[19:41] <XxNemoXx> its in my hand right now
[19:41] <MonkeyDust> XxNemoXx  usb/dvd*
[19:41] <XxNemoXx> and it killed my computer
[19:41] <fearnothing> habibi did you mean to ask me that question? because I have no idea...
[19:41] <XxNemoXx> yesterday
[19:42] <habibi> fearnothing, yeah i was trying to strip down the question to its basics. i suppose i will just test it on a VM myself. but thanks for answering though. appreciate it :)
[19:42] <OerHeks> XxNemoXx, insert you OS disc, boot, and choose repair?
[19:42] <OerHeks> * for windows that is
[19:43] <XxNemoXx> SO I LOSS $1000
[19:43] <proudbyte> this makes miracles sudo grep -rl "<IP_ADDRESS>/24" /etc/
[19:43] <MonkeyDust> XxNemoXx  caps
[19:43] <proudbyte> I've found the it
[19:43] <OerHeks> XxNemoXx, yes, not our problem
[19:43] <XxNemoXx> WOULD I GET KICKED OR BANNE D
[19:43] <XxNemoXx> D
[19:43] <XxNemoXx> D
[19:43] <XxNemoXx> D
[19:43] <XxNemoXx> D
[19:44] <habibi> yeah it felt like he was a joker
[19:45] <Palendrome> yeah I was thinking he was just a kid on the buss
[19:45] <fearnothing> habibi - tried those things, no dice
[19:47] <yago> Hello! I've had some problems finishing to set up my Xen VM. The USB passthrough, specifically
[19:48] <yago> I want to connect to the DomU an USB HDD, which is plugged into the host machine
[19:49] <yago> I set "usb = 1" and added the disk's ID (which I got with lsusb) to "usbdevice", but the guest machine doesn't see any new disk
[19:49] <yago> I've tried with Windows and Ubuntu as guest OSs, both without success
[19:54] <discopatrick> what is the 'root' user's default value for HOME?
[19:55] <ikonia>  /root
[19:55] <Palendrome> discopatrick: /root
[19:55] <discopatrick> thanks!
[19:55] <ikonia> but there is no enabled root user on ubuntu
[19:55] <XxNemoXx> PLS
[19:55] <XxNemoXx> DONT KICK ME
[19:55] <ikonia> XxNemoXx: stop talk in caps
[19:56] <XxNemoXx> ok
[19:56] <asadfg> Is there any django dev willing to land a helping hand? :)
[19:56] <ikonia> asadfg: try the django channels
[19:57] <XxNemoXx> ikonia couple of minutes ago why did you kick me
[19:57] <ikonia> XxNemoXx: because you where behaving in an unacceptable way
[19:57] <XxNemoXx> ok
[19:57] <asadfg> @ikonia: Is is there another one beside 'django'  channel? :)
[19:57] <asadfg> I haven't used irc for a while now (8 yr or so, heh)
[19:57] <ikonia> asadfg: no idea, ask in #freenode how to use the alis service to search for channels
[19:58] <MonkeyDust> asadfg  is that python?
[19:58] <asadfg> Yeap
[19:58] <MonkeyDust> asadfg  python has its own channel
[19:58] <asadfg> but the problem is mainly related to Django framework
[19:58] <XxNemoXx> have you sen dubstepguy101
[19:58] <XxNemoXx> seen i meant
[19:58] <Palendrome> heh haven't used IRC in years, it's like the Shortwave radio of the IT community, everything else may fail, but IRC will stand
[19:58] <ikonia> XxNemoXx: no, this is not a channel for social chatter
[19:59] <ikonia> XxNemoXx: this channel is for ubuntu support discussion only, please do not stray from that topic
[19:59] <XxNemoXx> i mean has dubstepguy ok
[20:01] <fearnothing> ok so I've posted in the ubuntu help forums to see if they can get me any further with skype
[20:01] <XxNemoXx> can you kick me i cant get out of this server
[20:02] <fearnothing> in the mean time, where has ubuntu put the configurations for the file/directory browser these days?
[20:02] <whatspoppindawg> wtf is this
[20:02] <fearnothing> actually, found it in the sensible place :)
[20:02] <XxNemoXx> Can u kick me
[20:03] <XxNemoXx> i cant get out of this server
[20:03] <whatspoppindawg> where am I
[20:03] <OerHeks> whatspoppindawg, read the topic
[20:03] <whatspoppindawg> the topic is ubuntu?
[20:03] <MonkeyDust> whatspoppindawg  type   /topic
[20:04] <XxNemoXx> Pls kick me i cant get out of this server
[20:04] <XxNemoXx> ikonia
[20:04] <MonkeyDust> XxNemoXx  type   /quit
[20:05] <XxNemoXx> thank u
[20:05] <XxNemoXx> Now i can get out of this server
[20:07] <XxNemoXx> how do i install ubuntu
[20:07] <XxNemoXx> how do i install ubuntu
[20:07] <ikonia> !install | XxNemoXx
[20:08] <XxNemoXx> Same message UBuntu
[20:08] <ikonia> XxNemoXx: read the links
[20:08] <Pici> XxNemoXx: What part of the install are you having issues with?
[20:10] <yago> I have this issue with Xen, and no one at #xen has answered. Can you guys please recommend me any way to contact with someone who can solve my problem? I'm a bit frustrated
[20:12] <OWTOS> Go on with it
[20:12] <yago> OWTOS, was that for me?
[20:12] <OWTOS> n/m
[20:14] <Hoffman> Heya
[20:14] <Hoffman> I'm getting errors regarding cryptographic signatures on added third-party repositories
[20:14] <Hoffman> The errors are correct, these repositories are incorrectly signed, or not signed at all
[20:14] <DarkBlueShark> hello
[20:14] <Hoffman> How do I bypass this when performing an apt-get update, since I do not care about the signatures in this case?
[20:15] <DarkBlueShark> I have a problem with my network card. ndiswrapper isnt working and there's no driver for my network card any ideas?
[20:15] <OerHeks> Hoffman, what third-party repos? they should provide a key
[20:15] <bekks> DarkBlueShark: Get a supported card?
[20:15] <Hoffman> OerHeks: but they didn't, and I still want to update the repo
[20:15] <Hoffman> OerHeks: nvidia, for instance
[20:15] <ikonia> Hoffman: you don't bypass it - you have a problem
[20:15] <yago> Hoffman, I think it's with "sudo apt-get --allow-unauthenticated upgrade"
[20:15] <ikonia> Hoffman: what nvidia repo ?
[20:16] <Hoffman> yago: thats for upgrade, not update
[20:16] <Hoffman> ikonia: cuda
[20:16] <OerHeks> Hoffman, don't use other drivers outside our repos. besides our own drivers,only the ubuntu-driver ppa is tested.
[20:16] <ikonia> Hoffman: what is the url of the repo
[20:16] <Hoffman> so this update removes options from the end user, and punishes them for the actions of somebody else?
[20:16] <Hoffman> OerHeks: I want to
[20:17] <ikonia> Hoffman: no-one is being punished, what are you talking about
[20:17] <Hoffman> ikonia: http://developer.download.nvidia.com/compute/cuda/repos/ubuntu1504/x86_64/Release
[20:17] <Hoffman> ikonia: not permitting educated users to bypass the signature check is a punishment
[20:17] <yago> Hoffman: my bad, sorry
[20:17] <ikonia> Hoffman: so that repo is managed by nvidia - if they are not signing their packages then they shouldn't be shipping a gpg key
[20:18] <Hoffman> ikonia: okay, what they should and shouldn't be doing is outside the scope of this discussion
[20:18] <Hoffman> they have done, so far, what they have done so far
[20:18] <ikonia> Hoffman: no it's not
[20:18] <ikonia> Hoffman: your solution is to contact them and ask them to fix their repo
[20:18] <Hoffman> now, at this point in time, given what they have and have not done, how do I bypass the signature check and update the repo?
[20:18] <Hoffman> ikonia: so ubuntu is punishing users for the behavior of somebody else
[20:18] <ikonia> Hoffman: you contact them and ask them to fix their repo
[20:18] <OerHeks> Hoffman, the nvidia cuda site have only drivers for 14.04 and 15.04 (EOL)
[20:18] <ikonia> Hoffman: ubuntu is not doing anything
[20:19] <Hoffman> collective punishment is generally frowned upon
[20:19] <OerHeks> https://developer.nvidia.com/cuda-downloads
[20:19] <Hoffman> ikonia: sure it is, you're removing the option to bypass the signature check
[20:19] <ikonia> Hoffman: mkaing up stuff is frowned on
[20:19] <ikonia> Hoffman: no-one has removed any option
[20:19] <Hoffman> Acquire::AllowInsecureRepositories no longer functions
[20:19] <ikonia> Hoffman: what version of ubuntu are you using
[20:19] <Hoffman> 16
[20:19] <ikonia> Hoffman: the repo link you supplied is for 15
[20:19] <Hoffman> ikonia: nonetheless, the software works with 16
[20:19] <ikonia> Hoffman: none the less the repo is for 15
[20:20] <Hoffman> ikonia: so?
