[00:49] <TheMarius> kubuntu! 15.10 .. very good, some bugs related to widgets but nothing bad
[00:49] <TheMarius> its become my new desktop os after win 10 decided to quit on me
[00:50] <TheMarius> only software you have to pay for i use now is an old version of dreamweaver ... kompozer isnt quite up to do what it does.. other than that i have everything
[00:50] <TheMarius> even games.. steam
[00:50] <TheMarius> so thumbs up!
[00:53] <TheMarius> when i like this setup over what multibillion dollar companies do, it says alot doesnt it
[11:16] <benvantende> hey people, amarok does not seem to work with 16.04. i get this message when trying to install manually:
[11:16] <benvantende>  amarok : Depends: amarok-common (= 2:2.8.0-0ubuntu6) but 2:2.8.90-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa2 is to be installed
[11:16] <benvantende> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[11:18] <benvantende> any idea where the error lies?
[11:29] <soee> benvantende: hiho
[11:30] <soee> try: apt remove amarok-common
[11:30] <soee> and than: apt install --reinstall amarok
[11:35] <tahaan>  /msg NickServ identify thisisme
[11:37] <tahaan> Is there 'n Widget to show the National Geographic daily image?
[11:37] <tahaan> Eg: http://photography.nationalgeographic.com/photography/photo-of-the-day/
[11:40] <lordievader> benvantende: Sounds like you have a Utopic ppa enabled.
[11:40] <lordievader> On Xenial.
[11:40] <benvantende> hey soee, brilliant!
[11:41] <benvantende> hey lordievader, let me clean that ppa up. thanks!!
[11:50] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:41] <shane__> Does anyone know how to share clipboard content from kdeconnect on laptop to their phone?  Mine is paired and kde connect installed on phone, however, there's no option to do anything from the system tray icon except open remote folders
[14:25] <n0yd> Anyone on kubuntu+1? Just curious if there is a known problem with the desktop widgets like I am  experiencing? they do not display correctly. Any workarounds?
[14:55] <rattking> Hi, I have been evaluating kubuntu again and I am noticing that all my konsoles disappear when I plug the external monitor to my laptop, I dont see anything related in .xsession-errors.. does anyone know what might be causing that or how to fix it? or even anywhere else to look for logs?
[14:57] <mattfly>  Oh, it seens that there are so many kubuntu fans
[14:57] <mattfly> I cant wait for 16.04 anymore
[14:57] <mattfly> kde 5 is really magnific!
[14:59] <oparoz> How do I re-install all the QT plugins loaded at startup time? One, related to libnettle is making the whole thing crash
[14:59] <rattking> kde 5 looks nice, but it doesnt seem too stable yet..
[15:08] <yossarianuk> running kubuntu 15.10 with little stability issues
[15:12] <rattking> you dont have konsole crashes when you plug in a external monitor?
[15:14] <yossarianuk> rattking: not personally....
[15:15] <yossarianuk> there were multiple monitior fixes in plasma 5.4.x i believe...
[15:19] <mattfly>  actually, for me, when plugging a monitor is a hell
[15:20] <rattking> I found a few bug reports for my issue, it sounds like a qt issue that was suppose to be patched now.
[15:20] <mattfly> the widgets on desktop seens to adjust in the new screen, even if it is mirroned
[15:41] <shane__> running kubuntu 16.04 beta and this is the ONLY distro I've every run that locks up when you connect an external monitor. Complete freeze.  Where do I start in solving this problem?
[15:41] <mattfly> it freezes?
[15:41] <mattfly> omg
[15:42] <shane__> yes, freezes. Sits for more than 10 minutes and I have to hard reboot it
[15:42] <shane__> I believe it's a particular scenario in which this happens and not all scenarios
[15:43] <shane__> suspend. connect external monitor. wake up. power on external monitor. Locks up after 1-2 seconds of moving mouse
[15:43] <BluesKaj> shane__, ask in #ubunru+1 for 16.04 support
[15:43] <mattfly> that's really concerning for a beta release
[15:44] <rattking> thats the reason I stopped using kubuntu a few months ago, that I am revisiting now :(
[15:44] <mattfly> i'll hope they will fix it
[15:44] <shane__> ive read it's a QT5 issue, probably, but not sure how to solve it
[15:44]  * rattking has loved kde since 0.9.6
[15:44] <shane__> BluesKaj - is that the correct channel name? #ubunru+1?
[15:45] <BluesKaj> sorry my mistake, it's #ubuntu+1
[15:45] <shane__> ok, thanks
[15:46] <BluesKaj> my eyes aren't so great today ..think I'm going to need new specs soon
[17:23] <sriram> hello
[17:23] <sriram> Hello everyone
 Plasma 5 mattfly
[20:31] <quico> hola
[20:31] <quico> como  estan
[20:40] <almas> f
[22:36] <HetroErectus> the silence here must bear withness to kubuntu running great
[22:37] <saigel> I'm pretty happy with it.
[22:37] <HetroErectus> its been the least buggy linux distro ive ran for a long while
[22:37] <HetroErectus> only bugs have been a few crashes when i play with plasma widgets
[22:38] <saigel> That's probably not a problem with the OS, per se, right?
[22:38] <HetroErectus> no .. i think thats KDE .. plasma 5 is fresh so you'd expect it
[22:38] <HetroErectus> 15.10 which i run is allmost like a beta for the big one this month
[22:39] <saigel> I'm still happily running 14.04
[22:39] <saigel> Looking forward to 16.04
[22:39] <HetroErectus> its LTS so im certainly doing the move up
[22:39] <HetroErectus> doubt there will be many changes from 15.10 however
[22:40] <HetroErectus> didnt seem so on reviews .. probably bugfixes etc mostly
[22:40] <saigel> Me too. Although I've learned my lessons in the past. i will be doing a full backup before I do the update!
[22:40] <HetroErectus> ok :)
[22:41] <HetroErectus> i sort of lack a rolling release type.. opensuse is kubuntus only worthy contender but it wont install
[22:41] <HetroErectus> lack.. miss rather
[22:41] <saigel> :-(
[22:42] <HetroErectus> i was positively surpriced it found EVERYTHING ... keyboards, soundcard, printers etc
[22:42] <saigel> That's a good feeling!
[22:42] <HetroErectus> didnt even have to go trough the routines connecting network printers that i have to in wondows.. found it on the network and ran it right away
[22:42] <HetroErectus> yup
[22:44] <HetroErectus> still though its lagging behind win 10 etc more now than it used to i think
[22:44] <saigel> How so?
[22:44] <HetroErectus> in terms of use... doesnt matter though
[22:45] <saigel> In general, I'm not too happy with Windows 10
[22:45] <HetroErectus> win 10 died on me
[22:45] <saigel> The last Windows I was able to tolerate was 7.
[22:45] <HetroErectus> thats why i switched
[22:46] <saigel> Died?
[22:46] <HetroErectus> one day i rebooted and it was like the entire OS was stuck in quicksand.. took 5 min to open the web browser.. happened after i installed openshot for windows
[22:46] <HetroErectus> :/
[22:46] <HetroErectus> wasnt able to fix it .. so i gave up and deleted the crap
[22:47] <saigel> If I were to buy a new computer with Windows 10 on it, I would first back it up (in case I ever decided to sell the computer), and then immediately install Ubuntu on it!
[22:48] <HetroErectus> i use a surface pro 3 to chat on now, on this one win 10 makes sense
[22:48] <HetroErectus> linux cant beat onenote and toutch functionality of this by far
[22:48] <saigel> Cool. Hope it doesn't get stuck in the quicksand like the other one!
[22:49] <HetroErectus> on an older desktop or regular laptop however......
[22:49] <HetroErectus> with modest specs
[22:49] <HetroErectus> then im all in on linux
[22:49] <saigel> What is it about OneNote that you like? I've never used it.
[22:49] <HetroErectus> the fact i can press a button and start writing, by hand
[22:50] <HetroErectus> with a pen that ships with surface pro 3
[22:50] <HetroErectus> its like having a block of papers with you
[22:50] <HetroErectus> and you can transfer it to mobile phones etc
[22:50] <saigel> Ok.I have an app that sounds similar on my iPad.
[22:50] <HetroErectus> draw, record and put in video or sound etc on the "paper" in onenote
[22:51] <saigel> Nifty~
[22:51] <saigel> Er, I meant "Nifty!"
[22:51] <HetroErectus> id say surface pro thanks to onenote is the ultimate student computer
[22:51] <saigel> I'm all for "the right tool for the job!"
[22:51] <HetroErectus> you can tape the class, make notes beside the video and play it back home
[22:52] <HetroErectus> yep
[22:52] <HetroErectus> since its aimed at specs of surface pro, it doesnt make sense to make this in linux anyway.. not yet atleast
[22:56] <HetroErectus> however maybe libreoffice could look at something like this in the future
[22:56] <saigel> That would be cool.
[22:57] <HetroErectus> made a habbit using open source apps for win, so for me switching was easy.. problem for most are they've gotten used to ms office etc
[22:58] <saigel> There is an app that I use sometimes, although probably not as sophisticated as OneNote, called xournal. It lets me hand-draw notes. It can do it on top of pdf files, too, which makes it kind of like an annotation tool.
[22:58] <HetroErectus> yep
[22:58] <HetroErectus> heard of it
[22:58] <HetroErectus> havent tried it but the brilliance of onenote can only be understood by seeing it
[22:59] <saigel> Maybe I will see it someday... ;-)
[23:00] <HetroErectus> work with development of kubuntu or just a user?
[23:01] <saigel> Actually, I use straight Ubuntu. I used KDE when I was on PC-BSD.
[23:01] <HetroErectus> ok =)
[23:01] <saigel> I do web development mostly, so not so much in the OS development lab.
[23:02] <HetroErectus> so you are in the ubuntu team? well creds for creating this os
[23:02] <HetroErectus> or helping with it
[23:02] <saigel> Ah, no, I didn't mean to imply that. I'm not associated with Canonical...
