[01:59] <phillw> DragonEyes: how are you today?
[01:59] <DragonEyes> phillw: I am functioning within normal parameters.
[01:59] <phillw> ;part #lubuntu
[03:27] <rxMokka> howdy fellows, does lubuntu ship with python on the livecd?
[03:56] <wizonesolutions> I installed Lubuntu on a box I was using as kind of a mix between a development workstation and server, but I want to go clean and not have a window manager on it...what's the easiest way to go about this?
[03:56] <wizonesolutions> Can I just apt-get install ubuntu-server? It's already 10.04. But metapackages usually don't uninstall stuff, so wondering what I have to remove
[03:56] <wizonesolutions> Or if there is a way to figure out everything window manager-related.
[03:57] <Unit193> !purelxde | Just remove all the LXDE stuff, and don't install the *-desktop package (won't remove it all, not made for that)
[03:58] <Unit193> Errr... Better try !purexfce of such as that doesn't remove LXDE :P
[03:59] <rxMokka> wizonesolutions: uninstalling xorg will pull off ALOT of stuff that depends on it
[04:00] <wizonesolutions> Unit193: Thanks! I only see instructions for 10.10, no earlier. http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelxdemaverick
[04:00] <wizonesolutions> I want to remove LXDE in this case :)
[04:01] <wizonesolutions> rxMokka: Thanks, will keep that in mind
[04:02] <rxMokka> wizonesolutions: do you want to remove lxde for space conservation reasons or what?
[04:02] <Unit193> rxMokka: Try it, just don't confirm ;)
[04:03] <rxMokka> wizonesolutions: if you have plenty room, leave it ;) you might want to VNC in one day and use a GUI file manager to quickly browse through some complex directory structure
[04:03] <Unit193> wizonesolutions: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfcemaverick that has the line to remove LXDE, just don't install xubuntu-desktop (It's not quite what you want, but it doesn't have one for LXDE on Lucid)
[04:03] <wizonesolutions> rxMokka Unit193 Nah, I'm running a Web server and should never really have been running a window manager. Plus the box only has a gig, so I would rather free up more memory and access it with SSH from my newly set up workstation, which is more appropriate.
[04:03] <wizonesolutions> rxMokka: With SSHFS I will be able to accomplish that :)
[04:05] <Unit193> If that's really what you want, I recommend you backup and fresh install (Or wait it out 'til the next LTS, it's not too far now)
[04:05] <rxMokka> wizonesolutions: that's true about sshfs. however if you boot to text-only mode you won't have any concerns of ram-memory with leaving lxde in place. it'll only eat up some of your hard drive space
[04:06] <wizonesolutions> Unit193 rxMokka True, it might be more hassle than it's worth. How can I change my default session to text-only? Do I do that in my GRUB configuration?
[04:06] <wizonesolutions> i.e. skip the graphical login prompt
[04:08] <rxMokka> wizonesolutions: I can't speak for recent ubuntu releases, but in most distros you can append the number "2" to the end of your grub kernel options line to boot into runlevel 2
[04:08] <wizonesolutions> rxMokka: Ah, start in runlevel 2 essentially.
[04:09] <rxMokka> wizonesolutions: many distros let you select runlevel in /etc/inittab, such as changing the 4 to 2 in a line like id:4:initdefault:
[04:14] <wizonesolutions> For the curious, http://andrew.org/index.php/archives/2010/05/07/ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx-boot-in-text-mode/ :)
[07:48] <faLUCE>  Hi. I installed lubuntu 11.10 on a Intel BOXDG41AN mini-itx mobo (with Pentium dual core E5700). Then I installed few programs and created my own live distro, lubuntu 11.10 based, with Remastersys. Then I booted on another pc (Intel DH67CF LGA-1155 mini itx mobo, with cpu i5 2400) with this distro but the graphic card does not work. I can make it work only at low resolution with nomodeset. The rest is ok  How can I solve? Where can be the problem?
[08:07] <bioterror> faLUCE, if graphics card doesnt work, you should consider replacing it
[08:08] <faLUCE> bioterror: it works. I tested it with another live distro and it works
[08:56] <bioterror> faLUCE, so is it lubuntu specific?
[08:56] <faLUCE> bioterror: no, it's generc
[09:03] <bioterror> faLUCE, did disabling kms help?
[09:03] <faLUCE> bioterror: I used nomodeset at boot
[09:03] <faLUCE> and it worked
[09:29] <head_victim> faLUCE: the problem is likely to stem from the process of creating your own livecd based upon different hardware. I'm not an expert on the topic but I'd suggest looking into that avenue.
[09:30] <head_victim> faLUCE: the real question I guess is, was the purpose of the livecd just to "back up" the other computer or is it intended for mass distribution?
[11:26] <Newk> hi.. on lubuntu website it states "desktop" on the ISO's does that mean there not the ones to use for laptops?
[11:26] <bioterror> Newk, it means it will be "desktop" as in graphical interface
[11:27] <Newk> doh, i feel a bit stupid now.. haha
[11:27] <Newk> thanks!
[13:07] <faLUCE> how can I backup xorg configuration? I don't have xorg.conf
[13:08] <head_victim> xorg configs are generally not required anymore
[13:35] <DanielSenat> Hi, I can't run my lubuntu program central
[13:37] <DanielSenat> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelxdenatty followed this guide to change from xubuntu to lubuntu
[13:37] <DanielSenat> I am on 10.04
[14:31] <faLUCE>  I don't see the screen. here's dmesg:   http://pastebin.com/NEX8aPnD  and xorg's log:  http://pastebin.com/a2EY0mf9 where can be the problem ?
[14:46] <head_victim> faLUCE: it's hard to say without knowing what it was you changed when you "created your own live distro" in remastersys. Is there any reason you don't just install Lubuntu on the other computer and install the programs again?
[14:47] <faLUCE> head_victim: I did not change anything. just installed two programs (vlc and kate)
[14:48] <head_victim> Copying a system from one set of hardware to another is complicating matters is all. To me the easiest solution is install Lubuntu and then install vlc and kate. Who knows what sort of driver issues you are having due to the hardware changes.
[14:50] <head_victim> If you can install normal Lubuntu on the machine without any problems but the livecd you created doesn't work then really your only option is to ask the people who make remastersys why it didn't work.
[14:50] <faLUCE> head_victim: can I install software on the live cd and then use the modified live cd ?
[14:51] <head_victim> You can install to USB and use persistent mode
[14:51] <faLUCE> yes, I used wrong expression "live cd"
[14:51] <faLUCE> what is persistent mode?
[14:52] <head_victim> It means you can make changes and it will save them
[14:52] <faLUCE> how can I activate it?
[14:53] <head_victim> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[14:55] <faLUCE> head_victim: if I only install user space programs, and configure the desktop, should the new live usb work on all the machines where a non-modified live usb does work?
[14:55] <faLUCE> with the persistent mode
[14:55] <head_victim> faLUCE: In my experience, yes.
[14:56] <head_victim> But the hardware I've tested it on is all very similar so I'm not 100% certain how it goes on completely different hardware. Let us know how it goes though
[14:56] <head_victim> DanielSenat: What do you mean by "Lubuntu program central"?
[14:56] <DanielSenat> software central..̈́
[14:56] <DanielSenat> sorry
[14:57] <head_victim> Ah I don't think 10.04 has the lubuntu software centre
[14:57] <DanielSenat> ok that's why
[14:57] <faLUCE> head_victim: sorry if I insist, but I need to know if it works for "live" or for an installation too?   I mean: if I boot with modified live usb, then I see modifications on the live mode. Then, is still available the "install" applications which installs the modifications too ?
