[20:25] <BobJonkman> azend_: ping?
[21:17] <BobJonkman> azend_: I'm going AFK soon; I just wanted to ask about next week's IRC meeting (27 June 2013, 7:00pm EDT) - Can you host an Ubuntu Hour then, so we can have IRC IRL?
[21:22] <BobJonkman> (following up from http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-ca/2013/ubuntu-ca.2013-05-23-23.01.log.html#l-61 )
[21:24] <BobJonkman> (also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings/2013/2013-05-23#line-49 so it must be true :-)
[21:25] <BobJonkman> If you can't host IRC IRL no big deal. If there's nothing in Guelph I'll host another Ubuntu Hour in Waterloo...
[21:27] <BobJonkman> ...and I see I was supposed to do some stuff: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings/2013/2013-05-30#line-49
[21:27]  * BobJonkman will get on that as soon as he returns to keyboard.


[12:24] <Akimb> Hey. 18.10 gets stuck on "Started bpfilter" while booting. Any recommendations what to try to fix this issue? Perhaps this is a known issue for 18.10?
[23:55] <guiverc> i have a lubuntu 18.04.1 (x86) recent install that I'm trying to `do-release-upgrade -d` to 18.10 but it reports "Upgrades to the development release are only available from the latest supported ver" -- how can i explore what the issue is?   (it had 4.18 kernel team ppa added, but same err on 4.15; and an ex-fedora /home)


[12:06] <cbx33> nn everyone
[12:29] <zakame> hi all
[02:07] <juliux> cbx33, morning
[02:08] <juliux> cbx33, you send the e-mail about the edubuntu council to me not to the list
[02:08] <jsgotangco> heh
[02:08] <juliux> ogra, now you know why we need a replayto in the headers
[02:09] <ogra> nope
[02:09] <ogra> only over my dead corpse
[02:09] <jsgotangco> lol
[02:09] <juliux> then it should add a replayto
[02:09] <ogra> same thing
[02:09] <ogra> not RFC compilant
[02:10] <jsgotangco> even mailman doesn't recommend such
[02:10] <ogra> jsgotangco, can you give me the checkout url for about edubuntu again ?
[02:10] <jsgotangco> ogra: can you review first this
[02:10] <jsgotangco> ogra: http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/about-edubuntu/C/index.html
[02:10] <jsgotangco> that's the html output
[02:10] <ogra> oki
[02:11] <ogra> hmm, thats great, but isnt it a bit longish ?
[02:11] <jsgotangco> no that's not for our firefox page
[02:12] <ogra> ah, k
[02:12] <jsgotangco> that's for our yelp
[02:13] <ogra> many patches were merged from debian should be its own bulletpoint
[02:14] <jsgotangco> meh
[02:15] <ogra> hmm, and i think i should give you a paragraph about "the classroom server"
[02:15] <ogra> (to put below "the difference" and "the desktop")
[02:16] <ogra> the rest is very good :) i'm impressed !"
[02:16] <ogra> -"
[02:16] <jsgotangco> do you want to add those from the old release?
[02:17] <ogra> i'd like a short introduction in ltsp (what is it, what are its advantages) and a short introduction into schooltool
[02:17] <ogra> i'll send you something this evening
[02:17] <jsgotangco> ok i'll incorporate my old stuff
[02:17] <jsgotangco> ahh okay
[02:18] <ogra> (have to go to some may 1st activities here)
[02:18] <Bluekuja> hi ogra, hi jsgotangco
[02:18] <jsgotangco> hi
[02:18] <ogra> hey
[02:18] <jsgotangco> i'll upload the firefox page tonight
[02:18] <ogra> thanks
[02:18] <Bluekuja> oliver have you seen the edubuntu advocacy manifesto?
[02:18] <ogra> jsgotangco, does it have a link to the local schooltool install ?
[02:18] <ogra> http://localhost:7080 i think
[02:18] <jsgotangco> no can you give me the default link?
[02:19] <jsgotangco> but i'll have to put a disclaier it'll only work on ltsp installs
[02:19] <ogra> (i dont have the machine with the edubuntu install with me (i'm 400km away from my office, its not moved to rthe new house yet))
[02:19] <ogra> yep
[02:20] <ogra> it's only in the default (classroom server) instrall
[02:20] <jsgotangco> ok i'll wait for your email too
[02:20] <jsgotangco> i
[02:20] <jsgotangco> i'll add some more
[02:20] <Bluekuja> ogra: check this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy
[02:21] <Bluekuja> it's a great work that me and cbx33 are developing
[02:23] <ogra> yep
[02:23] <Bluekuja> what do you think  about it? and do you suggest something more?
[02:24] <ogra> its great, sorry, but i have to get ready to leave now, i bookmarked it and will read it later ...
[02:24] <Bluekuja> okie :)
[02:24] <Bluekuja> oliver see you later then
[02:24] <ogra> (would be cool if we could ship the scribus pages at the bottom as example content, sadly the CD space doesnt permit that)
[02:25] <Bluekuja> yep
[02:25] <Bluekuja> it would be really nice
[02:25] <ogra> we should probably have a wikipage with such content we can point to from the about doc or from the default homepage
[02:25] <jsgotangco> sure
[02:25] <Bluekuja> yep exactly
[02:26] <Bluekuja> ogra: will you be available tomorrow for the cc meeting?
[02:26] <ogra> sure
[02:26] <Bluekuja> okie great ;)
[02:26] <ogra> but we'll also hold our own EC meeting on wednesday
[02:27] <cbx33> juliux, sorry just hit reply
[02:27] <juliux> cbx33, no problem, i also send my e-mail not to the list
[02:28] <cbx33> ogra, so EC meeting is wednesday?
[02:28] <ogra> use the "reply to list" function of your mailprogram
[02:28] <cbx33> I did it in haste
[02:28] <Bluekuja> hi pete
[02:28] <cbx33> hi Bluekuja
[02:28] <Bluekuja> ;)
[02:28] <ogra> cbx33, we said the first meeting in every month should be a EC meeting
[02:28] <juliux> hm i have no reply to list button in evolution
[02:28] <cbx33> ahhh nice
[02:28] <ogra> juliux, ctrl-L
[02:28] <Bluekuja> so the wednesday one will be an ec meeting
[02:28] <Bluekuja> the time
[02:29] <ogra> (dunno where in the menu it is, i never used it from there)
[02:29] <juliux> ogra, thxs
[02:29] <Bluekuja> ogra: the time is confirmed for 12:00 UCT ?
[02:29] <cbx33> that's good for me :D
[02:29] <Bluekuja> i was looking in fridge ecents
[02:29] <Bluekuja> *events
[02:29] <cbx33> right I gotta dash out
[02:30] <cbx33> be back later on
[02:30] <Bluekuja> okie
[02:30] <Bluekuja> ciao pete
[02:30] <cbx33> Bluekuja, we'll have a chat about the doc a little later if you'll be here
[02:30] <ogra> Bluekuja, we wanted to move it to the evening (20:00 UTC) but there was no confirmation from JaneW yet, so i fear we'll have to stick with 12:00 UTC for thie time
[02:30] <cbx33> ogra, you gonnabe around later?
