[06:48] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:45] <andrew__> a
[09:46] <andrew__> hello
[09:47] <andrew__> hello?
[09:47] <andrew__> is someone here?
[09:47] <arraybolt3[m]> andrew__ Hello!
[09:47] <andrew__> hello
[09:47] <arraybolt3[m]> What can we help you with?
[09:47] <andrew__> ummm
[09:47] <andrew__> this app came with kde
[09:48] <andrew__> plasma
[09:48] <andrew__> i think
[09:48] <arraybolt3[m]> KDE Plasma?
[09:48] <arraybolt3[m]> Are you wondering what it is, or is something going wrong with it?
[09:48] <andrew__> i tried to install kde in cutefishos
[09:48] <andrew__> im curious what this app is for
[09:49] <arraybolt3[m]> Well, KDE Plasma is your desktop environment. It's what gives you a desktop to click around on, so it's pretty important if you want a KDE desktop.
[09:50] <arraybolt3[m]> However, cutefishos is not supported in this channel. However, you can look for official support channels for your OS (potentially another IRC channel). Also, you can join #kde, where they'll be happy to help you regardless of OS IIRC.
[09:50] <arraybolt3[m]> (Technically, Plasma is a shell. It's the main user environment that you interact with, similar to gnome-shell with the GNOME Desktop Environment.)
[09:52] <arraybolt3[m]> As a question, since CuteFishOS uses Ubuntu as a base, why do you need to use it if you want KDE? You can install Kubuntu instead, and then have full support from the #kubuntu and #ubuntu support channels, which are generally active (especially #ubuntu)
[09:53] <arraybolt3[m]> (Also, Kubuntu comes with KDE preinstalled.)
[09:54] <WheatleyTheMoron> a
[09:54] <arraybolt3[m]> WheatleyTheMoron: If you're testing your IRC client, I am able to see your "a". Hello, and how are you doing?
[09:54] <WheatleyTheMoron> hello
[09:54] <WheatleyTheMoron> im andrew
[09:54] <WheatleyTheMoron> i changed my name
[09:54] <WheatleyTheMoron> due to some error
[09:55] <WheatleyTheMoron> it was like
[09:55] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah. Yeah, I saw the thing glitched.
[09:55] <WheatleyTheMoron> oh
[09:55] <WheatleyTheMoron> kde is a desktop right?
[09:55] <arraybolt3[m]> KDE is a desktop environment. There's a subtil difference between a desktop and a desktop environment.
[09:56] <WheatleyTheMoron> oh
[09:56] <arraybolt3[m]> The desktop (or technically "shell") is the thing you click around in. It gives you the Application Menu, the task manager, your wallpaper and whatnot. The shell for KDE is Plasma.
[09:57] <WheatleyTheMoron> oh
[09:57] <arraybolt3[m]> KDE is the Plasma desktop, the KWin window manager (which is another component of the Linux system), and KDE applications.
[09:57] <arraybolt3[m]> (There's a bit more than that, but that's a good overview.)
[09:57] <arraybolt3[m]> Out of curiosity, do you need to use CutefishOS? CutefishOS isn't officially supported by this channel, but Kubuntu is, and it comes with a full KDE desktop preinstalled.
[09:58] <WheatleyTheMoron> can i install kubuntu on an external ssd?
[09:58] <arraybolt3[m]> Yep. You just select the external SSD when you do the installation.
[09:58] <WheatleyTheMoron> oh
[09:58] <arraybolt3[m]> When you get to the bit about partitions and disks, you should be able to simply select your external SSD from a drop down menu.
[09:59] <WheatleyTheMoron> ok
[10:01] <WheatleyTheMoron> is kubuntu like
[10:01] <WheatleyTheMoron> kde and ubuntu
[10:01] <WheatleyTheMoron> into one thing
[10:01] <WheatleyTheMoron> ?
[10:01] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah. It's Ubuntu, but fully KDE-ified.
[10:01] <WheatleyTheMoron> oh
[10:01] <WheatleyTheMoron> does it still use apt?
[10:01] <arraybolt3[m]> Yep.
[10:01] <WheatleyTheMoron> ok
[10:02] <WheatleyTheMoron> im gonna try installing kubuntu
[10:02] <WheatleyTheMoron> but my microsoft edge tab select is blocked by the thing on top
[10:02] <arraybolt3[m]> Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Lubuntu, Ubuntu Studio, etc., are all the same OS under the hood, but they all have a different desktop environment. Kubuntu uses KDE, while Ubuntu uses GNOME. So if you know how to use Ubuntu (or any flavour thereof), you will easily figure out your way around any other one.
[10:02] <WheatleyTheMoron> whats ubuntu studio
[10:03] <arraybolt3[m]> Oy, that sounds annoying. Do you need a direct download link?
[10:03] <WheatleyTheMoron> no
[10:03] <WheatleyTheMoron> im curious
[10:03] <WheatleyTheMoron> also the server is fast
[10:03] <WheatleyTheMoron> 4.3 mb
[10:04] <arraybolt3[m]> (Ubuntu Studio is essentially Kubuntu, but modded for content creation. It has tons of audio software, video software, etc., preinstalled, and has some mods under the hood to make it better for those uses.)
[10:04] <WheatleyTheMoron> o
[10:05] <WheatleyTheMoron> is lubuntu ubuntu but lite?
[10:05] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah.
