 @mitya57 Does the setting of qvariant autoconversion to False make sense here:
 https://git.launchpad.net/ubiquity/commit/?id=0ffb72be73e22d201e40e153eea0c678d70a4532
 @RikMills It matches sip4's sip.setapi('QVariant', 1) behavior:
 https://www.riverbankcomputing.com/static/Docs/PyQt5/pyqt_qvariant.html
 So that commit makes sense to me.
 Hmmm. So why does the installer now get those TypeError: unhashable type: 'QVariant' crash when it didn't used to
 Are these the same errors we discussed in February, or new ones? (re @RikMills: Hmmm. So why does the installer now get those TypeError: unhashable type: 'QVariant' crash when it didn't used to)
 And does anything work if you remove sip.enableautoconversion call?
 Yes, the same errors. And yes, everything works if you set that to True, or remove it altogether
 Then maybe just remove all those calls.
 And revert additions of .toString() if they were made
 These ones (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <mitya57> So something like "ssid = ssid.toString()" should fix it, but maybe similar changes are needed in other parts of the code.)
 That is what I just did.
 https://code.launchpad.net/~rikmills/ubiquity/+git/ubiquity/+merge/401307
 OK
 Thanks for the help :)
 No problems. I hope it won't become worse than it was, as we have quite little time before release
 I did 5 installs of different test cases, trying to hit as many changes in the UI as I could to see if other parts become crashy. So far, I could not break anything
 release-team say that if uploaded today, it can be reverted on Monday if it went bad
 Great. Thanks for working on it!
 fingers crossed 🤞


[10:56] <persia> Oops.  glitch in meeting communications.  Wiki page is open for agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20091208
[10:59] <JamieBennett> persia: workitems link is wrong
[10:59] <JamieBennett> /me goes to fix it
[10:59] <persia> JamieBennett: Thanks.
[11:00]  * persia just did a cut & paste of the 20091201 agenda
[11:02] <JamieBennett> done and action items added
[11:02] <JamieBennett> sorry, agenda ites
[11:02] <JamieBennett> items
[11:02] <JamieBennett> man my typing today
[11:03] <persia> I don't see other agenda items.  DId you save?
[11:10] <JamieBennett> apparently not, redone them now
[11:13] <persia> Um.  Are those standing items?  I'm fairly certain they aren't action items (those being stuff that people are tasked with in the course of the meeting)
[11:14] <persia> I thought that the workitems sheet replaced spec review.  Sponsoring statistics are available from a variety of sources.  I'm not sure about ARM image status, although I'd expect it to be reflected in workitems.
[11:19] <ogra> yup
[11:19] <persia> What?  Now I'm confused.
[11:20] <persia> So, there were three new "Action Items" entered: spec review, ARM images, Sponsoring.
[11:20] <ogra> arm is the only thing we do in mobile nowadays
[11:20] <ogra> spec review should be obsoleted by the workitem sheet
[11:20] <persia> Well, depends on how one defines "Mobile", but let's set that aside for now.
[11:20] <persia> Right.
[11:20] <persia> And sponsoring has the various statistics pages.
[11:20] <persia> So I think it's only ARM images that need to remain a standing item.
[11:20] <ogra> the mobile team in lucid *only* works on arm stuff ...
[11:21] <ogra> we dont have any non arm items this release
[11:21] <ogra> (i'm still for renaming the team but well :) )
[11:21] <ogra> anyway
[11:22] <ogra> so spec review should go, we do that through the workitem sheet
[11:22] <ogra> arm image is a standing topic
[11:22] <persia> RIght.
[11:22]  * persia fixes the agenda.
[11:22] <ogra> for sponsoring the idea was that everyone reports the bugnumbers he closed through sponsoring ...
[11:23] <ogra> given that these were only a few back when we started that we could do it in meeting
[11:23] <ogra> i fthe amount raises we should have some kind of overview page
[11:23] <persia> Well, there are various overview pages available, for various slices of sponsors.
[11:24] <persia> But currently there's no good way to capture a combination of direct sponsored uploads, reviewed new packages, and applied branches.
[11:24] <persia> dholbach's sponsoring statistics pages probably get closest to accurate.
[11:25] <ogra> well, when i started that i just wanted to have an overview by team member
[11:25] <ogra> since david asked me for exactly that
[13:34] <ian_brasil> any idea how long it takes to build Ubuntu from source on X86?
[13:35] <ian_brasil> and how long natively on arm
[13:36] <persia> THe entire archive?
[13:38] <persia> I don't know how long it would take for x86.  For armel, it took about three months to bootstrap jaunty, but some of that was delays to work around build failures (that wouldn't happen again).
[13:39] <persia> Of course, the total time depends on the number of parallel build machines, the specs of the build machines, etc.  I don't believe there currently exist statistics for a complete archive rebuild on a per-architecture basis.
[13:44] <ian_brasil> persia, thanks
[13:46] <persia> ian_brasil: By the way, are you still the best reporting contact for Mobile (from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Teams) ?
[13:47] <ian_brasil> persia, i have not done any reporting for a while..if someone wants to step up that is fine with me
[13:47] <persia> JamieBennett: You want to take over that role?
[13:48] <JamieBennett> persia: let me look at it after the meeting but I suspect that will be fine
[13:48] <persia> JamieBennett: OK.  Just get the procedures from ian_brasil (I don't know them off-hand), and update that wiki page.
[13:48] <JamieBennett> OK
[14:04] <Il__Matteo> hi everybody! anyone reading?
[14:05] <persia> Il__Matteo: lots of people.
[14:07] <JamieBennett> ian_brasil: so it just a matter of reporting what the team are doing once a month on a wiki page?
[14:07] <Il__Matteo> great. Here's my problem. I tried to mount Ubuntu Mobile onto my chinaphone Cesim A007. After Imagewriter finished writing to device, i unplugged the mobile and tried to turn it on. Nothing happened. I've kept on trying, and still nothing happens. It doesn't turn on!!! It's not even recognized as a USB device
[14:07] <ian_brasil> JamieBennett, more or less
[14:07] <JamieBennett> anything else?
[14:08] <persia> Il__Matteo: You used imagewriter to directly write to the device flash?
[14:08] <JamieBennett> ouch
[14:08] <Il__Matteo> persia, yes, onto the mobile phone
[14:08] <ian_brasil> JamieBennett, let me dig out the links
[14:08] <JamieBennett> thanks
[14:09] <JamieBennett> Il__Matteo: The image is an install image meant for cdrom/usb/cf card
[14:09] <Il__Matteo> JamieBennett, so, what did i have to do? put on cdrom, boot from that cdrom and then install onto mobile?
[14:10] <persia> Il__Matteo: The images are intended to be flashed to USB or SD, and the device booted from that.  I don't know that the use case of direct flashing to a device has ever previously been tested.
[14:10] <persia> Il__Matteo: Boot the device from the USB/CD/SD
[14:10] <ian_brasil> JamieBennett, the main page is here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity/TeamReporting
[14:10] <ian_brasil> followed by https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports
[14:10] <Il__Matteo> persia, my mobile has got a 8gb microsd, indeed
[14:11] <ian_brasil> what i did was follow the daily meetings and the summaries sent to the mobile lists
[14:11] <ian_brasil> and add them to the template page
[14:11] <Il__Matteo> the big trouble is that now it looks like completely dead!!! :°°°°
[14:11] <ian_brasil> then add that page to the main reporting page each month
[14:11] <ian_brasil> it is not much work if you do it like that
[14:12] <JamieBennett> ian_brasil: seems like not many teams are using it?
[14:12] <persia> Il__Matteo: Do you have a copy of the original software?  You may have to force a flash to get it to work (but with software USB gadget, that might mean finding some other way to access the chip)
[14:12] <JamieBennett> (apart from loco's)
[14:14] <Il__Matteo> persia, no backup copy of the original software. So let's see whether i have understood: i need to force the mobile's flash in order to make Ubuntu work?
[14:14] <persia> JamieBennett: There's constant calls to use it, but few teams actually report anything, unfortunately.
[14:14] <JamieBennett> persia: so it is of value to do this?
[14:15] <persia> Il__Matteo: No, but you need to be able to boot your device from SD or CD or USB, and your device needs to be supported by the Ubuntu kernel (or you need to have constructed and prepared a special kernel).
