[00:51] <rottinrob> good evening everyone
[01:06] <jkeyes0> hey, rottinrob
[01:06] <rottinrob> hey there
[01:08] <jkeyes0> making good progress?
[01:09] <rottinrob> not too bad...got a good start
[01:10] <rottinrob> I think I know how to connect the two api's
[01:27] <jkeyes0> rottinrob: in all honesty, I'm stuck already. I've pretty well figured out how to pull in the sdk (the javascript one). Haven't touched the oAuth library yet. My task, though, is to figure out uploading images. Problem there is that to upload an image, you first have to create a note, or have a note to attach it to. Guess I'll do a two-for-one.
[01:28] <rottinrob> you can import a note as you place pic
[01:28] <rottinrob> the cloud API's are pretty well thought out...not to mention powerful
[01:29] <rottinrob> my task is to get the API's to communnicate and bring in files, folders, etc
[01:29] <jkeyes0> I look forward to seeing someone else's code interacting with it. My QML experience is still so limited, that I feel a bit overwhelmed putting it all together.
[01:30] <rottinrob> I think i'll have the very rough working model some time tomorrow...just go back to what you know
[01:31] <rottinrob> I've been studing the API's for a few days now...we could really do some kool stuff with a bit of imagination
[01:32] <rottinrob> figuring out a place to start is always rough, just think it through
[01:32] <rottinrob> I started a trunk if you wanna pull it and kinda see where I'm going, maybe that will help
[01:33] <jkeyes0> absolutely
[01:36] <rottinrob> my first and main goul is to get those two API's to chat jkeyes0
[01:45] <jkeyes0> think I see your trunk out there. looks like the last checkin was about 3 hours ago
[01:47] <rottinrob> sounds about right...I'll commit one more just b4 I pass out for the night
[01:48] <jkeyes0> awesome. I'll keep an eye out for it.
[08:48] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Virus Appreciation Day! :-D
[08:56] <nik90|Office> JamesTait: virus appreciation :D ?
[08:57] <JamesTait> nik90|Office, I'll allow you to philosophise on that - which kind of virus and what to appreciate about them is up to you. ;)
[08:57] <nik90|Office> JamesTait: ;)
[08:59] <popey> nik90|Office: in the latest image the clock detected my location as farnborough ☻
[08:59] <nik90|Office> popey: lol really?
[08:59] <popey> don't sound so surprised! :D
[08:59] <popey> (it still gets the time wrong by 1 hour)
[09:00] <nik90|Office> popey: time wrong?
[09:00] <popey> nik90|Office: yes, it says "Farnborough: 09:00"
[09:00] <nik90|Office> popey: clock follows the system time..meaning your system time is 1 hour wrong
[09:00] <popey> It's 10AM
[09:00] <popey> yes. it is ☻
[09:00] <nik90|Office> popey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1233986
[09:00] <popey> but it's disconcerting to say "Farnborough, this is a location I know, and the time there is 09:00"
[09:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1233986 in Ubuntu Clock App "Right location is identified but wrong timezone" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[09:01] <nik90|Office> popey: Since clock does not have permission to change system time, when it detects that system time is wrong, I can pop up a dialog requesting the user to fix the system time first
[09:01] <nik90|Office> popey: otherwise we will start getting bugs in clock app that the time is incorrect when in reality the system time is wrog
[09:01] <nik90|Office> wrong*
[09:02] <popey> hmm.
[09:04] <nik90|Office> popey: if you have a better solution for 1.0, let me know. For 2.0, I will look into making the clock app change the system time if necessary
[09:04] <popey> nik90|Office: what led to the conclusion we can't set the timezone from the clock app?
[09:04] <popey> did you discuss that with sdk people or security (policy) people?
[09:07] <nik90|Office> popey: I started a email thread sometime back regarding this, which btw I need to continue the discussion with. The gist of it was that the clock app needs to use timed to implement timezone changes which does not (1) have a qml implementation (2) due to security reasons cannot be used even if implemented
[09:09] <nik90|Office> popey: Since that is a whole new world, I rather not spend time on that for the 1.0 cycle. I still need to wrap my mind around the timed explanation that I received from seb and laney sometime back. I will start the discussion again next cycle
[09:09] <Laney> you could launch the system settings application to the time-date page
[09:11] <nik90|Office> Laney: yeah that would be a better temporary solutio
[09:11] <Laney> doesn't even need to be temporary
[09:12] <popey> that's not a bad idea
[09:12] <popey> keep time setting centralised
[09:13] <nik90|Office> Laney: it has to be. Because as per clock designs, a user should be able to click on a world city and make that his current city which should ideally also change his system timezone. If I redirect them to the settings app, they will have to search for that city again and then set it.
[09:13] <nik90|Office> Laney: unless can I specify the timezone as an argument to the settings app?
[09:14] <Laney> no
[09:14] <Laney> not yet, anyway
[09:14] <Laney> where's that requirementi n the design?
[09:14] <nik90|Office> Laney: let me grab the links for you
[09:14] <Laney> I'm looking at https://docs.google.com/a/orangesquash.org.uk/document/d/16jj0bVmaMHVjJpfgWhgmWZO6EWRK-sOeF61mC-holgU/edit?pli=1
[09:14] <Laney> wtf
[09:15] <Laney> google in leaking my domain shocker
[09:16] <nik90|Office> Laney: http://design.canonical.com/2013/03/app-patterns-applied-clock-key-journeys/
[09:16] <nik90|Office> Laney: the wireframe is a bit old but it still presents the idea I am talking about
[09:17] <nik90|Office> Laney: that document was created by me, It only shows the visual designs for now and not so much the interaction. The wireframes are better for that
[09:18]  * nik90|Office needs the day to be 48 hours or more to do pending tasks such as updating that design document :(
[09:19] <Laney> Oh, you're saying that Edit Locations implies you can drag cities to the top
[09:20] <nik90|Office> Laney: http://design.canonical.com/wp-content/uploads/clock_what_time_NY-1024x328.png
[09:21] <nik90|Office> Laney: clicking on new york sets the system time to new york time instead of london
[09:21] <Laney> huh
[09:21] <Laney> I don't get that from that text
[09:21] <Laney> I thought it was just showing you what the time is there
[09:22] <Laney> but if you look really hard
[09:22] <Laney> you can see the time at the top changes
[09:22] <Laney> or does it?
[09:22]  * Laney goes blind trying to see
[09:22] <nik90|Office> the time in the indicator does not change
[09:22] <nik90|Office> hmm
[09:23] <nik90|Office> so clicking on a city, just temporarily shows it in the clock app...what use is that when it is already shown in the list?
[09:23] <nik90|Office> I really need to talk to design
[09:25] <Laney> Anyway, maybe it does - but it's not clear that is the case to me
[09:25] <nik90|Office> Laney: I will discuss this with the designer and then come back to this
[09:25] <nik90|Office> Laney: but do you know how to invoke the time-date settings page from a qml app?
[09:25] <Laney> you'd think it would change current location in the 4th picture there
[09:25] <nik90|Office> yeah me too
[09:25] <Laney> yeah, you can open the URL settings:///system/time-date
[09:26] <Laney> (I think)
[09:27] <nik90|Office> Qt.openUrlExternally("settings:///system/time-date")
[09:27] <nik90|Office> is this syntax correct?
[09:28] <Laney> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/URLDispatcher
[09:30] <nik90|Office> Laney: perfect! thnx
[11:29] <om26er> oSoMoN, re: bug 1233270
[11:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1233270 in webbrowser-app (Ubuntu) "Degraded version of mobile.twitter.com with the default UA" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1233270
[11:30] <oSoMoN> om26er: yes?
[11:30] <om26er> oSoMoN, I don't think that's really the twitter we would want on the phone
[11:30] <om26er> it looks like this http://i.imgur.com/WtJj05m.png
[11:35] <oSoMoN> om26er: yes, it looks a bit old-fashioned, but it’s functional
[11:36] <oSoMoN> om26er: and getting intrusive pop-ups that suggest installing the android app is not ideal either
[11:36] <om26er> oSoMoN, hmm, ok. its not usable for me atleast :/
[11:36] <oSoMoN> om26er: what do you mean by "not usable"?
[11:37] <om26er> oSoMoN, search button is too small, usablility in my book also includes beauty
[11:37] <om26er> i would try using friends app for now
[11:38] <oSoMoN> om26er: can you please elaborate on the usability issues you’re seeing in the bug report? that would help if we need to take a decision and go forward with impersonating android (we need solid arguments to do so)
[12:56] <AskUbuntu> How can i interact with phone hardware and other mobile api's? | http://askubuntu.com/q/353144
[12:56] <WebbyIT> hi popey :) What time is calendar meeting today?
[12:56] <popey> WebbyIT: in one hour
[12:57] <popey> (and 3 mins)
[12:57] <WebbyIT> popey: thanks :) See you later ;)
[13:00] <daker> oSoMoN: +1 this version is not usable on touch experience
[13:01] <oSoMoN> daker: you mean twitter, right? if so, can you please describe the issues you’re encountering in the bug report (bug #1233270)?
[13:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1233270 in webbrowser-app (Ubuntu) "Degraded version of mobile.twitter.com with the default UA" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1233270
[13:02] <daker> oSoMoN: i am using this version on my old nokia
[13:04] <daker> oSoMoN: as om26er explained, a lot of links are very small to touch
[13:08] <daker> oSoMoN: for ex this is the area of "a" link http://i.imgur.com/Eyv4xdj.png
[13:09] <daker> this where you are supposed to "touch"
[13:09] <oSoMoN> daker: right, that’s a good point
[13:10] <daker> oSoMoN: all the link to the key functions are like that
[13:12] <daker> oSoMoN: to be very clear, you are supposed to navigate using the old fashion keyboard arrows like i do on my "old" nokia
[13:15] <daker> oSoMoN: and this what om26er described http://i.imgur.com/Qzhl7tz.png
[13:39] <gusch> oSoMoN: is there a way to get some (qt)webkit debugging when running the webbrowser?
[13:40] <daker> gusch: maybe by run the webkit inspector using --inspector ?
[13:42] <oSoMoN> gusch: yes, there should be a -dbg package
[13:43] <gusch> oSoMoN: I installed that one already (debugging that one is - well - very slow)
[13:43] <oSoMoN> gusch: yes :/
[13:45] <oSoMoN> gusch: IIRC gdb has a mechanism to attach to a running process, so you need to identify the QtWebProcess, and attach to it
[13:46] <oSoMoN> gusch: have a look at http://trac.webkit.org/changeset/70760 for instructions on how to do that
[13:47] <gusch> oSoMoN: thx for that hint
[13:49] <oSoMoN> gusch: that’s needed to debug crashes in the webprocess, if you’re not investigating a crash then you don’t need that, just do "gdb --pid=pidof QtWebProcess"
[13:49] <gusch> oSoMoN: that's what I'm currently doing ;)
[13:59] <om26er> renato, I am not seeing the scene selector in the video player, is that broken ?
[13:59] <om26er> (using Mir)
[14:01] <renato> om26er, it was disabled due a bug on the new decode
[14:01] <om26er> renato, ok.
[15:44] <GuidoPallemans> jkeyes0: have yougotten any of rottinrobs code to work?
[15:51] <GuidoPallemans> jkeyes0: It didn't really say anything
[16:10] <jkeyes0> GuidoPallemans: I got it pulled down and running last night, but it didn't have any SDK references in it yet. He said he was going to push before heading to bed, but apparently didn't.
[16:45] <m-b-o> I have question about the ListItem.Subtitled component.
[16:45] <m-b-o> Is there a way to change the text sizes of the title and the subtitles?
[16:59] <randomcpp> hi guys :)
[17:04] <om26er> boiko, hey
[17:04] <boiko> hi om26er
[17:05] <om26er> boiko, the highlight area in the dialer app is not curved :) when you press 1, 3, * or # note that the highlight goes out of the number' area
[17:05] <boiko> om26er: that's fixed, the highlight is gone, but in any case, that's a problem with the UbuntuShape not masking what is inside of it
[17:06] <om26er> boiko, ack
[17:07] <boiko> om26er: it is also visible when contact results appear in dialer and messaging apps (the bottom black rectangle is not masked)
[17:35] <randomcpp> did anyone try to run ubuntu sdk on other linux os?
[17:36] <randomcpp> or if I want to build the ubuntu sdk on arch or fedora, what do I need?
[18:10] <om26er> nik90, what's up with the alarm. Is it working ?
[18:10] <nik90|Office> om26er: not yet. we are working on getting the alarm notification ready
[18:11] <nik90|Office> om26er: so it basically sets the alarm to EDS, but when the alarm triggers, nothing happens
[18:11] <nik90|Office> om26er: am working with charles,  ted etc to get the indicator datetime to create a snap decision when the alarm rings
[18:11] <om26er> nik90|Office, the final change needs to happen in clock app itself ?
