[00:01] <robert_ancell> did you know we distribute libaa (ascii art library) on the CD?  It's being pulled in by the gstreamer plugins
[00:03] <RAOF> That's an important part of a modern distro.
[00:08] <TheMuso> heh but something like that which is useless to most people should probably be removed somehow, every bit of iamge space is sacred.
[00:08] <TheMuso> And can be better used by something else.
[00:09] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, exactly, and unknown code means unknown problems
[00:10] <mdeslaur> but...how will I be able to watch movies on my vt100 terminal? :)
[00:10] <TheMuso> yep
[00:11] <chrisccoulson> mdeslaur, you watch porn movies on your vt100?
[00:12] <chrisccoulson> ;)
[00:13] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: sssssh! :)
[00:13] <robert_ancell> mdeslaur, phoar, check out that semicolon!
[00:14] <mdeslaur> hehe
[02:22] <thumper> I remember seeing some burn-down charts of blueprint work items somewhere
[02:22] <thumper> anyone have a link?
[02:23] <stgraber> http://status.ubuntu.com
[02:23] <bryceh> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/
[02:23] <thumper> thanks guys
[02:47] <ritz> jasoncwarner_,  ping
[02:56] <RAOF> Well, that was a fun couple of minutes. Turns out this system won't boot properly with something plugged into the USB slot.
[04:34] <pitti> Good morning
[05:11] <pitti> RAOF: is that quantal?
[05:12] <pitti> RAOF: mine just doesn't boot properly sometimes (gets stuck in plymouth) independent of plugged in devices
[05:22] <TheMuso> Oh wow, so Debian decided to not use clutter for totem 3.4. Interesting.
[05:29] <TheMuso> hrm ok its not applied atm though./
[05:29] <Sarvatt> pitti: nothing in X has changed in quantal, so thats especially screwed up if its happening :)
[05:30] <Sarvatt> outside of autosyncs of drivers you arent using
[05:30] <pitti> yeah, could be anything really
[05:30] <pitti> the VTs are very unhelpful to see what's going on :/
[05:31] <Sarvatt> plymouth actually got updated in 12.10 for the first time since 10.04 so probably there
[05:57]  * rickspencer3 drums fingers
[06:07] <didrocks> good morning
[06:08] <pitti> hey rickspencer3, bonjour didrocks
[06:08] <rickspencer3> good morning didrocks and pitt
[06:08] <rickspencer3> pitti, even
[06:08] <didrocks> guten morgen pitti
[06:08] <didrocks> bonjour rickspencer3
[06:08] <rickspencer3> bonjour mes amis
[06:23] <RAOF> pitti: Yeah, it's quantal. I think it must be the kernel, because it CPU soft-lockups in that case.
[07:07] <pitti> hey mvo, guten Morgen
[07:09] <mvo> hey pitti, good morning
[07:09] <pitti> mvo: are you planning to upload the py3'ified aptdaemon soon, or is that blocked by something/
[07:09] <pitti> ?
[07:11] <mvo> pitti: last time I checked there was a testcase failure, but I haven't digged into it
[07:11] <yaboo> hi all got a new ivy bridge laptop, but when I go to install ubuntu 12.04 LTS it installs but fails to find the boot partition to boot from
[07:12] <yaboo> anything specific I need to do
[07:19] <mvo> pitti: I can look into aptdaemon this week, but don't be blocked on me, i.e. feel free to upload if you want
[07:19] <pitti> mvo: I mean for the ports of apturl etc.
[07:20] <mvo> yes, I would love to have it, updat-emanager needs it too (the py3 port)
[07:34] <mitya57> didrocks: hi again
[07:34] <mitya57> you've put the manpage into debian/patches/ccsm.1
[07:34] <mitya57> but the proper location should be debian/ccsm.1
[07:35] <mitya57> and *this* location in mentioned in compizconfig-settings-manager.manpages
[07:36] <didrocks> mitya57: oupsss, it's probably a bad bzr mv I guess as I install from debian/ccsm.1 :) Thanks for the noice!
[07:36] <didrocks> notice*
[07:36] <didrocks> last step, once I finish piloting, will be to update debian/copyright
[07:43] <seb128> hey
[07:44] <micahg> hi seb128, was off sick yesterday, hopefully will be back today
[07:44] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[07:44] <seb128> pitti, hey
[07:44] <pitti> hey micahg -- oh, get well soon then!
[07:44] <micahg> thanks pitti
[07:44] <seb128> pitti, wie gehts?
[07:45] <pitti> seb128: gut, danke! und selbst?
[07:45] <seb128> micahg, ok, no worry, let me know if you are still off today and I will ping jdstrand to see if anyone else in security can cover for you and do that testing round
[07:46] <seb128> pitti, ich bin gut, danke ;-)
[07:46]  * pitti chuckles
[07:46] <micahg> seb128: I think I'll be well enough to at least do the testing (won't promise much else though :))
[07:46] <pitti> seb128: (that means something rather different than "I feel well", FYI)
[07:46] <seb128> micahg, ok, get better!
[07:47] <micahg> seb128: thanks
[07:47] <seb128> pitti, second try
[07:47] <seb128> pitti, mir geht us gut danke!
[07:48] <seb128> us->es
[07:48]  * pitti hugs seb128, impeccable!
[07:48]  * seb128 hugs pitti back
[07:49] <seb128> didrocks, lut
[07:49] <didrocks> salut seb128, ça va? ;)
[07:49] <seb128> (testing if didrocks is lost if new productivity world with his new laptop or if he got IRC notifications back)
[07:49] <seb128> didrocks, ca va ;-) et toi ?
[07:49] <didrocks> seb128: ça va bien, j'ai retrouvé mes notifs weechat \o/
[07:49] <seb128> hehe
[07:49] <pitti> didrocks: oh, you got your new toy?
[07:50] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, received last week. I installed it mostly during the bank holiday
[07:50] <didrocks> finished a little bit to copy some bits yesterday (had to restart from a clean home as last one is dated since 2002) ;)
[07:50] <pitti> didrocks: Ne vous l'aimez?
[07:51] <didrocks> pitti: I love it! I'm in the 21th century now ;)
[07:51] <didrocks> changed the HD by a ssd
[07:51] <didrocks> used oneconf to reinstall the apps I wanted, everything is fine!
[08:01] <pitti> didrocks: how long does your battery last now?
[08:02] <didrocks> pitti: didn't test it fully yet, but more than 10 minutes for sure :)
[08:02] <didrocks> I'll try on a quiet day, without too much compiling first
[08:02] <didrocks> I saw in the bios that all acceleration are deactivated when on battery
[08:03] <pitti> didrocks: powertop's estimation is usually quite well (same like the power applet)
[08:03] <pitti> s/applet/indicator/, of course
[08:04] <glatzor> hello pitti seb128  and mvo
[08:04]  * pitti waves Servus to glatzor
[08:05]  * glatzor hugs the zugroasten pitti
[08:05] <pitti> Jo mei!
[08:06] <glatzor> mvo, I would like to move softwareproperties.AptAuth to apt.auth to avoid a circular dependency between aptdaemon and software-properties
[08:06] <pitti> glatzor: they disqualified me anyway -- Lederhosen just look hilarious on me
[08:06] <didrocks> pitti: I'm fully charged, idled computer (but still getting the tons emails from imap), chromium, weechat, gedit and 2 terminals: 6h46 says the applet
[08:06] <seb128> hey glatzor
[08:07] <pitti> didrocks: that's not bad already :) now you can try and tinker with the powertop tweaks, disable radios, etc.
[08:07] <didrocks> pitti: I'll probably tonight :)
[08:07] <pitti> seb128: I guess no news about the guadec schedule? I think I'll just ask for flights now
[08:08] <seb128> pitti, no, but if you are up for some hacking after the conf days just flight back on aug 1 or 2
[08:08] <seb128> pitti, I still I will go back on the 1st
[08:09] <seb128> pitti, by experience there are not so many people left on the last hack day
[08:09] <pitti> seb128: so I'll probably fly back on Aug 1 afternoon
[08:10] <seb128> same here
[08:10] <didrocks> will probably do the same
[08:20] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[08:20] <mvo> hey glatzor
[08:21] <seb128> chrisccoulson, mvo: hey, how are you?
[08:21] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128,, i'm good thanks. how are you?
[08:21] <mvo> seb128: good, thanks
[08:21] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I'm good ;-)
[08:21] <mvo> glatzor: sure, that sounds good, lets move it further down the stack
[08:21] <chrisccoulson> oh, we have our roof fixed! IT's FINALLY FIXED!!!!! :-)
[08:22] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you might want to talk to Trevinho about the startupwmclass changes
[08:22] <chrisccoulson> seb128, how come?
[08:22] <chrisccoulson> oh, about my last comment?
[08:22] <seb128> chrisccoulson, yes
[08:22] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I think he said he behaviour changed slightly but was buggy before
[08:22] <seb128> chrisccoulson, so maybe firefox was relying on a bug to work?
[08:23] <chrisccoulson> seb128, that's ok. i can make sure it's fixed in the final beta
[08:23] <seb128> ok, great
[08:23] <seb128> chrisccoulson, @roof: but, it's summer, you don't need one! :p
[08:23] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, firefox changed the WM_CLASS a while ago and i didn't update the desktop file, because it continued to work ;)
[08:25] <didrocks> hey chrisccoulson! Congrats for your roof ;)
[08:25] <chrisccoulson> heh, thanks
[08:25] <chrisccoulson> i hope it doesn't leak now
[08:26] <chrisccoulson> what we need is a good thunderstorm to test it out
[08:26] <didrocks> well, where you live, you don't have to wait for long ;)
[08:26]  * didrocks runs
[08:26] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, unfortunately, it normally just rains. i want an actual thunderstorm instead though, as they're fun :)
[08:27] <chrisccoulson> what we need is a little mini-sprint in orlando in mid june. then i'd get to see lots of thunderstorms!
[09:09] <mpt> seb128, threadscope is "a graphical thread profiler for Haskell programs", so it's right for it to show up in Haskell. <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter#Genre> shows that non-application packages are supposed to show by default too. This is bug 904451.
[09:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 904451 in software-center "Technical items should appear by default in "development tools"" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/904451
[09:11] <seb128> mpt, ok, yeah the fact that it shows was not an issue, having a category for only 1 item is what seemed weird
[09:11] <seb128> desrt, ^
[09:11] <seb128> mpt, thanks
[09:14] <pitti> tkamppeter: I want to port foomatic-db-compressed-ppds to python 3; where can I send the patch for this for upstream?
[09:14] <pitti> tkamppeter: is it ok to mail to you?
[09:16] <tkamppeter> pitti, yes, simply mail it to me.
[09:17] <pitti> tkamppeter: actually, I think /usr/lib/cups/driver/foomatic-db-compressed-ppds gets autogenerated, so I guess the fix is in pyppd
[09:19] <tkamppeter> pitti, yes. You can forward it to the upstream of the pyppd package.
[09:19] <pitti> tkamppeter: right, seems it's Odyx' package; I'll mail it to Debian then
[09:20] <tkamppeter> pitti, and also the real upstream (the pyppd author).
[09:22] <pitti> tkamppeter: ah, actually it's on http://gitorious.org/vitorbaptista/pyppd/
[09:22] <pitti> I do a fork there and send a pull req
[09:24] <tkamppeter> pitti, OK, thanks.
[09:32] <chrisccoulson> hmmmm, i think that for every cycle in the future, I should have a default WI - "deal with fallout from changing toolchain"  ;)
[09:32] <pitti> it just could never be set to "done"
[09:32] <pitti> it's a mission, not a WI :)
[09:33] <chrisccoulson> heh
[09:35] <seb128> chrisccoulson, still can't play angry birds? ;-)
[09:36] <dpm> hi pitti, good morning. I meant to ask you a while ago, when you've got a minute, do you think you could upload the signed off language packs from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/LanguagePackUpdatesQA#Test_results_Ubuntu_12.04_.22Precise_Pangolin.22 - thanks!
[09:40] <pitti> dpm: sure
[09:40] <dpm> cool, thanks :)
[09:55] <pitti> dpm: general and gnome packages are in; -kde pacakge copies are requested, but LP seems to take some time to think about them..
