[22:47] <RAOF> attente_: I assume you mean for something like SDL? We're not going to have generic “grabbing”, but you'll be able to create ‘viewport’ surfaces that get the same sort of semantics.


[00:46] <r00t^2> well, go ahead then- let me know your first CVE/USN
[01:14] <lazyPower> ChinnoDog: we have a good majority of that abstracted away in the OpenVPN Juju Charm
[01:14] <lazyPower> as well as some PKI infra managmeent charm(s)
[01:14] <lazyPower> lamont over in #juju is the author of that fantastic suite of charms and loves talking about it :)
[09:30] <rmg51> Morning
[12:09] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else


[18:11] <cmaloney> now
[18:11] <cmaloney> snow
[19:22] <Scary_Guy> Kind of appropriate since it's apparently Christmas for the next two months
[19:38] <jrwren> the joy of never leaving my house... it isn't christmas until december
[20:33] <cmaloney> yes
[20:34] <cmaloney> I spent Halloween in my basement playing drums
[20:34] <cmaloney> hopefully that scared some folks


[05:53] <sebas__> Hi. Is there any firewall by default in edgy server? i can't access mysql from other machines
[05:53] <sebas__> i get this error: "ERROR 2003 (HY000): Can't connect to MySQL server on '<IP_ADDRESS>' (111)"
[05:54] <thom> no, there's no firewall
[05:54] <thom> is it listening on anything other than localhost (or even running)
[05:54] <sebas__> yes, i can access from the server
[05:55] <sebas__> i tried with telnet, from the server i got response but if try from another machine there's no answer
[05:55] <sebas__> maybe it's configured to listen only at localhost?
[05:56] <sebas__> is this the default behavior?
[05:58] <sebas__> ok, solved.. it was the configuration in /etc/mysql/my.cnf
[05:59] <sebas__> by default it's binded only to localhost
[05:59] <sebas__> thanks guys
[05:59] <sebas__> :)
[09:31] <Euler> hi all...anyone here succesfully to a net install of ubuntu on a sun t1000?
[09:41] <shwag> Anyone know the procedure for doing a OS replacement on a remote server? Usually I just rsync the whole filesystem over, with the exception of /sys /proc and /dev , then sometime have to generate a new /dev, fix grub, and configure the network interface.
[09:55] <lullabud> Euler:  i have not, but i'd be very interested to listen in on that discussion since i'm going to be installing on a t2000 shortly.
[10:02] <lullabud> anybody have experience with EVDO cards in dapper?
[10:10] <Euler> i have a verizon evdo card in my dell laptop, and it works, put it's somewhat magical :)
[10:43] <lullabud> Euler:  that's exactly what i'm trying out, but it didn't work.
[10:44] <lullabud> Euler:  i got the EV620 and put it in a latitude d620, and it works fine in windows but doesn't auto-configure in linux.
[10:44] <lullabud> Euler:  i saw some general evdo config pages, but was hoping there might be something specific to ubuntu that would do as you say, something somewhat magical.
[10:47] <Euler> i got my d420 through emperorlinux, and they did the hard parts
[10:49] <lullabud> Euler:  ubuntu?
[10:49] <Euler> yeah
[10:49] <lullabud> hmm....
[10:49] <lullabud> does it dial-on-demand or is it always on?
[10:50] <Euler> no, you have to dial with ppp
[10:50] <Euler> there are a couple config files in /etc/ppp/peers
[10:50] <Euler> works great tho :)
[10:51] <lullabud> yeah, this thing is going to be a life saver.
[10:51] <lullabud> lullabud:  ....now if i can just find a good excuse to ditch the blackberry....
[10:51] <lullabud> oops.  wtf am i talking to myself for.
[10:51] <Euler> heh
[10:53] <Euler> anyone know if canonical really provides server install support?
[10:54] <lullabud> Euler:  they do
[10:54] <lullabud> Euler:  i've e-mailed several times with their tech support to troubleshoot problems on the dell 1950 and 2950.
[10:57] <Euler> cool...i tried to contact them to get a support contract...just wondering when i can expect to hear back....really want to get this T1000 up
[11:06] <lullabud> i'm sure they'd love to help you. :)
[11:07] <lullabud> what a cool company too... i was talking to their partners guy while they were out in my area for a conference and the company sounds really really cool.
[11:08] <lullabud> just a really awesome vibe about it.
[11:08] <Euler> cool
[11:11] <lullabud> yeah.  it's always awesome to talk to people who are progressing in the same ways you are, in this case from RPM distros to .deb distros.


[06:34] <st_iron> Hello
[08:13] <st_iron_> hi
[08:14] <Noskcaj> hey st_iron_
[08:14] <st_iron_> hello
[08:14] <st_iron_> the night shift is here :)
[08:14] <Noskcaj> :)
[08:14] <st_iron_> oops, my phone was online
[08:15] <st_iron> how is life?
[08:21] <Noskcaj> good. I got sponsored $205 by linux australia for my next PC. you?
[08:21] <st_iron> I was invited to Sydney again for a contract work...
[08:22] <st_iron> unfortunately I could not accept it now


[11:39] <blq_> hi
[11:43] <blq_> I just switched to ubuntu 10 on one of my vservers ... I've never used upstart before, and somehow the init scripts dont get executed while booting ... I ve read http://upstart.ubuntu.com/getting-started.html but everything looks fine as far as I can tell :/


[15:06]  * cjwatson lands a rewrite of some more of cdimage in Python, this time build-image-set and friends (just in case anyone notices weird failures)
[15:07]  * ogra_ will only touch find-live-filesystem later today
[15:12] <cjwatson> ogra_: I think I should go and do some other things now, so you're good
[15:12] <ogra_> no hurry, seems i need to do it manually once more anyway
[15:21] <xnox> ogra_: I'm ready with ac100-tarball-installer changes to copy wifi configs if present in the preseed, which will go together with matching upstart reboot upload, which together will make unattended reflash cycle possible.
[15:21] <ogra_> xnox, yay, go ahead :)
[15:21] <xnox> thanks.
[15:54] <xnox> ogra_: everything uploaded \o/
[15:55] <ogra_> xnox, i hope you made sure that the reboot hack only appears on arm :)
[15:55] <xnox> ogra_: there is no hack.
[15:55] <ogra_> not that people accidentially eun it on x86 :)
[15:55] <ogra_> *run
[15:56] <ogra_> oh ? i thought you needed to hack "reboot" for that
[15:56] <xnox> ogra_: reboot syscall supports rebootcommand on all arches. And you need to specify --force to trigger it anyway, which is a good enough safeguard.
[15:56] <ogra_> ah, nice, i wasnt aware !
[15:56] <xnox> ogra_: i had to hack reboot(8) but not reboot(2) =)
[15:56] <ogra_> hehe
[15:57] <xnox> one has to use a syscall though, as glibc wraps reboot in a way that one cannot pass that extra / optional rebootcmd string.
[16:01] <cjwatson> Does anyone still have a system around for which update-manager is showing a partial upgrade due to libreoffice-presenter-console?
[16:02] <cjwatson> If so you might save me from having to construct a system test environment :-)
[16:12] <antarus> cjwatson: curious, what are you using as your VM solution?
[16:16] <stgraber> cjwatson: I might have one, checking. (I have a few 13.04 VMs I haven't updated in a while)
[16:45] <cjwatson> antarus: kvm
[16:51] <stgraber> cjwatson: I think I have a reproducer. Let me confirm that update-manager agrees
[16:55] <stgraber> cjwatson: yep, confirmed, I get a partial upgrade dialog from update-manager
[17:04] <cjwatson> stgraber: Great.  Does http://paste.ubuntu.com/5565209/ help?
[17:05] <stgraber> cjwatson: testing
[17:15] <stgraber> cjwatson: so it appears to work, I'm just surprised by the wording of the upgrader "Updated software has been issued since Ubuntu 13.04 was released." but that's not something you changed.
[17:15] <stgraber> Running an actual upgrade now to confirm it works.
[17:18] <stgraber> cjwatson: worked. The presenter package was removed and the rest was updated.
[17:30] <cjwatson> Great, I'll land that then, thanks
[18:49] <infinity> stgraber: Hrm.  Looks like someone committed something to upstart that makes your daily builds hang on the buildds.
[18:49] <xnox> gasp, was that me?! or is the gcc4.7 revert reverted back
[18:49] <stgraber> infinity: gah, not again... I'll take a look.
[18:50] <stgraber> last time it was gcc-4.7 but I can't remember doko telling me he'd reintroduced the change that caused it
[18:50] <infinity> stgraber: Currently hung on sagari, aatxe, allspice, and centaur.
[18:50] <xnox> my build is hanging https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/1.6.1-1ubuntu3/+build/4326128 =/
[18:50] <xnox> which is for the primary archive.
[18:51] <xnox> infinity: add nasl to the list.
[18:51] <xnox> it did pass on other arches though =/
[18:51] <infinity> xnox: Which "other" arches?
[18:51] <infinity> xnox: I just named all of them.
[18:52] <infinity> xnox: There's a daily hung on every arch.
[18:52]  * xnox is talking about 3/4 successes of this build https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/1.6.1-1ubuntu3 with armhf hanging.
[18:52] <xnox> in addition to the daily build.
[18:52] <infinity> Ahh.  Pure luck, I guess. :/
[18:53]  * xnox ponders if my armhf is the arm cosmic rays that got fixed in trunk, but not backported to 1.6x series.
[18:56] <infinity> Well, can't speak to the armhf/release one, but the trunk build issues should be readily reproducible, given that it did the same thing on 4 arches.
[18:57] <stgraber> I'm doing a test build here
[18:57] <stgraber> I never test built with xnox's change, but trunk right before that was definitely buildable as that's what I used for my last PPA upload
[18:58] <infinity> It's possible doko inadvertently reverted something.  What was the symptom of the last problem?
[18:59] <infinity> This one was a bunch of hung /build/buildd/upstart-1.6.1+1436+1423+201302251008~raring1/util/../init/init --session --no-startup-ev
[18:59]  * xnox thought gcc issue was causing ICE
[18:59] <stgraber> reproduced here, reverting to last known good trunk
[18:59] <xnox> not "gcc issue" per se but an issues between upstart and new gcc4.7, which we are now blaming upstart's overuse of __malloc__
[19:19] <stgraber> xnox: 1434 builds, 1435 doesn't (doing another test to confirm)
[19:19] <stgraber> xnox: so your change isn't the problem as it's 1436
[19:20]  * xnox relaxes a little =)
[19:20] <infinity> stgraber: Definitely not seeing the hang in 1435?  That's comforting.
