  Hee hee
[01:31] <nixternal> the old way was easier because I had a command line script that took me 2 seconds
[01:31] <tyche> I hate Google for everything but search.  But the alternative, for me, was rediculous.
[01:31] <nixternal> ya, I hear you there
[01:31] <nixternal> now I will have to modify my script to run with google calendar
[01:32] <nixternal> this little speal made me miss my train, now I have to wait another hour
[01:32] <tyche> And for a while, I was dealing with 2 calendars, because I was the one trying to keep the Fridge version up to date.
[01:32]  * nixternal kicks cody-somerville in the shins
[01:32]  * tyche runs
[01:32] <nixternal> muhahah
[01:32] <nixternal> I might as well go out to dinner if I am not going home anytime soon
[01:32] <cody-somerville> nixternal, Just put it in your time
[01:32] <cody-somerville> nixternal, and now it'll automagically be in the right time zone for eveyrone
[01:33] <nixternal> I know...just wanted to bust your balls :)
[01:33] <cody-somerville> :)
[01:33] <tyche> Ouch
[01:33] <nixternal> went to use my script and it told me NO!
[01:33]  * cody-somerville purrs.
[01:33] <nixternal> I don't like being told no :p
[01:33] <nixternal> especially from something I told what to do :p
[01:33] <tyche> Welcome to adulthood.
[01:34] <tyche> Now me?  I prefer the Peter Pan Principle.
[01:34] <nixternal> hey, does that mean anyone can add an event?
[01:34] <tyche> "I'll never grow up"
[01:34] <cody-somerville> nixternal, theoretically
[01:34] <nixternal> ahh, OK
[01:34] <tyche> nixternal: Watch it!  you'll start liking the idea.
[01:34] <nixternal> so someone will have to do some adminining from time to time possibly?
[01:35] <cody-somerville> nixternal, I imagine
[01:35] <nixternal> tyche: I like the idea I can setup pron meetings :)
[01:35] <tyche> I wouldn't know about those. I'm sweet and innocent (QUIT COUGHING, there, in the background)
[01:38] <cody-somerville> I don't think I've ever attend a pron meeting
[01:38] <tyche> Ah.  Solo vices, eh?
[01:40] <cody-somerville> :]
[16:52] <Tumie> tyche, bordandblogging, johnc4510: i think you are watching obama now ?
[16:52] <Tumie> boredandblogging
[16:53] <Tumie> i'm watching it on CNN..


[06:32] <inetpro> good morning
[06:37] <Private_User> morning inetpro
[06:38] <inetpro> heh Private_User, looks like you and bushtech are struggling
[06:40] <bushtech> Heh inetpro, still busy fighting with Vodacom
[06:40] <inetpro> what are they saying?
[06:40] <bushtech> kilos, yes, from windows pc
[06:41] <inetpro> bushtech: Kilos still sleeping
[06:42] <bushtech> according to them they will be sending my network query to their Radio Planners for further investigation
[06:43] <bushtech> Ah yes, bushtech needs more cofee
[06:55] <Kilos> morning all
[07:09] <Kilos> hi captine
[07:10] <captine> hi there
[08:12] <Kilos> oh my
[08:12] <Golynx> hi Kilos
[08:12] <Kilos> hi Golynx
[08:13] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey
[08:14] <Symmetria> lol
[08:14] <Symmetria> I am such an idiot
[08:14] <Symmetria> I was trying to raid a bunch of disks in the bios
[08:14] <Symmetria> selected the wrong disk
[08:14] <Symmetria> goodbye operating system drive ;p
[08:14]  * Symmetria reinstalls all over again
[08:14] <Kilos> ai!
[08:15] <Symmetria> heh kinda needed to reinstall anyway to move the operating systme onto an SSD so oh well
[08:15] <Symmetria> ;p
[10:07] <charl_> good afternoon
[10:07] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[10:07]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[10:11] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[10:12] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[10:12] <Maaz> charl_: No problem
[10:14] <Golynx> hi charl_
[10:14] <charl_> hi Golynx
[10:46] <charl_> hi Wraz
[11:07] <Kilos> hi charl_
[11:08] <charl_> hi Kilos
[16:23] <smile> hi :p
[16:25] <charl_> hi smile
[16:25] <charl_> how's it going in belgium
[16:26] <smile> great :p how are you? :p
[16:26] <smile> the sun is shining :)
[16:28] <charl_> yes here too !
[16:28] <charl_> i am so happy, this past week we had mist and rain
[16:28] <charl_> and now the weather is great outside
[16:28] <charl_> i'm doing well otherwise, really busy with cool projects
[16:28] <charl_> spring web services and dnssec
[16:28] <charl_> dataverse networks and other stuff
[16:29] <charl_> just joined the dnssec group on linkedin now
[16:30] <charl_> spring web services is also really great though, you get to build endpoints behind various interceptors that do things like XSD validation, XSLT transformations, soap envelope logging
[16:31] <charl_> i'm just not happy with the containers we're using right now (tomcat, weblogic)
[16:31] <charl_> i've been looking at wildfly/undertow which is looking much better right now ...
[16:32] <smile> charl_: :o
[16:32]  * smile overflows with info :)
[16:32] <charl_> :)
[16:33] <charl_> we're basically busy building a type of SOA environment with a combination of spring web services and pentaho data integrator (kettle)
[16:35] <charl_> the alternative to pentaho is BODS but that's from SAP
[16:36] <theblazehen> Hai
[16:36] <charl_> hi theblazehen
[18:07] <Kilos> hi superfly  inetpro  theblazehen  smile  and all others too
[18:07] <smile> hi Kilos :p
[18:07] <theblazehen> hi Kilos
[18:07] <inetpro> good morning Kilos
[18:08] <inetpro> waar loop jy rond?
[18:08] <Kilos> hee hee
[18:08] <Kilos> ek werk baie hard
[18:08] <Kilos> i really hate windows
[18:08] <inetpro> ai!
[18:08] <Kilos> installed xp sp3  then installed red alert and game just starts and pc hangs
[18:09] <Kilos> ai!
[18:09] <Kilos> i watched 3 games of rugger today as well
[18:10] <inetpro> and you call all that working?
[18:10] <Kilos> kde 14.04 ran here all day and modem didnt disconnect once
[18:10] <Kilos> and i dug dubbletjies
[18:10] <Kilos> doing anything on windows is major work
[18:12] <inetpro> ai!
[18:12] <inetpro> don't stress too much when you don't see me tomorrow afternoon
[18:12] <Kilos> its really unreal
[18:13] <Kilos> where you going gussie
[18:13] <inetpro> have to shutdown again
[18:13] <Kilos> ai! again?
