[00:00] <mojtaba> Do I need to do something before that?
[00:00] <keelG> an pop3/imap email client or just send an email with smtp?
[00:00] <mojtaba> I just got dead.letter in my home directory
[00:01] <mojtaba> I want to send it via my gmail
[00:01] <mojtaba> keelG: I just want to use my gmail account
[00:01] <mojtaba> I guess it is imap.
[00:01] <keelG> mojtaba: Im afraid I have no expereince with a cmdline based email client or any other client which will allow you to do that. However It wouldnt surprise me it existed :)
[00:02] <mojtaba> actually I want to use command line one, because finally I want to set a task with cron to email the external IP address of the server remotely on a daily basis
[00:03] <keelG> mojtaba: check this out: http://www.fclose.com/b/linux/1411/sending-email-from-mailx-command-in-linux-using-gmails-smtp/
[00:03] <mojtaba> I know how to get the external ip address of the server via cmd
[00:03] <JPeterson> how do i mov ethe unity launch bar to the bottom?
[00:03] <dr_willis> JPeterson:  short answer.. you dont./
[00:03] <k1l_> JPeterson: that is not ment to happen
[00:04] <keelG> Mark Shuttleworth is slightly "Steve Jobs" when it comes to the unity bar
[00:04] <dr_willis> there used to be unofficial and crashy mods/hacks one could use.. but not seen those mentioned in ages.
[00:04] <mojtaba> keelG: I will take a look. thanks
[00:04] <RollinV2> keelG, slightly? lol
[00:04] <k1l_> if you want unity not to be like unity, just dont use unity. thats it :/
[00:04] <keelG> I was only putting it mildly ;)
[00:04] <dr_willis> you can always run some other docks if you wanted
[00:04] <vulte> hello all, I edited /etc/fstab so it would auto mount a CIFS network volume.. with the line for that CIFS volume, the system hangs on boot due to CIFS being unable to mount the network share. is there some way to delay the mount until some point later in boot?
[00:05] <dr_willis> along with unity
[00:05] <keelG> Yea, make unity autohide and run AWN or docky or whatever
[00:05] <Noskcaj> is it possible to use opencl with the mesa drivers?
[00:05] <RollinV2> they won't even let unity be docked to the right or bottom edge of the screen. its beyond a slap in the face to customization.
[00:05] <JPeterson> neither were you
[00:05] <dr_willis> vulte:  i think theres some waiting option for cifs.  or just set it to noauto , then mount it from rc.local after some delay so you know the system is up and ready
[00:05] <RollinV2> plank is good dock.
[00:06] <k1l_> RollinV2: before going to judge read about the history of the gnome2. :/
[00:06] <dr_willis> ive seen more issues with users messing things up with their customizations  then i want to mention...
[00:06] <keelG> Plank looks awesome
[00:07] <vulte> dr_willis: is noauto an argument i can put in the share's line in /etc/fstab?
[00:07] <dr_willis> vulte:  yes.
[00:07] <RollinV2> k1l_, gnome2 was forked too much. i get it. doesn't excuse unity's complete lack of customization options.
[00:07] <vulte> dr_willis: thanks
[00:07] <bakers> I just packaged up a game, can someone tell if this runs for you? http://www.perturb.org/tmp/shivah.tar.gz
[00:07] <dr_willis> night all..
[00:08] <IveBeenBit> I am having problems installing Ubuntu in a dual boot with Windows 7. The partition editor does not recognize any of my hard drives, and then the installer crashes. Does anyone feel like helping me in #ubuntu-beginners?
[00:08] <k1l_> RollinV2: no, there is a very famous citation from linus torvalds about the customizations from gnome2.
[00:08] <keelG> bakers: I normally wouldn't mind helping out the next guy with his pet project. But why don't you test your code yourself
[00:08] <k1l_> so judging unity in that way is not to be true about the gnome2 itself.
[00:09] <RollinV2> i've read linus option on gnome3. never saw his gnome2 rants.
[00:09] <bakers> keelG: I tested it on fedora, and I want an ubuntu test
[00:09] <bakers> keelG: I'm testing if the binary I made is cross distro compatible
[00:09] <keelG> bakers: I get that, why not just live ubuntu and test it?
[00:09] <tronnix> ivebeenbit i;m over there
[00:09] <bakers> keelG: I could do that!
[00:10] <k1l_> RollinV2: kk :/
[00:10] <RollinV2> he is right about tweak tool
[00:10] <keelG> RollinV2: I guess you have seen the Mechanig project ?
[00:11] <hehateme> hello wine 1.5.5 wont show up in the repository. only 1.5.2
[00:11] <RollinV2> keelG, i can't keep up with everything. googling it now.
[00:13] <RollinV2> keelG, looks useful. should come built into the distro.
[00:14] <nibbler> anyone good with digikam? i'm importing my pics which i managed with f-spot before. the tags, which seems to be saved in the xmp/Subject field, are comma sperated. now when importing it sometimes gives me several distinct tags, and for some pictures only one long tag, including several commas... how to control this?
[00:15] <Noskcaj> am i able to se open cl with the open-source drivers?
[00:16] <Noskcaj> *use
[00:16] <allan_> hello
[00:16] <Nekosan> anyone know if this will work with 12.04? http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-USB-Webcam-5MP-50-0M-Camera-Stand-Mic-6-LED-for-Laptop-PC-Mac-Linux-/290849463013?ssPageName=ADME:X:AAQ:US:1123
[00:16] <keelG> RollinV2:  Yea. From what I could tell they forked with Ubuntu Tweak and are trying to package it slightly more userfriendly. Beats CSSM thats for sure!
[00:16] <allan_> anyone here willing to help out a linux noob?
[00:17] <keelG> allan_:  if you state your problem, with adequate details I am certain someone will :)
[00:18] <RollinV2> use paste.ubuntu.com if your problem is multiline
[00:19] <allan_> in the ubuntu software center the buttons and words keep glitching. it seems the glitch is only visual, but its rather annoying and I dont know anything about linux to fix it
[00:19] <tronnix> are you running a live distro?
[00:19] <tronnix> or installed?
[00:19] <allan_> no
[00:19] <allan_> I am dual booting however.
[00:19] <chamunks> I'm slightly concerned about this output http://puu.sh/1T9dU  can someone make sure I'm not worried over nothing.
[00:20] <allan_> installed.
[00:20] <chamunks> the output is apt-get response to an install I'm trying to run http://puu.sh/1T9dU
[00:20] <tronnix> install synaptic package manager, and use software center minimally
[00:21] <allan_> also I am having some issues getting steam to install. Im using 12.10
[00:21] <keelG> allan_: what tronnix said - however, does the problem exist in a Guest session or if you login as another user?
[00:21] <allan_> I'm trying to decide whether or not I want to use this instead of windows 7, or just run along side.
[00:21] <hehateme> ive added  ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa and it just has 1.5.2 not 1.5.5
[00:22] <allan_> It exists on my main account. No idea about guest sessions.
[00:22] <chamunks> does anyone thing that it would be safe for me to restart this server after seeing this Its my first time on this server.
[00:23] <CraftyBanardo> Hi Guys, can anyone help me with a samba issue. I feel like I've been banging my head against the wall for the last 2-3 hours.
[00:33] <waspinator> can anyone see the footer here in firefox? http://www.cssreset.com/demos/layouts/how-to-keep-footer-at-bottom-of-page-with-css/
[00:34] <waspinator> doesn't show up in FF 18.0.1
[00:34] <waspinator> but it does on windows ...
[00:34] <hipitihop> waspinator, ok on 17.01 linux
[00:35] <hanlond> Is this an appropriate place to ask questions about ubuntu server?
[00:36] <jrib> hanlond: yes, and there's also #ubuntu-server.  Either channel is fine
[00:36] <k1l_> hanlond: you can ask here. but there is #ubuntu-server, too
[00:36] <hipitihop> waspinator, sorry too quick a nd was running a windows vb here, meant to say, ff 18.0.1 on windows is ok
[00:36] <k1l_> jrib: *5* :)
[00:36] <jrib> k1l_: at least I'm fairly certain I've said the right thing now ;)
[00:36] <waspinator> ya works for me on windows too...
[00:37] <hipitihop> waspinator, but it is also fine on 18.0.1 on buntu (lts)
[00:38] <waspinator> I'm on 12.10 x32. strange
[00:39] <keelG> waspinator: also ok on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>- if its the "tear footer" thing
[00:42] <waspinator> oh doh!  I have two screens 1920x1080 and 1920x1200, and when I moved my FF window from the bigger one to the smaller one it looked like it was full screen but it wasn't. the bottom was just being cut off
[00:44] <keelG> waspinator: is it getting late by any chance? ;)
[00:44] <hehateme> what is Xlib/Xfree86?
[00:45] <Cyber_Akuma> Installing Ubuntu to a usb drive right now... though I want to know what would be the best way to install 3rd party drivers since i've never done it before, especially Nvidia's
[00:45] <Cyber_Akuma> I assume since nvidia's drivers are binaries they won't be avaliable in teh reposotories
[00:45] <waspinator> keelG, unfortunately it's not so I can't blame it on that. guess I am tired though. thanks for your help
[00:47] <dbrom> hello all. question: I would like to compress my files and use as little space as I can. I am using tar at the moment but when I use tar.gz I have been told that there is a change that i can loose data ... whats my options
[00:47] <escott> dbrom, tar doesnt compress and no
[00:47] <josesierra> Hello... I have a recurring issue that I hope someone can help me troubleshoot.
[00:47] <keelG> tar is a container, and doesn't compress
[00:47] <dbrom> Cyber_Akuma: : are you using a gui
[00:47] <josesierra> My connection to the internet is intermittent.  Every couple of minutes it stops loading pages or connecting...
[00:48] <josesierra> then after a few seconds it reconnects
[00:48] <josesierra> well, more like thirty seconds
[00:48] <dbrom> when I make a tar ball its not compressed
[00:48] <josesierra> I'm using wireless right now, but it happens even if the connection is wired...
[00:48] <keelG> josesierra: does it happen on another machine as well?
[00:48] <josesierra> it's super annoying, and it happens all the dang time.
[00:49] <escott> dbrom, usually when someone says tarball they mean a tar.gz/tgz file which is compressed but a plain tar archive is not compressed
[00:49] <josesierra> keelG, I have several machines on this network.  It happens on my laptop as well (ubuntu) but it doesn't happen on the two windows machines on the network
[00:49] <josesierra> the two windows machines, one is wired and one is wireless, and they don't have any issues (aside from being windows, of course)
[00:50] <keelG> josesierra: does the network disconnect if you run ping to <IP_ADDRESS> i.e.?
[00:50] <josesierra> my other ubuntu laptop has the same issue but I've only tried connecting via wireless.
[00:51] <josesierra> keelG, lemme check
[00:51] <keelG> josesierra: do you see the network reconnecting in the top panel?
[00:51] <josesierra> keelG, negative.  there's no visual indication of the issue.
[00:52] <keelG> josesierra: run the ping
[00:52] <josesierra> keelG, just pinged <IP_ADDRESS> and it's pinging pretty consistently at 30-40ms... with a bump to 160ms once in a while
[00:52] <keelG> but no disconnects?
[00:52] <josesierra> negative
[00:52] <keelG> are you using google chrome or chromium browsers by any chance?
[00:53] <josesierra> yes I am...
[00:53] <Jpmh> usually when I install from my usb stick it offers me the choice of install side-by-side with Windoze - on Compaqs it does not - is this because they set the partition table too small?
[00:53] <josesierra> chrome
[00:53] <josesierra> I have the issue with FF as well though...?
[00:53] <keelG> josesierra: I would guess its a DNS relates issue or an issue with dnsmasq
[00:53] <josesierra> (that was my first attempt at troubleshooting...)
[00:53] <escott> Jpmh, a lot of laptops are shipping these days with 4 primary partitions. you need to convert one to extended or delete one
[00:54] <josesierra> keelG, how can I fix it?
[00:54] <keelG> josesierra: are you using a local DNS server?
[00:55] <josesierra> keelG, not that I know of... I mean, no, I don't have a DNS running at my house
[00:55] <keelG> josesierra: check your DNS settings and try changing them to another knowgood
[00:55] <Jpmh> escott: that's what I suspected - do not really want to delete one - how can I convert one to an extended one?
[00:55] <Jpmh> escott: actually is there any way I can re-partition without damaging what is on there?
[00:56] <escott> Jpmh, yes. the easiest way is probably to install gdisk and then convert to gpt and then convert back to msdos
[00:56] <keelG> josesierra: if that still fails, we can try to disable dnsmasq
[00:56] <josesierra> keelG I hate to be this noobtastic, but I have no idea how to do that.  Wireless settings?
[00:56] <Jpmh> escott: can you point me at some instructions for beginners on that - I am linux competant but this is all new to me
[00:57] <keelG> josesierra: yes :) http://askubuntu.com/questions/2321/what-is-the-proper-way-to-change-the-dns-ip
[00:57] <josesierra> keelG: thank you!  attempting now...
[00:57] <escott> Jpmh, i dont know of any written instructions for this. it doesnt really matter what you do to the partition table as long as your end result has the partitions starting and ending at the same LBA
[00:58] <snow_> its your router thats the blame, check its settings
[00:58] <hanlond> #ubuntu-server
[00:59] <Jpmh> escott: what tool would I use to creat a new partition table then with more partitions - or for that matter to change one to an extended one.  If I change one to extended will Windoze object?
[00:59] <josesierra> keelG... I'm not sure what DNS to set it to?  Should I run DNS locally...?
[00:59] <escott> Jpmh, you can use whatever you want. parted, gdisk, sfdisk, gparted
[00:59] <keelG> josesierra: set it to <IP_ADDRESS> for testing (googles DNS)
[00:59] <escott> Jpmh, whatever you are comfortable with
[01:00] <josesierra> keelg: roger
[01:00] <Jpmh> escott: ty so much - I am comfortable with parted - but if I convert one of the existing partitions will Windoze complain?
[01:01] <escott> Jpmh, i dont think so but i dont know much about windows. i think it doesnt like to boot its main partition on an extended partition
[01:01] <keelG> Jpmh: Windoze just reads the partition table and displays your drives :)
[01:01] <Jpmh> escott: ty - I will make the "recovery" partition extended then
[01:02] <keelG> Jpmh: Unless something goes wrong that is ;)
[01:02] <escott> Jpmh, that would probably defeat the purpose of the partition
[01:02] <Jpmh> keelG: I want to do a side-by-side for someone who I think will change to ubuntu but dare not take away windoze immediately
[01:03] <escott> Jpmh, just give them a usb live system
[01:03] <escott> Jpmh, of setup a virtualbox system
[01:03] <keelG> that shouldn't be a problem - however I must admit I don't know what will happen if you move or change the recovery partition or if even grub is capable of detecting and adding a boot entry to this
[01:03] <josesierra> keelG wierdly enough, it seems to be working pretty darned good right now... no drops so far, and I would've had several drops in this amount of time
[01:04] <josesierra> and fast.  way faster than it was.
[01:04] <snow_> @jpmh; I am thinging that rezising is the only safest repartitioning you can do, but i think if you're talking about repartitioning that there is no way to test it out other that have a back up set else where for safety
[01:04] <josesierra> keelG thank you!!!
[01:04] <Jpmh> escott: the live usb is just too slow on a low-end compaq and the same thing for a virtual box - this is one of the reasons he should be using ubuntu
[01:05] <keelG> josesierra: np :) I dont know what is wrong in your network, that would cause this to be a problem only on your ubuntu boxes and not affect windows though
[01:05] <escott> Jpmh, i dont know why the liveusb would be much slower
[01:05] <Jpmh> escott: I occasionally run off the live usb - it is VERY slow compared to a real disk
[01:06] <hplc> the server version of ubuntu, how is bind set by default? to serve localhost? localdomain? or not set at all?
[01:06] <snow_> it's your usb port maybe
[01:06] <keelG> Jpmh: flashdrives have limitations in read IO, also if its old and used that could cause it to be slower than "normal"
[01:06] <Jpmh> snow_: I don't think so - the system even tells you that to run full speed install to hard disk
[01:07] <keelG> Jpmh: limitations in IO = drive vary in speeds :)
[01:07] <escott> Jpmh, that would be slow to start programs and boot, but it should be the same speed to run programs, unless you are concerned about boot performance
[01:07] <Jpmh> keelG: I think it may be the squashfs - but eitherway - him running that way is not the way to change him
[01:08] <Jpmh> escott: I agree - and it is slow boot and slow load of programs that I see - so we are on the same track
[01:08] <pravuz> Hey! Anyone else having issues with nvidia powermizer? Mine is on adaptive, but stuck on the highest performance level. my gpu is burning up:S
[01:09] <keelG> Jpmh: Are you comfortable with converting to GPT and UEFI booting? Then you can just make all partitions primary. However this might still break the MS recovery partition
[01:10] <Jpmh> keelG: I have absolutely no idea about GPT or UEFI - so probably no
[01:10] <escott> keelG, i dont think windows will boot if you convert
[01:10] <keelG> escott: point taken, dont listen to me Jpmh
[01:11] <keelG> or well
[01:11] <JPeterson> how do i change the `dpkg -l`desired state from purge to insatlled?
