[12:09] <bdmurray> Bassetts: What did you use for that?
[12:09] <Bassetts> its set to launch the media player by default
[12:10] <bdmurray> I meant did you use showkey to figure that out?
[12:10] <Bassetts> no
[12:10] <Bassetts> its in the keyboard shortcut editor
[12:10] <Bassetts> just 0xed
[12:10] <ubotu> New bug: #120628 in cyrus-sasl2-mit (universe) "[Remove]  Please remove cyrus-sasl2-mit from gutsy (universe) (superseded by cyrus-sasl2)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120628
[12:10] <Bassetts> i have no idea what key that is
[12:36] <ubotu> New bug: #120631 in oregano (universe) "Unable to place wires at all after selecting label tool" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120631
[12:45] <pochu> Laibsch: this is the reason: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/bughelper/2007-April/000510.html
[12:50] <Laibsch> pochu: Don't think so
[12:50] <Laibsch> bughelper is from the installed packages
[12:51] <pochu> Weren't you using Dapper?
[12:55] <bdmurray> Laibsch: I think there is a separate bzr repository if you need a later version of it
[12:55] <bdmurray> http://bazaar-vcs.org/DistroDownloads
[01:16] <ubotu> New bug: #120632 in qgis (universe) "Merge qgis 0.8.0-4 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120632
[01:20] <ubotu> New bug: #120633 in telepathy-mission-control (universe) "Sync telepathy-mission-control 4.24-1 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120633
[01:25] <ubotu> New bug: #120634 in firefox (main) "firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120634
[01:25] <ubotu> New bug: #120635 in openoffice.org (main) "OpenOffice document converter wizard is broken" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120635
[01:35] <ubotu> New bug: #120637 in moodle (universe) "Merge moodle 1.8.1-1 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120637
[01:37] <Laibsch> pochu: I am using edgy
[01:38] <Laibsch> But as suggested I just installed the couple of debs from feisty
[01:39] <bdmurray> Laibsch: Did that work? Installing feisty debs on edgy wasn't what I intended.
[01:39] <pochu> Laibsch: which ones?
[01:40] <pochu> bdmurray: it didn't. He gets a traceback.
[01:41] <Laibsch> well, all the dependencies are fulfilled
[01:41] <calc> bdmurray: are there release tags of some sort for bugs?
[01:41] <Laibsch> So they are not correctly declared
[01:41] <calc> bdmurray: eg the user knows the bug is fixed in new revision so i could tag it for dapper
[01:42] <pochu> calc: you can open a dapper task.
[01:42] <calc> pochu: how do i do that?
[01:43] <bdmurray> The bzr people provide repos for dapper instead of going through the sru process - I think.
[01:43] <calc> or should i assign it milestone of dapper-updates?
[01:43] <bdmurray> calc: what exactly are you trying to accomplish?
[01:43] <calc> bug 84268
[01:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 84268 in openoffice.org "OpenOffice/cups Interaction on differing PPD files causes OO.o to lock up" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84268
[01:43] <calc> that bug is fixed in current releases and i wanted to tag it dapper in some way
[01:44] <pochu> calc: in the url, add 'dapper' after .net/ubuntu/, so you get .net/ubuntu/dapper/..., and then click on 'Fix this also in Dapper'
[01:44] <calc> so anyone who ends up doing a backport could(?) look at it
[01:44] <bdmurray> If you want it fixed in dapper is that your intent?
[01:44] <calc> bdmurray: yea
[01:45] <pochu> calc: try that ^
[01:45] <ubotu> New bug: #120639 in Ubuntu "The sound is not playing after installing the ubuntu in Toshiba Satellite" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120639
[01:46] <calc> bdmurray: if the master task is marked fixed does that make the dapper one show as fixed also?
[01:46] <calc> eg can i mark "openoffice.org (Ubuntu)" as fixed and leave it unfixed for dapper?
[01:46] <calc> or will it be hard to find in that case?
[01:46] <bdmurray> No, I think it will show up 2x in a launchpad query.  1 as fixed 1 as not.
[01:46] <calc> ok
[01:49] <bdmurray> calc: have you seen the sru process?
[01:50] <crimsun> 120639 is one of many dupes
[01:50] <crimsun> I don't have the bandwidth ATM to search for its master
[01:50] <calc> bdmurray: not yet
[01:51] <bdmurray> crimsun: do you have a list anywhere?
[01:51] <bdmurray> !sru
[01:51] <ubotu> Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates for main and restricted, while https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU is for universe and multiverse.
[01:52] <crimsun> 120639 is caused by a broken DSDT compiled by the Microsoft ASL compiler
[01:52] <crimsun> bdmurray: not off the top of my head; LP will timeout here due to flaky local wifi connection
[01:53] <bdmurray> crimsun: for any toshiba satellite?
[01:56] <crimsun> bdmurray: any P100 and A1*
[01:56] <crimsun> P100s and A13* are the most common due to their low cost and utter craptitude
[01:57] <crimsun> I should say P1* and A13*, but whatever
[01:59] <bdmurray> The bug report is of questionable quality.
[02:01] <calc> whee i've tried to triage ~ 30 bugs so far today
[02:02] <calc> had a few that i will need to run kubuntu or 64bit to verify
[02:02] <calc> i think i have suceeded on about 15 of those, heh
[02:03] <calc> closed... 3 :\
[02:05] <bdmurray> calc: I'm running 64 bit kubuntu if you need something tested
[02:07] <calc> ok lemme see
[02:07] <calc> bug 74393
[02:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 74393 in openoffice.org "Openoffice hangs with JRE enabled " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/74393
[02:07] <calc> you can have that bug if you would like ;)
[02:08] <calc> it works fine on i386 ubuntu 7.04
[02:09] <bdmurray> jre stuff is hard
[02:09] <calc> heh yea, well it should be pretty easy to see if it still happens at least
[02:09] <calc> just open one window and if it hangs its not fixed ;)
[02:10] <ubotu> New bug: #120641 in tracker (universe) "results on directories that should no more be watched" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120641
[02:11] <bdmurray> ran throught the fax wizard and it seems fine
[02:12] <bdmurray> does that use the jre?
[02:14] <calc> bdmurray: not sure, the problem listed in the bug mentions it is slow even to go to tools->options->java
[02:14] <bdmurray> yeah, that was fine too
[02:15] <calc> ok i'll contact the original submitter to see if it works for him on 7.04
[02:15] <bdmurray> btw what is openoffice.org-qa-ui-tests ?
[02:16] <calc> dunno, haven't looked at it yet
[02:16] <calc>  This package contains test scripts for the OpenOffice.org automated
[02:16] <calc>  UI testtool.
[02:16] <calc> ^ i'm guessing the above
[02:16] <bdmurray> I read that too. :)
[02:17] <bdmurray> maybe next week
[02:18] <calc> bdmurray: got a couple more for you if you want, 72796 73676
[02:18] <bdmurray> bug 72796
[02:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 72796 in openoffice.org "Anti-aliasing-option in OpenOffice does not work, when Anti-Aliasing is turned off in KDE system settings" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/72796
[02:18] <bdmurray> bug 73676
[02:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 73676 in openoffice.org "Kubuntu Edgy - smb bug" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/73676
[02:20] <ubotu> New bug: #120642 in vpnc (universe) "Merge vpnc 0.4.0-3 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120642
[02:25] <ubotu> New bug: #120643 in Ubuntu "Feisty Fawn: ntfs-3g ceased to work afetr software update" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120643
[02:26] <bdmurray> calc: I added a screenshot to the aa bug
[02:27] <bdmurray> the smb one I can't do at the moment.
[02:29] <calc> bdmurray: ok no problem
[02:31] <calc> bdmurray: your screenshot seems to indicate that OOo is AA'd
[02:31] <calc> at least when i zoomed in with xmag it looked like it was
[02:32] <calc> actually it looks like KDE is in AA mode as well
[02:32] <calc> i zoomed in on the taskbar and see aliased fonts
[02:32] <calc> so you confirmed it is fixed?
[02:37] <calc> bdmurray: hello?
[02:46] <ubotu> New bug: #120645 in evolution (main) "Exchange "Sent" email always at bottom of Unmatched vFolder, in front of new "received" email" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120645
[02:47] <bdmurray> calc: sorry I was at dinner
[02:48] <bdmurray> I did not restart KDE after turning off AA
[02:48] <bdmurray> but new applications should have AA turned off
[02:48] <calc> i think the bug report was that when KDE has AA turned off and you turn on AA in OOo it doesn't actually turn on
[02:49] <calc> at least that is how i read it
[02:50] <calc> so it looks like your screenshot may indicate it is "fixed" but restarting kde would be needed to see if that is actually the case
[02:50] <calc> i can do it later if you are where you can't easily restart kde
[02:50] <bdmurray> The text inside the document looks wacky to me though
[02:51] <calc> in the screenshot it looks like normal AA'd text to me, am i missing something?
