[01:02] <jacobvalentine> Coming from Win to Ubuntu here. Still learning terminal and becoming more dangerous by the moment. Just messed up my audio. Can anyone help me?
[01:07] <jacobvalentine> Don't know all what I need to provide. Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS. X11. PulseAudio. Just want to globally be able to set gate for USB condensor mic. Had it working before. Used PulseEffects. Something I did throughout the day rendered this unusable.
[01:09] <jacobvalentine> Have reinstalled both. Nothing fixed. Googling like crazy but not finding what I need. If someone has better idea how to gate and monitor USB condensor mic I'd greatly appreciate it. Reading into a lot of material but don't want to go to far.
[01:10] <jacobvalentine> Mainly using microphone for phonecalls via TextNow and crappy T-mobile App called Digits. Also use it for Discord
[01:23] <busternube> hello
[01:24] <busternube> looking for help with debian. no answers in that channel yet tho.
[01:24] <nyxyn> What kind of help?
[01:24] <busternube> newbie i net-installed deb 10.8 yesterday
[01:25] <busternube> cant get the onboard radeon gpu drivers to work
[01:25] <magic_ninja> Isn't there a shortcut key to open your CLI in your default text editor? I can't seem to find it
[01:25] <busternube> got amdgpu installed
[01:25] <nyxyn> busternube, not sure about that but maybe someone here can help
[01:26] <nyxyn> magic_ninja, what text editor are you using?
[01:26] <magic_ninja> vim
[01:26] <busternube> but xfce "display" says "default" gpu
[01:26] <magic_ninja> I know there was a ctrl + something key to do it
[01:26] <busternube> with only 720x and 1024x display
[01:26] <nyxyn> magic_ninja, you can try :term
[01:27] <magic_ninja> I want to go the other way
[01:27] <nyxyn> Oh from terminal to text editor?
[01:27] <busternube> installed it behind my KVM switch which blocked monitor modes inquiry or something
[01:27] <magic_ninja> Yea, where you quit and what you typed is your command
[01:27] <magic_ninja> The other day I used it and I forgot what shortcut it is.
[01:28] <busternube> been trying to boot with the kvm removed but it goes blank so only works with kvm and in genric 1024
[01:28] <busternube> AMD760g chipset with onboard radeon gpu
[01:29] <nyxyn> magic_ninja, so basically I write ls in vim line 1 and then some shortcut runs that command in the terminal?
[01:29] <nyxyn> magic_ninja, you can try :!!
[01:30] <magic_ninja> No, it is just a keyboard shortcut from bash. It opens your default text editor, you edit the command, and when you close the text editor, the command is there.  Thanks to you I found out where they are :D
[01:38] <magic_ninja> There are some really handy ones there
[01:38] <magic_ninja> !! is your last used command. So is ctrl+P
[01:39] <magic_ninja> that is a handy one. So if you forget sudo you can do sudo !!
[01:39] <nyxyn> yeah I use that one often
[01:39] <magic_ninja> I've switched over to zsh though for my terminal emulator. It isn't my default shell, though.
[01:39] <magic_ninja> I like zsh's autocomplete and stuff better.
[01:40] <nyxyn> I use zsh as well. Glad to see that the bash shortcuts work there too
[03:58] <bidget> hi everyone. wondering if anyone has a moment to help with an issue I'm having
[04:04] <guiverc> bidget, provide your OS & release details & outline your issue & people will respond as they can (try and keep to a single line, be patient)
[04:07] <bidget> sure. I have a server running Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS. Essentially I am unable to use the sudo command, although logging in is no problem. The problem started out of the blue this morning. I booted into recovery mode and used the root shell to change my password. This worked temporarily, but when I logged in a few hours later the problem was back. Also,
[04:07] <bidget> if I use a different tty, sudo works fine. Not exactly sure how to fix it.
[06:18] <Lostidentity> Hi, anyone available to help me with a self inflicted LVM issue? slowly going insane
[06:42] <Reflex|UORage> <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:47] <TheBigK02> Lostidentity: what exactly is the issue? be as detailed as possible... may be pastebin something to show the problem
[06:49] <Lostidentity> TheBigK02: Okay hold please
[06:58] <Lostidentity> Overview: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DnK9bXrvt7/
[07:05] <TheBigK02> hmm.... so the only thing u did wrong woth trying to mount a vmdk as ext4?
[07:06] <TheBigK02> and then doing a reduce ?
[07:10] <Lostidentity> So the main fuck up I *think* was nuking the original VMDK which contained the /etc/, the other was running the reduce
[07:10] <Lostidentity> lemme check /etc on this host, see if I can recreate LVs
[07:12] <Lostidentity> TheBigK02: Is it worth restoring from BEFORE I ran reduce? I do have that archive available according to vgcfgrestore -l
[07:13] <TheBigK02> Lostidentity: how urgent is it, that u get to ur data. cause it might be worth it to do a dd from that state of drive
[07:13] <TheBigK02> it depends how important that data is to u obviously
[07:14] <TheBigK02> data recovery is always sensible... every change u might do, might cause more trouble
[07:14] <Lostidentity> TheBigK02: I have a dd image, tried to pull the specific files I need using PhotoRec, it doesnt see the end of the zip file and thinks it takes the entire partition
[07:14] <TheBigK02> what is ment with nuking... what exactly did u run
[07:15] <Lostidentity> deleted VMDK from vSphere, rolled Ubtuntu, overwriting VMDK #1 in that diagram
[07:15] <Lostidentity> VMDK #2 is intact
[07:17] <Lostidentity> I've been unclear about the dd image, it is of SDB, the PV (2) that contains the LV (3) that I am trying to pull data from
[07:28] <Rumen> Hello
[07:28] <Rumen> Question: how can I get the HorizSync VertRefresh in Ubuntu 20.04 LTS
[07:28] <TheBigK02> Lostidentity: it doesnt make much sense to me that lv3 is gone when u just did something to lv1 and 2
[07:30] <TheBigK02> Rumen: u mean adjusting the refresh rate of ur monitor be adjusting x11.conf ?
[07:30] <TheBigK02> *by
[07:31] <Rumen> Yep  because I generate new one and I see a lot of things wrong
[07:32] <Rumen> Section "Screen" shows Monitor as "Monitor0" instead of "DVI-0-I"
[07:32] <TheBigK02> what exactly is wrong with ur xorg.conf ... usually u start by Xorg --configure and adjust from there
[07:32] <Lostidentity> TheBigK02: Same, assuming vgreduce --removemissing cl_linux --force borked something?
[07:32] <Lostidentity> gonna try restoring old metadata
[07:33] <Rumen> Sectrion "Monitor" shows HorizSync 28.0 - 33.0 and VertRefresh 43.0 - 72.0 - Not sure that's right
[07:33] <TheBigK02> Lostidentity: good luck
[07:33] <Lostidentity> TheBigK02: Thanks, I wonder if having the LV mounted under / (LV2) would be an issue...
[07:33] <Lostidentity> EXT4 only from here on out hhahaaa.....
[07:34] <TheBigK02> Lostidentity: i wouldnt think that if the initrd is correctly done with a proper boot partition outside of the LVM... thats atleast how i configured LVM in the past. To be honest I did not use LVM for a long time. so i might be rusty :p
[07:35] <Rumen> 3 days fight to fix the resolution because start and wake up with 1600x900 instead of 1920x1080
[07:35] <Rumen> xrandr gives error
[07:35] <Lostidentity> TheBigK02: So there was an LV named BOOT... uh
[07:35] <Lostidentity> that was LV1
[07:35] <Lostidentity> unsure if centos stores initrd outside of that, heading to the docs
[07:35] <Rumen> so I input the values manually
[07:36] <TheBigK02> Lostidentity: initrds are always in /boot ...
[07:36] <Lostidentity> fuck
[07:37] <TheBigK02> Lostidentity: to restore a /boot partition is very easy...
[07:37] <guiverc2> language please Lostidentity
[07:37] <TheBigK02> Lostidentity: or recreate it ...
[07:37] <Lostidentity> guiverc2: sorry!
[07:37] <Lostidentity> TheBigK02: could you elaborate on that please?
[07:38] <Lostidentity> Say I know the exact path of where it was mounted and I dont care about OS data just what is in the mounted folder
[07:38] <TheBigK02> Lostidentity: initrds are always generated on the fly... so u just need to have the root partiton ... and say grub to reinstall and du initrd -u -a or something like that
[07:39] <Lostidentity> TheBigK02: I think I need to read up on initrds
[07:39] <TheBigK02> initramfs are no fancy science...
[07:39] <TheBigK02> its just a mini / filesystem which intializes ur LVM and then does a switchroot
[07:39] <TheBigK02> and then it boots ur system
[07:40] <Lostidentity> TheBigK02: Wait, if I recreate a PV with the UUID its looking for, put a placeholder boot partition on it and recreate folder structure/OS
[07:40] <Lostidentity> think I can reattach/recreate?
[07:40] <TheBigK02> should be possible, yes
[07:41] <Lostidentity> i kinda wanna force meta data back onto VG first
[07:41] <TheBigK02> recreating is probably simpler than trying to recover
[07:41] <Lostidentity> but its failing since it thinks its missing a PV
[07:41] <Lostidentity> can i create a fake block device, assign that UUID then have it restore the archive data to the VG?
[07:42] <TheBigK02> Lostidentity: i would consult documentation about lvm about that.
[07:43] <TheBigK02> I would have to research that as well
[07:43] <Lostidentity> TheBigK02: fair, will do
[07:43] <TheBigK02> Lostidentity: sorry that I cant be more of a help regarding that
[07:43] <Lostidentity> TheBigK02: No sweat, youve been a huge help
[07:43] <Lostidentity> Thank you
[07:44] <TheBigK02> Lostidentity: what i recommend is... dont rush anything... think about what u want to do... Slow is proper and Proper is fast ;)
[07:45] <Lostidentity> TheBigK02: Agreed, sending the VMDK to NAS atm. Its "only" 8TB
[07:46] <TheBigK02> Lostidentity: good idea
[08:03] <Rumen> Anyone can help with xorg.conf?
[08:11] <TheBigK02> Rumen: i Understood that u want to fix resolution issues after resuming from standby
[08:12] <TheBigK02> but other than that its quite unclear what u want...
[08:12] <TheBigK02> what prevents u from fixing ur xorg.conf ...
[08:13] <TheBigK02> and i dont quite understand... is ur monitor not capable of DPMS?
[08:21] <Rumen> Monitor - Philips 237EQPH (DVI-I-0), card - Nvidia Quadro 4000, card driver 390.141
[08:22] <Rumen> After the last regular Ubuntu (20.04 LTS / 64) update the resolution became 1600x900
[08:22] <TheBigK02> i would recommend using nvidia-settings to generate a proper xorg.conf
[08:23] <Rumen> I try to fix it with xrandr to make a --newmode and --addmode
[08:23] <Rumen> Yes I deleted the old xorg.conf and with nvidia-settings made new one
[08:24] <Rumen> but there are no mode, resolutions, monitor etc.
