[00:06] <genii-around> Exilant: You have the "Notifications" widget on your bar?
[00:07] <Exilant> yes
[00:07] <Exilant> says "no devices available"
[00:11] <genii-around> Exilant: If you hover over it ( the lowercase i in a circle ) should say something like: "Notifications and Jobs" and under: "No active jobs or notifications"
[00:13] <Exilant> ah, this. Yes, that's also present. nothing happens there if i plug in a device
[01:03] <xjjk> hello, how is KDE 4.6rc1?
[01:04] <xjjk> digiKam/marble are broken for me in my 4.5.5 install on 10.10
[01:04] <xjjk> wondering if I should just upgrade everything
[01:04] <james147> xjjk: why use rc1? rc2 is out :)
[01:04] <xjjk> james147: aha
[01:05] <xjjk> well, same question applies
[01:05] <xjjk> I remember trying one of the betas and being miserable with how much was broken
[01:05] <xjjk> power management in particular
[01:05] <Daskreech> xjjk: rc1 sucked rc2 is where it's at
[01:05] <james147> whats broken about digikam?
[01:05] <xjjk> james147: well, marble specifically
[01:05] <xjjk> and apparently the marble kpart
[01:05] <xjjk> marble just crashes on startup, consistently
[01:05] <Daskreech> There are still some bugs but over all it's pretty nice I havn't found anything horribly broken except resuming from Sleep but that's the kernel's fault
[01:06] <xjjk> digikam if you try to view photo on top of OpenStreetMap
[01:06] <Daskreech> xjjk: With what error?
[01:06] <xjjk> diigkam crashes
[01:06] <xjjk> no error, seg11
[01:06] <xjjk> sig11*
[01:06] <xjjk> I'm running some number of PPAs so I haven't bothered reporting a bug… I've had marble-related crashes before
[01:06] <james147> ^^ sorry dont use that part of digikam :) but the rest of rc2 will stable enough to me...
[01:07] <james147> so might be worth upgrading to see, or you could try it in a vm
[01:07] <xjjk> mm, well the parts that broke for me before were power management
[01:07] <xjjk> which I can't test in a VM
[01:08] <xjjk> powerdevil/whatever replaced it was very messed up in 4.6b1
[01:08] <Daskreech> xjjk: run it from the konsole
[01:08] <james147> umm yeah :p... been running rc2 fine on my netbook though, havent had any problems with powermanagment on that
[01:08] <xjjk> Daskreech: run what, digiKam?
[01:10] <Daskreech> xjjk: marble
[01:10] <xjjk> Daskreech: http://paste.ubuntu.com/556714/
[01:10] <xjjk> not really useful...
[01:11] <xjjk> I could install the dbg packages but I don't think anyone cares since I'm using some odd mix of PPA packages
[01:11] <Daskreech> An essential tile is missing. Please rerun the application.
[01:11] <xjjk> it's easier to upgrade to 4.6rc2 and try that
[01:11] <Daskreech> that seems useful to me
[01:11] <xjjk> hrm, missed that
[01:12] <Daskreech> try rebuild your map cache I would guess
[01:12] <Daskreech> (this is in no way trying to stop you getting RC2)
[01:12] <xjjk> yeh, just nuked .marble
[01:12] <xjjk> still crashes
[01:12] <xjjk> with same error
[01:13] <xjjk> and, nevermind
[01:13] <xjjk> nuked the configs in .kde
[01:13] <xjjk> doesn't crash anymore
[01:13] <moses_> is there a program that lets me turn off all the fancy effects for my kubuntu to save processing speed
[01:14] <xjjk> but it still crashes digiKam, blah
[01:14] <moses_> or is there some kind of processing optimizer?
[01:14] <james147> moses_: system settings > desktop effects
[01:14] <moses_> i messed with those
[01:14] <moses_> but theres this program called kwin
[01:14] <xjjk> Daskreech: yeah it consistently crashes when attempting to use OpenStreetMap
[01:14] <moses_> and i cant open it
[01:15] <xjjk> deleting my marble config apparently just reset the default map
[01:15] <xjjk> to the lame globe
[01:15] <james147> moses_: kwin is the window manager... it should already be running, if its not you have no control over your windows :)
[01:15] <Daskreech> xjjk: run digikam from the konsole?
[01:15] <moses_> ok]
[01:15] <moses_> but how can i make it minimal
[01:16] <james147> ^^ desktop effects is handeled by kwin
[01:16] <james147> you should be able to just turn them off via that settings page
[01:16] <xjjk> Daskreech: same error about an essential tile missing
[01:16] <Daskreech> xjjk: in Digikam?
[01:16] <xjjk> Daskreech: yes
[01:16] <Daskreech> ha. Might want to pop into Digikam and ask about that
[01:16] <Daskreech> sounds like a kwin issue?
[01:17] <xjjk> Daskreech: eh, I'm going to get told to upgrade
[01:18] <xjjk> which is why I'm asking about 4.6rc2
[01:18] <Daskreech> xjjk: Doubtful but it's not a bad idea
 digikam 1.4, what? upgrade to 1.7!
[01:18] <Daskreech> xjjk: Rc2 should work fine but YMMV
[01:18] <Daskreech> it's really solid so far though
[01:19] <Daskreech> xjjk: To be fair many KDE devs are not like that unles they begged people not to use 1.4 for real work stuff
[01:19] <xjjk> Daskreech: can't hurt I guess, I'll ask
[01:19] <Daskreech> if it was known to be not the best release they will release it and say please find bugs.
[01:20] <xjjk> er, actually
[01:20] <xjjk> it's not a digikam problem, it's a marble problem...
[01:20] <Daskreech> That normally means a huge number of fixes between that and 1.7 so they will say please use that since we can't keep a track of all the fixes
[01:22] <Daskreech> xjjk: The marble problem crashes digikam?
[01:22] <xjjk> Daskreech: it appears so, yes
[01:23] <xjjk> selecting the OpenStreetMap map in either marble or in digikam's marble control causes both to crash
[01:26] <Daskreech> xjjk: oh then bug marble then :)
[01:27] <Daskreech> (so to speak)
[01:27] <Daskreech> while you upgrade to RC2 ;)
[01:31] <xjjk> does powerdevil/power management work with rc2?
[01:31] <xjjk> i.e. can I suspend with krunner
[01:31] <xjjk> and does the plasma applet work
[01:31] <xjjk> those were the main problems I had with b1
[01:32] <james147> xjjk: is working here
[01:32] <xjjk> james147: cool, I'll just upgrade
[01:32] <xjjk> and then debug from there
[01:37] <zigamo> #freedoom
[01:38] <Daskreech> You can take my Binaries but you can never take my Freedoom!!!
[02:32] <greendevil> hi
[02:39] <Daskreech> ji
[02:39] <Daskreech> hi
[04:25] <rtdos> how do i use kate to convert tabs to spaces? (the setting to convert tabs to spaces is ticked in the settings dialog but i already have a file that used tabs)
[04:36] <valorie> rtdos, in the past I've just used the replace/replace all function
[04:37] <valorie> type in a tab, and in the other however many spaces you want
[04:37] <valorie> works like a charm
[04:42] <Daskreech> Yeah there is a space to tabs entry though
[04:45] <rtdos> i've got that ticked already daskreech but wasn't sure if it would convert tabs to spaces after the fact.
[04:45] <rtdos> thanks valorie
[04:47] <rtdos> wow.
[04:47] <rtdos> i guess a ctrl+a followed by a ctrl+x followed by a ctrl+v does the same thing. amazing what you can find out by accident. :)
[05:12] <lemonmi> 有人吧一
[05:12] <lemonmi> 有人吗
[06:29] <luis_> hello everyone i like to ask you about KDE i am readin for Kubuntu10.10 that is has been done with kde4.5.5 but now they are working on kubuntu10.10 with kde4.6 is this correct?
[06:29] <luis_> or they are just doing kde4.6 and then user will have to kubuntu10.10 choices?
[06:30] <luis_> 2*
[06:30] <emonkey> they have the choice
[06:30] <luis_> like kubuntu10.10 with kde4.5.5 and also kubuntu10.10 with kde4.6?
[06:31] <emonkey> but there will never be a 10.10 installation CD with 4.6
[06:31] <luis_> so right now the one available is kubuntu10.10 with kde4.5.5 right?
[06:31] <luis_> oo
[06:31] <emonkey> you've to install it after
[06:31] <luis_> so? how do you get kde4.6?
[06:31] <emonkey> are the packages released yet?
[06:32] <luis_> there's a RC
[06:32] <luis_> available as of 2011-01-07
[06:33] <emonkey> there will be accessible through a repository if they will be packaged for 10.10
[06:33] <emonkey> just like the packages fpr 4.5.5 http://www.kubuntu.org/kde-sc-4.5.5
[06:33] <luis_> but how do you make an upgrade on kde?
[06:33] <luis_> i am just finding out this
[06:33] <luis_> never knew it before
[06:34] <luis_> well anyway
[06:34] <emonkey> it depends which upgrade do you mean ... just upgrade a program or kde to a newer version or the hole system ....
[06:34] <luis_> kde
[06:35] <luis_> te newest is kubuntu10.10 right
[06:35] <luis_> ?
[06:35] <emonkey> yes
[06:35] <luis_> so that would be the whoe system
[06:35] <luis_> whole*
[06:35] <emonkey> the next will be 11.4 which will be released in april
[06:35] <luis_> jesus
[06:35] <luis_> to fast
[06:35] <luis_> well anyway
[06:36] <luis_> few days ago somebody told me that kubuntu10.10 is lighter and faster than the former one is this true?
[06:36] <luis_> cause i do still have hardy
[06:36] <emonkey> hm ... good question.
[06:37] <emonkey> and unfotunately for me it's now time to go to work ...
[06:37] <luis_> and the reason is cause the karmic and lucid are too heavy for my pc and it slow down all aplications
[06:37] <emonkey> sorry, I'll hope you find the answers, but I've really to go.
[06:37] <luis_> ok txs
[06:37] <luis_> so some one else?