[20:20] <OerHeks> Hoffman,  lols, no it does not
[20:20] <ikonia> Hoffman: so contact nvidia and ask them to make a 16 repo and sort hte pakage out
[20:20] <Hoffman> ikonia: are you saying that's the reason that apt is ignoring the Acquire::AllowInsecureRepositories setting?
[20:20] <ikonia> Hoffman: where are you setting that ?
[20:20] <OerHeks> we have http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/nvidia-cuda-toolkit
[20:20] <OerHeks> = same 7.5
[20:20] <Hoffman> in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99my-settings
[20:20] <Hoffman> ikonia: ^
[20:21] <user> Hi , I want know the time taken ubuntu when startup?
[20:21] <OerHeks> user, for 15.10/16.04?
[20:21] <user> 15.10
[20:22] <user> but Is there difference ?
[20:22] <ikonia> Hoffman: so --allow-unauthenticated still seems to work
[20:22] <Hoffman> user: it depends largely on your hardware as well
[20:22] <OerHeks> user,  systemd-analyze
[20:22] <OerHeks> user, for a complete view > systemd-analyze plot > filename.svg
[20:22] <Hoffman> ikonia: that appears to be a setting affecting apt-get install
[20:23] <Hoffman> ikonia: it does not have an effect on apt-get update
[20:23] <user> OerHeks thanks
[20:23] <ikonia> Hoffman: it would work on apt-get $anything as far as I can see
[20:23] <Hoffman> ikonia: well, it doesn't
[20:23] <ikonia> looking at the man page
[20:24] <Hoffman> mine says,
[20:24] <Hoffman> "Ignore if packages can't be authenticated and don't prompt about it."
[20:24] <OerHeks> Hoffman, you are chasing ghosts, the packages from nvidia.com are the same as in our repos = v7.5
[20:24] <Hoffman> in this case there are no packages
[20:24] <Hoffman> just the repo
[20:24] <ikonia> Hoffman: what ?
[20:24] <Hoffman> OerHeks: I'm sorry, I don't understand
[20:24] <ikonia> Hoffman: please pastebin "sudo apt-get update" and put the full output in a pastebin
[20:24] <Hoffman> OerHeks: the package I am trying to install does not exist in the default repos
[20:24] <ikonia> lets actually see what you see
[20:24] <Hoffman> ikonia: with the arg or no?
[20:24] <Hoffman> --allow-unauthenticated
[20:24] <ikonia> Hoffman: without
[20:25] <ikonia> Hoffman: just sudo apt-get update on it's own please
[20:25] <Hoffman> k
[20:30] <Hoffman> sorry, network dropped
[20:30] <Hoffman> http://pastebin.com/raw/sdKjsaNE
[20:30] <Hoffman> output of apt-get update above ^
[20:30] <Hoffman> sudo apt-get update*
[20:31] <OerHeks> Yes, google & nvidia uses weak digest algorithm (SHA1)
[20:31] <Hoffman> right
[20:31] <Hoffman> maybe they use no digest algorithm
[20:32] <Hoffman> given all the information, I still want to update the repo
[20:32] <Hoffman> there are, in fact, settings in apt which allow one to do this, presumably
[20:32] <Hoffman> however they do not work
[20:32] <OerHeks> no use of E: Failed to fetch http://developer.download.nvidia.com/compute/cuda/repos/ubuntu1504/x86_64/Release, as it is an old 15.04 repo
[20:33] <Hoffman> OerHeks: sorry, I dropped before I could see your response
[20:33] <Hoffman> OerHeks: what were you getting at with your previous link
[20:34] <OerHeks> Hoffman, they DO have a key, on http://developer.download.nvidia.com/compute/cuda/repos/GPGKEY >> wget -q -O - http://developer.download.nvidia.com/compute/cuda/repos/GPGKEY | apt-key add -
[20:34] <OerHeks> but no use at all
[20:35] <Hoffman> no use at all?
[20:35] <Hoffman> what does that mean
[20:35] <OerHeks> i am not going to repeat why.
[20:35] <Hoffman> your command has no use at all?  or the key has no use at all?
[20:35] <bekks> Hoffman: 15.04 is dead
[20:35] <Hoffman> bekks: which of the nvidia packages wouldn't work with 16.04, and why?
[20:35] <bekks> Hoffman: All packages from that repo, because the repo is for 15.04, and 15.04 is dead.
[20:36] <Hoffman> bekks: are those packages incompatible with the linux kernel version used in 16.04?
[20:36] <bekks> Hoffman: the repo is for 15.04, and 15.04 is dead.
[20:36] <Hoffman> bekks: no?
[20:36] <Hoffman> yes?
[20:36] <Hoffman> couldn't parse an answer
[20:36] <bekks> Hoffman: 15.04 is dead.
[20:36] <bekks> That is the answer.
[20:36] <Hoffman> still not parsing a yes or a no
[20:37] <xangua> No, no, no
[20:37] <xangua> Jeez
[20:38] <OerHeks> some tried, Hoffman > https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/932554/-ubuntu-16-04-install-cuda-7-5/
[20:38] <bekks> Hoffman: You are asking the wrong question.
[20:38] <Hoffman> xangua: well I'm told it's incompatible, but not given a technical reason why
[20:38] <xangua> ...
[20:38] <Hoffman> the only reason I'm being given doesn't go into any technical bases
[20:38] <bekks> Because those packages are build for 15.04, and 15.04 is dead.
[20:38] <Hoffman> ^ example
[20:39] <bekks> That IS a technical answer.
[20:39] <Hoffman> no it isn't
[20:39] <bekks> You just dont accept it.
[20:39] <OerHeks> let us know if you find a way to install it
[20:40] <Hoffman> bekks: the fact that you are wrong
[20:40] <Hoffman> doesnt mean I havent accepted that it isnt a technical answer
[20:40] <bekks> Hoffman: I am not wrong, that is th point. 15.04 is dead.
[20:40] <OerHeks> you would get a gcc error, anyway
[20:40] <Hoffman> bekks: you are wrong, your response is untechnical
[20:40] <Hoffman> OerHeks: thank you for the technical answer
[20:41] <Hoffman> it looks like the page you linked, links to another page which provides a technical answer as well
[20:41] <Hoffman> "The main limitation is that version 5 gcc compilers are not supported yet.... You have to modify a cuda header file to enable this gcc version to work."
[20:41] <Hoffman> bekks: what a technical answer may look like ^
[20:43] <Hoffman> OerHeks: the difficulty here is that I cannot even run simulated apt-get for cuda
[20:43] <bekks> Hoffman: If you dont accept the technical fact that 15.04 is dead, I cant change that. You have been given al information needed, and you are still discussing it. I'm out of your issue, please dont hilight me anymore regarding it.
[20:43] <Hoffman> due to the signature issue
[20:43] <Hoffman> bekks: your feelings are not a technical fact
[20:43] <bekks> Hoffman: Ignore set.
[20:43] <Hoffman> please refrain from confusing the two
[20:43] <Hoffman> since people here are interested in one of the two
[20:43] <tgm4883> what did I just read...
[20:44] <OerHeks> but we DO have CUDA 7.5.18 available in the Xenial multiverse repositories <> apt-get install nvidia-cuda-toolkit
[20:44] <Hoffman> thank you
[20:44] <Hoffman> I lost the link when rebooting and did not notice the name change
[20:45] <Hoffman> from "cuda" in one repo to "nvidia-cuda-toolkit" in the multiverse
[20:48] <Hoffman> tgm4883: "a farewell to arms"? :P
[20:49] <tgm4883> Hoffman: no, just the backlog for the last 15 mintues
[20:49] <Hoffman> ok, so metamorphoses, in which an ordinary dude turns into a monstrosity
[20:50] <pauljw> there's 15mins of life wasted
[20:50] <ikonia> Hoffman: what ?
[20:50] <Hoffman> the metamorphosis*
[20:50] <Hoffman> :P
[20:50] <Hoffman> ikonia: it's a book by Kafka
[20:50] <Hoffman> the writer, not the software
[20:51] <tgm4883> Hoffman: subtle
[20:51] <pistolpete> hi yall... I got a prob....while I was trying to upgrade ubuntu 14.04 to 16.04, the power went out... um I cant get back in.... any ideas
[20:51] <Hoffman> pistolpete: what message(s) do you get when you try to get back in
[20:51] <pistolpete> yep
[20:51] <pistolpete> i cant
[20:51] <ikonia> pistolpete: you'll need to be a bit more descriptive than "can't get back in"
[20:51] <Hoffman> pistolpete: what messages do you see on screen when you try?
[20:52] <pistolpete> whatda want ... it gets to the ubuntu page, then it wont go any further
[20:52] <tgm4883> pistolpete: the login page?
[20:52] <pistolpete> yeah
[20:53] <tgm4883> pistolpete: then you login and it just takes you back to the login page?
[20:53] <Hoffman> pistolpete: what happens when you try to login?
[20:53] <pistolpete> doesnt take it...
[20:53] <Pici> invalid password?