[10:05] <WheatleyTheMoron> i get it
[10:05] <WheatleyTheMoron> ive reached 5.0 mb in my download
[10:06] <WheatleyTheMoron> test internet connection
[10:06] <WheatleyTheMoron> ok
[10:06] <WheatleyTheMoron> it still works
[10:07] <arraybolt3[m]> Each Ubuntu "variant" is called a flavour. All the ubuntu flavours are officially supported by the #ubuntu channel and also by the channel for that flavour (so Kubuntu is supported in both #ubuntu and #kubuntu). They are officially recognized as being Ubuntu.
[10:07] <WheatleyTheMoron> oh
[10:08] <arraybolt3[m]> Hey, how are you downloading Kubuntu? Through your browser, or over BitTorrent?
[10:08] <WheatleyTheMoron> browser
[10:08] <arraybolt3[m]> OK. And are you using Windows at the moment?
[10:08] <WheatleyTheMoron> no
[10:08] <WheatleyTheMoron> im using cutefishos
 Torrent was quite fast with 1Gbps connection :p
[10:08] <WheatleyTheMoron> im trying to learn linux
 I'm re-learning it :) I used different Linux distros from about 2004 to 2010, and now started again
 Torrent was quite fast with a 1Gbps connection :p
[10:09] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah. OK. Make sure you get the SHA256 checksum for your Kubuntu ISO so you can check the ISO file and ensure that it's been downloaded properly. Sometimes the Internet can totally mangle your download in transit.
[10:09] <WheatleyTheMoron> how do i check the checksum?
[10:10] <arraybolt3[m]> You should be able to pop open a terminal with Ctrl+Alt+T, then do "cd ~/Downloads", followed by "sha256sum ./<ISO file name here>", replacing the placeholder accordingly.
[10:10] <WheatleyTheMoron> oh
[10:10] <WheatleyTheMoron> ok
[10:10] <WheatleyTheMoron> 33 secs left
[10:11] <arraybolt3[m]> This will spit out a very weird-looking ID code, you can then compare it with the SHA256 hash from the website.
[10:12] <arraybolt3[m]> If the code from sha256sum and the code from the website match perfectly, your ISO is good. Otherwise, something went wrong somewhere along the way and you'll need to download the ISO again.
[10:12] <WheatleyTheMoron> downloads done
[10:12] <WheatleyTheMoron> imma check sha256 checksum
[10:12] <WheatleyTheMoron> thing
[10:13] <arraybolt3[m]> Hey, another thing I'd like to ask is, how old is your computer?
[10:14] <arraybolt3[m]> If it's new enough (most computers today are), there's a trick that I think you will really like for learning Linux. Virtual machines.
[10:15] <WheatleyTheMoron> i made it this year
[10:15] <WheatleyTheMoron> custom bulit
[10:15] <arraybolt3[m]> Well that's almost certainly new enough.
[10:15] <arraybolt3[m]> Congrats!
[10:16] <arraybolt3[m]> I almost did that, but instead decided to mangle an old OEM desktop to get it to take upgrades it wasn't designed to take. Worked pretty well.
[10:16] <WheatleyTheMoron> im trying to switch linux distros
[10:16] <WheatleyTheMoron> as my wifi drivers
[10:16] <WheatleyTheMoron> isnt working
[10:16] <WheatleyTheMoron> im using usb tethering with my phone right now
[10:16] <arraybolt3[m]> Hmm. What WiFi card did your motherboard come with? (Or what WiFi card did you install?)
[10:17] <WheatleyTheMoron> intel wifi 3168
[10:17] <WheatleyTheMoron> it came with my motherboard
[10:17] <WheatleyTheMoron> because i only had one pcie slot
[10:17] <WheatleyTheMoron> itx
[10:19] <andrew__> umm
[10:19] <andrew__> my internet cutted out
[10:19] <arraybolt3[m]> It looks likely that Ubuntu will just work with your WiFi card out of the box, though I'm not entirely sure about that. When you boot from the live USB, you'll know soon enough, and if it's gone wrong, we can fix it.
[10:20] <arraybolt3[m]> Eh, it happens.
[10:20] <andrew__> also the store and the update software in this os
[10:20] <andrew__> is broken
[10:20] <andrew__> it cant connect to packages,cutefishos.com
[10:20] <arraybolt3[m]> In Kubuntu, or CutefishOS?
[10:20] <andrew__> cutefish
[10:20] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah. I've not had problems installing software in Kubuntu through apt.
[10:21] <andrew__> the wifi problem happened after i expanded the free space for cutefishos
[10:21] <andrew__> ok
[10:21] <andrew__> im gonna go partitioning
[10:22] <arraybolt3[m]> OK. Be careful, don't select the wrong drive!
[10:26] <andrew__> how do i resize an exfat partition
[10:27] <arraybolt3[m]> andrew__: Hold one one moment...
[10:27] <andrew__> im using gparted
[10:28] <arraybolt3[m]> andrew__: Sadly, it appears that exFAT can't be resized with Ubuntu
[10:28] <arraybolt3[m]> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1375545/cant-resize-my-exfat-partition
[10:29] <andrew__> can third-party software resize it?
[10:30] <arraybolt3[m]> Maybe, but it looks dangerous.
[10:30] <andrew__> o
[10:34] <andrew__> ventoy is installed on my external ssd
[10:37] <arraybolt3[m]> Oy.
[10:37] <arraybolt3[m]> Man, not sure what to do there. I assume you have a nice collection of Linux ISO files that you don't want to lose, just like I do?
