[14:14] <_MMA_> BenC: Are the links abogani (Alessio) posted in the email (wrt -rt) sufficient for your request?
[14:16] <BenC> _MMA_: I'm already working on it
[14:16]  * _MMA_ hugs Ben. I owe you many beers.
[14:29] <Ng> rtg: did you get anything useful back from Intel?
[14:30] <rtg> Ng: stonewalling.
[14:30] <rtg> Jesse has not proposed a solution. I think they are still trying to repro the corruption.
[14:34] <Ng> rtg: do you know what's stored in the EEPROM that we might ever actually want to write to?
[14:34] <Ng> I don't know when the freezes for us/kernel.org are, but I'm really concerned that this will sneak into releases
[14:35] <rtg> Ng: I think there must be an ASIC on the card, or perhaps a CPU, because the firmware is necessary in order for the PCI scan to work.
[14:35] <rtg> Ng: Its already in releases. This issue goes back to the initial incarnation of e1000.
[14:35] <rtg> Ng: for some reason, its just starting to show up more often.
[14:35] <Ng> rtg: ah right
[14:36] <Ng> rtg: what I'm wondering is if we actually need the write support
[14:36] <Ng> I don't know what's stored in there, but if we don't change it in normal operation, why keep it around and risk further damage? :)
[14:37] <rtg> Ng: I'm watching the netdev mailling list. If I have not seen any more activity on it by Monday, I'll stir the pot.
[14:37] <Ng> ok
[14:38] <rtg> Ng: what I don't understand is how flash could be getting corrupted by  oops in the kernel. Even if that memory space is cribbled on, flash requires command to setup for writes. Its not as simple as just writing some values. there is a whole flash update protocol required by the hardware.
[14:45] <Ng> rtg: what would normally cause that update protocol to be used?
[14:45] <Ng> is it just ethtool operations?
[14:46] <rtg> Ng: pretty much. It requires intervention by an operator. changing flash is not something that is normally done, except when updating firmware.
[14:46] <Ng> could it be something like network-manager tickling it when it switches networks? like if it sets some properties on the device maybe?
[14:47] <Ng> if nothing else they should surely put in something which logs flash writes, so they might at least be able to figure out what is doing it?
[14:47] <rtg> Ng: seems unlikely. Your bug report indicated that you were not doing anything special wrt networking, correct?
[14:48] <Ng> rtg: not that I was aware of
[14:48] <Ng> but Nm0.7 does have much deeper options for network interfaces, like setting MACs and so on
[14:48] <rtg> Ng: it also takes CAP_ADMIN provs to write flash, which NM does not have.
[14:48] <Ng> hmm
[14:50] <Ng> I guess that ethtool stuff makes it a bit unreasonable to make the flash part read-only :/
[14:51] <amitk> BenC: ok with you if I update aufs to the latest?
[14:51] <rtg> Ng: the vmware guys think its an exclusion/locking issue, but I'm not convinced. the ICH8 has a hardware method for locking that (unless the HW is broken) look fool proof.
[15:06] <BenC> amitk: hell yeah
[15:06]  * BenC hates messing with aufs
[15:07] <Ng> rtg: yeah I saw the rubbishing of their patch
[15:10] <Ng> rtg: if they'd just make it possible to dump/restore the thing I'd be happy to start peppering the driver with printk()s so if it happens again I'd have more info
[15:11] <Ng> as it is I think I'm going to have to disable the NIC in the BIOS and remove e1000*.ko
[15:14] <rtg> Ng: you use mostly wireless anyway? Disabling the e1000e is probably a good idea until the corruption issue gets sorted out.
[15:14] <Ng> rtg: I prefer to use wired in the office, but I can live without it
[15:15] <rtg> Ng: you could always use an external USB ethernet
[15:16] <Ng> yeah
[15:20] <Ng> rtg: can you think of anything other than ethtool which would even be likely to try and trigger the writes?
[15:25] <rtg> Ng: honestly, I think flash writes is a red herring. I'm wondering if there is a more prosaic reason, like some hardware issue with the part.
[15:26] <rtg> Ng: but, no, ethtool should be the only thing capable of writing to flash.
[15:27] <Ng> NM looks like it at least reads ethtool info from an ioctl
[16:11] <rtg> mdomsch: I'm starting to get the hang of this DKMS stuff. I'm gonna use it to replace build madwifi from the madwifi-hal-2008-08-15 branch which has support for newer Atheros parts.
[16:12] <mdomsch> rtg, sweet
[16:12] <mdomsch> thanks for the +1 on mario's app for core-dev too
[16:13] <rtg> mdomsch: np. he deserves it.
[16:37] <mkrufky> where can i find the licenses for the firmware images shipped in /lib/firmware/`uname -r`/ ?
[16:38] <rtg> mkrufky: probably somewhere in /usr/share. I think its a debian policy thing
[16:40] <mkrufky> thanks, rtg
[16:42] <mkrufky> actually, rtg, i dont see a way here to find out the license associated to a particular firmware file
[16:43] <rtg> are they all jammed together in file?
[16:43] <mkrufky> dvb-usb-dib0700-1.10.fw
[16:43] <mkrufky> well, i dont even see anything that deals with firmware license at all
[16:43] <mkrufky> that doesnt mean its not there... i just dont see it ;-)
[16:44] <rtg> mkrufky: is this LRM ? I can't remember what package that FW comes from.
[16:44] <mkrufky> i dont think so... i think it came with the default kernel
[16:44] <mkrufky> its on every fresh install of ubuntu
[16:44] <mkrufky> its *in* ^^
[16:44] <rtg> mkrufky: Hardy?
[16:45] <mkrufky> hardy, yes
[16:45] <mkrufky> i didnt go back to look at dapper / hoary. fiesty
[16:48] <rtg> mkrufky: its installed from the LRM package. perhaps BenC would know. he's more up on debian policies than am I.
[16:49] <mkrufky> ah, okay
[17:01] <BenC> mkrufky: if it's from the default kernel, then it's in the kernel source tree...or in git-log's
[17:01] <mkrufky> hmm
[17:02] <mkrufky> ok, i'll search git
[17:02] <mkrufky> thanks, BenC and rtg
[17:25] <sioux> who know if spca561a module is available by default on next intrepid kernel?
[17:59] <rtg> mdomsch: how do I prevent LRM from installing new madwifi binaries on the next minor version update? Or rather, how do I get the DKMS package to trigger a rebuild such that it stashes the new LRM kernel modules and replaces them with the DKMS modules?
[18:00] <mdomsch> hmm
[18:00] <mdomsch> where did LRM put its copy?
[18:00] <rtg> madwifi/ath_pci.ko
[18:01] <rtg> and volatile/ath_hal.ko
[18:01] <mdomsch> is the MODULE_VERSION() in there < the one in the DKMS database?
[18:02] <rtg> I just refresh trhe LRM package, so the version didn't change. I downloaded the deb and 'dpkg -i blah...'
[18:02] <mdomsch> right
[18:02] <mdomsch> well, here's how it works
[18:03] <mdomsch> you dkms install a new package
[18:03] <mdomsch> it drops its result in to /lib/modules/$kernelver/extra/
[18:03] <mdomsch> if LRM drops a new package elsewhere in the tree
[18:04] <mdomsch> it'll get ignored as long as /extra/ is in the modprobe search path earlier than drivers/
[18:04] <mdomsch> which it should be
[18:04] <rtg> I've been dropping the DKMS bits in /updates. I'll try putting them in /extras
[18:05] <mdomsch> rtg, whichever, doesn't matter
[18:05] <mdomsch> as long as it's in the search path before where LRM puts it
[18:06] <rtg> mdomsch: another problem I forsee is if I remove the DKMS package. Its gonna restore the stashed copies of the LRM modules to the version prior to this most recent LRM update.
[18:07] <mdomsch> yes
[18:07] <rtg> ok, I just need to be aware of the caveats.
[18:07]  * mdomsch hated the whole 'stash a copy' thing
[18:08] <mdomsch> but we didn't have a search path in modprobe at the time
[18:08] <rtg> mdis there a way to disable the stash thing?
[18:08] <rtg> mdomsch: ^^
[18:08] <mdomsch> not that I can think of
[18:08] <mdomsch> at present
[18:09] <rtg> mdomsch: it would be a useful feature in this case.
[18:25] <rtg> mdomsch: hmm, I changed to dkms.conf:DEST_MODULE_LOCATION[0]="/extras/madwifi-hal-2008-08-15", but the bits are still getting put in /updates. I extracted the package on the target machine and looked at its dkms.conf just to be sure.
[18:25] <mdomsch> rtg, yeah
[18:25] <mdomsch> that value is just advisory anymore
[18:25] <mdomsch> it gets overridden when various other bits are present
[18:26] <rtg> mdomsch: oh, I was using your OLS paper example.
[18:26] <mdomsch> rtg, that's somewhat outdate  too :-)
[18:26] <mdomsch> it's mostly right though
[18:27] <mdomsch> on Ubuntu, DKMS installs into /updates/dkms/
[18:27] <mdomsch> there's a distro-version check to override DEST_MODULE_LOCATION
[18:27] <mdomsch> function override_dest_module_location()
[18:28] <rtg> mdomsch: ok, I'll muck about and see what I can wreck.
[18:29] <mdomsch> it is also configurable by setting addon-modules-dir=something/ in /etc/sysconfig/module-init-tools
[18:29] <mdomsch> or ADDON_MODULES_DIR in the environment calling DKMS
[19:02] <rtg> mdomsch: alright, this is pretty cool. I think I've got a solution for all of the Atheros advanced chipset crackheads.
[19:03] <mdomsch> oh?
[19:03] <rtg> I especially like how DKMS rebuilds itself when I booted to a different ABI.
[19:04] <mdomsch> it should rebuild when you install a new kernel with a new ABI too
[19:04] <mdomsch> before reboot
[19:04] <rtg> mdomsch: right, but I wanted to make sure booting to an older kernel also worked.
[19:04] <mdomsch> ah, yes
[19:05] <rtg> mdomsch: anyway, kudos. its a great package.
[19:05] <mdomsch> glad it's useful to you
[19:05] <mdomsch> and I'm glad to see it's wide use in Ubuntu
[19:05]  * mdomsch nods to superm1 for that
[19:05] <mdomsch> he's the official maintainer now too
[19:06] <rtg> mdomsch: Mario is actually whom I'm doing this for.
