[04:25] <thegreedyturtle> ok doug, the reason is because any file that starts with a . is a hidden file
[04:25] <spartacus> shad0w1e, hmm. which wm do we use now?
[04:25] <danko123456> jordanau: I said that before you said yours, I mean, I hadnt read yours befiore I said that, and I only said it cause that is what the abreviation means.
[04:25] <shad0w1e> kwin?
[04:25] <g14> blueyed, oh, sorry
[04:25] <danko123456> hahaha
[04:25] <doug__> k, looking
[04:25] <danko123456> you really area a hybrid...
[04:25] <spartacus> shad0w1e, kbuntu?
[04:25] <shad0w1e> it didnt work on gnome either
[04:25] <jordanau> hybrid, you are installing internet explorer on a linux machine?
[04:25] <shad0w1e> spartacus: yes
[04:25] <danko123456> he is running linux, and wine, and wants to install IE6...
[04:25] <GHOSTless> How should I go about exiting gnome and running fluxbox?
[04:26] <danko123456> come on....
[04:26] <thegreedyturtle> so you either gotta show hidden files, in view menu, or go to it directly
[04:26] <shad0w1e> which idiot would want internet explorer?
[04:26] <hybrid> yup jordanau
[04:26] <jordanau> danko123456, i am glad you corrected me
[04:26] <MindSpore> danko: that's the worst idea i've ever heard
[04:26] <danko123456> I did not...
[04:26] <blueyed> g14, so any LILO expert around? Might be safer to install grub then before I can _again_ not boot.
[04:26] <bluefoxicy> g14:  what
[04:26] <danko123456> told you, I read that after I wrote mine...
[04:26] <doug__> there is a folder called nautilus scripts
[04:26] <g14> GHOSTless, why don't you post to a forum or try google
[04:26] <spartacus> shad0w1e, ok. i don't use it too much, but kde channel should be able to help with xinerama probelms
[04:26] <thegreedyturtle> there is eh?
[04:26] <hybrid> i'm just trying out things to work...
[04:26] <shad0w1e> spartacus: its not like its working on GNOME either...
[04:26] <thegreedyturtle> doug__, try putting the script in there
[04:26] <GHOSTless> g14, i tried google but with not much luck
[04:26] <doug__> is that where i should have saved the open as root file?
[04:26] <danko123456> so how do you need help then?
[04:26] <spartacus> GHOSTless, select it on the login sfreen under session
[04:26] <hybrid> you know... exploring the world of linux and its capabilities
[04:26] <thegreedyturtle> yeah
[04:26] <danko123456> its a trivial thing, youll never use...
[04:26] <shad0w1e> GNOME uses metacity I believe...
[04:27] <danko123456> right...
[04:27] <GHOSTless> spartacus, thanks
[04:27] <danko123456> I dont suggest IE...
[04:27] <g14> bluefoxicy: Are you the PAX evangelist I read about on LKML and got into an argument on wikipedia (NX) about?
[04:27] <danko123456> I mean, i did not like it in windows...
[04:27] <jordanau> danko123456, haha agreed
[04:27] <danko123456> No, really..
[04:27] <hybrid> i need to know if there are thing that should be changed in the config file in order to run IE6
[04:27] <danko123456> he is having a big headache installing IE6, through wine in linux...
[04:27] <thegreedyturtle> but you have to make sure that it is executable, so right click the script when you put it there, and then permissions tab and check all three  execute boxes
[04:27] <jordanau> hybrid, IE is so ingrained in windows that sounds like a very difficult thing to do
[04:27] <danko123456> not sure, sorry, hybrid.
[04:28] <lexhider> debs for packages that installed yesterday are no longer in /var/cache/apt/archives, is there some automagic removal I'm not aware of?
[04:28] <thegreedyturtle> danko123456, did you ever get the Scripts thing to work?
[04:28] <hybrid> yeah! thanks
[04:28] <warty> WHY IS LINUX FREE
[04:28] <danko123456> I am not trying, that guy doug is...
[04:28] <danko123456> rtfm
[04:28] <danko123456> haha
[04:28] <shad0w1e> people HATE IE
[04:28] <danko123456> im evil tonight
[04:28] <shad0w1e> why would you try it on linux?
[04:28] <thegreedyturtle> warty, because there's a lot of bored geeks that can't get any action
[04:28] <danko123456> exadctly...
[04:28] <shad0w1e> not that I think its even possible...
[04:28] <doug__> yay! i have scripts!
[04:28] <danko123456> not a bad anbswer.
[04:28] <thegreedyturtle> danko123456, i thought you were workin on it too
[04:28] <danko123456> pretty good, doug.
[04:28] <thegreedyturtle> doug__, :)
[04:29] <g14> warty, It is this thing called open source
[04:29] <bluefoxicy> g14:  yeah why?
[04:29] <danko123456> Yeah, for him..
[04:29] <jordanau> warty, read up on gnu/gpl
[04:29] <hybrid> we're doing a project, and we just want to make fun using IE6
[04:29] <doug__> thanks alot! feeling much better now!
[04:29] <warty> k
[04:29] <danko123456> make fun? like produce it?
[04:29] <shad0w1e> i think your project is gonna fail
[04:29] <g14> bluefoxicy: Just curious, I'm probably going to ask you some Pax questions down the road
[04:29] <warty> ok
[04:29] <thegreedyturtle> y' welcome, i think i'll update that how come a bit
[04:29] <bluefoxicy> kay
[04:29] <shad0w1e> I know you can run the windows Firefox browser on linux... I did that
[04:29] <danko123456> youre welcome, doug...we feel much better 2:)
[04:29] <jordanau> warty, that explains a lot about open source software
[04:30] <shad0w1e> but IE is a whole different story
[04:30] <warty> what gnu/gpl
[04:30] <hybrid> its not a project about IE but a project about linux and wine...
[04:30] <shad0w1e> I also got mIRC to work. linux
[04:30] <shad0w1e> winzip, winrar
[04:30] <jordanau> warty, the liscence that open source software is published under
[04:30] <shad0w1e> but IE is a WHOLE different story
[04:30] <warty> ok
[04:30] <MindSpore> is there something similar to Daemon Tools for linux?
[04:30] <warty> do not know what the hell your talking about
[04:30] <warty> but ok
[04:30] <josh42> IE is a different story because they use windows bits they havn't told /anyone/ about yet
[04:30] <danko123456> it is free cause the person that builds it has another source of income...and did this as a hobby....
[04:31] <warty> i am a wendows man
[04:31] <g14> warty: Imagine this... You have a guy that makes something small for himself. It works and he likes it. He releases it to everyone else for free with the source code
[04:31] <hybrid> IE, compared to other windows apps, is a different story. it is very easy to install other apps but not IE esp. IE6
[04:31] <hybrid> i mean windows apps on linux
[04:31] <natex> MindSpore, mount -o loop some.iso /mnt/loop
[04:31] <jordanau> warty, i thought you were running linux right now
[04:31] <warty> k
[04:31] <g14> warty: Those people take the source code and make it better because they want to add features that they will use
[04:31] <danko123456> and he knew he could never do it huimself, so he made all his work public...and asked others using his code to do so as well.
[04:31] <danko123456> taht is the linux side
[04:31] <warty> i am
[04:31] <danko123456> the OS is GNU/Linux...
[04:31] <shad0w1e> basiccaly, programs that dont need to be installed, and can just run, are a good bet on wine
[04:31] <g14> warty: More and more people contribute until it is something great
[04:31] <jordanau> warty, do you loke it?
[04:31] <warty> and i made a bet with my paster
[04:32] <danko123456> Linux is the kernel part, the software is GNU
[04:32] <danko123456> and so on, goes the story.
[04:32] <danko123456> :P
[04:32] <spartacus> i've got a sound problem. desktop clicks and beeps works great through esd. but i want to use alsa for output from xine and xmms and similar. for some reason, esd needs to be killed to let apps access alsa. any way to make it all play nicely?
[04:32] <jordanau> warty, a gambling pastor haha
[04:32] <shad0w1e> well yes, the GNU kernel I hear is buggy
[04:32] <warty> yep
[04:32] <g14> warty: It gets so great that big corporations like IBM, CISCO, HP, Compaq, and others hire programmers to make it better full time
[04:32] <josh42> anyone know why hoary doesn't come with wine preconfigured?
[04:32] <g14> warty: That is why linux is free
[04:32] <karljp> spartacus, there's something on the restricted formats wiki about that
[04:32] <karljp> you need to modify the esd conf file to have it close when it's not in use
[04:32] <natex> g14 tucks in the kids
[04:32] <karljp> instead of staying open and holding the sound card device
[04:32] <warty> he bet me that for my frist desk job that i will sit down to a linux computer
[04:33] <g14> lol at natex
[04:33] <nate_> josh42: its not too commonly used and possibly couldn't get permission from the wine people?
[04:33] <hybrid> anyone using an Asus p4s800 mobo around here? got a prob with my built-in sound card.
[04:33] <warty> so i gess if i am i better lean it
[04:33] <warty> lol
[04:33] <nate_> josh42: usually its gamers that use it, and thats cedega
[04:33] <g14> warty: Download the ubuntu live cd and play with it
[04:33] <danko123456> not sure I like your story...
[04:33] <nate_> warty: download ubuntu and play! :)
[04:33] <danko123456> g14...
[04:33] <warty> thats what i am doing
[04:33] <daryl_> Look's like I came to the right spot.  I just finally got linux up and running for the 1st time!
[04:34] <danko123456> does not explain it completely.
[04:34] <g14> danko123456: well why don't you improve upon it instead of complaining
[04:34] <warty> but have no clue what the hell i am doing
[04:34] <natex> hey warty i highly recommend linux book.
[04:34] <danko123456> just says why it is great,,
[04:34] <warty> YEAH
[04:34] <g14> danko123456: I was giving a very very basic overview for someone who didn't understand why it is free
[04:34] <nate_> daryl_: congratulations on the first step to a perilous and wonderful journey frought with surprises and danger
[04:34] <danko123456> it is free cause the first person that came up with the idea(FSF) made a license...
[04:34] <daryl_> lol
[04:34] <danko123456> and so on, you know the story,.
[04:34] <daryl_> I'm not that worried.
[04:34] <spartacus> karljp, thanks. i've been able to use eSound output. i read that xine can have sync problems with esd though
[04:35] <nate_> daryl_: that may be your undoing
[04:35] <mebaran151> esd is shitty
[04:35] <nate_> daryl_: ;)
[04:35] <daryl_> lol
[04:35] <spartacus> i'm really looking for a way to make gnome use alsa, i think
[04:35] <mebaran151> arent we all on polyaudio now
[04:35] <nate_> esd suuuuucks
[04:35] <mebaran151> gnome has to use esd
[04:35] <g14> danko123456: Well why don't you quit complaining and say it in an easy to understand manner so the newb can understand it
[04:35] <mebaran151> because esd is like higher level alsa
[04:35] <danko123456> well, no, its cool, and all,..jsut saying that it says more about why it is so good, and at such a high level as it is now, more so then why it is free.
[04:35] <hybrid> thanks guys for ur help... i think i need to do more research on wine itself...
[04:35] <hybrid> bye
[04:35] <daryl_> The only thing that's getting me so far is learning all this new vocab
[04:35] <danko123456> i wrote it...
[04:35] <lexhider> any clues on files being deleted in /var/cache/apt/archives?
[04:35] <spartacus> mebaran151, so there's no way to make them play nice?
[04:35] <shad0w1e> wine works out of the box
[04:35] <shad0w1e> cedega doesnt
[04:35] <danko123456> no hard feelings, g14...
[04:35] <g14> lol
[04:36] <g14> danko123456: Ok, I don't mind critisizm.
[04:36] <thewarlok> shad0wle: that depends on your definition of "works"
[04:36] <shad0w1e> well, yes
[04:36] <g14> If you criticize me, you need to have a solution :P
[04:36] <danko123456> yeah, just pointed out how it went sluightly off target.
[04:36] <danko123456> I told you...
[04:36] <shad0w1e> I mean "sort of" works
[04:36] <karljp> no we don't.
[04:36] <shad0w1e> wheras cedega wont run at all
[04:36] <karljp> this is the internet, we can just criticise :)
[04:36] <nate_> g14: that would be logical, what nonsense ;P
[04:36] <danko123456> just point out the license in your story...that prohibited the people that later did o\work on it to make it private, and closed source...
[04:36] <josh42> nate_; I just want to run the radmin client, and having a heck of a time getting wine in
[04:37] <warty> what do people use for linux for the downloading music
[04:37] <mebaran151> spartacus, gnome on my system is decent
[04:37] <HrdwrBoB> warty: wget
[04:37] <mebaran151> I run a relatively high end box
[04:37] <thewarlok> shad0wle: I've heard of people getting it to work, and with more stuff, too. But, I mean, if you're going to use closed source, why not just dual-boot with Windows?
[04:37] <mebaran151> but it is fine
[04:37] <nate_> spartacus: use this to fix up ESD, do #3: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:37] <josh42> they should put it in just for me.. breezy here I come ;)
[04:37] <g14> ok well the linux creator released linux under a license created by Richard Stallman of the Free Software Foundation that mandates the open distribution of the source code (software blueprints)
[04:37] <danko123456> HrdwrBoB: wget? really?
[04:37] <natex> thewarlok, cost?
[04:37] <warty> now would i google that
[04:37] <HrdwrBoB> danko123456: I like wget :)
[04:37] <nate_> josh42: whats radmin?
[04:37] <danko123456> doesnt matter...
[04:37] <karljp> warlok: closed source doesn't have to mean windows
[04:37] <g14> This allowed anyone who wanted to add a feature to linux to freely do so provided that they release the code back to the community
[04:38] <thewarlok> natex: ha! the only CDs that are more prolific than windows CDs are those AOL CDs.
[04:38] <karljp> why can't I just use linux as an OS, and run closed source apps?
[04:38] <g14> danko123456: Happy now? :)
[04:38] <josh42> nate_ ; remote windows admin tool.. alot better than anything else I've used
[04:38] <karljp> I'd be happy to pay for them.
[04:38] <danko123456> yeah, but that is only the linux side...
[04:38] <josh42> nate_; www.radmin.com
[04:38] <danko123456> no talk about the GNU/Linux thing.
[04:38] <karljp> I just want my quality apps, on my os of choice
[04:38] <natex> thewarlok, sure if you want to be dishonest.
[04:38] <nate_> josh42: oh, yeah, that, that was you
[04:38] <jordanau> g14, thanks that had been bothering me for a while
[04:38] <karljp> instead of having to use windows just to get the apps I want.
[04:38] <g14> jordanau: No prob
[04:38] <spartacus> nate_, cheers. i didn't spot that before
[04:38] <thewarlok> natex: well, shit, there's dishonesty on their side, why not mine?
[04:38] <lgonze> if I resize a primary ntfs partition using the partitioner in the ubuntu installer, will I destroy the stuff on that partition?
[04:38] <nate_> spartacus: no problem :)
[04:39] <danko123456> HrdwrBoB: so, just like type in the URL, and that gets wget to download, or is it a myuch more robust program?
[04:39] <natex> thewarlok, age old question of two wrongs!=right i guess
[04:39] <lgonze> I need to set up a dual boot system and have to make space for it.
[04:39] <nate_> spartacus: I had same problem, but i switched to kde and now i have no problems
[04:39] <nate_> spartacus: and its prettier
[04:39] <thewarlok> 3 lefts == right. :D
[04:39] <karljp> lgonze: I would be extremely dubiosu trying to resize an ntfs partition with anything in linux
[04:39] <spartacus> nate_, heh. hmm... faster too, probably ;)
[04:39] <karljp> ymmv
[04:39] <g14> The FSF and richard stallman wrote gcc and the gnu utils. This consists of a compiler and several of the basic utilities that linux could not be without
[04:39] <HrdwrBoB> danko123456: wget is a simply http downloader
[04:39] <nate_> spartacus: meh, its about the same, but I like it
[04:39] <HrdwrBoB> *simple
[04:39] <Drako60> why is it i can't apt-get mplayer?
[04:39] <lgonze> karljp: your instinct is that this is very dangerous, yes?
[04:39] <HrdwrBoB> for the console
[04:40] <thewarlok> but as a side note, unless you try really hard not to, any computer you buy (that isn't a mac) will have Windows on it already.
[04:40] <HrdwrBoB> it's not what you want; I was partially serious
[04:40] <g14> Calling Linux GNU/Linux is like calling my program created in Visual Studio, Visual Studio Myprogramname
[04:40] <danko123456> right, so how doers that apply to music downloading?
[04:40] <nate_> Drako60: you have to add the appropriate repositories
[04:40] <warty> i think i need a life
[04:40] <spartacus> Drako60, do you have the right repositories enabled?
[04:40] <Drako60> which one is it in?
[04:40] <g14> I am NOT trying to start a flamewar, but I think the whole GNU/Linux thing is nonsense
[04:40] <danko123456> ok, g14, FSF would disagree......
