[23:10] <stefg> CrazyGir: right.... in a server environment you usually want to get norified if a disk dies...
[23:10] <CrazyGir> milamber: nope
[23:10] <jstoone> bite, do you want me to help you write an alias ? I have an alias called "mountwin" to mount my windows partition, it's great (:
[23:11] <CrazyGir> stefg: is there no mta included in base??
[23:11] <fisix> jstoone, i'm guessing you're quebecois?
[23:11] <CrazyGir> (sorry, new to ubuntu)
[23:11] <Bite> jstoone: Why exactly would i need one? Just curiousity.
[23:11] <Jon--> How can I make it so grub updates don't automatically re-generate my grub.cfg?
[23:11] <stefg> CrazyGir: you would either have to modify the mdadm package or use some --force switch to apt
[23:11] <Bite> jstoone: and what are startup links? I one time ran a terminal command and deleted them all.
[23:12] <CrazyGir> fun stuff
[23:12] <CrazyGir> stefg: is there really no mta setup by default?
[23:12] <stefg> CrazyGir: this is ubuntu ... not debian:-)
[23:12] <mickster04> Jon--: back it up then replace it every time i guess would be easiest, why don't you want it redoing it?
[23:12] <CrazyGir> HAH!
[23:12] <CrazyGir> :)
[23:12] <wlancather> hi
[23:13] <Bite> What are startup links? boot.ini, i believe?
[23:13] <Jon--> mickster04, Because... I.. don't?
[23:13] <CrazyGir> thanks for the info stefg
[23:13] <polterge|st> quick question ... I am wanting to learn how to port rbeq plugin for the old rhythmbox to rhythmbox 2.90 in gnome 3 so that it works with current gnome-shell
[23:13] <wlancather> i nedd a helper
[23:13] <milamber> inaxio: can you run e2fsck?
[23:13] <jstoone> bite: Well if you use the terminal a lot, like i do, then it's nice to have for fast booting (:
[23:13] <polterge|st> how would this be done
[23:13] <tim167> is there any VNC VIEWER that actually WORKS on ubuntu ?
[23:13] <polterge|st> here is a pastebin of the actual py file from the plugin
[23:13] <polterge|st> http://pastebin.com/cH6uLHuP
[23:13] <Bite> jstoone: and it's still not popping up in places.
[23:13] <tim167> and that doesn't require me to read 30 man pages before getting it working?
[23:13] <wlancather> any portuguese__
[23:13] <jstoone> fisix: may i ask, where did you get that impression? :P
[23:13] <inaxio> milamber: nope
[23:14] <Sup> e essentials et
[23:14] <rshakin> hey how do i launch the ati control panel from command line ?
[23:14] <cavalier_prime> gnome-rdp
[23:14] <Sup> Does anyone know if there is a: bashrc or bash_profile alternative in the Windows envirument
[23:14] <jstoone> bite: but can you access it now?
[23:14] <milamber> Sup: best bet is ##windows
[23:14] <Bite> jstoone: The disk isn't showing up in places or the file manager, like it did before. I can still access it, but it's a lot more convienient to have in those two places.
[23:14] <Jon--> How can I make it so grub updates don't automatically re-generate my grub.cfg?
[23:15] <polterge|st> this is what I am wanting ported to gnome 3
[23:15] <polterge|st> http://code.google.com/p/rbeq/downloads/detail?name=rbeq-1.4.tar.gz&can=1&q=
[23:15] <tim167> is there a vnc viewer for ubuntu?
[23:15] <jstoone> bite: have you tried to do an old-fashion reboot? :P
[23:15] <Bite> jstoone: no. :V
[23:15] <stefg> Jon--: you don't ... you rather look at the files in /etc/grub.d and tweak them so that grub.cfg gets written how you want it
[23:15] <tim167> can i access a remote desktop from ubuntu ?
[23:16] <Bite> jstoone: what are startup links? I deleted them one time on accident.
[23:16] <Sup> Milamber: im asking in ##windows to
[23:16] <shcherbak> tim167: vnc-viewer, that how it is called
[23:16] <milamber> !patience | tim167
[23:16] <tim167> shcherbak: does it work ?
[23:16] <milamber> tim167: did you follow the documentation?
[23:16] <milamber> !vnc
[23:16] <superjoe> jstoone, a friend uses vimperator. I think I like normal firefox shortcuts better
[23:16] <superjoe> you can't beat tick search
[23:16] <superjoe> or awesome bar
[23:16] <tim167> milamber: sorry i don't have time to read 30 man pages
[23:16] <jstoone> bite: go try it out, I'll be here when you logg on again, if it fixes it please tell, 'cause i don't want to hang around for ever xD
[23:16] <Bite> I just realized that ubuntu warns if a disk is failing. yet another win for ubuntu vs windows.
[23:17] <cavalier_prime> tim167 gnome-rdp is a good vnc/remote desktop  i use it all the time to access windows machines
[23:17] <Bite> jstoone: okay then, brb.
[23:17] <shcherbak> tim167: It does. There are only two man, one for server, second for client.
[23:17] <fisix> jstoone, figured somebody who would be concerned about being criticized for incomplete mastery of the english language may have had that happen to him/herself. i could tell by ur typing english might not have been ur first language. you're in canada. all together it seemed likely ^^. am i right? haha
[23:17] <tim167> milamber: the default ubuntu VINE does not work, screen is not updated
[23:17] <tim167> cavalier_prime: thanks i'll check that
[23:17] <milamber> tim167: did you come across a bug report for that? or did you file a bug report? have you come here and asked for help at the specific point where you issue came up?
[23:18] <GatunoRox> Is there a Multiboot LiveUSB creator wich can create multiple persistences?
[23:18] <koffeehaus> tim167 - you will need vncviewer package. there are many tutorials that tell you how to do it.
[23:18] <tim167> milamber: sorry no time for reporting bugs, haha :)
[23:18] <Styper> Hey, does anyone know a software for bitrate conversion of mp3 files?
[23:18] <jstoone> bite: fisix: that's right! Good adding :D 2+2=5 right? ;)
[23:18] <shcherbak> Styper: ffmpeg?
[23:19] <stefg> Styper:  audacity, vlc
[23:19] <fisix> jstoone, LOL what >___>
[23:19] <Styper> Oh, didn't know those could do that
[23:19] <jstoone> styper: ffmpeg is highly recommended :D
[23:19] <induz> is there anyway i can mount VHD files
[23:19] <Styper> Gonna check it out, thanks guys
[23:19] <Bite> jstoone: i came to linux for the lack of constant "reboot to finish installation" menus. >:V
[23:19] <induz> they are Xp files[virtual]
[23:19] <Styper> Yeah I got it here already :D
[23:19] <shino__> hey, trying to recover a xfs partition that was deleted. testdisk is unable to do it. Are there other tools that work with xfs?
[23:19] <induz> .vhd
[23:19] <fisix> jstoone, are you going 1984 on me...
[23:19] <Bite> jstoone: so when i need to reboot linux, i be angsty.
[23:20] <stefg> Styper:  i would avoid that... lossy codecs are never good for re-encoding.
[23:20] <Bite> Apparently, i have 1 bad sector under "Reallocated Sector count." What does that mean?
[23:20] <jstoone> bite: well i just remembered that it's often enough to just logg out and in ;) hehe ups.
[23:20] <Styper> Well I have audacity aswell, gonna try it our first
[23:20] <Styper> out*
[23:21] <Styper> Thanks for the info
[23:21] <stefg> Bite: on sector died and the firmware of you hd rplaced it with a "reserve sector"
[23:21] <tim167> milamber: i found some discussions about the non updating VINE screen with links to a million man pages howto's and whatnots, ...uh... tiring and i'm on a time budget
[23:21] <shcherbak> Bite: You need to start thinking og general back-up and ned HD
[23:21] <Bite> Guys....
[23:21] <Bite> This is an -ancient- 20 gb maxtor HDD.
[23:22] <Bite> I'm surprised it has only ONE bad sector.
[23:22] <inaxio> so heres a summary of my problem: i cannot mount/fsck/umount 2 partitions.  i need to fsck these two partitions, because i can no longer boot and have these errors in dmesg -- http://pastebin.com/twQtt8RG . i am currently booted on a livecd, and i need to find a way to fsck these or make it so they arent 'in use' or anything so i can fsck them
[23:22] <stefg> Bite: donate that to the museum and get a decent drive
[23:22] <Gumby> hi all, can anyone tell me the preferred way to enable/disable upstart items?
[23:22] <jstoone> fisix: you bet it am! ;)
[23:22] <facugaich> Hi. Is there any reason for not listing the 10.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso torrent in the alternative downloads page?
[23:22] <polterge|st> does anyone in here have the slightest clue as to how to do what I mentioned a moment ago ?
[23:22] <Bite> stefg: If my server-machine-turn-pc had another sata channel, gladly.
[23:22] <polterge|st> porting rbeq to current rhythmbox in gnome 3 rather
[23:22] <polterge|st> http://code.google.com/p/rbeq/downloads/detail?name=rbeq-1.4.tar.gz&can=1&q=
[23:23] <Bite> I do have another unopened drive sitting around, but it's a caviar green from WD and supposedly fails after ~1.
[23:23] <Bite> ~1year, that it.
[23:23] <Bite> is*
[23:23] <jstoone> stefg: hehe!
[23:23] <cavalier_prime> gumby  system>startup applications
[23:23] <Bite> well, off to dinner, brb.
[23:23] <cavalier_prime> nm gumby
[23:23] <matthew_> can some one help me install this i need it to fix my display out
[23:23] <stefg> Bite: 20 Gigs.... man, that's a 16G usb-thumbdrive for a compressed backup
[23:24] <matthew_> would help if i gave the link http://wilmer.gaa.st/blog/archives/34-Change-Intel-X.org-TV-Out-margins.html
[23:24] <tim167> gnome-rdp result: (gnome-rdp:4856): Gtk-WARNING **: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page size is deprecated
[23:24] <tim167> Duplicate entries found. Deleting item 24 from keyring login
[23:24] <fisix> jstoone, lmao wait wait, so are you quebecois or not?
[23:24] <tim167>  -viewonly <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:24] <tim167> (gnome-rdp:4856): Gtk-WARNING **: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page size is deprecated
[23:24] <FloodBot1> tim167: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:24] <tim167> sweet
[23:24] <jstoone> stefg: haha! yea.. it's pretty back in the days..
[23:24] <matthew_> nvm there is a deb
[23:24] <facugaich> Where can I report an error on the ubuntu website?
[23:24] <Bite|Away> Well, I think i'll just get a SATA III 7200 RPM 500 GB from Western Digital.
[23:24] <milamber> !bug
[23:25] <polterge|st> alright I just thought I would ask about the rhythmbox thing
[23:25] <Bite|Away> Anyways, brb.
[23:25] <tim167> sorry guys i'm irritated with ubuntu today :)
[23:25] <jstoone> fisix: I am, why is this important? ;)
[23:25] <polterge|st> it needs a good eq and rhythmbox-equalizer is obsolete
[23:25] <polterge|st> and rbeq is much better anyway
[23:25] <facugaich> milamber: So, launchpad is also for ubuntu.com?
[23:25] <polterge|st> seems like a nice ui plugin to have in rhythmbox in ubuntu
[23:25] <matthew_> but its not for 64 bit so i still need help in stalling this http://wilmer.gaa.st/blog/archives/34-Change-Intel-X.org-TV-Out-margins.html
[23:25] <polterge|st> and people want ubuntu to be feature rich and easy to use ... correct ?