[10:46] <andrew__> looks like i have to switch to windows for this
[10:47] <andrew__> ill be back
[10:47] <arraybolt3[m]> andrew__: Some people had success using DiskGenius to resize exFAT. Even Windows can't resize exFAT.
[10:47] <andrew__> ill try aomei first
[10:47] <andrew__> if that doesnt work
[10:47] <andrew__> im gonna try using diskgenius
 Why does K22.04 randomly freezes shows up a blank screen and logout of desktop?
 It happened for many times in a day and so frustrating
 maybe because of the new systemd OOM
 it's quick on the trigger
 Fixes any?
 you could try disabling it
 systemctl disable --now systemd-oomd
 systemctl mask systemd-oomd
 don't know when it will be fixed, I read somewhere that they are looking into it
[11:43] <tomreyn> or you could, first of all, inspect your logs and try to understand whether this is actually what's happening, or something else entirely.
[11:44] <tomreyn> journalctl -eb    would show logs in a terminal (you can scroll up until the latest reboot)
 Will it break my system if I disable systemctl?
[12:11] <andrew__> hello
[12:12] <arraybolt3[m]> andrew__: Hello!
[12:12] <andrew__> im back
[12:12] <andrew__> im in kubuntu
[12:12] <arraybolt3[m]> Congrats! WiFi?
[12:12] <andrew__> yes
[12:12] <arraybolt3[m]> 🎉
[12:14] <andrew__> wait
[12:15] <andrew__> im gonna connect the external ssd to a usb 3.0 port
[12:15] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah?
[12:15] <arraybolt3[m]> andrew__ Careful, if you're booted from the SSD, and you unplug it...
[12:16] <arraybolt3[m]> Crud. Bet his Kubuntu just crashed when he did that.
[12:16] <lordievader> munawar707: You want to follow tomreyn's advice. Figure out why things are freezing, is it really due to your system going out of memory, or is some application crashing... or something else.
[12:17] <andrew__> ok
[12:17] <andrew__> thats faster
 With provided commands you'll be disabling the systemd-oomd.
 This is the article I was talking about https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-systemd-oomd-Headaches (re @munawar707: Will it break my system if I disable systemctl?)
[12:18] <andrew__> huh?
[12:18] <arraybolt3[m]> andrew__ Nice!
[12:18] <arraybolt3[m]> andrew__ There's another support conversation going on around us.
[12:18] <arraybolt3[m]> That bit about systemd-oomd was directed toward someone else.
 and  tomreyn has a point.  You should first go through the logs but this seems that is related too systemdoom
[12:19] <andrew__> also i noticed my resolution is set to my monitor's max resolution
[12:19] <andrew__> i think the installer installed the amd drivers
[12:19] <andrew__> i had to reinstall the driver in my cutefishos installation
[12:19] <arraybolt3[m]> andrew__: That's good, right? Or are you using a HiDPI screen and now everything's the size of a pin head?
[12:20] <andrew__> my monitor is a AOC 27G4
[12:20] <andrew__> i think
[12:20] <andrew__> 1920x1080
[12:21] <andrew__> hello
[12:21] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:21] <arraybolt3[m]> Nice.
[12:22] <arraybolt3[m]> andrew__: Did you check the box for proprietary drivers during installation? If so, then you probably did get the AMD drivers.
[12:23] <lordievader> andrew__: What is the output of `xrandr` and `sudo lspci -k`?
[12:23] <lordievader> !paste
[12:24] <andrew__> i did check the proprietary drivers
[12:33] <andrew__> test
[12:33] <arraybolt3[m]> I see ya!
[12:34] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah, if you've got the proprietary drivers, you're probably good. To be extra sure, pop open a terminal and do "sudo software-properties-kde", then click the Drivers tab and make sure the proprietary drivers for your GPU are selected.
[12:34] <arraybolt3[m]> (Sorry for my delayed reply, it took me this long to figure out how to verify the GPU drivers... 😐)
[12:35] <lordievader> `lscpi -k` tells you which driver is loaded for which pci card 😉
[12:35] <andrew__> o
[12:36] <arraybolt3[m]> Olivier: Didn't know that, wasn't sure if your commands were designed for driver checking or not! Thanks!
[12:37] <lordievader> You could also go the `lsmod` route, but that requires more experience (and knowledge of the running system).
[12:37] <arraybolt3[m]> Olivier: software-properties-kde will give you a nice GUI with radio buttons and all that jazz.
[12:38] <lordievader> arraybolt3: Obviously I'm a cli kind of guy 😉
[12:38] <arraybolt3[m]> Way nicer for people who don't spend their life in the terminal. (Though I spend a lot of my life in the terminal, so I'll keep your command in my back pocket.)
[12:39] <arraybolt3[m]> (Like, I usually have at least one terminal open, sometimes I end up with as many as five (?!))
[12:40] <BluesKaj> yakuake ftw :-)
[12:41] <arraybolt3[m]> Love Yakuake.
[12:41] <lordievader> arraybolt3: You want to look into tmux. I typically have one terminal (konsole) open, with one tmux tab per host.
[12:42] <arraybolt3[m]> Tried tmux, the think is I like CLI, and I like intuitive TUI, but crazy TUI (ala tmux) is not my gig. You should've seen me fighting with WeeChat.
