[10:40] <Ells> well, I get system sounds, but nothing from the dvd
[10:40] <Ells> I am trying to diagnose this,ya know what I mean
[10:40] <Desplesda> Madeye: anything from google?
[10:40] <mojo_> ZorroBytes: I have an Audigy2 ZS Platinum Pro.  Maybe I can help you with some things
[10:40] <ZorroBytes> mojo - that's what I have.
[10:41] <Madeye> Desplesda,  nah
[10:41] <Desplesda> Madeye: i know that a couple of projects integrate cvs
[10:41] <Desplesda> anjuta and screem
[10:42] <Madeye> Desplesda,  I have screem installed, but aint login
[10:42] <Desplesda> Madeye: then i don't know, sorry :(
[10:42] <Madeye> Desplesda,  Thank you anyway :-)
[10:44] <jintxo> hey guys, can you recommend a good comand line id3 tag reader/editor for setting tags on a bunch of files at once?
[10:45] <randabis-laptop> I know there's a really good one... I can't remember the name offhand :/
[10:45] <anti_> I'd like to know, too :-)
[10:45] <anti_> I'd even take a gui one.
[10:46] <jintxo> I apt-getted id3tool, but it won't dispaly thetags, I would like one to display them and then set them
[10:46] <Madeye> then I have to try Anjuta
[10:47] <anti_> jintxo,  I once tested a bunch - they all seemed to suck.
[10:47] <jintxo> anti_, dang
[10:47] <jintxo> :-)
[10:47] <anti_> jintxo, so if you find a good one: let me know :-)
[10:47] <Desplesda> well, i can't see anything that could fix this
[10:47] <Desplesda> the monitor issue, i mean
[10:47] <Desplesda> i may move back to slack 10 and keep ubuntu on my laptop
[10:49] <anti_> Desplesda, I didn't follow, but did you try xorg? maybe throw in a hoary live CD?
[10:49] <Desplesda> i haven't the bandwidth for a hoary livecd
[10:49] <anti_> oh. i see.
[10:49] <Desplesda> also, there's no network connection (internet or lan) that could let me download xorg anyway
[10:50] <anti_> Desplesda, xorg comes with hoary. that was my idea...
[10:50] <Desplesda> fair enough :)
[10:50] <bert_> shit!
[10:50] <Desplesda> what i'll do is move all of the downloaded packages to my laptop and then put slack on the desktop
[10:50] <Desplesda> sorry, ubuntu, better luck next version
[10:51] <Desplesda> :)
[10:51] <bert_> i get this error when running ./configure for beagle
[10:51] <bert_> checking for Mono.Data.SqliteClient.dll... configure: error: missing required mono DLL: Mono.Data.SqliteClient.d
[10:51] <anti_> it hurts to see ubuntu lose :-)
[10:51] <coobra> wee i hawe installed ubuntu to my laptop :)
[10:51] <coobra> heh not hard :)) but nice :)
[10:51] <Desplesda> rock on for having separate /home and / partitions
[10:51] <Desplesda> can't do that with windows, can you
[10:51] <Desplesda> well
[10:51] <Desplesda> you could
[10:51] <Desplesda> BUT THATS NOT THE POINT
[10:52] <anti_> bert_, libmono-dev installed?
[10:52] <anti_> Desplesda, hehe
[10:52] <bert_> anti_, yes
[10:52] <Desplesda> besides, the names of folders wouldn't be the same
[10:52] <Desplesda> so hah!
[10:52] <jintxo> anti_, I'm cheching out one called simply "id3" and it seems to do what I need with a little scripting/find'ing although it doesn'tseem to have any special features. enough for my purposes
[10:53] <anti_> jintxo, thanks.
[10:53] <bert_> oh
[10:53] <bert_> i fixed it
[10:53] <jintxo> as long as it takes "*" as an argument, it's good enouch for what I need, heh
[10:53] <bert_> it also neede mono-utils
[10:56] <Desplesda> *finger hovers over 'format partition /dev/hde2'*
[10:56] <Desplesda> :``(
[10:56] <anti_> :-(
[10:56] <Desplesda> ah well
[10:57] <Desplesda> i have much ubuntu-ey goodness in a little 2.5kg package
[10:57] <jesuel> err rm -rf * /
[10:57] <Desplesda> i need a real internet connection :(
[10:57] <jesuel> lol ;p
[10:57] <jesuel> how fast is your net connect?
[10:57] <Desplesda> jesuel: i'm installing slack 10 over the old, non-working ubuntu install
[10:57] <Desplesda> as fast as a speeding modem
[10:58] <jesuel> you could, TRY a download of hoary
[10:58] <jesuel> but it would take a while
[10:58] <anti_> Desplesda, maybe someone could send a hoary live CD to you!
[10:58] <anti_> :-)
[10:58] <jesuel> yep
[10:59] <anti_> Desplesda, where are you from?
[10:59] <jesuel> ive done that a few times
[10:59] <Desplesda> tasmania
[10:59] <Desplesda> :P
[10:59] <Desplesda> has shipit got hoary cds yet?
[10:59] <anti_> Desplesda, don't think so.
[10:59] <anti_> Desplesda, but if you beg them pitiful enough... who knows :-)
[10:59] <Desplesda> well, if any non-stalker wants to send me a hoary cd, i'll give them my address :P
[11:00] <bert_> damn
[11:00] <anti_> hehe. stalking you in tasmania would be kind of hard from germany.
[11:00] <Desplesda> lol
[11:00] <bert_> anti_, now i get this one:
[11:00] <bert_> configure: error: Library requirements (gtk+-2.0 >= 2.2 mozilla-gtkmozembed) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them.
[11:00] <Desplesda> i ordered a bunch of warty cds a few days ago
[11:00] <anti_> Desplesda, but it also would take a pretty long time getting the cd to you, i guess.
[11:00] <Desplesda> true
[11:00] <jesuel> yup
[11:01] <Desplesda> unless you want to spend fantastic amounts of money
[11:01] <jesuel> almost as long as a download
[11:01] <anti_> hehe
[11:01] <Desplesda> 'Postman! I need this CD delivered to Australia in 2 days! It's.. um.. livesaving.. medical data. Yeah.'
[11:01] <jesuel> hah ;p
[11:01] <anti_> :-)
[11:01] <jesuel> that will be 1 MILLION dollars ;p
[11:01] <anti_> Screensaving, even!
[11:01] <Desplesda> 'Ubuntu? Oh, that's spanish for heart.'
[11:02] <Desplesda> 'Heart transplant data. You know. Howtos and that.'
[11:02] <Desplesda> i cant see it working
[11:02] <Desplesda> how about you :P
[11:02] <jesuel> nay
[11:03] <anti_> weeell
[11:04] <Desplesda> night all
[11:04] <Desplesda> off to slackland i go :D
[11:04] <Desplesda> thanks for all your help :)
[11:04] <anti_> night, Desplesda :-)
[11:08] <bert_> pff
[11:10] <jesuel> mmm bed
[11:11] <FAST> anyone know why samba cant handle shared folders from an external firewire hard drive>
[11:12] <anti_> FAST, what filesystem? this works for a 160G ext3 external firewire partition here...
[11:12] <SirFred> Good morning
[11:13] <FAST> anti_, its a fat32 fs on the external
[11:13] <anti_> FAST, ours mountable by nfs, smb.
[11:13] <FAST> ?
[11:14] <anti_> hm. I can't see, why that shouldn't work.
[11:14] <anti_> FAST, exactly what's the problem?
[11:15] <FAST> well, i have a share listed as     /media/sda1/folder   in the  smb.conf ; and test folder as  /tmp/test  , both with same settings otherwise
[11:15] <FAST> the test folder is working fine, but the sda/folder isn't.  trying to access it, i get a login box for name/domain/pass
[11:16] <FAST> and cant get past that
[11:16] <larsrohdin> hi! my mozilla firefox, opens all new windows really small... how can i change that?
[11:18] <anti_> FAST, hm.. the linux-side rights on the folder are ok?
[11:18] <FAST> how do i find out?
[11:18] <anti_> FAST, ls -ld  /media/sda1/folder
[11:19] <anti_> compare that to ls -ld /tmp/test
[11:19] <bert_> can someone help me? i'm trying to install beagle, and i'm getting this error when running ./configure: configure: error: Library requirements (gtk-sharp glade-sharp gecko-sharp = 0.6 gnome-sharp dbus-sharp = 0.23 gconf-sharp gmime-sharp) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them.
[11:19] <FAST> drwxr--r--
[11:19] <FAST> drwxr--r--    2 ryan     ryan        32768 2005-01-31 12:53 /media/sda1/video/carnivale
[11:19] <FAST> drwxr-xr-x    2 ryan     ryan         4096 2005-02-06 02:10 /tmp/test
[11:20] <anti_> that may be it. "x" is "allow change into dir" for directories.
[11:20] <FAST> how do i fix that?
[11:20] <anti_> now. I don't know for the hotplug-fix... but as a hotfix:
[11:21] <anti_> try to set the rights by hand.  "chmod a+x  /media/sda1/folder"
[11:21] <anti_> restart samba, and see.
[11:22] <_4strO> yop yop
[11:22] <FAST> ok ill see if it works
[11:25] <ZorroBytes> Hi, if I want to compile against the kernel (some drivers) what packages do I need to install?
[11:25] <ZorroBytes> Using hoary.
[11:27] <Mantle> ZorroBytes: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/compile-kernel-module is this what you are looking for?
[11:28] <ZorroBytes> Mantle: wonderful. ta. I'll give that a shot.
[11:28] <FAST> anti_, looks like chmod on the firewire folder didn't work,   ls -ld shows no change! yikes
[11:29] <anti_> hm.
[11:29] <ZorroBytes> Mantle: would that allow me to compile alsa 1.0.8, or will I need the kernel source as well?
[11:31] <Mantle> ZorroBytes: sorry, i have no idea.. i don't really know what i'm doing either haha
[11:31] <FAST> i just tried     sudo nautilus, right click properties of /media/sda1  to add the execute, but the checkboxes are forced to stay unchecked
[11:32] <larsrohdin> im kinda new to fluxbox, but i want to add synaptic to my root menu... how should i write in the menu-file?
[11:33] <coobra> im a new linux user if i want to hawe aterm installed on mu ubuntu what do i do :)
[11:34] <Dreamer3> coobra: apt-get install aterm
[11:34] <coobra> ohh
[11:34] <Dreamer3> coobra: with sudu in front
[11:34] <coobra> trying :)
[11:34] <larsrohdin> sudo
[11:34] <coobra> whats do stand for :)
[11:35] <coobra> su is switching user
[11:35] <larsrohdin> i don't know what it stands for but it gives you root access
[11:36] <anti_> coobra, sudo switches the user (to root) for one command.
[11:36] <Dreamer3> yep i do
[11:36] <anti_> :-)
[11:36] <Mantle> i am very close to getting my wlan0 working, except i can't figure out how to turn on the radio
[11:36] <anti_> Dreamer3, whole bt protocol, or just the existing clients?
[11:37] <larsrohdin> anyone here good at fluxbox menus?
[11:37] <Mantle> if it works in knoppix is there any way i can figure out what it's doing there that it isn't doing in ubuntu?
[11:37] <FAST> hmm
[11:37] <FAST> Bear in mind, that fat32 filesystems do not support 'chmod' for file permissions in linux. File permissions are set the same for all files using the umask variable in the file located at "/etc/fstab" (The file system table for linux).
[11:38] <Dreamer3> anti_: it left a large file in an inconsistent states so i couldn't just resume the transfer with wget -c
[11:38] <anti_> FAST, hmm. but it has been mounted by pmount... so no fstab entry...
[11:39] <FAST> yeah its already mounted and i can access it normally by this computer
[11:39] <Dreamer3> anti_: now i have to rsync the ISO against a known good copy
[11:39] <Dreamer3> i figured i wuold
[11:40] <coobra> hmm
[11:40] <anti_> Dreamer3, hmm. yeah. I ponder if you are expecting too much :-)
[11:40] <Dreamer3> anti_: expecting things to just work
[11:41] <Dreamer3> i would have used bt for the whole thing but the dumb bt server went down 55mb in
[11:41] <anti_> Dreamer3, it is chunking the file for distributed downloads, afaik. there is no single server. just swarming clients.
[11:42] <Dreamer3> and now debian rsync -z isn't comparible with redhat rsync -z?
[11:42] <anti_> Dreamer3, so how should it be left in a consistent state, when you turn it off whilst downloading from a bunch of clients.well maybe it could be done...
[11:42] <Dreamer3> anti_: i don't know i give up
[11:42] <Ells> anyone have a clue, I have been working to get my audio to work with my dvds with no luck
[11:42] <Dreamer3> anti_: i'm just tired of dial-up
[11:43] <larsrohdin> how can i add synaptic to my menu in fluxbox?
[11:43] <Ells> anti, when I do it acts like my esd or something is busy
[11:43] <Dreamer3> thi si sjust too much
[11:43] <altan> I sure love Firefox and how it's using 595MB of RAM for four tabs open with few images and none larger than 100x100
[11:44] <Dreamer3> altan: i think it has to have memory leaks
[11:44] <FAST> anti_, do you think i can make a symbolic link to the folder ?
[11:44] <anti_> FAST, I think I would umount the partition, create a mountpoint (/mnt/something) and remount it by hand.
[11:44] <Dreamer3> altan: it gets crazy on my system
[11:45] <anti_> FAST, you could make a symlink, but that would not help you. as symlinks' filemodes are not looked at.
[11:45] <Ells> anti, how could I have sound but no audio to for my dvds
[11:45] <FAST> ok
[11:45] <anti_> Ells, I have no more idea, sorry. I can't imagine why esd hangs...
[11:46] <Ells> can it be reinstalled
[11:46] <Ells> it worked in warty
[11:46] <da_bon_bon> hi all.
[11:46] <anti_> Ells, how did you install mplayer?
[11:46] <Ells> can I unistall hoary
[11:46] <FAST> it seems iam unable to unmount the drive         "device is busy"
[11:47] <Ells> it was installed from the ubuntu website
[11:47] <da_bon_bon> is it ok if i do a warty install and update to hoary, or is it better to get array4 ?
[11:47] <Ells> totem also plays video with no sound
[11:47] <anti_> FAST, "sudo lsof /media/sda1" shows the processes that are using the partition.
[11:47] <Ells> can hoary be uninstalled anti
[11:47] <da_bon_bon> Ells: u got the codecs right ?
[11:47] <anti_> FAST, stop those processes, and it ain't busy anymore.
[11:48] <Ells> I think so, how can I be sure
[11:48] <FAST> "famd" is using it
[11:48] <Ells> da bon bon how can I be sure
[11:48] <anti_> Ells, "uninstalling hoary" is much more complicated than reinstalling warty from scratch.  The player acts like esd is buy or something
[11:49] <FAST> now do i make an entry in the fstab ?
[11:50] <anti_> FAST, I'd first create the mountpoint, and try the mount by hand.
[11:52] <anti_> FAST, "mkdir /mnt/fw; mount -t vfat -o  /mnt/fw /dev/sda1"
[11:53] <anti_> FAST, then ls -ld /mnt/fw to see if the modes look better.
[11:54] <sirukin> hmm
[11:55] <FAST> anti_, im trying to 'sudo mount -t vfat -o /media/hermes /dev/sda1
[11:56] <FAST> but not working for some reason; i did mkdir  /media/hermes
[11:56] <FAST> sudo mount -t vfat -o /dev/sda1 /media/hermes
[11:56] <FAST> Usage: mount -V                 : print version
[11:56] <FAST>        mount -h                 : print this help
[11:56] <anti_> FAST, I wouldnt create the mountpoint in /media...
[11:56] <FAST> etc
[11:57] <anti_> skip the -o, sorry.
[11:57] <FAST> ok thats working, but  the directories aren't loaded as directories
[11:57] <FAST> i see the directory names there, but they have gnome foot icons and i cant open the directories up
[12:01] <johns_> you should use /mnt -t vfat -o umask=0 /dev/sda1 /media/hermes
[12:02] <johns_> damn, sed s/\/mnt/mount/
[12:02] <johns_> hello by the way
[12:02] <johns_> new try: mount -t vfat -o umask=0 /dev/sda1 /media/hermes
[12:02] <da_bon_bon> is there any speech recognition software for linux ?
[12:03] <sirukin> to enable monitor mode with my orinoco pcmcia card
[12:03] <sirukin> do I need to recompile the kernel?
[12:03] <FAST> heyyyyyy it worked!
[12:04] <sirukin> da_bon_bon, afaik, yes there is
[12:04] <cowbud> anyone got a find command for if it is a directory run x command in that direcotry?
[12:04] <da_bon_bon> sirukin: sphinx ?
[12:05] <cowbud> sirukin: that depends on if you have the orinoco driver compiled as a module or not..
[12:06] <GuestTemp> Hi all... i've upgraded to Hoary but now some parts of Gnome are not localized...
[12:06] <GuestTemp> ...any hints?
[12:07] <sirukin> this is a stock warty install
[12:07] <FAST> finally!   the folder can now be seen through samba
[12:07] <da_bon_bon> is it ok if i do a warty install and update to hoary, or is it better to get array4 ?
[12:07] <FAST> thanks guys
[12:07] <GuestTemp> sirukin, so i should re-install array 4 from scratch?
[12:07] <sirukin> I tried applying the 2.6.x patch from kismet's download page it didn't work
[12:07] <sirukin> :[
[12:07] <anti_> FAST, you can now put a line in fstab to have your drive mounted at boot time.
[12:08] <sirukin> hmm
[12:09] <cowbud> sirukin: well was it a patch for the kernel you wer running? :)
[12:09] <FAST> anti_, should the umask option have a value for it?
