[00:05] <SaltyCatFish> dpkg: warning: 'start-stop-daemon' not found in PATH or not executable
[00:05] <SaltyCatFish> anyone know of fix?
[00:05] <SaltyCatFish> can't install daemon without "start-stop-daemon"....
[00:05] <SaltyCatFish> so... catch 22 i guess?
[00:09] <TJ-> SaltyCatFish: which release is that on? start-stop daemon is an old service helper for sysinit but most services use systemd now
[00:12] <multifractal> How would one go about adding a button to the top bar in unity?
[00:13] <multifractal> I'd like to add a couple to rotate the screen 90degrees clock and anti-clock.
[00:13] <multifractal> There is one vaguely similar app out there for ubuntu, but it was buggy for me http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/08/rotate-screen-ubuntu-16-04-indicator-applet
[00:14] <TJ-> multifractal: could you attach a hot-key combo to a script as an alternative, or do you have to have icons?
[00:15] <SaltyCatFish> TJ-: Hey sorry just happened after last update
[00:15] <multifractal> TJ- yeah I want icons because the goal is to use it when the screen is folded back in tablet mode (2-in-1 laptop)
[00:15] <SaltyCatFish> Linux viktor 4.8.0-54-generic #57~16.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Wed May 24 16:22:28 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[00:16] <TJ-> multifractal: does the device have an accelerometer? I have a script on my tablet that detects the change in orientation and executes and xrandr command to rotate
[00:16] <multifractal> TJ- yeah it has, it works in windows
[00:16] <TJ-> SaltyCatFish: which ubuntu release - "lsb_release -a"
[00:16] <xrandr> i just got pinged cause my name was just said
[00:17] <TJ-> xrandr -d 0:0 -sleep
[00:17] <SaltyCatFish> Linux Mint 18.1 Serena
[00:17] <SaltyCatFish> 16.04
[00:17] <TJ-> SaltyCatFish: that's not Ubuntu, you'd need to ask the Mint support people
[00:17] <SaltyCatFish> my bad
[00:18]  * xrandr sleeps
[00:18] <bazhang> !mintsupport > SaltyCatFish
[00:23] <multifractal> TJ- Can you share your auto-rotate script? Do I need to install anything?
[00:31] <TJ-> multifractal: I can't right now because I don't have that device to hand
[00:32] <psychoticwarrior> ok im now in KDE plasma. got it to work
[00:32] <bazhang> psychoticwarrior, any support issues?
[00:32] <TJ-> multifractal: actually, I can, hang on a mo
[00:34] <TJ-> multifractal: see https://linuxappfinder.com/blog/auto_screen_rotation_in_ubuntu
[00:37] <psychoticwarrior> i think KDE plasma is alright
[00:37] <psychoticwarrior> unity8 has bugs
[00:37] <bazhang> psychoticwarrior, then file some bug
[00:40] <psychoticwarrior> im good
[00:40] <psychoticwarrior> what do you mean by file some
[00:40] <multifractal> TJ- thanks. strange but it doesn't seem to be working for me
[00:40] <bazhang> psychoticwarrior, then why mention it here in support
[00:42] <bazhang> !bug | psychoticwarrior
[00:42] <psychoticwarrior> ok for sure i will do that
[00:42] <psychoticwarrior> i noticed the sound woudnt work even though it says it does
[00:46] <psychoticwarrior> im starting to like KDE plasma
[01:57] <blacknred0> why do i am always getting this error -> `bash: ./eclipse: Permission denied` (in this case is eclipse)
[01:57] <blacknred0> how can i fix it?
[01:59] <venzen> blacknred0: have you checked permissions on that dir?
[02:00] <blacknred0> venzen: dir "drwxr-xr-x" and file "-rwxr-xr-x"
[02:01] <venzen> blacknred0: and ownership? does it belong to your user?
[02:01] <blacknred0> venzen: yes and the group
[02:02] <venzen> blacknred0: add write permissions for your group with: chmod g+w ~/.eclipse
[02:03] <venzen> blacknred0: might as well do it recursively for the dir: chmod -R g+w ~/.eclipse
[02:06] <blacknred0> venzen: still :/
[02:06] <blacknred0> if it helps, i just recently did a migration and my home is mounted on a ntfs filesystem
[02:07] <blacknred0> could it be that my fstab is screwing things up :/
[02:07] <venzen> blacknred0: i remember having this issue in the past - Eclipse runs via Java and calls various other sub-systems so I believe another system user is invoked to access that dir
[02:07] <venzen> blacknred0: unlikely to be fstab
[02:07] <blacknred0> venzen: but is not just eclipse
[02:08] <blacknred0> is seems like is every script that i try running from bash
[02:08] <blacknred0> i tried looking online, but couldn't find something that would work
[02:08] <venzen> blacknred0: ok then check perms on your home dir
[02:08] <venzen> and ownership
[02:09] <blacknred0> here is my home "drwxrwxr-x"
[02:09] <blacknred0> it seems right to me
[02:09] <venzen> yep
[02:10] <venzen> and ownership is correct too?
[02:10] <blacknred0> yes
[02:10] <blacknred0> this is home "drwxr-xr-x"
[02:11] <venzen> that's as expected
[02:11] <venzen> what mount perms do you see if you run mount?
[02:11] <blacknred0> i know
[02:11] <blacknred0> this si really weird
[02:12] <blacknred0> venzen: this is what i have setup on my fstab "UUID=XXXXXX	/home	ntfs	auto,users,permissions	0	2"
[02:13] <venzen> hmmm, ntfs...
[02:13] <venzen> i have no experience with ntfs but i suspect that is the issue
[02:14] <blacknred0> do you think?
[02:14] <blacknred0> based on what i found it seems that if i had users (to mount the partition) and permissions it will inherit from linux
[02:15] <venzen> i've got: UUID=xyz /home           ext4    defaults        0       2
[02:16] <venzen> that "2" at the end is important - specifying "1" is usually reserved for the root (/) fs
[02:16] <blacknred0> wtf
[02:16] <venzen> sorry, ignore what i said: you have 2 :)
[02:16] <blacknred0> ok, let me dig more about executing in ntfs
[02:16] <blacknred0> thanks mate!!!
[02:17] <venzen> sure, gl
[02:17] <venzen> blacknred0: if you're still in this channel, check the output of mount
[02:18] <blacknred0> venzen: how?
[02:18] <venzen> the home fs should be "rw"
[02:18] <venzen> just type: mount
[02:21] <blacknred0> venzen: this, right? "/dev/sdc1 on /home type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096)"
[02:22] <venzen> user_id=0 seems to imply it is owned by root user which is correct
[02:22] <venzen> if the mount perms are correct, try running Eclipse as root user: sudo eclipse
[02:22] <venzen> check the terminal output and see if you still get the permission error on .eclipse
[02:23] <blacknred0> venzen: something is going on... I can't even do it as sudo
[02:24] <blacknred0> let me move eclipse to my ext4 and see if will execute
[02:24] <blacknred0> i also found this which i'm going to try as well -> https://askubuntu.com/questions/952076/ntfs-hd-as-write-read-problem
[02:25] <venzen> blacknred0: i think ntfs is the issue, sorry i cannot help with that
[02:25] <blacknred0> venzen: no worries, you help me narrowing it down - which is good enough for me :)
[02:25] <venzen> please post here if you get it fixed - i'm interested
[02:26] <blacknred0> will do ;)
[02:26] <venzen> gl!
[02:34] <JFox762> hi
[02:34] <JFox762> :)
[02:35] <JFox762> I have a question regarding TLP drivers for T430, I just bought a T430 and just installed Ubuntu on it... I was told that you need special drivers for it
[02:39] <JFox762> hello?
[02:41] <Bashing-om> !patience | JFox762
[02:43] <JFox762> I have a question regarding TLP drivers for T430, I just bought a T430 and just installed Ubuntu on it... I was told that you need special drivers for it
[02:43] <JFox762> I need help installing them
[02:53] <JFox762> I have a question regarding TLP drivers for T430, I just bought a T430 and just installed Ubuntu on it... I was told that you need special drivers for it
[02:53] <JFox762> I need help installing them
[02:56] <[n0mad]> JFox762: repeating yourself isn't necessary. if nobody knows the answer then nobody will respond and it's the weekend as well so cooler people than us aren't just sitting on a computer.
[02:56] <[n0mad]> is everything working on your computer?
[02:56] <JFox762> yes
[02:56] <JFox762> I read that I'm supposed to install Tlp drivers
[02:57] <JFox762> in order to keep Ubuntu from killing my battery
[02:58] <[n0mad]> what version of ubuntu?
[02:59] <JFox762> 17
[02:59] <[n0mad]> 17.04?
[02:59] <JFox762> yes
[03:00] <[n0mad]> https://itsfoss.com/things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-17-04/
[03:00] <[n0mad]> item #10
[03:17] <joegiampaoli> Hello, I want to completely disable "Unattended Upgrades" in my laptop, sometimes when I open the lid after suspension the very first thing it does is go and start checking them, I have disabled "Automatic check for updates" in Synaptic, but it seems that it still checks for the unnatended upgrades because I can see the command running in conky taking up the CPU cycles, should I just remove the package "unattended-upgrades"? Thanks...
[03:22] <Bashing-om> joegiampaoli: What is set for the autoremove setting in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades ?
[03:25] <joegiampaoli> Bashing-om: It seems to be commented out, it has // at the begining of the line...
[03:27] <joegiampaoli> Bashing-om: Actually the whole file seems to be commented out, all lines have the dashes...
[03:27] <joegiampaoli> well not dashes, actually slants "/"
[03:28] <joegiampaoli> Bashing-om: So, my question is, can that oackage be removed safely?
[03:33] <Bashing-om> joegiampaoli: Yes, one ,au sagely revo,e . See ' apt show unattended-upgrades ' -> Priority: optional /
[03:34] <Bashing-om> One may safely remove .. sheessshhh - watch what I am doing !
[03:34] <joegiampaoli> Bashing-om: LOL! No worries, I kinda understood what you wrote there ;)
[03:36] <joegiampaoli> Bashing-om: OK, thanks! I will remove it, I always check updates often, I just don't want the laptop doing things automatically without me knowing, I like to be more in control of what and when to update...
[03:37] <joegiampaoli> Bashing-om: Alright! I really appreciate it! Take care!
[03:39] <sunrunner20> I'm trying to install but I'm stuck at "force UEFI installation?" none of the buttons work
[03:44] <Bashing-om> joegiampaoli: Same here . I want to know what updates .
[03:48] <sunrunner20> yaya its a known bug
[03:48] <sunrunner20> thats been open for a fucking year
[03:49] <sunrunner20> gg guys
[04:15] <pabed> hi guys, I connected to microsoft server via smb://<IP_ADDRESS> and server wanted user and pass for entring , how could I clear old user and pass and enter with new user and pass , it saved old user and pass while I did not put remember check mark?
