[20:27] <riyonuk>
[20:27] <Simkin> vmware is kinda dumb
[20:27] <Simkin> vbox is better
[20:28] <riyonuk> That's what I used to use.
[20:28] <ubsrv> thanx so much IntuitiveNipple, alankila
[20:28] <riyonuk> Always seemed to work.
[20:28] <aaaaate> eeeeeeee
[20:28] <aaaaate> que pai
[20:28] <aaaaate> alguien de ESPAÑA
[20:28] <aaaaate> ESPAÑAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[20:28] <aaaaate> ALLLLLLLEEEEETTTTTTIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
[20:29] <dry_> hi. my web cam not detected on ubuntu 11.10. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1977550 is there any way I could use it?
[20:29] <IntuitiveNipple> ubsrv: you should pastebin the working rules for us
[20:29] <RyoRonin> riyonuk: http://communities.vmware.com/thread/322709?start=15&tstart=0 check out the details, seems to be a problem with macbook and vmware fusion
[20:30] <RyoRonin> riyonuk: there seem to be some solutions in fixing the problem.
[20:30] <ubsrv> IntuitiveNipple btw, do you know how to make any traffic generated in A to be redirected to B? I guess PREROUTING rules doesn't work there
[20:31] <JessicaW> RyoRonin: nicely done.
[20:31] <IntuitiveNipple> ubsrv: off the top of my head, no ... it's aching :p
[20:31] <ubsrv> hehe, ok :P
[20:31] <JessicaW> Tm0: is that working for you?
[20:32] <riyonuk> Hmm.
[20:32] <Tm0> @JessicaW Just checking the BIOS right now, making sure it isn't anything there.
[20:32] <JessicaW> Tm0: what happens when you try to boot into ubuntu?
[20:33] <JessicaW> Tm0: can you hold the shift key on reboot and see the grub menu?
[20:33] <Tm0> @JessicaW I don't get a choice, GRUB fails to initilize.
[20:34] <OvermindDL1> I am getting this exact issue with libmtp killing a connected USB device repeatedly when it is plugged in, with a different device however, and since just about everything from Banshee to VLC depends on libmtp, removing it is not so easy, so how can I disable 'just' the USB probe on it?  http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.usb.general/52003
[20:35] <OvermindDL1> Googleing for this issue does not turn up much...
[20:35] <alusion_> How do I even format my host drive? boot into live cd?
[20:35] <JessicaW> Tm0: I Had a problem like this in the past. Installer CD was seeing my first SATA RAID card as /dev0-3 and second as dev4-7. it would install grub but it would fail because the bios saw the second sata card as dev0-3
[20:36] <Tm0> @JessicaW Which is what i'm checking. Need to clear my CMOS as my bios password seems too secure.
[20:36] <alusion_> ActionParsnip, I am trying to get rid of the curse of windows (NTFS) on my host drive and turn my box into a dedicated linux machine
[20:36] <JessicaW> Tm0: lol
[20:36] <ActionParsnip> alusion_: ok.....
[20:36] <alusion_> Do you have any advice before preceding ?
[20:36] <ActionParsnip> alusion_: make sure your backups are up to date
[20:36] <Duality> anyone here got a belkin router ?
[20:37] <alusion_> I wasn't quite sure where my Tomboy Notes saved..
[20:37] <ActionParsnip> Duality: i'm sure many do
[20:37] <JessicaW> alusion_: then just backup the files you want to keep to a flash drive and install fresh :D
[20:37] <ActionParsnip> alusion_: possibly in a hidden folder in $HOME or in $HOME/.config
[20:38] <linusable> Duality : i have one (a few years old). What do you need ?
[20:38] <JessicaW> does anyone know of an application to do on the fly kernel updates without a reboot for ubuntu server? Like ksplice/uptrack but for server
[20:40] <ActionParsnip> JessicaW: you can use ksplice on ubuntu server.....
[20:41] <JessicaW> ActionParsnip: nope. they no longer sell subscriptions for it. I tried.
[20:41] <ActionParsnip> JessicaW: http://www.ksplice.com/uptrack/download-ubuntu   no need to buy anything
[20:41] <JessicaW> ActionParsnip: only desktop version is supported now.
[20:41] <JessicaW> ActionParsnip: and when you try to use the accesskey it says it's for RHEL only. I already talked to their support.
[20:42] <ActionParsnip> JessicaW: weird
[20:42] <JessicaW> ActionParsnip: kind of sucks. it's the perfect tool.
[20:42] <JessicaW> ActionParsnip: apparently this is recent.
[20:43] <JessicaW> ActionParsnip: from their support "The installation instructions you see are for "legacy" customers who have an Uptrack subscription already. We are no longer selling individual subscriptions, so unfortunately there are no options for support of Ubuntu servers."
[20:43] <Chaos_Zero> hi
[20:43] <ActionParsnip> JessicaW: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/32611/how-to-update-kernel-without-reboot-ksplice-alternative
[20:43] <alusion_> On creating a usb stick on ubuntu should I format the usb drive to fat32 or ext4?
[20:43] <chaord> hi guys...I have a totally bizarre situation...a corrupt 12.04 (was an attempted upgrade from 11.10) on the same HD, different partition (i think) as a clean 12.04 install (works fine) that I made from a ubuntu liveUSB drive....the dilemma is that I can only seem to get the proper grub menu that lets me boot into the working one when the usb drive is in on boot...even though i installed it to the it's like the grub conf file is on the flashdrive...any ide
[20:44] <Chaos_Zero> for the last two days one of the ethernet connections on my server keeps dropping out randomely. ALl the lights go off on it and it does not even try to reconnect. Unplugging and repluggins fixes it for a while.
[20:44] <zzach> Is there any open source program which converts a directory listing to a mysql or other SQL database?
[20:44] <Chaos_Zero> i have seen this happen with gigabit but never the 100m that this one is using
[20:44] <ikonia> zzach: that would be a pointless tool
[20:44] <JessicaW> ActionParsnip: nice. let me look into that. thanks.
[20:44] <ikonia> zzach: you're converting a list into a relational datbase....
[20:45] <Chaos_Zero> it was working fine for monthe before now, what do you tink the problem is?
[20:45] <JessicaW> ActionParsnip: oh, btw, that link for ubuntu download is for desktop kernel only.
[20:45] <Gape> Hello, after upgrading my motherboard/cpu and updating ubuntu from livecd to 12.04 I get 'failed to create pty - disabling logging for job' error everytime i try to boot into ubuntu
[20:46] <ActionParsnip> JessicaW: yeah you said...may have to just bite the bullet and reboot in your maintenance window
[20:46] <zykotic10> alusion_: do you want an install usb?  or just for storage?
[20:46] <vlt> Hello. How to switch from locale "POSIX" to "de_DE.UTF-8"?
[20:46] <Gape> It happens in both recovery and normal mode (although it doesn't show up in normal mode anymore after reinstalling grub .. normal mode is just stuck on purple screen atm)
[20:46] <JessicaW> ActionParsnip: heh, my guys whine so much when I reboot at all. they want a 897 day uptime... it's ridiculous.
[20:46] <zzach> ikonia: i want to convert a directory tree to a database for easier searching. For windows, a similar program exists (SDC.NET - simple disk catalog) for firebird database and .NET dependent.
[20:47] <ActionParsnip> JessicaW: oh jeez those guys need a clue
[20:47] <ikonia> zzach: that is not a relational database
[20:47] <ActionParsnip> JessicaW: uptime is so overrated
[20:47] <JessicaW> ActionParsnip: I keep telling them this isn't 1992....
[20:47] <ikonia> zzach: the output of a directory listing is what? a schema, a table, a row in a table ?
[20:47] <ActionParsnip> zzach: if you want easier searchinig run:   sudo updatedb
[20:47] <ActionParsnip> zzach: you can then use: locate filename
[20:47] <vlt> When I type `locale` I get "POSIX". How to change this?
[20:47] <ActionParsnip> zzach: locate USES a database of all the files on the system....
[20:48] <ActionParsnip> zzach: you are making something that already exists
[20:48] <spligak> So I'm running the proprietary AMD video driver, yet the system details window claims I'm running VESA: CEDAR graphics. Is this correct? Or have I missed something after enabling the driver?
[20:48] <zzach> is it possible to convert the locatedb into a database? is the locatedb format somewhere documented?
[20:48] <utusan> chaord: when logon to the working partition, do sudo update-grub && sudo grub-install /dev/sda
[20:48] <utusan> chaord: assuming your primari HD os sda
[20:48] <ActionParsnip> zzach: it is a database....
[20:48] <utusan> *is
[20:49] <chaord> utusan: ok, i'll try that...and yeah it is sda i believe
[20:49] <ActionParsnip> zzach: thats wy it searches quick, you aren't searching the drive, just a database of the files on the system
[20:50] <^TaCo^> can anyone help me get me wireless card working for ubuntu 12.04 64bit?
[20:50] <anis> bonsoir
[20:50] <ActionParsnip> ^TaCo^: what wireless chip?
[20:50] <^TaCo^> I have a dell inspiron mini 1012
[20:50] <anis> hello
[20:50] <chaord> utusan: before I do that (just so I can reverse if necessary)...how is it that i'm ending up in the correct install when the flash drive is inserted?
[20:50] <ActionParsnip> ^TaCo^: run:   sudo lshw -C network       what is the product line?
[20:50] <zykotic10> !fr | anis if you want french
[20:51] <bodom> Hi there. Since last upgrade, ubuntu no longer remembers alsa master volume setting upon reboot, any ideas?
[20:51] <MarKsaitis> any package manager and dependency experts here? serious case, might be a simple solution!
[20:51] <vlt> vlt: `dpkg-reconfigure locales`, log out, log in.
[20:51] <utusan> chaord: not sure
[20:51] <anis> qui peu m'aider
[20:51] <zykotic10> vlt: i think dpkg-reconfigure requires sudo doesn't it?
[20:51] <anis> ????
[20:51] <chaord> utusan: it's like when the flash drive is inserted, it boots to the proper IDE partition (actually it has all possibilities listed out)
[20:52] <utusan> chaord: what happens when not in?
[20:52] <chaord> utusan: when i'm not in the working one?
[20:52] <utusan> chaord: when usb is out
[20:52] <chaord> utusan: mouse freeze, icons don't load, screen freeze, can't really get to a terminal, etc
[20:52] <urda-web> I'm having a huge problem with Ubuntu 12.04 Server as a VMWare guest, my network performance is just DEAD. I can't download or upload any large files, apache2 won't serve stuff up, scp transfer die if larger than a few kb
[20:52] <Gape> Hello, after upgrading my motherboard/cpu and updating ubuntu from livecd to 12.04 I get 'failed to create pty - disabling logging for job' error everytime i try to boot into ubuntu. Any idea on how to fix that
[20:53] <chaord> utusan: oh...i get ya..when the usb it out, it brings up the grub menu that was put there by the corrupt install (no optino to even boot the good one)
[20:53] <utusan> chaord: it's trying to read the grub.cfg which is in the flash drive
[20:53] <utusan> ??
[20:54] <chaord> utusan: yeah...thats sort of what i'm thinking?
[20:54] <chaord> utusan: any harm in running that command that you suggested and see what happens?
[20:54] <utusan> chaord: so when you do update-grub, it creates a new cfg and then grub-install will tell it to read from there
[20:55] <ActionParsnip> Gape: does the OS boot ok despite the error?
[20:55] <chaord> utusan: ok, here it goes... .;)
[20:56] <railsraider> I'm trying to setup my own apt-mirror is there a way to get specific  packages and not download everything?
[20:56] <Gape> ActionParsnip:  No, the normal boot just displays the error twice while the recovery mode does it many times, but stops eventually
[20:56] <Sirisian|Work> Does the package manager store old versions of packages?
[20:56] <Gape> Then they both just stop botting
[20:56] <Sirisian|Work> CUPS broke pretty severely with their last package and I need to grab an older one.
[20:57] <ActionParsnip> Gape: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/980917
[20:57] <chaord> utusan: hmm...i'm actually not sure how to tell whether i should do sudo grub-install /dev/sda or /dev/sda1
[20:57] <zykotic10> chaord: if you want MBR use sda
[20:57] <chaord> zykotic10:  sorry, MBR?
[20:57] <utusan> chaord: should be /dev/sda
[20:58] <zykotic10> chaord: Master Boot Record (probably what you want)
[20:58] <Gape> ActionParsnip:  Thanks, I found that myself, but I'm not sure how to use --no-log command
[20:58] <chaord> utusan: zykotic10:  ok NOW here it goes ;)
[20:59] <chaord> zykotic10: utusan: ok...no errors on install, rebooting, I'll hop back in and let you know if we have success
[20:59] <Gape> ActionParsnip: After a bit of reading, I think I have to press e on grub on the correct OS, then add no-log to the end of the line starting with linux /boot .. am i correct?
[21:00] <zykotic10> Gape: FYI the e on grub is only temporary, use /etc/default/grub to make it permanent (after testing with e method)
[21:00] <Gape> zykotic10: I'm aware of it being temporary, but is that the correct way to imply upstart command line options :)
[21:01] <zykotic10> Gape: sorry, i have no idea.
[21:01] <ActionParsnip> Gape: worth a try
[21:01] <ActionParsnip> Gape: If it were me I'd just reinstall and restore user data from backup
[21:01] <vlt> zykotic10: Yes, I ran that on a root shell.
[21:02] <Gape> ActionParsnip: Well I'll probably try that eventually, but seeing it's not so uncommon problem I'm not sure if reinstalling will fix it
[21:02] <chaord> zykotic10: utusan:  I'm back, booted successfully without flashdrive in....thank you guys soo much!
[21:03] <utusan> chaord: np
[21:03] <Gape> ActionParsnip: Also It seems adding no-log to that line didn't help :/
[21:03] <LiquidGuide> has anyone had any luck getting amazon cloud services SES email to work with ubuntu 12.04 LTS using postfix
[21:04] <Tm0> @JessicaW Messing with the Bios seems to have fixed it. Not sure if that means GRUB is installed on a different drive
[21:04] <synack_> Anybody know how to turn my "host" folder (windows 7) into a VDI so I can run it in virtualbox from inside ubuntu ?