[12:09] <cowbud> raghh how do you do a test with find to print only if it is a directory?!
[12:09] <da_bon_bon> please tell me whether is it ok if i do a warty install and update to hoary, or is it better to get array4 ?
[12:09] <FAST> for the winxp mountpoint,  umask is set to 0222?
[12:10] <GuestTemp> da_bon_bon, i did so... till now, no problems except this annoying partial localization
[12:10] <GuestTemp> (from warty to hoary)
[12:10] <da_bon_bon> GuestTemp: did what ? upadted or arra4 ?
[12:10] <da_bon_bon> ok..
[12:10] <da_bon_bon> what partial localization ?
[12:11] <GuestTemp> Some menu in Gnome are not localized...
[12:11] <anti_> FAST, default should do.
[12:11] <GuestTemp> ...well, if your language is english, you probably don't see the difference :D
[12:11] <da_bon_bon> ok..
[12:11] <da_bon_bon> GuestTemp: why, which language do u use ?
[12:11] <Harold> just did a dist-upgrade to hoary and now the mounted media don't show in nautilus desktop, anyone have a fix for that? :)
[12:12] <da_bon_bon> and is hoary faster ?
[12:12] <GuestTemp> Italian
[12:12] <GuestTemp> Faster? Mmmh... don't seem so...
[12:12] <Dhashen> er - I have some questions if i may?
[12:12] <da_bon_bon> then, whats the difference ?
[12:12] <FAST> /dev/sda1	/media/hermes	vfat	defaults                           ?
[12:12] <da_bon_bon> Dhashen: ask dont ask to ask
[12:12] <GuestTemp> It uses more updated packages
[12:13] <da_bon_bon> Castoro: nothing else ?
[12:13] <Castoro> That's all
[12:14] <Castoro> ("packages" meaning alsa the kernel, of course)
[12:14] <da_bon_bon> du-uh! i will use the cds i get thro' shipit :D
[12:14] <Harold> hmm and it still uses xfree it seems :/ will the final hoary use xorg and should I upgrade now already?
[12:14] <Dhashen> heard alot about ubuntu and would like to try - am currently on yoper which has kde. just like to know what i should look out for when moving from kde to gnome
[12:14] <sirukin> exit
[12:15] <da_bon_bon> Dhashen: some vagueness
[12:15] <Castoro> Harold, the main difference between Xfree and Xorg is the licence...
[12:15] <website> Castoro, per ora..
[12:15] <Castoro> ...gi...
[12:15] <johns_> @FAST /dev/sda1 /media/hermes vfat defaults,umask=0 0 0 should work in fstab
[12:15] <Harold> I thought Xorg where going in another direction dev wise other/newer features?
[12:15] <da_bon_bon> Castoro: perfectly right.
[12:16] <troll_god> problem with the depends on libacvodeccvs with/ mplayer-586 meta pkg
[12:16] <Harold> nice totem doesn't give the blue screen on first video anymore
[12:16] <troll_god> anyone cares enough to fill out a bug report more power to you
[12:16] <FAST> got it
[12:16] <da_bon_bon> troll_god: why cant u file one yourself /
[12:17] <website> Castoro, e poi posso garantirti che il supporto ati radeon manca in xfree e in xorg gira che  una meraviglia (ho una ati radeon 9000 pro)
[12:17] <troll_god> da_bon_bon: lazy etc
[12:17] <da_bon_bon> :P
[12:17] <troll_god> da_bon_bon: Also trying to figure out why the hell im getting random sounds
[12:17] <troll_god> i think this box is compromised
[12:17] <troll_god> well the box im working on
[12:18] <Castoro> website, mi sembra che recentemente sia stato sistemato su Xfree (non sono sicuro)... comunque, il problema  risolto in parte, dato che il resto degli utenti Ati, con Xorg (per sfruttare le estensioni nuove) si attacca...
[12:19] <ZorroBytes> Hey everyone! Got my Audigy2 to work in Ubuntu Hoary!
[12:19] <website> Castoro, vengo dalla warty dove mettendo il driver ati su xfree mi ritornava schermo nero
[12:19] <website> Castoro, ho dovuto usare i vesa
[12:19] <Castoro> website, i driver ati inclusi nel kernel?
[12:21] <website> Castoro, ho modificato il fie di configurazione di xfree con ati (l'ha fatto in automatico quando l'ho messa) ma xfree non partiva, ho dovuto riconfigurare il pacchetto mettendo i driver vesa per farlo partire
[12:21] <website> *messo ubuntu
[12:24] <nokia6000> is there a way to talk to a windows machine locally?
[12:24] <Castoro> website, in teoria perch il supporto open-source si ferma alle 8500 (ultimo rilascio delle specifiche da parte di Ati)
[12:24] <nokia6000> as in "talk<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:25] <website> Castoro, ma con xorg le glx vanno e alla grande :-)
[12:25] <Castoro> website, usando i driver proprietari dovrebbe andare (ora controllo sul sito)
[12:25] <nokia6000> from *nix machine
[12:25] <website> Castoro, lo so l'ho visto
[12:25] <website> ma con Xorg non ho dovuto installare nessun pacchetto porprietario (ora sono su hoary)
[12:25] <Phosphoros> Nokia, Like share files and such?
[12:25] <website> Castoro, quindi sono a posto :-9
[12:25] <website> :-)
[12:26] <Castoro> :)
[12:27] <Castoro> website, aspetta un secondo... ma hai anche l'accelerazione 3d ?
[12:27] <Castoro> glxinfo | grep direct
[12:28] <website> asp
[12:29] <website> $ glxinfo | grep direct
[12:29] <website> direct rendering: Yes
[12:29] <website> :-) :-)
[12:30] <dgr> hm, hi there
[12:30] <Castoro> ...quindi a quanto pare il supporto open si  esteso un pochino.
[12:30] <Castoro> Speriamo riescano a fare qualcosa anche per i modelli successivi...
[12:31] <website> Castoro, io sono nel paradiso adesso :-)
[12:31] <dgr> does anyone know how to keep ubuntu up-to-date without reinstalling every 6 months? maybe something like in debian. a simple apt-get dist-upgrade?
[12:31] <johns_> yup
[12:31] <johns_> apt-get update
[12:31] <johns_> then apt-get upgrade
[12:32] <dgr> yeah but I got the warty servers in my sources.list and so I can't upgrade to (e.g.) hoary without reinstalling
[12:32] <Castoro> Vado... ciao!!
[12:32] <johns_> Ah  I see
[12:33] <johns_> change warty with hoary
[12:33] <johns_> in /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:33] <dgr> uhm are you sure that doesn't break something?
[12:33] <johns_> no
[12:34] <dgr> mh
[12:34] <johns_> <-- living on the edge
[12:34] <johns_> ;)
[12:34] <dgr> has anyone tried to change the servers to debian sid ones and do a dist-upgrade?
[12:34] <johns_> on the other hand, on a debian box I use 'testing in my sources.list
[12:34] <SirFred> My desktop files are not upgraded on Hoary.
[12:35] <johns_> so when sid replaces sarge, my system should update
[12:35] <SirFred> I have to type Ctrl+R on the desktop to keep them updated. And the gamin daemon seems to be running.
[12:35] <dgr> johns_:yeah that's the case with debian
[12:35] <johns_> I guess it should work on ubuntu also
[12:35] <dgr> you guess, I hope ;)
[12:36] <johns_> I'v addes some debian sources to my sources.list and nothing broke
[12:36] <johns_> yet
[12:36] <dgr> did you do a dist-upgrade since then?
[12:37] <johns_> no. and they're non-free and contrib things. Not really usefull btw
[12:37] <johns_> ubunta has everything also
[12:37] <dgr> not _everything_ but pretty much, yes
[12:38] <dgr> I'm only afraid my installation will break if I upgrade to hoary.
[12:38] <dgr> means upgrading without cd
[12:38] <dgr> I don't want to download and burn a cd image every six months :/
[12:39] <johns_> I wouldn't fear a net upgrade more than a cd upgrade
[12:39] <johns_> I've done an upgrade from woody to sarge and it didn't really break
[12:40] <dgr> atm I'm using the warty-backports
[12:40] <johns_> me too
[12:41] <johns_> is hoary on the servers already? i can't seem to find it on the ubuntu website
[12:41] <dgr> It's not final yet
[12:42] <tremor> http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/
[12:42] <johns_> I mean an apt repository
[12:42] <johns_> but it is. just found it :)
[12:42] <dgr> hm, could you post the link?
[12:42] <dgr> didn't search fot it yet, but I'm too lazy anways
[12:42] <johns_> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/
[12:43] <dgr> +y
[12:43] <larsrohdin> how can i upgrade to hoary?
[12:43] <dgr> hey, nice question
[12:43] <dgr> I'm trying to replace "warty" with "hoary" in my /etc/apt/sources.list, let's see what happens ;)
[12:44] <larsrohdin> dgr, ?
[12:44] <website> :-)
[12:44] <johns_> me too
[12:45] <dgr> If it breaks I'm going to re-install debian testing *g*
[12:45] <website> drg: ubuntu /is/ a debian derivate
[12:46] <dgr> website: I know.
[12:46] <larsrohdin> website, how can i upgrade to hoary?
[12:46] <no0tic> where can I report my experience with standby/resume & hibernate?
[12:46] <dgr> but there's a difference between debian testing and ubuntu
[12:46] <dgr> no0tic, what's your experience?
[12:46] <website> larsrohdin, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:46] <website> change all the "warty" with "hoary"
[12:47] <larsrohdin> ok, and then sudo apt-get update and upgrade?
[12:47] <website> dgr, yes i comes from 4 years of debian sid
[12:47] <dgr> yep
[12:47] <website> larsrohdin, yep
[12:47] <no0tic> dgr: standby works, but on resume it hangs on a black screen (without backlight, I think also without screen at all)
[12:47] <larsrohdin> ok, but nothing of my stuff will disappaer right?
[12:47] <dgr> I'm currently upgrading, he needs to get 400 mb :/
[12:48] <apokryphos> Hi everyone. Does anyone have any extra apt sources, other than the default ones that come with it [hoary] ?
[12:48] <johns_> hm i just dit a sed s/warty/hoary/ -i /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:48] <no0tic> dgr: hibernate works & resume from hibernate works halfly, I need to restart most services
[12:48] <johns_> over 700 MB
[12:48] <no0tic> dgr: alsa acpi-support
[12:48] <dgr> hm
[12:48] <no0tic> dgr: ehm s/alsa/also
[12:49] <tremor> apokryphos: yes
[12:49] <larsrohdin> website, it wont erase my files right?
[12:49] <no0tic> dgr: I'm using hoary
[12:49] <apokryphos> tremor: Care to share? :) Could use pastebin.com
[12:49] <website> your file under /home not
[12:49] <iapx8088> mmh
[12:50] <iapx8088> hi website, are you familiar with the suspend nvidia hack?
[12:50] <tremor> apokryphos: http://www.pastebin.com/238384
[12:50] <larsrohdin> website, ok but what happens with fluxbox for example?
[12:50] <dgr> larsrohdin: If it's included with hoary then It's going to be updated, otherwise it will stay as it is (IMHO)
[12:50] <website> iapx8088, not
[12:51] <iapx8088> thx
[12:51] <website> larsrohdin, it will be upgraded to lastes relase
[12:51] <website> it's all ok
[12:51] <apokryphos> tremor: thanks :); I appreciate it
[12:51] <website> larsrohdin, you will not lose anything
[12:51] <iapx8088> anybody is familiar with the suspend nvidia hack? xinit /bin/false -- :1
[12:51] <tremor> np
[12:51] <larsrohdin> website, but it would look the same? i mean it took me all day yesterday to make it look like i want=)
[12:51] <website> -__-
[12:51] <dgr> larsrohdin: That data is saved in your /home
[12:52] <larsrohdin> dgr, ok... but how long will it take? and what happens if my internet connection fails?
[12:52] <dgr> larsrohdin: means: it keeps lookin' how you want it
[12:52] <dgr> stop worrying
[12:52] <larsrohdin> lol
[12:52] <larsrohdin> ok, ill do it=)
[12:53] <website> an upgrade is performed in 1 or 1,5 hours
[12:53] <dgr> If your internet connection fails, then you reboot and try again. apt-get will use the alreay-downloaded files and continue the upgrade
[12:53] <apokryphos> tremor: Arr, that's excellent. It fills in some dependencies that it didn't previously have. Cool.
[12:53] <larsrohdin> website,dgr, ok thanks alot=)
[12:53] <dgr> larsrohdin: doing our best *grin*
[12:54] <larsrohdin> just change all words "warty" to hoary?
[12:54] <dgr> exactly
[12:54] <website> yes
[12:54] <larsrohdin> ok
[12:54] <website> larsrohdin, dgr said that 30 line before (about)
[12:55] <larsrohdin> but what about this? deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020)] / unstable main restricted
[12:55] <dgr> remove it
[12:55] <larsrohdin> ok
[12:55] <iapx8088> comment it
[12:56] <website> ^__^
[12:56] <Bloomy> hi
[12:57] <dgr> hi there Bloomy
[12:57] <larsrohdin> ok here we go=)
[12:57] <dgr> This is the first time I'm in this channel and I like it already ;)
[12:58] <larsrohdin> dgr, i ran update now and some lines said not found...
[12:59] <dgr> larsrohdin: can you post one of these (ONE, please)
[12:59] <larsrohdin>  http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/dists/hoary-backports/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[01:00] <dgr> yeah that's the backports repository. You'll have to comment that line, too.
[01:00] <larsrohdin> comment how?
[01:00] <dgr> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:00] <dgr> you put a # in front of it
[01:01] <larsrohdin> but i can do that in gedit right? nano looks scary=)
[01:01] <dgr> of course, but nano is my editor of choice ;)
[01:01] <MobyTurbo> larsrohdin, if you think nano is scary try vi. :)
[01:02] <larsrohdin> MobyTurbo, lol
[01:02] <dgr> MobyTurbo: Not only that vi(m) is scary, but also I can't seem to get it to do what I want
[01:02] <dgr> nano is pretty easy to handle
[01:03] <larsrohdin> ok, ill close down xchat to make it go faster... but if something happens ill be back for you dgr=)
[01:03] <MobyTurbo> dgr, I don't have any problems with vi, but then again I started using Unix 13 years ago so it is familiar to me.
[01:03] <dgr> larsrohdin: ok, see you
[01:03] <dgr> *grin*
[01:03] <larsrohdin> dgr, bye thanks alot
[01:03] <no0tic> can I use vanilla kernel sources directly on ubuntu?
[01:04] <dgr> MobyTurbo: I started using Linux (and so Unix) 2 weeks ago
[01:04] <dgr> MobyTurbo: But I'm already quite familiar with it
[01:04] <JJH^> hi
[01:04] <apokryphos> is the mplayer from apt currently working for anyone?
[01:05] <MobyTurbo> dgr, vim is actually less scary than some of them, the original vi I used in SysV if you weren't in insert modes made raw terminal control characters if you tried anything wrong.
[01:05] <dgr> no0tic: There should be no reason why you couldn't, can anyone comment this?
[01:05] <dgr> *grin* yeah, that's what I call user-friendlyness ;)
[01:05] <JJH^> i installed ubuntu. when i log in it first says that Xserver cant be started, then when i log in and type startx it says could not load something for Glide: libglide2x.so
[01:06] <MobyTurbo> make that if you *were* in insert mode, and did anything like backspaces or arrow keys.
[01:06] <JJH^> whats the problem?
[01:06] <no0tic> dgr: with some other distros I had some problems
[01:07] <dgr> no0tic: Ok, then better wait for some _competent_ guy ;)
[01:07] <dgr> maybe MobyTurbo? ;)
[01:08] <dgr> I'm just here to entertain people by talking about editors and explaining 100 times how to upgrade to hoary ;)
[01:09] <JJH^> i installed ubuntu. when i log in it first says that Xserver cant be started, then when i log in and type startx it says could not load something for Glide: libglide2x.so
[01:10] <MobyTurbo> I'm bad to ask because I'm lagging like crazy, apt-get upgrade is tying up my dial-up bandwidth.
[01:10] <apokryphos> upgrading via dial-up? Yeouch.
[01:10] <dgr> Yikes, that's heavy
[01:11] <MobyTurbo> apokryphos, the good thing about Ubuntu Warty is that its a fairly stable target, only a few packages get updated. Tracking Debian Sid is more difficult.
[01:11] <flankk> hi. i am a bit confused about how ubuntu's package repos.. i understand ubuntu is built upon debian and uses apt.. but are all packages taken from a ubunto repo? or are they somehow mixed with the debian repos?
[01:11] <dgr> flankk: Ubuntu has it's own repositories
[01:11] <LinuxJones> flankk, Ubuntu has their own repository
[01:11] <MobyTurbo> flankk, they use Ubuntu repos.
[01:12] <dgr> lol
[01:12] <MobyTurbo> lol
[01:12] <apokryphos> flankk: Ubuntu has its own
[01:12] <apokryphos> (ok, so I did it on purpose =))
[01:12] <dgr> look how friendly we are: If there's is one question there are 3 answers ;)
[01:13] <LinuxJones> JJH^, what vidoeo card do you have ?
[01:13] <flankk> whoa!
[01:13] <JJH^> its voodoo2 :D:
[01:14] <flankk> people here are eager to help, i see. lol
[01:14] <apokryphos> ;)
[01:14] <LinuxJones> JJH^, yeah I kind of figured :P
[01:14] <JJH^> what now?
