[00:12] <leftyfb> silox: you should ask in #maas and maybe #ubuntu-server
[00:12] <silox> ok, sounds good, thanks leftyfb!
[00:45] <Moc> both daily today for me didnd
[00:45] <Moc> both daily today for me didn't work
[00:48] <Moc> katnip: I downloaded the latest at 18h56 EST, the release was from 18h49 EST, but the file show 22h49
[00:48] <Moc> so that sound like it UTC
[00:49] <Moc> is there some kind of changelog for ubuntu daily ?
[01:12] <tsimonq2> Moc: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/bionic-changes
[01:17] <eddyready> did anyone notice the latest daily build no longer say Development Branch in the about section?
[01:18] <tsimonq2> That's because of an update to base-files.
[01:18] <tsimonq2> There's one last image respin.
[01:18] <eddyready> ah ok
[01:25] <Moc> can we know at which point we are with a specific daily build ?
[01:25] <tsimonq2> Moc: e.g. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/pending/bionic-desktop-amd64.manifest
[01:25] <Moc> in that bionic-changes mailling list
[01:29] <Moc> Ok, so latest build seem to only be missing the last hugo package.
[01:30] <Moc> hard to find which package changes since the 24 on the install iso might be breaking the installer on my computer !
[01:38] <Moc> I would love to know if some dev actually want me to do something or not..
[01:39] <Moc> tomorrow is normaly release day... and I might not be available tomorow !
[01:53] <Moc> No more progress when doing Extract Here on a file ?
[01:55] <Moc> ohhh, it the tiny icon that show up in the tool bar menu...
[01:56] <Moc> That annoying, there is a few second delay before it actually appear
[01:57] <Moc> Same with deleting folder, you confirm the delete, but the folder is still there with no progress what so ever that something is hapenning
[01:57] <Moc> I happen to start 10 video from VLC earlier because everytime I tryed to launch my video nothing happened..
[02:57] <quidnunc> Can someone tell me why many services are failing to start?
[03:03] <tsimonq2> Which services?
[03:09] <quidnunc> tsimonq2: Several, wpa_supplicant, networkmanager, some others
[03:21] <ChmEarl> quidnunc, Netplan is using systemd-networkd to run your network, not NetworkManager
[03:30] <quidnunc> ChmEarl: I getting errors related to networkmanager. Are you saying I shouldn't be seeing those?
[05:11] <katnip> today when i installed /exec -o uname -r
[05:11] <katnip> oops
[05:11] <katnip> 4.15.0-20-generic
[05:13] <katnip> it said i had a slight error, something about a digit before lsb_release, what does this mean
[05:15] <lotuspsychje> katnip: wich error, where
[05:16] <katnip> when i installed a kernel, it said on installation, warning= no digit in front of /etc/lsb_release
[05:17] <katnip> doenst seem to affect anything
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> katnip: hastebin what you saw please
[05:19] <katnip> hah, 12 hours ago with reboots, i dunno if i can find it
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> dpkg log
[05:26] <katnip> so many options on that lol
[05:35] <jbvsjdknbvksj> ubuntu 18.04 will use a swap file instead of partition ? What's new procedure for partition during clean install, for the "Something else" option ?
[05:35] <lotuspsychje> jbvsjdknbvksj: there is no new procedure
[05:35] <lotuspsychje> !partitioning | jbvsjdknbvksj
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> jbvsjdknbvksj: a minimal setup has been added, but thats a different story
[05:38] <flocculant> jbvsjdknbvksj: if you clean install and there's no existing swap - you get a swapfile, if you clean install and a swap partition exists somewhere - it will use the existing
[05:38] <flocculant> morning lotuspsychje :)
[05:38] <cpatrick08> @jbvsjdknbvksj, nothing else has to be done, but if you use BTRFS you have to use a swap partition as BTRFS doesn't support swap file
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> hey flocculant
[05:45] <jbvsjdknbvksj> thanks
[05:46] <jbvsjdknbvksj> which will be better, swap file vs partition
[05:46] <valorie> obv. ubuntu thinks swapfile
[05:46] <valorie> now
[05:48] <Bashing-om> jbvsjdknbvksj: Be aware though, that if the installer finds a swap partition *anywhere*, that swap will be used .
[05:48] <jbvsjdknbvksj> does swapfile has a fixed size?
[05:48] <kimmyk> Bashing-om: does it check for a swap signature or just look at the partition type?
[05:49] <Bashing-om> kimmyk: That ^ is above my pay grade :)
[05:49] <kimmyk> (:
[05:50] <flocculant> kimmyk: no idea either - just know that I saw no change in what happened locally - if you want to know I'd guess you would want to check the code out
[05:51] <flocculant> wherever it is for whatever it is that does the checking
[05:52] <kimmyk> (: it might be easier to just build a vm with both kinds of swap partitions and test it.
[05:53] <flocculant> go for it - let me know what you find
[05:55] <kimmyk> (: i have to fix my broken debian system first so i can build a vm.
[05:55] <kimmyk> and somebody said 18.04 wasn't out yet..
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> it isnt yet
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> during the day kimmyk
[06:02] <valorie> !isitoutyet
[06:02] <valorie> the bot knows.....
[06:44] <fxnoob> hello
[06:44] <fxnoob> the image for 18.04 final, when will be available on site?
[06:48] <valorie> when it's ready, today
[06:48] <valorie> !isitoutyet
[06:48] <fxnoob> :)
[06:57] <erle-> please note that Java 11 being default JRE will break things for many users
[07:39] <hiwk> is there even a RC available? will the release be today as planned?
[07:41] <lotuspsychje> hiwk: final release is today
[07:41] <lotuspsychje> !party
[07:41] <Kon-> hiwk, I know people who have been using the beta for weeks and are very happy with the stability. I have a hard time imaging the final release will feel rushed in any way
[07:44] <valorie> we had a LOT of testing this past week
[07:46] <lotuspsychje> nice job valorie
[07:46] <hiwk> ok, thanks! If I want to install a 18 right now, which version would you suggest?
[07:47] <Kon-> Kubuntu is my favorite flavor
[07:52] <BionicMac> valorie: Still up I see. =)
[07:52] <lotuspsychje> hiwk: if you cant wait few hours, download and install the daily iso
[07:52] <BionicMac> Hello lotuspsychje, how are you ?
[07:52] <lotuspsychje> BionicMac: fine tnx
[08:00] <valorie> BionicMac: waiting to see what's gonna happen
[08:00] <valorie> but .... can
[08:00] <valorie> t wait much longer
[08:02] <lotuspsychje> valorie: take a shot nap, then come back...it might take a while
[08:02] <lotuspsychje> short
[08:03] <valorie> rik can mark the images done
[08:03] <valorie> and the release article is already written
[08:04] <BionicMac> valorie: where will the official release article be? url?
[08:04] <valorie> kubuntu.org
[08:04] <BionicMac> valorie: I believe the i386 looks good.
[08:04] <valorie> and the release notes on teh wiki
[08:04] <valorie> yup
[08:04] <fcanela> will release be at 2100 UTC or other hour?
[08:05] <valorie> they are finding some weird problems in the installer
[08:05] <valorie> fcanela: when it's done
[08:05] <valorie> and not before
[08:05] <valorie> !isitoutyet
[08:05] <fcanela> It's fair, I saw there were few ubiquity bugs in launchpad
[08:06] <BionicMac> valorie: I tried Ubuntu-Desktop amd64 and the installer froze on me just now. Tried it three times to make sure. I will go report now.
[08:06] <valorie> good on ya!
[08:06] <fcanela> may that mean that launching could be posponed to other day?
[08:06] <valorie> fcanela: I doubt it
[08:07] <valorie> it has never been late in all these years
[08:07] <fcanela> thanks for the info :)
[08:11] <lotuspsychje> fcanela: if we can recall, mostly get released when US wakes up
[08:12] <fcanela> lotuspsychje: that is what I supposed, but I did not knew if there was a planned hour
[08:12] <lotuspsychje> there isnt
[08:12] <lotuspsychje> fcanela: its out, when its out
[08:13] <fcanela> the ReleaseSchedule have been like my christmas calendar these months and frozes occurs at 21:00 UTC
[08:13] <fcanela> I supposed there should be a timed out too, but I was wrong :)
[09:42] <brief> !isitoutyet
[09:47] <enyc> much fun in the release channel... being careful not to disrupt!
[09:48] <enyc> "atspi starting before dconf" intermittent race-condition causing fun, apparently
[09:48] <erle-> !isitoutyet
[10:06] <nostrora> ubuntu 18.04 already released ? :)
[10:07] <guiverc> nostrora, expected later today (UST timezone)
[10:08] <nostrora> Do we know if 18.04.1 will be LTS too ?
[10:10] <guiverc> nost - 18.04.1 would just be a re-spin of 18.04 (with updates...)
[10:16] <acheronuk> !isitoutyet
[10:16] <acheronuk> :P
[10:21] <arun007> I have only 2 GB RAM
[10:27] <vlt> guiverc: What is UST?
[10:27] <guiverc> universal standard time (a politically correct way of saying GMT)
[10:28] <vlt> guiverc: Is that different from UTC?
[10:28] <arun007> !isitoutyet
[10:28] <guiverc> okay - probably i used the wrong term - may bad sorry.
[10:29] <Skotsj> UTC is an actual implementation of UTC or something like that
[10:29] <Skotsj> of UTS*
[10:29] <Skotsj> erm, whatever, typing is hard
[10:30] <vlt> guiverc: Propably you didn't. I just found https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Time
[10:31] <guiverc> :)
[10:32] <arun007> Will Bionic run on 2 GB RAM
[10:33] <vlt> arun007: I tried successfully with 1 GB.
[10:33] <guiverc> vlt, thanks for question - I've added UTC to my '[gnome-]clocks' - which didn't know UST time !
[10:37] <Pitel> !party
[10:37] <xvifr> countdown?
[10:38] <Pitel> that loco page seems sadly unupdated :(
[10:40] <JimBuntu> Pitel,  yeah, that one is, this one is better http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/
[10:44] <AlexPortable> why isn't 'startup applications' integrated in the settings
[10:48] <lynxer> Is it a coincidence that Ubuntu 18.04 is released on the same day as Chernobyl Disaster happened in 1986?
[10:49] <lynxer> Or is Canonical trolling us?
[10:52] <brief> or does every day in the year happened something?
