[03:15] <dw__> noob says "howdy"
[03:17] <dw__> is this a format in which I might receieve tech assistance with downloading/installing Kubuntu?
[03:27] <valorie> pfff, ask and disappear
[06:06] <CirclePixel> Is there a way to run the application dashboard (http://linuxbsdos.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/KDEMenu3-600x450.png) from terminal?
[06:07] <CirclePixel> I've been to my distro's channel, #kde, and all over google, can't find an answer of if it's possible or not.
[07:18] <Arthur_D> hi, I have an issue with KRunner in Kubuntu 14.04. I want to remove its transparency but I can't seem to find a way to control that
[07:19] <Arthur_D> I've found where I can control its blur, but not transparency - disabling the transparency effect in "Configure desktop effects" does nothing
[07:20] <basse> Arthur_D: i think it comes from the theme you are using
[07:20] <Arthur_D> the reason why I want to disable the transparency is that if there's a dark themed program, the krunner search results becomes nigh unreadable
[07:23] <Arthur_D> probably yes, but in Desktop theme -> Details, "Run command" it says "Air for netbooks" which is the theme I want to use for most stuff, but changing it in this specific instance to e.g. "Aya Run command" does not help either
[07:24] <Arthur_D> maybe both themes have similar transparency, but dunno where to check that or what to further investigate
[07:24] <hateball> Arthur_D: did you reload the session? perhaps it is needed
[07:24] <Arthur_D> didn't try that yet
[07:25] <hateball> or at least restarting krunner I guess
[07:25] <Arthur_D> yeah tried that unless it runs all the time in the background... hmm
[07:25] <hateball> It does
[07:27] <Arthur_D> just tried that, doesn't help - I'll try to log out and log in again, brb
[07:29] <Arthur_D> did not help, but as said maybe Aya has a similar transparency
[07:32] <Arthur_D> changing the whole theme to Aya did help though
[07:34] <CirclePixel> So anyone have an idea about launching the app dashboard as a terminal command
[07:34] <CirclePixel> or at least making some kinda shortcut for it?
[07:34] <CirclePixel> To be clear this is what I'm talking about: http://linuxbsdos.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/KDEMenu3-600x450.png
[07:37] <Arthur_D> found it
[07:37] <Arthur_D> it's under "Panel background"
[09:20] <aris_> hi room just intalled kubuntu 15.10 and after that the ppa kubuntu weekly stable in 15.04 worked great now after the first update from weekly stable i get this message about muon(sorry i m new to linux)error loading qml file file:///usr/share/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.muonnotifier/contents/ui/main.qml:23:1 plugin cannot be loadedfor module org.kde.muonnotifier
[09:24] <hateball> aris_: could you try updating using apt-get and see if that solves the problem?
[09:24] <hateball> assuming you are used to updating using the gui
[09:31] <aris_> yes
[09:32] <amichair> do kde point releases still get backported nowadays? I used to see them about once a month, now I barely see them anymore. Is it just me?
[09:33] <aris_> i searched for the command and i found sudo apt-get update didnt solve the problem
[09:33] <hateball> aris_: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get autoremove"
[09:34] <hateball> That should make sure you're fully updated, as well clean out old cruft like unused kernels
[09:34] <aris_> my friend all this in one command????
[09:35] <hateball> aris_: you can run them one by one, the && means the next command only happens if the one before ran OK
[09:35] <aris_> thanx
[09:36] <hateball> aris_: "update" checks what is new, "dist-upgrade" installs it, "autoremove" removes old stuff
[09:38] <aris_> yesterday night i did the update today i found the problem after sudo apt get update i get this W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net wily InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A12B6139432062D1
[09:38] <aris_> should i continue with the other commands
[09:39] <Yossarianuk> it means you are missing the gpg key for that PPA repo
[09:39] <lordievader> aris_: Add the key using 'sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys <keyid>
[09:47] <aris_> the key is NO_PUBKEY A12B6139432062D1 only A12..... without no_pubkey
[10:03] <aris_> in a fresh install in muon where should i place gpg key for that PPA repo
[10:04] <aris_> and is kubuntu weekly stable ok as a repo
[10:07] <lordievader> aris_: Like I said 'sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys A12B6139432062D1
[10:07] <lordievader> '
  thanx so far for the help the update finished ok but dist-upgrade says this
[10:18] <aris_> You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these.
[10:18] <aris_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[10:18] <aris_>  muon-updater : Depends: libmuon (= 4:5.4.2+git20151106.0036+15.10-0) but it is not installed
[10:18] <aris_> E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.
[10:23] <lordievader> What happens when you run that suggestion?
[10:25] <aris_> friend i m thinking i m not a power user maybe i can wait and do just sudo updates in one week maybe it should be ok and after that i remove the weekly stapble ppas
[10:25] <lordievader> The state will likely not change. Besides there is no need to be a power user, that is why we are here ;)
[10:26] <aris_> but i read in planet kde muon is unmaintained
[10:27] <aris_> so the command is apt-get -f install
[10:27] <Schalla> Good morning. After upgrading from 15.04 to 15.10 (system upgrade, no reinstall) my login is really slow. So after the login the desktop loads slowly, and then my taskbar needs about 10-20 seconds to show up, any issues known regarding that issue?
[10:28] <Schalla> (Its a FX-8150 with a SSD, can confirm it was not the case with 15.04)
[10:28] <lordievader> aris_: Yes, does it error?
[10:28] <lordievader> aris_: If it does could you pastebin the output?
[10:30] <aris_> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[10:30] <aris_>   muon-notifier muon-updater
[10:30] <aris_> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 2 to remove and 114 not upgraded.
[10:30] <aris_> 2 not fully installed or removed.
[10:30] <aris_> After this operation, 276 kB disk space will be freed.
[10:30] <aris_> Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
[10:30] <Schalla> aris_: http://paste.kde.org
[10:30] <hateball> Schalla: there is a bug with plasma-nm that should be out soon, it is in backports now iirc
[10:31] <hateball> for the slow login
[10:31] <Schalla> hateball: Just saw it on reddit, I expected something blocking there yup
[10:31] <amichair> Schalla: yes, there was, with bluez looking for bluetooth (even if the pc doesn't have it) synchronously
[10:31] <Schalla> Is there a way to disable bluetooth instead?
[10:31] <aris_> https://paste.kde.org/pvlmpr77r
[10:31] <hateball> Schalla: It doesnt matter
[10:31] <amichair> Schalla: it was already backported, you'll need it from the ppa I think
[10:31] <lordievader> !paste | aris_
[10:32] <lordievader> aris_: Continue ;)
[10:33] <amichair> Schalla: bug #354230
[10:33] <amichair> Schalla: kde bug #354230
[10:34] <Schalla> Yeah just ran apt-get upgrade, got plasma-nm in the list
[10:34] <Schalla> Lets see if that fix it. :)
[10:34] <aris_> muon doesnt exist anymore should i run update again
[10:35] <Schalla> Thanks hateball and amichair
[10:35] <lordievader> aris_: What is the output of 'dpkg -l|grep muon'?
[10:36] <amichair> Schalla: I hope that fixes your issue :-)
[10:36] <Schalla> We will see, sounds exactly like the issue I was having, since it just happens once at boot time its not that bad. :)
 aris_: What is the output of 'dpkg -l|grep muon'? is that a command????
[10:38] <Schalla> Yes
[10:38] <lordievader> aris_: Yes, the bit between ''.
[10:39] <Schalla> It lists the package you got installed and filters  for muon
[10:39] <aris_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13327263/
[10:40] <Schalla> https://paste.kde.org/p7jw0dq5h
[10:40] <lordievader> aris_: sudo apt-get install muon
[10:40] <Schalla> ^ those I got installed on a working 15.10
[10:41] <aris_> should i run an update again why not
[10:43] <lordievader> aris_: Sure, go ahead. But install the 'muon' package afterwards.
[10:43] <lordievader> Or not if you are fine with apt ;)
[10:47] <aris_> guys ci stable has a lot of stuff by the way the upgrade from 15.04 to 15.10 was a disaster so i did a clean install in a new partition
[10:50] <aris_> finished but muon nowhere so i guess i have to google more and learn the terminal way
[10:51] <aris_> Thanx everyone for the help and the time. Its time for me to learn some commands
[10:51] <lordievader> aris_: Have you ran 'sudo apt-get install muon'?
[10:52] <aris_> dont know any commands friend thanx again i ll do it
[10:53] <aris_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13327428/
[10:55] <aris_> anyone here uses weekly stable or only me hahahaha
[10:55] <lordievader> aris_: Interesting, what is the output of 'apt-cache policy muon muon-updater libmuon'?
[11:00] <aris_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13327510/
[11:00] <AVIVA76Q761> hi
[11:09] <lordievader> aris_: What happens when you try to install libmuon?
[11:11] <aris_> install libmuon how i only know throu gui sorry
[11:14] <aris_> did it http://paste.ubuntu.com/13327681/
[11:14] <lordievader> aris_: Same way ;) 'sudo apt-get install libmuon'
[11:14] <lordievader> aris_: Ah, what is the output of 'apt-cache policy software-properties-kde'?
[11:15] <aris_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13327716/
[11:17] <lordievader> Hmm, I suppose you can install that: sudo apt-get install software-properties-kde
[11:17] <aris_> lordievader you have great patience with all that hi 5 u rock
[11:18] <lordievader> aris_: Heh, thanks.
[11:18] <aris_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13327764/
[11:18] <aris_> i thank you
[11:20] <aris_> as i understand weekly stable is not for me in 15.04 though it worked fine
[11:20] <lordievader> This is a deep rabbit hole... What is the output of 'apt-cache policy python3-pyqt5'?
[11:21] <lordievader> Any reason you specifically went with the ci instead of the backports ppa?
[11:22] <aris_> was reading the news and planet kde a simple user who wanted to see the progress only grave bugs could bother me I thought until today
[11:23] <lordievader> Hmm, I'd ppapurge the ci one and install the backports one if I were you.
[11:24] <aris_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13327836/
[11:25] <Odur> Anybody knows when Framework 5.16 will be packaged?
[11:25] <lordievader> aris_: Is that package installable?
[11:26] <aris_> python3-pyqt5 sou mean???
[11:27] <lordievader> aris_: Yes.