[04:28] <yoginth>    /msg NickServ VERIFY EMAILCHG yoginth 886280318
[04:30] <yoginth> hello all
[04:30] <yoginth> how to become a moderator at Ubuntu's IRC
[04:32] <xrandr> yoginth: /cs info #ubuntu
[04:32] <xrandr> message the founder
[05:16] <demophobia> what's the best way to find and listen to internet radio on lubuntu?
[05:17] <demophobia> i grew up on winamp / itunes that had internet radio compiled already
[05:17] <lotuspsychje> !info clementine | demophobia
[05:19] <demophobia> thanks lotuspsychje ...
[05:20] <demophobia> How do I reset the colors to default values from Customize Look and Feel? i've accidentally made menu bars hard to read
[05:20] <lotuspsychje> demophobia: im sure there are more players you can listen radios from aswell
[05:20] <demophobia> lotuspsychje, before asking i searched and found https://itsfoss.com/apps-internet-streaming-radio-ubuntu/
[05:21] <lotuspsychje> demophobia: like vlc can stream url's from internet aswell
[05:32] <demophobia> lotuspsychje, trying radiotray, but stations aren't loading
[05:32] <demophobia> so maybe i'll try that next
[05:39] <JFox762> does  Ubuntu 17.04 not include workspaces?
[05:41] <JFox762> does  Ubuntu 17.04 not include workspaces?
[05:43] <demophobia> JFox762, lubuntu 16.04 has virtual desktops
[05:43] <demophobia> so i doubt there'd be a downgrade
[05:43] <JFox762> Oh nevermind
[05:43] <JFox762> I just didnt have it activated
[07:23] <rh10> guys, any good keyboard train program in ubuntu? for type with 10 fingers :)
[07:29] <rh10> googled https://www.tipp10.com/en/download/
[07:29] <rh10> not bad, online and usual desktop software
[07:30] <rh10> https://askubuntu.com/questions/32276/are-there-any-good-typing-tutors
[07:40] <lotuspsychje> rh10: apt-cache search keyboard
[07:52] <tecan> does ubuntu have an ima server for checksums ?
[07:52] <tomreyn> tecan: 'ima' as in?
[07:53] <tecan> integrity management archatecture
[07:53] <tecan> does remote checksums to make sure system is as it should be
[07:54] <tomreyn> maybe that's "integrity measurement architecture"?
[07:54] <tecan> yes
[07:55] <tomreyn> i'm not into the concept, but https://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_30 "1.14. Integrity Management Architecture" mentions this
[07:56] <tecan> someone recommended to me ima over signed binary's
[07:56] <tomreyn> it seems to depend on a TPM
[07:57] <tecan> was going to modify binfmt_elf.c to use http://www.hick.org/code/skape/elfsign/
[07:58] <tomreyn> hmm this is maybe more a topic for a development related channel
[08:01] <tomreyn> for disctribution of binaries, gpg signing is the most common approach in linuxland. to ensure long term integrity you could use file alteration mointoring solutions such as ossec, aide, tripwire, integrit.
[08:01] <tomreyn> none of which depend on TPM
[09:17] <Taxicletter> Hi, I was wondering: why are the icons in Unity so big, with so much space around them?
[09:17] <Taxicletter> It looks like it's made for children or people with eyesight trouble...
[09:18] <Taxicletter> It all looks nice, but you loose so much space on your screen, I don't get it...
[09:18] <Taxicletter> Any thoughts or proposed improvements for that?
[09:19] <Taxicletter> (PS: just installed Ubuntu 17, after trying Xubuntu, Linux Mint, Elementary, OpenSUSE, Debian, ...)
[09:26] <tomreyn> Taxicletter: there's no "ubuntu 17", do you mean ubuntu 17.04? are you aware that unity is being dropped as the default desktop?
[09:29] <cfhowlett> Taxicletter, check your display settings e.g. screen resolution
[09:35] <Taxicletter> Yes I mean 17.04
[09:35] <Taxicletter> Display settings are okay, thanks cfhowlett
[09:35] <cfhowlett> Taxicletter, as of 17.10, unity will be gone so ... wait a month
[09:35] <Taxicletter> https://imgur.com/a/nSJzX is this not the default desktop for Ubuntu?
[09:36] <Taxicletter> Ah. OK. What will come instead?
[09:36] <cfhowlett> gnome
[09:37] <Taxicletter> I think in gnome the format and spacing are the same, isn't it?
[09:37] <cfhowlett> also, icon size can be adjusted by clicking on the upper middle icon
[09:37] <Taxicletter> What do you use? Unity, Gnome, something else?
[09:37] <cfhowlett> i.e. view as list, detailed list or icons
[09:38] <Taxicletter> Ah! Great, that's already much better :-)
[09:38] <Taxicletter> thanks
[09:38] <cfhowlett> happy2help!
[09:39] <Taxicletter> So if I keep everything up-to-date, I will loose the Unity automatically?
[09:39] <Taxicletter> In favor of Gnome.
[09:39] <cfhowlett> update?  no.  upGRADE to 17.10?  yep.
[09:47] <Taxicletter> sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:47] <Taxicletter> ok
[10:10] <jost> Hi! Sorry for cross-posting... could someone have a look at this question please? https://askubuntu.com/questions/950066/ecryptfs-unmounts-ever-half-hour-or-so-after-home-partition-ran-full
[11:09] <blacknred0> venzen: i figured it out :) ... all i had to do was to pass "exec" since ntfs disable this by default
[11:09] <blacknred0> so my fstab will look like this -> "UUID=XXXXXX	/home	ntfs	auto,users,permissions,exec	0	2"
[11:10] <blacknred0> who knew that by reading documentation you could achieve things :) (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab)
[11:14] <guizmax> Hi all
[11:15] <guizmax> I've a issue with wifi connecting on a ubuntu 16.04 installed on a Brix
[11:15] <guizmax> here's the prompt: https://paste.ubuntu.com/25546985/
[11:16] <guizmax> if anybody can help me
[11:16] <brainwash> was it really necessary to use a pastebin service for one single line?
[11:17] <guizmax> not really, it's true
[11:18] <brainwash> is this line from the system log?
[11:19] <guizmax> no, it's a prompt is open when I try to connect the wifi (I'm sorry if I use bad english term, I'm french)
[11:21] <rory> When using "mount" command, if I want to specify multiple options, do I do like like this: mount -o nonempty -o allow_other
[11:21] <rory> or like this: mount -o nonempty,allow_other
[11:22] <ducasse> rory: i use the latter, but either should work
[11:22] <brainwash> guizmax: is this a persistent issue?
[11:23] <guizmax> yes it is
[11:25] <brainwash> guizmax: please check "journalctl" for network related error messages
[11:27] <guizmax> I check it
[11:30] <brainwash> and/or "dmesg"
[11:31] <guizmax> brainwash: https://paste.ubuntu.com/25547084/
[11:34] <guizmax> is it the line "no agents were available for this request" the problem?
[11:34] <brainwash> maybe
[11:35] <brainwash> it's marked as <warn>
[11:35] <brainwash> so, it should only be a warning
[11:35] <brainwash> but it could be the issue
[11:36] <guizmax> which agent does it wait for?
[11:36] <brainwash> a keyring one I guess
[11:37] <brainwash> for passwords
[11:38] <guizmax> ok, i've uninstall the password manager which is installed with ubuntu
[11:38] <brainwash> well, you could try to ask in #nm
[11:39] <brainwash> nm = networkmanager
[11:39] <brainwash> the password manager?
[11:39] <guizmax> yes, may be it's waiting for it
[11:40] <brainwash> what is the name of the package?
[11:40] <brainwash> the one you've uninstalled
[11:41] <guizmax> I'm not sure but it is keyring I think (trousseau in French, I'm not sure for the english therm)
[11:43] <brainwash> is gnome-keyring installed?
[11:44] <brainwash> apt-cache policy gnome-keyring
[11:44] <guizmax> it's installed
[11:45] <brainwash> no idea then
[11:46] <brainwash> if no one else here knows how to debug your problem, I suggest joining #nm
[11:46] <guizmax> ok thank you brainwash
[11:47] <guizmax> i've tried something and ubuntu show me a crash prompt
[11:47] <TJ-> guizmax: it looks like NetworkManager doesn't have access to the secrets, obviously. Is the system headless/non-GUI - command shell only?
[11:48] <guizmax> Hi TJ, no I use it with GUI
[11:49] <ioria> guizmax, standard ubuntu install ?
[11:49] <guizmax> Hi ioria, yes, full standard 16.04 lts on a gigabyte birx 2807 computer
[11:50] <ioria> guizmax, ps -A | grep keyring
[11:51] <guizmax> done, but nothing
[11:51] <ioria> guizmax, the daemon is not running
[11:51] <guizmax> How can I check it?
[11:52] <ioria> guizmax, you have just checked it
[11:52] <guizmax> okay, my bad XD
[11:52] <guizmax> So, have I to activate the daemon?
[11:53] <ioria> guizmax, guess so ...
[11:54] <TJ-> guizmax: I saw a similar issue recently where there was no policykit agent available, I had to ensure the package policykit-1 was installed so that /usr/bin/pkttyagent was present
[11:55] <ioria> guizmax, yeah, can you paste dpkg -l | grep policykit
[11:55] <guizmax> I use the grep command on /usr/bin/pkttyagent for policykit-1 but no return
[11:55] <guizmax> I try it
[11:57] <TJ-> guizmax: Generally, NetworkManager expects an agent to be present. KDE and Gnome provide one themselves but other Desktop Environments may not
[11:57] <ioria> guizmax, can you paste dpkg -l | grep policykit
[11:57] <guizmax> policykit is look like to be installed
[11:58] <guizmax> ioria: https://paste.ubuntu.com/25547245/
[12:01] <venzen> blacknred0: great! glad you solved it :)
[12:02] <ioria> guizmax, try       gnome-keyring-daemon --start --replace --foreground --components=secrets,ssh,pcks11
[12:06] <guizmax> ioria: it tell me "gnome-keyring-daemon is unknown command"
[12:07] <guizmax> So I guess I have to install it, right?
[12:07] <ioria> guizmax, which gnome-keyring-daemon
[12:08] <quadruple> Hi, I have problems with a setup on a Microsoft Azure VM (with ubuntu server 16.04).
[12:08] <quadruple> I want to forward the output of e.g. glxgears to my local machine.
[12:08] <quadruple> I could manage to forward opengl apps with VirtualGL from another PC (common ubuntu workstation) to my local machine some time ago.
[12:08] <quadruple> I don't know why this doesn't work inside the VM. Can someone help me with such a setup?
[12:08] <guizmax> ioria, I don't know, I just type the command with sudo
[12:08] <ioria> guizmax, run in term  ' which gnome-keyring-daemon     '
[12:10] <guizmax> the standard one I suppose, I've install no more
[12:11] <ioria> guizmax,  ls -l /usr/bin/gnome-keyring-daemon
[12:12] <guizmax> the file exist
[12:12] <ioria> guizmax,  gnome-keyring-daemon -r -d
[12:16] <guizmax> I try to run the command but It doesn't work
[12:17] <ioria> guizmax,  what it says ?