[19:21] <infinity> Err, 1434.
[19:24] <stgraber> infinity: right, 1434 is fine, 1435 appears to be the problem and the merge that happened between the two was environment related
[19:25] <stgraber> so it's not a toolchain problem, it's a merge that was done with some additional changes to what I actually tested and that wasn't test built properly before merging (or so is my guess)
[19:25] <stgraber> 1435 is:
[19:25] <stgraber>   * Merge of lp:~jamesodhunt/upstart/upstart-no-inherit-env.
[19:25] <infinity> Yeah, I've looked at the diff.
[19:26] <stgraber> oh, actually, I never tried that specific branch, just did a code review on LP. Not sure if anyone actually did a testbuild with it... (everything suggests that didn't happen)
[19:26]  * infinity considers it pretty bad form to just tear out old arguments and replace them, but...
[19:26] <xnox> infinity: i don't think they were ever releases, or have they?
[19:26] <xnox> s/releases/released/
[19:26] <stgraber> infinity: well, we never released with the old argument, so only people using from trunk may be confused.
[19:27] <infinity> Oh, if this is all new code anyway, no big deal.
[19:27] <stgraber> yep, confirmed it's the problem. Currently in a couple of meetings, will fix that right after I'm done.
[19:27] <infinity> Though, I also like the autotools and GCC way of every --foo having a --no-foo inverse, for boolean options like this.  So one could have had both.   As long as no one triggers new ones.
[19:28] <stgraber> ok, good. I'll do a quick check for virt ones as we have a few autobuilds there too...
[19:28]  * xnox is all good. armhf cosmic rays.
[19:29] <stgraber> infinity: did you miss that one? https://launchpad.net/~canonical-foundations/+archive/upstart-daily/+build/4325548
[19:29]  * stgraber just cancelled a couple of virt ones
[19:29] <infinity> stgraber: No, that's new. :/
[19:29] <infinity> stgraber: Note it's only 33m old.
[19:30]  * infinity wonders if someone restarted one of the killed ones.
[19:33] <infinity> Oh, bother.  Being removed from ~canonical-foundations means I can't screw with your PPA.
[19:33] <infinity> stgraber: Want to just delete that upstart source from the PPA entirely, so no one's tempted to retry it again?
[19:34] <stgraber> infinity: done
[19:34] <infinity> stgraber: Thanks.
[22:08] <stgraber> xnox, infinity: found the problem, sent a merge proposal


[07:41] <walrider_> pavlushka, bhai
[07:41] <walrider_> পাইথন করতেসেন ?
[07:41] <walrider_> ব্রু
[07:41] <walrider_> bru
[07:42] <pavlushka> walrider_: হা হা, এখনো শুরু করা হয়নি :পি
[07:42] <walrider_> pavlushka, আমি জোগ বিয়গ শিখতেসি
[07:42] <walrider_> বিয়োগ
[07:43] <walrider_> na na oigula shehs akhon if statement ar nested loop dekhi
[07:43] <walrider_> akta banaisi script
[07:43] <walrider_> dekheb ? :D
[07:43] <walrider_> dekhben ? :D
[07:43] <pavlushka> cool
[07:43] <u-la-la> pavlushka: coolest
[07:43] <Kilos-> hi walrider_ pavlushka
[07:43] <walrider_> Kilos-, nice to see u how are u ?
[07:43] <pavlushka> Hello Kilos- :)
[07:44] <Kilos-> im ok ty going for nuclear medicine heart scan tomorrow so well see what they can see hehe
[07:46] <walrider_> i wish u good luck and nothing to worry about
[07:46] <Kilos-> ty very much
[07:49] <walrider_> pavlushka, https://paste.ubuntu.com/24311942/
[07:49] <u-la-la> [ Ubuntu Pastebin ] - https://paste.ubuntu.com
[07:49] <walrider_> have a look
[07:49] <walrider_> addition  using operators and also if statement
[07:49] <walrider_> and also also else statement
[07:49] <pavlushka> Kilos-: you have my heart :p
[07:50] <walrider_> pavlushka,  dekhen bru
[07:50] <pavlushka> walrider_: on it :)
[07:51] <walrider_> i have installed the most handy IDE for python
[07:51] <walrider_> the pycharm
[07:52] <walrider_> i have checked the netbeans using pydev also other ides butwas  not amused like this pycharm
[07:52] <walrider_> <3
[07:52] <walrider_> u-la-la,
[07:52] <walrider_> u-la-la, ayy
[07:53] <pavlushka> walrider_: rofl, jodi c er man exactly 10 hoy.
[07:53] <walrider_> :D
[07:53] <u-la-la> walrider_: :D
[07:53] <walrider_> :D
[07:53] <u-la-la> walrider_: :D
[07:53] <pavlushka> what a comment!
[07:53] <walrider_> :D
[07:53] <pavlushka> liked it, this is called native coding
[07:54] <walrider_> ha :D
[07:54] <pavlushka> :D
[07:54] <u-la-la> pavlushka: :D
[07:55] <walrider_> i have started the python and my destiny is till the end of it
[07:56] <walrider_> no time to give a bananannanan about what c#  programmer think .net asp student
[07:56] <walrider_> they say they are trandie
[07:56] <walrider_> i say see u in trande after 5 years ;)
[07:56] <pavlushka> hell yeah :)
[07:57] <walrider_> trend *
[07:57] <walrider_> my englich is very bad as u can see i cant spike properly
[07:57] <walrider_> :|
[07:57] <pavlushka> lmao
[07:57] <walrider_> ok back to dtydt
[07:57] <walrider_> study *
[07:57] <pavlushka> walrider_: watch it
[07:58] <pavlushka> dtydt
[07:58] <pavlushka> s/dtydt/study
[07:58] <u-la-la> pavlushka meant to say: study
[07:59] <pavlushka> walrider_: I like it.
[08:00] <walrider_> pavlushka, :D
[08:01] <pavlushka> s/like/dont like
[08:01] <u-la-la> pavlushka meant to say: walrider_: I dont like it.
[08:01] <walrider_> pavlushka, ok
[08:01] <pavlushka> walrider_: kidding
[08:01] <walrider_> s/ok/ok
[08:01] <pavlushka> showing you what the bot can doo
[08:01] <walrider_> s/ok/also
[08:01] <u-la-la> walrider_ meant to say: pavlushka, also
[08:02] <walrider_> s/ok/ok/also
[08:02] <pavlushka> walrider_: it ca act like a sed command
[08:02] <walrider_> sed commant
[08:02] <walrider_> comant
[08:02] <walrider_> :o
[08:02] <walrider_> bhai
[08:02] <walrider_> pora shuru koren
[08:02] <walrider_> choto choto file banabo apne ami mila
[08:02] <walrider_> git e up korbo
[08:03] <walrider_> amar terget wget er moto akta script banabo terminal e download korbe
[08:03] <pavlushka> would love to, sure :)
[08:03] <walrider_> then i will go for internet downlaod manager
[08:03] <walrider_> if u knwo what i mean :~
[08:04] <pavlushka> walrider_: you can take the wget and make it like IDM
[08:04] <walrider_> now i dont know how to do that
[08:04] <pavlushka> its free :)
[08:04] <walrider_> i have to learn
[08:04] <pavlushka> walrider_: sure, we'll see
[08:04] <walrider_> then i will make a completly deferent system
[08:05] <walrider_> which is not smiler that published on web
[08:05] <pavlushka> walrider_: have you heard about hurd kernel, its not monolithic.
[08:05] <walrider_> with UI
[08:06] <walrider_> ga
[08:06] <walrider_> ha *
[08:06] <pavlushka> yes it has its UI
[08:06] <walrider_> hmm
[08:06] <walrider_> code run korsi
[08:06] <walrider_> have a look: http://prntscr.com/es7yto
[08:06] <u-la-la> [ Screenshot by Lightshot ] - http://prntscr.com
[08:07] <walrider_> iDe ta amar kase handy lagse
[08:08] <pavlushka> wow
[08:08] <walrider_> keyword/tag/extension suggestion correction ase so less chance to spelling mistake
[08:09] <walrider_> i have tried the netbeans ide after installing the python / jython extension but thats was not pleasant
[08:09] <walrider_> plug ins
[08:10] <walrider_> pycharm runs on java env so jdk is required to run this charm :D
[08:11] <walrider_> also available for Ubuntu
[08:11] <walrider_> and MAC / unix
[08:11] <pavlushka> walrider_: I also have pycharm :p
[08:11] <walrider_> GG WP
[08:12] <walrider_> charm goto kal install disi
[08:12] <walrider_> er age IDLE use korsilam
[08:12] <walrider_> from pychon.org
[08:12] <walrider_> oitay mistake hoia jaito
[08:12] <walrider_> spelling misteka
[08:12] <walrider_> mistake*
[08:12] <walrider_> :|
[08:13] <walrider_> etay amon howar possibility kom ase
[08:13] <walrider_> fun time coding bru
[08:24] <walrider_> luch kore ashe brb


[12:37] <Riddell> Kamion: kde ubiquity is good to merge if you're awake
[01:05] <ryanpg> hi all... I've searched launchpad and found nothing related to an issue I'm seeing: no EXA support with dapper FOSS ati driver and xorg
[01:05] <ryanpg> radeon m9 chipset
[01:05] <ryanpg> should I file a bug or check upstream?
[01:07] <Burgwork> ryanpg, file a bug at the vary least
[01:07] <Burgwork> s/vary/very
[01:07] <ryanpg> Burgwork, in launchpad I'm guessing?
[01:09] <Burgwork> ryanpg, yep
[01:09] <ryanpg> k
[01:09] <ryanpg> ty
[01:15] <mdke> jdub: around?
[01:56] <jono_> hey
[02:07] <LinuxJones> hi jono
[02:35] <jdong> Riddell: will you be upgrading your Ubiquity branch to knits soon?
[02:42] <Riddell> jdong: knits?
[02:44] <jdong> Riddell: new bzr 0.8's repository format. faster, fewer total files, takes less space, and makes network fetching a bearable process again :)
[03:07] <Riddell> jdong: are other ubiquity repositories using that?
[03:08] <jdong> Riddell: not sure; it's a viscious cycle until everyone switches though :)
[03:08] <jdong> maybe try to work together with other ubiquity developers to make the switch?
