[03:22] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[05:37] <marcoagpinto> Hey
[05:38] <daftykins> good morning
[05:38] <marcoagpinto> Good morning!
[05:38] <marcoagpinto> the latest update for 20.04 fixed the .deb files
[05:38] <marcoagpinto> they now install after a double-click
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> i didnt get updates here
[05:39] <marcoagpinto> lotuspsychje: Have you clicked in the update app?
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> was your system not up to date when you tested that?
[05:39] <daftykins> i wouldn't find that too important, it's the wrong way to get software and only one of many ways to install a .deb
[05:39] <marcoagpinto> it was
[05:40] <marcoagpinto> the first thing I do when I run my VMs is to click in the update app
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> marcoagpinto: lol i know howto update my system
[05:40] <marcoagpinto> :)
[05:40] <marcoagpinto> so, the fix was only today
[05:40] <marcoagpinto> yesterday ther was no fix
[05:40] <marcoagpinto> there*
[10:26] <lotuspsychje> welcome MdAyq0
[10:27] <MdAyq0> Dear users, does anyone know why xpdf has not been taken to focal?
[10:32] <ducasse> is there a wiki page that confirms what's said in !ltsupgrade?
[10:33] <daftykins> MdAyq0: i imagine there are many tools which achieve the same
[10:34] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: looking around
[10:34] <lotuspsychje> !lts
[10:35] <MdAyq0> daftykins xpdf allows magnification over 1000%. Evince, the viewer of gnome, doesn't go over 400%.
[10:35] <daftykins> why do you want that level of zoom?
[10:35] <daftykins> there are other viewers, try some more?
[10:35] <PaulW2U> MdAyq0: according to Launchpad xpdf was not being maintained
[10:37] <ducasse> MdAyq0: the last release was in 2007
[10:38] <MdAyq0> daftykins 10x zoom is useful for checking exact alignment on small examples.
[10:38] <MdAyq0> ducasse IMHO there is recent version 4.
[10:39] <daftykins> MdAyq0: availability of software doesn't guarantee inclusion, a maintainer has to package it
[10:41] <MdAyq0> daftykins No maintainer?
[10:41] <daftykins> yes
[10:42] <daftykins> most current Xpdf and XpdfReader is indeed v4.02 dated September 25th 2019, so yes perhaps it lost a maintainer
[10:42] <daftykins> you can still compile from source if you want it
[10:50] <MdAyq0> daftykins The last maintainer from eoan was "Debian QA Group".
[10:51] <MdAyq0> daftykins And debian does not ship version 4, but 3.04-13exp3 at best.
[10:53] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: here's an alinea about the phylosopy about it: https://ubuntu.com/blog/first-point-release-of-18-04-lts-available-today
[11:00] <daftykins> quite what relevance that had to my life, i don't know
[12:31] <lotuspsychje> coconut: crrcsim - Model-Airplane Flight Simulator
[12:34] <coconut> hehe, no not that one either... :D
[12:38] <coconut> got it! it's "Chromium B.S.U."
[12:55] <lotuspsychje> !gorilla
[12:55] <lotuspsychje> great tnx all


[00:20] <vorlon> bdmurray: well lovely, if I use ubuntu-dev-tools' lpapicache, it gives me empty sets for subscriptions
[00:21] <vorlon> mwhudson: yes, but note that I'm off tomorrow so am not on duty to deal with any regressions
[00:21] <mwhudson> vorlon: well so am i
[00:22]  * vorlon tries to remember what he was doing with the seeds before he started looking at all the ubuntu-meta bugs
[00:22] <vorlon> mwhudson: heh
[00:22] <mwhudson> vorlon: so maybe it should wait until next week then, do you feel like relasing it on your sunday? :)
[00:22] <vorlon> mwhudson: so shouldn't the "no SRU releases on Friday" rule apply to you also? :)
[00:22] <mwhudson> maybe i can convince RAOF to do it on monday
[00:22] <mwhudson> vorlon: probably
[00:22] <vorlon> I doubt I'll have an opportunity to do it on Sunday
[00:23] <mwhudson> fair enough
[00:37] <RAOF> mwhudson: If you ask nicely I can certainly do SRU things on Monday 😉
[00:38] <mwhudson> RAOF: (a) great (b) how did you see that without being in the channel!?
[00:41] <vorlon> bdmurray: is team_names exposed anywhere outside of lp:ubuntu-archive-tools/package-subscribers?
[00:42] <RAOF> mwhudson: I *am* in the channel. What do you mean?
[00:42] <mwhudson> --> RAOF<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-release
 mwhudson: If you ask nicely I can certainly do SRU things on Monday 😉
[00:43] <mwhudson> RAOF: matrix being funny somehow?
[00:43] <RAOF> mwhudson: I guess so? Maybe this is the first time since the apocalypse that I've spoken in #ubuntu-release?
[00:47] <mwhudson> could be
[00:58] <bdmurray> vorlon: I don't think so. I believe I had an idea of making a team of teams in LP that one would query.
[01:09] <Ukikie> mwhudson: Matrix has very very poor state tracking.
[02:23] <valorie> Ukikie: you have a gift for understatement
[03:35] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ukikie: Preaching to the choir here.
[03:36] <Ukikie> ...he said from Matrix..
[03:36] <Eickmeyer[m]> That's the joke.
[08:07] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, smart move! thanks! I admit I was almost sure I wasn't doing the right thing... :)
[10:48] <Laney> queue -Q unapproved -s bionic-proposed -m "to be superseded" reject gnome-shell
[10:48] <Laney> please and thanks, if someone has a second and a handy terminal
[11:00] <Laney> ok I just uploaded the new version, so make that:
[11:00] <Laney> queue -Q unapproved -s bionic-proposed -m "to be superseded" reject 20582927
[11:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-shell (bionic-proposed/main) [3.28.3+git20190124-0ubuntu18.04.2 => 3.28.3+git20190124-0ubuntu18.04.3] (desktop-extra, mozilla, ubuntu-desktop)
[12:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: network-manager (bionic-proposed/main) [1.10.14-0ubuntu1 => 1.10.14-0ubuntu2] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)
[12:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: neutron-fwaas-dashboard (disco-proposed/universe) [2.0.1-0ubuntu1 => 2.0.1-0ubuntu1.1] (no packageset)
[12:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: neutron-fwaas-dashboard (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.5.0-0ubuntu3 => 1.5.0-0ubuntu3.1] (no packageset)
[12:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted network-manager [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.10.14-0ubuntu2]
[13:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: geocode-glib (bionic-proposed/main) [<IP_ADDRESS>-4 => <IP_ADDRESS>-4ubuntu18.04.1] (ubuntu-desktop)
[13:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: kbd (disco-proposed/main) [2.0.4-4ubuntu1 => 2.0.4-4ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (core)
[14:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: kbd (bionic-proposed/main) [2.0.4-2ubuntu1 => 2.0.4-2ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (core)
[14:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: kbd (cosmic-proposed/main) [2.0.4-2ubuntu1 => 2.0.4-2ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (core)
[15:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-release-upgrader (disco-proposed/main) [1:<IP_ADDRESS> => 1:<IP_ADDRESS>] (core)
[16:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-calendar (disco-proposed/main) [3.32.0-1 => 3.32.2-1~ubuntu19.04.1] (desktop-extra, ubuntu-desktop)
[17:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected gnome-shell [source] (bionic-proposed) [3.28.3+git20190124-0ubuntu18.04.3]
[17:03] <vorlon> xnox, LocutusOfBorg: and fwiw, there is a hint for the previous version of mira, which started failing in release pocket <= 10Apr; so unconnected to boost1.67/1.67.0-13ubuntu1
[17:07] <xnox> ah
[17:07] <Laney> infinity: merci
[17:07]  * Laney waves tata
[17:09] <infinity> Laney: Did you just flap your boob at me?
[17:09] <infinity> Odd way to say thanks.
[17:11] <vorlon> cyphermox: did netplan.io SRU get uploaded with wrong -v?  Why is LP: #1821867 reopened?
[17:11] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1821867 in netplan.io (Ubuntu Disco) "network interface is down after post-install reboot of a default disco installation" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1821867
[17:12] <vorlon> not wrong -v, but certainly changelog
[17:23] <vorlon> xnox: what are the ubuntu-cdimage changes mentioned in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/livecd-rootfs/+bug/1827357/comments/5 ? is that some of the stuff that's been applied to the eoan boot scripts but not the earlier releases?
[17:23] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1827357 in livecd-rootfs (Ubuntu Bionic) "SRU subiquity specific changes from master to bionic" [Undecided,Fix committed]
[17:24] <xnox> vorlon, well disco but not earlier. basically initrd & vmlinu[xz] names are wrong on disk vs grub/zipl configs in bionic
[17:24] <vorlon> ah
[17:25] <xnox> vorlon, i need to cherrypick and propose those changes to bionic, and then we get subiquity on !amd64
[17:25] <vorlon> ok
[17:25] <vorlon> why are we doing that, however?  did someone agree to release !amd64 server-live images for 18.04 point releases?
[17:25] <xnox> vorlon, no we have not. but the race condition unbreaks serial only on amd64 too.
[17:26] <vorlon> ok
[17:26] <xnox> (the livecd-rootfs changes)
[17:26] <xnox> it's just it was easier for me to use a power image to verify the race.
[17:26] <xnox> and well, i'd love to release subiquity images for bionic in a point release =)
[18:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: neutron (cosmic-proposed/main) [2:13.0.2-0ubuntu3.1 => 2:13.0.2-0ubuntu3.2] (openstack, ubuntu-server)
[18:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted neutron [source] (cosmic-proposed) [2:13.0.2-0ubuntu3.2]
[19:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: kbd (xenial-proposed/main) [1.15.5-1ubuntu5 => 1.15.5-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (core)
[19:25] <Eickmeyer> infinity: I interpreted "tata" as goodbye, but that said, I haven't laughed that hard in quite some time. :D
[20:02] <vorlon> seb128: evidently the gupnp/gssdp ABI transition requires something more than no-change rebuilds
[20:47] <seb128> vorlon, yeah, it's on my list of things to work on next
[20:53] <seb128> vorlon, unsure why but your no-change-rebuild uploads didn't pick the new gupnp to build though (or maybe the binaries have just been newed?)
[21:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ndiswrapper (bionic-proposed/universe) [1.60-6 => 1.60-6ubuntu0.1] (no packageset)
[21:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: v4l2loopback (bionic-proposed/universe) [0.10.0-1ubuntu1 => 0.10.0-1ubuntu1.1] (no packageset)
[22:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-release-upgrader (disco-proposed/main) [1:<IP_ADDRESS> => 1:<IP_ADDRESS>] (core)
[23:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected ubuntu-release-upgrader [source] (disco-proposed) [1:<IP_ADDRESS>]
[23:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-release-upgrader (cosmic-proposed/main) [1:<IP_ADDRESS> => 1:<IP_ADDRESS>] (core)


[04:38] <mlankhorst> morning
[05:20] <DalekSec> Hello.  samdump2 3.0.0-2 from Debian fixes the one in proposed.