[06:39] <emonkey> oh yeah just one more thing: normally there not a lot of people awake in here on this time ... ;-)
[06:47] <luis_> how do i know my hd capacity? can anyone tell mepls
[06:52] <luis_> i just found that that kubuntu10.10 requieres a video VGA graphic card so if my desktop don't have that it means it won't work properly???
[06:53] <DarthFrog> luis_: Kubuntu doesn't require that.  Your system requires video capability to boot.
[06:53] <luis_> what does that mean
[06:53] <luis_> i am looking at kubuntu10.10 requirements and it does says that
[06:53] <DarthFrog> It means if you have a working system now, video wont'be a problem.
[06:54] <luis_> i have hardy
[06:54] <DarthFrog> You'll be fine.
[06:54] <luis_> the reason why i haven't install the other ones ... well i actually did, but with lucid and karmic my desktop slows down a lot
[06:55] <DarthFrog> As for your hard dirve, use "Disk Utility" from your Menu/System.
[06:55] <luis_> that's why i am not using the newer ones
[06:55] <luis_> ok
[06:55] <luis_> however someone told me that 10.10 is lighter and faster than the formers ones is this true?
[06:55] <DarthFrog> I don't know if Hardy had "Disk Utility" but it'll have something similar.
[06:56] <DarthFrog> I can't tell you that since my machine is has a 6 core processor and 8 gigs RAM.  It'll run anything fast. :-)
[06:56] <luis_> course it does :P
[06:56] <luis_> not mine
[06:56] <DarthFrog> What do you have?
[06:57] <luis_> i don't think we have that yet in here
[06:57] <luis_> i think is up to 3 core
[06:57] <luis_> old old old desktop pentium intel 2.40 Ghz IGb hd and 512 Ram
[06:57] <luis_> that's my desktop
[06:58] <DarthFrog> Ah.  That's ancient alright.  But in the '80s it'd be close to being a supercomputer. :-)
[06:58] <DarthFrog> Can you put more RAM in it?
[06:58] <valorie> heh, my 80s computer had 80k!
[06:58] <valorie> who needs more than that?
[06:59] <valorie> :-)
[06:59] <DarthFrog> valorie: Back then?  Or now? :-^)
[06:59] <luis_> well we are not in the 80's anymore
[06:59] <luis_> and OS are developing faster
[07:00] <luis_> and they do require more efficient machines
[07:00] <head_victim> Good afternoon, I will be attending a conference locally here in Australia and I was hoping to loop some promotional videos to showcase Ubuntu. To this end I was wondering if such a video exists for Kubuntu?
[07:00] <luis_> that's why my concern about installing kubuntu10.10 i don't know if my computer will be fast and reliable with this new kubuntu
[07:01] <DarthFrog> Have you considered trying Xubuntu or Lubuntu instead of Kubuntu?  Xubuntu uses Xfce instead of KDE and is much less demanding of system resources.
[07:01] <luis_> i haven't hear lubuntu
[07:01] <valorie> DarthFrog: I think it's in the attic!
[07:01] <DarthFrog> !lubuntu | luis
[07:01] <valorie> Coleco ADAM
[07:01] <luis_> xubuntu i have had and i don't like it at all
[07:01] <DarthFrog> head_victim: Sorry, I don't know of any.
[07:02] <valorie> luis, can you boot to a CD?
[07:02] <luis_> mmm so that suppose to be lighter but also better than Xubuntu right?
[07:02] <valorie> or a USB?
[07:02] <luis_> yes i can
[07:02] <head_victim> DarthFrog: yeah I thought there would have been a few of each but I'm struggling to find many at all, they're all "howto" screencasts rather than promotional material.
[07:02] <DarthFrog> luis_: I've never tried Lubuntu.
[07:02] <luis_> me neither
[07:03] <luis_> i have never hear about it
[07:03] <luis_> first tiem
[07:03] <head_victim> luis_: Lubuntu is what I use on all my P4 machines and older. It's a good mix between features and speed.
[07:03] <luis_> time
[07:03] <DarthFrog> head_victim: I wonder whether it might be worth emailing Canonical and ask?
[07:03] <luis_> i see
[07:03] <valorie> heh
[07:03] <luis_> sound nice
[07:03] <head_victim> DarthFrog: just have to find the right one
[07:03] <head_victim> email address that is
[07:03] <valorie> like Canonical would make a Kub. ad!
[07:03] <valorie> lol
[07:04] <head_victim> Well the ubuntu website has one of theirs but other than that I haven't been able to find anything really.
[07:04] <DarthFrog> head_victim: You can ask Riddell, either here or in #kubuntu-devel if you manage to catch him.  He's the head honcho of Kubuntu.
[07:04] <luis_> let me get this right, so base on what you just said Lubuntu is meant to be lighter but also with a nice desktop enviroment therefore lot better than Xubuntu?
[07:05] <DarthFrog> head_victim: But with you being in Oz and him in Blighty, I think you two might be out of phase.
[07:05] <head_victim> DarthFrog: I'll just leave a message
[07:05] <DarthFrog> luis_: What don't you like about Xfce on Xubuntu?
[07:06] <head_victim> Riddell: DarthFrog has volunteered you as someone who might know if any Kubuntu promotional videos exist that I can use at a conference to advertise Kubuntu. When you get this ping if you can please either PM any links you might know of or places that might be better to ask.
[07:06] <luis_> it won't take my keyboard media and also i don't see any diference like being faster than kubuntu and desktop is not nice as well
[07:06] <head_victim> luis_: depends on what you call "better". To me is a lot lighter so if you're after lighter then it is "better"
[07:06] <DarthFrog> head_victim: LOL!   :-)  You lose.
[07:08] <luis_> don't help don't do anything useful just complain
[07:09] <luis_> i wont'
[07:09] <luis_> i don't care aboput someone useless
[07:09] <luis_> well anyway thank you very much for your help
[07:09] <DarthFrog> luis_: It's not a "someone", it's a program.  It defends the channel.
[07:09] <luis_> i will see what i can do
[07:10] <luis_> then that program is not doing right
[07:10] <luis_> i am not flooding and it always said that
[07:11] <luis_> ok txs a lot guys again i'll take a look to Lubuntu and Kubuntu10.10 and see wich one fits better
[07:11] <luis_> take care
[09:34] <abc321> How can i disable kdm?
[10:18] <abc321> ?????????????\
[10:25] <Peace-> abc321: ?
[10:25] <Peace-> xD
[10:25] <abc321> disabling kdm for console login
[10:26] <Peace-> mmm
[10:26] <Peace-> abc321: why?
[10:26] <Peace-> where?
[10:27] <abc321> I like to login from console
[10:27] <abc321> How can i disable it?
[10:27] <abc321> I was removed kdm but .........
[10:27] <abc321> I am trying to console login but it is hanging after message like : fsck from util-linux-ng 2.17.2 /dev/sdb1: clean 380060/4259840 files, 7192759/8514442 blocks
[10:29] <Peace-> abc321: guess you have to edit cat /etc/init/kdm.conf
[10:30] <Peace-> abc321: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1477439
[10:30] <Peace-> abc321: sounds like a problem in the sdb1
[10:30] <Peace-> so...
[10:30] <Peace-> hd ?
[10:31] <Peace-> you have to fix your hd
[10:31] <Peace-> i guess
[10:31] <Peace-> for that you can use the recovery mode
[10:31] <abc321> It start fine if installed kdm
[10:31] <abc321> Nothing work
[10:31] <Peace-> mm
[10:31] <abc321> Everything is hanging
[10:32] <Peace-> abc321: i have to admit i have ever thinked to disable kdm
[10:32] <Peace-> abc321: wait a moment
[10:32] <abc321> k
[10:32] <Peace-> abc321: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3101488
[10:33] <abc321> Even if i run fsck then it output only : fsck from util-linux-ng 2.17.2
[10:34] <Peace-> abc321: i dunno man to me... for what i remember that means there are some problem on the filesystem
[10:34] <Peace-> so you have to fix with fsck with an unmounted hd
[10:35] <Peace-> after that or the hd is fixed and it doesn't hang anymore
[10:35] <Peace-> or there are a very huge problem , hardware speaking
[10:35] <abc321> Unmounted hardisk mean>?
[10:36] <Peace-> abc321: you have to run fsck un-mounted
[10:36] <Peace-> i mean
[10:36] <abc321> how?
[10:36] <Peace-> you know when you attach an usb hd ? before you have to mount...
[10:37] <Peace-> abc321: i guess the best way would be with an live cd
[10:37] <Peace-> i guess
[10:37] <Peace-> but of couse i am not sure about he issue
[10:37] <abc321> Please me know to do it using livecd
[10:38] <abc321> how to do with livecd
[10:38] <Peace-> abc321: your language is ?
[10:39] <abc321> russian
[10:39] <Peace-> !ru | abc321
[10:39] <Peace-> abc321: i guess you could find much more help on russian channel
[10:39] <Peace-> wher you can explain better your issue
[10:39] <abc321> Peace-, English is ok but this problem is making me mad
[10:40] <naftilos76> hi everyone, does anybody know why when copying one or lots of files into a flash memory i get the indication (abnormal according to my opinion) that the copy speed rate is 40Mbytes/s and it easily drops down to 1 or 0.5Mbytes/sec? I know that the average write speed for big files is 6-7Mbytes/sec and 3-4Mbytes for small files! Can anybody guess what is going on?
[10:40] <Peace-> abc321: but kid what did you do to the system ?
[10:41] <Peace-> naftilos76: mmm the files are very little?
[10:42] <naftilos76> it doesn't happen only in small files. It happens always.
[10:43] <Peace-> naftilos76: what i can say it's this : dolphin has a bug for little files (when coping lots of files)
[10:43] <naftilos76> it doesn't happen when copying small or big files to an external hard disk. it only happens on flash memories
[10:44] <naftilos76> well i am sure i have faced any problems with dolphin lately. i am using KDE 4.5.5 updated from backports
[10:44] <naftilos76> i am NOT sure
[10:44] <Peace-> mmm
[10:45] <Peace-> could be dolphin
[10:45] <naftilos76> dolphin seems pretty stable...