[02:30] <Bluekuja> ok ogra great
[02:30] <ogra> s/thie/this/
[02:30] <Bluekuja> i'll be there
[02:30] <cbx33> ogra, our guinea pig didn;t make it :(
[02:31] <ogra> cbx33, later in the evening, yes
[02:31] <ogra> OH no :(
[02:31] <cbx33> yeh, infected womb
[02:31] <cbx33> she just never got over the operation
[02:31] <cbx33> bbl
[02:31] <ogra> my condolence :/
[02:31] <ogra> also to your wife
[02:32] <Bluekuja> i have to go
[02:32] <Bluekuja> cya to all
[02:32] <Bluekuja> ill be available later
[02:32] <Bluekuja> for the doc
[02:32] <Bluekuja> ;)
[02:38] <cbx33> ogra, had a great idea
[02:38] <cbx33> what if I could do the scribus pages in html format
[02:38] <cbx33> :p
[02:39] <cbx33> that be more useful to you?
[02:41] <jsgotangco> how would it look if you print it?
[02:41] <lucasvo> cbx33: maybe pdf/ps would be better for printing
[02:41] <jsgotangco> (compared to a more predictive pdf output)
[02:53] <cbx33> well ogra was talking about inc;usion into th cd
[02:54] <cbx33> and howc scribus would be too big
[02:54] <cbx33> so i offered an alternative
[02:54] <cbx33> ;p
[02:54] <cbx33> bbl
[03:18] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: ping?
[04:12] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: pong
[04:12] <jsgotangco> hmm i fixed it already nevermind :)
[04:21] <zakame> hi all! =)
[04:22] <pygi> hi zakame
[04:23] <zakame> hi pygi!
[04:23] <highvoltage> hi zakame
[04:23] <zakame> hello highvoltage! :D
[04:23] <highvoltage> :)
[04:24] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: i was about to ask about the plone css for proto, but i managed to make my own
[04:25] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: plone!?
[04:25] <pygi> o highvoltage is alive =P
[04:26] <highvoltage> pygi: barely
[04:26] <jsgotangco> well i thought it came from plone (most of the sites used the plone css)
[04:27] <zakame> ogra: around? =)
[04:27] <pygi> highvoltage: what happened this time? =P
[04:28] <highvoltage> pygi: hehe. just came from gym and discovered how unfit i've become the past few weeks :)
[04:28] <jsgotangco> bah
[04:28] <jsgotangco> thats one thing i should do too
[04:29] <jsgotangco> actually there's a gym just in front of my house
[04:29] <pygi> highvoltage: bah =P you should be writing chapters
[04:29] <zakame> lol
[04:29] <highvoltage> pygi: you have no idea!
[04:29] <jsgotangco> its not even a fitness gym
[04:29] <jsgotangco> but a boxing gym
[04:29] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:29] <pygi> highvoltage: no worries
[04:29] <highvoltage> pygi: i have a chapter that has to be in for the tuxlab cookbook too, tomorrow is first review
[04:30] <highvoltage> pygi: i haven't even touched that today, and i'm only about half way through
[04:30] <jsgotangco> the one in proto is pretty good too for starters
[04:30] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: boxing sounds like more fun than other excercise
[04:30] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: yeah, and i promised ogra too that that would be finished by the end of this weekend :)
[04:31] <highvoltage> (sorry if that sentence didn't make sense)
[04:39] <pygi> highvoltage: well, will you be able to provide all the chapters by May,10th?
[04:40] <highvoltage> pygi: i feel confident that i can.
[04:40] <pygi> highvoltage: nice
[04:41] <highvoltage>
[04:42] <jsgotangco> what characters are those?
[04:42] <jsgotangco> alt gr + ?
[04:42] <pygi> code table 4k and something
[04:43] <pygi> there are like 10 of them
[04:43] <pygi> there is*
[05:03] <linuxboy> hi
[05:03] <linuxboy> I'm trying out LTSP in dapper
[05:03] <Yagisan> that character looks like the japanese katakana for "shi"
[05:03] <linuxboy> apparently audio should work on the clients PC
[05:03] <linuxboy> but it doesn't
[05:03] <linuxboy> any idea why?
[05:03] <Petaris> linuxboy: nasd or esd running?
[05:04] <pygi> Yagisan: hehe
[05:04] <Petaris> client audio turned on and configured in lts.conf
[05:04] <linuxboy> Petaris: nope. Must i? and howto?
[05:04] <linuxboy> Petaris: where is lts.conf?
[05:05] <Petaris> linuxboy: yoiu only need to have one of those running if you want audio
[05:05] <Petaris> slocate lts.conf
[05:05] <linuxboy> Petaris: in the chroot?
[05:05] <Petaris> the lts.conf is
[05:05] <linuxboy> adrian@turtle:/opt/ltsp/i386$ slocate lts.conf
[05:05] <linuxboy> /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/lts.conf
[05:05] <linuxboy> adrian@turtle:/opt/ltsp/i386$
[05:05] <Petaris> hrm
[05:06] <Petaris> not sure why its in examples
[05:06] <Petaris> but thats the file
[05:06] <pygi> well, example configuration?
[05:06] <linuxboy> because there is obviously an example file :P where must I put it?
[05:06] <Petaris> I don't recall
[05:07] <Petaris> and my server isn't back running yet
[05:07] <linuxboy> is there a howto?
[05:07] <pygi> linuxboy: not yet I am afraid :-/
[05:08] <linuxboy> pygi: can you help me?
[05:09] <linuxboy> this ltsp seems very hacked into ubuntu
[05:10] <pygi> nah, it's just new
[05:10] <pygi> and it doesn't have docs
[05:10] <pygi> it will have soon tho
[05:10] <linuxboy> new?
[05:10] <linuxboy> its been in there for 2 releases
[05:10] <pygi> this particular one wasn't :-P
[05:11] <linuxboy> its upgraded
[05:11] <linuxboy> its the same thing but newer
[05:11] <pygi> ok, those two things just can't go together =P
[05:11] <linuxboy> what two thing?
[05:11] <pygi> same thing = newer thing
[05:11] <pygi> nah :-/
[05:12] <linuxboy> how do I turn client audio on?
[05:12] <linuxboy> what parameters?
[05:17] <highvoltage> linuxboy: in lts.conf, you need to add a [default]  section, and under that you need to add SOUND=True
[05:18] <highvoltage> linuxboy: btw, this is only the second ubuntu ltsp release, and is already less hacky than any other LTSP implementation under linux.
