[04:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected lighttpd [source] (disco-proposed) [1.4.53-4ubuntu1]
[09:06] <infinity> Laney: Should I be concerned that I don't see eoan results at http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/glibc yet?
[13:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: base-files (eoan-proposed/main) [10.1ubuntu9 => 10.1ubuntu10] (core)
[14:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted base-files [source] (eoan-proposed) [10.1ubuntu10]
[19:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: devscripts (eoan-proposed/main) [2.19.4 => 2.19.4build1] (core)
[19:12] <tsimonq2> infinity: Two packages incoming to Eoan that are important but were forgotten last cycle (so I did them). devscripts needs a no-change rebuild to recognize Eoan as the current development release, and a patch needs to be made to Lintian to not complain when it's the release in debian/changelog.
[19:12] <tsimonq2> Merge request in Lintian upstream: https://salsa.debian.org/lintian/lintian/merge_requests/198
[19:12] <gitbot> lintian issue (Merge request) 198 in lintian "Add "eoan" as a known Ubuntu distribution." [Opened]
[19:13] <tsimonq2> Both are small changes which I would argue are appropriate for this stage of the cycle.
[19:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: lintian (eoan-proposed/main) [2.12.0 => 2.12.0ubuntu1] (core)
[19:19] <vorlon> infinity, Laney: I think http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/glibc is #15 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewReleaseCycleProcess which doesn't appear to have been done, so I'm running this now
[19:24] <vorlon> except that part of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration/AutopkgtestInfrastructure#Opening_up_a_new_series was definitely done, but I didn't find seed-new-release in the wendigo shell history
[19:25] <tsimonq2> infinity: Oh, so those two are on the checklist. Regardless, they were forgotten last cycle, if I recall correctly. :)
[19:38] <bdmurray> vorlon: If you have a moment https://code.launchpad.net/~brian-murray/apport/dp-and-eoan/+merge/366319
[19:39] <vorlon> infinity, Laney: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration/AutopkgtestInfrastructure#Opening_up_a_new_series done now, but http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/g/glibc still doesn't show eoan, I'm not sure how long that takes to show up
[19:42] <vorlon> I am particularly unclear on the relationship between the autopkgtest.db on wendigo vs the one on the web unit
[19:43] <vorlon> bdmurray: done
[20:56] <vorlon> Laney, infinity: ok, I've upgraded distro-info-data on the web runner, I think that might've been the missing piece
[21:20] <tsimonq2> vorlon: (I did notice it hadn't migrated yet, which is surely a result of Britney not being set up yet?)
[21:25] <infinity> tsimonq2: Yes, britney isn't running yet, I'm getting to that now.
[21:26] <infinity> vorlon: I still don't see eoan results or queues. :/
[21:26] <infinity> (for autopkgtest)
[21:28] <tsimonq2> infinity: Right, 'tis why I didn't want to make too big of a deal about it. :)
[21:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: 28 entries have been added, updated or disabled
[21:35] <vorlon> infinity: the batch import of eoan results to the db is still running now
[21:35] <infinity> vorlon: Ahh, I misinterpreted the distro-info-data-only-missing-piece bit.
[21:36] <vorlon> infinity: the wendigo step does the swift hankey-pankey, then I had to tell the web runner eoan exists, now it's building the db
[21:36] <infinity> Check.
[21:36] <infinity> Might want to clarify that step (or make it 2 or 3) on the checklist for the next times soneone !Laney has to do it.
[21:39] <vorlon> infinity: the checklist now links to the actual instructions on the other wiki page instead of just invoking Laney's name, and I've refined them into something I may or may not be able to follow
[21:39] <infinity> Shiny.
[21:55] <infinity> vorlon: Can you skip ahead in the checklist and see if you can do anything about #36, so when I branch livefses, there's a hope that images might build?
[21:55] <infinity> I fear all the people who can deal with the desktop snaps might be AFK until Tuesday, but here's hoping.
[22:04] <vorlon> kenvandine: ^^ are you around and able to open&close the 19.10 channels for the desktop snaps?
[22:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-release-upgrader (disco-proposed/main) [1:19.04.16 => 1:<IP_ADDRESS>] (core)
[22:43] <bdmurray> vorlon: ^ test case added for that
[22:47] <infinity> vorlon: So, I know the store isn't down with teams, but there are "collaborators" or whatever.  Maybe we should make it a requirement that some subset of AAs be added as collaborators for all seeded snaps, then it can be a one-stop-shop on opening to run a script (hand-wavy) that scrapes seeded-snaps and twiddles channels.
[22:48] <vorlon> bdmurray: ^postgresql-.*[0-9][0-9].* only matches if there are 2 digits in a row.  Is that your intent?
[22:48] <infinity> vorlon: Not that I'm in a rush or impatient, I don't actually care if images build until Tuesday, it's just nice to not have the process hinge on "ping 7 different people and hope".
[22:49] <vorlon> infinity: <nod>
[22:50] <bdmurray> vorlon: Yes. Am I missing something?
[22:51] <vorlon> bdmurray: it means the regexp no longer matches earlier versions of postgres packages from prior releases, and I'm not sure if that's ok / intended
[22:51] <infinity> He added a regex, not replaced.
[22:51] <bdmurray> that's true
[22:51] <vorlon> right
[22:51] <infinity> But indeed, it could have been collapsed into one.
[22:52] <vorlon> missed that it was an add, ok
[22:52] <infinity> ^postgresql-.*[0-9]+\.[0-9].*
[22:52] <vorlon> infinity: that would still not match
[22:52] <infinity> Or ^postgresql-.*[0-9]\.[0-9]+.*
[22:52] <infinity> Err.
[22:52] <infinity> Or ^postgresql-.*[0-9]+\.[0-9]+.*
[22:52] <bdmurray> see this is why I added a line
[22:52] <vorlon> none of those match the new
[22:52] <vorlon> :)
[22:52] <bdmurray> its Friday y'all
[22:52] <infinity> Oh, the new doesn't have minor versions?
[22:53] <vorlon> correct
[22:53] <vorlon> ^postgresql-.*[0-9][0-9.].*
[22:53] <vorlon> but no matter
[22:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-release-upgrader [source] (disco-proposed) [1:<IP_ADDRESS>]
[22:54] <bdmurray> Okay, here's the deal I was forward thinking to the day someone wants to remove the minor version line.
[22:54] <infinity> ;)
[22:55] <infinity> Even if that's not true, I'm down with pretending it is.
[22:55] <infinity> bdmurray: Oh, while you're in release-upgrader mode, wanna slap together an eoan upload?
[22:56] <infinity> Also, please add an intro screen to u-r-u with a pronounciation guide.
[22:56] <bdmurray> infinity: maybe, I wasn't too keen on it since the animal name really appears in it.
[22:56] <vorlon> on eoaupload
[22:57] <infinity> bdmurray: Yeah, I'm consistent in my EANIMAL usage everywhere, so it's a simple regex replace to clean them all later, but totally understood if you'd prefer to wait for a bit.
[22:57] <infinity> bdmurray: I'm sure Mark will have an animal selected sometime before October.
[22:58] <infinity> (Honestly, I'd be okay with running with EANIMAL for the release, it's a good nerd joke)
[23:00] <tsimonq2> infinity: When we did that last release for +/- a few weeks, some media outlets actually thought it was legit. :P
[23:00] <infinity> tsimonq2: Some media outlets are staffed with nitwits.
[23:00] <infinity> tsimonq2: I'm okay with that result.
[23:01] <tsimonq2> infinity: Right, it makes that fact obvious when they do stuff like that. :P
[23:01] <vorlon> infinity: tada http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/g/glibc
[23:02] <infinity> I thought the not-so-subtle bit where I had it in all caps was a solid indicator that it was a placeholder.
[23:02] <infinity> On the other hand, with EANIMAL, that's much less obvious to a nerd who would see it as an errno. :)
[23:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: pastebinit (eoan-proposed/main) [1.5-2 => 1.5-2.1] (core) (sync)
[23:03] <infinity> vorlon: Yay.  http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running 500s, though.
[23:03] <tsimonq2> I still think it should be Eagle, 'cause something something "'MURICA!", but what do I know.
[23:03] <infinity> I've got good money on Ermine.
[23:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: pastebinit (disco-proposed/main) [1.5-2 => 1.5-2.1~ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (core)
[23:04] <tsimonq2> If Mark was American, I'm willing to bet it would have been "Electric Eagle". Heh.
[23:04] <infinity> I'm also disappointed we didn't just go with Ermine Ermine.  Not that ermine is in the dictionary as an adjective, but I'm sure I've seen it informally used as one.
[23:04] <vorlon> .qcy
[23:04] <tsimonq2> Hah.
[23:05] <infinity> Porcine Porcupine would also be a good one.
[23:05] <bdmurray> I'm surprised my kid hasn't called me Ermine.