[23:54] <CarlFK> smb_tp: just say your note - about to try, so don't go home yet :)
[23:55] <smb_tp> CarlFK, I am home. Not working very much longer but I'll wait for you to try. ;-)


[00:19] <elmaciej> Hi Again! Question about charms - how the charm is parsing the records from config.yaml to the template file. I added the property in the template and the property in config.yaml . But when I'm setting it it not goes to the final rendered file. There is new line with property but it not parsing the value which I'm putting
[09:03] <ybaumy> can i use constraints to datastore and primary and external network? when deploying a charm
[10:03] <ybaumy> can i resize a vsphere VM with juju commands
[10:08] <ybaumy> also the kubernetes elastic charm does not start elasticsearch since java 8 is not in the repos
[10:28] <ybaumy> and they interface is also broke


[11:17] <stefw> hey guys. can I use upstart + a dbus interface to restart a system service (eg: winbind)
[11:17] <stefw> after installation of winbind i don't see it listed as an upstart job (looking via d-feet)


[21:47] <Guest16> Hi ,I was trying to configure logdna via cloud-init
[21:48] <Guest16> i was wondering if there is any logdna module in could-init ?


[00:01] <^paradox^> i cant find sound juicer in my menus
[00:01] <TheSheep> it's not installed by default
[00:02] <Odd-rationale> it is in ubuntu...
[00:02] <TheSheep> Odd-rationale: apparently this is xubuntu
[00:02] <Odd-rationale> TheSheep: yes, but he had ubuntu then installed xubuntu-desktop ontop...
[00:02] <TheSheep> Odd-rationale: also, in ubuntu you won't get 'location not found' with totem, because you have full gnome-vfs support
[00:03] <Odd-rationale> i see...
[00:04] <TheSheep> I suppose this is a xubuntu bug
[00:04] <^paradox^> the message i get now is totem coulnt play the file. the specified movie could not be found
[00:04] <TheSheep> ^paradox^: it's audio cd, vcd or dvd?
[00:05] <^paradox^> audio cd with downloaded songs
[00:05] <TheSheep> ^paradox^: it's audio cd or data cd with mp3 files on it?
[00:05] <^paradox^> it was burned as an audio cd
[00:06] <TheSheep> ok
[00:06] <TheSheep> ^paradox^: well, I guess you could install sound-juicer or some other player, like audacious
[00:06] <TheSheep> ^paradox^: totem is not too good for playing music anyways
[00:06] <Odd-rationale> vlc should be able to play audio cd as well
[00:07] <pist0l-fish> hi all. I just recently installed Xubuntu and it came with Totem. For some reason, Totem displays a black screen when I attempt to view movies but still plays audio. When I take a screenshot, it still works (so SOMETHING is being decoded :P)
[00:07] <TheSheep> !codecs | pist0l-fish
[00:07] <Odd-rationale> pist0l-fish: what do you mean by taking a screen shot still works?
[00:08] <^paradox^> ok but with vlc im not sure how to play the cd since in gnome it just starts automatically
[00:08] <pist0l-fish> Totem has a feature that allows you to take a screenshot of the video currently playing
[00:08] <pist0l-fish> so it's able to decode the video.... it just doesn't display it >_<
[00:08] <Odd-rationale> pist0l-fish: oh ok. so that does not give you black screen?
[00:08] <pist0l-fish> Odd-rationale: yes
[00:08] <pist0l-fish> (it does not)
[00:09] <Odd-rationale> pist0l-fish: how about vlc?
[00:09] <pist0l-fish> haven't tried
[00:09] <Odd-rationale> (my favorite media player ... :P)
[00:09] <pist0l-fish> wait, I think I have actually; brb
[00:10] <ddelony> What's the problem?
[00:11] <pist0l-fish> Odd-rationale: yes it works in VLC
[00:12] <ddelony> What about mplayer?
[00:13] <pist0l-fish> ddelony: lol, cmon now. The point is that I have the decoder, but Totem doesn't want to use it... I'm sure it will work in mplayer
[00:13] <pist0l-fish> unless totem and mplayer use some kind of similar library
[00:13] <^paradox^> it seems when i try to select cdrom and open it in any player nothing shows up
[00:13] <Odd-rationale> pist0l-fish: no. totem uses gstreamer by default...
[00:14] <pist0l-fish> and vlc has all its own decoding algorithms in the binary, right?
[00:14] <ddelony> pist0l-fish: Are you trying to play DVDs?
[00:14] <pist0l-fish> nope, mkvs, mpegs, avis...
[00:15] <pist0l-fish> oh well. I guess I'll just erase totem and use VLC
[00:15] <ddelony> One problem with AVIs at least is that they're just wrappers around other codecs.
[00:15] <ddelony> You really have no idea what's inside them.
[00:15] <pist0l-fish> ddelony: didn't know that; you learn something new everyday
[00:16] <^paradox^> oh damn lol
[00:16] <ddelony> Wikipedia says vlc comes with a bunch of its own codex.
[00:16] <^paradox^> got it to work vlc
[00:16] <ddelony> *codecs
[00:16] <pist0l-fish> yeah it's all in the binary
[00:16] <^paradox^> seems i wasnt selecting track number
[00:16] <ddelony> I tend to like vlc over xine anyway.
[00:16] <pist0l-fish> or wait. No it isn't. I might have lied there.
[00:17] <pist0l-fish> thanks for your help, adios
[00:20] <^paradox^> ok im a little confused with vlc
[00:23] <^paradox^> i can select any single track, but shipping to next seems to have no effect
[00:23] <Odd-rationale> i gtg eat... see you all later!
[00:24] <^paradox^> see ya later thanks
[00:25] <^paradox^> actually im gonna go put on a cup of instant coffee. ill be back in a few minutes
[00:45] <^paradox^> kk im back
[00:45] <Odd-rationale> me too
[00:46] <^paradox^> now i just need some help with vlc
[00:47] <^paradox^> i still havent been able to figure it out
[00:47] <Odd-rationale> ^paradox^: you went to file --> open disc --> audio cd ?
[00:47] <^paradox^> yup
[00:47] <Odd-rationale> what's in fo device?
[00:48] <^paradox^> i can select a track number to play, but skipping to next seems to do nothing
[00:48] <Odd-rationale> ^paradox^: can you set Track to 0 ?
[00:48] <^paradox^> well i can try
[00:49] <^paradox^> its aldready set to track 0 when i go thru the steps u listed above
[00:49] <^paradox^> then it plays track 1
[00:50] <xindo> i just switched out of x to a terminal with crtl-alt-f3, i switched back to the x term with crtl-alt-f7, it made me log in again, closed all my apps, is this normal?
[00:50] <Odd-rationale> can you switch to track 2?
[00:50] <Odd-rationale> ^paradox^: ?
[00:50] <^paradox^> i can yeh im here
[00:50] <Odd-rationale> xindo: nvidia?
[00:50] <xindo> yes
[00:51] <Odd-rationale> xindo: it's a known bug... you'll have to live with it.. :|
[00:51] <xindo> k, thank you
[00:51] <xindo> Odd-rationale: xubuntu only, or ubuntu also?
[00:52] <Odd-rationale> xindo: the nvidia xorg drivers...
[00:52] <Odd-rationale> xindo: will effect all buntus...
[00:52] <xindo> i see, thanks again
[00:55] <^paradox^> ok see this is weird when i go to open disc > file > file system > cdrom nothing shows up
[00:56] <^paradox^> yet when i select a track thru other method it plays
[00:58] <^paradox^> thats where im confused
[00:59] <^paradox^> i hardly ever play CDs in this machine, but id like to know whats going on
[01:02] <Josh_LPWI> are there any gui tools to easily send/receive over bluetooth on xubuntu?
[01:03] <Josh_LPWI> I installed a bunch of bluetooth apps using add/remove but nothing showed up in the applications menu
[01:03] <^paradox^> ok cool cause a guy in another channel acted like he lost me
[01:04] <^paradox^> lol wrong channel
[01:06] <^paradox^> Odd-rationale: can u see my messages? i thought irc might have quit on me for a minute
[01:06] <Odd-rationale> ^paradox^: yeah i'm here.
[01:06] <^paradox^> it acted like it wanted to boot me
[01:07] <favafro> Josh_LPWI: do they show up in applications-accessories-appfinder?
[01:10] <Josh_LPWI> didn't look there, is that for anything that got installed but didnt' make it automatically to the menu?
[01:11] <^paradox^> im copying a cd to make sure there no problems with cd burning
[01:13] <^paradox^> u know i gotta tell ya speed wise i luv xubuntu :D
[01:13] <Odd-rationale> yeah. i like xfce, too
[01:14] <^paradox^> cosmetics arent the only thing that matter
[01:15] <Odd-rationale> xfce doesn't look too bad...
[01:15] <^paradox^> it does take a little getting used to
[01:17]  * cody-somerville jaunts around the room.
[01:17] <^paradox^> one feature id like to see is being able to single left click to open things everywhere
[01:18] <Odd-rationale> ^paradox^: thunar can do this? no?
[01:18] <^paradox^> yes but not on the desktop
[01:19] <^paradox^> its not a big deal. its a good trade off for better speed
[01:20] <^paradox^> and if such a feature would slow down xfce then id be against it
[01:22] <^paradox^> i guess im still a little spoiled to some of my old windows ways ;)
[01:42] <Chetyre> I'm having a problem connecting to a wireless network.  Is anyone around who can help?
[01:43] <^paradox^> if i only have xubuntu-desktop not the os will i get updates for it as well?
[01:43] <KleinerHai> Hi, can you see your carte in system?
[01:43] <Chetyre> Yeah, I installed the drivers for it with ndiswrapper
[01:43] <KleinerHai> ^paradox^: Sure °°
[01:43] <KleinerHai> Now it does not work?
[01:43] <Chetyre> But for some reason, I can't connect to a network that uses a WEP key
[01:44] <KleinerHai> Ah! Okay!
[01:44] <^paradox^> well cool. cause i like it alot
[01:45] <KleinerHai> Chetyre: Look here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=278398
[01:45] <KleinerHai> Here you should finde your solution.
[01:45] <Chetyre> Thanks!
[01:46] <KleinerHai> No problem. But you should also read anything about wpa supplicant.
[01:46] <KleinerHai> It's advanced, but very usefull!
[01:46] <^paradox^> i guess i had it easy. as soon as i hooked my machine up to the network it was already setup
[01:46] <KleinerHai> By the way: Use WPA instead.
[01:46] <Chetyre> I would, except it's not my router
[01:46] <Chetyre> I'll ask him to switch it though
[01:47] <KleinerHai> Ah okay.
[01:50] <shaeffer_> i just switched from kubuntu 6.06 to heron, but then quickly installed xfce becuase kde4 doesn't play nice with my old machine.  Is Adept an ok package manager to use for xfce?  Not sure on the protocol here, if package managers are supposed to be specific to distro (it mentions a lot of KDE stuff in there)
[01:50] <shaeffer_> Adept was working, now it warns me I need root access to do anything... loads up but I can't make any changes
[01:50] <shaeffer_> this happens when starting through the menu
[01:51] <KleinerHai> For me it works great.
[01:51] <KleinerHai> He asks every time when you want to change the sytem. It's normal.
[01:52] <shaeffer_> but it doesn't even allow me to enter in password
[01:53] <shaeffer_> i.e. i can't install anything
[01:53] <shaeffer_> how do i ensure I can use adept properly through the menu?
