[00:37] <diddledan> daftykins, gifts <= 10% * price of computer :-p
[00:38] <daftykins> ;)
[00:38] <diddledan> or gifts <= 0.1 * price of computer
[08:11] <diplo> foobarry: I use sphinx for writing work docs
[08:21] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:23] <MooDoo> morning
[08:24] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[08:32] <diplo> Morning peeps btw :)
[08:34] <MooDoo> :)
[09:04] <foobarry> diplo: i'm using mkdocs but noticed sphinx/rtd has a collapsed menu option. really need that in mkdocs but unsure if possible
[09:06] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:11] <diplo> Yeah, I use the menus all the time, I basically have headline and then sections ie : Distributions and headings of different versions, then a sub heading  under for Install - Configure etc
[09:12] <diplo> Like this
[09:12] <diplo> http://docs.syncthing.net/
[09:21] <foobarry> diplo: ahhh , using rst?
[09:21] <foobarry> i want those collapisble menus
[09:24] <diplo> Yeah rst, then covert to html and rsync to another server within the make script
[09:25] <diplo> I've not looked at mkdocs tbh
[09:26] <diplo> Looks like it maybe possible by editing the template ?
[09:32] <davmor2> got this stuck in my head  this morning https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zQ6kgrUjIs
[09:33] <MooDoo> not heard that in a while
[10:14] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Thursday, and happy Use Less Stuff Day! 😃
[10:32] <davmor2> JamesTait: Who you calling useless... hmm hmmm ;)
[10:33] <davmor2> JamesTait: I'm sure you makes these up to see if I can find a song, give me a minute, I'm thinking :)
[10:33] <JamesTait> davmor2, I'm waiting.... 😉
[10:35] <davmor2> JamesTait: Used less camera tricks, and less instruments https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tJYN-eG1zk
[10:37] <davmor2> JamesTait: can't deny the logic there can you :)
[10:38] <JamesTait> davmor2, I'll let you off, because it's Queen.
[10:39] <davmor2> JamesTait: or this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pidokakU4I because they only use 4 chords
[10:39] <JamesTait> Ah! Better! 😃
[10:40] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:47] <popey> JamesTait, Not International Mens Day!?
[10:52] <bigcalm> popey: what would you do with your finger if it could go through time?
[10:53] <davmor2> popey: is that not the same thing?
[10:53] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOlDewpCfZQ this version is better :)
[11:01] <popey> bigcalm, poke through to last week and swipe on my own phone what this weeks lottery numbers are
[11:04] <bigcalm> Hazar
[11:04] <bigcalm> Would you then remember to do it after cashing in?
[11:05] <bigcalm> What do we want? Time travel!
[11:05] <stemount_> when do you want it?
[11:05] <bigcalm> When do we want it? That's irrelevant!
[11:07]  * Laney writes to Chris Leslie MP
[11:09] <MooDoo> you and your timey wimey stuff pah ;)
[14:10] <diddledan> good moaning
[14:10] <zmoylan-pi> good moaning nite 'awk
[14:24] <diddledan> http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/09/tin-foil-hats-actually-make-it-easier-for-the-government-to-track-your-thoughts/262998/
[14:24] <zmoylan-pi> that's why the truly paranoid switched to lead ages back...
[14:24] <zmoylan-pi> or so i've heard...
[14:24] <zmoylan-pi> <_<
[14:24] <zmoylan-pi> >_>
[15:22] <diddledan> spectre apparently has a world record for the largest stunt explosion in history
[15:23] <zmoylan-pi> meh, me prefers the longest car crashes in blues brothers :-)
[15:23] <diddledan> lol
[15:34] <diddledan> apple iTunes are offering the james bond collection for a mere 109.99 right now
[15:34] <diddledan> :-p
[15:35]  * zmoylan-pi looks shifty at my external hd...
[15:46] <davmor2> I don't believe that hitchhikers guide to the galaxy and starwars blew up planets :P
[15:47] <diddledan> should there be some punctuation in there?
[15:48] <davmor2> diddledan: yeah probably
[15:49] <diddledan> omg, drupal8 is out!