[08:25] <TheBigK02> pastebin ur xorg.conf please
[08:25] <Rumen> I input manually mode but no idea about the monitor
[08:26] <Rumen> Also added manually  Modeline
[08:26] <Rumen> here it is the file https://pastebin.com/QwzqiiNn
[08:27] <TheBigK02> im confused... according to a website ur monitor has hdmi and VGA... but no dvi ?!
[08:28] <Rumen> but not sure about:     Identifier     "Screen0",  Device  "Device0" and  Monitor  "Monitor0"
[08:28] <Rumen> No DVI - Yes only VGA and HDMI
[08:28] <TheBigK02> and u use hdmi ?
[08:29] <Rumen> no I use VGA because my video card is Quadro 4000 and no HDMI only VGA
[08:30] <TheBigK02> okay... thats quite some old tech... and it worked with 1920 and 60 hz before u upgraded to 20.04 ?
[08:30] <Rumen> Yes
[08:31] <TheBigK02> then DPMS is no option for u... now it makes sense
[08:31] <Rumen> I upgraded to 20.04 1 year ago, when I said update I mean the last autoupdate of a basic things
[08:31] <TheBigK02> and since then u have the resoltion broken or what?!
[08:31] <Rumen> few days ago
[08:31] <TheBigK02> what did change. the nvidia driver only?
[08:32] <Rumen> no the core update
[08:32] <Rumen> the driver is old one
[08:33] <Rumen> there was autoupdate of "Ubuntu Basic Components" as usually .... and after that resolution decrease to 1600x900
[08:33] <TheBigK02> check ur /var/log/apt/history.log and see what did change
[08:33] <Rumen> after fresh start 1600x900, after hybernation wake with 1600x900
[08:36] <nms> How do you add resolution on a display driver
[08:37] <Rumen> with xrandr
[08:37] <Rumen> here is the file - the problem started March 18, 2021 https://pastebin.com/zyRLSxpR
[08:38] <nms> Thanx
[08:38] <Rumen> Every time I have to add manually resolution, but I got also error from xrandr
[08:38] <TheBigK02> linux-modules-nvidia-390-5.8.0-45-generic:amd64
[08:38] <TheBigK02> so the driver changed
[08:39] <TheBigK02> Rumen: i would consult changelogs and may be u find ur answer there ...
[08:40] <Rumen> xrandr error https://pastebin.com/vec2Af4c
[08:40] <TheBigK02> in the nvidia-settings tool... the screen shows up ? u usually can put that custom resoltion into that xorg.conf file without doing it manually.. or is that the way u did it
[08:41] <Rumen> haven't seen driver changed - it is automatic
[08:41] <Rumen> strange there are 2 of them
[08:41] <Rumen> nvidia-settings:amd64 (460.39-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>, automatic)
[08:41] <TheBigK02> thats "normal"... the nvidia-settings can be of different version
[08:41] <Rumen> and nvidia-kernel-source-390:amd64 (390.141-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>)
[08:41] <isapgswell> rumen what is your xrandr command?
[08:42] <isapgswell> rumen use cvt xy refresh
[08:42] <Rumen> xrandr --newmode    and xrandr -addmode   after cvt 1920 1080
[08:42] <Rumen> and add the monitor DVI-I-0
[08:43] <isapgswell> rumen the error occured with addmode?
[08:43] <Rumen> sometimes after newmode, sometimes after addmode
[08:43] <Rumen> one and the same error
[08:44] <isapgswell> rumen tell me your newmode sequence
[08:44] <isapgswell> rumen setence
[08:44] <Rumen> xrandr --newmode "1920x1080_60.00"  173.00  1920 2048 2248 2576  1080 1083 1088 1120 -hsync +vsync
[08:46] <isapgswell> rumen from cvt, ok correct
[08:46] <Rumen> Yes
[08:47] <isapgswell> rumen and addmode
[08:48] <Rumen> xrandr --addmode "1920x1080_60.00" DVI-I-0
[08:48] <isapgswell> rumen before you run addmode you need to verify if xrandr returns any dvi output, to you add a new mode
[08:49] <isapgswell> rumen try this: xrandr --addmode "1920x1080_60.00" DVI-I-0
[08:49] <Rumen> sometimes accept the  --newmode  without errors
[08:49] <isapgswell> rumen: try this xrandr --addmode 1920x1080_60.00 DVI-I-0
[08:50] <Rumen> xrandr: cannot find output "1920x1080_60.00"
[08:50] <isapgswell> rumen create with newmode
[08:50] <isapgswell> rumen before
[08:51] <Rumen> https://pastebin.com/JXgSJWTm
[08:52] <isapgswell> rumen run without sudo command
[08:53] <Rumen> https://pastebin.com/0YS58r9V
[08:53] <isapgswell> rumen what is your cvt setence?
[08:53] <isapgswell> sentence
[08:54] <Rumen> https://pastebin.com/v7pkC27Y
[08:55] <isapgswell> rumen try  this: cvt 1920x1080 60
[08:56] <isapgswell> rumen without sudo
[08:57] <Rumen> this give very strage result https://pastebin.com/3bEBUSEs
[08:57] <Rumen> resolution 1920x60
[08:57] <isapgswell> rumen sorry, cvt 1920 1080 60
[08:58] <Rumen> this looks correct https://pastebin.com/Qu02FnjF
[08:59] <isapgswell> rumen yes
[09:00] <isapgswell> rumen now try newmode and addmode
[09:00] <isapgswell> rumen with that modeline
[09:01] <zigurat> Hello. I have 20.10 installed. I also have virtualbox that I use with ubuntu 20.10. When I let the VM in fullscreen the host does not lock leaving it exposed :)
[09:02] <Rumen> https://pastebin.com/JRbniEem
[09:02] <zigurat> Any tweaks I need to do?
[09:05] <isapgswell> rumen pastebin xrandr output, like: xrandr <enter>
[09:06] <isapgswell> rumen d oyou have dual gpu?
[09:07] <Rumen> no
[09:07] <Rumen> at the momment it is with resolution 1920x1080, but if I restart will back to 1600x900
[09:08] <reynir> Hello! I was running do-release-upgrade on a server to upgrade 18.04->20.04. I opened a shell to inspect the difference between two config files (Z option) and ran vimdiff. Inside vimdiff I hit ctrl-c and that unexpectedly killed the upgrade. Any ideas how I can recover?
[09:08] <Rumen> but I try many many things from the morning and after restart back to lower resolutions
[09:08] <Rumen> https://pastebin.com/mDtcFFwn
[09:08] <isapgswell> rumen first you have to create add and outputs, one time
[09:09] <isapgswell> rumen good
[09:09] <EriC^> reynir: are you sure the upgrade isn't still running? anything in "ps aux" ? what's the contents of 'cat /etc/issue' ?
[09:09] <isapgswell> rumen put into .xsessionrc this command each one at a time
[09:09] <isapgswell> rumen and try reboot the machine
[09:09] <reynir> EriC^: /etc/issue is, excluding blank lines: Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS \n \l
[09:10] <reynir> EriC^: there's a dpkg process running, but it's not doing anything
[09:10] <EriC^> reynir: can you pastebin it's line in ps aux?
[09:10] <reynir> /usr/bin/dpkg --force-overwrite --status-fd 56 --configure --pending
[09:10] <reynir> "not doing anything" as in it's not using any cpu time
[09:10] <EriC^> aha
[09:11] <EriC^> reynir: is there any screen session or so for the upgrader?
[09:11] <reynir> No, the server has only tmux installed and no screen
[09:11] <Rumen> put into .xsessionrc this command each one at a time - which command?
[09:11] <EriC^> i think by default the upgrader is supposed to use screen somehow
[09:12] <Rumen> Sorry asking, but I don't use too much IRC
[09:12] <EriC^> reynir: anything from "ps aux | grep upgrade"
[09:12] <reynir> `which screen` returns nothing
[09:12] <isapgswell> rumen newmode, next line addmode, last xrandr --output
[09:12] <isapgswell> rumen as you know now how to do
[09:13] <Rumen> Aha OK
[09:13] <isapgswell> rumen create the file .xsessionrc into homefolder
[09:13] <reynir> EriC^: Yes! thanks. Two python scripts https://p.reyn.ir/p/+lyMFx6K+Xs
[09:13] <isapgswell> rumen and put three commands into that
[09:14] <isapgswell> rumen after reboot, tell me if works
[09:15] <reynir> EriC^: https://p.reyn.ir/p/xDU3KTHcTeQ
[09:15] <reynir> oh I see vimdiff is still running ?!
[09:15] <reynir> I closed the terminal
[09:16] <Forza> Hello everyone. I'm trying to install ubuntu server on btrfs. It seems I cannot choose any subvolume layout in the installer and if I preconfigure disk and mount in /target, the installer bails out
[09:16] <reynir> Maybe if I try killing vimdiff it'll progress
[09:16] <EriC^> reynir: https://serverfault.com/questions/387547/how-do-i-reattach-to-ubuntu-servers-do-release-upgrade-process
[09:17] <EriC^> ah i think if you dont have screen installed it wont be available
[09:18] <EriC^> reynir: it seems you might have to kill the dpkg process and see if it continues, and finally do 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' so that it configures the stuff it didnt
[09:19] <rajivmars> what kind of link is "https://www.pdfdrive.com/download.pdf?id=33735280&h=39e1817b05cf155433309dbb2f3289fe&u=cache&ext=pdf"? and why these kind of links are not download for wget or aria2?
[09:19] <EriC^> reynir: look at the /etc/apt/sources.list to see they're all only focal and then also do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:20] <EriC^> reynir: sudo apt-get -f install   might also be a useful command to see the apt integrity is all good
[09:22] <reynir> /etc/apt/sources.list is all focal, but there's a /etc/apt/sources.list.distUpgrade which is all bionic
[09:22] <EriC^> reynir: aha i think it only uses .list files, but to be safe maybe remove it and back it up somewhere
[09:25] <reynir> Thanks. I moved the file away and killed dpkg. I saw briefly a 'focal' process afterwards in top. Now I'm running dpkg --configure -a and it's doing something
[09:31] <Rumen> after the reboot everything looks fine https://pastebin.com/HjYE0gDQ
[09:51] <isapgswell> rumen good!
[09:51] <Rumen> Thanks a lot for the help!!!
