[03:06] <baltazar> any way of getting anything that would allow me to do "open as root" or "open as administrator" for kubuntu 18.04
[03:07] <valorie> I hope not
[03:08] <valorie> that's a TERRIBLE idea
[03:08] <valorie> !root
[03:08] <valorie> running gui things as sudo will screw up permissions
[03:08] <valorie> !permissions
[03:10] <baltazar> over 10 years using linux... opening directories that the now domb bfilemanegers refuse to open, and being able to fire up the editor to edit the file with no issues.... WHATS THE PROBLEM THERE?
[03:11] <baltazar> am anoyed
[03:12] <baltazar> do I have to install proper debian with a proper user and root account to be able to use my computer?
[03:12] <valorie> any distro that allows this IMO is a very bad distro
[03:12] <valorie> of course you can use sudo su in the commandline
[03:12] <valorie> but running any gui that way
[03:13] <valorie> well, I've already said
[03:13]  * valorie has been using linux for far more than 10 years
[03:14] <baltazar> ... I guess security... of myself...
[03:16] <baltazar> but it is annoying to say the least....  GNOME... and KDE has no Screen saver... what's next, a registry editor?
[03:17] <baltazar> never liked the sudo bussness...
[03:18] <Greenfrog> kde has a screen saver install and run xscreensaver
[03:19] <Greenfrog> i have it works fine
[03:20] <baltazar> yes... yes... which has to be install!
[03:21] <baltazar> and probably will get depricated soon...
[03:21] <valorie> because most screensavers are not secure
[03:21] <baltazar> see...
[03:21] <valorie> part of the point of linux is security
[03:21] <baltazar> mouse is not secure... lets cut that to...
[03:21] <valorie> not all systems are private
[03:22] <Greenfrog> so what is your issue? cant install xscreensaver or mad because it will soon be depreciated?
[03:22] <valorie> many computers are shared with others
[03:22] <baltazar> lets do do a gnome...
[03:22] <Greenfrog> i dont know gnome ony kde
[03:22] <valorie> this channel is for support, not arguing
[03:23] <Greenfrog> which uses unity/plasma
[03:23] <valorie> please move to #kubuntu-offtopic for anything else
[03:23] <Greenfrog> i dont wish to argue thanks valorie :)
[03:24] <Greenfrog> this person asked a question i tried to help
[03:24] <baltazar> my issue, I need to access a directory, and edit a file... and am unable to do so thru the GUI... am being forsed to use CLI
[03:25] <Greenfrog> i dunno ask someone else
[03:25] <valorie> you can access any directory and edit any file
[03:25] <valorie> the gui will notify you if you need to escalate permissions
[03:25] <Greenfrog> yes thats true
[03:26] <valorie> kate works great!
[03:26] <Greenfrog> i had to use sudo chown command to access files that didnt have permissions
[03:27] <baltazar> am not able to gain access with Dolphin...
[03:27] <Greenfrog> use konsole
[03:27] <baltazar> even dumb windows allows to edit or open as administrator
[03:28] <Greenfrog> ur not in windows
[03:28] <Greenfrog> the syntax is different
[03:28] <baltazar> I was able to do this... in linux
[03:28] <baltazar> edit as root (admin)
[03:29] <baltazar> now the GUI does not allow that
[03:29] <Greenfrog> ok but what distro are you using?
[03:29] <valorie> windows is insecure by design
[03:29] <baltazar> kubuntu 18.04
[03:29] <Greenfrog> ok good
[03:30] <Greenfrog> go to discover and enter xscreensaver and install
 baltazar, open the desired protected file with kate and kate will prompt for password upon save.
[03:30] <baltazar> I need to edit a file in an external SD card file that I need to access as admin
[03:30] <Greenfrog> i did it it worked
[03:31] <baltazar> I cant access the directory content
[03:31] <Greenfrog> do you not knw your password?
[03:31] <baltazar> ...
[03:31] <Greenfrog> know*
[03:31] <baltazar> YES... buit no worries... I will do this some other day...
[03:31] <baltazar> have a good night
[03:31] <Greenfrog> ok thans for visiting :)
[03:33] <Greenfrog> valorie: you seem quite knowlegable have you been in kubuntu long?
[03:33] <valorie> yes
[03:33] <Greenfrog> i'm still a n00b
[03:34] <valorie> user for many years; part of the team now
[03:34] <Greenfrog> how long might i ask
[03:34] <valorie> oh gosh
[03:34] <valorie> let me see how old my irc logs are
[03:34] <valorie> :-)
[03:35] <Greenfrog> i'm not trying to date you just ask of your experience
[03:35] <Greenfrog> i left redhat 8 now trying to regain momentum
[03:36] <valorie> maybe 2011
[03:36] <valorie> good; happily married already
[03:36] <valorie> lol
[03:36] <Greenfrog> yes and i'm very dated :P
[03:36] <IrcsomeBot2> <Mpho Jele> Uhm, good morning
[03:36] <Greenfrog> ok thats nice
[03:37] <Greenfrog> good morning Mpho jele
[03:38] <IrcsomeBot2> <Mpho Jele> May I ask, does anyone know how I can download nodejs?