[12:17] <guizmax> gnome-keyring-daemon: can't found the command
[12:18] <ioria> guizmax,   /usr/bin/gnome-keyring-daemon   --start
[12:21] <guizmax> doesn't work too... it doesn't find the gnome-keyring-daemon command but the file exist
[12:24] <ioria> guizmax,  why did you install this pkg : plainbox-secure-policy
[12:24] <guizmax> it's drive me crazy, when I type my command it tell me "not permitted", when I use the root login It tell me the command doesn't exist
[12:26] <guizmax> ioria, I don't remember when I've install it, may be when I've installed enpass
[12:26] <acresearch> people, help with crons, how can i make cron execute a command twice a week?  00 20 * * 2 COMMAND?
[12:28] <ioria> guizmax,  run     nm-connection-editor    -> edit -> General Tab  and set the wifi available for all users
[12:29] <guizmax> ioria: "Gtk-Message: GtkDialog mapped without a transient parent. This is discouraged."
[12:29] <guizmax> Is it normal?
[12:29] <ducasse> acresearch: 'man 5 crontab' has detailed info on what the fields are
[12:30] <ioria> guizmax,  you can open NM from its icon in the panel -> edit connections
[12:30] <acresearch> ducasse: i know what is in each feild, but i do not understand how the weeks feild works
[12:30] <guizmax> done, I've set the wifi connection for every users
[12:30] <ioria> guizmax,  reboot
[12:31] <guizmax> okay, I try to be back XD
[12:34] <acresearch> ducasse: also would the scrip the command runs has to be in the home directory?
[12:40] <ducasse> acresearch: it's not 'week', it's 'day of week'. the script can be anywhere as long as you use an absolute path
[12:40] <acresearch> oh
[12:40] <acresearch> hmmmm, ok
[12:43] <beaver> °_°
[12:44] <guizmax> ioria: It work!
[12:44] <ioria> guizmax,  heureux
[12:45] <guizmax> yeah! thank you so much!
[12:45] <ioria> guizmax,  it's a workaround, not the fix ....
[12:46] <guizmax> how, okay. Well, is a fix exist for this issues?
[12:47] <ioria> guizmax,  afaik, your gnome-keyring daemon is not running, and should find out why
[12:48] <guizmax> have I to try to make a new install of it?
[12:51] <guizmax> I've try ton apt-get install gnome-keyring, it tell me it's the latest version of it which is installed
[12:51] <guizmax> 3.18.3-0 ubuntu2
[12:51] <ioria> guizmax,  please paste   dpkg -l | grep  gnome-keyring
[12:53] <guizmax> ioria: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25547551/
[12:54] <ioria> guizmax,  looks good to me
[12:55] <ioria> sy, brb
[12:55] <guizmax> if I reboot now and the issue is fixed, normaly it still working?
[12:59] <guizmax> ioria: am I right?
[13:13] <guizmax> ioria: three reboot and it still working, does it smell good?
[13:14] <beaver> oui guizmax
[13:15] <guizmax> you speak french? XD
[13:15] <cfhowlett> !fr
[13:16] <beaver> you have your answer guizmax
[13:16] <guizmax> yes, thank so much for your help
[13:17] <beaver> 09/16/17 14:55:45 < *ioria> guizmax,  looks good to me
[13:17] <beaver> ,o
[13:19] <guizmax> thank you ioria, beaver and mvvvv for your help, I have a lot of stuff to learn about linux and ubuntu
[13:20] <beaver> eheh, avoids postcrossing next time guizmax, please
[13:21] <guizmax> Okay, my apologize
[13:21] <beaver> np
[13:23] <cnnx> is there a icloud client for ubuntu
[13:23] <cnnx> so i can access files from my icloud drive
[13:23] <cfhowlett> pretty sure no
[13:23] <k_sze_> I need help properly fixing automatic updates on my Ubuntu server.
[13:24] <k_sze_> It appears that it *does* automatically update, but it won't automatically reboot for updates that require it.
[13:24] <k_sze_> I also don't get e-mail notifications about automatically applied updates. :/
[13:25] <cfhowlett> !server | k_sze_, never heard of a server doing auto-reboot  perhaps ask the experts in the server channel
[13:25] <k_sze_> There's a server channel? I never realised.
[13:27] <compdoc> I think defaults are to install security update automatically, but not to reboot. I dont know, but the settings might allow rebooting.
[13:29] <ducasse> k_sze_: you can set that in the unattended-upgrades config
[13:30] <ducasse> k_sze_: /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades
[13:30] <k_sze_> Hmm, what's the difference between that and "/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades"?
[13:32] <k_sze_> They are clearly different, but related. I just ran dpkg-reconfigure unattended-upgrades and it created a new 20auto-upgrades file.
[13:32] <k_sze_> I wonder why they even need to be separate files.
[13:34] <k_sze_> I have Unattended-Upgrade::Mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>in 50unattended-upgrades, but I'm not receiving any mail.
[13:35] <k_sze_> I also have Unattended-Upgrade::Automatic-Reboot "true"; already.
[13:37] <k_sze_> And I *do* get the /var/run/reboot-required file.
[13:37] <TJ-> Is there a workaround for the USN-2639-1 (June 2015) change to openssl where it requires a minimum DH key size of 768 bits? This has broken access to several data-center appliances with embedded web servers using SSLv3/TLS1.0 where the firmware DH key size in the server key exchange is only 512 bits. There aren't any firmware upgrades for these aged devices.
[13:40] <k_sze_> TJ-: Use an older version of openssl (in a chroot, container, or VM)?
[13:40] <k_sze_> But that's really not recommended in the long run.
[13:40] <k_sze_> Who owns the data centre appliances?
[13:42] <TJ-> k_sze_: I do. They're KVM-over-IP devices (Avocent DSR2020), presenting a Java Webstart viewer over an encrpyted connection, which uses this firmware embedded key.
[13:43] <TJ-> k_sze_: affects other devices too, but mostly there are unencrypted connection alternatives for those
[13:44] <TJ-> k_sze_: It's looking like my best course is to recompile openssl with the 768-bit DH key size restriction removed
[13:44] <k_sze_> Ah, KVM-over-IP. Well, it's up to you to weight the cost vs benefit of sticking with outdated, insecure stuff vs buying new equipment.
[13:44] <TJ-> k_sze_: nothing insecure about it. This stuff is on isolated VLANs
[13:46] <k_sze_> Can you keep a cheap computer on the same LAN with an old version of Ubuntu just for this purpose? Or does that not satisfy your workflow?
[13:47] <k_sze_> And you are betting on your VLAN not being somehow compromised.
[13:48] <k_sze_> All kinds of bugs can happen. Maybe a firmware bug in switch can make other computers break into your VLAN.
[13:48] <k_sze_> Which is why security by layers is important.
[13:53] <TJ-> k_sze_: good luck to whoever spends the time trying to do that :)
[14:18] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:29] <benni> Hello peeps, I'm having difficulties with my flash plugin that doesn't work as expected. Perhaps you can give me hand with it?
[14:29] <cfhowlett> !flash
[14:33] <oerheks> benni, give more details please, ubuntu version, what browser ..
[14:33] <benni> I stumbled across the problem while I was listening to a radio station via the browser (in this case FF). Since the last update of "adobe-flashplugin", i cannot open the page and simultaneously watch youtube-clips (and other video-streaming sites), animated pics on facebook don't work either. Once I've closed the tab with the radio, the yt-clips start automatically. The same problem seems to appear the other way round - If I load
[14:33] <benni> the video-clips first the page with the stream won't run. It seems that these problems appear in all browsers and since the update - hence my thought that this is related to the plugin. I've also noticed that the streaming-clips (in chrome) will start once I've closed the other tab (in firefox) - and vice-versa. I'd expect that -as before- could simultaneously browse all sort of pages and in all browsers.
[14:34] <benni> I use ubuntu 14.04
[14:34] <benni> the package version is 1:20170912.1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[14:34] <benni> FF 55.02
[14:35] <benni> chrome 61.0.3163.91
[14:36] <oerheks> So, when you switch tabs, only the focussed one plays flash? that is a feature, not a bug.
[14:36] <cfhowlett> yep
[14:38] <benni> It won't load no matter what the focus is. The content that is being loaded is the one that I loaded first.
[14:40] <oerheks> maybe dragging the tab from the browser, so you have 2 instances, works for you?
[14:42] <ioria> benni, can you provide the  radio station link ?
[14:43] <benni> the problem also appears cross-browserwise. If I load the page with the radio-stream in FF and then a yt-clip in chrome, the page in chrome will load but the clip wouldn't start and/or freeze. I'll see if I can make a screencast to demonstrate it.
[14:43] <ioria> benni, the  radio station link ? which is ?
[14:43] <benni> http://www1.wdr.de/radio/player/radioplayer112~_layout-popupVersion.html
[14:44] <jiffe> so I'm trying to install a package via apt-get and it wants to install python-protobuf also.  I've already installed this via pip and its a newer version.  Is there a way I can ignore that dependency?
[14:45] <ioria> benni, you're right
[14:48] <ioria> benni, it does not happen with this https://www.internet-radio.com/stations/electronic/  ... may an issue with that specific website
[14:50] <benni> Why do the yt-clips won't play, then?
[14:50] <benni> sorry, some bad grammar in my english...
[14:51] <tomreyn> you could try skipping flash and just running mplayer https://wdr-wdr5-live.icecastssl.wdr.de/wdr/wdr5/live/mp3/128/stream.mp3
[14:51] <ioria> benni, btw, i don't think flash is the problem, because  that site it's not using it (i disabled it in ff)
[14:53] <benni> I thought about that, too. what else could the problem be?
[14:53] <ioria> benni,  eureka:  disable flash shockwave
[14:54] <ioria> benni,  about:addons -> plugins -> disable shockwave
[14:55] <benni> Thank you, done that
[14:55] <ioria> benni,  ok
[14:56] <jiffe> so I forced the installation of a .deb file which had unmet dependencies, how do I move foreward without apt-get always complaining about those missing dependencies?
[14:59] <benni> Interesting - now that I've disabled flash, two buttons (for two ff extensions) in the FF panel appeared that were gone (since the update, I believe).
[15:01] <benni> and that also solved the problem that I had in the first place...
[15:02] <benni> Is it worthy to create a bug report for that?
[15:10] <ioria> benni, maybe
[15:12] <benni> OK. I'm trying to find more details and file e a report. Many thanks for your help - it is very much appreciated!
[15:13] <ioria> benni, no problem
[15:43] <madmanonmeds> where do you set default editor in ubuntu 16.04
[15:48] <pavlos> set -o emacs
[15:52] <madmanonmeds> it still using gedit
[15:58] <oerheks> update-alternatives --config gnome-text-editor
[16:03] <pavlos> look in /etc/gnome/defaults.list for "text/plain=" change from gedit to your editor (you'll need sudo to change it)
[16:12] <oterrivel> hello
[16:13] <xrandr> hi
[16:14] <unholymachine> anyone know of a good forensics IRC channel that isn't dead like #dfir?