[20:53] <ikonia> pistolpete: please explain exactly
[20:53] <tgm4883> pistolpete: Does it show an FBI warning and shutdown the computer?
[20:53] <ikonia> rather than "doesn't take it" -
[20:53] <Hoffman> pistolpete: ok, so "taking it" is an example of what it doesnt do
[20:53] <Hoffman> pistolpete: now please tell us what it DOES do instead
[20:54] <Hoffman> pistolpete: alternatively, you can take a video with your phone of you trying to log in, and post it on youtube
[20:54] <tgm4883> Hoffman: he obviously needs to "apt-get install lightdm-taking-it"
[20:54] <Hoffman> but explaining it is better
[20:54] <Hoffman> oh he left
[20:55] <Hoffman> tgm4883: lol
[20:55] <nicu`> 'sup my americans
[21:01] <sveinse> How can I revert uefi boot/grub and go back to ordinary grub?  My wonder is genuine. I've never experienced this channel this quiet
[21:06] <fantomas_> It's hard to tell conversation from the coming/going messages
[21:07] <nicu`> sveinse send you contacts to the channel admin's for further experience
[21:07] <Palendrome> ahh I would imagine that the silence has a lot to do with the fact that it's Sunday afternoon/evening in the US
[21:09] <MonkeyDust> fantomas_  http://wiki.xkcd.com/irc/Hide_join_part_messages
[21:09] <fantomas_> MonkeyDust Beautiful, thank you
[21:13] <Hoffman> sveinse: http://askubuntu.com/questions/360543/convert-from-efi-to-bios-boot
[21:14] <OerHeks> also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI#Converting_Ubuntu_into_UEFI_or_Legacy_mode
[21:17] <sveinse> OerHeks: Do you if there is a CLI version of boot-repair?
[21:19] <curlyears> Where might I search for information and specifications for building a C library to be used under ubuntu and gcc?
[21:19] <ikonia> under gcc ?
[21:20] <ikonia> do you mean you want to write a c library ?
[21:20] <OerHeks> sveinse, no, gui only AFAIK
[21:20] <curlyears> gcc iss the default C commpiler shipped with ubuntu, I believe
[21:20] <ikonia> yes
[21:20] <ikonia> what is it you're actually trying to do
[21:20] <curlyears> ikonia:  yes, precisely
[21:21] <ikonia> so a c book about how to write C would be a good start, as well as documentation and the ##c channel
[21:21] <curlyears> I want to build some libraries for voice recognition and speech synthesis under C
[21:21] <ikonia> ok, so what do you need from #ubuntu support ?
[21:22] <curlyears> ikonia:  I have been programming in C for ever 30 years.  I have just never built a library before, nor I have seen documentation on how to do so
[21:22] <ikonia> curlyears: you've never built a library in 30 years of programming ?
[21:23] <curlyears> I wanted to know if library configuration was the same under ubuntu as under other OSes
[21:23] <ikonia> curlyears: a libray is just a set of functions to be referenced externally from the program/other programs
[21:23] <ikonia> it's just a common set of functions
[21:23] <curlyears> ikonia:  I am aware of what a library is.  In order for a library to function, it ahould have specfic construction, AIR
[21:24] <curlyears> OK, so nothihng but freesdtaning C modules, in an a.out format?
[21:25] <ikonia> I'd just get some basic docs on c libraryies on linux and look at some examples
[21:25] <ikonia> it's not a.out firmat
[21:25] <curlyears> in that case, I HAVE wrttten a number of libraries,  just never thought of them as such
[21:25] <ikonia> format
[21:25] <Mr-Frog> Hello. I know this probably isn't directly an Ubuntu problem, but I have been experiencing my desktop (Wake on Lan enabled) to be turning on at random times. Is there a way to determine which device is sending the packet?
[21:25] <ikonia> curlyears: perfect, you'll be flying then
[21:25] <ikonia> Mr-Frog: it's going to happen before the OS - hence the wake, the OS is asleep
[21:26] <Mr-Frog> I figured so
[21:27] <curlyears> wouldn't the OS networkk driver logs have some sort of entry regarding reception, by the hardware, of a WoN event?
[21:27] <ikonia> what network driver logs ?
[21:27] <ikonia> where are those logs ?
[21:27] <curlyears> hmmmm....no, I suppose not, ,probably handled by a module within the BIOS
[21:27] <Mr-Frog> hm
[21:28] <curlyears> aren't there logs where you can look up details of network activiies?  Hmmm.
[21:28] <ikonia> Mr-Frog: you can look at the syslog and see if the next "comm" event is whatever woke it up trying to finish what it started,
[21:28] <Mr-Frog> Would there be a way to see where the packet is coming from thru the router?
[21:28] <ikonia> Mr-Frog: the odds are slim
[21:28] <ikonia> curlyears: no
[21:28] <Mr-Frog> hm
[21:28] <Mr-Frog> ok
[21:28] <Mr-Frog> Thanks!
[21:28] <curlyears> Mr-Frog:    do you have a router hooked up to your desktop, and do you have admin acess to it?
[21:28] <Mr-Frog> I have admin access to it
[21:29] <OerHeks> Mr-Frog, you might want to keep watch on port 7/9, to see if it happens often > sudo tcpdump -i eth0 '(udp and port 7) or (udp and port 9)'
[21:29] <curlyears> Most routers keep logs of activity, if you can match timing you might be able to discern the IP of the signal source
[21:29] <ikonia> the device won't go to slep then OerHeks
[21:29] <OerHeks> ikonia, i know, there is no log about the attempt, maybe it happens on regular basis?
[21:30] <curlyears> \tnx, OerHeks, I thought there were some higher level utils that would help, just couldn't remember which ones
[21:30] <ikonia> OerHeks: it's a fair guess, but then you won't know if thats the one that wakes it up, it could he happening 24x7 (again within reason)
[21:30] <Mr-Frog> I'm not really sure if there is any schedule happening, it seems pretty random
[21:31] <Mr-Frog> Though I haven't observed it in about 3 days.
[21:31] <Mr-Frog> I was just curious about it.
[21:31] <ikonia> Mr-Frog: do you run media services on your network ?
[21:31] <curlyears> it could be harmless, ,or it could be someone trying to hack into your system.  Do you keep valuable data or proprietary programs that you built on it?
[21:31] <Mr-Frog> We got a new "smart" roku tv not too long ago that seems to support media servers
[21:32] <ikonia> curlyears: what ????
[21:32] <ikonia> curlyears: he's just having a wake on lan event on his home network....what are you talking about
[21:32] <Mr-Frog> It's an 8-year old desktop that i just mess around with, really
[21:32] <ikonia> Mr-Frog: a common event like this for the average home user are media devices sending out a sort of "who's there" before they shutdown / brodcast
[21:32] <Mr-Frog> ah
[21:33] <Mr-Frog> interesting
[21:33] <OerHeks> Mr-Frog, if that wake up can be triggerd by the mouse too, heavy traffic could be the culprit
[21:33] <ikonia> Mr-Frog: they do it a lot before they shutdown
[21:33] <curlyears> ikonia:  THSAT SIGNAL HAS TO COME FROM SAOMEWHERE.  lIKE i SAID, IT COULD BE BENIGN AND HARMLESS, OR IT COULD ORIGINATE ELSEWHERE THEN HIS NETWORK, AS SOME SORT OF NEFARIOUOS WAY TO HACE INTO SYSTEMS.
[21:33] <curlyears> ooops
[21:34] <curlyears> I put absolutely NOTHING passt syscrackers?
[21:34] <ikonia> what ?
[21:34] <curlyears> why did I put a "?" on that last sentence?
[21:35] <Mr-Frog> I will monitor the TV and waking habits of this box
[21:35] <Mr-Frog> I likely think that is the culprit
[21:35] <ikonia> Mr-Frog: for most people - it's very common
[21:35] <ikonia> not saying thats you, it's a good starting point though
[21:35] <curlyears> Mr-Frog:   yes, that does seem the most liekly thing.
[21:35] <Mr-Frog> Thanks everybody!
[21:37] <curlyears> WakeOnLAN must use some specific signal, because even a LAN that has no active nodes on it yet has "traffic" (keep alive, if tnothing else)
[21:37] <ikonia> what ?
[21:39] <curlyears> ikonia: all ethernet xceivers impolement a system of consatant activity call :kee alive" on their data media
[21:39] <ikonia> err no
[21:39] <ikonia> and what does this have to do with the question ?
[21:39] <curlyears> s/impolement/implement/
[21:40] <curlyears> soo because of keep-alive activity on the media, ,the LAN is never really "silent," it is just in an "idle" state, carrying no useful data packets
[21:40] <ikonia> curlyears: who are you telling this to ?
[21:40] <ikonia> no-one is asking how networking works
[21:41] <mcphail> curlyears: perhaps move this to #ubuntu-offtopic and keep the channel clear for support?
[21:41] <curlyears> as ma result of which, there must be some pre-defined data packet that ttriggers WoLAN
[21:41] <ikonia> curlyears: why are you saying this ?