[09:51] <isapgswell> rumen you are welcome
[09:53] <isapgswell> rumen remember, after you ran these commands, you cannot create same newmode, addmode, becase it already exists
[09:53] <isapgswell> rumen exist
[09:54] <isapgswell> rumen because of that you gave some erros
[09:54] <Rumen> I hope I will not need to make it again, since March 18 every day 2-3 times I should put many many commands to change the resolution
[09:55] <isapgswell> rumen unless you change modeline name ok!
[09:55] <isapgswell> rumen good, if do not work in .xsessrionrc try .xinit with these commands
[09:56] <Rumen> Sure thanks a lot. That was because of t he Nvidia update?
[09:56] <reynir> Alright, I finished the upgrade. Hopefully it comes back just fine after the reboot
[09:57] <reynir> oh, I should probably have used the opportunity to do some backups before... >.<
[09:57] <isapgswell> rumen maybe, you run optimus on your machine?
[09:58] <isapgswell> rumen your note is optimus capable?
[09:59] <Rumen> no, I haven't touch anything only when the auto update appear I hit OK and that's all have not chnaged the video card driver for more then  1 year when upgraded from 18.04 to 20.04 and the old driver didn't worked fine
[10:01] <isapgswell> rumen understand, i think nvidia is not the trouble
[10:03] <isapgswell> rumen but this .xsessionrc dont dissapeared after upgrades
[10:03] <isapgswell> rumen disappear
[10:03] <Rumen> I see
[10:04] <isapgswell> rumen none distro i have known make modification into $HOME directory
[10:04] <isapgswell> rumen delete for example
[10:05] <reynir> EriC^: It worked! Thanks for all the help :)
[10:39] <baobabfruit> Hi ! -from an old dell poweredge 9250-
[11:01] <lotuspsychje> welcome baobabfruit
[11:04] <baobabfruit> Question time, im running ubuntu server 20.10, i just hot swapped a drive i want to shred but lsblk doesn't show the device
[11:04] <baobabfruit> ideas ?
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> can try #ubuntu-server if you like baobabfruit
[11:07] <baobabfruit> will do thanks
[11:14] <emilsp> Does systemd-resolved on Ubuntu 18.04 do some kind of connectivity checking when a user is applying DNS config? It seems weird, because the DBus RPCs for setting the config take a lot of time, sometimes even hitting the timeout- and I've not seen this behavior before.
[11:30] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:30] <joshuasing> Hello
[11:31] <Maik> o/
[11:31] <BluesKaj> o/
[11:32] <withered_dragon> o\
[11:33] <withered_dragon> o/
[11:34] <mss0406> Hi i have a question about the a prosses that runs on start up: "/usr/bin/perl -w /usr/share/debconf/frontend /usr/sbin/update-secureboot-policy --enroll-key"
[11:34] <Maik> mss0406: please don't cross post, thanks in advance
[12:39] <silv3r_m00n> hi there
[12:39] <silv3r_m00n> i am on kubuntu 20.10 and i want to install a package from previous ubuntu version, python-wxgtk3.0  what is the best way to do this ?
[12:56] <Maik> silv3r_m00n: there's #kubuntu if you need support with that
[12:57] <Maik> -_-
[13:01] <ordos> Hi all. On 20.04 Desktop. Is it possible to disabled the button on my mouse on its left side (under my thumb)? I don't really use it and I occasionally click it by accident (which can be helluva frustrating when I'm browsing the web since clicking that button is the equivalent of clicking the Back button on the browser). Thanks :-)
[13:03] <lotuspsychje> ordos: check out gnome-tweaks and dconf-editor perhaps
[13:03] <ordos> lotuspsychje, thanks will take a look
[13:27] <mss0406> hi the command "/usr/bin/perl -w /usr/share/debconf/frontend /usr/sbin/update-secureboot-policy --enroll-key" keeps running on start up can i somehow provent this from happening/resolve the command
[13:31] <epinky> Hello, I've just installed an Ubuntu 10.04 Desktop in a core dos duo quad, but I cannot boot, it falls back to Netboot, can somebody help?
[13:32] <Maik> epinky: 10.04?
[13:32] <epinky> Maik: sorry, 20.04
[13:33] <epinky> I've searched for possible causes, they point out to UEFI issues, so I tried tweaking BIOS option with no joy
[13:36] <mss0406> epinky, what options did you tweak? Saveboot, boot order, etc?
[13:37] <epinky> mss0406: yes, UEFI enable/disable also
[13:39] <mss0406> so safeboot,bootorder and uefi enabled disabled. do you have a option to choose what boot maneger it goes into(eg: Windows boot maneger, Ubunutu, etc.) thats usualy hidden at the bottom of some boot settings?
[13:40] <epinky> no, it's an old PC quad core as I told
[13:40] <epinky> I'm using the whole disk
[13:40] <epinky> mss0406: no, I'm using the whole disk
[13:41] <mss0406> do you have ubuntu on a CD or USB drive? if its on a usb drive what programm did you use to put ubuntu on there epinky
[13:41] <epinky> mss0406: I have a DVD
[13:41] <mss0406> ok
[13:42] <epinky> mss0406: I tested moving the disk to another PC and it boots fine
[13:43] <mss0406> ok
[13:44] <mss0406> can you try to disable all other boot options? epinky
[13:44] <epinky> ok, right away
[13:44] <epinky> mss0406: ok, right away
[13:44] <mss0406> ok
[13:46] <Maik> epinky: processor speed? How much RAM?
[13:47] <flrnd> how is processor speed and ram related to boot problem? I'm curious
[13:48] <mss0406> too litle of both = no boot at all
[13:48] <Maik> epinky: is the PC 32 or 64 bit?
[13:48] <Maik> if 32 then you're out of luck
[13:49] <epinky> Maik: 64
[13:49] <epinky> Maik: 8GB RAM
[13:49] <Maik> hmmm... should be sufficient
[13:49] <flrnd> my god
[13:49] <Maik> what
[13:50] <mss0406> 8GB ram and a quad core? i havent see sutch a config in a laptop yet
[13:51] <flrnd> epinky: first, laptop model?
[13:52] <Maik> flrnd: if you can provide better support be my guest, not everyone has the same knowledge about things
[13:52]  * Maik is afk
[13:53] <flrnd> Excuse my manners, I forget sometimes that "typing" can be rude too. It wasnt my intention :)
[13:55] <epinky> mss0406:  it's not a laptop, BIOS says: Intel(R) Core(TM) 2 Quad CPU Q6600 2.40GHz Intel EM64T Capable 1.6 GHz L2 Cache RAM 2x4096Kb, total memory: 4096MB
[13:55] <Maik> flrnd: all good
[13:56] <flrnd> not a laptop. Okey. You've already tried to boot from LIVE USB/CD but it drops the boot to netboot, that's correct?
[13:56] <mss0406> epinky, oh i may have missunderstud something
[13:56] <flrnd> epinky: so, you see grub, start the boot process and at some point fails?
[13:57] <epinky> flrnd: no, it does not boot at all, no error displayed, if I move the disk to another PC it boots flawlessly
[13:58] <flrnd> okey, so, you 100% sure that the BIOS is settup correctly to boot from that device?
[13:58] <epinky> flrnd: yes, indeed I disabled all the other boot options as suggested by mss0406, no joy
[13:59] <flrnd> can you take a screenshot and share it?
[14:01] <mss0406> epinky, ok can you try a usb stick with the iso on it? might be that some pc refuce to use cd as a boot drive, also if you flash the usb stick with windows use rufus otherwise it might throw an error
[14:01] <flrnd> yeah, it may be few reasons,
[14:02] <flrnd> 1) The way you created that usb (for example, using old mbr instead of uefi/gpt layout)
[14:03] <epinky> mss0406: the problem it's not the DVD boot, indeed it installs to hard drive flawlessly, the problem is that I cannot boot the installed version via hard drive
[14:04] <flrnd> so, the problem is not the install, is after install
[14:04] <flrnd> we're close
[14:05] <flrnd> epinky: so, you can see the grub menu and boot, right?
[14:06] <epinky> flrnd: no, it does not boot at all, no grub menu
[14:06] <BluesKaj> nomodeset?
[14:06] <cbreak> uefi or bios?
[14:07] <flrnd> do you have other OS on that computer? you installed the grub on the wrong uefi partition :P
[14:07] <leftyfb> epinky: I would disable secureboot and UEFI and re-install
[14:07] <cbreak> I'd ensure that the legacy bios crap is disabled
[14:08] <cbreak> including CSR
[14:08] <leftyfb> cbreak: I'd ensure that legacy BIOS is enabled and the only way to boot to limit complications and what is probably causing the issue
[14:08] <cbreak> and then register the bootloader with efibootmgr
[14:09] <cbreak> that'll avoid a whole lot of complications
[14:09] <leftyfb> cbreak: right, by disabling UEFI
[14:09] <cbreak> and you don't have to worry about things like MBR, or what ever
[14:09] <cbreak> you can have nice, independent installed OSes, each with their own EFI partition, on their own device
[14:10] <cbreak> and boot everything via the EFI boot menu
[14:10] <cbreak> (if you set it up that way)
[14:10] <flrnd> cbreak: exactly
[14:10] <cbreak> this will obviously not work if you have systems that are set up for legacy boot
[14:11] <flrnd> his problem is that ubuntu is trying to boot from an empty uefi partition
[14:11] <cbreak> but it should work fine with grub, systemd-boot, clover, OpenCore, refind, ...
[14:11] <cbreak> ubuntu should install a boot loader. I think grub, by default
[14:11] <cbreak> when booted to ubuntu (live usb works too), you can configure everything via `efibootmgr`
[14:12] <cbreak> it's commandline, and quite unintuitive though
[14:12] <flrnd> thing is, Ubuntu (and debian) select the first uefi partition it finds
[14:13] <cbreak> don't know if grub supports this, but efi partition contents are just files, they can be copied over without problems normally
[14:13] <cbreak> I use that to backup my OpenCore configs, but it might also work for grub
[14:13] <flrnd> I have 2 drivers in this computer, and I always need to open a terminal and re-mount the correct uefi partition to avoid the installer using the other drive one
[14:13] <cbreak> that seems silly.
[14:14] <cbreak> the installer should use the efi partition that is on the same drive as the partition it is installed on
[14:14] <flrnd> it should, but it doesn't
[14:14] <leftyfb> epinky: if you want it simple and just want to boot and run ubuntu on this older machine, I would recommend disabling secureboot and UEFI completely. Stick with legacy BIOS mode and reinstall. You should be fine after that. If you want to continue troubleshooting for the next few hours and possibly, maybe get it sorted out, then by all means continue with what others are suggesting.
[14:14] <cbreak> once ubuntu is installed, I think you can control this via /etc/fstab
[14:14] <cbreak> if you manage to boot from it once :)
[14:15] <ELFrederich> hi, on a fairly fresh install... I don't see underscores in HexChat... any ideas why?