[04:40] <Drako60> i have universe enabled
[04:40] <g14> And that RMS is a babbling lunatic
[04:40] <warty> Now what wget do i want
[04:40] <lgonze> g14: I don't think it's nonsense.  I think it's important.
[04:40] <danko123456> and that is what matters, not your opinion on the topic.
[04:40] <nate_> Drako60: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[04:40] <danko123456> I think he just does not know about it...
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[04:41] <g14> danko123456: How does that matter?  I mean, who cares, really.   Screen goes black during install.  Please /msg !
[04:43] <danko123456> anyhow...I can see why GNU would want that added to the distributions.
[04:43] <natex> haha regeya
[04:43] <thewarlok> we need to find out who gives a flying fuck.
[04:43] <spartacus> i8ramin, add the killer to the toolbar :)
[04:43] <thewarlok> and why
[04:43] <jamie_> well where do you find this info, i hate buggin people all the time but i cant find it for myself
[04:43] <g14> though shalt not charge for software ever and shall make all computer science majors starve
[04:43] <warty> warty
[04:43] <mebaran151> i8ramin, skill [name of program]
[04:43] <g14> forever and ever and ever amen
[04:43] <mebaran151> or xkill and click what is dead
[04:43] <mebaran151> anyone having this problem
[04:43] <jamie_> Dizzy type linux vga=771
[04:43] <i8ramin> ok, thnx
[04:44] <mebaran151> xmms no longer starts
[04:44] <anto9us> I'm a communist
[04:44] <mebaran151> silent errors
[04:44] <nate_> whats the command to pm in irssi?
[04:44] <jordanau> mebaran151, is killall bad? thats what i use
[04:44] <mebaran151> it looks lik eit is running
[04:44] <sproingie> oh boy another rms flame blah blah rms blah blah HITLER there
[04:44] <sproingie> thread over
[04:44] <i8ramin> nice, that worked..
[04:44] <mebaran151> jordanau, I think killall is just as good if not better
[04:44] <mebaran151> I like skill
[04:44] <mebaran151> I dont know why
[04:44] <Dizzy> jamie_: It boots from CD on bootup.  Don't know how to do that.
[04:44] <mebaran151> the name is so much punnier
[04:44] <g14> jordanau: Killall is just a script that parses running processes and calls kill
[04:44] <jordanau> sproingie, congrats on Godwins
[04:44] <mebaran151> I think skill does that in C
[04:45] <sproingie> jordanau: actually i think there's a corollary that says if someone invokes it deliberately, it doesnt count
[04:45] <nate_> jamie_: add these to your sources.list
[04:45] <wliu> can someone help me debug my ndiswrapper install?  i got it to find my wireless card, but it can't find my access point.   wlan0 scan comes up with nothing.
[04:45] <nate_> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[04:45] <nate_> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-extras main
[04:45] <sproingie> g14: except on solaris, where killall actually kills every process
[04:45] <nate_> universe multiverse restricted
[04:45] <jamie_> Dizzy:  when it boots up it gives you a blank line and says something like type enter to start, don't do that type "linux vga=771"   had the same issue earlier today when i reinstalled
[04:45] <regeya_> thank you for ending the thread sproingie
[04:45] <spartacus> oh.. can anyone suggest a sensible ppp up/down applet? the std one tries to control a modem, but i'm using adsl so just want the ppp stuff started and stopped
[04:45] <g14> sproingie: :) but this isn't a solaris channel now is it?
[04:45] <Dizzy> jamie: Great, I'll give that a try
[04:45] <Dizzy> Wish me luck
[04:45] <Merlin615> wliu, does you access point broadcast it's ssid?
[04:45] <g14> spartacus: gnome-ppp
[04:46] <sproingie> g14: people have gotten bit by it before
[04:46] <nate_> seems like very few people know about tab-completion in ubuntu
[04:46] <jordanau> sproingie, it actually doesnt say the thread will end, it says that the longer and longer is goes, the probability of a hitler comment gets cleser and closer to 1
[04:46] <wliu> Merlin615: yeah, and I turned off WEP and made it open
[04:46] <g14> tab completion is a bash feature
[04:46] <g14> and xchat also
[04:46] <nate_> yeah, and most irc
[04:46] <g14> yep
[04:46] <jordanau> g14, and a wonderful one at that
[04:46] <sproingie> jordanau: at which point everyone loses.  i guess it never says anything about it *ending*
[04:46] <nate_> so they type jamie instead of jamie_
[04:46] <sproingie> jordanau: it just says that it should
[04:46] <nate_> jamie_: Thos last two lines i sent to you were on one line
[04:46] <jamie_> i don't even know what tab-completition is, i made the mistake of buying linux for dummies, it's good for computer dummies but i know computers and was looking for something a little more indepth than a chapter on "how to use a mouse"
[04:47] <warty> i am out
[04:47] <jamie_> ok
[04:47] <nate_> jamie_: google for learning bash
[04:47] <jordanau> bye warty
[04:47] <warty> i need a life too
[04:47] <darmou> I can't install zope2.7 because of all the compile errors on setup, is there any way around this problem?
[04:47] <g14> jamie_, Open up a shell and type /h then hit tab
[04:47] <hybrid_goth> jamie_ : use bittorrent and d/l linux all in one refernce
[04:47] <danko123456> I wish my text editor would remember all declared variables, classes and such when I am coding, and then I could do tab completion too,
[04:47] <warty> i am still looking for a music downloading program
[04:47] <nate_> danko123456: get coding! :)
[04:47] <g14> jamie_, It should autocomplete /home
[04:47] <darmou> my computer can't install anything else because my apt is toast because of zope2.7
[04:48] <spartacus> g14, that seems simple enough.. but it's a wvdial front-end. i don't need to dial anything...
[04:48] <hybrid_goth> danko123456: amen
[04:48] <jordanau> warty, amule or azureus
[04:48] <wliu> Merlin615: any other clues?
[04:48] <darmou> I'ts actually working but can't seem to install properly and there is no update
[04:48] <warty> what do u use
[04:48] <danko123456> gtk-gnutella
[04:48] <danko123456> if you ahve hoary, if not upgrade,
[04:48] <Nalioth> warty wget or curl
[04:48] <nate_> jamie_: /help
[04:48] <g14> spartacus: ah, sorry. I am tying in several channels at once
[04:48] <nate_> err
[04:48] <warty> grrrrrrrrrrr
[04:48] <danko123456> grr what?
[04:49] <warty> now i have 4 to
[04:49] <jamie_> what is the control c code for linux?
[04:49] <jordanau> warty, i use azureus for album and tv shows and amule for individual songs or if i cant find a torrent
[04:49] <warty> pick from
[04:49] <danko123456> amule or azureus, limewire, gtk-gnutella, gift...
[04:49] <danko123456> right, I suggest strongly gtk-gnutella
[04:49] <danko123456> amule seems to crah all the time
[04:49] <g14> gtk-gnutella is what I use
[04:49] <Nalioth> warty i use wget, curl, azureus, CLI bittorrent
[04:49] <Merlin615> hmmmm, not sure
[04:49] <danko123456> azureus is a bit torrent, thats it, as far as I know.
[04:49] <jamie_> is gtk-gnutella better than limewire?  i've just used limewire for so long haven't tried anything else in a while
[04:49] <mello> limewire is probably the best
[04:49] <danko123456> linmewire does not have a search more feature
[04:50] <g14> Limewire is java
[04:50] <jordanau> danko123456, azureus is my fav torrent client by far, i suggest you try it
[04:50] <danko123456> and gtk-gnutella just seems to work...
[04:50] <danko123456> yeah, but its just torrents...
[04:50] <g14> and I have had it freeze when downloading multiple albums at a time
[04:50] <natex> usenet
[04:50] <jamie_> god knows i've had nothing but hell with java since i moved to linux
[04:50] <danko123456> and that means an extra step in downloading.
[04:50] <Drako60> you know its sad when you don't sleep right because your computer isn't working right
[04:50] <wliu> anyone else with any ideas why my access point wont show up on my wireless?
[04:50] <danko123456> that is pretty sad...
[04:50] <nate_> jamie_: any luck with those extra repos?
[04:50] <danko123456> go back to windows...
[04:51] <Merlin615> hmmmm
[04:51] <danko123456> itll give you less headaches...
[04:51] <spartacus> jamie_, what's hard about java on linux?
[04:51] <Drako60> that was the problem danko123456 windows stopped working
[04:51] <danko123456> especially on a x86 arch...
[04:51] <shad0w1e> anyone know how I can get my drives running on DMA mode?
[04:51] <danko123456> hah
[04:51] <danko123456> ok...
[04:51] <spartacus> shad0w1e, hdparm...
[04:51] <danko123456> so, you have linux now?
[04:51] <jordanau> jamie_, yeah usually a .sh is provided, if not just run java program
[04:51] <Drako60> yup
[04:51] <warty> linux is gay i do not get it (Microsoft has made my brain bad)
[04:52] <Drako60> and only one problem i have to work out, and thats keeping the kernel from panicing when i use dma
[04:52] <jordanau> warchild-, stop trolling
[04:52] <jordanau> warty, stop trolling
[04:52] <natex> shad0w1e, man hdparm
[04:52] <spartacus> warty, not that there's anything wrong with that
[04:52] <jordanau> warchild-, i appologize
[04:52] <natex> :)
[04:52] <daryl_> quick question.. How can I get my CD door to open?  I have a Mac wireless keyboard.  If I hit the eject key, it works as the right mouse button.
[04:52] <jamie_> i install linux, i set up the links to the plugin directories, i enable it in the browser, it still does not work, i go to install limewire, says can't install because lack of java
[04:52] <warty> what the hell is trolling
[04:52] <danko123456> haha, like that one episode of seinfeld, opr something
[04:52] <HrdwrBoB> daryl_: right click on the drive, hit eject
[04:52] <spartacus> daryl_, man eject ;)
[04:52] <sproingie> ah i remember, no one ever gets kicked on this channel
[04:53] <neighborlee> jamesh, Desktop: right click CD icon : eject
[04:53] <nate_> jamie_: you need the right repos, the ones i gave you have java i believe
[04:53] <neighborlee> dddddain to many NICKS with same name
[04:53] <neighborlee> grrrrrrrrrrr
[04:53] <danko123456> warty, google trolling
[04:53] <danko123456> internet troll in wikipedia
[04:53] <nate_> jamie_: then it works perfectly, as perfect as it does in linux
[04:53] <daryl_> ah... I've had linux for about 5 min now.. Sorry guys.. Thanks a ton.
[04:53] <Drako60> danko123456, and i like linux, my biggest problem though was trying to install the x86 kernel
[04:53] <danko123456> anyhow, some ppl are quick to use the terms...
[04:53] <jordanau> is there a way to allow the eject button physically on the computer to work?
[04:53] <neighborlee> jamie_, sorry I meant for that message for you not 'jamesh' lol !!
[04:53] <natex> I don't think he was trolling. just being funny (attempt)
[04:53] <neighborlee> anyway
[04:53] <spartacus> jordanau, the one on the drive?
[04:53] <danko123456> I dont know, I had pretty good luck with my installation. and everything so far...
[04:53] <jordanau> spartacus, yeah
[04:54] <danko123456> jordanau: no, it is mounted
[04:54] <Drako60> jordanau, umount /dev/yourdevice then try opening it
[04:54] <jamie_> i've had the ejecting issue with mac, windows and now linux, i think it's just some drives aren't always fully compatible with whatever os you may be using at the time
[04:54] <danko123456> that is not good, so they dont allow it.
[04:54] <spartacus> jordanau, it should just work. if it doesn't, it's cos something is using the disc
[04:54] <warty> GOT U
[04:54] <warty> An Internet troll is either a person who sends messages on the Internet hoping to entice other users into angry or fruitless responses, or a message sent with such content.
[04:54] <MindSpore> how do unmount /media/cdrom (was mounted with -o loop)
[04:54] <natex> see
[04:54] <jordanau> nate_, he has been yelling in caps, saying random stuff, callng stuff gay i dont know what other evidence is necessary
[04:54] <danko123456> right so saying linux is gay on a linux channel qualifies.
[04:55] <nate_> jordanau: thats great ;P
[04:55] <nate_> jordanau: wrong guy
[04:55] <spartacus> MindSpore, same way. sudo umount /media/cdrom should work
[04:55] <warty> i do not get it
[04:55] <warty> night
[04:55] <danko123456> natex: I agree, pretty much...not really trolling...
[04:55] <danko123456> hah
[04:55] <natex> geez
[04:55] <nate_> how do i private-message in irssi?
[04:55] <_joey_> you don't
[04:55] <danko123456>  /msg works?
[04:55] <Drako60> nate_, /msg
[04:56] <jordanau> spartacus, yeah the problem is it is on a laptop for my family and i live 2 hours a way and it needs to "just work" for them
[04:56] <nate_> Drako60: thanks
[04:56] <Drako60> use ctrl+p to switch windows
[04:56] <jordanau> spartacus, i dont mind the eject thing for my own computer
[04:56] <g14> jordanau: Do they have internet access like you do?
[04:56] <jordanau> nate_, /msg?
[04:56] <MindSpore> spartacus: hmm worked this time.. weird
[04:56] <g14> jordanau: You could set them up with a secured ssh server that you could access to remotely fix it
[04:56] <spartacus> jordanau, hmmm. bugger. maybe 'eject' icon-menu should call unmount first? (if it doesn't already)
[04:57] <nate_> jordanau: well, that is sorta right, I meant like on xchat where you open a private chat with that person
[04:57] <natex> hi richard stallman
[04:57] <natex> oh nm
[04:57] <danko123456> Mb?
[04:57] <SNIa> I'm curious if anyone here has an nforce4 board that could possibly help me
[04:57] <jordanau> g14, they dont have the computer yet, i am in the process of making it "mom friendly"
[04:57] <IcemanV9> danko123456: as in RAM
[04:57] <g14> jordanau: ok
[04:57] <danko123456> I know, I guess I am just trolling.
[04:58] <danko123456> Cause you said Mb...not MB...
[04:58] <jordanau> nate_, i would just make a chatroom and tell him to join
[04:58] <nate_> jordanau: yeah, but forcing them to join is so much cooler
[04:58] <jordanau> g14, i have considered making a howto on how to make a mom friendly ubuntu machine that resembles windows, think it would be useful?
[04:58] <Drako60> nate_, irssi opens a window upon a return /msg from the user, you can use ctrl P to switch to it
[04:59] <nate_> Drako60: oh, cool
[04:59] <jordanau> g14, from visually looking the same, to idiot proofing it, to ssh
[04:59] <spartacus> jordanau, mom-friendly... yes, resembles windows... maybe not.
[04:59] <danko123456> do you know a lot of momsm jordanau?
[04:59] <danko123456> hah
[04:59] <g14> jordanau: Using the gnome desktop
[04:59] <jordanau> danko123456, i know yours real well , ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[04:59] <Drako60> nate_, there is another ctrl+letter to go the other way but i can't remember it right now, just have to cycle through with ctrl+p or read the help files
[05:00] <jordanau> g14, yeah, not kde
[05:00] <spartacus> jordanau, make it similar and it introduces confusion when things aren't exactly the same
[05:00] <danko123456> see, that is funny, with your twisted morality, shameful on the real side of things...
[05:00] <spartacus> jordanau, if things are visually different, people can accept changes in the way it works better
[05:00] <danko123456> not that i did not get the joke:)
[05:00] <jordanau> spartacus, good point
[05:00] <nate_> Drako60: yeah, the /help files are limited
[05:00] <blueyed> I have a remote server here, that does not play nice with the default kernel from Ubuntu: * Configuring network interfaces...
[05:00] <blueyed> NET: Registered protocol family 17
[05:00] <blueyed> Failed to bring up eth0.
[05:00] <blueyed> what to do?
[05:00] <riffic> hi is anyone familiar with howl/zeroconf/mdns ?
[05:00] <pdk001> hi
[05:01] <riffic> for some reason getent hosts is showing two addresses for one of my hosts
[05:01] <pdk001> is here ubuntu chatting room?
[05:01] <pdk001> right?
[05:01] <riffic> one is a 169.x address
[05:01] <jordanau> spartacus, luckily my mom cant turn on the computer anyway and my sister can adjust :)
[05:01] <riffic> and the other is the correct address
[05:01] <SNIa> I've got an Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe using ubuntu amd64 ver. For some reason I do not see my Parallel ATA Drives, any ideas? I'm guessing I'm missing a module
[05:01] <jordanau> pdk001, hi
[05:01] <spartacus> jordanau, heh. just make it auto-login, and put some obvious icons up for common stuff
[05:01] <pdk001> hi
[05:01] <jordanau> pdk001, yes it is
[05:02] <Nalioth> pdk001, you are in the right place
[05:02] <pdk001> thanks for answering
[05:02] <danko123456> paste the resuklts in the pastebin, if you want, or #flodd, riffic, I wanna see what it looks like..
[05:02] <jordanau> spartacus, yeah i did, and consolidated the two panels in to one and put it on the bottom
[05:02] <jordanau> spartacus, also got rid of workspaces
[05:02] <danko123456> dont think  Ill know hwo to fix it or anything...hjust wanna see what it looks like.