[01:11] <Jpmh> keelG: ty - and I appreciate the laugh I got from you telling me to igmore YOU
[01:11] <escott> keelG, that said converting to gpt and back was the way i first suggested keelG attack the problem its very easy to do
[01:12] <keelG> escott: I am actually almost certain windows doesnt care.. Since its GRUBs job to kick windows into starting up at that part of the boot process
[01:12] <allan_> does anyone know if Ubuntu is designed to properly take advantage of quad+ core processors?
[01:12] <Cyber_Akuma> I just did a fresh install of Ubuntu, and I dunno if this is normal or not, but it can't seem to tell when I am clicking on a window that is over another window. If I click an option for example and it opens a window, I can't click on anything in that window, it keeps clicking on the items that are beind that window
[01:13] <escott> keelG, no windows absolutely cares. its completely different
[01:13] <keelG> escott: also win7 is HAL independent, and I dont think its even changed, other than ACPI calls
[01:13] <escott> allan_, only version 2.0+
[01:13] <linuxman44> Cyber_Akuma, lol
[01:13] <linuxman44> bizzare stuff
[01:13] <allan_> >.> so 12.10 would be able to then?
[01:13] <keelG> escott: I wish I could put it to the test! :)
[01:13] <Cyber_Akuma> Look, no need to laugh, I haven't used ubuntu in a while
[01:13] <Cyber_Akuma> is that default behavior?
[01:14] <escott> keelG, the boot entry points for the kernel are completely different
[01:14] <Cyber_Akuma> it seems to lock mouse input to a certain window
[01:14] <Cyber_Akuma> and dosen't let me click on anything else
[01:14] <keelG> escott: arent those handled by GRUB?
[01:14] <felipe_Brz> i've downloaded some firmware in an attempt to solve a wireless card problem. Other than copying the .fw files into /lib/firmware/brcm, is there anything else I need to do in order to activate it????
[01:14] <Cyber_Akuma> even the installer did this
[01:14] <escott> keelG, http://gitorious.org/tianocore_uefi_duet_builds/pages/Windows_x64_BIOS_to_UEFI
[01:16] <Cyber_Akuma> Is this a feature of the new UI or no?
[01:16] <waver> Hello all!
[01:16] <Jpmh> keelG:  and escott  ty - i have a spare machine I will test on
[01:17] <keelG> escott: I agree, from what you just linked me - it would break Windows boot - however it would be because it would require ACHI driver for booting :)
[01:17] <keelG> escott: rest of the changes they talk about are BCD, which are irrelevant since we would be using GRUB in this scenario
[01:18] <escott> keelG, trust me it wont work
[01:18] <waver> I am having some odd random freezing on my Ubuntu 12.04.1 box
[01:18] <waver> looking at syslog I don't see anything that would explain why it is freezing
[01:18] <waver> wondered if I might get some other eyes on it
[01:19] <keelG> escott: I do beleive you :)
[01:20] <keelG> waver: server/desktop is other ttys responding?
[01:20] <waver> desktop but I am running it headless as a server
[01:21] <waver> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=H3ELxUUS
[01:21] <waver> you can see looking at that chunk of syslog it freezes at the 19:39:01 point
[01:21] <waver> this keeps happening
[01:21] <keelG> waver: is that your tail?
[01:21] <waver> that is a chunk from syslog yes
[01:22] <waver> every time it has frozen, networking stops working etc, I reboot and it  comes back up
[01:22] <keelG> waver: do you have any fatal errors or such in dmesg?
[01:23] <waver> hmm don't believe so let me see
[01:23] <Jpmh> escott: ok - i have converted a test system using gdisk - added a partition - how do i convert back?
[01:23] <keelG> waver: reboot - I guess you hard boot it, by powering it on?
[01:23] <waver> yea :-\
[01:23] <escott> Jpmh, gdisk can convert both ways, one of the menu options will let you convert to and from gpt
[01:24] <escott> Jpmh, when you convert back just ask that gpt setup one of the partitions inside an extended
[01:24] <Jpmh> escott: I hit help and do not see it?
[01:24] <waver> hmm keelG nothing in dmesg
[01:25] <keelG> waver: is it logged into the desktop?
[01:25] <waver> one change that I made to the server and this started happening was.... i replaced a 2TB WD Caviar Green with a 3TB Caviar Green
[01:25] <waver> I can login to the desktop via vnc
[01:25] <escott> Jpmh, probably under the recovery/transformation options "r"
[01:25] <keelG> waver: hmm, new hardware
[01:25] <waver> yea
[01:26] <Jpmh> escott: ty - let me look there
[01:26] <waver> the drive seems to be working fine but.... this odd freezing... hmmmm
[01:26] <waver> I've got a PCI SATA Controller, thinking about changing to that... wondering if it is SATA Controller related... it is an older mobo
[01:27] <keelG> waver: try running a long test on the disk (will take atleast 24hours)  with either smartctl or gsmartcontrol (one is cli other is gui, but does the exact same thing).
[01:27] <waver> ah yea hmm
[01:28] <keelG> waver: oh lol, forgot it is locking up - well, boot a liveCD. Then you might see if its related to other hardware problems :)
[01:28] <waver> yea... thinking I might have to put the video card in and hook it up
[01:28] <waver> is really a bummer :-\
[01:29] <keelG> waver: these kinda things usually are ;/
[01:29] <damselfly9> waver; if you kept the original drive it was coopied from, then you might be able to llf it and check for bad sectors
[01:29] <waver> hmmm bad sectors on the new drive?
[01:30] <damselfly9> it happens
[01:30] <damselfly9> quality control isn't too good these days
[01:30] <keelG> waver: I have tried more than once, when I ran a smartctl on a new drive - only to find out, it wasnt new at all
[01:30] <waver> yea
[01:31] <waver> I actually did scan the drive using WD Diag util long tst
[01:31] <damselfly9> besides, all drives have bad sectors, it's just a question of whether they've been remapped
[01:31] <waver> tests showed the drive was ok
[01:31] <waver> hmm
[01:32] <damselfly9> on a scsi drive, it can actually tell you how many were bad from the factory
[01:32] <keelG> All drives still have these two tables, but I guess its vendor specifik how and if you can access both of these
[01:33] <keelG> cant recall if smartctl shows them
[01:35] <keelG> yea P-List and G-List: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_sector
[01:36] <damselfly9> still, I've had drives with bad sectors and it didn't instantly lock up the whole machine
[01:36] <keelG> that is true! However, I merely suggested him to boot a liveCD and test the disk, since he recently had it replaced :)
[01:37] <damselfly9> maybe trying the pci sata card waver mentioned?
[01:38] <waver> yup
[01:38] <waver> if it freezes again
[01:38] <waver> I am going to do that
[01:38] <keelG> When did it freeze?
[01:38] <keelG> @Live?
[01:38] <waver> hmm it has just randomly been freezing
[01:38] <waver> tailing syslog I just see something similar to what I sent via pastebin
[01:39] <damselfly9> waver, do you think there is any chance you might have accidently unseated some memory while changing the hdd?
[01:39] <keelG> or anything else for that matter :P
[01:41] <waver> hmmm damselfly9 that is possible
[01:41] <waver> perhaps the RAM isn't in all the way ;-) heh
[01:41] <waver> I will check it all
[01:41] <waver> I can say that all of the ram is showing up properly tho
[01:42] <keelG> Well, if you boot a LiveCD/USB the unseated memory would def. show as well ;)
[01:42] <Physicist> Hello fellas! Any device about install Steam on BackTrack 5 r3? I tried every little thing (almost probrably), but, appear that the archtecture is fail!!
[01:42] <damselfly9> I had some loose memory once. It survived 5 passes on memtest and then went crazy
[01:42] <waver> heh
[01:42] <keelG> Physicist: you know that BT5r3 is based on Ubuntu 10.04 right?
[01:43] <Physicist> Yes! And i'm doind a upgrading to 12.04..
[01:44] <keelG> Physicist: Then you might not experience any issues installing, but I am merely guessing ;)
[01:44] <Physicist> So keel G, can you say how can I do it?
[01:45] <manamana> is this as bad as it looks? http://i.imgur.com/9SPEGL4.jpg (HD failing SMART test)
[01:46] <Physicist> What mean?
[01:46] <damselfly9> yeah, failing a smart test is bad
[01:46] <escott> manamana, its worse than it loos
[01:46] <escott> looks
[01:46] <keelG> I wouldnt store my family vacation pictures on that drive, no
[01:46] <manamana> oh shit
[01:46] <damselfly9> time for backups
[01:47] <escott> keelG, its perfectly safe for him to take that disk out and stack printed photos on top of it.
[01:47] <keelG> escott: true, its perfectly safe as a paperwieght ;)
[01:47] <Physicist> Fellas, can I install Steam on Backtrack?
[01:47] <damselfly9> Physicist; didn't you say it didn't work?
[01:48] <keelG> I would think you would experience a lot of issues on a 10.04 based ubuntu distro - however maybe if you upgrade to 12.04, why dont you try? :)
[01:48] <manamana> luckily I just got a new 1 TB, does it still make sense to keep using the one who failed the test as backup?
[01:48] <escott> manamana, no its trash
[01:48] <manamana> :(
[01:48] <waver> manamana: how old is it?
[01:48] <waver> warranty replace?
[01:48] <Physicist> I just have finish upgrading to the 12.04 base, still cannot, but, maybe have one solution. Wine?
[01:48] <escott> manamana, disk failure isn't imminent. disk failure already occured
[01:48] <manamana> waver: less than a year
[01:48] <damselfly9> manamana; I would trust a drive that's ready to fail at any moment for backups
[01:49] <waver> warranty replace that thing!
[01:49] <waver> done
[01:49] <keelG> Physicist: if you have Steam in .deb format, you wont need wine
[01:49] <escott> manamana, always stress test new disks when you get them. don't just assume its good because its new
[01:49] <Physicist> I knoe keel G, remember of the i386 failure?
[01:49] <keelG> always stress test any electronics component when you just get it
[01:50] <keelG> well, maybe its because you are running 32bit and its 64bit or vice verse
[01:51] <Physicist> No, I have AMD 64 - a great machine, and this happened anway!
[01:51] <keelG> more on the "stress test subject" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burn-in
[01:52] <Physicist> kell G: my machine is 64bit, why that?
[01:52] <damselfly9> waver; does your machine have more than one sata controller (mine has two different ones, so I thought I'd ask)
[01:52] <waver> hmm damselfly9 I checked that
[01:52] <waver> just intel here
[01:52] <waver> older mobo can see the controllers here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813127030
[01:53] <waver> controller*
[01:53] <damselfly9> ok. mine has two, one is pci-locked and the other isn't
[01:53] <keelG> waver: what damselfly9 just said got me thinking, its not one of these motherboards with a broken controller from intel?
[01:53] <keelG> ah p35
[01:53] <keelG> nvm
[01:53] <waver> oohhh hmm it is the Abit IP35 Pro
[01:53] <waver> mhm
[01:53] <waver> old old old
[01:53] <waver> :)
[01:53] <keelG> yea
[01:53] <waver> thinking of doing a rebuild
[01:53] <waver> but still squeezing some juice out of this one
[01:54] <damselfly9> a broken sata controller might tend to freeze things up
[01:54] <keelG> Try the LiveCD/USB first and check the disk meanwhile you test if crashes :)
[01:54] <waver> what's interesting is.... this seems to have just presented itself since adding this 3TB drive
[01:54] <waver> has been running with many 2TB drives for a long time
[01:54] <waver> no prob at all
[01:54] <Physicist> Bye guys! Thank a lot for nothing!
[01:54] <keelG> np
[01:55] <keelG> Hmmmmmmmm
[01:55] <keelG> Btw
[01:55] <keelG> How large is the parition?
[01:55] <waver> full drive umm 2.7TB
[01:55] <keelG> and you are using MBR?
[01:56] <keelG> ofc
[01:56] <keelG> hm
[01:56] <waver> GPT
[01:56] <damselfly9> if it's an old motherboard, it might have the old bios limitation of 2tb disks
[01:56] <keelG> narh
[01:56] <waver> have to for more than 2TB
[01:56] <keelG> exactly
[01:56] <escott> keelG, presumably he is using mbr+gpt
[01:56] <waver> yea
[01:56] <keelG> or that yes
[01:56] <waver> I believe just GPT but can't say for sure, used gparted
[01:57] <keelG> oh well, nvm then
[01:57] <keelG> Id still go with the liveCD test :)
[01:58] <waver> cool gotcha keelG
[01:58] <escott> waver, also do a ram test
[01:58] <moon`> you can't install a 64bit version of ubuntu on a 32 bit system yeah?  It just wouldn't run?
[01:58] <waver> gotcha, is Ram test something I can do while booted or do I need to boot something to test it
[01:58] <keelG> on a 32bit CPU? No
[01:58] <escott> moon`, correct. the other way around yes
[01:58] <waver> 64bit
[01:58] <moon`> I installed ubuntu on the wife's laptop off of a livecd I had and it's a 64 bit version that installed but I didn't realize her laptop had a 64 bit cpu
[01:59] <escott> waver, the livecd has a ram test option during boot
[01:59] <waver> ah yes
[01:59] <keelG> moon: You can install 32bit ubuntu on a 64bit CPU, np :)
[02:00] <keelG> moon : Sorry, I am obviously having problems reading :)
[02:01] <Wug> Would anyone by any chance know a command I could use to force reconfigure chromium-browser and all of its dependencies?
[02:05] <gormanator> hey everyone...kind of a newbie to ubuntu...exploring multitouch options. By default i can do two finger scrolling, but I was looking for a little more customiziablity. It doesn't seem like my current touchpad is supported by touchegg, a solution I tried earlier
[02:11] <keelG> Anyone know the accuracy of power usage of devices estimated by powertop?
[02:13] <jarray52> After running "sudo apt-get install linux-generic-lts-quantal" on Ubuntu 12.04, Virtualbox no longer works. I get the error message telling me to run /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup. However, vboxdrv setup doesn't exist in /etc/init.d. Any suggestions?
[02:16] <keelG> jarray52: Have you checked this out? I am not certain if its your exact issue:  http://askubuntu.com/questions/205154/virtualbox-etc-init-d-vboxdrv-setup-issue
[02:16] <jarray52> keelG: Thanks.
[02:18] <dollarbang1> can someone tell me how to open a terminal session under Ubuntu desktop, thanks.
[02:18] <escott> dollarbang, ctrl-alt-t
[02:18] <keelG> CTRL+ALT+F[1-7] ?
[02:18] <keelG> if you mean another tty :)
[02:19] <xrs> or you could search in the launcher menu for terminal
[02:19] <dollarbang1> (*&^&*%&^*(&&(*)(&(*)&&^%&^&$^&%^ can't be that dang easy....thanks very much, the RTFM wasn't much help.
[02:19] <escott> dollarbang, just hit the window key and start typing the keywords is the other way to start applications
[02:19] <keelG> Hold down the win...
[02:19] <keelG> what escott said :D
[02:20] <keelG> oh actually
[02:20] <keelG> if you hold down the Windows key, you should see a little cheat sheet for shortcuts as well
[02:21] <damselfly9> Physicist; welcome back
[02:21] <philsf> isn't empthy supposed to open new incoming messages automatically, like, say, pidgin or any other IM app?
[02:22] <keelG> philsf: you should have a notification in the indicator @top panel
[02:22] <Physicist> Hello fellas! My backtrack 5 r3 have one notification of one newest update - ubuntu 1.04. Should I upgrade?
[02:22] <jarray52> keelG: sudo apt-get install virtualbox-dkms fails
[02:22] <Physicist> thanks damselffly!
[02:23] <damselfly9> Physicist; I don't know, 1.04 is pretty old
[02:23] <philsf> keelG, I get the notification, and can open the window (when it doesn't crash) from the message indicator menu. But I'd really like if the window opened automatically
[02:23] <AGreyCrane> So... mount /dev/vdb1 /mnt/test  -  EXT4-fs (vdb1): unable to read superblock  end_request: I/O error, dev vdb, sector 2050   and yet fsck -t ext4 /dev/vdb1 yeids : /dev/vdb1: clean, 11/2097152 files, 176658/8388352 blocks  any suggestions?
