[11:29] <jondowd> Hello, I've overlooked something simple or missed a step. When I reload apache2 I get a '[warn]  NameVirtualHost jondowd.com:0 has no VirtualHosts' error.


[02:07] <justicefries> o/
[03:49] <babou> hi, has anyone seen an issue where juju just entirely refuses to work?
[03:50] <babou> as in, I type "juju status" and it just hangs
[03:50] <babou> i am running ubuntu 16, I have restarted my computer, I have reinstalled juju
[03:51] <babou> i had been using it successfully to follow tutorials, but it has since stopped working
[03:51] <blahdeblah> babou: There are a few bugs around which cause jujuds to become very busy; restarting jujud-machine-0 should sort them out
[03:51] <blahdeblah> ^ That's for juju 1.x; for 2.x it might be called something slightly different
[03:52] <babou> i'm running 2.0.2
[03:53] <blahdeblah> It will be called something similar (maybe the same); ssh directly to your juju controller and systemctl restart 'juju*'
[03:53] <babou> i'm running locally with lxd
[03:55] <babou> in that case I would enter that command on my local machine, right?
[03:56] <blahdeblah> babou: Within your lxd container
[03:56] <babou> aah
[03:57] <blahdeblah> babou: This could be something different as well, like your networking not set up quite right or something.
[04:02] <babou> that doesn't seem to have worked
[04:02] <babou> tried what you said and tried restarting the container externally
[04:02] <babou> i can use a cloud container though, so I will just use that for now
[04:03] <blahdeblah> babou: It could easily be something else then
[04:03] <babou> any other ideas?
[04:03] <blahdeblah> have a look in ~/.local/share/juju
[04:04] <blahdeblah> there's a file called controllers.yaml
[04:04] <blahdeblah> find your controller, and there should be a line in its section like this: api-endpoints: ['<IP_ADDRESS>:17070']
[04:04] <blahdeblah> check that you can "nc -vz <IP_ADDRESS> 17070"
[04:05] <babou> i have no fille called controllers.yaml
[04:05] <blahdeblah> hmmm
[04:06] <blahdeblah> what does "juju list-controllers" say?
[04:06] <babou> wait yes i do
[04:06] <blahdeblah> phew
[04:08] <babou> i found the line and tried this command
[04:08] <babou> nc -vz <IP_ADDRESS>:17070
[04:08] <babou> but it just printed the help message
[04:24] <blahdeblah> babou: no colon between IP & port
[04:24] <babou> nc: connect to <IP_ADDRESS> port 17070 (tcp) failed: No route to host
[04:25] <blahdeblah> babou: Sounds like network setup then
[04:34] <babou> ok thank you for your help
[07:51] <kjackal> Good morning Juju world
[09:25] <mattyw> morning folks, reading through the docs on constraints (https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/charms-constraints) was wondering if it was possible to specify a constraint in a file ahead of time, so for example, all controllers bootstrapped on the given cloud will have that constraint?
[13:35] <holocron> mattyw: did you read this here? https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/charms-constraints#using-constraints-when-creating-a-controller
[13:43] <mattyw> holocron, I did thanks, I was hoping to have a file somewhere so I could not have to remember to do it on bootstrap
[13:47] <holocron> Matty I see.. you want to do it post bootstrap. That I'm not sure about
[13:48] <holocron> Ah, you want to apply it to all controllers. Now I got it
[13:51] <mattyw> holocron, the other way around, I want it to happen to all future bootstraps
[13:51] <mattyw> holocron, all future bootstraps for a given cloud anyway
[13:51] <mattyw> holocron, if for example I'm too cheap to want to use m3.medium for all my instances
[13:52] <mattyw> holocron, but I'm also too lazy to remember how cheap I am
[13:55] <holocron> I see.. sorry I don't know of a way. All my juju use cases are local LXD or manual
[13:57] <rick_h> mattyw: alias cheapbootstrap=juju bootstrap --constraints... ? :P
[13:57] <rick_h> mattyw: no, there's no "constraints via file" currently.
[14:56] <rts-sander> help I do "juju deploy mysql" but it says connection refused
[14:58] <magicaltrout> what says connection refused rts-sander ?
[15:05] <Merlijn_S> Hi @kjackal
[15:05] <kjackal> Merlijn_S: Hello!
[15:06] <kjackal> Merlijn_S: How can I help?
[15:06] <Merlijn_S> I'm working on a setup for a spark course. ~20 teams of students, each get their own jupyter notebook with pyspark integration that's connected to a shared spark-on-yarn + hdfs cluster
[15:07] <kjackal> Merlijn_S: sounds nice!
[15:07] <Merlijn_S> now the issue is that while a sparkcontext is active, it is a running job in yarn. This means that it blocks resources, even though nothing is running.
[15:07] <Merlijn_S> ~20 teams means ~20 spark contexts
[15:09] <kjackal> yes, true. Is there any parameter we can play with, let me see if I find something.
[15:09] <Merlijn_S> each sparkcontext has its own yarn job that marks a certain amount of resources as "used", so the cluster runs out of resources.
[15:09] <rts-sander> magicaltrout, https://justpaste.it/12280
[15:10] <rts-sander> I guess I could download the charm and then deploy it from local
[15:10] <magicaltrout> rts-sander: looks like the server you're trying to run it on is behind a firewall
[15:10] <magicaltrout> or missing a route to the interwebs
[15:10] <rts-sander> juju version 1.25.6-xenial-amd64
[15:11] <Merlijn_S> I'm also not sure how the yarn resources work exactly. Does each "application container" get a fixed amount of resources or does this depend on the job itself?
[15:11] <magicaltrout> what you doing running 1.25 anyway ?! :P
[15:11] <rts-sander> because we were going to use it in production before 2.0 was out of beta
[15:11] <rts-sander> but now we switched to 2.0 but I'm too lazy to upgrade
[15:11] <magicaltrout> hehe
[15:11] <magicaltrout> well
[15:12] <magicaltrout> if I go to the url in your error in my browser
[15:12] <magicaltrout> it downloads the charm
[15:12] <magicaltrout> so i guess its connectivity of some sort
[15:12] <rick_h> rts-sander: magicaltrout exactly
[15:12] <rts-sander> same here
[15:12] <rts-sander> mysql.zip
[15:12] <rick_h> rts-sander: it looks like you can't reach the api.jujucharms.com to get the zip of the charm from the store
[15:12] <rick_h> rts-sander: so the only thing to do is to get the charms locally and deploy that way if you can't augment the connectivity
[15:13] <rts-sander> I can wget it
[15:13] <rick_h> rts-sander: there's a download link here: https://jujucharms.com/mysql/ on the right side to get the zip
[15:13] <rick_h> rts-sander: right, but can where the controller lives get to it?
[15:13]  * rick_h goes back to read where the juju controller is sitting (local or on an openstack or?)
[15:13] <rts-sander> it's a local deployment
[15:14] <rick_h> rts-sander: hmm, so is lxc setup with a bridge where it can reach the internet through your computer then?
[15:14] <rts-sander> yes
[15:14]  * rick_h thought we set that up in 1.25
[15:14] <rick_h> rts-sander: maybe an intermittent issue? did you try more than once and get it?
[15:14] <rts-sander> I tried multiple times
[15:14] <rts-sander> when I first installed it I could get charms through it
[15:15] <rts-sander> I'll deploy from local, it will take less time than trying to figure this out
[15:15] <rick_h> rts-sander: hmm, that sounds like something intermittent then perhaps. I guess can you try now? If you can wget the file and lxc is setup to work.
[15:23] <kjackal> Merlijn_S: this looks like a good description of YARN esource amangement: https://www.cloudera.com/documentation/enterprise/5-3-x/topics/cdh_ig_yarn_tuning.html
[15:25] <kjackal> Merlijn_S: And this is how you set the cores and mem from spark https://www.mapr.com/blog/resource-allocation-configuration-spark-yarn
[15:28] <kjackal> Merlijn_S: If I understand your request correctly you need to either overcommit resources so that the utilisation increases or do some kind dynamic allocation/resource preemption
[15:31] <Merlijn_S> kjackal: We're running the slaves inside LXD containers; running multiple slaves in multiple lxd containers solves the issue by overcommitment, but I worry that when they start to run real queries everything will bork...
[15:45] <Merlijn_S> kjackal: So if I understand correctly, It's indeed spark that decides what the size of the container is. The size of the container is the same no matter how much is actually used in the jobs.
[15:46] <Merlijn_S> kjackal: So ideally, I find a way to make the sizes of these containers dynamic depending on what actual jobs are running. If that doesn't work then I'll just have to find a way to make the spark containers smaller.
[15:48] <kjackal> Merlijn_S: give me some time. In a meeting
[15:48] <Merlijn_S> kjackal: Related: How do the bigtop charms calculate what the "total memory" of a machine is?
[15:48] <Merlijn_S> kjackal: aight :)
[16:11] <petevg> cory_fu: I updated https://github.com/juju-solutions/matrix/pull/63/files, with code that catches the TestFailure in a slightly bettter place. (Also set the exit code to 1 if we have a generic uncaught Exception.)
[16:11] <kjackal> Merlijn_S: I am back. Not sure how bigtop queries for the available memory. I will have to look at the code, If you want me to.
[16:11] <cory_fu> petevg: Excellent
[16:14] <kjackal> Merlijn_S: I would start with the configuration of spark. Like spark.executor.cores as described here: http://spark.apache.org/docs/1.6.1/configuration.html
[16:14] <kjackal> Merlijn_S: with --conf you are able to set the config variables: in spark-submit
[16:16] <Merlijn_S> kjackal: I'm using pyspark; any idea how those config values translate to that?
[16:16] <kjackal> Merlijn_S: I see there is a SPARK_CONFIGURATION variable in jupiter configuration (never used that)
[16:18] <kjackal> Merlijn_S: are you using this pyspark? http://spark.apache.org/docs/latest/api/python/pyspark.html#pyspark.SparkConf
[16:19] <Merlijn_S> kjackal: I'm using findspark: https://github.com/minrk/findspark
[16:20] <kjackal> nice
[16:21] <Merlijn_S> kjackal: so that translates to: http://spark.apache.org/docs/latest/api/python/pyspark.html#pyspark.SparkContext
[16:21] <kjackal> Seems so
[16:21] <kjackal> Merlijn_S: and you can set the configuration there
[16:27] <Merlijn_S> kjackal: k, thx, I'll take a look at that.
[16:30] <Merlijn_S> kjackal: I'm also interested in the bigtop available memory logic. Currently, it only uses 2/3 of the real memory on the machines.
[16:31] <Merlijn_S> kjackal: and it differs a lot between machines that have the same hardware.
[16:32] <Merlijn_S> kjackal: scrap that, it's the same; it's 2/3 of the total memory of each machine.
[16:42] <Merlijn_S> kjackal: ever heard of 'dynamic resource allocation' of spark contexts? That might be what I'm looking for: https://spark.apache.org/docs/latest/job-scheduling.html#dynamic-resource-allocation
[16:55] <kwmonroe> Merlijn_S: dyn res allocation won't be easy.  it looks like it requries a jar + yarn-site.xml config changes to all nodemanagers, and we're currently not exposing those config options :/
[17:03] <kwmonroe> Merlijn_S: sorry i'm playing catch-up here.. but you also said "now the issue is that while a sparkcontext is active, it is a running job in yarn".  are you in yarn-client mode?  if so, the driver (which instantiates a sparkcontext) does not run on the yarn cluster.  it runs whereever you start the spark application.
[17:04] <kwmonroe> Merlijn_S: if you're in yarn-cluster mode, of course, the driver will indeed take one of your yarn nodemanagers to do its thing.
[17:22] <petevg> cory_fu: pushed one more update to that gating PR (I wrote some better .matrix tests, and found out that we couldn't turn off gating -- the update contains the fix + the tests.)
[17:25] <petevg>  cory_fu: I kind of want to integrate those .matrix tests into tox, but your clever method of running main only works once -- the second time we try to do it, we've already set a bus and done other globally relevant stuff to matrix, so it doesn't work. I'm kind of tempted to write a script that sniffs out .matrix files in the test dir, and runs them via
[17:25] <petevg> Python subprocess, checking for a 0 or non zero exit code. Don't want that to delay the gating stuff, though. Will open a ticket ...
[17:28] <cory_fu> petevg: Couldn't you just add them as additional test plans in the existing functional test?