[18:11] <om26er> nik90|Office, ah - sounds cool
[18:12] <nik90|Office> om26er: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1233176
[18:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1233176 in Ubuntu Clock App "Alarm notifications do not appear when an alarm is triggered" [Critical,Triaged]
[18:12] <nik90|Office> om26er: should land before release
[18:13] <om26er> nik90|Office, right, so that means if we set an alarm in the app it is saved indeed. Only when the time to show it comes there is no way to show it which is being worked on through NotifyOSD ?
[18:14] <om26er> nik90|Office, is anything in the Clock app that needs to be done
[18:14] <nik90|Office> om26er: everything is set up in clock app
[18:14] <nik90|Office> om26er: the only reason that bug report has clock app listed is to get design interaction when a user click on an alarm listed in the indicator datetime
[18:50] <randomcpp> does anyone know if this project works https://github.com/mgehre/whosthere ??
[18:54] <popey> randomcpp: it worked some while back
[18:54] <popey> randomcpp: you following the thread on ubuntu-phone?
[18:55] <popey> randomcpp: i don't know if it still works, what'sapp may have changed protocols?
[18:58] <randomcpp> popey, I don't know I've just found that link
[18:58] <popey> heh, ok
[18:58] <randomcpp> while I was trying to build the sdk on arch
[18:58] <popey> coincidence
[19:35] <WebbyIT> popey, sorry for this afternoon, an unexpected situation. So, ted replied to my MR: I'll try to implement it fast as possible
[19:35] <WebbyIT> https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-calendar-app/1231136/+merge/188002/comments/432984
[19:37] <mrqtros> popey ping
[19:44] <randomcpp> does ubuntu core apps (calendar, contacts, etc) use qtpim to manage data?
[19:49] <mrqtros> popey should I change "applicationName" for Shorts core app to get U1DB working? :)
[19:51] <popey> WebbyIT: awesome!
[19:51] <popey> mrqtros: pong
[19:51] <popey> randomcpp: yeah, qtorganizer
[19:52] <mrqtros> popey look above :)
[19:52] <randomcpp> popey, qtcontacts too?
[19:53] <popey> we store contacts in EDS
[19:54] <randomcpp> ok
[19:54] <randomcpp> thank you popey
[19:58] <mrqtros> popey should I change "applicationName" of Shorts core app to get U1DB working? :)
[19:59] <randomcpp> mrqtros, applicationName should match the name you have in manifest.json
[19:59] <popey> yeah
[20:00] <randomcpp> something lke "com.ubuntu.developer.<yourname>.<yourapp>
[20:00] <randomcpp> like*
[20:00] <mrqtros> * mrqtros checking manifest version ...
[20:01] <randomcpp> popey, it looks like qtpim isn't released with other qt modules
[20:01] <randomcpp> there's no official release :/
[20:02] <mrqtros> randomcpp but currently I am talking about Core App
[20:02] <mrqtros> RSS Reader
[20:02] <mrqtros> Should I set it's applicationName to something special? :)
[20:03] <randomcpp> mrqtros, does this app have a manifest.json (it is used to generate click pkgs)
[20:06] <mrqtros> randomcpp seems that there are no common manifest file and I have only strange one with my nickname (was generated on  my machine I think)
[20:08] <randomcpp> :/
[20:09] <mrqtros> popey currently I have image v. 70 installed. Can I update it to latest  version via system tools? :)
[20:11] <popey> mrqtros: is it still read-only?
[20:12] <mrqtros> popey no, I used both methods to make it writable which you adviced to me :)
[20:12] <popey> you'll need to re-flash it then I'm afraid
[20:12] <mrqtros> popey because of I am newbie vi user, I thought that it's still readonly)
[20:13] <mrqtros> okay :(
[20:13] <popey> phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel saucy
[20:13] <popey> should keep your data
[20:14] <mrqtros> popey I have little amount of data on this device :)
[20:14] <popey> if it's in /home/phablet you should be fine
[20:16] <mrqtros> popey is there any stable image from latest? :)
[20:16] <mrqtros> Or I can't select? :)
[20:16] <popey> channel saucy is latest stable
[20:16] <popey> there's other channels
[20:16] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[20:16] <popey> has some examples on it
[20:19] <nik90> renato: Did you have time to look at the alarm EDS bug? The one where alarms werent being saved into the EDS backend?
[20:19] <mrqtros> popey I haven't seen any ways to re-flash device, so I simply must type "phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel saucy" in terminal? :)
[20:19] <popey> yes
[20:19] <mrqtros> popey device on/off? :)
[20:19] <popey> on
[20:20] <renato> nik90, yes I found the problem but fixing it causes the calendar app to stop to work, I will be trying to fix it today and tomorrow
[20:20] <mrqtros> popey thanks! :)
[20:20] <nik90> renato: lol..only one of it can exist :D
[20:21] <randomcpp> nik90, !!
[20:21] <nik90> randomcpp: hey! congrats!
[20:21] <randomcpp> thank you :)
[20:22] <nik90> randomcpp: Same request I made to another app dev: "Please continue updating and adding new features" You got fans (users) who love your app :)
[20:22]  * nik90 is one of them :D
[20:22] <randomcpp> :D
[20:22] <randomcpp> nik90, of course!
[20:22] <nik90> lovely
[20:22] <randomcpp> but firstly I want to try to build the ubuntu-sdk on archlinux
[20:22] <randomcpp> just for fun
[20:23] <nik90> randomcpp: ofc
[20:23] <randomcpp> but I'm lost on some dependencies
[20:24] <randomcpp> some qt modules the sdk uses aren't available
[20:24] <nik90> randomcpp: yeah I suck with package management..I was once trying to build a new ubuntu toolkit on my system and broke my app dependencies completely...so I can understand your situations for arch :)
[20:25] <nik90> randomcpp: I think some of the dependencies were renamed to new ones..you might have to get that into arch as well
[20:25] <randomcpp> qtorganizer (and pim too) isn't available on arch apparently
[20:26] <randomcpp> there's a qt5-pim-git pkgbuild on aur
[20:26] <randomcpp> but it builds from git (and fails)
[20:26] <randomcpp> and git versions are too updated
[20:27] <m-b-o> hi
[20:27] <m-b-o> are there problems with jenkins at the moment?
[20:27]  * popey pokes fginther
[20:27] <m-b-o> mediumtest are failing with ptyhon import errors
[20:33] <m-b-o> popey: seems like the problem is fixed
[20:37] <fginther> popey, m-b-o, looks like dependency problems, investigating
[20:39] <balloons> fginther, I was having that issue on all my mp's about 30 mins ago but it cleared up.. looks like it's back again
[20:39] <balloons> since you are coming from a ppa, I suspect there is potential for this to happen when new builds hit the ppa
[20:40] <balloons> fginther, perhaps we should use the archive instead? if I remember right it's from a ppa anyway
[20:44] <fginther> balloons, we can try that, but I think normally we want to use the latest uitk
[20:45] <fginther> m-b-o, popey, balloons, the current problem is that not all of the uitk packages for the must recent dput have published yet
[20:45] <balloons> fginther, well I think it's worth discussing with the other ci folks, but there is stuff that breaks in the upstream uitk, but works in the downstream
[20:46] <balloons> what I'm saying is if we push changes to fix the issues in the merge request, it will fail in the lab and vice versa
[20:46] <balloons> that and when things get hairy like right now with new builds of uitk happening quite a bit it breaks our ability to merge
[20:48] <balloons> fginther, case in point is https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/ubuntu-clock-app/fix-db-path/+merge/189142. I can't merge it with a fix, because it will break the build. Yet I can't pass the mp without it
[20:50] <fginther> balloons, that's kind of always the case though, if the new sdk makes it into the new image and the necessary app changes aren't there at the same time, it's broken again.
[20:51] <fginther> balloons, I see you're point, we have basically two streams to manage
[20:51] <balloons> fginther, yes but that's a different problem.
[20:51] <fginther> the source trunks and the binaries
[20:51] <balloons> fginther, right... uitk landing into the image is a different story
[20:52] <balloons> uitk shouldn't land if it breaks something, which is what we were chatting about in #sdk
[20:52]  * fginther catches up
[20:53] <GuidoPallemans> rottinrob: have you gotten the evernote sdk to work?   jkeyes0 ping
[22:09] <GuidoPallemans> rottinrob: have you gotten the evernote sdk to work?   jkeyes0 ping


[17:14] <astraljava> wget ftp://ftp.funet.fi/dev/100Mnull
[17:15] <astraljava> 2011-08-15 20:08:49 (11.1 MB/s) - `100Mnull' saved [104857600]
[18:19] <scott-work> astraljava: i didn't see an email from colin watson this morning about the cd image, i am going to download the daily tonight and test tomorrow
[21:47] <scott-work_> one thing we may still need to suss out is the GDM replacement...whatsit, lightdm
[21:47] <scott-work_> i wonder if the xubuntu folks have it working yet
[21:48] <scott-work_> we may need to lean heavily on their work (i.e. "steal" it) :)
[21:49] <falktx> I really want to install oneiric, but I still have so many things on lucid to fix :(
[21:51] <falktx> scott-work_: isn't xubuntu using xdm?
[21:51] <scott-work_> good question but i thought i remember them talking lightdm as well, but i could be wrong
[21:53] <falktx> i'm not sure eighter
[21:53] <falktx> *either
[21:54] <holstein> AFAIK, lightDM is still borked?
[23:00] <astraljava> ScottL: Excellent notion. lightdm is what is being used. And we may be in distress when it comes to the greeter. Damn! I knew I had forgotten something.
[23:01] <astraljava> I'm gonna look into this tomorrow evening, if I don't have to work as much as today.


[12:15] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[19:24] <RikMills[m]> https://github.com/UbuntuBudgie/ubuntu-budgie-installer/tree/main
[22:34] <mmikowski> RikMills[m]: Thanks for that link. It should be most helpful.


[12:32] <zakame> !ping
[12:55] <Seveas> !meeting del MOTU
[12:55] <Ubugtu> (meeting <command> [<args> ...] ) -- Command dispatcher for the Meeting plugin. Use 'list Meeting' to see the commands provided by this plugin. Use 'config list plugins.Meeting' to see the configuration values for this plugin. In most cases this dispatcher command is unnecessary; in cases where more than one plugin defines a given command, use this command to tell the bot which plugin's command to use.
[12:55] <ajmitch> heh
[12:55] <Seveas> damnit
[12:55] <Seveas> forgot my own api :)
[12:56] <Seveas> meeting delete MOTU
[12:56] <zakame> eh?
[12:57] <Seveas> meh, bugbot is buggy
[12:57] <Seveas> meeting delete DocTeam
[12:58] <Seveas> !meeting delete DocTeam
[12:58] <Seveas> there
[12:58] <Seveas> hmm, crap
[12:58] <Seveas> no one seems to use
[12:58] <Seveas> Agendas: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingAgendas | Calendar: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | Logs: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ | 25 Oct 22:00 UTC: CommunityCouncil  | 1 Nov 20:00 UTC: TechBoard | 16 Nov 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu
[12:59] <Seveas> begone, before you really casue problems...
[01:01] <zakame> haha
[10:38] <spayne> 90 minutes to go :)
[10:38] <spayne> i'm on time this week
[10:39] <ivoks> :)
[10:39] <spayne> ivoks: it does start at 23:00 my time?
[10:39] <spayne> ivoks: thanks to daylight savings i think
[10:39] <ajmitch> 22:00 UTC
[10:39] <ajmitch> so we can't tell what your time is
[10:40] <ivoks> i 80 minutes
[10:40] <spayne> ajmitch: England at the moment is GMT+1
[10:40] <ajmitch> but yes, ~80 minutes
[10:40] <ivoks> spayne: why?
[10:40] <ivoks> calm down
[10:40] <spayne> ivoks: i am calm (ish)
[10:43] <Mirno> Hi, I say
[10:43] <Mirno> siretart: ping
[10:43] <Mirno> :)
[10:43] <spayne> hi BenC
[11:01] <Seveas> 59 minutes to CC
[11:02] <spayne> woo!
[11:05] <keyes> vous avez quoi comme jeux cool moderne et si possible d'action (et gratuit) qui tourne sous linux a me porpose?
[11:05] <keyes> a part enemy territory
[11:06] <spayne> isn't this an english only channel?
[11:06] <keyes> ooops
[11:06] <keyes> im sorry
[11:06] <keyes> i'm speaking on the bad ubuntu chan ...
[11:09] <david`lap> hi all!
[11:12] <spayne> hello then neuro|laptop
[11:12] <neuro|laptop> yo, etc
[11:12] <spayne> neuro|laptop: are you staying for the meeting?
[11:13] <neuro|laptop> nah, thought i'd join a channel, then immediately /part :>
[11:13] <spayne> neuro|laptop: leave Riddell alone ;)
[11:13] <neuro|laptop> nah, tis fun
[11:14] <Riddell> hi neuro|laptop, what are you here for?
