[07:13] <knightwise> morning
[10:19] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[14:38] <knightwise> Morning brobostigon
[14:38] <knightwise> how are you doing
[14:39] <brobostigon> afternoon knightwise, alittle on the cold sign, my eczema could be better, and you?
[14:39] <brobostigon> side*
[16:04] <knightwise> Doing ok , looking for a simple solution to backup my files to my inlaws
[16:04] <knightwise> had google cloud storage for a year with my chromebook and that trail is running out
[16:08] <brobostigon> :) :(
[16:09] <knightwise> I have a synology nas with this private cloud dropbox like client
[16:09] <knightwise> think i'll run that on a remote machine, plop it over there and run local backups
[16:10] <knightwise> looks like the simplest solution.
[16:10] <knightwise> If I can run mate on my old netbook i'll be able to pull that off
[16:10] <brobostigon> i use owncloud on my server for that same job.
[16:10] <brobostigon> :)
[16:10] <knightwise> yeah , but I dont have a static ip
[16:11] <brobostigon> dyndns?
[16:11] <knightwise> never syncs up right, plus I would like to have as few open ports on my router as i can
[16:11] <brobostigon> ah ok, i havent ever used dyndns.
[16:16] <knightwise> I guess I also could use owncloud and some owncloud clients but since i have the synology system running anyway....
[16:16] <knightwise> and i use it quite a lot for our company
[16:17] <brobostigon> :)
[16:39] <awilkins> I have mum on Syncthing
[16:40] <awilkins> Std. Dega-dup backup to a synced folder, linked to my NAS
[16:41] <brobostigon> beer o'clock, :)
[16:42] <knightwise> awilkins: remote ?
[16:42] <awilkins> knightwise, Yup, Syncthing pretty much handles tunnel punching
[16:43] <awilkins> Haven't had to fiddle with DNS or port routing
[16:43] <awilkins> You just have to copy a big ID value from one to the other
[16:43] <knightwise> so ... files on my nas , syncthing on my home server and syncthing on my remote machine ?
[16:43] <awilkins> Syncthing where the files are
[16:44] <awilkins> Accessible anyway
[16:44] <awilkins> If your NAS is too dumb to run syncthing, run it on the sevrer
[16:44] <awilkins> Mine has a package of Syncthing (ASUSTOR)
[16:44] <knightwise> ah ok
[16:44] <knightwise> gonna see if there is one for synology
[16:45] <knightwise> there is one but its a little buggy , so i might be better off running it on my server
[16:46] <knightwise> upside is I can run in on a raspberry pi
[16:46] <awilkins> I like it. Even has an Android build, I'd use it for transferring comic files to my tablet to read.
[16:47] <knightwise> hmmm.. starting to sound more and more interesting !
[16:48] <awilkins> If I didn't have close to 10GB of files in Dropbox I'd probably just use that exclusively
[16:49] <awilkins> I had mum on Copy.com for cloud backups but they went belly-up
[16:49] <awilkins> It needs a wee taskbar applet
[16:49] <knightwise> awilkins: does it store those comics offline on your tablet ?
[16:49] <awilkins> knightwise, Yup
[16:50] <knightwise> ok , gonna give it a try
[16:50] <awilkins> Probably good for managing your music collection too
[16:50] <awilkins> I wonder how it deals with symlinks
[16:51]  * awilkins wonders if you can symlink a bunch of music into a synced folder and have it transferred to your phone
[16:51]  * knightwise *eyes twinkle*
[16:53] <awilkins> My partner works for a music college and they have to transfer audition recordings from China to their file server
[16:53] <awilkins> They always have a load of problems because of crap wifi and L-class users
[16:54] <awilkins> I said they should use this because it can resume broken connections. Dunno if it tunnels through the great firewall though.
[16:54] <awilkins> But def. easy to use
[16:55] <awilkins> Just set it up to sync a folder and say to user "Drop file in folder. File go to cloud. Ug."
