[00:05] <aguitel> how remove xubuntu ?
[00:05] <GridCube> ?_?
[00:06] <GridCube> !puregnome
[00:06] <aguitel> need to install kubuntu
[00:06] <GridCube> then you just install the kubuntu-desktop metapackage
[00:07] <Unit193> Might be better to do a !purekde and rest of the questions would go in #kubuntu
[04:11] <Inzi> hi guys
[04:12] <Inzi> does anyone know where i could download the xubuntu restrictd extras offline? my pc at home has no internet
[04:15] <stochastic> Inzi, I'm not sure what you mean.  Download them offline?
[04:16] <stochastic> You probably need to get the files downloaded on a different computer, load them to usb key, then move that key to your home comp
[04:17] <stochastic> Inzi needed this link: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=xubuntu-restricted&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
[06:20] <Vinetari> eveyone knows that Macs are more secure than Lninux
[06:28] <Vinetari> it's a fact
[06:28] <Vinetari> steve jobs told me many years ago
[06:50] <bazhang> Vinetari, thats not a support issue
[06:50] <bazhang> try the offtopic channel please
[06:51] <Vinetari> it is a security support issue
[06:51] <bazhang> then go ahead and ask Vinetari
[06:51] <Marzata> The next Xubuntu release, codenamed 'E-Sexy Efe' is coming in June.
[07:16] <Guest60670> hi can anyone help my panel no longer shows the programmes running in the backround
[07:18] <Vinetari> reboot
[07:20] <Unit193> Why? Why not either just reset the panel, or restart the panel?
[07:21] <Vinetari> becuase it's easier
[07:22] <Unit193> No
[07:22] <Vinetari> it is for me
[07:23] <Unit193> Open terminal  xfce4-panel -r  and if that doesn't get it,    mv .config/xfce4/panel .config/xfce4/panel_backup   and restart the panel again
[07:23] <Unit193> Guest60670: ^^
[07:25] <TVasEyes> can you run xcfe4-panel -r from the Alt-F2 run command prompt too Unit193 ?
[07:25] <Unit193> TVasEyes: Yep, but I can't tab complete ;)
[07:25] <TVasEyes> thanks
[07:27] <Unit193> If more than even that gets messed up, xfwm --replace in alt+f2
[07:28] <TVasEyes> I've been lucky so far, up 11 days+ and no problems with panel or anything else.
[07:29] <Guest60670> I tryed that panel restarts but still same problem
[07:30] <Unit193> Guest60670: Read the second part now please (figured it wouldn't help)
[07:30] <TVasEyes> even after the suggested mv ?
[07:31] <Guest60670> yes it started before this boot of the machine is there anyway to reset the whole thing
[07:31] <Unit193> [02:23:52] < Unit193> .... mv .config/xfce4/panel .config/xfce4/panel_backup   and restart the panel again
[07:36] <Guest60670> no go would the backup get overwriten after a system shutdown
[07:36] <Unit193> Backup is in case you want it back
[07:37] <Guest60670> ok I look into this more at least I have some ideas thanks.
[07:41] <Guest60670> hi looked for backup files for panel did bot find any
[07:45] <TVasEyes> ??  you created .config/xfce4/panel_backup and now it's gone?
[07:47] <Guest60670> well my programs running in background don't show on the panel. never did a backup just tryed to get back to the way it was
[07:47] <Guest60670> befor
[07:47] <Guest60670> e
[07:48] <TVasEyes> and panel is definitely not running?   ps faux | grep xfce4-panel
[07:49] <TVasEyes> oops, is running but progs don't show.
[07:49] <TVasEyes> sorry.
[07:49] <Guest60670> well panel is running just not geting programs in background to show on panel
[07:50] <TVasEyes> I suggest you go with Unit's suggestion, do the mv to create a backup then restart the panel (it will need to re-create it's settings then)
[07:51] <Unit193> Define "Background"
[07:51] <TVasEyes> its*
[07:52] <Guest87768> hi I was one with panel problem still no go.
[08:01] <vinetari> I still say rebooting is faster
[08:02] <TVasEyes> Guest87768: radical way of doing (because you'll lose all customisation/settings) is to remove the ~/.config directory tree and reboot; xfce will then have to rebuild all of those files, personally I think that's very much last resort though.
[08:03] <Guest87768> ok that might be only way thanks.
[08:03] <Unit193> Or just move the folder in case
[08:04] <TVasEyes> yes, better safe than sorry.
[08:05] <Unit193> But I've done what TVasEyes said when I didn't feel like finding out what it was (While back)
[08:06]  * vinetari hands you a 7 UP ! 7°UP !
[08:09] <TVasEyes> vinetari: while in this case it looks like reboot was unavoidable, generally speaking, --restart is quicker and less hassle.
[08:09] <TVasEyes> more often than not there are programs running and whatnot..
[08:10] <vinetari> suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure
[08:10] <TVasEyes> as always, ymmv.
[08:10] <Unit193> TVasEyes: Another trick, log out and back in
[08:11] <TVasEyes> yes, although if restarting after removing xfce4/panel doesn't do it, is bad news anyway.
[08:12] <TVasEyes> anyway Unit193, I learned that xfce4-panel doesn't need a shell to run.  happy about that.
[08:13] <Unit193> And I know the xfce notify backend is better than the other, had to replace it on another comp
[08:13] <Unit193> But I'm starting to get offtopic
[08:13] <TVasEyes> ;)
[08:14] <TVasEyes> they're strict around here..
[09:45] <ablomen> has anybody else noticed firefox crashing like crazy after the last update?
[09:50] <Marzata> ablomen: version?
[09:51] <ablomen> 11.10, firefox 9.0.1
[09:52] <ablomen> I'm just checking to see if it's just me
[10:03] <ablomen> hmm it seems to be related to firebug not working with firefox 9, i guess ill downgrade firefox then
[10:09] <Marzata> firebug?
[10:09] <Marzata> same version of ff here, no problem.
[10:37] <ablomen> Marzata, hmm weird, the firebug google group has some people with the same problem. Anyway the downgrade to ff 7 seems to have fixed it
[10:54] <Marzata> avkoz
[14:32] <johanhar> So... I just installed xubuntu. All partitions/volumes are put on the desktop. I cant right-click and remove shortcut... wtf? :D
[14:34] <TheSheep> johanhar: you can disable the desktop icons completely
[14:35] <autif> johanhar - behave, we are family friendly, this is not windows, things work slightly differently - try settings -> settings manager -> desktop -> icons
[14:35] <johanhar> if I go to /home/user/Desktop , I see none of the icons :P
[14:35] <johanhar> Ah ok thanks
[14:36] <johanhar> Worked... thanks
[14:37] <johanhar> Any settings to resize a window. In windows I click <super> + arrow and send window to a side, aero snap using the mouse.
[14:38] <autif> what version of xubuntu are you using?
[14:38] <johanhar> 11.10
[14:39] <autif> to the best of my knowledge, the equivalent does not exist
[14:39] <autif> XFCE is meant to be light weight
[14:39] <johanhar> Okay..
[14:39] <johanhar> How tedious to resize and move windows then, no problem, I'll get compiz or something ;)
[14:40] <TheSheep> johanhar: you can see all the keybindings for moving windows in settings->window manager->keyboard
[14:41] <johanhar> Im looking there now :)
[14:42] <johanhar> Oh, nice, <super> + tab ... very nice, just like OS X - changing windows within the same application ;)
[14:44] <johanhar> Anyone tried compiz with xubuntu?
[15:11] <trkemist> anyone know how I can make chromium my system wide browser?
[15:14] <holstein> trkemist: i enabled gnome services or whatever its called.. you can try update-alternatives –config x-www-browser
[15:14] <holstein> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/set-the-default-browser-on-ubuntu-from-the-command-line/
[15:15] <johanhar> I cant find my external monitor... works when booting in w7 :(
[15:15] <johanhar> settings -> monitors ... cant find it
[15:18] <holstein> johanhar: i use arandr to manage dual head
[15:19] <johanhar> thx
[15:19] <holstein> you could likely not have driver support though... you can search for a proprietary driver which may add that functionality
[15:19] <johanhar> from where holstein
[15:19] <holstein> could also make things worse.. so you might want to do a bit of google searching and see if anyone else has posted experience with that hardware
[15:19] <holstein> johanhar: depends... let me link you the overall generice graphics wiki page
[15:20] <johanhar> thanks
[15:20] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[15:21] <johanhar> hmm, no GUI for updating drivers... I had that in ubuntu and debian.
[15:21] <holstein> johanhar: sometimes it just doesnt work well.. no reason to compare you experience to window either... you can just let hte manufacturer know you are having issue under linux, and hope that eventually we will get full support from everyone
[15:22] <holstein> johanhar: you are not updating drivers.. ther a GUI for package management.. several of them
[15:22] <johanhar> hmm ok
[15:22] <holstein> you dont need to update drivers, you need to (potentially) install a driver that ubuntu *cant* provide
[15:22] <johanhar> hmm
[15:23] <johanhar> thought that I had a "normal" graphic card... ThinkPadT420
[15:23] <johanhar> a regular work-laptop
[15:24] <holstein> johanhar: that guide should help you determin your graphics card... assume nothing ... i thought that was intel, but maybe not
[15:26] <johanhar> ok hmm
[15:27] <johanhar> I think it has got to do with my dockingstation
[15:27] <johanhar> laptop uses VGA, but it is connected to a docking, using DVI
[15:27] <holstein> johanhar: reducing variables is a great troubleshooting step
[15:27] <holstein> https://lopsa.org/content/adventures-ubuntu-1104-thinkpad-t420
[15:29] <johanhar> thanks
[15:40] <johanhar> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11618363#post11618363
[15:45] <holstein> johanhar: its going to be driver related
[15:45] <holstein> what drivers have you tried?
[15:46] <johanhar> only the default drivers...
[15:46] <holstein> also, if it were my hardware, i would try several live CD's.. i would try 10.04, the last LTS, and 12.04, the upcoming LTS, and a knoppix live CD.. that is an easy way to try several drastically different kernels without effecting your machine in any way
[15:47] <holstein> johanhar: right.. ubuntu *cant* include proprietary drivers assuming thats what you need.. i also wouldnt expect the dock to work, nor internal + VGA + DVI
[15:47] <johanhar> it works with VGA now
[15:47] <johanhar> just not DVI
[15:47] <holstein> johanhar: cool!... thats what i would expect
[15:49] <johanhar> where can I find some GUI panel for drivers?
[15:49] <johanhar> used to be in ubuntu, "additional drivers" or something like that
[15:49] <johanhar> under system
[15:49] <johanhar> link is gone in xubuntu
[15:50] <holstein> johanhar: that link i gave should explain some alternatives to that process in detail... i forget if that jockey-gtk or what
[15:50] <johanhar> oki
[15:50] <holstein> johanhar: if its intel, there wont be one... you could look report what graphics hardware you have
[15:50] <johanhar> ok, 2 sec, ill try
[15:52] <johanhar> http://pastebin.com/5jvZU7rM
[15:53] <johanhar> there... didnt understand any of that...
[15:53] <holstein> cool... so there will be some options for you then
[15:53] <johanhar> hmm ok
[15:53] <holstein> not that they will give you DVI support
[15:53] <holstein> again, i would search around and try and find someone with that hardware and running linux
[15:55] <johanhar> hmm isn't there just some "stuff" i could put into a config file, telling it to use DVI and not VGA..
[15:55] <johanhar> if not I have to use w7, because I cannot use VGA, its painful
[15:55] <johanhar> my monitor won't take it...
[15:56] <holstein> johanhar: yup.. its challening, but you do have several driver options to explore
[15:58] <holstein> jockey-gtk not what you are looking for?... theres likely a more current version than what you will find there at the nvidia site
[15:58] <johanhar> maybe, if that gives me a list of drivers i can use
[15:58] <johanhar> with GUI
[15:58] <holstein> johanhar: right... but as i am suggesting, that is only one of the driver options you have
[15:59] <johanhar> oki
[15:59] <johanhar> gnome user interface, but this is xfce, how does that work? :P
[16:00] <johanhar> ok, so it gives me nothing, "no proprietary drivers are in use on this system"
[16:00] <johanhar> it was looking for drivers at startup, didnt find anything I guess...