[11:14] <neuro|laptop> mainly here to poke spayne in the ribs
[11:14] <spayne> Riddell: here is to to laugh at me being emotionally tore down once i am rejected for membership ;)
[11:14] <neuro|laptop> that too :>
[11:14] <spayne> Riddell: i am a LUGRadioer
[11:15] <panickedthumb> making sure my conversion is correct... meeting is in 45 minutes right?
[11:15] <Yann2> yup
[11:15] <spayne> panickedthumb: yes
[11:15] <spayne> Yann2: grr ::)
[11:15] <panickedthumb> right on
[11:16] <spayne> neuro|laptop: are you both in Scottslug?
[11:16] <panickedthumb> never heard of it
[11:16] <spayne> the usergroup in scotland
[11:16] <neuro|laptop> scotlug, yes
[11:16] <Seveas> panickedthumb, date --utc
[11:18] <Riddell> just for general information scotland has several other user groups too, scotlug just has a superiority complex
[11:20] <spayne> Riddell: i've been to Scotland twice
[11:20] <neuro|laptop> the lug never really known as the glasgow linux user group
[11:23] <Mirno> Riddell: Hello, I say :)
[11:24] <Mirno> Yann2: Salutations
[11:24] <Mirno> Yann2: keyes m'a dit qu'il falalit qu'on vienne causer de plf. Je dis pas de conneries ?
[11:24] <Mirno> oops
[11:24] <Mirno> sorry for the french
[11:24] <neuro|laptop> lol
[11:25] <zakame> hello all, good early morning from .ph :)
[11:27] <ivoks> 35min to go :)
[11:28] <Seveas> 32
[11:29] <keyes> i'm tiiireeed
[11:29] <keyes> :)
[11:36] <Mirno> keyes: go get some cafein
[11:38] <keyes> ^^
[11:40] <Seveas> no, please don't, it's going to be a long meeting
[11:40] <spayne> Seveas: just kidding - why will it be long?
[11:40] <spayne> Seveas: lots to do?
[11:41] <ajmitch> yes
[11:41] <Seveas> forums issue will come up again, that's always a time eater
[11:41] <ajmitch> some meetings have gone > 2 hours
[11:41] <ivoks> oh man
[11:41] <Seveas> s/some/most/
[11:41] <ajmitch> true
[11:41] <ivoks> i have to go to work in 6 hours :)
[11:42] <Seveas> rofl
[11:42] <ajmitch> it's rare for a meeting to be as short as an hour
[11:42] <Seveas> contrary to the TB meetings
[11:42] <ivoks> Seveas: and i didn't sleep :)
[11:42] <ajmitch> even MOTU meetings go for 90min-2 hours
[11:42] <zakame> hmmm
[11:43] <spayne> zakame: what's up?
[11:45] <zakame> spayne: just woke up, now reading the morning feeds :))
[11:45] <spayne> how can i add image to my Wiki page?
[11:46] <Seveas> attach it (more actions -> attachments)
[11:46] <spayne> you mean on my wiki page or User Preferences?
[11:47] <spayne> got it
[11:47] <zakame> AH! so that's how to do it!  I was wondering a bit about that...
[11:49] <spayne> done! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SebPayne
[11:51] <zakame> hi seb128
[11:51] <spayne> hi guys
[11:54] <panickedthumb> brb
[11:54] <vuntz> hey seb128
[11:54] <seb128> Hi zakame vuntz
[11:54] <spayne> hey seb128
[11:56] <bhuvan> 5mins to go ?
[11:56] <spayne> 4 now :)
[11:56] <ivoks> hi edgar
[11:56] <alexissoft> hi
[11:57] <eiken0> hello
[11:57] <zakame> hi alexissoft eiken0
[11:57] <keyes> hello eiken0
[11:57] <keyes> 8)
[11:57] <edgar> hi ivoks
[11:57] <ivoks> deresh: hi
[11:57] <deresh> hi, ivoks
[11:57] <zakame> wb ivoks
[11:58] <ivoks> zakame: yeah... wrong time for testing vpn :)
[11:58] <ivoks> zakame: thanks :)
[11:58] <alexissoft> Mirno_PLF, i prefer ULF :)
[11:59] <alexissoft> (Ubuntu Liberation Front)
[11:59] <Mirno_PLF> alexissoft: ... huhu
[11:59] <neuro|laptop> what about KLF? :>
[11:59] <keyes_PLF> ALF is the best ;)
[11:59] <alexissoft> keyes_PLF, ?
[11:59] <neuro|laptop> ah, ALF
[11:59] <Mirno_PLF> :)
[11:59] <neuro|laptop> the ultimate cheesy sitcom
[11:59] <alexissoft> neuro|laptop, KULF ? :)
[11:59] <keyes_PLF> the animal liberation front ;)
[11:59] <keyes_PLF> http://www.animalliberationfront.com/
[11:59] <tristanmike> ALF wasn't cheesy
[12:00] <panickedthumb> phew
[12:00] <tristanmike> ok, yes it was
[12:00] <neuro|laptop> it most certainly was :)
[12:00] <panickedthumb> I thought I was going to be late
[12:00] <Mirno_PLF> mak packages to save the dolphins YeY \o/
[12:00] <Seveas> please stop the offtopic talking
[12:00] <Seveas> let's not clutter up the logs
[12:00] <ivoks> elmo: hi
[12:00] <Seveas> hi elmo
[12:00] <Mirno_PLF> sorry
[12:00] <Yann2> hi
[12:00] <ivoks> 22:00UTC
[12:00] <spayne> are we ready?
[12:00] <Seveas> no
[12:01] <Seveas> we have only 1 (possibly 2) CC members available
[12:01] <bhuvan> hum
[12:01] <Seveas> please wait patiently.
[12:01] <keyes_PLF> create new CC members :)
[12:01] <ivoks> hey dholbach !
[12:01] <Seveas> welcome dholbach
[12:01] <zakame> hey dholbach !
[12:01] <mvo> hey dholbach
[12:02] <dholbach> hellas party people :)
[12:02] <ogra> holla
[12:02] <ivoks> oh, ogra is here too :)
[12:02] <spayne> hey dholbach
[12:02] <spayne> hey ogra
[12:02] <ivoks> i tought you guys are on plain for montreal :)
[12:02] <ogra> sure, i stopped packing my bags for it :)
[12:02] <ogra> tomorrow, 12 UTC
[12:02] <ivoks> airplane even :)
[12:03] <Seveas> elmo, do you know anything about the status of kamion/mako/sabdfl?
[12:03] <ivoks> ogra: i wish i could come too :/
[12:03] <ogra> ivoks, next time
[12:03] <ivoks> ogra: yup
[12:03] <selinium> hi ompaul
[12:04] <neuro|laptop> Seveas: they're all online, only kamion is in chan
[12:04] <ogra> Seveas, conference calls all over the place, i think they'll join as soon as they can


[10:14] <mup> PR snapd#13138 opened: t/n/c/connected-after-reboot-revert: expect one more reboot on UC16 <Test Robustness> <Run nested> <Run Nested -auto-> <Created by valentindavid> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13138>
[11:09] <mup> PR snapd#13082 closed: cmd/snap,asserts,a/signtool: optional cross-checking with the account-key when signing <Pulse> <Created by pedronis> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13082>
[12:50] <mup> PR snapd#13139 opened: t/n/m/fde-on-classic: Do not check for default EFI boot loader (shim) <Test Robustness> <Run nested> <Run Nested -auto-> <Created by valentindavid> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13139>
[13:48] <mup> PR snapcraft#4342 opened: refactor(parts): separate yaml parsing from base errors <Created by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4342>
[14:15] <mup> PR snapd#13140 opened: o/snapstate: fix test panic when monitoring isn't cleared <Test Robustness> <Skip spread> <Created by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13140>
[14:25] <mup> PR snapd#13141 opened: tests: fix test snapd-homedirs-vendored in ubuntu mantic <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13141>
[14:35] <mup> PR snapd#13140 closed: o/snapstate: fix test panic when monitoring isn't cleared <Test Robustness> <Skip spread> <Created by MiguelPires> <Merged by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13140>
[15:00] <mup> PR snapd#13142 opened: aspects: support constraints in string schemas <aspects> <Created by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13142>
[15:05] <mup> PR snapd#13059 closed: aspects: add map and string schema parsing and validation <aspects> <Created by MiguelPires> <Closed by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13059>
[15:51] <mup> PR snapd#13018 closed: interfaces/u2f-devices: add Swissbit iShield Key <Skip spread> <Created by swissbit-csteuer> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13018>
[17:34] <mup> PR snapcraft#4342 closed: refactor(parts): separate yaml parsing from base errors <Created by mr-cal> <Merged by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4342>
[22:58] <mup> PR snapd#13143 opened: daemon: allow snaps to get snap metadata <Needs Documentation -auto-> <Created by robert-ancell> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13143>


[04:37] <flaccid> i see some images set up /etc/hosts like <IP_ADDRESS>   domU-12-31-38-00-95-65.compute-1.internal localhost
[04:37] <flaccid> localhost.localdomain
[04:39] <flaccid> is this a good or bad practice? (as opposed to just1 <IP_ADDRESS>   localhost   localhost.localdomain)
[05:22] <flaccid> yeah the .internal address should be the internal 10. IP
[16:20] <l1234> hello.  anyone around?
[16:21] <flaccid> no
[16:21] <l1234> well thats too bad.
[16:22] <l1234> I'm trying to setup a subdomain of my ec2 site, and this might be a #apache question
[16:22] <flaccid> cool
[16:22] <l1234> any chance you'd be willing to help me out?
[16:22] <l1234> i think I have the virtualhost settings correct in the 000-default file
[16:22] <l1234> but its not working
[16:22] <flaccid> enter #httpd and enter, NameVirtualHost
[16:22] <l1234> except I'm on webchat.freenode which they ban
[16:23] <flaccid> really
[16:23] <l1234> yes.
[16:23] <flaccid> so whats the prob
[16:23] <flaccid> paste the config..
[16:23] <flaccid> well the vhost at least
[16:24] <l1234> <VirtualHost *:80> ServerName ec2.amazonaws.com DocumentRoot /var/www ServerAlias qa.ec2.compute-1.amazonaws.com </VirtualHost>  <VirtualHost *:80> ServerName ec2.amazonaws.com DocumentRoot /var/www2 ServerAlias qa2.ec2.amazonaws.com </VirtualHost>
[16:24] <l1234> sorry it stripped the spacing out
[16:25] <l1234> and i did a crappy job and stripped the compute-1 from the 2nd entry
[16:25] <l1234> basically when I go to ec2.amazonaws.com it works fine(ccurrently pointed to /var/www)
[16:25] <l1234> but the subdomains don't seem to work at all
[16:26] <flaccid> you own amazonaws.com ?
[16:26] <l1234> no
[16:26] <l1234> lol
[16:27] <l1234> i just stripped out our info from the file
[16:27] <l1234> before I pasted it in here
[16:27] <flaccid> so you don't even know what the directives mean?
[16:27] <flaccid> and you can't google?
[16:27] <l1234> i've tried googling
[16:27] <flaccid> all you need is ServerName qa.ec2.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[16:27] <l1234> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/vhosts/examples.html#purename  and http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23
[16:27] <flaccid> no aliases
[16:28] <l1234> so just servername and docroot?
[16:28] <l1234> lemme try
[16:28] <flaccid> i did not mention DocumentRoot.
[16:28] <l1234> how would it know where to get the data?
[16:28] <flaccid> the first link you gave me doesn't even show using ServerAlias
[16:29] <flaccid> DocumentRoot /var/ww
[16:29] <flaccid> *w
[16:29] <flaccid> you also shouldn't create /var/www2 :)
[16:29] <l1234> i'm using random dir names
[16:29] <l1234> obviously www2 is a crappy directory name
[16:29] <flaccid> so anyway
[16:30] <flaccid> as long as you have Listen 80 and NameVirtualHost *:80
[16:30] <flaccid> the solution i advised is the go
[16:30] <l1234> so like this
[16:30] <l1234> <VirtualHost *:80> ServerName qa.ec2.compute-1.amazonaws.com DocumentRoot /var/www </VirtualHost>
[16:30] <l1234> ?
[16:30] <flaccid> yeah
[16:31] <flaccid> of course qa.ec2.compute-1.amazonaws.com is foobar
[16:31] <l1234> right i need to change it to our proper domain name
[16:31] <l1234> still doesn't work
[16:31] <flaccid> still doesn't work aint going to help
[16:31] <l1234> a coworker said I should change my local hosts file
[16:32] <flaccid> can you explain
[16:32] <l1234> which makes no sense to me.