[14:57] <head_victim> DanielSenat: I'm just double checking but I think that's it
[14:58] <DanielSenat> I did install ubuntu software central and my computer went crazy
[14:58] <DanielSenat> going from 130 cold start to over 200
[14:59] <DanielSenat> I deleted it and did autoremove, but still my computer is working a bit more
[15:01] <head_victim> If DanielSenat comes back let him know that according to https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa the Lubuntu software centre is only available for natty, oneiric and precise.
[15:02] <head_victim> If DanielSenat comes back let him know that according to https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa the Lubuntu software centre is only available for natty, oneiric and precise.
[15:02] <head_victim> :)
[15:02] <DanielSenat> head_victim, restarted my computer and now back om 127 MB at the beginning :)
[15:02] <head_victim> faLUCE: it should work, that link I gave you should have a definitive answer though
[15:02] <DanielSenat> thank's
[15:02] <DanielSenat> I have natty
[15:02] <DanielSenat> !=.04
[15:02] <DanielSenat> 10.04
[15:02] <DanielSenat> So it should be..
[15:03] <head_victim> You probably need to add the lubuntu ppa then
[15:03] <DanielSenat> Well i guess I have
[15:03] <DanielSenat> But I am not sure
[15:03] <holstein> DanielSenat: 10.04 is lucid
[15:03] <DanielSenat> true
[15:04] <head_victim> And on that note, I was meant to go to bed hours ago
[15:04] <head_victim> (It's 1am here)
[15:04] <DanielSenat> I was on lucid until yesterday ( xubuntu) but i changed over to lubuntu. following this guide http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelxdenatty
[15:04] <head_victim> If you're stuck and no one is around to help just send the mailing list and email and I'm sure osmeone will help out
[15:05] <head_victim> DanielSenat: purelxde is not lubuntu though
[15:05] <DanielSenat> cool
[15:05] <DanielSenat> but i have lubuntu desktop
[15:05] <head_victim> lubuntu uses lxde as well setting up other parts of the system
[15:05] <head_victim> holstein might be able to give you more help if needed
[15:05] <head_victim> Cheerio
[15:05] <DanielSenat> Good night!
[15:06] <holstein> head_victim: o/
[15:06] <head_victim> faLUCE: I hope it works out for you
[15:06] <DanielSenat> hehe
[15:06] <DanielSenat> I hope everything got right yesterday, it seems so
[15:06] <holstein> DanielSenat: 10.04 is lucid, and you have LXDE or whatever, but the base is still 10.04 lucid
[15:06] <faLUCE> head_victim: let's try
[15:06] <DanielSenat> Cool
[15:07] <DanielSenat> It seems so anyway
[15:07] <DanielSenat> I mean 11.04
[15:07] <DanielSenat> natty
[15:07] <DanielSenat> I am on natty
[15:08] <DanielSenat> until yesterday I had xubuntu
[15:08] <DanielSenat> But followed the guide  from http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelxdenatty
[15:09] <DanielSenat> I got some problem with gdm but i sorted it out
[15:09] <holstein> DanielSenat: what are you wanting?
[15:09] <DanielSenat> I can't use lubuntu software center
[15:09] <DanielSenat> Doesn't start
[15:09] <holstein> DanielSenat: whats the error?
[15:09] <holstein> what is the lubuntu software center?
[15:09] <faLUCE> head_victim: your link says "erase the disk and set the degree of persistence " and usb-creator-gtk has this option "when starting up from this disk, docs and setting will be 1) stored in reserved extra space 2) discarded in shutdown"  .... is 1) the option to set the degree of persistence?
[15:09] <holstein> you mean, the normal software center?
[15:10] <holstein> if you want to manager packages, i would try synaptic
[15:10] <holstein> manage*
[15:10] <DanielSenat> synaptic works fine
[15:11] <holstein> if you open a terminal, and try running the software center from there, gksudo whatever, then you should get some feedback as to what the issue is
[15:11] <DanielSenat> i will pastebinit
[15:12] <holstein> personally, i dont do persistent USB's.. i just install to the USB drive as a target, and put grub on there, making it where when i select the USB to boot from the bios or whatever, i end up with a full normal install with a regular user account
[15:13] <DanielSenat> http://pastebin.com/wiGN9M5J
[15:14] <holstein> i dont know what the 'lubuntu-software-center' is actually, but if synaptic is working, i would go for that
[15:14] <DanielSenat> And the terminal
[15:14] <DanielSenat> :)
[15:15] <holstein> at least go in somewhere and make sure you have no broken packages, or missing unconfigured whatevers
[15:15] <DanielSenat> So I guess i won't bother then
[15:15] <holstein> i would try reinstalling it
[15:15] <DanielSenat> Tried million times
[15:15] <holstein> i would try making another user account, and see if all is well there
[15:15] <DanielSenat> 5 times ;)
[15:15] <DanielSenat> My user account was made in xubuntu
[15:16] <holstein> DanielSenat: right, im proposing a new one
[15:16] <DanielSenat> users and groups
[15:16] <holstein> you can delete it afterwards
[15:16] <DanielSenat> the old one?
[15:16] <holstein> DanielSenat: ?
[15:17] <DanielSenat> Will the passwords work correctly and everything?
[15:17] <holstein> if the new one works, you'll have an idea about how to fix the old one
[15:17] <DanielSenat> I guess you have, I don't ;)
[15:17] <holstein> you'll konw its a user config file in /home somewhere... or at least thats a good place to start
[15:17] <holstein> DanielSenat: all you can do here is troubleshoot
[15:18] <DanielSenat> holstein, Thank's, i will try
[15:18] <holstein> i usually just add users like... sudo adduser whoever
[15:19] <holstein> DanielSenat: theres also...
[15:19] <holstein> holstein@atlas:~$ apt-cache search canberra-gtk-module
[15:19] <holstein> libcanberra-gtk-module - translates Gtk+ widgets signals to event sounds
[15:20] <DanielSenat> should i run those?
[15:20] <holstein> ^^ could be as easy as installing that, if im interpretting that error message correctly
[15:21] <DanielSenat> :)
[15:24] <DanielSenat> I have libcanberra-gtk-module installed
[15:24]  * holstein high-fives DanielSenat
[15:25] <DanielSenat> there is one for gtk3 also, not installed
[15:25] <DanielSenat> :)
[15:25] <holstein> i would like to say something like 'it wont hurt to install that to'... but...
[15:26] <DanielSenat> and there is a libcanberra-gtk-module-dbg
[15:26] <holstein> DanielSenat: its not going to hurt to install one, and test
[15:26] <holstein> then, decide from there if you want to install another
[15:26] <DanielSenat> I am trying
[15:26] <DanielSenat> :)
[15:29] <DanielSenat> http://pastebin.com/ieqw7xT8
[15:30] <DanielSenat> doesn't work but maybe it changed something
[15:33] <holstein> RepositoryError: Requiring namespace 'Gtk' version '2.0', but '3.0' is already loaded
[15:35] <DanielSenat> ok so I should uninstall libcanberra-gtk3-module
[15:35] <DanielSenat> I guess
[15:36] <holstein> DanielSenat: also, you should try the lubuntu live CD
[15:36] <DanielSenat> I don't have it
[15:36] <holstein> its free to download :)
[15:37] <DanielSenat> But I can get it ofcourse
[15:37] <DanielSenat> :)
[15:37] <DanielSenat> Do I have to reinstall?
[15:37] <holstein> DanielSenat: to try it LIVE?