[18:13] <inetpro> they making it into a permanent fix tomorrow
[18:13] <Kilos> bad as windows you peeps are
[18:13] <Kilos> aha
[18:13] <Kilos> well good luck
[18:14] <inetpro> not sure what took them so long the other day but I guess it just has to be done properly
[18:14] <Kilos> i start the game and it says critical disk space shortage
[18:14] <Kilos> but only 4g used on a 40g drive
[18:15] <Kilos> well hibana can still visit so all good
[18:15] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:16]  * inetpro will ask hibana to connect
[18:16] <Kilos> cool
[18:17] <inetpro> but not the whole time
[18:17] <Kilos> i like hibana he helped me lots when i was still super doff
[18:17] <Kilos> now just plain doff
[18:17] <inetpro> lol
[18:18] <Kilos> oi the fly ran away
[18:19] <Kilos> didnt even greet
[18:19] <Kilos> grrrr
[18:26] <Kilos> hmm... ander nuwe pap op die mark
[18:27] <Kilos> maak in 6 minute gaar
[18:33] <Kilos> mielie meel nie kits pap nie
[18:48] <inetpro> sjoe
[18:48] <inetpro> kan mens dit eet?
[18:49] <inetpro> die lekkerste pap is daai ene wat 'n uur lank stadig op die stoof prut
[18:49] <inetpro> hy praat met jou en jy ruik hom van vêr
[18:50] <inetpro> Kilos: waar kry jy daai 6 minute pap?
[18:51] <Kilos> wag ek check
[18:51] <charl_> hi inetpro
[18:51] <inetpro> hi charl_
[18:52] <Kilos> its called ace quick cook super maize meal
[18:52] <Kilos> en sus se by checkers
[18:53] <Kilos> just up your street
[18:54] <Kilos> this is a 2.5kg packet
[18:58] <inetpro> Ace Quick Cook Super Maize Meal launched on 3 Dec 2013
[19:01] <inetpro> Kilos: ai!
[19:01] <inetpro> a porridge to save electricity, what's next?
[19:01] <Kilos> yeah
[19:01] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:01] <Kilos> it cooks so quick that sus didnt burn the bottom even
[19:01] <Kilos> haha
[19:07] <Kilos> tastes good too
[19:12] <Kilos> hmm... even lekker with sugar on i
[19:12] <Kilos> it
[19:14] <smile> see ya :p
[19:32] <Kilos> can one of you tablet owners tell me how to watch sabc tv2 online with a tablet please
[19:33] <Kilos> sis going to south west for a holiday by her daughter and wants to watch sewende laan
[19:37] <Kilos> they have wifi so thats not a prob
[19:50] <theblazehen> Kilos: No DSTV drifta?
[19:50] <theblazehen> Otherwise you can proably getr a cheap TV tuner, use it with VLC
[19:51] <Kilos> nope she just has an android tablet
[19:51] <Kilos> and not very clued up technically
[19:51] <theblazehen> DVB-H receiver on it?
[19:52] <Kilos> only wireless i think
[19:52] <Kilos> uses all google apps or something
[19:53] <theblazehen> http://www.myeasytv.com/country/south-africa/sabc-2 ?
[19:54] <Kilos> hmm... i looked there but didnt know what to do from there for her.
[19:54] <Kilos> will it work in south west
[19:56] <Kilos> i gave her that link ty theblazehen
[20:06] <theblazehen> Should if there is internet. Will need flash player I think
[20:06] <theblazehen> Hopefully old tablet
[20:07] <Kilos> 1 year
[20:08] <Kilos> anyway i gave her 3 links to try out. she says she tried the myeasy tv one already and it didnt work
[20:08] <Kilos> i give up
[20:08] <Kilos> dont worry
[20:09] <theblazehen> kk
[20:12] <Kilos> sleep tight all of ya. i go crash now


[00:00]  * flan kinda liked having all the apt commands grouped under one utilitiy.
[00:00] <flan> -i
[00:36] <humphreybc> Hi everyone
[00:36] <Muscovy> Hello.
[00:36] <humphreybc> time to see if I can pull a fresh branch and test our installation instructions
[00:36] <humphreybc> because I have totally forgotten how to use bzr :P
[00:37] <Muscovy> It took me a while to discover a few vital features.
[00:37] <Muscovy> Like bzr add. :P
[00:37] <humphreybc> godbyk: are you there? how can I check if I have the correct version of latex installed?
[00:39] <Muscovy> I think the pkgs/install-pkgs.sh does that.
[00:39] <humphreybc> in the branch?
[00:39] <humphreybc> okay
[00:39] <humphreybc> and we're still working in lp:ubuntu-manual?
[00:39] <humphreybc> not lp:ubuntu-manual/maverick or something?
[00:40] <Muscovy> Maverick branch is lp:ubuntu-manual.
[00:40] <humphreybc>  great
[00:40] <humphreybc> so it is :D
[00:40] <humphreybc> I've got my coffee and last night's pizza ready to be re-heated for lunch
[00:41] <humphreybc> some nice music playing, all ready to start working through these 172 pages of text :D
[00:43] <humphreybc> hey banshee gapless playback is working all of a sudden
[00:49] <humphreybc> mint!
[00:49] <humphreybc> took like 10 seconds to branch
[00:49] <humphreybc> everything installed except one thing which the script installed :D
[00:49] <humphreybc> this is better than I remember :D
[00:49] <Muscovy> Just in case you didn't know, manual doesn't compile currently.
[00:49] <Muscovy> So if you try, it's probably not your edit.
[00:50] <humphreybc> okay
[00:50] <humphreybc> cool
[00:50] <humphreybc> thanks :)
[00:51] <godbyk> humphreybc: yeah, I'm here.
[00:51] <humphreybc> sweet
[00:52] <humphreybc> i've got the latest branch
[00:52] <humphreybc> going to burn through these open bugs firstr
[00:52] <godbyk> run "xelatex --version".  It should say "XeTeX 3.1415926-2.2-0.9995.2 (TeX Live 2009)".
[00:52] <humphreybc> then I'll start making edits for maverick
[00:52] <humphreybc> yup, all good
[00:53] <Muscovy> Does Maverick have the right version of Tex, anyone know?
[00:54] <godbyk> Muscovy: I'm not sure if it does or not.
[00:54] <flan> I'm installing it now.
[00:55] <humphreybc> THANK GOD Launchpad has fixed a heap of things so overlays come up when changing bug details instead of loading new pages!!
[00:57] <godbyk> looks like the PPA glossary entry hasn't been defined.
[00:57] <godbyk> Someone misspelled \marginnote.
[00:58] <flan> xelatex --version looks correct, numerically.
[00:58] <flan> The string devates a little, though, saying TeX Live 2009/Debian.
[00:59] <humphreybc> godbyk: could you do us a favour and fix the compile errors so it will compile for me to test?
[00:59] <godbyk> I'm working on it.
[01:00] <humphreybc> okay
[01:00] <humphreybc> i'm going to push my changes
[01:00] <humphreybc> let me try and remember how :P
[01:00] <godbyk> flan: I think that the Lucid packages were missing some required TeX Live packages. I don't know if they're in the Maverick packages now or not.