[23:05] <tsimonq2> infinity: I guess I should mention that my pastebinit sync to Eoan was to satisfy the usual mantra of "devel version shouldn't be newer than stable". Reject or approve as you'd like.
[23:05] <tsimonq2> Er, switch devel and stable in that statement.
[23:06] <tsimonq2> infinity: I agree.
[23:06] <infinity> bdmurray: Are you soft and fuzzy?
[23:07] <bdmurray> infinity: I was looking at urban dictionary
[23:07] <vorlon> amqplib.client_0_8.exceptions.AMQPChannelException: (404, "NOT_FOUND - no queue 'debci-eoan-armhf' in vhost '/'", (60, 70), 'Channel.basic_get')
[23:07] <infinity> bdmurray: Oh, that's not as bad as I expected when you said "urban dictionary".
[23:08] <bdmurray> yeah, that's tame!
[23:08] <tsimonq2> "Last updated December 01, 2013" yeah, about right.
[23:09] <vorlon> infinity: so https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration/AutopkgtestInfrastructure#Opening_up_a_new_series does mention having to check for ~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/code/b2/britney.conf.ubuntu.$series but I wonder if britney needs to also run to create the queue
[23:09] <vorlon> or if I have to go figure out how to do that
[23:13] <infinity> vorlon: I *think* the queue is meant to exist before the first britney run, but I could be wrong.
[23:13] <infinity> vorlon: Probably no real harm in me getting britney ready and doing a run to find out.  Worst case, I have to delete the pending json and try harder.
[23:17] <vorlon> infinity: well, I don't see anything on the autopkgtest side that creates the queues
[23:25] <infinity> vorlon: Alright, I'll get all the reports going shortly, then.
[23:42] <bdmurray> vorlon: bug 1825563 has been verified
[23:42] <ubot5`> bug 1825563 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "automatically removed packages includes postgresql-10 which can result in cluster dropping" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1825563


 how to set pcmanfm-qt  to view the list of folders and files to be view on detailed list... how it to be set permanently?
[02:16] <guiverc> @ctisme: you didn't specify release, but edit->prefs, at top default-view-mode can be set to whatever you prefer & click OK
[02:16] <guiverc> (that was as I see it on my 20.04 box; it'll likely be same with 19.10)
 found it, thanks guiverc
[02:44] <guiverc> you're most welcome :)
[03:49] <sJShrmC> Hello
[09:10] <chieta> how to connect lubuntu to pptp server?
[17:40] <australopithecus> hey I am trying to install lubuntu 19.1 and the installation keeps failing and giving me this message Installation failed after running this command apt-cdrom add -m -d=/media/cdrom/  no response after 10 seconds


[00:02] <alhubaishi> well im here for 1 urgent question , i have upgraded from 11.04 to 11.10  , i dont know but it feels weird everytime i make updates in 11.10 an error appears
[00:03] <alhubaishi> is this normal for the upgraded users from 11.04 to 11.10?
[00:06] <micahg> zorael: your archive could be out of date
[00:07] <alhubaishi> now im trying to install updates , il tell u what exactly these reoccuring errors that comes up whenever i update , this is not a fresh install of 11.10 its upgraded from 11.04 to 11.10
[00:08] <alhubaishi> im running 11.10 now which has been upgraded*
[00:10] <The_Creator> How do I Alt-Tab through windows on only the active workspace on 11.10?
[00:10] <simon_g> hi
[00:13] <simon_g> is anyone here?
[00:13] <alhubaishi> ok this is the error im getting " Package operation failed
[00:13] <alhubaishi> The installation or removal of a software package failed. "
[00:13] <alhubaishi> everytime i install updates from 11.10 this error appears
[00:13] <alhubaishi> it installs it and after installing this what comes up
[00:15] <simon_g> i would like to install 11.10 on lvm based on softraid. i would like to use seperate /boot /on /dev/md0 / and /dev/md1 would be one big volume group. are there any "do" and "don't" that i have to know before i start (i'm using livecd; alternate did not start)?
[00:24] <alhubaishi> :/ too lazy to make a fresh install of 11.10
[00:24] <alhubaishi> il keep teamviewer open if some1 want to make some tests , im lazy an going to sleep
[00:25] <alhubaishi> pm me for id/pass
[01:21] <zmbmartin> when I go to upload a file through a flash based file uploader on the web (like uploadify) the browser to select a file is not themed.  Any idea why?
[03:18] <jason_> hi
[03:18] <jason_> whats up with the printing menu in 11.10?
[03:18] <jason_> it seems so... bare... and under-featured
[03:24] <jbicha> jason_: if you mean the printing icon in the top right, it's just a print job icon and hasn't really been converted to a proper indicator status menu yet
[03:24] <jason_> jbic
[03:24] <jason_> er
[03:25] <jason_> jbicha: I mean when you go into the printing menu to set up a printer
[03:25] <jason_> its so bare.
[03:25] <jason_> I cant even change the driver. or change the type of printer it is.
[03:25] <jason_> I have local and network, and it auto finds the printers for me.
[03:25] <jason_> problem is my printer auto-assigns a konica-minolta driver to it, which is incorrect. I always have to reassign a "minolta" driver for it to work. in 11.10 without that feature being present I have *no* clue how to do that...
[03:27] <jbicha> jason_: try right clicking on the printer and selecting Properties then change Make and Model
[03:27] <jason_> I dont think I had that option when I was at home?
[03:28] <jason_> jbicha: but Im also away on my laptp now so I figured Id just hop in here and generate conversation
[03:28] <jason_> jbicha: if you right click on the printer do you really get a menu? I honestly dont think I had that
[03:29] <jbicha> yes, the app also has a regular menu, but Unity's appmenu makes it a little less clear that it's there
[03:36] <miki> i want to ask if anyone else has this happen to them when i click on ubuntu software center i get a long pause of nothing before ubuntu software center pops up then when it does start i have to wait for it to load it's not really a big problem but it takes awhile to load?
[03:37] <jasef> Lol... you're lucky
[03:37] <jasef> When I was running oneiric, my software centre was broken
[03:38] <miki> lol mine seems to work just takes awhile to load
[03:38] <jason_> oh, Im using gnome shell though jbicha
[03:38] <jason_> I wonder if thats why
[03:38] <jason_> jbicha: have you been in gnome shell in 11.10 yet?
[03:40] <bjsnider> miki, try checking .xsession-errors for messages about that issue
[03:42] <jbicha> jason_: yes I switch back & force between gshell & Unity, in gshell, you have to run system-config-printer manually as System Settings will show you the upstream GNOME printer applet
[04:20] <coppro> Hey guys
[04:20] <Onlyodin> Has anyone seen the Aldi Fission Laser (+wireless) mouse, and know how hard it is to get the multi-touch scrolling working?
[04:21] <coppro> I use a laptop and xmonad and previously used gnome-volume-control-applet and gnome-power-manager applets to manage power and volume
[04:21] <coppro> those packages have been removed
[04:21] <coppro> how do I get these applets or equivalent functionality?
[04:31] <i_is_broke> whats the easiest way to add gnome3 to the lubuntu desktop.
[04:32] <jasef> apt-get install gnome-shell
[04:32] <jasef> I think
[04:33] <i_is_broke> ya i think i found it thanks tho.
[04:33] <i_is_broke> y
[06:43] <Kiranos> anyone else have issues with playing music?
[06:44] <Kiranos> neither banshee or spotify through wine works
[06:44] <Kiranos> the progressbar doesnt move
[07:36] <farciarz84> Hi, I got some question. Having 64-bit ubuntu version, I need 32-bit gl libraries that wine reqieres. Wine is 32-bit only. How to get 32 gl drivers working properly?
[07:40] <mekwall> farciarz84: wiki.winehq.org/WineOn64bit <-- did you check that?
[07:45] <farciarz84> mekwall: no I've start "The Ubuntu way" approach
[07:45] <mekwall> farciarz84: try it out :) it should be the same
[07:51] <farciarz84> 110 MB to download :) I have 2Mb/s line :/
[08:26] <Crovax-31> haha! I found an original feature in unity, ctrl+t on desktop put a unusable empty tab
[08:26] <Crovax-31> that take all desktop space
[08:29] <rww> i vaguely remember seeing an LP bug report for that
[08:29] <rww> ubottu: bug 814799
[08:35] <Crovax-31> thx rww
[08:40] <Ian_Corne> lol
[08:41] <jbicha> oh please don't encourage people to try it :)
[08:44] <zniavre> too late  ...
[09:33] <Ian_Corne> you can close the tab
[09:34] <zniavre_> ctrl+w ? as nautilus ?
[10:18] <szymon_g> hi
[10:19] <szymon_g> i think i've found a bug in cfdisk program. where/how can i report it?
[10:24] <htorque> szymon_g: do "which cfdisk" - that gives you the path of the executable, then run "sudo dpkg -S <path you found>" to get the package where the file is coming from, and finally "ubuntu-bug <package name>" to start filing a bug.