[16:01] <johanhar> my old room-mate had a lenovo thinkpad, with docking, using both vga and dvi at the same time.. xfce and arch I think, arch is too hardcore for me...
[16:09] <trkemist> holstein: I can't seem to figure out how to set it to chromium-browser :/
[16:11] <trkemist> holstein: I did it @ exit
[16:11] <trkemist> I did its in preferred apps you put in this string: /usr/bin/chromium-browser
[16:12] <holstein> trkemist: it?... you mean default browser?.. i enabled gnome services and the changes seemed to "stick" for me better... also running that command in the terminal is an option, though i know there is a GUI for it somewhere that may work... update-alternatives –config x-www-browser
[16:12] <holstein> i did finally get it working... chromium in xubuntu
[16:14] <holstein> johanhar: you should ask your old roomate about drivers... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[16:15] <holstein> at the end of the day (so to speak) this is not trivial, and is really something you might want to just deal with til you get a bit more comfortable with the process... the fact that its XFCE instead of gnome has very little to do with your situation.... i remember the first few times i installed the proprietart nvidia drivers, i got just a black screen
[16:16] <johanhar> thanks holstein , I did speak with him, apt-get install nvidia-current was his answer
[16:17] <johanhar> didnt do much, maybe I have to do something more, restart the computer or something :P
[16:18] <holstein> johanhar: this is going to be a kernel module that i would expect requiring a restart
[16:20] <mucus> hiya, i need a bit of advice
[16:20] <mucus> i'm trying to connect to a wireless connection from xubuntu, is there a way that it can automatically scan for networks?
[16:23] <johanhar> holstein: restart didnt help... hmm
[16:25] <holstein> johanhar: right, you are just getting started..i would literally expect this to take you a few days to sort out
[16:25] <johanhar> oh... :(
[16:25] <johanhar> its my setup at work, I dont have days..
[16:25] <holstein> and mabye not provide you the support you are looking for
[16:26] <holstein> your friend with the same hardware is your best resource
[16:26] <johanhar> I see
[16:26] <holstein> you also have not tried ubuntu 10.04
[16:28] <autif> johanhar - just trying to think out of the box - why do you need the nvidia driver? Does the frame buffer driver work at all or are you seeing just the console?
[16:30] <autif> from your comments, it looks like your graphics can limp on framebuffer - while you research the nvidia driver
[16:30] <johanhar> autif: the problem I am having, is that I cannot detect an external monitor using DVI, only VGA (VGA on my laptop, DVI given through my dock)
[16:30] <autif> ah
[16:31] <autif> and external dual monitor configuration is definitely a driver issue, it does not look like framebuffer supports multiple monitors - that I believe is inherent in the graphics card
[16:32] <autif> all the best :-)
[16:32] <holstein> autif: johanhar says his roomate had the dock in question working as johanhar wants
[16:33] <holstein> i would get an adapter before i would lose sleep over this though
[16:33] <holstein> you can literally waste days with these kind of driver questions
[16:33] <autif> yup, I got that - but roommate may or may not be available - I am following
[16:33] <autif> true
[16:35] <mucus> nvm, i figured it out
[16:39] <johanhar> Ehm, my mate tells me that I have two GPUs, and I have to switch which one is being used or something
[16:40] <holstein> hmmm... mabye your mate is not as helpful as i thought...
[16:40] <johanhar> Hehe
[16:40] <mucus> how do i set root privileges to something like a zip extractor?
[16:40] <johanhar> vga_switcheroo hye talked about
[16:41] <holstein> i would be interested in seeing ubuntu 10.04 with the proprietary driver
[16:41] <mucus> nvm, i'll extract to desktop then copy over
[16:42] <mucus> >_< that's not working
[16:43] <mucus> alright, so can i get some advice?
[16:43] <mucus> how do i give myself root access to my folders?
[16:44] <holstein> sudo -s
[16:44] <holstein> that gives you a root session (basically)
[16:44] <mucus> what's the -s mean?
[16:45] <holstein> session for all i know
[16:45] <johanhar> I give up, w7 here I come...
[16:45] <johanhar> cya ;)
[16:45] <mucus> hm
[16:45] <mucus> yeah, that's still not working
[16:45] <mucus> i'm trying to copy a file from desktop to /opt/
[16:45] <holstein> hehe... i would have said "i give up.. intel, here i come!" ;)
[16:45] <holstein> mucus: sudo mv it
[16:46] <mucus> movedir?
[16:46] <holstein> or cp
[16:46] <mucus> i don't know frig about the commands
[16:46] <mucus> i'm a total noob
[16:46] <holstein> i used to run nautilus as root
[16:46] <holstein> that looked like this... gksudo nautilus
[16:47] <mucus> hm
[16:47] <holstein> but, sudo cp /path/to/file.tograb /path/to/where.ever
[16:47] <mucus> i'd rather just have root access in the file manager
[16:48] <holstein> right... so that'll look like gksudo thunar
[16:48] <mucus> there we go
[16:48] <mucus> yeah, i just found that it's thunar
[16:50] <mucus> thanks holstein
[17:00] <mucus> >_< i don't get it
[17:01] <mucus> http://chatzilla.rdmsoft.com/xulrunner/ i'm trying to follow these easy steps, but i'm not making any progress
[17:05] <holstein> mucus: chatzilla is not in the repos?
[17:05] <mucus> it is
[17:05] <mucus> no wait
[17:05] <mucus> what?
[17:06] <mucus> alright, i got it installed
[17:06] <mucus> for some reason terminal wasn't accepting my xulrunner command
[17:06] <mucus> so i had to drag the file from the folder into terminal
[17:06] <mucus> then enter the commands, which to me makes no sense
[17:06] <holstein> i usually use full path names, just to be sure
[17:07] <mucus> how do i register chatzilla into my internet applications list?
[17:07] <holstein> register?.. you can add it, but it runs inside of FF right?
[17:08] <mucus> no, it's a stand alone program now
[17:08] <mucus> that's why i was following those steps
[17:09] <holstein> eh... i would just use xchat personally
[17:09] <mucus> it's a matter of taste really
[17:09] <mucus> but i come back to the same question, how can i register it in the list of applications?
[17:10] <holstein> mucus: you just add it
[17:10] <holstein> you add whatever command starts it
[17:10] <mucus> that sounds easy
[17:10] <holstein> if you run /opt/path/to/whatever.. you just add that as a launcher and put it where you like
[17:11] <mucus> i mean in the upper left, where i have my applications dropdown
[17:11] <mucus> and then each category is listed, with applications in each category
[17:11] <holstein> yup
[17:11] <holstein> you just add a custom launcher to whatever you like
[17:11] <holstein> thats what you have asked for.. by installing a custom applicaton like that *not* using a package manager... you are saying "i would like to take care of this on my own"
[17:12] <mucus> oh
[17:12] <mucus> okay i get that
[17:12] <holstein> thats why i asked if there was not one in the repos
[17:12] <holstein> i see seamonkey-chatzilla.. ive never used chatzilla
[17:12] <mucus> yeah, that's a broweser plugin
[17:12] <mucus> for seamonkey
[17:13] <holstein> thats what i thought the point was... that its in browser...
[17:13] <mucus> no
[17:13] <mucus> that was why i did it this way, so it would be standalone
[17:13] <mucus> which it is right now
[17:13] <holstein> i guess i just thought that was all it had going for it
[17:13] <mucus> i prefer the layout and am keenly familiar with how it operates
[17:15] <holstein> sure..im just saying i personally found it sub-par, and thought the in-browser action was the only real attribute of interest
[17:15] <mucus> can we back up holstein, how do i add a custom launcher?
[17:15] <mucus> pretend i'm a dummy, which really isn't pretending :P
[17:15] <holstein> mucus: right... just determine what command launches the application, and create a launcher for it
[17:15] <holstein> you can place that launcher anywhere... on the desktop, in the menu
[17:15] <mucus> i don't understand how to create a launcher...
[17:16] <mucus> wait
[17:16] <mucus> hang on a sec
[17:16] <holstein> mucus: you can right click on the desktop AFAIK, and try making on there
[17:16] <mucus> i got it
[17:16] <mucus> >_< i'm such a dope
[17:16] <holstein> that would be a good first step... then you can learn to edit the menu from there
[17:16] <holstein> thats an extra step, and i think it looks different than the desktop ones
[17:16] <holstein> it being the process by which they are created lookd different...
[17:18] <mucus> okay, so i've created my desktop launcher
[17:18] <mucus> but... how would i put it in the apps list?
[17:19] <holstein> mucus: its the menu.. AFAIK theres a menu editor
[17:20] <holstein> you'll create another launcher in the menu... you wont move the one you made
[17:22] <mucus> i'm still not understanding it . . .
[17:24] <mucus> hm, but i'll have to tinker with it later
[17:24] <mucus> thanks for hte help holstein
[18:46] <a7i3n> Just did an update, now all I have on login is a blue screen with no wallpaper etc...
[18:47] <a7i3n> anyone out there?
[18:49] <n2diy> I just did an upgrade, and now have no sound!?
[18:50] <n2diy> a7i3n, can you log in?
[18:55] <Marzata> ah
[18:56] <GridCube> n2diy, check that your sound isnt mutted
[18:56] <GridCube> it sometimes get mutted for no reason
[19:16] <n2diy> GridCube, double checked, nothing is muted.
[20:07] <TVasEyes> re update manager.  if I de-select one or more updates, then run the remaining, the manager will list the de-selected again (and again...).  how can I make it 'forget' those items?
[20:23] <TVasEyes> hello? anybody here with some knowledge of update manager and how to tweak its behaviour?
[20:24] <Unit193> !pinning
[20:25] <Unit193> I never use that program, but there should also be a wiki page on it
[20:25] <TVasEyes> thanks, will read now.
[20:25] <n2diy> TVasEyes, I asked that in the past, and the answer then was, you can't ignore them.
[20:29] <TVasEyes> n2diy, Unit193: thanks, seems there's no way (yet):  "NOTE At the time of the making this Wiki there is not a known way to Pin a package with Update Manager."
[20:30] <TVasEyes> very tedious, to say the least.
[20:30] <Unit193> sudo apt'get updateñ sudo apt'get dist'upgrade )only with the right keys=
[20:31] <Unit193> Some people don't like dist-upgrade though
[20:31] <TVasEyes> Unit193: in other words, stop using update manager altogether and do everything manually?
[20:32] <Unit193> Well, in the end what works best for you is what you should use, but I have an alias where I just type in terminal "updates; clean"
[20:35] <TVasEyes> ok, I see.  shame though because update manager is convenient.
[20:35] <TVasEyes> your alias based on apt then?
[20:36] <Unit193> !dist-upgrade |I use this mostly
[20:37] <Unit193> This is my line, YMMV sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade; sudo apt-get autoremove --purge && sudo apt-get autoclean
[20:38] <TVasEyes> ok, thanks, the question arose over Firefox update, not wanting the unity and french language etc.  also, last virtualbox update (few weeks ago) broke existing setup.
[20:40] <Unit193> I use Aurora and I don't use VBox on that computer
[20:40] <Unit193> (Aurora being alpha firefox)
[20:43] <TVasEyes> ah, googling Aurora confused me. ;)   I'd installed virtualbox from oracle site, added oracle to apt sources but update chose from canonical and -- kaputt. ;(
[20:44] <TVasEyes> anyway, thanks again Unit193, need to think this thorugh.
[20:44] <Unit193> Yeah, pinning is always fun. You can pin that repo higher than the other one though
[21:52] <xubuntu545> busy place
[21:53] <knome> you say that after being here a minute? :)
[22:01] <Marzata> knome: 56 seconds
[22:01] <Marzata> knome: why 12.04 only 3 years LTS?
[22:02] <Myrtti> only?
[22:02] <Myrtti> all desktop LTS's have been 3 years
[22:03] <Marzata> the other buntus are 5 for 12.04
[22:05] <Myrtti> well this'll be the first lts for xubuntu so I'm sure it has something to do with not potentially making it too difficult to support
[22:07] <Unit193> It's had 10.04 as an LTS (and a few more)
[22:07] <Marzata> knome: why?