[17:29] <petevg> cory_fu: they have to be completely separate matrix runs.
[17:29] <cory_fu> petevg: Oh
[17:42] <Merlijn_S> kwmonroe: sorry, was out to get food. I'm talking about the sparkcontext itself, not the driver. The sparkcontext itself takes up space while it is alive. So every interactive spark session blocks unused resources.
[17:45] <Merlijn_S> kwmonroe: So basically, a multi-tenant interactive spark cluster is more or less a no-go without dyn res allocation..
[17:51] <larrymi_afk> I'm trying to remove a relation to re-add it and juju remove-relation seems to work but when I do juju add-relation .. it keep saying relationship exist. Is there a way to force break the relation?
[17:54]  * larrymi tries juju destroy-relation
[17:57] <larrymi> hmm.. destroy-relation doesn't work either
[18:00] <lazyPower> larrymi - is the unit halted in a hook context after removing the relation?
[18:00] <lazyPower> as in, debug-hooks or some such
[18:03] <larrymi> lazyPower: ah yes I see a config-changed hook failure
[18:04] <larrymi> lazyPower: not on the unit itself but on the other endpoint
[18:06] <lazyPower> yeah, that will halt the removal of the relationship in the controller
[18:06] <larrymi> lazyPower: ah but that's not from the removal .. that was there before
[18:06] <lazyPower> so  its in progress but not completed, and its right its been removed but "isnt really removed"
[18:06] <lazyPower> yep
[18:06] <lazyPower> its in queue
[18:06] <lazyPower> if you resolve that failure and step that remote unit through, it should hit the -departed and -broken hooks and clear itself up
[18:06] <larrymi> lazyPower: right
[18:07] <larrymi> lazyPower: ah that makes sense. Thanks! :-) I'll give that a try.
[18:57] <marcoceppi> rick_h: SHOWTIME?
[18:57] <arosales> rick_h: got a link to the show ?
[18:58] <marcoceppi> accidental caps
[18:58] <rick_h> marcoceppi: arosales working on it
[18:59] <rick_h> hmm, won't let me check the "hangouts on air" button :/
[19:02] <rick_h> marcoceppi: arosales https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/ytl/VusL3EZZPRDpX4QUibgOwiPCpKQKzhydHyEehU55OXw=?eid=103184405956510785630&hl=en_US&authuser=0
[19:02] <rick_h> to join the hangout
[19:02] <rick_h> had to create a new one :(
[19:02] <rick_h> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n86tRu4xpYU to watch
[19:04] <arosales> rick_h: thanks, omw
[19:04] <rick_h> anyone else coming? jcastro
[19:04] <rick_h> natefinch: or redir or anyone want to join feel free
[19:06] <CoderEurope> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfBnrLvDFy8     The Juju Show #3     |    Last streamed live on 5 Oct 2016
[19:06] <CoderEurope> cfgmgmt session
[19:09] <CoderEurope> Why aren't we showing this today ?
[19:09] <rick_h> arosales: coming or should we go on?
[19:09] <rick_h> CoderEurope: things and stuff, have to watch! :P
[19:10] <CoderEurope> rick_h: I have been waiting 3 days for this show = Is it happening, or not ?
[19:10] <rick_h> CoderEurope: yes, we were waiting for arosales
[19:10] <rick_h> but he's gone awol so we're going on now
[19:11] <marcoceppi> CoderEurope: the link to watch is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n86tRu4xpYU
[19:11] <CoderEurope> okay - I shall await ....
[19:11] <natefinch> rick_h: I have a fix for the lxd thing, so i'll be making a test and committing it.  have fun, though!
[19:12] <arosales> rick_h: please start without me
[19:14] <marcoceppi> https://github.com/juju/python-libjuju
[19:17] <bdx_> rick_h: I neglected to see the examples directory in libjuju
[19:17] <lazyPower> is that a community member that just joined?! hype!
[19:18] <bdx_> there are a bunch of examples that I seemed to of missed, but it was a good learning experience none the less
[19:19] <lazyPower> rick_h  is it unfiled if we just discovered it today? :)
[19:19] <skay> hehe
[19:20] <CoderEurope> QUESTION: First of all thankyou for the video \o/ - they're fabulous for the community ! 2ndly, @Discourse juju charm (Modern Forum Type) is really needed for the lug I am involved with - What are the chances ?
[19:21] <lazyPower> oooo its mreed hype
[19:21] <lazyPower> CoderEurope - we had a very old discourse charm, however we're interested if there's a community member thats interested in maintaining the discouse charm
[19:21] <arosales> CoderEurope: there is a community developed Discourse charm @ https://jujucharms.com/u/marcoceppi/discourse/precise/27
[19:21] <bdx_> thejujushow: the libjuju work I've been cutting has already made it into my jenkins post build step .... I'm simply using it to run actions on my juju deployed applications following successful build step completion
[19:23] <CoderEurope> lazyPower: I would but it may be beyond me .. but I have spoken about this before :D
[19:23] <lazyPower> CoderEurope - well, if your LUG is interested in learning, we can certainly host a charm school for anyone interested
[19:23] <lazyPower> free training to get you up and moving with juju with a focus / eye towards developing the discourse charm
[19:24] <marcoceppi> http://summit.juju.solutions
[19:25] <Merlijn_S> bdx_: are you James? Have you looked at the ci pipeline bundle? It's more or less what we wanted to build..
[19:26] <arosales> bdx_: https://jujucharms.com/u/juju-solutions/cwr-ci/ for reference, is what I think Merlijn_S  is referencing
[19:26] <bdx_> Merlijn_s: yes, its me
[19:26] <Merlijn_S> bdx_: Yes. + they're working on support for testing and publishing full bundles. preview here: https://github.com/juju/python-libjuju
[19:26] <bdx_> Merlijn_s: niceeeee
[19:26] <lazyPower> marcoceppi - juju status-history
[19:26] <sparkiegeek> juju show-status-log
[19:26] <lazyPower> ^
[19:27] <lazyPower> that
[19:27] <lazyPower> show-status-log
[19:27] <lazyPower> sparkiegeek high5 on gmta
[19:27] <sparkiegeek> lazyPower: o/ :)
[19:27] <Merlijn_S> bdx_ : sorry, preview ci for bundles here: https://github.com/juju-solutions/layer-cwr/tree/build-bundles
[19:27] <magicaltrout> 32 days....
[19:27] <magicaltrout> bugger, better come up with some content
[19:27] <bdx_> alias wjst="watch -n 0.2 -c juju status --color"
[19:29] <bdx_> Merlijn_s: for me its more about integrating application ci with juju though
[19:29] <lazyPower> marcoceppi - this may be a good time to bring up layer-debug
[19:29] <bdx_> Merlijn_s: not so much CI on the charms themselves, which I think is more your use case right?
[19:29] <skay> I am not familiar with layer-debug.
[19:30] <skay> definitely bring that up
[19:30] <CoderEurope> QUESTION: Not really a question- But , but ... I would just like to say that Beards' win in the show, today :D
[19:30] <lazyPower> skay - we (The eco team) wrote a layer to provide scaffolding for reporting on a unit to do debug. In our case we wanted entwork info dump, container / file descriptor info dumps, fs dumps, etc.
[19:30] <lazyPower> so i hope they cover it, might b fun :D
[19:31] <Merlijn_S> bdx_: I'd think that's more or less the same issue. Since charm tests can be whatever. I'd think you would just create a charm test that starts the tests of the actual application inside the charm..
[19:31] <sparkiegeek> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1645422 - retry-provisioning bug
[19:31] <mup> Bug #1645422: retry-provisioning doesn't retry failed deployments on MAAS <landscape> <maas-provider> <retry-privisioning> <juju:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1645422>
[19:34] <bdx_> Merlijn_S: application CI vs charm CI .... we have a team that writes selenium test suites for each of our apps
[19:35] <bdx_> rick_h: true that
[19:35] <Merlijn_S> bdx_: I have no experience with application CI so I'll just shut up :)
[19:36] <bdx_> Merlijn_S: lol ... oh man .. lets catch up soon
[19:40] <sparkiegeek> rick_h: FYI: the Google logo is obscuring the first line of your terminal
[19:42] <sparkiegeek> QUESTION: Does interactive juju add-cloud pre-seed potential MAAS API endpoints from ~/.maasclidb ?
[19:44] <sparkiegeek> ooh nice
[19:44] <sparkiegeek> no more tickling Juju in three different ways to bootstrap in MAAS
[19:45] <petevg> cory_fu: updated the crashdumping/gating PR to address your comments: https://github.com/juju-solutions/matrix/pull/63/files
[19:45] <petevg> cory_fu: if you have the branch checked out locally, you'll need to delete it and refetch -- someone's "trivial" indentation fixed created conflicts that I needed to clean up with a rebase :-p
[19:46] <cory_fu> petevg: :)  Sorry about that
[19:47] <lazyPower> Marco: I really think it would be solid to talk about layer-debug even if only briefly
[19:47] <petevg> Is cool.
[19:47] <lazyPower> marcoceppi ^
[19:47] <lazyPower> if you have k8s deployed, you can just run it :)
[19:50] <sparkiegeek> QUESTION: are there any ACLs planned for actions?
[19:50] <sparkiegeek> I might not want everyone to be able to get debug information
[19:50] <sparkiegeek> cover it next time, all good :)
[19:50] <CoderEurope> bye guys !
[19:50] <lazyPower> Great show fellas
[19:50] <lazyPower> \o/
[19:51] <CoderEurope> lazyPower: Was it you that was to ping me about discourse Xenial charm ?
[19:51] <lazyPower> CoderEurope - thats marcoceppi, but i'm happy to sit in and provide feedback/assistance
[19:51] <CoderEurope> okay cheers.
[19:51] <marcoceppi> CoderEurope: o/
[19:51] <CoderEurope> o/
[19:52] <marcoceppi> so I wrote this a long /long/ time ago. But they've moved to docker distribution. So it should be pretty straight forward to re-charm again where we run their bits in their docker package and then bolt on the rest from the outside
[19:52] <CoderEurope> right -oh
[19:52] <marcoceppi> CoderEurope: would you ahve time time later this week, or next week, to hash it out a bit?
[19:54] <CoderEurope> marcoceppi:   - I have a new laptop coming in this/next week - Had to stretch to the chromebook just to tune in today :D
[19:54] <rick_h> mbruzek: do you have a link for the layer to stick in the show notes?
[19:54] <marcoceppi> CoderEurope: cool, give me a ping here when you're set up
[19:54] <mbruzek> yes
[19:54] <CoderEurope> marcoceppi: cool-beans !
[19:54] <rick_h> mbruzek: ty
[19:54] <mbruzek> rick_h: https://github.com/charms/layer-debug
[19:55] <mbruzek> welcome
[19:58] <rick_h> marcoceppi: jcastro either of you know why the comments are disabled when I look at the video, but if I go to the edit/advanced settings, allow comments is checked?
[20:00] <marcoceppi> rick_h: is it publshed?
[20:02] <rick_h> marcoceppi: hmm, says "public" not seeing anything addressing "published" specifically
[20:04] <sparkiegeek> I still have problems accessing the links in the show notes in iOS - the long links get truncated by YouTube (fine) but it actually changes the href to be truncated too :(
[20:04] <sparkiegeek> rick_h: think you could use a link shortener to work around their bug?
[20:06] <rick_h> sparkiegeek: doh
[20:06] <rick_h> sparkiegeek: you're asking for an increased production level here. I feel like I need to go to film school for this :P
[20:08] <sparkiegeek> rick_h: well normally I wouldn't pay it any attention, but there's this guy I follow on Twitter who keeps harking on about them :)
[20:08] <rick_h> sparkiegeek: lol
[20:28] <magicaltrout> in python world can i do status_get and get the message?
[20:30] <magicaltrout> oh yeah it appears it already does
[20:31] <justicefries> hey all, picking up after a few weeks. is juju on OSX compiled with Go 1.7 yet?
[20:33] <lazyPower> justicefries it is not
[20:33] <lazyPower> i still get the random go stacktracing here and there
[20:36] <lazyPower> magicaltrout yep :D
[20:36] <lazyPower> rick_h - wasn't there some talk about the go 1.7 bit and how we handle that for brew?
[20:55] <cory_fu> petevg: I added a comment reply to your PR, but I really think that we need to keep the test with glitch in and figure out how to make it work with the gating.  That was the entire point of adding the gating logic in the first place.
