[00:07] <toothe> also, is there a bug in docker from ubuntu/
[00:07] <toothe> I consistently get a crash
[01:24] <chev> Hello, I set up a network consisting of three pc's, 1 with CentOS, 1 with latest Ubuntu Desktop, and one with latest Ubuntu Server. I have the ubuntu server running wireless internet. I'm connecting the three computers via a unmanaged switch. I would like to set proxy settings through the ubuntu desktop, using the ubuntu server to get internet, but am having issues. I tried editing the apt.conf tile to test my settings,
[01:24] <chev> but I keep getting 111 connection refused. Can someone assist me, if available? I am a novice, Linux Essentials cert
[01:28] <qwertuttyty> update version f2fs-tols enabling compression https://wiki.debian.org/F2FS
[01:29] <qwertuttyty> f2fs-tools 1.11.0
[01:30] <oerheks> !info f2fs-tools
[01:30] <oerheks> yes?
[01:33] <oerheks> "To create a compressed FS, f2fs-tools at version >= 1.14.0-1 is required"
[01:33] <sarnold> chev: double-check with ss -p that your proxy software is listening on the interfaces you'd expect
[01:33] <oerheks> only in the next Hirsute https://launchpad.net/f2fs-tools/+packages
[01:33] <chev> sarnold: well thats the other thing i was wondering, am I supposed to download something like squid on my server to accept these requests?
[01:33] <qwertuttyty> i know :)
[01:34] <qwertuttyty> 1.14
[01:34] <oerheks> qwertuttyty, oh wait, you know that backporting is just a matter of time?
[01:34] <sarnold> chev: well, you said proxy, so I went with that :) what *are* you trying to do?
[01:34] <qwertuttyty> https://packages.debian.org/unstable/f2fs-tools-udeb
[01:35] <chev> sarnold: i want my ubuntu desktop to be able to access the internet through my ubuntu server.
[01:35] <chev> :)
[01:35] <toothe> got it working!!
[01:35] <toothe> whoa
[01:35] <sarnold> chev: aha, so something more like NAT then?
[01:36] <sarnold> toothe: sweet, what was it?
[01:36] <toothe> with docker-compose, can I create an arbitrary container to use psql on? so I can check how my db is doing?
[01:36] <chev> im looking up what NAT is, one sec. ^_^;
[01:36] <toothe> sarnold: so...I installed Ubuntu, the docker settings changed the DNS
[01:37] <chev> sarnold: yes, that sounds like what I am trying to do.
[01:38] <qwertuttyty> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/groovy/man8/mkfs.f2fs.8.html 21.04 = Provided by: f2fs-tools_1.11.0-1.2_amd64 and how long to wait?
[01:39] <qwertuttyty> 1.11 = 2018 year
[01:41] <oerheks> qwertuttyty, we know
[01:41] <oerheks> now wait for the backport nothing we can do here
[01:42] <oerheks> or build it yourself :-P
[01:43] <sarnold> backportpackage(1) may be useful
[01:43] <chev> ty looking at it
[01:44] <sarnold> chev: sorry, backportpackage might be more useful for qwertuttyty, if he or she needs a newer version of a package on an older release
[01:45] <sarnold> chev: 99% of this thing is beyond me https://lartc.org/ -- and probably not all useful for doing NAT, but potentially it has answers to questions :)
[01:45] <qwertuttyty> and? We know i know but give me xompression for h2fs.  we have a debean package 1.14.0-2 but cannot install, dependency does not allow.
[01:45] <qwertuttyty> f2fs
[01:46] <oerheks> "and?"
[01:47] <qwertuttyty> humor:no problem we have btrfs with compression
[01:48] <oerheks> btw, f2fs is  available  from  git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/jaegeuk/f2fs-tools.git.
[01:54] <Qen-Joana> Hello! Is there a way to make additional "Library" folders as seen in Nautilus and in save-dialogs? I am using Gnome on 20.04.
[01:58] <qwertuttyty> how long to wait for when f2fs-tols 1.14.0-2 will be brought in through the update? The day after tomorrow?
[01:59] <qwertuttyty> i use kernel 5.11
[02:02] <qwertuttyty> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=F2FS-Compression-Level-Next
[02:04] <qwertuttyty> next i instaled ubuntu kernel 5.12 rc
[02:05] <sarnold> qwertuttyty: if you want to help migrate fs2fs-tools in hirsute, here's your starting point https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#f2fs-tools
[02:07] <tharkun> !logs
[02:09] <qwertuttyty> No, I can't help it.
[02:12] <tharkun> tomreyn: That is supposed to be an LTS release of ubuntu. I really am up to date regarding system updates and upgrades. I have no clue why the package manager did not update the kernel. Or if it is an unsafe version I am running.
[02:13] <foxide> tharkun: What's the issue?
[02:15] <tharkun> Core dump and aptitude failing to update some programes before freezing and doing the dump.
[02:16] <tharkun> The server is running for the moment but I am uncertain of the stability of it. Will it manage a full reboot? ...
[02:16] <tharkun> Nothing fancy.
[02:16] <tharkun> foxide: Thanks for asking.
[02:16] <sarnold> tharkun: pastebin the error?
[02:16] <sarnold> check dmesg?
[02:20] <tharkun> sarnold: I pasted it on the channel 3 lines of messages like 3 or 4 days ago. I will admit that looking into dmesg was not done or recorded.
[02:20] <sarnold> Mon 15 21:13:25 < tharkun> Good $DAY I just got this from an update FATAL -> Failed to fork.
[02:20] <sarnold> that?
[02:21] <tharkun> Yes
[02:21] <sarnold> that's quite likely out of memory
[02:21] <sarnold> how's free -m look?
[02:22] <tharkun> IIRC it has like 700MB free I currently cannot log into that particular server.
[02:23] <oerheks> apt install -f # usually fixes things
[02:24] <tharkun> oerheks: I know what apt install does but I know nothing about the -f switch.
[02:25] <sarnold> -f usually fixes things :) heh
[02:25] <sarnold> why can't you log in?
[02:26] <sarnold> do you have an open session with it somewhere else you can use instead?
[02:27] <tharkun> sarnold: An iptables thingy I rolled out. I can only log in through the office connection using a specific gateway. Got tired of overpopulated auth and access logs.
[02:28] <sarnold> tharkun: aha
[02:28] <tharkun> Works like a charm :)
[02:28] <sarnold> tharkun: once you can log in, check how much memory is free. check slabtop output to see if there's a kernel memory leak on the system -- someone ran into that last week in here
[02:29] <sarnold> iirc the slab with ridiculous use was kmalloc-128
[02:31] <tharkun> sarnold: assuming that slaptop detects a kernel memory leak, how do I recognize it. I've never used such tool
[02:33] <sarnold> tharkun: there's no easy way to convey that kind of intuition :( here's the /proc/slabinfo on my laptop at the moment https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2t5WhNZnBt/
[02:34] <sarnold> tharkun: near the end, the kmalloc- entries shows peaks at 1k, 32, and very few 128 ...
[02:35] <sarnold> tharkun: the distribution may vary from machine to machine, based on what the machine does, what kernel datastructures are used, etc, so it's just a guideline..
[02:35] <sarnold> tharkun: but the dude last week had a kmalloc-128 line that stood out by a LOT, iirc it was two digits longer than the surrounding sizes on his system
[02:35] <tharkun> I see, I will have to take several snapshots and do a reboot in between them. Thanks very much for your time and knowledge.
[02:36] <sarnold> the difference between 1k and 512 on my system is making me slightly suspicious, even, but .. it seems to be fine...
[02:36] <sarnold> .. anyway, when I did the math on how large those objects where, and how many his system had in that slab, it was obvious that it was using up nearly all his physical memory
[02:37] <sarnold> tharkun: if the system is barely functional at the console, *maybe* an echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches  will give you something to work with. but, uh, it might also take away memory from things the system is running, and it might not be able to get those things back. if you've got a kernel memory leak, then a reboot asap is advised anyway
[02:37] <tharkun> nice to know, I will rtfm for slabtop and do some time lapse shots to look for moving stuff.
[02:38] <sarnold> nice nice
[02:38] <tharkun> The reboot can be done remoteley :) One thing I allways thought of when poking at iptables :)
[02:39] <sarnold> nice nice
[02:40] <sarnold> that's not always easy to do remotely, even thought sometimes it's the most impportant thing to be able to do remotely :)
[02:41] <tharkun> I just need to leave a message for the server to read and bingo it just reboots and mails me when it comes back to life. :)
[02:42] <tharkun> Anyway I have to go since this laptop's battery is reaching 5% and the power cord is at the office. I will report tomorrow. Thanks for the time and effort.
[02:42] <sarnold> gnight
[02:43] <sarnold> (leaving the power cord, I like that, limit how much work you'll do at home :)
[02:45] <rdr> Ubuntu with GNOME, feels good
[02:46] <oerheks> rdr, install gnome-tweak-tool for more fun and extentions
[02:47] <rdr> oh, i'm well aware
[02:47] <rdr> i've tried to remain mostly stock for this install though
[02:48]  * kirk781 controls himself from hating on gnome
[02:48] <rdr> it's definitely controversial
[02:59] <qwertuttyty> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2Vs8xJRcVG/
[03:55] <Einder> I'm trying to get help with ubuntu server, would this be the right channel?
[03:59] <rfm> Einder, #ubuntu-server might be more on point
[04:00] <Bashing-om> Einder: Welcome to ask here, But ^ ,
[04:13] <Einder> I didn't see it intially, ty
[04:44] <Qen-Joana> Is there a way to make additional "Library" folders as seen in Nautilus and in save-dialogs? I am using Gnome on 20.04.
[04:47] <rdr> I think recent and starred are the only ones
[04:47] <rdr> you can add bookmarks to a folder, but i dont think that's what you're referring to
[04:47] <Qen-Joana> Ahh.
[04:47] <Qen-Joana> I will keep looking for an answer!
[04:51] <Qen-Joana> I have already played with the user-dirs.dirs file, and changed my library folders to another location, but adding new library folders did not change anything for Nautilus.
[04:54] <oerheks> Qen-Joana, that should be actived on next login, not in current session
[04:55] <Qen-Joana> I have already relogged.
[04:58] <Qen-Joana> The user-dirs.dirs file lists: XDG_DESKTOP_DIR="$HOME/Desktop"    So it is related to XDG?
[06:20] <unixbsd> hi guys
[06:21] <unixbsd> please make sure that gcc works fine. i.e. : gcc -lX11 -lm file.c  -o file   should work on ubuntu. I know, it takes some time, but gcc is core of your system. no C no ubuntu.
[06:21] <kevr> what?
[06:43] <tycel> How's everyone's morning/evening going?
[06:44] <kirk781> existing somehow
[06:47] <AppXprt> somehow? you expect to die soon or something?
[06:49] <kirk781> s/expect/hope
[06:50] <AppXprt> whats wrong
[06:51] <AppXprt> it doesn't get any better keeping it bottled up..
[07:24] <john_rambo> Hi, I am using Ubuntu Budgie 20.04 .... I have created a custom launcher on my Desktop ...I want to change its ICON ... How do I do that ?
[07:25] <EriC^> john_rambo: edit it and add Icon=/path/to/icon
[07:26] <john_rambo> EriC^, SHould I use a capital "I" ?
[07:26] <EriC^> yes
[07:26] <john_rambo> Trying now ...
[07:31] <john_rambo> EriC^, Done but its showing a "white" icon instead of the Tor launcher icon ... Do I need to logout/login ?
[07:33] <EriC^> john_rambo: is it +x?
[07:35] <EriC^> chmod +x /file ?
[07:36] <john_rambo> EriC^, I tried a different method ...I saved a icon from here >>> https://styleguide.torproject.org/brand-assets/ ....Then I provided the full path in the launcher but its still a WHITE icon
[07:37] <john_rambo> EriC^, this is the line in the launcher  >>>> Icon=/home/lubuntu/Downloads/tor-browser_en-US/large_icon.png
[07:38] <EriC^> john_rambo: it looks right
[07:38] <EriC^> try to run chmod +x /path/to/file.desktop
[07:39] <john_rambo> EriC^, Already done that. Tor browser is fully functional
[07:39] <EriC^> john_rambo: i think tor comes with a .desktop file by default though, why make your own?
