[07:50] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[07:53] <MartijnVdS> \o brobostigon
[07:53] <brobostigon> morning MartijnVdS
[08:09] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:10] <SuperMatt> morning
[08:10] <SuperMatt> I seem to be growing an appreciable amount of respect for SUSE
[08:11] <SuperMatt> I've been told by many people before that it's terrible and that I shouldn't use it, but at every turn I see them doing some really great things
[08:12] <popey> Laney: sorry to hear about bobby
[08:13] <Laney> thanks popey
[08:13] <Laney> he was pretty old
[08:20] <DJones> Morning all
[08:28] <dwatkins> ello
[08:52] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Paperboy Day! :-D
[08:53] <bigcalm> Oooo, memories of that game
[08:53] <bigcalm> I was pants at it
[08:55] <JamesTait> bigcalm, that was my first thought as well. :)
[08:56] <JamesTait> bigcalm, although the source called it Newspaper Carrier Day.
[09:13] <mungbean> what is badoo ?
[09:14] <popey> bigcalm: seen someone has implemented paperboy with Occulus Rift + Kinect + exercise bike
[09:14] <bigcalm> popey: sweet!
[09:14] <mungbean> i saw that on click i think
[09:15] <popey> yeah, me too
[09:16] <mungbean> my son lets me watch it over lunch on saturday without a tantrum
[09:16] <mungbean> usually he watches ninja warrior over lunch
[09:16] <mungbean> but he saw angry birds on it once , and a robot , so he likes it now
[09:19] <mungbean> is badoo a dating site?
[09:19] <mungbean> or a facebook copy
[09:19] <mungbean> getting messages from strange men via it
[09:19] <DJones> Google search briungs up "Meet people on Badoo, Make new friends, Chat, Flirt" Sounds like a combination of facebook & dating
[09:20] <DJones>      a combination of facebook & dating
[09:20] <DJones> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badoo
[09:20] <mungbean> Badoo is the internet's most successful hook-up service, run from London by a secretive Russian serial entrepreneur who has refused to b
[09:21] <mungbean> somehow i don't think i'll be checking my message from "Ross"
[09:21] <mungbean> uses my full name...rather :S
[09:21] <DJones> You never know, you could get a pleasant surprise
[09:22] <mungbean> chances of that are approaching negative infinity
[09:35] <mungbean> anyone know if 4965agn works in n mode on recent kernels yet?
[09:48] <directhex> mungbean, yes! briefly!
[09:48] <mungbean> :'( you mean 30 seconds...
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> until you get some kind of weird packet?
[09:48] <mungbean> i wonder why this has never been fixed?
[09:48] <mungbean> have an n router and n card and can't use it
[09:53] <MartijnVdS> the newer intel wifi cards do have working n
[09:54] <MartijnVdS> it's like the older intel graphics cards that have bugs that were never fixed
[09:54] <mungbean> that makes me sad
[10:02] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:07] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[10:10] <directhex> intel want you to buy new things
[10:10] <mungbean> perhaps i won't buy intel if the old things never get fixed
[10:10] <directhex> related: security update to intel-microcode package also disables overclocking unless you have an authorized top of the range motherboard chipset
[10:13] <Laney> yay, Good Beer Guide 2014 just came
[10:13] <directhex> is it good?
[10:14] <Laney> it's a huge list of pubs
[10:14] <Laney> sounds good to me
[10:15] <mungbean> is there a bad beer guide?
[10:15] <bigcalm> Does it review the beer?
[10:16] <BigRedS> directhex: fortunately you can just take it out of your initrd and not be affected
[10:16] <Laney> nope
[10:17] <directhex> BigRedS, then you have a security vuln :D
[10:17] <mungbean> http://wiki.centos.org/Events/Dojo/London2013
[10:22] <mungbean> Men socialize by insulting each other, but they don't mean it. Women socialize by complimenting each other, and they don't mean it either.
[10:22] <mungbean> heh
[10:22] <mungbean> some truth in that
[10:44] <bigcalm> mungbean: mostly men at our LUG, and everybody insults everybody else
[10:44] <bigcalm> It's going to be quiet without davmor2 tonight
[10:46] <davmor2> bigcalm: Oi that's not on I insult every with equal contempt, not just people at the LUG, you ask my manager, popey and czajkowski they'll all confirm it :D
[10:46] <davmor2> s/every/everyone
[10:46]  * czajkowski stabs davmor2 hush you
[10:47] <davmor2> bigcalm: see
[10:47] <bigcalm> :)
[11:04] <davmor2> moodoo: what's this about saluting work colleagues you only do that as you leave them forever :D
[11:20] <DJones> Just listening to an interview with the bloke who paid for a twitter advert to complain about British Airways losing his luggage and not responding to normal tweets, just said he paid about $1000 for it, that seems a bit extreme
[11:22] <mungbean> how many viewers got to see it?
[11:23] <mgdm> "lots"
[11:23] <mungbean> spending 1k to vent your rage is rather extreme
[11:23] <DJones> mungbean: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23943480
[11:23] <mungbean> i like to think maybe it saved a life
[11:27]  * bigcalm returns with non-crackly sound having just edited the pulseaudio config!
[11:30] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: 44100 vs 48000?
[11:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> DJones: I always used to write the BA Exec club when I was a "frequent flyer". Whatever the content; praise or complaint, they *always* sent me a bottle of Veuve Cliquot :-D
[11:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> Used to have bottles of the stuff in my rack
[11:41] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: what a good idea :)
[11:42] <DJones> Sounds good
[11:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> Anyone been to La Manga recently?
[11:46] <mralc> Hello Ubuntu UK
[11:47] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: http://askubuntu.com/questions/157891/skype-and-vlc-sounds-sizzle-distorted-bad
[12:44] <mungbean> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23953314
[12:44] <mungbean> Plymouth woman 'woke up sounding Chinese'
[12:55] <DJones> That could have been considerably worse eg, Manchester man woke up sounding Liverpudlian :)
[12:55] <directhex> or anyone in the world waking up mancunian
[13:00] <mgdm> There was one I saw recently about an American guy who woke up one day speaking Swedish
[13:01] <popey> Ja!
[13:01] <mgdm> maybe he got bitten by a møøse
[13:02] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: https://metacpan.org/module/Moose ?
[13:02] <mgdm> If you get bitten by a moose, you start to understand Perl?
