC. Now I get asked for the first time a password and then eventually I get "Too many security failures" error
[08:45] <Spikemcc> j in the terminal do : 1- sudo apt-get remove b43-fwcutter 2- lspci (check the version of your network card exactly) 3- check on linuxwireless website for b43 instructions
[08:45] <Drumroll> Alex___: So you have that one installed.  Remember, in Linux, you can't install the drivers provided on the sites because that's for a Windows OS.
[08:46] <Alex___> Drumroll: They HAVE a linux version on the site >.> lol
[08:46] <nexsja> Hi, anybody here owns an Asus M50VC laptop?
[08:46] <Spikemcc> for old Atis > ubuntu 8.04.2 LTS for recent ones > 9.04
[08:46] <brwnphysicist> Hey guys. I am attempting to setup wireless masquerading, however, nothing passes through my iptables rules at all, from connected clients.
[08:46] <Tengu> grawity: oh, thanks.
[08:46] <j> Spikemcc: got the firmware in, thanks.  i rushed through and didn't let the extract finish properly, seconf run, worked. it is scanning for dhcp now, without the error.
[08:46] <andrew_> slart:  Grawity:  am confused...haven't been using a password
[08:46] <brwnphysicist> Can anyone give me some pointers on my iptables rules for masquerading?
[08:46] <Guest38155> slart: failed again
[08:47] <Spikemcc> nexsja what do you need ?
[08:47] <grawity> Guest38155: Do you even own the nick "andrew_" ?
[08:47] <nexsja> Spikemcc touchpad :D
[08:47] <nexsja> and other multimedia buttons :))
[08:47] <ceekays> I am trying to setup an tftp server for pxe booting. I'm using Ubuntu 9.04.I'm confused: What is the right file to configure for tftp to work "/etc/xinetd.d/conf/tftp" or "/etc/init.d/tftpd-hpa"
[08:47] <Drumroll> Alex___: That's probably what the Linux version is.  The exact driver that already comes with Ubuntu.  They have it so that other Linux distros that don't have as many pieces of software included (like Ubuntu or Mandriva) can still get it for their OS.
[08:47] <Guest38155> grawity:  I guess not...it just autopopulated from my personal info settings
[08:48] <everettz> Does the accessible installer in 9.04 work?
[08:48] <Guest38155> grawity: so I used it
[08:48] <Tengu> grawity: ah, yeah, that works fine. thank you!
[08:48] <Alex___> Drumroll: All I'm trying to do is make sure I have the most recent driver installed... lol.
[08:49] <grawity> Guest38155: That's the problem with nick registration, all common names are taken by someone.
[08:49] <brwnphysicist> I have the iptables setup identically to the howtos however, i get no traffic through the firewall.
[08:49] <moymoy> Lingerance: heeey! you ARE in here.. xD
[08:49] <Spikemcc> nexsja the touchpad /etc/X11/xorg.conf file as to have informations of it inside ... for the rest I don't know ...
[08:49] <Spikemcc> has ...
[08:49] <Guest38155> grawity...so, how do I register a nick of my own?
[08:49] <nexsja> hm..
[08:50] <Drumroll> Alex___: As long as you're using the proprietary driver from ATI for Linux, it should be the right one.  Any documentation I find regarding ATI drivers says to use that one. *shrugs*
[08:50] <grawity> Guest38155: Pick a nick, change to it (by saying "/nick mynewnick"), and then use /msg nickserv register
[08:50] <nexsja> Spikemcc thanks, i'll check it out. By the way, if i want to write something of my own that interracts with the touchpad, say a program, what should i strat with?
[08:51] <Guest38155> grawity:  using the gui version of xchat
[08:51] <dhaval_> Help! GWget Crashes!
[08:51] <dhaval_> My entire system freezes
[08:51] <grawity> Guest38155: It's still the same.
[08:51] <Guest38155> grawity: ok...brb
[08:52] <dhaval_> hello?
[08:52] <dhaval_> bucky?
[08:52] <richardcavell> okay folks
[08:52] <richardcavell> I just upgraded my instructions on installing Ubuntu on a Mac laptop
[08:52] <bucky> dhaval_: what did i do now?
[08:52] <richardcavell> they're magnificent
[08:52] <dhaval_> Nothing, dude.
[08:53] <dhaval_> I need you!
[08:53] <richardcavell> grawity: I got ssh working
[08:53] <dhaval_> gwget crashes, I need your helP!
[08:53] <neda> hi all. what is the best latex editor in ubuntu?
[08:53] <dhaval_> as always.
[08:53] <neda> hi all. what is the best latex editor in ubuntu?
[08:53] <lorenzosu> I can't connect to an Ubuntu box anymore. Till yesterday I could connect through LAN and VNC. Now I get asked for the first time a password and then eventually I get "Too many security failures" error
[08:53] <KB1JWQ> neda: How non-loaded a question!
[08:54] <bucky> dhaval_: how about just using wget from a term
[08:54] <Spikemcc> Drumroll and Alex___ ubuntu hardy heron 8.04 LTS for old Atis cards !!! I don't tell it for nothing, I got one in my laptop so I'm on 8.04.2
[08:54] <bucky> richardcavell: how about your graphics?
[08:54] <Alex___> Spikemcc: I have their second newest card
[08:54] <richardcavell> bucky: I'm using the default driver. Performance isn't really an issue - I can't run games on this GPU anyway.
[08:54] <KB1JWQ> dhaval_: Or cURL?
[08:54] <ahorner> So.. I want to create a script of some kind (maybe set something as a launcher?) that will let me drag a file onto this launcher and send the file as post-data to my php script on my server. What language should I do this in, and has it already been done?
[08:55] <neda> KB1JWQ: what means non-lsaded?
[08:55] <Spikemcc> Alex___ try envyng on ubuntu 9.04 then
[08:55] <neda> KB1JWQ: what means non-loaded?
[08:55] <dhaval_> I used wget, and it worked fine, but Gwget is better since It acts like sort of a download manager.
[08:55] <richardcavell> neda: He's being sarcastic. He's saying your question is loaded
[08:55] <richardcavell> dhaval_: just use wget.
[08:55] <dhaval_> And one more question, I can't run Nautilus as su
[08:55] <dhaval_> yeah I did.
[08:55] <Spikemcc> I use it on the terminal on 8.04 to install mine ... envyng -t (to open it)
[08:55] <richardcavell> dhaval_: you need a download manager for wget?
[08:55] <j> is ubuntu going to overwrite my network settings from it's network manaager if i restart?
[08:55] <KB1JWQ> neda: Asking questions like that is akin to starting a flame war.  See "loaded question:
[08:55] <dhaval_> Not really,
[08:55] <dhaval_> nevermind richard
[08:56] <Spikemcc> you have to install envyng first ...
[08:56] <dhaval_> Nevermind, I'm comfortable with wget now
[08:56] <bucky> i get Please add -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 to your compile flags!  when i gcc -o hello hello.c  any ideas
[08:56] <dhaval_> How do i run nautilus as su?
[08:56] <dhaval_> I get some huge error, and I don't know what's wrong?
[08:56] <richardcavell> bucky: ask in a gcc channel
[08:56] <neda> I am sorry... I reword my question: any suggestion about a good latex editor in ubuntu?
[08:56] <dhaval_> even gksu didn't work
[08:56] <bucky> ok
[08:56] <Alex___> Spikemcc: I already have a driver, I'm just trying to find out if it's the newest one or not.
[08:56] <Slart> dhaval_: gksudo nautilus... but be very careful with that window..
[08:57] <dhaval_> ok, i'll try gksuDO
[08:57] <dhaval_> Thanks
[08:57] <Slart> dhaval_: I can't really think of a good reason to use it.. other than moving files around as root.. and that can be done from the terminal
[08:57] <Drumroll> spikemcc: That's the problem though.    You shouldn't have to use an old version of an OS just to get your graphics card working.
[08:57] <Spikemcc> Big fan of lxde here ... search about it, you maybe should like if you want easy and light ubuntu ...
[08:57] <richardcavell> dhaval_: there's a special package for using nautilus as su
[08:57] <dhaval_> Yeah, actually that's exactly what I want to use it for
[08:58] <dhaval_> meh, gksudo is fine
[08:58] <richardcavell> dhaval_: look for package nautilus - gksu
[08:58] <dhaval_> What's the difference between gksu and gksudo?
[08:58] <grawity> dhaval_: None.
[08:58] <Spikemcc> Drumroll the real thing is you cannot do a good OS in 6 months ...
[08:58] <dhaval_> I tried GkSu, and i got the dialog box thing, and it didn't work
[08:58] <richardcavell> dhaval_: not a whole lot
[08:59] <Alex___> dhaval_: su you need the root password sudo is your password
[08:59] <grawity> Alex___: But gksu just calls sudo
[08:59] <dhaval_> This is wierd, a while ago nautilus was giving me some crazy huge probelm
[08:59] <ahorner> Can anyone here proficient with Python help me for a few minutes
[08:59] <dhaval_> now even sudo nautilus works.
[08:59] <Alex___> grawity: Oh. Ok =D I just assumed ;) I didn't even know gksu worked =P
[08:59] <dhaval_> Alright, thanks.
[08:59] <Spikemcc> gksudo is bad ... try Pcmanfm (file manager in change of nautilus) it does graphical gksudo ...
[09:00] <dhaval_> Ah here's the problem
[09:00] <Spikemcc> nautilus is big and slow yikes ...
[09:00] <dhaval_> Can't run nautilus from terminal when I'm root
[09:00] <grawity> Spikemcc: why, exactly, is gksudo bad?
[09:01] <dhaval_> su -> [enter password] -> nautilus gives me a crazy error
[09:01] <dhaval_> and SUDO nautilus works!
[09:01] <Spikemcc> gksudo is a command that noobs learns but can destroy their desktop in 1 move ...
[09:01] <dhaval_> what the fudge?
[09:01] <grawity> Spikemcc: So?
[09:01] <Gnea> Spikemcc: what's your point?
[09:02] <grawity> Spikemcc: That would mean rm, fdisk, mkfs and gparted are bad too and should not be used either.
[09:02] <Slart> Spikemcc: is there a difference from sudo?
[09:02] <Interphase> hey I am using rtorrent and it says this torrent has 2 seeds and 7 peers, but I am connected to only one person. What gives?
[09:02] <Slart> Spikemcc: I mean.. sudo can destroy a desktop just as quickly
[09:02] <Phineas_Flynn> Bye bye, ubuntu-ers or watchamacallits...
[09:02] <gartral> is there any way to make tracker work like the search in Mac OSX and have it combine results from a dictionaray/encyclopedia with the files on the drives?
[09:02] <Spikemcc> PCmanFM software (file manager) in change of nautilus should help you both ... but don't do anything without being sure of what you do ...
[09:02] <Phineas_Flynn> Wait, what is this channel for anyway?
[09:03] <grawity> Who cares about PCman or Pacman or whatever. gksu by itself is NOT bad.
[09:03] <Spikemcc> www.ubuntugeek.com as a tutorial about it, if you ant ...
[09:03] <dhaval_> ahh my hand!
[09:03] <dhaval_> Got to go, thank you all.
[09:04] <Spikemcc> sudo is CLI , gksudo is CLI>GUI, Pcmanfm stay in GUI as your file manager and help do hard stuff easily ...
[09:04] <Drumroll> spikemcc: True, but that does not explain the crappy ATI support for Linux these days.  Because ATI has issues with almost ANY modern and properly updated distro of Linux, PLUS, nVida has had NO problems keeping up with Linux.
[09:05] <j> ok, doing well, got wireless network up, mounted remote "movies" directory, now this "Dragon Player" seems to not be playing the file? just black screen and the timer is ticking...
[09:05]  * grawity has a sudden urge to punch someone in the face.
[09:06] <Alex___> j: Have you gotten ubuntu-restricted-extras and the css thingie?
[09:06] <Spikemcc> ATI is bad I know ... but I just telled what to do, if he want it working on ubuntu well ... but every stable release that isn't LTS has problems ...
[09:07] <j> Alex___: i have no idea what you are talking about, so i would guess no, any more info you can provide?
[09:07] <Alex___> j: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras ; sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2
[09:07] <Spikemcc> j > install vlc mplayer miro songbird you should like thems ...
[09:08] <real34> hi all!
[09:08] <Spikemcc> you've forgotten libdvdread3 or 4 depending of the version of ubuntu
[09:08] <indus> hi
[09:09] <real34> I just carried out a fresh ubuntu install but have problems to install java
[09:09] <j> i just downloaded it today, so the newest would be my version.