[03:38] <Greenfrog> valorie: i'm glad for you
[03:38] <valorie> !nodejs
[03:38] <valorie> uh, I mean
[03:38] <valorie> !info nodejs
[03:39] <Greenfrog> if its a bionic package is there a problem dowloading?
[03:39] <valorie> @Mpho Jele - in linux one generally installs from the archive, not downloads
[03:39] <valorie> unless you have a need to build it for yourself
[03:40]  * Greenfrog valorie would know
[03:40] <valorie> @Mpho Jele what version of Kubuntu are you running?
[03:40] <Greenfrog> yes good question
[03:41] <IrcsomeBot2> <Mpho Jele> 🙄uhm the latest? How do I check the version?
[03:41] <valorie> you can ask krunner by clicking alt+space
[03:42] <valorie> and typing about system
[03:42] <valorie> choose that and it will be displayed
[03:42] <Greenfrog> hum, i'll try that too, just to look
[03:43] <valorie> krunner is endlessly useful
[03:43] <valorie> it can even do maths for you
[03:44] <valorie> look up files, run some commands, launch apps
[03:44] <valorie> so much
[03:44] <Greenfrog> nice
[03:44] <IrcsomeBot2> <Mpho Jele> It's 18.04.2 LTS (I'm a very new new user, who mistakenly wide out windows trying to dual boot but Kubuntu is turning out "kinda" great)
[03:45] <valorie> @Mpho Jele - it might not be wiped out
[03:45] <valorie> it's possible grub just doesn't see it
[03:45] <valorie> Kubuntu is great, yes
[03:46] <valorie> if you want to install something, just type Discover into krunner
[03:46] <Greenfrog> krunner doesnt bring that
[03:46] <valorie> and search for nodejs in discover and tell it to install
[03:46] <IrcsomeBot2> <Mpho Jele> Oh, I don't care anymore, I've moved on, though it's only been a day
[03:46] <Greenfrog> up for me
[03:46] <valorie> krunner won't find windows, no
[03:47] <IrcsomeBot2> <Mpho Jele> Anyways, so I should go to node.js website and I'll find the archive there?
[03:47] <valorie> no
[03:47] <valorie> I just said: launch discover and get it from there
[03:47] <valorie> installing things from random websites is a very bad idea
[03:47] <valorie> and really I can't believe windows still does it that way
[03:47] <valorie> ugh
[03:48] <valorie> I have a win VM and was shocked to discover that
[03:48] <IrcsomeBot2> <Mpho Jele> @valorie, I'm on discover and I'm not finding node.js
[03:48] <valorie> no dot
[03:48] <valorie> just nodejs
[03:48] <valorie> is the packagename
[03:49] <valorie> just "node" should bring it up
[03:50] <valorie> ha, I couldn't find it either
[03:50] <valorie> until I looked in "installed"
[03:50] <valorie> already installed
[03:50] <IrcsomeBot2> <Mpho Jele> Comes pre-installed?
[03:51] <valorie> that I don't know
[03:52] <valorie> search your installed -- its at the bottom in discover
[03:52] <valorie> to be honest I usually use the commandline because it's quicker
[03:52] <valorie> but I test discover all the time as well
 Thanks, I just installed it. You are very helpful👍
[03:54] <valorie> :-)
[03:54] <valorie> glad to hear it
[03:54] <valorie> not that I hear good things about node.js!
[03:55] <Greenfrog> yes look at installed
 @valorie, On Kubuntu or in general?
[03:55] <valorie> in general
[03:55] <valorie> I trust the packages from the archive
[03:55] <valorie> it's more the coding practices
[03:56] <valorie> bit of a security nightmare
[03:56] <Greenfrog> yes the packages from discover have been verified
[03:56] <valorie> so much testing
[03:56] <Greenfrog> well, we are the beta group i guess
 so I'll opt to python but for now I'm still on a journey with javascript, i just use node for only simple, like basic serving tasks
[04:07] <valorie> Greenfrog: funny you should say that since I'm planning on upgrading to the beta a bit later
[04:07] <valorie> I already am running it on my travel laptop
[04:08] <valorie> by release we've done lots of testing at every level
[04:08] <Greenfrog> what app are we discussing?