[01:14] <JJH^> will it work
[01:14] <MobyTurbo> oops, control-w doesn't work like it used to. ;(
[01:15] <LinuxJones> JJH^, I don't know if you can change the card type to vesa or do you have another video card you can put in ?
[01:15] <dgr> hm, for me it does *g*
[01:15] <JJH^> LinuxJones, no i dont have another one
[01:15] <JJH^> how do i change the type to vesa
[01:16] <dgr> the driver?
[01:16] <dgr> sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[01:16] <LinuxJones> JJH^, in bash terminal type sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver xfree86 , when it asks you for the card type select vesa
[01:16] <MobyTurbo> JJH^, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[01:16] <dgr> eeek
[01:17] <JJH^> hmm.. i really did understand. what do i type?
[01:17] <LinuxJones> JJH^, >> xserver-xfree86
[01:17] <dgr> I don't like dpgk-reconfigure: It asks too many questions :/
[01:17] <flankk> hmm. well, you've gotten my attention now. so ubuntu has its own repositories all the way, which are all more up-to-date than debian? that sounds too good to be true.. when it comes to desktop at least.
[01:17] <dgr> flankk: They're less up-to-date
[01:17] <MobyTurbo> dgr, just press return for anything you don't understand.
[01:18] <dgr> MobyTurbo: I like replacing the video driver in the text file better ;)
[01:18] <MobyTurbo> dgr, or use a command line flag to make it ask less questions, I forgot the syntax - should be on the manpage.
[01:18] <JJH^> LinuxJones, so could you say what i have to write down there?
[01:18] <MobyTurbo> dgr, yes, but once you do that further upgrades to X no longer manipulate the file.
[01:18] <dgr> you have nothing to write down, JJH^
[01:18] <flankk> dgr, ??? ubuntu is less up-to-date than debian packages??
[01:19] <LinuxJones> JJH^, you mean you want to edit the file by hand ?
[01:19] <JJH^> where do i go?
[01:19] <MobyTurbo> dgr, unless you use md5sum as explained at the top of the file
[01:19] <dgr> flankk: debian unstable is _really_, _really_ up-to-date. If you mean debian stable: Ubuntu is much more up2-date
[01:19] <LinuxJones> JJH^, sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[01:20] <MobyTurbo> flankk, Warty is less up to date, but is stable. Hoary is partially more up to date, xorg for example.
[01:20] <JJH^> LinuxJones, do i type that?
[01:20] <flankk> dgr, hmm. well the main reason i don't want to use debian on desktop (even with unstable) is because of no xorg, which i realize ubuntu has, but i want something up-to-date as well.
[01:21] <LinuxJones> JJH^, go down to the video device settings change the driver from "glide" to "vesa" hit Ctrl + o, then enter to save the file Ctrl + x to exit
[01:21] <dgr> flankk: Ubuntu gets released every six months.
[01:21] <iapx8088> flankk, ubuntu hoary is da way
[01:21] <MobyTurbo> flankk, there's always Hoary to satisfy your unstable preferences.
[01:22] <MobyTurbo> personally I think Warty strikes a good ballence between bleeding-edge and obsolecense.
[01:23] <dgr> Hm, isn't Hoary the current stable release?
[01:23] <LinuxJones> Hoary doesn't like my Nvidia card ;(
[01:23] <JJH^> LinuxJones, how much memory do i put for the graphics card? (in KB)
[01:23] <iapx8088> linux_jones?
[01:23] <JJH^> i have 128mb of memory
[01:23] <LinuxJones> JJH^, leave that blank
[01:23] <JJH^> k
[01:24] <MobyTurbo> I don't use Hoary also because I have dial-up. It's easier to just track security fixes and limited feature improvements rather than sail the bleeding-edge.
[01:24] <dgr> say, has anyone the same problem as me: I'm loading pretty many mp3s in XMMS (from an NTFS device) and it hangs everytime
[01:24] <LinuxJones> iapx8088, the nvidia binary, I have GF2MX and it refuses to work
[01:24] <iapx8088> LinuxJones, did you recompilre/reinstall the kernel-module?
[01:25] <LinuxJones> iapx8088, no I used the Ubuntu pre-compiled ones
[01:25] <iapx8088> LinuxJones, and it's in sync with your kernel? I don't know, but that driver goes fine with my tnt2, I wonder how it won't go with a newer card.
[01:26] <JJH^> it works
[01:26] <JJH^> thanks
[01:26] <LinuxJones> iapx8088, I messed around for a day with it and finally gave up and went back to Warty
[01:26] <MobyTurbo> iapx8088, my TNT2 M64 has problems with the latest nvidia driver. Only the latest
[01:26] <JJH^> bye
[01:27] <iapx8088> MobyTurbo, mmh can I ask what kernel are you running?
[01:27] <iapx8088> both of you
[01:27] <dgr> hmmm... I hope I won't run into the same problems as LinuxJones
[01:27] <MobyTurbo> iapx8088, it freezes on the spash screen.
[01:27] <iapx8088> MobyTurbo, i had that problem.
[01:27] <LinuxJones> dgr, It seems to only affect a few people I am wondering if it is because of the crappy AGP VIA chipset in my motherboard
[01:28] <iapx8088> can't recall how i fixed it. Besides, it was a foult of mine, not nvidia's
[01:28] <dgr> I have an VIA APG chipset, too :/
[01:28] <iapx8088> besides, what kernel version are you running
[01:28] <iapx8088> LinuxJones, i have a kt600 and it's going.
[01:29] <LinuxJones> iapx8088, mine is KT400 mmmm
[01:29] <iapx8088> LinuxJones, were you running 2.6.10/
[01:29] <LinuxJones> iapx8088, oh yes
[01:29] <MobyTurbo> iapx8088, I'm still apt-get upgrading warty's security fixes, which include a new kernel, so I don't know yet if it will break. The latest nvidia driver did break other distros, including Debian Sid.
[01:29] <dgr> I got a KT266a, pretty much older ;)
[01:30] <iapx8088> LinuxJones, dunnu now if it's the problem, but I assume you know there was a patch to run the newest nvidia with older kernels.
[01:30] <iapx8088> MobyTurbo, surely, they changed one thing to accomodate with 2.6.9>
[01:30] <iapx8088> MobyTurbo, and sid doesn't have 2.6.10
[01:30] <iapx8088> I can't recall what the change
[01:31] <LinuxJones> iapx8088, I was running the 2.6.10 kernel.
[01:31] <iapx8088> LinuxJones, so that wasn't the problem
[01:32] <LinuxJones> iapx8088, I am assuming it is a nvidia driver problem, with 2.6.10
[01:32] <MobyTurbo> iapx8088, I actually in sid was running the 2.4 kernel. They backported, in both 2.4 and 2.6, the changed ABI, and thus only run with the latest nvidia drivers, which is what sid supplies with apt-get.
[01:32] <iapx8088> so, a big mess
[01:33] <MobyTurbo> LinuxJones, not just 2.6.10, backported 2.6.10 features can break earlier kernels.
[01:33] <MobyTurbo> actually, the problem is I think the nvidia driver.
[01:34] <MobyTurbo> these features get backported quite frequently because it addresses a security problem.
[01:34] <LinuxJones> MobyTurbo, it was coming up with an error about not reading hardware EDID or something, so I am fairly sure it's Nvidia's fault as well
[01:35] <iapx8088> LinuxJones, did you try IGNOREEDID  1
[01:35] <LinuxJones> iapx8088, no I didn't try that
[01:36] <iapx8088> LinuxJones, what a pity, might apply
[01:36] <LinuxJones> iapx8088, with my luck probably :)  I will just wait for next Nvidia release and hope it works for me :D
[01:36] <iapx8088> :)
[01:37] <MobyTurbo> I'm actually thinking of moving to ATI because of this if nvidia doesn't fix their drivers soon.
[01:38] <MobyTurbo> my TNT2 is due for an upgrade anyway. :)
[01:38] <ZorroBytes> ati drivers are much worst
[01:38] <dgr> ok, see you guys
[01:38] <ZorroBytes> they suck.
[01:38] <ZorroBytes> take for example their support of mobile graphic chip sets. appalling!
[01:39] <MobyTurbo> a sucky driver is better than no driver
[01:39] <MobyTurbo> I am using a desktop
[01:39] <ZorroBytes> and nvidia, both in Suse and Ubuntu with great results.
[01:40] <LinuxJones> MobyTurbo, more folks are having trouble with ATI than with Nvidia it seems
[01:40] <ZorroBytes> Let me find you a link where some of the xorg maintainers talk about ATI.
[01:40] <MobyTurbo> I thought nvidia was the best too, hopefully they won't daudle fixing this bug and I can get back to liking them.
[01:41] <Derp> Hey.
[01:43] <Derp> Is there another good alternative for Winamp besides Xmms ?
[01:43] <jdub> rhythmbox
[01:43] <ZorroBytes> bash
[01:43] <ZorroBytes> derp: bash
[01:43] <jdub> if you're looking for something very winampy, beep
[01:43] <MobyTurbo> Derp, beep-media-player
[01:43] <ZorroBytes> derb: ogg123 or mpg123
[01:43] <MobyTurbo> beep is kind of buggy though, I should warn you.
[01:44] <ZorroBytes> fantastic stuff!
[01:44] <MobyTurbo> ZorroBytes, if you want to use only command line tools, maybe you're playing with the wrong distro. ;-)
[01:44] <Derp> I mean, with a really slick interface ? Heh. I am trying to make the switch from Windows XP Pro to Ubuntu, only I can't give up Winamp. I really need a decent mediaplayer, with the same slick interface and options.
[01:44] <Derp> :P
[01:44] <Derp> Or equal.
[01:45] <ZorroBytes> Moby: tee hee
[01:45] <Derp> Isn't there a Winamp port ?
[01:45] <no0tic> Derp: Xmms
[01:46] <Derp> Hmm'kay.
[01:47] <MobyTurbo> Derp, beep seems to have the best interface, give it a whirl.
[01:47] <MobyTurbo> though I prefer xmms 'cause its less buggy.
[01:47] <larsrohdin> website, im done upgrading... how can i see what version imusing?
[01:47] <Derp> I'll try, in the meantime I still have to find out how to install a program without the packetthing tool.
[01:47] <Derp> Via terminal*
[01:48] <Derp> And how to unpack a tar.gz .
[01:48] <csturm> hey, why are there no python2.4 bindings for clearsilver?
[01:48] <MobyTurbo> Derp, synaptic
[01:48] <LinuxJones> Derp, you downloaded a .deb package and want to install it ?
[01:48] <Derp> Yes.
[01:48] <LinuxJones> dpkg -i package.deb
[01:48] <MobyTurbo> Derp, tar zxvf foo.tar.gz
[01:48] <Derp> Okey, thanks.
[01:48] <LinuxJones> Derp, but that won't resolve dependencies if there are any
[01:48] <larsrohdin> how can i check which ubuntu-version im using?
[01:49] <csturm> linuxjones: but it will complain when there are missing dependencies, and when you apt-get update later it will install them
[01:50] <LinuxJones> Derp, what are you installing anyways ?
[01:50] <Derp> Well, I actually just wanted to update Mozilla Firefox from version 0.93 tot 1.0 .
[01:50] <Derp> Via synaptic I got version 1.0 PR.
[01:51] <csturm> derp: then dont install a deb. install a tar.gz into your home dir
[01:51] <MobyTurbo> Derp, there are unofficial Ubuntu repositories that carry 1.0
[01:51] <Derp> Okay, how to do that ? I am the ubernoob in linux.
[01:52] <csturm> derp: get the archive from mozilla.org, extract it to your homedir, start it
[01:53] <Derp> Yes, but I told you before, I am a newbie in Linux. I am used to clickerdeclick Windows. Same goes for this whole new filetree thing. Windows has something similar, only I don't understand this yet.
[01:54] <Derp> Tar.gz can just be opened, it has an build in application that supports uncompressing those kind of files ?
[01:55] <chrissturm> yeah, fileroller can open it
[01:55] <chrissturm> file-roller
[01:55] <Derp> And is there something like explorer in Ubuntu ? :P
[01:56] <Derp> Or do I have to use a sort of list command in the root ?
[01:56] <Piero> query |Quad-_
[01:57] <LinuxJones> Derp, it's called Nautilus
[01:57] <chrissturm> derp: nautilus is the explorer
[01:57] <jdub> Derp: click on something in the Computer menu
[01:57] <Derp> Okay.
[01:57] <MobyTurbo> Derp, add the repo listed here http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~ut8g/ and you can get firefox 1.0
[01:58] <MobyTurbo> or ubuntu-bp.sf.net
[01:58] <Derp> Okay, thanks.
[01:58] <jdub> don't use backports
[01:58] <chrissturm> yep
[01:58] <jdub> they'll screw up your upgrade later
[01:58] <chrissturm> derp: install the tar.gz into your home dir
[01:58] <jdub> Derp: if you don't have a very specific reason why you need firefox 1.0, stick with the supported version
[01:59] <MobyTurbo> got to reboot to try the new kernel
[01:59] <Derp> Yes, I am a pain in the ass, I know :P. The reason I want to update it, is the ease of the type-in-window search function, including the highlighting.
[02:00] <Derp> It does have it in 0.93, but not yet including the highlighting. And I am a configfreak, so I must have it.
[02:00] <Derp> :P
[02:01] <mojo_> Hi.  Not a problem but some strangeness... Anyone else on Hoary been dist-upgradin and found that the cursors in X.Org have reverted to defaults?  No more little spinny ubuntu wait pointer.  Is this just me or anyone else too?
[02:05] <spacey> mojo_, i read some others having that problem. i have installed the gcursor package myself and selected another cursor. so maybe thats why I don't have the problem myself
[02:05] <mojo_> gcursor package?  i'll check on that...
[02:06] <audiblest> Can somebody point me to a utility so I can read my ext3 formatted partition from WinXP?
[02:06] <spacey> mojo_, it creates a Cursor Selection option at Desktop>preferences
[02:09] <mojo_> nice
[02:09] <LinuxJones> audiblest, >> http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm
[02:10] <audiblest> LinuxJones, beauty, thx
[02:10] <mojo_> so where can i get other cursor themes to install?
[02:11] <mojo_> hmm...it lets me pick them but they don't do anything.
[02:11] <knewt> is it possible to manually mount my partition during install and bypass the partitioner stage?
[02:14] <LinuxJones> knewt, what seems to be the problem ?
[02:18] <tkz> Howdy... some DVD-problems on my laptop...
[02:19] <tkz> Sometimes I get sound with totem, sometimes not. Xine usually has no sound but just now one mpeg clip had sound... what's up with my multimedia?
[02:19] <tkz> Where do I go looking for the cause?
[02:19] <LinuxJones> tkz, sounds like you need additional sound support
[02:20] <dueyfinster> I am running Win WP SP2 and have a Dell Dimension 8300. I try to boot from the CD I burned when I downloaded Ubuntu, but my PC keeps skipping over it and loading Windows. I have changed the boot preference order so that my CD Drive is No.1, but it makes no difference. Any Ideas?
[02:20] <dueyfinster>  Thanks!
[02:20] <tkz> LinuxJones, hmm... games and gnome have sound working... it's just the movies and video clips that do not always work
[02:20] <LinuxJones> tkz, >> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/ look to addon applications
[02:21] <chrissturm> tkz: its a codec problem
[02:21] <martyr> dueyfinster: turn off any other boot devices so that your cdrom is the only one in queue
[02:21] <dueyfinster> ok will try that thanks!
[02:21] <chrissturm> tkz: check out vlc, its a really nice mediaplayer that can play all files that i know of
[02:21] <LinuxJones> tkz, restricted formats like mpeg2 audio and mp3 aren't included in Unbuntu for legal reasons
[02:21] <mojo_> tkz... go to Desktop, Preferences, Multimedia Systems Selector... try settings in there, see if it helps
[02:22] <tkz> chrissturm, I tried to install that but some libraries that had to be downloaded from nerim-server were not downloading
[02:22] <mojo_> chrissturm:: how about the windows media 9 format?
[02:23] <chrissturm> tkz: i am not sure about that one.
[02:23] <tkz> I have MP3 working and I can get DVD movies to play with sound but it usually takes 2 or 3 reboots before I get sound
[02:23] <chrissturm> tkz: point me to a wm9 file and i try to open it :)
[02:23] <bendebian> can i tell ubuntu to start in a certain udma-modus?
[02:23] <bendebian> i am assuming that it uses an udma modus that is too fast for my old harddisk
[02:23] <BockBilbo> hello
[02:24] <LinuxJones> bendebian, how old is your hard drive ?
[02:25] <bendebian> five years
[02:25] <BockBilbo> whats the package for adding perl 5 support to apache2 ?
[02:25] <chrissturm> linuxjones: you can use hdaparm to check what mode is used
[02:25] <bendebian> LinuxJones: maybe six
[02:25] <tkz> chrissturm, http://www.tonymontana.org/video2.mpeg this plays with xine and sound... then I have some mpegs on my harddrive that have sound when I play them with mplayer but with xine they do not have sound
[02:26] <chrissturm> tkz: are you using warty or hoary?
[02:26] <LinuxJones> bendebian, you checked hdparm settings ?
[02:26] <iapx8088> mmh just wondering what is it this false start problem
[02:26] <mojo_> okay i cant think of one off hand, but have had problems with them in totem and mplayer
[02:26] <iapx8088> at resume from hibernation
[02:26] <mojo_> tho i never used the win32codecs with mplayer
[02:26] <bendebian> chrissturm: i cannot because after "ubuntu is starting" it says nine times "drive not ready for command"
[02:27] <iapx8088> lets tri
[02:27] <iapx8088> y
[02:27] <bendebian> chrissturm: and some time after that it runs in a kernel panic
[02:27] <LinuxJones> bendebian, you get a kernel panic after running hdparm ?