[21:04] <synack_> i am dual booting atm
[21:04] <Nette> iii
[21:04] <synack_> but never boot into windows now
[21:05] <JessicaW> Tm0: file -s /dev/sdX should let you know which drive it's on.
[21:05] <vossen> synack_: Maybe use VMware's converter to make into a vmdk, it should run in VB too.
[21:05] <JessicaW> Tm0: try this http://serverfault.com/questions/61400/how-do-i-tell-if-grub-is-installed-on-a-device
[21:05] <synack_> vossen: i can turn a folder into a vmdk with vmware free ?
[21:06] <synack_> in ubuntu?
[21:06] <vossen> synack_: Oh, just a folder? Not sure. Think you have to be inside Windows to actually perform that action.
[21:06] <vossen> It will convert a running machine, if I'm not mistaken.
[21:06] <synack_> i wonder if anybody has done this, what happened is i orig installed ubuntu from inside windows, so now it dual boots and i can see the folder /host/ from ubuntu with all the windoze files
[21:07] <synack_> yea this is a special scenario
[21:07] <Tm0> @JessicaW I just realized something. If I need to install the proprietary driver... The alternative CD is still useless. Nouvouro doesn't support my video card.
[21:07] <synack_> maybe your idea would work from inside the windows bootable OS
[21:07] <synack_> and then i could just use the static file later
[21:07] <synack_> who knows, this is complex
[21:07] <kinenkaya> https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Migrate_Windows
[21:08] <utusan> synack_: I heard VB can do what you're thinking but when you does Windows will not boot anymore
[21:08] <JessicaW> Tm0: :|
[21:09] <Tm0> @JessicaW Ahahaa! To GOOOGLE I GO!
[21:10] <vossen> synack_: Is it possible to make a ghost image of the Windows drive and then write it to a VDI? Just a theory, no idea if you can.
[21:10] <synack_> utusan: that would not be so bad if i could boot windows as a VM lol
[21:10] <synack_> vossen: that is a good idea
[21:11] <synack_> windows and ubuntu are both on one 2TB drive
[21:11] <synack_> dual booting as per the windows ubuntu installer
[21:11] <synack_> ive just now fianlly hit a wall
[21:11] <synack_> where i am never going to use windows again as a host
[21:12] <synack_> sick of the constant virus issues, etc
[21:12] <vossen> synack_: So no possibility to actually boot up Windows and use the VMware converter?
[21:12] <synack_> even a game like quakelive can lead to an exploited system
[21:12] <synack_> lol
[21:12] <synack_> vossen:
[21:12] <synack_> i can yes
[21:12] <synack_> and i will try that idea
[21:12] <FloodBot1> synack_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:13] <Guest51439> what was that sudo command again?
[21:13] <synack_> ah sorry for the flooding, i have a bad habit of using enter as punctuation in other channels , but vossen that is a good idea and i will try to make an image in VMware for sure, from inside the windows OS
[21:14] <ActionParsnip> synack_: you can run quakelive on Ubuntu :)
[21:14] <synack_> ActionParsnip: - I know, goobye windows! :)
[21:15] <ActionParsnip> Guest51439: the sudo command is:  sudo
[21:15] <Simkin> sudo
[21:15] <synack_> rofl
[21:15] <synack_> man sudo
[21:16] <Guest51439> sorry i had a couple probs earlier(i'm a super linux newb). I asked if anyone could help me get my wireless  working on my dell inspiron mini 1012
[21:16] <ActionParsnip> Guest51439: or gksudo for GUI apps, like gedit
[21:16] <alusion_> Hello I am creating a bootable usb stick on ubuntu to download and reinstall ubuntu with, what should I format the thumbdrive to?
[21:16] <ActionParsnip> Guest51439: what wifi chip?
[21:17] <sideup66> hi folks
[21:17] <ActionParsnip> ^TaCo^: if you run:   sudo lshw -C network     you will see Product:   for the wifi, what is the chip?
[21:17] <sideup66> hello again evil resistence
[21:17] <sideup66> resistance i mean
[21:17] <^TaCo^> pci sysfs
[21:17] <sideup66> back with more ? s as im continueing along my path to linux uber-mastery and raid 1 dom
[21:17] <JessicaW> alusion_: use the livecd and click try ubuntu. there's a utility called startup disk creator. It will take care of it for you.
[21:17] <ActionParsnip> ^TaCo^: your PCI bus is slow, give it time
[21:17] <sideup66> i configured my vm with a working raid and cracked the automount issue with /etc/fstab modificatiions
[21:18] <sideup66> works fine there and samba seems happy
[21:18] <WeKillTheBat> not sure how this works.
[21:18] <sideup66> but now i tried to simulate a sick raid by powering off the vm and putting one of the drives under
[21:18] <^TaCo^> stupid short bus
[21:18] <sideup66> i booted and of course am warned about how the raid is now degradeded, thats fine but being a home server I would want the machine to run anyway, so my question is how to configure tye system to do that
[21:19] <ActionParsnip> ^TaCo^: well, just not very wide, or fast
[21:19] <sideup66> if anyone can help it would be appreciated
[21:19] <Simkin> sideup66: i have no idea why ubuntu won't boot off a degraded array but it bugs me too
[21:19] <Simkin> sideup66: other distros just start up, as they should
[21:20] <sideup66> simkin: is there a way to configure it to do that
[21:20] <Simkin> sideup66: if you find an answer please pm me if i'm not around
[21:21] <^TaCo^> product: BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY
[21:21] <^TaCo^> broadcom
[21:21] <ActionParsnip> !broadcom
[21:21] <sideup66> simkin: will do
[21:22] <^TaCo^> is '!broadcom' a trigger?
[21:23] <ActionParsnip> ^TaCo^: it makes ubottu give the link you need
[21:23] <^TaCo^> !trigger
[21:23] <sideup66> ! reliableraid
[21:23] <^TaCo^> thank you
[21:23] <^TaCo^> hahah
[21:23] <sideup66> !reliableraid
[21:23] <^TaCo^> !broadcom
[21:24] <IntuitiveNipple> sideup66: Simkin see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReliableRaid
[21:24] <newby> !ubottu
[21:24] <sideup66> nipple, i was thinking of trying that
[21:24] <IntuitiveNipple> sideup66: It describes all the reasons why degraded RAID doesn't happen
[21:25] <vossen> I have a VIA EPIA ML8000 motherboard (old and phased out). When trying to boot up the Ubuntu Server installer it gives me an error saying, "graphics initialisation failed" "Error setting up gfxboot". I have been searching Google for hours and I have seen solutions like, "type help and install will continue" and "increase vga memory" but none of these help. I have been trying all versions since Ubuntu Server 10.04 upto 12.04, all versions does it and I have ch
[21:25] <sideup66> does it have a switch to force it to work, and note my raid isnt booting
[21:25] <sideup66> its a non boot, its meant to hold the data
[21:25] <riyonuk> Okay, installed Ubuntu desktop into virtual box. It's set to NAT. Still cannot ssh into t.
[21:25] <sideup66> a whole other drive is dedicated to boot
[21:25] <riyonuk> I'm about to give up on linux, haha. This just isn't working for me D;
[21:26] <newby> vossem idk i always need nomodeset param set with nvidia maybe it could help u 2?
[21:26] <ActionParsnip> riyonuk: set the network to bridged
[21:26] <Boohbah> bridged, yes
[21:26] <riyonuk> to my wifi? http://cl.ly/2X2a0x0k2w3t2w071J1L
[21:26] <Tm0> Okay everyone, I need a hand, anyone know if this following link will activate Nvidia proprietary drivers, or just install it? http://www.hecticgeek.com/2011/10/how-to-install-latest-proprietary-nvidia-drivers-in-ubuntu-11-10-oneiric-ocelot/
[21:27] <Boohbah> ActionParsnip: your nick always reminds me of Super Mario Bros 2 where they pull turnips out of the ground :)
[21:27] <alusion_> Woah have you guys seen the ubuntu tablet??
[21:27] <vossen> newby: Maybe, how can I set that upon boot of the installer?
[21:27] <Sidewinder> !nomodeset | vossen
[21:27] <krababbel> Tm0: do you have 11.10?
[21:28] <newby> vossen if you press f2 right after the bios tries to start grub you can choose params in a gui (lang and with f6 you can check the params)
[21:28] <sideup66> nipple was this bug fixed in 12.04 (which the system will run)
[21:28] <Tm0> @Krababbel I have 12.04, was hoping the logic carried over.
[21:28] <newby> vossen its the menu in wich you choose to try/install/memcheck
[21:28] <sw0rdfish> heya guys
[21:28] <krababbel> Tm0: open system settins, there is additional drivers there
[21:29] <newby> vossen on installation CD/thumbdrive of course i mean
[21:29] <Tm0> @Krababbel I don't have access to the desktop because the lack of the Nvidia driver. Novou doesn't support my card.
[21:29] <IntuitiveNipple> sideone: I'm not sure, I'd have to degrade one of the drives on my gateway's boot array to find out!
[21:29] <newby> tm0: sudo apt-get install nvidia-current
[21:29] <`Korvin> I have a system package that failed to install
[21:29] <IntuitiveNipple> oops
[21:29] <ActionParsnip> riyonuk: wait, you only JUST install Ubuntu in a virtualbox and it didn't work as expected immediately and you are going to give up on it. Is that right?
[21:29] <`Korvin> due to dependencies
[21:29] <IntuitiveNipple> sideup66: : I'm not sure, I'd have to degrade one of the drives on my gateway's boot array to find out!
[21:29] <`Korvin> how do I get rid of it
[21:29] <vossen> newby: Thank you,I will try that.
[21:30] <sideup66> intuitive: ok!
[21:30] <Tm0> @newby will that make it active though? I have to do it from Rescue mode's Root shell
[21:30] <ActionParsnip> `Korvin: sudo apt-get -f install
[21:30] <krababbel> Tm0: install 'apt get install nvidia-current'
[21:30] <shaneo> could someone please assist me with setting up ssl trackers with transmission
[21:30] <sw0rdfish> hey guys how can I set WPA password for WLAN
[21:30] <sw0rdfish> via the terminal?
[21:30] <sideup66> intuitive this is a test so basically i broke the raid deliberately, cause well the rest of the fam knows nothing on computers so things need to work til i get down there to make sure the lights are on and everyones home
[21:30] <riyonuk> ActionParsnip: lol, I've been working on this for a week now. openssh-server and client are installed. changing nat/brige, vmware/virtualbox does nothing
[21:30] <vossen> newby: I am just pretty sure that my launch fails already before that screen, but I will check again.
[21:31] <newby> Tm0 hmm i dont know but i guess yes
[21:31] <ActionParsnip> riyonuk: did you ask in #vbox at all?
[21:31] <krababbel> tm0 you could try blacklisting the nv module to get to a desktop
[21:31] <riyonuk> Nope, but I will. THanks!
[21:31] <newby> vossen: idk i have to admit i dont really understand your problem, i just wanted you to know that option
[21:32] <vossen> newby: Thank you then, I will try. :)
[21:32] <rymate1234> The ubuntu font is awesome :D
[21:32] <BluesKaj> Tm0, after installing the nvidia-current driver , do , sudo nvidia-xconfig , then startx
[21:32] <sw0rdfish> hey guys how can I set WPA password for WLAN
[21:32] <sw0rdfish> via the terminal?
[21:32] <Tm0> @newby Console throws errors "Not using locking for read only file /var/lib/dpkg/lock/ <---- seems Root doesn't have root doesn't have root access :/
[21:33] <auronandace> rymate1234: apart from lowercase L, it looks like 1 to me
[21:33] <Tm0> @BluesKaJ the command throws errors.
[21:33] <krababbel> Tm0: did you use sudo?
[21:33] <Tm0> @Krababbel I'm using the Root console in the Rescue option at grub
[21:34] <aboSamoor> why update-initramfs generate md arrays UUIDS different than the one I can get using /dev/disk/by-uuid?
[21:34] <krababbel> Tm0: not sure, if you need root there, sorry
[21:34] <halakar> hey guise.  how about a "show desktop" icon?
[21:34] <rymate1234> l
[21:34] <rymate1234> Lowercase l looks like an l to me
[21:34] <Tm0> @Krababbel It's okay don't worry ;)
[21:35] <rakshasa> How do I install the Inel Linux Graphics 12.02, my kernell is already upgraded to the most compatible version
[21:35] <rymate1234> allthough that might be cuz my irc is ubuntu mono
[21:35] <IntuitiveNipple> Tm0 try to find out what has the lock: fuser /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[21:35] <ActionParsnip> rymate1234: how do you mean 'ubuntu mono'?
[21:35] <ActionParsnip> !aptfix
[21:35] <szerzetes_> hi! do somebody help for me in JSF 2.0, paramter pass?
[21:35] <Tm0> @IntuitiveNipple How does one do that?
[21:36] <IntuitiveNipple> Tm0: "fuser /var/lib/dpkg/lock "
[21:36] <rymate1234> the ubuntu monospaced font
[21:36] <thirsty> hi, folks. what's the fastest/easiest way for linux to compare to files and tell me the differences?
[21:36] <rakshasa> szerzetes maybe I can
[21:36] <sw0rdfish> !wireless
[21:37] <BluesKaj> Tm0, did you try the "repair broken packages" option in the recovery dialog
[21:37] <BluesKaj> ?
[21:37] <IntuitiveNipple> thirsty: Are they text files? if so, diff -Nu file1 file2
[21:37] <thirsty> compare to files [21:37] <thirsty> IntuitiveNipple: yes, text (html)
[21:37] <szerzetes_> rakshasa, can we write in private?
[21:37] <thirsty> IntuitiveNipple: thanks
[21:37] <chalcedony> :)
[21:37] <ActionParsnip> rymate1234: you can change the font in most clients....
[21:37] <thirsty> is there an online website that does this?