[05:18] <linuxboy> highvoltage: you didn't say that lts.conf must be in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc
[05:18] <linuxboy> but thanks, I figured it out
[05:19] <linuxboy> oh man
[05:19] <linuxboy> you can't control sound levels
[05:19] <linuxboy> but it works
[05:20] <highvoltage> strange, i can control sound levels on mine.
[05:20] <linuxboy> I can't
[05:20] <highvoltage> linuxboy: file a bug :)
[05:20] <linuxboy> nah
[05:20] <linuxboy> I found too many ;)
[05:20] <linuxboy> I'll give it time
[05:21] <linuxboy> you got local devices to work?
[05:21] <highvoltage> nope, that's for edgy.
[05:22] <linuxboy> oh, it got Deferred, didn't see that
[05:22] <linuxboy> gah. then I can't use it at work
[05:23] <Yagisan> pygi: I know  looks like a nice smiling face, but "shi" is the japanese word for death
[05:23] <Yagisan> linuxboy: you need local devices that bad ?
[05:23] <linuxboy> Yagisan: its for an office
[05:23] <pygi> Yagisan: bah
[05:24] <linuxboy> Yagisan: I can't have tht users running to me because they can't copy music from their flash disks
[05:24] <Yagisan> linuxboy: yeah, I also use mine in an office. I mandated no bloody local devices.
[05:25] <linuxboy> so, I've installed firefox in my chroot
[05:26] <linuxboy> how do I "expose" it as a local app ?
[05:26] <Yagisan> linuxboy: I consider it a security risk at work, hence my hard attitude.
[05:26] <linuxboy> I don't
[05:27] <Yagisan> linuxboy: I deal with other peoples sensitive data. Different priorities for us then.
[05:27] <Yagisan> linuxboy: what do you mean as a local app ?
[05:27] <linuxboy> we do the same
[05:27] <linuxboy> but we keep our bussiness and office seperate
[05:28] <linuxboy> Yagisan: to run on the thin client
[05:28] <Yagisan> linuxboy: why ? do you gain a benefit that outweighs running it on the ltsp server ?
[05:29] <linuxboy> Yagisan: lets say all my thin clients are P4 2.4 with 512MB ram.
[05:29] <linuxboy> I want to run firefox and OOo on the thin client
[05:29] <linuxboy> so they don't choke up the server
[05:30] <Petaris> Is there any easy way to get xfce and its goodies installed?
[05:30] <Yagisan> I see. I don't have issues with either on my server myself. brb - need to check my kids
[05:30] <linuxboy> Petaris: apt-get install xubuntu?
[05:31] <linuxboy> Yagisan: we haven't got a thin client setup. But we want to do this type of thing. Its for a bigger project
[05:31] <Petaris> linuxboy: is xubuntu a virtual package or something?
[05:32] <linuxboy> Petaris: i think so. I've never done it
[05:32] <linuxboy> Petaris: what does it depend on?
[05:32] <highvoltage> linuxboy: you can't press a button to 'expose' it yet, as i told you this morning, that's a feature for edgy
[05:32] <highvoltage> Petaris: the xfce virtual package is xubuntu-desktop
[05:32] <linuxboy> highvoltage: what?
[05:33] <highvoltage> 17:25 < linuxboy> how do I "expose" it as a local app ?
[05:33] <linuxboy> highvoltage: i know. I'm not looking for a button
[05:33] <linuxboy> highvoltage: I'm trying to see if there is a quick 'n' easy way to hack it
[05:33] <linuxboy> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LocalAppFirefox
[05:33] <linuxboy> ^^^
[05:33] <linuxboy> there is some hack job
[05:33] <Petaris> highvoltage: cool
[05:35] <highvoltage> linuxboy: that's for the old-style ltsp though
[05:35] <linuxboy> aaah
[05:37] <highvoltage> linuxboy: there's currently two kinds of ltsp's
[05:37] <highvoltage> linuxboy: the traditional, and meukow
[05:37] <linuxboy> ok
[05:37] <highvoltage> initially, the ltsp chroot was a complete red had system.
[05:37] <highvoltage> *red hat
[05:37] <linuxboy> which is ubuntu using?
[05:37] <highvoltage> then later they wrote the entire chroot from scratch
[05:38] <highvoltage> and used what's called the ltsp build environment, which adds lots of development overhead.
[05:38] <highvoltage> ubuntu is using meukow
[05:38] <highvoltage> meukow is a move to get away from the old-style LTSP
[05:38] <highvoltage> all the distro's are slowly moving to it
[05:38] <Yagisan> meukow is a much better system
[05:38] <Petaris> What is meukow?
[05:38] <highvoltage> so meukow LTSP uses the distro's own packages, not some weird tarball or hacked together system.
[05:39] <linuxboy> makes sense
[05:39] <Petaris> hrm
[05:39] <highvoltage> meukow also uses more standard stuff, and moves away from things like ltspfs to things like dbus and friends.
[05:39] <highvoltage> Petaris: new generation ltsp
[05:39] <Petaris> ahh
[05:39] <Yagisan> linuxboy: I've been commercially running it for about 9 months. no issues unlike old-style
[05:39] <highvoltage> meukow's design also makes *installing* local apps easier. although running them in an easy and secure way isn't implemented yet.
[05:40] <linuxboy> Yagisan: ok. We are going to build a system where the chroot gets pulled out a svn repo.
[05:42] <Yagisan> linuxboy: why ? it is very easy to recreate the chroot as needed.
[05:42] <Yagisan> linuxboy: use an apt-cacher or similar system, and you don't even need to waste bandwidth re-downloading the .debs
[05:44] <linuxboy> Yagisan: don't worry. The project is bigger then just that.
[05:47] <Yagisan> linuxboy: in my personal experience, the only apps I may find a benefit in moving to local apps are long lived cpu-intensive apps, eg encoding, mass encryption/decryption
[05:48] <Yagisan> linuxboy: in anycase, if you install now, it will be a smooth upgrade to the next relase
[05:48] <linuxboy> lived cpu-intensive apps
[05:48] <linuxboy> firefox
[05:48] <linuxboy> openoffice
[05:48] <linuxboy> they both fit that
[05:48] <linuxboy> the bloated pigs
[05:48] <Yagisan> linuxboy: firefox is not a cpu-intensive app
[05:48] <linuxboy> Yagisan: you seen it lately
[05:48] <linuxboy> Yagisan: its not lightweight anymore
[05:48] <Yagisan> neither is OOo. memory intensive yes, but not cpu intensive
[05:49] <linuxboy> ok sure
[05:49] <linuxboy> but firefox is really that bad
[05:49] <linuxboy> lately is been loving my CPU
[05:49] <Yagisan> linuxboy: I think you'l find it is that flash plugin, not firefox
[05:50] <linuxboy> it is. but still... firefox doesn't seem to handle it nicely
[05:52] <Yagisan> linuxboy: my firefox (without flash), and 2 users atm is using 1.3% cpu. flash, and sun java plugins are the cpu hogs. we can't do much about flash and java - that is macromedia and sun's problem.