[10:54] <blackflow> lynxer: it's not a coincidence, and they're not trolling you. they're lizzard people who are controlling your mind and subconsciously reprogramming you with these apparently inocuous "coincidences". Also aliens and chemtrails.
[11:13] <AlexPortable> how do i change login options on 18.04? i want to use another dm
[11:14] <alkisg> AlexPortable: display managers are usually set from /etc/X11/default-display-manager, or by dpkg-reconfigure dm-package-name
[11:15] <AlexPortable> or wm
[11:15] <AlexPortable> gnome-session-flashback, what is that? i want to use it
[11:15] <alkisg> That's a session
[11:16] <AlexPortable> update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
[11:16] <AlexPortable> hm nope didnt work
[11:17] <alkisg> I don't know the UI that selects sessions in Ubuntu GNOME. It's usually saved in .dmrc and/or in /var/lib/AccountsService/users/username though.
[11:18] <AlexPortable> so i have to edit that
[11:18] <alkisg> You could; or you could wait for someone that uses GNOME :)
[11:19] <AlexPortable> well isn't gnome the default interface in ubuntu?
[11:19] <arun007> Have you tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm3
[11:20] <alkisg> It's the default in Ubuntu GNOME, but there are many official flavors that have different defaults
[11:40] <ponderousbeaver> !isitout?
[12:20] <StrangeNoises> well, i *almost* made it to release day before i couldn't stand Ambiance any more
[12:21] <StrangeNoises> in the end it was the fiddly scrollbars that did me in
[12:21] <Gargravarr> draget: you left the other channel before i could answer :) did anyone else anaswer you?
[12:21] <StrangeNoises> getting used to actually being able to click on a scrollbar easily again
[12:23] <Fudge> I thought there was a relase but the main page hasnt been updated
[12:23] <StrangeNoises> tbh i can't remember the actual release date
[12:23] <StrangeNoises> is it today?
[12:23] <Gargravarr> StrangeNoises: Fudge: it's still pending. please follow #ubuntu-release-party for updates
[12:23] <StrangeNoises> ah, it's today!
[12:23] <Gargravarr> and yes, it's today
[12:23] <StrangeNoises> so i *did* make it to release-day
[12:28] <Ghibli> guessing this question has been asked a million times already today, but is there any news on the time of release for the 18.04 final?
[12:28] <Gargravarr> Ghibli: #ubuntu-release-party for further updates
[12:29] <Ghibli> Thanks!
[12:29] <Kon-> !party
[12:29] <Gargravarr> except the in-person party link is for Xenial :)
[12:31] <draget> Ah sorry, back in here @Gargravarr :P
[12:31] <Gargravarr> :) did you get an answer?
[12:32] <draget> I was told that someone else had no issues creating a username with a dot. So this might be a bug. Then again, /etc/adduser.conf includes NAME_REGEX without a dot in current daily 18.04 Kubuntu.
[12:32] <Gargravarr> this is correct. it's been in Ubuntu for a long time
[12:33] <draget> I do not know about the betas, but I have created usernames with a dot in 16.04 without issues.
[12:33] <Gargravarr> 'useradd' doesn't care about username formats
[12:33] <guiverc> draget, i 'tested' with useradd sorry...
[12:33] <Gargravarr> 'adduser' is the wrapper that uses the regex to validate username formats
[12:33] <draget> Well, the adduser syntax is also applied during the installation.
[12:33] <Gargravarr> i presume Ubiquity builds on top of 'adduser'
[12:33] <draget> *nods*
[12:33] <Gargravarr> yep. this is probably as designed
[12:34] <draget> Has this really been like this for a long time? I never noticed… and kind of always use name.surname here at my company.
[12:34] <draget> Okay, usually via LDAP… but was doing a local testinstall
[12:35] <ufd> !isitoutyet
[12:35] <Gargravarr> yep. it's only 'adduser' for local users that enforces this. i also use LDAP here with user.name format without issues
[12:36] <eddyread1> Anyone getting screen tearing on the latest daily build? Currently running it off a Dell Latitude 7480. Don't remember seeing it on 16.04 ( Ubuntu Certified Hardware )
[12:37] <Gargravarr> eddyread1: during normal use or with fast-moving graphics?
[12:37] <eddyread1> normal use. Just moving windows around and scrolling web pages
[12:38] <Gargravarr> i've got an 18.04 XPS beside me on the desktop and not seeing any screen tearing. do you have an external GPU or just onboard?
[12:39] <eddyread1> its the onboard Intel HD  Graphics 620
[12:40] <eddyread1> yeh I don't remember seeing it on 16.04 . Not enough to notice it atlease
[12:40] <eddyread1> *atleast
[12:41] <Gargravarr> there are extra graphics drivers from Intel for 16.04, but the repo uses a SHA1 signature which Bionic now rejects
[12:41] <eddyread1> i see
[12:45] <Gargravarr> so you might have the 01.org drivers installed on Xenial, but for the moment, there's no easy way to install them on Bionic
[12:49] <Skotsj> is/was there a similar issue with virtualbox/vmware? tried 18 in a VM over easter with poor usability
[12:50] <Skotsj> i expect it's not supported yet/then
[12:50] <eddyread1> Thanks for letting me know
[12:51] <erle-> !isitout?
[12:51] <erle-> When?
[12:56] <StrangeNoises> istr a recent story that intel are discontinuing their own driver installer for linux as superfluous. the default ones are up to date
[12:57] <erle-> vendor-made installers are the worst anyway
[12:57] <StrangeNoises> certainly no trace of tearing on this xps 13 with intel uhd graphics 620, in 4k@60
[12:57] <erle-> even on Windows
[12:59] <StrangeNoises> i *did* get some tearing on an older machine, haswell, with hd4600. there's a single-stanza xorg.conf you can drop in that pretty much clears that up
[13:00] <StrangeNoises> i think this: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1522038#p1522038
[13:00] <StrangeNoises> (even if you don't run arch, arch forums and wiki are often useful)
[13:00] <Gargravarr> Arch Wiki is pretty much the handbook for Linux
[13:09] <xvifr> !isitout?
[13:10] <xvifr> !whenisitgoingtobeout?
[13:10] <xvifr> xD
[13:23] <Fudge> eddyready:  where shadows from other windows stayed on screen?
[13:30] <na2s> I just installed 18.04 desktop on a machine.  Can I enable remote desktop if I am only currently able to SSH to the machine? (e.g. not possible to log in locally and enable screen sharing in the GUI.)
[13:33] <Gargravarr> na2s: yes. you can either SSH-tunnel the RDP port, or you can start a VNC server remotely and use that instead
[13:35] <na2s> Gargravarr, the only problem is that remote desktop is not enabled yet on this machine.  Wouldn't I need to have physical access to the machine to log in, start a graphical session, and enable the remote desktop server?
[13:37] <Gargravarr> na2s: do you have root/admin/sudo access to the remote machine?
[13:37] <na2s> Gargravarr, yes
[13:38] <na2s> Basically I don't know how to log a user in to a gnome graphical session while connecting over SSH.
[13:39] <Gargravarr> hmm, looks like Ubuntu RDP assumes a logged-in user first
[13:39] <Gargravarr> your best bet may be to use VNC
[13:40] <na2s> VNC is low level enough that if I get it working, I'll just see the greeter/login screen and can proceed normally from there, right?  It won't care about who is logged in etc
[13:44] <j1mc> today is the 18.04 release date, correct? is there an irc channel . . . i seem to recall prior channels like #ubuntu-party or somesuch
[13:44] <sgiratch> #ubuntu-release-party
[13:45] <Norux> so.. what will this channel be about *tomorrow*
[13:47] <Gargravarr> Norux: the release of 18.10 :)
[13:47] <na2s> eh, it looks like VNC starts its own X sessions; I'd really like a way to enable sharing of the same gnome environment that local users see, but I need to configure it all remotely by SSH.  Any ideas?
[13:47] <j1mc> thanks, sgiratch
[13:47] <Gargravarr> na2s: before starting the VNC server from the command line (not a service): export DISPLAY=:0
[13:48] <Gargravarr> this will cause the VNC server to pick up the currently running graphical session
[13:48] <emx> i never checked when the next major release will happen until now. therefore i was expecting 18.04 to be download as soon as i wake up today, but i guess i was wrong. does "released on 26th" mean it will be downloadable today at some time?
[13:49] <Norux> emx when it's ready
[13:49] <Gargravarr> before the end of the day
[13:50] <Gargravarr> ...which is UTC-12 :)
[13:50] <emx> hm... k
[13:50] <emx> cu tomorrow then :)
[13:52] <Moc> Good morning ! Any fix for the installer that wont start since the daily builds of yesterday (the 25 and 25.1) ?
[13:54] <Gargravarr> Moc: in progress (and currently holding up the main release)
[13:54] <Moc> Ok, let me know if you want me to test a build on my laptop which the installer wont start
[14:01] <demahum> Is it out?
[14:01] <demahum> !isitout?
[14:01] <demahum> !anythingelse?
[14:01] <Moc> demahum: with the 2 latest daily build, the installer wont start on some computer
[14:02] <demahum> Moc: Sorry, can't help you at the moment. :)
[14:02] <Moc> demahum: I'm just telling you why it not out at the very lease
[14:03] <demahum> Moc: Oh, didn't get that part. Cool, thanks! :D
[14:05] <aqweqwea> !thankyou
[14:06] <na2s> How can I tell the name of the Xorg display run by the greeter?  Like :0 :1 or something else?
[14:07] <Seveas> it's in the $DISPLAY environment variable
[14:09] <na2s> Well, not if I ssh into the machine.  I want the X display that the greeter is running on, but I want to retrieve that information with only SSH access
[14:10] <afx> hello. ive update a machine to bionic few weeks ago. do i need to do something to switch to stable channel when its out?
[14:10] <j1mc> !isitout
[14:11] <j1mc> afx: no, you don't need to do anything
[14:11] <afx> j1mc: thanks
[14:12] <j1mc> as long as you haven't done any extra funky modifications to your sources.list files, you'll be on the regular build
[14:12] <Seveas> afx: 'apt-get upgrade' would be useful to run, but that's useful to run regularly anyway :)
[14:17] <afx> yea :)
[14:17] <na2s> Gargravarr, I was able to get x11vnc to share an existing X session and it worked great after resolving auth issues; the vncserver package won't share an existing session.  Thanks for your help with this.