[15:37] <holstein> you dont have to do anything
[15:37] <DanielSenat> ok
[15:41] <DanielSenat> http://pastebin.com/gFQ32JGG
[15:41] <holstein> you have a repository error
[15:41] <holstein> RepositoryError: Requiring namespace 'Gtk' version '2.0', but '3.0' is already loaded
[15:42] <holstein> seem to me that lubuntu-software-center is gtk2? and you have 3?
[15:42] <holstein> not sure, but if you run lubuntu live from CD, you should be able to see what is supposed to be happening
[15:43] <holstein> you can decide from there what you would like to do about it
[15:43] <holstein> personally, i wouldnt lose sleep over the software center
[15:43] <DanielSenat> OK thank's maybe I can install gtk 2.0 only
[15:43] <DanielSenat> But I get the point :)
[15:45] <holstein> DanielSenat: if you had come to me yesterday or whenever, i would have said.. install lubuntu-desktop
[15:45] <DanielSenat> Well i did, and then i deleted a buch of stuff following the guide i posted
[15:46] <DanielSenat> And, my computer uses less memory now
[15:46] <holstein> this http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelxdenatty is not a guide for changing xubuntu to lubuntu
[15:46] <DanielSenat> from 150 MB to 120-130 MB
[15:46] <DanielSenat> I did install lubuntu desktop first
[15:47] <DanielSenat> I see, but a guide non the less ;)
[15:47] <holstein> DanielSenat: and you plan on filling up those saved 20-30 MB's with the software center :)
[15:47] <DanielSenat> hehe
[15:48] <DanielSenat> Its a good point
[15:48] <holstein> stock lubuntu is quite lean
[15:48] <DanielSenat> stock?
[15:49] <holstein> like, right out of the box, installed lubuntu
[15:49] <holstein> if you are worried about 20mb's of ram, you might want to try puppy linux
[15:50] <holstein> there are leaner OS's than lubuntu, but few as well balanced
[15:50] <holstein> i find it lean, and elegant
[15:51] <DanielSenat> ok, i like it the way it is now
[15:51] <holstein> you can take lubuntu and add things to it though, and make it hog like the normal buntu's
[15:51] <DanielSenat> yes
[15:51] <holstein> not that the buntu's are hogs... im just saying...
[15:51] <DanielSenat> mm
[15:52] <DanielSenat> Do i have lubuntu now? fully?
[15:52] <DanielSenat> Can i see that somehow?
[15:52] <ikonia> you'll stuggle to find something as usable and lightweight as lubuntu
[15:52] <holstein> DanielSenat: you are the only one that knows... if you have the lubuntu-desktop metapackage installed, that *should* be all of it
[15:53] <DanielSenat> then i am hehe
[15:53] <DanielSenat> I have
[15:53] <DanielSenat> i mean..
[15:53] <holstein> if it were me, and i run sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop, and it returns something like "all that is installed" then thats lubuntu
[15:54] <DanielSenat> lubuntu-desktop är redan den senaste versionen.
[15:54] <DanielSenat> lubuntu-desktop is already the latest version
[15:54] <holstein> there *should* be nothing left to do
[15:55] <DanielSenat> Well internet works so :)
[15:55] <holstein> you might still have extra things installed from xubuntu or whatever, but i wouldnt expect that stuff to load
[15:55] <DanielSenat> And everything else but software...
[15:55] <holstein> i wouldnt expect cleaning pacakges to really help with memory
[15:55] <holstein> i would expect that to help with hard drive space
[15:56] <DanielSenat> How do i see all the things loaded?
[15:56] <DanielSenat> as -M or something?
[15:57] <holstein> top
[15:58] <DanielSenat> it doesn't show everything
[15:58] <holstein> ps aux
[15:58] <holstein> DanielSenat: top is showing everything
[15:59] <DanielSenat> ok
[15:59] <DanielSenat> but it changes continously so i can't pastebin it
[16:03] <DanielSenat> http://pastebin.com/r7U8pQi0
[16:06] <DanielSenat> holstein, does it look good?
[16:06] <faLUCE> head_victim: I followed your guid, but it's very obscure. It's not clear how to set the persistent space with usb-creator-gtk. In addition, I saved some files and I see them on the usb live, but if I install the systems, they are not included. why?
[16:07] <DanielSenat> now i am only using 90 MB total :)
[16:07] <DanielSenat> Nice
[16:13] <DanielSenat> from the command top i can see xorg is always a bit busy
[16:15] <faLUCE>  I'm using a live usb ubuntu, created with persistent additional space. Now, If I add files, modify configuration etc., all is persistent in the usb live mode, but If I try to install this "snapshot", all these modifications are not installed. why?
[16:40] <DanielSenat> holstein, http://pastebin.com/i9gBUZ9D
[16:40] <DanielSenat> looks ok?
[16:46] <kristian-aalborg> cheers!
[16:47] <kristian-aalborg> for a laptop w/ 2GHZ and 3 gigs of memory, which is the recommended iso?
[16:49] <kristian-aalborg> ... of the 10.4 variants
[16:50] <holstein> should be fine with any having those specs
[16:51] <holstein> and.. hello, by the way :)
[16:51] <kristian-aalborg> hey holstein
[16:51] <kristian-aalborg> did not know you were in here as well, or maybe I forgot
[16:52] <kristian-aalborg> I'm getting the regular one at http://lubuntu.lafibre.info/10.04/lubuntu-10.04-desktop-i386.iso
[16:52] <kristian-aalborg> phillw, btw - the link to your page at the Ubuntu wiki is dead
[16:52] <kristian-aalborg> also, hi :)
[21:32] <Folklore> what does this use as GUi
[21:32] <Folklore> cause it rocks
[21:32] <bioterror> Openbox + LXDE
[21:32] <wxl> what he said
[21:32]  * wxl is slow on the draw
[21:33] <wxl> lxde + compiz: http://www.mermaid-productions.com/miscjunk/linux/lxde_screenshot1_091709.png
[21:40] <Folklore> thx
[21:48] <Folklore> Peppermint OS is apparently a fork of lubuntu
[21:49] <Folklore> wonder why they'd do that
[21:50] <Folklore> oh cloud focused
[21:51] <phillw> Folklore: because that is the way F/OSS is. We are free to use anything GPL licencesd and make our own version :)
[21:52] <Folklore> I’ve liked Peppermint OS from the beginning. Lubuntu is a light, clean OS, but to me it is just a framework. For those who like a base OS and nothing else, then Lubuntu is pretty good, but for those who want something pre-packaged and ready to go, Peppermint OS is just that.
[21:52] <Folklore> ouch
[21:53] <Folklore> Built nicely on top of Lubuntu, it demonstrates that Lubuntu makes a solid foundation upon which to build your system.
[21:54] <bioterror> Folklore, seems like you've missed the point of peppermint
[21:54] <bioterror> it's a light weight os that provides cloud computing software
[21:54] <bioterror> like google docs and things like that
[21:54] <phillw> Folklore: the whole raison de etre for Lubuntu is that it is a minimalist install?
[21:55]  * phillw bites tongue
[21:55] <Folklore> bioterror yeah and I can't image it runs anything lubuntu could?
[21:55] <Folklore> couldn't rather
[22:59] <Newk> is there some program like alacarte that doesnt use gnome?
[23:00]  * wxl sighs
[23:01] <Unit193> My menu editor is called nano...
[23:01] <wxl> in adding myself to a group i removed myself from sudoers and probably any other group. what are the default groups?