[03:08] <jdong> bzr.dev switched over to knits quite literally days after it was marked stable
[03:08] <zul> heylo
[03:09] <jdong> knits are such a great improvement that there's little reason to use weaves anymore... bzr upgrade magically converts weave repositories to knits
[03:15] <bddebian> Heya peoples
[03:31] <jdub> hrm, attempting to find some info about mvo's dist-upgrader - can't see anything obvious on ubuntu-devel
[03:31] <jdub> can't see packages on his people space
[03:36] <crimsun> I think what you want is: gksudo "update-manager -d"
[03:36] <jdub> oh
[03:36] <crimsun> at least according to http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/dist-upgrader/screenshots/dist-upgrader-01.png
[03:36] <jdub> it's integrated and shit :)
[03:36] <crimsun> (pulled from a factoid in #ubuntu)
[03:37] <jdub> thanks :-)
[03:37] <crimsun> np
[03:37] <crimsun> woo
[03:49] <ispiked> should I be in here or somewhere else to ask about launchpad?
[03:49] <ispiked> or rather, Malone.
[03:49] <bddebian> Depends on the issue but probably #launchpad
[03:49] <ispiked> anywho, I want to find a bug with "screen" in its summary. how do I do this. "search" seems to jsut search entire bugs.
[03:50] <ispiked> bugzilla has a far superior search feature, I must say.
[03:52] <ispiked> maybe I'll just file it and hope someone dupes it to a currently open bug. :)
[04:06] <bddebian> ispiked: I find 1087 bugs with "screen" in them.  What are you looking for?
[04:06] <ispiked> bddebian: I resolved it.
[04:06] <bddebian> Oh OK, great
[04:07] <ispiked> yep.
[04:09] <bddebian> Kamion: Any chance you are here?
[05:12] <truz24> Are there an oss programs to calculate PI?
[05:12] <truz24> out to N digits...
[05:18] <neuralis> truz24: please ask on #ubuntu; this is the wrong channel.
[05:19] <truz24> I apologize.
[05:40] <jsgotangco> good morning
[05:42] <bddebian> Heya jsgotangco
[05:44] <jsgotangco> hey bddebian good weekend to you!
[05:45] <bddebian> jsgotangco: You too, thanks
[05:45] <YokoZar> Hey, I seem to not have a .diff.gz for my package, is there a way to generate one?
[05:45] <bddebian> YokoZar: Is it a new package?
[05:45] <YokoZar> Not really, but I updated it in a funny way
[05:46] <YokoZar> Using dch -v
[05:48] <YokoZar> I suppose I could just try running uupdate, letting it error out at the diff part, and then copying the /debian directory, right?
[05:53] <YokoZar> Actually, I suppose I could just try and generate a new diff
[05:53] <YokoZar> Using diff...
[05:53] <bddebian> Damn, I need doko
[05:54] <bddebian> YokoZar: What exactly are you trying to do?
[05:54] <YokoZar> bddebian: I'm trying to uupdate a package with a new upstream release, but uupdate can't find the diff for the package since somehow I don't have one
[05:55] <YokoZar> I built the package with -sa before
[05:55] <YokoZar> So I think there would be no content in the diff anyway
[05:55] <bddebian> Where did you get the package from?
[05:55] <YokoZar> These are the Wine packages I make
[06:30] <mxpxpod> desrt: ping
[06:55] <lifeless> Kamion: art thou here ?
[07:50] <jdub> Kamion: unlikely ping?
[07:50] <jdub> how big is our base install now? (as in debian base packages, not ubuntu-* meta foo)
[07:55] <infinity> I don't have figures for base, but I can clean up my build chroots and give figures for those.
[07:56] <lifeless> right, one archive sucker written
[07:56] <lifeless> infinity: wheres the best place to get a list of all the distribution/component/arch triples we've shipped ?
[07:57] <infinity> Divine it from the archive layout, or trust the LP database to be accurate.
[08:16] <lifeless> huh, interesting bit of trivial - across all arches, all of breezy and dapper excluding proposed, there are 91K unique binaries
[08:16] <infinity> jdub: :
[08:16] <infinity> 136M    woody
[08:16] <infinity> 209M    warty
[08:16] <infinity> 217M    sarge
[08:16] <infinity> 218M    hoary
[08:17] <infinity> 259M    etch
[08:17] <infinity> 269M    sid
[08:17] <infinity> 270M    breezy
[08:17] <infinity> 295M    dapper
[08:17] <infinity> jdub: Not sure how accurate that is (I may have some stray cruft in those chroots I didn't find when cleaning), but it's likely close.
[08:17] <LaserJock> can anybody confirm that dselect is used in the installer?
[08:17] <infinity> jdub: Those are buildd chroots, so that's just Essential+Build-Essential
[08:18] <jdub> infinity: thanks
[08:19] <infinity> For the record, though I've since deleted it, potato was under 100MB...
[08:19] <infinity> I think it's time for us to start slimming again.
[08:20] <Mithrandir> LaserJock: it's not.
[08:20] <LaserJock> Mithrandir: not in the text installer?
[08:20] <Mithrandir> LaserJock: no, it gives you aptitude, not dselect.
[08:21] <jsgotangco> dselect is not used at all right?
[08:22] <infinity> I use dselect all the tim!
[08:22] <infinity> s/tim/time/
[08:22] <infinity> But no, the installer doesn't use it anymore.
[08:22] <infinity> Hasn't for a long time.
[08:22] <jsgotangco> even upstream right?
[08:23] <infinity> sarge's installer may still give the option to pop you into one or the other, I don't recall.
[08:23] <Mithrandir> upstream as in Debian?  They do the same as us there, iirc.
[08:23] <infinity> Etch should be all aptitude, all the time.
[08:23] <Mithrandir> yeah, sarge gives you the option, but I think it went away with base-config.
[08:23] <jsgotangco> thanks, im actually the one who asked LaserJock first because im doing a small article
[08:24] <infinity> OTOH, dselect still rocks out with its (censored) out, in certain situations.
[08:24] <infinity> So, I'm still madly in love with it for unsnaring ugly upgrade scenarios.
[08:24] <jsgotangco> i needed to make sure because in the back of my mind i know its aptitude at work
[08:24] <jsgotangco> seems to be quite flexible
[08:37] <lifeless> hmm, language packages seem somewhat weird
[08:37] <lifeless> E:Cannot find chunk data.tar.gz
[08:38] <lifeless> lamont: btw, *how* many getTranslations process do you expect on rookery ?
[08:44] <_ion> /summon keybuk
[09:23] <_ion> I built uqm 0.5 and vim 7 from debian for dapper, in case anyone's interested. http://johan.kiviniemi.name/ubuntu/
[09:24] <crimsun> using Debian experimental's source packages?
[09:24] <_ion> For vim, yes.
[09:24] <crimsun> cool
[10:36] <_ion> seveas: I updated to falcon 0.11. Seems like it works when i have the following directory structure: pool/dapper/falcon.ini, pool/vim/, pool/dapper/vim  ../vim, but it doesn't work if there's no pool/vim/ and pool/dapper/vim/ is a directory, not a symlink. Is that intentional?
[10:36] <Seveas> no
[10:36] <Seveas> what is the problem/error?
[10:37] <Seveas> btw: you need 0.11.1
[10:37] <Seveas> there was a bug in 0.11 that could have caused this
[10:39] <_ion> % bzr pull
[10:39] <_ion> Using saved location: http://www.kaarsemaker.net/files/Software/falcon/
[10:39] <_ion> 0 revision(s) pulled.
[10:40] <Seveas> ok, then you have the latest
[10:40] <_ion> Well, it says 0.11, not 0.11.1
[10:42] <Seveas> hmm, forgot to bump the version number in conf.py.in
[10:42] <Seveas> but that's no big deal
[10:42] <Seveas> what is the problem you face? 'does not work' is not really descriptive
[10:45] <_ion> http://johan.kiviniemi.name/tmp/falcon-update-dirs.log
[10:45] <_ion> http://johan.kiviniemi.name/tmp/falcon-update-symlinks.log
[10:46] <Seveas> interesting
[10:46] <Seveas> could you try with falcon --verbose
[10:47] <Seveas> and could you give me the ls -l of pool/dapper/
[10:49] <_ion>     sections = [ dir for dir in os.listdir(os.path.join(falcon.conf.basedir,'pool', r))
[10:49] <_ion>                  if os.path.isdir(os.path.join(falcon.conf.basedir,'pool',dir)) ]
[10:49] <_ion> Shouldn't that be os.listdir(os.path.join(falcon.conf.basedir,'pool', dir, r)?
[10:50] <Seveas> no
[10:50] <Seveas> r == release
[10:50] <_ion> Whoops.
[10:50] <Seveas> (fwiw: it works fine for me with both symlinks and dirs
[10:50] <Seveas> )
[10:51] <_ion> What i was supposed to say: shouldn't that be os.path.isdir(os.path.join(falcon.conf.basedir,'pool',r,dir))?
[10:52] <Seveas> hmmm
[10:52] <Seveas> that sounds correct
[10:52] <Seveas> but then again: why does it work for me
[10:52] <Seveas> ah, because I am using links and dirs with the same name
[10:56] <Seveas> fix pushed to bzr
[10:56] <pygi> Seveas, heh :)
[10:56] <Seveas> thanks!
[10:56] <_ion> :-)
[10:59] <_ion> It works now.
[11:13] <_ion> seveas: Hm. It seems like the update action doesn't recreate the HTML files anymore.
[11:14] <_ion> 'falcon update html' does what just 'falcon update' used to do.
[11:42] <_ion> http://johan.kiviniemi.name/ubuntu/dists/dapper/w32codecs/
[11:46] <Coyctecm> _ion from finland? :)
[11:47] <_ion> coyctecm: Yep.
[11:49] <Coyctecm> _ion: nice :) me too :)
[12:29] <Kamion> lifeless: language packs use data.tar.bz2
[12:29] <lifeless> Kamion: thanks :). Bug #44493
[12:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44493 in python-apt "apt_inst.debExtract is unhelpful for packages with data.tar.bz2" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/44493
[12:29] <Kamion> Riddell: thanks, will merge. I'll move to knits as soon as I've upgraded my development box to a version of bzr capable of using them :) oh, and probably need to make sure rookery is updated too
[12:30] <Kamion> jdong: ^--
[12:30] <ajmitch> morning Kamion
[12:30] <Kamion> morning
[12:30] <lifeless> rookery is at 0.7pre
[12:30] <lifeless> definately needs some luvin
[12:31] <Kamion> my push script relies on ssh rookery bzr revert, which I'm assuming requires a knit-capable bzr
[12:31] <Kamion> I'll file an RT request to upgrade that
[12:31] <lifeless> you can install bzr in your home dir in the interim
[12:31] <Kamion> faff
[12:32] <lifeless> faff ?