[11:29] <aris_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13327901/
[11:31] <lordievader> aris_: As I figured. I suppose you see a trend in the command I gave you? You can follow the rabbit hole down to the end, you'll probably find something that depends on a package which should be in the ppa but isn't. Or you decide to purge the ci ppa and (optionally) install the backports ppa.
[11:32] <Odur> And same question about KDE Applications 15.08.3
[11:33] <aris_> lordievader plasma 5.4 was great in 15.04 i will wait some time to see if things get fixed with updates  but i have time i dont have the knowledge this situation wil help you find something missing or you are doing that for me
[11:33] <lordievader> Odur: The best answer I can give you is "whenever the packagers get round to it".
[11:34] <aris_> i want to help but it s bad to bother u so many hours sorry again
[11:35] <Odur> lordievader: Yeah, I thought so :) Just wondered because it has always been promptly done before, but now when Riddle has stepped down I'm seeing a slowdown
[11:36] <lordievader> aris_: To be honest I am not entirely willing to go down the rabbit hole any further. I guess, and this is just a theory, you have found a drawback of ci. It is a rather automatic process. Packages are published if they build. There is less checking on wether they are actually installable.
[11:36] <lordievader> As I said before, I'd switch to the backports ppa.
[11:36] <lordievader> Odur: Part of the fire is gone... :(
[11:37] <Odur> Yeah, I've noticed
[11:38] <yofel> ci-daily has an installability check, so that should work, the ci build archives are random build fragments
[11:39] <aris_> lordievader by waiting do i have a chance to see them fixed in a while a dont work on the pc so it s ok
[11:39] <lordievader> I stand corrected ;)
[11:39] <lordievader> aris_: Perhaps, I don't really know.
[11:40] <yofel> Odur: we're still catching up on several months of nobody doing management and our workflow is partially broken. Once that's fixed operations should get a bit faster again
[11:40] <lordievader> \o/
[11:41] <aris_> thanx anyway and try not to spend your time helping so much the newbies you are very very kind thanx for your time and effort
[11:42] <Odur> yofel: Good to hear! Good luck :)
[11:42] <lordievader> aris_: I like helping people ;)
[11:43] <aris_> dude u overdo it careful world is very selfish unfortunately
[11:44] <lordievader> aris_: Doesn't mean I should be ;)
[11:45] <aris_> have a nice day or night all
[11:54] <Odur> yofel: Oh, just noticed that KDE Applications are in Kubuntu-staging ppa. More testing needed?
[12:20] <yofel> Odur: testing feedback to sgclark in -devel would be nice, yes. The packages are marked as testing at least.
[12:29] <Karvers> Necesito ayuda en español con Kubuntu 15.10
[12:29] <Karvers> Por favor es a causa de un Crash en el inicio
[12:29] <hateball> !es | Karvers
[12:30] <Karvers> gracias :D
[12:30] <hateball> :)
[12:34] <Karvers> Nadie responde en ese canal T_T
[13:10] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:21] <Smurphy> Howdy BluesKaj  :)
[13:45] <jutta> hi there :)
[13:46] <jutta> how to check, if my sensors are healthy, please ?
[13:48] <BluesKaj> Hey Smurphy, what's up today?
[13:49] <Smurphy> BluesKaj: Not much. Managed to fix a nasty bug in Owncloud... (Well, found a workaround) that cause my NAS to have an average load of 1 ...
[13:49] <Smurphy> Owncloud is broken ... *sigh*
[13:49] <Smurphy> but it's the best we got if we don't want to use Google/Microsoft/Apple cloud...
[13:51] <BluesKaj> well, I keep media on an outboard drive, but my needs are simple, no need for a cloud server
[13:53] <Smurphy> well - got 3 girls and a wife, and we need to keep our calendars and contacts in sync. And - as the girls tend to play a lot around with their phones - they break things quite often.,
[13:53] <Smurphy> Best is to have the data on the cloud by then ;)
[13:53] <BluesKaj> I use dropbox to share files with family which is very rare these days
[13:56] <BluesKaj> my kids are all grown and gone living busy lives , a son and 3 daughters
[13:57] <Smurphy> heh. Big family :) I only share stuff via mail + pgp with my family.
[13:58] <Smurphy> PGP because some keep their stuff on Google or so, and when it is pgp encrypted, even they can't look into it.
[13:58] <Smurphy> *EvilGrinning*
[14:01] <jubo2> Got a full / partition
[14:01] <BluesKaj> we exchange pictures mostly and usually email is sufficient for that
[14:01] <jubo2> what was that 'sudo apt command' to remove the unnecessary files ( there are lot of kernel images and headers no longer used ?
[14:02] <jubo2> sudo apt autoremove ?
[14:02] <BluesKaj> jubo2, sudo apr-get autoremove && sudo apt-get autoclean
[14:02] <jubo2> BluesKaj: apr-get ?
[14:02] <jubo2> typo
[14:02] <jubo2> ok. I run
[14:02] <BluesKaj> ok , typo
[14:03] <jubo2> only 500MB
[14:03] <jubo2> there's gotta be something in /tmp or thereabouts
[14:03] <BluesKaj> your / fills up due to old files hanging around after package updates and upgrades
[14:04] <jubo2> I made / 20GB
[14:04] <BluesKaj> how large is your / partition?
[14:04] <jubo2> I belive the dynamic duo of #kubuntu suggested 15GB would be adequate
[14:04] <hateball> Depending on what you install that might be small. But it should be sufficient for most
[14:05] <BluesKaj> 20G should be plenty unless you have game packages and wine etc
[14:05] <jubo2> BluesKaj: 'df' shows 0% free still
[14:06] <clivejo> Smurphy:  Kolab lets you share email, calendars, to-do, notes, files etc.  You can self host or subscribe to KolabNow
[14:06] <jubo2> comparing the 1K-blocks and the Used I can see there is ~1GB free there but it just ain't manifesting
[14:06] <jubo2> available 0
[14:07] <BluesKaj> ju well then you obviously have a lot of apps installed
[14:07] <BluesKaj> jubo2,^
[14:08] <Yossarianuk> Smurphy: I wonder how long till governments try to outlaw PGP ....
[14:08] <jubo2> I reboot
[14:09] <jubo2> or should I 'sudo rm -rf *' in /tmp
[14:09] <jubo2> hold on.. /tmp is cleaned upon shutdown isn't it ?
[14:09] <hateball> that's unwise
[14:09] <hateball> yes
[14:09] <BluesKaj>  15G  6.2G  8.1G  44% / here, but I get rid of stuff I don't want and need
[14:09] <jubo2> I reboot?
[14:09] <hateball> isnt /tmp located on ramdisk by default these days?
[14:10] <BluesKaj> only if you move it to a ramdisk
[14:10] <Smurphy> clivejo: I have installed Kolab in the past, and it was a pain to setup and use. And there is much I was not allowed to do (Securing down etc.).
[14:11] <jubo2> or will I just be looking at an unbootable system due to "no space left on device" ?
[14:11] <Smurphy> Reason I have my own implementation of Mail-Server with admin/user UI, Web-Server/Application - and that's it.
[14:12] <BluesKaj> jubo2, what kind of apps do you have installed that take up so much room?
[14:12] <jubo2> hmm..
[14:12] <jubo2> Prlly Kmail now that I think of it
[14:12] <hateball> jubo2: it will boot, root has 5% reserved so the system can survive
[14:12] <hateball> unless you changed it, that is
[14:12] <jubo2> where does it store the thousands of emails I've got
[14:12] <hateball> jubo2: In ~/home somewhere
[14:13] <jubo2> I reboot now
[14:13] <hateball> err, ~/ ;d
[14:13] <jubo2> Got the netbook operational too
[14:13] <jubo2> lovely Kubuntu15.10 64-bit
[14:13] <jubo2> just in case one machine is borked it is good to have more then one computer
[14:13] <jubo2> seeya
[14:14] <hateball> hmmm, I could swear ubuntu moved to /tmp on tmpfs with zram... but I may have been dreaming. I will have to check what I have when I get home
[14:15] <Smurphy> :}
[14:19] <jubo2> /dev/sda8       19645308   9772296   8852036  53% /
[14:19] <jubo2> wheew
[16:32] <nufc179> NEED HELP
[16:34] <nufc179> all the text has gone small after install of nvidia driver on 14.04 have tryed all driver but all the same when i try to change the res nvidia box comes up say somthing like cannot change ect text 2 small 2 read
[16:34] <marco-parillo> Could you describe your problem?
[16:41] <nufc179> its the first prob i have hade with this all other liunx OS i have hade no prob with the res after i have installed the nivdia drivers should i just try the new 15.10
[16:44] <BluesKaj>  nufc179 your resolution has increased , just reset your font sizes in system settings>fonts
[16:46] <nufc179> thanks BluesKaj will give that a try if i can see what am doing
[17:20] <t3chguy> Hey guys, since this morning my kubuntu laptop doesn't show anything on the display while in kubuntu. I'm still able to ctrl+alt+1 and run commands after logging in. Any idea? External display also doesn't work and the laptop's own display shows the laptop logo while booting then nothing but backlight
[17:24] <BluesKaj> t3chguy, have updated and upgraded with apt in the VT/TTY ?
[17:25] <t3chguy> I tried, though I cannot be sure that it actually updated anything
[17:25] <t3chguy> Is it possible to update packages from a liveusb?
[17:26] <t3chguy> I had muon updater update everything last night
[17:30] <Sunny_> could you please tell me how to install all necessary codecs via terminal
[17:30] <Sunny_> ??
[17:30] <Sunny_> and which media player is best for kubuntu 15.10
[17:30] <Sunny_> ??
[17:38] <AppAraat> Sunny_: in terms of media players I always went with VLC
[17:41] <Sunny_> thank you "AppAraat"
[17:56]  * sudhirkhanger is thinking about installing backports in 14.04. Hope it's stable.
[20:10] <Korbak> Bonjour
[20:10] <Korbak> J'ai un clavier qui fait nawak
[20:10] <soee> !fr
[20:10] <Korbak> Quelque touche ne fonctionnent pa
[20:10] <heinkel_111> !fr
[20:10] <Korbak> Ok ryt
[20:11] <heinkel_111> bonjour Korbak
[20:11] <Korbak> Bonjour heinkel_111
[20:11] <heinkel_111> on n'entend pas le Francais ici
[20:11] <Korbak> Vu
[20:11] <Korbak> Je go FR :)
[20:14] <Smurphy> ah bon ? Je parles francais pourtant :)
[20:15] <Smurphy> s/s//g
[20:50] <jubo2> Heyas
[20:50] <soee> hiho
[20:50] <jubo2> I gonna install Kubuntu15.10 alongside OS X on mi mum's MacBook Pro
[20:50] <jubo2> no hurdles right?