[01:53] <KleinerHai> Uhm...
[01:53] <KleinerHai> sudo adept?
[01:53] <shaeffer_> through the menu
[01:53] <shaeffer_> not the command line
[01:55] <Odd-rationale> shaeffer_: no, adept is probably not a good chioce to use on xfce. use synaptics
[01:55] <KleinerHai> I think it's possible to change the menu entry for adept into root.
[01:55] <KleinerHai> why isn't it?
[01:57] <Odd-rationale> well, it uses qt, not gtk. so it will have to load all the qt/kde libs when it starts making it slower to start. Synaptic on the other hand, uses gtk, which xfce also uses. so those libs are usually already loaded and it start faster
[01:57] <Odd-rationale> the other reason is Synaptic is simply better... :P
[01:58] <KleinerHai> Ah. Okay.
[02:00] <shaeffer_> yeah i guess i like the interface better anyway
[02:02] <shaeffer_> ah good, this one is now in the menu, and asks for password
[02:06] <shaeffer_> thanks.. and another question
[02:07] <shaeffer_> ktorrent is installed and runs, but no user interface
[02:07] <shaeffer_> i just noticed too it uses qt
[02:07] <shaeffer_> any alternate recommendations?
[02:07] <Odd-rationale> shaeffer_: yeah. a good gtk one would be transmission
[02:07] <shaeffer_> okey dokey... *runs off and installs*
[02:07] <Odd-rationale> or deluge, which interface is similar to ktorrent
[02:08] <Odd-rationale> but transmission is lighter :P
[02:10] <^paradox^> well i guess off for the nite. thanks all
[02:10] <Odd-rationale> ^paradox^: see ya!
[02:23] <xindo> anyone recommend a cad program?
[02:58] <trevor> can someone help me get sound working?
[02:58] <cody-somerville> !sound | trevor
[03:00] <trevor> done all that
[03:02] <trevor> guess ill switch to oss
[03:14] <shaeffer_> doh
[03:14] <shaeffer_> i actually had useful advice, but not quick enough
[04:13] <ozkugh> how can i use dd to copy everything on my old drive to a newer bigger drive and be able to use the new hd to boot off of? im running xubuntu off it
[04:55] <asxx> hello? anyone out there? or all sleeping
[04:56] <asxx> I need a bit of help~~
[05:35] <The-Kernel> I don't get it, whenever I start buring a disc, no matter what program, it locks up pidgin
[05:51] <j00bacca> what are windows managers, like enlightenment?
[05:51] <j00bacca> how are they different from xfce desktop?
[06:15] <The_Kernel> XFCE is a windows manager
[06:15] <The_Kernel> enlightenment is just another kind
[06:51] <uat> o/
[06:51] <uat> how can i retrive my nick password?
[06:51] <uat> here on irc
[07:40] <jarnos> Why Xubuntu 8.10 alpha alternate installs lilo boot manager?
[07:42] <jarnos> Can it be installed in XFS partition? (It should not overwrite boot sector of a XFS partititon.)
[07:43] <The_Kernel> why XFS jarnos?
[07:44] <jarnos> The-Kernel: Why not? I think it is a good fs.
[07:45] <jarnos> The-Kernel: installation program offers it as an alternative.
[07:47] <zoredache_> ext3 has been tested far more
[07:47] <The_Kernel> have you looked at the wiki abotu XFS?
[07:47] <The_Kernel> The disadvantages will kill it
[07:48] <The_Kernel> You can't set up certain quotas
[07:50] <The_Kernel> There is no undelete utility for XFS
[07:51] <The_Kernel> An XFS file system cannot be shrunk
[07:51] <The_Kernel> Creation and deletion of directory entries is a much slower metadata operation than other file systems.
[07:51] <The_Kernel> Failure-handling policies can be improved
[07:51] <The_Kernel> The use of XFS file systems on LVM2 logical volumes can cause system freezes under Linux based operating systems
[07:56] <jarnos> The-Kernel: I would have appreciated more, if you had told me that before/during the installation process.
[07:58] <The_Kernel> LOL
[07:58] <The_Kernel> well...um....you didn't ask!
[08:02] <The_Kernel> anyways
[08:02] <The_Kernel> I'm off
[08:03] <The_Kernel> I gotta get up early tomorrow and figure out this weird NFS issue
[08:03] <The_Kernel> once 250 connections are made, both servers crash
[08:03] <The_Kernel> kernel panics and the likes
[08:04] <zoredache> try a different nfs server
[08:04] <The_Kernel> :
[08:04] <The_Kernel> :P
[08:04] <The_Kernel> Yeah
[08:04] <The_Kernel> I have
[08:04] <The_Kernel> works fine
[08:05] <The_Kernel> The only difference is that the servers that aren't working at RH based
[08:05] <The_Kernel> not debian like I normally set up
[08:08] <nubuntu> guys, i installed flock as per instructions on this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingFlock  but i can't seem to get launcher into menu.  if you notice 3/4 down the page there are some instructions on how to refresh gnome panel, and another to refresh kde, but i don't use those in xubuntu, right?
[08:09]  * nubuntu looks longingly at Odd-rationale, the keeper of the Knowledge
[08:10] <R1cochet> wondering if i can run beryl on xubuntu?
[08:11]  * jarnos is still wondering why the 8.10 alternate installation cd installs lilo instead of grub; it did not even offer grub as an alternative.
[08:12] <zoredache> jarnos: most likely your chose a filesystem or partitioning scheme that grub can't read from
[08:13] <R1cochet> can i run beryl on xubuntu?
[08:13] <zoredache> if you really want grub, make yourself a 50mb /boot partition that is ext3
[08:13] <zoredache> R1cochet: I believe so, but don't ask me how
[08:13] <zoredache> !eyecandy
[08:13] <zoredache> !beryl
[08:13] <zoredache> !compiz
[08:15] <jarnos> zoredache: I thought it is not necessary<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Anyway, I think 50mb is not enough with all those expected kernel updates.
[08:16] <R1cochet> ty
[08:16] <zoredache> jarnos: kernel updates usually overwrite the existing kernel...  50mb has been fine on my laptop
[08:17] <zoredache> or delete your old kernels...
[08:19] <jarnos> zoredache: That is what I had to do in 8.04 for which there has been several kernel updates that have generated several initrd.img*  and other files in /boot
[08:20] <jarnos> zoredache: Anyway, I think it is good that you can boot older kernel, if there is some problem with the new one.
[08:21] <zoredache> perhaps, but how many old kernels do you need?  50mb should be fine for 2-3
[08:21] <zoredache> a know working and the last 3-4 recent...
[08:26] <uatever> anyone around that can help me?
[08:30] <zoredache> !ask
[08:30] <zoredache> !night
[08:33] <uatever> roflol ok =P
[08:34] <uatever> is raid-0 under ICH9R supported or will i need any drivers?
[08:34] <zoredache> no idea.  Did you try to look on Google?
[08:35] <uatever> yeah
[08:36] <zoredache> do you have raid-0 setup already?  You could try booting off a livecd and looking
[08:38] <uatever> yeah its set
[08:38] <uatever> but im running xubuntu under vmware
[08:38] <uatever> but i guess i could do that
[08:39] <zoredache> You have a good backup system in place right?  RAID0 is just asking to loose everything
[08:40] <uatever> yeah
[08:40] <uatever> i burn everything
[08:40] <uatever> everyday
[08:40] <uatever> and they are WD disks built for raid's
[08:40] <uatever> they run specially well under raid0
[08:40] <uatever> but yeah i know the percs =P
[08:49]  * jarnos wonders why it takes so loong time to run grub-install on a single-drive PC; I have waited 15min already.  BTW. ubuntu installation is sloow, too.
[08:52]  * jarnos wonders will grub-install ever finnish.
[08:53] <jarnos> In<EMAIL_ADDRESS>can you remove "(say)" from the command.
[09:00]  * jarnos wonders if grub-install will ever finish.
[09:04]  * jarnos wonders what happens, if he kills grub-install.
[09:07] <nubuntu> guys, i installed flock as per instructions on this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingFlock  but i can't seem to get launcher into menu.  if you notice 3/4 down the page there are some instructions on how to refresh gnome panel, and another to refresh kde, but i don't use those in xubuntu, right?
[09:16]  * jarnos wonders no more; he kills the bastard (meaning grub-install process. Apology for bad language.)
[09:40] <Myrtti> jarnos: you know, when I've installed xubuntu from the alternate disk, everytime the first installation of grub fails
[09:40] <Myrtti> then when I do it again from the menus it succeeds
[09:47] <jarnos> Myrtti: Which menus?
[09:47] <Myrtti> in the alternate debinstaller disk
[09:49] <jarnos> Myrtti: I haven't heard about a debinstaller disk.
[09:50] <Myrtti> alternate installer uses debinstaller or whatever it was
[09:50] <Myrtti> the blue ncurses based one
[09:55] <jarnos> Myrtti: So it is the alternate disk. But don't you use a menu item in the beginning also. I don't see your point.
[11:16] <jamesjeffery> hey all. I am using a USB CDROM to install, but during the install I get "No Common CD-ROM device found". Not sure how to solve the issue, any ideas?
[11:16] <acridfusion> hmm haven't tried that one yet.
[11:16] <acridfusion> how old is the cdrom?
[11:17] <jamesjeffery> it's a medion, laptop is about 2 years old. It don't have a CD Rom drive built in (not sure why) so they gave me a USB Drive
[11:18] <jamesjeffery> it asks me to select a module and device by providing a path, but not sure what to use.
[11:19] <jamesjeffery> would a USB stick install work you think?
[11:19] <acridfusion> i don't think i can help, maybe try in #ubuntu
[11:19] <acridfusion> maybe
[11:20] <acridfusion> i would asume the usb ports need to be recognized as well
[11:20] <jamesjeffery> when I type dsmeg it says USB Mass Storage support is enabled
[11:20] <acridfusion> that is a tough one..
[11:21] <jamesjeffery> usbcore: registered new interface driver libusual
[11:21] <jamesjeffery> registered new interface driver usb-storage
[11:36] <jamesjeffery> can you do a network boot on kubuntu ?
[11:36] <jamesjeffery> i have PXE on lappy
[11:37] <jamesjeffery> kubuntu/xubuntu i mean
[12:42] <jarnos> My keyboard and mouse got soft-broken. Mouse cursor followed movement, but I couldn't left-click. Keyboard was wild, too.
[12:42] <jarnos> This is in Hurdy.
[12:46] <jarnos> It was at least 2nd time.
[13:49] <vidd> does anyone have the wl_apsta-<IP_ADDRESS>.o? (for the b43-fwcutter to make broadcom wifi cards work) The downloads.openwrt.org site appears to be offline
[14:56] <jarnos> What do you need makeactive for in menu.lst?