[05:02] <riffic> danko123456: okay
[05:02] <spartacus> jordanau, nice. getting online should be "power button" -> "click firefox" -> done
[05:02] <jordanau> spartacus, the thought of 50 programs running in workspace 2 and nobody knowing it just scared me
[05:03] <spartacus> jordanau, yep. it's useful for some folks, but confusing for most
[05:03] <jamie_> ok so after much time trying to add the repositories because i didn't realize you had to close synaptic to update it so i had actually added several times over again, i'm starting to realize those links were actually lists of other repositories?  cause because of those two i put in there it is now downloading like 49 more lists
[05:03] <nate_> jordanau: sure it isn't just jedit?
[05:03] <riffic> danko123456: http://pastebin.com/279815
[05:03] <nate_> jamie_: yeah, its more lists
[05:04] <blueyed> How can I get the name of the network card(s)?
[05:04] <jordanau> nate_, jedit?
[05:04] <jamie_> limewire still doesn't show up but vlc does, i guess i could command line install it but i hate to lol
[05:04] <blueyed> ^^ name/model
[05:04] <danko123456> riffic: can you access waveland now?
[05:04] <nate_> jordanau: wrong chatroom
[05:04] <spartacus> blueyed, lspci might tell you
[05:04] <osity> I read that hoary  supports raid1  right from the install.....Does that mean that all I have to do is install the raid option with 2 drives in it and they raid?
[05:04] <riffic> just through ip
[05:04] <jordanau> nate_, gotcha
[05:04] <riffic> if I try to ping waveland.local it uses the 169.x address as default
[05:04] <riffic> and that is the invalid ip
[05:04] <nate_> osity: hardware or software raid?
[05:04] <osity> software
[05:05] <riffic> however, waveland sees ashland perfectly fine
[05:05] <spartacus> osity, pretty much. not sure how it handles booting on raid tho?
[05:05] <nate_> jamie_: it makes lots more software at your disposal
[05:05] <osity> hardware too expensive!
[05:05] <danko123456> do a ifconfig on the waveland...
[05:05] <danko123456> is it a linux?
[05:05] <riffic> yep
[05:05] <spartacus> osity, 3ware is very good value for that
[05:05] <jordanau> spartacus, yeah i cant live without them personally
[05:05] <osity> how much for a card?
[05:05] <danko123456> k, do an ifconfig, and paste again...
[05:05] <riffic> ubuntu hoary, same os on both hosts
[05:05] <jamie_> yea thanks, that's one thing i really like about linux, if the software is readily available and condired safe for your system, there is no searching the net for it, just go to the package manager and it finds it for you
[05:05] <g14> 3com is the best as far as linux raid goes
[05:06] <jordanau> spartacus, i was wondering if there is a way to visually hide all folders except /home/username
[05:06] <jamie_> unfortunately up to this point i've not had great luck finding the software i want so i've been thrown headfirst into the command line, but on the bright side i've learned a few things
[05:06] <g14> jordanau: Inside the parent folder, create a text file named .hidden
[05:06] <jordanau> spartacus, does taking away read rights do that?
[05:06] <riffic> weird, ifconfig is showing up as 169 on the eth0 on waveland
[05:06] <jordanau> g14, will it be hidden from root?
[05:06] <spartacus> osity, they start at 127 usd on newegg.com
[05:06] <osity> hardware raid ends up costing over 400 US for a card
[05:06] <g14> jordanau: On each line, type the name of the folder or name you want to hide 1 for line
[05:06] <g14> jordanau: No
[05:07] <justin> you mean 169.254/16, not 169/8 !
[05:07] <danko123456> riffic: pasted it somewhere?
[05:07] <blueyed> spartacus, thanks. It says Intel 82558/8/9.. any hint why it cannot bring it up on boot?
[05:07] <riffic> danko123456: http://pastebin.com/279818
[05:07] <riffic> sorry
[05:07] <spartacus> jordanau, possibly dragging a home folder link to the desktop would be enough
[05:07] <osity> spartacus: at 127 you may get a card but I doubt its hardware raid...
[05:08] <jordanau> spartacus, yeah i already have, i just want to keep it from looking confusing,
[05:08] <danko123456> which one do you want it to be? <IP_ADDRESS>?
[05:08] <veritas> Hey, I just put in a new wireless PCMCIA card and I'm trying to install drivers to use it over my internal one on my laptop
[05:08] <veritas> How would I go about doing this?
[05:08] <jordanau> spartacus, Oh i can add a startup splash image too!
[05:08] <riffic> no its supposed to be 192.168.1.x
[05:08] <jamie_> one thing i'm not crazy about is the fact that ubuntu does not support the cheap onboard video on my system, i have to have it stuck at 1280x??? or my monitor starts screaming cause ubuntu forces too high of a refresh rate on it, but i've done lots of research on this and found that there really is no answer to it, everyone thinks they know but threads never seem resolved so . . .
[05:08] <riffic> its dhcp though
[05:08] <riffic> that's why i'm using mdns
[05:09] <jordanau> veritas, does the card have linux drivers available?
[05:09] <riffic> because my router gives it new addresses randomly
[05:09] <danko123456> riffic: hows your /etc/network/interfaces look
[05:09] <veritas> Yes, I'm absolutely sure
[05:09] <g14> jordanau: The splash image is going to be integrated with Breezy Badger, the next ubuntu release
[05:09] <spartacus> osity, 247 gets a better one, but the 127 usd card is simple hardware raid too.
[05:09] <jordanau> veritas, if it doesnt,you will need ndiswrapper
[05:09] <riffic> dhcp, auto
[05:09] <veritas> jordanau, yes it does
[05:09] <jamie_> how long is it going to be until the next release?  cause they're supposed to be working on the video issues with that release too
[05:09] <spartacus> osity, it's not promise style raid
[05:10] <jordanau> g14, yeah i heard they are going with a simple image splash instead of using slplashy
[05:10] <g14> Ubuntu is released every 6 months predictably
[05:10] <riffic> i have no idea why i'm seeing 169 in ifconfig
[05:10] <jordanau> veritas, oh, i only know how to use ndiswrapped i cant help
[05:10] <osity> spartacus: what do you mean promise style?
[05:10] <veritas> jordanau, I just don't know how to update the drivers
[05:10] <spartacus> blueyed, dunno mate. maybe modules aren't loading?
[05:10] <danko123456> sounds right////
[05:10] <danko123456> dude, both are 169?!
[05:10] <riffic> i can guarantee my router isn't spitting out that subnet
[05:10] <spartacus> osity, i mean, dodgy software raid
[05:10] <riffic> no
[05:10] <g14> jordanau, actually, they are using a few new programs to make the best splash utility for linux startup / shutdown ever
[05:10] <veritas> Is there anyway I can apt-get the drivers for my card?
[05:10] <riffic> 192.168 is the valid subnet
[05:10] <jamie_> g14:  i like the way you say predicatably, since there's only been two releases, right lol
[05:10] <danko123456> ah
[05:10] <danko123456> damn
[05:11] <danko123456> I never saw that.
[05:11] <danko123456> let me see now..
[05:11] <g14> jaime_: How long as ubuntu been around?
[05:11] <Seq> does the ubuntu live cd have the linux restricted modules (specifically ati binary drivers) on it?
[05:11] <danko123456> so can you contact that computer through the LAN?
[05:11] <riffic> yeah
[05:11] <g14> jaime_: How about you read a bit on the wiki and learn something about ubuntu
[05:11] <jordanau> g14, that sounds exciting, in the meantime i can just use a jpeg image
[05:11] <riffic> if I use the real ip
[05:11] <jamie_> well i was under the impression that the first release was like in november of last year,
[05:11] <riffic> it works
[05:11] <jamie_> maybe i should lol
[05:11] <danko123456> that is strange, which IP the 169 one?
[05:11] <spartacus> veritas, are u using kernel 2.6? i think pcmcia-cs is built in now?
[05:11] <danko123456> 169  means self assigned.
[05:11] <danko123456> right?
[05:12] <riffic> yeah
[05:12] <masterloki> hi there it seems i have no sound alsamixer shows a VIA 8235 but the one that comes with gnome shows i got the  via and a C-Media CMI9761 (OSS) what can i do?
[05:12] <veritas> I just downloaded this version of Ubuntu last week, so I would assume yes
[05:12] <osity> spartacus: I found one on new egg for 459.00
[05:12] <danko123456> go ifdown, ifup...
[05:12] <spartacus> osity, http://www2.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16816116030
[05:12] <jordanau> veritas, type uname -r in terminal
[05:12] <veritas> spartacus, does that mean drivers for my pcmcia card are already installed?
[05:13] <Burgundavia> spartacus, ubuntu ships by default with 2.6
[05:13] <spartacus> yup, it does now
[05:13] <veritas> 2.6.10-5-686
[05:13] <wliu> can someone help me debug my ndiswrapper install?  i got it to find my wireless card, but it can't find my access point.   the essid is being broadcast and wlan0 scan comes up with nothing.  any ideas?
[05:13] <spartacus> veritas, it should. sorry... what card is it?
[05:13] <veritas> Right now I believe I'm using my intenrnal wireless card
[05:13] <Burgundavia> spartacus, always has
[05:13] <veritas> and I want to use my PCMCIA card
[05:13] <riffic> i'm just going to reboot the thing
[05:13] <osity> spartacus: I need IDE ...that sure looks like a software solution ....there is no CPU...
[05:13] <veritas> Senao NL2511 PLUS EXT2
[05:13] <jamie_> why is his 686 and mine is 386?  i thought the 386 platform was no longer used
[05:13] <spartacus> Burgundavia, ok. i'm new to it and saw 2.4 in the package list..
[05:13] <danko123456> do you specify the range of IPs that are allowed, riffic?
[05:14] <danko123456> in your interfaces?
[05:14] <riffic> no, I didn't think dhcp needed that
[05:14] <danko123456> i dont think so either..
[05:14] <danko123456> depends..
[05:14] <riffic> it should just broadcast for an ip and get one from the router
[05:14] <Burgundavia> spartacus, you can use a 2.4 kernel, but all version of Ubuntu have shipped by default with a 2.6 one
[05:14] <veritas> don't i need to install some kind of drivers in Linux for my PCMCIA card to work?
[05:14] <danko123456> anyhow, yeah, unless anyone else has any advice, reboot, it may fix it...but if not, you did not lose anything...
[05:15] <spartacus> osity, http://www2.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16816116019
[05:15] <riffic> yeah its just weird behavior
[05:15] <osity> spartacus: dud that thing is a controller.
[05:16] <osity> dude
[05:16] <masterloki> Ihave no sound alsamixer shows a VIA 8235 but the one that comes with gnome shows i got the  via and a C-Media CMI9761 (OSS) what can i do?
[05:16] <spartacus> osity, yeh? you said you needed ide?
[05:16] <osity> IDE raid
[05:16] <osity> :)
[05:17] <osity> oh ...it says it supports raid..
[05:17] <osity> spartacus: so where is the cPU?
[05:17] <spartacus> osity, so you want software raid? that thing is an ide raid controller. plug the drives into the card, and it looks like a single scsi disk, and the card manages the drives
[05:17] <spartacus> osity, on both of those cards, it's the big 3ware chip in the middle
[05:18] <spartacus> i'm using a 7506 in RAID-1. i'd use the cheaper one if you just want 0 or 1, and can use SATA disks
[05:20] <somma> hello
[05:20] <Licker> oooo... there we go... Got the desktop working.. can anyone help me with setting up a web/mail server?
[05:21] <spartacus> veritas, hotplug should manage the pcmcia driver loading/unloading
[05:21] <somma> sudo apt-get install apache
[05:21] <danko123456> web server....apache in your apt/synaptic
[05:21] <somma> That will deal with your web server
[05:21] <spartacus> if it doesn't, it might be a new/unsupported card?
[05:22] <danko123456> mail server....synaptic search for those in name&description
[05:23] <osity> spartacus: are you using raid on Ubuntu?
[05:23] <spartacus> osity, no, it's on Adamantix... another Debian based distro
[05:24] <danko123456> man they have gnome in my school on solaris machines...lots..
[05:24] <Licker> danko123456: Im a Linux NOob....  :( I only used RH9. Then someone talked me into Getting Ubuntu. I spent all day trying to gt it.. (had CD related probs) So now I got it and well.. need to know where to go from here.
[05:24] <danko123456> gnome desktop anyhow
[05:24] <danko123456> well, where are you gonna go?
[05:24] <danko123456> Install servers, and use your computer...
[05:24] <spartacus> Licker, it's all the same with the lights off... biggest difference is packaging here
[05:25] <danko123456> Its a Unix now...
[05:25] <Licker> yea but ive only setup servers in Win32. never linux. I just know my way around a Linux desktop. thats all.
[05:25] <spartacus> Licker, postfix mail server should already be installed, btw
[05:25] <danko123456> well, you know synaptic?
[05:25] <Licker> nope
[05:25] <danko123456> anything you want, search it in there.
[05:26] <Licker> how do i get there
[05:26] <danko123456> Go System, Administration, Synaptic, type in your password...and go,,,
[05:26] <MindSpore> can anyone tell me why i'm getting a black screen under ubuntu, trying to run Doom3 linux
[05:26] <danko123456> THere is a search button, and seatrch by name and descrtiption...
[05:26] <danko123456> everything is free, and works.
[05:26] <spartacus> mostly works ;)
[05:26] <danko123456> you answered your own question, mindspore...
[05:27] <Licker> eh.. its saying.. it found some probs...
[05:27] <spartacus> well, what problems?
[05:27] <danko123456> hah, no...? your synaptic?
[05:27] <MindSpore> danko: lol
[05:27] <danko123456> lol@mindspore
[05:27] <MindSpore> it ran fine under mandrake
[05:27] <MindSpore> err.. whatever they call it not
[05:27] <danko123456> well, there is your answerlol
[05:27] <spartacus> MindSpore, are you all GL'd up?
[05:28] <Licker> W: Coulnt stat source package list http://usarchive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates/main packages (var/lib/asp/lists)
[05:28] <danko123456> ubuntu is nice:) and mushroommy
[05:28] <MindSpore> spartacus... not sure
[05:28] <Licker> and some other stuff
[05:28] <danko123456> oh ok, thats just your sources..
[05:28] <danko123456> easy to change
[05:28] <spartacus> MindSpore eg, try glxinfo, and running glgears
[05:28] <Licker> just click ok and keep going then?
[05:29] <danko123456> tehre is a file, at /etc/apt/sources.list, and since its out of your home, you have to sudo to edit it,...
[05:29] <spartacus> glxinfo should tell you if you're direct rendering or not. glgears will show if basic GL stuff works or not
[05:29] <danko123456> and change it to have universe and multiverse added
[05:29] <danko123456> ?? repositories
[05:29] <MindSpore> spartacus: OpenGL 1.2... says direct rendering, no
[05:29] <danko123456> hah, no bot.
[05:29] <danko123456> then youll have to turn it on.
[05:29] <MindSpore> display: 0, screen: 0
[05:30] <g14> ?? the real slim shady
[05:30] <danko123456> there is ppl that know how...
[05:30] <spartacus> MindSpore, ok. which video card and things have you got?
[05:30] <danko123456> haha
[05:30] <g14> The bot isn't on
[05:30] <danko123456> right...
[05:30] <SNIa> am I missing something, I'm trying to play an mp3 on Hoary AMD64 ver, and have had no success.
[05:30] <Nalioth> bot had a nervous breakdown
[05:30] <Dethread> when compiling my own kernel, should I use 2.6.10 or 2.6.11 ?
[05:30] <spartacus> SNIa, you're probably missing xmms :)
[05:30] <MindSpore> spartacus: Nvidea geforce fx 5500 8x agp 128mb ram
[05:30] <SNIa> just installed xmms
[05:30] <danko123456> mindspore, you have to install it one or other way...
[05:30] <g14> SNIa: You need to install the gstreamer0.8-plugins package
[05:30] <SNIa> it frezes when I try to play
[05:30] <Nalioth> SNIa, google the ubuntulinux.org for "restricted formats"
[05:31] <g14> SNIa: It will install all of the mp3 codecs for gstreamer
[05:31] <danko123456> ok, change default output plugin in in preferences...
[05:31] <danko123456> to esd.
[05:31] <danko123456> esound
[05:31] <spartacus> MindSpore, ok. you'll want the nvidia drivers then...
[05:31] <SNIa> googlin
[05:31] <MindSpore> okay...
[05:31] <danko123456> SNIa: do what I said, and it will work, likely...
[05:32] <danko123456> thanks for reminding me for music...
[05:32] <Burgundavia> SNIa, www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:32] <MindSpore> danko: can i get that with apt-get?
[05:32] <Burgundavia> SNIa, ignore the other adivce
[05:32] <pztak> when i try to change the screen resolution i get "The X server does not support the XRandR extension"
[05:32] <spartacus> MindSpore, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/view?searchterm=nvidia
[05:32] <pztak> anyone know why
[05:32] <pztak> ?