[20:55] <petevg> cory_fu: I thought that we had decided not to run glitch by default.
[20:56] <petevg> cory_fu: ... because it conflicts with the goal of providing a reliable automated testing framework for now.
[20:56] <cory_fu> petevg: The reason we added the gating flag was because we wanted to still be able to run the glitch test but not have it influence the success or failure
[20:56] <cory_fu> So it would be informational but not affect pass / fail
[20:57] <petevg> cory_fu: yes. But unless we add a generic Exception check, we can't do that, because we also fail on uncaught Exceptions.
[20:57] <petevg> cory_fu: we could also just not throw an error on uncaught exceptions if the task doesn't gate, but that feels more likely to mask genuine issues to me.
[20:58] <cory_fu> We need to address that, then.  And I don't think a blanket catch is the right solution.  What exception is being thrown and why?  Is it a bug in glitch, or is it an expected failure case?  If the latter, then it should be converted to a TestFailure or added to the gating logic
[20:58] <petevg> cory_fu: I'm talking about things that you posted -- the NoneType surfacing because of a bug in core.
[20:59] <petevg> cory_fu: I've caught that by checking for TypeError, along with some other general Python errors, but I don't know what other errors libjuju or core will throw (especially as libjuju is under rapid development).
[20:59] <petevg> cory_fu: I want matrix to surface those errors, actually. But I don't want to do it in a way that messes the automated testing of charms bit.
[20:59] <petevg> cory_fu: I think that the best way to wind up with a glitch that gates in a controlled manner is to turn any Exception that comes up during a glitch run into a TestFailure.
[21:00] <petevg> cory_fu: that way, if we gate on glitch, we see the error. If not, it's in the logs, but it doesn't break stuff.
[21:00] <cory_fu> petevg: How is that NoneType error not a bug in glitch / matrix?
[21:00] <petevg> cory_fu: it's a bug in core/libjuju.
[21:00] <petevg> cory_fu: it's one of the things that can happen if you try to send a command to a machine that is rebooting.
[21:00] <petevg> cory_fu: you periodically complain about it in PRs, but then you also complain about it when I try to fix it in a generic way :-p
[21:01] <cory_fu> I don't think that NoneType error is a bug in libjuju.  I think it's a bug in matrix in that it continues to try to perform glitch operations after encountering a TestFailure
[21:01] <petevg> cory_fu: The NoneType error happens in libjuju.
[21:02] <cory_fu> petevg: Sure it does, because we're trying to call model methods after the connection was closed
[21:02] <petevg> cory_fu: and if I mask it in glitch by adding a check for it in the reboot action, I disable glitch's ability to tell us whether or not that error is fixed.
[21:02] <petevg> cory_fu: let's jump into the hangout.
[21:18] <petevg> cory_fu: wrote code, tested, and pushed the restored matrix.yaml, and Exception catching glitch.
[21:19] <cory_fu> Thanks
[21:19] <cory_fu> I'll take a look in a minute
[21:34] <petevg> cory_fu: ack. Didn't check in the "gating: false" lines in the matrix.yaml. Fixed and pushed.
[21:57] <cory_fu> tvansteenburgh: Quick PR for you: https://github.com/juju/python-libjuju/pull/40
[22:06] <jhobbs> do bundles need metadata.yaml's to be in the charm store?
[22:08] <marcoceppi> jhobbs: nope, just a readme and bundle.yaml
[22:10] <jhobbs> ahh it was the README i was missing
[22:10] <jhobbs> thanks marcoceppi


[10:02] <Guest95525> hi the ubuntu installer is crashing right away
[10:32] <AirBerlin> HEY
[12:01] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[21:21] <cortexman_> i have to manually run sudo systemctl start lightdm after boot
[21:22] <k1l> look into the dmesg and Xorg.log what is going wrong on boot
[21:25] <cortexman_> i don't really see anything
[21:25] <cortexman_> i think it's just not actually trying to use lightdm
[21:25] <cortexman_> dpkg-reconfigure says lightdm is already first
[21:41] <lordievader> cortexman_: Is the lightdm service enabled?
[21:48] <truexfan81> can anyone tell me where phpmyadmin keeps its config on ubuntu when you don't choose any of the 2 httpd options during the auto config? i asked in #ubuntu but no one there seems to know
[21:49] <truexfan81> i've tried using locate command to no avail
[21:49] <truexfan81> i just need to add my ip to it so i can gain access to it
[22:03] <asper> hello there. running on ubuntu 16.04 i can't delete a bridge interface created by ip link. after reboot its still there and an         │ Adie
[22:03] <asper>                           | previously associated wifi interface uses it as master.
[22:34] <asper> nevermind. hostapd was bringing that thing up.


[00:03] <MrChrisDruif> Bai robbmunson
[00:49] <Geocosm> I'm trying to make a script to run a file in /home/geo/progs/pms-linux-1.20.412 named PMS.sh... I have no idea what I'm doing. I've got the file in usr/local/bin but it's not coming up when I type it in a terminal or the run box.
[00:49] <Spreadsheet> Hmm, what?
[00:49] <Spreadsheet> PMS.sh is to run the file right?
[00:49] <Geocosm> In the file I have written: #!/bin/bash cd "/home/geo/progs/pms-linux-1.20.412" && ./PMS.sh
[00:50] <Spreadsheet> You should make your wording clearer...
[00:50] <Geocosm> Yeah. But when I create a launcher for it, it says my PS3 is an unknown renderer. I read to fix the problem you have to run the file from the directory.
[00:51] <Spreadsheet> What are you trying to do? If you want to run the program, without anything extra, you can just symlink it you know. I'll tell you how to symlink if you so desire
[00:51] <MrChrisDruif> Geocosm: What is it exactly what you are trying to accomplish ?
[00:52] <Geocosm> When I make a launcher for PS3 Media Server on my desktop it says my PS3 is  an 'unknown renderer' instead of 'PS3'. I did a little bit of googling and I found the solution is because I have to run the file directly from the folder where it is located.
[00:52] <Geocosm> I'm trying to make a script to do that, and then make a launcher for the script.
[00:52] <Spreadsheet> You don't need to make a script.  Because google is telling me to make a script or it won't work.
[00:53] <Spreadsheet> I'm not on Ubuntu, but I think that you should be able to make a launcher
[00:53] <Geocosm> I have a launcher. It doesn't work.
[00:53] <Spreadsheet> strange
[00:54] <MrChrisDruif> What did you put into the launcher?
[00:54] <Spreadsheet> #!/bin/sh /path/to/file
[00:54] <Geocosm> If I run it directly from the file by going to the folder location and clicking on it, it works.
[00:54] <Spreadsheet> If you type the file path directly, it will launch it. There's no need to cd
[00:57] <Geocosm> geo@Geo-Ubuntu:~/progs/pms-linux-1.20.412$ ./PMS.sh
[00:57] <Geocosm> That works.
[00:57] <Geocosm> In a terminal.
[00:58] <Geocosm> My script is completely broken lol.
[00:58] <Spreadsheet> I don't think cd should have quotes
[00:58] <Geocosm> What language is this?
[00:59] <MrChrisDruif> Spreadsheet: It ensures that the path is read....spaces would otherwise break the path O:-)
[00:59] <Geocosm> First of all, scripts go in /usr/local/bin correct?
[00:59] <Spreadsheet> Oh... learned something new today :)
[00:59] <Spreadsheet> Yes
[01:00] <Spreadsheet> Well if you want to put them on the path
[01:00] <Geocosm> Okay. Second of all, what is this first line #!/bin/sh ?
[01:00] <Spreadsheet> If you want it on the desktop, I think you should be able to just click it
[01:00] <Spreadsheet> Geocosm: it's a hashbang. It tells the OS to run it using the shell
[01:00] <Geocosm> Okay that's what I want.
[01:00] <Spreadsheet> /bin/sh is the shell interpreter
[01:01] <Spreadsheet> Yeah, also, use /bin/sh, not bash
[01:01] <Geocosm> Now how do I make the script open PMS.sh?
[01:01] <MrChrisDruif> Geocosm: It's the path to the bash shell interpreter, thanks Spreadsheet couldn't think of it :)
[01:01] <MrChrisDruif> PMS.sh is a script for the PS3 Media thing?
[01:01] <Spreadsheet> Geocosm: you want it on the desktop right? Write the file on the desktop. Then: cd ~/Desktop; chmod +x file.sh
[01:02] <Geocosm> I don't want all these icons on my desktop though.
[01:02] <Geocosm> It's got like 5
[01:02] <Geocosm> It won't run just on its own.
[01:02] <Geocosm> So I put them in /progs/pms-linuxblahblahblah
[01:02] <Spreadsheet> I am confused
[01:02] <Geocosm> Join the club :(
[01:02] <Spreadsheet> How do you want to run the script?
[01:02] <Spreadsheet> From shell or Desktop?
[01:03] <Geocosm> I just want the script to run. As soon as I do that there are many ways I can execute the script.
[01:03] <Spreadsheet> Ok. Do you know about permissions?
[01:03] <Geocosm> I can use CCSM or I can use a launcher.
[01:03] <Spreadsheet> if not, just chmod u+x the file
[01:03] <Geocosm> or I can just type it in GNOME-do
[01:03] <MrChrisDruif> Geocosm: I think you can use a launcher :)
[01:03] <MrChrisDruif> Maybe that would even work as well :)
[01:03] <Geocosm> Or I could use a launcher.
[01:03] <Spreadsheet> If the file is /progs/script.sh, then chmod u+x /progs/script.sh
[01:04] <Spreadsheet> You *need* to make it executable
[01:04] <Geocosm> ahhhh
[01:04] <Geocosm> That's my problem I think :)
[01:04] <Spreadsheet> Now try it, assuming your script is already there
[01:05] <Geocosm> Okay GNOME-do is pulling up the script name, but the script is still borked.
[01:05] <Geocosm> Got it :)
[01:05] <Spreadsheet> It worked?
[01:05] <Geocosm> Forgot to put ./ before PMS.sh
[01:05] <Geocosm> on the new line.
[01:05] <Geocosm> You guys rock!
[01:06] <Spreadsheet> np
[01:06]  * Geocosm does the happy PS3 Media Server dance
[01:06] <MrChrisDruif> Your welcome :)
[01:06] <MrChrisDruif> #happyhappyjoyjoy :D
[01:13] <johnny77> Web links are not opening the browser specified in the preferred applications. Trying to figure out why I checked my applications folder to see if I may be running the wrong program. I ran all three in terminal to see if any had any errors. Here is the pastebin: http://paste.ubuntu.com/558350/
[01:13] <Geocosm> I have trouble with the preferred applications thing not working, too.
[01:14] <Geocosm> Oh it says you don't have it?
[01:15] <johnny77> Geocosm: I've had a few different desktop environments and window managers on my computer. I would have to guess that the first one is a left over.
[01:15] <Geocosm> hm.
[01:18] <johnny77> Geocosm: I do, however, admit I've only had Ubuntu for about three months and don't know a whole lot.
[01:18] <Geocosm> Yeah I've had Ubuntu about that long too heh.
[01:18] <Geocosm> I've been messing around with it since 8.04 but I've been using it as my primary OS for the past 3 months or so.
[01:19] <Geocosm> So, do you currently have more than one desktop installed?
[01:21] <Geocosm> Your current desktop may be using/trying to look for a different preference manager than the one in system/preferred applications? I'm guessing, sorry. I stick to GNOME, myself.
[01:22] <johnny77> I originally installed Ubuntu, but I now also have installed LXDE and Fluxbox. I'm currently running fluxbox. My problem is only when I am logged into fluxbox.
[01:22] <Geocosm> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8348
[01:24] <Geocosm> That help you at all?
[01:28] <MrChrisDruif> Bye all, off to bed :)
[01:28] <MrChrisDruif> johnny77: Good luck with your problem :)
[01:28] <sultan2> Good night ;)
[01:28] <johnny77> MrChrisDruif: thanks bye
[01:28] <MrChrisDruif> Bye sultan2
[01:29] <johnny77> I got two things out of that thread: first fluxbox is a WM and "does not provide these services" which I already knew.
[01:29] <johnny77> second that the gnome defaults were used.
[01:29] <johnny77> The problem I'm having is the gnome defaults are set to what I want. But it is still not opening what I want.
[01:30] <Geocosm> Hrm.