[21:41] <ikonia> no-one is asking how WOL works
[21:42] <curlyears> mcphail:  you are correct that this prolongatinon of the topic is inappropriate here, but the origianl statements on this topic were in direct  R3491420onse to another's question
[21:42] <curlyears> never mind. I *DO* talk to much, so I'll just back off
[21:42] <curlyears> sdowwy
[21:43] <curlyears> s/sd/s/
[21:45] <astory> Hi, I just upgraded to 16.04 but it seems that the install scripts for postfix keep breaking my config - it sets myhostname=dt.<IP_ADDRESS> when I try to reconfigure postfix, but that's not a valid value so the configuration fails.  Do I even need postfix / can I fix this?
[21:46] <astory> http://pastebin.com/cW7yJmit shows the errors
[21:53] <tgm4883> Trying to install 16.04 and getting "The 'grub-efi-ia32' package failed to install into /target/"
[21:55] <django_> hey
[21:55] <django_> so i have dual boot and i messed up the options display on boot
[21:55] <django_> i was trying to load a CD with linux (book called hacking the art of exploitation) and messed with BIOS settings
[21:55] <django_> and now the dual boot options dont show
[21:56] <django_> can anyone help
[22:00] <Palendrome> is grub still installed?
[22:00] <OerHeks> django_, so you hacked yourself, messed up the bios setting .. how about setting them back?
[22:00] <fantomas_> What do you mean you messed with BIOS settings?
[22:01] <django_> OerHeks, i did default bios and it dint fix it
[22:06] <newbsie> New to systemd (from 14.04/upstart) and confused about where to put webserver startup conf file?
[22:07] <newbsie> Looking at docs, suggest /lib/systemd/system/, but there is a lot of dirs in there....
[22:08] <cesso> come si chiama il server ubuntu per parlare in italiano?
[22:09] <OerHeks> cesso, #ubuntu-it
[22:11] <OerHeks> newbsie, depends what webserver, nginx? that would be /lib/systemd/system/nginx.service
[22:11] <OerHeks> newbsie, maybe you suffer an other problem, networkmanager not ready when service starts .. see http://askubuntu.com/questions/733097/nginx-wont-start-at-boot-using-systemd
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[22:13] <OerHeks> anonymous__, don't do that
[22:14] <newbsie> OerHeks: It's actually gunicorn
[22:16] <OerHeks> newbsie, never heard of that one. maybe #ubuntu-server is a better place to ask? all i can think of is find the gunicorn.service
[22:17] <OerHeks> if that exists, then network manager is not ready or the service is not enabled
[22:18] <newbsie> OerHeks: if you need to start multiple processes with different environemnt vars, do you just have multiple conf files? That is at least how it is in upstart....
[22:19] <OerHeks> newbsie, oh not sure about that if/how
[22:19] <OerHeks> maybe soneone else here knows the answer?
[22:19] <newbsie> OerHeks: thanks. I will try #ubuntu-server
[22:19] <OerHeks> c/someone
[22:22] <fantomas_> If I'm only using a computer for Netflix/DVDs/Spotify, is there much danger in keeping Ubuntu 14.04 installed as opposed to upgrading to 15.10 or 16.04?
[22:22] <OerHeks> fantomas_, if you keep updating, no, 14.04 is supported 'till 2019
[22:23] <Quatroking> How do I make my CLI install login automatically?
[22:23] <django_1> i have a partition ubuntu and widows how can i renstall grup
[22:23] <fantomas_> Okay. I'm having huge problems getting my graphics card (AMD Radeon HD4550) to work on 15.10 and I haven't even bothered trying 16.04
[22:24] <fantomas_> 14.04 seems to be working, at least, so I'll leave it there.
[22:25] <sveinse> wow, this device is resilient for not wanting to boot. Just reinstalled grub-pc, but still it will not boot.
[22:26] <OerHeks> Quatroking, maybe this page is any help > http://blog.shvetsov.com/2010/09/auto-login-ubuntu-user-from-cli.html
[22:26] <sveinse> I got this, but fixed it with setting bios_grub flag on the /boot partition in the GPT.  grub-install: warning: this GPT partition label contains no BIOS Boot Partition; embedding won't be possible.
[22:26] <Quatroking> Thanks
[22:26] <sveinse> But still nothing happens while booting. This time, black screen with a blinking cursor on top and no action
[22:28] <Quatroking> OerHeks, welp, I don't seem to have any tty1.conf
[22:28] <OerHeks> fantomas_, ATI 2xxx 3xxx and 4xxx are only supported by the opendriver
[22:28] <OerHeks> !ati
[22:29] <fantomas_> Does it make a difference if the video card is working (as far as I can tell), but the sound isn't?
[22:30] <OerHeks> fantomas_, sound issues, follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure
[22:30] <fantomas_> ubottu, checking out that link, thank you. Oerheks, I'll try the opendriver. I might have messed something up
[22:30] <Umeaboy> Hi!
[22:31] <Umeaboy> In 16.04 LTS I can't get Ubuntu Software Center to install tribler from the downloaded .deb.
[22:31] <Umeaboy> How can I make it install it?
[22:31] <Umeaboy> Without using the terminal.
[22:31] <fantomas_> OerHeks, I feel really dumb. I don't know how I missed this. Giving it a shot, thank you
[22:32] <LaserAllan> Well this isn't the nicest experiment I've had, I'm trying to reinstall Ubuntu on a friend's laptop and for some reason the actual process doesn't seem to start. I can get through Ali the steps until the installation but it doesn't seem to start
[22:32] <LaserAllan> It sounds like the is doing something though, not sure what is causing this
[22:32] <Umeaboy> LaserAllan: Can you film it and upload to demonstrate more?
[22:33] <minimec> Umeaboy: Install the gdebi programm with the software center and 'right click' 'open with gdebi' the package in the file manager.
[22:33] <triplc> please recommend a program which can input Traditional Chinese character by using mouse
[22:33] <triplc> ( i google and found "tegaki", but it is more "japanese" than "chinese", and it looks old )
[22:33] <LugariusRL> hey
[22:34] <Umeaboy> minimec: Got it, but shouldn't that be installed as standard since Gnome Software isn't used yet?
[22:34] <LugariusRL> in apt-get is an download only option--... does apt has this also?
[22:34] <LaserAllan> I could just take a picture and upload it
[22:35] <LaserAllan> I'm basically stuck at the screen where you name the computer and so on and it's just showing as it's losing
[22:35] <minimec> Umeaboy: I always install local packages in the terminal with 'sudo dpkg -i', so I don't know.
[22:35] <LaserAllan> Loading
[22:35] <LaserAllan> I've had Ubuntu on this machine for a few months not it's note time to give it back to my friend hence why I'm formatting
[22:35] <OerHeks> LugariusRL, apt-get download [package]
[22:35] <Umeaboy> LaserAllan: And if you used the iso as a Live version then?
[22:35] <minimec> Umeaboy: But you are right. gdebi has never benn installed by default...
[22:35] <Umeaboy> Does it stop when you try to install with the Live session as well?
[22:36] <LugariusRL> OerHeks No i mean apt not apt-get
[22:36] <OerHeks> LugariusRL, apt download [package] should work too, for 15.10/16.04
[22:36] <LugariusRL> ok... i try...
[22:36] <OerHeks> and apt-get is still valid on 16.04
[22:36] <Umeaboy> minimec: How do I quit the installation that it's trying to do? I don't know what process that is.
[22:36] <LugariusRL> oh it works... lel..
[22:36] <triplc> please recommend a program which can input Traditional Chinese hand writing recognition
[22:36] <Umeaboy> Guess I can just check with top.
[22:37] <LugariusRL> it doesnt stand in the help!
[22:37] <Umeaboy> triplc: Hand writing? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
[22:37] <sebsebseb> hi
[22:37] <OerHeks> noticed that too, but this is a transit, apt-get to apt.
[22:37] <Umeaboy> sebsebseb: Hi!
[22:37] <sebsebseb> Umeaboy: hej
[22:38] <Umeaboy> Gotta relogin....... Stupid installation hanged for tribler since I didn't have gdebi installed.
[22:39] <minimec> Umeaboy: the 'ugly' way... open a terminal and type 'xkill'. then choose the graphical program you want to kill.
[22:39] <LaserAllan> Umeaboy how do I do that?
[22:39] <sebsebseb> he's gone already
[22:39] <sebsebseb> and xkill can be fun :d
[22:39] <Sabel> Hi there! i just installed ubuntu and I'm pretty new to linux in general. Can anyone help me install a wifi driver..? i seem to be lacking one. Ethernet port is working fine though.
[22:39] <minimec> sebsebseb: indeed...
[22:40] <sebsebseb> Sabel: yes ossibly
[22:40] <sebsebseb> possibly
[22:40] <sebsebseb> Sabel: if your lucky it's just that you need to install the wireless driver seperatly from additional driers
[22:40] <sebsebseb> Sabel: one is hopefully waiting ready to go there in fact :)
[22:40] <Sabel> oh!
[22:40] <Sabel> how would i go about starting it then?