[16:14] <oterrivel> network-manager
[16:15] <oterrivel> hello, i am on ubuntu 9.10 karmic with network-manager has device not ready for wireless
[16:15] <oerheks> unholymachine, we are not the yellowpages, but a quick search gives #digital-forensic
[16:15] <oerheks> oterrivel, congrats!
[16:15] <unholymachine> oh nice i didn't see that one on the list
[16:15] <unholymachine> thanks
[16:16] <Kobaz> oterrivel: is your card supported?
[16:16] <oerheks> you have the oldest ubuntu running, it is EOL, dead, upgrade please
[16:16] <oterrivel> Kobaz: i can see it with lspci ?
[16:16] <xrandr> oterrivel: I don't think 9.10 is supported anymore. Please upgrade
[16:16] <Kobaz> oterrivel: doesnt mean it's supported
[16:16] <oerheks> no support here
[16:17] <oterrivel> Kobaz: how can I achieve that?
[16:17] <Kobaz> oterrivel: yeah, stuff like wireless, older distros are almost guaranteed issues.  best bet is to update.. worst case you can do a kernel upgrade and see
[16:17] <oterrivel> how will update with no connection?
[16:17] <oerheks> kernel upgrade  is a bad advise..
[16:17] <Kobaz> if he wants to keep his current distro/verison, then that's the best advice
[16:17] <oerheks> oterrivel, download 14.04 or 16.04 / 17.04 and reinstall
[16:18] <oterrivel> ok, how can I solve within 9.10?
[16:18] <Kobaz> oterrivel: kernel upgrae
[16:18] <Kobaz> *de
[16:19] <oerheks> there is no newer kernel for Karmic Koala...
[16:19] <Kobaz> you can build one manually
[16:19] <Kobaz> nothing like trial by fire
[16:19] <oerheks> please take this support Q to #ubuntu-offtopic please
[16:20] <Kobaz> if you're dead set on keeping 9.10, then that's your main option
[16:20] <Kobaz> and then you may have to upgrade userland stuff like udev,
[16:20] <Kobaz> oterrivel: uname -a ?
[16:21] <Kobaz> and what's your wireless card?  just need the single line from lspci
[16:22] <Kobaz> oterrivel: also... why do you want to keep 9.10 ?
[16:23] <oerheks> oterrivel, download a fresh iso and reinstall, upgrading 9.10 > 10.04 (dead) > 12.10 ( dead) > 14.04 is a headache
[16:23] <oterrivel> Kobaz: <IP_ADDRESS> i686 Linux   Broadcom Corp BCM4312 b/g 14e4:4315 rev01
[16:24] <Kobaz> ooo. 9.10 uses kernel 2.6.31
[16:24] <Kobaz> yeah you're going to get much better results with > 3
[16:24] <Kobaz> 2.6.31 was released almost 10 years ago
[16:25] <Novice201y> I've got 15.04 on one machine, and want to upgrade it. But for "update-manager" I receive "An upgrade from 'vivid' to 'xenial' is not supported with this tool.".
[16:25] <Kobaz> oterrivel: you have two options. do a major distro update.. or you're going to have to install a lot of packages manually... the userland in 9.10 is not going to play nice with newer kernels (especially udev)
[16:26] <Kobaz> oterrivel: broadcom is well supported in newer kernels
[16:26] <Kobaz> i dont even know offhand if udev was around in 2.6
[16:26] <Kobaz> i think that was devfs back then
[16:26] <oerheks> Novice201y, correct, fastest would be a fresh install 16.04
[16:27] <oerheks> !eolupgrade
[16:27] <oerheks> but this factoid is useless for 9.10 .. too old
[16:27] <Novice201y> oerheks: Thank you.
[16:28] <oerheks> 16.04 comes with systemd, so i would do fresh
[16:29] <Kobaz> Novice201y: if you dont mind playing around, and have good backups.. you can edit /etc/apt/sources*, put in the repo name of the next release after yours, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade, and you should be good
[16:30]  * oerheks facepalms
[16:30] <Kobaz> update-manager doesn't support upgrades like that, but apt-get does
[16:30] <buggaboosanchez> I'm trying to install eclipse on ubuntu 16.04 but there is no *-inst file in existance in the download.
[16:32] <Kobaz> oerheks: i hear fresh-install, and i think of endless BSODs in windows 95 and then you have to reinstall
[16:33] <oerheks> Kobaz, your advise is against the upgrade policy, not really helpfull.
[16:33] <Kobaz> oerheks: if it saves people time
[16:33] <glitsj16> buggaboosanchez: what's wrong with eclipse from the official repos?
[16:33] <Kobaz> apt* handles distro upgrades quite well
[16:34] <Kobaz> that's it's job... it's a shame the idea is to stay away from it
[16:34] <someone_> How I can return to older version of firefox ?
[16:34] <Kobaz> someone_: depends how old
[16:34] <FMan> I wonder if it is possible to have clang on Ubuntu
[16:36] <kikero> Hello!
[16:36] <FMan> okay
[16:37] <Novice201y> What is "aptitude" from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades? I don't have this command in 15.04
[16:37] <someone_> Kobaz two versions before this version 55.0.2 because many add-ons are not compatible with 55.0.2
[16:37] <kikero> I am running Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS and I have a few problems. One of them is that the wireless connection works very well on some networks, while on others it lags a lot.
[16:37] <ikonia> Novice201y: aptitude isn't installed by default any more I believe
[16:37] <kikero> i.e. internet works and at a good speed, but from time to time, requests are pending for a minute or so before returning anything
[16:37] <oerheks> someone_,  use firefox 52 ESR https://askubuntu.com/questions/894871/how-to-install-firefox-52-esr-on-16-04
[16:38] <someone_> Thanks
[16:38] <TJ-> someone_: I believe there's an about:config switch to disable the imposition of requiring only (Chrome) web-extensions, so that older XUL based extensions continue to work. I *think* version 57 will remove that backward-compatible support entirely
[16:38] <oerheks> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/09/firefox-esr-ubuntu
[16:38] <Novice201y> ikonia: OK. Thank you.
[16:40] <FMan> apt-get is the new aptitude
[16:42] <oerheks> there are no benefits anymore, aptitude over apt
[16:43] <Novice201y> Is CODENAME="vivid" for 15.04 in "deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ CODENAME main restricted universe multiverse"?
[16:43] <FMan> can I search with apt-cache so that I only get results that have the search term in the pkg name?
[16:43] <Bored> Hello, is there any equivalent to WinDbg in ubuntu(linux general) I want to debug ELF file
[16:43] <FMan> isn't 15.04 EoL?
[16:44] <FMan> I don't know that command, but maybe objdump?
[16:44] <ikonia> it is EOL
[16:45] <oerheks> Novice201y, yes, but vivid is not in the old-versions server http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/
[16:45] <oerheks> Novice201y, ignore Kobaz bad advise, and reinstall
[16:45] <Novice201y> oerheks: Reinstall is not an option for now.
[16:46] <ikonia> why ?
[16:46] <Novice201y> ikonia: I don't have empty DVD to burn an image, and this computer doesn't boot from USB.
[16:46] <ikonia> could you not get a DVD to burn and just wait until you have it
[16:47] <buggaboosanchez> glitsj16: Sorry, lost my kinternet connection for a min.  I would like to have the very latest (stable) release of eclipse installed. Afaik that can not be obtained from the 'officail' repos and I'm not comfortable adding other repos / using them unless it is something WELL established. Necertheless, the fact that people can  not install according to the ubuntu handbook instruction for this installation ought to be an issue in and of itself shouldn't
[16:47] <oerheks> there is an ISO-boot manual, that works if you have grub installed already https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot
[16:47] <buggaboosanchez> it?  http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2016/01/how-to-install-the-latest-eclipse-in-ubuntu-16-04-15-10/  <--  (step 3):  "Run the installer wizard"
[16:49] <skypce> hi guys
[16:50] <glitsj16> buggaboosanchez: well, that tutorial is probably no longer up-to-date.. there's https://launchpad.net/~mmk2410/+archive/ubuntu/eclipse-ide-java, although I understand your view on adding another repo, at least that way you'll get updates
[16:50] <FMan> hey, almost 17.10 release tiem
[16:51] <ikonia> and ?
[16:51] <venzen> FMan: instead of "search" use: apt-cache pkgnames <searchterm>
[16:51] <glitsj16> buggaboosanchez: afaik ubuntuhandbook is not an official ubuntu thing
[16:51] <FMan> ah, cool, thank you
[16:52] <oerheks> for eclipse, there is an 'ubuntu-make' path .. https://itsfoss.com/install-latest-eclipse-ubuntu/ never done this myself
[16:52] <venzen> FMan: yeah, the search cmd looks for the searchterm in both pkgnames and descriptions
[16:53] <skypce> hi
[16:56] <skypce> hi guys
[16:57] <skypce> i can pay 5 usd for you fixed my hifi bluetooth connection with teamviewer
[16:57] <skypce> i am using ubuntu 14.04
[16:58] <skypce> somebody interesed?
[17:00] <duffman> hi, I'm trying to recover data from a OSx ssd, got a drive convertor to pci express, the partition i want is on /dev/sde2 but I get a superblock error when i try to mount it. I can mount the efi and recovery partions though, smart status is ok
[17:01] <zzarr> hello I can't change brightness of the screen on my tablet with cherry trail x5-8350 SoC and Ubuntu 17.04 with kernel 4.13
[17:01] <ikonia> duffman: probably becuase of the hfs file system module not being loaded
[17:01] <zzarr> does any one have an idea how to fix that?
[17:02] <ikonia> duffman: and I guess if you are trying to "recover" data - that suggests something bad has happened, so you'd need to explain what has happened to it
[17:02] <ikonia> skypce: we do not do paid support here
[17:02] <ikonia> skypce: just ask your question and if someone can help, they will
[17:03] <duffman> it was a water damaged board
[17:03] <duffman> the ssd is fine though, no sign the water got to it
[17:03] <glitsj16> zzarr: have you tried a kernel parameter like "acpi_backlight=vendor" yet?
[17:03] <ikonia> duffman: was it HFS or HFS+ on the disk
[17:03] <duffman> HSF+
[17:04] <zzarr> no, I did not know about it
[17:04] <ikonia> duffman: so have you got the HFS+ file system module loaded
[17:04] <zzarr> should I put that in grub.cfg?
[17:04] <duffman> i have hfsplus progs installed, not sure if that is what you mean
[17:04] <ikonia> duffman: file system support is kernel modules
[17:05] <ikonia> duffman: if the kernel module is not loaded, it won't know about that file system and how to support it, so it won't be able to mount it
[17:05] <ikonia> HFS is read only support
[17:05] <duffman> read only is fine, just trying to pull data off
[17:05] <glitsj16> zzarr: you can test it before adding it permanently in /etc/default/grub by rebooting and editing the linux line (press e in GRUB)
[17:05] <jiffe> anyone used checkinstall before?  it looks like it tries to automatically install after build?