[23:25] <Guest11294> i have two ubuntu pc's on my network and want to share the home directory of one to the other.. how do i go about this? everything i read talks about a windows/ubuntu setup
[23:25] <polterge|st> this is why it seems like it should be of interest
[23:26] <shcherbak> polterge|st: There is nice pulseaudio equalizer (system wide).
[23:26] <tim167> can anyone help me to fix this problem: VINE screen is not refreshing...? thanks!
[23:26] <milamber> facugaich: yes
[23:26] <fisix> jstoone, just had to know.. LOL testing my own deduction skills :b . i know a bit of french, don't you guys have different abbreviated internet slang? instead of lol, brb, etc?
[23:26] <polterge|st> yeah but the issue with that is that pulseaudio-equalizer equalizes everything and is not app specific
[23:26] <shcherbak> yup
[23:26] <cavalier_prime> gumby you will have to edit your upstart scripts in /etc/event.d
[23:26] <polterge|st> for instance if you want a club preset on your music and a surround / bass preset on your mplayer app
[23:26] <Bite|Away> Kuhuhuh...
[23:27] <polterge|st> you would not be able to have both
[23:27] <polterge|st> this is a drawback
[23:27] <shcherbak> polterge|st: for player - audiacious!
[23:27] <Bite|Away> My dad's going to let me dismantle an old 500 MB harddrive.
[23:27] <Gumby> cavalier_prime: sorry, I should be more specific.  via command line
[23:27] <Bite|Away> I think I'm going to take the dremel to it.
[23:27] <polterge|st> it would be better to have an equalizer that functions similar to how the sound properties work in the current pulseaudio sound properties
[23:27] <jstoone> bite: you mean old pendrive right?
[23:27] <milamber> tim167: xp to vine?
[23:27] <Bite|Away> jstoone: Yep.
[23:28] <ftjla> can some one give me a url that describes how to make a shortcut script that will open up multiple applications at once.  Skype, xchat (specific rooms), firefox (with four sites) and etc
[23:28] <polterge|st> if you notice when you right click on sound properties and go to apps you see sliders for apps independently
[23:28] <milamber> ftjla: man bash
[23:28] <polterge|st> an eq should be integrated into that
[23:28] <tim167> milamber: xp? do you mean windoze?
[23:28] <cavalier_prime> gumby if you just want to stop a something that is running, sudo /etc/init.d/networking stop for example
[23:28]  * stefg puts his old hd's in the workshop microwave ... don't try this at home :-)
[23:28] <polterge|st> an eq that works similarly to the independent app volume would be ideal
[23:28] <Bite|Away> If all else fails, I'm going to take a magnet to it to admit defeat and then burn it, sink it in water, and finally take a torch to it.
[23:28] <milamber> tim167: a quick google comes up w/ this: http://old.nabble.com/No-screen-refresh-using-TightVNC-client-on-XP-to-Vine-Server-server-on-OS-X-td23390716.html
[23:28] <pmo> ftjla, on script you add a "&" at the end of each applicaiton you'll mention in your file..
[23:29] <polterge|st> apps should be independently eq'd and an option should also exist to disable that with a checkbox and master eq the entire system if desired
[23:29] <matthew_> can some one please help me configure this program http://wilmer.gaa.st/blog/archives/34-Change-Intel-X.org-TV-Out-margins.html im on a 64bit computer
[23:29] <polterge|st> this way the user has option but not too many
[23:29] <polterge|st> just enough to be practical
[23:29] <stefg> Bite|Away: microwave oven .... but an old one .... it WILL blend ! :-)
[23:29] <Gumby> cavalier_prime: yes, I know how to start/stop services.  Just need to disable.  You used to be able to use chkconfig etc to enable/disable items for different runlevels.  It seems like a step backwards to go back to needing to edit txt files in order to change what starts on each runlevel
[23:29] <food__> ftjla http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1624175 here is the ur;
[23:30] <cavalier_prime> gumby yeah
[23:30] <facugaich> milamber: Is there a specific package I should be looking for?
[23:30] <polterge|st> the pulseaudio-equalizer should be more like the rbeq plugin in terms of the number of bands and frequencies it has
[23:30] <Gumby> cavalier_prime: it also does not appear that 10.10 has /etc/event.d either
[23:30] <jstoone> fisix: not really, at least not in my part of town ;) but again, I'm an icelandic born quebecois, but I've been living here since i was 3. ;) but again people pronounce it different, things like lol+frensh, can you imagine?
[23:30] <tim167> milamber: i'm on ubuntu
[23:30] <ftjla> food__, pmo: thx
[23:30] <cavalier_prime> yeah, ubuntu has a modified upstart if you are used to the standard
[23:31] <tim167> milamber: and i have the no refresh issue
[23:31] <food__> ftjla: np
[23:31] <shcherbak> jstoone: lol [loele]?
[23:31] <cavalier_prime> gumby it is just their way of getting consistency to the way the system is scripted
[23:31] <aaron_c> hi, is it faster to grsync 10GB of files over ssh or to download the 10GB to an external and reup to the new computer
[23:31] <aaron_c> i'd be transfering over the local network
[23:32] <milamber> tim167: what tutorial did you use to install?
[23:32] <Aginor> aaron_c, if you transfer your local network it is most likely going to be a lot faster than to transfer over the Internet
[23:32] <shcherbak> aaron_c: 10 bucks on ssh (depense how to connect drives)
[23:32] <fisix> jstoone, ohhh icic. i'm gonna take another wild guess here and say it's more likely you're a girl :p
[23:33] <jstoone> shcherbak: hahaha, we can say so, yes ;) but I myself isn't that big a fan of replaceing my actual laugh with a abbreviation ;)
[23:33] <stefg> aaron_c: depends on the network speed.... on a Gig network it's faster to scp
[23:33] <inaxio> so heres a summary of my problem: i cannot mount/fsck/umount 2 partitions.  i need to fsck these two partitions, because i can no longer boot and have these errors in dmesg -- http://pastebin.com/twQtt8RG . i am currently booted on a livecd, and i need to find a way to fsck these or make it so they arent 'in use' or anything so i can fsck them
[23:33] <tim167> milamber: none, just, synaptic
[23:33] <Aginor> aaron_c, look into using rsync (over ssh) for your file transfer
[23:33] <jstoone> shcherbak: an*
[23:33] <lolmatic> i am so stoned of weed and multiple medications
[23:33] <milamber> !vnc | tim167
[23:33] <aaron_c> Aginor: yea that's what my plan is, but i'm wondering if it'd be faster to move the files toa n external and then connect the external ot the new computer
[23:33] <thevishy> natty is out ?
[23:33] <aaron_c> stefg: gotcha
[23:33] <milamber> tim167: there is some basic setup you have to do.
[23:33] <milamber> !natty | thevishy
[23:33] <Aginor> aaron_c, by external you mean external harddrive, not external site?
[23:33] <thevishy> When will I Computer starts its upgrade ?
[23:34] <aaron_c> yea external hd
[23:34] <thevishy> thanks
[23:34] <bisu[Shield]> I have a process that is dumping files into a directory and I am manually monitoring it.  I dont want to run ls -ltr ever few secs. so is there a command that does the equivallent of running ls ever few secs (like what tail -f does with files?
[23:34] <Aginor> aaron_c, what's your network speed? gigbait, 100mbps or wireless?
[23:34] <aaron_c> we're connected via a wireless router on the same local network
[23:35] <Aginor> aaron_c, if you respond to my questions, please mention my name in the line so that I get a highlight, it is a reasonable busy channel and it makes it easier for me to see when you respond
[23:35] <aaron_c> Aginor: gotcha, sorry bout that
[23:35] <jstoone> aginor: i'm currently running on a moden 52k modem :D
[23:35] <aaron_c> Aginor: we're connected via a wireless router on the same local network.  how can i check the connection speed?
[23:36] <shcherbak> bisu[Shield]: in loop; while true; do ls directory > file ; done; and run tail -f on file ;)
[23:36] <Aginor> aaron_c, it'll be pretty slow if it's wireless so I'd go with the external drive option or to get some wired network in place
[23:36] <gp5st1> is it just me or did flash performance crash after the last update?  i can't do anything (youtube, pandora, banking app (don't ask, ugh)) &c w/o the system coming to an utter halt
[23:36] <aaron_c> Aginor: ok so if we both connect directly to the router, then go with rsync though?
[23:37] <stefg> bisu[Shield]: man watch
[23:37] <Sayke> Ïðèâåò!!!!!!!111111Ïðèâåò!!!!!!!111111Ïðèâåò!!!!!!!111111Ïðèâåò!!!!!!!111111Ïðèâåò!!!!!!!111111Ïðèâåò!!!!!!!111111Ïðèâåò!!!!!!!111111Ïðèâåò!!!!!!!111111Ïðèâåò!!!!!!!111111Ïðèâåò!!!!!!!111111Ïðèâåò!!!!!!!111111
[23:37] <Aginor> aaron_c, 802.11g has a theoretical max of 54mbps, 802.11n 108mbps, but in reality you never reach those speeds
[23:37] <jstoone> gp5st1: i have some problems with flash too, but I think there's a patch fixing the problem soon (:
[23:37] <Aginor> aaron_c, that's how I would do it, or to attempt to directly connect the computers to each other and manually assign an ip to each
[23:37] <aaron_c> Aginor: ok cool, thanks!
[23:38] <python> only 1/2 that speed...depending on how many clients are connected to AP
[23:38] <Aginor> aaron_c, no worries
[23:38] <rshakin> any ppl can help me out with ati drivers ?
[23:38] <milamber> !ati
[23:38] <shcherbak> aaron_c: To check connection copy one file, scp gives speed (or trying)
[23:38] <Aginor> !ask | rshakin
[23:38] <jstoone> fisix: are you gone in the wind?
[23:38] <gp5st1> jstoone: ok,i just wanted to know if anyone else was experincing this as well. it all worked fine until the last update (could be co-incidental, though)
[23:39] <rshakin> Aginor: i need to launch control panel for ati drivers from cli... since the default path in the menu opens the non root version
[23:39] <matthew_> could some one please help me compile this program http://wilmer.gaast.net/blog/archives/34-Change-Intel-X.org-TV-Out-margins.html
[23:40] <jstoone> gp5st1: yea it could be.. but if I put YT vids on full screen it sometimes crashes, plus I'm an old school dude, who likes to go to the bank in person ;=
[23:40] <jstoone> ;)*
[23:40] <fisix> jstoone, not quite. i'm just reasonably good at connecting things to other things :p
[23:41] <Aginor> rshakin, in a terminal, type  "sudo amdcccle" without the quote marks
[23:41] <rshakin> Aginor: thank you
[23:41] <Aginor> rshakin, it's outline in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[23:41] <jstoone> matthew: I can try to complile it for you?
[23:41] <bisu[Shield]> thanks
[23:42] <MarcoPau> hello, mysqld-akonadi is starting at boot and it won't let xampp load mysqld, which is interfering with what I'm trying to do. do you know how to permanently shut akonadi?
[23:42] <jstoone> fisix: try to tell me why you think I'm a girl? Ain't I writing like everyone else?
[23:43] <gp5st1> jstoone: :-p I do too, but i check my balance all the time on line.  I'm also watching ds9 w/o having to get up and change disks every couple episodes;)
[23:43] <ubuntu_> .