[12:42] <arraybolt3[m]> s/think/thing
[12:43] <andrew__> a
[12:44] <andrew__> im tinkering with the taskbar (or application launcher)
[12:44] <andrew__> how do i make it small
[12:46] <andrew__> help
[12:46] <andrew__> how do i apply
[12:46] <andrew__> using keyboard
[12:47] <andrew__> oh
[12:47] <andrew__> i figured it out
[12:53] <andrew__> hello?
[12:55] <lordievader> Whats up?
[13:04] <andrew__> is there a way to make the taskbar smaller?
[13:05] <arraybolt3[m]> andrew__ Right click on the taskbar, and click "Enter edit mode". You should be able to shrink the taskbar from there.
[13:05] <arraybolt3[m]> There will be a number with + and - buttons on either size of it, the - button should shrink your taskbar.
[13:06] <andrew__> oh
[13:06] <andrew__> i found it
[13:07] <andrew__> ok
[13:07] <andrew__> im gonna go to sleep
[13:07] <andrew__> bye
 Thanks (re @Djordje: With provided commands you'll be disabling the systemd-oomd.
 This is the article I was talking about https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-systemd-oomd-Headaches)
 When Ubuntu 22.04.1 coming out?
[13:53] <arraybolt3[m]> Probably around 3 months after the initial release of 22.04, I believe.
[13:53] <arraybolt3[m]> So we're around a month away, if I'm understanding correctly.
 By July hopefully?
[13:54] <arraybolt3[m]> I think so. You can force an upgrade early, if you want, if that's what you're hoping for, but waiting for the first point release is probably a good idea.
 No I’d wait for final public release (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3[m]> I think so. You can force an upgrade early, if you want, if that's what you're hoping for, but waiting for the first point release is probably a good idea.)
 Also I’m pretty mesmerized how well KDE manages fractional scaling on HD displays than Gnome/XFCE could’ve done in next million years
[13:58] <tomreyn> munawar707: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/jammy-jellyfish-release-schedule/23906
 Thanks
 Is it working already? (re @munawar707: Also I’m pretty mesmerized how well KDE manages fractional scaling on HD displays than Gnome/XFCE could’ve done in next million years)
 Yeah very well
 No testing whatsoever
 No tearing whatsoever
 Does kubuntu still needs a minimum of 4gig ram? Every blog I read has mentioned this 😐
 2GB minimum and 4GB is for comfortable usage
 Almost every distribution states so
[16:12] <oerheks> yes, minimum specs are upgraded to 4 gb. for all versions
[16:12] <oerheks> try to open a few firefox tabs with 2 gb.. grinn
[16:16] <enigma9o7[m]> August 4th @munawar707
[16:16] <enigma9o7[m]> Source: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/jammy-jellyfish-release-schedule/23906
 Try to open Chrome tabs with 2 gb 🤣🤣🤣 (re @IrcsomeBot: <oerheks> try to open a few firefox tabs with 2 gb.. grinn)
[17:03] <eduardp>  Hi, may I ask a question?
[17:03] <eduardp> y name is Eduard, and I normally do not try to be on the lastest and greatest version of kde, but today I found 5.25 was going to be released and I am eager to test it.
[17:04] <eduardp>  I use kubuntu 22.04. Do you know if the kde 5.25 version is it going to be in backports today?
[17:04] <eduardp> Should I use another ppa (without having to go to 22.10 devel?
[17:05] <RikMills> eduardp: it will come in backports ppa fairly soon
[17:05] <oerheks> eduardp, in short; no
[17:05] <oerheks> ah RikMills explains that it can be in backports, but today?
[17:05] <eduardp> Thank you all!
[17:07] <RikMills> eduardp: I am waiting a little while to see if any critical issues come in from people who have upgraded elsewhere
[17:07] <eduardp> Hi Rik I saw you made the packets for 22.10 devel, should I keep refreshing backports and eventually I'll get it today or I better wait until tomorrow or the end of the week?
[17:08] <eduardp> Nor that I mind keep refreshing... It kind of makes me remember my old times!!!
[17:08] <RikMills> I am tempted to push it later on this evening, but it could be tommorow
[17:09] <eduardp> Ok, thank you very much. And thank you for your great job!!!
[17:11] <RikMills> np
 Hello everyone) I need your advice: earlier I wrote a post about my problem with starting the system, an inscription appeared on the monitor screen - Starting Hostname Service... {OK} Finished Terminale Plymouth Boot Screen. The method with pastebin I was there and did not understand what I needed to do. But I still managed to start the system, so I wanted to ask you - did I do everything right to make the system work ?? What I did exactly:
[17:56] <tomreyn> Numerion: if there was anything behind "What i did exactly:", then it was cur off for us on IRC due to maximum line length.
[18:00] <tomreyn> Numerion: regarding pastebin services, here's the example I had given yesterday (?): http://paste.debian.net/plain/1244110
 Are you not seeing all the text? (re @IrcsomeBot: <tomreyn> Numerion: if there was anything behind "What i did exactly:", then it was cur off for us on IRC due to maximum line length.)
[18:44] <tomreyn> IrcsomeBot: i meant to write "cut off", not "cur off", that's right. But I can only guess that is what happened.
 Sorry for my repetition of the message, but as I understand it, my main message was not completely reflected in you (re @IrcsomeBot: <tomreyn> IrcsomeBot: i meant to write "cut off", not "cur off", that's right. But I can only guess that is what happened.)