[17:06] <zzarr> right, I will test that
[17:06] <duffman> ikonia, how can I load or check to see if it is loaded
[17:06] <ikonia> lsmod / modprobe
[17:06] <glitsj16> zzarr: backlight support stuff is very hardware dependent, it's one of the 'usual suspects' to try
[17:07] <zzarr> okey
[17:08] <duffman> I don't see it loaded
[17:08] <duffman> looking for anything with hfs in it
[17:10] <glitsj16> jiffe: you can use the  --install=no commandline switch or change default in /etc/checkinstallrc
[17:10] <kikero> I am running Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS and I have a few problems. One of them is that the wireless connection works very well on some networks, while on others it lags a lot. i.e. internet works and at a good speed, but from time to time, requests are pending for a minute or so before returning anything
[17:11] <duffman> and sudo modprobe hfsplus returns nothing
[17:12] <buggaboosanchez> glitsj16: Thanks.  Do you know if those version numbers are supposed to correspond to the eclipse versioning or is it some translation into u different versioning system (ubuntu's)?  Also, do you know if repositories like that one are checked in any way?
[17:12] <buggaboosanchez> ^ checked that it is safe and from a safe source I mean
[17:13] <glitsj16> buggaboosanchez: by definition PPA's are not audited by official ubuntu channels, that's a given.. versioning should follow upstream though
[17:14] <duffman> yeah, I can mount the recovery partions which is HFS+ fine
[17:14] <duffman> just not the data one
[17:14] <glitsj16> buggaboosanchez: that's why PPA's are not supported here, meaning that you will have to contact the PPA maintainer via launchpad in case of issues
[17:16] <buggaboosanchez> This: https://eclipse.org/subversive/latest-releases.php <--  eclipse site page seems seems to indicate that 4.0.5*  is the latest official release? But the version listed in that repo is 4.7* ?
[17:16] <zzarr> glitsj16, sorry, that did not work
[17:16] <buggaboosanchez> glitsj16: That's why I wanted to install the package via an 'eclipse' domain download (or one of their trusted partners.
[17:17] <glitsj16> zzarr: well, there's more things you can try, look at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Backlight
[17:17] <buggaboosanchez> Yet - there is no *-inst file present.  So I cam here to see if I can get help to perform the instlalation
[17:17] <buggaboosanchez> *came*
[17:18] <buggaboosanchez> hence, my original question
[17:19] <zzarr> glitsj16, the problem is that /sys/class/backlight/ is empty
[17:20] <zzarr> there could be a bios option somewhere that should be checked/unchecked
[17:21] <glitsj16> zzarr: I don't know, but I think that /sys folder will only be there if your hardware supports it, which is the reason so many machines need special care sadly enough
[17:22] <buggaboosanchez> Lets try this another way...
[17:22] <glitsj16> buggaboosanchez: I get your initial question much better now.. oerheks gave another option above
[17:22] <zzarr> okey
[17:22] <buggaboosanchez> glitsj16: oh - thank you I did not see that and I will scroll up to look for it  :)
[17:23] <glitsj16> :) lost in translation, happens all the time on IRC
[17:27] <zzarr> what is pwmchip, does it have anything to do with backlight?
[17:28] <zzarr> (I know that pwm is pulse wave modulation)
[17:28] <buggaboosanchez> oerheks: THank you  - I didn't see you question until a few min ago when it was pointed out to me. I'm looking at that article now
[17:33] <buggaboosanchez> oerheks: Do you happen to know the difference between the jave developer edition and the ee (enterprise) edition?
[17:33] <glitsj16> zzarr: it might, the arch wiki page I linked too has more info on that, for intel i915 only apparently
[17:41] <zzarr> I have a i915 device :)
[17:41] <zzarr> so it's spot on
[17:45] <glitsj16> hopefully you get it working, pretty irritating when you can't control screen brightness
[17:46] <zzarr> yepp
[17:46] <zzarr> especially if it's a 450 nits screen
[18:04] <Richard_Cavell> In the VICE emulator, sound output options include pulse/alsa/oss etc.  What are these known as?  Sound libraries??
[18:07] <buggaboosanchez> lost my internet connnection for a min - sorry
[18:08] <Richard_Cavell> And which of them are available on Ubuntu?
[18:08] <BluesKaj> Richard_Cavell,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Linux_Sound_Architecture
[18:10] <Richard_Cavell> Okay so perhaps we'll call them sound device APIs or something
[18:28] <Kobaz> [12:45:20] <oerheks> Novice201y, ignore Kobaz bad advise, and reinstall
[18:28] <Kobaz> oerheks: just because you're unfamiliar with the advice, doesn't mean it's bad
[18:28] <Kobaz> oerheks: just because it challanges norms of culteral thinking... doesn't mean it's bad
[18:29] <Kobaz> *cultural.. spelling is not my specialty today
[18:30] <oerheks> Kobaz, yes it is bad. if any ppa is involved, the user ends up with an issue.
[18:30] <Kobaz> the end user has an issue no matter what
[18:30] <oerheks> really, bad advise is not wanted here, and you are warned now.
[18:30] <Kobaz> it's all about having options
[18:31] <Kobaz> warn those who provide *advice* and assistance, great way to make friends
[18:32] <Kobaz> anyway, you can ignore me.. i
[18:32] <Kobaz> 'll ignore you... that's fine
[18:32] <Kobaz> we'll carry on and be merry
[18:36] <konrados> Hello! I wanted to add a simple command to my autostart, i.e. whenever the system starts, I want it to be executed. The command is setxkbmap -option altwin:ctrl_win - it maps my left "super" key to left control. And yes - it works well when done just like that in a terminal. I want it to start with the system, so found that I should add it to /etc/rc.local which I did, but it just doesn't work, i.e. I don't see the effect. Why? And where should
[18:36] <konrados> I add it then?
[18:36] <EriC^^> konrados: which distro are you using?
[18:36] <konrados> EriC^^, xenial with kde
[18:37] <buggaboosanchez> I'm having a lot of problems installing / using CDT in the Java-ee version of eclipse. I'm not just new to eclipse, but I'm new to ide's in general. I could really use some help getting this set up please.
[18:37] <brainwash> konrados: rc.local is read by root before any graphical session is started
[18:37] <EriC^^> konrados: search the menu for something along the lines of startup apps
[18:37] <Kobaz> konrados: x isn't necessarily started when rc.local is running
[18:37] <EriC^^> konrados: or make your own file in ~/.config/autostart/something.desktop that does it based on another file you find there
[18:38] <konrados> brainwash, EriC^^ Kobaz - thank you!
[18:38] <konrados> But, btw, isn't there a general linux way, not ubuntu one?
[18:38] <Kobaz> yeah
[18:38] <glitsj16> Richard_Cavell: oss is the oldest sound architecture for linux, superseded by alsa .. both of those tie directly into the linux kernel through hardware drivers/interfaces .. pulseaudio/jack operate in userland and are conventionaly called 'sound servers', routing different inputs to low-level devices .. all of those are available in ubuntu.. how's that for complexity and a pletora of choices? :)
[18:38] <Kobaz> konrados:  .xinitrc
[18:39] <Kobaz> konrados: depends on your specific X setup, but in general, something like that
[18:39] <Richard_Cavell> glitsj16: Is any one of them preferred?  I am using the VICE C64 emulator
[18:39] <ducasse> konrados: if you use a dm, add it to ~/.xsessionrc
[18:40] <konrados> ducasse, - thanks !
[18:40] <brainwash> konrados: ~/.config/autostart it the general way of doing it. many desktop environments do start applications this way
[18:40] <brainwash> is
[18:40] <buggaboosanchez> sorry have to go - will return w/ question later - thanks
[18:40] <glitsj16> Richard_Cavell: these days, usually pulseaudio/alsa
[18:40] <Kobaz> yeah some do, some dont
[18:40] <Richard_Cavell> ok
[18:41] <konrados> Kobaz, I found /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc - is this what you meant?
[18:41] <Kobaz> no, that's your global one
[18:41] <Kobaz> per-user is ~/.xinitrc  or ~/.xessionrc
[18:41] <Kobaz> i usually symlink one to the other so then it doesn't matter how you launch
[18:41] <Kobaz> via login manager, or via startx
[18:41] <konrados> ko, thanks!
[18:41] <ducasse> konrados: xinitrc is for xinit/startx, it's not sourced when you use a display manager to log in
[18:43] <Kobaz> konrados: how are you logging in? gdm? or startx?
[18:43] <konrados> thanks everyone!
[18:43] <ioria> konrados, you can also use a lightdm hook
[18:43] <konrados> Kobaz, I have no idea :) I didn't change anything in that matter, so it is as it is by default in KUbuntu :)
[18:43] <konrados> ioria, thanks, wow, so many options :)
[18:44] <Kobaz> okay, so you're using a manager... so yeah.. use .xessionrc
[18:44] <ioria> konrados, another .... in .profile :þ
[18:44] <Kobaz> my 's' key is dieing
[18:44] <Kobaz> .xsessionrc
[18:44] <konrados> ok :) thanks again!
[18:47] <Kobaz> you could also write a cron job that detects whether an x session is logged in and then fire off the setxkbmap
[18:47] <Kobaz> probably link it into one of those cloud automation platforms
[18:48] <konrados> :)
[18:49] <Kobaz> and then link it into Slack, so you'll get notifications that it's set
[18:49] <raidghost> the tvtunercard is propper installed. Tvheadend is installed propper, And softcam is been configured as expected. but still "Encrypted channel"
[18:49] <raidghost> Gets the feeling of smashing the computer with a hammer.
[18:49] <Kobaz> raidghost: you might want to provide some sort of context, not everyone was here/payingattention when you brought your original issue
[18:51] <raidghost> Kobaz: trying to get my tvtunercard (DVB-C) to encrypt channels from my softcam server (Where my subscription card from CABLE company is placed)
[18:51] <Kobaz> konrados: there was a great article on all the cloud integration and/or platform/services type stuff, where it's like. oh you want to write a web service?  Why don't you just use docker and kubnernetes, fire up some aws instances and then synchronize everything with yada yada
[18:51] <Kobaz> it's like dude. i just want to generate a 10 line xml file
[18:52] <Kobaz> i wish i saved the link, i can't find it
[18:53] <konrados> I believe you, seen articles like these :) Anyway, time to test my new autostart command, see ya!
[19:01] <Kobaz> raidghost: that sounds like a question for the group that handles tv tuner software/drivers... what apps are you using?
[19:21] <konrados> hi again. Just to be sure, Xbindkeys is not something present by default in ubuntu right? *I* installed it? And now, when not needed, I can sudo apt-get purge xbindkeys
[19:21] <konrados> right?
[19:21] <ducasse> konrados: right
[19:22] <konrados> cool, thanks ducasse!
[20:07] <alexandre9099> hi, does the minimal image bring ssh activated on boot? (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD)
[20:11] <ducasse> alexandre9099: you need to start it from the installer menu
[20:11] <alexandre9099> ducasse: hmm, isn't there any way to set it to start on boot before booting?