[01:00] <humphreybc> walk me through so I don't cock it up
[01:00] <godbyk> humphreybc: don't push your changes yet.
[01:00] <godbyk> gimme just a sec.
[01:00] <humphreybc> kay
[01:00] <flan> godbyk, is there a simple command sequence I could use to test?
[01:01] <Muscovy> flan: compiling lucid-e2 might be a good trial-by-fire.
[01:01] <flan> Muscovy, I've never compiled the manual before, so I'm not sure where to start.
[01:02] <humphreybc> guys, have a look at this bug report and the comment I added and tell me what you think
[01:02] <humphreybc> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+bug/584537
[01:02] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 584537 in ubuntu-manual "notification area is/will be obsolete" [Low,Confirmed]
[01:05] <Muscovy> I think that looks good.
[01:05] <Muscovy> Besides, other than intended phasing out, not much is really happening yet.
[01:06] <Muscovy> flan: Have you run pkgs/install-pkgs.sh?
[01:06] <Muscovy> Once you do that, and you're theoretically all set up, compiling is just make ubuntu-manual-en_US.pdf (in the main directory).
[01:06] <godbyk> humphreybc: Okay, the PDF should build okay now.
[01:06] <humphreybc> okay
[01:06] <godbyk> humphreybc: you'll have to run bzr pull to grab the changes.
[01:06] <humphreybc> let me pull
[01:07] <godbyk> then you can commit and push your changes.
[01:07] <flan> Muscovy, which branch do I need?
[01:08] <humphreybc> what the bzr shortcut to mark bugs as fix committed?
[01:08] <humphreybc> --fixes-bugs or something?
[01:09] <godbyk> humphreybc: I never remember.
[01:09] <humphreybc> darn
[01:11] <Muscovy> flan: lp:ubuntu-manual/lucid-e2 for a compile test.
[01:11] <nigelb> humphreybc: --fixes=1234
[01:11] <Muscovy> Since the main branch doesn't compile right now.
[01:11] <humphreybc> nigelb: how do I do multiple bugs?
[01:11] <humphreybc> godbyk: main branch still not compiling
[01:11] <humphreybc> unless I broke it
[01:12] <nigelb> no clue :D
[01:12] <nigelb> ideally, one commit should be fixing one bug (commit often?) :D
[01:12] <humphreybc> godbyk: what does the \gls command do?
[01:12] <flan> Bazaar's spewing host key validation errors at my Maverick box.
[01:12] <godbyk> humphreybc: Creates a cross-link to the glossary entry.
[01:13] <humphreybc> ah, that's why it wasn't working
[01:13] <Muscovy> flan: Have you got your/an SSH key?
[01:13] <humphreybc> takes a while to compile nowadays huh :P
[01:14] <humphreybc> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+bugs :D
[01:14] <flan> Muscovy, of course. The only thing I can think of is that I'd need to be a member of the manual project itself to be able to pull this branch.
[01:14] <humphreybc> can we get the remaining four bugs sorted today?
[01:14] <flan> (I'm associated through Quickshot)
[01:15] <Muscovy> To be honest, I didn't know people needed to login at all to get branches.
[01:15] <humphreybc> great
[01:16] <humphreybc> who's got the link to that etherpad?
[01:16] <flan> Neither did I.
[01:17] <humphreybc> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/ump-maverick
[01:22] <Muscovy> Gah, my inbox is filling with the manual's bug reports. XD
[01:23] <humphreybc> :D
[01:30] <humphreybc> anyone recently installed maverick?
[01:30] <godbyk> I haven't installed it at all yet.
[01:31] <humphreybc> you should :)
[01:33] <Muscovy> I've got a partition.
[01:33] <Muscovy> I use it on and off.
[01:33] <Muscovy> It's temping to just use it, but beta wackiness drives me nutty.
[01:35] <humphreybc> I've been using maverick since alpha (a dodgy upgrade from Lucid no less!) and it's been stable as a rock
[01:36] <flan> I installed the beta in VirtualBox today.
[01:37] <flan> (So I can test Quickshot functionality tomorrow)
[01:37] <humphreybc> great
[01:37] <humphreybc> flan: is the clock indicator default?
[01:37] <flan> The what now?
[01:37] <humphreybc> go to the clock in the panel
[01:37] <flan> And do what?
[01:37] <humphreybc> is it an indicator (ie, left click opens it up, consistent with the memenu, shutdown and shit)
[01:38] <humphreybc> right click should display a menu saying "remove from panel" and other crap
[01:38] <flan> Left-click brings up the calendar view, same as it's always done.
[01:38] <flan> Same as I hope it always does.
[01:38] <humphreybc> right click?
[01:38] <humphreybc> can you "scroll" through all of the indicators (like volume, messaging, clock, memenu, session menu) ?
[01:38] <humphreybc> if you open one and move across
[01:39] <flan> No. The clock is different from the rest.
[01:39] <flan> It still uses Karmic-style colours.
[01:39] <flan> It's the same docklet as it's been for years.
[01:40] <humphreybc> :(
[01:40] <humphreybc> I guess they're not putting it on the desktop till Natty then
[01:41] <godbyk> Shouldn't manualbot tell us when things have been committed to the repository?
[01:47] <humphreybc> it should
[01:47] <humphreybc> back in about an hour, getting lunch
[01:48] <godbyk> k
[01:48] <daker> godbyk, have you installed django on the server ?
[01:49] <godbyk> daker: I think I have an old version on there.
[01:49] <daker> which one ?
[01:50] <godbyk> Let me look
[01:54] <daker> godbyk, food time
[02:37] <flan> Muscovy, the Maverick TeX Live packages seem to be unable to find things like xifthen.sty and xkeyval.sty.
[02:41] <Muscovy> Someone really ought to update it. :|
[02:42] <Muscovy> Actually, I'm surprised the manual doesn't have a Tex PPA or something.
[02:49] <humphreybc> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+milestone/ubuntu-manual-maverick-alpha
[02:49] <humphreybc> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+milestone/ubuntu-manual-maverick-rc
[02:49] <humphreybc> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+milestone/ubuntu-manual-maverick-final
[02:59] <godbyk> Muscovy: We do have a TeX PPA.  But I think it's offline at the moment.
[03:02] <Muscovy> Offline as in outdated or as in Launchpad is moody?
[03:03] <godbyk> I think the latter two.
[03:04] <godbyk> jenkins is the one to ask about it. He's the one who set up the PPA.
[03:04] <Muscovy> Both?
[03:05] <humphreybc> godbyk: I assigned a few bugs to you btw :)
[03:05] <godbyk> humphreybc: Gee, thanks!  :-)
[03:05] <humphreybc> when you install Maverick (which will be very soon hopefully) can you take notes on the new installer?