[23:44] <Riiick> !br
[23:45] <celso> Riiick, br
[23:45] <jstoone> gp5st1: haha, checkMyBalance=phoneCall
[23:45] <matthew_> i am trying to follow this guide but i cant because i am running 6 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=796776
[23:45] <matthew_> 64bit operating system and the program that i need to compile is only for 32 bit
[23:46] <matthew_> and i cant figure out how to compile it manually sorry its broken up i acidentally hit enter
[23:46] <fisix> jstoone, you use a lot of emoticons which convey that you're friendly, you seem more empathetic than the typical guy, and some more things :)
[23:48] <matthew_> jstoone, the guide u gave me dident work cause my card is intel
[23:48] <jstoone> fisix: litle irc geeks can be friendly, empathetic ... and some more things?
[23:49] <jstoone> matthew: I'll try to compile it for you.
[23:49] <matthew_> jstoone, thanks
[23:50] <konstantyn> Пожалуйста помогите! Xubuntu10.04 нечитает DVD .Что мне делать?
[23:50] <ule> omg
[23:50] <fisix> jstoone, for sure. but it was just a gut feeling ya know? it sounds silly in words, but that's the best way i can describe it. am i right though?! :p
[23:51] <IdleOne> !ru | konstantyn
[23:52] <konstantyn> Спасибо!
[23:52] <jstoone> fisix: ding ding ding ding! You've got a jackpot ;)
[23:52] <fisix> jstoone, :D :D
[23:52] <matthew_> jstoone, not sure f it madders but im running 64 bit ubuntu
[23:52] <jstoone> konstantyn: (thank god you're name isn't in russian), but would you please go to #ubuntu-ru?
[23:53] <Aginor> !ru
[23:54] <jstoone> matthew: Ah, I can't compile it cause the folder structure and filenames has changed since 7 and 8, I'm sorry.
[23:54] <pylix> grub2 can't find grub.cfg i know where this file is located how to tell grub where it is?
[23:55] <jstoone> matthew: does new tv-screens have the same function as the old BIG monitors, the function to move the "picture" up/down left/right and expand on y/x?
[23:55] <jstoone> +-y/+-x
[23:56] <jstoone> fisix: what do you do for a living?
[23:56] <asas> I am in need of some help.
[23:56] <asas> IS anyone here?
[23:56] <Aginor> !ask | asas
[23:57] <IdleOne> !ot | jstoone fisix
[23:57] <jstoone> asas: just ask (: what's you're problem?
[23:57] <fisix> LOL way to be a joykill IdleOne
[23:57] <IdleOne> Thank you. That is why I get the bi9g bux
[23:57] <jstoone> IdleOne: Sorry though ;)
[23:57] <IdleOne> big*
[23:57] <asas> I installed some updates for my driver and restarted my computer and when I logged back in the ubuntu screen upon loading was in like 8 bit and I cant see any of the files I had on my computer
[23:57] <asas> Do you know the problem?
[23:58] <lescrooge> On my Asrock ION 330 I now have 8 or nine installations of 10.04. I read somewhere that Ubuntu in general does not like SATA drives. Could this be causing the re-installations and what can I do to stop it? 10.04 looks like it's about to come apart at the seams. I've lost the internet icon and skype on the top bar. They work, but there just is no evidence of their presence. I've tried...
[23:58] <lescrooge> ...reinstalling skype, but the top bar ikon still remains  disappeared. I.ve never seen this happen before.
[23:58] <lescrooge> Another issue concerns the scanner on my Brother MFC 5440CN. Simple Scan doesn't do anything. I can't find any anywhere. Can anyone help, pliz? TVM
[23:58] <Aginor> asas, I'm not able to help you, but could you please provide some more details? It's still a bit vague for someone who might be able to help you
[23:58] <asas> ... I had files on my desktop you could see but now I cant see them in their folders or the desktop.
[23:59] <asas> also all the toolbar icons are gone.
[23:59] <jstoone> asas: well what driver were you installing?
[23:59] <asas> Let me try and clear this more.
[23:59] <asas> I was fixing my graphics card.
[23:59] <NoqturnalX> can anyone tell me how gparted shrinks partitions?
[23:59] <asas> I had this happen before and it was fixed.
[23:59] <jstoone> fisix: dunno how to send private messages?


[07:27] <dholbach> good morning
[17:08] <teward> can someone assist me with debugging why sbuild is failing to mount the schroots?
[17:17] <teward> nevermind, resolved.
[23:52] <Unit193> micahg: I'm presuming I can just request a backport of debian-archive-keyring rather than a SRU.


[00:01] <gnouf1> Hi
[00:01] <n-iCe> hi
[00:03] <gnouf1> I have a little problem with my xubuntu, i just upgrade it from 19.04 to 19.10 and now  have graphical problem, like multicolors artifacts in border of my windows
[00:03] <n-iCe> did you reboot?
[00:05] <gnouf1> Yes, two times
[00:05] <gnouf1> I try to upgrade to 20.10
[00:05] <n-iCe> I would do a clean install
[00:05] <n-iCe> or do an update && upgrade
[00:07] <gnouf1> Ok, i'll try it
[01:03] <Noboru55> hello, i got a problem in my hard disk
[01:03] <Noboru55> if i try to install the xubuntu it fails to create the ext4 filesystem
[01:04] <Noboru55> if i just try to use the cfdisk
[01:04] <Noboru55> i get very slow to change the options
[01:04] <Noboru55> its like my hard disk is weird
[01:04] <Noboru55> how can i check it ?
[01:10] <guiverc> Noboru55, I'd suggest checking SMART or the health stats of your drive; https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Smartmontools (boot a 'live' media so it's not in use, then you can use smartctl, or GUI tool to read health from drive electronics)
[01:14] <Noboru55> ok i will see it
[01:14] <Noboru55> its weird, if i try open gparted it takes long time
[01:15] <Noboru55> i am already running live, cant install linux in hd
[03:08] <Xarizzar> If I might ask a question. If I have an environment variable with a separator (colon ":") in it, how would I go about using cd "$ENVIRONMENT_VAR"? Since the semicolons are still in the string, is this even possible?
[03:13] <Xarizzar> Whoops. I'm dumb. Please ignore what I asked.
[12:45] <Kryuna> Hi :)
[12:45] <diogenes_> hi
[12:47] <Kryuna> just made the complete switch to Xubuntu yesterday
[12:47] <Kryuna> It's been awesome - I can still play Skyrim! Steam Play is amazing
[12:47] <diogenes_> Kryuna, you've made a perfect choice!
[12:48] <Kryuna> Has anyone tried xubuntu on raspberry Pi?
[12:52] <Kryuna> I'm assuming it works just fine since numerous people have put Ubuntu on them, but I was wondering if there was a dedicated image for it, or if I need to install Ubunutu, then nuke the default GUI and replace with XFCE.
[13:02] <Noboru55> hello
[13:02] <Noboru55> someone can help me to check my hd ?
[13:02] <diogenes_> Noboru55, ?
[13:02] <Noboru55> i was running xubuntu 20. but i was testing the slax linux, so i tested and when i rebooted
[13:03] <Noboru55> the grub was in rescue mode
[13:03] <Noboru55> tried to install again the xubuntu and cant create ext4 filesystem
[13:03] <Noboru55> gparted doesnt open
[13:03] <Noboru55> if i try cfdisk, it is very slow to move between options
[13:03] <Noboru55> i think i broke it
[13:04] <diogenes_> i think so too, you can only try to completely format it.
[13:04] <Noboru55> i deleted all partitions
[13:04] <Noboru55> cfdisk create
[13:04] <Noboru55> but in install...... error
[13:05] <diogenes_> Noboru55, it's not enough to delete the partitions, it has to be zeroed.
[13:05] <diogenes_> and that can take hours.
[13:05] <Noboru55> how can i do it ?
[13:05] <Noboru55> i am running a command for badblocks since yesterday
[13:05] <Noboru55> here in liveusb
[13:06] <diogenes_> Noboru55, sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX bs=1M #replace X with the target drive letter.
[13:06] <Noboru55> its weird, if i have a partition created, when i reboot the laptop, it takes a long time to enter bios or long time to select boot options, if i have no partitions created so it run fast, i mean i can enter in bios quickly
[13:07] <Noboru55> here is sda
[13:07] <diogenes_> so sda
[13:07] <Noboru55> diogenes_ i happened when i created the slax boot, to create the boot i needed to run a boot. sh  and that made something crazy :P
[13:07] <Noboru55> diogenes_ i will do it!
[13:07] <Noboru55> thank you...
[13:07] <diogenes_> come with a feedback.
[13:08] <Noboru55> better wait the other command ends
[13:08] <Noboru55> the badblocks
[13:08] <Noboru55> 916900% done, 11:17:08 elapsed. (9153/0/0 errors)
[13:08] <Noboru55> 11 hours already
[13:08] <diogenes_> yes, now you gonna have to wait long long time :)
[13:08] <Noboru55> i can stop it
[13:09] <Noboru55> no hope it will do something
[13:09] <diogenes_> yes you can stop it.
[13:09] <Noboru55> sometimes i wonder why am i so jerk
[13:09] <diogenes_> happens to everyone, i was once experimenting with NetBSD and wiped all my data :/
[13:09] <Noboru55>     sudo badblocks -wsv -c 10240 /dev/sda
[13:10] <Noboru55> that i am doing
[13:10] <Noboru55> diogenes_ better do the dd=zero ?
[13:11] <diogenes_> Noboru55, try and see, at least that one cleans the drive completely.
[13:11] <Noboru55> alright
[13:11] <Noboru55> i think i will do it
[13:11] <Noboru55> if works, works
[13:11] <Noboru55> if doesnt, so.. its my guilt
[13:13] <Noboru55> diogenes_ i tell u later what happened, thank you very much
[13:14] <diogenes_> Noboru55, ok good luck!
[15:13] <Noboru55> diogenes_ nothing
[15:13] <Noboru55> still cant install xubuntu, error when creating filesystem
[15:13] <Noboru55> ext4
[15:14] <Noboru55> do you know what it means ?
[15:14] <Noboru55> wifeeeeee.  i need a new one
[15:14] <Noboru55> :D
[15:15] <diogenes_> Noboru55, SSD HDD? and hoe old is it?
[15:15] <diogenes_> how*
[15:15] <Noboru55> hdd ... do not know how old. 4 yers
[15:15] <Noboru55> years i guess
[15:16] <Noboru55> but no problem, its how do u say, like "chinese things" second hand.. or something
[15:16] <Noboru55> because i gave my best laptop to my wife.. so
[15:16] <diogenes_> could be full of bad sectors already.
[15:17] <n-iCe> hello
[15:17] <Noboru55> diogenes_ https://imgur.com/TJXD1aG.png
[15:18] <Noboru55> diogenes_ other https://imgur.com/9eWQgG7.png
[15:18] <diogenes_> Noboru55, yes I/O error, drive is damaged.
[15:18] <Noboru55> i see
[15:19] <Noboru55> anyway thank you for try help me
[15:19] <diogenes_> no problem.
[15:19] <Noboru55> :)
[15:20] <Noboru55> diogenes_ do you know some liveusb linux that starts quickly ?
[15:20] <Noboru55> xubunu take a long time
[15:21] <diogenes_> Noboru55, the quickest i've come across is antiX.
[15:22] <Noboru55> thank you.. i will try this one
[15:22] <Noboru55> lucky u understand my "english"
[15:22] <n-iCe> diogenes_: tried mxlinux?
[15:22] <n-iCe> do they have live? since mxlinux is based in antix that's why I ask
[15:23] <diogenes_> n-iCe, of course i've tried and yes they have.
[15:24] <n-iCe> awesome
[15:24] <n-iCe> diogenes_: what do you use actually
[15:25] <diogenes_> n-iCe, Debian currently and you?
[15:25] <n-iCe> Ubuntu stock.