[14:15] <ian_brasil> JamieBennett, this is the page you need to add the reports to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports
[14:16] <persia> JamieBennett: Immensely.  It's the official primary way in which Ubuntu communicates activities to everyone.  When teams don't participate, people have to chase mailing lists, wiki updates, bugs, IRC logs (often in multiple channels), and many other sources to have any idea what is happening.
[14:16] <ian_brasil> most teams write a report..certainly foundations, kde and tech board
[14:16] <Il__Matteo> persia, do you see any opportunity to restore my device? :° did i murder it once and forever?
[14:17] <ian_brasil> JamieBennett, it is also a great way to keep yourself informed about what is happening
[14:17] <persia> Il__Matteo: I don't know anything about your specific device, so don't have clear advice.  Some of my devices have multiple flash areas, so I don't have to overwrite the bootloader when I install images.  Other of my devices have hardware DIP switches that allow me to use a bootloader from an SD card.  You need to read the docs on your device to find a mechanism for restoration.
[14:18] <persia> Il__Matteo: Your best source is probably a device-specific forum.  I'd recommend searching for "bricked China Phone 007".
[14:18] <ian_brasil> i really liked doing it for this reason..and my bad i let it slip off my plate
[14:18] <JamieBennett> ian_brasil: I see only Xubuntu reporting there (team distro wise) why are others not doing it? (this is what worries me, is there a need for this? if so why aren't the other teams doing it?)
[14:18] <JamieBennett> (I'm not against doing it though)
[14:19] <ian_brasil> JamieBennett, it picks up as the cycle moves towards release
[14:19] <ian_brasil> it is also a good way to get info included on the fridge and UWN
[14:20] <persia> JamieBennett: Different teams do it and drop it, mostly depending on how often they get harassed by external parties.
[14:20] <Il__Matteo> persia, the documentation is very poor and i haven't find a specific forum yet. thanks anyway, i guess i threw 140€ down the drain :D
[14:20] <ian_brasil> to raise the mobile profile a bit more
[14:20] <JamieBennett> I'll try it and see how it goes then.
[14:20] <Il__Matteo> bye everybody
[14:21] <ian_brasil> JamieBennett, if you need anything ping me ok
[14:21] <persia> Il__Matteo: Good luck on getting your phone working again.  If you can get it up, come back, and we can help see if you can get Ubuntu running on it.
[14:21] <JamieBennett> thanks
[14:21] <persia> Note that Ubuntu doesn't make a good phone, so you won't be able to make calls or anything.
[18:36] <robertjw> On loading UNR 9.04 on a Classmate Convertible, I notice that the touch screen is not supported.
[18:36] <robertjw> The touch driver is available from the vendor.
[18:36] <robertjw> Any thoughts about adding it to UNR?
[18:38] <robertjw> see driver sources at:  http://www.eturbotouch.com.tw/english/s_download_center.asp


[01:50] <GridCube> good night
[01:51] <madnick> :D
[01:52] <GridCube> madnick, yes, sorry about the interface, i forgot to add a schudule for today so it broke when searching for it, i've changed the code so now if the schudele file is absent it will say so
[01:52] <GridCube> :)
[01:52]  * GridCube reads the ubuntulogs XD
[01:52] <madnick> oh okay :)
[01:53] <GridCube> anyway i've checked and now there is a schudele for all the week
[01:53] <GridCube> :P
[01:54] <GridCube> charlie is the only one updating it tho
[01:54] <madnick> i was going to :P
[01:56] <GridCube> :D
[07:39] <micahg> madnick: so, what's the call on blueman
[07:44] <ochosi> hey everyone
[07:44] <madnick> micahg: both versions seems to work almost the same, replicating the same scenarios makes them both do the same thing, however the new one seems to have more features
[07:44] <madnick> also the new one have not crashed for me
[07:44] <madnick> hi ochosi
[07:45] <micahg> madnick: ok, can you comment in Bug #836324  please?
[07:45] <ochosi> did any of you test greybird-gtk3 and run into any problems/bugs with it?
[07:46] <micahg> ochosi: I won't be able to look at thunderbird before the weekend unfortunately, it's unlikely we'll be able to get a fix in before release
[07:46] <ochosi> micahg: ok, that's a pity, i think it's the only known bug in greybird atm
[07:46] <micahg> the good news is thunderbird gets updated regularly, so we just have to get a fix upstream and we'll inherit it 4 weeks after release
[07:46] <ochosi> right
[07:47] <micahg> err, not quite right...16 weeks :(
[07:47] <ochosi> yeah, i'm not sure there is much i can do to fix this in the theme...
[07:47] <micahg> new stuff has to land on trunk
[07:47] <ochosi> hm, 16 weeks is almost 12.04 :)
[07:47] <micahg> once it lands though, we can probably distro patch
[07:48] <ochosi> personally i don't use tb, but i know people will complain about it
[07:48] <micahg> ochosi: if we're distro patching, I'd have to SRU it in any event and it could even be right after release
[07:49] <madnick> micahg: Im unsure what to write in that bug
[07:50] <madnick> should i just tell them "i did some testing on multiple devices comparing the versions, and i find the new one better"
[07:51] <micahg> madnick: yep and that the new version crashes less
[07:51] <micahg> or doesn't crash
[07:51] <micahg> whatever appropriate
[07:51] <madnick> okay
[07:52] <ochosi> micahg: k, will you comment on the bug (856939) or shall i?
[07:55] <madnick> i was about to write "i found a couple of wierd things in both versions", but i guess thats not relevant to this bug report? its just which one is better
[07:56] <micahg> madnick: write what you discovered, the release team can weigh what's better I guess
[07:59] <madnick> I hope my entry is enough, im really bad at expressing myself
[08:01] <micahg> mr_pouit: we got our conffile for the greeter now :)
[08:01] <micahg> madnick: seems fine, thanks for the testing
[08:02] <madnick> I don't like that it makes it impossible to know if you accepted a key, because it does not go away
[08:03] <madnick> and also that it changes name on the device if you reject it, to something i guess is the bluetooth modules name itself
[08:03] <micahg> did that happen in the old version?
[08:04] <madnick> yes
[08:04] <madnick> both versions
[08:05] <micahg> I guess this is better than pulling in half of GNOME though
[08:05] <madnick> yeah, its not that bad, the phone / tablet / keyboard / amtel chip device / etc knows when its done :P
[08:06] <madnick> its just that if you dont look, you may get confused
[09:25] <mr_pouit> micahg: yay \o/
[09:25] <micahg> mr_pouit: we also got blueman approved, I'll upload a little later, I'm off Thu/Fri, can you keep an eye on it for emergencies, also do you need anything else fixed in -meta?
[09:30] <mr_pouit> I've already to take care of x-d-s (add the greeter theme for lightdm), murrine-themes (greybird updates), and the only-ubiquity bug, so, one more, one less, it's fine ;-)
[10:53] <Pjotr> I see mr_pouit has fixed lightdm-gtk-greeter
[10:53] <Pjotr> nice job!
[10:54] <Pjotr> How can I help translating it, as the current greeter is still 100 % in English, in Xubuntu 11.10?
[11:01] <mr_pouit> no, it's not fixed :(
[11:02] <madnick> iirc, the labels etc are marked as translatable
[11:02] <madnick> But im not sure how one does anything with that
[11:04] <mr_pouit> I'm not here this afternoon, so when charlie-tca comes online, please tell him to push Bug #861316
[11:04] <mr_pouit> thanks
[11:05] <Pjotr> mr_pouit: wasn't it fixed here? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/845549
[11:06] <mr_pouit> Pjotr: see the bug link I pasted above
[11:06] <Pjotr> I see. This is bad.
[11:07] <Pjotr> Even Lubuntu has a nicer greeter now.  :-(
[11:15] <Pjotr> For what it's worth, I just marked bug 861316 as "affects me too" on Launchpad.
[14:56] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: now that we got things accepted, do I need to have someone push bug 861309 out for us?
[21:09] <charlie-tca> Away grandkids
[21:35] <Unit193> Have fun! Lubuntu has a nicer "greeter" because they are using LXDM (Something someone said a bit up)
[21:40] <micahg> I'll upload the new meta with blueman over the weekend (unless mr_pouit beats me to it)
[21:42] <mr_pouit> micahg: I can upload it right now if needed
[21:42] <micahg> mr_pouit: it's not seeded yet (no time), I'd do a recommends on blueman if you want to handle it
[21:44] <mr_pouit> micahg: I can add a recommends, then upload
[21:45] <micahg> mr_pouit: feel free, thanks!