[14:57] <TheSheep> jarnos: windows can only boot from 'active' partition, or something like that
[14:58] <TheSheep> jarnos: I guess they'd know better on ##windows
[15:02] <jarnos> TheSheep: I don't need "makeactive" when I chainload lilo or grub from grub.
[15:13] <DarkTan> is there any hyperterminal type app i can use with 8.04?
[15:14] <TheSheep> DarkTan: like minicom?
[15:14] <whileimhere> Howdy there! Can anyone tell me how to change the XFCE4 panel to look like the one in this image link?  http://www.linuxmint.com/pictures/screenshots/daryna/xfce/desktop.png
[15:14] <TheSheep> whileimhere: sure
[15:15] <whileimhere> Great !
[15:15] <TheSheep> whileimhere: right click on the panel, select 'customize panel' and select apropriate size and position
[15:15] <whileimhere> Done.
[15:15] <TheSheep> whileimhere: the gradient is set in the gtk theme, you either have to use the same gtk theme as tehy use, or add apropriate image to your gtk theme
[15:16] <whileimhere> okay. Can you tell me where I can get GTK themes like that and how to install them?
[15:16] <TheSheep> whileimhere: there are lots of themes at xfce-look.org
[15:16] <whileimhere> oh ok
[15:16] <whileimhere> how do they get installed?
[15:17] <whileimhere> i know GNOME is easy to do this but XFCE I dont know how
[15:17] <TheSheep> you just unpack them to your ~/.themes directory
[15:17] <whileimhere> ohh ok
[15:17] <TheSheep> or to /usr/share/themes if you want the m global
[15:17] <TheSheep> whileimhere: I know that Neutronium theme has gradient on the panel, for example
[15:18] <whileimhere> oh cool I will look that one up now
[15:20] <TheSheep> it's dark, but you can look into the theme fle and see how they did it, then do the same in your own theme
[15:20] <TheSheep> it's all text files and images
[15:23] <jarnos> Are there 2 screensavers running in 8.10?
[15:34] <TheSheep> jarnos: yeah, seems like xscreensaver got included somehow
[15:35] <TheSheep> it should just quietly die in a corner :/
[15:46] <tomboy64> i have xubuntu 7.10 installed on one of my machines. it's an adapted version for the eeepc. how can i install skype and sunbird on it without automatically installing 8.04 software?
[15:47] <tomboy64> using the console would be preferred
[15:48] <skep> for skype you could download the static version from the skype website
[15:48] <Odd-rationale> tomboy64: if you have 7.10, the you should already be using the gutsy repos. skype is in the medibuntu repo... so you would nneed to add that first
[15:48] <Odd-rationale> !medibuntu
[15:48] <tomboy64> Odd-rationale: i had my gf install the medibuntu repos
[15:49] <Odd-rationale> as for sunbird, i think it is the universe repo.
[15:49] <tomboy64> and it broke her firefox when she installed sunbird (don't know from which repo, though). plus apt-get reported that the skype package is broken.
[15:50] <Odd-rationale> did you do the medibuntu repo for hardy or for gutsy?
[15:51] <tomboy64> uhm
[15:51] <Odd-rationale> as for sunbird, i'm not too sure why it could have broken her firefox... maybe a xulrunner conflict or something... :|
[15:52] <Odd-rationale> tomboy64: was she on gutsy?
[15:53] <tomboy64> sudo echo 'deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ gutsy free non-free' > /etc/apt/sources.list
[15:53] <Odd-rationale> i dont think that works...
[15:54] <Odd-rationale> see this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu#Adding%20the%20Repositories
[15:59] <tomboy64> Odd-rationale: thanks. i'll try to guide her with that
[16:00] <Odd-rationale> np
[16:40] <tomboy64> Odd-rationale: it's me again. i found out that skype was broken cause it's dependent on libqt4-core and libqt4-gui (>=4.3.2)
[16:40] <tomboy64> what would you suggest?
[16:40] <tomboy64> upgrade those? or take a smaller version of skype?
[16:41] <Odd-rationale> tomboy64: skype from medibuntu?
[16:41] <tomboy64> Odd-rationale: yes. with the gutsy-repo
[16:41] <Odd-rationale> tomboy64: well, if it were me, i would update the deps...
[16:42] <tomboy64> Odd-rationale: i don't know much about apt
[16:42] <tomboy64> would you tell me the simplest command?
[16:42] <tomboy64> --reinstall maybe?
[16:43] <Odd-rationale> tomboy64: well those packages should be in the gutsy securites updates...
[16:43] <Odd-rationale> tomboy64: maybe "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[16:43] <tomboy64> dist-upgrade won't move it to 8.04?
[16:43] <Odd-rationale> then try "sudo apt-get install skype"
[16:43] <Odd-rationale> no
[16:43] <Odd-rationale> dist-upgrade won;t bump versions
[16:44] <Odd-rationale> see "man apt-get"
[16:44] <Odd-rationale> in any case. i have to head out right now...
[16:44] <Odd-rationale> bbl
[16:44] <Odd-rationale> you can also get help in #ubuntu as this is not xubuntu specific
[16:44] <Odd-rationale> good luck@
[16:44] <Odd-rationale> !
[16:44] <tomboy64> thanks :)
[16:44] <tomboy64> cya
[16:46] <vidd> question: anyone have the file wl_apsta-<IP_ADDRESS>.o ? (this is the file needed by b43-fwcutter to get broadcom wifi cards to work)
[16:46] <vidd> the downloads.openwrt.org that the b43-fwcutter tries to download the file from is gone
[17:05] <uatever> hey there, Im installing xubuntu under a RAID0 and im just not sure about one thing, mount options theres several options and I can't really find documentations on what each does and what would be the best option for running a RAID0?
[17:43] <vidd> what is the "quit button" applet called?
[17:44] <vidd> or is it a component of xfce4-goodies?
[17:53] <TheSheep> vidd: I believe it's part of xfce4-panel
[17:55] <stevenw> hello all
[17:55] <stevenw> i have a minor problem
[17:55] <stevenw> my screen resolution is set WAY low on a new laptop i just did a fresh install
[17:55] <stevenw> when i do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[17:56] <stevenw> is says overwriting possible customization
[17:56] <stevenw> and never gives me the option to choose xserver details like monitor and all
[17:58] <TheSheep> stevenw: use 'sudo displayconfig-gtk'
[17:59] <stevenw> k...
[17:59] <stevenw> it only lists a low resolution
[17:59] <stevenw> and lists my monitor as plug n play
[18:00] <cody-somerville> stevenw, change your monitor
[18:00] <TheSheep> possibly it detected your monitor's parameters wrong
[18:00] <cody-somerville> stevenw, best solution is to do this: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[18:00] <cody-somerville> and then restart the xserver
[18:02] <stevenw> what should i change monitor to?
[18:02] <stevenw> i looked up my laptop's specs
[18:03] <stevenw> can't find default res
[18:04] <stevenw> ooh that may have worked!
[18:05] <stevenw> restarting xserver...
[18:05] <stevenw> well i at least got 800 x 600
[18:05] <stevenw> well
[18:06] <stevenw> it gave me message about low resolution warning
[18:06] <stevenw> and it showed a blank weird screen with lines at the top
[18:06] <stevenw> wrong sync rates?
[18:07] <stevenw> i will try to pastebin xserver-xorg
[18:11] <stevenw> rebooting...
[18:11] <stevenw> vamos a ver...
[18:13] <stevenw> okay it successfully rebooted into 800 x 60
[18:13] <stevenw> oops 600
[18:13] <stevenw> i know t can go higher
[18:13] <stevenw> should i try the next highest
[18:20] <TheSheep> stevenw: you don't have to reboot, you can restart x by pressing alt+ctrl+backspace
[18:20] <stevenw> okay i tried that
[18:21] <stevenw> it still only allows me 800x600
[18:21] <stevenw> TheSheep: and i know it goes much higher than that
[18:21] <stevenw> my main question....
[18:22] <stevenw> why when i do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[18:22] <stevenw> will it not allow me to choose the monitor and video card and all?
[18:22] <TheSheep> stevenw: because the moved this to displayconfig-gtk
[18:22] <stevenw> ahhh
[18:23] <stevenw> well i'm having terrible luck
[18:23] <ddelony> I had the same problem when I installed Debian a couple of years back. I remember running dpkg -reconfigure on X.
[18:23] <stevenw> i got everything perfect on my laptop
[18:23] <stevenw> now i'm on my girlfriend's third computer
[18:24] <stevenw> and this install is going terribly
[18:24] <stevenw> i can only get the monitor to go to 800x600
[18:24] <stevenw> would knowing my laptop model help?
[18:24] <ddelony> Maybe Xubuntu just doesn't like the video card?
[18:25] <stevenw> well i installed the open source driver
[18:25] <stevenw> openchrome
[18:25] <stevenw> des that matter?
[18:25] <stevenw> it shows up in displayconfig-gtk
[18:25] <stevenw> under graphics card
[18:27] <TheSheep> stevenw: what does 'lspci | grep VGA' say?
[18:28] <stevenw> vga compatibe controller via technologies unichrome pro IGP
[18:28] <stevenw> thanks for all the help, everyone
[18:28] <ddelony> Hmmm, it looks like it's using a generic display driver.
[18:28] <stevenw> i istalled the openchrome driver
[18:28] <ddelony> Do you know what kind of video chip is in the laptop?
[18:28] <stevenw> and it wet perectly
[18:29] <stevenw> yeah S3 unichrome pro
[18:29] <stevenw> according to gateway website
[18:29] <stevenw> i have a gateway MX3228 i'm trying this on
[18:29] <stevenw> http://support.gateway.com/s/Mobile/Q106/MagicLC/1008831sp2.shtml
[18:29] <stevenw> is the system specs
[18:30] <TheSheep> I hate S3
[18:30] <stevenw> yeah me too pparently
[18:30] <stevenw> LMBO
[18:30] <TheSheep> they should have stopped at s3 trio :)
[18:31] <ddelony> I looked at the supported hardware wiki page and I don't see anything about S3.
[18:31] <TheSheep> maybe you could look at the forums
[18:32] <stevenw> yeah i looked
[18:32] <stevenw> didn't see anything
[18:32] <stevenw> found this...
[18:32] <stevenw> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=418116
[18:32] <ddelony> stevenw: Have you tried editing your xorg,conf?
[18:33] <stevenw> yeah i had to do that to get openchrome to work
[18:33] <ddelony> Do you know where the section where all the screen resolutions are?
[18:34] <stevenw> yeah
[18:34] <ddelony> Did you add the display's native resolution?
[18:35] <stevenw> it only lists default screen and configured monitor and configured video device
[18:36] <stevenw> it doesn't list the resolutions
[18:36] <stevenw> any ide-ers?
[18:37] <ddelony> Mine does, and I have it open.
[18:39] <ddelony> Hey, I found a wiki page that might be helpful: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[18:41] <stevenw> yeah i tried that
[18:42] <ddelony> You don't have a "Modes" subsection in the "Screen" section of your xorg.conf?