[02:52] <bdmurray> probably not, I'll try and test it with restarting kde later on tonight
[02:52] <calc> ok, thanks :)
[02:53] <calc> i'm headed out to dinner now, i should be back in a couple hours
[02:53] <bdmurray> yep, see you in a bit then
[02:55] <ubotu> New bug: #120646 in Ubuntu "external ext3 format hardrive cuases nautilus to freeze - Gutsy alpha tribe 1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120646
[04:11] <ubotu> New bug: #120648 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu only doesn't like apic" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120648
[04:34] <calc> back
[04:41] <calc> closed 5 bugs today so far, whee
[05:06] <ubotu> New bug: #120649 in heimdal (universe) "hdb-ldap is broken in 0.7.2 when used with samba-ldap" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120649
[05:15] <ubotu> New bug: #120650 in python-xlib (universe) "Please sync python-xlib (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120650
[05:55] <ubotu> New bug: #120652 in gnome-volume-manager (main) "External disk drives with the same vendor name conflict with gnome-volume-manager" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120652
[06:00] <ubotu> New bug: #120654 in firefox (main) "borders of address and tabs bars look displaced" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120654
[06:14] <calc> so tired of triaging bugs today, think i'll take a break
[06:15] <calc> went through 46 reports today, not too bad
[06:16] <calc> cjwatson1: you're up early
[06:19] <crimsun> given the interval, they look to be autoreconnects given the 600-second timeout
[06:29] <calc> crimsun: ah ok
[06:35] <ubotu> New bug: #120655 in pidgin (main) "Upgrade pidgin to 2.0.2" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120655
[06:42] <calc> crimsun: bugs like bug 120359 should just be rejected right?
[06:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120359 in openoffice.org "Update feisty openoffice.org pkg to 2.2.1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120359
[06:43] <calc> crimsun: or is there something i don't know about wrt updating already released software?
[06:43] <crimsun> there would be feisty-backports, except 2.2.1 hasn't landed at all in gutsy.
[06:43] <crimsun> mark it confirmed,wishlist
[06:43] <calc> ok
[07:01] <ubotu> New bug: #120656 in Ubuntu "software sources doesn't work at Gutsy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120656
[07:30] <ubotu> New bug: #120657 in soundconverter (universe) "Character escape problem when using same folder as destination." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120657
[07:46] <ubotu> New bug: #120658 in gnome-menus (main) "gnome-menus builds against python2.4" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120658
[07:46] <ubotu> New bug: #120659 in bzr (main) "bzr builds against python2.4" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120659
[07:51] <ubotu> New bug: #120660 in bzrtools (main) "bzrtools builds against python2.4" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120660
[07:51] <ubotu> New bug: #120661 in restricted-manager (main) "start ubuntu throwse crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120661
[08:00] <ubotu> New bug: #120662 in aptitude (main) "aptitude doesn't report broken package dependencies" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120662
[08:00] <ubotu> New bug: #120663 in Ubuntu "Removable drives not working properly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120663
[08:10] <ubotu> New bug: #120664 in typo3-dummy (universe) "4.1.1+debian-1 depends on typo3-src-4.0" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120664
[08:20] <ubotu> New bug: #120665 in firefox (main) "Firefox crash without a cause" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120665
[08:55] <ubotu> New bug: #120668 in displayconfig-gtk (universe) "displayconfig-gtk crashed with IndexError in _syncXorgConfig()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120668
[09:05] <ubotu> New bug: #120669 in istanbul (universe) "No player can play screencasts recorded with Istanbul" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120669
[09:16] <ubotu> New bug: #120670 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Second suspend hangs with password dialog and frozen keyboard" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120670
[10:18] <dsas> anybody know the name of the package which contains the k system settings stuff (bug: 111032)
[10:19] <Arby> dsas: it's just kde-systemsettings I think
[10:20] <Arby> bug 111032
[10:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111032 in Ubuntu "Usability glitches in default browser selection" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111032
[10:20] <dsas> Arby: ah, I was trying Kfoo rather than KDEfoo
[10:20] <dsas> Arby: thanks!
[10:20] <Arby> yw
[10:50] <the_dark_lord> hey
[10:52] <Hobbsee> hiya
[10:54] <the_dark_lord> how are the bugs doing
[10:54] <the_dark_lord> ?
[10:55] <Hobbsee> going down, hopefully :)
[10:56] <the_dark_lord> :)
[10:56] <the_dark_lord> can you help me with bug fixing?
[10:57] <the_dark_lord> i'm new
[10:57] <Hobbsee> can try.
[10:58] <Hobbsee> youv'e seen the links in the topic/
[10:59] <the_dark_lord> thanks coNP
[11:00] <ubotu> New bug: #120671 in mysql-admin (universe) "mysql admin crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120671
[11:00] <the_dark_lord> coNP: take a look at this bug
[11:00] <the_dark_lord> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/72458
[11:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 72458 in firefox "Firefox icon is too big" [Low,Confirmed]
[11:01] <the_dark_lord> any idea how to fix it?
[11:01] <coNP> looking
[11:02] <coNP> It seems asac has volunteered to mentor fixing this bug I suppose it it the best to ask him first
[11:03] <pochu> heya coNP :)
[11:03] <the_dark_lord> yes
[11:03] <the_dark_lord> hey again pochu
[11:04] <pochu> hello the_dark_lord!
[11:04] <the_dark_lord> coNP: any way i can message asac?
[11:04] <pochu> It's cool how we are doing in the last 30 days: http://people.ubuntu-in.org/~carthik/bugstats/
[11:04] <the_dark_lord> pochu: hiya, still learning :D
[11:04] <coNP> actually his name has been mentioned twice in the latest 5 minutes, just wait if he answers
[11:04] <pochu> the_dark_lord: he's in the channel, so just prefix a message with his nick
[11:04] <pochu> the_dark_lord: Cool, rock on :)
[11:05] <coNP> pochu: we already did that twice :)
[11:05] <pochu> hehe
[11:06] <the_dark_lord> asac: hey
[11:08] <the_dark_lord> pochu: where are you from?
[11:08] <pochu> Spain
[11:08] <the_dark_lord> and you coNP?
[11:08] <the_dark_lord> cool
[11:08] <coNP> Hungary, and you, the_dark_lord ?
[11:08] <the_dark_lord> i'm from India
[11:09] <the_dark_lord> how'
[11:09] <the_dark_lord> 's it in spain and Hungary?
[11:09] <pochu> the creator of http://people.ubuntu-in.org/~carthik/bugstats/ is indian too :)
[11:09] <pochu> Hot :/
[11:10] <coNP> same here...
[11:10] <jovans> whats with the kernel update is it done?
[11:10] <the_dark_lord> great :)
[11:10] <the_dark_lord> is his name carthik/ karthik ?
[11:10] <the_dark_lord> 29'C here
[11:11] <pochu> I think so.
[11:12] <the_dark_lord> oh, okay
[11:12] <the_dark_lord> is asac asleep?
[11:14] <coNP> the_dark_lord: maybe you shouldn't focus on a single bug so much if you want to help out with bugs. You might wait for asac now or find another bug to triage / fix.
[11:14] <the_dark_lord> oh, thanks coNP
[11:15] <the_dark_lord> i just thought i would start with one
[11:15] <the_dark_lord> finish it
[11:15] <the_dark_lord> then move on
[11:15] <pochu> You can leave it for a bit later :)
[11:16] <coNP> and move on :)
[11:16] <the_dark_lord> alright, guys :)
[11:26] <the_dark_lord> Admiral_Chicago: hello?
[11:49] <the_dark_lord> asac: hello?
[11:54] <the_dark_lord> Admiral_Chicago: hello?
[11:56] <JenFraggle> the_dark_lord: not sure when america will be up and about, it's probably breakfast time over there now
[11:58] <the_dark_lord> oh
[11:58] <the_dark_lord> thanks for the info, JenFraggle
[12:00] <ubotu> New bug: #120672 in thunderbird (main) "No option to delete messages when right clicking on Junk folder" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120672
[12:06] <ubotu> New bug: #120673 in swfdec-mozilla (universe) "make binary of swfdec-mozilla" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120673
[12:11] <ubotu> New bug: #120674 in ktorrent (main) "ktorrent crashed with signal 7" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120674
[12:12] <asac> the_dark_lord: pong
[12:13] <coNP> hoooray :)
[12:16] <the_dark_lord> asac: hey
[12:16] <ubotu> New bug: #120676 in totem (main) "squid problem (dup-of: 120675)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120676
[12:16] <Admiral_Chicago> the_dark_lord: hello?
[12:16] <the_dark_lord> sorry, wasn't here
[12:16] <the_dark_lord> Admiral_Chicago: hello
[12:16] <Admiral_Chicago> can i help you
[12:16] <the_dark_lord> sure
[12:16] <the_dark_lord> one sec
[12:17] <asac> what can i do?
[12:17] <the_dark_lord> asac: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/72458
[12:17] <asac> which bug do you want to help on?
[12:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 72458 in firefox "Firefox icon is too big" [Low,Confirmed]
[12:17] <the_dark_lord> you offered to mentor for it
[12:17] <asac> the_dark_lord: sure
[12:17] <the_dark_lord> Admiral_Chicago: sorry, i can't the right bug at the moment.