[05:32] <Burgundavia> pztak, you need to edit xorg.manually
[05:33] <pztak> Burgundavia:  i did
[05:33] <Burgundavia> as the ati drivers don't support xrandr
[05:33] <pztak> Burgundavia: it has the different resolutions I want
[05:33] <Burgundavia> which means no changing resolution on the fly
[05:33] <SNIa> danko123456, doesn't work ;/ will try the ubuntu wiki
[05:33] <Burgundavia> blame ATI for that
[05:33] <pztak> Burgundavia: ok, can i change the file and restart X w/o restarting linux?
[05:33] <Burgundavia> correct
[05:33] <pztak> Burgundavia: how do I do that?
[05:33] <Burgundavia> restart the X server with ctrl-alt-bksp
[05:33] <g14> pztak: Change the file and hit CTRL ALT BACKSPACE
[05:34] <spartacus> log out first :)
[05:34] <MindSpore> spartacus: how come... cat /proc/pci doesn't work?
[05:34] <pztak> thanks guys.. i assume i have to close all of my X programs ???
[05:34] <spartacus> MindSpore, it's a "legacy" file. use lspci
[05:34] <MindSpore> k
[05:34] <g14> pztak: Save anything important, that will close all of your x programs "for you" :)
[05:35] <danko123456> SNIa: esound output plugin didnt work, eh?
[05:35] <pztak> ok
[05:36] <RadHaz> lol
[05:36] <nate_> yoy oy yoyoyoyoyo
[05:38] <josh42> Can anyone tell me how to do an OSX-style panel along the top? (EG: a panel that gets replaced by the file/edit/view menus of the current app) - I know gnome used to do it..
[05:38] <Burgundavia> josh42, never did that i know of
[05:38] <bob2> you can't
[05:38] <bob2> kde has an option for that, for kde applications
[05:38] <Burgundavia> every six months of so the discussion hits the gnome mailing list
[05:39] <Burgundavia> *lists
[05:39] <regeya_> gentoo is for ricers
[05:39] <bob2> regeya_: #silly-trolls
[05:39] <regeya_> I'm actually a big gentoo supporter; I used to use it all the time.  And I'm not a silly tweak-head
[05:40] <Dethread> that's what they all say :)
[05:40] <josh42> Burgundavia; Really? I thought I remembered it
[05:40] <Burgundavia> saw a group using gentoo for statistical analysis at LFNW
[05:40] <Burgundavia> they liked the compile time options
[05:40] <josh42> bob2; Kde has that type of panel?
[05:41] <MindSpore> how do i restart xserver?
[05:41] <Burgundavia> ctrl-alt-bksp
[05:41] <bob2> MindSpore: are you installing the nvidia drivers?
[05:41] <pztak> so i did that but the screen turned black
[05:41] <MindSpore> bob2, already did
[05:41] <bob2> then you need to reboot
[05:41] <pztak> i had to replace the file with the backup one and restart x to the original resolution
[05:41] <thechitowncubs> is there any way to do a reboot without actually "rebooting"
[05:41] <bob2> josh42: kde's toolkit supports it, yes
[05:41] <MindSpore> bob2,  k
[05:41] <bob2> thechitowncubs: not really
[05:41] <Brunellus> ugh.
[05:41] <thechitowncubs> ctrl alt backspace only actually reboots xorg right?
[05:41] <pztak> any ideas?
[05:41] <Burgundavia> correct
[05:41] <bob2> thechitowncubs: it restarts X, yes
[05:41] <thechitowncubs> k
[05:42] <josh42> bob2; Ahh, ok, that's why I remember it that.. ahwell
[05:42] <Brunellus> Gaim runs fine in gnome, but segfaults in fluxbox
[05:42] <Brunellus> why?
[05:42] <josh42> tx
[05:42] <bob2> Brunellus: a bug in it, probably
[05:42] <pztak> Burgundavia: it wont let me use 800x600, screen turns black... and nothing come sup
[05:42] <bob2> but I've not heard of it
[05:42] <drcodedd2> hi all
[05:42] <thechitowncubs> dvd::rip works very nicely, i wish it was GTK2
[05:42] <crimsun> Brunellus: please obtain a backtrace
[05:42] <drcodedd2> mybe some one can help me with openvpn?
[05:43] <bob2> I'd go with tinc instead of openvpn
[05:43] <bob2> if at all possible
[05:43] <drcodedd2> I Need help more with iptables
[05:43] <Brunellus> haven't the foggiest about how to get a backtrace
[05:43] <drcodedd2> bcz the vpn work
[05:43] <Brunellus> but it confounds me as to why it won't work *now*
[05:43] <bob2> please don't use abbreviations like "bcz"
[05:43] <drcodedd2> i want to let my vpn client go to intnernet
[05:43] <Brunellus> where I'd been happily using gaim and flux for months
[05:44] <drcodedd2> I think I need to setup somthing in iptables or route
[05:44] <bob2> drcodedd2: you need to explain your setup in a lot more detail
[05:44] <Brunellus> I should have never upgraded to hoary!
[05:45] <crimsun> Brunellus: run it from within gdb, and when it crashes, type bt
[05:45] <thechitowncubs> how hard is it to convert a GTK1 app to GTK2?
[05:45] <bob2> drcodedd2: no, you don't /msg me
[05:45] <crimsun> Brunellus: of course unstripped binaries and libs are more useful, but that's another matter
[05:45] <bob2> drcodedd2: you explain your problem in here
[05:45] <drcodedd2> k
[05:45] <drcodedd2> k
[05:45] <drcodedd2> I Have openvpn v1.6
[05:45] <Brunellus> yeah, well.
[05:45] <bob2> drcodedd2: or, better still, you write an email to the mailing list explaining your whole setup, and everything you've done to the system
[05:45] <g14> thechitowncubs: Not too hard provided you are a decent coder
[05:45] <drcodedd2> my vpn server have 3 nic
[05:45] <drcodedd2> 1. internet 2.local lan 3.tun
[05:46] <bob2> thechitowncubs: not too much in general, it depends on how complicated the app is (e.g. if it has custom widgets, that's a pain in the ass to port)
[05:46] <mindspore> well, i installed the nvidia drivers, and i get the splash screen.. but, doom3 still comes up with the black screen
[05:46] <drcodedd2> I use shorewall as fw
[05:46] <g14> yeah I agree with the custom widgets part
[05:46] <crimsun> mindspore: have you read the doom3 faq on http://zerowing.idsoftware.com ?
[05:46] <thechitowncubs> Ahh, i wonder why DVD::Rip isn't GTK2 then... im not going to recode it but it just seems odd that it isn't
[05:46] <drcodedd2> my vpn client can connect my server and I Can do tracepath from vpn client till vpn server but not outside the internet, my local client can go into the internet
[05:47] <masterloki> hi there I got via 8235 with chip C-Media Electronics CMI9761, Alsa mixer shows card via 8235 chip CMI9761 and GStreamer shows 2 devices CMI9761 and via, any ideas
[05:47] <crimsun> masterloki: no sound or something?
[05:47] <nekrataal> hey
[05:47] <bob2> drcodedd2: so, your problem is other clients can't  connect to your vpn server from the inetner?
[05:47] <bob2> er, internet
[05:47] <masterloki> no sound
[05:47] <drcodedd2> no
[05:47] <crimsun> masterloki: please paste the output of amixer onto http://pastebin.com
[05:47] <nekrataal> is there any compiler for fortran90 in ubuntu??
[05:47] <bob2> nekrataal: gcc 4.0 has fortran 90 support
[05:47] <drcodedd2> the vpn client cant get into the internet from or by vpn server
[05:47] <masterloki> ok
[05:47] <mindspore> crimsun: checking there now
[05:47] <drcodedd2> I want to let vpn client to have internet by vpn server
[05:47] <g14> nekrataal: Ubuntu doesn't install compilers by default, search for gcc in synaptic
[05:48] <bob2> nekrataal: up to fortran 95, in fact
[05:48] <Burgundavia> nekrataal, you need build-essential
[05:48] <bob2> nekrataal: it's in the gfortran-4.0 package
[05:48] <Brunellus> OK, somethin to do with bonobo
[05:48] <drcodedd2> I am not so good with iptables or route
[05:48] <bob2> Burgundavia: no, that doesn't install a fortran compiler
[05:48] <Burgundavia> bob2, ok
[05:48] <beh> can someone help me play midi files, when i try playmidi it says open /dev/sequencer: No such file or directory,
[05:48] <nekrataal> ok
[05:48] <bob2> drcodedd2: do you know how tcp ports work?
[05:48] <nekrataal> thanks
[05:48] <crimsun> beh: sudo modprobe snd-seq && sudo modprobe snd-seq-oss
[05:48] <Amaranth> beh: ooh, i figured this out earlier. let me find which tool i used
[05:49] <drcodedd2> my vpn client have default gw of the vpn server
[05:49] <drcodedd2> I need to do some rule in iptable?
[05:49] <crimsun> beh: you may need timidity as well if you don't have the actual hardware
[05:49] <beh> what hardware do i need
[05:49] <Amaranth> yeah, i used timidity
[05:49] <bob2> drcodedd2: do you know how tcp ports work?
[05:50] <beh> i have an onboard sound card
[05:50] <PabloEscobar> how in the world do you add stuff to the applications menu?
[05:50] <_phate_> Anyone know how to put the icons back on the desktop in Kubuntu?
[05:50] <blueyed> What was the file where modules are listed that should automatically be loaded?
[05:50] <Amaranth> beh: Use timidity
[05:50] <beh> k
[05:50] <mindspore> crimsun: didn't seem to help
[05:50] <bob2> blueyed: /etc/modules
[05:51] <bob2> _phate_: #kubuntu might be a better place to ask
[05:51] <_phate_> bob2: I asked there. But Its dead.
[05:51] <veritas> Sweet. So I tried to enable my PCMCIA network card and it ended up disconencting my internal card
[05:51] <veritas> Now I can't connect to the internet in Ubuntu
[05:51] <danko123456> is Eclipse in any repository maybe?
[05:51] <veritas> How do I reconnect, I can't find any option to do so
[05:51] <crimsun> masterloki: paste the contents of /proc/asound/cards there, too
[05:52] <beh> Amaranth: ok now it says can't read config file check /etc/timidity/timidity.cfg, but that file exists
[05:52] <bob2> danko123456: try searching the wiki
[05:52] <bob2> it doesn't appear to be in any ubuntu repository yet
[05:52] <Amaranth> beh: no, i think it gives two errors
[05:52] <Brunellus> weird
[05:52] <beh> ohh you are right i missed it
[05:52] <beh> freepats.cfg
[05:52] <beh> ok nvm
[05:52] <Brunellus> I ran gaim in gdb while in fluxbox
[05:52] <pztak> i can't get it to work on any other resolution other than 1400x1050
[05:52] <Brunellus> and it runs *fine*
[05:52] <Amaranth> get the freepats package
[05:53] <Brunellus> weirdness!
[05:53] <danko123456> thanks.
[05:53] <drcodedd2> any help bob2?
[05:53] <veritas> How do you reenable a connection in Ubuntu
[05:53] <veritas> My network card is active but I'm listed as disconnected
[05:53] <bob2> drcodedd2: you haven't actually answered my question yet
[05:53] <drcodedd2> I know the port
[05:53] <mindspore> well, i installed the nvidia drivers, and i get the splash screen.. but, doom3 still comes up with the black screen
[05:53] <drcodedd2> I open in fw all port
[05:54] <bob2> drcodedd2: ok, so you don't
[05:54] <drcodedd2> so I dont think my fw is block
[05:54] <bob2> please just say that in future
[05:54] <drcodedd2> no
[05:54] <bob2> drcodedd2: what port do you have openvpn running on?
[05:54] <crimsun> _phate_: try asking again
[05:54] <crimsun> _phate_: (in #kubuntu)
[05:54] <masterloki> done
[05:54] <_phate_> crimsun: I just did no one seems to want to/will respond
[05:55] <crimsun> _phate_: sorry, I was busy reading masterloki's pastebin pastes
[05:55] <veritas> crimsun: How do I reenble my connection in Ubuntu?
[05:55] <masterloki> now what
[05:55] <segphault> I'm having some small probs with my sound blaster card. I'm not hearing anything from the speakers plugged into line-out. Any suggestions?
[05:55] <drcodedd2> 119
[05:55] <drcodedd2> 110
[05:55] <drcodedd2> my vpn can connec to vpn server
[05:55] <crimsun> masterloki: mute the Capture elements
[05:55] <drcodedd2> it work
[05:55] <masterloki> Ok
[05:55] <crimsun> segphault: which card?
[05:55] <recons> me download now
[05:56] <recons> hopefully happy will be result
[05:56] <drcodedd2> vpn server is <IP_ADDRESS> and vpn client is <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:56] <masterloki> Line and line In=?
[05:56] <crimsun> masterloki: Capture
[05:56] <segphault> crimsun, relatively old sound blaster live
[05:56] <drcodedd2> I Can ping from client to <IP_ADDRESS> and also the dfualt gw of client is <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:56] <crimsun> segphault: I need an id either from /proc/asound/cards or from lspci -v
[05:56] <bob2> drcodedd2: no, you need to find out what port
[05:57] <bob2> drcodedd2: 110 udp or tcp?
[05:57] <drcodedd2> vpn port is 110
[05:57] <drcodedd2> both
[05:57] <bob2> drcodedd2: also, why are you running it on the traditional POP3 port?
[05:57] <drcodedd2> bcz fw block
[05:57] <drcodedd2> I can use on;y this port
[05:57] <veritas> Can someone please help me reenble my connection
[05:57] <segphault> crimsun, "Creative Labs CT4780 SBLive!" using EMU10k1
[05:57] <drcodedd2> I think I need to setup somthing in vpn server
[05:58] <crimsun> segphault: please paste the output of amixer onto http://pastebin.com
[05:58] <masterloki> done
[05:58] <masterloki> still no sound but I re-posted it
[05:58] <crimsun> masterloki: I presume you're using line-out and not the optical/spdif?
[05:58] <masterloki> ?
[05:58] <liable> bob2: even that is debatable, they were first.
[05:58] <crimsun> masterloki: analog connection to speakers?
[05:58] <masterloki> I didn't get it
[05:59] <segphault> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/279829
[05:59] <liable> woops
[05:59] <masterloki> If U mean plug'em like a headspeaker to a MP3 player they in this way
[05:59] <veritas> How do I get my network conenction in ubuntu out of "disconnected"
[06:00] <crimsun> segphault: please unmute the 'SB Live Analog/Digital Output Jack' element
[06:01] <mindspore> Can anyone help me figure out why Doom 3 gives me a black screen under ubuntu..... i have nvidea drivers installed, have Open GL, it's in 24bit...
[06:01] <veritas> ssdasdas
[06:02] <crimsun> masterloki: with Hoary?
[06:02] <masterloki> Yes
[06:02] <segphault> crimsun: where?
[06:02] <crimsun> segphault: using alsamixer or amixer
[06:02] <masterloki> just updated like my Motherboard
[06:02] <crimsun> masterloki: default Hoary kernel?
[06:02] <masterloki> yes
[06:03] <crimsun> masterloki: -386 or -$another ?
[06:03] <crimsun> masterloki: -k7?
[06:03] <veritas> Am I still connected?
[06:03] <veritas> Or is everyone just ignoring me -.-
[06:04] <chromozome> I have a Toshiba Sat Pro 6100 Dual Booting XP/Xandros, I installed ubuntu (hoary) on my desktop and love it, how hard will it be to replace Xandros with Ubuntu and still dual boot?
[06:04] <crimsun> sorry, just kinda busy, veritas. Not ignoring you.
[06:04] <veritas> Hahahaha.
[06:04] <crimsun> veritas, please describe your configuration and the symptoms
[06:04] <crimsun> masterloki: in-channel, please
[06:05] <metalsand> Crimsun: I have two issues
[06:06] <metalsand> 1) My wireless connection: eth0 (Internal Intel card) is active, but displays disconnected
[06:06] <metalsand> So, I can't access the internet with it
[06:06] <metalsand> 2) I have a new PCMCIA card I want to use over that
[06:06] <metalsand> But I don't know how to get drivers for it
[06:06] <metalsand> I'm still getting use to the idea of the repostories
[06:06] <crimsun> metalsand: which Intel wireless chipset?
[06:07] <metalsand> Erm... 2915 A/B/G
[06:07] <metalsand> I've used it before
[06:07] <metalsand> But while trying to get my PCMCIA net card to work it somehow got disconected
[06:07] <metalsand> and now I can't access the internet
[06:08] <metalsand> So, I'm posting from my desktop
[06:09] <segphault> crimsun: ok, I got it unmuted, but it's not letting me increase the volume of that particular meter
[06:09] <crimsun> segphault: that's fine.
[06:09] <crimsun> segphault: please adjust your Master meter. It should work.
[06:09] <danko123456> bob2: thanks, it totally works...
[06:09] <mebaran151> I need some help with mplayer subtitles
[06:10] <danko123456> soooooo easy...like on OSX, no harder...