[23:03] <HetroErectus> ok
[23:03] <HetroErectus> i can picture $20 raspberri pi clones in a few years running ubuntu and used for editing video etc in a few years time
[23:04] <saigel> I have Ubuntu runnign on a Pi.
[23:04] <HetroErectus> its slow though
[23:04] <saigel> Just for play, of course.
[23:04] <saigel> Yeah, a bit slow.
[23:05] <saigel> Although I have heard of people building a massively parallel system with Raspberry Pi computers to achieve a really high-speed, low-cose machine.
[23:05] <saigel> s/case/cost/g
[23:06] <HetroErectus> raspberry has a competitor that cost $20 and is even faster.. kickstart project.. dont recall the name of it
[23:07] <HetroErectus> anyway 3-4 more years and they'll probably run ubuntu at that cost with kdenlive doing 1080p video editing without hickups
[23:07] <saigel> There is getting to be several competitors in that field. One offers a $5 machine (simpler), and another offers a $100-$200 machine with much more power.
[23:08] <HetroErectus> yup
[23:11] <HetroErectus> doing some manual windows updates here.. slow :/
[23:11] <saigel> Ah. Sorry for you!
[23:12] <saigel> I'm doing some studying and writing about the Bible.
[23:12] <HetroErectus> what sort of project?
[23:12] <HetroErectus> im a christian :)
[23:13] <saigel> Couple years ago, I took a class in Digital Cryptography. As you may know, cryptography not only allows encryption and decryption, but also message authentication.
[23:13] <HetroErectus> i was far from that until this autumn when crazy things happened ... proved i was wrong about everything
[23:14] <HetroErectus> its sort of happened before... i paid for the way i used to think basically
[23:14] <saigel> I'm discovering that the first five books of the Bible also have a sort of digital signature in them.
[23:14] <HetroErectus> its real
[23:14] <HetroErectus> im not surpriced
[23:16] <HetroErectus> god speaks to us trough the bible.. idk if you're religious or not, but thats how it works for me.. if you arent christian you get nothing out of reading it
[23:16] <krytarik> !ot
[23:16] <HetroErectus> it even says so
[23:17] <saigel> ubottu: Oops. You're right. Sorry.
[23:17] <HetroErectus> sorry
[23:20] <HetroErectus> one thing though that sucks in linux .. thats lack of compatibility with DRM.. i fixed netflix installing chrome (wouldnt run in chromium) ... but thats not linux fault
[23:20] <HetroErectus> but i think it'll only play in 720p
[23:21] <HetroErectus> chrome packs some closed source DRM-plugins
[23:21] <saigel> Chrome is a pretty decent solution. LOL, I only have an old 480i TV. Even 720 doesn't do anything for me!
[23:21] <HetroErectus> chromium is only open source
[23:21] <HetroErectus> where from, saigel?
[23:22] <saigel> Me, geographically?
[23:22] <HetroErectus> yep
[23:22] <saigel> Near Portland Oregon
[23:22] <HetroErectus> murrican, and still use old CRT TV?
[23:22] <saigel> Mostly, I don't have time for TV.
[23:22] <HetroErectus> even people in third world countries have dumped CRT's a long time ago
[23:22] <saigel> So not a priority.
[23:22] <HetroErectus> ok
[23:23] <krytarik> Seriously guys, consider switching channels - it's not that bad over there! :P
[23:23] <saigel> Sorry, again. I'll stop!
[23:23] <HetroErectus> amazing ... keep it a little longer and maybe you could sell it to a museum ... commodore 64 got sold for a good price a decade ago
[23:23] <HetroErectus> idk about today.. probably even more
[23:23] <HetroErectus> ok
[23:23] <HetroErectus> :)
[23:27] <HetroErectus> https://deals.fossbytes.com/sales/vocore-dock-a-coin-sized-linux-computer/?utm_source=fossbytes.com&utm_medium=above-comments-deals&utm_campaign=fossbytes-deals <-- probably on topic enough... reg what we chatted about earlier.
[23:27] <HetroErectus> micro linux computer
[23:29] <HetroErectus> look at the usb port.. lol
[23:29] <saigel> Sweet!
[23:54] <tux|dude> Yo
[23:59] <flo__> hello


[03:50] <frederick851> g'day
[08:10] <head_victim> Evening all
[08:17] <brez> hello
[08:19] <head_victim> How are you brez
[08:19] <brez> I'm great -- got stuck with a bit of the flu right before the working week
[08:20] <brez> having a straight jacks to try and kill the germs!
[08:20] <brez> you?
[08:20] <head_victim> Just walked in the door from work so cleaning the inbox
[08:20] <brez> sunday work?
[08:21] <head_victim> I'm a shiftworker so I work 24/7
[08:21] <brez> same, really.
[08:21] <brez> what do you do?
[08:22] <sagaci> brez, staying around for the meeting ?
[08:22] <brez> meeting?
[08:22] <brez> this screen has been attached to this channl for 50 odd days
[08:22] <head_victim> Alarm monitoring. Basically sit in a concrete box all day and make sure everyone does their work
[08:22] <brez> I just randomly check in etc..
[08:23] <brez> oo alarm monitoring.. for an ISP?
[08:23] <head_victim> Nah for a security company
[08:23] <head_victim> Meeting is at 8
[08:23] <brez> ohhh, like house alarms?
[08:23] <brez> I thought you meant network alarms etc..
[08:24] <head_victim> Nah nothing that exciting
[08:24] <brez> sh log | i Serial2:0
[08:25] <head_victim> Heh, meant for another screen?
[08:25] <brez> yep.
[08:25] <brez> I'm on my fiances laptop
[08:25] <head_victim> Another reason to stick with a gui irc client
[08:25] <brez> things don't alt+tab as much as I would like it too.
[08:25] <head_victim> Evening gorilla
[08:25] <brez> haha, nah irssi is besty!
[08:25] <brez> I can setup irssi proxy and connect via gui client
[08:25] <head_victim> I'm planning on moving to an irssi proxy but keeping the xchat front end.
[08:26] <brez> I just think cli based IRC is better.
[08:26] <brez> I have that setup on here.
[08:26] <brez> one command, then connect to the irssi session proxy
[08:26] <brez> via xchat
[08:26] <head_victim> I'm hoping it will work ok with multi networks and about 25 channels
[08:26] <brez> I don't see the point really
[08:26] <brez> because all the commands get screwed up.
[08:26] <head_victim> Wondering how PMs and notifications will go
[08:27] <brez> exactly the same
[08:27] <brez> but I assume you'll need to connect to each IRC network on a different port
[08:27] <brez> unless you have multiple IP
[08:27] <brez> 'ss on your box.
[08:27] <head_victim> That shouldn't be too difficult to arrange either
[08:27] <head_victim> It's only going to live on the LAN here at home
[08:27] <brez> nope
[08:27] <brez> I don't understand why
[08:27] <brez> you would want to, lol
[08:28] <brez> unless you're wanting to use it like a bouncer.
[08:28] <brez> where it stays live when you shut off the PC running the gui]
[08:28] <head_victim> Trying to move my 24/7 stuff to the server so I can start switching off my desktop to save power
[08:28] <brez> ah ok
[08:28] <head_victim> Power bills suck
[08:28] <brez> why don't u just install bnc software
[08:28] <brez> like miau/znc
[08:28] <head_victim> I've gone from 5 24/7 pc's down to 3 in the last 6 months in this house
[08:28] <head_victim> Trying to make that 1
[08:28] <brez> 5?
[08:28] <brez> what do you need 5 for?
[08:28] <brez> lol
[08:29] <head_victim> 2 desktops for the wife and I each and 1 server.
[08:29] <brez> ok
[08:29] <head_victim> Then I actually calculated how much of the power bill was the computers
[08:29] <brez> lol
[08:29] <brez> I have - 1 PC, 1 media server, 1 laptop and then VPS in AUS/UK
[08:29] <head_victim> So stuffing anything I like running 24/7 on to the server and going to try turning off computers for the first time in 10 years.
[08:30] <head_victim> Actually a low end linode costs about as much as a desktop at home in power bills.
[08:30] <sagaci> head_victim, how about 1 server and 1 desktop dualboot
[08:30] <brez> what state are you in?
[08:30] <head_victim> If I could get decent storage space on a low end linode I'd probably move everything there and bugger the home server off
[08:30] <head_victim> Brisbane, Queensland.
[08:31] <brez> ah ok
[08:31] <head_victim> The problem is a linode is not really a place for photos and documents, etc.
[08:31] <brez> I basically run nothing on these VPS's\
[08:31] <brez> photos/etc/ are on a 2TB external HDD
[08:31] <brez> I don't trust technology
[08:32] <head_victim> I think I could probably impose on some friends for an irssi-proxy on a linode somewhere if I really wanted.
[08:32] <brez> all the server is used for is to run a small ftp / IRC / shellinbox
[08:32] <head_victim> Oh yeah I run raid 10 here at home AND external drive
[08:32] <head_victim> If it doesn't exist in 3 places, it doesn't exist. I just need to work on my offside backup plan better.
[08:32] <brez> if you're happy connecting via ipv6, I may be able to set you one up later.
[08:32] <head_victim> Thinking about setting up an external drive swap with my parents.
[08:33] <brez> the only thing is the VPS is located in the UK, so it may have some latency'
[08:33] <jargonfactory> hi
[08:33] <brez> you wont notice connection via the proxy though
[08:33] <brez> only directly on the cli.
[08:33] <head_victim> Thanks for the offer but I'm actually using it as a learning tool for myself. I'm what you call an "end user" having fun playing with sys admin.
[08:33] <head_victim> jargonfactory: gday.
[08:33] <jargonfactory> head_victim: how's it going.
[08:33] <brez> ok, have fun, I'm going to have some tea!
[08:33] <brez> bbl
[08:33] <head_victim> jargonfactory: not too bad, just got home from work. Yourself?
[08:33] <head_victim> brez: cheerio
[08:34] <jargonfactory> head_victim: not much. just got the notification about a meeting here :-)
[08:34] <head_victim> Ah yeah, will be at 8pm
[08:34] <jargonfactory> ahh right.