[21:37] <Tm0> @BlueKaj Yes to no avail
[21:37] <rakshasa> yes
[21:37] <chalcedony> good to see you ActionParsnip :))
[21:38] <ActionParsnip> hi chalcedony
[21:38] <chalcedony> :)
[21:38] <rymate1234> I know
[21:38] <newby> Tm0, maybe you also want to install nvidia-current libvdpau1 vdpau-va-driver vdpauinfo libva1 libva-x11-1 	vainfo 	gstreamer0.10-vaapi   and you can load it manually via "sudo modprobe -r nouveau" and then "modprobe nvidia" "sudo service lightdm restart"
[21:38] <undercoverapple> Boohbah: Yes I did try Libre Office Calc already to no avail.
[21:38] <rymate1234> I changed it to ubuntu mono
[21:38] <rymate1234> cuz I like it
[21:38] <Tm0> @IntuitiveNipple No dialog appears after I run that command. I assume I'm to change 'fuser" to root or something?"
[21:38] <Ste> !lista
[21:38] <Boohbah> undercoverapple: perhaps you can export the file in another format?
[21:38] <IntuitiveNipple> Tm0: woooa .. hang on ... recovery console? Have you remounted / read-write?
[21:38] <BluesKaj> Tm0, no need for @ on irc , just use the nick
[21:38] <sw0rdfish> ActionParsnip, can you plz point me to a guide for setting WEP key for WLAN via terminal?
[21:38] <zerwas> Is it possible to open the messaging menu with gdbus?
[21:38] <undercoverapple> Boohbah: Not an option unfortunately.
[21:39] <IntuitiveNipple> Tm0: no, that is the command. If you get no result it is not finding any processes using that file
[21:39] <auronandace> !wep | sw0rdfish
[21:39] <ActionParsnip> sw0rdfish: man iwconfig      or install wicd
[21:39] <Tm0> @IntuitiveNipple Crap. This I didn't do! It even asked me.. Is it easier to reboot and remount or is there an easy command to do so without having to remember which harddrive it is?
[21:39] <newby> Tm0 maybe do a normal boot and then go to tty1 with str alt f1
[21:40] <Tm0> I can't get into normal boots newby
[21:40] <chalcedony> my husband wants to replace all the stuff we downloaded and configured for his Brother printer.. which still isn't working with his Ubuntu 10.10.. is there a handy dandy delete this program/file/directory in Ubuntu? it's got recursive directories & rm Directory doesn't work for me.
[21:40] <newby> Tm0 why?
[21:40] <IntuitiveNipple> Tm0: Try mount -o remount,rw /
[21:40] <ActionParsnip> chalcedony: did you grab the driver debs from the brother site?
[21:40] <Tm0> BluesKaj I'm just so used to tagging people
[21:41] <auronandace> !10.10 | chalcedony
[21:41] <chalcedony> ActionParsnip, we did, and have been corresponding with them.
[21:41] <halakar> hey guise.  how about a "show desktop" icon?  is there one available?
[21:41] <mcphail> chalcedony: rm -rf
[21:41] <chalcedony> auronandace, thanks we have a new hard drive being shipped.. waiting for it
[21:41] <snap_> hey, i have a package installed from a ppa and synaptic says it is up to date, but the ppa page shows a newer version. any way to figure out what is going on?
[21:42] <Tm0> @IntuitiveNipple That did that tick, installing the drivers now
[21:42] <chalcedony> mcphail, that won't delete everything?!
[21:42] <IntuitiveNipple> Tm0: Yay! :)
[21:42] <mcphail> chalcedony: rm -rf /path/to/directory will recursively delte from there. rm -rf / deletes _everything_
[21:42] <ActionParsnip> chalcedony: i'd upgrade to precise and retry (clean install)
[21:43] <kennyngston> does anyone know how to completely mute speakers while headphones still function, and meanwhile remove the auto detect headshet thingy?
[21:43] <halakar> hey guys.  i'm wondering if i can add something to the unity "launcher" or whatever it is that I can click on and it will minimize all windows
[21:43] <Tm0> @IntuitiveNipple Wait, need to connect to the internet, I think I have that command dhclient3 eth1 right?
[21:43] <chalcedony> ActionParsnip, i told him to wait a few days, upgrade and then try, he wants to print NOW. (he uses printed pages to communicate (remember he can't talk)
[21:44] <IntuitiveNipple> Tm0: Possibly... or you can try service network-manager start (if everything is prepared)
[21:44] <sw0rdfish> ActionParsnip, ohhh
[21:45] <dry_> hi. my web cam is not detected on ubuntu 11.10. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1977550 is there any way I could fix it?
[21:46] <stilia-johny> hi
[21:46] <Tm0> @IntuitiveNipple It doesn't recongnize that service
[21:46] <ActionParsnip> dry_: does it show in cheese?
[21:46] <IntuitiveNipple> Tm0: OK go with dhclient
[21:47] <chalcedony> is there a different printer setup thing besides cups?
[21:47] <dry_> ActionParsnip: Cheese: "cheese-window.vala:1256: Error: No camera found"
[21:47] <BluesKaj> Tm0, or sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[21:48] <Tm0> @IntuitiveNipple It doesn't find the package. I'm guessing I have to specify a repo in /etc/apt/sources.list  ?
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> dry_: run: lsusb   one line will give an ID for the device, use that to find guides
[21:48] <BluesKaj> it throw a complaint , but it should connect, Tm0
[21:49] <dry_> AcidRain2012:  web cam: 0x041e:0x4045+0x4048 Creative Live
[21:49] <ActionParsnip> dry_: cool, use the web to find guides :)
[21:49] <dry_> AcidRain2012:  sry
[21:49] <Tm0> BluesKaj dhclient eth1 got it to connect
[21:49] <IntuitiveNipple> Tm0: what package are you after? I only came in with the dpkg lock issue :)
[21:49] <BluesKaj> Tm0, good
[21:50] <Tm0> @IntuitiveNipple the nvidia-current
[21:50] <dry_> ActionParsnip:  found guides - useless. Last action related: ov51x "404 Not Found"
[21:50] <ongar> I am looking for a way to use my web cam in ubuntu 12.04, are there any programs I can use...like paltalk
[21:50] <ActionParsnip> ongar: empathy, pidgin
[21:50] <ongar> thank you
[21:51] <ongar> also I would like to make a complete DVD of my current system in case I crash, any ideas would be great
[21:51] <IntuitiveNipple> Tm0: OK, you need to ensure the restricted repo is enabled. look in /etc/apt/apt.sources.d/
[21:51] <Tm0> @IntuitiveNipple It must be, cowsay installed fine
[21:51] <IntuitiveNipple> Tm0: and /etc/apt/apt.sources.list
[21:52] <IntuitiveNipple> Tm0: Try apt-cache policy nvidia-current
[21:52] <ActionParsnip> dry_: the output you gave isn't from lsusb, it has 2 parts only
[21:53] <sw0rdfish> ActionParsnip, ok thanks and I did do man iwconfig before I asked..., but I wasn't sure what i was looking for
[21:53] <zykotic10> IntuitiveNipple: is /etc/apt/apt.sources.list actually a file?  sources.list i've seen.
[21:53] <sw0rdfish> can you plz tell me? i don't have time to look through it all
[21:53] <Tm0> @IntuitiveNipple Yup it's restricted. Gonna change it now.
[21:53] <sw0rdfish> I can search it for what I want though.
[21:53] <IntuitiveNipple> zykotic10: you're correct and I'm tired :p
[21:53] <zykotic10> !info wicd-curses | sw0rdfish
[21:54] <ActionParsnip> sw0rdfish: or you can use /etc/network/interfaces file
[21:54] <antnash> Hey guys. Where do I look to find out why my system is beeping at me every 7 seconds?
[21:54] <Tm0> @IntuitiveNipple Sources.list.d is an empty file.
[21:54] <dry_> ActionParsnip:  web cam Creative Live: [audio: 0x041e:0x4045] [video:0x041e:0x4048]
[21:55] <Zungo> hello, why monitor goes out of range when booting?
[21:55] <IntuitiveNipple> Tm0: I have the Precise package "nvidia-current-updates" (v295.49 vs nvidia-current v295.40)
[21:55] <Zungo> i can't see anything until ubuntu boots
[21:55] <Zungo> i want to boot fedora also
[21:55] <Zungo> too bad kernel does not change resolution
[21:55] <BluesKaj> Tm0,  /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[21:55] <IntuitiveNipple> Tm0: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ is a directory that usually contains additional optional repositories if you added some. Otherwise, the standard Ubuntu repos are in /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:55] <Zungo> anyone?
[21:55] <ActionParsnip> Zungo: you can set the res in /etc/default/grub
[21:56] <Zungo> just upgraded to precise
[21:56] <Jordan_U> Zungo: Uncomment GRUB_GFXMODE=640x480 in /etc/default/grub then run "sudo update-grub".
[21:56] <Zungo> ActionParsnip: thanks, i wonder why monitor goes out of range
[21:56] <ActionParsnip> Zungo: because you are using proprietary driver that doesn'
[21:56] <Zungo> fedora's grub shows properly, with ubuntu grub i got problems
[21:56] <ActionParsnip> doesn't load fast enough
[21:56] <Zungo> also
[21:57] <Zungo> this is a ati radeon xpress 200
[21:57] <scenic> higuys, i'm trying to use a firewire video grabbing card
[21:57] <scenic> on 12.04
[21:57] <Zungo> works great in fedora... in ubuntu it just sucks
[21:57] <siscor1> Hi!
[21:57] <Zungo> ActionParsnip
[21:57] <ActionParsnip> Zungo: then set the res in /etc/default/grub   and run:  sudo update-grub
[21:57] <Zungo> Ok
[21:57] <scenic> but 12.04 doesn't use raw1394 and libavc1394 no more
[21:57] <BlueEagle> !enter | scenic
[21:57] <Tm0> @IntuitiveNipple Oh. Now I see the file. More familiar. Just uncommenting the first lines?
[21:57] <siscor1> Anybody has tried to install an ASUS Tiger 3-in-1 ????
[21:58] <ActionParsnip> Zungo: the file may be different in fedora, or they may have the fb driver installed and told to run during bot, so many different tings can exist
[21:58] <BlueEagle> !anyone | siscor1
[21:58] <IntuitiveNipple> Tm0: If apt-cache policy nvidia-current shows possible candidates, then the repo is in the sources.list. Therefore it may be the version of nvidua-current has changed since the local list was fetched. Did you do an "apt-get update" before trying apt-get install nvidia-current ?
[21:58] <scenic> so it seems /dev/fw0 doesn't always work..
[21:59] <scenic> someone familiar with that matter?
[21:59] <Zungo> ActionParsnip: how do i test the grub tune?
[21:59] <Tm0> @IntuitiveNipple It showed it as unistalled and available in the restricted repo
[21:59] <Zungo> ActionParsnip}
[22:00] <ActionParsnip> Zungo: all I can think is reboot, obviously you need to uncomment the line
[22:00] <antnash> Hey guys. Could the constant beeping I have be because I need a bigger power supply? I've got (an admittedly cheap) 500W unit driving an Intel E6600, a 512Mb geforce card and 4 HDDs. Need a bigger one?
[22:00] <Zungo> ActionParsnip: ok, im done, generating grub and rebooting
[22:00] <IntuitiveNipple> Tm0: that means it can 'see' the restricted repo since it must have fetched the restricted Packages list. try apt-get update - unless you can see that the "restricted" repo is commented out in /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:00] <newby> What for is the "Additional restricted drivers" in system settings?
[22:00] <Jordan_U> Zungo: Test in what way? Note also that the grub tone will only work if your PC has a pcspkr (which may simply be a small speaker within the case, or may be part of your sound card and output via your connected normal speakers depending on the hardware).
[22:00] <Zungo> ActionParsnip: also, why kernel does not autodetect resolution?
[22:01] <Tm0> @IntuitiveNipple "#" stills counts as commenting correct? Ifso it's the first line in the file and it's commented out.
[22:01] <IntuitiveNipple> Tm0: correct, anything after a # is a comment
[22:01] <BlueEagle> newby: Some vendors release non-open-source drivers. Activating the setting will allow you to install those.
[22:01] <ActionParsnip> Zungo: it tries, its udev that detects it, not the kernel
[22:01] <Zungo> in fedora, autodetect kernel resoultion works in fedora....
[22:01] <Mycro> Hi.
[22:01] <Zungo> idk, how i can check?
[22:02] <Zungo> ActionParsnip: idk what could be
[22:02] <BluesKaj> scenic, open /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-firewire.conf ..comment the blacklists there with # in front , or delete , with root permissions
[22:02] <nicklas_> hello, how much can you change the looks of unity? like, can yuo get a traditional menu icon, can you get workspace switcher in panel, and can you remove the left side panel?
[22:02] <Jordan_U> Zungo: What graphics card do you have?
[22:02] <scenic> BluesKaj, lemme try that
[22:02] <newby> BlueEagle, i installed nvidia-current but the utility keeps lying about "there are not proprietary drivers in use"???
[22:02] <scenic> 1sec
[22:02] <Zungo> Jordan_U: ati radeon xpress 200: radeon drivers work fine in fedora
[22:02] <BlueEagle> newby: Are the drivers being used?
[22:02] <ActionParsnip> Zungo: its quite trivial, i wouldn't sweat it
[22:02] <newby> BlueEagle, yes
[22:03] <BlueEagle> newby: Then you should check !bugs
[22:03] <BlueEagle> !bugs > newby
[22:03] <Zungo> idk, tring radeon driver here made wierd stuff.... works great in fedora....
[22:03] <scenic> BluesKaj, do i need to restart?
[22:03] <Zungo> ...}
[22:03] <vossen> newby: If you want to understand my issue better, take a look at this. http://youtu.be/4hVEuwNQVv8
[22:03] <BluesKaj>  scenic , maybe a relogin , not sure
[22:04] <Tm0> @IntuitiveNipple After uncommenting it suggested I ran apt-get update I guess it's needed
[22:04] <Zungo> ... guys?
