[02:31] <sagaci> got a package I bought from from the canonical store today :>
[06:52] <hot_wheelz> hi guys
[06:52] <hot_wheelz> how are we all?


[14:59] <jawn-smith> o/
[15:00] <enr0n> o/
[15:00] <ginggs> o/
[15:01] <alexghiti> o/
[15:02] <jawn-smith> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
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[15:02] <jawn-smith> #topic Lightning Round
[15:02] <jawn-smith> The status is here: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundation-team-updates-thursday-16-june-2022/28832/3
[15:03] <jawn-smith> Let's take our usual time to go over and ask questions
[15:07] <jawn-smith> enr0n: that email thread has gotten really long, is there a plan for the oomd issue?
[15:07]  * waveform is currently testing the tweak that slyon requested in the associated ticket
[15:07] <enr0n> It's been my priority all week. I have patches for oomd that I will try to upstream
[15:07] <jawn-smith> neat
[15:08] <enr0n> But I do not know about the SRU-ability of them.
[15:08] <enr0n> And yes, slyon asked people to try my other suggestion (option 3 from first mail I think), so hopefully that helps too
[15:09] <jawn-smith> okay, any other questions?
[15:10] <jawn-smith> #topic Release incoming bugs
[15:10] <jawn-smith> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-kk-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:11] <jawn-smith> bug 1972159
[15:11] <bdmurray> Well that surely needs a card
[15:11] <jawn-smith> I'm going to take a guess that there's actually already a card for this work
[15:11] <jawn-smith> enr0n: is that correct?
[15:12] <bdmurray> Regarding the SRU-ability of systemd I got the impresseion v_orlon is keen to see it fixed
[15:12] <enr0n> jawn-smith: you have too much faith in me
[15:12] <enr0n> We should card that and assign it to me
[15:12] <jawn-smith> alright, mclemenceau do you mind carding that?
[15:13] <mclemenceau> yes
[15:13] <jawn-smith> Thanks!
[15:13] <jawn-smith> bug 1977564
[15:13] <jawn-smith> I think we discussed this last week?
[15:13]  * jawn-smith reads logs
[15:13] <bdmurray> that's with desktop
[15:14] <jawn-smith> right, thanks
[15:14] <bdmurray> the casper one laready has a card
[15:14] <jawn-smith> the rls-kk tag should be removed then right?
[15:14] <bdmurray> I just did that
[15:14] <bdmurray> But yes
[15:14] <jawn-smith> thanks!
[15:14] <jawn-smith> bug 1978487
[15:15] <bdmurray> That's a follow up crash to a card we fixed a wee bit ago
[15:15] <bdmurray> s/fixed/completed/
[15:15] <bdmurray> So should be sorted
[15:15] <jawn-smith> who would be the appropriate person to work this?
[15:15] <bdmurray> Somebody who's nick starts with bd
[15:16] <jawn-smith> mclemenceau: can we card this one as well?
[15:16] <jawn-smith> and assign it to somebody named bd ?
[15:16] <mclemenceau> ahah that works
[15:17] <bdmurray> I'm not sure when I would get to it but the desktop team was keen to see the right JournalErrors being captured
[15:17] <jawn-smith> Sounds like it wouldn't sit in backlog so let's proceed with the carding
[15:18] <jawn-smith> #link https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:18] <jawn-smith> The first two have already been discussed
[15:18] <jawn-smith> bug 1978125
[15:18] <bdmurray> I don't think this is snapd specific but it isn't entirely clear to me
[15:19] <bdmurray> j_uliank mentioned it in his status report as "phased updates related regression" which sounds generic
[15:19] <jawn-smith> perhaps we should leave this in the rls-jj queue until he's back?
[15:19] <bdmurray> retitling the bug would have been helpful
[15:20] <bdmurray> I'd say leave it
[15:20] <jawn-smith> will do
[15:20] <jawn-smith> bug 1978079
[15:20] <enr0n> I tagged this one after following the upstream discussion. Another person has since then assigned themselves to this
[15:20] <jawn-smith> Is an upstream bugfix
[15:22] <jawn-smith> so shall we give them an opportunity to fix it?
[15:22] <jawn-smith> That seems like the plan. enr0n can you remove the tags?
[15:25] <jawn-smith> or would you rather leave them to make sure this doesn't get forgotten?
[15:27] <jawn-smith> Looks like we've decided to card it
[15:28] <jawn-smith> rls-ii is empty
[15:28] <jawn-smith> and rls-ff is just the systemd EFI pstore bug we just discussed
[15:28] <jawn-smith> #topic Team proposed-migration report
[15:28] <jawn-smith> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
[15:28] <jawn-smith> dash was with doko if I recall correctly
[15:28] <jawn-smith> any progress?
[15:28] <bdmurray> We should stop looking at rls-ii given its immenient EOL
[15:29] <jawn-smith> ^ sounds great
[15:29] <schopin> shouldn't we wait for the actual EOL before doing so?
[15:30] <jawn-smith> doko will continue working that
[15:30] <jawn-smith> mutt is pending some MIRs
[15:30] <jawn-smith> I got some feedback that the one MIR has some TODO tasks, which I will do this week
[15:32] <jawn-smith> usb-creator was with alexghiti
[15:33] <alexghiti> Yes, the 2 MIRs are under review, Steve sponsored one of the 2 packages
[15:33] <jawn-smith> awesome, moving on
[15:33] <jawn-smith> aptdaemon was with bdrung, but it looks like a different regression
[15:34] <jawn-smith> I'll assume bdrung is still working this and will read this backlog
[15:35] <jawn-smith> ubuntu-meta is still with the desktop team
[15:35] <jawn-smith> everything else appears to be new for this week
[15:36] <jawn-smith> glib2.0 vs libgtkada
[15:36] <jawn-smith> any volunteers?
