[20:24] <Unit193> canthus13: I'd assume you're not interested in Openbox at all now?
[20:25] <paultag> http://i.minus.com/i8Mlu0EqJoZb0.gif
[22:15] <canthus13> Unit193: not really. I'm pretty satisfied with AwesomeWM.
[22:16] <Unit193> Oh?  Nice, interesting choice.
[22:23] <yano> i love AwesomWM
[22:50] <Unit193> I tried a live system with it. :P
[22:50] <Unit193> Was interesting, but don't think it's my thing.


[02:38] <cjohnston> jcastro: ping
[07:33] <dpm> good morning all
[08:01] <kim0> morning all
[08:02] <dpm> morning kim0!
[08:03] <kim0> dpm: hey morning :)
[08:20] <dholbach> good morning
[08:36] <dpm> hey dholbach!
[08:36] <dholbach> hey dpm
[09:14] <duanedesign> morning all
[09:17] <vish> are we having the video sessions mentioned in the topic? how often are those? like what is the schedule..
[09:18]  * dholbach is going to do another one this week - last time has been a bit irregular
[09:20] <vish> dholbach: oh! so its not like something with a fixed schedule? but rather you announce a sessions when you have content to present?
[09:20] <dholbach> originally I did it every two weeks, same time
[09:21] <dholbach> but then there was christmas, then there was the sprint, then I got incredibly busy
[09:21] <dholbach> etc
[09:21] <dholbach> but it's meant to be
[09:21] <dholbach> ... fixed
[09:21] <vish> ok.. :)
[09:21] <dholbach> vish is keeping me on my toes
[09:21]  * vish was wondering when to direct folks to watch that.. :)
[09:21] <vish> dholbach: hehe, nah, i just forgot the schedule :)
[09:24] <dholbach> ok, I thought I was fired ;-)
[09:25] <vish> ;p
[09:57] <czajkowski> Aloha
[10:06] <duanedesign> o/
[10:06] <duanedesign> how are you today czajkowski ?
[10:06] <czajkowski> sleepy
[10:06] <czajkowski> and woke up late
[10:06] <czajkowski> so bit of a headless chicken today
[10:06] <duanedesign> :)
[10:06] <duanedesign> i know that feeliing
[10:07] <duanedesign> feels like our brief reprive from winter is over
[10:07] <czajkowski> I woke up thought I hit snooze
[10:07] <czajkowski> turns out I hit off
[10:07] <czajkowski> woke up 90 mins later
[10:08] <duanedesign> I have turned my alarm off before and not remembered doing it
[10:08] <czajkowski> I usually am that good
[10:08] <czajkowski> just so god damn tired atm
[12:05] <kim0> does the Ubuntu wiki have an irc channel ..
[12:06] <kim0> wonder if I can embed a youtube screencast on a page
[12:06] <czajkowski> kim0: ask the canonical sysadmins..
[12:07] <popey> you can't embed video on a wiki page
[12:07] <popey> I have tried :)
[12:07] <czajkowski> the wiki doesnt even like being edited with wiki content never mind a video
[12:07] <kim0> hehe
[12:07] <kim0> neither iframe nor <object> work
[12:08] <kim0> one other thing .. after uploading an attachment, I discovered I cannot delete it :D
[12:29] <AlanBell> kim0: there are moin plugins to embed youtube etc, I could write one for whatever video source you are using, it isn't a technical problem :(
[12:30] <daker> kim0, got my PM ?
[12:31] <kim0> AlanBell: yeah I noticed there is .. so it seems IS doesn't like that .. Thanks anyway, I'll just link to the vid
[12:32] <kim0> daker: hey yes I did .. thanks! Actually I got a bunch of little tweaks that I'll need your help with .. Can I ping you tonight
[12:32] <daker> sure
[12:33] <kim0> daker: you're awesome :)
[12:33] <daker> i know :D
[12:45] <Pendulum> hey, can anyone here RT this, I don't have many followers and I'm hoping we get some good feedback http://twitter.com/#!/colona13/status/40020405666189312 :)
[12:46] <czajkowski> Pendulum: copying the above comment to another channel ok
[12:46] <czajkowski> is that ok
[12:46] <Pendulum> czajkowski: of course!
[12:47]  * Pendulum all of a sudden gets highlighted in a bunch more channels :P
[12:47] <czajkowski> Pendulum: sorry
[12:47] <Pendulum> s'ok
[12:47] <Pendulum> I'm amused
[12:49] <czajkowski> Pendulum: see last channel I highlighted yo in
[12:49] <czajkowski> discussion there
[12:59] <AlanBell> jcastro: on the uds sponsorship thing, did the special requirements field get boosted to 3000 characters or just the first text area?
[14:49] <jcastro> AlanBell: just the text area
[15:17] <doctormo> scott-work: I think you might be right
[15:26] <vish> duanedesign: am i a bad influence, you are turning evil too? ;p
[15:28] <duanedesign> :)
[15:28] <duanedesign> vish: i am trying out IRCCloud
[15:29] <duanedesign> vish: needed an alternate nick grouped to my account
[15:30] <vish>  IRCcloud, yea, i heard about it.. need to check it out..
[15:36] <akgraner> I kinda liked it...IRCcloud that is..  but I forget about most of the time...
[15:36] <akgraner> forget about [it] most of the time ... DOH I can't type
[15:37] <kim0> nothing beats irssi in screen :P
[15:37] <popey> not even chocolate?
[15:37] <Pendulum> I <3 irssi, although I don't use it in screen. I need to start at some point
[15:38] <kim0> popey: something to think about :)
[15:38] <Pendulum> (I've been saying I'd get my act together and start using it in screen for about 2 years now. Expect it to take at least another 2 years to happen ;) )
[15:38] <akgraner> I use xchat..and some free app for my phone
[15:39] <akgraner> (when I remember I can connect using my phone)
[15:39] <Pici> ♥ irssi
[15:39] <Pendulum> I'm about the least technical person ever to love irssi
[15:39] <akgraner> I keep saying, "I need to look into irssi" but sadly I haven't done so
[15:39] <Pendulum> but anything else makes me want to hit things
[15:50] <sense> Do you need to use the browser client for IRCCloud?
[15:50] <scott-work> doctormo:  again, i apologize if i was too forward, but it's so sad to witness, i can only imagine what it must feel to be involved
[15:50]  * czajkowski loves screen+irssi
[15:52] <doctormo> scott-work: Yes, it's sad. I think we'll need the CC involved eventually.
[15:52] <scott-work> :(
[15:58] <vish> scott-work: in all the confusion, there hasnt been a response from anyone to your mail :s
[15:58] <scott-work> vish: it's quite understandable with all the turmoil
[15:59] <scott-work> actually the ubuntu studio team has been trying to reach out to other audio distros that are based on ubuntu studio
[15:59] <scott-work> to help pull some of their improvements back into ubuntu studio, much like submitting patches to "upstream" as it were
[16:00] <scott-work> and one of the developer/maintainers of another distro has shown interest as an art lead/director :)
[16:00] <scott-work> and a few others have emailed me directly as well
[16:02] <vish> scott-work: i think Cory had asked dashua to look into it
[16:02] <vish> but dashua got inactive too..
[16:02] <vish> that was a long while ago though^
[16:02] <vish> maybe 6-10 months?
[16:21] <Technoviking> jcastro: the slave DB on the forums has been replaced, we should be good.
[16:22] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow!
[16:23] <jcastro> Technoviking: sweet, when's the other small forums being turned back on?
[16:23]  * jcastro admittedly only reads CC and the +1 forum
[16:23] <Technoviking> slowly during the day today
[16:25] <dpm> see you dholbach!
[16:25] <dholbach> bye dpm
[17:30] <Technoviking> jcastro: cafe is back up
[17:30] <jcastro> woo!
[17:38] <Technoviking> dpm: FYI http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1693111
[17:45]  * popey tickles Technoviking
[17:46] <Technoviking> popey: teehee
[17:46] <Technoviking> popey: what is up
[17:46] <popey> Unity on my mac :)
[17:46]  * popey is happy now the nouveau driver works on it
[17:47] <popey> (it was segfaulting)
[17:47] <popey> I spoke to a guy in #nouveau and he threw a patch together, I rebuilt mesa and job done
[17:47] <Technoviking> popey: just saw, heavy tweaking or ootb
[17:47] <popey> 10.10 -> 11.04 upgrade
[17:47] <popey> basic install, no tweaking yet
[17:47] <popey> mouse is still skittish
[17:47] <popey> I upgraded the disk in the MBP to 1TB :D
[17:48] <popey> and RAM to 8GB :)
[17:48] <popey> MUHAHAHAHAhahahahaahahahaaha *choke*
[17:48] <Technoviking> trying th ejedi mind trick on wife to get SSD for MPB, no luck so far
[17:50] <Technoviking> think I can clean install natty on my mbp?
[17:53] <popey> i went for a massive disk for the MBP
[17:53] <popey> i tried
[17:53] <popey> did you know we have a mac specific ISO now?!
[17:53] <popey> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[17:53] <Technoviking> sweet!
[17:53] <popey> "natty-desktop-amd64+mac.iso   " - "Desktop CD for 64-bit Mac (AMD64) computers (standard download)"
[17:56] <Technoviking> no mactel ppa needed?
[18:02] <kim0> popey: are you running that ? does it work well
[18:07] <dpm> thanks Technoviking, I've just replied
[18:19] <Technoviking> dpm: your an Ubuntu member?
[18:20] <jono> anyone seen jcastro?
[18:20] <dpm> Technoviking, yeah, I need the badge, don't I? :)
[18:20] <vish> jono: hey.. i did.
[18:21] <vish> i'm guessing it is lunch time for him..
[18:21] <jono> vish, were is he?
[18:21] <jono> where
[18:21] <vish> jono: wait, i meant saw on IRC :) .. he was here a atleast till 45mins ago.. :)
[18:22] <Technoviking> dpm: done
[18:22] <jono> hmm ok cheers
[18:22] <dpm> Technoviking, cool, thanks!
[18:25]  * vish should stop hiding join/part messages.. but that 45mins i mentioned is the last chat jcastro had here
[18:28] <popey> yeah, he was here earlier
[18:28] <popey> < jcastro> Man! I love working for jono! He's _so_ awesome!
[18:28] <popey> or something
[18:28] <popey> ;)
[18:29] <sense> By the way, did any Ubuntu community member get hit by the New Zealand earth quake?
[18:30] <vish> sense: maybe humphreybc?
[18:30] <vish> just since he is nz..
[18:31] <sense> vish: Last earth quake he was tweeting a lot, but I haven't seen anything from him this time.
[18:31] <vish> yea, i remember..
[18:31] <popey> yes
[18:32] <popey> his parents house was apparently pretty badly knocked about
[18:32] <sense> I hope he's alright.
[18:32] <popey> he is
[18:32] <popey> family is, house isnt
[18:32] <popey> i believe its also his parents business, as its a guest house
[18:33] <popey> :(
[18:33] <sense> :(
[18:33] <sense> That's a shame.