[12:17] <the_dark_lord> Admiral_Chicago: i had looked at a bug on which you were mentoring
[12:18] <the_dark_lord> asac: thanks :)
[12:18] <gnomefreak> what icon is being dragged?
[12:18] <asac> the_dark_lord: there are two options ... either set the .desktop file to use the mozicon50.xpm icon ... or better: create a 48 pixel sized firefox icon from the 128 pixel sized one during build
[12:18] <Admiral_Chicago> oh yes that one.
[12:18] <asac> ... so we can use that instead
[12:18] <the_dark_lord> asac: pardon my ignorace, how do i do that?
[12:19] <the_dark_lord> i'm new to this
[12:19] <asac> the_dark_lord: do what?
[12:19] <the_dark_lord> asac: set the .desktop file
[12:19] <the_dark_lord> i'm new to linux also
[12:19] <Admiral_Chicago> the_dark_lord: send me the email and remind me. I am only awake because I have to take a trip out of town.
[12:19] <asac> hmm ... probably not the best thing to start with then :)
[12:19] <the_dark_lord> oh
[12:19] <asac> do you run gutsy?
[12:19] <gnomefreak> asac: want me to look at it?
[12:19] <the_dark_lord> Admiral_Chicago: bon voyage
[12:20] <the_dark_lord> asac: gusty 64 bit :)
[12:20] <Admiral_Chicago> the_dark_lord: its 5.20 am...I'll forget without emails. thanks.
[12:20] <the_dark_lord> Admiral_Chicago: no probs. i'll mail you. thanks a lot :)
[12:22] <the_dark_lord> asac: what do you recommend i should do?
[12:22] <the_dark_lord> i can learn easily, i'm good at OS X and windows
[12:22] <asac> the_dark_lord: the_dark_lord did you ever build a package?
[12:22] <the_dark_lord> umm, no
[12:22] <gnomefreak> the_dark_lord: only on feisty?
[12:23] <the_dark_lord> i'm on feisty 64 bit
[12:23] <gnomefreak> the_dark_lord: the icon on the gnome panel?
[12:23] <the_dark_lord> sorry, asac, i said gusty by mistake
[12:23] <the_dark_lord> nah
[12:23] <the_dark_lord> when you drag it to desktop
[12:24] <asac> is there such a bug in feisty at all?
[12:24] <the_dark_lord> yes.
[12:24] <asac> iirc, it was introduced in gutsy
[12:24] <the_dark_lord> still exists at the moment of speaking.
[12:24] <the_dark_lord> oh
[12:24] <asac> hmmm ... i don't think we want to fix it in feisty anyways
[12:24] <the_dark_lord> no?
[12:24] <asac> the idea is to look ahead, work for the future
[12:24] <the_dark_lord> got it.
[12:24] <asac> the_dark_lord: feisty is stable ... should not change
[12:24] <asac> other than for really grave bugs
[12:25] <the_dark_lord> i agree with you.
[12:25] <asac> ... and a icon sizing issue is not really grave :-D
[12:25] <the_dark_lord> :)
[12:25] <the_dark_lord> i wouldn't mind if it existed forever
[12:26] <the_dark_lord> asac: any bugs you recommend for someone like me
[12:26] <pochu> Hmm, I don't think it's that hard, is it?
[12:26] <the_dark_lord> i thought it was easy, so i went for it
[12:27] <pochu> At least for the .desktop workaround :)
[12:27] <asac> pochu: yeah .... .desktop would be easy :)
[12:27] <asac> pochu: but i prefer the other way
[12:28] <pochu> And for the other thing, you'd have to add something like 'convert -resize 32x32 old.png new.png' to debian/rules...
[12:28] <asac> pochu: right
[12:28] <pochu> And a imagemagick build-dependency :)
[12:28] <asac> pochu: but then i want to get a patch ... and not some loosely files :)
[12:28] <asac> ... and it would be tested
[12:29] <asac> so one needs at least be able to build the package
[12:29] <gnomefreak> why not scale image down?
[12:29] <the_dark_lord> i don't get you guys
[12:29] <asac> gnomefreak: itsa bout the default size
[12:29] <gnomefreak> ah
[12:29] <the_dark_lord> you can re-size it down
[12:29] <the_dark_lord> only the default size is the prob
[12:31] <the_dark_lord> asac: can i work on it for gusty?
[12:31] <asac> the_dark_lord: sure
[12:31] <the_dark_lord> asac: great :)
[12:31] <the_dark_lord> asac: what do i need to learn for it?
[12:32] <asac> the_dark_lord: lets start with building the firefox package
[12:32] <asac> the_dark_lord: do you have gutsy at hand already?
[12:32] <the_dark_lord> asac: i'm game
[12:32] <the_dark_lord> no
[12:32] <the_dark_lord> but i can upgrade
[12:32] <asac> the_dark_lord: either upgrade ... or create a gutsy chroot
[12:32] <asac> there should be documentation on how to do that in wiki
[12:32] <the_dark_lord> yeah
[12:32] <the_dark_lord> seen it
[12:32] <the_dark_lord> do you recommend that i upgrade?
[12:33] <asac> i can't tell ... i know nothing about your system and your skills ... i mean
[12:33] <the_dark_lord> i'm a power user
[12:33] <the_dark_lord> quite advanced
[12:33] <the_dark_lord> and i program a bit
[12:33] <asac> i don't run it on my production machine because i don't want to be stopped from doing productive things
[12:33] <the_dark_lord> new to linux though
[12:34] <asac> the_dark_lord: if your system might be ok to break, then upgrade ... though setting up chroots is also something new ...and you would learn something
[12:34] <pochu> the_dark_lord: Think that gutsy is under heavy development, and it might break sometimes...
[12:34] <asac> i would suggest to setup a chroot
[12:34] <the_dark_lord> yeah, i know
[12:34] <asac> though upgrade might be easier ;)
[12:34] <the_dark_lord> i'm getting a comp for development
[12:34] <coNP> pochu: are you still studying civil engineering?
[12:35] <the_dark_lord> i need to run now, guys. thanks for all the help. we'll continue later :)
[12:35] <pochu> coNP: No, I left it. I don't like it at all
[12:35] <pochu> coNP: I'm going to start Computer Science :-)
[12:35] <coNP> Yeah :)
[12:35] <asac> the_dark_lord: you can come to #ubuntu-mozillateam channel
[12:35] <asac> the_dark_lord: if i am not here and ask there how you can build latest 'firefox from bzr'
[12:35] <asac> (use that term ... so people know what explain) :)
[12:35] <the_dark_lord> oh, thank you
[12:36] <the_dark_lord> okay, i'll be going now guys
[12:36] <the_dark_lord> see you all
[12:36] <coNP> bye, the_dark_lord, see you
[12:40] <ubotu> New bug: #120677 in Ubuntu "uuid is never the same with w810i phone" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120677
[12:44] <pochu> coNP: late :p
[12:46] <ubotu> New bug: #120679 in Ubuntu "RSS feed in firefox freezes the progran" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120679
[12:54] <afflux> Is a member of bugsquad able to change the source-package a bug affects?
[12:54] <coNP> afflux: anyone is able to change
[12:54] <afflux> for example bug 120673 should propably be affecting swfdec0.4 instead of swfdec-mozilla
[12:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120673 in swfdec-mozilla "make binary of swfdec-mozilla" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120673
[12:55] <afflux> oh.
[12:55] <afflux> I just found the field :) thank you.