[13:02] <mgdm> Blimey, there's one to avoid
[13:03] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: at least it's not PHP
[13:03] <Monotoko> I speak Chinese too, however I always "think" in English - I woke up one morning and couldn't remember any English for the life of me
[13:03] <Monotoko> came back to me after a few minutes, but that was scary
[13:03] <mgdm> MartijnVdS: I've already got that particular variant of brain damage
[13:03] <directhex> thinking in a foreign language is super hard
[13:03] <MartijnVdS> Monotoko: that would be weird
[13:03] <MartijnVdS> directhex: I manage :P
[13:03] <MartijnVdS> Once I'm in an English-speaking country for >2 days, I think in it.
[13:03] <ali1234> that happens to me about once a month
[13:04] <ali1234> it takes me about three hours to remember how to speak
[13:04] <ali1234> no joke
[13:04] <ali1234> i thought it was just normal?
[13:04] <popey> nope
[13:04] <Monotoko> ali1234: First time it'd happened, and last - I was trying to think how to request help, could think of the word in Chinese
[13:04] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: Aphasia?
[13:04] <Monotoko> but not English
[13:05] <Monotoko> was going through my options with taking myself to a police station down the street and trying to request a translator
[13:05] <Monotoko> but luckily it all came back
[13:05] <ali1234> i don't speak any other languages...
[13:06] <mgdm> ali1234: that is a bit weird
[13:06] <shauno> ali1234: talk to yourself more often
[13:07] <mungbean> i haven't spoken to anyone since 8am :(
[13:07] <mungbean> i'm at work, and nobody else seems to have come in today
[13:07] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: aww
[13:07] <ali1234> basically i can only answer yes/no questions when in this state
[13:07] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: I'd talk to a doctor about that.. if it happens often (it can be a symptom of a stroke)
[13:08] <ali1234> i've always been this way since i was a kid
[13:08] <mungbean> can you smell toast? then either someone is making toast or you are having a stroke
[13:08] <mungbean> but does sound like brain damage yeah
[13:08] <shauno> mungbean: I've never heard that one
[13:09] <mungbean> olfactory hallucinations
[13:09] <ali1234> it only happens after i wake up too, it doesn't just spontaneously happen when i'm walking down the street or something
[13:09] <mungbean> although the internet wants to tell me it aint true anymore
[13:10] <popey> sounds like you're still dreaming
[13:10] <popey> friend of mine has that thing where he wakes up but is frozen stiff
[13:10] <popey> he can see and is aware he's awake but can't move or speak
[13:11] <mungbean> sleep paralysis?
[13:11] <popey> ya
[13:11] <popey> sounds related

[13:11] <mungbean> i dreamt i was mark owen from take that and i hadn't practised the song i had to sing
[13:11] <shauno> (awkward silence)
[13:11] <MartijnVdS> shauno: exactly
[13:12] <mgdm> I get that sleep paralysis thing too, it's horrible
[13:12] <popey> did you see the sleep programme last night?
[13:12] <popey> people who sleep walk / snore / insomniacs / poor sleepers?
[13:12] <mungbean> i also get a recurring dream situation where i walk into large toiets and the floor is really slippery/flooded and unhygeinic
[13:12] <popey> was entertaining laughing at other people's misfortune, oh yes!
[13:12] <mungbean> and i fall over or am worried about slipping over
[13:13] <mungbean> apparently quite common
[13:14]  * Dave2 stabs popey a bit
[13:20] <popey> "Alan is currently making delivery number 102, you are delivery number 122."
[13:20] <popey> "Alan is approximately 1 hour 15 minutes away from you."
[13:20] <popey> \o/ DPD driver tracking
[13:20] <directhex> popey, wow, that's a new feature
[13:20] <popey> he's driven all around farnborough, nearly passed my house lots, but never dropped my parcel off
[13:21] <directhex> popey, in theory they've got an optimized route to save petrol. see also http://www.businessinsider.com/ups-efficiency-secret-our-trucks-never-turn-left-2011-3
[13:21] <popey> http://ubuntuone.com/2KK403DHqvERxvRMcwXe8N
[13:21] <Monotoko> how would I go about adding another DNS server? just add the IP to allow-transfer on the master?
[13:25] <popey> omg, the dude is now literally round the corner!
[13:26] <DJones> Run round the corner and hijack the van
[13:27] <popey> heh
[13:28] <DJones> We have live vehicle tracking on our maintenance vans so we can let customers know how near the driver is to them
[13:29] <DJones> From memory, it also flags up when they're speeding (or at least what speed they're doing) etc, although nobody looks at the logs for that
[13:29] <Monotoko> we had one of those at my old company... it flagged up if they were going 71 on a moterway -.-
[13:30] <Monotoko> I ended up changing it to +15
[13:30] <ali1234> we had one of those too. i made it draw a little 3D van on google earth. nobody else at the company ever looked at it
[13:34] <DJones> This could just have been a windup that I was told, supposedly the wife of one of the fitters came in wanting to know where he'd been on a day because she thought he was having an affair with somebody, they wouldn't tell her, but knowing how many of the fitters are making CSA payments it did sound feasable
[13:35] <shauno> my uncle works for an outfit that go mad over vehicle tracking logs.  they'll get flagged for breaking too hard, too often, etc
[13:36] <shauno> not just bad/inappropriate driving, but anything that's counter to a healthy mpg
[13:36] <directhex> i hate people on the road like that
[13:36] <directhex> they give us reckless prius drivers a bad name!
[13:37] <shauno> apparently some of the diesel options over here get better milage than the prius
[13:38] <directhex> well... that's complicated
[13:38] <directhex> the workloads which diesels do well on and the workloads PE hybrids do well on are basically opposites
[13:38] <directhex> i.e. diesels get amazing motorway MPG, prius sucks at motorways
[13:39] <directhex> whereas prius does amazingly in stop-start traffic compared to a diesel
[13:41] <mungbean> my seat ibiza tdi was great on motorway. my focus estate 2.0l tdci, not so good
[13:42] <directhex> when the prius can't make use of the electric, it's just a heavy 1.5l or 1.8l (depending on age) petrol car
[13:43] <mungbean> how much are prius?
[13:44] <mungbean> and what's the round town mpg?