[08:05] <infinity> DalekSec: Thanks for the heads up, syncing.
[08:05] <DalekSec> Thank you.
[22:49] <hallyn> hi - if someone could take a look at / approve the libvirt FFE (bug 1367422), that'll finally enable apparmor-protected libvirt-lxc containers.


[00:28] <BUGabundo> TMoraisTMoraisTMoraisTMoraisTMorais
[00:28] <BUGabundo> oops
[00:28] <BUGabundo> wrong key.
[00:30] <BUGabundo> forcing upgrade of MONO to see if I get GnomeDo back
[00:41] <billybigrigger> hmm
[00:42] <billybigrigger> gnome-do works on my testing machine
[00:42] <billybigrigger> in vbox
[00:42] <billybigrigger> but not my desktop, both are upgraded the same :P
[00:44] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo::: what packages are you forcing?
[00:46] <BUGabundo> pleanty
[00:46] <BUGabundo> ok seems to be starting now
[00:47] <BUGabundo> and working. just posted to identica
[00:48] <billybigrigger> hmm
[00:49] <billybigrigger> what is identica?
[00:50] <BUGabundo> it's a FOSS µblog, based on twitter api
[00:50] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: see PVT
[00:51] <SeveredCross> BUGabundo: Why did you write MONO?
[00:51] <SeveredCross> That's not the software's name...
[00:52] <BUGabundo> me!?!
[00:52] <BUGabundo> I don't do code! I don't even fix bugs on gwibber
[00:52] <BUGabundo> much less write the all thing
[00:52] <SeveredCross> 2009 Jun 23 19:30:02  BUGabundo: forcing upgrade of MONO to see if I get GnomeDo back
[00:53] <BUGabundo> i' so confused right now! should be in bed! ehe
[00:53] <BUGabundo> SeveredCross: well MONO was stuck back! aptitude didn't even upgrade it
[00:53] <SeveredCross> Why "MONO" though...It's "Mono."
[00:54] <BUGabundo> so I opened Synaptic, purged a bunch of old libs and then upgraded _Mono_!
[00:54] <BUGabundo> SeveredCross: no idea why... maybe to enfatize it
[00:55] <BUGabundo> I keep messing openSUSE too, by writing openSuse
[01:40] <xyzzymaze> greetings all ... would not having dm-mod available at install of live-CD be issue for this channel?  To use lvm2?
[01:46] <BUGabundo> guud questio xyzzymaze
[01:46] <BUGabundo> since we now have grub2, I wonder if we can finally have a single LVM volume
[01:46] <BUGabundo> would be great for EEEPC
[01:46] <BUGabundo> with two SSDs
[01:47] <xyzzymaze> BUGabundo: yes, it def would be .. system on one, data on the other, allocate as needed.
[01:48] <xyzzymaze> BUGabundo: Weird that many other distro's have lvm2 at install and ubuntu (seems) to not .. I'm OK with doing a work around at install, I just want to get the module loaded!
[01:50] <BUGabundo> xyzzymaze: ubuntu as it, on the alternate CD, not the live one
[01:50] <BUGabundo> xyzzymaze: why would you place data on diff SSDs?
[01:50] <BUGabundo> that's BAD!
[01:50] <BUGabundo> plus one is much slower!
[01:51] <BUGabundo> if you LVM both, you increase the average speed, and loose the size limits of both!
[01:51] <xyzzymaze> BUGabundo: ah .. I'll look there .. well, yes, I was thinking from data backup and recov view ..
[01:51] <BUGabundo> no need
[01:51] <BUGabundo> since hardy, you can reinstall the system (and if you don't select format)
[01:52] <xyzzymaze> BUGabundo: So you say,put all volumes in one vg?
[01:52] <BUGabundo> the installer will remove all system files, leave the users ones, and then install fresh
[01:52] <BUGabundo> xyzzymaze: put both SSDs on ONE logical volume, filled with /
[01:53] <BUGabundo> and put swap on file too
[01:53] <xyzzymaze> Cool, did not know this about alternate .. I will def do that.  I see .. yes, but if you loosed one ssd (say the 2nd one) what happens to that one lv?
[01:54] <BUGabundo> lost data
[01:54] <BUGabundo> but that would happen the same even if you only had ONE disk
[01:54] <xyzzymaze> You are doing mirror or raid then, right? Ah ... , ok.. ;')
[01:54] <BUGabundo> no raid
[01:54] <BUGabundo> just LVM
[01:55] <xyzzymaze> True, true .. I like the lvm appoach from me allocating the space as I see fit, and keeping back what does not need to be used.  So, if I dd or image an lv, it does not take as long.
[01:56] <DanaG> odd... grub-efi gives me a bogus hd0 that contains only TWO of all of my partitions.
[01:56] <DanaG> hd1 is the real drive, for some reason.
[01:57] <xyzzymaze> Might want to look at the drive cables?  Is this ide or sata?
[01:58] <RAOF> Also, if you ever want to migrate data _off_ a drive being used as an LVM physical volume, it rocks hard.  Everything can be done online, fully mounted.
[01:58] <xyzzymaze> I thought grub device numbering was semi-related to physical cabling of the drives .. <shrug>
[01:59] <xyzzymaze> RAOF: Absolutely .. another cool reason.
[01:59] <DanaG> oh yeah, and how do you make grub2 set root to a specific uuid?
[01:59] <DanaG> ... within a menuentry?
[02:00] <RAOF> search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set cdc5d3da-479a-469b-bf7a-45c53531e282
[02:00] <xyzzymaze> no idea from me ... menu.lst?? just guessing here
[02:00] <DanaG> that's a silly parameter name: --set
[02:00] <DanaG> --set what?
[02:00] <DanaG> better name would be --set-root
[02:01] <RAOF> For those playing at home, that translates to "search for a drive with UUID=cdc5d3da-479a-469b-bf7a-45c53531e282 and set it to be the root drive"
[02:01] <RAOF> None of those --options take parameters.  It could be search --set --whatever ...
[02:01] <DanaG> STill, it's a bad name.
[02:01] <RAOF> Feel free to file a bug, though.  That seems like a reasonable point.
[02:01] <DanaG> It's like having a random button on your dashboard: "set"
[02:02] <RAOF> Debian's grub2 maintainers are embedded in upstream, so if you can convince them...
[02:03] <RAOF> Oh, you've got an nv2x card, don't you?
[02:05] <RAOF> There's a reasonable chance that you'll be able to enable KMS (and possibly make your system hardlock when trying to start X) with a package from xorg-edgers soon.
[02:05] <DanaG> who are you talking to now?
[02:06] <RAOF> DanaG: You.  Or, anyone with an nv{1,2,3,4}x card.
[02:06] <DanaG> Right now I'm mucking around trying to get a nice grub experience when having vista, jaunty, and karmic.
[02:07] <xyzzymaze> Not me .. I was happy to actually get my ATI HD2400 card to work today with 9.04
[02:07] <DanaG> But the grub2 on karmic won't let itself embed into a partition.
[02:09] <DanaG> Why would grub-efi create a bogus second (or rather, "first) hard drive?
[02:09] <DanaG> I have (hd0,1) and (hd0,2) that are the EFI partition and one of the Linux partitions... but nothing else.
[02:10] <DanaG> ... and then I have an (hd1,x) that is the real hard drive.
[02:57]  * BUGabundo $ bed ; echo command not found. please try apt-get install sleepdisorder
[02:59] <arand> !!
[03:06] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/383668
[03:06] <DanaG> yay, fixed.
[03:08] <DanaG> ugh, I hate how they removed the logout and shutdown from the system menu.
[03:14] <iflema> remove the user switcher from taskbar and it returns to system or at least it does in 9.04
[03:30] <billybigrigger> anyone else getting this error while updating/upgrading?
[03:30] <billybigrigger> http://imagebin.ca/view/aUPYdk.html
[04:40] <AaronMT> Netsplit++
[04:50] <ghindo> Is anybody else having trouble logging into GNOME?
[04:50] <SeveredCross> Nope, can't say I am.
[04:58] <ghindo> This last round of updates has presented the first challenge of this development cycle :p
[05:02] <ripps> ghindo: are you a fresh install or an upgrade
[05:07] <ghindo> ripps:  Upgrade.
[05:08] <ripps> You might have encountered an upgrade path problem, I did a fresh install and I have no trouble logging in. File a bug and try to provid as much detail about how you login as possible
[07:09] <DanaG> !busybox
[07:10] <DanaG> okay, where do I find out about that bug... before I actually run into it, rather than after?
[07:10] <DanaG> And when'll NV17 likely be getting KMS?
[07:14] <DanaG> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1193947&page=3
[07:14] <billybigrigger> DanaG::: you running 30-10 kernel?
[07:14] <DanaG> Just installed it, in fact.
[07:15] <DanaG> Haven't rebooted to it... and it doesn't have a nouveau module.
[07:15] <DanaG> This is the PPA I'm using: https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/nouveau
[07:16] <billybigrigger> theres a ppa for the new busybox aswell
[07:16] <billybigrigger> https://launchpad.net/~dupondje/+archive/ppa
[07:16] <DanaG> https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/nouveau
[07:17] <DanaG> https://launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/nouveau
[07:17] <DanaG> What's the difference between those two?  =P
[07:17] <billybigrigger> haha that was weird
[07:17] <billybigrigger> dupondje::: did you sense your name being called in here or what?
[07:17] <dupondje> haha no :P
[07:17] <dupondje> where ? :)
[07:18] <billybigrigger> https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/nouveau  <------- this one's packages were published a day later
 theres a ppa for the new busybox aswell
 https://launchpad.net/~dupondje/+archive/ppa
[07:18] <billybigrigger> * dupondje<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #Ubuntu+1
[07:18] <billybigrigger> :P
[07:18] <dupondje> :P
[07:20] <billybigrigger> 12:30am, must......get.....sleeeeeeeeeepp
[07:20] <billybigrigger> night all
[07:24] <DanaG> Tue Jun 23 23:24:59 PDT 2009
[07:34] <DanaG> when will we have nouveau KMS on nv17?
[07:35] <DanaG> myargh.
[07:38]  * DanaG goes off to bed.
[07:58] <DanaG> bah.
[08:06] <GunbladeIV> i upgraded to karmic by using update-manager -d
[08:07] <GunbladeIV> and it failed to boot with <ALERT>cannot fint root by UUID. but workaround of rootdelay=60 to my kernel line in grub seem to work.