[20:11] <alexandre9099> i don't have a screen on my computer
[20:11] <alexandre9099> but i want to use the serial port of it
[20:12] <ducasse> alexandre9099: unsure if it runs a getty on serial ports, you could try
[20:13] <alexandre9099> no, i want to connect to the mobo trough ssh and then use the serial port on the mobo to "sniff" a router boot log
[20:13] <oerheks> only ubuntu-core gives ssh, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/16/stable/ but you need to open an account first  https://www.ubuntu.com/core
[20:14] <ducasse> alexandre9099: yes, but you might be able to use serial first to start ssh
[20:14] <alexandre9099> oerheks: that image is too big :/
[20:14] <alexandre9099> ducasse: how? i don't have any serial to usb adapter :D
[20:14] <ducasse> ah :)
[20:15] <brunch> quick question: does update-grub regenerate initramfs?
[20:15] <alexandre9099> if i had i would just plug it into my laptop and use it :)
[20:15] <ducasse> brunch: no
[20:16] <alexandre9099> i'll download the image and mess arround to see if i can set ssh to start on boo
[20:16] <brunch> ducasse: Thanks! I take it I just need to sudo update-initramfs now
[20:17] <ducasse> alexandre9099: are you planning to do an install, or do you just want a live session?
[20:17] <alexandre9099> live session
[20:17] <EriC^^> alexandre9099: do it blind
[20:18] <alexandre9099> well i could, but i don't even know how it boots, does it boot with root?
[20:18] <alexandre9099> on a console
[20:18] <alexandre9099> ?
[20:18] <alexandre9099> also dhcpcd gets executed on boot?
[20:21] <alexandre9099> from what i'm seeing the boot menu has something to choose cli or gui install :/
[20:22] <alexandre9099> so the system is on initrd?
[20:36] <alexandre9099> hmm, there is no ssh on the minimal install image
[20:39] <azaki> so i upgraded from 16.04 (xenial) to 17.04 (zesty), and now my wired ethernet connection isn't working out of the box anymore, i have to basically login as root and run dhclient to start dhcp, and then it works... =o
[20:39] <azaki> anyone have an idea of which service may be disabled or something? there doesn't seem to be a dhclient.service .. so i imagine maybe it's started by some other systemd service file?
[20:39] <ducasse> alexandre9099: there should be a udeb or whatever the installer uses
[20:40] <alexandre9099> well, it is a net installer, so maybe it gets downloaded :/
[20:40] <alexandre9099> i'll try to use http://minimal.linux-bg.org/ , let's see how it goes :D
[20:41] <azaki> in 'systemctl status' i see that NetworkManager.service is enabled and active (running) .. so i don't think this is the problem
[20:41] <alexandre9099> try to start dhcpcd service
[20:42] <TJ-> azaki: what is the interface name? has it changed from an ethX style to a hardware-location style (enpXsYfZ) ?
[20:43] <azaki> TJ-: it seems to be eth0 right now.
[20:43] <azaki> this is after i've started dhclient manually as i mentioned above.
[20:44] <azaki> alexandre9099: no such service. dhcpcd is a different dhcp daemon, seems like ubuntu uses dhclient instead
[20:44] <tomreyn> azaki: how did you upgrade from 16.04 to 17.04 ?
[20:44] <azaki> tomreyn: do-release-upgrade
[20:44] <alexandre9099> azaki: hmm ok (i usually use arch, i was just passing by :) )
[20:44] <tomreyn> azaki: okay, twice then, right?
[20:45] <TJ-> azaki: check the name of the interface DEVIC in the NetworkManager configuration: "nmcli con"
[20:45] <azaki> tomreyn: no, i think it's designed to upgrade you to the latest *supported* release, and since 16.10 ended support recently, it skipped it and put me on 17.04
[20:46] <tomreyn> azaki: hmm i guess it probably does, i didn't think of that.
[20:46] <tomreyn> check syslog about dhcp then
[20:46] <azaki> TJ-: 'nmcli con' doesn't show anything except "NAME  UUID  TYPE  DEVICE" and it's just blank after that. =o
[20:46] <azaki> no entries
[20:47] <tomreyn> grep NetworkManager /var/log/syslog
[20:47] <TJ-> azaki: OK, so that means that NM isn't managing connections for the device
[20:47] <TJ-> azaki: are the connections defined via ifupdown in /etc/network/interfaces (or /etc/network/interfaces.d/* ) ?
[20:47] <tomreyn> skip my command then
[20:48] <TJ-> azaki: or, the other alternative, maybe they're defined for systemd-networkd in /etc/systemd/network/ ?
[20:48] <ducasse> azaki: that's not how it has worked before (you needed to go via any eol releases), but that might have changed without me hearing about it
[20:48]  * TJ- finds his head swimming with all these competing network configuration systems!
[20:48] <azaki> nothing in either of those directories
[20:49] <tomreyn> do you have a  non-empty /etc/network/interfaces ?
[20:52] <azaki> ducasse: maybe.. in any case i didn't do anything weird. i edited /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades  and set to "Prompt=normal" otherwise it wasn't going to let me upgrade, except to another lts release.
[20:52] <azaki> ducasse: and it just gave me zesty. =o
[20:52] <azaki> auto lo
[20:52] <azaki> iface lo inet loopback
[20:52] <azaki> tomreyn: ^
[20:52] <azaki> those two lines are in /etc/network/interfaces
[20:53] <tomreyn> thats fine
[20:53] <tomreyn> but then you don't seem to have anything ahndling your NIC
[20:53] <azaki> oh, i forgot to highlight TJ- earlier, there was nothing in those directories you mentioned. =o
[20:55] <azaki> tomreyn: i assume out of the box that it should be networkmanager right?
[20:56] <azaki> i wonder what configuration i'm missing
[20:56] <TJ-> azaki: OK, if there's nothing in /etc/network/interfaces.d/ either, then we have to assume that NM was previsouly creating a dynamic connection possibly named "Wired Connection 1" or similar
[20:56] <TJ-> azaki: so, if you have GUI use the nm-applet to define a connection using the interface, or if on CLI use nmtui (ncurses based connection editor) to do the same
[20:58] <azaki> TJ-: can you imagine why it wouldn't "just work" though? like i'm sure this isn't supposed to be the out of the box experience for an ethernet connection right?
[20:58] <azaki> obviously for wifi it's different since you have to enter a password oftentimes
[20:59] <TJ-> azaki: I've ceased ever wondering such things! I worked through the night chasing Gremlins out of several bits of hardware and software and I still don't know what caused the issues!
[20:59] <azaki> lol, ok i'll give this a shot.
[20:59] <TJ-> azaki: I'd start by looking at /var/log/syslog though, especially at the NetworkManager log reports
[20:59] <azaki> thanks for telling me about nmtui, that's pretty useful, i was actually wondering if there was something more than nmcli for networkmanager
[20:59] <TJ-> azaki: Yes, it's very handy
[21:00] <TJ-> azaki: NM should be activating private instances of both dnsmasq (for DNS) and dhclient (for DHCP)
[21:01] <azaki> private? as in started by the user in question rather than root?
[21:02] <TJ-> azaki: also, check NM's config to ensure it's not been set to not manage interfaces. /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
[21:02] <TJ-> azaki: no, NM starts and controls them over sockets or DBus.
[21:03] <azaki> [ifupdown]
[21:03] <azaki> managed=false
[21:03] <azaki> uhm, this?
[21:03] <azaki> the [main] section has "plugins=ifupdown,keyfile" (without the quotes, obviously)
[21:03] <TJ-> azaki: that is the correct setting. It means, if NM sees /etc/network/interfaces has definitions for interfaces NM will leave those alone
[21:04] <TJ-> azaki: that's correct; a default config then
[21:04] <TJ-> azaki: "nmcli device" list all the interfaces?
[21:05] <azaki> eth0    ethernet  unmanaged  --
[21:05] <azaki> i just finished setting up a connection in nmtui though, maybe it's conflicting with the dhclient i started manually.
[21:05] <TJ-> azaki: Aha!
[21:05] <azaki> i'll reboot now
[21:06] <TJ-> azaki: "unmanaged" means NM found something else managing that itnerface
[21:06] <azaki> (this is a different machine btw, so i can stay on irc even while i test this other box)
[21:08] <TJ-> azaki: this is what I see for example: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25550938/
[21:14] <azaki> TJ-: yeah, upon reboot mine still says unmanaged
[21:15] <azaki> so now i have to figure what else is managing the interface.. it's possible that previous versions of ubuntu did this differently and so a service may be enabled that shouldn't be enabled..
[21:16] <tomreyn> i would nt expect the NIC handling methodology to have changed between 16.04 and 17.04.
[21:16] <tomreyn> *nOt
[21:17] <azaki> well nm seems to not want to manage this interface which is odd
[21:17] <TJ-> azaki: the previous way was /etc/network/interfaces, /etc/network/interfaces.d/*
[21:17] <TJ-> azaki: is the MAC address of the interface changing?
[21:18] <azaki> TJ-: mac is the same as it was on previous boot =o
[21:19] <TJ-> azaki: is there a file /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[21:23] <azaki> TJ-: yes
[21:24] <azaki> looks like a rule to keep this device named 'eth0'
[21:24] <TJ-> azaki: so that'll be responsible for naming the interface "eth0" then
[21:25] <azaki> SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="mymacaddress", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0", ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth0"
[21:25] <azaki> i edited my mac address out
[21:25] <azaki> but this is basically what it looks like
[21:26] <azaki> TJ-: is this how it's supposed to be out of the box, or is this file left over from previous installs?
[21:26] <azaki> it says it was generated by /lib/udev/write_net_rules
[21:28] <TJ-> azaki: that's all standard
[21:28] <tomreyn> TJ-: looks like 16.04 -> 17.04 is a single step upgrade indeed: http://i.imgur.com/1DBo7NA.png
[21:28] <TJ-> azaki: it avoids systems with multiple NICs having their names swapped on different boot
[21:29] <TJ-> azaki: can you share the system's /var/lgo/syslog for me? either upload the file somewhere (if it is LARGE) or pastebinit
[21:30] <azaki> TJ-: can i cat a file directly into pastebinit ?
[21:30] <azaki> like cat /var/log/syslog | pastebinit
[21:30] <TJ-> azaki: "pastebinit /var/log/syslog"
[21:31] <tomreyn> text variant fo the above http://i.imgur.com/CXJafUo.png
[21:31] <azaki> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25551064/
[21:32] <azaki> tomreyn: did you install 16.04 in a VM to try this, or did you already happen to have an LTS machine to try it on? lol
[21:32] <TJ-> azaki: "dhclient[2421]: can't create /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient.leases: Permission denied"
[21:32] <TJ-> azaki: line 2289
[21:33] <TJ-> azaki: and above that line 2281: "NetworkManager[843]: <info>  [1505596278.0264] audit: op="connection-activate" uuid="5d5ef55f-0267-4d6d-b013-a02e5af000f5" name="Ethernet connection 1" pid=2402 uid=1001 result="fail" reason="Connection 'Ethernet connection 1' is not available on the device eth0 at this time."
