[00:10] <kromar> man that sucks, as soon as the mixer gets loaded the volume is turned down to 0
[00:22] <kromar> how can i create a shortcut on the desktop?
[00:23] <kromar> ah got it
[00:32] <kromar> man the sound quality is terribly bad.... extreem noise in the background:(
[00:33] <lean2501> i have the "relatime,errors=remount-ro" in my "/" and "relatime" in other mount points in fstab, i want to edit them to have "noatime", because this is a netbook, and i want it to not write so much to the disk
[00:46] <kromar> ok someone has any specific information on how to fix the reboot muting of my sound and extrem noise level?
[00:47] <Joelito> kromar: using pulseaudio?
[00:47] <kromar> Joelito: whats that?
[00:49] <Joelito> kromar: ok
[00:51] <Joelito> kromar: which version of xubuntu are you using?
[00:51] <kromar> 9.04
[00:52] <Joelito> open your xfc4 configuration page
[00:53] <kromar> where is that?
[00:53] <Joelito> find audio|sound..similar..I'm using spanish version..so, maybe be little different
[00:53] <Joelito> try by the xfce menu ;)
[00:55] <kromar> the only way i can open any sound settings is with the mixer....
[00:56] <Joelito> can you change with the mixer the audio manager
[00:56] <Joelito> between alsa,pulseaudio or other
[00:57] <kromar> yes
[00:57] <Joelito> do it :)
[00:58] <kromar> done it already, always the same result
[00:58] <kromar> muted sound after reboot
[00:59] <Joelito> and volume meter in enbaled or disabled?
[00:59] <kromar> with  lspci | grep -i audio my audio device is listed as ALC889A and with  aplay -l its listed as ALC885, why is that?
[00:59] <kromar> Joelito: what volume meter?
[01:00] <Joelito> you know, that knob to increase volume =)
[01:00] <Joelito> kromar: that you are using some alsa, try to use pulseaudio
[01:12] <kromar> gona reboot and see if it works
[01:14] <kromar> nope, muted again
[01:15] <kromar> can it be that the settings arent saved correctly?
[01:17] <Joelito> kromar: Nop, I don't have problems
[01:17] <Joelito> kromar: did you install something lately
[01:18] <kromar> its a fresh install
[01:19] <Joelito> oh
[01:22] <kromar> is there a command to save the sound settings manually?
[01:23] <Joelito> kromar: don't need too, system does it for you
[01:23] <sml1226> is there a 64 bit skype? or a softphone that can call skypeids?
[01:23] <Joelito> I think the installer went wrong in some point
[01:24] <kromar> no i reinstalled it about 10 times and its the same every time, even with different installation cds
[01:25] <Joelito> kromar: oh, so..I don't know..I don't have problems with sound...
[01:25] <Joelito> try to wait someone...at least I try to help =p
[01:26] <kromar> im looking for a solution for that for some month now, i waited long enough
[01:46] <kromar> how do i get rights to change the user settings?
[01:46] <kromar> never mind....
[01:50] <kromar> man that sucks... and thats the reason why i never really made the jump to this system. always some small problems which take hours to find a solution
[01:58] <n2diy> I have a new install of 8.04 on my test box, and I can't change my keyboard layout, or move my panels around? Applications-quit doesn't work, I can't drag a terminal icon to my desktop, and who knows what else is wrong? Is this a munged install, or can I work my way out of it?
[02:27] <Ollonk> anyone here willing to give me a hand with some issues/
[02:27] <Ollonk> ?
[02:28] <Ollonk> apparently not, I'll try the next channel ;)
[02:35] <kromar> ok i think i found the problem with the sound volume, the asound.state file gets reseted every time i reboot. why is this happening?
[04:31] <art_> can't get adobe flash to work in Xubuntu 9.04
[04:33] <art_> hello
[04:33] <wolfgang> hello
[04:34] <art_> hello
[04:34] <forces> alo
[04:34] <forces> A&T?
[04:35] <forces> art_, apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[04:35] <art_> installed it already
[04:36] <art_> still no adobe flash
[04:38] <art__> sorry got disconnected
[04:38] <forces> art_, which browser r u using?
[04:40] <art__> firefox the latest version
[04:40] <forces> 3.5?
[04:40] <art__> let me check
[04:40] <forces> I have 3.0.11
[04:40] <forces> os[Linux 2.6.30-020630-generic i686] distro[Ubuntu "jaunty" 9.04] cpu[2 x Genuine Intel(R) CPU           T2400  @ 1.83GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 1000MHz] mem[Physical: 2.0GB, 77.6% free] disk[Total: 214.2GB, 67.2% free] video[Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA Intel]
[04:41] <art__> 3.0.11
[04:41] <forces> hmm
[04:42] <forces> have you installed flash right now?
[04:43] <art__> i tired the x86 version and moved it to .mozillza/plugins, but it didn't work
[04:43] <forces> did you restart your browser?
[04:43] <art__> it doesn't even show up in the plugins info
[04:43] <art__> yes I restarted it
[04:45] <art_> does the fact that I'm running Xubuntu on my Ps3 have anything to do with my problems
[04:46] <forces> remove the plugin installed manually
[04:47] <art_> how? just delete the .so file from the directory
[04:49] <forces> I don't know
[04:49] <forces> how did you install it?
[04:49] <art_> I just removed the .so file from .mozilla/plugins
[04:49] <art_> now what
[04:54] <art_> forces: did I lose you?
[04:55] <forces> now restart the browser
[04:55] <forces> and try again
[04:56] <art_> I'm not sure I installed it correctly
[04:57] <art_> the file I downloaded is libflashplayer.so
[04:57] <forces> try with other browser
[04:57] <forces> you have 2 plugins installed
[04:57] <forces> 2 flash
[04:57] <forces> that's the problem
[04:58] <art_> what the plugin?
[04:58] <art_> when I try the files from abobe I get the "i386" error
[05:02] <forces> art_, try another browser
[05:02] <forces> is just a test
[05:02] <forces> try with opera
[05:03] <art_> where do I get opera
[05:04] <maduser> sudo apt-get install opera
[05:06] <art_> didn't work
[05:06] <art_> Package opera is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:06] <art_> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[05:06] <art_> is only available from another source
[05:06] <art_> E: Package opera has no installation candidate
[05:07] <maduser> are you trying to get the falsh player?
[05:07] <maduser> if the deb isn't working then just get the manual installer
[05:09] <art_> yes. how do i get the manual installer
[05:09] <maduser> adobe website
[05:10] <maduser> the tar.gz
[05:10] <forces> art_, www.opera.com
[05:10] <art_> let me download it
[05:10] <forces> =.=
[05:10] <forces> google is your best friend
[05:12] <art_> should i save the flash file or open it?
[05:14] <forces> did you try with opera?
[05:14] <art_> not yet
[05:15] <art_> which version of opera?
[05:16] <art_> linux x86 64, powerpc, linux i386
[05:17] <art_> I have a PS3
[05:18] <maduser> your running linux on it?
[05:19] <art_> xubuntu 9.04
[05:19] <forces> art_, type uname -r
[05:20] <forces> uname -a
[05:20] <forces> in a shell
[05:20] <art_> sorry I'm a newb. not sure what you mean.
[05:22] <art_> you mean in terminal
[05:22] <wolfgang> eee xubuntu on ps3 jealouse the wii sucks
[05:22] <wolfgang> nah the wiis pim sometimes
[05:22] <wolfgang> pimp*
[05:22] <forces> art_, yes
[05:22] <forces> terminal == konsole == shell
[05:23] <art_> Linux ubuntu 2.6.28-6-powerpc64-smp #20-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 17 09:59:41 UTC 2009 ppc64 GNU/Linux
[05:24] <forces> powerpc
[05:24] <forces> use powerpc
[05:24] <art_> ok
[05:25] <art_> the option is ubuntu 7.10 gutsy gibbon. Is that ok
[05:26] <forces> o_0
[05:26] <wolfgang> o_0
[05:26] <forces> and ubuntu 9.04?
[05:26] <art_> not listed
[05:27] <forces> art_, type in a shell
[05:27] <forces> or terminal
[05:27] <forces> sudo apt-get instal epiphany-browser
[05:27] <forces> try with that browser
[05:32] <art_> still installing
[05:33] <art_> appreciate the help
[05:35] <forces> i'm tired
[05:35] <art_> Sorry about that.
[05:35] <art_> installed now what
[05:44] <art_> do I need to be logged on as the root user instead of the local user
[08:22] <jadez03> stupid WicD
[10:14] <psycho_oreos> is there a possibility for me to make apt-get download from one of my other hosts which is running the same distro? (both are xubuntu 9.04). I was thinking of a possibility with trying to do network mounting of /var/cache/apt/archives maybe over smbfs.