[09:56] <dpm> pitti, ok, thanks!
[10:03] <tkamppeter> pitti, I know that you are not in the SRU team any more, but can you approve my ptouch-driver and system-config-printer SRUs and move cups-filters to -updates, as the real SRU team is a week behind (is Precise so broken?).
[10:03] <pitti> ask in #u-release perhaps?
[10:04] <pitti> if I keep doing SRUs, things will never change :)
[10:04] <seb128> pitti, we miss you there as well already ;-)
[10:05] <seb128> pitti, I can tell, I've been trying hard to get mine through without pinging you, it's working less well so far but let's see if they managed to get organized ;-)
[10:07] <pitti> dpm: -kde now released, too
[10:09] <Laney> it looks like the SRU team could do with more european members
[10:09] <chrisccoulson> seb128, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18234930 ;)
[10:11] <tkamppeter> pitti, Laney, who are the SRU team members? Are they all concentrated in AU?
[10:11] <Laney> tkamppeter: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sru/+members
[10:11] <dpm> pitti, ack thanks
[10:13] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I should move there ;-)
[10:23] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah :)
[10:23] <chrisccoulson> it seems i'm not going to escape speaking French soon ;)
[10:51] <Trevinho> hi seb128.... Yesterday I've noticed that the latest fixes for unity duplicated icons / no icons fixes have also fixed this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/925421 ;)
[10:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 925421 in unity "sometimes icons get dropped from the launcher when they should not" [High,Fix committed]
[11:58] <seb128> Trevinho, is that the "pin,unpin applications lead to broken icon"?
[11:58] <Trevinho> seb128: yep
[11:58] <seb128> Trevinho, oh, that's great, so no need to fix dbus-glib after all? ;-)
[11:58] <seb128> Trevinho, bug #978401 is the same bug right?
[11:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 978401 in unity-distro-priority "Some applications stop being listed after being pinned,unpinned in the Launcher" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/978401
[11:59] <Trevinho> seb128: no, that's another issue.... that was the unpinning thing while running an app
[12:01] <seb128> hum, xchat-gnome segfaulted
[12:02] <seb128> Trevinho, ok
[12:04] <ritz> seb128, heya, lp bz ?
[12:04] <seb128> ritz, lp bz what?
[12:04] <ritz> segv
[12:05] <ritz> seb128, xg should be gtk3 only by this weekend, with hopefully little regression
[12:05] <seb128> oh ok
[12:05] <seb128> great
[12:09] <mitya57> xchat-gnome it's the most crashing app for me, and has at least 4 different kinds of crashes :)
[12:10] <mitya57> bug 956118 and bug 1005220 seem to occur only for me :(
[12:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 956118 in xchat-gnome "xchat-gnome assert failure: *** glibc detected *** xchat-gnome: double free or corruption (!prev): 0x09788a08 ***" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/956118
[12:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1005220 in xchat-gnome "xchat-gnome crashed with SIGSEGV in gtk_xtext_render_str()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1005220
[12:35] <desrt> seb128: that and the fact that some really obvious things are missing from said category
[12:35] <Sweetshark_nhome> .
[12:38] <Sweetshark_nhome> Hi all, Im not home, but at LO hamburg homehacking.
[12:40] <chrisccoulson> pmsl @ http://mashable.com/2012/05/30/amercia/
[12:44] <Sweetshark_nhome> I dont have my email stuff copied over to my new SSD, so if you have an urgent request, please ping me here on freenode #kthx
[13:08] <pitti> cyphermox: hey, how are you?
[13:09] <pitti> cyphermox: FYI, the ubuntu-drivers-common API is now by and large working; please let me know if you are missing something when implementing the UI
[13:09] <pitti> cyphermox: i. e. it could be that we should put some extra logic about the nvidia driver variants and their description into u-drivers-common instead of into software-properties
[13:57] <didrocks> phew, just finished with recreating a new debian/copyright compiz file :)
[13:57] <didrocks> that was the last part of this insane update (insane, but for good tomorrow)
[14:16] <cyphermox> pitti: thanks
[14:16] <cyphermox> I haven't started, currently doing +1.
[14:48] <cyphermox> anyone remember seeing jbicha mention he needed sponsoring for indicator-datetime?
[14:48]  * cyphermox is about to sponsor it from the desktop branches
[14:50] <seb128> cyphermox, I guess he forgot to upload
[14:50] <cyphermox> seb128: I checked and I don't think he can
[14:50] <cyphermox> though that's something else that ought to be fixed
[14:51] <seb128> right, upload away then ;-)
[14:58] <didrocks> ok, new compiz is working fine, apart that it can't load one plugin… unity :p
[14:59] <cyphermox> wee ;)
[14:59] <ogra_> didrocks, awesome, keep it that way and arm wont be behind anymore
[14:59] <didrocks> ogra_: heh ;)
[15:04] <didrocks> seems to be an unnoticed ABI break
[15:04] <didrocks> a
[15:08] <didrocks> kenvandine: seb128: the overlay scrollbars are removed during precise -> quantal upgrade, (but I see no new package/ABI installed), wanted?
[15:08] <kenvandine> humm
[15:09] <Guest70781> didrocks: the new ones should be overlay-scrollbar-gtk3 and -gtk2
[15:09] <jbicha_> ah, that's better
[15:09] <seb128> kenvandine, didrocks: it stopped being a lib
[15:09] <didrocks> ah, there is just overlay-scrollbar :)
[15:10] <seb128> didrocks, right
[15:10] <kenvandine> much simpler now :)
[15:10] <didrocks> ok, good, thanks jbicha_/Guest :p seb128 ;)
[15:10] <seb128> yw
[15:13] <didrocks> seb128: now that's a gtk module, how can you activate/deactivate it?
[15:13] <kenvandine> gsettings
[15:14] <seb128> didrocks, there is a GTK_... variable for those or gsettings
[15:15] <didrocks> got it from the diff
[15:16] <highvoltage> hi! in edubuntu we ship some .desktop files as overrides in /usr/share/ubuntu/applications
[15:16] <highvoltage> but it doesn't seem to be applied anymore, is there a new way of doing that?
[15:20] <didrocks> highvoltage: hey, where do you ship them?
[15:21] <highvoltage> didrocks: from the edubuntu-artwork package
[15:22] <didrocks> highvoltage: echo $XDG_DATA_DIRS
[15:22] <didrocks> it does contain /usr/share/ubuntu, isn't it?
[15:23] <highvoltage> didrocks: ah, somehow it doesn't
[15:24] <highvoltage> it has "/usr/share/gnome-classic:/usr/share/gnome:/usr/local/share/:/usr/share/"
[15:24] <didrocks> highvoltage: it's because you are using gnome-classic and not the "ubuntu" session
[15:24] <didrocks> /etc/X11/Xsession.d/60x11-common_xdg_path set the override depending on which session we choose
[15:25] <highvoltage> ok, so we should be shipping those files in /usr/share/gnome-classic?
[15:25] <didrocks> highvoltage: if you want to use that session, yep :)
[15:25] <didrocks> well /usr/share/gnome-classic/applications
[15:25] <highvoltage> yep, we support it
[15:25] <highvoltage> didrocks: ok thanks a lot
[15:26] <didrocks> highvoltage: yw ;)
[15:26] <didrocks> desrt: seb128: see, people are using the "on session type" override ;) ^
[15:26] <highvoltage> :)
[16:59] <pitti> good nighth everyone!
[17:02] <didrocks> good night pitti!
[17:28] <chrisccoulson> heh, THUNDER!!!!!
[17:29] <cyphermox> thunder?
[17:30] <mlankhorst> Flash?
[17:30] <davmor2> chrisccoulson: I see what you did there but you missed the bird bit off the end ;)
[17:30] <mdeslaur> lol
[17:55] <Sweetshark_nhome> seb128: still around?
[18:00] <seb128> Sweetshark_nhome, yes
[18:00] <seb128> Sweetshark_nhome, but not for long, going for dinner in 5 minutes
[18:01] <Sweetshark_nhome> seb128: anyway, Im uploading 3.5.4-0ubuntu1 for precise-proposed to chinstrap. Reviewers welcome. (Except for the tarballs, its the same as the libreoffice ppa upload of 3.5.4~rc2 -- so shouldnt have any exciting breakages ;) )
[18:02] <seb128> Sweetshark_nhome, ok, I will have a look, but likely tomorrow morning
[18:02] <seb128> Sweetshark_nhome, note that you should got it in quantal before SRUing and that you better have a bug with the details from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates filed
[18:03] <seb128> Sweetshark_nhome, i.e rational, regression potential, etc ... the (new) SRU team started requiring those recently
[18:03] <seb128> i.e they will not review things in the queue which don't have a bug with those infos
[18:04] <Sweetshark_nhome> seb128: not urgent, as the package is a) in the ppa b) would rot for a week in -proposed anyway.
[18:06]  * dobey really doesn't like this new SRU thing
[18:08] <micahg> umm, those have been the rules for a while, just not enforced well
[18:10] <seb128> micahg, hey, how is the firefox 13 testing going?
[18:10] <micahg> seb128: just updating my VMs, will be starting soon :)
[18:10] <seb128> cool
[18:13] <bcurtiswx> The SRU proceedures are laborious now, makes me shy away from them
[18:13] <dobey> micahg: perhaps, but probably for good reason.
[18:13] <dobey> bcurtiswx: exactly
[18:14] <micahg> bcurtiswx: as has been mentioned, these have been the procedures for quite a while, people have just been ignoring them
[18:14] <dobey> the [Test Case] is fine, and makes sense, but the other stuff seems overly redundant and costly
[18:15] <bcurtiswx> It's all fine , and i completely understand why they're enforcing it now, especially with an MOTU app coming in the next few months i'll NEED to be that detailed in my SRU exampels :P
[18:15] <micahg> dobey: rational and regression potential are to save the SRU team some time in evaluating the upload
[18:15] <jbicha_> how do you evaluate "regression potential"?
[18:16] <dobey> micahg: rational?
[18:16] <dobey> jbicha_: it's always "Unknown"
[18:16] <micahg> dobey: why the update is happening
[18:16] <dobey> jbicha_: or "Minimal" if you prefer :)
[18:16] <jbicha_> I like "minimal" ;)
[18:16] <dobey> micahg: there is nothing in "Procedure" about rational.
[18:16] <micahg> jbicha_: regression potential is how likely the change will affect the surrounding code
[18:17] <micahg> dobey: s/rationale/imapct/
[18:17] <micahg> *impact
[18:17] <dobey> micahg: but isn't the bug report itself exactly what that section is supposed to be?
[18:17] <micahg> dobey: it's to highlight the issue so the SRU team doesn't have to read the whole report
[18:18] <jbicha_> don't we want the SRU team to read the bug report?
[18:18] <dobey> i would hope the SRU team would be reading the bug report
[18:18] <micahg> no, they should just need to read the description (some of the reports get really long)
[18:19] <dobey> i mean, if all this stuff is in the description anyway
[18:19] <dobey> micahg: yes, but comments != report
[18:19] <micahg> dobey: yes, but not all the info is in the description from the outset
[18:21] <dobey> micahg: sure, and some people take better care to maintain their projects/packages than others might. the extent of requirement makes more sense for arbitrary updates to arbitrary packages, but less so for well maintained things
[18:21] <dobey> i mean, i'm pretty sure chrisccoulson doesn't have to provide a minimal patch applicable to the previous version of firefox, when updating to the new version :)
[18:22] <micahg> dobey: well maintained things should probably go for SRU mircorelease exceptions :)
[18:22] <chrisccoulson> i can if you like, but then the SRU team will spend several months reviewing it
[18:22] <micahg> chrisccoulson: we already have SRU exceptions :)
[18:22] <bcurtiswx> micahg, my SRU is a microrelease and they still wanted FULL guideline in description
[18:22] <dobey> chrisccoulson: and then there will be 4 more releases of firefox to review by the time they're done! :)
[18:22] <micahg> bcurtiswx: there's a process for microrelease exceptions
[18:23] <chrisccoulson> well, the SRU process doesn't really scale to uploads that fix more than a single issue anyway
[18:23] <chrisccoulson> unless you have a test case for every commit
[18:23] <Sweetshark_nhome> seb128: arrgh, the internetz are slow here, upload will take a while anyway -- so tommorrow ...