[21:34] <azaki> TJ-: yeah that's actually the new connection i made in nmtui just before
[21:34] <azaki> so i would expect that line to either not be there, or be different if i hadn't made that connection
[21:34] <azaki> (referring to the network manager line)
[21:36] <azaki> as for the dhclient line.. hm.. ok, so that's interesting, it's running this as a user?
[21:37] <TJ-> azaki: I'm back up to where NM starts, around line 1136
[21:37] <azaki> the dhclient line may be false positive because i tried running it as normal user by mistake just a sec ago after logging in. so that's probably not from when it booted.
[21:37] <azaki> TJ-: ok
[21:38] <TJ-> azaki: that'd explain those messages then
[21:39] <TJ-> azaki: Line 1147 looks like where the useful info starts
[21:44] <azaki> TJ-: i'm not familiar much with network manager but i don't see anything suspicious from there. i'm scrolling down and reading though..
[21:44] <tomreyn> azaki: i had a 16.04.3 VM which i tried this on (with snapshotting, so i can just discard the result)
[21:44] <TJ-> azaki: no clues I can spot. The only thing I can imagine right now is that there has been a change of behaviour in NM between 16.04 and 17.04. Whereas it previously would auto-connect to available interfaces maybe with 17.04 it doesn't
[21:45] <azaki> well, even then, the fact that i created a connection and it still doesn't work is odd.
[21:45] <azaki> when i try to 'activate' the connection i made in nmtui on a fresh boot
[21:45] <azaki> it says it's "not available" or something
[21:46] <azaki> which seems to mesh with what you said earlier about how it seems to think something else is managing eth0
[21:46] <azaki> and so it's 'unmanaged'
[21:46] <TJ-> azaki: is the root file-system ZFS?
[21:46] <azaki> no. ext4
[21:47] <TJ-> azaki: ooooo "from NetworkManager 1.2.4 (ubuntu 16.10) all non-wifi/wwan device are treated as unmanaged"
[21:47] <azaki> :o
[21:47] <TJ-> bug #1638842
[21:49] <TJ-> azaki: comment #16 there confirms your situation
[21:50] <azaki> oh, i see it says fix committed but not released
[21:50] <TJ-> azaki: here's a workaround: comment out the content (prefix each line with #) of the file /usr/lib/NetworkManager/conf.d/10-globally-managed-devices.conf (you'll need to use sudo... to edit it of course)
[21:50] <azaki> so when it's released then an update should fix it i guess
[21:50] <TJ-> azaki: or, wait, better still, lets divert it!
[21:51] <TJ-> azaki: "sudo dpkg-divert --divert /usr/lib/NewtworkManager/conf.d/10-globally-managed-devices.conf.ignore --rename /usr/lib/NewtworkManager/conf.d/10-globally-managed-devices.conf "
[21:51] <TJ-> azaki: then try "sudo systemctl restart network-manager.service"
[21:52] <azaki> by the way, this is the bug report i was talking about when i mentioned "fix committed" https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1676547
[21:53] <TJ-> azaki: right, but then it was re-opened when this 16.04>17.04 issue was detected
[21:53] <TJ-> azaki: the fix was committed for later fresh installs, not the upgrade path
[21:54] <azaki> ah, i thought there was a distinction between released and comitted
[21:54] <TJ-> azaki: an alternative tothe dpkg-divert is simply "sudo touch /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/10-globally-managed-devices.conf" which will override the system-installed one with a blank file
[21:54] <TJ-> azaki: assuming that file doesn't exist, then touch creates an empty file, which does nothing
[21:54] <azaki> i thought comitted meant it was comitted to source code or something and that released meant it shipped.
[21:55] <TJ-> azaki: I suspect you're sorted now, after doing one of those 2 workarounds
[21:56] <azaki> TJ-: i'm familiar with commenting stuff and doing things as root (i used slack and gentoo for many years), but i'm less familiar with dpkg-divert since i'm not as used to debian-based distros
[21:56] <azaki> trying to figure out what it does exactly
[21:56] <TJ-> azaki: it tells the package manager to rename the original file and do the same to any file subsequently installed by any package
[21:56] <TJ-> azaki: it means the package manager never gets confused when files go missing
[21:57] <TJ-> azaki: it 'diverts' the original file to a new name
[21:57] <TJ-> azaki: so any program looking for the original file won't find it
[21:57] <eduardocandido85> algum brasileiro para ajudar?]
[21:57] <oerheks> !br
[21:57] <azaki> ah, ok, that makes sense. so in your example before the ".ignore" file would be the new name
[21:58] <TJ-> azaki: no, the renamed file just has the additional ".ignore" tacked on
[21:58] <azaki> TJ-: yeah that's what i meant, i didn't want to type the whole name. =p
[21:59] <TJ-> azaki: without the "--rename" the original file would stay in place but any NEW installs of the same file by other packages would use the new name
[21:59] <azaki> i'm still curious how they managed to fix it for fresh installs though, do they just divert the filename out of the box or something?
[21:59] <lol768> Is there a unicode channel? Why don't the cat related emoji have modifiers for fur colour/markings
[22:00] <TJ-> azaki: i think there are 2 different types of fixes. the original bug is in the actual code. Your's is a a problem of not handling the distro release upgrade correctly by ignoring the state of the existing connections
[22:00] <oerheks> lol768, try #unicode ?
[22:00] <TJ-> azaki: so the solution to your issue is actually in the debian packaging scripts, not the NM code
[22:01] <oerheks> !alis
[22:01] <TJ-> azaki: obviously, once you've upgraded that will no longer fix things, hence the workaround options I've given you. Have you tested them yet?
[22:01] <azaki> TJ-: i will in a moment.
[22:02] <TJ-> azaki: I'd go for the 'touch' solution rather than dpkg-divert, having thought about it
[22:03] <azaki> wait, won't touch just change the timestamp, for an existing file =o
[22:04] <azaki> touch creates new files if they don't exist, but for existing files it just updates the modification time, right?
[22:05] <notbobdole> ayylmao
[22:05] <notbobdole> So I'm running without swap - 12GB ram. This is a work machine, and I often will end up running out of memory
[22:06] <notbobdole> When this happens, unput stop, and onlything I can do is wait a while for the system to start killing processes for me (usually browser)
[22:06] <oerheks> azaki, yes, "Update  the  access  and modification times of each FILE to the current time."
[22:06] <notbobdole> is there anything I can do to force linux to reserve memory for input handling? So I might able to selectively kill something when I hit max memory
[22:06] <notbobdole> I don't care if my applications hang for a minute while I do that, but the entire system being locked is driving me up the wall
[22:07] <TJ-> azaki: yes, touch will do that, but there isn't a file under /etc/NetworkManager/ so it creates an empty one
[22:07] <TJ-> azaki: the system file is under /usr/lib/
[22:08] <ethanphilpott> Hello, I was just curious if anyone could help me with a problem I am having with my dell xps 9550 regarding raid?
[22:09] <TJ-> ethanphilpott: try us
[22:10] <azaki> TJ-: ah, i see, so the idea is to have the one in /etc override the one in /usr/lib which is provided by the package, and gets auto-updated
[22:10] <TJ-> azaki: yeah, which avoids messing with the actual package
[22:10] <azaki> that makes sense. i'll give that a try.
[22:12] <ethanphilpott> So, my laptop has a raid mode and ahci mode. I believe the raid mode utilizes intel rst. However, when I go to install ubuntu 17.04 (which I need for work) it does not detect the ssd in raid mode. I can get it to work in AHCI, but as far as I am aware raid mode helps increase performance and battery life according to some docs I have read so I prefer to use that. I read an intel white paper talking about how intel rst works in
[22:13] <ethanphilpott> have not been able to find any real documentation on how to get it to work on my laptop. So, is anyone aware of how to get intel rst working on ubuntu 17.04?
[22:14] <azaki> TJ-: that worked. thanks for your help and patience. =)
[22:14] <oerheks> ethanphilpott, the uefi manual says disable srt, and raid with one disk/ssd is not really working faster.
[22:14] <oerheks> !uefi
[22:14] <ethanphilpott> Also, another question I have been wondering about. My laptop uses killer wireless 1535 bluetooth, but while bluetooth is detected by the system and I can find and connect to devices it does not seem to work properly. For example, when I connect it to my headphones no sound it outputted and it does not work well.
[22:14] <TJ-> azaki: you're welcome; I suspect we'll see many more folks hit by that
[22:15] <azaki> and sorry for asking too many questions, i like to learn/understand what i'm doing when i do stuff. =)
[22:15] <ethanphilpott> Oh okay  thank you
[22:15] <notbobdole> Maybe I'll just look at setting a gig of ram as swap. Would suck but ah well.
[22:15] <oerheks> ethanphilpott,  for that wifi/bt combo, maybe this page is any help > https://askubuntu.com/a/794798
[22:15] <oerheks> newer firmware
[22:16] <ethanphilpott> okay I will check it out
[22:16] <ethanphilpott> Also, in that forum post linked for srt in the docs you linked if I read it correctly you can turn srt back on after install and it will work?
[22:16] <oerheks> ethanphilpott,  or the dell page http://www.dell.com/support/article/nl/nl/nlbsdt1/sln306440/xps-13-9360-ubuntu--killer-n1535-wireless-manual-firmware-update?lang=en
[22:17] <Loshki> notbobdole: something here about adjusting 'swappiness' that might be relevant
[22:17] <Loshki> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/12520499/linux-how-to-lock-the-pages-of-a-process-in-memory
[22:17] <ethanphilpott> Thank you for your help!
[22:18] <notbobdole> Loshki, Right.. I've run systems for a while now without swap, and haven't encountered the level of failure I have recently
[22:18] <thiras> is there a problem at launchpad?
[22:19] <notbobdole> Swappiness sounds familiar. I'll double check I've got that set up right
[22:19] <TJ-> ethanphilpott: Intel Rapid Storage Technology (RST) is only really any use if the system has multiple devices. It contains an AHCI and proprietary multi-disk RAID driver
[22:19] <oerheks> thiras, not that i know of, what problem do you encounter?
[22:19] <tomreyn> TJ-, azaki: my 16.04.3 -> 17.04 desktop upgrade just finished, and my NIC is now unmanaged
[22:19] <TJ-> azaki: I love having learners around, it means the knowledge gets shared
[22:19] <thiras> oerheks, my ppa's doesn't get update right now
[22:19] <TJ-> tomreyn: right, and "touch ..."  I cannot connect to ppa.launchpad.net
[22:22] <TJ-> thiras: on a command line try "tracepath ppa.launchpad.net"
[22:23] <tomreyn> TJ-: yes, fixed
[22:23] <thiras> It's weird I can reach until canonicals servers
[22:24] <TJ-> thiras: there might be some overnight (London time) server work going on
[22:24] <oerheks> thiras, i found you, but no projects.. https://launchpad.net/~thiras
[22:24] <thiras> hopefully nothing big TJ-
[22:25] <TJ-> thiras: I can tracepath to ppa.launchpad.net from the UK, so it may be path-related.