[07:39] <john_rambo> EriC^, Because I am using it inside firejail
[07:40] <EriC^> what's the location of the .desktop file?
[07:41] <john_rambo> EriC^, the original .desktop file is in >>/home/lubuntu/Downloads/tor-browser_en-US/
[07:42] <john_rambo> EriC^, the custom one is in >>>/home/lubuntu/Desktop/TOR.desktop
[07:43] <john_rambo> EriC^, The custom .desktop is linked to a shell script which launches Tor inside firejail
[07:46] <EriC^> i see
[07:46] <EriC^> john_rambo: it might show up if you log out and back in
[07:46] <john_rambo> EriC^, Trying now ..
[08:18] <gebbione> hi folks, my applications bar (not sure if it is the way to call it) on ubuntu 18 has disappeared
[08:18] <gebbione> any clues of how to get it back
[09:46] <akkonrad> do you know any feed reader app with toolbar icon other than feedreader that works in 20.10?
[10:44] <rory> gebbione, if you hit Alt-F2 do you still get a Run dialog? If so, run this in it: killall -SIGQUIT gnome-shell
[10:44] <rory> gebbione, if that does nothing, then do the same with command: gnome-shell
[10:49] <gebbione> thank you rory
[10:49] <gebbione> i managed to find a simpler way that i guess is similar or runs the same in the background
[10:50] <gebbione> after alt-F2 i type r and press enter
[10:50] <rory> saves calories
[10:50] <gebbione> :)
[10:50] <gebbione> i have too many of those , happy to burn them when needed
[11:07] <Joalland> Hi there. I've broken my dpkg package system. Any one to help me ?
[11:11] <EriC^^> Joalland: try sudo apt-get -f install
[11:12] <Joalland> Eric^^ Thanks for the help. This command doesn't help. "Correcting dependencies... failed. The following packages have unmet dependencies:"
[11:13] <Joalland> This kind of lines, involving the libc6.
[11:13] <Joalland> In fact i'm using chroot to rescue my system.
[11:14] <EriC^^> Joalland: can you pastebin the results? also try sudo dpkg --configure -a
[11:14] <Joalland> http://paste.debian.net/1185935/
[11:15] <EriC^^> Joalland: can you type 'cat /etc/issue /etc/apt/sources.list' and pastebin the results?
[11:18] <Joalland> dpkg --configure -a didn't help http://paste.debian.net/1185936/
[11:19] <EriC^^> ok and the output of the above 2 commands?
[11:20] <Joalland> http://paste.debian.net/1185937/
[11:21] <Joalland> I've chroot the system from a linux mint live usb 19.3
[11:21] <EriC^^> Joalland: please join the linuxmint support channel, it seems you have the sources mixed up or some added ppa's i'd guess
[11:21] <EriC^^> !mint | Joalland
[11:22] <Joalland> okay thanks...
[11:22] <EriC^^> np
[11:24] <jeremy31> Joalland: Open the hexchat program in the program menu, that should take you to the Mint channels, there is a chat listing in the Welcome screen that will work
[11:26] <Joalland> yes thanks but the irc protocol is somehow forbiden by my university . I use a web chat irc right now.
[11:26] <DarkTrick> My mouse cannot click or interact with the system anymore. Is there a way to restart the "mouse daemon" (without logging out/rebooting)
[11:28] <DarkTrick> hm... ok... "solved"... apparently the whole xorg got broken :/
[11:33] <gordonjcp> Joalland: can you use ssh?
[11:34] <Joalland> yes, why ?
[11:36] <gordonjcp> Joalland: ssh out to an IRC client on another machine
[11:36] <gordonjcp> Joalland: tmux + irssi + an el-cheapo vps somewhere
[11:36] <Joalland> thanks for the tip
[12:14] <BlueEagle> Joalland: I have my irssi-client running in a screen on my home server, so I can SSH in here and continue when I need to.
[12:19] <Joalland> Yes, but it don't need it anymore
[12:42] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:35] <metbsd> why ubuntu remove options to do text only install
[13:45] <ogra> the server installer is definitely "text only" and i doubt that will change
[14:05] <isnessness> you can debootstrap from live iso
[14:43] <Left_Turn> is mysql pre installed on ubuntu? I'm pretty sure postgresql is, am I correct?
[14:46] <kk4ewt> Left_Turn,  maybe mariadb
[14:47] <Left_Turn> kk4ewt, what has mariadb got to do with my question?
[14:49] <kk4ewt> mariadb is the opensource mysql
[14:49] <jivan> Left_Turn: What do you mean, "pre-installed"?
[14:49] <Left_Turn> kk4ewt, really? thanks, I didn't know that
[14:49] <jivan> The packages are available in the default repos, but they are not installed by default
[14:50] <jivan> MySQL is available in the mysql-server package, and MariaDB in mariadb-server
[14:50] <Left_Turn> jivan, I use opensuse and postgresql is already installed... so I just wondered about ubuntu
[14:50] <Left_Turn> ah i see
[14:50] <Left_Turn> thanks
[14:50] <jivan> Left_Turn: Ah right — no, not the case with Ubuntu
[14:50] <kk4ewt> Left_Turn, apt list --installed |grep mysql will answer your question
[14:50] <jivan> It is advised that you run `sudo mysql_secure_installation` after installing
[14:51] <Left_Turn> oh ok... will do. thanks
[14:56] <jpleau> Hi. On 20.04, imagemagick's "identify -list format" doesn't list webp. However imagemagick's source package build-depends on libwebp-dev. Is there something I need to install to have webp support with imagemagick?
[15:12] <veryloud> Hello! Does Ubuntu One support MFA?
[15:20] <jivan> veryloud: I believe it's still in beta: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSO/2FactorAuthentication
[15:22] <SmellyCat> Is there a way in Ubuntu 20.04 to install (and  use on demand) a separate older OpenSSL library? I have to check the health of some older HP machines through the iLO via https, but the interfaces only support old ciphers which are not available anymore in current OpenSSL versions.
[15:22] <veryloud> jivan: Thank you, I believe 2FA is a must when deploying packages to the Snap store
[15:23] <veryloud> Would probably cause havok if someone cracks an account without 2FA and uploads a malicious version of a Snap
[15:23] <jivan> Doesn't Snap require PGP signatures?
[15:23] <jivan> If not, then I agree, but i'm pretty sure it does
[15:23] <jivan> Maybe popey can chime in on this
[15:24] <popey> sup?
[15:25] <popey> Canonical employees *must* use 2fa, non-Canonical can optionally use it for signing into U1, and thus the Snap Store.
[15:25] <popey> Snaps do not require PGP signatures. They're signed by the store.
[15:25] <jivan> Ahh, good to know
[15:26] <veryloud> hm kk
[15:27] <veryloud> I believe either PGP or MFA should be required for all packages before disaster strikes and a popular package gets compromised
[15:28] <veryloud> Or maybe I'm exagerating and the risk is low lol
[15:28] <popey> Feel free to argue that with the snap store developers :D
[15:29] <jivan> Haha — Isn't lack of MFA what caused issues with NPM several times in the past?
[15:29] <veryloud> jivan: Precisely
[15:31] <popey> https://forum.snapcraft.io/c/store/16 is where I would raise it, if it's a concern for you.
[15:32] <veryloud> https://launchpad.net/~sso-2f-testers So I requested to join this group, if anyone here manages it and can approve me that'd be great :)
[15:32] <veryloud> popey: thanks, I'll come up with some constructive argument
[15:32] <popey> Nice one. I am speaking to the admin of that group elsewhere. I'll mention to them.
[15:33] <veryloud> Thanks, appreciate it popey! I'm listed as "Maxim Therrien"
[15:56] <fishfry> Does multipass on linux create VM or lxd containers?
[16:04] <relipse> how do I get rid of this elasticsearch stuff in my apt-get updates https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/mwMjWwue/
[16:25] <leftyfb> relipse: remove the elasticsearch package that you installed?
[16:37] <longshanks> rory: Hiya. Remember our convo from yesterday re: the duplex audio port. Well, decided to just buy a USB soundcard. :)
[16:37] <rory> lol I was going to say, try each of the codecs on that page you linked me
[16:37] <rory> but yeah nice one
[16:38] <rory> probably sounds nicer for music too, not sure.
[16:38] <longshanks> rory: Oh I did :)
[16:39] <longshanks> rory: and yes, I'll get to hear what 10 years of progress sounds like. Coulnd't decide to get a splitter (so TRSS to seperate connectors) *OR* USB soundcard. But went for the latter. Was only a couple £ difference.
[16:44] <longshanks> rory: yeah i tried them each in turn followed by a reboot. in fairness, it's the only thing that doesn't work. So can't complain.
[16:56] <signofzeta> Hello, everyone.  I need to allow a snap to write to a folder, but AppArmor is blocking it.  Ubuntu's tutorial has me create an entire profile, but I see one is already present.  Can I just make something in /etc/apparmor.d/local/$AppName and have that add to whatever the snap included?
[17:09] <aebraham> iPhone hotspots: Has anyone noticed that Linux doesn't seem to work with USB hotspots, only WiFi?
[17:09] <Rexodus> Good morning you all! :)
[17:10] <Rexodus> What is the correct way to stop a Linux box? Halt or shutdown?
[17:10] <signofzeta> Do you need to power it off, Rexodus?  I use the shutdown command.
[17:10] <Rexodus> Yes
[17:10] <Rexodus> THanks! :)
[17:11] <signofzeta> I'm not too familiar with the halt command, but I think it shuts down the OS but leaves the hardware powered on.  I could be wrong.  I'm working from home so I can't play with it.
[17:16] <random_programme> Hi, how can I uninstall an RT Linux patch from Ubuntu?
[17:37] <veryloud> > iPhone hotspots: Has anyone noticed that Linux doesn't seem to work with USB hotspots, only WiFi?
[17:37] <veryloud> aebraham: Ubuntu 20.10 seems to work fine with a USB hotspot from my LG G8X
[17:37] <veryloud> I believe iPhones don't use NDIS for USB ethernet, but don't quote me on that
[17:41] <signofzeta> For what it's worth, I paired my iPhone with my PC, and it shows up as a Bluetooth hotspot.  I haven't tried USB, though.
[17:48] <shush> HI, I noticed that installing couchdb with apt results in an interactive interface for configuring the installation. Does this interactive mode apply to apt, and if I use apt-get instead, would circumvent the interactive interface?
[17:49] <leftyfb> shush: https://serverfault.com/a/407358
[17:54] <shush> leftyfb: So this interactive interface is not exclusive to `apt` but also something that `apt-get` would present.
[17:54] <leftyfb> shush: correct
[17:54] <shush> Just out of curiosity, are there reasons to use apt-get over apt?
[17:55] <shush> Generally
[18:08] <frad> I'm trying to write code to shut vlc down after 60 minutes and immediately after poweroff ubuntu, but I don't want both actions to happen simultaneously. I came with this, but I don't believe they will work: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hXcJTBxrDd/
[18:10] <leftyfb> frad: neither of those will work
[18:11] <leftyfb> frad: "powerfoff" is not a valid systemctl command :)
[18:11] <aebraham> veryloud: What's NDIS?
[18:12] <leftyfb> aebraham: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Driver_Interface_Specification
[18:12] <veryloud> aebraham: Network Driver Interface Specification, it's a standard
[18:12] <veryloud> thanks leftyfb lol
[18:12] <frad> leftyfb, im sorry, but you are mistaken, its even in the documentation
[18:13] <veryloud> > For what it's worth, I paired my iPhone with my PC, and it shows up as a Bluetooth hotspot.  I haven't tried USB, though.
[18:13] <veryloud> Bluetooth internet is sooo slow it's not even worth considering
[18:13] <veryloud> It's good for your smartwatch to fetch the occasional news or notification, but nothing much
[18:13] <leftyfb> frad: sorry, but I am not mistaken. There is no "powerfoff" command in the systemctl documentation.