[15:25] <diogenes_> i see.
[15:27] <xu-irc98w> Hello
[15:27] <diogenes_> hello
[15:28] <xu-irc98w> How can configure plug-in Java for Firefox or chrome?
[15:28] <xu-irc98w> I follow the document:
[15:28] <xu-irc98w> https://www.java.com/it/download/help/enable_browser_ubuntu.xml
[15:29] <xu-irc98w> But I don't have plug.in jre in my browser
[15:30] <Noboru55> diogenes_ what if i install on my external usb 3.0 hd ?
[15:30] <Noboru55> diogenes_ just thinking if i will have no problem during the boot
[15:30] <xu-irc98w> I try download the Firefox https://www.mozilla.org/it/firefox/enterprise/
[15:31] <diogenes_> !info openjdk
[15:31] <xu-irc98w> Yes i have installed openjdk
[15:31] <diogenes_> !info openjdk-11-jre
[15:32] <diogenes_> xu-irc98w, ^^^
[15:33] <diogenes_> Noboru55, you shouldn't be having problems.
[15:33] <xu-irc98w> dario@Satellite-A300D:~$ which java/usr/bin/javadario@Satellite-A300D:~$ java --versionopenjdk 11.0.7 2020-04-14OpenJDK Runtime Environment (build 11.0.7+10-post-Ubuntu-3ubuntu1)OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 11.0.7+10-post-Ubuntu-3ubuntu1, mixed mode, sharing)
[15:33] <Noboru55> i will try to resize my external hd to keep a partition for my bkp
[15:34] <Noboru55> and i will try to install it in this hd
[15:34] <Noboru55> ok.. lets see what happens
[15:34] <Noboru55> diogenes_ thank you agian...
[15:34] <Noboru55> and god bless me
[15:34] <diogenes_> yw
[15:36] <diogenes_> xu-irc98w, https://www.java.com/en/download/installed.jsp
[15:36] <diogenes_> Starting with Firefox Version 52 (released in March 2017), Firefox has limited support for plug-ins, and therefore will not run Java.
[15:43] <xu-irc98w> Yes
[16:15] <Noboru55> diogenes_ hi again, installing now on hd usb
[16:15] <Noboru55> diogenes_ but i noticed i cant disable my hd of laptop in bios.... and when running the live usb i see the internal hd showing i/o error on my screen
[16:16] <Noboru55> when i boot the first time on my external hd, can i do something to linux ignore the internal hard disk ?
[16:19] <diogenes_> Noboru55, you can disable fsck of HDD in fstab.
[16:19] <Noboru55> mmm
[16:19] <Noboru55> i will reserch for this later
[16:19] <Noboru55> stil installing
[16:20] <diogenes_> ok
[16:20] <Noboru55> thanks
[17:33] <Noboru55> diogenes_ working very very well....
[17:33] <Noboru55> takes more time to boot but.. working nice... sometimes better than before
[17:33] <Noboru55> :D
[17:34] <diogenes_> Noboru55, try the same with windows :)
[17:35] <Noboru55> mmm... my hardware is weak for windows
[17:35] <Noboru55> but if i need now i know its possible. :D
[17:37] <Noboru55> sdb      8:16   0 465,8G  0 disk
[17:37] <diogenes_> it's not only about the hardware, you just can do the same with windows, so if there was no linux, your PC would have turned into a waste of plastic and metal.
[17:37] <Noboru55> it is the internal hd
[17:37] <Noboru55> ah i got it
[17:38] <Noboru55> yes.... if no hd the external could be usefull for win too
[17:38] <diogenes_> i mean you can't do the same with windows*
[17:38] <Noboru55> really ?
[17:38] <Noboru55> thought i could
[17:38] <Noboru55> but i will no try anyway :D
[17:38] <Noboru55> not*
[17:39] <diogenes_> if you install win on usb and start it from there it would take ages.
[17:39] <Noboru55> ahhh
[17:39] <Noboru55> yes... i tried once usb live windows
[17:39] <Noboru55> lol. that was soooo... i do not know the word
[17:39] <Noboru55> but something stupid
[17:41] <Noboru55> i was playing supertuxkart, it runs ok
[17:42] <Noboru55> as i said, i think the external is better than internal hd i had
[17:42] <Noboru55> Thank you..
[17:42] <diogenes_> you're welcome.
[18:06] <Kryuna> does anyone use xburn?
[18:07] <Kryuna> I have an album of mp3 files that I would like to burn to a CD, and they burn successfully, but the tracks sound like a chipmunk when played back in a CD player.
[18:07] <Kryuna> the high pitched shrieky voice that is
[18:07] <Kryuna> any solutions?
[18:08] <Kryuna> I guess I'll try brasero for now but I like the simplicity of xburn
[18:09] <Kryuna> and now that I've opened brasero - it looks oddly similar to xburn :(
[18:10] <diogenes_> Kryuna, now i've got to come across someone who still burns CDs :)
[18:10] <diogenes_> Kryuna, but try to burn at the lowest speed.
[18:10] <Kryuna> I tried that already :(
[18:11] <Kryuna> and it's not the files either, i've played them back and they sound fine.
[18:11] <Kryuna> also, I've tried a different type of CD-R.
[18:11] <jdwwatts> I think It might be tweakable
[18:12] <diogenes_> Kryuna, maybe CD+R?
[18:13] <Kryuna> I'm going to see if brasero has any luck
[18:13] <Kryuna> it's burning very quickly - even at the slowest speed (x10)
[18:13] <diogenes_> isn't x2 the lowest?
[18:14] <Kryuna> not that I could see
[18:16] <Kryuna> well brasero got it
[18:16] <Kryuna> I 'm not sure what the difference was between the applications - they both look pretty similar, but I just left settings at default in brasero and it works
[18:18] <Kryuna> maybe it was the actual cd - r I was using
[18:18] <Kryuna> because the first two I burnt were ONN (generic) CDs, but the third try was a different CD.
[18:27] <xu-irc95w> Hello!
[18:30] <xu-irc95w> Somebody could help me ?
[18:30] <jdwwatts> what happened
[18:30] <xu-irc95w> i don't know if i should hide my ip or not on irc ?
[18:31] <jdwwatts> from what?
[18:31] <Kryuna> :O
[18:31] <xu-irc95w> could you read my ip?
[18:32] <xu-irc95w> y or n ?
[18:33] <jdwwatts> there was a address whenyou logged in but that can be manipulated can't it ?
[18:34] <DrKK`> yes I can read your IP
[18:34] <DrKK`> if you want to block the IP,
[18:34] <DrKK`> you need a "cloak"
[18:34] <DrKK`> go to the #freenode channel and ask for a cloak, but you first need to be authenticated with nickserv
[18:34] <xu-irc95w> Ok, thank you very much !
[21:21] <xu-help19w> hi..
[22:17] <c0cc0a> hi! I don't know if someone can help me out with an issue I'm having with Xubuntu 20.04 and raspberry pi 4. It keeps freezing.
[22:57] <Maxwell> Um. Hello. If someone would be willing to help me I'd appreciate it.
[23:04] <Maxwell> See I am trying to access the store but I'm not sure where it is. (I know it's not called the store, but Idk what term it's called.)
[23:12] <Unit193> 'Software' or something perhaps?
[23:14] <n-iCe> hi
[23:14] <n-iCe> software center
[23:14] <Maxwell> I tried both "software updater" and "software and updates" Crazy thing is I found it once, but I cant find it again for some reason. The other one just says all the software I got
[23:14] <Maxwell> Where would software center be?
[23:15] <n-iCe> in your menu
[23:15] <Maxwell> Yeah I searched there. I typed software and I only found the two options I mentioned.
[23:15] <n-iCe> sadly I'm not running xubuntu right now.
[23:16] <Unit193> You could check if the package or snap is installed?
[23:16] <Maxwell> Give me one second please and I'll do that.
[23:22] <Maxwell> Its asking to reset my computer. One moment.
[23:24] <Unit193> ...Huh?


 I was going to get one
[12:18] <ryanakca> oh... graphics
[12:18] <ryanakca> lol, ok
[12:18] <tseng> but intel graphics dont come with amd cpus :)
[12:18] <ryanakca> yeah, you've got a point
[12:22] <tseng> claims to not support visual 0x4b
[12:22] <tseng> is the only apperantly error
[12:23] <tseng> dammit im dubm
[12:23] <tseng> i removed this gdm.conf-custom I swear
[12:23] <tseng> its still here
[12:23] <tseng> was the entire problem
[12:24] <tseng> (phew)
[12:38] <sistpoty> am I still online? if so, does anyone else having problems accessing revu?
[12:38] <sistpoty> s/having/have/
[12:39] <welshbyte> yes, and yes
[12:40] <sistpoty> that means: yay! and damn, seems like tiber is down :(
[12:50] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone
[01:29] <Adri2000> hi
[01:32] <Adri2000> i'm making a package. i must copy a header file available in the sources to /usr/include/qt3/ (this header file is not in any ubuntu package). how should i do ?edit the debian/rules ? the configure script or the makefile ?
[01:33] <welshbyte> debian/rules, i'd say
[01:34] <crimsun> but the header file is provided in the upstream Qt3 package?
[01:34] <Adri2000> i tried to put a cp in debian/rules, but it says it doesn't have the permission
[01:34] <lifeless> you should use install
[01:34] <lifeless> and it should be in the install target
[01:35] <crimsun> hmm, I may have misinterpreted the context.
[01:36] <crimsun> (It's not immediately clear to me if the package requires said header file to build or if said header file is what's installed as part of a binary package)
[01:36] <Adri2000> #include <bitmapbutton.h> < this header file is not in any ubuntu package, but fortunately it is in the tarball of the software i'm packaging
[01:37] <crimsun> is bitmapbutton.h part of upstream Qt3?
[01:38] <crimsun> (If not, why does said package require it to be located system-wide? That sounds pretty gross.)
[01:39] <Adri2000> google has no result for "bitmapbutton.h site:http://doc.trolltech.com/"
[01:41] <Adri2000> crimsun: see the answer from the developer http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=14214526
[01:42] <Adri2000> compile as root... maybe the makefile is supposed to copy this headerfile in /usr/include/qt3/
[01:43] <welshbyte> that's horrible
[01:44] <crimsun> you need to punch upstream vigourously.
[01:45] <crimsun> in this case, Adri2000, hack all references of '#include <bitmapbutton.h>' into '#include "sourcedir/bitmapbutton.h"'
[01:45] <crimsun> send the patch upstream, and after you do that, punch upstream vigourously.
[01:46] <Adri2000> ok, i'll try that
[01:47] <Adri2000> but i shouldn't edit directly the source files ? i have to make a patch and put it in debian/, right ?
[01:52] <crimsun> Adri2000: depends if there's already a patch system in place
[01:52] <crimsun> is this a new Debian/Ubuntu package?
[01:52] <Adri2000> yes, new
[01:52] <crimsun> then it's up to you. Frankly I'd use a patch system.
[01:53] <Adri2000> diff old.cpp new.cpp > patch
[01:53] <Adri2000> ?
[01:53] <crimsun> I imagine you'll be touching more than just one source file
[01:53] <crimsun> in which case it'll be easier to diff -uNr
[01:54] <Adri2000> yes, this include is in multiple files
[01:54] <Adri2000> ok, i'll look at the diff man page
[01:54] <Adri2000> and i just put the patch in debian/, nothing special to do ?
[01:55] <crimsun> depends which patch system you use.