[14:18] <Gargravarr> na2s: np
[14:18] <Gargravarr> and yes, getting separate CLI and graphical sessions to cooperate is often a pain
[14:18] <Moc> going to take some getting used to getting from 16.04 to 18.04
[14:19] <Moc> I guess my biggest issue is with nautilus
[14:21] <Moc> oh great... I can't do Alt-F or any of the app menu anymore ! That really bug me now
[14:22] <guardian> !isitout
[14:24] <Moc> urm, alt-f work in firefox but not in the terminal
[14:24] <pmatulis_> the release seems blocked
[14:25] <Moc> pmatulis_: the 2 latest build have installer issues on some computer (including mine)
[14:28] <hggdh> it is being worked on
[14:44] <demahum> !isitout
[14:46] <Moc> demahum: not going to be releases for several hours
[14:47] <demahum> Moc: thanks
[14:52] <wlp2s0> Haha, it's all waiting
[14:52] <rajivmars> yes
[14:53] <rajivmars> they are making us excited about the release. haha
[14:55] <wlp2s0> I had to go out with my girlfriend today, so I didn't go to wait for 18.04.
[14:55] <rajivmars> thats good
[15:00] <brief> !isitoutyet
[15:01] <rajivmars> are they going to release it today or not?
[15:01] <Moc> no idea
[15:02] <wlp2s0> Do they know there are so many people waiting for it
[15:03] <Moc> wlp2s0: instsll beta 2 and upgrade, would be the same things
[15:05] <rajivmars> Moc, yes! it is the same thing but when you know that the stable release is about to come then the heart says just wait. isn't it?
[15:05] <Moc> ;) true, but the real wait would be for 18.04.1
[15:06] <loru> guys just go out, ride your bike for like an hour and come back, it'll be here
[15:06] <rajivmars> Moc, yes, that will be the true stable.
[15:06] <demahum> Well, in American Samoa it is as early as 4:05 AM, so it might not come soon and that's ok, don't wait. :)
[15:07] <loru> demahum: even if it's 4am
[15:07] <loru> go back to sleep
[15:07] <rajivmars> demahum, but ubuntu releases are based on London office?
[15:07] <Moc> loru: going to take more than 1 hours... there is no new daily build yet
[15:07] <demahum> rajivmars: Source?
[15:07] <rajivmars> oh
[15:08] <demahum> rajivmars: I don't think anyone anywhere specified the hour, especially not the timezone for the release. :)
[15:08] <rajivmars> so now how much more we will be waiting?
[15:08] <Moc> as long as it take
[15:08] <rajivmars> haha
[15:08] <demahum> Don't know, but from my perspective, as long as there is place on Earth where it's still 26th of April, it's ok. :)
[15:09] <rajivmars> yes
[15:11] <demahum> loru: I am not in American Samoa, just emphasizing the timezone, not waiting :D
[15:13] <rajivmars> here in India, it is 20:43.
[15:23] <acheronuk> rajivmars demahum: there was a last minute bugfix required for the ubuntu live session. the fix has only just been published, so there will be image rebuilds and some QA on those before they are released
[15:24] <demahum> acheronuk: thanks for the info
[15:26] <rajivmars> acheronuk, thanks:)
[15:36] <rajivmars> acheronuk, any idea about how much time it is going to take to announce the release from now?
[15:38] <na2s> Can I specify in /etc/netplan/* that I want to override the DNS server provided by DHCP?  I'm using the NetworkManager renderer.
[15:38] <acheronuk> rajivmars: release team have not mentioned how much testing they will want on new images, so hard to say
[15:38] <rajivmars> ok
[15:40] <na2s> Related: Where does NetworkManager store the config of "Wired connection 1" that is created during install?
[15:41] <Ghibli> Thanks!
[15:41] <rajivmars> i think they are not going to release it today.
[15:45] <Moc> acheronuk: My issue was with loading the X on the installer, not the live session...
[15:57] <demahum> rajivmars: I think they will. :)
[15:57] <rajivmars> demahum, i also think so
[15:59] <demahum> rajivmars: But you said: "i think they are not going to release it today."
[15:59] <rajivmars> yeah, hope
[16:00] <arun007> :)
[16:06] <dzho> !isitout
[16:19] <vaindil> I just upgraded to 18.04 and now nothing on my system can verify SSL certs. I'm not sure what's going on.
[16:21] <SlidingHorn> vaindil: what's the command you're using and the exact error you're receiving?  (pastebin, please)   :)
[16:22] <vaindil> SlidingHorn: Anything I do that requires an SSL cert. wget, python, openssl_s_client, everything. The errors are all that the certificate verification failed, or that a local certificate could not be found.
[16:22] <vaindil> I updated my ca-certificates in /etc/ssl/certs, I'm fairly certain it's correct
[16:22] <vaindil> I'm connecting to www.google.com to test
[16:23] <vaindil> Hmm, looks like curl does work though
[16:23] <vaindil> none of the others do
[16:24] <vaindil> running curl with verbose shows that it's using /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt, as it should
[16:24] <vaindil> I can't get any of the others to say where they're looking
[16:28] <donofrio> is 18.04 released the normal channel is saying "not yet?" (geesh it's already tomorrow in Suva!!?)
[16:29] <Gargravarr> donofrio: no, not yet. this is being vigorously argued in #ubuntu-release-party
[16:56] <Eugene> I have http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/ open in an auto-refresh tab. It'll be out sooner or later.
[16:56] <flocculant> later
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:57] <flocculant> respin due - then testing that - then herding cats - then setting it all up - then releasing
[16:57] <flocculant> I'll be asleep probably :D
[18:27] <en1gma> where can we get 18.04 LTS Desktop amd x86_64
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> en1gma: not out yet
[18:27] <en1gma> what about the daily release?
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> !party | en1gma
[18:28] <en1gma> is that the official 18.04 LTS?
[18:28] <dax> no, it's a daily release
[18:28] <en1gma> ok. wasnt sure. someone said it was the official LTS
[18:28] <en1gma> thanks
[18:29] <dax> yup. every year people act like the most recent daily build is inevitably going to be the final release, and completely ignore all the previous times when that wasn't true
[18:29] <dax> i believe we're doing respins this time too, so it'll be different this time too
[18:32] <en1gma> i think im gonna get the daily build for 16.04 LTS. during install it asks if you want to download updates while installing. if i leave both options un-checked for 3rd party and also updates when i reboot will there be any updates showing up in apt or notifications?
[18:33] <lotuspsychje> !final | en1gma
[18:33] <en1gma> ok thanks
[18:34] <en1gma> man its got to be getting close to realse time though. its 1:30pm my tume in central usa gmt-6
[18:39] <mcveigh> is it going to be today?
[18:39] <lotuspsychje> mcveigh: yes
[18:45] <en1gma> i was gonna dl 16.04 lts and install it over this 18.04 freeze but i think i will just wait for official 18.04lts today
[18:45] <en1gma> tonight....
[18:45] <en1gma> tomorrow ....no
[18:45] <erle-> !isitoutnow
[18:45] <erle-> !isitoutnow?
[18:45] <en1gma> !isitoutnow
[18:45] <en1gma> lol
[18:46] <erle-> there was some command
[18:47] <valorie> actually there was just a respin, so more testing please
[18:47] <valorie> zsync and report here: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/389/builds
[18:47] <valorie> plz
[18:47] <en1gma> i not clicking that link :)
[18:49] <en1gma> valorie oh maybe. so what is that? is that the latest 18.04?
[18:50] <valorie> last minute bug found and fixed
[18:50] <valorie> the slideshow wasn't completely translated
[18:50] <valorie> and there was a problem in some of the live sessions
[18:52] <en1gma> ewww maybe i dload it and try it
[18:55] <Moc> wee 20180426 daily build is out ! Downloading it now to see if the installer bug was fixed !
[18:56] <erle-> valorie, there is a translation deadline, how is that a reason to make a new ISO?
[18:56] <valorie> the translations were done, but some were not ON the isos
[18:56] <valorie> even though they were done
[18:57] <valorie> that wasn't the reason
[18:57] <valorie> the live session was the big problem on some flavors, including ubuntu itself
[18:57] <erle-> so what? it will not break setup and 99 percent of users will get updates immediately
[18:58] <erle-> valorie, thats a good reason to wait, ok
[18:59]  * wagle spinwaits
[19:00] <wagle> how blue will I get?
[19:00] <Moc> damn cdimage is slow :(
[19:02] <Moc> ok preparing usb key..
[19:03] <enyc> Moc: why surprised?
[19:07] <wagle> will 18.04 beta upgrade to LTS, or do I have to start over?
[19:08] <dax> ubottu: final
[19:08] <wagle> dax++
[19:08] <Moc-1604> The first install screen where it let you select the language show nothing to the right..  Shouldn't there be some information displayed ?
[19:11] <wagle> Welcome to Ubuntu 18.04 LTS (GNU/Linux 4.15.0-20-generic x86_64)
[19:11] <wagle> coolio
[19:31] <MikeRL> Hmm. I tried installing the vanilla desktop package and didn't like it, so I removed it. And things are not back to normal in two ways - the boot splash isn't reverted back to the Ubuntu logo with dots and the GRUB2 menu is grey, not purple.
[19:31] <MikeRL> Can anyone help me revert that?
[19:33] <en1gma> my grub menu is always grey it has to do with the way you boot the iso. i thing efi or maybe even the mbr vs gpt
[19:34] <en1gma> the grey menu works the same way as the colored grub menu
[19:34] <en1gma> also if you select F12 boot option i think it will make grub grey since it didnt autodetect and you used F12 vs normal 1st boot device usb
[19:46] <MikeRL> No it's not black it's GNOME grey.
[19:47] <MikeRL> As in the background.
[19:47] <MikeRL> A blue grey color instead of the Ubuntu purple.
[19:51] <MikeRL> Need to reboot and check if what I did fixed it.
[19:56] <MikeRL> Back.
[19:57] <MikeRL> Anyhow, I installed vanilla-gnome-desktop and after purging it, the splash won't revert back nor will GRUB's coloration.
[20:28] <lapaga>     On cdimage  daily-live seems there is something
[20:30] <loru> lapaga: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/daily-live/pending/ ?