[15:36] <bdmurray> schopin: Okay, you are correct we should keep looking at the impish list in case there is a critical bug report that comes up
[15:37] <jawn-smith> ogayot: glib2.0 vs libgtkada?
[15:37] <ogayot> jawn-smith: ack
[15:37] <jawn-smith> thanks!
[15:37] <jawn-smith> waveform: python3-stdlib-extensions?
[15:37] <waveform> ack
[15:37] <jawn-smith> and lastly is vim
[15:38] <jawn-smith> alright I'll take vim
[15:38] <jawn-smith> #topic AOB
[15:39] <jawn-smith> Monday is a US holiday
[15:39] <jawn-smith> Embedded world is next week
[15:40] <jawn-smith> anything else?
[15:40] <jawn-smith>  #endmeeting
[15:40] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 15:40:36 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2022/ubuntu-meeting.2022-06-16-15.02.moin.txt


[11:02] <apw> ericm, i've asked on #ubuntu-x about the caps light thing
[11:40] <matti> I have a question: -pae should enable 32bit machine to be able to access whole of 4GB by introducing another level of page tables and utilizing PAE.
[11:40] <matti> But I cannot see a difference between -generic and -generic-pae on Karmic.
[11:52] <apw> matti, it actually should allow the processor to access more than 4GB of physical address space, depending how your bios maps you memory you may or may not get all of your 4GB.  if you can paste the e820 output (from dmesg) from the PAE kernel we can tell where it is
[11:53] <matti> e820?
[11:55] <matti> apw: Hold on.
[11:56] <apw> [    0.000000] BIOS-provided physical RAM map:
[11:56] <apw> [    0.000000]  BIOS-e820:<PHONE_NUMBER>000000 -<PHONE_NUMBER>09c400 (usable)
[11:56] <apw> [...]
[11:57] <apw> that bit of the dmesg output following boot ... shows us wherre the BIOS thinks your memory is
[11:57] <matti> Yes, sorry.
[11:57] <matti> I had to put my glasses back :)
[11:57] <matti> http://pastebin.com/i3LEEepW
[11:58] <apw> matti, ok so your ram is all below 4GB, so PAE will not help you
[11:58] <apw> with the current memory layout
[11:58] <matti> :(
[11:58] <apw> now sometimes its changable (i am told) in the bios, but i've never seen it personally
[11:59] <apw> in my 4GB ram machine i have this
[11:59] <matti> BIOS is very limited and rather simple.
[11:59] <apw> [    0.000000]  modified:<PHONE_NUMBER>000000 -<PHONE_NUMBER>000000 (usable)
[11:59] <apw> the last GB of my ram is from 4-5GB physical, therefore pae would help me
[11:59] <apw> you are getting less thant 4GB cause your ram is being shadowed by the PCI space, AGP etc etc
[12:00] <apw> what machine is this?
[12:00] <apw> same laptops particually are limited in maximum memory, even if vendors sell you more than they can really utilise
[12:01] <matti> HP Desktop
[12:02] <matti> Give a second, I'll give you the exact model.
[12:02] <matti> HP Compaq dc7700p
[12:02] <matti> From dmidecode
[12:04] <apw> matti, did you add the ram yourself, do you know how many slots the mobo has?
[12:04] <matti> apw: Thank you for your help. I am rather disappointed in this machine ;(
[12:04] <matti> apw: Yes, I did.
[12:04] <matti> apw: 4 slots, each 1 GB.
[12:05] <apw> how much memory does the os report?
[12:05]  * apw suspects 3.5GB
[12:06] <matti> Yes.
[12:06] <matti> 3482884 kB to be precise.
[12:06] <matti> I reckon I have -512 MB for the PCI/AGP space.
[12:07] <matti> Which means that the chipset is rather limited.
[12:07] <apw> crucial tends to concur with that expectation
[12:09] <matti> apw: Hm?
[12:30] <apw> ram seller who tend to tell you how much ram to expect
[12:30] <matti> apw: I know :)
[13:46] <tgardner> apw, you'll be happy to know that I can crater Karmic with stress (the program), but not Lucid. 4 proc, 4 cores, 64 threads.
[13:46] <apw> i am very happy to hear that!
[13:51] <apw> smb, i've just resynced lucid with karmic hopefully for the last time, keep that in mind if you apply anything to lucid ... sync tag is updated
[13:51] <apw> s/lucid/karmic
[13:52] <smb> apw, Ok, I don't think that from now on there should be anything going into Karmic that is not in Lucid, but I keep it in mind
[13:53] <apw> yeah i am pretty sure we have almost no skew now, i did find three quirks marked as upstream which are not so in lucid, so i pulled them in
[13:53] <smb> Just watch out for those keyboard quirks which are supposed to be solved differently
[13:54] <apw> those definatly not needed?  we have the userspace support for those?  i read them as being not necessary if you have the userspace but ...
[13:55] <smb> Ok, in theory probably we should, but I cannot say for sure. Maybe asking on #ubuntu-devel to know for sure?
[14:24]  * matti hugs apw
[14:24] <matti> apw: Thanks for your help :)
[14:24] <apw> np
[14:29] <akgraner> sconklin, you around?
[14:29] <sconklin> akgraner: yeah, I'm here
[15:23] <manjo> smb, does you lenovo S12 take a long time to boot and shutdown ?