[05:58] <linuxboy> isn't that where gplflash (or what ever the new projects name is) will come in?
[05:58] <highvoltage> gnu gnash isn't packaged yet.
[05:59] <Yagisan> linuxboy: perhaps, I expect it will be in edgy
[05:59] <highvoltage> probably in the future, yes. (we hope :) )
[05:59] <linuxboy> highvoltage: is thats whats its called?
[05:59] <highvoltage> linuxboy: yep
[05:59] <linuxboy> I thought it was still aplha
[05:59] <highvoltage> http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
[05:59] <linuxboy> heck, if its usable, I'll use it and package it
[06:00] <highvoltage> it's pre-alpha
[06:00] <highvoltage> it's usable, and better than the free-flash player
[06:00] <linuxboy> how does it compare to the official flash player?
[06:01] <highvoltage> it's not 100% implemented yet.
[06:01] <linuxboy> *sigh* i think I'll leave it for now
[06:01] <highvoltage> non-interactive stuff is mostly Ok, but when it gets interactive, it's not fuly implemented yet.
[06:01] <highvoltage> Yagisan: hehe. PRIVOXY!
[06:02] <highvoltage> and firefox flash-add blocker :)
[06:02] <Yagisan> highvoltage: privoxy is nice, but putting the server on amd64 worked quicker ;)
[06:03] <Yagisan> highvoltage: there was a reason I wrote that 64bit server with 32bit clients patch for ltsp (which in now in dapper)
[06:04] <highvoltage> Yagisan: dapper now support full multiarch. you can even have ppc hosted on amd64 or i386. or is that your work too?
[06:05] <Yagisan> highvoltage: initial work by me, but I never got the ppc stuff done because I don't have ppc, so I believe ogra finished it off
[06:07] <Yagisan> highvoltage: I don't actually see full multiarch in the source
[06:09] <highvoltage> Yagisan: how did your multiarch work? i think ogra's one works the same no matter which arch you use. there's a wiki page too for it somewhere...
[06:15] <Yagisan> highvoltage: see the --arch i386 or --arch powerpc commands on the ltsp-build-client script. Thats my work. IIRC either ogra or mdz changed the commands to --arch xxx, while my original patch was --i386 or --powerpc
[06:16] <Yagisan> highvoltage: when qemu is in a workable state, I'll try again to add powerpc clients to amd64 or i386 servers
[06:17] <Bluekuja> hi yagisan
[06:17] <Bluekuja> hi highvoltage
[06:17] <Yagisan> G'day Bluekuja
[06:17] <Bluekuja> guys someone knows what Gnome-Partitionierungsmanager is?
[06:18] <Bluekuja> i'm checking lp bugs
[06:18] <Bluekuja> i think that he means gparted
[06:19] <Bluekuja> jon, yagisan suggestions?
[06:19] <highvoltage> hi Bluekuja
[06:19] <Bluekuja> hi jon :)
[06:19] <highvoltage> Bluekuja: i have no idea
[06:19] <Bluekuja> do you know what Gnome-Partitionierungsmanager is?
[06:19] <Bluekuja> oh okie
[06:20] <Bluekuja> ok then
[06:22] (Bluekuja/#edubuntu) yep
[06:22] (Bluekuja/#edubuntu) its german
[06:22] (Bluekuja/#edubuntu) so its for  sure gparted
[06:23] (Yagisan/#edubuntu) Bluekuja: probably, I only speak English, and a bit of .
[06:23] (Bluekuja/#edubuntu) heehhe
[06:24] <Bluekuja> when i will find some strange japanase words i'll ask to you
[06:24] <Bluekuja> ^^
[06:24] <Yagisan> Bluekuja: my total german is "gutten tag" which I think is hello
[06:25] <Bluekuja> lol
[06:25] <Yagisan> Bluekuja: I hope I'll understand them then. My Japanese is awful
[06:25] <Bluekuja> ok, i'll teach you some italian
[06:25] <Bluekuja> so you will speak 3 languages
[06:25] <Bluekuja> ^^
[06:28] <Yagisan> Bluekuja: cool. I picked up a bit of italian watching "Inspector Montelbano" on SBS.  Actually, that was rather good. IIRC you answer the phone with "pronto"
[06:28] <Bluekuja> ahha
[06:28] <Bluekuja> really nice man
[06:28] <highvoltage> pronto here means "i want it done yesterday!"
 Preferisco l'Inghlese
[06:30] <Bluekuja> haha
[06:30] <Bluekuja> nice
[06:31] <lucasvo> oh, it should say l'Italiano
[06:31] <Bluekuja> yep
[06:31] <Bluekuja> and if i ask you di dove sei?
[06:31] <Bluekuja> cosa risponderesti?
[06:31] <lucasvo> Sono di Zurigo, e tu?
[06:31] <lucasvo> or e Lei?
[06:32] <Bluekuja> Udine, conosci?
[06:32] <lucasvo> No, non conosco, e in Italia? Nord o Sud?
[06:33] <Bluekuja> Nord-est vicino a venezia^^
[06:34] <lucasvo> Nel Lombardia?
[06:35] <Bluekuja> no^^ ,friul-venezia-giulia
[06:35] <Bluekuja> *friuli
[06:35] <Bluekuja> venezia  in veneto
[06:35] <lucasvo> non lo conosco
[06:35] <Bluekuja> spero tu conosca  venezia no?
[06:35] <lucasvo> si lo conosco
[06:35] <Bluekuja> okie bene direi
[06:36] <Bluekuja> remember to put si la conosco
[06:36] <Bluekuja> not si lo conosco
[06:36] <Bluekuja> ;)
[06:36] <Yagisan> finally, the kids are asleep. Time to go spend some time with the woman that vaguely looks like my wife
[06:37] <Bluekuja> lol
[06:37] <lucasvo> VeneziA, not VeneziO
[06:37] <Bluekuja> good evening then
[06:37] <highvoltage> Yagisan: won't your wife be angry if you spend time with the one that almost looks like her?
[06:37] <Yagisan> Bluekuja: evening ? it's almost 3am
[06:37] <Bluekuja> yep lucasvo
[06:37] <Bluekuja> lol
[06:37] <Bluekuja> i was talking in italian time
[06:37] <Bluekuja> hehehe
[06:38] <lucasvo> italian time?
[06:38] <Bluekuja> yep
[06:38] <lucasvo> aha, yeah, GMT+2
[06:38] <Bluekuja> GMT+1
[06:38] <Bluekuja> its gmt+1
[06:38] <lucasvo> well we have daylight savings
[06:38] <Yagisan> highvoltage: only if she remembers what I look like
[06:38] <lucasvo> gmt also has daylight savings?