 What I did exactly: during system boot, I selected advance options, then I selected recovery mode from the list and the kernel from the list <IP_ADDRESS> - the system started, then a standard update via the console, installing Nvidia drivers - rebooting the system. As a result, the system works. Did I do everything right to solve my problem with Finished Terminale Plymouth Boot Screen?? (re @IrcsomeBot: <tomreyn> IrcsomeBot: i meant to write "c
 Sorry for the repetitions
[19:07] <tomreyn> Numerion: no worries. indeed, this text did not make it to IRC previously - it's still better to use a pastebin-like service for longer texts.
[19:08] <tomreyn> i do not know what "problem with Finished Terminale Plymouth Boot Screen" is, so i would not be able to guess whether installing the pending nvidia proprietary driver update (automatically) would have fixed that. but you will probably know? is the issue gone?
[21:10] <user|RobotechTra> hi,
[21:10] <user|RobotechTra> anyone here to help me?
[21:11] <oerheks> ask your real question, wait and see?


[13:05] <RikMills> some ssl issue with launchpad?
[13:06] <RikMills> getting this error: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kC3hKJx3Hy/
[13:07] <RikMills> was working fine a short while ago
[13:07] <cjwatson> RikMills: Yep, we just cut over to new frontends and one of them has a slight IPv6 config error.  It's being worked on
[13:07] <RikMills> cjwatson: ok, no problem then. thanks
[13:07] <cjwatson> RikMills: Try now?
[13:07] <RikMills> error still
[13:08] <cjwatson> RikMills: Hm, paste?
[13:08] <RikMills> cjwatson: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Qkkny3JHfG/
[13:13] <cjwatson> RikMills: and again?
[13:14] <RikMills> still the same
[13:17] <cjwatson> RikMills: what sort of network environment is this running in?
[13:19] <RikMills> cjwatson: desktop home connection
[13:19] <cjwatson> RikMills: and what Ubuntu release?
[13:20] <RikMills> bionic
[13:20] <RikMills> maybe too old?
[13:21] <cjwatson> Just gathering data at the moment.  We certainly didn't intend to desupport connections from bionic!
[13:24] <cjwatson> `from launchpadlib.launchpad import Launchpad; Launchpad.login_anonymously("test", "production", version="devel")` works for me on bionic
[13:25] <cjwatson> Oh, but not from Python 3
[13:36] <cjwatson> RikMills: May be fixed now, tweaked TLS config
[13:39] <RikMills> trying
[13:40] <RikMills> cjwatson: working now. thanks very much! :D
[13:43] <cjwatson> Sorry, took a little while to narrow that down enough to find the problem
[13:45] <RikMills> np. that script is ancient now, so it is even a minor miracle it still works ;)


[09:39] <KGB-0> gnome-remote-desktop signed tags 318eee8 Jeremy Bicha upstream/43.1 * Upstream version 43.1 * https://deb.li/fNyj
[13:05] <seb128> would anyone feel like doing the SRU verification for bug #1984147?
[13:05] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Bug 1984147 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu Jammy) "Monitor switcher popup (Super-P) is not displayed on desktop with joined display on Wayland" [Medium, Fix Committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1984147
[13:06] <seb128> sorry bug #1993809
[13:06] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Bug 1993809 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu Jammy) "Update gnome-shell to 42.5" [Medium, Fix Committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1993809
[13:55] <nteodosio> Sure, I'll take it, seb128.
[13:56] <seb128> nteodosio, thanks!
[13:56] <nteodosio> You're welcome
[14:27] <seb128> nteodosio, could also do the verification for 1988625  ?
[14:28] <seb128> oh, I guess not since that requires an external monitor
[14:28] <nteodosio> Ah, OK
[14:28] <seb128> anyone who currently has access to the hardware needed for ^ to do the verification?
[15:00] <nteodosio> jbicha, can you clarify what "Use one of the Extensions apps to enable all the extensions." means in test case 2 from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/TestPlans/GNOMEShell?
[15:36] <nteodosio> I had to install gnome-shell-extension-manager. Can I add that to the test case?
[15:41] <seb128> nteodosio, yes
[20:13] <bittin> got my other Ubuntu MATE shirt today
[20:41] <mybalzitch> why does installing the amdgpu driver break dri/drm for firefox, possibly other apps on 22.04.01
[20:42] <mybalzitch> on a radeon 6950xt
[20:46] <mybalzitch> amdgpu: os_same_file_description couldn't determine if two DRM fds reference the same file description.


[12:59] <invito> Hello:) I am about to run LTSP in a classroom environment, but i would like to configure that they cannot log in with the same username on multiple computers


[05:30] <twb> Where's the wiki article that describes malone's email command syntax?  I can never remember, and my search fu is weak
[05:30] <twb> Ah, it's on help.launchpad.net; my problem was searching with site:wiki.ubuntu.com
[05:30] <twb> https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/EmailInterface
[05:31] <wgrant> Right, it's a Launchpad thing, not Ubuntu
[11:14] <teolemon> Hi
[11:14] <teolemon> I wondered whether there was anyone with the rights to increase the timeout limit for Search
[11:14] <czajkowski> hi
[11:15] <czajkowski> which search ?
[11:15] <teolemon> such as in this example
[11:15] <teolemon> https://translations.launchpad.net/ddtp-ubuntu/quantal/+pots/ddtp-ubuntu-universe/fr/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=debugging+symbols+for
[11:15] <teolemon> give it a bit more room to complete the query
[11:16] <czajkowski> wgrant: ^^
[11:16] <wgrant> When that page is slow, it's *really* slow. We can't sensibly increase it enough to make it succeed frequently.