[18:13] <frad> this is iseless
[18:13] <frad> u*
[18:14] <leftyfb> frad: please copy this and search the documentation for it:    powerfoff
[18:14] <veryloud> I wonder if frad is telling the truth and the documentation has a typo
[18:14] <leftyfb> veryloud: I doubt that very much
[18:14] <veryloud> I doubt it too lol
[18:14] <leftyfb> https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-halt.service.html
[18:15] <aebraham> veryloud: So if iPhones don't use NDIS, is that something I can fix on the phone or a setting I need to change on Ubuntu?
[18:15] <frad> I typed systemctl --help, there is a 'poweroff' option listed there
[18:15] <veryloud> aebraham: could require a driver
[18:15] <leftyfb> frad: yes, poweroff is there, not powerfoff
[18:15] <frad> a lol
[18:15] <leftyfb> ;)
[18:16] <frad> you could have pointed that out though
[18:16] <leftyfb> I did, I said it was an invalid command :)
[18:17] <frad> corrected: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9MBhzkjbBH/
[18:17] <leftyfb> frad: I'm also helping to reinforce some attention to detail. That will go a long way :)
[18:17] <frad> that's true
[18:17] <leftyfb> frad: is there any downside to just testing those out?
[18:17] <frad> I don't want to log off
[18:17] <leftyfb> I see nothing damaging about either one of them
[18:18] <frad> first one will power off the machine, regardeless of how many apps are being used. If vls is the only app being used, how bad is that for the machine long term?
[18:19] <frad> I meant vlc*
[18:21] <frad> alternatively, would this work? sleep 60m && vlc://quit && sleep 61m && systemctl poweroff
[18:24] <leftyfb> frad: I'm not sure I understand the problem. Closing the app, waiting a few seconds and shutting down is just fine
[18:28] <frad> well, if the second command works, then all will be fine
[18:29] <leftyfb> you really should test things like this
[18:29] <frad> I only have one computer. will give it a try in 5 hours
[18:29] <leftyfb> frad: you could test with a container and a different app other than vlc
[18:34] <steevec> Hi
[18:35] <steevec> I'm using focal-server-cloudimg-amd64-disk-kvm.img, but it cls_bpf module is missing, do you know if it's possible to install and using it?
[18:35] <steevec> it's available inside linux-modules-5.4.0-58-generic but not inside linux-modules-5.4.0-1031-kvm
[18:40] <daum> hi all - i just upgrade my ubuntu 18 to ubuntu 20 (server), and now my networking seems to be MIA, systctl restart networking results in unit networking.service not found
[18:41] <foxide> daum: networking has been replaced with systemd-networkd, usually using netplan.
[18:43] <daum> foxide, ah yes, i recall that, google led me astray with that being first result.  Will have to see why my previous netplan isn't being picked up correctly
[18:44] <foxide> daum: If you're willing, pastebin your current netplan configuration, and I'll see if I can help.
[18:44] <foxide> Please ONLY censor public IPs and such. MAC addresses, private IPs, etc. aren't sensitive.
[18:44] <daum> yep one sec
[18:50] <devslash> Im using a docker contianer that needs to bind to the ubuntu $DISPLAY but this environment var isnt set for me. is this var set for you guys
[18:50] <daum> ah did networks cards get changed back to eno1/2 ?  i have for example enp65s0f0 but now it looks like it's got ensf0/ens3f1 and then eno1/eno2
[18:51] <EriC^^> devslash: yeah, are you using xorg or wayland?
[18:51] <devslash> oh I just realized osmething...
[18:51] <devslash> nm but thanks
[18:57] <daum> @foxide, fyi https://i.imgur.com/mGiz8rt.png is the netplan which is the same as before it hink it has to do with the network card possibly
[19:01] <aebraham> veryloud: A lot of people are got my problem after iOS 14, looks like there's some work going on to fix it: https://github.com/libimobiledevice/libimobiledevice/issues/1038
[19:01] <aebraham> *have got
[19:01] <daum> @foxide, yeah that's it my enp65s0fX card got renamed to ens3fX any idea what that would happen
[19:12] <longshanks> Hi all. I have kernel 5.8.0-43-generic, and was wondering if there's an easy way to use an older, or even LTS kernel. I had a look with apt-cache search linux* but didn't see any
[19:14] <blahboybaz> I'm having a problem with the mouse wheel on my external mouse. I don't see a setting for it in the o/s settings. I have to scroll the wheel several times before it makes the window scroll.  https://imgur.com/a/O8bq4Yo
[19:14] <blahboybaz> Does anyone know what might be causing it?
[19:15] <leftyfb> longshanks: what version of ubuntu?
[19:17] <blahboybaz> I've tried turning on natural scrolling and increasing the mouse speed but that doesn't change anything. Strangely, I get no scrolling action from the wheel at all in the settings window itself (no matter how many times I turn the wheel).
[19:19] <longshanks> leftyfb: 20.10
[19:29] <Apachez> T minus 1h15min for splashdown at mars
[19:30] <leftyfb> !ot | Apachez
[19:30] <longshanks> Apachez: already watching the livestream
[19:31] <longshanks> any ideas on how to install an older kernel on 20.10 ?
[19:39] <RayzrShrp> greetings
[19:42] <RayzrShrp> does nobody talk on here?
[19:42] <leftyfb> RayzrShrp: this is a support channel. Feel free to chat in #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:51] <Apachez> !ot | leftyfb
[20:18] <SneakyNick> Hello. Got an unusual question. I suspect I am unable to access BIOS-setup because of Secure Boot. I believe the list of trusted software has been updated because of some stuff, and that my bios version ain't trusted because CA choose to include the updated version, ie not mine. Is there any way I can access the list CA trusts?
[20:19] <SneakyNick> I want to check whether CA include only the most recent bios on its list, i.e. excluding mine.
[20:20] <sarnold> SneakyNick: that *is* an unusual question; what on earth hardware is this that it's so awkwardly constrained?
[20:20] <SneakyNick> Did I express myself clearly? My computer contains a list of trusted software. Can I check/review the list? I need to see if my bios version is on it.
[20:21] <SneakyNick> lenovo laptop, ideapad.
[20:22] <sarnold> I know next to nothing about the ideapad line but I expected something far more exotic
[20:23] <SneakyNick> well, the question seems generic to me. Shouldn't depend on which computer it is.
[20:23] <SneakyNick> Do anyone have the opportunity to check the list from CA?
[20:24] <SneakyNick> its stored on the motherboard as far as i understand.
[20:24] <sarnold> SneakyNick: well, uh, what is "list from CA"?
[20:24] <sarnold> SneakyNick: if this is a *standard* consumer machine with nothing strange in it, then there's nothing in the uefi setup that could restrict you from running the uefi setup
[20:24] <jivan> SneakyNick: "My computer contains a list of trusted software." — No, that's not how Secure Boot works
[20:25] <jivan> Your machine contains a public key that belongs to the manufacturer, and they sign the UEFI releases with the corresponding private key, allowing your mention to verify whether the UEFI you're running was signed by the manufacturer
[20:26] <leftyfb> SneakyNick: you can't access your BIOS?
[20:26] <sarnold> I'd first assume that (a) perhaps whatever key you're pressing is the wrong key (b) perhaps that key is dead, if it's the right key (c) *maybe* there's a way the OS can request the next boot not allow entering UEFI setup, eg perhaps firmware updates, but that's a big guess
[20:26] <jivan> So there is no list that you can refer to; you can only ask the question: "I *have* this version of the software, is it signed?"
[20:26] <jivan> Releases cannot be "unsigned" retrospectively, so if you were ever able to get into the UEFI, you should still be able to
[20:27] <jivan> Are you dual-booting with Windows, perchance?
[20:28] <SneakyNick> jivan: those keys are in this context utilized for verifying software integrity, to check if they are allowed to run. For practical purposes, functionally its a list.
[20:29] <jivan> There is no list. To construct a list, one would need to exhaustively look at every piece of UEFI softare that has ever been created and check to see whether it was signed by the manufacturer
[20:29] <SneakyNick> leftyfb: bios-setup. bios itself is working fine, of course.
[20:29] <jivan> Anyway, so you're mashing F2 on boot but it's not going into the settings?
[20:30] <leftyfb> SneakyNick: what is "bios-setup"?
[20:30] <Guma> Hello. I have postgres 13 installed and also have some docker conatiners. postgres is not running inside container. I modified postgres cond file to listen on docker0 interface. The problem is that on reboot docker0 is not available when postgres service starts. I can add "After=docker.service" to /lib/systemd/system/postgresql.service to make this work.
[20:31] <Guma> But I am afraid that this is not best solution since another postgres upgrade might overide this file.
[20:31] <sarnold> Guma: what errors do you get inthe logs?
[20:31] <Guma> @sarnold which specific log?
[20:32] <SneakyNick> sarnold: i understand you assume this is a normal case. Let me show you a video. It shows me trying to access bios-setup in what should be the most reliable way, the 'novo'-button. It's a pin-hole button which brings up an emergency menu. I have of course tried all the usual approaches. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKRM8FbFshU
[20:36] <sarnold> SneakyNick: ugh :( it might be time to call lenovo on this one
[20:37] <sarnold> Guma: wherever postgres logs to :) maybe that's journalctl -u postgresql or maybe that's /var/log/postgres or somewhere else..
[20:39] <SneakyNick> back, sorry for the disconnect
[20:42] <sarnold> SneakyNick: I've not seen that novo menu before
[20:42] <sarnold> SneakyNick: it feels like it's time to call lenovo support, I'd certainly expect that thing to get you into the uefi setup
[20:43] <SneakyNick> jivan: yes, its dualboot with windows. Whether there is an actual list or if its merely components storing their own certificate. At any rate, the bios is either white or blacklisted by a CA.
[20:44] <Jonta> Fonts: I've installed `fonts-senamirmir-washra`, the only apt-search hit for "jiret", and still `mktextfm` says "! I can't find file `jiret12'.". What do?
[20:45] <SneakyNick> sarnold: lenovo wants me to reset the laptop to factory defaults and update the bios. I don't want to. I'd like to know if my bios is okay by CA or not.
[20:45] <SneakyNick> update the bios can be risky. I also want to know what went wrong here.
[20:45] <leftyfb> SneakyNick: Lenovo will not ask you to reset/wipe your OS since it's not relevant
[20:46] <SneakyNick> leftyfb: those helplines tend to be algorithmic.
[20:47] <leftyfb> SneakyNick: at this point, this is not an Ubuntu issue. You need to contact Lenovo for support
[20:47] <SneakyNick> leftfb: sure, its not a ubuntu issue.
[20:47] <SneakyNick> unsure what type of issue it is.
[20:47] <leftyfb> SneakyNick: it's a Lenovo issue
[20:49] <jivan> SneakyNick: "At any rate, the bios is either white or blacklisted by a CA." — Sure, point taken there
[20:49] <jivan> Anyway, re Windows, you may need to disable fastboot in Windows
[20:50] <jivan> Since you have Windows installed, you should be able to get into the UEFI by holding SHIFT when clicking Restart in Windows, which will boot you back into Windows' boot options, one of which should be "UEFI Firmware Settings"
[20:50] <SneakyNick> anyway, wanted to ask if anyone here knew a way to check what input secure boot is getting, i.e what SB thinks is okay..
[20:50] <jivan> Otherwise, the documented way to do it on an Ideapad is to mash F2 on boot, or hold FN and mash F2 on boot
[20:51] <lord4163> I have lxd installed as a snap on raspbian and I try to import a qcow2 image using `lxc image import <image>`, but it fails... Error: exec: "qemu-img": executable file not found in $PATH
[20:51] <lord4163> I have qemu and qemu-utils installed as regular packages
[20:51] <jivan> Here's what Lenovo says, anyway: https://support.lenovo.com/gb/en/solutions/ht500216-recommended-way-to-enter-bios-ideapad
[20:51] <leftyfb> lord4163: you might want to ask for support in #raspberrypi or #snappy
[20:51] <leftyfb> lord4163: we can only support Ubuntu here
[20:52] <SneakyNick> jivan: the system behaves as if bios-setup isn't allowed to run. It doesn't matter how I try to access setup. The video I shared clearly demonstrate it.
[20:52] <lord4163> leftyfb: ok, well, both LXD and snap are Ubuntu products, so I thought I would have the most luck here.
