[12:03] <MachineScrew> Mr_owen: do sudo apt-get remove ndiswrapper-utils
[12:03] <Mr_owen> done
[12:03] <MachineScrew> Mr_owen: ok do sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[12:04] <Mr_owen> done
[12:04] <MachineScrew> Mr_owen: ok good now do sudo ndisrapper -i WinXP/rt2500.inf
[12:04] <zepticon> i need to know how to get my screen res up to 1280x1024
[12:04] <Mr_owen> allready installed
[12:04] <Floker> i need to sleep
[12:05] <MachineScrew> damn
[12:05] <MachineScrew> ok new plan
[12:05] <Mr_owen> :)
[12:06] <MachineScrew> http://ftp.us.dell.com/network/R81435.EXE download this one
[12:06] <MachineScrew> Mr_owen: unzip it with "unzip -a" and use the bcmwl5.inf in directory AR
[12:07] <Mr_owen> how can i unzip a .exe file ?
[12:08] <MachineScrew> Mr_owen: unzip it with "unzip -a" and use the bcmwl5.inf in directory AR
[12:08] <MachineScrew> so yes
[12:08] <MachineScrew> its a cab file
[12:08] <MachineScrew> or somthing of that nature
[12:08] <Mr_owen> ok done unzipping
[12:08] <Mr_owen> one moment sorry
[12:09] <MachineScrew> ok now do sudo ndiswrapper -i AR/bcmwl5.inf
[12:10] <havoc> bah
[12:10] <havoc> now *I* need help :(
[12:11] <havoc> when I run xawtv the screen gets messed up when I move the mouse, and running with -nofb and/or -nodga makes no difference;  I am using the flgrx driver on the breezy preview instead of the native xorg ati driver
[12:12] <havoc> nalioth: any clues, oh mighty one?
[12:12] <epiloc> how do i kill xine?
[12:12] <MachineScrew> havoc: is v4l module loaded
[12:12] <nalioth> i dont have xawtv capability, unfortunately
[12:12] <MachineScrew> havoc: is v4l module in the xorg.conf
[12:12] <havoc> MachineScrew: according to lsmod, yes
[12:13] <havoc> nalioth: :(
[12:13] <havoc> MachineScrew: lemme check
[12:13] <MachineScrew> havoc: also check your card settings
[12:13] <MachineScrew> havoc: make shure you are not loading any unnesisary stuff
[12:13] <havoc> MachineScrew: 'v4l' not found in xorg.cong
[12:14] <MachineScrew> Mr_owen: you still with me
[12:14] <Mr_owen> one moment pls
[12:14] <havoc> MachineScrew: just add "v4l" in the "Module" section?
[12:14] <MachineScrew> havoc: ok ya that would be fine
[12:14] <havoc> nalioth: I need my TV :)
[12:14] <nalioth> havoc: i find ATI support to be fuX0rd
[12:14] <havoc> MachineScrew: ok, I'll try it
[12:14] <nalioth> havoc: try the VESA driver
[12:14] <Mr_owen> have a phonecall
[12:14] <havoc> nalioth: yeah, me too :(
[12:15] <MachineScrew> havoc: make shure to remove any thing regarding fb
[12:15] <havoc> brb, restart X
[12:15] <havoc> MachineScrew: ok
[12:17] <MachineScrew> havoc: ok now
[12:17] <`Nomad> zepticon: try right-clicking on the desktop area and picking "Configure Desktop"
[12:17] <havoc> bah, still doing it :(
[12:17] <MachineScrew> damn
[12:17] <MachineScrew> ok
[12:17] <havoc> also, when I start xawtv the screen goes blank;  I do ctrl-alt-<numpad + then -> to fix
[12:18] <MachineScrew> havoc: try zapping
[12:18] <havoc> MachineScrew: 'zapping'?
[12:18] <MachineScrew> ok kwintv somthing like that
[12:18] <havoc> ah, hang on
[12:18] <havoc> I actually have a kwintv config somewhere
[12:18] <MachineScrew> havoc: sorry zapping is a GNOME prog
[12:19] <havoc> MachineScrew: it makes no difference
[12:19] <havoc> I run a lot of gnome stuff in kde, and vice versa
[12:19] <MachineScrew> ok
[12:19] <havoc> hmm, why *does* "kubuntu" exist?
[12:20] <havoc> vs. just havign KDE packages, which is all it is
[12:20] <havoc> I'm just curious
[12:20] <MachineScrew> for those who want cosisntancy in all apps and not all of GNOME
[12:21] <havoc> right, but you can just install the packages
[12:21] <havoc> or the ubuntu installer could ask if you wanted gnome and/or kde
[12:22] <crimsun> are you volunteering to add the bits to d-i? :)
[12:22] <MachineScrew> havoc; or you could do a server install and run sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:22] <gdh> havoc: the simple answer... is simply because X + GNOME + KDE won't fit on a 700MB CD
[12:22] <havoc> MachineScrew: ah, I didn't know there was a meta-package
[12:22] <havoc> gdh: yeah, I can understand that
[12:22] <havoc> gdh: mandrake uses 3 CDs to get it done
[12:23] <MachineScrew> havoc: that is why
[12:23] <gdh> yeh, and worse.. it's 1) full of crap and 2) french :)
[12:23] <havoc> gdh: it's also fairly nice
[12:23] <havoc> but I don't like 'holy wars'
[12:23] <MachineScrew> havoc: SuSE uses 5 or one or 2 DVDs
[12:23] <havoc> I'm converting all my stuff to ubuntu
[12:23] <MachineScrew> I realy don't care
[12:23] <MachineScrew> Ubuntu Kubuntu
[12:23] <havoc> MachineScrew: yeah, me too
[12:24] <MachineScrew> just as long as its fast
[12:24] <havoc> I personally run kde, but I also run a bunch of gtk+ apps, like galeon
[12:24] <MachineScrew> FC SuSE Mandrake all sloooowww
[12:24] <TokenBad> is there different audio codecs for kde than for gnome? I was running gnome and played clips and audio was fine...then switched to kubuntu desktop and now sound jumps and skips
[12:24] <MachineScrew> Ya I run Firefox and VMware both gtk-based
[12:24] <havoc> bah
[12:25] <havoc> !find kwintv
[12:25] <MachineScrew> no KDE also has a image editor
[12:25] <mr_roboto> sorry for offtopic but does anyone here use Umbrello? nobody answering in #umbrello
[12:25] <MachineScrew> use synaptic and search TV
[12:25] <gdh> VMware looks like a horrid old Motif app...
[12:25] <havoc> I use it cuz it's what I have my clients and their uses use
[12:25] <havoc> MachineScrew: did, well, used apt-cache search
[12:25] <MachineScrew> Na 5 is better they use GTK
[12:25] <MachineScrew> ok
[12:25] <gdh> k, am still with 4.5.2
[12:26] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'kwintv' returned no results.
[12:26] <MachineScrew> ya pirate 5
[12:26] <havoc> was my ubotu command incorrect?
[12:26] <MachineScrew> its better
[12:26] <havoc> bah
[12:27] <havoc> bah, no mplayer either
[12:27] <gdh> havoc: mplayer is in universe.
[12:27] <havoc> !find mplayer
[12:27] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'mplayer' (11 shown): mozilla-mplayer ;; mplayer-386 ;; mplayer-586 ;; mplayer-686 ;; mplayer-custom ;; mplayer-doc ;; mplayer-fonts ;; mplayer-k6 ;; mplayer-k7 ;; mplayer-nogui ;; xmms-xmmplayer.
[12:27] <havoc> gdh: I have universe, just not multiverse
[12:27] <havoc> ubotu: tell me about repos
[12:27] <jrattner1> Iget the following error when starting armops: Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual , any clues
[12:27] <gdh> maybe it's in multiverse then :)
[12:28] <TokenBad> is there different audio codecs for kde than for gnome? I was running gnome and played clips and audio was fine...then switched to kubuntu desktop and now sound jumps and skips
[12:28] <slow-motion> n8
[12:28] <TokenBad> also I get error in mplayer
[12:28] <jrattner1> GLX is listed as a suppoerted extension under KinfoCenter
[12:28] <TokenBad> about audio encoder on some avi's
[12:28] <gdh> yeh Filename: pool/multiverse/m/mplayer/mplayer-586_1.0-pre7cvs20050716-0.1ubuntu9_i386.deb
[12:28] <MachineScrew> havoc: hey did you get gatos
[12:29] <havoc> MachineScrew: 'gatos'?
[12:29] <havoc> gdh: yeah, I was installing galeon so I could find the sources line for it :)
[12:29] <MachineScrew> havoc: ya its ATI All In wonder capture
[12:30] <MachineScrew> its in the repos
[12:30] <havoc> MachineScrew: oh yeah, now I remember what it is
[12:30] <gdh> havoc: duplicate the 'universe' one in sources.list and change universe to multiverse... :)
[12:30] <havoc> but I have a hauppagge WinTV BTTV card
[12:30] <havoc> simplest TV card to use in linux
[12:30] <MachineScrew> oh ok
[12:30] <MachineScrew> well
[12:30] <MachineScrew> kvdr
[12:30] <MachineScrew> then
[12:30] <funkyHat> has anyone else had problems with amaroK crashing under breezy? (sorry to ask again, i had to go quickly)
[12:30] <havoc> MachineScrew: only like $40 too
[12:30] <gdh> MachineScrew: Come on, analogue bttv card's going to be no use with VDR...
[12:31] <crimsun> funkyHat, under what circumstances?
[12:31] <funkyHat> it's not the problem someone mentioned with the sound system... it's a problem with the library
[12:31] <havoc> gdh: they make soem nice ones w/ MPEG chips onboard, but that's nto what I have
[12:31] <funkyHat> it crashes when it tries to generate it's media library
[12:31] <Mr_owen> machinescrew: i'm back
[12:31] <MachineScrew> havoc: eather kvdr or zapping
[12:31] <gdh> havoc: Yeh, I have one of the full-featured ones.. watching cartoon network on TV at the moment wirh it :)
[12:31] <Mr_owen> sorry for the delay, my gf as on the phone :)
[12:32] <MachineScrew> Mr_owen: did it unzip
[12:32] <Mr_owen> yes
[12:32] <havoc> gdh: ncie :)
[12:32] <Mr_owen> no i have to do ndiswrapper -i with what file again ?
[12:32] <havoc> gah, no emacs?
[12:32] <gdh> havoc: the whole software xine-plugin or softdevice thing with VDR just fills me with pain...
[12:33] <MachineScrew> ok now do sudo ndiswrapper -i AR/bcmwl5.inf
[12:33] <Mr_owen> with the 5a or just the ...5.inf
[12:33] <Mr_owen> ok
[12:33] <MachineScrew> the 5.inf
[12:33] <Mr_owen> he installed that
[12:33] <Mr_owen> forcing parameter ....
[12:33] <Mr_owen> couple of times
[12:34] <havoc> ok, I need another beer
[12:35] <MachineScrew> Mr_owen: ??
[12:35] <Mr_owen> yes ?
[12:35] <Mr_owen> he installed
[12:35] <MachineScrew> Mr_owen: who
[12:35] <funkyHat> crimsun, i'm actually running gnome, but there's not a comparable media player native to gnome so i use amaroK
[12:35] <Mr_owen> the .inf file
[12:35] <havoc> all I really need (want) is galeon, xawtv, gkrellm, xmms, and a billion konsoles
[12:36] <MachineScrew> Mr_owen: did you run the -i command
[12:36] <crimsun> I settle for a billion terminal emulators
[12:36] <Mr_owen> yes
[12:36] <inc|freaky> amarok is the best ^^
[12:36] <MachineScrew> Mr_owen: ok and it worked
[12:36] <Mr_owen> yes i think so
[12:36] <Mr_owen> it said: installing bcmlw5
[12:37] <MachineScrew> Mr_owen: now do sudo ndiswrapper -m
[12:37] <havoc> gdh: yo, should I copy the security lines as well?
[12:37] <MachineScrew> Mr_owen: then sudo ndiswrapper -hotplug
[12:37] <gdh> can't do any harm, I suppose :)
[12:37] <Mr_owen> adding alias ...
[12:37] <havoc> or is there no breezy-security for multiverse?
[12:37] <havoc> ok
[12:37] <MachineScrew> Mr_owen: awsome
[12:37] <Mr_owen> ok did the -hotplug
[12:38] <MachineScrew> Mr_owen: the last thing in the console
[12:38] <MachineScrew> Mr_owen: sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[12:38] <Mr_owen> ok
[12:38] <MachineScrew> Mr_owen: any errors ?
[12:38] <Mr_owen> nope
[12:39] <MachineScrew> Mr_owen: are the lights on on the card
[12:39] <Mr_owen> nope
[12:39] <Mr_owen> :d
[12:39] <MachineScrew> that might not meen much
[12:39] <MachineScrew> some don't come on untill connected
[12:39] <MachineScrew> to an ap
[12:39] <Mr_owen> hm
[12:39] <MachineScrew> ok open the k menu
[12:40] <Mr_owen> i have a powerlight and a transfer light, i think the power light should be burning
[12:40] <Mr_owen> but ok
[12:40] <MachineScrew> oh ok
[12:40] <MachineScrew> unplug it then pluig it back in
[12:40] <havoc> gah, no kwintv found still :(
[12:40] <havoc> got mplayer now though
[12:41] <MachineScrew> havoc: use the force get the source
[12:41] <havoc> I'm sure there's a deb for it, just not an ubuntu package
[12:41] <havoc> and I really want to use xawtv anyway
[12:42] <MachineScrew> Mr_owen: how is it now
[12:42] <_ben>
[12:42] <vitriol> anybody know why glxgears wouldn't tell the fps?
[12:43] <MachineScrew> vitriol: did you run it from a console
[12:43] <vitriol> fgl_glxgears does, but i'm not getting any results from glxgears
[12:43] <vitriol> MachineScrew: yeah
[12:43] <MachineScrew> vitriol:  run glxgears in the console
[12:44] <vitriol> i ran it in the console
[12:44] <MachineScrew> you have to let it run for a wile
[12:44] <vitriol> ?
[12:44] <vitriol> more than 5 seconds?
[12:44] <MachineScrew> gues not
[12:44] <Mr_owen> hi sorry
[12:44] <Mr_owen> got disconnected
[12:45] <MachineScrew> ok
[12:45] <vitriol> i let it run for ~ 2 minutes
[12:45] <Mr_owen> open the k menu was the last thing i saw
[12:45] <vitriol> no results in the console
[12:45] <vitriol> at least i have drm/dri all that other junk :)
[12:45] <MachineScrew> ok unplug the card and plug it back in
[12:45] <Mr_owen> nope
[12:46] <Mr_owen> still no lights
[12:46] <MachineScrew> run sudo /etc/init.d/pcmcia restart
[12:47] <Mr_owen> starting pcmcia services
[12:47] <Mr_owen> but still no lights
[12:47] <MachineScrew> ok never mind that lets see if the kernel sees it
[12:47] <MachineScrew> run iwconfig
[12:47] <havoc> mofo
[12:47] <Mr_owen> wlan0
[12:47] <havoc> no mount.smbfs in ubuntu :(
[12:48] <Tm_T> there is?
[12:48] <MachineScrew> is any info for wlan0 there
[12:48] <Mr_owen> yeah
[12:48] <Mr_owen> a lot
[12:48] <Mr_owen> :)
[12:48] <Tm_T> havoc: there is
[12:48] <MachineScrew> ok cool then the kernel sees it and its ready to be configured
[12:49] <havoc> Tm_T: not that I can find
[12:49] <Mr_owen> kewl
[12:49] <havoc> now I have to change all my scripts :(
[12:49] <MachineScrew> go to the K and then System Settings
[12:50] <Mr_owen> ok
[12:50] <havoc> gah, man page says there's a /sbin/mount.smbfs but there isn't, mount isn't even in sbin
[12:50] <Mr_owen> i'm in the system settings
[12:51] <MachineScrew> now go to network settings
[12:51] <Mr_owen> ok
[12:51] <Mr_owen> enabled network device is my onboard cable one that i use now
[12:51] <Mr_owen> and it also shows a disabled wirelles one
[12:52] <MachineScrew> first configure the one that is the disabled one
[12:52] <Mr_owen> i can't configure them
[12:52] <Mr_owen> they are light grey
[12:52] <MachineScrew> you have to be admin
[12:53] <Mr_owen> how can i do that ?
[12:53] <MachineScrew> can you see the admin button
[12:53] <Mr_owen> no there is none
[12:53] <MachineScrew> ok hit tab once then hit enter
[12:54] <Mr_owen> ah ok there is
[12:54] <MachineScrew> then type in your password
[12:54] <Mr_owen> yeah done
[12:54] <Mr_owen> i can configure it
[12:54] <MachineScrew> ya
[12:55] <Mr_owen> ip via dhcp and activate when computer starts i gues
[12:55] <epiloc> can anyone help me shut down xine with out a restart?
[12:55] <MachineScrew> ya
[12:55] <MachineScrew> epiloc: run killall xine
[12:55] <Mr_owen> but when i push enable
[12:55] <havoc> ok, had to install smbfs
[12:55] <Mr_owen> it says it enables it
[12:55] <havoc> all is well
[12:55] <Mr_owen> but than it disables emidiatley after
[12:56] <MachineScrew> you have to disable the current one and enable the new one
[12:56] <epiloc> MachineScrew: i tried that a dozen times
[12:56] <epiloc> the windows will not close
[12:57] <cyne> where would the linux kernel headers be in kubuntu?
