[10:57] <phiber_optic> but i put my menu bar transparent and now I cant read like applications so I want ot change the colo of the letters but I dont know where :(
[10:57] <iBalo> ... too slow...
[10:57] <mamefan> So, let's say at some point Ubuntu starts bringing in lots of money from all the large enterprise support agreements.  What motivates the individual package contributors to continue their work?  Given that they're unlikely to see the $$?
[10:58] <soundray> dooglus, man-db
[10:58] <_jason> mamefan: not everything is done to make money
[10:58] <fangorious> then i got rid of the partition that used to be /boot, and edited menu.lst again, but now grub can't load :(
[10:58] <dooglus> soundray: thanks.  I just found it.  It's not installed by default?
[10:58] <mamefan> _jason: Do you have a job?
[10:58] <phiber_optic> lampshade, any ideas??
[10:58] <soundray> mamefan, do you have children?
[10:58] <mamefan> Yup.
[10:58] <_jason> mamefan: what does that have to do with it? (yes)
[10:59] <mamefan> would you keep doing you're job if they quit paying you?
[10:59] <lampshade> mamefan, I just installed linux on my main box--  it crashes more, I lost a lot of my applications that I loved (picasa, etc), but in light of all of that I do it because one I work with it for a while I plan to contribute code back to the community.  It is a good thing overall
[10:59] <soundray> mamefan, what makes you play with them, if you don't see the $$
[10:59] <mamefan> soundray: good point.
[10:59] <_jason> mamefan: I sit here and answer your questions, yet I'm not paid :)
[10:59] <Jormundgand> soundray: if I enjoyed a job I'd do it for free. The money is generally an extra - although I'd get another job which paid to make ends meet. =P
[11:00] <mamefan> well, I'm not paid to ask them either.
[11:00] <soundray> mamefan, some things are done for the love of it. If it helps someone make money, all the better.
[11:00] <we2by> is the nvidia card driver installed by default when installing ubuntu?
[11:00] <phiber_optic> does anybody know how to change the color of my menus ?
[11:00] <mamefan> It's just that lately I've been giving a lot of thought to the sustainability of OSS.
[11:00] <iBalo> we2by: that depends....
[11:00] <we2by> iBalo, I have a fx 5200
[11:00] <_jason> phiber_optic: probably by installing a theme
[11:00] <lampshade> mamefan, also consider what you call getting paid for it.  Like Novell and Google both use and contribute to linux.  However, Google isn't selling linux or anything like that.  The income kinda comes around in a different way I guess is what I'm trying to say
[11:01] <dooglus> aah.  I didn't have @ubuntu-standard@ installed.  what else is part of a basic desktop install?  I've got @ubuntu-desktop@, but that doesn't depend on @ubuntu-standard@
[11:01] <MrPockets> does Ubuntu havce a recycle bin that things go when you hit Delete ?
[11:01] <_jason> dooglus: ubuntu-base I think
[11:01] <soundray> Jormundgand, I'm with you all the way.
[11:01] <NickGarvey> mamefan: if you go on google you can see loads of people have though similar to you and there are countless articles on the issue
[11:01] <gnomefreak> MrPockets: yes bottom right hand corner
[11:01] <NickGarvey> thought(
[11:01] <phiber_optic> _jason, theres no way to change just the color of a theme?
[11:01] <gnomefreak> in gnome
[11:01] <_jason> phiber_optic: you can probably edit the theme
[11:01] <mamefan> No doubt it weighs more heavily on some than others.
[11:01] <MrPockets> gnomefreak, say its not there, how else do i get into it
[11:02] <gnomefreak> MrPockets: are you on gnome?
[11:02] <MrPockets> yeah
[11:02] <phiber_optic> how _jason?
[11:02] <soundray> Jormundgand, let's stop it anyway, lest people start to talk ;)
[11:02] <lampshade> phiber_optic, you can change colors, and such, I did to mine, but I've never tried changing font colors.  Like I said I usually just play around till I see the option in situations like this so I can't be more specific, sorry :(
[11:02] <iBalo> we2by: then you have to install the restricted-modules package according to your kernel, and nvidia-glx... sudo nvidia-glx-config enable ... and you're done
[11:02] <Jormundgand> =P
[11:02] <MrPockets> i just switched up the tool bars some time ago and Recycle bin isnt there
[11:02] <gnomefreak> you dont see the lil blue thing in bottom right corner?
[11:02] <gnomefreak> ahhhhhhhhhh
[11:02] <lampshade> MrPockets, it was just removed is all.
[11:02] <gnomefreak> MrPockets: you can try right clicking and adding trash to panel
[11:02] <_jason> phiber_optic: checkout art.gnome.org for their tutorial on making themes and then edit the file for your current theme
[11:03] <rhythminmind> ok so everytime i try to log in i get "Change your password immediately (root enforced) " So ok i change it but it will ask it again next login.. I've enabled root, and even with this acount it asks for a new password. i cant do anything with the system it keeps wanting new authentication... HELP!
[11:03] <phiber_optic> ok thanx _jason
[11:03] <mamefan> MrPockets: ALT-F1 and then trash:// (maybe?)
[11:03] <MrPockets> OMG Thank you!
[11:04] <Biggi> haha i had 65 gig in my trashcan the other day :P
[11:04] <NickGarvey> wheres the script that mounts the filesystems on boot?
[11:04] <mamefan> Oops ALT-F2
[11:04] <mivecz> can anyone help me
[11:04] <soundray> dooglus, sorry, missed your question. It's "Priority: standard"
[11:04] <gnomefreak> mivecz: can you tell us your issue?
[11:04] <ConfidentiaL> I have a problem with airodump, is this the placeto get help for this kind of things?
[11:04] <dooglus> soundray: I asked a question?