[10:38] <brendand> when's RC1 out?
[10:38] <zniavre_> tomorow ?
[10:43] <Ian_Corne> no zniavre_, right click the tab :p
[11:43] <muszek> hi... can I read about new features in oneiric anywhere?  all I can find is stuff from May and blueprints @ launchpad (which are not really readable)
[11:48] <claudiuvlad> hell, everybody
[11:48] <claudiuvlad> hello, everybody
[11:48] <sagaci> you could check the beta 2 release notes
[11:49] <claudiuvlad> since I upgraded to oneiric, my onboard wifi  is not available
[11:50] <claudiuvlad> i mean  it is not detected
[11:53] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:32] <FernandoMiguel> hey BluesKaj
[12:33] <BluesKaj> hi FernandoMiguel
[13:37] <mekwall> http://askubuntu.com/questions/64401
[14:29] <farciarz84> hi, in the morning I noticed some problem with wine
[14:33] <farciarz84> some of you tell me to read wine on 64-bit os faq what I did. Unfortunately after adding wine to rep and installing it again problem wans't solved
[14:34] <farciarz84> I still need 32-bt gl drivers
[14:34] <farciarz84> how to get them and install in the easisest way
[14:37] <farciarz84> btw. how do you like new gnome fotns?
[14:42] <farciarz84> fonts*
[14:45] <farciarz84> hi, how can I intall 32-bit intel drivers on ubuntu11.10 having 64-bit os? Wine raises error with having just 64-bit intel driver.
[14:45] <Stanley00> farciarz84: đi you install libia32 ? I cant remember the name exactly...
[14:46] <Stanley00> !info libia32
[14:47] <Stanley00> !info ia32*
[14:47] <genii-around> !info ia32-libs
[14:47] <genii-around> !info ia32-libs-multiarch
[14:48] <Stanley00> genii-around: :))
[14:49] <farciarz84> Stanley00, genii-around: it is already installed
[14:50] <farciarz84> err:ole:CoCreateInstance apartment not initialised
[14:50] <farciarz84> err:winediag:X11DRV_WineGL_InitOpenglInfo Direct rendering is disabled, most likely your OpenGL drivers haven't been installed correctly
[14:50] <farciarz84> fixme:advapi:SetSecurityInfo stub
[14:52] <farciarz84> how to check if OpenGL drivers are installed correctly? Glxgears are running good.
[14:55] <Ian_Corne> sudo: Can't open /var/lib/sudo/icorne/1: Read-only file system
[14:55] <Ian_Corne> noooes
[15:01] <farciarz84> direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)
[15:01] <dork> so apparently this 'suspension' thing is a known issue correct?
[15:01] <dork> where a desktop goes into a suspended-like state after being idle?
[15:07] <BluesKaj> is skype working on 11,10 ? I had aversion for a while on 11.04 , but after upgrading to 11.10 it disappeared
[15:08] <dork> BluesKaj: it's in the repos, so it probably just needs to be reinstalled
[15:12] <drussell> dork: yeah
[15:12] <drussell> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/864479
[15:14] <coppro> `/win 4
[15:17] <dork> drussell: cool thanks, looks like gnome-settings-daemon updated with my upgrade today
[15:17] <dork> thanks
[15:18] <BluesKaj> dork, i was using the static version , seems it's the best for my setup
[15:18] <dork> BluesKaj: gotcha
[15:19] <edgy> Hi, how can I use fbcat?
[15:19] <edgy> $ fbcat
[15:19] <edgy> I won't write binary data to a terminal.
[15:19] <edgy> Usage: fbcat [fbdev]
[15:29] <zacktu> yesterday i described my dislike about a change from 11.04 to 11.10 -- the suggestion was to try something -- i've tried it and it didn't work, so i'll try again
[15:29] <dork> what was the change
[15:31] <zacktu> in 11.04 i can open the dash and type a few letters -- for example "libre" -- all of the libreoffice suite is displayed, in the windows, and i can use the tab key to move across the list to the one i want and then press "enter" -- the application opens --- for a touch typist this is ideal -- no mouse action needed
[15:31] <dork> understandable
[15:32] <zacktu> now in 11.10 the tab key selects among the four icons at the bottom of the window -- the suggestion yesterday was that the right arrow key would select among the icons for "libre" -- i tried it today, and nothing happens -- so i'm back to the mouse - keyboard - mouse sequence --
[15:32] <Stanley00> zacktu: and you can use arrow key instead of tab key ;)
[15:33] <zacktu> no the arrow key didn't do anything that i could detect
[15:34] <coppro> what is the suggested replacement for the GNOME power management and volume control tray applications?
[15:34] <Stanley00> zacktu: try type down 2 times ;)
[15:34] <dork> unfortunately i'm of no help, i'm able to do what you are trying to do but in gnome3
[15:34] <Stanley00> zacktu: or type a few more keys, and press enter...
[15:36] <Ian_Corne> zacktu: move down to the buttons
[15:36] <Ian_Corne> three times down
[15:37] <Ian_Corne> and then you can select from the list
[15:37] <Ian_Corne> not practical, should be fixed, but works for now
[15:37] <ElderDryas> I noticed that rhythmbox no longer displays an icon in the notification area in Xubuntu 11.10b2.  Is this a feature, a bug, or a "yup, that's the way we planned it" thing?
[15:37] <zacktu> thanx -- i'll see how this pans out -- thanx for the suggestions
[15:38] <zacktu> dork: i've never tried gnome3 -- is that a login choice? installation?
[15:38] <dork> ElderDryas: is there a check box in it's properties for placing it in the tray?
[15:38] <dork> zacktu: i find unity to be horrible, so i went with gnome3 after finding it tolerable on fedora
[15:39] <zacktu> dork: shoulda asked whether it's a startup choice or to be installed
[15:39] <dork> zacktu: you have to install it
[15:39] <dork> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install gnome-shell
[15:39] <dork> then select it before you log in
[15:39] <dork> at gdm screen
[15:39] <ElderDryas> dork: As far as I can see, the plugin that was present in the 11.04 version has gone AWOL.
[15:39] <zacktu> okay
[15:39] <zacktu> thanx to all
[15:40] <dork> np, good luck
[15:40] <dork> ElderDryas: i'd hold out, i think xubuntu's a little behond on keeping up with the main release cycle
[15:40] <dork> s/behond/behind
[15:40] <charlie-tca> dork: I think not
[15:41]  * ElderDryas ducks and covers
[15:41] <dork> charlie-tca: i think when i dist-up'd to natty xubuntu was behind, so think what you want.
[15:41] <charlie-tca> rythmbox is not maintained by Xubuntu at all, it is maintained by Ubuntu developers, Xubuntu has nothing to do with it or it's notifications
[15:41] <charlie-tca> I would think as Xubuntu Project Lead, I would not have to think your way.
[15:42] <dork> i'm all out of medals, but i know for a fact that when natty was released xubuntu wasn't advertising 11.04 as it's current
[15:43] <charlie-tca> I'm sorry you are wrong. Xubuntu announces its releases at the exact time as Ubuntu.
[15:44] <ElderDryas> Anything to divert attention:  Another interesting rythmbox factoid: Accourding too the "about" the version is 2.90.1, while the rythmbox web site says the current version is 0.13.3 ?
[15:44] <dork> i really don't care either way, if xubuntu 11.04 were an option when i dist-up'd to natty and found unity being what it is, i'd be using xfce on this box
[15:44] <charlie-tca> ElderDryas: I would guess Ubuntu changed something if it is no longer showing up in indicators.
[15:45] <charlie-tca> !info rythmbox
[15:45] <Stanley00> !info rthymbox
[15:46] <Ian_Corne> !info rhythmbox
[15:46] <Ian_Corne> ;-)
[15:46] <charlie-tca> That's the one
[15:46] <Stanley00> =))
[15:46]  * ElderDryas notices that he is not the only one that cant spell rhythmbox
[15:47] <charlie-tca> ElderDryas: since everything is synced/merged from Debian, if the latest version at the time of the sync was 2.90.1, that will be the latest one in Ubuntu repositories
[15:47]  * Stanley00 never good at English :))
[15:47] <charlie-tca> Thanks, Ian_Corne
[15:48] <Ian_Corne> your welcome!
[15:48] <MrZepeda> Has anyone got xmonad to work with Oniric?
[15:48] <charlie-tca> Many times the application sites will have later versions, but they will have been relesed too late for Ubuntu to pick it up
[15:48] <Ian_Corne> to many times i've had to start it from cmd line to see what goes wrong, why it crashes again :(
[15:48] <Ian_Corne> charlie-tca: that's where ppa's come in!