[15:24] <smb> manjo, no. but it could happen that it needed a keypress to trigger it to go on. (like shift)
[15:24] <manjo> smb, yes or mouse movements ?
[15:24] <smb> manjo, Strangely it seemed to be solved in that case by mem=nopentium
[15:24] <manjo> smb, I was trying to track down why this weekend ... but failed
[15:24] <manjo> thought you might have some insight
[15:25] <smb> manjo, Normally it something which is described in debugging voodoo (solved by acpi_skip_timer_override)
[15:25] <smb> manjo, But it this case the mem= option seems to solve quite a lot of strangenesses
[15:26] <manjo> smb, you mean its already doc in some wiki ?
[15:26] <smb> manjo, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/DebuggingVoodoo
[15:28] <manjo> smb, thanks did not see that
[15:28] <apw> smb, where might i find that wacom change?  i don't see it in patchworks
[15:29] <smb> manjo, np, but please try mem=nopentium on your S12 to see it also helps you in that case
[15:29] <manjo> yep doing it now
[15:29] <smb> apw, Hm, might have been a pull req?
[15:29] <apw> smb, doesn't look like it either
[15:29] <apw> cnd, was it you who had that?
[15:30] <smb> apw, yep
[15:30] <apw> i am running seriously short of uploads so i want them to count
[15:30] <smb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/516777
[15:30] <apw> cnd, did you ever send that wacome thing out for review? i know smb tested it
[15:30] <ubot3> Malone bug 516777 in linux "HP Touchsmart tm2 requires newer wacom driver" [Low,In progress]
[15:30] <cnd> apw, a decision hadn't been made yet as to what we should do with it
[15:31] <cnd> I was going to get to it sometime today
[15:31] <cnd> should I send the patches out for review to kernel-team?
[15:31] <cnd> apw, oh yeah, I'm remembering now
[15:31] <cnd> I sent an email (you should have been cc'd) to the wacom driver maintainer
[15:31] <cnd> he's interested in helping to push it to -stable
[15:31] <apw> if we want it in lucid before it gets hard to get things in, ie before smb has a hand ... then it needs to be very very soon
[15:32] <cnd> apw, should we put it in as a pre-stable?
[15:32] <apw> smb you seemed to be keen
[15:32] <apw> cnd i was assuming it was a pre-stable from your conv with them, but ... not 100% sure
[15:32] <cnd> conversation with who? the wacom driver maintainer?
[15:32] <smb> apw, Well for the same reasoning. I think, yes we were thinking of how to progress, the problem is that its hard to predict wether the change as is gets into stable
[15:33] <smb> apw, So pre-stable might be wrong
[15:33] <apw> smb, yep ... ok so perhaps i'll punt that one to you :)
[15:33] <smb> apw, On the other hand our (limited) testing seemed to show no regression
[15:34] <smb> apw, So it might be a goody to have at that point of time (at least some users of this new hw will be thankful)
[15:34] <apw> yep, it seemed like we were already getting people hitting issues with new wacome stuff
[15:35] <smb> apw, So I would tend to include it (maybe still pre-stable as thats our intend)
[15:35] <apw> i probabally am doing just two uploads of distro before freeze.  one today with everything but drm33 and then if thats a go, the other will be just that
[15:35] <smb> If we get people screaming for regressions with some wacom stuff we still could revert before release...
[15:36] <apw> so ... i need it sooner rather than later
[15:36] <cnd> apw, there's another issue I want to talk to you about, re intel graphics
[15:36] <apw> smb, yep as thats a 'fix'
[15:36] <cnd> but I'll come back to it
[15:36] <apw> cnd i wouldn't wait, whats up
[15:36] <smb> cnd, So forward the wacom patches today to kernel
[15:36] <cnd> first, what are we doing with the wacom stuff? you want me to submit patches as pre-stable to k-t?
[15:36] <smb> (our kernel list)
[15:36] <cnd> smb, k
[15:36] <smb> apw, agree?
[15:37] <smb> Its still your tree. :)
[15:37] <cnd> apw, bug 488328
[15:37] <ubot3> Malone bug 488328 in linux "screen brightness won't come back when I open the lid" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/488328
[15:37] <apw> cnd get them to kernel-team now yes, i'll put them in as U: S: for now
[15:37] <cnd> it makes suspend/resume (or even just backlight turning off on screen closure, impossible to resume from on some intel hw
[15:37] <cnd> there's a patch that seems to fix things
[15:38] <apw> whats the patch
[15:38] <cnd> but it seems to have gotten lost upstream when one of the other intel gfx maintainers questioned it
[15:38] <cnd> apw: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/intel-gfx/2010-February/005902.html
[15:38] <cnd> you can see the reservation noted in the reply email
[15:39] <cnd> I'm not sure if the reply email is referring to issues that should be fixed in the future (making this moot for them, but still necessary for us)
[15:39] <cnd> or if we shouldn't apply it at all
[15:40] <cnd> I'm thinking the former, but wanted to know what you think should be done about it
[15:40] <apw> it sounds like a 'better' way to fix it, in that we are fixing the wrong bug
[15:40] <apw> but, if its broke and the fix fixes it ... then it may be much better than nothing
[15:41] <apw> cnd, do you have affected h/w ?
[15:41] <apw> wondering if the drm33 kernel also does this?