[20:32] <lapaga> No today’s date
[20:35] <lapaga> Above pending
[20:53] <valorie> please instead use images from http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/389/builds
[20:53] <valorie> and help test where needed
[20:53] <valorie> we need testing finished to start the release
[20:53] <valorie> plz
[20:53] <loru> valorie: how?
[20:55] <valorie> see the little CD image?
[20:55] <valorie> click it to copy the zsync line
[20:55] <valorie> cd to your folder with previous images
[20:55] <valorie> paste in that zync line
[20:56] <valorie> viola!
[20:56] <flocculant> lubuntu 64 bit tests for some
[20:56] <loru> valorie: voilà*
[20:56] <valorie> oops
[20:56] <valorie> thanks!
[20:57] <valorie> all help everywhere welcome
[20:57] <flocculant> valorie: just cello next time - we'll know what you mean :)
[20:57] <valorie> rofl
[20:57] <flocculant> :)
[20:57] <valorie> I've seen it spelled "wallah" so mine is not the worst
[20:57] <valorie> lol
[20:57] <flocculant> that's something I've not seen :p
[20:59] <loru> valorie: well, it's another word
[21:02] <valorie> right, I totally misspelled
[21:02] <loru> valorie: it's never too late to learn french!
[21:05] <valorie> loru: my efforts so far have been feeble
[21:05] <vortex_> Even if this question might annoy y'all: Is 18.04 going to be released within the next hour?
[21:05] <freehUgsz> no
[21:05] <valorie> but I still enjoyed my five days in Paris and Poissy
[21:05] <valorie> vortex_: when the testing is complete things can move ahead
[21:05] <valorie> not until then
[21:06] <krosonp> vortex_: We can't say yes or no, but I would guess no
[21:06] <vortex_> alright. can i help? what needs to be done?
[21:06] <loru> valorie: you don't need to make an effort, french for english speakers is very easy
[21:07] <valorie> ha!
[21:07] <loru> valorie: not as if you were korean or russian
[21:08] <krosonp> vortex_: or maybe yes: http://releases.ubuntu.com/18.04/ . Announcement should happen at any time
[21:09] <freehUgsz> did krosonp was just the one o post the final release?
[21:09] <freehUgsz> *to
[21:09] <vortex_> Hooray!! Thank you guys!
[21:13] <mcveigh> when will "do-release-upgrade" work?
[21:14] <nacc> mcveigh: when 18.04.1 comes out
[21:14] <donofrio> nacc, perfect response ;)
[21:15] <flocculant> ha ha
[21:16] <donofrio> Client: HexChat 2.14.1 • OS: Ubuntu "bionic" 18.04 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6600 CPU @ 3.30GHz (3.31GHz) • Memory: Physical: 7.7 GiB Total (2.0 GiB Free) Swap: 23.4 GiB Total (22.8 GiB Free) • Storage: 466.5 GB / 1.5 TB (1.0 TB Free) • Uptime: 1d 16h 50m 54s
[21:16] <loru> woosh I'm seeding
[21:16] <loru> 25MB/s!
[21:16] <vortex_> seed from me is going to be up asap
[21:17] <donofrio> dunno why hexchat doesn't show the "Kernel: 4.4.0-43-Microsoft x86_64" jazz
[21:17] <nacc> donofrio: that's not the bionic kernel.
[21:17] <donofrio> it's a pico thing, do not even think its really even running that.....
[21:18] <donofrio> uname -a returns "Linux WSAL0131 4.4.0-43-Microsoft #1-Microsoft Wed Dec 31 14:42:53 PST 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux"
[21:21] <nacc> donofrio: right, which is not the ubuntu kernel :)
[21:21] <donofrio> yepper ;) still would be good to show uname or something kernel related in hexchat sysinfo
[21:22] <donofrio> but that is for there channel ;)
[21:23] <freehUgsz> maybe release team forgot that today there's a release
[21:32] <SlidingHorn> freehUgsz: the desktop & server images are up
[21:33] <Eugene> All the torrents look to be live and seeding :-D
[21:52] <YADW1> 'Ello there. Just upgraded to 18.04, which promised "boot speed boosts" of some sort. Gladly noted that my boot time went from 50 seconds (on 17.10) to 4.18 minutes. It's expected to behave like that, right?
[21:53] <YADW1> Because I thought it was kinda F'ed up for a moment there.
[21:56] <Bashing-om> YADW1: " sysop@x1804mini:~$ systemd-analyze >> Startup finished in 4.708s (kernel) + 1min 45.116s (userspace) = 1min 49.825s " .
[21:59] <ChmEarl> YADW1, there is a bug/feature in recent Ubuntu where the initramfs is needlessly scanned for LVM. If your /root is not on LVM there is a workaround
[22:00] <YADW1> Bashing-om Yes, actually systemd-analyze says it booted in 2.47 minutes (though on a timer it definitely was 4.18 minutes)
[22:01] <ChmEarl> YADW1, I cut almost 60 seconds on my boot time by moving /usr/share/initramfs/hooks/LVM2 up a level
[22:01] <YADW1> ChmEarl sounds, like it... how can I know if I can use a workaround?
[22:02] <Bashing-om> YADW1: I also have a long delay from login to the desktop starting. I have not to this time investigated - consolation here as there is no help here :(
[22:02] <ChmEarl> YADW1, this applies to you if you have lots of LVM, but not including /root.
[22:02] <ChmEarl> if you have no LVM then you won't notice a speed up
[22:02] <vortex_> same here, but no LVM
[22:03] <ChmEarl> cd /usr/share/initramfs/hooks/; mv LVM2 ../; update-initramfs -u
[22:04] <ChmEarl> profit ^^
[22:04] <ChmEarl> initramfs-tools
[22:05] <YADW1> ChmEarl there doesn't happen to be LVM2 at all
[22:06] <ChmEarl> YADW1, dpkg -l lvm2
[22:07] <ChmEarl> ^^ its not installed?
[22:07] <ChmEarl> in any case my suggestion won't apply
[22:07] <YADW1> Nope, not installed
[22:08] <ChmEarl> YADW1, sometimes `noresume` on the kernel cmdline helps
[22:08] <ChmEarl> ^^ helps with boot speefd
[22:08] <YADW1> To hell with it, I'm rolling back to 16.04. Thank you anyway
[22:18] <guardian> !isitout
[22:31] <SCHAPiE> wat
[22:33] <MAGIC> oh hi SCHAPiE
[22:33] <SCHAPiE> yo MAGIC
[22:50] <en1gma> !isitout
[23:06] <tomreyn> see you in two years!
[23:07] <ryuo> !isitout
[23:07] <ryuo> haha.
[23:07] <dax> :P
[23:14] <ryuo> I wonder what the next codename will be. Creative Caribou?
[23:15] <zanshin> 2/close


[02:49] <guiverc_t> tsimonq2, or anyone:  should newer stuff go towards the top,  chris
[02:49] <guiverc_t> re: UWN
[02:52] <tsimonq2> guiverc_t: Good evening. :)
[02:52] <tsimonq2> guiverc_t: No, I always put it on the bottom.
[02:52] <tsimonq2> guiverc_t: Thanks for keeping an eye on this.
[02:53] <tsimonq2> pleia2: Sorry for the late ping, but if I work with guiverc_t, I can get UWN ready to send out to summary writers when you think it's OK.
[02:53] <tsimonq2> pleia2: Then if it's OK with you, I can make sure UWN gets out the door.
[02:54] <guiverc_t> its a two week; has stuff from last week; which i think Lyz sent out email from
[02:54] <tsimonq2> pleia2: If you're around, that's awesome, but I don't want to distract you from your vacation in Barcelona. :D
[02:54] <guiverc_t> there is a note that she was too jetlagged to edit thus not final.send
[02:54] <tsimonq2> Ok.
[02:54] <tsimonq2> guiverc_t: Currently working on a script but I'll be able to help you in like 10 minutes.
[02:55] <guiverc_t> as in last week email was sent out...  forget your timezone; but you go to bed when you need to.   i'll do what I can (add planet for eg.)
[02:55] <tsimonq2> guiverc_t: Then as soon as pleia2 sees this and gives the OK, either pleia2 or me can send out the email to summary writes.
[02:55] <tsimonq2> *writers
[02:55] <tsimonq2> guiverc_t: What's *your* time zone? :)
[02:56] <guiverc_t> you needn't worry about UWN tonight simon, i'm AEST so near 1400.
[02:56] <tsimonq2> (Or if it gets to be tomorrow afternoon and I don't see anything, I'll just send it out)
[02:56] <tsimonq2> guiverc_t: It's 10 PM and I'm wired. Don't worry. :)
[02:56] <guiverc_t> most summaries so far are complete by myself & Chris Sirrs from last week.
[02:57] <tsimonq2> Ok cool, so unless you can complete them all, I still might want to send it out. ;)
[02:58] <guiverc_t> i'll be adding what's occurred this week (planet ubu) hence question about new/older to top
[02:58] <guiverc_t> which you answered, newer to bottom.
[02:58] <tsimonq2> Ok.
[02:58] <tsimonq2> Yeah.
[03:00] <guiverc_t> sorry; you're more awake than me.  Howdy (or Good Evening/Afternoon) from awhile back.
[03:00] <tsimonq2> :P XD
[03:05] <guiverc_t> thanks (re: tz; you're CST (or something like thatl chicago etc) as I thought..)
[03:05] <tsimonq2> Green Bay, Wisconsin, yep
[03:06] <guiverc_t> just hope your bay isn't named for color (algea [spel?])
[03:07] <guiverc_t> guess the Packers are near by?  (footy i think; comes to mind with 'green bay')
[03:09] <tsimonq2> guiverc_t: Yeah unfortunately.
[03:09] <tsimonq2> guiverc_t: And yep, this is Packers town! :D
[03:25] <guiverc> UWN Q:   given two weeks; do we list two ubuntu.podcasts links; or just the latest?  (I seem to remember only ever reading one).
[03:27] <tsimonq2> Both.
[03:27] <guiverc> thanks Simon.
[03:28] <tsimonq2> No problem. :)
[03:28] <tsimonq2> guiverc_t: Can you loop me in? What are you working on?
[03:28] <guiverc> both users are me; different machines.
[03:29] <tsimonq2> Ok.
[03:29] <guiverc> copying from planet ubuntu; last addition was the S09E35; but paused as I don't think I grabbed it; so downloading the podcast to play instead of music.