[18:23] <micahg> well, it scales to a handful or so (and the idea is to have a test case for every bug in an SRU)
[18:23] <dobey> besides, there's no way the SRU team can properly review any patch that's more than a few lines for a simple change.
[18:24] <bcurtiswx> micahg, its confusing to what they want.. just to go ahead and upload? no SRU bug request?
[18:24] <dobey> unless it's for something they themselves work on
[18:24] <micahg> bcurtiswx: AIUI, stuff w/microrelease exceptions need a tracking bug still
[18:25] <dobey> micahg: vs. simply having the bugs which are fixed in the micro release?
[18:25] <micahg> dobey: AIUI, yes (but IANA SRU team member)
[18:26] <jbicha_> for instance, the clutter point release fixes bugs, but there's no way I will be able to write testcases for them
[18:27] <dobey> jbicha_: there are certainly cases like that
[18:27] <jbicha_> so depending on how stricly it's enforced, there will be less SRUs
[18:27] <dobey> jbicha_: not to mention cases where the test case is "step 1) boot into Windows XP"
[18:27] <micahg> well, depends if clutter falls under the GNOME point release exception, maybe seb128 can help determine that
[18:27] <jbicha_> lol
[18:28] <jbicha_> oh GNOME has an exception?
[18:29] <dobey> jbicha_: well, it's not listed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates/MicroReleaseExceptions
[18:29] <dobey> which is odd
[18:30] <jbicha_> I mean bug 999593 was kind of cute, in that it was only translation updates
[18:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 999593 in vinagre "3.4.2 stable version" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/999593
[18:30] <dobey> i guess i need mail the tech board
[18:30] <micahg> hrm, I thought GNOME had an exception for bug fix only updates
[18:30] <dobey> jbicha_: it's missing the regression potential! :)
[18:32] <dobey> jbicha_: though i don't immediately trust translations only changes either. i have had broken translations break things far too many times
[18:35] <bcurtiswx> finding out a little bit more about Microrelease Exceptions, you need to be on this list: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates/MicroReleaseExceptions
[18:35] <bcurtiswx> otherwise even a microrelease still needs ALL that from SRU process
[18:35] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, ^^ ICYWW
[18:35]  * Sweetshark_nhome will just write "regression potential: yes" ...
[18:36] <kenvandine> !!!
[18:36] <kenvandine> i thought gnome was on that list!
[18:36] <kenvandine> seb128, ^^
[18:38] <bcurtiswx> i asked about GNOME before you said that, and nobody in -motu has chirped up about any GNOME exception
[18:40] <Sweetshark_nhome> well, that list is not reflecting reality as LibreOffice has rightfully been MRUed too.
[18:40] <micahg> bcurtiswx: -motu wouldn't inherently know about GNOME anyways :)
[18:40] <micahg> Sweetshark_nhome: you haven't applied for an exception for libreoffice yet
[18:41] <Sweetshark_nhome> micahg: AFAI am concerned it had one from the start (i.e. before I joined)
[18:41] <micahg> Sweetshark_nhome: nope, you need to apply: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates/MicroReleaseExceptions
[18:42] <bcurtiswx> I think GNOME would have been on of the first MRE's there. <shrugs>
[18:43] <bcurtiswx> s/on/one
[18:43] <kenvandine> i thought we've done those for gnome
[18:43] <kenvandine> seb128 would know
[18:43]  * bcurtiswx sends a pitchfork and fire brigade out for seb128 at dinner..
[18:44] <micahg> Sweetshark_nhome: I believe there's a desire for one, but it just needs to be proven in practice
[18:45] <Sweetshark_nhome> micahg: Ill let pitti and seb128 sort that out. It was reality up to now and I would not throw in extra bureaucrazy to _keep_ the status quo.
[18:47] <micahg> Sweetshark_nhome: you generally have trial SRUs before going for the microrelease exception, once the first few go well and show that the world doesn't break and there aren't any regressions, then one generally applies for the microrelease exception
[18:48] <micahg> Sweetshark_nhome: as I mentioned back in January, you seem to be taking advantage of the trial window without going for the exception (and suggested that you apply for the MRE before you start SRUing for precise)
[18:53] <Sweetshark_nhome> micahg: as long as the bus factor for libreoffice is 1, all those discussions are sophistic academics anyway.
[18:54] <micahg> Sweetshark_nhome: what do you mean?
[18:57] <Sweetshark_nhome> there is noone (except maybe doko) who can review libreoffice upstream changes in ubuntu anyway (which is a pity) ...
[18:58] <micahg> Sweetshark_nhome: the idea is to not have to do those reviews and to rely on the upstream regression tests mostly, but there's a process for allowing that in the distro
[19:00] <Sweetshark_nhome> fwiw I trust the ~12.000 users downloading the rc from the libreoffice ppa a lot more than any process involving people having nothing todo with libreoffice at all reviewing updates, no matter in what way they are doing it.
[19:01] <micahg> Sweetshark_nhome: that's great that you have so many users of the RC, but that doesn't mean that you can ignore the distro processes that other upstreams need to go through (and if the quality is as good as you say, it should be an easy application)
[19:09] <seb128> re
[19:09] <dobey> seb128: save the world with your super powers!
[19:09] <kenvandine> hey seb128!
[19:09] <seb128> jbicha_, kenvandine, bcurtiswx: they dropped the GNOME standing exception stuff I think, well those were for pre-releases freezes anyway
[19:09] <seb128> not for SRU
[19:09] <seb128> you always want some care with SRUs
[19:09] <kenvandine> ok... kde is still on there :)
[19:09] <micahg> kenvandine: KDE applied for an SRU exception
[19:10] <seb128> GNOME screwed in the past (I would say they are not good post release since they have no freeze left, no review, no testing)
[19:10] <kenvandine> ok, makes sense to drop that then
[19:10] <dobey> seb128: freezes are supposed to remain in effect in upstream GNOME
[19:11] <dobey> seb128: but they can be lax about some of them as well
[19:11] <seb128> dobey, well, not hard freeze where r-t does reviews
[19:11] <seb128> which in practice means there is no review
[19:11] <seb128> nobody enforcing the freeze
[19:11] <dobey> yeah, upstream gnome does not have good process
[19:11] <seb128> you can add that GNOME does virtually no automated or manual testing for releases
[19:11] <dobey> it's mostly whatever maintainer deems ok
[19:12] <dobey> and the stuff that's not directly part of GNOME itself, but which GNOME uses, will sometimes break certain things pretty badly *cought*gtk*cough* :)
[19:13] <bcurtiswx> Good points made. I'm
[19:14] <bcurtiswx> Sitting at a red light lol. I<3 technology
[19:14] <kenvandine> :)
[19:15] <dobey> bcurtiswx: that's illegal in VA :)
[19:15] <dobey> "Don't IRC and drive."
[19:27] <bcurtiswx> It's illegal to drive. I was totally stopped :-P
[19:36] <dobey> bcurtiswx: it's illegal to operate a cellular device while sitting in the driver's seat of a vehicle, in VA. i won't mention all the police i see driving around in patrol cars playing with their cell phones, though.
[19:37] <dobey> come on MRE. get approved
[19:38] <bcurtiswx> dobey, weird i've had cops sit at intersections next to me and stare at me using my cell phone and couldn't care...
[19:38] <dobey> bcurtiswx: yeah, it's not a very well enforced law. sort of like SRU rules :)
[19:42] <dobey> hrmm. tech board doesn't have great timezone coverage
[19:44] <micahg> dobey: since their meetings are normally discussion vs having applicants, I would think it matters less
[19:46] <dobey> micahg: sure, in that sense, yes.
[19:46] <dobey> but not in the "who can i bribe right now" sense, when there are applications :)
[19:48] <micahg> dobey: I think in terms of having someone around always, they do have decent coverage
[19:50] <dobey> micahg: eh? there are 2 people who aren't in europe, and those 2 people, while in the US, aren't in positions where ubuntu development is their primary focus
[19:50] <dobey> but anyway
[19:51] <micahg> dobey: cjwatson is usually around until late evening US, kees is usually a ping away
[19:52] <micahg> dobey: and I think you forgot about stgraber :)
[19:53] <dobey> oh, right. i didn't realize he was in montreal. i thought he was in europe too :)
[19:54] <dobey> but still, a good thing i'm not in APAC :)
[19:54] <stgraber> well, I almost spend a quarter of the year in Europe, but yeah, I'm usually on US/Canada eastern
[19:55] <dobey> heh
[19:57] <dobey> stgraber: what do you think of my MRE request? also feel free to moderate it through to the list, if it hasn't been yet ;)
[19:58] <stgraber> dobey: I can't see it, I'll poke cjwatson to do a moderation run
[19:58] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, OK I've updated the bug appropriately, hopefully they see it :)
[19:58] <dobey> ah ok
[20:00] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, thx
[20:45] <dobey> mterry: does deja-dup add a "Restore missing files…" item in nautilus?
[20:46] <mterry> dobey, yes
[20:47] <dobey> mterry: ah. yay confusion! seems people sometimes mistake it as something that will download files from ubuntuone, vs. restoring from a backup (whether that backup is on u1 or not)
[20:47] <dobey> particularly confusing for users who don't use deja-dup i guess
[20:47] <dobey> mterry: cf the description in bug #1006583
[20:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1006583 in ubuntuone-client "Ubuntu One does not synchronize files after reinstall" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1006583
[20:48] <mterry> dobey, :-/
[20:48] <dobey> yeah
[20:48] <dobey> probably causes confusion with dropbox as well
[20:49] <dobey> particularly when inside the u1 folder
[20:49] <dobey> or dropbox
[20:49] <dobey> or whatever
[20:49] <dobey> not sure how to fix that exactly
[20:49] <dobey> but i do like the intention of it :)
[20:51] <mterry> dobey, yeah not sure what the best fix is there
[20:51] <mterry> dobey, maybe "... from backup" but some users would likley still get confused
[20:51] <dobey> of course we also have confusion with the things that add sharing stuff
[20:52] <dobey> mterry: indeed, and these things need to be short, not long winded explanations :)
[20:53] <dobey> mterry: perhaps setting it insensitive if deja-dup isn't configured would be a good start though
[20:53] <dobey> then at least people won't click on it and get an annoying error about deja-dup not being configured, but which they don't understand either
[20:54] <mterry> dobey, I think in such cases, we let the user configure things
[20:57] <dobey> mterry: hrmm, that report said he got an error about restore failing due to no hostname specified
[20:58] <mterry> dobey, maybe there's a bug, but the intent was to guide the user through pointing at their restore
[20:59] <dobey> mterry: maybe the user went through it, but had no idea what was going on, and thought it was related to getting his files out of ubuntu one, but it just failed at the end?
[20:59] <dobey> software is hard :-/
[21:49] <david> i'm  looking for the desktop manager
[21:50] <Daviey> david: jasoncwarner_ timezone is 7:50AM.. so he won't be online just yet.
[21:51] <david> is he signed on right now or is that jason someone else?
[21:53] <robert_ancell> RAOF, so how come xf86-input-wacom doesn't use the xserver-xorg-input- package naming?
[21:54] <robert_ancell> also, does nouveau not have any tarball releases?
[21:54] <bryceh> robert_ancell, it's maintained by a different person than the regular debian-x team
[21:54] <bryceh> robert_ancell, they've not put out formal releases.  -ati is also very intermittent on tarball releases so we usually ship snapshots
[21:56] <Optichip> welcome techman246!
[22:08] <techman246> what time does jason normally get on?
[22:52] <chrisccoulson> techman246, he was still around quite late last night/this morning, so perhaps he'll be online a little bit later than normal today
[23:04] <techman246> is jason here yet
[23:24] <RAOF> techman246: Maybe, if you give him a ping?