[08:34] <jargonfactory> thanks.
[08:35] <head_victim> No worries, http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-au/192/detail/ is where the agenda and etails are if you wanted a quick look over
[08:35] <head_victim> sagaci: you looked at the new meeting bot yet?
[08:41] <sagaci> yeah kinda, I know it existed, just haven't check out the new syntax, if any
[08:42] <head_victim> It's pretty much the same with more stuff added on top
[08:45] <sagaci> yep, so long as we have a working bot
[08:46] <head_victim> Yeah this way we should actually get the logs
[08:48] <sagaci> looks to be a quick meeting tonight anyhow
[08:49] <head_victim> Yep, not a bad thing every now and then.
[09:04] <gorilla> hi all.
[09:05] <head_victim> How goes gorilla
[09:05] <gorilla> not too badly... starting to settle into my new workplace.
[09:07] <head_victim> That's a good thing
[09:11] <gorilla> head_victim: true. The world of fiance/stockbroking is odd at times.
[09:12] <head_victim> Every niche market has it's oddities.
[09:13] <gorilla> yep. exactly.
[09:15]  * gorilla is a little amazed.. reported a couple of spamming yahoo groups and received a form receipt.. Now get a survey request from yahoo on their customer service :-/ strange!
[09:16] <head_victim> WB Johnny_Giggles
[09:17] <Johnny_Giggles> thanks
[09:22] <sagaci> bit over half an hour
[09:37] <tom_a_sparks> hello
[09:38] <head_victim> Evening
[09:40] <tom_a_sparks> how long to go to the meeting?
[09:42] <head_victim> About 15 minutes or so
[09:43] <tom_a_sparks> yay
[09:51] <gorilla> 10 minutes...
[09:52] <head_victim> And no sign of jaddi :D
[09:53] <sagaci> he'll be here
[09:54] <gorilla> making grand entrance? :-)
[09:55] <sagaci> with limo IRC
[09:56] <head_victim> Hah
[09:59] <jaddi27> hi everyone
[09:59] <fabricator4> Hi
[09:59] <tom_a_sparks> hi
[10:00] <fabricator4> Ding  :-)
[10:00] <tom_a_sparks> Dong :)
[10:00] <jaddi27> ok.just let me work out the new syntax for the meeting
[10:01] <jaddi27> #startmeeting UbuntuAu Sept 2011
[10:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Sun Sep 11 10:01:05 2011 UTC.  The chair is jaddi27. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
[10:01] <meetingology> Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired
[10:01] <jaddi27> Welcome everyone to the September meeting for UbuntuAu
[10:02] <jaddi27> Please excuse me if the meeting progresses a bit slower than usual, as it is the first time using meetingology for meeting minutes
[10:02] <head_victim> Evening all
[10:02] <fabricator4> Evening
[10:02] <head_victim> jaddi27: no worries, it looks like it's the same as the old one with just a bunch of stuff added.
[10:03] <sagaci> o/
[10:03] <gorilla> yay.. superset is always helpful!
[10:03] <jaddi27> #topic Roll Call
[10:03] <tom_a_sparks> here
[10:03] <fabricator4> Here
[10:03] <gorilla> here
[10:03] <jaddi27> Please everyone say hello if you haven't already done so
[10:03] <sagaci> ello
[10:03] <head_victim> Or you can just lurk :)
[10:03] <sagaci> #lurk
[10:04] <fabricator4> :-)
[10:04] <gorilla> are "ello"s acceptable?
[10:04] <fabricator4> Only in the moaning
[10:04] <head_victim> gorilla: it's just it only logs attendance of people who say something so anything is really fine
[10:06] <head_victim> Hah he's gone
[10:06] <fabricator4> Ooops
[10:06] <head_victim> Too mucuh excitment
[10:06] <fabricator4> :-)
[10:06] <tom_a_sparks> ha
[10:06] <head_victim> jaddi27: welcome back
[10:06] <jaddi27> Xchat froze completely for the first time ever
[10:07] <jaddi27> great time for it to do it
[10:07] <jaddi27> so, do i start the meeting again?
[10:07] <head_victim> Hmmm
[10:07] <head_victim> Maybe try a topic and see if it's still going
[10:07] <jaddi27> #topic Release Party Updates
[10:08] <jaddi27> it is hard to tell if it is still working - I don't get notifications like you did with mootbot
[10:08] <fabricator4> Hah  :-(  Not working?
[10:08] <jaddi27> I will start again
[10:09] <jaddi27> #startmeeting UbuntuAu Sept 2011
[10:09] <meetingology> jaddi27: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.
[10:09] <fabricator4> :-)
[10:09] <jaddi27> ok. it is running
[10:09] <head_victim> Try an endmeeting
[10:09] <jaddi27> #endmeeting
[10:09] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sun Sep 11 10:09:28 2011 UTC.
[10:09] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-au/2011/ubuntu-au.2011-09-11-10.01.moin.txt
[10:09] <gorilla> heh.. no you will not!
[10:09] <head_victim> Ah so it still had you as chair :/
[10:09] <head_victim> Least we know
[10:09] <jaddi27> Yes, good to know for future reference
[10:10] <jaddi27> Lets begin again
[10:10] <head_victim> Sorry all, we're still learning
[10:10] <sagaci> Ok bye everyone
[10:10] <sagaci> :P
[10:10] <jaddi27> #startmeeting UbuntuAu Sept 2011
[10:10] <meetingology> Meeting started Sun Sep 11 10:10:16 2011 UTC.  The chair is jaddi27. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
[10:10] <meetingology> Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired
[10:10] <head_victim> Round 2!
[10:10] <jaddi27> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-au/192/detail/
[10:10] <jaddi27> That is where the meeting info can be found
[10:10] <jaddi27> #topic Roll Call
[10:10] <tom_a_sparks> here again
[10:10] <gorilla> still here!
[10:10] <fabricator4> Here
[10:11] <jargonfactory> hi
[10:11] <jaddi27> good to hear
[10:11] <jaddi27> #topic Release Party Updates
[10:12] <jaddi27> Our first main topic tonight - upcoming release parties for Oneiric
[10:13] <tom_a_sparks> strange name
[10:13] <jaddi27> Who would like to start off?
[10:13] <head_victim> Yep well I"ll start with Brisbane
[10:13] <head_victim> I'm thinking we do a social event on the sat or sun and then do the installfest a month or so later
[10:14] <jaddi27> oneiric: Of or relating to dreams or dreaming
[10:14] <head_victim> Looking into it the installfest will be at least half a day in itself
[10:14] <tom_a_sparks> jaddi27: ok
[10:15] <fabricator4> Sounds OK.  Any ideas for the venue for the social?
[10:15] <sagaci> I've set an event for Sydney, holding it about a week prior to the Thursday it's released. It's not an installfest or anything quite technical, just a celebration over the oneiric cycle in what we've done and to enjoy the afternoon. Hoping to get a few from around the Sydney suburbs
[10:15] <head_victim> Well people seemed to like the breakky creak hotel so was going to default to there unless someothing better came up
[10:15] <fabricator4> That seems fine.  What the parking like?  (pretty bad as I remember...)
[10:16] <head_victim> Ah ok I hadn't been there before
[10:16] <jargonfactory> sagaci: thanks. i'll try to visit if time permits.
[10:16] <jargonfactory> s/visit/join/
[10:16] <fabricator4> Are we talking Sat or Sun here?
[10:16] <tom_a_sparks> ha ha jaddi27 disconects again
[10:17] <jaddi27> that time was not xchat
[10:17] <jaddi27> not working well
[10:17] <sagaci> jargonfactory, yeah pop in for a while if you can. I'll be around for a few hours so whoever turns up can have afternoon tea/coffee, etc
[10:17] <head_victim> fabricator4: open to suggestion
[10:17] <jargonfactory> sagaci: sounds good.
[10:17] <fabricator4> Saturday lunch would suit.  I'll probably be working in Virginia until 11:30, so just a hop down the road.
[10:18] <jaddi27> #chair sagaci head_victim jaddi27
[10:18] <meetingology> Current chairs: head_victim jaddi27 sagaci
[10:18] <head_victim> Hah that's one way around it :)
[10:18] <jaddi27> just in case I disconnect again
[10:19] <tom_a_sparks> :)
[10:19] <jaddi27> Ok. Are there any more discussions regarding the Oneiric release parties?
[10:19] <head_victim> fabricator4: cool I'll shoot something to the list, please respond and we'll organise it
[10:19] <fabricator4> OK, will do
[10:19] <sagaci> I'll pass an email to the mailing list too about the Sydney release party
[10:20] <head_victim> I've seen a couple of questinos about Melbourne. Anyone here from down there?
[10:20] <jaddi27> #action head_victim to email list about Brisbane release party
[10:20] <meetingology> ACTION: head_victim to email list about Brisbane release party
[10:20] <gorilla> head_victim: I'm in MEL
[10:20] <jaddi27> #action sagaci to email list about Sydney release party
[10:20] <meetingology> ACTION: sagaci to email list about Sydney release party
[10:20] <head_victim> gorilla: intersted in running a release party?
[10:20] <fabricator4> Benny was asking, but he's not here tonight.
[10:21] <head_victim> There was also a question on FaceBook
[10:21] <gorilla> I could just nominate a venue.. I'm a little pressed for time atm.. change of job and the like.
[10:21] <head_victim> gorilla: no worries. Even just getting some talk on the list about it would help
[10:22] <gorilla> okay.. I'll suggest it again on the list.
[10:22] <jaddi27> #idea gorilla to email list about Melbourne release party
[10:23] <jaddi27> Ready to move on to the next topic?
[10:23] <head_victim> No other cities here?