[01:30] <Geocosm> Wonder why.
[01:31] <johnny77> Maybe when I run the gnome default applications program in fluxbox it doesn't set the variable correctly. I'm gonna jump into gnome and see what the default applications program tells me is set to default.
[01:32] <paultag> johnny77: it's not fluxbox ;)
[01:32] <paultag> johnny77: fluxbox is a window manager, not a desktop env
[01:32] <paultag> johnny77: you need to start something to handle that, like, say, gnome-settings-manager
[01:32] <paultag> fluxbox has zero to do with how what starts what
[01:32] <johnny77> paultag: i know that.... ak|ra pointed that out quite well to me this afternoon.
[01:33] <paultag> johnny77: aye, I saw that ;)
[01:33] <paultag> johnny77: ak|ra is actually very nice
[01:40] <paultag> Humm, johnny left
[01:45] <paultag> johnny77: hey, did you try using gnome-settings-manager?
[01:46] <johnny77> paultag: I can't find that and it's not in synaptic, but I did find gnome-settings-dameon. Trying to figure this all out....
[01:47] <paultag> johnny77: it's a command ;)
[01:47] <paultag> johnny77: it's installed with gnome it's self
[01:47] <paultag> johnny77: gnome starts it on login to handle stuff like keybindings &c.
[01:51] <JackyAlcine> paultag: I get the same issue when I tried running it from the Run dialog in GNOME..
[01:51] <JackyAlcine> That johnny77 is having.
[01:51] <paultag> er... gnome-settings-daemon, then?
[01:51] <paultag> JackyAlcine: ^
[01:51] <paultag> JackyAlcine: do you mind helping johnny77 while I walk back home?
[01:51] <JackyAlcine> Hold on, isn't the manager part of Unity? It was here while Unity was installed but after I removed it, it disappeared.
[01:51] <paultag> gnome-settings-something-or-other
[01:51] <JackyAlcine> No problem.
[01:52] <paultag> JackyAlcine: wait, what?
[01:52] <paultag> JackyAlcine: no, it's GNOME
[01:52] <paultag> JackyAlcine: check apt-cache for packages liek gnome-settings* and installed binaries. One love
[01:52] <paultag> BRB
[01:53] <JackyAlcine> yeah. it was there before, I remember running it when I had the Unity DM installed.
[01:53] <JackyAlcine> johnny77: Try running gnome-wm.
[01:54] <johnny77> JackyAlcine: it told me another WM is already running.
[01:56] <JackyAlcine> What system are you running?
[01:56] <JackyAlcine> Like what distro of ubuntu?
[01:57] <johnny77> I'm running fluxbox installed on Ubuntu 10.10.
[01:58] <JackyAlcine> Hm, fluxbox as your window manager, eh? And you're unable to log into your session?
[01:59] <holstein> johnny77: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=110158
[01:59] <holstein> is that relavant enough?
[02:00] <johnny77> When I'm logged into fluxbox, I can not get it to load web links in the browser i prefer.
[02:01] <holstein> johnny77: the way i did it using fluxbox
[02:01] <holstein> i just copied the link
[02:01] <holstein> and pasted it
[02:01] <holstein> in te browser
[02:01] <holstein> the*
[02:01] <holstein> but i know what you're talking about
[02:04] <JackyAlcine> Hm, is this your post or someone's elses?
[02:04] <JackyAlcine> And I think that the session manager might be the one to blame, if your configuration are acting up.
[02:07] <johnny77> could putting "export DE=gnome" in fluxbox startup file work? Is that what it's saying?
[02:35] <shamueoconnor> hello i have sound problems i had linux mint before and i had and solved the problem i just need help o know how again
[02:36] <shamueoconnor> i had to uninstall a sound manager
[02:36] <holstein> shamueoconnor: pulse?
[02:36] <shamueoconnor> yep
[02:36] <holstein> 10.10 ?
[02:36] <shamueoconnor> probably
[02:36] <shamueoconnor> sry iu have a brokenn hand
[02:37] <shamueoconnor> cant type fast
[02:37] <shamueoconnor> how would i uninstall it completly i stopped doing using mint a year ago
[02:37] <holstein> http://jechem.blogspot.com/2010/10/how-to-remove-pulseaudio-on-ubuntu-1010.html
[02:37] <shamueoconnor> thanks
[02:38] <shamueoconnor> holstein thanks
[02:38] <holstein> :)
[02:53] <JackyAlcine> johnny77: Sorry, had an issue. But possibly.
[02:53] <johnny77> JackyAlcine: I had to jump off for a while. Sorry.
[03:19]  * robbmunson is back.
[03:26] <johnny77> If anyone is following my saga, I got it fixed. I still have no idea how it works, but I uninstalled firefox to force it to choose chrome, then reinstalled firefox. So far it still loads chrome, but we'll see what a reboot does.
[03:53] <robbmunson> on phone, brb.
[04:15] <choas> hello all
[04:16] <choas> i was wondering if anyone here has any experience with ubuntu and toshiba tecra laptops
[04:23] <Linuxnewbhead> hello
[04:23] <JackyAlcine> Hey Linuxnewbhead
[04:23] <Linuxnewbhead> hi there... il think I may be in the right place..
[04:24] <Linuxnewbhead> i'm new to LInux... but I'm VERY eager to join the new fascinating open source world of Linux distro flavors
[04:24] <Linuxnewbhead> i'm attempting my first install of ubuntu 10.10
[04:24] <Linuxnewbhead> this is a support chatroom correct?
[04:25] <aveilleux> Si
[04:26] <Linuxnewbhead> so how is everyone tonight?
[04:26] <bioterror> it's 06:30 in the morning ;)
[04:26] <IAmNotThatGuy> 9:55 here
[04:26] <aveilleux> Linuxnewbhead: This isn't really a chatroom for general discussion.... It's for support mainly. There's an offtopic channel at #ubuntu-beginners-team
[04:27] <Linuxnewbhead> well i just so happen to need support at the moment
[04:27] <aveilleux> Linuxnewbhead: Then ask
[04:27] <JackyAlcine> It's 11:27 PM here.
[04:27] <Linuxnewbhead> okay.. I don't mean to be rude or interuptive of anything
[04:27] <JackyAlcine> No go ahead Linuxnewbhead
[04:28] <bioterror> kids kids
[04:28] <aveilleux> Linuxnewbhead: I didn't mean to sound brusque
[04:28] <bioterror> !ask | Linuxnewbhead
[04:28] <ubot2> Linuxnewbhead: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[04:29] <Linuxnewbhead> I am attempting an install of Ubuntu 10.10 64 bit distro from Windows... normally of course Linux is installed from directly from an ISO mounted to either a usb drive or a disk.. but currently I cannot obtain a flash drive... and my optical drive is not responding in Windows XP....
[04:29] <Linuxnewbhead> so what I'm attempting to do... instead of the tradtional method
[04:29] <bioterror> dont do wubi
[04:30] <Linuxnewbhead> ues i've heard mixed reviews about wubi
[04:30] <IAmNotThatGuy> Linuxnewbhead, are you into your windows now and trying to install it?
[04:30] <Linuxnewbhead> so... i'm attempting a different method
[04:30] <Linuxnewbhead> is install the GRUB boot loader into the windows boot.ini mbr
[04:30] <bioterror> hahaha no
[04:30] <Linuxnewbhead> yes I'm in windows currently...
[04:30] <bioterror> grub goes to MBR and is launched before windows chainloader
[04:31] <bioterror> if I remember right
[04:31] <IAmNotThatGuy> Linuxnewbhead, do not do that. just boot from the Disk at startup and install it
[04:31] <Linuxnewbhead> well.. see my issue is my optical drive is not responding in Windows
[04:31]  * bioterror nods
[04:31] <bioterror> Linuxnewbhead, make an USB stick then
[04:31] <IAmNotThatGuy> *in windows* is not needed here
[04:32] <Linuxnewbhead> oh lol... okay thak you
[04:32] <IAmNotThatGuy> change the BIOS settings and boot it. it dont depend on the previous OS you installed
[04:32] <Linuxnewbhead> hmm... i've read about the usb stick method as well
[04:32] <bioterror> and btw. hang here or check the forums, you dont see any mixed reviews about wubi then ;)
[04:33] <Linuxnewbhead> unebootin allows you to make a bootable iso and mount it into a usb stick correct?
[04:33] <IAmNotThatGuy> Linuxnewbhead, you think your optical drive will work if you re-install windows?
[04:33] <bioterror> Linuxnewbhead, I'm suggesting to use Unetootin
[04:34] <Linuxnewbhead> Iamnotthatguy... yes possibly it might respond.. but since Linux is very very good at hardware troubleshooting and testing of hardware... a lot of times Ubuntu an dother distro's will detect hardware issues for you automatically on start up
[04:35] <Linuxnewbhead> that's why I wanted to try and upload Linux first before I try an reformat of NTFS in windows
[04:35] <IAmNotThatGuy> Linuxnewbhead, you are in a laptop? if so, which brand?
[04:35] <Linuxnewbhead> yup
[04:35] <Linuxnewbhead> Acer 7520 G ....
[04:35] <Linuxnewbhead> single hard disk.. i believe it's IDE channel
[04:36] <Linuxnewbhead> i have a current partition set up for a dual boot which was what I was attempting
[04:36] <Linuxnewbhead> i just don't have a flash drive handy.. so i thought this method of uploading grub to override the NTDLR would be useful.. but apparently it's risky
[04:37] <holstein> if you have another machine
[04:37] <holstein> you can install to the hard drive in another machine
[04:37] <holstein> that can work pretty well if you dont tweak too much
[04:37] <holstein> til after you move
[04:37] <bioterror> if you have another machine, you can make pxe boot :D
[04:37] <Linuxnewbhead> hmm.. pxe boot?
[04:38] <holstein> bioterror: HA
[04:38] <holstein> even better :)
[04:38] <Linuxnewbhead> and yes I didn't think about that holstein.. but another machine would prove safer and allow me to install Linux
[04:38] <Linuxnewbhead> and test it in a more safe way.. i have already backed up my dad
[04:38] <Linuxnewbhead> data**
[04:39] <bioterror> my friends and my work has usb dvd-drives, I've loaned them :D
[04:40] <bioterror> for a mystical reason, I havent bought one yet
[04:40] <Linuxnewbhead> yea making boot iso's on flash drives with linux is apparently much easier.. for other OS's you must build and entire file system onto the flash drive
[04:41] <Linuxnewbhead> to make a live boot
[04:41] <bioterror> that's what unetbootin does
[04:41] <Linuxnewbhead> (i apologize if I use incorrect terminology.. but I'm pretty sure my lingo is correct... I'm still a bit of a newbie)
[04:41] <bioterror> it extracts the .iso image to flashdrive and do some magic
[04:41] <Linuxnewbhead> ohh.. alright.. interesting I didn't know that..
[04:42] <Linuxnewbhead> you can make custom boots as well w/ unebootin
[04:42] <bioterror> what do you mean?
[04:42] <Linuxnewbhead> many thanx for the help though...
[04:43] <Linuxnewbhead> i think i will just stick it out and buy a flash drive stick
[04:43] <holstein> might need to buy a rom drive
[04:44] <Linuxnewbhead> but believe it not... just fyi the menu.lst was in fact meant to edit in order to make a custom boot....
[04:44] <Linuxnewbhead> yea rom drive might be a necessity too
[04:45] <holstein> depends on what you have laying around the house
[04:45] <holstein> im about over discs
[04:45] <bioterror> menu.lst is for grub 1 (legacy) and grub.cfg (grub2) is something we use today (in the future!!)
[04:46] <Linuxnewbhead> yes... ;yes yes yes
[04:46] <Linuxnewbhead> so I've read
[04:46] <bioterror> so if you're reading guides and they use menu.lst, not good. too old information
[04:46] <Linuxnewbhead> it seems to have much more viable boot options and capabilities such as themes... apparently you can even use scripting commands within grub.cfg
[04:47] <Linuxnewbhead> lol... yes... believe it or not I was just about to attempt an old guide method to edit menu.lst... but then I realized that grub2 was the new boot loader Lmao
[04:49] <Linuxnewbhead> well thanks again for your help... I think I will just use the unebootin method
[04:50] <Linuxnewbhead> cheers and many thanks!