[23:36] <david> i'm here
[23:37] <david> is jason on yet
[23:50] <RAOF> david: We don't know; he hasn't said anything yet, but then no one has pinged him. jasoncwarner_ ^^^?
[23:50] <jasoncwarner_> RAOF: here, just doing my morning email ;)
[23:51] <jasoncwarner_> david: I'm here, just going through email, trying to get some coffee so I at least resemble a human person (had a very late night call regarding GUADEC, so, you know)


[07:28] <Hayzeus> im trying to install my NVIDIA Graphics drivers so it can run OpenGL a bit better than vesa... i have a nVidia 7600 and when i run the install file it says that i have X server running and i need to disable it
[07:28] <_pedro> Now I am working with nv driver but I would like to use nvidia
[07:28] <Hayzeus> and i dont know how to
[07:28] <melkor> does anybody here use the infrared port on their laptop?
[07:29] <jhutchins> !ati | Hayzeus
[07:29] <ubotu> Hayzeus: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:29] <_pedro> I am going to reboot and try the command <sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg>
[07:29] <SillyZ> thanks jhutchins
[07:29] <_pedro> see you now
[07:29] <melkor> Or why doesn't  ' apt-get upgrade ' upgrade my kernel?
[07:29] <smile> hello world
[07:30] <smile> i need a help to connect my ftp server
[07:30] <smile> i use proftpd
[07:30] <fisnik> Hi there, I need help with my ATI card
[07:30] <SillyZ> !ati | fisnik
[07:30] <ubotu> fisnik: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:30] <fisnik> ubotu
[07:30] <fisnik> is this a bot?
[07:31] <SillyZ> infobot
[07:31] <fisnik> I see
[07:31] <fisnik> can anybody help me increase reoslution on my ATI
[07:31] <jhutchins> fisnik: Not if you're not willing to read guides.
[07:32] <melkor> !irda
[07:32] <ubotu> Information about using IrDA interfaces under Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IrdaHowto
[07:33] <fisnik> but my card is installed in kubuntu
[07:33] <fisnik> I only need to increase resolution
[07:34] <Daisuke_Ido> fisnik: then you didn't read the guide
[07:35] <fisnik> I'm really confused
[07:35] <fisnik> I just installed the kubuntu
[07:35] <fisnik> 10 minutes ago
[07:35] <fisnik> dont know anything about linux
[07:35] <fisnik> :S
[07:35] <melkor> fisnik the guide is pretty thorough
[07:37] <fisnik> I will try to
[07:39] <jhutchins> fisnik: We usually refer people to guides for two reasons: the question is asked frequently, and the answer is more complex than is practical to explain over IRC.
[07:40] <fisnik> how do I find this: ystem -> Administration -> Restricted Drivers Manager
[07:40] <fisnik> system -> Administration -> Restricted Drivers Manager*
[07:40] <fisnik> on the system I dont see admini
[07:40] <jhutchins> fisnik: In your case, the answer is a small portion of one of the pages that is referred to, and those of us who don't have ATI cards can still refer you to it,.
[07:40] <TheCreationist> Could someone recommend a good GUI app to rip DVD to iPod?
[07:41] <st> i need help with the new acer 5920 notebook. can't startx 1280 x 800
[07:42] <Minataku> !resolution
[07:42] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:42] <jhutchins> st: What about 1280x960?
[07:42] <sebastianhooker_> TheCreationist: jodix
[07:42] <Minataku> jhutchins: It's probably a widescreen LCD panel
[07:43] <Minataku> LCD panels tend to be rather static in resolution, especially laptop ones
[07:43] <st> jhutchins you mean change xorg to 1280 x 960?
[07:44] <st> yes its a widescreen
[07:44] <_ubotu_> whats up?
[07:44] <marko> i
[07:45] <jhutchins> st: you and fisnik might find krandrtray useful.
[07:45] <marko> need help anyway i the terminal i use wget to download someting then i use tar you know but i don 't know where does save the files
[07:45] <marko> :D
[07:45] <Minataku> marko: In the current directory
[07:45] <marko> forget it
[07:45] <marko> i have it
[07:45] <marko> heh:)
[07:45] <_ubotu_> marko: lol
[07:46] <Minataku> _ubotu_: I'm pretty sure impersonating the bot is a punishable offense, sebastianhooker
[07:46] <TheCreationist> Could someone recommend a good GUI app to rip DVD to iPod?
[07:46] <fisnik> can somebody tell me on how to access: "System -> Administration -> Restricted Drivers Manager"
[07:46] <_ubotu_> minataku: technically i'm not impersonating the bot, there still is _s there
[07:47] <Minataku> _ubotu_: You are using a nickname deliberately similar to that of the bot
[07:47] <Minataku> It is obvious impersonation of a channel official
[07:47] <fisnik> can somebody tell me on how to access: "System -> Administration -> Restricted Drivers Manager"
[07:47] <_ubotu_> is _roconnor ever talking?
[07:48] <ardchoille> _ubotu_: Why do you use a nick so close to that of the bot?
[07:48] <fisnik> I'm using kubuntu
[07:48] <_pedro> I am here again
[07:48] <ardchoille> _ubotu_: That may confuse new visitors, just fyi
[07:48] <_pedro> I can say that the solution didn't work
[07:48] <Minataku> He's gone and back now
[07:48] <sebastianhooker> happy?
[07:48] <Minataku> Yes
[07:48] <sebastianhooker> ok
[07:48] <Minataku> In the future: /nick blah
[07:48] <Minataku> No need to disconnect
[07:48] <_pedro> and by the way, my graphic card is Geforce 5700
[07:49] <_pedro> any other suggestion?
[07:50] <jhutchins> !fixres | _pedro
[07:50] <ubotu> _pedro: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:51] <fisnik> is anybody here using ubuntu
[07:51] <fisnik> kubuntu sorry *
[07:52] <MartyMcFly> is it possible to play sound from two apps at once? say amarok and firefox?
[07:52] <Minataku> Yes
[07:53] <Minataku> I believe that's what ARTS is designed to do, in fact
[07:53] <Minataku> Though ALSA is also capable of performing such itself, but I believe the card has to have stream mixing capabilities
[07:53] <Minataku> But KDE uses that ARTS thing which does it in software
[07:54] <Minataku> You can play sound from a bunch of apps at once if you likw
[07:54] <Minataku> It'll probably sound like crap, but if that's what you want XD
[07:55] <Minataku> Wow, is that Barracuda freaking loud
[07:55] <Minataku> Like a buzzsaw inside that Mac
[08:00] <_pedro> I think that you don't know exactly what is my problem...
[08:00] <_pedro> I recently installed nvidia drivers with aptitude
[08:01] <_pedro> but I can't start X after that
[08:01] <_pedro> I had to load nv driver to have gui
[08:01] <_pedro> and I don't know where is the problem
[08:01] <fisnik> is anybody here using kubuntu?
[08:01] <_pedro> I am
[08:01] <xerosis> fisnik: everyone :p
[08:01] <fisnik> can somebody tell me on how to access: "System -> Administration -> Restricted Drivers Manager"
[08:02] <_pedro> It is a good question
[08:02] <fisnik> ?
[08:02] <xerosis> fisnik: there isn't one for kubuntu
[08:02] <xerosis> it missed the deadline for inclusion for fiesty, it will be in gutsy though
[08:03] <fisnik> so how then do I change resolution for ATI card?
[08:03] <xerosis> there's a monitors section in system settings
[08:03] <fisnik> but I only 1024 x 860
[08:03] <fisnik> I only see*
[08:03] <fisnik> I need higher resolution
[08:03] <xerosis> does your card support it?
[08:04] <fisnik> of course
[08:04] <ardchoille> fisnik: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[08:04] <xerosis> run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[08:04] <xerosis> damn, too slow :p
[08:04] <fisnik> ok let me see
[08:04] <fisnik> and then?
[08:05] <christel-5> hi all, Beryl is giving me the white screen of death! I'looked up the beryl and ubuntu forums and it seems that it can be fixed by entering some commands in terminal. Now my question is: how do I access the terminal if I don't have access to anything? In a failsafe session? tried that, doesn't work. Any suggestion welcome, I reaaly need to get some work done tonight, so I' willing to remove the whole Beryl/Compiz thingie if needed
[08:05] <fisnik> i CHOOSE ATI RIGHT?
[08:05] <_pedro> I tried yet 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' but it didn't work
[08:06] <jhutchins_lt> christel-5: Try ctrl-alt-F1
[08:06] <_pedro> about 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg', I think it would load nv driver in my xorg.conf and that is not what I want
[08:06] <ardchoille> _pedro: Did you restart X ?
[08:06] <_pedro> of course
[08:06] <fisnik> I have followed sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[08:06] <masterk> hi my friend and I were wondering: we are at the download for fiesty, she has a laptop, do we get hte alternative or desktop version?
[08:06] <fisnik> do I need to do something else
[08:06] <fisnik> ?
[08:06] <xerosis> masterk: desktop is what you want
[08:07] <ardchoille> masterk: Personal preference. The desktop cd is a livecd and the alternate is a text-based installer only.
[08:07] <masterk> oh ok
[08:07] <masterk> thx
[08:07] <christel-5> jhutchins: I'm restarting everything and will try ctrl+alt+F1. What should I expect?
[08:07] <fisnik> xerosis: I have followed the steps after the command you gave
[08:07] <xerosis> you need to restart X
[08:08] <fisnik> xerosis: pardon my igonrance, but how do I do that?
[08:08] <_pedro> is that to me xerosis?
[08:08] <ardchoille> fisnik: ctrl+alt+backspace  (be aware that that will restart x, and kill kde)
[08:08] <fisnik> ok I will do it
[08:08] <_pedro> I see it didn't
[08:09] <kdehl> Are there any diagnose tools for Samsung printers like hp-tools for HP printers? I just want to see how much it is left in the toner.
[08:10] <fisnik> I have done ctrl+alt+backspace
[08:10] <fisnik> nothing happened
[08:10] <fisnik> I see the same resolution
[08:10] <fisnik> :S
[08:10] <ardchoille> fisnik: Did you try changing resolutions?
[08:10] <alien__> i need to access an openbsd filesystem, does this mean a recompile?
[08:10] <fisnik> ardchoille: yes I did
[08:11] <ardchoille> !fixres | fisnik have a look at this page
[08:11] <ubotu> fisnik have a look at this page: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:11] <alien__> !ffs
[08:11] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[08:11] <alien__> lmao
[08:11] <fisnik> I will try thanx
[08:11] <alien__> ffs is a filesystem
[08:12] <pjb__> hi
[08:12] <_pedro> Please, some help
[08:12] <_pedro> (:
[08:13] <ardchoille> alien__: Let them know in #ubuntu-bots
[08:13] <alien__> ardchoille: why would i need to do that?
[08:14] <alien__> hows about i just recompile the kernel with less crap support and more good open support
[08:14] <alien__> much easier than moaning
[08:14] <alien__> lata
[08:14] <fisnik> ardchoille: I have followed the page you sent
[08:14] <fisnik> but I encountered problems
[08:16] <Kr4t05> Does anyone know how I could get a screenshot of KDM.
[08:17] <fisnik> ardchoille: Can you help me with ATI resolution
[08:22] <christel-5> jhutchins: okaaay... so I tried every command on the beryl & ubuntu sites. Nothing worked. Eventually I listed the processes running and use kill to disable beryl and beryl manager.
[08:25] <christel-5> now the keyboard doesn't work! and the windows have no border, though I think that's got to do with  of emarald. The keyboard issue is quite strange.
[08:25] <BluesKaj> christel-5, just do the  'sudo aptitude remove beryl ' cmnd . if you want to get rid of it for good
[08:26] <BluesKaj> then relogin
[08:27] <christel-5> bluesKaj; yes I think I want to remove it for good. But can't do anything without the keyboard!!  I restarted everything. to redo the whole kill rpocess and see if by mistake I killed the keyboard. Now I don't even have access to alt+ctrl+f1
[08:31] <christel-5> restarting.
[08:31] <BluesKaj> the only thing to do is power off
[08:32] <christel-5> i did power off. now kubuntu is loadding...