[01:55] <crimsun> if you want a manual patch system, put it wherever you'd like
[01:55] <crimsun> quilt, dpatch, and others have special directories like debian/patches/
[01:57] <Adri2000> ok, thank you for your help crimsun
[01:57] <crimsun> np
[02:10] <ryanakca> Adri2000: for patching? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PatchingSources
[02:14] <Adri2000> is that ok http://adrishost.homeip.net/~adri2000/djplay.patch ?
[02:15] <crimsun> make sure you hack the Makefile{,.in}(s), too
[02:20] <Adri2000> not so easy :s
[02:21] <crimsun> grep for that header file
[02:22] <Adri2000> $ grep bitmapbutton.h djplay-0.3.0/Makefile.*
[02:22] <Adri2000> nothing
[02:23] <Adri2000> there are some bitmapbutton in the makefile but no .h
[02:25] <crimsun> be careful with '.' and grep expressions.
[02:26] <crimsun> you'll probably want to escape it or the entire filename
[02:27] <Adri2000> still nothing with bitmapbutton\.h and "bitmapbutton.h"
[02:27] <welshbyte> i'd be paranoid and run grep -nr foo\.h *
[02:28] <Adri2000> no... and with -i neither...
[02:29] <Adri2000> maybe i can try without editing the makefile, why would it complain ?
[02:35] <Adri2000> to apply the patch : patch -p1 djplay.patch is ok ?
[02:37] <welshbyte> you might want to name your patch something more descriptive
[02:37] <ryanakca> Adri2000: what kind of patch is it? dpatch?
[02:37] <Adri2000> no it's just a diff
[02:38] <Adri2000> welshbyte: something like bitmapbutton.patch ? :)
[02:39] <ryanakca> Adri2000: oh... dpatches are like scripts, so you can execute them :)
[02:40] <Adri2000> ryanakca: it's not a dpatch
[02:41] <welshbyte> Adri2000: something like that... it's so we know what the patch is doing when someone looks at it in future or tries to cross-reference a changelog entry with the patch
[02:42] <Adri2000> and then, should i leave the diectory djplay-patch there ?
[02:42] <Adri2000> ok can i remove it ?
[02:42] <Adri2000> or*
[02:42] <Adri2000> directory*
[02:43] <welshbyte> Adri2000: did you create that directory or did upstream?
[02:43] <welshbyte> hey LaserJock
[02:43] <LaserJock> hi welshbyte
[02:44] <Adri2000> i created it to edit the source files
[02:44] <Adri2000> and then made the diff with the upstream sources
[02:44] <welshbyte> oh well then remove it if you don't need it any more
[02:44] <welshbyte> it won't be part of the package
[02:45] <Adri2000> ok
[02:51] <Adri2000> patch -p0 <bitmapbutton.patch that worked :)
[02:55] <welshbyte> LaserJock: got anything for me to do that'll give me a break from trying to make sense of maxima? :)
[02:56] <LaserJock> hmm
[02:58] <LaserJock> well, you could go through the MOTU Science bug list if you want
[02:58] <LaserJock> or work on merges
[03:01] <welshbyte> so anything on http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html ?
[03:01] <LaserJock> pretty much
[03:38] <ryanakca> ok, I've got a .desktop file that points to icon file. I've got the .desktop installed, but where does the .png get put to?
[03:39] <LaserJock>  /usr/share/pixmaps/
[03:40] <ryanakca> kk, ty
[03:42] <grexk> How can I be able to debug this error "binary-indep"?
[03:43] <grexk> "make: *** [binary-indep]  Error 1"
[03:46] <welshbyte> grexk: that means that the error is somewhere in the binary-indep: section of your makefile or rules file
[03:46] <grexk> thank, let me check
[03:47] <welshbyte> grexk: i expect the output given before that message would have told you what the actual error is
[03:51] <grexk> I get this error http://pastebin.com/781060, checking at the launchpad is not an issue in there daily build log?
[03:58] <grexk> I got now thanks anyway
[04:00] <Adri2000> what's the difference between Makefile.in and Makefile.am ?
[04:03] <welshbyte> Adri2000: http://www.gnu.org/software/automake/manual/html_node/Introduction.html#Introduction
[04:04] <azeem> or read the autobook
[04:08] <Adri2000> so i should edit Makefile.am
[04:12] <jaldhar> Adri2000: If necessary, but most common changes can be made as parameters to configure (i.e. paths, CFLAGS)
[04:19] <grexk> Is it ok to remove "-i" options in binary-indep section?
[04:24] <ryanakca> anybody want to review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2999 please? (And I triple checked this time :P
[04:33] <welshbyte> hey Hobbsee
[04:33] <LaserJock> ryanakca: we don't scatter, we just don't  respond
[04:33] <LaserJock> hi Hobbsee
[04:33] <Hobbsee> morning lal
[04:33] <Hobbsee> *all
[04:33] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:33] <Hobbsee> heya LaserJock, welshbyte
[04:34] <ryanakca> LaserJock: sorry... I forgot <joke> </joke> :D
[04:34] <ryanakca> lol
[04:34] <ryanakca> Hey Hobbsee
[04:34] <Hobbsee> hey ryanakca
[04:37] <grexk> Can I also upload backport package in REVU?
[04:38] <TheMuso> Hey Sarah. Hows uni life treating you?
[04:38] <Hobbsee> hey TheMuso.  didnt even go today :)
[04:38] <TheMuso> Ah ok.
[04:51] <LaserJock> hmmm, what app does the nested login windows in KDE
[04:54] <Hobbsee> xnest?
[04:57] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: hmm, tried that. I was looking for a particular item in the menu
[04:57] <Hobbsee> ah
[04:59] <Burgundavia> Hobbsee: you, know, I am going to have to install KDE at work next week. Does it come with trauma counselling after I remove it? *grin*
[04:59] <LaserJock> I wonder if it is just in edgy as I can't find it on either of my dapper boxes
[05:01] <Hobbsee> Burgundavia: hahaha
[05:35] <welshbyte> g'night :)
[07:15] <somerville32> I think the glade package is broken
[07:18] <Hobbsee> fix it?
[07:20] <somerville32> I dunno how.
[07:21] <grexk> Anyone would like to review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3000?
[07:21] <Hobbsee> grexk: xen?
[07:21] <grexk> yes
[07:22] <Hobbsee> you've uploaded it natively, for a start
[07:22] <Hawkwind> Xen FTW!!!
[07:23] <Hobbsee> oh, wait, it was in edgy to start with, adn a backport.  that's not so bad
[07:23] <Hobbsee> grexk: backports stuff dont get reviewed by us.
[07:23] <grexk> What is the meaning of FTW?
[07:23] <Hawkwind> For The Win
[07:23] <Hawkwind> Heh
[07:23] <Hawkwind> We so need full Xen support in Kubuntu
[07:24] <Hobbsee> grexk: you have to file a  bug requesting the backport (there's a button there for it), and present the requested things
[07:24] <Hobbsee> !backports
[07:24] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[07:24] <grexk> Oh, I see just uploaded it for crimsun to check.
[07:33] <trappist> vil: ping
[07:38] <vil> trappist: good morning
[07:40] <trappist> vil: hi there.  I'm going to bed in a few minutes, so if you want to run eclipse, we won't be competing for resources
[07:41] <vil> well ok, then. I thought that there is just 512MB. at least free says that
[07:42] <trappist> yeah, that's all.  there's ~1GB of swap, so whatever you want to do should be possible, but of course the load will skyrocket if it starts swapping.
[07:43] <trappist> I don't know what kind of load you're talking about, though
[07:44] <vil> yeah, I looked at the numbers and jc1 took over 600MB resident and was really unhappy about it, swapping all around
[07:45] <vil> trappist: nevermind, g'night
[07:45] <trappist> ok, sorry it didn't work out.  good night.
[07:49] <grex1> !Ubugtu
[07:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Ubugtu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:26] <AnAnt> what does "bashism" mean ?
[09:27] <azeem> pretending to require any POSIX shell, but using bash feature really
[09:28] <azeem> so, specifying #!/bin/sh at the top, but then doing stuff other shells choke on
[09:31] <AnAnt> how do I know that a certain syntax works only in bash ?
[09:34] <Mithrandir> you test it with something else or know the differences because you read them somewhere or experienced them.
[09:34] <AnAnt> ic
[09:34] <AnAnt> ok, how do I do `cmd` in dash ?
[09:35] <anibal> dash <cmd>
[09:35] <Mithrandir> anibal: eh, no?
[09:35] <AnAnt> anibal: but I wanna test the output of it
[09:35] <Mithrandir> AnAnt: `` works the same way in bash and dash, it's posix.
[09:35] <AnAnt> Mithrandir: hmm, ok
[09:36] <Hobbsee> why would prozilla not be in the repositores, post hoary?
[09:37] <anibal> Mithrandir, you're right, you run dash and at the dash prompt you run the <cmd>
[09:37] <AnAnt> well, how do I test a `cmd` in while using dash ?
[09:37] <AnAnt> while [[ `cmd` ] ]  does not work
[09:38] <Mithrandir> while [ `cmd` ]  does, though
[09:39] <AnAnt> nope
[09:39] <AnAnt> tried it
[09:40] <Mithrandir> \u@\h:\w$ while [ `echo foo` ] ; do echo hello; done
[09:40] <Mithrandir> hello
[09:40] <Mithrandir> hello
[09:40] <Mithrandir> hello
[09:40] <Mithrandir> hello
[09:40] <Mithrandir> seems to work quite well for me.
[09:40] <AnAnt> is that dash ?
[09:40] <Mithrandir> yes
[09:40] <dholbach> good morning
[09:40] <Mithrandir> hiya Daniel
[09:41] <dholbach> hey Tollef - how are you?
[09:43] <AnAnt> that's wierd it gives me this: [: 10: is: unexpected operator
[09:43] <AnAnt> Mithrandir: I tried `cmd` instead of echo foo
[09:43] <AnAnt> Mithrandir: I tried `cmd` instead of `echo foo`
[09:44] <Mithrandir> AnAnt: cmd, like literally?
[09:44] <AnAnt> Mithrandir: acon
[09:45] <AnAnt> Mithrandir: this command either gives this error:
[09:45] <AnAnt> Acon is loaded
[09:45] <AnAnt> Error opening /dev/vcsa10
[09:45] <AnAnt> or it works
[09:45] <Mithrandir> works being?
[09:46] <AnAnt> being that it does not return
[09:46] <Mithrandir> you seem to be confused about what `` is used for.
[09:47] <Mithrandir> it's used for capturing output.
[09:56] <AnAnt_> Mithrandir: well, I just want to run a command, if it gives the error, then it should be run again
[09:56] <AnAnt_> Mithrandir: sorry, I was dc !
[09:57] <AnAnt_> ping Mithrandir
[10:01] <Mithrandir> you just want to retry the command an infinite number of times until it succeeds?
[10:01] <Mithrandir> then do something like while ! acon ; : ; done
[10:01] <AnAnt_> what is : ?
[10:02] <Mithrandir> a shorthand for "true"
[10:03] <AnAnt_> Mithrandir: thanks !
[10:04] <AnAnt_> it worked !
[10:12] <AnAnt> ok, gotta go
[10:12] <AnAnt> Mithrandir: thanks again
[10:41] <Hobbsee> StevenK: :P
[10:41] <Hobbsee> this is pretty cool :P
[10:53] <welshbyte> good morning
[10:54] <somerville32> Morning
[11:34] <Sp4rKy>  \o
[11:54] <dholbach> how 'bout a REVU DAY?
[11:54] <dholbach> next week?
[11:54] <dholbach> friday?
[11:54] <dholbach> what do y'all think?
