[00:00] <syadnom> kuba7447, I have wayland and weston running on a raspberry pi.  it's significantly faster (though buggy) than X on that hardware
[00:00] <EriC^^> lost: oh ok, yeah you can convert it, if it's a fresh install you can just fresh install, would be easier
[00:00] <syadnom> kuba7447, i think ubuntu took the wind out of waylands sails with mir
[00:00] <kuba7447> why cant ubuntu play ball with other distros?
[00:00] <EriC^^> lost: by the way, the graphics issues aren't related to uefi or legacy
[00:01] <reisio> kuba7447: ?
[00:01] <lost> EriC^^: oh?
[00:01] <reisio> wayland will be done when it's done
[00:01] <EriC^^> lost: nope, uefi is just about the booting
[00:01] <kuba7447> ubuntu will be using mir?, right?
[00:01] <reisio> kuba7447: I doubt it
[00:01] <chileno> algun reculiao me entiende?
[00:01] <reisio> kuba7447: Ubuntu tends to cave on things that Debian upstream doesn't support
[00:01] <lost> EriC^^: yeah well thats why i thought it was that because of the timing of the problems
[00:01] <reisio> they don't have the developers to do otherwise
[00:02] <lost> EriC^^: so what are you thinking it is?
[00:02] <EriC^^> you could try the proprietary drivers if you want
[00:02] <kuba7447> so, will ubuntu be using wayland in the future?
[00:02] <OerHeks> kuba7447, no
[00:03] <kuba7447> what will it be using then?
[00:03] <syadnom> i fully expect u16.04 to have mir
[00:03] <reisio> kuba7447: most likely wayland, yes
[00:03] <syadnom> it's critical to their mobile platform.
[00:03] <psusi> reisio, no, canonical is developing mir instead of wayland
[00:03] <kuba7447> but wayland is better?
[00:03] <syadnom> mir works in 15.04 already, though it's not totally stable.
[00:03] <EriC^^> yeah wayland is supposedly not suitable for all applications
[00:03] <reisio> psusi: weren't they developing upstart instead of something, too? :p
[00:04] <OerHeks> kuba7447, there is no wayland on ubuntu , so useless to compare.
[00:04] <reisio> what canonical plans to do and what will probably happen are different, I think
[00:04] <lost> EriC^^: proprietary for my graphics card?
[00:04] <EriC^^> lost: yeah
[00:04] <kuba7447> will other distros use mir?
[00:05] <psusi> kuba7447, not likely
[00:05] <syadnom> kuba7447, I think that entirely depends on if ubuntu pulls it off
[00:05] <reisio> kuba7447: nope
[00:05] <OerHeks> yes, all of them, windows too :-D
[00:05] <reisio> I doubt Ubuntu even will very long
[00:05] <lost> EriC^^: ill try it let you know how it goes thanx
[00:05] <OerHeks> ask them, you know
[00:05] <chileno> algun rexucha su madre?
[00:05] <EriC^^> lost: ok, no problem
[00:05] <reisio> chileno: :)
[00:05] <d4rklit3> hi
[00:05] <kostkon> reisio, mir is already on the phones
[00:05] <chileno> hay algun maricon culiao?
[00:05] <hoss> apport question: I work on an OSS project (lucene) that, as part of our automated tests, kills processors to then verify data integretiy - when devs use ubuntu, this causes apport to ask about sending in a bug report (for java) ... is there any sort of ENV variable we can set on these processes to tell apport "don't freak out if this proc dies horribly" ?
[00:05] <syadnom> mir and unity8 are pretty slick on u15.04
[00:05] <reisio> kostkon: far out man
[00:05] <psusi> in all likelylood ubuntu will use mir for a few releases, then cave to wayland... it's upstart vs systemd all over again
[00:05] <chileno> reisio: hola
[00:05] <reisio> chileno: shalom
[00:05] <hoss> s/processors/processes/
[00:06] <syadnom> it's pretty usable, though not entirely stable.
[00:06] <chileno> reisio: eres chileno?
[00:06] <d4rklit3> some1 has put a startup script somewhere on my ubuntu server, I can't find what is calling this
[00:06] <kuba7447> but if the most popular distro be using mir and the rest be using wayland, what will happened ?
[00:06] <le_pig> lol sudecos
[00:06] <reisio> hoss: think there's probably a dev channel, let's see...
[00:06] <syadnom> d4rklit3, look in /etc/rc.local
[00:06] <d4rklit3> what are some likely places to run bash scripts at startup on ubuntu, except rc.local
[00:06] <d4rklit3> heh
[00:06] <d4rklit3> its not rc.local
[00:06] <psusi> only at least when ubuntu first switched to upstart, systemd didn't exist yet
[00:06] <reisio> hoss: #ubuntu-app-devel maybe
[00:06] <EriC^^> d4rklit3: as root?
[00:06] <reisio> d4rklit3: to do what?
[00:06] <d4rklit3> yes
[00:06] <d4rklit3> it runs a process as root
[00:06] <syadnom> upstart was kinda crappy, i think they realized this a while back
[00:06] <d4rklit3> i need to find where
[00:06] <d4rklit3> so i can stop it
[00:07] <psusi> personally I'm looking forward to using wayland and gnome-shell as soon as it is usable
[00:07] <d4rklit3> im having a hard time figuring out where upstart commands are stored
[00:07] <kuba7447> same
[00:07] <hoss> reisio: yeah, sorry ... i should have clarified that first ... wasn't sure if it would be considered off topic for #ubuntu-app-devel since i'm not asking specifically about developing ubuntu (pacakged) apps
[00:07] <OerHeks> I want Mir, systemD and snappy
[00:07] <psusi> upstart was leaps and bounds ahead of sysvinit... and overall pretty good... the real problem was that the one developer who wrote it left canonical for google and nobody was really working on it for quite some time
[00:07] <kuba7447> they should be more standardisation between distros
[00:07] <EriC^^> d4rklit3: what process?
[00:07] <syadnom> I'm not sure that wayland or mir need to be exclusive :/
[00:08] <d4rklit3> something called forever
[00:08] <psusi> then systemd had some new ideas that might be better and was being actively maintained and supported, so the switch was obvious
[00:08] <d4rklit3> its ran by node
[00:08] <syadnom> they are both pretty modular so there could be a mir later on wayland and vice versa, and both can run an X layer so :/
[00:08] <reisio> hoss: doesn't bother me, I just doubt this is the most efficient place to ask
[00:08] <d4rklit3> it may be upstart, but i don't know where upstart commands are stored
[00:08] <reisio> all the X/wayland devs pretty much think Mir is a joke
[00:08] <reisio> and I don't really blame them
[00:08] <EriC^^> d4rklit3: /etc/init.d
[00:09] <reisio> but hey you can make any software you want
[00:09] <psusi> syadnom, they are exclusive in that apps talk to one or the other... you could use one as a slave to the other as a compatibility layer, but why bother when you can just patch the app to use the one that is really in charge
[00:09] <reisio> that's a great thing
[00:09] <syadnom> reisio, and the canonical guys think wayland is a joke too lol
[00:09] <reisio> well X is a joke
[00:09] <syadnom> psusi, time to market, that's why
[00:09] <reisio> just not compared to mir :p
[00:09] <kuba7447> x is a mess
[00:09] <EriC^^> d4rklit3: sorry, /etc/init
[00:09] <reisio> kuba7447: hence wayland
[00:09] <syadnom> X is an entire operating system lol
[00:09] <d4rklit3> o i see
[00:09] <kuba7447> yep
[00:09] <d4rklit3> everything in /etc/init
[00:09] <d4rklit3> runs
[00:10] <kuba7447> i dont see why mir is being developed , canonical should be contributing to wayland instead of doing mir
[00:10] <reisio> kuba7447: yup
[00:10] <syadnom> from canonicals point of view, wayland is totally innapropriate for mobile because it fundamentally lacks features mobile needs...or so they say
[00:10] <reisio> but again, people can waste time on what they like :)
[00:10] <reisio> nobody will be forcing anyone to use wayland or mir either one
[00:11] <syadnom> kuba7447, canonical did a lot of work on wayland and found it to be lacking (thier opinion)
[00:11] <reisio> work?
[00:11] <reisio> research you mean?
[00:11] <reisio> last I saw the wayland devs decided canonical had no idea about anything related to X :)
[00:12] <syadnom> reisio, no, they did have dev libraries for wayland.
[00:12] <kuba7447> but, will the user notice the difference wayland and mir, will it be a massive difference?
[00:12] <syadnom> I played with them, they sucked
[00:12] <kuba7447> *between
[00:12] <reisio> syadnom: :D
[00:12] <reisio> kuba7447: I don't think they would, unless either is buggy enough to crash
[00:12] <syadnom> http://askubuntu.com/questions/314495/why-did-canonical-choose-mir-over-wayland-as-the-display-server
[00:12] <reisio> which I assume mir will be, but don't care as I won't ever use it :)
[00:13] <ni9arino> how can i upload screen shots pls
[00:13] <reisio> ni9arino: http://imgur.com/
[00:13] <syadnom> I'm not of the opinion that mir or wayland is better, I'm just parroting canonicals statements
[00:13] <d4rklit3> is this correct?  scripts in /etc/init run on init?
[00:13] <EriC^^> d4rklit3: yeah, those are upstart files
[00:13] <kuba7447> if mir fail, i will have to switch distro
[00:13] <syadnom> I've run both in testing and they both already beat X on responsivness
[00:13] <reisio> kuba7447: you won't have to, but you might want to
[00:14] <EriC^^> d4rklit3: there's /etc/init.d too
[00:14] <reisio> if mir fails, as in the past when canonical projects failed, they'll probably just go back to using what debian uses
[00:14] <kuba7447> unless, canonical put their act together and use wayland
[00:14] <syadnom> well, if mir isn't default in 15.10, then I don't believe it will hit 16.04...
[00:14] <psusi> d4rklit3, /etc/init contains .conf files that tell upstart about what jobs to run at boot time... it has been replaced with systemd in 15.04
[00:14] <OerHeks> So if wayland fails, they all come to Mir :-D
[00:15] <OerHeks> you are funny guys
[00:15] <d4rklit3> man this guy just left these scripts laying around
[00:15] <reisio> wayland won't fail, it's already well on its way
[00:15] <kuba7447> i doubt that wayland will fail
[00:15] <reisio> all the X guys are with wayland
[00:15] <reisio> it's basically just the next version of X.org
[00:16] <reisio> with all the improvements they've wanted for ages
[00:16] <kuba7447> wayland = "every frame perfect"
[00:16]  * reisio shrugs
[00:17] <reisio> I'm okay with X, but if the X guys want to make _their lives_ easier by fixing it up more, that's fine by me
[00:17] <kuba7447> x.org was quite impressive in the 90s
[00:18] <syadnom> I'm not a fan of X at all.  I feel lag there except in 'raw' X and then it's not pretty.  add a compositor and it feel 'behind'.
[00:18] <Johnny_Linux> i left my X in texas
[00:18] <syadnom> mir is supposedly suopposed to be easier to port between graphics stacks than wayland (again, according to canonical)
[00:19] <kuba7447> but why will other distros use mir?
[00:19] <syadnom> :/ probably not unless canonical is wildly successful with it
[00:19] <syadnom> and redhat specifically will probably not touch it on principal
[00:20] <OerHeks> I wonder what those ubuntu-forks will do.
[00:20] <kuba7447> its look like x.org will be in use for a long time...
[00:20] <syadnom> but really, who is the linux desktop?  ubuntu based (in turn debian based, but be honest, it's ubuntu based), fedora based.....what else?
[00:20] <kuba7447> arch?
[00:21] <syadnom> kuba7447, arch will probably do both
[00:21] <syadnom> gentoo probably both
[00:21] <kuba7447> yep, arch is all about choice
[00:21] <syadnom> but those aren't 'big' really...they have a significant following but are really left in the dust by ubuntu and fedora for user base.
[00:22] <kuba7447> yep, ubuntu have a big influence on linux industry
[00:24] <psusi> kuba7447, what makes you say that?
[00:25] <kuba7447> its the most used linux distro
[00:25] <psusi> I mean about xorg
[00:25] <reisio> can already easily use either on Gentoo
[00:26] <Johnny_Linux> X is broke and needs re-written , wayland will save the day
[00:26] <kuba7447> ubuntu dont really care about other distros, thats why theyre developing mir
[00:26] <syadnom> kuba7447, ubuntu definietely doesn't give a crap about other distros lol
[00:26] <Johnny_Linux> why should they
[00:27] <Johnny_Linux> if a was in business, id do what they are doing
[00:28] <kuba7447> what will be the most popular linux distro in the future? openSUSE, fedora?
[00:28] <syadnom> ubuntu and fedora
[00:29] <kuba7447> i feel like canonical is killing ubuntu by developing mir
[00:30] <OerHeks> Only developing nothing kills ubuntu.
[00:30] <reisio> probably still be Debian
[00:30] <syadnom> kuba7447, i don't agree.  They can back off that if it flops, but if it succeeds and you can run an ubuntu phone and desktop on the same device...that might be a really winner
[00:30] <Johnny_Linux> they are building a phone/pc, its gonna be killer. what difference does all that make, youll buy one im sure.
[00:30] <reisio> one can always hope one of the superior GNU/Linux alternatives wins out, though :)
[00:30] <kuba7447> but what about other distros
[00:31] <reisio> the body of free userland software is the important part, really
[00:31] <xyzzy__> Nothing will kill Ubuntu. It's only growing in popularity. If anything, Canonical will adapt.
[00:31] <syadnom> id love to have a non-android open mobile OS
[00:32] <kuba7447> ubuntu feels more like a product rather than project, dont know if thats good or bad
[00:32] <syadnom> dont hurt me......I prefer windows phone to android for usability and performance..
[00:32] <OerHeks> non-android & non-java, ubuntu-phone \o/
[00:32] <syadnom> but can't live with the crap ecosystem
[00:33] <xyzzy__> I'm getting that impression too, kuba7447
[00:33] <dale> I lose Firefox/Thundrbird window arrows when I install gtk3 theme, two tries Gray-libra and Numix-grey
[00:33] <dale> ubuntu 15.04 on the themes
[00:33] <Johnny_Linux> its prolly the theme itself, try another
[00:33] <xyzzy__> great product though. xfce really takes that corporate feel out of the UI however
[00:34] <dale> okay, I'll try a couple more
[00:34] <kuba7447> i dont like xfce, too many things
[00:35] <mach20x> Ok so I upgraded to 15.04...no sound, so I followed some guides online that were supposed to help and messed stuff up I'm sure because my volume option missing next to the date in the top bar..
[00:35] <syadnom> xfce feels 'cheap' :/
[00:36] <syadnom> oh, and "90's" lol
[00:36] <kuba7447> syadnom, thats exactly what i feel
[00:36] <reisio> that's how I use Xfce, but you can make it look like anything
[00:36] <reisio> just like any other wm/DE
[00:36] <xyzzy__> I like the simplicity. Don't know what you mean by too many things. In comparison to Unity, it's heaven.
[00:37] <reisio> compositing is rarely useful
[00:37] <reisio> 3d too
[00:37] <reisio> even though it does compositing
[00:37] <dale> Radiance-monochrome works, thanks, I wanted a neutral theme
[00:37] <Johnny_Linux> cool
[00:37] <reisio> my trouble is that I know it's not a real 3d environment :p
[00:37] <syadnom> the fluff in most de annoys me.  KDE and the rediculous blue glow around everything, gag
[00:39] <kuba7447> why is there a menu button on xfce if u can right click?
[00:40] <reisio> that used to annoy me
[00:40] <reisio> now what annoys me is that you can't trust them to stick with one design goal
[00:40] <reisio> each version all the ideas are abandoned
[00:40] <chileno> somebody know alsa
[00:40] <reisio> that's no way to run a project
[00:40] <xyzzy__> extra functionality? lol
[00:40] <reisio> kuba7447: why not
[00:40] <syadnom> reisio, you're talking about KDE?
[00:40] <reisio> Xfce is big on not pointlessly abandoning things people use already
[00:40] <reisio> syadnom: and GNOME
[00:40] <xyzzy__> ^
[00:40] <reisio> kde 3 -> 4, gnome 2 -> 3
[00:40] <reisio> take your pick
[00:41] <kuba7447> xfce dosent feel right
[00:41] <reisio> if I had used either of those, I would've felt utterly betrayed
[00:41] <syadnom> reisio, to be fair, people screemed over their aggresive changes to the environments so they had to adjust...