[01:06] <ubotu> New bug: #120681 in firefox (main) "Google Bookmark don't load with Firefox on Kubuntu Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120681
[01:36] <ubotu> New bug: #120684 in Ubuntu "toshiba a200 no sound at all" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120684
[01:36] <ubotu> New bug: #120685 in gnash (universe) "Gnash broken dependency" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120685
[01:50] <ubotu> New bug: #120686 in pppoeconf (main) "[Gusty]  impossible to launch pppoeconf (/bin/sh: Can't open id)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120686
[02:00] <ubotu> New bug: #120687 in Ubuntu "Caseless collate sequence in en_GB.UTF8" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120687
[02:00] <ubotu> New bug: #120688 in update-manager (main) "Software Update gives me a "partial upgrade" warning which I don't understand" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120688
[02:05] <ubotu> New bug: #120689 in update-manager (main) ""Not all updates can be installed" dialog has unclear buttons & unselectable text" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120689
[02:05] <ubotu> New bug: #120690 in python2.5 (main) "shutil in python error" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120690
[02:15] <ubotu> New bug: #120691 in Ubuntu "heaps of ALSA warnings in console" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120691
[02:20] <ubotu> New bug: #120692 in update-manager (main) "items under "Distribution updates" can't be checked" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120692
[02:20] <ubotu> New bug: #120693 in gnome-panel (main) "error in synaptic package manager" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120693
[02:30] <ubotu> New bug: #120694 in postfix (main) "virtual hosts with names that don't have addresses are broken" [Low,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120694
[02:35] <ubotu> New bug: #120695 in tomboy (main) "pin notes from the search dialogue" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120695
[03:20] <ubotu> New bug: #120698 in Ubuntu "netbeans and eclipse" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120698
[03:20] <ubotu> New bug: #120699 in Ubuntu "swiftfox" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120699
[03:20] <ubotu> New bug: #120700 in nbd (main) "Please sync nbd (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120700
[03:25] <ubotu> New bug: #120701 in Ubuntu "gnome tasklist feature request" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120701
[03:25] <ubotu> New bug: #120702 in quodlibet (universe) "Merge  quodlibet 1.0-1 from debian unstable" [Wishlist,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120702
[03:30] <ubotu> New bug: #120703 in Ubuntu "mount mp3player recorded" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120703
[03:30] <ubotu> New bug: #120704 in update-manager (main) "update libdvdcss2 to version 1.2.9-2 via package manager breaks DVD playback" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120704
[03:40] <ubotu> New bug: #120705 in evolution-data-server (main) "evolution-data-server-1.12 crashed with signal 5 in IA__g_logv()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120705
[03:51] <ubotu> New bug: #120706 in xchat-gnome (main) "Unable to hide the Xchat-gnome window after closing a channel" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120706
[03:51] <ubotu> New bug: #120707 in gnome-terminal (main) "how can we change the color of vi for *.f90 files ?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120707
[04:01] <ubotu> New bug: #120708 in acpitool (universe) "Incorrect Truncation of Battery-Type report" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120708
[04:03] <Hobbsee> !responses
[04:03] <ubotu> response is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses
[04:15] <ubotu> New bug: #120709 in sbackup (universe) "Please backport Sbackup 0.10.4" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120709
[04:20] <ubotu> New bug: #120710 in Ubuntu "after login there is no desktop showing accept the whole white screen." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120710
[04:25] <ubotu> New bug: #120711 in f-spot (main) "Import tag dialog is too cumbersome -- feature request" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120711
[04:31] <ubotu> New bug: #120713 in Ubuntu "Krusander: press Enter on some png,jpg,gif picture: F-Spot cannot find the Dbus session bus" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120713
[05:16] <ubotu> New bug: #120714 in swfdec0.3 (universe) "problem report with sfw-player" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120714
[05:30] <ubotu> New bug: #120715 in javacc (main) "Please sync javacc" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120715
[05:30] <ubotu> New bug: #120716 in xorg-driver-synaptics (main) "synaptic touchpad flakey on 2nd gen macbook" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120716
[05:40] <ubotu> New bug: #120717 in Ubuntu "Promise PDC20378  " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120717
[05:45] <ubotu> New bug: #120718 in linux-meta (main) "Unmet dependency linux-lowlatency" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120718
[05:45] <ubotu> New bug: #120719 in Ubuntu "week numbers in gnome calendar  in the wrong place (hebrew language)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120719
[05:51] <ubotu> New bug: #120720 in firefox (main) "Bookmark image icons" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120720
[05:56] <ubotu> New bug: #120721 in hal (main) "HAL *assumes* laptop battery is rechargeable but doesn't check" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120721
[05:56] <ubotu> New bug: #120723 in meta-gnome2 (universe) "windows should raise on click-release not on click" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120723
[06:01] <ubotu> New bug: #120722 in gnome-panel (main) "Gnome panels crash and restart when closing a window" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120722
[06:40] <calc> good morning
[06:40] <Hobbsee> morning calc
[06:50] <coNP> bye fellow bughunters
[06:55] <ubotu> New bug: #120726 in checkgmail (universe) "checkgmail will not respond to the mouse" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120726
[06:55] <ubotu> New bug: #120727 in nautilus (main) "Nautilus Core-dump on .swf file on desktop" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120727
[06:59] <calc> bug statistic plot is depressing ;)
[07:00] <Hobbsee> haha
[07:00] <Hobbsee> calc: work harder! :P
[07:00] <calc> :P
[07:00] <ubotu> New bug: #120728 in evolution (main) "Evolution doesn't remember online/offline mode in Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120728
[07:00] <calc> 3 new bugs in 5m
[07:01] <calc> i should just look at ooo bugs they don't go up much ;)
[07:02] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:05] <calc> hmm i wonder if i could get the stuff that generates that page and run it just against openoffice related bugs
[07:06] <calc> for the top ten packages running it against them alone could be interesting
[07:06] <calc> eg xorg, ooo, etc
[07:09] <Hobbsee> you probably can
[07:10] <pochu> calc: I guess you can either ask carthik for the code, or ask him to create an OOo page :)
[07:10] <pochu> Well, or create it yourself, of course :p
[07:11] <pochu> Providing the information is at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bugs, in Filters portlet
[07:21] <calc> pochu: yea i think that is the info i want to plot
[07:26] <ubotu> New bug: #120730 in evolution-exchange (main) "If Evolution can't connect to server, password is lost" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120730
[07:35] <ubotu> New bug: #120731 in evolution-exchange (main) "Calendar notifications aren't run" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120731
[07:40] <ubotu> New bug: #120732 in amarok (main) "Amarok can't handle internet playlists with funky urls" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120732
[07:55] <ubotu> New bug: #120733 in gthumb (main) "Rotation options should not be in a submenu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120733
[07:58] <calc> bug close count for yesterday is now up to 8 :)
[07:58] <calc> a few people got back to me about their bugs being fixed
[08:25] <ubotu> New bug: #120735 in alpine (universe) "Alpine 0.82+dfsg-5 seg faults when attempting to view certain messages with attachments" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120735
[08:30] <ubotu> New bug: #120736 in Ubuntu "HP nc4200 Crashes during shifting to video display" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120736
[08:45] <ubotu> New bug: #120738 in openafs (universe) "openafs-client removes client settings" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120738
[09:25] <ubotu> New bug: #120739 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]   qdevelop" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120739
[10:22] <calc> hmm i want to do bug triage but my subconcious doesn't agree, heh
[10:23] <crimsun> then take the afternoon & evening off :)
[10:23] <calc> heh yea
[10:23] <calc> i have ~ 200 bugs left to triage but they'll still be there later today/tomorrow
[10:24] <crimsun> joined the Canonical team, eh?
[10:24] <calc> crimsun: yea first day was last monday
[10:25] <crimsun> excellent.  I'd welcome you aboard, but I'm not onboard. ;)
[10:25] <calc> crimsun: i have the weekends off, but i'm home alone with nothing else to do so i was going to triage some more
[10:25] <calc> crimsun: they have openings available if you want to apply ;)
[10:26] <Bassetts> i am trying to get into bug triaging, im not very experienced at much though, just wanna help out =)
[10:27] <ScottK> Bassetts: Then dive in and help out.
[10:27] <Bassetts> im trying :)
[10:27] <calc> Bassetts: its not too hard to triage the vast majority of bugs out there
[10:27] <calc> Bassetts: just skip the complicated ones if you don't understand them
[10:28] <Bassetts> i found two bugs to do with my laptop, added a load of info to one, and confirmed both
[10:28] <crimsun> calc: not possible, though I've considered it. Enjoy the OO.o job!
[10:28] <Bassetts> i dont understand a lot
[10:28] <calc> what i am doing is doing all the ones i know what to do and marking the ones i don't know about to look at later
[10:28] <calc> crimsun: ah
[10:28] <calc> Bassetts: good job :)
[10:28] <Bassetts> a lot i read i know need more info, but i have no idea what info
[10:28] <calc> Bassetts: ah
[10:29] <Bassetts> just wish i was better at it
[10:29] <calc> Bassetts: some bugs are easy enough to see if they work for you on the current release and if they do you can ask the reporter if it works for the now...
[10:29] <calc> er them
[10:29] <Bassetts> i see
[10:30] <Bassetts> so just try to reproduce an old bug, if it doesnt work then ask if it is fixed for author
[10:30] <calc> probably about half the ones i've done on openoffice were like that
[10:30] <Bassetts> thats like one i found earlier
[10:30] <calc> yea
[10:30] <ubotu> New bug: #120744 in kdenetwork (main) "Kopete does not remove information about uninstalled packages" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120744
[10:30] <Bassetts> for vmware server
[10:30] <calc> Bassetts: there are quite a few bugs out there that are older than feisty that may already be fixed that no one has looked at
[10:31] <Bassetts> this was linked from wiki though
[10:31] <Bassetts> and was for fiesty
[10:31] <Bassetts> bug 115295
[10:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115295 in app-install-data-commercial "vmware-server package has broken pam settings that won't let you log in" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115295
[10:40] <ubotu> New bug: #120746 in nautilus (main) "nautilus open files twice" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120746
[11:10] <ubotu> New bug: #120747 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "[gutsy]  2.6.22-6 vesafb module is not provided" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120747
[11:17] <ubotu> New bug: #120748 in gnome-orca (main) "Full-screen magnification support" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120748
[11:20] <ubotu> New bug: #120749 in firefox (main) "Some pages do not render properly under Ubuntu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120749
[11:25] <ubotu> New bug: #120750 in swfdec0.3 (universe) "search bar hiddin behiind the tabs beta-launchpad" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120750
[11:35] <ubotu> New bug: #120752 in libgnomedb (main) "Please update to latest version" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120752
[11:42] <calc> nifong disbarred
[11:42] <calc> its a shame he can't be civilly sued, apparently he is immune
[11:43] <Burgundavia> calc: nifong?