[10:45] <Peace-> naftilos76: you could try to install enlightment
[10:45] <naftilos76> well i can't say for sure
[10:45] <Peace-> and try with it's filemanager
[10:45] <Peace-> i guess it's only 18 mega xD
[10:45] <Peace-> for a DE
[10:46] <naftilos76> this is a workstation in my business! there is no way i will spend time doing that extensive changes!
[10:46] <Peace-> abc321: i remember on the kdm widnows there are option
[10:46] <naftilos76> KDE has matured enough!
[10:46] <Peace-> abc321: i guess there is konsole login too
[10:46] <Peace-> i guess i didn't remember well
[10:46] <Peace-> naftilos76: yes but there are still some problems
[10:47] <Peace-> as one could aspect for a rewrited DE
[10:47] <naftilos76> Peace: i am sure there are and will be...I just hope that they will stay very well hidden that none will encounter them :-)
[10:48] <abc321> !option | Peace-
[10:48] <abc321> lol
[10:49] <Peace-> abc321: there should be an arrow or something i guess there is konsole login
[10:49] <Peace-> but still i can't understand why you want a konsole login :S
[10:50] <Peace-> to check where kernels hangs i wll press ALT f1 when kenrel starts
[10:58] <abc321> Peace-, If you console login then you will see everything (debug)
[11:09] <ct529> hi! I have installed ratpoison but it does not appear in the list of dm at login. any clue?
[11:09] <lemonmi> 有人
[11:10] <rork> !cn | lemonmi
[11:11] <abc321> lemonmi, 有人
[11:13] <Peace-> abc321: nope man
[11:13] <Peace-> abc321: press ALT F1 on the boot time
[11:13] <Peace-> after grub
[11:13] <Peace-> you will see
[11:14] <etidhor> hi everyone
[11:16] <etidhor> sehdy bjdyu iiodn
[11:16] <rork> hello etidhor
[11:17] <etidhor> ssihfsoiesiuendxcus
[11:17] <etidhor> a
[11:17] <etidhor> a
[11:17] <etidhor> a
[11:17] <etidhor> a
[11:17] <etidhor> a
[11:17] <FloodBotK3> etidhor: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:18] <etidhor> hi
[11:22] <etidhor> anyone can explain me how to use aircrack-ng step by step ????
[11:23] <Peace-> !hack
[11:23] <Peace-> !aircrack
[11:23] <Peace-> -.-
[11:23] <Peace-> etidhor: we don't say  about crackin wifi
[11:23] <Peace-> because it's illegal for an imprope use
[11:23] <ct529> what is aircrak
[11:24] <etidhor> actually aircrack-ng it is named
[11:24] <Peace-> ct529: getting the wifi password from unknown wifi network
[11:24] <etidhor> using it is illegal not hte telling how to use
[11:24] <Peace-> etidhor: actually you can't speak about that here
[11:24] <Peace-> .
[11:24] <ct529> Peace-: thanks
[11:24] <etidhor> you can say so
[11:25] <etidhor> how to use it
[11:25] <Peace-> no
[11:25] <ct529> I have installed ratpoison but it does not appear in the list of dm at login. any clue?
[11:25] <etidhor> use terminal
[11:26] <etidhor> write ratpoison blabla
[11:26] <etidhor> and it will work
[11:26] <etidhor>  Peace-  u r a**h**e
[11:26] <ct529> etidhor: your will be kicked out if you keep going this way
[11:27] <Peace-> i have to call someone ? etidhor
[11:27] <etidhor> call micheal tyson
[11:28] <Peace-> etidhor: please read the topic or you will be kicked
[11:28] <Peace-> and respect that
[11:28] <etidhor> the respect i am
[11:30] <Peace-> !ops
[11:30] <ct529> I know ratpoison can be used from command line, but I would like to have it as option in the dm list
[11:31] <Peace-> ct529: i gues you have to edit kdm.conf
[11:32] <ct529> Peace-: it does not seems to be there, the list
[11:32] <etidhor> download it from software center
[11:32] <ct529> Peace-: I wonder why when you install it it does not get added to the list, as all the others (e.g. xfce or icewm)
[11:32] <Peace-> ct529: well it's a destkop that is not used so much
[11:33] <ct529> Peace-: do you know of any other dm that does not use the mouse?
[11:33] <Peace-> ct529: so... maybe packagers has not time to  set every de around the world
[11:33] <ct529> Peace-: every de?
[11:33] <Peace-> ct529: actually kubuntu is studied for kde
[11:33] <ct529> Peace-: what is a de?
[11:34] <Peace-> desktop enviroments
[11:34] <ct529> Peace-:sorry, I callled them dm .... yes, but then it should be removed from the repository if it is unmanaged ....
[11:34] <ct529> Peace-: at the same time, it is useful to have at least one dm or de without mouse
[11:36] <Jean1> hello, if i want to share a partition on a kubuntu machine with a xp machine, what filesystem should i format that partition? thx
[11:36] <Peace-> Jean1: ntfs
[11:36] <Jean1> thx
[11:37] <ct529> Peace-: the other problem I have is that I cannot change the default desktop configuration (like wallpaper and so on) .... so if I create a new activity it goes back to ethais .... is it possible to change this default?
[11:37] <ct529> Jean1: or fat
[11:37] <Peace-> ct529: why you can't change the desktop wallpaper :S
[11:37] <Peace-> omg
[11:37] <Peace-> Jean1: fat is slower
[11:38] <Peace-> Jean1: and doesn't support big big big hd
[11:38] <ct529> Jean1: this can help you http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/could-i-create-a-fat-partition-that-both-winxp-and-linux-could-read-write-to-282002/
[11:38] <Peace-> !ntfs
[11:39] <Peace-> ct529: use the wiki
[11:39] <ct529> Jean1: that can help you for ntfs http://www.ehow.com/how_5937856_create-ntfs-partition-ubuntu-linux.html
[11:39] <Jean1> thx
[11:40] <etidhor> how register channel to kubuntu irc
[11:40] <ct529> Peace-: because everytime you create an activity, you have to change desktop, and if you have tens of machines you want to have a common feeling with a common image
[11:41] <Mamarok> etidhor: you mean registering your nick?
[11:41] <marxjohnson> or joining a new channel?
[11:41] <ct529> Peace-: the wiki? for what?
[11:41] <Peace-> ct529: locate kubuntu-default
[11:41] <etidhor> bath
[11:41] <etidhor> both
[11:41] <Peace-> ct529: type this on konsole
[11:41] <etidhor> *
[11:42] <Mamarok> etidhor: both what? Could you please talk in sentences to be more clear?
[11:42] <marxjohnson> to join a new channel type (slash)join #channelname
[11:42] <Peace-> ct529: you wann set the default desktop wallpaper for every computer? and every uyse
[11:42] <Peace-> ct529: users?
[11:42] <etidhor> registerin nick forever
[11:43] <bazhang> etidhor, #freenode for that
[11:43] <ct529> Peace-: and activity .... so when people create a new activity on their desktop they see the intended wallpaper
[11:43] <ct529> Peace-: yes, I located the defaults
[11:43] <ct529> Jean1: np
[11:44] <ct529> Peace-: but I do not seem to make much sense of it
[11:45] <ct529> Peace-: sorry, them
[11:45] <Peace-> ct529: mm really tou have to explain better what exactly you wanna do
[11:46] <Peace-> i mean ok the samedestkop \ activity for everyuser?
[11:46] <Peace-> mm
[11:47] <Peace-> i guess i catch the issue when you set a wall paper and you create a brandnew activity the wallpaper turn back to the default kubuntu's
[11:47] <Peace-> wallpaper
[11:47] <Peace-> so you wanna change that?
[11:47] <ct529> Peace-: when a user creates a new activity, the wallpaper reverts to a default wallpaper. I want to set this default wallpaper so that all users, when they create a new kde activity have my wallpaper on it, not the present default
[11:47] <Peace-> yea
[11:47] <ct529> Peace-: exactly
[11:48] <Peace-> i had this issue too
[11:48] <Peace-> ct529: you have to manage the configuration files you can find in the kubuntu-default folder
[11:48] <Peace-> that has a lots of stuff
[11:48] <Peace-> like where the docks are
[11:48] <Peace-> and so on...
[11:48] <ct529> Peace-: do you know which one? there is like 40 files
[11:48] <Peace-> xD
[11:48] <Peace-> let me see
[11:49] <Peace-> if i remember something
[11:50] <Peace-> ct529: here there is the cube caps xD /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/apps/kwin/
[11:51] <ct529> Peace-: yes, I saw that .... but do not seem to find the default wallpaper
[11:51] <Peace-> ct529: /usr/share/wallpapers
[11:51] <Peace-> shouild be there
[11:52] <Peace-> ct529: shopuld be air
[11:53] <ct529> Peace-: I think it is ethais
[11:53] <Peace-> ct529: could be
[11:53] <ct529> Peace-: but where is the configuration file that sets it????
[11:54] <ct529> Peace-: I cannot find it
[11:54] <Peace-> ct529: mmm i have to say i dunno i should find out
[11:56] <ct529> Peace-: don't worry, but thanks for trying to help ....
[12:11] <ct529> Peace-: I don't know, do not seem to be able to solve it
[12:12] <ct529> Peace-: I looked everywhere and googled everywhere
[12:25] <Peace-> ct529: mmm
[12:25] <Peace-> ct529: for now i will change the wallpaper like said before in usr share wallpapers
[12:26] <Peace-> then with time i will find the doslution
[12:26] <Peace-> solution
[12:28] <Peace-> ct529: i have asked here #kde
[12:36] <ct529> Peace-: thanks I have done the same
[12:41] <mantas_Newbie> hi, is it possible to have different panels for different desktops?
[12:41] <mantas_Newbie> as atm i can have only different widgets and wallpapers...
[12:41] <PasNox> Hi all
[12:42] <PasNox> i'm having problem having vlc plugin mozilla working with chromium browser ( kubuntu 10.10 / 64bits )
[12:42] <PasNox> any ideas?