[08:10] <dupondje> GunbladeIV: its busybox thats broken
[08:10] <dupondje> https://launchpad.net/~dupondje/+archive/ppa
[08:10] <dupondje> add my ppa to sources.list
[08:10] <dupondje> upgrade busybox-initramfs
[08:10] <dupondje> and do: update-initramfs -uk all
[08:10] <GunbladeIV> dupondje, i'll try
[08:10] <dupondje> thats the real fix ;)
[08:10] <GunbladeIV> thanks for the info
[08:11] <dupondje> np :)
[08:53] <maxb_> Anyone found detection of Synaptics touchpads has broken in the last day or so?
[08:57] <maxb_> hal seems to have decided my touchpad is a mouse
[09:14] <maxb_> ftr rollback to abi 9 kernel as workaround
[09:15] <GunbladeIV> dupondje, that solve the boot problem
[09:15] <GunbladeIV> mesa driver version 7.4 is buggy
[09:15] <dupondje> :)
[09:16] <dupondje> the fix will be in official repo's in some minutes :)
[09:16] <GunbladeIV> i have to take 20 minute jst to revert back to 7.3
[09:16] <dupondje> so no need to keep my ppa btw
[09:16] <GunbladeIV> dupondje, noted.
[10:30] <dupondje> damn, Furius Iso Mount Tool
[10:30] <dupondje> great thing !
[10:34] <slytherin> Can anyone running karmic and using brasero confirm that bug 270976 is fixed in latest gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad package?
[10:38] <dupondje> how to test :)
[10:38] <dupondje> as launchpad is down atm
[10:39] <slytherin> dupondje: it is accessible now in read only mode
[10:40] <dupondje> u can"t view bugs :)
[10:49] <slytherin> dupondje: I am able to view the bug mentioned.
[10:50] <dupondje>  Launchpad is offline for scheduled maintenance. We should be back soon.
[10:50] <dupondje> totally not :P
[10:51] <slytherin> ahh, now it is not accessible for me too
[10:54]  * robin0800 launchpad planned maintenance 24th June 2009 from 09.00 UTC
[11:20] <dupondje> mmm, seems like there were some packages with a newer version in Jaunty then Karmic when I did upgrade, now how can I revert those packages to the latest karmic version ?
[11:43] <christop_> after the latest update my gnome session ends after i unlock the default keyring
[11:44] <chrissturm> also the latest kernel package doesnt boot
[11:47] <RAOF> People keep saying that.  Mine boots fine :)
[11:48] <chrissturm> its fixed here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/busybox/1:1.13.3-1ubuntu3
[12:48] <eagles0513875> !upgrade
[12:50] <eagles0513875> hey guys how can i upgrade to karmic im following the upgrading link but for some reason when running update-notifier-kde -u its not finding anything
[12:51] <eagles0513875> nm found the issue
[12:58] <slytherin> eagles0513875: -u or -d?
[12:59] <eagles0513875> -d now
[12:59] <eagles0513875> update-manager -d isnt doing anything and im on jaunty currently
[13:03] <mvo> eagles0513875: please try "DEBUG_UPDATE_MANAGER=1 update-manager -d"
[13:03] <eagles0513875> mvo:  that after hitting alt+f2
[13:04] <mvo> the above needs to be run in a terminal
[13:05] <eagles0513875> ok
[13:05] <eagles0513875> saying that update-manager isnt installed
[13:06] <eagles0513875> installing update-manager
[13:06] <eagles0513875> wouldnt that be installed out of the box though
[13:08] <slytherin> eagles0513875: it should be
[13:08] <eagles0513875> for some reason it wasnt for me
[13:08] <eagles0513875> now its workign
[13:09] <eagles0513875> thanks guys :)
[14:07] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:21] <chrissturm> ubuntu-desktop is uninstallable right now, because update-manager-core update uninstalled update-manager and ubuntu-desktop depends on it
[14:22] <BluesKaj> chrissturm, use apt or aptitude in the terminal
[14:43] <BUGabundo> hey everyone
[14:43] <BUGabundo> anyone having trouble with framebuffer on kernel -10?
[14:44] <BUGabundo> I get a black screen, nad most of the times it will not get to GDM
[14:45] <BUGabundo> this is my stanza
[14:45] <BUGabundo>  kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.30-10-generic root=UUID=a8aa4adb-b3e6-4e1d-b4ad-e6cd704788b2 ro vga=0x360
[14:48] <billybigrigger> mornin BUGabundo
[14:49] <billybigrigger> i think there's a forum thread on it somewhere, lemme dig it up
[14:49] <billybigrigger> did you try booting with 'nomodeset'
[14:49] <billybigrigger> ?
[14:50] <BUGabundo> hey billybigrigger
[14:50] <BUGabundo> err no!
[14:50] <BUGabundo> what's that?
[14:50] <billybigrigger> err trying removing vga=xxxx too
[14:50] <billybigrigger> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195481&page=2
[14:50] <billybigrigger> its a problem with kms apparently
[14:51] <BUGabundo> yeah removing it works
[14:51] <BUGabundo> and running on single user
[14:51] <BUGabundo> older kernel had no trouble what so ever
[14:51]  * BUGabundo hates foruns!
[14:52] <billybigrigger> yeah, 30-10 kernel seems to have quite a few problems since yesterday
[14:53] <billybigrigger> anywho need to shower and get ready for my first interview in 6 years! :) eeeek
[14:53] <billybigrigger> later
[14:54] <BUGabundo> guud luck billybigrigger
[14:54] <BUGabundo> I've been unpl for 6 months
[14:54] <BUGabundo> I can imagine what you are going !
[14:54] <yofel> hm, here 30-10 didn't cause much problems, only usplash stopped working
[14:55] <billybigrigger> yeah, i havent worked since feb 1st :(
[14:55] <BUGabundo> haven't used splash since..... gutsy ?
[14:55] <billybigrigger> hopefully i get this job! :P
[14:55] <billybigrigger> anywho, seeya's all later
[14:55] <BUGabundo> guud luck billybigrigger
[14:55] <billybigrigger> roger
[14:55] <billybigrigger> :P
[14:55] <BUGabundo> and out!
[14:55] <BUGabundo> :p
[14:55] <BUGabundo> yofel: 64bits? with FB?
[14:56] <yofel> BUGabundo: nope, 32bits (eeePC)
[14:56] <BUGabundo> could be it
[14:56] <yofel> and I somehow got a better tty resolution by enabling kms
[14:57] <BUGabundo> for me its bug 391215
[14:58] <BUGabundo> hey tgpraveen
[14:59] <eagles0513875> seems like wifi stuff is broken or something im unable to connect to wifi at home after upgrading to karmic
[14:59] <tgpraveen> hey BUGabundo
[14:59] <yofel> eagles0513875: *what* wifi? my ralink an intel cards work fine
[14:59] <eagles0513875> i have a broadcom
[15:00] <BUGabundo> intel 4965 working OK here
[15:00] <eagles0513875> i just upgraded from jaunty and its constantly asking for my password for the wpa secured network
[15:00] <eagles0513875> is there still a bug with wpa
[15:00] <BUGabundo> OTOH 3G is very slow now
[15:00] <BUGabundo> eagles0513875: remove the old wifi account and make a new one
[15:00] <BUGabundo> the keyring must be locked
[15:01] <eagles0513875> BUGabundo: i did i deleted everything cept kopete stuff in kwallet
[15:02] <tgpraveen> BUGabundo: are u using empathy?
[15:02] <BUGabundo> pidgin
[15:03] <tgpraveen> ok.
[15:03] <tgpraveen> it seems odd but u dont appear in the chat list of this room
[15:04] <tgpraveen> in empathy fro me and hence i am also not able to use tab autocomplete for ur name
[15:04]  * eagles0513875 goes to hunt on launchpad as to why i cannot connect to my wifi ap
[15:04] <eagles0513875> yofel: are you connected to a wpa securred wifi connection
[15:05] <yofel> my wifi is a .11g with wpa2/aes
[15:05] <tgpraveen> i think its because u r using capital letters in ur name
[15:05] <tgpraveen> hmm.. empathy requires lot of love it seems
[15:05] <benten> hi
[15:06] <benten> whatis partial upgrade
[15:06] <benten> why some packets are kept back and are not upgraded with others
[15:06] <eagles0513875> yofel: and you can connect fine
[15:07] <benten> is it ok to upgrade / install packages kept back, by means of update manager ?
[15:07] <yofel> eagles0513875: my rt2860 connects fine, but I know there is a bug that some people can't
[15:07]  * yofel goes searching for it
[15:07] <BUGabundo> tgpraveen: WFM
[15:07] <eagles0513875> yofel: ill join ya in the hunt
[15:07] <BUGabundo> benten: something you SHOULD NEVER run
[15:07] <benten> BUGabundo: i run apt-get update n upgrade
[15:07] <Pici> I run partial updates all the time.
[15:07] <BUGabundo> benten: that usually means packages are still being build so dependencies are incomplete, or a required version bump
[15:08] <BUGabundo> if you go with Parcial, you may end up by removing packages
[15:08] <benten> oooh
[15:08] <BUGabundo> benten: run UM as usual, and them run $ sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[15:08] <benten> hmm
[15:08] <BUGabundo> benten: aptitude seems to handle versions wayyyy better then apt-get
[15:08] <Pici> BUGabundo: You shouldn't have to do both
[15:08] <BUGabundo> Pici: never lost packages?
[15:09] <yofel> eagles0513875: I found bug 339891
[15:09] <BUGabundo> Pici: on every cycle, once I hit the Parcial by accident I get packages removed!
[15:09] <Pici> BUGabundo: I always read what is going on before I apply updates.
[15:09] <BUGabundo> then I have to check synaptic to reinstall them latter, once available
[15:09] <yofel> eagles0513875: has something to do with mixed tkip/aes encryption
[15:09] <BUGabundo> Pici: I also read them, with apt-changes
[15:09] <tgpraveen> yofel: i also remember seeing something similar in karmic forum
[15:10] <Pici> I personally don't use any apt gui tools.
[15:10] <eagles0513875> yofel: this isnt the case here
[15:10] <eagles0513875> yofel: i have no idea where to start with my issue
[15:11] <yofel> eagles0513875: dmesg?
[15:11] <BUGabundo> Pici: so how do you upgrade?
[15:11] <Pici> BUGabundo: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:11] <BUGabundo> Pici: I use aptitude instead
[15:11] <BluesKaj> yofel, eagles0513875 , install Wicd , it';; solve your wifi and dhcp connection troubles ...network management sucks I'm afraid
[15:12] <eagles0513875> yofel: i think only thing of significance is that it keeps denying its assosiation with ap with a code 13
[15:12] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: was working fine no problem with network manager widget in jaunty
[15:12] <BUGabundo> been a lover of apt-get for years, until this cycle KDE breakged! aptitude seems to be doing a much better job now, Pici
[15:12] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: yofel any idea what a code 13 means
[15:12] <yofel> BluesKaj: *I* don't have any problems
[15:12] <BUGabundo> Pici: plus the aptitude update is so nice, it even shows how many we will have!