[15:52] <daftykins> free Nexus 5 \o/ https://www.dropbox.com/s/klu17bnco4wm791/n5.jpeg?dl=0
[15:55] <davmor2> daftykins: dropbox living up to it's name there then
[15:56] <daftykins> non-working? :)
[15:56] <daftykins> i've noticed some leave the image area blank lately, need a force refresh to come up
[15:57] <daftykins> http://www.techblo.gg/stuff/n5.jpeg
[15:57] <daftykins> there's a more reliable link
[15:57] <diddledan> that's one wonky display :-p
[15:58] <daftykins> sure is! my mate did quite the number on it, but £26 from ebay should be enough :>
[16:04] <popey> I watched a couple of flat earth videos a while ago, now youtube keeps offering for me to watch more of them
[16:04] <popey> These people are bonkers.
[16:16] <diddledan> popey, as in videos about people that try to tell us the earth isn't a spheroid?
[16:23] <popey> yes diddledan
[16:23] <popey> there's a lot of them
[16:23] <diddledan> I wonder how they think GPS works?
[16:24] <diddledan> and tv from the sky (satellite tv)
[16:24] <diddledan> it's pretty obvious that nasa wasn't lying
[16:38] <daftykins> XD
[16:38] <daftykins> i get enough of a daily dose from #ubuntu ;)
[16:38] <diddledan> daftykins, the penguin is a lie
[16:39] <daftykins> wow at the guy that advised someone stop updating their kernel by pinning it, then going on and on about it for about 3hrs straight over in -discuss because we told him that was bad advice
[16:39] <daftykins> mind = blown
[16:39] <diddledan> really?!
[16:39] <diddledan> jeebers
[16:40] <Myrtti> new kernels and 15.10 fixed my "no wifi when returning from suspend" issue, btw.
[16:41] <ali1234> good to know, i think i encountered that one a few times
[16:41] <diddledan> I love when things suddenly start working with a standard update
[16:42] <daftykins> :)
[16:42] <daftykins> April would probably be a good time for any folk wanting LTS + new hardware then perhaps
[17:00] <zmoylan-pi> 1
[17:14] <popey> diddledan, they have explanations for all of that
[20:32] <davmor2> Myrtti: should of been working in 15.04 I tested it :) If you are talking about your xps13
[20:34] <Myrtti> yeah, I am, but it stopped working somewhere after August after a kernel update
[20:35] <Myrtti> and now it works again
[20:36] <davmor2> Myrtti: meh I meant 15.10 it's been a long day  an I lose track of releases ;)
[20:44] <bittin_> did not have enough in my buffer but asked the americans for help
[20:46] <daftykins> americans? if you mean #ubuntu that's not US :)
[20:51] <diddledan> you want a buffer-overflow?
[20:52] <diddledan> ubuntu podcast: electronic nudity sounds fun
[20:54] <diddledan> I find it fascinating that eddy snow has become the go-to guy for digital rights campaigning
[23:16] <diddledan> linux voice podcast points to psdoom - a version of doom where each enemy is actually a process currently running on your system - kill an enemy and the process associated dies meaning you could have a very bad day by killing the enemy number 1 (init)
[23:16] <diddledan> ref: http://psdoom.sourceforge.net
[23:19] <diddledan> lol: In the original implementation of the program, 'pid monsters' could be killed not only by the program's user, but also by other 'pid monsters' and normal Doom monsters on the level.
[23:19] <diddledan> ...Unfortunately, the number of monsters in a given area must be depressingly small in order for them to avoid both intentional infighting and friendly fire. Since monsters would tend to kill each other off until only a few remained in the area, the user was severely hampered
[23:21] <daftykins> :D
[23:21] <daftykins> i remember hearing of that, see i think that is how hacking should be done :P
[23:22] <diddledan> with the hackers and sysadmins roaming the same environment
[23:22] <diddledan> and hackers trying to hide round corners when an admin comes along
[23:25] <daftykins> noclip!
[23:25] <diddledan> lol
[23:25] <diddledan> that was funky when you got to the edge of the play area


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[00:00] <huwshimi> hatch: Are you gone for the day?
[00:04] <huwshimi> hatch: Are you gone for the day?
[00:04] <huwshimi> something's not right
[00:05] <hatch> im still here
[00:06] <huwshimi> hatch: If I override the init method on the tokens then it won't render the tokens again when I close and open the machine view
[00:07] <hatch> ok looking at the code
[00:09] <hatch> when you close and open the machine view does it destroy all the tokens?
[00:09] <hatch> it looks like it
[00:10] <huwshimi> yeah
[00:10] <hatch> so that doesn't make any sense
[00:10] <hatch> so it only works once?
[00:11] <huwshimi> hatch: Actually, that might not be entirely correct.
[00:11] <huwshimi> hatch: If you drag a charm to the canvas, deploy and then open the machine view they don't appear
[00:12] <huwshimi> hatch: Even though the machine token's render function is called.