[08:33] <christel-5> login menu. should I start a normal session or a failsafe?
[08:33] <BluesKaj> ok , look in the login menu an see what's listed there
[08:34] <BluesKaj> normal should be ok
[08:34] <fatejudger> does anyone know how to disable the madwifi drivers which are current latching onto my card so that I can use ndiswrapper?
[08:34] <fatejudger> I already tried blacklisting bcm43xx, but that didn't work
[08:35] <christel-5> going for kde normal session
[08:35] <BluesKaj> christel-5, right
[08:35] <christel-5> brief appeareance of beloved desktop
[08:35] <christel-5> white screen of death!!!!
[08:37] <BluesKaj> ok, now can relogin with ctrl+alt+backspace , and choose failsafe
[08:37] <louis_> hey guys
[08:37] <G3NESIS> Can someone please tell me where can I go to get support for Beryl?
[08:38] <BluesKaj> gawd , what this obsession for eyecandy ... search here:
[08:38] <christel-5> ok. now i'm in failsafe with the dreaded scary console...
[08:38] <BluesKaj> !beryl
[08:38] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[08:38] <louis_> anybody know if xgl works with fluxbox?
[08:39] <G3NESIS> Thanks Blueskaj.
[08:39] <BluesKaj> KB working , christel-5 ?
[08:39] <christel-5> yeap kb working.
[08:39] <christel-5> call me chris
[08:40] <BluesKaj> christel-5,    'sudo aptitude remove beryl '
[08:40] <christel-5> typing
[08:40] <BluesKaj> it's better to use your nick so it shows up in red
[08:41] <BluesKaj> at least it's supposed to :)
[08:41] <christel-5> saying yes to removing
[08:41] <christel-5> back to the prompt
[08:42] <BluesKaj> ok, then do the relogin thing again in normal session, after it's done
[08:42] <fisnik> can somebody show me on how to increase the screen resolution, I only see 60Hz
[08:42] <fisnik> I have ATI card
[08:43] <christel-5> re-logging in normal session
[08:43] <christel-5> white screen of death!!
[08:43] <christel-5> maybe I should remove beryl-manager as well?
[08:44] <ardchoille> fisnik: To answer your last question to me, I have never used ATI so I can't help, sorry.
[08:44] <BluesKaj> fisnik, in the run command type 'kdesu kcontrol' , the enter your password (gives admin permissions) then choose, monitor & display ... look for your grphics card in hardware and configure and apply
[08:44] <fisnik> BluesKaj: let me try it
[08:45] <BluesKaj> yup, christel-5
[08:45] <BluesKaj> anythin beryl
[08:45] <christel-5> ok... going back to failsafe and removing beryl-manager
[08:46] <fisnik> BluesKaj: I have done that already
[08:46] <fisnik> but my max resolution is 60hz
[08:46] <fisnik> I need higher
[08:47] <fisnik> BluesKaj: the konsole before openin the window reports many failures such as bad device
[08:47] <BluesKaj> christel-5, you may have to do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  in the terminal to get a properly working graphics driver ...choose fglrx in the list
[08:48] <christel-5> relogged in in normal session... white screen of death! will try to restart instead of re-logging in.
[08:48] <BluesKaj> ignore the bad device fisnik, that's anormal message
[08:49] <BluesKaj> fisnik, don't use the konsole for the commands i gave you , use the run command in the K-menu
[08:51] <pvandewyngaerde> how do i get my 1440x900 @75 Hz ?? i only get it at 60 Hz
[08:51] <loner> desktop freezes after sometime
[08:51] <loner> wats the prob?
[08:52] <christel-5> restarted... still white screen of death in normal session. going back to failsafe to remove the beryl autostart...
[08:52] <dromer> hmm, somehow my Xorg is taking 40% cpu, and I have no idea why ..
[08:52] <fisnik> blueskay: can I use the command sudo dpkg-reconfigure
[08:52] <fisnik> from the run
[08:53] <BluesKaj> no fisnik , it's better to use that in the terminal
[08:54] <christel-5> relogging in... brief appearance of desktop... white screen of death!
[08:55] <loner> pc freezes
[08:55] <loner> any solutions?
[08:56] <fisnik> blueskay: when I typed sudo dpkg-reconf....
[08:56] <BluesKaj> christel-5, you may have to do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  in the terminal to get a properly working graphics driver ...choose fglrx in the list
[08:56] <fisnik> It promts me for some keyboar
[08:56] <fisnik> I dont understand
[08:59] <Karti> loner: I have the same problem...........I need to reboot
[08:59] <Karti> but it only happens when I leave it for sometime
[09:00] <hakaisou> question:  what package would contain mscorelib?
[09:00] <christel-5> doing the reconfigure thingie, since removing the autostart line did not work
[09:00] <hakaisou> question:  what package would contain mscorelib.dll?
[09:04] <BluesKaj> hakaisou, no dll files in linux , that's a windows registry file
[09:04] <hakaisou> bah...
[09:04] <hakaisou> gonna have to do it the hard way then
[09:04] <Karti> dll - library files for WIndows, can contain all sorts...images forms etc
[09:04] <BluesKaj> what are you trying , hakaisou?
[09:05] <hakaisou> visual basic via mono
[09:05] <iarwain_> hiya, anyone know how i can stop my laptop from overheating itself? it gets to 60 withouth starting the fans..
[09:05] <BluesKaj> make sure you have some air circulation under the laptop
[09:06] <Karti> hakaisou: Have a look at http://www.nabble.com/Problem-with-mscorlib.dll-t162730.html
[09:06] <Karti> it may help
[09:10] <iarwain_> hiya, anyone know how i can stop my laptop from overheating itself? it gets to 60 withouth starting the fans..
[09:10] <christel-5> I'm back, having finished the reconfig.
[09:11] <christel-5> restarting from power off
[09:11] <Corey8067> Hey Everyone.. i have a problem... i cant use linux.. i had it on dual boot and it just dissappeard
[09:11] <christel-5> looks like I screwed up my screen!!
[09:14] <christel-5> kubuntu loading
[09:14] <christel-5> loading
[09:14] <christel-5> loading
[09:15] <christel-5> ... sigh... black screen with a blinking prompt...
[09:17] <christel-5> I give up. going to reinstall the whole think tomorrow. I'll work old on this comp tonight for the emergency and will reinstall everything on the powerful one tomorrow or next weekend.
[09:18] <christel-5> BluesKaj: Thanks for trying...
[09:18] <Corey8067> Hey everyone.. i cannot access linux anymore.. the boot thing has disappeared
[09:18] <Corey8067> can anyone help
[09:18] <BluesKaj> christel-5, which graphics driver did you chhose ?
[09:18] <sfire> Corey8067: did you change the drives around?
[09:19] <Corey8067> sfire: no i reinstalled Windows
[09:19] <sfire> Corey8067: example... changing master/slave settings or the IDE chain they are plugged into?
[09:19] <christel-5> ati, since fglrx was not in the list.
[09:19] <sfire> Corey8067: you will have to re-install grub in the boot sector... I don't happen to know how.. sorry
[09:20] <Corey8067> sfire: thanks anyway
[09:20] <BluesKaj> christel-5, , try to get back to the prompt when it's loading by ctrl+alt+F1 and run the reconfig xserver again , this time choose the vesa driver
[09:22] <Corey8067> Does anyone know how to Reinstall Grub??
[09:22] <BluesKaj> christel-5, and 'sudo apt-get install irssi '  so we can talk on irc from the terminal if need be
[09:23] <christel-5> BluesKaj: you love challenges! ok, restarting the machine, just to please you.
[09:23] <BluesKaj>  hehe :)
[09:24] <christel-5> ok. restarted. stupid pro;pt blinking. running the xserver-config thingie
[09:24] <BluesKaj> no t to please me , it's happened to me too and i know some work arounds , that's all ...hate to see a perfectly good kubuntu install be ruined by eye candy
[09:25] <christel-5> attempt to autodetect video hardware? hell yes!
[09:25] <cotyrothery> can someone help me with getting wow to work
[09:25] <christel-5> X server driver? vesa is here, choosing vesa
[09:26] <Drblood> wat u type in the terminal to make sound higher
[09:26] <BluesKaj> choose vesa, christel-5 , it's generic but it'll get you running again
[09:26] <christel-5> identifier for you useless videocard: ATI bla bla
[09:26] <cotyrothery> admiral_chicago how do i get world of warcraft to work
[09:27] <Admiral_Chicago> !wow
[09:27] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[09:27] <Drblood> wat do u type in to make sound louder
[09:27] <Admiral_Chicago> those links should help
[09:27] <Drblood> on the terminal
[09:27] <fisnik> can anybody help me increase resolution and refresh rate for ATI card
[09:27] <cotyrothery> admiral_chicago: thanks
[09:27] <Drblood> wat do u type in on the terminal to make sound louder >_>
[09:28] <christel-5> busId of the video card? no clue, it says PCI:1:0:0... I guess that's correct?
[09:28] <BluesKaj> fisnik , you have to find your card in the the list and configure it in order to do so
[09:28] <Admiral_Chicago> christel-5: try  alsamixer
[09:28] <Drblood> ok
[09:28] <Admiral_Chicago> you would use the arrow keys to raise volume
[09:28] <BluesKaj> yeah , just take the defaults , christel-5
[09:29] <christel-5> thanks. carrying on...
[09:29] <fisnik> Blueskay where to find it? can please help me
[09:29] <christel-5> memory for the video card? if I remember well, it was 256. entering 256.
[09:29] <ahsyamim> hello
[09:30] <ahsyamim> can i ask something bout kubuntu?
[09:30] <fisnik> Blueskay where to find it? can u please help me
[09:30] <christel-5> wow! had not realised it's in kB not megs.
[09:31] <Admiral_Chicago> !ask | ahsyamim
[09:31] <ubotu> ahsyamim: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:31] <BluesKaj> fisnik, system settings/ monitor & display/ admin mode / hardware/graphics card configure ...find your card in the list / apply ... then reset the reolution slider
[09:32] <christel-5> use kernel framebuffer device interface? no clue. No is highlighted, but I'll choose yes.
[09:32] <BluesKaj> not always necessary
[09:32] <fisnik> BluesKaj: THe admin mode displays nothing but a red rectangle
[09:32] <ahsyamim> how to install ATI Display driver?
[09:32] <Admiral_Chicago> !ati
[09:32] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:33] <ahsyamim> how to know if that its already istall
[09:33] <BluesKaj> doesn't ask for your password, fisnik?
[09:33] <fisnik> bluekay: nope
[09:34] <fisnik> BluesKay: Nope it doesn't and when I click admin mode it only shows a red rectangle, and nothing else in it
[09:34] <claudio_> salve a tutti
[09:34] <BluesKaj> fisnik , in the terminal : dpkg --configure -a
[09:35] <BluesKaj> then reboot or relogin
[09:35] <claudio_> dove posso trovare la lista di altri server?
[09:35] <BluesKaj> !it | claudio_
[09:35] <ubotu> claudio_: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[09:35] <fisnik> BluesKaj: I did it
[09:35] <fisnik> BluesKaj: and now
[09:35] <fisnik> ?
[09:36] <BluesKaj> fisnik, system settings/ monitor & display/ admin mode / hardware/graphics card configure ...find your card in the list / apply ... then reset the reolution slider
[09:36] <BluesKaj> err resolution
[09:38] <premier_> hello, I'm having an issue with alsa, but I don't know how to diagnose it and I don't have much information
[09:38] <christel-5> Blueskaj: finished reconfig. startx.
[09:38] <premier_> basically, it stopped working when i booted last
[09:39] <christel-5> white screen of death!!!
[09:39] <BluesKaj> christel-5, ok relogin in failsafe mode , and use synaptic to remove beryl manager
[09:40] <BluesKaj> or adept
[09:42] <jorik808> how do i stop postgresql from automatically starting up at boot ?