[15:13] <yofel> eagles0513875: no, I'm not good with driver problems
[15:13] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875, , fine but i had to switch ... it was flaky on my setup
[15:13] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: any idea waht a code 13 means
[15:13] <BluesKaj> no
[15:13] <tgpraveen> hmm BUGabundo restarting empathy seems to have fixed everything
[15:14] <tgpraveen> has anyone here got KMS to work with nvidia hardware using noveou drivers perhaps?
[15:14] <chrissturm> in what logfile can i look to check why my gnome session keeps dying?
[15:15] <Unksi> chrissturm: kde does that as well, just after logging in
[15:15] <eagles0513875> dunno why im gonna run an fsck in init 1 i have found lately that seems to outa the blues fix alot of issues
[15:15] <yofel> chrissturm: define dying - X crash?
[15:16] <chrissturm> yofel: it asks me for the keyring password, and when i answer the dialog i am back at gdm
[15:16] <yofel> chrissturm: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[15:17] <benten> latest xorg included in karmic ?
[15:18] <yofel> benten: right now it's 7.4
[15:18] <benten> k
[15:20] <yofel> benten: if you wan't the latest xorg builds look for the xorg-edgers ppa
[15:20] <chrissturm> ok, seems to be i965_rdi related
[15:20] <chrissturm> (dri)
[15:24] <benten> yofel: thanks
[15:24] <Wicla> I'm getting thrown out to gdm every time I log in now since latest dist upgrade. It's the same for both .9 och .10.
[15:25] <yofel> Wicla: same issue as chrissturm maybe?
[15:26] <Wicla> might be. Doing anything after being logged on I get thrown back to gdm. But just idling seems to work
[15:27] <eagles0513875> interesting wifi seems to be bugged somewhere
[15:27] <SKB> Does anyone have any ideas hot to get back my mouse and keyboard input when xorg starts?
[15:28] <SKB> *how
[15:29] <benten> SKB: just a thought, xorg.conf ?
[15:29] <SKB> (EE) config/hal: couldn't initialise context: (null) ((null))
[15:30] <benten> SKB: sorry, you must be looking for something different
[15:30] <SKB> can't find anything to fix hal either :|
[15:31] <benten> SKB: demolish old hal, construct new one :)
[15:31] <SKB> easy to say :P
[15:31] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, yeah, I've been using aptitude almost exclusively since jaunty...apt created some broken dependencies that were solved when I updated with aptitude
[15:31] <SKB> benten:  by the way, what do you mean by construct?
[15:32] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: once you start, you can't go back, right?
[15:32] <benten> SKB: :) city big hall ;)
[15:32] <chrissturm> Wicla: what graphiccard?
[15:32] <SKB> i don't get it...
[15:32] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, hehe , yeah it seems so :)
[15:33] <benten> SKB: hal = hardware abstraction layer ?
[15:33] <SKB> ye
[15:36] <benten> SKB: when you install os there is step to detect kb and mouse
[15:36] <SKB> i upgraded from 9.04
[15:36] <SKB> and everythoing worked :|
[15:36] <benten> SKB: and ur kb n m stopped working ?
[15:36] <SKB> ye
[15:36] <SKB> i mean like completely disapieared
[15:37] <SKB> disapeared
[15:37] <SKB> even num lock doesn't do anything
[15:37] <benten> SKB: u using usb kb n mouse ?
[15:37] <SKB> ps/2
[15:40] <benten> SKB: well, then how can you interact with your system if you don't have any input source
[15:40] <Wicla> chrissturm: 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)
[15:40] <SKB> benten:  root shell from recovery mode
[15:40] <Wicla> chrissturm: more specifically: Intel GMA 3100
[15:40] <SKB> i loose my input only when xorg starts
[15:40] <SKB> *lose
[15:41] <chrissturm> Wicla: it seems to be related to the video-intel driver
[15:41] <chrissturm> I see a crash in the xorg log file
[15:41] <Wicla> I'm currently at a lecture. can check my logs when it's done
[15:43] <benten> SKB: xorg.conf says, kb settings are read from /etc/default/console-setup
[15:45] <SKB> XKBMODEL="pc105"
[15:45] <SKB> XKBLAYOUT="us"
[15:45] <SKB> seems to be normal
[15:50] <ransom> window 5
[15:53] <BUGabundo> what was that!?!?
[15:53] <Unksi> someone paid the ransoms
[15:53] <BUGabundo> ahahahahahah
[15:54] <BUGabundo> or took them down! LOL
[15:54] <Unksi> must be about pirated tomtoms
[15:57] <benten> SKB: if ur xorg.conf and cosole-setup are ok, then next u should check for xinitrc n xclients
[15:57] <benten> SKB: that is all i can help
[15:57] <SKB> okay
[15:57] <SKB> thanks :>
[15:58] <benten> SKB: but you should hang around and someone will help you to solve your problem :)
[16:07] <peabody> yo
[16:07] <peabody> I will kiss on the mouth anyone that can help me get nvidia hdmi audio out working
[16:07] <eagles0513875> hehe
[16:09] <BUGabundo> peabody: are you a girl?
[16:09] <BUGabundo> :p
[16:09] <peabody> not even close
[16:09] <peabody> that's what makes it so exoticv
[16:09] <peabody> :p
[16:09] <BUGabundo> then I don't fill like getting your offer :x
[16:09] <peabody> haha
[16:09] <BUGabundo> hey kklimonda__
[16:09] <peabody> what's up BUGabundo :)
[16:10] <BUGabundo> peabody: not that, you are thinking of!
[16:10] <peabody> hah!
[16:11] <peabody> I thought with the fresh compile and restored array I would be finished getting this beast running, but now I have no audio.. like it's all apparently installed ... but when I press play, no noise :(
[16:12] <peabody> I set nvidia hdmi audio out to my first preference in system settings, but when I click the device and press test, I get no sound
[16:12] <peabody> super gay
[16:12] <peabody> so gay, it would probably kiss me on the mouth
[16:12] <Pici> peabody: stop
[16:12] <peabody> hammer time?
[16:13] <Pici> peabody: Please don't use that word disparagingly in here.
[16:13] <Pici> !coc
[16:14] <peabody> that was so not disparaging but you're the king
[16:14]  * peabody takes a bow
[16:15] <peabody> I just need to hear my music before I drive myself crazy in silence
[16:17] <BUGabundo> peabody: talk inside your head... not your fingers! or blog about it... but don't go crazy in here!
[16:30] <thomthom> peabody: enjoy the silence
[16:33] <BUGabundo> now thomthom ruined it!
[16:33] <BUGabundo> hey hggdh
[16:34] <thomthom> sorry, I seem to have that effect
[16:35] <hggdh> Ola BUGabundo
[16:36] <svu> is karmic going to have eclipse 3.2 as well???????
[16:36] <svu> now that we have 3.5
[16:37]  * BUGabundo export car; do wash && clean; done; eat; sleep
[16:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hi there, is usb broken today? I was using my usb keyboard and mouse, upgraded the kernel rebooted and it doesn't work anymore (but it works in the boot screen).
[16:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> 2nd question: is the printing system broken too?
[17:01] <dupondje> not known issues
[17:01] <dupondje> but ofc
[17:01] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ofc?
[17:01] <dupondje> its alpha ....
[17:02] <Le-Chuck_ITA> dupondje: I knew at worst the third line would deal with "it's alpha" :) I test alphas since dapper. In this channel people should really refrain from this comment, it's just misplaced most of the time.
[17:02] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Anyways thanks for your reply
[17:02] <Le-Chuck_ITA> will try to check what's going on
[17:05] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Ok the print system is broken on two computers :)
[17:06] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it prints 4-up instead of 1-up and two over 4 are black horizontal lines
[17:06] <Le-Chuck_ITA> will report be aware
[17:07] <mtrudel> any chance it's not just straight USB keyboard and mice but a bluetooth dongle to run those?
[17:08] <Le-Chuck_ITA> mtrudel: no idea but I paid 25 euros the whole thing
[17:09] <Le-Chuck_ITA> let me check
[17:09] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it's still working on the second machine (upgrade in progress)
[17:10] <Le-Chuck_ITA> mtrudel: HSB HID v1.00 Mouse
[17:11] <Le-Chuck_ITA> this is what I can read in the logs but on the updated machine I don't see anything in the logs when I connect the thing
[17:12] <cyphermox> ok
[17:12] <DanaG> wow, NV actually resumed from suspend, for once?
[17:12] <DanaG> Surprising.
[17:15] <DanaG> Hmm, can't mount USB devices -- no reply on DBUS.
[17:15] <Le-Chuck_ITA> DanaG: AHA
[17:15] <Le-Chuck_ITA> did you upgrade the kernel right now?
[17:15] <cyphermox> Le-Chuck_ITA: i pretty much meant whether it was a dongle or not.. and if there was something to that effect on the hardware. I noticed that on my bluetooth mouse, I had to unplug it when it reached GDM, then plug it back in before it would actually be detected... that was for kernels 2.6.30-5 up until 2.6.30-9
[17:16] <Le-Chuck_ITA> cyphermox: yes I tried
[17:16] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I do not think it's a dongle but don't know how to know it
[17:16] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but no
[17:16] <Le-Chuck_ITA> doesn't look like
[17:16] <cyphermox> ok
[17:16] <Le-Chuck_ITA> DanaG: thinking about it they should be different issues do you see the usb connect messages in the system logs
[17:17] <DanaG> what about a dongle?
[17:17] <DanaG> oh yeah, nothing special in dmesg.
[17:18] <Le-Chuck_ITA> DanaG: the kernel is evidently broken w.r.t. usb it seems, I came here to ask about that
[17:18] <Le-Chuck_ITA> DanaG: you do the report, I confirm it :)
[17:19] <DanaG> Works fine for me; Gnome is what's broken.
[17:19] <DanaG> Something with DeviceKit-Disks.
[17:19] <Le-Chuck_ITA> DanaG: you said nothing special
[17:19] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I got it wrong
[17:19] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ok
[17:19] <Le-Chuck_ITA> good for you
[17:21] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Do you have any idea why I have a "cdrom2" icon on my laptop, with only one cdrom and empty? :)
[17:36] <chrissturm> i filed a bug about the xorg crash at login: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/391694 anything else i can add?
[17:48] <yofel> chrissturm: the next time you report a bug please do that with the command 'ubuntu-bug xorg' - that will automatically add some system information that might be useful for the devs
[17:49] <chrissturm> yofel: i know about that tool, but i cant use any gui apps on that machine
[17:51] <chrissturm> ah, it works via ssh too, great
[17:54] <yofel> chrissturm: if you have no X - ubuntu bug should also give you an option to save the report file it creates. You can then copy it elsewere, but if you can use ssh that's even better :)
[17:55] <chrissturm> yofel: i attached the report
[17:56] <chrissturm> Wicla: can you look at the bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/391694 and verify it?