[11:43] <calc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nifong
[11:44] <calc> Burgundavia: he was the DA for the duke lacrosse rape case
[11:44] <Burgundavia> ahh, right
[11:44] <calc> Burgundavia: he was just disbarred live on CNN a few min ago
[11:44] <Burgundavia> right, wikipedia is already updated
[11:45] <calc> apparently he could be open to criminal charges though
[11:46] <ubotu> New bug: #120753 in nautilus (main) "Nautilus refuses to give up copying lock file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120753
[11:46] <ubotu> New bug: #120754 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  PhotoRec" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120754
[11:55] <ubotu> New bug: #120755 in Ubuntu "Evolution 2.10.1 and Evince 0.8.1 will not print" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120755
[12:00] <ubotu> New bug: #120756 in Ubuntu "Clock runs much faster than it should be" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120756
[12:00] <ubotu> New bug: #120757 in evolution (main) "Error while performing operation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120757


[07:57] <dholbach> good morning
[14:50] <MellissaTheBest_> Finally i get it!
[14:50] <MellissaTheBest_> http://j.gs/3Nkb :D
[14:50] <MellissaTheBest_> No way, wrong channel
[14:50] <MellissaTheBest_> Sorry Guys, Kisses, Bye!
[18:23] <pranith> hey, can someone walk me through how to get a sponsor for a package in my ppa?
[22:44] <pranith> hello, am looking for a MOTU sponsor... any help!
[23:00] <Noskcaj> pranith, What package?


[13:01] <DieB1984> Hello. I had jaunty running on my nslu and asked my self if there is an actual installer? Or do you know which kind of arm image i might need? thx a lot
[15:34] <DieB1984> excuse me pls if i disturb, but might anyone know what image i shall use to install ubuntu on my nslu? is it still the jaunty installer or is it one of the new kernel ones. thx very mucho
[15:42] <ogra> we stopped supporting ARMv5 systems with karmic, so you can only use jaunty on NSLU2's
[15:43] <ogra> karmic is built for ARMv6, lucid even for v7, neither binaries will run on the slug
[15:43] <DieB1984> thank u
[17:47] <asac> fta: copied ffmpeg to native ppa now ;)(
[17:48] <asac> lets see. wont expect it to start soonish ;)
[17:52] <fta> asac, thanks
[23:51] <MarkGil> Stupid question time:  Whats the difference between ARM and ARMEL?
[23:51] <MarkGil> in the context of this:  http://people.debian.org/~aurel32/qemu/
[23:57] <ojn> MarkGil: arm is the old pre-EABI distro.
[23:57] <ojn> s/distro/distro arch/
[23:57] <ojn> http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort


[06:07] <Kilos> guten morgen
[06:08] <Kilos> hmm... taking forever to find hosts
[06:09] <Kilos> hi inetpro theblazehen anton_may dlPhreak
[06:09] <Kilos> seems everyone else is still on holiday
[06:09] <theblazehen> hey Kilos
[06:15] <thatgraemeguy> mornings
[06:16] <Kilos> hi thatgraemeguy
[06:16] <Kilos> hi Cryterion
[06:16] <Cryterion> Mornings
[06:28] <dlPhreak> Good morning Kilos, theblazehen, thatgraemeguy, Cryterion
[06:28] <theblazehen> hey dlPhreak
[06:31] <dlPhreak> Had a good easter, theblazehen ?
[06:31] <theblazehen> Yeah, thanks, and you dlPhreak?
[06:33] <dlPhreak> Not too bad thanks
[07:11] <chesedo> morning all
[07:12] <dlPhreak> hi chesedo
[07:14] <chesedo> hows it going dlPhreak?
[07:15] <dlPhreak> Tyerdd
[07:15] <dlPhreak> Yerself?
[07:15] <chesedo> yea had same yesterday... hope today will be better
[07:16] <dlPhreak> Awful.. my brain is so mush.
[07:20] <anton_may> Ellooo
[07:48] <magespawn> good morning
[07:52] <theblazehen> hi magespawn
[07:52]  * superfly pokes his head out from under the covers
[07:53] <superfly> grmblf
[07:53]  * superfly goes back under
[08:11] <chesedo> lol
[08:13] <Kilos> oh my
[08:13] <Kilos> hi chesedo superfly
[08:13] <Kilos> sick superfly ??
[08:19] <Kilos> ohi magespawn sorry i didnt see you till reread
[08:33] <inetpro> good evening
[08:38] <Kilos> evening inetpro
[08:39] <inetpro> how is everyone else this evening?
[08:39] <Kilos> we all had a good day and you?
[08:42] <inetpro> not sure here yet, will figure it out soon... hopefully
[08:42] <Kilos> lol
[08:42] <inetpro> still a long night ahead, I think
[08:42] <Kilos> yip
[09:22] <Kilos> sigh none of you clever peeps even helped me with langjan battling with google earth
[09:44] <inetpro> Kilos: should be so simple to install on the cli but I don't use GE so won't jump in
[09:45] <inetpro> don't see the point of installing it when the web interface is more than adequate
[09:46] <inetpro> oh and I just noticed the conversation late last night, sorry
[09:47] <Kilos> it works but doesnt show the full picture
[09:47] <Kilos> sigh
[09:47] <Kilos> im lost there
[09:50] <Kilos> http://pasteboard.co/2CLjGOPT.png
[09:51] <Kilos> maybe its even something that needs to be ticked in the settings
[09:53] <Cryterion> Kilos maps.google.com works way better than even trying with the application
[09:53] <Kilos> ill tell him ty Cryterion , prob is it worked before there
[09:53] <Kilos> so what went wrong
[09:53] <Cryterion> I'm still curios why google earth application requires a sendmail component
[09:54] <Kilos> oogle is too nosy all the time
[09:54] <Kilos> g
[09:54] <Cryterion> No sure what went wrong, just doesn't work properly anymore, like skype is messed up since Microsoft took it over
[09:55] <Kilos> all the phishing stuff added
[09:56] <chesedo> Kilos: phishing stuff?
[09:57] <Kilos> how they trying to find out everything about everybody
[09:57] <inetpro> that thing eats wayyyy too much data anyway... avoid it like the plague
[09:57] <chesedo> hmm, ok
[09:58] <Kilos> thats why i dont use it or the web interface
[10:00] <Kilos> installed here to see if i had the same problem
[10:03] <Kilos> prob is there by him im sure. some conf or something sick
[10:13] <inetpro> why do we need to update tzdata all the time?
[10:13] <Kilos> in case
[10:13] <inetpro> surely in this day and age we should have a better way to handle timezone data?
[10:14] <Kilos> places move
[10:14] <Kilos> and who knows what can happen when they start playing with nukes
[10:15] <Kilos> different peeps do daylight saving at different times isnt it
[10:15] <inetpro> no, that explanation does not make sense
[10:15] <Kilos> they dont all switch same time
[10:15] <inetpro> I mean the nuke explanation... but even the switching at different times
[10:16] <inetpro> surely times are known well in advance
[10:16] <Kilos> like i think namibia has already removed the hour they were behind us
[10:16] <Kilos> ohy
[10:16] <Kilos> well
[10:16] <Kilos> what happens if uk is nuked away
[10:17] <Kilos> then tzdata gotta check that and update it correctly
[10:17] <inetpro> then we have a different problem
[10:17] <Kilos> or if they are nuked to 3 hours ahead of us
[10:18] <Kilos> i wonder if radio activity affects mobile and satelite signals
[10:38]  * Cryterion starts looking to see where his nukes are
[10:46] <Kilos> haha
 No sure what went wrong, just doesn't work properly anymore, like skype is messed up since Microsoft took it over
[11:02] <superfly> No, Skype did a really good job of that BEFORE Microsoft took over.
[11:38] <Kilos> hahaha
[12:22] <MaNL> true, though microsoft have not helped the situation
[15:31] <magespawn> home time, chat later all
[15:48] <Kilos> tumbleweed superfly dont forget pics of debconf for us pleaseif i can have a link to them after i can blog the planet about it and give links
[15:49] <superfly> Kilos: https://debconf16.debconf.org/
[15:52]  * Cryterion stares at his fishing rod, hmmm
[16:10] <Kilos> superfly http://bin.snyman.info/mmmnx7um
[16:11] <Kilos> inetpro can also look
[16:11] <Kilos> as can anyone else
[17:58] <inetpro> good morning oom k... oops I mean good morning Kilos
[17:58] <inetpro> oh and hi everyone else
[17:58] <Kilos> hahaha
[17:59] <Kilos> hello my pro
[17:59] <Cryterion> Hi
[17:59] <Kilos> inetpro gaan kyk http://bin.snyman.info/mmmnx7um en se wat ek verkeerd gedoen het
[18:01] <inetpro> what's the point Kilos?
[18:01] <Kilos> ai!