[20:52] <leftyfb> SneakyNick: contact Lenovo support
[20:52] <jivan> Sorry, didn't see the video, was AFK for a bit
[20:52] <jivan> I'll take a look now
[20:53] <SneakyNick> for your amusement: if I repeatedly hit f2, the system pauses. Its as if it tries to load setup, but aborts. When I press f2 many times, its as if there is a process repeating itself many times, as many as f2 is pressed.
[20:53] <Apachez> parachute deployed woho!
[20:54] <jivan> SneakyNick: From the video, it seems like a firmware bug
[20:54] <sarnold> lord4163: is qemu-img on your user's path? or root's path? I'm not sure if I'd expect it to be vendored into the snap or supplied by the system..
[20:54] <jivan> I can only suggest that you get Lenovo to repair it, they should be able to physically reflash the UEFI or replace the chip
[20:54] <leftyfb> !ot | Apachez
[20:54] <leftyfb> Apachez: please stop. There's plenty of other channels to chat about non-ubuntu support topics
[20:55] <lord4163> sarnold: it is in my user's path and in the one of root
[20:55] <sarnold> lord4163: hmm https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qnqMP8BcNH/
[20:55] <leftyfb> Apachez: feel free to join $ubuntu-offtopic
[20:55] <jivan> SneakyNick: Out of curiosity, what's the behaviour if you hold SHIFT when clicking Restart in Windows?
[20:55] <hggdh> Apachez: please keep this channel for technical issues
[20:55] <tycel> Hey there, I'm having an issue with rebooting/shutting down. The system just doesn't do it. Sits at a _ black screen and won't move forcing me to hold the power button
[20:56] <tycel> @Jivan That's UEFI I think right?
[20:56] <SneakyNick> jivan: that's one alternative. I think the behavior began after installing virtualbox. It interacts with uefi. My 'theory' is that the interaction prompts CA for an update.
[20:56] <Apachez> and touchdown alive :)
[20:57] <lord4163> sarnold: ah, so it is in the snap already as well?
[20:57] <Apachez> !ot | leftyfb
[20:57] <jivan> "My 'theory' is that the interaction prompts CA for an update." — Not really sure how you think UEFI updates are pushed/released/installed or what have you, but there is no interaction with the signing authority, nor any automatic updates
[20:57] <leftyfb> Apachez: what don't you understand?
[20:57] <SneakyNick> jivan: I can try to hold shift. But I have tried to access setup through windows installation usb. Going into a repair menu and later choosing access setup.
[20:57] <jivan> SneakyNick: I think Windows Update *may* push UEFI updates for some product lines, but unless power was lost during installation, there should be no issues
[20:57] <sarnold> lord4163: yeah, I'd hope that's the one that would be used -- do you have a similar one in your snap? can you execute it directly?
[20:58] <Guma> sarnold: which logs were you asking specificly about?
[20:58] <tycel> Also, I'm having an issue with KDe and maybe someone can help me with it. (I'm asking in #KDE as well)
[20:58] <tycel> https://imgur.com/gallery/EvVorvD A visual representation of what I'm trying to figure out, I just cannot read anything on the actual plasma, except for the time. lol
[20:59] <lord4163> sarnold: yes I see the binary here as well
[20:59] <SneakyNick> jivan: i don't have detailed knowledge of how it works. Am currently reading myself 'up to speed' about it.
[21:00] <Apachez> jivan: is this #windows or #ubuntu channel? what does windows update have to do with ubuntu?
[21:00] <lord4163> sarnold: oh no
[21:00] <jivan> Rodsbooks.com is an excellent resource
[21:00] <SneakyNick> But in terms of system behavior, it would be a nice fit if the issue is Secure Boot isn't trusting my bios. Hence setup isn't allowed to run.
[21:00] <jivan> !ot | Apachez
[21:00] <lord4163> sarnold: it isn't there actually
[21:00] <jivan> (jk)
[21:00] <sarnold> lord4163: so your lxd snap just doesn't have that executable?
[21:01] <sarnold> tycel: wow that's miserable small :)
[21:01] <jivan> Alright, AFK now, dinner awaits
[21:01] <lord4163> sarnold: right, there is no qemu-img
[21:01] <lord4163> nor qemu
[21:01] <SneakyNick> I'll come back here if I find a solution, if I manage to uncover the problem. It's an unusual one.
[21:01] <Apachez> !ot | jivan
[21:01] <tycel> sarnold: yeah, I cannot for the life of me.. figure out >whyy<
[21:02] <signofzeta> If someone dual-boots Windows and Ubuntu, the automatic firmware updates could be a problem.  That being said, I haven't had any Secure Boot issues with Ubuntu.
[21:03] <sarnold> lord4163: what does 'snap info lxd' say is the current version? there's a few dozen versions published..
[21:05] <lord4163> sarnold: installed:          4.11                   (19392) 56MB -
[21:05] <sarnold> lord4163: same version I've got. strange.
[21:06] <lord4163> sarnold: note that I'm running on ARM, but it should work: https://discuss.linuxcontainers.org/t/lxd-virtual-machines-runing-perfectly-in-raspberry-pi-4/7706
[21:08] <sarnold> lord4163: but at least that could explain why yours is missing; it's probably worth a bug report
[21:14] <lord4163> sarnold: thanks, I'll report it :)
[21:48] <lord4163> So, how are you actually supposed to import a qcow2 image into lxd?
[21:52] <brimestone> Hey guys, I'm trying to use cp on a sh script but, somehow the target file ends up with a "?" in the filename
[21:56] <signofzeta> Not sure, brimestone.  Can you share the line in question?
[22:39] <GZA-Genius> Hi guys i have been using ubuntu fo a good decade both gui (laptop,desktop) and cli (inhouse server) after and update today i have lost my network connection (only have access via my IPMI/BMC) I am running Ubuntu server 20.04 with a 2 channel fiber LAG bond. I setup the bond and ip setting during system install this time. After seeing I had no connection i went to check the setting and see
[22:39] <GZA-Genius> there is no /etc/netwok/interfaces file. The system still sees the two nics eno1 eno2.  I am at a complete loss I am far from a newbie with ubuntu but far from an expert. Any and all help would be appreciated.
[22:40] <sarnold> GZA-Genius: I don't know how upgrades from previous releases are handled, but 20.04 LTS and newer uses netplan in stead of ifupdown https://netplan.io/
[22:40] <matsaman> GZA-Genius: I'd try booting from your old kernel first
[22:40] <GZA-Genius> no its not an upgrade from previos version
[22:40] <matsaman> why isn't it =/
[22:40] <GZA-Genius> just regular system updates sorry not upgrade
[22:41] <matsaman> so your network has never worked on this install?
[22:41] <GZA-Genius> no it has always worked fine, just after todays updates and reboot the bond dissapeared
[22:42] <sarnold> /var/log/dpkg.log keeps track of which packages were upgraded, when; it's a bit miserable to read but it's there
[22:43] <sarnold> maybe that can help you figure out which packages to start investigating
[22:43] <matsaman> ^
[22:43] <matsaman> linux/kernel/net things
[22:43] <jivan> SneakyNick: Should've also linked this earlier when I mentioned Rodsbooks.com, here's a primer for UEFI: https://www.happyassassin.net/posts/2014/01/25/uefi-boot-how-does-that-actually-work-then/
[22:43] <GZA-Genius> and I dont think that netplan or ifupdown are even installed becasuse when I i go to run certain commands it tells me to install obviously i cant because no inet, this is confusing the hell out of me, the only thing i did today was install webmin but i did not make any changes to system except create and install ssl certs to it
[22:43] <GZA-Genius> ok let me look
[22:44] <sarnold> oh man, webmin
[22:44] <GZA-Genius> should i purge webmin and try
[22:44] <sarnold> depending upon what they did during installation, it might be easier to start from scratch
[22:46] <leftyfb> webmin can severely fubar configs .... you should remove it and never look back. You might have to clean up after it though
[22:46] <GZA-Genius> normally i setup network manually after OS install but this time i did during setup and of course they must have changed the system so i am unfamilar with it
[22:46] <leftyfb> GZA-Genius: step #1 would be to reboot into the previous kernel
[22:46] <GZA-Genius> ok ill do that and see if i can find anything usefull ill bbiab
[22:46] <matsaman> webmin and things like it are big security holes
[22:47] <leftyfb> matsaman: and just as important, they screw with standard configs
[22:47] <matsaman> yup, same problem
[22:47] <GZA-Genius> I didnt even really need it it just comes in usefull when i am at work sometimes, and i was bored home on a snow day so said hey let me do this.. and of course it bites me in the but
[22:48] <matsaman> pretty sure that's why the distro I use doesn't even provide a package for it
[22:48] <matsaman> web admin is a great idea, but that's a hell of a lot of access even if it didn't fubar your configs
[22:48] <leftyfb> matsaman: ubuntu doesn't have it in the standard repo's either
[22:49] <matsaman> be surprised if any sane distro has, yeah
[22:49] <GZA-Genius> yea it was more out of boredom then anything i dont really even need have ssh and a vpn of course this happens
[22:49] <matsaman> =)
[22:50] <GZA-Genius> ok im gonna purge reboot then do some investigating ill see what i can come up with thanks for your guys input hopefully I wont have to be here all day :)
[22:51] <jeremy31> GZA-Genius: Are we as bad as the dentist?
[22:51] <sarnold> good luck :)
[22:52] <GZA-Genius> no u guys are great but hopefully wont have to be here asking dumb questions all day
[22:54] <oerheks> yes we do. and sometimes an interesting bond issue walks in...
[22:54] <rdr> that bond sounds more problematic than the one i had with my ex!
[22:57] <GZA-Genius> ok purged still nothing so am i to understand server 20.04 net stack is run by netplan now? because i dont see it installed and i dont see it was removed in the logs anywhere. Is there a tutorial or a manual you guys know of that i can just manually redo my net setting from scratch? Also as of now to make things easier i swtched the switch setting from aggregate to normal switching just to
[22:57] <GZA-Genius> try and get a singfle link up and get me online
[22:58] <GZA-Genius> so is it normal now in 20.04 for there not to be an interfaces file?
[22:59] <sarnold> yeah; as I said I don't know what happens on upgrades
[23:00] <sarnold> but on new installs it ought to be netplan
[23:01] <oerheks> 18.04 gives netplan too..
[23:02] <sarnold> hmm, really?
[23:02] <GZA-Genius> i thought i manually configured interfaces file and stuff on 18.04
[23:04] <sarnold> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes#netplan.io
[23:04] <sarnold> huh I didn't realize I did something funny on my bionic system :)
[23:06] <GZA-Genius> ok so netplan is install atleast so it wasnt purged
[23:07] <sarnold> GZA-Genius: do be careful with the package name; in some releases of ubuntu, this is netplan http://www.bitrot.de/plan.html
[23:08] <GZA-Genius> netplan.io for 20.04 correct?
[23:08] <GZA-Genius> my /et/netplan/00-installer-config.yaml looks all good
[23:09] <leftyfb> GZA-Genius: did you reboot into the previous kernel?
[23:09] <GZA-Genius> no let me do that now
[23:12] <GZA-Genius> i love you guys this is one of the major reasons i jumped to ubuntu a long time ago community is great well linux in general, i have been saying since i was 14 i need to learn linux then finally at like 24 i said f it and installed ubuntu and forced self to learn basically via google and guys like you so thanks
[23:13] <leftyfb> GZA-Genius: ok, now install the HWE kenel package
[23:13] <GZA-Genius> i already have hwe installed
[23:13] <leftyfb> GZA-Genius: linux-generic-hwe-20.04
[23:14] <leftyfb> GZA-Genius: that should pull in the necessary -modules package you need to load the proper drivers for you server
[23:14] <GZA-Genius> ok previos kernel still no net
[23:14] <leftyfb> oh,i assumed your rave above was due to it working
[23:15] <GZA-Genius> haha no sorry
[23:16] <leftyfb> GZA-Genius: please pastebin the output of these: ls -l /sys/class/net ; cat /etc/netplan/00-installer-config.yaml   # also make sure 00-installer-config.yaml is only config file in /etc/netplan
[23:16] <leftyfb> GZA-Genius: a screenshot will be fine as well
[23:17] <rdr> does <IP_ADDRESS> have hwe already?