[22:41] <sebsebseb> Sabel: click the Ubuntu i con on the top left
[22:41] <sebsebseb> assuming your using Unity the default Ubuntu interface
[22:41] <Sabel> yep
[22:41] <sebsebseb> search your computer and onlien sources
[22:41] <sebsebseb> put in additioanl drivers
[22:41] <sebsebseb> additional drivers
[22:41] <Sabel> Is there an easy way to find out what wifi card i have?
[22:42] <sebsebseb> in the terminal it can be done and such
[22:42] <sebsebseb> but
[22:42] <sebsebseb> I think addditional drivers will say about it as well
[22:42] <sebsebseb> if there's a driver there
[22:42] <sebsebseb> Sabel: that's the first thing to do anyway,  see if there's a driver there or not
[22:42] <Sabel> Under software and updates?
[22:42] <Sabel> the additional drivers tab?
[22:42] <sebsebseb> Sabel: no
[22:42] <LaserAllan> I think I found the issue, one of the USB ports are bad for some reason. Seems like it didn't like to use it
[22:42] <sebsebseb> Sabel: or yeah maybe
[22:42] <sebsebseb> Sabel: opening up from the search will do it though
[22:43] <sebsebseb> search for additional drivers there's a graphical program
[22:43] <Sabel> In there i see an Nvidia driver
[22:43] <sebsebseb> Sabel: may have a driver in there for something else as well
[22:43] <sebsebseb> Sabel: ok Nvidia driver right good, anything else though?
[22:44] <sebsebseb> may want to install the Niviaa driver as well by the way
[22:44] <Sabel> and a processor micro code firmware
[22:44] <sebsebseb> Sabel: nothing for wireless?
[22:44] <Sabel> nah
[22:44] <sebsebseb> hmm
[22:44] <sebsebseb> Sabel: I had an issue wehre a working wireleess driver stoppd working on  a upgrade, had to ethernet and get again from addtional drivers
[22:45] <sebsebseb> and  with the live sessoin had to install from additional drivers as well
[22:45] <sebsebseb> Sabel: but ok nothing is coming up there in your case
[22:45] <Sabel> yeah unfortunatly
[22:45] <sebsebseb> Sabel: can find out what some of the hardware is though in the terminal at least
[22:46] <sebsebseb> Sabel: open up the terminal
[22:46] <sebsebseb> type in lspci that should list hardware in the machine including wireless
[22:46] <Sabel> i ran LSpci and found a "network controller"
[22:46] <sebsebseb> what did it say for that?
[22:46] <Sabel> and an ethernet controller, Ethernet is wired i assume.
[22:46] <sebsebseb> ethernet is the cable yes
[22:46] <luckybunny> welp... there goes my sound I guess
[22:47] <Sabel> "Quallcomm Atheros Device 0042 (rev 30)
[22:47] <luckybunny> I just upgraded to 16.04 and I'm not getting sound
[22:47] <sebsebseb> Sabel: oh!
[22:47] <sebsebseb> Sabel: that sounds like possibly quite a new wireless?
[22:47] <sebsebseb> is it?
[22:47] <luckybunny> at all. aplay -l returns no soundcards
[22:47] <Sabel> Maybe, Not super sure.
[22:47] <Sabel> Bought the laptop last year ish
[22:47] <sebsebseb> Sabel: how new is the computer?
[22:47] <luckybunny> my soundcard is NVIDIA Gf116 HD audio
[22:47] <Sabel> so not SUPER new
[22:47] <sebsebseb> Sabel: ok new enough to have a newish wirelss ok
[22:48] <sebsebseb> Sabel: you can connect it probably, it's just got to do something first hmm.  and I am not sure what
[22:48] <sebsebseb> and this probaby isn't going to help either, but it might
[22:48] <sebsebseb> !wireless
[22:49] <sebsebseb> Sabel: someone elses can hep here anyway if you stick around etc
[22:49] <sebsebseb> I would have thought
[22:49] <Sabel> yeah hopefully
[22:49] <sebsebseb> luckybunny: and you have looked around the sound sesttings?
[22:50] <sebsebseb> luckybunny: or pavucontrol even which I think isn't even instaleld
[22:50] <luckybunny> yup. dummy output only
[22:50] <sebsebseb> Sabel: ok good luck :)
[22:50] <django_> hey
[22:50] <sebsebseb> Sabel: in the old days people soetimes had to use the Windows driver but now most cards can work natively so :)
[22:50] <sebsebseb> django_: hi
[22:51] <luckybunny> also had some interesting boot shenanigans, but I'll leave those for after
[22:51] <django_> so im having trouble with grub
[22:51] <django_> dual boot isnt displaying
[22:51] <sebsebseb> django_: since when? and with what? Windows?
[22:51] <django_> sebsebseb, yeah its a windows system
[22:51] <Sabel> Yea i found this http://askubuntu.com/questions/708061/qualcomm-atheros-device-168c0042-rev-30-wi-fi-driver-installation but im not sure if that will help as its not EXACTLY the same as what mine is titled
[22:51] <sebsebseb> django_: did you just insal Ubuntu?
[22:52] <LaserAllan> OK so apparently Windows is more secure and stable than Linux, dumbest thing I've ever heard lol
[22:52] <sebsebseb> Sabel: that's also for a older version of Ubuntu the previous LTS
[22:52] <sebsebseb> Sabel: and Ndiswrapper is like a last resort thing now
[22:52] <sebsebseb> when there's no  other way to have it working
[22:52] <django_> sebsebseb, no so i go this book that has a linux OS on it to do practice from the book, and i was trying to boot through the CD ROM and changed some BIOS Settngs which i think messed it up. I went to defaut bios settings and it didnt help. Just boot straight to windows
[22:52] <sebsebseb> I  am not even sure who really uses Ndiswarpper to be honest
[22:53] <sebsebseb> since wireles in general has improved quite a bit with Linux in the past few years
[22:53] <sebsebseb> django_: ok BIOS not UEFI?
[22:53] <django_> sebsebseb, yeah i changed UEFI to CSM
[22:53] <django_> and then back
[22:53] <django_> lol
[22:54] <k00l3th4n> LaserAllan: Yes! Windows is way more secure... Ha! lol
[22:54] <sebsebseb> django_: what's CSM?
[22:54] <django_> idk if it was CSM
[22:54] <django_> i think it was
[22:54] <django_> maybe some other 3 letter thing
[22:54] <sebsebseb> django_: worst case sinario you removed Windows or pretty much by mistake :d
[22:54] <Sabel> How does one check their current version of ubuntu?
[22:54] <sebsebseb> !release
[22:54] <Sabel> thank you
[22:54] <sebsebseb> hmm
[22:54] <sebsebseb> well maybe wrong factioid
[22:55] <sebsebseb> there's an about ubuntu some where
[22:55] <sebsebseb> in Ubuntu itself I belive
[22:55] <sebsebseb> django_: so Ubuntu boots, but not Wndows?
[22:56] <sebsebseb> django_: or Windows boots up but not Ubuntu?
[22:56] <k00l3th4n> ubottu: Run the command uname -a or go to system detail and it will display there.
[22:56] <LaserAllan> My neighbor just said it and I'm like yes sure....  Even on my windows gaming rig. But I think Linux needs to get out there to make more people use it ;)
[22:56] <sebsebseb> LaserAllan: Linux distributions most of them geerally are more secure though, since how they are set up, and how they have been designed
[22:57] <sebsebseb> LaserAllan: also loads of peole think there WIndows  installs are perfectly clean, when actsually they may not be
[22:59] <LaserAllan> sebsebseb I only use Windows for gaming, because I kinda have to. But yeah Vista actually tried doing the permissions thing but failed horribly on many lines
[23:00] <Sabel> Hi seb, i found a guide on how to get my card working. Its asking me to copy a folder into /lib/firmware/ath10k: but its not letting me move anything into there.
[23:00] <LaserAllan> If just Linux gets the same kind of gaming support that Windows had there wouldn't be any reason to use windows at all anyway thanks for the help;)
[23:00] <sebsebseb> Sabel: what's the guide link?
[23:00] <django_> hey
[23:00] <django_> sorry got d/c
[23:00] <sebsebseb> Sabel: and yes Linux has security s
[23:00] <Sabel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1484159
[23:00] <sebsebseb> Sabel: permissions
[23:00] <sebsebseb> Sabel: so you can't just put stuff into places like that, it can be done though
[23:00] <django_> sebsebseb, yeah its CSM
[23:01] <django_> "UEFI Compatibility Support Module (CSM) provides compatibility support for traditional legacy BIOS"
[23:01] <django_> id like to just reinstall grub
[23:01] <django_> how can i do that
[23:01] <sebsebseb> Sabel: ok looks like that ink is from August last year
[23:02] <Sabel> Django, tried boot repair?
[23:02] <sebsebseb> django_: what I think you should do is try anad re set the UEIF bios back to defaults
[23:02] <sebsebseb> django_: well what boots up right now?
[23:02] <sebsebseb> if anything? Windows? Ubuntu?
[23:02] <django_> sebsebseb, straight to windows
[23:02] <django_> no grub meny
[23:02] <Sabel> yeah you can try boot repair.