[03:30] <tsimonq2> Ok.
[03:30] <tsimonq2> guiverc: Did you write the summary for this?
[03:30] <tsimonq2> [03:30] <guiverc> yeah last week.
[03:30] <guiverc> my writing sucks!
[03:31] <tsimonq2> You aren't bad at writing. ;)
[03:31] <guiverc> i'd only swear (say bad things) at my own stuff!
[03:31] <tsimonq2> Just try to look more closely — Ubuntu isn't moving away from PPAs. LXD is. :P
[03:32] <guiverc> i'm not at website; going thru plan.ubu from liferea feeds.
[03:32] <tsimonq2> I'm axing that sentence.
[03:32] <tsimonq2> Ok.
[03:32] <guiverc> my bad.. just axe when I'm wrong or bad.
[03:32] <guiverc> but thanks; i was confused as I recall; you've cleared a little of the confusion.
[03:32] <guiverc> (but a week ago, don't remember clearly)
[03:33] <tsimonq2> guiverc: Also, please avoid using "&" unless it's in the article. "and" works just fine. ;)
[03:34] <guiverc> yeah sort of guessed that; could stuff up 'scripts'.
[03:34] <tsimonq2> Well it's not that.
[03:34] <tsimonq2> We can fix that.
[03:34] <guiverc> sorry. i should have.
[03:34] <tsimonq2> It's the fact that writing with "&" in a sentence is not generally good practive.
[03:34] <tsimonq2> *practice
[03:34] <tsimonq2> Totally fine as long as you get what I'm saying, guiverc. :)
[03:35] <tsimonq2> I'm not in hardcore edit mode as my caffeine is starting to wear off, but I'm checking this over quick.
[03:36] <tsimonq2> guiverc: Do you know exactly what goes in Planet?
[03:37] <guiverc> nope - tell me... i'm just (as I think last week) reading frmo old to new (going up screen) adding stuff that I think is ubuntu.initeresting & trying to put in correct section; often I move post-write.
[03:37] <guiverc> tell me when you see errors... best way for me to learn.
[03:38] <tsimonq2> I don't think the Plasma article is directly Ubuntu-related.
[03:38] <guiverc> remove it.
[03:38] <tsimonq2> Kubuntu people might blog about it in the future, but not at the moment.
[03:38] <tsimonq2> Will do, just wanted to let you know. :)
[03:39] <guiverc> i think last week I added all of plan.ubu less two articles only.
[03:39] <guiverc> i'm no longer commenting on stuff i add; too lazy.
[03:39] <tsimonq2> pleia2: I'm borderline on this article. Please feel free to add it back if you think it should be in UWN, this was in Planet:
[03:39] <tsimonq2> [03:39] <tsimonq2> Kees Cook blogs about security flaws in the Linux kernel. Analysis in 2010 by Jon Corbet found they took five years to be detected on average.  Kees, providing logic & example finds about the same today, noting we're getting better and fixing bugs, but unfortunately are adding more.
[03:40] <tsimonq2> https://outflux.net/blog/archives/2016/10/18/security-bug-lifetime/
[03:40] <tsimonq2> In a follow-up post, Kees continues his commentary by talking about CVE-2016-5195 with updated graphs: https://outflux.net/blog/archives/2016/10/20/cve-2016-5195/
[03:40] <guiverc> yeah remember that one; it peaked my interest; hence probably addition...
[03:40] <guiverc> ok two.
[03:41] <tsimonq2> guiverc: When you have a minute, I left a comment for something that needs improvement, feel free to jump in and fix it.
[03:42] <tsimonq2> Ooh, we have a 404!
[03:43] <tsimonq2>  * Ubuntu 17.04 to Be Dubbed "Zesty Zapus", Will Launch on April 2017 - http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-17-04-to-be-dubbed-zesty-zapus
[03:43] <tsimonq2> Removing.
[03:43] <tsimonq2> guiverc: Ok, I'm going to go to sleep. Have a good night, and if you ping me about anything, I'll get back to you in the morning. o/
[03:44] <guiverc> thanks Simon; get some good sleep.
[03:46] <guiverc> i just added & delete: AT's logical contradictions of the universe -- science fiction more than ubu.
[03:59] <guiverc> UWN:  as I recall only english articles are added; missing this spanish announcement today (pl.ubu) by Cesar Sevilla.
[04:11] <guiverc> smion:  just read your (here) your comment for me.. will go look now (30mins later; i'm fast)
[06:07] <pleia2> tsimonq2: go for it, thanks
[06:08] <pleia2> travel + work situation really has me off my game this month, sorry :\
[06:09] <pleia2> guiverc: we add non-English thibgs if they land on planet or are LoCo-related
[06:37] <guiverc_t> pleia2, thanks L.


[00:17] <Guest3877> hi all. I need help to get my gfx card working in 11.04
[00:18] <holstein> Guest3877: did you find a bug report?
[00:18] <holstein> id try safe graphics mode
[00:18] <holstein> nomodeset or whatever
[00:18] <penguin42> which graphics card and how far does it get before failing?
[00:18] <holstein> that wont get you in to unity though
[00:19] <Guest3877> no but some got also problems with ati radeon
[00:19] <holstein> drag :/
[00:19] <Guest3877> its a nvidia card
[00:30] <penguin42> Guest3877: And how far it does it get?
[00:35] <Guest3877> doesnt load unity
[00:36] <Daekdroom> What card is it, Guest3877?
[00:36] <penguin42> so you see the grub boot menu, and you see the login screen?
[00:36] <Daekdroom> (model and brand
[00:36] <Guest3877> nvidia 5200fx
[00:37] <bjsnider> that piece of garbage should be using the nvidia-177 driver
[00:37] <Daekdroom> Guest3877, have you tried installing the driver for it in system > adm > hardware drivers?
[00:37] <bjsnider> sorry, 173
[00:38] <Daekdroom> Since unity doesn't load, go for classic gnome to install it.
[00:38] <Daekdroom> then reboot.
[00:38] <Guest3877> penguin: yes i see those prompts but no desktop bar when everything is loaded
[00:38] <penguin42> ok
[00:39] <Guest3877> what i find odd is 3d support was working (i think) in 10.10
[00:41] <penguin42> Guest3877: It always screws up on nvidia across new versions
[00:43] <Guest3877> even hibernation was and still a problem with the current graphic card
[00:46] <bjsnider> that graphics card isn't worth its weight in manure
[00:46] <bjsnider> it's about 6 generations out of date
[00:47] <Daekdroom> More like 7
[00:47] <Daekdroom> My X1100 is only 5-6 generations behind :P
[00:51] <Guest3877> what is the App to open a .Deb file please
[00:52] <psusi> Guest3877, question does not make sense... what are you trying to do?  install it?
[00:53] <Guest3877> psusi: yes, i need to install a diff kernel from ppa mainline
[00:58] <bjsnider> sudo dpkg -i app.deb
[00:59] <IdleOne> you don't open deb files
[01:02] <psusi> yea, dpkg -i, or just double clicking on it should open it in debi and let you install it
[01:03] <IdleOne> I think the default now is software center
[01:03] <IdleOne> been a while since I doubled clicked a deb
[01:18] <Guest3877> psusi: tks it worked thru cmd line but not from desktop?
[01:37] <Daekdroom> Hm. Why does only Tomboy's indicator integrate with Unity's sidebar and nothing else? o.o
[01:42] <nit-wit> Daekdroom, have you tried right click on a open application that shows in the side bar and having it stay there, I forget the actual wording.
[01:44] <Daekdroom> The thing is, Tomboy has the exact same options as its libindicator counterpart if I right click it, but nothing else has. It looks like it was hardcoded for Tomboy, which makes me see the whole libindicator as a waste!
[04:51] <vultraz> whats in store for the 11.04 release?
[04:51] <skilz> many things
[04:51] <vultraz> like what
[04:51] <vultraz> unity?
[04:52] <skilz> yes
[04:52] <vultraz> :)
[04:52] <vultraz> unity is good
[04:53] <vultraz> its a really nice interface
[04:55] <vultraz> simple and easy to understand
[05:01] <skilz> It is practical for touch devices and tablets ect but thats about it...
[05:02] <vultraz> well what other ground-breaking new features will be in 11.04
[05:03] <vultraz> i hope it looks aesthetically pleasing ...........
[05:06] <skilz> the rest is top secret infomation
[05:07] <skilz> you have to wait for the release to see for yourself :)
[05:10] <vultraz> ahhhhh. you're making me curious ^_^
[05:21]  * vultraz is now very curious about 11.04
[05:22] <rww> vultraz: skilz was being silly, it's not top secret. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty is the list of all the developer blueprints for natty, for example
[05:24] <vultraz> humm yes but i don't understand the blueprints :(
[07:23] <Ub3r-N00b> does anyone know how gdm themes are installed in 11.04 ?
[07:26] <Ub3r-N00b> anyone online ?
[07:27] <rww> nobody here but us chickens
[07:27] <Ub3r-N00b> hehe
[07:28] <Ub3r-N00b> mm could you help me ?
[07:28] <rww> I have no idea, hence me not answering your question ;P
[07:28] <Ub3r-N00b> good point :D
[07:33] <nit-wit> cluck ,cluck, cluck
[11:31] <richthegeek> hey all - what's the current status of Natty (major changes, anything important broken, etc)?
[11:33] <Vonor> hi. the daily natty-server-amd64.iso shuts down a little bit after the partitioning part
[11:33] <rork`> Vonor: that's a known problem, I can look up the bug report for you
[11:34] <AnggaDj98> hmm are we talking about Natty here?
[11:34] <AnggaDj98> and the bugs too?
[11:34] <rww> yes, this room is for natty
[11:36] <Vonor> rork`, it'd be enough to know how to prevent that :P I guess natty-server-amd64.iso from  december first has the same issue?
[11:38] <rork`> Vonor: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/694772 I'm not exactly sure when the problem started or if there's a workaround. It's just the topic pops up every now and then since dec 28.
[11:59] <Vonor> rork`, the cd from december first works
[13:22] <Vonor> latest aptitude segfaults
[13:23] <Vonor> apt-get too
[13:25] <Jeeves_> Hi!