[22:04] <newby> BlueEagle, did i do sth wrong when i just installed in via cmd line apt-get install nvidia-current?? i mean what installation way would this util expect?
[22:04] <ActionParsnip> Zungo: mines the same on my nvidia gpu system but i couldn't care less. The system boots
[22:05] <Zungo> ActionParsnip: yeah, but, since i first installed ubuntu i had troubles with it, fedora worked great since installed
[22:05] <IntuitiveNipple> Tm0: apt-get update fetches the latest Packages lists from the archives
[22:05] <dalton2345> hello, could natty 64 bit be a problem with wireless connection, I had natty 32bit and everything was perfect
[22:05] <ActionParsnip> Zungo: yes, you keep saying....
[22:05] <nicklas_> hrrm? noone?
[22:05] <BlueEagle> newby: No, you have already determined that the drivers are in use, so therefore the issue is with the application saying that the drivers are in use. Just out of curiousity; how did you verify that the drivers were in use?
[22:06] <Zungo> well. what i can do about it?
[22:06] <newby> BlueEagle, i loaded them manually via modprobe verified via lsmod and use  gnome-shell and cinnamon with them
[22:06] <ActionParsnip> Zungo: could report a bug
[22:07] <BlueEagle> newby: Well there you go. If it works then it works. Just file the bug on the software saying they are not in use.
[22:07] <IntuitiveNipple> Zungo: have you tried adding "nomodeset" to the grub linux boot cmdline?
[22:07] <Zungo> IntuitiveNipple: no, why i would need it?
[22:08] <Zungo> because i want working graphics -.-
[22:08] <dalton2345> is there problems with ubuntu 64 bit versions?
[22:08] <jrib> dalton2345: your question is too vague.  Are *you* having a specific problem?
[22:08] <GRMrGecko> Booting Ubuntu Desktop 12.04 ppc install cd on my PowerMac G4, it goes black after displaying the open firmware initialization screen.
[22:09] <Tm0> @IntuitiveNipple This still doesn't make the package visiable. to the installer.
[22:09] <IntuitiveNipple> Zungo: on mine I have this in /etc/default/grub
[22:09] <BlueEagle> dalton2345: Are you experiencing any problems with it? Did you check !bugs ?
[22:09] <IntuitiveNipple> Zungo: # for plymouth splash on nvidia add: video=uvesafb:mode_option='1024x768-32',mtrr=3,scroll=ywrap"
[22:09] <BlueEagle> !bugs | dalton2345
[22:09] <IntuitiveNipple> Tm0: show me in a pastebin what "apt-cache policy nvidia-current && apt-get install nvidia-current" does
[22:10] <Tm0> I can't connect VIA SSH nor can I pastebin. The best I could do is a cellphone shot if that's okay.
[22:10] <Zungo> IntuitiveNipple: dude, im using ati radeon xpress 200 -.-
[22:10] <IntuitiveNipple> Tm0: ahh ok ... can you type the jist of the messages for me?
[22:10] <Tm0> @IntuitiveNipple This I can do
[22:11] <IntuitiveNipple> Zungo: sorry, thought I saw someone mentioning nvidia ... same solution can help if you want graphics splash for grub/plymouth
[22:11] <ActionParsnip> Zungo: the resolution bit in the grub file amy just do it, have yyou rebooted yet?
[22:11] <AndreeeCZ> hi. I have this problem installing xubuntu 11.10 (same with newest). Installing via usb flash, but when I choose any option, it does nothing and gives me a blinking cursor only. Would anyone help pls?
[22:12] <IntuitiveNipple> ^^^^ what ActionParsnip said
[22:12] <Zungo> IntuitiveNipple: it was ActionParsnip's card
[22:12] <ActionParsnip> AndreeeCZ: what video chip do you use?
[22:12] <IntuitiveNipple> Zungo: haha! tiredness is a killer
[22:12] <nicklas_> hello?
[22:12] <dalton2345> yes i have problems with internet, connection is very slow
[22:12] <pfifo> nicklas_, hi
[22:12] <Zungo> ActionParsnip: no, im chatting with the target system...
[22:12] <nicklas_> so noone really knows the answer to my question?
[22:12] <ActionParsnip> Zungo: don't you think you should......
[22:13] <pfifo> nicklas_, ask it again
[22:13] <Zungo> nicklas_: what's ur question...
[22:13] <Tm0> @IntuitiveNipple It used to tell me the package name and that it was in restricted, now it does not do so.
[22:13] <nicklas_> maybe noone even sees my question at all, soo flooded here
[22:13] <Zungo> nevermind, will reconnect back after!
[22:13] <Zungo> byes
[22:13] <nicklas_> how much can you change the looks of unity? like, can yuo get a traditional menu icon, can you get workspace switcher in panel, and can you remove the left side panel?
[22:13] <AndreeeCZ> ActionParsnip: seems like the problematic GMA somthing
[22:13] <ActionParsnip> nicklas_: you  can't remove the left panel, you could set it to autohide and set the sensitivity really low
[22:13] <pfifo> nicklas_, There was just a huge lag I noticed, might have gotten lost
[22:14] <ActionParsnip> AndreeeCZ: try the boot option:  nomodeset
[22:14] <geck0> Hi. Ubuntu 12.04.  How would I go about disable/enable of the WINDOWS key in the terminal?  Thanks.
[22:14] <ActionParsnip> nicklas_: the workspace switcher is default in unity..
[22:14] <ActionParsnip> geck0: it's called Mod4 or SuperL in Linux
[22:15] <IntuitiveNipple> Tm0: long shot but how about trying "apt-get install pastebinit" then, if it is installed, you can show us what is going on directly from the bad puppy PC
[22:15] <nicklas_> using sabayon and gentoo, but tired of all the work in those dists, so thinking of going back to easy to use dists, and ubuntu land is the choice for me, but need to know if you can change looks in unity first before i choose ubunt, kubuntu or xubuntu
[22:15] <nicklas_> ActionParsnip: ok
[22:15] <geck0> ActionParsnip, I take it that's a clue. :)  So I'll have to google around looking for those clues?
[22:15] <nicklas_> pfifo: ok
[22:15] <ActionParsnip> !shortcut
[22:15] <Tm0> @IntuitiveNipple That installed
[22:15] <AndreeeCZ> ActionParsnip: no difference
[22:15] <ActionParsnip> geck0: could set the win key to do nothing :)
[22:16] <AndreeeCZ> ActionParsnip: i used .... quiet persistent nomodeset
[22:16] <nicklas_> i want a panel on top, with menu and workspace switcher atleast, and docky at bottom
[22:16] <ActionParsnip> AndreeeCZ: or the safemodevga option
[22:16] <nicklas_> and tired of kde, so guess it will have to be xfce then
[22:16] <pfifo> nicklas_, IMHO unity is crap, if you are a power user investigate gnome3/xubuntu/lubuntu
[22:16] <scenic> BluesKaj, doesn't seem to have done the trick...
[22:16] <geck0> ActionParsnip, well its handy for unity, but it interferes with Urban Terror....and I think you know now where my priorities lie. :)  Thanks tho..google hit something with super l.
[22:16] <scenic> and i did restart
[22:16] <IntuitiveNipple> Tm0: OK, now try this: apt-cache policy nvidia-current | pastebinit
[22:16] <ActionParsnip> nicklas_: or LXDE, or openbox / fluxbox on it's own, or awesome, or flwm
[22:16] <fhuicrhecuierhcu> Simple question. Is there any way to burn a disc in an Ubuntu session from a Live CD, if the drive with the Live CD is the only CD/DVD drive in the system?
[22:17] <Zungo> ook, im on my fedora box
[22:17] <Zungo> this is much different
[22:17] <Zungo> also
[22:17] <ActionParsnip> Zungo: IRCing as root isn't wise
[22:17] <Zungo> anyone knows how i can switch grubs?
[22:17] <fhuicrhecuierhcu> It goes all wonky when I eject the Live CD during the session. Is there no way to simply load the entire CD in memory (I have 4GB RAM) and continue with that so I can insert a different CD?
[22:17] <nicklas_> ive used the boxes and ratpoison, awesome etcetera, want a gui de
[22:17] <geck0> fhuicrhecuierhcu, you can try loading live ubuntu to RAM then eject.
[22:17] <Zungo> because i been using fedora one
[22:17] <AndreeeCZ> ActionParsnip: no difference :). I would just like to enter the rescue mode, that would help me alot.
[22:18] <fhuicrhecuierhcu> geck0; ah, wonderful. How do I do that?
[22:18] <Zungo> and now upgrade to precise had put ubuntu's grub
[22:18] <Zungo> ...
[22:18] <nicklas_> is there a lubuntu cahnnel?
[22:18] <Zungo> guys=?
[22:18] <Zungo> nicklas_: yeah
[22:18] <pfifo> nicklas_, xubuntu is almost identical to old gnome2
[22:18] <AndreeeCZ> ActionParsnip: but when i select Help, i see dots being written, lots of them, fast.
[22:18] <Tm0> @IntuitiveNipple http://paste.ubuntu.com/980704/ here you go sir
[22:18] <kayve> I'm having issues with my Classic Gnome in Ubuntu 12.04
[22:18] <ActionParsnip> AndreeeCZ: add the boot option:  vga=771
[22:18] <pfifo> !lubuntu | nicklas_
[22:19] <AndreeeCZ> ActionParsnip: no difference
[22:19] <Guest555> im trying to use hdparm to adjust the IO_support settings of an external hdd however im getting the following error: HDIO_SET_32BIT failed: Invalid argument. Anyone advise what im doing wrong?
[22:19] <Zungo> err, some help? ubuntu installation is bad... what i can do to update it?
[22:19] <ActionParsnip> AndreeeCZ: could try the alternate ISO, it installs in text mode
[22:19] <Tm0> @IntuitiveNipple would  you like a vi of my sources file?
[22:19] <pfifo> Zungo, reinstall
[22:19] <Zungo> pfifo: dude... why?
[22:19] <sw0rdfish> wow ActionParsnip I didn't know that (wicd) was the solution for the WLAN problem on 12.04 .... now all I gotta do is find a guide to make it my default network manager an stick it to the tray
[22:19] <IntuitiveNipple> Tm0: That's much better.. OK, I checked and the package IS on the archive server... so now do for me "apt-get install nvidia-current | pastebinit"
[22:20] <scenic> BluesKaj, i'm trying to view my camera via vlc, and i get
[22:20] <pfifo> Zungo, well, why not?
[22:20] <AndreeeCZ> ActionParsnip: i AM running from alternate CD. But when i select ANY option, i end up with blinking cursor..
[22:20] <BlueEagle> dalton2345: And you believe this to be caused by Ubuntu, why?
[22:20] <scenic> [0x7fcff00029a8] access_dv access error: raw1394 - failed to set set port: Invalid argument.access_dv access error: failed to open a Firewire (IEEE1394) connection
[22:20] <pfifo> Zungo, fresh install
[22:20] <Zungo> im just having serious resoultion iusses..... in ubuntu installation:
[22:20] <Zungo> pfifo: wtf,
[22:20] <ichbinder> hello. A question: I want to back up my whole home. The .wine folder is origianlly 11G huge. Now, when I did "$ cp -rL --preserve=all .* /mnt/backup" in my home, this folder grew up to over 220 GB. How could that happen and what did I do wrong?
[22:20]  * Zungo sets reinstall as last resort
[22:20] <fhuicrhecuierhcu> Ah, never mind. It's probably faster to just install Ubuntu and then use the installation to burn
[22:21] <pfifo> Zungo, what exactly is the problem?
[22:21] <geck0> ichbinder, consider tar.gz instead
[22:21] <Zungo> pfifo: kernel resolution is not autodetect like in fedora
[22:21] <BlueEagle> ichbinder: Just out of curiousity; how did you determine the size to 11GB to begin with?
[22:21] <Zungo> looks like something wrong with driver idk,
[22:21] <BlueEagle> ichbinder: ..and did you get the T-shirt to prove it? :)
[22:22] <ichbinder> geck0: the original disk has not enough space to tar it there... :-/
[22:22] <Zungo> the *same* driver works great in fedora
[22:22] <Zungo> might be because idk... wrong?
[22:22] <OerHeks> Zungo fedora/gnome2 ?
[22:22] <geck0> ichbinder, external HDD/thumb drive?  You attempted to copy it somewhere so it's obvious you have space somewhere.....
[22:22] <Zungo> OerHeks: nope, fedora 16: gnome3
[22:22] <geck0> You can .tar to different place you know
[22:22] <Tm0> @IntuitiveNipple wouldn't i need to add a "y" in there somewhere else it'd hang forever?
[22:22] <ichbinder> BlueEagle: did that with "$ du --max-depth=0 -h"... I know that du is not the best way to do such things, but... I considered it okay. :-/
[22:22] <dalton2345> BlueEagle, not ubuntu, but the 64 bit version
[22:22]  * Zungo is banned from #fedora
[22:23] <pfifo> Zungo, ok, so Debian isnt Fedora, can you dive more details?
[22:23] <ichbinder> geck0: yeah, sure. So instead of doing a cp I should directly tar it to there?
[22:23] <geck0> ichbinder, yeah.. you want an example?
[22:23] <pfifo> give*
[22:23] <BlueEagle> dalton2345: I have Ubuntu 64-bit and my connection is peachy. :)
[22:23] <baki80> man irssi
[22:23] <IntuitiveNipple> Tm0: Good point Sherlock!
[22:23] <mcphail> ichbinder: is there a link loop?
[22:23] <ichbinder> geck0: naw, think I can do that
[22:23] <baki80> hi all :)
[22:23] <geck0> ichbinder, if you get stuck google tar home directory.. tons of examples
[22:24] <Tm0> @IntuitiveNipple apt-get install nvidia-current -y | pastebinit right?
[22:24] <ichbinder> mcphail: maybe, not sure. It's a whine folder, so it's very well possible that something is linked to somewhere...
[22:24] <dalton2345> BlueEagle, hehe thx for telling me ;)
[22:24] <Zungo> pfifo: well, for me, it looks like grub itself goes out of range without forcing 640 resolution, kernel doesn't change resolution like in fedora... idk what else
[22:24] <IntuitiveNipple> Tm0: yes
[22:24] <ichbinder> geck0: yeah, thanks! I will.