[06:36] <luptonicedtea> Hello.  I've just built a new computer and want to minecraft.  I've downloaded the file, as well as Open JDK Java 6 Runtime, and I just can't figure out where to go from here.  I've changed the extracted folder to open with the Java, and I've given it permission to run as a program.  Something I'm missing?
[09:11] <MrChrisDruif> Why can't I summon the topic here? :-/
[09:12] <bioterror> what?
[09:13] <MrChrisDruif> I want to copy the topic for LoCo team explanation
[09:13] <bioterror> you need to say /topic
[09:13] <bioterror> and it will be prompted
[09:13] <MrChrisDruif> I did <_<"
[09:13] <MrChrisDruif> Didn't show <_<"
[09:14] <bioterror> pidgin :D
[09:14] <bioterror> how about a real irc client
[09:14] <MrChrisDruif> bioterror: I've got multi-protocol set up...I like it better :)
[09:14] <bioterror> so they say
[09:15] <bioterror> seems like it is better, as you cant see the topic with a proper command
[09:15] <bioterror> /quote topic #ubuntu-beginners
[09:15] <bioterror> try that one
[09:16] <MrChrisDruif> Didn't work...
[09:16] <bioterror> works for me
[09:16] <bioterror> :D
[09:17] <MrChrisDruif> Welcome to the Ubuntu Beginners Team support channel || Please do not wait to ask question, simply ask! If anyone knows the answer, they will most likely reply. || Please note, public logs of this channel are available on irclogs.ubuntu.com || Want offtopic? Head over to #ubuntu-beginners-team < did I mis anything bioterror?
[09:19] <MrChrisDruif> Typed it over myself :P
[09:19] <bioterror> hoh
[15:09] <ereotav> ubuntu 10.10 not recgonizing hp dv9000 keyboard or trackpad. How do i fiz this?
[15:17] <ereotav> ubuntu 10.10 not recgonizing hp dv9000 keyboard or trackpad. How do i fiz this?
[15:19] <bioterror> ereotav, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=512059
[15:21] <ereotav> so installing the synatpc driver should fix both?
[15:26] <duanedesign> hello ereotav
[15:26] <ereotav> hey
[15:35] <duanedesign> ereotav: could you run this command:   gconftool-2 --type string --set /apps/gnome_settings_daemon/keybindings/touchpad ""
[15:36] <duanedesign> what it does is explained here: http://linux.aldeby.org/howto-ubuntu-linux-on-hp-pavilion-dv2000-dv6000-dv9000-series-laptops.html/5#touchpad
[15:36] <ereotav> well as of now i cant run my comp cuz i dont have a mouse or anything.
[15:36] <ereotav> but ill email it and try it later
[15:37] <mutu> hola
[15:38] <ereotav> thanks
[15:41] <duanedesign> ereotav: also if this is a fresh install run the updates. You can do that with command:  sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[15:41] <ereotav> right now its a super sloppy install...vista other partition..i want to work out all the kinks before going full blown
[15:43] <mutu> Why it serves an url scraper
[15:43] <mutu> hi
[18:36] <luptonicedtea> Hey! I just built a computer, and am trying to install minecraft.  I have it downloaded, but I can't figure out how to make it run.
[18:36] <bioterror> luptonicedtea, remove openjdk and icedtea , enable partner repository and install sun-java6-{bin,jre,plugin,fonts}
[18:39] <luptonicedtea> I have removed openjdk and already have sun-java-6 installed.  I'm not sure what you mean by "enable partner repository"
[18:41] <bioterror> (last time someone asked that, he played that minecraft in a browser)
[18:41] <bioterror> I dunno if you have downloaded something
[18:41] <luptonicedtea> Yeah, I was trying to run the program itself.
[18:41] <luptonicedtea> I had it running on my laptop, but now I can't figure out what's different.
[18:41] <bioterror> and the program is a file?
[18:42] <luptonicedtea> minecraft_alpha_1.1.2.tar.gz
[18:42] <luptonicedtea> and when I extract it, there is nothing shown
[18:42] <bioterror> in terminal tar zxvf minecraft_alpha_1.1.2.tar.gz
[18:43] <luptonicedtea> mmmk
[18:43] <luptonicedtea> i did
[18:44] <bioterror> and you saw it extracting
[18:44] <bioterror> right?
[18:44] <luptonicedtea> yeah
[18:44] <bioterror> is there a binary in that directory or minecraft.jar or what
[18:45] <luptonicedtea> minecraft_name.jar
[18:45] <bioterror> java -jar minecraft_name.jar
[18:45] <luptonicedtea> Unrecognized option: -minecraft_name.jar
[18:45] <luptonicedtea> Could not create the Java virtual machine.
[18:46] <bioterror> hmmm what
[18:46] <bioterror> something not right
[18:46] <bioterror> did you copy & paste that line
[18:47] <luptonicedtea> java -jar minecraft_name.jar ?
[18:47] <luptonicedtea> yes
[18:47] <luptonicedtea> Unable to access jarfile minecraft_name.jar
[18:49] <luptonicedtea>  got it
[18:49] <luptonicedtea> i downloaded minecraft from a separate website when it didn't work the first time, 'cause I'm an idiot.
[18:50] <luptonicedtea> After installing Sun Java 6 and removing the other one, I redownloaded the original minecraft.jar, enabled permission, and ran it in sun java 6.  it's now running.  Thank you very much.
[18:50] <bioterror> np
[19:47] <Androoo> hello there, quite new to ubuntu, keep having issues with grub wiping my vista install from the menu that seems to coninside with (I think?) a kernal update on the automatic updates - is this a bug ?     i
[19:48] <eric1> My internet stopped working and I can no longer see the networking icon in the panel. Please Help
[19:58] <Cial> So I think this is the right place to ask this.. Does anyone know a way to run a .gif image on the desktop?
[19:59] <luptonicedtea> Hey! I just assembled a computer and am having trouble with my graphics card.  It's an AMD Radeon 6850, and the disc that came with it only has support for Windows 7.  I've read that there isn't much out there for AMD graphics cards for Linux, but I didn't know if anyone here had an answer.
[20:01] <bioterror> !ati | luptonicedtea
[20:01] <ubot2> luptonicedtea: For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[20:05] <luptonicedtea> It says:
[20:05] <luptonicedtea> 05:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Device 6739
[20:05] <luptonicedtea> But this card only has DVI and HDMI out, firstly, and the website ubot gave me doesn't have this card on the list.  Problem?
[20:06] <luptonicedtea> And, also, the "Hardware Drivers" wizard returns no proprietary drivers when I scan.
[20:11] <kristian-aalborg> can there be another reason for youtube being slow than their servers? flash is not working too well for me atm
[20:12] <bioterror> kristian-aalborg, I think you know that you can look your CPU usage
[20:12] <bioterror> and see if it's 100%
[20:16] <bioterror> luptonicedtea, http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx?type=2.4.1&product=<IP_ADDRESS>.42&lang=English
[20:17] <luptonicedtea> Wow. Are you  magic? :)
[20:19] <kristian-aalborg> it seems to happen at random, but will check that next time
[20:21] <kristian-aalborg> hurm, cpu and ram seems not to change when it happens... probably youtube then
[20:23] <luptonicedtea> bioterror , gedit really is no liking this .run file.  It says:
[20:24] <luptonicedtea> gedit has not been able to detect the character encoding.
[20:24] <luptonicedtea> Please check that you are not trying to open a binary file.
[20:24] <luptonicedtea> Select a character encoding from the menu and try again.
[20:24] <bioterror> how about README or INSTALL
[20:24] <luptonicedtea> It only downloaded one file, ati-driver-installer-11-1-x86.x86_64.run
[20:25] <bioterror> chmod +x ati-driver-installer-11-1-x86.x86_64.run
[20:25] <bioterror> ./ati-driver-installer-11-1-x86.x86_64.run
[20:25] <bioterror> in terminal
[20:25] <bioterror> and in same directory
[20:26] <bioterror> probably ~/Downloads
[20:27] <bioterror> not sure if you need to run it as a root
[20:27] <bioterror> as I'm having only 4xxx radeon and I can use opensource drivers ;)
[20:28] <luptonicedtea> So, what exactly do I type into terminal?
[20:28] <luptonicedtea> ~/Downloads chmod +x ati-driver-installer-11-1-x86.x86_64.run
[20:28] <bioterror> open terminal
[20:29] <bioterror> cd Downloads
[20:29] <bioterror> chmod +x ati-driver-installer-11-1-x86.x86_64.run
[20:29] <bioterror> sudo chmod
[20:29] <bioterror> remember sudo
[20:29] <bioterror> sudo sh chmod +x ati-driver-installer-11-1-x86.x86_64.run
[20:30] <luptonicedtea> why won't it let me paste?
[20:30] <luptonicedtea> rofl
[20:30] <bioterror> use middle button
[20:30] <bioterror> but you should read that "release notes"
[20:31] <bioterror> that pdf file tells you what to do
[20:32] <luptonicedtea> I... don't see any "release notes" \/
[20:32] <luptonicedtea> =/
[20:32] <luptonicedtea> and I'm getting sh: Can't open chmod
[20:32] <bioterror> oh sorry
[20:32] <bioterror> take the chmod off
[20:32] <bioterror> :D
[20:33] <bioterror> my fault as I just pasted that line
[20:33] <luptonicedtea> it's cool
[20:33] <luptonicedtea> and there are a lot of dots running :)
[20:34] <luptonicedtea> The ATI Catalyst (TM) Poprietary Driver installation is complete. Blah blah blah. System must be rebooted.
[20:35] <luptonicedtea> KThxbrb
[20:38] <luptonicedtea> ffs
[20:38] <luptonicedtea> So, now I'm back to Minecraft not working. Rofl.
[20:40] <luptonicedtea> and I can't watch videos fullscreen in youtube
[20:41] <luptonicedtea> or hulu
[20:41] <luptonicedtea> It says that a plugin has crashed.
[20:42] <bioterror> :D
[20:42] <bioterror> which plugin
[20:48] <luptonicedtea> /opt/google/chrome/libgcflashplayer.so =)
[20:49] <bioterror> hmmm
[20:51] <bioterror> you have 64bit ubuntu?
[20:52] <luptonicedtea> i don't think so
[20:52] <luptonicedtea> i'm pretty sure i don't
[20:53] <bioterror> luptonicedtea, in terminal: uname -s
[20:53] <bioterror> sorry
[20:53] <luptonicedtea> Linux
[20:53] <bioterror> uname -m
[20:53] <luptonicedtea> haha
[20:53] <bioterror> :D
[20:53] <luptonicedtea> i686
[20:53] <bioterror> Im watching tv :D
[20:53] <luptonicedtea> haha. nice.  Thanks again for doing this.
[20:54] <luptonicedtea> The uname -m reported i686
[20:55] <bioterror> yes
[20:56] <bioterror> does that flash crash again after restarting chromium
[20:57] <luptonicedtea> yeah
[21:00] <bioterror> hi mohi
[21:00] <IAmNotThatGuy> hello bioterror
[21:00] <bioterror> no sleep?
[21:01] <bioterror> luptonicedtea, you might have to deinstall that catalyst
[21:02] <luptonicedtea> Awesome. How do I do that?
[21:02] <bioterror> you looked that release notes?
[21:02] <luptonicedtea> I never found them.
[21:02] <bioterror> http://www2.ati.com/relnotes/Catalyst_11.1_Linux_Installer.pdf
[21:03] <luptonicedtea> What does this mean I should do? =/
[21:03] <luptonicedtea> "1 Launch the Terminal Application/Window and navigate to the /usr/share/ati folder.
[21:03] <luptonicedtea> 2 With superuser permissions, enter the command "sh ./fglrx-uninstall.sh"
[21:04] <ereotav> bioterror: I followed the instructions in the link you gave me earlier about trackpads. It worked but I still cant get the enable\disable button to function properly
[21:05] <bioterror> luptonicedtea, sudo = super user
[21:06] <luptonicedtea> right...
[21:06] <bioterror> ereotav, it was that dv9000?