[10:17] <psycho_oreos> I prefer not to download over the internet right now because for one I am on internet that's already capped, so the speed is slow enough. The other is that it will be a pain for me to update more xubuntu boxens and getting them to download the same package (thus its a waste of bandwidth and un-necessary redundancy)
[10:19] <TheSheep> you can install a .deb file with gdebi or dpkg -i
[10:19] <TheSheep> so just copy the files over and install them
[10:20] <psycho_oreos> hmm that wouldn't be bad idea but what about somehow simplifying the process? because there's almost always updates available.. I was thinking if I shared that directory, it also contains a database file which I hope is what apt-get will be referring to rather than some hidden list somewhere else
[10:21] <psycho_oreos> or some really confusing process
[10:27] <psycho_oreos> previously I was thinking of setting up my own server for all the debian packages but its really difficult now with keys and what not.. what a pain in the ass and plus if my idea works, I can shave some more bandwidth + space off by keeping all the debs on one box and the other just installs stuff from that one box without having to really download the deb packages and then update
[10:33] <psycho_oreos> ok correction, its not in /var/cache/apt/archives for that db, its in /var/cache/apt.. and its not really a db its a file named pkgcache.bin which file reports it as just data.. was hoping for some useful ascii stuff that is readable so I can quickly determine if this will resolve my issue or not.. I'll use strings
[10:34] <psycho_oreos> hmm
[10:44] <psycho_oreos> seems as though the information I got is more like a dump of whatever is the output from apt-get update lol
[10:44] <psycho_oreos> I'll try my method once I've downloaded the updates first.. I'll install smb
[11:10] <SiDi> psycho_oreos: i know there is a way to turn one of your machines into a repository
[11:10] <SiDi> and other machines would use it
[11:10] <SiDi> but i dont know how you can tell which packages you want for the repository
[11:11] <psycho_oreos> SiDi, well I'm hoping for simple stuff like when I hit apt-get upgrade (after seeing theres new updates available) it will download from the host.. however, if I can cut off the extra downloading that'll be a bonus but its not a huge necessity
[11:11] <SiDi> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LocalAptGetRepository
[11:12] <psycho_oreos> when I mean download I mean like downloading the deb packages onto the computer itself and then installing it from there
[11:12] <SiDi> psycho_oreos: the only difficult thing will be to setup the local repo and chose which packages should be on it
[11:12] <psycho_oreos> hmm thanks, I'll check the link
[11:12] <SiDi> psycho_oreos: i suppose there would be a way to make the local repo use the cache directory of apt as a list of packages, and then these packages would be available for your local machines
[11:13] <psycho_oreos> well it shouldn't be too difficult, there's minor differences between my boxens and I don't use optimised packages
[11:13] <psycho_oreos> yeah I was thinking of mounting them over smb
[11:14] <psycho_oreos> like share /var/cache/apt over smbfs and then mount it onto the other computers as if its their own.. tricking synaptic and what not into installing it rather than not seeing it there and download the packages from the real repository
[11:15] <SiDi> its better to setup a local repo :)
[11:15] <psycho_oreos> hmm
[11:16] <psycho_oreos> but wouldn't that also need one to generate gpg keys and what not? then there's preferences over which repo to use unless I disabled all the internet ones and to use the local one?
[11:21] <psycho_oreos> anyway thanks for the inputs, I'll try my method first and if that doesn't work I'll setup a local repository
[11:38] <jadez03> this is ground control to major tom
[11:38] <jadez03> take your protein pills and put your helmet on
[12:29] <kromar> hi
[12:39] <kromar> anyone knows how i can stop asound.state to get reset after rebooting?
[12:56] <kromar> ok my sound problem seems to be that alsa is not started on boot. how can i make it start when booting?
[12:59] <SiDi> kromar: hm, ps aux | grep pulse please
[12:59]  * SiDi had an idea
[13:00] <kromar> that does nothing
[13:00] <SiDi> ah crap
[13:00] <SiDi> its not PA then :(
[13:01] <SiDi> kromar: no idea then, sorry. Feel free to try #ubuntu though :/
[13:10] <kromar> looks like the solution was an easy one... will reboot to see if that works:O
[13:12] <SiDi> kromar: so ?
[13:13] <kromar> negative... did not work
[13:14] <SiDi> :(
[13:15] <kromar> well someone in the ubuntu channel told me to activate the alsa service under App>system>services but that didnt help
[13:17] <kromar> when i enter sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils start in a terminal it gets unmuted so i guess that needs to be executed at boot, right?
[13:31] <znag> anyone know how to make thunar launch with maximum window size?
[14:22] <kromar> so i reinstalled xubuntu again and set the volume to 50% before updating and after the first reboot the sound is not muted o_O
[14:22] <kromar> gona reboot again to see if it stays that way
[14:25] <kromar> still got sound after second reboot... hurrayy. gona turn the volume up and reboot again...
[14:25] <SiDi_> kromar: you must write a bug report forthis issue :/
[14:26] <kromar> gona test a bit more later today to see if it keeps working or if it fails again
[14:30] <kromar> yeah seems to work for now.... till later
[15:30] <mikubuntu> i am trying to make an Endura Video Player work in Wine on my ubuntu 904 laptop.  i received a disk from a courthouse video system, and this is the player that came with an .exe file on the disk.  the player is running, it has the video file in it, but is not rendering any video... is it possible i need to 'install' some codecs to wine?  if so, how do i 'permanently' install those?  thanks...
[15:30] <mikubuntu> ...to anyone who can help!
[15:31] <mikubuntu> yes, i've askd the question b4 here.  still  can't get this dang thing to play...
[16:10] <Kangarooo> hello I pressed in pidgin Help Help translate this application and it opens me link in opera.. but FF is default..
[16:11] <Kangarooo> default aplication is FF in xubuntu and in pidgin also default link opener is FF
[16:11] <Kangarooo> this is not first time when something opens in opera but I want it to open in FF
[16:39] <ivan_> всём привет
[16:39] <ivan_> здесь по русски кто-нибудь говорит?
[16:39] <knome> ivan_, english please...
[16:40] <charlie-tca> !ru
[16:40] <ivan_> Who can help me in one question? I'm not running torrent client in Xubuntu 9.04
[16:43] <ivan_> help please?
[16:43] <charlie-tca> !question | ivan_
[17:23] <psycho_oreos> from linux to linux, how does one connect to an xdmcp session without logging out of the current one on their local host? i.e. running xdmcp-"client" in windowed mode for example
[17:51] <nikolam> What a lowsy Microsoft move.. http://news.cnet.com/8301-13880_3-10277784-68.html
[17:51] <nikolam> I am one more time convinced that closed source OS`s should be avoided as much as possible
[18:00] <mdshaw89> nikolam: yep - I noticed this today on my netbook after a patching - wish I could wipe Windoze but unfortunately Netflix has no valid Linux option.
[18:01] <kromar> SiDi: looks like the sound is working now, how do i make a error report?
[18:02] <kromar> oh someone knows when SiDi will be back?
[18:13] <psycho_oreos> mdshaw89, ever tried running that software in vm?
[18:15] <mdshaw89> psycho_oreos:  yep - works fine but you have to have a enough of a machine to make it useable
[18:16] <psycho_oreos> mdshaw89, well I suppose you could try the stripped down versions of windows.. not that they are great but it'll probably suffice
[18:16] <mdshaw89> I'm using an Asus 900HD netbook as a TV video streamer - works fine - but sucks I have to run Windoze
[18:16] <psycho_oreos> can't find open-source alternative?
[18:16] <mdshaw89> LOL
[18:16] <mdshaw89> nope
[18:17] <mdshaw89> believe me I've looked
[18:17] <mdshaw89> Netflix has been very sneaky about their Roku box
[18:17] <psycho_oreos> as with all other windows only based programs
[18:18] <mdshaw89> I think it really sucks that Linux isn't good enough for a direct player but certainly good enough to run their set-top box
[18:19] <psycho_oreos> I'd say its the fault of the driver used in the process to render graphics as such :p but then again, why complain when you're getting all this for next to nothing?
[18:19] <mdshaw89> I'm surprised RMS hasn't pointed this out.
[18:20] <psycho_oreos> RMS?
[18:20] <mdshaw89> Richard Stallman
[18:20] <mdshaw89> FSF advocate
[18:20] <psycho_oreos> what about what I said?
[18:21] <mdshaw89> Don't understand?
[18:21] <psycho_oreos> probably because it might leave a flattery image on the developers themselves :p
[18:21] <mdshaw89> "flattery image"???