[09:09] <Gnea> Spikemcc: they all have problems, that's why #ubuntu and www.ubuntuforums.org exist
[09:09] <real34> I think it installs a 64-bit version of java whereas I have a 32-bit system... well I guess :D
[09:09] <indus> real34: thats not possible
[09:09] <indus> real34: what is the output of uname -a
[09:10] <Spikemcc> real34 do your sources.list on the website and do in your terminal sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras after ...
[09:10] <gartral> real34: that shouldnt e possible unless you compiled your own kernel, in which case,we cant help you
[09:10] <real34> Linux ubuntu 2.6.28-13-generic #45-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jun 30 22:12:12 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linu
[09:10] <real34> oh ... so I have a 64 platrform ?
[09:10] <indus> real34: you have installed 64 bit ubuntu
[09:10] <ahorner> Is Python client or server side?
[09:10] <real34> in fact I thought I had a 32 bit one...
[09:10] <Spikemcc> Gnea sad but tree
[09:10] <Spikemcc> true
[09:11] <forceflow> ahorner: depends where you run it ... bit of a strange question
[09:11] <Drumroll> Alex___: If you want the best support for Ubuntu with an ATI card, 8.04 is the best bet.  I'm saying that you shouldn't have to downgrade just to use your graphics card to full potential, but...  That is the reality.  Read this: http://blogs.computerworld.com/the_ubuntu_and_ati_blues
[09:11] <real34> this is the revelation of the day :D
[09:11] <j> libdvdcss2 no installation candidate...
[09:11] <Slart> ahorner: python is a programming language... that's like asking if C++ is for games or applications
[09:11] <Spikemcc> 64 bits is a little harder but better so no pain no gain ...
[09:11] <real34> does it means that my architecture is a 64 bit one and I didn't know about it until now?
[09:11] <Drumroll> Alex___: 8.04 being the version of Ubuntu, not anything related to the driver.
[09:11] <Gnea> real34: what's the output of this command, please? uname -m
[09:11] <real34> (I mean my hardware config)
[09:11] <ahorner> Slart: Ah. Do you know anything about it that you could give me a push in the right direction?
[09:11] <Spikemcc> thanks to understand Drumroll ...
[09:12] <Slart> ahorner: what are you trying to do? or what do you want to know?
[09:12] <gartral> is there any way to make tracker work like the search in Mac OSX and have it combine results from a dictionaray/encyclopedia with the files on the drives?
[09:12] <real34> Gnea: x86_64
[09:12] <padd1> slart, C++ can be used for gaming
[09:12] <Gnea> real34: you have the 64-bit ubuntu installed.
[09:12] <Spikemcc> j done your sources.list or added medibuntu repositories ?
[09:12] <padd1> just a hell of a lot harder
[09:12] <Alex___> Drumroll: That's part of why I'm trying to find out if I have the 9.4 drivers or the 9.6
[09:12] <real34> Gnea: and if it could be installed, then I should have a 64 bit architecture isn't it?
[09:13]  * Slart hands padd1 a cookie.. You're Winner :)
[09:13] <ahorner> Slart: I am trying to find a way to drag and drop a file onto a custom launcher on the gnome panels or an icon on the desktop so that it would send the file in a multipart form to a website.
[09:13] <padd1> thank U Slart
[09:13] <real34> I've always thought my computer was a classic 32 bit one !
[09:13] <j> haven't added medibuntu...is there a list of common sources for buntu's, i know with my old distro, there was a list of common ones i used.
[09:13] <padd1> Slart: look at the DS homebrew library though, some are OK, all from C++
[09:13] <Spikemcc> gartral linux isn't mac os X you should check mac4lin project and ask to peoples that uses it to tell you what they uses ...
[09:13] <gartral> real34: most 64 bit procs can run 32 bit code just fine (if not slightly faster)
[09:13] <Threetimes> Alex___: use aticccle: applications>tools>ati blahblah
[09:14] <Slart> ahorner: it should be possible to do in python... but I don't think it will be a quick evening-job if you're not proficient in python
[09:14] <bloupotlood> hi guys
[09:14] <Spikemcc> Alex___ 9.4 in 9.04 just dream I have tested more than 5 times
[09:14] <bloupotlood> Is there a bulk email solution for Ubuntu 9.04? One of the users's needs to send to 26k contacts.
[09:14] <Blizzerand> !hi |bloupotlood
[09:14] <ahorner> Slart: I have time, but if not python, what other language would be an option
[09:15] <Alex___> Spikemcc: That's why I wanted to try out compiz with the new 9.6 drivers.
[09:15] <bloupotlood> Blizzerand: hey dude :)
[09:15] <Blizzerand> bloupotlood : Howdy
[09:15] <gartral> bloupotlood: look at xmail, i bileive it is
[09:15] <Threetimes> compiz + 9.6 works, i'm using it now.
[09:15] <Alex___> Spikemcc: But I can't find out anywhere if my driver got auto-updated or if I'm still on 9.4
[09:15] <Slart> ahorner: it won't be a quick evening-job if you're not proficient in *any* language
[09:15] <bloupotlood> gartral: will do, thanks
[09:15] <ProfOak> Is there a way to remove certain items from gnome-do that won't go away by themselves?
[09:15] <Spikemcc> j add medibuntu for dvd reading stuff ...
[09:15] <Threetimes> I just upgraded from 9.4 to 9.6 for the dual monirot support in 9.5.
[09:15] <ahorner> Slart: I'm very fluent in php
[09:15] <Blizzerand> ProfOak : Like ...
[09:16] <j> Spikemcc: ok.
[09:16] <Alex___> Threetimes: aticcle shows OpenGL version and CCC version, but not the driver version
[09:16] <indus> gartral: hello
[09:16] <Slart> ahorner: I've never worked with php... so you know better than I if it's doable in php
[09:16] <Threetimes> what is the "2d driver version" there?
[09:16] <bloupotlood> gartral: shes trying Thunderbird at the moment, its freaking out :)
[09:16] <Alex___> 8.60.40
[09:16] <Spikemcc> Alex___ try envyng it was a pain before but seem to work well now with ubuntu support
[09:16] <Threetimes> it should be 8.something
[09:16] <real34> thx guys, you made me realized that my processor was a 64-bit one
[09:16] <ProfOak> Blizzerand: Sorry I meant gnome-do docket, and the home folder won't go away.
[09:16] <ahorner> Slart: The whole upload script is in php, I just need something to get it from the client to the server.
[09:16] <j> Slart: what are you trying in php?
[09:16] <Threetimes> mine is 8.62.4
[09:16] <Alex___> Threetimes: 8.60.40
[09:17] <real34> :D I really suck! :)
[09:17] <Alex___> Threetimes: Ok. then I'll try disabling the driver in hardware drivers and manually installing 9.6
[09:17] <bloupotlood> Anyone know anything about Mailreactor?
[09:17] <duckwars> I've been looking for about an hour for a good, short, concise way to setup SSL on my apache server to no luck, does anyone happen to know of a good howto?
[09:17] <gartral> bloupotlood: you might want to stop that now, and set up a real mail server
[09:17] <Slart> ahorner, meet 'j'... j: meet 'ahorner'  :)
[09:17] <Threetimes> Alex___: wait one moment...
[09:17] <gartral> hi indus, you caught me at bed time
[09:17] <Spikemcc> Alex___ the highess isn't always the better choose what you need
[09:18] <Threetimes> I have the 9.6 debs here
[09:18] <ahorner> j: Hello
[09:18] <indus> gartral: heh its afternoon here
[09:18] <bloupotlood> gartral: lol, we have a proper mail server here, i think having 26k contacts sent mail from a notebook is unrealistic no? :)
[09:18] <j> what are you doing with php, upload to server and then what?
[09:18] <gartral> indus: its 4:9 here
[09:18] <ahorner> So.. I want to create a script of some kind (maybe set something as a launcher?) that will let me drag a file onto this launcher and send the file as post-data to my php script on my server. What language should I do this in, and has it already been done?
[09:18] <gartral> indus: its 4:19 here
[09:18] <Threetimes> Alex___: http://peter-server.homelinux.net/fxglrx/9.6/
[09:19] <Spikemcc> I liked amarok but songbird suit more my needs now ... but i miss amarok minimizing and keyboards shortcuts ...
[09:19] <ahorner> Think.. drag a file from your desktop onto an icon/launcher and it uploads it to imageshack or what not
[09:19] <gartral> ahorner: sounds llike a job for all encompassing perl
[09:19] <Drumroll> Alex___: How old is your computer?
[09:19] <Threetimes> AlexisM: you don't need the 89MB file, only the rest
[09:19] <indus> gartral: usa?
[09:19] <Blizzerand> ProfOak : Let me get clear , you want to get rid of home folder from gnome-do dock right
[09:19] <ahorner> gartral: how would I go about doing that?
[09:19] <Alex___> Drumroll: 2 months. lol
[09:19] <gartral> indus: yes
[09:19] <j> ahorner: i think perl.
[09:19] <Threetimes> Alex___: you don't need the 89MB file, only the rest
[09:19] <Spikemcc> Drumroll seem recent like less than a year ... too late but good guess
[09:19] <ProfOak> Blizzerand yes
[09:19] <gartral> ahorner: perl... ohh god, the horrors!
[09:20] <xim_> is there a lowlevel disk repair program for linux like spinrite?
[09:20] <Spikemcc> Alex___ take care recent stuff on linux work badly sometimes ...
[09:20] <Drumroll> Spikemcc: I always understood, I just think it's stupid to have to downgrade to get your Gcard up and running.    It's killing people's abilities to choose Linux as an OS if they can't even properly use their Gcards.
[09:21] <ahorner> gartral: Isn't perl serverside though?
[09:21] <Spikemcc> xim_ testdisk or photorec I think
[09:21] <Alex___> Drumroll: Mayb that's why they're doing it! ;)
[09:21] <indus> ahorner: ask in !python
[09:21] <indus> !python
[09:21] <gartral> ahorner: can be server side, client, or colaborated, all depending on how big of a headache you want the day after
[09:22] <Lartza_> In what package is gnome-cups-manager?
[09:22] <Spikemcc> Drumroll that's more the problem with a 6 months release that don't show theirs bugs before the download to make the cd to install it ...
[09:22] <Slart> !find gnome-cups-manager
[09:22] <ahorner> So should I do Perl or Python?
[09:22] <jet> Python
[09:22] <j> ahorner: read the file read( STDIN... then  $req = HTTP::Request->new(POST => 'http://somesite.com');
[09:23] <Lartza_> Slart: :S
[09:23] <xim_> thx Spikemcc
[09:24] <Spikemcc> someone know how to handle tv tuners on linux by any chance ? mine work but I need the right software and setup for it ... mplayer tested as /dev/video1
[09:24] <Spikemcc> xim_ > www.lifehacker.com hive 5 of 2-3 months ago that's all
[09:25] <j> oh yeah, who's go video....i do! thx Spikemcc.
[09:25] <Drumroll> Alex___: then you should be working on 9.4, 9.5, or 9.6 I would imagine...  The newer cards have decent support (still not up to nVida levels, but hey, whatcha gonna do?), and should work just fine for most uses...
[09:25] <j> you are making this transition to ubuntu easy.
[09:25] <ahorner> Ok guys I think #python will help me a bunch.
[09:26] <koshari> help! alsamixer loads in terminal but after i load a gui (flux) i get snd_ctr_open failed???
[09:26] <Spikemcc> does ubuntu.com as a sources.list maker as www.ubuntu-fr.org ?
[09:26] <Bob_Dole> ATI has better open-source drivers, so the future is with ATI.. but Nvidia still has better support as a whole, from how I understand things.
[09:26] <Slart> Spikemcc: they used to have one.. I don't think it's available any more though
[09:27] <Spikemcc> if not do one and fast, that is a must-have for beginners !!!
[09:27] <Slart> !sources.list
[09:27] <Drumroll> Spikemcc: It's mostly older ATI cards suffering from issues.  The newer ones work like a charm for MOST things...  But nVida supports most of their older cards in 9.04 where ATI does not.  So if you have an OLDER ATI, then you're crippled.
[09:27] <losher> Spikemcc: tvtime?
[09:28] <Bob_Dole> My Radeon X1600 is a dropped card. It works fine with the open source drivers. My Radeon 9200 SE is a dropped card..it does not work fine.
[09:28] <Spikemcc> losher got no signal on tvtime
[09:28] <koshari> Drumroll true, nvidia supports right back to the mx2 cards
[09:28] <Threetimes> Drumroll: what is "older"?