[20:51] <jubo2> The mac disks are shrinkable like NTFS is?
[20:52] <jubo2> and I don't need any stupid AAPL bootloader but can just write the GRUB on /dev/sda right?
[21:03] <amundsen> hi
[21:04] <amundsen> does anybody know if snappy will be the default app installer in 16.04?
[21:07] <mparillo> amundsen: I am unaware of any plans by the Kubuntu team to package KDE apps for snappy. If the Ubuntu infrastructure makes it happen automagically, then maybe.
[22:30] <Leonardo_> hi!
[22:33] <bprompt> allo
[22:33] <Leonardo_> hi, anyone speak portuguese?
[22:33] <bprompt> !pt | Leonardo_
[22:35] <Leonardo_> anyone knows how install amd drivers on kubunt
[22:35] <Leonardo_> ?
[22:36] <bprompt> Leonardo_:     hmmm, depends on what form the installation is in I assume
[22:37] <Leonardo_> --buildpkg Ubuntu/wily
[22:37] <bprompt> Leonardo_:    but usually, in kubuntu, you can just run --> jockey-kde <-- to check for drivers
[22:40] <Leonardo_> Cmd not found
[22:41] <valorie> jockey is gone, I believe
[22:41] <valorie> we have a driver manager now
[22:41] <Leonardo_> i have adtional drivers to install but i dont know what happens when instal it. the screen crashs afters restart
[22:42] <Leonardo_> after that i need to rm xorg and purge fglrx
[22:42] <valorie> !
[22:42] <valorie> seems extreme
[22:42] <valorie> in krunner, just type driver and the kcm will be your first choice
[22:43] <valorie> this should all be automatic
[22:43] <valorie> !krunner
[22:43] <valorie> pfff
[22:43] <valorie> alt+f2 or more lately, alt+space
[22:43] <valorie> and type driver
[22:43] <bprompt> valorie:    well then, I'll just have to make a symlink to the driver manager called "jockey-kde" then =)
[22:44] <valorie> heh
[22:44] <valorie> jockey was showing its age
[22:45] <valorie> also, in the commandline, `sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a` might help
[22:45] <valorie> possibly something didn't finish configuring
[22:47] <VeryBewitching> I'm having a strange issue with KTorrent, I logged a bug on Launchpad about it, but has anyone else experienced KTorrent going into prolonged 'disk sleep' CPU state that causes the UI to become unresponsive?  On 15.10
[22:47] <VeryBewitching> Not the whole desktop, just KTorrent itself becomes unresponsive.
[22:48] <valorie> interesting
[22:48] <valorie> I use it all the time to seed all the *buntu ISOs
[22:48] <valorie> no problems here
[22:48] <VeryBewitching> valorie: I seed Kubuntu ISO too
[22:48] <valorie> and that's 87 seeds....
[22:48] <valorie> cool
[22:49] <VeryBewitching> I've had 0 problems with 15.10 so far besides this one.
[22:49] <VeryBewitching> I'm getting ready to wipe out the ktorrent configuration to see if that fixes it.
[22:49] <valorie> I figure there aren't many seeds for some of the rare ISOs so why not take a few mins to set those up
[22:49] <valorie> I have nice bandwidth for it
[22:50] <VeryBewitching> valorie: Ya, I'm on unlimited bandwidth, 100Mbps
[22:50] <valorie> sec


[07:46] <dholbach> good morning
[19:56] <micahg> we seem to have lost the bot in #ubuntu-devel
[19:56] <Myrtti> you're not the only one
[19:56] <EvilResistance> did ubottu die again >.>
[19:57] <AlanBell> it is not dead, it is restin'
[19:57] <EvilResistance> you mean like the other 50 bots of mine that died in the netsplits and ping timeouts?
[19:57] <EvilResistance> s/50/5/
[19:57]  * EvilResistance has a glitchy keyboard
[19:57] <AlanBell> pining for the fyords
[19:58] <AlanBell> it is unrelated to the massive problems at the hetzner datacentre today
[20:02] <Myrtti> ubottu saw some nice deals on Lilypad Arduinos and decided to go shopping for new gear to make herself more mobile
[21:34] <MikeVaughanG> ?
[21:35] <MikeVaughanG> ?


[02:45] <sok> before asking for help... file a bug... but at this stage i'm not sure its my own mistake... how to file a bug for my own retardation...
[02:53] <sok>  /usr/lib/libGL.so is missing, /usr/lib/nvidia337/libGL.so exists, should i sym link to fix this error or is there something obvious i am missing?
[21:19] <sok> should i mix ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa with ppa:bumblebee/stable ? i notice xorg-edgers do not update primus or primuslib


[12:05] <Lord_Athur> jajaj
[12:05] <Lord_Athur> ok
[12:05] <Lord_Athur> then mhz do i past here the error???????????????????
[12:06] <mhz> Lord_Athur: no idea how to help you because the only times I have had problems with initrd files is when kernel has got errors
[12:06] <mhz> Lord_Athur: nope
[12:06] <Lord_Athur> when I pasted it on ubuntu, someone baned me
[12:06] <mhz> exactly
[12:06] <Lord_Athur> :D
[12:06] <Lord_Athur> hehehe
[12:06] <mhz> there is a 'pastebin' site
[12:06] <Lord_Athur> yes
[12:06] <mhz> I dont recall any now
[12:06] <lucasvo> anyone know what I can do?
[12:07] <Lord_Athur> I used it, but from this moment nobody tries to help me
[12:07] <mhz> but if you use that and paste here only the url of your paste.. that's ok
[12:07] <mhz> noone can ban you for that
[12:07] <lucasvo> I can't see anything strange on tty04
[12:07] <Lord_Athur> lucasvo, i cannot see anything strange there
[12:07] <mhz> lucasvo: I'd love to but i have not installed a thing in months
[12:07] <lucasvo> is it possible that loading a single module takes more than 1h?
[12:08] <mhz> nope
[12:08] <mhz> IMHO, thoug
[12:08] <lucasvo> mhz: how can I manually load a module?
[12:08] <lucasvo> insmod isofs: file not ofund
[12:08] <lucasvo> ah strange, isofs already seems to be loaded
[12:08] <jouni__m> lucasvo modprobe isofs I guess
[12:09] <mhz> lucasvo: modules are loaded by using 'modprobe the_module'
[12:09] <lucasvo> yeah
[12:09] <lucasvo> so it is only the installer
[12:09] <lucasvo> which crashes
[12:09] <lucasvo> :(
[12:09] <mhz> lucasvo: did you try 'hitting the box'  with love?
[12:10] <mhz> (we call that 'hitting' "el golpe tecnico" in Chile)
[12:10] <mhz> :D
[12:10] <Lord_Athur> jajaj
[12:10] <Lord_Athur> iok
[12:10] <mhz> lucasvo: I had similar trouble with a damaged CD
[12:10] <mhz> ofcourse, I never new it was damaged until then
[12:10] <mhz> :(
[12:11] <Lord_Athur> mhz, is there is a edubuntu man, who is the ubuntu & kubuntu sr?
[12:12] <Lord_Athur> lo dije mal
[12:12] <Lord_Athur> xD
[12:12] <lucasvo> hm, is there any way, how to do a manual installation?
[12:12] <Lord_Athur> me va psimo con el ingls
[12:12] <mhz> lucasvo: what do you have in mind?
[12:13] <lucasvo> mhz: not using debconf
[12:14] <lucasvo> or just skip the step which comes after modprobe isofs
[12:14] <jouni__m> lucasvo I usually do expert or server install and then install ubuntu-desktop in your case edubuntu-desktop
[12:14] <mhz> lucasvo: oh, like 'installing from scratch'?
[12:14] <lucasvo> jouni__m: I want a server install
[12:14] <lucasvo> jouni__m: but can I do that without debconf?
[12:14] <mhz> lucasvo: server is safer than any mode AFAIK
[12:15] <lucasvo> I am using server install
[12:15] <mhz> oh
[12:15] <mhz> flight 2 or breezy?
[12:15] <lucasvo> I just wan't an IPtables firewall :D
[12:15] <lucasvo> breezy
[12:16] <mhz> but you can set IpTables from any machine
[12:16] <lucasvo> hm?
[12:16] <jouni__m> ubuntu server install is minimal install without gnome or KDE don't know what edubuntu has
[12:17] <lucasvo> jouni__m: yeah, but still, it crashes after loading the isofs
[12:19] <lucasvo> hm, let's try what happens, when I load isofs before
[12:19] <jouni__m> lucasvo oh no. do you have (k)ubuntu cd?
[12:20] <lucasvo> jouni__m: the problem is, I have no cd drive
[12:20] <lucasvo> waaaa
[12:20] <lucasvo> now it crashes, when it loads ide-cd, at 92%
[12:24] <lucasvo> silly
[12:24] <lucasvo> it crashes at 92% all the time, doesn't depend on which module I load
[12:35] <lucasvo> ogra: can you help me with pxe install?
[12:38] <ogra> just use your ltsp server ;)
[12:39] <ogra> and provide the installer image instead of the normal ltsp images
[12:39] <lucasvo> ogra: and replace wich files with what?
[12:40] <ogra> the files in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp with the ones from the url i gave you for the netboot installer
[12:40] <lucasvo> ogra: ok thanks
[12:44] <lucasvo> ogra: would it boot wih ltsp?
[12:45] <ogra> why shouldnt it
[12:45] <ogra> but since you wanted to install, i'd use the install image
[12:47] <lucasvo> hm, there is a LAN option, but it doesn't seem to be pxe
[02:07] <Lord_Athur> re
[02:51] <mhz> ogra_ibook: what do you think about this simplicity for CSS rc1 ? http://ubuntu-cl.org/Wiki/Inicio
[02:51] <mhz> (is it too simple?)
[02:58] <kjcole> Hi mhz, (and others)... Are we meeting in 10 hours?  Or is this a week we're off?