[22:07] <Unit193> They don't have the dev power to do it
[22:08] <Myrtti> hold on, is my irssi broken
[22:08] <Unit193> Myrtti: This is Xubuntu ;)
[22:09] <Myrtti> Unit193: I know that but it looks like I'm missing a line or my brain isn't working, or Marzata is out of sync somehow
[22:10]  * Marzata is very well rsynced.
[22:11] <Unit193> Myrtti: Alrighty (knome hasn't said anything if that's the line)
[22:12] <Marzata> see this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xubuntu#Xubuntu_12.04
[22:13] <Unit193> Anywho, this is offtopic, so you should take it to #xubuntu-offtopic I'd say
[22:37] <Marzata> off topic?
[22:39] <knome> Marzata, we can't give support for xfce longer than 3 years, that's why xubuntu is "only" 3 years lts.
[22:39] <Marzata> knome: for desktop and server?
[22:40] <knome> Marzata, there is no "xubuntu server", only ubuntu server.
[22:40] <Marzata> knome: oh, yes, I'm sleepy...
[22:41] <Marzata> knome: but is ubuntu desktop with 5 years LTS support?
[22:41] <knome> Marzata, that's correct
[22:42] <Marzata> knome: anyway, xubuntu is still the best disto, and 3 years LTs is quite great. And thank you for the great job.
[22:42] <knome> thanks, and you're welcome
[22:43] <knome> in the future, if we have more contributors that can sustain their contributions, we can think the 5 year lts again
[22:43] <knome> right now, we just can't do that
[22:46] <Marzata> knome: xubuntu has the best usability and let's hope many ppl will move to the project.
[22:46] <knome> i hope so too


[12:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #66485 in malone ""show only duplicates" in advanced search options" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66485
[12:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #66486 in malone "subscribe reporter of dupe to original bug report" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66486
[12:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #66488 in malone "mark as duplicate should automatically reject a bug" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66488
[01:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #66490 in launchpad "display /calculation error for top contributors?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66490
[02:59] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[06:02] <stub> Launchpad will be going down for about an hour in around 30 minutes time. Longer than usual downtime this week due to some data migration that needs doing.
[06:41] <jamesh> mpt: https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/images/formlayout-product-new.png <- that's the new form layout with the (optional) tags
[06:42] <jamesh> mpt: for a smaller screen, it wouldn't leave much room for the actual form fields
[06:45] <stub> Gah... screwed up my cherry picking.
[06:58] <stub> Launchpad is going down in 15 minutes for a code update and data migration work.   What do you think?
[07:13] <stub> We should just strip out most of the optional fields, maybe with a note on the form informing that other fields can be set by clicking on the 'Edit' link after product creation. imo :)
[07:13] <stub> We already do this for Person I think.
[07:13] <mpt> yeah
[07:13] <stub> Display name and email address and off you go
[07:13] <mpt> but really, screenshots URL? wiki URL? We're not babysitters for their own Web site's design
[07:14] <mpt> Why not Weblog URL and news URL and release notes URL? :-)
[07:19] <mpt> jamesh, I think putting it on a separate line would look weird
[07:19] <mpt> The other option would be to put it after the field instead of before
[07:20] <jamesh> mpt: sure, but my browser window is almost 1280 pixels wide and the labels are taking up ~ a third of the content area
[07:20] <jamesh> I am not sure it'd be usable at lower resolutions
[07:21] <mpt> ok, try "(Optional)" after the field instead of before
[07:22] <mpt> That won't narrow wide optional rows, but it will narrow wide compulsory rows, because their labels aren't being padded by the "(Optional)" in other rows
[07:24] <mpt> It would be nice if Zope allowed form field widths specified in percentages rather than mysterious-HTML-units
[07:25] <mpt> (iirc 1 HTML width unit = the width of the letter "a" in sans-serif, or something like that)
[07:29] <jamesh> I would have thought they'd base it on digit width
[07:37] <lifeless> jamesh: which digit ;)
[07:38] <jml> lifeless: the thumb.
[07:39] <lifeless> thumbwars! return of the palm
[08:08] <lifeless> spiv: what did you need to do to get sodium running your cgi-stuff? just drop it in ~/public_html/cgi-bin ?
[08:09] <spiv> lifeless: I think so, let me take a look
[08:10] <spiv> lifeless: in fact, just in ~/public_html, named *.cgi
[08:10] <spiv> (and chmod +x, obviously)
[08:21] <mpt> gah, Launchpad's still down
[08:35] <stub> Having a few postgresql issues - trying to sort out now (data migration scripts are still running anyway)
[08:41] <jamesh> mpt: https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/images/formlayout-product-new2.png <- look better?
[08:56] <mpt> jamesh, not noticably better or worse, but if that makes them more compact, it's fine
[08:56] <jamesh> mpt: it also doesn't affect the width of required fields, which is nice
[09:49] <lifeless> jamesh: looks nice to me
[10:13] <_thumper_> having major connectivity problems - on phone to isp now
[10:21] <stub> Launchpad, inc soyuz, is back up
[10:25] <mpt> oh, perfect timing, just as I finish for the day :-P
[10:39] <mpt> oy, what's happened to the portlet headings
[10:40] <mpt> They don't look like that on localhost
[10:40] <jamesh> mpt: cached CSS, maybe?
[10:41] <mpt> that was my first thought, and my second thought was "bother, I forgot to change the style sheet from launchpad.css to launchpad.css?foo=1"
[10:42] <mpt> but then I shift-reloaded and it's the same
[10:42] <jamesh> what page is looking wrong?
[10:42] <mpt> Any page with a portlet
[10:42] <mpt> but ... not in Firefox
[10:43] <lifeless> why does clicking through to translate my language show me translated applications first ?
[10:43] <lifeless> surely it should be untransalted first ?
[10:43] <lifeless> specifically, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+lang/en_AU
[10:43] <mpt> mmmm, transalted
[10:43] <stub> Making me hungry
[10:43] <stub> Ooh.... missed lunch
[10:44] <mpt> eh, must be a Safari problem, doesn't occur in Opera either
[10:44] <jamesh> blame andersca and maciej
[10:45] <mpt> It's even fine in Konqueror!
[10:46] <mpt> so I think I'll blame maciej and hyatt
[10:46] <lifeless> hmm
[10:47] <lifeless> 'canonical ltd, a holding company..'
[10:47] <lifeless> in the ubuntu desktop guide.
[10:47] <lifeless> that seems...wrong
[10:47] <jamesh> holding companies don't usually have so many employees
[10:47] <mpt> It is wrong if it has that capitalization
[10:47] <lifeless> it doesn't
[10:48] <lifeless> its grammar and punctuation is correct
[10:48] <lifeless> the content is whack
[10:48] <jamesh> holding companies usually have far fewer employees than their subsidiaries
[10:48] <lifeless> and hold things
[10:48] <lifeless> like other company shares
[10:48] <mpt> When Keybuk was on LugRadio someone referred to him as a Canonical employee, and he said, "Actually, I don'... never mind"
[10:48] <lifeless> or patents
[10:48] <lifeless> mpt: cause he works for Fieldwave
[10:48] <mpt> I know :-)
[10:49] <lifeless> which is technically subcontracted.
[10:49] <mpt> that too.
[10:50] <jamesh> mpt: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugtrackers/sf <- single SourceForge tracker entry now.
[10:50] <mpt> yay
[10:50] <mpt> So previously we had 14 Sourceforge entries for only 39 bug links? ouch
[10:51] <jamesh> 13 fewer tracker entries doesn't hurt ...
[10:51] <mpt> oh, I agree entirely, I just hadn't realized *quite* how silly the previous situation was :-)
[10:53] <Kamion> can I delete bug watches? the one on bug 44468 is crack
[10:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44468 in Debian "Flight 7 Live CD Ubiquity Installer - Partitioning" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/44468
[10:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #66515 in launchpad "Portlet headings look wrong in Safari" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66515
[10:55] <mpt> Kamion, alas, that's bug 3140
[10:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 3140 in malone "Bug watches can't be removed" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3140
[10:57] <stub> Perhaps we should just back Launchpad onto GoogleBase
[10:58] <jamesh> Kamion: you can edit the bug watch if there is an appropriate alternative
[10:58] <jamesh> but I doubt there is
[10:58] <Kamion> there is not
[10:59] <Kamion> (the Debian task is bogus too)
[10:59] <BjornT> mpt: do you have a quick suggestion for how the ui would look like for deleting bug watches? i don't see an obvious way of incorporating that functionality in the current ui.
[10:59] <jamesh> you could ask stub to remove it then ...
[10:59] <mpt> Yes, our current UI for that lives in Thailand
[11:00] <stub> handsum bug watch. I delete you now.
[11:00] <jamesh> stub: I found another tracker that should have been merged into "sf" -- emailed you the details plus SQL to clean it up
[11:01] <mpt> BjornT, I included a suggestion in the bug description -- give the watch a status menu with two values, "Automatic" and "Not a Bug Here"
[11:01] <Kamion> stub: thanks :)
[11:05] <BjornT> mpt: oh. i thought the description was obselete, since it talks about bug watches being tied one-to-one to the software it's watching. "Not a Bug Here" sounds strange to have on the bug watch edit page, since it's not obvious what 'Here' means.
[11:07] <mpt> BjornT, that wouldn't be on a separate page, it would be "inside" the Affects row associated with the bug watch.
[11:08] <mpt> Anyway, it's past 10pm and I'm starving, tchau
[11:09] <BjornT> mpt: so you are talking about the *bugtask* edit page? i implemented that once, but kiko rejected it. also, bug watches don't have to be linked to a bugtask.
[11:10] <sabdfl> mpt: could we make Fix Released (a) green and (b) not wrap, on all bug listing pages including the milestone page, please?
[11:11] <sabdfl> https://launchpad.net/malone/bugtrackers/sf
[11:11] <sabdfl> no need for date-and-time
[11:11] <sabdfl> also, none of those statuses are displayed
[11:11] <sabdfl> either a bug, or we should remove the column
[11:11] <sabdfl> that way, fewer lines would wrap
[11:14] <BjornT> sabdfl: the status isn't displayed because we haven't implemented syncing of sf bug watches yet, for bugzilla bugs the correct status is shown.
[11:15] <sabdfl> BjornT: we don't do ANY sync'ing from SF?
[11:17] <jamesh> we could do it by screenscraping individual bug pages
[11:18] <jamesh> which is inefficient, but not a problem if we've only got 40 of them
[11:18] <BjornT> sabdfl: not yet. it's not that easy to do, since SF doesn't provide a good interface for querying the bug status. but i should dedicate some time in implementing proper status syncing of all the bugtrackers we support.
[11:18] <BjornT> jamesh: or maybe you would have some time to look into that?
[11:18] <jamesh> BjornT: I suppose so.  Not in the next week or so though
[11:19] <jamesh> we'd need to put delays between page loads though
[11:20] <jamesh> SF.net blocks your IP address if you scrape them too quickly
[11:21] <BjornT> jamesh: yeah, putting delays also complicates the implementation a bit, but hopefully not too much.
[11:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #66523 in malone "Date created isn't needed when listing bug watches for a bug tracker" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66523
[11:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #66524 in malone "Bug status name wrapping and colorisation" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66524
[12:05] <BjornT> jamesh: i filed a bug about the SF bug syncing and assigned it to you. make sure to update the status of the bug if you start on it, since i might re-assign the bug to me if i'll find time to fix it.
[12:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #66529 in malone "Sync the status of SourceForge bugs" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66529
[12:28] <carlos> stub: hi, how much time did the translation copy took?
[12:29] <stub> Your asking me? You told me it would take half an hour I thought!
[12:29] <stub> It had to be killed after some time (don't know exactly how long) due to other database problems that needed sorting.
[12:29] <stub> Rescheduled for tomorrow 02:30 UTC
[12:30] <stub> (hopefully it will finish in the one hour downtime window. I think we should do a test on the language pack db if that won't affect things).
[12:31] <carlos> stub: I see, I was asking to know the real time it needs...
[12:32] <carlos> I try to execute it in carbon to get an estimation
[12:32] <carlos>  /s/I/I will/
[12:34] <jordi> carlos: but it will be like zillion times faster in production right?
[12:34] <carlos> I don't know... carbon is supposed to be a backup server
[12:35] <carlos> and it's quite fast
[12:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #64231 in update-manager "update-manager doesn't work" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64231
[01:09] <stub> jordi: carbon is identical to the production server. If anything it will be faster because it is less loaded.