[15:41] <cnd> apw, I may in the form of this montevina box rtg sent me, but it seems to have other issues in that it hangs when I flip the lid switch
[15:41] <cnd> so even though I may have the hw, I can't seem to effectively test it
[15:41] <apw> heh great
[15:42] <cnd> apw, I think someone testing against one of the .33-rc kernels, and it wasn't fixed
[15:43] <cnd> apw, upstream bug report shows someone testing 2.6.33-rc6
[15:43] <cnd> and it was still broken
[15:44] <apw> ok get that one out on the list too so we can see how horrific it is
[15:44] <apw> and make a decision there ... thanks
[15:45] <cnd> apw, will do, thanks
[16:42] <cnd> smb, I'm looking into sending the wacom patches upstream to -stable, but the commits don't apply perfectly cleanly to the 2.6.32.y tree
[16:42] <cnd> is it still reasonable to say, please pick these two changes?
[16:42] <cnd> or should I point to my own kernel tree hosted at kernel.ubuntu.com with a branch for the changes?
[16:44] <smb> cnd, In this case generate patches that apply to current 2.6.32.y and send the patches as whole
[16:44] <cnd> smb, ok
[16:45] <tgardner> cnd, be sure to reference the upstream commit IDs from which your patch is generated
[16:45] <cnd> tgardner: ok
[16:57] <apw> yeah we use the upstream ids when stripping the commits we won't need in a rebase for M
[17:28] <manjo> have you guys seen this : [    0.562289] ACPI Error (psparse-0537): Method parse/execution failed [\_SB_.PCI0._OSC] (Node f7016a68), AE_ALREADY_EXISTS
[17:29] <manjo> apw, ^^ smb,
[17:29] <manjo> [    0.562269] ACPI Error (dsfield-0143): [CAPB] Namespace lookup failure, AE_ALREADY_EXISTS
[17:29] <smb> manjo, Yes
[17:30] <smb> manjo, I think there is an acpi option to make execution serialized, maybe try that
[17:36] <manjo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/linux/+bug/507148
[17:36] <ubot3> Malone bug 507148 in linux "[lucid] desktop runs out of video memory on ATI Radeon Mobility 7500" [High,Confirmed]
[17:37] <smb> manjo, Would "acpi_serialize" help with you error messages?
[17:50] <manjo> smb, will check thst
[18:07] <manjo> apw, I need to focus on what I am doing .. so dropping off...
[18:07] <apw> manjo, i hope i said that you could all do that!
[19:20] <manjo> another pulseaudio problem, this time on lenovo s12 bug #530234
[19:20] <ubot3> Malone bug 530234 in pulseaudio "[LUCID] unable to record sound though external mic Lenovo SL12" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/530234
[19:20] <manjo> smb, If you are on karmic can you confirm that this works/fails on karmic ?
[19:20] <manjo> and update the bug ?
[19:21] <smb> manjo, I can't tell much about the boot speed
[19:21] <manjo> smb, regarding the bug above
[19:22] <manjo> its about pulse audio I am asking to you see if this is a regression from karmic
[19:27] <smb> manjo, On Karmic it works partially (I have to switch to microphone 1 or 2 manually to make internal or external microphone work) It does not seem to switch automatically
[19:27] <smb> Will add comments
[19:27] <manjo> :) thanks
[19:56] <manjo> apw, I need RTL8192SE driver to get wireless working on EEEPC, currently the driver is in realtek website and not even in staging, I can add that to ubuntu-delta ?
[19:57] <apw> you sure? that sounds familiar number?
[19:57] <manjo> yep I looked
[19:57] <manjo> rtl8192e is available
[19:57] <manjo> which is pci
[19:57] <apw> how bad is the delta.  and is it in wireless-testing?
[19:57] <manjo> let me look at wireless-testing
[19:58]  * apw reminds manjo just how close kernel freeze is
[19:58] <manjo> apw, yes I know
[19:59] <apw> i likely will be closing my distro tree by friday ... so ... hurry
[19:59] <manjo> apw, I will build and test the module
[19:59] <manjo> today
[20:00] <manjo> apw, they should have thought about these netbooks at the start of the cycle
[20:00] <manjo> apw, I will do my best then its your call
[20:00] <apw> manjo, indeed
[20:02] <manjo> apw, do you mind if I open a bug and do that delta that way ?
[20:02] <manjo> apw, that way I have a number I can give krafty regarding enablement etc
[20:02] <apw> manjo, you can use bugs for it if it helps you
[20:03] <apw> we just reserve the right not to use bugs in developement where it doesn't help us
[20:03] <manjo> apw, ok
[20:04] <manjo> apw, wireless-testing does not carry that module
[20:04] <manjo> apw, there is e, su,
[20:04] <manjo> one is pci the other is usb
[20:06] <apw> manjo, deep joy
[20:06] <manjo> apw, will start work on it now ... should have test results for you by this evening / request-pull
[20:07] <apw> i guess it will miss this upload
[20:45] <apw> manjo, this fix for bug #507148 ... how did you choose this fix for it?
[20:45] <ubot3> Malone bug 507148 in linux "[lucid] desktop runs out of video memory on ATI Radeon Mobility 7500" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/507148
[20:45] <manjo> apw, look at the upstream but on this one
[20:45] <apw> manjo, as that fix fixes an oops
[20:46] <apw> and the error is not an oops
[20:46] <manjo> oh that last cherry pick I posted ?
[20:48] <apw> manjo, yes that one, it seems to be an Oops avoider and to my eye not likely to fix the drm error he has
[20:49] <manjo> apw, you are correct...
[20:50] <manjo> apw, sorry dude, I thought I had the fix
[20:55] <apw> manjo, happens ... no worries
[23:16] <manjo> apw, is there a way to build just a subdir in kernel ?
[23:26] <jk-> RAOF: welcome :)
[23:26] <RAOF> jk-: Thank you!
[23:26] <jk-> RAOF: you're in .au? whereabouts?
[23:27] <RAOF> Sydney.