[23:18] <sarnold> it should, the hwe stack was ready before the discs :)
[23:18] <GZA-Genius> ok now with pastebinit i get a temporary name resolution failure which is normal because i have no net conn correct?
[23:18] <rdr> sounds normal for no internet
[23:18] <GZA-Genius> ill uploasad screenshots
[23:18] <leftyfb> GZA-Genius: you have no network, correct
[23:19] <matsaman> so you went from 20.04 to 20.04.2?
[23:19] <leftyfb> GZA-Genius: maybe also the output of "sudo netplan apply"
[23:19] <matsaman> is there a 20.04.2 live OS image? Does networking work from it?
[23:19] <GZA-Genius> have not tried that matsaman
[23:20] <GZA-Genius> gimme a sc and gather up the screenshots
[23:21] <leftyfb> matsaman: this worked before, not much benefit in seeing if it works from a live cd/usb. We know it doesn't work now with the current or previous kernels.
[23:22] <GZA-Genius> how can i turn off color coding on the cli interfaces , when the blue color comes up on screen its illegible via ipmi interface
[23:22] <GZA-Genius> im on my windows desktop my boy needed to borrow my linux laptop so thats another thing annoying me now lol
[23:23] <GZA-Genius> bashrc right?
[23:24] <matsaman> leftyfb: it would show a problem with 20.04.2 specifically, vs 20.04
[23:24] <GZA-Genius> like i said it wasnt a major upgrade just a normal package update interval if that helps
[23:24] <leftyfb> GZA-Genius: stick this at the end:   | cat
[23:25] <GZA-Genius> thanks leftyfb
[23:26] <GZA-Genius> just need a few to setup a few things on winblows to make this easier
[23:28] <GZA-Genius> ill bbiaf gotta get a drink p and download and install a few things you guys are great thanks for all your help so far
[23:28] <murpheux> How can I make my ubuntu installation as light as Arch
[23:29] <leftyfb> murpheux: install arch or build your own distro
[23:29] <matsaman> murpheux: what makes you think arch is lighter than ubuntu
[23:30] <GZA-Genius> murpheux dont know if they still release ubuntu core versions
[23:30] <murpheux> blogs I guess. Ubuntu server seems bloated with packages and I'd like to pick and choose
[23:31] <leftyfb> murpheux: like?
[23:31] <murpheux> I mean pick and choose packages than a bunch already done for me which I may not be using
[23:31] <Teacup> If you want a more basic setup for a server that you can add onto rather than remove from, you could use debian.
[23:31] <matsaman> it's been a while, but I doubt Ubuntu server comes with much by default
[23:32] <murpheux> I love apt/apt-get
[23:32] <sarnold> GZA-Genius: hopefully helpful https://no-color.org/
[23:33] <the_og_spazzz> Good Afternoon.  I was wondering if anyone would be willing to help me troubleshoot a VNC issue thats driving me absolutely bonkers.
[23:33] <the_og_spazzz> I'm attempting to connect from a Win10 PC to a 20.10 system and I keep getting a black screen though I can send input to it.  I've enabled Screensharing and I can't seem to find a clear answer via google with several different search terms.
[23:33] <GZA-Genius> yes i agree the base ubuntu server is great and you only install what u need, usually i just setup the basic during iunstall to get net access and as i setup things i need it installs the packages you need and it keeps it slim
[23:34] <Teacup> the_og_spazzz: What are you using to connect to the VNC server?
[23:34] <the_og_spazzz> RealVNC
[23:34] <matsaman> murpheux: anyway, you can spin up an ubuntu server, debian, and archlinux install in a VM and compare preinstalled packages
[23:35] <the_og_spazzz> Teacup: RealVNC, sorry been a minute since i've been on IRC
[23:35] <GZA-Genius> no need to install all the meta packages during install because u think you may use it, as long as you have net access u can install when u do need it, when i first started using i would check off tons of stuff i would never need i have learned since then its unnecessary, but obviously i haven't learned enough :)
[23:35] <matsaman> murpheux: although comparing those lists _after_ you install the server software you actually mean to use in the end would be even more useful
[23:35] <Teacup> the_og_spazzz: No problem I saw it
[23:35] <murpheux> I will do just that @Acou_Bass
[23:37] <leftyfb> matsaman: I just spun up a 20.04 container and it's under 1G in size with 547 packages installed.
[23:38] <leftyfb> murpheux: ^
[23:38] <leftyfb> murpheux: which packages do you feel shouldn't be there?
[23:38] <murpheux> will list the packages after install and compare the numbers also
[23:38] <Teacup> the_og_spazzz: Perhaps this is relevant? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1205687/ubuntu-18-04-vnc-grey-screen
[23:39] <Teacup> I've not encountered this issue, though it could be due to the fact that I don't use the default DE
[23:39] <murpheux> I cannot say specifically, my concern is trying to make my server as fast and quick as possible and thot removing unused packages can help
[23:39] <Teacup> I could spin up a VM with default 20.10 to test it if you continue to have issues
[23:40] <the_og_spazzz> @Tea
[23:41] <leftyfb> murpheux: start with quantifying "fast and quick" and what packages, or better yet, running services you feel are slowing it down.
[23:41] <the_og_spazzz> Teacup: I'd really prefer not to switch DE's.  Is this known to just be broken in stock?  The way the guides all tell it I should just be able to turn on Screen Sharing, connect to my machines IP and go.
[23:42] <leftyfb> murpheux: this is everything running on the container I spun up: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/KTR7BppPVs/
[23:42] <leftyfb> murpheux: I did remove snapd ... that is something that can be removed if you don't plan on using it
[23:42] <GZA-Genius> here are the screen shots, ill be back in 5 gotta run to bathroom
[23:43] <GZA-Genius> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/18kYPT_fSiIiQQXjWy8uvgjPni902JtPO?usp=sharing
[23:43] <leftyfb> GZA-Genius: both pictures are of the same thing
[23:44] <kevr> murpheux: there are minimal installations available. you could easily strip an installation down to almost nothing.
[23:44] <kevr> honestly, removing packages will not speed up your installation, usually.
[23:45] <kevr> the slowdown of your server is due to the applications that it runs and the hardware it has to support those applications.
[23:45] <Teacup> the_og_spazzz: Give me a few
[23:45] <the_og_spazzz> Teacup: No worries, I appreciate it
[23:52] <Teacup> the_og_spazzz: What VNC server are you using?
[23:52] <GZA-Genius> leftyfb sorry must have overwritten by ax ill fix now
[23:53] <the_og_spazzz> Teacup: Whatever is built in.  I haven't changed anything other than go to Settings and turn on Screen Sharing
[23:53] <the_og_spazzz> And set a password
[23:54] <the_og_spazzz> Teacup: I think its called vino
[23:54] <GZA-Genius> leftyfb ok i fixed refresh link
[23:55] <leftyfb> GZA-Genius: and what do you get when running: sudo netplan apply
[23:56] <leftyfb> GZA-Genius: mind me asking why you need the bonded interfaces on your home network?
[23:56] <GZA-Genius> leftyfb added to folder
[23:56] <GZA-Genius> but i have that link dissconnect let me enable the bond on switch and plug both fiber in and rerun
[23:58] <GZA-Genius> ok i enable lag on switch getting same thing let me reboot switch and server and rerun just to makesure not getting false errors


[21:07] <wrst> afternoon chris4585
[21:08] <chris4585> hi wrst
[21:08] <wrst> monday monday!!! monday madness
[21:09] <chris4585> lol
[21:26] <wrst> hmm yeah been a little butty today
[21:26] <wrst> err
[21:26] <wrst> nutty today!!!
[21:27] <chris4585> sounds like it, I don't have much planned for today... except enjoy it I guess
[21:28] <wrst> that's not a bad thing at all
[21:29] <chris4585> no, but I feel old, today I am 22
[21:49] <wrst> chris4585: :P
[21:49] <wrst> no sympathy from me
[21:49]  * wrst is an old man
[22:09] <chris4585> lol


[09:17] <Acceso> I am trying to get latest Evolution Mail installed, any ppa for Ubuntu 12.04 lts?
[12:19] <Dark_light> Anyone trying out gnome 3.10 on 13.10 ? it should be officially out tomorrow
[16:56] <petersaints> GNOME 3.10 is already being built on the Staging PPA. Do you intend to move it to the Next PPA once all packages are built?
[18:05] <nazgul_> petersaints: yes once they are considered to be stable enough
[18:17] <roasted_> hello friends
[18:17] <roasted_> can I fire up the 3.10 PPA on 13.04 or must I use 13.10?
[18:49] <nazgul_> roasted_: 3.10 PPA is for 13.10 only
[19:47] <gonyere> so, i just did a dist-upgrade on 13.10 beta, and no longer have a working login screen...
[19:48] <gonyere> in order to login to my system i have to drop back to the command line, login and startx
[19:49] <gonyere> also, for some reason gnome-settings-daemon was/is kept back
[21:12] <roasted_> my brightness controls broke in 13.10 but work in every other distro with 3.11 :(
[21:16] <darkxst> roasted_, check ~/.cache/upstart/gnome-settings-daemon.log for errors
[21:17] <darkxst> ricotz, was it just that one patch needed for mozjs24 tarball?
[21:17] <roasted_> darkxst: I'm getting this over and over (gnome-settings-daemon:2035): GLib-GIO-WARNING **: Dropping signal AcceleratorActivated of type (uuu) since the type from the expected interface is (uu)
[21:17] <roasted_> but that's it
[21:18] <gonyere> roasted_  brightness controls are also broken for me
[21:18] <darkxst> brightness controls are broken in both the shell and g-c-c?
[21:19] <roasted_> g-c-c works, but the brightness slider in the upper right of 3.9.92 is broken
[21:19] <darkxst> ok then its a bug in gnome-shell
[21:19] <gonyere> its also broken in 3.10.0 and the controls on my laptop are also broken
[21:20] <darkxst> check gnome-session.log
[21:22] <darkxst> roasted_, are your media keys working?
[21:22] <roasted_> darkxst: no
[21:22] <roasted_> they work in literally every other distro I've tried on 3.10 and 3.11 kernel
[21:22] <darkxst> that will be related to the above error
[21:22] <roasted_> there were some issues with my particular junk lenovo that didn't gain any attention until 3.10
[21:22] <roasted_> but 3.10 and 3.11 have been pretty great
[21:24] <ricotz> darkxst, no, there are several patches needed, but i didnt got a working tarball yet
[21:25] <ricotz> media-keys and brightness controls are working here
[21:26] <ricotz> darkxst, i didnt sync g-s-d with ubuntu yet, besides accountsservice patch updates to fix annoying crash
[21:28] <darkxst> roasted_, are you using only -next ppa?
[21:29] <roasted_> darkxst: could be. I fired this install up after a few weeks of not using it. I think I had gnome3 ppa added before.
[21:29] <darkxst> ricotz, ok np
[21:30] <darkxst> roasted_, test with next+staging, I think both issues are due to not having updated gnome-settings-daemon
[21:31] <roasted_> which staging includes?
[21:38] <darkxst> yes staging has g-s-d 3.10
[21:38] <darkxst> which 100% breaks Unity currently
[21:42] <roasted_> darkxst: works now in the upper right corner, media keys still don't work. might need a kernel parameter.
[21:42] <roasted_> the new gnome is pretty neat. I'll have to check it out a bit after 3.10 is released
[21:42] <darkxst> you will need to logout and back in, to  make sure running new g-s-d
[21:45] <ricotz> darkxst, ok, no more uploads from me till tomorrow ;)
[21:47] <darkxst> ricotz, thanks for all the updates ;)
[22:36] <darkxst> roasted_, can you file bugs for those 2 issues as well!
[22:42] <roasted_> for... the brightness? staging took care of that.
[22:43] <roasted_> media keys don't work but I haven't tried any kernel parameters yet. I used to have to use windows 2012 grub parameter to get medias key brightness working.
[23:18] <darkxst> roasted_, yes, -next probably wont get g-s-d update for sometime yet
[23:19] <roasted_> what do I file it against?