[00:14] <hatch> not sure
[00:14] <hatch> I can look at it later on
[00:14] <hatch> but atm I've got a bunch of stuff to do heh
[00:20] <huwshimi> no problems
[00:28] <kadams54> hatch: it does pass! Woot woot!
[00:28] <kadams54> I'm going to squash again, but I fully expect that to pass as well.
[00:34] <kadams54> Oh, heh, the version that passed doesn't have the async fix yet. Never mind.
[01:15] <kadams54> huwshimi: I'm knocking off for the night, but if you want to QA my PR, it's ready to be broken :-) https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/393
[01:16] <huwshimi> kadams54: No problems, I'll take a look!
[01:16] <kadams54> Have a good one…
[01:16] <huwshimi> kadams54: Night
[01:38] <rick_h_> evening
[02:46] <hatch> huwshimi hey how goes it?
[02:46] <huwshimi> hatch: ugh
[02:48] <hatch> that good eh? anything I can help with?
[02:49] <huwshimi> hatch: Well, I think I know that the container is not being set correctly, I just don't know why
[02:50] <huwshimi> although now it's not working at all, even if I don't overwrite the init
[07:06] <rogpeppe1> mornin' all
[07:11] <huwshimi> rogpeppe1: Morning
[07:13] <rogpeppe1> huwshimi: hiya
[08:34] <frankban> rogpeppe1: morning
[08:34] <rogpeppe1> frankban: hiya
[08:34] <rogpeppe1> frankban: hangout?
[08:34] <frankban> rogpeppe1: yes
[11:09] <rick_h_> morning all
[12:26] <jcsackett> morning, all.
[12:27] <jcsackett> rick_h_: you back today?
[12:28] <rick_h_> jcsackett: yep, back and emailing wheee
[12:28] <jcsackett> ah, the email excavation, always fun.
[12:31]  * frankban lunches
[12:39] <bac> rick_h_: thanks for your email to ben.  i was left scratching my head too.
[12:43] <rick_h_> bac: heh, maybe I was just tired. We'll see
[12:43] <rick_h_> rogpeppe1: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/124 is part of what I was talking about stealing from core. I'm not sure if we can use it but just something to be aware of
[13:01] <rogpeppe1> rick_h_: that seems largely overkill for what we need to do, i think (though i reserve the right to change my mind later :-])
[13:01] <rogpeppe1> rick_h_: in particular i hope that we can avoid using the txn package in store
[13:02] <rick_h_> rogpeppe1: ok, cool. Just want to make sure we don't reinvent the wheela a couple times
[13:03] <rogpeppe1> rick_h_: i suspect this wheel will be a different enough shape that there wouldn't be much saved by trying to reuse the code.
[13:03] <rick_h_> rogpeppe1: sounds good thanks
[13:04] <rick_h_> rogpeppe1: you also see the point on the individual file blogs inside the charms/bundles?
[13:04] <rogpeppe1> rick_h_: i'm not sure. we definitely want to expose *some* data/metadata from bundles, but i don't know about individual file extraction.
[13:05] <rick_h_> rogpeppe1: well during publish time we want to store then apart
[13:05] <rick_h_> we need this for things like icons and such, without extraction on demand
[13:05] <rogpeppe1> rick_h_: because you can't create zip files in JS?
[13:06] <rogpeppe1> rick_h_: icons, certainly
[13:06] <rick_h_> rogpeppe1: no, more because when we load api results we need to shot icons, allow readmes, etc
[13:06] <rick_h_>  s/shot/show
[13:06] <rogpeppe1> rick_h_: anything else?
[13:06] <rick_h_> and we allow things like browser the hooks and such
[13:07] <rick_h_> rogpeppe1: the list of whitelisted files are in charmworld second
[13:08] <rick_h_> rogpeppe1: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~juju-gui-bot/charmworld/trunk/view/head:/charmworld/models.py#L914
[13:08] <rick_h_> are what we currently load/allow. I suspect we'll want to add actions to that soon
[13:09] <rogpeppe1> rick_h_: yeah, actions should definitely be there
[13:10] <rick_h_> rogpeppe1: and we expose those whitelisted files over http://charmworld.readthedocs.org/en/latest/api.html#retrieving-the-files-that-make-up-a-charm
[13:11] <rogpeppe1> rick_h_: does the GUI know how to parse those files? or does it just show the raw data?