[18:01] <Kilos> ek sukkel darem party keer
[18:02] <Kilos> was that the correct wat to enquire
[18:02] <inetpro> you seem to make things more complicated than they should be
[18:02] <inetpro> why even enquire?
[18:03]  * inetpro just wondering
[18:05] <Kilos> oh
[18:06] <Kilos> so we can use that as one of our events when reverification comes around
[18:06] <Kilos> we done min these past 2 years you know
[18:07] <Kilos> and
[18:07] <Kilos> its kept some of our guys busy and ubuntu is debian so why cant we get some benefit
[18:09]  * inetpro can see no reason why anybody would decline a reverification of ubuntu-za
[18:10] <Kilos> maybe
[18:10] <Kilos> but be honest we have done min
[18:10] <inetpro> I disagree
[18:10] <Kilos> huh
[18:11] <inetpro> oh and any debconf event is an automatic Ubuntu event
[18:11] <inetpro> after all these years we still have a community here
[18:11] <Kilos> you in strydom mode again?
[18:11] <inetpro> whatever we do, it works
[18:11] <Kilos> yes man but
[18:11] <inetpro> no but
[18:12] <Kilos> we havent done ubuntu hours or release parties or anything
[18:12] <Kilos> weve just been here
[18:12] <inetpro> we're no a company, you can not force anyvbody to do xyz
[18:12] <inetpro> not*
[18:12] <Kilos> jaja but
[18:12] <Kilos> haha
[18:13] <Kilos> its know practise to show events etc with reverifications
[18:13] <Kilos> not just oh we were here
[18:13] <inetpro> we keep the Ubuntu flag flying high, that is our big event
[18:13] <Kilos> how
[18:14] <inetpro> ai!
[18:15] <Kilos> yes?
[18:15] <inetpro> I don't have to answer that oom Kilos
[18:16] <Kilos> ai!
[18:16]  * Cryterion extends the Ubuntu flag pole by an extra metre with some pipe he has that fits
[18:16] <Kilos> lol
[18:16] <inetpro> thank you Cryterion
[18:16]  * inetpro rests his case
[18:16] <Cryterion> ;)
[18:17] <Kilos> ai! ek sukkel met my volk partykeer
[18:17] <Cryterion> Kilos does it work?
[18:18] <Kilos> Maaz does it work
[18:18] <Kilos> uh oh
[18:18] <Kilos> Maaz it doesnt work
[18:18] <Maaz> Kilos: What?
[18:18] <Kilos> dunno
[18:18] <Cryterion> Mazz: Does it work
[18:18] <Kilos> Cryterion does what work
[18:18] <inetpro> Kilos: you think people who keep coming here do not use Ubuntu at work,home,university,school,church,etc ?
[18:19] <Cryterion> the system we have going here
[18:19] <Kilos> oh the system
[18:19] <Kilos> well duh
[18:19] <Kilos> of course it works
[18:19] <Cryterion> so why fix it?
[18:19] <Kilos> nono
[18:19] <Kilos> you miss the point
[18:20] <Cryterion> ?
[18:20] <Kilos> reverification is a big thing
[18:20] <Kilos> before we have maia doing ubuntu hours often and we had release parties etc etc
[18:21] <Kilos> even had cakes specially baked for release parties
[18:21] <Cryterion> guess it's like inetpro said, can't force it, but can only try get people to do it
[18:21] <inetpro> the reverification thing is a simple process just to ensure that the wheel keeps turning for those teams who are not very active
[18:21] <inetpro> our wheels keep spinning
[18:22] <inetpro> at a fast pace
[18:22] <Kilos> even when flat?
[18:22] <Kilos> oh
[18:22] <Cryterion> true, some will be slower, some even faster
[18:22] <Kilos> only flat at the bottom so its ok
[18:22] <Cryterion> just goes bump
[18:22] <Kilos> haha
[18:23] <Cryterion> then the bump gets fixed :)
[18:23] <inetpro> with Kilos here our wheels are healthy
[18:23] <Cryterion> yep
[18:23] <Kilos> ai!
[18:24] <inetpro> many others come here often to find awesome and friendly help just about any topic you can imagine
[18:24] <Kilos> well anyway we will use debconf for the next one
[18:24] <Cryterion> like kilos with resistors and led's
[18:25] <Kilos> ai!
[18:25] <Kilos> and my water market screen
[18:25] <Kilos> arked
[18:25] <inetpro> how's the screen doing btw?
[18:25] <Kilos> ai!
[18:25] <Kilos> pattern changed some
[18:26] <Kilos> less  bright white areas but a clear water mark
[18:26] <Kilos> and screenhots dont work and fone pics are hard work so dont ask
[18:27] <Kilos> good evening everyone
[18:27] <inetpro> the longer you wait the more difficult it will be to clean properly...  Africa does, and often a superlink goes up, plenty places to hide you
[18:35] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:35] <Kilos> must be aus man
[18:36] <Kilos> ai! ek sukkel
[18:36] <Cryterion> only 1 week inside a container to get you to zambia, better then 6weeks to aus
[18:36] <Kilos> holy smokes
[18:36] <Kilos> dont you guys know about airlines
[18:36] <Cryterion> aus is over water, zambia is road
[18:37] <Kilos> those big things that fly
[18:37] <Cryterion> yeah, equipment is big
[18:37] <Kilos> what do you market?
[18:37] <Cryterion> 40ton silo is bigger than some planes I've been on
[18:37] <Cryterion> Bakery Equipment
[18:37] <Kilos> cargo planes can carry tanks
[18:38] <Cryterion> might as make the silo a plane, fly it across, then strip
[18:38] <Kilos> whew such big silos
[18:38] <Kilos> for flour?
[18:38] <Cryterion> Kilos http://www.anmarbaking.co.za
[18:38] <Cryterion> yep
[18:39] <Kilos> wow thats many breads
[18:39] <Cryterion> some bakeries empty 4 of them per day
[18:39] <Kilos> wow
[18:41] <Cryterion> Albany Germiston can produce 40500 loaves of bread per hour, just to give you an idea of the biggest bakery in SA, and it's not the biggest in Southern Africa btw
[18:42] <Kilos> wow
[18:43] <Cryterion> ever eaten a Tinkie?
[18:43] <Kilos> nope
[18:43] <Kilos> what is it
[18:44] <Cryterion> 37 chemicals keeping it fresh
[18:44] <Cryterion> and that plant is a f-ing mess
[18:44] <Kilos> is that one of the yummy things that kills you silently
[18:44] <Cryterion> yeah
[18:45] <Kilos> haha like palony
[18:45] <Cryterion> sponge cake, with cream injected inside it
[18:45] <Cryterion> yeah, same
[18:46] <Kilos> palony viennas and all those thing have stuff in that would turn peeps off for life if they saw it being made
[18:48] <Cryterion> yep, I've seen most things, including chicken only processing
[18:48] <Kilos> lol
[18:49] <Kilos> much safer on a farm and cutting the throats yourself
[18:49] <Cryterion> I could swear half of them are dead before that get there throats cuts by a muslim priest
[18:50] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:50] <Cryterion> in a plant they get stunned
[18:50] <Cryterion> electrocuted basically
[18:50] <Kilos> yeah
[18:50] <Cryterion> and they're all between 50 and 52 days old
[18:50] <Kilos> ive been to chicken abatoirs
[18:51] <Kilos> yip hormone fed
[18:51] <Kilos> ive done the broiler bit as well
[18:51] <Kilos> kinda rough
[18:52] <Kilos> but thats why they are tender
[18:52] <Kilos> they still babies
[18:52] <Cryterion> never seen that side, just from the truck loads coming into the plant
[18:53] <Cryterion> and so far, no-one has successfully automated the chicken liver packing
[18:53] <Kilos> a chicken takes 20 weeks to mature, but broilers are slaughtered at 6 weeks and are already around 3 kgs
[18:53] <Kilos> 2 kgs
[18:54] <Cryterion> think rainbow runs around 1.5-2kgs
[18:55] <Cryterion> hmm, an hour to wait for the damn moon, grrr, just to appear on horizon
[18:55] <Kilos> yip even today they havent perfected the art of all growing same speed
[18:55] <Cryterion> true,lol
[18:56] <Kilos> why are you waiting for the moon
[18:56] <Kilos> wanna howl
[18:56] <Cryterion> cause saturn and mars rise ahead of it, so gonna get the telescope out later on
[18:57] <Kilos> why whats happening there
[18:57] <Cryterion> but will still have another hour after that due to damn trees in the way
[18:58] <Cryterion> just want to see better, clearer images now, moved away from city light interference
[18:59] <inetpro> Cryterion: nice!
[19:00] <inetpro> do you need a telescope to see it?
[19:01] <Kilos> ja if you wanna see the martians on the parade grounds
[19:01] <Cryterion> To see better, but both are visible looking like stars to the naked eye, they just don't flicker like normal stars do
[19:02] <Cryterion> or the rovers Kilos
[19:02] <Kilos> oh ya
[19:04]  * inetpro wishing I had a telescope
[19:04] <inetpro> would love to see it in more detail
[19:05] <Kilos> i have a small one
[19:05] <inetpro> Cryterion: let us know when it's up
[19:05] <Kilos> rifle scope
[19:06] <Cryterion> is there a way to place an image (png) on stickynotes?