[03:05] <kjcole> Oops.  Never mind.  I found it. ("No" for those of you who might also be wondering.  Next meeting on Jan 11.)
[03:07] <crimsun> right, I was pointing to fridge.u.c as listing the next meeting as 8 days away before this coffee shop's wifi connectivity broke. Again.
[03:11] <mhz> kjcole: crimsun:  Topic for #ubuntu-meeting is: Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ |  5 Jan 20:00 UTC: Dapper Development Status | 10 Jan 15:00 UTC: Community Council | 11 Jan 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu
[03:12] <kjcole> mhz, So I'm illiterate.  What else is new? ;-)  Thanks.  (I found it in the wiki as well.)
[03:12] <mhz> lol
[03:13] <mhz> kjcole: how's the doc going (me still can't contribute to it)
[03:13] <mhz> I hope you wont tell me "you did not want to contribute, mhz"
[03:13] <mhz> :D
[03:13] <kjcole> mhz, I was just thinking about mentioning that.
[03:14] <kjcole> mhz, Honestly, I'
[03:14] <Lord_Athur> hi
[03:15] <mhz> kjcole: heheh
[03:15] <kjcole> mhz, Honestly, I'm not certain how to work this as a book:  Although Jeff and I keep saying we welcome contributors, there's also a sense from both of us that the face-to-face meetings can't be beat.  Since the original doc is around 150 printed pages, we're treating it like co-authors still.
[03:16] <kjcole> mhz, we're hoping to pass through it at least once as a two-some, and then, as I understand it, open up the contributing process a bit more.
[03:17] <kjcole> mhz, however, lucasvo has made a bzr branch off of the main branch, and is editing as well.
[03:18] <mhz> kjcole: so can we contribute now?
[03:18] <Lord_Athur> hi!!!
[03:18] <kjcole> mhz, I'm becoming slowly more comfortable with bzr, but am still a bit nervous working with it, and am not certain how to handle conflicts in merges.
[03:18] <mhz> I remember last thing you told me about not being ready to do so (BZR issues)
[03:18] <kjcole> Hi, Lord_Athur
[03:18] <mhz> Lord_Athur: hi, what's the problem?
[03:19] <Lord_Athur> :D hi kjcole
[03:19] <kjcole> mhz, still some bzr problems.
[03:19] <Lord_Athur> I need to mount a squashfs file
[03:19] <Lord_Athur> ogra game information about the squashfs-tools package
[03:19] <mhz> Lord_Athur: so? is that why you needed us to say 'hi' so urgently ?
[03:19] <Lord_Athur> :D
[03:20] <mhz> kjcole: what are your current problems?
[03:20] <Lord_Athur> it was only to see who is avalible to talk :D
[03:20] <kjcole> mhz, but mostly our understanding of bzr, I think.
[03:21] <kjcole> mhz, it's damned slow about downloading a branch for one thing (and not very informative when it does).  It looks like it hangs, but really it's still doing a download.
[03:21] <mhz> ohhh
[03:22] <kjcole> mhz, the main problem in my experiments is that when you have two documents that conflict, it tries to do something intelligent, but I don't know the best way to interpret what it returns.
[03:22] <mhz> kjcole: I only tested BZR once, when I tried to start contributing to your doc efforts
[03:22] <mhz> kjcole: lol!
[03:23] <mhz> kjcole: and did you feel the same with SVN?
[03:24] <kjcole> mhz, For example, if you have a file named "text" and you edit it in two different branches, then merge, it produces a "text" file with both changes and some markers indicating that the changes overlap.  In addition it creates three other "text.*" files.
[03:24] <mhz> kjcole: hmmm, that sounds weired to me too
[03:25] <kjcole> mhz, never used a RCS before.  So I don't know anything about cvs, svn or the original bazaar.  I'm brand new to this.
[03:25] <mhz> kjcole: and of course, i guess you have talked to ogra about it
[03:25] <mhz> kjcole: i get your feelings
[03:25] <kjcole> mhz, I've spoken with him somewhat, but he's a bit overworked I think. ;-)
[03:25] <mhz> he's indeed
[03:26] <mhz> he's Mr. Edubuntu
[03:26] <mhz> kjcole: we 're just the ones about to die, saluting :)
[03:26] <kjcole> mhz, Since both you and lucasvo continue expressing a lot of interest in editing, I'm wondering if a small IRC meeting between you, me, jelkner and lucasvo can be arranged, so that we're all making decisions together.
[03:27] <mhz> or, we could use a Moin wiki to edit and it automatically keeps a CVS in the back-end
[03:27] <mhz> :)
[03:27] <mhz> so we can alwasy revert changes
[03:28] <mhz> and edit what we all are doing
[03:28] <mhz> :)
[03:28] <mhz> and even create a huge mess
[03:28] <mhz> but I am for taking advantage of it over messing it up
[03:28] <mhz> so dont worry
[03:28] <mhz> kjcole: I know Moin can generate XML
[03:29] <kjcole> mhz, you and moin remind me about the way some folks feel about vi versus emacs. ;-)  Fanatical.
[03:29] <mhz> easily and cleanly
[03:29] <mhz> kjcole: of course, that's the idea :)
[03:29] <mhz> but I can prove my point, so that's one big difference in my favour :D, kjcole
[03:30] <kjcole> mhz, Personally, I don't care which way we go.  However, as far as I know, jelkner's the only one of us who has a book in print.  So, I've been quite willing to follow his lead on this.
[03:30] <mhz> of course, I understand
[03:30] <mhz> but could you gimme the pleasure to give it just one try to show him and you why I insist on this?
[03:31] <mhz> Could you provide me with just a chapter
[03:31] <mhz> my only concern would be I have no idea what to do with an xml file when I get it ;)
[03:31] <kjcole> mhz, I do strongly want to lean towards bzr, over cvs, since there's a lot of energy from Ubuntu in that direction.  However, wiki markup, versus other types of markup, I don't have strong feelings about.
[03:32] <mhz> good point
[03:32] <mhz> I do agree DockBook is the best markup for textas
[03:32] <mhz> -s
[03:32] <mhz> -as
[03:33] <mhz> but if we only needed Headings and bolds and italics and Codelistings, then Moin is my #1 candidate
[03:34] <mhz> but again, I have no clue about XML so I can't say much
[03:34] <kjcole> mhz, The standard is Docbook (XML), you want moin (wiki), jelkner wants lore (twisted HTML), and I don't really care, as long as we settle on one.  Since Jeff and I have been meeting weekly, lore became the winner.
[03:34] <mhz> yup
[03:35] <mhz> so, our only problem is RCS ?
[03:35] <mhz> we solve that and we are ready to go?
[03:35] <mhz> go = rock
[03:35] <kjcole> I don't know Docbook, but am learning a little about XML.  I do know wiki, and HTML.  Lore was pretty simple to learn (I thought).  Not much to it.
[03:37] <mhz> do you edit XML with a front-end GUI or code?
[03:37] <kjcole> mhz, I don't know: Assuming the RCS is fine, if we are all choosing different markups, then it is still a problem: Either we convince you to go with lore, or you convince jelkner to go with moin, or all three of us learn Docbook.
[03:37] <mhz> LOL
[03:38] <kjcole> mhz, lore is really HTML, not XML.  My small experiments in XML have been raw coding, but I did find an editor which tries to help a little:
[03:39] <mhz> kjcole: I can't insist on Moin if I am ignorant on XML, because in the end we gotta export Moin 2 XML (which people who masters XML do very easily).
[03:39] <kjcole> conglomerate is the name of the editor.
[03:40] <mhz> kjcole: ok, but today, on daily basis, when you sit and edit the edubuntu cookbook, do you use a window with buttons for bold, italics, headings, etc? or open Emacs and start editing raw code?
[03:40] <kjcole> mhz, conglomerate doesn't eliminate the need to know XML but it attempts to highlight things correctly and show you where problems occur with validating.
[03:41] <kjcole> mhz, day-to-day, it's emacs.  (jelkner likes vi, I like emacs, but it's still raw for both of us.)
[03:42] <mhz> hmm
[03:42] <mhz> so it's not like you have a window where you select 'heading' and immediately inserts a H2
[03:42] <kjcole> mhz, I find it fairly easy to remember italicize this and boldface this and underline this.  Not a lot of markup to learn.
[03:43] <mhz> hehe
[03:43] <mhz> it was an example
[03:43] <mhz> some stuff is very simple, indeed
[03:43] <mhz> IIRC there was a XML GUI book editor...
[03:44] <kjcole> mhz, nope.  And I find when editing, if I have to take my hands off the keyboard to play with the mouse, it slows me down.  And if there's a keyboard shortcut for
 it doesn't help me that much.
[03:46] <crimsun> if anyone's based in the Baltimore/D.C. area, I'll be passing through on the 22nd/23rd of this month if you want to sign keys.
[03:46] <kjcole> mhz, however, with XML in emacs, if you add the right "plugin" or "emacs mode", it almost does what you want:  Something like Control-C, C and then part of a tag will add both the starting and ending tags, and then sometimes offer possible tags to add between.
[03:47] <kjcole> crimsun, I'm in Brain-Washington, DC but without wheels.
[03:47] <kjcole> crimsun, jelkner is also in this area.
[03:48] <crimsun> kjcole: ok
[03:48] <kjcole> crimsun, so are you passing through both Washington and Baltimore?
[03:49] <crimsun> kjcole: yes, but I'll be in Baltimore primarily
[03:49] <mhz> kjcole: sorry, it was Lyx for LaTex
[03:50] <mhz> and the other was kxmleditor (if you use KDE)
[03:50] <kjcole> mhz, I've fooled with LyX too.  (I know only a very tiny part of raw LaTeX. So I use LyX when I want to play with that.)
[03:51] <mhz> (just in case it's KISS enough for me)
[03:51] <kjcole> mhz, but I don't generally need LaTeX at all, so I haven't played with LyX very much.
[03:51] <mhz> yup, hence I said 'sorry'
[03:52] <kjcole> conglomerate is still a little buggy and slow, but it appears to be functional.
[03:52] <kjcole> mhz, slow on large documents at least.  It might behave better on smaller stuff.
[03:54] <kjcole> crimsun, well, if your schedule puts you in DC during dinner time, we could probably work something out. Or, since the 23rd is a Sunday, perhaps lunch.