[13:11] <rick_h_> rogpeppe1: raw data but it needs to know how to parse the actions to build the UI for them
[13:11] <rick_h_> so that's not always going to be true (that it doesn't need to parse)
[13:11] <rick_h_> rogpeppe1: oh, well I guess it renders .md file for README so it parses some, plain dumps others
[13:11] <rogpeppe1> rick_h_: so you've got a decent YAML parser in JS?
[13:12] <rick_h_> rogpeppe1: nope, we get json :)
[13:12] <rick_h_> rogpeppe1: that's why we've pushed so hard for jsonschema and limiting the yaml in there to stuff that's valid json as well
[13:12] <rogpeppe1> rick_h_: how will you get json from a YAML file? (i think the actions file is yaml)
[13:12] <rick_h_> the api will save us? :)
[13:12] <rick_h_> it's what we've been working on with the actions guys from the start. Making sure it's targeted to json/gui use
[13:12] <rogpeppe1> rick_h_: so that means it's not just extracting files from the zip, but applying appropriate transformations to them too?
[13:13] <rick_h_> but that will come from core, not from the store
[13:13] <rick_h_> from the store we just want to be able to show users what's in the charm
[13:13] <rogpeppe1> rick_h_: so you won't be able to parse actions unless you've got a live environment?
[13:14] <rick_h_> rogpeppe1: hmm, not sure. On the one hand we NEED parsed for a live env so we can show you the UI generated based on the actions file
[13:14] <rogpeppe1> rick_h_: BTW i'm not necessarily opposed to doing some store-side transformations - i'm just trying to work out whether we're talking about a general file retrieval mechanism or tailored metadata
[13:14] <rick_h_> rogpeppe1: but in the store side, we want to show users 'this charm supports these actions with these docs/notes'
[13:14] <rick_h_> rogpeppe1: to date, it's just been file retrieval
[13:15] <rick_h_> rogpeppe1: with the only store side transformations being around icons so that we don't show icons for non-recommended charms
[13:15] <rogpeppe1> rick_h_: from what i can see, it'd be quite straightforward to provide access to individual files from the zip if necessary, while still storing the files in zip format in the db
[13:16] <rogpeppe1> rick_h_: writing is a bit different though
[13:16] <rogpeppe1> rick_h_: and if you can't create zip files client-side, that may be awkward
[13:16] <rick_h_> rogpeppe1: yea we can't do that reliably
[13:17] <rick_h_> rogpeppe1: otp can chat about it in a bit
[13:17] <rogpeppe1> rick_h_: a mime multipart archive might be possible
[13:17] <rogpeppe1> rick_h_: ok, enjoy!
[13:23] <jcsackett> juju-gui: anyone have the story on the "activeID in charm results" card in Project 1? i'd like to start in on it, but i need more context, like what part of charm results? (and is that 'precice' a typo or something we're meant to support)
[13:29] <jcsackett> oops. jujugui^
[13:33] <rick_h_> jcsackett: I can fill you in after the call if no one else gets to you
[13:34] <frankban> rogpeppe1: I am back in the hangout
[13:34] <jcsackett> rick_h_: after the call i'll have ~40min of work left. might as well leave it till monday.
[13:38] <rick_h_> jcsackett: I mean my current call sorry
[13:38] <rick_h_> 30ish min
[13:38] <jcsackett> rick_h_: oh, ok.
[13:46] <bac> hi rick_h_ -- i've tried quickstart on utopic with mixed results.  it works great against ec2 but on local provider i cannot get services to fully start.
[13:46] <bac> rick_h_: so there may be a juju issue there but not a quickstart one, afaict
[13:48] <rick_h_> bac: yea, we're waiting on the upcoming release
[13:50] <bac> rick_h_: i've got 1.19.3.  the fix for bug 1314686 was targeted to 1.19.2 so i thought it would be in
[13:50] <_mup_> Bug #1314686: Please add support for utopic <packaging> <juju-core:Fix Released by wallyworld> <juju-core 1.18:Fix Released by wallyworld> <juju-core (Ubuntu):Fix Committed by racb> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1314686>
[14:03] <rick_h_> jcsackett: free
[14:03] <rick_h_> jcastro: do you know who works with sputnick stuff on our end?
[14:04] <jcastro> yeah
[14:04] <rick_h_> bac: there was some mongo issue that I think needs the upcoming 1.19.4
[14:04] <rick_h_> jcastro: I wanted to buy one but they won't let me and say stuff changing and want to make sure if I wait there is a new one vs it's ended or something
[14:04] <jcastro> rick_h_, it was kamal mostafa, no idea if he still does it
[14:04] <rick_h_> jcastro: cool thanks
[14:04] <jcastro> oh you mean business wise
[14:04] <rick_h_> jcsackett: meet you in the standup hangout
[14:07] <jcsackett> rick_h_: dig.