[13:46] <directhex> new? from 22k
[13:47] <directhex> quoted urban mpg is 72.4
[13:47] <directhex> for the 3rd gen (i have 2nd gen)
[13:48] <directhex> 56.5 for the 2nd gen for urban
[13:49]  * davmor2 can't see popey at screwfix direct live somehow
[13:51] <mungbean> seat ecomotive is far cheaper and comparable mpg
[13:52] <directhex> mungbean, in a comparably sized car? prius is a large 5 door
[13:54] <mungbean> the leon is similar size
[13:54] <mungbean> but many ££ cheaper too
[13:56] <mungbean> "74mpg is the official combined figure, but I think I did better than that. I drove from London to Staffordshire and back, and it cost me about 7p"
[14:00] <davmor2> mungbean: what?  it's 110 miles to London from Birmingham if you only used a litre of fuel that's still 130-140 and that is one way so you must of used at least £3 as an estimate of a minimum distance travelled :P
[14:00] <mungbean> its a quote from a review
[14:01] <mungbean> what is true is that prius cost £7k more and comparable efficiency
[14:01] <mungbean> maybe the 7k is the "apple tax"
[14:06] <davmor2> to be honest all these hybrid cars are doing it wrong,  you make it electric from the ground up keep the fuel tank fill it with diesel and have it power an idleing/ondemand generator,  because of the small size and low speed of the generator you will use next to no fuel and have effectively and all electric car
[14:08] <mgdm> that's how most warships work these days :-)
[14:08] <mgdm> except the engines are a bit bigger...
[14:09] <Gargoyle> The problem with that is TAX!
[14:14] <mungbean> aaaah having a subwoofer under your desk is so much more satisfying than those piddly speakers, even at low volume
[14:20] <xnox> czajkowski: hmm..... are looking for room-mates and/or sponsoring people for mongodb world? =)
[14:20] <xnox> that hotel is nice!
[14:26] <popey> "Alan is currently making delivery number 121, you are delivery number 122."
[14:26] <popey> \o/
[14:26] <BigRedS> popey: DPD?
[14:33] <popey> ya
[14:33] <popey> \o/ delivered
[14:38] <czajkowski> xnox: not sure we could be
[14:38] <czajkowski> just annouced today...
[14:57] <mungbean> was the nexus 5 "leaked" in google vid ?
[14:57] <mungbean> http://i.imgur.com/2OxaFzu.png
[14:58] <directhex> LUCKY GOLDSTAR again?
[15:00] <mungbean> allegedly
[15:01] <mungbean> i'm pretty sure goldstar was considered a terrible brand in the 80s/90s
[15:02] <mungbean> along with alba etc.
[15:02] <directhex> which is why it's just "lg" now :p
[15:02] <mungbean> saisho
[15:03] <mungbean> matsui
[15:03] <popey> amstrad ☻
[15:03] <mgdm> I always wondered why Alba were called that, since it's also Gaelic for Scotland
[15:03] <mgdm> turns out it's the owner's name contracted a bit
[15:04] <directhex> ariston!
[15:04] <mungbean> amstrad were awful. and viglen.  whoever repeats that alan sugre is some techno tycoon is just repeating what some other numpty told them
[15:04] <mungbean> matsui and saisho were dixons own brand
[15:04] <mungbean> figures
[15:05] <mungbean> goodmans, bush...
[15:05] <directhex> grundig
[15:05] <mungbean> pye
[15:06] <mungbean> Alba plc, buying Bush in 1988, and then Goodmans in 1994.
[15:06] <mungbean> lol
[15:06] <mungbean> its like sports direct
[15:06] <mungbean> buying lonsdale and kangol etc
[15:07] <directhex> i hope there's a nexus 5 mini. nexus 4 is already too big
[15:07] <mungbean> u only had it a week :P
[15:16] <BigRedS> xscreensaver has some crazy ideas about what constitutes activity
[15:17] <BigRedS> it doesn't seem to count scrolling, for example
[15:18] <davmor2> Gargoyle: sorry for the delay,  it's not an issue for tax it would be taxed on emissions and mpg the same as all other cars which would likely be £0 or £30 at the most
[15:19] <Gargoyle> davmor2: But the diesel fuel tax… is it running a generator or a car?
[15:22] <davmor2> Gargoyle: you fill from the pump so you pay the standard rate, that's the point, feul companies are happy fuel is still being bought, eco warriors are happy there are less greenhouse gases, car manufacturers are happy as there are only minor alterations needed to a regular car etc etc
[15:22] <mungbean> lol, rewatching the top gear nascar sucks clip
[15:23] <dwatkins> BigRedS: I have to click, move the mouse, then click to stop GLMatrix
[15:23] <Gargoyle> davmor2: But if there is even a hint that there's a legal loophole, you'll be able to buy the fuel a lot cheaper!
[15:24] <davmor2> Gargoyle: you are putting fuel in a car the standard way it powers your car fullstop
[15:25] <directhex> interesting. netgear NAS boxes use butterfs internally
[15:25] <directhex> i hear popey's a fan of that
[15:26] <popey> interesting indeed
[15:26] <popey> http://www.anandtech.com/show/6835/readynas-100-300-and-500-series-reboots-netgears-smb-nas-lineup agrees
[15:29] <directhex> i was going by http://www.netgear.com/business/products/storage/ReadyNAS-3220/RN322124E.aspx#two
[15:39] <popey> nice
[16:00] <directhex> http://www.synology.com/products/product.php?product_name=RS3413xs%2B&lang=uk#p_submenu - thoughts?
[16:02] <dwatkins> I really like my Synology, no idea about the high-end boxen apart from the fact a friend uses a couple of them for his virtual machines.
[16:03] <directhex> i like the SSD cache thing
[16:18] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/dkf878qxl5mpyxa/PANO_20130904_161423.jpg
[16:18] <daftykins> it's a very misty day down in the harbour
[16:18] <daftykins> Condor Vitesse there loading up with tourists to ship off :>
[16:20] <MartijnVdS> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/09/2-45-cube-pc-runs-android-and-linux-on-cortex-a9-arm-chip/
[16:21] <directhex> another dirt cheap freescale box?
[16:21] <MartijnVdS> yup
[16:21] <bigcalm> My TV stick hasn't arrived yet :(
[16:21] <directhex> it's a lie btw. no video output on any kernel that isn't freescale's heavily patched one. SOC vendors suck
[16:21] <directhex> i think they're on 3.2 now, not 2.6.31
[16:22]  * davmor2 throws a stick threw bigcalms tv
[16:22] <davmor2> through even
[16:22] <MartijnVdS> bad davmor2!
[16:23] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: what bigcalm  wanted a tv stick I was simply providing one :P
[16:23] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: you should just have put glue on it
[16:24] <bigcalm> I don't want a sticky stick
[16:24] <MartijnVdS> no on the tv
[16:24] <davmor2> bigcalm: so you stick to the tv
[16:27]  * bigcalm grumbles at nginx and tracd
[16:29] <MartijnVdS> haha trac
[16:30] <bigcalm> How does one hup a process so that it restarts?