[02:27] <mojo_> chrissturm:: ATM i uninstalled totem and mplayer 'cuz of my own audio problems and been using vlc myself.  u r right, it is very nice and supports more stuff than the others... but i have not tried it yet on wm9
[02:28] <tkz> chrissturm, i have warty
[02:28] <bendebian> LinuxJones: no, i wanna say that i cannot run hdparm because my ubuntu did not start in that machine
[02:28] <mojo_> chrissturm:: but i only just now (hour ago) got my Audigy working again thanks to a #Ubuntu forum user (ZorroBytes) in a DLC chat
[02:28] <dueyfinster> I tried booting with no other device except CD-Dirve, It didnt work
[02:29] <LinuxJones> bendebian, you get a kernel panic when you try to boot ?
[02:29] <iapx8088> back from hi
[02:29] <iapx8088> ok
[02:29] <iapx8088> I'm back from hibrnation
[02:29] <LinuxJones> bendebian, did you compile your own kernel ?
[02:29] <iapx8088> can you read ne
[02:29] <martyr> dueyfinster: what did it complain about?
[02:29] <bendebian> LinuxJones: no, it is warty-standard
[02:29] <iapx8088> anyone can read me
[02:29] <dueyfinster> No bootable media
[02:30] <MobyTurbo> iapx8088, no, nobody can read you. ;)
[02:30] <LinuxJones> bendebian, someone else had the same problem yesterday, What filesystem types did you use ?
[02:30] <knewt> LinuxJones: i'm trying to install on a 32meg box. i've managed to create my partitions and activate the swap all from the commandline, but even with the swap activated the partitioner won't load, with the OOM appearing
[02:30] <bendebian> LinuxJones: reiserFS
[02:30] <iapx8088> MobyTurbo, marvellous. I have to fix this little problem and then i'm fine
[02:31] <website> does anybody know how to tell to grep to print line conains "foo" and not "bar"?
[02:31] <MobyTurbo> grep foo | grep -v bar
[02:31] <website> MobyTurbo, thanks
[02:31] <tkz> Is there any other place to get w32codecs besides nerim-server? That one always complains that I can't log in because only 2 connections per IP is allowed. I have tried for a month and it's always the same
[02:31] <knewt> LinuxJones: with the old-style debian installer i could just mount my partitions under /target and the installer would proceed fine, but there's no /target in the filesystem with the new stuff, so i've idea how to do it manually
[02:31] <MobyTurbo> website, there's probably a more elegant regular expression for it but that's what I do.
[02:32] <LinuxJones> knewt, you passing the custom option after boot ?
[02:32] <iapx8088> when I'm back off the hibarnation, i have to press ctrl alt del to terminate the fake server
[02:32] <knewt> LinuxJones: custom-expert
[02:32] <iapx8088> and then I'm fine and the 3d accelleration is fine
[02:32] <iapx8088> I'd like to avoid to terminate the fake server
[02:33] <jan__> hi guys
[02:33] <MobyTurbo> I'm happy to report that after a Warty kernel upgrade my nvidia card is fine, unlike most other distros which use now a kernel requiring a broken video driver...
[02:33] <MobyTurbo> I hear the problem exists in Hoary tho.
[02:33] <jan__> I just got ubuntu running
[02:34] <jan__> my first chat on linux
[02:34] <iapx8088> MobyTurbo, also mine, suspends and hibernates fine
[02:34] <MobyTurbo> jan__, congradulations
[02:34] <jan__> tks
[02:34] <LinuxJones> jan__, welcome aboard :D
[02:34] <jan__> just
[02:34] <iapx8088> (exept for the fakeX server problem
[02:34] <MobyTurbo> iapx8088, I don't know about suspending and hibernating, this is a desktop....
[02:34] <jan__> only on ethernet, WLAN is not working
[02:35] <tkz> jan__: wellcome to linux land :) I've got ubuntu running on 3 computers so far. Each with unique problems :)
[02:35] <MobyTurbo> iapx8088, though I do have a suspend button on my keyboard.
[02:35] <MobyTurbo> jan__, maybe you need ndiswrapper
[02:35] <jan__> why?
[02:35] <LinuxJones> jan__, what kind of wireless card do you have ?
[02:35] <jan__> internal in laptop
[02:35] <iapx8088> MobyTurbo, well this is a toshiba m30
[02:35] <tkz> I'm chatting over wlan right now. For me, wlan "just works"
[02:35] <jan__> cybermaxx/medion laptop
[02:35] <iapx8088> jan__, centrino I suppose
[02:36] <whaq_> while we're on the subject of notebooks... anyone know how to add them internal bluetooth modules?
[02:36] <knewt> LinuxJones: any ideas?
[02:36] <whaq_> what to buy, what interface they use?
[02:36] <LinuxJones> knewt, sorry dude no :(
[02:36] <jan__> wlan is made by intersil/prism
[02:37] <jan__> i can activate eth0 in conf but extingwish right after
[02:37] <LinuxJones> jan__, does lspci -v reveal a model number ?
[02:38] <socketbind> howdy, for some strange reason i "lost" su-to-root in /usr/sbin, how do I restore it?
[02:38] <jan__> gimme a hint how i can run lspci.
[02:38] <brianb> Got a newbie question...  I can't play a DVD in Totem.  The symlink is there between /dev/hdc and /dev/dvd, but totem doesn't recognize a DVD when I insert one.
[02:38] <socketbind> try ogle, brianb
[02:38] <jan__> just got a gui
[02:38] <socketbind> it's simple and nice
[02:38] <socketbind> though ogle's gui is a little crude
[02:38] <knewt> LinuxJones: oh well, i guess i'll just plop for woody. it's only for development purposes on this box anyway. once i've got things sorted out it's all going to be custom stuff with busybox et al on a spare 133meg drive i've got lying about
[02:38] <LinuxJones> jan__, open a gnome-terminal
[02:38] <jan__> how?
[02:39] <socketbind> brainb: sudo apt-get install ogle
[02:39] <socketbind> try if you want
[02:39] <LinuxJones> knewt, sorry wish I could help :(
[02:39] <brianb> Socketbind: Gotcha.  Will do.
[02:39] <socketbind> it is a neat and fast dvd player with full menu support
[02:39] <LinuxJones> jan__, Applications >> System Tools >> Terminal
[02:39] <socketbind> but don't say if I didn't warned you it hasn't got a gui it is an other package :D
[02:40] <jan__> mom be right back
[02:40] <socketbind> howdy, for some strange reason i "lost" su-to-root in /usr/sbin, how do I restore it?
[02:40] <iapx8088> suspend
[02:40] <tkz> brianb, try command "totem dvd://" when the dvd is mounted. I sometimes have the problem that sound does not play but sometimes it works fine
[02:40] <iapx8088> let's ssee
[02:40] <jan__> how do cut and paste in linux?
[02:40] <socketbind> any idea? for some strange reason it isn't there
[02:41] <jan__> i got notes on WLAN in lspci
[02:41] <iapx8088> ok
[02:41] <iapx8088> just fine
[02:41] <tkz> jan__, ctrl+c and ctrl-v work most of the time
[02:41] <socketbind> ctrl+c, ctrl+v but don't close the "children" application, if you want to copy from console use ctrl+shift+c
[02:41] <iapx8088> may help someone
[02:41] <socketbind> or install gnome clipboard daemon
[02:42] <iapx8088> if you experience 3d accelleration problems after the resume/suspend, put this at the end of the resume script
[02:42] <iapx8088> http://www.stanford.edu/~sanjiv/thinkpad/fakeX
[02:42] <jan__> quote
[02:42] <iapx8088> ?
[02:42] <jan__> paste not working
[02:42] <jan__> will type it all
[02:42] <iapx8088> I should addquote?
[02:42] <iapx8088> !addquote
[02:42] <tkz> how do you disable mouse movement from commanding firefox? I constantly get back to the previous page when moving mouse to the left
[02:43] <iapx8088> tkz, disable shorcuts
[02:43] <tkz> iapx8088, is that a setting in firefox ox in gnome?
[02:43] <tkz> ox=or :)
[02:44] <iapx8088> firefox
[02:44] <form_> hi
[02:44] <tkz> thanks
[02:44] <jan__> Intersil corp; unknown device 3886 (rev 01); subsystem: 17cf:
[02:44] <iapx8088> are you messing with a prism card?
[02:45] <jan__> yep
[02:45] <iapx8088> firmware update?
[02:45] <iapx8088> what
[02:45] <jan__> euh?
[02:45] <jan__> fimware updtae? where?
[02:45] <jan__> newby
[02:45] <iapx8088> jan__, what are you trying to do
[02:46] <jan__> using wlan iso ethernet
[02:46] <iapx8088> I dont' understand
[02:46] <jan__> just running ubuntu now for a few hours
[02:47] <jan__> i got the 100mb ethernet card running
[02:47] <jan__> internet also accessable
[02:47] <jan__> and now on chat
[02:47] <iapx8088> fine
[02:47] <jan__> yeah tks
[02:47] <iapx8088> are you enjoing it?
[02:47] <jan__> so far
[02:47] <jan__> now next
[02:48] <jan__> i just have gui on line
[02:48] <jan__> find out i have eth1 and eth0
[02:48] <brianb> Did anyone find that the Warty Warthog install omits some important files?
[02:48] <jan__> eth1 is running now with 100mb
[02:48] <jan__> eth0 is not active
[02:49] <jan__> when set active it goes off after a few seconds
[02:49] <jan__> dont know why
[02:49] <jan__> i have set IP-address and so on mamual
[02:50] <jan__> it worked with eth1
[02:52] <tkz> jan__, I had that problem. Turned out that after I corrected a typo on the network name, it started working
[02:52] <jan__> i check again.
[02:52] <jan__> tks
[02:52] <tkz> iapx8088, do you remember where to turn off the shortcuts in firefox. Can't find it :(
[02:53] <iapx8088> tkz, let me see
[02:53] <tkz> thanks
[02:53] <iapx8088> do you remember what was -ne in if/bash
[02:53] <iapx8088> non equel?
[02:53] <darksatanic> Numeric not equal.
[02:54] <iapx8088> thanks
[02:54] <darksatanic> See the man page for "test"
[02:56] <vpalle> whats array 4  ?
[02:56] <jdub> the latest test release of our development branch
[02:57] <vpalle> ok, thx
[02:57] <tkz> is thre another server from where I could get the w32codecs than nerim.net?
[02:57] <jan__> doublechecked the SSID , still no wlan
[02:57] <vpalle> strange naming scheme.. but what the h..
[02:58] <jdub> vpalle: hint, the release codename is 'hoary hedgehog'
[02:58] <chrissturm> vpalle: array is the codename for the hoary test cds. the other part of the name is a number that counts upwards :)
[02:59] <vpalle> hh will be out around march right? cant wait.. :)
[02:59] <chillywilly> cool, I just had my first automatic update happen
[02:59] <chillywilly> that was pretty slick people
[03:00] <chillywilly> just click on the little notification icon and bam there were updates
[03:00] <chillywilly> clicked
[03:01] <chillywilly> so is the new gnome (~2.10) going to not have the defualt desktop icons enabled? I turned them on in gconf but I was just wondering...
[03:01] <jan__> q: I using terminal now, try to login with root: msg:"you must exec "login" from the lowest level "sh"
[03:02] <jan__> what does that mean?
[03:02] <topyli> chillywilly: i think the new gnome will respect your settings
[03:03] <bob2> chillywilly: they were turned off in ubuntu gnome 2.8 anyway
[03:04] <[PoVal] Dutchy> what ftp client would you guys suggest using on linux?
[03:05] <chillywilly> I use ncftp and yafc (for ssh transfers mainly) both are command line apps ;P
[03:05] <jan__>
[03:05] <zeedo> [PoVal] Dutchy: depends what youre doing, generally I use CLI prograqms but you could use nautilus
[03:06] <vpalle> [PoVal] Dutchy, gftp
[03:06] <jan__> No utmp entry.  You must exec "login" from the lowest level "sh"
[03:06] <jan__> what does this means?
[03:06] <LinuxJones> [PoVal] Dutchy, gftp is very good
[03:06] <chillywilly> OOo 2 has the most but ugly fonts I have ever seen in my life
[03:07] <bob2> jan__: how did you get that?
[03:07] <chrissturm> how can i tell gnome-ftp to use passive mode?
[03:07] <[PoVal] Dutchy> oh right ^^ i always forget to specify "with a gui" in my linux questions :) ill try gftp
[03:07] <jan__> msg from terminal session
[03:07] <chrissturm> i have some sites that work perfectly with gftp, but not with nautilus
[03:07] <jan__> try to login as root
[03:07] <bob2> jan__: well, by default, you can't login as root
[03:07] <bob2> but that wouldn't give that error
[03:07] <bob2> ask on the list, I guess
[03:07] <jan__> ??
[03:08] <jan__> can I change the default somehow?
[03:08] <bob2> er, please read the FAQ
[03:08] <jan__> where?
[03:08] <bob2> but that doesn't explain the error
[03:08] <iapx8088> bob2, the same bob2 I used to know on debian?
[03:09] <bob2> jan__: read the channel topic
[03:09] <bob2> iapx8088: yes
[03:09] <chillywilly> hmmm, it's like OOo uses my gnome fonts, theme, and such but OOo 2 does not
[03:09] <iapx8088> bob2, nice to see you here
[03:09] <chillywilly> hence it looks like crap
[03:12] <Lethorion> hi, I just dist-upgraded to haory, and now I can't seem to get X running.. it dosn't give any error messages it just dosn't start... but it seems like xfree86 is still there... can that be the problem?
[03:13] <Lethorion> it was hehe
[03:14] <iapx8088> tell me a thing see this bash script
[03:14] <iapx8088> http://rafb.net/paste/results/GSa5PC28.html
[03:14] <iapx8088> how it can be that it keeps turning the lamp on and off
[03:14] <iapx8088> to me it means the two outer ifs are both true
[03:15] <iapx8088> but can't understand why
[03:15] <Derp> How can I install audiosupport in Ubuntu ?
[03:16] <Derp> + make decoders like MP3, 2, 1, Divx, ( Xvid ), Ogg work.
[03:16] <martinal> Derp: what version of ubuntu are you using?
[03:16] <iapx8088> bob2, any idea?
[03:17] <Derp> The latest one.
[03:17] <Derp> @ martinal .
[03:17] <martinal> yes
[03:17] <martinal> fully upgraded to latest packages?
[03:17] <martinal> is this hoary or warty?
[03:17] <Derp> Warty.
[03:17] <martinal> well how the hell is that the 'latest one' then. jesus
[03:18] <martinal> anyway
[03:18] <Derp> Oh lol. I just downloaded the latest one, I thought. XD
[03:18] <martinal> it should just work. there is a tickbox for it somewhere, look for hte option to 'start sound server'
[03:18] <Derp> Btw, is there a tutorial available that explains this in full detail ?
[03:19] <Derp> I do appreciate your help, but I am on a Windows system now..
[03:19] <martinal> it's in preferences --> sound i believe
[03:20] <martinal> it's very simple, you just need to check the box and it should all work. it also comes with ogg codecs, but u will need to install the mp3 and xvid/divx ones
[03:27] <[m0rph] > hi, can someone help me with nautilus-cd-burner? It still doesn't work under hoary
[03:31] <Slaven> I think I need to upgrade to xorg after all
[03:31] <robodex> is there any way to upgrade to xorg without upgrading to hoary?
[03:31] <Slaven> my question exactly.
[03:32] <robodex> last time I upgraded to hoary it screwed my resolution up and I lost sound :S
[03:32] <Slaven> I want to know the safest possible way upgrading to xorg. I wanna be able to go back and use xfree86 if xorg fails.
[03:32] <jdub> robodex: no
[03:32] <jdub> Slaven: xorg should not fail
[03:32] <Slaven> Cedega is giving me segmentation faults on some games :(
[03:33] <robodex> :S
[03:33] <Slaven> jdub: I've heard many say it does. And it did for me on Gentoo.
[03:33] <Mantle> alright i FINALLY got my wireless card working in ubuntu
[03:33] <jdub> Slaven: gentoo is not an entirely useful benchmark.
[03:33] <chillywilly> bah, my printer doesn't work...I print the job and it just sits there
[03:33] <Slaven> ok, ok...
[03:34] <Slaven> question: is xfree86 still available through the ubuntu repositories in hoary?
[03:35] <chillywilly> oh, it's working
[03:35] <chillywilly> yay
[03:35] <Benjamin_L> where do i suggest translation improvements ? "verteilte ordner" for shared folders just doesn't sound right
[03:45] <niptac> is anyone using jigdo to download hoary?
[03:48] <da_bon_bon> so, anyone tried array4 ?
[03:49] <Mantle> i'm using it
[03:49] <martinal> what is the best new feautre of gnome 2.10?
[03:49] <da_bon_bon> Mantle: ok, is it stable, smooth ?
[03:50] <ZorroBytes> martinal: a new gnome-service "Make Me A Cup Of Tea Now."
[03:50] <ZorroBytes> it's pretty nifty.
[03:50] <Mantle> it's hard locked on me a few times
[03:50] <Mantle> but sound works and so does wirless net
[03:50] <Benjamin_L> i like hoary, if only fglrx drivers would work
[03:51] <tremor> martinal: totem
[03:51] <da_bon_bon> Mantle: would u say its worth downloading ?
[03:51] <ZorroBytes> I would say it's worth a go
[03:51] <Mantle> not unless something is terribly broken in warty
[03:51] <ZorroBytes> But, as Mantle says, if you're happy with warty then wait until Hoary is final.