[14:08] <jcsackett> rick_h_: be a moment. it's doing the "you don't have the plugin installed" nonsense.
[14:09] <jcsackett> rick_h_: today's standup hangout? b/c i'm there, but you're not. and i can't imagine i beat you.
[14:12] <bac> rick_h_: any suggestions on what i should do next?
[14:14] <rick_h_> bac: sec, after this call can chat.
[14:16] <kadams54> hatch: I'm not seeing any changes on develop - did huw's branches not land yet?
[14:16] <hatch> kadams54 nope https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/391
[14:17] <hatch> I'm doing another review and qa atm
[14:17] <hatch> then it will
[14:17] <hatch> if all goes well
[14:17] <kadams54> I can review and QA as well
[14:18] <kadams54> It seems like there are quite a few things coming out of the machine view work that warrant further discussion with the design team.
[14:18] <hatch> oh?
[14:19] <kadams54> There are consistency issues with the create container form, such as the "Move/Create/Add" label on the same button. Ditto for some labels within the form.
[14:19] <hatch> kadams54 ok if you could do the QA then I could keep going on my remove relation stuff
[14:20] <hatch> be very thorough there was a lot of hidden bugs the last time heh
[14:20] <rick_h_> jcsackett: frozen fail
[14:20] <kadams54> There are questions about how to handle situations like dropping a unit on one machine while you have another machine selected
[14:20] <jcsackett> rick_h_: i've been knocked off hangouts; google claims i have no internet, which is funny b/c other things open.
[14:20] <rick_h_> lol
[14:20] <rick_h_> it hates you man. You've got more hangout issues than anyone I know
[14:21] <jcsackett> i know dude.
[14:21] <jcsackett> and i'm not doing anything unusual.
[14:21] <jcsackett> i have three google accounts--i know people with 5 or 6 who have fewer issues.
[14:21] <jcsackett> rick_h_: ok, it's loading again.
[14:21] <kadams54> Now that machine view is really starting to shape up, we're driving out all the normal UX issues that happen when you take static visuals and turn them into a working, changing app.
[14:21] <jcsackett> should be there in a second.
[14:22] <rick_h_> kadams54: wheeeeee
[14:25] <rick_h_> antdillon: jcsackett hatch http://techcrunch.com/2014/06/19/google-launches-web-starter-kit-a-boilerplate-for-multi-screen-web-development/ kind of cool
[14:25] <hatch> yeah I've got it open in a tab
[14:25] <hatch> heh
[14:25] <hatch> haven't tried it yet
[14:26] <rick_h_> bac: ok got a sec?
[14:26] <bac> rick_h_: sure
[14:26] <rick_h_> bac: @ standup hangout?
[14:27] <bac> yep, joining
[14:27] <bac> rick_h_: looks like it is occupied
[14:27] <rick_h_> bac: it should be free
[14:27] <rick_h_> I'm in it
[14:28] <bac> rick_h_: url? normal daily standup has fb and rp in it
[14:28] <rick_h_> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/calendar/cmljay5oYXJkaW5nQGNhbm9uaWNhbC5jb20.t3m5giuddiv9epub48d9skdaso?authuser=1
[14:28] <rick_h_> bac: ah I'm in the friday url
[14:29] <bac> blast the friday url
[14:32] <hatch> makyo_ is there a secret 'get relation by endpoints' method hidden somewhere?
[14:34] <hatch> ahah I found it...
[14:37] <hatch> rick_h_ whenever you get a second we should chat about the ghost inspector and the ecs change stuff
[14:41] <jcsackett> rick_h_: that is pretty cool.
[14:41] <rick_h_> hatch: sure thing, sec
[14:43] <antdillon> rick_h_, Looks good, I've been using browsersync.io, but will give it ago
[14:43] <rick_h_> antdillon: yea, all good. Just something to keep an eye on
[14:44] <jcsackett> jujugui: is /charmName a valid url? I thought we only wanted /series/charmName and /series/charmName-version
[14:44] <hatch> jcsackett it is
[14:44] <hatch> at least it used to be
[14:44] <jcsackett> hatch: i mean, it's allowed by the app. it's the reason we're having the login weirdness.