[17:38] <zmoylan-pi> at least no one submits their music in word doc files i suppose... :-P
[17:47] <knightwise> I call that "cloud bouncing"
[17:47] <knightwise> allows you to do stuff offline (or on a wonky connection) and "bounce" it up to the cloud whenever you have a good connection
[18:31] <zmoylan-pi> i sometimes wish someone made a more accessible whisper net like the original kindle had... a low transfer rate, cheap, in the background network...
[18:46] <ikonia> popey: you around
[19:39] <daftykins> or asquare!
[19:40] <daftykins> evening all \o
[19:40] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[19:57]  * zmoylan-pi remembers to pack generic toblerone for tomorrows game...
[19:57] <zmoylan-pi> trapezoid instead of triangular
[19:57] <daftykins> :D
[19:58] <daftykins> i've not finished the one i acquired the other day!
[19:58] <zmoylan-pi> full tobler or tobler-lite
[19:59] <daftykins> i think it says 360g on the side and doesn't seem to have large flat sections, so i might be ok
[19:59]  * penguin42 seems to have done particularly well on the discount-chocolate acquisition this year; I've got a truly silly amount
[19:59] <zmoylan-pi> otherwise the shop will get a drive by tobleroning
[19:59] <daftykins> ah no it is a shrunk one, doesn't seem all that bad though
[20:00] <zmoylan-pi> i wouldn't mind if they had just reduced the size but to keep the same size box seems deceptive
[20:04] <daftykins> yip
[20:05] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: Yeh
[20:05] <daftykins> one benefit to the gap is you have further space to push them over to have them snap cleanly :D
[20:06] <zmoylan-pi> they always snapped cleanly for me
[20:06] <zmoylan-pi> unless they were the giant ones and had been in the freezer when they sometimes needed to be bounced off furniture
[20:06] <daftykins> :>
[20:07] <daftykins> when i get a chocolate orange i roll them down the steps past the cat
[20:08]  * zmoylan-pi wonders what shapes the generic chocolate oranges come in... pineapple? :-)
[20:09] <daftykins> ask Terry
[20:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[23:02] <popey> ikonia: hello
[23:03] <popey> ikonia: also, I got a second bluetooth 8bitdo controller for xmas, so now can do two player games. Played 20 levels of 2 player Gauntlet in MAME with my 13 year old daughter :)
[23:04] <ikonia> popey: just got mine working, I thought I'd share the 50 minute shame of trying to get it to blue tooth pair and not understand why it couldn't see the device
[23:04] <popey> heh
[23:04] <ikonia> I'd plugged the SD card into my pi2 rather than pi3, so no inbuilt bluetooth, wasted 50 minutes of shame
[23:04] <popey> hahaha :D
[23:04] <popey> excellent
[23:05] <ikonia> put the sd in the pi3, 3 seconds later, 4 8bitdo controllers paired
[23:05] <ikonia> idiot
[23:05] <daftykins> XD
[23:05] <popey> 4!
[23:05] <popey> nice
[23:05] <popey> which ones did you get?
[23:05] <ikonia> 6 actually, only 4 paired
[23:05] <popey> flexiondotorg got the ones with dual analogs
[23:05] <popey> blimey
[23:06] <ikonia> got 2 x nes 30 pro, 1 x sfc, 1 x snes, and 2 of the arcade stick ones
[23:06] <popey> i have the SNES30 and SFC30 so I can tell player 1 from player 2
[23:06] <ikonia> really liked them so went in hard
[23:06] <popey> awesome
[23:06] <popey> had much time to play?