[03:52] <tremor> Gnome 2.10 sneak peek --> http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-10/
[03:52] <Mantle> i'm liking this x-chat client more than mirc
[03:52] <ZorroBytes> mantle: me too.
[03:53] <da_bon_bon> ZorroBytes: why not use bochs ?
[03:53] <tremor> i gave ubuntu a try on my centrino notebook, never seen a smoother install
[03:53] <Mantle> isn't bochs like super super slow?
[03:54] <ZorroBytes> da_bon_bon: no reason, just that vmware seems to feel "better" at the moment.
[03:54] <ZorroBytes> bochs is slow as well.
[03:54] <Mantle> i'm really happy with the default setup of ubuntu too, got every program i need and none that i don't
[03:54] <da_bon_bon> Mantle: it has any cd burning tool not that autilus.
[03:54] <da_bon_bon> *nautilus
[03:54] <da_bon_bon> Mantle: bochs is super slow, only if u dont configure it properly.
[03:54] <Mantle> i dunno about cdburning at all, i barely do it in windows
[03:54] <ZorroBytes> It was missing a few things for me on a default install, but adding universe to my sources.list helped.
[03:55] <da_bon_bon> ZorroBytes: which cd burning prog. u use ?
[03:55] <Mantle> in fact the only cds i've burned ever are 4 live cds in the last 2 days
[03:55] <Benjamin_L> does anyone here know how i can get a "open terminal here" option to nautilus, i don't understnad nautilus scripts at the moment
[03:55] <tremor> yeah, cd burning is still a problem in gnome, there are a lot of "almost there" apps
[03:55] <tremor> but nothing like k3b
[03:55] <da_bon_bon> Mantle: which ?
[03:56] <da_bon_bon> tremor: even i love k3b
[03:56] <Mantle> da_bon_bon, knoppix, beatrix, warty, hoary
[03:56] <Mantle> i think i'll stick beatrix on my grandma's computer
[03:57] <Mantle> ie my old P120
[03:57] <ZorroBytes> benjamin: http://g-scripts.sourceforge.net/
[03:57] <ZorroBytes> look a bit down the page.
[03:57] <vortec> hi, is prism compiled into the ubuntu kernel?
[03:57] <da_bon_bon> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IdeaPool shows two cd burning apps. hope they find place in warty.
[03:57] <da_bon_bon> Mantle: and the nest is ?
[03:57] <da_bon_bon> *best
[03:57] <tremor> i refuse to install k3b :) i don't want any kde/qt stuff on my pc
[03:58] <ZorroBytes> ben: http://g-scripts.sourceforge.net/nautilus-scripts/Execute/terminal-here
[03:58] <da_bon_bon> tremor: i like kde muccchh more than gnome
[03:58] <xareum> I've installed mldonkey-server and sancho gui and when i run sancho, this says than can't conect to the core. What's happen? (sorry for my english)
[03:59] <Mantle> da_bon_bon, so far i'm liking hoary best, simply because there are too many broken things in warty/beatrix
[03:59] <Xappe> tremor, well, first I contaminaded with Valknut...and then...and then... ;)
[03:59] <da_bon_bon> OMG! gnome-ppp is a direct kppp rip!
[03:59] <Mantle> i think i just like gnome better than kde
[04:00] <Mantle> knoppix is quite good in terms of everything functioning out of the box tho
[04:00] <robodex> I haven't found too much wrong with warty except for some random crashes in GNOME
[04:00] <robodex> but I'm using xfce now :P
[04:00] <da_bon_bon> kde has so many great apps which gnome doesnt
[04:00] <Xappe> what can the WM:s choose? :)
[04:01] <robodex> the only think Linux doesn't have is native support for anything except ISOs :(
[04:01] <robodex> (when it comes to cd images)
[04:01] <da_bon_bon> fuck! gnomebaker is a k3b rip off! damn it, cant gnome guys /innovate/ for god sake ?
[04:01] <ZorroBytes> da_bon_bon: calm down!
[04:01] <Xappe> check out graveman
[04:01] <robodex> oh no!  It must be a ripoff of k3b!
[04:02] <robodex> they also used ICONS and WINDOWS! CURSE YOU, GNOME!
[04:02] <ZorroBytes> oh my good! k3b exists! it must be a rip-off of NERO!
[04:02] <sir_hellis> I get this massage when i try to run device manager "make sure that the hald service is running. How can check tah ?
[04:02] <robodex> except nero's better because it supports more than one type of image file ;)
[04:02] <ZorroBytes> robodex: tee hee
[04:03] <robodex> but I can't get nero to run properly in wine :(
[04:03] <Benjamin_L> ZorroBytes, i chmodded it with +x put it in ~/.gnome/nautilus-scripts and restarted nautilus, still don't see it, am I doing something wrong ?
[04:03] <da_bon_bon> Xappe: link, please ?
[04:03] <da_bon_bon> ZorroBytes: but i hope ubuntu has gnome-ppp and gnomebaker
[04:03] <rajasun> hmmm all of us here speaks/types English and so we are but the copycats of others who have known the English langauge before us...funny logic eh? ;-)
[04:04] <rajasun> ZorroBytes: msg sates type or/and speaks English...you type in English ;-)
[04:04] <ZorroBytes> ben: <shrug>
[04:04] <sir_hellis> Anybody know how to fix the hald service problem. i know it is running but the system tells me it's not
[04:05] <ZorroBytes> ben: I'll have a shot. hang on.
[04:05] <da_bon_bon> anyway, bye all, meet ya guys later.
[04:06] <sir_hellis> Can anyone help me with the hald problem ?
[04:08] <will> sir_hellis: what problem is that?
[04:10] <deang> Woohoo!! Another Live CD Success!! P3/500, intel mobo.
[04:11] <sir_hellis> i can not acsess device manager i keep getting the massege "make sure hald is running" but wen i restart  i can acsess devise manager but after 2-2 hours i get the massage again when i try to start device manager
[04:12] <Frafraxy> hi
[04:12] <Frafraxy> for install the ati driver with xorg?
[04:13] <zenwhen> zuh
[04:14] <ZorroBytes> ben
[04:14] <ZorroBytes> you there/
[04:14] <ZorroBytes> ?
[04:14] <Benjamin_L> sure
[04:14] <ZorroBytes> okay, figured it out.
[04:15] <ZorroBytes> put the file in .gnome2
[04:15] <ZorroBytes> nautilus-scripts
[04:15] <ZorroBytes> then visit the directory in nautilus
[04:15] <Benjamin_L> argg i used gnome ...
[04:15] <Benjamin_L> stupid me ^^
[04:15] <ZorroBytes> for it to know about it, then you can right click on a file and see the script.
[04:15] <ZorroBytes> .
[04:15] <sir_hellis> will, I get the massage when i try to acsess dvice manager "make sure that the hald is running" but usually when i reboot i can acsess device manager
[04:15] <Mantle> ok this is dumb... i can't launch any apps through the application > system tools menu
[04:16] <Benjamin_L> thx ZorroBytes
[04:16] <Mantle> is there a GUI process manager?
[04:16] <Mantle> or task manager
[04:16] <Anubis> too many
[04:17] <Mantle> i mean, is there a default one
[04:17] <Mantle> what's it called
[04:18] <Mantle> hmm... i can't ctrl-alt-f2 into a tty... no response...
[04:18] <Mantle> i'm stuck in X.. yay
[04:18] <ZorroBytes> there's always ctrl+alt+backspace
[04:19] <Mantle> can i resume my session though?
[04:19] <Mantle> or is that just an escape
[04:19] <ZorroBytes> don't think so - it kills X completely.
[04:19] <ZorroBytes> then gdm restarts and hay-presto! you're back
[04:19] <Mantle> but all my work is lost?
[04:19] <ZorroBytes> do you have another machine?
[04:19] <Mantle> nope
[04:19] <ZorroBytes> okay, let's see what we can do then.
[04:20] <Mantle> it's no big deal, i have no real work to lose
[04:23] <sir_hellis> how can i restart hald ?
[04:24] <namaste> hi, when i try to modprobe ndiswrapper, i get the following error message: "FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Invalid module format". how can i fix that?
[04:25] <sir_hellis> install linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386
[04:26] <Frafraxy> excuseme
[04:26] <Frafraxy> for install ati drivers on hoary
[04:26] <Frafraxy> how i must to do?
[04:26] <iapx8088> mmh
[04:26] <iapx8088> maybe they are in linux-restricted.
[04:27] <namaste> sir_hellis, guess i have to reboot now?
[04:27] <Frafraxy> i try to install ati-driver but it need xfree
[04:27] <sir_hellis> namaste: yes
[04:27] <namaste> thanks
[04:28] <Xappe> Frafraxy, xorg-driver-fglrx
[04:28] <danilo> Frafraxy: install xorg-driver-fglrx
[04:29] <Frafraxy> thanks
[04:30] <sir_hellis> anyone know how to restart hal ?
[04:30] <blah09> is there anyway to check wireless speed in linux?
[04:31] <Frafraxy> then install the ati driver what i must to do?
[04:31] <sir_hellis> blah09,  gkrellm
[04:31] <Xappe> Frafraxy, then you can follow the ATI howto on the forum
[04:31] <Frafraxy> thanks
[04:31] <danilo> Frafraxy: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Select the fglrx driver and leave everything else as it is.
[04:31] <blah09> i need to apt-get that right
[04:31] <Docta> Hey there, what package in the ubuntu universe/multiverse supplies the glut headers?
[04:31] <sir_hellis> blah09, yeh
[04:32] <WW> Hello world.
[04:32] <blah09> is it just me or is wifi in linux slower?
[04:32] <blah09> i normally can stream divx over the network
[04:32] <sir_hellis> blah09, Are you using ndiswrapper ?
[04:32] <WW> Apt experts: What command can I use to list the packages that I have installed from a specific repository?
[04:33] <iapx8088> I wonder if any
[04:33] <blah09> nope
[04:33] <danilo> WW: which repository?
[04:33] <blah09> ipw2100
[04:33] <blah09> the ones that came with ubuntu anyway
[04:34] <WW> danilo: warty-backports
[04:34] <Frafraxy> what post exactly?
[04:35] <danilo> WW: let me think...
[04:35] <Frafraxy> for ati driver on hoary?
[04:35] <namaste> sir_hellis, it doesn't work still
[04:35] <Jack> little help if possible: i'm geting an error message with my ./configure for fontconfig: Cannot find usable expat library. This could mean that your version is too old. What am i missing?I already installed a new version of expat
[04:36] <Xappe> Frafraxy, the warty guide should do just fine
[04:36] <danilo> Frafraxy: did you select the 'fglrx' driver? If so, just restart X
[04:36] <Frafraxy> i don't edit anything?
[04:36] <sir_hellis> namaste, What do you mean ?
[04:36] <danilo> WW: try with aptitude search '~i~Owarty-backports'
[04:37] <Xappe> but he also needs to tweak his xorg.conf a bit more than just changing 'ati' to 'fglrx' I guess
[04:37] <danilo> Frafraxy: the first (or second) screen lets you choose the video driver. Just change that and leave everything else as it is.
[04:37] <blah09> sir_hellis, about gkrellm, can i have it dock to the side like a panel?
[04:37] <danilo> Xappe: for me, it just works this way :-)
[04:38] <Xappe> danilo, how about 'xv' and such?
[04:38] <sir_hellis> blah09, yes
[04:38] <namaste> sir_hellis, the modprobe ndiswrapper problem
[04:38] <sir_hellis> namaste,  Fire Up synaptic or whatever you like to use and update your repository.Install the packages "ndiswrapper-utils" and "linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386"
[04:39] <namaste> uh, it says invalid driver on ndiswrapper -l.
[04:39] <WW> danilo: That didn't seem to work.  I have firefox installed from backports, but that command showed nothing.
[04:39] <danilo> Xappe: I don't have it enabled because it's buggy
[04:39] <Xappe> well, you need it for tvtime and MPlayer
[04:39] <danilo> WW: hmm... just look at the aptitude README, section about searching
[04:40] <Xappe> hmm, maybe not MPlayer
[04:40] <Xappe> but tvtime
[04:40] <danilo> Xappe: I use simple x11 for mplayer. When I tried to use xv (enabled it in the config), it was... er.. shaky
[04:40] <WW> danilo: Thanks for the attempt.  I'll take a look at more aptitude options.  I also looked at apt-show-versions, and apt-cache, but I couldn't find quite what I wanted.
[04:41] <Xappe> danilo, no problems with xv here
[04:41] <Frafraxy> hi
[04:41] <Frafraxy> i've installed ati driver for xorg
[04:41] <Xappe> and tvtime won't run without it
[04:41] <Frafraxy> but agp doesn't work
[04:41] <danilo> WW: usually different repos have different Release files: the Origin tag (which *should* be there) is used to tell one from another
[04:41] <danilo> Xappe: i'm glad for you, that xv works :)
[04:42] <Xappe> danilo ;)
[04:42] <danilo> Xappe: maybe I just have to retry with Xorg
[04:42] <Xappe> you have to enable video overlay
[04:42] <namaste> can anyone help me? i'm trying to install my wlan-card which i have to plug into my laptop. i guess the problems starts at linux not recognizing the card as the light "link" on it doesn't light
[04:42] <danilo> Frafraxy: have u installed linux-restricted-modules ?
[04:43] <danilo> Xappe: I'll try
[04:43] <sir_hellis> namaste, sudo ndiswrapper -i DEVICEDRIVER.INF # this tells ndiswrapper whan proprietary windows driver files to use.
[04:43] <sir_hellis> sudo modprobe ndiswrapper #this loads the driver into the running kernel.
[04:43] <sir_hellis> sudo ndiswrapper -l #this tells ndiswrapper to tell you what you have running.
[04:43] <namaste> yes i tried that
[04:44] <Frafraxy> danilo, no, i've not installed it
[04:44] <namaste> but when i do ndiswrapper -l it says "invalid driver"
[04:44] <Xappe> Frafraxy, then you should
[04:45] <namaste> sir_hellis, http://rafb.net/paste/results/JXyQaN95.html
[04:45] <sir_hellis> namaste, you also have to copy over the .sys file in to the directory where the other windows driver files are
[04:45] <namaste> oh, ok lemme try
[04:45] <Duck_busy> jordi: here ?
[04:46] <namaste> sir_hellis, "gplus   driver present, hardware present" :))
[04:47] <sir_hellis> namaste, :) good
[04:47] <Duck_busy> sjoerd: coin ?
[04:47] <namaste> but still:
[04:47] <namaste> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Invalid module format
[04:48] <namaste> even tried ndiswrapper -m
[04:49] <Hannes_> namaste: wrong ndiswrapper
[04:49] <Duck_busy> anyone working at the python 2.4 transition ?
[04:49] <Hannes_> try with the .10
[04:49] <Hannes_> and not with .12
[04:49] <Hannes_> if in warty
[04:49] <HaloGray> I got the invalid format issue when using a driver from the wrong source
[04:50] <namaste> Hannes_, which one should i use?
[04:50] <Mantle> ZorroBytes: i had to hard reboot and then when i finally got back in i couln't get the wireless to work again =(
[04:51] <suzan_> help! in my gnome-menu suddenly some startes dissapeared! if i open nautilus and type "applications:///" they are still there. what went wrong?
[04:52] <Hannes_> namaste: in warty 0.10 and in hoary 0.12
[04:53] <namaste> uff. i'm not really into apt-get, i have warty, how can i install version 0.10 ?
[04:53] <namaste> i did a apt-get update && apt-get install ndiswrapper before though
[04:54] <topyli> suzan_: right click on the panel, add Menu bar
[04:54] <danilo> suzan_: have you just upgraded some packages?
[04:54] <suzan_> yes
[04:54] <suzan_> the security-patches
[04:54] <sir_hellis> namaste, use the synaptic package mananger
[04:55] <danilo> suzan_: well, log out and re-log in... the Gnome panel doesn't play well with upgrades
[04:55] <suzan_> i've logged out and in and nothing changed
[04:55] <suzan_> very strange
[04:55] <topyli> suzan_: did you try to put the menu bar back there?
[04:56] <suzan_> the menu bar ist still there, but some single starters dissapear. that one, i put manually in the menu.
[04:57] <marcin_ant> danilo: better way is to kill gnome-panel and wait for respawn
[04:57] <suzan_> in applications:/// they are still
[04:57] <topyli> hmm.
[04:58] <sir_hellis> suzan_, You could try temporarily getting a different window manager and using that in GNOME. (XFWM4 is a popular choice.)
[04:59] <topyli> i don't think the window manager handles the gnome menu :)
[04:59] <suzan_> i don't think either
[04:59] <suzan_> in nautilus the startes are still there
[04:59] <ZorroBytes> you know what's neat about gnome?
[05:00] <ZorroBytes> Just a funky feature
[05:00] <ZorroBytes> but if you have a window maximised and you click on the title bar and drag it down the window becomes unmaximised!!!
[05:00] <danilo> marcin_ant: I never bother... I laungh everything from a term if needed ;-)
[05:01] <topyli> ZorroBytes: hey, that's very cool! i've never noticed :)
[05:02] <marcin_ant> danilo: laungh?
[05:02] <Jack> sorry, a question: how do I install a downloaded package with apt?
[05:02] <suzan_> it's so strange because that happened so suddenly .. yesterday i think
[05:02] <tux> lo
[05:02] <topyli> ZorroBytes: here's another one: hold down shift while dragging from the menu bar. the window docks to window edges or nearest windows
[05:02] <tux> getting an openssl error
[05:02] <tux> i get this ..
[05:03] <tux> checking for main in -lcrypto... no
[05:03] <tux> configure: error: OpenSSL crypto library missing.