[12:54] <Peace-> mantas_Newbie: yes
[12:55] <mantas_Newbie> Peace, could u tell me what am i missing? why i cant find settings for this?
[13:00] <Peace-> mantas_Newbie: kjust a second i was speaking with a dev
[13:00] <mantas_Newbie> ok
[14:09] <jp_ie> hi all
[14:25] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[15:36] <GHH> After install kdm it is working again
[15:39] <GHH> but i want to remove completlly for getting console as login interface
[15:40] <GHH> kdm
[16:01] <Exposure> i'm trying a dist-upgrade but I get a 404 on some of the packages... what to do?
[16:02] <james147> Exposure: you should try chaning your mirror
[16:02] <james147> changing ^^
[16:03] <tsimpson> make sure you run "sudo apt-get update" before going through the upgrade process
[16:04] <Exposure> ok that works
[16:04] <Exposure> so the nl.archive.ubuntu.com is out of sync since yesterday
[16:06] <GHH> Exposure, Can you help me for root login please?
[16:07] <tsimpson> GHH: use "sudo -H -i" to get a root shell
[16:07] <james147> GHH: why do you want to login as root?
[16:09] <GHH> tsimpson, Not shell but from login window
[16:09] <Exposure> just press ctrl-alt-f1
[16:09] <tsimpson> you can't
[16:09] <tsimpson> and shouldn't
[16:09] <james147> Never login to a gi as root
[16:09] <james147> gui ^^
[16:09] <Exposure> lets not decide that for him
[16:10] <tsimpson> it's explicitly disabled
[16:10] <Exposure> it works for me
[16:10] <james147> Exposure: ^^ its a really bad idea... and there is NO reason for it other then to break your system
[16:10] <Exposure> but maybe it won't once the dist-upgrade is finished :P
[16:10] <tsimpson> if you think you need to login as root, you're doing something wrong
[16:11]  * james147 agrees
[16:11] <Exposure> well i really don't like this direction  (k)ubuntu is taking
[16:11] <Exposure> linux has always been about giving free choice to users
[16:11] <GHH> tsimpson, I need to configure something]
[16:11] <tsimpson> you can disable the restrictions, but that's just making bad things happen
[16:11] <james147> GHH: what? there are other ways of doing it
[16:12] <tsimpson> GHH: why do you think you need to login as root for?
[16:12] <james147> tsimpson: is it disabled in kubuntu or kde by default?
[16:13] <tsimpson> most display manages disable it by default
[16:13] <tsimpson> and if you enable it, root can't login by default anyway
[16:13] <tsimpson> as it has no password
[16:13] <GHH> tsimpson, a lot of thing
[16:13] <GHH> I also set the root password
[16:13] <GHH> I can use su but i need minimum only for 1 time the root login
[16:14] <tsimpson> why do you need to _login_ as root?
[16:14] <tsimpson> rather than just switching to root?
[16:14] <james147> GHH: what are you trying to do?
[16:14] <james147> GHH: also... its not advised to enabled a root password... if you need a root shell use "sudo -i"
[16:21] <abc321> tsimpson, Even i do not know how to login as root from GUI window then what is the benefit
[16:21] <abc321> then should i not learn it?
[16:21] <tsimpson> you never need to login as root, that's why sudo and kdesudo exist
[16:22] <james147> abc321: what are you trying to achieve? we can tell you how you should be doing it ^^
[16:22] <abc321> thats mean, Impossible it for ever?
[16:23] <Exposure> its not impossible there's just no good reason to do it
[16:23] <james147> abc321: ^^ and so we dont want to tell you with out a really good reason to as it is a really bad idea
[16:24] <james147> and there is a almost certinaly a better way to do what you want
[16:24] <tsimpson> allowing login as root decreases the security of your system, and allowing GUI logins as root decreases it further
[16:25] <abc321> tsimpson, I know
[16:25] <james147> abc321: then what are you trying to do?
[16:26] <abc321> It will be easy for me to configure my some personal thing'
[16:26] <james147> ...
[16:27] <abc321> yeah
[16:27] <tsimpson> you're personal things?
[16:27] <tsimpson> *youre
[16:27] <abc321> It is not mean that i will login every time
[16:27] <abc321> Yeah it is personal
[16:28] <tsimpson> what personal settings can you configure as root that you can't configure as your normal user?
[16:28] <james147> abc321: still dont see any reason for it... just use sudo and kdesudo
[16:31] <Merbo> hello
[16:31] <james147> Hello Merbo
[16:31] <Merbo> how to you upgrade kubuntu 10.04 to 10.10?
[16:31] <Merbo> excuse my english
[16:31] <tsimpson> !upgrade
[16:32] <Merbo> it works for Kubuntu aswell?
[16:32] <tsimpson> there are Kubuntu specific instructions there too
[16:35] <BluesKaj> Merbo,  you can upgrade thru the internet by: sudo do-release-upgrade , but make sure any ppas are removed from your sources.list or package manager
[16:36] <tsimpson> BluesKaj: the upgrade manage will remove the PPA entries
[16:36] <tsimpson> and any other 3rd party sources it finds
[16:38] <BluesKaj> tsimpson, ok, but the update/upgrade manager has caused probs lately for some ...it's abit flaky
[16:39] <james147> ^^ I thinkthat might be whenn you ahve a newer version of somethig then is in the version you are upgrading to
[16:39] <Merbo> i get no updates, but I'm certain im on 10.04
[16:39] <james147> Merbo: you need to make sure you set it to check for normal releases and not LTS ones
[16:39] <Merbo> how?
[16:40] <BluesKaj> Merbo, to find what OS version, lsb_release -a
[16:40] <tsimpson> see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades/Kubuntus
[16:40] <Merbo> 10.04.2 LTS codename lucid
[16:41] <james147> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LucidUpgrades/Kubuntu  ^^ you mean
[16:42] <tsimpson> yeah
[16:42] <tsimpson> er, no
[16:42] <james147> heh
[16:42] <james147> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades/Kubuntu
[16:42] <tsimpson> MaverickUpgrades is for upgrading _to_ maverick
[16:42] <james147> yeah :) noticed after i pasted it :)
[16:43]  * james147 should read things before pasting tehm
[16:43] <Merbo> thank you.
[16:47] <Derek_Roberts> Hi everyone i am having trouble with my Ar5007 wifi card. It recognizes it but when i run lshw -C Network it says that it is disabled.
[16:49] <Derek_Roberts> Any help would be great.
[16:49] <james147> Derek_Roberts: make sure the hardware switch (if any) isent turned off
[16:50] <Derek_Roberts> Ok how do i do that. the button that turns it on is blue meaning it is on.
[16:51] <james147> Derek_Roberts: then its.. probally... on   (though i dont trust those lights, mine if always on :D )
[16:52] <james147> !wireless
[16:52] <Derek_Roberts> Well that is the problem the light says it is on but my computer says it is disabled
[16:52] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: hi there i am a wifi user
[16:52] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: iwconfig
[16:52] <Peace-> in the konsole
[16:52] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: ....
[16:53] <Derek_Roberts> Peace I have tryed iwconfig but all it does is tell me it is there.
[16:53] <murali> Please Help. When i try to type something, "*" comes automatically after the particular leter is visible continuously till i press Esc key.
[16:53] <Merbo> i still cant upgrade
[16:53] <Merbo> D:
[16:53] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: man i am an expert give me the output of iwconfig
[16:54] <Peace-> !paste | Derek_Roberts
[16:54] <james147> !details | Merbo
[16:54] <Peace-> james147: nice comand xD
[16:54] <Merbo> It "Can not calculate the upgrade"
[16:54] <Derek_Roberts> Peace for that it will take me a while as i am in Windows right now.
[16:54] <james147> Merbo: do you get any error? or just saying no updates avaible?
[16:54] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: use ethernet?
[16:55] <Merbo> An unresolvable problem occured while calculating the upgrade
[16:55] <Derek_Roberts> I will but i need to reboot so i will be right back.
[16:55] <Merbo> trying to upgrade to maverick 10.10 from lucid 10.04
[16:56] <murali> Please Help. When i try to type something, "*" comes automatically after the particular leter is visible continuously till i press Esc key.
[16:58] <Merbo> am i getting help or not?
[16:59] <Merbo> being unable to update is annoying
[16:59] <james147> Merbo: sorry, disconencted ^^ missed anything you said
[16:59] <Merbo> An unresolvable problem occured while calculating the upgrade
[16:59] <Merbo> trying to upgrade to maverick 10.10 from lucid 10.04
[16:59] <james147> Merbo: can you pastebin the output of "sudo do-release-upgrade"?
[17:00] <james147> !pastebin
[17:00] <Merbo> i cant use sudo do-release-upgrade
[17:00] <Merbo> i get "no updatess found"
[17:02] <james147> Merbo: and  lsb_release -a again :)
[17:02] <Derek_Roberts> Peace: this is from iwconfig lo        no wireless extensions.
[17:02] <Derek_Roberts> eth0      no wireless extensions.
[17:02] <Derek_Roberts> wlan0     IEEE 802.11bg  ESSID:off/any
[17:02] <Derek_Roberts>           Mode:Managed  Access Point: Not-Associated   Tx-Power=20 dBm
[17:02] <Derek_Roberts>           Retry  long limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
[17:02] <FloodBotK3> Derek_Roberts: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:02] <Derek_Roberts>           Power Management:off
[17:02] <Merbo> hold on, screenie of error coming
[17:03] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: you neeed paste bin...
[17:03] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: or you will be muted....
[17:03] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: automatically
[17:03] <Merbo> like that?
[17:03] <Merbo> :P
[17:03] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: anyway..  sudo iwlist wlan0 scan
[17:03] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: always in pastebin..
[17:03] <Peace-> !paste
[17:03] <Merbo> http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/5420/erroravm.png
[17:04] <Merbo> ^ what i need help with
[17:04] <james147> Merbo: whats the output of  lsb_release -a ?