[23:06] <ikonia> playing snes games needed the snes controller, the nes 30 pro was for generic stuff and the arcade stuff for sf2 /mk etc
[23:06] <ikonia> not much to be honest, starting this week,
[23:06] <ikonia> really enjoyed what I have played though
[23:07] <ikonia> re-completed super mario world at %100
[23:07] <ikonia> that brough back my youth
[23:07] <ikonia> finally got it hooked into the main TV/sound system
[23:07] <ikonia> it's shockingly good for what it is
[23:07] <popey> Yeah
[23:07] <popey> I know flexiondotorg has done some fettling to get the nice backgrounds and old style tv effects
[23:07] <popey> I didn't do that on mine
[23:08] <ikonia> I've not got all the artwork or stuff setup yet
[23:08] <ikonia> going to sort that when I've got the game layout nice
[23:09] <daftykins> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Framemeister-N-XRGB-Mini-Upscaler-Unit-DP3913547-From-Japan-/181327242059
[23:09] <daftykins> those things have gone up in price like crazy
[23:10] <ikonia> good lord
[23:10] <ikonia> $800 !
[23:10] <popey> I managed to get the pi to put out the right res for the screen, so I can play R-Type on a big telly with decent sound now :)
[23:10] <popey> happy days
[23:11] <ikonia> I need to check the res on mine, I'm %99 it's right
[23:12] <daftykins> i never had a *NES
[23:12] <popey> me either
[23:13] <popey> didnt have any consoles really.
[23:13] <daftykins> i had a lot of gameboy accessories mind you :D over the top light, battery pack...
[23:13] <popey> well, we had some odd orange thing under the telly in the 1970s/80s
[23:13] <daftykins> o0
[23:13] <popey> then a game boy much later
[23:13] <daftykins> that's fruit, sir :D
[23:13] <popey> lemme find a pic, it's mad
[23:13] <ikonia> daftykins: I remember all those gameboy things, I had them, the magnigier, etc
[23:14] <ikonia> battery pack
[23:14] <daftykins> :D
[23:14] <popey> http://www.old-computers.com/Museum/computer.asp?st=3&c=933
[23:14] <popey> that kind of thing
[23:14] <daftykins> i think you stole that from Blake's 7, popey :>
[23:14] <popey> http://www.playerschoicegames.com/hanimex7771.JPG
[23:14] <popey> haha
[23:15] <popey> it had 4 games, Tennis, Doubles, squash and .. practice i think
[23:15] <popey> like pong at home
[23:15] <popey> was bloody awful, but all we had in 1980 or so
[23:16] <daftykins> :>
[23:16] <zmoylan-pi> had one of those in late 70s, one with a gun though
[23:16] <popey> get you!
[23:17] <popey> I found a boxed one on ebay a while back and was tempted
[23:17] <popey> force the kids to play it as punishment
[23:18] <zmoylan-pi> *pew* *pew* *pew* http://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/9dc26b84742f00841a40244d3c3241bf-650-80.jpg
[23:18] <daftykins> "Dad we're gaming but we're not even remotely having fun!"
[23:19] <daftykins> "how long must we do this? ;_; "
[23:19] <zmoylan-pi> they were incredible fun as long as you had a human opponent.  one player it was very boring
[23:19] <zmoylan-pi> humans are sneaky
[23:19] <daftykins> damn them!
[23:19] <popey> I recently played Nemesis (classic shoot em up) in MAME, and it has a warm up for 40 seconds before it starts, Sam said "did games really do this when you were young!?" I said yes, and he said "I feel sorry for you"
[23:20] <popey> zmoylan-pi: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/binatone-tv-master-4-plus-2-and-gun-/322373820593?hash=item4b0efa20b1:g:yKgAAOSwB09YFiMs
[23:20] <popey> re-live the.. uh.. magic
[23:20] <daftykins> warm up? like it goes easy on you?
[23:20] <zmoylan-pi> we waited 5 minutes to load games in my day and we glad of it!!! (gave me time to do my homework :-P )
[23:21] <daftykins> haha
[23:21] <zmoylan-pi> that binatone is the exact make and model... thank you popey
[23:22] <popey> :)
[23:22] <popey> heh
[23:22]  * daftykins does the wobbly lines to let zmoylan-pi have a flashback
[23:22] <zmoylan-pi> to make it harder i used to use a mirror on wall opposite to tv...