[09:45] <fisnik> BluesKay I finally managed to change the resolution
[09:45] <BluesKaj> oops sorry christel-5, 'sudo apt-get remove berylmanager'
[09:45] <fisnik> thank you very much indeed
[09:45] <BluesKaj> fisnik, :)
[09:46] <fisnik> Blueskay: Now it is working really well, I've been here for more tha 2 hours just trying to fix the damn thing
[09:46] <BluesKaj> you found your graphics card ok then
[09:46] <fisnik> blueskay: thanx again
[09:46] <BluesKaj> np fisnik
[09:48] <sebastianhooker> ;)
[09:48] <jhutchins> fisnik: All it takes is persistence and the time for somebody to come along who knows your particular problem.
[09:49] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: Didn't you used to be quite the noob a while ago?
[09:49] <BluesKaj> still am , just wrote few things down , jhutchins
[09:49] <jhutchins> See?
[09:50] <christel-5> BlueSkaj: busy removing everything beryl. could be a while since I do it one package at a time. wb btw, was in mourning for a while
[09:50] <fisnik> jhutchins: this ATI was driving me mad today
[09:50] <DaSkreech> hi BluesKaj
[09:50] <jhutchins> That's how it goes, you think you're the newbie, then you start to realize you're getting to have the hang of it, then you realize you're answering more questions than you ask.
[09:50] <BluesKaj> i have text file with commands for problems that i've encountered :)
[09:50] <jhutchins> Schmart buoy.
[09:51] <BluesKaj> yup,,,well I'm an old techie actually jhutchins ...retired labtech guy
[09:52] <jhutchins> Us old guys learn tricks like taking notes.
[09:52] <BluesKaj> hi DaSkreech ...how goes it ?
[09:52] <BluesKaj> yup, gotta take notes ...got into the habit yrs ago
[09:52] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: Not too bad how are you?
[09:53] <BluesKaj> good thx , DaSkreech
[09:55] <BluesKaj> christel-5, i tried the failsafe mode and realized it's the prompt so apt was the only alternative to remove the offending apps :)
[09:55] <christel-5> BlueSkaj: okaaay. There shouldn't be a shred of beryl left, I used the aptitude comd. Don't even want to think about compiz. shall I try reloging now?
[09:56] <BluesKaj> beryl should be banned on ati cards ...it doesn more damage than good :)
[09:56] <BluesKaj> did you do compiz too ?
[09:56] <mattsqz> ati needs to get on the ball
[09:56] <mattsqz> 1250 in 3dmark for hd2400 vs 1600 in 3dmark for nvidia 8400 :(
[09:57] <BluesKaj> dump compiz if possible , never done it so maybe one of the other guys can help here
[09:57] <mattsqz> they better have some bitchin multiplatform drivers hidden in their pants
[09:57] <christel-5> yeap. that's what all the sites said. but a lionux user has 200% curiosity more than the average human...it's the wet paint syndrom: a normal person when it says wet paint will stay away. a linux user has to poke to see if it's reaaaaally wet...
[09:57] <keldon85> finally a kubuntu build that installed without ANY hiccups!
[09:58] <BluesKaj> christel-5, well try a relogin ...i guess ..if compiz is till lingering dunno what may happen
[10:00] <christel-5> won't try to remove compiz: apt-get is aking if I really want to remove the ubuntu-desktop... answer is no, thanks.
[10:00] <christel-5> relogging in
[10:01] <christel-5> choosing normal kde session
[10:01] <christel-5> loading
[10:01] <christel-5> so far so good
[10:01] <christel-5> Qapla'
[10:02] <BluesKaj> ?
[10:02] <ahsyamim> !ASK how to enable rendering???
[10:02] <ahsyamim> !ASK how to enable rendering???
[10:02] <christel-5> Beloved desktop is here and stable. Oh joy! oh rapture! I don't even dare testing the kb or mouse... shall I? yes!
[10:03] <christel-5> mouse working
[10:03] <christel-5> keyboard working
[10:03] <ahsyamim> -------------- how to enable rendering???
[10:03] <dwidmann> mattsqz: actually, AMD needs to get on that ball, seeing as they bought ATI.
[10:03] <Daisuke_Ido> ahsyamim: define rendering
[10:04] <christel-5> blueskaj, when you're next in south africa we'll go see the lions and gireffe. it's on me! alternatively: will you marry me?
[10:04] <Daisuke_Ido> i could say to install blender and that will let you render, but if that's not the type of rendering you're talking about, it's not very helpful
[10:04] <BluesKaj> christel-5, not necessary, just glad to help :)
[10:05] <BluesKaj> ok folks ..gotta go do some errands ... BBL
[10:05] <javier> Hello
[10:05] <christel-5> well, I'm forever grateful.
[10:05] <ahsyamim> TRIED TO PLAY BOSON
[10:05] <ahsyamim> BUT TO LAG
[10:06] <chloris> Hello, may I ask a question? How can I remove a single-pixel border around the kicker? I set a kicker background to dark-blue texture and one-pixel line is above the kicker. The kicker has also one-pixel bigger height than set... Anybody ?
[10:06] <ahsyamim> ITS SAID THAT RENDERING IS DISABLE
[10:06] <javier> Guys I need some hellp please
[10:07] <dwidmann> !ask | javier
[10:07] <ubotu> javier: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[10:08] <javier> I cant modify some documents, I'm new yo linux
[10:08] <Admiral_Chicago> ahsyamim: stop using caps. we can read lower case as well
[10:08] <javier> I was told to log as root in console, but even if i'm logged in as root in console it doesent works
[10:08] <Daisuke_Ido> ahsyamim: please turn off caps.  It is not, contrary to popular belief, "cruise control for cool."
[10:08] <Admiral_Chicago> javier: sudo
[10:08] <DaSkreech> christel-5: and if they can get the recipe for the paint so they can add gentoo penguin orange
[10:09] <ahsyamim> sorry
[10:09] <christel-5> soooo right! lol
[10:09] <Admiral_Chicago> ahsyamim: you proably need the ATI driver, did you enable it and restart X?
[10:09] <javier> sudo kedit /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common    NOT WORKS
[10:09] <Daisuke_Ido> but it sounds like you need the 3d drivers
[10:09] <Daisuke_Ido> and Admiral_Chicago beat me to it
[10:10] <Daisuke_Ido> javier: try kate instead
[10:10] <Daisuke_Ido> instead of kedit
[10:10] <Admiral_Chicago> javier: in run command?
[10:10] <javier> In console
[10:10] <Admiral_Chicago> kdesu kate <filename>
[10:10] <DaSkreech> ahsyamim: What video card do you have?
[10:11] <javier> I tried doing it by just looking the file and opening, but it says i cant modify the file
[10:11] <javier> ATI x800gto
[10:11] <Daisuke_Ido> javier: hence sudo/kdesu/etc
[10:11] <chloris> nobody has not a dark texture on background of kicker?
[10:11] <Daisuke_Ido> run as superuser
[10:11] <javier> with su?
[10:11] <Kr4t05> Is there a simple and easy way to get a screenshot of KDM?
[10:11] <keldon85> !tell java
[10:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about  tell java - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:12] <keldon85> !java
[10:12] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[10:12] <dwidmann> chloris: well, I don't ... I've always gone the transparency route
[10:12] <Daisuke_Ido> javier: have you been reading ANYTHING anyone's said?
[10:12] <Admiral_Chicago> Kr4t05: Virtualization
[10:12] <javier> I was told to log with "su" as a superuser, butit still doednt works
[10:12] <Daisuke_Ido> kdesu kate /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common
[10:12] <Kr4t05> Admiral_Chicago: Eh...
[10:12] <Kr4t05> That's a helluva lot of work for one screenshot...
[10:12] <chloris> chloris: yes, when i set bg of kicker to transparent the border is gone
[10:13] <Admiral_Chicago> Kr4t05: works easily and quickly for me once I had Vbox running
[10:13] <DaSkreech> javier: what is that file for?
[10:13] <chloris> dwidmann: yes, when i set bg of kicker to transparent the border is gone
[10:13] <chloris> :-)
[10:13] <Kr4t05> Admiral_Chicago: Pardon?
[10:13] <dwidmann> that got rid of it? Neat
[10:14] <javier> to deactivate fglrx
[10:14] <ahsyamim> DaSkreech: i hav ATI Radeon X1600 or X1300
[10:14] <DaSkreech> !ati | ahsyamim
[10:14] <ubotu> ahsyamim: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:15] <chloris> yes
[10:16] <Kr4t05> Admiral_Chicago: I'm merely looking to get a screenshot of a custom KDM theme so I can add it to KDE-Look.
[10:16] <Kr4t05> There has to be an easier way than setting up a VM.
[10:16] <nixternal> Kr4t05: if you want, I can grab a screeny for you if you don't feel like setting up vmware or vbox
[10:17] <Kr4t05> nixternal: How?
[10:17] <nixternal> I don't know if you can set imagemagick and import to get a screeny
[10:17] <nixternal> I use vbox
[10:17] <nixternal> you might be able to set imagemagic up to import an image. say sleep 30 and then run it
[10:17] <dwidmann> vmware-server was also dirt easy to set-up in feisty ... it's in the canonical commercial repository
[10:17] <nixternal> so when you get to kdm, ctrl+alt+f1 to get tot he term
[10:18] <nixternal> sleep 30; import foo &
[10:18] <nixternal> that might work, but I just don't know
[10:18] <Kr4t05> nixternal: I'll try it. Thanks
[10:19] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: i though you were talking to me about KDE 4 ... though we were in -chicago so I was thinking we were telling me all these weird commands...
[10:20] <nixternal> shoooo fly
[10:22] <fisnik> can someone help me with AMSN on kubuntu
[10:22] <fisnik> I see very bad window - blurred and small fonts
[10:24] <Karti> Kr4t05: Why not just use Ksnapshot
[10:24] <Karti> Its under the Graphics enu
[10:24] <fisnik> can someone help me with AMSN on kubuntu??
[10:25] <fisnik> it pops up very wierd
[10:25] <Daisuke_Ido> Karti: because ksnapshot isn't going to get a screenshot of kdm?
[10:26] <Karti> what do you mean?
[10:27] <Karti> what do you want to screenshot?
[10:27] <jthomas> fisnik: i cannot help, never tried it; but Kopete works well and its KDE-native
[10:27] <Kr4t05> Karti: KDM, The login screen.
[10:27] <Kr4t05> Ugh...
[10:27] <Karti> Ahh....
[10:27] <Karti> I see
[10:28] <Karti> With my knowledge (limited) I would only do that in VMWare unless you can record the screen and do a test with the startup screen
[10:28] <fisnik> ok
[10:28] <Karti> and capture remove the image you want
[10:34] <Drblood> how do u turn up the system volume again on the terminal >_>
[10:36] <Drblood> hello?
[10:36] <Daisuke_Ido> alsamixer
[10:38] <eriefisher> not much going on here today?
[10:38] <Drblood> ok
[10:46] <rodrigo> what's up guys
[10:47] <rodrigo> any one can give some info about acteck graphic tablets and ubuntu?
[10:47] <rodrigo> more precisally drivers of this hardware
[10:48] <payam> is there som program for Freecalls?
[10:53] <nullkuhl> guys  i have 2 question ,, how to send a file using blue tooth in gnome,, and how to change the booting splash of ubuntu using usplash
[10:57] <Daisuke_Ido> 1) bih, and 2) gfy
[10:58] <rodrigo> drigo> hello guys does any one of you knows the acteck graphic tablets?
[10:58] <rodrigo> [15:54]  <rodrigo> I don't know if kubuntu have drivers that support them
[11:05] <M3L> Hey, quick question if someone has time to answer... I have two sound cards of which on eis external Hercules Dj Console and I would like to set it to be the default, where can I do this ?
[11:19] <mitch_> hey, can someone tell me where the IP configuration happens in the Wireless Sign on process?
[11:20] <adaptr> it doesn't
[11:20] <adaptr> wifi is the "physical" layer below IP
[11:23] <savetheWorld> mitch_:  are you referring to DHCP where a wireless client needs to hav an IP assigned?
[11:24] <mitch_> so what would make my IP configuration happen in 2.6.20-15 and not happen under 2.6.20-16?