[18:33] <Pendulum> oh no :(
[18:33] <Pendulum> most of my friends seem to have escaped at least physical harm, although one friend from uni hasn't checked in yet
[18:35] <jono> popey, LOL
[18:36] <popey> :)
[18:46] <Technoviking> popey: the mac daily cd is giving me fail
[18:48] <popey> yeah, thats why i went 10.10 -> 11.04
[19:27] <jcastro> hey JFo
[19:27] <JFo> hiya jcastro
[19:27] <jcastro> I just wanted to say ...  I get worried when they start :)
[19:29] <jcastro> Technoviking: if I had a beer the last place you would see me is talking to JFo
[19:29] <jcastro> :p
[19:58] <jcastro> anyone want to help test summit real quick? I need someone who hasn't submitted for sponsorship
[20:03] <akgraner> jcastro, did you get anyone to submit anything yet
[20:03] <jcastro> nope
[20:03] <jcastro> wanna try it?
[20:03] <akgraner> yep
[20:04] <jcastro> sec
[20:04] <jcastro> don't bother leaving real data I'm going to have to delete this anyway
[20:04] <akgraner> k
[20:04] <akgraner> on it
[20:04] <jcastro> ok try it
[20:05] <akgraner> jcastro, submitted
[20:06] <akgraner> and I got a message this time
[20:06] <akgraner> it says - Request Sponsorship
[20:06] <akgraner> Thanks very much for requesting sponsorship to uds-o. If you have any queries about your request, please e-mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:06] <akgraner> We'll let you know whether or not your request has been accepted soon via email.
[20:06] <jcastro> sweet
[20:06] <akgraner> is that what you needed to know?
[20:06] <akgraner> anything else?
[20:06] <jcastro> yeah
[20:06] <jcastro> I just need to make sure you're in there
[20:06] <jcastro> nice!
[20:06] <jcastro> works
[20:08] <akgraner> sweet
[20:08] <m4n1sh> akgraner: you mean get a message via mail?
[20:08] <akgraner> no on the screen
[20:09] <m4n1sh> thanks
[20:09] <akgraner> before you never knew if your submission was successful
[20:09] <m4n1sh> jcastro: till when is it open?
[20:09] <jcastro> it's closed now, I was just testing it
[20:09] <akgraner> jcastro, let me know when my stuff has been deleted so I can apply for realz :-)
[20:09] <m4n1sh> I mean when opening and when closing - the sponsorship?
[20:09] <jcastro> akgraner: deleted!
[20:10] <m4n1sh> jcastro: hope old data is still preserved
[20:10] <m4n1sh> the one submitted, when it was opened by mistake
[20:10] <jcastro> it is
[20:10] <akgraner> jcastro, need anything else?
[20:10] <m4n1sh> thanks
[20:10] <jcastro> akgraner: nope I am good!
[20:10] <akgraner> cool beans catch ya later then
[20:11] <jcastro> \o/
[21:03] <jcastro> irc's not very reliable for me today
[21:13] <jcastro> so is freenode having problems or is it just me?
[21:14] <pleia2> there have been some netsplits
[21:15] <doctormo> pleia2: morning
[21:16] <pleia2> hey doctormo :)
[21:17] <pleia2> doctormo: I'm doing a talk at SCaLE on finding help in Ubuntu and I'm using some of your asking smart questions slides :)
[21:17] <doctormo> pleia2: That's great, I'd like to see that.
[21:17] <pleia2> I'll be sure to send you the slides (there will probably be a video eventually too)
[21:17] <doctormo> cool
[21:18] <Pendulum> jcastro: Martinp23(martinp23@freenode/staff/martinp23)- [Global Notice] Hi everyone! Just a bit of re-routing there which will hopefully reduce lag in parts of the network and make the layout a bit more sane. Sorry for the noise! Join #freenode with any questions.
[21:45] <czajkowski> jcastro: go plus +w and you see the wallop information on freenode
[21:50] <Technoviking> wow, this is tripe http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/12068_3925641_1/Ubuntu-Where-Did-the-Love-Go.htm
[21:53] <jono> Technoviking, yeah, it is nonsense
[21:53] <jono> I am disappointed in Bruce for that on
[21:53] <jono> one
[21:59] <pleia2> wow, speculation abounds
[22:02] <popey> and dredging up distant past
[22:05] <pleia2> I am not sure why he mentions upstart at all, it really hurts his point :)
[22:11] <maco> since fedora and debian and chrome os all use it?
[22:11] <maco> and he's wrong about init being able to do all that upstart does anyway
[22:18] <JFo> that seems to be professional trolling at its worst/finest
[22:24] <AlanBell> a lesson in flamebait that comes straight from the OMG playbook
[22:36] <paultag> is that the slashdot post?
[22:41] <jcastro> well
[22:41] <jcastro> If you look at his little history, people have hated Ubuntu and said it's been going downhill since ..... 4.10!
[22:45] <Technoviking> I love that all the discussion with Ubuntu are only political based and not technical:)


[18:03] <Unit193> Also, sorry.  Saw somehow I missed uploading xfdashy to extras. 0_o
[18:43] <Unit193> ochosi: Did you add the new plugins to the wiki?
[18:48] <ochosi> Unit193: only to the xfce roadmap page so far
[20:07] <Unit193> xfconf and -notifyd will stick in my staging repo until other things (greybird, -panel, -settings) grow support.
[20:09] <ochosi> greybird should have it soon and if i understood ali correctly the panel and settings *should* work
[20:10] <Unit193> They certainly seem to, aye.
[20:11] <Unit193> Also will wait for plugging in to work, I think.  But yeah, sounds like it's all basically here.
[20:11] <ochosi> i'll try to fix greybird tonight
[20:13] <Unit193> No rush, still have to get it in PPA or uploaded. :P


[20:00] <mcinitreevan> JohnLea_: I'm working on http://pad.lv/1050195 and was directed to you in terms of where on the overlay to put the shortcuts, mind helping me out?


[00:02] <rootkea> alkisg, The file was /var/lib/polkit-1/localauthority/10-vendor.d/com.ubuntu.desktop.pkla where Ubuntu specific changes to polkit are stored. In "[Mounting, checking, etc. of internal drives]" section I changed value for `ResultActive` to `auth_admin_keep` from default `yes`. And now Ubuntu asks password while mounting drives! :)
[00:24] <impermanence> I have one package complaining another being replaced is the wrong version, but the other complains about the same regarding the first
[00:24] <impermanence> https://bpa.st/WZVA
[00:28] <sarnold> what's the problem?
[00:28] <Bashing-om> !xenial | impermanence
[00:29] <impermanence> this is esm
[00:29] <impermanence> sarnold: the problem is in the bpaste.
[00:29] <impermanence> unless I'm missing something.
[00:29] <impermanence> or to be more specific:
[00:30] <impermanence> here's one angle of the problem:
[00:30] <impermanence> https://bpa.st/7B6Q
[00:31] <sarnold> impermanence: why are you trying to upgrade only one of them?
[00:31] <impermanence> I'm trying to upgrade both
[00:31] <sarnold> impermanence: these packages are meant to be upgraded in lockstep
[00:31] <sarnold> lets start over: what's wrong with "apt upgrade"?
[00:34] <impermanence> sarnold: it says only 1 package to be upgraded.  not the ones that are being complained about when I run "the other tool" lol.
[00:34] <impermanence> problem packages
[00:34] <impermanence> https://bpa.st/TPKQ
[00:35] <impermanence> if apt says they're upgradable why aren't they being upgraded?
[00:36] <sarnold> excellent question; try an apt install libssl-dev libssl-doc libssl1.0.0   and see if that does it?
[00:38] <impermanence> sure
[00:38] <impermanence> working :-|
[00:38] <impermanence> I'm lost
[00:40] <impermanence> I don't know why Chef would fail to do the same.  Strange :-)
[00:43] <enigma9o7[m]> Chocolate salty balls?
[00:46] <sarnold> hehe
[00:46] <sarnold> impermanence: I wonder if chef's setting funny options that prevents the 'standard flow'?
[00:46] <impermanence> could be yes
[00:46] <impermanence> I'm going to keep cracking on unfortunately
[00:48] <sarnold> good luck ;) if you craack it I'd be curious to hear what it was
[00:48] <sarnold> it feels like a frustrating experience
[00:50] <impermanence> that's because it issss a frustrating experience
[00:50] <impermanence> I have zero chef experience so the whole thing is utterly ridiculous
[00:52] <sarnold> impermanence: I wonder, can a system that old run execsnoop-bpfcc (from the bpfcc-tools package) ? it might be worthwhile to see the full commandlines that chef executes
[00:54] <impermanence> I'm wondering why it was even trying to upgrade the libssl packages in *the first place*.  So I'm decrementing those package versions for a second.
[00:54] <impermanence> this was the *original* problem
[00:55] <impermanence> I cam upon a server and the chef-client was failing because it said it thought it needed to update libssl and then hit a dependency problem.  this is problem 0.
[00:55] <impermanence> okay here's the juice
[00:56] <impermanence> I don't know *why* it is trying to upgrade libssl1.0.0
[00:56] <impermanence> https://bpa.st/4POQ
[00:57] <impermanence> alright turns out there is an openssl recipe :-|
[00:58] <impermanence> but I'm not sure if that is related at all
[01:01] <impermanence> yeah not sure
[01:05] <sarnold> impermanence: that "why the update?" might be easier, https://ubuntu.com/security/notices/USN-5328-2
[01:05] <impermanence> sarnold you genius
[01:05] <impermanence> I mean...that's it.
[01:06] <impermanence> okay so here's how this works
[01:06] <impermanence> and here's what's confusing me
[01:06] <impermanence> imagine a file that has a bunch of pinned packages
[01:07] <impermanence> and for libssl* all those packages are pinned to `1.0.2g-1ubuntu4.20+esm1`
[01:07] <impermanence> but of course I guess the repos on the canonical side are like forcing it or whatever, via esm I guess.  okay fine.
[01:07] <impermanence> so you would think that when I change `1.0.2g-1ubuntu4.20+esm1` to `1.0.2g-1ubuntu4.20+esm2`
[01:07] <impermanence> we'd be gravy
[01:08] <impermanence> but then that's when chef-client hits: https://bpa.st/4POQ
[01:09] <impermanence> and then in the openssl::upgrade recipe the logic says:
[01:09] <impermanence> https://bpa.st/KXXA
[01:09] <sarnold> impermanence: package holds are kinda weird, I'm not *too* shocked that an openssl::upgrade recpie wouldn't be prepared to handle some of hte packages being held, others not
[01:10] <sarnold> impermanence: but it also feels like the recipe should be prepared to upgrade whatever binary packages are actually installed from the openssl source package
[01:11] <sarnold> impermanence: is there a newer version of the recipe? it's not a problem for you yet, but eg focal has libssl1.1 rather than libssl1.0.0 ..
[01:11] <impermanence> no there isn't but obviously that is on the horizon
[01:11] <impermanence> but I don't understand why it's breaking
[01:12] <impermanence> this is xenial
[01:12] <impermanence> so openssl::upgrade if after precise then libssl1.0.0
[01:13] <sarnold> put it on the list of things that probably needs investigating before too long
[01:13] <impermanence> unfortunately this is breaking dev and thus deploys are broke so releases are broke
[01:16] <impermanence> I mean I get why it's failing now
[01:16] <impermanence> it runs recipe openssl::upgrade and of course it hits the esm backend which says "you must have esm2 version instead of esm1"
[01:17] <impermanence> and for some reasoning despite us being *pinned* at esm1 it still tries to upgrade it anyway or something
[01:17] <impermanence> and then it fails
[01:17] <impermanence> it's like esm is overriding chef or something
[01:23] <impermanence> or the logic of openssl:upgrade is faulty
[03:37] <xu-irc92w> !22.04
[03:42] <wez> I have mixed feelings about April. The next Ubuntu is released but also health insurance premiums go up :/
[04:01] <notnowimbusy> ping?