[00:41] <reisio> kuba7447: so don't use it :)
[00:41] <reisio> syadnom: yeah, Microsoft does that, too
[00:41] <kuba7447> too many options, therefore not simple
[00:41] <reisio> just enough to shut them up :p
[00:41] <reisio> kuba7447: heh
[00:41] <syadnom> reisio, yeah, win8 anyone lol
[00:41] <xyzzy__> comes down to personal taste which is fair enough. As long as we're using the distro, it doesn't matter what DE you're using
[00:41] <reisio> kuba7447: try a wm alone, then
[00:41] <kuba7447> light weight but not simple
[00:41] <reisio> xyzzy__: but it matters you're using this distro? :)
[00:41] <syadnom> kuba7447, try MATE
[00:42] <kuba7447> i did tried mate, its good
[00:42] <xyzzy__> reisio: well.. yeah :)
[00:42] <kuba7447> its gnome 2 based if im not wrong....
[00:42] <xyzzy__> it matter that anybody is using any distro tbh
[00:43] <xyzzy__> matters*
[00:43] <syadnom> I try to keep everything vanilla, I work on so many computers a highly customized one is a hinderance.  so KDE is super annoying because I have to tweak to much to tollerate it
[00:43] <reisio> kuba7447: yup
[00:43] <syadnom> MATE is Gnome2 renamed
[00:43] <reisio> yeah, better to use something vanilla that doesn't constantly betray its users
[00:43] <reisio> than fight upstream 24/7
[00:43] <xyzzy__> so many forks!
[00:44] <reisio> so few mashed potatoes
[00:44] <xyzzy__> ^
[00:44] <kuba7447> yes
[00:44] <kuba7447> forks , thats one problem with linux
[00:44] <reisio> nope
[00:44] <reisio> sure isn't
[00:44] <syadnom> not forks, derivitives
[00:45] <reisio> people who think every fork matters, that's a problem
[00:45] <reisio> ignorance, that's a problem :)
[00:45] <reisio> forks in general, wonderful
[00:45] <reisio> don't like something, fork it, it's beautiful
[00:45] <xyzzy__> I dunno. I think forks are important. People doing their own thing in their own way. Forks are there in name only... the base is still the same.
[00:45] <reisio> as long as you are forking for yourself and not some kind of hero worship, everyone'll be happy
[00:45] <B0g4r7> I stick with gnome2 myself.  Toss in Docky and it's good to go.
[00:45] <xyzzy__> What reisio said.
[00:46] <kuba7447> as long as the fork is actualy better, then its ok
[00:46] <reisio> better is subjective
[00:46] <reisio> as long as you aren't inflicting something I've not expressed an interest in in my face, it's all good
[00:46] <reisio> you can say that about most anything
[00:47] <B0g4r7> Fohshizzle.  Spam comes to mind, among other things.
[00:47] <reisio> not real food
[00:48] <syadnom> forking in the OSS world seems to be what's needed.  A community will run it's course, get stagnant, and if the software is any good it will get forked and that will carry on the legacy.
[00:48] <xyzzy__> haha.... completely unrelated.... terminal emulator of choice? I like Terminator.
[00:48] <xyzzy__> but open to other suggestions
[00:48] <syadnom> xyzzy__, depends on the distro...
[00:49] <xyzzy__> xubuntu is what I'm running as my main atm syadnom
[00:49] <xyzzy__> totally agree syadnom
[00:49] <Johnny_Linux> i have all 7 on one machine, 1 os
[00:49] <kuba7447> open source....
[00:49] <syadnom> i dont run xubuntu myself so I don't know what i'd prefer there
[00:49] <reisio> xyzzy__: what DE you use?
[00:49] <reisio> oh GNOME/Unity
[00:49] <reisio> I'd just use gnome-terminal
[00:49] <syadnom> vanilla ubuntu right now (and a win8 laptop)
[00:49] <reisio> for Xfce, xfce4-terminal is fine
[00:50] <reisio> I had occasion to try evilvte the other day
[00:50] <reisio> pretty featureful yet light vte term
[00:50] <xyzzy__> haven't tried that one.... will look into it
[00:50] <syadnom> but I'm considering kubuntu and taking plasma5 for a spin
[00:50] <syadnom> gnome terminal is what I usually use though
[00:51] <kuba7447> is it hard to make a DE ?
[00:52] <xyzzy__> Not if you have the know how but that's way out of my league. I'm certainly not a dev
[00:52] <syadnom> kuba7447, that's pretty subjective.  if you mean glue a bunch of stuff together around an existing toolkit then not terrible hard...
[00:52] <reisio> I think it's a pretty straightforward process these days
[00:52] <reisio> since there are _so many_ examples
[00:52] <reisio> and the vast majority implement all the same fundamental base features
[00:53] <gagalicious> mount.nfs4: mounting <IP_ADDRESS>:/srv/nfs4 failed, reason given by server: No such file or directory... i know all i have to do is...  "mount -t nfs4 <IP_ADDRESS>:/ tmp" which will work coz my fsid=0 is in the export file on server... so how do i do the previous kind of mount where i can specify a specific directory for different mounts? coz i would like to have different export mount points.
[00:53] <reisio> particularly on Unix systems, where you're just making frontends
[00:53] <kuba7447> i always wanted to make a DE that will be better than every other DE
[00:53] <reisio> kuba7447: do eet
[00:53] <syadnom> for example, cinnemon is gnome3 with a lot of defaults set to make it look/work like gnome2
[00:53] <syadnom> it's not really a unique de in that regard
[00:54] <kuba7447> i will call it flow, it will be the best desktop environment ever
[00:54] <xyzzy__> do it kuba7447
[00:54] <reisio> kuba7447: noyce
[00:55] <kuba7447> i will do, just wait few years...
[00:56] <reisio> will do
[00:56] <HackerII> the only thing you will do is, sit in your cubical and do as your told.
[00:56] <kuba7447> wut?
[00:57] <gagalicious> http://pastebin.com/yQY4q19r  <-- help... nfs question
[01:02] <Ryein> how can i connect to Ubuntu remotely?
[01:02] <Ryein> should i use xrdp or something else?
[01:04] <gagalicious> ok i solved it.. .the problem with nfs4 is ... first top level fsid=0... the rest sub directories have to be within the top directory... now my question to nfs4 is... how do i protect which directory is accessible from which client? since fsid=0 and then the subdirectories have to be within the root fsid=0 folder
[01:05] <c0nfuseki> hello... I am having trouble updating my ubuntu. Apparently from a google search, I have too many kernel images. I tried to follow the instructions, but I needed to 'aptitude'; but i have to apt-get to get aptitude onto my box... which i cannot because of the kernel problem (apprently). my error I get when I try to update is: "no space left on device" "E: mkinitramfs failure cpio 141 gzip 1". any help would be much appreciated.
[01:06] <esr_> I like Peach OSI
[01:06] <Pazooza> Delete all but the last 2 kernel versions in /boot, C0n
[01:08] <OerHeks> c0nfuseki, no need for aptitude, there is a script that removes all unwanted kernels, and leaves current and last one ..
[01:09] <OerHeks> c0nfuseki, http://askubuntu.com/questions/401581/bash-one-liner-to-delete-only-old-kernels
[01:10] <c0nfuseki> thanks. i'll follow that
[01:10] <Pazooza> All you need is gnome-commander in root mode.
[01:11] <c0nfuseki> ok. thanks too Pazooza. if that link doesn't help me, i'll ask you for more info.
[01:12] <OerHeks> dpkg -l linux-* | awk '/^ii/{ print $2}' | grep -v -e `uname -r | cut -f1,2 -d"-"` | grep -e [0-9] | grep -E "(image|headers)" | xargs sudo apt-get -y purge
[01:16] <lost> hello ubuntu world
[01:18] <kuba7447> hello
[01:20] <Emanuel> Anyone here on Optimum Online and use their smart router but have their ubuntu system hand DHCP and DNS?
[01:20] <zumba_addict> good evening folks. I checked if mysql is installed and this is what I got - http://pastebin.com/D8G3EU8S
[01:21] <kuba7447> i use my smart phone as a router , android tethering
[01:21] <zumba_addict> am I right that when i install mysql-server, it should affect the installed php?
[01:21] <zumba_addict> oops
[01:21] <zumba_addict> am I right that when i install mysql-server, it should NOT affect the installed php?
[01:22] <Emanuel> kuba7447, that would work for me if I kept my smart phome home all the time ;-)
[01:26] <erik_> haakon
[01:27] <erik_> Hello?
[01:27] <reisio> lost: hah, this show is great, he hates everything just like me :p
[01:29] <erik_> Hello!
[01:30] <zumba_ad_> just like to confirm folks, please let me know
[01:33] <user__> hello
[01:41] <ajm6677> riveting.
[01:45] <deadsoul> hi... why Ctrl+alt+F[1..12] doesn't show any tty ? except the F7 which brings me back to the X window.. I'm using kubuntu 15.04
[01:48] <HallateM> can somebody point me to a walkthrough how to install pptpd on Ubuntu 14.04 ?
[01:49] <HallateM> i've been googling around but can't find anything that is for 14.04
[01:49] <HallateM> the 12.* guides don't work
[01:49] <aeon-ltd> !pptpd
[01:49] <aeon-ltd> heh worth a shot
[01:49] <HallateM> thanks for trying anyway :)
[01:53] <deadsoul> hello
[01:56] <soixante> hello guys. what does it mean "is to be installed" when using apt-get ?????  i mean, it has the dependency listed for the package, but then it says a different version is to be installed. i dont get it???!
[01:58] <zorlac> hello all
[01:59] <zorlac> Hey im rather new to irc how to i view my friend list?
[01:59] <xbox> hello
[01:59] <xbox> hello
[02:02] <Voyage> I need a very EASY tool that can open a video file and cut/crop but gray/scramble area/watermake on password fiels or user name etc type of things in the video
[02:02] <Voyage> any app?
[02:03] <zorlac> nope no idea
[02:06] <deadsoul> how can i exit the x server ?
[02:06] <deadsoul> how can i exit the x server ?
[02:07] <kinduff> I'm trying to set my BCM4331 wifi card into Monitor Mode, should I use B43 driver for this?
[02:07] <gagalicious> what's the lightest x environment for linux?
[02:08] <Guest40538> Q
[02:09] <zheng> hello
[02:10] <zheng> 有懂中文的？
[02:11] <linuxuz3r> try ubuntu-cn
[02:11] <linuxuz3r> try #ubuntu-cn
[02:12] <Baltazar> ... Hello!
[02:12] <zumba_ad_> guys how can I cd to /var/lib/mysql/
[02:12] <zumba_ad_> i;m getting permssion denied
[02:12] <zumba_ad_> when i sudo cd /var/lib/mysql/, command not found
[02:12] <Baltazar> sudo
[02:12] <teward> zumba_ad_: you don't as a standard user
[02:12] <zumba_ad_> ^
[02:13] <Baltazar> open a root terminal
[02:13] <teward> zumba_ad_: sudo to a superuser prompt though, and maybe you can.
[02:13] <teward> zumba_ad_: but you really shouldn't mess with that folder unless you know what you're doing
[02:13] <zumba_ad_> ok
[02:13] <Baltazar> then go there
[02:13] <deadsoul> zumba_ad_: sudo su, or su... enter the password... then cd /var/lib
[02:13] <zumba_ad_> i just want to see the logs :)
[02:13] <zumba_ad_> ok
[02:13] <zumba_ad_> trying it now
[02:13] <zumba_ad_> sweet, it worked :D
[02:14] <deadsoul> guys I'm trying to enter the tty1...6 but when I press ctrl+alt+f2...6 it just shows a black blank screen without letting me entering anything.. i'm using kubuntu 15.04
[02:15] <Baltazar> Hey buntus... I have 2 annoyances I want to fix... my clock, it insist on 24v hour no matter what I do to set it to am pm time... and my first day of the week is on monday when it should be sunday!!!
[02:15] <OerHeks> TTY2 for text & TTY7 for gui again
[02:15] <deadsoul> OerHeks: tty2 doesn't work
[02:16] <deadsoul> OerHeks: it just shows a blank black screen
[02:16] <OerHeks> ctrl alt f2 should bring you to a login
[02:17] <deadsoul> OerHeks: exactly ... but it doesn't
[02:17] <deadsoul> it's a fresh installation
[02:18] <fey> hi all
[02:18] <powersurge> on ubuntu gnome 15.04 on an xps 13 in chrome if I two finger scroll it ends with a right click
[02:18] <powersurge> any tips on how to debug this?
[02:18] <deadsoul> anyone knows why ?
[02:18] <deadsoul> or how to fix this ?
[02:19] <powersurge> mmm, looks like two finger tap to click is happening in every app although I have tap to click turned off
[02:19] <Baltazar> ... have you tested the mouse with other system ...
[02:20] <powersurge> it's a touchpad
[02:20] <powersurge> and it only happens after the system has been on for ~20 minutes
[02:20] <powersurge> very curious.
[02:20] <powersurge> also, if I open up the test settings pane of the gnome mouse & trackpad settings
[02:20] <powersurge> it doesn't register the two finger tap (as expected)
[02:20] <Baltazar> ... fisical problem...
[02:21] <powersurge> so I'm not really sure which software is responsible for this problem
[02:21] <dcz> hello guys, i installed freebsd but i can't see it in grub list however i used to see my old freebsd in grub before new installation
[02:21] <Baltazar> update grub list... some command...
[02:21] <Baltazar> am not remembering at the moment
[02:22] <powersurge> Baltazar: I don't think it's a physical problem because it only happes after x amount of time
[02:22] <powersurge> a reboot fixes it
[02:22] <powersurge> seems like some kind of software somewhere is messing up some state and misinterpretting the signal or something
[02:22] <powersurge> I'd imagine if I could figure out what log to look into I'd have a nice informative error message waiting for me, heh
[02:22] <powersurge> nothing in dmesg
[02:23] <Baltazar> do test with a live cd, it might be fisical or because humidity messing the pad... but if it does not happen with live system then it is software... but odd!
[02:23] <Emanuel> Anyone here on Optimum Online and use their smart router but have their ubuntu system hand DHCP and DNS?
[02:24] <kinduff> Hello. I'm trying to setup my wifi card BCM4331 14e4:4331 to monitor mode using wl, seems like it's not supported. It looks like b34 drivers are installed but sudo modprobe b43 is locking me out.
[02:24] <kinduff> How can I archieve this successfully?
[02:24] <powersurge> tap to right click doesn't happen at all in gtk applications apparently
[02:25] <powersurge> nautilus & my terminal are fine...
[02:25] <powersurge> right click happens in gnome shell application selector though
[02:25] <powersurge> what on earth, man
[02:26] <Baltazar> strage...
[02:26] <Baltazar> strange*
[02:27] <powersurge> bah, is there a way to disable the multitouch portion of the touchpad?
[02:27] <powersurge> without disabling the touchpad as a whole?
[02:28] <Baltazar> I want to get my clock to use AM PM time... and get sunday as my first week day!!! Any pointers??? Can't belive this is still a proble in 2015...
[02:30] <difol> anyone can help?
[02:31] <difol> I am new on ubuntu
[02:31] <Baltazar> I want to get my clock to use AM PM time, it insist in 24 Hour ... and get sunday as my first week day!!! Any pointers??? Can't belive this is still a problem in 2015...
[02:31] <promet> Hi, Is there a way to have "Alt-Tab" switch between open windows on all desktops, as in Gnome-Shell, rather than the open windows on the current desktop?
[02:31] <promet> In Unity, I should mention
[02:32] <Baltazar> powersurge... have you tryed to reload the touch pad driver... if that is even posible?
[02:34] <pavlos> Baltazar, is there an option in the Time settings to select 12- or 24- clock?
[02:34] <powersurge> not sure how to do that Baltazar
[02:41] <Baltazar> palvos... yes... and it only chages the time in the configuration window but not at the tool bar... am using Gnome in 14.04.2
[02:42] <Baltazar> My locale is Puerto Rico, but it seems messed up or whoever made/mantains this have no clue that Puerto Rico uses
[02:44] <Baltazar> I mean, sure the date is display: day - month - year
[02:44] <Baltazar> but why monday as begining of the week
[02:45] <Baltazar> it is like in US... and I think all of Americas use Sunday as first day of week!!!
[02:46] <Baltazar> Gnome feels nice but it always has this "nazi" moments that I detest
[02:54] <Baltazar> ... so... no way to make Gnome use AM PM time??? nor change first day of week??
[02:55] <pavlos> Baltazar, I assume you mean gnome3 which I dont have. I use 14.04, unity and am able to set the time to am/pm. Calendar starts on Sunday
[02:56] <stevendale> How big should the EFI system partition be in Ubuntu?