[18:21] <psycho_oreos> and no my head isn't working too well, its almost half past 3 in my time
[18:22] <mdshaw89> k - no prob - I'm in NC - its 1:22P here - :)
[18:23] <psycho_oreos> if you wrote programs for free, you're struggling but barely managing to get by everyday living.. someone comes along uses your software which is free as you licensed the software as... they then say hey why should I complain when its free? wouldn't that be bit of a bad feeling on your part knowing that you have donated something to the society and am struggling but this person says that he's not complaining when its all for free (m
[18:23] <psycho_oreos> eaning that he's kinda like a freeloader) no?
[18:23] <psycho_oreos> Sat Jul  4 03:23:38 EST 2009
[18:26] <psycho_oreos> I'm not implying that all developers are broke but because linux is so diverse that any one of us can be jobless, yet writing programs and contributing for free
[18:30] <mdshaw89> Keep in mind I'm NOT an RMS fan - I think the guy is a nut!  But I do think that Netflix should make a Linux player available for customers that run Linux - its a bit of a discrimination that since I prefer to run Linux you make me go buy an extra seperate piece of hardware that you offer to other customers for free
[18:32] <psycho_oreos> Netflix amongst many other conceited corporate entities still slaps the same old reasons that because linux is so diverse, its hard to make one for every linux distribution whereas in windows, its unified, one file does most if not all
[18:33] <mdshaw89> yep - I agree
[18:33] <psycho_oreos> most likely in other words, they cbf making a binary blob program for every linux distribution... or better yet, they want to keep it as proprietary binary blob version like broadcrap
[18:34] <mdshaw89> I use Hulu too and until recently Joost - but I do wish there was a company that offered this service to users world-wide - I think a huge opportunity is being missed
[18:34] <psycho_oreos> oh well its their loss not yours
[18:36] <mdshaw89> yep
[18:36] <psycho_oreos> I am already doing my bit to not recommend such softwares/devices to other people unless if they have a good reason that they must use it
[18:37] <psycho_oreos> in business world.. there is a common saying.. "one bad customer brings 10 bad customers"
[18:39] <psycho_oreos> effectively meaning that if we started taking on the stance of snubbing companies which snubs linux and its movement, we maybe able to turn the large mass around and inhibit their sales/revenues
[18:57] <cemunal> i installed a command line system with 8.04 LTS alternate CD. i want to install xorg, gdm, xfce. And a package which configures my printer auto. but which package? can somebody help me?
[18:57] <psycho_oreos> apt-get install xubuntu-desktop ?
[18:59] <forces> no
[18:59] <forces> cemunal, http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20090504#feature
[18:59] <mikubuntu> hey guys.  my friend finally convinced her daughter that since her vista was frozen up that it was time to go ubuntu.  i gave her an xubuntu disk, but she says that vista has some password lock that will not let her load the disk.  can this be?
[19:00] <psycho_oreos> mikubuntu, she's making up excuses
[19:00] <forces> kick her
[19:00] <psycho_oreos> does she even know how to get into the bios?
[19:01] <mikubuntu> i mean, theres no such a thing, right?  yes, i've taught her b4 , we've installed on other boxes, so i don't know
[19:01] <mikubuntu> guess i will have to make a house call
[19:02] <cemunal> forces: printer?
[19:02] <forces> :O
[19:02] <forces> ha!
[19:03] <forces> xubuntu-desktop?
[19:03] <psycho_oreos> mikubuntu, she's lying, obviously, making stories up or she's a real blonde
[19:04] <cemunal> forces: printer support on minimal xubuntu 8.04 lts
[19:17] <cemunal> will release xubuntu 8.04.3 lts?
[19:17] <cemunal> as a CD
[19:22] <forces> no
[19:22] <forces> the last release was xubuntu 8.04.1
[21:17] <slow-motion> hi
[21:36] <SiDi> hi
[22:26] <magnetron> hi. my xfce returns to some profile that i previously saved by accident. how do i delete this profile so i use the default instead?
[22:30] <SiDi> magnetron: hello, remove .cache/sessions
[22:30] <SiDi> and you should be ok
[22:30] <magnetron> SiDi→ thank you
[23:07] <SiDi> !info gedit
[23:07] <SiDi> !info gedit karmic
[23:43] <kromar> what do i need to watch youtube on linux?
[23:46] <Slonkie> flash player
[23:46] <Slonkie> adobe-flashplugin is in the repos
[23:46] <kromar> hm installed it but get no picture, only sound
[23:47] <Slonkie> reboot your system
[23:51] <SiDi> kromar: can you stop running through every single documented and non-documented issue please ? :D
[23:52] <kromar> i would love to....
[23:57] <kromar> ah got it, i installed the 64bit plugin and the 32 bit plugin was installed which caused the problem
[23:57] <kromar> is there a divx web player for linux?


[07:52] <dholbach> good morning
[14:13] <Seshpenguin> hi
[14:55] <dholbach> Community Q&A starting on http://ubuntuonair.com in about 5m. Today we'll have David Barth talking about HTML5 in Ubuntu.
[14:57] <toor28> hi all
[14:58] <FROST_> hello from germany
[14:59] <toor28> why gemarny ? hi all :D
[15:00] <ChloeWolfieGirl> heyo
[15:00] <mhall119> toor28: because Germany is awesome
[15:00] <ChloeWolfieGirl> I AM CHLOE HERE ME ROAR, meow... xD
[15:00] <FROST_> please wait, i must get a beer :D
[15:00] <mhall119> at least I assume it is, all I've seen is the inside of Frankfurt airport
[15:01] <nik90> dholbach: we see you
[15:01] <remon1496> its working;)
[15:01] <ChloeWolfieGirl> it is work x3
[15:02] <FROST_> uhmm, very bad sound quality
[15:03] <ChloeWolfieGirl> HI Popey x3
[15:03] <nik90> hello everyone
[15:03] <mhall119> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam
[15:04] <mhall119> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/2868/ for tracking team events
[15:04] <mhall119> hangouts killing *everybody*'s browser
[15:05] <FROST_> 1+ mhall119
[15:06] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: has Popey tried joining in Firefox or Chromium?
[15:06] <remon1496> is it just me or is the quility at 720p still very low?
[15:06] <ChloeWolfieGirl> oh I thought popey disapered x\d
[15:06] <mhall119> dholbach: popey: talk about tomorrow's workshops
[15:06] <FROST_> hello cat :D
[15:06] <ChloeWolfieGirl> KYITTY KYAT X3
[15:07] <zyga> hey :-)
[15:07] <zyga> dholbach: you've changed :>
[15:08] <m6569101303> Does Cordova+Oxide support the Grid Unit?
[15:08] <JoshStrobl> QUESTION: Anything exciting coming to the HTML5 + Javascript APIs for Ubuntu Touch / Ubuntu for Devices? I've mainly seen stuff in the mailing list for QML, Qt, etc.
[15:08] <mhall119> m6569101303: start your question with QUESTION or it might not be seen
[15:08] <m6569101303> QUESTION Does Cordova+Oxide support the Grid Unit?
[15:09] <dholbach> zyga, an experiment ;-)
[15:10] <dholbach> m6569101303, I'll direct the question at our expert once he's here - shouldn't be much longer
[15:10] <remon1496> QUESTION: is there coming a whatsapp app? written in html5 so we can use it on the desktop and the phone simetamiusly
[15:10] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: where could we see the new designs for Music and is there any plan for the gallery to make it suit the new look and feel and bottom edge?
[15:10] <FROST_> stream down?
[15:10] <JoshStrobl> remon1496, you know, if it was written in qml / js or qt / c++ it'd still be multi-platform
[15:10] <JoshStrobl> FROST_, no
[15:11] <ChloeWolfieGirl> FROST_,  working for me
[15:11] <Knightmare_> QUESTION: Do you think that ubuntu touch lack of popular apps that would be found on the apple/google apps store will hurt the commercial launch of the operating system?
[15:12] <JoshStrobl> Knightmare_, I can watch Youtube, browse Google+, check Gmail, etc. through Ubuntu Touch.
[15:12] <remon1496> JoshStrobl good to hear, but since whatsapp is the most populiar messaging on all platforms i would like to so it on ubuntu touch/desktop as well,
[15:12] <JoshStrobl> Knightmare_, They aren't native apps, but Google doesn't even support Windows Phone.
[15:13] <mhall119> remon1496: the problem we'll have with whatsapp is they don't want it used on tablets or desktops, and our whole platform story is that you can use the same apps on all devices
[15:13] <zyga> for anyone that wants to see/learn about how some of us code, I'm recording live videos with all of the work that I'm doing on the checkbox application for Ubuntu
[15:13] <nik90> zyga: really? Where?
[15:14] <Knightmare_> JoshStrobl but the majority of users who use phones today are always moving to the next social media experiment and If they have closed software like whatsapp that will really hurt ubuntu touch's chance in my opinion.