[21:47] <mr_pouit> micahg: does it need a FFe? or was it already filed (which bug #?)?
[21:47] <micahg> mr_pouit: there's a task against xubuntu-meta for it
[21:48] <mr_pouit> bug #836324
[21:48] <mr_pouit> indeed
[22:15] <mr_pouit> hop, uploaded, good night!
[22:26] <micahg> mr_pouit: thanks!


[04:54] <Mirv> morning
[04:54] <RAOF> Aloha
[09:03] <Laney> hey!
[09:06] <Laney> happy penultimate day before holidays for most people :-)
[09:13] <larsu> Laney: same to you!
[09:21] <pitti> hey Laney, likewise!
[09:21]  * pitti hugs Laney and larsu, seems not many people holding the fort here any more
[09:22] <Laney> hey pitti and larsu
[09:26] <larsu> yeah, it seems very empty these days
[09:27] <Laney> turns out seb128 makes a lot of noise :P
[09:28] <RAOF> Hah
[09:29] <larsu> haha
[09:57] <tsdgeos> did we update the intel driver in trusty recently?
[09:57] <tsdgeos> i'm getting weird crashes
[09:58] <tsdgeos> http://pastebin.kde.org/pjjbsztsv <-- crash in i965_dri.so ¿¿??
[09:58] <tsdgeos> horizontaljournaltestExec: ../../../../src/glsl/ralloc.c:81: get_header: assertion «info->canary == 0x5A1106» failed.
[09:59] <RAOF> tsdgeos: Last update (of note) was 11/12/2013
[09:59] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/1256961
[09:59] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1256961 in gnome-panel (Ubuntu) "new glib (2.39.1) causes some indicators & nautilus to not load promptly" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[09:59] <Laney> ?!
[09:59] <Laney> darkxst: got any insight into that?
[09:59] <tsdgeos> RAOF: is that month/day or day/month ?
[10:00] <RAOF> tsdgeos: Day/month. Sorry, should have put the year the other way 'round.
[10:01] <tsdgeos> RAOF: hmmm, this is more recent, like today/yesterday
[10:02] <tsdgeos> wonder if the update to qt5 that came in yesterday is the culprit
[10:02] <tsdgeos> Mirv: what was in yesterday's update to Qt 5.0.2?
[10:02] <RAOF> Possibly; it doesn't seem that your driver stack changed.
[10:04] <tsdgeos> And now i get this http://pastebin.kde.org/pref7ap09 :-S
[10:07] <tsdgeos> or llvm changing broke mesa? (me has no clue if he's saying crazy stuff now)
[10:09] <darkxst> Laney, hi
[10:10] <Laney> hey there
[10:11] <Mirv> tsdgeos: not by me, seems some arm64/ppc64el related dependency changes
[10:11]  * tsdgeos cries
[10:12]  * tsdgeos reboots and see if that magically helps
[10:13] <darkxst> Laney, not real sure, however that is quite diverged from upstream (gnome-panel, nautilus handling desktop), so unlikely to be tested
[10:14] <Laney> darkxst: it's weird, I don't know how glib is to blame and couldn't easily downgrade it to saucy's version to check that theory
[10:14] <Laney> by chance I tried gnome-session-quit --logout before the stuff loaded and got an error about not being in the running phase
[10:14] <darkxst> Laney, I agree, doesnt seem like a glib bug to me
[10:16] <Laney> could be a GSource change or something
[10:16] <darkxst> hmm there were a bunch of changes to the session handling
[10:17] <darkxst> not sure if they made it into trusty or not
[10:17] <darkxst> (in gnome-session)
[10:17] <Laney> we got gnome-panel 3.8 quite recently
[10:18] <Laney> gnome-session didn't change so much
[10:22] <Laney> well, downgrading g-p didn't fix it
[10:23] <darkxst> Laney, I'm not at all familiar with gnome-panel....
[10:23] <Laney> probably can't spend more time on this now
[10:23] <Laney> I'll keep it in mind
[11:01] <dholbach> hiya
[11:02] <dholbach> can somebody take a look at https://launchpad.net/bugs/1260942 for sponsorship please?
[11:02] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1260942 in epiphany-browser (Ubuntu) "new upstream release 3.10" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[11:02] <dholbach> I reviewed it, but was a bit unsure about the package name changes
[11:04] <Laney> what is epiphany-browser-webkit2?
[11:04] <Laney> rmadison doesn't know about it
[11:04] <Laney> don't tell me it's for something in a GNOME team PPA
[11:04] <dholbach> Laney, I have no idea
[11:05] <Laney> darkxst: he;lp
[11:05] <dholbach> there's lots of desktop stuff in http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ :)
[11:06] <Laney> mmm, seems like a good pre-xmas task
[11:06] <Laney> for tomorrow afternoon
[11:06] <Laney> upload the crack, then run away for two weeks
[11:06] <Laney> MUHAHAHA
[11:06] <dholbach> haha :)
[11:06]  * dholbach hugs Laney
[11:07]  * Laney hugs dholbach back
[11:07] <Laney> hope you have nice holidays lined up!
[11:07] <dholbach> I do - I'm going to stay in Berlin this time along with a bunch of friends of mine - it should be good :)
[11:07] <dholbach> how about you?
[11:08] <Laney> neat
[11:08] <Laney> various parental travellings, then back here for new years
[11:09] <dholbach> nice :)
[11:09] <Laney> yeah, always nice to get out into the countryside for a bit
[12:07] <Laney> pitti: did you see the python-dbusmock depwait?
[12:07] <Laney> looks like component mismatches
[12:08] <pitti> Laney: oh, indeed I didn't
[12:08] <pitti> argh
[12:09] <pitti> I thought ofono was in main
[12:09] <pitti> ok, so we can't test this
[12:09] <pitti> (during package build)
[12:09] <pitti> I'll remove it
[12:09] <Laney> I guess the MIR will happen this cycle
[12:11] <pitti> Laney: uploaded, thanks for pointing out
[12:12] <Laney> np, thanks to you for fixing
[13:13] <Sweetshark> http://www.apertura.co.nz/collabora <- kiwis go LibreOffice ...
[13:15] <pitti> [ubuntu/trusty] python-dbusmock 0.10-1svn1 (Accepted)
[13:15] <pitti> Laney: ^  \o/
[13:15] <pitti> tvoss: ^ FYI, that contains the ofono mock
[13:15] <tvoss> pitti, \o/
[14:33] <Laney> w00t
[15:42] <Laney> attente: I don't think you can take the longest one
[15:42] <Laney> on my system that ends up prefering 'iso88591' encodings instead of 'utf8'
[15:44] <Laney> also couldn't you do that before processing them with icu? or are there cases in which more than one locale maps to the same display name?
[15:44] <Laney> GunnarHj: how does l-s build the list of format locale options?
[15:44] <Laney> also, hello and merry christmas ;-)
[15:46] <attente> Laney, so i guess in general we need a way to choose 'en_US.UTF-8' over 'en_US'
[15:47] <Laney> I'm hoping we can steal what language-selector does here
[15:48] <Laney> also I was thinking you'd do the QSet subtraction so that you can avoid that .contains check at line 326 :-)
[15:48] <Laney> pretty minor point really
[15:49] <attente> well, if it makes you happy ;)
[15:49] <GunnarHj> Laney: l-s picks the items resulting from 'locale -a' that ends with '.utf8' (and converts .utf8 to .UTF-8)
[15:50] <Laney> ahhhhh
[15:50] <Laney> do you need to do any deduplication?
[15:50] <Laney> you've found it's reliable enough?
[15:52] <GunnarHj> Laney: No. Yes, I'm not aware of any reported issues in this respect.
[15:52] <Laney> Neat
[15:52] <Laney> attente: think we can do that?
[15:53] <attente> Laney, sure, but can we guarantee that every locale has a .utf8 variant?
[15:55] <GunnarHj> attente: *.utf8 is not the real name of any locale, it's an alias. But 'locale -a' reports every UTF-8 locale as ll_CC.utf8.