[01:13] <jordi> stub: oh cool
[01:26] <stub> carlos: Let me know how long the test run goes. If it goes more than an hour mdz will need to know.
[01:33] <carlos> stub: ok
[01:34] <stub> ta
[01:38] <lifeless> kiko: mark says to ask you
[01:39] <lifeless> something, I'm not sure what... anyhow, he says +10!
[01:39] <salgado> stub, around?
[02:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #66540 in malone "Bug watches via URL dont distinguish HTTPS" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66540
[02:18] <carlos> later!!
[02:42] <Fujitsu> Hi... I got OOPS-290C258 when attempting to access https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/47848... Can somebody please have a look at that?
[02:42] <Ubugtu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/290C258
[02:44] <bradb> Fujitsu: looking into it now
[02:44] <Fujitsu> Thanks, bradb.
[02:45] <Fujitsu> bradb, looks to happen for bugs with large numbers of dupes.
[02:46] <Kamion> I was about to say that, yes
[02:46] <Kamion> 47848 is probably one of the most-duped bugs in Malone
[02:46] <Fujitsu> Kamion, exactly. I went to look at it after somebody wondered aloud about it in -motu.
[02:46] <bradb> Some changes to dupe subscriptions just got rolled out, so that may be it.
[02:47] <ajmitch> we were looking for the bug with the most duplicates :)
[02:47] <Fujitsu> #47046 (non-reformatted partitions causing Ubiquity to explode) also suffers from it, and it has a million dupes.
[02:53] <Kamion> looking at the oops, I think it might be more about bugs with large numbers of subscribers, although I'm no expert at reading Launchpad oopses
[02:53] <Kamion> or somewhere in between, perhaps
[02:54] <bradb> Kamion: might be that the new code is doing too many queries figuring out who is subscribed from dupe bugs.
[03:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #66552 in launchpad ""Please fix the problems below and try again." occurs when filing bug in ubuntu with package field non-empty and invalid" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66552
[03:17] <kiko> morning
[03:17] <kiko> back in black
[03:17] <fouadbajwa> hi, who should i post a feature request to for launchpad?
[03:18] <kiko> fouadbajwa, to launchpad-users, to the spec tracker, or to the bug tracker, depending.
[03:18] <fouadbajwa> okay
[03:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #66562 in malone "BugSubscriberPortletView.getSubscribersFromDupes seems to cause timeouts" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66562
[03:59] <danilos> who carlos
[03:59] <danilos> ok, he is not here ;)
[04:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #66567 in malone "tag-restricted bug list browsing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66567
[04:32] <indu> kiko: hi, how  r u
[04:33] <SteveA> hello
[04:34] <indu> kiko: I want to register our Linux distro in launchpad distros list
[04:39] <indu> can some please give me kiko's email id
[04:40] <kiko> hello indu
[04:40] <kiko> indu, I haven't replied to your email yet but I will do so today
[04:40] <kiko> sorry for the delay
[04:41] <indu> kiko: its ok, I am searching for your mail id
[04:41] <kiko><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:41] <indu> kiko: I want to register our distro "BOSS" in the launchpad site
[04:41] <indu> kiko: ok
[04:42] <indu> kiko: can u please forward me the details for registration
[04:42] <kiko> indu, I'll email you about this.
[04:42] <indu> kiko: ok thankyou
[04:42] <indu> kiko: shall i mail u about this, so that u can reply me or else u will mail me
[04:43] <kiko> I have your email here already
[04:44] <indu> kiko: ok then will be waiting for you mail
[04:44] <indu> kiko: ok I am leaving, will be back tomorrow morning
[04:44] <indu> kiko: good day :-) , Bye
[04:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #66570 in malone "Branch vocabulary search is restricted to context product" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66570
[05:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #66572 in malone "subscription behaves strangely when duplicates exist" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66572
[05:10] <_thumper_> am I back or is it lying?
[05:35] <SteveA> hi _thumper_
[05:36] <_thumper_> hey SteveA
[05:36] <_thumper_> I got hit by a hardware failure at the exchange
[05:36] <_thumper_> bt engineers have swapped out a card
[05:36] <_thumper_> and it seems like things are ok again, connection wise
[05:39] <sivang> hi folks, how do I change a team's name ?
[05:39] <sivang> (I am the admin on this team, there is another owner)
[05:45] <salgado> sivang, launchpad.net/people/<team-name>/+edit
[05:46] <sivang> thanks salgado
[05:49] <sivang> salgado: OOPS-290C385
[05:49] <Ubugtu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/290C385
[05:49] <sivang> salgado: on the change name and title action
[05:50] <SteveA> flacoste: ping
[05:51] <flacoste> SteveA: pong
[05:51] <SteveA> flacoste: I'm on the hook to do a largeish code review for you
[05:51] <SteveA> we didn't have a pre-implementation call, and I'm not up to speed with recent work in this area.  So I'd like to have a voice call with you before I do the review.
[05:52] <SteveA> Alternatively, a reviewer more familiar with the area can do the review.
[05:52] <flacoste> SteveA: yep, I saw
[05:53] <flacoste> SteveA: i'm available for a voice-call if you like
[05:54] <SteveA> ok, can we do the call in 1 hour from now?
[05:55] <flacoste> SteveA: ok, VoIP or real phone?
[06:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #66583 in blueprint "Cannot add a dependency on a spec in a different product" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66583
[06:04] <SteveA> flacoste: skype please
[06:05] <flacoste> SteveA: i never setup skype
[06:05] <flacoste> SteveA: i can give it a try though
[06:08] <SteveA> please do
[06:16] <SteveA> sivang: try again please
[06:16] <sivang> SteveA: btw, have you checked out the gizmo project?
[06:17] <sivang> SteveA: http://www.gizmoproject.com/ , seem sto be better then skype, and I think it all free
[06:18] <sivang> SteveA: thanks! it worked this time.
[06:18] <SteveA> thanks sivang
[06:19] <sivang> SteveA: setup is also so painless
[06:19] <SteveA> should try it sometime, thanks
[06:20] <sivang> you're welcome.
[06:33] <Keybuk> IntegrityError
[06:33] <Keybuk> A server error occurred.
[06:33] <Keybuk> --
[06:33] <Keybuk> that's bad, right?
[06:34] <ddaa> That merely means that form you just posted did not properly check input validity, and the input was caught by a database constraint.
[06:35] <ddaa> This sort of oops are usually fairly simple to fix. Thanks for exercising the bug, the error is logged, matsubara will file the appropriate bug if needed.
[06:36] <Keybuk> ok, I'll nag him when he gets back from lunch
[06:36] <Keybuk> we kinda need to be able to deal with UDS-MTV specs ;)
[06:36] <ddaa> well, matsubara does not fix most bugs
[06:36] <ddaa> he just file the u
[06:36] <ddaa> file the bugs from the oops reports
[06:36] <Keybuk> doesn't he fix the spec tracker?
[06:36] <Keybuk> he did the last patch
[06:37] <ddaa> *shrug* I'm bit at a loss on who's owning the spec tracker...
[06:37] <ddaa> AFAIK, the main developer of the spec tracker is sabdfl...
[06:37] <geser> hello, can somebody please fix the outdated Contents files on archive.u.c for edgy?
[06:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #66586 in blueprint "Cannot accept or decline proposed specifications" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66586
[08:09] <SteveA> flacoste: ping
[08:09] <flacoste> SteveA: pong
[08:13] <SteveA> hmm... just a moment.  I had a hard hang.
[08:13] <geser> can somebody please fix the outdated Contents files on archive.u.c for edgy?
[08:18] <SteveA> malcc / cprov: ^^^ ?
[08:19] <SteveA> flacoste: trying to call you
[08:19] <malcc> geser: Hopefully we'll run this tonight
[08:19] <geser> thanks
[08:19] <flacoste> SteveA: I missed your call...
[08:21] <SteveA> calling again
[09:13] <Ng> doh, I wanted to talk to matt
[09:13] <Ng> come back!
[09:35] <seb128> danilo_: do you work on template imports for rosetta too?
[09:44] <danilo_> seb128: I can help if it's needed, though it's not been in my high priority list
[09:44] <seb128> danilo_: I would like to get gnome-app-install template accepted to it can be correctly translated for edgy
[09:44] <seb128> danilos: language pack have to be rolled on friday, and I want to let some time to translators
[09:44] <seb128> template was not built for some time
[09:44] <danilos> seb128: ok, I'll see to it right now
[09:44] <seb128> and we get no feedback in such case :/
[09:45] <seb128> we just noticed the issue yesterday
[09:45] <seb128> thank you
[09:45] <seb128> danilos: and do you remember the URI magic to make rosetta display > 10 strings on a page? browsing 35 pages to find a string is getting on my nerves :p
[09:46] <danilos> seb128: just change the batch size, but it can easily timeout if you try too much
[09:46] <seb128> 'just'
[09:46] <seb128> I'm asking for how to change it
[09:47] <seb128> ?batch=<number>?
[09:47] <danilos> seb128: btw, you can also download PO file and look for a string that way (that's what translators have been doing for a while already)
[09:47] <seb128> I know
[09:47] <seb128> I just want to fix that string and jump to next bug
[09:47] <seb128> other way I've to wait for the mail to be sent to my debian email
[09:47] <seb128> and with the fast Debian servers it can take some time :p
[09:48] <danilos> seb128: btw, I don't see gnome-app-install template among needs review templates
[09:48] <seb128> it was this morning
[09:48] <danilos> ok, let me check approved and failed queues
[09:48] <seb128> https://launchpad.net/rosetta/imports?target=all&status=NEEDS_REVIEW&type=pot
[09:48] <danilos> oh, it's there, I just missed it
[09:49] <seb128>   	 po/gnome-app-install.pot in gnome-app-install in Ubuntu Edgy   	Needs Review
[09:49] <seb128> Uploaded by Rosetta Administrators on 2006-10-16 18:03:04 UTC
[09:49] <seb128> Will be imported into Template "gnome-app-install" in Ubuntu Edgy package "gnome-app-install"
[09:49] <seb128>
[09:49] <seb128> k
[09:51] <seb128> danilos: I found my string, thanks for the batch hint ;)
[09:51] <danilos> seb128: np (btw, I didn't answer that; you could see the URL parameters by going to the second page ;)
[09:52] <seb128> danilos: no, just the start parameter, not the batch one
[09:52] <danilos> ah, it was there before ;)
[09:52] <danilos> anyway, I approved the gnome-app-install.pot, it should start importing with the next poimport run (every 10 minutes)
[09:53] <seb128> that was too easy to change probably :p
[09:53] <seb128> danilos: rock on, thank you!
[09:53] <danilos> yeah, we had a lot of timeouts because of that ;)
[10:10] <SteveA> flacoste: ping -- reviewed
[10:10] <flacoste> SteveA: already?
[10:10] <SteveA> flacoste: if you can get an answer within the next 1hr, I'll deal with it tonight
[10:10] <SteveA> the review was not so long
[10:10] <SteveA> you wrote the code and tests clearly in general
[10:10] <flacoste> SteveA: nice, i'm on it
[10:10] <SteveA> so there was little PEP-8 nit-picking
[10:11] <SteveA> but also, you did lots of random whitespace removal
[10:11] <SteveA> I found that distracting, and it inflated the apparent size of the diff
[10:11] <flacoste> SteveA: yeah, my editor does it for every file I save...
[10:11] <SteveA> so, please dont' do that in future
[10:11] <SteveA> or, save it, and commit that as a whitespace cleanup
[10:11] <SteveA> separately
[10:12] <flacoste> SteveA: I will try the separate whitespace commit approach
[10:12] <matthewrevell> SteveA: Got time for a quick question?
[10:14] <SteveA> matthewrevell: yes
[10:15] <matthewrevell> SteveA: Is Launchpad ever likely to provide projects with install-package hosting, much like Sourceforge? From what I've read, I think it's unlikely.
[10:15] <matthewrevell> Thought I'd check though
[10:16] <SteveA> what do you mean by "install-package hosting" ?
[10:16] <matthewrevell> Sorry, that wasn't particularly clear. I mean web space where projects can host packages for end users to download and install.