[14:15] <flrnd> we need more info, like the partition layout. more drives or just one, only Ubuntu or dualboot...
[14:16] <flrnd> "my computer don't boot" is, sorry, but moot
[14:17] <flrnd> I bet my ods to the system trying to boot an empty uefi partition ;P
[14:18] <mss0406> also does anyone know what the flip flap the command "/usr/bin/perl -w /usr/share/debconf/frontend /usr/sbin/update-secureboot-policy --enroll-key" does and why it keeps running on start up
[14:19] <leftyfb> ELFrederich: yes, there's a bug with hexchat in how it renders monospace fonts of a certain size ...
[14:19] <leftyfb> ELFrederich: the fix is not available in any version of hexchat available from the official repos. I have patched the latest version available in 20.04 and made a PPA for it if you are comfortable using that
[14:19] <leftyfb> ELFrederich: https://launchpad.net/~leftyfb/+archive/ubuntu/hexchat/
[14:21] <leftyfb> mss0406: https://superuser.com/questions/1493050/update-secureboot-policy-enroll-key-running-on-every-new-startup-eating-reso
[14:21] <mss0406> ight will try ty
[14:23] <mss0406> "No DKMS modules installed." gona reboot regardless brb
[14:27] <mss0406> leftyfb, i dont have a MOK option in the bios .........
[14:28] <leftyfb> mss0406: maybe disable secureboot then?
[14:29] <leftyfb> mss0406: you might have to reinstall though
[14:30] <mss0406> i dont want to disable secure boot becaus for somereason it idels at 20% cpu
[14:30] <mss0406> well then reinstalling it is.........
[14:33] <leftyfb> mss0406: secureboot has nothing to do with how your CPU performs
[14:34] <mss0406> with secure boot i get 5% idle without im at 20% idle i realy realy dont know why
[14:35] <leftyfb> mss0406: probably from the update-secureboot-policy trying to do it's thing but can't. If you reinstall without secureboot enabled none of that will get installed
[14:37] <mss0406> leftyfb, i kill the update secureboot thing thirst thing on start up anyway ima reinstall i have reked a lot of config files anyway so not reinstalling is just delaying the inevitable
[14:37] <leftyfb> mss0406: disable secureboot in your BIOS first
[14:37] <leftyfb> mss0406: that will limit issues
[14:37] <mss0406> already did
[15:30] <Blade-Runner> can someone help me with this error: software updater, failed to download repository information click Settings and Livepatch does nothing
[15:31] <mss0406> check that your pc can reach the update servers, are you on a work network?
[15:32] <mss0406> Blade-Runner
[15:32] <Blade-Runner> yes
[15:32] <Blade-Runner> oh sorry no
[15:32] <mss0406> not on a work network?
[15:32] <Blade-Runner> on home computer
[15:33] <mss0406> ok
[15:33] <mss0406> hmm
[15:33] <Blade-Runner> there is another error message in terminal lemme post
[15:33] <mss0406> now for the age old IT question
[15:33] <Blade-Runner> ok go
[15:33] <mss0406> have you tryed turining it off and on agin
[15:34] <Blade-Runner> i uninstalled it from snap and reinstalled, but read this:
[15:34] <Blade-Runner> canonical-livepatch status
[15:34] <Blade-Runner> Machine is not enabled. Please run 'sudo canonical-livepatch enable' with the
[15:34] <Blade-Runner> token obtained from https://ubuntu.com/livepatch
[15:35] <mss0406> did you try the sudo livepatch?
[15:35] <Blade-Runner> yes
[15:35] <mss0406> ok
[15:36] <Blade-Runner> livepatch command not found
[15:36] <mss0406> huh
[15:36] <Blade-Runner> sudo livepatch
[15:36] <Blade-Runner> [sudo] password for dj:
[15:36] <Blade-Runner> sudo: livepatch: command not found
[15:37] <mss0406> "sudo canonical-livepatch enable"? or "sudo livepatch enable"?
[15:37] <Blade-Runner> yes i did this some months ago and gave up running into dead ends
[15:38] <Blade-Runner> getting a new token and trying to use it said the token didnt match
[15:38] <mss0406> try "sudo canonical-livepatch enable" now plz
[15:38] <Blade-Runner> sure
[15:39] <Blade-Runner>  error executing enable: No key provided.
[15:39] <mss0406> hmm
[15:39] <mss0406> well idk anymore then maybe someone else can help
[15:39] <Blade-Runner> thats when i went to canonical and got another key and then it said it doesnt match
[15:40] <Blade-Runner> am i suppose to remove the old key?
[15:40] <Blade-Runner> or get a replacement of the key i had?
[15:41] <Blade-Runner> i cant seem to find the right info on what to do next
[15:42] <zaffy> could refresh all saved GPG keys be helpful?
[15:42] <Blade-Runner> i have no idea
[15:43] <Blade-Runner> or how
[15:43] <zaffy> I believe can't hurts
[15:43] <zaffy> this is the way
[15:43] <zaffy> sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --refresh-keys
[15:43] <Blade-Runner> ok, thanks i'll try that
[15:44] <Blade-Runner> refreshing
[15:44] <Blade-Runner> 9 keys
[15:45] <Blade-Runner> ok nothing changed it said
[15:46] <zaffy> did you try to update repos in the terminal?
[15:46] <Blade-Runner> i will if you tell me how please
[15:47] <zaffy> sudo apt update
[15:47] <Blade-Runner> oh yeah that i did
[15:47] <zaffy> without errors?
[15:48] <Blade-Runner> has errors
[15:48] <zaffy> that should tell you which repo has issues
[15:48] <Blade-Runner> is this whats wrong?
[15:49] <Blade-Runner> ok
[15:49] <Blade-Runner> it does
[15:49] <Blade-Runner> so can i remove thos repos from terminal?
[15:50] <zaffy> I would try to fix it, not remove
[15:50] <Blade-Runner> oh
[15:50] <zaffy> if it's there... maybe you should need it
[15:50] <Blade-Runner> i remember adding some maybe i did too much
[15:51] <zaffy> it depends on the repo. if it's a ppa or some 3rd party one
[15:51] <Blade-Runner> ok here is the first error
[15:52] <Blade-Runner> Err:2 cdrom://Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS _Focal Fossa_ - Release amd64 (20200731) focal Release
[15:52] <Blade-Runner>   Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD-ROM recognized by APT. apt-get update cannot be used to add new CD-ROMs
[15:53] <leftyfb> Blade-Runner: please use pastebin and paste the entire thing. Are you sure this is an installation and not running from a live session from a cd or usb?
[15:53] <Blade-Runner> yes full installation several months ago
[15:54] <Blade-Runner> i know live session cd or usb it is none of those
[15:54] <Blade-Runner> ok pastebin
[15:55] <zaffy> using network updates/installations, the cdrom repo is useless, anyway (imho)
[15:57] <leftyfb> the cdrom repo shouldn't exist on a normal installation
[15:57] <Blade-Runner> yeah, i've learned a few things since install, sorry nOOb
[15:57] <Blade-Runner> https://pastebin.com/ZzK6TS8R
[15:58] <ioria> Blade-Runner, you probably uncommented the first line of /etc/apt/sources.list
[15:58] <Blade-Runner> doesnt sound familar but ok maybe
[15:58] <leftyfb> Blade-Runner: step #1, remove the cdrom repo
[15:59] <Blade-Runner> ok how?
[15:59] <ioria> Blade-Runner, grep cdrom  /etc/apt/sources.list    ans paste here
[16:01] <Blade-Runner> [Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS _Focal Fossa_ - Release amd64 (20200731)]/ focal main restricted
[16:01] <Blade-Runner> # (e.g. netinst, live or single CD). The matching "deb cdrom"
[16:01] <ioria> nope; the line should be like this : #deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS _Focal Fossa_ - Release amd64 (20200731)]/ focal main restricted
[16:02] <Blade-Runner> ok how do i change it?
[16:02] <ioria> Blade-Runner, cat  /etc/apt/sources.list   | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:03] <Blade-Runner> https://termbin.com/mb03
[16:03] <ioria> Blade-Runner, comment the first line
[16:04] <Blade-Runner> where in  terminal
[16:04] <ioria> yes ... sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:05] <leftyfb> gah, that default sources.list always burns my eyes
[16:05] <Blade-Runner> and comment you mean do what?
[16:06] <ioria> Blade-Runner, as i show you abvove : with a '#' ^
[16:06] <Blade-Runner> it starts deb cdrom
[16:06] <ioria>  #deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS _Focal Fossa_ - Release amd64 (20200731)]/ focal main restricted
[16:07] <ioria> Blade-Runner,  you see ? the hash '#'
[16:07] <Blade-Runner> ok looking
[16:07] <leftyfb> ioria: maybe suggest them to make the entire file look like this? :)   https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/qKbW8WfFNv/
[16:08] <ioria> probably , yes ... :þ
[16:09] <zaffy> I removed also the deb-src lines, not even commented... =)
[16:09] <Blade-Runner> this is what it reads now: #deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS _Focal Fossa_ - Release amd64 (20200731)]/ focal main restricteddeb cdrom:[Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS
[16:10] <ioria> Blade-Runner,  paste it again
[16:10] <Blade-Runner> here or in term?
[16:10] <ioria> here
[16:11] <ioria> the file i mean
[16:11] <Blade-Runner> #deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS _Focal Fossa_ - Release amd64 (20200731)]/ focal main restricteddeb cdrom:[Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS _
[16:11] <ioria> Blade-Runner, i said the file
[16:11] <Blade-Runner> ok i'm loosing you, which file?
[16:12] <ioria> Blade-Runner, cat  /etc/apt/sources.list   | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:12] <Blade-Runner> ok
[16:13] <Blade-Runner> https://termbin.com/lel2
[16:14] <ioria> Blade-Runner, nope, you didn't save the changes
[16:14] <Blade-Runner> ok i didnt know that was the next step lemme go back
[16:14] <ioria> Blade-Runner, yoou know how to edit a system file  ?
[16:14] <Blade-Runner> no
[16:15] <ioria> Blade-Runner, you can do it alnso in gui if you want
[16:15] <Blade-Runner> that suits me better
[16:16] <Blade-Runner> what app does that?
[16:16] <ioria> Blade-Runner, press Win key; select software & updates
[16:16] <Blade-Runner> uh, my kboard doesnt have a win key
[16:17] <Blade-Runner> at least nothing says "win"
[16:17] <ioria> Blade-Runner, it's the Super Key
[16:17] <ioria> Blade-Runner, click on Activities
[16:17] <Blade-Runner> ok software updater opened
[16:17] <ioria> Blade-Runner, lookat bottom
[16:18] <Blade-Runner> settings?