[10:24] <head_victim> Eastern seaboard it is :)
[10:25] <jaddi27> #topic Translations Drive
[10:25] <jaddi27> sagaci can lead this off, I think
[10:26] <jaddi27> 21.42% of oneiric is left to translate now
[10:26] <jaddi27> sorry, 29.42%
[10:26] <head_victim> I for one am thoroughly impressed with how much has been accomplished in this area
[10:27] <jaddi27> I am in the process of generating a graph showing the progress of translations
[10:27] <sagaci> Anyway, it's getting to the latter part of the release cycle for oneiric, over the packaging an importing and onto the bugs and translations side of development
[10:27] <sagaci> it's up to around ~70% complete, so it's definitely within reach to get this done by 12.04 LTS
[10:27] <sagaci> if you have any time at all to donate towards translating into en_AU, please have a look into translating even some of the smaller packages - it does help a lot
[10:28] <jaddi27> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+lang/en_AU/+index
[10:28] <head_victim> Yeah, 12.04 is a realistic goal. If you have an afternoon spare here and there just post to the list saying oyu'll be around if people want to join the translation effort. Have minijams
[10:28] <sagaci> we need to have most of the work done by december/january due to "proof-reading" and triaging older strings that need to be changed - think wastebin/trash
[10:28] <jaddi27> The translation jam last weekend went well, with at least 3000 strings being translated
[10:30] <sagaci> I've also set up an question on answers.launchpad to add a mailing list for the group. I've tried to email Isopogon in ref: to this but haven't had a response.. may be inactive. It would be good to join both Ubuntu/Launchpad teams to have a unified effort on translations and to update group policy and publish team blueprints
[10:30] <sagaci> link incoming..
[10:31] <sagaci> #link https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/170787
[10:32] <sagaci> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/170787
[10:32] <sagaci> not sure if that's registered but anyway...
[10:32] <head_victim> Yeah it's a bit odd, in other channels it's been a bit more chatty
[10:32] <jaddi27> I think it has registered, but the new system does not show everything that has happened like the old system
[10:33] <sagaci> just to add
[10:34] <sagaci> ubuntu is pretty much done, kubuntu and some command-line, packaging utilities are to be completed, so if you run vanilla ubuntu 11.10, it should be customised to honour the English language at its maximised potential
[10:35] <sagaci> that's the end of my dialogue
[10:35] <jaddi27> You will notice a few inconsistencies still, as mentioned previously, such as Trash, Rubbish Bin, etc
[10:36] <jaddi27> I would also like to say thanks to sagaci for doing so much work on this over the past few months
[10:36] <jaddi27> #topic Team Approval Update
[10:36] <jaddi27> head_victim, I will pass over to you
[10:37] <head_victim> Ok, I'm sorry this has taken so long. I was told the bug approval method was just as effecient as the meeting sort
[10:37] <head_victim> I have been slowly making progress and I've answered a few questions from the council but no set date of when I'll know either way (and then be able to pass on to you all)
[10:38] <head_victim> I'm still hassling them on a regular basis though
[10:38] <jaddi27> Thanks for the update. Is there anything that we can do to assist with the process?
[10:39] <sagaci> #fakeidea spam #ubuntu-locos
[10:39] <head_victim> Not that I can think of really
[10:39] <head_victim> I'd like to see people raise the ideas of sei regular social gatherings at the release parties. Ubuntu Hours are always something I've tried to start around here.
[10:39] <head_victim> semi*
[10:40] <sagaci> I can do one once every three months in Sydney, awaiting demand
[10:40] <sagaci> 2 releases, a winter one and in december, "sprints", if you like
[10:41] <head_victim> I'll working on promotion so I can get into a 9-5 and be able to organise a brisbane one
[10:41] <sagaci> head_victim, should be putting your release party on loco.u.c, even if it isn't concrete yet
[10:42] <head_victim> Yep, only a month away
[10:45] <jaddi27> Are there any more topics for tonight's meeting?
[10:45] <sagaci> Umm, I was going to defer to the mailing list but it seems that the blueprint for localisation will be real and in full flight by 12.04 LTS
[10:46] <jaddi27> #topic Ubuntu Localisation
[10:46] <head_victim> Is there a launchpad blueprint for that?
[10:46] <sagaci> yep
[10:46] <sagaci> one sec
[10:46] <jaddi27> What is involved with localisation
[10:46] <sagaci> jaddi27, translations, default wallpaper, bookmarks, documentation, etc
[10:46] <jaddi27> Ok. Thought it might be that
[10:47] <sagaci> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-cd-localization
[10:47] <sagaci> it's pretty primitive at the moment but it should have more options in the next release
[10:48] <sagaci> personally, I think it should be added to the ubiquity installer but it depends on the amount of changes and various other things
[10:48] <head_victim> Nice, should definitely take that to the list. We can organise to get a background pack together for the artistic types to contribute to.
[10:48] <sagaci> but yet you'll still be able to install/download "regular" ubuntu without everything else added on, if you wish
[10:50] <sagaci> we talked about this briefly last meeting but it's full effect won't be felt/realised until we customise and build/use the isos to see how local ubuntu can get
[10:50] <sagaci> that is all
[10:50] <jaddi27> I think we should set up a wiki page with customisation thoughts for the local version
[10:50] <sagaci> its*
[10:50] <sagaci> great, action please!
[10:51] <tom_a_sparks> second it :)
[10:51] <sagaci> #action ubuntu-au to set up a wiki page with customisation thoughts for the local version
[10:51] <meetingology> ACTION: ubuntu-au to set up a wiki page with customisation thoughts for the local version
[10:51] <head_victim> I think there was a wiki page set up a long time ago for localisation hooked into the translation team
[10:52] <head_victim> I'll try and dig it up later
[10:52] <sagaci> yep, saw that
[10:52] <jaddi27> That would be good
[10:52] <jaddi27> head_victim, What is the latest with the new UbuntuAu Mission Statement
[10:53] <fabricator4> Yes, we had a brief discussion on the list.
[10:53] <head_victim> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/MissionStatement
[10:54] <head_victim> If you look right down the bottom, that's pretty much where I'm happy, what do other people think?
[10:54] <head_victim> "Version 3"
[10:54] <jaddi27> I think it looks good. The only thing I was wondering about was the word 'therefore' in the second sentence
[10:56] <head_victim> Cheer,s I'm hoping we're approaching the final iteration of it soon.
[10:56] <fabricator4> It seems to have gone from the the specific, back in the direction of the esoteric?
[10:56] <sagaci> catching up to Chrome versioning
[10:57] <fabricator4> _Sounds_ good though.  :-)
[10:57] <head_victim> fabricator4: I checked the original and it didn't seem to vary too much, just spread out more
[10:58] <sagaci> head_victim, like Australia :)
[10:58] <fabricator4> Yes, fair enough.
[10:58] <head_victim> I meant to shoot it to the list after some discussion with kyphi but just never made it this week yet
[10:59] <jaddi27> #idea head_victim to update the list with update on UbuntuAu Mission Statement
[11:00] <jaddi27> Well, is there anything else for tonight's meeting?
[11:00] <jaddi27> I think we have got through a fair bit considering the number of agenda items
[11:01] <tom_a_sparks> there was something about documenting events on youtube
[11:02] <jaddi27> Yes, that was brought up at the last meeting I think
[11:02] <jaddi27> I don't think anything has been done towards this yet, but maybe we can get something started soon.
[11:03] <jaddi27> Is there someone who would like to take charge of starting this off?
[11:04] <head_victim> Again, I looked into it but couldn't work it out because YouTUbe appear to be shutting down the Groups section
[11:04] <tom_a_sparks> i'm welling to bouce some ideas of somebody else
[11:05] <tom_a_sparks> there are other video hosters
[11:06] <jaddi27> Ok. tom_a_sparks, would you like to coordinate this? I am also happy to help out
[11:06] <head_victim> Yeah but from what the discussion went none are as public and easy to find
[11:07] <tom_a_sparks> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_video_hosting_services
[11:07] <head_victim> I know some other Ubuntu folk use some for streaming I'll ask around
[11:09] <tom_a_sparks> I know ubuntu-screencasting use blip.tv
[11:09] <head_victim> Quite likely that's what I'm thinking of
[11:09] <head_victim> ustream was another
[11:10] <sagaci> justin.tv, et
[11:10] <sagaci> etc*
[11:11] <tom_a_sparks> or do we host the videos locally
[11:11] <jaddi27> I think instead of a youtube group, an account could be set up for UbuntuAu that will 'own' the videos for the group
[11:12] <sagaci> head_victim being the owner
[11:12] <head_victim> Ok, I can set it up from the mailing list owner email like the identica one is
[11:12] <head_victim> So that way anyone with moderation rights on the mailing list can action it
[11:12] <head_victim> So it's still "owned" by the team
[11:13] <jaddi27> That would be a good way, I think
[11:13] <sagaci> #info might be an idea to include multiple chairs for future disconnects/blackouts/etc
[11:14] <jaddi27> #action head_victim to set up an UbuntuAu youtube account for sharing videos useful to other Ubuntu users
[11:14] <meetingology> ACTION: head_victim to set up an UbuntuAu youtube account for sharing videos useful to other Ubuntu users
[11:14] <sagaci> have an allocated chair and one/two backups
[11:14] <jaddi27> sagaci, Yes, I will do that from now on. I am not sure how I managed to have 2 failures in one night
[11:14] <sagaci> should defer it to the mailing list - re: CC licensed material only?
[11:15] <head_victim> sagaci: that sounds fair, that's what the wiki is
[11:15] <jaddi27> Yes, that sounds like a good plan. Should limit the issues of copyright that way
[11:15] <head_victim> Makes it easier to remember if it's all the same
[11:15] <head_victim> Does youtube do streaming though?
[11:16] <sagaci> I know it does but I'm not so sure for individuals
[11:16] <tom_a_sparks> you mean lve video feeds?