[06:39] <lucasvo> or is it UTC without daylightsavings?
[06:39] <Bluekuja> mmm
[06:40] <Bluekuja> yes also in gmt there are
[06:40] <lucasvo> ok
[06:40] <lucasvo> so it's gmt+1
[06:40] <Bluekuja> yep
[06:41] <Bluekuja> its 18:40 here
[06:41] <Bluekuja> same for highvoltage
[06:42] <Bluekuja> gmt+2 is for places like Athens,Bucarest, Cairo etc
[06:43] <linuxboy> and south africa
[06:44] <linuxboy> well, thats where highvoltage is
[06:44] <Bluekuja> yep
[06:45] <Bluekuja> linuxboy: is the second time that i see you here, are you involved in some projects?
[06:46] <linuxboy> Bluekuja: I'm your average linux guy
[06:46] <linuxboy> Bluekuja: I use ubuntu and I work at an ISP
[06:46] <Bluekuja> really nice
[06:46] <linuxboy> Bluekuja: you?
[06:47] <Bluekuja> https://launchpad.net/people/bluekuja
[06:47] <linuxboy> Bluekuja: I assume you're an ltsp guy?
[06:48] <Bluekuja> linuxboy: just check that page :)
[06:49] <linuxboy> Bluekuja: just did.
[06:49] <Bluekuja> ;)
[06:52] <Bluekuja> linuxboy, you're involved in some ubuntu projects?
[06:53] <linuxboy> nope
[06:53] <Bluekuja> oh okie
[06:55] <linuxboy> i should be
[06:55] <linuxboy> but I do a little of this and a little of that
[06:55] <Bluekuja> every help is appreciated
[06:55] <Bluekuja> :)
[06:57] <Bluekuja> so if you have in a day only 10 minutes free and you work for ubuntu in that time,it's a great thing
[06:58] <Bluekuja> everyone do how much he can
[06:59] <linuxboy> yeah
[06:59] <linuxboy> my current intrest is www.s1mp3.org
[06:59] <Bluekuja> nice
[06:59] <Bluekuja> :)
[07:00] <Bluekuja> brb 10 min
[07:10] <LaserJock> cbx33: you around?
[07:13] <cbx33> yup
[07:14] <cbx33> LaserJock, ping :p
[07:15] <LaserJock> cbx33: I've got a suggestion for EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy
[07:15] <cbx33> ok want to move to
[07:15] <cbx33> #edubuntu-doc
[07:15] <LaserJock> oh, sure
[07:37] <Petaris> hrm
[07:37] <Petaris> there is no gtypist package
[07:38] <LaserJock> Petaris: it is in the Universe repo
[07:39] <Petaris> ahh
[07:39] <Petaris> cool
[07:39] <Petaris> It works great for teaching typing
[07:41] <Petaris> LaserJock: What is the Univers repositories source address?
[07:41] <LaserJock> Petaris: what do you mean exactly?
[07:41] <Petaris> oh never mind
[07:42] <Petaris> there in there just commented out
[07:42] <Petaris> is it dapper-security universe or just dapper universe?
[07:44] <Petaris> ok, dapper universe I think
[07:46] <LaserJock> I think there is a dapper-security for universe but that won't be usefull until dapper has been released
[07:55] <Petaris> ok
[07:55] <Petaris> I found it
[08:38] <cbx33> ogra, ping
[08:38] <cbx33> filed new bug
[08:38] <cbx33> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdeedu/+bug/42434
[08:54] <cbx33> do specifications have to be for software, could they be for another resource that is needed for ubutnu?
[08:56] <LaserJock> cbx33: they can be for non-software suff
[08:56] <LaserJock> s/suff/stuff/
[08:57] <cbx33> LaserJock, thankls
[09:04] <Petaris> what do I need to do to get ltsp working after install?
[09:05] <Petaris> ie net setup, services to start
[09:06] <cbx33> Petaris, do you have an existing DHCP server on your network?
[09:07] <Petaris> cbx: yes but the terminals won't be able to see it
[09:07] <Petaris> I'm using a two nic setup
[09:08] <Petaris> eth1 goes to the main network, eth0 goes to the gbit switches the clients will be on
[09:09] <Petaris> er, cbx33: that was meant for you
[09:14] <Petaris> cbx33: Is there a doc that tells what all needs to be done to get ltsp working after installation?
[09:14] <cbx33> um...
[09:15] <cbx33> as far as I know, there isn;t much to do...
[09:15] <cbx33> but I run a 1 nic setup
[09:15] <Petaris> ahh
[09:15] <cbx33> Petaris, you have just highlighted there needs to be more docs for this
[09:15] <Petaris> cbx33: Somehow I have a hard time beliving I'm the first
[09:15] <cbx33> indeed
[09:16] <Petaris> What did you do in your dhcpd.conf file?
[09:18] <cbx33> I didn't
[09:18] <cbx33> :p
[09:18] <cbx33> I have a windows DHCP server
[09:18] <cbx33> I wrtoe the docs for getting it to work with that :p
[09:18] <cbx33> but there are some docs on the wiki
[09:18] <cbx33> search for LTSP
[09:18] <Petaris> ok, I'l take a look
[09:19] <Petaris> Are you authenticating to AD by any chance?
[09:19] <cbx33> not yet
[09:19] <cbx33> but I'm also working on those docs
[09:20] <cbx33> Petaris, are you running on a windows network
[09:20] <cbx33> I have also put in the docs about runnign a multiboot system
[09:20] <cbx33> so you can choose to use the LTSP or run the windows one off the HDD
[09:21] <Petaris> cbx33: I am currently running a win2k network, I would be interested in having AD do the auth so I don't have to recreate users
[09:22] <Petaris> I am planning to switch to Novell OES in the near future
[09:23] <cbx33> ah
[09:23] <cbx33> Petaris, I'm looking to do the same thing very soon
[09:24] <cbx33> I think it's essential if edubuntu is oing to take off
[09:24] <lucasvo> I think it is planned for edgy or edgy+1
[09:24] <Petaris> hrm
[09:24] <Petaris> my smb share wont mount
[09:26] <cbx33> lucasvo, really?
[09:26] <cbx33> excelent
[09:27] <cbx33> I created a spec for it
[09:27] <lucasvo> cbx33: well in general for ubuntu
[09:27] <lucasvo> yes
[09:27] <lucasvo> cbx33: I think there already is one
[09:27] <lucasvo> but don't quote me on that
[09:27] <Petaris> /AVALON/E-lab_share /serv/elem smbfs   nosuid,nodev,noexec,credentials=/etc/samba/auth.smb,uid=username,gid=username,fmask=666,dmask=777 0 0
[09:28] <Petaris> it cut off the first / but does anyone see a problem with that?