[00:00] <codenomics> howdy
[00:02] <codenomics> been trying to install 14.04.2 on my machine and all is well until the base install... says that it is getting packages and sits at 6% for an hour and then errors out on everything
[00:03] <codenomics> right now I am trying to install 14.10 to see how that works out for me... that actually started by giving me an error at boot about an invalid parameter
[00:04] <codenomics> not sure if any one has had that issue with it erroring out on install and has a "yeah do this" quick fix but figured I would pop in and ask
[00:49] <pmatulis> codenomics: nope.  sounds like you may have a hardware or network problem
[00:50] <codenomics> pmatulis: it is actually working great with 14.10
[00:51] <pmatulis> codenomics: you just said you got an error
[00:51] <codenomics> pmatulis: there is an error when loading the installation media saying invalid parameter
[00:52] <codenomics> I just typed "install" and all was well
[00:52] <codenomics> the main issue was that it would completely fail when downloading packages
[00:52] <codenomics> might have been the install media I guess
[00:54] <pmatulis> codenomics: yeah, try to redownload the ISO
[00:54] <codenomics> 14.10 just finished installing and is good to go
[00:54] <pmatulis> cheers
[00:54] <codenomics> no reason that I HAVE to have 14.04, it was just the media that I had
[00:55] <codenomics> rebooting now and seeing if it explodes or not lol
[00:55] <pmatulis> ok, no reason for LTS then
[00:55] <codenomics> thanks though
[00:55] <codenomics> pmatulis: this is just a media server for my house
[00:55] <pmatulis> codenomics: gotcha
[00:55] <codenomics> a very large, expensive media server lol
[00:56] <codenomics> going to strap it to the supports in my basement and use it to hold the house down if we ever have a tornado
[00:56] <codenomics> yay errors!
[00:58] <codenomics> well... I got errors but it seems to be a well known and fixable bug so that is good lol
[03:35] <Esteban__> Hello today I applied some security patches on Ubuntu12.04 LTS and PHP is taking 30 secs per request
[03:36] <Esteban__> Not sure if it is Apache, PHP or MPM prefork
[07:20] <dtscode> i installed iredmail successfully, and setup mx records, and was able to recieve mails successfully, but then it just stopped working. any help?
[09:16] <blackyboy> Hi Everyone, I have installed and configured my wordpress site in Ubuntu 14.04 vps using LEMP stack (Nginx), And installed with vsftpd and ftp configured. Now my developer need the ftp access for that i have created a ftp user as below. sudo useradd -d /var/www/html/mydomain.com devloper, Then provided a password. this User chroot to his home directory mydomain.com. Now i want to put files in /var/www/html/mydomain.com while that time it should come
[09:48] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:41] <devster31> hi, wonder if anyone can help me, I want to install these 2 packages on my small server: libcurl4-gnutls-dev:i386 and libkrb5-dev but whenever I try to install one it removes the other, is there a way to keep them both?


[10:55] <ogra> nictuku: python
[10:55] <mdz> nictuku: the website is based on plone, and therefore zope, and therefore python
[10:55] <protocol> thanks guys... bbiab :>
[10:56] <nictuku> so I guess the web interface to packages will be python too..
[10:56] <marc> hi
[10:56] <mdz> nictuku: we standardize on python for development wherever possible
[10:57] <Gary> Hi
[10:57] <marc> I've got a lil problem concerning powernow... I asked this some weeks ago and got a workaround (some insmod?), does anybody happen to know how to solve the non working powernow AMD Feature?
[10:58] <marc> at the moment the gnome cpufreq applet jumps from 130 ghz to 1083 ghz
[10:58] <GoneBoB> marc: wow
[10:58] <dredg> i wish my desktop ran at 1083ghz
[10:58] <marc> hehe
[10:58] <marc> yes
[10:58] <mcdonc|xboxin> marc: its working ok on my pentium m,,,
[10:58] <GoneBoB> I wish mine ran at 130
[10:58] <marc> it's a bug...
[10:58] <marc> or maybe a feature :D
[10:59] <ogra> if its a real value i'd consider it a feature
[10:59] <marc> hehe... 130 ghz... now THAT would be some overclocking :D
[10:59] <mconc> marc: it gets its data from the proc filesystem (or maybe somewhere in /sys), have you looked to see what the values reported there are?
[11:00] <marc> how is the module for powernow called?
[11:00] <marc> powernow_k7... or k7-powernow... k7_powernow... powernow-k7...
[11:01] <topyli> marc: what does lm_sensors say about your cpu temperature? =)
[11:01] <mconc> haha
[11:01] <GoneBoB> oh look.. it reports 200 deg C
[11:01] <marc> my cpu runs at max speed
[11:01] <marc> 1,8 ghz
[11:01] <GoneBoB> although to acheive 120ghz be more like to be -200
[11:01] <Kyaneos> hi
[11:01] <topyli> hehe
[11:02] <marc> it's an already reported bug I think
[11:02] <mconc> marc: i think (at least on my system) the relevant module is cpufreq_powersave
[11:02] <marc> bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1444
[11:03] <Gary> Hi, I can't get sound working on VIA 8233 based MB.  Some may recognize this question.  I asked on the mailing list too.
[11:03] <topyli> Gary: ac97 or whats-the-chip-called?
[11:03] <ogra> 640kb will be enough for everyone ;)
[11:04] <ogra> LucidVisions
[11:04] <marc> where are the modules located?
[11:04] <topyli> ogra: but "everyone" is not many because there's a market for maybe 50 computers in the world
[11:04] <Gary> It's the VIA 8233, the manual calls it AC97.  Windows calls it AC97.
[11:04] <ogra> *g*
[11:04] <HWolf> How can I test if my fglrx-drivers are working ok?
[11:04] <topyli> Gary: someone else had trouble with that also.
[11:05] <topyli> Gary: it's a very common, very buggy chip, but there's a lot of info on the web
[11:05] <mconc> marc: i have a tp t42p and my cat of /proc/cpufreq says my cpu is capable of 600000KHz - 1800000Khz, what does yours say?
[11:05] <ogra> HWolf: buy doom3 ?
[11:05] <marc> nothing
[11:05] <Gary> topyli:  I'm thinking I might just buy the support.  Thought I'd run it through here first.
[11:05] <marc> simply says "minumum  ----- maximum"
[11:05] <marc> no numbers
[11:06] <HWolf> Ogra, I don't like shooters. Port R:TW to linux for me, and you'll earn my devotion. :-)
[11:06] <marc> but the bug has been reported ---> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1444
[11:06] <altan> what's the command to start synaptic w/o using a terminal window? I tried gksu but it doesn't work.
[11:06] <marc> I'd just have to modprobe the powernow module
[11:06] <marc> but i dunno where they are located
[11:06] <marc> or how the module is called
[11:06] <ogra> HWolf: R:TW ?
[11:06] <topyli> Gary: i think last time we talked about it here, we concluded buying a cheap sound blaster 128 is the solution :)
[11:06] <georgia> altan: sudo synaptic
[11:06] <AlohaWulf> woo.. got VMware working
[11:07] <HWolf> ogra: Rome: Total War. Strategy game of the year 2004. :-)
[11:07] <altan> georgia: that opens a term window though :/
[11:07] <mconc> marc: i dont think there is a powernow module.  there is a cpufreq module and apparently a speedstep module (not sure how they relate)
[11:07] <ogra> HWolf: ah
[11:07] <georgia> oh, sorry half aslkeep, thought you wnated to do it IN a terminal window
[11:07] <Gary> topyli:  Oh man that's such a simple and good idea.  Why didn't I think of that. :)
[11:07] <marc> mconc, i remember that I already did powernow insmods
[11:07] <topyli> Gary: i have the same chip onboard, but i've never tried to use it. i have a sb128 :)
[11:07] <altan> I want to make a launcher
[11:08] <georgia> altan: gksudo /usr/sbin/synaptic in the launcher will do it
[11:08] <marc> speedstep = powernow for intels :D
[11:08] <altan> ah, I'll try that
[11:08] <mconc> marc: i think if there are modules for that, they are for amd chips and you have a piii, right?
[11:08] <altan> I was just using gksu
[11:08] <marc> no
[11:08] <marc> athlon xp mobile
[11:09] <altan> georgia, doesn't work :/
[11:09] <marc> generall: where are modules located?
[11:09] <georgia> altan: doesnt do anything?
[11:09] <Gary> topyli: I suppose if I wanted to help support ubuntu I could buy support but there's no guarantee that we'd get is working and may end up with the same result.... buy a sb128.
[11:09] <altan> I turned on startup notification and it says Failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic as user root
[11:09] <altan> no, /usr/share/synaptic
[11:09] <mconc> marc: oic, the bug said a tp 21 w/ a piii, thought that was you.
[11:10] <topyli> Gary: i seem to remember some mandrake users have worked it out on alt.os.linux.mandrake. perhaps have a look at the archives
[11:10] <altan> oh god, I'm an idiot
[11:10] <altan> nevermind
[11:10] <marc> ooops
[11:10] <topyli> nevermind, god
[11:10] <marc> gotta go
[11:10] <AlohaWulf> Gary, what card fo you have now?
[11:10] <georgia> altan: you're only human, mistakes happen
[11:10] <altan> works perfectly, thanks
[11:10] <Gary> AlohaWulf: it's built on the MB.
[11:10] <altan> I found it with the find command but it was the wrong one, heh. thanks again
[11:11] <AlohaWulf> Gary, let me rephrase.. what chipset then :-P
[11:11] <Beast> hey all. Are any developers around? I would like to ask what are the chances of getting a package in a ubuntu repository for the program xchat-systray-plugin?
[11:12] <JoeB> um, stupid question here... I just installed Ubuntu for the first time, and nowhere did it ask me for what I wanted the root password to be.. is there a default root password?
[11:12] <Gary> I think what you are asking is VIA 8233.  The manual also says VIA KM266 (Northbridge)
[11:12] <Beast> JoeB, no root password in ubuntu
[11:12] <Beast> JoeB, the root account is disabled and you can use sudo to get root access
[11:12] <JoeB> ah, ok
[11:12] <Beast> JoeB, by default the first user you created can do sudo
[11:12] <topyli> Beast: i used to have a debian package that worked on ubuntu. don't remember if i got it from somewhere or built it myself, but it's definitely doable
[11:12] <Dekkard> im used to rp-ppoe..vanilla version.. what is the command to reconfigure your network in debian distros?
[11:13] <Beast> topyli, ooooh wow
[11:13] <HWolf> Hm, what's the command to get frlrx-control up?
[11:13] <AlohaWulf> Gary, Ive had a fair bit of experence with funky sound cards
[11:13] <AlohaWulf> OSS seems to work better on some then ALSA
[11:14] <Matt|> topyli, you don't happen to still have it do ya?
[11:14] <topyli> Matt|: i'm not a ubuntu developer though, i don't know what they think
[11:14] <Matt|> topyli, i would be grateful just to get hold of it :)
[11:15] <Gary> AlohaWulf: is it a simple matter of changing it with apt-get or synaptic?
[11:15] <topyli> Matt|: i don't seem to have it anymore. i don't use xchat anymore so i think i've deleted it :(
[11:15] <Gary> AlohaWulf : from ALSA to OSS I mean.
[11:15] <Matt|> topyli, ah ok
[11:15] <topyli> Matt|: i remember it was rather painless
[11:16] <AlohaWulf> Gary, you might wanna ask some of those who are more familiar with Debian/Ubuntu then I am, I could tell ya how to do it on Mandrake :-P
[11:16] <Matt|> topyli, i have never used debian system before: so I don't know how to build progs
[11:16] <topyli> Matt|: if i made it myself, i made it with checkinstall (that's how i make my packages)
[11:16] <Matt|> ok
[11:16] <Gary> AlohaWulf:  okay no prob.  Thanks for the advice.