[12:33] <Kamion> fiddly effort with little gain
[12:33] <lifeless> righto
[12:33] <Kamion> I've filed the RT request, by the time I care I expect it'll be done
[01:07] <_ion> seveas: From the changelog i noticed that it's intentional that update doesn't create the HTML files. That's fine, but falcon --help shouldn't lie. :-)
[01:31] <roico> why was filight 7, which is "alpha", released after beta2?
[01:36] <Kamion> roico: because the effort of releasing a beta (with extra QA) is considerable, but we wanted to get another test release out there
[01:36] <Kamion> with slightly less effort involved on the part of the release and core dev teams
[01:36] <Kamion> there'll be a flight 8 too
[01:36] <Kamion> we've done something similar with every previous Ubuntu release; it's just that we used to call it "preview" rather than "beta"
[01:37] <roico> ummm ok... =\
[01:38] <roico> will there be beta 3?
[01:38] <Kamion> probably not
[01:38] <Kamion> flight 8, release candidate, release
[01:38] <Kamion> I expect
[01:39] <Kamion> woo, task overrides in the archive fixed
[01:39] <lifeless> :)
[01:40] <Kamion> and xubuntu tasks are there now too
[02:19] <Kamion> Riddell,Mithrandir: OK, I hope you guys are using bzr 0.8, since I'm upgrading ubiquity to knits now :-)
[02:20] <Mithrandir> Kamion: I'm running dapper on all boxes I use for development, so yes.
[02:20] <Kamion> good
[02:27] <Riddell> Kamion: anything special I need to do to convert?
[02:32] <Kamion> Riddell: 'bzr upgrade', I believe
[02:32] <Kamion> <cjwatson@cairhien ~/src/ubuntu/ubiquity/ubiquity>$ du -s .bzr.backup
[02:32] <Kamion> 34744   .bzr.backup
[02:32] <Kamion> <cjwatson@cairhien ~/src/ubuntu/ubiquity/ubiquity>$ du -s .bzr
[02:32] <Kamion> 24736   .bzr
[02:32] <Kamion> not bad
[02:53] <mdke> jdub: if you pick this up, can you change the details for my blog on planet? thx
[03:04] <crazy_penguin> sorry dor intruding. i want to say only this. Thank you guys for this excellent distro and for your hard work. :) Thank You!
[03:04] <crazy_penguin> dor=for
[03:05] <ompaul_isfair> wats dor=for?
[03:06] <crazy_penguin> i was misstyping
[03:06] <crazy_penguin> sorry
[03:06] <ompaul_isnotfair> ah ok
[03:06] <crazy_penguin>  it was for this: "sorry dor intruding. i want to say only this. Thank you guys for this excellent distro and for your hard work. :) Thank You!"
[03:06] <ompaul_isnotfair> everybody is sleeping?
[03:07] <ompaul_isnotfair> yeah the best distro around
[03:08] <ompaul_isnotfair> i was wondering who can i give you people a helping hand?
[03:08] <ompaul_isnotfair> i am into website design and administration
[03:12] <jsgotangco> ompaul_isnotfair: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[03:12] <ompaul_isnotfair> thanks jsgotangco
[03:14] <ompaul_isnotfair> hi pygi
[03:14] <pygi> hi ompaul_isnotfair
[03:14] <pygi> whats up_
[03:14] <pygi> ?
[03:14] <ompaul_isnotfair> nothing am getting bored
[03:15] <pygi> ompaul_isnotfair, nice :)
[03:15] <ompaul_isnotfair> not much chatting around here
[03:15] <ompaul_isnotfair> whats up on your side?
[03:15] <pygi> currently some C#/Mono hacking
[03:16] <pygi> (Diva thingy)
[03:16] <ompaul_isnotfair> u must be a real geek
[03:16] <pygi> lol
[03:16] <ompaul_isnotfair> are u into ruby?
[03:16] <ompaul_isnotfair> am trying to learn that
[03:16] <pygi> no, I never tried it, and never will
[03:16] <ompaul_isnotfair> why?
[03:16] <pygi> just because :)
[03:17] <pygi> No need to learn 9999999 amount of languages
[03:17] <ompaul_isnotfair> yeah i guess so
[03:17] <ompaul_isnotfair> are u into python?
[03:17] <_ion> Ruby rules.
[03:17] <pygi> indeed, but you should rather get someone else to learn you python right now :P
[03:18] <pygi> _ion, yea, yea, whatever :P
[03:18] <_ion> I used to think python rules, but then i learned ruby and saw how much python really sucks. :-)
[03:18] <ompaul_isnotfair> hehe flamewars! i luv em
[03:19] <pygi> no flamewar needed
[03:19] <pygi> heh]
[03:19] <ompaul_isnotfair> wat about lisp?
[03:19] <pygi> this is offtopic for this channel
[03:19] <jsgotangco> please chekc topic
[03:19] <ompaul_isnotfair> the geeks love it.. dunno why
[03:19] <ompaul_isnotfair> ok
[03:19] <pygi> jsgotangco, nice, thanks :)
[03:20] <ompaul_isnotfair> where are u from pygi?
[03:20] <pygi> that is offtopic
[03:20] <pygi> for this channel
[03:20] <ompaul_isnotfair> sorry
[03:20] <ompaul_isnotfair> who decides when to release drapper? shuttleworth?
[03:21] <pygi> hurg? It will be released next month, 1 day
[03:21] <pygi> that is for #ubuntu
[03:21] <ompaul_isnotfair> yeah but am banned there
[03:21] <pygi> no wonder :P
[03:21] <ompaul_isnotfair> even #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:21] <ompaul_isnotfair> u think am trolling right now?
[03:22] <thoreauputic> ompaul_isnotfair: you stole a nick - that's not on anywhere
[03:22] <mdke> ompaul_isnotfair: not trolling, but the developers tend to like this channel to be kept clean, because they read the log. It's best to chat in another channel
[03:23] <ompaul_isnotfair> i know but since no one was chatting i thought i was not disturbing sorry
[03:23] <mdke> ompaul_isnotfair: no problem at all, don't worry
[03:23] <ompaul_isnotfair> mdke : any suggestions ?
[03:24] <mdke> ompaul_isnotfair: what about?
[03:24] <ompaul_isnotfair> mdke : another channel to chat
[03:24] <mdke> ompaul_isnotfair: #ubuntu or #ubuntu-offtopic are the ubuntu related channels which you should try. If you're banned, try and talk to an operator to resolve it
[03:25] <ompaul_isnotfair> mdke : its no use .. he won't listen.. dats why i was protesting.. anyway i'll find out
[03:26] <ompaul_isnotfair> mdke : appologises for disturbing u people
[03:26] <mdke> ompaul_isnotfair: ok, np
[03:26] <ompaul_isnotfair> u are doing a great job
[03:27] <sladen> ompaul_isnotfair: 2006-06-01
[03:27] <ompaul_isnotfair> :) can't wait
[04:00] <bddebian> Morning
[04:00] <pygi> mornin to you bddebian
[04:00] <bddebian> Hello pygi
[04:26] <pygi> wb JaneW
[04:45] <lifeless> mvo: around ?
[04:59] <mdz> morning folks
[05:16] <mvo> lifeless: sort of, what can I do?
[05:24] <ogra> mdz, oh, so you found network connectivity ? or did you stay at home ?
[05:33] <doko> network connectivity is slow, but seems to work; at least in the morning if nobody is awake
[05:36] <ogra> isnt it 9am there ?
[05:36] <Evaso2> please take care of this bug  6017 on launchpad seem solved upstream but i dosen't know if the maintainer is still active in ubuntu
[05:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 6017 in foo2zjs "Update to latest package to make HP LaserJet 1020 work" [Normal,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6017
[05:36] <Evaso2> this issue doesn't let to print with hp 1020 on ubuntu breezy and dapper
[05:38] <doko> infinity: is this the second OOo build on i386?
[05:39] <bddebian> doko: Did you see Bug #35196?
[05:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 35196 in eclipse "Rebuild against firefox" [Normal,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/35196
[05:41] <doko> bddebian: stay away, it doesn't work. you can easily test this by building with firefox and then trying to use the help
[05:41] <bddebian> doko: OK, thanks.  Sorry to subscribe you to that
[05:42] <doko> hopefully will be fixed in edgy with xulrunner
[05:43] <bddebian> OK, should I reject that one then?
[05:45] <doko> no, why? it's at least a wishlist request
[06:47] <bddebian> doko: OK
[06:51] <sladen> ogra: do you not sure dpatch for gnome-screensaver?
[06:51] <ogra> its cdbs
[06:54] <infinity> doko: Yes, it failed with... Wait for it... A SIGABRT... Same as the OOo-l10n builds previously did.
[06:55] <sladen> ogra: where are the broken out diffs?
[06:56] <sladen> ogra: a lot of the hacks from the straight Debian version aren't being built, but I can't find any reference to what was changed
[06:56] <ogra> sladen, gnome-screensaver-2.14.1/debian/patches/
[06:56] <ogra> err, hacks are not gnome-screensaver
[06:56] <sladen> ogra: g-screensaver is just using the hacks from /usr/lib/xscreensaver ?
[06:56] <ogra> they are xscreensaver and there is no patch system in it anymore
[06:57] <sladen> ogra: which are built from the 'xscreensaver' package;  debian version was 4.23-4, but that's no longer in the debian archive to diff against
[06:57] <ogra> i once added dpatch and debian complained very loudly that we shouldnt just change theor packages
[06:57] <ogra> so it switched it back with the beginning of dapper
[06:57] <sladen> ogra: $developer_developer needs smacking over the head with a sledgehammer
[06:58] <ogra> heh
[06:58] <sladen> $debian_developer
[06:58] <doko> infinity: nice :-/
[06:58] <ogra> but to be honest, there are not much changes to the hacks themselves
[06:58] <sladen> aside from that, I think it would be best to use some sort of dpatch system;  maintain and rebasing is hell otherwise
[06:59] <infinity> doko: If this fails again, I'll do a manual build for you and keep the broken bits.
[06:59] <ogra> most changes i did this release are made to control, rules and the default settings
[06:59] <ogra> yep, agreed
[06:59] <infinity> doko: Since it failed much earlier than OOo-l10n, it might be a bit less painful to reproduce (failed in ~6 hours)
[06:59] <sladen> ogra: probably being at the moment I can't make a diff of what has changed between the Debian and current Ubuntu version before it's not possible to get hold of the Ubuntu version it was based off
[06:59] <sladen> s/probably/problem/
[06:59] <ogra> especially since our package differs completely from debians now
[07:00] <sladen> ogra: do you have any of  4.23-4 left on your hard-drive?