[17:04] <Merbo> uhh
[17:04] <Merbo> hold up
[17:05] <Derek_Roberts> Peace: http://paste.ubuntu.com/556861/
[17:05] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: it's ok
[17:05] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: do the same with :   sudo iwlist wlan0 scan
[17:05] <Merbo> ubuntu 10.04.2 LTS codename lucid
[17:07] <Derek_Roberts> Peace: http://paste.ubuntu.com/556865/
[17:07] <Merbo> james147: ubuntu 10.04.2 LTS codename lucid
[17:07] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: lspci | grep -i Network
[17:08] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: do the dame
[17:08] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: do the same
[17:08] <murali> Please Help. When i try to type something, "*" comes automatically after the particular leter is visible continuously till i press Esc key.
[17:08] <james147> Merbo: try running "  lsb_release -a "
[17:09] <Merbo> james147: I did, what do you think that came from?
[17:09] <james147> Merbo: sory, copy paste fail : sudo dpkg --configure -a
[17:10] <Merbo> james147: Nothing happened. I'm on kubuntu, yet I'm getting Ubuntu errors.
[17:11] <james147> Merbo: the only difference between kubuntu and ubuntu is the desktop envroment
[17:11] <Merbo> KDE and Gnome, I know
[17:11] <james147> Merbo: ^^ so beyond that they are teh same... as such kubuntu idetifies its self as "ubuntu"
[17:12] <Merbo> james147: is sudo dpkg --configure -a supposed to do anything? nothing happens for me
[17:12] <james147> Merbo: no output usualy means sucess
[17:12] <Merbo> oh, ok
[17:12] <Derek_Roberts> Peace: http://paste.ubuntu.com/556872/
[17:13] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: quote well my name or  i don' t notice
[17:13] <Merbo> james147: so how do i fix Mr. Retarded Computer here?
[17:13] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: use tab to autocomplet
[17:13] <Derek_Roberts> Peace: sorry I got teenage drama taking place.
[17:13] <Merbo> im new to linux, windows user all the way
[17:13] <Merbo> I'm a C programmer though:D
[17:13] <Peace-> LOL
[17:14] <Derek_Roberts> "Peace" sorry i am kinda new to this IRC did tha help?
[17:14] <james147> Merbo: ^^ what does do-release-upgrade say now? still no upgrades?
[17:14] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: nope becasue it's the comand ... not the ooutput of the comand
[17:14] <Peace-> xD
[17:15] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: to autocomplete my name write pea  then press button TAB
[17:15] <Merbo> james147: something's happening, were on a roll.
[17:15] <Merbo> OMG
[17:15] <Merbo> error
[17:15] <Derek_Roberts> Peace-: oh like that
[17:16] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: ya
[17:16] <james147> Merbo: can you pastebin it
[17:16] <Derek_Roberts> Peace-: cool
[17:16] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: so now ....           lspci | grep -i Network
[17:16] <Peace-> the output...
[17:17] <james147> Merbo: did you add any ppas to your system?
[17:17] <Merbo> james147: WTF?
[17:18] <Derek_Roberts> Peace-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/556873/
[17:18] <james147> Merbo: did you add any extra repositories?
[17:18] <Merbo> uhh
[17:18] <Merbo> yes
[17:18] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: :) well well well atheros like mine
[17:18] <james147> Merbo: what?
[17:18] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: lsmod  | grep ath
[17:19] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: doesn't need paste for that
[17:19] <Merbo> james147: i lied. I did not add new repo's
[17:19] <james147> :p
[17:19] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: there is ath5k or ath9k ?
[17:19] <Peace-> i guess ath5k
[17:19] <Peace-> anyway
[17:19] <Derek_Roberts> Peace-: Please tell me you have a working answer. here it is http://paste.ubuntu.com/556874/
[17:20] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: of course i have
[17:20] <Derek_Roberts> Peace-: Sweet My Hero
[17:20] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: now sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
[17:20] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: now                     sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
[17:20] <Peace-> i mean xD without now
[17:21] <Derek_Roberts> Peace-: How do i test that one.
[17:21] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: what it say if you do        sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
[17:21] <Peace-> nothing
[17:21] <Peace-> ?
[17:22] <Derek_Roberts> Peace-: I got nothing.
[17:22] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: now i will explain
[17:22] <Derek_Roberts> Peace-: Ok
[17:22] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: the driver is ath5k
[17:22] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: the wifi card is called wlan0
[17:22] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: to see if the driver works
[17:22] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: sudo iwlist wlan0 scan
[17:23] <Derek_Roberts> Peace-: ok
[17:23] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: if nothing is showed with that command there is something of wrong
[17:23] <Peace-> sometime that dirver doesn't work well
[17:23] <Peace-> i mean you reboot and it works
[17:23] <Peace-> sometimes doesn't
[17:23] <Peace-> xD
[17:23] <Derek_Roberts> Peace-: i got no results.
[17:24] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: well i hope there is a wifi active on your area...
[17:24] <Derek_Roberts> Peace-: it works grate in windows
[17:24] <james147> Merbo: can you pastebin /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log
[17:25] <Derek_Roberts> Peace-: i do my home network but it is like my system hates linux...
[17:25] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: nope mann
[17:25] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: mm ahteros should work
[17:25] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: anyway...
[17:25] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: it'0s a laptop right ?
[17:26] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: there is a button on it ?
[17:26] <Peace-> to activate the wifi ?
[17:26] <Derek_Roberts> Peace-: yes a CQ50-110US
[17:26] <Peace-> toshiba?
[17:26] <Derek_Roberts> Peace-: compaq the light is on like it is working but it does not work.
[17:27] <Peace-> could you test this?
[17:27] <Peace-> sudo iwlist wlan0 scan
[17:27] <Peace-> with the light on
[17:27] <Peace-> and always the same command with light off
[17:27] <Peace-> do output change?
[17:28] <Derek_Roberts> Peace-: nope
[17:28] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: another thes
[17:28] <Peace-> test
[17:28] <Peace-> sudo rmmod ath5k && sudo modprobe ath5k
[17:28] <Peace-> then again
[17:28] <Peace-> sudo iwlist wlan0 scan
[17:29] <Merbo> james147: http://paste.ubuntu.com/556877/
[17:29] <Derek_Roberts> Peace-: that gave me nothing.
[17:29] <Peace-> btw i have removed the driver , i have loaded the driver then again run scanning
[17:29] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: it looks like the driver is not working
[17:30] <Peace-> mmm
[17:30] <Derek_Roberts> Peace-:  i can tell
[17:30] <james147> Merbo: hmm, try "sudo aptitutde install -f"
[17:30] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: i have the same device...
[17:30] <Peace-> :S
[17:30] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: another test
[17:30] <Merbo> james147: done
[17:31] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: rfkill list
[17:31] <james147> Merbo: and try do-rel.. again
[17:31] <Derek_Roberts> Peace-: i got 1: phy1: Wireless LAN
[17:31] <Derek_Roberts>         Soft blocked: no
[17:31] <Derek_Roberts>         Hard blocked: yes
[17:31] <Merbo> james147: same error, same place.
[17:32] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: we got the issue :D
[17:32] <Derek_Roberts> Peace-: Ok
[17:32] <murchadh> Hi all! One of my four desktops is now in Folder view and I can't get the menu to change it back to a desktop - the menu only allows me to change background. Am I missing something obvious. Any help appreciated.
[17:32] <james147> Merbo: ok, :) now remore kubuntu-desktop (sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop) and try do-rel agan
[17:32] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: just a second
[17:32] <james147> Merbo: (but dont reboot yet if it works)
[17:33] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: try this
[17:33] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: sudo rfkill unblock all && sudo iwlist wlan0 scan
[17:33] <Merbo> james147:same error.
[17:34] <Derek_Roberts> Peace-: i got wlan0     Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down
[17:34] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: now sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
[17:34] <Merbo> *HOWEVER* before that, i noticed it "Failed to read the mirror file". Could this be my reason?
[17:34] <james147> Merbo: can you pastebin the log again
[17:34] <Merbo> ^
[17:35] <Derek_Roberts> Peace-: oh no i got SIOCSIFFLAGS: Unknown error 132
[17:35] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: ok man you had the same issue
[17:35] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: your wifi will work xD
[17:35] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: i have my blog to help you
[17:35] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: read this
[17:35] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: and do the voltage reset
[17:35] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2009/05/06/kubuntu-904-atheros-communications-inc-ar242x-80211abg-wireless-pci-express-adapter-rev-01/
[17:36] <Merbo> james147: http://paste.ubuntu.com/556881/
[17:36] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: you could use madwifi
[17:36] <Derek_Roberts> Peace-: ok i will try. what worked for you.
[17:36] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: but you can use ath5k like driver some time you have to do the voltage reset... what can i say
[17:36] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: if you got isuee post a comment on the blog
[17:37] <Peace-> Derek_Roberts: i have to go now
[17:37] <Derek_Roberts> Peace-: cool me to thank here goes nothing.
[17:39] <Merbo> james147: http://paste.ubuntu.com/556881/
[17:39]  * james147 is looking..
[17:39] <Merbo> good
[17:40] <Merbo> :3
[17:40] <Merbo> it says it failed to read from the mirror
[17:40]  * james147 wonders if a reinstall would be quicker...
[17:40] <Merbo> then it aborted
[17:41] <james147> Merbo: hmm, try "dpkg --configure -a && sudo aptitude install -f" again then do-rel again
[17:42] <Merbo> i told it to select best mirror first
[17:45] <Merbo> james147: 50 Packages to be installed O.O
[17:45] <james147> :s only 50?
[17:45] <BluesKaj> Merbo, run sudo apt-get clean
[17:45] <james147> from which command?
[17:46] <Merbo> sudo apt-get clean didnt do anything
[17:46] <fibres> Evening all.
[17:46] <Merbo> hi
[17:46]  * james147 notes that 'dident do anything' and 'dident output anything' are two completely different things
[17:47] <Merbo> i am sorry, didnt DISPLAY anything.