[11:16] <sagaci> slug was streamed a month or two ago
[11:16] <head_victim> tom_a_sparks: yeah, some people wanted that ability to remotely participate in events
[11:17] <tom_a_sparks> you would be looking at a icecast server
[11:19] <tom_a_sparks> I've heard ustream.tv can do it
[11:19] <head_victim> Hmm, leaning towards using that for both then if it can do it
[11:20] <jaddi27> justin.tv can also do live streaming
[11:21] <jaddi27> It looks like ustream.tv is not free
[11:21] <sagaci> depends what you're doing it for and if you only want audio or video too
[11:22] <sagaci> video would be a pain, due to bandwidth pretty much anywhere in Aus
[11:22] <jaddi27> Yes, that is trus
[11:22] <jaddi27> *true
[11:23] <jaddi27> So maybe do youtube for now, and then investigate a live streaming service as well for the one off events we want to hold?
[11:23] <head_victim> Sounds good
[11:24] <jaddi27> #idea investigate live streaming services for future group events
[11:24] <sagaci> end of meeting?
[11:25] <jaddi27> As it is nearly 9:30pm, I think I will close
[11:25] <head_victim> Yeah it's starting to get that way
[11:25] <jaddi27> #endmeeting
[11:25] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sun Sep 11 11:25:07 2011 UTC.
[11:25] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-au/2011/ubuntu-au.2011-09-11-10.10.moin.txt
[11:25] <sagaci> log looks ok
[11:26] <jaddi27> Yes, it is much better formatting
[11:26] <jaddi27> The html version doesn't seem to work for me
[11:27] <head_victim> Sweet, so you two happy enough with the new bot after the first little hiccup?
[11:27] <jaddi27> Yes, it seems to work well
[11:28] <jaddi27> I like how is shows the actions
[11:29] <sagaci> summaries are good but I'd rather the info double up in the chat, so you know it has gone through, just a personal preference
[11:30] <jaddi27> Yes, that is true
[11:31] <jaddi27> I think it is supposed to do private messaging in the future, but it hasn't been implemented yet
[11:31] <jaddi27> I will create the next meeting on l.u.c
[11:33] <jaddi27> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-au/212/detail/
[11:35] <jaddi27> sagaci, I have put you down as chair
[11:36] <sagaci> yep, and I'll chair head_victim jaddi27 for next meeting when we start
[11:36] <jaddi27> Ok, sounds good
[11:36] <head_victim> No worries
[11:36] <head_victim> Sunday 9th
[11:37] <head_victim> I'll actually be available again
[11:39] <sagaci> head_victim, note to self, click agenda item then select delete agenda item to delete it!
[11:39] <head_victim> Hah nice work
[11:39] <sagaci> in re: Aug meeting
[11:39] <head_victim> Well I have to be awake at 4am again so I should head off
[11:39] <sagaci> righteo cya
[11:40] <jaddi27> head_victim, See you later
[11:40] <head_victim> Thanks for the work tonight. I'll work on my action items this week and mail the list accordingly. Look forward to hearing it all
[11:42]  * sagaci fixed Aug meeting clutter
[11:42] <head_victim> Cheers, Night all
[11:42] <fabricator4> Goodnight
[11:44] <sagaci> night
[11:56] <jaddi27> sagaci, Anything you would like me to do in relation to translating, loco, etc?
[11:58] <sagaci> not anything specific, I mean, I'd just like these 117,000 or so translations to just disappear
[11:59] <sagaci> ideally I'd like to administer the en_AU translations and link them to the launchpad ones... ideally :)
[11:59] <jaddi27> Ok. I will wave my wand, and it should be done by next year
[11:59] <jaddi27> I will have more time later in the week to help do more translating
[12:00] <sagaci> yep, I'd like to see us under 100,000 by release
[12:00] <sagaci> but that's still 100,000 we need to do by march next year
[12:00] <jaddi27> Yes, it is a lot
[12:00] <sagaci> I've been on a pretty good roll this week
[12:00] <jaddi27> Yes, you certainly have been
[12:01] <jaddi27> I really wanted to roll out my graphing script to show how well the translation effort is going
[12:01] <jaddi27> but I haven't had time to properly implement it
[12:02] <sagaci> yeah I was wishing I'd done something like that
[12:02] <sagaci> are you manually getting the data?
[12:04] <jaddi27> No, I have a regex script
[12:04] <jaddi27> So in a way is it manually getting the data
[12:05] <sagaci> ah ok, so it runs daily?
[12:07] <jaddi27> yes, it will in the end
[12:08] <sagaci> so will it do history or just when you finish it
[12:08] <jaddi27> It will only have data from when it is first turned on
[12:09] <jaddi27> so at the moment I might do manual data, until i have it finished
[12:11] <sagaci> i'm pretty busy this week too, I'll still be able to do 500 strings here and there but nothing like the 10,000+ I did this past week
[12:13] <jaddi27> Yes, that is understandable
[12:17] <sagaci> still doing a couple hundred strings on the chromium-browser package. I'm in a web-browser for a significant time so I like everything au-ed
[12:18] <jaddi27> It is good to see the translations filtering through into what we are using
[12:20] <sagaci> yeah head_victim has done upstream xchat but hasn't been able to get a response so far... and it isn't translatable in lp
[12:25] <jaddi27> That is annoying to hear
[12:25] <jaddi27> hopefully there will be some way to do it eventually
[12:28] <sagaci> well looking forward to the next couple of weeks, ubuntu-au reapproval, maybe and 12.04 adjective animal
[12:28] <sagaci> hopefully it's placid
[12:28] <sagaci> but I'm assuming it's going to be something more exotic
[12:29] <jaddi27> it will be interesting to see what they chose
[12:29] <jaddi27> when does it get announced?
[12:30] <sagaci> well karmic was in Jan 09, it's usually 2-3months out of the final release but oneiric was fairly late, it'll have to be done soon since oneiric is one month away
[12:32] <jaddi27> yes, that is true
[12:32] <sagaci> jaddi27, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+lang/en_AU/+index?batch=75&memo=675&start=675
[12:33] <sagaci> anything on that batch... I've just been mowing down pages of strings, it's a few thousand on there but a bit everynow and then helps
[12:34] <jaddi27> Ok. I will work on that when I have some spare time
[12:34] <jaddi27> I have also been doing gcc-4.6, so I will work on that also
[12:35] <jaddi27> I will be off now. When I have the graph working (or some data to view), I will let you know
[12:36] <sagaci> righteo, cya later
[12:36] <jaddi27> bye
[13:34] <democrezy> i am a new user .I install some updates from update manager in ubuntu 11.04 then software centre got disabled and also update manager was not responding.When i restarted ubuntu, keyboard was not detected and i had to reconnect keyboard cable.Then i reinstall ubuntu. Can anybody explain me what was the problem?


[05:04] <mborzecki> morning
[05:05] <mvo> hey mborzecki ! good morning
[05:06] <mborzecki> mvo: hey
[05:10] <mborzecki> mvo: can you also cherry pick https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7188 ?
[05:12] <mvo> mborzecki: sure thing
[05:12] <mborzecki> mvo: thanks
[05:12] <mvo> mborzecki: thank *you* and done
[05:14] <mborzecki> mvo: oh, and a PR to spread with workarounds for bash 4.3 is open https://github.com/snapcore/spread/pull/85
[05:14] <mborzecki> this will unblock https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7198
[05:14] <mvo> zyga: does 7194 look good now?
[05:15] <mvo> mborzecki: nice, let me have a look
[05:16] <mvo> mborzecki: do you have more background on 7192, i.e. why not just use curl in bin/download-file? or was this discussed already?
[05:17] <mborzecki> mvo: nope
[05:17] <mvo> mborzecki: thats fine, I asked in the PR
[05:57] <mvo> mborzecki: did you see the question of samuele in 7087?
[05:57] <mvo> mborzecki: this is super close otherwise it seems
[06:02] <mborzecki> mvo: yes, i'll be adding a unit test there
[06:07] <mborzecki> snapd on rhel8 https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Qdd9btRB6m/ :)
[06:10] <zyga> good morning
[06:11] <mborzecki> zyga: hey
[06:15]  * zyga is waking up
[06:19] <mborzecki> and lxd from snaps works on rhel8 too
[06:20] <mvo> mborzecki: nice
[06:30] <zyga> simple one https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7247
[06:30] <zyga> simple but not as trivial https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7248
[06:31] <zyga> mvo: I'd like to discuss this idea with you and Samuele today https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7205
[06:37] <zyga> ERROR: Conflicting profiles for /usr/lib/snapd/snap-confine defined in two files:
[06:37] <zyga> - /etc/apparmor.d/usr.lib.snapd.snap-confine
[06:37] <zyga> - /etc/apparmor.d/usr.lib.snapd.snap-confine.real
[06:37] <zyga> something is leaking .real vs plain profile
[06:40] <mborzecki> zyga: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7249 asked neal for a review too
[06:43] <zyga> +1
[06:45] <mvo> zyga: the conflicting profiles one I did see before
[06:46] <mvo> zyga: it seems random? or conistent?
[06:48] <zyga> I think it is deterministic if a pair of tests run in the right order
[06:48] <zyga> I’ll try to track it down
[06:50] <mvo> zyga: let me have a quick look, I have an idea
[07:07] <mvo> zyga: do you have a link to the log wit hthe conflicting profile? or remember on what distro release this happend?
[07:08] <pstolowski> morning
[07:09] <pedronis> hello
[07:10] <mvo> hey pstolowski and pedronis !
[07:15] <zyga> mvo: in a moment
[07:19] <mborzecki> pedronis: pstolowski: hey guys
[07:35] <mvo> 7250 will unbreak master
[07:46] <ondra> zyga ping
[07:46] <mvo> zyga: I have a theory about the snap-confine profile duplications, digging deeper right now
[08:07] <pedronis> mvo: zyga: either of you should do a pass over #7111 as well
[08:07] <ondra> zyga remember that update error we looked at, it seems to be persistent over reboots and pulling in PR #7248 did not change this
[08:10] <zyga> mvo: re, sorry, I had an interrupt at home
[08:10] <zyga> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/dU2IZcA2/
[08:10] <zyga> pedronis: looking at 7111 now
[08:11] <zyga> ondra: which one?