[23:22] <popey> no, warmup as in the physical components need to warm up
[23:22] <popey> like valves
[23:22] <daftykins> ooooh i see
[23:22] <ikonia> perfect timing, bluetooth just broke on all my 8bitdo devices
[23:22] <ikonia> it's just lost all the devices
[23:22] <popey> odd
[23:22] <popey> reboot?
[23:22] <daftykins> ikonia: now Christmas really begins
[23:23] <ikonia> just dont it
[23:23] <ikonia> daftykins: just sat down to really enjoy it
[23:23] <ikonia> popey: nah, reboot did nothing, can't even see them at the OS level, I'll investigate
[23:23] <popey> :S
[23:23] <ikonia> comedy gold, after claiming sucess
[23:23] <popey> yeah, sorry about that :D
[23:24] <ikonia> comedy gold, after claiming sucess
[23:24] <ikonia> oops
[23:24] <daftykins> nah it was worth saying twice
[23:24] <ikonia> sorry, buffer there
[23:33] <daftykins> i just discovered that there's a leak on the sealant around my shower tray, so my shower has been running through the floorboards and onto the ceiling below, then onto the floor there
[23:33] <daftykins> kinda wished it was the soil pipe leaking so i could go the insurance route
[23:36] <daftykins> i'm told you get blamed for the lack of maintenance if it's just sealant leaking, so you can't try insurance :<
[23:38] <penguin42> actually it can be really hard to find the leak; we spent a few months trying to stop mine leaking
[23:39] <daftykins> oof
[23:40] <daftykins> ah well i can see a black line where the tray meets the tile, the shower head was spraying onto there so i saw the drip drip... then i ran it again and aimed it away closer to the door, no drip drip
[23:43] <daftykins> could really do with redoing that room
[23:48] <zmoylan-pi> or install a sonic shower to eliminate leaks... :-P
[23:50] <daftykins> ^_^
[23:52] <zmoylan-pi> inventor of kinder suprise dies...
[23:53] <penguin42> was that a surprise?
[23:53] <daftykins> heart attack on receiving own invention for Christmas?
[23:55] <zmoylan-pi> he also helped invention of ferrero rocher so i hope a few ambassadors attend the funeral... :-P
[23:56] <daftykins> only the really badly dubbed ones!
[23:57] <zmoylan-pi> the toys used to be great in the 80s with pull back motors and tiny meccano sets but current ones are awful


[00:44] <RAOF> You know what's totally awesome? When packages get released from -proposed without a comment and then someone marks the bug as verification-done, also without comment.
[00:55] <infinity> RAOF: ?
[01:00] <RAOF> infinity: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1186273
[01:00] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1186273 in network-manager (Ubuntu Quantal) "DUN via bluetooth with a password fails" [High,Fix committed]
[01:01] <cyphermox_> moo?
[01:02] <RAOF> Baaaa
[01:02] <RAOF> cyphermox_: Oh, you're highlighted on network-manager? :P
[01:02] <cyphermox_> ssshh
[01:03] <cyphermox_> RAOF: I don't think it has been released, but I'll talk to jpds tomorrow
[01:03] <RAOF> cyphermox_: Check the bug, comment #22 - it's been released to raring.
[01:04] <cyphermox_> oh right
[01:04] <cyphermox_> and I was parsing that as longer ago than it really is
[01:04] <cyphermox_> I doubt the part about verification done on precise though
[01:05] <cyphermox_> I'll double-check with the responsible parties tomorrow, in the meantime I've reverted the tag, if that's ok with you
[01:06] <RAOF> cyphermox_: Yeah, that's fine.
[01:08] <RAOF> Yes! A successful linux-firmware verification!
[01:19] <infinity> RAOF: raring... The same raring that's EOL?
[01:20] <RAOF> infinity: Yeah, that raring. Did it's EOL status trigger acceptance of everything in raring-proposed?