[12:57] <crimsun> in the package linux-headers-$(uname -r)|
[12:57] <crimsun> -|
[12:57] <cyne> crimsun, well i have it installed
[12:57] <cyne> according to kynaptic
[12:57] <MachineScrew> epiloc: control+alt+backspace
[12:58] <vitriol> how do you know which version of kde  you have?
[12:58] <crimsun> cyne, so /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build is valid?
[12:58] <Mr_owen> doesnt work
[12:59] <`Nomad> MachineScrew: Guess CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE worked.. :)
[12:59] <cddesjar> is there a way to restart x on the kubuntu live cd?
[12:59] <cyne> yes
[12:59] <cddesjar> i've tried xkill
[12:59] <cyne> crimsun: yes it is
[12:59] <cddesjar> and /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[12:59] <cddesjar> and they crash
[12:59] <havoc> gah, no themes package for gkrellm :(
[12:59] <matty> doesn't work
[01:00] <cddesjar> and i've tried to go into telinit 1
[01:00] <matty> i disables immediately
[01:00] <cddesjar> but it doesn't work
[01:00] <cyne> crimsun: oh, actually, there is no build dir
[01:00] <matty> even when i shut down the other one
[01:00] <cddesjar> any ideas?
[01:00] <cddesjar> also i don't know remember how to restart cardmgr?
[01:00] <crimsun> cyne, then the package is not installed
[01:00] <cddesjar> i am getting an error and i want to post it here or elsewhere to see if someone can help me fix my card
[01:00] <cyne> crimsun: i will try a reinstall
[01:00] <cddesjar> cardctl recognizes my card
[01:00] <Mr_owen> machinescrew: it still doesnt work
[01:01] <crimsun> cyne, just --reinstall the package
[01:01] <MachineScrew> try reboting then it might work
[01:02] <Mr_owen> ok
[01:02] <Mr_owen> brb
[01:02] <cyne> crimsun: ok.. it's strange though, it says i have linux version 2.6.10-5 and in kynaptic it says the package 'linux-kernel-headers' is version 2.5.999-test7
[01:03] <JustinS> Morning all (it's 8am here) .. Just a couple questions about my newly installed Kubuntu on my HP Pavilion dv4000 .. First can I make root active? (I'm not a fan of su) and second .. are there some good how to's on getting the wifi to work? Mine shows up, but it hooks to the wrong router and it's not connected to the internet.
[01:03] <crimsun> cyne, are we talking about the same thing?
[01:03] <cyne> crimsun: i don't know, i'm a noob
[01:03] <crimsun> cyne, linux-kernel-headers is used for libc6
[01:03] <crimsun> cyne, if linux-headers-$(uname -r) is used to compile kernel modules
[01:03] <crimsun> -if
[01:04] <cddesjar> do restart cardmgr do i just type sudo cardmgr restart?
[01:05] <JustinS> In cli I did sudo passwd root .. then gave it a good passwd, then when I open things that need root's password it seems to think I put the wrong one in ..
[01:05] <cyne> gotcha crimsun thanks :)
[01:06] <crimsun> np
[01:06] <JustinS> can I open kcontrol via su? It keeps handing me a screen full of Attach failed stuff ..
[01:08] <mr_owen> machinescrew ?
[01:08] <god-zero> JustinS: use kdesu kcontrol
[01:08] <mr_owen> now the wlan is gone from the list
[01:08] <mr_owen> :s
[01:09] <JustinS> god-zero: I'll try that thanks ..
[01:09] <MachineScrew> mr_owen: damn
[01:10] <MachineScrew> mr_owen: I am at a loss
[01:10] <MachineScrew> mr_owen: you need to do modprobe ndiswrapper
[01:10] <MachineScrew> mr_owen: again
[01:11] <mr_owen> ok
[01:12] <mr_owen> now its back
[01:12] <JustinS> Is there somewhere else I can play with my wifi than kontrol center>wireless network and KWifiManager? My card is on and all, just not seeing MY router. (It's seeing someones linksys. Mine is password protected) ..
[01:13] <mr_owen> but now i can't reconfigure them anymore
[01:13] <mr_owen> when i input my admin pass, it doesn't change anything
[01:15] <mr_owen> still there machinescrew ?
[01:16] <MachineScrew> mr_owen: ya I am not shure of what else to do
[01:18] <DaSkreech> Is there a list of changes in KDe3.5?
[01:19] <jmg> anyone know why my laptop shuts down after coming back from soft suspend?
[01:21] <jrattner1> where can i configure my resolution from within KDE
[01:21] <jrattner1> ?
[01:21] <jmg> jrattner: display
[01:22] <inc|freaky> let the music heal your soul *sings*
[01:22] <inc|freaky> damn im bored ^^
[01:22] <hippie10> how to change "open home in the konqueror"?
[01:22] <jmg> hippie10: configure konqueror
[01:23] <jrattner1> jmg, see now fglrx is running, but my resoltion is terrible should i run sudo dpgk-reconfigure xserver-xorg and change it their?
[01:23] <jrattner1> jmg, the other problem is im not sure what my proper values should be, ubuntu automatically had configure everything for me properly in 1440x900
[01:23] <jmg> jrattner: you can change from xserver-xorg yes
[01:24] <jrattner1> jmg, is that the easiest place to it from though
[01:24] <jmg> jrattner1: yes... display applet is sort of broken
[01:25] <jrattner1> jmg, do I want to load glcore?
[01:26] <jrattner1> ?
[01:26] <inc|freaky> i guess yes
[01:27] <inc|freaky> what graphiccard do you use?
[01:27] <jmg> jrattner1: yes and use module fglrx
[01:27] <jrattner1> ati
[01:27] <jmg> er driver
[01:27] <jmg> jrattner1: not driver ati
[01:28] <jrattner1> alright hope this works
[01:28] <jrattner1> brb
[01:29] <mr_owen> what browser are you guys using ?
[01:30] <mr_owen> are you using konquerer ?
[01:39] <jrattner1> didnt work
[01:40] <TokenBad> anyone know a way to make sure have the ac3 codec?
[01:41] <JustinS> K .. I've got my kcontrol open here, with the networks tab selected for my ethernet cards. Neither cards are active, and when I click enable my wifi card simply blinks and goes back to disabled. Help? (It's ipw2200 driver on it) ..
[01:45] <MachineScrew> how do I remove ndiswrapper totaly with all configs
[01:51] <TokenBad> ok I don't have the ac3 codec..anyone know how I can get it?
[02:00] <Tranquitos> i have a little question
[02:00] <Tranquitos> how can i install the source of the running kernel?
[02:01] <Tranquitos> i tried "apt-get install kernel-source" or things like that, but i get different versions than the running one
[02:01] <Tranquitos> my kernel version is 2.6.10-5-386
[02:02] <Tranquitos> any help would be appreciated :)
[02:04] <crimsun> Tranquitos, linux-source-2.6.10
[02:04] <crimsun> Tranquitos, we use linux-* as a prefix, not kernel-*
[02:05] <TokenBad> ok I don't have the ac3 codec..anyone know how I can get it?
[02:05] <Tranquitos> crimsun: thank you very much, mate
[02:05] <Tranquitos> it's installing now :)
[02:09] <cyne> i try to go to click on floppy disk in konqueror but the light doesn't even flash and it says "floppy busy"
[02:10] <cyne> oh it's ok
[02:10] <cyne> nps
[02:11] <TokenBad> ok question...I started with installing ubuntu and then switched to kde desktop..is it better to do that or just to download and install kubuntu?
[02:12] <Tranquitos> TokenBad: i think it's the same
[02:12] <TokenBad> I am not so sure
[02:12] <TokenBad> cause when I did the switch
[02:12] <TokenBad> I started having trouble
[02:13] <Tranquitos> what kind of trouble?
[02:13] <Tranquitos> afaict, kubuntu is ubuntu with gnome replaced with kde
[02:15] <TokenBad> I know..but sound started acting up...
[02:15] <TokenBad> my screensaver now will not start up on boot
[02:15] <TokenBad> unless I go to screensaver to turn it on
[02:15] <TokenBad> stuff like that
[02:18] <Tranquitos> hmm it's weird, i don't know what could be causing it
[02:19] <TokenBad> well downloading kubuntu now...and one day may just install it to see if it fixes the problems
[02:21] <Tranquitos> maybe breezy fixes that
[02:27] <mad_bull_> hi i have problems with sound.... how do i go about fixing it?
[02:28] <crimsun> what sort of problems?
[02:31] <mad_bull_> oss audio output error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp)
[02:32] <crimsun> cat /proc/asound/modules
[02:32] <TokenBad> Tranquitos, looks like hoary is still that is all that is avail for kubuntu download page
[02:32] <mad_bull_> snd_intel8x0
[02:32] <mad_bull_> 0 snd_intel8x0
[02:32] <mad_bull_> is that the driver?
[02:32] <Tranquitos> TokenBad: yes, it is... breezy will be out during this month
[02:32] <TokenBad> k
[02:33] <orace|> there's a kubuntu breezy preview available for download
[02:33] <crimsun> mad_bull_, arts probably has already grabbed /dev/dsp* or /dev/snd/*
[02:33] <crimsun> mad_bull_, lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*
[02:33] <mad_bull_> what is arts?
[02:34] <mad_bull_> crimsun: doesn't look like it
[02:34] <mad_bull_> lsof |grep /dev/dsp
[02:34] <mad_bull_> gives nuthing
[02:35] <crimsun> mad_bull_, use the precise syntax I gave you.
[02:35] <TokenBad> I get alot of jumping and skipping in my sound when doing video
[02:35] <mad_bull_> lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd*
[02:35] <TokenBad> only started when went from ubuntu to kubuntu desktop
[02:35] <mad_bull_> also gives nothing
[02:36] <mad_bull_> but
[02:36] <TokenBad> 19 mins and will have the preview version of breezy downloaded
[02:36] <mad_bull_> lsof |grep /dev/snd
[02:36] <mad_bull_> artsd     6146    maqbool  mem       CHR     116,16               6836 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p
[02:36] <mad_bull_> artsd     6146    maqbool   11u      CHR     116,16               6836 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p
[02:36] <mad_bull_> artsd     6146    maqbool   12r      CHR     116,33               6687 /dev/snd/timer
[02:36] <mad_bull_> kmix      6175    maqbool   10u      CHR      116,0               6952 /dev/snd/controlC0
[02:36] <mad_bull_> artsd     7376    maqbool  mem       CHR     116,16               6836 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p
[02:36] <mad_bull_> artsd     7376    maqbool   11u      CHR     116,16               6836 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p
[02:36] <mad_bull_> oops sorry
[02:36] <mad_bull_> hmmm
[02:36] <crimsun> then pkill artsd
[02:36] <mad_bull_> looks like artsd and kmix have grabbed /dev/snd right?
[02:37] <crimsun> just as I thought.
[02:37] <Tranquitos> is there a program like virtualdub for linux?
[02:39] <mad_bull_> crimsun: thanks very much, learnt a new comand and fixed sound
[02:39] <mad_bull_> great
[02:40] <crimsun> np
[02:41] <mad_bull_>  crimsun: how do i stop artsd starting up?
[02:41] <mad_bull_> because it keeps starting even though i have killed it
[02:41] <mad_bull_> its obviously another daemon which waits for an event and it starts artsd or somethign
[02:41] <mad_bull_> bloody annoying
[02:43] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Tranquitos: As far as I know, Cinelerra. I'm not sure though, so check it out yourself, just in case
[02:44] <crimsun> mad_bull_, either disable it in KDE's preferences (control center), or set the timeout for releasing the audio device for arts to a low value, like 2 seconds
[02:44] <Tranquitos> ok, thanks Rogue_Jedi_X... i'll check it out now
[02:45] <mad_bull_> crimsun: how do i get to the control center?
[02:47] <crimsun> it's in the K menu
[02:49] <mad_bull_> under system settings?
[02:52] <crimsun> perhaps. I'm not in KDE atm.
[03:01] <Pablo_C> o.O
[03:08] <KiwiKibi> How do I specify the latest STABLE release ENTERPRISE edition?  And who do I contact to get CD-ROMS from?
[03:08] <KiwiKibi> in the USA
[03:09] <KiwiKibi> i need delivery in the USA
[03:12] <KiwiKibi> did i say something wrong?
[03:12] <crimsun> ship-it
[03:12] <crimsun> see the link from the Ubuntu home page.
[03:14] <TokenBad> I can download it faster...
[03:14] <TokenBad> heheh
[03:14] <TokenBad> but I have my order in
[03:14] <TokenBad> but don't think they are shipping anything till the new one is released
[03:16] <TokenBad> mine has been approved but hasn't shipped
[03:17] <TokenBad> takes me 20 mins or less to download an iso
[03:19] <KiwiKibi> could someone answer my 2 simple questions?
[03:20] <Tranquitos> KiwiKibi: You can order CDs from ShipIt, there is a link on Ubuntu's homepage
[03:21] <Tranquitos> and no, you did not say something wrong, i think... hehe
[03:21] <crimsun> anyone using the 3.5 beta 1 debs?
[03:21] <crimsun> if so, please apt-cache madison amarok
[03:22] <KiwiKibi> Tranquitos: thank you very much
[03:23] <Tranquitos> no problem KiwiKibi
[03:23] <epp> hey what repo has the newest amarok
[03:23] <claydoh> reezy has 1.3.1
[03:23] <claydoh> latest is 1.3.2 iirc
[03:23] <KiwiKibi> how come Kubuntu webpage only lists one seller in Germany?
[03:24] <claydoh> seller?
[03:24] <epp> i have hoary... where can i get newest?
[03:24] <claydoh> you can compile it from source
[03:24] <claydoh> but I doubt any debs you eill find from amarok will work
[03:24] <KiwiKibi> yes, for the price of E0.99 Euros a CD is shipped by that Germany outfit
[03:25] <KiwiKibi> http://www.kubuntu.de/shop/catalog/index.php?cPath=30
[03:26] <claydoh> try cheapbytes.com or osdisc.com or similar
[03:35] <KiwiKibi> "Security Error: you tried to connect to shipit.ubuntu.com.  However, the certificate belongs to launchpad.net.  It is possible though unlikely that someone may be trying to intercept your communication."  . . . what gives?
[03:35] <claydoh> nothing really
[03:36] <claydoh> https://launchpad.net/
[03:37] <claydoh> they probably are providing/donating space/services
[03:37] <god-zero> KiwiKibi: The CDs aren't for sale, they're pressed and shiped for free, the software is free... The only "Enterprise" distinction is in the support model. You may be interested in this (support) page: http://www.ubuntu.com/support/supportoptions/support/supportoptions/paidsupport/
[03:38] <KiwiKibi> thank you
[03:38] <BlankB> !repositories
[03:38] <ubotu> repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy))
[03:38] <claydoh> I don't believe Kubuntu cds are part of ship-it, am I correct?
[03:40] <claydoh> https://launchpad.net/ looks to be part of canonical, and therefore part of Ubuntu more or less
[03:43] <DaSkreech> is there somewhere I can find the changes from KDe 3.4 to 3.5?
[03:44] <Tranquitos> DaSkreech: www.kde.org
[03:51] <cddesjar> is the best way to install kde 3.5 beta to: apt-get upgrade
[03:52] <cddesjar> i am running breezy badger
[03:52] <god-zero> cddesjar:  http://kubuntu.org/kde-35beta1.php
[03:52] <cddesjar> yeah god-zero that doesn't say anything regarding my question
[03:52] <cddesjar> i add the source to my sources.list
[03:52] <cddesjar> and i imported the key
[03:53] <cddesjar> i am all ready to go
[03:53] <cddesjar> just curious if i should upgrade it differently
[03:53] <god-zero> update + upgrade, that's all
[03:53] <cddesjar> ok
[03:53] <cddesjar> thanks
[03:53] <cddesjar> i figured that was all there was to it
[03:54] <god-zero> then restart x
[03:54] <cddesjar> sure
[03:54] <cddesjar> ctl alt and backspace
[03:54] <god-zero> yep
[03:54] <god-zero> went suprisingly smooth for me
[03:55] <cddesjar> ubuntu doesn't have amarok 1.3 yet?
[03:55] <cddesjar> or is just not on the breezy preview cd?
[03:56] <cddesjar> nevermind...i'll figure it out on my own
[03:56] <cddesjar> it's pretty easy too
[03:56] <god-zero> breezy has 1.3.1, not on the preview cd, that's getting dated
[03:56] <cddesjar> ok
[03:57] <cddesjar> i just switched from debian because it takes a little while for new software
[03:57] <god-zero> It's funny to call a CD that's a week or two as "dated"... breezy's a moving target
[03:58] <cddesjar> but it's frozen now right?
[03:59] <cddesjar> no new software just security updates?  or is it different from the way the debian team handles releases?
[03:59] <god-zero> feature frozen, a week or two ago, amarok was slid in at the last second
[04:00] <cddesjar> i see
[04:00] <god-zero> once released, new software can be had thru backports
[04:01] <god-zero> other than that, only security and bugfixes make it in
[04:02] <cddesjar> so just like debian then
[04:04] <god-zero> the timing is tied to gnome so the gnome desktop is fresh... there have been some thoughts on optimizing kubuntu/kde timing
[04:07] <KiwiKibi_> what was the name of the more advance "sendmail" clone?
[04:07] <KiwiKibi_> Qmail, was it?
[04:08] <cddesjar> what's gnome at now 2.12?