[03:05] <humphreybc> it hasn't landed just yet though
[03:05] <humphreybc> http://dylanmccall.blogspot.com/2010/09/new-installer-slideshow-for-ubuntu.html
[03:05] <godbyk> Yeah, I can do that when the installer lands.
[03:06] <humphreybc> lp:ubuntu-manual-website is working, right?
[03:07] <godbyk> humphreybc: should be.
[03:07] <humphreybc> y'know, it's not actually the end of the world if we release the manual AFTER Maverick comes out
[03:07] <humphreybc> of course it's ideal to coincide with the release
[03:08] <humphreybc> but manuals for OSes usually come out long after the OS is released
[03:08] <humphreybc> (probably because other OSes are proprietary)
[03:08] <godbyk> we may have to depending on when all the UI updates finally land.
[03:08] <godbyk> (They won't stop changing things on us.)
[03:08] <humphreybc> yeah
[03:08] <humphreybc> so much for the UI freeze
[03:08] <Muscovy> I think we should aim for as-close-as-possible.
[03:09] <humphreybc> I'm struggling to actually figure out what needs to be changed text wise
[03:09] <humphreybc> for bugs like this
[03:09] <humphreybc> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+bug/630548
[03:09] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 630548 in ubuntu-manual "MeMenu, sound menu and messaging menu changes" [High,Confirmed]
[03:12] <godbyk> you'll have to read through that section of the manual and see if anything no longer holds true with the new menus.
[03:17] <humphreybc> fixing the f-spot / shotwell thing atm
[03:35] <humphreybc> godbyk: how do I do bullet points again?
[03:36] <godbyk>  \begin{itemize} \item blah \item blah \end{itemize}
[03:37] <humphreybc> thanks
[03:38] <humphreybc> how would you explain "tint" for an image?
[03:38] <humphreybc> Saturation is "how colorful the image is"
[03:38] <humphreybc> tint is...?
[03:39] <humphreybc> what's the command for bold?
[03:39] <godbyk> humphreybc: bold for what, specifically?
[03:39] <humphreybc> and for an emdash?
[03:39] <godbyk> dash is \dash
[03:40] <humphreybc> i'm listing the options under "Adjust" - levls, exposure, saturation, tint, temp etc etc. I want to bold the names of each thing and then have a very short description beside them
[03:40] <godbyk> Use \begin{description} \item[Levels} blah blah \item[Exposure] blah blah \end{description}
[03:41] <humphreybc> huh?
[03:41] <humphreybc> oh ok
[03:41] <humphreybc> description for tint?
[03:42] <godbyk> you're on your own there.
[03:42] <Muscovy> General colour scheme maybe?
[03:42] <humphreybc> http://trac.yorba.org/wiki/UsingShotwell0.7
[03:43] <Muscovy> I'd image that means basically adding a really page colour overlay.
[03:43] <Muscovy> Like saturation but not just greyscaled?
[03:50] <humphreybc> okay
[03:50] <humphreybc> if someone wants to go through the shotwell stuff and have a look at the changes, i'd be grateful
[03:51] <Muscovy> Just make a list or something?
[03:51] <humphreybc> comment on the bug report
[03:51] <Muscovy> Ah.
[03:51] <humphreybc> :)
[03:51] <humphreybc> or alternatively, just make changes
[03:52] <Muscovy> I could help, but I don't feel like using Shotwell for an hour.
[03:53] <humphreybc> neither do I, but has to be done :D
[03:53] <godbyk> This project is hard work. Who's dumb idea was this anyway?!  ;-)
[03:53] <humphreybc> heh
[03:54] <humphreybc> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+bugs?search=Search&field.importance=High&field.status=New&field.status=Incomplete&field.status=Confirmed&field.status=Triaged&field.status=In+Progress&field.status=Fix+Committed
[03:54] <Muscovy> It must be cool to look back at when it was just an idea.
[03:54] <humphreybc> those are the most important
[03:54] <humphreybc> Muscovy: you should see the original manual from open office :P
[03:55] <Muscovy> I've assigned myself to Software Centre stuff, since I've already been working on that.
[03:56] <humphreybc> yay
[03:57] <Muscovy> I'll stick to the Software Centre for now, but I'll probably play with Shotwell tomorrow.
[03:57] <humphreybc> :)
[03:57] <Muscovy> It's evening here and nearing reading time.
[04:04] <humphreybc> can we get manualbot telling us when people have pushed to the branch and their commit message?
[04:04] <humphreybc> it would be immensely helpful
[04:09] <godbyk> humphreybc: there's apparently a supybot bzr plugin.
[04:26] <godbyk> humphreybc: dude, you gotta stop adding revision.tex and screenshots.log files. :)
[04:27] <humphreybc> my bad :P
[04:28] <Muscovy> Is someone working on the cover?
[04:29] <godbyk> Muscovy: thorwil handles the covers.
[12:11] <dutchie> rev 10
[12:11] <manualbot> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/revision/10 | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual -r 10
[12:11] <dutchie> hmm
[17:01] <jenkins> flan: in glade id you go help > about > credits they have the e-mail's click able any idea how to do that with a normal text box/lable ?
[17:04] <flan> It might be a Pango markup property. I'm really not sure.
[17:04] <flan> I wouldn't worry too much about that detail.
[17:04] <flan> Figure it out if you have time.
[17:05] <jenkins> k I will look into it
[17:07] <jenkins> apart from adding the people into the credits windows is there anything elese you would liek me to do?
[17:07] <flan> Once credits and licence are done?
[17:08] <flan> Uh...
[17:08] <jenkins> I am trying to find one or two settings for to get those pages pefect
[17:09] <flan> Well, we're going to need much better logging coverage... And documentation...
[17:09] <jenkins> documentaion on how to use it?
[17:09] <flan> Think you can write good-sounding text that may be exposed to other developers?
[17:09] <flan> No, documentation of the code itself.
[17:09] <flan> We've got a lot of it.
[17:09] <flan> I was planning to do that after we have 0.9.x ready.
[17:10] <flan> BEcause of the crunch.
[17:10] <jenkins> I don't know what alot of the code does but I can have a read and see what makes sense
[17:10] <flan> If not, then environment_details contains a number of bugs.
[17:10] <flan> Like commands being expressed as strings, rather than sequences.
[17:11] <flan> Would you be comfortable wrapping, testing, and revising those functions?
[17:11] <flan> I should have screen-captures working again very soon.
[17:11] <flan> So we'll also need to test stuff.
[17:12] <jenkins> have you implimented the resolution changing stuff?
[17:12] <flan> No, not yet.
[17:12] <flan> I'm going to work backwards.
[17:12] <jenkins> k just wondering if it was failing for me :)
[17:13] <flan> If you want to write some basic functions thatll change and roll back the resolution and put them inot a new package inside of lib/, that would work.
[17:13] <flan> mkdir lib/resolution/
[17:13] <flan> touch lib/resolution/__init__.py
[17:13] <flan> Put stuff in there.