[21:06] <bioterror> !sudo | luptonicedtea
[21:06] <ereotav> yes
[21:06] <ubot2> luptonicedtea: sudo is a command to run command-line programs with superuser privileges ("root") (also see !cli). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. For graphical applications see !gksu (GNOME, Xfce), or !kdesudo (KDE). If you're unable to execute commands with sudo see: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo
[21:06] <luptonicedtea> I don't understand directories. =/
[21:06] <luptonicedtea> it says ./blahblahblah
[21:06] <bioterror> !filesystem ! luptonicedtea
[21:06] <ubot2> bioterror: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[21:07] <bioterror> !ext4 | luptonicedtea
[21:07] <ubot2> Factoid 'ext4' not found
[21:07] <bioterror> kraah
[21:07] <bioterror> :D
[21:07] <luptonicedtea> :P
[21:07] <bioterror> luptonicedtea, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=258611
[21:10] <bioterror> ereotav, I have to admit that I'm really hands down with the HP consumer laptops
[21:10] <bioterror> ereotav, back in the days I did alot work with my co-workers laptop and after all he decided to try opensuse and everything was working withotu problems
[21:11] <bioterror> he had dv6somethingsomething
[21:11] <bioterror> and as a reward he asked if I'm a redwine guy and I said I prefer whiskey. I got a bottle of scotch and I've never drank so crappy whiskey :D
[21:11] <bioterror> even with coke it made me almost puke :D
[21:12] <luptonicedtea> 1 Launch the Terminal Application/Window and navigate to the /usr/share/ati folder.
[21:12] <luptonicedtea> 2 With superuser permissions, enter the command "sh ./fglrx-uninstall.sh
[21:12] <luptonicedtea> Still completely lost.
[21:12] <bioterror> luptonicedtea, cd /usr/share/ati
[21:13] <bioterror> luptonicedtea, sudo sh ./fglrx-uninstall.sh
[21:14] <luptonicedtea> "sh: can't open ./fglrx-uninstall.sh"
[21:15] <luptonicedtea> nevermind
[21:15] <luptonicedtea> I'm just an idiot.  "restore of system environment completed"
[22:05] <Dangr_> I have an IRC related question. I haven't used it since middle/high school so its been a good 10+ years
[22:06] <Dangr_> How do you mention a name when talking to someone in the main chatroom but not in a private chat
[22:06] <Dangr_> I see messages directed to users in the main window who have questions but don't want to type it by hand so I'm figureing there isa  short cut
[22:07] <holstein> you mean like Dangr_ ?
[22:07] <holstein> or holstein
[22:07] <pleia2> Dangr_: you type the first letter or two of their nickname and then hit tab
[22:07] <Dangr_> yep!
[22:07] <holstein> tab complete?
[22:07] <Dangr_> thats exactly it
[22:07] <Dangr_> thanks!
[22:07] <pleia2> sure :)
[23:10] <ereotav> what is the format that ubuntu prefers for external hdd
[23:10] <bioterror> you mean filesystem
[23:10] <Spreadsheet> There's no preference for FS. Most of them work
[23:11] <Spreadsheet> You should go with NTFS as every computer can read that
[23:11] <bioterror> its up to you
[23:11] <bioterror> a golden path is EXT4
[23:11] <bioterror> Spreadsheet, noooooo......
[23:11] <Spreadsheet> Why not?
[23:12] <bioterror> becouse its NTFS. a crappy "journaling" fs
[23:12] <bioterror> if someone is full ubuntu, theres really no reason to use ntfs
[23:12] <bioterror> rather ext4, xfs, reiser4 or jfs
[23:12] <bioterror> what ever suits for the use
[23:13] <bioterror> I have ext4 and xfs
[23:13] <Spreadsheet> Well if it's just Ubuntu, yeah, any can work
[23:13] <ereotav> well ill be transfering from linux to mac mostly
[23:13] <Spreadsheet> Unless it's SSD
[23:13] <bioterror> doh
[23:13] <bioterror> mac :D
[23:13] <Spreadsheet> NTFS
[23:14] <Spreadsheet> OSX supports it. I tried one on this MBP and it works
[23:14] <ereotav> does that have th 4gb limit?
[23:14] <Spreadsheet> No, the 4gb is for FAT
[23:14] <bioterror> nope
[23:14] <bioterror> FAT32 has
[23:14] <Spreadsheet> NTFS will be ok with most disks
[23:14] <Spreadsheet> You won't notice the difference
[23:14] <ereotav> i am viewing the properties for it now and it says filesytem msdos
[23:14] <ereotav> is msdos fat32
[23:16] <bioterror> yes
[23:16] <ereotav> oohhh good
[23:17] <ereotav> bioterror: thanks man..on and i got my dv9000 keyboard and trackpad to work perfectly thanks for the info
[23:19] <bioterror> ereotav, np
[23:21] <ereotav> oh lastly.. i currentyl have vista and ubuntu installed...and i wanto to do a clean install of ubuntu ..is it as easy as putting the cd in a chosseing only ubuntu? would that do it?
[23:21] <bioterror> yes
[23:21] <bioterror> user whole hard disk
[23:21] <bioterror> use
[23:22] <ereotav> ok. thanks
[23:22] <bioterror> awesome choise that is if you do it
[23:22] <bioterror> bug #1
[23:22] <ubot2> bioterror: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 (Not reporting large bug)
[23:22] <ereotav> def will cuz i have a xp disc that i can put on Vbox
[23:23] <bioterror> :)
[23:23] <ereotav> haha nice bug link
[23:28] <ereotav> im going to go do a clean install now..hope all goes well
[23:48] <Spreadsheet> When someone has a problem, should we ask them what they are trying to do and offer a better solution, or just try to help them their way?
[23:49] <bioterror> hmmm
[23:49] <bioterror> it depends
[23:49] <bioterror> the skills of help seeker
[23:49] <bioterror> and what he is trying to do
[23:50] <bioterror> I think the best case is to give some guidance
[23:50] <bioterror> let him learn on the way to solution
[23:50] <MrChrisDruif> The skills of what....hai bioterror
[23:50] <MrChrisDruif> :)
[23:51] <bioterror> but ofcourse, sometimes it's just better to give all commands
[23:52] <bioterror> you have to choose how you help and what's the best practice for the best solution and have a satisfied "customer"
[23:53] <bioterror> if there's a !-command in bot, I will handle it to someone who is asking help
[23:54] <bioterror> so my method is to give mainly guidance as it helps most, but ofcourse I can share part of my knowledge too ;)
[23:55] <geirha> In my personal experience, it depends on my mood and how long it would take to explain a better solution ^^
[23:55] <bioterror> yeah, that too
[23:55] <bioterror> I'm always grumpy


[01:59] <pitti> Good ... ungodly hour of the day
[02:00] <sarnold> hey pitti :) a pal in duesseldorf went to bed just two hours ago..
[02:00] <sarnold> you're up entirely too early even by your usual standards :)
[02:01] <pitti> yeah, I know.. I've been tossing around for an hour already, can't sleep
[02:02] <sarnold> I hate that :(
[02:02] <pitti> slangasek: you mean the regressions on i386/amd64? as arm and ppc always failed; that can't be LXC, as these are full VMs
[02:03] <pitti> slangasek: "OSError: [Errno 14] Bad address" in the two test.test_socket.Recvmsg* tests, hmm; doesn't immediately tell me anything
[02:03] <pitti> should even be the same kernel (trusty) on build and test
[02:06] <pitti> weird that .2 has never been run
[03:11] <slangasek> pitti: hmm ok.  I'm inclined to pass them to get this python3.4 SRU out, given that they passed on the package build; unless you see a reason not to
[03:11] <slangasek> sadly, one of the SRU-linked bugs is specifically about testsuite enablement
[03:12] <slangasek> (LP #1264554)
[03:21] <sunweaver> robert_ancell: hi!
[03:22] <sunweaver> I have just seen that you requested access to collab-maint a while ago.
[03:22]  * sunweaver writes with his Debian Frontdesk hat on.
[03:22] <sunweaver> You normally need a DD or a DM to sponsor such requests.
[03:25] <sunweaver> As I have seen various portions of your code (actually, in one of my upstream projects I have started forking Unity Greeter... ähemm...) I can imagine signing that request for you.
[03:25] <sunweaver> If you have a DD around you, who could send that mail, that would be more appropriate, though.
[04:27] <pitti> slangasek: FWIW, this reproduces perfectly well in local qemu, so it's not related to the production environment
[04:33] <slangasek> pitti: ok.  does it happen to also be reproducible with the ~14.04.1 package that previously passed?
[04:34] <hyperair> huh, collab-maint requires DD/DM sponsorship now?
[04:34]  * hyperair thought anyone could join collab-maint
[04:35] <pitti> slangasek: that's not published anywhere, but I'll re-run, fish out hte debs from LP and downgrade; hang on
[04:35] <Unit193> hyperair: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/08/msg00008.html
[04:37] <hyperair> i see
[04:37] <hyperair> thanks
[04:37] <Unit193> sure thing.
[04:37]  * hyperair should pay more attention to d-d-a
[04:39] <Unit193> Not actually subscribed, I follow via archives.
[04:45] <pitti> slangasek: nope, they fail the same way; kernel or underlying lib change?
[04:45] <slangasek> not too many other libs underneath
[05:59] <dholbach> good morning
[06:44] <tjaalton> is there a bug about nfs mounts not getting mounted on wily?
[06:44] <tjaalton> just installed a fresh machine and seeing this
[06:46] <tjaalton> seems like a race
[06:46] <tjaalton> trying to mount before it can resolv the server hostname
[07:01] <seb128> tjaalton, I didn't see one, doesn't mean there isn't though ;-)
[07:02] <seb128> dpm, pitti, wgrant, saw my question yesterday about evolution translations?
[07:02] <wgrant> seb128: Are you sure they haven't been imported and pruned already?
[07:02] <dpm> morning seb128
[07:03] <pitti> seb128: sorry, missed it
[07:03] <dpm> sorry, I didn't have the chance to look at it last night
[07:03] <seb128> wgrant, unsure
[07:03] <pitti> seb128: répéter SVP?
[07:03] <dpm> seb128, when did you do the manual import?
[07:03] <seb128> wgrant, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/wily/+source/evolution/+imports has no .po import listed
[07:03] <seb128> pitti, ^ why is that not importing the .po from the source
[07:03] <wgrant> https://translations.staging.launchpad.net/ubuntu/wily/+source/evolution/+imports
[07:03] <pitti> the "failed" you mean?
[07:03] <seb128> no
[07:03] <wgrant> There were some pot autoimports on the 15th
[07:04] <seb128> it doesn't import the actual upstream translations
[07:04] <seb128> I mean the translations
[07:04] <wgrant> What are the paths in the tarball?
[07:04] <seb128> not the template
[07:04]  * wgrant goes digging.
[07:04] <seb128> the template is fine
[07:04] <seb128> but e.g fr misses some 570 strings
[07:04] <seb128> where the package has the translations
[07:05] <dpm> seb128, hm, there still seem to be 2 templates. For which one did you do the manual import, for 'evolution' or 'evolution-3.16'?
[07:05] <seb128> dpm, I tried to upload a fr.po yesterday, but apparently nowadays launchpad rejected those if they are not tagged
[07:05] <seb128> dpm, I didn't do manual imports
[07:05] <dpm> seb128, I'll removed the '*-3.16' one now
[07:05] <seb128> thanks
[07:05] <seb128> there were 2 templates in the import queue
[07:05] <seb128> and I accepted them
[07:05] <wgrant> Downloading the tarball to investigate, will be a few minutes.
[07:05] <seb128> for some reason the default template name was -3.16
[07:05] <seb128> wgrant, thanks
[07:06] <dpm> yeah, it's a bit of a bummer that the template name is versioned, that doesn't go well with LP :/
[07:06] <dpm> we need to fix it every single release
[07:06] <dpm> same for e-d-s, IIRC
[07:06] <seb128> yeah, but we had fixed it
[07:06] <seb128> we discussed that in september if you remember
[07:07] <pitti> seb128: would it perhaps be more practical to patch evo to use an unversioned template name? or too much to patch?
[07:07] <tjaalton> uh, default crypted install creates a ridiculously small /boot (237M)
[07:07] <seb128> pitti, I guess we could
[07:08] <pitti> meh, bluez fails to install in a VM now
[07:08] <dpm> that'd help us in not having to manually do the changes every release in LP, then the templates would be imported correctly on a new release and avoid the duplicate templates
[07:09] <pitti> bluetoothd[1640]: Failed to access management interface
[07:09] <pitti> bluetoothd[1640]: Adapter handling initialization failed
[07:09] <pitti> and that fails apt
[07:09] <dpm> wgrant, I'm going to move the -3.16 template out of the way and fix the path on the 'evolution' template to point to 'po/evolution-3.16'
[07:09] <wgrant> dpm: Be wary of the POs, though.