[04:08] <god-zero> or postfix
[04:09] <god-zero> 2.12 i think, I'm a kde centric type... gnomes ok but I don't follow it too close
[04:12] <KiwiKibi_> if i install KDE, can i still run Xfc?
[04:13] <god-zero> yes, you can pick your desktop at the gui login
[04:13] <KiwiKibi_> 'k, thanks
[04:15] <god-zero> I don't know how good the default Xfc setup is under (k)ubuntu, but if you're used to it, I'm sure you'll bend it to your will quickly
[04:17] <god-zero> KiwiKibi_: When 6.04 comes out there'll be a more compelling Enterprise setup  (support for 5 yrs etc iirc
[04:23] <Pablo_C> anyone have any idea why my wireless nic, when I enable it, it immediately disables?
[04:23] <seth_k> try it from console and see what message you get
[04:24] <seth_k> it's not being able to connect
[04:24] <Pablo_C> ugh
[04:24] <Pablo_C> :P
[04:24] <Pablo_C> hang on a sec
[04:25] <Pablo_C> in control center when I try to go into admin mode it just hangs
[04:25] <seth_k> yeah
[04:25] <Pablo_C> I cant even enable it now
[04:25] <seth_k> in Konsole: "sudo ifdown wlan0 && sudo ifup wlan0"
[04:25] <seth_k> replace wlan0 with the actual name
[04:26] <Pablo_C> it has to be turned on though right?
[04:26] <Pablo_C> in an ifconfig my wifi isnt even there
[04:27] <seth_k> ohh
[04:27] <seth_k> tell me about your card
[04:27] <seth_k> chipset and things
[04:27] <Pablo_C> atheros
[04:27] <Pablo_C> chipset
[04:27] <Pablo_C> www.ubnt.com   its the sr2
[04:27] <Pablo_C> should run with the madwifi drivers though
[04:27] <seth_k> okay, internal
[04:27] <Pablo_C> yes
[04:28] <Pablo_C> I dont know why in control center It just hangs on "loading"
[04:28] <Pablo_C> when I try to go into admin
[04:28] <seth_k> do you have kde 3.4.2 ?
[04:29] <Pablo_C> whatever I downloaded of ubuntu site today
[04:29] <Pablo_C> where do I check?
[04:29] <god-zero> my dlink 650g - atheros isn't recognised under breezy either, it was under hoary.. but I don't really use it.. so I haven't looked into it
[04:29] <seth_k> you can right click the panel, click About KDE
[04:30] <Pablo_C> it is 3.4.0
[04:31] <seth_k> okay, that will be part of the freezing problem
[04:31] <seth_k> I would suggest updating
[04:31] <seth_k> but that's not related to wifi problems
[04:31] <Pablo_C> :)
[04:31] <Pablo_C> and how do I update it?
[04:31] <Pablo_C> this apt-get is new to me
[04:32] <seth_k> http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php
[04:32] <Pablo_C> ok thanks
[04:32] <seth_k> first, you would type in CLI: "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
[04:32] <seth_k> then add ONE of the lines there (not all)
[04:33] <seth_k> then in CLI: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"
[04:33] <seth_k> then you are done :)
[04:34] <Pablo_C> thanks mate
[04:35] <Pablo_C> oh also
[04:36] <Pablo_C> when I try to compile the new madwifi drivers it asks for modular-* somthing
[04:36] <Pablo_C> but I cant find it in the apt-get
[04:36] <Pablo_C> is there some more repos... that I should add?
[04:36] <seth_k> could you find the actual name? would help ;)
[04:36] <Pablo_C> ok
[04:36] <Pablo_C> let me run through it again
[04:40] <Pablo_C> I think I got it
[04:40] <Pablo_C> also
[04:40] <Pablo_C> so I need to upgrade the kernel?
[04:40] <Pablo_C> 2.6.10-5-386
[04:40] <seth_k> no, that is the latest hoary kernel
[04:41] <seth_k> IMO I would suggest waiting 15 days. Then the new version of Ubuntu will be out. It should fix your wireless issues
[04:41] <Pablo_C> ok
[04:41] <Pablo_C> I have to have wireless though :P
[04:41] <Pablo_C> I work for a wireless isp
[04:41] <seth_k> before 15 days? :P
[04:41] <Pablo_C> yes
[04:41] <seth_k> hmm
[04:41] <Pablo_C> I will hammer on it this weekend
[04:42] <seth_k> okay, well what thing did it ask for?
[04:42] <seth_k> you never told me ;)
[04:42] <Pablo_C> if I dont get it I will just throw my xp drive back in
[04:42] <Pablo_C> I know
[04:42] <Pablo_C> hang on a sec
[04:43] <Pablo_C> let me get kde updated then I will move to the wireless
[04:43] <seth_k> ok
[04:43] <Pablo_C> I hate for it to be doing to many things at once :P
[04:44] <Pablo_C> is the speedstepping functional ?
[04:44] <Pablo_C> I notice my computer is only running at 600mhz but sees the processor at 1400
[04:45] <Pablo_C> cat cpufreq
[04:45] <Pablo_C>           minimum CPU frequency  -  maximum CPU frequency  -  policy
[04:45] <Pablo_C> CPU  0       600000 kHz ( 42 %)  -    1400000 kHz (100 %)  -  userspace
[04:46] <seth_k> my speedstep works
[04:46] <Pablo_C> it just straight out of the box worked
[04:46] <Pablo_C> or did you have to do some mods?
[04:46] <seth_k> OOB
[04:46] <Pablo_C> sweetness
[04:47] <Pablo_C> I think I am going to like this distro
[04:47] <Pablo_C> :)
[04:47] <Pablo_C> it drives me crazy not being able to be root though
[04:47] <seth_k> why?
[04:47] <Pablo_C> I am not used to this sudo stuff
[04:47] <seth_k> sudo
[04:47] <seth_k> mmm
[04:47] <Pablo_C> just different
[04:47] <Pablo_C> not what I am used to
[04:47] <seth_k> then see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[04:47] <seth_k> if you really want
[04:48] <seth_k> but I would suggest learning the new way
[04:48] <seth_k> instead of enabling root
[04:48] <Pablo_C> I think I will learn the new way
[04:48] <seth_k> I think you will get a better experience for it in the long run.
[04:48] <Pablo_C> if yall will be patient :P
[04:48] <seth_k> but anyways, Breezy got a LOT of laptop love
[04:48] <seth_k> so it's my guess that your wireless card will Just Work(tm)
[04:49] <Pablo_C> I am really happy with how well it worked on my lappy
[04:49] <Pablo_C> I have tried several other distros first and this one took no configuration
[04:49] <Pablo_C> which is nice
[04:49] <Pablo_C> video was right... sound was right
[04:49] <Pablo_C> I dont know if bluetooth is right
[04:49] <Pablo_C> but I will work on that
[04:49] <seth_k> my bluetooth works :)
[04:49] <seth_k> I just sent a ringtone to my phone
[04:50] <seth_k> but ymmv
[04:50] <Pablo_C> right
[04:50] <Pablo_C> ymmv is a term for hookers
[04:50] <Pablo_C> :P
[04:50] <Hy_BoT_> HI. Can anybody tell me if there is thing like ubuntu's Synaptic in KUbuntu?  How can I make Kubuntu "eat" any type of media files? Was trying to install codecs, but....didn't work out really good. In mandriva those codecs built-in, why its not the same in Kubuntu?
[04:53] <seth_k> ubotu tell Hy_BoT_ about restrictedformats
[04:53] <Pablo_C> ack
[04:54] <seth_k> mm?
[04:54] <Hy_BoT_> ?
[04:54] <Pablo_C> the system tools or whatever is all the way gone now :P
[04:54] <seth_k> yes
[04:54] <seth_k> the new one is SystemSettings
[04:54] <Pablo_C> ok
[04:54] <seth_k> there should be an option for it in your K menu
[04:54] <seth_k> at the bottom
[04:55] <Pablo_C> not there.... though I am sure I am looking in the wrong place
[04:55] <seth_k> !info systemsettings
[04:55] <seth_k> hmm
[04:55] <seth_k> what's the name of it...
[04:56] <Pablo_C> name of what?
[04:56] <seth_k> ah
[04:56] <seth_k> !info kde-systemsettings
[04:56] <seth_k> nope, breezy-only
[04:56] <Pablo_C> hmm
[04:56] <seth_k> try going to Konqueror and typing settings:/
[04:56] <Pablo_C> ok
[04:57] <Pablo_C> ok that worked
[04:57] <Pablo_C> thanks
[04:57] <seth_k> yep
[04:59] <Pablo_C> ok
[04:59] <Pablo_C> see ya later
[04:59] <Pablo_C> thanks for the help
[04:59] <seth_k|away> okay, good luck with the wi-fi
[04:59] <KiwiKibi_> does Kubuntu have SEL--Security Enhncd Linux?
[04:59] <seth_k|away> which you never told me about :P
[04:59] <Pablo_C> I am trying
[04:59] <Pablo_C> I just have not got that far
[04:59] <Pablo_C> :)
[05:00] <Pablo_C> working on it now
[05:00] <seth_k|away> haha, okay
[05:00] <seth_k|away> i'm off to work
[05:00] <Pablo_C> that you are leaving
[05:00] <Pablo_C> have a great time at work
[05:00] <seth_k|away> oh yes
[05:00] <seth_k|away> mmmm bacteria
[05:00] <Pablo_C> um
[05:00] <Pablo_C> what is your work
[05:00] <seth_k|away> laboratory :D
[05:00] <Pablo_C> I hope it isnt mc donalds
[05:00] <Pablo_C> :P
[05:00] <seth_k|away> haha
[05:00] <seth_k|away> word
[05:18] <KiwiKibi_> I need to obtain KUbuntu in CD-ROMS: anyone have a URL where I can order it?
[05:20] <claydoh> you have to download, or purchase a cd from cheapbytes.com or the like, which is basically paying someone to d/l it for you
[05:21] <claydoh> you can get Ubuntu cds then install kubuntu-desktop after installing from that
[05:28] <hydrogen> err
[05:28] <hydrogen> can't you get kubuntu cd's from shipit?
[05:28] <Pablo_C> ditto
[05:34] <KiwiKibi_> which word denotes a release is stable: "preview", "colony", or other word?
[05:35] <crimsun> KiwiKibi_: neither. Like I said, Breezy is Breezy.
[05:36] <crimsun> when Ed/K/Ubuntu Breezy is released, it's the final version.
[05:36] <KiwiKibi_> in the context of software stability: what does your use of the term "breezy" attempts to signify?
[05:36] <god-zero> Breezy will be released in 2 weeks
[05:37] <crimsun> Breezy is a simply a unique identifier.
[05:37] <KiwiKibi_> god-zero: and by that you mean that it will be a release deemed stable?
[05:37] <hydrogen> yes
[05:38] <KiwiKibi_> which word denotes a release is stable: "preview", "colony", or other word?
[05:38] <god-zero> The breezy badger is in development. The different colony numbers and the preview relases are what we use to debug and send info to the devs.
[05:39] <KiwiKibi_> Then which word is used to stamp a release as stable?
[05:40] <crimsun> KiwiKibi_: there is none.
[05:40] <god-zero> Hedghog is the current stable AKA 5.04 (the 5 meens 2005, the 04 meens april). Use the numbers to know when it was released. Breezy is AKA 5.10, it will be released mid month
[05:40] <crimsun> dude, did you not read what I typed the first TWENTY times I typed it?
[05:41] <crimsun> if you _must_ attach a signifier to it, we "strip" the secondary name when a release is stable
[05:41] <crimsun> e.g., Breezy Colony -> Breezy
[05:42] <god-zero> New releases are scheduled every 6 months. dapper AKA 6.04 is the next shceduled release
[05:43] <KiwiKibi_> ahhh, i see . . . the absence of a signifier is a better way to signify something, eh?  Like when you want to indicate to automobile drivers that they should STOP at an intersection, the best way to indicate it is by . . . not putting any stop sign there, eh?  Brilliant!
[05:43] <god-zero> breezy etc are our nicknames. the number is what matters
[05:44] <chavo> KiwiKibi_, not the brightest star in the universe, are ya?
[05:44] <KiwiKibi_> so, even numbers indicate "stable", and odd numbers "beta"?
[05:45] <chavo> KiwiKibi_, pay attention. Put down the cheetos for a second.
[05:45] <chavo> every 6 months a stable release comes out
[05:45] <crimsun> I want whatever KiwiKibi_'s smoking.
[05:45] <god-zero> no, just signify the release date. if the $releasedate is greater than $currentdate, it's in development
[05:45] <chavo> oh now, you're confusing me :)
[05:46] <god-zero> lol
[05:46] <crimsun> it's really simple. We release every six months. The first release was October 2004, hence [200] 4.10.
[05:46] <KiwiKibi_> *coughnoyourejustamorongcough*
[05:47] <KiwiKibi_> so, the Preview releases and the Colony releases are not releases?
[05:47] <crimsun> When we release, we freeze the entire pool for that stable release. About a week after that stable release, we open a development branch.
[05:47] <crimsun> no, preview and colony are not releases. They're milestones.
[05:48] <crimsun> In the process of opening that development branch, we do a gigantic automated sync from Debian Sid.
[05:48] <KiwiKibi_> and are the milestones released to the public?
[05:48] <crimsun> yes, the milestones are all publicly available to encourage testing.
[05:48] <god-zero> KiwiKibi_: Ignore the names... they're unimportaint nicknames. The date is all that matters. like windows 95 98 2000... we have kubuntu 4.10 5.04 5.10 etc
[05:49] <god-zero> the number meen "went stable on date: year.month"
[05:51] <KiwiKibi_> ok . . . so when "preview" or "colony" is appended to 5.10 it means that it was destabilized?
[05:51] <claydoh> heh
[05:51] <god-zero> so the 5.10 release (aka breezy) will go stable october 05. (about mid month)
[05:51] <chavo> KiwiKibi_, ni it means it's not stable yet
[05:51] <chavo> it will be stable on 5.10, 2005 Oct
[05:52] <god-zero> a group of badgers is called a colony. It's an inside joke. colony 1 was the first iso for testing, colony 2 was the second iso etc. preview is like colony, but later in the development cycle.
[05:52] <crimsun> KiwiKibi_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseSchedule
[05:53] <chavo> better not tell him about the daily isos
[05:53] <chavo> oops
[05:53] <god-zero> don't worry about the prerelese stuff unless you want to help us debug.
[05:54] <chavo> or you're insane
[05:54] <KiwiKibi_> aight . . . (I hope these dudes marketing manager is not swindling them at the tune of thousands of dollars per year salaries) . . . one last question: what's the difference between a "preview" and a "colony"?
[05:54] <god-zero> chavo: I use dailys. ;) _I_ have a death wish.
[05:54] <crimsun> a colony is a milestone moniker
[05:54] <crimsun> preview is one very specific milestone
[05:55] <crimsun> just like RC is one very specific milestone
[05:55] <KiwiKibi_> RC==release candidate, no?
[05:55] <crimsun> yes
[05:55] <god-zero> yep
[05:55] <crimsun> the URL I pasted above should make that more clear
[05:55] <chavo> I updated when preview came out, but haven't since then
[05:56] <god-zero> chavo: you're missing all the fun!
[05:56] <chavo> just gonna wait till final comes out
[05:56] <crimsun> I update && upgrade every 30 minutes at :13 and :43
[05:56] <KiwiKibi_> *ehem* . . . one last last question: how come LinuxCD shop only charges $1.99 for the CDs?  Do they make it up by charging $69 for shipping?
[05:56] <chavo> sicko!
[05:56] <crimsun> the mirror pulse goes out at :03 and :33
[05:57] <crimsun> KiwiKibi_: no idea RE: LinuxCD, but Ship-It ships for free, no strings attached.
[05:58] <crimsun> as many CDs as you want (within reason) for as many supported arches for _free_.
[05:58] <KiwiKibi_> Ship-It does not ship Kubuntu
[05:58] <KiwiKibi_> at least they don't indicate they do
[05:58] <god-zero> KiwiKibi_: I never used them, they're simply a cd coping service. They don't develop anything. there cost is 10 cents for plastic, 5 cents for paper
[05:58] <crimsun> just order Ubuntu CDs and install ''kubuntu-desktop''
[05:59] <KiwiKibi_> LinuxCD seems to ship Kubuntu
[05:59] <chavo> KiwiKibi_, that's probably a good choice then
[06:00] <KiwiKibi_> reason i want to go that route is because Amarok don't seem to work on GNOME
[06:00] <claydoh> OR FIND A BUDDIE TO GRAB THE ISO AND BURN IT FOR YA, I HAVE DONE THAT A FEW TIMES OVER THE YEARS
[06:00] <claydoh> sorry
[06:00] <chavo> amarok should work fine ubder gnome
[06:00] <crimsun> amarok works fine under GNOME
[06:00] <chavo> but KDE rules anyway
[06:00] <god-zero> KiwiKibi_: so $2 a disc is realistic price.. think of all those free aol cds you get.. if it cost $69 to send a cd i don't think they'd do it
[06:01] <chavo> I've gotten CD's from cheapbytes.com before
[06:01] <chavo> when I was still on teh dialup
[06:01] <god-zero> chavo: is there a s&h charge?
[06:01] <claydoh> I mailed a vacation video dvd in the mail, it cist me about 1.25 or so iirc
[06:01] <KiwiKibi_> waelp . . . Mandriva is priced at $59, $69, $89 . . . so a $1.99 price made me wonder . . .