[04:03] <notnowimbusy> whois
[04:06] <notnowimbusy> names *
[04:07] <lotuspsychje> can we help you notnowimbusy
[04:10] <notnowimbusy> Ubuntu bionic 18.04.  The other day the cursor which appears when my point enters an xterm changed from an arrow to a hand.  How did that happen?  How do I switch it back?
[04:36] <notnowimbusy> Hello?
[04:37] <notnowimbusy> Ubuntu bionic 18.04.  The other day the cursor which appears when my point enters an xterm changed from an arrow to a hand.  How did that happen?  How do I switch it back?
[04:47] <Bashing-om> notnowimbusy: Did you hide the terminal ? - and then a right click to "move" ? what happens now if you drag the terminal ?
[04:49] <notnowimbusy> I have hid/revealed the terminal a bunch.  Just now I moved it and played with various buttons.  Dragging works exactly as previously.  When my point reaches the terminal border it switches to an arrow.  When I click to move it, it switches back to a hand.
[04:51] <notnowimbusy> It just clicked that I had played around with the "settings" dialog playing with the "natural scroll" setting.  The value I saw for primary button looked wrong so I played with that, but it had been correct.
[04:52] <notnowimbusy> I am actually a moderately experienced user, it is gnome et al which are "new" to me.
[04:53] <notnowimbusy> Also, how do I shut off the "joined" and "quit" messages?  I am having a devil of a time working my way thru "/help".
[04:55] <notnowimbusy> Ooops.  Just saw "on notify".  Will try that.
[04:56] <matsaman> https://irssi.org/documentation/help/ignore/#examples
[04:57] <Bashing-om> notnowimbusy: Depending on your client - try in your status window ' /ignore <#channel> JOINS QUITS ' . I am not familiar with Gnome - I have no other to advise about that hand :(
[04:58] <notnowimbusy> Just typed "slash"ignore joins quits.  Moments before I saw that suggestion I typed /on -channel_signoff
[04:59] <notnowimbusy> Familiar with gnome?  Oh wow, have I got some questions for you!   :-)
[04:59] <notnowimbusy> Ok.  Just got a joined and 2 sign off notifications.
[05:15] <notnowimbusy> Drat.  "slash"on ^notify_signoff *   Did not work.
[06:02] <notnowimbusy> time
[06:19] <ash_worksi> oerheks: thanks for looking
[08:11] <amosbird> Hello! How can I change my network interface name from eths0s1 to eth0 temporarily
[08:11] <amosbird> I'd like to find some command to do it real quick without changing any configuration files
[08:20] <Gamara> Hey I am running ubuntu server (latest version of ubuntu) and everytime I want to connect to github using ssh keys it says my keys are invalid (they arent because I have connected to it before). When I try to add the keys (when I get this to work sometimes it immediately forgets them) using ssh-add `~/.ssh/github.repo` it returns Could not open a
[08:20] <Gamara> connection to your authentication agent. How do I get my ssh client to properly read the keys in the .ssh directory its really annoying to have to add the keys every time I want to do a git pull
[08:20] <Gamara> on new session start
[08:53] <explodes> Deja Dup is shitty software. Change my mind
[09:03] <explodes> thanks Backup!!! https://i.imgur.com/GGTWvJR.png
[09:44] <mort> how do you install the chromium package on ubuntu
[09:44] <mort> not the snap, the actual package
[09:44] <ravage> ubuntu does not provide that anymore
[09:44] <mort> that kinda sucks
[09:45] <mort> snap doesn't... really work
[09:45] <lotuspsychje> cant generalize statements like that mort
[09:45] <mort> I can and I will
[09:45] <mort> snap is a decent tech demo, but there are just so many issues
[09:45] <lotuspsychje> not in the support channel
[09:46] <ravage> then please do it somewhere else
[09:46] <mort> alright, if you want something concrete: how do you get chromium from the snap to work on wayland
[09:47] <ravage> there are support contacts onhttps://snapcraft.io/chromium
[09:47] <mort> this would've just worked with the apt package you know
[09:48] <mort> somehow, the chromium snap isn't able to connect to the wayland server
[09:48] <mort> presumably because some containment bs is preventing it from connecting to the socket
[09:49] <lotuspsychje> mort: check the recent chromium bugs; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bugs?field.tag=snap&orderby=importance&start=0
[09:49] <mort> the whole snap experience is chock full of stuff that doesn't properly integrate with the system, doesn't respect your settings, doesn't provide the features it otherwise would, or just doesn't work
[09:50] <lotuspsychje> then pick/use alternate browsers of you likings that doesnt snap, like falkon browser for example
[09:50] <mort> why should I have to pick a different browser just because canonical is incapable of packaging the one I want? There's nothing wrong with chromium here, canonical just doesn't provide a working chromium package
[09:51] <lotuspsychje> there's no use to discuss it here mort volunteers cant help that fact
[09:51] <mort> this is the official Ubuntu support channel is it not
[09:52] <mort> I'll just compile chromium myself
[09:54] <ravage> or you can google "chromium mint ubuntu". that may give some helpful information
[09:55] <mort> would you happen to have a link? I'm not entirely sure what information could possibly be helpful at this point and when I try your search terms I just get articles about how to install the chromium snap on mint or how to run `apt install chromium`
[09:56] <ravage> https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2020/11/chromium-browser-deb-available-linux-mint-20/ for example
[09:58] <mort> I'm not sure how comfortable I would be adding random other distros' repos to my system, that seems like the kind of thing which is bound to break at some point
[09:58] <ravage> That is a good point
[09:59] <mort> maybe it would be an okay solution for some people, but I've compiled chromium enough that it's not a huge deal
[10:00] <ravage> Great 👍
[10:05] <mort> fwiw I looked at the bugs linked by lotuspsychje and it seems like the chromium snap hasn't ever worked on wayland: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1897454
[10:06] <NeoFAT32> Ubuntu Touch, Ubuntu Touch ! Ubuntu Touch !!!
[10:06] <NeoFAT32> Come on guys, give them the money !
[10:08] <ravage> !ot | NeoFAT32
[10:09] <NeoFAT32> Give a new kind of touch for Ubuntu !!!
[13:12] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:05] <jjavaholic_> https://pastebin.com/jRDisAxy dvi-I-2 disconnected RX780/RD790 AMD
[14:09] <ice9> how can I determine nvme interface type (M.2/PCIe) from the command line?
[14:10] <wez> ls /dev
[14:14] <jjavaholic_> xrandr --output dvi-i-2 --mode 1920x1080_60.00 warning: output dvi-i-2 not found; ignoring why?
[14:18] <processwatch> Having installed celestia with snap, it's unable to find data/stars.dat, mostly because it didn't seem to get installed. However, since snap makes the filesystem readonly, I can't copy the data in, either. Why was the data not installed to begin with?
[14:22] <processwatch> @jjakob, does xrandr -q show a dvi-i-2?
[14:22] <processwatch> @jjavaholic_, does xrandr -q show a dvi-i-2?
[14:23] <jjavaholic_> as disconected, but yes it does
[14:24] <processwatch> I don't think you can change the settings of disconnected devices.
[14:25] <jjavaholic_> it is connected though but shows as greyed out once I checked with arandr
[14:26] <processwatch> Try 'xrandr --output dvi-i-2 --auto'
[14:27] <ogra> processwatch, snap packages that ony exist in the edge channel are most likely still in active packaging development ...
[14:27] <processwatch> ogra, where are snap bugs tracked?
[14:27] <ogra> there are some hints in the description though ...
[14:28] <ogra> they are tracked by their maintainers individually
[14:28] <jjavaholic_> warning: output dvi-i-2 not found; ignoring is the response to xrandr --output dvi-i-2 --auto
[14:29] <processwatch> The description talks about extensions, not data.
[14:29] <ogra> (and seems this maintainer did not put a contact or bug address in ... else you would see it on the website on snapcraft.io)
[14:29] <ogra> you could start a thread on forum.snapcraft.io in the snap category ...
[14:29] <processwatch> jjavaholic_, did you try unplugging and plugging it back in? ;)
[14:31] <ogra> processwatch, google to the rescue :) https://github.com/t4saha/celestia-snap/issues
[14:33] <processwatch> ogra, thanks, but the strange thing is I'm pretty sure this used to work (in the previous few months), and that repo says it hasn't changed since 2020.
[14:34] <ogra> processwatch, well, the latest snap is from this month ... (11 days old)
[14:35] <ogra> it seems to be using an auto-build of the upstream git .... so likely something upstream changed but the packaging was not adjusted
[14:38] <processwatch> ogra, I think I'll give up on using snap and compile it myself.
[14:39] <ogra> processwatch, as you like, though it would be nice of you to file an issue so the maintainer is aware 🙂
[15:02] <jjavaholic> here is the output from xrandr --verbose: https://pastebin.com/txDQxBLN
[15:04] <nunya> how do I disable mouse cursor animation? For example when editing a video in Avidemux and using the slider to advance the video forward there will be a clock or spinning wheel no matter what cursor theme I chooe in tweaks
[15:06] <nunya> I have google and found no results regarding the cursor animations. I disabled animations in settings with gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface enable-animations false but that didn't do anything with the cursor animation. I logged out and back in. Nothing changed
[15:11] <zteam> Hi all, does anybody here knows how to list the max capacity / limit from a wireless network card? (not just the speed of the current connection) ?
[15:11] <nunya> leftyfb: I solved yesterday's question regarding alphabetizing desktop icons and auto arrange by using nemo-desktop instead of native desktop manager. I installed dash to dock to move menu button to left bottom aligned dock. It also has a nice feature for when I'm only using the laptod display instead of my large monitor. It lets you scroll if there are a lot of "favorites" on the dock. I couldn't get Ubuntu's native dock to do that.
[15:12] <nunya> Icons would be all cluttered and stacked on top of each other with native dock
[15:16] <nunya> never mind for now about cursor animation problem. It only seems to be happening in Avidemux scrollbars. I noticed while scrolling up and down in hexchat to see old messaes tha it didn't animate.
[15:18] <zteam> nunya, not sure if I read your question correctly since I just joined but an application can change the mouse cursor to indicate that the application is processing some data, I don't think there is any way to prevent that, you could try to change to a different cursor theme, but I doubt it will help
[15:21] <nunya> zteam:  yeah I've already tried every cursor theme that came installed with ubuntu 20.04 As per your question try https://linuxhint.com/check-nic-card-speed-linux/
[15:22] <processwatch> ogra, I think the device names are case-sensitive. Try DVI-I-2 instead of dvi-i-2.
[15:27] <nunya> zteam: I've discovered that the cursor animation is only happening in avidemux. I am going to check avidemux configs to see if anything obvious is in there about the mouse.