[02:23] <xrs> Physicist,  if its not security related, i wouldnt
[02:23] <xrs> then again if you do break functionality its easy to make a new backtrack
[02:23] <keelG> AGreyCrane: stupid question here: vdb1 is that like lvm?
[02:24] <Physicist> danselfly9: I know. Its a security yeah, of the system to upgrade!
[02:24] <AGreyCrane> keelG: Its the virtio (KVM) disk
[02:24] <subb1> HI guys.
[02:24] <keelG> oooooh
[02:25] <nizor> Hey
[02:25] <virusuy> howdy yall !
[02:25] <escott> AGreyCrane, what about not telling fsck the filesystem type or telling mount the filesystem type
[02:26] <nizor> Need help on the connection to wireless network......passworded network.....pls
[02:26] <subb1> I use ubuntu one service. But each time I add files to ubuntuone synced folder, I'll have to do System > Preferences > Ubuntuone , the click 'Connect' to start the sync. How to automate this? ie when a change is made to the folder, automatically it should get synced.
[02:26] <damselfly9> Physicist; or did you mean 11.04? that would only be 2 years old
[02:26] <xrs> nizor,  what is the problem you are having?
[02:26] <jarray52> keelG: http://dpaste.org/VEGBQ/
[02:27] <subb1> I'm using Lucid Installation of Ubuntu
[02:27] <nizor> Xrs connecting to a password protected wireless network
[02:27] <damselfly9> Physicist; 11.04 Natty Narwhal is a classic
[02:28] <AGreyCrane> escott: fsck still runs clean. mount still fails
[02:28] <Physicist> Appeared a security notification system itself, reporting a new version to update, 12.04 LTS - but I do not know if my system will continue backtrack! I am using the BT 5 r3. Its new!
[02:28] <keelG> Try and install it from here: https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads
[02:28] <keelG> @ jarray52
[02:28] <escott> AGreyCrane, how about reading sector 2050 with dd?
[02:29] <damselfly9> Physicist; 12.04 is reasonably new
[02:29] <damselfly9> Physicist; people report less problems with 12.04 than with 12.10
[02:31] <Physicist> damselfly9: I know! I guess I will try upgrade and see what happened! But do you understand that I am using the newest backtrack? And this is a update from  the system not myself?
[02:31] <ongandrew> hi everyone
[02:31] <AGreyCrane> escott: reads fine, no error
[02:31] <escott> AGreyCrane, weird
[02:31] <keelG> AGreyCrane: im curious, are you trying to mount a kvm disk, to your host machine?
[02:32] <damselfly9> Physicist; updates are dangerous. clean installs are better
[02:32] <AGreyCrane> keelG: no, kvm disk to guest machine
[02:32] <ongandrew> i got some problem can you guys help me out
[02:32] <AGreyCrane> escott: command I ran was
[02:32] <Physicist> But the BT 5 r3 is the new version!
[02:32] <AGreyCrane> escott: sorry for the wasted line there: dd if=/dev/vdb1 of=/dev/null skip=2050 count=1 bs=512
[02:32] <ongandrew> I'm trying to install a 64 bits ubuntu desktop 12.10 to my new asus  g75vw from a dvd. Everything worked slowly but fine until it finished, then the  installation program prompted me to restart.I clicked restart button  after which the computer freezes and finally I have to power it off.
[02:33] <Physicist> Show a freaky window want update itself!
[02:33] <AGreyCrane> keelG: and fwiw, I have vda1 mounted fine (vda is raw on nfs, vdb is lvm on iscsi)
[02:33] <ongandrew> can anyone help me with that
[02:33] <damselfly9> Physicist; I don't know backtrack (I can't try every distro)
[02:33] <wb4bbc> Ongandrew , I have that same machine are you trying to installit along side with windows ?
[02:34] <ongandrew> nope
[02:34] <ongandrew> just ubuntu
[02:34] <krux> did you turn it on >?
[02:34] <damselfly9> Physicist; if you don't want to update, can you say no?
[02:35] <wb4bbc> Hmmmm, I have heard that some people have disabled the UEFI and that helped just a idea
[02:35] <genio_> يالبى الأوبنتو <3 :D
[02:35] <ongandrew> UEFI? sorry just new to ubuntu just want to try out a new os so i have 0 idea
[02:35] <Physicist> BT is being updated based on ubuntu as ubuntu or as BT? This question is!
[02:36] <xangua> !backtrack | Physicist
[02:36] <escott> ongandrew, what version of windows did this come with?
[02:36] <wb4bbc> windows7
[02:36] <ongandrew> yup
[02:36] <AGreyCrane> escott, keelG: just tried with the start on 4096 same issue ( this time block 4098 ) strange
[02:36] <ongandrew> windows 7 basic
[02:36] <wb4bbc> Basic on  ROG GW75 ?
[02:37] <Physicist> Thank you fellas! Good day!!
[02:37] <escott> ongandrew, can you tell how far the boot gets? does ubuntu get loaded at all? does grub load?
[02:38] <ongandrew> after installing ubuntu it just says restart now or continue testing ubuntu right i clicked on the restart now then after that it would eject the cd and lets you press enter after pressing enter nothing happened
[02:38] <keelG> AGreyCrane: I must admit, I am way out of depth here - I have limited experience with iscsi and hardly any with LVM ,7
[02:38] <keelG> AGreyCrane: the only experience I had with LVM was that I couldn't get it to mount either :P
[02:38] <keelG> (crashed drive)
[02:38] <wb4bbc> DO a search on ROG website there is a whole thread on what you need to do
[02:40] <ongandrew> @wb4bbc you tanking to me?
[02:40] <wb4bbc> Yes
[02:40] <AGreyCrane> keelG: no worries, thanks for the input :) LVM is the underpining for the disk, but in the vm it just looks like a drive. I think it has something to do with advanced format (4k sector) drives. I'll figure it out
[02:40] <ongandrew> ROG?
[02:40] <wb4bbc> Republic of Gamers you do have one of those machines
[02:41] <kris_therrien> can anyone help me i cant connect to my remote mysql database from ubuntu
[02:41] <escott> ongandrew, nothing happened? time stopped? a tear in the fabric of the universe? how did you escape the singularity...
[02:42] <keelG> AGreyCrane: best of luck mate :)
[02:42] <ongandrew> i just pressed the power button to shut it down i have wait for about 30 mins but with no luck nothing happens just the ubuntu logo
[02:43] <escott> ongandrew, so after you power it back up you get the ubuntu logo for an extended time?>
[02:44] <ongandrew> nope after the reboot it goes on normally but it seems a little slow
[02:45] <ongandrew> after install the reboot screen just hanged and after i have restart my pc its all good i think but a bit slow
[02:45] <escott> ongandrew, so your complaint is what exactly? that the installer wasnt able to get the cpu to reboot?
[02:46] <escott> ongandrew, thats an annoyance but nothing to worry about. just means you have to manually powercycle the system or figure out the proper ACPI fixups to get reboot/halt to work correctly
[02:47] <damselfly9> it's terrible needing to press the power button :(
[02:47] <keelG> Good thing you wont need to reboot with Linux!!!!!!111one
[02:47] <ongandrew> how do i do that and aren't there files missing? caus it needed to restart thought there might be something missing through the installation process
[02:47] <keelG> did you see what I did there?
[02:48] <Cyber_Akuma> Well..... took me all of about 30 minutes to trash my Ubuntu installation
[02:48] <Cyber_Akuma> lovely
[02:48] <escott> ongandrew, x86 has never had a particularly well defined way to halt/reboot the system from software
[02:48] <ongandrew> you guys use ubuntu also right
[02:48] <ongandrew> i use x64
[02:49] <kris_therrien> can anyone help me i cant connect to my remote mysql database from ubuntu
[02:49] <damselfly9> ongandrew; yes, but I don't mind hitting the power button
[02:49] <escott> ongandrew, there are a bunch of strange techniques that may have different results on different systems. you'll probably want to look for instructions on selecting the write ACPI settings for your particular laptop anyways
[02:49] <ongandrew> won't that dmg your computer? i mean always force shut downing your computer like on windows your system could be dmg or corrupted
[02:50] <keelG> only if the OS is still running
[02:50] <escott> ongandrew, if you wait until it has halted and the OS isn't doing anything its fine
[02:50] <damselfly9> ongandrew; no, I shutdown then press the power button
[02:50] <Blacklite_> how do i remove this annoying bouncing icon when I start an app in kubuntu 12.04?
[02:50] <ongandrew> o ok
[02:50] <VictorVE> Ah! The magic of IRC
[02:50] <keelG> <3
[02:51] <ongandrew> whats the best stable verion of linux that is good for beginers like me
[02:51] <Cyber_Akuma> ... I told ubuntu to install to a usb flashdrive AND to install the bootloader to it
[02:51] <ongandrew> have 0 knowledge from linux
[02:51] <Cyber_Akuma> why did it still trash my windows bootloader?
[02:51] <escott> ongandrew, this is the ubuntu channel... so we will usually suggest that you start with gentoo :-P
[02:51] <damselfly9> ongandrew; free or non-free?
[02:51] <keelG> Cyber_Akuma: cause you need to install GRUB in its place?
[02:51] <Blacklite_> escott: lol
[02:52] <VictorVE> ongandrew, go with Ubuntu, the regular one
[02:52] <VictorVE> then specialize
[02:52] <Cyber_Akuma> keelG: Again, I installed the bootloader to the usb flashdrive
[02:52] <Blacklite_> I need help
[02:52] <keelG> escott: please stop, I cant bare to laugh so hard at this hour! ^_^
[02:52] <damselfly9> ongandrew; if you got the money to spend, RedHat or Suse
[02:52] <Blacklite_> HALP
[02:52] <Blacklite_> PLZZZZZ
[02:52] <VictorVE> Zero knowledge of linux = default one :P
[02:52] <ongandrew> regular one? which version
[02:53] <keelG> Cyber_Akuma: sorry mate, I just answered your last senteance :)
[02:53] <VictorVE> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[02:53] <escott> ongandrew, regular ubuntu desktop would be the standard recommendation unless you have a specific desire/hardware limitation
[02:53] <Cyber_Akuma> I decided to try out ubuntu by installing it to a usb flashdrive... it couldne't focus on the right window to save it's life, got corruted after a reboot, and now screwed up my windows bootloader...
[02:53] <Cyber_Akuma> I think Linux hates me..
[02:53] <VictorVE> For long-term support,
[02:53] <VictorVE> choose Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[02:54] <escott> ongandrew, 12.10 if you want to upgrade in 3 months, 12.04 if you dont
[02:54] <Blacklite_> FFS GUISE!!!
[02:54] <VictorVE> Cyber, Linux doesn't hate :)
[02:54] <keelG> Yea Guise stop harrasing Blacklite_!
[02:54] <Blacklite_> how do I remove the bouncing icon in KUBUNTU PRECISE
[02:54] <ongandrew> whats the diff of 12.04 and 12.1
[02:55] <Cyber_Akuma> VictorVE: First time I ever tried a livecd it kernel paniced on boot... a livecd! Granted, that was Knoppix years ago...
[02:55] <escott> !lts | ongandrew
[02:55] <Cyber_Akuma> but yeah, I have NEVER had much success with linux. I thought to try again with ubuntu... it just wrecked everything >.<
[02:55] <escott> !eol | ongandrew
[02:55] <VictorVE> ongandrew: 12.04 = no reinstall in years
[02:55] <VictorVE> 12.10 = reinstall in months
[02:55] <keelG> Blacklite_: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+do+I+remove+the+bouncing+icon+in+KUBUNTU+PRECISE
[02:55] <VictorVE> your pick!
[02:56] <jarray52> keelG: Thanks again. That worked like a charm. I now have virtual box running on Ubuntu 12.04 with the 12.10 kernel.
[02:56] <ongandrew> ok ok i think am gonna go with 12.04 thanks everyone
[02:56] <escott> ongandrew, you dont have to reinstall, but you would have to upgrade which replaces all the software on the system with newer versions
[02:56] <keelG> jarray52: no probs mate! good to hear you're up and running
[02:56] <usr13> ongandrew: You mean 12.04 and 12.10  Well, the first obvious difference is that they are 6 months apart. Second, and most important, 12.04 is LTS and 12.10 is not.
[02:56] <AGreyCrane> keelG: FYI worked around it for the moment by enableing write-through caching on the disk in KVM. Something about qemu not likeing 4k sector disks in cache none mode
[02:56] <VictorVE> yes 12.04 = GOOD CHOICE!
[02:56] <damselfly9> Cyber_Akuma; strange, the pendrive shouldn't have overwritten window's boot loader
[02:56] <Blacklite_> keelsG: like I haven't tried that already.
[02:56] <Cyber_Akuma> I know
[02:56] <livefree424_> I'm following the Ubuntu app tutorial for the currency converter and i followed all the steps but instead of a currency converter all my code displays is a HELLO WORLD any ideas...here is my code http://pastebin.com/46U8hsAq
[02:56] <ongandrew> another thing about the difference on bought the version i mean is there interface diff or something like that
[02:57] <Cyber_Akuma> thats why I am so surprised this happened
[02:57] <VictorVE> You are a newcomer so probably would appreciate the larger life-span
[02:57] <Cyber_Akuma> I just wanted a removable install of linux I could plug into the pc when I needed
[02:57] <keelG> AGreyCrane: sounds like some advanced konfu! You must teach me some time ;)
[02:57] <Cyber_Akuma> Not only could I not get it to work, but it for some reason overwrote the windows bootloader
[02:57] <escott> AGreyCrane, thats a bit scary
[02:57] <damselfly9> Cyber_Akuma; what did it over-write it with?
[02:58] <keelG> Cyber_Akuma: do you have Linux installed as well on the machine with Windows?
[02:58] <Cyber_Akuma> keelG: windows is on an internal hdd, ubuntu was installed on an external usb flashdrive
[02:58] <Cyber_Akuma> And I set the bootloader to isntall to the falshdrive when I installed ubuntu
[02:58] <livefree424_> Cyber_Akuma: you can go to ubuntu.com and use the windows installer and its like running a program but gives you ubuntu os
[02:58] <keelG> Cyber_Akuma: how did you install?
[02:59] <escott> Cyber_Akuma, thats not always supported
[02:59] <Cyber_Akuma> livefree424_: I prefer to run it native
[02:59] <AGreyCrane> escott: yeah, working of an old bug report from 2010, but the suggested work around still worked o.O https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=608548
[02:59] <WarNinJa> hello everyone, can someone please tell me how to connect to an undernet server please? i do not know the address to get there
[02:59] <mgdunn> has anyone had issue during installation, whether you turn nomodeset or apci=off on or not.  Computer is a Dell XPS15z if that helps. I've seen it has had a bunch of issues
[02:59] <Cyber_Akuma> keelG: booted the livecd, chose to manually configure the install path, formatted my usb drive as ext4 and set it's mount point as "/", then set the bootloader to install to the flashdrive
[02:59] <gormanator> ey everyone...kind of a newbie to ubuntu...exploring multitouch options. By default i can do two finger scrolling, but I was looking for a little more customiziablity. It doesn't seem like my current touchpad is supported by touchegg, a solution I tried earlier
[03:00] <mgdunn> always get blank screen
[03:00] <Cyber_Akuma> ... barely that is, the mouse wasn't behaving
[03:00] <damselfly9> WarNinJa; us.undernet.org or eu.undernet.org (?)
[03:00] <Cyber_Akuma> still didn't even after it was installed
[03:00] <WarNinJa> damselfly9 thank you i will try, ill let you know if it fails thanks again
[03:02] <livefree424_> I'm following the Ubuntu app tutorial for the currency converter and i followed all the steps but instead of a currency converter all my code displays is a HELLO WORLD any ideas...here is my code http://pastebin.com/46U8hsAq
[03:02] <JonEdney> Is thjere a way to run the gnome shell on 12.10, but still be able to go back to unity if need be?  I am not familiar with the gnome interface and want to check it out
[03:02] <Cyber_Akuma> The mouse was never focusing on the right window, and attempting to install videocard drivers just made the whole isntall corrupt
[03:02] <escott> !gnome | JonathanD
[03:02] <escott> JonEdney, ^^^
[03:02] <escott> !gnome-shell | JonEdney
[03:03] <waver> thmmm ok it froze again
[03:03] <escott> JonEdney, apt-get install gnome-shell
[03:03] <waver> trying the PCI sata card
[03:03] <JonEdney> ty escott
[03:03] <waver> thinking this has to be related to the new 3TB drive
[03:03] <escott> JonEdney, the debian gnome-shell seems to work a lot better though
[03:04] <wector> Not think more do it
[03:04] <keelG> waver: my immediate attention is directed at the drive also, but needs more testing  before I could say anything with certanty ;(
[03:05] <waver> for sure appreciate you guys thinking through it with me
[03:05] <escott> waver, were you in AHCI mode before?