[02:56] <Baltazar> yep... Gnome... 3 since thats the new one...
[02:58] <pavlos> Baltazar, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-desktop-74/custom-gnome-shell-clock-format-939981/
[03:02] <Bashing-om> stevendale: I often see the recommendation of 250MB .
[03:02] <stevendale> Bashing-om, Thanks
[03:03] <stevendale> If I have a EFI System partition, do I still need a 1MB partition for biosgrub?
[03:03] <zhongfu> nope
[03:03] <zhongfu> biosgrub is only for BIOS systems using GPT partitions
[03:03] <stevendale> zhongfu, Thanks again :)
[03:03] <zhongfu> since GPT doesn't have a free space in front unlike MBR
[03:03] <pavlos> Baltazar, there is a gconf-editor tool and a gnome tweak tool you can install
[03:05] <xentity1x> Hi my thinkpad w530 wont boot when I set the display option to discrete mode. I just get a blank screen after grub. Can someone help me figure this out?
[03:05] <SirTuxlnx> IRC.TWIT.TV
[03:08] <Baltazar> tweak toll seems to be install... will see... I have to LOL short of a desire to strangle a developer because this is ridicules... so annoying and incredible that windblows can do this and gnome is still fooling around...
[03:09] <Baltazar> tool*
[03:10] <c0nfuseki> hello peoples... it appears i am afraid i have broken my kernel (convinced if I reboot -- my computer will die). http://paste.ubuntu.com/11705740/ any assistance will be appreciated.
[03:10] <xentity1x> Hi my thinkpad w530 wont boot when I set the display option to discrete mode. I just get a blank screen after grub. Can someone help me figure this out?
[03:11] <xentity1x> Hi my thinkpad w530 wont boot when I set the display option to discrete mode. I just get a blank screen after grub. Can someone help me figure this out?
[03:11] <Baltazar> also... for some odd reason the section of mentioned on linuxquestions is not present in this gnome for some "nazi" reason I presume
[03:12] <Bashing-om> c0nfuseki: This: "gzip: stdout: No space left on device " /boot partition full ? what shows from terminal command ' df -h ' ?
[03:13] <salvum> Is anyone going to defcon
[03:15] <zorlac> hey any php masters in here
[03:16] <B0g4r7> Yeah, you need to free up some space.  I thought ubuntu didn't normally have a separate /boot fs...
[03:19] <c0nfuseki> how to I @ someone?
[03:19] <lotuspsychje> c0nfuseki: ask in #freenode mate
[03:20] <Baltazar> Am trying to set this PC for a Low Vision Person... just need  clock set to am pm and first day of week set...
[03:20] <c0nfuseki> oh. okay. the result of me typing df -h
[03:20] <c0nfuseki> Filesystem                    Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[03:20] <c0nfuseki> /dev/mapper/xubuntu--vg-root  455G   29G  403G   7% /
[03:20] <c0nfuseki> none                          4.0K     0  4.0K   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
[03:20] <c0nfuseki> udev                          1.9G  8.0K  1.9G   1% /dev
[03:20] <c0nfuseki> tmpfs                         390M  1.1M  389M   1% /run
[03:20] <Bashing-om> !tab | c0nfuseki
[03:21] <Bashing-om> !paste | c0nfuseki
[03:24] <The> results of when i type the command: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11705818/
[03:24] <The> sorry, I'm c0nfuseki. I think i'm having connection issues
[03:32] <The> thank you for your assistance, Bashing; And sorry for the spam everyone. the output of the command is here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11705818/
[03:33] <Bashing-om> TheFriendlyGhost: "/dev/sda1                     236M  232M     0 100% /boot" We can try ' sudo apt-get autoremove ' With no headroom (100% capacity) may not work .
[03:33] <ColinChan> hi
[03:34] <Bashing-om> The: ^^ sorry about that bad highlight .
[03:35] <Baltazar> That loos odd... how did you installed this???
[03:35] <ColinChan> how to use this chat tool?
[03:35] <lotuspsychje> ColinChan: you have joined an ubuntu support channel
[03:36] <Baltazar> looks*
[03:36] <lotuspsychje> ColinChan: ask problems about ubuntu here
[03:36] <The> hmm. thanks for the suggestion, Bashing... but I get the error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11705867/
[03:36] <ColinChan> yes
[03:36] <The> yes... they are prettty strict if you paste code in the chat accidentally
[03:36] <Bashing-om> The: look'n .
[03:37] <ColinChan> i'm a new user of ubuntu
[03:38] <ColinChan> how to install QQ in ubuntu platform
[03:38] <ColinChan> :
[03:38] <ColinChan> ?
[03:39] <Baltazar> link to know what qq is???
[03:40] <Bashing-om> The: You have had a problem for a while, huh ? We do this manually to remove old kernels. 'dpkg -l | grep linux- | pastebinit' . for the place to start .
[03:41] <lotuspsychje> !details | ColinChan
[03:42] <The> wow. i had no idea. thanks Bashing.... Hey ColinChan... take note; You'll have to do this too eventually.
[03:42] <The> the paste from dpkg -l | grep linux- is http://paste.ubuntu.com/11705883/
[03:43] <Baltazar> ... wow... that is full
[03:44] <Bashing-om> The: Look'n at your http://paste.ubuntu.com/11705883/ .
[03:45] <The> i don't know why i have utopic there... i'm using trusty tahir 14.4.2
[03:45] <Baltazar> good night...
[03:45] <The> night.
[03:51] <_Dejavu1> hey, crowd, where should I store my VMachines? in /usr ?
[03:52] <jamesd>  /var  /virtuals  /home/virtuals  .... not in /usr
[03:52] <jamesd> er /var/virtuals
[03:53] <_Dejavu1> thank you jamesd
[03:53] <Bashing-om> The: Before we start removing kernels. need to know what kernel you are bootin so we do not remove it . show ' uname -r '  .
[03:59] <The> it says that 3.16.0-38-generic is my kernel
[04:00] <The> (which is strange because i have a ...40 in that file.)
[04:02] <Bashing-om> The: Good. 1 of 4 ' sudo dpkg -P linux-image-extra-3.16.0-{31,33,34,36,37}-generic ' If that goes well we continue with the other 3 .
[04:05] <The> okay. it seems that went okay without a hitch. however, when I dpkg -l | grep linux- | pastebinit again, I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/11705976/ which doesn't seem to have removed anything
[04:06] <The> (i know i know 3 more steps remaining)
[04:06] <EriC^^> The: what did you do?
[04:06] <EriC^^> manually delete the kernels?
[04:08] <The> i'm following bashing's advice on "sudo dpkg -P linux-image-extra-3.16.0-{31,33,34,36,37}-generic"
[04:09] <EriC^^> The: try it without the -extra
[04:09] <EriC^^> linux-image-3.16.0-{31,33,34,36,37}-generic
[04:09] <zorlac_dmt> how do i get php to (condition) for a text file one line at a time
[04:10] <zorlac_dmt> everytime i use foreach it seems to apply the condition to everyline
[04:10] <EriC^^> The: what are the next steps anyways, i don't want to tread on anyone's toes
[04:11] <Bashing-om> The: EriC^^ Yepper, that is step #2 .
[04:11] <hjarntvatt> Zorlac try fgets() function in php
[04:11] <hjarntvatt> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13246597/how-to-read-a-file-line-by-line-in-php
[04:11] <hjarntvatt> This helped me
[04:12] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: The ::next is to remove the headers .
[04:13] <The> okay... i have also now done "sudo dpkg -P linux-image-3.16.0-{31,33,34,36,37}-generic"
[04:13] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: ok, cool
[04:14] <Bashing-om> the #3 ' sudo dpkg -P linux-headers-3.16.0-{31,33,34,36,37}-generic ; and then ' #4 ' sudo dpkg -P linux-headers-3.16.0-{31,33,34,36,37} .
[04:16] <B0g4r7> 236MB is not a great size for /boot.  I'd recommend at least 1GB.
[04:16] <EriC^^> 1gb is kind of huge for a desktop
[04:16] <jamesd> B0g4r7: why so big? i remember it being recomended size of 128MB
[04:16] <EriC^^> then again why even have a separate /boot
[04:17] <B0g4r7> Yeah, yeah.  Nevertheless, this situation occurred here now with 236MB.
[04:17] <B0g4r7> EriC^^, or that.
[04:17] <EriC^^> jamesd: nah that's too small
[04:17] <EriC^^> jamesd: i have 2 kernels and it's larger than that
[04:17] <smacktalk> I'm trying to restore th linux image on a jail broke nook
[04:17] <Bashing-om> ^^ +10 ! only required in LVM and very special applications .
[04:17] <MCSH> For desktop 200mb is enough
[04:17] <EriC^^> i think 400mb
[04:18] <EriC^^> cause you need more than 200 just to upgrade a kernel
[04:18] <jamesd> on my ubuntu system /boot isn't seperate, and i have about 6 kernels, and its only 181MB
[04:18] <smacktalk> I want it to stay an android device, and not a nook...I just need it to not have my personal account information
[04:18] <EriC^^> unless you want to remove the old one and then install the new, and then it might not boot it..
[04:18] <EriC^^> jamesd: hmm mine is 220mb i think
[04:18] <The> i think perhaps boot is small so people learn how to do this because if the time passes until it is large, it will happen less frequently and less people will be forced to learn to spread the information
[04:18] <EriC^^> but i have efi
[04:19] <EriC^^> so that's counting /boot/efi
[04:19] <EriC^^> ah ok, with du -shx /boot it's 94mb
[04:19] <EriC^^> that was the efi partition making it 200+mb
[04:19] <Bashing-om> The: see: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1357093 .
[04:19] <EriC^^> i guess about 200mb is more than enough
[04:21] <Bashing-om> The: Is step #4 done ? Ready to proceed ?
[04:21] <The> okay. I have followed steps 3 and 4. when I dpkg -l | grep linux- | pastebinit I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/11706006/
[04:22] <jamesd> i guess it really doesn't matter, even a $100 ssd, is 250GB.... and spinnning rust really are hard to find at less than 300GB  and 5TB are just over $100 each.
[04:22] <The> somehow linux-image-extra-3.16.0-30-generic is still there despite me following your advice on trying to remove it?
[04:23] <The> should i try step 1 again?
[04:23] <Bashing-om> the ' sudo dpkg -P linux-image-extra-3.16.0-{31,33,34,36,37}-generic ' .
[04:25] <Bashing-om> the -30, maybe we can deak with that directly. presently we only want to get some operating head room and get linux-generic-lts-utopic fully installed .
[04:25] <EriC^^> http://askubuntu.com/questions/18804/what-do-the-various-dpkg-flags-like-ii-rc-mean
[04:25] <EriC^^> ( btw where the heck is the man page for those? )
[04:26] <The> oh... i see there are warning about those kernels.... http://paste.ubuntu.com/11706019/
[04:26] <EriC^^> The: the 40 kernel isn't installed properly
[04:27] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: IRT the flags, where I found them : https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_debian_package_management_prerequisites .
[04:28] <The> when I dpkg -l | grep linux- | pastebinit again... i get http://paste.ubuntu.com/11706022/ though
[04:28] <The> yeah. it's possible my -40 kernel never loaded properly
[04:28] <The> thanks for the suggestion Eric
[04:29] <EriC^^> The: try sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-3.16.0-40-generic
[04:29] <The> okay/
[04:29] <Bashing-om> The: Think we are still alright. show us a new dpkg ; for an updated status .
[04:30] <The> Eric, when I sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-3.16.0-40-generic, errors of http://paste.ubuntu.com/11706028/
[04:30] <EriC^^> The: try sudo apt-get -f install
[04:31] <The> the output of dpkg -l | grep linux- | pastebinit is http://paste.ubuntu.com/11706030/
[04:32] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: any reason you left the 30 kernel there?
[04:33] <The> i was using that 30 as an example
[04:33] <EriC^^> The: which kernel are you using right now?
[04:33] <EriC^^> ( type uname -r )
[04:34] <Bashing-om> The: That output says " not look'n too shabby'// As to the -30 kernel, just an oversight on my part . ( I should have double checked ) .
[04:34] <The> i tried sudo apt-get -f install to what appears to be success. http://paste.ubuntu.com/11706035/
[04:34] <EriC^^> oh ok
[04:34] <Flannel> Bashing-om, EriC^^: They're not in any man page that I know, but they're explained at the top of the dpkg --list thing (in a little ascii menu thing)
[04:34] <EriC^^> Flannel: ah, thanks :)
[04:35] <The> uname -r still gives me 3.16.0-38-generic
[04:35] <EriC^^> The: ok, type sudo apt-get purge linux-image-3.16.0-30-generic
[04:36] <Bashing-om> The: OK, let's see what results from EriC^^ directive ' suo apt-get -f install ' see if that corrects the "linux-generic-lts-utopic" packages (iu status) .
[04:37] <EriC^^> The: then type sudo apt-get purge linux-image-extra-3.16.0-39-generic , and please show the output of dpkg -l again
[04:38] <diytto> Does anyone have a good alternative to the OpenVPN server? I'm looking for something without licensing fees
[04:56] <bojan> What is the channel name for installing ubuntu mobile??
[04:56] <zhongfu> diytto: i'm pretty sure only OpenVPN AS requires licensing fees
[04:56] <zhongfu> bojan: #ubuntu-touch
[04:56] <zhongfu> wait nope
[04:57] <diytto> zhongfu: what's up dude lol
[04:57] <zhongfu> ah yes #ubuntu-touch
[04:57] <zhongfu> diytto: nm you?
[04:57] <diytto> haven't seen you in a while :p
[04:57] <zhongfu> yeah i've been too lazy to get back on i guess
[04:57] <diytto> zhongfu: you still active with jb stuff?
[04:58] <zhongfu> nope, i've never really owned many idevices anyway
[04:58] <diytto> ah okay
[05:03] <garlotch> Just got 14.04.2. Major bug still, can't drag applications/shortcuts onto desktop.
[05:03] <garlotch> any way to fix this?
[05:04] <badbodh> garlotch, go to folder /usr/share/applications , copy-paste the app shortcut(s)
[05:05] <badbodh> if in kde, then one extra step: right-click>properties>permissions>run as executable. unity/gnome etc don't need it
[05:06] <Bashing-om> The: Status ? you still with us ?
[05:06] <bojan> I want to install ubuntu on my mobile..is it possible??
[05:07] <The> sorry to interrupt... but is there a cookie or kudos or a thumbs up I can give people?
[05:07] <badbodh> bojan, one day friend, one day
[05:07] <cfhowlett> !touch | bojan
[05:09] <agent_white> Evenin' folks
[05:10] <nexia> 'evenin
[05:10] <Bashing-om> the Hey just a thnak you, job well done works for me . You all set now ? ' sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt full-upgrade ' runs clean ?
[05:10] <EriC^^> The: there's just linux-image-3.16.0-39-generic
[05:10] <EriC^^> The: sudo apt-get purge linux-image-3.16.0-39-generic
[05:11] <EriC^^> then you should be all good kernel-wise i think
[05:12] <garlotch> badbodh, yeah that's what I have been doing. Is there a way to.. make an executable desktop shortcut to open this folder though?
[05:12] <badbodh> you mean a folder shortcut ?
[05:13] <badbodh> middle-click-drag the folder, drop it on desktop
[05:13] <badbodh> ^^that?
[05:18] <bojan> badbodh:I dont understand
[05:18] <The> thank you both Bashing and EriC. :)
[05:18] <bojan> badbodh:can we install or not??
[05:18] <The> one thing though... when I uname -r it says that I am still on "3.16.0-38-generic"
[05:19] <bojan> The:When did you update last??
[05:19] <The> i thought i did just now with "sudo apt full-upgrade"
[05:20] <Bashing-om> The: :) Have you rebooted ? ( sometimes twice ) .. also IF you are on 14.10 (utopic0 it goes end of life this month . do ' lsb_release -a ; cat etc/issue ' to know what release you are on .
[05:21] <The> i'm in trusty 14.4.2 (with a utopic kernel for some reason.)
[05:21] <The> but i'll add that to my notes
[05:22] <garlotch> badbodh, thanks so much :)
[05:22] <garlotch> peace out guys.
[05:23] <badbodh> bojan, not today. did you check out the link shared by ubottu ? says 'work in progress'
[05:23] <bojan> ok
[05:28] <Bashing-om> The: Maybe : check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack ; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/1204_HWE_EOL .