[17:13] <jenkins> ok I will do some work into how to get the origianl resolution. i must be stored some where
[17:13] <flan> No, it's not failing. I just wanted to make sure I had callbacks working from that window.
[17:14] <flan> So it'd behave the way the user would expect.
[17:14] <jenkins> yea cool
[17:14] <flan> The resolution library will need to provide the current resolution and change resolutions. It shouldn't need any other externally accessible functions.
[17:15] <flan> It should internally handle everything currently done by environment_details.
[17:15] <flan> So move all the grapgics-card-checking stuff into that module and make it completely isolated from the rest of the code.
[17:16] <flan> get_resolution() -> tuple(x, y); set_resolution(x, y) -> any number of possible exceptions, grouped under a common Error class. See the server modules for examples on how to do this.
[17:16] <flan> -s
[17:22] <jenkins> ok I will have a read i need to work out how to get the current resolution first
[17:22] <flan> Of course.
[17:22] <flan> I've got lots to do, so there's no rush.
[17:23] <flan> Getting it right is more important than just getting something.
[17:23] <jenkins> ok makes sense
[17:40] <thorwil> jenkins: hi! http://www.foopics.com/showfull/1827bc02f1d99e1d27108dd08590e84b
[17:42] <jenkins> hey thorwil i like the lower one, what would it look like with different colour text to the  large  Q
[17:42] <jenkins> also what contact details/e-mail would you like to have next to your name in the credits window?
[17:44] <thorwil> jenkins: i'd like a link to http://thorwil.wordpress.com/
[17:44] <jenkins> cool will do :)
[17:45] <thorwil> jenkins: if others appear with email address<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is ok (known to every spammer one earth since long)
[17:46] <jenkins> I am happy with the website, I will bear that in mind thanks
[17:47] <thorwil> jenkins: so it's all about color tweaks for the logo now?
[17:47]  * thorwil -> dinner
[17:47] <jenkins> for me yes
[17:47] <jenkins> i like the bottom one over the top
[17:49] <jenkins> have a nice dinner thorwil
[18:16] <jenkins> be back later
[20:36] <thorwil> jenkins, flan: http://www.foopics.com/showfull/98ddcd8128b519d7bf110ea9c5f80c53
[20:38] <jenkins> I am not sure about the use of the background color and how it would look in the program. I prefer the colours on the left
[20:39] <flan> I'm okay with whatever.
[20:39] <flan> I don't think we can really go too wrong.
[20:42] <jenkins> I am just putting it in the app to see what it looks like
[20:42] <thorwil> jenkins: not sure about what to do with the logo for in-app use, would have to see ...
[20:43] <Muscovy> That's a _nice_ set of logos.
[20:44] <thorwil> ty
[20:44] <jenkins> http://imagebin.org/112804 apart form the over streched window i am unsure. what about swapping the bacground colour and the white?
[20:44] <thorwil> btw, did ben say anything about the earthquake in christchurch?
[20:45] <jenkins> erm he is ok thats all i konw
[20:45] <jenkins> ok now I like the bottom right. what about making the background white and changing the text to the background color on that one?
[20:46] <jenkins> white/see through
[20:46] <thorwil> guess there will have to be 2, one for use on bright ground
[20:46] <thorwil> the other as intended for the website
[20:47] <thorwil> the idea behind the color and contrast is a camera flash
[20:48] <jenkins> I see they are great! btw
[20:48] <jenkins> *see,
[20:48] <thorwil> glad you like them :)
[20:50] <jenkins> I was looking at colour choices earlier using agave and could not come up with anything. its very hard, you have made a good choice on that.
[20:52] <jenkins> I think the bottom left one and do it with white/transparent on the outside with current background where white is for one version .then as it is for the other one. would that look right ?
[20:54] <flan> jenkins, are you good with visualizing 2D geometry in discrete co-ordinates?
[20:54] <flan> I'm trying to redo the sub-rect logic and I'm starting to lose concentration.
[20:55] <jenkins> do you mean take a screenshot of the panel only stuff?
[20:55] <jenkins> I should be good with 2d cordinates
[20:55] <flan> Uh... Sure.
[20:55]  * jenkins is sure flan thinks he is mad :)
[20:55] <flan> I mean more like "Given this cropped section of the screen, take this other rectangle and reduce the area to only the overlapping parts"
[20:56] <thorwil> jenkins: i found tools like agave to be more of a distraction than a help, as colors depend on their surrounding so much
[20:56] <flan> You're an engineer. I'd expect you to be better with numbers.
[20:58] <jenkins> I am good with numbers, i just have to make sure i right them down correctly. what do you mean by overlapping parts?
[20:58] <jenkins> thorwil: makes sense why i could not get any where with it
[20:58] <Muscovy> Quickshot uses PyGTK, right?
[20:59] <flan> Yes, Muscovy, it does.
[21:00] <Muscovy> Are there any tutorials you'd recommend? I mean to learn it, but it looks frighteningly complicated.
[21:00] <flan> It's actually quite easy.
[21:00] <flan> The reference documentation is excellent.
[21:00] <Muscovy> Phew.
[21:01] <flan> Are you comfortable with Python in gneeral?
[21:01] <flan> general*
[21:01] <Muscovy> Fairly.
[21:01] <Muscovy> I just know "general Python".
[21:02] <jenkins> nissh recomended http://learnpygtk.org/pygtktutorial/index.html to me it does not cover everything but is usefull
[21:02] <flan> Are you intimidated by the Python module index?
[21:02] <jenkins> yes
[21:02] <jenkins> flan: which bits overlap that what i don't get
[21:05] <Muscovy> Thanks jenkins, I'll bookmark that.
[21:07] <thorwil> enough for today, good night! :)
[21:11] <flan> jenkins, I just wrote a summary. I'll commit it in a moment.
[21:11] <jenkins> ok ty
[21:12] <flan> I basically just need you to write a function that takes some base geometry and a pair of flags and returns potentially altered geometry.
[21:12] <jenkins> I am trying to work out how gnome-display-properties works out the current screenset up
[21:12] <flan> (A tuple of four numbers)
[21:13] <jenkins> ok cool I will take a look
[21:13] <flan> There's a much easier way than that.
[21:14] <jenkins> I have gained memories of wnckd or something
[21:15] <flan> wnck can do it easily, yes.
[21:15] <flan> >>> import gtk
[21:15] <flan> >>> gtk.gdk.screen_get_default().get_width()
[21:15] <flan> 2880
[21:15] <flan> >>> gtk.gdk.screen_get_default().get_height()
[21:15] <flan> 900
[21:15] <jenkins> how would you tell if there are two screens?
[21:15] <flan> Do you need to?
[21:16] <jenkins> well people can have some strange setups
[21:17] <flan> Fair enough.