[09:29] <losher> Spikemcc: xawtv?
[09:29] <Bob_Dole> Threetimes, I think the 2xxx series and earlier
[09:29] <Spikemcc> Drumroll I'm on linux with an Ati for 5 years, I know all of that ...
[09:29] <Bob_Dole> But it might only be the X1xxx series and earlier.
[09:29] <Drumroll> Threetimes: http://blogs.computerworld.com/the_ubuntu_and_ati_blues Read that to get some sense of the problem.
[09:29] <Spikemcc> xawtv on install ...
[09:29] <Threetimes> hmmm, I have a HD 2600XT and it works
[09:30] <Threetimes> So I'm on the edge?
[09:30] <Bob_Dole> Threetimes, Check if it is using the open or closed drivers
[09:30] <Drumroll> Threetimes: They say that any ATI card more than a year or so old will have issues with the 94 and above drivers made for ANY linux distro.
[09:30] <Spikemcc> Bob_Dole use ubuntu 8.04 LTS for your cards
[09:31] <Spikemcc> HD2000 and more work on 9.04 that's why
[09:31] <Bob_Dole> Spikemcc, It's too slow regardless, if I had a means of OC'ing it about 50mhz, it'd be worth it.
[09:31] <jerknextdoor> any idea why i have to restart X to get my trackpad to work in 9.04?
[09:31] <Spikemcc> Bob_Dole an old Ati on 9.04 for 3d is suicide ...
[09:31] <Threetimes> Bob_Dole: I'm using the latest drivers from ATi's site
[09:32] <j> i need some tools to let me use my ati x1300 to play movies on my tv, ideally i want to control them via ssh or xrdp, is this going to be possible?
[09:32] <Spikemcc> if you don't use 3d you're ok
[09:32] <Alex___> o.O
[09:32] <Threetimes> I use 3D (compiz)
[09:33] <Threetimes> j: if you can control it via a command-line, it'll work trough ssh too
[09:33] <Alex___> o.O
[09:33] <Alex___> I can now run java with compiz on and flash works 10x better with compiz on o.O
[09:33] <fromzy> hi all
[09:34] <Alex___> Threetimes: Did you say that it actually works with dual monitors now?
[09:34] <fromzy> I would like to know if on Linux there is a difference like French OS and US OS ?
[09:34] <Threetimes> yes, since I upgraded from 9.4 to 9.6
[09:34] <fromzy> or the difference is only in the GUI and the Keyboard Map ?
[09:34] <Slart> fromzy: there are languages, yes
[09:34] <Blizzerand> ProfOak : Sorry had trouble with power supply . Did you get the problem solved
[09:34] <Threetimes> fromzy: the language and localization settings will be different
[09:34]  * Bob_Dole has lots of computers. most running ATI cards.. HD 3850, X1600, 9200SE, 9000.
[09:35] <Alex___> Threetimes: The fact that my monitors weren't the same resolution made it impossible before
[09:35] <jerknextdoor> could anyone poing me in the right direction to start trouble shooting why i have to restart X to get my trackpad buttons to work?  I don't see anything in /var/logs/messages /syslog that points to the trackpad.
[09:35] <Threetimes> Alex___: mine are also different resolutions, i can post my xorg.conf if you like
[09:35] <Slart> fromzy: not sure what you mean now.. you think the os is translated.. ie help in your language.. menu options and so on
[09:35] <Alex___> Threetimes: I believe you =P
[09:35] <Slart> fromzy: *I think the os...
[09:35] <Threetimes> Alex___: http://pastebin.com/f4b8d6132
[09:35] <ProfOak> Blizzeramd: No, but I just think I'm gonna go back to regular gnome-do anyways. I just wanted to try it out.
[09:36] <fromzy> Slart : In fact some software on Windows must have an US OS to work properly. Do we have the same case on Linux ?
[09:36] <Blizzerand> fromzy : There are labguage packages of Ubuntu but they are DVDs .  In fact if I look at /proc/... the metrics have the same name whatever language I use (French, german, US...)
[09:38] <Slart> fromzy: yes.. there are apps that rely on them being named the same..
[09:38] <Threetimes> you can even set the language/localisation per-user, so it must be like that
[09:38] <fromzy> Slart : Thank a lot Slart and have a nice day
[09:38] <Slart> fromzy: you too
[09:38] <jerknextdoor> none of my additional buttons seem to work on my thinkpad r51 with 9.04 my volume doenst agree with the panel applet..  my trackpad doesnt like it..etc.
[09:39] <mike> irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu-fr
[09:39] <allan_> Call of Duty 4 1.7 Linux Server Files < does this work for single player too
[09:40] <Slart> allan_: sounds like it's a multiplayer server
[09:40] <Blizzerand> ProfOak : Just drag the unwanted things to the desktop and there you go
[09:40] <Blizzerand> Threetimes : No I amm talking about DVD Ubuntu
[09:40] <Blizzerand> Threetimes : Here http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloadmirrors#dvd
[09:40] <FloodBot1> Blizzerand: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[09:40] <allan_> I dont know
[09:40] <allan_> i am just trying to get cod4 working
[09:40] <ProfOak> Blizzerand: Oh wow, is my face red... Thanks for that
[09:41] <yellabs> hello all
[09:41] <Threetimes> Blizzerand: if you have the CD, you can install them the way I mentioned.
[09:41] <Spikemcc> welcome back, sorry xawtv test was a pain ... a tip for newbies of linux alt+ctrl+backspace do a hot reboot but 9.04 has to be patched for it ... before it it's ok ...
[09:42] <Spikemcc> ubuntu dvd someone need a lot of unusefull stuf or what &
[09:42] <Spikemcc> ?
[09:42] <Blizzerand> FloodBot1 : lol You are too slow for a bot
[09:42] <yellabs> i have an gnome desktop with theme, now i would like to set it system wide, so that when an new user is added it gets the theme by default: all tips are welcome...
[09:42] <Threetimes> !floodbot
[09:43]  * Blizzerand huggles FloodBot1
[09:43] <linuxn00b> hi everyone!
[09:43] <Blizzerand> ProfOak : So it worked right
[09:44] <Joric> is anybody know why nvidia proprietary drivers won't show in the gui
[09:44] <Spikemcc> sorry ubuntu don't have root account ... you will have to do, one by one I think ... or copy somes files from home to another home (user home)
[09:44] <Joric> i need to have it in the gui instead of downloading manually
[09:44] <yellabs> because they are not loaded?
[09:44] <Joric> well it should be proposed then
[09:45] <linuxn00b> Joric: i think the nvidia drivers are a bit touch and go ...
[09:45] <tuxwulf> I accidentally deleted the NetworkManager Applet from the panel. How to get it back?
[09:45] <ProfOak> Blizzerand: Yes, and I should have known... That's how every dock is...
[09:45] <Joric> but there's nothing
[09:45] <Spikemcc> Joric have you tried envyng first ?
[09:45] <j> oh man, i tried vlc my_file.avi from putty, and it actually started playing the movie in putty via ascii art....i can't believe that is what anyone would want....
[09:45] <Joric> how
[09:45] <Joric> Spikemcc what's enying
[09:45] <linuxn00b> tuxwulf: rught click > add to panel
[09:45] <j> i want to play on the actual screen....
[09:45] <tuxwulf> linuxn00b: I tried that, NetworkManager Applet is not listed
[09:46] <OttifantSir> j: Once saw a Star Wars-movie that way. Interesting concept in the very least.
[09:46] <Spikemcc> tuxwulf do sudo apt-get install wicd in your terminal if you want a better one ...
[09:46] <linuxn00b> tuxwulf: just a sec
[09:46] <yellabs> Joric : open gnome terminal and type glxinfo | grep direct , to see if 3D is loaded
[09:46] <Threetimes> j: check the vlc wiki, there's a lot of info for command-line options there
[09:46] <j> OttifantSir: i have a bigscreen here, i want to play it on that.
[09:46] <Spikemcc> then add it to your session on system > prefs
[09:46] <OttifantSir> j: Didn't say it was useful or beautiful, just interesting.
[09:47] <linuxn00b> tuxwulf: i see what you mean
[09:47] <j> yeah, definately caught me off guard...
[09:47] <yellabs> or lsmod | grep nvidia
[09:47] <linuxn00b> tuxwulf: sorry, im stuck too
[09:47] <Spikemcc> Joric EnvyNG install graphic drivers easily but is on progress but work well for now
[09:48] <linuxn00b> tuxwulf: try dpkg reconfigure or something, it might reset the settings
[09:48] <tuxwulf> linuxn00b: Tthat's ok, I appreciate trying! Thanks!
[09:48] <yellabs> Spikemcc, nvidia drivers can be installed with synaptic...
[09:48] <Joric> i just wonder is there a way to make ubuntu list available hardware drivers back in the gui
[09:48] <tuxwulf> Spikemcc: ... so it may just come to that...
[09:48] <OttifantSir> j: With VLC, you should be able to open the file directly through the GUI, not have to do a Putty commandline execution.
[09:49] <yellabs> EnvyNG, i thought was not supported by ubuntu
[09:49] <j> OttifantSir: i don't want to have a mouse / keyboard directly hooked to the computer.
[09:49] <yellabs> !EnvyNG
[09:49] <Spikemcc> yellabs yes but old ones ... new ones with envyng ...
[09:49] <linuxn00b> tuxwulf: if your really bothered, theres an X server reconfigure thing in recovery mode, that migth do it
[09:49] <j> i want to run it from my laptop / phone via ssh / rdp.
[09:49] <Spikemcc> I said not supported but working ...
[09:49] <tuxwulf> linuxn00b:  Yes, but that does not reconfigure panels, AFAIK...
[09:49] <linuxn00b> ahh
[09:49] <yellabs> The newer nvidia drivers are also in ubuntu repository
[09:50] <yellabs> its very easy with synaptic...
[09:50] <tuxwulf> That's ok, if wicd can do it I will try that. It's fortunately just for convenience, nothign too serious...
[09:50] <yellabs> i have an gnome desktop with theme, now i would like to set it system wide, so that when an new user is added it gets the theme by default: all tips are welcome...
[09:51] <tuxwulf> Spikemcc: Thanks to you too!
[09:51] <Spikemcc> envyng -t (command line) saved me twice on a crashed xorg.conf with a mesa driver at 800x600 on my 1280x800 laptop so it's not worthless that's why it's in the repositories, some peoples use it and want it ...
[09:51] <arty_> hi pls someone to help
[09:51] <yellabs> gnome desktop theme , system wide , how would i set it? ( for every new user that is added )
[09:52] <yellabs> arty state problem
[09:52] <arty_> pls how can i use bzip2 to dir what I need to writte
[09:52] <yellabs> bzip2 dir?
[09:52] <Spikemcc> lxde in hardy repositories it's for when ? cause envy is in the LTS repositories ... I want my lxde without a ppa please !!!
[09:52] <OttifantSir> j: The phone thing would be a real blast to have. RDP is quite easy, and I didn't even need to know more than to look around the menus and know the IP-adress of the computer I wanted to control to learn how to do it. But do tell if you get the phone idea to work. Would love it. Maybe anyremote is something you'd want to try?
[09:53] <yellabs> bzip2 -help
[09:53] <j> i have the ssh from my phone working, i just need to re-direct the output to the vidoe card, instead of back to the phone.
[09:54] <Threetimes> j: do you use wifi or 3G on your phone?
[09:54] <arty_> yellabs: I have dir STAFF and I need staff.bzip2           but I dont know how if I wrte bzip2 staff ,it write mi its a directory
[09:54] <cattellar> anybody have had any luck hiding the menu bar in opera?
[09:54] <j> Threetimes: wifi when i am home.
[09:54] <Spikemcc> yellads it's a /home/user settings file stuff ... try to find what is the file used and copy/paste it or the settings you need in it ...
[09:54] <LLStarks> which is better for ubuntu in terms of drivers and overall performance with respect to windows: amd or nvidia?
[09:54] <Threetimes> j: ah, ok. Have you looked in the vlc wiki yet?
[09:54] <lien> Hi, Is this the right channel for some hardware problems?
[09:55] <Spikemcc> OttifantSir, try thightvnc maybe ?
[09:55] <FloodBot1> !netsplit
[09:55] <grawity> arty_: You cannot bzip2 directories, only single files. What you probably want is tar cvjf staff.bzip2 staff/
[09:55] <j> yeah, --vout <module> is the switch i need, but more info is needed.