[15:49] <charlie-tca> True enough
[15:50] <Ian_Corne> like firefox stable, chromium,
[15:51] <charlie-tca> ElderDryas: 0.13.3 looks old to me. There is a ppa at https://launchpad.net/~webupd8team/+archive/rhythmbox shows that version to be at least a year old
[15:52] <ElderDryas> charlie-tca: I thought so too, just noticing the difference and trying to divert attention :)
[15:53] <charlie-tca> Works for me
[15:55] <Ian_Corne> ooo system76 is shipping to 25 countries now
[15:56] <charlie-tca> Neat!
[15:56] <ElderDryas> is Ebonia one of them?
[15:56] <Ian_Corne> System76 only manufactures US keyboard layouts. System76 products are compatible with world wide power grids. You will need to purchase a plug adapter for your computer.
[15:56] <Ian_Corne> ebonia?
[15:56] <Ian_Corne> what's that :p
[15:57] <Ian_Corne> http://www.system76.com/home/shippinginformation
[15:57] <Ian_Corne> wtf is zealandia
[15:57] <ElderDryas> er...elbonia
[15:57] <Ian_Corne> isn't it's just oceania
[15:57] <Ian_Corne> for australia+new zealand + some other islands?
[15:57] <ElderDryas> Zealandia also known as Tasmantis or the New Zealand continent, is a nearly submerged continent or microcontinent that sank
[15:58] <charlie-tca> I gave up trying to follow country names these days. They change too fast. :)
[15:59]  * genii-around sips and thinks about Pottsylvania
[15:59] <ElderDryas> Hail Fearless Leader
[16:00] <Ian_Corne> The Republic of Elbonia is a fictional country in Dilbert and Plop: The Hairless Elbonian
[16:00] <Ian_Corne> :D
[16:03] <ElderDryas> Back to work   What is the difference (in general) between the Nvidia driver (recommended) and (post-release updates)(version current-updates) in additional Drivers?
[16:05] <charlie-tca> current version is the latest driver available from nvidia.
[16:05] <charlie-tca> I am confused by the question
[16:06] <bjsnider> ElderDryas, current-updates refers to the x-updates ppa, where we will put nvidia stable driver updates
[16:06] <bjsnider> at least i think it does
[16:06] <MrZepeda> how can I rebuild libffi.so.5? because only libffi.so.6 is now provided
[16:06] <bjsnider> why do you need the old one?
[16:07] <MrZepeda> xmonad uses it
[16:07] <MrZepeda> oh. Maybe I should rebuild xmonad insted?
[16:07] <ElderDryas> bjsnider: I dont necessarily...I was just wondering why the "old" driver was still "recommended" if there was an updated driver?
[16:08] <ElderDryas> oh, nevermind :)
[16:10] <bjsnider> yes, you can rebuild that against the new lib. a soname change indicates possibly a lot of difference between the two but it may still build
[16:12] <MrZepeda> thank you bjsnider. I will try
[16:18] <joejoe> hi, i try to figure out how to set usb networking for n900 with network manager on ubuntu 11.10. On ubuntu 11.04 it is working out of box.
[16:33] <jtaylor> omg I think ubuntus new font just hit my pc, man it looks weird
[16:34] <Machtin> hey there. is this a known issue with skype: "skype: error while loading shared libraries: libXss.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"?
[16:35] <jtaylor> kind of
[16:35] <jtaylor> you need to install the 32 bit libraries
[16:35] <jtaylor> simplest way: sudo apt-get install skype:i386
[16:35] <Machtin> hm, kay
[16:35] <Machtin> thanks :)
[16:37] <Ian_Corne> MrZepeda: did you install xmonad by package manager?
[16:37] <MrZepeda> yes. But I was told on #xmonad that I should build it myself
[16:37] <MrZepeda> and I'm trying to do that
[16:37] <Ian_Corne> well, the package manager should supply you with .5
[16:38] <MrZepeda> it doesn't
[16:38] <MrZepeda> apt get says:
[16:38] <MrZepeda> E: Package 'libffi5' has no installation candidate
[16:39] <jtaylor> I thinkg its ffi6 now
[16:40] <Ian_Corne> MrZepeda: but when you install xmonad via the package manager
[16:40] <Ian_Corne> what does it pull in?
[16:40] <Ian_Corne> libffi6?
[16:40] <MrZepeda> yes
[16:40] <coppro> hi guys, I appreaciate you ignoring mg
[16:40] <coppro> *me
[16:40] <coppro> really nice
[16:40] <Ian_Corne> then it will work with 6 too
[16:40] <Ian_Corne> !patience
[16:40] <MrZepeda> no
[16:41] <coppro> what is the suggested replacement for the GNOME power management and volume control tray applications?
[16:41] <Ian_Corne> I don't understand your question
[16:41] <Ian_Corne> well I do, but i don't know any other things
[16:42] <Ian_Corne> you could look at the kde equivalents but they won't mix with unity/gnome-shell
[16:42] <coppro> I don't need unity or gnome-shell equivalents, I need tray applications
[16:42] <coppro> I use xmonad
[16:42] <coppro> the KDE equivalents are all plasma weirdness
[16:42] <MrZepeda> thank you Ian_Corne
[16:42] <coppro> and the gnome ones were inexplicably removed
[16:42] <MrZepeda> :)
[16:43] <Ian_Corne> maybe you should ask in #xmonad what they use
[16:43] <Ian_Corne> I have no idea
[16:43] <coppro> possibly, but I woul dhave assumed the gnhome ones since they worked so well
[16:43] <coppro> I don't understand why they were removed from oneiric
[16:44] <Ian_Corne> I'm guessing they were gnome2 specific?
[16:57] <user82> cheers. i wanted to ask if you can update the beta to release version without any problems or negative effects of any kind?
[16:57] <Ian_Corne> not 100% sure
[16:57] <Ian_Corne> never 100% sure
[16:57] <Ian_Corne> if you can wait, and are not interested in testing, wait for release
[16:58] <user82> my computer is kinda broken i kinda need it now and its kinda 8 days to release...little problematic now :D
[16:58] <user82> i guess ill just use it with the beta and do a full re-install in doubt..takes a short time
[16:59] <user82> is the gnome 3.2 shell already in the beta software center or is it still a 3.1.x version?
[16:59] <josePHPagoda> hello everyone
[16:59] <josePHPagoda> i might have found a bug... I'm trying to use curl, and it can't resolve any names, though I'm browsing the net and am able to do an nslookup
[16:59] <josePHPagoda> anyone have any ideas?
[17:00] <Ian_Corne> 3.2 is in user82
[17:00] <Ian_Corne> wfm josePHPagoda
[17:00] <user82> thanks Ian_Corne then i guess i will do the beta for a week..whatever!
[17:00] <josePHPagoda> wfm?
[17:00] <Ian_Corne> works for me
[17:01] <josePHPagoda> odd
[17:01] <Ian_Corne> curl: Installed: 7.21.6-3ubuntu3
[17:01] <josePHPagoda> any ideas on what I should look for that might be causing my issue?
[17:02] <Ian_Corne> check your /etc/resolv.conf file
[17:02] <Ian_Corne> is it there?
[17:03] <Ian_Corne> I know you can browse, and other stuff
[17:03] <Ian_Corne> but i'm just guessing
[17:03] <josePHPagoda> it is there
[17:03] <josePHPagoda> and is valid
[17:03] <Ian_Corne> have you tried... rebooting
[17:03] <Ian_Corne> wtf am i saying..
[17:03] <josePHPagoda> i just added the entry i fetched from nslookup to my hosts file to get around it
[17:04] <josePHPagoda> but it seems rather odd
[17:04] <josePHPagoda> i've used curl a ton and never had this issue before
[17:04] <josePHPagoda> odd
[17:04] <Ian_Corne> are you using curl from a script or commandline?
[17:05] <josePHPagoda> from a script
[17:05] <josePHPagoda> it's the amazonaws stuff
[17:05] <josePHPagoda> (most annoying stuff in existence I think)
[17:06] <josePHPagoda> their documentation is a little sparse
[17:06] <Ian_Corne> I bet if you'd have to do it on windows, it'd be more annoying :p
[17:06] <josePHPagoda> agreed
[17:06]  * josePHPagoda hasn't used anything but linux for the last 5 yrs or so
[17:11] <popsch> I am trying out 11.10 beta 2. Apt fails to update the kernel. I'm running the beta off a USB stick. Any ideas what goes wrong? Here's the transcript: http://pastebin.com/5LTtLVxk
[17:13] <user82> Ian_Corne i decided to wait for the release candidte tomorrow!
[17:13] <Ian_Corne> :D
[17:13] <Ian_Corne> that's probably the best course of action
[17:13] <pulb> hi, i already asked the following question in #ubuntu, but theres too much trafic :-)
[17:13] <user82> are ubuntu releases also at a certain time of day..or whenever they wantß
[17:13] <pulb>  I've found a bug in oneiric which is pretty critical for me but fixing should take minutes (I attached a fix). could someone responsible please have a look and predict if a fix will make it into oneiric?