[03:05] <waver> just nice to bounce some ideas off of others :)
[03:05] <keelG> always glad to help :)
[03:05] <waver> I also checked to ensure all of the memory is seated properly
[03:05] <waver> hmm escott
[03:05] <waver> has been awhile since I've had a monitor hooked up to look at the bios on this box
[03:05] <escott> waver, (and are you in AHCI now)
[03:06] <waver> the sata could be set to I believe "IDE" mode
[03:06] <waver> not 100% sure on that though
[03:06] <waver> just seems like I remember something wonky like that
[03:06] <waver> I can hook up a monitor and look
[03:06] <escott> waver, that could be an issue with a 3tb disk (its going to have some crazy firmware to deal with fixing up logical vs physical sectors
[03:07] <waver> mmmm yea
[03:07] <keelG> Vendor-firmware-voodoo
[03:08] <ClientAlive> I need to use the linux command line on my brand new lappy (with winblows 8 on it). I'm having a difficult time getting it to boot the 64 bit desktop cd for 12.04. So far I have: disabled secure boot in bios, enabled legacy boot in bios, move the cd/dvd rom drive to the top of the list in both the legacy and uefi lists. Reboot ant it STILL boots into win 8.
[03:08] <ClientAlive> what do I do?
[03:08] <genio_> how i can play Minecraft on ubuntu guys ??????????????
[03:09] <escott> ClientAlive, if you change to legacy bios windows will be non-bootable
[03:09] <ClientAlive> It's booted now
[03:09] <ClientAlive> I made that change
[03:09] <ClientAlive> let me reboot and go into bios setting to verify
[03:09] <escott> ClientAlive, its clearly not taking. if it were then windows wouldn't boot
[03:09] <ClientAlive> ok
[03:09] <ClientAlive> I'll check
[03:10] <keelG> ClientAlive: It will mostlikely detect you have a EFI partition and boot UEFI - if you didnt have that present, it would fallback and boot legacy
[03:10] <damselfly9> does windows 8 absolutely require uefi?
[03:10] <escott> ClientAlive, the firmware is probably trying to be smart and ignoring your requests because it would make the system unbootable
[03:10] <mgdunn> Does anyone have any advice for my attempt at installing.    My computer is a Dell XPS15z if that helps since I know it has had some issues.  Basically any attempt at install end in a blank screen
[03:10] <keelG> damselfly9: iirc yes
[03:11] <keelG> To be "Windows Certified" I know it _HAS_ to, but I don't if they allow some backwards compatability
[03:11] <mgdunn> tried from DVD and USB for both 12.04 and 12.10
[03:11] <keelG> mgdunn: dual gfx?
[03:12] <mgdunn> no
[03:12] <wector> I did it via 12.10 atall
[03:12] <somsip>      zxcbnnm
[03:13] <somsip> oops - vacuuming keyboard...
[03:13] <ClientAlive> ok. I'm looking at my bios settings, insyde bios (gag me), system configuration tab, boot order submenu, and the option entitled "Legacy Support" is <Enabled>, the option entitled "Secure Boot" is <Dissabled>
[03:13] <ClientAlive> at any rate what can I do to boot that live cd in this system?
[03:14] <escott> ClientAlive, you shouldnt have any trouble booting the install cd even in efi mode. i would verify you burned it correctly
[03:14] <ClientAlive> that is a possible problem
[03:14] <wector> Windows most die
[03:14] <keelG> I experienced trouble booting Ubuntu LiveUSBs in UEFI mode however :)
[03:14] <somsip> oops - vacuuming keyboard...
[03:15] <ClientAlive> it is the "amd 64" release and I'm running intel. I didn't think that should matter tho. Does it?
[03:15] <keelG> Nop
[03:15] <damselfly9> ClientAlive; what model intel cpu?
[03:15] <ClientAlive> sudo kvm-ok
[03:15] <ClientAlive> hang on
[03:15] <ClientAlive> sorry bout that
[03:16] <ClientAlive> http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/load_configuration.do?destination=review&email_id=2436514&jumpid=in_r329_emailconfig  <- That's the beast
[03:16] <ClientAlive> that what they shipped me
[03:16] <mgdunn> graphics is nvidia gt525M if that helps
[03:18] <escott> mgdunn, if that is nvidia optimus then that will be a problem
[03:19] <damselfly9> ClientAlive; doesn't really say what model cpu chip it's running
[03:19] <ongandrew> are there anyone that i could change my booting screen like i want to see a circle like the one on the website (which i can't seem to find now) he said how fast does your computer load
[03:19] <ClientAlive> Perhaps I should throw out there what I'm really, ultimately after. Here's the situation. I paid another $175 for that cpu because it has intel vt-d. I've made numerous attempts to find out if the chipset and bios are going to support that through HP but alas, to no avail at all. I need a certain way to know (or understand) whether I'm able to make use of this vt-d technology or this things going back to HP.
[03:19] <ClientAlive> intel i7 - 3820QM
[03:20] <cub> how to view images in terminal
[03:20] <keelG> like as ascii art?
[03:20] <escott> cub, eog
[03:20] <cub> idk like when im using links
[03:20] <cub> to browse
[03:21] <keelG> ClientAlive: what is it you wish to achieve by using Intel VT-d?
[03:21] <ClientAlive> what I was hoping may help is to run sudo kvm-ok (after installing it) via the live cd.
[03:21] <escott> ClientAlive, just because the cpu has vt-d doesnt mean anything
[03:21] <escott> ClientAlive, the motherboard must have an iommu as well. you probably just wasted $175
[03:21] <ClientAlive> that's the same thing someone else asked me. Atm, I'm not an expert on the technology. I do however want to experiment with it and learn.
[03:22] <cub> im just trying to use links on a ubuntu server install to view pics
[03:22] <ClientAlive> so my current objective is to determine that I have it available (the cpu supports it but what about the other factors?)
[03:22] <cub> thats why i was asking .. ty for helping
[03:23] <compdoc> ClientAlive, why do you need vt-d?
[03:23] <ClientAlive> escott: that is exactly the problem. Try finding out anything about a lappy mobo or it's chipset or the bios from HP - not gonna happen  ;<
[03:23] <ClientAlive> Pissed as hell about that
[03:23] <damselfly9> ClientAlive; how much ram do you have?
[03:23] <ClientAlive> compdoc: do I have to know why I need it to want it?
[03:23] <ClientAlive> 8 gb
[03:23] <escott> ClientAlive, if you need vt-d you should be building your own machine from components you can select and verify before you purchase
[03:24] <compdoc> never found it necessary in all the years ive been building vm servers to run kvm
[03:24] <keelG> ClientAlive: This will tell you what the CPU supports, but as escott mentioned, some of the tech requires other tech or might even be limited by the OEM: http://ark.intel.com/products/64889/Intel-Core-i7-3820QM-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-3_70-GHz
[03:25] <ClientAlive> escott: ideally, yes. I love this lappy in every other respect but I probably wouldn't have paid for a cpu upgrade if not for vt-d. I may want to return it for a refund if the chipset and bois aren't going to allow it.
[03:25] <keelG> I recall Sony not letting their customers enable Intel VT at all, even though the CPU supported it - fail!
[03:25] <ClientAlive> keelG: what you said is exactly the part I'm after. It is why I'm here. Is the information I seek to discover.
[03:25] <ClientAlive> the chipset and the bios
[03:26] <escott> ClientAlive, there is no good way to find out except to install kvm and see if you can passthrough whatever device it is you want to pass through
[03:26] <ClientAlive> ok
[03:26] <escott> ClientAlive, and dig through every single tab in the bios
[03:27] <JPeterson> how do i add ~/.bash_profile to ubuntu1 from the shell?
[03:27] <damselfly9> ClientAlive; I had the interesting experience lately of trying one distro's burnt cd where the cd tested good but more than half the machines I tried it in rejected it as non-bootable
[03:27] <craigbass1976> What's the best way to install unity on xubuntu?
[03:27] <ongandrew> question everyone how do i obtain this kind of loading screen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFRP1D4KkH0)
[03:27] <escott> JPeterson, vi ~/.bash_profile
[03:27] <zman099> should i buy a new laptop or buy a ssd for my old latitude d630
[03:27] <zman099> and install ubuntu
[03:27] <craigbass1976> unity interface only has three stars in software center, so I wasn't sure if that was the one.
[03:27] <bsmith093> i have the wierdest problem, sudo apt-get update refuses to connect to any server i try, but every other web based thing i have works fine. fresh 12.04 install
[03:28] <JPeterson> escott: with add i mean synchronize
[03:28] <ClientAlive> escott: ok. This makes sense. So far, what I've seen in bios says "Virtualization Technology" with options to "enable" or "dissable" (it's currently enabled because of me). This seems very general name to me and I don't understand if "Virtualization Technology" in cluded vt-d or not.
[03:28] <craigbass1976> bsmith093, where are you?  I was in a school the other day and I think they were blocking ubuntu updates for some reason
[03:28] <ClientAlive> damselfly9: interesting
[03:28] <bsmith093> craigbass1976: home network worked fine 20 minutes ago
[03:29] <damselfly9> ClientAlive; so apparently there has been something weird going on with cd bootcode lately that makes it only bottable in some machines
[03:29] <escott> ClientAlive, what you expect the firmware to be well documented? crazy man, next you will expect it to be written correctly. it never ends with people like you
[03:29] <ClientAlive> it would be nice
[03:30] <ClientAlive> no, I just wonder how virutualization tech works in general. If it is normal for the virutalization extensions to include vt-d or have it separate
[03:30] <ClientAlive> that's what would be very telling
[03:30] <rstat1> usually separate
[03:30] <ongandrew> how do i obtain this kind of loadking screen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFRP1D4KkH0
[03:30] <escott> ClientAlive, could be either way. it could mean vmx it could mean vt-d it could mean that your board doesnt support vt-d it could be both
[03:31] <ClientAlive> I see
[03:31] <phunyguy> Is it possible to load Ubuntu on a Microsoft Surface tablet? I got one for free from work, and I was just curious.
[03:31] <keelG> phunyguy you can tell us, is the bootloader unlocked?
[03:31] <ClientAlive> I'll try the empiracle method then as you suggest (make a vm and try to pass a device through).
[03:31] <xrs> phunyguy,  yes you can but you may need to use boot-repair for the linux bootloader to work
[03:31] <ClientAlive> thx
[03:31] <phunyguy> I have no idea
[03:31] <escott> phunyguy, thats an arm device? with win8?
[03:31] <phunyguy> xrs, do you have any guides/
[03:31] <xrs> yes
[03:31] <phunyguy> escott, ARM, with WindowsRT
[03:31] <rstat1> surface rt has a very locked bootloader.
[03:31] <keelG> uff, no dice iirc
[03:32] <phunyguy> doh.
[03:32] <JPeterson> u1sdtool --create-folder ~/.xbcm
[03:32] <phunyguy> Would love for that to work.
[03:32] <JPeterson> u1sdtool: error: PATH: '/home/user/.xbcm' don't exists
[03:32] <keelG> its still ARM
[03:32] <phunyguy> it's a nice tablet, good weight, microSD slot, USB port...
[03:32] <rstat1> If you figure out a way around the UEFI SecureBoot then sure you can run any ARM os on you want.
[03:33] <phunyguy> humph
[03:34] <xrs> i thought i had a better one than this but i guess i didnt bookmark it:   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[03:34] <cgkades> does anyone know where the system logs portable drive or thumb drive insertion?
[03:34] <JPeterson> the folder command is `u1sdtool --create-folder ~/.xbmc`, what's the file command? u1sdtool --create-file ~/.bash_profile
[03:34] <escott> cgkades, syslog
[03:35] <Tux_1> cgkades: dmesg
[03:35] <escott> !pm | ongandrew
[03:35] <cgkades> Tux_1: thought so, thanks
[03:35] <escott> ongandrew, im not answering because i dont know the answer. its a plymouth mod i dont know which
[03:36] <ongandrew> oh ok
[03:36] <cub> how do i find out my computer info.. like model etc
[03:37] <cub> there's a command right?
[03:37] <escott> cub, lshw, lspci, lsusb
[03:38] <keelG> if you want your computer model, you can also do dmesg |grep ThinkPad (if you have a thinkpad)
[03:38] <crippledmonk> you can also open a terminal window and type cat /proc/cpuinfo
[03:39] <cub> ty
[03:41] <keelG> fyi, best cli tool in these late (early) hours: sl
[03:45] <crippledmonk> clear
[03:53] <craigbass1976> How do I install the regular ubuntu interface on xubuntu
[03:53] <Corey> IIRC it's a meta package "ubuntu-desktop"
[03:54] <crippledmonk> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[04:01] <kewel> how to install java 7 on lubuntu 12.04?
[04:01] <kewel> nm. just got it
[04:01] <kewel> =P
[04:02] <kewel> can anyone find a cool list of common/popular repositories?  I dono why but it would make me feel better
[04:03] <dr_willis> check the omgubuntu and webupd8 blos sites
[04:03] <dr_willis> blog.
[04:04] <dr_willis> they mention most popular apps you may want to know about
[04:05] <kewel> dr_willis: cool .. thx
[04:07] <Dave77> is there any software for ubuntu that would help me to download files, what do I need?    I want to send URL from other PC to ubuntu box and have it download the file.
[04:07] <Lucenut> Hey peeps, kinda new to ubuntu. How do I connect to my local network windows shares?
[04:07] <escott> Lucenut, open the file manager and click on "local network"
[04:07] <escott> !samba | Lucenut for more advanced stuff
[04:08] <Lucenut> I am in eclipse and want to edit some files on a development webserver.
[04:08] <hehateme> i keep getting the get thread context failed message in wine. any ideas?
[04:08] <tim_> hello if im about to run a dual boot of xbuntu and windows 7 and im wondering if i need to make a partion from within windows or if i can create a partion in the setup
[04:09] <escott> tim_, either
[04:09] <tim_> oh okay. that makes it very easy.
[04:09] <tim_> i now just need to boot from my flash drive
[04:09] <tim_> and im all set
[04:10] <hehateme> is it true that its not a good idea to install ubuntu first then windows
[04:10] <escott> !grub | hehateme
[04:11] <dr_willis> if you know how to reinstall the grub loader you can do it easially enough.  hehateme
[04:12] <escott> goodnight dr_willis
[04:12] <dr_willis> and know how to leave partions free for windows
[04:13] <hehateme> thorugh live cd? does it already have boot installer?
[04:13] <hehateme> that being said it doesnt matter if its xp or 7?
[04:14] <dr_willis> if you have to ask.. it may be much better idea to install windows first
[04:14] <Lucenut> OK, I don't get this. Trying to connect to my local network windows shares.
[04:14] <dr_willis> xp or 7 shoultent matter mych
[04:14] <hehateme> already  to much on my linux partition
[04:15] <Lucenut> In the file manager I went to Network and then tried opening the "Workgroup" and the "Windows Network". Both fail.
[04:16] <Lucenut> Windows explorer has an address window where you can type "\\SERVER\C$"
[04:16] <Lucenut> How can I do that in ubuntu?
[04:16] <dr_willis> Lucenut:  in the file manager you can also hit    ctrl-l  and enter the share path        smb://server/share
[04:16] <Lucenut> Or specifically Eclipse.
[04:16] <kewel> so is there a difference between a repo and a ppa?
[04:16] <dr_willis> or try the server ip instead of name
[04:17] <dr_willis> a ppa is a personal repo. uts a little differenr
[04:17] <dr_willis> !ppa
[04:18] <kewel> aha
[04:18] <kewel> thx
[04:19] <grndlvl> I have a lenovo t430s running ubuntu 12.04LTS using the 3.4.0-030400-generic kernel (because of lock ups have been on it since like the second day and suspend previously worked) and recently suspend stopped working any ideas or a good direction to start diagnosing the issue? thx in adv.
[04:20] <grndlvl> btw it does attempt to suspend, however, it immediately wakes up
[04:20] <AnonGr_> !x #part
[04:22] <Lucenut> OK, I was able to connect in the file explorer. But in Eclipse I still only see the linux file system. Do I need to map a drive or something?
[04:22] <dr_willis> grndlvl:  try older kernels. see if it goes back to working. if so definatly file a bug report.
[04:22] <dr_willis> Lucenut:  for non gnome apps.. look in your ~/.gvfs directory
[04:22] <grndlvl> yeah I tried the latest 3.2 release as well :(
[04:22] <dr_willis> Lucenut:  or you can mount shares by hand to specific local directories to be easier to find.
[04:24] <grndlvl> dr_willis: ok thx; I will try to debug further and if I can't figure it out I will post a bug report. I wish I knew when it stopped exactly. The weird thing is I have been using the same kernel b/c 12.04LTS is still supplying 3.2 out of the repos.