[18:42] <stevenw> no i don't
[18:43] <ddelony> That's odd. What do you have?
[18:43] <Myrtti> and this is Hardy Heron, that was released in April?
[18:44] <TheSheep> dpkg -reconfigure  leaves a pretty minimal xorg.conf now
[18:45] <ddelony> Where else would X get its resolution modes from?
[18:45] <TheSheep> ddelony: from the card/driver directly
[18:45] <TheSheep> ddelony: by autodetecting them
[18:45] <TheSheep> ddelony: you can analyze that process by looking into /var/log/xorg.0.log
[18:46] <stevenw> yes
[18:46] <stevenw> it'svery minimal
[18:46] <ddelony> Ah, I guess the autodetection didn't find the card and is using the generic driver.
[18:47] <stevenw> that's what i think
[18:47] <TheSheep> ddelony: no, vesa is the generic driver
[18:48] <stevenw> ah
[18:48] <stevenw> well i got openchrome to work
[18:48] <ddelony> I've done some googling, and it looks like the problem is with x.org.
[18:48] <stevenw> yeah?
[18:48] <stevenw> i got it to 800x600
[18:49] <stevenw> hat's all
[18:49] <TheSheep> stevenw: look into logs and see why it
[18:49] <TheSheep> 's rejecting the other resolutions
[18:50] <TheSheep> stevenw: I had one problem when the crad used computer's memory for video memory, and you had to set how much to use in BIOS, otherwise you only got crappy resolutions
[18:50] <stevenw> hm
[18:51] <ddelony> Yeah, that might be the case in a laptop.
[18:52] <TheSheep> the problem didn't appear in windows, because the windows driver ignored and ovverode the bios settings
[18:53] <stevenw> pastebinning log...
[18:53] <stevenw> http://pastebin.com/m2391550d
[18:57] <ddelony> (II) VESA(0): Not using mode "1024x768" (height too large for virtual size)
[18:57] <stevenw> ahhhhhhh
[18:57] <stevenw> problem
[18:57] <ddelony> Hmmm, it does seem to be using the VESA driver.
[18:58] <stevenw> no no i'm using openchrome as the driver
[18:58] <TheSheep> stevenw: the logs says something else
[18:58] <stevenw> oh?
[18:58] <TheSheep> stevenw: no, way, it should have a line about it
[18:59] <stevenw> displayconfig-gtk says it's using openchrome
[19:00] <TheSheep> #
[19:00] <TheSheep> (II) VESA: driver for VESA chipsets: vesa
[19:00] <TheSheep> stevenw: it proposes to use it, maybe?
[19:00] <stevenw> maybe
[19:01] <stevenw> oh
[19:01] <stevenw> it says hraphics card openchrome
[19:01] <stevenw> driver none
[19:01] <ddelony> What does the "Device" section of your xorg.conf say?
[19:01] <stevenw> video memory automatic
[19:01] <TheSheep> ddelony: there is no such section :)
[19:01] <stevenw> device says conigured video device
[19:01] <stevenw> LOL
[19:01] <stevenw> grrrr
[19:02] <ddelony> Where did you get the openchrome driver from?
[19:02] <TheSheep> stevenw: did you try to run the system->restricted hardware  (or how it's called)?
[19:02] <TheSheep> stevenw: it detects and downloads drivers...
[19:02] <stevenw> thatdoes not list in applications...
[19:03] <stevenw> i got openchrome driver from....
[19:03] <stevenw> help.ubuntu.com/communtity/openchrome
[19:03] <stevenw> and followed step by step no problems
[19:04] <TheSheep> The openchrome driver can be installed by the command
[19:04] <TheSheep>     *
[19:04] <TheSheep>        sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-openchrome
[19:04] <TheSheep> This replaces your current via driver with the openchrome one. That driver module is still called via, so via is what you need to select or write into your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file (for details see below).
[19:04] <stevenw> already newest version...
[19:05] <stevenw> how do i add to xorg?
[19:05] <TheSheep> stevenw: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/84855/
[19:05] <TheSheep> stevenw: or "via" instead of "openchrome"
[19:06] <stevenw> okay...
[19:07] <stevenw> it doesn't list driver section...
[19:08] <ddelony> In that case, you'll have to add it yourself.
[19:08] <stevenw> by which means?
[19:08] <stevenw> i'm a bit of a n00b
[19:09] <ddelony> stevenw: Your favorite text editor. :-)
[19:09] <stevenw> okay what should i do?
[19:09] <stevenw> add what thesheep said?
[19:09] <ddelony> stevenw: Yeah.
[19:10] <stevenw> http://pastebin.com/m4fdce4ce
[19:10] <stevenw> that's my xorg
[19:10] <stevenw> where should i put it?
[19:11] <ddelony> I'd save a backup of it first, then paste it over the section that says "Device"
[19:12] <stevenw> okay...
[19:12] <stevenw> i'm on the wacky laptop as "erica"
[19:12] <stevenw> i may post as either stevenw o erica so try not to confuse
[19:12] <stevenw> LOL sorry
[19:15] <stevenw> where it says section : device
[19:15] <stevenw> configured video device
[19:15] <ddelony> Yes,
[19:15] <stevenw> add the line driver "openchrome"
[19:15] <stevenw> then end section?
[19:15] <stevenw> do i add under sections screen r monitor
[19:16] <ddelony> Yes.
[19:16] <stevenw> both?
[19:17] <stevenw> ddelony: add under the sections: device, screen, and monitor?
[19:17] <stevenw> should i add "via" instead of "openchrome" like TheSheep said?
[19:18] <ddelony> Editing the xorg.conf is as delicate as defusing a bomb.
[19:18] <stevenw> i don't wanna be stuck LOL
[19:18] <stevenw> i know
[19:19] <ddelony> Most people don't do it by hand. I've never really messed with it.
[19:19] <TheSheep> stevenw: put it at the end, outside of any sections
[19:19] <stevenw> at the end of everything?
[19:19] <TheSheep> stevenw: yeah
[19:20] <ddelony> That's why I suggested you make a backup before editing.
[19:20] <ddelony> The resolution may be low, but at least it works!
[19:20] <stevenw> http://pastebin.com/m1b451c24
[19:21] <stevenw> that's what it looks like now
[19:21] <stevenw> TheSheep: should i save as such?
[19:21] <stevenw> erica: checking if XChat is working. LOL chatting with self... everyone can ignore this...
[19:22] <erica> stevenw: yes myself it works... ignore this everyone
[19:22] <ddelony> Perhaps you need a kind of help we can't provide. ;-)
[19:22] <stevenw> okay restarting X....
[19:22] <stevenw> fingers crossed...
[19:23] <stevenw> Ubuntu is running in low graphics mode...
[19:23] <stevenw> LOL i got that far
[19:23] <stevenw> i just needed to get higher...
[19:24] <TheSheep> stevenw: try the other name for the driver
[19:25] <stevenw> ?
[19:26] <ddelony> stevenw: Can you select higher resolutions?
[19:26] <stevenw> okay gdm ogin didn't load
[19:26] <TheSheep> "via" or "openchrome"
[19:26] <stevenw> it lists as plug n play
[19:26] <stevenw> hold on gotta reboot it froze
[19:26] <stevenw> either via or openchrome should b listed in the displayconfig-gtk?
[19:27] <stevenw> i'm lost....
[19:27] <stevenw> okay stll at 800 x 600
[19:27] <stevenw> booted into session
[19:28] <stevenw> displayconfig-gtk
[19:28] <stevenw> graphics card: openchrome
[19:28] <stevenw> driver:vesa
[19:28] <stevenw> change to openchrome?
[19:31] <stevenw> okay....
[19:31] <stevenw> TheSheep: should i change driver?
[19:31] <stevenw> i changed to openchrome and hit test
[19:31] <stevenw> didn't work display went smalled
[19:31] <stevenw> smalleR
[19:31] <stevenw> LOL
[19:31] <TheSheep> :/
[19:31] <stevenw> hmm
[19:34] <stevenw> any ideas?
[19:34] <stevenw> other than stevenw leave us aone?
[19:34] <stevenw> alone
[19:34] <stevenw> lmbo
[19:35] <ddelony> At least I know which chipset to avoid. :-p
[19:36] <stevenw> AH HA HA HA HA
[19:36] <stevenw> google says it's like one of the least friendly laptops for linux
[19:36] <stevenw> i usually avoid gateways like the plague
[19:36] <stevenw> but these are hers
[19:36] <stevenw> i got her ld gateway working great!
[19:36] <ddelony> Did it look okay when you booted the LiveCd?
[19:37] <stevenw> this is her better one... suposedly
[19:37] <stevenw> um i don't do livecds
[19:37] <stevenw> i usuall use alternate installers
[19:37] <stevenw> i did text based
[19:38] <stevenw> so i don't know
[19:38] <stevenw> i do know that when i did the old gateway
[19:38] <stevenw> the text based installer was mad fuzzy
[19:38] <stevenw> and really hard to read
[19:39] <stevenw> but it cae out fine
[19:39] <stevenw> came
[19:40] <stevenw> ny other thoughts?
[19:41] <stevenw> just keep choosing different lcd panels in displayconfig-gtk?
[19:41] <stevenw> till i get one that works?
[19:41] <stevenw> and when i hit test
[19:41] <stevenw> howdo you know if it worked?
[19:41] <ddelony> Where exactly did you get the openchrome driver?
[19:41] <stevenw> if it shows the keep configuration box?
[19:41] <stevenw> umm i got driver from...
[19:42] <stevenw> svn checkout http://svn.openchrome.org/svn/trunk openchrome
[19:43] <stevenw> i also tyed in sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-openchrome
[19:43] <stevenw> or soething
[19:43] <stevenw> but it said it was already newest version
[19:44] <ddelony> There's an openchrome driver in the Ubuntu repository, Did you try that?
[19:44] <stevenw> how?
[19:44] <ddelony> sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-openchrome
[19:45] <stevenw> yes i did that
[19:45] <stevenw> already newest version
[19:48] <erica> i'm frustrato
[19:53] <stevenw> i'm lost i guess i can try that bios memory thing
[19:53] <stevenw> TheSheep: any ideas? i think you mntioned it before
[20:01] <TheSheep> stevenw: well, see if you have such a setting in your bios
[20:01] <TheSheep> stevenw: aperture size
[20:02] <TheSheep> stevenw: or video memory size
[20:02] <erica> okay.... this is stevenw also by the way
[20:04] <stevenw> okay i'm back
[20:06] <stevenw> gonna change bios settings.... bye erica....
[20:08] <stevenw> sorry TheSheep: again how to change that?
[20:08] <stevenw> logged off
[20:10] <stevenw> sorryi logged off accidentally
[20:10] <stevenw> anyone catch what he said?