[23:27] <RAOF> Where the glorious non-hot weather continues!
[23:27] <jk-> :D
[23:27] <jk-> plenty of colleagues around then!
[23:27] <RAOF> Yeah.
[23:28] <RAOF> I'll be moving to Hobart soonish, though.  Fewer collegues there, but it's a nicer place.  Also, it's a place where buying a house doesn't require your firstborn.
[23:28] <RAOF> Maybe I can persuade jml back there, too :)
[23:34]  * jk- is moving to Perth next week
[23:46] <jjohansen> jk-: wow, I had missed that.  Hope the move goes well for you
[23:46] <jk-> jjohansen: thanks! should be OK, I think we have most things organised
[23:47] <jjohansen> cool, I would offer to come help but there is a little ticket issue standing in the way :)
[23:47] <jk-> :D


[00:32] <ScottK> Riddell: So plasma-widget-menubar only works on Qt stuff now?
[01:23] <ScottK> I just removed menubar.
[01:25] <ScottK> I think "here's a U/I widget, but only use it if you know that the app is written in Qt/KDE" is not user friendly.
[03:18] <ScottK> Riddell: owncloud done.  precise had 5.0.4, not 5.0.7, but I accepted it on the theory that it was progress.  Please let me know if that was wrong and either upload the newer one or I'll remove it.
[07:07] <jussi> Hrm, I have 2 minor feature improvements for system settings. anyone want to listen to me or shall I make a bug report that will get ignored for all time? :D (yes yes, Ill make the bug report, but I feel like talking to someone  :D)
[07:15] <Noskcaj> jussi, speak anyone
[07:15] <Noskcaj> *anyway
[07:16] <jussi> :D
[07:53] <valorie> jussi, what improvements?
[08:13] <agateau> xnox: ping
[08:25] <jussi> valorie: make the icon/theme example picture clickable(in system settiings applications appearance, get more themes), so one can quickly see more detail without clicking through tot he web page. second, filter out those themes which do not have local hosted files, as to get rid of that html file download. (its very frustrating not being able to install stuff that is listed there)
[08:31] <Quintasan> \o
[08:33] <jussi> heya Quintasan
[08:34] <Quintasan> jussi:  sup?
[08:35] <jussi> not much, at work, trying to get thigns done
[08:35] <jussi> the normal
[08:42] <xnox> agateau: pong =)  but note i might be leaving soon.
[08:45] <agateau> xnox: ok :) quick question: I am working on writing a Kubuntu version of ubi-wireless. Is it possible to test the whole thing in a VM?
[08:45] <xnox> agateau: not sure. the ubi-wireless for gtk, was tested/launched stand-alone, and simply talk to NM =) there is a script to just test the widget.
[08:46] <agateau> xnox: The only way i can think of right now is installing on a real machine, where I can toggle wireless on and off
[08:46] <xnox> agateau: i think VirtualBox allows creating a "wifi" device, not so sure about kvm.
[08:48] <agateau> xnox: oh ok, I need to look into this then (I use virtualbox)
[08:50] <agateau> xnox: i also ran the widget standalone, but I need to test the whole thing at some point :)
[08:51] <xnox> yeah. i am thinking to buy second laptop to do testing =)
[08:53] <debfx> I don't think you can create virtual wifi devices in virtualbox, except passing through real usb wifi adapters
[08:54] <xnox> I can't wait for qt5.1 to be in the archive and start looking into porting ubiquity to qml / desktop components =)
[08:56] <apachelogger> yofel: did you ever backport cmake for neon?
[08:57] <yofel> kf5? no. I did backport it for neon4 precise once though
[08:59] <apachelogger> yes, but how did you handle that?
[08:59] <apachelogger> did you simply backport as-is? or did you fiddle to install it into /opt?
[09:10] <yofel> apachelogger: that was a straight backport of the next available version (we did the same for the backports too)
[09:17] <apachelogger> yofel: so for newer cmake in raring for kf5 a straight backport would be the way to go I reckon
[10:45] <Riddell> "Harald Sitter (apachelogger) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu Members (kubuntu-members) team" yay apachelogger still loves us!
[10:45] <Riddell> "Philip Muškovac (yofel) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu Developers (kubuntu-dev) team" yay yofel still loves us!
[12:11] <jussi> Riddell: Im thinking to have some shirts made - Polo shirts cost 19,5 € per shirt with the Kubuntu logo. (if we order 50). That would make ~1000€. If we sell them at 25€+PP that makes us 300€.  I have the shop all ready to go , the shop costs are 0.90€ per transaction plus 3% if people pay by credit card. I have a feeling we can find cheaper shirts though, still doing more investigation into that. Over all though, does it sound like a
[12:11] <jussi> good Idea?
[12:12] <jussi> If we think its a good idea, I would like to request money from the kubuntu fund as seed capital, to buy the inital shirts. that money will then be paid back or used to buy more shirts or mugs or whatever.
[12:13] <jussi> Only other thing I need to look into is VAT and how that would work.
[12:18] <jussi> Riddell: alternately, a slightly lower quality and only tshirt would come out a lot cheaper - approximately 300€ for 50 shirts.
[12:19] <jussi> (Kubuntu logo only on the front left chest, white)
[12:19] <jussi> Thats a current promotion -50%
[12:22] <agateau> Riddell: got some time to give https://code.launchpad.net/~agateau/ubiquity/kde-max-width/+merge/173744 and its sibling https://code.launchpad.net/~agateau/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/kde-max-width/+merge/173746 a bit of love?