[22:25] <thiras> yeah may be
[22:26] <thiras> weird
[22:28] <lucas-arg> hey all
[22:29] <lucas-arg> i need a statistic software to work with, any one know any good software for that??
[22:30] <lucas-arg> cant find any in the ubuntu software center
[22:33] <oerheks> tons of them, https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/search/?q=statistic&op=
[22:34] <TJ-> lucas-arg: the R language has several packages providing interfaces to statistics libraries. Depends on what you're actually wanting to do
[22:36] <tomreyn> lucas-arg: apt-cache depends science-statistics
[22:42] <lucas-arg> medical statistics
[22:43] <vithiri> lucas-arg, no idea what that is. If you can link some commonly used softwares, perhaps someone can suggest something.
[22:44] <lucas-arg> spss
[22:44] <lucas-arg> from IBM
[22:47] <lucas-arg> found pspp but its not as powerfull as spss
[22:47] <vithiri> lucas-arg, unless there are further suggestions here, with everything from statistical analysis and reporting to optimizing the hiring process, I'd go with the IBM solution.
[22:47] <wgrant> TJ-, thiras, oerheks: We're just completing some maintenance on ppa.launchpad.net. It will go away for 10-15 minutes again shortly.
[22:47] <lucas-arg> even though there is a linux version of spss but, wanted to try some opensource soft
[22:47] <thiras> thanks wgrant
[22:47] <TJ-> wgrant: what happened to the status.admin.canonical.com service? I went to check it and it no longer exists
[22:48] <unkn-error> hello. can you guys tell me a tinypic or imageshack alternative?
[22:49] <oerheks> unkn-error, image hosting is not a technical ubuntu issue, imgur maybe?
[22:49] <wgrant> TJ-, that's a good question, it's meant to exist but seems to be down, unrelated to this. I'll investigate.
[22:49] <unkn-error> thank you oerheks
[22:49] <wgrant> https://twitter.com/launchpadstatus is still up, though :)
[22:50] <notbobdole> Loshki, Not sure what is going on actually
[22:50] <notbobdole> I just looked, and I've got 4GB of ram used idle
[22:52] <TJ-> wgrant: %%^$^^$! twitter :p
[22:53] <Loshki> notbobdole: I'm using 5G ram according to conky, running chromium-browser and emacs, so that sounds plausible
[22:53] <wgrant> TJ-: I can't disagree with that.
[22:54] <notbobdole> Loshki, isn't that.. .kinda excessive? I mean I'm used to my linux systems using 1.2G and thinking that is a lot
[22:54] <oerheks>  file storage will be unavailable for up to three hours from 21:00 UTC on Saturday September 16.
[22:54] <TJ-> oerheks: has your SSD gone on strike then?
[22:54] <oerheks> no, this is what i read on twitter .. https://twitter.com/launchpadstatus/status/908694246726656000
[22:54] <TJ-> oerheks: :D
[22:55] <oerheks> thiras ^
[22:56] <Loshki> notbobdole: I think it's excessive. Shutting down the browser drops it by 2G to 3G, still outrageous imo.
[22:57] <notbobdole> Weird thing is: every process seems to be using a ton of memory: xterm is using 760M and it is only running htop
[22:57] <notbobdole> Might swap os because nothing is making sense anymore.
[22:57] <TJ-> notbobdole: the figures include the shared libraries
[22:58] <TJ-> notbobdole: there's one instance of each library in memory, but the kernel maps it into the address space of each process that links it in
[22:58] <notbobdole> I've got no chromium open. Just hexchat, and xterm
[22:58] <notbobdole> using 3.5G atm
[22:58] <TJ-> notbobdole: how are you measuring it?
[22:58] <notbobdole> Mem:          11908        3321        6906         154        1681        8068
[22:59] <notbobdole> well 3.3G in free -m, htop said 3.5 /shrug
[22:59] <TJ-> notbobdole: have you read http://www.linuxatemyram.com/
[23:00] <notbobdole> Very familiar. Thing is, 11G total, and only 8G available accoridng to free. I've never had this insane of usage idle before on a system.
[23:01] <paulx> I want to delay all audio coming out of the computer by 10 seconds. How do I do that?
[23:01] <TJ-> notbobdole: much of that 3G probably due to disk cache buffers
[23:01] <notbobdole> mistyped. 12G total, and 8G avialbe
[23:01] <TJ-> paulx: I believe PulseAudio has a module for that
[23:01] <paulx> TJ- really?
[23:01] <notbobdole> cache buvvers would be in the buff/cache column and not takin away from my 'available' column in free
[23:02] <paulx> TJ- do you have some more details for me? I have been unable to find anything that works.
[23:02] <TJ-> paulx: I recall reading of a broadcast radio station using it to insert the broadcast delay for censoring profanity. I also know the loopback module can insert a delay of up to 2 seconds
[23:02] <malkauns> any suggestions on a cheap ATI gfx card that supports 4k (@ at least 30hz), for 4k video playback only (no games)?  prefer ATI over nvidia for the on-chip h265 decoding
[23:02] <paulx> TJ- I need at least 10 seconds
[23:04] <notbobdole> am I missin something TJ- https://imgur.com/a/087R8
[23:07] <TJ-> paulx: Hmmm, the live broadcast delay might have been courtesy of Jack
[23:08] <paulx> TJ- I heard this ca work: pactl set-port-latency-offset <INTERFACE> iec958-stereo 13000000 but it gives me an error
[23:09] <TJ-> paulx: that assumes there's an iec958 interface of course
[23:09] <TJ-> notbobdole: what do you think you're missing? I don't see anything amiss
[23:10] <paulx> TJ- I know for a fact that the following commands performs correctly: pacmd set-card-profile 0 output:analog-stereo
[23:10] <Loshki> notbobdole: I'm not very experienced at these things. How do your RSS sizes look. Something like "ps axl | sort -rn --key=8.1" to sort on RSS (the eighth field, counting from one)
[23:14] <notbobdole> Loshki, the 8th column summed is: 469292
[23:16] <notbobdole> Which I would understand to be 470 megs..
[23:16] <Loshki> notbobdole: I'm near the limit of my knowledge. See TJ's  http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ and see if any of it applies to you.
[23:17] <notbobdole> nope. Doesn't make any sense to me. i'm already familiar with it which is kidna why I staretd asking questions.
[23:17] <notbobdole> The 3.5G usage I'm seeing by free already excludes buffers, but I'm not finding any applications which are using that memory
[23:18] <Loshki> notbobdole: not sure. I'm cribbing from https://stackoverflow.com/questions/7880784/what-is-rss-and-vsz-in-linux-memory-management :-)
[23:18] <paulx> TJ- any ideas how to find the parameters for that latency command?
[23:19] <notbobdole> going to reboot and double check ram on clean start
[23:20] <cores> i've lost keyboard, and most mouse input to my X11 session in ubuntu 17.04 gnome. i was watching a full screen video from firefox and when i came back to the computer, my input started acting funny.
[23:20] <cores> i killed firefox though ssh, but i still can't control windows
[23:21] <notbobdole> Loshki, Get this. rebooted and my memory is now back down to what I'd expect without applications running
[23:21] <notbobdole> Mem:          11908         171       11409          12         327       11458
[23:21] <notbobdole> frem free -m
[23:21] <TJ-> paulx: I've asked in #jack since I think it was in relation to that where I saw it whilst researching building a digital audio workstation for a studio
[23:22] <cores> can i clean this up without losing my entire X session?
[23:22] <cores> reload the X11 input subsystem maybe?
[23:22] <TJ-> notbobdole: now start doing some stuff that accesses the disk to read programs and data, and the RAM will be used by the kernel for buffering
[23:22] <notbobdole> TJ-, buff/cache is excluded in the used number from free
[23:23] <notbobdole> and it is included in the 'available' number from free
[23:24] <TJ-> notbobdole: if the system isn't suffering OOM kills why worry?
[23:24] <Loshki> notbobdole: that reminds me, per that web page, do you see oom messages in /var/log/*
[23:24] <TJ-> notbobdole: if you've spent money on 12GiB of RAM surely you want it used for something!
[23:25] <notbobdole> Loshki, TJ- yes, quite a lot
[23:25] <notbobdole> which is why I've been looking for what is going on ( actually came in here originally asking about how to preserve memory for the kernel keyboard input so I can kill things quickly in an oom situation)
[23:26] <notbobdole> and I was reminded to double check my swappiness setting which I set back down to 0
[23:26] <Loshki> notbobdole: we're hoping that having swap/checking swappiness will at least allow you to exit gracefully when run out of memory, but seriously, run a monitor and watch it
[23:27] <TJ-> notbobdole: you've seeing OOM kills with 8GiB unused, or some process is leaking memory until the OOM killer kicks in? I noticed 'steam' prominently in your 'top' screenshot so possibly there some memory-intensive game leaking?
[23:28] <notbobdole> TJ-, That was OOM when I was using the ram. The 8G free was with NO applications running on my system. I just did a free reboot and I'm seeing all the 11.8G free that I would expect
[23:28] <notbobdole> I was trying to find out what was using the memory
[23:28] <TJ-> notbobdole: half was disk caches and half was processes from what I saw
[23:29] <notbobdole> Except I have the same processes running now as then and I'm in the megs. Plus the Cahces are included in the available portion of the free command
[23:29] <notbobdole> which means that cache is not what was in the "used" portion of the free -m. (since free excludeds cache/buffer)
[23:29] <cores> with an xorg server running, how do i find out what value of $DISPLAY i need to set in order to talk to the X server?
[23:30] <TJ-> notbobdole: but if you want control of the OOM killer in emergencies Magic SysReq is the answer - Alt+SysReq+F or even Alt+SysReq+k - you'd need to enable usage of these because Ubuntu disables them by default
[23:30] <notbobdole> yup I enabled them, but stilld esn't tell me why I had used memory without being able to find any applications linked to the memory usage
[23:31] <TJ-> notbobdole: as i said, possibly a leaky process. I'd always suspect the most long-running, or the most greedy, for those
[23:32] <demophobia> does Links 2 save bandwidth, or only suppress downloaded image data/
[23:40] <bray90820> Is there a way to temporarily bypass a script from running at startup on boot I don't wanna totally remove it tho I just wanna boot up once without the script running
[23:50] <Ben64> bray90820: chmod -x it, or rename it, and undo it next time
[23:51] <blkadder> If it is managed under systemd systemctl disable application.service
[23:52] <Loshki> cores: the principal display is usually at localhost:0, sometimes abbreviated to just ":0". Try that first. Usually it doesn't need setting manually.
[23:53] <TJ-> bray90820: if it's controlled by systemd, then on the kernel command-line at boot-time "systemd.mask=<name.service>"
[23:59] <TJ-> bray90820: see "man 7 kernel-command-line" for "systemd.mask="