[11:05] <rhythminmind> anyone see my issue before?
[11:05] <soundray> dooglus, about man-db I think.
[11:05] <mivecz> cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.enlightenment.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/enlightenment login(i cant  login
[11:05] <gnomefreak> dooglus: xubuntu is added back
[11:05] <soundray> dooglus, nvrmnd
[11:05] <zerephath> I installed beagle..but it complains that the daemon isn't running...a visit to /usr/share/doc/beagle revealed nothing...how do I get beagle to start the daemon and keep it running even after a reboot occurs?
[11:05] <dooglus> soundray: I'd like to know how to set my keyboard to be UK instead of US
[11:05] <TonyB2006> the i386 installer doesnt freeze w/ me, but the amd64 one gets really far, and then freezes at a random point
[11:05] <soundray> dooglus, X or console?
[11:05] <mivecz> is  ask  for  pass  i  just hit  enter  but nothing
[11:05] <dooglus> soundray: console
[11:05] <mivecz> cvs [login aborted] : connect to cvs.enlightenment.sourceforge.net(<IP_ADDRESS>):2401 failed: Connection timed out
[11:06] <InnerF|RE> does anyone know why firefox wont load with msn networks dsl?
[11:06] <InnerF|RE> xp works fine
[11:06] <dooglus> soundray: usually the installer would ask you, but I didn't use the installer
[11:06] <fangorious> why are there no grub utilities on the flight4 livecd?
[11:06] <mivecz> flight4 release?
[11:06] <soundray> dooglus, it'll take me a couple of minutes to remember how...
[11:06] <ConfidentiaL> What channel should I join to get help with airodump and wireless scanning? Or maybe I could get help here?
[11:07] <NickGarvey> wheres the script that mounts the filesystems on boot?
[11:08] <name> i can't open hda1 !
[11:08] <dooglus> NickGarvey: /etc/init.d/mountall.sh
[11:08] <NickGarvey> thank you
[11:08] <zerephath> NickGarvey: It isn't a script it is a file named fstab
[11:08] <dooglus> NickGarvey: but what you probably wanted to know is that /etc/fstab controls which filesystems it mounts
[11:08] <yggdrasil__> can omone help me out with this error  make[1] : *** No rule to make target `alsa/asoundlib.h', needed by `softdevice.o'.  Stop.
[11:08] <NickGarvey> actually no, I'm trying to set up quota
[11:09] <NickGarvey> and its telling me to edit my init script
[11:09] <NickGarvey> but I really have no idea what I'm doing
[11:09] <dooglus> yggdrasil__: sounds like you need to install package libasound2-dev
[11:09] <InnerF|RE> does anyone know why firefox wont load with msn networks dsl?
[11:09] <dooglus> NickGarvey: the script I told you is probably the one then
[11:09] <NET||abuse> hi, i've been trying to install libxpm4 but apt can't find the package
[11:09] <KRA> Anyone here with knowledge about nvidia binary drivers /settings ?
[11:09] <yggdrasil__> think i did doooglus ill try again
[11:09] <nekostar> o.o
[11:09] <NET||abuse> can anyone else find it?
[11:10] <NickGarvey> LRUGHTP
[11:10] <NickGarvey> whoa
[11:10] <mivecz> how i  get  the  dev packages of E17???
[11:10] <NET||abuse> have I got to enable another deb?
[11:10] <dooglus> yggdrasil__: check whether you have /usr/include/alsa/asoundlib.h
[11:10] <NickGarvey> alrighty
[11:10] <yggdrasil__> dooglus yes its there
[11:10] <mamefan> InnerF|RE:  I'm using MSN DSL and Firefox works for me.  What are you seeing (or not seeing)?
[11:10] <soundray> dooglus, sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-data
[11:11] <herede> i'm trying to install kubuntu from the latest ISO, but something goes wrong with the basesystem installation. it points me to some log file (which doesn't exist), and then the installer exits. it appears to happen while extracting TAR. i've checked google, the faq, ... anyone got an idea what this could be?
[11:11] <mivecz> how i  get  the  dev packages of E17???
[11:11] <NET||abuse> can anyone tell me what deb to enable to get libxpm4
[11:12] <dooglus> soundray: thanks. you're a star.
[11:12] <_jason> !find libxpm4
[11:12] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'libxpm4' (2 shown): libxpm4 ;; libxpm4-dbg.
[11:12] <_jason> !info libxpm4
[11:12] <ubotu> libxpm4: (X11 pixmap library), section libs, is optional. Version: 1:3.5.2-5 (breezy), Packaged size: 31 kB, Installed size: 128 kB
[11:12] <yggdrasil__> can omone help me out with this error  make[1] : *** No rule to make target `alsa/asoundlib.h', needed by `softdevice.o'.  Stop.
[11:12] <_jason> NET||abuse: you need the main repository enabled
[11:12] <ConfidentiaL> Ok, I'll ask here: Does any1 know why I on airodump get tons of packets, but never a single IV?
[11:12] <InnerF|RE> mamefan..
[11:12] <InnerF|RE> can i primsg u?
[11:12] <mamefan> ok.
[11:12] <NET||abuse> _jason: what does that look like in the sources.list ?
[11:13] <NickGarvey> !info quota
[11:13] <ubotu> quota: (implementation of the disk quota system), section admin, is optional. Version: 3.13-1 (breezy), Packaged size: 388 kB, Installed size: 1160 kB
[11:13] <_jason> NET||abuse: deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main
[11:13] <_jason> ubotu: tell NET||abuse about easysource
[11:13] <NET||abuse> _jazon; thanks
[11:13] <majik_other> hi, I just installed an nvidia card; a XFX FX5200 PCI; into my dapper drake computer. when I boot it hangs at "loading hardware drivers..."