[08:11] <mvo> zyga: thanks! I am testing a possible fix right now
[08:11] <mvo> pedronis: thanks, will look at this
[08:11] <zyga> pstolowski: huh, I just saw this failure in unit tests
[08:11] <zyga> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/4BaGpA43/
[08:12] <pedronis> pstolowski: #7250 is probably something you can +1 quickly
[08:12] <pedronis> zyga: mvo has a PR for that
[08:13] <pstolowski> pedronis: looking
[08:21] <pedronis> mvo: I did  a pass on most 2.41 things, quite a few of them now need work from the authors though
[08:21] <pedronis> couple are from me and need more reviews
[08:22] <mvo> zyga: 7251 should fix the snap-confine duplicated profiles error (it seems this one was real :(
[08:28] <mborzecki> GpioControlInterfaceSuite.TestSanitizeSlot unit test failing locally here, does that happen for anybody else too?
[08:28] <mvo> mborzecki: there is a PR to fix this
[08:28] <mvo> mborzecki: 7250
[08:28] <mborzecki> mvo: thx
[08:29] <mvo> sry, too much got merged in a short time
[08:30] <ondra> zyga or is that wrong PR I used?
[08:30] <ondra> zyga was it #7205?
[08:33] <pedronis> mvo: 7251 is a bit :(
[08:34] <mvo> pedronis: yes, its pretty terrible
[08:34] <mvo> pedronis: this is a bug for ages :(
[08:35] <pedronis> looks like we fix this many times but never tested properly?
[08:35] <pedronis> or am I missing something
[08:36] <ondra> zyga sorry I tested with #7205
[08:38] <mborzecki> duh, spread tests failed in 7250 :/
[08:38] <mvo> pedronis: yes, it looks like this was lacking a proper test
[08:39] <mborzecki> and restarted now
[08:39] <ondra> zyga here is the error https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZMBh53Tqdp/
[08:40] <ondra> zyga sorry I had to scramble snap names
[08:40] <jamesh> there's something to be said for having a bot perform the actual merges to master
[08:40] <jamesh> to avoid these race conditions
[08:46] <zyga> ondra: ah, I remember now, I'm debugging it already
[08:46] <zyga> ondra: it was re-reported yesterday in the public
[08:46] <ondra> zyga ah cool
[08:47] <ondra> zyga anything more I can provide?
[08:47] <zyga> ondra: track https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1808821 for updates
[08:48] <pstolowski> mborzecki: what failed with 7250?
[08:51] <zyga> mvo: *nice*
[08:51] <zyga> mvo: so the maintainer script was always buggy?!
[08:54] <mborzecki> pstolowski: timeout accessing the store api
[08:54] <pstolowski> mborzecki: right..
[09:02] <mvo> zyga: yes, it looks like it :(
[09:02] <zyga> mvo: amazing
[09:02] <zyga> thank you for finding it
[09:03] <mvo> zyga: thanks, I was a bit depressed when I discovered it
[09:04] <zyga> in other news, debian packaging is easy
[09:04] <mvo> haha
[09:04]  * zyga resumes system-usernames review
[09:10] <pstolowski> zyga: lol
[09:11] <pstolowski> @debian packaging
[09:11] <mborzecki> Eighth_Doctor: updated the rhel8 PR
[09:11] <pstolowski> fingers crossed for 7250
[09:11] <Eighth_Doctor> uhh, yeah, no, debian packaging sucks
[09:12] <Eighth_Doctor> the thing that makes it "easy" is that there's only a single distribution to worry about
[09:12] <Eighth_Doctor> but the actual packaging mechanism? holy crap, someone should burn it with fire
[09:13] <zyga> Eighth_Doctor: that's what I meant :D
[09:13] <zyga> Eighth_Doctor: it's not easy at all
[09:13] <mborzecki> Eighth_Doctor: slackware packaging is obviously superior :)
[09:13] <Eighth_Doctor> ...
[09:13] <zyga> I miss those days
[09:13] <zyga> when you had floppy disks
[09:13] <zyga> with nice graphical installers
[09:13] <Eighth_Doctor> I think we can all agree that scripts suck
[09:13] <zyga> that copied the three files in a few minutes
[09:13] <Eighth_Doctor> haha
[09:13] <zyga> or those floppies that still had dozen programs on them
[09:14] <zyga> but those days are gone
[09:14] <Eighth_Doctor> yep... Red Hat Linux days where you could find about 1/10 of the distro on a single floppy
[09:14] <Eighth_Doctor> that's pretty much gone :(
[09:14] <Eighth_Doctor> I haven't seen a package in a while that would fit on a floppy
[09:15] <zyga> Eighth_Doctor: but on the upside, 8bit/16bit programming is re-surging in its own niche
[09:15] <zyga> not just in artwork style but in actual 64K programs
[09:15] <Eighth_Doctor> well, I had fun doing stuff like that when I was part of the Sonic scene
[09:15] <mborzecki> Eighth_Doctor: 3.5'' floppies could fit a bit, 5.25 were more fun
[09:15] <zyga> as things one can do in limited environment are on equal footing with everyone else
[09:16] <zyga> Eighth_Doctor: I have a *box* of unopened floppies on a shelf here
[09:16] <zyga> I had a USB 3.5 floppy drive but I think it was tossed a few years back
[09:17] <zyga> it did work though :)
[09:17] <Eighth_Doctor> I still have the USB floppy drive
[09:17] <zyga> I would love to find it
[09:17] <zyga> go with my 15"MBP to a cafeteria
[09:17] <zyga> and use floppy disks, while looking after my beard ;D
[09:17] <zyga> ok, back to reviews
[09:20] <Eighth_Doctor> and I had to open the box of floppies I had for a thing... https://twitter.com/austinmcchord/status/646113834198003712
[09:21] <Eighth_Doctor> hooking up that old 386 laptop to the internet was an... interesting experience
[09:31] <pedronis> pstolowski: does the new suggestion in #7209 make sense?
[09:35] <Chipaca> is master broken right now? I'm getting a unit test failure in master: FAIL: gpio_control_test.go:67: GpioControlInterfaceSuite.TestSanitizeSlot
[09:35] <pstolowski> pedronis: yes, i like that (not that i didn't like the first suggestion)
[09:35] <Chipaca> or is it a govendor thing
[09:35] <pstolowski> Chipaca: yes, 7250 fixes it
[09:35] <Chipaca> ah
[09:46] <mborzecki> pstolowski: left some comments under https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7005
[09:46] <pstolowski> mborzecki: yep just looking, thanks
[09:46] <mborzecki> pstolowski: unit tests in that PR are failing on travis
[09:46] <mborzecki> pstolowski: ah, because of the gpio unit test, ok, that's fine then
[10:10] <zyga> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7250 is yellow
[10:10] <zyga> pedronis: I reviewed jamie's branch, resuming work on bugfixes from yesterday
[10:11] <pedronis> zyga: thank you
[10:22] <Chipaca> hmm, 7250 at 45' already
[10:22] <Chipaca> t'internets are extra slow?
[10:26] <zyga> hmmmm
[10:26]  * zyga debugged and needs to think about how to solve it
[10:26] <zyga> I think it's time for coffee to think
[10:26] <zyga> brb
[10:26] <zyga> if this was an office I'd offer you some
[10:26] <zyga> you can always come and visit tho :)
[10:29] <pstolowski> ..aaaand 7250 failed
[10:29] <zyga> mvo: can you use your superpowers
[10:29] <zyga> and merge it?
[10:30] <zyga> I think we're just wasting time now
[10:30] <pstolowski> +1
[10:30] <mborzecki> heh, so i'm looking at the log
[10:31] <mborzecki> it failed early, preparing ubuntu-16.04-32 host, but it ran the other tests anyway
[10:31] <zyga> why did xenial 32bit fail?
[10:32] <mborzecki> zyga: kill timeout, last log was +gdebi --quiet --apt-line ./debian/control
[10:34] <pstolowski> we should really make spread fail asap
[10:35] <mborzecki> pstolowski: i guess it depends on the phase, eg. failing early in project prepare sounds ok, but aborting the whole run when a task prepare fails is not useful
[10:35] <zyga> mborzecki: I think it is
[10:35] <zyga> it's not useful anyway
[10:35] <zyga> you can run spread all you like locally
[10:35] <zyga> but in travis, it's just wasting the time shared across the team
[10:36] <mvo> zyga: sure, will do
[10:36] <mvo> merged
[10:36] <zyga> thanks!
[10:46] <pedronis> pstolowski: mvo: I mentioned in https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/behavior-change-risk-only-channel-specifications-will-not-switch-track/11769/3 that it has landed for 2.41 , it should probably be linked from the roadmap
[10:48] <pstolowski> pedronis: ah, i need to prepare a followup for snap info to report latest/.., it needs to land too
[10:55] <cachio> mvo, hey
[11:01]  * pstolowski lunch
[11:05] <zyga> mborzecki: what was that magic randomness thing you used in the past?
[11:05] <zyga> that package to get
[11:05] <mborzecki> zyga: haveged?
[11:05] <zyga> yep, thanks
[11:39] <zyga> yesss
[11:46] <zyga> two layout bugs fixed
[11:46] <zyga> that's neat :)
[11:46]  * zyga is happy today
[11:47] <zyga> ondra: I think this includes a bug you reported now
[11:59] <zyga> fired spread, writing proper docs and more unit tests
[12:03] <zyga> brb
[12:14] <Chipaca> zyga: is that two layout bugs that diddledan caused?
[12:15] <diddledan> hello :-)
[12:15] <diddledan> I should stop breaking things :-p
[12:15] <zyga> Chipaca: yeah, those :)
[12:16] <zyga> diddledan: the snap you reported, two bugs working in tandem :)
[12:16] <diddledan> nice
[12:16] <zyga> though either one is crippling
[12:16] <diddledan> obscure, but nice
[12:17] <diddledan> well done for getting them fixed :-)
[12:18] <diddledan> I presume the fixed code will land in 2.41
[12:21] <Chipaca> diddledan: hahahaha! landing. Ha.