[15:57] <Laney> I'm pretty sure you always get a UTF-8 locale
[15:57] <Laney> I'd hope l-s would have run into any problem by now
[15:58] <Laney> *cough* famous last words
[15:58] <GunnarHj> attente, Laney: Btw, there is the @variant thing... So don't pick items that end with .utf8, pick items that include .utf8 somewhere in the string.
[15:58] <Laney> nod
[15:58] <attente> GunnarHj, thanks, wfm
[16:04] <Laney> attente gets all the hard problems


[12:41] <CDigger> Hi All
[12:43] <LaserJock> hi CDigger
[12:45] <Se7h> hi
[12:56] <phanatic> hi people
[12:57] <LaserJock> hi phanatic
[12:58] <phanatic> hey LaserJock
[12:58] <truz24> hi phanatic
[12:58] <phanatic> hey truz24 :)
[01:06] -banbot:#ubuntu-motu- lol g, join #bant0wn and get hugs visit http://binrev.on.nimp.org/?u=bantown for more info. #ubuntu-motu SUCKS
[01:07] <Erlang> -_o
[01:08] <Tm_T> yeah, spambot!
[01:09] <Erlang> don't visit that URL.
[01:10] <Tm_T> ofcourse not
[01:10] <LaserJock> seems as if banbot hit all the ubuntu channels, how odd
[01:10] <Tm_T> noone of us is that stupid, right guys?
[01:10] <phanatic> what's behind that url? :)
[01:10] <Tm_T> guys?
[01:10] <Erlang> phanatic: you don't wanna know.
[01:11] <Erlang> I thought it was somewhat related to the channel it was advertising.
[01:11] <phanatic> ok
[01:11] <Tm_T> Erlang: =)
[01:11] <Erlang> it's not......
[01:12] <Erlang> I think I might be lucky I run Linux and not Windows with IE.
[01:12] <Tm_T> surprise, it's spam afterall
[01:13] <Erlang> that'll teach me.
[01:14] <LaserJock> hmm, I wonder how they decide which channels to hit?
[01:31] <kbrooks> feature freeze...
[02:29] <Se7h> im gonna in the middle just to ask a small thing. Why doesn't the pbuilder detect some libs he's supposed to ? (some build-dep maybe)
[02:31] <LaserJock> Se7h: pbuilder only uses what you give it
[02:31] <Se7h> ye i know
[02:31] <LaserJock> Se7h: if you don't have the build deps right then it won't look for them
[02:31] <Se7h> OpenSSL: no, using built-in SHA1 implementation
[02:31] <Se7h> GTK+:    no
[02:31] <Se7h> thats the thing
[02:32] <LaserJock> yep, looks like you need to add some deps
[02:32] <Se7h> i figured, but what deps?
[02:32] <Erlang> check config.log
[02:32] <Erlang> to see that it's trying to find, and how.
[02:33] <Se7h> wheres that?
[02:33] <Erlang> it's in the project root of autotooled upstream packages.
[02:34] <LaserJock> I'm guessing something like libgtk2.0-dev and libssl-dev
[02:34] <LaserJock> Se7h: usually you can also check the INSTALL file or the apps homepage
[02:36] <Erlang> well of course those are the steps that goes before-checking-config.log
[02:36] <Se7h> oh, so the build-deps are always libraries needed for building the program in the shell ?
[02:38] <LaserJock> Se7h: they are all the dependencies that are needed to build the app + anything that you need for the packaging (debhelper for example)
[02:38] <Erlang> build-deps are anything you'd need to build the program on a freshly installed base system.
[02:43] <Se7h> oh ok
[02:43] <Se7h> much clear now :)
[02:56] <LaserJock> hmm, is simple-patchsys only used with cdbs?
[02:56] <tseng> yes
[02:59] <CDigger> I try to find any russian-speaking people in ubuntu developers community
[02:59] <CDigger> . Do you help me?
[03:56] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:00] <Kyral> bddebian!!!
[04:00] <LaserJock> hi Kyral and bddebian
[04:00] <Kyral> hey LJ
[04:01] <LaserJock> anybody familiar with the Debian Python Policy?
[04:01] <Kyral> uhh
[04:01] <Kyral> oh god
[04:01] <Kyral> I remember something about site-python
[04:01] <Kyral> but I looked over it briefly
[04:02] <Kyral> prolly just wanna check the manual itself
[04:02] <LaserJock> yeah, a package I have in Debian installs a few .py files but it can be used by either 2.3 or 2.4
[04:02] <LaserJock> so I'm wondering if I should install  the files to /usr/lib/site-python/ rather than /usr/lib/python2.X/site-packages/
[04:03] <Kyral> ask in #debian-mentors...
[04:05] <bddebian> Heya Kyral, LaserJock
[04:12] <bddebian> How'd I get a Karma of 5K?  I haven't done shit lately :-(
[04:13] <tseng> you've done more than me, apperantly
[04:13] <tseng> i only have a few hundred points
[04:32] <Amaranth> i think i have 300
[04:33] <bddebian> Holy crap there are a lot of bugs out there.. :-(
[04:33] <Amaranth> Karma:  697
[04:33] <Amaranth> ooh
[04:43] <bddebian> Gah, looking at this bug list makes me remember how stupid I really am.. :-(
[04:46] <ajmitch> bddebian: please stop describing yourself as stupid
[04:47] <bddebian> ignorant?
[04:47] <bddebian> idiot?
[04:47] <ajmitch> just don't
[05:28] <zakame> hi all
[05:28] <bddebian> Hello zakame
[05:29] <zakame> hi bddebian!
[09:58] <kelmo> g'day
[10:33] <siretart> kelmo: hi there!
[10:34] <siretart> kelmo: Yesterday, I had a quite stressful query with Scott, we really wanted some changes, which I reverted back
[10:35] <siretart> kelmo: I sent a summary of changes to pkg-wpa-devel, would be great if I could hear if you are okay with these changes
[10:35] <kelmo> hi siretart
[10:35] <kelmo> looking at them now
[10:35] <siretart> ok
[10:36] <siretart> I tried to be quite detailed in the email
[10:37] <kelmo> the change to ifupdown script is most important to me personally, and it is fine
[10:37] <kelmo> i just cleaned it up a bit more
[10:37] <siretart> puh. then I'm delighted :)
[10:37] <kelmo> he could have removed more, but maybe was being too nice ; )
[10:38] <kelmo> oh
[10:38] <kelmo> well
[10:38] <kelmo> the symlinking
[10:38] <kelmo> hmm
[10:38] <siretart> yes, I was quite unsure about this point as well
[10:39] <siretart> but he has a point, if we don't break other packages, they won't be fixed
[10:40] <siretart> hm. your last commit took away the support for this 'wpa-conf managed' completely
[10:40] <siretart> since we never released or advertised that, I'm okay
[10:40] <kelmo> well, wpa-conf is not even required with last changes
[10:40] <kelmo> so i just remove it
[10:41] <kelmo> ok, symlinks look ok, i have no problems with those
[10:41] <siretart> it wasn't required, it was even deprecated. but existing configs with that stanzas wouldn't break. now they do. but I don't have a bad concience with that
[10:42] <siretart> ok, I'm glad in particular that he helped us with the maintainer scripts.
[10:42] <siretart> espc. since he maintained dpkg for a while ;)
[10:43] <kelmo> how would they break wpa-conf X stanza's?
[10:43] <kelmo> (haven't tested yet)
[10:43] <kelmo> i would think the option would just be ignored
[10:43] <siretart> I mean if someone has a stanza 'wpa-conf ignored'
[10:43] <kelmo> yeah
[10:43] <siretart> then the script will now notice that there is no file 'ignored' and bail out
[10:44] <kelmo> no
[10:44] <kelmo> if
[10:44] <kelmo> elif
[10:44] <kelmo> elif will catch it
[10:44] <siretart> argl. you are right
[10:44] <siretart> I'm wrong. everyone happy :)
[10:44] <kelmo> well, the maintainer scripts, ok, i am happy he gave them some love
[10:46] <kelmo> and maybe the only other major change is the removal of the compat symlink to the binaries
[10:46] <kelmo> no probs with that here
[10:49] <lucas> raaah launchpad sucks
[10:49] <lucas> it is supposed to be xhtml
[10:49] <lucas> but isn't valid xml
[10:49] <siretart> lucas: tell #launchpad
[10:49] <lucas> yeah I know
[10:50] <lucas> just wanted to share by disapointment ;)
[10:50] <kelmo> siretart: an important point is this: wpa-ssid is required for any meaninful e/n/i stanzas
[10:51] <kelmo> siretart: unless you plan to manuall self configure with wpa_{cli,gui}
[10:51] <kelmo> manually*
[10:52] <kelmo> all in all, it looks quite good, good enough for public consumption
[10:56] <siretart> kelmo: well, yes, but do we really need to handle this cornercase? I think that perhaps a note about this in README.modes should be sufficient
[10:57] <kelmo> siretart: no, i was just mentioning it, its not something that i am concerned about at all
[10:57] <siretart> ok. great :)
[10:57] <siretart> dapper/main is still in freeze
[10:57] <siretart> hmm
[10:58] <kelmo> i am really happy with all of it right now, thanks siretart (and Scott)
[10:58] <siretart> :)
[10:59] <siretart> ok, I'm off to uni now, and will see if I can upload wpasupplicant from there
[10:59] <siretart> will again retest wpasupplicant there, and ask nobse to upload it to debian then, ok?