[06:01] <chavo> yes
[06:02] <crimsun> well, red hat charges thousands of US dollars per-seat for enterprise linux
[06:02] <chavo> yeah, Mandrake costs a little more at cheapbytes
[06:02] <god-zero> KiwiKibi_: mandriva + codecs + support = $89
[06:02] <claydoh> so I would wonder how much they'd charge
[06:02] <god-zero> mandriva cd = $0
[06:02] <chavo> but you can get full mandriva from them for less than $10
[06:03] <KiwiKibi_> the codecs can be downloaded too anyway, no?
[06:03] <chavo> that's with flash, java, codecs, etc.
[06:03] <god-zero> KiwiKibi_: do you understand that you can download the iso & burn it free and legaly?
[06:03] <chavo> KiwiKibi_, yeah you can download it all
[06:04] <KiwiKibi_> does Kubuntu come with java, flash, codecs?
[06:04] <chavo> KiwiKibi_, not on the disk
[06:04] <god-zero> KiwiKibi_: you have to download them
[06:04] <chavo> but they are easy to get
[06:04] <KiwiKibi_> hmm . . .
[06:04] <god-zero> freeware isn't included for ethical reasons
[06:05] <KiwiKibi_> how is java more freeware than GNU?
[06:06] <KiwiKibi_> how many CDs is Kubuntu then?
[06:06] <god-zero> gnu gives the user more rights eg: source.. redistribution etc. If you don't understand the difference between gnu + freeware you should studie it
[06:06] <chavo> 1 CD
[06:06] <god-zero> 1 cd for the base install
[06:06] <god-zero> there's also a torrent for the dvd
[06:06] <chavo> but there's 1000's of pacjakges available
[06:07] <KiwiKibi_> nothing else is shipped with Kubuntu?
[06:07] <chavo> woah, I misspell packages like that a lot
[06:08] <god-zero> KiwiKibi_: on a 1 cd install, it's a fairly complete desktop system with plenty of programs
[06:08] <KiwiKibi_> i want java
[06:08] <god-zero> chavo: my fingers like to spell some words wierd too
[06:09] <chavo> yeah, I also type -> waht a lot
[06:09] <cddesjar> i am trying to watch a dvd with kaffeine and i get this error "The source can't be read.
[06:09] <cddesjar> Maybe you don't have enough rights for this, or source doesn't contain data (e.g: no disc in drive). (Error reading from DVD.)"
[06:10] <cddesjar> any ideas?
[06:10] <god-zero> the funny part is that i misspell the same word wrongly, but consistently
[06:10] <KiwiKibi_> aight . . . thanks . . . gotta keep finding what i'm looking for
[06:11] <cddesjar> does anyone  have any idea why that is?
[06:11] <god-zero> KiwiKibi_: you have to download java just ike you do with windows
[06:11] <cddesjar> also how do i install java?
[06:19] <god-zero> cddesjar: sorry, i went out side
[06:20] <god-zero> !tell cddesjar about sunjava
[06:22] <god-zero> cddesjar: on the dvd thing, if you have all the proper packages for dvd playback, and it still doesn't work... insert dvd.. cancel out the notifications if any, open kaffiene select file | open dvd
[06:23] <cddesjar> i have libdvdread...i can't imagine what elese i need
[06:23] <god-zero> decss, etc
[06:24] <cddesjar> i don't know about decss
[06:24] <god-zero> try the instructions above, it reads the dvd via a different route
[06:24] <cddesjar> what ever came on the breezy cd by default
[06:24] <cddesjar> nope still wont' work
[06:24] <cddesjar> i'll look into decss
[06:27] <god-zero> libdvdcss2 libdvdnav4 libdvdread3 seem to be the minimum
[06:27] <god-zero> sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2 libdvdnav4 libdvdread3
[06:28] <cddesjar> i can't seem to install libdvdcss2, it doesn't seem to be in my repositories but the other programs are already installed
[06:29] <god-zero> breezy or hoary /warty?
[06:31] <god-zero> I'm on breezy. It's in main libs
[06:31] <cddesjar> breezy
[06:31] <cddesjar> in the main libs?
[06:31] <god-zero> yes
[06:31] <cddesjar> hmm...i have libdvdnav4, libdvdread3, but i can't find libdvdcss2
[06:33] <god-zero> search in synaptic for dvdcss
[06:34] <Hy_BoT> hi. Does  this -----"""https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats""----- means that I will not be able to play standard win-media in Kubuntu at all?
[06:35] <chavo> Hy_BoT, no, just the opposite
[06:35] <chavo> you just gotta know the right people ;)
[06:35] <cddesjar> i did a google search and found it
[06:35] <KiwiKibi_> Does Kubuntu require a primary partition to install the Boot Manager?
[06:36] <chavo> KiwiKibi_, well the boot manager should go in the mbr
[06:36] <chavo> unless you want to boot from a floppy
[06:36] <cddesjar> just one more question...i installed java but how do i get my java to be recognized my firefox?  i.e. how do i symlink to libjavaplugin_oji.so
[06:36] <cddesjar> or where is libjavaplugin_oji.so
[06:37] <KiwiKibi_> Suse explicitly declares it as a feature of Suse that it DOES NOT install the boot manager to the MBR.
[06:37] <cddesjar> god-zero: do you have backports for breezy in your repositories?  and if you do what do they look like?  i can't seem to get into the backports
[06:37] <god-zero> Hy_BoT: try to use ogg. It's better and totally free. Elsewise if you believe you have a right to use a codec/program (ie payed for it) there are codecs on the net
[06:38] <chavo> Well Suse is a wizard, hard to beat that
[06:38] <Hy_BoT> thnks a lot guys
[06:39] <god-zero> cddesjar: the are no backports for breezy because there's no dapper to pull from yet
[06:39] <cddesjar> ok that's why then
[06:40] <KiwiKibi_> Will WinXP in C:\ still boot if I install Kubuntu's boot manager?
[06:40] <Hy_BoT> hey. just forgot to aks. What about if I downloaded program in *tar or *gz native-linux formats. Is there easy way to install it in Kubuntu?????
[06:41] <cddesjar> nevermind
[06:41] <god-zero> KiwiKibi_: yes. that's called a dual boot.
[06:41] <chavo> KiwiKibi_, yes, it will add Windows to the boot menu
[06:41] <cddesjar> i got it figured out
[06:41] <cddesjar> thanks a lot god-zero!
[06:41] <chavo> that;s why it's called boot manager, it manages to boot stuff
[06:42] <Hy_BoT> so........
[06:42] <chavo> Hy_BoT, .........
[06:42] <Hy_BoT> sorry, just asked a question
[06:42] <god-zero> Hy_BoT: if it's source, you'll have to compile
[06:42] <KiwiKibi_> WinXP is such a pus, ya know . . . it shits ollover if it's not the 1st partition of the 1st drive of the 1st IDE and if it's not the 1st thing that boots.
[06:43] <chavo> if you find a package that's not in the repos, then yes
[06:43] <chavo> KiwiKibi_, that's just a lie
[06:43] <god-zero> KiwiKibi_: yep. that's why under a dual boot you haveto install windows first
[06:44] <chavo> well, you don't "have" too
[06:44] <chavo> not if you have half of a clue
[06:44] <Hy_BoT> 1 more  - Is there a particular folder for fonts in Kubuntu? If aI have archived fonts for linux and want them to be installed.......What should I do???
[06:44] <KiwiKibi_> god-zero: tell this chavo dude to stop calling me a liar
[06:44] <chavo> Hy_BoT, ~/.fonts
[06:44] <god-zero> xp _is_ better about it that win 95/8/me was
[06:45] <Hy_BoT> just put there and it will be automatically insatlled???
[06:45] <god-zero> it's still not smooth
[06:45] <Hy_BoT> fonts I mean
[06:45] <chavo> KiwiKibi_, you're just wrong. I have XP installed and it's not even on the first disk
[06:45] <chavo> Hy_BoT, yes
[06:45] <chavo> ttfs
[06:46] <Hy_BoT> thanks again. Was really helpful. Now I'm gonna switch to linux for sure)
[06:46] <KiwiKibi_> so, what's in Kubuntu: grub, or lilo, other?
[06:46] <god-zero> And if you got one of those "rescue" cd sets with your pc instead of a generic windows xp install disk, it _has_ to be 1/1/1
[06:47] <chavo> I have installed XP and Vista beta, after Linux. I still manage to boot into all of them.
[06:47] <chavo> I have slightly more than half of a clue
[06:47] <KiwiKibi_> what a whiner . . . worst than Bill Gates
[06:48] <chavo> lol, you're a Gtes hater!
[06:48] <god-zero> the 95 line had to be installed to c: (hda1), then copied to whatever partion, nt/xp can do it _if_ you have a real install disk, but most pcs don't have one
[06:49] <chavo> 95, that was 10 years ago man
[06:49] <god-zero> me wasn't
[06:49] <god-zero> but that, plus the so-called rescue disks is where windows gets that rep from
[06:49] <KiwiKibi_> chavo: he said: "nt/xp can do it _if_ you have a real install disk, but most pcs don't have one"  --can't you read, stupid?
[06:50] <chavo> KiwiKibi_, you have no idea what is going on here man
[06:50] <chavo> what pcs don't have a real install disk?
[06:51] <chavo> Pcs that are made this century?
[06:51] <god-zero> mine (all 5 of them)
[06:51] <KiwiKibi_> chavo: stfu! . . . you're just making your self look stupider and stupider
[06:51] <god-zero> not one pc that I own or a family member owns came with a real install disk in prolly 5+ years
[06:52] <chavo> KiwiKibi_, keep going man, you'll be out of you're closet nefore you know it
[06:53] <KiwiKibi_> chavo: read [dumbass]  --> "<god-zero>	not one pc that I own or a family member owns came with a real install disk in prolly 5+ years"
[06:53] <chavo> well, like I said, if you have half a clue, you make it happen
[06:53] <chavo> KiwiKibi_, you're an idiot
[06:53] <KiwiKibi_> chavo: no.  you're a moronG.
[06:53] <god-zero> lol, this got out of hand
[06:54] <chavo> lol, scroll up and read that crap about colony and preview man.
[06:54] <god-zero> hes a linux neewb, we all were once
[06:55] <god-zero> no biggie there
[06:55] <KiwiKibi_> beh
[06:56] <KiwiKibi_> so, what's in Kubuntu: grub, or lilo, other?
[06:57] <crimsun> GRUB if you choose the default install
[06:58] <crimsun> LILO is used for non-standard options, like lvm+/ on JFS
[07:00] <KiwiKibi_> 'k
[07:05] <god-zero> KiwiKibi_: have you used linux before/
[07:05] <god-zero> ?
[07:07] <god-zero> If not, may I suggest talking a friend who has broadband to download a live distro like knoppix or live kubuntu to play with / learn before you take the pluge into linux
[07:08] <god-zero> live disks are quite fun, pluss the help alot when things with windows or linux go wrong
[07:15] <_balu> :)
[07:24] <KiwiKibi_> god-zero: thanks for the suggestion
[07:25] <god-zero> np
[07:25] <KiwiKibi_> god-zero: how do i install HPFS file system in Kubuntu installation?
[07:25] <konfuzed> hey there, does kubuntu use the same installer and drive partitioner that ubuntu uses
[07:25] <crimsun> KiwiKibi_: sudo modprobe hpfs
[07:25] <crimsun> KiwiKibi_: then mount the partition
[07:26] <konfuzed> crimsun: during install?
[07:26] <KiwiKibi_> crimsun: 'k, thanks
[07:26] <crimsun> konfuzed: sure, why not?
[07:26] <crimsun> there's an extra console
[07:27] <god-zero> konfuzed: yes, there 90% the same, only kde-desktop is swaped for gnome-desktop
[07:27] <crimsun> you just have to do it after the partition udeb is extracted.
[07:27] <konfuzed> hmmmm   interesting
[07:27] <god-zero> KiwiKibi_: you can also do it (set up mounting) durring the install
[07:28] <konfuzed> so they also install the same boot loader too?
[07:28] <god-zero> konfuzed: yes
[07:28] <konfuzed> im just making sure
[07:28] <konfuzed> ive just enlisted another kubunter
[07:29] <konfuzed> my buddy sent him ahead with SUSE and he tried like 8 times to install
[07:29] <god-zero> KiwiKibi_: durring partioning phase, tell it to mount hda1: to /mnt/windows or whatever/whereever you want
[07:30] <konfuzed> thats a good map
[07:30] <konfuzed> makes it seem obvious to the user
[07:31] <konfuzed> now this guy is back on windoze
[07:32] <god-zero> think of the children for go'ds sake!
[07:32] <konfuzed> but hes gonna download kubuntu and have it going by morning
[07:33] <konfuzed> my shortest install is 36 keystrokes + user name and password entry
[07:34] <god-zero> 36? I've never counted. I timed it though, on my celeron 2.6, it takes 50 minutes from inserting the cd till booted into kde.
[07:35] <konfuzed> arrows and enters pretty much
[07:35] <konfuzed> mostly just enters
[07:35] <konfuzed> oh yeah 24 enters 12 arrows
[07:36] <god-zero> wow, broke down to enter and arrows... do this often?
[07:36] <konfuzed> no
[07:36] <konfuzed> just on and off for 20 years
[07:36] <KiwiKibi_> why should I get Kubuntu instead of Mandriva?
[07:37] <konfuzed> 36 keystrokes between inserting the disk and booting into kde and being on the internet
[07:37] <konfuzed> ok logging in is extra key strokes
[07:37] <konfuzed> ;^)
[07:38] <konfuzed> I new it would be really simple to install so I had to know how easy it really was.
[07:39] <konfuzed> will kubuntu auto recognize an epson usb printer??
[07:39] <god-zero> KiwiKibi_: I used to use mandriva. Girst, most of the stuff you have to pay for under mandriva are free, the packages are fresher, and the graphics aren't as kiddish. The one thing nicer about mandriva is the control center
[07:39] <god-zero> hrm, not sure Girst is a word..
[07:41] <konfuzed> is epson a word?
[07:42] <KiwiKibi_> is Mandriva derived from Red Hat/
[07:42] <KiwiKibi_> ?
[07:42] <god-zero> KiwiKibi_: yes, but there's talk about switching to debian
[07:42] <KiwiKibi_> i suppose that means Mandriva uses RPM?
[07:43] <god-zero> yes, but it has urpmi. Urpmi is like apt-get... it's not as "rpm hell"ish as ppl say
[07:44] <KiwiKibi_> 'k
[07:44] <god-zero> konfuzed: no idea.. maybe search ubuntuforums.org for you model
[07:46] <konfuzed> not mine some lady down the street that I gave the disk to
[07:48] <konfuzed> she wont complain about windows any more
[07:48] <konfuzed> ;^)
[07:53] <KiwiKibi_> are Vim, Gimp, OpenOffice, and Firefox included in the 1 CD Kubuntu?
[07:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes.
[07:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> er. firefox not sure
[07:54] <god-zero> letme check..
[07:55] <konfuzed> is dvd vod included?
[07:59] <god-zero> KiwiKibi_: looks like they're all there
[08:00] <god-zero> konfuzed: no
[08:00] <KiwiKibi_> god-zero: great.  many thanks
[08:01] <KiwiKibi_> and i'm not even gonna check for hardware drivers . . . a'ma just gonna close my eyes and install . . . lol  ;>
[08:01] <konfuzed> perhaps there is a debian install guide some where for enabling DVD playback
[08:02] <god-zero> konfuzed: it should all be in main
[08:02] <god-zero> !dvd
[08:02] <ubotu> DVD playing is possible in ubuntu, some dvd's require libdvdcss2, which can be found in !hoary-extras
[08:03] <konfuzed> god-zero: i thought you just said no
[08:03] <god-zero> not on the cd
[08:03] <KiwiKibi_> what does Linux use for the IDE channels driver?  IBM-S506?  Or did it roll its own?
[08:03] <konfuzed> so yes there is  a doc on how to easily make it happen
[08:03] <crimsun> KiwiKibi_: hmm?
[08:03] <crimsun> there's a change history in the Linux source. It has been rewritten several times from scratch.
[08:04] <KiwiKibi_> 'k
[08:05] <konfuzed> cause libdvdcss on suse was a PITA for sure
[08:05] <konfuzed> and still doesnt behave right
[08:05] <god-zero> crimsun: just search for dvd and vob in synaptic. I haven't had probs
[08:05] <crimsun> eh?
[08:05] <konfuzed> kewl
[08:06] <crimsun> I think that nick-complete went wayward.
[08:06] <god-zero> crimsun: that was for konfuzed
[08:06] <konfuzed> krazy
[08:07] <konfuzed> ;^)
[08:08] <konfuzed> i dont have kubuntu at my place yet but ive got 3 others on it ;^)
[08:08] <ubuntu> trying the kubuntu live cd of breezy...notice x-chat not with it
[08:08] <ubuntu> yuk...
[08:09] <TokenBad> thats better
[08:09] <konfuzed> TokenBad: are you volunteering to add it
[08:10] <TokenBad> no...just saying I noticed...thats all...looking at the one that is installed...
[08:10] <TokenBad> the yuk was about my nick
[08:11] <konfuzed> ahhh seemed   like you might be comparing k or no k
[08:11] <konfuzed> ubuntu   to   K   or not tu K
[08:11] <TokenBad> nah....just trying to see what was different in the new version of kubuntu is all
[08:11] <konfuzed> that is the question
[08:12] <TokenBad> one thing noticed was the live cd loads FAST!!