[11:24] <mitch_> yes savethe World
[11:25] <mitch_> everything works fine in 20-15.....but i don;t get IP assigned in 2-16
[11:26] <mitch_> theres gotta be something 20-16 changed that i should be able to determine and correct
[11:28] <corpuscallosum> hi guys
[11:28] <corpuscallosum> i need a program that i controll my cpu and my cpu fan
[11:28] <corpuscallosum> is there any programme ?
[11:30] <mitch_> no one has any ideas what it could be?
[11:31] <gon> !wmv
[11:31] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:33] <mitch_> anyone?
[11:33] <damianos_> hi
[11:33] <damianos_> Could somebody help me
[11:34] <Dr_willis> depends on the problem. :)
[11:34] <damianos_> I am trying to find solution to make a video conference with my wife ...She's got windows xp and I have ofcurse kubuntu
[11:34] <damianos_> I tried amsn
[11:34] <damianos_> twinkle
[11:34] <damianos_> kopete
[11:35] <Dr_willis> I though GAIm (now called somthing else can do that)
[11:35] <mitch_> Could somebody help me?
[11:35] <Dr_willis> !gaim
[11:35] <damianos_> Gaim - you mean that it is possible to see her and hear her ?
[11:35] <ubotu> Instant Messenger Clients: Gaim (GNOME, http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Kopete (KDE), both supporting MSN, Jabber, AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ and IRC.
[11:35] <Dr_willis> I though that was a new feature of Gaim.  but ive never used it.
[11:35] <damianos_> kopete doesn't work properly
[11:36] <Dr_willis> I consider the webcam video chat stuff useless.. since the video is so well.. useless. :)
[11:36] <damianos_> I can only see her without voice chat
[11:36] <keldon85> !kmenu
[11:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kmenu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:36] <keldon85> !menu
[11:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about menu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:36] <damianos_> Notice that I wrote that I would like to videoconference not webcam
[11:36] <lupon1> Salve a tutti !!!
[11:36] <keldon85> how do you make the kde menu update properly after installs?
[11:37] <Dr_willis> keldon85,  in most cases it should. If it dosent. ya can try logging out/back in to make it rescan the menus
[11:37] <damianos_> Dr_willis: I agree webcam is useless but i didn't see my wife for a month :|
[11:37] <Dr_willis> there may be some other kick-ig-in-the-head-way
[11:37] <mitch_> do i smell bad or something>
[11:37] <mitch_> ?
[11:38] <Dr_willis> damianos_,  use webcam to see her.. and text chat? or use some other progrma to voice chat :) is one way I guess
[11:38] <keldon85> Dr_willis: yes, but there is also a way to do it via the command line without logging out
[11:38] <damianos_> I tried it
[11:38] <Dr_willis> keldon85,   people in #kde may rember. I dont.
[11:38] <damianos_> Webcam and skype but there is something wrong with voice connection
[11:39] <damianos_> so that is way i am trying to find two in one program
[11:39] <damianos_> voice and video
[11:39] <damianos_> What I shame that Skype cannot release video for linux
[11:39] <rodrigo> hello guys
[11:40] <keldon85> oh wait it didn't install; I had a failed apt update!
[11:41] <damianos_> does anybody know some solution to videoconference in linux ?
[11:41] <damianos_> I mean voice and video together ?
[11:42] <mitch_> this is probably why people keep windows....
[11:43] <damianos_> Hmm.. I have to install windows
[11:44] <Armahg> Hello, I have Kubuntu installed on my gateway laptop and would like to partition it so I can have a dual boot machine with windows...  I know I can use qtparted for the partitioning and install windows on the new partition
[11:44] <Armahg> Is there anything else i should watch out for? (installing windows XP by the way)
[11:45] <Dr_willis> installing xp will trash the linux grub boot loader.
[11:45] <Dr_willis> you will need to reinstall the grub mbr under linux afterwards
[11:46] <Armahg> ummm ... is there a website with instructions for that? or do i just boot from a live CD and do the install
[11:46] <Dr_willis> !grub
[11:46] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[11:46] <Armahg> thx!!
[11:46] <Dr_willis> boot live cd, chroot over to existing install, run grub-install
[11:46] <Armahg> ok .. will do
[11:49] <corpuscallosum> hi guys i need a program that i control my cpu speed and fan
[11:49] <corpuscallosum> have any idea ?
[11:51] <TheGateKeeper> Armahg: another possibility run windows as a virtual machine http://www.virtualbox.org/
[11:51] <Dr_willis> Hmm. On my laptop - there was some kdeapplet in installed that did the cpu throtteling
[11:51] <Dr_willis> no idea about fan speed.
[11:51] <Armahg> i already do that
[11:51] <ubuntu> gentlemens!
[11:51] <Dr_willis> Where?
[11:51] <inbitado34> hi, how do i conect to undernet with kinversation ???
[11:51] <Dr_willis> :)
[11:52] <Armahg> actually come to think of it ... a friend of mine also mentioned wine
[11:52] <Armahg> so meaybe i don't need windows ...
[11:52] <Dr_willis>  - undernet irc server? could use the command /server whateverundernetis.org
[11:52] <premier_> Hi, I'm having trouble with alsa... it just stopped working last night after I rebooted... I had been messing with alsa earlier, and now I can't fix it
[11:52] <Armahg> i think its because i miss virus attacks
[11:52] <Armahg> or something along those lines
[11:52] <premier_> http://pastebin.ca/559748
[11:52] <Dr_willis> or there may be some undernet servers set up in the server dialog/connection area.
[11:52] <ubuntu> i have a need to run fsck on a reiserfs volume and I'm currently booted to my live cd and my filesystem i need to run fsck on is /dev/sdb3 the correct command in terminal would be reiserfsck --check /dev/sdb3 ?
[11:53] <premier_> heret|c: if no one knows, see what man reiserfsck says
[11:54] <ubuntu> ok
[11:54] <HymnToLife> ubuntu, yet, you can also run fsck /dev/sdb3, it will detect that it's reiserfs and call reiserfsck
[11:54] <ubuntu> but thats not me..
[11:54] <heret|c> premier_: i never asked about reiserfs
[11:54] <premier_> lol
[11:54] <HymnToLife> yes*
[11:54] <Dr_willis> ive never used reiserfs
[11:54] <premier_> ubuntu_ is now known as heret|c.
[11:54] <premier_> my mistake
[11:54] <Karti> Kr4t05: sorry about this but you can use kscreenshot. It has a timer delay. Itried it with the splash screen and it works
[11:54] <ubuntu> thanks premier_
[11:54] <heret|c> i'm a slackware guy. just wanted to see what allt he ubuntu fuss was about
[11:55] <Dr_willis> Usage: reiserfsck [mode]  [options]   device
[11:55] <Graham> I just introduced my mother to kubuntu
[11:56] <premier_> heret|c: well, idk, I've only used kubuntu and mepis... but I don't think I could operate a computer without apt.  I'm useless at resolving dependencys or compiling tarballs... I'd rather have my OS work *for* me
[11:56] <neptunepink> does anyone here know how to make [gx] dm execute a particular script when you login?
[11:56] <HymnToLife> (mostly because I also run it on mine and it's nice for ditributed compiling :p)
[11:56] <Dr_willis> neptunepink,  that would proberly be more of a feature of the window manager you are loading, not gdm
[11:56] <Graham> But that's the ease of Kubuntu, I just told her what the programs were for, and she seems fairly happy with it.
[11:56] <neptunepink> Dr_willis: I want it to run a script _instead of_ a wm
[11:57] <Dr_willis> or ya could always do some changes to the system X startup scripts
[11:57] <Daisuke_Ido> Dr_willis: wouldn't it be possible to add it to the startup script?
[11:57] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah, that.
[11:57] <Dr_willis> neptunepink,  make a .desktop script for that script then and have GDM  load it.
[11:57] <Daisuke_Ido> :D
[11:57] <Dr_willis> depends on EXACTLY what you are trying to do.
[11:57] <Graham> Anybody here get their parents on Linux?
[11:57] <HymnToLife> yep :p
[11:57] <Karti> Graham: Sorry I got mine on Ebay.....
[11:58] <Daisuke_Ido> Graham: do grandparents count?
[11:58] <neptunepink> Dr_willis: where does the file go?
[12:00] <Dr_willis> neptunepink,  gdm and kdm both read a list of  ####.desktop files - which add entries to their 'sessions' menu
[12:00] <Dr_willis> try a 'locate gnome.desktop' i forget where they are at exactly. the gdm and kdm config files dictate where they look
[12:01] <neptunepink> Dr_willis: that got it, /usr/share/xsessions
[12:01] <heret|c> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount -t smbfs "//the-heretic/My Music" music
[12:01] <heret|c> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //the-heretic/My Music,
[12:01] <heret|c>        missing codepage or other error
[12:02] <Graham> Daisuke_Ido: Yeah, infact you get more points for grandparents because they're even more technically void.
[12:02] <Karti> night all.....
[12:03] <shiers69> I recently have tried to install kubuntu to replace win2k3 on my server, after the installation completes successfully and i attempt to boot from the scsi hd it fails to load the os, it's just a hunch, but i think grub may have been installed on a different drive
[12:03] <shiers69> any ideas?
[12:03] <Dr_willis> neptunepink,  yea i was looking in /etc/ :) heh..
[12:03] <Daisuke_Ido> actually, i think it's the other way around
[12:04] <Daisuke_Ido> grandparents (mine anyway) just check and send mail, and surf the web some.
[12:04] <Dr_willis> shiers69,  if you dont see any grub menu at all.. it proberly got put in the wrong place.
[12:04] <Dr_willis> !grub
[12:04] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[12:04] <Daisuke_Ido> i don't think it would matter what OS they were using
[12:04] <Dr_willis> shiers69,  ya could switch the boot order of the hd's in the bios and see if ya can get it working
[12:05] <shiers69> i could, but i really want grub on the same drive as the os, is there a way to check to see where it installed and uninstall it?
[12:06] <Dr_willis> as far as Uninstalling goes.. you would install a differetn boot loader over it.
[12:06] <Dr_willis> This is when a good reading of the grub homepage/docs comes in handy. :)
[12:07] <shiers69> i also noticed the advanced button during installation, "Help for GRUB selection goes here" and the default is hda0
[12:07] <shiers69> i think it should be set to something else, but don't know what sda corresponds to
[12:09] <Dr_willis> the  /boot/grub/device.map  shows what drives are 'where' from a grub point of view
[12:09] <Dr_willis> !qtwindowmaker
[12:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about qtwindowmaker - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:09] <Marga2002> bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[12:09] <Dr_willis> !qt
[12:09] <ubotu> Qt is the Q toolkit, which forms the base of KDE and is used by many applications to provide a !GUI. Install the libqt3-mt-dev package to compile Qt applications
[12:10] <Marga2002> bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[12:11] <kharloss> hi there.  i want a kde desktop over a fresh server install .  how can i do this ?
[12:12] <Dr_willis> install kubuntu-desktop - and GOOD luck. :0
[12:12] <kharloss> i do this
[12:12] <kharloss> but nothing happened
[12:12] <kharloss> i try startx  too
[12:12] <Dr_willis> seems the last few people ive seen that wanted to go from a server-install to a full desktop. always have little issues.
[12:13] <kharloss> nothing
[12:13] <Dr_willis> you do 'what' ?


[06:14] <didrocks> good morning
[06:46] <duflu> Morning didrocks and oSoMoN
[06:46] <didrocks> hey duflu
[07:00] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[07:00] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[07:00] <oSoMoN> and good morning desktoppers
[07:14] <didrocks> hey oSoMoN
[07:18] <duflu> Hi seb128
[07:18] <seb128> hey duflu & desktopers
[07:18] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[07:18] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, didrocks
[07:18] <seb128> did everyone had a good w.e?
[07:19] <didrocks> salut seb128, ça allait et toi ?