[21:18] <jenkins> we can use your way for now but it would be good to do it properly
[21:19] <jenkins> I will have a play with dgkscreen
[21:19] <flan> I've just got my monitors merged into a single massive screen managed by X viewports.
[21:20] <flan> I think that's pretty common.
[21:20] <flan> Resizing it would look terrible, of course.
[21:20] <jenkins> its how nvidia twin view is handled. last release i cloned the display on the outputs for dual screens
[21:27]  * jenkins starts using gnome shell to see how he gets on
[21:38] <flan> Math issue worked out.
[21:39] <jenkins> coolio
[22:05] <jenkins> night all
[22:11] <flan> Hi, brettalton.
[22:12] <brettalton> heyya
[22:12] <flan> It's so rare that people will apply and actually drop by.
[22:12] <Muscovy> Apply for what?
[22:12] <flan> The Quickshot team.
[22:13] <brettalton> well I wanted to get workin :)
[22:14] <flan> Are you familiar with PyGTK or should I try to force some library tasks on you?
[22:14] <flan> Though I've actually finished all the major PyGTK reworking...
[22:14] <flan> And I'm going to be connecting pieces pretty quickly, so trying to work in the GUI right now might be an exercise in futility.
[22:15] <brettalton> flan: you talking to me? I'm just the (new) website guy :(
[22:15] <flan> Oh.
[22:15] <brettalton> in time I would like to learn PyGTK though
[22:16] <flan> Well, then, in that case, you'll probably want to speak to daker.
[22:16]  * flan approves application.
[22:17] <Glorfindel> lol
[22:17] <brettalton> Ya, I've got what I need, I just want to download the website branch so I can submit some changes here
[22:17] <brettalton> flan: excellent, thank you
[22:17] <flan> I dunno if we're still using that branch...
[22:17] <flan> I'm not sure what's going on witht he website.
[22:18] <flan> I've been too busy trying to get the application itself ready for the 10th.
[22:18] <brettalton> flan: don't worry, I've been talking with humphreybc and he got me on path
[22:23] <flan> I'll leave it to you, then. Not that I had any intention of building the site myself or anything.
[22:23]  * flan is not a designer.
[22:25] <brettalton> hey, we all have our skills. If it wasn't for you, what would the quickshot 1.0 release be?
[22:25] <flan> 0.0.8 with, like, more numbers.
[22:25] <flan> Which would be *awesome*.
[23:05] <brettalton> daker: you there?
[23:39] <daker> hey brettalton
[23:39] <brettalton> hey daker
[23:39] <daker> yep
[23:51] <daker> brettalton, need help ?


[00:23] <drifting-on-a-dr> Spent the entire day with this, it's losing it's charm gone midnight :-)  Still no tuners !!!
[01:31] <stratagem_bot> Does anyone use the hdhomerun?
[01:31] <stratagem_bot> Or are familiar with network packetloss/high pings while recording?
[01:32] <stratagem_bot> intermittently
[01:32] <stratagem_bot> Maybe I should put myth backend and hdhomerun on its own switch and uplink to router switch instead?
[01:34] <stratagem_bot> or maybe I should get dd-wrt on this shitty asus router
[02:13] <rhpot1991> stratagem_bot: I run one
[02:13] <rhpot1991> I run it on its own network
[02:14] <rhpot1991> I know several other people who run them as well, but on their main network
[02:14] <stratagem_bot> multi-homed backend?
[02:14] <stratagem_bot> when recordings are going, my desktop pc, completely separate from the backend gets packet loss and high pings to the outside and internally
[02:15] <stratagem_bot> both are connected to a asus wl520gu
[02:15] <stratagem_bot> my desktop is also using a linksys powerline adapter
[02:15] <stratagem_bot> I've seen this happen on two separate routers
[02:15] <rhpot1991> I don't know what you mean by multi-homed backend
[02:15] <rhpot1991> smells like a bottleneck somewhere in your network
[02:15] <stratagem_bot> multi-homed means two nics on two networks
[02:16] <stratagem_bot> same box
[02:16] <rhpot1991> I have my main network with everything on
[02:16] <rhpot1991> then I have a pci card in my backend, and the HDHR is hooked directly to that
[02:16] <stratagem_bot> ah yeah. was considering doing that.  maybe I have some spare nics around
[02:17] <rhpot1991> I did it originally to test some corruption in recordings, and just have left it that way
[02:18] <rhpot1991> are the powerlines inbetween the router and your HDHR?
[02:18] <rhpot1991> or the box that you are pinging from
[02:18] <stratagem_bot> no
[02:18] <stratagem_bot> powerline adapters are between my desktop pc upstairs, and my router downstairs
[02:18] <stratagem_bot> box pinging from
[02:19] <stratagem_bot> my iphone cnonected wireless will show signs of packetloss/latency
[02:19] <rhpot1991> I'd start eliminating parts
[02:19] <rhpot1991> powerline can be an issue
[02:19] <rhpot1991> stock firmware on the router?
[02:19] <stratagem_bot> it's updated to the latest ASus provides
[02:19] <stratagem_bot> but I'm thinking about giong dd-wrt
[02:20]  * rhpot1991 runs openwrt
[02:20] <stratagem_bot> http://wiki.openwrt.org/oldwiki/OpenWrtDocs/Hardware/Asus/WL520GU
[02:20] <stratagem_bot> better than dd-wrt?
[02:20] <rhpot1991> I'd eliminate the powerlines first
[02:20] <stratagem_bot> I have no experience with either
[02:20] <rhpot1991> bad wiring or something could be causing issues
[02:21] <rhpot1991> I like it, but if you aren't comfortable with messing around some it may not be for you
[02:21] <stratagem_bot> wish I could run a line down the wall, but can't really go digging behind these ancient center city warehouse walls
[02:21] <rhpot1991> its normally pretty painless to go back to the stock firmwares so you could give it a try and see
[02:21] <rhpot1991> have return vents anywhere?
[02:22] <rhpot1991> I ran a wire from floor to floor through a return vent pretty easily, then hid it under my baseboards
[02:22] <rhpot1991> you can try asking in #hdhomerun, they can do some debugging on the units but I'm not sure if they can help at all with this issue
[02:23] <stratagem_bot> return is at the end of the hallway.  there is ducting but everything is in awkward spots.  plus the ceilings are high.  and the studs are metal with those boxes crimped to the side of them. I'd have to start cutting nit othe wall, and trying to rundown the side somehow assming there is a space to go down totthe first floor.
[02:25] <stratagem_bot> The weird thing is that none of the recordings have issues really.  all seem to come ni clearly
[02:25] <stratagem_bot> unless t here is really high fault tolerance
[02:25] <stratagem_bot> taking QAM from cable line
[02:26] <stratagem_bot> I have a laptop up here that connects wireless that also experiences the packet loss
[02:26] <stratagem_bot> which is why I didn't think the powerline adapters were the culprit
[02:27] <stratagem_bot> I just need to do some thorough testing.  and begin eliminating things.