[20:13] <TheSheep> stevenw: usually you press del or f2 when the computer boots
[20:13] <Odd-rationale> stevenw: usually you press esc, or on of the function keys while the computer is booting
[20:13] <TheSheep> stevenw: then you have a menu
[20:13] <Odd-rationale> e.g. on my machin it is f10
[20:13] <Odd-rationale> so it depends on your hardware...
[20:14] <stevenw> okay i have bios open
[20:14] <stevenw> i had that LOL
[20:15] <stevenw> frame buffer size?
[20:15] <stevenw> was that it
[20:15] <TheSheep> that may be it
[20:15] <stevenw> its set at 64 mb
[20:16] <stevenw> when i do xserver-xorg
[20:16] <Odd-rationale> but how xan the framebuffer effect X ?
[20:16] <stevenw> that's the first questin it asks me
[20:16] <Odd-rationale> s/xan/can
[20:16] <stevenw> if i want to use it
[20:16] <TheSheep> Odd-rationale: probably they used word 'frame buffer' for something else than linux frame buffer
[20:16] <TheSheep> Odd-rationale: because obviously you cannot control the linux frame buffer from bios
[20:17] <Odd-rationale> TheSheep: ok. i see.... i guess...
[20:17] <stevenw> ahh
[20:17] <stevenw> so should i change it?
[20:18] <TheSheep> stevenw: try setting it to something larger
[20:18] <stevenw> it's at max size
[20:18] <TheSheep> :(
[20:18] <stevenw> 16, 32, or 64
[20:18] <stevenw> i have it at 64
[20:18] <TheSheep> ok, then leave it
[20:18] <TheSheep> anything else?
[20:18] <stevenw> nope
[20:18] <stevenw> darn it
[20:21] <stevenw> well it booted again.... hello myself!
[20:22] <TheSheep> stevenw: you could try asking at #ubuntu, this part is common anyways
[20:23] <stevenw> okay
[20:27] <steven__> and i'm back
[20:30] <kappabuntu> hi
[20:30] <steven__> MANY MANY THANKS TO ALL THOSE WHO PUT UP WTH ME TODAY
[20:30] <Odd-rationale> hello, kappabuntu
[20:30] <steven__> hellokappabuntu
[20:30] <kappabuntu> what is the terminal command to launch virtualbox?
[20:30] <Odd-rationale> kappabuntu: umm virtualbox?
[20:30] <kappabuntu> I'm trying to make a -simple- launcher and finally figured out where ubuntu keeps the icons... now I need to the command to launch it
[20:30] <Odd-rationale> kappabuntu: try to find it with tab completion...
[20:31] <Odd-rationale> kappabuntu: e.g. v<tab><tab>
[20:31] <Odd-rationale> or it was vbox... i don't remember...
[20:31] <erica> okay
[20:31] <kappabuntu> I tried vbox :(
[20:31] <Odd-rationale> kappabuntu: is tab helping any?
[20:32] <kappabuntu> I found uhh
[20:32] <kappabuntu> vbetool           vboxadd-timesync  vboxwebsrv
[20:32] <Odd-rationale> kappabuntu: also try locate. e.g. locate virtual
[20:32] <Odd-rationale> kappabuntu: you might want to "sudo updatedb" to update the database
[20:34] <erica> thanks all
[20:35] <kappabuntu> will it help if I look inside /usr/share or usr/lib _ /virtualbox ?
[20:35] <Odd-rationale> kappabuntu: find anything?
[20:35] <kappabuntu> I know linux doesn't work from .exe files but that's the only way I know about making shortcuts
[20:35] <Odd-rationale> kappabuntu: yes. i think vbox might not be in /usr/bin
[20:35] <kappabuntu> the only v<tab><tab> that looks close to vbox are vbetool           vboxadd-timesync  vboxwebsrv
[20:36] <kappabuntu> none of those launched it
[20:36] <Odd-rationale> also you can try asking in #vbox
[20:36] <kappabuntu> I'll try
[20:36] <ddelony> Try typing apropos virtualbox
[20:37] <skep> or start vb the normal way and check out ps aux
[20:38] <kappabuntu> it was VirtualBox
[20:38] <kappabuntu> ffs usability issues just to make a simple icon
[20:38] <kappabuntu> must be a simpler way to do this
[20:38] <skep> /usr/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox
[20:39] <Woo> Wasn't ext3 suppose to be all stable? Now I can't access my drive after a power outtage. I see a ! icon in gparted
[20:40] <Odd-rationale> Woo: might need to run fsck
[20:40] <Woo> I tried repairing it in gparted but it wouldn't do it
[20:40] <Odd-rationale> !fsck
[20:41] <Woo> so fsck /dev/sda1?
[20:42] <Odd-rationale> Woo: i beleive so. check "man fsck" for more detials and options...
[20:42] <Woo> I don't have much time no
[20:42] <Woo> now*
[20:43] <Odd-rationale> Woo: yes i beleive fsck /dev/<device> will do if done as root
[20:43] <Woo> fsck /dev/sda1:
[20:43] <Woo> The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2
[20:43] <Woo> filesystem.  If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2
[20:43] <Woo> filesystem (and not swap or ufs or something else), then the superblock
[20:43] <Woo> is corrupt, and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate superblock:
[20:43] <Woo>     e2fsck -b 8193 <device>
[20:43] <Woo>  e2fsck -b 8193 /dev/sda1:
[20:43] <Woo> same error.
[20:44] <Woo> what do you reckon?
[20:45] <Odd-rationale> Woo: well. then that issue is a bit over me as i never experienced a broken superblock before. try in #ubuntu
[20:45] <Odd-rationale> sorry i couldn't help more...
[20:45] <Woo> right
[20:45] <TheSheep> there is always the possibility of a physical damage to the disk because of that power outage
[20:46] <Woo> ok, because i was just discussing how simple and just working ntfs was with some guy and he said ntfs sucked so much, and he's only had problems with it.
[20:55] <TheSheep> Woo: no filesystem will protect you from physical damage
[20:55] <Woo> no, but ntfs has been great this far
[20:55] <Woo> i mean with no corrupt data and all
[20:56] <Myrtti> as I've said earlier - if you use Linux as your main OS, then use Linux filesystems like ext3 or xfs or whatever. If you use mainly Windows, then use NTFS
[20:56] <Myrtti> that way you can try to recover from filesystem errors with native tools
[20:56] <Woo> well, i suppose ext3 is best for linux
[20:57] <Woo> and i use linux on that box
[20:57] <Woo> what's funny is ntfs works better than etx3 there, less fuss
[20:58] <Myrtti> and with fuss you mean the "boot every 30 times brings up fsck to check filesystems"?
[20:58] <Woo> no mounting fuss, no permission fuss
[20:58] <Woo> it just worked
[20:59] <TheSheep> you just have to run defrag, scandisk and disk cleanup every n days
[20:59] <TheSheep> anyways, this is comparing apples and oranges
[20:59] <Myrtti> yup
[21:00] <Woo> nah, no point defragging storage drives
[21:00] <Woo> i don't care about scan disc and cleanup, because as an end user it worked and i didn't have to do that
[21:01] <Myrtti> right
[21:17] <Woo> so much pales up after a power outtage
[21:17] <Woo> piles*
[21:17] <Woo> now the mobo stopped booting up properly
[21:18] <Woo> and it let my system drive to the bottom of the boot list
[21:18] <Woo> meh, better go reset the bios tomorrow
[21:18] <Woo> i need a better place to put the noisy server
[21:19] <Woo> first i had some stability problems because people pulled the plug because of the noise (meditation ^^)
[21:19] <Woo> then the ironer kills the fuse if all the computers are running
[21:19] <Woo> after moving it elsewhere, that is
[21:19] <Woo> now i need to find another spot
[21:20] <Woo> it runs ok when it's up and running though :)
[21:20] <Woo> i best go to sleep, enough stress for now.
[21:34] <ozo2> hola , xubuntu el iso de la web es live?
[21:34] <cheeseboy> !auido
[21:35] <cheeseboy> !audio
[21:35] <ozo2> hi the iso is live cd ?
[22:06] <djdano> Hey all, Im used to ubuntu and I just changed to xubuntu.  Im unable to figure out how to clone my display so I can use my TV as a monitor, anyone able to help me
[22:18] <hvgotcodes> it seems with xubuntu i cannot have an encrypted lvm unless i try and use the entire disk?
[22:18] <Myrtti> huh?
[22:19] <hvgotcodes> Myrtti: for install -- i am trying to setup an encrypted lvm.  but it seems i cant unless i let the installer decide teh partitions and use the entire disk...
[22:20] <Myrtti> go to manual partition, you can there make your own choices including how to partition for encryption
[22:20] <hvgotcodes> Myrttil -- when will it ask about encryption
[22:21] <Myrtti> hen you've set partitions to not be ext3 but partitions for lvm/encryption
[22:22] <hvgotcodes> ah
[22:23] <hvgotcodes> so i want to create a boot, a swap, and then a physical volume for encryption
[22:23] <hvgotcodes> which i can then split into home and /
[22:23] <hvgotcodes> ?
[22:24] <Myrtti> that splitting part I've not tried myself
[23:00] <uateve1> o/
[23:00] <uateve1> im getting some blocking when playing movies in movie player how can i fix it?
[23:58] <kappabuntu> is there a key command or hotkey to kill a a frozen window?


[11:33] <Splooshie123> Why are there 22 lurkers but no one is talking?
[11:39]  * Splooshie123 is watching
[11:39]  * Splooshie123 is still watching
[11:39]  * Splooshie123 is getting bored of watching
[11:39]  * Splooshie123 is going over to the forum channel
[22:04] <voodoor> I'm running 'regular' 11.10, ALSA works and I've killed PA but I cannot get JACK to start
[22:05] <voodoor> I seem to remember the login sound thing could cause this if that isn't disabled?
[22:05] <voodoor> or am I making that up?
[22:06] <ailo> voodoor: I don't think the login sound would affect jack
[22:06] <ailo> Do you have multiple devices?
[22:07] <ailo> voodoor: Why have you killed PA btw?
[22:07] <voodoor> ailo, Dojn't think that it - I'm selecting the device under qjackctl (hw:1 as it is)
[22:07] <voodoor> PA can only get in the way I'd have thought
[22:08] <voodoor> I've installed the PA jack plugin but that hasn't helped
[22:08] <ailo> voodoor: If you don't want PA to be run as a sink to jack, you don't need the PA jack plugin
[22:08] <techquila> Hi all, I'm having a very peculiar thing going on thats got me stumped and I'm hoping someone maybe able to shed some light on the problem for me... The problem started a few days ago, and I can't be sure but feel it may be related to an update.  The issue is that YouTube will not load on any browser, nor will any embedded youtube clips load.  I don't think its related to Flash as I can view any other flash site with no problem;
[22:08] <techquila>  however in saying that by uninstalling and re-installing flash the site will load and work for a few minutes before same problem occurs again.   I have not blocked the site on my machine, nor at the router.