[01:20] <infinity> No.
[01:20] <infinity> bdmurray released it.
[01:20] <infinity> But EOL should trigger empyting the -proposed pocket, so I'll go delete anything else in there.
[01:21] <infinity> ... if there is anything else.
[01:21] <infinity> Although, I'm not sure if we've ever done that in the past.
[01:21] <infinity> Not like it hurts to archive it with the pending proposed bits frozen in time.
[01:22] <infinity> And, indeed, previous releases were EOLed with stuff still in proposed, so meh.
[05:34] <infinity> Comment: NBS
[05:34] <infinity> 354 packages successfully removed.
[05:34] <infinity> Why is that so satisfying every time?
[06:41] <cjwatson> Who accepted cloud-init/precise-proposed?
[06:43] <cjwatson> It's not on CD images as far as I can see, so maybe it's OK - but please check with me before accepting anything into precise-proposed until 12.04.4 is out, as mentioned on -devel-announce
[06:44] <cjwatson> (Or copying anything into precise-updates)
[06:45] <cjwatson> chrisccoulson: re firefox, I'm not going to wait for it; if I have to respin and include it, so be it, otherwise people will pick it up on upgrades
[06:47] <RAOF> cjwatson: 'twas me, sorry.
[07:14] <cjwatson> RAOF: ok, no problem in this case :)
[09:11] <xnox> cjwatson: cloud-init is on the cloud-images however - http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/precise/current/precise-server-cloudimg-i386.manifest and takes 6h+ to respin all of those.
[09:12] <cjwatson> I guess that's up to utlemming_.  it's not in -updates yet
[11:48]  * apw notes compiz in trusty appears to be borked
[11:52] <xnox> apw: yeah, there was protobuf abi break which is progress to be fixed.
[11:54] <ogra_> it is fixed, ou could pull the deb from -proposed
[11:54] <apw> xnox, how did that not get noticed by versioning and get stuck by britney etc
[11:55] <ogra_> (might be good to actually get feedback if compiz is fine with it again)
[11:55] <apw> ogra_, ack
[11:55] <ogra_> apw, non exported symbol change
[11:55] <ogra_> (i.e. ABI change without bump)
[11:55] <apw> if the symbol isn't exported then noone could be using it :)
[11:56] <ogra_> a symbol was changed and not properly exported (as i understood)
[11:57] <ogra_> anyway, try the libprotobuf from proposed and see if it helps
[11:57]  * ogra_ only tested on phone
[12:00] <apw> ogra_, confirming that upgrading to that fixes my machine
[12:03]  * apw notes that these binaries are blocked in proposed
[12:05] <ogra_> apw, well, i think cjwatson can unleash it
[12:06] <ogra_> seems like a manual block
[12:10] <apw> yeah waiting on testing on the phone, we are doing some more testing here as well; though it seems to have fixed my compiz and mumble
[12:17] <cjwatson> apw: protobuf doesn't have .symbols files, so no fine-grained checking of exported symbols
[12:17] <cjwatson> that should be fixed, but I'm only driving-by this ...
[13:14] <apw> cjwatson, makes sensew
[16:25] <stgraber> LTSP on Edubuntu hangs at boot time somehow, trying to figure out what's causing this...
[16:26] <infinity> stgraber: Poorly-written software would be my guess.
[16:26] <infinity> *duck*
[16:27] <cjwatson> stgraber: precise?
[16:27] <stgraber> infinity: :) well, looking at the bit of code that seems to be hanging, my first guess would be "the kernel", so I very much hope I'm wrong ;)
[16:27] <stgraber> cjwatson: yep, precise
[16:28] <infinity> stgraber: I think the kernel would fall into my description of the problem.
[16:28] <infinity> But yes, here's hoping it's not that.