[02:30] <rhpot1991> ya sounds like the router/network
[08:42] <gandalfcome> I am trying to use flash streaming on my mytbuntu 10.04 running mythweb. Do i need to install special packages?
[11:29] <[Vex]> halp! I need help getting my remote working... anyone? I have iMon Knob, mythbuntu maverick
[11:30] <[Vex]>  how do I configure the buttons on the remote, now that they stopped using lirc and shifted to using input/event ?
[11:30] <[Vex]> or how do I switch back to using lirc?
[14:26] <[Vex]> noone?
[14:26] <[Vex]> anyone?
[14:31] <rhpot1991> [Vex]: well you have 2 options
[14:31] <rhpot1991> 1. ignore lirc it really isn't needed
[14:31] <rhpot1991> 2. configure lirc as a devinput
[14:31] <[Vex]> I'd love to skip lirc ;)
[14:32] <[Vex]> but... how do I configure my remote then?
[14:32] <rhpot1991> [Vex]: should just work, and it should send keys to the system, then you just need to make sure they match up with the mythtv keybindings
[14:32] <[Vex]> how do I "read" the keys?
[14:34] <[Vex]> earlier I used irw
[14:34] <rhpot1991> [Vex]: looks like there is a command evtest
[14:35] <rhpot1991> which should help you
[14:35] <[Vex]> then I could see what came in, and could configure lirc
[14:35] <rhpot1991> more like see what comes in then change the bindings in mythtv to match
[14:36] <[Vex]> would be fine too ;)
[14:36] <rhpot1991> if you want to have lirc in the middle, configure it as a devinput and then you can use lirc as the middleman and avoid changing the mythtv key bindings
[14:38] <[Vex]> would be easier, since I have the config-files
[14:39] <[Vex]> then I just need to figure out how to do that ;)
[14:39] <rhpot1991> well you'd be overwriting them all
[14:39] <rhpot1991> fire up MCC
[14:39] <[Vex]> got backup
[14:39] <rhpot1991> choose devinput, click the generate dynamic button mappings and run
[14:39] <rhpot1991> then see what works with irw
[14:41] <[Vex]> ok, thx.... installed lubuntu and mythtv earlier, but might just go back to mythbuntu
[14:47] <rhpot1991> [Vex]: the packages are the same either way so it shouldn't matter
[14:48] <rhpot1991> you can install mythbuntu-control-centre on ubuntu and use it there
[14:49] <[Vex]> I did
[14:49] <[Vex]> all you said, but irw reports nothing
[14:50] <[Vex]> I can't select devinput, only Infrared
[14:54] <rhpot1991> [Vex]: your last words make no sense
[14:54] <[Vex]> sry ;)
[14:55] <[Vex]> rhpot1991: in mythbuntu-control-center, you said to choose "devinput"
[14:55] <[Vex]> is that "Infraed" ?
[14:55] <[Vex]> I can't find anywhere, where it sais "devinput"
[14:55] <[Vex]> sry if I'm being stupid....
[14:56] <rhpot1991> ya on the infared tab
[14:56] <rhpot1991> then choose devinput as the remote type
[14:56] <[Vex]> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[14:56] <rhpot1991> and click the generate dynamic button mappings
[14:56] <[Vex]> trying
[14:56] <rhpot1991> then hit apply
[14:58] <[Vex]> "Linux input layer (/dev/input/eventX)" right?
[15:00] <[Vex]> now something happended....
[15:01] <rhpot1991> checking on that to make sure
[15:01] <rhpot1991> yep that should be right
[15:02] <[Vex]> now I can move the mouse, using the 4 direction-buttons...
[15:03] <[Vex]> Am I remembering wrong if i say that irw used to report stuff like "Caption", "Stop", "VolDown" etc ?
[15:04] <rhpot1991> [Vex]: should report button presses
[15:05] <rhpot1991> some of those remotes have a mouse and keyboard mode, try toggling that
[15:05] <[Vex]> oh.... so it's a mouse....
[15:09] <[Vex]> THX rhpot1991
[15:10] <[Vex]> after a reboot, the remote for my iMon Knob works! now I "just" need to reconfigure my Logitech Harmony
[15:13] <rhpot1991> [Vex]: good to hear
[15:14] <[Vex]> now something else is wrong... darn
[15:18] <[Vex]> need mythbuntu-repos
[16:37] <drifting-on-a-dr> Would it be appropriate to link to the Mythbuntu forum ?
[16:38] <rhpot1991> drifting-on-a-dr: in here?
[16:39] <drifting-on-a-dr> Yes, I have been fighting with this ongoing tuner problem, and thought a more through explanation on the website would be wise (My post)
[16:43] <rhpot1991> drifting-on-a-dr: its generally a good idea to do a forum thread if you aren't getting help here, more eyeballs there
[16:43] <rhpot1991> feel free to link it in here
[16:44] <drifting-on-a-dr> That is what I have done, not got many replies their either, getting desperate now, losing loads of the GF's series not recording.
[16:58] <drifting-on-a-dr> Thank you :- http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1602348
[16:58] <Zinn> [ubuntuforums.org]  Tuner problems Mythbuntu 8.4 to 10.4 upgrade, also possible database corruptio - Ubuntu Forums
[16:58] <drifting-on-a-dr> Thats the one
[16:58] <gregL> How would I get the backend upstart job to restart from the command line?
[17:04] <tgm4883> gregL, service mythbackend restart
[17:04] <tgm4883> or it might be
[17:04] <tgm4883> service mythtv-backend restart
[17:06] <gregL> tgm4883, Thanks...I have googled for the proper command and couldn't find it...
[17:16] <rhpot1991> sudo restart mythtv-backend
[17:16] <rhpot1991> gregL: tgm4883 ^
[17:16] <rhpot1991> thats how I do it
[17:19] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, that would work too
[17:24] <gregL> For some raeson none of those commands work for me.. I get this error :   restart: Unknown instance:
[17:24] <gregL> er reason
[17:26] <tgm4883> hmm
[17:27] <rhpot1991> try start?
[17:27] <rhpot1991> it may not be running
[17:27] <tgm4883> or status
[17:27] <rhpot1991> ya check status too
[17:27] <rhpot1991> assuming you are on 0.23 or greater?
[17:27] <tgm4883> although restart should start it if it is not running
[17:27] <gregL> trunk
[17:27] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: ya I thought so
[17:27] <tgm4883> gregL, define trunk?
[17:28] <tgm4883> Cause there is only one release I know that we have trunk builds for, and it hasn't released alpha1 yet
[17:28] <gregL> MythTV Version   : 26946
[17:29] <tgm4883> gregL, are you compiling this yourself?
[17:29] <gregL> yes
[17:29] <rhpot1991> thats prob why
[17:29] <gregL> ?
[17:29] <tgm4883> are you using our packaging?