[10:18] <kiko> matthewrevell, "packages"? as in "soyuz-built binary packages"? or as in "random blobs"?
[10:19] <flacoste> SteveA: two questions
[10:20] <flacoste> 1) I fold back ITicketActor in IPerson? I think yes is the answer, but just want to be sure
[10:20] <matsubara> any reviewer available to review a 150 lines patch that's blocking the distro guys?
[10:20] <matthewrevell> kiko: I'm thinking along the lines of what Sourceforge offers. For example: imagine Gaim used Launchpad. Could there ever be a point where Gaim might send their Windows users, for example, to Launchpad.net/Gaim/Download to get the latest install-gaim.exe?
[10:21] <flacoste> 2) about the use of **kwargs, it is to make it easier to track the ITicketTarget.searchTickets signature
[10:22] <flacoste> the database classes (implementing that interface) delegates the implementation to a common class which lists the parameters explicitely
[10:22] <kiko> matthewrevell, you meant "random blobs" then. the answer is that we have no functionality planned for that, though it would be trivial to set up a basic system that offered downloads and people can already crib that by using bug attachments
[10:22] <flacoste> so, adding a new search parameter doesn't require updating the intermediary signature
[10:23] <matthewrevell> kiko: Okay, thanks.
[10:36] <MagicFab> hi
[10:36] <MagicFab> it seems someone has created a Colombia  team on LP, except it's not anyone in the current Loco team.
[10:37] <MagicFab> Its members seem to be dummy/empt accounts.
[10:37] <MagicFab> How can we address that ?
[10:39] <kiko> MagicFab, well... is the issue the name of the team?
[10:42] <MagicFab> yes, as I was planning to use LP to coordinate some team work
[10:43] <MagicFab> another issue, I just tried to register a "quebec" team and I get an error message
[10:43] <MagicFab> : Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad. Weve recorded what happened, and well fix it as soon as possible. Apologies for the inconvenience. If this is blocking your work, let us know on the launchpad-users mailing list (requires subscription). Include the error ID OOPS-290A574 in your message."
[10:43] <Ubugtu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/290A574
[10:44] <MagicFab> ah..
[10:44] <MagicFab> uh, password protected...
[10:50] <MagicFab> so anyways... I have to run, but would like to know how the Colombia team could use LP without the confusion of this (seemingly) empty, inactive team with the same name.
[10:50] <MagicFab> later :)
[10:52] <looksaus> how am I supposed to use the "roadmap" feature in launchpad functional specs?
[10:59] <matsubara> MagicFab_brb_l8r: you just found a brand new bug. Congratulations! :)
[11:02] <ddaa> Now that we got the exception count low, maybe we can resurrect the idea of oops karma? ;)
[11:02] <ddaa> Every time you find a new oops, you get karma, yay!
[11:03] <ddaa> (just in case somebody misunderstood me, I'm joking)
[11:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #66622 in launchpad "Register a team with an email address crashes." [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66622
[12:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #66631 in soyuz "please remove warty from the archive" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66631
[12:14] <lifeless> mpt: why doesn't launhcpads product registration *ask* me about translations and bug reporting, in an optional couple of check boxen
[12:14] <kiko> yeah, good question
[12:14] <lifeless> I just had a subunit user ask me 'you said to use malone, but its not configured to'


[01:06] <flickeringscreen> Hi everyone, i'm struggling with ubuntu.  I was using studio with no problems but wanted to try other versions. i tried to download some other distros but they wouldnt work for me. (grub would not install, extensive googling showed it was to do with efi boot loader or something
[01:07] <flickeringscreen> anyway, i have downloaded ubuntu mate and it seems to have installed okay but now i get a weird screen flicker (my other boot option windows 10 is fine)
[01:07] <flickeringscreen> any ideas?
[01:08] <flickeringscreen> i tried unity first this did the same, i also tried lubuntu with the same problem.
[01:08] <flickeringscreen> live versions of mint and lxle work fine but will not install
[01:10] <flickeringscreen> i did try and google this but the fix seemed to be rolling back the kernel but i have no idea on how.  im a basic user with linux, comfortable with copy past to terminal byt anything more difficult than that and i'm stuck
[01:15] <flickeringscreen> brb, need to restart
[01:19] <flickeringscreen> i'm back.
[01:19] <nomic> hi
[01:19] <flickeringscreen> hi nomic
[01:19] <nomic> is it flickering all the time
[01:19] <nomic> = hardware
[01:19] <flickeringscreen> kind of
[01:19] <nomic>  ... graphics card
[01:19] <nomic> chk connections
[01:19] <flickeringscreen> intel integrated
[01:20] <flickeringscreen> its a laptop
[01:20] <nomic> vga cable etc
[01:20] <nomic> ok
[01:20] <flickeringscreen> also if i boot to windows its fine
[01:20] <nomic> hmm
[01:20] <nomic> is it old
[01:20] <nomic> wut is machine brand/type
[01:20] <flickeringscreen> i said that a lot.
[01:20] <nomic> model
[01:20] <flickeringscreen> its an asus x751l
[01:20] <flickeringscreen> not that old, about a year
[01:21] <flickeringscreen> runs windows 10 fine
[01:21] <nomic> after install
[01:21] <nomic> sudo apt update
[01:21] <nomic> then sudo apt upgrade
[01:21] <nomic> brings it up to date
[01:22] <flickeringscreen> 225 packages updating
[01:23] <flickeringscreen> the screen flickers a bit, then its okay, then flickers again, happens least in mate
[01:23] <nomic> so you have just done it, now
[01:23] <nomic> well. after those massive updates, it requires reboot
[01:23] <flickeringscreen> most in unity, though i may just be getting used to it
[01:23] <nomic> maybe problem gone
[01:23] <flickeringscreen> hope so :)
[01:23] <nomic> there are "effects"
[01:23] <nomic> = compiz .. which can be turned off
[01:23] <nomic> you may solve it by turning compiz .. or "effects" off .. if this does not work
[01:24] <nomic> also .. this place is not too busy all the time ... post on forum
[01:24] <nomic> is efficient
[01:24] <flickeringscreen> I will try that too.  its weird as ubuntu studio was okay yesterday, I've spent 24 hours trying to work it out
[01:24] <nomic> what is 'ubuntu studio'
[01:24] <flickeringscreen> its a version of ubuntu
[01:25] <nomic> if you have not updated with apt upgrade
[01:25] <nomic> that is a major thing, that youw should do every so often
[01:25] <flickeringscreen> another of their oficial flavours
[01:25] <nomic> .. right away after an install
[01:26] <flickeringscreen> good to know.  as i said earlier, i'm not as good with linux.
[01:26] <nomic> because you have no updates .. your system = the release ver .. upgrade (226 packages) .. is bringing everything up to current
[01:26] <nomic> as with windows
[01:26] <nomic> which doesn't ask you
[01:26] <flickeringscreen> not good enough to roll back a kernel at least
[01:27] <flickeringscreen> its updating now.  hopefully this will fix it :)
[01:27] <nomic> stick around - tell what happens
[01:28] <flickeringscreen> will do
[01:28]  * nomic ditched 'ubuntu' with unity .. I have xubuntu/xfce .. have mate on a raspberry pi (server/desktop)
[01:28] <nomic> essential
[01:29] <nomic> tried mint a few weeks ago .. found it to be too slow (compared to xubuntu)
[01:29] <flickeringscreen> yeah.  i used lxle for a while, thats really good
[01:30] <flickeringscreen> and ubuntu studio is good too, comes pre-installed with a lot of good programs
[01:32] <flickeringscreen> i just got an error at the end of the upgrade
[01:32] <flickeringscreen> Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[01:33] <flickeringscreen> restarting now
[01:38] <flickering> back again
[01:38] <flickering> the screen still flickers
[01:38] <flickering> hmm
[01:39] <flickering> when updating it had a problem installing tzdata 2016j-0ubuntu0.16.10
[01:41] <nomic> ur going to have to open a post in ubuntu forums
[01:41] <nomic> turn desktop effects off
[01:41] <flickering> will do thanks
[01:41] <flickering> how do i do that?
[01:42] <nomic> that is a .. .. that may solve it
[01:42] <nomic> desktop effects = compiz etc
[01:42] <nomic> there are insructions
[01:42] <flickering> ok thanks
[01:42] <flickering> ill look it up.
[01:42] <flickering> i appreciate your help
[01:43] <nomic> np. this place not always busy, far from it .. busier is #ubuntu
[01:43] <nomic> forums is very busy & is the help end point
[01:43] <nomic> learn to use it .. open account, post in relevant place
[01:46] <flickering> okay thanks :)
[05:36] <red_> hello
[05:37] <red_> can someone help with getting sound to work
[09:36] <JD_88> Hi guys, please can anyone help me with allowing Silverlight? I have been following videos on youtube, but I have a problem with it. Thank you for your answers.
[10:40] <Astro7467> JD_88: if you want silverlight for Netflix, it isn't needed anymore. AFAIK Netflix will play in Chrome & Firefox natively now
[11:17] <JD_88> Astro7467: Hi, thank you for your answer. I am running ubuntu mate on rapsberry pi3 and when I donwloaded chrome in package installer it says ... ERROR:Wrong architecture amd64, so i can not install chrome .. i do not need the silverlight for netflix but for something similar. for one website where i can watch tv.
[11:19] <JD_88> when I try to follow tutorials on the web how to enable silverlight it ends with the message that it is unable to locate package pipelight-multi.
[11:20] <JD_88> could anyone help me solve this problem? thank you
[12:21] <sachina> Hey guys, I disabled my lightdm using "systemctl disable lightdm.service" , how do I enable it again, "systemctl enable lightdm.service" is not working.
[12:33] <sachina> Hello guys, I disabled lightdm and now when I enabling, it is not autostarting, I have to manually start it using "systemctl start lightdm.service"
[12:36] <Astro7467> @JD_88: I understand for silverlight to work, you need pipelight, which in turn needs WINE. No WINE for Raspberry Pi AFAIK.
[12:58] <sachina> Hey guys, I disabled my lightdm using "systemctl disable lightdm.service" , how do I enable it again, "systemctl enable lightdm.service" is not working.
[13:09] <JD_88> @Astro7467: So you are saying that there is not any solution how to enable Silverlight on Raspberry Pi right? That is a shame. Thank you for your help.
[14:08] <dooley> Hello, anyone here can help with storage issues?
[14:08] <dooley> ouroumov, are you here
[14:08] <Menzador> !ask
[14:09] <dooley> sorry
[14:12] <dooley> my system us ubuntu mate on a 220 GB ssd and normally 100 gig free, this morning I have less than 50 gb free. in DUA it shows total for / as 102 GB, I have 40 GB free. so where is the rest suddenly? I had this happen before with a Kodi error and log files of 40 gig but I dont see that this time
[14:13] <dooley> What can take up space on the system disk outside of the / folder ?
[14:17] <ouroumov> dooley, I don't know, but you can investigate.
[14:17] <alkisg> dooley: if you delete a 50 mb log file that is still in use, it'll only be freed once the app stops using it, e.g. after reboot
[14:18] <alkisg> *50 GB
[14:18] <alkisg> Or in general, with any file that is in use
[14:19] <dooley> ok, thanks, I will try a reboot. How are you doing ouroumov
[14:20] <ouroumov> I'm good, how about you? (btw please avoid unruly private messages in the future)
[14:24] <dooley> ok, I figured they would not want general chat in the room. sorry again. I am good also
[14:28] <ouroumov> dooley, if you have a disk resizing issue, this is not offtopic
[14:28] <ouroumov> disk space *
[14:29] <dooley> well I have closed all that is running and am going to restart. Thanks again, and I will return and let you know
[14:29] <dooley> Ok, I follow
[15:13] <dooley_> ouroumov, the space was recovered after a reboot. thanks to alkisg for the answer.
[16:46] <emison> oi
[20:00] <RyanTG> I'm a little confused.  If I install eclipse and then I install eclipse-pydev, shouldn't eclipse be offering me the option to create a Python project?
[20:01] <RyanTG> And I just realized that I should have asked that in an Ubuntu dev channel not on Mate.