[16:29] <infinity> We're somewhere between "way too late" and "hahaha" for timing on pushing another kernel to 12.04.4
[16:29] <mdeslaur> lol
[16:29] <apw> stgraber, got a pointer to the code which is hanging
[16:32] <stgraber> apw: oh actually, there's one line at the end of that initrd script which I didn't see which seems a whole more likely to cause the problem I'm seeing than the rest of the script.
[16:32] <stgraber> apw: the rest of the script just does tmpfs, bind-mounts and move mounts, none of which are terribly likely to be broken in interesting ways that we didn't notice already
[16:33] <stgraber> apw: the one line I didn't notice before on the other end is chrooting into the system and running a command, so my current guess is that something's going wrong in whatever it's running
[17:21] <stgraber> apw: so it looks like the hang comes from "chroot $rootmnt test -w /" over a nbd mounted squashfs + overlayfs on top
[17:22] <stgraber> apw: apparently I can list the whole fs just fine (find $rootmnt), though reading data from it causes the hang, digging some more
[17:23] <stgraber> though, that's with a 3.2 kernel (Edubuntu uses the 3.2 kernel for LTSP due to a lot of our users having non-pae hardware), so now I'm really confused as to how this regressed
[17:29] <apw> stgraber, well its not changing a whole heap thats for sure being so very old
[17:41] <apw> stgraber, what kernel would the last tested known good kernel have been in this form
[17:42] <stgraber> apw: it sure used to work when we released 12.04.3, so whatever the current 3.2 was at that time. I'm testing a few downgrades now to see if it's that simple (in which case, we're pretty much screwed for 12.04.4 but at least I don't need to do emergency ltsp updates)
[17:42]  * apw wonders how to figure out the .3 2.6.32 kernel
[17:48] <stgraber> apw: edubuntu 12.04.3 lts had 3.2.0-52.78, I'll start by downgrading to that one and see if things work as expected, then try some random ones in between
[17:48] <xnox> stgraber: could be related to "fixed nfsroot" with hwe kernels as part of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/1217041
[17:48] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1217041 in initramfs-tools (Ubuntu Saucy) "initramfs-tools: please include separated nfs modules" [Undecided,Fix released]
[17:49] <xnox> stgraber: which in turn regressed 12.04.0 kernel?
[17:49] <apw> stgraber, the manifest for the edubuntu 12.04.3 seems to contains the lts-raring kernel, so i assume its somewhere else ?
[17:50] <stgraber> apw: yeah, we only ship the -pae 3.2 kernel for LTSP which is in a ltsp.img squashfs on the iso image and doesn't appear in the manifest
[17:51] <stgraber> apw: I figured out the version of the 3.2 kernel based on that of linux-libc-dev in the 12.04.3 manifest which does match whatever 3.2 kernel was current at the time
[17:51] <apw> stgraber, ok no changes in squashfs or overlayfs for the range you mention, a small delta in nfs
[17:56] <apw> stgraber, what filesytem type is the overlay writable layer
[17:57] <ogra_> in LTSP ?
[17:57] <ogra_> thats tmpfs
[17:57] <apw> yes
[17:57] <apw> nothing there either then
[17:58] <ogra_> any nbd changes perhaps ?
[17:58] <ogra_> the squashfs gets provided via nbd
[17:58] <ogra_> (or could the nfs changes have influenced nbd)
[17:58] <stgraber> apw: ro layer is nbd mounted squashfs, rw layer is tmpfs, though the hang happens even before I mount the overlay
[17:59] <apw> there is some hcange to nbD
[17:59] <ogra_> there we go :)
[17:59] <stgraber> gah, just reproduced the same hang with 3.2.0-52-generic-pae, so now I'm really really confused
[18:00] <stgraber> alright, screw those VMs, I want to see the same thing on actual hardware before I dig any deeper into that mess...