[06:10] <danko123456> unzip...
[06:10] <danko123456> still, mebaran151?
[06:11] <crimsun> metalsand: does the ipw2200 driver work?
[06:12] <metalsand> Whatever the defult driver installed for it works
[06:12] <mebaran151> yeah
[06:12] <metalsand> Like I said, I've used it before
[06:12] <mebaran151> I have solved alot of it
[06:12] <mebaran151> I found that vobsub's are pictures
[06:12] <segphault> Crane: that didn't solve the problem
[06:12] <mebaran151> and that I need -vobsub to load them
[06:12] <segphault> errr
[06:12] <crimsun> metalsand: have you tried unloading the module then reinserting it?
[06:12] <segphault> s/crane/crimsun
[06:12] <crimsun> segphault: does aplay -Dplughw:0,0 foo.wav work?
[06:12] <crimsun> segphault: i.e., can you hear anything? does it hang?
[06:13] <metalsand> I've restarted, Crimsun... Is that what unloading the module means
[06:13] <metalsand> I'm going to restart again.
[06:13] <segphault> crimsun: the problem is that i'm only getting sound out of the speakers plugged into the main audio out, not out of the speakers plugged into line-out
[06:13] <regeya_> oh thank god there's a gconf key for the ubuntu-spatial mode
[06:14] <crimsun> metalsand: sudo modprobe -r ipw2200 && sudo modprobe ipw2200
[06:15] <crimsun> segphault: ah. You'll want to unmute Surround and adjust Wave Surround then.
[06:15] <sunux>
[06:15] <danko123456> hah
[06:15] <sunux> you?
[06:15] <danko123456> gotta save that...
[06:15] <elcu> cool, xchat rendered those characters.
[06:16] <sunux>
[06:16] <masterloki> crimsun so what do I do now?
[06:16] <crimsun> masterloki: sec, I have to look at your paste.
[06:17] <masterloki> Ok
[06:17] <dazzed> whats the create folder commnad ? i forgetted :)
[06:17] <segphault> crimsun: thanks! I really appreciate it. =} works perfectly
[06:18] <crimsun> masterloki: hmm, mute the Mic, Video, Aux, Capture
[06:18] <crimsun> segphault: np
[06:18] <bretzel> elcu: " cool, xchat rendered those characters." -- I confirm :-)
[06:18] <elcu> dazzed: mkdir
[06:18] <limer> I've installed glunarclock via synaptic . . . but can't seem to run it :P  suggestions?
[06:19] <dazzed> elcu: i fieel so stupid for forgettin :) thanks
[06:19] <elcu> np
[06:20] <z3k3__> :)
[06:20] <elcu> bretzel: heh.  i usually get these weird rectangles
[06:20] <masterloki> donw
[06:20] <masterloki> not working yet
[06:20] <elcu> (aside) i used to work in a pretzel store :-)
[06:21] <nopea> just grabbed Wine from Synaptic... anything I need to do to install a windows app... or just run the installer?
[06:22] <xMaximex> how can I edit gnome menu ? without using menu-editor because it don't see all items in the menu
[06:22] <nate__> ls
[06:22] <PabloEscobar> is there anyway to clean out dependancies that are not needed anymore?
[06:22] <masterloki> nopea: just associate wine with .exe
[06:22] <limer> I've installed glunarclock via synaptic . . . but can't seem to run it :P  suggestions?
[06:23] <masterloki> or run wine "/path/to/installer.exe"
[06:23] <nopea> masterloki, how do installers work in terms of where they install the software too?
[06:23] <crimsun> PabloEscobar: use aptitude
[06:24] <mebaran151> anyone here use GeexBox
[06:24] <masterloki> the programs is installed in ~/.wine/C/Program Files
[06:24] <masterloki> but wine doesn't run all win app's
[06:24] <masterloki> you can try
[06:24] <nopea> masterloki, cool thanks... I cant see anything in the menu for Wine so I am not sure if there are settings to be made to it
[06:25] <masterloki> Ok
[06:25] <masterloki> just poke around for a while
[06:25] <elcu> nopea: no man page for it?
[06:25] <masterloki> man wine?
[06:25] <nopea> elcu, where would I find that?
[06:25] <elcu> try 'info wine'  as well.
[06:26] <elcu> nopea: see masterloki's post
[06:26] <elcu> type that in a terminal
[06:26] <ryman> what program do I need to burn mp3 CD ? so that I can transfer musics from Ubuntu to my winxp box
[06:26] <crimsun> masterloki: 1.0.6, correct? (cat /proc/asound/version)
[06:26] <limer> nm *blushes*
[06:27] <elcu> ryman: gnomebaker for gnome
[06:27] <elcu> i forgot the kde one
[06:27] <masterloki> cat /proc/asound/version retuned
[06:27] <masterloki> Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.6 (Sun Aug 15 07:17:53 2004 UTC).
[06:27] <masterloki> Compiled on Apr  5 2005 for kernel 2.6.10-5-386.
[06:27] <masterloki> So yes
[06:27] <bretzel> Sorry, to bother you all ( again ) with my little, annoying, unimportant question: I still miss a clipboard history in Gnome - any one knows if one app exists for gnome ?
[06:27] <crimsun> masterloki: ok, please install linux-k7 and linux-headers-2.6.10-5-k7
[06:28] <masterloki> with apt?
[06:28] <ryman> elcu+  thanks I will try it out
[06:28] <crimsun> masterloki: or synaptic, sure.
[06:28] <sig> bretzel: yes there is one
[06:28] <bretzel> sig; :-) ...and it is ?
[06:29] <sig> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[06:29] <sig> http://ubuntuguide.org/#clipboard-daemon
[06:30] <bretzel> sig: oh! that clipboard deamon ? how we access the history with that app ? there is no infos...
[06:30] <masterloki> Ok 56 k is working just 3 hours and I'm done
[06:30] <masterloki> just kidding DSL 512 kb/s
[06:31] <Amaranth> 512 kb/s? that must be painful
[06:31] <masterloki> what U got?
[06:32] <masterloki> or is 512 Kb/s
[06:32] <nopea> 512kb/sec is half a mb a sec thats pretty good
[06:32] <nopea> 512kbits maybe ;-)
[06:32] <masterloki> olrigth
[06:32] <bretzel> anyway -- sleep time - I've over past the time limits...... ( my wife is calling -- no yelling at me to go to bed :-) ;-) -- :-(
[06:32] <danko123456> 64KB...
[06:32] <nate__> how can i be sure that my ssh is encrypted and secure?
[06:33] <danko123456> lol@bretzel
[06:33] <stuNNed> crimsun: why when i save something to the desktop it doesn't show up?
[06:34] <danko123456> awesome
[06:34] <crimsun> stuNNed: in gnome?
[06:34] <danko123456> stuNNed: try through a nautilus window, and refresh.
[06:34] <nate__> anyone?
[06:34] <danko123456> that will tell you if it is there at all, I think, or...just ls in a term...
[06:34] <danko123456> ssh is secure, I think, anyhow
[06:35] <masterloki> crimsun: do I have to reboot after the update
[06:35] <nate__> danko123456: well, sorta
[06:35] <crimsun> masterloki: yes, but not yet
[06:35] <crimsun> masterloki: after that completes, please install build-essential and alsa-source
[06:36] <masterloki> Ok
[06:37] <danko123456> thats a big one, build aessential, cant believe I didnt have it..
[06:37] <masterloki> crimsun: how do you send colored msg to a user?
[06:37] <crimsun> masterloki: your client is configured to do that by default if you append ':' or ',' to the nick
[06:37] <masterloki> :O
[06:39] <danko123456> khwarizmi, gotta love that nick...
[06:39] <waseem> hey im trying to install jgrasp on my computer, but i keep on getting this error Could not find directory containing this class.
[06:39] <waseem> Class URL file is: "file:jgrasp.jar!/Grasp.class".
[06:40] <masterloki> done
[06:40] <waseem> any ideas as to what im doing wrong?
[06:40] <stuNNed> danko123456: k thanks, yes crimsun, in gnome
[06:40] <masterloki> cirmsun: do i reboot now?
[06:40] <crimsun> masterloki: no.
[06:40] <crimsun> masterloki: now, sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source, choose "no" for PnP, "yes" for debug
[06:40] <masterloki> crimsun, I already installed build-essentials and Alsa-Source
[06:41] <waseem> does anyone in here use jgrasp and want to help me with the installation?
[06:42] <masterloki> Wich do I choose
[06:42] <masterloki> crimsun: i got via 8235 with C-Media Electronics CMI9761
[06:42] <crimsun> masterloki: via82xx
[06:43] <masterloki> ok
[06:43] <danko123456> waseem: tried http://cit.wta.swin.edu.au/cit/subjects/CITP0014/tools/600_012_JGrasp_Linux.html ?
[06:43] <waseem> danko123456: thanks for the link
[06:43] <danko123456> tried that?
[06:44] <danko123456> let me know if it works, pls.
[06:44] <masterloki> crimsun: done
[06:44] <masterloki> now?
[06:44] <elcu> danko123456: swinburne uni? :)
[06:44] <waseem> ok
[06:44] <danko123456> oh, yeah....
[06:44] <danko123456> thanks
[06:45] <danko123456> elcu: were you down uinder?
[06:45] <crimsun> masterloki: now, cd /usr/src && sudo tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2 && cd modules/alsa-driver && sudo debian/rules binary_modules KVERS=2.6.10-5-k7 KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-k7
[06:45] <elcu> danko123456: monash
[06:45] <danko123456> what language is that?
[06:45] <elcu> ?
[06:45] <danko123456> or are you jus high?
[06:45] <danko123456> :P
[06:45] <crimsun> he's saying monash, au
[06:45] <masterloki> crimsun: man are you a developer?
[06:46] <danko123456> oh, ok...
[06:46] <crimsun> masterloki: not for Ubuntu, no
[06:46] <danko123456> a prof
[06:46] <danko123456> :P
[06:46] <elcu> danko123456: thought you were an aussie ... guess not
[06:46] <danko123456> no, not at all.
[06:46] <dazzed> can anyone help me install the xmmsinfopipe perl module i got it but dunno how to install
[06:46] <waseem> danko123456: ya ive done everything on that page already
[06:46] <danko123456> ok, cool.
[06:47] <waseem> but im still getting the error
[06:47] <danko123456> thats not cool...:P
[06:47] <Cowlike> dazzed is there a Makefile.PL in what you downloaded?
[06:47] <danko123456> whats the error?
[06:47] <metalsand> Crimson: the restart fixed my intenal card
[06:47] <waseem> Could not find directory containing this class.
[06:47] <waseem> Class URL file is: "file:jgrasp.jar!/Grasp.class".
[06:47] <metalsand> now how do I run an update to install the drivers for my new PCMCIA card?
[06:47] <crimsun> metalsand: ah, so it was indeed the infamous reset.
[06:48] <metalsand> I reset it once, but maybe I just ctrl + alt + backspaced
[06:48] <metalsand> and didn't fully reset.
[06:48] <crimsun> metalsand: use the update applet, or sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade
[06:48] <jordanau> Cowlike, remember if you are having difficulties with file permissions, dont be ashamed to ask at any time :D
[06:49] <Cowlike> jordanau   :)
[06:49] <Cowlike> jordanau, what's the sticky bit again and what is the chmod to set it?   (j/k)
[06:49] <metalsand> Going through a bunch of downloading/installing :D
[06:50] <metalsand> Done... Done... Should I assume it got the drivers for my PCMCIA card, Crimsun?
[06:50] <sproingie> can someone remind me how to get and compile a source package with apt?
[06:50] <jordanau> Cowlike, i am glad you are kidding cause i couldnt answer!
[06:50] <crimsun> sproingie: apt-get build-dep somepackage && apt-get -b source somepackage
[06:50] <crimsun> Cowlike: 7
[06:50] <Cowlike> lol
[06:50] <clee> so, what's my best bet for burning a DVD successfully?
[06:50] <jordanau> haha
[06:50] <Cowlike> it's not 7
[06:50] <Cowlike> :)
[06:51] <clee> growisofs freezes at the very beginning here
[06:51] <crimsun> it's +t ;)
[06:51] <clee> refuses to move past 0.0%
[06:51] <metalsand> Does anyone in the channel have experience running Kismet?
[06:51] <Cowlike> very useful on /tmp so those other weasels don't go rm'ing your files :)
[06:51] <crimsun> clee: probably dvd+rw-tools in conjunction with a frontend if that so suits you
[06:51] <shido6> how do I restart my mouse services
[06:51] <shido6> it dies a lot
[06:51] <sproingie> crimsun: know of any way to browse source repos besides ftp?  i can't find mzscheme anywhere in aptitude, but i think there's a source package.
[06:51] <shido6> randomly
[06:52] <neighborlee> trying to print in gimp...printer name says what it should which is officejet5500HP...but printer model just says postscript level 2..is there a fix for this or am I just missing a needed driver or something???
[06:52] <crimsun> clee: though I apologise in advance if that doesn't suit you, since I don't have a dvd+rw
[06:52] <crimsun> clee: might want to ping calc or zack ;)
[06:52] <danko123456> waseem...
[06:53] <dazzed> so can anyone help me installing a pm?
[06:53] <sproingie> i wish aptitude would do sources
[06:53] <danko123456> can you paste the jgrasp file somewhere?
[06:53] <waseem> danko123456: i posted the error up there
[06:53] <clee> crimsun: hm. growisofs, from dvd+rw-tools, doesn't work.
[06:54] <danko123456> pastebin...
[06:54] <clee> http://nixdoc.net/files/forum/about24473.html and http://lists.debian.org/cdwrite/2005/02/msg00042.html indicate that it's not just me
[06:54] <clee> (this is a Plextor SATA DVD burner)
[06:54] <crimsun> clee: d'oh, ok. Sorry. Again, I don't have the hardware.
[06:55] <clee> weird thing is, I can burn a CD fine with cdrecord
[06:55] <dazzed> anyone help me install a perlmodule pwease :)?
[06:55] <z3k3__> dazzed: http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=how+to+install+a+perl+module
[06:55] <sig> dazzed: which one?
[06:55] <z3k3__> :P
[06:55] <dazzed> sig: xmmsinfopipe
[06:55] <jordanau> cowbud, so it allows people to write to files but not rename or delete the file??
[06:55] <dazzed> z3k3__: ill give that a look
[06:55] <jordanau> Cowlike, ^^
[06:55] <dazzed> z3k3__: if i havent like 1000times already
[06:55] <metalsand> What's the apt-get command to install a Ethernet modem?
[06:55] <z3k3__> dazzed: also look for info on cpan
[06:56] <Cowlike> jordanau, if the sticky bit is set on a dir, only the user who creates a file in that dir, or root, can rm the file
[06:56] <dazzed> z3k3__: i got it from cpan
[06:56] <sig> dazzed: hmm
[06:56] <dad> What is the difference between kernels 2.4 (stable?), 2.5 (?) and 2.6 (testing?)
[06:56] <z3k3__> dazzed: which module
[06:56] <sig> see if it is in apt
[06:56] <dazzed> but i dunno how to install it...i try bash INSTALL no go
[06:56] <Cowlike> jordanau, normally anyone with write access to the dir can remove it
[06:56] <dazzed> z3k3__: xmms Info Pipe
[06:56] <sig> dad: the stable part
[06:56] <sig> lol
[06:56] <z3k3__> pico -w INSTALL?
[06:56] <dazzed> z3k3__: i have the plugin i just neeed to install perl module
[06:56] <stuNNed> dad: 2.6 is stable for most
[06:56] <jordanau> Cowlike, i could see how that would be very useful for people other than myself
[06:56] <dad> i'm having net crashes with <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:56] <sig> joe@Laptop:~$ apt-cache search xmms info pipe
[06:57] <Cowlike> jordanau, useful on a multi-user system
[06:57] <sig> xmms-infopipe - General plugin for XMMS, reports real-time information to a pipejoe@Laptop:~$
[06:57] <dad> i was thinking about dropping down to either 2.5 or 2.4
[06:57] <z3k3__> dazzed: what plugin?
[06:57] <dazzed> sig: that just gives me the plugin
[06:57] <dazzed> z3k3__: its for torsmo
[06:57] <Cowlike> dazzed, did you download a tgz with the module or what?
[06:57] <gorilla_> dad, try 2.6.10 as the 2.5 series are for kernel developers only....
[06:58] <sig> apt-cache search cpan
[06:58] <jordanau> i am going to be setting up my parents computer to be accessed by me through ssh, can i periodically back things up automatically through ssh as well?
[06:58] <masterloki> Ok
[06:58] <dazzed> Cowlike: yeah kinda....i got it with a build.pl a install and a manifest but i dunno use any of em they arent working
[06:58] <dazzed> Cowlike: and it cam with the pm ina  lib folder
[06:58] <segphault> I'm trying to build vim with ruby support... and it can't find the headers. I tried installing ruby-dev, but there doesn't seem to be one. Any suggestions?