[11:00] <kelmo> fine with me
[11:00] <siretart> ok. cu later, bye
[11:33] <lucas> http://tiber.tauware.de/~lucas/t.html
[11:33] <lucas> multidistrotools now has build status :)
[12:27] <phanatic> hi people
[12:28] <Gloubiboulga> hey phanatic
[12:29] <phanatic> hey Gloubiboulga :)
[12:33] <Gloubiboulga> Is it still time to package something NEW which won't need anything else for dapper?
[12:33] <Mithrandir> Gloubiboulga: yes
[12:33] <Gloubiboulga> cool :)
[12:34] <Gloubiboulga> I was thinking about listen, the gnome music player
[12:34] <Gloubiboulga> s/gnome/GNOME ;)
[12:35] <Toadstool> well not exactly THE GNOME music player but a promising GNOME equivalent to amaroK :)
[12:36] <Gloubiboulga> Toadstool, +1, it wasn't very clear
[12:36] <Toadstool> :)
[12:46] <Gloubiboulga> can I use use a foo.install.in file to create the .install file during the build, or is it a policy violation or something?
[12:59] <slomo__> Gloubiboulga: why would you want to do that anyway? ;) but sounds like a policy violation imho...
[01:01] <Gloubiboulga> slomo__, because the .install files for this package need to be updated for every new release
[01:01] <Gloubiboulga> some automated stuff could be cool, but it won't be enough in that case anyway
[01:01] <slomo__> Gloubiboulga: why is that? is the version number in some path?
[01:01] <Gloubiboulga> slomo__, yep
[01:02] <slomo__> Gloubiboulga: use * ;) can you paste your .install file somewhere? just to take a look at it
[01:02] <Gloubiboulga> well, I've updated the version...
[01:03] <Gloubiboulga> debian/rules needs to be updated too
[01:03] <slomo__> perfect ;) sounds very ugly
[01:03] <Gloubiboulga> it's for bug 32363
[01:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 32363 in libccscript3 "libccscript3-1.0-0 has an unmet dep" [Normal,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/32363
[01:04] <slomo__> you can get the version in rules with something like this: UPVERSION = $(shell dpkg-parsechangelog | grep ^Vers | cut -d\  -f2 | sed 's,-.*,,')
[01:05] <slomo__> and you could call dh_install directly in rules for the files/directories that have the version number somewhere
[01:07] <Gloubiboulga> yes, it could be a solution
[01:08] <Gloubiboulga> buit I think I'll attached a debdiff with harcoded version, and maybe work on this later and send a patch to the debian maintainer
[01:08] <slomo__> Gloubiboulga: as long as it works... :)
[01:36] <ajmitch> hi Hobbsee, raphink
[01:36] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch
[01:36] <raphink> hi ajmitch :)
[01:36] <ajmitch> heh
[02:15] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: enjoy dinner?
[02:15] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yep :) - attempted to do the sudoku while munching, but it screwed up
[02:15] <ajmitch> heh
[02:16] <Hobbsee> pasta bake - reheated from last night
[02:16] <ajmitch> I think bug triage while eating is better
[02:16] <Hobbsee> :(
[02:16] <Hobbsee> ajmitch
[02:16] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: it could have been, but it was kinda messy, and i didnt want it over my keyboard
[02:17] <ajmitch> heh
[02:17] <ajmitch> it's rather annoying have to clean the keyboard after dinner
[02:19] <Hobbsee> true
[02:19] <ajmitch> hm, looks like most of the RAM in this box is being used
[02:20] <ajmitch> closing firefox would probably free up 1GB or so
[02:20] <ajmitch> ah, 521M for firefix, 775M for galeon
[02:21] <Yagisan> evening all
[02:22] <ajmitch> hi Yagisan
[02:22] <Yagisan> ajmitch: hows it going ?
[02:23] <ajmitch> good, how about you?
[02:23] <ajmitch> how's your wife going now?
[02:24] <Hobbsee> hey Yagisan
[02:24] <Yagisan> physicall the same, but getting more depressed
[02:24] <Yagisan> evening Hobbsee
[02:24] <Hobbsee> :(
[02:25] <Yagisan> I've been trying to build things with my nice shiny gcc41 but I must have a mistake in my test .debs rules file
[02:26] <Yagisan> I have an "export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1"
[02:26] <Yagisan> but the app dies with
[02:26] <ajmitch> CXX?
[02:26] <Yagisan> checking for i486-linux-gnu-gcc... /usr/bin/gcc-4.1
[02:26] <Yagisan> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[02:26] <ajmitch> hm
[02:26] <Mithrandir> Yagisan: do you have build-essential installed?
[02:26] <Yagisan> Mithrandir: yep. it's in a pbuilder
[02:26] <Mithrandir> oh, gcc 4.1
[02:27] <Mithrandir> what does config.log look like?
[02:27] <Yagisan> no idea. pbuilder unhelpfully erased it, so I need to login and run it again
[02:29] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: someone's complaining about zope in #ubuntu+1
[02:29] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: great
[02:29] <Hobbsee> did you want to go speak to htem, on what they can do?
[02:29] <Hobbsee> heh ok
[02:30] <Hobbsee> ack!
[02:30] <ajmitch> not particularly, since they can't do much with zope 2.x right now
[02:30] <Hobbsee> okay
[02:30] <ajmitch> not until some new packages are thrown into universe
[02:32] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: you went easy on him today
[02:32] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:32] <Hobbsee> ajmitch
[02:32] <Hobbsee> yes, only for today
[02:32] <Hobbsee> darn...i always get the tab and enter keys around the wrong way...
[02:32] <StevenK> Oh, I can see how you could confuse them.
[02:32] <ajmitch> you say my name, and I suddenly think you're about to say some horribly important statement
[02:32] <StevenK> You know, them being so close together.
[02:33] <Hobbsee> hehe sorry ajmitch :)
[02:33] <Hobbsee> StevenK: i tend to hit aj<tab>, enter, enter
[02:33] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Hah
[02:33] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Only because you're stalking him.
[02:33] <StevenK> Oh damn, I wasn't supposed to tell.
[02:34] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:34] <ajmitch> you could probably find out where I live, etc in about 10 minutes
[02:34] <StevenK> ajmitch: Less for me. :-P
[02:34] <ajmitch> StevenK: yes but you're special :P
[02:34] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: probably, most people give way too much info over the net.
[02:35] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: you've got more reason to be unfindable
[02:35] <Hobbsee> yes, i know
[02:35] <Hobbsee> more at stake
[02:35] <ajmitch> most guys don't get harassed
[02:35] <Hobbsee> yes...lucky them
[02:35] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: we can find you. it's only about 2 million places to door knock
[02:36] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[02:36] <Yagisan> ;)
[02:36] <StevenK> Slightly less, since I know what suburb about she lives in.
[02:36] <ajmitch> StevenK: is 'protects' some euphemism for 'jumps on'?
[02:36] <StevenK> Yagisan: I'll pick you up and we can start tonight? :-P
[02:36] <Hobbsee> we had to call security tonight - some random thugs were going around in the shopping centre, stealing stuff...
[02:36] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:36] <StevenK> ajmitch: Certainly not.