[13:26] <Jeeves_> Can anyone hit me with the cluebat? I want to open a second terminal in Unity. But clicking the 'terminal'-button in the launcher takes me to the window that's allready open
[13:28] <htorque> Jeeves_, try a right-click on the launcher icon -> open new window
[13:28] <dnivra> does anyone else have issues installing python-qt4? i get a bunch of 404 Not Found.
[13:28] <Jeeves_> htorque: OMG, that needs another click?
[13:29]  * Jeeves_ marks another 'not good' for Unity
[13:29] <Jeeves_> dnivra: Have you apt-get updated lately?
[13:30] <dnivra> Jeeves_, updating.
[13:37] <dnivra> also unity's top bar never really works-i click on the nm icon nothing happens, i click on poweroff button it doesn't work. i've to manually restart gdm from one of the tty's. and also if i switch to any tty and back to tty7, the GUI is never shown. are these known issues?
[13:37] <Jeeves_> nm-applet works, but the menu ends up behind my terminal
[13:38] <dnivra> nm-applet never displays anything. neither does shutdown button.
[13:39] <dnivra> Jeeves_, are you running natty currently? if so could try switching to another tty and then switch back to tty7?
[13:39] <Jeeves_> dnivra: Just did. Works. Slowly, but it worked
[13:40] <dnivra> how about poweroff button?
[13:40] <Jeeves_> The same
[13:40] <Jeeves_> Works, but shows up behind the active window
[13:41] <dnivra> could you try one more thing? switch to classic desktop and see if it says everything crashed? happens if i switch from unity to gnome.
[13:42] <Jeeves_> That will cost me too much time for now
[13:42] <Jeeves_> I'm working :)
[13:43] <dnivra> oh sure. just try it sometime.
[13:44] <Jeeves_> Great, Openoffice doesn't show menus either :/
[13:44] <Jeeves_> dnivra: I'll switch to gnome. I think I will never like Unity anyway :)
[13:45] <dnivra> Jeeves_, i checked out unity in 10.10 and it looks pretty good. just wish it worked well.
[13:45] <dnivra> Jeeves_, open office menus? file, edit etc do work.
[13:46] <Jeeves_> dnivra: my gnome works like a charm
[13:46] <Vonor> does anyone know which package provides the openssl library? package "openssl" doesn't seem to provide /usr/lib/openssl ?
[13:46] <Jeeves_> Unity has no menu, i need more clicks to open terminals
[13:47] <Jeeves_> I don't like it.
[13:47] <penguin42> Vonor: I don't have a /u/l//openssl - what are you actually looking for?
[13:47] <Jeeves_> Maybe when it's finished, but I doubt it
[13:47] <dnivra> i think a launcher shows up in the side by default.
[13:47] <dnivra> Jeeves_, ^^ terminal launcher. gnome works like a charm but it shows the crashed stuff sometimes.
[13:47] <Vonor> penguin42, trying to compile a package that needs openssl and configure can't find the library / includes
[13:48] <Jeeves_> dnivra: Yes, it does.
[13:48] <Jeeves_> But if I want a second terminal, i need to right-click and than select another option
[13:48] <Jeeves_> that's not what I want
[13:48] <penguin42> Vonor: Try libssl-dev
[13:48] <Jeeves_> Nor do I want to browse through /usr/share/applications to find the program I want to launch
[13:49] <dnivra> and it's sad keyboard shortcuts don't work-alt + f2 or any key binding for opening a terminal.
[13:49] <Jeeves_> Anyway, it's WIP, but I suspect that my issues with Unity are features, not bugs
[13:49] <Vonor> penguin42, thanks
[13:49] <dnivra> Jeeves_, i'm surprised the menu works like that-it's not the same in 10.10 netbook-it's shows a cool interface actually.
[13:50] <Jeeves_> I don't need it cool. I need it fast and working :)
[13:50] <dnivra> Jeeves_, it's pretty fast too :).
[13:50] <penguin42> I can kind of see what they're trying to do with browing /u/s/applications - but it won't work unless it's organised
[13:50] <Jeeves_> penguin42: Maybe they can think of some way. Let's call it a menu!
[13:51] <penguin42> Jeeves_: Well if they had a directory for office stuff, a directory for games etc within that it would all work out pretty much like the menus
[13:51] <Jeeves_> Yes, it would. But it doesn't :)
[13:51] <Vonor> penguin42, that worked
[13:52] <dnivra> i actually prefer menus. alt + f2 was the best ever. works so fast.
[13:52] <penguin42> Vonor: Generally libraries and headers are -dev, then it's just a matter of finding what - apt-cache search is great for that
[13:53] <Jeeves_> Vonor: Also, http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[13:53] <Vonor> penguin42, i know, though the package is called openssl so of course i searched for openssl libraries and headers :P
[13:59] <bjsnider> Vonor, next time run the command apt-get build-dep packagename and you'll install all of its dependencies
[14:28] <coz_> hey all
[14:47] <hibba> anyone successfully installed handbrake?
[14:50] <coz_> hibba,  mm I havent tried on natty yet
[14:51] <coz_> hibba,   I know there will be at least a handful of applications that wont install until they catch up with dependencies... ubuntutweak doesnt..at least last time I tried
[14:52] <hibba> I did find this: https://edge.launchpad.net/~stebbins/+archive/handbrake-snapshots
[14:53] <coz_> hibba,   did that work?  I dont see natty listed under the filter
[14:53] <hibba> did sources list update, but it does not give any package...
[14:53] <hibba> well no..
[14:55] <coz_> hibba,  as I said... there are going to be  applications that are not going to install ...at least at this early stage
[14:57] <hibba> ok! putting on my patience hat then.
[14:58] <hibba> thanks!
[14:58] <coz_> hibba,  :)
[14:59] <hibba> yes?
[15:00] <coz_> hibba,  yeah!  you have to be a bit patient... typical applications install  like    gimp.. inkscape  etc etc
[15:03] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[15:04] <coz_> BluesKaj,  hey guy
[15:05] <BluesKaj> hi coz_, person :)
[15:05] <BluesKaj> hi genii-around
[15:05] <coz_> BluesKaj,  I am a guy  :)
[15:06]  * genii-around slides BluesKaj a delicious coffee
[15:08] <BluesKaj> thanks genii-around I'll have it with my breakfast :)
[15:11] <genii-around> In K3b I'm getting "No optical drive found. K3b did not find any optical device in your system. Solution: Make sure HAL daemon is running, it is used by K3b for finding devices. ". Yet putting in a disc results in "You have just inserted a blank CD. Choose which application to launch." etc. (Kubuntu with KDE 4.5)
[15:12] <genii-around> process list doesn't show hald
[15:13] <charlie-tca> natty should not have HAL running, as I recall. It was deprecated
[15:14]  * penguin42 is surprised k3b doesn't use solid
[15:14] <charlie-tca> been replaced by dbus, I though
[15:14] <charlie-tca> s/though/thought
[15:14] <penguin42> I'm not sure dbus replaces hal; I think dbus is just the comms mech and various things sit on dbus
[15:18] <genii-around> Should I file a bug against K3b ?
[15:18] <penguin42> it's all ludicrously complex; as far as I can tell KDE has 'solid' that has udisks, udev and hal backends
[15:18] <tsimpson> bug #696286
[15:18] <genii-around> tsimpson: Ah, thanks!
[15:18] <tsimpson> the bugs not very active, but it's there
[15:19] <BluesKaj> yup, same error here , genii-around, tsimpson
[15:23] <genii-around> Interesting. Refreshing K3b setup page containing the devices shows my drive and then it works. Just not when it starts up.
[15:23] <BluesKaj> if i need to burn any media I'll use an appropriate app like ffmpeg or mencoder or some such.
[15:24] <Vonor> hmm, a program i have compiled on a debian lenny box and on an ubuntu natty box using same options, cflags and stuff, runs fine on debian, on natty it segfaults with #1  0x000000000040538c in user_crypt (line=0x7fffffffe25e "michael", salts=<value optimized out>) at /usr/include/bits/string3.h:121
[15:26] <penguin42> Vonor: It's not necessarily a case of a bug in natty, your program could haev got lucky on lenny
[15:28] <Vonor> penguin42, guess so too. i guess it's due to a different version of gcc or one of the libs, because line 121 in string3.h handles strcpy
[15:35] <Vonor> or maybe it is because the debian is a 32bit system and the natty is a 64bit system
[15:36] <Vonor> but anyways, the fault still lays in the code of the app in both cases - so dev of the prog has been contacted :)
[15:49] <BluesKaj> genii-around, how diyou refresh K3b?
[15:50] <genii-around> BluesKaj: In K3b: Settings...Configure K3b ... Devices icon in left pane... then Refresh button lower right
[15:51] <BluesKaj> yeah genii-around I found it , still no drives
[15:53] <genii-around> BluesKaj: When I did that, was after I had inserted a blank disk and then dismissed the popup notice of what app to run, leaving the disc inserted
[15:54] <BluesKaj> ok, I'll try that later ...too lazy to get out of my easychair ...suffering from a terrible cold
[15:56] <penguin42> BluesKaj: <sigh> tell me about it, 3rd of January and I#ve already got the 1st cold of the year
[15:56] <BluesKaj> using wireless KB & mouse
[15:57] <BluesKaj> penguin42, this one's particularly tough,,, a week now and I'm not getting much better
[15:58] <penguin42> BluesKaj: That sounds like the one I had a few weeks ago.....
[16:11] <speedvin> Hello!
[16:11] <speedvin> I have a question...
[16:12] <speedvin> Where to send bug reports about the dependcies in some packages?
[16:12] <BluesKaj> !launchpad
[16:12] <speedvin> BluesKaj: but where?
[16:13] <speedvin> How to do it? I mean what to write?
[16:13] <speedvin> Package problem with dependcies?
[16:13] <charlie-tca> what package?
[16:14] <BluesKaj> zdo a serch with the keywords describing the bug first and one neds to join in oder to file a report , I  think
[16:14] <speedvin> charlie-tca: It's freepascal-unit-gfx
[16:15] <charlie-tca> !info freepascal-unti-gfx
[16:15] <charlie-tca> !info freepascal-unit-gfx
[16:15] <speedvin> If you want to use graph unit (that one is in the package) you need packages svgalib1 and svgalib1-dev
[16:15] <speedvin> !info freepsacal-units-gfx
[16:15] <speedvin> hmm
[16:15] <charlie-tca> That is not a valid ubuntu package
[16:15] <speedvin> wait ;)
[16:15] <speedvin> I will check that one again!