[04:26] <dr_willis> i never use hibernate or suspend. ;)
[04:27] <Lucenut> Sorry Dr Willis. I don't understand either of those suggestions.
[04:27] <grndlvl> dr_willis: yeah I hear ya. I rarely do myself, except when I do b/c of travel and what not
[04:28] <grndlvl> thx though
[04:28] <Lucenut> I tried creating a "virtual file system" in Eclipse with the same IP/info as I connected with the file explorer but no luck.
[04:29] <dr_willis> Lucenut:  look in your users .gvfs directory. the shares get mounted inside there
[04:29] <dr_willis>  the full path would be /home/yourusername/.gvfs
[04:29] <grndlvl> ha found something that might be down the right alley
[04:29] <Lucenut> I couldn't find anything like .gvfs
[04:29] <grndlvl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1076498
[04:30] <dr_willis> Lucenut:  look again.. ;)  you do realize things that begin with a . are hidden by default in the file manager.. type in the full path
[04:30] <Lucenut> Type it in where?
[04:31] <Lucenut> Ecplise doesn't have an address box.
[04:33] <dr_willis> use the normal file manager perhaps?
[04:34] <dr_willis> I dontuse eclipse.. so no idea how it works
[04:34] <Lucenut> OK, there is an address box. I typed in smb://<IP_ADDRESS>/wwwroot and it's just grinding.
[04:34] <dr_willis> smb:// is a special kind of address used by Gnome/gtk/ type apps.. TRY the .gvfs directory
[04:35] <dr_willis> not all apps support smb:// type nameing
[04:35] <HowardTheDuck> hi is ubuntu a good operation system
[04:35] <dr_willis> HowardTheDuck:  works very well for most people/
[04:35] <Lucenut> Just type ".gvfs" in the address bar?
[04:35] <xrs> HowardTheDuck,  Ubuntu Studio is better
[04:35] <waver> so far so good using the PCI Sata
[04:35] <HowardTheDuck> s-s-studio
[04:35] <waver> shall see if it freezes
[04:35] <dr_willis> Lucenut:  again.. i DONT use eclipse..  however you enter a path to save/load files.. you look in your .gvfs directory
[04:35] <josesierra> Wondering if somebody might know something about this or maybe point me in the right direction: I'm running Gnome Shell 3.6 and it just gobbles up memory like crazy
[04:36] <HowardTheDuck> i have 10.04 but im afraid to upgarde
[04:36] <josesierra> Unity does as well, even more than Gnome Shell...
[04:36] <HowardTheDuck> because of this g-nome
[04:36] <dr_willis> !10.04
[04:36] <cfhowlett> HowardTheDuck, gnome will not prevent upgrades ... what do you mean
[04:36] <xrs> open the task manager and see whats taking up all the memory
[04:36] <dr_willis> gnome-2 is basically dead.. time to bury it and move on. ;)
[04:37] <HowardTheDuck> wow dead is a strong word
[04:37] <cfhowlett> HowardTheDuck, xubuntu and lubuntu are lightweight alternatives
[04:37] <HowardTheDuck> i like gnome do
[04:37] <dr_willis> I wouldent say its strong enough.. its been sick for a long time.
[04:37] <dr_willis> Theres numerous docks in 12.10  you can play with
[04:37] <Lucenut> "file:///.gvfs"
[04:37] <dr_willis> Ive heard plank is nice.. but not sure if its in the default repos. (it may be to new)
[04:37] <zykotick9> dr_willis: gnome2 is dead.  and gnome3 fallback is even living-dead at this point ;)
[04:37] <cfhowlett> HowardTheDuck, don't upgrade yet.  install xubuntu-desktop and lubuntu-desktop and try them out.
[04:38] <OerHeks> and Kubuntu
[04:38] <HowardTheDuck> i have the verion of lubuntu that was around when 10.04 ubuntu came out installed on my centrino laptop
[04:38] <dr_willis> Yep. Not heard lately if gnome-fallback is on or off the chopping block at this time.. ;) i wouldent count on it being around for much longer
[04:38] <dr_willis> 12.10 lubuntu is very nice
[04:39] <crippledmonk> Anyone ever use crunchbang? Don't hit me. just asking.
[04:39] <HowardTheDuck> nestles crunch
[04:39]  * cfhowlett smacks crippledmonk ...
[04:39] <dr_willis> I just install openbox :) if i need openbox
[04:39] <dr_willis> or blackbox. or fluxbox. or whatever ;)
[04:40] <Lucenut> Dr. Willis I tried "file:///.gvfs", "file://.gvfs"
[04:40] <crippledmonk> That's the great thing about linux. LOT'S of choices
[04:40] <singharkirat> Hie
[04:40] <singharkirat> I m nd
[04:40] <Lucenut> Nothing works.
[04:40] <cfhowlett> singharkirat, greetings
[04:41] <singharkirat> I m new to ubuntu, can i know how to update this thing... :-/
[04:41] <dr_willis> Lucenut:  how about just /home/yourusername/.gvfs ?
[04:41] <timaaa> Im in the middle of setting up xbuntu and im wondering how to do a partion
[04:41] <cfhowlett> singharkirat, what version
[04:41] <dr_willis> !manual
[04:41] <dr_willis> timaaa:  how to do what partition? what sort of layout your partions should be in? depends on your needs.
[04:42] <singharkirat> 12.04
[04:42] <cfhowlett> singharkirat, you want to upgrade to a new version of ubuntu or just update 12.04?
[04:42] <timaaa> How to do a partion to install xbuntu
[04:43] <singharkirat> Just update
[04:43] <dr_willis> timaaa:  the installer can auto partition. Or you an do it by hand.
[04:43] <cfhowlett> singharkirat, just run update manager  system>update manager
[04:43] <Toph2> dr_willis,,, i'm just followin the thread.. In my directory, .gvfs is a directory not a file
[04:44] <dr_willis> Toph2:  thats correct.. it is a directory that contains all the samba mounts and other special mounts
[04:44] <Toph2> dr_willis,,, ok
[04:44] <singharkirat> Thanks
[04:45] <cfhowlett> singharkirat, have fun, be safe
[04:45] <singharkirat> Do we have something to shrink a,partition?
[04:45] <singharkirat> :)
[04:45] <dr_willis> gparted can do all that singharkirat
[04:45] <Lucenut> Dr. Willis I can browse to /home/greg/ then I add ".gvfs" and it just sits there saying wait.
[04:46] <dr_willis> Lucenut:  try going there from your normal file manager.
[04:46] <singharkirat> I m not getting any shrinking option...
[04:47] <cfhowlett> singharkirat, you said you wanted to update ubuntu.  are you installing something now?
[04:47] <dr_willis> singharkirat: if your system is allready using 4 primary partitions   then you may have to do some work to repartion things
[04:47] <singharkirat> I installed
[04:48] <Lucenut> Nope, can't find .gvfs in the file explorer.
[04:48] <cfhowlett> singharkirat, so why are you now shrinking partitions?  To accomplish what?
[04:48] <zykotick9> dr_willis: huge advantage of gtp, no primary partition limit :)
[04:48] <zykotick9> s/gtp/gpt/
[04:50] <megha> is their a software for fxp transfter ?
[04:50] <cfhowlett> megha, fxp?  you mean ftp?
[04:50] <Nickelx> hello all, this might be a strange question to come to the irc about, but does anyone know of a gameboy advance emulator that's compatible with 12.10?? I'm having issues with visualboy advance and have been looking for fixes and whatnot to no avail.
[04:50] <megha> cfhowlett: no i meant fxp
[04:50] <dr_willis> fxp - Hmm.. i recall seeing that asked befor.. thats some sort of modified ftp.. i think we  looked into it and a great many of the ftp clients did it.... but ive never used fxp
[04:50] <dr_willis> couldent really see the point of fxp ;)
[04:51] <singharkirat> I hv 3 primary partitions..  I want to shrink one and make them 4
[04:51] <cfhowlett> singharkirat, boot your ubuntu cd/usb.  fire up gparted.  shrink (CAREFULLY).  Remove the boot CD/USB and restart ubuntu
[04:52] <BlackDalek> how do I send quick chat messages over a LAN? Is there any program for this in Ubuntu?
[04:52] <zykotick9> Nickelx: i've used mednafen for gba in the past
[04:52] <dr_willis> BlackDalek:  depends on how the other guys are logged in if they will see them or not and what apps you should be using
[04:52] <singharkirat> Thanks
[04:52] <megha> dr_willis: it useless but i have no other way than to use fxp
[04:52] <Nickelx> zykotick9: thanks hombre, i'll google that right now! <3
[04:52] <dr_willis> megha:  try the various ftp clients and see i guess.
[04:53] <megha> dr_willis: can you name some of the clients ?
[04:53] <bsmith093> any ideas, update manager works fine, but apt cant find any server i try and connect it to, and every other web thing works perfectly
[04:53] <BlackDalek> dr_willis, this is over a the same LAN (everyone will be using the same client) - NOT over internet...
[04:53] <dr_willis> megha:  apt-cache search ftp        nautilus has ftp built in also
[04:53] <BlackDalek> Does such an app exist for Ubuntu?
[04:53] <megha> dr_willis: ok :)
[04:53] <dr_willis> BlackDalek:  using whata same 'client' ?  are they sshed in? in X in what?
[04:54] <singharkirat> I have installed ubuntu 12.10 on my lenovo thinkstation s20, on some of them every thing is fine but on some the system hangs after grub... Amy help
[04:54] <dr_willis> I thought the ubuntu IM stuff had some sort of "local network" chat feature
[04:55] <singharkirat> I noticed that the graphics appear very poor on the system with this problem...
[04:55] <Nickelx> zykotick9: i just installed that via apt, and i can't find it, why would that be?
[04:55] <BlackDalek> dr_willis, I think it used to.. but now everything seems to be geared towards needing to go through the interent :(... I am trying to find something that will allow IM over a LAN without needing internet connection to function...
[04:56] <BlackDalek> internet*
[04:57] <BlackDalek> dr_willis, LAN IM client would need to run on either Ubuntu 12.04 or 12.10, as that is what all PCs are using.
[04:57] <cfhowlett> singharkirat, check for restricted/proprietary drivers.  Also, if you are installing for work deployment machines, I'd suggest you install 12.04, the Long Term Support release
[04:58] <bsmith093> apparentyl anon proxy will screw up apt, dunno why but one quick purge and i can apt-get again
[04:58] <waver> hmmmm
[04:58] <dr_willis> BlackDalek:  you could set up some sort of jabber or irc server for the lan to use. that may be the easiest thing.
[04:59] <waver> keelG you still around?
[04:59] <zykotick9> Nickelx: it's a cli starting app, with a quasi-GUI once started.  from terminal try "mednafen /path/to/rom"
[04:59] <waver> damn server froze again! UGH
[04:59] <Nickelx> kk, i'll give it a shot
[05:02] <arun_> hey
[05:02] <arun_> huys
[05:02] <arun_> i have a problem
[05:03] <arun_> can any one help me
[05:03] <Nickelx> zykotick9: thanks a billion, this is awesome. :D
[05:03] <Lucenut> Hmm still no luck connecting to windows shares from Eclipse. I can with file explorer smb//...
[05:04] <zykotick9> Nickelx: read the instructions, it's got lots of options!  fyi alt+shift+1 to config joy1 ;)
[05:05] <arun_> hey guys help me anyone /
[05:06] <arun_> help me guuuuuuuuuuuuuuuyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyysssssssssssssssssss
[05:06] <Nickelx> zykotick9: lmao, i was going to ask that soon enough!!!!!
 can any one help me [10:45] == karakedi [~eAC53C340@unaffiliated/orphan] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] [10:45] == NaN123<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu [10:45] == cfhowlett<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit [Quit: Leaving] [10:45] == jSwan<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has left #ubuntu [] [10:46] <Nickelx> zykotick9: thanks a billion, this is awesome. :D [10:46] <Lucenut> Hmm still no luck c
[05:07] <arun_> hey is anyone listening me
[05:07] <arun_> mn
[05:07] <arun_> man
[05:07] <dr_willis> arun_:    it would help if you stated the actual problem more then spamming
[05:07] <arun_> thanks man
[05:08] <Lucenut> Anyone know how to connect to windows shares from Eclipse?
[05:08] <arun_> Hey how to remove pdf copyright security ?
[05:08] <tonsofpcs> magic
[05:08] <dr_willis> Lucenut:  there is the eclise channels perhaps.
[05:09] <alejandro_> hi
[05:09] <alejandro_> anybody here speak spanish?
[05:09] <alejandro_> i have a doubt about the installation of some drivers
[05:09] <tonsofpcs> alejandro_: there is a #ubuntu-es I believe
[05:09] <arun_> Hey how to remove pdf copyright security ?
[05:09] <dr_willis> !es
[05:10] <dr_willis> arun_:  thats not really a ubuntu support type issue.. and i think the answer is 'you dont'
[05:10] <arun_> oh is there any pdf support channel?
[05:10] <tonsofpcs> yes, http://www.adobe.com/
[05:11] <alejandro_> i have installed  ubunto 10.4 but the wifi driver cant recognize any red
[05:11] <tonsofpcs> alejandro_: "network" (not "red")
[05:11] <ac1> Why no 12.04?
[05:11] <arun_> hey is there any theme for ubuntu 12.1
[05:12] <tonsofpcs> you probably need a specific driver for your wifi card.  Why not try 12.04 or 12.10?
[05:12] <cfhowlett> !who
[05:12] <alejandro_> because 12.10 cant recognize the red (network)
[05:12] <xangua> arun_: you can find lots of in gnome-look.org
[05:12] <alejandro_> tonsofpcs come on!!!!
[05:12] <tonsofpcs> as you can see, only three people have said anything in the past 20 minutes.  If you think the conversation is ambiguous, you can ask for clarification.
[05:13] <arun_> !tab thanks
[05:13] <arun_> !tab
[05:13] <alejandro_> !tonsofpc because 12.10 cant recognize the red (network)
[05:13] <tonsofpcs> alejandro_: perhaps an issue with the card?  is this a laptop with a wifi on/off switch? my netbook requires I force the wifi on in BIOS.
[05:13]  * dr_willis feels he should point out that !COMMANDS are bot triggers
[05:14] <ac1> !commands
[05:14]  * tonsofpcs !facepalms
[05:14] <alejandro_> i dont thing so, i have installed ubuntu four times, two time 12.4 and two times with 10.4
[05:14] <alejandro_> and nothing
[05:15] <tonsofpcs> alejandro_: fn key plus a wifi symbol on one of the top keys maybe?
[05:15] <dr_willis> 10.04 is nearing its end of life.
[05:15] <alejandro_> !tonsofpcs nope
[05:15] <dr_willis> alejandro_:  dont put a ! befor their name
[05:16] <alejandro_> dr_willis, i write what i want
[05:16] <mhs> Hi
[05:16] <dr_willis> alejandro_:  then you are not paying attention.. !commands are bot triggers.. so you are going to be constantly spamming the bot..
[05:16] <dr_willis> alejandro_:  this will most likely annoy people
[05:16] <tonsofpcs> dr_willis: I think he's using google translate or something...
[05:16] <PhysicsBrain> Hello fellas! How can I enable the sudo password in the 12.10 QQ. My system do not require the password!!
[05:16] <tonsofpcs> alejandro_: si quieres ayuda en espanol, /join #ubuntu-es
[05:17] <tonsofpcs> PhysicsBrain: visudo
[05:17] <alejandro_> no problem i can understand you tonsofpcs
[05:17] <dr_willis> PhysicsBrain:  we have to wonder how it got disabled.
[05:17] <alejandro_> how i can switch on my network card using bios?
[05:18] <tonsofpcs> alejandro_: depends on the BIOS.  My work netbook can't function with linux using the wifi because the switch is handled by software
[05:18] <PhysicsBrain> tonsofpcs: Only this and my system will require the system password?
[05:18] <amartin_> leave
[05:19] <tonsofpcs> PhysicsBrain: please read the file and/or its man page.
[05:19] <mhs> My micromax data card is not working properly in ubuntu 12.10. The device is not detecting at all.
[05:19] <tonsofpcs> alejandro_: I had one laptop that I had to dual-boot windows with because you needed to manually enable the wifi in windows each time you shut down completely, then reboot to linux.
[05:19] <dr_willis> mhs:  and whats a micromax data card?
[05:19] <PhysicsBrain> Alone! I did not anything to disable it!
[05:19] <tonsofpcs> alejandro_: may  be easier to get a USB wifi card.
[05:19] <alejandro_> mmm ok
[05:20] <PhysicsBrain> Why tonsofpcs?