[12:39] <Riddell> agateau: yeah I'll take a look shortly
[12:39] <agateau> Riddell: thanks
[12:40] <Riddell> jussi: sounds like an awesomeidea
[12:41] <jussi> Riddell: Ill do the investigation and sent results/my request to the kubuntu devel list - or is there some better way to move forward?
[12:41] <Riddell> jussi: if they're sold by the kubuntu council I wouldn't worry about VAT, it's nowhere near the limit you need to care about it in the UK
[12:41] <jussi> Riddell: ahh yes, forgotten about that - its about 8k here also, so we dont have to worry
[12:42] <Riddell> jussi: that's a good way to go
[12:42] <Riddell> jussi: main thing that comes to mind is I don't have a good way of transfering money to the eurozone
[12:42] <jussi> Riddell: ok. I expect to have something done in the next few days
[12:42] <jussi> Riddell: a simple bank transfer would work, no?
[12:43] <Riddell> jussi: it's not simple to transfer from Uk to eurozone in my experience
[12:43] <Riddell> jussi: but I have new online banking things here for the account, I'll try and get those working
[12:44] <jussi> Riddell: I beleive nowdays you only need the IBAN and maybe BIC codes.
[12:44] <jussi> WHich I can supply you with both.
[12:45] <jussi> ALternately, if you have some sort of credit card, we can arrange that you just buy the stuff and have it sent here
[12:45] <Riddell> when I tried to send money earlier this year from my personal account it would have cost £25 from one bank, another bank was £8 so I used them which needed many bits of information and it didn't work the money got returned less a random transaction cost
[12:45] <Riddell> yeah that would work
[12:46] <jussi> ok, Ill do the homework.
[12:46] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:47] <Riddell> hi BluesKaj able to do any alpha 2 testing? http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/299/builds
[12:48] <Riddell> jussi: looking at the order of polo shirts for uds last year "It will be £12.50 per poloshirt which will be a total of £250.00 for 20 of them."
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Riddell, haven't been doing any dailiies since I'm updating /upgrading 13.10 most every day
[12:49] <jussi> Riddell: yes, Ive just found this place that has them for 14.88€ - where did you order those?
[12:49] <Riddell> which seems a lot cheaper, but postage to finland on top of that
[12:49] <Riddell> jussi: sports warehouse/superlogo in edinburgh
[12:49] <jussi> Riddell: ok
[12:49] <Riddell> they have a website, probably not a great one
[12:49] <jussi> Riddell: thats a nice reference point.
[12:50] <jussi> I will keep looking until I find a better deal than that :D
[12:51] <jussi> Riddell: was that logo on front only?
[12:51] <jussi> and can you send me a decent resolution logo?
[12:51] <Riddell> jussi: yes, sewn onto left brest
[12:51] <Riddell> KubuntuArtwork on the wiki
[12:52] <jussi> ahh, thanks
[12:54] <jussi> Dark blue colour?
[13:04] <Riddell> jussi: I think that looks the most smart
[13:05] <Riddell> jussi: oh strikes me we could ask canonical for the money
[13:05] <Riddell> jussi: http://community.ubuntu.com/help-information/funding/
[13:06] <jussi> hrm, thats a good point :D
[13:10] <Riddell> lordievader: thanks for your alpha 2 candidate testing :)
[13:10] <Riddell> lordievader: what language did you install it in?
[13:10] <lordievader> Dutch, doing the same now on i386.
[13:10] <Riddell> ook
[13:10] <lordievader> And no problem ;)
[13:10] <tsdgeos> Riddell: .95 missing again in l10n land
[13:11] <Riddell> tsdgeos: yeah there's a few other bits that didn't get in before the freeze, I'll upload when I can but it's waiting on our alpha 2
[13:12] <tsdgeos> ah
[13:12] <tsdgeos> sad
[13:12] <tsdgeos> can you guys at least patch in kdepim-runtime so it's not destroying people's lifes?
[13:12] <Riddell> tsdgeos: I have
[13:12]  * Riddell tripple checks
[13:13] <Riddell> mm stuck in -proposed, I'll let that through the freeze
[13:19] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you see my question about the version of owncload for precise?
[13:21] <Riddell> ScottK: yes, not sure what happened there, but there's a new version coming so I think I'll update for that anyway when it comes out
[13:21] <ScottK> OK.
[13:21] <Riddell> yofel, shadeslayer: can I copy 4.10.95 from staging to beta for raring?
[13:21] <ScottK> Also, if you're letting stuff in, you might consider letting my kubuntu-meta and kubuntu-settings updates in.  I don't think a half working menubar makes sense.
[13:22] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^
[13:22] <Riddell> I'm wondering if we should respin for this kmail bug
[13:23] <yofel> Riddell: I think yes, I retried kdepim-runtime i386 this morning which should be done by now
[13:25] <Riddell> "Add desktop/kdedrc deactivating phonon device change windows entirely." apachelogger how come you're maching phonon in kubuntu when it's not upstream?
[13:26] <ScottK> Found under the headline "RIP Computer Science": http://i.imgur.com/Wx91Z.jpg
[13:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: because upstream I actually have to care about people not running PA
[13:27] <apachelogger> ScottK: lol
[13:27] <Riddell> ScottK: farewell, we knew thee well
[13:29] <Riddell> ScottK: doesn't the menubar stuff fall back to just using a normal menubar if it can't find the widget to use?
[13:29] <Riddell> ScottK: isn't it sensible for netbook users to have the menubar applet for kde apps at least?
[13:29] <ScottK> Only if you think it's reasonable for users to have to know the difference.
[13:30] <ScottK> It does work that way, but it seemed to me that was sufficiently inconsistent that it should just go away.  I may be wrong.