[15:29] <nunya> zteam: Hopefully I pointed you in the right direction for dtermining max speed of your network card. I quickly scanned the content but didn't read in depth. Good luck!
[15:30] <zteam> nunya, oh my bad, yeah check the settings in avidemux first I readed to quickly, as a last resort you could try editing the cursor theme if you really wanted to, and if you find the clock there replace it with the the regular icon for your mouse pointer, but that's a really clunky workaround
[15:36] <zteam> nunya, well, that's the weird thing, none of those commands is able to tell me anything about the nice on this card :p
[15:38] <nunya> zteam: sorry man, hope I didn't waste your time
[15:40] <zteam> nunya, no you didn't, while it didn't work, in my case it did produce a an error message, that I can google around for, so it was still helpful :D
[15:56] <xboxbml> hey all.. I've got home built windows PC in which i threw an old spinner drive i had laying around and installed Ubuntu 21.04 i think some time ago, and let it sit for a while unused. Fired it up and it wanted to upgrade to 21.10 so i let it..  I just today decided to give it a whirl on the PC dual booted to the Ubuntu
[15:56] <xboxbml>  21.10 with Wine 7.. It actually works! I think it has something to do with having an actual video card in it.. unlike the VM. I had to go down to iTunes 12.4.3(arbitrarily selected this older version).. as the latest version would not work. black screen and only some characters visible on screen. HD videos will not display though.. itunes wants a monitor that's either built in or supports HDCP.. I had it connected to DVI monitor
[15:56] <xboxbml>  when installed and run.. I disconnected and connected HDMI monitor but still says same thing.. I'm waiting for this movie download to finish then will reboot with HDMI monitor connected to see if that changes anything.. Anythoughts on this setup?
[15:59] <leftyfb> !wine | xboxbml
[16:04] <zteam> xboxbml, while I never tried (and have no reason to try it) myself, I know PlayOnLinux (and problably PlayOnMac) does have an installer for iTunes, maybe winetricks have an installer for that too
[16:05] <xboxbml> no, i got it working with dry wine. 7
[16:07] <xboxbml> the issue is it won't play HD movies..
[16:07] <leftyfb> xboxbml: movies you purchased?
[16:07] <leftyfb> ... on itunes
[16:09] <xboxbml> right
[16:09] <xboxbml> i'm just now rebooting
[16:09] <xboxbml> with HDMI monitor connected
[16:10] <zteam> xboxbml, it could be due to some missing dll-files (while wine has replacement for many of those, some arent implemented yet), try launching wine from a terminal, and look for error messages
[16:10] <leftyfb> xboxbml: I use moviesanywhere.com. Tie your itunes account to it and then amazon, vimeo or google play and any movies you bought/buy on one service are then added to all the rest. This would let you watch all the movies you bought through itunes to play through your browser on amazon, google or vimeo
[16:11] <xboxbml> really.. i've never heard of that..
[16:12] <xboxbml> i thought itunes movies were an itunes/idevice/mac only thing..
[16:12] <leftyfb> yeah, it blows my mind that it works. I just bought the new Spiderman movie on itunes the other day and I now own it on all the rest of the services as well
[16:12] <xboxbml> that's why i've been playing around with linux vm's on my mac.. to try and see if i can move from mac/windows..
[16:12] <zteam> xboxbml, also you could try to configure wine to simulate it a separate screen instead, that might help
[16:13] <xboxbml> lots of $ invested in things apple..
[16:13] <leftyfb> xboxbml: give the service a try. This day and age there's really almost no reason to ever use itunes on a PC
[16:14] <leftyfb> especially trying to get it to work in wine, which historically it hasn't
[16:14] <xboxbml> yeah well.. i believe in having all my stuff locally and not having to stream everything..
[16:15] <leftyfb> xboxbml: then you might want to look at something like Plex and not rely on apple for such things.
[16:16] <zteam> xboxbml, try winecfg from terminal and select emulate virutal desktop and set the resolution of the virtual desktop to the same as your desktop resolution
[16:18] <xboxbml> well, it seems that with the HDMI monitor connected itunes in wine still will not play in HD
[16:18] <xboxbml> as it thinks monitor does not support HDCP
[16:19] <xboxbml> not sure if it's a video card driver in ubuntu that's the issue.. i would think would work..
[16:19] <leftyfb> !wine | xboxbml
[16:19] <leftyfb> xboxbml: you should really /join #winehq   for help with applications running in Wine.
[16:20] <xboxbml> yes i have.. i know what wine is..
[16:20] <xboxbml> i just thought someone here may have seen something like this before and i thought maybe it was an ubuntu video driver issue
[16:24] <zteam> xboxbml, you could try installing the native drivers for your video card if you haven't already (and make sure you use the most recent drivers, if that doesn't help I would check what happens if you launch the same movie with from Windows (connected to the same mointor)
[16:24] <xboxbml> it's n AMD Radeon HD 7800 card..
[16:24] <xboxbml> has 2 miniDP, DVI, and HDMI outputs
[16:25] <zteam> xboxbml, okey, so do you have the proprioarity drivers installed ? :-)
[16:27] <xboxbml> hmm.. so i booted windows with dvi monitor installed and same issue.. won't play HD..same coomplaint.. wants HDCP monitor connected..
[16:28] <xboxbml> maybe i've never played HD movies on that machine before...can't remember
[16:30] <zteam> xbox, you might be able to get around that with a HDCP striper, but I think it will reduce quality a bit
[16:30] <xboxbml> ok.. it works connected to HDMI on windows 10
[16:31] <xboxbml> so i'm guessing i'd need some sort of updated driver for ubuntu for this video card?
[16:32] <zteam> xboxbml, search for driver in gnome-shells search bar go to additional drivers and check if you are using the driver it suggests there :-)
[16:33] <xboxbml> fyi...i'm VERY new to Linux/Ubuntu....please don't assume i know things...sorry..
[16:35] <zteam> xboxbml, okey click on the nine squares in the downside of the left corner and type drivers in the search bar
[16:35] <zteam> :-)
[16:35] <xboxbml> thank you for all your help/input...i really do appreciate your efforts!
[16:36] <xboxbml> well, hang on.. i gotta reboot into ubuntu
[16:41] <xboxbml> says no proprietary drivers in use.. and no additional drivers available in the middle of window..
[16:42] <pi___> Does anybody know of a tool where I can download all the files in a directory
[16:42] <pi___> from a web server.  it's hosting like 2000 ROM files and they're very small downloads, but I want to download them ALL at once
[16:46] <pi___> ls
[16:47] <xboxbml> zteam-any other suggestions? i'm assuming this is a driver issue regarding HDCP support
[16:48] <oneone> install otr  ->  CHANEL GOGOGIRLS or TITANIUM-GOLDSTAR
[16:49] <oneone> apt-get install hexchat-otr
[16:49] <jhutchins> pi___: Yes.
[16:49] <jhutchins> pi___: Then again, it depends on the web site.
[16:50] <oneone> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off-the-Record_Messaging
[16:51] <zteam> xboxbml, okey, does it list your graphics card correctly? if it does to go to software for ubuntu and check make sure all checkboxes are selected it should prompt you to refresh or update (basically saying it wants to search for updates again)
[16:52] <oneone> mumble
[16:52] <xboxbml> i'm sorry, but where would it list my graphics card?
[16:53] <oneone> lspci
[16:53] <xboxbml> when i searched on additional drivers and clicked on that, the software and updates window came up under additional drivers tab and nothing is in there
[16:53] <zteam> xboxbml, it should display the name of your grahpcis card under additional drivers (unless you are using some kind of virtual machine, like VMware or Virtualbox
[16:54] <oneone> lspci | grep vga
[16:55] <xboxbml> this is on a real AMD mb machine with that AMD Radeon HD 7800 card on it..
[16:55] <zteam> ubottu, !list
[16:58] <zteam> ubottu, binarydrivers
[17:00] <xboxbml> zteam-made mistake it's an ASRock MB 990FX Extreme4
[17:01] <xboxbml> i'm in hardinfo and graphics shows as 1920x1200 (Unknown) The X.Org Foundation
[17:08] <zteam> xboxbml, umm, according to this page that's your motherboard and that doesn't seem to have any graphics unit built-in, if you are running ubuntu from some sort of virtual machine, you need specific drivers for that, if not, i'm not sure why hardinfo can't tell you which grahpics card you are using
[17:12] <zteam> xboxbml, reading your intial question again you state that you are using a VM, so refer to documentation for that particular VM, if you want to try to upgrade those drivers :-)
[17:13] <xboxbml> as i said.. it's got an AMD Radeon HD 7800 card in the slot..
[17:13] <xboxbml> this is a real ubuntu machine..
[17:14] <xboxbml> not vm
[17:14] <xboxbml> hardinfo shows this
[17:19] <xboxbml> Display
[17:19] <xboxbml> Resolution	1920x1200 pixels
[17:19] <xboxbml> OpenGL Renderer	(Unknown)
[17:19] <xboxbml> X11 Vendor	The X.Org Foundation
[17:32] <oerheks> radeon 7800 is supported by the openradeon driver, not AMDgpu, AFAIK
[17:32] <oerheks> so it works OOTB
[17:35] <zteam> oerheks, , is it only or is this community gudides for the radeon drivers not very outdated? (I couldm
[17:35] <zteam> oerheks, , is it only or is this community gudides for the radeon drivers not very outdated? (I couldn
[17:37] <zteam> oerheks, , is it only or is this community gudides for the radeon drivers not very outdated? (I couldn't find any recent docs about how to install the propripartiy driver on recent ubuntu releases). or for which cards the opensource drivers works
[17:43] <zteam> oerheks, also shouln't the hardifon and similair tools be able to print the name of the card correctly if the right drivers are in use ? (not that I know exactly which tools it relies on to gather this data but)
[17:57] <nunya> I have a dual boot computer Ubuntu and Windows. I know Windows sucks! I still need it for a bunch of Sony Acid Projects I have 15 years worth of them. I haven't been able to get it to run under Wine. All that stuff was to head off any complaints that I have Windows on my system. Now for the question. How do I locate files on my Windows partition from Ubuntu. I have tried locate -i "file". I have tried cd / locate "file" thinking that
[17:57] <nunya> would search the whole computer. It found a file with same name on Linux partition but not the one on the Windows partition. Everything I google about it tells me how to find my Linux partition, which I already know.
[17:59] <zteam> nunya, usually you can use just browse your windows volumes with Nautilus (gnomes file manager and search for your files from there)
[18:00] <nunya> zteam:I use nemo and I tried that. It still won't search the files on the Windows partition
[18:01] <nunya> zteam: I will try Nautilus
[18:01] <goddard> does kubuntu have a setting to have similar apps be the same window as tabs?
[18:03] <oneone> bfbs beats
[18:03] <zteam> nunya, also stopping to use Windows just becuase some people is complaining about you using Windows might not be a good idea, if you depend on a lot of software from Windows
[18:03] <zteam> :-)
[18:04] <nunya> zteam: it will find folders if I'm in the directoryt that coantain them. I need a recursive search of the whole computer Ubuntu partition and Windows partition.