[16:32] <l1234> 404's when I go to qa.ec2
[16:32] <flaccid> thats better
[16:33] <flaccid> check the apache logs
[16:33] <flaccid> first check the access log to ensure you are hitting the server
[16:33] <flaccid> then the error log
[16:33] <flaccid> also ensure the vhost configuration is correct in apachectl -S
[16:34] <l1234> neither apache or error have any info in there
[16:35] <flaccid> if nothing in access log then you probably are not hitting the right server
[16:35] <flaccid> check the server signature against curl http://localhost/
[16:35] <l1234> but -S talks about compute-1.internal
[16:35] <flaccid> so that would probably come back to dns
[16:36] <l1234> whereas the one I setup seems to point to amazaws.com ?
[16:36] <flaccid> show me
[16:36] <l1234> computer-1.amazonaws.com that is
[16:38] <flaccid> ok so you shouldn't be touching/changing the default vhost
[16:38] <flaccid> you need to create new ones and then enable them with a2ensite
[16:39] <flaccid> please don't pm me again
[16:39] <l1234> sorry
[16:39] <l1234> http://apache.pastebin.com/qfHn1w5A  better?
[16:40] <flaccid> ok so what i said above
[16:40] <flaccid> you also don't need sudo for apache2ctl
[16:41] <flaccid> and yes of course your dns and /etc/hosts needs to be correct subsequent to that
[16:48] <flaccid> i'm about to go to bed
[16:49] <l1234> http://apache.pastebin.com/tbng2d6i
[16:49] <l1234> how about this now?
[16:51] <flaccid> yeah but you still have one of them in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default
[16:51] <flaccid> thus its default to the local fqdn
[16:52] <l1234> have one of what?
[16:52] <flaccid> the vhosts
[16:52] <l1234> the vhost info?
[16:52] <l1234> oh ok
[16:52] <l1234> one sec
[16:52] <flaccid> and qa.ec2-184-73-97-66.compute-1.amazonaws.com has to resolve to the client
[16:53] <flaccid> you don't have authority on this domain so its either hijack in local dns or add to /etc/hosts
[16:53] <flaccid> sorry, to the client = for the client
[16:54] <flaccid> as in the computer the web browser is on
[16:54] <flaccid> also on the server for local access
[16:55] <l1234> hrm
[16:55] <l1234> ok
[16:55] <l1234> damn
[16:55] <l1234> was hoping to avoid that
[16:55] <flaccid> aws is not a dns provider
[16:55] <l1234> aaah ok
[16:55] <l1234> hrm
[16:55] <l1234> damn
[16:55] <flaccid> non elastics IPs are also dynamic
[16:56] <flaccid> and technically elastic IPs are not marked as static in the ip register
[16:56] <flaccid> moral to the story, get dns
[16:57] <l1234> ok
[16:57] <l1234> thanks
[16:57] <flaccid> np
[16:58] <flaccid> oh but the public ip of the instance does not change in the instance lifetime
[16:58] <flaccid> sidenote..
[17:06] <flaccid> im gone.
[17:06] <flaccid> thanks for the help heh


[02:28] <StevenK> wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/stop-lying-please/+merge/165000
[03:42] <wgrant> StevenK: I hope that breaks some tests
[03:42] <StevenK> I doubt it, based on my grepping
[06:35] <lifeless> wgrant: / StevenK: hey, I would be very interested in knowning a perf comparison between ec2 and hp's test perf for lp parallel single-node test runs
[06:45] <wgrant> lifeless: At what sort of node sizes?
[06:46] <lifeless> wgrant: well, the ones you do ec2 test runs on .. xlarge isn't it?
[06:46] <wgrant> lifeless: ec2 isn't parallel today
[06:47] <lifeless> wgrant: oh!
[06:47] <lifeless> wgrant: why not :)
[06:47] <wgrant> lifeless: Because if we care about timeliness then we just throw it straight at buildbot
[06:47] <wgrant> ec2 test still uses a single test process on an m2.xlarge
[06:48] <lifeless> I would be curious if that ran any better on the same size in HPCloud, but less interested than in the actually-uses-the-cpus-case :)
[10:01] <wgrant> StevenK: I've shuffled gina around to be a bit more sensibly testable (eg. you now don't have to run scripts/gina.py to test anything at all...), so https://code.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/gina-skippage/+merge/165048 is now pretty trivial.
[10:10] <StevenK> wgrant: Your indentation for the test looks a little suspect
[10:12] <wgrant> StevenK: Howso?
[10:16] <StevenK> wgrant: You open a listcomp and don't indent another level
[10:17] <wgrant> StevenK: Ah, I indented one by a space, and one not
[10:17] <wgrant> Must have miscopied
[10:17] <wgrant> Or do you object to the second too?
[10:19] <StevenK> I'd prefer 4, but I can deal with one
[10:20] <wgrant> It's unambiguous and I think more readable than 4
[10:20] <wgrant> Though it is questionable
[10:20] <StevenK> wgrant: So fix the first one and land it, or refactor it to a function :-P
[10:44] <wgrant> StevenK: Oh yeah, that's done
[11:37] <StevenK> wgrant: It's been approved for a while
[11:50] <wgrant> StevenK: Thanks


[03:24] <robru> whoa, trippy. just signed in, and unity won't render my proper wallpaper, instead it's showing a freeze-frame from lightdm from just before I logged in. so it looks like lightdm is there, but unity is on top of it, and unity is functioning...
[03:25] <robru> and changing the wallpaper doesn't fix it
[03:26] <TheMuso> robru: I saw something to do with gds and disablign the background plugin... I wonder whether that has something to do with it...
[03:26] <TheMuso> gsd even
[03:26] <robru> TheMuso, does that mean I'm in a screwy intermediate state, or is this just the new default behavior for raring? ;-)
[03:26] <sarnold> robru: hrm, reminds me of this bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1115801
[03:26] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1037518 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1115801 Xorg crashed with SIGABRT - FatalError (f=f@entry=0x7f41e2f9a9e2 "no screens found")" [High,Triaged]
[03:28] <sarnold> robru: (just based on description.. don't take my word for it :)
[03:28] <robru> sarnold, that doesn't sound too similar... nothing is crashing... unity is operating as expected. there just is no wallpaper, and it's showing a frozen lightdm as the wallpaper instead
[03:29] <RAOF> robru: That sounds like nothing thinks its in charge of drawing the wallpaper, so you've just got the last image that was in the root window.
[03:30] <robru> RAOF, that sounds like an accurate description
[03:30] <robru> it literally is the last thing that lightdm drew, and it's just frozen there. notification bubbles and all
[03:30] <sarnold> robru: ah, no crashes there...
[03:31] <robru> well, I just installed a bunch of updates, I guess I'll restart and see if it fixes itself
[03:33] <robru> nope, happened again ;-)
[03:34] <RAOF> Might be a local configuration issue? I updated this morning, and my desktop looks fine.
[03:34] <robru> RAOF, any thoughts on what configuration file specifically I should look at reverting?
[03:37] <robru> RAOF, meh, running 'debsums -ac' to tell me what config files have even changed ;-)
[03:37] <RAOF> robru: It'd probably be in one of: dconf settings for gnome-settings-daemon, or dconf settings for unity. Neither of which will be picked up by debsums, because user config :)
[03:39] <robru> bah!
[03:40] <robru> debsums only caught NetworkManager.conf
[03:40] <robru> how odd
[03:41] <robru> hmmm, I pressed the PrintScreen button and it made the flashy/noisy animation of taking a picture, but I can't find it anywhere...
[03:43] <robru> nm, got it
[03:45] <robru> RAOF, TheMuso sarnold : http://ubuntuone.com/26UHEIa8VhR9Tpwz3HaBo6 so there's that
[03:45] <robru> (dual screen, one atop the other)
[03:46] <robru> so normally when I log in, lightdm mirrors onto both screens, then I log in, and now it takes the frozen image of lightdm, and splits it across both screens
[03:50] <robru> even weirder... went into dconf, under /org/gnome/desktop/background, "draw-background" was checked, unchecked it, nothing happened, then I checked "show-desktop-icons" and then my wallpaper appeared.
[03:51] <robru> yes, it seems unity only has the ability to draw the wallpaper if show-desktop-icons is enabled.
[03:51] <robru> am I the only person with show-desktop-icons disabled? I thought it was standard to disable those...
[03:51] <robru> RAOF, TheMuso sarnold ^
[03:52] <robru> if I disable show-desktop-icons, it just stays at whatever image was last chosen, and I lose the ability to change what is there
[03:53] <sarnold> robru: ha! nice find.
[03:53] <robru> I guess I should report a bug
[03:53] <TheMuso> robru: Show desktop icons is nautilus...
[03:53] <sarnold> I didn't know one could put icons on the desktop. so. that's news to me. :)
[03:53] <TheMuso> As far as I know, nautilus can draw the background, and so can gsd... It was added to gsd for gnome shell use afaik.
[03:54] <robru> TheMuso, yes, I know historically nautilus was responsible for that, but dconf says the default value for "show-desktop-icons" is true
[03:55] <TheMuso> Right...
[03:55] <TheMuso> robru: I have no idea, you will have to query seb128 and/or didrocks when they are online...
[06:22] <pitti> Good morning
[06:40] <BigWhale> Good morning.
[07:04] <didrocks> good morning
[07:23] <RAOF> Urgh. g-ir-scanner, how do I get you to link all the needed libraries?
[07:24] <didrocks> RAOF: I'm not sure "ask kindly" will help getting what you desire though ;)
[07:25] <didrocks> it's quite hermetic to this kind of politeness
[07:34] <jibel> Good morning
[07:36] <didrocks> salut jibel, ça va?
[07:37] <jibel> didrocks, salut, ça va et toi, comment était la neige ?
[07:39] <didrocks> jibel: ça va bien! il a neigé une nuit, donc vraiment toute fraiche (aucune piste dammée), c'était sympa. Par contre, le surlendemain, rapeuse comme pas possible et pas de visibilité
[07:39] <didrocks> jibel: donc temps moyen, mais ça fait une bonne coupure tout de même :)
[07:39] <didrocks> jibel: la semaine s'est bien passée?
[07:41] <jibel> didrocks, ça a été, comme d'hab.
[07:45] <jibel> didrocks, on autolanding side, you probably talked to the unity team already, between FTBFS, autopilot failures, provisioning and system failures/crashes and regressions in the testsuite not much have been released last week.
[07:47] <didrocks> jibel: yeah, I saw that. And today, it's system failure/crashes again :/
[07:47] <didrocks> jibel: fixed on Monday half-migration that was done by upstream failing most of tests, so at least, we have a snapshot from yesterday
[08:38] <seb128> hey desktopers
[08:44] <robru> TheMuso, you had said something about the background plugin getting disabled? Seems that's what I saw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/1115886
[08:44] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1115886 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "Can't change wallpaper unless /org/gnome/desktop/background/show-desktop-icons is true." [Low,Invalid]
[08:44] <robru> hey seb128 !
[08:45] <seb128> robru, oya! how are you?
[08:45] <robru> seb128, not bad... chasing down a screwy bug for a few hours ;-)
[08:45] <robru> you?
[08:46] <seb128> robru, I'm good thanks ;-)
[08:47] <robru> seb128, oh, I see now that  you saw my bug. I replied to a stale page and didn't see your reply until after I wrote mine ;-)
[08:48] <seb128> robru, ok, does my reply makes sense to you?
[08:48] <robru> seb128, yep, definitely makes sense, although I'm a little bit surprised that nautilus was chosen as the default. I thought we hated nautilus ;-)
[08:49] <seb128> robru, well, nautilus is the default for ever, we didn't change anything... ;-)
[08:49] <seb128> robru, we want icons on the desktops, g-s-d doesn't provide that
[08:49] <robru> seb128, oh, we WANT icons on the desktop? I've had those disabled for years... so ugly ;-)
[08:50] <seb128> yeah, lots of users use the desktop as their personal space
[08:50] <seb128> they put downloaded files, images, documents they use often, etc there
[08:50] <seb128> I confirmed with design a few weeks ago, they said users are still pretty much attached to that space and the way they use it
[08:51] <robru> heathens ;-)
[08:51] <seb128> lol
[08:51] <seb128> I've to admit I tend to use the desktop as a transit place
[08:51] <seb128> like I put patches I download and stuff I want to read there
[08:52] <seb128> and move them to their proper place once I've processed them
[08:52] <robru> seb128, nope, can't stand files on my desktop. too hard to get at them when there are tons of windows in the way, and impossible to stop it being a mess. plus is obscures my pretty wallpaper ;-)
[08:52] <chrisccoulson> me too, but i wouldn't object too much if we lost it ;)
[08:52] <chrisccoulson> jo's desktop is a mess, she literally stores absolutely everything on it
[08:52] <seb128> robru, different people, different workflows ;-)
[08:52] <chrisccoulson> it's hideous ;)
[08:52] <robru> seb128, I have a "downloads" folder that I just chuck stuff in, and then I constantly work to sort those files (either delete them when I'm done, or file them into some kind of meaningful heirarchy)
[08:52] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey, how are you?
[08:53] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, not too bad thanks. how are you?