[09:55] <jilbert> wow
[09:55] <yellabs> arty : http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/compressing-directory-with-bzip2-336204/
[09:55] <Gav> heh hat looked fun ^.^
[09:55] <Threetimes> ubuntu, FloodBot1: lol!
[09:55] <yellabs> netsplit
[09:55] <arty_> grawity: thx m8
[09:55] <Spikemcc> lien yes ...
[09:56] <OttifantSir> Spikemcc: What do you mean? For the phone to control the machine I want to?
[09:56] <Threetimes> j: can you see me?
[09:56] <yellabs> yes we see you
[09:56] <j> yeah
[09:56] <grawity> Threetimes: If you can see the other person, he can see you too.
[09:56] <Threetimes> ok
[09:56] <yellabs> hehe
[09:56] <lien> Have somebody some expertise in non working internal cardreaders on a acer aspire 9410? :D
[09:56] <jerknextdoor> lien: what's your problem...we can at least try to help.
[09:56] <richardcavell> are x11-utils and x11-server-utils installed by default on all Ubuntu remixes?
[09:56] <tuxwulf> .. not if he got his eyes closed...
[09:56] <arty_> yellabs: thx u2
[09:56] <xbmc666> is there a recovery tool to get back documents from a formated drive (windows ntfs drive) in ubuntu?
[09:57] <jilbert> im getting couldnt find package ubuntu-desktop after installing the server on virtual box
[09:57] <jilbert> what should i do?
[09:57] <Spikemcc> cattelar try firefox it's open source, opera isn't so don't expect miracles... flock is decent for some peoples also ... opera is good but not my taste ...
[09:57] <jerknextdoor> lien:  not me.  but, good luck.  i'm looking for hardware specific help too.
[09:57] <xbmc666> jilbert: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ?
[09:57] <jilbert> xbmc666: yup
[09:57] <jilbert> that's what i did
[09:57] <grawity> Spikemcc: Opera is very good on Windows. (Not on GNOME, unfortunately.)
[09:57] <Spikemcc> LLStarks nvidia
[09:57] <yellabs> xmbc666 : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery
[09:57] <xbmc666> tried sudo apt-cache search ubuntu ?
[09:58] <xbmc666> thx yellabs, i'll check it out
[09:58] <tuxwulf> lien > Does it work in Win...?
[09:58] <grawity> jilbert: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list?
[09:58] <dhaval_> Ok, this is messed up. If the internet is disconnected, I can't reconnect until I do a COMPLETE restart!
[09:58] <lien> tuxwulf: Yes it does
[09:58] <dhaval_> what do I do to fix this?
[09:58] <jilbert> okay grawity
[09:58] <jilbert> wait
[09:58] <tuxwulf> lien > Then it is not your hardware that is having a problem....I'd say...
[09:58] <Drumroll> Opera loads pages faster than ANY version of FireFox, but if you like extensions then FireFox is what you want.  FireFox has better integration with Ubuntu as it is.  I use both though for various reasons.
[09:59] <LLStarks> which is better for ubuntu in terms of drivers and overall performance with respect to windows: amd or nvidia?
[09:59] <lien> tuxwulf: yes, you're right, maybe some driverproblem?
[09:59] <tuxwulf> lien > That's what I think, yes. Either linux does not know that piece of hardware or does not recognize it correctly...
[09:59] <cattellar> anybody have had any luck hiding the menu bar in opera?
[09:59] <dhaval_> HellO/
[09:59] <Spikemcc> Drumroll for speed flock is good also ...
[10:00] <Spikemcc> LLStarks nvidia !!!
[10:01] <Threetimes> j: vlc file.ext -f -Vreset
[10:01] <LLStarks> doesn't nvidia have nasty kernel compatibility issues?
[10:01] <Spikemcc> Ati is good for open source drivers but don't expect 3d gaming to be easy, it's a pain in the ass ...
[10:01] <Threetimes> sorry, wrong window :
[10:01] <Mileage> Does anyone know of a 'simple' way to access file sharing from one ubuntu desktop to another ?
[10:01] <LLStarks> how are the ati binary drivers?
[10:01] <j> Threetimes: i was thinking vlc fle.ext -f --vout default
[10:01] <dhaval_> Dude?
[10:01] <peppo> what's an easy way to backup an ubuntu installation to an ISO file? Ghost4Linux? sending laptop in for repair, need to fully backup my installation...
[10:01] <dhaval_> Why does this happen/ Why can't I reconnect?
[10:01] <Drumroll> LLStarks: ATI was better with older version of Ubuntu, but for recent versions of Ubuntu, nVida is the winner by FAR.
[10:01] <Spikemcc> LLStarks don't have a nvidia but old Ati and nvidia haved problems with 9.04 ...
[10:02] <ceekays> I am trying to setup an tftp server for pxe booting. I'm using Ubuntu 9.04.I'm confused: What is the right file to configure for tftp to work "/etc/xinetd.d/conf/tftp" or "/etc/init.d/tftpd-hpa"
[10:02] <Threetimes> j: default is the wrong one, that'll be the ascci one
[10:02] <j> it says i can't initialize the x11 session.
[10:02] <p-f> peppo, it's probably easier and faster to just tar up /etc, /var, /home and /root and make a list of installed packages
[10:02] <j> which is already initialized.
[10:02] <lien> tuxwulf: any clue for me? I've tried already some other irc channels and a forum but no succes (even no response on the forum)
[10:02] <dhaval_> HEY!
[10:02] <dhaval_> I can't reconnect!
[10:02] <Spikemcc> LLStars Ati for a old ones I stuck on 8.04 and the new ones can enjoy 9.04 ...
[10:02] <dhaval_> What is wrong!?
[10:03] <peppo> p-f, not if I have a bunch of custom setups for ffado, scripts etc... customization for the vaio and so on
[10:03] <dhaval_> Spike?
[10:03] <j> Threetimes: got the ascci one with your suggestion too.
[10:03] <Threetimes> j: my "suggestion" was a typo
[10:04] <Spikemcc> dhaval yes ?
[10:04] <Threetimes> j: you might have to tell it to use a specific display, not the ssh window
[10:04] <Spikemcc> reconnect by cable or wifi ?
[10:04] <tuxwulf> lien > Well.. in WIn you can sometimes get more info about exactly what hardware it is, then you can search better for linux usage, too.
[10:04] <quizme> how do you run a command right after rebooting?
[10:04] <j> yeah, but i don't know how to specifiy it, ti is -vout <module> but i don't know what goes in module, can't find an example
[10:04] <quizme> i mean, make it automatically run after rebooting
[10:05] <Drumroll> LLStarks: http://blogs.computerworld.com/the_ubuntu_and_ati_blues
[10:05] <Threetimes> j: i'm looking for it, but my vlc is broken...
[10:05] <Spikemcc> LLStarks I cannot dislike Ati so much, it's because of them that I getted so good on linux ...
[10:06] <tuxwulf> lien > And of course, perhaps Acer got a suggestion...? That's all... I have no experience with cardreaders ...and, I have to go... good luck!
[10:06] <Spikemcc> but Nvidia will be my next choice ...
[10:06] <lien> tuxwulf: the problem is that I've deleted windows :D ké bye
[10:07] <LLStarks> spikemcc: how do ati and nvidia compare in terms of price per performance on cheap laptops?
[10:07] <OttifantSir> j: How about tryin X11 for vout-module?
[10:07] <tuxwulf> lien > One last one: try to get wiser with dmesg ...
[10:07] <tuxwulf> Really gone now. Bye!
[10:07] <Spikemcc> tv tuner user in need here .... someone got an idea to use it on linux, it work on mplayer but I can't change channel and others nice options ...
[10:07] <j> open of `X11' failed: could not create access: no suitable access module
[10:07] <OttifantSir> j: Or XVideo or OpenGL?
[10:08] <Spikemcc> LLStarks a laptop to play ? can I cry for you ?
[10:08] <Spikemcc> dream ok ?
[10:08] <Threetimes> j: try x11 or xvideo, but still we need to tell vlc not to start X on your phone, but use X on your big screen
[10:08] <Drumroll> LLStarks: ATI is usually slightly cheepar than nVida, but since nVida has more Linux support on ALL distros currently, if you want to go Linux seriously, you'll be glad you have an nVida.
[10:08] <LLStarks> i know there are laptops with decent carrds for under $800
[10:08] <j> Threetimes, i tried both, i really need an example, google seems lacking.
[10:09] <Spikemcc> I use my stream my game subscription on my netbook with my gaming pc, it cost less and work better ...
[10:09] <Threetimes> j: try opengl
[10:09] <j> vlc --alsadev hw:1,0 --vout x11 --x11-display :0.1 --fullscreen --no-wxwin-embed is one example, so i think x11 is right.
[10:10] <j> hw:1,0 is something from xorg.conf.
[10:10] <Spikemcc> LLStarks gaming on a laptop laptop is a real short word ... take care
[10:10] <Threetimes> it might depen on your graopics config/driver, just try them all
[10:10] <Drumroll> Spikemcc: They have laptops built specifically for gamers...
[10:11] <Spikemcc> in the best play old games well but don't expect games that have less than 3 years to be a sure bet ...
[10:12] <Spikemcc> Drumroll I buyed a laptop at 4000$ for gaming and it even don't played the nhl game of that year ...
[10:12] <OttifantSir> j: You should probably try to write a script containing the commandline to open films in the correct display, with a dialog asking for which file you want to open. I know it's possible, but I don't know how, and probably something you should ask in #bash if you can handle the cryptic talk over there.
[10:12] <padd1> hey, what's a good cheap laptop for Ubuntu
[10:13] <padd1> not a gamer, just performance
[10:13] <padd1> And Cheap as in like under 600-700 bucks
[10:13] <Anquietas> Hello, for 2 weeks now, Firefox 3.5 is available to download... I am using Ubuntu and I still don't find it in the repositories, when will it be added ?... My windows friends are already using it... how can I trigger an update to switch to FF 3.5 ? or how much should I wait for it ?
[10:13] <Dextorion> just about any padd1, that has somewhat standard components
[10:13] <indus> Anquietas: install the package like so.. sudo apt-get install firefox-3.5
[10:14] <Threetimes> Anquietas: the package is firefox-3.5
[10:14] <indus> Anquietas: which version of ubuntu?
[10:14] <iamleneko> hey
[10:14] <Threetimes> !info firefox-3.5
[10:14] <Anquietas> 9.04 Jaunty Jackalope
[10:14] <padd1> Dextorion, I realise any work, but, what is a good speed one... etc.
[10:14] <Spikemcc> LLStarks onboard graphic memory standard is about 64 Mb so your laptop should have a Nvidia with at minimum 256 Mb ... but don't dream of playing crysis, dx10 games and so on without a little luck ...
[10:14] <iamleneko> what is the command for having details about ram ? i mean hardware detail.
[10:14] <Anquietas> I installed something firefox-3.5 but when I open firefox, it's still the Old Firefox
[10:14] <indus> Anquietas: its available as a separate package
[10:14] <Anquietas> must I manually search the binary and create shortcuts ?
[10:14] <indus> Anquietas: thats because you didnt install from repos
[10:14] <Dextorion> only you could answer that question
[10:14] <Dextorion> padd1
[10:15] <Threetimes> Anquietas: you should open Shiretoko, that's FF3.5's codename
[10:15] <padd1> k
[10:15] <padd1> oh
[10:15] <Spikemcc> padd1 a netbook is good for linux ...
[10:15] <Anquietas> from the repos I've installed, in Synaptic
[10:15] <indus> Anquietas: remove that, install firefox-3.5
[10:15] <richardcavell> iamleneko: free
[10:15] <Threetimes> Anquietas: you have FF3.0 and 3.5, shiretoko is 3.5
[10:15] <padd1> what's a cheap but fast netbook, Spikemcc
[10:15] <indus> Anquietas: both packages co exist
[10:15] <Spikemcc> under 300-400 even less sometimes ...
[10:15] <Dextorion> padd1, only thing i could recommend would be to have more than 512mb RAM if you will be using KDE or GNOME.
[10:15] <iamleneko> richardcavell, no
[10:15] <indus> !shiretoko
[10:15] <iamleneko> richardcavell, :)
[10:15] <padd1> k, thanks
[10:15] <User___> Hi
[10:15] <j> OttifantSir: i can handle bash, i write all my backup scripts and that sort of stuff, i need the vlc line and i will be fine.
[10:15] <indus> hmm ubottu wake up
[10:15] <padd1> would an eeepc be good?