[11:17] <topyli> Matt|: on the site you get the source. untar, ./configure, make, checkinstall
[11:17] <topyli> install checkinstall first :)
[11:17] <kapputu> hi everyone
[11:17] <kapputu> hi Matt|
[11:17] <kapputu> hi topyli
[11:17] <Matt|> topyli, sounds easy :)
[11:17] <Matt|> hi kapputu
[11:17] <topyli> Matt|: it is
[11:17] <Matt|> topyli, ok i'll try it
[11:17] <Matt|> checkinstall sounds clever
[11:17] <nictuku> hmmm that automatic vfat check not only is ugly, but it screwed my partition :P
[11:17] <kapputu> what's checkinstall for ?
[11:18] <kapputu> nictuku: you might want to change your nick to nickutu
[11:18] <topyli> Matt|: you'll miss some development packages in the beginning, just install what ./configure complains about
[11:18] <Matt|> topyli, yes probably. i just did a reinstall :(
[11:18] <nictuku> why, kapputu?
[11:18] <kapputu> because it rhymes with ubuntu and kapputu
[11:18] <kapputu> :-P
[11:19] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[11:19] <kapputu> hi [Phaedrus]
[11:19] <nictuku> hoho
[11:19] <topyli> nictuku: kapputu has a strong point there :)
[11:19] <GoneBoB> and bobutu
[11:19] <xenonite> kapputu: checkinstall is very useful if you want to uninstall a program later
[11:19] <kapputu> no georgia what about georgutu ?
[11:19] <HrdwrBoB> Hrdwrutu ?
[11:19] <georgia> nah, dont like the sound of that one
[11:20] <kapputu> xenonite: can I not use apt-get remove or is this for ones that I make ?
[11:20] <georgia> i think i'll stick with plain ole "georgia"
[11:20] <ogra> ogruntu
[11:20] <nomasteryoda> LOL
[11:20] <ogra> (bot)
[11:20] <[Phaedrus] > hi kapputu
[11:20] <kapputu> oh ok, this is for ones where you do a make install ?
[11:20] <topuntu> kapputu: checkinstall?
[11:20] <xenonite> kapputu: but if you compile the sources... you usually run `make install`
[11:21] <[Phaedrus] > somebody is compiling the kernel?
[11:21] <kapputu> [Phaedrus] :  me not yet :-)
[11:21] <[Phaedrus] > woohoo!
[11:21] <kapputu> but I want to do it
[11:21] <kapputu> probably sometime next week
[11:21] <[Phaedrus] > nice nice
[11:21] <xenonite> kapputu: but if the developer of that program forgot to implement a `make uninstall` routine, you dont know which files to delete
[11:21] <[Phaedrus] > just make sure you dont need your computer for a couple of hours
[11:22] <kapputu> I have others ...
[11:22] <xenonite> and checkinstall solves this by recording the files a program installs
[11:22] <[Phaedrus] > awesome
[11:22] <kapputu> xenonite: how do I uninstall then ?
[11:22] <topyli> kapputu: you use apt
[11:23] <kapputu> to uninstall what I installed by compiling the source ?
[11:23] <topyli> kapputu: yes, checkinstall makes a proper deb package and installs it
[11:23] <kapputu> ic
[11:23] <georgia> sweet!
[11:23] <kapputu> hmm I installed mplayer by compiling the source
[11:23] <kapputu> wish I had known
[11:24] <kapputu> Klowner_ is now known as Klowner - are you sure ? Klownutu seems better
[11:24] <HrdwrBoB> oh well
[11:24] <HrdwrBoB> now you know
[11:24] <topyli> kapputu: the point is, if foo depends on bar, and you've installed bar from source, apt won't know about that. but if you make a deb with checkinstall, apt knows you have bar
[11:24] <HrdwrBoB> not a huge deal
[11:24] <Matt|> topyli, there is no configure in the xchat-systray package
[11:24] <kapputu> ic
[11:24] <Matt|> topyli, just an ./install script
[11:24] <Klowner> kapputu: heheh
[11:25] <Matt|> topyli, mebbe i will just run that
[11:25] <kapputu> what about CPAN modules
[11:25] <xenonite> checkinstall is very nice, and works with deb _and_ rpm
[11:25] <topyli> Matt|: hmm. what does the readme say?
[11:25] <xenonite> btw, how do i install .deb-files?
[11:25] <topyli> xenonite: dpkg -i foo.deb
[11:25] <HrdwrBoB> dpkg -i foo.deb
[11:25] <Matt|> To compile this plugin just type "make"
[11:25] <Matt|> just load it in xchat or put it in the plugins directory
[11:25] <xenonite> thanx
[11:26] <kapputu> what's dselect ?
[11:26] <HrdwrBoB> kapputu: something we shall never talk of again
[11:26] <kapputu> Is it a program that choses what apps to install and installs them using dpkg ?
[11:26] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[11:26] <HrdwrBoB> except it's utter garbage
[11:26] <georgia> HrdwrBoB: it could be worse
[11:26] <kapputu> yeah I had some problems with it when I was installing debian
[11:26] <topyli> Matt|: things have changed. oh i wish i'd saved the .deb :(
[11:26] <nictuku> aptitute is nice
[11:27] <Klowner> heck, I use apt-get most of the time
[11:27] <topyli> HrdwrBoB: dselect is not garbage, it works every time. but it's _not_ friendly :)
[11:27] <kapputu> yeah one of the things that has really got me hooked
[11:27] <HrdwrBoB> georgia: true, but it could be a whoooole lot better
[11:27] <HrdwrBoB> topyli: dselect is not particularly useful
[11:27] <georgia> also true
[11:27] <HrdwrBoB> runnign apt-cache and apt-get
[11:27] <topyli> HrdwrBoB: how so?
[11:28] <HrdwrBoB> is much easier/quicker
[11:28] <HWolf> How do you start the fglrx-control program?
[11:28] <nictuku> was ubuntu affected by that netfilter log bug in linux 2.6?
[11:28] <HWolf> nictuku: no
[11:28] <kapputu> what was the netfilter log bug ?
[11:28] <HWolf> I don't think so.
[11:28] <Matt|> topyli, there is a deb file on the sourgeforge page
[11:28] <Matt|> topyli, that will be ok?
[11:28] <topyli> HrdwrBoB: upgrade debian from a release to another, and you'll see that dselect is about the only one that can do it cleanly the first time
[11:29] <topyli> Matt|: it's probably what i had :)
[11:29] <nictuku> i've registered in the site. Do I have permission to edit "https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/wiki/link_view" ?
[11:29] <ogra> nictuku: no netfilter, no bug ;)
[11:29] <nictuku> I can't find the option
[11:29] <kapputu> ogra: what's netfilter ?
[11:29] <nictuku> Oh I forgot, there is no netfilter
[11:29] <nictuku> kapputu, iptables
[11:29] <Matt|> topyli, how do i install a /deb file? just apt-get install file?
[11:29] <ogra> kapputu: portblocking software
[11:30] <topyli> Matt|: dpkg -i foo.deb
[11:30] <georgia> Matt|: dpkg -i <file>
[11:30] <HrdwrBoB> ogra: haha
[11:30] <HrdwrBoB> it's a little more than 'portblocking'
[11:30] <nictuku> MUCH more thatn port blocking
[11:30] <HrdwrBoB> in fact it's a lot more :)
[11:30] <Matt|> thanks topyli, georgia
[11:30] <Matt|> i should investigate dpkg
[11:31] <topyli> Matt|: you should investigate wajig :)
[11:31] <ogra> ;) just giving credits to the fact that every crappy portblocker on win calls itself a firwall
[11:31] <ogra> +e
[11:32] <topyli> Matt|: there's (or at least used to be) also a weird icon bug, so you'll get an empty space in your tray. click it, and find the icon from /usr/share/somewhere. the web page talks about this
[11:32] <nictuku> ogra, you asked early if I wanted to fix https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/wiki/link_view .. I wonder if that's possible.
[11:33] <topyli> Matt|: i mean click the empty space and configure the shit
[11:33] <ogra> nictuku: i'm just looking, seems not like, sorry....
[11:33] <Matt|> topyli, yes i remember that
[11:33] <nictuku> ogra, ok :)
[11:33] <Matt|> topyli, what is wajig
[11:34] <Matt|> brb
[11:34] <topyli> Matt|: wajig is a CLI front end to any debian configuration tool you can guess. look it up on freshmeat.net, it's quite famous
[11:35] <altan> wow, I really hated Mac OS 7/8/9 when I had to use them at school, freed of the actual OS the GUI is very nice and usable
[11:35] <kapputu> ok so what was the bug with netfilter ?
[11:35] <altan> as in the window manager theme
[11:35] <kapputu> and how was it removed ?
[11:36] <topyli> altan: you mean xfce?
[11:36] <altan> topyli: yeah, the platinum theme
[11:36] <altan> the platinum theme is a port of the Mac OS 7/8/9 theme
[11:37] <topyli> altan: you are _so_ ready for enlightenment :)
[11:37] <topyli> altan: i mean the window manager of course =)
[11:37] <robertj> OS9's GUI is horrible
[11:37] <altan> I heard a lot about it, but my impression is that it's slightly dated?
[11:38] <altan> robertj, I didn't care for the rest, but the window manager theme I really like
[11:38] <topyli> robertj: it's duct tape to make things work somehow
[11:38] <AlohaWulf> OS9's GUI I found to be very productive
[11:38] <altan> the placement of the maximize/minimize etc buttons and the appearance
[11:38] <robertj> OS X.3 has a great GUI
[11:38] <AlohaWulf> OS9 itself is garbage
[11:38] <robertj> the side panel in finder is awesome
[11:38] <robertj> you can put links there and drag stuff onto the links
[11:38] <topyli> robertj: but unlike altan, i hate the mac osx theme
[11:39] <ogra> topyli: inst enlightenment a) waaay old or b) waporware ?
[11:39] <ogra> isnt
[11:39] <robertj> I don't care about the theme, the side panel is where it is at
[11:39] <altan> I still haven't tried OS X in real life yet, but the brushed silver looks a bit garish
[11:39] <topyli> ogra: both :)
[11:39] <robertj> drag stuff there and, well, it's there
[11:39] <robertj> drag an app there, and click it
[11:39] <altan> topyli, I don't like the OS X theme that much, but I bet you can make a very cool theme with it
[11:39] <kapputu> ogra: what's vaporware ?
[11:39] <robertj> drag a document there and you can drag stuff on it to organize your files
[11:39] <topyli> kapputu: E17
[11:39] <altan> with OS X's GUI system that is
[11:39] <altan> hardware accelerated
[11:39] <kapputu> E17 ??
[11:39] <robertj> about the only thing I miss is dragging folder to folder doesn't do anything
[11:39] <ogra> kapputu: software thats announced but never written
[11:39] <altan> kapputu, projects that will never be released but are takled about a lot
[11:39] <kapputu> ic
[11:40] <kapputu> any other examples ?
[11:40] <altan> like Duke Nukem Forever
[11:40] <robertj> a "Would you like to copy Your Home Directory to Network Storage?" dialog would be good
[11:40] <kapputu> Windows Object FileSystem ?
[11:40] <topyli> kapputu: windows longhorn :)
[11:40] <ogra> yay
[11:40] <kapputu> the one we don't speak of ?
[11:40] <topyli> that's the one
[11:41] <topyli> kapputu: the sad truth is, enlightenment 16 is old (but great!) and E17 has been a painful long time coming
[11:41] <kapputu> ic
[11:41] <kapputu> I think I have used it once, long back
[11:42] <kapputu> I also used afterstep for sometime
[11:42] <topyli> it's cool, i used it for years
[11:42] <topyli> e i mean
[11:42] <Matt|> I'd like to put in a massively powerful request for someone to build a XFree-4.4.0 or xorg package for ubuntu warty :)
[11:42] <Matt|> >_>
[11:42] <Matt|> <_<
[11:42] <nictuku> e17 is older than "duke nukem forever"
[11:42] <kapputu> Matt|:  shall we do it ?
[11:43] <topyli> nictuku: true
[11:43] <kapputu> duke nukem is a game ??
[11:43] <Matt|> kapputu, i am not capable. I believe that it would have to be a dev
[11:43] <georgia> e17 isnt out yet?
[11:43] <kapputu> Matt|: let's try
[11:43] <topyli> Matt|: i think x.org will be in hoary anyway, so we can relax
[11:43] <ogra> Matt|: 10 devs !