[05:20] <cfhowlett> !paste
[05:20] <alejandro_> im going to seek a tutorial in web
[05:20] <tonsofpcs> PhysicsBrain: because otherwise you might break your system
[05:21] <PhysicsBrain> Ok. Thanks, but, i have to add any line in the visudo file?
[05:23] <dr_willis> PhysicsBrain:  so you did a clean install of 12.10 and the sudo password was disabled by default?
[05:23] <bekub> hi
[05:24] <cfhowlett> bekub, greetings
[05:25] <bekub> HI
[05:25] <PhysicsBrain> dr_willis: No! I just had change the file! this is weird, i know. It's ok now!
[05:25] <bekub> HI
[05:25] <cfhowlett> bekub, greetings ... again
[05:27] <PhysicsBrain> dr_willis: I did a upgrade. 12.04 -> 12.10! I did something to chande it! I fix it yet!
[05:28] <PhysicsBrain> why in this chat show the ip?
[05:28] <PhysicsBrain> This is crazy!
[05:28] <dr_willis> !cloak
[05:29] <dr_willis> PhysicsBrain:   hasent been an issue for the decades that irc has existed...
[05:30] <PhysicsBrain> Ok!! No problem. Bye fellas!! Good day!!
[05:40] <cipher__> hi, i'm using pulse-audio & alsa, recently no sound devices have shown up to play through, the audio bar is grayed out and such. i recall I fixed this one by deleting a file and restarting my computer, can anyone point me toward that?
[05:40] <cipher__> this once by*
[05:40] <cipher__> err, it was directory actually
[05:40] <dr_willis> the  .pulse* stuff in your home directory perhaps
[05:41] <cipher__> will it re-populate the file if i purge it?
[05:41] <dr_willis> if you are worried about it.. move/rename it.
[05:41] <cipher__> *thanks.
[05:41] <dr_willis> and see
[05:41] <cipher__> ok
[05:41] <cipher__> thank you
[05:41] <dr_willis> You said you deleted it befor. ;)
[05:46] <Frank604> hi
[05:46] <dr_willis> Hello
[05:48] <Frank604> pretty quiet here
[05:48] <Guest73216> derp
[05:48] <dr_willis> Its Sunday Morning. :)
[05:49] <alessandro_> a
[05:49] <LiThiuME3> b
[05:49] <alessandro_> c
[05:49] <virusuy> dr_willis: here in Uruguay it's 3am :P
[05:49] <Frank604> it is 9:49 pm saturday here
[05:50] <SegFaultAX> How can I determine which source a package will come from?
[05:50] <SegFaultAX> Via apt or dpkg.
[05:50] <alessandro_> it is 06:52 am here
[05:51] <Frank604> apt-cache policy packagename ?
[05:51] <SegFaultAX> Frank604: Yup, just landed. Thanks.
[05:52] <Frank604> No problemo Mr. Bernard
[05:55] <kewel> what's the apt-get command to show installed packages matching 'java' ?
[05:55] <dr_willis> apt-cache search pattern
[05:55] <dr_willis> !apt
[05:55] <kewel> swee ot
[05:56] <kewel> ack too much .. how do I remove java 7?
[05:56] <dr_willis> depends on how you isntalled it.
[05:56] <dr_willis> apt-get remove packagename
[05:56] <dr_willis> !java
[05:57] <dr_willis> or install some other java and just tell the system to use the other java
[05:57] <LiteBeer> kewel: dpkg -l '*java*' | grep ^ii
[05:57] <kewel> I used sudo apt-get install oracle-java7-installer
[05:57] <dr_willis> cant say ive ever needed to uninstall java. ;) so never really tried it.
[05:57] <kewel> I'm trying to downgrade to java 6 ..
[05:58] <kewel> my roommate is trying to play games on pogo .. and this piii 1ghz 512 is having trouble with java (i think)
[05:59] <kewel> I did 'sudo apt-get install oracle-java6-installer' .. but I tested my java version on the web and it's still 7
[05:59] <dr_willis> there is a way you can have both installed and switch btween them.
[06:00] <kewel> ooh
[06:00] <kewel> do tell!
[06:00] <dr_willis> see the !java factoid url
[06:00] <dr_willis> i belive its in there
[06:00] <LiteBeer> kewel: try: update-alternatives --config java
[06:02] <kewel> got it
[06:02] <kewel> do I need to restart chrome?
[06:02] <xrs> i would
[06:07] <PrincessLuna> Anyone with an ultrabook? How are you using the msata drive?
[06:08] <kewel> hmm
[06:08] <mhs> Can any body tell me the Indian chatting rooms
[06:09] <kewel> changed to default to 6 .. rebooted .. listed version options with 'sudo update-alternatives --config java' -- told me 6 .. like I told it to .. however when I go to a java test page in chrome it says I'm running 7
[06:09] <kewel> it makes sense if that doesn't make sense
[06:09] <timmm> Hello im about to set up xbuntu and im wondering how to comfigue the hard drive
[06:10] <sakui> why does my screen go blank in ubuntu server 12.04.1 x86 after grub bootloader?
[06:11] <xrs> timmm,  i would make a swap partition that is = in size to the amount of ram you have, the rest depends on how big the hard drive is but you want the largest partition to be /home  (you will need a "/" partition. this is where xubuntu and its apps will install to.)
[06:12] <xrs> !in
[06:13] <timmm> So currently i have a hard drive configured for windows 7. So do i need to resize the partions? Xrs
[06:15] <xrs> if you want it on the win7 hard drive and you have no "unallocated" space, yes you will need to resize the partition. in that case you are better off with a small SWAP and all else partitioned as "/" (not haveing a /home partition will make things harder in the long run but for your setup thats the easiest way)
[06:15] <xrs> BACK UP YOUR DATA
[06:15] <timmm> I got a bacckup
[06:15] <timmm> Im confused by what to do
[06:16] <xrs> well then resize the windows partition to give you however much linux space you want and let Xubuntu take care of the rest
[06:17] <timmm> Im not sure how to resize a partion. Call me a noob its okay, xrs
[06:17] <dr_willis> the installer can resize existing windows partions. or you can use gparted from a live cd for total control.
[06:17] <xrs> there is a program called gparted (i think xubuntu put it in the Settings Manager in the launcher menu)
[06:18] <xrs> gparted is like windows disk management
[06:18] <dr_willis> typical layout for a windows/xubuntu sustem  -->    (primary windows ntfs - a few 100gb+)  (extended partion with logicals for  Luubntu /  and swap)
[06:18] <Ray> its usually by clicking mouse right button > resize/shrink
[06:18] <dr_willis> or you could use all primaries if you wanted to. but theres a limit to 4 of those with non-gpt systems
[06:19] <Ray> ensure that if u use gparted, ntfs supported. (ntfsprogs)
[06:19] <xrs> use gparted to resize the windows partition and let the xubuntu installer handle the rest of the partitioning. be sure you tell it you want to dual boot with windows
[06:20] <xrs> xubuntu's gparted comes with ntfs-utils
[06:20] <Ray> great
[06:20] <dr_willis> My normal disk layout -->     (windows) (linux / 30gb) (/home big as i can get it) (1gb swap)
[06:21] <timmm> so do i need a usb to us gparted?
[06:21] <Ray> recomendded swap is 2x of your ram, but its not a "rule" on making swap
[06:21] <xrs> no
[06:21] <Spanky100> dr_willis:  You using any utility in Windows to access your home directory?
[06:21] <dr_willis> a gparted-live cd/usb s a very handy tool
[06:21] <timmm> Dont have disc drive
[06:22] <dr_willis> Spanky100:  any of the windows tools to access ext* ive found very flakey.
[06:22] <xrs> timm go to the launcher menu (the mouse thingy in the upper-left) select Settings Manager -> gparted
[06:22] <Spanky100> Me too.  that's why I asked...
[06:22] <Ray> no usb need
[06:22] <timmm> I dont see it xrs..
[06:23] <Ray> akh, u use xubuntu?
[06:23] <Spanky100> dr_willis:  You formatting home with NTFS then? I presume you mean to imply that /home is on a separate partition...
[06:23] <xrs> okay let me switch over to my xubuntu PC
[06:23] <Ray> definitely
[06:23] <timmm> Im running off my usb key with xbuntu
[06:23] <dr_willis> Spanky100  You dont use NTFS for home
[06:24] <dr_willis> I use 4 primary partions
[06:24] <dr_willis> My current setup has /home on its own 3TB hard drive.
[06:24] <Ray> wow
[06:24] <Spanky100> No I don't....  Was wondering if you do though with your 3rd partition so you can see it in your windows directory...
[06:25] <Spanky100> Or is third partition /home just ext3 or ext4
[06:25] <timmm> Okay i have a windows netbook running xubuntu from my usb key and am trying to install it.
[06:26] <Ray> owh
[06:26] <Spanky100> I've kind of given up on multi-boot systems.  I've pretty much dedicated on box Linux or Windows and kind of just stick with it...
[06:26] <apos> timmm do you see a round blue icon with a mouse in the upper left corner of the screen?
[06:26] <timmm> Yup
[06:26] <apos> click that then click settings manager
[06:26] <apos> gparted is in there
[06:26] <Ray> thats it~
[06:27] <Ray> step-by-step makes it easier
[06:27] <timmm> I dont see it
[06:27] <dr_willis> I rarely boot into windows these days. its on its own hd on most of my systems
[06:28] <Spanky100> New VMware Workstation 9.X working pretty well on Ubuntu 12.04 over here.... Have to give credit to the VMWare guys.  The interface is clean.
[06:28] <Ray> on xubuntu, is Gparted included on the live CD/USB?
[06:28] <apos> yes
[06:28] <apos> it disapears after install but its there for the install
[06:28] <dr_willis> Ray:  if its not.. you can install it  and it will install to ram. so you can use it
[06:28] <dr_willis> ;)
[06:28] <Ray> yeah
[06:29] <Spanky100> I'm about 75/25.  Work applications necessitate some Windows...  Been trying to stick with Ubuntu or variants for all my server tasks.
[06:29] <dr_willis> theres specific gparted live cds you can get also
[06:29] <timmm> Found it
[06:29] <Ray> nah
[06:29] <timmm> Under system
[06:29] <Spanky100> 75% Windows unfortunately.  Lot of time on the workstation....
[06:30] <Ray> hmm, keep you're eyes open, you just opened it when find the gparted~
[06:30] <apos> i havent touched a windows pc since i found ubuntu studio
[06:30] <timmm> Ya i found gparted
[06:30] <Ray> open it -_-
[06:30] <timmm> It is open
[06:31] <dr_willis> now may be a good time to watch a gparted tutorial or 2 on youtube. ;)
[06:31] <apos> right click on your windows partition and choose resize
[06:31] <Ray> try to locate the win partition
[06:31] <dr_willis> and.. you DO have backups allready made?
[06:31] <timmm> Yup
[06:31] <dr_willis> you do know how to restore from thebackups? ;)   seen that happen once...
[06:31] <Ray> haha
[06:32] <timmm> Okay so ive got 284 gigs total of my main partion
[06:32] <Ray> he know it, he plays with partition!
[06:32] <apos> now you need to decide how much space you want for linux
[06:32] <Spanky100> timm:  Of all the utilities I've used on Windows Images - I would recommend Macrium Reflect.  Unless you are are sure your image is bulletproof.
[06:32] <apos> i would say no less than 16GB
[06:33] <Ray> yeah
[06:33] <timmm> I think ill go about 84
[06:33] <Ray> right click on the desired partition > resize/move
[06:34] <Ray> you're on making a place for the new neighborhood~
[06:35] <timmm> Frig its giving me errors
[06:35] <Spanky100> ... so your internet explorers can become firefox explorers ...
[06:35] <Ray> what error?
[06:36] <Ray> haha, how about Mozilla Internet..??
[06:36] <timmm> Its giving me error codes
[06:36] <Spanky100> Chromium Explorer
[06:36] <Ray> yeah, i mean could you explain it more detail..?
[06:37] <Spanky100> ...(hope you've got a good image)...
[06:37] <Ray> type here what you read there in the error
[06:37] <apos> Redo!  DVD containing the "factory" image.
[06:38] <Ray> partition training just by the chat, what....
[06:38] <Ray> timm Make sure you've unmounted the partition.
[06:39] <Ray> any responds?
[06:40] <timmm> Im gunna send you a screenshot of what ive got
[06:41] <Ray> Great
[06:41] <apos> k
[06:42] <Ray> i assume youre uploading the image and giving me the link? ok
[06:42] <damian_^> hi, where can i find a global menu for xfce xubuntu? there is a few ppa's but none seem to be up to date for quantal...
[06:43] <timmm> Yup ray
[06:43] <Ray> haha
[06:43] <apos> sudo apt-get install main-menu?
[06:44] <damian_^> apparently there is an indicator-applet-appmenu but i cant find that either...
[06:44] <apos> thats broken
[06:45] <apos> i say use main-menu and organize the launcher menu to your liking?
[06:45] <apos> or are you trying to do something else?
[06:45] <Ray> not a good idea, but its needed.
[06:46] <zaraki> my wifi isnt working on ubuntu 12.04 lts, but working on other OS. solutions?
[06:46] <damian_^> sorry apos was that to me?
[06:46] <apos> yeah
[06:46] <Ray> zaraki you dont yet installed the wireless driver i suppose...
[06:47] <apos> zaraki,  try installing ndis wrapper, otherwise we'll need to know what chipset it uses
[06:47] <timmm> Http://imgur.com/DPEWbch
[06:47] <Ray> ok
[06:47] <zaraki> ok
[06:47] <damian_^> sorry,  by global menu i mean that osx style file, edit, etc, in the panel
[06:48] <apos> timmm,  go into windows cmd and run chkdsk /f
[06:48] <apos> ur windows is borked
[06:48] <apos> a lil
[06:49] <apos> or you could install testdisk but id rather have windows fix windows
[06:49] <Ray> yeah, i supposed it to,
[06:49] <Ray> otherwise, chkdsk and shrink/resize from windows
[06:50] <apos> i dont think windows disk management will let you resize the system partition
[06:50] <damian_^> will gnome panel applets work in xfce somehow?
[06:50] <timmm> Windows is firing up
[06:50] <Ray> oh, i forgot it!
[06:50] <apos> damian_^,  i heared of new support for that in xfce but i know nothing about it
[06:51] <Ray> itself, the local disk c
[06:51] <damian_^> ill do a search :)
[06:51] <Ray> haha, resizing mounted and "itself" partition-_-
[06:52] <Ray> so, you're win partition makes the installation step stuck?
[06:52] <timmm> Yup
[06:53] <timmm> I cant go anywhere when i try and. Use the installer
[06:53] <Ray> ohm, okay
[06:53] <timmm> Its set up so i dont have any free hard drive space
[06:53] <Ray> try to use another partition, could you..?
[06:54] <apos> timmm,  go into windows cmd and run chkdsk /f
[06:55] <Ray> chkdsk /f, by the way, what the meaning of "/f? param..? i dont know
[06:55] <apos> fix
[06:56] <timmm> It says acsess denied as you do not have suffiect privallages. You have to invoke this utility in elvated mode.
[06:56] <apos> your not an admin
[06:56] <timmm> No i am.
[06:56] <apos> then your windows is a lot worse off than we thought
[06:56] <Ray> are you an Admin..?
[06:57] <timmm> Yes i am.
[06:57] <Ray> it just makes the progress stuck
[06:57] <Ray> try different partition, would you..?
[06:57] <timmm> Which one?
[06:58] <Ray> depending on the SCreenshot,
[06:58] <nomoney4u> Hello there.  Can anyone help me set up my computer? I recently made a switch over to Ubuntu 12.10 from Windows and realized that I don't have the drivers for my graphic card.  Do I need it?
[06:58] <apos> at this point ur windows is broken, not letting you run chkdsk. from here you need to talk to the guys in ##windows
[06:58] <aeon-ltd> nomoney4u: if you want to get any power from it then yeah
[06:58] <zaraki> ndiswrapper asked to install new driver, select 'inf' file. my comp has only ubuntu currently what to do?
[06:58] <Ray> dev/sda2..??
[06:59] <aeon-ltd> zaraki: you can extract drivers from the windows exes.
[06:59] <nomoney4u> aeon-ltd: So in my case, my graphic card is an ATI 4850 512mb.  Would I search for a linux driver for it?
[07:00] <apos> zaraki,  if its an internal wifi run "sudo lspci" or if USB run "sudo lsusb" and let us know what chipset the wifi is
[07:00] <timmm> I just ran command propt with admin permissions and i gave up some stuff
[07:00] <aeon-ltd> !ati
[07:00] <aeon-ltd> nomoney4u: there
[07:01] <nomoney4u> Thank you both of you.