[16:30] <bigcalm> kill -hup ?
[16:30] <mgdm> kill -HUP $pid, yes
[16:30] <bigcalm> Thanks
[16:30] <mgdm> assuming the process is set up to expect that
[16:30] <mgdm> not all are
[16:31] <bigcalm> nginx?
[16:31] <bigcalm> I would assume that it is
[16:32] <mgdm> most likely
[16:33] <mgdm> "SIGHUP Reload the configuration, launch new worker process(es) using this new configuration, while gracefully shutting down the old worker processes"
[16:33] <bigcalm> Ah, I will try SIGHUP in the future
[16:34] <mgdm> you send SIGHUP using kill -HUP
[16:34] <bigcalm> Which is what I did then
[16:34] <bigcalm> Found out that I can also nginx -s stop
[16:34] <bigcalm> and then restart it
[16:35] <mgdm> yeah, just saying you'd got it right ;)
[16:36] <bigcalm> An SSL cert has expired for one of our domains (which we are ditching). Until I get the new system 100% working, I need to reallow HTTP access to this trac server. But my web browsers are constantly redirecting HTTP to HTTPS
[16:36] <bigcalm> This is despite making changes to both nginx and trac
[16:36] <bigcalm> mgdm: ah, goodo :)
[16:36] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: restart your browser :)
[16:36] <bigcalm> I'm wondering if it's my web browser
[16:36] <mgdm> bigcalm: Using Chrome, or variant? Clear its cache
[16:36] <mgdm> actually Firefox probably does that too, but I use it less
[16:36] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: also, if you used HSTS, you'll fail
[16:36] <bigcalm> mgdm: Chromium and Firefox
[16:37] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: HSTS?
[16:37] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: HTTP Strict Transport Security
[16:37] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: Is that where it's set up in the SSL cert?
[16:37] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: basically, an extra header in the HTTPS responses indicating to the browser that it can assume https:// for that host/domain for an indicated amount of time
[16:37] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: usually several years :)
[16:37] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_Strict_Transport_Security
[16:37]  * bigcalm looks at clearing a cache
[16:37] <MartijnVdS> no it's response headers
[16:38] <bigcalm> Boss decided to implement "You cannot proceed because the website operator has requested heightened security for this domain."
[16:38] <bigcalm> Good except when a client needs to get to the service
[16:39] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: clients are always a problem
[16:39] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: better to just go without
[16:39] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: in an ideal world :)
[16:40] <MartijnVdS> okay.. gym o'clock
[16:40] <MartijnVdS> *check to see if podcasts have finished downloading*
[17:15] <Myrtti> *snicker* https://mikepohjola.wordpress.com/2013/09/03/dear-mr-nokia/
[17:34] <bigcalm> Myrtti: wonderful :)
[17:35] <NET||abuse> hi folks, has anyone been able to get hotspot feature working ? i need to get my mobile device to be able to use my laptop wifi as it's AP, and then i can do charles proxy, or some other http(s) inspecting proxy tool
[17:36]  * bigcalm slithers off to the LUG
[17:36] <NET||abuse> the work wifi does let wireless connections hit wired nodes :( so everyone here on a macpoop air/pro uses ICS to get the mobiles to work
[17:43] <daftykins> !ics
[17:44] <dwatkins> NET||abuse: bluetooth sharing may be another option
[17:46] <NET||abuse> daftykins: yeh, i read that page trying to get it working but no joy, also the instructions havn't been updated in a year n' half, so probably not correct for 13.04
[17:46] <daftykins> NET||abuse: you should probably explain in more detail how it didn't work
[17:47] <NET||abuse> ok, just a year ao.
[17:48] <NET||abuse> daftykins: well, i go thorugh the GUI method, i click setup the "Hotspot", it shows me some details, but nothing becomes visible on any device that's scanning for ssid's
[17:48] <Neoti> Routers for sale. £10 per router +PnP. pm me for details -->> http://pastebin.com/tP4iWwPD
[17:50] <daftykins> maybe use the CLI method then? :)
[17:51] <NET||abuse> yeh, gonna try that now when i get home..
[17:51] <NET||abuse> time to leave office, doggy needs his walk.
[17:51] <daftykins> :>
[17:51] <NET||abuse> cheers for the links
[17:52]  * NET||abuse away
[17:58] <ali1234> the new yahoo groups looks exactly like G+
[17:58] <ali1234> this is actually good now
[17:58] <ali1234> haters gonna hate etc
[18:03] <daftykins> simpletons can't handle change
[18:05] <popey> well, i would try it out but when I try to login to yahoo i get server error
[18:05] <popey> https://edit.europe.yahoo.com/forgot. It may be down for maintenance or configured incorrectly.
[18:06] <ali1234> i probably broke it when i logged in
[18:06] <ali1234> i'm sure yahoo is still running on the same 486 from 1995
[18:07] <popey> it also doesn't like my randomly generated 12 character password
[18:07] <popey> Your password is weak. Please choose a stronger password.
[18:07] <popey> WH#vAMfpI*7&%qcuaVn9Sfqn6czRLU5&
[18:07] <popey> that was my password
[18:07] <popey> also, too weak
[18:08] <ali1234> that doesn't even make sense
[18:47] <AlanBell> http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/explore/curiosity/ whut
[18:48] <AlanBell> Sorry, the platform you are using is currently not supported.
[18:48] <AlanBell> Unity supports the latest version of most browsers.
[18:48] <MartijnVdS> the web plugin for Unity 3D doesn't support Linux, I think
[18:51] <davmor2> popey: it starts with a capital letter :)
[18:52] <mungbean> it contains a dictionary word "a"
[18:52] <MartijnVdS> doesn't contain a unicode snowman
[18:52] <mungbean> lol
[18:52] <MartijnVdS> all passwords should have that
[18:52] <mungbean> try barry123
[18:53] <MartijnVdS> hi_obama_123!
[18:53] <davmor2> god
[18:53] <MartijnVdS> hi_god_123!?