[11:16] <wgrant> The page needs to be fixed.
[11:17] <teolemon> ok :-/
[11:17] <teolemon> even one out of 10 would save the day
[11:17] <teolemon> to be honest
[11:17] <wgrant> Sure, but we'd have to at least double or possibly triple the timeout
[11:17] <wgrant> Which is not hugely sensible
[11:18] <teolemon> fair enough
[11:18] <teolemon> i reckon being more specific
[11:18] <teolemon> increases my chances of having the query complete
[11:18] <wgrant> Mmm, potentially a little.
[11:18] <teolemon> are there any factors, time of the day that may be useful
[11:18] <wgrant> No
[11:19] <wgrant> It's just that the translation system wasn't really designed for the sort of scale that that template requires.
[11:21] <teolemon> In how many parts would we need to split the template to solve the issue ?
[11:22] <teolemon> to make search somehow work again
[11:22] <wgrant> That's not really much of a solution.
[11:22] <wgrant> And I don't know a number.
[14:42] <TeemuO> hi, we have problems with branching
[14:42] <TeemuO> $ bzr branch -v lp:~codership/codership-mysql/5.5-23 5.5-23-1
[14:42] <TeemuO> Connection Timeout: disconnecting client after 300.0 secondsimate 685479/685804
[14:42] <TeemuO> bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist.
[14:43] <TeemuO> branching freezes every time at about the same position and connection eventually times out
[14:44] <TeemuO> any ideas what could be the problem?
[16:15] <idnar> so I have a project that I previously maintained in Launchpad, but I've now handed maintainership over to someone else who is continuing development in Github
[16:15] <idnar> what's the correct way to point people away from Launchpad for the functions that are no longer being handled in Launchpad?
[16:16] <idnar> (I assume just deleting the project completely is not the thing to do)
[16:18] <czajkowski> either delete it
[16:18] <czajkowski> or just add a note on the lp project page
[16:20] <dobey> idnar: pyflakes?
[16:20] <idnar> dobey: no, sorry, dosage
[16:21] <dobey> ah


[09:19] <robert35> Hie, does anyone know a ubuntu-sdk Project wich match the structure described in http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2288198  ??
[11:57] <popey> robert35: put your libraries in lib/<arch_triple> and they will be found
[11:58] <popey> so ./lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf and ./lib/i386-linux-gnu and ./lib/x86_64-linux-gnu for armhf, i386 and amd64
[11:58] <popey> robert35: install Notes (reminders) on a device and you'll see this structure
[12:21] <robert35> poppey
[12:22] <robert35> i already try to install the shared lib via the qt-creator process (put install on the make command line entry), this leads to an error : impossible to create a dir
[12:22] <robert35> mkdir: cannot create directory '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/CG2ControlePlugin': Permission denied
[12:24] <robert35> and and i don't want to change these dir permitions (i don't know the impact on the system, also if there is a problem of permission on these dirs, it should be corrected)
[12:27] <popey> it shouldn't go in /usr/li
[12:27] <popey> but ./lib within your app dir
[12:28] <robert35> so i have to add a copy task on apps .qmlproject ?
[12:28] <robert35> That's i was thinking of, but i don't know how to modify this file
[12:36] <popey> we tend to use cmake for our projects, sorry
[12:36] <robert35> that's what i see more and more...
[12:36] <robert35> I don't
[12:36] <robert35> I don't know cmake at all
[12:36] <robert35> it's one more build tool to understand...
[12:37] <robert35> just one more guy who think he could invent the wheal again....
[12:37] <robert35> the existing tools where enough
[12:38] <robert35> thanks poppey, i'll give a look at Notes source code then
[12:38] <robert35> (cmake)
[12:39] <robert35> ;-)
[12:40] <popey> 🙂
[12:47] <robert35> poppey, i think it's a good base to study (Notes), lots of plugin/libs thanks
[13:04] <popey> np
[13:49] <ahayzen> popey, should this be updated with the new meeting times for music and weather? https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/community/core-apps/meetings/
[14:09] <popey> ahayzen: yeah, its on my todo
[14:10] <popey> ahayzen: now to-done
[14:17] <ahayzen> thanks popey \o/
[14:17] <popey> np
[14:17] <popey> i remembered it as I went to bed last night
[14:17] <popey> and grabbed my phone to put it in my to-do for monday 🙂
[14:18]  * popey removes it from monday's todo list
[14:18] <ahayzen> hah :-)
[14:18]  * popey hugs Notes app
[14:18]  * ahayzen wonders why his evernote account keeps disappear and he has to resign in
[14:18] <ahayzen> *disappearing
[14:20] <ahayzen> probably something todo with flip flopping between channels :-)
[14:24] <popey> if you re-install / update the app that happens too
[14:24] <popey> annoying, we have a bug for it.
[14:28] <ahayzen> ah damn
[15:33] <joehannes> hey guys ... I'm trying to start making a living on ubuntu apps ... I want to get started
[15:33] <joehannes> https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/html5/current/ --> the most promising link on the dev page, shows only Qt, not HTML5 stuff
[15:34] <joehannes> anyway, can anyone tell me if there's a common best practice on how to include nodejs/npm packages in ubuntu apps?
[15:37] <joehannes> I mean, is it even necessary to use the QT Creator as an editor? I'd muchly prefer atom and just use some ubuntu-sdk and command ... any ideas?
[17:50] <dale_> Is there somebody here who can tell me what policy I need to add to an app to make C++ time() and localtime() calls work?