[23:05] <Newk> wxl: wel i like more something GUI like then nano
[23:05] <wxl> don't tell me Newk .. you mean Unit193
[23:05] <wxl> nano's pretty gui compared to vi ;)
[23:06] <Newk> ...
[23:06] <Newk> wxl.. why do you use X at all?
[23:06] <Unit193> unit193 : unit193 adm dialout fax cdrom floppy tape audio dip video plugdev fuse lpadmin netdev admin sambashare x2gousers
[23:06] <wxl> thx Unit193
[23:07] <Unit193> groups unit193
[23:07] <Unit193> wxl: Sure
[23:07] <wxl> Newk: there's plenty of things it's really useful for
[23:07] <wxl> and there are some things that are a pita without a gui
[23:07] <wxl> i'd consider jack amongst them
[23:07] <wxl> and i use jacka lot
[23:09] <Newk> i want to use lubuntu for audio stuff too.. so jack is really usefull for me aswell.. but i dont like to look in all the systemfolders just to edit the menu
[23:09] <wxl> wtf recovery mounts read only?
[23:09] <wxl> ugh
[23:10] <wxl> um
[23:10] <wxl> er
[23:10] <wxl> mount says it's nr
[23:10] <wxl> rw
[23:10] <wxl> makes no sense
[23:11] <wxl> Newk: everything is in /usr/share/applications
[23:11] <wxl> if you open that in pcmanfm then you can, say, copy one of the .desktop files there, rename it, and edit it with leafpad
[23:11] <wxl> so there you go
[23:11] <wxl> same thing only gui
[23:12] <Newk> ah
[23:12] <Newk> i try to remember that for next time
[23:13] <Newk> thanx wxl
[23:15] <Unit193> wxl: Where is it mounted to? You may need sudo
[23:15] <Newk> mm.. just read that xfce have something like alacarte.. i wonder what it is
[23:15] <wxl> it's actually in there phillw
[23:15] <wxl> i just went over there to remind me ;)
[23:15] <Unit193> Newk: LXDE isn't Xfce
[23:16] <Newk> i know.. duh
[23:16] <Newk> i go ask in xfce channel
[23:16] <Unit193> It's a menu editing program though
[23:18] <wxl> /dev/sda1 on /
[23:18] <wxl> no luck with sudo
[23:18] <wxl> :'(
[23:19] <wxl> oh had to remount
[23:19] <wxl> i'm ok now
[23:20] <wxl> that sucked
[23:21] <wxl> ok all better now :)
[23:21]  * wxl goes back to preparing to test precise
[23:23] <wxl> i'm here 24/7
[23:23] <wxl> i'm just not HERE 24/7 ;)
[23:26] <Unit193> Silly wxl, but there is no !monologue ;)
[23:28] <phillw> Unit193: how did get  bodhi_zazen to leave?
[23:28] <Unit193> phillw: He's off work


[01:17] <jcastro> rick_h__: what keyboard are you rolling with these days?
[01:18] <jcastro> snap-l: I do have cliff em all
[02:12] <rick_h__> jcastro: http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=leopold,tenkeyless&pid=fc200rcab
[02:13] <jcastro> ah a leopold
[02:13] <rick_h__> I like the feel of the unicomp better I think, but I like the size of this one
[02:13] <jcastro> I've had a unicomp before
[02:13] <jcastro> looking for something new
[02:13] <rick_h__> and this one comes in a quiet
[02:13] <jcastro> These ducky's seem highly regarded
[02:13] <rick_h__> so I've got one in blue with clicky, and one in brown that's not
[02:13] <rick_h__> too bad you weren't local, you could use one since I've got a pair
[02:14] <rick_h__> one day I'll hit the lotto and get http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=topre_keyboards,rftenkeyless&pid=rf_se1800
[02:15] <jcastro> hah yeah
[02:15] <rick_h__> jcastro: nexus arriving tomorrow woot
[02:15] <jcastro> why no keypad?
[02:15] <jcastro> personal pref?
[02:15] <rick_h__> jcastro: yes, like to have the space, mouse closer
[02:15] <rick_h__> less movement and such, and I don't do number crunching
[02:17] <jcastro> http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:13063
[02:17] <jcastro> this is the one I'm eyeing
[02:17] <jcastro> they make different color combos
[02:17] <rick_h__> jcastro: I can bring this to budapest?
[02:18] <jcastro> the black on black looks badass though
[02:18] <jcastro> they also make a backlit version
[02:18] <jcastro> http://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/product-ducky-dk-9008-shine
[02:18] <jcastro> but not sure about that
[02:18] <jcastro> rick_h__: bring what to budapest?
[02:19] <rick_h__> my leopold
[02:19] <rick_h__> http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/
[02:19] <jcastro> oh man
[02:19] <jcastro> the one on the page looks awesome
[02:20] <rick_h__> yea, try out the keyboard builder
[02:20] <rick_h__> I got some replacement keycaps for mine there
[02:20] <rick_h__> $1 a cap isn't bad for a little bit of color
[02:20] <jcastro> oh nice
[02:20] <jcastro> I can make an ubuntu keyboard
[02:21] <jcastro> with the kb shortcuts I care about
[02:21] <rick_h__> yea, no idea if their keyboards are any good, but it's kind of sweet ui and website
[02:21] <jcastro> cherry mx switches
[02:21] <rick_h__> yep
[02:21] <jcastro> is really what I am looking for
[02:22] <jcastro> the rest is details
[02:22] <rick_h__> you'd hope
[02:22] <rick_h__> this leopols is the only one I've used with cherry switches so not sure if they can vary much with the rest of the casing
[02:23] <jcastro> seems like the perf preference is on the kind of mx it is
[02:23] <jcastro> gamers like black, normal people like me probably brown, etc.
[02:23] <jcastro> of course, I don't have a local place where I would be able to try they
[02:24] <rick_h__> right, I've got blue and brown
[02:24] <rick_h__> blue has some noise to it, brown pretty quiet/normal keyboard sounding
[02:24] <rick_h__> I got the brown for the office since it was a cube farm
[02:25] <rick_h__> sometime I've got to try the reds
[02:27] <jcastro> you like the browns?
[02:27] <rick_h__> jcastro: anyway, that's what I'm rolling with. Let me know if you want me to try to bring one to try out if you've not bought something yet
[02:28] <jcastro> man this site is awesome
[02:28] <jcastro> layouts
[02:28] <rick_h__> jcastro: not as much, I like the click sound, but I'm still a fan of the unicomp with the buckle spring
[02:28] <jcastro> color combos
[02:28] <rick_h__> yea, it's pretty sweet, customize a little bit
[02:28] <rick_h__> great thing with the cherry's is that the keycaps are compatible pretty much
[02:28] <rick_h__> I've got blue meta keys, red esc/c keys, and orange wads
[02:29]  * jcastro nods
[02:34] <rick_h__> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/G-iykTZBSOiE3HV462KzF9MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[03:21] <jcastro> what headphones are those?
[03:21] <jcastro> rick_h__: I sent those guys at wasd an email about getting the layout that they have a pic on their front page
[03:22] <jcastro> rick_h__: I've got the design assets and the ubuntu font, I think I'll make an ubuntu keyboard.
[07:17] <tyman> Anyone around that can discuss kvm/libvirt?
[12:25] <Wolfger> morning
[12:35] <rick_h__> morning
[13:02] <brousch> snap-l: half off "arduino in action" with code dotd1216cc http://www.manning.com/mevans/
[13:03] <Wolfger> cool
[13:04] <Wolfger> I really need to get back to playing around with my arduino
[13:05] <brousch> you're an arduinee too?