[22:24] <mcphail> ichbinder: there will probably be a link to your $HOME which will recurse back into .wine/
[22:24] <baki80> exit
[22:25] <pfifo> Zungo, your banned from fedora cause your running irc as root
[22:25] <baki80> join # ubuntu
[22:25] <Zungo> pfifo: lol
[22:25] <Tm0> @IntuitiveNipple apt-get install nvidia-current -y | pastebinit Is hanging still.
[22:25] <geck0> Zungo, bad bad idea btw.
[22:25] <IntuitiveNipple> Tm0: Grrrrr
[22:25] <ichbinder> mcphail: hm... I canceled the copying at some point... at that point I received prompts in the shell on whether I want to overwrite files in this wine folder on the destination...
[22:25] <ichbinder> mcphail: so I guess you are right.
[22:26] <BlueEagle> dalton2345: You're welcome. Now, if you are experiencing a slow network link there are ways to test why. First you should determine if the issue is bandwidth or latency related. Then you should map out the entire link and check obvious bottle necks. It also helps to have a second system to test with.
[22:26] <Tm0> @IntuitiveNipple Without it it's seeming to install though.
[22:26] <Zungo> well... what can i do? cuz ubuntu installation is a big fail in graphics terms
[22:26] <Tm0> @IntuitiveNipple Pastebin is causing the hanging.
[22:26] <mcphail> ichbinder: have you considered a more automated backup solution such as rsnapshot?
[22:26] <GRMrGecko> How do I install Ubuntu Desktop 12.04 on a PowerMac G4?
[22:26] <pfifo> Zungo, resolution issues are pretty easy to deal with, write your own xorg.conf :)
[22:26] <IntuitiveNipple> Tm0: OK ... do this: apt-get install nvidia-current | tee /tmp/install.log && cat /tmp/install.log | pastebinit
[22:26] <Zungo> pfifo: it's not X, it's the system
[22:26] <ichbinder> geck0: so, to be honest: I started a tar process... but it to sooo freaking long as the home in total is about 600GB, I canceled and wanted to copy parts of my home first, like all hidden files and folders. So I could continue later on... that's why I switched to cp.
[22:27] <pfifo> Zungo, so your un happy with the consoles resolution?
[22:27] <Tm0> @IntuitiveNipple The driving is still installing on it's own, should I just let it finish?
[22:27] <ichbinder> mcphail: hm, it's only a one time "backup" as I need to clear the whole disk drive.... it's a raid 5 and all and I want to change stuff etc
[22:27] <IntuitiveNipple> Tm0: Yes!
[22:27] <Zungo> grub goes out of range if not force 640, kernel doesn't auto change resolution
[22:27] <Zungo> in fedora: autodetect works
[22:28] <Zungo> im now using irssi in 1280x1024....
[22:28] <Zungo> in ubuntu
[22:28] <Zungo> only 640x480 i think
[22:28] <Simkin> lol
[22:28] <Simkin> isn't irssi text only?
[22:28] <Zungo> pfifo: well, what can i do then?
[22:28] <Simkin> what are you doing.
[22:28] <ichbinder> mcphail:  I started a tar process... but it took sooo freaking long as the home in total is about 600GB, I canceled and wanted to copy parts of my home first, like all hidden files and folders. So I could continue later on... that's why I switched to cp.
[22:28] <Zungo> Simkin: yeah, im running in console+
[22:28] <IntuitiveNipple> Zungo: It may be to do with which if any framebuffer drivers are being loaded?
[22:28] <Zungo> IntuitiveNipple: ugh, idk
[22:28] <pfifo> Zungo, switch to using gui tools
[22:28] <zaitzev> hi guys
[22:29] <Simkin> ichbinder: why nt jusst use rsync
[22:29] <dalton2345> BlueEagle, thx... i think i found a solution
[22:29] <Simkin> ichbinder: you can run it, keep working, and rn it later to just copy what changed since last 'backup'
[22:29] <Zungo> umm, just, how i get working radeon driver in ubuntu?
[22:29] <Zungo> looks like it works badly -.-
[22:29] <mcphail> ichbinder: ok. Good luck. But I'd suggest you check out a more robust backup solution if you have that amount of data. And, of course, RAID is not backup
[22:29] <pfifo> !radeon
[22:29] <pfifo> ^ Zungo
[22:29] <Zungo> also, any fedora equivalent for 'update-grub' command?
[22:30] <BlueEagle> dalton2345: Good, laddy!
[22:30] <pfifo> Zungo, yeah, update-grub
[22:30] <Zungo> pfifo: nope, doesn't work
[22:30] <pfifo> Zungo, `sudo apt-get install grub-pc`
[22:30] <Zungo> not found
[22:30] <Zungo> pfifo: IT'S FEDORA, NOT UBUNTU
[22:31] <ichbinder> mcphail: yeah sure Raid is not backup. That wasn't the point. I need to move the data so I can split up the raid and change stuff. That's why I just want to copy my home to an external HDD and then, after installing a new linux and all, copy it back. And in best case, be able to do that in copying in multiple terms as I can't have it running for 10 hours or so
[22:31] <Tm0> @IntuitiveNipple It's done! Now to make it the default I want to run "nvidia-xconfig" right?
[22:31] <pfifo> Zungo, ohh, ask in #fedora
[22:31] <ichbinder> Simkin: hm... somehow true. I might consider doing that. :)
[22:31] <ichbinder> thanks
[22:32] <IntuitiveNipple> Tm0: If you've installed nvidia-current it should be the default now. I leave X to auto-configure everything
[22:32] <Tm0> @IntuitiveNipple So reboot and hope?
[22:32] <mcphail> ichbinder: +1 rsync
[22:32] <Zungo> pfifo: dude, don't know im banned from there!? WTF
[22:32] <IntuitiveNipple> Tm0: I run the nvidia driver with dual screens and Twinview .... yes, reboot and good luck!
[22:32] <Simkin> ichbinder: also trivial to send the backup to another machine.
[22:32] <Guest555> im trying to use hdparm to adjust the IO_support settings of an external hdd however im getting the following error: HDIO_SET_32BIT failed: Invalid argument. Anyone help?
[22:32] <Simkin> ichbinder: which is a pretty big bonus imho!
[22:33] <Tm0> @IntuitiveNipple I a similiar setup :P Twinview is what I need to do? (Later on of course, today I think I've "installed" enough.)
[22:33] <Simkin> Guest555: sounds like your drive doesn't support it.
[22:33] <ichbinder> Simkin, mcphail: ok, a question I long didn't dare to ask and might be able to search for... does rsync store the information on file differences somewhere and if so, where? somewhere on destination?
[22:34] <IntuitiveNipple> Tm0: Yes, in nvidia-x-settings enable the 2nd screen by setting it from disabled to Twinview and then set its position relative to your primary screen
[22:34] <mcphail> ichbinder: it doesn't store diffs
[22:34] <Simkin> ichbinder: you can tell it to. but i dunno why you would want to.
[22:34] <kontagious> hello, when i updated my ubuntu my wireless stopped working. can someone help me out? thanks
[22:35] <NeedInterwebz> Hey guys, can anyone help me remedy a dns lookup failure?
[22:35] <ichbinder> mcphail, Simkin: so each time, it compares all files in dest with all files in source?
[22:35] <Tm0> @IntuitiveNipple It started without a UI (TTY1).
[22:35] <rakshasa> Can anyone tell me how to install the Intel 12.02 graphics package, it contains support for the Intel HD graphics 3000 which I need
[22:35] <Simkin> ichbinder: yup
[22:35] <mcphail> ichbinder: it compares quick hashes of the files
[22:35] <Simkin> ichbinder: i have no idea how it does it so fast
[22:36] <IntuitiveNipple> Tm0: you mean after GRUB the screen was blank?
[22:36] <Simkin> ichbinder: but it does.
[22:36] <scenic> i'm looking for a solution to stream via internet from a firewire capture card, vlc not working, and google not helping.
[22:36] <JessicaW> Can anyone recommend a good backup program for server that's incremental and backs up on the fly? preferably the whole partition?
[22:36] <ichbinder> mcphail, Simkin: ah, ok. So with hashes... als wondered how it could be so fast, given the bottle neck of I/O and the number of hundreds of thousands of files
[22:36] <Tm0> @IntuitiveNipple I may just be the greatest idiot ever to live, please allow me two minutes to bash my head and check something.
[22:37] <mcphail> ichbinder: it is a clever piece of software
[22:37] <Guest555> thanks for replying simkin, im trying to enable 16bit (-c0) vs 32bit which is what it has been set to as default but it keeps throwing up that error
[22:37] <IntuitiveNipple> Tm0: Oh I know that feeling about twice a day!
[22:37] <Tm0> @IntuitiveNipple I think I may have installed Ubuntu-USB instead of UbuntuDesktop
[22:37] <Gape> Hello, when gddrescue is used to backup a partition, it copies empty parts of it as well?
[22:38] <IntuitiveNipple> Tm0 :O
[22:38] <mcphail> ichbinder: honestly - have a look at rsnapshot. It uses rsync to prepare incremental backups and hard-links them to save space.
[22:38] <Tm0> @IntuitiveNipple I may cry if that's the case.
[22:38] <Gape> I'm copying a 100GB partition where only 50GB is used and it looks like it's already at 70GB :/
[22:38] <ichbinder> mcphail: I should? even for a one time copy like this here?
[22:38] <rakshasa> Can anyone tell me how to install the Intel 12.02 graphics package, it contains support for the Intel HD graphics 3000 which I need, its really urgent since my graphics card is not detected thus I am unable to set monitor setting
[22:39] <IntuitiveNipple> Tm0: No reason for it not be the full desktop experience though, the USB installers run Live or install desktop
[22:39] <Tm0> @IntuitiveNipple I'm trying to "startx" and nothing is running.
[22:40] <mcphail> ichbinder: why not? Your 1 time copy might become a valuable backup strategy in the future. At the very least consider rsync
[22:40] <IntuitiveNipple> Tm0: do "sudo service lightdm start"
[22:40] <kontagious> hello, when i updated my ubuntu my wireless stopped working. can someone help me out? thanks
[22:40] <NeedInterwebz> Hey everyone, if anyone could help me with some network issues (they're probably simple for you guys) that would be greatly appreciated
[22:40] <IntuitiveNipple> Tm0: I am assuming you're using precise?
[22:40] <ichbinder> mcphail: I knew rsync before, just never considered it an offline backup tool like here... :-/
[22:40] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: Explain your DNS failure
[22:40] <ichbinder> mcphail: and thanks, rsnapshot is new to me, I'll have a look!
[22:40] <Tm0> @IntuitiveNipple Yes and one moment, just allowing root access
[22:41] <NeedInterwebz> Sure
[22:41] <mcphail> ichbinder: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/217
[22:41] <NeedInterwebz> Essentially there's a home network that I can connect to no trouble on my windows side
[22:41] <ksokhna> hi
[22:41] <JessicaW> Can anyone recommend a good backup program for server that's incremental and backs up on the fly? preferably the whole partition?
[22:41] <NeedInterwebz> but on ubuntu it has dns lookup failure, and I'm not really sure as to why
[22:42] <NeedInterwebz> and it's not the 12.04 update because I had wireless working on a different network after the update
[22:42] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: how is the Ubuntu PC connected to the local area network? Wired or Wireless?
[22:42] <NeedInterwebz> wireless
[22:42] <Tm0> @IntuitiveNipple Service is not recognized. :/
[22:42] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: Does the network manager applet (top right of the screen) list the WiFi network when the drop-down list appears after you click the icon?
[22:43] <NeedInterwebz> Yeah, and it says it's connected to it no problems
[22:43] <Gape> How would I easily backup whole partitions, but only the 'used' parts of it? I'm trying to backup my old windows/ubuntu installs as they don't boot anymore, I tried using ddrescue but for some reason it copies empty space as well. If i try to just copy, I get some errors about links.
[22:43] <kontagious> my network manager does not list wireless connections
[22:43] <mcphail> JessicaW: how "on-the-fly" do you need?
[22:43] <Tm0> @IntuitiveNipple At this point I'm assuming the problem is I don't have X or a WM/DE installed, I'm gonna quickly fix that
[22:43] <IntuitiveNipple> Tm0: I'm thinking you installed Ubuntu Server from the Alternate installer or the Minimal install - that would explain the missing GUI and so forth
[22:43] <ichbinder> mcphail: that article is nice! looks really convenient!
[22:43] <ichbinder> mcphail: thank you!!!
[22:43] <IntuitiveNipple> Tm0: do "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop"
[22:43] <mcphail> ichbinder: good luck
[22:44] <zykotic10> IntuitiveNipple: server doesn't come with a GUI by default
[22:44] <JessicaW> mcphail: I'm trying to avoid shutting down the server. I know that's hard but, rsync flips out when you try to copy an entire 1.2tb partition.
[22:44] <IntuitiveNipple> zykotic10: And he ain't got one :D
[22:45] <Tm0> @IntuitiveNipple Just checked for LAMP, nothing there so likely not server must not have selected anything... That command seems to be working. Thank you for all your help so far man! I really appreiate it! My UUB wasn't much help this time so this community was really welcoming and nice
[22:45] <mongo> Gape: ntfsclone will make a sparse image, but you need to make sure to use copy tools that understand sparse files or it will grow when you move it
[22:45] <mcphail> JessicaW: sorry - I haven't had any problems with rsync on large partitions but the largest I've used is 750GB
[22:45] <JessicaW> mcphail: I'm just not finding any decent alternatives. everything wants to you reboot and do it from livecd
[22:45] <IntuitiveNipple> Tm0: We all make these mistakes ... as long a we learn from them!
[22:45] <JessicaW> mcphail: I tried dd too.
[22:45] <mcphail> JessicaW: what "flipping out" happens?
[22:46] <Tm0> @IntuitiveNipple Lesson learned. Always make sure my motherboard has onboard graphics. :P
[22:46] <JessicaW> mcphail: I get all sorts of errors. even when I run as root.