[07:00] <infinity> sladen: Grab the old Debian version from snapshot.debian.net to diff against.
[07:00] <infinity> sladen: Much easier than guessing.
[07:01] <ogra> sladen, will look
[07:02] <ogra> might be its in my other office on the desktop machine i havent here
[07:02] <ogra> i usually keep the sourcepackages around anywhere
[07:03] <infinity> http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2006/01/13/debian/pool/main/x/xscreensaver/
[07:04] <sladen> infinity: just found it.  thanks for the reminder/pointer
[07:09] <sladen> ogra: okay found it;  it's as simple as most of them being moved to 'xscreensaver-data-gl'
[07:09] <ogra> nope
[07:09] <ogra> there are also -data-extras and data-gl-extras
[07:10] <ogra> there are nore moved into the -extras packages (universe) the non-extra ones contein the set we ship since warty
[07:10] <ogra> s/nore/more/
[07:11] <ogra> also have a look at the gnome-screensaver-helper dir in xss's debian dir, that contains the files used by g-s-s
[08:07] <mxpxpod> desrt: ping
[08:08] <desrt> mxpxpod; pong
[08:09] <mxpxpod> desrt: you have ae working with nm?
[08:09] <desrt> mxpxpod; no.
[08:09] <desrt> mxpxpod; i found a bug in nm that broke it on powerpc but i believe there are still others
[08:09] <mxpxpod> hrmm
[08:09] <mxpxpod> ok
[08:09] <desrt> mxpxpod; so i gave up and switched to using wpa-supplicant manually
[08:09] <mxpxpod> aha
[08:09] <mxpxpod> and that works?
[08:09] <desrt> ya
[08:09] <mxpxpod> sweet
[08:09] <desrt> works very nicely
[08:10] <Chipzz> hrrrm sorry for the off-topic-ness, but does anyone know of a program that does the same as "bigecho" onder dos, or a font/option to figlet to have it output fixed-width charachter?
[08:11] <mxpxpod> desrt: how do you invoke wpa_supplicant?
[08:11] <desrt> mxpxpod; you have to write a config file for it...
[08:11] <desrt> lemme post my stuff
[08:11] <mxpxpod> suckage
[08:11] <mxpxpod> ok, thanks
[08:11] <Treenaks> desrt: you can do that through /etc/network/interfaces though
[08:11] <Treenaks> desrt: (afaik?0
[08:12] <ogra> erm, AE works here out of the box with NM
[08:12] <ogra> (iBook G4)
[08:13] <desrt> http://desrt.mcmaster.ca/random/wpa/
[08:14] <desrt> mxpxpod; that's the conf file and the script i use (does wpa + dhclient)
[08:14] <mxpxpod> thanks
[08:15] <mxpxpod> ogra: how'd you get that working?
[08:16] <ogra> mxpxpod, installing my firmware and select my network
[08:16] <ogra> nothing more
[08:16] <mxpxpod> strange...
[08:16] <ogra> but i'm not using wpa at all
[08:17] <mxpxpod> ogra: yeah, mine doesn't even work without wpa or wep
[08:17] <mxpxpod> desrt: does that config work with wep?
[08:17] <ogra> (in fact i dont know *anybody* presonally using wpy=)
[08:17] <ogra> *wpa
[08:17] <desrt> mxpxpod; well
[08:18] <desrt> mxpxpod; assuming you put in actual ssid's and passkeys, yes :)
[08:18] <mxpxpod> desrt: :)
[08:18] <desrt> mxpxpod; those two networks are my home and work networks
[08:18] <desrt> mxpxpod; it autodetects and connects to whichever one
[08:18] <mxpxpod> desrt: and how about non-encrypted networks?
[08:18] <desrt> mxpxpod; uhm... i don't know how to connect to non-wpa networks :)
[08:18] <mxpxpod> heh
[08:18] <desrt> mxpxpod; if you find out, plz let me know :)
[08:18] <mxpxpod> will do
[08:32] <mxpxpod> hmm, so that *sort of* worked
[08:32] <mxpxpod> ae with nm for unencrypted
[08:34] <ogra> it sometimes needs a little push (second attempt) to get the dhcp negotiation done in time
[08:35] <kapputu> Hi guys
[08:35] <kapputu> anyone looking for a deck hand?
[08:35] <mxpxpod> ogra: the signal kept coming and going, and I know for a fact that this is a strong signal
[08:35] <kapputu> mxpxpod: aliens?
[08:35] <kapputu> :-)
[08:35] <ogra> oh, right
[08:36] <mxpxpod> kapputu: hmm...
[08:36] <mxpxpod> kapputu: you may be on to something
[08:36] <ogra> mxpxpod, i forgot to mention the signal meter of the NM applet doesnt work at all for me here
[08:36] <kapputu> mxpxpod: or I'm on something
[08:36] <ogra> but thats a known missing feature in the softmac implementation afaik
[08:38] <mxpxpod> ogra: nice
[08:50] <jdong_> is there any VCS branch for linux-restricted-modules?
[08:51] <_ion> The concept of Frank Schoep's "minimalistic" usplash theme in bug #44339 is really excellent IMO.
[08:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44339 in usplash "Regression in usplash artwork" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/44339
[08:53] <infinity> _ion: Yes, but not happening for dapper.  Not sure how many times this needs to be said.
[08:53] <infinity> _ion: We currently rely on the fact that usplash has text output (we even use it for prompting on the LiveCD), so it's not changing in the next 3 weeks.
[08:53] <infinity> jdong_: No, I don't maintain it in any VCS... What's in the archive is what's current.
[08:54] <infinity> jdong_: What do you need to know?
[08:54] <jdong_> infinity: nothing really; I'm just maintaining a customized kernel extremely similar to the Ubuntu kernel, and I was just getting l-r-m for it
[08:57] <infinity> jdong_: Ahh.  Well, I could import it into git at some point, but there's not much point, since it doesn't change as rapidly or drastically as the kernel itself does.
[08:57] <infinity> jdong_: It's probably trivial to just track uploads and debdiff occasionally when you're stumped. :)
[08:57] <jdong_> infinity: I don't really have a preference either way; I'm currently bzr'ing it just for easier merging for my branches
[08:58] <jdong_> it's fine the way it is
[08:58] <jdong_> infinity: what are the redistribution restrictions on l-r-m?
[09:09] <_ion> infinity: One idea comes to mind: setting priorities to all the log_*_msgs and printing only the ones higher than a certain priority. If log_end_msg is called with a non-zero parameter, the previous log_begin_msg should be printed no matter the priority. For backward compability it could be set using an env var, for example 'LOG_PRIO=normal log_begin_msg "Starting foobar daemon"' would be equivalent to not setting LOG_PRIO at all, and the prompting ...
[09:09] <_ion> ... on the Live-CD could be done using 'LOG_PRIO=important log_action_msg "You have ten seconds to run before your computer self-destructs"'.
[09:17] <infinity> jdong_: You'll have to check debian/copyright.  I don't recall all the horrible licenses off-hand.
[09:18] <desrt> ogra; word.
[09:18] <infinity> _ion: Currently, our init scripts are aiming for LSB compliance.  That would have us forking from standard yet again for no real benefit.
[09:19] <infinity> _ion: Anyhow, using usplash for prompting can and will be changed AFTER RELEASE.  Nothing like this will be changed in dapper.  We have real bugs to fix that don't cater to people's offesne at the aesthetics of a screen they see for 20 seconds every few days when they choose to reboot.
[09:20] <desrt> who is responsible for the new splash screen?
[09:20] <sladen> infinity: I hope the screen does get fixed.  It's the first thing people see of Ubuntu.
[09:20] <desrt> it's pretty
[09:20] <infinity> sladen: It'll likely change again, but not to something without text.
[09:21] <infinity> sladen: (Which is what _ion is advocating)
[09:21] <infinity> sladen: It'll get replaces with something with a correct aspect ratio and colours that don't make my eyes bleed, I suspect.  S'about it.
[09:21] <_ion> Well, was. :-)
[09:21] <infinity> sladen: There's a nice one submitted to the bug report mentioned above.
[09:21] <sladen> infinity: that's what I'm advocating, yes
[09:22] <mdke> it's really fuzzy the image too
[09:22] <mdke> badly defined edges and so forth
[09:22] <mdke> dunno if that can be fixed or not
[09:22] <sladen> infinity: and failing anything else, a revery would fix the situation
[09:22] <sladen> revery
[09:22] <sladen> revert
[09:22] <desrt> even if you completely _do not_ understand what the text means it's still nice to have something to tell an expert about when your computer locks in the middle of boot
[09:22] <Burgundavia> desrt: if you make it simple to show the text, there is no reason to show it
[09:23] <sladen> desrt / Burgundavia: dapper +1
[09:23] <infinity> Burgundavia: I kinda like the "ooh, my computer is doing cool computer stuff" effect, even if I don't understand it.
[09:23] <_ion> desrt: Well, "no unnecessary text on bootup". E.g. error messages (that obviously should be printed) would be more distinguishable if there weren't any redundant lines.
[09:23] <infinity> But I realise I'm in a minority here, and will bow to the "no text by default crowd" for Edgy, I'm sure.
[09:23] <desrt> _ion; lockups don't give error messages
[09:24] <_ion> desrt: If the computer locks up, then you'd boot without splash or switch to a virtual console before the lockup to see what's going on.
[09:24] <desrt> _ion; but with a continuous "i'm doing this, i'm doing that, ..." output you can guess where the lockup is around
[09:24] <sladen> I think the "fail" text could do with being changed to the same colours as success
[09:25] <sladen> or even "ok" on success and "(null)" on fail
[09:25] <desrt> too scary?
[09:25] <desrt> i say, make it blinking bright red and change the text to read "YOUR COMPUTER WILL EXPLODE"
[09:26] <desrt> Couldn't connect to the net to sync with the timeserver... YOUR COMPUTER WILL EXPLODE!
[09:26] <desrt> etc
[09:27] <_ion> :-D
[11:21] <_ion> Hmm. There seems to be a xvidcap source package, but no binary package. https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xvidcap
[11:25] <infinity> _ion: Because it's in dep-wait on a package that doesn't exist? (libavcodec1-dev)
[11:25] <infinity> _ion: An upload to change that build-dep to libavcodec-dev might make it happy.
[11:26] <_ion> I'm just testing whether it builds with libavcodec-dev.
[11:35] <pygi> hi rajasun
[11:35] <pygi> gah, sorry :P
[11:35] <pygi> hi raphink
[11:35] <raphink> hi pygi
[11:35] <pygi> how are you? :)
[11:36] <raphink> I'm good thanks
[11:36] <raphink> you?