[07:09] <wgrant> Those paths must match also, and they're not versioned.
[07:09] <wgrant> So if the current -3.16 template's POs have stolen the paths, we're in trouble.
[07:10] <pitti> ah, bug 1506774
[07:10] <dpm> wgrant, not sure if they have, if they have, then I'll just have some fun doing manual .po file approvals :/
[07:11] <wgrant> I wonder if the POs might have been skipped because they would have tried to import into the disabled template, or something.
[07:11] <seb128> dpm, well the .po are not in the queue atm
[07:11] <wgrant> There's nothing else obvious wrong.
[07:11] <dpm> but it seems they might not have, as the Catalan translation for -3.16 is empty
[07:12] <seb128> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/wily/+source/evolution-data-server/+imports
[07:12] <seb128> I guess that is buggy as well?
[07:12] <dpm> oh, the path is already 'po/evolution-3.16.pot' on the 'evolution' template, so it seems we had fixed it indeed
[07:12] <seb128> but that one only has one template
[07:12] <dpm> so I think the issue is that I still hadn't moved the 'evolution-3.16' template out of the way, so LP was seeing two differently named templates with the same path
[07:13] <wgrant> dpm: Where did you put the evolution-3.16 template?
[07:13] <wgrant> I can't find it now.
[07:13] <dpm> wgrant, I haven't put it anywhere yet
[07:13] <dpm> I was going to, though
[07:13] <dpm> wgrant, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/wily/+source/evolution/+pots/evolution-3.16/+edit
[07:13] <wgrant> Oh it helps if I don't typo it.
[07:14] <dpm> :)
[07:14] <dpm> wgrant, so I'm going to do this now with this template ^ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTranslationsCoordinators/Actions/LpTemplateAdministration#Moving_templates_out_of_the_way
[07:14] <wgrant> Hm.
[07:14] <wgrant> I'm a little surprised that it allows them both to have the same path...
[07:14] <wgrant> Yeah, moving it away is "fine" for now.
[07:19] <dpm> wgrant, seb128, done. I assume the next upload (manual or via packages) should import all translations fine. Looking at e-d-s now
[07:19] <seb128> dpm, before yesterday only one template was listed, I seemed to have created the other one by accepted  the .pot in the queue, but translations were not imported, did you change something wrong on the non -3.16 template?
[07:20] <dpm> seb128, for which package now, evolution or e-d-s?
[07:20] <seb128> evolution
[07:20] <seb128> e-d-s I didn't touch
[07:20] <seb128> so it's in a less confusing state
[07:20] <dpm> me neither
[07:20] <seb128> like no duplicate template there
[07:20] <dpm> seb128, I think here's what happened:
[07:21] <dpm> - evolution was fine: it had the right template name ('evolution') and the right path 'po/evolution-3.16'
[07:22] <dpm> - On manually approving the 'evolution-3.16' template in the queue, LP created the second, duplicate template, and named it 'evolution-3.16'
[07:22] <dpm> - Both templates had a path of 'po/evolution-3.16.pot', that's what LP looks at when importing the PO files and deciding where they should go
[07:22] <dpm> - On seeing that the evo source package had two templates with the same path, it didn't know what to do
[07:23] <dpm> that's my guess
[07:23] <seb128> k
[07:23] <seb128> well that can't be the issue with e-d-s
[07:23] <dpm> In general it's best not to manually approve - it might take a while, but LP will do the auto-approval
[07:23] <seb128> and that one also fails to import translations
[07:24] <dpm> yeah, I don't know what's up with e-d-s
[07:24] <dpm> it looks fine as far as I can tell
[07:24] <seb128> :-/
[07:24] <dpm> just one template, with the correct path
[07:24] <seb128> evolution was in the same state before I screwed up things yesterday
[07:24] <seb128> so I guess up for wgrant to debug on the launchpad side
[07:25] <dpm> let me try to do a manual upload myself
[07:51] <pete-woods> pitti: morning. I've got yet another bugfix for the network-manager template here: https://github.com/martinpitt/python-dbusmock/pull/16/files
[07:57] <dpm> wgrant, I tried to manually upload translations to the evolution template and got OOPS-7aeb70f9bcfa7221a50373627e365a97 - could you tell me if the upload was nevertheless successful, or should I do another upload?
[07:58] <wgrant> dpm: That was a timeout on the browser upload. You'll need to retry.
[07:59] <dpm> ok, retrying
[07:59] <dpm> still timeout :(
[07:59]  * dpm tries chromium
[08:01] <dpm> wgrant, hm, tried it with Chromium, similar result, but this time the upload was finished (Chromium showed me the percentage), but got LP "Timeout error" with OOPS-967981d90913c8f6e9b989c83b5fbdcd
[08:02] <wgrant> dpm: I suspect it's unlikely that such a large upload (many files, mostly) will succeed :/
[08:04] <dpm> wgrant, hm, so that effectively means that we cannot do manual translation uploads anymore? (i.e it's not uncommon for packages to have 40+ po files)
[08:04] <wgrant> dpm: This hasn't changed since 2011 or so.
[08:05] <dpm> wgrant, I've done manual uploads in the past, although the last one I did might have well been 1 or 2 years ago
[08:05] <wgrant> How many files in total does the tarball contain?
[08:05] <dpm> let me check
[08:05] <wgrant> The total data size also matters somewhat.
[08:05] <dpm> wgrant, 96 files, ~14MB
[08:06] <wgrant> Hmm.
[08:06] <dpm> well 14MB compressed, that is
[08:06] <wgrant> dpm: I can try increasing the timeout once sysadmins are a bit less tied up.
[08:08] <dpm> wgrant, or happy to provide the .tar.gz file if the translations can be uploaded in any way. seb128, I assume you tried a manual upload because we cannot do uploads so close to the release date, was your tarball as big as mine and did it not time out?
[08:10] <seb128> dpm, I only tried to upload the fr.po but at first it's because I though french translations were outdated for some reason
[08:10] <seb128> dpm, wgrant, what's the next step to figure out why e.g e-d-s is not importing translations from package uploads?
[08:10] <wgrant> dpm: There's no other way.
[08:10] <wgrant> seb128: I need to find time to look through the uploader to work out why the files are being skipped.
[08:10] <wgrant> They don't meet the obvious blocking criteria.
[08:10] <pitti> pete-woods: ah, thanks! note that wily is in final freeze, this might not land any more
[08:10] <dpm> seb128, oh, I can just do the fr.po upload for test, that shouldn't time out
[08:11] <seb128> dpm, I could as well, I just need to add a tag so launchpad doesn't reject it
[08:11] <seb128> since apparently there was some feature added to block upload of non-launchpad-exported .po files
[08:11] <seb128> or import of those rather
[08:11] <seb128> dpm, but I'm not really interested in fixing french only
[08:12] <dpm> seb128, yes, or if you upload it in a tarball together with the .pot file it should work, though
[08:12] <dpm> seb128, well, but at least that will confirm whether the deduplication of the template worked
[08:13] <seb128> dpm, e-d-s has no template duplication and the same issue
[08:13] <seb128> but yeah
[08:16] <dpm> seb128, yeah, as I said, after looking at it, I don't know what I could possibly do with e-d-s, but it'd be good to confirm if evolution uploads are workin
[08:16] <dpm> g
[08:16] <dpm> :)
[08:16] <seb128> +1
[08:17] <dpm> seb128, wgrant, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/wily/+source/evolution/+imports - I uploaded the 3 files, will be watching in the next couple of hours if the importer does its work
[08:18] <pete-woods> pitti: the stable overlay ppa is open for both vivid and wily now
[08:18] <pete-woods> so you can land it there for both series?
[08:18] <pete-woods> I think the plan is then to migrate all the wily packages from the PPA into X
[08:54] <infinity> sitter: Around?
[08:55] <sitter> infinity: yes
[08:55] <infinity> sitter: Looking at your ubuntu-release-upgrader upload.  If you're hitting a 403 for the release notes, that might be a bug on our end? :P
[08:55] <infinity> sitter: Do you have the URL it's reuqesting?
[08:55] <infinity> requesting, too...
[08:56] <infinity> Oh, or it might be the new python-versus-urllib mandatory ceritificate verification thing, if it's https.
[08:57] <sitter> infinity: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/wily/main/dist-upgrader-all/current/DevelReleaseAnnouncement.html?lang=en_US&os=ubuntu&ver=15.10
[08:57] <Laney> BTW I accepted it but will leave it blocked in the hope that we can fix it this end
[08:59] <infinity> sitter: urllib gets a 403 on that?  That makes no sense...
[09:00] <sitter> tell me about it :P
[09:01] <rbasak> hallyn_: you just need a DD to sponsor your netcf FTBFS fix, right, and then we can sync it in?
[09:01] <sitter> I also tried with the vivid URL and that also yields 403, so I am not convinced this actually ever worked (I think I switched to the HTML URI in vivid)
[09:01] <rbasak> hallyn_: maybe doko can help with that if xnox is unavailable?
[09:03] <sitter> infinity: it should be 100% reproducible with python3-pyqt5 installed and sudo do-release-upgrade -m desktop -f DistUpgradeViewKDE
[09:03] <Laney> In [9]: urllib.request.urlopen('http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/wily/main/dist-upgrader-all/current/DevelReleaseAnnouncement.html?lang=en_US&os=ubuntu&ver=15.10').code
[09:03] <Laney> Out[9]: 200
[09:03] <sitter> sudo do-release-upgrade -m desktop -f DistUpgradeViewKDE -d even
[09:09] <sitter> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12875585/
[09:09] <sitter> oh god
[09:10] <sitter> Laney, infinity: it's apt-cacher intercepting and mangling the request
[09:11] <Laney> ...
[09:11] <infinity> sitter: Right, deleting from proposed then? :P
[09:11] <sitter> infinity: yes please
[09:12] <sitter> infinity: also SRU 1:<IP_ADDRESS> from vivid-proposed
[09:14] <infinity> sitter: Both gone.
[09:14] <sitter> thanks and sorry for the noise
[09:16] <Laney> sitter: Might be worth an apt-cacher bug though
[09:25] <sitter> yup, but 1507953
[09:25] <sitter> bug 1507953
[09:26] <rsalveti> apw: were you able to check my latest upload for rtl8812au? license should be fine now
[09:27] <apw> rsalveti, ahh not seen it will have a look
[09:27] <rsalveti> apw: cool, thanks
[09:53] <dholbach> Laney, could it be that http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ is broken?
[09:54] <Laney> ES KANN NICHT SEIN
[09:54] <Laney> ah crap :)
[09:54] <Laney> can you run it manually and see what happens?
[09:54] <Laney> I changed to the devel api - maybe needs re-authing?
[09:55] <dholbach> hum
[09:57] <Laney> I thought I checked after pushing that it was working...
[09:57]  * Laney sucks
[09:57] <dholbach> no you don't
[10:14] <apw> rsalveti, i assume you have a device and have tested the resulting binaries from this source ?
[10:18] <jamespage> pitti, I think we can drop golang-go.net-dev source package - the new source package has a transitional package for golang-go.net-dev
[10:22] <dholbach> Laney, "No such source package: 'ubuntu-cve-tracker'."
[10:22] <Laney> huh
[10:22] <Laney> let me look at this
[10:30] <rsalveti> apw: yup, that's how I'm accessing internet here :-)
[10:31] <pitti> jamespage: oh, indeed; I'll remove the old one then, thanks
[10:31] <jamespage> pitti, np - thankyou
[10:33] <pitti> jamespage: done
[10:35] <infinity> rsalveti: Accepted.
[10:35] <rsalveti> infinity: apw: awesome, thanks
[10:36] <infinity> rsalveti: Sorry about the delay but, hey, I promised it would make the release, and here you are. ;)
[10:36] <rsalveti> infinity: haha, indeed, thanks man
[11:59] <Laney> dholbach: hopefully fixed...
[12:32] <rsalveti> infinity: just missing the bin new approval now :-)
[12:57] <Laney> dholbach: ya, it's up to date
[12:57] <Laney> and quite large :/
[12:57] <Laney> part of that is because my new code picks up more branches now
[13:06] <dholbach> Laney, does that mean I should run it a bit less often now?