[16:18] <ioria> Blade-Runner, in the ubuntu software tab
[16:18] <Blade-Runner> thats what is missing
[16:18] <ioria> Blade-Runner, you selected the wrong app
[16:19] <Blade-Runner> all it says is failed to download repository information, settings, try again, ok
[16:19] <ioria> Blade-Runner, not  'software updater'  but 'software & updates'
[16:19] <Blade-Runner> ok i see
[16:19] <ioria> man, come on
[16:20] <silv3r_m00n1> hi there i need urgent help
[16:20] <ioria> Blade-Runner, ubuntu software tab  -> look at bottom and unckeck 'cdrom'
[16:20] <Blade-Runner> nothing, it doesnt open
[16:20] <silv3r_m00n1> i did sudo apt-get install virtualbox and its showing this , https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/g67Mv8TMgn/
[16:20] <silv3r_m00n1> why is virtualbox trying to modify the firmware of my laptop ?
[16:20] <ioria> brb
[16:21] <leftyfb> Blade-Runner: run this: curl https://pastebin.com/raw/8JN3wQCe|sudo tee /etc/apt/source  & sudo apt update
[16:22] <Blade-Runner> software  & updates does not open
[16:22] <Blade-Runner> ok
[16:23] <Blade-Runner> ok i ran it
[16:23] <leftyfb> Blade-Runner: ok, your updates should be good now
[16:24] <Blade-Runner> but does that fix the issue with livepatch not opening?
[16:26] <Blade-Runner> the software updater gui  failed to download and livepatch gui wont even open
[16:29] <Blade-Runner> ok, i guess another time
[16:30] <zaffy> @leftyfb, shouldn't the command be: curl https://pastebin.com/raw/8JN3wQCe|sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list & sudo apt update    ??
[16:31] <leftyfb> ugh
[16:31] <leftyfb> yes
[16:31] <leftyfb> sorry
[16:31] <leftyfb> Blade-Runner: run this: curl https://pastebin.com/raw/8JN3wQCe|sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list  && sudo apt update
[16:31] <Blade-Runner> pl
[16:31] <Blade-Runner> oops, ok
[16:32] <Blade-Runner> fpmr
[16:32] <Blade-Runner> ahh
[16:32] <Blade-Runner> done
[16:32] <Blade-Runner> all packages are up to date
[16:34] <ioria> Blade-Runner, try to fix the livepatch issue ?
[16:35] <Blade-Runner> i've tried, it tells me i dont have a key get one when i do it says it doesnt match
[16:36] <ioria> Blade-Runner, try the 6 steps in here : https://askubuntu.com/questions/1271580/cant-enable-canonical-livepatch-on-ubuntu-20-04-1-lts
[16:36] <Blade-Runner> ok thank you
[16:38] <Blade-Runner> l'll let you know later how it went, maybe tomorrow, thanks for the help
[17:21] <jpmh> I am confused when the * is expanded by bash.  If I do ./myscript * - sure enough I see the list of files as the argument, whereas if I do ./myscript 12*12 I see the 12*12 as the argument - what stops the * from being expanded?
[17:23] <EriC^^> jpmh: do you have a file called 12<something>12?
[17:23] <jpmh> EriC^^: NO
[17:24] <EriC^^> 1212?
[17:24] <EriC^^> jpmh: if you want it to expand all the files you'd need to do "12 * 12"
[17:25] <EriC^^> otherwise it's just going to try to expand 1212 or 12<something>12 if they exist
[17:26] <jpmh> EriC^^: I have no files with the characters 12 - I do NOT really want to expand - I just want to understand when the bash does expand and when it does not
[17:26] <jpmh> EriC^^: as yu say, I expected it always t try and expand the * - but it is not
[17:27] <EriC^^> yeah it's trying to expand but there's no files called 12..
[17:28] <jpmh> EriC^^: yes, that's what I expected  = and so this is why I am not expecting to see the * as an argument to my script - I would have expected it to be consuemed
[17:29] <EriC^^> jpmh: yeah exactly, it will always process the expansions first and whatnot and then run the command, unless a person does ./myscript '*' for instance then it'd be passed as a literal * in the command
[17:32] <jpmh> EriC^^: this is what I am missing.  If I do ./myscript * then I do not get the star, I get the expanded list - whereas when I do 12*12 I get the actual "12*12" whay is that ot expanding and returning an empty list
[17:35] <EriC^^> jpmh: it doesn't work that way, it's more of a helper not like an if statement or something
[17:36] <EriC^^> but yeah you'd expect the "*" to disappear or something
[17:37] <jpmh> EriC^^: I'm still confused - even as a "helper" surely it EITHER is being expanded and removed or it is not.  It seems that when there is a match it is removed and expanded and when there is notne, then it is passed as is
[17:37] <jpmh> so EriC^^ are you agreeing with me, that it seems illogical
[17:40] <EriC^^> it's pretty arbitrary
[17:41] <jpmh> EriC^^: yes, but arbitary is not the same as illogical
[17:42] <EriC^^> how would you deem it's functioning logical?
[17:42] <EriC^^> doesnt find anything to expand, removes the whole string from commandline? no 12*12?
[17:44] <EriC^^> jpmh: tbh i dont know much about the subject, there might be some good reason for the way it does stuff, i'd try asking in ##bash as they know the ins and outs
[17:45] <jpmh> EriC^^: just seems that logically it should awlays ot NEVER expand and remove the *
[17:45] <jpmh> EriC^^: did not realize there was a ##bash - heading there now - TY
[17:45] <EriC^^> alright, np
[17:47] <Smaug> hey all, I want to upgrade my 16.04 desktop to 18.04, NOT 20.04.  if I run `sudo do-release-upgrade` will that try to upgrade to 20 or it will upgrade to 18?
[17:47] <EriC^^> Smaug: to 18.04
[17:48] <Kisama>                 BtnGuardar.DialogResult = DialogResult.OK;
[17:48] <Kisama> to 18.04
[17:48] <Smaug> EriC^^, Kisama: : thanks
[17:49] <EriC^^> Smaug: no problem
[17:49] <Kisama> clear
[17:49] <Kisama> wait, that clear is not for here
[17:50] <Smaug> thank you for making that clear
[17:52] <Smaug> when I did `do-release-upgrade` it says 'Please install all available updates before upgrading'  does that just mean apt-get upgrade?  upgrade is failing because it can't find a certain deb, i need to resolve this before upgrading?
[17:53] <EriC^^> Smaug: yeah you need to
[17:54] <Smaug> EriC^^: i never had this error with upgrade before.  if I download a deb for the program manually and install with dpkg -i will that mean it is no longer managed by apt-get?
[17:54] <EriC^^> Smaug: you'll likely need to disable/purge any ppa's it's just better and makes for a smoother upgrade, then reinstall the ones that support 18.04
[17:54] <EriC^^> Smaug: no it'll still be in the apt/dpkg system
[17:55] <EriC^^> if you want pastebin the error you're getting, and apt-get policy <package>
[17:55] <Smaug> ok thanks, another quick question about .debs, do I need them around after installing?  do i treat them like a temp file I can delete after installatin or I should put it somewhere it should stay?
[17:56] <Smaug> EriC^^: "invalid operation policy" when I try to do apt-get policy
[17:56] <EriC^^> Smaug: you don't need them once installed, my bad apt-cache policy
[18:12] <javi404> anyone using livepatch?
[18:22] <oerheks> javi404, yes?
[18:23] <Smaug> EriC^^: so I upgraded the package that needed to be upgrade, but do-release-upgrade is still giving me an error.   apt-get upgrade doesn't find anything to upgrade.  15 packages are "held back" if that makes a difference, but nothing else requires upgrading according to `upgrade` but `do-release-upgrade` still gives that message
[18:23] <EriC^^> Smaug: try sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:24] <Smaug> that command ran successfully
[18:24] <Smaug> is that.....it?
[18:25] <EriC^^> should be
[18:25] <Smaug> so i am on 18 now?
[18:25] <EriC^^> no
[18:25] <EriC^^> try the do-release-upgrade command
[18:25] <Smaug> do-release-upgrade still gives me that error
[18:25] <oerheks> you are up2date now, reboot, and do-release-upgrade
[18:25] <Smaug> i will reboot
[18:26] <Smaug> see y'all soon
[18:26] <oerheks> that 15 packages might had a kernel or 2
[18:26] <Smaug> ok before i restart
[18:27] <oerheks> tip: reboot,  if the file /var/run/reboot-required exists
[18:27] <Smaug> now there is only one package held pack: libodbc1
[18:28] <jpmh> EriC^^: TY for the advice on #bash - in fact the behaviour is documented way down in the man page
[18:37] <Smaug> hey all!  restarted.  still getting the error upon `do-release-upgrade`
[18:37] <Smaug> "Please install all available updates for your release before upgrading."
[18:38] <Smaug> EriC^^
[18:38] <EriC^^> Smaug: what happens when you try to do sudo apt-get install libodbc1
[18:39] <raffaem2> How can I hide panel in fullscreen applications (like games)?
[18:40] <Smaug> EriC^^: that seemed to address the issue, now i can seem to initiatie upgrade process!  thanks
[18:40] <EriC^^> Smaug: great, no problem
[18:45] <javi404> cbreak: so is it safe to remove intermediate kernels?
[18:45] <javi404> im on 5.x.43 and ran out of space on /boot/
[18:45] <javi404> so removed 5.x.44 and 45
[18:45] <cbreak> tried apt autoremove?
[18:45] <javi404> yes
[18:45] <javi404> i have space now
[18:45] <javi404> just wondering if that is safe
[18:45] <javi404> and how to check livepatch history
[18:45] <cbreak> I'm not enough of a linux pro to remove such things myself
[18:45] <cbreak> but I would say apt autoremove should do it
[18:46] <cbreak> and seems reasonably safe
[18:46] <javi404> apt purge i belive is what i ran but im not at that machine at the moment.
[18:46] <javi404> then just versions of headers / image / somethingelse i cant remember
[18:46] <oerheks> nexst updates would give an autoremove run
[18:46] <oerheks> no need to do that manually anymore
[18:47] <javi404> oerheks: so im on 53, 58 is there.
[18:47] <javi404> do i have to reboot to have uname -a show 58 i assume?
[18:47] <oerheks> oke, so  install, reboot, run updates, and watch the fun
[18:47] <javi404> so like am i getting the benefits of livepatch?
[18:47] <raub> Stupid question: how do you find the sizes for hpbussize and hpmensize (as in https://askubuntu.com/questions/967223/running-into-pci-resource-allocation-issues-17-10-kernel-4-13-0-16-generic-64bit) I need?
[18:48] <javi404> oerheks: i mean is it worth a reboot to 58 or is livepatch enough.
[18:48] <oerheks> javi404, if livepatch is on, you still need to reboot, but the kernel is already in use.
[18:48] <javi404> oerheks: so basically at least at a minimum, i get critical bugs etc patched with livepatch.