[06:58] <z3k3__> dad: what kind of crashes
[06:58] <gorilla_> jordanau, yes try rdiff-backup or checking freshmeat. :-)
[06:58] <jordanau> gorilla_, thanks
[06:59] <dad> NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0 transmit timeout
[06:59] <dad> thats what dmesg shows.. I always have to reboot.. my net stops working randomly
[06:59] <masterloki> crimsun: Done just got some warning about deprecated pointers ans non defined structures, but it say everything was done succesfully
[06:59] <crimsun> masterloki: ls ../*.deb
[06:59] <Cowlike> dazzed: did you try running "perl build.pl && sudo install"?   usually cpan stuff comes witn a Makefile.PL and you do "perl Makefile.PL && sudo make install"  no README or INSTALL to read?
[07:00] <dazzed> Cowlike: ill try ...the readme had nothing about thi install
[07:00] <masterloki> ../alsa-modules-2.6.10-5-k7_1.0.8-4ubuntu4_i386.deb
[07:00] <crimsun> masterloki: ok, good. Now, dpkg -i ../*.deb
[07:01] <Cowlike> jordanau, you can remotely copy files, kind of like ftp, by using the program "scp" from the ssh suite.
[07:01] <dazzed> Cowlike:
[07:01] <dazzed>
[07:01] <dazzed> Can't locate Module/Build.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at Build.PL line 1.
[07:01] <dazzed> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at Build.PL line 1.
[07:01] <cyphase> Go to http://cyphase.homelinux.com/ to try out my Wordpress Shoutbox plugin
[07:01] <dazzed> this is tupid :)
[07:01] <dazzed> lol
[07:01] <jordanau> Cowlike, thank you very much
[07:01] <z3k3__> dazzed: slocate Build.pm
[07:01] <masterloki> crimsun: Done
[07:01] <dazzed> it didnt come with a Build.pm do i need to get it?
[07:01] <masterloki> crimsun: no problems
[07:01] <crimsun> masterloki: good. Now you can reboot.
[07:01] <Cowlike> dazzed, yes
[07:01] <z3k3__> dazzed: perhaps the path to Build.pm may not be in the @INC?
[07:02] <dazzed> Cowlike, z3k3__ : GAY!
[07:02] <masterloki> I'll be rigth back
[07:02] <jordanau> dazzed, not that thats a bad thing...
[07:02] <dazzed> ill brb get some more  pm's to install a pm
[07:02] <dazzed> lol
[07:02] <Cowlike> there is an easier way to install modules through teh cpan shell but i don't know offhand exactly how to do it
[07:02] <dazzed> its just a pain to have to get all this shit it doesnt come with lol
[07:03] <limer> how do I have mplayer stretch the video in full screen?
[07:03] <z3k3__> dazzed: just trying to help, saying GAY! makes me respond "figure it out yourself then".
[07:03] <crimsun> Cowlike: here: http://wiki.splitbrain.org/debiansnippets
[07:03] <dazzed> z3k3__: no not calling you gay just the situation im in
[07:03] <dazzed> lol
[07:03] <z3k3__> humm..
[07:04] <z3k3__> well.. google is your friend.  sometimes...
[07:04] <Cowlike> crimsun, that looks like a good way! dazzed, check out htat link crimsun sent
[07:04] <dazzed> yeah sept when it gives u nothing !
[07:04] <DonL> how does "gay" describe the situation you're in?
[07:05] <segphault> this is starting to look bad... what do I do if I want to write ruby extensions on Ubuntu??
[07:05] <segphault> gah. This is the *only* deficiency I've found in Ubuntu, and it's enough to make me wish I hadn't switched. ={
[07:06] <crimsun> segphault: enable universe, install the appropriate ruby packages, and have at it.
[07:06] <jordanau> DonL,  is calling something you don't like gay an idiom?
[07:06] <molotov> you can't install jre for firefox through synaptic?
[07:06] <segphault> crimsun: I have universe, and it's got ruby... but not ruby-dev. No headers.
[07:06] <crimsun> segphault: which ruby, though?
[07:06] <crimsun> (there are different versions)
[07:07] <crimsun> 7.2? 7.4? 7.6?
[07:07] <segphault> crimsun: 1.8
[07:07] <dr_willis> 0_o
[07:07] <crimsun> err, sorry, I'm thinking of a completely different package
[07:07] <crimsun> (pike*)
[07:07] <DonL> jordanau, maybe renaming might be appropriate
[07:07] <segphault> ah
[07:07] <crimsun> segphault: err, ruby1.8-dev?
[07:08] <Cowlike> crimsun, does this command "dh-make-perl --build --install --cpan <modulename>" install the module as well?
[07:08] <crimsun> segphault: it's in main, btw
[07:08] <segphault> crimsun: apt-cache isn't finding it
[07:08] <segphault> crimsun: that would be the package tho
[07:08] <daryl_> So I've got Linux, now what????
[07:08] <molotov> Is there anyway to clean out deps. that are not neede danymore?
[07:08] <crimsun> segphault: Candidate: 1.8.1+1.8.2pre4-1   500 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages
[07:08] <danko123456_away> hah
[07:09] <Burgundavia> molotov, deborphan
[07:09] <z3k3__> dazzed: perl-module-Build
[07:09] <segphault> crimsun: thanks. I was looking for ruby-dev before, not ruby1.8-dev
[07:09] <segphault> hehe I really got worried there for a minute
[07:09] <Burgundavia> molotov, install it and use the filter in synaptic
[07:09] <crimsun> Cowlike: /me wonders at --install
[07:09] <masterloki> crimsun: I'm back but still no sound now alsamixer don't let me set volume for master, PCM, surrond and others...
[07:09] <Cowlike> haha
[07:10] <Cowlike> crimsun, i always just used the way defined here... http://www.cpan.org/modules/INSTALL.html
[07:10] <crimsun> masterloki: eh? Please paste amixer output to pastebin.com again
[07:10] <masterloki> Ok
[07:10] <Cowlike> crimsun, still getting used to all these debian tricks
[07:10] <DonL> It's late here for me. t
[07:10] <z3k3__> dazzed: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Module-Build/
[07:10] <DonL> Thanks for the chat. Night
[07:10] <danko123456_away> nigt
[07:11] <daryl_> I've just installed Ubuntu....  Now what?  Everything should run fine alone right?
[07:11] <dazzed> z3k3_away: im reading that right now and i got Build.pm installed under 5.8.4/KIF and its still not picking it up when i try to run perl Build.PL
[07:11] <Cowlike> daryl, no...unfortunately nothing works!
[07:12] <z3k3_away> daryl_: yep, now start installing stuff :)
[07:12] <daryl_> COOL!
[07:12] <tritium> Cowlike, come now, that's not true.
[07:12] <daryl_> I'm just a bit lost with all this new vocab.
[07:12] <segphault> daryl_: the base install has most of what you will want, but you can use synaptic to get more software
[07:12] <Cowlike> i'm just kidding of course
[07:12] <masterloki> crimsun: done
[07:12] <crimsun> masterloki: sec.
[07:12] <z3k3_away> dazzed: you should try to cpan install Module::Build and see if its installed er not
[07:12] <z3k3_away> dazzed: I am not a perl experty by any means, just a thought.
[07:12] <tritium> daryl_, well, what would you _like_ to do?
[07:13] <daryl_> I don't know... I just wanted to try Linux
[07:13] <crimsun> masterloki: looks like a corrupt /var/lib/alsa/asound.state
[07:13] <dazzed> so 'cpan install Module::Build' and try that?
[07:13] <z3k3_away> daryl_: Feel the all inspiring glory of it... take it all in.
[07:13] <tritium> daryl_, awesome!  Glad you did.  :)
[07:13] <Cowlike> daryl, you picked a good distro to try.
[07:13] <masterloki> :O
[07:13] <z3k3_away> dazzed: looks close..
[07:13] <daryl_> I think so.
[07:13] <crimsun> masterloki: please exit any programs using the sound device, then sudo modprobe -r snd_via82xx snd_ac97_codec
[07:13] <segphault> daryl_: if you are generally a proficient computer user and you want to find out why so many of us prefer linux, google for a bash tutorial
[07:13] <daryl_> bash tutorial eh'
[07:14] <crimsun> masterloki: then sudo rm /var/lib/alsa/asound.state
[07:14] <dazzed> z3k3_away: ok givin it a shot :)
[07:14] <daryl_> Another new word.. lol
[07:14] <Cowlike> daryl, and if you are a computer newbie, god help you :)
[07:14] <tritium> daryl_, we'll be here to help you too :)
[07:14] <crimsun> masterloki: then sudo modprobe snd_via82xx
[07:14] <crimsun> masterloki: then you should be able to use alsamixer to adjust the mixer elements again
[07:14] <daryl_> I'm not an idiot.... I can read and follow directions..
[07:14] <masterloki> how do i see wich app' are using the sound device
[07:14] <crimsun> masterloki: lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*
[07:15] <z3k3_away> daryl_: RTFM you mean.
[07:15] <z3k3_away> :P
[07:15] <difeta> I'm trying to install enlightenment r17 but I need libc6 >= 2.3.2.ds1-21 where can i get it? hoary on has 2.3.2.ds1-20
[07:15] <dazzed> z3k3_away: i think itll work if i can manage to do it with the right permissions ^-
[07:15] <daryl_> I didn't expect to be sitting here typing on a Linux system so fast.. Everythings seems to be moving in hyper speed..
[07:15] <daryl_> That's a good thing for now..
[07:16] <daryl_> I'm coming from OS X, which I've just learned as well.
[07:16] <z3k3_away> dazzed: http://www.livejournal.com/doc/server/lj.install.perl_setup.modules.html
[07:16] <Cowlike> difeta, is it newer in breezy? i have no idea, just a guess
[07:16] <tritium> daryl_, you installed on PowerPC?
[07:16] <z3k3_away> dazzed: that basically steps you through the entire 'cpan' interface.
[07:16] <dazzed> thanks
[07:16] <daryl_> Yeah I'm on a eMac
[07:16] <difeta> Cowlike, ill check
[07:16] <dazzed> thanks a bunch :)
[07:17] <segphault> wow. I didn't know ubuntu did the ppc thing
[07:17] <segphault> that's pretty cool
[07:17] <daryl_> I'm enjoying it...
[07:17] <daryl_> for now.
[07:17] <z3k3_away> segphault: yep.
[07:17] <masterloki> crimsun: alsamixer keeps the same
[07:18] <crimsun> masterloki: meaning you can't set anything?
[07:18] <z3k3_away> night all.
[07:18] <daryl_> I was just compleatly fed up with windows.. Bought a Mac, learned a little more.. Made me very curious, and now I'm toying with Linux.. All in about 2 months.
[07:18] <nopea> how do I associate .exe files with wine?
[07:18] <z3k3_away> daryl_: i was there once.  5 years later.  still trying Linux.  :)
[07:18] <daryl_> lol..
[07:18] <z3k3_away> nopea: wine thefile.exe  ?
[07:19] <crimsun> masterloki: I noticed that the bug I suspected is confirmed to exist
[07:19] <masterloki> crimsun: only center, cd, mic, auc, pc speak, and via DXS wich appears 3 time
[07:19] <crimsun> masterloki: you need to mute 'IEC958 Capture Monitor'
[07:19] <daryl_> Yeah so I figured a couple of beers and sit around and watch this channel would be a good thing.
[07:19] <daryl_> Even IRC is new to me.. (today)
[07:19] <difeta> Cowlike, yep, its upgraded in breezy
[07:19] <z3k3_away> daryl_: I prefer scotch.  but yep.. its entertaining.
[07:19] <Cowlike> difeta, looks like you're all set :)
[07:19] <daryl_> I love scotch..
[07:19] <daryl_> B&W
[07:20] <daryl_> JB
[07:20] <z3k3_away> daryl_: i just finished Glenfidich.. now i'm onto GlenLivet
[07:20] <z3k3_away> Both nice.
[07:20] <daryl_> Nice....
[07:20] <nopea> z3k3_away, cheers... it open the file
[07:20] <daryl_> GlenLivet would be my 1st choice..
[07:20] <z3k3_away> nopea: awesome!
[07:20] <masterloki> crimsun: can't mute it only set it's value to zero and there is another that says analog
[07:20] <daryl_> SO...  Is there some more channels to hit up with less traffic?
[07:20] <z3k3_away> daryl_: at X-mas I bought my uncle a bottle of Oban ($95.00CDN), we drank it in one night.. it was so tasty.
[07:21] <nopea> z3k3_away, so do I need to run wine from the command for all Windows apps?
[07:21] <daryl_> Yummy!
[07:21] <masterloki> crimsun: ups wrong IEC958, I just muted it...
[07:22] <masterloki> crimsun: the Capture Monitor
[07:22] <crimsun> masterloki: yes, Capture Monitor needs to be muted.
[07:22] <Z3K3> nopea: actually, try and find a comparible open source application and install and run it if possible.
[07:22] <masterloki> Ok
[07:22] <masterloki> now
[07:22] <crimsun> masterloki: now try using amixer to set the volume manually.
[07:22] <masterloki> crimsun: ok
[07:22] <TrendKill> hey guys im having trouble watching divx movies in hoary...anyone can help?
[07:23] <nopea> Z3K3, sorry dont really follow :-(
[07:23] <Z3K3> nopea: if you run a windows app a lot, you could always create a "launcher"
[07:23] <crimsun> TrendKill: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:23] <TrendKill> crimsun, thanks
[07:23] <alvaro> how can I print a pdf ussing cups?
[07:23] <Z3K3> nopea: for example, instead of windows app photoshop, use linux app gimp.
[07:23] <Z3K3> nopea: etc, etc, etc.
[07:23] <Z3K3> :)
[07:24] <dazzed> gimp is better anyway
[07:24] <nopea> Z3K3,ahhh hehe yeah well I still havent an HTML editor that can do the things I want to do in Dreamweaver
[07:25] <dazzed> nopea: i am a webdesigner...bluefish or something like that works just as good
[07:25] <daryl_> The only gripe I have so far is my single button mouse..  There surely must be something out there to help incorporate this into my newly found OS?
[07:25] <dazzed> i forget what its called as i like to code most things b y hand
[07:25] <Z3K3> nopea: I here you there.  For a WYSIWYG thing.  I know there is some WYSIWYG editior as part of Mozilla I think.
[07:25] <masterloki> crimsun: mixer -c 0 sset Master 100
[07:25] <masterloki> Simple mixer control 'Master',0
[07:25] <masterloki>   Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined
[07:25] <masterloki>   Playback channels: Mono
[07:25] <masterloki>   Mono: Playback [on]
[07:25] <Myrtti> huomenta, I mean good morning to all
[07:25] <segphault> nopea: Vim... best html editor ever. =}
[07:25] <masterloki> crimsun: is this rigth?
[07:25] <Myrtti> nopea: have you tried nvu?
[07:25] <Z3K3> nopea: and perhaps bluefush as dazzed suggested.
[07:25] <nopea> dazzed, Yes bluefish is good.. the only thing I want is to be able to chop up tables like I can in DW's WYSIWYG
[07:25] <Dethread> vim, best editor ever...for anything!
[07:25] <segphault> daryl_: get a mouse with two buttons. ;-D
[07:26] <g14> vim is weak, real men use ed
[07:26] <Z3K3> or pico for the lazy
[07:26] <crimsun> masterloki: syntax-wise, yes
[07:26] <Dethread> pico is the devil
[07:26] <daryl_> Yeah I keep on meaing to do that...
[07:26] <dazzed> nopea: true that would make things easier
[07:26] <crimsun> masterloki: (you want to do that for PCM, too)
[07:26] <Z3K3> lol
[07:26] <masterloki> Ok
[07:26] <nopea> Myrtti, Nvu can do that either :(
[07:26] <crimsun> masterloki: (though 100 may distort)
[07:26] <masterloki> Ok
[07:26] <daryl_> I need a good friend to come and smash this one.. I'm a cheap skate.
[07:26] <Myrtti> nopea: ok, I haven't tried it yet, I usually don't need wysiwygs
[07:26] <masterloki> crimsun: ok Set to 80
[07:26] <Myrtti> nopea: good to know
[07:26] <masterloki> crimsun: Now?
[07:26] <nopea> cant I mean
[07:27] <Myrtti> nopea: got that :->
[07:27] <crimsun> masterloki: confirm that it works or doesn't?
[07:27] <tritium> daryl_, F12 acts like the right mouse button
[07:27] <nopea> Myrtti, yeah Blue fish is great for HTML - I am just lazy I gueess DW is great for tables
[07:27] <daryl_> And my "eject" key does as well..
[07:27] <Myrtti> nopea: I'd need it for the same reason too
[07:27] <Z3K3> g'night.
[07:27] <Z3K3> #exit
[07:27] <Z3K3> lol
[07:28] <dazzed> nopea: your right DW is GREAT with tables
[07:28] <dazzed> but when it comes down to it ... i need to get to the nitty gritty and do it by the pixel test and go
[07:28] <Myrtti> but I'd be in extacy if Chami's HTML-kit were available for Linux
[07:28] <Myrtti> that would be orgastic
[07:28] <nopea> I guess one option would be have Dreamweaver on one of the network Windows amchien and RDP into it
[07:28] <masterloki> crimsun: refuses to work
[07:29] <daryl_> I'm trying to figure this IRC out as well. SO... How are you imputing text with my name up front and making the font red at the same time?