[03:54] <crimsun> hmm, 22nd?
[03:55] <kjcole> mhz, I feel the same way about vi.  Apparently, vi is supposed to have a nice outline plugin, but since I don't know vi, I haven't worked with it either.
[03:55] <kjcole> crimsun, right.  My typo.
[03:55] <mhz> kjcole: I'd prefer Emacs over VI, but thx
[03:55] <crimsun> right, sounds good, will have more concrete plans in a bit.
[03:57] <kjcole> crimsun, ever had Ethiopean cuisine? ;-)
[03:57] <crimsun> nope :-)
[03:58] <mhz> kjcole: any url I can get one of your chapters from?
[03:58] <kjcole> crimsun, then, if you're a moderately adventurous eater, that's what we'll try to do (schedule permitting, of course).
[03:58] <crimsun> kjcole: sounds good
[03:59] <kjcole> mhz, do you have bzr?  if so, "bzr branch http://pchb1f.gallaudet.edu/~kjcole/Edubuntu/Cookbook" and then just wait a while.
[04:00] <kjcole> (It will create a subdirectory named Cookbook, and populate it with all of the current files.)
[04:00] <mhz> kjcole: okis, i am on it
[04:01] <kjcole> mhz, the behavior we saw recently when doing this between my machine and flint's machine in Vermont was that it would quickly reach revision 5, then look completely dead for about 5-7 minutes, and then continue.
[04:02] <kjcole> mhz, the bzr download would stop a second time, somewhere around revision 11, and then continue with the rest of the revisions very quickly.
[04:03] <mhz> okis
[04:03] <mhz> I wont desperate
[04:03] <mhz> [[04:04] <kjcole> mhz, currently at 27 revisions because we commit fairly often (and your branch becomes 28).
[04:19] <kjcole> mhz, I gotta run.  Adios!
[04:19] <tinsleyc> Jerome, are you here?
[04:21] <tinsleyc> How's mhz tonight?
[04:23] <tinsleyc> Mauricio???
[04:24] <tinsleyc> Must be late...
[04:24] <tinsleyc> Another time.
[04:40] <mhz> re
[11:38] <pc22> hey writer
[11:38] <pc22> hey Seveas
[11:38] <pc22> hey alkl
[11:38] <jsgotangco> mmm??
[11:43] <writer> hey pc22
[11:50] <pc22> hey ogra
[11:50] <pc22> seen yagisan?
[01:08] <bgrah> hello together , i am in a school and i am changing my woody-servers into sarge , later i will use LTSP  - is there a version in edubuntu that works ? -- please give any feedback
[01:20] <apokryphos> bgrah: yes, http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=ltsp&searchon=names&subword=1&version=breezy&release=all
[01:28] <highvoltage> hi
[01:28] <highvoltage> edubuntu meeting today?
[01:43] <lucasvo> highvoltage: I can't see anything in the calendar
[01:43] <highvoltage> probably not then
[01:46] <writer> IRC channel #ubuntu-meeting Agenda: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki  11.01. 16-17UTC
[01:47] <spacey_ki> highvoltage, because of the holidays IIRC
[01:49] <highvoltage> ok
[02:23] <tinsleyc> Good Morning Jerome
[02:25] <tinsleyc> What is the status of the Edubuntu cookbook and can I help in any way.  I noticed that in checking the wiki, it does not even seem to be on the list.
[02:26] <tinsleyc> And the tuxlab cookbook isn't that relevant since it was based on the RH implementation of LTSP.
[02:31] <highvoltage> hi tinsleyc
[02:31] <highvoltage> tinsleyc: the tuXlab cookbook is being re-written with Edubuntu 6.04 in mind
[02:32] <highvoltage> tinsleyc: i'm currently re-writing a big part of the technical and software parts, I will put up copies on the wiki ~ at the end of this month
[02:39] <tinsleyc> let me know if there is anything I can do to help.
[02:45] <spacey_ki> where is that bootchart suppose to end up again?
[02:45] <spacey_ki>  /var/log/bootchart?
[02:48] <spacey_ki> GRMBl
[02:51] <highvoltage> tinsleyc: ok, thanks. are you on edubuntu-devel mailint list?
[02:51] <highvoltage> tinsleyc: i'll post about it there when the time comes
[02:54] <tinsleyc> I am going to have to double check on if I am on the devel list.  I was at one time and then the other day, I did recieve a couple of messages from the list so I am not sure.
[02:56] <ogra> :)
[02:56] <highvoltage> /topic :)
[02:57] <highvoltage> ogra: happy new year to you
[02:57] <Petaris> Hello highvoltage
[02:57] <ogra> same to you :)
[02:57] <highvoltage> hi Petaris
[02:57] <Petaris> Hi ogra
[02:57] <ogra> hey Petaris
[02:57] <highvoltage> ogra: i installed edubuntu flight 2, and i have a bit of the same problem as Edward has (posted to the list)
[02:58] <highvoltage> something i can type at cd boot time to use local files only?
[02:59] <ogra> just go back, that will drop you to a menu
[02:59] <ogra> there select the next task
[02:59] <highvoltage> yes, that's what i did.
[03:00] <highvoltage> but it doesn't build the multi-seat system, because it insists on getting it on-line
[03:00] <ogra> i currently have no working email , could you answer edward ?
[03:00] <ogra> oh, forget about multiseat
[03:00] <ogra> sip this one
[03:00] <ogra> *skip
[03:00] <highvoltage> you need connectivity for multiseat?
[03:00] <ogra> no idea
[03:01] <highvoltage> is multiseat ltsp or the 441 kind of thing?
[03:01] <ogra> i'm not aware that anybody ever used or tested multiseat since warty
[03:01] <ogra> its similar to 441
[03:01] <highvoltage> aaah, ok. sorry, i confused it with ltsp.
[03:01] <ogra> but as i said, nobody has the HW to test it, and it will surely get dropped with multiseat inclusion in X
[03:01] <highvoltage> i will reply to edwards post then.
[03:02] <highvoltage> i didn't know it's going to be included in X. that's great.
[03:02] <highvoltage> you have no idea how much it sux not having an internet connection :(
[03:03] <ogra> i have
[03:03] <ogra> mine dropps as well from time to time ..
[03:06] <highvoltage> need to go now, bbl.
[03:06] <Petaris> later highvoltage
[04:07] <spacey_ki> ogra, :)
[04:07] <spacey_ki> got dapper thin client chroot now
[04:08] <spacey_ki> but ldm doesn't want to log in
[04:08] <spacey_ki> i don't think its dapper related, because before the upgrade the same problem occured
[04:08] <spacey_ki> debug1: read_passphrase: can't open /dev/tty: No such device or address^M
[04:08] <spacey_ki> debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password^M
[04:08] <spacey_ki> debug1: No more authentication methods to try.^M
[04:08] <spacey_ki> does that make sense?
[04:09] <mhz> spacey_ki: on the server, try 'ltsp-update-sshkeys'
[04:09] <mhz> and try again from the client
[04:09] <spacey_ki> mhz, already did that
[04:09] <mhz> oh
[04:09] <spacey_ki> before it stopped at host authentication failed or something
[04:09] <mhz> how many times?
[04:10] <spacey_ki> uh once?
[04:10] <mhz> I tried three times until it worked (but under breezy)
[04:11] <spacey_ki> i'll check again tomorrow
[04:11] <spacey_ki> first some other work to do
[04:11] <spacey_ki> have to leave here now
[04:11] <spacey_ki> head home
[04:11] <mhz> bytes
[04:11] <spacey_ki> ogra, if you read it, feel free to reply, i'm still logged in as herman_
[04:11] <spacey_ki> bbl
[04:15] <ogra> herman_, hmm, works here
[04:26] <jingl3> Hi folks, I've installed Edubuntu but having problems logging in to a thin client. Can anyone help?
[04:27] <ogra> jingl3, you followed the install notes from the channel topic ?
[04:27] <jingl3> User can login on server, but thin client login simply returns another login
[04:29] <ogra> did you change the ip or name of the system post install ?
[04:29] <jingl3> Yes, I've been through all the steps. Needed to set the tftpd-hpa to work in daemon mode.
[04:30] <ogra> huh ?
[04:30] <ogra> why ?
[04:30] <ogra> its configured by default in edubuntu
[04:30] <ogra> the installer does it, else you installation failed
[04:31] <jingl3> dunno why tftpd-hpa needed to be changed. daemon mode was set to NO.
[04:34] <ogra> thats right
[04:34] <ogra> it should, since it gets started by inetd on demand
[04:35] <jingl3> I needed to change /etc/defaults/tftpd-hpa to  RUN_DAEMON="yes"
[04:35] <jingl3>  to get the thin client to boot.
[04:37] <ogra> nope
[04:37] <ogra> you should have looked why inetd isnt working
[04:37] <ogra> is sshd running ?
[04:38] <ogra> thats the core part of edubuntu ltsp
[04:38] <jingl3> sshd is running
[04:39] <jingl3> xinetd is running
[04:40] <ogra> xinetd ????
[04:40] <ogra> what did you do with your system ?
[04:40] <ogra> there is no xinetd installed in edubuntu ...
[04:40] <jingl3> OK - I reset /etc/default/tftpd-hpa so RUN_DAEMON="no"
[04:42] <ogra> how doesxinetd get on your system ?
[04:43] <jingl3> Apart from the Edubuntu install, there weren't any other steps.
[04:45] <ogra> we never ever used xinetd anywhere in edubuntu or ubuntu ... are you sure its *x*inetd ?
[04:46] <jingl3> Here's what inetd says about itself:
[04:46] <jingl3> #/etc/init.d/inetd has been diverted by the xinetd package.
[04:46] <jingl3> # The inetd service is provided by xinetd, which means inetd
[04:46] <jingl3> # doesn't need to be run.
[04:47] <ogra> strange
[04:48] <ogra> that shouldnt be there
[04:48] <jingl3> maybe it came with another package - let's see...
[04:48] <ogra> netkit-inetd is the default inetd and the one that a dependency of ltsp-server
[04:54] <jingl3> inetd got shafted on my machine on 8 December. Can't find another package installed on same date.
[04:57] <jingl3> netkit-inetd is still installed, I'll try reinstalling it.