[17:56] <dale_> Are there any appdevs here?
[17:56] <ahayzen> o/
[17:56] <dale_> My app dies a silent death when I call time(), do you know why?
[17:57] <ahayzen> is there anything in the syslog todo with denials ?
[17:58] <dale_> Nope, nothing at all is appearing in the syslog.
[17:59] <ahayzen> hmm weird, why do you need to use time() and localtime() anyway?
[18:00] <ahayzen> and the clock app is likely to be retrieving time info so maybe worth looking what they have done http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-clock-dev/ubuntu-clock-app/utopic-3.0/files/head:/backend/modules/
[18:00] <dale_> I'm writing a clock app, funnily enough.  If there is a `proper' way to read the time I'd be interested to know (this is my first little attempt at an app).
[18:00] <ahayzen> definitely have a look at the clock-app's code then ;-)
[18:00] <ahayzen> as that solves all the issues with timezones
[18:00] <dale_> Thanks for the link, I'll look right at that :-)
[23:49] <joehannes> hi guys, anybody there???
[23:49] <joehannes> I already asked this once today, but we had an electricity-outage, so I have been logged out
[23:50] <joehannes> basically, is there a way to run sh scripts in click-packabed-html5-apps?
[23:50] <joehannes> one way would be, for example, if one could use Node.js packages ... but the documentation doesn't speak thereof ...
[23:52] <joehannes> What I would even prefer, is, to write my app with electron/atom-shell and then wrap it into a click package - is this possible??? I want, of course, a way to allow certain privileges like run a shell script ...
[23:53] <joehannes> basically I'm trying to make a long term commitment to make a living from writing ubuntu apps, and am starting away with writing a simple unity-topbar-icon-app, that allows to disable the screensaver/dim ... for example when watching movies
[23:53] <joehannes> so I want to run a shell script to manipulate system settings
[23:53] <joehannes> please help
[23:57] <joehannes> ok, it looks like there is this option to import repos ... maybe I can just develop an electron app and import/wrap it with the qt Creator tool?
[23:58] <joehannes> btw, the html/js api of current on developer.ubuntu.com still links to the wrong C++/Qt Variation ... I guess that's since there possibly was no JS-API at that time, but as it is, it's very misleading


[06:20] <captine> happy womans day all.
[10:46] <inetpro> good mornings
[10:46] <inetpro> oops... I guess that would be afternoon already
[16:15] <qwebirc89084> hi! i need help! How do i search for anything on launchpad? seems like launchpad does not work like google? any assistance?
[16:29] <inetpro> hi qwebirc89084
[16:29] <inetpro> like what are you looking for?
[16:31] <inetpro> qwebirc89084: you can still use google to search soemthing on launchpad as well
[16:32] <inetpro> like https://www.google.com/search?q=something+site%3Alaunchpad.net


[08:44] <mlankhorst> can I get xxv-intel approved?
[08:45] <mlankhorst> it's in trusty-proposed, needs to move to -updates
[09:14] <infinity> mlankhorst: Done.
[09:14] <mlankhorst> thanks
[09:23] <Laney> please could someone promote for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fonts-cantarell/+bug/1387599 ?
[09:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1387599 in fonts-cantarell (Ubuntu) "[MIR] fonts-cantarell" [Undecided,Fix committed]
[14:12] <brainwash> please accept bug 1382977 into trusty-proposed
[14:12] <ubot2> bug 1382977 in thunar (Ubuntu Utopic) "[SRU] Thunar open default not respecting mimetype" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1382977
[14:17] <brainwash> ^ utopic-proposed
[17:49] <LocutusOfBorg1> can anybody please have a look at gdcm? I would like to finish that transition and move on other stuff ;) (if possible, of course)
[18:48] <rcj> stgraber, I'm going to verify distro-info-data on precise.  Would that get it out of proposed?  It's causing problems for vivid cloud image creation.
[18:49] <stgraber> rcj: how long as it been sitting in -proposed?
[18:58] <rcj> stgraber, for a week today
[19:03] <stgraber> rcj: released
[19:03] <rcj> stgraber, thank you
[22:24] <debfx> could creepy and gpxviewer be moved to vivid-proposed? they block migration of osm-gps-map. both have been removed from jessie and are apparently unmaintained.


[08:03] <alan_g> RAOF: hanging out today?
[08:03] <RAOF> alan_g: Just noticed the time!
[08:03] <alan_g> You must be having fun! ;)
[09:28] <alan_g> Hmm. An unexpected downside to epoch...
[09:28] <alan_g> 09:22:07 mir_1.0.0+fetch5145bzr4250.orig.tar.gz
[09:28] <alan_g> 09:22:07 + cd mir-1:1.0.0+fetch5145bzr4250
[09:28] <alan_g> 09:22:07 /tmp/hudson3553452967355580048.sh: line 24: cd: mir-1:1.0.0+fetch5145bzr4250: No such file or directory
[09:28] <alan_g> https://mir-jenkins.ubuntu.com/job/build-1-sourcepkg/release=xenial/5134/console
[09:30] <xnox> please don't use epochs =) they are weird in many ways.
[09:31] <xnox> plus 1.0.0 >> 0.27.0 and no epoch is required.
[09:31] <xnox> (at least from ubuntu perspective)
[09:31] <xnox> (no epochs, if you can that is)
[09:49] <alan_g> xnox: I want to merge miral into mir and that's at 1.4
[09:56] <alan_g> for now, the above problem just looks like a regex for extracting "UPSTREAM_VERSION" that doesn't know about epochs.