[08:53] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I'm good
[08:53] <seb128> robru, desktop is easy to get to, we have a show-desktop in our alt-tab switcher :p
[08:53] <robru> seb128, yeah, I disabled that too. why would I want to show my desktop when theres' nothing there? ;-)
[08:54] <seb128> robru, you sir won the right to re-enable the gsd background plugin! ;-)
[08:54] <robru> seb128, but nah, gsd plugin doesn't do a nice fade when changing wallpapers! So I'll stick with show-desktop-icons true, but then configure nautilus not to actually put any icons there at all ;-)
[08:55] <seb128> we don't display any icon on the desktop by default
[08:55] <seb128> so if you don't store anything in ~/Desktop you are good ;-)
[08:55] <robru> seb128, exactly. no ugly icons, smooth wallpaper fades... seems like a win ;-)
[08:56] <chrisccoulson> hi jibel, you around?
[09:04] <jibel> chrisccoulson, hey
[09:07] <chrisccoulson> hi jibel. what do i need to do to get jenkins to pick up my junit test results? :)
[09:09] <tkamppeter_> seb128, all seven g-c-c printing issues I have reported to GNOME now, and they all got auto-assigned to the GNOME printing maintainer Marek Kasik at Red Hat.
[09:09] <jibel> chrisccoulson, You need to tell me where are the result files and I can tell jenkins to pick them :)
[09:10] <chrisccoulson> jibel, ah, cool. that's easy enough :)
[09:10] <chrisccoulson> ok, i'll update the packaging once i've had some coffee and tell you where they are
[09:12] <jibel> chrisccoulson, thanks
[09:13] <seb128> tkamppeter_, hey, I saw, thanks a lot for looking at what is missing in the GNOME tool and filing those bugs!
[10:56] <seb128> shrugh, another day, another spamming rounds from Laney-haskell :p
[10:58] <Laney> only 250ish more to go ...
[11:57] <chrisccoulson> meh, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-trunk.head/revision/1529
[11:58] <chrisccoulson> i guess i'll have to get used to the firefox button for a bit instead ;)
[12:43] <didrocks> Laney: published episod 5 of the serie of blog post on daily release, this should answer the questions you had (in addition to part 3 and 4 which answered some of them)
[12:43] <Laney> yay
[12:44] <didrocks> and we have a full documentation on the wiki as well! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DailyRelease
[12:44] <didrocks> (slightely modified to have a less personal tone)
[12:45] <Laney> excellent, thank you!
[12:45] <didrocks> yw :)
[13:33] <tkamppeter> Anyone around who knows about PolicyKit authentication?
[13:37] <tkamppeter> I have two Intel-based Raring machines, a VM on my PC and my laptop. On both I have tested the printer driver auto-download facility of system-config-printer. The VM does it all perfectly and I get the driver package installed. On the laptop all works until the point where a window should pop up to ask for the password to do the root action of installing a package. This window does not show up and the package install process gets skip
[13:37] <tkamppeter> ped and the printer setup continued without the driver.
[13:38] <tkamppeter> Both machines are up-to-date, especially have the current s-c-p installed.
[13:45] <tkamppeter> pitti, hi
[13:49] <desrt> attente: awake?
[13:49] <attente> yep
[13:49] <desrt> larsu still sleeping? :)
[13:50] <attente> he's been up for a while now
[13:51] <pitti> hello tkamppeter
[13:52] <pitti> hey desrt, how's you?
[13:52] <desrt> pitti: pretty bad
[13:52] <pitti> desrt: don't say FOSDEflu?
[13:52] <desrt> maybe
[13:52] <desrt> i wanted to die yesterday due to the mix of sickness and extreme tiredness
[13:52] <pitti> nooo, don't!
I forbidded it!
[13:52] <desrt> due to almost no sleep the night before the flight plus the typical long-day experience travelling east to west
[13:53] <pitti> desrt: IRC won't help, my friend.. hot bath and sleep might?
[13:53] <pitti> get well soon!
[13:54] <desrt> i did got bath and sleep already
[13:54] <desrt> i'm a bit better this morning
[13:54] <desrt> merely sick -- not wanting to die
[13:56] <pitti> http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/34388024.jpg
[13:57] <desrt> aw
[13:57] <desrt> i'll try to get better soon in the name of your mental state and therefore productivity, then :)
[13:58] <pitti> haha
[13:58] <pitti> I knew it, kittens are never easy to argue against
[14:00] <tkamppeter> pitti, can you help me with my PolicyKit problem?
[14:01] <pitti> tkamppeter: I hope, what's the problem?
[14:01] <tkamppeter> pitti, if you scroll back to 14:33 you see it.
[14:05] <pitti> tkamppeter: do you know the particular privilege it's asking for? I. e. the action ID in the .policy file
[14:06] <geser> desrt: be happy pitti didn't link you http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/019/8/4/soft_kitty_by_petit_j-d37l11c.jpg :)
[14:07] <pitti> geser: nah, I can't do that half as good as Penny :)
[14:07] <desrt> tiffany already sang soft kitty to me last night
[14:07] <desrt> but thanks :)
[14:08]  * geser wonders if there a mp3 of it somewhere on the internet
[14:09] <desrt> interesting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warm_Kitty
[14:09] <desrt> the song exists before, but the show mixes up the order of the words
[14:10] <pitti> geser: from BBT? I'm sure there is
[14:10] <desrt> or like youtube...
[14:12] <geser> pitti: yes, so you don't to have to sing yourself
[14:13]  * didrocks grumbles against his wifi
[14:16] <ogra> use your nexus7, the wifi is stable :P
[14:21] <pitti> tkamppeter: trouble figuring out the polkit action, or doing something else?
[14:21] <didrocks> ogra: not sure why my x220 sucks that much for wifi
[14:25] <chrisccoulson> jibel, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-trunk.head/revision/1532
[14:25] <chrisccoulson> i'm saving the results in debian/tests/_results/ in the source tree. is that ok?
[14:28] <chrisccoulson> the files are: xpcshell-tests.xml, xpcshell-package-tests.xml, jstestbrowser.xml, reftest.xml, crashtest.xml, mochitest-browser-chrome.xml, mochitest-plain.xml, mochitest-chrome.xml, mochitest-a11y.xml and mochitest-ipcplugins.xml
[14:28] <tjaalton> didrocks: hey, which chip do you have on it? my t420s is pretty bad as well
[14:30] <didrocks> tjaalton: Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205 (2x2 AGN)
[14:30] <tjaalton> didrocks: same
[14:30] <didrocks> loosing connexion, slow reception
[14:31] <didrocks> tjaalton: I'm wondering if it's bug #937118
[14:31] <tjaalton> yeah connection drops, annoying with ssh
[14:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 937118 in linux (Ubuntu) "8086:0084 Wireless stops passing packets" [High,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/937118
[14:31] <didrocks> right
[14:31] <chrisccoulson> nice, 809388 tests! (i can count them properly now i've got machine readable output) :)
[14:31] <didrocks> tjaalton: mind coming on #ubuntu-kernel?
[14:32] <tjaalton> didrocks: yep, always there ;)
[14:33] <didrocks> :)
[14:35] <tkamppeter> pitti, problem is that the password dialog does not appear. The window for the package installation appears but not the one for the password.
[14:35] <jibel> chrisccoulson, sounds good, i'll have a look
[14:35] <tkamppeter> pitti, I also do not know in which log files I have to llok.
[14:35] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[14:35] <pitti> tkamppeter: yeah, that's what I want to debug
[14:36] <pitti> tkamppeter: I don't see a printing related policy file in /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/
[14:37] <pitti> tkamppeter: so is that just calling aptdaemon to install a package, or a system-config-printer-service?
[14:37] <pitti> tkamppeter: you can also look up the action name that it requests when you click on "details" in the password dialog on the machine where that works
[14:38] <tkamppeter> pitti, s-c-p triggers a package installation via PackageKit, through the command line helper program /usr/bin/install-printerdriver, the package installation seems to trigger the PolicyKit authentication.
[14:38] <pitti> tkamppeter: ah, that would be aptdaemon then, unless you actuall installed packagekit (not recommended!)
[14:40] <pitti> tkamppeter: I don't have that script; is that uploaded already?
[14:41] <tkamppeter> pitti, /usr/bin/install-printerdriver is part of the system-config-printer-gnome package. Did this package get removed? It is needed for the download to work.
[14:42] <tkamppeter> pitti, so we need to seed this package again.
[14:42] <pitti> tkamppeter: ah, I didn't have it installed
[14:42] <pitti> tkamppeter: no, it's fine, it's still part of the default install
[14:44] <pitti> tkamppeter: so what does this say on the box where it doesn't work?
[14:44] <pitti> pkcheck --action-id org.debian.apt.install-or-remove-packages --process $$
[14:44] <desrt> seb128: hey.  did you try the glib upload?
[14:44] <pitti> desrt: oh, is it up now?
[14:44] <pitti> desrt: this morning ftp.g.o still had .4
[14:44] <desrt> ya.  mclasen pushed it out over the weekend
[14:44] <desrt> Date:   Sun Feb 3 14:25:09 2013 -0500
[14:44] <desrt> 2.35.6
[14:45] <desrt> maybe he forgot the upload?
[14:45] <pitti> well, tagged, but not uploaded
[14:45] <pitti> http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/glib/2.35/
[14:45] <desrt> weird...
[14:45] <pitti> desrt: nah, master ran out of space yesterday
[14:45] <desrt> hah
[14:45] <larsu> desrt, morning, how are you feeling?
[14:45] <desrt> it's for the better anyway.  i doubt it would build.
[14:45] <desrt> larsu: much better.
[14:45] <pitti> desrt: I failed to release pygobject as well, but did it this morning after andrea cleaned up
[14:45] <larsu> hi pitti :)
[14:45] <larsu> desrt, ah good to hear
[14:45] <desrt> still sick as hell, but no longer exhausted, so better able to cope with it
[14:45] <pitti> hey larsu! made it to Toronto?
[14:46] <larsu> pitti, yes, sitting in attente's appartment right now
[14:46] <larsu> it's cool, but the timezone is all wrong
[14:46] <desrt> larsu: enjoy your jetlag while you have it
[14:46] <larsu> desrt, thanks?!
[14:46] <desrt> this type of jetlag is awesome... you get to wake up at 6am and feel like it's noon
[14:46] <desrt> so productive!!
[14:46] <larsu> haha
[14:47] <larsu> I don't have it, I was more referring to not knowing what time it is for other people I talk to on irc
[14:48] <desrt> ah right.  pitti is a particularly tricky one.
[14:48] <larsu> ya
[14:48]  * pitti ← still in .be
[14:48] <larsu> pitti, right, how is leuven treating you?
[14:49] <desrt> still raining?
[14:49] <pitti> very well, although a bit wet for my taste :)
[14:49] <desrt> ugh
[14:49] <pitti> no, actually it stopped and it's sunny
[14:49] <desrt> pitti: but puddles of urine still everywhere... i understand
[14:50] <larsu> I thought that was a Brusselian thing :D
[14:50] <pitti> not here :)
[14:50] <desrt> oh right.  flemish-speaking part :)
[14:50] <pitti> besides, I haven't really been out much
[14:50] <pitti> hacking over the day, spending mornings and evenings with my friends here
[14:51] <desrt> sounds nice
[14:51] <pitti> ... which made me learn more about git than I picked up in the past 6 months :)
[14:51] <desrt> being offline has a tendency to do that
[14:51] <desrt> unless you mean that the friends were teaching you
[14:52] <pitti> Michael has used it quite intensively and showed me a few tricks
[14:52] <pitti> and my vim is showing me compile errors and warnings for Vala and C inline now :)
[14:53] <desrt> we should organise a 'vim tricks' BoF at next UDS
[14:53] <desrt> we could all make each other so much more productive
[14:54] <larsu> I think there's a threshold after which you stop becoming more productive and look for cool new vim tricks all the time instead
[14:54] <tkamppeter> pitti, about the pkcheck command, which process number needs to be inserted after --process?
[14:56] <pitti> tkamppeter: just "$$"
[14:56] <pitti> as written above
[14:56] <pitti> IOW, "current shell process"
[15:27] <tkamppeter> pitti, result:
[15:27] <tkamppeter> polkit\56retains_authorization_after_challenge=1
[15:28] <pitti> tkamppeter: oh, with exit code 0?
[15:28] <pitti> tkamppeter: that means it succeeds without authorization, i. e. you already got the privilege in that session
[15:28] <tkamppeter> Authorization requires authentication and -u wasn't passed.
[15:28] <pitti> aah
[15:28] <pitti> tkamppeter: ok, that's expected
[15:29] <tkamppeter> pitti, exit status is 2
[15:29] <pitti> tkamppeter: now run the same command with an extra -u
[15:29] <pitti> tkamppeter: that should pop up the password dialog and succeed
[15:31] <tkamppeter> pitti, on the machine where the authentication worked, I get the same result (still without -u).