[08:12] <konfuzed> hmmmmm    ram image on the disc ??????
[08:13] <TokenBad> not sure...
[08:13] <TokenBad> but noticed when booted it loaded fast
[08:13] <TokenBad> I run kubuntu now...
[08:13] <god-zero> I'd be interested if they had a dvd version, I'm spoiled by knoppix live dvd
[08:13] <konfuzed> somebody here should ;^)  I hope
[08:13] <TokenBad> but it was basicly ubuntu with kubuntu desktop installed
[08:13] <TokenBad> and ran into problems with it
[08:13] <konfuzed> ubuntu   to   K   or not tu K
[08:13] <konfuzed> that is the question
[08:13] <TokenBad> so trying to decide if want to format and just run full install of kubuntu
[08:14] <konfuzed> hey why not dual boot kubuntu and ubuntu
[08:14] <konfuzed> they we can really compare
[08:15] <TokenBad> well see I like kde better than gnome
[08:15] <TokenBad> but the problem ran into was some problems with sound
[08:15] <TokenBad> and screensaver
[08:15] <TokenBad> and other small problems
[08:15] <konfuzed> is there some kinf of Kommon End User Rating system for GUIs ?????
[08:16] <TokenBad> and basicly think it was cause of me going from ubuntu and just installing the kubuntu desktop that ran into problems
[08:16] <TokenBad> think if I did full install I wouldn't have those problems
[08:19] <TokenBad> konfuzed: I think it is user pref
[08:19] <TokenBad> I have tried a few different versions
[08:19] <konfuzed> how does and end user know what to look for or how to compare
[08:19] <konfuzed> or what to compare
[08:19] <TokenBad> linspire, ubuntu, kubuntu, xandros, and others
[08:20] <TokenBad> just whatever you like
[08:20] <konfuzed> its not all just look
[08:20] <TokenBad> like ease of use
[08:20] <TokenBad> what program has things you like that others done
[08:20] <TokenBad> don't even
[08:20] <TokenBad> what can one do that others can't
[08:20] <TokenBad> that kind of thing
[08:20] <konfuzed> ease of use is one fo the most konfuzing IT terms ive ever come across
[08:21] <TokenBad> I tested a few live cd's
[08:21] <TokenBad> many different versions of nix OS has live cd's
[08:21] <konfuzed> how does one come up with a consistsent comparitive review?????
[08:21] <TokenBad> so can test before getting
[08:21] <konfuzed> just curious
[08:21] <TokenBad> its all their opinion
[08:21] <TokenBad> well if you ask me anyway
[08:22] <konfuzed> people mostly tend to go with opinion of the looks id say
[08:22] <konfuzed> unfortuntely they mostly refuse to read the words on the screen
[08:22] <konfuzed> ;^)
[08:23] <TokenBad> well me I tested like 5 or 6 different versions before I settled on one
[08:23] <konfuzed> do you have a list of top 3 criteria ?
[08:23] <KiwiKibi_> which CDs (maybe from a distro) should I get that have the package formats Kubuntu can unpack?
[08:23] <konfuzed> or does it turn out to be dozens
[08:24] <TokenBad> well what killed me for linspire and xandros was they wanted you to pay for what should be free
[08:24] <konfuzed> KiwiKibi_: after the install CD synaptic or kynaptic provides all other packages
[08:24] <TokenBad> basicly wanted you to pay a monthly or yearly fee to get stuff that should be free from their DB
[08:25] <konfuzed> TokenBad: was that the beer or speach ??
[08:25] <TokenBad> for example
[08:25] <KiwiKibi_> the Debian CDs won't do?
[08:25] <god-zero> ah, just get puppy linux and call it a day
[08:25] <TokenBad> with ubuntu or kubuntu...you have apt-get or snyaptic
[08:25] <TokenBad> but with linspire or Xandros
[08:25] <TokenBad> they wanted you to pay for that service
[08:26] <TokenBad> to get it from their database
[08:26] <TokenBad> so right off...I said to hell with that
[08:27] <konfuzed> oh i thought it was that ms code licenses were included for seamless compatibility
[08:27] <TokenBad> no you pay for their software
[08:27] <TokenBad> then you pay a monthly or yearly fee
[08:27] <TokenBad> to get software from their database that should be free
[08:27] <konfuzed> which part of the software is theirs ??
[08:27] <TokenBad> the OS
[08:28] <TokenBad> check them out
[08:28] <TokenBad> you will see what I am saying
[08:28] <konfuzed> I thought they were on a linux OS
[08:28] <TokenBad> they are
[08:28] <TokenBad> thats what I am saying
[08:28] <Sebastian> hi
[08:28] <Sebastian> i need help
[08:28] <konfuzed> so the software license fees are for included MS compatibility licenses like libdvdcss and other codecs
[08:29] <god-zero> they slap on a ton of nongpl stuff, like their installer
[08:29] <Sebastian> i burned the kubuntu live cd
[08:29] <KiwiKibi_> does the 1 CD Kubuntu come with a CD writer app?
[08:29] <Sebastian> and ran it
[08:29] <Sebastian> now, i clicked start
[08:29] <Sebastian> and the only thing it said was
[08:29] <god-zero> KiwiKibi_: yes, k3b
[08:29] <Sebastian> "boot this cd and try ubuntu linux"
[08:29] <Sebastian> or something like that
[08:29] <KiwiKibi_> koolness
[08:29] <Sebastian> anyway
[08:29] <Sebastian> how do i "boot" the cd
[08:29] <Sebastian> i am not good with computers
[08:29] <TokenBad> Sebastian: yes you have to boot your computer from the cd
[08:29] <konfuzed> Sebastian: take the cd out and try again
[08:30] <konfuzed> ;^)
[08:30] <TokenBad> so reboot your machine and boot from the cd
[08:30] <Sebastian> how do i boot from the cd?
[08:30] <TokenBad> in your bios you have to set your first boot device to cd
[08:30] <konfuzed> put cd in before power off
[08:30] <god-zero> Sebastian: put the disk in, cycle the power
[08:30] <Sebastian> slow please, i am not good with computers i bought the burner yesterday to be able to get kubuntu
[08:30] <Sebastian> ok
[08:30] <Sebastian> i rebooted with the cd in
[08:30] <TokenBad> Sebastian: you know how to go into your bios?
[08:30] <Sebastian> nothing happened
[08:30] <Sebastian> but ok
[08:30] <Sebastian> bios? nope
[08:31] <Sebastian> you give me the path though
[08:31] <TokenBad> ok...when you reboot your computer...and its says press del to enter bios
[08:31] <konfuzed> bios setup is usualy F2 or Del key during memory test and hard drive detect
[08:31] <KiwiKibi_> Sebastian: which CPU do you have?
[08:31] <TokenBad> press del
[08:31] <Sebastian> i have a net vista computer
[08:31] <TokenBad> or f2
[08:31] <TokenBad> forgot that
[08:31] <Sebastian> with an intel celron
[08:31] <Sebastian> do i reboot
[08:31] <Sebastian> and press f
[08:31] <Sebastian> 2
[08:31] <Sebastian> ?
[08:32] <Sebastian> so*
[08:32] <konfuzed> Sebastian: kewl I just installed a net vista 866 mhz 3 weeks ago
[08:32] <TokenBad> Sebastian: when you reboot and it does the memory test and detecting hard drives
[08:32] <KiwiKibi_> the F2 key
[08:32] <TokenBad> it will tell you you to press the key
[08:32] <TokenBad> either f2 or del
[08:32] <Sebastian> my ocmputer doesnt do that..
[08:32] <god-zero> It should say "press del to enter bios" or some such.. depends on manufacturer
[08:32] <Sebastian> it just goes black
[08:32] <Sebastian> and oyu can see a _
[08:32] <Sebastian> oh wait yes on the far right extreme
[08:32] <god-zero> in that case, press em all
[08:33] <Sebastian> you can see f1 or something
[08:33] <god-zero> bash bash bash
[08:33] <Sebastian> what do i do after that?
[08:33] <TokenBad> ok
[08:33] <TokenBad> once in bios
[08:33] <konfuzed> bash some more
[08:33] <god-zero> go to the boot menu, enable cd booting, save and exit
[08:33] <konfuzed> or try tcsh
[08:33] <Sebastian> ok
[08:33] <Sebastian> i will do that
[08:33] <Sebastian> i will be right back
[08:34] <konfuzed> give em 15 minutes
[08:34] <TokenBad> if he don't fuck his computer up...I will be suprised
[08:34] <KiwiKibi_> this is too painful to witness
[08:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> can someone do me a favour? can you visit http://adsl.internode.on.net/pricing/ ? does it display right? it doesnt on my pc :(
[08:35] <KiwiKibi_> if bios prompt don't come up, he prolly needs to jumper the mobo
[08:35] <konfuzed> dont worry his video is off
[08:35] <god-zero> lol, i was thinking the same thing.. either he'll be back saying he couldn't find it, or we'll never see him again
[08:36] <god-zero> Kamping_Kaiser: looks good in breezy kde 3.5 b1, konqueror
[08:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. thanks god-zero
[08:37] <TokenBad> I am thinking about burning kubuntu and installing but think will wait till the full version comes out with breezy
[08:37] <god-zero> two week isn't too long to wait
[08:37] <TokenBad> I know
[08:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> wb Sebastian
[08:38] <TokenBad> that was fast Sebastian
[08:38] <Sebastian> ok i pressed f1 f2 and del and nothing happened
[08:38] <god-zero> I win
[08:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[08:38] <Sebastian> so...to boot from the cd
[08:39] <konfuzed> not even 5 mins
[08:39] <Sebastian> i would press the keys but it would only make a horrible beeping noise
[08:39] <konfuzed> then it was just a fraction too soo
[08:39] <konfuzed> soon
[08:39] <Sebastian> approximately: n/ldoo
[08:40] <konfuzed> can you see the memory test?
[08:40] <konfuzed> i think those ibms use the del key
[08:40] <god-zero> well, there's always a way to get into the bios, usually a special key or combo (ctrl -alt - enter).. or a jumper.. it'll be in your manual.
[08:40] <Sebastian> ok, for "Bob's" sake, i'm a quaker, i don'tknow much about computers, i don't know what "memory test" means
[08:40] <god-zero> elsewise make a boot cd
[08:40] <god-zero> not cd, floppy
[08:40] <Sebastian> i MADE A BOOT CD
[08:40] <god-zero> sorry
[08:40] <Sebastian> hah
[08:40] <Sebastian> right
[08:40] <Sebastian> no way
[08:41] <konfuzed> well if you cant get your box to boot from cd you wont be abel to install any operating system in any langauge
[08:41] <Sebastian> any idea how long took me to be able to figure out how to install a cd burner which i bought just for the kubuntu thing
[08:41] <god-zero> memory test is that pause when the computer pauses at power up
[08:41] <TokenBad> Sebastian: memory test is where it runs through the numbers real fast and shows your hard drives
[08:41] <TokenBad> at that point
[08:41] <TokenBad> it should tell you what key to press
[08:42] <konfuzed> 8^)
[08:42] <TokenBad> you said something about f1 a min ago
[08:42] <Sebastian> itt wasnt that
[08:42] <Sebastian> it said 7F
[08:42] <TokenBad> oh
[08:42] <god-zero> common ones : f2, delete, ctrl-alt-enter
[08:42] <Sebastian> and otherwise it was _
[08:42] <Sebastian> just black and _
[08:42] <TokenBad> sounds like its not booting right
[08:42] <god-zero> it depends on your computer, they're all different
[08:42] <Sebastian> there's a way
[08:43] <konfuzed> sounds like windows not shuting down ;^)
[08:43] <Sebastian> an error proof mode or somthing
[08:43] <KiwiKibi_> Sebastian: was the machine booting BEFORE you installed the CD drive?
[08:43] <Sebastian> yes
[08:43] <god-zero> also, did you burn the .iso as a file, or an image?
[08:43] <Sebastian> i burned the iso
[08:43] <Sebastian> then extracted it to the computer
[08:43] <konfuzed> what software
[08:43] <Sebastian> then burnt it to a cd
[08:43] <Sebastian> lemme get e link
[08:43] <konfuzed> uhm burner software
[08:44] <TokenBad> Power on the system
[08:44] <TokenBad> Press F1 to enter the Configuration/Setup Utility.
[08:44] <TokenBad> thats what their site is saying
[08:44] <god-zero> put the disc in, look at the directory. is there just 1 file (kubuntu.iso) or a bunch of folders?
[08:44] <Sebastian> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/
[08:44] <konfuzed> ibm net vista site?
[08:44] <Sebastian> a bunch of folders
[08:44] <KiwiKibi_> Sebastian: if you do not insert a CD disk, does the machine boot with the previous operating system?
[08:44] <god-zero> Sebastian: good
[08:45] <Sebastian> the machine is loading windows ME
[08:45] <Sebastian> with and without the CD there
[08:45] <TokenBad> he needs to set the cd as the first boot device
[08:46] <konfuzed> TokenBad:
[08:46] <KiwiKibi_> Sebastian: ok.  You're gonna have to read the manual for the puter to find out how to get into the BIOS.
[08:46] <konfuzed> TokenBad: did you find an ibm page?
[08:46] <konfuzed> maybe paste it here
[08:46] <KiwiKibi_> Sebastian: and find out how to set the BIOS to boot from the CD drive.
[08:46] <Sebastian> kiwikibi:it'd be more practical to try out all the keys as i reboot
[08:47] <TokenBad> KiwiKibi_: I just told him
[08:47] <konfuzed> not really
[08:47] <Sebastian> yes
[08:47] <Sebastian> since i no longer have the manual
[08:47] <god-zero> or make a floppy
[08:47] <KiwiKibi_> Sebastian: nah.  That's like trying all English words to figure what a chinese sentence means.
[08:47] <TokenBad> http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-4Y686Z
[08:47] <TokenBad> thats from ibm site
[08:47] <TokenBad> says press F1
[08:47] <konfuzed> ibms web site has the above manual
[08:47] <konfuzed> ;^)
[08:48] <Sebastian> ok
[08:48] <KiwiKibi_> Vista is IBM?
[08:48] <Sebastian> i am going to do that
[08:48] <Sebastian> yes
[08:48] <konfuzed> yes
[08:48] <Sebastian> and wait
[08:48] <Sebastian> do i do this without the cd first?
[08:48] <TokenBad> just keep pressing it Sebastian
[08:48] <Sebastian> ^^?
[08:48] <TokenBad> don't matter
[08:48] <konfuzed> with the cd in
[08:48] <Sebastian> k
[08:48] <Sebastian> i'll brbr
[08:48] <TokenBad> you need to set it to boot first
[08:48] <TokenBad> so don't matter
[08:48] <konfuzed> hahahahahha
[08:48] <KiwiKibi_>  . . . must . . . sleep . . .
[08:49] <konfuzed> at least I think thats how I rememeber it
[08:49] <TokenBad> if someone is going to install a new os or fuck with their system like that
[08:49] <KiwiKibi_> l8rz
[08:49] <konfuzed> ;^)
[08:49] <TokenBad> they need to have someone that knows what they are doing do it
[08:49] <konfuzed> a good thing KiwiKibi_ has nt passed out yet
[08:49] <god-zero> TokenBad: if someone is gunna use a computer..............
[08:49] <konfuzed> oh
[08:50] <TokenBad> well brb..going to boot into my normal system
[08:54] <TokenBad> there...
[08:55] <konfuzed> the other guy I konvinced to install kubuntu is goig to back up his MBR first
[08:55] <Sebastian> ok
[08:55] <Sebastian> i did work
[08:55] <Sebastian> i nevertheless
[08:56] <Sebastian> forgot what i had to next
[08:56] <TokenBad> heheh
[08:56] <konfuzed> the other guy I konvinced to install kubuntu is goig to back up his MBR first
[08:56] <Sebastian> MBR
[08:56] <Sebastian> ?
[08:56] <god-zero> Sebastian: konfuzed is konfuzed
[08:57] <Sebastian> ok
[08:57] <Sebastian> what do i do next?
[08:57] <Sebastian> http://sebastianquaker.blogspot.com
[08:57] <god-zero> ok, you did get into the bios right?
[08:57] <Sebastian> aye
[08:58] <Sebastian> what do i do when i'm ther?
[08:58] <Sebastian> http://photos.wgyf.org/Sebastian
[08:58] <konfuzed> in the bios is a menu called BOOT
[08:59] <Sebastian> alright
[08:59] <konfuzed> this lets you set the order of devices the machine tries to boot from
[08:59] <god-zero> ok, you want to find the boot order. you either want to enable booting from the cd (if it's turned off) or move the cd higher on the list if it late on the boot list
[08:59] <Sebastian> ok
[08:59] <konfuzed> no need to chage any thing else in bios at all
[08:59] <god-zero> then save then exit
[08:59] <Sebastian> ok
[08:59] <god-zero> it'll reboot
[08:59] <Sebastian> i'll right back ken
[08:59] <konfuzed> no wait
[08:59] <konfuzed> ;^)
[09:00] <konfuzed> he shoulda backed up his MBR
[09:00] <konfuzed> hahaha
[09:00] <god-zero> backups are for wimps
[09:00] <konfuzed> some peoples kids
[09:00] <konfuzed> his ME will never be the same
[09:01] <konfuzed> hes just gonna format it anyway
[09:01] <konfuzed> ;^)
[09:01] <god-zero> lol
[09:01] <god-zero> bye bye ME
[09:01] <konfuzed> he wont even notice
[09:01] <konfuzed> he'll probably miss all the virus scans though
[09:02] <god-zero> virus scans.. oh the memories....