[07:01] <nomoney4u> oops, that was a bot :P
[07:01] <aeon-ltd> :)
[07:01] <apos> it happens
[07:01] <zaraki> 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev 93)
[07:01] <zaraki> 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation ICH9M LPC Interface Controller (rev 03)
[07:01] <zaraki> 00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 82801IBM/IEM (ICH9M/ICH9M-E) 4 port SATA Controller [AHCI mode] (rev 03)
[07:01] <zaraki> 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 03)
[07:01] <zaraki> 08:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 03)
[07:01] <FloodBot1> zaraki: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[07:01] <zaraki> 0e:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4322 802.11a/b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller (rev 01)
[07:01] <apos> whoa there nelly ur gonna get urself kicked
[07:01] <Ray> haha
[07:01] <timmm> Apos, got it runnig
[07:02] <TheLordOfTime> !pastebin | zaraki
[07:02] <apos> timmm,  restart the mnachine, let chkdsk /f run then boot back into xubuntu n try gparted again
[07:02] <kewel> lubuntu 12.04 on p3 1ghz 512mb -- downgraded to java 6 .. and I still can't get the java games on pogo to work .. is this a lost cause?
[07:02] <apos> so zaraki  is using a BCM4322 chipset
[07:03] <kewel> [pogo.com]
[07:03] <apos> kewel,  whats the address? ill try it on mine
[07:03] <kewel> ^^=)
[07:04] <Ray> how about looking drivers up on Jockey-gtk or -kde?
[07:04] <zaraki> so, what do u want me to do?
[07:05] <timmm> There was some corrupt stuff
[07:05] <Ray> huh..
[07:05] <timmm> Still going
[07:06] <Ray> ok, just get back to xubuntu, gparted, choose dev/sda (unmount it) and resize it
[07:06] <timmm> i willl when its done.
[07:06] <kewel> can anyone think of a cool website I can test my java inst on? games or something?
[07:07] <Ray> i recommend 20-30 Gb on it, if you want.
[07:07] <apos> zaraki,  check out: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=896713
[07:07] <timmm> Ray i think i will do 80
[07:08] <Ray> yeah, but the sda2 is not enough for it, is it "66 GB"..? i cant see it
[07:09] <apos> kewel,  i am able to play bloons2 on pogo.com
[07:09] <kewel> apos: what kinda puter you got?
[07:09] <Ray> 106687f74a1273d.v
[07:09] <apos> this machine is a basiclly fresh xubuntu 12.04 install
[07:09] <kewel> cpu ram?
[07:10] <apos> core2 duo, 3GB
[07:10] <kewel> Is java friggin my puter up?
[07:10] <kewel> piii1ghz 512mb
[07:10] <apos> i am using firefox
[07:10] <kewel> =(
[07:10] <apos> 512 is very low
[07:10] <Ray> haha timm dont  give up
[07:10] <kewel> firefox is too slow on this .. I'm using chrome
[07:11] <apos> you need to add at least another 256 to that machine to expect pogo to work
[07:11] <nomoney4u> Would anyone of you recommend doing gaming over virtualbox rather than dual booting to windows?
[07:11] <kewel> that's what I figured
[07:11] <kewel> that's what I'll tell my roomie
[07:11] <kewel> java is as java does
[07:11] <kewel> my momma always said
[07:11]  * kewel has a wonderful, nurturing mother
[07:12] <kewel> and a dumb sense of humor
[07:12] <Ray> haha
[07:12] <kewel> alright
[07:12] <kewel> me not my mom
[07:12] <kewel> ANYWAYS
[07:12] <kewel> does java fuxx0r up my system when I'm not running java apps?
[07:13] <Gorroth> hi
[07:13] <apos> you will definately know when java is in use, otherwise it wont do much but take up space
[07:13] <kewel> that's what I thought.  neato.
[07:13] <Ray> i live at java, using java~
[07:13] <Gorroth> i'm using the ATI Gallium drivers, but there is no /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and i don't see the gallium drivers setup under /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/.  where is this info?
[07:14] <Gorroth> because i'm trying to use xrandr or change the configs manually to select the proper primary display in my dual monitor setup
[07:14] <damian_^> can someone please try decipher how to find the ppa related to this package?   https://launchpad.net/~nilarimogard/+archive/test/+build/3966766
[07:14] <zaraki> tar (child): hybrid-portsrc-x86_32_5_10_27_6.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory, apos?
[07:14] <damian_^> i cant find the appropriate ppa on that page...
[07:15] <apos> zaraki,  type ls and make sure the file is in the folder your currently in
[07:16] <Spanky100> Java has really kicked some people in the booty crack these last couple of weeks.  More holes than a pile of swiss cheeese...
[07:16] <Ray> haha
[07:17] <eoin_> hey anyone know anything about subtle tiling window manager?
[07:17] <Spanky100> I had three clients with problems related to Java exploits with trojans, malware, viruses likely coming through Java...
[07:17] <Spanky100> All in past two weeks.
[07:18] <apos> damian_^,  my guess would be to look / ask this guy: https://launchpad.net/~lamont
[07:18] <Ray> java??
[07:18] <wector> How install fln
[07:18] <dr_willis> ill take a double latte
[07:18] <Ray> yeah sometime it makes me daft~
[07:18] <Spanky100> What I don't understand is why there is not an automated update for Java on the 64-bit version of Windows.  Not a good idea as that is probably the more popular version of Windows right now.
[07:18] <dr_willis> wector: whats fln
[07:19] <Ray> yeah, you right
[07:19] <wector> This is a post nuclear rpg
[07:20] <Ray> i dont really far knowing about java code
[07:20] <aeon-ltd> eoin_: ask the question succeeding that question
[07:20] <apos> Spanky100,  its not listed as a recommended update?
[07:20] <dr_willis> wector: so its a linux game?
[07:20] <eoin_> ok, how do i get to the linux mint irc?
[07:20] <aeon-ltd> eoin_: ##linuxmint
[07:20] <Ray> but my laptop seems getting "java exception" when i try to run my fav apps
[07:20] <eoin_> in x chat i cant see it in the network list
[07:21] <apos> i wasnt away mint had its own irc server
[07:21] <apos> aware*
[07:21] <aeon-ltd> eoin_: ? it's on freenode
[07:21] <dr_willis> their main channel is not in freenode
[07:21] <aeon-ltd> oh
[07:22] <dr_willis> !mint
[07:22] <Ray> different distro
[07:22] <apos> !ubuntustudio
[07:23] <Ray> its like you disscussing about red hat, suse, some others.
[07:24] <Ray> tim123 = timmm?
[07:24] <tim123> Yup
[07:24] <Ray> same source
[07:25] <eoin_> ok still lost how exactly do i get to linuxmint-help
[07:26] <apos> point your xchat to connect to irc.spotchat.org
[07:27] <dr_willis> or click on the link'  if that showed as a link
[07:27] <Ray> Dynamic Topic
[07:28] <Pie_> hi all
[07:28] <virusuy> Pie_: 'sup !
[07:29] <Pie_> whats going today ?
[07:29] <apos> !ot
[07:30] <Ray> wanna ask, better go here instead of the forum-_- waiting for answers
[07:30] <tim123> So got an install
[07:30] <tim123> :D
[07:30] <Ray> installed tim123..?
[07:30] <tim123> Just about
[07:31] <Ray> hoping succesful
[07:31] <omkar_> exit
[07:31] <tim123> I hope
[07:31] <blackheart> sir today i istalled ubuntu 12.10 and tried to remove unity with sudo apt-get remove unity* and sudo apt-get autoremove when i  restarted no ita dialog box comes says uable to detect garphics adpter  display and input devices i can navigate as keybord dosent works here so please help me to get ubuntu running with awesome wm
[07:31] <Pie_> do Ubuntu has Ambassdors like Fedora did ?
[07:31] <apos> tim123,  if thats not a junker of a PC i would *highly* recommend Ubuntu Studio. same look and feel, less headache
[07:31] <Ray> haha
[07:31] <apos> Pie_,  i believe so
[07:32] <tim123> Its a netbook -_-
[07:32] <Pie_> apos, can you tell how to join them
[07:32] <apos> then xubuntu was the best choice
[07:32] <apos> ubuntu.com
[07:32] <Ray> blackheart why you did you removed unity..?
[07:33] <apos> cuz he didnt like it?
[07:33] <blackheart> low system  =_=
[07:33] <badday> I have trouble to start programs with Sugar 0.90 from the official ubuntu sources, is it recommended to use the outdated version of the official sources? I use ubuntu 12.04 ARM
[07:33] <Ray> haha
[07:34] <Ray> you cant remove unity instead of change it
[07:34] <apos> i have *never* seen sugar work.
[07:34] <Ray> sugar? work?
[07:34] <cub> sugar tastes best in tea
[07:34] <blackheart> so sir i installed unity again then also same dialog box comming
[07:35] <Ray> then we better moving to ##culiner :D
[07:35] <apos> blackheart,  if you can get to a command line interface, tyope sudo apt-get install awesome && sudo apt-get awesome-extra
[07:36] <badday> apos: well, sugar itself seems to run well
[07:36] <Ray> blackheart when you uninstall & install unity, few of packages are lost
[07:36] <apos>  type sudo apt-get install awesome && sudo apt-get install awesome-extra
[07:36] <aeon-ltd> i would not recommend tiling for those who aren't used to tiling
[07:37] <blackheart> ok i am just upgrading unity with command line
[07:37] <blackheart> *ubuntu
[07:37]  * washuu_de is back (gone 1105406:58:06)
[07:37] <blackheart> @ray can i manuly install them
[07:38] <tim123> Hey ray can i acsess my media on the windows partion or do i need to move it to the linux partion?
[07:38] <Ray> btw, im still on Junior High know... haha
[07:38] <kostkon> blackheart, also try giving:  sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop --reinstall
[07:38] <K5MWG> ?
[07:38] <Ray> tim123 YOU definitely can access them from xubuntu
[07:39] <apos> tim123,  yes linux can play with the windows files but dont hold your breath on windows getting along with linux
[07:39] <antonio_> hey folks
[07:39] <Guest24437> good morning
[07:39] <tim123> Okay thanks.
[07:39] <Ray> at my country, its evening
[07:39] <Guest24437> is someone out there to explain me a liite thing?
[07:39] <doomperdicion1> .
[07:39] <doomperdicion1> .
[07:39] <Guest24437> okay here its morning xD
[07:40] <antonio_> Ray, where at?
[07:40] <Ray> :D
[07:40] <Guest24437> than i say hello
[07:40] <dr_willis> !ask
[07:40] <doomperdicion1> .
[07:40] <tim123> Its 3AM here in canada
[07:40] <Ray> haha,
[07:40] <Guest24437> thx ill write it down :-d takes a moment
[07:40] <blackheart> its 1.10 pm in india :P
[07:40] <Ray> aah, sorry its afternoon now not evening
[07:41] <tim123> Yes i am canadain, i dont live in an igloo.
[07:41] <badday>  blackheart: and sunny here in delhi ;)
[07:41] <blackheart> xD
[07:42] <Ray> oooh, i called  my mother and unfortunately its my sister's friend -_-
[07:42] <Ray> here 2 AM
[07:43] <badday> back to topic, guys
[07:43] <Ray> 2 pm
[07:43] <cub> how to make unity run faster?
[07:43] <badday> Ray | !ask
[07:43] <Guest24437> So here we go. Im totally new to ubunut but i want to realize the following situation. Atm im runnning Win7. n my computer there are 3 hard drives with various partitions. On one of the hard drives i have a unpartitioned area, and here is where id like to install ubuntu. Note that this partion is NOT on the drive where win is installed. It shoulkd end up with a dualboot system. So i go to intall ubunut manually and ad
[07:43] <Ray> !ask
[07:44] <apos> cub,  reduce swapiness and move tempfs to RAM
[07:44]  * washuu_de is away: Away
[07:44]  * washuu_de is back (gone 00:00:01)
[07:44] <apos> try diff grfx drivers?
[07:44] <Ray> use "My Unity" decrease the size and its transparenity
[07:45] <cub> how do i do that
[07:45] <Ray> its an App
[07:45] <cub> apos?
[07:45] <cub> yes Ray i've used it
[07:45] <cub> and my graphics chip isnt supported so it really didnt help much
[07:45] <Ray> bloody right you do
[07:45] <eoin_> how many people are happy with unity as it is now?
[07:45] <apos> cub,  http://www.upubuntu.com/2012/06/11-tips-to-speed-up-computers-running.html
[07:46] <Ray> many people, definitely
[07:46] <apos> i ditched unity almost immediately. i keep trying it out as a touch screen OS but im just not happy with the menu
[07:46] <Ray> yeah, now im downloading gnome3
[07:47] <apos> xfce = boss
[07:47] <eoin_> same as me apos ubuntu is great linux distro it's just that UI
[07:47] <Ray> sometime bored with this unirt
[07:47] <cub> yeah the menu is crap
[07:47] <cub> my hardware is what is really giving me the problem tho
[07:47] <apos> xfce would be a better option over unity
[07:48] <Ray> haha its because your hardware, probabky
[07:48] <cub> im sure because i used a fedora live cd on my laptop, which has better hardware, and it uses a gnome desktop like unity,
[07:48] <cub> ran fine
[07:48] <Guest24437> anyone?
[07:48] <cub> very fast even for livecd.. so i am sure its my hardware, but im trying to figure out a way to make the best
[07:48] <apos> then replace unity with xfce and be happy
[07:48] <cub> i used lxde , and kde, i dont like them
[07:48] <cub> lol
[07:49] <apos> or use fedora. not my cup of teea but its not terrible
[07:49] <eoin_> is fedora 18 any good haven't tried it yet
[07:49] <apos> ubuntu studio = god
[07:49] <cub> couldnt install anything else on here except ubuntu as thats the only CD i have... dvd burner doesnt work
[07:49] <cub> lol
[07:49] <cub> or reader for that matter
[07:50] <Ray> due on my connection... its too slow, im supine on that DE
[07:50] <apos> no thumbdrives?
[07:50] <cub> well yes but i couldnt get it to boot from my usb  drive
[07:50] <apos> no old hard drives you dont care about?
[07:50] <cub> tried setting it in bios and it couldnt figure it out
[07:50] <cub> yeah thats what i installed linux on lol
[07:50] <cub> my windows hard drive is dying
[07:50] <cub> so im on a very small AND old hardddrive
[07:50] <cub> 15gb :\
[07:50] <Ray> you can use gnome3 from USC, could you?
[07:50] <apos> in BIOS enable legacy support. that outta fix the boot issued USB
[07:51] <apos> ......this keyboard is nutty
[07:51] <kostkon> cub, 15gb is extremely low nowadays
[07:51] <apos> enable USB legacy support*
[07:51] <Ray> yeah
[07:52] <dr_willis> ive ran my whole ubuntu install from 32gb flash drives befor. ;)
[07:52] <Ray> anyone here uses Mythbuntu or Edubuntu..?
[07:52] <cub> i know
[07:52] <cub> this is a pos machine
[07:52] <cub> :\
[07:52] <apos> i dont own any hard drives. all my computers run from 16gb & 8gb USB thumbdrives formatted in ext2
[07:52] <cub> 15gb hd, 1gb ram, intel graphics chip..
[07:52] <cub> dvd reader doesnt work
[07:53] <apos> edubuntu is only usefull in large deployments
[07:53] <cub> some usb ports dont work
[07:53] <Ray> wow
[07:53] <cub> just junk )
[07:53] <Ray> haha
[07:53] <cub> but the guy who sold it to me for 200 something said "everything is working perfectly!"
[07:53] <tim123> We got xubuntu
[07:53] <apos> yay!
[07:53] <Ray> installed tim..??
[07:53] <cub> i might try xfce
[07:53] <dr_willis> If you were near to me cub id give you about 6 old pcs ;)
[07:53] <Ray> haha, how rich
[07:54] <cub> haha dr_willis, the donation would be appreciated for just one working one lol
[07:54] <dr_willis> I picked up 3 from the trash a few months back
[07:54] <Ray> haha
[07:54] <dr_willis> 1 of those worked..  ;)
[07:54] <cub> actually the machine i paid for was much better than this one, but the motherboard gave out
[07:54] <cri_> come funziona la vpn su xubuntu?
[07:54] <Ray> and you keep it dr_willis..?
[07:54] <cub> i was running ubuntu on it, had compiz and everythuing as my nvidia card was supported. But the guy got cheap
[07:54] <tim123> Ray we are good
[07:55] <Ray> woohoo
[07:55] <dr_willis> They are all  going on the rummage sale in the spring.
[07:55] <cub> instead of fixing my machine he gave me another one of "equal value", without the video card", and less memory
[07:55] <cub> he gave me a larger hd  tho , which now is dying.. so
[07:55] <tim123> Thanks to everyone who helped me
[07:55] <dr_willis> 15gb was a larger hd?