[05:42] <inerkick> Hi Team I got Ubuntu 14.04 Mate and Ubuntu 14.04 Gnome. yesterday some thing happened with my Mate while installing LIghttable IDE and I was getting black screen. So I installed Ubuntu 14.04 Gnome now. I right now need to uninstall Mate .. How to do that without affecting my Gnome installation
[05:42] <inerkick> kindly help soon
[05:42] <MBX> hello
[05:42] <inerkick> Hello
[05:42] <MCSH> inerkick run sudo apt-get purge PACKAGE
[05:43] <user34567> is there any general /known issue with update servers at the moment? I seem to be getting 503 errors from the main & AU main server when trying to apt-get update
[05:43] <inerkick> Hi MCSH.. Remember we tried to install Lighttable yesterday
[05:43] <inerkick> what will this command  sudo apt-get purge PACKAGE do?
[05:44] <MCSH> inerkick I actually don't remember. .. it will remo package and it's dependecies (the ones that no one else needs) from your system, just replace it with Mate
[05:44] <inerkick> you mean to say  sudo apt-get purge Mate
[05:45] <MCSH> User34567 I'm experiencing problems as well... not sure if it's me or servers
[05:45] <MCSH> Yes
[05:45] <inerkick> right now I'm installing extra for gnome, and few other softwares, will removing simultaneously works MCSH?
[05:45] <MCSH> I don't think so
[05:46] <inerkick> ok
[05:46] <user34567> MCSH thanks - i saw there is an openSSL patch released - I wondered if servers are getting slammed because of people updating for that
[05:46] <inerkick> so will the login environment changes after removing MATE, MCS
[05:47] <MCSH> I've been trying to update my ubuntu since last night,  and servers aren't responding well so... :)
[05:48] <inerkick> yeah one more questions. How to get Humanity-dark theme for Gnome3, MCSH, I got something like Adwaith, you know how to get this old theme for gnome 3.14
[05:49] <MCSH> Inerkick I'm sorry I'm clueless, maybe someone else knows
[05:49] <inerkick> ok is this code to give to remove MATE "sudo apt-get purge Mate" or "sudo apt-get remove --purge ubuntu-mate-core ubuntu-mate-desktop"
[05:50] <inerkick> I got the drive space for that installation which is around 200GB
[05:51] <MCSH> no it would be: sudo apt-get purge ubuntu-mate-core ubuntu-mate-desktop
[05:52] <cyberalex4life> inerkick, you could try sudo apt-get autoremove mate-desktop then sudo apt-get install ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[05:52] <inerkick> ok great.. since one link which I tried to search gave that .. ok thanks MCSH,
[05:52] <inerkick> ok cyberalex4life
[05:52] <inerkick> I don't want to remove gnome 3.14 I installed alongside Mate cyberalex4life...
[05:53] <cyberalex4life> the seccond will install all mising gnome apps
[05:53] <inerkick> i just want to remove mate, since mate got some issues, i just installed GNOmE 3.14 last night, cyberalex4life
[05:54] <inerkick> i'm installing currently ubuntu extras, so these gnome apps extras are different from ubuntu extras is it? cyberalex4life
[05:55] <cyberalex4life> inerkick, purge removes all settings of the packages installed, meaning not user settings (the one with dot.package, from home) but the ones like bumblebee.conf from /etc/bumblebee
[05:55] <inerkick> what you mean all settings, can you explain more of it in laymen terms
[05:57] <cyberalex4life> inerkick, ubuntu-restricted-extras are mainly codecs, from what I know, if you just want only mate off, just do sudo apt-get remove mate-desktop (this is the safest) but it may remain other packages installed too (better than loosing what you may need)
[05:57] <inerkick> so it's better to go with "sudo apt-get autoremove mate-desktop then sudo apt-get install ubuntu-gnome-desktop" than as MCSH suggest "sudo apt-get purge ubuntu-mate-core ubuntu-mate-desktop" is it
[05:58] <cyberalex4life> inerkick, I don't find ubuntu-mate-core in synaptic
[05:58] <inerkick> I am currently synaptic. SO not sure about that
[05:59] <OerHeks>  ubuntu-mate-core >> mate-core
[05:59] <MCSH> autoremove works better inerkick
[05:59] <cyberalex4life> inerkick, ubuntu-gnome-desktop is a meta (it links to all other packages from ubuntu-gnome)
[05:59] <inerkick> ok
[06:00] <inerkick> thank MCSH cyberalex4life, so helpful of you guys
[06:01] <cyberalex4life> inerkick, to keep in mind sudo apt-get autoremove --purge [package] will autoremove dependencies of the package together with system settings, sometimes removing too much
[06:01] <inerkick> oh
[06:01] <inerkick> k
[06:01] <cyberalex4life> inerkick, sudo apt-get remove --purge is equal to sudo apt-get purge
[06:01] <inerkick> ok
[06:04] <inerkick> few questions I got . yesterday I was trying to install Lighttable IDE using the link(http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2013/09/install-light-table-ide-create-launcher-ubuntu/), and I wasn't able to install due to some issues "libudev.so.0 or libudev.so.1 not found " and MATE got hangup for long time. When I restarted, it gone blank screen for many hours. Than I installed GNOME3.14 since I wanted to have it long time and MAte was bit too noisy and eating
[06:04] <inerkick>  up lot of my CPU performance. Now as I install gnome now and will remove Mate. I am still not able to figure it out will installing LIghttable now affects anything as earlier .. How to install lighttable ide if you could help me
[06:04] <inerkick> Kindly help cyberalex4life MCSH
[06:05] <inerkick> I found few links but concerned what might go wrong
[06:06] <cyberalex4life> inerkick, you could try this sudo apt-get install --reinstall libudev*
[06:07] <inerkick> I did that as one article suggested, but it didn't find that repo , not sure in exact words. But will try it now
[06:07] <inerkick> so you mean to install libudev* and than try to install Lighttable cyberalex4life
[06:08] <cyberalex4life> inerkick, also sudo apt-get install libudev1:i386
[06:08] <inerkick> ok
[06:08] <cyberalex4life> inerkick, first will install or reinstall the packages that start with libudev
[06:09] <inerkick> i installed both cyberalex4life
[06:09] <cyberalex4life> inerkick, ok see now...
[06:09] <inerkick> i was trying to follow this now http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2014/11/light-table-0-7-1-released-install-in-ubuntu/
[06:10] <inerkick> but gksu isn't working
[06:10] <inerkick> gksudo isn't installing
[06:10] <cyberalex4life> inerkick, sudo apt-get install --reinstall gksu
[06:11] <Trudko> Guys any straight forward way how to disable bluetooth on the startup ?  I did find this http://itsfoss.com/turn-off-bluetooth-by-default-in-ubuntu-14-04/ but it seems ridicious way how to do such a simple thing
[06:13] <cyberalex4life> Trudko, sudo gedit /etc/xdg/autostart/indicator-bluetooth.desktop
[06:14] <inerkick> it said "Unable to create a required folder. Please create the following folder, or set permissions such that it can be created:
[06:14] <inerkick> /root/.config/nautilus"
[06:14] <cyberalex4life> Trudko, then add X-GNOME-Autostart-enabled=false
[06:15] <Trudko> cyberalex4life: thank you, although I was more curious if there is more stratight forward way. I am curious if there are any plans to improve this?
[06:16] <Trudko> More generally does anybody fully undestand how does Canonical approach development these days? It seems to me that it doesnt focus on basics and try to focus on new stuff like mobile
[06:17] <cyberalex4life> Trudko, in  /etc/xdg/autostart/ there are all things that should start for all users, to take control over them, just copy the one needed to  ~/.config/autostart/ then manage them with Startup Applications
[06:17] <Trudko> I am saying this only because my experience on laptopt where battery life and especially tools seems backwards, there are still some problems with media and stability, but maybe it's just my bad luck
[06:18] <Trudko> cyberalex4life: thank you
[06:18] <inerkick> i installed lighttable, cyberalex4life,  but it's not opening
[06:18] <cyberalex4life> Trudko,  ~/.config/autostart/ has the highest precendence (meaning it will take over, much like ~/.local/share/applications/ over /usr/share/applications/)
[06:19] <cyberalex4life> wait a bit inerkick
[06:19] <Trudko> cyberalex4life: cool appreciate your help
[06:20] <cyberalex4life> inerkick, let's go back to gksu
[06:20] <inerkick> yeah, just one update and mate-desktop removing option I tried the command and it says "Package 'mate-desktop' is not installed,"
[06:21] <inerkick> ok what about gksu cyberalex4life
[06:21] <cyberalex4life> inerkick, does it work?
[06:21] <inerkick> i installed gksu and followed the steps http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2014/11/light-table-0-7-1-released-install-in-ubuntu/
[06:21] <inerkick> but lighttable doesn't open up
[06:22] <cyberalex4life> inerkick, run gksu gedit see it opens gedit
[06:22] <gagalicious> which is better? ubuntu or centos is better for server?
[06:22] <inerkick> yes it asks password and opens
[06:23] <cyberalex4life> inerkick, I am downloading lighttable see more the problem
[06:23] <inerkick> yeah sure
[06:24] <inerkick> do i need to symblink or something cyberalex4life sudo ln -s /opt/LightTable/LightTable /usr/local/bin/light-table as suggested in  ""http://askubuntu.com/questions/498505/how-do-i-install-light-table"
[06:26] <cyberalex4life> inerkick, open a normal terminal, type cd /opt/LightTable/
[06:26] <inerkick> ok done
[06:26] <cyberalex4life> inerkick, then run ./LightTable
[06:27] <inerkick> got error
[06:27] <cyberalex4life> inerkick, does it open?
[06:27] <inerkick> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11706386/
[06:27] <inerkick> not opens it says symblink
[06:29] <cyberalex4life> inerkick, I just installed it and it works...
[06:29] <inerkick> i got that error? is it symlink which I should do
[06:29] <inerkick> i gave you the link you saw?
[06:30] <inerkick> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11706397/ check this cyberalex4life
[06:31] <cyberalex4life> inerkick, sudo chown -R $USER:users /opt/LightTable/
[06:31] <cyberalex4life> inerkick, then run again, it has some errors, but it works for me
[06:32] <inerkick> no error
[06:32] <inerkick> got it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[06:32] <inerkick> thank god :D
[06:32] <inerkick> that's a huge relief and tip "sudo chown -R $USER:users /opt/LightTable/"
[06:33] <cyberalex4life> inerkick, well the ideea is that the default user on /opt/ is root
[06:33] <inerkick> ok
[06:33] <inerkick> ok thanks so much
[06:33] <inerkick> now the issue to remove MATE, cyberalex4life
[06:33] <inerkick> it didn't had desktop environment
[06:34] <inerkick> I got this line "Package 'mate-desktop' is not installed, so not removed " when gave the comment " sudo apt-get autoremove mate-desktop" "
[06:35] <cyberalex4life> inerkick, try this: sudo apt-get remove mate*
[06:35] <inerkick> now it's removing i guess
[06:35] <inerkick> yeah
[06:35] <gagalicious> i'm pxebooting from a nfs server.. diskless environment. i have special case where i'm using synergy "multi desktop single mouse/keyboard device" whereby requires a different hostname for detection. is there a way that i can assign a hostname to different ubuntu pxe boot while using the same nfs directory?
[06:37] <inerkick> it removed I guess and I gave the comment "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-gnome-desktop" now. and it's installing few things. Now will only I get GNOME3.14 isn't
[06:37] <inerkick> cyberalex4life:
[06:37] <cyberalex4life> inerkick, 'sudo dpkg --list *mate* | grep ii' will show any packages that have mate in the name and are still installed
[06:38] <inerkick> ok what I should do if there are few packages still with MATE , cyberalex4life
[06:40] <cyberalex4life> inerkick, you can uninstall them, I guess, copy them in a gedit window, then do sudo apt-get remove [packages with space]
[06:40] <boofsterb> hel
[06:40] <inerkick> ok , got it
[06:40] <inerkick> thanks for nice tip cyberalex4life, you are genius :)
[06:41] <cyberalex4life> inerkick, with spaces between them, I should be able to do it in a single line of command, but I'm not a command line guru and I would have to search
[06:42] <inerkick> ok ok
[06:48] <cyberalex4life> inerkick, I'm out
[06:48] <inerkick> ok have fun .. Thanks lot there was no MATE in the list anymore
[06:48] <inerkick> it was empty. THanks a lot
[06:58] <percival_> HEY GUYS
[06:59] <percival_> you know how man prints acc. to the size of the window with the "Manual pager utils" in the exact center of the terminal window, how to print likewise in the center of the window ?(using C )
[07:01] <percival_> anyone ?
[07:04] <TJ-> percival_: man generally uses 'less' as the default pager
[07:05] <percival_> thanks TJ will look it up
[07:10] <x44x45x41x4E> Any good GUI app for GPG?
[07:12] <jellow> !gpg | x44x45x41x4E
[07:12] <x44x45x41x4E> jellow: Oooh. Thanks for that.
[07:13] <jellow> x44x45x41x4E let us know if you want to know anything specific about gpg :)
[07:13] <x44x45x41x4E> jellow: I was following this guide: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-gpg-to-encrypt-and-sign-messages-on-an-ubuntu-12-04-vps
[07:14] <x44x45x41x4E> But I was wondering if there'd be a GUI app for GPG.
[07:14] <x44x45x41x4E> And what's the most secure way or option for generating a PGP key? Besides choosing RSA and RSA option?
[07:17] <TJ-> x44x45x41x4E: The password manager, 'seahorse', is the default GUI tool for key management
[07:18] <x44x45x41x4E> TJ-: I see. Thanks. I'll look it up. :)
[07:23] <help> hello friends
[07:23] <help> I am in need of assistance
[07:23] <help> before I kill myself
[07:23] <help> any takers
[07:24] <wisdomia> Is there anyone here who can help me with some hostname shit that's making me suicidal
[07:24] <OerHeks> wisdomia, sorry, i don't fall for suicide treads.
[07:24] <wisdomia> Ok I apologize for the suicide threat but I have been sitting here for hours trying to fix this
[07:24] <percival_> q
[07:24] <OerHeks> !hostname
[07:25] <percival_> quit
[07:25] <OerHeks> you need to edit it in 2 places
[07:25] <wisdomia> thats the thing, the site is working perfectly for everyone else and works from LTE on my phone
[07:26] <wisdomia> but when I connect from my main computer it doesn't resolve
[07:27] <rahsd> hello today I got this problem! http://paste.ubuntu.com/11706589/ any help on this. also as to why it happened?
[07:28] <TJ-> wisdomia: that suggests your local DNS is not returning the correct response. Try using "dig hostname"
[07:29] <wisdomia> I did that and it just returned to me some data
[07:30] <TJ-> wisdomia: that is what it is supposed to!
[07:30] <wisdomia> from the server I ran that, should I run it from my CMD line?
[07:30] <rahsd> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11706589/ ?
[07:31] <TJ-> wisdomia: from the system with the problem. If the answer section is empty then you can tell dig to use other DNS servers because it is likely your local DNS server is returning NXDOMAIN
[07:31] <wisdomia> The answer section is not empty it contains my hostname
[07:32] <wisdomia> it shows "
[07:32] <wisdomia> Server IP -> hostname
[07:32] <wisdomia> and the hostname -> Server IP under it
[07:32] <TJ-> wisdomia: but does it contain the IP address?
[07:32] <wisdomia> yes twice
[07:32] <TJ-> wisdomia: OK, so it *does* resolve then. You said it didn't
[07:32] <wisdomia> it doesn't for me
[07:33] <wisdomia> but it does for everyone else
[07:33] <TJ-> But you just said it does, you used 'dig' and it returned the IP address. That means it did resolve
[07:33] <wisdomia> Yes the server does resolve
[07:33] <wisdomia> when I connect to the hostname from my computer it does not resolve
[07:34] <wisdomia> but connecting to the IP works fine
[07:34] <TJ-> wisdomia: So your issue is probably related to a firewall rule somewhere, or proxy. Try manually connecting to the server's HTTP port using telnet
[07:35] <TJ-> wisdomia: try "telnet hostname 80" and see if it connects. To break the connection press Ctrl+] and then type "quit"
[07:36] <x44x45x41x4E> Just uploaded my public pgp key to pgp.mit.edu but my colleague can't search it using an OS X client GPG Suite.
[07:37] <x44x45x41x4E> Aaahh. It's okay now. Thanks.
[07:39] <wisdomia> so my /etc/hostname should be my www. correct?
[07:39] <OerHeks>  /etc/hostname & /etc/hosts
[07:40] <wisdomia> in hosts <IP_ADDRESS> should be localhost and <IP_ADDRESS> is my hostname?