[20:11] <RyanTG> And #Ubuntu just told me to ask #eclipse
[20:25] <RyanTG> And #eclipse is apparently full of ghosts
[20:29] <alkisg> It's sunday
[20:29] <alkisg> :
[20:34] <RyanTG> It's not like I get to try Linux development at work where I'm stuck with C# on Windows.
[20:35] <RyanTG> I love Linux, and I've been using Mate since Win10 came out at home, but for the life of me, even getting started devloping anything beyond hello world on Linux rapidly runs into the weeds.
[20:35] <alkisg> There are thousands of tutorials out there
[20:36] <alkisg> It's also true that visual studio is light years ahead of the similar linux tools
[20:40] <RyanTG> I know.  And I have VS Code installed, but I'm trying not to use MS tools for this.
[20:41] <RyanTG> I don't even care that eclipse is years behind current, hell I use VS 2010 at work.  I just wish when I installed a package on an LTS that it would actually work.
[20:48] <RyanTG> Just looked at developer.ubuntu.com.  Talk about cart before the horse.  They start with how to make a snap.  That's great.  Now if only I could write something to snap.
[20:52] <RyanTG> This ubuntu-make thing looks promising.
[20:55] <RyanTG> Well that was not helpful.  Apparently umake only supports vs code and lighttable.
[21:18] <RyanTG> I'm done for the day.  apt-get purge eclipse
[21:20] <RyanTG> Too bad nobody has made a snap package of eclipse.
[21:21] <Corrosiv0> Hola a todos
[21:23] <RyanTG> @alkisg of those thousands of tutorials, how many are from truly trusted sources vs people something just happened to work for
[23:25] <kaytrm> I am looking for some help in getting my Raspberry Pi setup for headless operation.  It is currently connected to a TV with keyboard and mouse.  I have enabled SSH but I cannot connect from my Win10 pc.  I am using Bitvise SSH Client 7.27.


[00:17] <James2^2>  can i use that with some kind of hack to make a combined frontend/backend give the backend an extra few seconds to load before the frontend connects
 James2^2, just add a sleep to your startup script?
 im new to ubuntu, which script actually starts the frontend?
[02:45] <James2^2> "apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras"  wants to remove libavcodec52 and libavutil50. are these required by nythbuntu for normal operation?
[02:45] <James2^2> or without it, how do i play mp3's with mythmusic?
[10:47] <gandalfcome> I have MythTV 0.24 using mythbuntu 11.04. I also use the MCE remote, whenever I press down it jumps 2 instead of one. is that a known error?
[11:41] <superm1> gandalfcome, run your apt updates
[11:41] <superm1> there is a fix in updates
[11:56] <James2> hey guys
[11:58] <James2> during setup, on graphics options, does HDMI output count as tv out?
[11:58] <qwebirc73479> I have just installed the repo on my 10.04 machine and about to move to 0.24.  When doing the upgrade is it best to do a apt-get dist-upgrade or just apt-get updgrade?  I notice just using upgrade it doesn't want to remove libmyth0.23
[11:58] <James2> qwebirc73479: dont do it imho
[11:59] <James2> well are you staying to 10.04 or wanting to upgrade the whole system to 11.04 as well?
[11:59] <James2> just changing the mythtv repo should be ok, but if you want to upgrade the distro be prepared for some fun
[12:00] <James2> i tried it a few days ago, upgrading from 10.04 with 0.23.x, did a backup first, did the upg to 0.24.x, then dist upgrade to 10.10, then to 11.04
[12:00] <qwebirc73479> just staying at 10.04
[12:00] <James2> the machine ended borked
[12:01] <James2> you should be ok then, but still do a backup first imho
[12:01] <qwebirc73479> I have some iso images I want to play but am using storage groups, so that is my motivation for going to 0.24
[12:01] <James2> if you do "apt-get dist-upgrade" you are telling it to upgrade yo to 10.10
[12:01] <James2> so do "apt-get upgrade"
[12:02] <James2> once it finishes, do it again
[12:02] <qwebirc73479> ah ok, and if I get a libmyth error remove libmyth0.23 manually?
[12:02] <James2> no
[12:02] <qwebirc73479> ok, I'll do the apt-get upgrade
[12:02] <qwebirc73479> thanks
[12:03] <James2> i noticed it didnt upgradee everything first time, it took a couple of runs to update everything
[12:04] <James2> then i did the 10.10 update which seemed to work, but 10.10 to 11.04 i will never recommend to anyone lol
[12:04] <James2> 3 days later im still configuring the system
[12:04] <qwebirc73479> I think I will be staying clear of 11.04
[12:04] <James2> 11.04 itself is cool
[12:04] <James2> having installed clean from an iso
[12:05] <James2> im just setting up my new secondary backend atm
[12:06] <James2> anyone know about the "master backend info" page of setup
[12:06] <James2> i have put in my pin, but it definiitely wont see my backend
[12:06] <James2> i assume its looking at my local subnet, not the other building subnet where the master is
[12:06] <James2> anyway i can tell it where to find it?
[12:07] <James2> (this will b in the same building once configured)
[12:09] <James2> well it continued ok :P
[12:09] <James2> just connection test moaned about "couldnt find db logins"
[12:20] <James2> ah cool, on first boot it pops up upnp failed and lets me specify the logins :)
[12:25] <qwebirc73479> James2 just to let you know apt-get upgrade didn't work
[12:26] <qwebirc73479> I needed to do an apt-get dist-upgrade because I was upgrading major package versions of mythtv
[12:26] <qwebirc73479> works flawlessly now
[12:26] <qwebirc73479> upgrade went smoothly
[12:26] <James2> ah cool
[12:26] <qwebirc73479> thanks for your help and advice on not upgrading to 11.04
[12:26] <James2> any idea why a frontend would be blank
[12:26] <James2> and not responding
[12:26] <James2> just how much data does a frontend pull from the backend on startup?
[12:27] <qwebirc73479> when I run the front end on my laptop (via wifi) it can take anywhere between 2-6 minutes
[12:27] <qwebirc73479> not sure on the amount of data it pulls
[12:29] <James2> "the front end crashed unexpectedly (exit code 137)
[12:29] <James2> and then reloads automatically
[14:17] <TandyUK> ok i have done 2 clean installs of mythbuntu in the last 3 days, rom the same disk
[14:17] <TandyUK> one is primary backend and frontent, the other is a secondary backend and frontend
[14:17] <TandyUK> they have completely different themes, and on the second theme chooser doesnt even list the one the primary is using as an option
[14:17] <TandyUK> wtf?
[14:19] <rileyp> TandyUK:  its you its not the disk
[14:19] <TandyUK> and wow mythtv is slow over a vpn link (1mb link, with 35ms ping)
[14:19] <TandyUK> well i hvent chosen a theme on either of them
[14:19] <TandyUK> so what does it do, pick one at random?>
[14:19] <rileyp> default is terra isnt it?
[14:20] <rileyp> with mythbuntu
[14:20] <TandyUK> surely id expect the same themes to be available though
[14:20] <rileyp> did you run an update on 1
[14:20] <TandyUK> they are both as up to date as can be
[14:20] <TandyUK> ive followed the same process on both
[14:21] <rileyp> sec backends are more trouble than joy in my experience
[14:21] <TandyUK> dont think i want the sec backend for tv tho lol
[14:21] <TandyUK> my primary backend is buried
[14:21] <rileyp> as teh recording are only avaible while its switched on unless you record everything on the master
[14:21] <TandyUK> the secondary frontend, is in the users lounge, and will have 2 vcr's attached to it for converting vhs tapes to digital format
[14:22] <TandyUK> it has no 'tv' tuners
[14:22] <rileyp> err  ok  vhs yuk
[14:22] <TandyUK> yeah lol
[14:22] <TandyUK> the user has several hundred old vhs movies to convert
[14:23] <rileyp>  i run a 1080 projector on a screen 3 long a vhs tape would look like a sand pit on it
[14:23] <TandyUK> then theyll get vido editing treatment on a different machine
[14:23] <rileyp> thats 3 m long
[14:23] <TandyUK> yeahwould look proper ugly on that lol
[14:24] <TandyUK> the attraction of using myth for it, is the videos are all 3 hours long,
[14:24] <TandyUK> so we can just tell myth to record from source X for 3 hours, job done
[14:25] <TandyUK> then he has fun and games editing using LiVES on another machine
[14:25] <rileyp> bettor off downloading said movie
[14:25] <TandyUK> said movie only exists on vhs
[14:25] <rileyp> unles its home movie
[14:25] <TandyUK> or id say exactly the same thing :P
[14:25] <TandyUK> and theres about 400 of them lol
[14:26] <TandyUK> i wont tell you what the content is, Zinn might ban me lol
[14:26] <Zinn> Hi TandyUK, something I can help you with today?  I am a bot, use !help to see what I can do.
[14:27] <rileyp> combo vhsmachine/dvd burner and sell when finished hit play and rec and done ? remove tab from vhs tape auto eject when finshed insert next tape and dvd
[14:28] <TandyUK> no because they are up to 20 years old, and will need some remastering
[14:28] <TandyUK> so it needs a stage between the vhs and dvd parts
[14:28] <TandyUK> but that is the general idea, yeah
[14:29] <TandyUK> they may also get edited, with selected scenes from different movies being turned into a new movie
[14:30] <rileyp> so you need the best vcr player you can find and connect to  to video camera and then firewire to pc or buy a tv card with component or just svideo in
[14:30] <TandyUK> yeah
[14:30] <TandyUK> a myth tv with a pvr-500 in it
[14:30] <TandyUK> with 2 vcrs attached to speed up the process
[14:31] <TandyUK> oh and bonus, the mythtv can also play any content from the master backend in glorious 1080p on his 50" plasma screen
[14:32] <TandyUK> so stop trying to suggest worse ideas lol
[14:32] <rileyp> haha
[14:33] <TandyUK> having spent about £5000 on various things (including a vcr/dvdr combo, various windows based video input cards/usb devices/etc), and about 8 years
[14:33] <TandyUK> this IS the finall solution ;)
[14:33] <TandyUK> and umpteen pc upgrades lol
[14:33] <TandyUK> the last bit is a nice media center case to put  the 2nd backend in
[14:34] <TandyUK> its the old primary backend, which i just replaced with a i7 quad core with 6gb ram
[14:34] <TandyUK> and a 4tb raid 6 array
[14:35] <TandyUK> that should handle 4 dvb-s2 streams lol
[14:35] <TandyUK> i was testing it last night doing 11 simultaneous recordings, 4 simultaneus ad stripping and transcoding jobs
[14:35] <TandyUK> and it once peaked out at 20% cpu use lol
[14:36] <TandyUK> i *think* it should be ok for the next 10 years :P
[14:51] <rileyp> lol i has atom 1.6 be and could record 12 channels at once  I did com flagging in teh ear;y hours and nver bothred with transcoding
[14:51] <TandyUK> lol
[14:51] <TandyUK> perhaps i did overspec the new backend a touch then :P
[14:51] <rileyp> DVBt in au so mpeg2 goes straight to disk
[14:52] <TandyUK> but the 3ghz i7 and gigabyte mobo were eon special offer
[14:52] <rileyp>  nice setup I must admit
[14:53] <rileyp> overkill but at least you can do whatever you want whenever you want no problem
[14:59] <TandyUK> http://www.dvbshop.net/product_info.php/info/p2318_Mystique-SaTiX-S2-V2-CI-Dual--2xDVB-S2-CI-HDTV-MPEG4-H-264.html
[14:59] <Zinn> [www.dvbshop.net] Mystique SaTiX-S2 V2 CI Dual, 2xDVB-S2 CI HDTV/MPEG4/H.264 - DVBSHOP - Technotrend,Mystique,Anysee,Digital Devices,Tevii,Shop
[14:59] <TandyUK> thats the dual dvb-s2 card, plus the master backen has a nova-t 500
[14:59] <TandyUK> the second backend has a pvr-500
[14:59] <TandyUK> the original card we used with myth, before dvb was common :
[15:00] <TandyUK> and of them ll i still thinnk the pvr-500 gives the best picture (given a decent source ofc) thanks to its hardware mpeg2 encoders
[15:14] <TandyUK> ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 1684, errno = 32
[15:14] <TandyUK> my second frontend wont start, any ideas what that is?