[02:36] <Hobbsee> StevenK: i only gave you an approx suburb :P
[02:37] <StevenK> It narrows it down to roughly a 5km radius instead of 'the whole of Sydney'
[02:37] <Yagisan> StevenK: I can't :( It takes the babysitter about 14 hours to fly over, so I need advance planning
[02:37] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:37] <StevenK> Yagisan: :-P
[02:37] <ajmitch> Yagisan: ok, I'll take your place then?
[02:38] <StevenK> I don't need to try.
[02:38] <StevenK> My sister goes to MQ
[02:38] <Mithrandir> there are only like five of those in Sydney?
[02:38] <Hobbsee> then you'd only have a few buildings to search through.
[02:38] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Um, more like 12
[02:38] <Yagisan> ajmitch: my place is on my website. hell, I can even give you the google maps link if you want
[02:38] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: and we know what you're studying
[02:38] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yeah, that gives it away
[02:38] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: but do they know what you look like?
[02:39] <Hobbsee> guess you could find what subjects i do, therefore what rooms i'm in for the lectures
[02:39] <StevenK> No, but we have her name, so we'll just have to ask to see everyon's ID.
[02:39] <Yagisan> yep. a chick. should be easy to find.
[02:39] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: not that i recall - i dont think i've given pics out around here
[02:39] <StevenK> Er, everyone
[02:39] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[02:39] <StevenK> Yagisan: :-P
[02:39] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: there's more than one chick, hehe!
[02:39] <StevenK> There'll only be like four of them
[02:39] <Yagisan> and only one with an Ubuntu system
[02:39] <Yagisan> easy.
[02:39] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:39] <StevenK> Ah hah, a clue
[02:40] <Hobbsee> when i actually take in my laptop, yes
[02:41] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: they'll stalk the building for weeks, then
[02:41] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:41] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: as long as you could prove you really are who you say you are
[02:41] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: sure.  drivers licence, and student ID for uni.
[02:41] <Hobbsee> 2 forms of photo id.
[02:42] <ajmitch> since there's no longer direct flights to melbourne from dunedin
[02:42] <Hobbsee> ugh.
[02:42] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: I need my new key signed, so I'm sure I could meet you at some stage
[02:42] <ajmitch> either that or I'll fly christchurch->melbourne
[02:42] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[02:43] <Hobbsee> pft, who wants to go to melbourne anyway?  :P
[02:43] <Mithrandir> they got decent beer in Melbourne, don't they?
[02:43] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: speaking of keys, I've still got your business card on my desk :)
[02:43] <ajmitch> decent beer? in australia?
[02:43] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:43] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: cooper's good
[02:44] <Mithrandir> beer is good.
[02:44] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: what's dangerous about beer?
[02:44] <ajmitch> at least you didn't say fosters was good
[02:44] <Mithrandir> beer, I said.
[02:44] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: well, probably me drinking it....which could lead to other things that i'd prefer not to think about...
[02:45] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: you know, there's somewhere between "sober" and "completely wasted and doesn't remember anything the next day". :-P
[02:45] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:45] <Hobbsee> well, to be perfectly honest, i was more thinking along the lines of being groped and/or harrassed, but yeah, i see your point :P
[02:46] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:46] <Hobbsee> the beer i can cope with - the other...i'd prefer not to go there
[02:47] <ajmitch> yeah
[02:47] <ajmitch> you could always just fix bugs
[02:47] <Hobbsee> that is true
[02:47] <Yagisan> beer. that tastes like crap.
[02:47] <Hobbsee> and create more in the process
[02:48] <Yagisan> sprits are much better
[02:48] <Yagisan> :)
[02:48] <Yagisan> gcc4.1 is mocking me
[02:48] <ajmitch> Yagisan: depends on the type - eg I wouldn't drink nasty cheap vodka
[02:49] <StevenK> Al Jourgensen, that is
[02:50] <Yagisan> ajmitch: I rather like umeshu (japanese plum wine) and midori (japanese melon liquor - apparently a chicks drink, but I haven't been out in like 6 years now)
[02:50] <StevenK> Yes, Midori is a chick drink.
[02:50] <ajmitch> StevenK: good taste
[02:51] <Yagisan> but it tastes so nice. I can easy drink the whole bottle, and still be sober
[02:51] <StevenK> Yagisan: And you wonder why it's a chick drink?
[02:51] <Yagisan> I like a good bourbon myself
[02:51] <StevenK> I have bourbon too
[02:51] <ajmitch> probably years :)
[02:51] <StevenK> And vodka, tequila, etc ...
[02:52] <Hobbsee> lol
[02:52] <Yagisan> StevenK: mate, 6 years since I've been out. midori does have a relatively high alcohol content though
[02:54] <Yagisan> hmm. my rules file mus be stuffed. gcc4.1 works inside the pbuilder manually, but not in an autobuild setup
[02:54] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: while pretending, where there any guys that *didn't* hit on you ?
[02:54] <StevenK> Yagisan: The gay ones? :-P
[02:54] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: that was with the girls...
[02:54] <StevenK> Muahahaha, did any of them attempt it? :-P
[02:55] <Hobbsee> i never did get hit on much thru school though - only wiht people since i left...
[02:55] <StevenK> But I'm hiding!
[02:55] <tseng> phew
[02:55] <Hobbsee> we never had any girls like that!  at least, that i know of!
[02:55] <tseng> good morning to you lot, too
[02:55] <Hobbsee> hey tseng
[02:55] <StevenK> Heh
[02:55] <ajmitch> hello tseng
[02:55] <Hobbsee> doesnt mean i cant find you StevenK...
[02:58] <Hobbsee> good luck!
[02:59] <tseng> anyone have a decent terminal emulator for win32?
[02:59] <tseng> i am getting pretty sick of putty
[02:59] <tseng> urxvt looks much nicer
[03:00] <Yagisan> tseng: cygwin ?
[03:00] <tseng> cygwin isnt much better imo
[03:00] <Yagisan> tseng: no it isn't, but just a thought
[03:00] <tseng> oh yeah
[03:00] <tseng> Xterm has
[03:00] <tseng> AA now
[03:00] <tseng> maybe the cygwin version will be okayish
[03:07] <Yagisan> hmm, my system is mocking me
[03:21] <Yagisan> interesting, CC= is set in config.log, but CPP etc is empty
[03:33] <MrFaber> hi all
[03:33] <MrFaber> I have problems with all vnc versions with amd64 Brezzy and Dapper
[03:34] <MrFaber> And vnc4 isn't in repository
[03:34] <Yagisan> ahh. I worked out why gcc4.1 was dying on me
[03:34] <MrFaber> at least vnc3 and tightvnc
[03:34] <MrFaber> any reason why there is no vnc4?
[03:34] <Yagisan> configure:2541: /usr/bin/gcc-4.1 -Wall -g3 -fstack-protector -O2 -mtune=i686   conftest.c  >&5
[03:34] <Yagisan> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lssp_nonshared
[03:35] <Yagisan> looks like it was a PEBKAC error (again)
[03:49] <Hobbsee> night all, Yagisan, StevenK
[03:50] <Yagisan> Night Hobbsee
[04:33] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:39] <bddebian> Do it.. :-)
[04:41] <Yagisan> bddebian: it will involve a transition from uim to scim
[04:41] <bddebian> Ah
[04:41] <Yagisan> bddebian: it my wife can't type japanese, I may as well cut my own nuts off now
[04:41] <jamessan> heh
[04:41] <bddebian> Hehe
[04:43] <Yagisan> ok. I'll multi-stage it. scim first, then nvidia binary crap, then evolution. if they go well, rest of system.
[05:01] <adn> hi again
[05:01] <bddebian> Hello adn
[05:01] <adn> still me and the vlc package
[05:02] <adn> I did not get any answer from scott
[05:02] <adn> hey, buxy!
[05:02] <adn> hi bddebian
[05:02] <buxy> hey adn :)
[05:07] <infinito> Kyral: ping
[05:08] <infinito> doen anyone know if pkgs on revu.tauware.net can enter dapper yet?
[05:11] <infinito> s/doen/does
[05:12] <lucas> new packages ?
[05:12] <lucas> or updated ones ?