[18:54] <mungbean> some people(crazy ones) dont let u put non alphanmumeric stuffs in the passwd
[18:55] <davmor2> all_your_P@55W0¬dz_belong_to_us
[18:55] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: there's only one fix for that
[18:55] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: but they abolished capital punishment
[18:55] <mgdm> capital punishment is when you're not allowed to use uppercase
[18:55] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: OR THE OPPOSITE, YOU HAVE TO READ EVERYTHING IN CAPS
[18:56] <MartijnVdS> EVERYTHING YOU READ WILL BE UPPERCASED FIRST
[18:56] <mgdm> heh
[18:56] <mungbean> samsung watch :-|
[18:56] <mungbean> i think watch tech is a bit lame atm
[18:57] <MartijnVdS> Why would you need one
[18:57] <MartijnVdS> phones exist
[18:57] <MartijnVdS> and tell the time
[18:58] <directhex> AlanBell, http://unity3d.com/webplayer
[18:58] <mungbean> useless luxury items for PHB to wear
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> directhex: it's confusing for Ubuntu users.
[18:59] <mungbean> yay i won gta chinatown DS
[19:06] <davmor2> mungbean: but these watches are so nice and they don't run out after 9 hours of use need taking off in order to be charged either :) http://shop.constantin-weisz.com/de/Herrenuhren/Herren-Automatik.html?xfb7d6=5e04e658bb2986011a646f031d2b8fea
[19:07] <mungbean> more of a casio fw91 man myself, as is probably 50% of the room...
[19:07] <mungbean> dont tell the NSA
[19:08]  * popey clicks "Provide Feedback"
[19:09] <mgdm> mungbean: F91W \o/
[19:09] <popey> \o/ F91W
[19:09]  * mgdm is wearing one right now
[19:09] <mgdm> I think it was popey's fault that I got one, though
[19:09]  * popey has 3
[19:09] <popey> one is an A158WE though, so in disuise
[19:09] <popey> +g
[19:10] <mungbean> i wear one 24hrs, need no others
[19:10] <popey> I have loads on my amazon wishlist
[19:10] <mgdm> ah yes
[19:10] <mgdm> popey: of f91ws?
[19:11] <mungbean> osama was the most famous pin up model of the f91w
[19:11] <daftykins> heh i remember the F91W
[19:11] <daftykins> had one as a kid
[19:11] <mungbean> why not now daftykins
[19:11] <daftykins> watches are not permitted
[19:12] <mgdm> how come?
[19:12] <daftykins> my wrists remain free ^_^
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> they could conceal spy cams!
[19:12] <daftykins> i got way too neurotic constantly watching the time, back in school, so now i go without
[19:13] <daftykins> plus carrying a phone that always has it instead
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: do you also not have an alarm? :)
[19:13] <mungbean> essential wearing for anyone who catches a train
[19:13] <mungbean> set to T+3 mins
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: maybe where you are.. trains go every 5-10 minutes here
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> on most busy routes anyway
[19:13] <mungbean> oh, 15 mins at bst here, often 30
[19:14] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: ? yeah on the phone too :P
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> sure but stations tend to be full of clocks :)
[19:14] <mungbean> if i;m at the station then im ok
[19:14] <daftykins> i'll bet he means for the frantic dash there
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: ah, I got rid of my alarm completely -- I just wake up when I feel like it (which is usually between 6 and 7)
[19:14] <popey> You should get a Wasp T12 Speechtool
[19:14] <popey> It's well weapon.
[19:14] <mungbean> its leaving the house and the office
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: I have PCs at the house & office, and those have a clock in the corner of the screen ;)
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: I know that if I leave the office at :24, I can catch my :33 train easily ;)
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> and if I miss it, I get the :36 one
[19:15] <mungbean> i have interconnections etc
[19:15] <mungbean> and if i need a wee on way home i need to know exactly how long i got
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: the :33 and :36 trains arrive at my interchange station at the same time :)
[19:15] <daftykins> XD
[19:15] <mungbean> i always leave it a bit tight
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: at the same platform (Across from each other)
[19:16] <mungbean> stupid efficient netherlands ;)
[19:16] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: Amsterdam -> Rotterdam train (via Den Haag) and Amsterdam -> Den Haag train :)
[19:16] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: leave Amsterdam 5 minutes apart, arrive in Leiden at the same time 8-)
[19:16] <daftykins> we are sorry, the 17:30 to <anywhere> is delayed, due to a goat on the tracks
[19:16] <MartijnVdS> because, different routes
[19:16] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: we just get suicidals on the tracks these days :|
[19:17] <daftykins> :o
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: or, in the east, sometimes cows
[19:17] <daftykins> suicidal cows :( what is the world coming to?
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: what would you do, if all you could do all do was stand in a field and eat grass?
[19:17] <mungbean> http://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/news/wing_commander_ken_wallis_dies_at_the_age_of_97_post_your_tributes_1_2365526#.Uibufs9KNFU.facebook
[19:18] <MartijnVdS> \o/ Your LEGO® order has shipped.
[19:18] <mungbean> sopwith?
[19:18] <MartijnVdS> Description: 21103 DeLorean tijdmachine V29
[19:18] <mungbean> the wing commander is dead :(
[19:18] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: The W C
[19:18] <MartijnVdS> ?
[19:18] <mungbean> is he still on lug^H^H^H uupc
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> haven't heard from him in a while
[19:21]  * brobostigon turns on the whitelist on his minecraft pe server, to be safe
[19:30] <popey> ronope
[19:31] <popey> brobostigon: manage to get it working?
[19:31] <popey> ronope? boggle
[19:31] <brobostigon> popey: with a pe server yes. not a normal server.
[19:31] <popey> not the same thing?
[19:31] <brobostigon> no.
[19:31] <brobostigon> apparently not.
[19:38] <brobostigon> if anyone does want a play, give me a shout, and i will get the details.
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> RaycisCharles: can't you just keep one name, like everyone else?
[21:13] <halt1> Hi all, I have a kind of basic question, if my user is part of more then one group, and I have a file which owned by the secondary group and can be edit just as if I'm part of the group, then i still should be able to edit the file or is this valid just for the primay group ?
[21:14] <mgdm> if the file has 'group write' permission
[21:15] <mgdm> chmod g+w filename
[21:25] <halt1> mgdm: it does have 664 so yes it has but i still can't edit :S
[21:26] <mgdm> halt1: Hmm. CAn you do 'groups $USER' and then 'ls -al /path/to/file' and put the results on paste.ubuntu.com ?
[21:29] <halt1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6064213/
[21:37] <halt1> mgdm: any guees why I can't edit the file ?
[21:38] <mgdm> halt1: weird
[21:39] <Seeker`> halt1: how are you trying to edit it?