[13:05] <Wolfger> arduinee wannabee
[13:05] <brousch> i just made that up. do you like it?
[13:06] <Wolfger> I got one, played with it a bit, then it just kinda fell off my radar. I was going to automate some stuff for Halloween, but I suffered from lack of any concrete ideas
[13:06] <Wolfger> I do. It's good
[13:06] <Wolfger> brousch++
[13:08] <Wolfger> I need to stop buying tech books and use the ones I have more.
[13:09] <Wolfger> I have a bunch (mostly off the MicroCenter bargain rack) that I've never even cracked.
[13:27] <Wolfger> In my defense, a lot of those I bought were for Java, and I'm no longer a Java dev and don't really like the language. :-p
[13:27] <brousch> you were a java dev?
[13:29] <Wolfger> Briefly. Then Chrysler offshored our dev and support group.
[13:30] <brousch> ouch
[13:54] <snap-l> brousch: Yeah, Java has a lot of pain associated with it for Wolfger and I
[13:54] <snap-l> I was promised that I would be tasked with doing some porting work in Java at some point, then I became a Technical Resource ne Project Manager.
[13:55] <snap-l> It kinda fucks with you
[14:00] <snap-l> That and the whole development to production process for FieldConnect was pretty brutal
[14:00] <snap-l> when it comes right down to it, Chrysler was a pretty shit place for developers.
[14:01] <Wolfger> Hey, I saw on Monster that Morpace is hiring... :-)
[14:01] <snap-l> Wolfger: What position?
[14:01] <Wolfger> web dev
[14:02] <snap-l> link?
[14:02] <brousch> ut oh
[14:02] <Wolfger> It's an ugly link. One sec...
[14:03] <Wolfger> http://goo.gl/Iax6Z
[14:04] <brousch> Wolfger: i don't think that's the right link
[14:04] <brousch> takes me to concordia college on monster with your name and address filled in
[14:05] <brousch> wait, now it works
[14:05] <brousch> that is messed up
[14:05] <brousch> ew! ASP and IIS
[14:07] <Wolfger> Yeah, the link was e-mailed to me, so it probably did have some personalization in it
[14:07] <Wolfger> which is lame. That should be based off of a secure login, not a URL.
[14:08] <brousch> it went away the second time
[14:14] <rick_h__> woot, phone is local...now to get it to my door!
[14:14]  * snap-l tries to think up one more delay, but says rick_h__ has been through enough already.
[14:14] <rick_h__> yea not today...been a rough morning
[14:14] <rick_h__> broken crap and I'm getting ranty
[14:15] <snap-l> ruh roh
[14:15] <snap-l> http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SPH-M540ZRASPR <- This phone?
[14:15] <rick_h__> note to devs...if you have a branch called "spec-compliant" and that's not master...you've @#$#@@# up
[14:15] <rick_h__> hah, you just saw that post as well eh?
[14:15] <snap-l> Yeah
[14:36] <Wolfger> rofl
[14:36] <rick_h__> jjesse: love that comic, funny if if you do hate iOS :)
[14:37] <jjesse> i thought it was epic today
[14:37] <jjesse> scott adams has been on a roll lately
[14:43] <brousch> lately?
[14:43] <jjesse> all week i've laughed pretty hard
[14:43] <jjesse> i don't every day
[16:25] <jcastro> rick_h__: nexus status update from you pls.
[16:25] <rick_h__> jcastro: on truck...promised by 3pm
[16:25] <jcastro> when it comes in ping me, I Want to try this hangout video thing
[16:25] <rick_h__> sounds good
[16:27] <brousch> bastards
[17:47] <snap-l> niece is over
[17:47] <snap-l> had her playing bongos
[18:00] <ColonelPanic001> o.o
[18:08] <snap-l> and she was pretty good
[18:08] <snap-l> Well, this meeting is going well, since the other person hasn't hopped onto the conference call
[18:15] <snap-l> And his loss
[18:15] <snap-l> 15 minutes, no conference call = no deal
[18:18] <ColonelPanic001> heh
[18:41] <snap-l> http://lichkingmetal.bandcamp.com/track/black-metal-sucks
[18:42] <brousch> vocalist sounds like a little weenie
[19:13] <brousch> jcastro: did the nexus come with any crap-apps you couldn't uninstall?
[19:15] <jcastro> I imported a gsm nexus so no
[19:15] <jcastro> rick has the vzw one
[19:16] <rick_h__> yea, it's got a vzw backup app
[19:16] <rick_h__> but really clean
[19:16] <rick_h__> and 4g ftw, downloaded 12hrs of audible audio like lightning
[19:16] <brousch> just the 1 app?
[19:17] <snap-l> rick_h__: Did you let it charge yet?
[19:17] <rick_h__> snap-l: charging now :)
[19:17] <rick_h__> had it plugged in since it came out of the box except for hte time it spent at the verizon store
[19:17] <snap-l> awesome
[19:17] <rick_h__> they didn't show the damn phone on my account so it wouldn't activate
[19:17] <rick_h__> but all good now, apps installed, and video tested with jcastro
[19:18] <snap-l> That's rocking.
[19:19] <rick_h__> yea, pretty sweet
[19:19] <rick_h__> jcastro: how was my video over the 4g?
[19:19] <jcastro> phone
[19:19] <rick_h__> lol, ok
[19:20] <snap-l> Sheesh
[19:42] <brousch> [Deal] Galaxy Nexus Extended Battery is Half Off at VerizonWireless.com, Just $25 - goo.gl/jagSh
[19:44] <snap-l> I just compared software development with musicians
[19:45] <snap-l> trying to explain how some developers can know a little bit about one instrument (guitar) and be able to plink about on another instrument (bass) but not be anywhere near Les claypool or Geddy Lee
[19:55] <brousch> makes sense
[22:06] <Wonnenangshonat> Hello
[22:20] <snap-l> Hello, Wonnenangshonat
[22:20] <Wonnenangshonat> Howdy snap-l
[22:20] <Wonnenangshonat> hows it going
[22:20] <snap-l> It goes
[22:20] <snap-l> Yourself?
[22:22] <Wonnenangshonat> Good enough
[22:22] <Wonnenangshonat> Where you from?
[22:22] <snap-l> Michigan
[22:32] <Blazeix> a lot of us in here are in south eastern michigan
[22:32] <Blazeix> couple west-siders. I think mydogsname1srudy is in the UP
[22:33] <Wonnenangshonat> northern shoress here
[22:33] <Wonnenangshonat> lake michigan
[22:34] <Wonnenangshonat> we got a large operating ranch here with almost 4 miles of the lake
[22:34] <Wonnenangshonat> just south of muskegon lake
[23:36] <_stink_> Wonnenangshonat: sounds pretty cool.


[01:32] <pygi> morning Fujitsu
[08:15] (imbrandon/#ubuntu-motu) ugh, whom broke flashplugin-nonfree
[08:15] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: pygi
[08:15] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[08:16] <Hobbsee> hiya imbrandon!
[08:16] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: then again, whoever sponsored it didnt check it either
[08:18] <Fujitsu> bddebian sponsored it, and Nafallo uploaded a fix which should be published in about 20 minutes.
[08:21] <crimsun> nope.
[08:21] <crimsun> 7 is still broken.
[08:21] <Fujitsu> Really?
[08:21] <Fujitsu> Hmm...
[08:21] <crimsun> 7 will fail to update from both 5 and 6.
[08:22] <Fujitsu> That'll need a new prerm, right?