[17:59] <foo_> ubottu, !lazy
[18:00] <yofel> chrissturm: btw, maybe you noticed that ubottu here is quite intelligent - you don't need to paste the bug url here, just say
[18:01] <yofel> bug 391694
[18:01] <foo_> guys i got this error E: mime-support: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2 if tried to install of remove any thing!
[18:03] <yofel> foo_: could you nopaste the complete terminal output?
[18:03] <yofel> !paste
[18:04] <foo_> http://pastebin.com/m3b11b312
[18:04] <foo_> i pasted before :) that's a test to use apt
[18:05] <yofel> hm, update-alternatives fails
[18:05] <Whitor> howdy... Having trouble getting hdaps working on my thinkpadx61 ... Found bug#297213 on launchpad ... am very concerned that the status has been changed to Won't-fix. It seems like we are leaving a lot of people with no solution here, and none in sight. :(
[18:06] <Wicla> chrissturm: yes. Got the same backtrace as you.
[18:06] <foo_>   Bug #221748
[18:06] <foo_> that's it i got the same bug
[18:06] <nixternal> compiz segfault with latest updates for anyone else?
[18:06] <foo_> and i conformed
[18:07] <nixternal> seems to be tied into the framebuffer stuff
[18:10] <foo_> yofel, got any ideas ?
[18:12] <chrissturm> so how do i get the bug to be confirmed? can anyone that has sees the bug too just set the status to confirmed?
[18:14] <yofel> chrissturm: Wicla would be the best person to set it to confirmed
[18:14] <yofel> Wicla: do you know how to do that?
[18:15] <Wicla> Found it, thought it was up to devs to decide
[18:15] <yofel> foo_: not right now, still looking into the issue - the package is installed fine here
[18:16] <yofel> Wicla: to set it to confirmed it's enough to get somebody to reproduce that issue
[18:16] <foo_> yofel, thanks any way :) you tried to help
[18:17] <Wicla> yofel, chrissturm: confirmed
[18:19] <yofel> foo_: do you have the file /usr/share/man/ru/man1/vim.1.gz ?
[18:19] <foo_> bash: /usr/share/man/ru/man1/vim.1.gz: No such file or directory
[18:20] <foo_> yofel, that's bad :D
[18:20] <yofel> foo_: try to intall vim-common
[18:22] <foo_> yofel, thanks ! it's gone :D thanks very much شكراً علي مجهودك معايا :)
[18:22]  * yofel goes to make a comment regarding that...
[18:24] <yofel> foo_: do you have 'ubuntu-minimal' installed?
[18:24] <yofel> I have to remove that to be able to remove vim-common
[18:25] <foo_> yes i have it
[18:25] <yofel> okay... now that's odd o.O
[18:26] <foo_> yofel, i upgraded to 9.10 10 days ago
[18:26] <yofel> foo_: that still shouldn't happen
[18:27] <yofel> ok... ubuntu-minimal depends on vim-tiny which depends on vim-common - so how could that happen???
[18:27] <foo_> yofel, vim-common was installed but i reinstalled then it worked
[18:30] <yofel> might be a broken update depend then or something like that
[18:30] <foo_> may be but it does affected me for 14 hours :)
[18:30] <foo_> thanks to my system is OK
[18:48] <DanaG> yargh, "BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at 203d7970"
[18:48] <DanaG> "Modules linked in:"
[18:48] <DanaG> yeah, no modules listed.
[18:49] <DanaG> And some of the other kernels are doing anything from turning off the monitor, to "cannot find modules.dep"
[18:49] <DanaG> BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at (null)
[18:50] <DanaG> IP: [<(null)>] (null)
[18:52] <DanaG> kernel panic - not syncing: Aiee, killing interrupt handler.
[18:52] <DanaG> Anyway, this is not a paste of one error... it's me describing all the random, different ones it's giving me.
[18:54] <DanaG> hmm, what should I do to try to fix that?
[18:55] <dupondje> its kernel bug :)
[18:55] <dupondje> google it
[18:55] <dupondje> if not fixed/reported
[18:55] <dupondje> => report !
[18:56] <DanaG> well, it may also be a hardware issue.
[18:57] <BluesKaj> ntfs will no longer mount  : locale CA.UTF8' is not allowed for uid 1000 ...this just broke after the kernel update
[18:58] <DanaG> argh, now:
[18:58] <DanaG> selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS.
[18:58] <DanaG> ARGH!
[18:59] <dupondje> BluesKaj: whats in fstab
[19:02] <DanaG> Each time, it fails differently.
[19:02] <dupondje> DanaG: what are you trying ? :p
[19:03] <DanaG> Just booting different kernels.
[19:03] <DanaG> -8 and -9
[19:03] <DanaG> First time I've booted this particular desktop in like 4 years.
[19:03]  * DanaG tries disabling APIC now.
[19:05] <DanaG> fail. fail.  hey, usplash!
[19:05] <dupondje> lol
[19:05] <dupondje> it boots @ random ? :p
[19:05] <dupondje> fails* :)
[19:06] <DanaG> Killed.  Killed.  Segmentation fault.  No block devices found.  dmraid: error while loading shared libraries: /lib/libdl.so.2: file too short
[19:06] <dupondje> rofl rofl :D
[19:07] <dupondje> take hammer !
[19:07] <dupondje> and USE IT !
[19:07] <dupondje> :)
[19:12] <DanaG> init[1]:segfault
[19:16] <DanaG> no raid disks and with names:"no block devices found"
[19:17] <DanaG> yes, it says "and"
[19:18]  * charlie-tca gives DanaG a really big hammer to use
[19:19] <DanaG> okay, what was the PPA for the fixed busybox?
[19:20]  * SKB still can't figure out why his mouse and keyboard input vanishes when xorg starts...
[19:21] <DanaG> ah, found it.
[19:21] <dupondje> DanaG: u don't need it
[19:21] <dupondje> its fixed in repo's now :D
[19:21] <dupondje> and I deleted the package on my ppa :) as its not needed anymore
[19:59] <BluesKaj> dupondje, fstab: http://pastebin.ca/1473000 , mtab : http://pastebin.ca/1473006
[20:01] <dupondje> mmm, the ntfs partition is not in it ?
[20:01] <BluesKaj> dupondje, that's just it, i don't see any reference to the ntfs partition in there
[20:11] <billybigrigger> dupondje::: a fix for busybox has made its way through the repos already? i can remove that entry on the grub wiki about the sleep 0.1 errors?
[20:12] <dupondje> yes its in the repo's :)
[20:12] <Pici> I havent rebooted in a few days, I'm afraid to.
[20:13] <BUGabundo> Pici: be afraid
[20:14] <BUGabundo> haven't had such an unstable system since alpha4 jaunty
[20:14] <BUGabundo> system crashs, disk errors, failed boots, crashing apps!
[20:14] <BUGabundo> the TRUE devel version of OSs
[20:15] <eagles0513875> broken wifi too
[20:15] <eagles0513875> at least the wpa bug seems to have resurfaced again in karmic
[20:15] <charlie-tca> Yeah, ain't it great to test something that does break?
[20:15] <charlie-tca> :-)
[20:15] <eagles0513875> heheh ya but i love testing out stuff
[20:15] <billybigrigger> dupondje::: fix released june 23 or 24?
[20:16] <dupondje> this morning
[20:16] <BluesKaj> I'm wondering what caused the link to ntfs to be broken in fstab and mtab , I see the errors but don't know how to fix them
[20:16] <BUGabundo> eagles0513875: wifi until now still works
[20:16] <eagles0513875> i just upgraded today and i couldnt connect
[20:17] <eagles0513875> BUGabundo: is this on a wep encrypted network or wpa that it works
[20:17] <BUGabundo> I plan to do a full fresh install in over one year (this sistem comes from alpha 2 hardy)
[20:18] <BUGabundo> and now I am having 2nd thoughts
[20:18] <dupondje> BluesKaj: UUID=8E4034FB4034EB99				/media/disk	ntfs	rw,nosuid,nodev			0	1
[20:18] <dupondje> thats ntfs here in fstab
[20:18] <eagles0513875> nice BUGabundo
[20:19] <charlie-tca> I have a fresh install in mind, but Xubuntu alternate cd's are broke, too :-)
[20:19] <BUGabundo> ahaha
[20:19] <BUGabundo> so better wait past A3
[20:19] <BUGabundo> not sure this system can hold it that long
[20:20] <billybigrigger> heh
[20:20] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo::: is gnome-do broken or what?
[20:21] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo::: like i don't really see any good uses to it, haven't played with too many plugins, but like for example the pastebin plugin....do you use it?
[20:21] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu cd's are good
[20:21] <dupondje> nothing is broken here :P
[20:21] <dupondje> btw, i'm searching a good backup tool for ubuntu
[20:23] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: it dies every 3 min
[20:23] <BUGabundo> if it dies again I'm putting it on a watch -n 1
[20:23] <BUGabundo> already have gwibber on -n 10
[20:24] <BUGabundo> dupondje: err dd ?
[20:24] <dupondje> lol dd :)
[20:24] <dupondje> don't need backup of all :)
[20:24] <dupondje> want something GUI'ish ;)
[20:24] <charlie-tca> sbackup is supposed to be pretty good, but I don't know if has a GUI for restore yet
[20:25] <dupondje> lets see :D
[20:25] <dupondje> it has !
[20:26] <genii> clonezilla is good but not in stock repos, unfortunately
[20:29] <BUGabundo> genii: but their devel version is based on karmic
[20:29] <BUGabundo> I have stable one on my usb 1.1 128MiBs
[20:29] <billystesting> Jun 24 13:29:34 testing-desktop kernel: [  156.040068] end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
[20:29] <BUGabundo> you never know when its going to be andy
[20:29] <billystesting> anyone get this in thier /var/log/syslog?
[20:30] <hggdh> sbackup has a GUI, but... recovering a previous version can take quite a long time
[20:30] <billystesting> i get these I/O errors every 2 secs, i have commented out /dev/fd0 in fstab and reboot, still getting the errors
[20:30] <SKB> billystesting:  i have these until i turned my floppy drive from BIOS
[20:30] <SKB> had
[20:30] <billybigrigger> really
[20:30] <SKB> off
[20:30] <billybigrigger> hmm
[20:30] <SKB> meh
[20:30] <SKB> :|
[20:30] <SKB> let me rewrite ;D
[20:31] <SKB> i had these until i turned my floppy drive off from BIOS
[20:31] <SKB> here
[20:31] <billybigrigger> probably can just remove the floppy module
[20:31] <yofel> I always remove the floppy module on login
[20:32] <yofel> the floppy drive led stays on but at least the drive shuts up
[20:33] <billybigrigger> SKB::: instead of killing the drive in bios blacklist it :P
[20:33] <SKB> i don't have any fdd :P
[20:33] <yofel> billybigrigger: good idea
[20:33] <billybigrigger> touch blacklist-floppy and add blacklist floppy to it :P
[20:34] <BluesKaj> nope , no luck with fstab yet , gotta find a line that works ...still have this error :UUID=dc642a74-a438-4e0b-a9fc-3c130ad7e9cc /               ext3    relatime,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[20:34] <SKB> anyway, i'm still stuck with my input problem :|
[20:35] <billybigrigger> have you checked #ubuntu-devel?