[18:04] <zteam> nunya, searching filenames that way works great for me (of course if you can't even browse these files correctly you need to start  from there
[18:06] <nunya> zteam Nutilus wouldn't search for individual files unless I already have the folder that contains them open. If I knew which folder conatained the file I wouldn't need to search for it.
[18:07] <oneone> ck.ubuntu.com   not autho.
[18:07] <oneone> get req
[18:07] <nunya> I was hoping for command line locate -i (whatever other option need to search whole computer)
[18:07] <xboxbml> well, i've found a driver update process i believe for AMD Radeo graphics cards
[18:09] <oneone> Ubuntu ai computing
[18:10] <xboxbml> we'll see how this goes..
[18:10] <zteam> nunya, if those volumes is mountable so you can browse them, searching like this should work just fine (but don't use wildcard eg * then searching)
[18:10] <ZombyWoof> In Ubuntu Studio my monitor keeps put to sleep, I don't want that. I tried disabling this function at the power manager -> display, but no luck so far. Sugestions are welcome.
[18:11] <nunya> zteam: Actually I was wrong. The filename had some underscores that I thought were space. Nautilus was able to locate the file from top directory when I had the underscores in file name.
[18:14] <oerheks> xboxbml, no, openradeon is in the kernel now. any other download can give issues
[18:14] <xboxbml> so then HDCP is not supported?
[18:20] <oerheks> i guess not?
[18:20] <oerheks> that would make it too easy to stream, illegally
[18:21] <Maik> ZombyWoof: what version?
[18:22] <Maik> test__: connection issues?
[18:24] <zteam> xboxbml, I guess implementing HDCP into an opensource driver is pretty hard, the information neccesariy to implement such a feature probably isn't open to find anywhere public about how that stuff works
[18:24] <Maik> test__: please fix your connection
[18:28] <oneone> Olieghtcomputing
[18:28] <oneone> #Olieghtcomputing
[18:29] <xboxbml> zteam-I guess so.. it doesn't seem to work still.. i'm guessing i did something wrong.. i dunno... i think i give up for now..
[18:29] <xboxbml> at least i know this mac works fine..
[18:30] <oneone> #Oliegthcomputing  #GOGOGIRLS  #TITANIUM-GOLDSTAR
[18:30] <ZombyWoof> ubuntu studio 20.04 that's with xfce
[18:31] <Maik> ZombyWoof: check the screensaver settings
[18:32] <Maik> oneone: mind stop that please, you're in a Ubuntu support channel
[18:32] <oneone> mike hihi
[18:33] <ZombyWoof> Yes, I'm pretty sure the screensaver is the problem here. Thank for pointing out!
[18:33] <xboxbml> zteam-others-thanks for the input!
[18:33] <Maik> oneone: if you just want to chit chat then please go to the offtopic channel
[18:33] <xboxbml> i'm out for now
[18:33] <zteam> xboxbml, I don't know whetever its possible to watch your iTunes movies from the web, if that's the case you can try to use google chrome just to rule out any issues with Wome
[18:33] <Maik> !ot | oneone
[18:33] <zteam> wine *
[18:34] <oneone> wine *
[18:34] <Maik> !ops | oneone keeps misbehaving
[18:35] <zteam> Maik, that user is an obvious spammer he will not stop until some bans him
[18:35] <zteam> :-)
[18:36] <Maik> hence why i called for the ops. And now back to support
[18:37] <zteam> Maik, yep, saw that right after I send my comment :-)
[18:37] <oerheks> oneone, keep this channel free for ubuntu support. thanks.
[18:38] <oem> s
[18:38] <oem> sa
[18:38] <oem> kimse yokmu la :D
[18:39] <oerheks> !ot | oem
[18:39] <Maik> oem: do you have a Ubuntu support question?
[18:39] <oem> no
[18:39] <Maik> then please read the above and go to offtopic
[18:40] <Maik> :)
[18:41] <Mathisen> https://lubuntu.me/ is the offical lubuntu homepgae right ?
[18:42] <Maik> Mathisen: yes
[18:43] <Mathisen> hmmm strange did download the 20.04.4 LTS version from there to use on an old laptop i found but when installing it it says it is 18.10
[18:44] <oerheks> you probably clicked the wrong iso
[18:44] <Mathisen> i did not
[18:44] <oerheks> https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/
[18:44] <Mathisen> the iso is even named right
[18:44] <Maik> 18.10 shouldn't be on there
[18:45] <oerheks> try again?
[18:45] <Mathisen> maybe yeah. was just curius if it was the right site
[18:45] <Maik> Mathisen: did you verify the iso's checksum?
[18:45] <Mathisen> Maik, nope
[18:45] <Maik> alway do that
[18:45] <Mathisen> i just downloaded and the dd it to my usb
[18:46] <Maik> make sure the checksum matches before flashing it to usb
[18:46] <Mathisen> Malin, sure you supose to but how many realy do that... ofc people that use it for work does it but not many else
[18:46] <oerheks> doubtfull we serve the wrong iso, download again, good luck!
[18:47] <Maik> isos can get corrupted Mathisen so....
[18:47] <Mathisen> i know
[18:47] <Mathisen> this is not my first rodeo
[18:47] <Mathisen> i will oerheks and thanks
[18:47] <Maik> well then, good luck
[18:55] <Mathisen> well here is the proof > https://i.imgur.com/wfDORA7.png
[18:56] <Mathisen> cheksum is right, iso is right, but splash screen shows 18.10
[19:01] <Maik> Mathisen: then it's something the lubuntu team didn't pay attention to, contact them
[19:03] <oerheks> still i doubt. just downloaded it, and it is oke.
[19:04] <Mathisen> if that is the case oerheks im realy confused... im realy am telling the truth here not after any drama.
[19:05] <Maik> Mathisen: have a look in #lubuntu and see if someone of the team is there to confirm
[19:05] <oerheks> i took direct download, not the magnet link. also try the cdimage site.
[19:07] <TheSituation> #fedora
[19:11] <oneone> where can i find a e musk filter in ubuntu ?  :-)
[19:12] <krytarik> oneone: I suggest you don't follow this pattern anymore right now.
[19:13] <oerheks> what is a e musk filter?
[19:14] <krytarik> No idea either, but..
[19:15] <lucas-arg> dont we have a plain gnome ubuntu=
[19:15] <lucas-arg> ??
[19:15] <oerheks> i know.. it is saturday support :-D
[19:15] <oerheks> lucas-arg, plain?
[19:15] <oerheks> ubuntu desktop is gnome3
[19:16] <lucas-arg> plain gnome
[19:16] <oerheks> it is ..
[19:16] <Eickmeyer[m]> lucas-arg: sudo apt install vanilla-gnome-desktop
[19:16] <lucas-arg> thanks
[20:10] <pycurious> My ubuntu machine just freezes its X at times and then stops to respond. After that I've to power it off and power it back on (When it turns to clean up the SSD etc). I've run memory tests on it - and no errors there. Any ideas on how to debug such an issue?
[20:11] <tomreyn> switch to tty when it seems to freeze, login and check error logs, or check them after reboot
[20:12] <pycurious> tomreyn: When it freezes, no tty, no ssh - just frozen.
[20:12] <tomreyn> so check logs after reboot
[20:13] <pycurious> tomreyn: syslog?
[20:13] <tomreyn> journalctl -eb -1
[20:16] <pycurious> tomreyn: Current time is 4:14. Journalctl -eb -1 shows 12:55:59 as the last line - is that normal? I see some programs connecting/disconnecting….nothing of an error…do i need to scroll long back from the last line of journalctl -eb -1?
[20:17] <pycurious> tomreyn: I dont see any serious errors in that command
[20:18] <tomreyn> -b -1 makes it show the previous runtime's log.. -e places the viewer at the end of what was logged. so no scrolling should be needed, and you should see the last logs that were recorded for the previous runtime.
[20:18] <tomreyn> journalctl --list-boots    shows when boots were recorded
[20:19] <tomreyn> which ubuntu release are you running?
[20:20] <tomreyn> pycurious: ^ and which kernel version and desktop?
[20:20] <pycurious> 20.04 lts.
[20:21] <pycurious> kernel = 5.13.0-35-generic. I installed ubuntu-desktop and run startx to start X
[20:23] <tomreyn> it is unusual that you have nothing logged there for ~ 3h20m
[20:55] <lucas-arg> got a problem, trying to run nvidia 510 with Wayland, installed libnvidia-egl-wayland1 and added nvidia-drm.modeset=1 to kernel paramenters and still cant load nvidia with wayland
[20:55] <lucas-arg> any ideas on how to load drm in ubuntu 20.04??
[20:56] <lucas-arg> or at least run nvidia with wayland?
[21:05] <Guest43> Hi, is this a good place to ask for advise on an OS issue/bug?
[21:07] <goddard> im trying to use my fingerprint sensor and it doesn't wanna work
[21:07] <goddard> it connects after the second swipe
[21:07] <goddard> disconnects
[21:07] <goddard> any ideas?
[21:08] <tomreyn> Guest43: it's worth a try, this is the ubuntu support channel
[21:10] <Guest43> I updated from 20.04 to 22.04 via command line and now I'm stuck with a black screen. I'm afraid this might be an unrecoverable situation. Is there any ways to revert the update?
[21:11] <tomreyn> there is not. also, there is no supported upgrade path to unreleased ubuntu versions
[21:11] <tomreyn> !next
[21:11] <Guest43> So I have no choice but to reinstall...
[21:13] <tomreyn> unless you know how to recover from this situation or can convince someone to help you with it, that's probably so.
[21:14] <Guest43> Right.
[22:05] <Maximalist> whats the command to see your internal bluetooth device?
[22:08] <Bashing-om> Maximalist: ' lspci -nnk ' ?
[22:12] <Maximalist> thank you
[22:51] <winds0r> hello world
[22:52] <junebug> hello winds0r
[22:52] <winds0r> how are you, friend ?
[23:10] <ubuntu-mate> i hope there are no niggers in this chat
[23:11] <rob0> haha, nice bot
[23:12] <rob0> and a stupid troll!
[23:12] <junebug> Whoa
[23:49] <webchat68> What are some good alternatives to rsync?
[23:51] <matsaman> webchat68: for what purpose?
[23:52] <rob0> rsync is a very nice tool for what it does, why do you not want to use it?
[23:53] <webchat68> I want to use it, but CIS compliance won't let me
[23:54] <matsaman> webchat68: why not?
[23:54] <webchat68> "it uses unencrypted protocols for communication"
[23:54] <rob0> uh, by default it uses ssh
[23:55] <rob0> people making decisions about technology they don't understand :(
[23:55] <webchat68> if network is not required, a simple firewall rule would help?
[23:56] <codez> webchat68: https://github.com/gokrazy/rsync
[23:57] <codez> yeah just setup tailscale
[23:57] <webchat68> codez cool
[23:58] <codez> https://forum.tailscale.com/t/rsync-over-ssh-slow/210/3
[23:59] <codez> "Also… a tailscale ip address can’t be usable for rsync jobs at the startup of the server because the os run too late the tailscale service therefore the script that run at the boot can’t find any tailscale ip and the scheduled job is not executed."