[05:03] <suzan_> AND the thing is, i cannot edit any starters to the gnome men. i can only see them in applications:///
[05:03] <tux> but i have openssl installed, anyone any recommendations ?
[05:04] <housetier> Jack, if you downloaded the package and have the file on your filesystem you use "dpkg" not apt
[05:05] <housetier> Jack, its just like resiak told you: "dpkg -i /path/to/the/package.deb"
[05:05] <Jack> and the sys will detected when I try to install a program that depends on that package with apt?
[05:05] <housetier> Jack, now tell us which problem you are trying to solve
[05:06] <jaza> hi
[05:06] <Jack> from the beginning: i'm trying to instal emelfm. Tnx to your help i've managed find the "apt-get install emelfm", but it needs libglib1.2, so i'm trying to dowload it and see what hapands
[05:07] <housetier> Jack, apt-get install emelfm should download and install all necessary packages by itself. now, did you get an error message from apt-get?
[05:07] <Benjamin_L> is there a way to go amd64 -> i386 without reinstalling ?
[05:08] <Jack> yes
[05:08] <jaza> i just changed my ubuntu login screen theme and it doesnt work, instead i have to startx in console to get into ubuntu and i cant find the ubuntu login screen thing that was in computer sys config or desk pref its gone how do i change to default login screen?
[05:08] <Jack> the message: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[05:08] <Jack>   emelfm: Depends: libglib1.2 (>= 1.2.0) but it is not installable
[05:08] <Jack>           Depends: libgtk1.2 (>= 1.2.10-4) but it is not installable
[05:08] <housetier> Jack, do you have warty or hoary?
[05:08] <Jack> warty
[05:08] <namaste> ok, i've installed ndiswrapper 0.10, but on modprobe ndiswrapper it hangs itself up
[05:09] <namaste> even a kill -9 pid didn't help
[05:09] <housetier> oh je... "not installable" haven't had that in a long time
[05:09] <topyli> Jack: there's libglib1.2-<IP_ADDRESS> and it's very much installable. do you have universe enabled?
[05:09] <housetier> ah there we go
[05:10] <topyli> Jack: oh, and it's in main, not universe
[05:10] <Jack> sorry, lost me with the universe?
[05:10] <topyli> Jack: never mind. it's in main
[05:11] <topyli> Jack: universe=extra packages, unsupported
[05:11] <Jack> nope
[05:11] <AndyR> what about galaxy? :)
[05:11] <topyli> AndyR: we do have multiverse :)
[05:12] <Jack> basicly: it's not installable?
[05:12] <topyli> Jack: dunno, but i for one have it installed right now
[05:12] <namaste> ... anyone?
[05:12] <Jack> that's good to hear :)
[05:13] <Jack> well, i'll work on it a while longer before i give up. Tnx everyone in anycase :)
[05:13] <topyli> i installed emelfm  for sports now, and it went without any problem
[05:14] <Jack> i simply don't know
[05:14] <topyli> did you do apt-get update?
[05:14] <Jack> just a sec
[05:14] <tja> why archive.ubuntu.com doesn't allow rsync-connections anymore?
[05:14] <Jack> did it. Nothing changed
[05:15] <Jack> i'm missing the libglib & libgtk
[05:15] <MobyTurbo> Jack, maybe you should add universe and see what happens.
[05:15] <topyli> Jack: theoretically, they might be uninstallable right now, but were ok when i installed them...
[05:16] <MobyTurbo> hmm, they are in apt-cache here too.
[05:16] <Jack> ok dudes, i'm off to work out your suggestions, i'll get back with the news (hopfuly good ones)
[05:17] <I_Need_Help> mplayer is not installing
[05:17] <housetier> Jack, have you tried to install liglib and libgtk by other means before?
[05:17] <housetier> Jack, maybe via dpkg -i or so?
[05:17] <Jack> nope
[05:17] <Jack> will try anything at the moment
[05:18] <topyli> I_Need_Help: yeah, marillat's repository seems to be broken. he follows debian so it was bound to happen
[05:18] <housetier> Jack, was that the whole error message?
[05:18] <Jack> yes
[05:18] <sir_hellis> why can't linux show the JPG pictures why do the have to be JPEG, i have a 100 pic wich are in JPG formate. how can i see them
[05:18] <Jack> i'll cpy/pst it again
[05:18] <housetier> Jack, no!
[05:19] <Jack> ok
[05:19] <housetier> we all have it in our logs
[05:19] <topyli> sir_hellis: "linux" doesn't care what the files are called
[05:19] <iapx8088> in a samba mount, to have it writable to the user of the group disk, i have to set an umask
[05:19] <tja> any archive managers around???
[05:19] <iapx8088> ark, file roller?
[05:20] <tja> no, I mean admins ;)
[05:20] <AndyR> both ops in here are i think
[05:20] <sir_hellis> how can i display my jpg images in gimp ?
[05:20] <housetier> Jack, when you "apt-get install libglib1.2" whats the error message?
[05:20] <tja> archive.ubuntu.com somehow doesn't allow rsync-connections anymore..
[05:20] <housetier> don't forget the sudo
[05:21] <tja> says max connections reached
[05:21] <AndyR> busy then
[05:21] <tja> hard to maintain a mirror
[05:21] <topyli> sir_hellis: right click on them, choose open in application, enter "gimp" to the box
[05:21] <sir_hellis> when i rename them to jpeg, yhen i canm display them with gimp but not JPG
[05:21] <MobyTurbo> tja, there's probably your answer
[05:21] <sladen> sir_hellis: Unix file names are case-sensitive
[05:21] <tja> but it worked fine couple of days ago..
[05:21] <Jack> didn't forget sudo, i'm ni the root accoutn. Just another error message for the  libglib1.2
[05:21] <AndyR> tja, it too busy then i would say
[05:22] <sladen> tja: I think archive.ubuntu only allows a /certian number/ of rsync connections
[05:22] <sir_hellis> oh..does that mean i have to change all those JPG napes into JPEG ?
[05:22] <tja> now regardless of the time it is full
[05:22] <tja> sladen: yes, 15 connections
[05:22] <housetier> Jack, yes error messages can be important as they sometimes tell us what's wrong
[05:22] <MobyTurbo> sir_hellis, not with capitals, try lowers.
[05:22] <Jack> ....
[05:23] <Jack> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[05:23] <Jack> is only available from another source
[05:23] <sir_hellis> i have over 600 images, is there another metode ?
[05:23] <MobyTurbo> sir_hellis, although Linux doesn't always go by file name, when it does it usually prefers lower case.
[05:23] <Jack> Package libglib1.2 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:23] <MobyTurbo> sir_hellis, convert them at the command line. "rename" can do it.
[05:24] <marcin_ant>  /whois tja
[05:25] <tux4> hi, all! please, can someone help me? i tried last three live cds and with none of them i could connect to internet... i have cable connection a it works on win with dhcp.. any thoughts?
[05:25] <housetier> Jack, what does "apt-cache policy libglib1.2" show? if its longer you can use a paste bot so nothing gets lost
[05:25] <tja> marcin_ant: nobody ;)
[05:25] <marcin_ant> tja: sorry
[05:25] <tja> heh
[05:25] <marcin_ant> tja: just learning ;)
[05:25] <FLeiXiuS> tux4: lmao
[05:25] <Jack> libglib1.2:
[05:25] <Jack>   Installed: (none)
[05:25] <Jack>   Candidate: (none)
[05:25] <Jack>   Version Table:
[05:25] <sir_hellis> The filename "P1230483.JPG" indicates that this file is of type "JPG document". The contents of the file indicate that the file is of type "JPEG image". If you open this file, the file might present a security risk to your system. WTF
[05:25] <FLeiXiuS> i thought this channel wuld actually be pretty mature, guess not.
[05:26] <sir_hellis> MobyTurbo, how can i rename the all in text command ?
[05:27] <MobyTurbo> sir_hellis, man rename.
[05:27] <housetier> Jack, could you send me your /etc/apt/sources.list please
[05:28] <Piero> query |QuaD-_
[05:29] <Jack> housetier, are you getting anything?
[05:29] <sir_hellis> MobyTurbo, i am new to linux could you give me the hole command. i have JPG wich i would like them to be jpeg.
[05:29] <housetier> Jack, I am not, the connection cannot be established
[05:29] <Jack> ?
[05:30] <MobyTurbo> sir_hellis, read the rename manual as I mentioned, the command you need is right in there.
[05:30] <housetier> Jack, try this paste bot here: http://rafb.net/paste/  (now you also know what a paste bot is)
[05:30] <ZorroBytes> Hi again everyone. Does anyone know of a *simple* (as in I'm hair-brained) way of editing the menus /
[05:31] <mindphasr> ZorroBytes: Hoary or Warty?
[05:31] <iapx8088> there's a menu editor
[05:31] <ZorroBytes> Hunting around for vfolders and .desktop-willy-nilly is not doing my mind any favours
[05:31] <ZorroBytes> mindphasr: hoarrrrrrrrrry
[05:31] <ZorroBytes> if there is a menu editor in warty, what's the package name and I'l apppppppppt-get it.
[05:31] <mindphasr> ZorroBytes: There is no GUI menu editing for Gnome2.8. Youll have to wait till gnome includes one
[05:31] <ZorroBytes> *aarrrrrrrrgh*
[05:32] <ZorroBytes> #@~&!"*!"*!"^"
[05:32] <Jack> done, dough i just saw my self ...
[05:32] <mindphasr> ZorroBytes: You're using a development branch. There is in warty
[05:32] <Docta> what ubuntu package supplies the libglut headers?
[05:32] <housetier> Jack, where is the url? :)
[05:33] <mindphasr> Docta: libglut3-dev
[05:33] <Jack> http://rafb.net/paste/results/rIfPU934.html
[05:33] <Jack> sorry
[05:33] <Docta> mindphasr, apparently that has no installation candidate
[05:34] <mindphasr> Docta: You may have to add universide to repositories
[05:34] <Docta> universide?
[05:34] <mindphasr> universe
[05:34] <Docta> I've got that  :(
[05:34] <Docta> and multiverse
[05:34] <housetier> Jack, uncomment those lines starting with deb and deb-src and you should be fine
[05:34] <Jack> working ...
[05:34] <mindphasr> Warty?
[05:35] <Docta> mindphasr, yeah
[05:35] <mindphasr> Docta: ahh, I have it in hoary
[05:35] <mindphasr> Docta: apt-cache search libglut
[05:35] <Docta> I used to have it in warty, but i've downgraded amd64 -> i386 and it no longer has it
[05:35] <housetier> uncomment, save, apt-get update, apt-get install emelfm
[05:36] <akurashy> where can i find eggdrop conf file? i installed it but i cant find it =/
[05:36] <Jack> he's actully  doint something :)
[05:36] <Timbo> so er, at the risk of FAQing.. all my gnome icons have been replaced by little notes, the cursors are the default X cursors
[05:36] <Timbo> and my theme is the default gnome theme
[05:36] <Timbo> after a dist-upgrade on hoary
[05:36] <Timbo> what's up?
[05:37] <Xappe> yepp, something happened with the gnome themes this friday
[05:37] <Timbo> hmm
[05:37] <Jack> it'll take time, but i figure i'm on the right road :)
[05:37] <Timbo> i had the same thing happen on debian a while back, but i can't remember what fixed it
[05:37] <Jack> tnx housetier
[05:37] <darkx> i was so happy the dist upgrade to hoary fixed my gdm probs
[05:37] <Timbo> i seem to remember it had something to do with mime types
[05:38] <AndyR> not sure if im still here after update
[05:38] <Xappe> Timbo, the problem came with an update, so hopefullt it'll be fixed soon
[05:39] <Timbo> yeah
[05:39] <housetier> Jack, you might want to check out synaptic soon, its a nice graphical package manager
[05:39] <Timbo> synaptic has come on leaps and bounds since i last used it in debian
[05:39] <Timbo> the user interface used to be very confusing
[05:39] <Jack> found out about it while talking right now
[05:40] <Jack> will check it out in detail
[05:40] <Xappe> synaptic is the way to go for new users, and it beats the crap out of the rpm managers i've used
[05:40] <Docta> mindphasr, er, sorry I was being retarded  :(
[05:49] <iapx8088> scite is not opening a php file when I associate it throught the menu
[05:49] <iapx8088> maybe I should add a %what
[05:49] <iapx8088> scite %u
[05:49] <iapx8088> scite %f
[05:49] <iapx8088> what
[05:51] <blah09> is ubuntu supposed to automount usb thumbdrives?
[05:51] <iapx8088> yea
[05:52] <blah09> hm, it doesnt for me for some reason
[05:52] <blah09> maybe its due to those hotplug errors i get during startup
[05:53] <iapx8088> ehci_hcd?
[05:53] <iapx8088> shcp_hcd
[05:53] <iapx8088> random_hw?
[05:53] <blah09> how do i tell?
[05:53] <blah09> i think e and s are mentioned in lsmod
[05:53] <blah09> e and u
[05:53] <iapx8088> maybe you are just reading those
[05:54] <blah09> is there a way to playback the bootup messages?
[05:54] <njan> blah09, dmesg
[05:55] <njan> blah09, or dmesg |more :)
[05:56] <blah09> are those all system logs?
[05:56] <sir_hellis>  sudo mount -t vfat -o uid=jrennie /dev/sda1 /media/usb
[05:56] <sir_hellis> If this doesn't work, try `sdb1' in place of `sda1'. Replace
[05:56] <sir_hellis> `/media/usb' with whereever you want the device to be mounted.
[05:56] <erik__> why does zsnes lag on a 450 Mhz @ Ubuntu??
[05:56] <sir_hellis> Oh, and change 'jrennie' to your own user id...
[05:56] <blah09> yeah that works, but it doesnt mount automagically =(
[05:57] <sir_hellis> it does for me
[05:58] <blah09> is there a script somewhere that i can edit so that it mounts the thing automatically?
[05:59] <anguila> hi
[06:00] <trace> Hello room
[06:02] <trace> I have a ymf715 audio chip in my laptop and I can't get sound enabled under warty...can someone help me?
[06:02] <iapx8088> it's kernel supported?
[06:02] <trace> the spec say its sbpro compat
[06:03] <iapx8088> trace, loading the sbpro compatibile module by modprobe says?
[06:03] <trace> I'm a new how do I do that?
[06:04] <anguila> I have two partition in my hd, in hda1 winxp and in hda2 ubuntu, i have grub configured correctly, i have tittle winxp, root hd(0,0), makeactive, chainloader +1, but when I reboot the system and grub it's loaded I choose winxp and the grub reply: root (hd0,0) file system type unknown, partition type 0x7 savedefaul makeactive chainloader +1, and doesn't load windows, any can help me to be able to boot the win partition?
[06:04] <iapx8088> trace, do you know the name of the right module?
[06:05] <kent> does any one know of a program that prints dvd-covers?
[06:05] <trace> I'm just moving to linux for win 2000....what module would I be lookig for???
[06:05] <SirPsy> how can i get rid of the virtual desktop so when i change my screen reso the desktop will fit the screen
[06:05] <iapx8088> trace wait
[06:06] <iapx8088> anguila, maybe root (hd0,0) not hd(0,0)
[06:06] <iapx8088> trace why a dcc?
[06:06] <trace> ok
[06:06] <trace> 4 a direct chat
[06:06] <iapx8088> maybe would be polite to ask before
[06:07] <trace> lol...sorry
[06:07] <iapx8088> anyway, being sbpro says nothing about the right module to load
[06:07] <iapx8088> did you google a bit?
[06:08] <trace> I found all the address to set it up..
[06:08] <trace> the irq and dmas
[06:08] <iapx8088> ?
[06:08] <anguila> iapx8088, yes yes, root(hd0,0), I have this in menu.list, it's my mistake :P
[06:08] <iapx8088> anguila, can't say what's wrong.
[06:09] <anguila> I don't undesrtand why i cannot boot win -_-
[06:09] <iapx8088> weird
[06:10] <iapx8088> trace, what does it say lspci?
[06:10] <trace> one sec...
[06:10] <trace> it says :
[06:10] <trace> 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 430TX - 82439TX MTXC (rev 01)
[06:10] <trace> 0000:00:01.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev 02)
[06:10] <trace> 0000:00:01.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE (rev 01)
[06:10] <trace> 0000:00:01.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB (rev 01)
[06:10] <trace> 0000:00:01.3 Bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 02)
[06:10] <trace> 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Chips and Technologies F65554 (rev c2)
[06:10] <trace> 0000:00:03.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1131 (rev 01)
[06:10] <trace> 0000:00:03.1 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1131 (rev 01)
[06:10] <iapx8088> the relevant one :(
[06:11] <iapx8088> can't see the audio
[06:11] <trace> No, its not  listed
[06:11] <iapx8088> that's bad
[06:11] <ErikHK> having trouble with sound too??
[06:11] <ErikHK> I have :(
[06:11] <trace> Yes
[06:12] <iapx8088> yeah but it's not even listed!
[06:12] <ErikHK> nope, not here either...
[06:12] <trace> So what do you think I should do?
[06:13] <MobyTurbo> blah09, just put the information in /etc/fstab and you'll only need to specify a mount point.
[06:13] <iapx8088> trace it's a laptop, what is it
[06:13] <trace> its a winbook XL
[06:14] <trace> with a ymf715 sound chip
[06:17] <torebuntu> hey guys
[06:17] <trace> hello
[06:17] <torebuntu> I'm runing on a livecd here, and there's no BitTorrent (wtf?)
[06:17] <torebuntu> is there any way to add applications live?
[06:17] <trace> what are live cds???
[06:18] <bluefoxicy> torebuntu:  I believe there's a program called apt-get you can try
[06:18] <torebuntu> bluefoxicy, apt-get works on livecds?