[17:30] <tgm4883> what happens if you do this
[17:30] <tgm4883> service mythtv-backend
[17:31] <gregL> mythtv-backend: unrecognized service
[17:31] <tgm4883> ok
[17:31] <tgm4883> what about this
[17:31] <tgm4883> /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend
[17:33] <gregL> I think you hit it...I get this error: /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend: No such file or directory
[17:34] <gregL> I have something clearly goofed up..I will have to investigate further..Thanks
[17:34] <rhpot1991> I'm confused why aren't you using our autobuilds?
[17:35] <gregL> I have been self compiling for a few years...
[17:36] <gregL> The upstart script is from mythbuntu...
[17:36] <rhpot1991> gregL: do you build with our packages or with mythtv source directly?
[17:36] <gregL> source
[17:36] <rhpot1991> sounds like you don't have our upstart script in place then
[17:36] <tgm4883> yea you don't have either script
[17:36] <tgm4883> gregL, is there a reason you are self compiling?
[17:36] <gregL> I have the one that was on the mythbuntu cd..
[17:37] <gregL>  I got into self compiling when the HD-pvr came on the scene..
[17:37] <rhpot1991> gregL: should look into autobuilds, we do all that work for you now :)
[17:38] <tgm4883> s/now/have been for years
[17:38] <gregL> Yeah, I know,but you never learn anything if someone else does all the work....It's a great service you provide...
[17:40] <gregL> Thanks, for pointing me in the right direction....


[01:35] <Unit193> eric_the_idiot: Any chance we'll have a release of garcon with all the pc files worked out soon? :)
[02:11] <eric_the_idiot> Maybe? I'll see about finding time on my next day off
[02:13] <Unit193> Oh shiny, you're alive yet again!
[02:13] <Unit193> THanks.
[02:58] <eric_the_idiot> I read all the pings, I just don't always have time to respond (or it's days later)
[02:59] <Unit193> I was expecting the latter, which works for me. :D
[05:13] <Unit193> ochosi: Considering https://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/tree/nautilus-desktop/nautilus-desktop-window.c#n238, https://github.com/mate-desktop/caja/blob/master/src/caja-application.c#L765, and https://github.com/Eloston/nemo-gnome/blob/master/src/nemo-desktop-window.c#L132 can xubuntu_improve-nautilus-interactions.patch be merged upstream to xfdesktop?
[10:34] <bluesabre> Unit193: always cracks me up that nautilus uses deprecated code https://developer.gnome.org/gdk3/stable/GdkScreen.html#gdk-screen-get-number :D
[10:35] <Unit193> bluesabre: At least a recent deprecation?
[10:36] <bluesabre> yeah
[10:36] <bluesabre> But it makes me feel less bad that we can't keep up when core gnome can't either
[10:37] <bluesabre> I wonder if that's how they decide what features get dropped... :-)
[10:37] <knome> :)
[10:37] <knome> probably..
[10:37] <Unit193> I thought they had so much time, they deprecated stuff just so they'd have new replacements to write...
[10:37] <bluesabre> also, morning all
[10:38] <Unit193> Good evening/night.
[10:38] <knome> hello
[11:11] <bluesabre> !team | You should now have mail regarding a team vote for inclusion of a new package :)
[11:11] <knome> yes


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[06:07]  * nlsthzn waves
[06:09] <Haden> Hey nlsthzn
[06:13] <nlsthzn> Mr. Haden, how are you :)
[06:15] <Haden> I'm good ... nlsthzn .. Looking for a way to get the ubuntu-ae mailing list
[06:15] <Haden> I guess that's the only thing that's stopping us from becoming official
[06:16] <nlsthzn> Oh, there are a number of things keeping us from being official... we have a mailing list... doesn't need to be the one that Canonical would let us have for free...
[06:17] <Haden> nlsthzn , I think you need a launchpad mailing list right ?
[06:19] <Haden> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto
[06:19] <nlsthzn> Haden: Launchpad I am not sure off... But AFAIK if we do we have... I know there are two lists... we are re-directing the one to the other (or should be)
[06:20] <Haden> nlsthzn , check out team naming standards
[06:21] <nlsthzn> Yup... everything should be ubuntu-ae
[06:21] <Haden> Our mailing list should be Ubuntu-ae , our current mailing list is Emirateslocoteam
[06:22] <nlsthzn> there are two launchpad accounts if I am not mistaked, the correctly named one and one that is wrong... problem is we dont' have control over the correct one...
[06:22] <Haden> Yup.. That's what I was figuring out...
[06:23] <Haden> The current owner isn't ready to give control or join us
[06:23] <nlsthzn> ... and that is a problem ...
[06:23] <Haden> We have contacted him several times
[06:26] <Haden> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-ae
[06:26] <nlsthzn> Yup... once we have tried enough times we might have a case to present to the loco council to get power taken from him... for now we have to be patient
[06:26] <nlsthzn> I also mailed him... no response
[06:28] <Haden> Yup.. I too sent him an email .. We can ask Omar to send him an email as well...
[06:28] <Haden> Check out the wiki page he created ..
[06:29] <nlsthzn> Link to wiki page
[06:30] <nlsthzn> also, I see they are having a meeting - http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-ae/1050/detail/
[06:30] <nlsthzn> I think "we" should be there in force...
[06:30] <nlsthzn> with "we" I mean all of the emirates loco which are in Dubai currently :)
[06:31] <Haden> Good idea ..
[06:32] <Haden> I don't like the idea of competing when it come to communities
[06:32] <Haden> Not sure why this guy is not ready to join us ..
[06:35] <nlsthzn> Maybe he wants to be the top dog, or he has other motivations... either way, it would be good to be there and see what he is all about... and maybe have some flyers ready with our contact info too :p
[06:36] <Haden> nlsthzn , how do you send out an email to our mailing list members ?
[06:38] <nlsthzn> You need the e-mail address... you can find it on meet-up... I have sent Omar a mail with the link to the planned meeting...
[06:38] <Haden> nlsthzn , Emirateslocoteam mailing list ..
[06:39] <Haden> Not the meetup one .. That guy Zulfiqar is an admin for our meetup group
[06:41] <nlsthzn> Haden: He is?! When did that happen? Even if you send to the launchpad mailing list it is linked to the meetup one and it will also send out on the meetup list...
[06:43] <Haden> He had set up the last meeting .. The one which was accidentally set to December ..
[06:45] <Haden> Anyway , I'll speak to Toki and see if I can get everyone's personal email address .. We need to discuss this offline
[06:45] <Haden> I was really hoping to get the Ubuntu ae loco established ..
[06:45] <nlsthzn> We will... :)
[06:46] <nlsthzn> I have sent Toki a mail too...
[06:46] <Haden> gotta go .. Catch you later nlsthzn .. Have a great day ...
[06:47] <nlsthzn> Haden: bai :)