[23:59] <codez> I'm sure your able to just manually start it though, not sure if fix has been found, I've never really had to use rsync


[00:55] <wallyworld_> axw: hey, with your race fix PR - would it be simpler just to have each test start/stop workers explicitly rather than mess with setup/teardown
[01:02] <axw> wallyworld_: TBH I don't think we really need to duplicate the tests for each permutation. I'd rather fix the dependencies in the long term, and do the easy fix for now
[01:03] <wallyworld_> ok, maybe add a TODO
[01:13] <axw> wallyworld_: done
[01:13] <wallyworld_> ta
[02:01] <axw> wallyworld_: did I miss anything in standup? I've got PRs up for GCE and OpenStack to use volume attachment AZs in StartInstance now, will move on to PrecheckInstance if there's nothing release-related I should be looking at
[02:03] <wallyworld_> axw: we're waiting on a new CI test run with resource limits fixed so we can see where we stand. So right now, nothing that warrants attention (but that might change) We want to release Thursday. I saw the PRs, will look soon
[02:03] <axw> wallyworld_: okey dokey
[03:04]  * axw screams into a pillow
[03:04] <axw> ci failures driving me crazy
[03:04] <veebers> axw: which failure is giving you grief?
[03:05] <axw> veebers: mostly grant and windows
[03:05] <axw> veebers: and mostly mongo stuff on windows
[03:05] <axw> if not only
[03:06] <veebers> ah right :-\
[03:07] <veebers> axw: I might get a chance today to look at why grant is so flaky, see how it might be fixed
[03:07] <axw> veebers: that would be wonderful, thanks. I know you're busy though
[03:08] <axw> I intend to see what we can do to either cut mongo out of windows tests, or see if they can be made more robust
[03:08] <axw> but features
[04:44] <wallyworld_> babbageclunk: have you looked at assess_log_forward.py ?
[04:45] <wallyworld_> that Ci test should have deets on how to set stuff up
[04:45] <babbageclunk> wallyworld_: ooh, no - I'm trying the charm at the moment to see how that does it. Looking at the test now.
[04:46] <babbageclunk> wallyworld_: thanks
[06:29] <rogpeppe> wpk: ping
[06:29] <wpk> pong
[06:29] <rogpeppe> wpk: i just took a look at https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7414
[06:30] <rogpeppe> wpk: i think that returning the original error is fine, but there should definitely not be a warning there
[06:30] <wpk> rogpeppe: Ian merged it already, I wanted for you to take a look at it as that's your change
[06:30] <wpk> Why no warning?
[06:30] <rogpeppe> wpk: because that situation happens all the time and it's normal
[06:31] <rogpeppe> wpk: we don't want people to see warnings all the time - it makes them worried :)
[06:31] <wpk> rogpeppe: the warning is issued only if both methods fail
[06:31] <wpk> rogpeppe: (and the connection fails)
[06:33] <rogpeppe> wpk: hmm, i guess it's not that common to get a cert error then another error. i still don't think it's worth a warning though.
[06:34] <rogpeppe> wpk: i think i'd put it at info level
[06:34] <wpk> rogpeppe: but the connection fails
[06:34] <rogpeppe> wpk: not necessarily
[06:34] <rogpeppe> wpk: there can be many concurrent dial instances
[06:34] <rogpeppe> wpk: and if it's the only reason it fails, we'll display the returned error anyway
[06:35] <wpk> but the returned error is half of the story
[06:36] <rogpeppe> wpk: yeah, but i can't see that mattering much unless you're trying to debug, and in that case you can see Info or Debug level messages easily
[06:37] <rogpeppe> wpk: i'm wary of unnecessary warnings
[06:37] <rogpeppe> wpk: oh yes, and also line 705 already logs the returned error, so we'll be logging the same error twice
[06:39] <rogpeppe> wpk: i'd suggest changing line 746 to: logger.Debugf("failed to connect to websocket with public cert after private cert failed: %v", rootCAErr)
[06:44] <rogpeppe> wpk: i'm particularly wary of extra warning messages because they're a common source of bug reports
[07:46] <wpk> rogpeppe logger.Debugf("Failed dialing websocket using fallback public CA - %q", rootCAErr
[07:46] <wpk> rogpeppe: looks OK?
[07:47] <rogpeppe> wpk: usually we prefix errors with a colon
[07:48] <rogpeppe> wpk: and i think "failed to dial" reads a bit better that "failed dialing"
[07:48] <rogpeppe> wpk: i'm never sure whether log messages should start with a capital letter or not...
[07:49] <wpk> logger.Debugf("Failed to dial websocket using fallback public CA: %v", rootCAErr)
[07:50] <rogpeppe> wpk: SGTM, but i'd probably use lower case "failed" as 90% of debug messages start with lower case
[07:51] <rogpeppe> wpk: thanks
[07:55] <wpk> rogpeppe: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7416
[07:56] <rogpeppe> wpk: LGTM
[08:34] <SimonKLB> is it possible to run setup the controller and a worker on the same machine using manual provisioning?
[08:35] <SimonKLB> im just setting up a poc on a single machine right now, but id like to have the possibility to scale out to two machines later on
[08:35] <SimonKLB> using the localhost controller will bind me to a single machine right?
[08:45] <axw> SimonKLB: you can deploy applications to the controller machine. just bootstrap, then switch to the controller model ("juju switch controller"), and then deploy the app with "--to 0" to place the application unit on machine 0
[08:55] <SimonKLB> axw: ah of course :) thanks
[09:09] <SimonKLB> there seem to be some problems installing a snap-based charm in lxd, the mount unit fails
[09:09] <SimonKLB> is this a known limitation?
[09:10] <SimonKLB> May 30 09:07:02 juju-222327-0-lxd-0 mount[10844]: fusermount: mount failed: Operation not permitted
[09:49] <rogpeppe> axw: if you're still around, i need a second review of https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7407
[09:50] <rogpeppe> jam: ^
[09:51] <jam> SimonKLB: snaps and lxd have some known caveats regardless of juju and charms
[09:51] <jam> SimonKLB: I don't remember exactly, it may be that you can install user-space mounting tools and get it to work
[09:51] <jam> SimonKLB: https://stgraber.org/2016/12/07/running-snaps-in-lxd-containers/
[09:51] <jam> SimonKLB: seems you need 'squashfuse' ?
[09:54] <SimonKLB> jam: https://bugs.launchpad.net/snappy/+bug/1611078
[09:54] <mup> Bug #1611078: Support snaps inside of lxd containers <landscape> <lxd> <nova-lxd> <verification-failed-xenial> <Snappy:Fix Released by stgraber> <apparmor (Ubuntu):Fix Released by tyhicks> <linux (Ubuntu):Fix Released by jjohansen> <lxd (Ubuntu):Fix Released by stgraber> <apparmor (Ubuntu
[09:54] <mup> Xenial):Fix Released by tyhicks> <linux (Ubuntu Xenial):Fix Released by jjohansen> <lxd (Ubuntu Xenial):Fix Committed> <apparmor (Ubuntu Yakkety):Fix Released
[09:54] <mup> by tyhicks> <linux (Ubuntu Yakkety):Fix Released by jjohansen> <lxd (Ubuntu Yakkety):Fix Released by stgraber> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1611078>
[09:54] <SimonKLB> it got fixed but then it hit a new (?) issue
[09:55] <SimonKLB> this guy seem to have hit the exact same thing as i have https://bugs.launchpad.net/snappy/+bug/1611078/comments/29
[09:55] <mup> Bug #1611078: Support snaps inside of lxd containers <landscape> <lxd> <nova-lxd> <verification-failed-xenial> <Snappy:Fix Released by stgraber> <apparmor (Ubuntu):Fix Released by tyhicks> <linux (Ubuntu):Fix Released by jjohansen> <lxd (Ubuntu):Fix Released by stgraber> <apparmor (Ubuntu
[09:55] <mup> Xenial):Fix Released by tyhicks> <linux (Ubuntu Xenial):Fix Released by jjohansen> <lxd (Ubuntu Xenial):Fix Committed> <apparmor (Ubuntu Yakkety):Fix Released
[09:55] <mup> by tyhicks> <linux (Ubuntu Yakkety):Fix Released by jjohansen> <lxd (Ubuntu Yakkety):Fix Released by stgraber> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1611078>
[09:56] <jam> SimonKLB: is that after installing squashfuse?
[10:00] <SimonKLB> jam: nope :) that fixed it
[10:00] <SimonKLB> probably need to add that to the snap layer
[10:00] <jam> SimonKLB: you only need squashfuse inside lxd
[10:00] <jam> so snaps on VM/baremetal don't need it
[10:01] <SimonKLB> jam: right, so what would be the correct way to fix it? determine where the charm is deployed and install squashfuse if it's in lxd?
[10:02] <jam> SimonKLB: its an unfortunate leaky abstraction, and I don't have a great answer for it. charms generally shouldn't know where they are installed, but maybe occasionally they have to
[10:02] <SimonKLB> jam: agreed
[10:02] <jam> *juju* shouldn't care that a charm uses snaps, etc
[10:03] <jam> SimonKLB: if anything, I would tend to say that 'snapd' should know its in a container and depend on squashfuse
[10:04] <SimonKLB> jam: yea, could this perhaps be fixed using profiles?
[10:04] <jam> SimonKLB: or maybe, since the default ubuntu images come for lxd have snapd installed, then they should have squashfuse installed as well
[10:04] <SimonKLB> jam: i think that would be the most straight forward fix
[10:05] <SimonKLB> since snap is pretty useless in lxd, the lxd image should have squashfuse installed
[10:05] <jam> (caveat that there is a push to have 1 'pristine' Ubuntu build, that then gets used for MAAS/LXD, etc)
[10:05] <SimonKLB> pretty useless without squashfuse that is
[10:05] <jam> SimonKLB: yeah, I agree that snaps in lxd without squashfuse just don't work
[10:05] <jam> SimonKLB: I think it is "known", I'm not sure who/where they should be working on it.
[10:05] <SimonKLB> jam: any idea where to propose this addition to the lxd images?
[10:05] <SimonKLB> ah
[10:06] <jam> SimonKLB: so, file a bug, tell me about it, and I'll raise it to some people
[10:06] <SimonKLB> is there a repo or something like that for the images?
[10:06] <SimonKLB> or where should it be filed
[10:06] <jam> SimonKLB: if anything I would raise it against Snappy in Ubuntu
[10:06] <SimonKLB> okok!
[10:06] <jam> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd
[10:07] <SimonKLB> snappy or snapd? :D
[10:07] <jam> they can always add other projects to it
[10:07] <SimonKLB> right
[10:07] <jam> well 'snapcraft'/ building snaps doesn't need it, I think
[10:07] <jam> I don't know snappy vs snapd very well
[10:07] <jam> snapcraft being the user tools, and something being the snap store, etc.
[10:08] <SimonKLB> me neither :) ill report it in snapd and someone that knows better can re-label it perhaps
[10:11] <SimonKLB> jam: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1694411
[10:11] <mup> Bug #1694411: Add squashfuse to the Ubuntu LXD images <snapd (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1694411>
[10:11] <jam> SimonKLB: thanks, will add some people
[10:11] <SimonKLB> great!
[11:13] <SimonKLB> got everything installed for a basic kubernetes install on manual provisioned lxd containers except etcd
[11:13] <SimonKLB> ERROR cannot add application "etcd": cannot deploy to machine 0/lxd/6: adding storage to lxd container not supported
[11:13] <SimonKLB> :(
[11:14] <SimonKLB> is this a WIP?