[11:59] <Gloubiboulga> friday is fine for me (I'll certainly be less available the other days)
[12:00] <phanatic> hi everybody
[12:00] <Gloubiboulga> heya phanatic
[12:00] <phanatic> hey Gloubiboulga
[12:01] <phanatic> Gloubiboulga: do you have time for a review?
[12:01] <phanatic> new upstream: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2990
[12:02] <Gloubiboulga> phanatic, soory, not know, I leave in 5 minutes
[12:02] <Gloubiboulga> phanatic, I'll do it later today
[12:02] <phanatic> Gloubiboulga: okay, thanks
[12:19] <StevenK> dholbach: Hobbsee says that she'll have to be mysteriously absent on friday then :P
[12:19] <Sp4rKy> please, i've made a patch but it doesn't works
[12:22] <dholbach> StevenK: why is that?
[12:22] <Sp4rKy> i've this error during pbuilder
[12:22] <StevenK> dholbach: Note that Hobbsee has mostly taken control of my keyboard.
[12:22] <Sp4rKy> dpatch  apply-all
[12:22] <Sp4rKy> applying patch 01_patch_init to ./ ... failed.
[12:22] <Sp4rKy> make: *** [patch-stamp]  Error 1
[12:23] <dholbach> StevenK: right :-)
[12:23] <StevenK> Sp4rKy: Since the patch failed to apply. dpatch ought to log the failure somewhere, debian/patched or so
[12:24] <StevenK> dholbach: Hobbsee:  i dont particularly like reviewing stuff - i probably miss a lot
[12:24] <Sp4rKy> StevenK, i've no debian/patched
[12:25] <dholbach> StevenK: that's why always two people review a package
[12:25] <dholbach> we just have to get started again
[12:25] <Sp4rKy> maybe my patch wasn't done correctly
[12:25] <Sp4rKy> i've done a diff -u between the two files
[12:25] <StevenK> dholbach: Hobbsee:  true that.  as long as i'm neither of the two :P
[12:26] <dholbach> StevenK: hobbsee: slacker
[12:27] <Sp4rKy> and a dpatch patch-template
[12:30] <Sp4rKy> do you have an idea ?
[12:38] <Sp4rKy> dholbach, do you have 5 min to help me ?
[12:40] <dholbach> did you use  dpatch-edit-patch 01_patch_init  ?
[12:40] <Sp4rKy> no
[12:41] <Sp4rKy> i've done only one patch before, and i don't remember exactly how
[12:42] <Sp4rKy> so i may have done some mistakes ...
[12:42] <dholbach> dpatch-edit-patch <patchname>   is what you want
[12:42] <Sp4rKy> maybe
[12:42] <dholbach> it'll open a subshell, where you can apply your patch and play with it
[12:42] <dholbach> then ctrl-d and it will generate the patch in debian/patches
[12:43] <Sp4rKy> ok :)
[12:43] <Sp4rKy> i try
[12:45] <dholbach> you just have to add it to debian/patches/00list afterwards
[12:45] <dholbach> but you seem to have figured that out already :)
[12:45] <Sp4rKy> ok
[12:45] <Sp4rKy> yes :)
[12:49] <Sp4rKy> dholbach, building
[12:49] <dholbach> rock on
[12:52] <Sp4rKy> :)
[12:52] <Sp4rKy> pbuilder just run make, so patch seems works :D
[12:54] <Sp4rKy> i've another error with symlink, but patch seems work !
[01:57] <hunger> Hi...
[01:58] <hunger> I must package a little app for a customer of ours. He wants the description to be in german... how do I need to encode the control file to have aptitude, etc. display this properly?
[02:02] <dholbach> hunger: ask mvo about apt-ddtp
[02:02] <Hobbsee> dholbach: i'm fixing two bugs.  i'm definetly lazy.
[02:03] <zul> Hobbsee: you are always lazy
[02:03] <dholbach> Hobbsee: rock on :-)
[02:03] <Hobbsee> zul: indeed.
[02:03] <Hobbsee> dholbach: unfortunately, one was a bug that was my fault, and the other i last touched that script.  i didnt create the bug though.
[02:03] <dholbach> :-)
[02:05] <Hobbsee> works fine unless the source is split.  *shrugs*
[02:20] <Sp4rKy> so ....
[02:21] <Sp4rKy> patch works good know, but i've again a strange issue with symlink
[02:22] <Sp4rKy> i've a library and lintian says i have to create the 2 symlinks because they have to exists in case of user do an apt-get remove
[02:22] <Sp4rKy> but when i try to create symlinks, pbuilder says tehy already exists
[02:25] <zul> heh there should be a screensaver of bouncing ubuntu hackergotchi heads
[02:25] <Hobbsee> zul: good thing i dont have a hackergotchi
[02:26] <zul> you are not even on planet :)
[02:26] <Hobbsee> zul: that's because i dont blog.
[02:26] <Hobbsee> blogs are evil
[02:26] <Hobbsee> well, writing blogs are evil
[02:26] <Hobbsee> reading them is interesting though
[02:26] <Arbiter> yawn, hi *
[02:27] <Hobbsee> hey Arbiter
[02:27] <Arbiter> hi Hobbsee
[02:27] <Arbiter> :)
[02:27] <Hobbsee> no, i'm not reviewing an;ything :P
[02:28] <Arbiter> lol
[02:28] <Arbiter> i don't care :)
[02:29] <Arbiter> i'm busy with some other stuff :P
[02:29] <Hobbsee> :P
[02:30] <Arbiter> Hobbsee: are you going to participate to the next CC?
[02:31] <Hobbsee> Arbiter: um.  what time is it?
[02:31] <Hobbsee> when is it?
[02:31] <Hobbsee> any of hte above?
[02:32] <Arbiter> Sep 6th, 8 o' clock
[02:32] <Hobbsee> @schedule sydney
[02:32] <ubuntu-es> Hobbsee: Error: "schedule" is not a valid command.
[02:32] <Arbiter> Hobbsee: Sydney, right?
[02:32] <Hobbsee> Arbiter: ye
[02:32] <Hobbsee> s
[02:33] <Arbiter> this time is bad for me (midnight, arrrr)
[02:33] <Arbiter> :P
[02:33] <Hobbsee> Arbiter: ouch.  i'm probably driving to uni about that time, but i might make it
[02:33] <Arbiter> heh
[03:31] <ryanakca> We can't use upstreams debian/ , right?
[03:32] <tseng> if its good you can use it
[03:32] <tseng> (and he can drop it)
[03:32] <tseng> upstreams shouldnt have debian/
[03:33] <ryanakca> kk, ty... I just needed some MOTU influence in this conversation I'm having with upstream :)
[03:45] <zul> so uh...can we upload to universe again?
[03:54] <Hobbsee> zul: we could the whole time
[03:59] <ryanakca> could a motu please review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2999 when they get a chance? (And I triple checked it for the ones who reviewed it the other night :D )
[04:13] <rikai> Err, small question... And not sure if this is the correct place to ask... but could someone tell me the version of Ubiquity in edgy knot-2?
[04:38] <Riddell> rikai: ubiquity will be the latest version, see launchpad
[04:40] <rikai> Riddell: Alraedy gort my asnwer elsewher, but thanks. I was curious as knot-2 was released today, and so was a ubiquity update. ;)
[05:07] <Riddell> ryanakca: looks good, a few comments http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2999
[05:23] <ryanakca> Riddell: kk, thanks
[05:33] <phanatic> afternoon
[05:35] <phanatic> hey LaserJock
[05:36] <LaserJock> hi phanatic
[05:43] <Hobbsee> dholbach: excellent!  we've had the REVU day!
[05:44] <Hobbsee> On Friday, August 8th we're going to have a fully-fledged REVU DAY and
[05:44] <Hobbsee> are going to bring http://revu.tauware.de/ back on track.
[05:44] <Hobbsee> that means we cant have another one, right???
[05:44] <dholbach> FUCKING HELL
[05:44] <ogra> dholbach, got hell day today ?
[05:45] <StevenK> dholbach: Sorry, I found it. :-P
[06:09] <phanatic> Gloubiboulga: thanks for the upload :)
[06:43] <kristog> hello *
[06:43] <LaserJock> hi
[07:10] <Gloubiboulga> phanatic, no problem ;)
[07:10] <Gloubiboulga> hey bddebian !
[07:11] <kristog> i would help ubuntu in some way, i've already setup an account on launchpad and signed the CoC.
[07:11] <kristog> do you know what i can do?
[07:11] <LaserJock> kristog: well, it sort of depends on what you are interested in
[07:11] <LaserJock> do you like coding?
[07:11] <bluefoxicy> Are you a programmer?
[07:12] <kristog> LaserJock: uhm i prefer package sw or maintain it
[07:12] <bddebian> Heya gang
[07:12] <bddebian> Hi Gloubiboulga
[07:12] <zul> documentation?
[07:12] <kristog> i'm not a coder :)
[07:12] <LaserJock> kristog: ok, cool. do you have experience making debian packages?
[07:12] <kristog> uh, yes.
[07:12] <phanatic> LaserJock: what can i help if i'm a programmer? ;)
[07:13] <bluefoxicy> :D
[07:13] <LaserJock> phanatic: write things for specs
[07:13] <kristog> you could see my *packages* on launchpad.
[07:13] <welshbyte> ello bddebian
[07:13] <LaserJock> kristog: ah, were?
[07:13] <kristog> https://launchpad.net/people/giskard/+packages
[07:13] <bluefoxicy> I actually need to steal a programmer for a bit at some point
[07:14] <LaserJock> kristog: oh, very nice
[07:14] <bluefoxicy> ok cool, mtrace is mit
[07:14] <LaserJock> kristog: well, we need people for bug fixing, and merging/syncing from Debian right now
[07:15] <bddebian> Heya welshbyte
[07:15] <LaserJock> kristog: the Universe repo will freeze on September 28th so we are trying to make sure we are as updated as possible before then
[07:15] <kristog> LaserJock: i guess all my packages are already handled by ubuntu-core people.
[07:16] <kristog> LaserJock: ok, so, is there a list of *not-updated* packages ?
[07:16] <bluefoxicy> ya know what
[07:16] <bluefoxicy> I am going to spec this, and see if I can get any bites this way
[07:16] <LaserJock> kristog: merges.ubuntu.com I believe
[07:16] <bluefoxicy> as COMPLETELY irrelevant as it is.
[07:18] <kristog> LaserJock: thank you. there is something i should read before merge/sync?
[07:18] <bddebian> Yeah bluefoxicy, don't do anything useful or anything.. ;-P
[07:19] <LaserJock> kristog: hmm, just a sec
[07:19] <bluefoxicy> bddebian:  currently I'm trying to figure out how much memory waste is happening
[07:19] <bluefoxicy> # heap/mem waste at peak:       2.93 %
[07:19] <bluefoxicy> # average heap/mem waste:      19.68 %
[07:20] <welshbyte> hehe "Man, she's been grumpy all week"  "Must be that time of the release cycle"
[07:20] <bluefoxicy> ^^^ Thunderbird after running for about 5 seconds; the peak waste is how much waste there is when the program has requested the most memory, while the average waste is the waste on average
[07:21] <LaserJock> kristog:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/Merging-and-Syncing and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources (there is a sync and ongoing-merges section that is helpful)
[07:21] <bluefoxicy> And of course, I click a few messages and ........... # average heap/mem waste:      48.48 %
[07:21] <LaserJock> kristog: and just ask questions here too
[07:21] <Whoopie> Hi, I saw that xchat 2.6.6 is backported to dapper. But it's not shown when trying to upgrade. And launchpad says that it was built fine. Any ideas?