[15:31] <pitti> tkamppeter: yep, that's the expected behaviour
[15:33] <tkamppeter> pitti, with -u I get a password pop-up on both machines and exit 0 after entering my password.
[15:34] <pitti> tkamppeter: ok, so the polkit machinery works at least
[15:34] <pitti> tkamppeter: does it still work if you call install-printerdriver from a shell?
[15:34] <pitti> tkamppeter: i. e. does it start failing because of a bug in the script, or because the script gets run from the s-c-p dbus backend?
[15:35] <pitti> need to run out for an hour or so, bbl
[15:49] <tkamppeter> pitti, I went to the machine where the problem does not occur and captured the install-printerdriver command line while the password dialog was open. Then I canceled the process.
[15:50] <tkamppeter> pitti, now I ran the captured command line on both machines. On the one without problem the password dialog pops up, on the one with the problem the script exits without any message, with exit code 1.
[16:28] <cyphermox> meeting?
[16:28] <didrocks> 2 more minutes? :)
[16:28] <cyphermox> well yeah, but I mean, we usually get advanced notice ;)
[16:28] <didrocks> Sweetshark, qengho, chrisccoulson, kenvandine, mlankhorst, cyphermox, mterry, robru, tkamppeter, attente: meeting in less than 2 minutes!
[16:29] <didrocks> cyphermox: there you go ^ :)
[16:29] <cyphermox> hehehe
[16:29] <Laney> NOT COMPREHENSIVE ENOUGH
[16:29]  * Laney runs
[16:29] <didrocks> oh, waow Laney is not on the list I found from a previous meeting :)
[16:29] <seb128> (on a call, thanks didrocks for handling the meeting)
[16:29] <cyphermox> there, didrocks you hurt Laney's feelings
[16:29]  * kenvandine waves
[16:29] <Laney> :(
[16:29] <Laney> the perils of management
[16:30] <qengho> cyphermox: you got email!
[16:30] <ogra> Laney,  they hide away in non standard channels ... no need to be comprehensive :P
[16:30] <didrocks> Sweetshark, qengho, chrisccoulson, kenvandine, mlankhorst, cyphermox, mterry, robru, tkamppeter, attente and Laneyyyyyyyy: meeting time!
[16:30] <cyphermox> qengho: ack
[16:30] <chrisccoulson> hi didrocks
[16:30] <didrocks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2013-02-05
[16:31] <chrisccoulson> what happened to seb128?
[16:31] <didrocks> thanks for those completing the wiki, please do if you have relevant things to note
[16:31] <seb128> chrisccoulson, (on a call, thanks didrocks for handling the meeting)
[16:31] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: he's in another meeting
[16:31] <chrisccoulson> ah :)
[16:31] <ogra> chrisccoulson, drowned in nexus7's
[16:31] <chrisccoulson> lol
[16:31] <qengho> That's a bad way to go.
[16:31] <didrocks> also think about updating your blueprints/WI we are quite flat and behind the trendline :)
[16:31] <didrocks> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-raring/canonical-desktop-team.html
[16:31] <chrisccoulson> i think we postponed all of mine ;)
[16:32] <cyphermox> ugh, speaking of nexus 7
[16:32] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: postponed is fine, we are all optimizing for mobile now! :-)
[16:32] <chrisccoulson> qengho, better to be drowned in nexus 7's than a browser that nobody else cares about anymore (firefox) :P
[16:32] <didrocks> ok, let's do a quick team round
[16:32] <didrocks> qengho: hey
[16:33] <qengho> [desktop-r-chromiumbrowser-improvements]
[16:33] <qengho> 6 DONE / 12   3 are deferrable
[16:33] <qengho> Released new stable, even on Raring.  Woo.
[16:33] <qengho> ARM ARM ARM.  Will get this working this week.  The problem is that libraries in
[16:33] <qengho> cluded in tree (webrtc and ffmpeg) have weird and varying NEON assumptions.  Harassing upstream for not testing ARM for any OS but Android.
[16:33] <qengho> EOF
[16:34] <didrocks> nice to see chromium updated!
[16:34] <mterry> chrisccoulson, I like firefox  :)
[16:34] <didrocks> let's cross fingers that the work on ARM will be unblocked at some point
[16:34] <qengho> I agree.  1 <3 #security
[16:34] <didrocks> (sorry, chrisccoulson, chromium here :p)
[16:34] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, traitor
[16:34] <didrocks> :)
[16:34] <chrisccoulson> mterry, beer for you at UDS
[16:34] <didrocks> thanks qengho
[16:34] <didrocks> Sweetshark: hey!
[16:35] <Laney> he's on holiday isn't he?
[16:35] <didrocks> last week yeah, not sure about this one, those geeks always connected to irc!
[16:35] <seb128> (he is on holidays still)
[16:35] <didrocks> let's hope he has nice time in France and good snow (at least, better weather than here)
[16:35] <didrocks> thanks seb128
[16:36] <seb128> yw ;-)
[16:36] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: so, let's turn to another browser, firefox!
[16:36] <chrisccoulson> - Carried on implementing Unity menubar support in Firefox (as mentioned last week, we're dropping the addon quite urgently now that it's totally broken)
[16:36] <chrisccoulson> - Hit an issue with reporting failures from Firefox autopkgtest's last week. Fixed by outputting all test results in JUnit XML (it took quite a bit of work to get that going)
[16:36] <chrisccoulson> - I did start to look at memory consumption of zeitgeist-fts last week, but didn't get too far (it uses >300MB here)
[16:37] <chrisccoulson> EOF
[16:37] <chrisccoulson> and thanks to jibel for the help, re. testing work ;)
[16:37] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: yeah, we started to discuss to drop the zeitgeist-fts at some point, especially for mobile
[16:37] <didrocks> jibel is awesome :-)
[16:37] <didrocks> but tell us if you can get some progress on that
[16:37] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, ah, if we're doing that, then i won't carry on looking at it :)
[16:38] <chrisccoulson> but there seems to be something pathalogically wrong with it here, as it grows pretty much forever :)
[16:38] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: have a quick look if there are easy improvements, maybe, if none, we'll go that path (and it's still used in the desktop)
[16:38] <chrisccoulson> cool
[16:38] <didrocks> thanks chrisccoulson
[16:38] <didrocks> kenvandine: hey
[16:38] <seb128> chrisccoulson, talk to mhr3, it knows around where the issues are
[16:38] <kenvandine> * Working on finishing the service to run the Dee.SharedModel for friends, now that we've made the friends dispatcher exit after all threads finish we are seeing a leak.
[16:38] <kenvandine> * webapps/webcreds manual package updates, looking forward to getting everything autolanding
[16:38] <kenvandine> * We now have hourly automated testing of the individual webapps (userscripts), horray!  We need to get the sources split properly before we can start autolanding them.
[16:38] <chrisccoulson> seb128, thanks
[16:38] <seb128> chrisccoulson, he blames xapian iirc
[16:39] <kenvandine>  /EOF
[16:39] <didrocks> (yeah, it was due to xapian, but still need confirmation)
[16:39] <didrocks> kenvandine: sweet on the dee improvement, nice to see friends coming to reality!
[16:39] <kenvandine> hopefully in raring this week!
[16:40] <kenvandine> i need to talk to mhr3 about the leak
[16:40] <didrocks> kenvandine: do you think we can have the webapps split done before our desktop sprint?
[16:40] <kenvandine> i am leaning on willcooke about it
[16:40] <kenvandine> it isn't a priority for them
[16:40] <kenvandine> well, wasn't
[16:40] <mhr3> seb128, :O you called me it?
[16:40] <kenvandine> but i think i changed his mind yesterday
[16:40] <mhr3> i'm not one of your bots! :P
[16:40] <didrocks> kenvandine: oh great!
[16:41] <didrocks> kenvandine: tell him we can't continue releasing and the work of splitting seems low to me
[16:41] <didrocks> compared to the trouble and lost hours with the current system
[16:41] <didrocks> and thanks for cracking the whip on the integration tests for webcreds in particular :)
[16:41] <kenvandine> yeah
[16:41] <didrocks> kenvandine: thanks
[16:41] <didrocks> mlankhorst: hey
[16:41] <mlankhorst> Not much to say, harassing various upstreams for kernel, wine and x, had a blast at fosdem, pretty sure a lot of other stuff I'm forgetting from last week. ^D
[16:42] <didrocks> mlankhorst: we'll probably have a xorg stacktrace for you in the coming days, it's blocking the daily landing FYI
[16:42] <ogra> mlankhorst, so i can soon run photoshop on my nexus ?
[16:42] <didrocks> mlankhorst: just be prepared!
[16:42] <cyphermox> ogra: keep dreamin' ;)
[16:42] <mlankhorst> ogra: well not pestering wine about that :p
[16:42] <ogra> hehe
[16:42] <mlankhorst> but sure if you run wine in qemu
[16:42] <didrocks> thanks mlankhorst
[16:43] <didrocks> cyphermox: your turn ;)
[16:43] <cyphermox> hehe
[16:43] <cyphermox> - investigating more bluetooth / network fixes for teh Nexus 7
[16:43] <cyphermox> - about to upload probably the last NM/nm-applet snapshots before we get 0.9.8, which is what I expect we'll ship in raring.
[16:43] <cyphermox> - more indicator fixes, preparing indicator-bluetooth for autolanding, etc.
[16:43] <cyphermox> - debugged menu building issues in nm-applet due to how we handle virtual devices
[16:43] <cyphermox> \x00
[16:43] <didrocks> indicator-bluetooth <-> autolanding \o/
[16:43] <ogra> the new BT indicator is a beauty
[16:43] <ogra> (time for the old one to vanish though)
[16:43] <cyphermox> hehe I haven't run it yet >.<
[16:43] <didrocks> (don't forget that libappindicator is finally defeated, we get its tests passing)
[16:43] <cyphermox> oh yeah!
[16:44] <mterry> ogra, it is gone.  log out/back in after updating
[16:44] <didrocks> so, just telepathy-indicator and you can live a normal life again I guess ;)
[16:44] <cyphermox> woooo
[16:44] <didrocks> thanks cyphermox
[16:44] <cyphermox> will finish today hoepfully
[16:44] <didrocks> \o/
[16:44] <didrocks> mterry: hey
[16:44] <mterry> - PS autolanding work / investigations
[16:44] <mterry> - A few memory wins on the nexus7
[16:44] <mterry> - Started looking at fixing GtkMenuButton HUD support, but put it down for other stuff for the moment
[16:44] <mterry> - Pushed the ball a bit on gconf - dropped pulseaudio-module-gconf and filed merges for pkexec rather than gksu in update-notifier and xdiagnose
[16:44] <mterry> - New Deja Dup release
[16:44] <mterry> EOF
[16:44] <ogra> mterry, lol, i did, i just didnt notice its gone :)
[16:44] <ogra> but now that you tell me
[16:45] <ogra> ...
[16:45] <didrocks> "a few" but nice momery wins on the nexus 7, nice work mterry :-)
[16:45] <didrocks> I had to contemplate that from skiing with a glass of wine, but I liked the reports I read there :p
[16:45] <mterry> didrocks, :)
[16:45] <didrocks> thanks mterry
[16:46] <didrocks> robru: awake? ;)
[16:46]  * robru *yaaaaaaaaaawn*
[16:46] <robru> ;-)
[16:46] <didrocks> heh
[16:46] <robru> * working hard to eliminate long-running python process from Friends (so close!).
[16:46] <robru> * did a Quantal SRU for unity-firefox-extension
[16:46] <robru> * added asynchronous API for libfriends
[16:46] <robru> * added test-mode to lp:friends, which acts like dbusmock, but is less general-purpose and better suited to the specific needs of Friends.
[16:46] <robru> * reviewed another deja-dup branch for mterry ;-)
[16:46] <robru> * some nexus7 bug triaging. I am subscribed to all nexus7 bugmail and
[16:46] <robru> * I try to reproduce what comes through.
[16:46] <didrocks> sweet, do not hesitate as well to crack the whip and track the webapps team closely for the integration tests story
[16:47] <didrocks> as we can't really release without those without being confident on what we ship
[16:47] <didrocks> nice work on friends, can't wait to see it this week!
[16:47] <didrocks> thanks robru
[16:47] <robru> yeah, I'm really looking forward to landing our latest changes
[16:47] <didrocks> yep ;)
[16:47] <didrocks> tkamppeter: hey
[16:47] <robru> ken and I have a branch that we've been sending back and forth with big changes ;-)
[16:47] <tkamppeter> system-config-printer: Added printer driver auto-download to the D-Bus service, so that the auto download also happens when the printer setup tool of GNOME Control Center is used.
[16:48] <didrocks> robru: latest big intrusive change before releasing :)
[16:48] <tkamppeter> GNOME Control Center: Reported 7 bugs in the printer setup tool to both Ubuntu and upstream, discovered while testing the driver auto download.
[16:48] <tkamppeter> cups-browsed: Continued investigations for driverless IPP printer support.