[15:16] <TandyUK> ah X problem
[15:18] <TandyUK> BlackCurves-OSD) is missing a themeinfo.xml file  (and Gray-OSD)
[15:20] <TandyUK> ok, so why would this frontend be missing the MythBuntu theme?
[15:20] <TandyUK> its using Terra instead
[15:22] <TandyUK> 2011-05-28 15:22:30.500 RingBuf(myth://<IP_ADDRESS>:6543/1011_20110528152211.mpg) Warning: Taking too long to be allowed to read..
[15:23] <TandyUK> dammit so you mean i cant watch live tv over a 1mbps vpn, that just sucks :P
[16:03] <TandyUK^2> "apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras"  wants to remove libavcodec52 and libavutil50. are these required by nythbuntu for normal operation?
[16:03] <TandyUK^2> or without it, how do i play mp3's with mythmusic?


[07:24] <Laibsch> I'm concerned about bug 430224. SpamapS told me that the fix for that ticket may only include support for Ubuntu chroots on a Ubuntu host.  Is that true?
[07:25] <Laibsch> Can I run an Oneiric chroot on a Debian host?
[07:26] <Laibsch> or is that impossible because Ubuntu now uses upstart and Debian IIRC still uses SysV


[09:11] <rmg51> Morning
[12:19] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[13:23] <WorkingTurkey> 21 baby
[13:39] <lazyPower> is it your birthday today WorkingTurkey?
[13:40] <lazyPower> jedijf: did you get all your needed papers for Fosscon?
[13:53] <WorkingTurkey> yeahh
[13:53] <WorkingTurkey> this year I _need_ to get my radio license
[16:07] <jedijf> lazyPower: did you submit CFP?
[16:07] <lazyPower> jedijf: i did not, this is why i asked - if yinz needed some padding/buffering to the list of submissions
[16:08] <jedijf> if so, then yes, if not, then no, elseif SUBMIT
[16:08] <lazyPower> WorkingTurkey: Happy Birthday! we share a birthday.
[16:08] <jedijf> CFP rules: moar is better
[16:08] <lazyPower> jedijf: i can recycle what i sent to fosdem if thats ok
[16:08] <jedijf> submit, submit, submit
[16:08] <lazyPower> i dont have the time to write one speific for foscon, but the talk was excellent and applies as its open source tooling :)
[16:08] <jedijf> recycling is *in* - green talk track
[16:08] <jedijf> :)
[16:09] <jedijf> not old, proven
[16:09] <jedijf> jut like me
[16:09] <jedijf> just too
[16:20] <lazyPower> jedijf: submitted
[16:35] <WorkingTurkey> lazyPower: hapy birthday
[16:39] <jedijf> lazyPower: thank you
[16:50] <lazyPower> :D
[16:50] <lazyPower> Gemini Twin Super Powers Activate


 @julienlavergne This might be something you can answer: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1213566
[23:55] <lynorian> wow a lot more testcases are done than I expected
 O.O


[03:39] <jamesh> popey: for that snap mpris question you closed on the forum, you probably just want "name: ncspot" in the slot definition
[07:02] <didrocks> good morning
[07:09] <duflu> Morning didrocks
[07:16] <didrocks> hey duflu
[07:21] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:21] <oSoMoN> happy Friday!
[07:32] <didrocks> hey oSoMoN
[07:35] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[07:50] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[07:50]  * duflu goes for an afternoon coffee to power through the remains of the week
[08:31] <marcustomlinson> morning didrocks duflu oSoMoN
[08:33] <duflu> Morning marcustomlinson
[08:39] <popey> jamesh: tried that, it doesn't work. you have to specify unity7
[08:41] <jamesh> popey: the "invalid name element" error is specifically because you included a full bus name rather than just the part after "org.mpris.MediaPlayer2."
[08:42] <popey> jamesh: that may be the case, but i definitely tried using just the short name
[08:42]  * popey re-opens the topic in case people want to discuss there :D
[08:43] <popey> https://github.com/popey/ncspot-snap/blob/master/snap/snapcraft.yaml
[08:43] <jamesh> popey: I don't see any mpris related rules in the unity7 interface though, so it is quite possible the app needed something else
[08:43] <popey> that's the working yaml
[08:43] <popey> that's possible, for sure.
[08:43] <popey> i debugged this for a couple of hours last night with Wimpress
[08:44] <jamesh> popey: the fact you're staging libxcb-* makes me think the app wants to talk to the X server
[08:44] <jamesh> so it probably needs desktop and/or x11.  I'd lean towards those rather than unity7 if possible
[08:45] <popey> desktop doesn't work
[08:45] <popey> i tried desktop and unity7 which worked, then removed desktop to prove it only needed unity7
[08:46] <jamesh> popey: desktop doesn't imply x11 access, while unity7 does
[08:46] <jamesh> one of the reasons why unity7 is deprecated
[08:46] <popey> ok, I'll try removing unity7 and add x11 instead, thanks
[08:46] <jamesh> x11 or x11+desktop would probably be better, yeah
[08:48] <jamesh> you'll probably need to provide a desktop file to keep the store happy when you publish too
[08:48] <jamesh> a NoDisplay=true one should suffice
[08:48] <didrocks> hey marcustomlinson
[08:48] <popey> ooh, i could do a desktop file which uses the terminal=true thing
[08:49] <jamesh> that'd be fine too, yeah
[08:49] <popey> thanks for the help jamesh
[09:03] <Laney> hullo
[09:04] <marcustomlinson> yo Laney
[09:07] <popey> jamesh: nope, x11 isn't enough, it only works with unity7
[09:08] <jamesh> popey: did you try desktop+x11?
[09:08] <jamesh> and what denial are you getting?
[09:08] <popey> ah, no. doing now
[09:08] <popey> no denials
[09:08] <jamesh> ideally we could delete the unity7 interface at some point
[09:10] <popey> jamesh: nope, fails with x11+desktop
[09:10] <jamesh> I wonder what it is doing?
[09:14] <popey> 🤷♂
[09:17] <duflu> Hi popey, Laney, and jamesh
[09:17] <popey> hello!
[09:19] <jamesh> hi duflu
[09:34] <Laney> hey marcustomlinson hey duflu
[09:50] <didrocks> hey hey Laney
[09:53] <dan01> Hi, sort of did this experiment before but... anyways
[09:54] <dan01> Can anyone here using Ubuntu on a 1080p laptop give me a screenshot of their desktop. Regardless of Gnome or Kde, wayland or X. Ubuntu or Fedora. Linux looks a bit to small on my Ideapad screen, while Windows looks just fine
[09:54] <dan01> I've tried everything, fractional scaling, increase font size in gnome-tweak
[09:54] <dan01> I don't know what to do anymore
[09:55] <dan01> And I can't understand how come none else seems to have this problem
[09:55] <Laney> hey didrocks
[09:55] <dan01> I'm using a 14' 1080p lenovo ideapad s540 iwl
[10:00] <dan01> hmm, mabybe I'll try #ubuntu
[10:00] <Laney> dan01: only got 2× hidpi here, sorry
[10:00] <Laney> not really heard this specific complaint before tbh
[10:00] <dan01> Laney: sure, np
[10:00] <Laney> have seen some odd people deliberately running at less than 2×
[10:00] <dan01> Laney: yeah, everyone seems to be doing fine, but I've asked other people as well and they notice the difference
[10:01] <Laney> hmm
[10:01] <Laney> changing the subject (sorry)
[10:01] <Laney> desktop iso failed to build
[10:01] <Laney> The following packages have unmet dependencies: libpoppler90 : Depends: libopenjp2-7 (>= 2.0.0) but it is not installable
[10:02] <Laney> wwwwwwat is dat
[10:13] <Laney> can't tell, guess I will retry a build
[10:47] <Laney> yup, that worked
[10:48] <Laney> happy iso-with-new-yaru day
[11:04] <marcustomlinson> \o/
[14:25] <RikMills> tkamppeter: hi, do you have a fix for ghostscript ppc64el FTBFS before the weekend?
[15:11] <tkamppeter> RikMills, I am working with doko on it. It is bug 1862053
[15:13] <RikMills> ouch!
[15:58] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers!
[15:58] <oSoMoN> good morning hellsworth
[15:58] <marcustomlinson> hey hellsworth
[16:00] <hellsworth> hi oSoMoN and marcustomlinson
[16:30] <Laney> pkill -f mutt is a bad idea
[16:30] <Laney> 506664 /usr/bin/Xwayland :0 -rootless -noreset -accessx -core -auth /run/user/1000/.mutter-Xwaylandauth.OACNF0 -listen 4 -listen 5 -displayfd 6
[16:33] <mdeslaur> hehe
[16:43] <hellsworth> fyi, i'll be afk for the rest of the day while trying to get over a nasty cold
[16:58] <oSoMoN> hellsworth, get better soon!
[16:58] <gQuigs> any thoughts on Flash for 20.04 - I think would drop it before release?   https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-20-04-and-flash/13814
[17:00]  * gQuigs tries again - I think it makes sense to drop before 20.04 releases - otherwise after 6 months we have dead packages in both multiverse and the Canonical archive
[17:07] <oSoMoN> gQuigs, chrisccoulson probably has thoughts on this
[18:27] <tkamppeter> RikMills, I have applied a workaround to Ghostscript now, so that it will build on ppc64el, see bug 1862053.
[18:31] <RikMills> tkamppeter: great :)
[18:33] <marcustomlinson> nie work tkamppeter
[18:33] <marcustomlinson> *nice
[18:42] <oSoMoN> have a good week-end everyone!
[18:51] <doko> tkamppeter, RikMills: as I said to Till, it's not my first priority, I need to fix other things first
[18:51] <tkamppeter> And now it built on ppc64el:
[18:51] <tkamppeter> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ghostscript/9.50~dfsg-5ubuntu1
[18:52] <RikMills> great. that should let me build a couple of things on ppc64el that broke due to ghostscript. thanks :)
[18:53] <RikMills> and I think should unbreak libreoffice build....


[01:03] <Sarvatt> johanbr: i'll add that patch and upload now, it'll probably take forever to get pushed to master
[01:03] <Sarvatt> then again it'll probably take 24 hours to build on launchpad too :D
[01:04] <johanbr> great, thank you
[01:04] <johanbr> I just finished building the package myself
[01:05] <johanbr> off to test if it works now :)
[01:12] <johanbr> Sarvatt, yep, the patch works fine... no more segfault
[01:17] <Sarvatt> glad to hear it, added it as a hook for auto-xorg-git too for the time being, its nice not having to manually edit anything before upload every new commit :D
[01:44] <Sarvatt> oops evdev 2.3.1 overrided git master, guess we're gonna have to fake the version number for master :D
[07:49] <tjaalton> upgraded, but the mouse and keyboard didn't work if I just logged out
[07:58] <tjaalton> and got failsafe after reboot
[07:58] <tjaalton> huh..
[11:19] <mac_v> if i add <  radeon.modeset=0  > to the kernel line , it would turn off KMS?
[11:20] <tjaalton> yes
[11:20] <mac_v> thanks :)
[11:25] <tjaalton> jcristau: so, we discussed with pitti about the udev rules and triggers. the drivers should really run udevadm, since for instance here xserver-xorg was configured before evdev, resulting in no kbd&mouse after a logout (sure, it yelled to reboot, but..)
[11:26] <jcristau> ok
[11:27] <jcristau> feel free to change that in git
[11:27] <jcristau> and add Depends: udev [linux-any] i guess
[11:27] <tjaalton> sure
[11:29] <tjaalton> our 64-xorg-xkb.rules didn't work at all, fixed :)
[11:30] <tjaalton> gconf settings overrode the defaults though, so I didn't notice it
[11:30] <jcristau> heh
[11:35] <jcristau> tjaalton: are you also adding xserver-xorg-input-{synaptics,evdev}-dev?
[11:36] <tjaalton> jcristau: for the headers?
[11:36] <jcristau> .h and .pc, yes
[11:37] <tjaalton> maybe I could
[11:38] <tjaalton> is there a postinst.in template I should use? looking at the xserver-xorg-core one..