[23:02] <sebsebseb> django_: you have to put Ubuntu in the right bit
[23:02] <sebsebseb> django_: in fact I think I know what you may have done :d
[23:02] <sebsebseb> django_: took me a while to figure this one out when I did stuff with UEFI on this lap top or whatever but yeah
[23:02] <Sabel> that too, i had to set ubuntu to the first boot option in the bios to get the grub menu
[23:03] <sebsebseb> django_: when you install Ubuntu you have to point it to a UEFI partition basically so the one for WIndows
[23:03] <sebsebseb> django_: that's with UEFI though
[23:03] <django_> sebsebseb, idk anything whts uefi?
[23:03] <sebsebseb> django_: and with UEFI you have to disable secure boot probably to load up the CD's etc
[23:03] <sebsebseb> django_: you got the old BIOS set up, or you got a newer computer with UEFI
[23:04] <sebsebseb> django_: CSM or whatever is for UEFI. there's a legay mode yeah
[23:04] <django_> sebsebseb, ??
[23:04] <sebsebseb> django_: I said what's CSM, you copied in a description it talked about a UEFI bios
[23:04] <django_> sebsebseb, can i enter BIOS settings and ill msg you on phone
[23:04] <django_> brb
[23:05] <sebsebseb> Sabel: I thin with your guide
[23:05] <sebsebseb> Sabel well it's a new install anwayy no data, and your going to have to know how to get that wireless card working really so
[23:05] <sebsebseb> Sabel: so I guess you can attempt doing what the link said then, it might not be 100% for your card, but may work yes
[23:06] <sebsebseb> Sabel: and the directoy that it mentioend is locked yes, file permision security
[23:07] <sebsebseb> Sabel: in fact anything outside the home area will be locked by default, file permisisons, but sometimes people want to edit files that are part of the system and things like that yes
[23:07] <sebsebseb> !permissions
[23:08] <sebsebseb> Sabel: you can use sudo and become root/admin  to edit a file, or put something in a otherwise locked directory, for example
[23:09] <django_> I booted into ubuntu trial via usb and I don't see the option for boot repair
[23:09] <zykotick9> sebsebseb: \o  hope all is well with you.  </ot>
[23:09] <sebsebseb> zykotick9: yeah mostly I guess but not completly
[23:09] <sebsebseb> and hi
[23:09] <sebsebseb> django_: you shoudl re set the UEFI bios
[23:09] <sebsebseb> django_: then install Ubuntu in UEFI mode
[23:10] <django_> sebsebseb: I already had Ubuntu installed
[23:10] <sebsebseb> django_: and which version of Windows is on there? Windos 10? 8.1? what is it?
[23:10] <django_> Windows 8
[23:10] <django_> (Not 8.1)
[23:10] <sebsebseb> django_: ok, but I think both acstaully may need to be in UEFI mode to work nicely toether with Grub as well
[23:10] <sebsebseb> django_: Windows will be in UEFI mode
[23:10] <django_> Yes
[23:10] <sebsebseb> but if you use the legacy stuff
[23:10] <django_> But grub doesn't show
[23:10] <sebsebseb> well you can't mix  from what I have read before
[23:10] <django_> How do I run boot repair
[23:11] <sebsebseb> it has to be both using UEFI mode, if you want to boot and be able to use both, well from things I have read
[23:11] <sebsebseb> django_: and Grub also needs to install itself into the WIndows bit on the UEFI system
[23:11] <sebsebseb> or be pointed to that
[23:11] <sebsebseb> usually
[23:11] <sebsebseb> django_: yes it has to be pointed to a UEFI, or it won't show
[23:11] <django_> What do I do?
[23:11] <django_> Go into BIOS settings?
[23:12] <sebsebseb> django_: when I tried to dual boot this one, I installed Ubuntu in a few ways, it installedd, but no Grub
[23:12] <sebsebseb> django_: that was untill I pointed it to the Windows thing llike I am saying
[23:12] <django_> Grub was working
[23:12] <django_> Now it's not
[23:12] <django_> I wanna run boot repair
[23:12] <django_> How?
[23:13] <sebsebseb> django_: I think  you should probably, just re set the UEFI  BIOS back to defaults, and then start over
[23:13] <sebsebseb> but using UEFI this time
[23:13] <sebsebseb> I think Sabel just installed on a computer the UEFI way even
[23:13] <sebsebseb> dual bootin with Windwos
[23:13] <django_> I did reset bios settings to default but it won't show the options to boot into Windows or Ubuntu it goes straight Windows's
[23:14] <sebsebseb> django_: yes there can be two reasons for that!
[23:14] <sebsebseb> django_: one  Grub isn't on there properly as  I was trying to disaply,  or two  you just need to find a setting there to make Grub come up.  also  can you get into the boot options for the computer. you may find you can boot Grub up from that :d
[23:14] <luckybunny> so um
[23:15] <luckybunny> aplay gives me nothing. lspci shows my card
[23:15] <luckybunny> the card appears to be hooked up to the kernel just fine
[23:15] <sebsebseb> django_: for a while I coudn't figure out how to get GRub to come up first, I could get it up from the computers boot options though.  turns out I had missed a setting in the bios for UEFI once  I had gone into that and set it up yes Grub came up first, and booted both WIndows and Ubuntu up
[23:15] <django_> sebsebseb: I'd rather try boot repair
[23:15] <sebsebseb> django_: the boot is ok
[23:15] <django_> Idk bios settings I can't play with this
[23:15] <sebsebseb> django_: there is no boot repair idea or how y9ou are thinking I Thik.
[23:16] <django_> What do I do??
[23:16] <sebsebseb> django_: you just have to have the UEFI bios set up set up ok enough, and the osees installed, and should work ok after that
[23:17] <sebsebseb> django_: well   forget about CSM or legacy or whatever.  as I Was tryijgn to explain above, that's  probably the wrong thing to try and do, since WIndows will be in UEFI mode and your trying to dual boot
[23:17] <sebsebseb> django_: if you were just putting on Linux distros for example tehn sure legacy would be ifne
[23:17] <django_> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/YChgQPds/1463354241.JPG
[23:17] <sebsebseb> django_: my understanding is that when one OS is in UEFI mode, the other OS has to be as well really
[23:17] <django_> sebsebseb: it's already in eufi boot and it won't display grub options it goes to Windows without options
[23:18] <sebsebseb> django_: yes  I understand that bit
[23:18] <sebsebseb> django_: ok first thing to do is probably this,  get into the computers boot options
[23:19] <sebsebseb> django_: there should be a boot menu that you can get up, outside of the UEIF bios, when the computer is turned on or re booted
[23:19] <django_> sebsebseb: where is the boot options how do I get there. ??
[23:19] <sebsebseb> django_: F9 or something like that on your keyboard holidng that down could bring it up
[23:19] <django_> You mean bios settings?
[23:19] <sebsebseb> django_: look when it turns on for something, a message may come up
[23:19] <sebsebseb> django_: no not the bios settings or UEFI not what you showed me a screenshot of, but something else that should be on your computer
[23:20] <sebsebseb> django_: that's for later the BIOS settings!  first let's see if Grub is even on there!
[23:20] <landon1> uit
[23:20] <sebsebseb> and if you can bring it up yourself
[23:20] <sebsebseb> django_: when you turn on the computer a message may come up, something like press F2 to go into boot menu or boot options
[23:20] <sebsebseb> whata kind of computer is it anyway make?
[23:21] <django_> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/6b5LIJTO/1463354457.JPG
[23:21] <django_> That sebsebseb ?
[23:21] <django_> Toshiba
[23:21] <sebsebseb> django_: yes that looks like it
[23:21] <django_> Ok it was f12
[23:21] <django_> Now what?
[23:21] <sebsebseb> django_: I guess try those options does anything bring up Grub,  but it looks like nothing will bring it up Grub or probably not anwyay
[23:22] <sebsebseb> well something might
[23:22] <sebsebseb> try those options
[23:22] <sebsebseb> django_: if Grub is on there it should boot up from the boot menu
[23:22] <django_> Ohhhhhhh
[23:22] <django_> Fuck me
[23:22] <django_> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/7IAjrPQV/1463354552.JPG
[23:22] <django_> I'm so dumb
[23:22] <sebsebseb> django_: no no
[23:23] <sebsebseb> django_:  no it's good
[23:23] <sebsebseb> and ok
[23:23] <sebsebseb> django_: and how you get that up what you just linked to?
[23:23] <django_> I just hit enter
[23:23] <sebsebseb> django_: you hit enter where?
[23:23] <django_> I had the main hard drive highlighted and hit enter
[23:24] <django_> Lol it went to Windows even though I had Ubuntu highlighter
[23:24] <sebsebseb> django_: from the boot options?
[23:24] <django_> Highlighted
[23:24] <sebsebseb> django_: from the boot menu ?
[23:24] <django_> F12 and  there are four options one of them is the hard drive
[23:24] <django_> I selected the hard drive and hit enter
[23:24] <sebsebseb> django_: right your not done yet though, but this is progress
[23:24] <sebsebseb> you should be able to turn the computer on and have Grub up straight away without pressing F12 :)
[23:25] <django_> Yeah lol
[23:25] <sebsebseb> but it's going into Windows when you turn it on?