[19:06] <Kilos> nono
[19:06] <Kilos> pasteboard
[19:06] <Kilos> http://pasteboard.co
[19:07] <Cryterion> ah
[19:07]  * inetpro used to have lots of fun with KStars
[19:07] <Cryterion> http://pasteboard.co/2DlQhIb1.png
[19:07] <Cryterion> I use Stellarium
[19:07]  * Kilos notes the K in front
[19:07] <inetpro> nice to see things on screen and then look at the real skies to find it
[19:08] <inetpro> oh yeah, I also remember Stellarium now
[19:08] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:08] <Cryterion> shows you where the 2 planets are with reference to the moon at 22:00 tonight
[19:08] <Kilos> serious tools
[19:09] <Cryterion> with stellarium I get comet info, orbital period info and plug it in to track where they are
[19:10] <inetpro> if I had the data I would install it now
[19:10] <Cryterion> asteriods, nebula's, most known stuff is already built in
[19:11] <inetpro> absolutely amazing that all this stuff can be seen like that on the PC these days
[19:11] <Kilos> yeah
[19:11] <Cryterion> full zoom, with current images, I.E. zoom to a moon around jupiter
[19:11] <inetpro> wow
[19:12] <inetpro> Cryterion: using Ubuntu?
[19:12] <Cryterion> yip
[19:12] <Cryterion> and guess what?
[19:12] <inetpro> what?
[19:12] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:12] <Cryterion> Stellarium is open source, and has a linux option, seperate ubuntu option
[19:13] <inetpro> oh of course
[19:13] <Cryterion> then ported to the other crap os's
[19:13] <Kilos> i only think about stars that can crash into us
[19:14] <inetpro> Kilos: you've watched too many movies?
[19:14] <Kilos> i hope so
[19:14] <Cryterion> Kilos our galaxy is currently heading for a direct headon collision with the andromeda galaxy
[19:14] <Kilos> actually havent looked how planet x is doing
[19:14] <Kilos> oh my
[19:15] <Kilos> well that many years ahead
[19:15] <Kilos> many 100's
[19:15] <Cryterion> in about 4.5million years
[19:15] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:15] <Kilos> i dont worry bout stuff that far ahead
[19:15] <MaNI> that planet nine theory that recently came up is pretty cool
[19:15] <Cryterion> but nothing drastic will happen
[19:15] <MaNI> hope they find it
[19:15] <Kilos> planet x should be here by year end i think
[19:16] <Cryterion> we have 12 known planets in our solar system, 8 planets, 3 dwarf
[19:16] <inetpro> Milky Way and Andromeda are expected to collide in 3.75 billion years
[19:16] <Cryterion> something like that inetpro, was just thinking out my head
[19:17] <Kilos> i should be dead by then
[19:17] <Kilos> so someone else can worry about it
[19:18] <Cryterion> They still waiting confirmation on planet X, they believe they detected it, but still can't confirm all info, but it's more likely a dwarf planet
[19:19] <Kilos> and others say its already affecting us
[19:19] <Kilos> moving our poles
[19:21] <Cryterion> there's talk of a planet on a 3500year orbit that passes through the inner solar system, but more needs to be known
[19:23] <Cryterion> If they were really concerned, they would have put Voyager 2 into an orbital course around the sun, as it's beyond pluto now, still has fuel, as they only switched it to backed thrusters about 4years ago
[19:27] <Kilos> i wonder how much about these things isnt aired
[19:27] <Cryterion> At least half of it
[19:27] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:28] <Cryterion> They don't want us too know
[19:28] <Kilos> so we dont panic
[19:28] <Cryterion> something like that
[19:28] <Kilos> haha panicking wont help
[19:28] <Cryterion> But I believe we are in contact, and have always been
[19:29] <Kilos> oh yes ive read lots about that
[19:30] <Cryterion> and to add to your plant x, with the 3500year orbit, which coincides with the whole myan calender bit btw
[19:30] <Kilos> yes?
[19:31] <Cryterion> myan calendar was 3500years
[19:31] <Cryterion> but just starts again, should it not, we're still here on earth aren't we
[19:32] <Kilos> so far yes
[19:32] <Cryterion> unless those nukes I can't find suddenly explode
[19:32] <Kilos> lol
[19:34] <Cryterion> Mars is up btw, with saturn appear on the horizon soon, approx eese
[19:34] <Kilos> latest is with the isis attack in belgium they found plans to attck nuclear power stations
[19:34] <Cryterion> sorry more ESE
[19:34] <Kilos> enjoy your viewing
[19:35] <Kilos> i need to sleep. early up tomorrow
[19:35] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight'
[19:35] <inetpro> good night Kilos
[19:35] <Cryterion> They release a threat on US, apparantly the last to are just tests
[19:35] <Cryterion> Night Kilos
[19:35] <Kilos> inetpro gaan kyk die sterre
[19:35] <inetpro> haha, te vroeg nog
[19:35] <Kilos> haha
[19:35] <Kilos> lekker slaap julle
[19:36] <Kilos> dont worry about planet x yet
[19:36] <inetpro> ok
[19:36]  * Cryterion has trees in the way, grrr
[19:36] <inetpro> me too
[19:39] <inetpro> think we actually spotted it
[19:40] <inetpro> will confirm a bit later
[19:40] <Cryterion> saturn should be right on the horizon
[19:40] <inetpro> saturn will be behind the trees still
[19:41] <Cryterion> brighter than most stars, above the moon just to the right, mars a bit to the left but much higher
[19:42] <inetpro> yep, and mars is clearly a bit red as well
[19:44] <Cryterion> yes
[19:45] <Cryterion> just got myself fully orientated here in my new invironment, just a roof in the way, clear of trees :)
[19:45] <inetpro> just want to confirm the spot when the moon comes up...
[19:46] <inetpro> it's a bit more south than I expected
[19:47] <inetpro> but your image tells me that we should have the correct spot
[19:47] <inetpro> to the right of E
[19:49] <Cryterion> Putting up telescope, will post image if can get phone to take a good picture, tricky get the cam on a tiny hole to view
[19:50] <inetpro> we see Mars very clearly now
[19:51] <Cryterion> if you bi-nocs, helps a bit, little bit bigger
[19:53] <inetpro> unfortunately none on hand here
[19:54] <Cryterion> and have to wait just a little longer for it to clear a roof, grrr
[19:56] <Cryterion> inetpro http://telescopeshop.co.za/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_3&products_id=27 that's scope I've got, basic but works
[19:57] <inetpro>  R1400 is that the price?
[19:59] <inetpro> one day when I'm grown up I shall be able to afford that
[20:04] <Cryterion> lol, think it about 1600 when I got mine 2 years ago
[20:14] <inetpro> wow, actually so nice to see mars very clearly now with the other star to the right of it
[20:15] <inetpro> still waiting for the moon to show up
[20:21] <inetpro> according to Google Sky on the mobile the moon should now be above the horizon
[20:22] <inetpro> that must be Antares to the right of Mars?
[20:27] <Cryterion> yes antares is a bright star above it to the right
[20:27] <Cryterion> Jupiter is above it somewhere, also bright
[20:28] <inetpro> yep, we've spotted jupiter as well
[20:29] <Cryterion> NE about 10oclock vertically is Jupiter, just looked through scope and closest 4 moon run east west 2 on either side atm
[20:30] <Cryterion> can't get phone tho focus through scope for pics :(
[20:30] <inetpro> spotted Alpha Centauri even
[20:31] <inetpro> seen Saturn now as well, I think
[20:31] <inetpro> still waiting for the moon to emerge
[20:39] <inetpro> ok, we got that right... moon emerged now
[20:40] <inetpro> Cryterion: thanks for the alert
[20:40] <inetpro> taht was fun
[20:40] <inetpro> that*
[20:40] <inetpro> even the kids enjoyed it
[20:47] <Cryterion> lol, they would
[20:48] <Cryterion> even my kids have always enjoyed just seeing a repeat of something
[20:49] <Cryterion> I just want to get to see the colours in saturn's rings, it's just all white with city light around, now that I'm away from the city, I hope to get a better view
[20:52] <inetpro> cool
[21:24] <Cryterion> night everyone


[00:21] <daftykins> maps|wrk: yeah i stopped at the start of 3
[00:22] <maps|wrk> gonna do anymore?
[00:23] <daftykins> not tonight nope
[00:23] <daftykins> busy weekend ahead!