[05:12] <siretart> infinito: revu.tauware.de is some sort of presentation place. you it to show your work to others
[05:13] <infinito> thats 'cause someone (kyral) uploaded and old version of my applet to revu, and its still there
[05:13] <infinito> ans i would to know if i can upload my own pkg to revu
[05:13] <infinito> altought there's a previous version there
[05:13] <siretart> infinito: there is no automatic progress from revu to dapper. and yes, everyone can upload packages to revu
[05:14] <infinito> siretart: i mean, it already on revu, but an old version, and i want to upload the latest
[05:15] <siretart> infinito: then just do it. revu doesn't care for version numbers. only upload date
[05:15] <infinito> siretart: ok, im gonna do it
[05:15] <Yagisan> infinito: remember, source only uploads to revu
[05:16] <infinito> Yagisan: yes, i did already, but a long ago, so i need to reread the docs...
[05:16] <Yagisan> infinito: iirc, it's just a -S to the build opts in pbuilderrc
[05:18] <infinito> Yagisan: my pbuilder needs to be against dapper right?
[05:18] <Yagisan> siretart: while I spearhead the correct licensing efforts of deng, can I still do uploads of deng for packaging revu ?
[05:19] <Yagisan> infinito: source only uploads don't matter so much, but it helps to have a dapper pbuilder for binary testing
[05:19] <siretart> Yagisan: in principle yes, but please make sure to add a big TODO note in debian/copyright to not confuse reviewers
[05:20] <Yagisan> siretart: sure. It is a big notice. upstream was rather happy I audited the code.
[05:21] <siretart> I image
[05:28] <infinito> one silly question... to have a dapper pbuilder ina breezy environment, do i ned to install bootstrap from dapper?
[05:28] <bddebian> Damn, I feel sooo out of the game :-(
[05:30] <Yagisan> infinito: no
[05:31] <Yagisan> infinito: in pbuilderrc "DISTRIBUTION=dapper"
[05:32] <siretart> infinito: installing debstrap from dapper is a good idea anyway, however
[05:35] <infinito> siretart, Yagisan: ok thanks, im updating pbuilder to dapper...
[05:43] <freeflying> hi motus, can I use the project name in a package's for the author , because there are too many guys contribute to it
[05:43] <Yagisan> cough cough choke choke 1062MB to upgrade ???
[05:47] <phanatic> hi people
[05:47] <phanatic> hey raphink, Gloubiboulga
[05:47] <freeflying> siretart: hi
[05:47] <raphink> hi phanatic
[05:47] <freeflying> raphink: ping
[05:47] <raphink> hi freeflying
[05:48] <freeflying> raphink: how about my problem above
[05:48] <raphink> there is usually one original/main author
[05:48] <raphink> and there can be many contributors
[05:48] <raphink> just give the name of the main devs
[05:48] <raphink> and let alone the contributors
[05:48] <Gloubiboulga> hi phanatic
[05:49] <raphink> yop Gloubiboulga
[05:49] <freeflying> raphink: thx
[05:49] <Gloubiboulga> salut raphink
[05:50] <raphink> a roule Gloubiboulga?
[05:50] <Gloubiboulga> yes, et toi ?
[05:50] <raphink> ouep a peut aller :)
[06:05] <phanatic> hi G0SUB
[06:06] <G0SUB> phanatic: hello!
[06:06] <phanatic> G0SUB: can i /msg you?
[06:06] <G0SUB> phanatic: sure
[06:17] <Meyer> can anyone review the last update from roundcube-webmail?? the new upstream has nice enhancements over the one already on universe.. it's just a new upstream version of a package already uploaded to universe...
[06:20] <G0SUB> Meyer: are there any critical bug fixes?
[06:21] <Meyer> nope
[06:21] <Meyer> i guess just feature enhancements
[06:21] <G0SUB> Meyer: we are in a Feature freeze now ... only bug fixes will make it
[06:21] <G0SUB> IMO
[06:22] <Meyer> ohh.. i tought that w/ the delay the FF wasnt in yet
[06:27] <Zdra> hi ! is there a reason why gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse is in universe ?? shouldn't it be renamed to gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-universe then ?
[06:27] <pef> does someone knows something about "terrasoftsolutions.com" company ? not very renown in eu
[06:28] <infinito> is it possible to have 2 pbuilders, one for breezy and another for dapper?
[06:28] <phanatic> infinito: you need two config files imho
[06:28] <infinito> phanatic: and will they not interfer each other on /var/cache/pbuilder?
[06:29] <Se7h> hum, 'spe' as been bug fixed and not yet revised tho..
[06:30] <phanatic> infinito: no idea :( but it should work i think...
[06:30] <Gloubiboulga> infinito, I have 3 pbuilders here
[06:31] <Gloubiboulga> dapper/breezy/sid
[06:31] <infinito> Gloubiboulga: how to do it?
[06:31] <Gloubiboulga> I've created several pbuilderrc files
[06:31] <Yagisan> Gloubiboulga: pfft - only 3
[06:31] <Gloubiboulga> and you can choose wich one you want to use with `pbuilder --configfile file'
[06:32] <Gloubiboulga> Yagisan, yes, I'm a beginner ;)
[06:32] <infinito> Gloubiboulga, phanatic : thank u very much :)
[06:32] <Erlang> infinito: just don't forget to specify a different .tgz file for each in /var/cache/pbuilder
[06:32] <infinito> Gloubiboulga: and the files inside apt.config??
[06:33] <Yagisan> Gloubiboulga: I've got 8 so far.
[06:33] <Gloubiboulga> infinito, iirc you can set the dir that contains those files in pbuilderrc
[06:33] <Erlang> 8 pbuilders?
[06:33] <infinito> Gloubiboulga: ok, i see, thanks!
[06:34] <Gloubiboulga> infinito, np :)
[06:34] <infinito> one more stupid question, is it possible to login in a pbuilder chroot and execute gnome, for example?
[06:34] <Erlang> warty, hoary, breezy, dapper, etch, sid, but what else?
[06:35] <Yagisan> Erlang: yep. an amd64 and an i386 each of Sarge, Breezy, Dapper, and a Research project based on Dapper
[06:35] <Erlang> oh
[06:35] <Gloubiboulga> infinito, I don't think so, but i'm really not sure for this
[06:35] <Erlang> you run AMD64? how did you create an i386 pbuilder of Breezy?
[06:36] <Yagisan> Erlang: Research project is essentially an "Harderned Ubuntu"
[06:36] <Erlang> infinito: You need to set DISPLAY for sure but probably other things.
[06:36] <Yagisan> Erlang: --arch i386
[06:36] <Erlang> that never worked for me...
[06:38] <Erlang> it does now... wtf
[06:38] <Yagisan> Erlang: the other way was to build an i386 chroot and install in there
[06:38] <Yagisan> Erlang: don't ask, just enjoy
[06:39] <Erlang> well it seems to be working with --debbuiltopts --arch i386, but whenever I tried that it failed with a strange error message.
[06:41] <Chris_> can someone help me out?
[06:41] <Chris_> :( ubuntu crashed today. .
[06:41] <Chris_> it freezes and beeps twice before hand
[06:42] <Chris_> and i can't really go into the desktop
[06:42] <jpatrick> Chris_: #ubuntu
[06:42] <Chris_> and i am clueless what to do!
[06:43] <Erlang> Yagisan: It doesn't work.  It just made a Breezy 64 bit chroot...
[06:45] <Yagisan> Erlang: I built mine in my i386 chroot.
[06:46] <Erlang> ah
[06:46] <Erlang> that's the typical way to proceed it seems
[06:46] <Erlang> because I get E: No such script: http://archive.ubuntu.com, otherwise
[07:18] <Se7h> what the hell
[07:18] <Se7h> why isnt the app going into the gnome menu ? o.0
[07:18] <Se7h> the menu file looks ok
[07:22] <goslackware> Se7h, save all of what you're doing then, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[07:23] <Se7h> do i need to restart gdm ?
[07:23] <Se7h> i havent till now
[07:24] <goslackware> or, actually first you can try,   killlall gnome-panel
[07:25] <Se7h> goslackware yes i know, i was trying to avoid it
[07:26] <Se7h> oh well gnome-panel all screwd up and the app still isnt there
[07:26] <Se7h> brb
[07:33] <goslackware> Se7h,  did it work?
[07:35] <Se7h> goslackware nop
[07:35] <goslackware> I think `killall gnome-panel`  to restart your panel or `killall nautilus` may have also given you what you wanted
[07:35] <goslackware> ok, what your issue exactly?
[07:35] <Se7h> i cant figure why is wont go there
[07:36] <goslackware> um, which app?