[23:25] <sebsebseb> at the moment?
[23:25] <django_> Yes
[23:25] <django_> No options
[23:25] <sebsebseb> yes it's like this computer when I messed around with UEIF
[23:25] <sebsebseb> django_: you basicaly got the issue I had
[23:25] <sebsebseb> when I set up UEFI uh
[23:25] <django_> What's does <enter setup> and <hdd recovery> do?
[23:26] <sebsebseb> django_: well you can looi through all the boot options that's ok, just don't change something :d
[23:26] <django_> How will thst help?
[23:26] <sebsebseb> look above
[23:26] <django_> I wanna solve this
[23:26] <Guest64966> Hey all, I'm having a bit of trouble with a Samba share. I have files owned by my user, and my Windows client is connecting to Samba as this user. But I can't modify these files from Windows unless the unix group mode is +w, even though the owner mode should be sufficient.
[23:26] <sebsebseb> django_: well you'll know what is on there already
[23:26] <django_> Bro I'm confused
[23:26] <sebsebseb> django_: and something should load up Grub to or possbily out of those, you said hard disk or whatever did?
[23:27] <sebsebseb> django_: step 1.  boot menu stuff,
[23:27] <Guest64966> When I view the file 'Security' in Windows it appears the owning account is unknown - shows as (S-1-5-21-....). I'm guessing that's the problem.
[23:27] <sebsebseb> django_: step 2. probably back to the UEFI bios to change a setting some where to make Grub come up first when the computer is turned on!
[23:27] <django_> Idk what eufi bios is!!!!
[23:27] <sebsebseb> django_: your computer
[23:27] <sebsebseb> django_: it's about a year old yeah?
[23:28] <django_> Nah more
[23:28] <sebsebseb> how old?
[23:28] <django_> 2013
[23:28] <sebsebseb> django_: yeah 2013 well it's probably UEFI anyway
[23:28] <sebsebseb> it looks like it's a UEFI computer going by your screen shots
[23:28] <sebsebseb> not the old BIOS set up
[23:28] <sebsebseb> hence that thing about CMS even that you copied in a descirpopn or whatever for earliler
[23:28] <django_> What do I do now?
[23:28] <sebsebseb> django_: yes it came with WIndows 8, it wil be UEFI
[23:29] <django_> Bios?
[23:29] <sebsebseb> django_: try out the boot options from the boot menu, so you know what's there etc,  and tell me  whcih one if any brings up Grub as well
[23:30] <django_> The only one with grub should be the HDD
[23:30] <django_> None of the three bring up grub
[23:30] <sebsebseb> django_: nothing in the boot menu brings up Grub?
[23:31] <sebsebseb> django_: and one of the otpoins brings up WIndows yes, which one?
[23:31] <django_> When I boot using USB to install Ubuntu it doesn't say that Ubuntu is already installed
[23:31] <sebsebseb> django_: if the boot menu isn't loading up GRub with any of it's options, then Grub probably isn't installed properly on there if at all
[23:31] <django_> Like it usually does
[23:33] <sebsebseb> django_: got any data in Ubuntu or Windows?  may be easier to just re set the bios to default settings, and re install Ubuntu at least, but the UEFI way, not the legacy way
[23:34] <django_> I already reset to default it didn't make a difference
[23:34] <sebsebseb> django_: the bios settings?
[23:34] <django_> Yes
[23:34] <sebsebseb> django_: yeah it may only do so much, if Ubuntu is in the wrong mode,  as in the legacy mode  and not the UEFI mode
[23:34] <django_> When I installed Ubuntu I didn't change any bios settings
[23:35] <sebsebseb> django_: you need to point  Ubuntu in the partioner to  the Windows UEFI
[23:35] <django_> Bah I don't wanna spend my weekend trouble shooting this
[23:35] <sebsebseb> django_: very easy to not do that on set up, or forget to do it
[23:35] <django_> Can I do that from Windows?
[23:35] <sebsebseb> django_: the current Ubuntu install is there any data on it?  that you don't want to lose?
[23:35] <django_> Yes
[23:35] <django_> I don't wanna rrinstall
[23:36] <django_> sebsebseb: when I click https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/7IAjrPQV/image.JPG Ubuntu
[23:36] <django_> It doesn't load Ubuntu, why?
[23:37] <sebsebseb> django_: oh two WIndows boot manager options?
[23:37] <sebsebseb> django_: which one loads up Ubuntu ?
[23:37] <django_> Noneeee
[23:37] <django_> I clicked all
[23:37] <django_> And all go to Windows
[23:37] <sebsebseb> django_: yeah things aren't set up right, hence no Ubuntu loading up
[23:37] <luckybunny> dammit I have a borked system
[23:38] <sebsebseb> django_: maybe Ubuntu isn't even on there anymore I don't know
[23:38] <django_> Yes it is
[23:38] <luckybunny> I should have listened when people said avoid 16.04
[23:38] <sebsebseb> django_: it probably is, but not being detected
[23:38] <django_> Already checked
[23:38] <sebsebseb> django_: already checked how?
[23:38] <sebsebseb> luckybunny: uh why?
[23:38] <django_> I went into Ubuntu via usb load and there was a Ubuntu file
[23:38] <luckybunny> but nooo... I though hey it's an LTS version, they're supposed to be more stable
[23:38] <sebsebseb> django_: USB drive?
[23:38] <django_> But it doesn't say you boon to is already installed
[23:38] <django_> Ubuntu
[23:39] <sebsebseb> django_: can you get into the Ubuntu partion for data at last? via say a  Live session?
[23:39] <luckybunny> sebsebseb: I 'upgraded' to 16.04. I had to start lightdm myself because upstart doesn't work, and I have no sound
[23:39] <sebsebseb> django_: I think your best bet is re installing Ubuntu, getting your data off the existent install first if you can access that side of things at least
[23:40] <sebsebseb> django_: then when you re install Ubuntu it can be done the proper way
[23:40] <luckybunny> cannot connect to com.ubuntu.upstart. name doesn't exist.. or something like that. plus no sound
[23:40] <luckybunny> can only log in on the command prompt
[23:40] <luckybunny> until I get lightdm up.. manually
[23:40] <sebsebseb> django_: where you do it in UEFI mode, and point  it to the aready exisigtng Wndows UEFI  thing as well, and then both should load up ok,  and you can tell teh BIOS to have Grub up first if it's not by default
[23:40] <sebsebseb> django_: UEFI is a bit conussing or at first
[23:41] <sebsebseb> django_: but well Microsoft wanted UEFI in all the newer PC's so
[23:41] <luckybunny> so yeah. should have stuck with 15.10
[23:41] <luckybunny> it worked
[23:41] <django_> Idk what you are saying lol
[23:41] <django_> Gibberish
[23:41] <sebsebseb> !uefi
[23:41] <django_> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/7vlkskcX/1463355697.JPG
[23:41] <django_> I'm in Ubuntu via "try Ubuntu on sub"
[23:41] <django_> Use
[23:42] <django_> Usb
[23:42] <sebsebseb> django_: ok that's from a USB flash drive?
[23:42] <django_> Yes
[23:42] <sebsebseb> django_: right well then, take your data off the UBuntu partition
[23:42] <sebsebseb> that youw ant to keep
[23:42] <sebsebseb> django_: may as well do it to WIndows as well whilst at it just in case
[23:42] <django_> Like when you install the operating system with a USB boot
[23:42] <sebsebseb> and then can go from there
[23:43] <sebsebseb> django_: when you re install Ubuntu and things are in UEFI mode,   where the installer says, wehre to put Grub
[23:43] <sebsebseb> django_: instead of saying  the master boot record ,  you point that to the /windows otion basicaly
[23:44] <django_> Man I'm a noob
[23:44] <sebsebseb> not done an install for a while but when your on the partioner that should make sense I guess :) but that's for when  you are using UEFI
[23:44] <django_> Idk what you are saying
[23:44] <sebsebseb> django_: how old are you :d ?
[23:44] <django_> Lol 24
[23:44] <django_> still a noob
[23:44] <sebsebseb> django_: Ubuntu is not installed right, you need to re install or should  try and do that
[23:45] <sebsebseb> django_: but next time round set up how I did my computer, and then both WIndows and Ubuntu should boot up ok :)
[23:45] <django_> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/c5crOTlj/1463355898.JPG
[23:45] <django_> sebsebseb: idk what you said point this to that idk what that means
[23:45] <sebsebseb> django_: don't do any partion stuff yet, you need to back up
[23:45] <minimec> django_: If you have a USB stick ready to use, you could try to mount the relevant folders of the ubuntu installation of yout harddrive and do a reinstallation/update of grub with chroot. See here... http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-repair-restore-reinstall-grub-2-with-a-ubuntu-live-cd
[23:46] <django_> minimec: try
[23:46] <sebsebseb> minimec: it's some sort of UEFI issue that django_ has,  probably what I had with this computer or very similar
[23:46] <django_> Ty
[23:46] <sebsebseb> minimec: only Windows loads up,  no Grub or Ubuntu
[23:47] <sebsebseb> minimec: I have a feeling that Ubuntu wasn't put on properly as well hence the issues
[23:47] <sebsebseb> django_: altough your issues started after you change something in the UEFI bios it seems as well hmm ?