[10:15] <Dextorion> padd1, as im using a 512mb RAM laptop and find that to be a bit on the low side
[10:15] <richardcavell> iamleneko: Hm?  What is it that you want to know
[10:16] <padd1> oh, OK
[10:16] <padd1> Dexterion, thanks
[10:16] <iamleneko> the hardware detail like, what type of material it is, ddr or ddr2 speed etc....
[10:16] <Dextorion> padd1, your welcome
[10:16] <Spikemcc> eeepc 901 was great, msi wind also, acer aspire one and dell mini 9 was almost epic ...
[10:16] <padd1> Dextorion, what are you using
[10:16] <mzz> weird! I'm playing an mp3, and if I do anything graphically intensive (move a window, scroll in firefox) the mp3 skips *forward*
[10:16] <padd1> what about eeepc T90 or something
[10:16] <Spikemcc> aspire one good sorry
[10:17] <padd1> cool
[10:17] <Dextorion> padd1, 1,7Gz centrino, 512mb Ram.
[10:17] <mzz> I second the recommendation for more ram
[10:17] <Anquietas> ok, I've installed firefox-3.5 from the repos... but which is the binary ?... must I create all the shortcuts ?... or can I modify the previous shortcut of Firefox to point to the new 3.5 version ?
[10:17] <Spikemcc> mzz try songbird or amarok for mp3
[10:17] <padd1> Dexterion, very nice
[10:17] <Drumroll> ubottu, shiretoko is the name for FireFox 3.5 in Ubuntu 9.04 so that it won't conflict with FireFox 3.0.11 that comes installed on Ubuntu bt default.
[10:18] <mzz> Spikemcc: this isn't specific to a particular player, unless it's specific to gstreamer, which would be pretty weird (and it'd still also affect amarok, since iirc that uses gstreamer)
[10:18] <phreak> pabb1 From my experience, Acer has realy good compatibility with Ubuntu and Linux in general
[10:18] <Dextorion> padd1, works just fine for what im doing. Just a bit low on the RAM imo
[10:18] <User___> I'm fairly new to Ubuntu, been running several heavy duty simulations over the weekend and just turned screen on and it looks like it's frozen, sims not updating (or very slowly), can't click anywhere and clock has frozen at time I turned on. Anything I can do to recover the data in my programs?
[10:18] <Spikemcc> firefox 3.5 isn't ubuntu supported for now ...
[10:18] <iamleneko> okey i found it again
[10:18] <iamleneko> it is "lshw"
[10:18] <padd1> Dexterion, what model are U using (did U build it?)
[10:19] <Dextorion> padd1, its a hp nx8220. But that doesnt matter.
[10:19] <Spikemcc> pabbl dell has done the linux switch and have a decent support now ...
[10:19] <User___> hi I'm new, can anyone help me?
[10:19] <mzz> Anquietas: running firefox-3.5 (or shiretoko from the main menu) should work fine. I haven't bothered to update various links yet, but I'd expect system -> preferences -> preferred applications to mostly suffice
[10:19] <padd1> Oh, K, thanks Spikemcc
[10:19] <Drumroll> Spikemcc: Yes it is.  It's on 9.04 (as Shiretoko) and will be default in 9.10.
[10:20] <Spikemcc> and worldwide freeshipping at home if you take the website of your country
[10:20] <Anquietas> ok... but why did it changed the name from Firefox to Shiretoko ?... it's a complication, I must retain the new name..... it's wierd.....
[10:20] <mzz> User___: I'd ssh in (if you have that set up) to see if it's just X that has issues
[10:20] <padd1> sweet
[10:20] <indus> !ff-3.5
[10:20] <Pixeltime> Should I goto -help, lost my panels, looks like maybe even window manager (ubuntu netbook) just need to know how to reset it, booted from LiveCD on SD card right now
[10:20] <indus> !ff3.5
[10:21] <Drumroll> Anquietas: They did that so that it wouldn't conflict with the already installed FireFox 3.0.11 and have it cause issues.
[10:21] <angel_> join #php
[10:21] <User___> mzz: I'm running a dedicated linux box. I was wondering if it'd properly crashed or if it's just running reeeaally slowly
[10:21] <mzz> User___: I can't tell, I'm not ssh'd in :)
[10:22] <Anquietas> ok, thank you, hope the name will be returned as firefox in the next release
[10:22] <mzz> Anquietas: have you actually read the link ubottu just gave you?
[10:22] <Anquietas> yes
[10:22] <Anquietas> thank you
[10:22] <Anquietas> :)
[10:22] <kdub> User___: you can check to see what is eating your cpu time, using the cli command 'top'
[10:22] <User___> mzz: ha fair enough
[10:23] <mzz> User___: what kdub said, but of course that assumes you have a working term or ssh connection to run top in
[10:23] <User___> kdub: ok I'll try that, but nothing's been opening
[10:23] <mzz> User___: don't hit this yet, but if all else fails hitting alt+sysrq+k is an option (should kill X, but also everything inside it). See also !dontzap
[10:24] <mzz> ah, that doesn't work.
[10:24] <mzz> !dontzap
[10:24] <User___> mzz: ok
[10:24] <kdub> User___: if its a remote box, ping and nmap are useful to see if its still up
[10:24] <Spikemcc> firefox 3.0.11 multiples crashes on hardy is there a problem ???
[10:24] <kdub> if its a local computer, its pretty easy to see what's going on
[10:24] <lien> Have somebody some expertise in non working internal cardreaders on a acer aspire 9410? :D
[10:24] <mzz> User___: killing X is rather blunt, if you have other ways to access it I'd try those first. ctrl+alt+f1 might also still work, although I doubt it.
[10:25] <peppo> anyone have any experience with G4L?
[10:25] <nikolam> hi. Any idea when packages.ubuntu.com will start working again?
[10:25] <mzz> Spikemcc: still does it with plugins (flash) off?
[10:25] <User___> mzz/kdub: It's a local box, but it's either stopped or running really really slowly
[10:25] <kdub> nikolam: use the standard repos :P
[10:25] <Spikemcc> 64 flash maybe
[10:25] <User___> mzz: I have a couple of macros writing data, if I were to kill would it write the data first or just quit the cmd windows?
[10:25] <mzz> User___: I don't know what "a local box" means. My local systems often run sshds :)
[10:26] <Spikemcc> lien try lspci in your terminal
[10:26] <nikolam> kdub hmm :) I get used to making newer packages for my Hardy LTS :)
[10:26] <Spikemcc> cardreader mostly work well without drivers
[10:26] <mzz> User___: if they're running in terms those'd die. I don't know how the stuff running in those terms would respond, but they'd probably die too.
[10:26] <Drumroll> Aniquietas, yes, the name should revert to FireFox again for the next release.  But if 9.04 had two versions of FireFox installed there would be major issues.
[10:26] <ProfOak> Does anyone know how to make this panel completely transparent? http://i29.tinypic.com/2crsh0k.jpg
[10:26] <mrtn1231> why is there a symbolic link called "ubuntu" in Ubuntu installation CD root? "File ubuntu" gives "ubuntu: symbolic link to `.'". Any ideas?
[10:26] <kdub> User___: x could have frozen, but the kernel is still alive underneath. if you can ping the computer, its not totally locked up..
[10:26] <mzz> Spikemcc: 64 bit flash (the adobe one) is fairly crashy here (in 3.5 in jaunty)
[10:27] <cattellar> is there a way to make a window borderless ... without the title bar and that?
[10:27] <mzz> kdub: that's not much use if he has long-running stuff running under X though
[10:27] <mzz> User___: I tend to run things like that inside screen, so it survives if X crashes
[10:27] <Spikemcc> nikolam ubuntu hardy heron 8.04.2 LTS 64 bits Amd/Ati laptop up and running here !!!
[10:28] <falco_> Samba on this laptop only finds ONE PC, while samba on a different laptop finds ALL pc's in the network. Every computer/laptop is on workgroup WORKGROUP. What is wrong?
[10:28] <nikolam> Spikemcc, nice nice..
[10:29] <Spikemcc> mzz got hardy here ... intrepid and jaunty stuff isn't needed for me and it come with troubles ... LTS is better all the time ...
[10:29] <kdub> mzz: true, but i would hope User___ wouldnt run things like a webserver as a fork of the X process...
[10:29] <lien> Spikemcc: I've already run some tests and put it on the forum but nobody has answered there. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7620576#post7620576
[10:29] <nikolam> Spikemcc, I also think so :)
[10:30] <User___> mzz/kdub: ok ssh isn't working, if I could use the ctrl-C command in the window then that'd be fine but I guess the external one is different and might just destroy it? It seems a  bit screwed really... Can't even select any windows.
[10:30] <nikolam> Also Spikemcc ATI/AMD banned my grapchics from newer fglrx, so I am sort of stuck to LTS because of AMD
[10:30] <mzz> User___: if you still have access to any terminal you can send signals to your long-running apps from there
[10:31] <User___> mzz: No access unfortunately
[10:31] <mzz> User___: if you don't have any terminal access there isn't much you can do
[10:31] <Spikemcc> LTS 3 years dektop support 5 years for servers ... good quality assurance ... It's that or you change each 6 months with various issues each time ...
[10:31] <mzz> User___: (other than kill X and cross your fingers, hoping things recover and your long-running stuff shuts down somewhat gracefully)
[10:31] <indus> Spikemcc: well said
[10:31] <falco_> and the other laptop can't connect to my problem laptop, but it DOES see the laptop
[10:31] <User___> mzz: yeah :) that's the way of ubuntu
[10:31] <mzz> User___: not ubuntu-specific
[10:31] <falco_> it just says something about "cant retrieve list from server"
[10:32] <Spikemcc> nikolam same here but happy even ... I learned the LTS needs ...
[10:32] <User___> mzz/kdub: ok thanks both for your help
[10:32] <indus> Spikemcc: i think ill move back to LTS again
[10:32] <richardcavell> q0_0p: Hi
[10:33] <nikolam> Spikemcc, one more reason I am happy with LTS (beside no trouble) is that I port newer apps to Hardy all the time When I need it.
[10:33] <falco_> Samba on this laptop only finds ONE PC, while samba on a different laptop finds ALL pc's in the network. Every computer/laptop is on workgroup WORKGROUP. What is wrong?
[10:33] <mzz> shrug, there are pros and cons both ways
[10:33] <nikolam> Spikemcc, install debian-reference
[10:33] <Spikemcc> lien try cheese software for the webcam, mine was working without drivers (logitech)
[10:34] <alias1407> falco, make sure the others have got network discovery enabled
[10:34] <indus> hardy is awesome i think
[10:34] <mzz> newer hardware and software may be easier to get going in a newer ubuntu than by backporting enough bits of it to lts
[10:34] <falco_> alias1407 network discovery IS enabled since the other laptop CAN find the other pc's
[10:34] <mzz> although I'll immediately admit I'm a sucker for shiny new features
[10:34] <indus> with 9.04 iam stuck with a dvd rom which wont load
[10:34] <Spikemcc> lien for your sd reader try to buy an usb one ... try to beat the price of one on www.dealextreme.com man !!!
[10:34] <indus> mzz: me too :)
[10:35] <mzz> indus: for example the laptop I'm typing on is running jaunty with the karmic kernel because its wireless has issues across suspend/standby otherwise
[10:35] <Spikemcc> littles friends for hardware just check that website ...
[10:35] <mzz> (and I doubt it'd work at all in LTS)
[10:35] <alias1407> falco, are all pc's running linux of some sort, or are some running winblows
[10:35] <indus> mzz: hmm how do you make jaunty run a karmic kernel?
[10:36] <happosade> Why my rubyripper stops ripping CD, saying that there is not enoug disk space. (Only 750gb left)
[10:36] <Spikemcc> indus any kernel could do on any linux ...
[10:36] <lien> Spikemcc: I've already tried cheese without succes. And are you trying to say that an external USB card reader probaly will work?
[10:36] <mzz> indus: grab the deb and install it. Side effect is I also get kernel modesetting this way, which has its own set of issues I haven't resolved yet :(
[10:36] <Spikemcc> but you could have some issues
[10:36] <kdub> any linux kernel, Spikemcc...
[10:36] <nikolam> mzz, what wireless is that?
[10:36] <falco_> Unable to mount location Failed to retrieve share list from server. anyone, how do I solve this samba problem?????????????????????
[10:36] <Spikemcc> lien an usb one work ... as I remember
[10:37] <mzz> nikolam: ath9k in an asus laptop. The actual bug was in an asus-specific module handling the wireless (rfkill) switch (and led) among other thigs
[10:37] <mzz> things, even
[10:37] <Spikemcc> kdud (I said about the issues ?)