[17:47] <fibres> I wonder if anyone could help. Im trying to install 10.10. Soon as the x server loads all I get on screen is millions of black and grey lines.
[17:47] <james147> fibres: what driver/graphics card?
[17:49] <fibres> Graphics card is a nvidia. I have not even been given option of selecting the drivers.
[17:50] <BluesKaj> fibres, how old is your pc ?
[17:50] <fibres> Im talking about when x loads on the install cd.
[17:50] <fibres> The pc is 2 years old ish. Its a intel quad core.
[17:51] <BluesKaj> maybe the burn was corrupted
[17:54] <fibres> Well I have now tried both the 32 and 64 bit versions of mythbuntu and now the 32 bit version of kubuntu and all do the same. Its really weird.
[17:58] <Peace-> fibres: could be a kernel panic
[17:58] <Peace-> fibres: as well as a bad iso image
[17:59] <Merbo> fixed it myself.
[17:59] <Merbo> thank yo
[17:59] <fibres> Well its weird. If I do a crtl-print scr-k the x server reboots, the screen goes blank for a few secs then it comes up same again. To me that says isnt a kernel panic.
[18:00] <james147> the open source nvidia drivers might not like your card ^^
[18:00] <Peace-> fibres: other distro have you tried?
[18:00] <Peace-> of course could be the open drivers
[18:01] <fibres> Peace-: I have had linuxmce which is based on ubunto 0810 I think working ok out of the box.
[18:01] <Peace-> fibres: just to know
[18:01] <Peace-> but you have installed the sytem on the hd?
[18:01] <Peace-> or
[18:01] <Peace-> you have just tried the livecd?
[18:06] <fibres> Peace-: I cant even get the cd to boot to the point of being able to install.
[18:06] <Peace-> fibres: ok it's  a driver issue
[18:06] <Peace-> fibres: did you tried alternate cd?
[18:06] <Peace-> !alternate
[18:07] <fibres> No I havent tried that yet. Ok ill give that a go. I have also downloaded 10.04 to see if that is any different
[18:07] <Peace-> fibres: guess is the drive man
[18:07] <Peace-> but i am not pretty sure
[18:07] <Peace-> if you believe it's only a driver issue but the kernel is running
[18:07] <Peace-> i will try to install with altenate cd
[18:08] <Peace-> but... afterthat you could get the same problem
[18:08] <Peace-> but using the recovery mode you could get the konsole at least
[18:08] <Peace-> and try to install another video driver...
[18:08] <fibres> I think its the driver or its sending out wrong resolution/refresh rate. Just dont know how to change. Ill try 10.04 see if that has any more luck.
[18:08] <Peace-> anyway it's a pain
[18:08] <fibres> Ok. I thought it would be pretty much plug and play. Never had issues with limux on this box before.
[18:08] <Peace-> fibres: if you can pick your old xorg.conf
[18:09] <fibres> Um not sure if I have that.
[18:09] <Peace-> fibres: locate xorg.conf
[18:09] <Peace-> on konsole
[18:09] <Peace-> should find out
[18:09] <Peace-> it
[18:09] <Peace-> xD
[18:10] <BluesKaj> fibres, or your cdrom isn't reading properly
[18:11] <Peace-> fibres: could be the iso image corrupted as well said from BluesKaj
[18:11] <Peace-> !md5
[18:12]  * james147 still thinks its a driver issue... he has seen similar things on some nvidia cards (mostly modile ones) with the new open drivers
[18:13]  * james147 and suggests trying to install the closed ones useing jockey-text or installing nvidia-current from the repos on a tty,
[18:13] <james147> ^^ (assuming you have a net connection)
[18:13] <Peace-> xD
[18:14] <james147> hmm... rekonq dosent want to close :S (reopens stright away)
[18:15] <james147> thats better :)
[18:15]  * Peace- use chromium but it's heavy
[18:15] <Peace-> james147: anyway... sudo apt-get install webkitkde
[18:15] <Peace-> and use konqueror xD
[18:16]  * james147 switches between chromium and rekonq... prefures the kde intergration of rekonq but the better stability/polish of chromium...
[18:16] <Peace-> james147: mmm have ytou a bug kde account?
[18:16]  * james147 dosnt like konqueror for some reason
[18:16]  * Peace- which one ?
[18:16] <Peace-> xD
[18:16] <james147> ^^ kill it and it seems to be working now :)
[18:19] <ubuntu_> hello i need a litlle of help here, i need to install kubuntu, but always i did the partition with gparted, now here in kubuntu i dont know wichk program use to make a good partition???
[18:20] <Peace-> ubuntu_: :)
[18:20] <Peace-> ubuntu_: sudo apt-get install partitionmanager
[18:20] <Peace-> .
[18:20]  * james147 notes that you can still use gparted ^^ but that partitionmanager looks nicer in kde :D
[18:21]  * Peace- james147 wt* gtk
[18:21] <ubuntu_> so then which is better gparetd o partiton magic?
[18:21]  * BluesKaj decides to take a break
[18:21] <james147> ubuntu_: partitionmanager ^^ is basically kdes version of gparted
[18:21] <ubuntu_> ohhh ill try it thanks
[18:21]  * james147 has never used partition magic...
[18:22] <Peace-> james147: xD
[18:24]  * Peace- note that partitionmanager is on system settings too
[18:24] <james147> ^^ assuming its been installed
[18:30]  * DarthFrog still has Partition Magic 1.0 from way back in his OS/2 days. :-)  Great program at the time.
[18:32]  * Peace- at the time ...
[18:32] <Peace-> xD
[19:09] <isaias> hi again, look in ubuntu and xubuntu i had the synaptic package manager, but here in kubuntu not, why?
[19:10] <lagerimsi> there is one in the system settings
[19:11] <isaias> which??
[19:11] <lagerimsi> under system administration
[19:12] <isaias> do you know the name?
[19:13] <DarthFrog> Package Manager
[19:13] <lagerimsi> :)
[19:14] <isaias> i got one called Kpackgekit, i dont think thats the one
[19:14] <DarthFrog> Or kpackagekit
[19:14] <DarthFrog> Yes it is.
[19:14] <DarthFrog> Package Manager is synaptic.
[19:15] <isaias> pkpackagekit looks different from synaptic
[19:16] <DarthFrog> synaptic is GNOME/Gtk, KPackageKit is KDE/Qt.
[19:17] <isaias> other question ive just installed kubuntu 10.10 but until now there is nor messahe about updates, why is that
[19:17] <isaias> ohhh
[19:17] <Peace-> isaias: on kde dock there is search
[19:17] <Peace-> search
[19:17] <Peace-> pack
[19:17] <isaias> i didnt know that about gtk and Qt
[19:18] <Peace-> isaias: well you have to go on kpackagekit check refresh
[19:18] <Peace-> and it should get the list of upgrades
[19:18] <isaias> o yes  KPackage is like synaptic i can see now
[19:18] <isaias> jejeje
[19:20] <isaias> thanks to all, if i have a question ill ask again thanks ;-))))
[19:38] <Derek_Roberts> Peace-: Hey
[19:39] <Derek_Roberts> I am needing help with my Ar5007 wifi card
[19:40] <Derek_Roberts> My computer recognizes it but it seems my driver is not working it is the ath5k driver.
[19:42] <Derek_Roberts> any ideas welcome i have tried almost everything
[20:09] <fibres> Can anyone tell me how to boot the recovery console and remoce the nvidia drivers?
[20:30] <el2ro> Hi, Is there some way to gain lost root access, when running from encrypted HD. I tried methods from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LostPassword but shift does  not bring up grup / any boot screen?
[20:31] <Guest384> Hello people. whether in kde 4.5.5 to put an animation or video on your desktop (like windows dreamscene)?
[20:31] <james147> el2ro: you have lost sudo access or access to your acount?
[20:32] <el2ro> james147: lost admin group from my account
[20:32] <james147> el2ro: well, if holding shift dosent work, try holding esc, or tapping it :)
[20:33] <DarthFrog> el2ro: Boot from a LiveCD and edit the groups file.
[20:33] <james147> el2ro: if all else fails, boot a livecd and edit... ^^ what DarthFrog said
[20:33] <DarthFrog> :-)
[20:33] <el2ro> ok, have to go with those.... thx
[20:51] <YuraDoc> Hello
[20:52] <YuraDoc> I had install kubuntu 10.10 on wmware player. I can't run desktop effects
[20:52] <YuraDoc> does anybody know why?
[20:53] <james147> ^^ that isn't surprising
[20:54] <YuraDoc> why?
[20:54] <Peace-> xD
[20:54] <YuraDoc> i had set checkbox to use 3d accelarator in wmware
[20:54] <Peace-> did you try to activate them ?
[20:54] <Peace-> anyway i have to go
[20:54] <james147> can vmware do direct rendering? ... i know virtualbox can
[20:55] <Peace-> james147: guess it can
[20:55] <Peace-> guess
[20:55] <Peace-> i never used
[20:55] <Peace-> night
[20:56] <YuraDoc> so it's not possible run effects through wmware?
[20:56] <james147> YuraDoc: might be.. dont know... never used it, you could try virtualbox, i know that works
[20:57] <YuraDoc> thanks
[20:58] <james147> ^^ but vms have never been that great for hardware acceleration
[20:59] <YuraDoc> ok, but i thought that wmware is the most cool for vitalization
[21:00] <james147> ^^ i like virtualbox better
[21:10] <YuraDoc> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1327208
[21:10] <YuraDoc> XRender option works
[21:10] <YuraDoc> but how i could turn it on
[21:10] <YuraDoc> ?
[21:18] <YuraDoc> I had change to Xrender and disable Vsync
[21:18] <YuraDoc> does abybody now what is vsync?
[21:19] <YuraDoc> it starts working in such config
[21:21] <Tm_T> vsync means that drawings are synced with display refresh rate (yes, patience is virtue)
[22:12] <chris_osx> hi ist there a kde app that is like picasa?
[22:13] <dereine> digikam?