[11:14] <mivecz> how i  get  the  deb packages of E17???
[11:14] <bipolar> Has anyone used Xinerama with the Open source radeon drivers? I think I'm pretty close but I'm not getting anything on my 2nd screen.
[11:14] <soundray> mivecz, apt-cache search enlightenment to list them, sudo apt-get install packagename to install.
[11:15] <nuu> can anyone help me with mplayer
[11:15] <_jason> nuu: just ask :)
[11:15] <nuu> it doesn't seem to play any sound files or cds
[11:15] <_jason> nuu: does it play video files?
[11:15] <biovore> nuu: you using the mplayer from apt?
[11:16] <nuu> no from automatrix
[11:16] <nuu> yeah it plays movies no prob but not music
[11:16] <NET||abuse> no checked it out, i definately have all deb's listed as main enabled but no libxpm4
[11:16] <gnomefreak> !automatix
[11:16] <ubotu> automatix is unsafe, it overwrites configuration files, and does things like "echo -e 'ynYn'" that are considered risky. Please do not use it. There are alternative applications, but it's often best to read the documentation.
[11:17] <biovore> mplayer should beable to do mp3/ogg/wav ac3/aac audio no problem
[11:17] <mivecz> cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.enlightenment.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/enlightenment login
[11:17] <mivecz> Press <enter> when prompted for a password, then download the code by typing:
[11:17] <mivecz> cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.enlightenment.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/enlightenment \
[11:17] <mivecz> co -D "July 24, 2002" e17
[11:17] <_jason> nuu: always best to install things on your own and not become dependent on a script imo, I'm gonna send you a link to the mplayer guide.  Try to follow the steps to get it to use esd sound.   I am using Automatix as we speak
[11:17] <_jason> ubotu: tell mivecz about pastebin
[11:17] <nuu> ok
[11:17] <NET||abuse> _jason: so yeh, all mains are listed, still not finding libxpm4
[11:17] <gnomefreak> MAB: :(
[11:17] <nuu> everything is fine except that
[11:17] <biovore> I build mplayer from source.. works much better..  don't forget to get divx4linux/xvidcore/x264 before building
[11:17] <_jason> NET||abuse: can you put /etc/apt/sources.list on http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ please?
[11:18] <fd_> hi all! how can i try drapper? i have 5.10 installed right now. must i install clean from a drapper cd?
[11:18] <yggdrasil__> can omone help me out with this error  make[1] : *** No rule to make target `alsa/asoundlib.h', needed by `softdevice.o'.  Stop.
[11:18] <_jason> biovore: he's using automatix, I doubt he wants to build it :P
[11:18] <MAB> I am new to Linux and Ubuntu was the first ive tried
[11:18] <NET||abuse> _jason: ok, hang on two seconds
[11:18] <ruby123> MAB: good choice :-)
[11:18] <_jason> MAB: great choice
[11:18] <MAB> ty
[11:18] <relachs> haha
[11:18] <ruby123> hehe
[11:18] <MAB> I realy thought Automatix was cool
[11:19] <InnerF|RE> qwest msn's dsl just timesouts with firefox, but works fine with xp.. anyone know why>
[11:19] <InnerF|RE> ?
[11:19] <cavediver> Hi. I'm having problems getting Zend Studio to work in Dapper. It installs fine but when I run it no menus appear, just a blank grey screen. Anyone recognizes this ?
[11:19] <_jason> MAB: there have been some issues with it in the past
[11:19] <gnomefreak> MAB: i never used it but ive have only heard bad things
[11:19] <biovore> InnerF|RE: firefox in general or just firefox on linux?
[11:19] <mamefan> InnerF|RE:  Sorry -- Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems,
[11:19] <allan__> where can i get the restricted modules for the 2.6.15 kernel?
[11:19] <_jason> !dapper
[11:19] <ubotu> dapper is, like, the pre-release name for the next version of Ubuntu, the release will be called 6.04. It is due 20th April. It is software in development and as such may break.  join #ubuntu+1 to talk about it
[11:19] <nm> automatix doesn't really work as it should
[11:19] <nm> heh
[11:19] <MAB> _jason I have not read anything on the subject. Any real examples or personal issues?
[11:19] <mivecz> soundray look these http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9073
[11:19] <NET||abuse> http://paste.ubuntulinux.org/9074
[11:19] <theking_2100> hi every one
[11:20] <nm> i have a friend guinea'ing breezy for me
[11:20] <nm> on his compaq laptop
[11:20] <InnerF|RE> firefox onlinux
[11:20] <ruby123> hi theking_2100
[11:20] <InnerF|RE> ubuntu
[11:20] <nm> he had nothing but difficulty with it
[11:20] <InnerF|RE> im registered
[11:20] <nm> and when i checked it out, it did install the packages it suggested it would, but they weren't really configured properly at all
[11:20] <theking_2100> i'm i in the right channel for help?
[11:20] <NET||abuse> _jason: http://paste.ubuntulinux.org/9074
[11:21] <gnomefreak> theking_2100: is it ubuntu related?
[11:21] <theking_2100> yep
[11:21] <MAB> Well I guess I am going to learn from my own mistakes
[11:21] <gnomefreak> than you are
[11:21] <_jason> NET||abuse: I'm getting a 404 on that page, just me?
[11:21] <Panzerboy> heh
[11:21] <soundray> mivecz, where did you get those instructions?
[11:21] <Panzerboy> just updated to dapper
[11:21] <Panzerboy> so far, so good :)
[11:21] <gnomefreak> MAB: take a look at easyubuntu
[11:21] <NET||abuse> _jason: :) http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9074
[11:21] <Panzerboy> new gnome really rocks
[11:21] <MAB> but I love my ubuntu :) I dictch windows after 3 days on ubuntu :)
[11:22] <mivecz> in a  site to  get   the  deb  packagers  for  e17
[11:22] <allan__> here can i get the linux restricted modules for the 2.6.15 kernel?