[04:09] <Greenfrog> yes i understand that but all contingencies cant be accounted for
[04:10] <Greenfrog> someone will encounter a break
[04:10] <Greenfrog> its the nature of the biz
[04:10] <valorie> oh of course
[04:10] <valorie> that doesn't mean that we are beta testers
[04:11] <Greenfrog> ok really jk'ding
[04:11] <Greenfrog> but we do have an influence
[04:12] <Greenfrog> those in the trenches do have a voice
[04:13] <Greenfrog> hello scottin :)
[04:15] <Greenfrog> must b a random login :P
[04:31] <Greenfrog> How many help desk personnel does it take to change a light bulb?
[04:32] <Greenfrog> None - we have the same model of lightbulb and ours is working fine.
[04:32] <Greenfrog> And they'll just tell you to try turning it off and back on again.
[04:35] <valorie> ha
[04:35] <valorie> that said, one of my kids does customer service for System76
[04:35] <valorie> and he's great
[04:35] <Greenfrog> person calling tech support "it says install disc 3 and all i can get into that little slot is 2
[04:36] <Greenfrog> i'm sure he's thrilled
[04:36] <valorie> ha
[04:37] <Greenfrog> what is system 76?
[04:37] <valorie> they make linux computers
[04:37] <Greenfrog> oh
[04:38] <Greenfrog> didnt know that
[04:38] <Greenfrog> How many developers does it take to change a light bulb?
[04:39] <Greenfrog> I'm gonna need some specs or an outline of the scope, if you want me to give a realistic answer.
[04:40] <Greenfrog> does he like it?
[04:42] <valorie> he does
[04:42] <Greenfrog> hi james
[04:42] <valorie> sorry if I'm unresponsive but this is a help/support channel
[04:42] <Greenfrog> well, thats a foot in the right derection
[04:42] <valorie> use the -offtopic chan for jokes etc.
[04:42]  * valorie is working
[04:42] <Greenfrog> ok sorry
[04:43] <Greenfrog> wont happen again
[04:45] <Greenfrog> i considered a networking job once, in 2000 but the dot com bubble recked that
[04:46] <Greenfrog> but then again maybe i wasnt driven enough
[04:47] <Greenfrog> hi wardread :}
[04:47] <Greenfrog> wardred
[04:48] <Greenfrog> wow, in again out agian
[04:50] <Greenfrog> valorie: i'm gussing your running kubuntu?
[04:51] <Greenfrog> what made you decide for that?
[04:52] <Greenfrog> i like the kde desktop that's what swayed me
[04:53] <Greenfrog> ok, i guess its getting late i'll leave you alone
[05:02] <valorie> I loved it at first sight and have been running it ever since
[05:03] <valorie> am now on 18.10 and if I get time tonight will upgrade to the beta
[05:10] <Greenfrog> it appears to me if you upgradt to 18.10 its not LTS
[05:11] <Greenfrog> thats why i havent
[05:13] <Greenfrog> going to call it a night night night
[05:51] <valorie> right, I never stay on the LTS
[05:51] <valorie> now on the beta! \o/
[06:26] <lordievader> Good  morning
[06:55] <godaa> Hello
[06:56] <godaa> I have trouble setting up kde connectt
[06:56] <godaa> can someone help me out?
[06:57] <valorie> godaa: can you be more specifi?
[06:57] <godaa> Yes
[06:57] <valorie> do you have it installed on your computer and one your phone?
[06:57] <godaa> When I launch kde connect
[06:57] <valorie> on your computer, or your phone?
[06:57] <godaa> instead of my hostname is recieve this message
[06:57] <godaa> Message recipient disconnected from message bus without replying
[06:58] <godaa> On my computer
[06:58] <valorie> do you have it installed on your phone?
[06:58] <godaa> yes
[06:59] <godaa> It] works with my other laptop which has manjaro kde installed
[06:59] <valorie> ok, are they both the same version?
[06:59] <valorie> that's key
[06:59] <godaa> How do I check version>
[06:59] <godaa> ?
[06:59] <valorie> version numbers must match
[06:59] <valorie> easiest on your computer is in the commandline
[06:59] <valorie> uh, sec
[07:00] <godaa> it is 1.3.3
[07:00] <godaa> On my computer
[07:00] <valorie> apt-cache policy kdeconnect
[07:01] <valorie> on your phone -- I think you can check in Google Play
[07:01] <valorie> or FDroid
[07:01] <valorie> however you installed it
[07:01] <godaa> On phone it is 1.12.6
[07:01] <godaa> The latest on google play
[07:02] <godaa> I think the problem is on the computer end
[07:02] <valorie> yes, looks like it
[07:02] <valorie> what version of Kubuntu are you running?
[07:02] <godaa> 18.10
[07:03] <valorie> deconnect:
[07:03] <valorie>   Installed: 1.3.4-0ubuntu1
[07:03] <valorie> is what I have
[07:04] <godaa> What kubuntu version?