[22:09] <ailo> voodoor: Could you post the error message here http://paste.ubuntu.com/ ?
[22:10] <ailo> techquila: That does souns peculiar. I would ask on http://ubuntuforums.org/.
[22:10] <techquila> i'll try that then thank you ailo
[22:10] <ailo> techquila: Perhaps this category http://ubuntuforums.org/
[22:10] <ailo> Sorry..
[22:10] <ailo> techquila: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=334
[22:11] <ailo> voodoor: I would like to see the output from jack. It would help to see what the problem could be
[22:15] <ailo> voodoor: You could just copy the text from "Messages" in qjackctl
[22:21] <ailo> techquila: It does sound like a flash problem though. It's the same plugin for all of the browsers, and it depends largely on the site how flash works
[22:22] <ailo> Since it's the same problem with all the browsers.. At least some of the available browsers are quite different from each other
[22:29] <techquila> Yea on the surface it does I guess... that was my first thought.. but I'm trialling html5 on firefox, and the fact that the page won't even load let alone the videos leads me to believe otherwise
[22:29] <techquila> its certainly isolated to this local machine though as i've tried other machines
[22:29] <techquila> *on the same network
[22:29] <techquila> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11778542#post11778542
[22:36] <techquila> ...anyways.. off to a funeral now so I'll await a response on the forums.  thanks for your help ailo
[22:38] <ailo> Well, I wasn't helping much. And I'm having a graphics bug. How do I load history with irssi?
[22:42] <ailo> Anways, time for me to disappear as well.


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[01:38] <ScottK> clivejo: I'm traveling for work this week, so likely not anytime soon
[02:01] <tsimonq2> kde bug 369665
[02:02] <tsimonq2> !info plasmashell
[02:02] <tsimonq2> !info plasma-workspace
[02:02] <tsimonq2> Ok cool.
[02:04] <tsimonq2> clivejo: Please upload my fixed SDDM to zesty when you get a minute. It's in ppa:tsimonq2/sddm-fixes.
[02:04] <ahoneybun> tsimonq2: you need to go into #kde-sysadmin
[02:04] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: I went in there the other day. No results...
[02:04] <ahoneybun> well that's where the people with power hangout
[02:05] <ahoneybun> unless sgclark has some time, I think she is an admin on there somewhere
[02:06] <ahoneybun> tsimonq2: till then you could just make a pastebin and I could put it in
[02:07] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: Minor edits. That would mean giving me permission to annoy you. :P
[02:07] <ahoneybun> it's going to happen anyway, might as well be productive
[02:07] <tsimonq2> XD
[02:08] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: Tomorrow.
[02:08] <ahoneybun> k
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[02:34] <tsimonq2> !info plasma-workspace yakkety
[02:34] <tsimonq2> !info plasma-workspace zesty
[02:34] <tsimonq2> Good.
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[02:52] <tsimonq2> santa_: Not sure what you've been up to so far, but plasma-framework is FTBFS because of symbols, which is causing krunner to be FTBFS due to a dep wait. This is in ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-frameworks , and if you could fix that, that would be great. ;)
[02:54] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: ^^^^
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[03:02] <tsimonq2> Hah lol
[03:02] <tsimonq2> Ok.
[03:02] <tsimonq2> Night for real. o/
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[07:45] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: plasma-framework is another example of the KCI unstable branch being ahead of 5.27 now, so having symbols didn't exist when 5.27 was releases. will sort that this afternoon I expect
[08:28] <jimarvan> gooooood morning :)
 @tsimonq2, Please show me where this has been packaged and tested.
[11:25] <tsimonq2> Later @CliffordTheBigRedDoggie
[11:25] <tsimonq2> !info taglib zesty
[11:30] <BluesKaj> Hi Folks
[11:32] <tsimonq2> o/ BluesKaj
[11:33] <BluesKaj> hi tsimonq2
[11:34] <tsimonq2> Off to school. o/
[11:46] <jimarvan> see ya tsimonq2
[11:46] <jimarvan> hi BluesKaj
[11:46] <jimarvan> ^^
[11:57] <BluesKaj> Hi jimarvan
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[14:18] <acheronuk> frameworks 5.27 built. still needs some oranges sorting and merges if we are doing them
[14:18]  * acheronuk plucks up courage to install
[14:35]  * mamarley 's ears perk up.
[15:21] <acheronuk> that installed ok. :)
[15:21] <mamarley> \o/
[15:21] <clivejo> new icons?
 Link?
[15:21] <acheronuk> a few
 I forgot where to find the staging PPA statuses
[15:22] <clivejo> should be in the topic, thats if someone hasnt removed them
[15:22] <acheronuk> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/frameworks/build_status_5.27.0_zesty.html
[15:29] <acheronuk> ok folks. back later
[15:34] <jimarvan> see ya acheronuk
[15:48] <clivejo> Trello card for FW5.27 Debian merge - https://trello.com/c/6dxq5OzZ
[15:50] <clivejo> Please check/tick the package you are working on, and make comments on its status
 eek. telegram notification for each item. wondered what the **** was going on :P
[15:56] <santa_> clivejo: please let me handle the debian merges like we discussed the other day
[15:57] <santa_> we need some tooling improvements for that, doing it the way we are now it's going to be a waste of time
[15:58] <santa_> clivejo: so please delete the card, if you want to do something productive work on fw 5.27 or plasma 5.8.2 or the issues reported by the KCI there's plently of work to do
[18:01] <soee> o/
[18:03] <acheronuk> evening soee :)
[18:56] <ahoneybun> did anyone see that bug about kmahjongg?
[18:57] <clivejo> just
[18:57] <ahoneybun> ok
[18:57] <ahoneybun> clivejo: think I could try to fix it
[18:57] <ahoneybun> looks like a very junior job
[18:57] <clivejo> sure
[18:58] <ahoneybun> so do I grab the source from our archive?
[18:58] <ahoneybun> for kmahjongg
[18:58] <clivejo> if you fix it for zesty and then open a SRU to fix it in yakkety
[18:59] <ahoneybun> but I'm not on ZZ
[19:00] <clivejo> but you can fix it for zesty
[19:00] <ahoneybun> clivejo: do I download the orig.tar file?
[19:00] <ahoneybun> I'm very rusty
[19:00] <clivejo> and I can upload to zesty and acheronuk can test it
[19:03] <ahoneybun> clivejo: I'm looking at editing the control file right?
[19:03] <clivejo> yup
[19:03] <ahoneybun> just add: kdegames-mahjongg-data-kf5
[19:04] <ahoneybun> under build-deps?
[19:04] <clivejo> append the correct package name
[19:05] <clivejo> not build deps
[19:05] <ahoneybun> ohh
[19:05] <ahoneybun> where?
[19:06] <ahoneybun> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23385028/
[19:06] <ahoneybun> that's what it looks like by default
[19:07] <clivejo> https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/kmahjongg.git/tree/debian/control?h=debian/16.04.0-1
[19:07] <ahoneybun> wait
[19:07] <ahoneybun> did someone fix it already?
[19:08] <clivejo> in debian
[19:08] <clivejo> not in kubuntu
 that is debian
[19:08] <clivejo> https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kmahjongg/tree/debian/control?h=kubuntu_unstable
[19:08] <ahoneybun> so what do I do?
[19:08] <ahoneybun> nothing>
[19:09] <clivejo> I would fix it in _unstable branch
[19:09] <ahoneybun> they also added a new build dep
[19:09] <ahoneybun> qtbase5-dev (>= 5.2.0~)
[19:10] <clivejo> might be better to do a debian merge then
[19:10] <ahoneybun> they changed a few things
[19:11] <ahoneybun> 3 new deps
[19:11] <clivejo> Id do a debian merge on zesty branch, add a new changelog entry
[19:11] <clivejo> saying what you have done
[19:11] <ahoneybun> mm not sure how to do that
[19:12] <clivejo> put it to a PPA and ask acheronuk to test it
[19:12] <ahoneybun> :(
[19:12] <clivejo> and if it installs and works for him Ill upload it to zesty
[19:12] <acheronuk> clivejo: are you not on zesty as well?
[19:12] <clivejo> not yet
[19:13] <clivejo> usually wait to the toolchain has been fixed
[19:13] <acheronuk> oh. I thought you had switched. np
[19:13] <clivejo> or frose
[19:14] <mamarley> I'm pretty sure it is unfrozen now.
[19:15]  * acheronuk opens a beer
 @acheronuk, Same here. Lol
 (responding to a Telegram message, I'm not opening a beer :P)
 @tsimonq2, I should hope not! :P
[20:14] <valorie> sorry ahoneybun, I missed your comment yesterday about code-in. will you participate with Ubuntu, or KDE?
 Not sure
 Tbh KDE has been a little tough to find a space to help other then coding
 I've already out with a Alex L in VDG
[20:27] <valorie> ? Code-in tasks have to be in four areas, only one of them coding
[20:36] <valorie> we need mentors, and we need task descriptions
[20:37] <valorie> and responsive mentors who will tell the admins when to make their tasks "active" and work with the students while they are doing them
[20:37] <valorie> sub to kde-soc-mentor if you are interested
 I think I might be
[21:32]  * valorie goes off to buy chocolate for the mentor summit, so I don't have to so it on the way to the airport
[21:32] <valorie> yes, one of the tracks is the Chocolate Room
 http://blog.broulik.de/2016/10/global-menus-returning/?_utm_source=1-2-2
 I saw that, can't wait
[23:00] <santa_> clivejo: around?
[23:01] <clivejo> just logged in
[23:01] <tsimonq2> santa_: Hai. :)
[23:01] <santa_> yo
[23:01] <santa_> I wanted to update you about my stuff
[23:02] <santa_> 1. I have a quick and cheap solution to check which packages have failing autopkgtests
[23:02] <santa_> (this is one of the things which hindered more the inclusion of new packages in the end of yakkety cicle)
[23:03] <santa_> 2. related to that, I will work tomorrow on the new scriptery to handle the debian merges
[23:03] <santa_> (this way we can see if merging from debian fixes the autopkgtest or not)
[23:04] <santa_> (many times I synced the autopkgtests with debian at the end of yakkety cicle to fix some failures, but I had to fix on my own a few ones)
[23:05] <clivejo> 1) how can this be done?  within LP?
[23:06] <santa_> 3. related to that I have a script to update the vcs fields of our packaging, so to make the scriptery mentioned in 2. I need to update the vcs fields in _zesty_archive first
[23:06] <santa_> 1. is done in my build box
[23:06] <santa_> yes, kind of unofficial and fast and cheap solution
[23:07] <santa_> the proper thing would be setting the thing up on an "official kubuntu server"
[23:07] <clivejo> RE 1) is there any way we can precipitate what your box is doing on a linode container?
[23:08] <clivejo> replicate
[23:08] <santa_> you would need 3 containers, but with some time we could replicate it, yes
[23:08] <santa_> I have my own wannabuild/buildd setup
[23:08] <santa_> have you ever heard about this?