[23:48] <Sebastien> What is wrong in this cronjob (It should run every 2 hours.
[23:48] <Sebastien> 0 2 * * *  /home/stats/pisg/pisg
[23:48] <FoeHammered> For some reason I read, "What's wrong with this corncob"
[23:48] <FoeHammered> I wonder if people who talk about cronjobs a lot read corncob as cronjob sometimes.
[23:48] <Pici> Sebastien: that would be at 2 am daily
[23:49] <Pici> Sebastien: 0 */2 * * * is every two hours.
[23:49] <sebsebseb> django_: back up data from teh current Ubuntu install,  re instal the UEFI way,  and put bios back to default before that and yep, should work
[23:50] <Pici> FoeHammered: it has never happened to me... though I suppose it may start now.
[23:50] <FoeHammered> You're welcome.
[23:50] <volkswagner> greetings!
[23:50] <FoeHammered> j0
[23:50] <sebsebseb> volkswagner: geekings
[23:51]  * luckybunny pissed off now
[23:51] <Sebastien> ty pici
[23:51] <luckybunny> was hoping to enjoy an evening of youtube after upgrading
[23:51] <django_> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/lO1dY8id/1463356292.JPG
[23:51] <luckybunny> but I might as well just throw on a couple of gifs
[23:52] <FoeHammered> Flip tables?
[23:52] <volkswagner> I'm running Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS server edition on 7.3Gig / partition with 3.3Gig avail, yet apt-get install -f fails with disk full
[23:52] <volkswagner> How much free space should I need?
[23:52] <sebsebseb> django_: cannot find EFI directory ok :d
[23:52] <sebsebseb> django_: in other words that Grub is not installed properly on there, if it's even on still
[23:53] <django_> Lol yeah
[23:53] <django_> Lord help me
[23:53] <sebsebseb> django_: I think your best bet is to do what I put
[23:53] <sebsebseb> django_: back up data from Ubuntu
[23:53] <sebsebseb> django_: and then re install it, but the proper way
[23:53] <volkswagner> I manually removed old kernels with dpkg, and I don't know how I can free up any more space
[23:53] <sebsebseb> the proper UEFI way
[23:53] <volkswagner> Is there a way to tell how much space is needed for apt-get install -f to complete?
[23:54] <Bashing-om> volkswagner: Command ' df -h ' indicates it is '/' that is full .. then ' dpkg -l | grep linix- ' how many old kernels are installed ?
[23:54] <sebsebseb> django_: I installed Ubuntu about five times re installed about five times
[23:54] <sebsebseb> django_: untill I figured out what to do etc
[23:54] <sebsebseb> UEFI uh
[23:54] <django_> Oh well
[23:54] <sebsebseb> took a while before it would boot up from boot optins,  later I put Grub first
[23:55] <FoeHammered> Say, while there's folks here, regarding System Shock 2... How's the music?
[23:55] <sebsebseb> django_: if ubuntu or Grub is not booting up from the boot menu, it means  it's not on properly simple as that
[23:55] <FoeHammered> It's not usually what people talk about.
[23:55] <FoeHammered> So I have no idea its reputation.
[23:55] <sebsebseb> django_: and so you shouold re install it
[23:55] <sebsebseb> django_: but properly
[23:55] <teward> !offtopic | FoeHammered, I think that's offtopic
[23:55] <FoeHammered> Oh! Sorry.
[23:55] <minimec> volkswagner: you could 'sudo apt-get autoclean' to remove obsolete packages in /var/apt/cache, but I don't know if that works when having some apt issues already.
[23:55] <FoeHammered> Heh. Though I was in a different chatroom.
[23:56] <FoeHammered> Fare y'all well!
[23:56] <ILI> hi
[23:56] <volkswagner> Bashing-om: Yes df -h is how I got numbers above, dpkg -l | grep linux- is showing kernels which I removed with dpkg —remove
[23:56] <sebsebseb> django_: well I have tried to help, but you don't seem to want to go forward with the thing that is likely to fix your issue :)
[23:56] <minimec> volkswagner: but... 3.3Gig of available space should be enough for an update...
[23:57] <django_> sebsebseb: yeah I'm gonna rrinstall
[23:57] <volkswagner> minimec: Yes, that's why I'm here :)
[23:57] <sebsebseb> django_: yeah but htere's an imporgtant step in the rei nstall
[23:57] <sebsebseb> django_: that you should do as well!
[23:57] <sebsebseb> django_: something that is easy to overlook
[23:57] <django_> Ok
[23:57] <Bashing-om> volkswagner: "rc" at the start of the lines ?
[23:57] <sebsebseb> django_: also before you re intsall, I guess put the UEFI bios completly back to it's default settings
[23:58] <sebsebseb> django_: if anything after that though disable secure boot, if your USB won't load up
[23:58] <django_> Should I disable now?
[23:58] <sebsebseb> django_: then re install Ubuntu,  and  when it gets to partitining
[23:58] <sebsebseb> django_: when it gets to the where to put grub
[23:58] <sebsebseb> in the installer
[23:58] <ILI> why do you want to install ubuntu?
[23:58] <volkswagner> Bashing-om: yes, rc is there, r=removed?
[23:58] <sebsebseb> point it to the windows option
[23:58] <sebsebseb> ILI: re install, UEFI issues
[23:58] <django_> Ok
[23:59] <ILI> ohw
[23:59] <django_> sebsebseb: in which step is it
[23:59] <ILI> isee
[23:59] <sebsebseb> django_: there needs to be a EFI
[23:59] <sebsebseb> partion thing
[23:59] <sebsebseb> django_: Ubuntu will use the one from WIndows
[23:59] <sebsebseb> Grub will go there
[23:59] <sebsebseb> then Grub can come up first too :)


[07:00] <Unit193> jphilips: [17:07:46] < Unit193> I don't remember how it ended up in there, it was supposed to be in https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/experimental/+packages
[07:00] <Unit193> But added it just in 3 seconds from now.
[07:02] <Unit193> Ergh, I never removed that snarky remark from the changelog. >_<
[07:02] <jphilips> now i have to check the changelog then :D
[07:03] <Unit193> Certainly don't do that.
[07:04] <jphilips> 'unholy CSDs' lol
[07:05] <Unit193> Something I thought was funny at 3am. >_>
[07:05] <jphilips> i think you can disable the i386 build of libxfce4ui for 20.04 and 20.10 as they are failing building
[07:06] <Unit193> Yeah i386 can be disabled on all the PPAs.
[07:13] <sorinello> Hello Unit193. Can youi tell me what is the difference between Xubuntu Minimal and Xubuntu Core ?
[07:27] <Unit193> sorinello: End result, hopefully nothing.  Minimal is from the desktop ISO and contains a list of packages to remove after system installation.
[07:32] <sorinello> so it installs and then removes some packages ?
[07:39] <jphilips> yes that is how minimal install works
[07:45] <sorinello> seems a bit counter intuitive to install a package just to remove it right after. but I know that the ubuntu/xubuntu installer is a complex thing
[07:47] <jphilips> i am only guessing, but presume the live ISO environment is dumped directly to the hard disk as is, so there isn't any package installation
[08:59] <bluesabre> I think Minimal includes Firefox where Core doesn't, to match the minimal install description hint in Ubiquity.
[09:00] <bluesabre> there might be one or two other additional packages, and then whatever extra packages the minimal install fails to autoremove
[09:02] <jphilips> core also has less startup services from what i remember
[09:02] <jphilips> as less packages are installed by default


[11:08] <qense> hello
[16:56] <qense> hello nand
[16:56] <nand> hi!
[16:57] <qense> Still no reaction at any of the two proposals for the meeting. :(
[17:07] <nand> qense: yep, so let's choose a date and hope for people to come :)
[17:07] <qense> ok
[17:11] <qense> I think 19 UTC at Tuesday would be the best.
[17:11] <nand> okay
[17:18] <qense> Shall I send the announcement just to ubuntu-website, or also to other lists?
[18:03] <qense> dinner time!
[18:03] <qense> I'll be back!
[18:03] <nand> I'd say ubuntu-website only, others MLs won't be interested
[18:49] <qense> back
[18:52] <emunkki> what does the meeting concern?
[18:53] <qense> The Ubuntu Wanted website, but more in details.
[18:54] <qense> We already have an idea what it should contain, but not who wants to help and there are still some technical things that can need some discussion
[19:06] <emunkki> k
[19:16] <qense> Announcement sent to the maillist and placed at my blog!
[19:39] <nand> hmm, didn't receive the ml message
[19:41] <qense> I did receive it
[19:50] <nand> hmm, it was placed on the spam folder by Gmail
[19:50] <nand> You write like a spam bot :P
[19:51] <qense> :)