[21:39] <halt1> nano
[21:39] <halt1> nano file
[21:39] <Seeker`> and what does it say?
[21:48] <halt1> "[ Read 29 lines (Warning: No write permission) ]"
[22:18] <popey> read only filesystem
[22:19]  * popey tickles d0od
[22:38] <halt1> popey: other files which are located in the same folder but own by me is writeable
[22:42] <popey> how odd
[22:50] <halt1> should i log out and in maybe ?
[22:51] <halt1> f*ck that's resolved it ..... thanks guys !
[22:51] <halt1> have a good night bye


[12:34] <segfault> validate.sh about-ubuntu.xml
[12:34] <segfault> about-ubuntu.xml:16: element inlinemediaobject: validity error : Element inlinemediaobject content does not follow the DTD, expecting (objectinfo? , (videoobject | audioobject | imageobject) , (videoobject | audioobject | imageobject | textobject)*), got (imageobject caption )
[12:34] <segfault> about-ubuntu.xml:20: element caption: validity error : Element caption content does not follow the DTD, expecting (calloutlist | glosslist | itemizedlist | orderedlist | segmentedlist | simplelist | variablelist | caution | important | note | tip | warning | literallayout | programlisting | programlistingco | screen | screenco | screenshot | formalpara | para | simpara | blockquote)*, got (CDATA)
[12:34] <segfault> Document about-ubuntu.xml does not validate
[12:35] <segfault> i suppose there's something wrong?
[04:26] <jjesse> wow and i thought the days Eastern time are slow, the nights are even slower here :)
[04:28] <robotgeek> heh
[04:44] <Madpilot> it's already midnight on the N. American eastern seaboard...
[04:45] <jjesse> not yet, 10:47pm
[04:45] <Madpilot> meh - added an hour, sorry!
[04:46] <jjesse> grin np
[06:27] <jsgotangco> salut all
[06:33] <robitaille> hi jsgotangco
[06:33] <jsgotangco> hey
[06:33] <jsgotangco> im in linuxworld ph
[06:33] <jsgotangco> hehe
[06:34] <jsgotangco> shitty wireless and all
[06:35] <robitaille> lucky you.   I'm at home contemplating the work still to be done tonight....
[06:35] <robitaille> work = real-life work as opposed to fun ubuntu work
[07:03] <rob^> wow, a lot happens when one is away for a day..
[07:49] <rob^> hmm..
[08:06] <Madpilot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/newbies  <-- this is a good page, but it should have a better title - redirect to ???? (need ideas here...)
[08:07] <rob^> bah. what happen to that UbuntuNewbies whatever it was group? I think it kind of fizzled out (surprise surprise).
[08:07] <Madpilot> heh
[08:07] <Burgundavia> nun
[08:08] <rob^> yeah thats it, haven't heard much lately from it
[08:08] <Madpilot> what do nuns have to do with it? ;)
[08:08] <rob^> haha
[08:09] <rob^> keeping the newbies Ubuntu-faithful
[08:09] <Madpilot> giving Burgundavia grief about his lousy typing is a hobby of mine
[08:09] <Burgundavia> ya ya
[08:09] <Madpilot> this is because I never make mistooks
[08:10] <Madpilot> slightly more seriously: anyone got ideas on what to do with that newbies page? no links to anywhere, and it should be capital-N anyway...
[08:11] <rob^> does the content belong/is it already covered elsewhere?
[08:11] <Madpilot> the content?
[08:11] <Burgundavia> not on the first twenty links on a search for "ubuntu newbies"
[08:11] <rob^> of the wiki page
[08:11] <Burgundavia> redirect to UserDocumentation
[08:12] <Madpilot> should, I guess. but I do like how the newbies page is written
[08:12] <Burgundavia> garbage
[08:12] <rob^> yeah
[08:12] <Madpilot> except that it recommends the root terminal, and stuff
[08:12] <Burgundavia> newbies don't need stuff about speeding stuff up and other DE's
[08:12] <Burgundavia> and FF themes
[08:12] <Madpilot> ah well, good idea, badly done. I'll delete and redir to UserDoc
[08:12] <Burgundavia> redirect to UserDoc, we will loose nothing
[08:13] <Burgundavia> hmm
[08:13] <Burgundavia> s/loose/lose
[08:16] <rob^> mmm gnome mud..
[08:16] <Madpilot> done
[08:16] <Madpilot> rob^: what?
[08:17] <rob^> buffy mud
[08:17] <Madpilot> buffy the vampire fondler?
[08:22] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, if you want something to do, merge https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkmanagerHowto into  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkManager
[08:24] <Madpilot> which URL should have the actual content?
[08:25] <Burgundavia> NetworkManager
[08:25] <Madpilot> OK. I'm just doing a straight cut-n-paste port, though. I'm still running Hoary, remember?
[08:26] <Burgundavia> that is fine
[08:26] <Burgundavia> it can be cleaned up later
[08:26] <Madpilot> OK
[08:27] <Burgundavia> grr, fonts in FF change every bloody day it seems
[08:27] <Madpilot> heh
[08:27] <Madpilot> have I told you about my fun with fonts in Opera?
[08:28] <Burgundavia> no
[08:29] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=101558
[08:30] <Burgundavia> hmm, fun
[08:30] <Madpilot> it was messy, and the cause of four seperate bug reports filed with Opera...
[08:31] <Madpilot> Opera's bug database doesn't seem to be publicly searchable, though :(
[08:31] <Burgundavia> ouch
[08:32] <Madpilot> yeah
[08:32] <Madpilot> I know it's closed-source, etc etc, but a searchable bug database would certainly save duplication & staff time...
[08:36] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: NetworkManager stuff moved. There's still a lot of how-to-compile-your-own stuff there that'll have to be nuked by someone else
[08:37] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, cheers
[08:51] <Madpilot> just fired off an email on the whole "how to organize UserDocumentation" thing... now off to blow people up in ET, back later
[09:34] <robotgeek> hi, i was away...by i wrote the NetworkmanagerHowto
[09:36] <robotgeek> is there a wiki for how to organise UserDocumentation...since i am not a member of the doc-team
[09:51] <mdke> hi robotgeek
[09:52] <mdke> what do you have in mind?