[12:29] <diddledan> I want 2.41 already for other reasons, too :-) (makemkv should finally be able to be strictly confined in 2.41)
[12:47] <pedronis> #7130 needs a 2nd review, #7131 should also be reviewable now
[12:49] <cmatsuoka> ondra: do you know if one can chainboot grub from littlekernel?
[12:53] <ondra> cmatsuoka yes and no, in theory you can chain load grub from lk, but that would assume there is grub supported on that hw, and if that would be the case, one would use grub instead
[12:54] <ondra> zyga good times! if you give me PRs I can test this right aways, as we are still using custom snapd anyway
[12:54] <zyga> ondra: in 5 minutes, adding last unit test
[12:54] <ondra> zyga sure thing :)
[12:54] <Chipaca> pedronis: does we never have a model on classic?
[12:55] <pedronis> Chipaca: we do
[12:56] <Chipaca> hmm
[12:56] <pedronis> always actually these days
[12:56] <ijohnson> morning folks
[12:56] <pedronis> because we carry a fallback
[12:57] <pedronis> Chipaca: is that about your work? or one of my PRs?
[12:57] <Chipaca> pedronis: 7130
[12:58] <pedronis> we do have models on classic if we first boot at all
[12:58] <pedronis> yes
[12:59] <zyga> ondra: opening now
[12:59] <Chipaca> pedronis: commented there
[13:00] <pedronis> Chipaca: classic: true and base != "" is prohibitied
[13:00] <Chipaca> ahhhhh
[13:00] <pedronis> that at the level of assertions
[13:00] <ondra> zyga nice!
[13:00] <Chipaca> pedronis: how likely is that to change?
[13:00] <pedronis> very unlikely if it's up to me
[13:01] <pedronis> base: means a root fs base
[13:01] <pedronis> there is no such thing on classic
[13:01] <pedronis> the root fs comes from the host
[13:01] <Chipaca> right
[13:08] <zyga> ondra: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7254
[13:08] <zyga> diddledan: ^
[13:09] <zyga> ondra: I'd love to know if this really does help you out
[13:10] <zyga> ondra: so if you test this against your systems please let me know (either way)
[13:12] <ondra> zyga yeah I will do it right now and let you know
[13:13] <cmatsuoka> ondra: so to run core20 on e.g. the speaker all the dual-bootloader strategy would have to be bypassed and run LK instead, is that correct?
[13:32] <ondra> cmatsuoka yep, with lk we can only use bootloader->kernel path
[13:33] <ondra> cmatsuoka I know u-boot can chain boot, but I have not done it before
[13:34] <ondra> cmatsuoka also be aware of some systems like Pi3, where pre u-boot bootloader constructs dtb, which does limit what you can do within u-boot
[13:34] <ondra> cmatsuoka you are essentially committing to kernel version before u-boot is even loaded
[13:35] <ogra> chainloading uboot from uboot is gambling .... it only works if both binaries come from identical source etc
[13:36] <ondra> cmatsuoka example, you current kernel version is 4.15, chain loading into recovery system with 4.4 kernel will not boot, as early stage broadcom bootloader already constructed DTB for 4.15 kernel
[13:36] <ondra> ondra and on Pi3, pre u-boot constructed DTB adds additional complication
[13:37] <ondra> ogra hope you still have highlight on ondra, to make communication easier :P
[13:37] <ogra> note that you *can* actually just load a different dtb from u-boot even on the Pi ... but you lose some bits that might be important for users (like the serial number that is used for paid mp2 codecs on that HW)
[13:38] <ogra> ondra, ping :P
[13:38] <ogra> yeah, still works :P
[13:38] <ondra> ogra lol
[13:38] <zyga> ondra: tell me if it works please, I'm hyped to know
[13:38] <ondra> ogra yeah you can overide it of course
[13:39] <ondra> zyga building :)
[13:39] <ogra> right ... but the proprietary BL seeds some bits artificially into the devicetree in ram ... you can even read them out and then re-inject them into the new loaded dtb
[13:39] <ogra> but thats a hell lot of scriptery
[13:39] <ogra> and likely very error prone in the end
[13:42] <joeubuntu> This week jdstrand is on the Ubuntu Security Podcast talking about snap security if you want to give it a listen: https://ubuntusecuritypodcast.org/episode-42/
[13:43] <jdstrand> hope it's good!
[13:43] <ondra> ogra remember I do have solution for this as well :)
[13:43] <ogra> hacks hacks hacks :)
[13:43] <ondra> ogra but you know how that story ended :P
[13:43] <ogra> yeah
[13:43] <ondra> ogra you call me hacker??????? Careful :P
[13:43] <ogra> lol
[13:44] <jdstrand> mvo: fyi, seeing that the snapd-master snap is failing review due to external symlink
[13:44] <ondra> zyga still 20mins to build :(
[13:44] <jdstrand> mvo: hi btw :)
[13:44] <zyga> ondra: 20 minutes? ok
[13:44] <roadmr> you hax0r you
[13:44] <ondra> but will test as soon as built
[13:44] <zyga> jdstrand: external symlink?
[13:44] <ondra> zyga yeah building in lp
[13:45] <ogra> jdstrand, btw, did you see abeato's comment wrt screen/tmux yesterday ... seems he actually has a pressing use-case for picking screen (bluetooth initialization and debugging as well as GSM modems)
[13:47] <jdstrand> ogra: I did. thought bluetooth initialization suggests a snap trying to use it. maybe that would be in the gadget... another reason to have it in core
[13:47] <jdstrand> s/thought/though/
[13:48] <ondra> zyga trying local build on my arm now as well, but not sure if it will build as I have snapcraft from snap
[13:49] <popey_> joeubuntu: ooh! I'll share it on our social channels
[13:51] <joeubuntu> Thanks popey_ !
[13:52] <ogra> jdstrand, yeah, i think it was more about debugging BT stuff via AT commands (which you need to do via "virtual" serial device)
[13:53] <ogra> i guess alfonso can explain it better ...
[13:54] <jdstrand> popey_: perhaps listen to it first? ;)
[13:54] <popey_> lets say i did
[13:54] <roadmr> AT commands!!!!
[13:55] <ogra> the predecessor of everything internet !
[13:56] <mvo> jdstrand: hi! oh? I need to check that
[13:56] <mvo> jdstrand: thanks for letting me know
[13:56] <jdstrand> np
[13:56] <abeato> jdstrand, ogra well, I was just pointing out that I do use screen for that sort of stuff quite often. If I had to choose between tmux and screen I would prefer the former because of that additional funcionality
[13:56] <abeato> but I also understand is not such a usual use case :)
[13:57] <ogra> like mine ... (talking to addon boards via serial during development/debugging ... yet i think it is a usual use-case for embedded stuff)
[13:58] <ogra> oh ah uh !
[13:58] <ogra> there is a tool from the rpi foundation that loows loading overlays from userspace now !!
[13:58] <ogra> https://github.com/raspberrypi/userland/tree/master/host_applications/linux/apps/dtoverlay
[13:58] <ogra> *allows
[13:59] <ondra> zyga yep with snap from snapcraft it fails with missing '/etc/apt/trusted.gpg'
[13:59] <ondra> zyga so 10 minutes to go in lp
[13:59] <jdstrand> zyga: yes, snap squashfs aren't allowed to have dangling symlinks pointing outside of the snap areas
[14:07] <zyga> jdstrand: ahh
[14:09] <abeato> s/former/later/
[14:10]  * zyga broke for quick lunch
[14:21] <Saviq> zyga: hey, when back, is it now safe to go core16 → core18 in a snap?
[14:23] <diddledan> it wasn't before?
[14:29] <zyga> Saviq: in 2.40, yes
[14:29] <zyga> Saviq: some small issues remain but nothing major
[14:30] <Saviq> w00t
[14:30] <pstolowski> mborzecki, zyga: since you commented on #7081 some time ago, can you take another look at it?
[14:30] <zyga> pstolowski: sure
[14:36] <mborzecki> pstolowski: at, the MarkEdge bit
[14:37] <pstolowski> mborzecki: what about it?
[14:37] <mborzecki> pstolowski: 7081
[14:38] <ondra> zyga hmmmm
[14:38] <ondra> zyga did not fix it
[14:39] <ondra> zyga rebooting to double check
[14:40] <pstolowski> mborzecki: ? any problem there?
[14:40] <ondra> zyga ha, after reboot it worked
[14:41] <cachio> mvo, hey
[14:42] <cachio> I see this error -> iptables: match "tcp" has version "libxtables.so.11", but "libxtables.so.12" is required
[14:42] <cachio> I have libxtables.so.12 in the snap lib
[14:42] <cachio> but it iptables snap is using the lib from the core snap
[14:42] <cachio> I suppose that a dependency in the core is using this lib
[14:43] <mvo> cachio: that is core or core18?
[14:43] <cachio> mvo, core
[14:43] <cachio> not tested on core18 yet
[14:43] <cachio> mvo, should I?
[14:43] <mvo> cachio: ok - does fiddling with LD_LIBRARY_PATH help?
[14:43] <mvo> cachio: i.e. making sure that the snap path is before the system lib path?
[14:44] <cachio> mvo, is not by default?
[14:44] <cachio> ok
[14:44] <cachio> I'll try tht
[14:44] <cachio> :)
[14:44] <diddledan> snapd doesn't set LD_LIBRARY_PATH by default
[14:44] <diddledan> IIRC
[14:45] <diddledan> if you have libraries you need to set them :-)
[14:45] <diddledan> it might actually to $SNAP/usr/lib thinking about it but subfolders need to be added manually
[14:45] <cachio> diddledan, ok, yes the rest of the libs are being used from the snap
[14:46] <diddledan> do*
[14:46] <cachio> but I think in this case it is getting the core ones because the caller is the core
[14:46] <pedronis> jdstrand: I did a pass on the snap_daemon first couple of PRs (cc mvo)
[14:47] <mborzecki> pstolowski: btw. i'm thinking, the edge markings can be done always, can't they?