[22:46] <kontagious> hello, when i updated my ubuntu my wireless stopped working. can someone help me out? thanks
[22:46] <scenic> my firewire card is recognized by my 12.04, but  i can't see any video :(
[22:46] <JessicaW> mcphail: mostly permission errors. access denied.
[22:46] <scenic> i tried via kino, and via dvgrab -i
[22:46] <nictrasavios_> join #bash
[22:47] <mcphail> JessicaW: have you exluded it from recursing into special files/directories like /dev ?
[22:47] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: Does all DNS resolution fail? or just some sites?
[22:47] <NeedInterwebz> all of it. and actually I think it's deeper than that
[22:47] <JessicaW> mcphail: doing that now. there's a lot of those though...
[22:47] <NeedInterwebz> the icon says it's connected, but I can't even successfully ping the gateway...
[22:48] <Gape> mongo: Hmm ntfsclone doesn't clone empty part of partition?
[22:48] <JessicaW> mcphail: and I was TRYING to be lazy.... ;)
[22:48] <mcphail> JessicaW: there aren't as many as you think. And when you get it configured once it will work forever ;)
[22:48] <mcphail> JessicaW: no reason dd shouldn't work, though...
[22:48] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: can you go to a terminal so we can type some commands to find out?
[22:48] <NeedInterwebz> sure, already there
[22:48] <Guest555> im trying to use hdparm to adjust the IO_support settings of an external hdd however im getting the following error: HDIO_SET_32BIT failed: Invalid argument. I'm trying to enable 16bit from 32bit. Anyone help?
[22:49] <bcuraboy> hi guys. need some help.the screen of my laptop goes black after a while.it happens in bth sessions: mine and in guest session
[22:49] <JonEdney> bcuraboy, is it turning off, or just going black?
[22:49] <bcuraboy> what could be the reason?the energy settings are all ok
[22:49] <JessicaW> mcphail: I was going to dd the entire partition but I read that linux couldn't be running if you did that.
[22:49] <bcuraboy> just going black
[22:49] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: do you get anything from this other than the "lo..." line? ifconfig | grep -B 1 'inet addr'
[22:50] <mcphail> JessicaW: I suppose it might stutter if the filesystem is written to as it runs
[22:50] <NeedInterwebz> I did get wlan0
[22:50] <JonEdney> bcuraboy, Check in the System Settings for your display settings, is it set to go off?
[22:50] <pappijo> Hi everyone! I've just installed step (physics simulator from kdedu) and when I run it I get this strange message: step: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkhtml.so.5: undefined symbol: _ZN6Phonon11VideoPlayer5eventEP6QEvent PLEASE HELP ME!!!!
[22:50] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: Can you show me what "ifconfig wlan0" shows?
[22:50] <mcphail> JessicaW: rsync is your best bet. And it is better to point it at what you need to backup rather than excluding things you don't
[22:51] <NeedInterwebz> yeah, I'll have to type it out so it'll be a second
[22:51] <mcphail> JessicaW: and see my /lastlog for a pointer about rsnapshot which I _love_
[22:51] <JessicaW> Personally, I'd like to backup everything. In case of emergency, we could just drop on the image and keep going.
[22:52] <JessicaW> mcphail: yeah, I was reading on that. kind of like grsync or rdiff right?
[22:52] <bcuraboy> JonEdney, what u mean?in the monitors or in the nvidia settings?
[22:52] <NeedInterwebz> Link encap:Ethernet   HWaddr 00:21:6a:39:8d:16  inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>  BCast:<IP_ADDRESS>  Mask:<IP_ADDRESS>
[22:52] <mcphail> JessicaW: special files are created on-the-fly. There is no point backing them up and they wouldn't be included in an offline dd image anyway
[22:52] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: If you have a USB stick you could use it to save output to and shuttle between the naughty PC and this one :)
[22:52] <JonEdney> bcuraboy, Shouldnt have anything to do with your GFX card settings (at least I would assume).
[22:52] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: ok, that's enough for me
[22:52] <bcuraboy> i also have created a backup of my files a few days ago when everything was fine
[22:53] <NeedInterwebz> Haha yeah, I don't have one atm >.> that's good though
[22:53] <bcuraboy> but i've restored the files and the problem persists
[22:53] <JonEdney> bcuraboy, Interesting.
[22:53] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: ok... now check if this gives anything: ip route show | grep default
[22:53] <JessicaW> mcphail: good point.
[22:53] <JonEdney> bcuraboy, 12.04?
[22:53] <JessicaW> mcphail: let me look into rsnapshot some more.
[22:53] <bcuraboy> ya
[22:53] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: It should report a default via A.B.C.D wlan0 ....
[22:53] <kontagious> hello, when i updated my ubuntu my wireless stopped working. can someone help me out? thanks
[22:53] <bcuraboy> the time of the black screen is about 5 minutes
[22:53] <NeedInterwebz> Sure does
[22:54] <NeedInterwebz> default via <IP_ADDRESS> dev wlan0 proto static
[22:54] <NeedInterwebz> which is the ip of my gateway
[22:54] <JonEdney> bcuraboy, So when you move your mouse or something, it doesn't come back up?
[22:54] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: Great!
[22:54] <bcuraboy> it comes back
[22:54] <mcphail> JessicaW: i have heard good things about rdiff but have never used it
[22:54] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: can you ping <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[22:54] <pappijo> Hi everyone! I've just installed step (physics simulator from kdedu) and when I run it I get this strange message: step: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkhtml.so.5: undefined symbol: _ZN6Phonon11VideoPlayer5eventEP6QEvent PLEASE HELP ME!!!!
[22:54] <NeedInterwebz> I can't
[22:54] <NeedInterwebz> Destination Host Unreachable
[22:54] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: haha!
[22:55] <JonEdney> bcuraboy, I'm stumped.  Maybe someone else may have an idea.
[22:55] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: OK ... another command for you in a mo when I've tested it here...
[22:55] <NeedInterwebz> sure thing, I appreciate it!
[22:55] <bcuraboy> the whole story: i had installed x-screensaver and wallch
[22:55] <mcphail> JessicaW: the other option is to run your server in a virtual machine and make snapshots of that. I _think_ vmware can do that when the guest is online
[22:55] <bcuraboy> but i think i've removed all the entries
[22:56] <moreisee> I had my laptop hooked up to an external monitor, with it set as default (laptop monitor off). Now when I try to boot, it flashes the purple ubuntu screen before dissapearing (I assume it went to where the monitor would be if it were plugged in), I don't have access to an external monitor at the moment, any way to change the default back?
[22:56] <bcuraboy> i've looked in my hidden files and in home directory for config files of it
[22:56] <JessicaW> mcphail: vm could not handle the processing this machine does.
[22:56] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: ip route show | grep '192\.168\.1' ... if you can type the results leaving out things like proto kernel scopr link metric to save time
[22:56] <bcuraboy> at this point there's no more wallch and x-screensaver
[22:56] <JessicaW> mcphail: 16 processors, 512GB ram.
[22:57] <JessicaW> mcphail: for crunching DNA/RNA sequences
[22:57] <szal> 16 processors?
[22:57] <NeedInterwebz> so the same ip route line from last time
[22:57] <IntuitiveNipple> moreisee: from a terminal, sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.mybackup
[22:57] <mcphail> JessicaW: nice
[22:57] <cypher-neo> I have a question. When I turned on my laptop, the mouse driver loaded, but not the touchpad driver. Is there a way to load that driver, without needing to restart the computer?
[22:57] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: yes but we're after different info
[22:57] <platinum> hey everyone, where can I ask a really newbie question about ubuntu server?
[22:57] <NeedInterwebz> and then <IP_ADDRESS>/24 dev wlan0 src <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:58] <lorph> has anyone noticed that crontjobs on @reboot start 2 minutes later in 12.04?
[22:58] <lorph> or is it not supposed to do that
[22:58] <moreisee> IntuitiveNipple, cool, I'll give that a shot, thanks.
[22:58] <azend> platinum: here
[22:58] <platinum> azend, thanks.
[22:58] <mcphail> lorph: seriously??
[22:58] <azend> or your loco hub
[22:58] <lorph> mcphail: yes that's what i am seeing
[22:58]  * mcphail panics
[22:58] <lorph> i upgraded 3 of my servers to ubuntu 12.04 and the cronjobs were all delayed a few minutes
[22:59] <bcuraboy> is there other way to restore my ubuntu to the original state when i installed?
[22:59] <lorph> so I thought they didn't run
[22:59] <mcphail> lorph: I'll need to check that when I'm home at the weekend. Thanks for the heads-up
[22:59] <lorph> mcphail: maybe i did something wrong, that's why i'm asking
[22:59] <platinum> okay here goes. I set up a ubuntu server 64 bit on an IBM xServer like. 6 years ago. Now I want to upgrade, but found you can only do fresh install when it's that old. I have not touched the server since I set it up and forgot what I did. Is there any way to keep settings (hostname, apache setup, ip addresses and such)?
[23:00] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: just thinking here ... head hurts :D
[23:00] <NeedInterwebz> Haha it's all good. Mine too, otherwise I wouldn't have come here...
[23:00] <NeedInterwebz> self imposed F for my compsci major -.-'
[23:00] <ellis> platinum: do you remember what/if any settings you made when you set up the server?
[23:00] <mcphail> lorph: I can't check on this machine as it's on the previous LTS. But my server at home brings up various things @reboot which need to run then
[23:01] <bcuraboy> is there other way to restore my ubuntu to the original state when i installed?
[23:01] <filo1234> NeedInterwebz: cat /etc/resolv.conf what shows?
[23:01] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: The only thing I can think of right now is that there are firewall rules either on <IP_ADDRESS> OR on the Ubuntu PC itself that are denying all connections
[23:01] <IntuitiveNipple> filo1234: He can't even ping the gateway that gave the PC the DHCP assignment
[23:01] <platinum> ellis: it acts as a firewall and proxy and has squid, apache2, and squidGuard. other than that, no. The thing has worked like a dream so I haven't messed with it. Also I don't have much linux experience. :)
[23:02] <NeedInterwebz> it's got "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>     search socal.rr.com"
[23:02] <lorph> mcphail: i was able to login to the server and the @reboot jobs didn't run until 2 minutes after boot. I suppose they still started after reboot, but i don't see the need for the long delay
[23:02] <scenic> can i find a log of this irc?
[23:02] <foobar123452432> How do I check
 why the need to upgrade then? :)
[23:02] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: Have you ever customised the /etc/network/interfaces file?
[23:02] <foobar123452432> to see if hardware acceleration is enabled
[23:02] <foobar123452432> ?
[23:02] <foobar123452432> Anyone?
[23:02] <lorph> I accidentally started the programs manually and ended up running 2 copies of each program
[23:02] <NeedInterwebz> no, should I? lol
[23:02] <a8s0lut0> anyone available to chat about problems i'm having with an out of the box 12.04 mythbuntu setup?
[23:03] <Flannel> !log | scenic
[23:03] <platinum> ellis, I know.. I have been doing the "if it aint broke" for many years, but it's running like 6.04 or something and I do worry about the lack of updates/support. I'd like to go to 12.04 LTS.
[23:03] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: That resolv.conf should read, I think, "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>"
[23:03] <scenic> thx Flannel
[23:03] <mcphail> lorph: I'll check it out. Has anyone filed a bug?
[23:03] <NeedInterwebz> It says "DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN"
[23:03] <NeedInterwebz> So...
[23:03] <NeedInterwebz> lol
[23:03] <ellis> platinum: yeah It's a good time to change since it's right after the release of an LTS version
[23:03] <filo1234> NeedInterwebz: try to edit
[23:04] <foobar123452432> :(
[23:04] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: Well, if that file had been touched it is possible that the assignments aren't coming from the network but from that file, and they could be wrong. You said it worked on another network ... maybe that was the other network's settings...
[23:04] <NeedInterwebz> k let me copy the original there first
[23:04] <filo1234> NeedInterwebz: echo "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>" | sudo tee /etc/resolv.conf
[23:04] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: Do you get anything from "cat /etc/network/interfaces | grep wlan"  ?
[23:04] <platinum> ellis, yep that's what I was thinking. :) but it sure would save time if I could transfer some of my settings and not try to do the whole thing from scratch again. And I'd like it to be as transparent to the users as possible.
[23:04] <NeedInterwebz> I don't
[23:04] <ellis> platinum: If you have an external HD that's big enough to clone your filesystem, it's incredibly easy to do that. So clone the files, reformat your computer then just copy settings/files from your clone as and when you find things that need configuring
[23:04] <filo1234> NeedInterwebz: is not a problem it will be recreate to default
[23:05] <todor> has anyone had luck with enabling dm-multipath during 12.04 installation ?
[23:05] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: That's good :) Do as filo recommends now
[23:05] <ellis> platinum: would result in system down time though, if that's critical
[23:05] <mongo> todor: best to just configure it after the install
[23:05] <filo1234> NeedInterwebz: so cat /etc/network/interfaces can help us
[23:05] <rakshasa> Can anyone tell me how I go about installing the ntel 12.02 graphics package
[23:06] <NeedInterwebz> okay I ran that command
[23:06] <todor> mongo: i am trying to do SAN booting so my root is on a mpath device too
[23:06] <filo1234> NeedInterwebz: try ping
[23:06] <platinum> Hi ellis, I can do this over a weekend so some downtime is OK. I have a usb drive I use for backups, but unfortunately it uses smbfs for the backups because the server wouldn't boot with the drive plugged in. Would that be an issue?
[23:06] <NeedInterwebz> still unreachable
[23:06] <filo1234> NeedInterwebz: well cat /etc/network/interfaces
[23:07] <bcuraboy> how can i revert my ubuntu 12.04 to the original state of installation?
[23:07] <filo1234> NeedInterwebz: can you ping -c3 localhost?