[08:23] <Hobbsee> then again, those using gutsy should be able to figure out how to fix 5, 6, to be able to upgrade to 7
[08:23] <Hobbsee> but it'd be better to fix it, yes
[08:23] <Fujitsu> Why? It'll teach them.
[08:29] <imbrandon> heh
[08:30] <imbrandon> but still annoying
[08:34] <pygi> crimsun, ergh, I tested, yes, but before that did a cleanup of dpkg status file :-/
[08:37] <pygi> (the same problem hasn't been with gnash too)
[08:37] <pygi> ergh!!
[08:42] <pygi> s/hasn't/is with
[09:01] <roshan_s> Does anyone have an idea of when REVU will be back up?
[09:03] <Hobbsee> roshan_s: /topic
[09:03] <Fujitsu> No ETA at this time.
[09:04] <roshan_s> Hobbsee: Fujitsu: Sorry, but the topic hasn't been changed for a few days, so I was hoping there might be some updated info. Thanks anyway.
[09:04] <Hobbsee> roshan_s: probably because there is none :)  People keep asking
[09:04] <crimsun> pygi: fix uploaded for 131865 and its duplicates.
[09:05] <crimsun> guys, please test upgrades next time, too.
[09:05] <Fujitsu> elmo was meant to be giving an update yesterday afternoon UTC, but that didn't eventuate.
[09:05] <roshan_s> Hobbsee: Well, I know me my behaviour is a bit irrational, but I was just hoping... :-| I just made my first package a few days ago and I'm a bit excited about it
[11:49] <norsetto> slomo: big mistake .... now I have to ask you if you received my email about mentoring status :-)
[11:51] <Fujitsu> geser: Hah! Beat you by 21 seconds.
[12:01] <norsetto> slomo: a y or n is enough ......
[12:18] <simu> i have a question about REVU and the following doc page
[12:18] <simu> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/ubuntu-upload.html
[12:18] <simu> the REVU link is dead
[12:18] <Fujitsu> simu: See /topic
[12:18] <simu> oh
[12:19] <simu> thanks
[12:21] <simu> and why is it down?
[12:22] <simu> the next few days, wow
[12:23] <Fujitsu> It's down because the Canonical server it was on has apparently been compromised.
[12:23] <Fujitsu> It's being moved to new hardware.
[12:23] <Fujitsu> And hopefully being checked for any security issues.
[12:24] <simu> revu.tauware.de is a canionical server?
[12:24] <Fujitsu> On a Canonical server, yes.
[12:28] <simu> actually I wanted to do my very first packaging for ubuntu and now the uload server hhas been compromised.
[12:28] <simu> :-(
[12:49] <guardian> morning
[12:50] <Fujitsu> Hi guardian.
[01:00] <simu> packages.ubuntu.com down too?
[01:01] <Fujitsu> simu: I don't think that's the same issue.
[01:02] <Fujitsu> Um, that's odd. I don't think that host is meant to be in Germany.
[01:02] <minghua> Fujitsu: I think it's okay.  I remember hearing that p.u.c is on non-canonical machine.
[01:03] <Fujitsu> minghua: Ah, OK.
[01:03] <minghua> simu: Just use launchpad.  Not as convenient as p.u.c, but all packages are there.
[01:09] <simu> I'm looking for an easy package that I can maintain
[01:10] <simu> I have a list in launchbad with all packages tagged needs-packaging and that are unasigned
[01:52] <AndyP> (debconf 0.9.10)
[02:06] <slomo> norsetto: yes, sorry... i wasn't there and busy in the last days, you'll get an answer tomorrow
[03:10] <norsetto> slomo: thx
[03:24] <simu> where do I find a list of possible sections (devil, etc. control file)
[03:25] <guardian> debian policy ?
[03:26] <norsetto> yes: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-subsections
[03:26] <norsetto> I think we use the same, don't we?
[03:27] <simu> thanks
[03:28] <stgraber> yep, maybe we have some ubuntu specific ones, but we at least have the debian ones (otherwise syncing would be a problem :))
[04:21] <khermans_> is there a common way of fixing lintian's 'executable-not-elf-or-script' ?
[04:22] <khermans_> this warning is generic, but i wonder if there is something existing to fix this, other than me hacking up some find foo
[04:27] <khermans_> debian policy manual section 10.4 does not suggest an automated solution
[04:27] <khermans_> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-files.html#s-scripts
[04:32] <minghua> khermans_: Why do you assume there is an automated solution?  After all, there are dozens of interpreted languages.
[04:33] <khermans_> minghua, well i figured someone maybe utilized the tools find, file, grep, and chmod
[04:33] <khermans_> :-)
[04:34] <khermans_> my automated hack would be, find all +x, run file | grep -i script/elf, then chmod the ones that are
[04:34] <minghua> I suppose it's pretty hard to differentiate POSIX sh scripts and bash-only scripts with file and grep.
[04:34] <khermans_> lose the x for non-scripts/elf
[04:34] <khermans_> minghua, i dont think it matters, they are both executable
[04:35] <khermans_> what is your point?
[04:35] <minghua> khermans_: Hmm, I am probably thinking about the wrong problem.
[04:35] <khermans_> yes i think so
[04:35] <minghua> khermans_: So where are these files installed?  Do you want to execute them or not?
[04:36] <khermans_> minghua, are you familiar with lintina?
[04:36] <khermans_> lintian
[04:36] <khermans_> minghua, i am packaging metasploit
[04:37] <minghua> khermans_: Not really, but it sounds your problem should be fixed by dh_fixperms.
[04:37] <khermans_> minghua, oh let me check
[04:39] <broonie> If it's a script it should have a #! line at the top specifying the interpreter.
[04:39] <khermans_> of course
[04:39] <khermans_> broonie, problem was some file had +x bit set, but were .h or .c files
[04:39] <khermans_> actually, many varying files
[04:39] <khermans_> and some files were scripts, but didn't have +x set
[04:40] <minghua> khermans_: See, it's not only I that is misunderstanding.
[04:40] <khermans_> minghua, i dont think dh_fixperms does it though
[04:40] <khermans_> it looked good at first
[04:41] <norsetto> what about this: find debian/ -type f -name "*.h" -or -name "*.c" | xargs chmod -x
[04:41] <khermans_> norsetto, yes of course
[04:41] <khermans_> i can hack out something, but there are an infinite number of possible file types
[04:42] <khermans_> not mertely c/h
[04:42] <khermans_> :-(
[04:42] <khermans_> i just though some MOTU guys would have a tool for this
[04:43] <khermans_> i came up with this
[04:43] <khermans_> find metasploit3/ -type f -perm /u=x,g=x,o=x | while read line; do file ${line} | grep -i script; done
[04:44] <khermans_> ahh and see, found my first bug in 3 seconds
[04:44] <khermans_> if path contains 'script' you lose
[04:45] <khermans_> so now must add cut/awk
[04:45] <khermans_> ...etc..etc..etc...more bug....bugs.bugs...
[04:46] <norsetto> have you asked upstream? Tell them to put their act together......