[07:20] <seb128> bon w.e en France, tranquille :)
[07:22] <jibel> hi all
[07:24] <dupondje> oSoMoN: I found some small minor typo in the README.Debian in firefox, I open a bug for this? Or can I just paste it here? :)
[07:25] <didrocks> salut jibel
[07:27] <oSoMoN> dupondje, pasting here is fine, thanks
[07:27] <oSoMoN> salut jibel
[07:27] <dupondje> oSoMoN: $ sudo aparmor_parser -R /etc/apparmor.d/usr.bin.@MOZ_PKG_NAME@
[07:27] <dupondje> its apparmor_parser :)
[07:27] <dupondje> took me at least 30 seconds before I realised why it didn't work lol :D
[07:28] <oSoMoN> dupondje, I'll fix this right away, thanks
[07:28] <oSoMoN> seb128, more or less… house got burgled while we were out for dinner on Saturday, not fun. Rest of the week-end was good though, spent quality time with my daughters yesterday, much needed to get over the hassle.
[07:28] <seb128> oSoMoN, urg, sorry man :(
[07:28] <seb128> that sucks
[07:29] <seb128> did they steal much?
[07:29] <didrocks> argh :/
[07:29] <oSoMoN> not much, luckily they didn't touch my laptop
[07:30] <oSoMoN> it's more the hassle of paperwork with the police and insurance company, and getting the windows fixed now
[07:31] <oSoMoN> and my eldest's trauma, cause they entered the house through her bedroom
[07:31] <seb128> :(((((
[07:31] <didrocks> that's the more annoying part, indeed…
[07:36] <oSoMoN> dupondje, https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox.eoan/revision/1320
[07:36] <oSoMoN> I'll now backport to the branches for other stable releases
[07:37] <dupondje> :) Great, its very minor, but at least its fixed for next releases :)
[07:43] <oSoMoN> yeah, details matter. thanks for reporting it!
[08:02] <Laney> hey
[08:03] <willcooke> hi all
[08:03] <seb128> hey willcooke, Laney
[08:03] <seb128> did you have a good w.e?
[08:03] <willcooke> pretty good thanks
[08:03] <willcooke> how about you seb128?
[08:03] <seb128> w.e in France, good and relaxing
[08:04] <seb128> a bit rainy, but nothing compared to .nl today :(
[08:04] <duflu> Morning Laney and willcooke
[08:05] <oSoMoN> good morning Laney, willcooke
[08:06] <willcooke> I did a news review on Friday from the 19.10 articles:  All good.
[08:06] <willcooke> I'll look again today
[08:09] <didrocks> hey Laney, willcooke
[08:10] <seb128> willcooke, did you find real reviews like ones? all the ones I saw/read were mostly factual/summary of the release notes
[08:11] <seb128> e.g not much opinion from the reviewers/users
[08:12] <willcooke> seb128, I found a few.  Jack Wallen (Tech Radar, or something like that) did a proper review.  But yeah, a lot of them rehased the release notes - and used the screenshots pack that I made, so they all had the same screenshots too.
[08:12] <willcooke> Lazy journalists :)
[08:13] <seb128> :)
[08:14] <Laney> hey seb128 duflu oSoMoN didrocks
[08:14] <Laney> weekend was nice, yeah
[08:14]  * Laney hugs oSoMoN :(
[08:26] <duflu> I feel there should have been some final editing and polish on the release notes, but mostly they're very useful even to us
[08:44] <tjaalton> duflu: about the "HDR" bug.. so am I right that deep colour is first needed before media can show HDR content?
[08:44] <duflu> tjaalton, kind of :)
[08:44] <duflu> tjaalton, most people would want deep colour first, but it's not really a requirement
[08:45] <tjaalton> it's a confusing topic, the intel guy asked me directly by email so I created the bug without knowing much about the topic nor having any (display) hw to support it
[08:45] <tjaalton> actually I have the telly
[08:46] <tjaalton> but aiui it needs hdmi 2.0 / dp 1.4
[08:46] <duflu> tjaalton, maybe less confusing to just say yes it is a requirement. Because the latest HDR standards probably ask for 10-bit as a requirement (checking now)
[08:47] <tjaalton> maybe I should drop the version from the topic
[08:48] <duflu> I think my deep colour monitors are going to die of old age before I see deep colour on them :(
[08:48] <tjaalton> hehe
[08:49] <duflu> Because they're already old
[08:49] <tjaalton> how old?
[08:49] <duflu> Good question
[08:49] <tjaalton> my monitor is at 8y now
[08:49] <tjaalton> and was planning on getting a new one at some point, maybe during the next 6mo
[08:50] <duflu> Several years, but probably not 8
[08:51] <tjaalton> but seems impossible or very expensive to get a model which works for both photo management and games (which I don't play much, but would like to have the potential)
[08:51] <duflu> Yeah, pick one
[08:52] <duflu> but not both
[08:53] <tjaalton> yep, cope with the tearing
[08:53] <tjaalton> at least it'd look good
[08:54] <marcustomlinson> morning desktoppers
[08:54] <marcustomlinson> oSoMoN: ah so sorry! :(
[08:55] <duflu> Morning marcustomlinson
[08:57] <marcustomlinson> hey duflu!
[11:47] <ricotz> kenvandine, hi :), https://gitlab.gnome.org/Community/Ubuntu/gnome-sdk/merge_requests/7
[11:51] <seb128> ricotz, kenvandine, can snapcraft?yaml use variables? it seems suboptimal to have the version coded like that in env tricks, would be easy to overlook changing it
[11:52] <ricotz> seb128, I just followed existing things ;)
[11:52] <seb128> ricotz, right, it was more a question for Ken (or marcustomlinson)
[11:53] <ogra> seb128, you can use snapcraftctl set-version from inside the build steps of a part
[11:53] <ogra> (reading a git tag or Version.h or whatever from a script to hand it to that command)
[11:53] <seb128> ogra, that doesn't really adapted to that case though
[11:54] <ogra> ok
[11:54] <marcustomlinson> seb128: sure could probably use a single environment variable to store the version once
[13:41] <oSoMoN> ricotz, FYI, I created focal branches for firefox, firefox-beta, and thunderbird
[13:42] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers!
[13:42] <marcustomlinson> hellsworth: morning
[13:42] <oSoMoN> good morning hellsworth
[13:42] <didrocks> hey hellsworth
[13:42] <marcustomlinson> hellsworth: could you review this: https://gitlab.gnome.org/Community/Ubuntu/gnome-sdk/merge_requests/7
[13:43] <hellsworth> sure looking at it
[13:43] <marcustomlinson> I suspect you'll need to give the whole thing a rebuild and see if it works
[13:44] <hellsworth> shoot. these changes are already merged in my branch but not in the community oneyet
[13:44] <hellsworth> i was waiting to merge until i had all the things
[13:45] <hellsworth> and i'm stuck on librsvg so marcustomlinson i was going to ask you for your advice there..
[13:45] <marcustomlinson> hellsworth: seb128 brought up a good point too that perhaps we should think of a cleaner way to update versions like that instead of writing '0.46' on 3 different lines. Perhaps a single environment variable per version? Not sure
[13:45] <marcustomlinson> hellsworth: no rush on that, take the time you need
[13:45] <hellsworth> yeah a single env var is better for sure
[13:46] <marcustomlinson> hellsworth: no rush on the MR, no rush on the version number cleanup. You just got in, take it easy :)
[13:47] <hellsworth> it's ok to rush a little tho :)
[13:48] <ricotz> oSoMoN, hi. ack
[13:49] <hellsworth> marcustomlinson, when you have time could you take a look at the librsvg failure? it's still the same as i emailed. it's a rust thing and i think that https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/librsvg/commit/78219898d17440a41d21a206afa5a5d982dcbf9f is the reason for it. i just don't know how to compensate for this architecture change. there is no librsvg.pc file
[15:54] <marcustomlinson> kenvandine: hey, did you see my recent comments on that drawing snap post? https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/drawing-snap-not-working/13669/12?u=marcustomlinson
[15:54] <marcustomlinson> super weird
[15:55] <hellsworth> i read through it and it is weird
[16:02] <hellsworth> going off irc for a bit while i setup weechat because hexchat isn't doing it for me
[16:05] <kenvandine> marcustomlinson: i did
[16:05] <kenvandine> but the theme changes still only seem to affect snaps using gnome-3-32-1804
[16:06] <marcustomlinson> right
[16:06] <marcustomlinson> I'll carry on with it
[16:06] <kenvandine> thx
[16:49] <kenvandine> marcustomlinson:  my hunch is something to do with librsvg
[16:54] <willcooke> night all
[16:58] <hellsworth> kenvandine: marcustomlinson did i miss something about librsvg while changing irc clients?
[16:58] <hellsworth> btw librsvg is the last bit to be updated in the build snap
[16:59] <hellsworth> so i went ahead and merged the rest of the changes so ew can get it in the snap store
[16:59] <kenvandine> cool
[16:59] <kenvandine> hellsworth: well, there something about a recent change in gtk-common-themes (adwaita and yaru) that is triggering a crash of snaps using gnome-3-32-1804
[16:59] <kenvandine> but we can't reproduce it with gnome-3-28-1804
[17:00] <hellsworth> oh right the drawing snap issue
[17:00] <kenvandine> yeah
[17:00] <kenvandine> marcustomlinson's test snaps are reproducing the same issue
[17:00] <hellsworth> right
[17:04] <marcustomlinson> kenvandine, hellsworth: maybe once we've figured out the librsvg issue in gnome-3-34-1804 we can see if the problem goes away by using the new 3.34 platform
[17:05] <marcustomlinson> if so, we can backport it
[17:05] <hellsworth> that sounds good
[17:05] <marcustomlinson> hellsworth: I'll look at that librsvg thingy tomorrow
[17:06] <hellsworth> i think that https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/librsvg/commit/78219898d17440a41d21a206afa5a5d982dcbf9f is the reason for the 3.34 librsvg build snap failures
[17:06] <hellsworth> is there a way i can use maybe source-commit or something in yaml instead of a git branch/tag?
[17:06] <hellsworth> if so, i could verify my hunch
[17:07] <hellsworth> well let me go ask in #snapcraft..
[18:36] <kenvandine> hellsworth: you could go back to the librsvg-2.44 source branch
[18:36] <kenvandine> that would be before that change
[18:58] <hellsworth> yep. i'm doing a bisect between the two branches to find the commit that breaks the build
[18:59] <hellsworth> kenvandine: what is in the community/ubuntu/gnome-3-34-1804-sdk is all changes except librsvg (so it's still at librsvg-2.44)
[19:00] <hellsworth> I thought finding the librsvg commit that breaks the build snap build would help discover the fix, so that we could potentially go to the newer librsvg-2.46 branch
[19:02] <sarnold> I'm not sure the context, but one potential problem is new versions of librsvg are in rust, and rust targets fewer platforms than ubuntu; it's also possible that librsvg is using new language featuers faster than we can package up the rust toolchain that provides the features
[19:04] <hellsworth> sarnold: the context is that this newer branch of librsvg won't build and fails with a rust failure. the reason could be any of those you mention.
[19:05] <hellsworth> may be that we just hang out on the older librsvg-2.44 branch for a while
[19:07] <sarnold> wow that's a lot of changes :(
[19:10] <hellsworth> 241
[19:11] <hellsworth> i can tell you that at least the first 120 changes don't break it :)
[19:22] <hellsworth> oh my i was wrong about the number of commits
[19:23] <hellsworth> its 1546 :(
[19:30] <kenvandine> I would walk through them like 100 at a time :)
[19:30] <kenvandine> when it breaks, then start narrowing the gap
[19:30] <kenvandine> hellsworth: ^^
[19:31] <hellsworth> yep thanks kenvandine, that's essentially what' i'm doing
[19:31] <kenvandine> good :)
[19:31] <hellsworth> and i have several systems at home doing this to try and speed it up
[19:34] <hellsworth> lunchtime
[19:34] <kenvandine> :)
[19:34] <kenvandine> enjoy
[19:34] <hellsworth> you should not forget lunch too :)
[19:36] <kenvandine> soon :)
[19:36] <kenvandine> like 3 more usn refreshes to test :)
[19:37] <kenvandine> there was quite a list today
[20:31] <infinity> Is the ubuntu-canary image still meant to be a thing in focal?  If not, we should tear it out of cdimage.  If so, you need a package (well, a Packages.gz in an empty archive, at least) in your PPA to stop the build from exploding.