[09:57] <alan_g> Hm. No that's not it.
[09:58] <xnox> alan_g, dpkg-source, when unpacking things skips epoch (as that is "debian" prefix)
[10:00] <alan_g> xnox: and so it should.
[10:01] <xnox>  line 24: cd: mir-1:1.0.0+fetch5145bzr4250 -> looks like something is trying to change into a directory with an epoch; yet i don't think any standard tools would create such a dir.
[10:01] <xnox> anyway, not my code, i should go fix broken things instead =)
[10:02] <alan_g> xnox: that's why the directory doesn't exist. I just need to correct the cd command
[10:02] <alan_g> This is wrong: UPSTREAM_VERSION=`perl -n -e '/^Version:\s(.*)-[0-9]ubuntu.*$/ && print $1' ${DSC}`
[10:03] <alan_g> I just need to get the right number of escapes to work in jenkins
[10:03] <xnox> ooh, ok.
[10:04] <xnox> in general, in debian/rules, i use "include /usr/share/dpkg/default.mk" and use the DEB_UPSTREAM_EPOCH variable or some such, I guess having a makefile is too much here.
[10:04] <xnox> but that is equavalent to something liek: $ dpkg-parsechangelog -SVersion | sed -e 's/-[^-]*$$//'
[10:05] <xnox> hm, nope
[10:15] <alan_g> xnox: I can make this work. But if you have a better idea than an epoch, then please tell.
[10:15] <xnox> from what i can tell the canonical variables as created by /usr/share/dpkg/pkg-info.mk appear to be broken
[10:16] <xnox> and those parse debian/changelog, which is not extracted yet... (given that above tries to parse .dsc file)
[10:20] <alan_g> xnox: I can insert "([0-9]:)?" into the the above perl but (unsurprisingly) things just break a little later
[10:25] <xnox> $ cat openssh_7.5p1-8.dsc | sed -n 's|Version: [0-9]\?:\?\(.*\)-.*|\1|p'
[10:25] <xnox> is my best attempt, which will not work when upstream version has dashes in it (legal) or with double-digit epoch (also legal)
[10:26] <xnox> and it fails with non-epoch .dsc
[10:26] <xnox> sigh
[10:26] <xnox> $ echo openssh_7.5p1-8.dsc | cut -d_ -f2 | cut -d- -f1
[10:26] <xnox> =)))))
[10:27] <xnox> $ echo ${DSC} | cut -d_ -f2 | cut -d- -f1
[10:59] <alan_g> xnox: FWIW it seemed to be just one script that was epoch-unaware. in the end I fixed the uses that broke, and left the variables alone: e.g. cd "${SOURCE}-${UPSTREAM_VERSION#[0-9]:}" (etc)
[11:00] <xnox> =)
[11:00] <xnox> simples
[11:01]  * alan_g once again wishes the CI configuration were backed by version control.
[11:42] <xnox> =/
[11:43] <xnox> yeah, in our team we do use git repositories, that have jobs in yaml, and then jenkins jobs builder creates it, but i still think there are manual bootstrap jobs and/or things that are manually twiddled.
[11:48] <alan_g> xnox: you didn't suggest a less bad idea than epoch. Does that mean I'm doing something sane?
[11:50] <xnox> alan_g, less bad idea was to simply use 1.5 version number which is higher than miral&mir
[11:50] <xnox> without epochs.
[11:50] <xnox> epochs are evil =)
[11:50] <xnox> as you will never ever be able to drop an epoch, and it looks weird, and people get confused.
[11:51] <xnox> or e.g. 1.4.1
[11:51] <ogra_> if you want friendly epochs ... use snaps ;)
[11:52] <xnox> alan_g, and just because version number i 1.4.1 it is still perfectly fine to claim that mir api/abi is 1.0.Y
[11:52] <xnox> or not, as you wish.
[11:52] <alan_g> I suspect that going from 0.27 to 1.5 is no more popular.
[11:52] <xnox> alan_g, go from 0.27 to 28?
[11:52] <xnox> =)
[11:52] <alan_g> But I'll test that out.
[11:52] <xnox> yeah, it's all very physcologically driven.
[11:53] <alan_g> greyback: concerns addressed? https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/mir/move-miral-to-mir/+merge/329455
[11:53] <xnox>  but do expect people to refer to the new thing a <IP_ADDRESS>, because people do not notice the colon epoch 1:1.0.0
[11:53] <xnox>  but do expect people to refer to the new thing as <IP_ADDRESS>, because people do not notice the colon epoch 1:1.0.0


[00:00] <mhall119> on gcc no less
[19:35] <highvoltage> mhall119: natty is indeed very rough atm :)
[19:39] <mhall119> today's daily iso at least boots and installs
[19:39] <highvoltage> cool, stgraber just told me that aufs is now fixed
[19:42] <mhall119> yeah, it was fixed yesterday, but the kernel was panicing
[19:42] <mhall119> now everything but compiz works
[19:42] <mhall119> compiz fails because I'm running in vbox, but it doesn't fail over to metacity
[19:43] <mhall119> the open file handle error seems to be gone too
[19:43] <mhall119> but now my install is hung at about 75%


[14:56] <douglasawh-work> this is specifically what I'm trying to translate from Windows-speak to Linux http://pastebin.com/v1ypjtUg