[14:44] <hatch> deal with it
[14:44] <hatch> .....
[14:45]  * hatch snickers
[14:45] <jcsackett> and, if anyone creates a charm named login, is going to be an issue.
[14:45] <rick_h_> jcsackett: yea, it defaults to latest series
[14:45] <jcsackett> i mean, that's an *unlikley* charm name.
[14:45] <jcsackett> how about moving /login and /logout to a /somenamespace/loging etc
[14:45] <hatch> jcsackett I'm not sure I understand the problem...can't you just check if it's login/logout and call it a day?
[14:46] <jcsackett> hatch: what if someone makes a charm for a single sign on service and names it login?
[14:46] <jcsackett> i'm not saying it's likely, but it's possible.
[14:46] <hatch> we tell them in review that they can't
[14:46] <hatch> :)
[14:46] <hatch> it'll only matter on promoted charms
[14:46] <hatch> promulgated?
[14:46] <rick_h_> yea, only promulgated charms get that
[14:46] <hatch> approved
[14:46] <hatch> yeah....approved
[14:46] <hatch> :D
[14:46] <rick_h_> so it's a list we control
[14:47] <jcsackett> ok, if people are comfortable with that being a review req, i'm fine with it. just wanted to raise it as an issue.
[14:47] <rick_h_> hatch: ok, give me 2 and we can standup?
[14:47] <hatch> rick_h_ yep no rush
[14:47] <hatch> I'm reading some old code that has no comments and illegible var names
[14:47] <hatch> I feel like I'm reading some third party node.js code
[14:47] <hatch> rofl
[14:48] <hatch> ahh I crack myself up....
[14:48] <rick_h_> hatch: k, loading
[14:48] <hatch> umm it's being broken...
[14:49] <hatch> just a sec, switching networks...
[14:55] <rick_h_> jujugui call in 5
[14:59] <rick_h_> jujugui call in 1
[15:01] <bac> jujugui: also, trusty->utopic via 'update-manager -d' hangs.  'do-release-upgrade' is the way to go.
[15:17] <bac> hi hazmat, i see you're out next week. could you have a look at my merge proposal for jujuclient before you head out?
[15:19] <bac> jujugui: US-based people, reminder there is a 401-K meeting at 12EDT
[15:19] <hazmat> bac, yes, there another on the same topic
[15:19] <hazmat> there is
[15:19] <hatch> Oooo I'll take some 401K's
[15:19] <bac> by noon i mean 1pm sorry
[15:19] <hazmat> yeah.. curious what that's about re 401k
[15:19] <hazmat> are plan options kinda blow
[15:20] <hazmat> our
[15:20] <bac> hazmat: yeah, i think they are looking at new selections. i've been pressing for some ETFs or similar
[15:21] <jcsackett> juju-gui: i could use a review on https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/397
[15:28] <rick_h_> bac: thanks for the reminder
[15:31] <rogpeppe1> that was such a dumb thing to do!
[15:31] <hatch> rogpeppe1 lol
[15:31] <rogpeppe1> keybd now sigificantly broken
[15:32] <hatch> uh oh, well now you have the weekend to take it apart and clean it
[15:32] <kadams54> Way to keep on the sunny side hatch
[15:38] <hatch> well it's been pouring here for a week
[15:39] <hatch> so something's gota be sunny!
[15:48] <hatch> just in case everyone misses GOTO https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Statements/label :P
[15:59] <rogpeppe1> hatch: i've just cleaned it ok, but problem is that in taking some of the keys off, some of the little plastic pieces under the keys have broken
[15:59] <hatch> damn lenovo junk :P
[15:59] <rogpeppe1> hatch: so now i'm missing an x, an r and half the space bar
[15:59] <hatch> I'm going to bet you can buy those parts....I hope at least
[16:00] <rogpeppe1> hatch: when the fan broke, they replaced the keyboard and i'm sure it wasn't so vulnerable before
[16:00] <rogpeppe1> hatch: i hope so too
[16:00] <hatch> I bet that plastic gets fatigued over time
[16:00] <hatch> being banged on day-in-day-out
[16:00] <rogpeppe1> hatch: it's less than 6 mo old
[16:01] <hatch> well what the heck...
[16:01] <rogpeppe1> IMO, keys should not break if you pull them off
[16:02] <hatch> I'm with you on that one
[16:02] <hatch> when I moved some keys around on my MBP they flew apart but didn't break
[16:02] <rogpeppe1> hatch: i spilled a glass of gin & tonic all over the old keyboard on the plane once, and it ended up fine
[16:03] <hatch> clearly it can hold its booze
[16:03] <hatch> ...