[11:22] <theking_2100> it's the very fist hours i use linux i just finish installing ubuntu 5.1
[11:22] <_jason> NET||abuse: try #ubuntu+1 for dapper
[11:22] <dooglus> soundray: looks like I need to change the keyboard map in X too.
[11:22] <dooglus> soundray: I've found system->prefs->keyboard but it doesn't seem to have any effect.
[11:22] <relachs> i want to install irssi but it says it is been referenced but not available
[11:22] <theking_2100> i just want to know how i can install ndiswrapper 1.10
[11:22] <_jason> relachs: ubuntu comes with irssi installed
[11:22] <soundray> dooglus, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:22] <MAB> have realy had no problems with ubuntu I can basicly do all the stuff I did on my winxp but kool graphics from PSP but I want to explor gimp :)
[11:23] <crimsun> relachs: the package name is 'irssi-text' in Breezy
[11:23] <nm> the_king2100: google.com?
[11:23] <dooglus> soundray: ooh.
[11:23] <fangorious> how do I reinstall grub from the dapper flight4 livecd?
[11:23] <dooglus> soundray: thanks
[11:23] <soundray> mivecz, those instructions are for Debian. You'll run into trouble if you apply those to Ubuntu.
[11:23] <nm> this is indeed a help channel, but you should exhaust your other avenues of research first
[11:23] <mivecz> where  to  find  for ubuntu
[11:23] <gnomefreak> ubotu tell fangorious about grub
[11:23] <soundray> mivecz, well, you know that, cause you already have...
[11:23] <Zoroaster> msg
[11:23] <Zoroaster> msg-nickserv
[11:23] <Zoroaster> msg-nickserv identify
[11:23] <_jason> Zoroaster: stop
[11:23] <theking_2100> i ve downloaded a an archive tar.gz
[11:23] <_jason> ubotu: tell Zoroaster about register
[11:24] <Zoroaster> I already registered
[11:24] <Zoroaster> I am trying to remember how to identify
[11:24] <mivecz> where  to  find  for ubuntu?
[11:24] <_jason> Zoroaster: /msg nickserv identify password
[11:24] <nm> Zoroaster, clearly you're omitting the necessary slash (/)
[11:24] <nm> before your commands
[11:24] <gnomefreak> Zoroaster: /msg nickserv identify password
[11:24] <relachs> _jason, oh right, crimsun thanks
[11:24] <InnerF|RE> i guess nobody knows yeah?
[11:24] <phiber_optic> what is the command to see what version of ubuntu im running i dont remember :(
[11:24] <theking_2100> i decompressed it on the desktop and i don't know how to install it
[11:24] <_jason> phiber_optic: lsb_release -a
[11:25] <phiber_optic> thats it thanx _jason
[11:25] <eedge> I installed XP after ubuntu, and it fuggered my grub.
[11:25] <soundray> mivecz, ubotu seems to know something:
[11:25] <TonyB2006> it'll do that
[11:25] <eedge> Anyone experienced "/boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly" errors when running grub-install before?
[11:25] <soundray> !tell mivecz about e17
[11:25] <_jason> ubotu: tell eedge about grub
[11:25] <MAB> lol eedge
[11:25] <Zoroaster> _jason, thanks
[11:25] <NET||abuse> _jason: heh, not likely to get much help in ubuntu+1, you can't help no? :(
[11:25] <MAB> erro 75
[11:25] <theking_2100> i saw that i should type in a command like make install but i dont know where and how
[11:26] <_jason> NET||abuse: confirm that the package exists for dapper using packages.ubuntu.com
[11:26] <eedge> I've tried most of, if not all, of the precedures on the wiki page for restoring grub after windows installation.
[11:26] <relachs> err, just noticed i didn't want to use irssi, i want a text-only browser :-)
[11:26] <soundray> theking_2100, what's this software?
[11:26] <eedge> but all of them tend to fall apart around the same place, and thats grub-install.
[11:26] <_jason> relachs: lynx is one
[11:26] <gnomefreak> links2 :)
[11:26] <nuu> _jason with that am i to copy everything,will it mess up everything i already have?
[11:26] <theking_2100> soundray ndiswrapper 1.10
[11:27] <fangorious> can grub have the root/boot partition in an lvm group?
[11:27] <mivecz> apt-get e17 dev packages...don't know exactly wich ones..?
[11:27] <nuu> cause it plays movies fine so i don't want to loose that
[11:27] <_jason> nuu: you are referring to the 'configuration' part?
[11:27] <nuu> yes
[11:27] <relachs> _jason, thank you
[11:28] <_jason> nuu: no, you should not lose functionality
[11:28] <nuu> can i add it to what i got or do i have to start from scratch?
[11:28] <MAB> so what is the purpose of wine or VM. I can just take things I have on disk and make them run on Ubuntu? Or is it more complicated than that
[11:28] <soundray> theking_2100, sorry, if you want to install that from source, I can't help. Why don't you install the ubuntu package (ndiswrapper-utils)?
[11:28] <mamefan> InnerF|RE: I can't PM.
[11:28] <_jason> nuu: put what you have on http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[11:28] <InnerF|RE> well talk to me in the channel then
[11:28] <NET||abuse> _jason: arrg, libxp-dev libxp6/-dbg
[11:28] <InnerF|RE> nobody is saying anything
[11:28] <mamefan> Have you check IP connectivity (ie. can you 'ping www.google.com')
[11:29] <theking_2100> soundray from the cd?