[07:41] <Maxxi> how do i get installed ubuntu version on cmd line?
[07:41] <OerHeks> cat /etc/issue
[07:42] <jellow> !version
[07:42] <Maxxi> ty
[07:43] <TJ-> wisdomia: /etc/hosts should have nothing to do with DNS resolution of a public server
[07:43] <rahsd> I am alive :)
[07:43] <Maxxi> is the ubuntu aquarius phone any good?
[07:43] <wisdomia> so it shouldnt contain my www.?
[07:44] <wisdomia> im using DigitalOcean and it had the name of my droplet in it before
[07:44] <rahsd> pwd: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory  but i have "/root"
[07:45] <OerHeks> Maxxi, great phone, join #ubuntu-touch for support & info
[07:45] <TJ-> wisdomia: you said the only problem is from your local PC so that is where you need to focus. Did you do the 'telnet' test I recommended to determine if a connection can be made to the server's HTTP port?
[07:46] <wisdomia> telnet from my server line or my computer cmd line?
[07:47] <TJ-> wisdomia: everything from your PC with the problem
[07:47] <TJ-> wisdomia: that's where you should have run the 'dig' command, too
[07:47] <wisdomia> dig and telnet are not valid in the CMD
[07:49] <wisdomia> if I run nslookup for my hostname it says "Server failed"
[07:49] <TJ-> wisdomia: So install them: "sudo apt-get install telnet dnsutils)
[07:50] <TJ-> wisdomia: you need to be accurate with your language: "my hostname" tells us nothing. What hostname, the FQDN of the web server, the name of the local PC with the problem?
[07:51] <wisdomia> my hostname as in the name of my site
[07:51] <wisdomia> ok so telner says connected
[07:52] <wisdomia> telnet*
[07:52] <TJ-> wisdomia: OK, so that proves the site works. So your issue is in the browser or proxy
[07:52] <rahsd> my /root directory exist but I have this problem :  chdir: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory
[07:52] <TJ-> wisdomia: You can use telnet to actually make the same request a web-browser would, so I'd recommend trying that next
[07:52] <wisdomia> yes I thought we narrowed that down already ^.^
[07:52] <rahsd> and this shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory job-working-directory: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory job-working-directory: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory
[07:52] <matthias_> Hello, i've downloaded ubuntu minimal iso, how can i modify it to start directly to a shell and run a sh script included in the image. manually: options -> commandline expert install -> execute shell-> accept and then i'm in a ash shell
[07:53] <wisdomia> I know others can connect to the site fine
[07:54] <TJ-> wisdomia: "telnet FQDN 80" then once it has connected type, *exactly* these lines: "GET / HTTP/1.1"   press enter then "host: FQDN" (replace FQDN with the web server address) then press Enter *twice* and you should get the index page back from the server
[07:56] <jedi__> join /security
[07:57] <jedi__> join  #hacking
[07:57] <jedi__> join  /hacking
[07:57] <wisdomia> telnet could not resolve FQDN
[07:57] <jedi__> hey anyone know about MIM attacks , ssl proxying
[07:58] <TJ-> wisdomia: did you replace "FQDN" with your server's Fully Qualified Domain Name (www.example.com) ?
[07:58] <jedi__> help
[07:58] <jedi__> list
[07:58] <wisdomia> TIL
[07:59] <wisdomia> ok got it
[07:59] <jedi__> join /security
[07:59] <jedi__> join  #security
[07:59] <wisdomia> ok it listed 301 Moved permanently
[08:00] <wisdomia> and then says tons of other stuff and Connection closed by foreign host.
[08:01] <wisdomia> and the site still will not resolve for me
[08:02] <TJ-> wisdomia: So, the server is replying to your PC correctly. So that proves your PC has no problem accessing the web server but your web browser does. Try another browser. Check whether your web browser is using a web proxy that interferes. etc
[08:02] <wisdomia> Both Chrome and Firefox do not allow it
[08:02] <wisdomia> or it doesn't work on both of those browsers
[08:02] <TJ-> wisdomia: OK, so focus on a web proxy then
[08:02] <wisdomia> I am not using any web proxys
[08:02] <wisdomia> that I know of
[08:04] <TJ-> wisdomia: everything you're told us so far suggests that is an issue. If telnet connected and fetched the HTML correctly, but the web browsers won't. The only other thing I can think of is, are you trying to access HTTP*S* not HTTP from the web browsers?
[08:04] <wisdomia> nope normal HTTP
[08:06] <TJ-> wisdomia: try a command-line web-browser. I use 'w3m' or 'lynx'. I think 'w3m' is usually installed on an Ubuntu installation but you'd have to check
[08:09] <TJ-> wisdomia: have you closed and restarted the web browser since this began? Sometimes they cache DNS lookups and if one failed before it could still be relying on that lookup rather than doing a fresh lookup
[08:09] <wisdomia> i have cleared cache and restarted the browser many times
[08:09] <wisdomia> also released and renewed my ipconfig
[08:09] <wisdomia> and flushed dns
[08:11] <TJ-> wisdomia: Is the browser on a Windows PC?
[08:11] <wisdomia> yes
[08:11] <Johnny_Linux> D`oh!
[08:11] <matthias_> my main point is that i want to boot a small image over pxe and then execute automatically commands i. e. mount cp rm poweroff/reboot . what would be the best approach?
[08:11] <TJ-> wisdomia: And you used telnet from the Windows PC?
[08:12] <wisdomia> no telnet from the server SSH
[08:12] <TJ-> wisdomia: I *said* you must do *all* your tests from the PC with the problem. You have a problem *on your local PC or LAN*
[08:13] <wisdomia> and I said that the CMD doesn't recognize telnet
[08:13] <wisdomia> sorry, I am very new to this DNS shit
[08:13] <TJ-> wisdomia: I wasn't aware you were working with Windows!
[08:13] <wisdomia> the server is Ubuntu
[08:13] <wisdomia> my PC is windows
[08:14] <CereS2009> Hi, i'm having a problem mit my touchpad on dell xps 13, since few days it seems, that when moving the mousepointer around with one finger, sometimes it a) selects any item like when LMB is pressed.
[08:14] <TJ-> wisdomia: There's an issue on your local network, not on the server. Best guess is your ISP or your router's DNS server are not correctly fetching the DNS A record for your web site, possibly because they've cached a previous look-up done before the domain's DNS was configured correctly.
[08:15] <wisdomia> so I must take to comcast with a pitchfork yah?
[08:16] <TJ-> wisdomia: best bet is to ask in #windows channel on how to test DNS issues. Alternatively, if you have a local PC with Linux on use that to test if your ISP/router are the problem.
[08:16] <TJ-> wisdomia: If your local router does WiFi and you have a phone that connects to that Wifi, try accessing the web site from the phone. If that fails to connect over WiFi you've proved its the router or ISP
[08:17] <wisdomia> Ok it doesn't resolve from WiFi on my phone when it was previously working with LTE
[08:17] <wisdomia> so it must be my router
[08:17] <TJ-> wisdomia: So, you've proved its either your router or your ISP. Simple test is to power down and up the router
[08:17] <wisdomia> brb were going balls deep in this router
[08:24] <wisdomia> jesus christttttttt
[08:24] <wisdomia> guess if it worked
[08:24] <wisdomia> the answer is of course not life is never easy
[08:25] <wisdomia> is it possible the server blocked my IP for flooding?
[08:28] <TJ-> wisdomia: No, but did you only recently configure the server's domain name DNS records?
[08:29] <wisdomia> It was working perfectly from setup before, I could resolve the hostname and everything was fine. The one time I refreshed and it wouldn't resolve the site and this is how it started.
[08:29] <wisdomia> Then I started fiddling around with the /etc/hosts and stuff
[08:30] <TJ-> wisdomia: If you've tried to resolve a host and it isn't currently in the DNS zone file, then *your* local caching DNS server will remember the NXDOMAIN response (no domain record) for a length of time determined by the DNS zone's TTL (time-to-live) which is often set to 24 hours or longer. Usually when first configuring a domain and testing it you should set the TTL to something short like 60 seconds, and change it to 24 hours once tests are done
[08:31] <wisdomia> so am I shit out of luck for 24 hours
[08:32] <wisdomia> or is there something I can do
[08:34] <TJ-> wisdomia: You can work around the issue temporarily (on the PC) by adding a manual entry to the 'hosts' file of the form "<IP address>    <hostname>" e.g. "<IP_ADDRESS>    www.example.com"
[08:34] <Lixumux> hi all, I am researching a problem with booting from a usb stick, and have found some commands about removing or starting "modules", plus the lsusb command, but I cannot seem to "get" if those commands are supposed to be run in a terminal on the computer (from the computer OS), or in the error console of the usb stick where I see the errors (initramfs/BusyBox/Ash shell)
[08:34] <wisdomia> so on my computers hosts file?
[08:34] <wisdomia> or the server hosts file
[08:34] <TJ-> wisdomia: on the PC with the problem
[08:35] <wisdomia> how exactly do i go about that
[08:35] <TJ-> wisdomia: In Windows I think 'hosts' is kept under \Windows\system32\etc\" or something similar
[08:35] <Lixumux> wisdomia, it is not the pc that has the problem, it is the usb, or does this relate to affecting the BIOS or boot process on the very PC?
[08:36] <TJ-> Lixumux: don't get confused; wisdomia  was responding to me
[08:36] <Lixumux> wisdomia, oops, i misunderstood - wrong post
[08:36] <Lixumux> TJ-, yes, i got that now, sorry
[08:36] <wisdomia> there is no etc in sys32
[08:37] <TJ-> Lixumux: lsusb won't be available from the shell in the initial ramdisk image
[08:37] <TJ-> wisdomia: ask in #windows
[08:37] <wisdomia> drivers/etc
[08:37] <wisdomia> hosts
[08:37] <wisdomia> I am reading online that you cannot edit the windows 7 hosts file but were going butterfly knife ghetto on this file rn
[08:38] <wisdomia> yep cannot save hosts
[08:39] <TJ-> wisdomia: not even with admin privileges?
[08:40] <bunty> Hi guys, I am trying to run RTSP stream using gstreamer but it gives error about  X11 server. please help me on this.
[08:40] <wisdomia> ok got it
[08:40] <Lixumux> TJ-, ok, so I boot the normal Linux OS that runs on the computer, opens a terminal, and where are the modules that should be "removed" or started, on the PC OS, or on the USB stick? The info I found was about removing some "modules", and I dont know what or where they are, I assume in order to solve a USB problem, they must be related to either the USB stick or the BIOS?
[08:40] <wisdomia> and still not working
[08:40] <med> HI every one
[08:41] <Lixumux> TJ-, eg modprobe uhci_hcd
[08:41] <med> someone to help plz
[08:42] <TJ-> Lixumux: Ubuntu has most modules for common hardware built-in to keep boot times to a minimum. If you're dropped to a busybox shell in initrd, many common modules will be under the directory "/lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/"
[08:42] <bunty> #ubuntu-touch
[08:43] <Lixumux> this is the info I have: "once you know the module name with root powers you can 'rmmod (modulename)' and then 'modprobe (modulename)' to reload"
[08:43] <med> my asus touchpad doesnt work on ubuntu
[08:44] <Ioyrie> wisdomia - for hosts - copy, paste into a temp file, make a second copy in case you fail, edit the stuff in the temp file, delete the original hosts, rename temp file to hosts then move it back to the original folder, assuming you are working with windows 7
[08:44] <Ioyrie> or chmod that
[08:45] <wisdomia> Lol I just downloaded a VPN for chrome and now I can see the site fine ^.^
[08:45] <wisdomia> why the fuck didn't I think of this 6 hours ago
[08:46] <TJ-> wisdomia: huh? 'downloaded a VPN' what does that mean? If you're accessing the site over a VPN that probably means the caching DNS server at the exit point of the VPN is being used now rather than your ISPs DNS.
[08:46] <med> hii
[08:47] <wisdomia> Yes, I downloaded a Chrome VPN extension and it works perfectly
[08:48] <Lixumux> wisdomia, out of curiosity; what was the name of that chrome VPN extension?
[08:49] <wisdomia> betternet
[08:51] <Lixumux> TJ-, so shall I run the rmmod and the modprobe commands under busybox shell? That is the only thing that makes sense, if not I will be removing modules from the wrong OS?
[08:52] <Lixumux> TJ-, and I dont know if "root powers" needs a special command in Busybox shell, or if that is already root since it is meant to be a problem solving interface?
[08:52] <TJ-> Lixumux: how about you tell us the actual issue you're experiencing.... the solution you've been told doesn't make much sense to me at all
[08:53] <TJ-> Lixumux: FYI: in the initrd shell there is only 'root' access
[08:53] <Lixumux> TJ-, i have a usb stick (Sandisk Ultra Fit USB 3.0) in a USB 3.0 port (also tried with the 2.0 port), which have been working for a month, then suddenly it does not boot, and gives me errors
[08:55] <Lixumux> TJ-, the first error is: "(initramfs) (36.050970) usb 4-1: device not accepting address 4, error -62"
[08:56] <TJ-> Lixumux: have you tested the Sandisk in another PC?
[08:56] <TJ-> Lixumux: those errors are usually caused by 1) a failed device or 2) faulty ports on the PC
[08:56] <Lixumux> TJ-, second error after the first one: "[41.851898] xhci_hcd 0000:00:14:0: Command completion event does not match command"
[08:56] <TJ-> Lixumux: will other bootable flash USB devices work in the same ports?
[08:57] <Lixumux> TJ-, I believe so, but must test again just to make sure
[08:57] <TJ-> Lixumux: your best steps are process of elimination to isolate where the issue is
[08:58] <TJ-> Lixumux: It looks like the USB works correctly from the BIOS to load the boot loader but then fails when the OS tries to take over the USB devices.
[08:58] <Lixumux> TJ-, sure, so I verify if I can boot it on another laptop, and if I can boot other sticks from the same port first, then will be back here in the channel, as I need to reboot to do that
[08:58] <TJ-> Lixumux: That suggests you should also look at any firmware/BIOS options that affect USB
[08:58] <Lixumux> TJ-, firmware upgrade for the laptop, you mean?
[08:59] <Lixumux> TJ-, bios upgrade?
[08:59] <TJ-> Lixumux: it's obviously reading the bootloader and that is reading the OS and initrd (using BIOS/firmware USB functions)
[08:59] <TJ-> Lixumux: No... just any options that might affect USB.
[08:59] <Lixumux> TJ-, I havent done bios upgrades before, it is a bit scary, what if the whole pc becomes useless afterwards. Right now it is only the usb that fails.
[09:00] <Lixumux> TJ-, from where do I do such upgrade of "only options that affect usb"? From inside the main Linux OS that I am booting the main HD from (which I am in now)?
[09:01] <TJ-> Lixumux: Ubuntu has the USB drivers built-in so you can't unload them using rmmod
[09:01] <jean-guy> u
[09:02] <jean-guy> <<<I have libavcodec54 installed on mp computor...
[09:02] <med> hello
[09:02] <TJ-> Lixumux: I was referring to the PC BIOS/firmware's Setup menus. I doubt there'll be anything to help in this circumstance but it's always worth checking.
[09:03] <CereS2009> Hi for a mounted volume i once answered the "Always perform this action" and selected open with totem. now any new mounted device gets openend with totem and it tries to open all files on it. anyone knows where to change this behaviour? o cant find it.
[09:03] <CereS2009> it's ubuntu mate with cinnamon and nautilus/nemo
[09:04] <Lixumux> TJ-, ok, I just dont know which tools to use, or where to start them from . First I try to understand if I am supposed to boot the pc from the main OS and open a root terminal from there and do the commands there. If so, how does that affect the USB when I boot from it and it has a different OS on it? I fail to see how that can be solved at least if not specifying the USB stick "ID" on the command line to have the commands do their wor
[09:04] <Lixumux> k on the right place? Perhaps I just dont "get" what happens in the boot process. I thought I need to change something ON the usb stick or in the bios.
[09:04] <jean-guy> When I try to install xubuntu restricted extras, it tells me it gives me 2 choize:-  uninstalle the libavdodec 54   or  install anyways...   So my question:-  is it okee if I use the option:  install anyways  or is it better to uninstall libavcodec54
[09:05] <TJ-> Lixumux: 1st possibility is BIOS Setup options. 2nd is kernel configuration passed by the boot-loader (GRUB usually) to the kernel on the kernel's command-line
[09:06] <Lixumux> TJ-, I will check the bios menus
[09:07] <Lixumux> TJ-, so if I use "Boot Repair Disk" and reinstall Grub on the USB stick, that may also affect this?