[11:37] <pygi> good as well :)
[11:38] <raphink> good :)
[11:39] <_ion> Hm. Building xvidcap dies with a bunch of lines like xvidcap-mngutil.o: In function `mng_write_sig':/home/ion/src/xvidcap/xvidcap-1.1.3/src/mngutil.c:49: undefined reference to `png_write_data'
[11:40] <infinity> Sounds like it wants a -lpng but doesn't have one (if I had to guess)
[11:40] <_ion> infinity: Nope, that's not the problem.
[11:41] <_ion> % grep -c png_write_data /usr/lib/libpng.{a,so}
[11:41] <_ion> /usr/lib/libpng.a:3
[11:41] <_ion> /usr/lib/libpng.so:0
[11:41] <_ion> I'm very tired now, but maybe i'll try to fix that tomorrow.
[11:42] <infinity> png.h:PNG_EXTERN void png_write_data PNGARG((png_structp png_ptr, png_bytep data,
[11:42] <infinity> It's definitely missing a -lpng
[11:42] <_ion> No, it isn't. :-)
[11:44] <infinity> In other news, why do they redefine png_write_data (and others) in mngutil.c?
[11:44] <infinity> Ugly.
[11:44] <_ion> Ugly indeed.
[11:44] <_ion> Also the compilation of every single .c file in xvidcap seems to throw a bunch of warnings. :-)
[11:45] <infinity> Shocker.
[11:45] <infinity> I've looked at exactly one file (mngutil.c), and it made me want to vomit, so I'm stopping.
[11:45] <_ion> :-)


[00:03]  * Haven|Home hugs gparted
[00:03] <Haven|Home> used it, took me 20 minutes to do what i spent all day at work trying to do with the damn text based
[00:13] <Haven|Home> bbiaf, gonna implement my new working home server <3
[00:33] <jrwren> twitter: "alfredodeza: TIL PostgreSQL is coming with master-master replication. When I jumped from the couch to celebrate I was told I'm a gentleman"
[00:36] <jrwren> and... its not true. it was the april fools joke
[01:43] <jrwren> wtf, samba-ad-dc starting.
[01:43] <jrwren> it runs a domain controller by default???
[01:57] <jrwren> tip: remove your lvm snapshots before upgrading ubuntu - they will likely get filled up
[02:05] <Havenstance> :D
[02:05] <Havenstance> it lives
[02:31] <cmaloney> OK< I find it ironic that Microsoft has played better with the community under .NET than any fear-monger could have predicted
[02:31] <rick_h_> huh?
[02:31] <cmaloney> And Java got a pass even though they pretty much did everything that was foretold of .net
[02:31] <cmaloney> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/04/microsoft-open-sources-a-big-chunk-of-net/
[02:32] <rick_h_> so now we can go "yay!" to mono apps?
[02:33] <cmaloney> I'm sure someone will say that it's not 100% free, Microsoft is still evil, and we should burn everything to the ground
[02:34] <cmaloney> So we should use Java, where Oracle has sued Google for Dalvik.
[02:38] <rick_h_> well finally got native ubuntu on the air
[02:38] <rick_h_> just had to stop trying to use the OSX specific install iso
[02:38] <rick_h_> that's obvious
[02:38] <cmaloney> heh
[02:39] <cmaloney> Stop using the thing that we created for just such a purpose
[02:43] <Havenstance> so microsoft is putting the start menu back in winblows 8.1?
[02:44] <cmaloney> ALlegedly.
[02:46] <Havenstance> i must admit im intrigued
[02:46] <Havenstance> to see how its gonna look
[02:47] <cmaloney> Considering the way Microsoft has been hitting these backports, I'm sure it'll be 80% there.
[02:47] <Havenstance> probably like shit knowing microsoft
[02:47] <Havenstance> but at least they are bringing it "back"
[02:47] <Havenstance> maybe I can quit using classic shell now
[10:44] <cmaloney> Good morning
[11:35] <rick_h_> morning
[12:21] <cmaloney> Are we having fun yet?
[12:24] <rick_h_> nope
[12:29] <cmaloney> Please to let me know when we should be having fun
[12:29] <cmaloney> kthx
[12:48] <mrgoodcat> good morning
[12:48] <mrgoodcat> and yes i am having fun
[12:49] <mrgoodcat> just started playing with the _thread and queue modules in py3. Reminds me of go channels except that threads are explicit
[12:58] <jrwren> good morning
[12:58] <jrwren> cmaloney: was that a party down reference?
[12:58] <jrwren> I'm having fun.  i upgraded my primary (only) home server to trusty
[12:58] <cmaloney> jrwren: Um, not sure what that is. :)
[12:59] <jrwren> cmaloney: awesome tv show that ran for only 2 seasons a few years ago.
[13:00] <jrwren> a striving actor best known for a beer commercial where he says "Are we having fun yet?" works a catering company where is often recognized.
[13:02] <cmaloney> I've been saying "are we having fun yet" for a while now
[13:02] <cmaloney> I should sue.
[13:03] <jrwren> indeed you have.
[13:03] <cmaloney> note: not really.
[13:03] <jrwren> i don't know why today is the first time I thought to ask you
[13:06] <cmaloney> Well, since I had an anti-climactic response I'm sure it won't be the last time you ask. :)
[13:06] <cmaloney> Sorry to disappoint. :)
[13:11] <jrwren> ha!
[13:12] <jrwren> one of the things I love about ubuntu is I can do-release-upgrade and allow it to take days and things just keep running.
[13:12] <jrwren> dpkg-reconfigure ran overnight and was stuck at a prompt.
[13:12] <jrwren> no big deal. this irssi keeps going. my samba and dhcp and ssh all were still running.
[13:12] <jrwren> I know of no other OS which does this :(
[13:13] <cmaloney> related: I really hate when I do an upgrade like that and it gets stuck at 60% or whatever waiting on me to tell it what to do
[13:15] <jrwren> I don't mind, becuase everything is still working.
[13:43] <rick_h_> :P
[13:43] <cmaloney> every time
[13:43] <cmaloney> Enough that I get a little neurotic around upgrade time
[14:35] <mrgoodcat> would be cool to have a cli switch similar to -y in apt-get
[14:35] <mrgoodcat> accept all windows
[14:35] <mrgoodcat> for power users
[14:45] <jrwren> anyone ever have trouble removing full lvm snapshots?  lvremove says the volume is in use, but it is not.
[14:47] <brousch> Wow. Just ran into the most freetarded person ever in #kivy
[14:47] <brousch> He refuses to fill out a Google form and use github
[14:48] <jrwren> so?
[14:48] <jrwren> google is evil
[14:48] <jrwren> and so is github.
[14:49] <brousch> EVERYTHING IS EVIL
[14:49] <jrwren> everything sucks when you have no team.
[14:51] <brousch> everything is evil, when we're freetarded newbies
[14:54] <jrwren> why should a freetard fill a google form and use github?
[14:57] <brousch> To enter the kivy app contest
[14:59] <mrgoodcat> .test
[14:59] <mrgoodcat> oops wrong window :/
[15:02] <greg-g> brousch: honestly, could you please not use that word
[15:06] <brousch> But it gets results!
[15:07] <greg-g> but it's a horrible word for many reasons
[15:07] <greg-g> lots of horrible words "get results" but are still not useful to say
[15:09] <brousch> Suggest an alternative
[15:09] <greg-g> a freesoftware advocate
[15:09] <greg-g> just like I would not appreciate you saying "retarded" in here
[15:09] <greg-g> in reference to a mentally handicaped person
[15:10] <greg-g> but whatever, use dispicable slang terms that are only useful in inciting people and not having a dicussion all you want
[15:10] <greg-g> just not in here
[15:14] <brousch> I appologize
[15:14] <greg-g> thank you, sorry for snapping
[15:17] <jrwren> wow, so this fool wanted to enter the app contest, but not do what is required to do so.
[15:17] <jrwren> that is foolish
[15:18] <brousch> I could understand if we required a Google account, but it's just a form. And how do you contribute to free software these days without a github account?
[15:29]  * greg-g does :)
[15:30] <greg-g> MediaWiki + git-annex aren't on github (well, mirrored, but we don't *use* github)
[15:34] <jrwren> you don't have a github account?
[15:35] <greg-g> I have one, but don't use it
[15:35] <greg-g> haven't for a while, that is
[15:37] <brousch> Is zealot offensive? open source zealot?
[15:39] <jrwren> no
[15:39] <jrwren> its a starcraft character :p
[15:39] <brousch> I need a term that's more hard-core than advocate
[15:40] <jrwren> absolutist
[15:40] <jrwren> orthodox
[15:40] <jrwren> creationist
[15:41] <jrwren> scientologist
[15:41] <greg-g> heh
[15:41] <brousch> Advocating is one thing, but when you make your life more difficult by refusing compromise, it needs a new term
[15:41] <greg-g> brousch: what would you call MLK?
[15:41] <brousch> See, advocate seems too weak there
[15:42]  * greg-g nods
[15:42] <brousch> That's a good litmus test though
[15:45] <greg-g> and what would Malcom X be? :P
[15:45] <jrwren> a freedom fighter
[15:45] <rick_h_> so RMS is an open source commando?
[15:45] <jrwren> yes
[15:45] <jrwren> no.
[15:46] <rick_h_> works for me
[15:46] <rick_h_> lol
[15:46] <jrwren> he hates the term "open source"
[15:46] <rick_h_> oh right, sorry
[15:46] <jrwren> he is a free software commando
[15:46] <greg-g> cammando... no, please no
[15:46] <rick_h_> lol
[15:46] <greg-g> he'd probably say comrade :)
[15:46] <jrwren> please remember to wear underwear
[15:46] <jrwren> His interview on RT was very good
[16:00] <cmaloney> There's a difference between being an activist and being an asshole.
[16:00] <cmaloney> an activist tries to change the world in positive ways that benefit everyone
[16:01] <cmaloney> the asshole tries to change the world to serve their own selfish interests.
[16:02] <cmaloney> And there is a fine line between the two
[16:02] <cmaloney> (with some overlap)
[16:02] <brousch> activist might be good
[16:02] <brousch> free software activist
[16:03] <brousch> To me, that implies a level of action above advocacy
[16:03] <jrwren> are you imply any of these names mentioned are assholes?
[16:03] <brousch> And I am comfortable calling MLK a civil rights activist
[16:04] <akelling> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/14/04/04/1523231/linus-torvalds-suspends-key-linux-developer
[16:05] <jrwren> old news
[16:05] <jrwren> and calling that person a keylinux developer... just the lies I expect from /.