[11:29] <MacSlow> eye-candy food -> http://macslow.thepimp.net/?p=27
[11:29] <NET||abuse> _jason: no libxpm4 in teh x11 section
[11:29] <soundray> theking_2100, no, from the repositories.
[11:29] <eedge> Can somebody help me reinstall grub, I'm really lost as to what is wrong...
[11:29] <InnerF|RE> i have to reboot and log into linux to do that
[11:29] <gnomefreak> eedge: did you read the wiki about grub yet?
[11:29] <InnerF|RE> but if my ip connectivity works here in xp
[11:29] <MAB> eedge are you on windows right now?
[11:29] <InnerF|RE> why wouldnt it with ubuntu?
[11:29] <_jason> NET||abuse: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=libxpm4&searchon=names&subword=1&version=dapper&release=all
[11:29] <mamefan> If so, then the problem is with Firefox.  If not then the problem may be with name resolution.  Try 'ping <IP_ADDRESS>'
[11:29] <theking_2100> soundray Hum... i don't know how to do it
[11:30] <mamefan> if that works then you know it a DNS issue.
[11:30] <eedge> Yes,  I'm in windows right now.
[11:30] <eedge> Its frightning me.
[11:30] <eedge> lol
[11:30] <MAB> lol
[11:30] <soundray> theking_2100, how new are you to ubuntu?
[11:30] <_jason> eedge: was the bot's link not helpful?
[11:30] <MAB> how long have you had ubuntu installed?
[11:30] <gnomefreak> ok brb gonna try this again :(
[11:30] <fd_> can i resize my partition easily to make space for a new one?
[11:30] <mamefan> And you'd want to look at you /etc/resolv.conf (compare what's in there to your windows IPCONFIG).
[11:30] <theking_2100> soundray 2 hours lol
[11:30] <eedge> no, I've allready seen that link.
[11:30] <nuu> ok i pasted it now what save?
[11:30] <mamefan> sorry IPCONFIG /ALL
[11:30] <NET||abuse> _jason: ehhh. hmm heh.. http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/x11/ not listed there??? weird
[11:30] <eedge> and followed most of those restoration steps...
[11:30] <eedge> non of them have worked.
[11:31] <eedge> and none of them assess my specific problem.
[11:31] <MAB> FD_ yes you can resize the partition as much as you like and you can make as many as you want
[11:31] <soundray> theking_2100, okay, there's a few things you need to make yourself familiar with before you can start installing pre-packaged ubuntu software from the repositories.
[11:31] <soundray> theking_2100, ubotu will give you a few links
[11:31] <soundray> ubotu, tell theking_2100 about repos
[11:31] <fd_> MAB, what tool would i use? Disk Manager from the Administration menu?
[11:31] <mamefan> Basically you need a valid IP/subnet, route, and name resolution.  If all that works then you'd need to focus on firefox config (I know very little about that).
[11:31] <soundray> ubotu, tell theking_2100 about easysource
[11:31] <InnerF|RE> k
[11:32] <soundray> ubotu, tell theking_2100 about synaptic
[11:32] <mamefan> You know how to check each of those?
[11:32] <InnerF|RE> shouldnt this be done automatically when i "install" ubuntu?
[11:32] <InnerF|RE> it always has...
[11:32] <mrkris> i installed kubuntu, but am getting errors when running apt-get upgrade, it tells me that there is a file mismatch on these debs. i have tried apt-get -f upgrade, apt-get --fix-missing, etc
[11:32] <soundray> theking_2100, it'll take you a little while to get through that material, but it's *far* better than messing around with source packages.
[11:32] <InnerF|RE> the only difference is the isp
[11:32] <eedge> MAB, missed that... I've had ubuntu installed for sometime.
[11:32] <mamefan> I'd expect it to, but you never know.  It doesn't hurt to check.
[11:32] <MAB> fd_ that something I saw in the Automatix but people here are telling me not use it. Too late.. LOL but you are going to have to ask but I believe you can use Synaptic and look in there
[11:32] <eedge> was first installation on a laptop though.
[11:33] <InnerF|RE> k
[11:33] <InnerF|RE> be back in a bit
[11:33] <wastrel> hello.
[11:33] <Zoroaster> what is it that IN install so that I have lots of backgrounds to choose from
[11:33] <mamefan> Maybe they don't server DHCP and instead are doing PPoA or something like that.  My line is PPoA.
[11:33] <Zoroaster> its an art package
[11:33] <MAB> sorry eedge I would not know the answer :(
[11:33] <Zoroaster> I just forgot
[11:33] <wastrel> what's ppoa?
[11:33] <soundray> theking_2100, in fact, the repositories are one of the things that make Ubuntu special.
[11:33] <mamefan> Point-To-Point over ATM.
[11:34] <mamefan> similar to PPoE (Point-To-Point over Ethernet).
[11:34] <marcelo> hello word
[11:34] <wastrel> heh he have a t1 or something?
[11:34] <MAB> hi marcelo :)
[11:34] <mamefan> DSL is often PPoA.
[11:34] <MAB> lol
[11:34] <theking_2100> soundray ok thx so befor i will be able to install some thing  i should learn all these pages?
[11:34] <wastrel> hmm i wasn't aware.
[11:35] <mamefan> if you have a username/password that you enter into a DSL modem it's almost certainly PPoA.
[11:35] <_mindspin> pppoe ?
[11:35] <soundray> theking_2100, as it is, you can install things from the CD only. You'll get to the point where you install things from the net fairly quickly.
[11:35] <iamtim> !mount
[11:35] <ubotu> methinks mount is the command to add partitions to your filesystem - for full instructions see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingANewHardDrive For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives or http://tinyurl.com/bly9f
[11:35] <marcelo> who this using ubuntu in server
[11:36] <NickGarvey> I am using ubuntu..