[18:48] <javi404> my goal is never reboot
[18:49] <javi404> brb
[18:49] <oerheks> no, that is an illusion. one does not need to reboot immediatly.
[18:58] <raffaem2> how can I uninstall system GNOME extension like Appindicator and GameMode?
[19:05] <pagios> hi guys
[19:05] <pagios> what do you think of pop_os ?
[19:05] <pagios> reliable for a desktop/coding ?
[19:08] <pagios> it is based on ubuntu i gues
[19:08] <napstar> Hi, I've got ubuntu on my new computer, i put it on the tv with the displayport, but the border of the screen are decaled
[19:09] <napstar> like of 0.5milimeters
[19:10] <sarnold> pagios: probably it's better to ask people who use it
[19:10] <pagios> not sure where to find them :)
[19:10] <sarnold> I wonder if the bot knows..
[19:10] <MonoL> Hi
[19:10] <sarnold> !popos
[19:10] <sarnold> hah, guess not
[19:11] <MonoL> I wanna make ogg vorbis files
[19:12] <MonoL> Do I need to install something in particular?
[19:12] <MonoL> Perhaps a lib?
[19:12] <MonoL> Maybe it's already installed?
[19:13] <MonoL> If I were better at bash I'd know how to do a terminal search..
[19:15] <remline> MonoL: 'audacity' is a good option to start with. It depends on libogg0.
[19:15] <remline> Type 'apt show audacity' for details.
[19:44] <ELFrederich> Hi, I just had issues connecting from a laptop in the other room as FunkyELF from Freenode in web browser, so maybe someone already answered this
[19:45] <ELFrederich> I'm booted on a 20.04 USB and trying to wipe a disk before I send it in the mail.  I have tried installing wipe and secure-delete, but I get errors
[19:45] <MonoL> remline, Thanks!
[19:46] <MonoL> remline, Ill go have a look for libogg0 first
[19:46] <ELFrederich> Even after doing an apt update and apt upgrade I am unable to install "wipe" or "secure-delete"... these install fine on my other 20.04 machines, do I need to do something special to get them installed on a live environment?
[19:47] <oerheks> depends, ELFrederich, where those packages are located, my best guess: universe, that one is not enabled during install?
[19:48] <oerheks> sudo apt update && sudo add-apt-repository universe
[19:48] <oerheks> or the gui tool updates
[19:49] <oerheks> !info secure-delete
[19:49] <oerheks> jups
[19:49] <ELFrederich> oerheks, thanks!... adding universe worked.
[19:50] <oerheks> have fun!
[19:50] <ELFrederich> I need to get this drive wiped and sent in the mail then put my son's computer back together ;-)  His is the only computer in the house that takes a laptop hard drive.  My laptop is nvme
[19:50] <oerheks> secure delete does this 7 times?
[19:58] <ELFrederich> oerheks, I ended up just running shred, which is included without adding universe
[19:59] <ELFrederich> oerheks, seems to do it 3 time... and even with that, this mechanical 500G drive will take all night
[20:30] <Smaug> hey all, so I am attempting to install a package, received an error "x depends on y but y is not going to be installed."  attempting to install y gave a similar error with respect to z, and so on in a chain down to unixodbc-dev which has the error " unixodbc-dev : Depends: libodbc1 (= 2.3.4-1.1ubuntu3) but 2.3.7 is to be installed "
[20:30] <Smaug> so should I try to downgrade libodbc1?
[20:31] <Smaug> the overall package I am attempting to install at the top of this chain of dependencies is ROS melodic (ros-melodic-desktop-full) if that makes a differene
[20:31] <Smaug> *difference
[20:31] <oerheks> no, apt update and apt dist-upgrade properly, it is most likely your system and / or lists are behind
[20:32] <Smaug> thanks oerheks. what does that mean?
[20:33] <Smaug> (i just upgraded from 16 to 18 if that makes a difference)
[20:33] <ioria> Smaug, there is no 2.3.7 pkg ver on ubuntu  , i suspect a ppa issue
[20:34] <oerheks> the meta package gives older dependencies, that could be fixed with updating, further more use apt over apt-get to avoid these errors.
[20:34] <oerheks> apt is improved, superiour over apt-get
[20:35] <oerheks> err, what ppa?
[20:35] <leftyfb> oerheks: except when it comes to scripting ;)
[20:35] <oerheks> well, there is alway work to be done
[20:36] <oerheks> 'linux for human beings'
[20:37] <pizzaiolo> leftyfb how so?
[20:38] <leftyfb> pizzaiolo: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/4HBKc7Rryf/
[20:39] <pizzaiolo> ah
[20:39] <Smaug> oerheks: i am following the instructions http://wiki.ros.org/melodic/Installation
[20:39] <Smaug> not sure if they are outdated or what
[20:40] <leftyfb> Smaug: https://stackoverflow.com/a/61965811
[20:41] <realies> what ubuntu DAWs support lv2 plugins?
[20:41] <leftyfb> Smaug: the .deb packages for ROS Melodic are not compatible with Ubuntu 20.04. You need to move to Noetic or Ubuntu 18.04
[20:43] <Smaug> leftyfb: thanks, I am indeed on ubuntu 18.04 and the list seems ok for me though
[20:44] <Smaug> leftyfb: oerheks: the error i receive is https://pastebin.com/MfKz5fcL
[20:44] <Smaug> and attemtping to install the packages manually results in the chain of errors I described earlier
[20:45] <leftyfb> Smaug: maybe try #ros . You are using a non-official repo for packages we cannot support
[20:45] <Smaug> got it thanks
[20:50] <realies> is there any reason that audacity does not see lv2 plugins?
[20:50] <realies> got calf-plugins at /usr/lib/lv2/calf.lv2 and it can't find them, although /usr/lib/lv2 is one of the default folder locations
[20:50] <realies> does it matter that audacity is a snap?
[20:52] <oerheks> yes, with snap plugins should go in ~/Snap/<app> folder
[20:52] <oerheks> ~/snap/audacity/current/.audacity-data/Plug-Ins
[20:53] <oerheks> and remain there over snap updates.
[20:53] <realies> oh :S
[20:53] <realies> ln -s gonna work?
[20:53] <oerheks> not sure, as snap is pretty confined..
[20:54] <realies> thought so
[20:54] <realies> cp it is
[20:54] <oerheks> jups
[20:54] <leftyfb> oerheks: I don't think they should go in current
[20:54] <leftyfb> current is a link to the latest version. When you upgrade, that link will be changed
[20:54] <leftyfb> there should be a common directory
[20:55] <realies> ls ~/snap/audacity/common
[20:55] <realies> 'Always use PulseAudio'
[20:55] <realies> eh? :D
[20:56] <oerheks> oh, that is the only plugin folder i find
[20:57] <realies> me2
[20:57] <leftyfb> realies: any particular reason you're running it from snap when the same version is available in the apt repos?
[21:01] <realies> leftyfb, think it was available through the gui installer
[21:01] <realies> sounds like i want the apt verison
[21:10] <oerheks> iirc the gui gives audacity 2 times, or in softwarecenter
[21:27] <realies> i c, maybe bad luck then
[21:32] <metbsd> how do i install lubuntu i text mode
[21:36] <oerheks> metbsd, not possible from the lubuntu iso, use the mini iso for that?
[21:36] <metbsd> but i don't see 20.04 mini iso
[21:36] <metbsd> only 18
[21:37] <oerheks> correct
[21:37] <metbsd> so i gotto do 18 and upgrade?
[21:37] <oerheks> so, question yourself why you need textmode
[21:38] <metbsd> i don't know
[21:38] <metbsd> screen goes blank
[21:38] <metbsd> i guess graphics is not supported?
[21:38] <VMGuy23> what happening
[21:38] <metbsd> boot, and something flashed, and go blank
[21:39] <metbsd> it's 20.04 iso
[21:40] <VMGuy23> whats your system
[21:40] <metbsd> old laptop
[21:40] <metbsd> alienware
[21:41] <VMGuy23> it might not support 64-bit... so probably that
[21:43] <metbsd> nope it's 64bit
[21:43] <metbsd> i ran 64bit linux on it before
[21:44] <VMGuy23> hmmmm
[21:45] <VMGuy23> see if Ubuntu Mate works: https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mate/releases/20.10/release/ubuntu-mate-20.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[21:45] <VMGuy23> it could be gnoe doesn't work with your hardware
[21:45] <VMGuy23> *gnome
[21:45] <VMGuy23> but i don't know
[21:46] <nyxyn> ping
[21:46] <metbsd> i'm gonna do a minimal installation of ubuntu server. and then install lubuntu from there i think
[21:47] <metbsd> it should work the same?
[21:47] <VMGuy23> probably
[21:47] <VMGuy23> but maybe not
[21:47] <metbsd> will i be able to tasksel lubuntu?
[21:47] <VMGuy23> ive never used tasksel and have no idea what it is
[21:48] <metbsd> it's that command to select what desktop to use
[21:48] <VMGuy23> could be lubuntu, could be lxqt, i don't know
[21:49] <VMGuy23> im testing it now
[21:50] <metbsd> tasksel?
[21:52] <VMGuy23> just testing Server 20.10 to see that tasksel works
[21:53] <VMGuy23> gtg
[22:00] <VMGuy23> its just finishing installing
[22:01] <VMGuy23> cancelling update
[22:01] <VMGuy23> then ill test metbsd
[22:01] <metbsd> does it work?