[20:35] <billybigrigger> skb
[20:35] <SKB> no
[20:35] <billybigrigger> i see no replys to your forum post, and nothing here...might be your next best bet
[20:35] <SKB> heh
[20:36] <billybigrigger> someone in here had wacom problems yesterday, he was using for a mouse...
[20:36] <billybigrigger> usb input?
[20:36] <SKB> i'm using ps/2
[20:36] <billybigrigger> ewww...thats odd
[20:36] <billybigrigger> i don't know then
[20:36] <SKB> indeed
[20:36] <billybigrigger> any usb input dev's you can test with?
[20:37] <SKB> dev's = devices?
[20:37] <SKB> it yes, than no input either :\
[20:37] <SKB> *f
[20:37] <SKB> i
[20:37] <SKB> come on ..
[20:39] <billybigrigger> hmm
[20:39] <SKB> sorry for by bad typing :>
[20:40] <billybigrigger> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[20:40] <billybigrigger> ?
[20:40] <SKB> nope
[20:40] <billybigrigger> hmmm
[20:40] <SKB> didn't help
[20:40] <SKB> tough one isn't it? :D
[20:41] <DanaG> Hmm, turns out it was all due to my radeon-kms stuff.
[20:41] <billybigrigger> laptop?
[20:41] <BluesKaj> there isn't much to reconfigure in Xorg anymore , it just refers back to HAL mostly
[20:41] <DanaG> If I blocked radeon from loading, then it boots.
[20:42] <SKB> me? desktop pc
[20:43] <DanaG> So, there
[20:43] <Sarvatt> SKB: tried deleting xorg.conf entirely?
[20:43] <DanaG> There's something wrong with radeon kms on R100.
[20:43] <SKB> nope
[20:44] <Sarvatt> it handles detecting differently even if theres a blank one there
[20:44] <billybigrigger> cat /dev/input/mice
[20:44] <nixternal> is there a work around yet for Intel, the new KMS stuff, and logging into GNOME? Right now it starts to log in, gets to the desktop and then crashes back out to GDM with some nasty dmesg errors about compiz and some xsession-errors as well
[20:44] <billybigrigger> and try to move your mouse, and garbled data or junk?
[20:44] <billybigrigger> skb
[20:44] <SKB> well i'm on liveCD now
[20:44] <SKB> i'll write a note now
[20:46] <billybigrigger> check #ubuntu-devel and see if anyone has anything to say about it there
[20:46] <billybigrigger> has it worked at all? or after some certain upgrades did it stop working?
[20:46] <SKB> after distribution upgrade to 9.10 it stopped  working
[20:47] <Sarvatt> do you have udev-extras installed?
[20:47] <SKB> i guess i have
[20:47] <Sarvatt> if you keep hotkey-setup it wont let udev-extras get installed
[20:47] <DanaG> oh yeah, one of my laptops around here gives wifi device "unmanaged"
[20:47] <SKB> wait how to check that from live cd?
[20:47] <DanaG> ... how would I fix that?
[20:48] <Sarvatt> mount your ubuntu install, sudo chroot /whatever then dpkg -l | grep udev-extras
[20:48] <SKB> sudo chroot /media/disk
[20:48] <SKB> meh
[20:49] <SKB> wrong window
[20:49] <SKB> ...
[20:50] <billybigrigger> is gnome-do supposed to have a dock with it?
[20:52] <SKB> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo chroot /media/disk/
[20:52] <SKB> chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error
[20:52] <SKB> am i doing something wrong?
[20:53] <Sarvatt> livecd a different architecture than the install?
[20:53] <SKB> yes
[20:55] <DanaG> try "linux32" perhaps?
[20:55] <DanaG> ... before chrooting.
[20:55] <SKB> my install was lin64 :|
[20:55] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: yes
[20:55] <Sarvatt> just boot to recovery and open a network enabled console in the menu and sudo apt-get install udev-extras, i'm pretty sure thats the priblem you're hitting
[20:55] <BUGabundo> with docky skin, only on Composite
[20:55] <Sarvatt> its ok to let it force removal of hotkey-setup
[20:56] <BUGabundo> SKB: u can't use chroot from a diff arch
[20:56] <BUGabundo> it fails with one of the MOST stupid error messages I've seen
[20:56] <SKB> heh
[20:56] <SKB> is it me or i can't get 64bit cd from shipit?
[20:57] <Stupendoussteve> It is not just you
[20:59] <Unksi> 225509 < DanaG> ... before chrooting.
[21:00] <Unksi> forget that :p
[21:00] <DanaG> oh, and "linux32" is not installed by default, I belive.
[21:00] <DanaG> oops, lost an 'e'
[21:00] <Unksi> nixternal: with kde, you can log in with vesa driver if you use -9 or -8 kernel
[21:01] <Unksi> it gives out crappy resolution though
[21:01] <SKB> the funny this is i think *10 kernel boots fine here
[21:01] <SKB> exept that sleep thingy
[21:03] <Unksi> for me the vesa driver gives only some garbaged lines with -10 kernel
[21:03] <Unksi> on 1000h
[21:03] <Unksi> (eee)
[21:03] <DanaG> Probably because the 1000h has a nonstandard screen resolution.
[21:04] <Unksi> yep
[21:04] <billybigrigger> effin mono
[21:05] <DanaG> oh yeah, so busybox has been fixed?
[21:05] <DanaG> Then, should I expect booting with -10 to work?
[21:05] <billybigrigger> yeah
[21:05] <billybigrigger> yeah
[21:05] <DanaG> cool.  Will try it now.
[21:06] <DanaG> Video card is a Radeon 7500.
[21:06] <billybigrigger> dunno then
[21:06] <billybigrigger> nvidia here
[21:06] <SKB> wish me good luck, going to mess with my system again :D
[21:06] <billybigrigger> good luck :P
[21:09] <Wicla> just a little question: Doesn't the "encrypt home folder"-option exist during 9.10 alpha2 installation? Or did I just miss it?
[21:11] <Unksi> dont think its there
[21:11] <Unksi> wasnt with daily iso preceding a2 at least
[21:13] <nixternal> bug #391797 - anyone else experiencing this
[21:13] <nixternal> Unksi: I have 0 problems with KDE and -10.12
[21:13] <billybigrigger> nixternal::: negative
[21:13] <nixternal> well that sucks :)
[21:13] <nixternal> I want someone else to experience it with me!
[21:14] <Unksi> :E
[21:14] <nixternal> my Kubuntu box works great with the -10.12 kernel, but my Ubuntu box is borked currently
[21:15] <billybigrigger> how do you find full kernel version, all i'm seeing is 30-10
[21:15] <billybigrigger> or 30-10-generic
[21:15] <Unksi> is that the same box? looks like its affecting only intel from what ive seen here^
[21:15] <nixternal> dpkg -l
[21:15] <Stupendoussteve> billybigrigger: Tried uname -r?
[21:17] <billybigrigger> no, uname -a
[21:17] <billybigrigger> and they both spit 30-10-generic
[21:18] <BUGabundo>  uname -a
[21:18] <BUGabundo> Linux blubug 2.6.30-9-generic #10-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jun 12 13:08:18 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[21:19] <billybigrigger> nixternal::: you have an i386 kernel?
[21:20] <nixternal> amd64
[21:20] <billybigrigger> hmm
[21:20] <billybigrigger> intel or amd?
[21:20] <billybigrigger> amd here
[21:21] <nixternal> intel
[21:21] <billybigrigger> maybe Unksi is right
[21:21] <billybigrigger> reboot brb
[21:22] <Unksi> i mena, intel graphics not cpu
[21:22] <Unksi> *mean
[21:26] <billybigrigger> anyone still getting mono and the 30-10 kernel held back in apt?
[21:26] <nixternal> heh, I think I had it remove it :)
[21:27] <nixternal> maybe I didn't, seems they are all still there
[21:27] <Unksi> no mono here, seem to have 30-10 and 30-12 packages mixed tho
[21:27] <billybigrigger> going ahead with partial upgrade
[21:30] <Sarvatt> was there an x64 ftbs or something in one of the packages
[21:31] <Sarvatt> ? no problems like that here on i386
[21:31] <Sarvatt> regarding mono and the kernel getting held back
[21:44] <DanaG> okay, so, compiz doesn't start right on R100.
[21:52] <Hawks> hi there
[21:52] <giles> hi, I just upgraded my karmic and now whenever I log into x via gdm, after a few secs X restarts.
[21:52] <BUGabundo> Hawks: hi
[21:52] <BUGabundo> giles: you seem to have nixternal prob
[21:53] <nixternal> giles: bug #391797
[21:53] <giles> nixternal: is it something to do with compiz?
[21:53] <nixternal> yup
[21:53] <giles> can I work around it?
[21:53] <nixternal> xsession-errors
[21:54] <nixternal> don't know, I haven't really tried...gave up as I am getting ready to bbq and head to a bicycle meeting
[21:54] <giles> nixternal: cant find xsession-errors
[21:55] <nixternal> giles: ~/.xsession-errors
[21:55] <nixternal> gotta head out
[21:57] <DanaG> DBus error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)
[21:57] <DanaG> grr, damnit, I can't mount anything!
[21:57] <ripps> Man, when is gnome-python-extras gonna be fixed. I want my specto back
[21:59] <DanaG> ugh, stupid screwed-up volume control.... only affect the front!
[22:01] <DanaG> ugh, and notify-osd is raping my CPU every time I change volume.
[22:01] <DanaG> Please excuse the use of the word, but that's the sort of impression I get.
[22:02] <BUGabundo> ahah
[22:02] <BUGabundo> well I'm more bored with the one that asks you your password for every volume you mount! darn udev
[22:03] <giles> so can I work aound this bug?
[22:03] <billybigrigger> DanaG::: i get a similar error to dbus when trying to launch Places>Computer from my vm
[22:03] <giles> disable compiz? but I don't know how to do that from the command line
[22:07] <giles> how can I disable compiz?
[22:07] <ripps> giles: metacity --replace
[22:09] <giles> ripps: thats a window manager, are you saying the gome wm is borked?
[22:10] <ripps> giles: notice the --replace, it's telling you to replace compiz with metacity. metacity is Gnome's default wm
[22:10] <giles> ripps: when I run that on the commandline It just tells me cannot connect to x server
[22:11] <ripps> giles: oh, I though you had booted int x... didn't read the convo above very well... I think you need to change a gconf key to boot metacity by default, let me look around
[22:11] <giles> ripps: ta
[22:13] <giles> .gconf/desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager/gconf.xml ?