[09:29] <Petaris> the /etc/samba/auth.smb files exists and contains the correct info
[10:06] <Petaris> later all
[10:07] <Yagisan> !seen hedgemage
[10:07] <ubotu> hedgemage <i=HedgeMag@freenode/staff/HedgeMage> was last seen on IRC in channel #ubuntu, 11h 58m 54s ago, saying: 'it'll be up soon, just be patient :)'.
[10:29] <pygi> ogra: ping
[11:27] <cbx33> ogra, found another few bugs in the live cd
[11:28] <pygi> cbx33: I'll call you the bug tracker if you don't oppose
[11:30] <cbx33> no
[11:30] <cbx33> not at all
[11:31] <cbx33> :p
[11:31] <pygi> cbx33: ok
[11:31] <pygi> on the other hand, I don't think ogra is here right now
[11:31] <cbx33> no doesn't seem that way
[11:31] <pygi> whats the bug this time?
[11:32] <cbx33> um two
[11:32] <cbx33> one with ubiquity
[11:32] <cbx33> and the other with khangman
[11:32] <pygi> gah :-/
[11:32] <pygi> serious ones?
[11:32] <cbx33> um...
[11:32] <cbx33> khangman won;t run at all
[11:33] <cbx33> on this laptop
[11:33] <cbx33> not sure y
[11:33] <pygi> hm, and whats wrong with ubiquity?
[11:33] <cbx33> when you go to set time and then click next it crashes
[11:34] <pygi> yes, I know about that one :-/
[11:34] <pygi> also, sometimes it happens with partitioning as well (next --> crash)
[11:34] <cbx33> yes
[11:34] <cbx33> i couldnt find a bug report so i refiled one
[11:41] <pygi> cbx33: nice, number?
[11:42] <cbx33> hang onI'll get them
[11:43] <cbx33> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdeedu/+bug/42434
[11:43] <cbx33> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/42447
[11:44] <pygi> cbx33: I'll take a look now
[11:45] <cbx33> pygi, ok
[11:46] <pygi> I just confirmed bug No.2
[11:46] <cbx33> thanks
[11:46] <pygi> the No.1 seems odd :-/
[11:46] <cbx33> yes very
[11:46] <cbx33> havn't had time to investigate yet
[11:47] <cbx33> but it definitely doesn't work
[11:48] <pygi> cbx33: heh :-/
[11:48] <pygi> I'll try to look into it more tommorow
[11:48] <pygi> which is in like 12 minutes =P
[11:48] <cbx33> heheh
[11:48] <cbx33> 1hr 12 mins here
[11:49] <pygi>
[11:50] <pygi> we should really get rid of all that flies =P
[11:50] <cbx33> heheh
[11:51] <pygi> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/42418
[11:51] <pygi> so much bugs :-/


[06:57] <ara> good morning all!
[09:39] <ara> hey sbeattie!! what time is it for you????
[09:42] <sbeattie> hey ara. It's past my bedtime, that's what time it is. :-)
[09:42] <ara> sbeattie, indeed! go to bed!
[10:29] <davmor2> morning all
[10:57] <ara> morning davmor2
[10:58] <davmor2> how's things going ara
[10:58] <ara> davmor2, good! sunny! finally!
[10:58] <davmor2> that'll be because it's miserable here :)
[14:55] <czajkowski> anyone else having issue on lucid when they launch the gwibber social  accounts menu ? bug 533375
[14:55] <ubot4> czajkowski: Bug 533375 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/533375 is private
[16:31] <gnuovo> Hello
[16:31] <gnuovo> Someone speak italian?
[16:32] <charlie-tca> !it
[16:32] <ubot4> Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (click col tasto destro sul nome del canale per entrare)
[17:38] <gnuovo> Ok, i'm trying to do a test on a notebook. PS: sorry for my english.
[17:44] <charlie-tca> So, I put the desktop cd in the drive, allow it to boot without touching the keyboard. I now have a install screen. I can install ubuntu 10.04 or I can try ubuntu 10.04.
[17:44] <charlie-tca> I can not restart my system, quit, cancel, etc. And, it me 8 MINUTES to get here!
[17:44] <charlie-tca> bug?
[17:48] <ara> charlie-tca, what is it the first screen you see when booting?
[17:48] <charlie-tca> I forgot to look
[17:49] <charlie-tca> Now you want me to attempt to get out of this screen I am locked into, huh?
[17:49] <charlie-tca> I'll do it again after I install. I have to run the video tests too
[17:50] <charlie-tca> I couldn't believe it booted to something I can't even cancel
[17:51] <charlie-tca> and that it takes me 8 minutes to get there
[17:51]  * charlie-tca sees a good thing, though. My monitor did not turn off today, first time in weeks


[01:32] <blahdeblah> sarnold: The only Freedom units are Metric units.  Fight me.  And him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHeo62B0d0E (make sure you listen to the part leading up to about 6:00)
[01:32] <blahdeblah> See also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7x-RGfd0Yk
[01:33] <sarnold> blahdeblah: haha I love this guy
[01:33] <sarnold> omg he looks so young
[01:33] <sarnold> I guess we all did in 2013...
[01:34] <blahdeblah> Or at least, youngER
[01:34] <sarnold> heh, yeah
[01:34] <sarnold> thanks blahdeblah :)


[14:48] <RikMills> Eickmeyer: would you object if the discover flatpak backend was installed by default?
[14:48] <RikMills> i.e. a recommends of discover
[14:48] <RikMills> if you object, I can do it in kubuntu meta instead
[15:13] <Eickmeyer> RikMills: Let's keep it in the Kubuntu meta for now. I'd have to think about it.
[15:14] <RikMills> ok, not a problem
[15:15] <RikMills> looks like kde are not hurrying to fix the kdesu thing, so I will start packaging a fix our side to put to the security team
[15:18] <Eickmeyer> RikMills: Sounds like a good idea. I'm a little annoyed that KDE isn't taking it seriously. Security (and known exploits) should be a #1 priority. teward would tell you all about that.
[17:20] <teward> *was pinged, yawns, then goes back to coffee consumption*


[18:02] <kees> jdstrand, mdeslaur: ready for a quick meeting?
[18:02] <jdstrand> o/
[18:04] <mdeslaur> yep!
[18:05] <kees> okay
[18:06] <kees> let's see, I'm on triage this week
[18:06] <kees> and I'll try to snag a few low-hanging updates, but I've not checked the list yet.
[18:07] <kees> I made progress on testing the symlink protection kernel patch last week
[18:07] <kees> that's it from me.  jdstrand, you're up!
[18:07] <jdstrand> this is the symlink in a sticky dir where you are not the owner patch?