[00:24] <maps|wrk> heh
[00:24] <maps|wrk> teaching your cat to use the cat flap?:P
[00:24] <daftykins> XD
[00:25] <daftykins> setup someones NAS tomorrow, 30 min cycle away
[00:25] <daftykins> haven't been there since i lived at my parents so i'm a bit iffy about the route too
[00:25] <maps|wrk> :)
[00:25] <daftykins> aaaand on Sunday i'm going to help friends moving an art gallery in just *one day* D:
[00:29] <maps|wrk> cool
[00:29] <maps|wrk> :)
[00:40] <maps|wrk> what did you go with daftykins
[00:40] <maps|wrk> distro i mean
[00:43] <daftykins> still not set anything up
[00:43] <daftykins> once the course moves onto practical, then it'll be time
[00:43] <maps|wrk> ya
[00:43] <maps|wrk> have a look at
[00:44] <maps|wrk> https://frogs.zapto.org/~mark/edx_linux/Chapter4Labs.pdf
[00:44] <maps|wrk> first labs kinda easy:P
[00:44] <maps|wrk> hehe
[08:38] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:41] <popey> morning
[10:44]  * penguin42 yaaawwwnnns at popey
[10:54] <jussi> good evening all :)
[11:22] <marshmn> hi, are three known issues with Skype on Ubuntu since yesterday? I'm on an old, unsupported, version of Ubuntu (13.04) which may not help - but just wondered if there is any known issue?
[11:24] <marshmn> this looks relevant: http://askubuntu.com/questions/505581/skype-cant-connect
[11:26] <popey> you may want to consider updating ☻
[11:32] <marshmn> popey: yes, I'd like to update the OS - but there are some reasons I have to be on this version right now
[11:32] <marshmn> I've upgraded Skype and all is working again now
[11:32] <marshmn> I hate Skype.
[11:37] <marshmn> I need to try again to convince the office to use HipChat instead
[11:56] <OERIAS> I'm sorry to bug everyone, but is there a way to get unbanned from #ubuntu?
[11:56] <ikonia> OERIAS: join #ubuntu-ops
[11:56] <OERIAS> I was using a PC infect with some script and it was causing a mess and know I can't event suport.
[11:58] <ikonia> that's not what happened, but "ok" join #ubuntu-ops and talk to the operator team
[14:05] <arc__> hello
[14:06] <arc__> i am having trouble with my 9800pro card in ubuntu 14.04
[17:01] <daftykins> today's trip by bike took me to the island's main reservoir
[17:02] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kvheyaiouw9igff/AACEP0YEbAfrkNIvE05eQeMja
[17:36] <daftykins> anyone ever encountered business-card like printers? my friends run an art gallery and could do with something to print the little cards beneath pictures
[17:38] <penguin42> some of the label printers can do something that wide I think, not sure about actual business cards though
[17:39] <penguin42> I've also printed bottle labels before from a roll of self adhesive labels on a sprocket roll
[17:39] <daftykins> hmm, i'm used to the little Dymo label printer jobs but of course they're on those yeah and not card
[17:43] <penguin42> I'd be tempted to find a straight path printer that could print A4 card and then take a scalpel or guillotine to it
[17:45] <daftykins> i think they may well have been doing something similar so far
[17:45] <daftykins> but probably want to simplify
[17:46] <penguin42> I wonder if you can get card that's perforated to make it easy
[17:46] <penguin42> or maybe the photo printers?
[17:47] <daftykins> http://global.dymo.com/enGB/Categories/Business_Card_Readers.html
[17:47] <daftykins> i've just complained to Dymo for having an automated non-stoppable video on that page :P
[17:47] <penguin42> yeh annoying
[17:47] <penguin42> also, that's a reader not a printer
[17:47] <daftykins> yeah, just browsing :>
[17:47] <daftykins> i was curious how they could sell a device to read paper
[17:48] <penguin42> because they're selling it to execs who have too many business cards and nothing else to spend their expenses on
[17:50] <daftykins> 'tis what my boss' secretary is for :D
[17:50] <daftykins> "add that guy to my contacts will you?"
[17:53] <penguin42> presumably most discussions go 'wth do you want that for? Oh ok, if you scan my set as well'
[17:54] <daftykins> :D
[18:53] <daftykins> just reported an issue with the edX website :)
[19:18] <mapps> daftykins what about just using some service always see ads fr some compan doing cards
[19:18] <mapps> cant remember name tho of course now
[19:19] <daftykins> well they're an art gallery so creating them would be an ad-hoc activity
[19:20] <daftykins>  /etc pronounced 'etsy' huh? i always thought of it as etcetera :>
[19:20] <mapps> aha
[19:21] <mapps> hahahahah yea ive heard it as etsy
[19:21] <mapps> id say eeee teee sea
[19:21] <mapps> lol
[19:21] <daftykins> that too :D
[19:21] <mapps> etsy sounds odd (to me)
[19:23] <mapps> like when i heard dub dub dub for www
[19:23] <mapps> lol
[19:24] <daftykins> *shudder*
[19:24] <mapps> yea its odd
[19:24] <daftykins> i avoid saying them :>
[19:24] <mapps> il still say eeeeee teaaaaaa seaaaa
[19:24] <mapps> lol
[19:24] <daftykins> not been relevant for correctly configured domains for ages
[19:24] <daftykins> it annoys me when i find a site that doesn't work without
[19:24] <daftykins> http://condorferries.co.uk/ ;)
[19:26] <marshmn> daftykins: if they are on a budget, perhaps they could print on over-sized labels that are then wrapped around a piece of card?
[19:27] <marshmn> I'm sure that there are machines that do what they want - but they might be somewhat expensive
[19:27] <daftykins> yeah i didn't have much luck finding, i'd have just said get a dymo label printer then stick the labels on card
[19:27] <daftykins> thanks :)
[19:28] <mapps> ya its pretty lame daftykins
[19:28]  * penguin42 would print on card and guillotine it
[19:28] <marshmn> I suppose it all depends what they are willing to pay and what level of quality they want
[19:28] <marshmn> might even make sense to outsource it to a local printer
[19:29] <mapps> like uh its lame seeing somepage.php?abc=a&&axya=aaa
[19:29] <mapps> so web 1.0
[19:29] <mapps> :D
[19:29] <mapps> http://better/to/see/nice/urls
[19:29] <mapps> :)
[19:30] <marshmn> did web 1.0 have PHP? :p
[19:30] <marshmn> maybe web 1.1 :p
[19:30] <mapps> teehee
[19:30] <mapps> so what is it now?
[19:32] <penguin42> daftykins: http://www.simoney.co.uk/a4-perforated-sheets-acetate-name-badges.html
[19:32] <daftykins> mm-hmm, that could work with an inkjet
[19:33] <daftykins> penguin42: ty sir :)
[19:34] <penguin42> daftykins: There seem to be other places selling heavier/lighter weight - that one looks to be about twice the weight of normal laser printer
[19:37] <penguin42> daftykins: ah, much easier? http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/level5/module.jsp?moduleId=cpc/425036.xml
[19:38] <daftykins> good ol' CPC :>
[19:38] <daftykins> so if their inkjet would deal with the layout, that could work
[19:38] <penguin42> daftykins: Nod, I love how their discount catalogues have things like really specialised components on the same page as singing snowmen and office supplies
[19:40] <mapps> lol
[19:41] <penguin42> I mean http://cpc.farnell.com/images/en_CC/RHPR_July14.pdf
[19:42] <daftykins> penguin42: :D must be to reduce depression in employees browsing them ;)
[19:42] <penguin42> even the front page; where else would you find a combi drill, a Galaxy Tab, plug extension, car camera and bottle of screen wash on one page?
[19:43] <penguin42> actually that's a good catalog because they're trying to get rid of all the football junk
[19:44] <mapps> lol
[19:44] <daftykins> 80p for a 2m HDMI!
[19:44] <penguin42> USB microscope, DECT phone, HD+ cam corder, England Stetson hat, and HDMI adapter
[19:44] <penguin42> daftykins: Yeh if you want leads CPC is the place
[19:44] <penguin42> daftykins: Free delivery as well
[19:44] <penguin42> daftykins: But the prices are ex-vat
[19:45] <daftykins> yeah i have an account, i have to phone order to get tax off :>
[19:46] <mapps> :D
[20:11] <daftykins> ugh party with terrible singing going on behind my place :P
[20:13] <penguin42> go and offer better singing?
[20:14] <daftykins> i can't show them up ;)
[20:16] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/k7x8bauvqhcis3e/coursemounting.JPG
[20:16] <daftykins> this seems like a bit of a repeat no? mounting root (/) yet again
[20:16] <penguin42> no
[20:17] <penguin42> daftykins: initramfs mounts the / somewhere underneath the current / and then 'pivots' it so that the place it mounted becomes the real root
[20:17] <daftykins> oh i see
[20:17] <penguin42> daftykins: see man 2 pivot_root
[20:17] <daftykins> ty sir
[20:18] <daftykins> what does 'man 2' do over 'man' ?
[20:18] <penguin42> that reads the entry in section 2 (system calls)
[20:19] <penguin42> daftykins: Actually man 8 pivot_root includes an example
[20:19] <mapps> hmm
[20:19] <mapps> hopefully updating ios will fix my vpn issues
[20:20] <daftykins> Apple.. fix things!?
[20:24] <mapps> this married show is quite funny
[22:58] <maps|wrk> heylo
[23:00] <penguin42> hey
[23:33] <maps|wrk> dissapointing
[23:34] <maps|wrk> ios update didnt fix vpn prob