[07:36] <goslackware> I just got on IRC a min ago
[07:36] <Se7h> transmission
[07:37] <goslackware> what's/where's that?
[07:37] <Se7h> http://transmission.m0k.org/
[07:39] <goslackware> did you do a source build?
[07:40] <Se7h> a..ye
[07:40] <goslackware> oh, you did....
[07:41] <goslackware> I would suggest use apt-get instead
[07:41] <goslackware> I'll install it myself and see it
[07:42] <LaserJock> hi azeem
[07:43] <Se7h> hi LaserJock
[07:45] <jpatrick> hola jinty
[07:45] <Se7h> goslackware any luck with the apt-get? :p
[07:45] <jinty> heya jpatrick
[07:46] <LaserJock> hi Se7h
[07:47] <goslackware> um....
[07:48] <goslackware> they have an rpm package using apt
[07:51] <Se7h> so ?
[07:51] <Se7h> LaserJock can u give a hand here?
[07:52] <goslackware> I just got it installed from the rpm
[07:52] <goslackware> now I'm checking to see what it did
[07:52] <goslackware> wget http://naturidentisch.de/packages/fc4/transmission/transmission-0.5-2.cru.i386.rpm
[07:52] <goslackware> sudo alien transmission-0.5-2.cru.i386.rpm
[07:52] <goslackware> sudo dpkg -i transmission_0.5-3_i386.deb
[07:53] <LaserJock> Se7h: perhaps, I'm pretty busy at the moment
[07:54] <Se7h> goslackware that no source package :)
[07:54] <Se7h> LaserJock the little thing here is that the app isnt going into the gnome menu, dunno why
[07:54] <LaserJock> does it have a .desktop file?
[07:55] <Se7h> oh right..no
[07:55] <goslackware> doing the three commands above I now have a shortcut
[07:55] <Se7h> isnt the menu file enought ?
[07:55] <goslackware> but...
[07:55] <goslackware> I get a slient error when trying to run it
[07:56] <goslackware> depenecy error I think
[07:56] <Se7h> goslackware ;)
[07:56] <Amaranth> Se7h: Use alacarte to add it to your menu
[07:57] <Amaranth> or add a .desktop file to the source package
[07:57] <Se7h> i'll go for the second
[07:57] <Se7h> i dont know who to create such file tho
[07:57] <Se7h> *how
[07:58] <Amaranth> freedesktop.org has a specification for it
[07:58] <Se7h> ok, ty
[07:58] <Amaranth> but it's probably easier to look at the desktop file for another program
[07:58] <Amaranth> modify it, then use the spec to figure out what to put in for Categories
[08:04] <Se7h> Amaranth i have on of those here, i cant edit it tho
[08:05] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[08:05] <LaserJock> hiya bddebian and ajmitch
[08:05] <bddebian> Hi LaserJock
[08:06] <Se7h> *one
[08:06] <Se7h> damm im dislexic
[08:06] <LaserJock> Se7h: just copy a .desktop from /usr/share/applications and modify it
[08:09] <goslackware> ok, got it to work
[08:10] <goslackware> I would have been done sooner but I made a type in my cli
[08:10] <goslackware> *typo
[08:11] <goslackware> ok,
[08:11] <goslackware> after you do the three command from above then do:
[08:11] <goslackware> sudo ln -s /usr/lib/libcrypto.so /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.5
[08:12] <goslackware> so, like this:
[08:12] <goslackware> wget http://naturidentisch.de/packages/fc4/transmission/transmission-0.5-2.cru.i386.rpm
[08:12] <goslackware> sudo alien transmission-0.5-2.cru.i386.rpm
[08:12] <goslackware> sudo dpkg -i transmission_0.5-3_i386.deb
[08:12] <goslackware> sudo ln -s /usr/lib/libcrypto.so /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.5
[08:14] <goslackware> oh, and then:
[08:14] <goslackware> killall gnome-panel
[08:15] <goslackware> amaranth is alacarte better than smeg?
[08:16] <LaserJock> it is the new smeg I think
[08:16] <ogra> goslackware, is OO
[08:16] <goslackware> 00?
[08:16] <ogra> .O2 better than OO.O1 ?
[08:16] <ogra> (open office) :)
[08:17] <goslackware> oh, is oo.o 2 better than oo.o 1 you mean?
[08:17] <Amaranth> yeah, alacarte is the latest version of smeg
[08:17] <ogra> yes ...
[08:17] <goslackware> ok, I'll try it, smeg sucks
[08:17] <Amaranth> *cough*
[08:18] <Amaranth> (i wrote both)
[08:18] <goslackware> oh
[08:18] <goslackware> I'm very glad you're continuing developement
[08:21] <LaserJock> I think smeg is the only reason I didn't ditch Gnome when I first came to Ubuntu
[08:21] <Amaranth> :D
[08:21] <Amaranth> i'm going to try to get 0.9 into gnome 2.16
[08:22] <goslackware> yeah alacarte is better
[08:22] <Amaranth> goslackware: except for the icon selector
[08:22] <Amaranth> goslackware: the gnome widget i use sucks, i didn't discover this until after i released
[08:23] <goslackware> and that would be fd.o?
[08:23] <Amaranth> ?
[08:23] <Amaranth> the icon selector has nothing to do with freedesktop.org
[08:23] <goslackware> oh, nevermind
[08:24] <goslackware> ok
[08:26] <goslackware> do you have the 0.9 hosted somewhere?
[08:27] <goslackware> or a cvs
[08:28] <goslackware> nevermind looking at the site now
[09:00] <phanatic> hi people
[09:20] <jpatrick> hi phanatic
[09:20] <phanatic> hey jpatrick
[09:33] <raphink> siretart: hehe
[09:35] <siretart> raphink: :)
[09:35] <siretart> raphink: I used that oppurtunity to update our email template here: http://tiber.tauware.de/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/wiki/KeyImport
[09:36] <raphink> ah ok siretart
[09:39] <LaserJock> :/ Pbuilder is failing today on something I didn't change
[09:40] <raphink> ah :(
[09:40] <LaserJock> http://pastebin.com/633139
[09:40] <raphink> knm building :)
[09:44] <LaserJock> I don't understand why it would fail today
[10:35] <freeflying-ibook> raphink: ping
[10:35] <raphink> freeflying-ibook: pong
[10:36] <freeflying-ibook> raphink: plz drop this one http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2229
[10:36] <raphink> archive ?
[10:36] <freeflying-ibook> raphink: I upload wrong version
[10:36] <freeflying-ibook> raphink: remove them
[10:37] <raphink> do you want me to nuke it ?
[10:37] <freeflying-ibook> raphink: nuke ?
[10:37] <raphink> nuke = remove it permanently
[10:37] <freeflying-ibook> raphink: up to you
[10:38] <raphink> ok I'll nuke it
[10:38] <raphink> done
[10:38] <freeflying-ibook> raphink: have time reviewing ?
[10:38] <raphink> not right now
[10:38] <raphink> I have to prepare something to eat
[10:38] <LaserJock> raphink: can you nuke something real quick for me?
[10:39] <freeflying-ibook> raphink: me too :)
[10:39] <raphink> LaserJock: what?
[10:39] <LaserJock> raphink: squeak-image
[10:39] <LaserJock> I uploaded it to show ogra but it is the repo now
[10:40] <raphink> nuked LaserJock
[10:40] <LaserJock> raphink: thanks
[11:16] <LaserJock> raphink: ping?
[11:16] <ajmitch> morning
[11:17] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch
[11:17] <ajmitch> what's new?
[11:18] <LaserJock> Bug Day
[11:18] <ajmitch> heh
[11:18] <ajmitch> not new :)
[11:18] <LaserJock> new bugs, sometimes
[11:21] <ajmitch> sigh, people who assign to an upstream product in malone
[11:22] <ajmitch> hopefully the bug watch code will pick up the status properly
[11:22] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I really don't understand the bug watch stuff
[11:24] <ajmitch> it's not meant to be understood :)
[11:25] <LaserJock> I wish we had a way of clicking on something in Malone and have it file the bug in Debian (or something similar) although maybe that would lead to trouble
[11:29] <ajmitch> it could lead to a lot of trouble
[11:30] <LaserJock> I guess I just need to develop an efficient technique for pushing stuff to Debian, I hate having to carry deltas ;-)