[23:07] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: try pinging my server IP: ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:07] <NeedInterwebz> auto lo                 iface lo inet loopback
[23:07] <NeedInterwebz> that's the interfaces
[23:07] <mongo> bcuraboy: reinstall
[23:07] <filo1234> NeedInterwebz: ok
[23:07] <NeedInterwebz> I can ping localhost
[23:07] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: that's a good 'interfaces' files, not been touched
[23:07] <bcuraboy> and my files?lost?
[23:07] <filo1234> NeedInterwebz: uhmmm
[23:08] <mongo> bcuraboy: well those files didn't come installed
[23:08] <NeedInterwebz> your server is unreachable
[23:08] <ellis> platinum: as long as you can copy files back and forth from the drive, then that's all that matters. All you're really doing is copying every single file from the computer over to the drive, then you can selectively copy important ones back again once you're on 12.04
[23:08] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: Do you have a network cable you can connect to the router with?
[23:08] <mongo> bcuraboy: copy those files off onto a usb drive
[23:08] <NeedInterwebz> Hmm I'm not sure.  I just flew out so all my stuff is back home
[23:08] <ellis> platinum: check this out https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Full_System_Backup_with_rsync
[23:08] <filo1234> NeedInterwebz: cat /etc/hosts
[23:08] <filo1234> NeedInterwebz: and hostname too
[23:09] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: try this: "sudo dhclient wlan0" and the check the log-file to see if the PC received a DHCPOFFER with "tail /var/log/syslog"
[23:10] <NeedInterwebz> hosts:     ip6-localhost ip6-loopback ip6-localnet ip6-mcastprefix ip6-allnodes ip6-allrouters
[23:10] <NeedInterwebz> hostname: ubuntu
[23:10] <NeedInterwebz> sorry that typing took forever lol
[23:10] <platinum> ellis, yes, okay that's great I just hope my config files will work with my newer versions and that I can find where they go :) Thanks for the article, I will try rsync, currently my backups are done with tar.
[23:10] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: You would expect to see a DHCPDISCOVER, DHCPREQUEST, DHCPOFFER, DHCPACK
[23:10] <filo1234> NeedInterwebz: only first 3 lines cat /etc/hosts | head -n 3
[23:10] <platinum> ellis, will I be able to copy some file that sets a runlevel (I think that's what it called) where there is no desktop? That's how it is currently configured.
[23:11] <filo1234> NeedInterwebz: but are you in a live session?
[23:11] <NeedInterwebz> what do you mean live session?
[23:11] <filo1234> NeedInterwebz: live cd
[23:11] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: booted from a live CD or USB stick
[23:11] <NeedInterwebz> nah, installed partition
[23:11] <filo1234> ok
[23:11] <NeedInterwebz> and the first 3 lines are
[23:11] <NeedInterwebz> localhost
[23:11] <NeedInterwebz> ubuntu.ubuntu-domain     ubuntu
[23:12] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: don't forget to try the dhclient and check the log
[23:12] <NeedInterwebz> and then the localhost, loopback, and localnet ip6's
[23:12] <filo1234> NeedInterwebz: so wrong IMHO
[23:12] <NeedInterwebz> It did receive a dhcpoffer
[23:12] <NeedInterwebz> and acknowledge
[23:12] <Tm0> @IntuitiveNipple It is done! Thank you great sir!
[23:12] <filo1234> NeedInterwebz: so edit /etc/hosts
[23:13] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: OK ... did it get to the DHCPACK ?
[23:13] <engammalsko> Can someone please help me send a mail from the command line?
[23:13] <IntuitiveNipple> Tm0: Fantastic! well done
[23:13] <NeedInterwebz> Yes
[23:13] <filo1234> wait
[23:13] <ellis> platinum: the benefit of rsync is that it's incredibly stupid. All it does it create a mirror image of your files which you can sift through, no need to unpack/compress etc. As for the runlevel, you'll have to ask some server gurus that, I don't know so much when it comes to Server setups. If you just want a computer without a graphic environment (command line), that'd be easy enough to do
[23:13] <NeedInterwebz> do I need the dhcp stuff in my hosts?
[23:13] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: OK ,lets go back to firewall issues. Have this PC had a firewall configured on it restrictively? UFW is there by default
[23:13] <NeedInterwebz> Nope, standard install
[23:14] <ellis> platinum: you wouldn't even need to change anything unless you wanted to, all Linux boxes can drop to the command line by just pressing Ctrl+Alt+F1/F2/F3/etc
[23:14] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: No you don't need that DHCP stuff, that just proved the PC is talking to the router and getting given the IP address
[23:14] <NeedInterwebz> alright
[23:14] <NeedInterwebz> Why on earth would I not be able to ping it if it's handing me dhcp
[23:14] <NeedInterwebz> wtf
[23:14] <Tm0> @IntuitiveNipple Thank you for all of your help today sir! I could not have done it without you!
[23:14] <filo1234> NeedInterwebz: http://paste.ubuntu.com/980783/
[23:14] <ellis> IntuitiveNipple: quality username
[23:14] <filo1234> NeedInterwebz: edit the first 2 lines on /etc/hosts
[23:15] <platinum> ellis, yes I have been reading the article about rsync and it looks like it will work really well for what I would need. An exact copy would be absolutely wonderful.  I do prefer that the server boots to a console though. Makes it easier for me since all the server stuff I do seems to use command line anyway.
[23:15] <engammalsko> I've been trying to fix things the whole 2 last days. Please I really need help with mail configuration. I've tried a lot but I just get timeout.
[23:15] <platinum> ellis, I am sure there are howtos on line since I have figured it out once before.
[23:15] <NeedInterwebz> isn't that already essentially what it is?
[23:15] <NeedInterwebz> I just left out the numbers lol I guess that's my bad
[23:15] <platinum> ellis, thank you very much for your help. I just need to figure out how I configured my RAID1 and partitions.
[23:16] <NeedInterwebz> the only difference is "ubuntu.ubuntu-domain ubuntu" vs "ubuntu ubuntu"
[23:16] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: as long as you have <IP_ADDRESS> in there
[23:16] <NeedInterwebz> yeah I have that and the <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:16] <ellis> platinum: yes I expect so. Uninstalling any graphic components should be easy enough. Don't even mention RAID to me haha, bad memories. no problem
[23:16] <sw0rdfish> in order to make wicd my default net manager I should remove network-manager-gnome right?
[23:17] <filo1234> NeedInterwebz: uhmm but try to remove .domain
[23:17] <filo1234> and put ubuntu
[23:17] <platinum> ellis thank you and have a good evening.
[23:17] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: did you try ping-ing my server? ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:17] <NeedInterwebz> yeah it didn't work
[23:17] <ellis> platinum: you too
[23:17] <sw0rdfish> ?
[23:17] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: it could be your router has icmp replies blocked
[23:17] <sw0rdfish> in order to make wicd my default net manager I should remove network-manager-gnome right????
[23:17] <EBB> I need help with Nvidia dual graphics
[23:17] <NeedInterwebz> well I'm trying webpages too lol
[23:18] <NeedInterwebz> and it's a standard install of the router, and linksys software doesn't do taht by default
[23:18] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: ok ... how about tracepath <IP_ADDRESS>  ... this might get as far as your router ... you can break it by pressing Ctrl+C
[23:18] <NeedInterwebz> that*
[23:18] <NeedInterwebz> fails at step 1
[23:18] <NeedInterwebz> doesn't even make it
[23:18] <EBB> Can someone help me with nvidia graphics
[23:18] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: The only other thing besides a firewall here is a bad route or ARP cache poisoning
[23:19] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: OK ... so it is looking to be local
[23:19] <filo1234> NeedInterwebz: sudo iptables -F
[23:19] <NeedInterwebz> yeah.. I just don't understand how the local error can go from working yesterday to not working today
[23:19] <NeedInterwebz> that returns nothing filo
[23:19] <brightsparks> Hi. I'm having trouble with a USB keyboard. At first it wouldn't work in boot up but would work after the system started. Now it seems to work in bootup but not after the system has started. Any solutions? Thanks.
[23:19] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: working on the same network?
[23:20] <filo1234> NeedInterwebz: ok try ping
[23:20] <NeedInterwebz> no, different network.  but if it was local why would it matter
[23:20] <NeedInterwebz> what should I ping?
[23:20] <jduranboger> !ping
[23:20] <filo1234> router
[23:20] <jduranboger> ping
[23:20] <NeedInterwebz> destination host unreachable
[23:20] <filo1234> or ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:20] <filo1234> ok
[23:21] <IntuitiveNipple> brightsparks: The motherboard's BIOS settings for "Legacy USB devices" needs to be enabled, and USB enabled generally too. sometimes those settings get reset
[23:21] <filo1234> NeedInterwebz: did you connected throu some proxy?
[23:21] <renode> anyone have a working tor/vidalia setup link?
[23:21] <filo1234> yesterday  I mean ^
[23:21] <NeedInterwebz> nope, the network was remembered from the last time I was here and it was working fine
[23:21] <thomasd> ok i have an issue a program called udevd started using 100% of my processer and made everything start running slowly
[23:21] <NeedInterwebz> just found it in the gui and entered the password
[23:21] <NeedInterwebz> everything was standard
[23:22] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: If it worked on a  different network then the problem here may be the router you are connecting to.... is it a public router or one you control? does it have any Wifi hotspot running on it?
[23:22] <NeedInterwebz> one I control, and I'm using it right now on this windows machine lol
[23:22] <filo1234> so are you connected on your own network???
[23:22] <brightsparks> IntuitiveNipple: yeah thanks. I have been switching those settings on and off to see if it would make a difference. But it doesn't seem to.
[23:22] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: OK, that helps!
[23:22] <NeedInterwebz> yes
[23:22] <NeedInterwebz> Yeah, when I switch my partitions on the problem laptop the windows partition connects
[23:22] <NeedInterwebz> so it's something in ubuntu
[23:22] <filo1234> NeedInterwebz: btw wich ip has windows?
[23:23] <IntuitiveNipple> brightsparks: Usually "legacy USB" means "available at boot" and all others refer to enabling USB for the operating system to find
[23:23] <NeedInterwebz> what are you asking filo?
[23:23] <NeedInterwebz> sorry
[23:23] <filo1234> NeedInterwebz: ip address of windows now
[23:23] <IntuitiveNipple> filo1234: you thinking collision?
[23:23] <NeedInterwebz> <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:23] <IntuitiveNipple> filo1234: ahh no then!
[23:24] <filo1234> lol nope
[23:24] <IntuitiveNipple> filo1234: I'm thinking mice !
[23:24] <filo1234> :)
[23:24] <brightsparks> IntuitiveNipple: ok didn't know that. The other setting is for legacy MS setting whatever that is but like say both are on.
[23:24] <NeedInterwebz> I'm just confused
[23:24] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: I think a mouse has chewed through the network cable you don't have :p
[23:24] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: You need a coffee
[23:24] <NeedInterwebz> ;) I wish it was that easy lol
[23:24] <thomasd> anyone know what a program called udevd does and why it would be running busy like it was stuck in an infinite loop
[23:24] <filo1234> NeedInterwebz: did you edited /etc/hosts early
[23:24] <filo1234> ?
[23:25] <NeedInterwebz> no, I can go ahead and do that now
[23:25] <brightsparks> IntuitiveNipple I've done an lshw? And as far as I can tell neither the mouse or the keyboard is listed??
[23:25] <nrdb> I am trying to change default permission for gui programs in gnome... I used umask in ./bashrc for the cli commands.. but this doesn't affect gui programs :-( ... gedit is still generating files with rw-r--r-- permissions :-( ... how do I do this?
[23:25] <wormmd> I had a topic to discuss, but I was just informed it was dinner time. I'll be back shortly.
[23:25] <filo1234> NeedInterwebz: ubuntu instead domain
[23:25] <NeedInterwebz> yeah I just did it
[23:25] <IntuitiveNipple> brightsparks: Are they USB devices? or older PS/2 style ?
[23:25] <NeedInterwebz> ping router, still dhu
[23:26]  * filo1234 call a priest
[23:26] <NeedInterwebz> I prefer the flying spaghetti monster :p
[23:26] <brightsparks> IntuitiveNipple: the ps2 keyboard works fine no problem  The USB mouse also works fine. Just the USB keyboard that is playing up.
[23:27] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: filo1234 Summary: DHCPOFFER/DHCPAACK works so we have UDP. wlan0 has an IP. iptables -f has flushed any firewall rules. it takes me back to the routing table even though we checked that for default route and gateway route earlier
[23:27] <IntuitiveNipple> brightsparks: Is it connected directly to the PC or via a hub? have you tried it in a different USB port on the PC?
[23:27] <NeedInterwebz> Yessir. that's all right
[23:27] <NeedInterwebz> if it's any point of interest
[23:28] <NeedInterwebz> sitting in ipconfig on windows
[23:28] <filo1234> NeedInterwebz: route -n
[23:28] <imbezol> nrdb: are you able to just change your homedir to deny access to others?
[23:28] <NeedInterwebz> there are three dns servers for some reason
[23:28] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: have you checked the logs for anything suspicious being reported?
[23:28] <NeedInterwebz> No, I wouldn't know what to check
[23:28] <filo1234> NeedInterwebz: dns isn't important now
[23:29] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: "ls -lstr /var/log/" (Elle Sss - Elle str ...) that will list log files with most recently changed last
[23:29] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: then look at them using "tail -n 40 /var/log/<filename>"
[23:29] <NeedInterwebz> what file should I look for?
[23:29] <charlie> hi
[23:29] <NeedInterwebz> almost everything that's changed is shit from the 12.04 upgrade
[23:29] <imbezol> IntuitiveNipple: why -s?
[23:30] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz:  most recent *.log or "syslog" changed
[23:30] <brightsparks> IntuitiveNipple: There is a hub recently installed-a pci card??? . Otherwise directly connected to the pc. If I connect the usb keyboard to the pci card hub now it works but not at boot up! But otherwise not working if connected directly to the pc
[23:30] <NeedInterwebz> auth.log
[23:30] <NeedInterwebz> kern.log
[23:30] <NeedInterwebz> syslog
[23:30] <NeedInterwebz> pm-powersave.log
[23:30] <FloodBot1> NeedInterwebz: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:30] <IntuitiveNipple> imbezol: because I mistyped :p
[23:31] <IntuitiveNipple> brightsparks: The add-on USB ports won't be available until the operating system has started. The BIOS does not know about them usually
[23:31] <a8s0lut0> anyone available to chat about problems i'm having with an out of the box 12.04 mythbuntu setup?