[22:01] <metbsd> im installing mini iso
[22:02] <VMGuy23> im installing server iso on a vm right now
[22:04] <VMGuy23> tasksel needs to be installed
[22:05] <VMGuy23> metbsd: you can use "sudo apt install lxqt"
[22:06] <metbsd> bu lxqt is different from lubuntu desktop
[22:06] <VMGuy23> it will install lubuntu version of it
[22:06] <VMGuy23> because it uses ubuntu packages
[22:07] <VMGuy23> and lubuntu uses LDQT
[22:07] <VMGuy23> *LXQT
[22:07] <VMGuy23> you  might need to install LightDM or GDM though
[22:07] <VMGuy23> but yeah, gtg
[22:32] <Toadisattva> for some reason kubuntu network manager on my new laptop completely refuses to find the SSID of my hidden network, which is odd, because I have other laptops also running kubuntu 20.04 that detect it just fine
[22:32] <Toadisattva> not sure why this particular one wants to be troublesome
[22:33] <oerheks> solution could be temporary disable hidden SSID
[22:34] <oerheks> nm should give access to hidden networks in the menu ? https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/net-wireless-hidden.html.en
[22:38] <Toadisattva> it's a thing with kde desktop in particular, normally I'm able to run sudo iwlist "interface" scanning essid "ssid" and it'll pick it up, it does on every other machine running this exact same os
[22:38] <Toadisattva> I'm just really hitting a wall with the why doesn't this one act like all the others
[22:41] <kk4ewt> Toadisattva, you are sure they have the same wifi card
[22:42] <Toadisattva> no they are most certainly different adapters
[22:43] <jeremy31> Toadisattva: unhide the network, connect and save it in Network Manager, then it should work if you hide the SSID again
[22:44] <Toadisattva> tried that, it drops it when I re-hide it
[22:44] <Toadisattva> and then says it can't find it again
[22:48] <jeremy31> Toadisattva: hiding the SSID doesn't make it more secure and it might actually make it a target for some people thinking you have something important
[22:51] <Toadisattva> yes yes I understand that and every thing I can find says just enable the ssid broadcast, but I'm looking for a different work around, it's not a security issue, it's a I don't want to broadcast this network name to the world issue
[22:55] <Toadisattva> unfortunately I think this may be hardware level and not solvable in software, well thanks for helping me brainstorm anyway
[22:56] <jeremy31> Toadisattva: any chance that wifi router is using TKIP encryption?  I know that causes some problems
[22:57] <Toadisattva> nope it's AES
[23:18] <jelly> I'll make a cipher algo and call it CHUCK TESTA
[23:37] <eelstrebor> looks like thunderbird is messed up. must have been an upgrade that prevents me from creating e-mail the way i did a month ago
[23:45] <sybariten> I would very much like the idea of having an ubuntu live USB where i know that a sudo-enabled user always existed, and an ssh server always running when started. What's my simplest method if i want to create something like that?
[23:45] <Muligan> hey fellas, I'm trying to p2v a 20.04 Ubuntu host w/vmWare converter, and i keep getting an error that reports to make sure you can sudo without entering a password, I've verified a ton of things, and I'm even able to log in directly to this host w/root
[23:48] <matsaman> sybariten: I think maybe if you use the 'server' live image
[23:48] <sybariten> oh really?
[23:49] <matsaman> sybariten: other than that, I'd say use sysresccd, you can give it simple boot options to control such things
[23:49] <jelly> Muligan, can you not give the converter thing root and root password instead?
[23:49] <sybariten> ok. Its always good if its ubuntu though... but still
[23:49] <jelly> I haven't used it in years
[23:59] <Muligan> jelly, I've tried that as well
[23:59] <Muligan> same exact result


[08:58] <danfish_wibble> morning
[09:00] <dwatkins> hi folks
[09:00] <daubers> Morning
[09:01] <jacobw> morning guys
[09:02] <dwatkins> my x86_64 machine at home has started randomly rebooting itself, I hope it's not the power supply
[09:02] <dwatkins> has anyone else noticed this with the current AMD driver?
[09:08] <ali1234> dwatkins: no, and i use mine for bitcoin mining
[09:09] <ali1234> just updated it about a week ago too
[09:09] <dwatkins> ali1234: which card do you have?
[09:09] <dwatkins> I think I simply need a more powerful PSU.
[09:09] <dwatkins> Perhaps Ubuntu doesn't handle power management the same as Windows, and spins something additional up after a couple hours which takes it over the threshold and it runs out of amps.
[09:14] <ali1234> dwatkins: 5870
[09:15] <dwatkins> similar to mine, probably needs at least a 750 Watt PSU, I imagine.
[09:15] <ali1234> hah, no
[09:15] <ali1234> i have a 400W PSU
[09:15] <ali1234> and the machine uses no more than 300W at the wall when running at maximum load
[09:16] <dwatkins> hmm, I wonder what else might be causing this, then - unless having two hard disks and a SATA blu-ray drive takes me over the limit of my PSU
[09:16] <JamesTait> Happy Monday, all! :-D
[09:16] <ali1234> maybe but i doubt it
[09:16] <ali1234> the card is about 70% of power usage for me
[09:16] <dwatkins> There's nothing in the logs which suggests a crash, so ran memtest86 over night
[09:17] <dwatkins> Perhaps I should just leave it running for a day or two just to be sure.
[09:19] <popey> can anyone identify the url in this shockingly bad photo? http://popey.com/~alan/whatisthis.jpg ? (bonus points for not pointing out it was taken from a car)
[09:20] <popey> looks like www.pin2... or www.pim2... something
[09:20] <dwatkins> popey: where? on the black car?
[09:20] <popey> yes
[09:21] <dwatkins> will see what I can find out
[09:22] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps
[09:22] <dwatkins> the elephant looks vaguely familiar in the logo
[09:22] <ali1234> pinzyme.com
[09:23] <bigcalm> Was it a bad driver you need to report?
[09:23] <ali1234> checks out, same elephant logo
[09:23] <popey> thanks
[09:23] <ali1234> bigcalm: fo that number plate would be enough :)
[09:24] <bigcalm> ali1234: to the police, sure. But one might want to contact a company 1st
[09:30] <AlanBell> popey: I thought I would try a google reverse image search of the logo
[09:30] <diplo> Morning all
[09:30] <AlanBell> never do that with pink things with safesearch turned off
[09:31] <bigcalm> Nice way to start Monday morning
[09:31] <ali1234> "unless you're into that kind of thing"
[09:31] <bigcalm> AlanBell: your fault for having safe search turned off? :)
[09:32] <popey> I did AlanBell ☺
[09:32] <AlanBell> I hadn't realised that it looked like that at all
[09:32] <popey> and yes, found lots of odd unsavoury images, mostly of faces tho
[09:33] <ali1234> did nobody consider just using autolevels to enhance the image?
[09:34] <mungbean> google image search seems mostly colour matching
[09:35] <popey> i had a fiddle in gimp, but wasn't sure which tool to use tbh
[09:35] <diplo> ali1234: Installing Neccesitas ( sp? ) now, looks good so far though. Thanks for the heads up
[09:37] <ali1234> popey: colours->levels
[09:37] <popey> thanks
[09:37] <ali1234> colour->hue and saturation sometimes helps too
[09:37] <ali1234> though you can do same thing from levels
[09:37] <popey> http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/25/4027018/lg-buys-webos-smart-tv  #blimey
[09:38] <ali1234> in fact there's really only two operations, levels and convolve - these are the raw form of every other function
[09:38] <ali1234> hmm i thought webos went open source?
[09:38] <popey> yeah
[09:38] <ali1234> so... thet bought the development team?
[09:39] <diplo> Last year we heard that LG was working on a smart TV based on Open webOS
[09:40] <diplo>   #blimey
[09:40] <diplo> c&p fail!
[09:41] <diplo> http://www.webosnation.com/gram-working-lg-open-webos-tv
[10:42] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:57] <redtape-renegade> morning .. are the kids still on holiday ?
[10:59] <popey> not ours
[11:00] <diplo> Depends where you are, my kids were off the week before last. So this is their 2nd week back :)
[11:01] <Azelphur> I think in some places it's off for another 2 weeks
[11:05] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:07] <Azelphur> morning
[11:07] <Azelphur> I had a fun morning, told my landlord I'm starting the process of suing him
[11:07] <mgdm> o_O
[11:09] <dwatkins> Azelphur: sounds like fun...
[11:09] <Azelphur> indeed
[11:09] <dwatkins> msy I ask what they did to you?
[11:11] <Azelphur> dwatkins: I've been living here for 4 months with a drain in my driveway with no cover, broken gutters that turn my driveway into a waterfall every time it rains, no letterbox, broken washing machine, oven, extractor fan, fire alarms sounding for up to 6 hour stints while the landlord ignores the "24/7 available emergency phone line" stipulated in the contract, he promised gated access to entice me to move in, then never did it...
[11:11] <dwatkins> Azelphur: crikey :-/ on the up-side, it sounds like you have a strong case
[11:12] <Azelphur> yep
[11:13] <Azelphur> oh also the area outside my house (which is the landlords property, but I have to walk through it to get to my house) is simply disgusting, trash everywhere, it's started accumulating dead animals.
[11:13] <Azelphur> and the lower level has busted drains, so it fills up with up to 3 inches of water, which makes the trash smell even nicer.
[11:13] <brobostigon> :(
[11:13] <Azelphur> nothing like rain water and trash in the morning :P
[11:14] <brobostigon> ewwww
[11:14] <Azelphur> I'm surprised those lower level flats havn't flooded in all honesty
[11:14] <Azelphur> I saw the water right up on their doorstep once
[11:14] <Azelphur> literally 1cm higher and it would have been in
[11:15] <brobostigon> also isnt that illegal, unhygenic living conditions. ?
[11:15] <Azelphur> yep, multiple section 11 violations, breaches of contract, etc
[11:15] <Azelphur> legal advisor told me that I can sue him, get a forced repair order put out, and get compensation
[11:16] <brobostigon> sounds like a good start,
[11:16] <Azelphur> indeed
[11:16] <mgdm> I'd start looking for alternatives, too :-)
[11:17] <Azelphur> mgdm: plenty of alternatives in this road, they just built a really nice new block at the end of the street.
[11:17] <Azelphur> this road has a government restoration project going on, so there's lots of new stuff available.
[13:14] <MsCourtney> Hi
[13:14] <popey> hello
[13:21] <dwatkins> lo
[13:42] <davmor2> hello
[14:29]  * neuro yawns
[14:30] <neuro> oscars are not conducive to sleep
[14:31] <czajkowski> were they any good?
[14:31] <popey> people watch that live!?
[14:31] <popey> *boggle*
[14:32] <neuro> i would have watched it all in one go live
[14:32] <neuro> but i was watching it via NowTV
[14:32] <neuro> (aka Sky's "you don't have to subscribe to Sky to watch Sky Movies" IPTV thing)
[14:32] <neuro> it fell over very hard for about an hour and a quarter about 40 mins into the ceremony
[14:35] <neuro> and considering they'd lured new users in with a 30 day free trial, specifically promoting the fact they'd show the oscars live, it's a bit of a shame
[14:35] <neuro> and compared to netflix, nowtv is a bit of a joke
[14:36] <neuro> very poor catalogue (basically whatever's airing on sky movies right now), poor HD ondemand quality, no HD for live channels (you can watch all the sky movies channels as they air)
[14:36] <neuro> and they seem to crash a lot
[14:36] <neuro> czajkowski: and yes, i thought they were good
[14:37] <neuro> didn't agree with best director, but the right film won best film
[14:38] <neuro> bit of a travesty that affleck wasn't nominated for best dir tho
[14:41] <neuro> popey: but yes, to more succinctly answer your question, because I consider myself a movie buff, yes, I usually watch the Oscars as they air
[14:41] <neuro> lots of people do
[14:45] <popey> yeah, I sit up and watch election results come in, same thing I guess
[14:50] <neuro> it's like watching a football game or a grand prix, i'd rather watch it live and find out the results in real time than have to dodge the news for up to 24h until I see the highlights or a recording :)
[15:27] <BigRedS> Is there an easy way to find out why a package that was once in the repos no longer is?