[17:13] <Ian_Corne> And if your install is broken now, it will probably be after your upgrade
[17:13] <Ian_Corne> when they're ready user82
[17:13] <pulb>  its here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gconf2/+bug/864615
[17:14] <Ian_Corne> nice pulb
[17:14] <user82> okay Ian_Corne i should take the "running"(90% broken) system unetbootin and a usb stick to university..:D
[17:15] <pulb> Ian_Corne: nice?
[17:15] <Ian_Corne> but i'm not sure how much gconf will be used, isn't it gsettings now?
[17:15] <Ian_Corne> that you supplied a patch
[17:15] <pulb> Ian_Corne: yes, but gtk2 and even some gtk3 apps still use gconf
[17:15] <Ian_Corne> ok
[17:16] <jtaylor> how does one reproduce the problem?
[17:16] <pulb> apps that rely on thumbnailing won't work in oneiric wihout those keys
[17:17] <pulb> jtaylor: the gconf problem?
[17:17] <jtaylor> basenji mentioned is not in the repo yet
[17:17] <jtaylor> yes
[17:18] <pulb> jtaylor: I thought you were able to build basenji? :-)
[17:18] <user82> i guess the devs now have had 20 cups of coffee and zero nerves left. good luck for your bug pulb
[17:18] <jtaylor> yes but I did not install it
[17:19] <jtaylor> also I have no idea about thumbnails :/
[17:19] <jtaylor> always the first thing I disable
[17:19] <user82> are they strictly doing security updates only after a release or also small bug fixes and improovements?
[17:19] <jtaylor> bugfixes too
[17:19] <pulb> user82: this one is really easy to fix
[17:20] <jtaylor> depends on severity
[17:20] <user82> ah ok..
[17:20] <user82> well its not a securiy risk. i guess they will ignore anything not related to that one night before RC or am i wrong..?
[17:20] <jtaylor> this bug will probably not be fixed before release, the main archives is pretty locked down now
[17:21] <jtaylor> except it really breaks a lot
[17:22] <jtaylor> which it apparently does not judging by the late report
[17:23] <pulb> jtaylor: that may be because most people didn't fully migrate and install all there apps yet
[17:24] <jtaylor> can you tell me how to reproduce an issue without requiring to install non repo stuff?
[17:24] <pulb> jtaylor: here is a sniped to reproduce the problem: http://pastebin.com/z4RvvJvn
[17:25] <jtaylor> what happens when you do that?
[17:25] <pulb> jtaylor: GenerateThumbnail always returns null on files with known mimetypes
[17:26] <pulb> importing the thumbnailers.xml into gconf will fix the problem
[17:27] <pulb> this affects all gtk2 apps doing media previews
[17:28] <jtaylor> can you give an example?
[17:28] <pulb> the fix is simply adding the thumbnailer gconf keys
[17:28] <pulb> example app?
[17:29] <freakabcd> hi all
[17:29] <freakabcd> I'm on daily updates on amd64. flash is broken
[17:30] <pulb> jtaylor: all apps that make use of that api are affected: http://developer.gnome.org/gnome-desktop/stable/GnomeDesktopThumbnailFactory.html
[17:30] <freakabcd> /usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/i386/linux/npviewer.bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/i686-pc-linux-gnu/modules/libcanberra-gtk-module.so: undefined symbol: gdk_error_trap_pop_ignored
[17:30] <freakabcd> i looked through my system and there are 2 (two) libcamberra-gtk-module.so files each provided by a different package!
[17:30] <jtaylor> pulb: it works fine for me
[17:31] <pulb> huh?
[17:31] <freakabcd> libcanberra-gtk-module: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libcanberra-gtk-module.so
[17:31] <freakabcd> ia32-libs: /usr/lib32/gtk-2.0/modules/libcanberra-gtk-module.so
[17:31] <pulb> jtaylor: what did you try?
[17:31] <freakabcd> and no, they are not symlinks. both are different sized files
[17:31] <freakabcd> 22132 2011-09-30 00:12 /usr/lib32/gtk-2.0/modules/libcanberra-gtk-module.so
[17:31] <freakabcd> 23080 2011-09-30 15:50 /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libcanberra-gtk-module.so
[17:31] <jtaylor> pulb: http://paste.ubuntu.com/702869/
[17:32] <freakabcd> i seem to remember a few days back something major broke with libcanberra where none of the gtk stuff worked. and it was seemingly fixed.
[17:32] <freakabcd> i suppose no one bothered to check if flash was still working on amd64 ?
[17:32] <pulb> jtaylor: sorry, i forgot to mention that images arent affected. please try a video
[17:33] <pulb> jtaylor: for images the api seems to rely on an internal thumbnailer not those specified in gconf
[17:33] <BluesKaj> freakabcd, the video works on my setup ,but no audio on websites , flv files play fine on the desktop tho
[17:34] <BluesKaj> <--- amd64
[17:34] <freakabcd> BluesKaj, ofcourse flv, mp4, mkv, ogv, etc. work fine from a term. its specifically flashplugin that crashes on firefox
[17:35] <freakabcd> something was borken with libcanberra and now thats exactly the thing thats crashing flashplugin
[17:35] <bjsnider> jtaylor, you mean the monospace font?
[17:35] <BluesKaj> the video works in webcontent here, just no audio on any browser
[17:35] <jtaylor> bjsnider: yes
[17:35] <BluesKaj> freakabcd, ^
[17:35] <freakabcd> BluesKaj, are you up to date with latest updates for today?
[17:35] <jbicha> pulb: that documention is for libgnome-desktop 2.32, current supported version is 3.2
[17:35] <BluesKaj> yup
[17:35] <freakabcd> if yes, can you please check if your system has 2 libcanberra-gtk-module.so files ?
[17:36] <BluesKaj> freakabcd, on kde here tho
[17:36] <freakabcd> find /usr -name 'libcanberra-gtk-module.so'
[17:36] <freakabcd> i am on kubuntu
[17:36] <bjsnider> the monospace "i" looks weird
[17:36] <jtaylor> yes
[17:36] <pulb> jbicha: does not matter, its the same
[17:37] <pulb> jbicha: see  http://developer.gnome.org/integration-guide/3.2/thumbnailer.html.en
[17:37] <jtaylor> pulb: do you know how to fix that in the package?
[17:37] <popsch> update-grub fails when using overlayfs in oneiric: http://paste.ubuntu.com/702872/
[17:37] <pulb> jtaylor: in the basenji package?
[17:37] <jtaylor> no gconf
[17:38] <pulb> jtaylor: unforunately i have now idea, i guess its about gconf default keys
[17:38] <pulb> or a ubuntu-data package that comes with predefined gconf keys
[17:39] <freakabcd> BluesKaj, the find is still running on your /usr ?
[17:39] <freakabcd> or did you not run it?
[17:42] <pulb> jtaylor: possibly the nautilus package is responsible for them
[17:44] <jtaylor> hm I can't load that xml ._.
[17:45] <pulb> jtaylor: lemme try
[17:45] <jtaylor> that bug is out of my comfort zone, maybe ask someone in -bugs to triage it
[17:46] <pulb> jtaylor: i'll repost it there
[17:47] <jbicha> pulb: you might want to ask in the GNOME channels, there may be a new way to do thumbnails and the docs just weren't updated
[17:48] <BluesKaj> freakabcd,  libcanberra-gtk-module not installed
[17:48] <pulb> jtaylor: may i attach your snipped to the bug?
[17:48] <pulb> jbicha: ok
[17:48] <freakabcd> hummm..
[17:49] <BluesKaj> freakabcd, that module is for event sounds according to the decription in synaptic
[17:49] <freakabcd> you sure you don;t have that installed?
[17:49] <BluesKaj> IU have event sounds turned off anyway
[17:49] <BluesKaj> I have'
[17:50] <BluesKaj> not installed
[17:50] <freakabcd> some days ago there a furore because firefox, syunaptic, even rekonq for people using only kubuntu stopped working because of it!
[17:51] <BluesKaj> well, I don't have audio in HTML5 either , so it's not entirely flash that's problematic on web audio content for me.
[17:52] <freakabcd> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libcanberra/+bug/862553
[17:52] <freakabcd> thats the one i speak of
[17:52] <BluesKaj> it's more to do with alsa imo
[17:52] <freakabcd> see in the comments section. people saying that rekonq was not working, even chromioum not working
[17:52] <macer1> bug 864615
[17:54] <freakabcd> the exact same error i have. undefined symbol gdk_error_trap_pop_ignored in /ust/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libcanberra-gtk-module.so
[17:55] <BluesKaj> freakabcd, are you loaded up with a bunch of gnome/gtk apps ?