[04:46] <khermans_> norsetto, lol alrighty then :-)
[04:46] <khermans_> i did ask in #debian
[04:46] <khermans_> maybe i head to debian devel
[04:56] <simu> hi i try to pachage a tool, pbuilder build fails at checking for GTK... configure: error: gtk+-2.0 is a dependency
[04:56] <simu> my devian/control: Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), autotools-dev, libgtk2.0-0, libglade2-0, libgdk-pixbuf2
[04:57] <simu> Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}
[04:57] <simu> INSTALL file of the tool I want to package:
[04:57] <pygi> you need to build depend on libgtk2.0-dev
[04:57] <pygi> build depends means you need -dev packages
[04:57] <pygi> and not regular ones
[04:57] <simu> Dependencies: gtk+-2.0, libglade-2.0, gdk-2.0, gdk-pixbuf-2.0
[04:57] <pygi> same goes for libglade and pixbuf
[04:59] <simu> thanks, another question: the dependencies listed in INSTALL are always build-depends
[05:00] <bluefoxicy> Somebody needs to step up to the plate and take Ubuntu or some debianite into hard marketed enterprise Linux :(
[05:00] <simu> how do I find out the run-depends
[05:00] <bluefoxicy> Has anyone actually tried to run CentOS or SuSE
[05:01] <bluefoxicy> "Oh I want to install <insert Web application> .... oh, packages for <insert library> don't exist.  I'll just rpmbuild --rebuild them from fedora.. Oh I need 30 dependencies for this one.. oh and 12 for this dependency, and 15 for that dependency..."
[05:02] <bluefoxicy> I freaking chucked it and threw in Ubuntu.  You can NOT get MySQL Administrator working on CentOS5 or RHEL5, I know that much.
[05:02] <simu> it is called the rpm-hell
[05:03] <bluefoxicy> (nor CATS with any reasonable functionality; you can't even upload resums without rebuilding at least 12 packages from Fedora, and that only gets you Word docs ... you CAN'T get xpdf compiled, so no PDF resums)
[05:07] <bddebian> Heya gang
[05:11] <crimsun> morn', barry.
[05:11] <bddebian> Hi crimsun
[05:14] <bddebian> Uh oh, you touched flashplugin too?
[05:14] <crimsun> I had to.
[05:16] <bddebian> :-(  Sorry
[05:17] <crimsun> not your fault :)
[05:18] <bddebian> Well it partially is.  I didn't really do any install testing :-(
[05:19] <crimsun> installs were fixed quickly; upgrades were broken
[05:23] <bddebian> Oh crimsun.  What do you think of adding dependencies for things like gnome-icon-theme to packages like muine?  Damn thing uses gnome icons but KDE users are using it and don't have gnome-icons installed obviously.
[05:24] <crimsun> sec.
[05:27] <crimsun> looks fairly innocuous to me.  I might think about a Recommends instead of a Depends since muine would appear to still function without g-i-t.
[05:28] <bddebian> Aye
[05:35] <bddebian> crimsun: thx
[05:35] <crimsun> np
[05:36] <bddebian> What's up with packages.u.c? Are they working on the DC today?
[05:37] <crimsun> don't know offhand
[05:37] <crimsun> I normally use `rmadison -u ubuntu sourcepackage' (needs feisty IIRC)
[05:42] <bddebian> Dumb question but should Recommends: be versioned?
[05:43] <crimsun> if you need them to be
[05:44] <bddebian> Yeah, thought so, but I don't think it should matter in this case
[05:59] <asantoni> ok, question
[05:59] <geser> Hi bddebian
[06:00] <asantoni> How do I get a .diff.gz when I use pbuilder to build the source package, etc?
[06:00] <asantoni> oh nm
[06:00] <asantoni> maybe
[06:00] <asantoni> no no
[06:00] <asantoni> question still valid :)
[06:00] <bddebian> Heya geser
[06:00] <bddebian> asantoni: The diff.gz is generated from dpkg-buildpackage or debuild
[06:01] <asantoni> hmmm
[06:01] <asantoni> yeah, I was using "pdebuild"
[06:01] <asantoni> What's the difference between pdebuild and dpkg-buildpackage?
[06:02] <bddebian> Sorry never used pdebuild so I couldn't tell ya.  Though I assume it uses debuild with a pbuilder?
[06:03] <asantoni> beats me, package building confuses the hell out of me :)
[06:14] <asantoni> here you go
[06:15] <asantoni> compare:
[06:15] <asantoni> mixxx_1.5.2svn~20070807dfsg-0ubuntu1.tar.gz
[06:15] <asantoni> mixxx-1.5.2svn~20070807dfsg.orig.tar.gz
[06:15] <asantoni> that damn underscore screws me over every time
[06:16] <crimsun> asantoni: pdebuild does what bddebian mentioned.
[06:17] <asantoni> dpkg-source: building mixxx using existing mixxx_1.5.2svn~20070807dfsg.orig.tar.gz
[06:17] <asantoni> dpkg-source: building mixxx in mixxx_1.5.2svn~20070807dfsg-0ubuntu1.diff.gz
[06:17] <asantoni> dpkg-source: building mixxx in mixxx_1.5.2svn~20070807dfsg-0ubuntu1.dsc
[06:17] <asantoni>  dpkg-genchanges -S
[06:17] <asantoni> crimsun: thanks
[06:17] <asantoni> just needed to have the .orig.tar.gz named properly for pdebuild to find it :)
[06:18] <bddebian> Gotta run thanks again crimsun
[06:26] <aos101> I've noticed the gpredict package is a bit out of date (it's 0.6, and 0.8 was released in June).  How would I go about getting it updated?  Does it depend on debian updating it upstream?
[06:27] <RainCT> is packages.ubuntu.com working for you?
[06:27] <asantoni> aos101: I'm probably the least authoritative person in this room, but I feel the need to pay forward some help I just got
[06:27] <asantoni> aos101: No, if you build an updated package, you can get it into Universe
[06:28] <aos101> packages.ubuntu.com is dead for me too.
[06:29] <asantoni> aos101: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto   "Rebuilding a package" might be a good starting point
[06:30] <aos101> OK Thanks.
[06:57] <crimsun> double you tee eff @ #131967.
[07:00] <nixternal> crimsun: lol
[07:01] <nixternal> or better yet... ell ohh ell
[07:05] <AndyP> looks like that person has filed some more wtf bugs
[07:06] <AndyP> "Space key not working"  (...!)
[07:09] <J-Unit> k, retarded question of the day, what eactly is "lpia"?
[07:09] <AndyP> low power intel architecture
[07:10] <J-Unit> ah, ok
[07:11] <J-Unit> http://www.intel.com/technology/systems/lpia/
[07:11] <J-Unit> thanks
[07:46] <tsmithe> man-di, aha
[07:46] <tsmithe> did you get my e-mail?
[08:40] <eggwarmer> Has anybody seen this error before: files list file for package `os-prober' is missing final newline
[08:41] <eggwarmer> I Just did a Xubuntu install and now I can't install or upgrade anything else.
[10:33] <ajmitch> morning
[10:34] <norsetto> hi
[10:35] <geser> Hi ajmitch
[10:41] <sparr> Can one package be made to cause the uninstallation of another via dpkg?  Or only via apt?
[10:45] <ajmitch> dpkg won't automatically remove another package based on Conflicts, but it will stop it being installed
[10:46] <jmg> 7rmm
[10:47] <bddebian> re
[10:48] <ajmitch> hello bddebian
[10:48] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[10:48] <bddebian> ScottK: You aboot?
[10:53] <ajmitch> odd, a package was apparantly synced but the new version doesn't show up on LP
[10:57] <sparr> ajmitch: what about apt?
[10:58] <ajmitch> that's what apt is for
[10:59] <ajmitch> you use a combination of Conflicts & Replaces to say that one package fully replaces another
[10:59] <sparr> ahh
[10:59] <sparr> i shall try that
[11:01] <bddebian> Hmm, if ghex build-deps on libgail-dev and the dependencies are shlibs:Depends, it will pick up libgail, not necessarily libgail-dev right?