[09:07] <TJ-> Lixumux: It might. You can check the kernel's command line if you're stuck in the initrd shell with "cat /proc/cmdline"
[09:08] <TJ-> Lixumux: I'd be very surprised if anything has been added there to affect this *unles* you've added options to work around hardware issues. In that case options such as "acpi*=" or "noapic" "nolapic" "pci=" would be suspect
[09:13] <ubuntuser13> Location of users file in ubuntu?
[09:16] <sales_guru> Ubuntu Unity SUCKS and should be banned as a fraud risk and threat to the IT industry.
[09:16] <sales_guru> Don't agree?  Send your complaints here:  https://help.gumtree.com.au/index.php?a=add
[09:17] <sales_guru> Ubuntu unity is below crap level and if sold, would cause customers to demand a refund.
[09:17] <sales_guru> Don't agree, explain why in the link above.
[09:20] <Lixumux> TJ-, ok, that usb stick boots ok from a usb2.0 port on an older laptop
[09:21] <TJ-> Lixumux: OK, so that points to some kind of change in the PC's firmware configuration or the operating system installed on the USB device
[10:10] <gagalicious> i just installed ubuntu 14.04 on my desktop... it's showing a blank screen with the ubuntu... grey-orange background... the installation try is working fine but the installed ubuntu is not showing anything only the orange background. what is happening?
[10:12] <EriC^^> gagalicious: it might be a graphics driver issue
[10:12] <EriC^^> try booting with nomodeset
[10:12] <EriC^^> !nomodeset
[10:12] <gagalicious> yeah i just realised... nomodeset. where do i put it. i'm in the boot section now
[10:13] <polyzium> hey everyone
[10:14] <polyzium> i want to install kde
[10:14] <polyzium> so i typed
[10:14] <polyzium> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:14] <polyzium> now it says
[10:14] <polyzium> The following packages will be REMOVED: modemmanager
[10:15] <ObrienDave> kde has it's own modem manager
[10:15] <polyzium> is "modemmanager" a neccessary component in ubuntu?
[10:15] <ObrienDave> maybe yes, maybe no. something you have installed needs it
[10:16] <zhongfu> i'd say not really necessary unless you're doing something like mobile broadband or dialup or dsl
[10:16] <polyzium> ah i'm using direct internet connection
[10:16] <polyzium> so it's not necessary?
[10:19] <Hursh> hi anyone expertise in samba wanna help
[10:20] <EriC^^> what's the problem?
[10:20] <Hursh> hi eric
[10:20] <polyzium> samba shares not visible?
[10:21] <Hursh> i am having 2 nos. 2 tb hdd and 1nos 500 gb hdd and want to connect in the domain environment for the file server
[10:23] <Hursh> eric can u help
[10:23] <EriC^^> Hursh: i don't know much about samba
[10:24] <EriC^^> Hursh: i don't know if this might help https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Samba/SambaServerGuide
[10:27] <gagalicious> extremely puzzled why installation tryout works but installed doesnt work... :I
[10:28] <EriC^^> Hursh: share the problem here, many people are experienced in samba
[10:28] <Hursh> eric i had try it eariler no progress
[10:29] <ioria> Hursh, cat /etc/samba/smb.conf
[10:29] <EriC^^> gagalicious: did you choose to update while installing? it could be that a new kernel was installed or a graphics driver
[10:30] <Hursh> my issue is i am having share partition on the RAID1 and Samba is able to join the domain and share folder can be seen on the client but while accessing it prompt for the password
[10:31] <Hursh> even administrator passowrd is not able access folder
[10:33] <ioria> Hursh, you can configure samba as you want, with or without passwd ... but you have to give the right permissions
[10:34] <Hursh> But i am using windows server 2003 active directory to authenicate the user
[10:34] <Hursh> this thing i can't change i am bound to do tis
[10:35] <ioria> Hursh, i used nis in the past, but not active directory... don't know how it works
[10:36] <vooze> Hi, I have a high dpi laptop screen, and a "normal" external monitor. Is there someway to make unity-launcher icons change with the scaling? Like when laptop uses scaling 1.25, the icons should be 38. When external monitor they should be 32. I can change this in unit tweak tool, but It would be cool a script or something.
[10:36] <Hursh> oohhh...
[10:37] <Hursh> what u suggest what is the best option for me to run the samba server without joining the domain and still domain client able to access it
[10:38] <ioria> Hursh, in any case, you have to backup smb.conf, add a new [global] and [data] sections, then you have to chmod and  chown the share you choose
[10:38] <Hursh> any practical experience b'coz its really big pain in my A** and its hurting me
[10:40] <ioria> Hursh, try this https://www.liberiangeek.net/2015/01/install-configure-samba-ubuntu-14-10/, it works also on vivid
[10:42] <Hursh> ur asl ioria
[10:42] <bekks> Hursh: You're on the wrong network if those information matters to you.
[10:43] <Hursh> guide me bekks
[10:43] <bekks> Hursh: No.
[10:43] <Hursh> bekks: point me in the direction
[10:43] <bekks> Hursh: This is a support channel, no dating channel. And most channels on this network are not for dating.
[10:44] <bekks> Hursh: 'nuff said.
[10:44] <MonkeyDust> Hursh  did you have an ubuntu support question?
[10:44] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:44] <Hursh> i know but this related to the professional query and experience
[10:45] <ObrienDave> you can ask in #ubuntu-server
[10:45] <Hursh> i am working in this field from last 16 years for windows support and trying my hand in linux servers
[10:46] <MonkeyDust> Hursh  type /j #ubuntu-server
[10:46] <Hursh> i have no issue with desktop linux server and looking to make the circle of linux professional so that i can update my self with latest info
[10:48] <Hursh> ioria please don't mind i just don't to hurt any one if i had unknowingly
[10:48] <bunty_> X11 server on ubuntu touch is not working? anybody has any idea?
[10:48] <Meerkat> Will ubuntu support more than 4 keyboard layouts anytime soon? I need a 5th one for esperanto.
[10:49] <brainwash> Hursh: this seems to lead nowhere, so I suggest that you join #samba and ask the experts :)
[10:50] <Hursh> brainwah: i appreciate and taking off to samba site give me a link
[10:51] <northwest> Halla everybody
[10:51] <northwest> : ))
[10:51] <narkman> hi
[10:51] <cedian_linux> what is this channel about?
[10:51] <narkman> supported for ubuntu
[10:51] <bekks> cedian_linux: Support for the linux operating system flavor "Ubuntu".
[10:51] <cedian_linux> ok, is there also a dev support?
[10:51] <MonkeyDust> Hursh  type /j #samba
[10:51] <narkman> yup
[10:52] <Hursh> type /j #samba
[10:52] <brainwash> cedian_linux: #ubuntu-devel
[10:52] <cedian_linux> thanks
[10:52] <northwest> nice
[10:53] <northwest> long, long time dind'nt use irc
[10:53] <brainwash> !ask
[10:53] <Hursh> logging off i think i am in wrong channel this is must be new beeies
[10:53] <MonkeyDust> Hursh  follow the instructions you're getting in this channel
[10:54] <Hursh> no luck till now
[10:54] <MonkeyDust> Hursh  yes: type /join Â#samba   <-- start there
[10:55] <Hursh> thankyou monket dust bye
[11:19] <ccna_divya> what to do after CCNA ?
[11:19] <TJ-> CCNB?
[11:19] <bazhang> ccna_divya, thats not on topic here, try a more appropriate channel
[11:20] <bekks> ccna_divya: CCNP.
[11:20] <bazhang> !alis | ccna_divya
[11:20] <ccna_divya> thanks
[11:29] <`g> hi. I'm having problems with hdmi audio on an optimus laptop with nvidia gtx 770m
[11:29] <lotuspsychje> !sound | `g
[11:30] <`g> the nvidia hdmi audio device does show in lspci, but doesn't in aplay -l
[11:31] <`g> lotuspsychje: the hardware is undetected by alsa
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> `g: wich grafix driver you have?
[11:32] <`g> nvidia proprietary drivers
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> `g: installed nvidia-prime aswell?
[11:34] <`g> no, uh, is that the optimus thing? I use bumblebee for that
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> `g: bumblebee is outdated, use nvidia-prime instead, but not sure this will influence your sound problem
[11:37] <`g> I doubt it would, but why is bumblebee "outdated"?
[11:37] <bekks> Because there are newer and more reliable solutions?
[11:38] <TJ-> `g: check /var/log/dmesg ... there may be clues as to what *is*discovered and what has problems
[11:40] <hayman> hello
[11:41] <squeak81> hey there
[11:41] <hayman> hey
[11:41] <hayman> is there anyone that can tell me when the new ubuntu comes out
[11:41] <MonkeyDust> hayman  in octgober
[11:41] <MonkeyDust> typo*
[11:42] <hayman> manythanks monkey dust is it a fresh installation with the new version do you know]
[11:42] <dearn> hayman: pretty sure it's always 4th and 10th month
[11:42] <hayman> thanks dearn
[11:42] <squeak81> October
[11:42] <hayman> october look forward to it
[11:43] <hayman> still a bit to go yet
[11:44] <MonkeyDust> hayman  6 months between two releases, 24 months between two LTSs
[11:45] <hayman> thanks will it be even better
[11:45] <MonkeyDust> hayman  every company aims at improving its products, canonical is no different
[11:46] <squeak81> Pretty sure they're going for worse with the next release ;)
[11:46] <tuga3d> hi all! when i have a nautilus window in a mounted drive and i click in the nautilus shortcut in the dash, it opens a new window instead of switching to the window i already have. Any hints on how to solve this?
[11:46] <tuga3d> also when i scroll the mouse over it, it works. I want this beheavior when i click it.
[11:46] <hayman> yeah lol
[11:49] <MonkeyDust> tuga3d  correct, scrolling the mouse over it is the way to do it
[11:50] <tuga3d> MonkeyDust: how can i bind that to click?
[11:51] <lotuspsychje> tuga3d: maybe ccsm or dconf-editor can tweak that?
[11:51] <MonkeyDust> tuga3d  not sure, i suggest you start here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=860639
[11:53] <tuga3d> thnks, gonna check the link and google deconf and ccsm tweaks
[12:00] <`g> TJ-: this was in the log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11707667/ i see no errors though.
[12:01] <`g> also: nvidia hdmi audio *is* in there
[12:01] <lotuspsychje> `g: graphic driver switch can sometimes fix audio too
[12:02] <lotuspsychje> `g: try switch + install nvidia-prime
[12:05] <vm> askubuntu is confusing me. what is the proper way to shutdown via terminal (equivant of gui without confirming unsaved work)?
[12:05] <RafaelK> hello folks
[12:06] <zhongfu> vm: maybe "sudo poweroff"?
[12:07] <SCHAAP137> i thought it was 'sudo shutdown -h now'
[12:07] <badbodh> vm "sudo shutdown now" "sudo shutdown 10" in 10 seconds
[12:07] <genii> -h
[12:07] <badbodh> "sudo shutdown -r now" to reboot
[12:07] <genii> -h for halt, -r for reboot
[12:08] <vm> does the gui halt or poweroff?
[12:08] <badbodh> -h for desktops that don't power off, don't need that in most cases i think
[12:08] <RafaelK> is there some way to resolve dependency problem. I installed mysql 5.6 from mysqls apt repo
[12:08] <RafaelK> now i want to compile php and run "apt-get build-dep php5" but get following error "mysql-server : Depends: mysql-server-5.5 but it is not going to be installed"
[12:08] <RafaelK> is it possible to tell apt, that mysql-server should be ignored for this command?
[12:10] <badbodh> RafaelK, first "apt-get -f install" , if doesn't work "dpkg --configure -a" then run previous command again
[12:10] <badbodh> all with sudo of course
[12:11] <badbodh> don't forget to close synaptic/software center
[12:11] <RafaelK> i have only ssh
[12:12] <badbodh> it is a shell right? that shell doesn't do root stuff?
[12:12] <RafaelK> badbodh: same problem
[12:14] <badbodh> RafaelK, ok do "apt-cache show  mysql-server-5.5"
[12:14] <badbodh> look for the entry "Breaks:......" is any package from this list installed in your system ?
[12:15] <RafaelK> libmysqlclient-dev (<< 5.5.17~), mysql-client-5.1, mysql-server (<< 5.5.43-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>), mysql-server-5.1
[12:15] <tuxfan> hi all, anyone familiar with boot problems from USB 3.0 sticks? Not sure if I have an overheating problem or what. Can boot with other USB 2.0 sticks from both the usb 2.0 and usb 3.0 ports, but the new Sandisk Ultra Fit USB 3.0 does not boot anymore, after 1 month.
[12:16] <badbodh> RafaelK, any of them already installed ?
[12:16] <RafaelK> badbodh: no, i installed 5.6 from mysql apt repo
[12:17] <RafaelK> badbodh: is it possible to blacklist ubuntus apt entry for mysql?
[12:17] <badbodh> maybe your 'build'ing packages depend on 5.5
[12:17] <RafaelK> also mysql-5.6 not php 5.6 :D
[12:18] <genii> !pinning | RafaelK
[12:21] <lotuspsychje> tuxfan: tryed several ports?
[12:21] <mala-guita> quit
[12:22] <lotuspsychje> tuxfan: does your sandisk mount in ubuntu?
[12:24] <RafaelK> genii: do you know how to prefer local repos? deb [trusted=yes] file:///files/linux-repos/ubuntu/dists/trusty/binary-armhf / ?
[12:25] <gagalicious> is there a way i can use ubuntu the older gnome version and not the unity?
[12:25] <gagalicious> how do i start ubuntu with the older gnome not the unity thing?
[12:26] <ioria> there is fallback
[12:26] <wizzkidd> could someone point me in the right direction of how to create a website on ubuntu that i can add to a git repository for others to clone and use, without them having to install apache or similar?
[12:26] <zykotick9> !notunity | gagalicious
[12:27] <lotuspsychje> !git | wizzkidd
[12:27] <lotuspsychje> wizzkidd: nvm thats not very helpfull
[12:27] <wizzkidd> lotuspsychje: lol
[12:28] <wizzkidd> lotuspsychje: does my question make sense?
[12:28] <gagalicious> ubottu : ok.
[12:28] <lotuspsychje> wizzkidd: maybe the #github guys know some tricks for you?
[12:30] <wizzkidd> lotuspsychje: what i've noticed is that the guys who made WebUI's for sickbeard and couchpotato etc are not using an apache web server, hence why we can clone from their git, setup the configuration, and execute the website.py with python, and then magically i'd have a website running locally on my custom port
[12:30] <drioter> How do i link togheter two screen so they wont show the same things?
[12:31] <deitarion> Is there an updated avconv package available for 14.04 LTS that I could use? I normally let youtube-dl complain and fallback, but the archived Twitch.TV stream for something I backed has no fallback.
[12:36] <Tekkkz> Hello. I want to watch DRM based streams, like RTL NOW, but it still wont work after i have installed hal ... what should i do now?
[12:38] <OerHeks> Tekkkz, HAL is old, for some time now, use google Chrome to watch DRM based streams, netflix works .. not sure that HAL is now going to give issues.
[12:39] <OerHeks> !hal
[12:40] <drioter> How do i create linked displayes?
[12:40] <deitarion> Whoever named that page should have called it "halectomy", not "halsectomy" </language nerd>
[12:41] <Tekkkz> yeah, but i just want to use firefox, and some time ago it worked with hal - so why not now?
[12:41] <Tekkkz> (a half year ago it worked on another machine)
[12:41] <lotuspsychje> !xrandr | drioter
[12:42] <OerHeks> I have no answer about firefox, i deleted that crappy browser.
[12:42] <Tekkkz> nah, firefox is best
[12:42] <OerHeks> Did you use flashplugin installer or the more up2date pepperflash?
[12:42] <Tekkkz> i love the sync function, i think i have flashplugin-installer, yes
[12:43] <deitarion> OerHeks: No insults please. I deleted Google's arrogant browser and switched to Firefox when they solicited feedback on removing http:// from the address bar, then ignored a years requests for justification and examples of how the "what to copy to clipboard" guessing makes things buggier.
[12:43] <lotuspsychje> deitarion: this isnt the place for offtopic chat
[12:44] <gagalicious> just install gnome panel... how can i force it to be the default of ubuntu start?
[12:44] <deitarion> lotuspsychje: Just showing him how his reaction can be reversed. I'd have said "But let's agree to disagree" but I'm not entirely sure how much room I had left and Pidgin truncates rather than splitting across lines.