[16:05] <jrwren> key systemd developer.
[16:05] <akelling> I can agree to that.
[16:05] <jrwren> but not a key linux developer
[16:06] <akelling> *sigh* just noticed it took /. a day to post that.
[16:08] <cmaloney> jrwren: RMS I would consider to be more activist than asshole
[16:08] <jrwren> cmaloney: agree. I've not seen any assholes mentioned.
[16:08] <cmaloney> though at times I find him petty and unreasonable.
[16:09] <cmaloney> but it is unreasonable people that enact change.
[16:09] <jrwren> i've not heard him be unreasonable.
[16:09] <cmaloney> I know more about MLK the holiday than I do about MLK the person
[16:09] <cmaloney> so I'm not one to mane the distinction
[16:09] <cmaloney> s/mane/make/
[16:13] <cmaloney> I found the whole GNU/Linux thing to be a bit much
[16:14] <jrwren> oh yeah, that is a good point.
[16:14] <jrwren> guess what isn't gnu/linux...
[16:14] <jrwren> Android.
[16:14] <jrwren> no gnu in android.
[16:14] <jrwren> just linux
[16:15] <jrwren> and I don't think anyone cares to call it BSD/Linux
[16:15] <jrwren> because that just gets confusing :)
[16:16] <greg-g> hehe
[17:22] <brousch> Be careful on the playgrounds in Ypsi http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/index.ssf/2014/04/mystery_pooper_defecating_on_p.html
[17:23] <ColonelPanic001> it's a dog
[17:23] <jrwren> yeah?
[17:24] <brousch> up on the slide?
[17:32] <jrwren> i'd think the scat type would be dicernable
[17:33] <jrwren> discernable
[17:48]  * greg-g looks for his copy of "Who pooped in the woods?"
[17:55] <brousch> Is google TV still a thing? http://www.groupon.com/deals/gg-asus-cube-with-google-tv
[18:05] <cmaloney> brousch: I doubt it'll be a thing much longer
[18:05] <cmaloney> seems like the Chromecast has pretty much subsumed it.
[18:06] <cmaloney> (or more likey consumed it :) )
[18:16] <ColonelPanic001> depends on the size of the dog
[18:16] <ColonelPanic001> some dogs poop like people
[18:16] <ColonelPanic001> perhaps it's a humanlike dog that likes to climb
[18:16] <ColonelPanic001> or a dog-human hybrid.
[18:58] <Havenstance2> YAWN!!!
[18:59] <Havenstance2> So apparently our POS software tries to capture a signature, if the customer hits cancel at the screen instead of canceling the transaction like it should it asks me if i want to try the capture again, if I click no it processes their card anyway regardless of the fact they just said they wanted to cancel the transaction
[19:02] <rick_h_> man that /. makes me have a little smile on a friday
[19:04] <callmeDarwin> POS <perk>  I've been writing POS's for 15 years
[19:13] <mrgoodcat> is there any good way to make private class methods in python?
[19:13] <brousch> Why are you so worried about privacy?
[19:13] <mrgoodcat> i'm not
[19:14] <mrgoodcat> if it isn't easy i'm not going to worry about it
[19:14] <brousch> There is only a convention for private. It is not actually enforced
[19:14] <brousch> __method
[19:14] <mrgoodcat> but there are some methods in my class that could affect the state of an instance and cause the methods that are meant to be used to return wrong values
[19:15] <rick_h_> just one _
[19:15] <mrgoodcat> will that make it private? or just a way to mark methods to stay away from
[19:15] <rick_h_> convention
[19:15] <mrgoodcat> ok
[19:15] <rick_h_> in python you can inspect at get any anything if you want
[19:15] <rick_h_> but by convention, if it's underscored, use at your own risk
[19:15] <mrgoodcat> perfect
[19:16] <mrgoodcat> is that why the thread module was renamed to _thread in py3?
[19:16] <mrgoodcat> am i supposed to use threading?
[19:16] <rick_h_> probably
[19:16] <brousch> Ah, right __ is name mangled
[19:16] <rick_h_> yep
[19:16] <rick_h_> threading ftw
[19:16] <rick_h_> so if you really really wantit you can import _thread as thread
[19:16] <mrgoodcat> thats what i did
[19:16] <mrgoodcat> lol
[19:16] <rick_h_> but it's not exposed any longer as public api
[19:17] <mrgoodcat> all i needed was to be able to spin a single thread for a reactor loop
[19:17] <mrgoodcat> so i didn't feel like relearning threading
[19:17] <rick_h_> heh, well threading, check out asyncio, tornado and twisted have nice reactor loops
[19:17] <mrgoodcat> no outside deps
[19:18] <rick_h_> so asyncio then
[19:18] <mrgoodcat> so i'm stuck writing my own
[19:18] <mrgoodcat> yea?
[19:18] <mrgoodcat> not asyncore?
[19:18] <rick_h_> thought so, looking
[19:19] <rick_h_> check out https://docs.python.org/3/library/concurrent.futures.html#module-concurrent.futures and
[19:19] <rick_h_> https://docs.python.org/3/library/asyncio.html?highlight=asyncio#module-asyncio
[19:20] <mrgoodcat> anyncio is 3.4 only
[19:20] <mrgoodcat> i'm on 3.3 right now
[19:20] <mrgoodcat> it needs to run on 12.04
[19:20] <brousch> Throw that junk away, man, it's an antique!
[19:20] <rick_h_> ah, sorry thought you were on 3.4
[19:21] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: ah, then you can pip install it
[19:21] <rick_h_> but then it's an 'outside dep'
[19:21] <rick_h_> not sure if it counts if it's eventually not outside
[19:21] <mrgoodcat> yea i'm not sure if that counts...
[19:21] <rick_h_> but concurrent.futures is available if it'll do what you need
[19:21] <mrgoodcat> ok
[19:21] <rick_h_> simple thread loop
[19:21] <mrgoodcat> thanks i'll look into it
[19:22] <mrgoodcat> but tbh it's working right now with _thread so i'm hesitant to screw with it too much
[19:22] <rick_h_> well, the thing is now if you do update python it can break
[19:22] <rick_h_> and in a non-obvious way
[19:22] <rick_h_> but yea, working > *
[19:22] <rick_h_> the others are FYI and suggestions for a future path
[19:23] <mrgoodcat> i don't want it to break on a python update...
[19:23] <mrgoodcat> that would really upset $boss
[19:23] <rick_h_> yea, thus avoid underscores
[19:23] <mrgoodcat> gdi
[19:24] <mrgoodcat> is there an equivalent to start_new_thread(func) in threading?
[19:24] <rick_h_> jrwren: might know better, I've not used it yet since I'm not py3 bound but I thought he poked at threading some
[19:24] <mrgoodcat> i'll just rtfd
[19:25] <rick_h_> http://pymotw.com/2/threading/ ?
[19:26] <mrgoodcat> so i create an instance of Thread with my function and then t.run() ?
[19:26] <mrgoodcat> er start
[20:03] <jrwren> mrgoodcat: yes.
[20:03] <jrwren> mrgoodcat: if you can, just concurrent futures.  much eaiser
[20:04] <jrwren> brousch: nice Weird Al ref.
[20:04] <jrwren> access modifiers are stupid and harmful. never mark things protected or private in any language.
[21:23] <Havenstance> mrgoodcat, zentyal is up, working, doing everything I need it for :)
[21:23] <Havenstance> Including hosting teamspeak server....
[22:18] <jrwren> teamspeak server sounds like a corporate thing
[23:33] <cmaloney> evening


[14:31] <cmaloney> morning
[14:31] <daemoneye> moin
[14:39] <Scary_Guy> moi
[14:39] <Scary_Guy> mo
[14:40] <Scary_Guy> m
[14:40] <daemoneye> It's an echo!
[14:48] <cmaloney> whee
[15:20] <greg-g> Hi ho
[22:07] <jrwren> til: https://nspawn.org


[00:19] <pochu> vuntz: hi. I'm trying to build libgweather with Python bindings support, but it fails with this:
[00:19] <pochu> make[3]: *** No rule to make target `gweather.defs', needed by `gweather.c'.  Stop.
[00:19] <pochu> vuntz: do you know what's up with it? There doesn't really seem to be a gweathers.defs target...
[00:21] <pochu> gweather.defs, of course
[00:22] <james_w> isn't that usually provided as a source file, rather than being a target?
[00:25]  * pochu hugs james_w!
[00:25] <pochu> vuntz, james_w: it's in http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/libgweather/trunk/python/ (gweather.defs) but not in the 2.24.0 tarball
[00:25] <pochu> likely missing from some DIST_FILES or something like that
[00:25]  * pochu is an autonoob
[02:16] <pochu> night folks
[11:40] <vuntz> pochu: please file a bug against libgweather
[11:40] <pochu> vuntz: ok, will do
[14:23] <Hobbsee> anyone know what libglade-gnome0-dev was eventually replaced with?
[18:23] <pochu> vuntz: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=554086
[19:06] <RainCT> Hi
[19:07] <RainCT> Are GNOME's wallpapers packaged somewhere? (And if no, is there any reason why they aren't?)
[19:22] <pochu> RainCT: there's gnome-art, which allows you to download wallpapers and themes from art.gnome.org
[19:23] <pochu> RainCT: I don't think there are GNOME wallpapers packaged though
[19:23]  * RainCT gives a pochu a medal :P
[19:24]  * pochu thanks RainCT and goes to study


[02:24] <xjkx> cant make cups work !!
[02:25] <xjkx> No f-- password works on admin thing
[02:26] <Melquiades> lol
[02:26] <Melquiades> i remember that being a problem
[02:30] <xjkx> :<
[02:31] <xjkx> it sounds like a bug, it should come perfectly usable
[02:45] <Melquiades> i don't think it's a bug, i think i was doing something noobish
[02:45] <Melquiades> it's been a long time though
[02:56] <pfein> If I have a fresh Ubuntu (ie, Gnome) install + a Xubuntu Desktop CD, how can I get xubuntu-desktop installed?
[02:57] <Melquiades> there is a way to basically do this w/out even using the cd
[02:57] <Melquiades> you have to replace gnome with kfce
[02:57] <Melquiades> it looks different but it is essentially the same thing
[02:58] <Melquiades> the easiest option is just to install xubuntu and then add the ubuntu elements you need
[02:58] <pfein> Melquiades: no, I *want* to use the CD, I don't have net access on the target yet
[02:58] <pfein> nm
[03:00] <Melquiades> and I'm supposed to know that?