[11:01] <ajmitch> bddebian: yes, whatever is specified in the shlibs file
[11:02] <bddebian> Hrm
[11:03] <ajmitch> root@augustine:/home/ajmitch# less /var/lib/dpkg/info/libgail18.shlibs
[11:03] <ajmitch> root@augustine:/home/ajmitch# less /var/lib/dpkg/info/libgail18.shliblibgailutil 18 libgail18 (>= 1.10.1), libgail-common (>= 1.10.1)
[11:03] <bddebian> Damn, so it looks like ghex should have a specific dep on libgail-dev
[11:03] <bddebian> ajmitch: Aye, I was just looking at that :-)
[11:03] <ajmitch> why?
[11:04] <ajmitch> is ghex broken & trying to load the .so directly?
[11:04] <bddebian> Possibly
[11:04] <bddebian> Bug #131447
[11:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131447 in ghex "libgtkhex0-dev should have dependency on libgail-dev" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131447
[11:04] <ajmitch> oh that's fine
[11:05] <ajmitch> -dev packages should depend on other -dev packages, certainly
[11:06] <bddebian> SOrry, source package is ghex
[11:06] <ajmitch> ok
[11:09] <bmm> With REVU down, is there a good alternative in any debian mentoring system? Anywhere I should post my packages in the meantime?
[11:11] <jmg> bmm: i beleive the alternative would be your own webhost
[11:12] <bmm> hmm... I'm just learning that someone in debian is already posting the same software for review in mentors, which would make the ubuntu version obsolete :-S I hate it when other people already did my job...
[11:12] <jmg> bmm: unless his package doesnt work in ubuntu
[11:13] <bmm> jmg: how can a debian package not work in ubuntu? The only thing they are going to do different is leave out the desktop file and the "ubuntu1" version ;-)
[11:13] <bddebian> heh
[11:15] <jmg> bmm: there are many possibilities, the main one being depending on a version of something that is in sid that hasnt been synced to ubuntu yet
[11:15] <jmg> python packages tend to require some massaging to work with py2.5
[11:16] <bddebian> Hrm, to package a new xmlrpc-c or not to, that is the question..
[11:17] <johanbr__> I just noticed some of the mono libs in gutsy are fairly old. Are there any plans on updating them for gutsy, or is that too late?
[11:18] <jmg> johanbr__: are the updated libraries in sid?
[11:18] <Nafallo> wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[11:19] <bddebian> Nafallo: Oh hush up and get back to fixing my uploads ;-P
[11:19] <johanbr__> jmg: No, I don't think so.
[11:19] <Nafallo> bddebian: *asg*
[11:19] <jmg> johanbr__: then you will need to build the libraries to even have a chance
[11:19] <bddebian> asg?
[11:19] <Nafallo> bddebian: lol in swedish :-)
[11:19] <bddebian> Ahh :-)
[11:20] <johanbr__> For instance, libtelepathy-cil is based on an svn snapshot from February and hasn't been updated since Feisty.
[11:20] <Nafallo> bddebian: feel free to steal it ;-)
[11:20] <johanbr__> jmg: Oh. I don't think I have either the skills or the time for that. :)
[11:21] <johanbr__> Nafallo: be quiet :)
[11:21] <bddebian> hehe
[11:21] <Nafallo> everyone tells me that today... :-P
[11:22] <mruiz> hi all
[11:22] <jmg> johanbr__: that package is not in sid at all
[11:23] <bmm> Would somebody be willing to review my package if I post in on my own server? The package is called "boswars" and it's a real-time strategy game.
[11:24] <jmg> johanbr__: you can try and update from svn and rebuild
[11:25] <johanbr__> jmg: Sure, that I could handle. But I don't think I have the test (or the skills to fix) any packages that might break because of the update.
[11:26] <johanbr__> "...the time to test..."
[11:26] <jmg> johanbr__: what are the rdepends?
[11:27] <johanbr__> jmg: It appears, none. :)
[11:27] <johanbr__> At least for libtelepathy-cil.
[11:28] <jmg> johanbr__: :)
[11:28] <jmg> johanbr__: but it looks as if the upgdate to libtelepathy-cil will require updating the telepathy-sharp source package
[11:29] <jmg> johanbr__: which appears to provide nothing but libtelepathy-cil
[11:29] <jmg> so question - if it as no rdepends, why is it in ubuntu? :)
[11:29] <Nafallo> haha
[11:29] <Nafallo> jmg: telepathyteam probably :-)
[11:30] <jmg> johanbr__: go and talk to the telepathy guys about it. #ubuntu-desktop
[11:30] <johanbr__> jmg: Alright, will do. Thanks.
[11:33] <bmm> How can I link to an debian ITP? I've already added a link to a debian bug but now I can't add another one. I'd like to add http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=437382 to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/128416 but can't find a way.
[11:33] <ubotu> Debian bug 437382 in wnpp "ITP: boswars -- futuristic real-time strategy game" [Wishlist,Open]
[11:35] <jmg> bmm: looks like a nice game :)
[11:37] <bmm> jmg: it is! But it's already being packaged in debian, so my efforts where all in vein. Pretty upsetting, since I've been working together with the developers to get the ubuntu package done as soon as they released.
[11:37] <bmm> Now the work has been done over by somebody at debian, and I must say that they did a better job at it ;-)
[11:37] <bmm> (I'm just a beginner at packaging)
[11:38] <jmg> bmm: well just make sure it builds on ubuntu - then take the credit :-)
[11:38] <jmg> bmm: i dont see it in sid yet
[11:38] <bmm> jmg: I'll see what I can do ;-)
[11:38] <ajmitch> bmm: another reason to do work in debian first :)
[11:39] <bmm> ajmitch: I've tried to work in debian in the past, but never got anybody to review anything I did so I just gave up. After looking at ubuntu for a while, I tried my luck there :-)
[11:40] <jmg> ajmitch: maybe bmm doesnt want to die doing the jump-6-helicopters-thru-a-ring-of-fire-on-a-motorbike DD induction :)
[11:40] <ajmitch> there's no requirement to be a DD to get packages into debian
[11:40] <jmg> you need sponsorship at least
[11:41] <ajmitch> same with ubuntu
[11:41] <jmg> ubuntu is friendlier
[11:41] <ajmitch> until I show up
[11:41] <jmg> then we ignore you and go back to being friendly :-)


[03:19] <tdaitx> could someone help set the importance of LP: #1537972 to whishlist please?
[03:33] <hggdh> tdaitx: done
[03:34] <tdaitx> hggdh, thanks! =)
[14:15] <alan_g> Hi, I'm looking for help targeting an SRU bug 1685186 to xenial. Am I in the right place?


[11:22] <mup> Bug #2017986 opened: [latest/edge] MAAS fails to configure node network  and issues IPs from incorrect subnet when relaying <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2017986>
[11:25] <mup> Bug #2017986 changed: [latest/edge] MAAS fails to configure node network  and issues IPs from incorrect subnet when relaying <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2017986>
[11:28] <mup> Bug #2017986 opened: [latest/edge] MAAS fails to configure node network  and issues IPs from incorrect subnet when relaying <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2017986>
[13:25] <mup> Bug #2017986 changed: [latest/edge - DHCP Snippets] MAAS fails to configure node network and failing to issue leases <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2017986>
[13:31] <mup> Bug #2017986 opened: [latest/edge - DHCP Snippets] MAAS fails to configure node network and failing to issue leases <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2017986>
[13:34] <mup> Bug #2017986 changed: [latest/edge - DHCP Snippets] MAAS fails to configure node network and failing to issue leases <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2017986>