[07:21] <bluefoxicy> bddebian:  highly not useful, I'm just trying to figure out if I should replace glibc's implementation of malloc() with something with an approximate 3.125% upper bound on memory waste :)
[07:21] <Whoopie> I have all repos enabled in sources.list
[07:22] <kristog> LaserJock: ok! thank you.
[07:23] <LaserJock> Whoopie: 1) dapper-backports in sources.list (I assume so) 2) it might not have hit the archives yet
[07:25] <Whoopie> LaserJock: ok, I'll wait. thanks. I only found it strange that it takes 3 days.
[07:26] <LaserJock> :/
[07:26] <LaserJock> I wouldn't think it would
[07:26] <LaserJock> are you getting any other backported packages?
[07:26] <Whoopie> yes
[07:26] <LaserJock> hmm, must be held up or something
[07:27] <Whoopie> seems so
[07:28] <gnomefreak> Whoopie: are you using au.archives.ubuntu.com?
[07:32] <Whoopie> gnomefreak: no, archive.ubuntu.com
[07:32] <gnomefreak> when was xchat backported?
[07:33] <Whoopie> sept 29th
[07:33] <Whoopie> aug 29th
[07:33] <gnomefreak> Whoopie: your in us?
[07:33] <Whoopie> germany
[07:33] <gnomefreak> still should default to uk and you should have it already
[07:34] <gnomefreak> ok hold on a sec
[07:36] <gnomefreak> hmmm
[07:36] <Whoopie> changed to de.archive.ubuntu.com, and no difference
[07:37] <gnomefreak> Whoopie: im assuming you have universe and multiverse enabled?
[07:37] <Whoopie> yes
[07:38] <gnomefreak> LaserJock: you still here?
[07:39] <welshbyte> bddebian: did you get my email about adonthell?
[07:39] <LaserJock> gnomefreak: yeah
[07:39] <gnomefreak> do you know where there is a list of backported packages?
[07:39] <imbrandon> theres lots of packages backported
[07:39] <LaserJock> gnomefreak: you have dapper-backports enabled?
[07:39] <gnomefreak> packages.ubuntu dont show them
[07:39] <imbrandon> i just backported one today infact ;)
[07:39] <gnomefreak> LaserJock: im on edgy but im looking for him
[07:40] <Bazzi> I thought backports was defunct?
[07:40] <welshbyte> http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper-backports/
[07:40] <Whoopie> what I saw is that all backported packages for main are there, but not for universe. But I really checked that I have enabled universe
[07:40] <LaserJock> Bazzi: no
[07:40] <gnomefreak> welshbyte: they took this out of the packages.ubuntu.com page
[07:40] <imbrandon> Bazzi: nope
[07:41] <Bazzi> hm, ok
[07:41] <Whoopie> I looked here for backported packages: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.devel.changes.dapper
[07:41] <gnomefreak> xchat has not been backported
[07:41] <welshbyte> gnomefreak: really? the page seems to exist
[07:41] <Whoopie> gnomefreak: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.devel.changes.dapper/12008
[07:41] <gnomefreak> welshbyte: it does but if you go to packages.ubuntu.com dapper backports isnt there
[07:41] <LaserJock> it was backported
[07:41] <gnomefreak> Whoopie: http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper-backports/allpackages.en.txt.gz
[07:42] <welshbyte> oh ok, so it just isn't linked? or it's not kept up-to-date?
[07:42] <gnomefreak> i guess both
[07:42] <imbrandon> Whoopie: that dosent mean it built successfully or actualy got backpoorted it just means it was accepted
[07:42] <gnomefreak> we dont have a -backports channel that i know of
[07:42] <LaserJock> arggg
[07:43] <LaserJock> it was backported and it built successfully on *all* archs
[07:43] <LaserJock> guys, this is what Launchpad is for
[07:43] <Whoopie> imbrandon: https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/240427
[07:43] <Whoopie> launchpad says it was built successfully
[07:43] <imbrandon> LaserJock: exactly
[07:44] <imbrandon> Whoopie: i know i was pointing out the list dosent matter
[07:44] <imbrandon> LaserJock: just said it better
[07:44] <Whoopie> imbrandon: ok, sorry. you're right.
[07:44] <gnomefreak> still doesnt mean it was sent to server
[07:44] <LaserJock> it was built on the 29th
[07:44] <LaserJock> so either it is held up somewhere or something happened
[07:44] <imbrandon> Whoopie: apt-cache madsion xchat
[07:45] <welshbyte> or madison :)
[07:45] <Whoopie>      xchat | 2.6.1-0ubuntu2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe Packages
[07:45] <Whoopie>      xchat | 2.6.1-0ubuntu2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe Sources
[07:45] <Whoopie>      xchat | 2.6.6-0ubuntu1~dapper1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-backports/universe Sources
[07:45] <gnomefreak> Whoopie: what does sudo apt-get install xchat give you?
[07:46] <LaserJock> it's not there
[07:46] <imbrandon> see its souce only, not built ( or built but not in archive yet )
[07:46] <gnomefreak> the source seems to be
[07:46] <LaserJock> the thing to do is to look at Launchpad and archive.ubuntu.com
[07:46] <LaserJock> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/x/xchat/
[07:46] <imbrandon> but ummm
[07:46] <Whoopie> gnomefreak: that the current version of xchat is installed.
[07:46] <imbrandon> xchat | 2.6.6-0ubuntu1~dapper1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-backports/universe Sources
[07:46] <LaserJock> indicates that the source is in the archive but no binaries
[07:47] <imbrandon> ^^ source ONLY
[07:47] <gnomefreak> that telsl me something happened
[07:47] <gnomefreak> tells*
[07:47] <imbrandon> its not built on the arcive yet
[07:47] <LaserJock> arggg
[07:47] <LaserJock> there is often delay between getting build in Soyuz and hitting the archives
[07:48] <LaserJock> it could be that backported binaries are hung up somewhere
[07:48] <LaserJock> or need approval or something
[07:48] <Whoopie> LaserJock: but the packages for main are there, not for universe
[07:48] <LaserJock> or it could be that something went wrong if newer backports are already in the archives
[07:48] <LaserJock> Whoopie: what packages for Main?
[07:48] <gnomefreak> Whoopie: use xchat-gnome
[07:49] <gnomefreak> xchat-gnome is just like xchat 2.6.6
[07:49] <Whoopie> LaserJock: e.g. debootstrap
[07:49] <Whoopie> gnomefreak: no, thanks ;)
[07:49] <gnomefreak> Whoopie: backports dont backport main packages iirc
[07:49] <gnomefreak> Whoopie: its the same things looks and menus
[07:49] <gnomefreak> hence the reason i hate xchat 2.6.6
[07:50] <LaserJock> backports can be of anthing, I think
[07:50] <Whoopie>  OK: debootstrap_<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu3~dapper1.dsc
[07:50] <Whoopie>      -> Component: main Section: admin
[07:50] <LaserJock> anyway .....
[07:50] <LaserJock> the thing to do is to ping jdong or the archive team to see if it is a problem or not
[07:50] <LaserJock> it could be it is on it's way
[07:50] <LaserJock> or it could have gotten stuck or something
[07:51] <Whoopie> LaserJock: can you do it? don't know how to do it, sorry.
[07:52] <Whoopie> ah, jdong is on #ubuntu-devel
[07:52] <gnomefreak> yep he just got htere
[07:52] <imbrandon> i just did
[07:53] <LaserJock> done
[08:04] <somerville32> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/58493
[08:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58493 in Ubuntu "Broken Package: totem-gstreamer-firefox-plugin" [Untriaged,Confirmed]
[08:23] <bluefoxicy> yay https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/profile-memory-management-efficiency
[08:23] <bluefoxicy> and hoard is not working >:|  it segfaults everything.
[09:13] <geser> somerville32: have you dapper-updates for universe enabled? There is a correctly versioned package of totem-gstreamer-firefox-plugin included
[09:14] <somerville32> I believe so.
[09:15] <somerville32> I guss I should post my source list - just let me clean up dog puke first :(
[09:15] <somerville32> *guess
[09:15] <lotusleaf> O_o
[09:15] <lotusleaf> well I can skip lunch now
[09:20] <kristog> LaserJock: i'm wrong if i say that the merge-o-matic queue is empty?
[09:21] <LaserJock> kristog:  the queue? there are merges still needing to be done for Universe I believe
[09:21] <kristog> 0 outstanding merges
[09:22] <LaserJock> hmm, I'm not sure what outstanding merges means
[09:23] <LaserJock> I'm pretty sure anything on http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html can be done
[09:25] <kristog> :)
[09:25] <bddebian> Yeah, all the NEW and Updated merges can be done
[09:26] <kristog> bddebian: for example: gnomebaker should be updated?
[09:28] <bddebian> kristog: Aye, or synced
[09:31] <ryanakca> I'm having trouble with cdbs debian/rules + debuild -S -sa... http://pastebin.ca/157777
[09:31] <ryanakca> and my guess is that it's something foolishly simple...
[09:34] <bddebian> ryanakca: Make sure those are tabs and not spaces
[09:35] <ryanakca> bddebian: they're tabs... unless vim has some wierd tabbing convention/method
[09:36] <ryanakca> yep... stupid vim
[09:36] <ryanakca> I changed them to emacs tabs, and it works
[09:37] <bddebian> heh
[09:37] <kristog> no, at last stupid vim user ;)
[09:37] <ryanakca> kristog: yes, stupid for using vim
[09:38] <zul> ryanakca: you dont have a space above that line?
[09:38] <kristog> this was not my point...
[09:38] <kristog> ahahah
[09:38] <kristog> :)
[09:38] <ryanakca> zul: a space above what line?
[09:38] <zul> line 14
[09:38] <ryanakca> kristog: your point was?
[09:39] <bddebian> See, I know something Once in a while :-)
[09:39] <ryanakca> bddebian: yes
[09:39] <bddebian> Oh no
[09:40] <kristog> ryanakca: forget it :)
[09:40] <AnAnt> bddebian: hiding from me ?
[09:40] <ryanakca> kristog: O.o  ok :)
[09:40] <bddebian> AnAnt: Yep ;-)
[09:41] <AnAnt> ok
[09:41] <ryanakca> zul: no, no space above line 14
[09:41] <AnAnt> but 'acon' doesn't have a manpage supplied with it, and I dunno how to write manpages, so I dunno what to do
[09:42] <AnAnt> I solved the other two issues & uploading it now
[09:42] <bddebian> AnAnt: Either write one, ask someone to write one, or ignore it :-)
[09:42] <AnAnt> ok, I will ignore it
[09:42] <ryanakca> AnAnt: is it a kde app?
[09:42] <AnAnt> since the acon author isn't replying my email !
[09:43] <AnAnt> ignore what ? the manpage or the entire package ?
[09:43] <ryanakca> AnAnt: in revu they didn't want to advocate until I had written a manpage... it's simple... I'll give you a template and you just have to fill it in :)
[09:43] <AnAnt> ryanakca: nope, virtual console app.
[09:43] <AnAnt> ryanakca: ok, thanks a lot !
[09:43] <AnAnt> ryanakca: please do
[09:44] <ryanakca> AnAnt: http://rkavanagh.homelinux.org/~ryan/foo.1
[09:44] <AnAnt> bddebian: as for KDE, I removed the Replaces: field, kept the Conflicts: filed
[09:44] <AnAnt> bddebian: now for archmage, I really need to discuss that
[09:45] <AnAnt> bddebian: what do you by that you only want one changelog entry ?