[09:02] <TokenBad> had to boot back into my normal system..missed my backgrounds
[09:16] <mornfall> god-zero: i still didn't get my answer why adept is ugly? :P
[09:18] <crtr> how to upgrade my X server to 4.3 ot greater ?
[09:18] <god-zero> mornfall: adept's to plain and boxy I think. adept updater's commit or ok button (whatever it was) is like 1/4 of the screen
[09:18] <crimsun> err...
[09:18] <crimsun> crtr: are you running Warty or Hoary?
[09:19] <crtr> Hoary
[09:19] <god-zero> mornfall:  hard to say
[09:20] <crimsun> crtr: Hoary uses X.Org, which is newer than XFree86 4.3
[09:23] <god-zero> mornfall: the drop down expantion info is ok, but i like the way synaptic is with "show package properties" = "on".
[09:24] <god-zero> lol, not to say I could do better
[09:24] <mornfall> god-zero: you may like it, but it's pretty damn cluttered -- i left that approach long ago
[09:25] <crtr> When it says i have to upgrade X server , should I download X11R6.8 ?
[09:25] <mornfall> god-zero: we will see when i add more info how to solve that
[09:25] <god-zero> maybe tool-tip the description, that may work
[09:26] <god-zero> I like the summery info. some package names are hard to grep, so the description has to be easy to get (like the drop downs)
[09:26] <mornfall> i removed tooltips too, because they were more of a headache than use
[09:26] <god-zero> mm
[09:27] <god-zero> s/grep/grok
[09:27] <mornfall> short description is always around, anyway
[09:27] <mornfall> long one is one click away
[09:28] <god-zero> lemme pull it up...
[09:29] <mornfall> Riddell: hey, what's up with the RC? any news on that?
[09:30] <crimsun> crtr: what's making you upgrade?
[09:31] <crtr> Your X server doesn?t support resizing and rotating the display.
[09:32] <mornfall> crtr: driver issue, probably
[09:32] <crimsun> crtr: which driver are you using?
[09:34] <crtr> Ati drivers , i think they?re okey
[09:34] <mornfall> driver needs to support xrandr for this to work
[09:35] <mornfall> (mine does, mga)
[09:35] <mornfall> (it did even with xfree 4.2 or something ancient like that)
[09:35] <god-zero> mornfall: the filters with the combo-boxes... confusing, plus I acidently clicked it away and it's *gone* now. oh-easy tag filter. It's a bit confusing;; but there's a rc out there?
[09:36] <crimsun> crtr: I'm pretty sure the ATI drivers do.
[09:36] <god-zero> mornfall: is there a url to the .deb?
[09:37] <crtr> where to read about the drivers , and how to install them on kubuntu .. ?
[09:37] <crimsun> crtr: grep ^\(II\) /var/log/Xorg.0.log |grep -i driver
[09:37] <crtr> (II) fglrx(0): driver needs XFree86 version: 4.3.x
[09:37] <crtr> how to see my current version ?
[09:37] <god-zero> crimsun:  that's that damn perl isn't it!
[09:38] <crimsun> god-zero: nope, just standard regexp
[09:38] <crimsun> poorly optimised regexp I might add
[09:38] <crimsun> crtr: did you follow the instructions on wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto ?
[09:39] <god-zero> ^\(ll\) is regular expression?
[09:39] <TokenBad> wonder why sound from video clips is so jumpy
[09:39] <crtr> crimsun, yes
[09:39] <crimsun> crtr: hmm, paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log onto paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[09:39] <crimsun> god-zero: yes (and they're capitalised Is)
[09:40] <TokenBad> if its mp3 it plays fine
[09:40] <TokenBad> but if its like video clips it jumps and skips
[09:40] <crimsun> TokenBad: is DMA enabled on the source device?
[09:41] <TokenBad> umm good question
[09:41] <TokenBad> it was playing fine when had just ubuntu
[09:41] <god-zero> TokenBad: some audio pipes/cards don't like eachother much, causing those resyncs. Try a differnt audio output route
[09:41] <TokenBad> then when installed the kubuntu desktop
[09:41] <TokenBad> it started jumping and skipping
[09:42] <TokenBad> but like said..only in video clips
[09:42] <crtr> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2708
[09:42] <TokenBad> playing mp3 now..and its fine
[09:42] <god-zero> regular mp3s don't have to resync
[09:43] <TokenBad> what do you mean try diffrent output route then
[09:43] <mornfall> god-zero: no, it's waiting for Riddell
[09:43] <god-zero> gstreanme/arts/alsa pick a combo that works with your hardware
[09:44] <crimsun> crtr: no, I need the entire /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[09:44] <TokenBad> how do I pick though
[09:45] <god-zero> my crappy intergrated audio can be quite fussy causing all sorts of those problems
[09:45] <god-zero> what player?
[09:45] <TokenBad> its all players
[09:45] <TokenBad> I have tried mplayer
[09:45] <TokenBad> totem
[09:47] <TokenBad> also noatun
[09:47] <god-zero> I can't startup totem "totem can not starup: no reason" arg!!!
[09:47] <god-zero> there should be a settings menu, audio
[09:49] <crtr> crimsun, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2709
[09:49] <god-zero> look for terms like gstreamer or arts or xine
[09:49] <god-zero> noatun no workie for me
[09:50] <god-zero> I'm on breezy with kde 3.5 beta 1 so I get all the fun
[09:52] <god-zero> I know under kaffiene I can't use gstreamer, well, I pretty much can't use gstreamer at all
[09:56] <TokenBad> god-zero, that fixed it thanks
[09:59] <crimsun> crtr: it supports xrandr
[09:59] <crimsun> crtr: look at line 1005
[10:01] <crtr> so i only need to upgrade ?
[10:05] <lizdeika> how do gtk apps look in kubuntu by default ? is there qt-gtk(or smth like that) installed by default to make qt and gtk apps widgets look the same ?
[10:09] <mornfall> lizdeika: gtk-qt-engine doesn't solve the "interesting" cases -- it's just a widget style
[10:09] <god-zero> lizdeika: sudo apt-get install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt, then system settings, then appearence, then gtk styles and fonts, use kde style
[10:11] <god-zero> oh, then resart x (ctrl-alt-backspace)
[10:13] <lizdeika> any ISOs with 3.5beta1 ? :)
[10:13] <god-zero> no
[10:14] <god-zero> gotta add it to sources.list
[10:15] <fatejudger> qt engine is crap
[10:15] <fatejudger> most of the buttons don't even look right
[10:17] <lizdeika> well maybe not that bad like qt apps look in ubuntu...
[10:24] <fatejudger> !ftp
[10:24] <ubotu> No idea, fatejudger
[10:24] <fatejudger> !ftp client
[10:24] <ubotu> No idea, fatejudger
[10:24] <fatejudger> well thanks a lot...
[10:25] <fatejudger> does anyone have a favorite FTP client other than Kbear?
[10:25] <fatejudger> Kbear keeps crashing or not tiling windows right
[10:33] <konsolebox> excuse me.. do u know this error (Xorg logfile): (EE) RADEON(0): [agp]  AGP failed to initialize. Disabling the DRI.
[10:34] <inc|freaky> any1 using a remote control for his/her pc ... im just trying to acomplish it ^^
[10:35] <spiral> hi
[10:50] <fatejudger> how can I extract rar files?
[10:50] <fatejudger> what package can I get that will do this?
[10:51] <Tm_T> unrar?
[10:51] <konsolebox> unrar-free?
[10:53] <fatejudger> thanks
[10:53] <konsolebox> is there an alternate to intel-agp? the module crashes with my mb and no other *-agp modules are compatible.. i already searched for some forums and found the same problems.. intel-agp is generic right? is there any other generic module?
[10:54] <fatejudger> wow, unrar isn't doing a very good job
[10:54] <fatejudger> it keeps "failing"
[10:58] <fatejudger> is there another program to extract rar files?
[10:58] <konsolebox> fatejudger: maybe u can check this site: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/unrar
[10:59] <Nakkel> or use unrar-nonfree package
[11:00] <crtr> how to check if my sound cars is not working ?
[11:02] <crtr> how to check if my sound card is not working ?
[11:02] <fatejudger> konsolebox: it says my version of libc6 isn't new enough
[11:03] <DocTomoe> crtr: If there is no sound, your soundcard does not work. easy, is it? ;)
[11:04] <crtr> hehe
[11:04] <crtr> and if the speaker system is not working , and the card is working
[11:04] <DocTomoe> then you should consider plugging some headphones to the card for testing.
[11:04] <god-zero> crtr: what kind of computer do you have? I want make sure to stear clear of em.
[11:05] <DocTomoe> the probability that both your speakers and your headphones are defective is smaller than just your boxes not working.
[11:05] <inc|freaky> im currently installing a mouse cursor theme, whats the difference between a hand and a wand?
[11:05] <inc|freaky> i mean, whats "wand" at all?
[11:05] <inc|freaky> (sry 4 my bad english)
[11:06] <crtr> yesterday there was sound .. when i stopped the movie and i opened another movie there wasn?t any sound ..
[11:06] <DocTomoe> might as well be a problem with the other movies audio channel
[11:06] <crtr> no ..
[11:08] <god-zero> crtr: ...still no sound? did you look for the player in ps? Have you restared x?
[11:08] <inc|freaky> has any1 got the same problem that mozilla firefox wont start anymore?
[11:08] <fatejudger> how the hell do you people extract rar archives?
[11:08] <fatejudger> the version in the repository is old as hell
[11:08] <god-zero> unrar
[11:09] <fatejudger> well it doesn't work
[11:09] <inc|freaky> fatejudger: unrar x
[11:09] <fatejudger> it keeps failing
[11:09] <inc|freaky> fatejudger: read the message
[11:09] <inc|freaky> fatejudger: and man unrar
[11:09] <inc|freaky> will help you ;D
[11:09] <crtr> fatejudger, i?v got the same problem
[11:09] <DocTomoe> inc|freaky: try rm -rf ~/.mozilla*
[11:09] <god-zero> what error?
[11:09] <fatejudger> inc|freaky: how is that going to help me?
[11:10] <DocTomoe> fatejudger: there is unrar source on rarlabs homepage.
[11:10] <fatejudger> I know, but I can't compile it
[11:10] <fatejudger> there isn't a configure file
[11:10] <DocTomoe> you could download it and compile from source. as it is not "open", it will probably not be included in ubuntu
[11:10] <DocTomoe> fatejudger: you do not need one. just "make"
[11:10] <inc|freaky> DocTomoe: will that delete my bookmarks?
[11:10] <DocTomoe> inc|freaky: Probably yes.
[11:10] <inc|freaky> grr
[11:11] <DocTomoe> Who the hell needs bookmarks, anyway? You could finde them in that directory and try to backup them
[11:11] <fatejudger> DocTomoe: "make" doesn't work either
[11:12] <inc|freaky> DocTomoe: it didnt help firefox is still not starting ill try running it at a consolel looking for the error ;D
[11:12] <DocTomoe> inc|freaky ... that should be the *first* thing to do if something seems broken.
[11:13] <inc|freaky> yea it just does nothing
[11:13] <god-zero> you could mv out the bookmarks.html then rm, then mv them back
[11:13] <inc|freaky> i enter the cmd the cursor jumps into the next line no errors no output at all just freezed
[11:13] <DocTomoe> fatejudger: you have build-essential installed, have you?
[11:13] <inc|freaky> (the console output)
[11:13] <fatejudger> DocTomoe: yes, I compile stuff all of the time
[11:14] <DocTomoe> inc|freaky: How about sudo apt-get install --reinstall mozilla-firefox ?
[11:14] <fatejudger> DocTomoe: it just says that there isn't a makefile
[11:14] <fatejudger> DocTomoe: which there isn't
[11:14] <fatejudger> there's only makefile.unix
[11:14] <fatejudger> makefile.bcc
[11:14] <fatejudger> it doesn't make any sense
[11:14] <DocTomoe> there should be a readme
[11:14] <inc|freaky> DocTomoe: also doesnt work
[11:14] <god-zero> inc|freaky: killall firefox
[11:15] <DocTomoe> I think there was a step like renaming one of those makefiles. probably makefile.unix -> Makefile or something.
[11:15] <fatejudger> DocTomoe: yeah
[11:15] <fatejudger> DocTomoe: I tried that
[11:15] <fatejudger> DocTomoe: it's compiling
[11:15] <god-zero> firefox had a zombie like bug, the first instance wouldn't close, subsequent launches would hang
[11:15] <DocTomoe> fatejudger: there will not be a make install in this source ... you'll have to move the unrar executable to a directory of your choosing.
[11:16] <inc|freaky> god-zero: also doesnt work :(
[11:16] <fatejudger> DocTomoe: I can't find that either
[11:16] <DocTomoe> fatejudger: did you compile?
[11:16] <fatejudger> DocTomoe: nm, Konq needed a refresh
[11:16] <DocTomoe> I have a unrar executable in the source directory after compiling
[11:17] <fatejudger> DocTomoe: well this does me no good
[11:18] <fatejudger> DocTomoe: it's just some dumb executable
[11:18] <fatejudger> I'm going to have to run it every time
[11:18] <fatejudger> by ./ing it
[11:18] <konsolebox> fatejudger: the i386 package in http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/unrar works for me.. did u get i386?
[11:18] <DocTomoe> fatejudger: move that "dumb" executable to somewhere where the system will look for it. /usr/local/bin or something
[11:19] <fatejudger> konsolebox: it says I need a newer version of libc6
[11:19] <konsolebox> fatejudger: ok
[11:19] <god-zero> what am I doing wrong: "killall firefox"?
[11:19] <DocTomoe> fatejudger: what do you mean with "i have to run it every time"?
[11:20] <god-zero> inc|freaky: there's something about killall I forgot it seems, open ksysgaurd, kill all the firefoxs and firefox.bins
[11:21] <inc|freaky> god-zero: there were only firefox-bins running
[11:21] <inc|freaky> god-zero: ps aux | grep mozilla or grap firefox doesnt show anything
[11:21] <inc|freaky> i try to start
[11:21] <inc|freaky> it hangs
[11:21] <inc|freaky> no error showing
[11:21] <inc|freaky> just doing nothing
[11:21] <god-zero> still, ok I see
[11:22] <fatejudger> DocTomoe: ok, it works now and it's integrated into Konq
[11:22] <fatejudger> DocTomoe: thanks
[11:22] <DocTomoe> np
[11:23] <DocTomoe> Hm, I have a problem with sound in vlc - KDE sound works fine. any ideas?
[11:25] <crimsun> install vlc-plugin-arts
[11:25] <crimsun> (it's in universe)
[11:34] <inc|freaky> :( seems like no1 can help me before i restarted X it worked
[11:34] <god-zero> hrm that's odd, I can "killall konsole", but I can't "killall firefox" or "killall firefox.bin", is that because it's java or something?
[11:34] <inc|freaky> god-zero: what do you mean "you cant"? doesnt the program exit?
[11:35] <Tranquitos_> god-zero: it's firefox-bin
[11:35] <inc|freaky> ps aux | grep firefox
[11:36] <god-zero> maybe I should switch to a bigger font ;)
[11:37] <konsolebox> god-zero: hav u tried killall -s 9 firefox-bin?
[11:37] <god-zero> It works, the - looked like a . to me in that font
[11:37] <konsolebox> ^^
[11:39] <god-zero> it's always the stupid little things that mess you up
[11:40] <inc|freaky> i just noticed, thunderbird doesnt start, too :(( what is happening
[11:43] <god-zero> inc|freaky: any error?
[11:43] <inc|freaky> god-zero: no, nothing at all. cursor just hanging in the next line
[11:44] <inc|freaky> thunderbird at least showing selected locale: de-DE
[11:44] <inc|freaky> but then hanging like firefox
[11:44] <inc|freaky> no window opens nothign happens
[11:44] <god-zero> type "please"
[11:44] <god-zero> ;)
[11:44] <inc|freaky> sudo mozilla-thunderbird shows me the first configuration dialouge
[11:45] <god-zero> mm
[11:45] <Tranquitos_> inc|freaky: have you tried removing your configuration files?
[11:45] <inc|freaky> yey
[11:45] <inc|freaky> yes
[11:45] <god-zero> sudo gui is bad idea
[11:45] <inc|freaky> god-zero: just testing
[11:46] <god-zero> well, I meen if you did that before the prob, that maybe why... kdesu gui
[11:46] <god-zero> instaed
[11:46] <god-zero> instead
[11:46] <inc|freaky> no didnt du it
[11:47] <god-zero> k...
[11:47] <IceDC571> whats the name of that dialog that lets you configure KDE's settings like choosing a Microsoft, Mac, UNIX behaviour
[11:47] <god-zero> single click vs double click?
[11:48] <IceDC571> yep
[11:49] <TokenBad> I think do it through control center
[11:51] <TokenBad> appearence and themes
[11:51] <TokenBad> then style
[11:51] <orace|> IceDC571, you could also run kpersonalizer
[11:52] <IceDC571> orace|, thats it! thanks :)
[11:52] <god-zero> I forgot about that app
[12:06] <guillaume> hi
[12:09] <god-zero> hi
[12:11] <mr_owen> hi
[12:11] <mr_owen> i have a little problem with my pcmcia wifi card
[12:11] <mr_owen> every time i reboot it isn't there anymore
[12:12] <mr_owen> anyone ?