[17:55] <BluesKaj> freakabcd,or did you migrate to kde from gnome
[17:55] <freakabcd> err.. sure i have ubuntu on this laptop as well
[17:56] <freakabcd> yeah, installed ubuntu daily and installed kubuntu after that anmd daily update
[17:57] <freakabcd> but 2 days back everything was working fine. I missed that libcanberra-gtk-module bug mostly because a "fix" was released fast and i was at work the whole day and when i got back, i simply had updates waiting for libcanberra-gtk-module
[17:57] <BluesKaj> ok, I'm kde all the way , clean except for what synaptic pulls in , so i don't and haven't had any FF or other breowser crashes as described by that bug
[17:57] <freakabcd> so i personally didn;t meet those "apps not working" bugs. but since that update flash never worked in forefox
[17:58] <freakabcd> neither in chromium nor in rekonq. because they all use the same flash plugin
[17:58] <freakabcd> and that seems to somehow tie into libcanberra for what reason perhaps god understands! grrr
[17:59] <freakabcd> i mean
[18:00] <zonkers> thank you ubuntu for unity.   i tried gnome 3 and almost puked
[18:00] <freakabcd> eh.. i didn;t intend to type the previous "i mean" apologies
[18:01] <freakabcd> zonkers, to each his/her own. i couldn't stand both unity and gnome3 and came running to kde. i must say it is much better than the mess it was long ago
[18:02] <zonkers> freakabcd, i cannot use kde 4 or gnome 3.   I gave kde 4 another shot yesterday and uninstalled.  i just don't get why the linux desktop has to have radical changes.
[18:03] <freakabcd> oh well. my perspective is that both gnome3 and unity are the radically changed ones
[18:03] <freakabcd> anyway. i seem to be happy with kde4 for now. lets hope that lasts
[18:03] <ali1234> kde 4 is radically changed as well
[18:03] <ali1234> you used to be able to configure the desktop and the window manager the same, now you can't
[18:04] <ali1234> you have one set of settings for themes, and another one for plasma
[18:04] <ali1234> and they are totally different
[18:04] <freakabcd> as opposed to gnome where you hack tyhe registry^H^H^H i meant gconf-thingamabob
[18:05] <ali1234> the difference is that with gnome you can make everything look the same, with KDE it is impossible
[18:05] <freakabcd> really? hah
[18:05] <ali1234> because plasma and normal widgets don't even use the same theme formating
[18:05] <freakabcd> right now i run kde apps and gnome apps and even firefox looks exactly like a native kde app!
[18:05] <ali1234> does your panel look like a native KDE app?
[18:05] <ali1234> the answer is no, because it is written in plasma, which can't use kde themes
[18:05] <freakabcd> err.. the panel is from KDE
[18:06] <freakabcd> obviously it looks like its integrated into the environment
[18:06] <zonkers> why can't i just have a normal desktop
[18:06] <ali1234> but does it look like all the other apps?
[18:07] <ali1234> are buttons on the panel the same colour as button in an app?
[18:07] <freakabcd> what other apps do you want? almost all gtk apps look like native and kde apps are obviously native and even firefox/libreoffice like i said looks native
[18:07] <ali1234> KDE apps
[18:07] <freakabcd> buttons on the panel looking native is hardly a requirement for me
[18:08] <ali1234> so buttons on your panel do not look like buttons in other KDE apps...
[18:08] <Syph1x> zonkers: try running a "ubuntu classic" session from gdm, which is gnome 2.3.x just like the old ubuntu releases
[18:08] <freakabcd> because you don;t have people complaining that the windows7 taskbar buttons don;t look like buttons on windows7 or regular windows apps
[18:08] <ali1234> yes you do
[18:08] <ali1234> i complain about it every time i have to use windows
[18:08] <zonkers> syph1x: i'm done with the gnome fallback until it works exactly the same
[18:08] <freakabcd> uh, ok. i like it this way becasue i know these buttons are not part of an application
[18:09] <ali1234> ok fair enough if you like it that way
[18:09] <ali1234> i don't
[18:09] <freakabcd> if they look the same ad the kde main panel looks like a reguylar taskbar of a kde application, then i'll have to remember that the kde panel is different
[18:09] <ali1234> and it is a radical change to use a totally different API to make panels vs apps
[18:10] <freakabcd> this way i don;t even need to try to remember. i know it is different just looking at it
[18:10] <ali1234> it used to be that all the panels were just like other apps
[18:10] <ali1234> why do you need to distinguish between plasma widgets and apps anyway?
[18:10] <ali1234> most of them are exactly the same
[18:10] <ali1234> eg kde calculator app vs kde calculator plasma widget
[18:10] <ali1234> why is it necessary for both of these to exist?
[18:11] <freakabcd> ok, as might have been evident from my statements before; i like the separation. i look at widgets as light weight applications or even seriously limited applications
[18:11] <freakabcd> hence the cpu/ram/network/diskspace/clock widget
[18:12] <freakabcd> if i really wanted to do some calculations, i opent he calculator application. not hunt for the calculator widget
[18:13] <ali1234> have you tried the activities thing? that's pretty radical as well
[18:13] <jbicha> Syph1x: GNOME 2 is _not_ available in Ubuntu Oneiric, gnome-panel 3.2 is which is a newer version of the traditional GNOME destop
[18:13] <ali1234> i couldn't even understand what it was supposed to do
[18:14] <freakabcd> thats just a new fanged way of saying "you know you had multiple workspaces right? .... tadaa.. now you can have multiple sets of multiple workspaces"
[18:14] <freakabcd> thats what all this activities business is (atleast for me)
[18:16] <templet> is there a torrent since oct 1, 2011 for a daily built of oneiric ?
[18:16] <ali1234> i don't think so
[18:16] <templet> thanks
[18:17] <ali1234> torrent the beta 2 and then use zsync
[18:17] <BluesKaj> hmm, I just keep the desktop as uncomplicated and uncluttered as possible , activities don't come into the picture ar all
[18:17] <zonkers> yeah that activities tab is ridiculous
[18:17] <freakabcd> BluesKaj, jup. i never click on the dang activities button/thingy on the top right
[18:19] <freakabcd> the way i see it: the kde guys brought out this fancy "activity" crap to appease the windows/old_mac people who never had the pleasure of using multiple workspaces/virtual_desktops
[18:20] <BluesKaj> freakabcd, , i wish we could get rid of it , haven't bothered trying mind you.
[18:21] <zonkers> still waiting for the day when xfce decides to go off the deep end
[18:22] <freakabcd> nah, i don;t think they will get rid of it. has some use cases: eg: you could have 1 activity for "porn" where you have lots of windows of images/docs/etc. open on multiple workspaces. then you switch to your "browsing" activity and everything disappears and you're left with a few browser windows showing launchpad/slashdot/etc.
[18:22] <freakabcd> and now you can switch between the 2
[18:22] <freakabcd> note that this isn;t my scenario, i never use the crappy activities
[18:23] <ali1234> nah, activities is so you can have one "system" that switches between desktop/tablet/mobile phone/tv mode
[18:23] <BluesKaj> I just switch desktops
[18:23] <ali1234> or between touch control/mouse control if you prefer
[18:23] <ali1234> that's the idea anyway
[18:23] <ali1234> i'm not sure how it is supposed to do that
[18:24] <ali1234> cos i couldn't make any sense of it
[18:24] <freakabcd> ali1234, not really. when you switch to a different activity, all your previous windows disappear.
[18:24] <ali1234> yes
[18:24] <freakabcd> but they are still around
[18:24] <zonkers> ali1234, i agree with you
[18:24] <ali1234> that's the idea
[18:24] <ali1234> you don't want to see that huge spreadsheet on the "media player" activity that is supposed to be controlled with a remote contorl
[18:25] <freakabcd> like i said. its to switch between different work modes "work", "procrastination/web_browsing", "pron", etc.
[18:25] <ali1234> that is what multiple workspaces are no
[18:25] <freakabcd> the only benefit you get is that within one activity all window switches, alt-tab expose etc. work only for the windows within that activity and you can switch to a different set of windows in another activity if you so desire
[18:26] <ali1234> activities are basically to let you run plasma active on a tablet, and then switch it to a "full desktop" mode when you plug in a keyboard and mouse
[18:26] <freakabcd> yeah. i said before. activities is a "multiple sets of multiple workspaces" thingy
[18:27] <freakabcd> basically trying to beat multiple workspaces into evolving to the NextLevel(tm). it kinda makes sense. but it totally lame and useless for me (and many others i'm sure)
[18:28] <zonkers> i guess i'm stuck with unity.
[18:28] <ali1234> yeah
[18:28] <ali1234> i don't like unity much... but it is the best of a bad bunch
[18:28] <freakabcd> heh, least of all evils ;)
[18:29] <freakabcd> guys, i tried out windows 8 dev preview
[18:29] <zonkers> it's application finder is getting better (what ever that's called).  what I don't like it you close some apps and they go missing.  banshee is one of them
[18:29] <freakabcd> i loved the colours in the taskmanager
[18:29] <freakabcd> dunno have much impression on metro and the other shit
[18:30] <freakabcd> why cannot linux use nice flat colours?