[15:27] <popey> do you have a specific example or is this a general enq?
[15:28] <BigRedS> yeah, imapsync
[15:28] <BigRedS> but, in general, it seems that there should be a link somewhere in my search results saying why lucid was the last to have it
[15:28] <popey> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=609845
[15:28] <popey> "The author of the software cleary stated, that he wished to no longer
[15:28] <popey> have his software distributed in Debian."
[15:30] <BigRedS> Oh, fair enough. I guess a lot of the time a package falls out of Ubuntu 'cause Debian stops packaging it?
[15:30] <BigRedS> just would be nice to have an easy link for where a package went and what I'm supposed to do instead for any package that I might be expecting to still find
[15:38] <davmor2> Hmmmmmmmm Moby Extreme Ways is a funky tune god bless the bourne trilogy for highlighting it for me :)
[15:41] <mgdm> it's a good tune but it's more or less a clone of one off Play
[15:42] <popey> BigRedS: yeah, i generally just google for "debian dropped <packagename" or "removed" and find out pretty quickly
[15:45] <davmor2> BigRedS: there is the ability to back track on https;//apps.ubuntu.com/cat/  search for the pacakge and then on the package details you can see version numbers, or via packages.ubuntu.com  tracking why it was dropped is something else all together
[15:52] <BigRedS> yeah, it's the why it was dropped that seemed to be something that would be obviously recorded somewhere linked to from the packages record on packages.[ubuntu|debian].[com|org]
[16:07] <davmor2> BigRedS: Yes I think the issue is how to display it if the package no longer exists if that makes sense
[16:17] <BigRedS> yeah
[16:24] <neuro> jings
[16:24] <neuro> €50 for imapsync
[16:26] <redtape-renegade> Went to Port Erin today for a Pint . Told a bloke he'd missed a sport , Bloke wasn't happy :) https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/Lubuntu%20docs/Port%20Erin%20at%202pm.JPG
[16:27] <redtape-renegade> **spot..
[16:45] <MartijnVdS> redtape-renegade: that string is .. incredible
[16:45] <MartijnVdS> how does it stay up?
[16:46] <mgdm> I think it's more an artifact of the panorama generation
[16:48] <MartijnVdS> I know
[16:48] <MartijnVdS> but still!
[16:48] <MartijnVdS> Also... ISLE OF MAN, Y U STEAL SUN!?
[16:48] <MartijnVdS> (or clear skies at least)
[16:51] <SuperMatt> wait, isle of man has sun?
[16:56] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: tax reasons
[16:57] <SuperMatt> oh, of course
[16:58] <SuperMatt> The Sun has got to store all the money he saves for a rainy day
[18:51] <redtape-renegade> MartijnVdS: Hi .. looks like I missed my 15 minutes of fame today ?
[19:05] <ali1234> we seem to have a bit of an explosion of mobile ux...
[19:14] <ubuntubhoy> choice is good ali1234
[19:15] <popey> heh
[19:29] <redtape-renegade> I'm feeling slightly light headed on my left side . Not sure if it's my left ear or brain cancer ?? Is there a Doctor in the house ?
[19:31] <AlanBell> http://hackntalk.eventbrite.com/ weekend after next in London
[19:32] <AlanBell> and a hangout online
[19:32] <redtape-renegade> ooh cool ..
[19:32] <redtape-renegade> opening...
[19:35] <popey> hmm, meeting date needs fixing
[19:35] <davmor2> popey: all the time in the world and you came up with this "Let’s talk about six, baby:" ........... What a steaming pile of Awesome :)
[19:35] <redtape-renegade> mmm London .. do they do raspberry pi stuff ??
[19:35] <popey> "they"?
[19:36] <redtape-renegade> at the meeting ?
[19:36] <davmor2> popey: the collective you then ;)
[19:37] <redtape-renegade> this could possible be a cluster-fcuk  .. Lets address the problems ppl face with this topic to help them.
[19:40] <popey> what?
[19:41] <redtape-renegade> Well how do we get there e.g. ?
[19:41] <popey> where? HackNTalk?
[19:41] <redtape-renegade> yep.
[19:41] <popey> I would use whatever navigation system was at my disposal to get me to the address presented on the web page linked above.
[19:41]  * AlanBell points in the direction of Google + hangouts
[19:42] <redtape-renegade> Can we comment on a webpage, somewhere ?
[19:42]  * AlanBell will be using a train to get there in person
[19:42] <redtape-renegade> Aahh
[19:42]  * AlanBell is slightly confused by the current conversation
[19:42] <redtape-renegade> AlanBell: Is the 'hangout' scheduled ?
[19:42]  * popey is also somewhat confused
[19:43] <redtape-renegade> I'm just ironing out creases..
[19:43] <popey> Oh, I do enjoy ironing
[19:43] <redtape-renegade> AlanBell: Is the 'hangout' scheduled ?
[19:43] <AlanBell> not scheduled yet, things are flexible
[19:44] <ali1234> redtape-renegade: topics are decided on the day
[19:44] <AlanBell> we can leave it running, and there might be other stuff going on that isn't related
[19:44] <ahayzen> is it where the lorry is on Google Street view? in the etc.venues? or is it the next block?
[19:44] <ali1234> it's highly likely raspberry pi will be involved somehow but if not, you can offer to do a presentation yourself
[19:44] <redtape-renegade> Aaah .. I read it is an un-conference type thingy , Oh I get it now .. a kinda drop-in.
[19:44]  * AlanBell has not looked at the venue yet, but I am sure it will be findable
[19:46] <redtape-renegade> So if I get this correct.. it's basically a google  -bash ??
[19:47] <AlanBell> not really
[19:47] <redtape-renegade> oh OK.
[19:47] <AlanBell> the venue happens to belong to Google, and Google hangouts happen to be good video conferencing technology
[19:47] <AlanBell> but other than that Google is uninvolved
[19:48] <ahayzen> AlanBell, who is expected to be attending?
[19:48] <redtape-renegade> Will ubuntupodcast uk be doing interviews on the day for the podcast ?
[19:48] <AlanBell> me \o/
[19:48] <AlanBell> and possibly some others
[19:49] <ahayzen> :)
[19:52] <popey> redtape-renegade: possibly, if one (or more) of us goes
[19:52] <redtape-renegade> popey: cool.
[19:53] <redtape-renegade> cant wait till the 27th.
[20:17]  * redtape-renegade requires a shave ..
[20:38] <bubu\a> hey dudes, any reason why I'm getting this trying to get to my router on a new isntall of 12.10? ssh: Could not resolve hostname <IP_ADDRESS>:2222: Name or service not known
[20:39] <bubu\a> the ports open and I can ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:39] <Azelphur> bubu\a: route -n | pastebinit
[20:41] <bubu\a> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5565843/
[20:41] <bubu\a> looks ok no?
[20:42] <Azelphur> yea, says your router is <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:42] <Azelphur> so, dunno, odd.
[20:42] <bubu\a> i know
[20:42] <bubu\a> wtf
[20:42] <Azelphur> bubu\a: what happens if you telnet <IP_ADDRESS> 22
[20:43] <bubu\a> I can hit it, get the banner
[20:43] <bubu\a> i
[20:44] <Azelphur> that means your ssh server is running on port 22 not 2222 ;)
[20:44] <bubu\a> no its running on 2222
[20:44] <bubu\a> i tenetted to 2222
[20:44] <Azelphur> ah ok, odd then
[20:53]  * dwatkins suspects he is hitting bug 561210
[20:54] <dwatkins> I increases the wsize and rsize sysctl values for a couple network parameters and the system hasn't rebooted itself this time around
[21:04] <redtape-renegade> AlanBell: Profiled haz I ?? https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/Lubuntu%20docs/Singles%20advert.png
[21:18] <redtape-renegade> http://youtu.be/u0I7dByeTt4?t=15m9s Nice .. I want one ...
[21:21] <MartijnVdS> redtape-renegade: three laps around the Isle and it's empty :P
[21:27] <redtape-renegade> MartijnVdS: Haha ! .. I liked your posts earlier .. v. true.
[21:28] <MartijnVdS> Time for sleep.. more openwrt + 802.11s tomorrow :)
[21:30] <redtape-renegade> ok good luck .. my continental friend :)
[21:31] <popey> blimey, he's a terrible public speaker
[21:37] <czajkowski> popey: who is ?
[21:38] <ali1234> the tesla guy
[21:43] <redtape-renegade> popey, true , but he chooses his sentences carefully.. thats why he's a billionaire ..
[21:43] <ali1234> he's a billionaire because he founded paypal
[21:47] <AlanBell> very nice car though
[21:49] <popey> yes, very nice car#
[21:49] <popey> redtape-renegade: he so doesn't choose sentences carefully
[21:51] <AlanBell> that wasn't well rehearsed, he should have had an autocue
[21:52] <popey> yeah
[21:52] <popey> he said a few negative things about the car, which you should never do in a product launch
[21:53] <AlanBell> indeed, he said it was awkward getting into the third row or something
[21:59] <AlanBell> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/Elon_Musk.jpg/320px-Elon_Musk.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/31/ZeframCochrane1.jpg you be the judge
[22:01] <popey> hah
[22:42] <dwatkins> ali1234: my machine seems to have stopped rebooting itself since I implemented the sysctl changes in bug 561210, despite it being logged against a much older kernel :)
[22:43] <ali1234> wow... i don't use NFS
[22:43] <ali1234> never had anything but bad experiences with it
[22:44] <dwatkins> ali1234: what do you use to cross-mount filesystems between linux boxen?
[22:44] <ali1234> i don't
[22:44] <dwatkins> ahh :)
[22:44] <ali1234> i just scp everything
[22:44] <ali1234> i only have one "computer" anyway
[22:44] <ali1234> and the mythtv
[22:44] <dwatkins> fair enough, I tend to mount filesystems and use them as an extension to my local disk, keeping media on them etc.
[22:44] <ali1234> but that streams on it's own protocol
[22:45] <ali1234> i have a NAS... it runs samba i guess. i dunno, it just appears in "my network"
[22:45] <dwatkins> I like messing around with getting all my media accessible from every device, including the Raspberry Pi and the xbox.
[22:45] <ali1234> or whatever ubuntu calls it
[22:45] <ali1234> might be using the apple sharing stuff actually
[22:45] <ali1234> it "just works"
[22:45]  * dwatkins nods
[22:45] <dwatkins> I might see if I can mount via AFP, seeing as I have it setup for my laptop
[22:46] <dwatkins> looks like it's not built-in
[22:48] <dwatkins> hmm, that's way too many i386 packages for worrying about at bedtime, will have a look tomorrow, ttfn folks