[18:08] <jdstrand> kees: ^
[18:09] <kees> yeah
[18:09] <jdstrand> cool
[18:09] <kees> http://people.canonical.com/~kees/0001-symlink-protection-logic.patch
[18:09] <jdstrand> so I am on community work this week
[18:09] <kees> ignore the changelog; that was just a place-holder
[18:10] <jdstrand> a few moin CVEs crept in last week, so I plan to work on it
[18:10] <jdstrand> I plan to follow-up with cemc on the clamav/hardy update to get that out this week
[18:10] <jdstrand> (he is doing testing since it is in universe)
[18:11] <jdstrand> if I have time, I'll try to get to firefox/apparmor refactoring, which I didn't get to last week
[18:11] <jdstrand> that is it from me
[18:11] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: you're up
[18:11] <mdeslaur> I'm in the happy place this week
[18:12] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: do you feel happy?
[18:12] <mdeslaur> I plan on looking over the new gnome-screensaver CVEs and have an embargoed update to test
[18:12] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: sometimes :)
[18:12] <jjohansen> and that is a happy place?
[18:13] <mdeslaur> heh
[18:13] <mdeslaur> I will also go down the list
[18:13] <mdeslaur> so, I have a couple of other things I want to talk about
[18:13]  * jdstrand had one too
[18:13] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: you go first
[18:13] <jdstrand> k
[18:14] <jdstrand> kees: I didn't follow the TB meeting too closely-- where do we stand on representatives from the various teams attending our meetings and generally being aware of security issues in their packages?
[18:15] <kees> jdstrand: I haven't sent any email yet; ran out of time on friday.  I want to make a general proposal, and we'll see how that flies.
[18:15] <jdstrand> cool
[18:16] <kees> basically, TB wants to see a proposal, have it discussed in email, language adjusted, etc.
[18:16]  * jdstrand nods
[18:16] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: that's it from me
[18:17] <mdeslaur> okay, so cr3 sent us the review request
[18:17] <mdeslaur> I'll take a look, and kees, will you take a look also?
[18:18] <mdeslaur> kees: you're the man with the insecure code detector built in :)
[18:18] <kees> yup, totally.  he was asking about how to manage some fifo work.
[18:19] <mdeslaur> ok, second thing is webkit...there's a zillion CVEs in it, and I wanted to start to look at them again, but then remembered that in the firefox backporting work, a newer webkit will probably get pushed to the stable releases
[18:19] <kees> err, totally help with audit; not sure I've got that detector built-in.  ;)
[18:19] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: oh? I didn't realize that was part of it. is it getting a microrelease exception?
[18:19] <kees> mdeslaur: correct; though it doesn't change KDE's use of it.
[18:20] <kees> wait, I'm suddenly confused
[18:20] <kees> firefox -> webkit?
[18:20] <mdeslaur> okay, let me explain
[18:20] <jdstrand> kees: no, but stuff in stable releases has to be migrated to webkit to get rid of xulrunner, iiuc
[18:20] <mdeslaur> in order to get rid of xulrunner, a bunch of applications in previous stable releases will get updated to versions that support webkit
[18:21] <mdeslaur> so, a recent webkit will probably get introduced to stable releases
[18:21] <mdeslaur> BUT, that's probably a one-time only thing
[18:21] <kees> ah, fun.
[18:21] <mdeslaur> what's not so good, is now webkit will probably need to be supported in hardy where it wasn't before
[18:22] <mdeslaur> I think we should call a meeting with ccheney and discuss all of this
[18:22] <kees> is webkit micro-release sane?
[18:22] <mdeslaur> kees: and yes, it won't fix the embedded webkit in kde and qt4
[18:23] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: it sounds like hardy should get whatever webkit is in lucid then-- that doesn't sound too bad from a support perspective
[18:23] <jdstrand> (ie, it doesn't add significant work for us)
[18:23] <mdeslaur> yeah, it will simplify things for the time being, as all our releases will probably have the same webkit version
[18:23] <kees> jdstrand: yeah, true
[18:24] <mdeslaur> the problem with webkit, is there are _no_ releases...it's a repository
[18:24] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: so your question is really-- should you fix webkit now, or wait
[18:24] <kees> wait, what?  no releases?
[18:24]  * kees holds his face
[18:24] <mdeslaur> kees: webkit doesn't have any releases AFAIK
[18:25] <mdeslaur> so, I don't know how to add a microrelease exception for that
[18:25] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: I thought they had some concept of api (or was it abi?) though? doesn't that imply releases?
[18:25] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: yeah, I think they went from 1.0 to 1.1 at some point
[18:25]  * jdstrand wonders why all the web stuff has to be so complicated
[18:25] <mdeslaur> let me investigate further
[18:26] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: to answer what I think your question was regarding updating webkit-- I think we need more info from ccheney
[18:26] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: yes, I propose we schedule a meeting with him to see what he expects to happen
[18:26] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: if it is going to be relatively soon, maybe we can get away with fixing the most serious security issues and wait
[18:27] <jdstrand> for the transition
[18:27] <kees> I think keeping lucid and hardy in sync wrt webkit is a really good idea, if we end up having a supported webkit in hardy, though.
[18:27] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: that's what we would need to figure out
[18:27]  * jdstrand nods
[18:28] <jdstrand> maybe ccheney is available now...
[18:28]  * jdstrand goes to look
[18:29] <mdeslaur> so, webkitgtk has a "stable" branch: http://gitorious.org/webkitgtk/stable
[18:29] <mdeslaur> but, we're way past it in lucid :P
[18:29] <jdstrand> hmmm
[18:32] <jdstrand> I asked for ccheney to join us (in #ubuntu-devel)
[18:32] <jdstrand> he's not responded yet, so maybe wait a few more minutes?
[18:32] <mdeslaur> We _need_ to meet with the webkitgtk people and try and discuss webkit security
[18:35] <ccheney> hello
[18:35] <jdstrand> hey ccheney :)
[18:35] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: fire away
[18:35] <mdeslaur> ccheney: rat-tat-tat-tat
[18:35] <mdeslaur> ccheney: hi!
[18:36] <mdeslaur> ccheney: we are discussing the large number of open CVEs that we have in webkit in our stable releases
[18:36] <ccheney> hi
[18:36] <mdeslaur> ccheney: and, I know you're doing some work for the firefox backporting stuff
[18:36] <ccheney> yea
[18:36] <mdeslaur> ccheney: what's the plan regarding webkit? are you backporting a current webkit to our older stable releases?
[18:37] <ccheney> i am backporting the webkit from karmic to hardy
[18:37] <ccheney> not sure about any other plans other than that, asac probably knows more about the details of the rest of the plan
[18:38] <mdeslaur> ccheney: so, since intrepid will be eol in a month, you're not doing anything there, right?
[18:38] <ccheney> webkit is being backported primarily to allow backporting of epiphany-browser using webkit to hardy so we can drop its xulrunner dep
[18:38] <ccheney> afaik i am not working on intrepid :)
[18:38] <mdeslaur> ccheney: backporting webkit to hardy means you're updating the relevant libs also? like libsoup?