[15:14] <zyga> nik90: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRGrmUhQo5P9hTbVskIIjoQ
[15:15] <FROST_> QUESTION: Yesterday German news portals have announced a "ChinaOS". The government in China has this been commissioned, and it will bring many new features. It is based on Ubuntu, and also be available for mobile devices. Can you confirm that? Or do you know something about this project? Or are you working on it?
[15:15] <zyga> nik90: specifically https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2PeEY58_WyemJSNEK7zN7OihTodGnqfV
[15:15] <zyga> nik90: it's mostly python but QML is showing up regularly too
[15:15] <mhall119> good luck guys, I'll be back later
[15:15] <zyga> nik90: and I expect more and more QML in episodes this week
[15:16] <nik90> zyga: ooh cool
[15:16] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: What would make ubuntu touch feel successful to you? is it a failure to you if doesn't ship as many phones as windows or dare I say android, or is it successful as soon as you can do everything you could do on android on UTouch?
[15:17] <JoshStrobl> ChloeWolfieGirl, personally, if Canonical can ship as many phones to consumers as Jolla does with their device, I'd consider it a success.
[15:19] <nshiell> QUSTION: What is Ubuntu's relationship with GitHub, are Ubuntu Touch apps on gitHub etc?
[15:20] <ChloeWolfieGirl> we miss kitty kyat xD
[15:20] <remon1496> byby kitty
[15:20] <nshiell> my cat used to walk over the keybaord as i typed, he wrote good code
[15:20] <remon1496> nshiell genius:P
[15:21] <zyga> QUESTION: gallery app and camera's built in gallery (which is little-known) seem redundant, what is the expected evolution of the two components
[15:21] <JoshStrobl> nshiell, Ubuntu Touch apps are available on Launchpad. GitHub is used in other projects, like Juju.
[15:21] <ChloeWolfieGirl> nshiell, +1
[15:23] <BabyWombat> hi all
[15:23] <ChloeWolfieGirl> hey BabyWombat
[15:23] <nik90> nshiell: also there are many 3rd party ubuntu touch apps available in github like https://github.com/sonrisesoftware/project-dashboard, https://github.com/Bacon2D/Bacon2D etc etc
[15:23] <remon1496> QUESTION: is html5 integrated in unity?
[15:24] <remon1496> sorry newbie
[15:24] <JoshStrobl> remon1496, HTML5 is a markup language, do you mean the Javascript APIs?
[15:24] <Knightmare_> QUESTION: When will the online accounts integrate with the native/web apps so I don't have to keep entering my credentials?
[15:25] <remon1496> JoshStrobl, yes, the API's
[15:26] <BabyWombat> when will Ubuntu browser replace Firefox?
[15:26] <m6569101303> QUESTION to HTML5 Theme devs: Have you thought to create UI components for HTML5 using polymer.js (http://www.polymer-project.org/) as a better alternative to the current ubuntu-html5-theme?
[15:26] <JoshStrobl> BabyWombat, it won't
[15:26] <BabyWombat> why not?
[15:26] <JoshStrobl> m6569101303, meh @ polymer
[15:26] <JoshStrobl> BabyWombat, why would it?
[15:27] <remon1496> BabyWombat, why replace, you can use both?
[15:27] <FROST_> QUESTION: Yesterday German news portals have announced a "ChinaOS". The government in China has this been commissioned, and it will bring many new features. It is based on Ubuntu, and also be available for mobile devices. Can you confirm that? Or do you know something about this project? Or are you working on it?
[15:28] <BabyWombat> not replace but be default
[15:28] <remon1496> FROST_, a Ubuntu based os for both desktop and phone?
[15:29] <FROST_> yes
[15:31] <kasztral> QUESTION: will we see a greater convergence between the mobile phone with the desktop (similar to what KDE are working on with kdeconnect)?
[15:31] <remon1496> FROST_ , sound interesting, but i don't think they work together with canonical
[15:32] <FROST_> Quote the newsportal: The Chinese government has developed the successor of Kylin OS in collaboration with Canonical for desktops and laptops.
[15:33] <JoshStrobl> FROST_, you literally just said "yes" to it being for both desktop and phone. the quote says desktops and laptops, not phones
[15:33] <BabyWombat> when will you guys replace default gtk apps with qt/qml ones on the desktop?
[15:33] <nshiell> I don't understand the difference at the moement
[15:34] <nshiell> There are already some great QT apps
[15:34] <FROST_> With OS China, the Chinese government presented an operating system for mobile phones, tablets and other devices. A first promo video gives a meaningful insight into the strange familiar system. Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bvv-eXIcQug
[15:36] <Knightmare_> But then you have a chicken and egg scenario. Who will buy a phone that doesnt have popular apps on it?
[15:37] <katrevendis> hello
[15:38] <remon1496> knightmare_ youv got a point there, but i think the chinse will clone the populair apps:P
[15:38] <Knightmare_> lol :D
[15:39] <katrevendis> why protools is not compatible on ubuntu
[15:39] <katrevendis> ?
[15:39] <JoshStrobl> katrevendis, what?
[15:41] <JoshStrobl> katrevendis, your question made no sense
[15:41] <katrevendis> i tried installed protools on ubuntu but its does not allowed
[15:41] <JoshStrobl> oh you mean Pro Tools the software
[15:41] <katrevendis> yesh the DAW
[15:42] <JoshStrobl> katrevendis, Linux isn't a supported platform for Pro Tools.
[15:42] <JoshStrobl> katrevendis, it has nothing to do with Ubuntu, it has to do with the fact the Pro Tools developers don't support Linux.
[15:43] <katrevendis> wow i really understand you all guys
[15:43] <katrevendis> thnaks for good
[15:43] <katrevendis> so what about the Adobe Audition
[15:43] <FROST_> thanks :)
[15:44] <JoshStrobl> katrevendis, if it doesn't support Linux and doesn't work in WINE, then it just doesn't work. once again, this is an issue with the developers, not Ubuntu.
[15:44] <dbarth__> sorry i had to leave; thanks everyone
[15:44] <katrevendis> okay i get it
[15:44] <BabyWombat> why is Qt Ubuntu's SDK if Ubuntu Desktop default apps are GTK apps
[15:44] <jnxd> QUESTION: RTM status? Last I heard it was scheduled for the 28th.
[15:44] <m6569101303> QUESTION once more about Grid Unit in Cordova/Oxide: Is it very difficult to implement something as window.Unity.units.gu() ?
[15:45] <Knightmare_> QUESTION: Will appArmor be employed as part of the security model on Ubuntu Touch?
[15:45] <JoshStrobl> jnxd, the RTM silos are already being used and synced
[15:45] <JoshStrobl> Knightmare_, I believe apps are already constrained with AppArmor.
[15:45] <Knightmare_> oh cool thanks for letting me know JoshStrobl
[15:46] <jnxd> silos?
[15:47] <JoshStrobl> jnxd, RTM silos are testing silos where code merge and automated testing occurs. if you are asking WHEN the OS will be released to manufacturers, I doubt you'll get an answer.
[15:47] <nshiell> Thanks, I was asking as lots of people seem to like using it these days
[15:48] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION could you talk about any agreements you have with other companys and ubuntu touch, we know VLC is coming but any updates and are there any new agreements you can talk about?
[15:49] <BabyWombat> Gnome desktop apps are evolving in a way that you won't be able integrate in Ubuntu in the future, when will you replace them?
[15:50] <jnxd> Thanks, JoshStrobl. I am trying to port Ubuntu Touch to my Xperia L. Do you suggest I should wait for the RTM, or there won't be a geat advantage ?
[15:50] <FROST_> i must leave now, thanks everyone
[15:50] <remon1496> kdeconnect is interesting..
[15:50] <JoshStrobl> jnxd, there won't be a difference really. RTM silos will just have specific patches for officially supported devices from OEMs.
[15:51] <remon1496> https://community.kde.org/KDEConnect
[15:51] <jnxd> JoshStrobl, thanks again
[15:51] <JoshStrobl> jnxd, np
[15:55] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION:how and why is Ubuntu and Ubuntu touch so awesome
[15:56] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: I love Unity, I love the new Gnome, Could you grab Unity and Gnome and smash them together to make the ultimate desktop?
[15:58] <JoshStrobl> popey, don't forget you can follow the mailing list!
[16:00] <JoshStrobl> QUESTION: popey, when is your next chicken chasing session?
[16:01] <popey> Thanks everyone!
[16:01] <dholbach> thanks everyone! :)
[16:02] <popey> haha
[16:02] <JoshStrobl> popey, aww, no answer to my question :P
[16:02] <popey> sorry, missed it
[16:02] <JoshStrobl> in all seriousness though, great session!