[12:44] <Johnny_Linux> i just installed 'crappy browser"
[12:44] <OerHeks> The flash page only gives pepperflash for chromium, there must be a hack somewhere for firefox https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash
[12:44] <lotuspsychje> deitarion: again, offtopic doesnt belong here, move on
[12:45] <deitarion> lotuspsychje: Are you actually reading what I said? I said I was done.
[12:45] <Tekkkz> sudo apt-get install pepperflashplugin-nonfree hal » can help me this?
[12:46] <deitarion> Tekkkz: pepperflashplugin-nonfree is for Chrome only. Google cut a deal with Adobe to keep providing flash versions beyond 11 via their Pepper API which is too specific to Chrome's innards for Firefox to implement it.
[12:46] <OerHeks> oh, i read something new: As of 2015-05, the old "pepperflashplugin-nonfree" is deprecated in favor of an official, maintained, one-step package called adobe-flashplugin, which works for Firefox and Chromium and derivatives
[12:46] <Tekkkz> so i need adobe-flashplugin and hal?
[12:47] <OerHeks> I don't think you need HAL.
[12:47] <lotuspsychje> Tekkkz: OerHeks just suggsted you hal is outdated..
[12:47] <MonkeyDust> Tekkkz  is that hal as in hardware abstraction layer?
[12:47] <Tekkkz> ?
[12:50] <gagalicious> how can i set the classic gnome desktop as my default desktop? help
[12:51] <MonkeyDust> gagalicious  install it, logout, switch, login ... ubuntu remembers it when you login the next time
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> gagalicious: logout to fallback and re-login
[12:51] <gagalicious> the problem is i can't login...
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> gagalicious: why not?
[12:52] <gagalicious> it shows the default ubuntu background on my ubuntu 14.04
[12:52] <gagalicious> so i installed the fallback... and i wish to have it as default without logging in
[12:52] <MonkeyDust> gagalicious  in the login screen or on your desktop?
[12:52] <gagalicious> desktop
[12:52] <gagalicious> i dont hav a login screen
[12:52] <gagalicious> i think it skipped it immediately
[12:52] <gagalicious> like auto login
[12:52] <MonkeyDust> gagalicious  right click on the desktop, change background
[12:52] <lotuspsychje> gagalicious: then disable auto login
[12:53] <gagalicious> how do i disable autologin?
[12:53] <lotuspsychje> gagalicious: @useraccounts
[12:53] <gagalicious> from the command line?
[12:53] <gagalicious> pls gimme a clue
[12:53] <lotuspsychje> gagalicious: no the user accounts icon from dash
[12:53] <MonkeyDust> gagalicious  system settings > users > automatic login
[12:53] <gagalicious> i cant login!
[12:54] <compdoc> heh
[12:54] <gagalicious> it shows ubuntu desktop without any panels
[12:54] <gagalicious> ..
[12:54] <deitarion> Tekkkz: We're asking why you're installing HAL because it's sort of like blindly following instructions say say to install Windows XP when you've already got Windows 7.
[12:54] <deitarion> s/say say/that say/
[12:54] <gagalicious> there's nothing except the desktop background showing... absolutely nothing else
[12:54] <lotuspsychje> gagalicious: what did you do to remove gnome panel?
[12:54] <Tekkkz> because it is necessary to watch DRM
[12:54] <MonkeyDust> gagalicious  ctrl-alt f1... can you login.
[12:54] <MonkeyDust> ?
[12:54] <Tekkkz> and it still doesnt works
[12:54] <OerHeks> Tekkkz, no it is not.
[12:55] <gagalicious> yeah i can login with ctrl alt f1
[12:55] <zykotick9> gagalicious: ctrl+alt+f1 login to VT, then "ls -l .Xauthority" is it owned by your user or root?
[12:55] <Tekkkz> it is, see ubuntu wiki
[12:55] <isbotnetcool> how can one change / remove the number that is displayed when you list some files and their permissions? for example, it says ’60’ instead of 4.0k for a directory
[12:55] <Tekkkz> or tell me how it works without hal?
[12:55] <gagalicious> owned by the yser
[12:55] <MonkeyDust> gagalicious  ok, then it's an X problem, probably
[12:55] <gagalicious> zykotick9 : owned by the user
[12:55] <gagalicious> so now i logged in at the command line
[12:56] <gagalicious> how do i disable automatic gui login?
[12:56] <zykotick9> gagalicious: ok, that's good.  best of luck.
[12:56] <OerHeks> Tekkkz, read again > " Hal is in the process of being deprecated" but hey, we see DRM issues daily, and chrome/pepperflash works best for drm streams.
[12:56] <lotuspsychje> gagalicious: try recoverymode from grub=failsafeX perhaps
[12:56] <ioria> gagalicious, how did you install Gnome ?
[12:56] <gagalicious> ioria : normal install. usb thumbdrive
[12:56] <deitarion> Tekkkz: Back when those instructions were written, they were still moving off HAL. Only install HAL if it turns out that they STILL haven't finished upgrading.
[12:56] <Tekkkz> but i need firefox cause its sync functions and i dont want to have two browsers
[12:57] <gagalicious> ioria : the install try out works with the gnome panel and everything... but after installation... only ubuntu background showing. i'm using gma500 intel video card
[12:57] <OerHeks> Tekkkz, did you install the adobe-flashplugin installer?
[12:57] <MonkeyDust> gagalicious  sudo -e /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf   put a # before autologin
[12:57] <Tekkkz> you mean adobe-flashplugin or flashplugin-installer?
[12:58] <ioria> gagalicious, you could install Gnome metapackage from Synaptic
[12:58] <gagalicious> MonkeyDust: ok i'll try
[12:58] <lotuspsychje> gagalicious: have you ever been able to see panels in unity with that card?
[12:58] <gagalicious> ioria : apt-get install....???
[12:58] <deitarion> Tekkkz: You might have to just wait. Last I checked, Firefox on Linux can't use Flash newer than 11 (thanks for nothing Adobe) and the EME DRM extensions (an alternative sites can choose to support) for Firefox are currently only ready on Windows.
[12:58] <ioria> gagalicious, Synaptic Package Manager
[12:58] <gagalicious> lotuspsychje : only through the installation tryout... the "Try before install option"
[12:58] <lotuspsychje> !info synaptic | gagalicious
[12:58] <Tekkkz> nono, flash works, but not DRM
[12:59] <lotuspsychje> gagalicious: maybe a lubuntu/xubuntu might work better on that gma card
[12:59] <zykotick9> ioria: if gagalicious can't login, who could they use Synaptic?
[12:59] <zykotick9> s/who/how/
[12:59] <ioria> gagalicious, infact i say 'could? (past), i menat 'before' :-)
[13:00] <ioria> *meant
[13:00] <Johnny_Linux> +
[13:00] <gagalicious> i disable auto login first... but i'm installing vim... so need to wait for download and install..
[13:01] <tuxfan> lotuspsychje, yes, tried several ports, the usb boots ok on another computer with usb 2.0 ports (only), and yes, it mounts in ubuntu and I can use it normally as a usb stick (copy/write)
[13:02] <adante> hello, newcomer to btrfs - am i crazy for thinking about using it on an archive SMR drive?
[13:02] <lotuspsychje> tuxfan: does the usb 3.0 stick show its name from bios?
[13:02] <lotuspsychje> !btrfs | adante
[13:03] <gagalicious> adante : u are crazy to even think it
[13:03] <gagalicious> adante : use... zfs or just software raid your drive... i highly recommend that
[13:04] <lotuspsychje> tuxfan: any error after you boot the usb3.0 at post?
[13:04] <MonkeyDust> adante  try #btrfs
[13:06] <tuxfan> lotuspsychje, yes, in bios, it recognises it as Sandisk - and I have several errors after booting
[13:06] <lotuspsychje> tuxfan: can you recall what it said?
[13:07] <Tekkkz> i have installed chromium and pepperflashplugin-nonfree, but i still cant play the video
[13:08] <badbodh> Tekkkz, share the link
[13:08] <badbodh> if it plays on ours it isn't a software problem
[13:09] <lotuspsychje> tuxfan: if your system is uefi, might block your usb to boot perhaps? doublecheck fastboot off and secureboot off and F12 to boot sandisk
[13:09] <Tekkkz> badbodh, http://www.nowtv.de/rtl/alarm-fuer-cobra-11/cyberstorm/player
[13:10] <tuxfan> lotuspsychje, no uefi or secureboot
[13:11] <tuxfan> lotuspsychje, the first error is: "(initramfs) (36.050970) usb 4-1: device not accepting address 4, error -62"
[13:11] <tuxfan> lotuspsychje, second error after the first one: "[41.851898] xhci_hcd 0000:00:14:0: Command completion event does not match command"
[13:12] <badbodh> Tekkkz, yeah i've seen this website before. no it doesn't play on mine either
[13:12] <lotuspsychje> tuxfan: did you try a clean reformat with gparted?
[13:13] <Tekkkz> yeah wow and how can i play it?
[13:13] <zap0> my ubuntu VM has run out of space.....  anyone suggest how i can trim it down really fast.. what are some trivial things that take up lots of space?
[13:13] <badbodh> play something from dailymotion. if that plays your falsh is fine
[13:13] <MonkeyDust> zap0  if it's virtualbox, use VBoxManage
[13:13] <badbodh> likely to be website specific problem. best you could try is disable ad-blocks
[13:14] <zap0> MonkeyDust, ok.   2) awesome show!   3) do you know of a program that can do "clean up temp files" ?
[13:14] <tuxfan> lotuspsychje, then I tried to turn OFF legacy USB in the BIOS, did not help, and when I turned it back on, and then booted with that usb 3.0 stick in the usb 2.0 port, I get some other errors in addition: "usb 3-2: device descriptor read/64, error -110", and the same error again with a different number: error -71
[13:14] <Tekkkz> does it works at you without adblock? badbodh
[13:14] <tuxfan> lotuspsychje, no, have not tried to reformat yet
[13:14] <lotuspsychje> tuxfan: how did you create your usb?
[13:15] <lotuspsychje> tuxfan: and wich ubuntu .iso on it?
[13:15] <tuxfan> lotuspsychje, I restored a disk image made with Ubuntu Disks that was working on another usb stick (2.0).
[13:15] <lotuspsychje> !info bleachbit | zap0
[13:16] <MonkeyDust> zap0  is the guest ubuntu?
[13:16] <lotuspsychje> tuxfan: not sure if i follow you...whats on your usb 3.0?
[13:17] <Tekkkz> badbodh, daylimotionn works
[13:17] <tuxfan> lotuspsychje, I have worked with that usb 3.0 stick with that restored image for almost one month, it just suddenly stopped booting.
[13:17] <zap0> guest is Ubuntu.    Bleachbit can not be found in the search thing.
[13:17] <Tekkkz> im away now on windows to watch them, bye
[13:18] <Tekkkz> badbodh, if you got it message me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:18] <lotuspsychje> Tekkkz: must be that site that lacks
[13:18] <MonkeyDust> zap0  ok, try sudo apt-get autoremove; sudo apt-get clean; sudo aptitude purge ~c
[13:18] <zap0> ok
[13:18] <tuxfan> lotuspsychje, I had a usb 2.0 stick with an ubuntu installation, bootable. Then I made a backup of that stick, and restored the backup image to the new usb 3.0 stick. That worked fine, got it working for almost a month before it stopped booting.
[13:19] <lotuspsychje> tuxfan: i would try gparted reformat, and make a clean Iso on your usb 3.0 with ubuntu diskcreator
[13:19] <Trismegisto> hi
[13:19] <Trismegisto> who wanna talk about artificial intelligence?
[13:19] <lotuspsychje> !ot | Trismegisto
[13:20] <tuxfan> lotuspsychje, ok, reformat. What does a "clean ISO - with ubuntu disk creator" refer to - which tool? It is not a bootable CD installation I got there, it is a Ubuntu installation installed normally directly to the USB.
[13:20] <Trismegisto> #ai
[13:21] <lotuspsychje> tuxfan: ah you made an ubuntu portable on your stick?
[13:21] <tuxfan> lotuspsychje, yes
[13:21] <lotuspsychje> tuxfan: and on this 1 computer you cant boot to it
[13:22] <tuxfan> lotuspsychje, I could boot from the new usb 3.0 stick on any computer for almost a month, then it stopped booting only on one of the computers
[13:22] <terminal_fee> hey
[13:23] <lotuspsychje> tuxfan: nothing changed on that computer recently?
[13:23] <MonkeyDust> Trismegisto  better go to ##science (that's double #)
[13:23] <lotuspsychje> tuxfan: if it boots fine on other pc's, its not your stick, but that pc that lacks somehow
[13:24] <tuxfan> lotuspsychje, that computer has had its own internal linux system updated, not sure if it messed up or changed Grub and then it became incompatible with the stick? I think the bootloader is on the hdd, but not sure
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[13:24] <tuxfan> lotuspsychje, no bios or firmware or hardware updates on that computer since last time that usb 3.0 stick booted fine
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[13:25] <lotuspsychje> tuxfan: wich distro on that pc?
[13:25] <tuxfan> 14.04.2
[13:25] <lotuspsychje> tuxfan: so weird
[13:25] <tuxfan> lotuspsychje, 14.04.2
[13:25] <gagalicious> i just realised what;'s the problem with my setting... i have two ports,  hdmi and vga... if hdmi is not present... the vga... is actually a second screen... i cant disable hdmi on my motherboard... so now what? :I
[13:26] <tuxfan> lotuspsychje, what is difficult in the troubleshooting, is that I dont "see" which parts affect each other, whether there is something in the grub system that may become incompatible with the usb after an update of the internal OS on the machine, for example.
[13:26] <lotuspsychje> tuxfan: maybe a fresh reinstall to your usb 3.0 destination would fix?
[13:27] <lotuspsychje> tuxfan: if your able to boot the stick, but get error warning, might be the stick also
[13:27] <zap0> what program do i use to find new software?
[13:27] <tuxfan> lotuspsychje, I am also curious as if this may be somewhat related to overheating or the power inside the usb 3 port, but then it should boot from the usb 2.0 port just fine on that same machine, which it dont anymore.
[13:27] <kjeks> Hi, is there an utility to monitor system in short time, while i change some settings, and then, after im finished it will tell me which files were changed
[13:28] <lotuspsychje> tuxfan: i dont think so mate
[13:28] <lotuspsychje> zap0: you can use apt-cache search package
[13:28] <tuxfan> lotuspsychje, oh, well, I guess I just have to reformat and reinstall and see if that works. Thanks for your time anyway, much appreciated! :-)
[13:29] <zap0> i've just found Ubuntu Software Centre
[13:29] <tuxfan> zap0, what are you looking for - which types of software?
[13:29] <lotuspsychje> tuxfan: np mate, you can also test your stick with a tail -f /var/log/syslog and tail -f /var/log/dmesg and plug out plugin usb
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> tuxfan: to make sure its not a faulty usb
[13:30] <tuxfan> lotuspsychje, ok, interesting, what would that give in terms of output or new indicators?
[13:30] <zap0> trying to get the update to work....  it needs more space, so im tying to get  Bleachbit  to make more space
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> tuxfan: well it just shows syslog and dmesg info, but in realtime
[13:30] <MonkeyDust> kjeks  the 'watch' command can do some monitoring ... man watch for more information
[13:32] <lotuspsychje> tuxfan: this way you can watch what happens at the time you plugin something
[13:33] <tuxfan> lotuspsychje, ah, ok, great tip, thanx!
[13:34] <lotuspsychje> !info colortail | tuxfan or with syntax highlight colors
[13:37] <geri> hi how can i install opengl dev libs on ubuntu using apt-get, whats the name of the package?
[13:39] <backbox111> Hi all
[13:39] <backbox111> is anyone here?
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> backbox111: 1700 users are
[13:41] <backbox111> i have just first time installed linux and checking all it's features. This chat is made for getting help from other users, or for any goals?
[13:41] <MonkeyDust> backbox111  install ubuntu?
[13:41] <MonkeyDust> backbox111  installed ubuntu?
[13:42] <gagalicious> how can i force my desktop to use vga only? i have vga and hdmi and together, they are causing me problems.
[13:42] <backbox111> i installed BackBox it is a linux distribution based on ubuntu.
[13:42] <zykotick9> backbox111: #ubuntu is for ubuntu technical support, there are other channels on freenode for other topics, and other IRC networks...
[13:42] <gagalicious> i only want it to use vga only and not hdmi. how can i do that? i'm using 14.04
[13:43] <MonkeyDust> backbox111  backbox is not supported here
[13:43] <backbox111> what you mean in "supported", so i can't get any suport in these chat, yes?