[22:16] <giles> I think i fixed it.
[22:17] <ripps> giles: there's a tool for editing gconf, gconftool-2
[22:17] <giles> I just seded it.
[22:17] <giles> bye, hopefully this will be fixed soon
[22:23] <maxb> nixternal: Could you try rolling back the most recent mesa update? That solved for me a problem that sounds very similar to yours
[22:49] <DanaG> grr, I can't friggin' mount NTFS.
[22:49] <DanaG> Cannot get volume.fstype.alternative.
[22:50] <DanaG> And gnome keeps popping up dialogs, over and over and over, to tell me that one of my external volumes is full.
[22:50] <DanaG> It just did it again.
[22:51] <DanaG> and again.
[22:52] <DanaG> and again.
[22:52]  * BUGabundo poor DanaG
[22:53] <DanaG> yup, again.
[22:53]  * charlie-tca hands DanaG a really big hammer, again.
[22:54] <DanaG> !
[22:54] <DanaG> Does it really need to remind me every 5 goddamn seconds?
[22:54]  * BUGabundo hands the broom
[22:54] <DanaG> Or maybe 60.  whatever.
[22:55] <BUGabundo> DanaG: sudo umount /media/disk
[22:56] <DanaG> Now I have like 8 of those windows on my taskbar at once.
[22:58] <DanaG> It needs a "f*** off and die" button.
[23:00] <BUGabundo> calm down!
[23:01] <DanaG> http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/13410
[23:08] <DanaG> org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod : Method "Mount" with signature "ssas" on interface "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" doesn't exist
[23:19] <DanaG> ugh, all the reports I can find about that... are like a year old.
[23:20] <DanaG> I don't get it.
[23:22] <BUGabundo> regression?
[23:52] <arand> Is anyone able to install any packages using gdebi-gtk (amd64)?
[23:55] <nixternal> maxb: you still around?
[23:55] <nixternal> arand: looks like some apt issue, I am having problems doing 'apt-get update'
[23:56] <nixternal> maxb: if you get the chance, what was the exact command you used to rollback mesa? want to make sure i do it the same as you hoping I get the same results
[23:56] <Daviey> nixternal: People often get issues with the console when they are new to Ubuntu.  It might be worth trying the same command, with "sudo" tagged at the start.
[23:56] <Daviey> ie,sudo apt-get update
[23:57]  * Daviey grins
[23:57] <nixternal> Daviey: remind me next time we are together, I own you a slap :)
[23:58] <Daviey> :)
[23:59] <nixternal> I haven't rolled back an app in so long either


 @OVSCADMIN [Is there a flashable .zip of Ubuntu touch I can sideliad into TWRP?], No. Ubuntu Touch is not an Android ROM
[00:31] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> Does anyone know anything about T-Mobile starting to offer Ubuntu phones?
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[02:06] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> @dohbee [They aren't], I saw this and was curious. … https://www.zdnet.com/article/t-mobile-backs-ubuntu-smartphone/
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 @Paul JL [Too bad.], The T-mobile network is compatible with phones running Ubuntu Touch though - that's my carrier and I've used OnePlus One (getting 4G) and Meizu Pro 5 (only gets HSPA/3G) as daily drivers running UT.  The upcoming Volla Phone, that can be pre-ordered with UT on it, should also be compatible for 4G on T-mobile.
[04:50] <Maik> "The upcoming Volla Phone, that can be pre-ordered with UT on it," Can or could? because i can't find it anywhere that it can be pre-ordered with UT on it.
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[05:19] <Maik> @TotalSonic "The upcoming Volla Phone, that can be pre-ordered with UT on it," Can or could? because i can't find it anywhere that it can be pre-ordered with UT on it.
 @Maik [@TotalSonic "The upcoming Volla Phone, that can be pre-ordered with UT on it," C …], Orders are still being taken - when you add it to your cart, they ask for color (white or black) and OS you wish (Ubuntu Touch or Volla OS) - https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/volla-phone-free-your-mind-protect-your-privacy#/
 @Maik [@TotalSonic "The upcoming Volla Phone, that can be pre-ordered with UT on it," C …], [Edit] Orders are still being taken - when you add it to your cart, they ask for color (white or black) and OS you wish pre-installed (Ubuntu Touch or Volla OS) - https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/volla-phone-free-your-mind-protect-your-privacy
[05:22] <ubptgbot> #/
 I ordered mine in black with UT.
[05:36] <Maik> @TotalSonic ah, cool. Thanks.
 @TotalSonic [I ordered mine in black with UT.], How much did it cost u
 @Siddana [How much did it cost u], The prices are all on the page I linked above - depends on whether you are in EU or outside of it for cost for phone and shipping.
 @TotalSonic [Orders are still being taken - when you add it to your cart, they ask for color …], U kiddin with me
 It's Helio p23???
 I see these chipsets for like entry level smart phones
 Now even entry level smart phones have waaay more better specs
 Sorry if I offended some one
 Yea I know it's privacy os based stuff
 @Siddana [U kiddin with me], It's indeed a rebranded Gigaset 290 (which is assembled in Germany, so comes with a slightly higher price tag just for that) - with a slightly bigger 5000mah battery and a little nicer styling - but what you are really paying for is a company that is also developing and supporting both an advanced UT port a
[06:01] <ubptgbot> nd a de-Googled Android variant - as well as upcoming Sailfish and other open OS support, as well as development of a multi-OS boot loader.  Whether that is worth an extra $100 or so from what you can get for similar specs on a standard Android phone is up to you.  For me it is.
 @TotalSonic [It's indeed a rebranded Gigaset 290 (which is assembled in Germany, so comes wit …], Yea thats what for the os point of view you can pay that price
 @Siddana [Yea thats what for the os point of view you can pay that price], Well - in comparison to the other current "open OS" phones on the market - Pinephone is about half the price of Volla Phone, but has even worse specs.  And the Purism Librem 5 is about double the price of the Volla, but is really clunky hardware that still has n
[06:04] <ubptgbot> ot shipped after 3 years in development.
 Do u think the Ubuntu gsi thing is gonna affect these Linux phones
 I mean though we have to port valium our selves
 *halium
 I think development for the Volla phone has greatly helped with recent new UT ports
 I think there will be more and more Android phones supported.  The thing is some of them will likely have some part of the hardware not as well supported.  But likely in a year there will be some decent options that will have UBports Installer support for easy flashing, that will have all the device's hardware functioning properly.   P
[06:09] <ubptgbot> rojects like Volla are actually pushing forward the development of that - it's one of the first Halium 9 devices to be made working - and it looks like every function, with the exception of NFC (which still is not supported in UT itself), should be working when it ships in November
 @Siddana [U kiddin with me], [Edit] It's indeed a rebranded Gigaset GS290 (which is assembled in Germany, so comes with a slightly higher price tag just for that) - with a slightly bigger 5000mah battery and a little nicer styling - but what you are really paying for is a company that is also developing and supporting both an advanced
[06:12] <ubptgbot> UT port and a de-Googled Android variant - as well as upcoming Sailfish and other open OS support, as well as development of a multi-OS boot loader.  Whether that is worth an extra $100 or so from what you can get for similar specs on a standard Android phone is up to you.  For me it is.
 @TotalSonic [I think there will be more and more Android phones supported.  The thing is some …], Ok so even if you ignore the hardware,the software development for the Linux community is still going great right
 @Siddana [Ok so even if you ignore the hardware,the software development for the Linux com …], With a standard Android phone, you pay the price difference to the Voll phone in private data. See it this way. 😉
 @Siddana [Ok so even if you ignore the hardware,the software development for the Linux com …], Well right now - the UT team really could use someone that could get Anbox support from its current alpha stage, as well as more developers willing to tackle all kinds of feature requests - but in terms of getting the basics right - have to s
[06:20] <ubptgbot> ay OTA-13 is going to be a really nice release for polishing things.  And there's been some big breakthroughs in porting via Halium, as well as arm64 support - so I think 2021 is going to be a really good year for UT.
 Yeah
 Even I wanna use Ubuntu touch on my device
 But I'll have to port halium
 Can anyone help me
 I'm kinda noob
 I have Moto e5 plus
 @Siddana [But I'll have to port halium], Well first I would recommend reading the documentation and then  joining the porting group
 Ubport for samsung s9+?
 @..... [Ubport for samsung s9+?], Is it in this list? https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
 @Flohack [Is it in this list? https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/], Nope, mind port for samsung s9+?
 @..... [Nope, mind port for samsung s9+?], If you buy me a dervice ;)
 You cannot port without having the hardware
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/on22VTXa.webp
 @..... [<reply to media>], I mean nobody including me can port a device if he doesnt own it
 @Flohack [You cannot port without having the hardware], So if I get you the hardware - will you port it?
 @Wioxjk [So if I get you the hardware - will you port it?], First you need to ask yourself, is this a good candidate for porting: … - Does it have official LineageOS 7.1 or 9? … - Is it easily unlockable (Samsung should not be locked at all)? … - Does it have a notch or rounded corners, Ubuntu Touch will look odd on those devices ATM … -
[07:11] <ubptgbot> No support for NFC atm, Fingerprint sensor will come probably soon, but no guarantee … - You have to expect months of work until you get a usable device. … - There is no guarantee that it will work
 I have already too many ports in my queue but in principle, yes, if you find a porter that has time, it might work that way
 @Flohack [I have already too many ports in my queue but in principle, yes, if you find a p …], Understand!
 It is a Moto X Style (2015)
 I doubt it will be any interest in the future, since the device is starting to get old
 @Wioxjk [I doubt it will be any interest in the future, since the device is starting to g …], We should not wate too much time with old devices, people generally want new hardware, it creates a lot of trash but it is like it is ;)
 @Wioxjk [I doubt it will be any interest in the future, since the device is starting to g …], [Edit] We should not waste too much time with old devices, people generally want new hardware, it creates a lot of trash but it is like it is ;)
 @Flohack [We should not waste too much time with old devices, people generally want new ha …], Atleast it Ubuntu Touch works nicely with my Fairphone 2 :) I hope that it will be released to the FP3 soon!
 @ItsMeShouko [@Flohack can we have an option in store to hide web apps?], +1
 @Javacookies [I wish the ubports installer can extract and restore userdata  across devices... …], I did it with rsync from op3t to pinephone. Only some quirks with software releases db - delete solved it.
 @gischpelino [I did it with rsync from op3t to pinephone. Only some quirks with software relea …], it would be great if it can be done on the whole userdata partition. I've done it with my pinephone and it was like I did nothing 😄
 I would like to move userdata to sdcard and enlarge system on emmc, but don't know what will happen to OTA updates.
 I would think it will still work if you did it right. This is on the pinephone right?