[16:03] <JoshStrobl> I checked out the dash today and was like "holy crap, the bottom-edge gesture to get to scopes and dash pages is amazing"


[15:09] <cmaloney> morning pt. 2
[15:15] <cmaloney> On 2015-11-30, 19 hours from now, the membership
[15:15] <cmaloney> of Ubuntu-Michigan (ubuntu-us-mi) (which you are the owner of) in the Verified LoCo Teams (locoteams-verified) Launchpad team
[15:15] <cmaloney> is due to expire.
[15:17] <Scary_Guy> #openbsd-us-mi then? :P
[15:17] <cmaloney> heh
[15:17] <cmaloney> Nah, nothing that horrible
[15:18] <Scary_Guy> That's the only reason why I mentioned it.  my friend wants me to switch but I just can't bring myself to it
[15:18] <Scary_Guy> even if it is the most secure
[15:18] <cmaloney> Meanth the verification expiration isn't that horrible
[15:19] <Scary_Guy> Still, two weeks notice would be nice.  then again I'm kinda new
[15:19] <cmaloney> We had notice. :)
[15:19] <cmaloney> Check scrollback from a few days back
[15:22] <Scary_Guy> I didn't see it, so it's not in the log
[15:22] <Scary_Guy> I must have been OL then
[15:23] <Scary_Guy> also, I don't actually keep logs :/
[15:25] <Scary_Guy> I really should since my memory is shit though
[15:26] <Scary_Guy> anyway, bbl.  building a friend a new system and ruining it with win10 :(
[15:42] <cmaloney> woo woo
[15:42] <cmaloney> have fun
[17:06] <jrwren> openbsd is more secure, it is also much slower.
[17:06] <jrwren> "more secure" for some definition of secure
[23:45] <cmaloney> Evening


[22:01] <ret2libc> hi! does ubuntu still uses initramfs/initrd? i'm trying to look into them, but i cannot find anything interesting. initrd just contains a microcode and the initramfs included in the kernel source ./usr has just /dev/console and root.
[22:36] <TJ-> ret2libc: you're only seeing the prefix
[22:37] <ret2libc> TJ- what do you mean? do you have ref/links?
[22:40] <TJ-> ret2libc: the microcode is 'prefixed' onto the initrd.img file as a binary concatenation
[22:41] <ret2libc> TJ- ok but where's all the /bin, /dev, /init, etc. stuff?
[22:49] <apw> lsinitramfs shows the full content
[22:50] <ret2libc> apw: whoa... nice! thanks a lot! now the only thing i need to understand is what's the difference between that cmd and cpio :)
[22:50] <apw> re t
[22:50] <apw> ret
[22:51] <apw> ret2libc: there are multiple cpio archives back to back in an initramfs
[22:55] <ret2libc> apw: thank you, now i know where to look!
[23:24] <TJ-> ret2libc: sorry; been working on something else. I wrote a script that extracts it if you want it: http://iam.tj/projects/ubuntu/initramfs-extract


[07:01] <studiobot> mohsensedighii was added by: mohsensedighii
 hello there
 Hey, welcome Mohsen!
[23:28] <craigbass76> Anyone got a recommendation on how to get live video from my Nikon D3200 to Ubuntu Studio? I've got the USB cable, but not sure the app I'm looking for.
[23:42] <OerHeks> hmm, 2015 .. https://sourceforge.net/projects/eos-movrec/files/
[23:45] <OerHeks> or https://www.phoyosystem.com/photo-booth-software/


 i accidently broke my kernel when trying to update it, with not enough diskspace, any tips on how to solve it in Ubuntu?
 Have patience in the other channels where you asked, you really won't get your answer faster asking everywhere. Since you use it as rolling rhino which isn't suited for daily usage and inexperienced users i'd recommend using LTS versions.
[05:57] <guiverc> you actually risk getting ignored by cross-posting
 that too
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 https://ubuntucinnamon.org/ubuntu-cinnamon-20-10-testing-week-is-underway/
[18:02] <valorie> thanks@


[02:58] <dylygs> Hey, quick question, I have a new xubuntu install here, and I'm trying to pair my Avantree Audition headphones with bluetooth, but they don't even show up under blueman or bluetoothctl. I've successfully found, paired, & used a bluetooth speaker, so I'm a bit confused...
[09:46] <cmb_> I have an old Sony Vaio PCG-31311M that has run XUbuntu in various flavours over the years. Last week wireless stopped working while trying to connect to a network. In the WiFi applet it reports as "Disabled" and refuses to be enabled. Eventually tried a clean install (tried 16.10 and 16.04.2, in both cases reformatting the disk so no leftovers from previous install). Still reporting as disabled and can't be re-enabled. Outpu
[09:46] <cmb_> t of 'lshw' at http://www.fintry-church.org.uk/opal_hardware  Any hints about what to try, either to re-enable WiFi, or to decide its permanently borked, welcome!
[09:50] <pmjdebruijn> cmb_: sounds like you hit the wifi kill switch button on the laptop itself
[09:51] <pmjdebruijn> most laptop have one
[09:52] <cmb_> Hmm, not aware of one. Specific switch, or keyboard combo?
[09:52] <pmjdebruijn> no clue
[09:52] <pmjdebruijn> it's your laptop
[09:52] <pmjdebruijn> check the manual :)
[09:52] <sorinello_> cmb_, do you have a Fn key on your laptop ?
[09:56] <cmb_> :^) Man, that's slightly embarrassing. Looking underneath the laptop to get the model number to download the manual from Sony, turns out there is a dedicated wireless on/off switch that I didn't know was there. So much for a 35+ years of technical experience. Sigh...
[09:56] <cmb_> (though slightly disappointing I can't justify to the SO a new laptop...!)
[09:57] <pmjdebruijn> you can pretend you never talked to us :)
[10:00] <cmb_> :-)
[10:00] <cmb_> Thanks!
[10:10] <akis> hi all. today i realized that thunar freezes while shredding files. I also realize that columns size is expanded although there is no need. I saw this issue after yesterday's system's update. Any help please?
[11:49] <akis> hi all. today i realized that thunar freezes while shredding files. I also realize that columns size is expanded although there is no need. I saw this issue after yesterday's system's update. Any help please?
[17:51] <cmb_> Not sure that this is XUbuntu specific, so will maybe need ask over in #ubuntu - but tried 16.10 briefly recently and had problems with addressing machines on my local network. On 16.04 and earlier I could address machines on my local network via 'hostname.local' (using ssh, rsync, unison, etc). On 16.10 the .local domain didn't resolve, and neither does trying the hostnames on their own (ie 'rock' rather than 'rock.local' et
[17:51] <cmb_> c). Did just enough googling to realise something has changed in the resolver.  But nothing obvious showed up for how to restore previous behaviour, or use hostnames directly, or whatever. Logging in via IP was OK, so I know connectivity was OK.
[17:59] <pmjdebruijn> cmb_: sounds like avahi or something
[17:59] <pmjdebruijn> but to be honest I'd never want to depend on that
[17:59] <pmjdebruijn> I don't think it's a particularly great idea
[18:00] <pmjdebruijn> many home routers do register hostname in their local dns via dhcp
[18:00] <pmjdebruijn> dnsmasq does it by default IIRC
[18:00] <pmjdebruijn> much better approach
[18:00] <pmjdebruijn> since that's os independant of course
[20:17] <xubuntu68w> My charger is malfunction and i installed with only the battery. I guess all is ok so long there was power enough on the battery ?
[20:18] <knome> yep
[21:27] <Slown> Hey guys
[22:08] <Wayward_Vagabond> This laptop is running xubuntu 14.04lts, trying to ethernet to my new laptop I just installed 16.04lts onto and bridge the wifi on here
[22:09] <Wayward_Vagabond> but with a crossover cable or straight one, they both fail to connect, do I need to change the network settings on here?


[13:50] <adom> so Magnificent 7 was pretty good haha
[13:52] <adom> Waze automatically attempts to route to destinations in GCal events, I think it just searched for "Manassas 4" and first thing that came up in results was "Manassas 14" and dumb me thought "Yeah that's the one."
[13:53] <adom> in my defense, my memory was just one simple "teen" off
[13:56] <ChinnoDog> Its fine. Will plan more events. :-) Why doesn't the gf like movies??
[13:59] <adom> she just gets bored
[13:59] <adom> unless its one of the shows she likes, she doesn't watch much TV
[14:00] <adom> well, she does watch TV quite a bit, just only her shows haha
[14:00] <swift110> hy all
[14:18] <adom> hi swift110
[14:21] <swift110> hey adom how are you?
[14:34] <ChinnoDog> adom: I am like that too. I don't watch much TV but I do binge on a show now and then.  :-/ I bugged Brian about it.