[07:55] <dr_willis> thats scary
[07:55] <Ray> woow haha xD
[07:56] <cub> lol no actually i have a 80 gb hard drive on here
[07:56] <Ray> rofl
[07:56] <apos> any one have a 2.5" hard drive they could spare?
[07:56] <cub> yes it's still small, the original was 40 gb, he upgraded to 80 (he said for free), gave me less memory, and kept the nvidia graphics card...
[07:56] <cub> this is years back  tho
[07:57] <Coffeecoco> apos i got one
[07:57] <Coffeecoco> pickup only
[07:57] <apos> ill pay to shipo
[07:57] <dr_willis> You may want to Upgrade to a Raspberry Pi. ;)
[07:57] <Coffeecoco> from au
[07:58] <apos> what part?
[07:58] <apos> any were near perth?
[07:58] <Coffeecoco> na im sorry im a bastard i didnt think you was for real
[07:58] <Coffeecoco> im in melb btw
[07:58] <cub> aww
[07:58] <Ray> hey, anyone now using alias for the term now?
[07:59] <dr_willis> Ray:  what?
[07:59] <inverse> how do i install WarCraft III on Ubuntu
[07:59] <inverse> :-/
[07:59] <Ray> dr_willis : alias
[08:00] <Ray> dr_willis : alias for terminal
[08:00] <Ray> dr_willis : alias... the .bash file
[08:01] <Ray> im still missunderstand with the .profile
[08:03] <dr_willis> Ray:  thers numerous guides on making bash alias's for differnt things
[08:04] <dr_willis> Ray:  .profile is read at the first login i recall..  unless .bashrc exists
[08:04] <Ray> thats why ive said that im  not understand yet... its, to complicated but complex
[08:05] <dr_willis> i dont see whats complex about it... it reads .profile...    unless .bashrc exists.. then it uses .bashrc instead.
[08:05] <dr_willis> put some  'echo this is  .profile' at the top of the .profile file. and so on with other files to see whats getting loaded when
[08:05] <Ray> ok
[08:07] <Ray> should i add the Hashtag dr_willis..?
[08:07] <Ray> "#"
[08:07] <dr_willis> Ray:  Huh?
[08:07] <dr_willis>   You may want to read up on some bash scripting guides.
[08:07] <dr_willis> # this is a comment.. its not ran.
[08:08] <dr_willis> echo this is ran.. its a command..
[08:08] <Ray> oh... i see
[08:08] <dr_willis> # echo - this dosent get ran,....
[08:08] <dr_willis> this is very very much bash basics. ;)
[08:09] <Ray> how can i see the the command run?
[08:09] <dr_willis> see wht command run?
[08:09] <Ray> the 'echo this is  .profile' command.
[08:09] <dr_willis> that will get printed when you login
[08:09] <dr_willis> IF it runs .profile
[08:09] <dr_willis> logical eh?
[08:10] <Ray> what? partition?
[08:10] <Ray> i use primary for my ubuntu
[08:10] <dr_willis> Partition? huh? you seem to be jumping around..
[08:11] <Ray> i think "logical" thats it jumping to the partition
[08:11] <Ray> haha
[08:11] <jrtappers> I have a strange X related problem. I have two X sessions running, changing from ctrl+alt+7 to ctrl+alt+8 blanks the 7 screen, but the other way round leaves the 8 screen frozen
[08:11] <Ray> if i log out now, the browser closed :/
[08:12] <dr_willis> open a new terminal - it will reread some of the bash init scripts
[08:12] <Ray> nothing happen
[08:13] <dr_willis> the aparently it didenbt run .profile ;)
[08:13] <dr_willis> since .profile is only ran by 'login shells'
[08:13] <jrtappers> I have two monitors, one X session on each
[08:14] <Ray> ok i see, tks for the bash basic knowledge
[08:14] <dr_willis> ive never used seperate X sessions that way jrtappers .   so no  idea on it
[08:15] <jrtappers> dr_willis, I have integrated on open source drivers and a graphics card on propietary, so two X sessions is neccessary it seems
[08:15] <Ray> is there any channels talking about screenlet? i know this is funny but how it works -_-
[08:16] <Ray> wow, two graphics driver active?
[08:16] <dr_willis> you mean the screenlets desktop widgits?
[08:16] <jrtappers> Ray, yes
[08:16] <Ray> yeah
[08:16] <Ray> desktop widget
[08:17] <Ray> jrtappers : it might be crash or conflict
[08:17] <jrtappers> Ray, intel integrated on open source and a 7770 on closed source
[08:17] <Ray> no idea :/
[08:18] <jrtappers> Ray, its running now, its just odd that changing 7 to 8 blanks 7, but 8 to 7 leaves 8 frozen
[08:18] <jrtappers> Ray, so at the moment that screen is for things that do not change
[08:19] <Ray> im using single card and driver :/ jrtappers
[08:19] <Ray> this is insane
[08:19] <Ray> xD
[08:19] <jrtappers> Ray, so was I until yesterday, then I decided to try to get monitor 3 working
[08:20] <jrtappers> Ray, The cool thing is that I can have different window managers on the different screens
[08:21] <Ray> jrtappers : in single machine.?
[08:21] <hehateme> ive installed wine 1.5.5 through a tarball but my exe wont associate with wine and i dont have the option on a right click
[08:21] <jrtappers> Ray, yes
[08:22] <jrtappers> hehateme, have you tried installing wine program loader from the software center?
[08:22] <dr_willis> hehateme:  you mean you compiled from source?
[08:22] <Ray> its recommended you to install wine from aptitude or ubuntu soft. cent.
[08:22] <hehateme> yes i used ./tools/wine installer
[08:23] <antonio_> I
[08:23] <antonio_> I'm having a weird issue.  I was just using gimp...problem is one of the windows can
[08:24] <antonio_> can't be moved...the top of it is pushed over the top of the screen..like this http://s98.beta.photobucket.com/user/con_movies/media/Screenshotfrom2013-01-26222101_zps310cb887.png.html
[08:24] <antonio_> how can I adjust this?
[08:24] <hehateme> i had to install 1.5.5 cause its not in the software center only 1.5.2
[08:24] <dr_willis> alt-click on the window anywhere and drag it back perhaps?
[08:24] <dr_willis> hehateme:  winehq has a ppa with newer versions I belive
[08:25] <hehateme> i used the ppa and only 1.5.2 is avalable on it
[08:25] <jrtappers> Is there a way to keep a TTY running in the background? That might be the first step
[08:25] <liquidmetal> I'm looking for an application indicator that can display the output of a shellscript I made - does anyone know something like that?
[08:25] <jrtappers> hehateme, why do you need 1.5.5?
[08:25] <Ray> whatt..??
[08:25] <antonio_> never mind, got it
[08:25] <Ray> yeah haha
[08:25] <dr_willis> theres example indicator-applets code writen in python ive seen on the askubuntu.com indicator-applet list
[08:25] <hehateme> i need it for the .net framework 4.0 that it can support
[08:26] <dr_willis> you can always fallback to running wine via the command line...   wine /path/to/your.exe
[08:26] <dr_willis> i rarely double click on a .exe to run it. ;)
[08:27] <Ray> Terminal-man
[08:27] <dr_willis> given the huge # of times wine fails ;)  double clicking often shows nothing.
[08:28] <kouriinu> i keep getting an (-5006 : 0x8000ffff)error when i try to install a game why
[08:28] <dr_willis> I can only think of like 2 apps i normally use in wine also. so i dont use it much any more
[08:28] <hehateme> i get an error message about stack overflow
[08:28] <dr_willis> kouriinu:  what game and how are you installing it?
[08:28] <liquidmetal> anyone know an appindicator for ubuntu that can display whatever I provide?
[08:28] <kouriinu> fall out 3 and i am trying to install it with wine
[08:29] <Ray> check for the compatibility at winehq
[08:29] <dr_willis> liquidmetal:  you mean an indicator-applet?  theres ones written in python you can change to do whatever you want
[08:29] <apos> it'll be the apocalypse by the time you get that running
[08:29] <jrtappers> liquidmetal, you could try using notify if you are at shell
[08:30] <apos> this year should be the start of linux gaming but it hasnt happened yet
[08:30] <Ray> its provided by steam??
[08:30] <dr_willis> hmm.. just saw some posting about CS and  Halflife on linux steam now...
[08:30] <liquidmetal> jrtappers: what do you mean notify?
[08:30] <kepler> apos, http://steamforlinux.com/
[08:30] <kouriinu> i dont know
[08:30] <apos> yes thats one of them
[08:31] <apos> then theres the steambox and the ouya
[08:31] <dr_willis> !appdb |  kouriinu
[08:31] <Ray> yeah, i wonder that linux for games... it was greatful
[08:31] <kouriinu> i just want to install it
[08:31] <hehateme> i cant get an older wine to completely remove
[08:31] <jrtappers> liquidmetal, "notify-send Hello Hello"
[08:31] <jrtappers> run that
[08:31] <apos> and blizard is making a linux game this year. Id has always been down with linux
[08:31] <liquidmetal> jrtappers: ah... don't want to do that
[08:32] <dr_willis> liquidmetal:  some details on what you want to do would be helpfull.
[08:32] <spacecase> hello!  Is there any way to share my wifi connection to my ethernet jack? in ubuntu?
[08:32] <kouriinu> yeah that site hasnt helped me
[08:32] <dr_willis> !ics | spacecase
[08:32] <timfrost> jrtappers: screen may be what you want for ' Is there a way to keep a TTY running in the background? '
[08:32] <jrtappers> I would like L4D2 on steam for linux, that would be good, seeing as tit was theri first test game, and its not on the store
[08:32] <dr_willis> not even played L4D on windows. ;)  its too scary......
[08:32] <liquidmetal> dr_willis: I wrote a quick script that logs into my ISP can calculates the data I've used. It would be awesome if that number can show up on top and refresh every few hours or so.
[08:32] <jrtappers> timfrost, tried screen, this is to keep an X session running on a second monitor
[08:33] <wildc4rd> just with the resource use I can understand it, in windows, 2.5 gig of my 8 gig RAM is used just at desktop, with ubuntu its about 500 meg
[08:33] <dr_willis> liquidmetal:  use conky and have it run your script every 20 min.. it will be on the desktop
[08:33] <apos> spacecase,  click your wifi signal -> edit -> select wired _> tell it to share
[08:33] <Snakevincy> ciao
[08:33] <Snakevincy> !list
[08:34] <dr_willis> liquidmetal:  you could also make it do a notification every 60 min.. if needed
[08:34] <liquidmetal> looking into that too... found this: http://www.eurion.net/python-snippets/snippet/Create%20an%20Application%20Indicator.html
[08:35] <liquidmetal> dr_willis: a more general question - how do decide if you want to put something in the top bar or the desktop?
[08:35] <timfrost> jrtappers: can't help then.  Xsession != TTY
[08:35] <Ray> gotcha
[08:35] <dr_willis> liquidmetal:  indicator-applets go in the top panel.  theres numerous widgits things like conky you can have drawn on the desktop
[08:35] <Ray> just logging in from xchat :D
[08:35] <jrtappers> timfrost, Just trying to get some clues
[08:36] <user_> test
[08:36] <user_> now im Ray
[08:37] <wildc4rd> is there any way I can get GKrellM to always be on top of other windows?
[08:37] <Chiko> what is the best way to have a program run on startup on ubuntu 12.04.1 lts ?
[08:37] <dr_willis> it used to have a dock mode wher it would make other windows resize around it ages ago wildc4rd .. not used it in years
[08:37] <user_> SCreenlet
[08:37] <Snakevincy> ciao
[08:38] <Snakevincy> !list
[08:38] <Chiko> also would be good to see the output of each program i've been using screen so far
[08:38] <dr_willis> getting out some of the old skool apps tonight. ;)
[08:38] <Chiko> just want something that will run on startup as well as in the background
[08:38] <wildc4rd> lol
[08:38] <dr_willis> Chiko:  what kind of program...
[08:38] <user_> background..?
[08:38] <dr_willis> Chiko:  its all in the details ;)
[08:38] <user_> it must be an Antivirus... if u use windows xD
[08:38] <kamidi> user_ (Ray) = TrollBot?
[08:39] <Chiko> didn't think that would apply but sure it's a server application that handles multiple connections whilst writing to the console showing server like information :P
[08:39] <user_> what, Trollbot????
[08:39] <dr_willis> Chiko:   X app? terminal app? used by a user? or as root?
[08:39] <ZadYree> Hello!
[08:39] <Chiko> terminal app
[08:39] <liquidmetal> thanks dr_willis!
[08:40] <Chiko> user/root don't care probably root
[08:40] <dr_willis> Chiko:   you could start it from /etc/rc.local  and spawn it as root or a user. and have it log to a file.. then just tail the log file as needed.
[08:40] <dr_willis> Chiko:  or spawn a screen session in rc.local for it. you could then connect to. if its more interactive
[08:40] <ZadYree> I'd like to know if there is an easy way of kernel upgrading, under 12.10
[08:40] <Chiko> screen may be better yeah
[08:41] <Chiko> so /etc/rc.local to launch whatever i want on startup?
[08:41] <dr_willis> ZadYree:  best to stick to the kernels in the repos.. there are some experimental kernel ppa's i belive.
[08:41] <dr_willis> Chiko:  that will run them on bootup yes.
[08:41] <Chiko> is there anything else? i'm under the impression there is several ways of doing this under linux
[08:41] <Chiko> something jobs~
[08:41] <dr_willis> theres always several ways to do somthing.. it depends on the details
[08:41] <kepler> cron jobs?
[08:41] <Chiko> yeah those
[08:42] <ZadYree> dr_willis, I assume a recent one would be more appropriate regarding my hardware
[08:42] <dr_willis> cron runs a command on a regular basis.. but  i dont rcall ever seeing cron used to start a screen session
[08:42] <kepler> cron is a scheduler, so it wont open something at startup...well, cron starts at startup, but the task occurs when it is told to
[08:42] <dr_willis> ZadYree:  you could always trh the ppas i guess.. or see if 13.04 newer kenrnel works.
[08:42] <ZadYree> Okay!
[08:42] <tigrakos> hello i have install rtorrent with webui in my server and its work fine when i install zpanel and i try to go mysite/rutorrent i get this SSL received a record that exceeded the maximum permissible length. ! thanks!
[08:43] <Chiko> yeah could come in handy for another app though
[08:43] <ZadYree> I thought it was possible to do with the native software set ;)
[08:43] <hehateme> i cant get wine completely off my system
[08:43] <Chiko> i have a health checker currently which just sits and checks the other apps every so often thinking it may be worthwhile to have it run and close handled by the cron..or not
[08:43] <dr_willis> ZadYree:  you can compile your own kernel.. you asked for  an EASY way
[08:44] <ZadYree> hehe, I may be lead to do that if it's the only solution :P
[08:44] <dr_willis> compiling your own kernel is not 'easy'
[08:44] <dr_willis> and you could test a newer kenrle via a 13.04 live cd. if you wanted to save some time
[08:44] <ZadYree> indeed
[08:45] <ZadYree> I may do this first
[08:45] <kepler> feature in the new kernel you need?
[08:45] <FlyOnZeWall> Chiko, when you say "apps", so you mean programs running in the GUI?
[08:45] <ZadYree> support for my laptop features
[08:46] <ZadYree> Had to code several syscalls which need to be called as root, so... key layouts may be better hehe
[08:46] <mvk> i had a little problem with ubuntu lastnight, my notebook was running out of battery while being DISCONnected from a powersource
[08:47] <mvk> then got stuck in a bootloop; i think it wanned to hibernate..
[08:47] <mhs> How to install and use Micromax 353g data card in Ubuntu 12.10?
[08:47] <Chiko> FlyOnZeWall: apps referring to programs i write in c++/c# that only work with the console
[08:47] <mvk> so i was waken up by the sound of my 2k laptop.. stuck in bootloop
[08:47] <mvk> you can imagine better ways to be woken up with..
[08:48] <Chiko> I'm not using the GUI just using a hosted vps
[08:48] <Chiko> and running services from it
[08:48] <mvk> how do i prefent my notebook from going into hibernation, are there any ways to test hibernation / check some log?
[08:48] <mvk> prevent
[08:50] <FlyOnZeWall> Chiko, ok, then for the record I'd like to state that "apps" is one of, if not the, most ambiguous trend word in the software development area atm =P
[08:51] <Chiko> I was just going for a general as the "app" isn't important :P
[08:52] <cirwin> everytime I log in, an Ubuntu One popup appears
[08:52] <cirwin> how do I stop it?
[08:52] <Chiko> I just wanted feedback on running things on startup =P
[08:52] <cirwin> :)