[16:49] <didrocks> tkamppeter: thanks, nice work on the auto-download
[16:49] <didrocks> attente: hey
[16:49] <attente> didrocks, hey
[16:49] <attente> not much from me
[16:49] <attente> got inkscape menus (mostly) working in the module
[16:49] <attente> tried to hack the module to work with chromium, but zero luck there
[16:49] <attente> ran valgrind against unity-panel-service, need to thoroughly go through the output
[16:49] <attente> wrote a hacky autopilot test for MP on indicator-appmenu, but needs more/better tests
[16:49] <attente> EOF
[16:50] <didrocks> attente: please keep us in touch about the autopilot tests when they are ready so that we integrate them as part of releasing
[16:50] <didrocks> thanks attente
[16:50] <attente> thanks didrocks
[16:50] <didrocks> Laney: see, I didn't forget you! ;)
[16:50] <attente> will do
[16:50] <didrocks> thanks ;)
[16:51]  * Laney throws a party
[16:51] <Laney> Temporarily cripped & fixed N7 (OT: has anyone other than me noticed USB OTG not really working?). Packaged maliit — got accepted today; thanks to whoever did that! Worked more on the default font configuration for Chinese users as someone stepped up to help me test/iterate on fixes. I think that we're pretty much there and I should be able to upload that this week. Updated gstreamer to 1.0.5. Tried some more to debug pidgin's ...
[16:51] <Laney> ... segfault with 1.0, but I didn't get very far so filed it upstream. Debugged some smallish leaks. Not really sure where we stand with the new unity scopes work and existing software.
[16:51] <Laney> (spammed the buildds with haskell :P)
[16:51] <Laney> NUL
[16:51] <didrocks> USB OTG was working for me last time I tried, not sure for others…
[16:52] <didrocks> I saw a lot of reject from Riddel today in the archive admin list, so there is high chance he's the culpurit of accepting your package ;)
[16:52] <Laney> \o/
[16:52] <didrocks> (and nice to see gstreamer behaving better)
[16:52] <Laney> I get a light on the USB hub but the keyboard plugged into it does nothing
[16:53] <didrocks> weird, we'll see if other get it as well…
[16:53] <Laney> yeah
[16:53] <Laney> will bring it to the sprint anyways
[16:53] <didrocks> yep ;)
[16:53] <didrocks> thanks Laney
[16:53] <didrocks> ok, I think it's my turn now
[16:53] <didrocks> Was on holidays last week, managed successfully to not break any harm/leg while skiing. So big achievement!
[16:53] <didrocks> More seriously, finished the blog post suit on unity daily release process. In addition to write part 5 of the blog post, put everything in the wiki as a reference documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DailyRelease.
[16:53] <didrocks> If you have any question, do not hesitate to ping, I'll add the answers to the FAQ.
[16:54] <didrocks> Also, daily maintenance to keep the ball rolling and teaching to the ubuntu unity team how to use that tool to not become crazy ;)
[16:54] <didrocks> ..
[16:54] <didrocks> any questions/some things to tell to the whole team?
[16:55] <didrocks> doesn't seem so, so we should be done :)
[16:55] <didrocks> thanks everyone!
[16:55] <Laney> thanks!
[16:56] <mterry> woo
[16:57] <robru> didrocks, thanks
[17:02] <pitti> tkamppeter: ah, so the bug is in the script, not because it's running from dbus?
[17:13] <tkamppeter> pitti, I have investigated more. It is not able to load Epson's PGP key.
[17:13] <tkamppeter> pitti, the key is available and valid, as
[17:14] <tkamppeter> pitti, gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 8AA65D56
[17:14] <tkamppeter> pitti, works.
[17:15] <tkamppeter> But if I try to load the key with the script, the line
[17:15] <tkamppeter> pitti, res = pk.install_signature(PackageKitGlib.SigTypeEnum.GPG, repo_gpg_id, '', None, progress, None) is not able to load it.
[17:15] <tkamppeter> pitti, I get
[17:16] <tkamppeter> pitti, gi._glib.GError: Failed to download and install the key 8AA65D56 from hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80:
[17:17] <pitti> tkamppeter: interesting; does that need some kind of proxy?
[17:17] <tkamppeter> pitti, strange is that the error message ends with a clolon after the port number of the key server.
[17:18] <tkamppeter> pitti, I have no proxy and both machines, the one which works and the one which does not work are in the same local network.
[17:22] <tkamppeter> pitti, I tried to reproduce the problem in the direct mode of python and get the problem on both machines, exactly the same, as in http://paste.ubuntu.com/1613453/
[17:22] <tkamppeter> pitti, this means that on the machine where I succeeded to install the package the key must have been pre-loaded somehow.
[17:32] <stevo> heya, do you guys deal with common bugs and issues with the ubuntu desktop by any chance?
[17:33] <stevo> thing is, I have an annoying problem that I can reproduce on Ubuntu 12.10 and 13.04, where if I restart the networking service, parts of Unity just disappear and become unuable
[17:35] <sarnold> stevo: got a bug number handy? (not that I know what i'm doing, but having a bug report tends to give a discussion a good solid footing
[17:36] <stevo> sarnold, no, for whatever reason, when it happens, nothing crashes, no option to submit a bug report
[17:36] <stevo> so it leaves me unable to figure out what I should file it under
[17:37] <sarnold> stevo: you could run "ubuntu-bug unity" all on your own -- though without a crash it might be harder for it to be grouped with other potential duplicates...
[17:37] <stevo> sure, I'll just do it from a clean install and see what happens
[17:53] <jbicha> I think you can duplicate the network crash problem by just running sudo service networking stop
[18:00] <stevo> well, I mostly restart the service, I didn't actually think about trying stop
[18:00] <stevo> however, I'm doing a clean install to reproduce it to see if I can take a shot at a bug report
[18:07]  * didrocks waves good evening
[18:19] <desrt> attente, larsu: i could theoretically leave my house at this point without falling over dead
[18:48] <attente> desrt: that's nice :)
[18:49] <larsu> desrt, bar vespa has really good pizza :)
[18:49] <larsu> we went there on the basis that you don't like it :P
[18:49] <desrt> losers :p
[18:49] <larsu> haha
[18:49] <larsu> desrt, glad you're feeling better
[18:50]  * desrt is having his leftover soup -- it is helping
[18:51] <larsu> bon appetit
[21:35] <attente> is anyone else's X server repeatedly being killed on the Unity greeter?
[21:42] <bryce> attente, grep EE from Xorg.0.log and pastebin?
[21:44] <bryce> attente, if it says something about drm interface not available, that's a known issue, see the raring xserver bugs for a workaround.
[21:44] <bryce> bbiab.
[21:49] <attente> nothing notable in Xorg.0.log, but perhaps this:
[21:49] <attente> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1614243/ (/var/log/lightdm/x-14-greeter.log
[21:49] <attente> )
[23:20] <dobey> attente: do you have an Xorg.14.log?


[00:47] <jcw4> menn0: updated PR https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/33
[00:47] <jcw4> menn0: but I forgot to enhance the actionId docs... urg
[00:48]  * jcw4 is EOD
[00:48] <menn0> jcw4: just had a quick look. the last commit looks fine.
[02:02] <jcw4> thanks menn0


[01:00] <xubuntu88i> I'm installing on mid 2007 intel base Mac-mini.  It is stuck on grub-install dev/sda.  It was hunting for a place to install grub on different partition.
[01:02] <xubuntu88i> Any body install on this old Mac-mini successfully?  How did you do it?
[01:03] <xubuntu88i> It called macmini 2,1or something like that.
[01:08] <xubuntu88i> Hi.  Anybody here?
[01:10] <Bashing-om> !patience | xubuntu88i
[01:12] <arraybolt3> xubuntu88i: Sounds like it's probably an EFI problem. Do you get any further info about why exactly the command failed?
[01:12] <arraybolt3> Also it may be helpful to see your syslog - you can share it with us by running "cat /var/log/syslog | nc termbin.com 9999" in a terminal (without the quotes around it). Then paste the link that command spits out here, and that may help us to see why the installation failed.
[01:14] <xubuntu88i> I only know that my mac-mini use 32efi to boot but it is 64 bit machine and i'm installing 64 bit version xubuntu.
[01:19] <xubuntu88i> I'm still in the xubuntu installer.  How do I open the terminal?
[01:20] <xubuntu88i> It is in the middle of installing but it's stuck.
[01:21] <arraybolt3> Oh. Sadly, mixed-mode EFI is not supported by Ubuntu.
[01:21] <arraybolt3> Ubuntu currently requires a 64-bit EFI and a 64-bit processor.
[01:21] <arraybolt3> There are ways of installing Ubuntu with the 32-bit bootloader, but they are difficult.
[01:22] <arraybolt3> I know that both Debian and Fedora support mixed-mode EFI though (Debian only supports it with its multiarch ISO, I think Fedora supports it by default). Debian is somewhat similar to Ubuntu, so you might be able to use it.
[01:23] <xubuntu88i> Oh okay. Thanks for the info.
[01:25] <arraybolt3> xubuntu88i: If you wait a bit, I'll share the link to the Debian multiarch ISO real quick.
[01:26] <arraybolt3> xubuntu88i: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/
[01:26] <xubuntu88i> Thanks.  I appreciate it.
[14:54] <khem_> hi
[22:01] <bluesabre> Xubuntu 23.04 is now available. Enjoy, Xubuntu friends! https://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-23-04-released/


[01:51] <Elliria> Hey there. I'm not getting any response in the #kde-bugs channel. Does anyone in here know how to edit the summary section of a KDE bug report?
 Hi, flatpak is asking to download big packages for a small app
 Hello my PC has had this problem for a long time, when I turn on the beeps and after a short time the fan starts to run at full speed. I found this in the BIOS page: 6 short sounds
 Keyboard module on motherboard
 Connect another keyboard. In case of permanent error: Replace the main circuit board. I tried this with the change of the keyboard, it's still like that. If I turn off the PC a few times and turn it on, the problem goes away. Does anyone have an idea what it could be?
 Why is my Desktop Effect not working on Kubuntu 22.04?
[11:54] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 hi ,
 hi,
 i cant able to use auto hide feature in plasma 5.25 , pls help
[14:18] <kksilvery> Hi
[14:18] <kksilvery> What'
[14:18] <kksilvery> What's the problem with Auto-Hide feature?
 yea , when i remove cursor from panel , still it wont hide it self,
 but when i change desktop left or right , it will hide
[14:42] <kksilvery> Seems like a bug to me.
[15:28] <user|82> ta gueule
[15:29] <user|82> shut up
[15:59] <arraybolt3[m]> user|82: Welcome to the official Kubuntu Support Channel. Please remain on-topic.
[16:06] <pickanick> Hello I am using Kubuntu 22.04.  The ethernet has started to fail to connect. It cycles from "Setting Network Address" -> "Connection ... deactivated"   Wired Interface : "IP configuration was unavailable"
[16:06] <pickanick> I could submit a png screenshot of the popups, perhaps someone might recognize the problem?
[16:09] <kksilvery> Did you use Wi-Fi network?
[16:14] <pickanick> This was the ethernet wired connection. What about wifi?
[16:15] <pickanick> Wifi is working but is constantly being reset, can see https://dpaste.com/ARMVMNKYY for iwlwifi errors in dmesg
[16:16] <pickanick> I do not know whether these two problems are related.
[16:23] <ick> sorry lost connection :(  Were there any suggestions?
[16:49] <pickanick> sorry lost connection :(  Were there any suggestions?
[17:12] <kksilvery> No.
[17:12] <kksilvery> Try Wi-Fi network. There must be a problem with the network driver. May I know the specs?
[17:24] <arraybolt3[m]> pickanick: Did this only just recently start happening?
[17:25] <arraybolt3[m]> I've had similar problems that I was able to resolve by removing the network interface in Connections - System Settings, then re-adding it.
[17:25] <arraybolt3[m]> (If it's always been broken, that obviously won't work, but if it used to work and now doesn't, that might be worth a shot.)
[17:27] <arraybolt3[m]> If you need to get into the Connections settings, click your network icon, then click the settings icon in the upper-right corner of the pop-up display.
[17:41] <kksilvery> Noted
[17:42] <kksilvery> I think, he is offline.
[18:01] <pickanick> I'm back
[18:01] <kksilvery> Welcome back!
[18:01] <kksilvery> Did you take notes of what ArrayBolt shared here?
[18:03] <pickanick> The unsuccessful connection is new yesterday, although in retrospect there were random disconnections that I  assumed with the fault of my ISP or their hardware. I did delete the wired ethernet interface, and re-added it, to no avail.
[18:04] <kksilvery> Sad!
[18:04] <kksilvery> Can you share the PC specs?
[18:05] <pickanick> specifically which specs?
[18:07] <kksilvery> Your PC or laptop specifications?
[18:07] <pickanick> i9900 64GB etc ?