[15:03] <swift110> ys
[15:03] <swift110> lol
[16:12] <adom> FB group?
[17:02] <ChinnoDog> https://www.facebook.com/groups/314677838640890/


[07:04] <mandel> morning!
[07:29] <karni> Morning!
[08:34] <Laney> Hey, is there any way I can connect a shared folder on U1 with a differently named folder locally?
[08:35] <Laney> I have my music on U1 as Music, and on my PC the same stuff is in /srv/music; would like to keep the two in sync.
[08:44] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :)
[08:46] <JamesTait> Laney, sounds like you need someone familiar with ubuntuone-client, which is not me. :(
[08:49] <JamesTait> Laney, I'm trying to track down someone who can help you.
[08:49] <Laney> JamesTait: Ta
[08:56] <rye> Laney: Ubuntu One client at the moment does not allow adding the folders outside $HOME directory and it is not following symlinks so I am afraid it won't be possible to synchronize /srv/music
[08:56] <Laney> ah, sad
[08:57] <rye> Laney: When you say you have "music on U1 as Music", what do you mean?
[08:57] <Laney> that's the folder name
[08:59] <JamesTait> Laney, so you set up ~/Music as a synchronised folder?
[09:00] <Laney> JamesTait: No, I once synced it from ~/Music to U1, but now it's a symlink to a different drive
[09:01]  * JamesTait nods
[09:49] <mandel> Laney, so there is an issue with adding support for things outside $HOME because it could mean that is in a diff physical volume
[09:49] <mandel> Laney, that adds lots of problems, for example, ensure that when you unmount it we understand the right thing and not that you deleted the share
[09:50] <mandel> Laney, and we don't follow symlinks for the same reason
[10:04] <Chipaca> Laney: hold it, you added ~/Music/, then replaced it with a symlink?
[10:04] <gatox> good morning
[10:04] <Chipaca> Laney: tell me more
[10:04] <Laney> Chipaca: It's a new installation
[10:04] <Chipaca> mandel: we don't follow symlinks, but the top dir of a udf might be different
[10:05] <Laney> (I got an SSD and kept music on the HDD)
[10:05] <Chipaca> Laney: question, will it *always* be mounted at /srv/music?
[10:05] <Laney> yes
[10:05] <Chipaca> Laney: keep in mind that if ever the machine comes up with it unmounted and the u1 syncdaemon sees that, it'll say "oh, he's deleted all the files while i was away", and sync the deletion everywhere
[10:06] <Chipaca> Laney: so i have to ask again, will it **always** be there? :)
[10:06] <Laney> Chipaca: well, as always as it's possible to be (until the hard drives both break at once)
[10:06] <Laney> it's mounted from fstab
[10:06] <Chipaca> ah
[10:07] <Chipaca> question, is there a reason you're not mounting it on ~/Music directly?
[10:07] <Laney> and RAID1
[10:07] <Laney> yes, because there's other things on the drive that aren't music
[10:07] <Chipaca> question, is there a reason you're not bind-mounting it to ~/Music?
[10:07] <Laney> it's just a big partition with some top level folders for data
[10:08] <Chipaca> you can bind-mount from fstab also
[10:08] <Laney> I suppose I could bind mount, yes
[10:10] <Chipaca> Laney: otherwise, as i understand it, if you trick syncdaemon into thinking the toplevel folder exists already (say, bind-mount it once), then enable syncing of the folder from syncdaemon, then *quit syncdaemon* (maybe enter single-user mode just to be super safe), unmount it, and symlink it, syncdaemon should, as i understand it, not notice nor care
[10:10] <Chipaca> Laney: here be dragons, and i haven't tested this myself
[10:10] <Chipaca> the "don't follow symlink" rule is for things inside synced folders, not for synced folders themselves
[10:10] <Laney> Chipaca: I can probably bind-mount, if that will work
[10:11] <Chipaca> it does feel like the safer option to me
[10:11] <Laney> let's try
[10:11] <Chipaca> less likely to accidentally delete or move a mountpoint than a symlink
[10:15] <Laney> Chipaca: Is it still known/expected to get timeouts on the streaming player for large collections, btw?
[10:15] <Laney> 504 Gateway Time-out
[10:16] <Chipaca> Laney: hold that thought
[10:16] <Chipaca> beuno: ping. ^
[10:16] <Laney> beuno gave me a special link last time, but I (a) forgot it and (b) thought it was obsolete (re: the mail to warthogs a month or so ago)
[10:17] <Chipaca> Laney: when we went live we nuked the bootstrapping, but i thought we'd recreated it for everybody
[10:17]  * Laney nods
[10:18] <Chipaca> Laney: apparently we haven't, so beuno will sprinkle his magic dust. And soon (soon!) things will be Magic and Just Work As They Should.
[10:19] <Laney> bind-mounting seems good btw :-)
[10:20] <Chipaca> k
[10:20] <Chipaca> if it messes things up and you want to go symlink, i'd say try with a small throwaway synced folder first
[10:20] <Laney> ya
[10:20] <Chipaca> and let me know how it goes :)
[12:51] <ralsina> good morning!
[12:54] <gatox> ralsina, hi
[12:54] <ralsina> hola gatox
[12:59] <beuno> Laney, remind me what your sso email is?
[12:59] <Laney> beuno<EMAIL_ADDRESS>- but it looks already fixed?
[13:00]  * beuno triple checks
[13:00]  * Laney can play songs now anyway
[13:00] <beuno> right, it is
[13:00] <Laney> :-)
[13:01] <beuno> I shoould overlseep more often
[13:01] <Laney> I wish I could click the column headers to reorder search results ;)
[13:01] <karni> hi ralsina o/
[13:02] <ralsina> hi karni!
[13:13] <gatox> ralsina, my spider sense says that you want to do a code review :P https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-control-panel/new-share-design/+merge/131397
[13:13] <ralsina> gatox: sure!
[13:13] <gatox> ralsina, awesome.... my spider sense  is working \o/
[13:14] <ralsina> gatox: hehe
[13:15] <ralsina> gatox: I could ruin spider man for you by mentioning it's a very obvious analogy for puberty ;-)
[13:15] <gatox> mmmm didn't understand that part.... and i'm not sure if i want
[13:15] <gatox> jejej
[13:17] <ralsina> gatox: you really don't :-)
[13:17] <gatox> jejeje
[13:34] <dobey> lol
[14:16] <mandel> ralsina, new super bug #1071327 ;)
[14:17] <ralsina> mandel: yay
[14:17] <gatox> wow
[14:20] <dobey> hmm
[14:22] <karni> o_O
[14:33] <mandel> ralsina, we are getting there :)
[14:33] <ralsina> mandel: I wonder where there is
[14:33] <mandel> ralsina, though, that blocks us a little with the payment, I found a bug with log labels, which I tried to fix using setMaxwidth, and the booom!
[14:35] <ralsina> mandel: well, an infinite loop makes sense if cairo can't actually deliver a text layout that's smaller than that
[14:35] <ralsina> mandel: I have seen similar errors in typesetting
[14:37] <mandel> ralsina, yes.. but the funny thing is that it can
[14:37] <mandel> ralsina, so, the real problem is that you cannot set the width of the layout AND the width of the text
[14:37] <mandel> ralsina, we have a work around which is to set the width of all the elements in the layout, not ideal but if we are late will get use there on time
[14:44] <mmcc> hi folks - looks like my home internet may have fixed itself. I guess it just took a nap.
[14:45] <mmcc> briancurtin, could you look at https://code.launchpad.net/~mikemc/ubuntuone-windows-installer/calling-mr-scripty/+merge/130182 when you get a chance? It's that tweak to let u1trial work on windows without a manual hack to add comtypes
[14:45] <briancurtin> mmcc: will do
[14:47] <dobey> hey mmcc
[14:48] <dobey> mmcc: any more luck with my branch/pyflakes btw?
[14:49] <mmcc> dobey, yeah - did you get my email? A quick one line fix in buildout.cfg makes it work
[14:49] <mmcc> except now it doesn't complain about 80 char lines, is that intentional (it confused me)
[14:50] <gatox> briancurtin, dobey if you can please: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-client/fix-tests-jenkins/+merge/131429
[14:51] <briancurtin> gatox: nice, i'll have a look
[14:52] <dobey> mmcc: what do you mean it doesn't complain? pyflakes never did; pep8 complains about line length though
[14:53] <dobey> gatox: that just moves the method to a different class? and for some reason changes the argument to "pattern" from "name" but the docstring isn't updated with the argument name
[14:54] <mmcc> dobey, oh, hm, right. I wasn't running pep8 when I was testing it. I guess my emacs error-highlighting is broken then
[14:55] <mmcc> so never mind that part. the diff in the email does work, in any case
[14:55] <mmcc> brb
[14:55] <gatox> dobey, docstring updated
[14:55] <gatox> dobey, the problem was that the  method was defined in the wrong place
[14:56] <dobey> gatox: how did the tests pass in tarmac and locally for people?