[22:14] <james147> ^^ digikam... can even upload to the picasa site :)  though it dosent 'sync' with it
[22:15] <dereine> cool feature
[22:22] <chris_osx> thanks a lot guys
[22:40] <Snowhog> JontheEchidna: Thank you Jon. I doubt anyone has ever had a bug report replied to and fixed as quickly as you did.
[22:47] <renjithg> hai
[22:49] <suqa> Could somebody try to help me with some easy stuffs? Got to find out witch drivers who works and those who isn't.
[22:49] <yofel> drivers for what device?
[22:51] <suqa> All hardware in the computer.
[22:51] <james147> !details | suqa
[22:51] <suqa> Like windows "device manager".
[22:52] <james147> suqa: as far as I know there isent anything like that in linux... and its not as simple as that
[22:52] <james147> suqa: what exactly are you having problems with?
[22:54] <suqa> I installed ubuntu (assume that its almoust the same as kubuntu) at my acer aspire 1362LC. Averything is slow and I think that the chipset isn't working as it is meant to do.
[22:56] <g0th> hi
[22:56] <g0th> how can I set individual backgrounds for each desktop instead of one background for all desktops?
[22:56] <james147> suqa: you might want to ask in #ubuntu  ... and say exactly what problem you are having... what is slow? describe it if you can... I dont see why it would be driver releated
[22:56] <g0th> when I watch a flash movie with firefox, the following can happen: whenever I switch to a different desktop I see a frame of the mentioned flash movie for about 2 seconds then the normal desktop "image" comes...
[22:56] <g0th> (those are two separate questions)
[22:57] <james147> g0th: 1) System settings > Workspace behaviour > virtual desktop > Check "differnet widget for each desktop"
[22:58] <suqa> james147: Yes, but I've tried to ask there but there is so many people writing there so they wont notice my question.
[22:59] <g0th> ah thanks
[22:59] <g0th> you mean windows behaviour I guess but it worked :)
[23:00] <g0th> any idea for the second question?
[23:00] <james147> g0th: heh, no i meant workspace :) but i am on kde 4.6, might have changed
[23:01] <james147> g0th: not sure... cant seem to replicate it here (well, with rekonq, dont use firefox)
[23:01] <james147> g0th: can you see if it happens with other browsers
[23:02] <g0th> I dont think so, but it is like once every 50 times
[23:02] <g0th> I dont have a way of reproducing it
[23:03] <g0th> only by try and error
[23:03] <james147> g0th: you can also try changing the desktop switching animation
[23:03] <g0th> but it is very very annoying, each time I switch the desktop I first have to wait 2 seconds for the image to disapear
[23:03] <g0th> hmm good idea I try
[23:04] <g0th> yeah that worked :)
[23:04] <g0th> maybe it will fail again next time but it least it temporarly solves the issue
[23:05] <g0th> another question: when I press alt + tab it does not consistently run through the windows
[23:05] <g0th> when I keep alt pressed ofc it works
[23:05] <g0th> but if I press alt + tab, then again alt + tab etc
[23:05] <g0th> it does not go through everything
[23:06] <james147> g0th: holding alt+tab here cicles through the windows :S... as for missing windows, are the missing windows on a different desktop/screen?
[23:07] <g0th> did you try to press alt + tab, then stop then press alt + tab again etc?
[23:07] <g0th> instead of keeping the alt key pressed down
[23:07] <james147> g0th: o, that works as well
[23:07] <g0th> for me it just switches between two windows
[23:08] <g0th> if I have more than two windows it doesnt work
[23:08] <james147> g0th: ahh, press alt+tab, then let go of tab and press tab again while still holding alt
[23:09] <g0th> yeah that works properly
[23:09] <g0th> but if I let alt go then it doesnt for me
[23:09] <james147> ^^ or it seems to work the way you want if you change the sortorder to "stacking order" rather then "recently used"
[23:10] <g0th> ahh :)
[23:10] <g0th> I try to check where this settings is
[23:10] <g0th> it seems exactly like what I want (stacking order)
[23:10] <james147> on kde 4.6 its at system settings> window behaviour > task switcher
[23:12] <james147> g0th: ^^ from that window you can also chose to filter windows to "Current screen", "Current Desktop" ... etc
[23:12] <g0th> yes, thanks alot
[23:12] <g0th> :)
[23:27] <Derek_Roberts> Help with ar5007 wifi card please.
[23:34] <Derek_Roberts> Is there any Atheros wifi users in here.
[23:35] <james147> !ask | Derek_Roberts
[23:36] <Derek_Roberts> My problem is that my ar5007 card is registering as an ar5001 card in ubuntu. I believe that my driver is not working and i need to either reinstall or update. The driver is ath5k.\
[23:39] <Derek_Roberts> My computer is a Compaq CQ50-110US
[23:56] <JontheEchidna> Snowhog: I beat my record of 1.5 hours with kde bug 259026 :P
[23:56] <JontheEchidna> *2 hours, yours was 1.5
[23:57] <JontheEchidna> it was a pretty obvious/small mistake, once I saw where the crash was happening. a lot of it had to do with it being the weekends, and me being home at the time
[23:57] <Snowhog> JontheEchidna: :) I am greatly impressed. I already know your dedication to Muon, and to those who use it. I'm looking forward to when the updated package comes in.
[23:58] <JontheEchidna> I plan on doing monthly bugfix releases for 1.1
[23:59] <JontheEchidna> btw, I would be curious as to the output of "apt-cache show linux-headers-2.6.35-25-generic"
[23:59] <JontheEchidna> for curiosity's sake. dunno why it doesn't have a "supported" field showing how long the support period is


[00:06] <knome> Gurkenglas, it looks like you are running out of space
[00:07] <Gurkenglas> knome, what space? hard drive disc space? ram?
[00:07] <knome> Gurkenglas, if you actually looked at the output, you might learn something
[00:08] <knome> Gurkenglas, "cannot create file ... no space left on device"
[00:08] <knome> what do you think that refers to?
[00:08] <Gurkenglas> a device that does not have enough free bytes
[00:08] <Gurkenglas> which could be memory or disc space
[00:09] <Gurkenglas> but the way youre asking the question suggests disc space
[00:09] <knome> are *files* created on ram?
[00:09] <Gurkenglas> Okay, so you can't create files in ram. Got it.
[00:09] <knome> you're doing other silly things in the output you are showing us as well
[00:09] <knome> what exactly are you even trying to achieve?
[00:10] <Gurkenglas> Building ghc
[00:10] <knome> why?
[00:10] <Gurkenglas> ultimately to get a Haskell IDE
[00:10] <knome> is there any reason why you don't use the ghc package from the repositories?
[00:11] <Gurkenglas> apt-get install ghc? That's iirc from iirc a few hours ago 7.6.3, the current version is 7.10.2
[00:12] <knome> i repeat: is there any reason why you need something else than what is in the repositories?
[00:12] <knome> and if you are running 14.04, your OS is a few years old too.
[00:13] <knome> apparently wily has 7.8-series if that makes a difference
[00:13] <Gurkenglas> I asked for a distribution that wouldn't lag in a vm and was recommended xubuntu, the latest version of it is iirc 14.04
[00:13] <bazhang> 15.04
[00:13] <bazhang> and 15.10 is around the corner
[00:14] <knome> Gurkenglas, do you know anything about compiling packages or are you just stabbing in the dark?
[00:16] <knome> *compiling software
[00:16] <Gurkenglas> Are the repositories what apt-get install accesses? If so, 7.6.3 misses language features used by a project I'm helping develop in Haskell. ghc-mod wouldn't install on windows due to a dependency, so i dusted off VirtualBox. I mostly don't know anything about compiling packages, but someone on another irc channel said to compile it myself, who is since gone
[00:16] <knome> that's what it looks like to me
[00:17] <knome> i would suggest using a PPA instead of compiling stuff yourself if you really need an updated version
[00:17] <knome> i just checked that there is a PPA with a newer version...
[00:18] <Gurkenglas> PPA? Do you guess that googling would lead me to my goal here?
[00:18] <knome> !ppa | Gurkenglas, but you should know this before you dive into PPAs
[00:18] <knome> Gurkenglas, totally.
[00:20] <knome> and to be exact, even the haskell site suggests the same PPA on the downloads for linux page
[00:21] <knome> Gurkenglas, one more friendly advice: please even try to understand what you are doing before you do something - stop to think, stop to READ - and you'll get much farther
[00:30] <PhilGEE> libpcslite1
[07:25] <jujun> Hello! Can sb help me? I've just installed Xubuntu 14.04.3 LTS. Unfortunately I ticked automatic login when installing. How to change it in order to log in manually?
[07:25] <jujun> newbie here
[07:29] <flocculant> jujun: open a terminal and run this please   cat /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf | pastebinit
[07:29] <flocculant> then give the url you get, should be that file doing it - but things change
[07:30] <jujun> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12712637/
[07:31] <flocculant> sudo nano /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[07:31] <flocculant> put a # in front of every line
[07:32] <flocculant> then ctrl +x , y, enter
[07:32] <jujun> like this? #autologin-guest=false
[07:33] <flocculant> yep
[07:33] <flocculant> you can run the pastebinit command after you've finished if you want me to check
[07:35] <jujun> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12712661/
[07:35] <flocculant> yep - should be fine then :)
[07:36] <jujun> so I'm going to reboot the system now to check if it works ;)
[07:36] <jujun> brb
[07:42] <jujun> Everything is allright now!
[07:42] <jujun> Thank you for your help ;)
[07:42] <flocculant> thought it would be :)
[07:44] <jujun> see you later, guys ;)
[07:44] <flocculant> cya
[16:10] <xubuntu40w> Hey there!  just up'ed to 15.04 and an seeing my "Desktop" settings pane freeze consistently
[16:10] <xubuntu40w> anyone up to help diagnose?/
[16:56] <xubuntu056> hello
[16:57] <xubuntu056> i try install ia32-libs on xubuntu 14.02 but i cannot install it
[16:57] <xubuntu056> very problems and errors
[16:58] <xubuntu056> i working in amd64 and this librery is need for run maple 13
[17:00] <flocculant> ia32-libs is not available for anything after 12.04 now
[17:00] <xubuntu056> whats is the solution?