 I tried enlarging the rootfs on my pinephone and it worked even after OTAs. Of course your changes in the root maybe be overwritten but the size still remains the same. This unlike on other loopback devices such as Nexus 5
 Hey! Is there any solution to `makedev` problem on libertine?
 @Javacookies [I tried enlarging the rootfs on my pinephone and it worked even after OTAs. Of c …], thx will try it and yes on pp.
 on my OnePlus3, I just noticed the Flash being on while doing nothing. I do not have a dedicated fashlight app installed and there is no system-settings or quick-access option to switch it on. What could have caused this? I am on the most recent edge image.
 Just giving out warning: this could burn out your flash or at the least run your battery out in minutes.
 So be advised everyone
 @matv1 [on my OnePlus3, I just noticed the Flash being on while doing nothing. I do not …], Did you enable it with your ear during a call?
[12:36] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> @matv1 [on my OnePlus3, I just noticed the Flash being on while doing nothing. I do not …], You didnt enable it throigh the dropdown battery indicator?
 @Siddana [It's Helio p23???], hahahha a mediatek?
 @Flohack [First you need to ask yourself, is this a good candidate for porting: … - Does it …], fingerprint sensor works on Erfan's GSI image
 @joeth [fingerprint sensor works on Erfan's GSI image], Yes but we need a solution to have it also on Halium 7.1 for older devices ;)
 @Boris Mihailov [You didnt enable it throigh the dropdown battery indicator?], I doubt that very much. I wasnt really using the phone all day. But maybe. Its theoretically possible. But I didnt make any calls today so not by holding it to my ear at least, as @Flohack  suggested.
 weird.
 it would take a really improbable combination of swipes/touches to do that by accident
 Can you run Whatsaap on that?
 @Bhojpuria_bhaia [Can you run Whatsaap on that?], you can use whatsapp web, but there's no official native WhatsApp client available for UT
 Oo  … N what about telegram?
 there is teleports app in openstore. but it doesn't have 100% feature parity to official app on android
 https://open-store.io to browse available apps (many are webapps, which are just a confined browser instance with the service's web site opened)
 (there is also telegram webapp, which is official web site that has more features, but no notifications)
 N just one more question … Will it run on  … Moto g6 play
 @dohbee [(there is also telegram webapp, which is official web site that has more feature …], Well n good then
 https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io
 i think that device is not supported
 It is but with a low compatibility
 I might have to look for something else … Can you suggest
 nexus 5, onepluse one, xperia x
 @Bhojpuria_bhaia [N just one more question … Will it run on  … Moto g6 play], You will have to port halium
 And then flash the Ubuntu gsi
 @Siddana [And then flash the Ubuntu gsi], that only works for android 9 devices (don't know if the device in question has android 9)
 @dohbee [that only works for android 9 devices (don't know if the device in question has …], How about flashing a custom ROM first
 @Siddana [How about flashing a custom ROM first], is there a lineageos 16.0 build for it?
 I guess so
 Why only lineage
 Basically it needs kernel source which boots perfectly right??
 @Siddana [Why only lineage], halium uses some lineage components and the lineage build system as far as I know
 @joeth [halium uses some lineage components and the lineage build system as far as I kno …], Oh
 @Siddana [Basically it needs kernel source which boots perfectly right??], if on 9 and you have Treble device, mostly yes
 Even I'm gonna port halium for my Moto e 5 plus
 Btw I have Lineage os for my device
 @dohbee [that only works for android 9 devices (don't know if the device in question has …], It has android 9
 @Danfro [Seems not to work here during a call. Neither to reduce nor to raise volumen.], Interesting Xperia phone - halium 7.1 ?
[16:31] <ubptgbot> Arnette Mcknight was added by: Arnette Mcknight
 hmm, why is it that i have to restart ssh on my xperia x every time I reboot so that it'll work … I don't remember having this behavior on my other UT devices (excluding pinephone).
 @Ern_st [Interesting Xperia phone - halium 7.1 ?], I am not 100% sure,but yes I think it is 7.1
 @Javacookies [hmm, why is it that i have to restart ssh on my xperia x every time I reboot so …], We also have to reboot for dev mode to be enabled. Who knows...
 @Danfro [We also have to reboot for dev mode to be enabled. Who knows...], really? haven't noticed that yet
 @Flohack [We should not waste too much time with old devices, people generally want new ha …], For old I usually say postmarketos as with mainline you get critical security fixes
 @amyosx [For old I usually say postmarketos as with mainline you get critical security fi …], except that most devices are not actually usable with that
 Yet yesh
 [Edit] Yet yeah
[17:25] <ubptgbot> <Nikhil Anand> I don't think this place is for a noob😄
 @Danfro [I am not 100% sure,but yes I think it is 7.1], Interesting the OP3 has the same bug under halium 7.1. ( but not under H9)
 @Javacookies [hmm, why is it that i have to restart ssh on my xperia x every time I reboot so …], Yep similar on OP3 too, evnen if already start, you need to restart it to acknowledge connections.
 probably a halium/gsi thing
 @amyosx [For old I usually say postmarketos as with mainline you get critical security fi …], That always depends. Android and Ubuntu Touch are not desktop OSes and as such the attack vectors are often not existing. Mobile OS hardening is much further, also due to the strict App sandboxing. I dont say its not possible but its very unlikel
[18:12] <ubptgbot> y that you get troubles with Ubuntu Touch because on an older kernel. … What all mainline experiments miss is working radio, good camera support and various smaller things like hardware acceleration, good powersaving, thermal engine protection, all things that could happen in the Android userspace, which you will loose with a mainlined kernel. You
[18:12] <ubptgbot> get a WiFi tablet, but not a mobile phone.
 @Flohack [That always depends. Android and Ubuntu Touch are not desktop OSes and as such t …], True, but a phone that old usually won't have a sim, I think I'm the only one who keeps their sim in the oldest phone they own lol
 (My e4.5)
 @amyosx [True, but a phone that old usually won't have a sim, I think I'm the only one wh …], We do want to be on new phones with Ubuntu Touch, and our goal is to have a first-class citizen on modern Android and Non-Android hardware. We cannot widen our userbase with old devices, no ordinary customer will be thrilled by that
 @Flohack [We do want to be on new phones with Ubuntu Touch, and our goal is to have a firs …], Yes i get that and thats why there isnt halium4. I feel like if anyone is messing around with old devices they should be willing to fix bugs themselves for another os
[18:58] <ubptgbot> Rudy W was added by: Rudy W
[19:20] <ubptgbot> Alexander Tsoutsanis was added by: Alexander Tsoutsanis
[19:26] <ubptgbot> <Alexander Tsoutsanis> Hi all, after updating MX4 arale (ubuntu edition) to OTA 10 back in fall 19, I am no longer able to access <settings> via the GUI at all. It simple reverts back to 'homescreen'. As  I want to update to OTA 12 (in the hope this glitch is fixed), I obviously need to enable dev mode. Problem: as I can't enable dev mode via GUI,
[19:26] <ubptgbot> I need to enable dev mode via Terminal.  Question: how do I enable dev mode via Terminal ? Thanks Alex
 Hey! Can anybody confirm that notifications in Pesbuk are working or not?
 @Javacookies [hmm, why is it that i have to restart ssh on my xperia x every time I reboot so …], I believe that is a known bug
[19:47] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> Can somebody help me out to setup an env to build parts of the ubuntu system? I'm interested in the onscreen keyboard to be precise.
[19:49] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> Most of the repos seem to not be working from the docs (I'm using 20.04)
 you can't build directly on 20.04
 you want to build on your PC to test changes on your device?
[19:55] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> Yes. Basically connect the device and push the changes to it or something
[19:55] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> I have a Xperia X with UBports on it
 If you want to build UT sources straight from the UBports Git repos I'd suggest setting up a chroot using the preferred rootfs (devel or edge).
 you can maybe use crossbuilder https://github.com/ubports/crossbuilder to build it for 16.04 arm64 and test it
 Yeah crossbuilder might work too, though from my experience its success rate is quite low for more "complex" packages.
[20:01] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> Would crossbuilder help me for the onscreen keyboard? I would actually like to test it
 You would have to try first, or someone who has worked on the OSK before tells you how best to build it.
 Just an FYI: crossbuilder requires LXD
 where's @Fuseteam and @Javacookies ^^
[20:22] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> Well at least I think I've setup the LXD and the crossbuilder, now to figure out how it works
 @Javacookies [probably a halium/gsi thing], Halium 7.1 is not GSI, it's a complete port.
[20:49] <ubptgbot> squad323 was added by: squad323
[20:51] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> Just to confirm, gpu acceleration doesnt work correctly on the Xperia X, right?
[20:52] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> Or is it just video decoding?
[21:13] <ubptgbot> <Arnette Mcknight> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/Uq2LbUhH.gif
 gpu accel works. so probably it's decoding
 Are there any games out there for ubt
 look in the store
 but yes
 @dohbee [look in the store], Good advice i forgot to look at thx
[22:56] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> Random question, is it possible to import passwords from chrome and all into morph?
 @Boris Mihailov [Random question, is it possible to import passwords from chrome and all into mor …], Maybe through Chromium but I could be wrong...
 @Boris Mihailov [Or is it just video decoding?], Which architecture/channel did you choose at install time, arm64/edge or fredldotme/devel?
 Video decoding should work fine.
[23:23] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> Devel
[23:23] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> @fredldotme [Which architecture/channel did you choose at install time, arm64/edge or fredldo …], Works with low resolutions on youtube, but has problems when getting to higher res
 Oh, you mean in the browser. Yeah, that's currently an issue, downloaded videos use GPU decoding though.
 Or at least the gstreamer-hybris backend, QtWebEngine/Chromium use ffmpeg with CPU decoding.
 [Edit] Or at least the gstreamer-hybris backend, QtWebEngine/Chromium uses ffmpeg with CPU decoding.
[23:25] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> I see
[23:59] <KNERD> Q: I see Nexus 5 is on the list of supported devices., but it is only 5.2 inches, meanwhile I see Nexus 5X  whcih is a little larger, and super cheap on eBay. Are those basically the same?


[19:47] <czajkowski> aloha
[19:52] <spikeb> hi
[19:59] <AlanBell> hi czajkowski
[19:59] <AlanBell> and spikeb
[20:01] <spikeb> :)


[05:14] <InHisName> Morning once again
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[10:20] <rmg51> Morning
[10:25] <JonathanD> hi rmg51
[10:25] <rmg51> o/
[10:25] <JonathanD> I wonder if our resident turkey survived.
[10:30] <rmg51> doesn't look like he did. no nick =-O
[10:35] <JonathanD> Uhoh.
[12:22] <InHisName> Yum !
[13:19] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys? and everything else
[13:54] <JonathanD> teddy-dbear: the turkeys are all gone.
[13:55] <teddy-dbear> that's why I used a ? in my greeting
[13:56] <teddy-dbear> is he hiding or was he eaten?