[14:56] <gatox> dobey, because everyone was running the tests on linux.... and this was in the windows part
[14:57] <dobey> gatox: then how does this fix the tests in nightlies (which are obviously on linux)?
[14:58] <gatox> dobey, this fix the tests on windows as the bug says..... the nightlies part, that is in the comment....... i wasn't able to reproduce it
[14:59] <ralsina> team, mumble in 1'
[15:00] <dobey> oh crap
[15:01] <mandel> ralsina, I can't make it :)(
[15:01] <ralsina> mandel: ack
[15:01] <mandel> that is a sad face, I promise!
[15:01] <ralsina> gatox, dobey, mvo, briancurtin, mmcc
[15:01] <mvo> me
[15:01] <briancurtin> on my way to mumble, not starting up nicely for some reason
[15:02] <mvo> ups, team call, hold on a sec
[15:03] <briancurtin> i'm going to reboot...mumble doesn't want to work
[15:03] <mmcc> d'oh, be right there
[15:03] <ralsina> COME ON :-)
[15:04] <ralsina> dobey?
[15:08] <briancurtin> reconfiguring mumble...
[15:10] <briancurtin> anyone else having issues connecting to the server? i'm getting "a referral was returned from the server" message on startup
[15:11] <mmcc> briancurtin, no issues here
[15:11] <briancurtin> haha...i wonder if it has to do with the certs i manually removed from my system to test what i was working on
[15:14] <briancurtin> yep, certificate issue...
[15:24] <dobey> mmcc: ah, actually, i need to make a new pyflakes i guess. i see why the args for main is there, and it makes no sens to me
[15:25] <mmcc> dobey, ok, huh.
[15:26] <dobey> it's a patch, which isn't from upstream, and which seems to have no rationale in the debian/changelog for pyflakes. so i'll remove it and rebuild the tarball
[15:33] <dobey> doh, i need to add all my other accounts to evolution so i can send mail for them :-/
[15:43] <karni> Started "normally"/earlier today, I will EOD now. Need to run. I'm travelling tomorrow on a train, will send out an e-mail to ubunet
[15:43] <karni> Have a great weekend, all! And have great holiday, ralsina :)
[15:44] <mvo> bye karni
[15:45] <karni> o/
[15:47] <dobey> bye karni
[15:52]  * gatox lunch
[15:58] <mmcc> brb, have to watch the kid for a couple minutes
[16:01] <dobey> mmcc: uploaded pyflakes tarball without that weird patch. if you could try my branch again to verify it works, when you return, that would be awesome.
[16:05] <dobey> ok, i'm off to get lunch. bbiab
[16:09] <ralsina> Off for lunch & banks, wil be back in (hopefully) 90'
[16:11] <mandel> ralsina, where you in a plain recently, right? http://bit.ly/XmGa0z
[16:12] <mmcc> not back yet, but had a sec - dobey your new package works (without my buildout.cfg tweak.)
[16:24] <mmcc> I could still use a couple reviews for u1-client: https://code.launchpad.net/~mikemc/ubuntuone-client/add-downloads-to-menudata/+merge/131231 and https://code.launchpad.net/~mikemc/ubuntuone-client/no-multi-add-recents-fix-1069953/+merge/131233
[16:47] <gatox> back
[17:09] <gatox> mmcc, we can exchange reviews if you want
[17:10]  * gatox really needs reviews jeje
[17:13] <mmcc> gatox I'm reviewing your cp files search branch now
[17:13] <gatox> awesome!
[17:14] <gatox> mmcc, i'll take the menuddata one
[17:17] <gatox> mmcc, this add the download data to the sync-menu everywhere?
[17:18] <mmcc> gatox - what do you mean by everywhere?
[17:19] <gatox> mmcc, nothing, i see it does..... also, this can be tested on linux with d-feet
[17:19] <gatox> consuming the dbus service from there
[17:19] <mmcc> gatox - looks like we missed something in the u1-client ipc for your new search_files call to work on mac & win: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1305374/
[17:20] <mmcc> this IPC code, man, I just don't know
[17:20] <gatox> mmcc, already fixed in this one: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-client/fix-tests-jenkins/+merge/131429 if you want to review it
[17:21] <mmcc> gatox, great! looking now
[17:25] <dobey> sigh, email
[17:26] <dobey> mmcc: care to approve my branch then if it works for you now? :)
[17:27] <mmcc> btw gatox, I noticed that the u1client search-filter branch still had this commented line in it: " #basename = os.path.basename(p)" in filesystem_manager.py line 1374. since fix-tests-jenkins is a cleanup branch should we fix that in there?
[17:27] <mmcc> dobey, oh, yeah sure
[17:27] <gatox> mmcc, ok
[17:29] <gatox> mmcc, done
[17:29] <mmcc> great, thanks gatox
[17:30] <gatox> oops!! the departure time is not the one that i thought..... i will need to leave one hour earlier
[17:30]  * gatox almost misses his flight
[17:31] <briancurtin> gatox: i owe you a review from earlier - i'll make sure to get to it
[17:31] <gatox> briancurtin, thx
[17:31] <mmcc> gatox, so you have to go now? have a safe flight. I'm +1 on both these, fyi
[17:32] <gatox> mmcc, i'll be here for a while....... but yep..... in around 30 min or so
[17:32] <gatox> mmcc, awesome for the +1 :D
[17:32] <gatox> mmcc, i'm running the tests for your branch.... code seems ok
[17:32] <mmcc> although the bug title and branch title is confusing :P - "files that were shared during the time controlpanel was open" - but we're searching files that aren't shared, right?
[17:34] <briancurtin> mmcc: i think you were also seeing the "file sync starting..." showing up forever on windows?
[17:35] <mmcc> briancurtin, yes I was, maybe…
[17:36] <briancurtin> i'm seeing it right now, KeyError inside tritcask that looks like it hung up the whole SD
[17:36] <briancurtin> fun times
[17:36] <mmcc> briancurtin I think in my case it was the issue with the log files being owned so I can't rotate them
[17:36] <briancurtin> ah yeah
[17:36] <mmcc> I hacked around that by setting the log file size to BIGNUM
[17:36] <mmcc> because I think you mentioned it was only an issue when running from source
[17:37] <gatox> mmcc, +1 to this one: https://code.launchpad.net/~mikemc/ubuntuone-client/add-downloads-to-menudata/+merge/131231
[17:37] <mmcc> gatox great, thanks!
[17:38] <mmcc> gatox, the other one is really short… I'll understand if you have to leave tho
[17:39] <gatox> mmcc, give me a couple of minutes.... and i'll try to look at it
[17:40] <dobey> grr, wtf evolution
[17:41] <briancurtin> anyone knowledgeable in tritcask? wondering what a proper behavior would be when receiving this KeyError - https://pastebin.canonical.com/77268/ - log it, return None, make sure everything else up the chain will handle None?
[17:42] <gatox> briancurtin, you can ask verterok
[17:42] <briancurtin> verterok: any opinion on the above paste? i'm seeing this on startup on Windows
[17:45] <briancurtin> i think this is causing me to be stuck in local rescan
[17:47] <verterok> briancurtin: looking
[17:48] <dobey> are there branches about to land in u1client?
[17:48] <verterok> briancurtin: looks like the metadata for a share is missing
[17:48] <verterok> briancurtin: isn't a tritcask error perse
[17:49] <verterok> briancurtin: local rescan is failing because it's unable to find the medata for a share/volume
[17:53] <mmcc> dobey: yes, a few.
[17:55] <briancurtin> verterok: interesting. i'll further into it
[17:55] <mmcc> dobey well, maybe not approved and waiting to land but there are a few in line - why?
[17:56] <dobey> mmcc: because my cp branch will require a new build of nightlies to be installed, in order to land; and given that nightlies have failed to build since gatox's share-files branch, there's a bit of a problem :)
[17:58] <mmcc> aha. well, his branch to fix that should be able to land soon… I just approved it
[17:58] <mmcc> IIRC it does need one more
[18:01] <dobey> well i don't think it fixes the test failure in nightlies
[18:01] <mmcc> oh, ok. what's that one?