[11:43] <kapputu> is x.org being used anywhere else ?
[11:43] <topyli> georgia: e17 is alpha
[11:43] <Matt|> topyli, i can't wait until hoary
[11:43] <georgia> jeez, its been ages since i used nelightenment, and it was "nearly ready" when i last used it
[11:43] <dredg> i dunno... doom3 has been released, debian sarge is nearing release all we need now is e17 and duke nukem forever
[11:43] <Matt|> kapputu, yes, all other distros except debian
[11:44] <dredg> then the apocolaypse can truly begin
[11:44] <Matt|> :)
[11:44] <topyli> Matt|: i'm tracking hoary, but x.org isn't there yet
[11:44] <Matt|> topyli, yeah i noticed that
[11:44] <Matt|> topyli, even XFree-3.4.0 would help me out
[11:44] <topyli> dredg: yes!
[11:44] <topyli> Matt|: xfree 3.4 will not be on much of anything
[11:44] <[Phaedrus] > debian is usually slow in everything
[11:44] <Matt|> topyli, no
[11:45] <Matt|> hmm
[11:45] <topyli> [Phaedrus] : track unstable and quit whining :)
[11:45] <kapputu> ubuntu uses xfree86 ?
[11:45] <[Phaedrus] > i didnt whine... just stating a fact
[11:45] <Matt|> kapputu, duh
[11:45] <topyli> Matt|: "no" what?
[11:45] <[Phaedrus] > yes kapputu
[11:45] <Matt|> topyli, i was agreeing with your statement
[11:45] <Matt|> "no it won't"
[11:46] <mdz> Matt|: xfree86 3.4.0?  Warty has xfree86 4.3.0+
[11:46] <topyli> Matt|: yes, everybody's fleeing the xfree boat
[11:46] <Matt|> mdz, sorry typo
[11:46] <HWolf> Does anyone here know what the command is to start the fglrx-control application?
[11:46] <Matt|> *4.4.0
[11:46] <topyli> mdz: a simple mistake
[11:46] <kapputu> hi mdz
[11:46] <mdz> Matt|: why would that help?
[11:47] <Matt|> maybe it would support 3d acceleration for my graphics
[11:47] <[Phaedrus] > I am not sure what the point in using X.org is. They say the Xcomposite extension is disabled by default cause it makes the system unstable
[11:47] <mdz> xfree86 in Hoary is very close to xfree86 4.4
[11:47] <odyzzeus> im getting kernel panic on my first boot after installation. my grub looks like this:
[11:47] <odyzzeus> title ubuntu
[11:47] <odyzzeus> 	rootnoverify (hd0,10)
[11:47] <odyzzeus> 	kernel /vmlinuz
[11:47] <odyzzeus> 	initrd /initrd.img
[11:47] <[Phaedrus] > i dont see any other significant reason to switch to X.org yet
[11:47] <topyli> Matt|: x.org is developing, xfree is pretty much what it is :(
[11:47] <mdz> [Phaedrus] : exactly
[11:47] <Matt|> topyli, i only know for sure that xorg i supporting my card in their latest release, i don't know about XFree
[11:48] <[Phaedrus] > What card do you have Matt|?
[11:48] <HWolf> [Pheadrus]  The piont is, that composite extention will not stay unstable. :-)
[11:48] <mirak> what is the configuration file for my hardware called....and where is it located???...i have to comment out a line to get my ati working....err....good
[11:48] <Matt|> [Phaedrus] , i have the beautiful, the sexy IGP 340M
[11:48] <[Phaedrus] > well, the point is, i wouldnt be using XFree for ever either
[11:48] <topyli> Matt|: the difference is not big at this point. but the more dynamic development model will take x.org further faster. or that's the popular belief
[11:48] <spacey`ki> xfree is somewhat of a deadend
[11:48] <[Phaedrus] > when it gets stable, i'll have all the reasons to switch:)
[11:48] <nomasteryoda> ah, the ubuntu drums
[11:48] <[Phaedrus] > it is...
[11:48] <HWolf> Also I believe x.org is working on a modular approach, aren't they? In which it'd be much easier to update parts of X without breaking the entire system.
[11:49] <nictuku> How can I help translating the installer? Is it an "upstream" work? I supposed the d-i translation to brazilian portuguese was finished, but in warty there are some parts untranslated. I unsucessfuly tried to find that in the wiki and in the translators team.
[11:49] <nictuku> translators list, I mean
[11:49] <Matt|> does anyone know how soon xorg will appear in HOARY?
[11:49] <HrdwrBoB> Matt|: it will take some time
[11:49] <ns> i need name of the font used in "ubuntu" logo..anyone?
[11:49] <topyli> nictuku: you might as well help with the debian-installer
[11:49] <Matt|> HrdwrBoB, ball park figure?
[11:49] <[Phaedrus] > HWolf: make no mistake. I like the way the X.org guys are heading. It's just not the time yet to make a switch.. not until they sort it all out. I hear constant complaints of the system dragging in X.org
[11:50] <HWolf> Matt| Count on it being as soon as possible, It'll need a lot of polishing.
[11:50] <Matt|> hmm
[11:50] <Matt|> sounds like I'm gonna have to stick to tetris
[11:50] <Matt|> no 3d for me
[11:50] <HrdwrBoB> no 3d?
[11:50] <spacey`ki> haha:)
[11:50] <Matt|> at least supertux works :)
[11:50] <ogra> yay
[11:50] <altan> does anyone use zinf?
[11:50] <mirak> what is the configuration file for my hardware called....and where is it located???...i have to comment out a line to get my ati working....err....good
[11:50] <topyli> HWolf: well, x.org is new
[11:50] <HWolf> [Pheadrus]  I believe I just switched to the fglrx ATI drivers, and they appear to be slower then the dri ones, so indeed, this XFree is good stuff.
[11:50] <Matt|> HrdwrBoB, nope :(
[11:50] <spacey`ki> do nvidia drivers work on X.org anyway btw?
[11:50] <HrdwrBoB> Matt|: what hardware?
[11:51] <[Phaedrus] > that's what i hear HWolf
[11:51] <topyli> HWolf: i wouldn't bet my business on it (if i had one)
[11:51] <nictuku> topyli, but should I work with the upstream debian-installer or what? There is at least a dialog that is ubuntu-specific.
[11:51] <mdz> Matt|: you tried Warty and it didn't support your card?
[11:51] <HrdwrBoB> IGP 340M
[11:51] <[Phaedrus] > they should spacey`ki
[11:51] <Matt|> mirak, if you are looking for your graphics card, it is in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[11:51] <HrdwrBoB> what on earth is that
[11:51] <HWolf> topyli, my piont exactly. It'd be good to get it in as fast as possible, so you can test it for as long as possible.
[11:51] <Matt|> mdz, HrdwrBoB, that's right
[11:51] <mirak> matt|, thnx :)_
[11:51] <HWolf> How exactly do I check which mode my system is using?
[11:51] <mdz> Matt|: that's an ATI card.  try fglrx
[11:51] <Matt|> mdz, i have
[11:51] <topyli> nictuku: hmmm... ubuntu work goes to debian also of course. i don't know who you should contact at the ubuntu team to talk about this
[11:52] <kapputu> topyli: how about mdz ?
[11:52] <[Phaedrus] > apparently SGi has a driver called snap graphics which runs on top of X, if I read it correct
[11:52] <Matt|> :(
[11:52] <nictuku> topyli, i believe it should talk to daf
[11:53] <HWolf> phaedrus, don't you think XFree is a troublesome beast, so going to something new, which can at worst be XFree, and at best be better, would be a good thing?
[11:53] <topyli> nictuku: well, mdz is around, daf is not :)
[11:53] <mdz> Matt|: X.org is likely to be a couple of weeks more; you can get by with tetris until then I think :-)
[11:53] <Matt|> mdz, yup.
[11:53] <Matt|> mdz, it will do me good
[11:54] <Matt|> mdz, what are the chances of upgrading to hoary breaking my system?
[11:54] <kapputu> Matt|: you using Hoarty ?
[11:54] <Matt|> kapputu, nope
[11:54] <topyli> ah, wisdom on the gnome mailing lists: NEVER ASSUME YOU ARE THE BEST.
[11:54] <HWolf> Is there any plan to get a graphical boot-up process in hoary? I don't want to see those errors. :-)
[11:54] <kapputu> I just wanted to ask that question
[11:54] <mdz> Matt|: it's in fairly good shape at the moment
[11:54] <Matt|> HWolf, i like the current install
[11:55] <mirak> matt|, paste that path to me 1 more time plz?
[11:55] <mdz> Matt|: X.org will be some of the first major breakage
[11:55] <[Phaedrus] > HWolf: www.bootsplash.org
[11:55] <Matt|> /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[11:55] <mirak> matt| thnx
[11:55] <Matt|> mdz, uhoh
[11:55] <Matt|> mdz, perhaps I'll have to stick to tetris for a while longer
[11:55] <HWolf> [Phaedrus] : Thanks.
[11:55] <[Phaedrus] > uw
[11:56] <Matt|> mdz, i'm not a very experienced linux user
[11:56] <Matt|> :)
[11:56] <ogra> Matt|: hey, you got us :)
[11:56] <xenonite> cu
[11:56] <kapputu> Matt|: Trust Ogra to bail you out
[11:56] <kapputu> bye xenonite
[11:56] <dredg> i build xorg from scratch and installed it here. it worked pretty seamlessly
[11:56] <Matt|> you will help me out with hoary issues?
[11:56] <Matt|> awwwwwwww
[11:57] <Matt|> dredg, now that is talking
[11:57] <xenonite> :)
[11:57] <Matt|> dredg, tell me all
[11:57] <dredg> im not using it now, i switched back to the packages cos rdesktop was acting a bit weird :)
[11:57] <[Phaedrus] > really dredg
[11:57] <[Phaedrus] > with all the extensions enabled?
[11:57] <ogra> Matt|: if i got it myself to verify, yes.... but i'll wait till y.org is likely working
[11:57] <mirak> linuxjones, you around??
[11:57] <ogra> x
[11:57] <Matt|> ogra, yeah guess so
[11:57] <dredg> yeah, including xcomposite
[11:58] <[Phaedrus] > acting a bit weird?
[11:58] <topyli> ogra: heh
[11:58] <HWolf> I do not envy the guys that have to make sure XFree -> X.org goes smoothly. :-S
[11:58] <[Phaedrus] > you have to explain on that
[11:58] <dredg> translucency and shadows look pretty. pure eyecandy :) complete waste of resources but meh
[11:58] <Matt|> dredg, i tried to just compile the dri modules but it failed :(
[11:58] <ogra> topyli: you laugh about the y ?
[11:58] <topyli> ogra: lets for x.org and make y
[11:58] <ogra> *g*
[11:58] <dredg> [Phaedrus] : screen wouldnt redraw right
[11:58] <topyli> s/for/fork
[11:58] <[Phaedrus] > if we can be patient for just a coupel of weeks, X.org should be much safer
[11:58] <mirak> matt|, thnx ever so much.......fixed my problem....
[11:58] <ogra> topyli: better berlin ;)
[11:58] <Matt|> Mirak pleasure
[11:58] <HWolf> [Pheadrus] : That site is exactly what I mean, but I'm not really looking forward to recompiling a kernel, so I'd love that in the default kernel. :-)
[11:59] <[Phaedrus] > rather than spending half my lifetime compiling that beast and compiling it again, it is just easier to wait
[11:59] <topyli> ogra: YES! we have a decision!
[11:59] <[Phaedrus] > HWolf: just do it before you go to sleep..
[11:59] <dredg> this was a pure experiment btw
[11:59] <[Phaedrus] > what machine do you have?
[11:59] <spacey`ki> topyli, i think there is a project called y already which is a "replacement" for X.
[11:59] <Matt|> yeah i heard that too
[11:59] <nine99> hi, where i can find a list of all the packages available with ubuntu ?
[11:59] <topyli> spacey`ki: i know berlin, but haven't heard about y
[11:59] <spacey`ki> however you probably want to stick with x;0
[11:59] <dredg> whats so good about Y?
[11:59] <mirak> nine99, synaptic??