[16:03] <hatch> :D
[16:09] <jcsackett> have a good weekend all.
[16:09] <rogpeppe1> good. laptopkey.com seems to be the biz
[16:11] <kadams54> hatch: Finished QAing huw's branch and left a comment. I really only found one problem and that might be better to address in a separate branch.
[16:12] <hatch> looking
[16:12] <hatch> rogpeppe1 great!
[16:12] <rogpeppe1> three new keys ordered...
[16:12] <rogpeppe1> $17.60
[16:12] <hatch> ahh I love the internet, obscure businesses for everything :D
[16:13] <rogpeppe1> they even had pictures of the three possible keyboards this laptop could have
[16:13] <rogpeppe1> anyway, time for me to vamos
[16:13] <rogpeppe1> happy weekends all!
[16:14] <hatch> cya rogpeppe1 have a good one
[16:14] <hatch> kadams54 thanks for the qa - I agree, follow-up card
[16:14] <hatch> I only had one small note which maybe you can address in your branch
[16:14] <hatch> I'll shipit
[16:15] <kadams54> No.
[16:15] <hatch> no don't shipit?
[16:15] <kadams54> I categorically refuse to address anything else in my branch.
[16:15] <hatch> oh lol
[16:15] <kadams54> ;-)
[16:15] <kadams54> Alright, let's land this puppy so I can move from test hell to merge heaven…
[16:15] <hatch> ok shippppped - so kadams54  there is the one trivial comment I made
[16:15] <kadams54> Oh, wait.
[16:15] <hatch> too late
[16:16] <hatch> :P well not really, but what's up?
[16:16] <kadams54> OK, I need to quit making jokes that can be misinterpreted as "stop what you're doing"
[16:16] <hatch> can you create a bug for your first qa comment
[16:16] <hatch> lol
[16:16] <kadams54> My "oh wait" was a follow up to my comment about "merge heaven"
[16:16] <hatch> ohhhh I get it
[16:17] <hatch> maybe it won't be so bad
[16:17] <kadams54>  hatch: will do on the bug
[16:17] <hatch> kadams54 so it's still going to be a good 30mins until it's merged just fyi
[16:18] <kadams54> Yeah, I'm going to grab lunch
[16:28] <hatch> *sigh* turns out the method I thought we had, doesn't work like I thought it did
[16:38]  * rick_h_ runs to get lunch
[16:39] <hatch> rick_h_ saw your tweet, what are you getting?
[16:39] <rick_h_> hatch: ordered the xps13 developer edition with ubuntu on it
[16:40] <rick_h_> need a laptop with working mic/camera for all my darn calls
[16:40] <hatch> woah.....
[16:40] <hatch> don't those run 12.04?
[16:41] <rick_h_> yea, but not like I'd ever run the OS delivered anyway
[16:42] <rick_h_> ok, off to lunch now biaf
[17:04] <bac> joining that conference call is the hardest thing i've done today
[17:06] <hatch> lol
[17:40] <hatch> rick_h_ heh true - so does 14.04 have all the drivers necessary?
[17:41] <rick_h_> hatch: I assume, we'll find out
[17:41] <rick_h_> at least the camera should work :)
[17:41] <hatch> haha - you hope...
[17:41] <hatch> :P
[17:41] <rick_h_> others have them in the company so I feel pretty good
[17:41] <rick_h_> I'm not going to love it, but there's such a lack of 'good' laptops out there right now
[17:46] <hatch> it's true
[17:47] <hatch> I'm digging this MBP but I really need to get some support from someone who knows how to write drivers :)
[17:47] <rick_h_> yea, the camera not working is a killer for me.
[17:47] <rick_h_> too many calls to have to do
[17:47] <rick_h_> and rebooting into osx to do calls is a pita
[17:48] <rick_h_> and using osx is an even bigger pita
[17:48] <hatch> yop!
[17:53] <rick_h_> Makyo: you're going off of https://drive.google.com/a/canonical.com/?pli=1#folders/0B7XG_QBXNwY1cWQ4TmRmRXJBc0E for the change version?
[17:57] <Makyo> rick_h_, https://drive.google.com/a/canonical.com/#folders/0B7XG_QBXNwY1Vmowb25PejhJOTg
[17:58] <Makyo> Which looks similar.