[18:02] <dobey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/1070991/comments/1
[18:04] <mmcc> yeah, huh. those seem like different bugs
[18:04] <dobey> or not
[18:05] <dobey> test isolation issues can seem that way, and totally not be :)
[18:06] <mmcc> well, I remember thinking when I reviewed that branch that I wasn't sure all those path name tests would pass on windows, but I thought a 'windows review' was pending from someone else. I should've just checked myself :(
[18:09] <mmcc> so I'm doing that now
[18:10] <dobey> man, amazon picks some odd 'genre' tags for their mp3s sometimes it seems
[18:11] <mmcc> ugh, every ipc test is timing out on windows
[18:14] <gatox> mmcc, +1 to the other one.......
[18:14] <mmcc> gatox, great - thanks!
[18:14] <gatox> and nowwwww i need to run to the airport!! byeeeee.... see you on monday people
[18:14] <mmcc> and have a good trip!
[18:14] <briancurtin> bye gatox
[18:14] <gatox> thx.... bye!
[18:20] <mmcc> dobey yeah, I guess that branch might fix the nightlies issue after all. maybe our test dbus bus instance is ignoring that error and just returning []?
[18:20] <dobey> not sure
[18:21] <dobey> if it still fails i'll open another bug and i guess look into it myself, since he's gone til monday now
[18:36] <dobey> brb, gotta run real quick.
[19:08] <dobey> bah. it still fails :(
[19:21] <briancurtin> back in a bit - late lunch
[19:42]  * briancurtin back
[19:48] <briancurtin> ralsina: i figured out the cert thing, just need to clean it up to actually be usable (it's hardcoding some paths just so i could get it going).
[19:48] <ralsina> briancurtin: cool!
[19:50] <dobey> nice
[20:07] <dobey> bah
[20:07] <dobey> it's almost like this test is somehow talking to an actual instance of ubuntuone-syncdaemon, rather than the fake service in the tests; but only in the nightlies builds
[20:07] <dobey> sigh
[20:39] <briancurtin> ralsina: since you are going to be gone, what are the guidelines we need to follow for the windows release? is there anything more needed than this cert stuff, working tests, and a sign off from QA, or are there other things we are waiting on?
[20:40] <ralsina> briancurtin: that is enough
[20:40] <ralsina> briancurtin: in an ideal world, it would have diego's improved shares tab but that's not going into stable-4
[20:40] <ralsina> briancurtin: so we may have to do a 4.1 or whatever in a few weeks
[20:41] <briancurtin> ralsina: alright. i'm currently seeing an issue where local rescan fails and hangs SD because of some metadata mismatch. im going to try the cert branch in a clean VM to see that it's truly working
[20:41] <ralsina> briancurtin: ack
[20:42] <dobey> ok, i am about to propose a branch that just skips this test, because i can't tell what the heck is going on; not sure how to debug further; and gatox is gone til monday
[20:43] <dobey> and i want to get the pyflakes switch done already
[20:44] <mmcc> dobey it's just one test? I thought it was a bunch that were failing…?
[20:45] <dobey> no, just the one
[20:46] <ralsina> dobey: I'll rubberstamp it
[20:46] <ralsina> dobey: as long as you file a bug about it ;-)
[20:47] <dobey> https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-client/skip-search-files-test/+merge/131484
[20:47] <dobey> yes i already filed the bug. was going to fix it, but then saw it was a bit too weird to fix quickly
[20:48] <ralsina> dobey: maybe the nightlies will sleep it off over the weekend
[20:48] <ralsina> dobey: our build slaves may just be tired
[20:49] <dobey> nope
[20:50] <dobey> it's definitely a problem; just not sure whate exactly, as it's quite odd. it is however, also quite odd that *only* that test fails in this way
[20:51] <dobey> and doh, i totally just forgot to import the skipTest call
[20:53] <dobey> and actually, now i spot another issue in that test, which should have been caught in review :-/
[20:55] <ralsina> I have been doing crappy reviews for at least a week :-(
[20:55]  * ralsina slaps himself into shape... oh, wait, vacations start in 5 minutes.
[20:56] <dobey> paths with hardcoded / separators in them
[20:57] <dobey> well, feel free to rubberstamp https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-client/skip-search-files-test/+merge/131484 too :)
[20:57] <mmcc> dobey, I saw those paths too but they don't cause a problem on windows,so …
[20:57] <dobey> mmcc: well, the test was failing on windows, so… :)
[20:58] <dobey> and still failing apparently :-/
[20:59] <mmcc> I'm confused. I saw no failures due to path issues, only IPC timeouts…
[20:59] <mmcc> (on windows)
[21:00] <mmcc> i wonder if I was testing the right test_tools.py
[21:00] <mmcc> I did selective testing because the timeouts were screwing up the whole build
[21:00] <mmcc> and of course there are two test_tools.py
[21:00]  * mmcc goes back to windows
[21:01] <mmcc> oh, before ralsina leaves - would anyone complain if I used mock (not mocker) in the new cocoa-menu project? I'm going to have to mock out a lot of Cocoa and it was starting to get big
[21:01] <ralsina> mmcc: I can never get those two straight
[21:02] <ralsina> mmcc: yes to the one that is going to be in the stdlib in 3.x
[21:02] <ralsina> mmcc: the one done by our friend and coworker mfoord, IIRC
[21:02] <dobey> mmcc: yeah it's fine to use python-mock there
[21:02] <mmcc> mock is the stdlib one
[21:02] <mmcc> great, that's going to be much nicer
[21:03] <ralsina> and no to the one done by another friend and coworker, that we used before, and that drived me nuts with useless failures whenever I moved a line
[21:03] <dobey> mocker
[21:04]  * ralsina starts writing mockest
[21:05] <ralsina> dobey: STAMP on skip-search-files-test
[21:08] <dobey> yay
[21:12] <ralsina> EOW for me, people
[21:12] <dobey> bye ralsina
[21:12] <ralsina> I will be around for a little bit tomorrow very early, then just email, then back on thursdays, then at the sprint
[21:12] <ralsina> if you REALLY need me, I will leave a phone number somewhere as soon as I have one
[21:13]  * ralsina goes pack
[21:13] <briancurtin> enjoy your time off!
[21:13] <ralsina> thanks briancurtin!
[21:37] <dobey> mmcc: can you review https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntu-sso-client/lint-roller/+merge/131016 now that fixed pyflakes bits are in for buildout?
[21:38] <mmcc> dobey yeah sure.
[21:38] <briancurtin> "yeah sure, or yes sir"
[21:39]  * mmcc doesn't get it
[21:39] <briancurtin> from Super Troopers
[21:39] <briancurtin> and mmcc i still owe that review for mr.scripty. if i dont get to it by EOD i'll have it first thing tomorrow
[21:39] <mmcc> o rite. I really need to re-watch super troopers again. It's been too long
[21:40] <mmcc> no big hurry on mrscripty
[21:51] <dobey> ok, need to roll. later all
[21:52] <dobey> mmcc: approved your two client branches btw
[21:52] <dobey> ok, really bye :)
[21:53] <mmcc> thanks!
[21:53] <mmcc> and bye
[22:13] <ralsina> dobey: silly question... what do you think of this monitor http://www.ebay.com/itm/ACHIEVA-Shimian-QH270-Lite-Quad-HD-FREE-Voltage-Monitor-2560x1440-16-9-D-Sub-NEW-/280928105274?pt=Computer_Monitors&hash=item41689eb33a
[22:49] <mmcc> ok, time to go for me. so far, liking mock a bunch. might come back tonight, or just start early tomorrow


[01:54] <cmaloney> Evemomg
[01:54] <cmaloney> Evening, even
[01:57] <gamerchick02> howdy
[01:57] <gamerchick02> almost time for bed i think. sooooo tired.
[02:20] <cmaloney> Heh
[02:20] <cmaloney> Almost time for me to retrieve JoDee from outside with her telescope
[02:20] <_stink_> it looked like an ideal night for that
[02:23] <cmaloney> Yeah, ti is.
[02:23] <cmaloney> She's trying to do some research for the AAVSO in the Orion constellation
[02:23] <cmaloney> before it disappears into the neighbor's tree and "spring"
[02:24] <_stink_> haha
[13:16] <cmaloney> Morning
[13:19] <rick_h_> morn
[14:39] <brousch> GR Python is in The Blackwell this year
[14:54] <cmaloney> brousch: Good deal
[14:54] <cmaloney> It's the only way to fly honestly.
[14:54] <cmaloney> Plus we can hang out in the bar
[14:54] <brousch> I didn't mind Varsity Inn last time. Sprints being off-campus made it less annoying
[14:55] <brousch> Tim Hortons was right there
[14:55] <cmaloney> I think you missed this: "Plus we can hang out in the bar"
[14:55] <brousch> Can we bring our own Michigan microbrews?
[15:25] <cmaloney> I don't see why not
[17:32] <SneakyPhil> PDF: http://legbacore.com/Research_files/HowManyMillionBIOSWouldYouLikeToInfect_Full2.pdf#73