[03:00] <Melquiades> LOL
[03:05] <mkquist> pfein - just add the cd to your repositories in package manager
[03:05] <mkquist> pfein - then u can just sudo-apt get it
[03:05] <pfein> mkquist: yup, figured it out.  & discovered apt-cdrom
[03:05] <pfein> ;)
[03:05] <mkquist> k
[03:13] <Wankus> Hi, whats the best way to connect to a wireless network (wpa encryption) through a xubuntu laptop? Network-manager?
[03:13] <vidd_laptop> yes
[03:14] <Wankus> so ,its "sudo aptitude install network-manager" ?
[03:14] <vidd_laptop> no.....network-manager is pre-installed
[03:15] <Wankus> it is? how do i find it, I'm on feisty?
[03:15] <pfein> mkquist: so I've got the cd in my sources.list, but xubuntu-desktop is unknown to apt-get/apt-cache
[03:15] <vidd_laptop> applications>system>network
[03:16] <Wankus> I tried that, but I couldn't use wpa for it.
[03:16] <Wankus> jus wep
[03:17] <vidd_laptop> hrm..then idk
[03:17] <vidd_laptop> =\
[03:17] <Wankus> can you use wpa in yours?
[03:18] <vidd_laptop> never tried
[03:18] <Wankus> ok, thanks for the help anyways
[03:30] <mkquist> pfein - try xfce and see what happens
[03:34] <pfein> mkquist: oops, go frustrated & turned it off.  maybe later. thx tho.
[03:34] <pfein> how does one get those "tasks" tho?
[03:34] <pfein> nm
[05:18] <ircusr> hi
[05:57] <Jester45> hi
[06:03] <ircusr> sup
[06:08] <pfein> yo
[06:09] <Jester45> hi
[10:04] <hyper_ch> !nvidia
[10:04] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:37] <bio__> does anyone know a program that will make the computer read print?
[10:40] <TheSheep> bio__: gocr and various other ocr programs
[10:40] <bio__> there are a few it appears in the synaptic if you search "speech"
[10:40] <bio__> it appears
[10:41] <bio__> text to speech programs
[10:41] <TheSheep> ah, I thought you meant text recognition
[10:51] <bio__> I got something okay
[10:51] <bio__> espeak
[10:52] <bio__> How's Ron Paul doing with you?
[10:54] <TheSheep> bio__: I beg you pardon?
[10:55] <bio__> Ron Paul for President 2008?  Doesn't ring a bell?
[10:55] <bio__> You should Google him, especially if you're American
[10:56] <TheSheep> !ot
[10:56] <ubotu> #xubuntu is the Xubuntu support channel, #xubuntu-devel for discussion regarding development of Xubuntu, and #xubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[10:56] <bio__> Xubuntu and Ron Paul are like peas and carrots (if you are in a region where such colloquialisms are recognizable)
[10:56] <bio__> anyhoo, see you later!
[10:56] <bio__> Thanks for the chatter
[10:57] <bio__> !xubuntu
[10:57] <ubotu> xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". | For support, see #xubuntu | See also: !ubuntu and !xubuntu-channels
[10:57] <bio__> I'll go to #ronpaul
[10:58] <TheSheep> bio__: we don't do politics on freenode, consider yourself warned
[11:02] <magic_ninja> are there any reasons i would have a samba server installed, seeing as I have not manually installed or configured one
[11:28] <magic_ninja> !.deb
[11:28] <ubotu> deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click on them (Ubuntu) or right-click and select Kubuntu Package Menu->install (Kubuntu)
[01:15] <Catoptromancy_> wow heh
[01:15] <Catoptromancy_> 50 mbs of updates
[01:15] <Catoptromancy_> guess I kinda forgot
[02:15] <jasonx> Has anybody got the "Rezlooks" theme engine working on Feisty (Xubuntu PPC)? I have compiled the engine and put some themes in my .themes folder but nothing shows up
[03:57] <abedo> guys I put a php file in var/www  , but when I click a link that point to this file , It open the download dialog instead go to another page .
[04:01] <hyper_ch> abedo: how did you link that file?
[04:06] <Pumpernickel> Sounds like you don't have mod_php set up properly.
[04:30] <abedo> hyper_ch: href  like any hyperlink
[04:31] <abedo> <a href="test.php">
[06:31] <pleia2> how important is it to have hald running?
[06:32] <pleia2> based on the description and how often I plug in new hardware, I'm leaning toward "not important at all"
[07:03] <TheSheep> pleia2: you also need hal for thunar to see inserted cd's and for it to eject them
[07:03] <pleia2> TheSheep: already uninstalled thunar, don't need it
[07:03] <pleia2> how about for when I plug in my usb mouse?
[07:04] <TheSheep> I guess that is handled by udev
[07:04] <pleia2> I expect so
[07:04] <TheSheep> pleia2: maybe you would be happier with a more advanced but lighted distro
[07:04] <TheSheep> pleia2: like archlinux
[07:05] <pleia2> TheSheep: this laptop already dual boots xubuntu and debian, I'm running xubuntu mostly because of the superior wireless support
[07:05] <TheSheep> ah, ok
[07:06] <pleia2> so I use xubuntu for when I'm on the road, debian for development (I maintain a couple packages)
[07:08] <VladimirMelo> do we have news about xfce schedule for ubuntu?
[07:09] <TheSheep> VladimirMelo: did you check the wiki?
[07:09] <VladimirMelo> TheSheep: no, i didn't, is there any information there?
[07:09] <TheSheep> VladimirMelo: that's where I'd start looking
[07:10] <VladimirMelo> TheSheep: ok :)
[07:10] <TheSheep> !schedule
[07:10] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[07:10] <TheSheep> some starting points :)
[07:12] <VladimirMelo> TheSheep: I'm reading about plans, by the way, I'm working to join gnome and xfce translation teams, but it's not easy
[08:17] <ReCola> hello, anyone here can help me with new install of xubuntu?
[08:17] <Pumpernickel> !anyone
[08:17] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[08:18] <ReCola> lol .. i just installed on old compaq presario 1670,  at start up i get message .. ACPI: unable to locate RSDP
[08:18] <TheSheep> ReCola: that's harmless warning
[08:19] <ReCola> hmmm .. it will not complete start up .. it stalls at spinning wheel
[08:24] <Pumpernickel> Have you tried booting with acpi disabled?
[08:24] <ReCola> no
[08:29] <Pumpernickel> It could be worth testing.
[08:30] <ReCola> thank you.
[09:43] <Catoptromancy> anyone happen to know a good mod tracker?
[10:27] <taggartbg> so...i have a laptop running xubuntu 7.04, and I have a wireless card - a linksys.  I unblacklisted it's driver (r818x), i modprobed it, it worked in the past - now when i do the exact same thing i get no results
[10:27] <taggartbg> iwconfig recognizes the card, but its as if its dead
[10:28] <taggartbg> however, its a brand new card
[10:28] <taggartbg> any help would be greatly appreciated
[10:28] <Catoptromancy> linksys should work perfectly with ndiswrapper
[10:28] <taggartbg> isn't that basically for using a windows driver on linux?
[10:29] <Catoptromancy> makes mine work fine
[10:29] <taggartbg> i don't see why i would do that, if fiesty fawn has a driver built in that worked last time i used the laptop
[10:29] <taggartbg> I'll look into it though, thanks
[10:30] <taggartbg> any other ideas?
[10:33] <str1> can anyone here tell me what happens if you unstall xfce from xubuntu feisty ?  does the system still work if i have another gui system like kde on it ?  also how do i remove xfce ?   any pointer would be appreciated
[10:34] <zials> . . . why not just install kubuntu?
[10:35] <str1> zials:  i already have kde+xfce on xubuntu feisty.... i simply want to update from xfce 4.4.0 to 4.4.1
[10:35] <str1> zials:  i have the 4.4.1 graphical installer but i am unsure if i first need to remove old xfce
[10:35] <Catoptromancy> wouldnt update manager do that
[10:36] <zials> you don't need to worry about xfce in that case...
[10:36] <str1> zials: oh ok so i can simple install the new one using the graphical setup ?
[10:37] <zials> it sounds relatively safe
[10:37] <str1> ok great.  thanks for the help
[10:37] <taggartbg> anybody have any ideas on my wifi card situation?
[10:38] <Catoptromancy> linksys are very compatible
[10:38] <Catoptromancy> exactly what model adaptor
[10:39] <taggartbg> erm, h/o
[10:39] <Catoptromancy> http://damnsmalllinux.org/wiki/index.php/Verified_Wireless_Cards
[10:39] <taggartbg> WPC11-VN v.4
[10:39] <taggartbg> it worked before
[10:40] <taggartbg> it uses the r818x driver
[10:40] <taggartbg> oh
[10:40] <taggartbg> wow
[10:40] <taggartbg> ...I forgo sudo...
[10:40] <Catoptromancy> heh
[10:40] <taggartbg>  /stupid
[10:40] <taggartbg> sorry :-P
[10:41] <Catoptromancy> heh and that was the DSL wiki
[10:41] <Catoptromancy> its about the same for ubuntu
[10:41] <taggartbg> have you / anyone here ever used wifi-radar?
[10:42] <Catoptromancy> not even sure what that is
[10:42] <taggartbg> its a wireless network manager
[10:42] <Catoptromancy> i use the one that came with pl
[10:42] <Catoptromancy> pc
[10:42] <taggartbg> its not very straighforward
[10:43] <Catoptromancy> gui in xfce, is easier to install USB wireless card in Linux than Windows
[10:56] <taggartbg> anybody use xubuntu on a WPA network?
[11:06] <taggartbg> moreover, does anybody use wifi-radar?
[11:08] <taggartbg> or, even if you don't use wifi-radar, any idea why my loopback says "no wireless extensions."?
[11:37] <clouder> what's the name of the app that xfce uses to adjust desktop gamma?
[11:47] <fijam> hello
[11:48] <fijam> intel i810, internal screen - 1280x800, external CRT - 1024x768, Xinerama
[11:48] <fijam> how to change refresh rate for CRT?
[11:49] <fijam> none of the obvious options seems to work and I am growing tired of this.
[11:54] <clouder> The only thing I can think of is setting them independently in the monitor sections of your xorg.conf.  not sure how obvious you would consider that though
[11:55] <fijam> I have tried that, it seems to be ignored
[12:11] <fijam> it's past midnight already, I'll look into it tomorrow


[19:49] <Eveadon> suppp
[22:41] <spasticteapot> Does anyone know what's causing the bug where you can't adjust your LCD brightness?
[22:42] <spasticteapot> It affects my X61, so I'm guessing it will also affect the T61, and I've heard a fellow with a NEC laptop had the same problem.