[09:52] <robotgeek> i am also working on a bluetooth howto, and a multisync howto
[09:52] <mdke> that's great
[09:52] <mdke> you can add links to your guides to the UserDocumentation page
[09:52] <robotgeek> the only reason i havent joined the doc-team is right now i don't know how much time i can devote
[09:53] <robotgeek> they are still drafts, so they are there...but not quite what i would like. mostly incomplete
[09:54] <mdke> that's great anyway
[09:55] <mdke> if you want you can mark them in CategoryCleanup
[09:55] <mdke> that way, someone who is looking for something to do can take a look at them to complete them
[09:55] <robotgeek> hmm..did not know that..i just marked them as drafts and left them without linking
[09:56] <mdke> :)
[09:56] <mdke> thanks for your work in any case
[09:56] <mdke> robotgeek, did you join our mailing list?
[09:56] <robotgeek> nope...
[09:56] <robotgeek> should i just join on launchpad?
[09:56] <robotgeek> i am a member of nun
[09:59] <robotgeek> i added both those to category cleanup
[10:01] <mdke> the launchpad group is currently really for members of the docteam who have upload rights to our repository
[10:01] <mdke> robotgeek, the best thing is to join the mailing list
[10:01] <mdke> and you can join the wiki team in LP if you like
[10:01] <robotgeek> good idea...
[10:02] <mdke> if you are interested in helping to cleanup and organise the wiki
[10:02] <robotgeek> yeah, i will join up
[10:02] <robotgeek> i just wanted the easier approach :) i'm lazy!
[10:03] <mdke> easier approach?
[10:04] <robotgeek> without much work on my side :)
[10:05] <robotgeek> i subscribed to the mailing list
[10:06] <robotgeek> i guess i'll hang in there, and then when i am sure about the amount of time i can spend, join the wiki team
[10:06] <mdke> cool
[10:06] <mdke> thanks for your work
[10:06] <robotgeek> no problem
[10:07] <robotgeek> were the articles good? :)
[10:11] <robotgeek> mdke: alrite, i guess i'll hang in here and on the list more often. gnite
[10:27] <klepas> moin
[10:28] <mdke> hi
[10:29] <klepas> :-)
[10:29] <jsgotangco> hi
[10:29] <mdke> hey jsgotangco
[10:29] <jsgotangco> whats up im in linuxworld
[10:29] <jsgotangco> heh
[10:30] <klepas> oh, nice
[10:30] <jsgotangco> i think i've become quite a celebrity locally
[10:30] <mdke> cool
[10:30] <jsgotangco> im surprised
[10:31] <mdke> me too
[10:32] <klepas> gotta grab that for Saturday's bug day
[10:32] <klepas> :)
[10:32] <jsgotangco> haha
[10:33] <jsgotangco> mdke, its silly, someone actually asked for a picture with me
[10:33] <mdke> awesome
[10:37] <Burgundavia> mdke, the quicktour should be finished tomorrow
[10:37] <mdke> good news
[10:38] <jsgotangco> nice
[10:38] <jsgotangco> with images?
[10:38] <mdke> what are we going to do about translating images?
[10:39] <jsgotangco> i don't think we have localised screenshots yet
[10:39] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, text only for now, images I will do over the next three days (I have them off)
[10:41] <jsgotangco> brb our wireless will have to reboot
[10:41] <mdke> k
[10:41] <jsgotangco> ill come back later
[10:41] <jsgotangco> let's discuss further
[10:41] <mdke> yes
[10:41] <mdke> Burgundavia, what did you have in mind for localising screenshots? any ideas?
[10:42] <Burgundavia> mdke, not currently
[10:42] <mdke> perhaps we can ask a few people with more experience of i18n
[10:42] <mdke> jordi, translating groups etc
[10:42] <Burgundavia> ya
[10:43] <Burgundavia> just pinged jordi
[10:44] <mdke> ok
[10:44] <mdke> we had a lot of fun yesterday with the faqguide
[10:44] <mdke> NOT!
[10:45] <Burgundavia> oh?
[10:45] <mdke> see the list
[10:45] <mdke> some huge problems with the pot
[10:46] <Madpilot> i18n screenshots basically means re-shotting most of them, I'd think...
[10:47] <mdke> sure
[10:47] <Madpilot> re-shooting, even...
[10:47] <mdke> it's just a question of who does it
[10:47] <mdke> and where they put them
[10:47] <mdke> i don't really think we can do them
[10:47] <mdke> too much time required
[10:48] <Madpilot> the translator teams are going to have to do them, along with their text translations
[10:48] <Burgundavia> mdke, oh ya, that
[10:49] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: just a thought, maybe you should figure out what screenshots you want, and produce a spec sheet for them to go along with the text?
[10:50] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, the spec would be "duplicate the english screenshot", with instructions for the tricky ones
[10:51] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: so you're going to produce 'draft' screenshots to go out with the translation packs, and do final ones after whatever relevant late freeze is past?
[10:51] <Burgundavia> sweet, gnome already has a guide
[10:51] <Burgundavia> http://live.gnome.org/ReleaseNotes_2fTranslating
[10:51] <mdke> yeah it should only be necessary for the shots that are not obviously self explanatory
[10:51] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, I am not worried about translations for the quicktour, to be honest
[10:52] <Madpilot> fair enough...
[10:52] <mdke> why?
[10:52] <Burgundavia> it would be nice, but it is not a mission critical piece of docs
[10:52] <mdke> i think it would be very nice indeed
[10:52] <mdke> locoteams can put the doc on their websites
[10:52] <Burgundavia> it is a marketing doc, nobody is going to not be able to do $foo if it doesn't get translated for release
[10:53] <mdke> marketing should be done in more languages than english though IMO
[10:53] <Burgundavia> yes it should, but the primary translating focus should be the faqguide
[10:55] <mdke> I'm sure the quicktour will not take up a lot of translators time
[10:55] <mdke> about-ubuntu was translated in about a day for many languages
[11:05] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, do you see adds on cbc.ca?
[11:05] <Burgundavia> s/adds/ads
[11:10] <Madpilot> nope
[11:11] <Madpilot> got an adblocker working in Opera now - it's a bit of a hack, but it's usually cool
[11:14] <Burgundavia> mdke, you got adblocking enabled?
[11:16] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: ewww, Dell ads... (just started FF, haven't been to CBC with it yet...)
[11:16] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, ok, they are still there
[11:25] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: across the top on the main page; down the right side on article pages, it seems. Ick.
[11:25] <Burgundavia> I wrote a very strongly worded letter to CBC and the the MP's about it
[11:25] <Madpilot> ...and the ads remain... ah well. at least when you adblock the top ad, it collapses neatly rather than leaving a blank rectangle...
[11:25] <Madpilot> anyway, I need sleep. Later, all.