[06:18] <bluefoxicy> trace: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiveCD
[06:18] <kristjan> i have some networking questions regarding ubuntu
[06:18] <bluefoxicy> torebuntu:  try it?
[06:18] <Xappe> trace, a system that boots directly from cd
[06:18] <mindphasr> Anyone know how to hide unused columns in gnumeric?
[06:19] <trace> oooo, ok thanks
[06:19] <Xappe> trace, and loads to your RAM
[06:19] <kristjan> 1) Why does it take sooo long on boot when "Configuring network interfaces"?
[06:19] <trace> I tried morphix...
[06:19] <fredericm> hi
[06:20] <HaloGray> kristjan: do you have anything plugged into your network interface?
[06:20] <kristjan> no, i'm connecting wifi
[06:20] <fredericm> i need help with grub
[06:20] <HaloGray> kristjan: Ubuntu assumes any and all interfaces are connected by default, and will try then re-try until eventually timing out
[06:20] <HaloGray> wifi and only wifi?
[06:20] <kristjan> yes
[06:21] <kristjan> how can i decrease the timeout?
[06:21] <kristjan> or is there a better solution?
[06:21] <HaloGray> sudo cp /etc/network/interfaces /etc/network/interfaces.bak
[06:21] <kristjan> why?
[06:22] <kristjan> auto lo
[06:22] <kristjan> iface lo inet loopback
[06:22] <kristjan> (my interfaces...
[06:22] <trace> how do you get warty to try to re-scan for your sound card???
[06:22] <HaloGray> you don't have an eth0 interface?
[06:22] <kristjan> no, i have wifi through eth1
[06:23] <HaloGray> does it ever properly connect on boot?
[06:23] <blah09> is there a good way to stream media from a samba share over wifi? VLC doesnt seem to want to open my files
[06:23] <kristjan> eth0 currently down.
[06:23] <kristjan> HaloGray: always
[06:23] <HaloGray> right, but if it's there, and auto eth0 is set, you don't want that
[06:23] <HaloGray> since eth0 isn't ever really used
[06:23] <Neo_654> If wifi is eth1 wouldn't that mean that there is an eth0?  (just asking cause I don't know)
[06:23] <kristjan> HaloGray: not true
[06:23] <HaloGray> the rare time it is used, you can manually bring it up in a terminal
[06:24] <kristjan> eth0 is used when i connect ethernet
[06:24] <HaloGray> i thought you connected only through wifi ?
[06:24] <kristjan> HaloGray: at home yes, at work no
[06:25] <Neo_654> Well that would seem why things are slow when trying to bring up network cause the device is checking if it is connected
[06:25] <HaloGray> kristjan: I had the same issue myself and asked in here... somebody fixed it for me but I forgot exactly what they did
[06:25] <kristjan> where do i set the timeout
[06:25] <HaloGray> they edited the script to auto skip eth0 if the linkstate was not connected
[06:25] <kristjan> which script?
[06:25] <HaloGray> this was over a month ago... so I don't remember what script and what exactly was edited :(
[06:25] <HaloGray> but that's what worked out for me
[06:26] <HaloGray> perhaps somebody a bit more knowledgable can help you from here... or perhaps a google search?
[06:26] <kristjan> i always first ask google,...
[06:26] <kristjan> (he likes to be bothered...)
[06:26] <kristjan> ;o))
[06:26] <HaloGray> Well now you know what specifically to ask...
[06:27] <HaloGray> to answer your question though... ubuntu is persistant to find a connection even if the connection isn't plugged in
[06:27] <HaloGray> that's why the boot time is increased 10 fold
[06:28] <kristjan> does anybody in this room now where the networking script is?
[06:29] <blah09> eek why doesnt nautilus applications:///Internet work anymore?
[06:29] <blah09> (it used to work in warty)
[06:29] <Neo_654> That might be a good one to post in the forums for others to find when needed.
[06:30] <zeedo> kristjan: /etc/init.d/networking
[06:31] <HaloGray> blah09: it's the update in gnome
[06:31] <HaloGray> they took it out
[06:31] <blah09> oh =/
[06:31] <HaloGray> what they replaced it with... I don't know
[06:31] <blah09> is there a new way to do things?
[06:31] <blah09> oh
[06:31] <kristjan> zeedo: thanks
[06:32] <HaloGray> where's the menu script for grub?  I recently updated to hoary... and it still shows my old kernel options
[06:32] <HaloGray> I want to edit them out
[06:33] <zeedo> HaloGray: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:33] <HaloGray> thanks
[06:36] <Anubis> mandb: warning: /usr/share/man/man1/tkconch.1.gz is a dangling symlink
[06:36] <Anubis> can I just deleete dangling symlinks?
[06:36] <carambol> how i install mplayerplug-in
[06:36] <carambol> ?
[06:37] <carambol> in hoary
[06:37] <rubenv> Anubis: yes
[06:38] <rubenv> carambol: check the wiki, on the restricted formats page
[06:38] <rubenv> carambol: nl support in #ubuntu-nl if needed
[06:38] <HaloGray> thanks for the grub help :)
[06:39] <carambol> dankje
[06:39] <rubenv> carambol: np, spread the love :-)
[06:39] <Anubis> rubenv, thanks
[06:39] <rubenv> Anubis: spread the love ;-)
[06:39] <carambol> rubenv: :)
[06:42] <Grev> how do I turn on DMA for my DVD drive at boot-up
[06:42] <trace> Dose anyone know how to get warty to reprobe for sound cards??????????
[06:43] <trace> *does
[06:44] <dr_willis> Hmm.
[06:44] <dr_willis> that reminds me - i need to set up sound card on my other machine
[06:44] <dr_willis> I think thers some config script that the alsa package runs.  not too sure however.
[06:44] <dr_willis> I use way too many differetn disrtos.
[06:45] <Scognito> hi
[06:45] <dr_willis> Right now Compareing how "debian" differs from Ubuntu.
[06:45] <Scognito> why cddb support is fucked in hoary?
[06:45] <Scognito> it is broken since 1 month about
[06:45] <dr_willis> Hello Scognito
[06:45] <Scognito> hi Dr_Aevil
[06:45] <Scognito> dr_willis,
[06:45] <dr_willis> Scognito,  Hmm.  not tried the cddb. i THINK it worked for me when i was useing k3b
[06:46] <Scognito> i know hoary is in develop, but this problem is old since time
[06:46] <dr_willis> or was that "grip"
[06:46] <Scognito> dr_willis, tried with gnome-cd, goobox, easytag
[06:46] <trace> thanks
[06:46] <dr_willis> what program are you useing thats accessing the cddb database anyway?
[06:46] <dr_willis> Hmm.
[06:46] <Scognito> try one please
[06:47] <dr_willis> Scognito,  i cant. :P linux box is down..
[06:47] <dr_willis> its getting ready to be Turned into a MythTV box.
[06:47] <Scognito> cool
[06:47] <Scognito> i'll try it too
[06:48] <dr_willis> I just tossed "KnoppMyth" on it last night.. - and noticed it dident see the sound card. *sigh*
[06:48] <Scognito> i used the other app
[06:48] <dr_willis> debeting useing a full distro and installing MythTV. or FreeVo.
[06:48] <Scognito> i don't remember its name
[06:48] <dr_willis> The KnoppMyth install was... boot.. hit Install.. go take a nap. :P
[06:48] <dr_willis> heh heh
[06:49] <Scognito> freevo
[06:49] <Scognito> i used it
[06:49] <Scognito> it is very cool
[06:50] <pepperpot> anyone know what package it is that contains quote of the day?
[06:50] <Timbo> so i installed k3b from universe and now i have the kde control centre in the apps menu
[06:50] <Timbo> i'd rather it wasn't there
[06:50] <Timbo> how can i remove it?
[06:51] <Timbo> pepperpot: probably bsdgames
[06:52] <pepperpot> Timbo, thanks
[06:52] <MobyTurbo> pepperpot, fortune-mod
[06:52] <Timbo> or not ;)
[06:52] <pepperpot> MobyTurbo, thanks!!
[06:52] <MobyTurbo> np, sorry Timbo. :-)
[06:53] <MobyTurbo> tho in *BSD, fortune is indeed part of the bsd games packages.
[06:53] <Scognito> hope someone will solve...
[06:55] <pawlofski> salut a tous
[06:55] <dueyfinster> I have just tryed to load the Ubuntu Live CD, and it opens up E:/bin/K-Meleon/k-meleon.exe, what do I do with this window?
[06:55] <kristjan> hi all
[06:55] <Riddell> Timbo: apt-get remove kcontrol
[06:55] <monkey89> can someone please tell me how to get bluecurve working on QT apps?  I've installed bluecurve w/ the .deb, and it works in xfce fine for gtk apps, but I don't know how to change k3b to curve
[06:55] <pawlofski> est ce que quelqu'un pourrait m'aider pour installer un programme?
[06:56] <kristjan> FWI: i just solved the long boot time problem
[06:56] <Timbo> Riddell: but k3b depends on it
[06:56] <Timbo> it needs to stay installed, i just don't want it in the menu
[06:56] <monkey89> pawlofski: je parle un peu de francais, ditez le question
[06:56] <torebuntu> helloes
[06:56] <shad0w1e> hey... If anyone could help me get NAT set up...? I'd like to share my internet access coming in from wlan0, and share it to eth0. Coming in on wlan0 is internet, AS WELL as a local network. wlan0 is on 192.168 with mask <IP_ADDRESS> and eth0 is on 10.0 with mask <IP_ADDRESS> / Firewalling is not important. I just need the connection to work... any help? Thanks
[06:58] <Riddell> Timbo: interesting, didn't know that.  you could try adding X-OnlyShowIn=KDE to the .desktop file
[06:58] <Riddell> (check the exact syntax on that)
[06:59] <Timbo> aha, that sounds more like it thanks
[07:01] <dueyfinster> I have just tryed to load the Ubuntu Live CD, and it opens up E:/bin/K-Meleon/k-meleon.exe, what do I do with this window?
[07:01] <swanriversean> Hi, does any one know of anyone working on a gtk port of eric3?
[07:01] <monkey89> anyone?  bluecurve doesn't show up in the list when I hit kconfig, and I want to use it for k3b in xfce
[07:02] <MobyTurbo> monkey89, bluecurve is AFAIK specific to Red Hat/Fedora
[07:03] <swanriversean> dueyfinster, have you opened the cd while in ms windows?
[07:03] <dueyfinster> yes
[07:03] <swanriversean> and you want to try out the ubuntu desktop?
[07:03] <dueyfinster> yes
[07:04] <monkey89> MobyTurbo: there are redhat-artwork deb's available, I'm using it in ubuntu now
[07:04] <swanriversean> I think what you need to do, now that you've got the cd in your drive is to reboot your computer ... ubuntu should load from the cd
[07:04] <Neo_654> Make sure your bios is set to boot from CD before HDD though
[07:04] <dueyfinster> It doesnt though, I have even set it in first preference to boot
[07:05] <Shinitenshi> GOOOD MORNING PPL
[07:05] <swanriversean> does your bios let you pick the boot device interactively (F12 maybe)?
[07:05] <dueyfinster> yes F12
[07:05] <ProgramGeek> Good morning
[07:05] <ProgramGeek> =)
[07:06] <Shinitenshi> :)
[07:06] <swanriversean> if you select the cd from there does it load?
[07:06] <ProgramGeek> Ubuntu Rocks.
[07:06] <Shinitenshi> :) I FORGOT TO LOG OUT OF UBUNTU
[07:06] <Shinitenshi> :p
[07:06] <dueyfinster> No it always says there is no bootable media
[07:06] <swanriversean> again, anyone know of anyone working on an eric3 port?
[07:07] <swanriversean> did you download the cd and burn it yourself? it could be your burning program didn't make the cd bootable
[07:07] <dueyfinster> yes I burned it myself with alcohol 120%
[07:08] <Neo_654> dueyfinster; Sounds like a bad burn/
[07:09] <Fitzsimmons> are the kernel headers on the install CD?
[07:09] <dueyfinster> I tryed getting Nero but I cannot find a free version of their burning rom#
[07:10] <ProgramGeek> What's a good IDE for C/C++ in ubuntu?
[07:10] <toresbe> how do I start the livecd in runlevel 2, but text-only?
[07:10] <Neo_654> dueyfinster, you should be able to use the demo
[07:10] <toresbe> This machine is critically low on RAM
[07:10] <dueyfinster> I cannot find it on Nero Site, It only offers trial of Nero 6 for which you need a previous nero version to run
[07:11] <Fitzsimmons> anyone?  where can I get the kernel headers?
[07:12] <toresbe> Fitzsimmons: lIvecd or installed?
[07:12] <Fitzsimmons> toresbe: installed
[07:12] <Fitzsimmons> gah nm
[07:12] <Fitzsimmons> I just found them... =/
[07:13] <Fitzsimmons> as soon as I open my big fat mouth on IRC...
[07:13] <Neo_654> dueyfinster, check your tabs..
[07:13] <toresbe> Fitzsimmons: apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r`
[07:13] <Fitzsimmons> yep
[07:13] <Dreamer3_> who's awake?
[07:15] <Shinitenshi> me!
[07:15] <Shinitenshi> :)
[07:16] <Hannes_> I
[07:17] <MobyTurbo> ProgramGeek, eclipse, kdevelop, some would call emacs an IDE but it's really an operating system. ;-)
[07:17] <Dreamer3_> yeah, i have a ubuntu instal CD  now :)
[07:17] <ZorroBytes> Emacs is everything and nothing to everyone at the same time
[07:18] <toresbe> what does expert mode do?
[07:18] <Shambler> has ne1 managed to install beagle on hoary?
[07:19] <Dr_Aevil> I've got beagle going in debian/sid - I'm not sure how similar they are though - most things are in the sid repository - some of the sharp extensions to existing packages haven't been compiled in though so, for example, I did need to compile my own gmime-sharp
[07:19] <Dreamer3_> are warty universe and multi-verse frozen repositories as well?
[07:20] <Shambler> dr_aevil: so, in my case, i need to compile glade-sharp?
[07:20] <MobyTurbo> Dreamer3_, what do you mean "as well"? main and restricted aren't frozen.
[07:20] <MobyTurbo> just limited to security upgrades
[07:20] <jesuel> hrm, i wonder p2 - 350 with 256 ram would be fast enough for a mythtv box
[07:21] <Anubis> how does one untar a dir full of tars?
[07:21] <Dreamer3_> MobyTurbo: or, that's what i meant... are universe and multiverse the same way?
[07:21] <Anubis> tar -xf *.* does not work
[07:21] <MobyTurbo> universe and multiverse are frozen
[07:21] <Dreamer3_> MobyTurbo: ah, ok
[07:21] <Dreamer3_> MobyTurbo: so for all packages in main ubuntu does all security updates themselves, right?
[07:22] <Xappe> Anubis, hmm, good question, never tried myself
[07:22] <MobyTurbo> jesuel, probably not. It's barely enough to play compressed multimedia, much less record it.
[07:22] <hybrid> hello
[07:22] <Dreamer3_> MobyTurbo: because there would be no debian source, as they've moved on to newer version no doubt
[07:22] <Xappe> Anubis, what about just * instead of *.*
[07:22] <jesuel> well, im sure my other linux box which is a via c3 1.2 wouldnt. it feels as slow as the p2...
[07:23] <jesuel> *mumble*
[07:23] <jesuel> i think i need a faster machine
[07:23] <hybrid> does anyone know of a real good .avi player to play files downloaded on bittorrent
[07:23] <MobyTurbo> Dreamer3_, you need the security.ubuntu.com branch to get the security upgrades. It should be in your /etc/apt/sources.list file already.
[07:23] <Dreamer3_> MobyTurbo: i get to install ubuntu for the first time today :)
[07:23] <llamakc> hybrid: xine works well. did you read the ubuntuguide yet?
[07:23] <Dreamer3_> just got the CD
[07:23] <jesuel> hybrid: avifile or xine
[07:23] <MobyTurbo> hybrid, mplayer
[07:23] <jesuel> or mplayer
[07:23] <hybrid> ok thans
[07:24] <Dreamer3_> MobyTurbo: gonna see if it can lure me away from sarge ;)
[07:24] <MobyTurbo> Dreamer3_, warty is like stable, except fairly up to date. Hoary is like unstable, except for even more unstable.
[07:25] <jesuel> think im gonna try hoary on mah laptop ;)
[07:25] <Dreamer3_> MobyTurbo: yeah, and sarge got lost ;)
[07:25] <hybrid> Dreamer_3 what artitecture are you on>? x86?
[07:25] <Dreamer3_> hybrid: yes
[07:25] <MobyTurbo> Dreamer3_, sarge only makes sense in the Debian policy release system - which is showing signs of not working well.
[07:25] <Dr_Aevil> Shambler: basically, try ./configuring beagle and see what it complains about :) then check to make sure that what it needs isn't in the repository.  I found with sid that pretty much all that I needed was within sid already.  In fact the stuff that wasn't in sid could have been since august but..t's been held up a bit..I gather more stuff will be compiled with sharp extensions soon as several packages (e.g. Muine) require it.  Having said that beagle...is still q
[07:26] <stuNNed> is totem-xine still broken in hoary?
[07:26] <hybrid> Dreamer_3 ok then ubuntu won't be near as bd to install as debian time wise
[07:26] <hybrid> **bad
[07:26] <Dreamer3_> MobyTurbo: well, i get got tired of stable but diesn't want unstable, so sarge works well :)
[07:27] <Dreamer3_> MobyTurbo: just have to watch things like Gnome updates that you don't jump to soon (before all packages come in)... but other than that it's been peaceful
[07:27] <Shambler> dr_aevil: i'm just asking myself if i should do this... are there any plans when beagle will be available as a deb?