[09:45] <ryanakca> AnAnt: what you packaging with? cdbs?
[09:45] <geser> AnAnt: does the programm have a goog --help output? if yes, then you could try help2man to get a start
[09:45] <AnAnt> bddebian: I simply cannot remove the entry made by the original author ! isn't that morally incorrect ?!
[09:45] <geser> s/goog/good/
[09:45] <AnAnt> ryanakca: debhelper
[09:45] <AnAnt> geser: what is good ?
[09:46] <bddebian> AnAnt: Meaning that if this is the first time it's in Ubuntu/Debian, the debian/changelog should only say "Initial Release"
[09:46] <ryanakca> AnAnt: oh
[09:46] <bddebian> AnAnt: Isn't there an upstream changelog in the source already?
[09:46] <geser> I had a typo in my sentence
[09:46] <AnAnt> geser: I understand, I mean what is a "good" help ?
[09:47] <dholbach> good night guys
[09:47] <AnAnt> bddebian: huh ?
[09:47] <bddebian> Gnight dholbach
[09:47] <geser> is it enough to generate a manpage from it?
[09:47] <ryanakca> G'night dholbach
[09:47] <dholbach> night fellas
[09:47] <kristog> night dholbach
[09:47] <bddebian> AnAnt: The changelog file in the debian/ dir is specifically about the Distribution changes, not the source changes
[09:48] <AnAnt> geser: I'd say so
[09:48] <bddebian> AnAnt: The author should have their own changelog file in foo-1.0/
[09:48] <AnAnt> bddebian: yes, but the author is the one who originally made the debian/ package too
[09:49] <AnAnt> bddebian: and I added NOTHING to that packaging he did
[09:49] <bddebian> Well that is bad unless they are a.. Nevermind, it's fine then
[09:49] <AnAnt> bddebian: so I can't remove his entry in changelog, all what I did is changed the version naming to -0ubuntu1
[09:49] <AnAnt> bddebian: so you will advocate it ?
[09:50] <AnAnt> geser: ok, I am getting help2man, thanks
[09:51] <bddebian> AnAnt: Sure
[09:51] <AnAnt> bddebian: thanks !
[09:52] <AnAnt> bddebian: ok, you'll need to hide, because I just re-uploaded acon & kchmviewer
[09:53] <bddebian> AnAnt: OK, I'm getting ready to head home so I will try to hit them tonight
[09:54] <AnAnt> ok
[09:56] <welshbyte> ping -f bddebian
[09:57] <welshbyte> bddebian: did you get my email?
[09:57] <AnAnt> anyone knows of a manpage of several commands ?
[09:58] <bddebian> welshbyte: Aye, but I haven't gotten to do it yet.. :-(
[09:58] <welshbyte> bddebian: ok, no rush :)
[10:01] <bddebian> Anyway, time to head home.  Later gang
[10:01] <LaserJock> hehe, cya
[10:02] <AnAnt> ok, how do I make a <BR> in manpages ?
[10:03] <AnAnt> line break
[10:04] <welshbyte> .br
[10:04] <kristog> .BR
[10:04] <welshbyte> lowercase i think
[10:04] <kristog> wait..
[10:04] <kristog> yes, lowercase :)
[10:05] <welshbyte> :)
[10:08] <AnAnt> thanks
[10:23] <AnAnt> geser: ok, thanks for the info on help2man
[10:23] <AnAnt> isn't there a readme2man ?
[10:25] <somerville32> Do we have a help2woman?
[10:26] <AnAnt> hehe
[10:27] <welshbyte> AnAnt: i don't think the content of the generic readme file would be suitable for a man page, so probably not
[10:27] <welshbyte> i know there's help2man though
[10:27] <welshbyte> ah, you already mentioned it :)
[10:28] <AnAnt> welshbyte: well, the readme that comes with the software is better than the --help output
[10:30] <AnAnt> well, nevermind
[10:30] <AnAnt> thanks for the help
[10:44] <redguy> has anyone been playing with firefox2.0 yet?
[10:45] <redguy> I'm trying to make firefox 2.0 use a directory other than ~/.mozilla on my Ubuntu box. I'm running the configure script with the --with-user-appdir=.fox2. Firefox is creating the ~/.fox2 directory but it is still using .mozilla. Is there anything more I should do in order to make it use the .fox2 directory?
[10:45] <redguy> I just don't want the new firefox to mess up my profile...
[10:47] <ryanakca> redguy: don't bother with it
[10:48] <ryanakca> redguy: FireFox 2.0 crashes every 10-15 minutes on my system
[10:48] <ryanakca> redguy: and most of the themes/extensions aren't supported yet
[10:48] <redguy> heh
[10:49] <redguy> ryanakca: that's why I'm afraid it might mess up my profile ;-)
[10:49] <ryanakca> are you going to be using FF <IP_ADDRESS>?
[10:50] <ryanakca> if you aren't... just move ~/.mozilla to ~/.mozilla.old
[10:50] <LaserJock> I used FF2.0b2 on my mac, if that's any help (I doubt it)
[10:51] <redguy> LaserJock: your own build?
[10:51] <LaserJock> no
[10:51] <ryanakca> can someone please look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3004 ... only thing left is figure out if the image is GPL or not (from what I see)...
[10:51] <LaserJock> downloaded from mozilla
[10:54] <gnomefreak> firefox 2.0 beta 2 fixes the crashing on every start up among other things
[10:55] <gnomefreak> ive been waiting for iwj to get back from holiday
[10:56] <gnomefreak> beta 1 gave me and loooking at LP alot of others alot of issues so i compiled beta 2 and i no longer have any of the issues
[10:56] <gnomefreak> that and the nvidia drivers from nvidia
[10:57] <ajmitch> it's currently been open for 10 days, with several windows full of tabs
[10:57] <ajmitch> probably just as stable as 1.5 for me
[10:57] <gnomefreak> it always gave me the firefox is already running error when tried to open it (no ff process was running )
[10:58] <gnomefreak> thunderbird did that to me too for a while
[11:00] <ajmitch> it's amazing how many users on the forums were so eager to get knot 2
[11:00] <LaserJock> why?
[11:01] <LaserJock> they always love the latest crack
[11:01] <ajmitch> yes
[11:01] <ajmitch> but seeing how many of them who were up waiting for the release, getting so anxious about it
[11:05] <crimsun> we really ought to have a knot that just doesn't do anything but present a blinking cursor post-grub/lilo
[11:05] <LaserJock> crimsun: or at least a CLI only knot
[11:06] <ajmitch> "Now *this* is edgy!"
[11:06] <ajmitch> hm
[11:08] <ajmitch> oops
[11:08] <LaserJock> what package?
[11:08] <ajmitch> oh, just looked like bashisms in nis maintainer scripts
[11:08] <ajmitch> probably just a warning
[11:09] <LaserJock> this whole bash->dash thing has been interesting
[12:08] <bddebian> Heya gang


[00:54] <BenC> I realize this is likely not the proper place and most people are out for the weekend, but for anyone in the Dallas/Fort Worth area looking for a job working on Ubuntu systems with a company that builds servers and solutions based on those servers, please email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:56] <BenC> Even if you’re not DAL/FTW, if you’re a top notch programmer (firmware/kernel/low-level app), looking telecommute, email me as well. We may consider remote for the right person/people
[01:22] <psusi> infinity, it seems another week has slipped by ( and Ted Tso has poked again )... have you made any headway on util-linux?
[01:49] <dobey> slangasek: oh sorry. i hadn't seen that
[05:08] <darkxst> arm builds of gnome-control-center failed, but there are not even buildlogs...
[07:07]  * Laney retries them
[07:35] <Laney> looking good now, hopefully
[07:44] <darkxst> Laney, thanks!
[09:09] <debfx> ScottK: could you please set up https://launchpad.net/trusty-backports
[11:31] <hjd> Hi all. :)
[11:31] <hjd> freefem++ is listed as ftbfs in Utopic with an error message about unmet dependencies (https://launchpadlibrarian.net/173942186/buildlog_ubuntu-utopic-i386.freefem%2B%2B_3.30-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz). It built successful for me locally though (only tried i386). Could someone please schedule this package for a rebuild?
[11:46] <darkxst> hjd, "E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages." are one of those stuck in -proposed queue maybe?
[11:54] <hjd> darkxst: I don't think so. Did you get that now or from the report?
[11:55] <darkxst> hjd, just guessing based on your log!
[11:57] <hjd> Aha, that's the report from http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/. :) However, when I built it locally yesterday it worked fine without any problems. So it might have been some package stuck in -proposed or something else. It seems to have been resolved now though.
[11:59] <debfx> hjd: done
[11:59] <debfx> fwiw the builders have -proposed enabled
[12:00] <hjd> Oh, I didn't know that.
[14:44] <ScottK> debfx: Done.
[14:49] <ScottK> Did utopic too, while I was thinking about it.
[15:33] <debfx> ScottK: thanks
[17:27] <galgalesh> I submitted a merge request for the software center, but I'm not sure if I implemented it the right way. Is there a way to get feedback about it, or do I just wait until it gets approved/denied?
[17:27] <galgalesh> https://code.launchpad.net/~merlijn-sebrechts/software-center/software-center/+merge/219099
[17:28] <galgalesh> *it's a bugfix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/968974
[22:56] <Wanglethrop> Herro?


[01:59] <MTecknology>  dbungert: sorry if I missed a response; I'm finally connected to a stable connection.
[19:24] <xrandr> Hi there.  I am looking for an easy walkthrough of creating a iscsi share on an ubuntu server that Proxmox can use to store its disks.  Currently the server is using a ZFS filesystem
[19:24] <xrandr> Does anyone know of a good guide/


[07:10] <XelHa> hi all
[07:11] <XelHa> I have a laptop and Edgy did not properly detected the native resolution.
[07:12] <pochu> XelHa: which video card and driver?
[07:12] <XelHa> the fix was pretty trivial, jut changing the configuration file for X and adding the 1280x800 resolution.
[07:12] <XelHa> where should I report this so that it would be fixed for Festy ?
[07:13] <pochu> XelHa: have you already tried feisty?
[07:13] <XelHa> no.
[07:14] <pochu> XelHa: then first try it, because it may be fixed
[07:14] <pochu> XelHa: also, which driver and card do you have?
[07:15] <XelHa> Radeon X 200M. first I used the default driver then switched to the one from ATI ( ... must have Baryl :)
[07:19] <pochu> XelHa: I suggest you to try feisty (you can simply try the live cd)
[07:20] <XelHa> OK, I'll give it a try. Thanks!
[07:21] <BackwardsDown> will beryl be in the standard repro's in feisty?
[07:24] <pochu> BackwardsDown: nop
[07:24] <pochu> BackwardsDown: but compiz is installed by default (though not enabled)
[07:25] <BackwardsDown> why didn't they go for beryl instead of compiz?
[07:25] <BackwardsDown> I thought beryl was better integrated in ubuntu?
[07:26] <pochu> I think beryl is more unstable than compiz
[07:27] <BackwardsDown> ah k
[10:47] <XelHa> I have a laptop who's native resolution is not properly detected. after installing i only get 1024*768 instead of the 1280*800.
[10:48] <XelHa> The latest Feisty does not solve the problem.
[10:49] <XelHa> It can be easily solved by changing the X config file and adding the native resolution.
[10:49] <XelHa> where should I report this?
[10:52] <DreamerHxC> hi all
[10:53] <DreamerHxC> I have an Acer Aspire 1691 with Inte pro 2200 wireless card. I have Edgy eft and I'm currently connected to my wireless but it's not woking, and it's properly configured. Can you please help me?