[04:57] <ogra> remove xinetd
[04:58] <jingl3> OK
[04:59] <jingl3> inetd started
[04:59] <jingl3> now trying to reboot thin client...
[04:59] <ogra> fine
[04:59] <jingl3> Rebooting...
[05:01] <jingl3> Failure initialising /etc/network/ifstate... but login appears
[05:01] <ogra> the errors are normal... breezy didnt see the cosmetical cleanup
[05:01] <jingl3> Tried logging in, but the login screen just reappears again
[05:01] <ogra> ok
[05:02] <ogra> run sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys on the server
[05:02] <ogra> then tr again
[05:03] <jingl3> Ah! That looks better!
[05:03] <ogra> :)
[05:03] <jingl3> Anything I can add to the wiki about this?
[05:04] <ogra> normally the right inetd should be installed, the step with ltsp-update-sshkeys should be there already ...
[05:04] <ogra> if ot, add it :)
[05:04] <ogra> *not
[05:04] <jingl3> OK. Many thanks for your help!
[05:04] <ogra> :)
[05:05] <ogra> youre welcome
[05:05] <jingl3> Moving data over from Fedora LTSP now...
[05:08] <pc22> ogra, youve seen yagisan?
[05:09] <ogra> not recently, no
[05:31] <mhz> ogra_ibook: I read -motu discussion... I understand your points and support them. It's about the way we do things not what we do.
[05:33] <ogra_ibook> yup
[05:35] <mhz> and I have been notifed Lucas has added this topic to next CC meeting, good.
[05:35] <ogra_ibook> nope
[05:35] <ogra_ibook> thats not for the CC meeting
[05:35] <ogra_ibook> that should be in a motu meeting
[05:36] <zakame> which is when? :)
[05:36] <ogra_ibook> make a date, ask the guys
[05:36] <mhz> ogra_ibook: ooooo
[05:36] <ogra_ibook> announce it to the ML
[05:37] <mhz> is Motu meeting before CC ?
[05:37] <mhz> if so, it would be better then
[05:38] <mhz> and in case no concensus , then move it to CC
[05:38] <ogra_ibook> i dont see it on the agenda
[05:38] <ogra_ibook> and this topic has really nothing to do with the CC
[05:39] <ogra_ibook> just make a motu meeting, add it to the agenda, discuss it amd make a vote ... its no magic ...
[05:41] <mhz> hehehehe
[05:41] <mhz> indeed
[05:41] <mhz> well, for what it is worth, I vote for your 'way' :D
[05:41] <ogra_ibook> lets see what comes out ...
[05:42] <ogra_ibook> i will go with the majority ... even if it dfecides against me ...
[05:42] <mhz> hnha
[05:42] <mhz> we'll give lots of loving to Mr.Edubuntu!
[05:42] <ogra_ibook> heh
[05:43] <ogra_ibook> i'm not doing much in MOTU anymore, so i'm not the guy to make decisions for them, i can just tell my opinion
[05:47] <Lord_Athur> hi
[06:00] <raghu> Hello
[06:00] <Lord_Athur> hi raghu
[06:01] <raghu> Hi Lord_Athur
[07:37] <Lord_Athur> hi
[08:50] <Burgwork> ogra, what are the current plans for mediawiki?
[08:51] <ogra> none, its in universe
[08:52] <ogra> there is no chance to provide security fixes for it for 5 years
[08:52] <Lord_Athur> hi
[08:53] <Burgwork> ogra, upstream is pretty good about security stuff
[08:53] <ogra> but they only do new releases
[08:53] <ogra> there is no backporting of the fixes to older versions
[08:54] <ogra> which would mean pitti or me had to do it
[08:55] <Burgwork> really? they just released 1.4.12, which is a security release of the current breezy version
[08:55] <ogra> oh, thats new
[08:55] <Burgwork> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download'
[08:55] <juliux> ogra, at the begining of the next week i will have my three thinclients
[08:56] <Burgwork> scroll down the legacy releases
[08:56] <mhz> It just works
[08:56] <ogra> theydidnt do that when i packaged it for breezy
[08:56] <juliux> ogra, so i can start hardcore testing
[08:56] <ogra> yay
[08:56] <ogra> hopefully the installer will be in shape then ;)
[08:56] <juliux> i only need to buy a vga and ps2 switch
[08:56] <juliux> because i only have on tft
[10:10] <Lord_Athur> hi
[11:23] <Lord_Athur> hi


[05:19] <pitti> Good morning
[05:29] <Unit193> Heya.
[05:44] <Unit193> Miiight be good to merge pbuilder, due to things like 788580? (Linked earlier.)
[06:15] <dholbach> good morning
[06:42] <TheMuso> bdrung: Had bug 1464913 filed against portaudio19... I thought things were supposed to be installable alongside either jack version. Am I missing something here?
[08:05] <pitti> wgrant: OOI, do you know how far we are with ppc64el scalingstack support?
[08:07] <wgrant> pitti: https://dogfood.paddev.net/builders/dogfood-bos01-p8-1/+history
[08:08] <wgrant> pitti: I pushed a few hundred builds through it over the weekend, and identified a few issues that we need to fix this week.
[08:08] <pitti> wgrant: oh, that sounds promising!
[08:08] <wgrant> I don't have a reliable ETA, but it should be just a few weeks at this point.
[08:08] <pitti> slangasek: ^ FYI (as we talked about it last week)
[08:09] <pitti> wgrant: I'm resurrecting my wolfe nodes for the umpteenth time now, which keeps reminding me about cloudifying those :)
[08:09] <wgrant> pitti: We're pretty close :)
[08:10] <pitti> wgrant: do you know about the status of armhf?
[08:10] <wgrant> pitti: Only two blocking issues have been identified with ppc64el. Then it's a matter of cleaning it up, getting the various fixes landed to charms and the distro, and redeploying it in a productiony way.
[08:10] <wgrant> pitti: arm64 hardware is in place, but the networking is still being sorted out.
[08:11] <pitti> wgrant: sounds like I should ask for scalingstack credentials nowish, to set it up for x86 testing and gain some experience with it
[08:11] <wgrant> The status of our OpenStack on arm64 is not well known, but it should work once we have a working ovmf.
[08:11] <zyga> pitti: hey, would you have the time to meet with me later today
[08:11] <zyga> pitti: I've sent you an invite
[08:11] <wgrant> I don't expect work to start on arm64 scalingstack until ppc64el is just about done.
[08:11] <wgrant> Best to focus on one thing at a time.
[08:11] <pitti> zyga: you mean later than the "in 50 mins" that my calendar says?
[08:12] <zyga> pitti: yes
[08:12] <zyga> pitti: no, not later :)
[08:12] <zyga> pitti: later when the schedule says
[08:12] <pitti> wgrant: right; there's lots for me to do to get x86 running, I'd like to start with that; I assume that's working reasonably well by now?
[08:12] <zyga> pitti: though we can move if you want :)
[08:12] <pitti> zyga: 11:00 works fine for me
[08:12] <zyga> pitti: thanks, I'll see you then
[08:12] <pitti> still sorting out the over-weekend backlog
[08:16] <wgrant> pitti: Yep, though there's probably not enough capacity right now to move the full load over. We'll be substantially boosting the capacity in the coming weeks as we move the x86 bare metal builders into scalingstack.
[08:17] <pitti> wgrant: ack, but for setting up the system and experimenting with it, getting two or three instances would suffice; is that possible?
[08:18] <pitti> wgrant: the controlling nodes and swift would be in prodstack anyway
[08:18] <wgrant> pitti: Yup, no problem with that at all. An RT can get you creds.
[08:20] <cjwatson> wgrant: Looks like you did a bunch of copies from trusty to vivid or something, which explains some of the weirder failures there?
[08:21] <wgrant> pitti: You'll need the ability to run against multiple scalingstack regions (we have two regions in London that do amd64 for both i386 and amd64, and soon to be a region in Boston that does separate ppc64el, powerpc and arm64/armhf instances.
[08:21] <wgrant> cjwatson: Which?
[08:21] <cjwatson> wgrant: partman-base, say, and possibly perl
[08:21] <wgrant> Ohhh
[08:21] <wgrant> I thought some of the failures were weird.
[08:22] <wgrant> --from-suite doesn't imply --to-suite in populate-archive, I guess.
[08:22] <cjwatson> I guess not ...
[08:23] <wgrant> Anyway, the main purpose of this test was to test the OpenStack setup.
[08:23] <wgrant> And it failed, so the test worked :P
[08:23] <cjwatson> What were the failures?
[08:24] <wgrant> vbuilder-manage fell over totally about 26 hours ago, not in any of the usual ways. I suspect a less intermittent form of the cloud flakiness we were seeing during early testing on Friday, but wasn't able to debug further today.
[08:24] <wgrant> And lots of builds have hung during build-dep installation, which may just be the virtio issue.
[08:24] <wgrant> But instance resets were at least reliable until the entire thing fell over.
[08:57] <xnox> pitti: anything i can do to debug bug 1465196 ?
[08:57] <xnox> Bug #1465196
[08:57] <xnox> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1465196
[08:57] <xnox> NetworkManager-wait-online job deleted to break ordering cycle
[08:58] <pitti> xnox: hm, is that the entire journal for this? there should be some more output showing the actual cycle
[08:58] <pitti> xnox: can you please attach the whole journalctl -b?
[08:59] <zyga-phone> Pitti: rebooting
[09:00] <pitti> zyga-phone: in HO now, but no hurry
[09:00] <xnox> pitti: like this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/11718410/
[09:00] <pitti> xnox: ex-actly
[09:00] <pitti> xnox: so, something in open-iscsi; odd, I thought I fixed these already
[09:00] <xnox> pitti: open-iscsi is the culprit?!
[09:01] <pitti> xnox: ah, maybe not open-scsi + NM
[09:01] <xnox> pitti: i have it installed.... but i'm not using it.
[09:01] <pitti> # Required-Start:    $network $remote_fs
[09:01] <pitti> xnox: right, same old -- rcS init scripts being overly demanding on $remote_fs
[09:01]  * xnox will just purge it.
[09:01] <pitti> that can't work with NM
[09:02] <pitti> xnox: thanks, will adjust the bug
[09:02] <xnox> pitti: do we keep init scripts installed, even when there is native systemd job for them? shouldn't we purge them?
[09:02] <xnox> .... i guess we should switch phone first, and release an lts.