[14:48] <cachio> diddledan, I see the wrapper with export LD_LIBRARY_PATH="$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:$SNAP/lib:$SNAP/usr/lib:$SNAP/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu:$SNAP/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu"
[14:48] <cachio> I think the problem with this lib is that is also included in the core snap
[14:48] <diddledan> that should cover it then
[14:48] <cachio> the others dont
[14:49] <pstolowski> mborzecki: yeah.. but what do you mean?
[14:49] <cachio> mvo, diddledan thanks for your replies
[14:49] <cachio> it should be easy to fix
[14:50] <abeato> zyga, hey, could you retrigger the tests for https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7173 ? - that one should be ready for merging once they pass :)
[15:05] <zyga> sure
[15:13]  * cachio lunch
[15:23] <pstolowski> Chipaca: wrt to what i brought up in the standup, it seems to be this is the only change needed: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/63DP8hmsSM/ , then http://localhost/v2/find?name=lxd gives channels such as https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SVBdrKw9p3/
[15:23] <pstolowski> Chipaca: and here is what store gives us, for reference https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rNSvgcw8pN/
[15:23] <pstolowski> Chipaca: so it's the store giving short channel name if track is "latest"
[15:24] <pstolowski> Chipaca: i see no explicit chopping on our side - except for our client side in cmd_info which special-cases "latest"
[15:25] <pstolowski> Chipaca: makes sense?
[15:25] <Chipaca> pstolowski: it does, I'd go hunting for something with branches to see how that is shown if at all
[15:26] <Chipaca> pstolowski: (after the standup i took a quick look and agree with your findings)
[15:27] <Chipaca> pstolowski: actually, nm about branches
[15:27] <Chipaca> pstolowski: it's already the key of the map
[15:27] <Chipaca> pstolowski: so just build it the once, and use it for both things :)
[15:28] <Chipaca> pstolowski: ie chName := ch.Track+"/"+ch.Risk, then info.Channels[chName] = &snap.ChannelSnapInfo{ …,  Channel: chName, … }
[15:29] <Chipaca> pstolowski: makes sense?
[15:31] <pedronis> Chipaca: seems you didn't address this comment https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7185/files#r310180105
[15:32] <Chipaca> ah
[15:32] <Chipaca> pedronis: missed it wrt the embedding
[15:32] <pstolowski> Chipaca: yep. thanks for checking
[15:34] <pedronis> Chipaca: left a couple nitpicks more
[15:35] <Chipaca> pedronis: got it, thanks
[17:20] <jdstrand> pedronis: ack, thanks
[17:31] <pedronis> jdstrand: we are trying to cut 2.41 this week (cc mvo)
[17:52] <jdstrand> roadmr: fyi, store still giving 504
[17:54] <jdstrand> pedronis: ok, I had the bigger PR 6258 (dbus activation) and cgroupv2 PR I was going to do today, but I'll respond to the feedback in my PRs I got today/yesterday first
[17:54] <jdstrand> pedronis: those two aren't 2.41 milestoned, so that should be ok
[17:54] <jdstrand> pedronis: I did the other 2.41 milestoned reviews and quite a few others yesterday. I *think* it is just those two that are on outstanding for me to review
[18:00] <cachio> pedronis, hey, google:ubuntu-14.04-64:tests/main/auto-refresh-private failed after "support seeding a classic system with ..." was merged
[18:01] <cachio> pedronis, did it fail the test before?
[18:01] <pedronis> cachio: no
[18:02] <cachio> ok, I'll take a look in that case
[18:02] <cachio> tx
[18:04] <sergiusens> Hi there, question, is this error `- Download snap "u1test-snap-with-tracks" (5) from channel "test-track-1/beta" (stream error: stream ID 1; PROTOCOL_ERROR)` something you see often?
[18:05] <cachio> sergiusens, there is a fix for this already merged on master
[18:06] <cmatsuoka> sergiusens: I see it in tests
[18:06] <sergiusens> great, that is where I am seeing it too
[18:06] <cachio> cmatsuoka, mvo made a fix for that
[18:06] <cachio> sergiusens, ~
[18:06] <sergiusens> thanks for the quick response :-)
[18:19] <jdstrand> pedronis: I responded to your comments in PR #7111
[18:19] <jdstrand> pedronis: I need some clarification (https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7111)
[18:20] <jdstrand> is the bot not around? I don't seem to be able to get it to spit out urls lately...
[18:25] <mvo> jdstrand: thank you for prioritzing 2.41 - let us know if we can help, we could do trivial changes for you in our mornings if you are ok with that
[18:25] <mvo> jdstrand: mup is quiet for some time
[18:26] <mvo> jdstrand: I talked to gustavo he wants to tweak some code first iirc, its related to the spam attacks that happend on freenode a while ago and now unregistered users are muted by default and (iirc) that code needs tweaks
[18:26] <jdstrand> mvo: ok, cool. I thought maybe I forgot the handshake
[18:26] <mvo> jdstrand: hhaha
[18:27] <niemeyer> Yeah, sorry about that
[18:27] <niemeyer> The issue is mup doesn't have code to self-identify to nickserv
[18:28] <niemeyer> If I do that manually it works
[18:28] <niemeyer> But I need to automate it so it happens on reconnection
[18:28] <niemeyer> mup: Right?
[18:28] <mup> niemeyer: I apologize, but I'm pretty strict about only responding to known commands.
[18:29] <mvo> niemeyer: thanks! no worries, a clear case of soo-much-to-do-so-little-time :/
[18:29] <niemeyer> Yeah, it just sucks that it's taking that long to get to it
[18:30]  * mvo hugs niemeyer
[18:31]  * mvo noticed there weren't many hugs since dholbach stopped joining this channel, a shame!
[18:31] <mvo> btw tests are a bit on the red side still, any particular culprits? if not I will investigate in my morning
[18:31] <jdstrand> niemeyer: hello :)
[18:32] <niemeyer> jdstrand: o/
[18:44] <pedronis> jdstrand: I tried to answer, but likely one of us is confused
[18:45] <pedronis> jdstrand: it seems you have the order of things happening in snapstate vs snap/info.go wrong
[18:46] <pedronis> snap/info.go stuff happens first
[18:46] <pedronis> or I'm misreading you
[18:51] <jdstrand> pedronis: for the first comment about key, I understand your point and will fix. for the other, yes, I understood the order to be the other way. I can adjust and move it
[18:52] <pedronis> jdstrand: there you have a bit of a choice whether to do it always, or do it under Validate
[18:53] <pedronis> it seems we tend to do that kind of checks in Validate
[18:53] <pedronis> like for slot/plug names etc
[18:53] <pedronis> but not so late as in check_snap.go
[18:53] <jdstrand> I would lean towards that I think too
[18:53] <jdstrand> thanks
[18:54] <jdstrand> I think the comment somewhere made me think check_snap.go was sooner than later, but not a problem
[18:54] <jdstrand> s/the comment/a comment/
[18:55] <pedronis> we need to parse the yaml before acting on it
[18:55] <pedronis> so one of the Read is always in the path
[18:56] <jdstrand> sure. the parse check I thought was different from a value check, but again, not a problem to move
[18:59]  * cachio afk
[19:26] <pedronis> jdstrand: I clarified my comments in 7112, two things are probably follow up material, need more thinking to decide what to do, but one point still is relevant
[19:28] <mup> PR snapcraft#2661 closed: deltas: code cleanup <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2661>
[19:32] <zyga> degville: https://twitter.com/zygoon/status/1161720375962681344
[19:35] <jdstrand> pedronis: ok, with PR 7111, I moved only IsValidUsername() to info_snap_yaml.go: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7111/commits/0cc9ac7c514a48ac409a04d5b27393a96cec456e
[19:36] <mup> PR #7111: many: support system-usernames for 'snap_daemon' user <⛔ Blocked> <Created by jdstrand> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7111>
[19:38] <jdstrand> pedronis: which is what you said in the PR and that is all fine. when discussing here, I thought you meant all of the supportedSystemUsernames checks, but you didn't mean that, correct? Ie, I think I'd like to keep the supportedSystemUsernames in overlord since eventually we'll get the map from the store, not hardcoded in snapd, so hardcoding it for now in where it is feels better than in
[19:38] <jdstrand> info_snap_yaml.go
[19:39] <jdstrand> pedronis: beyond that, I think I addressed all comments for 7111
[20:41] <jdstrand> erf... unit tests failing with "Could not obtain seccomp compiler information: fork/exec /tmp/check-3892727285590088690/593/usr/lib/snapd/snap-seccomp: no such file or directory"
[21:13] <mup> PR snapcraft#2663 opened: elf: handle invalid elf files <Created by cjp256> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2663>
[22:10] <cmatsuoka> cachio: are you experiencing repeated fedora-30-64 test failures?
[22:18] <cachio> cmatsuoka, mmm
[22:18] <cachio> which errors?
[22:19] <cmatsuoka> cachio: mostly in preparation, I just restarted my tests because they seemed random but if they happen again I'll get the full log
[22:19] <cachio> cmatsuoka, do you have a log?
[22:19] <cachio> I just finished a fix for interfaces-contacts-service
[22:19] <cmatsuoka> cachio: I'll get it in the next run
[22:20] <cachio> cmatsuoka, nice, thanks}
[22:26] <jdstrand> oh, I found the issue I saw in the testsuite (my fault)
[22:28] <cachio> cmatsuoka, I am leaving now, please, leave here the link, I'll take a look when I am back
[22:29] <mup> PR snapd#7256 opened: tests: adding retry command and use it to delete $XDG directory <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7256>
[22:40] <cmatsuoka> cachio: the ubuntu tests failed too, but the cause seems to be pretty random as well: Cannot allocate google:ubuntu-18.10-64: cannot allocate new Google server for ubuntu-18.10-64: the resource 'projects/ubuntu-os-cloud/global/images/family/ubuntu-1810' was not found
[22:41] <cmatsuoka> I'll repeat it to see if it's deterministic
[23:21] <cmatsuoka> cachio: ok, now the fedora systems are provisioned, but they're failing when looking for vendored dependencies during rpm package build