[18:30] <zonkers> because we want all the compiz bs
[18:30] <freakabcd> everything has to be gradient/shiny/3d/effect/etc.
[18:30] <freakabcd> its gets insanely ridiculous
[18:30] <ali1234> lol KDE everything is shiny gradients
[18:30] <freakabcd> simple flast shading with some subtle shadows ot gradients is all thats needed
[18:30] <ali1234> yes i totally agree
[18:30] <zonkers> just to prove how much glitzier linux is than windows
[18:31] <freakabcd> yeah, thats why i'm using a theme that has extremely less amount of the bling
[18:31] <ali1234> i recommend QTCurve if you want a nice simple KDE style
[18:31] <ali1234> unfortunately there isn't much you can do bout anything involving plasma, for reasons i pointed out before
[18:31] <ali1234> you can only fix normal apps
[18:32] <zonkers> tried the new mandriva.. it's horrible.  unity and 11.10 are much much much better
[18:32] <freakabcd> java is anothe thig i absolutely hate. the ugly peice of shit.. :(
[18:33] <IdleOne> Please mind the language and topic
[18:33] <zonkers> yeah, same code fails tween versions
[18:33] <freakabcd> for all the money sun had, for all the money ibm, rh, all the other guys leveraging java had. they couldn;t make a nicer new default theme for java than shitty metal
[18:34] <freakabcd> apologies
[18:34] <freakabcd> for the language
[18:34] <ali1234> check it http://imagebin.org/176517
[18:34] <zonkers> freakabcd: too funny
[18:34] <zonkers> i wish unity would go back to the gnome 2 desktop widget on the taskbar.  that's my biggest gripe so far
[18:35] <freakabcd> zonkers, the way i see it. they are going to end up wanting to make everyting widgety, etc. :(
[18:36] <freakabcd> enter plasma and those mess again
[18:37] <zonkers> i'm not enamoured with the global menu either but can get used to it.
[18:38] <freakabcd> and i'm sure all these people driving to get rid of the simple menu are bolstered by the news that microsoft got rid of the Start menu because no one used it
[18:38] <freakabcd> bah
[18:38] <ali1234> no one used it because they made it into a huge mess that's even worse than the KDE one
[18:39] <freakabcd> exactly. the one in gnome was forgivable. something like a visual /usr/bin for the "important" applications
[18:39] <ali1234> gnome classic
[18:39] <freakabcd> now its inside a nice launcher + search "app"
[18:39] <freakabcd> bah
[18:40] <freakabcd> and what was so bad about synaptic? not blingy enough to remove it from default install and show more of "software centre" and peddle it ?
[18:40] <zonkers> first thing i did when i installed unbutu was to put synaptic back.. ridiculous
[18:42] <zonkers> is there a cpu indicator like the one available in 11.04?
[18:42] <ali1234> the problem with synaptic is precisely that it does what software centre does except without also showing paid apps
[18:43] <freakabcd> zonkers, thats another thing i didn;t like about not having a panel on top. wheres my cpu/ram/network indicators ?
[18:43] <jbicha> freakabcd: we can't have every cool app on the CD ;)
[18:43] <freakabcd> no way to put anything on the "panel" upstairs
[18:44] <freakabcd> jbicha, heh :) i'm just happy that its still available
[18:44] <ali1234> jbicha: the problem being that there seems to be plenty of room for apps that aren't cool
[18:44] <jbicha> ali1234: like what in particular?
[18:44] <ali1234> gwibber
[18:44] <ali1234> empathy
[18:44] <ali1234> software center
[18:44] <ali1234> ubuntu one
[18:45] <zonkers> who uses empathy?
[18:45] <ali1234> anything involving mono
[18:45] <bjsnider> i do
[18:45] <zonkers> or gwibber?
[18:45] <bjsnider> cool people do
[18:45] <freakabcd> ali1234, theres lobbyists for many applications and environmentsetc.  just like in politics
[18:45] <ali1234> gwibber and empthy together still does less than what pidgin can do, and do better
[18:45] <jbicha> gwibber's quite popular, empathy's not bad and there are architecture reasons why it's preferred
[18:46] <freakabcd> and sometimes decisions are made on "how blingy can the app be?" or "is there a simpler app for doing this?", etc.
[18:46] <jbicha> Software Center is far better than Synaptic for Ubuntu's target audience
[18:46] <ali1234> i agree
[18:46] <ali1234> however it is missing lots of functionality
[18:47] <jbicha> freakabcd: simplicity is a valid reason to prefer an app, simple-scan is much better than xsane for Ubuntu for instance
[18:47] <bjsnider> that's for sure
[18:47] <bjsnider> xsane is nightmarish
[18:47] <ali1234> also it has problems that are bad not only for the nerds, but for ubuntu's target audience
[18:47] <ali1234> see for example this bug i am about to go and find
[18:47] <freakabcd> true i agree in most cases. but sometimes i disagree. i.e. the principle must not be applied in a blanket fashion
[18:47] <BluesKaj> still stick with synaptic ..It's a good repos reference
[18:48] <ali1234> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-applications/+bug/863745
[18:48] <jbicha> I'm not saying synaptic is bad, I have it installed, but the UI could be better
[18:48] <ali1234> ok that isn't really software centre, but the dumbing down of software centre doesn't make that bug any easier to deal with
[18:48] <ali1234> basically if you are on 64 bit
[18:48] <ali1234> and you try to install flash plugin using the supposedly "easy" ubuntu way
[18:48] <ali1234> you have a 50% chance of it breaking
[18:49] <ali1234> and there's no way, no matter how much knowledge you have, to work out whch is the correct choice, using only the ubuntu approved ways
[18:49] <BluesKaj> muon broke on my setup and has permission problems even with sudoer no pwd and aiiases , it still buggy
[18:49] <freakabcd> i believe einstein said "Make things as simple as possible, but not simpler."
[18:49] <ali1234> so basically what you've done is make a UI that is equally hard for everyone
[18:49] <ali1234> but not any easier for anyone
[18:50] <The_Creator> How do I Alt-Tab through windows on only the active workspace on 11.10?
[18:50] <zonkers> gnome should be ashamed of themselves for the disaster that is gnome 3.
[18:51] <bjsnider> complain to the manufacturer
[18:51] <ali1234> The_Creator: you can't. it's one of the features i want too
[18:51] <freakabcd> zonkers, its not a very bad disaster. i think they are on par with the crappy release of kde 4.0 when it came out
[18:54] <zonkers> freakabcd, i think it's worst than kde because they saw teh disaster of kde 4 and didn't heed it's warnings for their product
[18:55] <bjsnider> zonkers, gnome has their own irc server if you want to go over there and flame them, but they've heard it all before
[18:56] <zonkers> i'm done
[18:56] <jbicha> good
[18:57] <zonkers> at least unity has the effort to make it more usable
[18:57] <bjsnider> i'm sure apple will hear all of this crap when they switch everything to ios
[18:58] <jbicha> GNOME wants to be more usable too, it's just that apparently their definition varies from yours
[19:01] <bjsnider> there are gnome-shell extensions to add menus and a bottom taskbar
[19:01] <bjsnider> if learning the new way is out of the question
[19:07] <zonkers> in the end the consumer wins and the de that pleases the most people will win
[19:24] <Orionid> From reading the last couple of posts, is the general feeling in here that Unity is better than GNOME then?   Just curious where you all stand.  I prefer GNOME myself.
[19:24] <thiebaude> i dont know but i have always used gnome sine 6.04
[19:24] <thiebaude> since
[19:24] <freakabcd> they weigh the same on my scale
[19:26] <Orionid> I found the gnome to unity change to be a difficult one.  I'm not one to shy away from change.  As a matter of fact, I love change.  Still waiting for unity to capture my heart though.
[19:26] <zonkers> orionid.  i prefer unity to gnome 3.  and i primarily use unity-2d
[19:27] <Orionid> I probably just need to use it more.
[19:27] <jbicha> debian/tmp/usr/lib/lib*.so.*
[19:27] <jbicha> debian/tmp/usr/lib/*.so
[19:27] <jbicha> debian/tmp/usr/lib/girepository-1.0
[19:27] <jbicha> debian/tmp/usr/share/gir-1.0
[19:27] <jbicha> oops
[19:27] <jbicha> debian/tmp/usr/lib/lib*.so.*
[19:27] <jbicha> debian/tmp/usr/lib/*.so
[19:27] <jbicha> debian/tmp/usr/lib/girepository-1.0
[19:27] <jbicha> debian/tmp/usr/share/gir-1.0
[19:27] <jbicha> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/784
[19:28] <zonkers> orionid, i didn't like unity until the latest 11.10
[19:28]  * jussi smacks jbicha's hand :P
[19:29] <freakabcd> oh.. Precise Pangolin
[19:29] <Orionid> Zonkers: I imagine you're using a pre-release?