[09:03] <pitti> xnox: meeting now, brb
[09:06] <pitti> xnox: yes, we keep the init scripts installed, but if there's a unit it gets ignored
[11:32] <pete-woods> MacSlow: hi, could you point me to the test plan you normally use when making changes to unity-notifications?
[11:33] <pete-woods> I
[11:33] <pete-woods> I've got a silo together, but can't find the test plan
[11:33] <MacSlow> pete-woods, I of course run the unit-test that come with it...
[11:34] <pete-woods> MacSlow: well obviously, but is there a CI train test plan for *integration* testing
[11:34] <pete-woods> ?
[11:34] <pete-woods> if not, I guess that's fine, I'll just try out a bunch of things that use notifications, e.g. indicator-network
[11:35] <MacSlow> pete-woods, and then there is the notification-related autopilot-tests and a bunch of manual tests I run locally or on the device (lp:unity-notifictaions/examples)
[11:35] <pete-woods> autopilot tests sound good
[11:35] <pete-woods> do you know where they live? I can't see them in the notifications source tree
[11:37] <MacSlow> pete-woods, the notifcation ap-tests live in the lp:unity8/tests/autopilot/unity8/shell/tests
[11:38] <pete-woods> MacSlow: cool, thanks!
[11:39] <MacSlow> pete-woods, you can restrict the ap-testruns to the notifications ones by doing "autopilot3 run unity8.shell.tests.test_notifications"
[11:39] <MacSlow> pete-woods, otherwise it takes ages to go through the whole suite
[11:40] <pete-woods> MacSlow: hmm, for some reason unity8-autopilot won't install on my phone
[12:16] <bdrung> TheMuso: good question.
[13:31] <jamespage> cjwatson, do you have a nice way of translating tags from bzr to git during a migration?  Seems I need to translate invalid characters in some way but can't figure out quite how
[13:36] <cjwatson> jamespage: In all the serious migrations I've done, I've used reposurgeon, which gives you a domain-specific language for applying whatever arbitrary transformations you like.
[13:36] <arges> hallyn: hey, bug 1464175 is in need of sponsorship. are you batching up libvirt updates? otherwise I can push this one
[13:44] <hallyn> arges: there is also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libvirt/+bug/1455608
[13:44] <arges> hallyn: yup, do you want me to merge and sponsor those?
[13:45] <arges> hallyn: or whatever would be more helpful for you
[13:46] <hallyn> arges: i think t and u still have pkgs awaiting verification, but ye splease i fyo umerge those that'd be great
[13:46] <arges> hallyn: ok will do
[13:46] <hallyn> thanks
[14:11] <dgadomski> hey pitti, could you please shed some light on how gvfs works? From what I see I suspect there is a single gvfsd-fuse filesystem mounted under /run/user/<uid>/gvfs and it can map all sorts of other "filesystems" (e.g. samba shares) as directories under that fuse, is that right?
[14:14] <seb128> dgadomski, it would help if you had specific questions, or stated what you try to achieve/figure out. On #ubuntu-desktop you asked a mtab question, which I replied to saying that pitti might know, but now you changed to ask about gvfs fuse handling, which is a different topic (pitti might still know but I'm less sure for that one)
[14:16] <dgadomski> seb128: alright, the reason for those question is to determine if it is possible to enable ACL on samba shares mounted via nautilus (i.e. gvfs)
[14:16] <LocutusOfBorg1> hi, can somebody from MIR team enlight me about bug 1461517 and bug 1464853?
[14:17] <dgadomski> seb128: for "normal" shares (e.g. mount.cifs) this could be done by passing the cifsacl option to mount
[14:17] <seb128> dgadomski, is your issue with real gvfs access through gio, or with the compat fuse mounnts?
[14:25] <dgadomski> seb128: that's what I'm trying to understand :) I don't entirely get how this works, but the scenario looks like this: 1. user opens a samba share with nautilus, 2. Opens a file there with e.g. gedit, which mechanism is used in that case? gio or the compat fuse mounts?
[14:26] <seb128> dgadomski, gedit = gio
[14:26] <seb128> but it you use e.g libreoffice it might be the fuse mount
[14:28] <dgadomski> seb128: so the actual problem is that the samba share the user want's to use has some ACL rules applied and I would like those acl rules to be respected when the share is mounted via nautlius just like it is if the user mounts it via mount.cifs -o cifsacl
[14:28] <seb128> dgadomski, is that bug impacting both gio and compat mounts?
[14:29] <dgadomski> seb128: yes, both mechanims seem to be acl-unaware
[14:30] <seb128> dgadomski, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=623161 ?
[14:31] <seb128> hum, that bug is about windows though
[14:32] <seb128> dgadomski, is that specific to smb or with any protocole? like ssh
[14:33]  * smb is innocent
[14:33] <dgadomski> seb128: I did not try anything else beside smb, give me a sec
[14:37] <pitti> dgadomski: that's right; that's mostly a legacy program interface, i. e. CLI tools etc. which don't use GIO themselves
[14:37] <pitti> dgadomski: so you can e. g. attach an MTP mobile phone or a PtP camera and have a real fs for cp/mv/exiftran, you name it
[14:38] <slangasek> wgrant: "once we have a working ovmf" - ok, where are we at with /that/? :)  I saw a build failure of edk2 over the weekend, so somebody gave it back...
[14:38] <pitti> dgadomski: I don't know how well fuse works with ACLs
[14:38] <pitti> dgadomski: gedit, like all GNOME apps, uses GIO, not the fuse file system
[14:39] <dgadomski> thanks pitti, and is gio capable of working with ACLs?
[14:39] <pitti> dgadomski: I don't know
[14:39] <pitti> dgadomski: server-side ACLs should be totally transparent to the client
[14:39] <pitti> dgadomski: and client-side ACLs should not matter, as this is all per-user, not system-wide
[14:40] <pitti> dgadomski: so I don't quite understand what ACLs have to do with this
[14:45] <dgadomski> pitti: what if a user want's to modify ACLs on the server smb share?
[14:46] <pitti> dgadomski: that's the thing I'm not sure about -- i. e. if that's mapped through GIO
[14:46] <pitti> or if you need smbclient or a similarly specialized tool for that
[14:47] <dgadomski> pitti: one way to do it is to mount the share with mount.cifs -o cifsacl and use getfacl/setfacl or a GUI tool (like eiciel)
[14:50] <dgadomski> pitti: but those tools are unusable with GIO / gvfs fuse, so the question is: is there a possibility to enable it?
[14:51] <pitti> dgadomski: anything is possible, it's free software :) so it mostly depends on finding someone who is interested in adding this support
[14:52] <dgadomski> pitti: can you give me a hint which layer would be appropriate to implement such thing?
[14:53] <pitti> dgadomski: I support GIO for adding the general set/get ACL API, and gvfs' smb-browse module for implementing it for samba/CIFS
[14:55] <dgadomski> pitti: sounds like quite amount of work, thanks for the info
[15:10] <LocutusOfBorg1> mterry, are you sure about fix-double-parsing.patch?
[15:11] <mterry> LocutusOfBorg1, not 100% but the code that it changes is still there in debian
[15:12] <mterry> LocutusOfBorg1, and that patch is relatively recent -- it wasn't in our packaging back when Debian grabbed all our changes
[15:12] <LocutusOfBorg1> oh I see
[15:12] <LocutusOfBorg1> yes, right
[15:12] <LocutusOfBorg1> I checked, but I made a mistake
[15:14] <LocutusOfBorg1> so mterry while you are merging it, do you think for a MIR having the symbols file is a must=
[15:14] <LocutusOfBorg1> ?
[15:14] <LocutusOfBorg1> I need that package into main, because cmake 3.2.2 is waiting for it
[15:14] <mterry> LocutusOfBorg1, not a must, just a strong preference.  But I see the comments about upstream checking ABI
[15:14] <mterry> LocutusOfBorg1, that's what brought me to your sync bug
[15:15] <mterry> LocutusOfBorg1, I'll try to sort this today
[15:15] <LocutusOfBorg1> ok, so if we can forward the patch to Debian we can just sync on the next run
[15:16] <LocutusOfBorg1> (I would like to avoid maintaining a delta there)
[15:16] <LocutusOfBorg1> specially because symbols have been dropped here http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/libjsoncpp.git/commit/?id=21f33b218735398db17c50e09b46d7fefa39bec8
[15:16] <mterry> LocutusOfBorg1, agreed, deltas suck
[15:21] <LocutusOfBorg1> I sent a mail with the patch to Peter
[15:27] <mterry> LocutusOfBorg1, oh, OK.  I would have used submittodebian when I'm done merging, but that works too.  Was it a debian bug or just an email to him directly?
[15:28] <LocutusOfBorg1> direct mail, but feel free to open a bug
[15:28] <dobey> LocutusOfBorg1: is that my patch?
[15:28] <LocutusOfBorg1> I wasn't aware of the submittodebian tool, how does it work=
[15:28] <LocutusOfBorg1> yes dobey
[15:29] <Mirv> Qt 5.4.2 is now in wily, but will be blocked from migration due to existing KF5 autopkgtests failures
[15:30] <dobey> LocutusOfBorg1: if it still applies it is still relevant, yes. i intended to push it upstream, but i my have been really busy, had difficulty finding where exactly to submit it upstream, and totally forgotten about it
[15:30] <LocutusOfBorg1> dobey, https://github.com/open-source-parsers/jsoncpp
[15:30] <LocutusOfBorg1> they moved to github :)
[15:31] <dobey> LocutusOfBorg1: ah ok, thanks
[15:32] <mterry> LocutusOfBorg1, oh submittodebian is just a little helper for when you're patching ubuntu (or doing a merge with patches) and will automatically open a bug and submit a patch for you (with chances to explain/edit the patch)
[15:32] <dobey> LocutusOfBorg1: i'll see about getting that upstream then, but we do need to keep that patch around
[15:32] <LocutusOfBorg1> so I can't use it :(
[15:32] <LocutusOfBorg1> yes dobey, I hope Peter will merge it in Debian, and then we can sync it (and forget)
[15:33] <dobey> ok
[15:33] <dobey> well, now i need to get lunch. :)
[15:39] <LocutusOfBorg1> have fun!