[23:31] <filo1234> NeedInterwebz: route -n what does show above Gateway?
[23:32] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: look at the last 40 or so lines in each using "tail -n 40 <filename> | less" (less is the pager. Press Q to exit it, use cursors and page-up/down to move)
[23:32] <NeedInterwebz> above is just Kernel IP Routing table line
[23:32] <brightsparks> IntuitiveNipple: Aha. That would seem to make sense- that has been puzzlingl me. Should I try this ? "psmouse proto=imps save as root in /etc/modprobe.d/ The mouse problem then will be OK
[23:32] <brightsparks> linkimprove this answer"
[23:32] <NeedInterwebz> below is <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:32] <filo1234> sorry below :)
[23:32] <filo1234> NeedInterwebz: for wlan0?
[23:32] <NeedInterwebz> yeah
[23:32] <NeedInterwebz> BUT
[23:32] <Robr3rd> Running Morrowind via WINE, and when I Load Game or select New Game, the application locks up and I receive this error: "Internal errors: Invalid parameters received" Suggestions? (#wine is invite-only apparently)
[23:32] <IntuitiveNipple> brightsparks: I'm not sure what that will do but if you've found it helps I can't see it hurting
[23:32] <MiJyn> Hello
[23:33] <NeedInterwebz> destination is <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:33] <NeedInterwebz> is that right..?
[23:33] <filo1234> NeedInterwebz: yeah
[23:33] <NeedInterwebz> shit >=[
[23:33] <filo1234> lol
[23:33] <MiJyn> I upgraded to Ubuntu 12.10 (Quantal, not Precise), and now FGLRX doesn't work
[23:33] <brightsparks> IntuitiveNipple: I will try it -do I make the same entry for the keyboard?
[23:33] <MiJyn> anyone has a clue?
[23:33] <filo1234> NeedInterwebz: follow IntuitiveNipple suggestion and look into logs
[23:34] <NeedInterwebz> where are the log files?
[23:34] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: /var/log/
[23:34] <brightsparks> IntuitiveNipple: pskeyboard proto=imps  ??
[23:34] <filo1234> NeedInterwebz: so a stupid test.... try reboot router or switch and pc
[23:34] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: "ls -ltr /var/log/"
[23:35] <NeedInterwebz> so I got the 40 from auth.log
[23:35] <NeedInterwebz> the most recent one
[23:35] <IntuitiveNipple> filo1234: Best idea yet ... I recall seeing a Linksys router that would just stop responding to some PCs
[23:35] <NeedInterwebz> If it is a router restart
[23:35] <NeedInterwebz> omg
[23:35] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: auth.log will mostly report your sudo commands and so on
[23:35] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: try it!!!
[23:35] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: Then I can go to bed happy :D
[23:35] <NeedInterwebz> It will be so frustrating but happy it's working if it is
[23:35] <NeedInterwebz> I'll be back
[23:35] <filo1234> NeedInterwebz: routers becomes stupid sometimes
[23:35] <nrdb> imbezol, that didn't do anything :-( ... it still generated files with the same permissions as before.
[23:36] <newby> How would i change window decoration title bars in cinnamon stable (http://ppa.launchpad.net/gwendal-lebihan-dev/cinnamon-stable/ubuntu)   ??
[23:36] <imbezol> nrdb: guess what i was asking is why are you worried about it? If you set your home directory to 700 then nobody can access the files even if they are rw to other
[23:36] <brightsparks>  IntuitiveNipple: can you tell me if this will be correct ? "pskeyboard proto=imps"
[23:37] <imbezol> nrdb: in some cases people need to leave their homedir accessible to other and then that wouldn't work. but if you don't have that need, then setting the homedir to 700 will negate the issue
[23:37] <IntuitiveNipple> brightsparks: sorry, no, I'm not familiar with kernel mouse options
[23:37] <filo1234> well good night all
[23:37] <brightsparks> IntuitiveNipple: ok. Just don't want to be wasting my time writing any old rubbish (lol)
[23:38] <spaceneedle> Just installed Ubuntu on my amd desktop which uses nvidia 6150se graphics and nothing works except unity-2d. Everything worked when I used a live usb stick.
[23:38] <NeedInterwebz_> I think I'm just going to go to dinner and recode the code I can't pull from github
[23:38] <NeedInterwebz_> it's not worth it at this point
[23:38] <IntuitiveNipple> brightsparks: My partner has problems with USB keyboard in the front ports of his PC, but not the back ports. Maybe you can try something similar?
[23:38] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: not fixed?
[23:39] <NeedInterwebz_> nope, sure isn't
[23:39] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: HANG ON...!
[23:39] <brightsparks> IntuitiveNipple: Ok sure.
[23:39] <NeedInterwebz_> lol okay
[23:39] <nrdb> imbezol, ok... I will test.
[23:39] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: Did you say you'd used that PC and its Windows install to connect?
[23:39] <brightsparks> IntuitiveNipple: thanks
[23:39] <NeedInterwebz_> Yeah
[23:39] <arejay> bahokok
[23:39] <arejay> sdgd
[23:40] <semitones> Hello. Is computer janitor still a useful application for cleaning up old systems, or does it not work anymore?
[23:40] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz: I recall, long time ago, seeing something similar when the Windows side (obviously using the same network interface and therefore MAC address) was connected first, then rebooted into Ubuntu and Ubuntu got a stale allocation somehow ... can't recall precisely now but I'm wondering if that is related to your experience
[23:41] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz_: something to think about ... no idea how to fix it though¬
[23:41] <NeedInterwebz_> well I had tried the ubuntu side first
[23:41] <NeedInterwebz_> when that didn't work
[23:41] <NeedInterwebz_> I was like wtf and booted into windows
[23:41] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz_: OK ... scratch that one as well
[23:41] <NeedInterwebz_> which did
[23:41] <FloodBot1> NeedInterwebz_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:42] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz_: check /var/log/kern.log ... read through it all with "less /var/log/kern.log" ... see if there's some problem with the wifi card or it don't get reconfigured correctly and maybe stops transmitting
[23:42] <NeedInterwebz_> Yeah I'm probably just going to chalk this one up as a loss lol
[23:42] <NeedInterwebz_> how would I know it would be incorrect?
[23:42] <nrdb> imbezol, that does what I want... I thought the permissions of the file took precedence!
[23:42] <trazplan> hi
[23:43] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz_: Errors or warnings are usually flagged as such in the logs
[23:43] <trazplan> hola
[23:43] <melodie> hi
[23:43] <trazplan> this is my firt time in a chat...
[23:43] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz_: I'm sure there's a clue there in those logs, you need to find it!
[23:43] <NeedInterwebz_> so could I just grep the logs for errors
[23:43] <imbezol> nrdb: nope. if you set a directories permissions to be 0 for other, then nobody can even get in there to see what files are present
[23:43] <Robr3rd> Running Morrowind via WINE, and when I Load Game or select New Game, the application locks up and I receive this error: "Internal errors: Invalid parameters received" Suggestions? (#wine is invite-only apparently)
[23:44] <zykotic10> Robr3rd: try wine's channel #winehq
[23:44] <Robr3rd> zykotic10, Ah. #winehq. Gotcha. ;)
[23:44] <imbezol> nrdb: the x is to allow them to enter, the r is to let them see what's in there, and the w would let them create or modify things there
[23:44] <NeedInterwebz_> okay, there's quite a few errors
[23:44] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz_: not that simple unfortunately - the Linux kernel hasn't agreed on structured log formats yet
[23:44] <NeedInterwebz_> oh. well shit
[23:45] <NeedInterwebz_> it doesn't look like there are any errors for the network stuff
[23:46] <NeedInterwebz_> well hmm
[23:46] <NeedInterwebz_> it goes "wlan0: link becomes ready" and then immediately after "wlan0: no IPv6 routers present"
[23:46] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz_: so hard to do these things remotely... often the solution comes from intuition
[23:47] <NeedInterwebz_> yeah, indeed
[23:47] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz_: that's fine - if you have no IPv6 router
[23:47] <NeedInterwebz_> k
[23:47] <NeedInterwebz_> well I'm baffled
[23:47] <nrdb> imbezol, just found that out.... thanks...
[23:47] <imbezol> np
[23:48] <filo1234> NeedInterwebz_: iwconfig wlan0 | grep -i mode
[23:48] <nrdb> imbezol, but you can cd direct to a directory within the the protected home directory.
[23:48] <NeedInterwebz_> mode:managed frequency: 2.437 GHz   Access Point: C0:C1:C0:05:1E:FC
[23:49] <filo1234> pfff ok
[23:49] <IntuitiveNipple> filo1234: I'm trying to think of a way to do a UDP ping ... we know DHCP works ... but can't download hping!
[23:49] <filo1234> lol
[23:50] <filo1234> IntuitiveNipple: do you have a dualboot in that pc?
[23:50] <filo1234> hem
[23:50] <filo1234> NeedInterwebz_:
[23:50] <NeedInterwebz_> Yes
[23:50] <filo1234> NeedInterwebz_: windows?
[23:50] <NeedInterwebz_> Yessir
[23:51] <hash> was up
[23:51] <filo1234> NeedInterwebz_: and.... windows is shutdown or hibernate/suspend?
[23:51] <NeedInterwebz_> well it's from grub, so it would be shutdown I guess
[23:51] <NeedInterwebz_> whatever grub does when you boot the other one :P
[23:51] <burububburu> hi all! I'm using 10.04.4: how can I get the latest version (the 12.04 version) of only the programs I wnat to be update? Ex: have VLC on 10.04 at the same updated (and latest) version of 12.04
[23:52] <filo1234> NeedInterwebz_: uhm? sure but if you boot in windows and hibernate.... you can reboot in ubuntu
[23:52] <filo1234> NeedInterwebz_: windos still hibernate
[23:52] <filo1234> if you use it
[23:52] <IntuitiveNipple> filo1234:    What are you thinking?
[23:52] <NeedInterwebz_> Are you sure... I think it boots into windows only and blocks the grub
[23:52] <NeedInterwebz_> but it's shutdown regardless
[23:53] <melodie> burububburu, you can try but you put the system at risk with possible differences in the versions of libraries
[23:53] <nrdb> imbezol, just found something... /home/neil has no rwx------ .... as a different user "cd /home/neil/Desktop" worked... then "cd .." worked ... then "ls" worked also.. on a protected directory.
[23:53] <filo1234> I had that problem with my computer boss, windows was hibernated and network was locked by windows
[23:53] <NeedInterwebz_> I can turn it off and fresh boot just to make sure there's nothing going on with that, but I've never had a problem before
[23:53] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz_: just for interest - what WiFi adapter is in that PC?
[23:54] <NeedInterwebz_> I'll have to check when it's back up
[23:54] <IntuitiveNipple> filo1234: Ahhh yes, on a Windows Active Directory network?
[23:54] <burububburu> melodie: so there are problems if i want to keep the whole system updated to its release (10.4.4), but *only* some apps at the latest?
[23:54] <filo1234> IntuitiveNipple: nope
[23:55] <imbezol> nrdb: /home/neil is rwx------ ?
[23:55] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz_: "lscpci -nn | grep-i net"
[23:55] <nrdb> imbezol, yes
[23:55] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz_: correction "lspci -nn | grep-i net"
[23:55] <filo1234> NeedInterwebz_: so at last test try to set static ip and dns
[23:55] <NeedInterwebz_> hold on, I'm shutting it down still lol
[23:55] <imbezol> nrdb: and a user other than neil can see stuff inside /home/neil?
[23:55] <IntuitiveNipple> NeedInterwebz_: ooops :D
[23:55] <imbezol> nrdb: and that user is not root ?
[23:56] <melodie> burububburu, there might be, or not, depending on the libraries which can be common with other apps
[23:56] <nrdb> imbezol, can do an "ls" but not see contents of file... and this wasn't root.
[23:56] <melodie> burububburu, you can try : at your own risk
[23:56] <burububburu> melodie: ok. how do I do that? How can I try=
[23:56] <imbezol> nrdb: they shouldn't be able to do an ls
[23:56] <burububburu> *try?
[23:57] <imbezol> nrdb: it's possible if they were already in the dir when you changed the permissions they are seeing a cached version of the ls
[23:57] <imbezol> nrdb: try "touch testfile" with neil, then ls with the other use
[23:57] <imbezol> nrdb: that other user should never see that testfile exists
[23:57] <L3top> smart imbezol
[23:57] <melodie> burububburu, for example, for vlc I did it : I went to the wiki and did a search
[23:57] <nrdb> imbezol, yes... they shouldn't be able to "cd" ether.. and this was after the chmod
[23:57] <melodie> and followed the instructions adding one more repos: which I deactivated just after I used it.
[23:57] <burububburu> melodie: VLC's wiki or Ubuntu's one?
[23:57] <filo1234> NeedInterwebz_: IntuitiveNipple .... good luck!! c ya bye
[23:58] <NeedInterwebz_> thanks for all your help man!
[23:58] <IntuitiveNipple> filo1234: goodnight :)
[23:58] <NeedInterwebz_> I appreciate it
[23:58] <NeedInterwebz_> and I restarted and it still doesn't work nipple
[23:58] <filo1234> NeedInterwebz_: try static ip :p
[23:58] <NeedInterwebz_> willl do
[23:58] <melodie> burububburu, ubuntu ones
[23:58] <IntuitiveNipple> filo1234: NeedInterwebz_ I was just thinking the opposite: has a static entry been entered via network-manager's applet from the GUI?
[23:59] <filo1234> IntuitiveNipple: yeah it's easyest way
[23:59] <nrdb> imbezol, no they can't
[23:59] <NeedInterwebz_> no, it's on auto
[23:59] <NeedInterwebz_> auto dhcp