[18:39] <ccheney> mdeslaur: yea its a fairly big project, currently we are modifying libsoup to include the glib/gtk changes required
[18:39] <ccheney> mdeslaur: also requires libproxy which didn't exist in hardy, etc
[18:40] <mdeslaur> oh! so you're not updating the libsoup version, you're backporting the required stuff to the libsoup that is already in hardy?
[18:40] <mdeslaur> ccheney: do you have a repo somewhere that has the work in progress in it?
[18:40] <ccheney> not at the moment it keeps changing so much that putting it in a repo would cause version numbers to rapidly increase
[18:41] <ccheney> i've stuck snapshots of the packages at people.canonical.com/~ccheney
[18:41] <ccheney> though they are a little out of date i think
[18:42] <jdstrand> ccheney: do you have a bllpark idea of when the new webkit will hit hardy?
[18:42] <ccheney> probably within a few weeks
[18:42] <ccheney> i'm now working on epiphany itself so hopefully sooner than that, but at least within a few weeks timeframe at most
[18:43] <jdstrand> ccheney: do you know if the webkit in lucid is going to stay 1.1.21?
[18:43] <ccheney> no idea
[18:44] <ccheney> the extent of what i know is that i am responsible for getting epiphany from karmic backported to hardy including all deps, and the info on the blueprint for the xulrunner security stuff
[18:44] <kees> ccheney: we were thinking it might make sense to have the lucid webkit be the version in hardy (so it's easier to track fixes across both releases)
[18:44] <jdstrand> ccheney: I ask because since the webkit in hardy is in universe, pulling a webkit into main on hardy will require (not insignificant) resources for our team for the hardy release. ideally, lucid and hardy would have the same version
[18:44] <mdeslaur> ccheney: so, normally karmic's webkit needs libsoup 2.27.91, and we have 2.4 in hardy...you've backported all the relevant code to libsoup2.4?
[18:44] <ccheney> mdeslaur: yea
[18:45] <mdeslaur> kees, jdstrand: well, the webkit in karmic is the stable branch of webkit...it may be better than lucid's
[18:45] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: I see it as <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:45] <ccheney> lucid is still a moving target which was why i was told to backport karmic's i assume :)
[18:45] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: is 1.1 considered stable?
[18:45] <jdstrand> ccheney: sure
[18:45] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: 1.1.15 is the stable branch: http://gitorious.org/webkitgtk/stable
[18:46] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: although, I don't know for how long...
[18:46] <jdstrand> right, I see that now...
[18:46] <mdeslaur> it kind of looks dead
[18:46] <jdstrand> yeah, there has been, oh I don't know, 1 or 2 CVEs since last november
[18:47] <mdeslaur> hehe
[18:47] <ccheney> luckily hardy only needs support for one more year :)
[18:47] <mdeslaur> ccheney: so, are you doing anything for jaunty, or is that already okay?
[18:47] <jdstrand> kees, mdeslaur: maybe someone from our team should at least bring up the idea of lucid's webkit for hardy
[18:47] <ccheney> mdeslaur: i don't know that status for jaunty, sorry
[18:48] <jdstrand> kees: ccheney brings up a good point on hardy-- webkit isn't going to get dragged into 5 year support is it?
[18:48] <ccheney> jdstrand: getting lucid's webkit into hardy should be doable once lucid's version is frozen
[18:48] <ccheney> jdstrand: you just have to ask the right people i suppose (rick spencer)
[18:48] <kees> jdstrand: so far, no
[18:49] <mdeslaur> ccheney: do you have a list of applications that are going to use webkit in hardy?
[18:49] <ccheney> mdeslaur: i think its just epiphany but you would have to ask asac to be certain
[18:49] <mdeslaur> ccheney: you're just working on epiphany?
[18:50] <ccheney> yes
[18:51] <ccheney> so aiui we are backporting epiphany because it is officially supported for hardy and uses xulrunner in a manner that is at risk for security, other things that use xulrunner that aren't as exposed still will use it (aiui)
[18:51] <jdstrand> that is consistent with my understanding as well
[18:51] <ccheney> so if there are other supported browsers that use xulrunner (none that i know of other than firefox) we would probably need to do something about those too
[18:51] <jdstrand> if a xul-running app isn't exposed to the internet, we won't worry about the CVE
[18:52] <mdeslaur> so, we'll have an outdated xulrunner that will live forever in hardy with stuff using it
[18:52] <jdstrand> (and therefore migrating it to webkit)
[18:52] <ccheney> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Lucid/FirefoxNewSupportModel/xulrunner-list bottom of the page is most pertient
[18:52] <jdstrand> liferea
[18:53] <ccheney> looks like jaunty might need to be ported too if i am reading the chart correctly
[18:53] <mdeslaur> ccheney: wait a sec...is the newer webkit you're backporting to hardy _replacing_ the old webkit or will it be _added_?
[18:53] <ccheney> it will be renamed somehow to be in addition
[18:54] <kees> oh nasty
[18:54] <ccheney> i'm still working on getting it working at all, then will work on cleaning up from packaging standpoint
[18:54] <kees> can't we replace the webkit in hardy instead?
[18:54] <ccheney> aiui the old webkit and new one aren't abi compatible, maybe not even api (?)
[18:54] <ccheney> but i may be misinformed
[18:55] <mdeslaur> ccheney: I was under the impression webkit 1.1 also built a 1.0 library for compatibility
[18:56] <ccheney> all i see is a libwebkit-1.0-2 but it might be in there
[18:56] <ccheney> asac: 12:55 < mdeslaur> ccheney: I was under the impression webkit 1.1 also built a  1.0 library for compatibility
[18:56] <ccheney> asac: do you know if webkit from karmic can fully replace webkit in hardy?
[18:56] <mdeslaur> I may be very wrong on that one
[18:57] <ccheney> mdeslaur: yea i don't see any other library in the package other than the package named one
[18:57] <mdeslaur> yeah, me neither
[18:59] <mdeslaur> wow, the name of the library in hardy is completely different from the current webkit
[19:01] <ccheney> yea
[19:01] <ccheney> was webkit supported in hardy, i'm not sure
[19:02] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: is there more to discuss here or can we take this out of the meeting?
[19:02] <ccheney> if not then only the new one will need to be
[19:02] <jdstrand> ccheney: it was universe
[19:02] <ccheney> ok
[19:02] <mdeslaur> ccheney: thanks for all the info
[19:02] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: that's it from mw
[19:02] <mdeslaur> me
[19:02] <ccheney> no problem, if anyone has more questions just msg me later :)
[19:03] <jdstrand> ccheney: thanks!
[19:03] <jdstrand> kees: anything else?
[19:06] <jdstrand> alright then, meeting adjourned
[19:06] <jdstrand> thanks!
[19:06] <jdstrand> kees, mdeslaur: ^
[19:06] <kees> yup, done.  thanks!