[23:09] <tsimonq2> santa_: We should also set up a complete OpenStack setup to run a Britney setup on.
[23:09] <tsimonq2> That would be fun.
[23:09] <santa_> that would be the "premium" solution
[23:09] <clivejo> the end solution needs to be something we can document and have others able to configure and use
[23:09] <tsimonq2> santa_: Hire pleia2 to do it. XD
[23:09] <tsimonq2> (kidding)
[23:10] <valorie> yes! on the document and replication
[23:10] <valorie> docs I mean
[23:12] <santa_> so insinting with my question, about wannabuild and buildd, do you know what it is or how it works?
[23:12] <clivejo> RE 2) I'm not keen on having a totally automatic merge at this time.  With a manual merge in involve thinking and looking into the best option to solve the issue.  Debian isnt always right in these cases, and there is a lot to be learned by doing the merges manually if we have the person power to do it
[23:12] <santa_> * insisting
[23:13] <clivejo> acheronuk and myself dont mind doing in manually and can learn a lot by doing it
[23:14] <santa_> clivejo: RE 2) fine I will finish the script. it can be executed manually for one package
[23:14] <santa_> so if you want to go one by one for learning, fine
[23:15] <santa_> but in the end I think the thing will be that it would be executed by just one person with do-all and fixning manually the conflitcts
[23:15] <clivejo> now if your tooling can somehow make the merge go easier (ie you talked about pre-processing the debian/master into a temp branch with the VCS matching ours then I can see that would be a great help
[23:15] <santa_> (more or less the same we do when we merge kubuntu_unstable)
[23:15] <santa_> clivejo: yes, that's the idea
[23:16] <santa_> hence why I asked you to wait a bit
[23:16] <santa_> (just a bit)
[23:16] <clivejo> Ill wait a bit, but I do want to get on with this
[23:16] <santa_> of course
[23:16] <acheronuk> some manual sanity checking of changelogs is unavoidable anyway
[23:17] <santa_> it's almost done, I have been busy today with the autopkgtrolling, because one thing will help with the other
[23:18] <clivejo> when we merge with debian, will the script auto-detect a debian version and bump the ubuntu one ie to 1ubuntu1?
[23:18] <santa_> nope
[23:18] <santa_> but it's pretty easy to write an ad-hoc script for this case
[23:19] <santa_> (now we are behind debian, but usually we will be ahead)
[23:19] <santa_> clivejo: and that's indeed the thing to do to get the changelog entries in the correct order, the date of the changelog block trailer isn't taken into account
[23:20] <santa_> (read the fabulous man of dpkg-mergechangelogs)
[23:20] <clivejo> yes, but I also feel that ninja's need some hands on experience, so that they can detect and know how to fix these things
[23:21] <acheronuk> I gave a couple a test merge earlier today, and changelogs order was the only biggish thing to sort
[23:21] <clivejo> a smaller set of packages like frameworks is good practice
[23:22] <acheronuk> ^^ for later, when we have 200+ do do for applications! eek!
[23:23] <clivejo> by the time we get to applications we'll be crying out for automation!
[23:23] <santa_> I smell a do-all there, indeed
[23:23] <santa_> so, getting back to the item 3. ....
[23:24] <clivejo> I dont understand that one
[23:24] <acheronuk> automation is great, but we need to understand what it does and how to replicate manually. not just a black box
[23:24] <clivejo> the VCS should be pointing to LP git?
[23:25] <acheronuk> some got changed to http? is that it?
[23:25] <clivejo> I thought Simon batch changed those?
[23:27] <tsimonq2> Yup, but I may have not gotten them all.
[23:27] <santa_> https://paste.kde.org/phfszaatb
[23:28] <santa_> ↑ so if don't mind I'm going to push one commit like this for all the frameworks
[23:28] <santa_> * if you don't mind
[23:29] <santa_> + I will put "NOCI" in the commit message in order to not trigger non-sense rebuilds on the KCI
[23:29] <clivejo> what is the reasoning behind this?
[23:29] <santa_> http*s*
[23:31] <tsimonq2> *PLEASE* confirm with the others, but lgtm
[23:32] <santa_> even if its worng it would be trivial to fix
[23:32] <santa_> * wrong
[23:32] <clivejo> does your tooling need it somewhere?
[23:34] <clivejo> or is it a change Debian have made and you are mirroring it?
[23:35] <santa_> you mean the merger script? yes, it would preprocess the debian branch altering the vcs fields to avoid conflicts which aren't actually conflicts
[23:35] <santa_> I'm not "mirroring" anything because our vcs fields are just different
[23:35] <clivejo> no, I mean debian are doing that too eg - https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/akonadi.git/tree/debian/control
[23:36] <santa_> oh, well, I didn't mind about that as I said
[23:37] <santa_> our fields are different so I'm just caring about *ours*
[23:37] <clivejo> I guess what Im asking is what are the advantages to us by changing them
[23:37] <clivejo> why not ssh: for example?
[23:38] <santa_> that would be for authenticated users only
[23:38] <santa_> git+ssh doesn't support anonymous access
[23:39] <santa_> and the Vcs-Git field is suposed to provide an anonymous url for cloning, if I'm not mistaken
[23:40] <clivejo> I have no objections to you doing that, but I would like to see it applied to all of our packaging in one quick pass
[23:41] <acheronuk> so to be clear, switching the remaining ones would make things consistent, and allow for less hiccups in the merge script
[23:41] <santa_> ↑ THIS
[23:42] <santa_> clivejo: about that, the closest thing we have now for this kind of "crusades" is applying it with do-all for frameworks, the plasma, then applications and finally manually on the non fw/plasma/apps packages
[23:42] <clivejo> so you would be only doing frameworks initially?
[23:43] <santa_> yes, it's the way it is now, so let's not try to fix the world in one day
[23:43] <clivejo> Simon has code to pull all packages in our git repo's
[23:43] <santa_> ah, ok
[23:43] <santa_> where is that code then?
[23:43] <clivejo> which is why I asked him to investigate a way of making master = kubuntu_yakkety_archive
[23:43] <santa_> tsimonq2: ↑
[23:43] <tsimonq2> I do?!?
[23:44] <tsimonq2> clivejo: What do you speak of?!? :P
[23:44] <clivejo> you KNOW what I speak of
[23:44] <tsimonq2> What script?!?
[23:44] <tsimonq2> And how hacky? :P
[23:46] <clivejo> I would like to see all KDE apps/software being looked at and updated in ZZ
[23:46] <valorie> grrr, I just found that we don't have peruse yet
[23:46] <clivejo> with packaging all nicely in LP git
[23:48] <santa_> tsimonq2: so do you have the script to clone all the repositories or not?
[23:48] <acheronuk> valorie: I saw Neon doing peruse the other day
[23:48] <valorie> ok
[23:48] <valorie> I just bought the Doctor Who comic humble bundle
[23:49] <acheronuk> ah, comic book reader?
[23:49] <santa_> what's peruse?
[23:49] <valorie> yup
[23:49] <clivejo> !info peruse unstable
[23:49] <valorie> https://www.humblebundle.com/books/doctor-who-comics-2
[23:49] <santa_> !info peruse zesty
[23:49] <santa_> !info peruse yakkety
[23:49] <santa_> :/
[23:49] <valorie> it's new
[23:50] <santa_> is it a comick book reader?
[23:50] <valorie> yes
[23:50] <santa_> oh, ok
[23:50] <clivejo> humm that will be a nightmare to get into ubuntu archive
[23:50] <acheronuk> https://twitter.com/KdeNeon/status/790577260826857472
[23:50] <clivejo> good project for simon
[23:50] <valorie> well, should go into Debian first
[23:51] <valorie> hopefully shadeslayer and sgclark will do that
[23:51] <clivejo> I think scarlett is more involve snapping them
[23:51] <tsimonq2> XD
[23:51] <valorie> oops, time for dinner
[23:52] <valorie> well, a snap would hold me over
[23:52] <clivejo> tsimonq2: can you nag someone about getting new packages into ubuntu?
[23:52] <tsimonq2> clivejo: I'm good at nagging, yes. :P
[23:52] <acheronuk> I noticed
[23:53] <tsimonq2> XD
[23:53] <clivejo> we need kirigami too
[23:53] <clivejo> and some others
[23:53] <clivejo> to do with PIM
[23:53] <acheronuk> we need a hit list
[23:53] <tsimonq2> Yeah, gimme a TODO list. :P
[23:54] <clivejo> start a trello card?
[23:54] <tsimonq2> "Simon's TODO list (AKA things that nobody wants to do)"
[23:54] <tsimonq2> :D
[23:54] <clivejo> we'll need kirigami for plasma 5.8
[23:55] <clivejo> just a "New Package" list
[23:55] <clivejo> but with you as owner
[23:55] <ahoneybun> debian just put it in no?
[23:55] <clivejo> !info kirigami unstable
[23:56] <acheronuk> was in their approval queue? or was that something else?
[23:56] <ahoneybun> I saw it somewhere
[23:57] <clivejo> yeah, I pinged ScottK so he could poke it on a bit, but think hes busy with other stuff
[23:57] <ScottK> Quite.
[23:57] <clivejo> ScottK: if you have a big stick, feel free to beat kirigami with it :)
[23:57] <tsimonq2> clivejo: Seriously. Y'all should make a "To Package" list.
[23:58] <ScottK> -ENOTIME.
[23:58] <acheronuk> yep. it's in their 'new' queue still
[23:58] <acheronuk> oh, hi ScottK :)
[23:58] <clivejo> it is packaged, just stuck in Debian's innards
[23:59] <clivejo> and until Debian spit it out, we cant sync with it and get it into ubuntu archive


[13:35] <fairuz> salax: rebelk0de: Hello selamat datang ;)
[13:35] <fairuz> O:-)
[13:43] <salax> fairuz: yoshh
[13:43] <fairuz> :)
[15:56] <fairuz> ks: WB
[15:57] <ks> fairuz: hi
[15:58] <fairuz> ks: You dont use IRC at work?
[15:58] <ks> i'm very often outside. Outside at computer I use more SMS and whatapps
[15:59] <ks> i don't think irc suitable for mobilephone.
[16:03] <fairuz> ks: yes you are right
[16:04] <ks> fairuz: recently thinking how to do something about Open Source and good in Malaysia
[16:08] <ks> notice there is simplelinux, sounds gfood
[16:10] <fairuz> ks: I heard of it. What is it based on? debian?
[16:11] <ks> SLAKWARE
[21:24] <Zaikazex> hello
[21:25] <Zaikazex> ada owng x
[21:32] <fairuz__> Ade
[21:32] <fairuz__> Ilang dah


[05:28] <FourDollars> Please help to review https://code.launchpad.net/~fourdollars/ubiquity/trunk/+merge/290392. Thx.


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