[16:16] <speedvin> !info fp-units-gfx
[16:16] <speedvin> :)
[16:18] <charlie-tca> Then you can use this - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs/#Filing%20bugs%20at%20Launchpad.net
[16:18] <speedvin> What do you think?
[16:18] <charlie-tca> and request the extra stuff be linked as either dependencies or recommended
[16:20] <speedvin>     http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fp-units-gfx/+filebug?no-redirect like this?
[16:21] <charlie-tca> yup
[16:21] <speedvin> charlie-tca: ok thanks for help ;)
[16:23] <charlie-tca> no problem
[16:31] <speedvin> charlie-tca: hmm it can't find fp-units-gfx package on launchpad ;(
[16:32] <charlie-tca> let me look for it
[16:33] <charlie-tca> the package on launchpad is fpc
[16:33] <charlie-tca> fp-units-gfx is part of       fpc
[16:33] <speedvin> charlie-tca: it's a meta package ;)
[16:34] <charlie-tca> it's what you file the bug against, though
[16:34] <penguin42> oh heck all the fpc stuff is quite hairy
[16:34] <speedvin> then fpc not fp-units-gfx?
[16:40] <charlie-tca> yup
[16:44] <speedvin> Ok I need to go!
[16:44] <speedvin> Bye!
[17:29] <DrHalan> hey, when will gnome3.0 arrive in natty?
[17:31] <yofel_> c
[17:31] <yofel_> meh
[17:32] <Amaranth> DrHalan: It won't
[17:32] <om26er> Amaranth, not even a single app will be 3.0?
[17:33] <Amaranth> om26er: Not unless they can work with the 2.0 components
[17:33] <om26er> :O
[17:33] <Amaranth> om26er: But since pulling in one part of GNOME 3.0 generally requires pulling in all of it I suspect we'll see little if any 3.0 stuff in natty
[17:34]  * om26er read somewhere desktop team is planning to remove gtk3 from the live cd :(
[17:34] <penguin42> Amaranth: I thought the libraries were supposed to be compatible?
[17:34] <penguin42> om26er: Not much point in having the lib on the livecd if nothing uses it
[17:34] <Amaranth> penguin42: Libraries generally are since they have SONAME changes to go with the ABI bump, yes
[17:34] <om26er> then natty would be a boring release :p
[17:35] <DrHalan> seriously?
[17:35] <Amaranth> But you need gnome-settings-daemon and such too to get proper theming and last I heard you can't run both the 2 and the 3 versions (or even install them side-by-side) and they only theme GTK2 or GTK3 apps, respectively
[17:35] <penguin42> oh that's a mess
[17:35] <Amaranth> And similar issues with other daemons that make the desktop work
[17:36] <Amaranth> keyring daemon, etc
[17:36] <DrHalan> im more excited about gnome/gtk 3.0 than i am about unity...
[17:36] <Amaranth> DrHalan: You're in luck, there is a PPA :)
[17:36] <DrHalan> i guessed so
[17:37] <Amaranth> Of course if you install everything from the PPA I'm pretty sure you can only run gnome-shell
[17:37] <Amaranth> Unless GNOME sorts things out for gnome-panel 3.0 and the PPA installs that too
[17:39] <Amaranth> DrHalan: But GNOME 3.0 without gnome-shell is pretty boring so I'm guessing that's what you're looking for
[17:43] <DrHalan> well im alos curious about the more up to date verison of the apps like epiphany or nautilus.
[17:44] <DrHalan> there shoud be RGBA-windows in gtk3.0 too i read
[17:46] <om26er> even empathy 3.0 depends on gtk3 :|
[18:06] <DrHalan> yeah but maybe it can be backportet to gtk2
[18:06] <DrHalan> so what apps still need gtk2 ?
[18:07] <DrHalan> are the ubuntu apps already protet to the new gnome-python apis?
[18:11] <bjsnider> Amaranth, what ppa is that?
[18:11] <penguin42> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/gnome3-builds ?
[18:11] <Amaranth> https://launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-desktop/+archive/gnome3-builds
[18:12] <Amaranth> oops, too late
[18:12] <penguin42> actually, it tells you not to use it!
[18:12] <Amaranth> DrHalan: I don't know if the RGBA by default thing happened for GTK+ 3.0
[18:12] <penguin42> https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3/+packages apparently
[18:12] <Amaranth> DrHalan: Apps can make their windows RGBA in 2.x though
[18:12] <DrHalan> yeah but i want full rgba theming
[18:12] <DrHalan> i know that some apps like the gnome-terminal already have transparency
[18:13] <Amaranth> DrHalan: afaik some of the ubuntu apps were ported to GTK+ 3.0 and friends but are being brought back down to 2.x for natty
[18:14] <Amaranth> natty+1 will get all the 3.0 stuff
[18:14] <DrHalan> so waht will natty bring except for unity
[18:15] <DrHalan> a new kernel and  xserver i guess...
[18:15] <Amaranth> new firefox, kernel, X, mesa, unity, whatever we can update without pulling in all of GNOME 3.0
[18:15] <Amaranth> That's the current plan, anyway
[18:16] <Amaranth> Jumping to 3.0 a month after it (hopefully) gets released seems a bit foolish anyway
[18:16] <Amaranth> And what would we do if it got delayed?
[18:18] <DrHalan> delay natty too ?
[18:18] <Amaranth> *shudder*
[18:18] <Amaranth> DrHalan: For how long? :)
[18:19] <DrHalan> do you seriously think that gnome3.0 will be delayed again
[18:19] <DrHalan> okay thats pretty likely :D
[18:19] <Amaranth> DrHalan: I'd say delayed or hated, based on what I've seen of it so far :/
[18:20] <DrHalan> yeah maybe a new gui-toolkit AND shell is too much...
[18:21] <Amaranth> well, the toolkit part is just removing deprecated things, massively changing how it actually draws things to the screen, and changing the input system...
[18:21] <Amaranth> oh, and how it themes things!
[18:22] <Amaranth> All good changes and they were generally small enough to be well reviewed before landing but I dunnno
[18:22] <DrHalan> yeah but the gtk-changes is what i really care about because they seem the right move
[18:23] <DrHalan> atm i have a setup with gnome-panel and docky i don't really want to trade that for unity or gnome-shell
[18:23] <Amaranth> DrHalan: from an end-user perspective GTK+ 3.0 is the same as GTK+ 2.x unless something writes a cracktastic theme engine for it
[18:23] <Amaranth> assuming the RGBA-by-default stuff actually landed
[18:23] <Amaranth> s/something/someone/
[18:24] <Amaranth> DrHalan: The major benefit in 3.0 I can see is that it should be easier to port to wayland
[18:25] <DrHalan> hehe well wayland stilll has a long way to go
[18:25] <DrHalan> atm moment it only supports OpenGL ES for example :P
[18:26] <DrHalan> and compiz needs to be ported to libwayland-sever too...
[18:27] <DrHalan> whatever g2g bye! thanks for the help
[19:04] <bjsnider> Amaranth_, why do we have a gnome 3 ppa when it seems like these are packages that already should be in natty?
[19:05] <Amaranth_> bjsnider: Because GNOME 3 is all or nothing
[19:06] <bjsnider> so move off gnome 2
[19:06] <Amaranth> bjsnider: too much stuff still needs gnome 2
[19:06] <Amaranth> and gnome 3 might be delayed, have major issues, etc
[19:06] <Amaranth> bjsnider: Just wait for natty+1 to have 3.2 :)
[19:15] <alex_mayorga> why did I get a pidgin package on today's update?
[19:16] <alex_mayorga> is it coming back?
[19:26] <alex_mayorga> I removed firefox to use firefox-4.0, now each time something tries to open a URL I get "Error showing url: Failed to execute child process "firefox" (No such file or directory)", tips to fix this?
[19:32] <alex_mayorga> looks like a mutation of bug 198449
[19:37] <penguin42> there is something a bit odd going on with the selection of processes to run for opening URLs
[19:37] <alex_mayorga> penguin42: to me or in general?
[19:37] <penguin42> alex_mayorga: General
[19:37] <penguin42> alex_mayorga: There is something that's changed and I'm not sure anyone is quite sure what
[19:38] <alex_mayorga> penguin42: oh! I thought it was due to me using a "Custom" "Preferred application", namely firefox-4.0
[19:39] <penguin42> alex_mayorga: It may be, but for me it was insisting on using firefox even though I have the preferred set to chromium
[19:39] <alex_mayorga> penguin42: was just switching to chromium to test
[19:39] <alex_mayorga> but looks like the same thing, got a bug number?
[19:40] <Amaranth> penguin42: They seem to blame it on compiz somehow
[19:40] <alex_mayorga> I got no compiz here, as far as I know
[19:41] <Amaranth> bug 687732
[19:41] <penguin42> bug 670128
[19:41] <penguin42> There are some other weird file association screwups going on as well
[19:42] <alex_mayorga> getting the bug while clicking that link :S
[19:43] <Amaranth> penguin42: that bug is a good example of the problems of mix-and-match GNOME 3
[19:44] <penguin42> Amaranth: How come?
[19:44] <Amaranth> not even glib is safe to upgrade and it isn't changing ABI :/
[19:44] <Amaranth> penguin42: "Downgrade to a glib2 that's not targetted for GNOME 3, or upgrade the control-center to GNOME 3. It's a packaging bug, with mismatching versions."
[19:44] <penguin42> ah
[19:45] <alex_mayorga> how do one does that? pardon the n00bnes
[19:45] <alex_mayorga> !control-center
[19:47] <yofel> we don't have gnome-control-center 3, you'll have to downgrade glib
[19:47] <Amaranth> Either that or we'll have to patch glib to work around this
[19:48] <alex_mayorga> yofel: would it come in eventually? I can like copying&pasting links for a couple days or so
[19:48] <yofel> probably, I don't keep track of this
[19:48] <alex_mayorga> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=654746#c7
[19:48] <Amaranth> alex_mayorga: It'll definitely be fixed before April :)
[19:49] <alex_mayorga> Amaranth: :O
[19:50] <Amaranth> ugh, my phone isn't converting the timezones on calendars
[19:50] <penguin42> Amaranth: There's some other stuff as well; things like the Places menu opening evince for some people - all odd
[19:51] <Amaranth> calendar was set for 2PM GMT+1 (so 7AM my time) and thunderbird alerted me at 6:50am but my phone just alerted me now (1:50pm)
[19:51] <yofel> Amaranth: as for apport, it checks what's set in gconf (It does that to get the right 'new-window' parameter)
[19:51] <Amaranth> penguin42: well, we don't actually have a Places menu like gnome-panel had
[19:51] <yofel> er
[19:52] <yofel> alex_mayorga: ^
[19:52] <penguin42> Amaranth: On classic desktop
[19:52] <Amaranth> penguin42: what people running Unity think is their regular Places menu is the nautilus desktop Places menu
[19:52] <yofel> alex_mayorga: what do you have set for '/desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http/command' in gconf?