[17:00] <xubuntu056> thanks for write
[17:00] <flocculant> what is maple13?
[17:01] <xubuntu056> is a scientific software of mathematical manipulation
[17:02] <xubuntu056> this library is needed for skype  to
[17:02] <flocculant> but you must be getting it from somewhere - it's not available in the repo's
[17:02] <mrkramps> xubuntu056, actually there should be an install script vor Maple 2013 for 64-bit systems
[17:02] <bazhang> !info skype partner
[17:03] <bazhang> enable the partner repos
[17:03] <flocculant> looks like for skype you enable the architecture
[17:03] <xubuntu056> ok
[17:04] <xubuntu056> in wich version of ubuntu this library is available?
[17:05] <xubuntu056> or wich flavor?
[17:06] <flocculant> 12.04 Ubuntu I guess - probably Kubuntu, not sure any other flavours are supporting that now
[17:07] <xubuntu056> very thanks
[17:21] <xubuntu59i> i need help
[17:21] <xubuntu59i> help me, please
[17:23] <flocculant> !ask | xubuntu59i
[17:26] <xubuntu59i> I can not get rid of tearing . Graphics card Nvidia 820m. Xubuntu 15.10. Probyval more , nothing helped .
[17:38] <flocculant> mmm - installed the nvidia driver or using nouveau?
[17:39] <flocculant> don't think you're the only one with issues with nvidia in wily
[17:40] <morf> rofl
[17:40] <morf> indeed
[17:40] <morf> nvidia makes lot of my days
[17:40] <morf> for example i can't freaking rotate my monitor
[17:40] <morf> nouveau no problem
[17:40] <morf> damn he leaved
[17:41] <morf> i could tell him about the tearing
[18:02] <xubuntu23w> hey guys, short question: in power manager settings, I can chose values for display sleep and display switch off. I tested them and cannot make out any difference between both modes. so, what is the difference then?
[19:03] <qknight> hey. installing libsdl1.2-dev on xubuntu 14.04 was no problem while ubuntu 14.04 had unment dependencies
[19:04] <qknight> anyone an idea why? my ubuntu 14.04 seems to be broken when using it for software development as some things just can't be installed because of unment dependencies
[19:04] <qknight> but i would like to understand why as i always thought ubuntu and xubuntu is pretty much the same distribution, except the windowmanager
[19:07] <flocculant> I'd double check the repos in Ubuntu then
[19:13] <Pici> qknight: what sort of dependency issues?
[19:14] <qknight> Pici: http://blog.lastlog.de/posts/ubuntu-14.04-apt_problems/ <- this is a posting i wrote some time back
[19:14] <qknight> Pici: it is exactly what i'm talking about
[19:16] <Pici> qknight: hm.. I was hoping it was python related because there is an outstanding issue out there that just came up the other day whose workaround I'm aware of.
[19:17] <flocculant> Pici: that allows things to install in xubuntu but not ubuntu?
[19:18] <Pici> flocculant: no, it has to do with an update that was deleted, so that different installs might see different things depending on if they had grabbed the update while it was available.
[19:18] <Pici> bug 1500768 ftr
[19:18] <flocculant> aah right - that'd be a pain
[19:19] <flocculant> qknight: if it installs ok in xubuntu - and I asssume you've still got the packages in the apt cache - maybe copy everything to the ubuntu one
[19:20] <flocculant> just seems rather odd if everything is equal
[19:20] <Pici> agreed.
[19:27] <qknight> flocculant: i didn't chekc it is the same or equal. i just supposed so
[19:27] <qknight> flocculant: in both cases i installed from an iso image so it keeps me wondering why ubuntu fails and xubuntu works...
[19:28] <qknight> xubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso vs ubuntu-14.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso
[19:28] <qknight> IIRC
[19:28] <flocculant> qknight: just a sec - booting our's in a vm
[19:38] <flocculant> grabbed the ubuntu iso too - installing that
[19:52] <flocculant> qknight: ok - so installed both ubuntu and xubuntu - (currently both are at 14.04.3) package is available in both, installing in both
[19:52] <flocculant> qknight: you got any ppa's in ubuntu that might be causing a problem?
[19:52] <qknight> flocculant: that is good news. so maybe it is 14.04(missing number) related
[19:53] <flocculant> could be - though generally if you had 14.04 and upgraded when required you would have 14.04.3
[19:58] <qknight> flocculant: you know what, i will just redownload 14.04.3 (as you did) and replace my template VM with that
[19:58] <qknight> flocculant: thanks for pointing out that it works for you
[19:58] <flocculant> welcome
[20:19] <xubuntu76w> hey guys, quick question.. if I install the beta 2 will I be able to just apt-get update/upgrade to the final release? -_^
[20:19] <flocculant> yes
[20:19] <flocculant> but that's rather pointless
[20:19] <flocculant> just grab the daily and it will already have the updates ...
[20:20] <xubuntu76w> flocculant: what I mean is that I'm going to do a full install and I don't want to do another when the final release arrives =D
[20:20] <flocculant> you can get that from http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/340/builds - you can also post the results of installing it :)
[20:20] <xubuntu76w> flocculant: thanks for the help :D
[20:20] <flocculant> xubuntu76w: even so - all that b2 is a point milestone
[20:20] <flocculant> pointless now - we're well past that
[20:21] <flocculant> once you've installed - update it and yes you'll have the final
[20:21] <flocculant> if you wait till midweek next week - we'll be into RC freeze
[20:22] <xubuntu76w> flocculant: nice, thanks man!
[20:23] <flocculant> please report though - we don't get much in the way of reports - so conseqently we don't hear about issues people have
[20:23] <flocculant> it really is quite important to us :)
[20:23] <xubuntu76w> will do!
[20:24] <flocculant> excellent :)
[21:19] <kozukumi> hello
[21:19] <kozukumi> i have just installed xubuntu and i am trying to install the intel graphics driver
[21:19] <kozukumi> but as i am using 15.04 beta it is saying distro not supported :(
[21:19] <kozukumi> is there a way to manually install?
[21:20] <flocculant> you're using which version?
[21:20] <kozukumi> version of what? the intel driver?
[21:20] <flocculant> xubuntu
[21:21] <kozukumi> sorry 15.10
[21:21] <kozukumi> i was using 15.04 but decided to give the beta a try
[21:21] <flocculant> just thought I would make sure ...
[21:21] <kozukumi> :)
[21:21] <flocculant> well
[21:22] <flocculant> if you can get the actual intel version - I'll see if I can find something
[21:22] <kozukumi> thank you
[21:22] <flocculant> inxi -G |pastebinit
[21:22] <flocculant> (I think ... )
[21:23] <flocculant> if I can't help - then at least others won't need to ask
[21:23] <kozukumi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12718704/
[21:30] <kozukumi> i would be so happy to get it working with the intel driver :)
[21:30] <kozukumi> as i have everything working so well otherwise, it is amazing
[21:31] <flocculant> kozukumi: hang on - where does it say 'distro not supported' ?
[21:32] <kozukumi> flocculant, when i tried using the intel graphical installer
[21:32] <flocculant> kozukumi: ok - so settings > additional drivers, what's in there?
[21:33] <kozukumi> nothing, just an intel cpu microcode driver, which i have enabled
[21:33] <flocculant> ok - so currently no driver available there for your card
[21:33] <kozukumi> damn
[21:34] <kozukumi> ok i will go back to 15.04 which should have the driver i hope?
[21:34] <flocculant> and what is it like with whatever it boots with by default?
[21:34] <kozukumi> it works at proper res but i dont get hw acceleration in firefox which is annoying
[21:35] <flocculant> aah ok
[21:35] <flocculant> kozukumi: try #ubuntu+1
[21:35] <kozukumi> i want to switch away from windows you see
[21:35] <flocculant> we try to do xubuntu dev in here once we're into beta's - but that channel is a dev version generic one
[21:36] <kozukumi> ok thanks :)
[21:36] <kozukumi> and thanks for you looking into it for me!
[21:37] <flocculant> you're welcome
[21:37] <kozukumi> i will install 15.04 now and pop back when i am done :)
[21:37] <kozukumi> ciao!
[22:21] <kozukumi> all fixed in 15.04 :)
[22:22] <kozukumi> is there a simple way to make the window edges hitbox bigger for resize controls?
[22:23] <knome> kozukumi, http://xubuntu.org/news/window-resizing-in-xubuntu-and-xfce/
[22:25] <kozukumi> hmm
[22:25] <kozukumi> not the kind of answer i was hoping for
[22:25] <knome> none of the five answers?
[22:25] <mrkramps> kozukumi, you may also try a different theme for the window manager
[22:26] <kozukumi> good place to look for themes?
[22:26] <knome> kozukumi, maybe you need to send a patch then...
[22:26] <kozukumi> knome, if I am ever able to I will :)
[22:26] <mrkramps> kozukumi, best place to look for themes is the official package repository
[22:26] <kozukumi> thank you
[22:27] <mrkramps> kozukumi, try the package "xfwm4-themes"
[22:27] <knome> some themes are preinstalled so you can try if they work better for you
[22:29] <flocculant> kozukumi: this was shown to me shortly after you left http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/09/intel-graphics-installer-for-linux-adds-support-for-ubuntu-15-04 - comments there make it plain this doesn't work in 15.10 yet
[22:29] <mrkramps> eventually, you can also edit the default greybird theme to increase the bottom edge of the window border
[22:29] <kozukumi> thank you flocculant :)
[22:30] <kozukumi> mrkramps, "eventually" as in not today? :)
[22:30] <flocculant> frankly I find alt + mouse key easier than trying to grab any edge - which will cheer knome up :)
[22:30] <mrkramps> "eventually" as in "if everything else fails"
[22:30] <knome> hooray
[22:30] <knome> kozukumi, you can do it now if you have the skills
[22:32] <mrkramps> which btw. is the completely wrong meaning of this word, but well …
[22:34] <kozukumi> thanks all!