[10:37] <mzz> nikolam: after resuming from suspend (to ram or disk) it'd end up with the wireless disabled and the button to re-enable it not working.
[10:37] <kdub> Spikemcc: i just meant dropping a bsd or herd kernel in would be a mess
[10:37] <lien> Spikemcc: okey, let's give it a try
[10:38] <nikolam> a-ha mzz
[10:38] <itai_michaelson> hi, installed virtualbox -deb from website, now where do i find it?
[10:38] <Spikemcc> ath9k check madwifi project website just in case ...
[10:38] <nikolam> but what you need LED for ? :) anyway, I wopuld like to know what wireless chip is it.
[10:39] <nikolam> Also you can swap wireless inside notebook if it is on minipciexpress card
[10:39] <Spikemcc> lien there is some at 3$ on dealextreme.com free shiped worldwide
[10:40] <nikolam> Here it is how to port newer packages to older ubuntu (LTS) > Install debian-reference and go to file:///usr/share/doc/Debian/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port
[10:40] <falco_> Unable to mount location Failed to retrieve share list from server. anyone, how do I solve this samba problem?????????????????????
[10:40] <KB1JWQ> falco_: First off, you need more question marks.
[10:41] <nikolam> just get sources from packages.ubuntu.com (when it gets working again)
[10:41] <falco_> ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
[10:41] <falco_> now what?
[10:41] <Spikemcc> this website is the compagny that sell the stuff that some powerseller sell on ebay ... if you get cheaper please leave me an email fast entraide-net website and my email is on the right ...
[10:41] <KB1JWQ> falco_: Secondly this isn't #samba :)
[10:41] <falco_> is there a #samba then?
[10:41] <itai_michaelson> can anyone tell me how to run virtualbox after instal?
[10:41] <discorpia> falco_: tried http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1082148 ?
[10:41] <kdub> falco_: why would you think that spamming question marks would encourage anyone to help?
[10:41] <lien> Spikemcc: If i typ 'USB one' in the search bar. I get many diffrent Usb card readers. Is USB one a brand?
[10:42] <falco_> kdub because asking it once apparently doesn't work
[10:42] <Spikemcc> lien any usb based sd card reader will do I think
[10:42] <kdub> irc is all about idle chatter. and you'd get better results in #samba
[10:42] <Spikemcc> but it cheap ... for a try
[10:43] <homebrewcider> hey all, I'm trying to print to cd. I have (as advised) set up a 2nd printer for this purpose. I have cd set as the media, I have cd tray set as the source, I have this 2nd printer set as the printer for the job but all the jobs fail, can anyone help please?
[10:43] <falco_> discorpia yes I have tried
[10:43] <Spikemcc> usb headset work without drivers, game controlers also mostly ... some webcams, card readers, usb keys, usb drives ...
[10:45] <Spikemcc> homebrewcider a cd printer on linux ? not sure it will work my epson r300 work but the cd printing isn't working ...
[10:45] <Spikemcc> my printer wasn't working on linux before ...
[10:45] <lien> Spikemcc: Ah, now I understand, You just mean an USB card reader not the brand 'usb one' lol thanks bye
[10:46] <Spikemcc> right lien
[10:46] <Spikemcc> tv tuner specialist here ?
[10:48] <homebrewcider> yes, a usb printer on linux, it's been done, but my printer doesn't seem to see the cd tray
[10:50] <Spikemcc> cd tray should not work on linux ...
[10:51] <jetienne> how can i disable IPv- ?
[10:51] <jetienne> IPv6
[10:52] <jetienne> !ipv6
[10:52] <Spikemcc> jetienne check on www.ubuntugeek.com maybe there a tutorial for it, but you shouldn't do this ...
[10:52] <jetienne> Spikemcc: ok will do
[10:53] <Spikemcc> !tv
[10:54] <comboos> witam
[10:55] <jetienne> and the gui doesnt allow you to change it
[10:55] <angel_> anybody here used fog?
[10:56] <Spikemcc> nope angel_ what is fog ?
[10:56] <angel_> Spikemcc: http://coeexchange.com/?p=3
[10:57] <jetienne> Spikemcc: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4 is not uptodate aka use 8.04 as the last version
[10:57] <Platypus2k> I have two PC's I am trying to share files betwwen: Laptop, and HTPC. HTPC finds a folder named "print$", but not my shared folder, Laptop doesn't find the HTPC at all
[10:57] <jetienne> Spikemcc: do you know of a more uptodate ?
[10:57] <Spikemcc> jetienne no ...
[10:57] <guest37535> am i better off using the drivers for my onboard ide raid, or just use software? I need root on raid 0...
[10:58] <Spikemcc> angel_ ghostzilla or rsync ???
[10:59] <Spikemcc> there is also great softwares based on rsync ...
[10:59] <richardcavell> Spikemcc: what's your favourite?
[10:59] <angel_> Spikemcc: its better than all
[10:59] <richardcavell> I use grsync
[10:59] <moncky> angel_: what are you wanting to do excatly?  I am not a fan of using images
[10:59] <angel_> wonderfull , but if you be able to configure it nicely :)
[10:59] <jetienne> ipv6--
[11:00] <Spikemcc> no favorite I use only a desktop here without backups ...
[11:00] <angel_> I just wanna distribute some images over my network in a pc pool
[11:00] <angel_> moncky
[11:00] <moncky> angel_: you should have a look at cobbler, with puppet
[11:01] <moncky> angel_: that way you can easily make changes on a system on the fly without having to rebuild an image
[11:01] <Spikemcc> there is one that does like mac time machine based on rsync just search a little ... it should work well and ghostzilla do a image ...
[11:01] <richardcavell> Spikemcc: no backups?
[11:01] <richardcavell> that's brave
[11:01] <richardcavell> I've been using computers for long enough that I know you make backups
[11:01] <moncky> angel_: https://fedorahosted.org/cobbler/ http://reductivelabs.com/products/puppet/
[11:02] <pekuja> not Ubuntu-specific, but anyone know what I should do to switch the sound card that Wine uses?
[11:02] <richardcavell> Anyone here know of remote desktop software that's better than the Ubuntu built in one?
[11:02] <jetienne> http://webupd8.blogspot.com/2009/05/how-to-disable-ipv6-in-ubuntu-jaunty.html <- Spikemcc. found it here. thanks for your help
[11:03] <moncky> richardcavell: I am a fan on nomachine
[11:03] <moncky> richardcavell: http://www.nomachine.com/
[11:03] <richardcavell> moncky: have you used the Ubuntu remote desktop?  People say it's slow
[11:03] <Spikemcc> no backups for me, I just use another drive and copy my files ...
[11:03] <guest37535> pekuja: ask in #winehq
[11:03] <jetienne> moncky: what do you think of the recent google implementation ?
[11:03] <richardcavell> even over high bandwidth connection
[11:03] <pekuja> sure
[11:03] <deany> richardcavell, try NX
[11:03] <richardcavell> Spikemcc: well, that is a backup
[11:03] <Spikemcc> but a for a pain free linux that backup well, Slitaz
[11:04] <richardcavell> deany: it requires installation on both client and server?
[11:04] <moncky> richardcavell: yeah works great
[11:04] <deany> richardcavell, i find ubuntus (vnc) works well, but try FreeNX , yes client and server
[11:04] <moncky> jetienne: google implementations? got a link?
[11:04] <richardcavell> deany: what package am I looking at?
[11:04] <Spikemcc> you can just copy Slitaz files to another pc without any worry, redo a live cd, dvd, usb ... no pain ...
[11:04] <deany> richardcavell, there is a guide if you google
[11:04] <Spikemcc> but it's a limited linux ...
[11:05] <ahughes^> hey... I just bought a new 1TB HDD.... I want to dual boot xp & ubuntu... what filesystem should I use?
[11:05] <richardcavell> deany: okay.  It's not in the repos
[11:05] <angel_> moncky: can I get windows images via cobble?
[11:05] <Spikemcc> richardcavell not a real backup, no structure, no real backups timed and all...
[11:05] <jetienne> http://code.google.com/p/neatx/ <- moncky release a few weeks ago
[11:05] <Spikemcc> I can lose all every night
[11:05] <moncky> ahughes^: ntfs for windows, and etx3 or ext4 for linux
[11:06] <zealiod> when receiving mail from a ubuntu server the attachments are always inline as "This is a multi-part message in MIME format" - how can I adjust the server settings to prevent this?
[11:06] <jetienne> moncky: if you test it, msg me, i am interested :)
[11:06] <richardcavell> Spikemcc: I've learned my lesson when it comes to losing important data
[11:06] <Spikemcc> ext3 is better
[11:06] <erikk71> hello
[11:06] <erikk71> all
[11:06] <Spikemcc> use a software to read your drives on windows if needed
[11:06] <ahughes^> moncky, I need to share the drive... dual boot.
[11:07] <moncky> angel_: they have been working on windows implementation though I have not checked for a while, ask in #cobbler
[11:07] <Spikemcc> richardcavell the lesson I know but never learn ... I hate backups ...
[11:07] <ahughes^> Spikemcc, better for whom? I can only find a ext2 windows driver.
[11:07] <techie> ahughes^, the software that spike reffered to is ext2fs
[11:07] <moncky> ahughes^: yeah you will need to partition the disk first, which is done as part of the installation process
[11:07] <Spikemcc> it read ext3
[11:07] <ahughes^> techie, yep... how does that relate to ext3?
[11:07] <deany> richardcavell, thought about ssh and X forwarding?
[11:08] <moncky> ahughes^: for example when you install ubuntu partition 500MB for linux and leave 500MB untouched
[11:08] <techie> Ahadiel, it contains drivers that allow mounting and read/write of ext2 and ext3 drives in windows
[11:08] <ahughes^> moncky, nah... the o/s's are on another drive (yet to be purchased to tell you the truth)
[11:08] <richardcavell> deany: I'd like to do something like that I think
[11:08] <Spikemcc> techie thanks I was searching the name
[11:08] <deany> richardcavell, remote use the app and not the whole desktop,
[11:08] <richardcavell> deany: If remote desktop is unusable then it might as well not exist
[11:09] <Ahadiel> techie, I'm sure it does.
[11:09] <moncky> i think I may have missed somthing, you have a 1TB drive and want to install both ubuntu and windows on their?
[11:09] <moncky> ahughes^: sorry installed on there
[11:09] <deany> richardcavell, Ive used it over slow links and it works fine for me...  but either try NX server or ssh X forwarding.
[11:09] <richardcavell> okay
[11:09] <richardcavell> free nx
[11:09] <guest37535> why would anyone want to dual boot to windows?!
[11:09] <grawity> guest37535: why not?
[11:09] <techie> Ahadiel, sorry about hat that message was meant for ahughes^, should typed more character before tabbing
[11:09] <guest37535> grawity: vmware..
[11:09] <richardcavell> guest37535: games
[11:10] <iceroot> guest37535: games-loader
[11:10] <grawity> guest37535: On a machine with 256 MB RAM? No thanks.
[11:10] <guest37535> richardcavell: oh yeah, fair enough
[11:10] <techie> guest37535, some of us like to do things that you cant do in linux, like play resource intensive games
[11:10] <Spikemcc> if you're not affraid of french language try Framakey Ubuntu-fr remix usb key (mostly a software) ubuntu 9.04 32 bits in french with portables softwares for windows, linux and mac, shared datas ... worth a watch even for you ... a good an decent tool ...
[11:11] <guest37535> grawity: dunno, I haven't booted windows in 2 years except at work & don't miss it
[11:11] <iceroot> guest37535: as some people say, you need windows for games
[11:11] <Spikemcc> it's a persistant data usb key ... not live only so you can put it back in english slowly ...
[11:11] <iceroot> guest37535: but vboc 3.0 can use 3d hardware
[11:11] <wojtek0490> Hi everyone
[11:11] <iceroot> vbox
[11:12] <Eretik> hello what is perl version in ubuntu-8.04.3 lts
[11:12] <richardcavell> iceroot: still not fantastic support though
[11:12] <ahughes^> Spikemcc / moncky, so you are saying to format the drive as  ext2 with ext2fs... but how does that differ to ext3? Or should I just use ntfs and then ubuntu just has gloabal read/write on that mount?
[11:12] <iceroot> richardcavell: yes :( left4dead was not working
[11:12] <richardcavell> iceroot: I can't get Half-Life 1 to run
[11:12] <richardcavell> hardly taxing on modern hardware
[11:12] <indus> who knows aboutr H 264 codecs
[11:12] <iceroot> richardcavell: hl1 runs fine with wine
[11:13] <richardcavell> iceroot: not for me it doesn't
[11:13] <deany> richardcavell, nx relies on ssh anyway... so you`ll need that setup to use mx
[11:13] <deany> nx*
[11:13] <Spikemcc> ext 2 or 3 should do ... ext2 isn't journalized so use ext3 ...