[13:06] <Laney> dholbach: nope, it means we should clean out more stuff
[13:06] <dholbach> right
[13:06] <Laney> I mean large in terms of number of items
[13:07] <dholbach> I'll send a mail to u-devel
[13:07] <dholbach> asking for some last-minute cleanup and stuff we want in as opposed to getting it in via sru
[13:31] <rbasak> Is there a component-mismatches report for movements from main to universe?
[13:31] <rbasak> python-jingo is in main, but AFAICT isn't seeded or pulled in by a seed.
[13:32]  * rbasak isn't sure what he's missing
[13:34] <cjwatson> That's kind of what the component-mismatches report is.
[13:34] <rbasak> That's what I thought, but I don't understand why python-jingo doesn't appear in there.
[13:34] <cjwatson> It's a build-dependency of python-django-compressor.
[13:35] <rbasak> But http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.wily/rdepends/python-jingo/python-jingo doesn't seem to go any further than that - doesn't end up at a seed?
[13:35] <cjwatson> That'd just be a bug in the rdepends output
[13:36] <cjwatson> Follow to http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.wily/rdepends/python-django-compressor/
[13:36] <cjwatson> Then http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.wily/rdepends/python-django-compressor/python-compressor gets you a seed
[13:37] <rbasak> Ah OK, that is what I was missing. I assumed that no rdepends output meant that python-django-compressor was in universe.
[13:37] <rbasak> Thanks.
[13:51] <hallyn_> rbasak: i think xnox did it last night, but thanks
[13:57] <xnox> hallyn_: well, and it was rejected cause i uploaded the old one, instead of the new one.
[13:57] <xnox> hallyn_: i re-uploaded again this morning
[13:57] <xnox> hallyn_: you should have accept email about it.
[13:59] <hallyn_> xnox: thanks.  yeah i saw that reject last night, but this morning saw the package list on mentors was empty, so assumed you'd pushe dit
[14:02] <rbasak> hallyn_: thanks. Not sure what that means to fix the FTBFS in Ubuntu though. Is that upload suitable to sync during final freeze?
[14:03] <xnox> hallyn_: Serge Hallyn <serge<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:03] <xnox> netcf_0.2.8-1_source.changes ACCEPTED into unstable
[14:03] <hallyn_> rbasak: did i not push a fix for the ftbfs to ubuntu?
[14:03] <hallyn_> maybe i didn't, as i was waiting fo rhtis
[14:04] <xnox> hallyn_: and https://tracker.debian.org/news/720083 with as almost built everywhere https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=netcf
[14:04] <rbasak> hallyn_: not that I'm aware of but maybe I'm missing something?
[14:05] <hallyn_> rbasak: prolly not.  i can push the minimal fix.
[14:05] <rbasak> OK. Thanks!
[14:06] <xnox> hallyn_: so... are you ready to be a DM with upload right to the package just by yourself in debian?
[14:06] <hallyn_> xnox: was replying to email.  i am, i had asked slangasek about that for netcf+cgmanager
[14:06] <hallyn_> (but he's pretty busy :)
[14:06] <xnox> hallyn_: yeah interviewing people
[14:06] <hallyn_> heh
[14:07] <xnox> lol
[14:07] <hallyn_> suppose it could be worse, i.e. if no applicants
[14:07] <xnox> hallyn_: i guess i should sign your key as well to get you into the debian web of trust.
[14:07] <xnox> hallyn_: well, i don't know. looking at canonical job feed the foundation postings seems to be ever open.
[14:08] <hallyn_> xnox: at fosdem maybe?
[14:08] <xnox> hallyn_: i think i said i would, but i didn't i don't think
[14:08] <xnox> hallyn_: my main key is offline, so i'll need another location based reminder to do it.
[14:10] <hallyn_> not sure what that means -s end you a postcard? :)
[14:20] <pitti> dholbach: uh, MPs from 2012 ;)
[14:20]  * pitti cleans up a bit
[14:20] <dholbach> time to reject :)
[14:20] <dholbach> thanks pitti!
[14:27] <bdmurray> pitti: there seem to be some outstanding language-pack SRUs - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-pack-ja. infinity mentioned you usually take care of them...
[14:28] <pitti> bdmurray: yes, these are the ones that didn't get tested, so we never published them (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/LanguagePackUpdatesQA)
[14:29] <bdmurray> pitti: bug 1311396 mentions testing ja.
[14:31] <pitti> dholbach: what was that fix, btw? all those MPs like https://code.launchpad.net/~soren/nova/essex-stable-catchup/+merge/108049 are *not* against ubuntu
[14:31] <pitti> bdmurray: ah, thanks!
[14:32] <Laney> pitti: It lists all merges that uploading teams can do
[14:33] <Laney> so ~ubuntu-server-dev has to take care of this MP
[14:33] <pitti> Laney: that seems a bit excessive
[14:33] <Laney> well it's a merge proposal that has been ignored for years
[14:33] <pitti> Laney: well, maybe it's just because of all the old cruft and it'll get useful in the future
[14:33] <Laney> which is pretty crap for the person that proposed it
[14:33] <Laney> at least now it is in a list
[14:33] <pitti> *nod*
[14:33] <pitti> but most sponsors won't be able to actually do such a thing
[14:34] <pitti> i. e. merge into a non-ubuntu branch
[14:34] <pitti> it woudln't actually land anywhere
[14:34] <pitti> and most folks won't have commit rights either
[14:34] <Laney> well their review is requested
[14:34] <Laney> one way to close it is to deal with that one way or another
[14:36] <Laney> It's still tied to upload rights - i.e. core-devs should be able to take care of the MPs there
[14:37] <Laney> should be more useful after we clean up all these old ones at the top
[14:38] <Laney> jamespage: can your team help us to clear out the ancient openstack MPs that I just made come up on http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ maybe? :)
[14:38] <Laney> or should we mass-reject them all, or something?
[14:41] <pitti> Laney: I'm going through invidividually ATM
[14:41] <pitti> Laney: and check if they were already uploaded through some different means, are obsolete, etc.
[14:42] <pitti> e. g. the ubuntu-server test cases have some fairly recent commits by cyphermox; not sure if that is still a thing, I thought we moved everything to autopkgtest
[14:42] <pitti> but I'd keep these for now
[14:43] <Laney> yeah, we have those still for the iso smoke testing
[14:44] <Laney> pending -> current thingy
[14:45] <cyphermox> pitti: that still was used for the pending-current job
[14:45] <cyphermox> yep
[14:45] <cyphermox> and I intend to fix it harder during the X cycle.
[14:51] <pete-woods> pitti: found another bug in the settings management of the NM template: https://github.com/pete-woods/python-dbusmock/pull/7/files
[14:52] <pete-woods> (hmm, I think I stacked the changes badly :$)
[14:55] <pitti> Laney: ah, e. g. https://code.launchpad.net/~adri2000/python-heatclient/bash-completion/+merge/254921 is the first that actaully seems good and relevant :)
[14:56] <Laney> sorry for the noise :(
[14:56] <Laney> we would have not missed e.g. https://code.launchpad.net/~logan/ubuntu-gnome-default-settings/eog-override/+merge/259707 if we had this earlier
[14:57] <pitti> Laney: yeah, seems good overall -- we just need to get the relevant teams to actually look at this
[14:57] <Adri2000> pitti: interesting, I completely forgot about that :)
[15:14] <xclaesse> mardy, after upgrade 15.04->15.10 my google account disappeared from evolution
[15:14] <xclaesse> mardy, it's still configured in UOA
[15:33] <jamespage> Laney, yeah - I'll look
[15:34] <Laney> jamespage: thanks - pitti said he'd closed a load too
[15:39] <mardy> xclaesse: is evolution enabled there (in the account)?
[15:41] <xclaesse> mardy, yes
[15:42] <xclaesse> mardy, just rebooted now, and my account is back...
[15:42] <xclaesse> hm, but it re-download all my emails :(
[15:43] <mardy> xclaesse: did you install some additional package meanwhile?
[15:44] <xclaesse> nothing related to evolution
[15:44] <Riddell> mvo: this ok? seems to contain a suspicious amount of noise http://launchpadlibrarian.net/221784898/ubuntu-release-upgrader_1%3A15.10.11_1%3A15.10.12.diff.gz
[15:48] <mvo> Riddell: that looks ok, the demotion detection is automatcially run during build
[15:49] <Riddell> mvo: thanks, accepted
[15:50] <infinity> Riddell: I rejected it, actually. :P
[15:51] <infinity> Riddell: And you accepted it from the rejected queue?
[15:51] <infinity> Riddell: rly?
[15:51] <Riddell> um, I'm pretty sure I didn't
[15:51] <Riddell> why was it rejected?
[15:51] <infinity> Riddell: Your email explained it. :P
[15:52] <infinity> Riddell: The .11 changes weren't reverted.
[15:52] <infinity> Riddell: Despite .11 being explicitly removed from -proposed as a bad change.
[15:52] <infinity> Riddell: So, please give me a .13? :P
[15:55] <Riddell> infinity: ah, someone didn't update bzr, I'll do that now
[16:21] <chiluk> infinity https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1481490 has now dropped into -updates for linux-lts-utopic, are you going to have time to integrate those kernels?
[16:22] <infinity> chiluk: I can find time, probably, but also in the middle of release week, so a bit swamped.
[16:27] <dholbach> can somebody moderate my mail to u-d-a@ through?
[16:27] <cjwatson> dholbach: done
[16:27] <dholbach> thanks!
[16:30] <coreycb> arges, can you reject horizon from the vivid upload queue?  we have an update coming to that.
[16:30] <arges> coreycb: ok
[16:30] <chiluk> infinity: yeah I figured as much.. just wanted to remind you.
[16:30] <coreycb> arges, thanks
[16:30] <arges> coreycb: done
[16:42] <rbasak> doko: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/test-rebuild-20151001/+build/8057346 should succeed with the python-django in Wily now. Not sure if that'll get synced from Wily to the test archive?
[16:42] <infinity> pitti: You still around?
[16:44] <cjwatson> rbasak: that would only be needed if the fix was in python-jingo - the test rebuild uses the primary archive for its build-deps
[16:44] <cjwatson> rbasak: I've retried that build
[16:51] <cjwatson> (and built)
[17:02] <rbasak> cjwatson: ah. Thanks!
[17:32] <hallyn_> ok an glib ppl around who could tell my why the string "/user.slice/user-1000.slice/session-1.scope" (read from a procfile with getline()) would be used as "[Invalid UTF-8]" ?
[17:45] <hallyn_> d'oh
[17:45] <hallyn_> nm
[17:58] <rcj> arges, Where are the directions for building the kernel package?  I need to build wily patched with https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/8/11/742 to see if my external thinkpad keyboard starts scrolling again.
[18:00] <rcj> arges, I'm asking because I'm finding 4 different kernel wiki pages and can't recall which is the right one to build the same code you'd get from installing the wily kernel
[18:18] <arges> rcj: patch it, ensure you have deps installed and run 'dpkg-buildpackage -d' (that will be _everything_)
[18:18] <arges> rcj: i do 'make deb-pkg -jN' for quick local packages though
[18:23] <rcj> arges, thanks
[20:09] <smoser> anyone know how to make systemd not switch vts back and forth during boot ?
[20:10] <smoser> i'm booting a system like:
[20:12] <smoser>  qemu-system-x86_64 -enable-kvm -device virtio-net-pci,netdev=net00 -netdev type=user,id=net00 -m 1024 -curses -drive file=boot.img,if=virtio -kernel my.kernel -initrd my.initrd -append 'root=/dev/vda1 console=ttyS0'
[20:13] <smoser> and it quite obnoxiously flipps back and forth between vts. i'd like to be able to use the scrollback buffer (shift pg-up). but since vts have been switched thats gone.
[20:15] <arges> smoser: could you add 'vga=current' to kernel cmdline?
[20:15] <smoser> will try
[20:15] <barry> bdmurray: say, could you take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~barry/ubuntu-release-upgrader/lp1485093 - it might be too late for wily, but i'd like to get it in asap for x so i can upload a fixed pex package
[20:16] <smoser> arges, seems like systemd thinks i want to look at the seabios information.
[20:17] <smoser> $ cat /proc/cmdline
[20:17] <smoser> root=/dev/vda1 ds=nocloud-net;seedfrom=http://<IP_ADDRESS>:40885/ console=ttyS0
[20:17] <smoser>  vga=current
[20:17] <bdmurray> barry: I'll have a look.
[20:24] <barry> bdmurray: thanks