[07:29] <ivoks> :)
[07:29] <ivoks> morning
[07:29] <nopea> dang I cant type today :(
[07:29] <crimsun> masterloki: how about creating a softvol asoundrc?
[07:29] <nopea> ok maybe not just today ;-O
[07:29] <ivoks> daryl_ LOL
[07:29] <Myrtti> daryl_: it's all about your irc-program
[07:29] <ivoks> daryl_ that's ur app doing
[07:29] <masterloki> crimsun: how do I do that?
[07:29] <Myrtti> it highlights all the text with you nick within
[07:29] <daryl_> X something.. Came with the Linux.
[07:30] <daryl_> Ah.. C-chat
[07:30] <nopea> anybody try DW under wine?
[07:30] <segphault> daryl_: xchat
[07:30] <TrendKill> crimsun, is it possible to install the win32 codecs on an ubuntu 64 system?
[07:30] <ivoks> with linux, lol
[07:30] <daryl_> x-chat.
[07:30] <daryl_> yup
[07:30] <ivoks> it camed with gnome
[07:30] <ivoks> not linux
[07:30] <segphault> daryl_: if you start typing someone's nick and hit the tab key, it auto-completes it and puts in the colon
[07:30] <ivoks> u didn't even seen linux
[07:30] <crimsun> masterloki: pcm.soft { type softvol slave.pcm "hw:0,0" }
[07:30] <crimsun> masterloki: you may wish to consult the alsa-lib documentation and alsa.opensrc.org
[07:30] <masterloki> in /etc/asound.conf?
[07:30] <Myrtti> ivoks: give the newbie a chance before whaling him to death
[07:30] <crimsun> masterloki: ~/.asoundrc
[07:30] <ivoks> Myrtti :) ok :)
[07:31] <crimsun> masterloki: (or /etc/asound.conf, sure)
[07:31] <limer> I love vlc :D
[07:31] <crimsun> masterloki: I'm also in #alsa if you want to ping me there
[07:31] <daryl_> Ok... so for a test....
[07:31] <ivoks> Myrtti newbies in croatia call Linux - Linuxi (plurall)
[07:31] <crimsun> TrendKill: in a 32-bit chroot, sure
[07:31] <daryl_> crimsun, Did I do it right?
[07:32] <Myrtti> ivoks: so?
[07:32] <ivoks> Myrtti couse we say Windows here and refere to plurall :)
[07:32] <crimsun> daryl_: my irc client highlights, yes
[07:32] <ivoks> ah, never mind
[07:32] <daryl_> Great!
[07:32] <daryl_> lol... getting better at this every second.
[07:32] <Myrtti> <3 irssi
[07:33] <daryl_> brb all...
[07:33] <Myrtti> hm, I need new wallpaper
[07:34] <nate__> hehehe
[07:35] <nate__> hahaha
[07:35] <molotov> gtk+-2.0 not found while doing a makefile
[07:35] <nate__> w00t!
[07:35] <molotov> what package is that in
[07:35] <crimsun> molotov: libgtk2.0-dev
[07:35] <molotov> is there a way to clean out unused dependancies?
[07:35] <crimsun> someone already answered that, molotov ;)
[07:36] <daryl_> What do I need to do to keep this OS running up to par now?
[07:36] <Myrtti> there ~/ cleaned up
[07:36] <ivoks> deborphan
[07:36] <molotov> crimsun, name didn't go off
[07:36] <metasquier> Hi, I was wondering if someone would be so kind to redirect me to a howto page on how to appy a mnlinuz patch.
[07:36] <metasquier> vmlinuz*
[07:37] <Myrtti> molotov: then you should reconfigure your IRC-client
[07:37] <molotov> could you repeat
[07:37] <Myrtti> if you meant that a highlight didn't light up when your nick isn't mentioned first, then it's a thing on your IRC-client
[07:38] <molotov> no, what was attached to what I missed
[07:38] <nopea> Well DW dies when trying to install
[07:38] <Myrtti> I've slept too little
[07:38] <daryl_> What's a good app to rip DVD's?
[07:38] <molotov> crimsun, ?
[07:38] <metasquier> I had some problems with my USB controllers because I have a SiS chipset, and I was told to apply a patch (vmlinuz-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-686.2) but I have no idea how to do this
[07:39] <daryl_> I have so many questions...
[07:40] <metasquier> I was hoping someone could point me to a howto or somthing that might shed some light on my situation
[07:40] <crimsun> molotov: which?
[07:40] <crimsun> molotov: deborphan? aptitude?
[07:40] <metasquier> sorry?
[07:40] <daryl_> Can Gmail be set up through whatever mail client ubuntu uses?  I couldn't find anything on gmails help link.
[07:40] <punkass> does any one know how to feed input to a command run from a bash script...for example in a bash script i have "apt-get install somepackage" and now it asks for a "install Y or N" and i want the bash script to automatically put in a Y without any user intervention
[07:40] <punkass> any thoughts?
[07:40] <Myrtti> daryl_: yes
[07:40] <crimsun> punkass: -y
[07:41] <daryl_> Myrtti, do I use POP?
[07:41] <crimsun> punkass: to apt-get
[07:41] <Myrtti> daryl_: yes
[07:41] <crimsun> punkass: otherwise, just echo y to the process
[07:41] <metasquier> daryl: yeah you use pop, I dont know how to configure it, havent tried yet... Im planning to, but somehow you need to get it to use TLS and a different port number for smtp
[07:41] <punkass> well apt-get was just an example..i am curous about any command...say adduser as another example where it asks for firstname lastname etc
[07:42] <metasquier> try Thunderbird
[07:42] <metasquier> thats easy to setup with gmail
[07:42] <tritium> daryl_, I'm using evolution with gmail (via POP).  My only issue is that messages I delete in evo don't get deleted on gmail
[07:42] <metasquier> then you need to untick the the leave messages on server option
[07:43] <daryl_> tritium, I had the same issue with Apple Mail.
[07:43] <tritium> daryl_, that's good to know...
[07:43] <metasquier> gmail dont like you deleteing message of the server
[07:43] <Myrtti> tritium: that's because you're using pop
[07:43] <metasquier> they give you huge as accounts so that you dont delete your messages.......fishy
[07:43] <daryl_> Yeah every week or so I'd log in to the website and archive everything.
[07:43] <tritium> Myrtti, no way around it, then?
[07:43] <molotov> crimsun, what's that mean?
[07:44] <Myrtti> pop usually doesn't have the "delete message on server if deleted locally" -feature
[07:44] <metasquier> does anyone know anything about patching the kernel?
[07:44] <crimsun> molotov: aptitude tracks package usage. deborphan is called. Please see their man pages.
[07:44] <daryl_> I have 3 email accounts I'd like to set up on my Linux side.. a comcast.net, a mac.com, and a gmail.  Should be no problem with any of them eh'?
[07:44] <punkass> @crimson:  and when i do something like adduser   echo "bill"  that doesnt work cuz its still waiting on the adduser command to finish
[07:45] <Myrtti> daryl_: depends on what email-client you choose
[07:45] <tritium> daryl_, shouldn't be a problem with evo.  I have several accounts configured.
[07:45] <crimsun> punkass: because the syntax is wrong
[07:45] <punkass> oh :)
[07:45] <daryl_> Cool..
[07:45] <metasquier> Can anyone give me some help on patching the kernel?
[07:45] <Myrtti> daryl_: if you pick some exotic, rough on the edges client, then you might have a problem
[07:45] <daryl_> Use JB Weld.. lol
[07:45] <crimsun> punkass: echo "$foo" | sudo adduser
[07:46] <crimsun> punkass: but keep in mind you'll want to pass flags to adduser, not just use it by itself
[07:46] <crimsun> punkass: the man page will help you with that
[07:46] <crimsun> punkass: else it will hang asking you for last name, first name, ...
[07:46] <daryl_> tritium, So everything should work with the email client that came with the distro then?
[07:46] <punkass> @crimsun: and that will work for multiple questions, as it asks, for name, password (twice) etc
[07:47] <crimsun> punkass: the man page explains all
[07:47] <tritium> daryl_, it should, yes.
[07:47] <daryl_> Cool thanks.
[07:47] <punkass> yeah i understand the adduser command... was just curious if echoing multiple items into it will still work
[07:48] <metasquier> Could someone please help me with patching my kernel? Ive looked everywhere for information but still makes no sense to me
[07:48] <daryl_> how about Yahoo Messenger.. Still usable?
[07:48] <tritium> daryl_, you can use gaim with yahoo messenger service
[07:49] <daryl_> Gaim?  Come with the distro?
[07:49] <tritium> daryl_, yes.  Under Applications->Internet
[07:50] <daryl_> Anything funky I should be ready for?
[07:50] <daryl_> Ah.. I think I've got it..
[07:50] <danielretief> hey could someone please give me some help with patching my kernel so I can get my USB controller working?
[07:51] <calamari> hi
[07:51] <danielretief> hi
[07:51] <daryl_> calamari, Hi
[07:51] <Myrtti> could somebody please help danielretief, his repetative pleas of help start to annoy.
[07:52] <calamari> hi daryl
[07:52] <danielretief> hey calamari, do you know anything about patching kernels?
[07:52] <Myrtti> sorry, I can't
[07:52] <Myrtti> for the record
[07:52] <danielretief> lol sorry, Im desperate
[07:52] <calamari> danielretief: no, sorry..
[07:52] <daryl_> i told you daniel... Use JB Weld... lol
[07:52] <danielretief> JB Weld?
[07:52] <daryl_> LMOF
[07:53] <calamari> danielretief: I'd assume there is a faq, mini-faq, or howto for it somewhere out there for it
[07:53] <danielretief> yeah Ive been looking
[07:53] <Myrtti> daryl_: what's that, JB Weld?
[07:53] <daryl_> It's like a puddy... For fixing cracked plastics, steels etc.. I'm just joshing with you.
[07:53] <danielretief> I dont quite understand what a vmlinuz file is tho
[07:53] <calamari> danielretief: do you have the patch downloaded?
[07:53] <daryl_> Sorry..
[07:53] <daryl_> lol
[07:53] <danielretief> yes I do
[07:53] <calamari> danielretief: that is the binary file that the compiler produced
[07:54] <danielretief> yeah Ive downloaded it
[07:54] <calamari> it's the kernel image basically
[07:54] <danielretief> ok, so what do I do with it
[07:54] <calamari> danielretief: okay.. like I say, I know nothing about patching kernels.. but in other pojects I've seen, patches are applied to source code, not binaries
[07:54] <calamari> danielretief: this would make sense too, because the source is always the same.. binaries are not
[07:55] <daryl_> Okay... I've been at this linux for about 30 minutes now.. I still can figure out how to install Skype.
[07:55] <danielretief> tru, but still somthing about that file needs to be done, cos thats what the fix for my problem said in a forum
[07:55] <danielretief> however I have no idea what to do with the bin file
[07:55] <calamari> danielretief: I asumme you've also untarred/unzipped the patch?
[07:56] <danielretief> daryl_: linux is highly educational, dont give up, it will take you a while to get things working but its worth the learning experiance
[07:56] <Fanglez> is there any way to wipe the grub loader from my winxp install ad shove it to a floppy disk?
[07:56] <tritium> daryl_, you may find this URL handy: http://ubuntuguide.org/
[07:56] <daryl_> danielretief, Yeah I'm not a quitter...
[07:56] <danielretief> well it was just a .bin file
[07:56] <calamari> danielretief: interesting.. I'm not familiar with that for patches
[07:56] <Zambo33> anyone installed Hedgehog into Apple G3?
[07:56] <masterloki> crimsun: the file isn't there, but alsamixer still don't let me edit the values
[07:57] <danielretief> calamari: yeah I found it weird too
[07:57] <calamari> danielretief: how big is it?
[07:57] <Zambo33> I tried 'install-power3' and it crashes into OpenBios
[07:57] <danielretief> calamari: its actually one of the bugs on ubuntu's bugzilla
[07:57] <danielretief> calamari: its not that big
[07:57] <ivoks> Zambo33 i installed debian on G3
[07:57] <calamari> danielretief: can you dcc it to me?
[07:57] <danielretief> calamari: relativly small, so definatly not the whole kernel
[07:57] <daryl_> don't know what to do with them yet.. I was expecting linux to be a big DOS like program.. I was pretty amazed at what the login screen gave me... lol.. I had no idea what I was getting into.. I just wanted to try it.
[07:57] <ivoks> Zambo33 just hit enter, don't choose other kernel
[07:58] <danielretief> calamari: hold Ill get you the URL where i got it from
[07:58] <calamari> danielretief: even better :)
[07:58] <Zambo33> ivoks: hmm... that was ok... but does it mean, I don't get G3 optimisations?
[07:58] <elcu> daryl_: how are you liking it so far?
[07:58] <ivoks> Zambo33 you will
[07:58] <tritium> daryl_, I hope you'll enjoy it enough to keep using it.
[07:58] <ivoks> Zambo33 default kernel is optimized for G3
[07:59] <Zambo33> ok, I try that now... :)
[07:59] <ivoks> Zambo33 but isn't for G4 and G5
[07:59] <daryl_> elcu, Umm not bad.. I don't know enough to know I don't know NOTHING! lol.
[07:59] <danielretief> calamari: This is the related bug: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1971 and Ill just get the patch URL
[07:59] <Zambo33> ivoks ThankS!!!
[07:59] <ryman> whats the command to remove a folder and all the files in it ?
[07:59] <calamari> Anyone know how to change the program that drives the Audio/Video properties tab (for example, go to Properties for an mp3).  It doesn't usually have useful information.  Maybe another program can do better.
[07:59] <Dethread> ryman, rm -rf folder
[08:00] <daryl_> tritium, I'm not going anywhere.. I finally got the dual OS's to boot, only took 3 days.  I'm here to stay.
[08:00] <ryman> Dethread+  thanks
[08:00] <tritium> danielretief, that bugzilla page says it's been fixed in the 2.6.10 kernel in Hoary
[08:00] <danielretief> calamari: this is the file I downloaded http://gondor.apana.org.au/~herbert/ubuntu/acpi/vmlinuz-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-686.2
[08:00] <freewoody> Hi all
[08:00] <daryl_> Those partitions are a pain if you've never done them before.
[08:00] <danielretief> tritium: I dont have Hoary yet
[08:01] <danielretief> tritium: Im still using Warty
[08:01] <freewoody> How do I know which firewall application gives these logs > IN=eth1 OUT=MAC ....
[08:01] <daryl_> boot strap's.... Yeah, I've got 2 of them on my feet.
[08:01] <daryl_> lol
[08:01] <dazzed> daryl_: true...you could just cut out ur whole windows partition and be linux obsessed by accident like me :)
[08:01] <tritium> danielretief, it would likely be less painful to upgrade to Hoary than to build a new, patched kernel, especially if you've never done it
[08:01] <elcu> daryl_: especially if you don't have a copy of partition magic handy
[08:01] <ivoks> lol
[08:01] <daryl_> dazzed, I'm on a Mac, but yeah.. I just did a clean wipe and started everything over.
[08:02] <tritium> daryl_, no more OS X at all?  I'm impressed
[08:02] <danielretief> tritium: yeah I figured but I really cant download an entire distro, I only have dialup, and my order of Hoary is coming, I just cant wait that long
[08:02] <dazzed> Burgundavia: what u talking?
[08:02] <danielretief> lol
[08:02] <daryl_> tritium, No I still have OS X..
[08:02] <dazzed> daryl_: yeah from what i here osx owns
[08:02] <ivoks> osx sucks
[08:02] <danielretief> whats this osx?
[08:02] <daryl_> I don't mind OS X..
[08:02] <dazzed> mac os
[08:02] <danielretief> is that, that windows clone?
[08:02] <danielretief> oh right
[08:02] <danielretief> tru
[08:02] <ivoks> lol windows clone :)
[08:02] <danielretief> its too damn expensive
[08:03] <dazzed> pay for the product
[08:03] <ivoks> where were windows when mac had it's OS? :)
[08:03] <freewoody> So can somebody help me figure out these logs > IN=eth1 OUT=MAC.. SRC.. DST...
[08:03] <elcu> danielretief: apparently, the latest one is worth it.
[08:03] <dazzed> they make quality computers
[08:03] <danielretief> oh nah I just got confused with that other thing some dude was making a windows clone
[08:03] <danielretief> hey how do you talk to only one person?
[08:03] <daryl_> It's called Lindows..
[08:03] <danielretief> no not that
[08:03] <danielretief> its not linux based
[08:03] <daryl_> Ah..
[08:03] <danielretief> its fully windows
[08:03] <dazzed> the new windows longhorn?