[11:36] <NickGarvey> no gui though
[11:36] <marcelo> is server ?
[11:36] <mamefan> only two P (Point to Point).  When it's PPP that's Point to Point Protocol.  For some reason you drop the third P.
[11:36] <theking_2100> soundrayi looked in synaptic if i could find stuff but i didn't
[11:36] <NickGarvey> yeah
[11:36] <NET||abuse> so hmm, if libxpm4 is in the dapper pacakges.ubuntu.com/dapper  why isn't my system able to pick it up?
[11:36] <wastrel> what's the popular music program lately?  sounds like anjuta but not...
[11:36] <iamtim> What is the command to moutn a drive atr startup.
[11:36] <theking_2100> because i want to install my wifi usb card
[11:36] <iamtim> F something...
[11:37] <NickGarvey> change /etc/fstab
[11:37] <mamefan> amaroK?
[11:37] <iamtim> !fstab
[11:37] <ubotu> the /etc/fstab  file lists all drives and partitions but can be easily configured automatically with the diskmounter file found here http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/diskmounter  See <partitions>.
[11:37] <MAB> anyone here use Skype to communicate successfully with people using Windows and have voice?
[11:37] <eedge> arg, I really don't want to have to reinstall ubuntu just cause I can't get grub to reinstall.
[11:37] <eedge> is their some way to partially reinstall?
[11:37] <wastrel> mamefan:  that's it thx..  hmm kde oh well
[11:37] <tahorg> mmm, how much space do I need to mirror breezy + dapper packages ?
[11:37] <marcelo> he has been estavel?
[11:37] <tahorg> marcelo: stable :)
[11:37] <NickGarvey> I think you can install grub without reinstalling your os
[11:37] <tahorg> marcelo: seu portuglish
[11:38] <iamtim> Thanks. Is there ANY way to remove diskmounter script once run?
[11:38] <theking_2100> soundray  because i want to install my wifi usb card and i learned that i should use ndiswrapper to install my drivers
[11:38] <Zoroaster> Where can I get themes for gnome?
[11:38] <soundray> mamefan, I'm pretty sure _mindspin is on PPPoE -- I know the provider (T-Online, right _mindspin?)
[11:38] <mamefan> www.gnome-look.org
[11:38] <_mindspin> yup
[11:38] <theking_2100> but i don't know how to do to install it
[11:38] <_mindspin> here in germany it's almost pppoe
[11:39] <marcelo> hehehe
[11:39] <eedge> art.gnome.org as well.
[11:39] <soundray> theking_2100, have you tried plugging it in and see whether Ubuntu recognizes it?
[11:39] <theking_2100> yep
[11:40] <mamefan> Usually the DSL connection protocol is irrelevant to the OS (unless your using an internal DSL modem).
[11:40] <soundray> theking_2100, what happens?
[11:40] <Zoroaster> mamefan, thanks, that helped me find what I was looking for - gnome-look I think
[11:40] <theking_2100> nothing lol
[11:40] <mamefan> Most DSL modems are external and either bridge or NAT.
[11:40] <marcelo> which type of application this twirling in the server, data, server web?
[11:41] <soundray> theking_2100, when you open System-Administration-Networking, what interfaces are in the list?
[11:41] <eedge> is there any explaination of why grub would return cannot read correctly for stage1 when it is readable as I can find it, and see it myself and where the filesystem is correct?
[11:41] <theking_2100> it's appears in the device manager
[11:41] <theking_2100> thats all
[11:41] <soundray> theking_2100, when you open System-Administration-Networking, what interfaces are in the list?
[11:42] <soundray> theking_2100, eth0? ppp0? Anything else?
[11:42] <theking_2100> nop
[11:42] <soundray> theking_2100, what interfaces do you see under Connections?
[11:42] <theking_2100> etho and loopback
[11:43] <soundray> theking_2100, and when you plug the USB Wifi adapter in?
[11:43] <Zoroaster> I installed "gnome-backgrounds", but how do I call it up, its an app right?
[11:43] <theking_2100> doesn't chage any thing
[11:44] <jag_fsf> does /tmp have some magic fu on it that makes it noexec regardless of how it's mounted? i'm getting "failed to map segment from shared object: Operation not permitted" when trying to load an .so from /tmp, and the only other time i've seen this error is when /tmp is mounted noexec...
[11:44] <mamefan> Zoroaster:  nope.  It's just backgrounds.
[11:44] <soundray> theking_2100, close and re-open the Network settings pls.
[11:44] <Seveas> !find libxpm dapper
[11:44] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'libxpm' (3 shown): libxpm-dev ;; libxpm4 ;; libxpm4-dbg.
[11:44] <soundray> Zoroaster, right click on the background, last item in menu.
[11:44] <eedge> is there any explaination of why grub would return cannot read correctly for stage1 when it is readable as I can find it, and see it myself and where the filesystem is correct?
[11:44] <Seveas> !info libxpm4 dapper
[11:44] <marcelo> ei tahorg  is Brazilian?  tested ubuntu 6.04?
[11:44] <ubotu> libxpm4: (X11 pixmap library), section libs, is optional. Version: 1:<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu2 (dapper), Packaged size: 31 kB, Installed size: 128 kB
[11:44] <eedge> just trying to troubleshoot my problem.
[11:44] <harritj> theking_2100 'dmesg' & post output after you have plugged in the usb dongle
[11:45] <phiber_optic> where can I check the rsa key for ssh?
[11:45] <tahorg> marcelo: estou usando
[11:45] <eedge> because I dont even have the slightly comprehention of why its not working.
[11:45] <Zoroaster> look I recently relapsed and started using windows so sorry about all the questions, I'm all better now
[11:45] <theking_2100> soundray nothing
[11:45] <soundray> harritj, slowly. He's been on Linux for two hours.