[12:12] <DocTomoe> mr_owen: You might want to put the coonfiguration commands into /etc/init/networking.
[12:12] <mr_owen> ?
[12:12] <mr_owen> how can i do thaht ?
[12:12] <mr_owen> and what are those commands ?
[12:13] <DocTomoe> what commands do you use to initiate your wifi card?
[12:13] <mr_owen> well
[12:13] <mr_owen> if i reboot
[12:13] <mr_owen> it isn't there anymore in the list at settings
[12:13] <mr_owen> so then i go to console
[12:13] <mr_owen> i do ndiswrapper -hotplug
[12:13] <mr_owen> en then ndiswrapper modprobe
[12:14] <mr_owen> en then it is turned on
[12:14] <mr_owen> but then i can't go into administrator mode to enable it
[12:14] <mr_owen> that's a fault in the kde i think
[12:15] <DocTomoe> negative, this is not KDE. You might want to put the ndiswrapper-Commands in startup. Usually, the modprobe should do this automatically. strange
[12:15] <mr_owen> yeah i know
[12:15] <mr_owen> but i can't get into administrator mode
[12:15] <TokenBad> can anyone tell me why my screen saver don't start on bootup
[12:15] <mr_owen> it asks my pass
[12:15] <TokenBad> I actually have to go to screensaver
[12:15] <mr_owen> i put it in, and then it just doesn't go into admin mode
[12:15] <TokenBad> then it tells me its not started and ask me to start it
[12:15] <DocTomoe> mr_owen ... what version are you running?
[12:16] <mr_owen> breezy
[12:16] <mr_owen> in hoary the card didn't work
[12:16] <mr_owen> so i had to update
[12:16] <DocTomoe> have you unlocked admin mode and use your root password for this?
[12:16] <mr_owen> well
[12:17] <mr_owen> there is the button administrator mode at the bottom
[12:17] <mr_owen> if i do that is asks my root pasword
[12:17] <mr_owen> and sometimes it works
[12:17] <DocTomoe> no.
[12:17] <DocTomoe> it asks your user apssword.
[12:17] <mr_owen> that's the same
[12:17] <DocTomoe> this is adapted to ubuntus user-password-sudo-philosophy
[12:18] <mr_owen> i ony have one pasword, the user pasword
[12:18] <mr_owen> and that works with sudo also
[12:18] <mr_owen> and sometimes it worked for admin mode aswell
[12:18] <DocTomoe> sudo always works with user password.
[12:19] <mr_owen> then pls tell me how i can get into admin mode
[12:19] <DocTomoe> try kdesu kcontrol
[12:19] <DocTomoe> this might take a while to load
[12:20] <mr_owen> yeah
[12:20] <DocTomoe> welcome to admin mode ;)
[12:21] <mr_owen> that worked
[12:21] <mr_owen> should i go out of this mode when i'm finished or does he do that automatically ?
[12:23] <DocTomoe> simply chose kcontrol
[12:23] <DocTomoe> close
[12:24] <mr_owen> and can you help me now with putting those commands in so my card will work automatically ?
[12:24] <TokenBad> can anyone tell me why my screen saver don't start on bootup
[12:24] <TokenBad> I actually have to go to screensaver
[12:25] <TokenBad> then it tells me its not started and ask me to start it
[12:26] <DocTomoe> mr_owen: Why do you not change your /etc/init.d/networking configuration with sudo vi /etc/init.d/networking and adding your ndiswrapper commands where they seem to make sense? ;)
[12:29] <mornfall> Riddell: where are you hiding? :'(
[12:32] <mr_owen> hm
[12:32] <mr_owen> doctomoe still here ?
[12:32] <DocTomoe> jupp
[12:32] <mr_owen> well
[12:32] <mr_owen> i enabled the wifi card
[12:33] <mr_owen> it worked, it got the ip
[12:33] <mr_owen> but when i than unplugged my lan cable, i didn't have internet
[12:33] <mr_owen> strange
[12:33] <mr_owen> so i rebooted, and the card is gone again
[12:33] <DocTomoe> that is a routing problem. try changing your standard route over the wifi card.
[12:34] <mr_owen> mm
[12:34] <inc|freaky> does any1 know how i can have kopete stop these messages popping up from the taskbar when someone comes online?
[12:34] <mr_owen> can you pls help me to get the card started every time i log in ?
[12:36] <DocTomoe> mr_owen: I do not know your card. I do not know your system configuration. I even do not know your wifi hotspot configuration. What I know is that if you want your card running, you have to initiate it in the init.d files.
[12:36] <mr_owen> hm
[12:36] <DocTomoe> maybe #ndiswrapper will be of more help ;)
[12:37] <GeneralZod> inc|freaky: Settings->Configure Notifications
[12:38] <GeneralZod> inc|freaky:Particularly, "A user has come online"
[12:39] <TokenBad> can anyone tell me why my screen saver don't start on bootup
[12:39] <inc|freaky> thankyou :D
[12:39] <TokenBad> I actually have to go to screensaver
[12:39] <TokenBad> then it tells me its not started and ask me to start it
[12:40] <GeneralZod> inc|freaky: You're welcome :)
[01:02] <max_ct_IT> qualcuno da italia?
[01:02] <nalioth> !ita
[01:02] <ubotu> italiano es #ubuntu-it per favore, andiamo! Grazi ... prego! :-)
[01:07] <max_ct_IT> thanks
[01:28] <mr_owen> hi
[01:28] <mr_owen> i have a question
[01:28] <mr_owen> i made an extra fat32 partition
[01:28] <mr_owen> so i could put things there that i can use in linux and windows
[01:28] <mr_owen> but i can't write on it
[01:28] <mr_owen> how can i change this ,
[01:28] <mr_owen> well, i can't write to it from KDE, but i can form console
[01:28] <nalioth> ubotu: tell mr_owen about windowsdrives
[01:29] <mr_owen> ?
[01:30] <nalioth> mr_owen: ubotu has messaged you. read it
[01:31] <mr_owen> did so
[01:31] <mr_owen> still doesn't work
[01:31] <hmmm> mr_owen: maybe u need to edit the /etc/mtab so that normal users can also write on ur fat32 partition
[01:31] <nalioth> mr_owen: did you read and execute the script?
[01:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> mtab?
[01:32] <mr_owen> yes
[01:32] <mr_owen> i did sudo bach winmac_fstab
[01:32] <mr_owen> and then it asked if i wanted to do that for al users so i said yes
[01:32] <mr_owen> but if i go to /windows in conquerer
[01:32] <mr_owen> i still can't make a new map
[01:32] <sege> ubuntu-repository for kubuntu or does kubuntu have there own repository now?
[01:32] <buz> the same repo
[01:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> shared
[01:32] <sege> for breezy?
[01:33] <nalioth> sudo what?
[01:33] <konsolebox> mr_owen: maybe u need to remount?? maybe
[01:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> same sege
[01:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> exept 3.5 beta
[01:33] <sege> Kamping_Kaiser: thanks.
[01:33] <mr_owen> with mnt /windows /windows ?
[01:35] <nalioth> mr_owen: you ran sudo WHAT winmac_fstab?
[01:36] <mr_owen> bash
[01:36] <mr_owen> like it said
[01:38] <mr_owen> :s
[01:39] <nalioth> mr_owen: look in /media
[01:47] <konsolebox> mr_owen: do u mean in console.. u'r logged as root?
[01:50] <mr_owen> yes
[01:51] <mr_owen> in media
[01:51] <mr_owen> the extra partition isn't there
[01:51] <mr_owen> but maybe i made an error
[01:51] <mr_owen> when i partitioned, i made that partition /windows
[01:51] <mr_owen> so now i have a map /windows
[01:51] <konsolebox> try reading this: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2000/03/msg01117.html, u can have an idea
[01:52] <mr_owen> which should be a partition of 20 Gb to use with windows and linux
[01:52] <mr_owen> so i think i should just repartition this one
[01:52] <mr_owen> :)
[01:53] <mr_owen> is there a partition manager program in kubuntu ?
[01:53] <nalioth> mr_owen: qt- or g- parted
[01:54] <mr_owen> look
[01:54] <mr_owen> when i look in kdiskfree
[01:54] <mr_owen> it is this one:
[01:54] <mr_owen>  /dev/hda4
[01:55] <mr_owen> vfat
[01:55] <mr_owen> mountpoint /windows
[01:57] <mr_owen> i just don't understand why i can't write on it
[01:58] <bazan> Hi, do are you able to login your msn account via kopete
[01:58] <bazan> the server seems down?
[01:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes, the servers are down
[01:59] <nikkia> bazan, its odd
[01:59] <bazan> ok, thx
[01:59] <mr_owen> i'm online :s
[01:59] <mr_owen> oh no i'm not
[01:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> most ppl i know are off
[01:59] <mr_owen> :)
[01:59] <GeneralZod> I get: "The server is not available at the moment. Please try again later."
[01:59] <nikkia> bazan, i have 2 accounts, one is on, the other is getting the message about tehe server not being available
[01:59] <nikkia> oh, tell a lie
[01:59] <nikkia> as i wrote that, my main account dropped offline again
[02:00] <nikkia> i fear they might have changed the protocol again :/ its that time of year :/
[02:04] <nalioth> nikkia: keepin ya on your toes
[02:04] <nikkia> nalioth: other than the advertisement issue, i don't see why IM vendors need to keep locking out the 3rd parties
[02:04] <nikkia> but even there, more 3rd parties == more market share == more clueless users using 1st party == more advertisement views
[02:07] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: a lot of people MAY use jabber, now google has a jabber service :)
[02:07] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: that said, all my gmail-using friends/colleagues still use MSN instead
[02:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;) yes, heres hoping
[02:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> problem with the google thing is its not seen as jabber, so ppl are using it, but idont realy know
[02:08] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: yeah, and google don't appear to have any gateways to other jabber servers :/
[02:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> :( but tehy were going to fix that werent they?
[02:15] <jsubl2> in digikam version 7.2 where is the print wizard dialog to print say 4 images to page
[02:17] <nikkia> yep, protocol change, gits!
[02:17] <nikkia> 'your password is incorrect'
[02:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh. well picked
[02:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> :/
[02:20] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: if i could convince my coworkers to use it...
[02:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh :/
[02:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> if i could convice *anyone* to use it
[02:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> that would be one less person i loose contact with every few months...
[02:21] <nikkia> aye, i could do without being out-of-contact this week
[02:21] <nikkia> but not 'i could do' enough to run windows for a week :P
[02:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[02:34] <seaLne> don't suppose anyone has a matrox dual head card?
[02:34] <buz> has anyone with a ati r200 tried Exa already?
[02:37] <buz> and found transparency usably fast with it?
[02:40] <god-zero> buz: I got a 9200se (280?) transparency and the like have been elusive.
[02:40] <buz> but have you tried exa?
[02:41] <buz> it seems to work faster than before but still not really useable
[02:41] <god-zero> tried, couldn't seem to get it to work
[02:41] <buz> how can i know it does work?
[02:41] <buz> composite for one seems to work
[02:41] <buz> (else transparency wouldnt work afaik)
[02:42] <god-zero> composite works, but slow.. mucks up stuff
[02:42] <buz> then maybe exa didnt get loaded
[02:42] <god-zero> my inergrated i845 did better
[02:44] <god-zero> I tried and tried, but I couldn't get results like I expected. But 3d is fine.  I'd like to have /home in a seperate partition so if I need to trash the root parition in future, it's easy to keep all my data / settings..
[03:19] <gdh> Myown install was so long ago now I can't remember if there's the option for this or not
[03:19] <linke> I have installed apache from apt-get, and I can acess it from the same computer, but not from another one on the network. why?
[03:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> gdh yes you can
[03:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> linke: its probably only set to listen on localhost or <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:20] <gdh> Kamping_Kaiser: Cool, is it part of the 'normal' install or do I need to enable an 'expert' mode ?
[03:20] <linke> where do I set it not to
[03:20] <linke> ?
[03:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> gdh: rather then let it auto partition, do a manual partition
[03:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> otherwise its the same installer
[03:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> linke: using apache or apache2?
[03:20] <linke> apache2
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser>  /etc/apache2/apache2.conf iirc
[03:21] <linke> okay
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> i dont have it installed on this box, so i cant look up the exact setting, sorry
[03:21] <linke> I'll try
[03:23] <linke> Kamping, I found something in that file that said something about .htacess, is that it?
[03:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, it should be in that file
[03:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> try searching for "localhost" or "<IP_ADDRESS>" and see if tehres a 'listen' option
[03:23] <linke> I didn't find anything.. you want me to send you the file?
[03:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> pastebin it
[03:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> pls
[03:24] <linke> pastebin?
[03:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> www.pastebin.com
[03:24] <linke> okay
[03:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> its for puting lots of text into
[03:25] <linke> http://pastebin.com/380475
[03:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> linke: it looks fine, are you sure the problem is on the server?
[03:28] <linke> I think so at least, I'll try putting some random files in the public_html-directory
[03:28] <gdh> linke: can you try from the other machine 'telnet IP.ADDRESS.OF.SERVER 80' then type GET / and press Enter twice?
[03:28] <seaLne> try netstat -a|grep www to see what apache is listening on
[03:28] <linke> the other computer is a windows machine, sorry
[03:28] <gdh> linke: telnet is on Windows, too..
[03:29] <gdh> You won't be able to see yourself typing 'GET /' with windows telnet, tho
[03:29] <linke> telnet is okay
[03:29] <linke> hold on then
[03:29] <gdh> If you get a whole load of text back..
[03:29] <gdh> heh :) then apache is working fine...
[03:30] <linke> okay
[03:30] <gdh> are you just using a windows web browser and going to http://IP.ADDRESS.OF.SERVER/ ?
[03:30] <gdh> or are you trying to use http://machinename/ ?
[03:31] <linke> gdh: doing ip of sorver doesn't work, they aren't on a windows network yet, and doing the telnet thing just says "connecting to *ip*"
[03:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> linke: can you ping the server?
[03:32] <gdh> can you even ping the Linux server from your windows box?
[03:32] <gdh> ha :)
[03:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol gdh
[03:32] <linke> I'll try
[03:32] <gdh> This just smells like TCP/IP 101 .. wrong subnet mask or something..
[03:33] <linke> I can't ping it, from windows box, wierd
[03:33] <linke> they are connected to the same router
[03:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> are tehy on the same network?
[03:34] <linke> not the same network, but the same router
[03:34] <linke> someone try pinging <IP_ADDRESS>?
[03:34] <linke> and don't haxx0r it pleaes
[03:34] <linke> *please
[03:34] <gdh> er.. they at least have IP addresses in the same private range ? 10.0.0.x / 192.168.0.x or similar?
[03:35] <linke> wierd, both computers has got the same external ip :s
[03:35] <gdh> That can't be good. :)
[03:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:36] <linke> nope, they are on some wierd d-link hybrid of wireless and non-wireless router
[03:37] <gdh> Very.
[03:38] <gdh> linke: Don't suppose you have just a cheap hub / switch lying around that you could isolate the two machines onto
[03:38] <gdh> just to eliminate the d-link box doing 'weird shit'  :)
[03:38] <linke> and then I plug that one to the modem?
[03:38] <gdh> typically the way such ethernet routers work is the router itself gets the public IP 82.x.x.x
[03:39] <gdh> and it allocates a private address in 10.0.0.x to each machine on the LAN
[03:39] <linke> oh yeah, my friend, it is his computer, has got a spare switch lying around
[03:39] <gdh> and the router does the IP Masq to each Net request from teh lAN appears to be coming from the router itself...
[03:40] <gdh> I don't know what funny stuff the router is trying to do.. some kind of 'ppp half bridge' so LAN machiens get a public IP...
[03:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> got a crossover cable? easier then a switch...
[03:40] <gdh> It's asking for pain :)
[03:40] <linke> but I need to be able to acess the server from other computers too
[03:40] <linke> but if I plug a switch to the modem, will that give me a different ip?
[03:41] <gdh> without knowing the device or how it works, it's very difficult to give useful advice :/
[03:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> linke:  what is the modem, can you give us a link to teh website?
[03:42] <gdh> Is this a cable modem system or ADSL or what?
[03:42] <linke> hold on
[03:44] <linke> dlink-dl-713p is the router, and spedtouch is all the modem says, but maybe his isp only gives one external ip?
[03:44] <gdh> a single external IP is normal yes, and typically that IP gets assigned to the router, not the PCs...
[03:45] <linke> then a switch won't solve, his sisters computer has got the same ip too, so I guess that's the problem
[03:46] <soebbi> if i change my k-menu (by moving or deleting entries) saving the changes does nothing. Does anyone have the same problem?
[03:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> linke: can you explain what has to happen with teh internet+server a bit better more? what services does the server offer?
[03:47] <linke> the server is basicly a old computer with kubuntu and apache2 if that is what you mean, or you mean the isp?
[03:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> so all it does is serv a website?
[03:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> then you can forwrad port 80 on the router to that pc
[03:48] <linke> or more like a mp3-host for his friends
[03:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> and all is good
[03:48] <linke> okay, hold on
[03:49] <linke> wait, if I enter the network ip (192.168.bla), then it works
[03:49] <linke> so I guess just opening port 80 would do
[03:50] <rrichie> hi all
[03:50] <rrichie> how can i aothorize root to log in in kdm please?