[07:04] <valorie> well, I did just upgrade to the beta of 19.04
[07:04] <valorie> so I don't know if it changed or not
[07:04] <valorie> !info kdeconnect
[07:04] <valorie> there you go
[07:05] <godaa> Wait let met try updating
[07:05] <valorie> so I suggest sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade kdeconnect
[07:06] <valorie> of course I always run the backports PPA too
[07:06] <valorie> to get the latest
[07:06] <valorie> !backports
[07:09] <godaa> !backports
[07:09] <godaa> Are you able to visit kde.org?
[07:09] <godaa> community.kde.org?
[07:10] <godaa> I am getting an Error code 22?
 If your KDE Connect isn't showing up or pairing look at your firewall. Add these in Konsole: sudo ufw allow 1714:1764/udp … sudo ufw allow 1714:1764/tcp
[07:10] <valorie> yes, there is an issue tonight with them
[07:11] <valorie> transient though
[07:11] <valorie> after a bit they work
[07:11] <valorie> very strange
[07:11] <godaa> I updated and 1.3.3 is the latest
[07:12] <valorie> ok
[07:12] <valorie> now does it pair?
[07:12] <valorie> I found it works best from the phone to the computer
[07:13] <valorie> and remove the old pairing first
[07:13] <godaa> do i need to reboot after updating firewall rules?
 no
[07:13] <valorie> I doubt it
[07:14] <godaa> My firewall is inactive
[07:14] <godaa> ufw status outputs -> status:inactive
[07:15] <godaa> Let me reboot
[07:17] <godaaa> I rebooted still no luck
[07:18] <valorie> I just followed my own advice and it's working
[07:19] <valorie> so you have matching versions and still no pairing?
[07:19] <godaaa> dmesg output: [   14.869430] kdeconnectd[1535]: segfault at 20 ip 00007f602ad5c757 sp 00007ffecf3e4850 error 4 in libQt5Network.so.5.11.1[7f602ac64000+118000]
[07:19] <valorie> have you removed the old pairing?
[07:19] <godaaa> yes
[07:19] <valorie> and done discovery again?
[07:19] <godaaa> yes
[07:19] <valorie> they are on the same network
[07:19] <valorie> yes?
[07:20] <valorie> I'm guessing you need #kdeconnect because I have nothing more to offer
[07:21] <godaaa> ?
[07:21] <valorie> they are moving the channel to a new matrix bridge
[07:21] <godaaa> okay
[07:21] <valorie> if you don't want to see that hide joins & parts in your irc client
[07:22] <godaaa> dmesg: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KkFzzTpSPy/
[07:23] <valorie> godaaa: none of that means anything to me
[07:23] <godaaa> I will try adding ppa
[07:23] <valorie> however #kdeconnect can help
[07:25] <godaaa> E: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/indicator-kdeconnect/ubuntu cosmic Release' does not have a Release file.
[07:25] <godaaa> N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
[07:25] <godaaa> N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
[07:25] <godaaa> How do I resolve this?
[07:25] <valorie> if you have matching versions, then that is not the issue
[07:25] <valorie> please ask in #kdeconnect where the devels are
[07:25] <godaaa> Ok
[07:26] <valorie> best wishes to get it resolved
[07:26] <valorie> I love kdeconnect
[07:29] <godaaa> Thanks
[10:48] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:23] <rebab> I have hidden Artha (dictionary) by mistake. Now I can't see the app on the deskbar. How can I fix it?
[14:01] <piotrj3> kubuntu 19.04 has interesting effects...
[14:02] <piotrj3> https://i.imgur.com/GQuQURW.jpg
[15:52] <inspectorcluseau> ;;tlast
[22:52] <LINKSWORD2> There we go.
[22:53] <LINKSWORD2> Hey everybody.
[22:55] <LINKSWORD2> Does anybody know why a PS/2 mouse isn't working on Kubuntu?
[22:55] <LINKSWORD2> Batteries are good, etc.
[22:56] <Dragnslcr> A PS/2 mouse with batteries?
[22:59] <LINKSWORD2> Wireless PS/2 mouse. I'm using the accompanying keyboard out of the mouse/keyboard set.
[22:59] <LINKSWORD2> Both are wireless, and I'm currently still using the keyboard.
[23:01] <Dragnslcr> I don't remember wireless PS/2 keyboards and mice at all
[23:03] <LINKSWORD2> LOL
[23:07] <LINKSWORD2>  /quit


[20:57] <Eickmeyer> The edit I just made for !rt is to correct a spelling mistake.
[20:58] <hggdh> Eickmeyer: already fixed, thanks due to dax
[20:58] <dax> gotta go fast
[21:00] <Eickmeyer> Fast dax is fast!
[21:00]  * Eickmeyer will be out most of the weekend, available sporadically.