[08:03] <danielretief> no
[08:03] <danielretief> never mind
[08:03] <dazzed> they released a preview the other day
[08:04] <dazzed> i been thinking bout gettin it
[08:04] <dr_willis> 0_o
[08:04] <danielretief> its made by like one dude
[08:04] <elcu> danielretief: depends on your IRC client, try typeing half of someone's nick and then press tab
[08:04] <ivoks> there is one opensource, nt4-alike
[08:04] <daryl_> no.. Wallmart or something had these $250 or something PC out with "Lindows"
[08:04] <dazzed> elcu: i think he means pm's
[08:04] <molotov> mplayer says the following: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[08:04] <elcu> dazzed: ah, righto
[08:04] <molotov> but it seems that dsl-20 is the latest
[08:04] <ivoks> molotov apt-get -t hoary install mplayer
[08:04] <danielretief> I think this works
[08:04] <daryl_> Oh hey... What do I use to rip DVD's now?
[08:05] <ivoks> danielretief ReactOS
[08:05] <ivoks> daryl_ acidrip
[08:05] <danielretief> YES thats it
[08:05] <molotov> ivoks: Package mplayer is a virtual package
[08:05] <daryl_> I used to use MacTheRipper.. BUT...   I've never used it, so I can't say much about it.
[08:06] <ivoks> molotov  grep universe /etc/apt/sources.list | grep -v "^#"
[08:06] <daryl_> ivoks, does that come with the distro or do I need to go find it?
[08:06] <g14> thoggen works great for me
[08:06] <daryl_> tritium, Thanks..
[08:06] <g14> for dvds
[08:06] <daryl_> So there's a bunch then..
[08:06] <Burgundavia> g14, thoggen is very very slow, but a nice gui
[08:06] <ivoks> daryl_ it isn't in ubuntu
[08:07] <molotov> ivoks, deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[08:07] <molotov> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[08:07] <molotov> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[08:07] <ivoks> daryl_ but there is on marilant
[08:07] <danielretief> thats the thing with ubuntu, you need to apt get most of the stuff
[08:07] <danielretief> thats why it only has one CD
[08:07] <daryl_> ivoks, Ah.. well I'm about 45 minutes young with this Linux stuff.  What is marilant?
[08:07] <ivoks> molotov apt-get -t hoary install mplayer-586
[08:07] <danielretief> hey tell me, is it easy to upgrade between ubuntu releses?
[08:08] <elcu> hmm, tried to install acidrip via synaptic: The following package has unresolved dependencies: acidrip:
[08:08] <elcu>  Depends: mencoder
[08:08] <molotov> ivoks, why can't i get the 386 to make su re it works on older cpus?
[08:08] <tritium> daryl_, see here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:08] <molotov> ivoks, and 586 still spits out dep errors of wanting higher package then what is available
[08:08] <ivoks> molotov then use 386 :)
[08:08] <calamari> danielretief: I was reading the bugzilla page you gave me.. I believe I can help
[08:08] <molotov> same problem...
[08:08] <ivoks> molotov -t hoary/
[08:08] <danielretief> calamari, you can?
[08:08] <ivoks> molotov -t hoary?
[08:08] <molotov> yeah
[08:09] <daryl_> Look's like I've got some reading to do.. I'll be back in a few.
[08:09] <ivoks> molotov than comment out nerim sources in sources.list
[08:09] <ivoks> molotov u have everything explained on ubuntuguide.org
[08:09] <ivoks> daryl_ ubuntuguide.org
[08:09] <molotov> i'm following it to the tea
[08:10] <molotov> ivoks, if i comment out nerim sources mplayer isn't a package anymore
[08:10] <tritium> molotov, what are you installing?
[08:10] <ivoks> molotov lol
[08:10] <molotov> mplayer
[08:11] <ivoks> molotov do u have multiverse in sources.list?
[08:12] <molotov> no?
[08:12] <ivoks> well, u should have :)
[08:12] <ivoks> mplayer is in multiverse
[08:12] <ivoks> add same lines like universe, just shange universe with multiverse
[08:14] <molotov> Depends: libarts (>= 4:2.2.2-1) but it is not installable or
[08:14] <molotov>                         libarts-alsa (>= 4:2.2.2-1) but it is not installable
[08:14] <ivoks> molotov apt-get update
[08:14] <ivoks> molotov apt-get -t hoary install mplayer
[08:15] <ivoks> molotov apt-get -t hoary install mplayer-586
[08:16] <ivoks> molotov follow ubuntuguid.org, u can't miss
[08:16] <devslashtux> yo, could someone give me a hand setting up mod_rewrite for Apache2 under Hoary. The package is installed through apt-get, a2enmod rewrite returns already installed and the mods_enabled dir has an entry in it. Im confused
[08:17] <ivoks> ?
[08:17] <ryman> Does anyone here able to get Ipod work on Ubuntu ?
[08:18] <ivoks> devslashtux u installed mod_rewrite2?
[08:18] <ivoks> devslashtux and u have link from mods-available to mods-enabled?
[08:18] <ivoks> did u restart apache2?
[08:18] <ivoks> then mod_rewrite is up and running
[08:19] <devslashtux> ivoks - ive done all of that, but when i try to use a URL that needs to be mod_rewriten i just get a 404
[08:19] <devslashtux> also, wouldn't apache return an error if the module was missing
[08:19] <ivoks> devslashtux check logs
[08:20] <ivoks> 404 is page not found
[08:20] <ivoks> maybe u didn't rewrite it well
[08:20] <devslashtux> give me a second, i'll check the logs
[08:20] <ivoks> this is apache type of question, not ubuntu :)
[08:21] <ivoks> oh.. have to go...
[08:21] <devslashtux> ivoks - thanks for the help anyway
[08:21] <ivoks> np
[08:22] <nate_> is the passphrase for a key in ssh sent encrypted?
[08:23] <crimsun> yes
[08:23] <daryl_> Anyhow guys... Thanks for the information.. It has been very helpful.. I have a couple truck loads of stuff to read to keep me busy for the rest of the year I'm sure.. I'll be sure to stop in ever now and then for your insight.  Thanks again.
[08:23] <tritium> see you around, daryl_
[08:23] <nate_> crimsun: thanks, I'm trying to set up ssh so I can be confident that its secure
[08:24] <nate_> crimsun: I see a lot of "how-to's" but not a lot of how its actually working when it does what it does
[08:24] <nate_> crimsun: sortof a mystery to me
[08:24] <crimsun> nate_: use a traffic analysis tool like tcpdump
[08:25] <nate_> crimsun: ok, what will that do?
[08:25] <crimsun> nate_: then you can verify that the traffic is enciphered
[08:27] <nate_> crimsun: I'm running it, and its sniffing traffic, but I'm not sure what to look for
[08:27] <crimsun> nate_: see if you can pick out the passphrase
[08:29] <nate_> crimsun: i don't think i see a passphrase, so it that considered secure?
[08:30] <crimsun> nate_: you probably want to keep verifying
[08:30] <crimsun> nate_: but yes, like I mentioned, it's enciphered
[08:30] <pokeman2> ubuntu is bad
[08:30] <lifeless> ?
[08:30] <tritium> ?
[08:31] <kkamrani> bad as in good
[08:31] <pokeman2> it slow
[08:31] <nate_> crimsun: know any good resources for understanding the setting up and the inner workings of ssh?
[08:31] <nate_> pokeman2: on a P1, yes its slow
[08:31] <kkamrani> hey i run it on a p2 and it is faster than fedora
[08:31] <foxiness> if i click on recive/send button on evolution to check my mailbox on google mail it will show me this message "Signature:         BAD"
[08:32] <crimsun> nate_: the man pages
[08:32] <crimsun> nate_: there's also a fairly good O'Reilly book on ssh
[08:33] <kkamrani> ls
[08:33] <foxiness> did any one here have problem on first time "Signature:         BAD" with gmail and evolution ?
[08:34] <Nula> anyone here got beagle working from the wiki info on hoary?? I installed it and it seems to have been insntalled correctly but doesn't seem to be indexing at all... searches return nothing
[08:34] <metasquier> calamari: Hey you still around.....Its danielretief (sorry my nick changed)
[08:34] <calamari_> mine did too.. joys of dialup
[08:34] <calamari_> did it work?
[08:34] <metasquier> lol yeah
[08:34] <nate_> crimsun: wow, no books thanks :)
[08:34] <metasquier> no id didnt
[08:35] <calamari_> what happened?
[08:35] <Fish-Face> Every time I shut down and boot up my network card deactivates, and I have to start it manually from the networking applet
[08:35] <Fish-Face> Is there a way to save its state?
[08:35] <Burgundavia> Nula, you need to exercise the dog first
[08:35] <Nula> Burgundavia, ....
[08:36] <Burgundavia> Nula, http://www.beaglewiki.org/index.php/How%20to%20index%20my%20data
[08:36] <Nula> not funny
[08:36] <Burgundavia> I kid you not
[08:36] <tritium> Fish-Face, yes...
[08:36] <Burgundavia> you have to export BEAGLE_EXERCISE_THE_DOG=1
[08:36] <Nula> Burgundavia, wow :) let me check this out
[08:36] <Burgundavia> Nula, this might also break your beagle install
[08:37] <Burgundavia> as some files still bork it
[08:37] <Burgundavia> I would suggest leaving it on overnight
[08:37] <maximaus> Fish-Face: perhaps add it to /etc/modules or save your session? (wild guess from boob)
[08:37] <Burgundavia> as it will hit your system pretty hard while it is indexing
[08:37] <foxiness> am try to install icu with mono to support unicode with beagle but i can not install it what is the problem if i install icu on apt it like it can not c it , than i download last one but can not install it
[08:38] <Nula> Burgundavia, I just did that.. no increased cpu usage or hard disk activity
[08:38] <metasquier> hey does anyone know how to keep the current configuration for a new recompile?
[08:39] <Burgundavia> Nula, did you start the daemon after you did that?
[08:39] <Nula> Burgundavia, no .. before
[08:39] <nate_> sweet, completely encrypted as far as i can tell
[08:39] <Burgundavia> Nula, you need to export the variable and then start it
[08:39] <tritium> Fish-Face, "man interfaces" for details on how to use "auto"
[08:39] <Burgundavia> Nula, it checks the variable only on startup
[08:39] <Nula> metasquier, make oldconfig
[08:39] <nate_> Burgundavia: know a good site for understanding the inner workings of ssh and maybe a howto?
[08:40] <Nula> Burgundavia, thank you
[08:40] <alka_trash> metasquier: recompile of what? kernel?
[08:40] <Nula> metasquier, or cp /boot/.config /usr/src/linux/
[08:42] <nnonixx> I cannot seem to get the mozilla-mplayer package from multiverse to read the config file. Anyone point me in the right direction?
[08:42] <jambon> for some reason I can't su in a terminal
[08:42] <Burgundavia> nate_, nope, sorry
[08:42] <Burgundavia> Nula, np
[08:42] <Burgundavia> Nula, expect it to break though
[08:42] <jambon> it gives me an authentication failure, despite the fact that the same password works for synaptic
[08:42] <jambon> why?
[08:42] <Nula> Burgundavia, still not doing anything.. even after I exported the variable and ran the daemon
[08:43] <Burgundavia> Nula, hmm, might already be borked
[08:43] <tritium> jambon, root is disabled by default.  The password you give synaptic is your user's.
[08:43] <alka_trash> nnonixx: add this to your apt sources list deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[08:43] <Nula> it's says Count: 0 andn waiting on empty queue
[08:43] <Nula> when I check the status
[08:43] <Burgundavia> Nula, http://www.beaglewiki.org/index.php/Troubleshooting%20Beagle
[08:43] <jambon> tritium, so how do I undisable it?
[08:44] <tritium> jambon, it's recommended that you don't, and use sudo instead: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:44] <Nula> Burgundavia, looks like my problem is different.. at least with all the FAQ question something IS going wrong.. in my case it doesn't do anything .. heh
[08:45] <nnonixx> alka_trash: ok, then how would I direct apt to get mozilla-mplayer from that repository rather than multiverse?
[08:45] <alka_trash> nnonixx: did you add the link
[08:45] <alka_trash> ?
[08:45] <tritium> nnonixx, do the version numbers differ?  you can use apt-get install package=<version number>
[08:45] <nnonixx> yep
[08:45] <Burgundavia> Nula, are you running the debug option?
[08:46] <Nula> I ran it in debug mode and it gets to the main loop
[08:46] <nnonixx> alka_trash: yes
[08:46] <alka_trash> nnonixx:  tritium is correct
[08:46] <nnonixx> alka_trash/tritium: thanks guys, makes sense
[08:46] <alka_trash> apt-get update && apt-get install mplayer    should install it
[08:49] <no0tic> what can I do to save battery? Hd configuration, etc.. ?
[08:50] <Zap> hi i made a really stupid mistake, and i erased /usr/X11R6/bin/X ... how can I get it back?
[08:50] <Nula> no0tic, it should automatically detect laptop and turn on laptop scripts when you are disconnected from AC
[08:50] <geneo93> does checkinstall automaticly list depnds
[08:51] <Nula> no0tic, it includes putting HD to sleep after a few seconds of inactivity
[08:52] <Nula> well.. I give up on beagle... this is gonna have to come out of alpha to be worth messing with :)
[08:52] <tritium> Zap, that file should belong to xserver-common.  Try reinstalling that package.
[08:53] <geneo93> tritium:  do you know
[08:53] <Zap> tritium: thx, i'll try
[08:53] <tritium> geneo93, I've never used it.
[08:53] <geneo93> oh
[08:53] <no0tic> Nula: ok, problems, laptop-mode recognizes I'm on batteries but it leaves the freq governor to userspace, not powersave
[08:54] <no0tic> Nula: the hd doesn't go to sleep because ext3 journaling refreshes cache evrey 5 sec
[08:54] <no0tic> Nula: s/evrey/every
[08:54] <Nula> I use reiserfs so it works fine..
[08:54] <Nula> as for the governor style you can change that manually
[08:55] <Burgundavia> Nula, did you enable xattr?
[08:55] <geneo93> well i also need to export qt3libs
[08:55] <no0tic> Nula: yes, I change dit manually
[08:55] <Burgundavia> Nula, can you with reiserfs?
[08:55] <Fahim> can somebody tell me how to use WPA secure wlan in ubuntu??
[08:55] <Burgundavia> Nula, it might be your fs
[08:55] <Nula> Burgundavia, I did for my / partition
[08:55] <no0tic> Nula: there's a way to tweak ext3 fs?
[08:56] <Nula> no0tic, I'm not sure.. I gave up on ext3 because it's so much slower compared to reiser .. specially when deleting files (severall hundred percent slower according to benchmarks)
[08:57] <Nula> Burgundavia, you are probably right.. that's the only thing I suspect now
[08:57] <no0tic> Nula: so you think reiserfs is a good fs for laptops
[08:58] <tritium> no0tic, I don't.  I had serious fs corruption with reiserfs
[08:58] <Nula> no0tic, very much so... I have been using it on a few servers, laptops, and desktops
[08:58] <tritium> I won't touch it
[08:58] <Nula> tritium, I have had serious corruption with ext3
[08:58] <Burgundavia> ext3 is more stable and older
[08:58] <Nula> I think bad experiences can be said about any FS
[08:58] <tritium> true
[08:58] <Burgundavia> there is a reason that it is default for most distros
[08:58] <geneo93> manual isn't clear on depends or would that be spec file
[08:59] <no0tic> tritium: I used it on my desktop for a year with suse, without problems, but when I switched to laptop it gave me problems
[08:59] <tritium> no0tic, ultimately, it's your call ;)
[08:59] <Nula> I have been using it on my laptop with gentoo/debian/ and ubuntu
[08:59] <Nula> never had any problems
[08:59] <no0tic> tritium: problems about refreshing & hd sleep
[09:00] <tritium> no0tic, suspend-to-disk?
[09:00] <no0tic> tritium: can I change refresh rate on ext3 journaling without formatting the partition?
[09:00] <ventz> has anyone had any luck w/ the ubuntu live cd for the powerpc?
[09:00] <whiteknight> ventz, i run ubuntu on a ppc
[09:00] <Fish-Face> tritium, thanks, but /etc/network/interfaces already has "auto wlan0"
[09:00] <tritium> ventz, yes
[09:00] <no0tic> tritium: no, hd goes to sleep after X seconds of inactivity
[09:00] <tritium> no0tic, hmm...don't know about that
[09:01] <Fish-Face> tritium, the only thing is that it is at the end... I've moved it to before "iface wlan0...." but will that actually do anything?
[09:01] <no0tic> tritium: but reiser & ext3 use the disk ecery 5 sec
[09:01] <j2dope> gday. im trying with no luck to get ubuntu to play my dvds! ive instaalled a heap of codecs thru apt-get
[09:01] <ventz> tritium, whiteknight i downloaded 5iso's and seems like they are not correct
[09:01] <ventz> i downloaded one of the i386's and burned it fine
[09:01] <no0tic> tritium: s/ecery/every
[09:01] <tritium> ventz, did you double-check the md5sum?
[09:01] <j2dope> it keeps saying "Error Reading NAV Packet"... but my dvds worked fine on mandrake before moving to ubuntu