[11:13] <richardcavell> deany: my ssh server is working beautifully
[11:13] <richardcavell> I've spent all weekend getting it to work
[11:13] <deany> k
[11:14] <Spikemcc> I use ntfs and ext3 drive here ... and a little linux-swap that's all
[11:14] <moncky> ahughes^: it all depends, you said you want to dual boot, so you would have one ntfs partition for windows and then ext3 or ext4 partitions for linux
[11:14] <moncky> ahughes^: I dont see where the confusion here is or where you need the help
[11:14] <grawity> I would recommend ext3, as it can be accessed from Windows (there are at least two third-party drivers for that).
[11:15] <indus> H 264 vcodecs who knows
[11:15] <binay> help, no sound on my fresh ubuntu install
[11:15] <Eretik> what is perl version in ubuntu-8.04.3-lts,pls
[11:15] <binay> the sound is onboard, ubuntu 8.04
[11:15] <ahughes^> Spikemcc, problem is there is no ext3 option from ext2fs is there? At the moment I must format this from windows... copy everything off my existing hard disk (windows xp) to the new drive.... then format the existing drive and split into two partitions... XP and ubuntu. But the new drive needs to work with both o/s's
[11:16] <Spikemcc> richardcavell you seem mostly a security specialist, what do you recommand me for security ? backup software for advanced/pro home user and drive encryption ...
[11:16] <Spikemcc> ext2fs work try after ...
[11:16] <richardcavell> Spikemcc: for security?  That's a general question. Backup software... I'm using grsync right now to sync my internal drive with a detachable external drive.
[11:17] <ahughes^> Spikemcc, yeah... why don't I just try :D
[11:17] <Spikemcc> if not there diskeeper linux reader or something like
[11:17] <richardcavell> Spikemcc: As to drive encryption, there are tutorials at ubuntuforums.  You can encrypt your whole / (filesystem)
[11:18] <moncky> richardcavell: even /boot ?
[11:18] <Spikemcc> richardcavell others ideas for rock-solid hackers proof laptop, I could even hand to a hacker for a year without worring or almost ...
[11:18] <leaf-sheep> moncky: No, not /boot.  Silly creature. :)
[11:19] <deever> is there a reason why python2.6 is not available in 8.04 LTS?
[11:19] <moncky> leaf-sheep: :P#
[11:19] <grawity> moncky: if it's possible with TrueCrypt, then it must be possible with Linux too
[11:19] <richardcavell> moncky: yes you can
[11:19] <davidh38> hey guys, i have a question about routing, does anyone know a good irc channel?
[11:19] <grawity> davidh38: ##linux? ##networking?
[11:19] <binay> I can get sound running on ubuntu :/
[11:19] <leaf-sheep> !sound | binay
[11:19] <richardcavell> moncky: it is possible with GRUB2.  I've been told GRUB can do it but it's finicky
[11:20] <moncky> richardcavell: ah, is that new, I was allways under the impression that /boot had to be unencrypted
[11:20] <davidh38> grawity, just have quesion about my netgear router, nothing concerning the OS
[11:20] <richardcavell> moncky: it is said to be possible.  But remember GRUB has to be on an unencrypted partition
[11:21] <erikk71> got to goto office depot an best buy
[11:21] <richardcavell> moncky: So you could just as well put /boot there as well
[11:21] <erikk71> i need bigger hard drive
[11:22] <Spikemcc> erickk71 I need a new drive every week, damn downloads omg !!!
[11:23] <wild_oscar> for an Intel E8500 core 2 duo, should I download ubuntu server 64 or 32 bit?
[11:23] <Spikemcc> 64 bits
[11:23] <richardcavell> wild_oscar: your choice.  64 bit will work fine
[11:24] <Spikemcc> why you don't take the minimal cd ?
[11:24] <wild_oscar> I have no idea what the difference is - I even thought the whole 32 vs 64 bit discussion had vanished with the arrival of dual and quad core
[11:24] <Spikemcc> !minimal cd
[11:25] <iceroot> wild_oscar: no, its just because of the ram-size
[11:25] <Spikemcc> 32 bits less compilation, 64 bits a little more ...
[11:25] <wild_oscar> iceroot: how so?
[11:25] <binay> how do i know if my sound card is not supported by alsa?
[11:25] <iceroot> wild_oscar: with 32bit you can only adress 4gb
[11:25] <Spikemcc> the ram issues isn't all true cause you could use 4 Go of ram on a 32 bits os with a twaek
[11:26] <Spikemcc> tweak
[11:26] <Spikemcc> iceroot the limit was 3 Go or 3,5Go
[11:26] <unop> binay, check.  http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Alsa_Preferred_Soundcards
[11:26] <iceroot> Spikemcc: no, limit is 4GB
[11:26] <wild_oscar> this is a 4 gb machine where I'm going to try (for the first time) virtualization
[11:26] <iceroot> Spikemcc: 4gb = ram + pci-adress-space
[11:27] <lesshaste> iceroot, you need a user/kernel split
[11:27] <Spikemcc> wild_oscar 64 bits on linux is decent...
[11:27] <wild_oscar> so it'll have a Linux OS with 2 virtual Linux machines inside
[11:27] <lesshaste> iceroot, so you can't get 4gb just for the userspace
[11:27] <Spikemcc> not at all on windows ... stay on 32 bits on it ...
[11:27] <iceroot> lesshaste: of course you can, use PAE
[11:28] <binay> I have Intel Corporation 82801G , it supports 82801AA,82901AB,i810,i820,i830,i840,i845,MX440; SiS 7012; Ali 5455
[11:28] <binay> does that mean it doesn't support my sound card?
[11:28] <Spikemcc> maybe windows 7 will be 64 bits friendly for real but I wait until that ...
[11:28] <richardcavell> Win 7 will have 32 and 64 bit versions on the same DVD
[11:28] <iceroot> Spikemcc: lesshaste wild_oscar http://www.infopackets.com/news/hardware/2006/20060824_32_bit_vs_64_bit_systems_whats_the_difference.htm
[11:29] <wild_oscar> thanks iceroot, reading it
[11:29] <deever> is there a reason why python2.6 is not available in 8.04 LTS?
[11:30] <iceroot> deever: ubuntu never upgrade a software, just security-fixes
[11:30] <indus> deever: hmm i thought it was 2.6
[11:30] <indus> deever: np install 2.6 and run it
[11:31] <Matr|X> Couldn't find your OpenSSL library installation dir
[11:31] <Matr|X> Use --with-openssl option to fix this problem
[11:31] <Spikemcc> richardcavell I admit that I liked windows 7 when I tried, a little vista oversized style but it's so easy my mother could use it ...
[11:31] <wild_oscar> software-wise, is it the same? I sometimes read on blogs/forums that people have a hard time installing/using software and someone comes along with the "oh, you're running 64 bit" kill phrase
[11:31] <guest8673678> If I want root on raid 0, should I use the intel drivers or software raid.... ?
[11:31] <richardcavell> Spikemcc: I think they got Win 7 right
[11:32] <Matr|X> im hi
[11:32] <leaf-sheep> richardcavell: Sup with that modem?
[11:32] <Spikemcc> richardcave you have crypted linux with witch software ?
[11:32] <richardcavell> leaf-sheep: hey man, I got it all working
[11:32] <richardcavell> leaf-sheep: you can ssh to me if you like
[11:32] <richardcavell> Spikemcc: I haven't encrypted it
[11:32] <leaf-sheep> richardcavell: What was the issue? The link I gave you worked?
[11:33] <Matr|X> im trying to compile rdesktop
[11:33] <richardcavell> leaf-sheep: almost.  It was the modem that was blocking port 22
[11:33] <leaf-sheep> Spikemcc: I'm using encrypted + lvm system. If you want to encrypt your system, you want alternative ISO.
[11:33] <Spikemcc> richardcavell yes but it's oversized a little ... they could have done a little more tweaking ...
[11:33] <Matr|X> and evry thing is good but some error after ./configr
[11:33] <leaf-sheep> richardcavell: Ahh, nice.  So you found it yourself and remove the setting?
[11:33] <Matr|X> im trying to compile rdesktop  when i do ./configer at work but at the end give me this error Couldn't find your OpenSSL library installation dir
[11:33] <Matr|X> Use --with-openssl option to fix this problem
[11:34] <richardcavell> leaf-sheep: in order to port forward through the modem, you need to forward <IP_ADDRESS> to my local IP
[11:34] <richardcavell> I never would have guessed that
[11:34] <deever> indus: sure, but from source...
[11:34] <richardcavell> but it's in the F. manual
[11:34] <indus> deever: its in synaptic
[11:34] <real34> (re)hi all... I have this tree for my disks/partitions "sda > sda1 / sdb > sdb1 - sdb2", do you know how I could know the name of a given partition/disk please?
[11:34] <leaf-sheep> Matr|X: rdesktop can be found in Ubuntu repo.
[11:34] <Matr|X> i got it alrady
[11:34] <Matr|X> but im trying to compile it again
[11:34] <wiseman> hay guise
[11:34] <indus> deever: backports
[11:34] <leaf-sheep> richardcavell: I see. I did gave you the <IP_ADDRESS> in the past.  All is well now though. :)
[11:34] <wiseman> So check it
[11:35] <richardcavell> leaf-sheep: so anyway, I'm happily ssh-ing and remote desktopping and so on
[11:35] <indus> hay wiseman
[11:35] <real34> (I am using pysdm and would like to automount them)
[11:35] <leaf-sheep> !compile > Matr|X
[11:35] <wiseman> I'm trying to buy a netbook and I think I know the one I want
[11:35] <wiseman> Lenovo S10-2
[11:35] <wiseman> I know, awesome, right?
[11:35] <indus> what UPS would i require for power back up of 2 hours?
[11:35] <wiseman> I NEED A COUPON CODE
[11:35] <indus> what UPS would i require for power back up of 1 hours?
[11:36] <wiseman> indus: LOL I PREFER FEDEX
[11:36] <Matr|X> why give me this erros i need no erros
[11:36] <Matr|X> Couldn't find your OpenSSL library installation dir
[11:36] <Matr|X> Use --with-openssl option to fix this problem
[11:36] <indus> wiseman: fedex?
[11:36] <th0r> Matr|X: you need to install openssl
[11:36] <wiseman> I've tried googling for coupon codes, does anyone know where to get the hookup on a lenovo s10-2?
[11:36] <Matr|X> ok
[11:36] <wild_oscar> and on another doubt: is it better to install Ubuntu server + install gnome or just install Desktop and then install all the server stuff (ssh, etc)?
[11:36] <th0r> Matr|X: then run ./configure again
[11:36] <Matr|X> openssl is already the newest version.
[11:37] <wiseman> anyone?
[11:37] <wiseman> halp!
[11:37] <Spikemcc> !encryption
[11:37] <real34> I am using pysdm and would like to automount a disk and a partition. I have this tree for my disks/partitions "sda > sda1 / sdb > sdb1 - sdb2", do you know how I could know the name of a given partition/disk please?
[11:37] <Spikemcc> !crypt
[11:37] <th0r> Matr|X: then try installing libssl-dev and doing the configure again
[11:37] <Sh3r1ff> wild_oscar: why would you install X on a server?
[11:38] <wiseman> WINDOWS VISTA IS THE BEST EVER
[11:38] <wiseman> ...now that i have your attention
[11:38] <Matr|X> alright master :D
[11:38] <th0r> Matr|X: when ./configure fails you usually need to install a -dev file...most often a lib<name>-dev file
[11:38] <Spikemcc> Vista wiseman can I hurt you ?
[11:38] <Sh3r1ff> wiseman: nice try to get the attention here ;)
[11:39] <wild_oscar> Sh3r1ff: I'm trying Virtualbox for the first time and probably won't feel comfortable with its command line yet
[11:39] <Matr|X> yes
[11:39] <leaf-sheep> wild_oscar: What command line?
[11:39] <wild_oscar> command line configuration
[11:39] <wiseman> Spikemcc: Sh3r1ff: no, just trying to buy a netbook
[11:39] <wild_oscar> it can be configured in the shell as well
[11:39]  * Spikemcc put a blonde brain in wiseman head ... there it should be way enough to work
[11:39] <leaf-sheep> wild_oscar: You're trying to install PUEL Virtualbox?