[07:27] <MobyTurbo> Dreamer3_, well, running the latest GNOME (and xorg) is not a problem in Ubuntu. :-)
[07:27] <Dreamer3_> MobyTurbo: can one add sarge/sid repositories to ubunut and expect workabout results or no?
[07:27] <Dreamer3_> MobyTurbo: warty is xfree, no?
[07:27] <MobyTurbo> Dreamer3_, it's a bad idea to mix Debian and Ubuntu repositories
[07:28] <MobyTurbo> Dreamer3_, warty is *xorg*
[07:28] <Xappe> warty is xfree
[07:28] <Dreamer3_> MobyTurbo: well, can you add hoary repositories to warty then?
[07:28] <Xappe> hoary is xorg
[07:28] <Dreamer3_> Xappe: that's what i thoguht
[07:28] <Dreamer3_> MobyTurbo: i'm sure i'll want gimp 2.2 back for example :)
[07:28] <Dreamer3_> MobyTurbo: and i understand it's in hoary but not warty
[07:29] <MobyTurbo> oops, Warty is xfree. All this time I thought it was xorg. ;-)
[07:29] <Dr_Aevil> Shambler: I'm not aware of any but it's very close to being possible to include - which surprised me somewhat :) I mean, anyone could package it as a deb now..but you'd have to still mess around a bit.
[07:29] <MobyTurbo> Dreamer3_, I've never run Hoary. Too much change for someone on dial-up
[07:29] <threshold> is there a fix for mISDN in hoary yet?
[07:30] <Dreamer3_> MobyTurbo: oh i know... sarge is a lot of change for dial-up :)  just wondering how hard it is to pull newer packages into warty...
[07:30] <Dreamer3_> MobyTurbo: i'm not afraid to apt-get source -b so i wouldn't think it'd be too difficult
[07:30] <MobyTurbo> Dreamer3_, there is the ubuntu-bp.sf.net backports for Warty from Hoary.
[07:30] <Shinitenshi> how do i register a name again?
[07:30] <Dreamer3_> MobyTurbo: unless the libraries are much newer in hoary and you get into dependency probs
[07:30] <Shinitenshi> i forget
[07:31] <hybrid> Dreamer_3 : lets just say i am pretty much a n00b but still can update and get new packages rather easily
[07:31] <Dreamer3_> MobyTurbo: ah, i'll have to check it out
[07:31] <MobyTurbo> Dreamer3_, there's a couple of other backport sources for warty as well.
[07:31] <Dreamer3_> hybrid: i'm not worried about how well it will work for a newb, worried about how well it will work for me :)
[07:31] <Shinitenshi> lol
[07:31] <Dreamer3_> hybrid: if it's faster than stock debian i'll prolly be sold
[07:32] <hybrid> dreamer_3: lol idk i m on ppc and never had debian on it
[07:33] <Dreamer3_> hybrid: hmmm, i'd love to try linux on a non-x86 platform, if only i had the hardware
[07:33] <hybrid> Dreamer_3 : but dont go to the debian channel for ubuntu help on anything i made that mistake and got flamed and flamed and flamed
[07:33] <Dreamer3> ubuntu != debian
[07:33] <hybrid> Dreamer_3 : ebay has good deals on older macs
[07:33] <Dreamer3> ubnutu ~= debian
[07:34] <Dreamer3> hybrid: how good?  because a mini-mac is NEW and only $500
[07:34] <hybrid> yea
[07:34] <mroth> going into the debian channel for help on *anything* (including debian) is a mistake
[07:34] <Dreamer3> lol@ mroth
[07:34] <Xappe> hmm, i've got an ibook g3 that I borrowed from my fathers company, but i'm not sure if he allows me to install ubuntu on because it's a leased computer
[07:34] <mroth> linux@ars voted #debian the "worst part of the linux community 2004" or something like that
[07:35] <MobyTurbo> Dreamer3, you'll see a lot less flaming on Ubuntu fora because there's an official Ubuntu Code of Conduct.
[07:35] <hybrid> ubuntu >= debian well the mac mini has now keyboard mouse or disply and is 500 my ibook g3 had all of it for the same
[07:35] <hybrid> **no
[07:35] <hybrid> MobyTurbo : there is?
[07:36] <hybrid> i like the ubuntu channel because i can help even though idk much :)
[07:36] <MobyTurbo> hybrid, yes.
[07:37] <MobyTurbo> hybrid, it's mentioned somewhere on their website, and has been invoked once on one of their mailing lists. I don't know how much it applies to IRC though.
[07:37] <hybrid> MobyTubo: kewl
[07:37] <chrissturm> sunbird 0.2 is out, woohoo
[07:37] <mroth> has anyone got sunbird working in ubuntu?  I only tried briefly, but it was segfaulting
[07:38] <hybrid> MobyTurbo: o i c it is a nice idea
[07:38] <chrissturm> mroth: what did you try? 0.2 binary?
[07:38] <mroth> yeah, 0.2 binary
[07:38] <hybrid> chrissturm: tell me how it is i am a mac covert and liked ical...
[07:38] <mroth> the gtk+2+xft ver
[07:39] <chrissturm> mobyturbo: what would you guess?
[07:39] <MobyTurbo> s/firebird/firefox
[07:39] <MobyTurbo> chrissturm, it does take up more with thunderbird and firefox togeather according to someone's benchmark.
[07:39] <hybrid> wtf is firebird?
[07:39] <hybrid> ooo
[07:39] <MobyTurbo> hybrid, an old name for firefox.
[07:39] <MobyTurbo> hybrid, they changed the name because a database product had the name first.
[07:40] <MobyTurbo> hybrid, actually, "firebird" was a name change from "phoenix"
[07:40] <MobyTurbo> for similar reasons.
[07:40] <hybrid> MobyTurbo : oh yes i remember round .8 they changed
[07:40] <chrissturm> the problem i had with the mozilla suite was that i had the mail app for a long time and started writing some mails. in the meantime i was browsing around, and when the browser crashed i lost all mails that i was writing
[07:40] <Josephus> hey
[07:40] <hybrid> MobyTurbo : why did they change from pheonix
[07:40] <chrissturm> phoenix is a bios maker
[07:41] <MobyTurbo> hybrid, it was someone else's trademark.
[07:41] <chrissturm> firefox a database
[07:41] <chrissturm> oops firebird
[07:41] <Josephus> When logging in i got "gdm could not write your x auth file" and i cannot log in
[07:41] <MobyTurbo> chrissturm, isn't firebird an SQL database?
[07:41] <Josephus> i already removed .Xauthority from my home, but no change
[07:41] <chrissturm> mobyturbo: yep
[07:41] <hybrid> MobyTurbo : yea
[07:42] <hybrid> http://firefox.com
[07:42] <Neo_654> They should have named Firefox "The real Internet Explorer"
[07:42] <Josephus> how can i get my x back?   LOL
[07:45] <hybrid> lmfao
[07:46] <Fitzsimmons> is there an easy way to get bootsplash?
[07:47] <chrissturm> fitzsimmons: best thing right now is wait some more.
[07:47] <Xappe> a site that cannot be browsed with lynx is not a site ;)
[07:48] <chrissturm> xappe: good point
[07:48] <hybrid> Xappe : lynx is awesome
[07:48] <Josephus> could someone help me with that GDM problem?
[07:49] <chrissturm> hybrid: sunbird crashes here too :(
[07:49] <hybrid> whats a matter
[07:49] <hybrid> :'(
[07:49] <Fitzsimmons> chrissturm: I'm giving ubuntu to some big noobs, and I think they might be frightened by the large number of errors it gets while booting
[07:49] <chrissturm> fitzsimmon: add "quiet" to the kernel parameters
[07:49] <Xappe> i get no errors during boot
[07:50] <Fitzsimmons> thanks chrissturm
[07:50] <hybrid> same here
[07:50] <hybrid> i did once and it was cant sync time to ntp.ubuntu.com
[07:50] <chrissturm> fitzsimmons: that will turn off the kernel messages. you will still get bootmessages
[07:50] <Xappe> hybrid, yes but I removed the ntp check
[07:51] <hybrid> Xappe : yea it isnt a big deal
[07:51] <Xappe> because I have to log in with netlogon to get the network going
[07:51] <hybrid> Xappe : ooo
[07:52] <Xappe> university network you know
[07:52] <chillywilly> Unbuntu 6.0 "The Randy Rhinoceros" ;)
[07:52] <hybrid> chrissturm : so i shouldnt d/l sunbird?
[07:52] <hybrid> Xappe : hmm
[07:52] <chrissturm> hybrid: maybe it runs on warty. it crashes here on hoary
[07:52] <hybrid> chrissturm: ok
[07:54] <Xappe> the sad thing about this network is that all students sit behind a NAT and share the same outbound ip
[07:54] <Xappe> but I can live with that
[07:54] <Xappe> :)
[07:55] <hybrid> Xappe : lol are you on a personal computer or did the school actually install linux
[07:55] <Xappe> no, personal comp
[07:55] <chillywilly> no one likes my new code name?
[07:55] <chillywilly> "randy rhinoceros" :)
[07:55] <stuNNed> what is the command to configure nvidia?  dpkg-reconfigure nvidia ?
[07:55] <Xappe> hybrid, broadband connection in the student appartments/rooms
[07:56] <hybrid> Xappe : oo kool
[07:56] <chillywilly> stuNNed: reconfigure your X server?
[07:56] <alma_> anybody spanish?
[07:56] <stuNNed> chillywilly: oh that is what that's for?
[07:56] <MobyTurbo> stuNNed, nvidia-glx-config enable/disable
[07:56] <stuNNed> MobyTurbo: thanks
[07:56] <RzR> hi
[07:57] <stuNNed> hi RzR
[07:57] <RzR> are there special packages for dri ? i can not use the debian ones?
[07:57] <chillywilly> you guys can use the ubuntu models as the logo for randy rhinoceros...come one man it just works
[07:57] <no0tic> hi
[07:57] <hybrid> chillywilly : Pete penguin
[07:57] <chillywilly> on
[07:57] <chillywilly> blah
[07:57] <chillywilly> randy rhinoceros is better ;)
[07:58] <chillywilly> randy has other implications ;)
[07:58] <hybrid> no
[07:58] <chillywilly> yes
[07:58] <chillywilly> it does
[07:58] <wm_eddie> Is there a way to install stuff on the liveCD after it booted?
[07:58] <wm_eddie> specifically Guikachu?
[07:59] <chillywilly> you guys are half way there with the ubuntu naked people
[07:59] <hybrid> a rhino is too big and slow ubuntu should be small and fast :p
[07:59] <chillywilly> bah
[07:59] <chillywilly> or you can say a rhino is powerful and stable
[07:59] <RzR> are there special packages for dri ? i can not use the debian ones? drm-trunk-module-src
[07:59] <chillywilly> kinda like the postgres elephant
[07:59] <chillywilly> :)
[07:59] <hybrid> ok now you sound like a deb usr
[08:01] <Kyaneos> hi
[08:01] <Kyaneos> nobody can use rhythmbox??
[08:01] <chillywilly> ello
[08:01] <RHCPfan666> im new to ubuntu. actually main purpose is to make a homeade tivo. any ideas on myth tv of freevo? i also want remote access on my powerbook. and how big should the HDD be? im thinking like 160GB
[08:02] <no0tic> Kyaneos: me
[08:02] <Kyaneos> on warty
[08:02] <hitu> configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.3)
[08:02] <Kyaneos> no0tic, on warty??
[08:02] <hitu> which package do i need to get ?
[08:02] <no0tic> Kyaneos: I used it on warty, I think
[08:02] <Kyaneos> no0tic, and you can play ogg and mp3 files??
[08:02] <no0tic> Kyaneos: yes
[08:02] <chillywilly> hybrid: penguis are only fast in the water
[08:02] <hybrid> can i install a prog thats built for x86 even tho i am on ppc
[08:03] <chillywilly> penguins too
[08:03] <no0tic> Kyaneos: but probably I don't remember well, now I use hoary
[08:03] <Kyaneos> no0tic, what version of rhythmbox are you using??
[08:03] <no0tic> Kyaneos: now I use the devel version
[08:03] <iapx8088> what's for rithmvox
[08:03] <Kyaneos> ok
[08:03] <no0tic> Kyaneos: 1min
[08:03] <hybrid> rhino are only stable on land
[08:03] <Kyaneos> thank you
[08:03] <Kyaneos> iapx8088, it breaks
[08:03] <no0tic> Kyaneos: 0.8.8-4ubuntu2
[08:04] <Levi_> Does the Ubuntu installation CD include BootPart/GRUB so I can boot to another partition (the one with Ubuntu)?
[08:04] <Kyaneos> and i do not know why
[08:04] <Kyaneos> ok
[08:04] <Kyaneos> 0.8.5 i use
[08:04] <Kyaneos> thx
[08:04] <iapx8088> Levi_, ys
[08:04] <chillywilly> "charlie cheeta"
[08:04] <Levi_> Awesome.
[08:05] <Levi_> Thanks a bunch.
[08:05] <chillywilly> ;P
[08:05] <no0tic> Kyaneos: in this very moment it crashes when I try to import a folder, but it plays normally the other files already in.
[08:05] <hybrid> cheeta i think apple already has that
[08:05] <chillywilly> panther
[08:06] <no0tic> Kyaneos: I used rhythmbox also on warty, now I'm sure
[08:06] <chillywilly> they havethat
[08:06] <hybrid> and jaguar for 10.1 panthr for 10.3 tiger 10.4
[08:06] <Kyaneos> no0tic, i used it too, but now it seems to be updated and it breaks
[08:06] <hybrid> idk 10.2 and 10
[08:06] <no0tic> Kyaneos: ah, so I can't help you, sorry
[08:07] <Kyaneos> thank you very much and sorry for my English no0tic
[08:07] <no0tic> Kyaneos: you are talking with an Italian ;)
[08:08] <Kyaneos> xD
[08:08] <Ribs> !
[08:08] <Kakalto> arrg!
[08:09] <mebaran151> I dlled awesfx and modprobed snd-emux-synth
[08:09] <bitfoo> whats the command to see which /dev my usb hdd is
[08:09] <mebaran151> but asfxload still complains
[08:09] <Kakalto> I haven't touched my boot partition, nor my boot options, but now, when I try to boot into ubuntu, it says "file not found" about the kernel :X
[08:11] <Kakalto> anyone know why?
[08:12] <hybrid> i have a ibook dual usb firewiremin vga wit reg vga adapter ethernet and dail up modems cd rom drive can i use freevo or mythtv to capture tv?
[08:12] <HaloGray> anybody know what replaced the nautilus applications/// feature in gnome 2.8 ?
[08:13] <Xappe> HaloGray, do you mean gnome 2.9?
[08:13] <Xappe> as in gnome in hoary?
[08:13] <chrissturm> halogray: the gnome menu system
[08:13] <HaloGray> yes, gnome in hoary
[08:13] <HaloGray> the help menus all say 2.8 though?
[08:13] <hybrid> when will they ship hoary cds?
[08:13] <HaloGray> chrissturm: where's the gnome meny system
[08:13] <chrissturm> halogray: but theres no  editor for it yet
[08:14] <HaloGray> oh... so I'm stuck editing configs by hand then?
[08:14] <chrissturm> you need to edit text files
[08:14] <HaloGray> hybrid: Supposed to be in April
[08:14] <Xappe> HaloGray, the only way for now is to edit the .desktop files
[08:14] <HaloGray> crap...
[08:14] <HaloGray> Allright thanks
[08:15] <HaloGray> I like that hoary auto-adds new packages to the applications menu though
[08:16] <HaloGray> so it should save me lots of trouble with hand editing the configs anyway
[08:16] <bitfoo> warty does that too :|
[08:17] <Kakalto> hybrid, they ship hoary cds after the April release
[08:17] <HaloGray> it didn't auto add xmms for me :?
[08:17] <datadevil> heh..adnans
[08:17] <datadevil> hi
[08:17] <bitfoo> it did for me :|
[08:17] <Xappe> HaloGray, well, it did for me
[08:17] <HaloGray> strange...
[08:17] <Xappe> but that was a couple of months ago
[08:18] <HaloGray> I had to hand edit mine in, I got it just a few days back
[08:18] <chillywilly> lalala
[08:18] <HaloGray> the stuff I've pulled down with hoary got auto added though, so I guess all is well now *shrug*
[08:18] <pvh> From what I've read on the internet, the "advanced" features of my laptop's touchpad should Just Work, but none of them are enabled? What gives?
[08:18] <Kakalto> anyone have any idea why grub can't find my kernel image when booting, when I haven't changed my boot directory, nor my boot parameters?
[08:18] <HaloGray> pvh: what sort of features?
[08:19] <pvh> HaloGray: scrolling, two-finger tap for right click, that kind of thing
[08:19] <chrissturm> pvh: you need to add the synaptic driver
[08:19] <HaloGray> ah
[08:19] <pvh> chrissturm: Okay, cool. That sounds pretty simple.
[08:20] <pvh> chrissturm: apt-get install synaptic-driver, or such?
[08:20] <Hwolf> How does one reconfigure lvm?
[08:20] <mebaran151> Anybody know about MIDI on an Audigy
[08:20] <mebaran151> (Emu10k1)
[08:20] <Kakalto> anyone have any ideas?
[08:20] <chrissturm> pvh: should already be installed
[08:21] <chrissturm> pvh: ls /usr/share/doc/xfree86-driver-synaptics
[08:21] <pvh> chrissturm: I'll check.