[03:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> linke: now make sure its a static ip.. .or when it changes teh server will go offline
[03:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> rrichie: with pain
[03:51] <rrichie> pain ?
[03:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes. its not easy
[03:51] <rrichie> can you explain it to me please?
[03:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, because i havent done it. but roughly you have to 'sudo passwd root' to enable the root account, then change kdms login conf file to alow root logins
[03:52] <rrichie> what is the kdm login conf file please?
[03:53] <seaLne> rrichie: why do you need to run X as root?
[03:54] <rrichie> because i have to launch a program as root but konqueror freezes on my computer when i do that
[03:54] <seaLne> are you using kdesu?
[03:55] <rrichie> no
[03:55] <rrichie> xhost +
[03:55] <rrichie> su
[03:55] <rrichie> konqueror
[03:55] <rrichie> kdesu konqueror makes konqueror to hangs
[03:55] <rrichie> i need to log in as root
[03:56] <rrichie> can you help me please?
[04:08] <kubuntu> hello. . do u know the package name that contains r200_dri.so?
[04:10] <apokryphos> konsolebox: xlibmesa-dri
[04:10] <konsolebox> ok thanks
[04:10] <apokryphos> konsolebox: use packages.ubuntu.com for things like that =)
[04:10] <nikkia> morning apokryphos
[04:11] <apokryphos> hey
[04:11] <nikkia> was starting to worry that your sis might have buried you under the patio :P
[04:12] <apokryphos> I ended up coming home just ten minutes after loads of people went out; meant I had to cue for half an hour while they got in straight away oO
[04:12] <scheich> hi
[04:12] <apokryphos> hi there
[04:12] <apokryphos> 113 -- channel is indeed growing
[04:17] <konsolebox> apokryphos: can u give a sample deb http://packages.ubuntu.com/* like thing? pls
[04:17] <apokryphos> paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[04:22] <gautam> hi all!
[04:23] <gautam> i have a question.. when breezy releases, would it be possible to upgrade using kynaptic alone?
[04:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[04:24] <nikkia> gautam: i wouldn't recommend using kynaptic
[04:24] <gautam> ah...any reason why not?
[04:24] <nikkia> a full system upgrade is surely going to have console prompts, which kynapic doesn't (didn't, last time i checked) handle
[04:24] <gautam> oh....then an apt-get dist upgrade then?
[04:25] <gautam> i've heard that a re-install is preferable to an update
[04:25] <konsolebox> apokryphos: how will i add in sources.list this: http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xorg/xlibmesa-dri_6.8.2-10.1_i386.deb
[04:26] <nikkia> gautam: its less likely to be a hassle to reinstall, if your original install was done cleanly
[04:27] <gautam> but i don't want to end up reconfiguring breezy from scratch
[04:27] <gautam> that's why i prefer to just upgrade
[04:29] <apokryphos> konsolebox: how woudl you add it? What?
[04:29] <konsolebox> nvm i found the way
[04:29] <konsolebox> what i meant was the repository
[04:29] <konsolebox> address
[04:30] <apokryphos> the link I gave you had the security.ubuntu.com repository
[04:31] <cnp-mad30> if you run kynaptic from the console using sudo kynaptic u can answer the console prompts
[04:37] <Deanie> hi
[04:37] <Deanie> when will breezy be released?
[04:41] <Deanie> ive added repos for backport and universe/multiverse and kde 3.4.2, would a dist-upgrade update my whole os ? (properly)
[04:42] <crtr> I have .taz.gz in /var/www and the archive is 4 GB . I can't see it in web browser , why ?
[04:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> comment out the backports, tehn update
[04:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> .tar.gz? or taz.gz? and im not sure is teh answer
[04:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> any .htaccess stuff hiding it?
[04:43] <crtr> it's .tar.gz and i don't know what's .htaccess ..
[04:44] <Deanie> what are backports for?
[04:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> crtr: what path did you put in your browser?
[04:44] <Deanie> a 4gb file ? dvd ?
[04:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> Deanie: they give new packages (say from breezy) to teh stable releases (say hoary)
[04:44] <Deanie> if u dare, try unpack it :)
[04:45] <crtr> Kamping_Kaiser, my ip
[04:45] <crtr> Deanie, not a DVD .. mp3s put in archive
[04:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> crtr: +path? or just your ip?
[04:45] <crtr> Kamping_Kaiser, ip only
[04:45] <Deanie> do i need backports then?  ive no idea
[04:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> that should be ok then :/ sure you have apache installed?
[04:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> Deanie: no, you *never need* backports
[04:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> its a luxury
[04:46] <crtr> yes i have it ..
[04:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure then crtl
[04:46] <crtr> there are 3-4 folders and another tar.gz
[04:54] <elvirolo> hi all
[04:54] <elvirolo> is it still impossible to have musicbrainz support for mp3's ?
[04:55] <seaLne> freedb is more comonly used by music progs
[04:56] <Deanie> Kamping_Kaiser can u have a quick look at my sources list and tell me if its ok?
[04:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok Deanie. pastebin it
[04:56] <whoiam> any kernel guru here ?
[04:56] <Deanie> http://www.duff.karoo.net/sources.list
[04:56] <Deanie> if thats easier
[04:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> thats fine
[04:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> comment out teh cdrom
[04:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> and comment out packports
[04:58] <Deanie> k
[04:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure about teh kde 3.4.2 thing
[04:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> ill find a link to mine to show you ;)
[04:58] <whoiam> anybody know how can I get my current kernel configuration, so that I could use it as dummy for compiling my new kernel (like you have kernel configuration in gentoo)
[04:58] <Deanie> im wantin to move my windows setup over to linux now i have enuff of my progs replaced and now got apache2+ssl+deflate to play nice
[04:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> http://users.on.net/~goetz/sources.list.uber.internode <- the sources list i wrote
[04:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> for my isp mirrors
[04:59] <Deanie> but ill wait for breezy
[04:59] <ll> is it still impossible to have musicbrainz support for mp3's ?
[04:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> !kernelcompile
[04:59] <ubotu> You will probably find info about this at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto
[05:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> try that whoiam, othr then that i cant help
[05:00] <Deanie> link not working
[05:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm.
[05:00] <whoiam> Kamping_Kaiser: lemme check
[05:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> http://users.on.net/~goetz/sources.list.uber.node <- the sources list i wrote
[05:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> try that
[05:01] <Deanie> huge
[05:01] <whoiam> ubotu: I know how to compile a kernel, I just want to remove some unwanted things from my current kernel, so I need a skelaton of config file
[05:01] <ubotu> I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about, whoiam
[05:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> Deanie: yeh. basicly. if you change the 'node' to 'ubuntu' its a list pointing at the master servers
[05:02] <slow-motion> re
[05:03] <whoiam> ubotu: lemme check the link
[05:03] <whoiam> :)
[05:03] <ubotu> whoiam: Syntax error in line 1
[05:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[05:04] <Deanie> stick with my list for now ;)
[05:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol.
[05:04] <Deanie> wouldnt know where to start with that one
[05:04] <Deanie> and im forever breaking the linux
[05:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> it does every version of ubuntu, with individual repos you can turn on and off
[05:06] <Deanie> i dont know what to turn on / off
[05:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol.
[05:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> then dont go near it
[05:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> basicly you would find the lines with 'hoary' in them, and uncomment them.
[05:07] <whoiam> ubotu: great link, worth of reading all :) thnx
[05:07] <ubotu> whoiam: I don't know, could you explain it?
[05:07] <Deanie> just want a list to add latest packages and update as needed.
[05:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> Deanie: yours is fine, just thought i would show off mine :0
[05:09] <Deanie> k, well ive commented the cdrom and backport line, so shud be ok.  b
[05:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> yep.
[05:09] <Deanie> im only usin hoary in vmware at mo to make sure its all workin as i need it to..
[05:09] <Deanie> gunna wait till breezy is final and use that for main instal
[05:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> breezy is nice.
[05:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> im waiting for breezy to go stable so i canupgrade to dapper
[05:10] <Deanie> whats that
[05:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> the version after breezy (version 6.04)
[05:11] <inc|freaky> how do i use this: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=29702 ? is changing the look of the K-button or can any1 point me to a document?
[05:11] <Deanie> just want me a stable upto date working os
[05:11] <Chousuke> Kamping_Kaiser: Freak.
[05:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. Chousuke why?
[05:12] <Chousuke> Kamping_Kaiser: You like using unstable in-development operating systems?
[05:12] <Deanie> doin a dist-upgrade,  238mb
[05:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, im a tweaker. i break stuff anyway, so some help is always good
[05:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> its also a bit of 'living life on the edge' involved
[05:13] <inc|freaky> i feel the same Kamping_Kaiser :) with ubuntu this is even made easy ^^
[05:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh :)
[05:13] <Chousuke> I don't care as long as it works.
[05:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> most ppl dont, which is teh problem i have trying to convert ppl
[05:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> 'so does linux ever crash on you' 'yeh, everyday, because i run teh unstable version' 'oh.... ill stick with windows' :/
[05:15] <apokryphos> heh
[05:15] <Chousuke> you're a bad marketer :p
[05:15] <inc|freaky> Kamping_Kaiser: ppl need ppl like you so you can help them when they finally switch to the new stuff in which you have knowledge because youre using it since ages ^^
[05:15] <Chousuke> Well, just show them that windows doesn't work
[05:15] <apokryphos> going all the way to the top!
[05:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> Chousuke: i show them untill they go blue.. .doesnt help ;)
[05:15] <apokryphos> I don't think I'll restart for when Breezy's out, even :P
[05:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. go apokryphos :)
[05:15] <inc|freaky> in my last class i have taken one guy to linux. now hes trying to take others to linux but only one guy is interested in his class ... all others, after looking at live-cds sticked to windows
[05:15] <Chousuke> 18:15  up 3 days,  8:04, 19 users, load averages: 0.47 0.42 0.35
[05:16] <Chousuke> on a laptop, though, so it's acceptable :P
[05:16] <inc|freaky> they all scared and its all too hard for them
[05:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> i just convinced a mate to dl the live cd. will see how he goes
[05:16] <Chousuke> I wonder why 19 users though
[05:16] <Chousuke> I'm logged in that many times for some reason.
[05:16] <hydrogen> somehow I have 0 users logged in
[05:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> inc|freaky: the other problem is that for them 'working mp3 support' involved opening a media player like xmms. to me it means writing a shell script to play mp3s with mplayer
[05:17] <nikkia> nikki@nikki:/usr/src/linux-2.6.13/drivers/video$ uptime
[05:17] <nikkia>  16:16:54 up 32 days, 17:45,  3 users,  load average: 2.23, 1.27, 0.93
[05:17] <nalioth> nikkia: showing off?
[05:17] <hydrogen> Kamping_Kaiser: aye... for some reason people like their computers to look good these days, can you believe it~!
[05:17] <inc|freaky> Kamping_Kaiser: well, i dont like any video player for KDE i hope some1 soon releases a real good one
[05:17] <apokryphos> not toobad; but still a little mortalish 8)
[05:17] <nikkia> nalioth: apokryphos said he was interested :P
[05:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> i know :/ standrds :/
[05:18] <inc|freaky> hydrogen: yea its the same here thats why i want to run everything most new ;)
[05:18] <inc|freaky> sry 4 my bad english im too lazy to double-check what i say
[05:18] <hydrogen> amaroK++
[05:18] <nikkia> apokryphos:
[05:18] <inc|freaky> hydrogen: ? whats amarok++?
[05:18] <nikkia> nikki@laptop:~$ uptime
[05:18] <nikkia>  16:18:01 up 58 days, 16:29,  8 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[05:18] <hydrogen> amaroK is an audio player
[05:18] <Chousuke> 32 say uptime is not that much.
[05:18] <Chousuke> day
[05:18] <apokryphos> nikkia: yup, I noticed and replied ;-)
[05:18] <Chousuke> depends on how mobile you are.
[05:18] <apokryphos> Chousuke: agreed
[05:18] <apokryphos> Chousuke: better when it goes into years
[05:18] <Chousuke> My laptop is wth me all the time.
[05:19] <inc|freaky> neway, anyone knows how i can install a .xcf file i dont know what format that is but it is at http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=29702 and i want my K-Menu button to look like this to rearrange my kicker so it all looks really nice
[05:19] <Chousuke> so it doesn't get that much uptime
[05:19] <nikkia> Chousuke: only problem with 'years' worth of uptime is, it invariably means you're running an old, crusty and probably insecure kernel :)
[05:19] <inc|freaky> hydrogen: i know i thought u wanted to tell me amarok++ is a new video player because i use amarok as mp3 player and like it ;)
[05:19] <Chousuke> It's never crashed though.
[05:19] <Chousuke> nikkia: yeah :/
[05:20] <inc|freaky> did you know aptitude has some easteregg? ^^
[05:20] <Chousuke> a game of tetris?
[05:20] <Deanie> Kamping_Kaiser right im off, so my sources list is ok for me to keep my hoary upto date with security and latest app versions (non beta) ?
[05:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> looked ok Deanie.
[05:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> hope to see you around again
[05:21] <Deanie> i`ll be back
[05:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> see you then :)
[05:21] <Deanie> when i break it again
[05:21] <Deanie> ttfn
[05:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[05:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> later
[05:21] <Chousuke> hm
[05:22] <apokryphos> nikkia: I was thinking more of in the line of 50+ years ;-)
[05:22] <Chousuke> But hmm.
[05:22] <Chousuke> Aren't there ways of upgrading the kernel without a reboot?
[05:23] <nikkia> Chousuke: yes, kexec, but its not mainstream or out-of-beta yet
[05:23] <nikkia> it would still trash your uptime tho
[05:23] <Chousuke> How so?
[05:24] <nikkia> kexec involves loading a new kernel image as-if you'd rebooted, so it would still result in uptime getting reset
[05:24] <Chousuke> The "real" solution would be taking a microkernel approach I guess
[05:24] <Chousuke> build a microkernel that doesn't have security flaws :P
[05:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[05:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> so hurd minus security issues
[05:25] <Chousuke> Then you would be able to upgrade the userspace stuff without reboots.
[05:25] <Chousuke> but then you'd get the annoying overhead.
[05:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> if we had hardware like the old VAXs (hot swapable interchangealbe ram+cpus+etc) you could change the hardware to do the upgrade (more ram ) tehn whack in teh cpus againa after
[05:27] <Chousuke> But then again, many people are happily using Java and interpreted programming languages :P
[05:28] <Chousuke> hot-swappable cpus?)
[05:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh. sun still do it iirc
[05:28] <Chousuke> That's probably tricky.
[05:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> tricky but COOOL
[05:28] <Chousuke> unless you have a SMP setup.
[05:29] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: you know how the old vaxen achieved that, tho, right?
[05:29] <nikkia> they had a whole nuther minicomputer sitting as the system supervisor - usually a PDP11 :)
[05:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> nikkia: only a bit
[05:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> a mate of mine has a MicroVAX2 under his desk, he told me a bit aobut it
[05:29] <nikkia> some of the earlier VAXen had a PDP8, but most of the latter ones had PDP-11/75s for the system supervisor
[05:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> he has PDP-11 iirc
[05:30] <nikkia> the microvax didn't have nearly the flexibility as a proper vaxen (8650, etc) tho
[05:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. fair enough probably
[05:31] <DrZoot> anyone know if its possible to install kubuntu without kde so that i can compile the kde bits from source
[05:31] <apokryphos> DrZoot: yes; do a server install
[05:31] <Chousuke> The most exotic machine I've ever seen is probably a Sun sparc workstation :P
[05:32] <nikkia> Chousuke: i used to admin a cluster of vaxen, 'twas fun
[05:32] <apokryphos> DrZoot: (then just add what you want). Though you could just install kubuntu and easily remove all kde packs (easier)
[05:32] <DrZoot> apokryphos: thats not actually going to install a bunch of servers that a desktop machine ( laptop ) will never use is it?
[05:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol Chousuke
[05:32] <apokryphos> DrZoot: no
[05:32] <DrZoot> apokryphos: okay, ill give it a go
[05:32] <Chousuke> I haven't even used that workstation yet.
[05:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> nikkia: half your luck :(
[05:33] <Chousuke> I don't have access to the sun machines at school :P
[05:33] <apokryphos> DrZoot: I still don't really recommend doing it that way though, but go for it if you like.
[05:33] <nikkia> most exotic machines i used, tho, were probably the 68k based solbournes and 68k based sequents
[05:33] <Chousuke> I should apply for an account
[05:33] <DrZoot> apokryphos: dont recommend compiling from source or dont recomend that particular method of doing it ?
[05:34] <apokryphos> DrZoot: the latter, but depending on your reasons, perhaps the former too.
[05:35] <DrZoot> apokryphos: haha, i want to get into kde dev at some point and i figure the best way to learn is to jump in feet first and look at lots of examples, i can think of no better example than the kde source :)
[05:36] <apokryphos> DrZoot: best way to get into kde dev, IMO, is to head to developer.kde.org and try gettin' your feet wet there =)
[05:37] <apokryphos> DrZoot: and I'd recommend you install Kubuntu's KDE packs anyhow; it's a good idea to have another user -- often just called kdedev -- where you can have a kde svn checkout/other-kde-version (though not necessarily) which is compiled from source
[05:38] <DrZoot> does a kubuntu server install have a root user?
[05:39] <apokryphos> DrZoot: nope, it shouldn't
[05:39] <inc|freaky> DrZoot: they all have root-users its just the password is disabled. set a password and you can use root
[05:40] <apokryphos> bleh