[13:43] <lotuspsychje> !info arandr | gagalicious
[13:43] <gagalicious> how do i do .... arandr?
[13:44] <lotuspsychje> gagalicious: sudo apt-get install arandr
[13:44] <gagalicious> oh ok. thanks
[13:44] <zykotick9> gagalicious: if you currently can't use any GUI applications, i'm not sure how arandr will help...
[13:45] <gagalicious> zykotick9 : i managed to see the gnome panel now
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> oO
[13:45] <zykotick9> gagalicious: ahhh...
[13:45] <gagalicious> the odd thing is... i need to have both hdmi and vga connected! at the same time... and it will use hdmi default... while vga will be blank screen but MUST stay connected... else the hdmi wont display properly
[13:45] <gagalicious> weird huh?
[13:46] <geri> hi how can i install opengl dev libs on ubuntu using apt-get, whats the name of the package?
[13:46] <MonkeyDust> !find opengl | geri
[13:46] <lotuspsychje> geri: wich ubuntu version, and what are you trying to do mate
[13:46] <gagalicious> lotuspsychje :  so how can i... disable hdmi part manually and only allow it to detect / use vga? mentioned arandr... i checked but that doesnt seem to be what i want? it position the screen only?
[13:46] <backbox111> what you mean in "supported", so i can't get any suport in these chat, yes?
[13:46] <geri> is it not in mesa-dev ?
[13:47] <geri> lotuspsychje: ubuntu 14.04
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> backbox111: as MonkeyDust suggested, backbox isnt supported here
[13:47] <zykotick9> gagalicious: check the "Outputs" menu, uncheck hdmi
[13:48] <gagalicious> zykotick : what outputs menu? :I
[13:48] <gagalicious> oic... arandr
[13:48] <gagalicious> hang on... :) it's really strange :D
[13:49] <gagalicious> oh my god... i unchecked the wrong one... now i cant see anything... now what? does it restore itself? :I
[13:50] <gagalicious> i dont even know what's lvsd or dvi... :I coz i only have vga and hdmi...
[13:50] <geri> lotuspsychje: ubuntu 14.04
[13:50] <MonkeyDust> gagalicious  what was your initial question? i wonder why you're struggling so hard
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> geri: what are you trying to do?
[13:50] <gagalicious> i can see the gnome desktop in full now with the panel...
[13:50] <gagalicious> the odd thing is... i need to have both hdmi and vga connected! at the same time... and it will use hdmi default... while vga will be blank screen but MUST stay connected... else the hdmi wont display properly
[13:50] <gagalicious> that's my question
[13:51] <gagalicious> i just mingled with arandr....
[13:51] <gagalicious> unchecked the wrong screen :D
[13:51] <gagalicious> rebooted... hope it reverts
[13:51] <gagalicious> regardless i still like ubuntu :)
[13:51] <geri> lotuspsychje: i need the opengl development headers e.g. ... gl.h ...
[13:51] <gagalicious> i like the fact that u guys try to make it go fast.
[13:52] <gagalicious> faster than centos in terms of new things... though have to say... breaks fast as well... but u guys will fix it anyhow
[13:53] <lotuspsychje> geri: apt-cache search yourpackage
[13:53] <geri> lotuspsychje: the question is which package will i need!?
[13:53] <lotuspsychje> geri: we dont know what your doing, whats it for??
[13:53] <geri> opengl development
[13:54] <geri> gl.h is the opengl header
[13:54] <MonkeyDust> geri  if you don't get an answer, ask directions in #ubuntu-app-devel
[13:55] <TJ-> geri: "apt-file search 'gl.h$' " -> "" ... nothing returned. Are you sure the header file is gl.h ?
[13:55] <lotuspsychje> geri: can this help you further? http://askubuntu.com/questions/11378/how-do-i-set-up-an-opengl-programming-environment
[13:56] <geri> ok thx
[13:56] <geri> i installed libglu1-mesa-dev
[13:57] <TJ-> geri: I find : mesa-common-dev:amd64: /usr/include/GL/gl.h
[14:17] <narkman> hey guys
[14:27] <Jedi1> VPN using ubuntu
[14:28] <Jedi1> any easy way ?
[14:30] <ioria> !info network-manager-pptp
[14:31] <ioria> !info network-manager-vpnc
[14:32] <TJ-> Jedi1: That's like asking "Ice cream anyone?" .... you need to specify the flavour
[14:32] <B0g4r7> About as easy as any other OS, I'd say.  VPN isn't always easy regardless of the platform, depending on what your use case is.
[14:38] <MonkeyDust> !vpn | Jedi1 'easy' depends on how skilled you are
[14:38] <Jedi1> i tried
[14:39] <Jedi1> never was able to do a VPN
[14:39] <Jedi1> purchase something for digitalocean
[14:39] <Jedi1> sounded easy
[14:42] <bullicon> my lsof count is more than ulimit
[14:42] <bullicon> what is the implication of that
[14:43] <gagalicious> how can i make my arandr settings permanent?/j #webmin
[14:43] <gagalicious> oops
[14:43] <gagalicious> i got the answer... wrong type
[14:44] <hplc> what exists to help me sort out jitter / packetloss and such? more than the mtr and iperf i already use that is
[14:47] <MonkeyDust> hplc  start from the beginning, what brings you here... in one line
[14:49] <hplc> MonkeyDust, i pay for 100mbits line, but never ever see any better than 10-15 on any test at all, sometimes its so bad online media is not possible, and my connection is fiber.....all the way into my apartment
[14:50] <hplc> and all i run is ubuntu
[14:52] <B0g4r7> What logic leads you from low throughput to jitter and packet loss?
[14:53] <hplc> because i dont have a clue what to suspect at all
[14:53] <genii> Suspect the crappiness of your ISP
[14:54] <B0g4r7> I'd start by eliminating pieces one at a time.   If there's a router, bypass it.  If you have another computer, try it and see if it's any different...
[14:54] <hplc> have done that
[14:55] <hplc> i have fine 100mbits throughput in my home everywhere
[14:55] <B0g4r7> Do you know if other apartments in the bldg see the same thing?
[14:55] <hplc> no, have not asked anyone yet
[14:56] <B0g4r7> Does the internet service come with the building, or do you buy from the ISP directly?
[14:56] <hplc> hence i wanted to "go one step outside my own door" with my testing (ping, mtr, iperf etc etc)
[14:56] <hplc> buy from ISP
[14:57] <TJ-> hplc: is that the 100/100 mbits/s service ?
[14:57] <B0g4r7> Yeah, I'd contact the ISP.
[14:57] <hplc> mm.....no, i think it was cut 100/10
[14:57] <hplc> .....or was it 100/100?....not sure
[14:59] <jin7> hi. I have a problem in using Linux Mint 17 Cinnamon.  I can't save  the screen brightness.  My notebook has only one independent graphics card.
[14:59] <jin7> I can't save  the screen brightness.
[14:59] <TJ-> hplc: Are you using WiFi locally to connect to your PC? If so, at what speed. Have you tested the ISP connection using wired Ethernet from PC to router?
[15:01] <genii> hplc: To eliminate the cabling, try that machine at another location in the house where you get full speed on another machine
[15:01] <TJ-> hplc: the othe obvious question is... when doing speed tests you're not confusing 10MB/s (MegaBytes) with 10 Mb/s (Megabits) ?
[15:02] <hplc> TJ no wifi
[15:03] <hplc> no i understand 8 bits per byte
[15:06] <B0g4r7> There's really only so much you can do if you've eliminated the local hardware and user error.  Ping and iperf sound proper.
[15:06] <B0g4r7> I tend to 'ping -nOi .1 -s 1400 x.x.x.x'
[15:07] <hplc> B0g4r7, thanks, ill try it
[15:07] <B0g4r7> You'll need to use sudo for that .1 second interval.
[15:07]  * boofsterb waves hello
[15:08] <hplc> that and excel-sheet will have to be the setup
[15:08] <B0g4r7> If you see packet loss above maybe 0.2%, or jitter above 50ms, that's kinda bad.
[15:09] <TJ-> hplc: Did "no wifi" mean you're not using WiFi ?
[15:10] <hplc> TJ correct.......well apart for the samsung pad i watch movies with in bed in nights
[15:10] <B0g4r7> speedtest.net and pingtest.net can also be useful.
[15:10] <hplc> B0g4r7, its those that report 15Mbits
[15:10] <TJ-> hplc: And, have you asked your ISPs support department to run tests from their end... it is possible that they've misconfigured your service to be 10/10 rather than the 100/100 you ordered. Those are only configuration settings in the equiment
[15:11] <B0g4r7> I guess gather your evidence and then take it to the ISP.
[15:11] <hplc> B0g4r7, thats the idea, so far i tried calling
[15:11] <hplc> B0g4r7, they dont take me seriously, i need to show "real" raports
[15:12] <teward> hplc: call them and say that "I think my configuration is out of date, please push a new configuration file to my devices please."
[15:13] <B0g4r7> And of course make sure you don't have something you're unaware of consuming in the apt sitting there consuming tins of bandwidth and skewing the results.
[15:13] <teward> ^
[15:13] <B0g4r7> That came out a little garbled, but you get the idea.
[15:13] <teward> hplc: my other suggestion is to disconnect the rest of your equipment from the Internet, and hook your computer right up to the network / modem - then run the speed test
[15:13] <hplc> B0g4r7, yes i understand :)
[15:13] <teward> and not wifi, i mean eathernet
[15:13] <teward> ethernet*
[15:14] <hplc> teward, i cant, every time i unplug that cable from the FDDI bridge, it takes 1 hour to get a new lease
[15:14] <hplc> dhcp lease
[15:15] <hplc> it should take seconds
[15:15] <hplc> but they defend their stupidity with fierce hash language
[15:15] <B0g4r7> geez, that sounds kinda b0rked.
[15:15] <MonkeyDust> hplc  in which country are you?
[15:15] <hplc> swe
[15:16] <hplc> main actor responsible for the net is called ITUX
[15:16] <jacksonP> Hey folks, just curious but is there away to force my machine (ubu15.04 64bit desktop) to only work with a VPN and force the VPN to always be on (at least persistently trying to be if not already)?
[15:16] <hplc> they are a**clowns
[15:17] <jamesd> jacksonP: you have to configure the vpn timeout to be long, and configure the client to auto-reconnect.
[15:17] <B0g4r7> If you keep bugging them maybe they'll do something.   Is there another client I should be using?
[15:18] <hplc> jamesd, yes the ITUX company who own the wires, the switches the hubs the what-not
[15:18] <compdoc_> does MIR allow you to connect remotely to the desktop?
[15:18] <B0g4r7> I work at an ISP, and that's how it goes with us.  The squeaky wheels get greased, and being polite helps.
[15:19] <hplc> but they aggressivly claim it IS possible to release a loan in advance
[15:19] <jacksonP> sikio: I don't see a firewall app. is this also another app I need to install?
[15:19] <hplc> but they wont say how
[15:19]  * jamesd has to live in vpn hell...  when on the vpn i can't access anything on my local network which includes, printer, and scanner, local fileserver and my personal esxi farm....  the only good thing is that it has a 24 hour timeout so if i dont need anything local i only have to re-sign on daily.
[15:20] <jacksonP> ah ha! I found the "always connect to firewall with this connection under the wired connection's options
[15:20] <Nairwolf> hi, I've just made a "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade". There is a package that I need to remove with "apt-get autoremove". How can I know how this package has been installed ? By which dependency ?
[15:20] <sikio> jacksonP: I'm talking about iptables, it's installed by default
[15:21] <TJ-> jamesd: You only need to ensure the PC has a route for your local network to have access to both.
[15:21] <sikio> though it requires experience to do, but I assume there are guides for that
[15:21] <canaima_> hello
[15:21] <flarea> Hello!
[15:21] <jamesd> TJ-: the vpn software enforces all traffic over the vpn, and its a security policy I can't change it or the vpn software fails.
[15:21] <canaima_> alguien habla ingles
[15:22] <canaima_> jajaja
[15:22] <canaima_> español
[15:22] <TJ-> jamesd: is that on Ubuntu?
[15:22] <B0g4r7> This one guy kept calling us again and again saying "my ping, it is too high".      He hasn't called since.
[15:23] <flarea> Can someone help me with Playonlinux? I read in the POL forums that it's possible to install and play The Sims 4... I bought the original cd some time ago, and I'd like to play it on my pc, now runs Ubuntu 15.04
[15:23] <jamesd> TJ-: mostly windows, but i do have a ubuntu virtual that needs vpn as well, if the routing table changes it drops the link and if i try to touch /etc/resolv.conf it deletes the file.
[15:23] <jd_p> hello
[15:23] <TJ-> jamesd: I'd be throwing that out right away :)
[15:24] <jd_p> alguien habla spanish
[15:24] <pavlos> !es| jd_p
[15:24] <jamesd> TJ-: new job only been working for 4 months, but the pay is great and job security, so I have to live with it. don't want to rock the boat.
[15:24] <jd_p> ok
[15:25] <TJ-> jamesd: put the work services in a VM :)
[15:27] <styler2go> Hello everyone. Does ubuntu log actions which user do?
[15:27] <jamesd> TJ-: i have one vm allready, but the laptop only has 8GB of ram.... putting windows in a vm will leave too little resources for anything else... so I do the next best thing... a 23" monitor + 27" monnitor connected to the laptop and a another 23" monitor connected to my personal desktop and a personal laptop... so I have enough resources... at my disposal...  only 24GB and 12 cores combined, before i even login to my esxi farm.
[15:27] <TJ-> styler2go: not normally. Only logins and sudo operations
[15:28] <styler2go> logins is enough
[15:28] <styler2go> where does it get logged?
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> styler2go: history can show terminal commands
[15:28] <jamesd> styler2go: /var/log/...  man last for details
[15:29] <TJ-> jamesd: I use a laptop with 8GB, 6 monitors over 3 GPUs ... and not run out of resources yet despite running VMs too
[15:29] <Nairwolf> How can I know when a package has been installed and why ?
[15:29] <TJ-> Nairwolf: "dpkg -l <packagename>"
[15:29] <Nairwolf> thanks
[15:29] <styler2go> thank you
[15:29] <TJ-> Nairwolf: Or also, "apt-cache policy <packagename>"
[15:30] <jamesd> TJ-: my job is like drinking from a fire hose... many tabs open, constant emails, and chat... i typically have 40 chrome tabs open on a slow day.
[15:30] <styler2go> also, does ssh save the ip which a user connected from?
[15:30] <TJ-> styler2go: "/var/log/auth.log" ... you'll need elevated prvlileges to access that file: "sudo less /var/log/auth.log"
[15:30] <styler2go> thank you
[15:31] <Nairwolf> with dpkg I don't have acess to date of installation
[15:31] <Nairwolf> just basic information about this package
[15:31] <Nairwolf> even with apt-cache
[15:31] <Nairwolf> in fact, I've made apt-get dist-upgrade and it says me that I can remove libcrypto++9
[15:32] <ioria> Nairwolf,  cat /var/log/apt/history.log and for deps   apt-cache depends <package>
[15:32] <Nairwolf> And I would like to know why this package have been installed, and when
[15:32] <Nairwolf> apt-cache depends would be fine
[15:32] <TJ-> jamesd: I know how it is; I have 4 Firefox instances running with each dedicated to a different purpose, each on a different X screen. For heavy lifting I ssh into build servers
[15:33] <Nairwolf> to much dependecies, I'll try with history.log
[15:33] <styler2go> is it possible to copy files from chroot?
[15:33] <TJ-> styler2go: from outside the chroot yes
[15:34] <styler2go> TJ-: can you explain how?
[15:34] <Nairwolf> How can I combine "cat" and "grep" to find the word "libcrypto++9"
[15:34] <Nairwolf> maybe with "|" no ?
[15:34] <ubuntu655> got a problem file that in windows says too long/invalid.. in ubuntu when using rm -rf * it says cannot remove 'gives filename here' no such file or directory; when i try to move it with sudo mv * / it says cannot stat 'gives filename here' no such file or directory... ls -i says cannot access and then gives the file name... I think one of the big problems is that it has \n newline characters in the name. any ideas?
[15:34] <ioria> Nairwolf,  yep
[15:35] <Nairwolf> I've made "cat history.log* | grep libcrypto++9" but it's not enough. I've find a line with libcrypto, but I need to find the line before to understand
[15:35] <zykotick9> Nairwolf: just drop the cat, use "grep libcrypto++9 filename"
[15:35] <Nairwolf> ok
[15:35] <Nairwolf> thanks