[11:35] <SimonKLB> turns out this only applies when you use the --to flag when deploying a charm
[11:35] <SimonKLB> https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/635d98d8cb34e0124f1baf1aa3baec2e28511a64/state/unit.go#L1496
[12:22] <jam> SimonKLB: axw is in Perth, Australia whose been working on storage, but AIUI we don't support custom storage on LXD provider yet, I'm not sure whether the bundle is trying to supply something custom that we don't support, or whether we just have a bug where we're trying storage when it isn't requested
[12:24] <SimonKLB> jam: looking at that line i linked to it seems that the storage is only validated when you deploy using the --to flag to do a specific machine assignment
[12:24] <SimonKLB> wasn't a problem deploying etcd without --to
[12:25] <SimonKLB> should probably validated it a bit less strict though, since persistent storage isnt a requirement of etcd, just an option
[13:24] <rogpeppe> jam: ping
[13:45] <rogpeppe> jam: i've replied to your concerns voiced in https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7407 - i'd be interested to have a chat about it if you have a moment at some point
[13:46] <jam> rogpeppe: hey, I'm mostly at the end of my day, can we do something more when you come online tomorrow? Should be middle of my day
[13:46] <rogpeppe> jam: i'd really love to be able to get the next PR up for review today - it's been too long already
[13:46] <rogpeppe> jam: but i can't propose it until this one lands
[13:47] <rogpeppe> jam: but if your day's finished, then not much we can do i guess
[13:50] <jam> rogpeppe: so i think we can talk more about whether we want a dns cache, but that doesn't have to block this code landing
[13:50] <jam> I don't think you've made anything worse, as long as the next PR wouldn't be unhinged if we removed it all
[13:51] <rogpeppe> jam: ok, cool. if you could LGTM it with that caveat, that would be great, thanks
[13:51] <jam> done
[13:52] <jam> rogpeppe: found an interesting performance bug
[13:52] <wpk> yay, another dumb Windows-only unit test error fixed!
[13:52] <jam> rogpeppe: txn.Resume ends up being quadratic on the number of txns to resume at least when they are all on the same doc
[13:52] <rogpeppe> jam: ha, i'm not too surprised
[13:53] <jam> interestingly, cpuprofile says we spend 5.5s/10s in token.id() which parses the token string into a ObjectId
[13:53] <jam> and those numbers are also quadratic
[13:54] <jam> for 10 entries, we make 316 calls, for 400 entries we make 402,601 calls
[13:54] <jam> for 800 entries, 1,605,201 calls
[13:55] <jam> thats a lot of short-lived strincgs and hex parsing
[13:55] <wpk> Q: if you'd see DialOpts{Total: 0, RetryDelay: 0, Min: 0} - what's your intuition about how many times could it be retried ?
[13:58] <jam> wpk: either we'd say "that's a zero value, so replace it with the default", or 1 attempt
[13:59] <wpk> jam: that's passed to retry.Regular used in retry.StartWithCancel
[13:59] <wpk> (directly)
[13:59] <wpk> on Linux that means try once, we failed, oops - Total exceeded, return
[13:59] <wpk> on Windows we can try to connect 3 or even 4 times during those 0 seconds.
[14:01] <jam> wpk: often on windows time resolution is actually like 15ms
[14:01] <jam> its a very old 'clock()' resolution thing
[14:01] <jam> I believe you have to explicitly request high-perf clocks on Windows and many don't
[14:01] <wpk> jam: I'll just add a workaround
[14:02] <jam> either that or something like if you call it it *globally* changes the clock down to 1ms resolution (affects other programs), something like that
[14:02] <wpk> if delay==0 && total == 0 -> delay = 1
[14:02] <jam> wpk: delay = 1 or total = 1?
[14:02] <wpk> delay = 1
[14:02] <wpk> after first try it'll notice that now+delay > total and return
[14:03] <rogpeppe> wpk: that's a really good question
[14:03] <rogpeppe> wpk: i think the current behaviour is wrong
[14:04] <wpk> rogpeppe: and what would be the correct behaviour?
[14:04] <wpk> rogpeppe: I think that 'try once' is OK in this case
[14:04] <wpk> At least it's intuitive for me
[14:04] <rogpeppe> wpk: i'm not sure. we'd need to decide how long to try for.
[14:04] <rogpeppe> wpk: does a zero deadline mean an infinite deadline?
[14:05] <wpk> for me a zero means no deadline in this case
[14:05] <wpk> 'try once'.
[14:10] <rogpeppe> wpk: so zero deadline means "no deadline" and a zero retry-delay means "no retries" ?
[14:13] <wpk> zero deadline means 'try once', zero retry-delay means 'no delay between retries'
[14:13] <wpk> total 1, retry-delay 0 means try as many times as possible in 1 second
[14:14] <wpk> that's consistent with gopkg.in/retry nomenclature
[14:16] <wpk> https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7417
[14:20] <wpk> This fixes TestDialAPIMultipleError for me
[14:53] <rogpeppe> wpk: i'd like to make the deadline a proper hard deadline on the whole dial - at the moment it's not
[14:55] <rogpeppe> wpk: are you aware that the delay timing is in nanoseconds? a delay of 1 really won't make it wait much longer... :)
[15:09] <wpk> rogpeppe: are you sure?
[15:09] <rogpeppe> wpk: sure about what?
[15:09] <wpk> rogpeppe: that it's in nanoseconds?
[15:09] <wpk> rogpeppe: because it works
[15:09] <wpk> oh, and it makes a difference
[15:09] <rogpeppe> wpk: see https://golang.org/pkg/time/#Dur
[15:10] <rogpeppe> wpk: see https://golang.org/pkg/time/#Dur
[15:10] <wpk> because N + 1 is still > N
[15:10] <rogpeppe> wpk: see https://golang.org/pkg/time/#Duration
[15:10] <wpk> so it's enough
[15:11] <rogpeppe> wpk: maybe the retry code is wrong. i'm not sure it should retry if the timeout is zero
[15:13] <wpk> it's start=now, end=now+Total, start.add(delay); if start.after(end) (a sharp comparision) return
[15:14] <wpk> that'd work should that be 'not_before'
[15:17] <wpk> oh, that's your package :)
[15:18] <wpk> if !end.after(start) should work here
[15:59] <rogpeppe> wpk: agreed
[18:23] <stokachu> rogpeppe: does https://github.com/juju/juju/commit/874fbd53dd898c325edc36ec37d0518f03bfd987 fix that issue i was seeing with the certificate error trying to connect to jaas?
[18:31] <rogpeppe> stokachu: not quite. the next PR to follow it will though.
[18:32] <rogpeppe> stokachu: sorry, it's taken a while to get it reviewed
[18:38] <stokachu> Cool np!
[21:01] <thumper> mornign
[21:01] <thumper> ^T
[21:15] <babbageclunk> wallyworld_: ping?
[21:15] <babbageclunk> morning thumper
[21:15] <thumper> babbageclunk: morning
[21:17] <babbageclunk> thumper: I finally got log forwarding working - certificates are fiddly and opaque, although that's probably just unfamiliarity.
[21:17]  * thumper nods
[21:17] <thumper> coolio
[21:17] <wpk> 23:01 <@thumper> mornign
[21:17] <thumper> wpk: hey
[21:17] <thumper> wpk: why are you still up?
[21:18] <babbageclunk> thumper: I still need to fix something about the last-seen tracking, but otherwise it seems to be working.
[21:18] <thumper> babbageclunk: sweet
[21:18] <babbageclunk> wpk: timzones, ha
[21:18] <wpk> thumper: bugs won't fix themselves ;)
[21:18] <wpk> babbageclunk: I had a proposal that we all should just abandon timezones and switch to UTC
[21:18] <wpk> babbageclunk: that'd make scheduling much easier
[21:19] <babbageclunk> wpk: good call - gets rid of the blight that is daylight savings too.


[11:58] <brousch> http://www.mlive.com/business/detroit/index.ssf/2015/03/legoland_coming_to_great_lakes.html
[11:59] <rick_h_> morning
[11:59] <rick_h_> ruh roh
[14:52] <SneakyPhil> hello again
[14:52] <ColonelPanic001> hi.
[14:53] <jjesse> hello
[14:54] <_stink_> HI
[15:47] <cmaloney> Good morning
[16:09] <rick_h_> afternoon
[16:12] <rick_h_> I can't help but see stuff like this and think "damn, I thought 2fa was bad. Sorry guys, have to go shave before I can login to the meeting"  http://techcrunch.com/2015/03/17/your-windows-10-password-will-be-your-face/
[16:12] <SneakyPhil> lol
[16:13] <_stink_> can i use my constipated face?
[16:19] <jrwren> a face isn't a password, it is a username.
[16:19] <jrwren> security fail.
[16:19] <rick_h_> jrwren: +1
[16:19] <jrwren> what does it do with twins?
[16:19] <rick_h_> hey, account sharing finally works!
[16:20] <jrwren> hahahahaha
[16:23] <cscheib> lulz
[16:24] <rick_h_> heh, kind of cool idea but not sure I've got the spare usb ports for keeping brightness settings in place http://www.hughski.com/colorhugals.html
[17:24] <cmaloney> jrwren: ++
[17:25] <cmaloney> rick_h_: That might be interesting for the desktop machine
[17:49]  * cmaloney is listening to Professor Kliq - Wire & Flashing Lights
[17:49] <cmaloney> <3
[18:30] <cmaloney> I love it when: A file that normally shows up Monday and gets emailed out on Tuesday doesn't cause anyone concern, but when the file shows up on Tuesday (late) suddenly everyone is concerned if the process is running
[18:30] <cmaloney> Sadly it takes the same amount of time whether it's Monday or Tuesday
[19:48] <jcastro> CRAIG
[19:48] <jcastro> CRAIG
[19:48] <jcastro> cmaloney, I LOVE YOU
[19:52] <cscheib> jcastro: been hitting the sauce already?
[19:52] <jcastro> cscheib, he sent me a very cool birthday present
[19:52] <cscheib> aha
[19:53] <jcastro> https://www.dropbox.com/s/crkozy5y6fjgimy/2015-03-17%2015.51.19.jpg?dl=0
[19:54] <cscheib> nice
[21:12] <cmaloney> jcastro: :)
[23:43] <gamerchick02> howdy ubuntu peeps!
[23:48] <_stink_> hello!
[23:48] <gamerchick02> hwody _stink_ what's news?
[23:49] <gamerchick02> i'm really liking the XPS 13
[23:51] <mrgoodcat> ModelFactoryFactoryCreator.getInstance(ModelFactory.class);
[23:51] <mrgoodcat> dear god
[23:51] <mrgoodcat> this was actually in code
[23:51] <mrgoodcat> i don't have to touch it thank god but what kind of professor does that?
[23:53] <greg-g> welcome to java good sir
[23:55] <gamerchick02> i don't code and i think that looks horrendous
[23:55] <mrgoodcat> it is horrendous
[23:55] <gamerchick02> the only java i need is in my tall cup (with some cream and sugar please)
[23:56] <gamerchick02> oh and on my poor work laptop because i have to use codep that runs in an old copy of java
[23:57] <_stink_> mrgoodcat: haha, that is awesome.