[18:08] <pickanick> It's a dell 7070 micro , worked more or less for two years, but with periodic freezing of USB keyboard and mouse, Dell just replaced the motherboard Friday, it seemed to work Saturday, and Sunday the ethernet and wifi went crazy.
[18:10] <pickanick> ethernet is on the motherboard, wifi is I believe a removable chip that was not replaced, only transferred to new MB.
[18:12] <pickanick> I did an apt update shortly before the MB replacement: Commandline: apt upgrade; Install: systemd-hwe-hwdb:amd64 (249.11.1, automatic); Upgrade: udev:amd64 (249.11-0ubuntu3.4, 249.11-0ubuntu3.6), systemd-timesyncd:amd64 (249.11-0ubuntu3.4, 249.11-0ubuntu3.6), libpam-systemd:amd64 (249.11-0ubuntu3.4, 249.11-0ubuntu3.6), libsystemd0:amd64 (249.11-0ubuntu3.4, 249.11-0ubuntu3.6), libnss-systemd:amd64  (249.11-0ubuntu3.4, 249.11-0ubuntu3.6), systemd:amd64 (249.11-
[18:12] <pickanick> 0ubuntu3.4, 249.11-0ubuntu3.6), libudev1:amd64 (249.11-0ubuntu3.4, 249.11-0ubuntu3.6), systemd-sysv:amd64 (249.11-0ubuntu3.4, 249.11-0ubuntu3.6), libspeechd2:amd64 (0.11.1-1ubuntu1, 0.11.1-1ubuntu2)
[18:14] <pickanick> How do I roll back an apt update just to eliminate this variable?
[18:15] <pickanick> kksilvery: I'm not sure what level of spec detail would be helpful.
[18:15] <kksilvery> https://askubuntu.com/questions/247549/is-it-possible-to-undo-an-apt-get-install-command
[18:15] <kksilvery> You can roll back the updates manually!
[18:16] <kksilvery> OptiPlex 7070 Micro desktop is an amazing PC.
[18:19] <pickanick> Yes, but it has been annoying with random freezes before and now this ethernet failure and iwlwifi hardware resets
[18:19] <pickanick> apt-undo upgrade ?
[18:19] <pickanick> Unable to locate package apt-undo
[18:21] <pickanick> hmm would need to use ppa:lkjoel/apt-undo , according to an answer from 2013.
[18:21] <kksilvery> sudo apt-get autoremove
[18:21] <kksilvery> Repeat the command until the network works.
[18:21] <kksilvery> You can update the software any time:)
[18:22] <kksilvery> I tried the 'sudo apt-get autoremove' in my laptop.
[18:22] <pickanick> autoremove is used to remove packages that were automatically installed to satisfy dependencies for other packages and are now no longer needed.
[18:22] <kksilvery> It works.
[18:22] <kksilvery> Try it.
[18:22] <pickanick> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[18:23] <kksilvery> Do one thing. Flash the Ubuntu 22.04 LTS in a flash drive. And run the software in demo mode.
[18:23] <kksilvery> Find out whether the network is working smoothly on the demo version.
[18:24] <kksilvery> Then update the software in the demo version. Find out how the latest updates affects the network functions.
[18:24] <pickanick> great idea. Can you remind me how to install required firmware on first boot?
[18:25] <RocketSkates> That is a great idea.
[18:25] <kksilvery> Are you talking about flashing the OS in the USB drive?
[18:27] <pickanick> I assume the plan is to boot the live USB OS. Then may have to install wifi and other drivers
[18:28] <kksilvery> Ubuntu will install or use the basic drivers. You don't have to install network drivers in Linux OS :)
[18:28] <kksilvery> I never installed a proprietary driver in my Core i3 11th gen laptop, and older computers.
[18:29] <pickanick> I reckon it's not your hair that's silvery ;)  Will try
[18:30] <kksilvery> Silvery is a 400 years old name bestowed by an Indian King :)
[18:30] <pickanick> Here goes...
[18:33] <pick> hmm the wired connection is never used, how to turn it on?
[18:34] <pickanick> the wired connection is "never used", how to turn it on?
[18:35] <kksilvery> Are you on Ubuntu?
[18:35] <pickanick> Kubuntu 22.04 USB
[18:35] <kksilvery> Try Ubuntu sir :(
[18:36] <kksilvery> We don't know if this is an issue with KDE only.
[18:36] <kksilvery> 1. If the network works with Ubuntu, then there is a problem with KDE.
[18:36] <kksilvery> 2. If the network fails to work on Ubuntu, then we have a faulty network chip.
[18:37] <kksilvery> 3. Try Wi-Fi.
[18:45] <pickanick> actually with a different cable and different router jack/port Ethernet is working off Kubuntu USB. However the iwlwifi Microcore  SW errors are detected.
[18:46] <pickanick> wired Ethernet appears stable. So this suggests some software setting or update to blame. will try Ubuntu next.
[18:48] <kksilvery> I never faced internet issues with Kubutu LTS on my AMD A4 (2014) notebook.
[18:48] <kksilvery> I have installed Ubuntu 22.04 LTS on Realme Slim Core i3 11-gen notebook.
[18:49] <kksilvery> I noticed a couple of UI bugs, but I never had network issues, or any other issues.
[18:49] <kksilvery> Go for Ubuntu. I recommend what I tried or use.
[18:51] <pickanick> thanks, booting
[18:59] <pickanick> ok so Ethernet works also, and WiFi card has the same Microcode SW errors and "ieee80211 phy0 hardware restart was requested"
[19:00] <kksilvery> There's some issue with the network chip.
[19:01] <pickanick> it worked before. the tech was fumbling with it to put it back, I'm going to try to remove and clean the contacts.
[19:01] <kksilvery> I recommend you to buy Wi-Fi USB dongle as an affordable solution, if you don't want to go through repairs.
[19:02] <kksilvery> Like I said, the network chip might be dying, and it's showing signs of failure.
[19:03] <kksilvery> I never faced this issue on my PC, laptop and notebooks. LAN and Wi-Fi network worked flawlessly.
[19:03] <pickanick> however the Ethernet Jack is fine, but there must be something wrong with the current state of the OS
[19:06] <kksilvery> Download https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/82185/intel-ethernet-connection-i219lm/downloads.html
[19:06] <kksilvery> Choose Linux and install the Intel® Ethernet Adapter Complete Driver Pack
[19:06] <kksilvery> I hope, this will resolve the issue.
[19:12] <pickanick> Thank you I will try this, but cannot do it immediately.
[19:13] <kksilvery> Good luck Pick A Nick buddy.


[08:40] <ruudt> Where can I find some hello world programs? I would like to write an app that accesses internet, reads xml files, downloads images and displays them. I'd prefer to use the framebuffer if that is possible to avoid to much overhead. The program needs to be as simple as possible
[08:41] <ruudt> Not yet decided on programming language, and still not sure how to actually build any program though (yes, quickly, but that won't fit my previous list of demands)
[08:43] <ruudt> JanC Pointed me to some websites for frambuffer and said I could probably use existing programs to do what I want. but I haven't found any resources that start from the level I am on now
[08:47] <noodles775> sheesh, that was fast.
[11:04] <jml> wow. django is its own little world, isn't it
[11:05] <noodles775> jml: heh - what have you found now? :)
[11:05] <jml> noodles775: 'import django' raises an error unless an environment variable is set
[11:09] <jml> A guy across the road from me just left his macbook on  window sill
[11:09] <jml> tilted down slightly toward the street three stories below
[11:10] <noodles775> ?! Maybe he's streaming from the web-cam (and testing how many floors his wireless is good for)
[11:10] <rickspencer3> jml, so, are you saying with a couple friends, a blanket, and a tennis ball, you can have a free macbook?
[11:10] <jml> rickspencer3: yep!
[11:11] <jml> actually he's back now, I think I could get it if I just stood below, gave him a good fright and managed an easy catch
[11:11] <jml> noodles775: I'm guessing he's trying to get free wifi from somewhere
[11:13] <noodles775> jml: I'm not sure if this is the env var you're talking about: http://paste.ubuntu.com/745796/
[11:15] <jml> noodles775: yeah that one. Although I confess I was doing "from django import test"
[11:16] <lukasz> jml: afaik, as long as you're not touching db in django you don't need settings module (tests are pulling db setup stuff)
[11:43] <jo-erlend> rickspencer3 :)
[11:54] <jml> OK. Now that the plumber has been and gone, I'm going to have a shower.
[11:54] <jml> \o/
[11:59] <jo-erlend> ah, thank you. I didn't want to say anything. :)
[13:13] <jml> OK. So here are my yaks: bug 893520, bug 893539 and bug 887960
[13:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 893520 in pkgme "DistributionNotFound error when running system-installed pkgme" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/893520
[13:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 893539 in python-fixtures "Inconsistent names for built-in fixtures" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/893539
[13:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 887960 in pkgme-service "Run tests with testr" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/887960
[13:13] <jml> oh and 893563
[13:13] <jml> bug 893563
[13:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 893563 in pkgme-service "No "nice" way to run tests" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/893563
[13:30] <noodles775> jml: if you run virtualenv/bin/python, you should have access to import all the packages that have been installed in the virtualenv. I'm no virtualenv expert, but I think the description of bug 893563 is confused.
[13:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 893563 in pkgme-service "No "nice" way to run tests" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/893563
[13:31] <noodles775> If you have time to mumble, I'd be keen to understand it - but it's really just for my own learning, so I understand if you just want to fix it.
[13:31] <jml> noodles775: ok, sure, let's mumble
[14:08] <jml> james_w: https://code.launchpad.net/~jml/pkgme-service/actually-run-pkgme/+merge/83024 is at a good point for a review, I think
[14:08]  * jml → food
[14:09]  * james_w jumps on it
[14:14] <noodles775> jml, james_w: oh, I meant to ask you guys - do you think it would be beneficial to start reviewing different projects (I obviously do think so :-), just having other developers with different experience can lead to a lot of learning)
[14:14] <james_w> noodles775, I do
[14:16] <james_w> noodles775, do you want to review this branch?
[14:16] <noodles775> james_w: heh, no - not quite yet, but I just wanted to find out whether you guys were open to the idea.
[14:16] <james_w> I am and I expect jml will be
[14:18] <jml> I am
[14:23] <james_w> reviewed
[14:50] <jml> james_w: thanks.
[14:50] <jml> james_w: I'd move acceptance into the namespace, but I can't run pkgme-binary tests atm (because of the subunit/pkg_resources bug)
[14:58] <james_w> jml, so the problem is that python-subunit doesn't ship the egg-info dir in the package?
[14:58] <jml> james_w: is it?
[14:59] <james_w> that's what it looks like to me
[15:01] <jml> Hmm.
[15:02] <jml> Bottom.
[15:03] <james_w> jml, so subunit is just a test dependency
[15:03] <jml> james_w: yeah, I guess so
[15:03] <james_w> so we could look at moving it in setup.py or something
[15:05] <jml> right. have a test-requirements thing like many ISD projects do
[15:32] <jml> james_w: call?
[15:32] <james_w> jml, yup
[15:32] <james_w> on mumble if that suits you
[15:37] <jml> james_w: http://pad.ubuntu.com/dTPkqhGow8
[15:37] <jo-erlend> perhaps someone with access should delete the page about data storage from developer.ubuntu.com since that will no longer be available?
[15:43] <james_w> jml, still there?
[15:44] <jml> james_w: hello?
[15:44] <jml> james_w: my internet connection died :(
[15:45] <jml> james_w: and now mumble greyscreens on connect
[15:45] <james_w> damn
[16:14] <noodles775> james_w: Here's the info about the juju charm: http://micknelson.wordpress.com/2011/11/22/a-generic-juju-charm-for-django-apps/
[16:16] <james_w> noodles775, excellent, thanks
[16:16]  * james_w queues it up for reading
[16:19] <james_w> jo-erlend, you raise a good point, I'll pass it on to the relevant people
[17:04] <james_w> noodles775, looks great, nice work
[17:05] <james_w> noodles775, changing the paths in the branch broke a link or two in your post though
[17:05] <noodles775> james_w: they're working now I think?
[17:05] <james_w> where you point to loggerhead urls inside the branch, the paths are now wrong
[17:05] <james_w> oh
[17:05]  * noodles775 just went through them all.
[17:05] <noodles775> Let me know if that's not the case.
[17:05] <james_w> didn't refresh, sorry
[17:07] <noodles775> np. So it's demo-able now, but a good list of things we'd need to do when we want to actually use it.
[17:07] <noodles775> Night all!
[17:12] <james_w> night
[17:13]  * jml → kickboxing
[18:22] <dpm> jo-erlend, thanks, and as James says, good point. Would you mind filing a bug on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntudeveloperportal/+filebug so that we can keep track of it and fix it as soon as we can?
[18:23] <dpm> apart from that, calling it a day now, so see you all tomorrow!
[18:25] <james_w> oh, I filled it at https://bugs.launchpad.net/developer-portal, was that incorrect?