[18:01] <apw> ogra_, the change there is only at disconnect time, which would be on unmount i assume i this case; and we anr't doing that normal startup and use is unchanged
[18:01] <apw> stgraber, so "it never worked" is where we are, erp
[18:02] <ogra_> heh
[18:03] <stgraber> apw: well, Edubuntu 12.04.3 certainly worked or we wouldn't have released it, now I just need to figure out what's causing the change in behaviour... the squashfs is clearly valid, the nbd server seems to work (as I can mount and read the image without any trouble from another box), so I'm left with either a very very weird bug or kvm playin tricks on me
[18:03] <stgraber> I'm currently very much hoping on the latter
[18:16] <stgraber> apw: works fine on actual hardware... so I have no idea what's going on with nbd over kvm's network/bridges here but whatever, it works on metal and that's all we care about
[18:17] <ogra_> \m/
[18:17] <ogra_> metal ...
[19:47] <apw> stgraber, nnng, sounds good in the sense it is releaseable, sounds bad in the sense it implies that kvm networking is bored on your host or something
[19:53] <stgraber> apw: doh, just found what's wrong, not sure how it go that way though
[19:54] <stgraber>           UP BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1442  Metric:1
[19:56] <apw> stgraber, mtu ?  that looks familiar
[19:56] <apw> like an ipv6 tunnel size or something
[19:57] <stgraber> yeah, I don't know why that bridge's mtu went down to 1442 especially as it's only used for internal VM networking, it's not connected to any external device which may have caused the mtu change...
[19:57] <stgraber> anyway, setting it back to 1500 fixes all my issues, so that's good.
[19:57] <apw> it is slightly worrying that nbd is so sensitive to mtu
[19:58] <stgraber> well, my guess is that: VM1 has mtu 1500, bridge on host has mtu 1442, VM2 has mtu 1500
[19:58] <stgraber> so any packet larger than 1442 will magically disappear
[19:59] <stgraber> because the host only runs the bridge, it's not routing or anything so won't fragment properly, as far as both VMs are concerned, they have a mtu 1500 link so have no reason to fragment either
[20:03] <apw> stgraber, that sounds rather plausible yes
[22:22] <michagogo|cloud> When does Ubuntu 12.04.4 get released?
[22:25] <infinity> michagogo|cloud: Some time tomorrow.
[22:26] <michagogo|cloud> There isn't a specific set time?
[22:33] <infinity> michagogo|cloud: Nope.  There never is.  "When it's ready".
[22:33] <michagogo|cloud> What defines "Ready"?
[22:34] <knome> michagogo|cloud, when the release team thinks it's okay to release. there is no exact answer for your question, so please, stop asking
[22:35] <michagogo|cloud> Okay. What's the best way to find out that it's happened?
[22:37] <knome> follow the ubuntu-announce mailing list
[22:39] <cjwatson> *Probably* some time tomorrow.  Point releases have a bit more permissible slippage (though I'd prefer not to have to slip the date).
[22:45] <elfy> cjwatson: I marked those two ^^ tracker won't let me mark the alternates for some reason - but they are
[22:45] <michagogo|cloud> What does that mean?
[22:45] <knome> cjwatson, thanks for all the help.
[22:45] <elfy> yep +1 to that :)
[22:46] <knome> michagogo|cloud, the xubuntu team considers the xubuntu desktop images ready to be published.
[22:46] <michagogo|cloud> Ahh


[00:26] <xnox> cjwatson, wgrant - could you check what's up with https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/elixir-lang/1.1.0~0.20150708-1/+build/8373458 ? i presume it's hung, it should build in like 4h, not 4 days...
[00:26] <xnox> run away process or some such?
[00:41] <wgrant> xnox: IIRC it hangs on lots of architectures, but let's see.
[00:42] <wgrant> buildd   59940  0.0  0.0   4972  2056 ?        S    Dec11   0:00 epmd
[00:43]  * xnox ponders if at the end of binary it should try to killall epmd ;-)
[00:43] <wgrant> xnox: The build has now finished.
[00:44] <xnox> cool, thanks
[00:44] <xnox> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/elixir-lang/+bug/1525734
[00:44] <mup> Bug #1525734: builds hangs sometimes <elixir-lang (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1525734>


[12:29] <scott-work> good morning
[12:30] <scott-work> astraljava: have you had time to get the latest updates pushed to the repos?