[11:46] <zF> Question
[11:46] <CarlFK> is there an rsync addr for dapper-server?  this daily shoudl be called yesterdaily at the rate is is going: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/dapper-install-i386.iso
[11:46] <zF> When I ./configure
[11:46] <zF> make
[11:46] <zF> make install
[11:46] <theking_2100> harritj what? lol
[11:46] <zF> Where does the install files typically go?
[11:46] <harritj> ohhh heh, ok, well it would still make alot more sense to us getting that output rather than a 'notn'
[11:46] <zF> I've never compiled much stuff from source.
[11:46] <jag_fsf> zF: depends on the software
[11:46] <theking_2100> soundray thx for your help
[11:46] <_jason> zF: don't use make install, use checkinstall
[11:46] <Zoroaster> I could have sworn that the last time I ran Ubuntu, I had installed an app, or package, that gave me lots of cool backgrounds to choose from
[11:46] <marcelo> tahorg: de onde vc  cara ?
[11:46] <soundray> theking_2100, okay, it's ndiswrapper then.
[11:46] <jag_fsf> zF: often /usr/*, sometimes /usr/local/*
[11:46] <tahorg> marcelo: curitiba - pr
[11:46] <CarlFK> zF: /usr/bin is a common place
[11:47] <marcelo> ai vc instalou pelo cd mesmo ? ou usou apt ?
[11:47] <_jason> zF: you need to install it though, sudo apt-get install checkinstall.  That way the package manager handles the file and you can see exactly where everything went with dpkg -L packagename
[11:47] <theking_2100> so ?? to install it what i should do?
[11:47] <harritj> theking_2100  what usb wifi adapter is it?
[11:47] <zF> _jason, that seems more intelligent, I'll do that
[11:47] <Seveas> marcelo, tahorg please stick to english in here....
[11:47] <mamefan> Zoroaster:  gnome-themes?
[11:47] <soundray> theking_2100, open System-Administration-Synaptic
[11:47] <Scarborough> should I change from gnome to kde?
[11:47] <zF> do I still ./configure
[11:47] <zF> make
[11:47] <zF> and then checkinstall
[11:47] <Ktron> Anyone here who has run World of Warcraft under ubuntu?
[11:47] <_jason> zF: yeah, except sudo checkinstall
[11:48] <zF> Right.
[11:48] <mamefan> gnome-themes-extras
[11:48] <theking_2100> it's inventel  11mb
[11:48] <NickGarvey> mm I think WoW would be a bit hard to run under wine..
[11:48] <Ktron> And if I install 64-bit ubuntu, will wine act as a 32-bit windows emulator?
[11:48] <tahorg> Seveas: ok no problem
[11:48] <NickGarvey> never tried it but I really doubt it...
[11:48] <mamefan> Ktron: not on IA64.
[11:48] <theking_2100> model ur012i
[11:48] <mamefan> Tried it and failed.
[11:48] <jag_fsf> does /tmp have some magic fu on it that makes it noexec regardless of how it's mounted? i'm getting "failed to map segment from shared object: Operation not permitted" when trying to load an .so from /tmp, and the only other time i've seen this error is when /tmp is mounted noexec...
[11:48] <harritj> theking_2100  thats a atmel chipset.. supported, but might not be included in the ubuntu distro.
[11:48] <Ktron> NickGarvey; I know a lot of people who do it, just not anyone whose done it with ubuntu
[11:49] <Tomcat_> Ktron: I read somewhere that wine won't even compile on 64-bit... but not sure about that.
[11:49] <Ktron> Tomcat_; I'm not sure either
[11:49] <Zoroaster> mamefan, I'll look into that, it's not that important
[11:49] <esd_lnx> my time stamps seems not working :/   but its click?
[11:49] <soundray> Tomcat_, there is a 64-bit Wine now, apparently.
[11:49] <harritj> 'atmel-firmware' && 'at76c503a-source' ...
[11:49] <zF> _jason, some serious errors just went down
[11:50] <wastrel> Ktron:  i reboot for it :/  only reason i still have a 'doze partition.
[11:50] <mamefan> soundray:  not for IA64 :-(
[11:50] <theking_2100> i know that there no driver for linux so i found out that i should install and run ndiswrapper 1.10
[11:50] <eedge> Hey, does anyone know any other methods for restoring grub other than those listed on the wiki?
[11:50] <zF> in the source directory, I ran. "./configure", "make", and then "sudo checkinstall", and apparently it didn't work correctly.
[11:50] <Ktron> wastrel; alright, thanks, same to everyone else too
[11:50] <theking_2100> but i don't know how to install it
[11:50] <soundray> mamefan, I prefer beer anyway.
[11:50] <harritj> theking_2100 if it is indeed an inventel, then it has atmel chipset, which _is_ supported
[11:50] <phiber_optic> where is the path to get my public rsa key for ssh?
[11:50] <wastrel> Ktron:  i would try but my laptop couldn't handle wow under wine ;]   barely handles wow under windows
[11:50] <soundray> theking_2100, have you opened synaptic?
[11:50] <theking_2100> yep
[11:50] <mamefan> soundray: ?
[11:51] <_jason> zF: what were the errors?
[11:51] <soundray> mamefan, to wine ;)
[11:51] <soundray> theking_2100, in Settings-Repositories,... sorry telephone
[11:51] <mamefan> Ahh, maybe I should poor beer on my IA64s.  Couln't hurt.
[11:51] <theking_2100> soundray np
[11:52] <trappist> mamefan: pour
[11:52] <alien9391> How to restart x?
[11:52] <mamefan> yeah, i'm stupid.
[11:52] <eedge> Hey, does anyone know any other methods for restoring grub other than those listed on the wiki? Or if not any other possibility to get access back onto my ubuntu?