[17:58] <rick_h_> Makyo: oh cool I missed it on there when I loaded it up :/
[17:58] <rick_h_> blindy friday
[17:59] <hatch> rick_h_ so on sprints are you going to bring three laptops now? lol
[17:59] <rick_h_> hatch: no, I'll be down to one
[17:59] <rick_h_> I'm tired of carrying two
[18:00] <rick_h_> and two power cords etc
[18:00] <hatch> This weekend I think I'll hop back into Ubuntu and see if I can get the issues fixed up
[18:01] <hatch> would really love to run it on metal
[18:40] <rick_h_> I'm going to run. Everyone have a good weekend.
[18:40] <hatch> cya rick_h_  enjoy!
[20:47] <hatch> kadams54 hey did the rebase go ok?
[20:48] <kadams54> Yeah, it's pushed and the CI build is churning away on it right now.
[20:48] <hatch> oh cool, so it's ready for a review?
[20:48] <kadams54> Yup.
[20:56] <bac> bye jujugui. have a nice weekend everyone.
[20:56] <kadams54> You too bac
[20:56] <hatch> you too, cya bac
[21:02] <hatch> kadams54 in the _displayCreateMachine method you're grabbing either the create-machine or create-container element for the container....but won't there also be a create-xxx in the unplaced units column when the user clicks the little button?
[21:03] <kadams54> serviceunit-token.js handles its form a little differently
[21:03] <kadams54> Since it needs to populate the dropdowns dynamically, including existing machines and containers
[21:03] <hatch> so we have two identical forms with two different code bases? :)
[21:04] <kadams54> Fortunately no
[21:04] <hatch> oh ok good :)
[21:04] <kadams54> It grabs the existing form and manipulates it into what it needs
[21:05] <hatch> I don't understand the comment about the kludge
[21:06] <kadams54> Huw took the approach of showing/hiding various sections in the form by placing a "state class" at the form level… so if <form class="state-new-lxc">, hide the constraints. If <form class="state-new-kvm">, show constraints.
[21:06] <kadams54> I only discovered that after using the "hidden" class directly on the various sections within the form
[21:07] <kadams54> In the other places the form is used
[21:07] <kadams54> So in that bit of code we're both setting the state class AND having to remove the "hidden" class
[21:07] <kadams54> It should only be one or the other and the approach needs to be consistent throughout the code
[21:08] <hatch> hmm ok thx
[21:08] <kadams54> TBH, I meant to revisit that once everything was working and happy, but before it went out for review
[21:08] <kadams54> Sorry.
[21:08] <hatch> np, we should get this landed
[21:08] <hatch> almost done review
[21:13] <hatch> kadams54 ok review is done
[21:14] <hatch> I'll do qa no
[21:14] <hatch> q
[21:14] <hatch> now
[21:16] <kadams54> Ah yes… the async issue in the tests…
[21:16] <kadams54> I tried wrapping them in after
[21:16] <kadams54> And failed miserably.
[21:16] <kadams54> Having chunks of the code executed as callbacks messed up stubbed methods
[21:16] <kadams54> env.createMachine.lastArguments() was undefined
[21:17] <hatch> ok after QA I'll show you a diff
[21:19] <kadams54> Here's what I tried… https://gist.github.com/kadams54/bc7cfc5ddb722bd42cc8
[21:19] <hatch> and env was undefined?
[21:24] <kadams54> One moment, let me check…
[21:28] <kadams54> No, env is not undefined
[21:28] <kadams54> And addMachines is still a stub method
[21:28] <kadams54> It's just that lastArguments() now returns undefined
[21:29] <kadams54> Something (f._allArguments?) seems to be dropping out of scope once the assertion happens in a closure
[21:30] <hatch> ok sorry I can look now, I was just sending an email re a qa issue
[21:30] <hatch> ok looking at the code
[21:31] <hatch> hmm that's very odd
[21:32] <hatch> kadams54 I"m ok with leaving it I suppose, it looks like it's causing more issues than it's solving....no idea why those issues are happening though
[21:33] <kadams54> hatch: OK. FYI, I found a problem when QAing… now that I have Huw's stuff, the dropAction is not bubbling up through the events properly.
[21:33] <hatch> really? It's working here
[21:33] <hatch> what's your issue?
[21:34] <hatch> I'll try and repro it
[21:34] <kadams54> When I drop an unplaced unit on the "Create Container" target in the container column header, the form shows up over in the machine column
[21:35] <kadams54> The action [21:35] <kadams54> OK, gotta run
[21:36] <hatch> ok be sure to add that comment to the PR so noone lands with it