[11:46] <mdke> Burgundavia, no
[11:46] <mdke> night Madpilot
[11:48] <Burgundavia> mdke, never mind
[11:48] <Burgundavia> mdke, the CBC is undergoing a major labour dispute and has apparently decides ads on its webpage is kosher
[11:49] <mdke> :D
[12:22] <Burgundavia> night all
[02:54] <WaterSevenUb> mdke, hey... in what context appears these strings to translate in the FAQ guide?   : "Split this FAQ Guide into multiple files to make it easier to edit. Also put this revision history in the correct order."
[02:54] <WaterSevenUb> mdke, "   	  	Align with Unofficial Ubuntu Guide 3.04"....
[02:54] <WaterSevenUb> those are strings that will not appear to the user right?
[03:45] <mdke> WaterSevenUb, correct, they are just revisions
[04:27] <jsgotangco> hi
[05:02] <jbailey> jsgotangco: hi
[05:03] <jbailey> jsgotangco: You're up late. =)
[05:03] <jsgotangco> hey
[05:03] <jsgotangco> its only 11pm
[05:03] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:03] <jsgotangco> i've been busy pimping at linuxworld
[05:03] <jsgotangco> so i haven't been around that much
[05:06] <jbailey> linuxworld?
[05:06] <jbailey> Where's that this year?
[05:06] <jsgotangco> nahh its the local linux world event
[05:06] <jsgotangco> we always have a linuxworld here too
[05:06] <jsgotangco> jbailey: i think its going to be in San francisco next year
[05:07] <jsgotangco> i have a cool pic i'll post it when i get to scan it later
[05:07] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:07] <jbailey> Ah, a bit far to trek to for me.
[05:07] <jbailey> Although I love the bay area.
[05:07] <jsgotangco> the linuxworld here is silly though
[05:07] <jsgotangco> it had microsoft as a major sponsor
[05:08] <jbailey> !!! =)
[05:08] <mdke> argh
[05:08] <mdke> i might put some translations in branches/breezy
[05:08] <mdke> there are quite a lot of about-ubuntu done already
[05:08] <jsgotangco> yeah they had 3 booth babes, good thing i got my ubuntu shirt from udu today they were actually  giving out pics
[05:09] <jsgotangco> i have me a pic in my udu shirt with 3 MS booth babes wearing their MS halters
[05:10] <jsgotangco> mdke: you can probably overwrite the existing ones it is a breezy branch anyways
[05:10] <mdke> yes i will
[05:10] <mdke> jbailey, do you fancy seeing if you can get them into the package?
[05:11] <jsgotangco> i haven't checked the status of about ubuntu in rosetta
[05:11] <mdke> it's good
[05:11] <mdke> loads of languages
[05:13] <jsgotangco> mdke: how come some still have 1 todo?
[05:13] <mdke> jsgotangco, because they do
[05:14] <jsgotangco> wonder what string is that
[05:14] <jsgotangco> even dutch has 1 todo
[05:14] <mdke> it varies
[05:14] <jsgotangco> portugues
[05:15] <mdke> spanish has left out "translator-credits"
[05:15] <mdke> pt_BR has left out a large paragraph about gnome
[05:15] <jsgotangco> w00t we have hebrew now!
[05:15] <jsgotangco> serbian! romanian!
[05:15] <mdke> etc
[05:15] <mdke> yep
[05:19] <jjesse> mdke:  thanks for fixing the typo i made i kuserguide :)
[05:20] <mdke> np
[05:20] <mdke> what country code is fa?
[05:21] <jsgotangco> fa as language?
[05:21] <mdke> must be persian
[05:21] <jsgotangco> farsi
[05:21] <jsgotangco> most probably
[05:22] <jbailey> mdke: Sorry, I hadn't noticed this window, lemme scroll back.
[05:22] <jbailey> mdke: Sure.  How do I get them out of Rosetta?
[05:22] <jbailey> =)
[05:23] <jsgotangco> mdke will pull it out and transform it back to xml and commit?
[05:23] <mdke> jbailey, i'm getting them
[05:23] <mdke> me me me
[05:23] <jbailey> w00h00
[05:23] <jbailey> I still need to upload ubuntu-docs
[05:23] <jbailey> Sorry I'm behind on this, guys.
[05:23] <mdke> np
[05:23] <jsgotangco> np
[05:23] <jsgotangco> how about the scrollkeeper bit?
[05:23] <mdke> i'm going to limit my role to getting them from rosetta and making xml
[05:24] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:24] <jsgotangco> ok i can probably do the omf files
[05:24] <mdke> some of them are there already so you should be able to copy
[05:25] <jsgotangco> mdke: sure but it'll still be edited/reviewed for correctness in the install path
[05:25] <jsgotangco> and probably generate a new id
[05:26] <mdke> shit
[05:26] <mdke> there is a bug in about-ubuntu.xml still
[05:26] <jsgotangco> eh?
[05:26] <mdke> if you open it in yelp, and go to the participate page, the icon that should only be on the first page is at the bottom
[05:27] <jsgotangco> its like that in hoary
[05:27] <jsgotangco> i never had the chance to tweak it
 should have been there instead
[05:28] <mdke> can you sort it?
[05:29] <jsgotangco> well not at this time but its trivial for one doc...
[05:29] <jsgotangco> let me check the correct syntax for it
[05:29] <mdke> k
[05:29] <jsgotangco> we'll probably end up editing the xml for even the translated doc for 1 or 2 lines
[05:35] <mdke> if you fix it in the original, we'll be ok
[05:36] <jsgotangco> upload a new pot then?
[05:36] <jsgotangco> ok gimme till tommorow when you wake up
[05:41] <highvoltage> i find lots of references on the wiki and site to the ubuntu manifesto, but i can't find the actual manifesto. does anyone have a link for me?
[05:44] <jsgotangco> now that you mention it...
[05:51] <highvoltage> now that i mention it?
[05:53] <jsgotangco> i dont know either...
[05:59] <mdke> jbailey, ok I've uploaded some xml files for some of the finished translations to the branch
[05:59] <jbailey> mdke: Cool, thanks!
[06:00] <jsgotangco> jbailey: you still have that blue highlight in your hair?
[06:01] <jbailey> jsgotangco: Most of them have fallen out now.  I think I have 2 or 3 left.
[06:01] <jbailey> jsgotangco: I'll be getting them redone in October, probably.
[06:01] <jsgotangco> heh
[06:02] <jbailey> Since it was my first set, I didn't know how to take care of them terribly well.