[23:59] <gamerchick02> mrgoodcat, an evil professor?


 I am making this request to put (if you can) this software in the repositories of Kubuntu 22.04, when it comes out.
[09:26] <user|45> Thank you
[09:26] <user|45> Cordially
[09:26] <user|45> Alban
[09:52] <Banbino> Hello, I noticed that Amarok is no longer in the official Kubuntu 20.04 repositories, so it's a shame because I loved this software, it was practical and simple. I am making this request to put (if you can) this software in the repositories of Kubuntu 22.04, when it comes out.
[09:52] <Banbino> Thank you
[09:52] <Banbino> Regards
[09:52] <Banbino> Alban
[10:25] <alkisg> If Banbino comes back, the reason is there: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/amarok
 my headphone jack is muted since 21.04 had worked with earlier versions alsa force-reload brings no solution anyone any idea ?
 alsamixer, check if headphone out is muted? (m on keyboard) (re @Berkan: my headphone jack is muted since 21.04 had worked with earlier versions alsa force-reload brings no solution anyone any idea ?)
 not in kubuntu or alsamixer is muted but still no sound
 TL
 hello
 sir
 anyone here ??
 with my laptop speaker or via bluetooth works fine
 i need help that kubuntu is not working with the amdgpu pro
 cant install the amdgpu pro
 is this kernel issue??
 Hello , I wanted to know how much data would it take to upgrade kubuntu from 20.04 to 21.04 , I'm concerned about it since my data is capped.
[14:05] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
 IPRG
 LPRG
 JPRG
 JPKG
 how too duty judy
 i think i have seen your user name on irc no?
 oh i c iRC relay hum
[15:50] <BluesKaj> @bartimaeuseyes, do you have a Kubuntu support question?
 no
 just joined the channel
[15:51] <BluesKaj> ok, then please stop typing gibberish
 what gibberish is that?
[15:51] <BluesKaj> everything you rtyped so far
[15:51] <BluesKaj> typed
 give me a for instance
 i dont follow you
[15:52] <BluesKaj> !offtopic
 not what i asked
 please define what you call gibberish
[15:53] <BluesKaj> doesn't matter it's not Kubuntu releated
 your a maroon, good bye
[15:53] <BluesKaj> bye
[16:00] <danny_> i have a question about statics
[16:00] <danny_> and templates
 K4zy
 @danny you might have better luck in a programming channel
 this one is for Kubuntu support


 all migrated, and on the ISO
 I bet the ISO has a black background on the try/install screen as it changed from png to jpg
 This can be fixed.....
 or it will go straight to the desktop (re @RikMills: I bet the ISO has a black background on the try/install screen as it changed from png to jpg)
[11:28] <mparillo> I would prefer straight to the desktop, even if that means we do not take some of the QA test cases too literally.
[11:29] <mparillo> Interesting, when I enter iso.qa.ubuntu.com into konqueror, it wants HTTPs. however only http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ renders properly. I bet the graphics are referred to via HTTP.
[11:30] <mparillo> For example on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/429/builds/242873/testcases/1300/results The system boots properly and loads the installer displaying the Welcome dialog with language selection and 'Try Kubuntu' and 'Install Kubuntu' buttons
[11:41] <mamarley> What changed from PNG to JPG?
[11:42] <mamarley> Oh, the desktop background.  That's a horrible idea.  I can see the artifacts. :(
[11:47]  * mamarley grumble grumble grumble
[11:47] <mamarley> Computer-generated images should never be saved as JPG.  I thought KDE VDG knew better…
[11:51] <RikMills> mamarley: I suspect it was due to the last minute "oh sh*t, we forgot to add the new wallpaper!" on the beat day
[11:52] <RikMills> and by last minute, I mean final tars had to be re-done!
[11:52] <mamarley> Oops!
[11:52] <mamarley> Hopefully they will change it back for the next release then.
[13:28] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:17] <mparillo> I updated JJ today, and there is an SDDM background, kinfocenter is working again, and discover, and dolphin seem to work normally.


[09:57] <tsdgeos> cimi: you said "Just waiting for CI" in https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/fix-1599238/+merge/299312
[09:57] <tsdgeos> CI finished
[10:14] <tsdgeos> ltinkl: https://code.launchpad.net/~lukas-kde/unity8/wizardKeyboardPage/+merge/295060/comments/777399
[10:14] <ltinkl> tsdgeos, ouch thanks... looks like a bad merge
[10:15] <ltinkl> tsdgeos, fixed
[10:47] <tsdgeos> Saviq: any idea when yakkety is going to get the new uitk?
[10:47] <tsdgeos> not sure if i should either continue workarounding not building or just install the .deb from proposed
[10:47] <Saviq> tsdgeos, whenever Qt 5.6 and new KDE get untangled
[10:48] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I'd recommend https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed#Selective_upgrading_from_-proposed
[10:57]  * tsdgeos takes leap of faith
[10:58] <tsdgeos> gets new qt on the way
[10:58] <tsdgeos> hope not everything explodes :D
[10:59] <tsdgeos> Saviq: do you know what KDE stuff causing the blockage so maybe i can try to help tonight?
[11:02] <Saviq> tsdgeos, in general anything that's red in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html (or "Not considered" for any other reason)
[11:02] <Saviq> Mirv, know anything specific ↑↑?
[11:05] <Mirv> tsdgeos: I've tried pinging them but no response. they were originally saying that "just force anything" but I would like them to say that to release managers
[11:05] <Mirv> tsdgeos: I made a list yesterday, but for example kwin segfaults seen in tests. just a moment.
[11:06] <Mirv> https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/08/01/%23kubuntu-devel.html#t09:44
[11:06] <Mirv> tsdgeos:  kde-cli-tools libkscreen kdepim-runtime kxmlgui extra-cmake-modules kconfigwidgets okteta (amd64, retried) akonadi-search kidentitymanagement kdelibs4support kwayland libkscreen plasma-framework (s390x, retried)
[11:06] <Mirv> + the kwin
[11:06] <Mirv> and well marble too
[11:06] <Mirv> after updating symbols it fails to build too
[11:07] <Mirv> tsdgeos: so I've tried to get info if they feel they functionally work right now so that they can also fix them later. KDE autopkgtests have failed for ages in many cases, so they should in many cases be overridden.
[11:08] <Mirv> after 073 lands I'll try again
[11:08] <tsdgeos> you're not making me confident this update is not totally going to destroy my system :D
[11:08] <Saviq> 073? what's interesting to KDE in there?
[11:16] <Mirv> tsdgeos: it's been tested by me (Unity 8, Plasma, LXQt) and several Kubuntu people. there were more autopkgtests failing _before_ the Qt 5.6.1 landing, it's just that the normal case of things in yakkety-proposed is that KDE stuff is always blocked until someone says that "yes it works let's ignore the autopkgtests"
[11:17] <Mirv> Saviq: 073 has the fix to only non-KDE autopkgtest failure, so after that it's only the KDE autopkgtests blocking the migration to release pocket (at least per excuses page)
[11:17] <Saviq> Mirv, ack
[11:17] <Mirv> so more reason to get the migration forward
[11:17] <Saviq> Mirv, it's in QA queue already
[11:17] <Mirv> Saviq: I know :)
[11:20] <Mirv> tsdgeos: it's just that I don't want to be the guy telling release managers to ignore KDE's autopkgtests, even if I could quote something like that from #kubuntu-devel
[11:23] <tsdgeos> Mirv: i see, at least konsole, kate and quassel still work after the update, something is something :D
[11:23] <tsdgeos> let's see my plasma session tonight :D
[11:31] <Mirv> tsdgeos: are you btw running proposed, silo 24 or 24 + 41?
[11:31] <tsdgeos> Mirv: i enabled proposed and intsalled "some" packages
[11:32] <tsdgeos> food
[11:32] <Mirv> tsdgeos: ok, so yeah you have the new Frameworks and Plasma too, great. they would not have been required but it seemed like people wanted to get the new releases in to fix autopkgtests (among else)
[12:12] <Mirv> Saviq: not sure why 073 doesn't show up at trello even though ticket says Ready
[12:14] <Saviq> me eiher
[12:14] <Saviq> +t
[12:14] <Saviq> prolly too long again ;)


[13:09] <cyphermox> doko: didrocks : cpaelzer : mir team meeting?
[13:14] <didrocks> cyphermox: oupsss, didn't see the ping, nothing to raise for me
[13:20] <cyphermox> well, no; but since we have a recurring meeting ;)
[13:20] <cpaelzer> hi
[13:20] <cpaelzer> nothing new for me either since probert was done
[13:20] <cpaelzer> all else went fine the last week in regard to MIRs
[13:20] <cpaelzer> kornosnet and edk2 fully completed
[13:21] <cpaelzer> umm "kronosnet"
[13:21] <cpaelzer> nothing to raise with the team this week


[04:58] <CebSombre> evening folks!
[07:15] <BobJonkman> Well hi CebSombre!
[07:15] <BobJonkman> (it's been pretty quiet in here)
[07:19] <CebSombre> lol, indeed though it is Saturday night, all the Ubuntu power users probably painting the town red
[07:19] <CebSombre> er, purplish


[05:21] <Mirv> robru: looks correct! kwin and kaccounts-integration will need to be forced similar to qtbase, others retried (many autopkgtests are flaky). I don't see anything that would be related to alt-tab behavior ie real regressions
[05:23] <robru> Mirv: cool. I'm hoping to hook up the retry button in Britney this week or next
[05:44] <Mirv> a retry button would be totally awesome
[09:20] <davmor2> sil2100: did the bluetooth and unity8 changes land yesterday and all of silo 12 in the end?
[09:25] <sil2100> davmor2: yeah, I upublished the bluetooth fixes earlier yesterday and unity8 before going EOD
[09:26] <davmor2> sil2100: I thought that said unpublished for a second I was about to slap you silly ;)
[10:26] <jamesh> jibel: hi.  I noticed that this card has been stuck in the "ready for testing" column for a while now: https://trello.com/c/B1ETU6Fp/2709-911-ubuntu-landing-016-unity-scope-mediascanner-jamesh-michi-marcustomlinson -- is there anything that needs to be done for it to progress?
[10:29] <jibel> jamesh, the silo is fine and really ready for qa, but we had to land other fixes first. Sorry about that.
[10:29] <jamesh> jibel: okay, thanks.
[12:54] <jgdx> \o/
[14:56] <davmor2> pstolowski, michi: question you guys, silo 16 bug #1539068 should that display something on the aggregated scope too?
[14:56] <ubot5`> bug 1539068 in unity-scope-mediascanner (Ubuntu) "My Music scope no longer shows "get started!"" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1539068
[14:57] <pstolowski> davmor2, no, that's per design
[14:58] <davmor2> pstolowski: awesome thanks just checking if it should of displayed something like the video one or not now I know I can carry on :)
[15:00] <pstolowski> davmor2, sure thing; there is no sensible 'tappable' action we could show there, unlike with videos scope, where you can use camera to take photos
[15:00] <pstolowski> davmor2, that was the rationale behind current design
[15:01] <davmor2> pstolowski: right makes sense, just didn't want to pass it and then find out there should of been something there when there wasn't :)