[13:31] <Riddell> agateau: got an opinion since it's your baby?
[13:34] <agateau> Riddell: since Kubuntu does not ship gtk apps by default, i would say it makes sense to keep it, but 1) I do not have strong opinion on this and 2) it's not my baby anymore, new maintainer is Cédric Bellegarde
[13:35] <Quintasan> hmmm
[13:35] <Quintasan> Riddell: There is no smooth transition from libkscreen0 to libkscreen1, is that intended?
[13:36] <Riddell> Quintasan: what's unsmooth about it?
[13:36] <Riddell> oh files in /usr/lib/kde4/plugins/kscreen ?
[13:36] <Riddell> it has Breaks: libkscreen0
[13:36] <Quintasan> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade will not upgrade to libkscreen1
[13:36] <Quintasan> It says kscreen update was held
[13:36] <Riddell> Quintasan: never use   apt-get upgrade
[13:36] <Riddell> always use  apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:36] <Quintasan> Same thing
[13:36] <Riddell> or even better use the version upgrade tool
[13:37] <yofel> isn't this an issue for the SRU too actually?
[13:38] <Quintasan> Pobieranie:2 http://pl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring-proposed/universe libkscreen1 amd64 1.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu13.04.1 [90,7 kB]
[13:38] <Quintasan> wat
[13:39] <Quintasan> There is something I don't understand, if new kscreen has depends on libkscreen1 which has breaks on libkscreen0 - why didn't dist-upgrade ask me if I want to remove libkscreen0?
[13:39] <Quintasan> I did try dist-upgrade
[13:40] <yofel> try with -o debug::pkgproblemresolver=1
[13:41] <Quintasan> I'll try that when I get new PSU for my PC
[13:41] <Quintasan> Will have to upgrade it anyways.
[13:48] <ScottK> Then also ask yourself why a bug fix release bumped the soname?
[14:03] <Riddell> 4.10.95 in https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta/+packages
[14:05] <Riddell> Quintasan, lordievader: if I respin for this kmail bug can you do more testing?
[14:06]  * Riddell uploads kde-l10n 4.10.95 to -proposed
[14:06] <Quintasan> ScottK: It's a bugfix release, lol
[14:06]  * Quintasan shuts up
[14:06] <Quintasan> Riddell: Sure
[14:11] <lordievader> Riddell: Today yes, tommorow no.
[14:16]  * yofel does .95 l10n for raring
[14:17] <genii> For some reason I read that at first as i915
[14:20] <Riddell> Quintasan, lordievader: rebuilding, check back in 30 mins
[14:57] <Riddell> new images | !testers
[14:57] <Riddell> hmm
[14:57] <Riddell> !testers | new images
[14:58] <Riddell> voila
[15:00] <Riddell> Quintasan: rsync is working but you have to add a . at the end
[16:02] <Riddell> sweet, plymouth works after install now :)
[16:36] <Riddell> hum, kwallet not requires setup on first use
[16:36] <Riddell> hum, kwallet now requires setup on first use
[16:45] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1204585] kwallet requires first use setup @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1204585 (by Jonathan Riddell)
[16:56] <Riddell> are there any decent GUIs for qemu?
[16:56] <Riddell> virtualbox likes to freeze my computer these days but qemu needs command line faff
[17:02] <Riddell> hmm but qemu doesn't seem to work anyway
[17:04] <lordievader> Virtualbox works fine here, its slow but it works ;)
[17:04] <Riddell> it works for me too, until it freezes my computer
[17:05] <Riddell> let me try again, I'm hoping to do i386 tests
[17:07] <Riddell> the power supply for my test netbook is lost in charles du gaulle :(
[17:39] <lordievader> Riddell: When testing the OEM did you see bug 1204524
[17:39] <lordievader> ?
[17:44] <Riddell> lordievader: hmm yes
[17:44] <Riddell> there is still an oem user here
[17:44] <Riddell> well spotted
[17:45] <lordievader> Riddell: Does it also automatically login as that oem user?
[17:45] <Riddell> lordievader: on first boot it successfully logs in as oem user and on second boot it successfully logs in as created user
[17:45] <Riddell> lordievader: I think I set "log in automatically" at oem setup, maybe you didn't?
[17:46] <lordievader> Hmm, here it logs on in both cases as the oem user, true I didn't, I set it to require password.
[17:46] <Riddell> that's probably the difference
[17:46] <lordievader> Interesting bug though, wasn't there during my 13.04 tests.
[17:47] <lordievader> Riddell: Could you add your information to the bug report?
[17:52]  * Riddell does so
[17:52] <lordievader> Great, thank you :D
[21:43] <Riddell> http://www.datamation.com/open-source/ubuntu-vs.-kubuntu.html  not read it, too scared it'll be troll material
[21:46] <genii> Riddell: It's very favourable actually.
[21:49] <genii> Although "It's not uncommon for those who do enjoy using Unity not to enjoy KDE as much. After all, KDE is a very powerful desktop and its options are a lot to take in for someone who has never experienced freedom and desktop control to this extent before."  near the end does sound somewhat like a jab at Unity
[21:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 1204585 regression back to raring behavior that is?
[22:29] <shadeslayer> ahaha
[22:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: from that link
[22:29] <shadeslayer> "Bear in mind, this doesn't even rely on PulseAudio, this is simply using KDE's Phonon Configuration Module. "
[22:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^^
[22:29] <shadeslayer> while refering to changing device priority
[22:30] <apachelogger> ?