[19:53] <alex_mayorga> dunno if the Minefiel crashes I get is related as well http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/08d9a80a-cfee-45a6-b7ab-490e72110103
[19:53] <alex_mayorga> yofel: how do I check?
[19:53] <yofel> alex_mayorga: gconftool --get /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http/command
[19:54] <alex_mayorga> yofel: /usr/bin/firefox-4.0 %s
[19:55]  * yofel scratches head
[19:55] <alex_mayorga> looks like Minefield does set it, but crashes along the way
[19:55] <alex_mayorga> see my crash report above
[19:55] <alex_mayorga> do I bug Mozilla?
[19:55] <alex_mayorga> or is this Ubuntu's fault all along?
[19:55] <yofel> no idea about the crash, I don't use gnome
[19:58] <yofel> well, use apport-cli then until gnome-open is fixed I fear, or feel free to mess with /usr/share/pyshared/apport/ui.py line 885 yourself
[19:59] <alex_mayorga> yofel: can you note that on the actual bug, please?
[19:59] <yofel> which one? 198449?
[20:01] <alex_mayorga> yofel: looks like it, yup!
[20:08] <nperry> In the gnome-classic desktop how is it defined to launch gnome-panel, would like to replace it with awn :)
[20:20] <nperry> Hmm, seems to be that everytime I close gnome-panel it opens again
[20:20] <nperry> Grrr!
[21:48] <qzio> is there some way to reset gnome/unity settings
[21:48] <qzio> I haven't done anything special,80% in the panel quits unexpected, I need to re-add them to the panel EVERY reboot (gnome)
[21:49] <qzio> and unity is unusable since I can't create two terminals, and there is no alt+f2 launcher.
[21:49] <qzio> I hope this is because some weird settings that have entered my system, because this can't truly be the defaults.
[21:50] <qzio> I tried to delete .gnome .gnome2 .gconf .gcond
[21:50] <qzio> and .metacity
[21:50] <qzio> didn't help
[22:02] <Daekdroom> qzio, Of course it's not the defaults
[22:02] <Daekdroom> qzio, Unity is not even close to how it's supposed to be at the release time.
[22:02] <Daekdroom> It's alpha quality software.
[22:17] <qzio> yeah I figured that much out :)
[22:18] <qzio> however, it kind of bugs me that a bounch of things that is functional is "unexpexted quited" upon login.
[22:18] <qzio> they work without problem if I just add them once again to the panel
[22:18] <qzio> and the next reboot, BOOM they crash
[22:19] <Daekdroom> My problems here are more like.. metacity doesn't start with classic GNOME and unity doesn't start with desktop edition :P
[22:19] <qzio> heh :)
[22:19] <Daekdroom> But I'm blaming that on the fact that it's not a fresh install.
[22:20] <qzio> m, yeah, I guess. it's alpha, But I never had this much trouble ever with an ubuntu alpha
[22:20] <qzio> I was forced to upgrade do to the kernel in 10.10. It filled my logs with rubbish.
[22:20] <qzio> I should have just backported the kernel :(
[22:21] <Daekdroom> I was going to wait longer before installing natty, but given I'm getting a new machine in a few days, I thought it wouldn't hurt to try.
[23:13] <h4f> Something happed and my mouse is now reverted (x y axis)
[23:13] <h4f> I had similar issues in before distsributions
[23:13] <h4f> how do I make it work as before
[23:14] <h4f> when I move mouse UP its going DOWN and vice versa
[23:15] <holstein> maybe http://askubuntu.com/questions/16480/inverted-mouse-axis-on-a-ubuntu-live-usb
[23:16] <alex_mayorga> h4f: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=483723 perhaps
[23:21] <h4f> thanks
[23:22] <h4f> but why did it get inverted by itself ?
[23:22] <holstein> if its happended before
[23:22] <holstein> its probably something to do with that particular hardware
[23:22] <holstein> not sure though
[23:22] <h4f> yes it happened .
[23:23] <h4f> hm. I think its after a hibernate of sleep
[23:23] <holstein> you might have one of those notebooks that dont like to wake up in buntu
[23:26] <Roey> hi
[23:26] <Roey> can anyone please help me out with this (without bouncing me to some other channel)... I don't know why, but on my Kubuntu 10.10 system, as of KDE 4.6 beta 1 up to and including RC1,  my Keyboard Settings (repeat rate, language switcher key combo, making Capslock an additional Control) are no longer respected by any app, even though the settings show up fine in Keyboard Settings
[23:27] <holstein> if you hadnt said dont bounce you, i would have said try #kubuntu ;)
[23:28] <holstein> i suppose it would be easy enough to try gnome and confirm that this is a KDE issue
[23:47] <Roey> what do you mean
[23:47] <Roey> holstein:  the problem transcends individual user accounts on this system
[23:48] <holstein> Roey: i was just wondering if this was happing in gnome as well
[23:48] <holstein> something similar
[23:52] <Roey> ahhh
[23:53] <Roey> someone in this channel or another one asked me earlier to print my x keyboard map and to search for any Keyboard Settings-introduced verbiage there
[23:53] <Roey> not that I could find it
[23:56] <holstein> hmmm
[23:56] <holstein> earlier today?
[23:56] <holstein> wasnt in here...


[05:03] <jazzkutya> hi
[05:03] <function9> hi
[05:04] <jazzkutya> why the 32bit version of kubuntu 14.04 is the recommended version on the download page?
[05:05] <jazzkutya> now i myself prefer 32bit on computers with <=4GB ram but i was just about to change my habit :)
[05:06] <function9> jazzkutya: it offers 32 & 64bit
[05:06] <jazzkutya> (target computer has 4gigs of ram, possibly 8g in not so near future)
[05:06] <jazzkutya> that's ok.
[05:06] <jazzkutya> that the 32bit version is recommended?
[05:06] <jazzkutya> the button text says this, in 2014
[05:06] <jazzkutya> *why the 32bit version is recommended?
[05:06] <jazzkutya> sorry, typo
[05:07] <function9> jazzkutya: http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu
[05:07] <jazzkutya> that's the page i'm talking about, yes.
[05:11] <jazzkutya> on ubuntu.com the 64bit version is the default on the download page. on kubuntu.com the 32bit version explicitly recommended. why?
[05:36] <poee> hi. when i write a disk in k3b, the progress is 100% but the size is a little less than full. say out of 4320mb it shows only 4269 mb. is this ok? does this mean the disc is fully written?
[06:05] <sandman13> if new version of KDE is released will LTS version of Kubuntu upgrade to it?
[06:20] <jazzdog> kubuntu live-cd with pxe boot, cool :)
[07:24] <alvin> santiago: Most of the time. The current LTS contains the latest KDE version through the normal upgrade channels (without PPA)
[07:25] <alvin> santiago: Oops, that wasn't for you, but for  sandman13, who is offline.
[07:25] <alvin> I'm not awake yet.
[08:22] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:37] <function9> lordievader: good morning :)
[08:38] <lordievader> Hey function9, how are you?
[08:38] <function9> lordievader: another day :)
[08:38] <lordievader> New day, new chances?
[08:38] <function9> lordievader: do you have a cup of coffee for me today?
[08:39]  * lordievader makes another cup of coffee
[08:40] <function9> :D
[08:40] <function9> brb gotta do the laundry
[08:40]  * lordievader slides function9 a cup of coffee
[08:40] <function9> ty sir!
[08:40] <function9> brb
[09:43] <kperminov> Hello!
[09:46] <lordievader> o/
[11:13] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[17:27] <MichaelP> http://paste2.org/EGGX2ceJ
[17:27] <MichaelP> Having trouble installing kde5
[17:28] <lordievader> MichaelP: Allow dpkg to overwrite files using the --force-overwrite switch.
[17:30] <MichaelP> lordievader: apt-get --force-overwrite dist-upgrade or dist-upgrade --force-overwrite ?
[17:31] <MichaelP> or don't use dist-upgrade
[17:34] <MichaelP> --force-overwrite no matter how i put it E: Command line option --force-overwrite is not understood
[17:37] <lordievader> MichaelP: dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/powerdevil_4%3a4.97.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1_i386.deb
[17:42] <MichaelP> thanks
[17:55] <MichaelP> lordievader: now i keep getting  Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. The following packages have been kept back:  plasma-desktop
[17:59] <lordievader> MichaelP: Could you pastebin the fill output?
[18:02] <MichaelP> lordievader: http://paste2.org/OCJOyHZD
[18:04] <lordievader> Packages listed there should be orphans. Usually it is save to remove them.
[18:04] <MichaelP> Maybe these are 14.10 issiues
[18:04] <lordievader> MichaelP: By the by, you should issue a bugreport about the error you previously had.
[18:05] <lordievader> MichaelP: That was a packaging bug.
[18:06] <MichaelP> lordievader: im on 14.10 to.. I just noticed it still alpha 1
[18:06] <lordievader> MichaelP: It is. And it's support is in #ubuntu+1, shall we move there?
[23:15] <Guest22395> تحذير
[23:15] <Guest22395> warning
[23:15] <Guest22395>  you may be  watched
[23:15] <Guest22395> do usa&israel use the internet(facebook,youtube,twitter, chat rooms ..ect)to spy??
[23:15] <Guest22395> do usa&israel use the internet 2 collect informations,,can we call that spying??
[23:16] <MichaelP> kubuntu 14.04...  sudo apt-add-repository ppa:neon/kf5   ... sudo apt-get update   sudo apt-get install project-neon5-session project-neon5-utils \ project-neon5-konsole    Everything went good
[23:17] <MichaelP> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next   sudo apt-add-repository ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-daily   sudo apt-get update ..... sodo apt-get dist-upgrade.. nothing