[12:30] <scott-work> astraljava: if not, can i help get this done?  is there someone you usually bug about this?


[08:07] <FatalError> hello everyone
[08:07] <FatalError> I have a wierd feeling today
[08:07] <AlanBell> hi FatalError
[08:07] <FatalError> that ubuntu 9.10 is faster than 11.04 on my notebook
[08:08] <FatalError> maybe I just have to clean up the hard drive and do some tuning
[08:09] <AlanBell> I got a new SSD and did a fresh install of precise (12.04) and it is like a new computer
[08:09] <FatalError> I use ubuntu for learning, because it does not has that much games :D
[08:10] <AlanBell> I don't really play games but it seems there are more games on the way for Ubuntu
[08:10] <FatalError> I can see it too
[08:10] <FatalError> game developers  start to care about other operating systems
[08:11] <FatalError> well, because ubuntu is a success
[08:11] <FatalError> I kinda miss good-old gnome
[08:11] <FatalError> not gnome3
[08:12] <FatalError> because of gnome-do
[08:12] <AlanBell> gnome-session-fallback is rather good
[08:12] <AlanBell> but not in 11.04
[08:12] <AlanBell> in 12.04 it is really good
[08:12] <FatalError> I have it on my PC, it's just working great!
[08:13] <FatalError> I really hope that Adobe is going to fix some Flash Player issues for Linux
[08:13] <AlanBell> they won't
[08:14] <AlanBell> they have given up, it was always dreadful code
[08:14] <AlanBell> I think they might do an update for chromium, but for firefox it is the end of the line for flash
[08:15] <FatalError> This is probably the only reason why I dualboot ubuntu and windows
[08:15] <FatalError> I love to play some 3D Browser games
[08:15] <AlanBell> webgl is the way forward for 3d browser stuff
[08:15] <FatalError> because they are cross-platform and not that heavy as client ones
[08:16] <AlanBell> can flash do 3d?
[08:16] <FatalError> yes
[08:16] <FatalError> For now, flah is a bit ahead of webgl
[08:18] <FatalError> but by watching how fast webgl improves itself, I guess it will get better for sure
[08:18] <AlanBell> at least it is possible to write stuff that outputs webgl
[08:18] <FatalError> true
[08:19] <AlanBell> I can do a 3d visualisation of a dataset from some system using webgl
[08:19] <AlanBell> I used to do that a bit with vrml
[08:19] <FatalError> I think that youtube is switching to html5
[08:21] <FatalError> Chromium web cache is ridiculous
[08:21] <FatalError> I had no space left on my hard drive
[08:21] <FatalError> then I cleared the browsing data
[08:22] <FatalError> and I got 5 Gigabytes of free space
[08:24] <FatalError> got to go
[16:07] <bodhi_zazen> Oh new channel
[16:08] <Sidewinder> :-)
[16:10] <Sidewinder> I am in the process of reading and trying {unsuccessfully, so far} to digest this: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-June/035445.html
[16:10] <Sidewinder> And what's more, the actual ramifications..
[16:21] <AlanBell> hi bodhi_zazen and Sidewinder
[16:21] <Sidewinder> Good Afternoon AlanBell.
[16:22] <AlanBell> secure boot is going to be a bit of a mess
[16:23] <AlanBell> http://al.robotfuzz.com/ some really good articles on it (and howtos) here
[16:39] <Sidewinder> AlanBell, Thank you very much for the above; they'll certainly go on my list of "items for perusal." :)
[17:12] <IdleOne> Sidewinder: could you please join #ubuntu-ops when you have a minute.
[17:12] <Sidewinder> Certainly... Joining now..
[21:18] <MrChrisDruif> Poor sil
[23:07] <bkerensa> So has anyone installed OpenPhoto on their Ubuntu servers yet? :)