[11:40] <jcristau> yeah stealing that seems fine
[11:49] <tjaalton> jcristau: ok, pushed evdev postinst with the trigger
[11:52] <jcristau> looks good
[11:52] <jcristau> i guess the server and synaptics need the same thing
[11:52] <tjaalton> yeå
[11:52] <tjaalton> uh
[11:52] <tjaalton> *yep
[11:53] <jcristau> :)
[11:53] <tjaalton> I need lunch.. the fingers are getting stiff :)
[12:00] <tjaalton> jcristau: and there goes evdev-dev
[12:00] <tjaalton> now lunch ->
[12:04] <jcristau> tjaalton: thanks!  i pushed a small fixup on top.  enjoy lunch :)
[12:23] <tjaalton> jcristau: oh yeah, copied the deps from some lib :)
[12:24] <jcristau> i figured ;)
[14:03] <mac_v> why is KMS turned off by default in .32-7 ?
[14:05] <tjaalton> because userspace is not ready
[14:21] <tjaalton> jcristau: wondering about the version comparison in xorg/evdev/synaptics. shouldn't the trigger run every time postinst is run?
[14:22] <jcristau> only when the rules changed i think
[14:22] <tjaalton> oh, good point
[17:44] <Sarvatt> oh good, the chrome beta build for linux is from right before all the rendering errors started happening in chromium. i thought they were intel related until i saw they happened on nvidia as well
[17:45] <Sarvatt> well it started around 4.0.260 in chromium and the chrome beta is based off of 11 days before that
[21:16] <notlistening> Hi, I am using the bleeding edge x release from PPA, i have two atom 330 machines both with ion graphics, one with the updated x-server and the other without and i am playing back a HD movie and getting about 90% CPU usage on the one with the PPA and 150% on the one without. Is this the updated version making a difference or do I have to look elsewhere? This is on Ubuntu 9.10 with the latest Beta Nvidia Drivers
[21:18] <notlistening> oh and using lucid
[21:19] <tormod> notlistening, you mean xorg-edgers PPA?
[21:20] <notlistening> yeah sorry i was not being exact with names there
[21:21] <tormod> lucid main has xserver 1.7, lucid xorg-edgers has xserver 1.8-pre-alpha, but I didn't know the nvidia blobs work with either
[21:21] <notlistening> Just trying to track down the performace differences
[21:22] <notlistening> oh I was just trying my luck :D
[21:22] <tormod> check the logs to see if there is any big difference there
[21:22] <notlistening> they wirjs fine so far as i can tell but i am not testing them beyong a media centres usage
[21:23] <notlistening> oh ok, I do remember enabling DRI2 as well i think
[21:24] <notlistening> should i report my findings?
[21:26] <tormod> only if you can single out some clear change, so far you findings are "anecdotal" to me :)
[21:27] <tormod> for instance, change between 1.7 and 1.8 on the same machine
[21:28] <notlistening> Ok i will try that now as i have the setups, are the test to run like glxgears and look for performance differences etc?
[21:28] <tormod> glxgears is famous for not being a good benchmark
[21:29] <tormod> playing the same movie and measure CPU is a bit better
[21:29] <tormod> is this a very new nvidia blob?
[21:52] <notlistening> tormod, what is a blob?
[21:54] <RAOF> Binary blob - proprietary, closed-source driver.
[21:54] <Sarvatt> the binary driver thats not open source, just a big binary blob packaged up :D
[21:54] <notlistening> thanks sorry quite new here
[21:55] <Sarvatt> you want to find vdpau enabled versions of the movie playback software and switch the renderer to vdpau on an ion platform though
[21:55] <Sarvatt> the stuff in ubuntu doesn't have it enabled last i checked?
[21:56] <notlistening> the driver was released on 24/11
[21:56] <Sarvatt> that'll let you use the hardware acceleration on the gpu to play things back, but theres restrictions on the formats that it can accelerate so not everything can be accelerated that way even
[21:57] <notlistening> I have added ppa for vdpau playback also
[21:57] <notlistening> and have been trying the new flash 10.1 beta too :D
[21:57] <Sarvatt> last i checked there were some packaging errors for the 190 and 195 nvidia blobs in that ppa that didnt uninstall cleanly though :(
[21:59] <Sarvatt> so are you using mplayer to play back movies, and did you pick vdpau as the renderer in preferences?
[21:59] <notlistening> the file i am trying is an avi file which is using Microsoft mp4 4.2
[22:00] <notlistening> I am using the built in movie player from XBMC running throught Boxee
[22:01] <notlistening> and have picked Vdpau, i have almost the same machine but have enabled the ppa on one and not the other and was trying to track down the performace enhancement
[22:02] <notlistening> I think i will tkae one step at a time and re do the install and see if i can pin point whats working and whats not
[22:03] <notlistening> and i am using the blob directly from nvidia installed manually in run lvl 1
[22:04] <notlistening> Will report back in a bit
[22:06] <Sarvatt> mp4 and avi are both container types not video formats though and using h264 in avi has some *horrible* limitations.. i wouldnt be surprised if it couldnt even accelerate the sample you're using
[22:13] <notlistening> Well something is giving me 50% less cpu usage so i will try to find out what
[22:21] <notlistening> on the edgers website it says the the current version in lucid is not usable in karmic?
[22:27] <tormod> notlistening, yes you should not install lucid packages in karmic, that means
[22:32] <Sarvatt> think we should enable glsl for r600 in mesa tormod?
[22:33] <tormod> Sarvatt, I did it once on request, didn't seem to break anything :)
[22:33] <tormod> it's not in git master for some reason though
[22:34] <Sarvatt> odd r600_context.h - Copyright (C) The Weather Channel, Inc.  2002.  All Rights Reserved.
[22:34] <tormod> all the initial ati 3d work was done for a weather forecast system...
[22:35] <tormod> but that was on r200 or r100, not r600 :)
[22:36] <Sarvatt> yeah it says radeon 8500 after it
[22:36] <Sarvatt> ohhh was that what the 0ubuntu0glsl was a few weeks ago?
[22:37] <tormod> Sarvatt, the glsl is a bit depending on what upstream wants in bug reports, whether they keep saying "please try with glsl" or "oh noes you have enabled glsl"
[22:37] <Sarvatt> i thought someone else on the team actually uploaded something
[22:37] <tormod> it was the "glsl special edition" for phoronix junkies
[22:38] <Sarvatt> surprised they didnt just make that a driconf option
[22:38] <tormod> yes that, or a ENV thing would have been so much nicer
[22:39] <Sarvatt> i've got fake a glsl support option in there on i915
[22:40] <tormod> Sarvatt, since it's a radeon only thing, I can push glsl builds in the radeon ppa
[22:47] <tormod> Sarvatt, once lucid has libdrm 2.4.16, I'll add glsl for radeon to my nightly script
[23:01] <maxb> So... now X is de-HAL-ized, how does one pass config options to input drivers now/
[23:01] <maxb> * ?
[23:01] <Sarvatt> which input driver?
[23:01] <maxb> synaptics
[23:02] <Sarvatt> synclient? xinput?
[23:02] <maxb> I can't survive without my circular scrolling, now I'm used to it
[23:02] <maxb> Aren't those both for run-time tweaks? How do I persist the settings?
[23:03] <Sarvatt> udev rule?
[23:03] <Sarvatt> gpointing-device-settings doesnt have an option for circular scrolling?
[23:03] <Sarvatt> i thought it did for some reason
[23:05] <Sarvatt> yeah gpointing-device-settings lets ya do it
[23:06] <Sarvatt> in system - preferences - pointing device - scrolling
[23:06] <maxb> Hmm... I don't have it installed. I'll try it once my current apt run finishes
[23:06] <maxb> thanks
[23:08] <Sarvatt> can probably just add ENV{x11_options.CircularScrolling}="1" to the synaptics udev rule though
[23:09] <Sarvatt> i think it's going to take input options like that in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ here soon?
[23:09] <Sarvatt> well probably not on xserver 1.7
[23:12] <jcristau> the x11_options in udev might not stay long..
[23:12] <jcristau> i'm kinda tempted to remove that
[23:15] <maxb> Any idea what the replacement will be?
[23:15] <jcristau> xorg.conf
[23:36] <Sarvatt> about Bug #438398.. that guy has a custom gcc symlink pointing to ccache, I have the same problem with my ccache symlinks not working right with DKMS too
[23:43] <Sarvatt> it runs as user nobody and tries to set up a new ccache folder for that user and fails completely yet dkms thinks it worked


[08:46] <vish> can someone ping me when they see daker around?
[08:55] <nisshh> sure vish :)
[08:55] <vish> danke! :)
[08:56] <nisshh> :)
[14:33] <dutchie> vish: daker's online
[14:34] <vish> dutchie: oh neat!  thx :)
[16:29] <daker> godbyk, anything about the staging server ?
[18:42] <thorwil> *yawn*
[20:27] <Muscovy> I take it we're in editing mode?
[22:07] <flan> Was any progress made on choosing screenshots?
[22:07] <flan> The server seems rather untouched.


[04:53] <CarlFK> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
[11:11] <xnox> is apt-install in ubiquity/success_command the only / best way of preseeding additional packages?
[11:21] <cjwatson> well, installer components should just run apt-install
[11:21] <cjwatson> what are you trying to do?


[08:08] <LocutusOfBorg> hello, I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but I found something interesting.
[08:08] <LocutusOfBorg> If I push here<EMAIL_ADDRESS>I can't create merge requests
[08:08] <LocutusOfBorg> while I can if I push here<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:08]  * LocutusOfBorg is really missing the "fork this repo" and "open a merge request" buttons :D
[08:23] <pelpsi> LocutusOfBorg: Hi! I'm investigating :)
[08:24] <LocutusOfBorg> pelpsi, thanks :D
[08:24] <LocutusOfBorg> I lost half an hour trying to do something useful, to later discover that I was doing it right, just on a "wrong" repo
[08:25] <LocutusOfBorg> oh if it helps, it works the other way around, from ubuntu-release to my repo (of course it's an empty merge request created)
[08:31] <pelpsi> I know that feels ahah it happens :) Btw, I can't see the following repo : https://code.launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+git/autopkgtest-package-configs
[08:39] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg: In general, you can only make merge proposals within the same namespace (the same project or package).
[08:40] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg: So for the personal namespace (/~OWNER/+git/NAME - no project or package), you can only make merge proposals between branches in that same repository.
[08:41] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg: https://help.launchpad.net/Code/Git does mention this, albeit briefly - "propose merges from one branch to another, including in a different repository, provided that they are against the same project or package"
[09:06] <LocutusOfBorg> oh... ok
[14:32] <yvs> Hello, a question about 'configure git code on launchpad site'. Can you give me hints howto refer to github repository on 'Configure code' page.
[14:32] <yvs> Putting https://github... in "Import a Git repository hosted somewhere else / Git repository URL" shows "There are 2 errors." with no reference where they are
[14:37] <pelpsi> yvs: Hi! Did you tried this ? https://help.launchpad.net/Code/Git
[14:39] <yvs> I suppose I went a bit wrong direction not reading enough about launchpad infrastructure, the goal was to create ppa deb repo with deb built from git github
[14:44] <pelpsi> yvs no problems at all! We're here to help you, did you found something useful in the linked guide ?
[14:51] <yvs> unfortunately, no. I've passed many pages reading on launchpad and haven't found howto create PPA with .deb from github source. Local debs are built from sources and built script is on github together with sources, but no idea howto refer to all that on launchapd
[15:05] <pelpsi> To create a PPA and upload to it:
[15:05] <pelpsi> You need an account on Launchpad. You need to have your GPG public key associated with that account.
[15:05] <pelpsi> Create a PPA on Launchpad under your account (or a team, if appropriate).
[15:05] <pelpsi> Locally (on your computer) build a signed, source build of the package, e.g. debuild -S -sa
[15:05] <pelpsi> Upload to the PPA: dput ppa:your_username/your_ppa_name
[15:05] <pelpsi> Repeat steps 3 and 4 as new versions of the software come out or when you need to modify the packaging.
[15:08] <pelpsi> I also saw that you imported your code successfully :)
[15:21] <yvs> Thanks, it's a bit complicated for me to get into this infrastructure, now it's scheduled to build - don't know how it'll be built just from std autotools files. lets see..
[15:21] <yvs> Anyway, thanks for hinting
[16:10] <pelpsi> yvs don't worry, we are here if you need help/support