[11:40] <leaf-sheep> wild_oscar: Err, can you send the link of what you're trying to follow?
[11:40] <Spikemcc> wiseman buy it, you don't need coupons ... are you poor ?
[11:40] <wiseman> Spikemcc: yes, I am poor, you jackass
[11:40] <wild_oscar> leaf-sheep: or the OSE
[11:40] <wild_oscar> leaf-sheep: http://www.virtualbox.org/
[11:40] <leaf-sheep> wild_oscar: You know the differences, right?
[11:40] <wiseman> if I can do free shipping or save 50 bucks, i'd like to.
[11:41] <iceroot> how to check what type of font a pdf is using?
[11:41] <Sh3r1ff> wiseman: i'm not poor and even i like too ;)
[11:41] <wild_oscar> leaf-sheep: yeah, OSE is probably a headache to install, doesn't have usb but won't have issues if I install it on my company's server
[11:41] <Spikemcc> wiseman take Slitaz and an old ultra slim laptop or an old desktop ... It will work well ...
[11:41] <wild_oscar> (usb = virtual usb)
[11:41] <Sh3r1ff> wild_oscar: install vmware server ;)
[11:42] <wiseman> Spikemcc: I'm getting a lenovo s10-2
[11:42] <wild_oscar> Sh3r1ff:  that's probably 500 or 1000 euro
[11:42] <richardcavell_> sorry guys power in my house failed.
[11:42] <leaf-sheep> wild_oscar: PUEL is more headache than OSE, I think.  OSE is already in Ubuntu repo, I believe.
[11:42] <Sh3r1ff> wild_oscar: vmware server is free ;)
[11:42] <richardcavell_> Can anyone vouch for the recent updates to wine?  Is it significantly better than it was before?  I'm looking to run steam games
[11:43] <wild_oscar> leaf-sheep: isn't it the other way around? I thought it was the PUEL which was on the repos
[11:43] <Matr|X> config.status: creating Makefile
[11:43] <Matr|X> is this good ?
[11:43] <leaf-sheep> wild_oscar: You have it the other way. ;)
[11:43] <wild_oscar> ie, at least in http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads they only point you to the OSE's source code
[11:43] <th0r> Matr|X: that means it is completing
[11:43] <Spikemcc> Sh3r1ff free for a limited time maybe and won't evolve more than an open source product ...
[11:43] <wild_oscar> and have .debs of the PUEL
[11:43] <th0r> Matr|X: next step is 'make'
[11:44] <Matr|X> now give me erros with make bro
[11:44] <wild_oscar> leaf-sheep: is OSE in the official 9.04 repos?
[11:44] <leaf-sheep> wild_oscar: Yes.
[11:44] <wild_oscar> even better then :)
[11:44] <leaf-sheep> !info virtualbox-ose | wild_oscar
[11:44] <th0r> Matr|X: is it returning errors or just warnings?
[11:44] <Matr|X> errors
[11:44] <leaf-sheep> wild_oscar: Here you go. :)
[11:44] <Spikemcc> in two years Virtual box has matched VmWare ... in a few years VmWare could be history ...
[11:44] <Matr|X> xwin.c:2527: error:
[11:44] <real34> Sorry, but I try again :D I am using pysdm and would like to automount a disk and a partition. I have this tree for my disks/partitions "sda > sda1 / sdb > sdb1 - sdb2", do you know how I could know the name of a given partition/disk please?
[11:44] <wild_oscar> oh; still the 2.x version, though
[11:44] <Matr|X> all erros
[11:45] <th0r> Matr|X: pastebin the errors
[11:45] <wild_oscar> (it's already in 3.x)
[11:45] <Matr|X> ok
[11:45] <Sh3r1ff> Spikemcc: vmware server is totally free, check it out on the vmware site, and i can't complain about the evolution of vmware
[11:45] <richardcavell_> Spikemcc: VBox is undergoing rapid development
[11:45] <richardcavell_> Look at the changelogs.  They're working feverishly on it
[11:45] <wild_oscar> Sh3r1ff: free for personal use, right?
[11:45] <Adlai> Is there any way to apt-get packages off my Ubuntu installation CD?
[11:45] <leaf-sheep> wild_oscar: Yup. Ubuntu only update security fixes.  You may get virtualbox-ose 3.0 in karmic.
[11:45] <leaf-sheep> !info virtualbox-ose karmic
[11:46] <Sh3r1ff> Spikemcc: in the new version, you can administrate all the vm's in a web browser
[11:46] <Spikemcc> Sher1ff : and Virtualbox work better on linux than VmWare ...
[11:46] <richardcavell_> Spikemcc: the same codebase works on all kinds of hosts and all kinds of guests
[11:46] <richardcavell_> (but only x86 chips of course)
[11:46] <richardcavell_> forget about previous versions of vbox
[11:46] <richardcavell_> install 3.0.2
[11:47] <Sh3r1ff> wild_oscar: you can run it in your company, no prob
[11:47] <Adlai> I tried installing wicd, and it uninstalled network-manager. Is there any way that I can get network-manager off my installation CD?
[11:47] <richardcavell_> I trust Sun to work hard on the 3D support
[11:47] <richardcavell_> and fix all the bugs
[11:47] <wild_oscar> richardcavell: do you know of any repo for 3.x?
[11:47] <Adlai> Please help, I'm stuck using the Windows XP boot for now.
[11:47] <Sh3r1ff> wild_oscar: it is a free download and you just need to register for a free licence key
[11:47] <Matr|X> http://pastebin.com/d6002e9cf
[11:47] <Spikemcc> Sh3r1ff VmWare no need at all ...
[11:47] <richardcavell_> wild_oscar: no, you download it from virtualbox.org
[11:48] <richardcavell_> wild_oscar: actually http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian main free
[11:48] <Adlai> Anybody? Is there any way to download packages from my CD?
[11:48] <Spikemcc> that will be Virtualbox for little uses or directly Ubuntu Jeos Virtualization
[11:48] <richardcavell_> add deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian main free to software sources
[11:49] <Adlai> Please help! I'm stuck on Windows until I can get network-manager on Ubuntu again!
[11:50] <wild_oscar> hmm...I will try that once I install the server then
[11:50] <Spikemcc> I share my wifi with my VM, dream of that on VmWare ... it isn't working as I remember ...
[11:51] <wild_oscar> worst case I can always checkinstall
[11:51] <Spikemcc> richardcavell_ the VM 3d is slowly working on VmWare and VirtualBox as I know
[11:51] <richardcavell_> Spikemcc: it's still officially experimental on VBox
[11:51] <Adlai> any ideas?
[11:51] <richardcavell_> they're actually encouraging the use of WineD3D
[11:51] <wild_oscar> I didn't know vmware was also OSE, though
[11:52] <Spikemcc> Adlai > sudo apt-get install wicd (on your terminal)
[11:52] <Spikemcc> change it for better
[11:52] <budo> anyone know scripts?
[11:52] <Adlai> Spikemcc: huh? that won't work because I have no networking on ubuntu atm!
[11:52] <jrib> budo: can you be more specific?
[11:52] <Adlai> I installed wicd, it doesn't see the wireless networks, and now I want to get network-manager back.
[11:53] <Spikemcc> Adlai connect to a network cable man ...
[11:53] <Adlai> Don't have one...
[11:53] <indus> Adlai: in terminal type nm-applet
[11:53] <indus> Adlai: and you will have it back
[11:53] <Spikemcc> sudo apt-get install network-manager then add the applet
[11:54] <Xerro> Hallo, ich habe Probleme das Root verzeichnis via sudo ls > /root anzusehen. Wie kann ich das noch berwerkstelligen?
[11:54] <Adlai> is there no way to get it off the installation CD?
[11:54] <Spikemcc> wicd see wifi connection I'm on it now ...
[11:54] <indus> i need help with lirc
[11:54] <indus> !lirc
[11:54] <Adlai> Spikemcc: that's nice, it didn't see mine :-/
[11:54] <indus> !info lirc
[11:54] <AdvoWork> Is there any way to view/be able to open, files on a network, ie theyre samba shared in bookmarks, but that wont list in a open dialog.
[11:54] <Spikemcc> Adlai can you tell me more about your connection ?
[11:54] <Xerro> Is anyone who can speak german?
[11:54] <Adlai> uh it's a wireless connection?
[11:55] <leaf-sheep> !german | Xerro
[11:55] <budo> see i want root to allow other members to run a script...except, when its run it has commands in it that are outside of their path and permissions...so, what can i do?
[11:55] <indus> !de | Xerro
[11:55] <Adlai> I'm on a thinkpad T400
[11:55] <Adlai> network-manager worked fine, shit only broke now that I tried to use wicd.
[11:55] <iMatter> I'm having panel issues, every reboot the icons on the right mostly jumble up and scramble around that side of panel and yes they are locked  sometimes the left icons jumble but rarely.
[11:55] <wild_oscar> leaf-sheep: do you use Virtualbox exclusively through a shell?
[11:55] <Xerro> thx
[11:55] <Spikemcc> I will help you with my wicd ... but wep, wpa, wpa2 connection ???
[11:55] <iMatter> Adlai, did you go into wicd preferences, and make sure it has the right device
[11:55] <indus> Xerro: or you can ask in english and we will try to help
[11:56] <leaf-sheep> wild_oscar: What do you mean?  I install Virtualbox and start it from GUI, although I think that can be accomplished via shell too.
[11:56] <iMatter> Adlai, go to wicd, press preferences and tell me the wifi device
[11:56] <Adlai> iMatter: I'm in fucking WinXP b/c I have no internet on my Ubuntu boot.
[11:56] <leaf-sheep> !language | Adlai
[11:56] <Adlai> sorry.
[11:56] <Adlai> How do I get a GUI for wicd?
[11:57] <Spikemcc> Adlai there is one ...
[11:57] <mOrO^> Adlai: you sound like a Repbulican!
[11:57] <iMatter> Adlai, well when you get to ubuntu go to wicd, press perferences and see what it says under Wi-Fi interface
[11:57] <deever> indus: under which name is python2.6 in hardy-backports?
[11:57] <lint> hello, could someone tell me ewhether it is possible to install ubuntu without bunring it to a cd?
[11:57] <wild_oscar> leaf-sheep: relates to my previous desktop vs server edition question - installing desktop edition means installing all its crap (office, gimp, etc), when all I really want is server + an X desktop for virtualbox management
[11:57] <indus> deever: i only suggested searching in that
[11:57] <indus> deever: wait let me check
[11:57] <Adlai> iMatter: how do I "go to wicd"?
[11:57] <Spikemcc> Applications>Network>wicd on your gnome menu
[11:57] <wild_oscar> but I recall it to be more difficult to install server edition and then an X environment
[11:58] <Adlai> ok, I'll try that out.
[11:58] <iMatter> Adlai, type wicd-client into terminal
[11:58] <indus> lint: use a usb
[11:58] <Adlai> Thank you Spikemcc iMatter and mOrO^ (for the humor)
[11:58] <richardcavell_> lint: usb key
[11:58] <iMatter> adlai WAIT...
[11:58] <leaf-sheep> wild_oscar: I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish.  Why do you want X on your server?
[11:58] <Spikemcc> it's not humor ... it's true
[11:58] <indus> richardcavell_: iam guessing, i copy the iso to usb then boot from usb?
[11:58] <lint> richardcavell_ i dont have a usb key
[11:58] <iMatter> ah well he'll be back
[11:58] <Spikemcc> !wicd
[11:59] <Spikemcc> !wifi
[11:59] <richardcavell_> indus: don't copy the iso to the usb
[11:59] <wild_oscar> leaf-sheep: it is where I'm putting Virtualbox
[11:59] <richardcavell_> indus: you 'burn' it to the usb
[11:59] <indus> richardcavell_: huh what? how?
[11:59] <leaf-sheep> wild_oscar: Servers don't use GUI at all.  Also, people at #ubuntu-server can help you figure out what you want.  There also are virtualization which could do the job too.
[11:59] <dsdeiz> hello, how do u force a webpage to open in a new tab in epiphany?
[11:59] <lint> richardcavell_, is there any other way?
[11:59] <leaf-sheep> !virtualization | wild_oscar
[11:59] <richardcavell_> lint: well, external hard disk
[11:59] <jrib> dsdeiz: you mean as opposed to a new window?
[12:00] <dsdeiz> jrib: yep
[12:00] <richardcavell_> lint: how else do you want it to work?  You have to have an image of Ubuntu and boot from it
[12:00] <lint> richardcavell_, yes i have the iso, but i cant use my cd-rom drive and i do not have a usb key