[15:42] <LocutusOfBorg1> so mterry please use the submittodebian tool then, I would prefer a bug instead :)
[15:42] <LocutusOfBorg1> and thanks for the hard work
[15:43] <mterry> LocutusOfBorg1, my pleasure.  I like converging on no deltas  :)
[15:43] <mterry> LocutusOfBorg1, I've got other work I'm in the middle of, but will try to finish this stuff out / review the MIR today
[15:44] <LocutusOfBorg1> thanks! I started working in Debian to avoid deltas, and now I'm mostly a DD
[15:44] <LocutusOfBorg1> I hope to become an ubuntu developer soonafter DAM processes my nm application
[16:10] <mterry> LocutusOfBorg1, oh nice  :)
[16:48] <arges> hallyn: was trying to verify bug 1425619, but looks like the patch to qemu/trusty got dropped.
[16:48] <arges> hallyn: so we'll need to re-apply the patches for qemu before verifying that one before verifying libvirt etc...
[17:11] <arges> hallyn: i can re-apply that patch and push an update
[17:15] <hallyn> arges: great, thanks
[17:15] <hallyn> wonder how i dropped that
[17:26] <arges> hallyn: i think the security update overrode it
[17:27] <arges> anyway test building
[17:29] <hallyn> ah, ok
[18:24] <Mirv> FYI I'm running Plasma 5 just as good after the Qt 5.4.2 update as before. it seems the same KF5 5.10.0 autopkgtests fail as have failed since the 5.10.0 was uploaded, but now the transition is starting to block non-Kubuntu packages too. if there's someone available from Kubuntu during my sleep hours please discuss how to migrate to release pocket.
[18:26] <Mirv> the list of autopkgtests is at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#qtbase-opensource-src - maybe the failing kf5 5.10.0 packages could be overridden
[18:28] <Mirv> (running Plasma 5 == running wily-proposed versions of Qt 5, KF5 etc)
[21:29] <arges> hallyn: /quit
[21:29] <arges> whoops
[22:24] <ScottK> Any idea why http://www.ubuntu.com/legal claims the Canonical contributor agreement is needed " before you begin contributing to Ubuntu"?
[22:24] <ScottK> Seems wrong.
[22:26] <lifeless> define contribution I guess?
[22:26] <lifeless> submitting code to Canonical repositories vs running an ubuntu user group vs patching debian packages to work better on ubuntu...
[22:26] <ScottK> For anything that's Ubuntu (the Linux distribution) such a thing isn't needed.
[22:27] <ScottK> I'd buy if it said something like ... some aspects of ...
[22:27] <lifeless> sure
[22:27] <ScottK> As it is, it's plain wrong.
[22:28] <lifeless> just like some packages require CLAs and patches to them ned to be done directly upstream (or be debt forever)
[22:28] <ScottK> Some upstreams require CLAs.
[22:28] <ScottK> Ubuntu the distro doesn't.
[22:28] <ScottK> Unfortunately, the term Ubuntu is so overloaded it's almost meaningless.
[22:45] <infinity> ScottK: Yeah, the wording there is clearly too broad.  Needs to be vague with something like "before contributing to certain Canonical projects" and a link to the list.
[22:45] <infinity> slangasek: ^-- Can you sort out who to escalate that to?
[22:46] <slangasek> infinity: can you file a bug against https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website-content ?
[22:46] <infinity> slangasek: Sure.
[22:50] <infinity> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website-content/+bug/1465430
[22:50] <infinity> slangasek: ^
[22:50] <infinity> Err, really, why is that private by default?
[22:51] <infinity> There.
[22:51] <infinity> ScottK: ^ does that look like an appropriate appraisal of the situation to you?
[22:51] <ScottK> Thanks.
[22:51]  * ScottK looks
[22:51] <sarnold> everything on the website is private by default :/ it's annoying to try to file bugs on behalf of others that way :(
[22:52] <ScottK> infinity: Perfect.
[23:23] <wgrant> slangasek: RT is still a total mess due to the PS4 debacle, so I'm reluctant to throw a bare metal sbuild upgrade ticket at it. If it becomes a blocker, we can build it in a PPA and copy it in.
[23:25] <sladen> sarnold: +1
[23:34] <infinity> wgrant: It's a 1-line hack to make the old sbuild build edk2, we could just get someone to cowboy one of the nonvirts. :P
[23:34] <infinity> wgrant: But I also assume we'll want it backported to the cloud archive.
[23:39] <slangasek> wgrant: ok
[23:45] <infinity> slangasek: Hrm, I see pesign in the queue synced from Debian.  Should we be looking to replace sbsigntool?
[23:46] <slangasek> infinity: AFAIK the only benefit of pesign over sbsigntool is nss, which is a questionable benefit
[23:47] <infinity> slangasek: I would assume the other benefit is active maintenance.
[23:47] <slangasek> infinity: I'm happy to revisit that question when someone points to an actual feature we're missing out on :)
[23:47] <infinity> slangasek: Oh, and no dep on gnu-efi, which means it builds on more arches.  Like ARM/ARM64.
[23:48] <infinity> slangasek: arm64 support might be the killer feature.


[02:13] <Choups> hi guys
[02:13] <Choups> i need help installing this: https://github.com/AppStateESS/phpwebsite
[02:14] <Choups> im getting this: http://pastebin.com/MtsBZ48u
[02:14] <Choups> any clue?
[02:15] <sarnold> Choups: does the file /var/www/html/phpwebsite-master/vendor/autoload.php act7ually exist?
[02:15] <Choups> the directory vendor doesnt exist..
[02:15] <Choups> but it comes like this from the download page
[02:15] <Choups> i just unzip the thing
[02:18] <Choups> any ideia?
[02:20] <sarnold> it's hard to find anything with details there :/ no clue, sorry
[02:22] <Choups> sarnold, how it be too much to ask you to try download the thing and get it to work on your machine
[02:22] <Choups> or you can even use one of my vps if you prefer
[02:23] <Choups> i just really need to install this
[02:24] <sarnold> Choups: heh, it'd be a waste of time; i know next to nothing of php. I just look for failures in logs, then look in docs to see if tehre's anything mentioned that looks like the log entries.  What are some of the recommended way of doing an offline installation of Ubuntu?
[14:38] <jge> it's a private network with no internet, the network where the host sits has a site to stie VPN to my desktop (running ubuntu as well)
[14:39] <jge> I was thinking of setting up a network share and somehow put an offline repo there and grab it across the VPN?
[14:40] <jge> but that could be slower, maybe copy a complete online repo to a USB drive and virtual mount it through idrac?
[14:49] <Guest64063> hi, ich hatte heute morgen vormittag schon mal im ubuntu-de channel geschrieben, aber nach diversen Ratschlägen wurde mir gesagt ich soll hier mal nach meinem Problem nachfragen
[14:49] <Guest64063> muss ich hier auf englisch oder kann ich acuh auf deutsch tippen?
[15:08] <nacc> englisch bitte, Guest64063  :)
[16:30] <zul> coreycb/jamespage: last minute gnocchi update
[16:37] <huggybear404> some progress today , after testing 4 identical boards failing and another asus strix that didnt cooperate. I ordered an asus prime and it seems to work, now I can install server 16.10 without errors. I installed xubuntu desktop , but I can not find any disk manager ? I loved the layout of old xubuntu 9.1 or ubuntu 10-12 series, is it possible to get similar layout on 16.10 or customize
[16:37] <huggybear404> it to show the items I use a lot like disk manager and root terminal ?
[17:19] <huggybear404> Is remote desktop and disk utility removed ??? Why can I not find these in server 16.10 ?
[17:20] <nacc> huggybear404: do you know the names of the actual programs or packages?
[17:21] <huggybear404> https://www.howtoforge.com/configure-remote-access-to-your-ubuntu-desktop  this says its called remote desktop
[17:21] <huggybear404> when I search it says not found
[17:24] <nacc> lol, '7.10' ?
[17:24] <huggybear404> hm seems theres a desktop sharing, why was it removed
[17:24] <huggybear404> yes I miss the old versions where thing I need are included
[17:24] <nacc> that appears to just be a VNC server
[17:25] <huggybear404> like samba, disk utils, and remote desktop
[17:25] <huggybear404> now I just get office and lots of stuff I never used
[17:34] <compdoc> does anyone have vnc or x2go working with Unity?
[17:36] <nacc> huggybear404: you're also asking in the server channel about a bunch of desktop stuff, it seems
[17:41] <huggybear404> well I use remote desktop on my server, that way I can work on it no matter where in the world I am
[17:42] <huggybear404> can I suspend a task and resume after reboot ?
[17:43] <nacc> huggybear404: strange to even run a desktop on a server, IMO :)
[17:44] <huggybear404> is it ?
[17:44] <nacc> huggybear404: no, not trivially
[17:44] <nacc> huggybear404: well, i mean at that point, it's not really about the server side, you're running a full-fledged desktop, afaict
[17:44] <nacc> *the ubuntu server side
[17:44] <huggybear404> I often use web browser to admin f.ex usenet downloads
[17:45]  * nacc doesn't understand why having a browser on your local desktop matters to your server
[17:45] <huggybear404> browser is on the server as an admin tool
[17:45] <nacc> huggybear404: clearly your configure is more involved than you have said, but regardless, things get renamed periodically, sure
[17:45] <nacc> huggybear404: so you rdesktop to use a browser?
[17:46] <huggybear404> yes
[17:46] <huggybear404> since the browser controls the server
[17:46] <nacc> you must mean controls some application
[17:49] <huggybear404> yes it controls what the app does on the server
[17:50] <huggybear404> so I can logoff and enjoy my holiday while the server keeps on working
[17:50] <nacc> huggybear404: and you can't access that remotely?
[17:50] <huggybear404> I can if vnc works
[17:51] <nacc> no, i mean you can't just browse in your desktop to 'http://ip_of_server/application/url' ?
[17:51] <nacc> huggybear404: i have no idea why you would use vnc to do this, i guess if you didn't have a public ip ?
[17:51] <nacc> huggybear404: but setting up vnc is pretty easy, regardless (afaik)
[17:54] <ybaumy> how do i change the cpu overcommitment values in nova.conf .. it says that its maintained by juju
[17:55] <ybaumy> wrong channel
[18:15] <sarnold> ybaumy: if it's actually managed by juju then there's probably a juju set ... thing that can do it. check the nova charm docs?