[11:52] <mamefan> I'm normally the spelling police.
[11:52] <trappist> mamefan: awesome
[11:52] <eedge> I've tried various bootdisks and bootmagic etc, they just freeze when I try to boot the partition.
[11:52] <nickrud> alien9391: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart (assuming you're using ubuntu)
[11:53] <zF> _jason, http://pastebin.com/565866
[11:53] <trappist> mamefan: maybe I'll run across you late one night as I prowl the streets with my paint can and apostrophe-shaped stencil
[11:53] <relachs> does anyone know if centrino have HT technology?
[11:53] <wastrel> eedge:  you mean mount the partition?
[11:53] <alien9391> nickrud : thx
[11:53] <marcelo> ok ok
[11:53] <asymmetry> relachs, no, to my knowledge, thats a p4 and later feature
[11:53] <pmj> I need to burn several 4GB+ files to DVD, but GnomeBaker (mkisofs) tells me they're too large. What should I do?
[11:53] <wastrel> eedge:  can you mount the disk from your bootdisk?  the partition/disk isn't toast?
[11:53] <_jason> zF: you have build-essential?  and what are you installing?
[11:53] <rem_> how do you install the dictionnary for another language for openoffice ? (I did apt-get install it, but I dont have it in OO)
[11:53] <harritj> pmj shrink em a little ;)
[11:54] <theking_2100> soundray i found ndiswrapper-utils in synaptic i m installing it
[11:54] <zF> _jason, yes, I do - I'm install nmap 4.01
[11:54] <pmj> harritj: they're not too large to fit on the DVD, but apparently too large for the filesystem or something. Shrinking them is not an option
[11:54] <relachs> asymmetry, yes, but centrino came later than p4, also there are centrino on the market named Centrino II
[11:54] <nickrud> pmj:  k3b (kde, I know)
[11:54] <trappist> <3 k3b
[11:54] <rem_> is there anything more to do ..?
[11:54] <asymmetry> relachs, oh, centrino... read celeron (really tired)
[11:54] <phiber_optic> Im trying to remote desktop to my computer and it tells me that the RSA key is not the same, that it has been changed. Where can I get this RSA key?
[11:54] <pmj> yes, I really don't want to install k3b unless I absolutely have to
[11:54] <asymmetry> relachs, i can look it up
[11:55] <harritj> you tried growisofs?
[11:55] <nickrud> pmj: k3b is the best option you have, really.
[11:55] <soundray> theking_2100, well done. I told you it wouldn't take long ;)
[11:55] <rem_> i didnt want to install k3b, but I ended up doing it anyway ..:P
[11:55] <relachs> asymmetry, hehe
[11:55] <eedge> no. I can mount hda4 (the linux partition) from a live CD.
[11:55] <trappist> phiber_optic: try ~/.ssh/known_hosts
[11:55] <_jason> zF: hrmm, I've enver gotten that.  You sure it compiled without errors?
[11:55] <eedge> wastrel, I tried other boot loaders though and I couldn't boot from hda4.
[11:56] <rem_> as well as kooka ... only 2 kde apps ...
[11:56] <eedge> but I can mount it under a live cd.
[11:56] <rem_> how do you install the dictionnary for another language for openoffice ? (I did apt-get install it, but I dont have it in OO)
[11:56] <eedge> and read the files grub-install says it can't read.
[11:56] <rem_> is there anything more to do ..?
[11:56] <marcelo> by by word
[11:56] <mamefan> rem_: you let the camel in and you'll never get him out.
[11:56] <zF> _jason, yep.
[11:56] <rem_> lol
[11:56] <asymmetry> relachs, yes, some centrinos have ht - techbuilder.org article dated 29 Sept 2004 describes it, so id imagine anything much later than that has it - how fast is the processor in question?>
[11:56] <harritj> pmj personally I use growisofs only when burning dvds.. never had a problem as long as the iso's are in fact within size
[11:57] <phiber_optic> trappist I see a lot letters which will be my ikey?
[11:57] <relachs> 1.7Ghz Centrino II
[11:57] <pmj> harritj: I'll try that then
[11:57] <xnull> how much is a p3 laptop?
[11:57] <_jason> zF: let me try
[11:57] <wastrel> eedge:  have you tried giving grub explicit boot parameters about where to find this disk?
[11:57] <benplaut> are the US repos down?
[11:57] <mamefan> xnull:  I'll sell you mine for $300 (US)
[11:57] <thenuke> xnull: how much is a fish?
[11:57] <theking_2100> soundray now it's says it install where do i find it or should i just try to run mo driver cd
[11:57] <wastrel> eedge:  i assume it's looking for the /boot partition?
[11:58] <eedge> no, its been completely whiped off the mbr.
[11:58] <xnull> mamefan: p3 dont know for sure : from where are you?
[11:58] <mamefan> thenuke:  I'll sell you mine for $13 (US) it's a rainbow trout.
[11:58] <xnull> memfan:
[11:58] <eedge> at the moment its booting straight to the old windows partition.
[11:58] <mamefan> xnull:  you're better off prowling eBay than asking here.  I retract my offer.
[11:59] <asymmetry> relachs, not too sure on that one - id imagine that if the centrinos have it, that the centrino 2s do too, easiest way to tell is load it up in an smp-capable kernel/os and see if it reports two processors
[11:59] <relachs> asymmetry, hehe if i only had one ;)
[11:59] <zF> hrmmm
[11:59] <eedge> wastel, I'm looking at how I can completely reinstall grub onto the mbr.
[11:59] <eedge> well, I assume thats what I have to do.
[12:00] <wastrel> eedge:  have you tried this one:   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows?action=show&redirect=RecoveringGrub