[19:30] <zonkers> orionid, yes, at work in vmware player 3.1.4 and at home on older (4 year old) dual core
[19:30] <Orionid> Cool,  it's good to know that the next release has made an impact on you.  I look forward to it then!
[19:31] <zonkers> i was negative for a long time on 11.10 but i'm liking unity and the whole ubuntu eco system much better now
[19:32] <Orionid> Good to hear.  Oct 13th isn't too far away! ;)
[19:36] <The_Creator> ali1234: Thanks for letting me know.
[19:45] <tech2> Hi all, just upgraded to Oneiric and I have one package held back "update-notifier-common", apt-get -f install or dist-upgrade don't fix it, trying to install it causes it to report it will remove ubuntu-desktop, and trying to remove it says the same, any ideas?
[19:47] <robin0800> tech2, wait
[19:47] <BluesKaj> tech2, it's not real important as long as it's not blocking any updates/upgrades
[19:48] <tech2> BluesKaj: it's a constant annoyance in the update manager and I don't understand _why_ it's listed. Perhaps if I could understand that part I'd be a little happier.
[19:49] <tech2> is there a recommended method for working out why?
[19:49] <BluesKaj> turnoff the notifications in update manager ...run you rupdates and upgrades in the terminal ...less intrusive and cumbersome
[19:50] <tech2> BluesKaj: perhaps, yes, but I'd still like to know the reason for it being held back, other sources seemed to suggest things like dist-upgrade or manual installation would "fix" it, but nothing really explained why.
[19:52] <i12> hello my people, I am having an issue starting the samba package in order to share files on a windows network
[19:52] <BluesKaj> tech2, it's a beta release , get used to it ..it's no biggie , it'll be taken care of in due course
[19:52] <robin0800> tech2, it probably has dependancies waiting for updated files that are not on the server yet
[19:52] <tech2> BluesKaj: if that's the case, cool, thanks. 8 more days to go I guess ;)
[19:52] <BluesKaj> tech2, yup :)
[19:53] <i12> I was able to connect to the network from ubuntu to the server, but I can't seem to get things in line to connect  from the other computers to my printer/files
[19:56] <i12> no luck yet...
[19:56] <i12> I can deffinitely print, I just need to figure out how to share the printer with the workgroup
[19:59] <robin0800> i12, have you set up sharing on the printer server settings
[20:02] <Ian_Corne> 2011-10-05 22:02:02,268 WARNING: /sys/module/fglrx_updates/drivers does not exist, cannot rebind fglrx_updates driver
[20:02] <Ian_Corne> anyone got fglrx to install yet?
[20:21] <matyy> In oneiric, the option in the keyboard settings to force the user to take a break of x minutes after a period of y minutes is gone. I cannot find a replacement. Does anybody know an alternative?
[20:22] <daavis> i guess x server or smth crashes constantly and I get an error.. but this time i did not get an error but my toolbar for all applications dissapeared anyway
[20:22] <BluesKaj> just installed skype static , I get this : skype: error while loading shared libraries: libXss.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. libXss doesn't exist in the repos is it lib6ss?
[20:22] <daavis> how to fix this?
[20:23] <templet> just installed oneiric.  i need to add my home directory to automount on boot.  i guess i forgot to add that.  can anyone point me to a url ?
[20:27] <BluesKaj> templet, did you create a separate /home partition?
[20:28] <BluesKaj> templet, if so it should auto mount
[20:28] <pangolin> BluesKaj: http://community.skype.com/t5/Linux/latest-skype-not-working-on-ubuntu-11-10/td-p/104494 worked for me
[20:30] <pangolin> BluesKaj: you have to enter the package names by hand, copy/paste for some reason doesn't work.
[20:31] <pangolin> I think because :i386 somehow confuses apt
[20:33] <pangolin> and yeah you need multiarch installed
[20:35] <BluesKaj> pangolin, nope, it couldn't locate
[20:39] <BluesKaj> pangolin, I pasted the apps into synaptic searchbar and installed them that way
[20:40] <i12> +robin0800 looks like it is, the printer does say "shared" on it
[20:41] <i12> robin0800: but it doesn't seem to be sharing it with the right workgroup, since I cannot see it from the other machines
[20:44] <BluesKaj> pangolin, ok , skype is up and running ..thanks for the tip :)
[20:45] <pangolin> sure thing BluesKaj
[21:06] <guntis> hey, smth really crashed.. i lost my icons and panel on the left. I am logged from guest user. The error message contained something about blueman.. How get back my real user. I guess it has smth to do with compiz settings.. ?
[21:09] <zonkers> ok how do i add a new .xml for the background in unity. I can modify the background-1.xml but can't seem to add a new one
[21:10] <guntis> i've never seen answers here..
[21:19] <zonkers> unity needs a little bit more seasoning
[21:19] <daavis> looks like
[21:20] <drussell> zonkers: garlic?
[21:20] <zonkers> daavis, i did see an article that says it can do it if i install 3rd party app.   may try that
[21:21] <daavis> well, thing is.. i can't do anything through my real user. If i try fix problem with guest user it will work, zonkers  ?
[21:22] <zonkers> how do you even do guest user. i dont' see that option
[21:23] <daavis> on startup
[21:32] <jeinor> Hi people! I have a question concerning the Ubuntu 11.10 Beta 2 Alternate Install CD for amd64: have anyone successfully completed a installation with that CD? I'm having problems in the "Select and install software"-step.
[21:40] <daavis> previous problem solved by marking "Unity plugin" in compiz settings through guest user
[21:40] <daavis> but still missing toolbars
[21:48] <Tophan> p/win 5
[21:48] <jeinor> davis, who were you talking to?
[22:10] <LLStarks> pangolin. a pangolin. no perfect penguin?
[22:10] <pangolin> no such thing
[22:10] <LLStarks> precise pangolin
[22:11] <pangolin> there is no such thing as a perfect penguin
[22:11] <LLStarks> prodigious penguin?
[22:12] <pangolin> you can read why Mark chose the name
[22:12] <pangolin> !pangolin
[22:12] <LLStarks> i read
[22:13] <LLStarks> but precise may backfire. it's not going to work for web searching. if i search for "postfix oneiric" and "postfix precise", i'll probably get different results.
[22:16] <szymon_g> hi
[22:16] <bazhang> hi
[22:17] <szymon_g> could anyone wise explain me, why in new ubuntu if i wanna change a font-size, i have to install 39 packages including gnome-shell (or maybe it's there a easier way than installing gnome-tweak-tool; the way that i do not know about)?
[22:18] <coppro> szymon_g: hah what?
[22:19] <szymon_g> ok, sorry, i'm a bit bitter today. could you tell me how can i easily change size and type of fonts in unity?
[22:24] <jbicha> szymon_g: install gnome-tweak-tool
[22:25] <szymon_g> jbicha, hm.. http://www.wklej.org/id/603750/
[22:25] <szymon_g> so- 39 new programs, another 80+ mb for just changing the font? great...
[22:26] <jbicha> LLStarks: so google for pangolin then
[22:26] <jbicha> maybe that's part of why the names are unusual to make googling easier
[22:26] <jbicha> szymon_g: you wanted easy
[22:27] <LLStarks> the codename is VERY IMPORTANT for repoing
[22:27] <jbicha> you could use gsettings directly from the command line without installing anything but it's a bit more complex :)
[22:27] <LLStarks> pangolin is not the important part
[22:27] <LLStarks> precise is
[22:27] <jbicha> szymon_g: installing gnome-shell won't hurt you :)
[22:28] <szymon_g> ok, tell me- why should i install *anything* to change something that basic as font?
[22:28] <LLStarks> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise main restricted... etc
[22:28] <szymon_g> sorry, but even kde2 and gnome1 had it
[22:28] <jbicha> szymon_g: why do you consider changing the font "basic"? there's a simple font size adjuster in System Settings>Universal Access
[22:30] <szymon_g> ... because it is pretty basic? because (thanx to great X/gnome/whatever) functionality font's don't look as good as then, when changed manually?
[22:30] <jbicha> szymon_g: very few people change the font, and for those that do, there's a tool for that
[22:31] <jbicha> like I said, your choices are gsettings, dconf-editor, or gnome-tweak-tool, g-t-t is by far the easiest
[22:32] <szymon_g> hm.. apt-cache search dconf-editor finds nothing
[22:32] <jbicha> it's part of dconf-tools
[22:33] <szymon_g> ah thanx, btw, i'm getting that error: http://www.wklej.org/id/603755/
[23:00] <voidr> hello, does anyone know how to disable the touchpad?
[23:05] <cccangel> Is it just me or does Ubuntu look more appealing as an OS after each upgrade?
[23:09] <bjsnider> well, that's what they're trying to do
[23:10] <bjsnider> so that would be an indication that they're succeeding
[23:35] <WADS> When is the expected schedual release of 11.10's ?
[23:45] <Pici> WADS: On the 13th