[22:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://www.datamation.com/open-source/ubuntu-vs.-kubuntu.html
[22:30] <shadeslayer> 2nd page
[22:31] <apachelogger> well
[22:31] <apachelogger> that is using pulse when pulse is there :P
[22:31] <shadeslayer> and last I checked, we shipped pulse on Kubuntu :P
[22:35] <apachelogger> well, it's not like the author's statement is wrong
[22:35] <apachelogger> it would work regardless
[22:35] <apachelogger> until evil apachelogger removes that ability with phonon5 :O
[22:35] <shadeslayer> /o\


[00:00] <milos_> bsnider, yeah
[00:04] <milos_> bsnider, RAOF WAIT i think i know where I was mistaking: linux-headers-2.6.27-2-generic wasn't installed
[00:05] <milos_> bsnider, thnx i didn't saw generic :(
[00:05] <milos_> i am going for another try
[00:10] <ScheissDrogen> You are already using Intrepid Ibex here ?
[00:11] <bsnider> ScheissDrogen, i know what you're going to ask. no, it isn't very stable
[00:12] <ScheissDrogen> will this be the name ? Intrepid Ibex  as  Hardy Heron ?? gnarf...
[00:14] <milosF> bsnider, RAOF works, thx you
[00:15] <bsnider> really? didn't think it qwould
[00:15] <RAOF> ScheissDrogen: No, the name will be Ubuntu 8.10, of course :)
[00:15] <milosF> bsnider, my bad
[00:16] <ScheissDrogen> RAOF: hmm, gutsy gibbon, hardy heron... there will be a name I guess
[00:16] <bsnider> who cares what the name is?
[00:16] <RAOF> The code name is indeed Intrepid Ibex.
[00:16] <bsnider> i don't care if they call it <expletive> <expletive>
[00:16] <bsnider> as long as it work
[00:17] <dupondje> whats the bugnumber of not possible to goto all sites ?
[00:19] <bsnider> i didn't copyt hat
[00:19] <bsnider> what's the question?
[00:22] <dupondje> I saw passing a bug of people not be able to visit all webpages ?
[00:23] <bsnider> there's a bug where fireforks crashes on fl ash sites
[01:05] <EagleSn> hello i am thinking in installing Intrepid, is hre too many problems with it now?
[01:05] <rski> dunno chek known problems EagleSn
[01:06] <EagleSn> where?
[01:06] <rski> the release notes
[01:06] <carandraug> EagleSn: like I was telling you at #ubuntu I did had a load of problems but only with my graph card and wireless adaptor. I also had to use Hardy kernel to solve them and make a small edit of my xorg
[01:06] <rski> or bugzilla
[01:06] <EagleSn> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing isn't?
[01:07] <EagleSn> i wont have problems with my graphics card or wifi
[01:07] <EagleSn> i havent wifi
[01:07] <literal> EagleSn: I had these problems:
[01:07] <literal> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/264019
[01:07] <EagleSn> and my card is well supported by open drivers
[01:07] <literal> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/267627
[01:07] <literal> but there are workarounds
[01:08] <EagleSn> carandraug i wil ltry only updating GNOME to intrepid version lol
[01:09] <carandraug> EagleSn: won't that trigger a lot of dependencies?
[01:09] <EagleSn> may be
[01:09] <EagleSn> i have no fear to apt
[01:09] <EagleSn> i am using Debian and Ubuntu since four years
[01:10] <carandraug> EagleSn: you'll probably have to end up updating a lot of stuff to get it. Also, in the xorg.conf I had to add the emulate3buttons manually. Somehow it went away
[01:10] <EagleSn> ok its time to do experiments
[01:11] <carandraug> EagleSn: good luck
[01:13] <EagleSn> i want to see if that option in Intrepid fixes my issue
[01:13] <EagleSn> i really hate it
[01:15] <carandraug> EagleSn: I find it strange. Despite the appearance of that option, my panels didn't use to move around even though I didn't use them on the standard place
[01:17] <EagleSn> may be i am going to break Gnome
[01:29] <EagleSn> Gnome panels continue swapping in Intrepid version and being locked
[01:31] <carandraug> EagleSn: wow! That was fast. Updating to intrepid took me almost 3 hours. Well, I have no idea what to do. Have you googled it? Someone may have tumbled upon the same issue
[01:31] <EagleSn> i dude it
[01:32] <EagleSn> i only have updated Gnome
[01:32] <EagleSn> now i have your Gnome panel version
[01:32] <carandraug> EagleSn: hmm, ok
[01:34] <EagleSn> the strange is that it only happens when i reboot, not if i logout session or if i restart X server
[01:40] <carandraug> EagleSn: I've found a thread about it on ubuntu forums (though he says the panels switch even he logs out) but no one solved it
[01:41] <EagleSn> i am investigating over it
[01:41] <EagleSn> i think the first pane lto be loaded is located at the bottom
[01:41] <bsnider> what do you mean the panels are swapping?
[01:42] <EagleSn> i think the first panel to be loaded is located at the bottom
[01:42] <EagleSn> they swap possition
[01:42] <bsnider> i'd certainly start by blowing away all gconf settings
[01:43] <bsnider> that's where that stuff is located
[01:43] <bsnider> it will delete all your user customizations, but you'll start with a fresh gnome desktop
[01:43] <carandraug> EagleSn: isn't your problem with the panels moving away from where you placed them? That's their problem http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=799626&highlight=panel+gnome
[01:43] <bsnider> in other words, the .gconfd directory in your home folder
[01:44] <carandraug> EagleSn: or you search for the option with gconf-editor before going everything to default. I've been looking for it but don't knew where it is
[01:45] <EagleSn> the panels swap ther possition when both are at the bottom of the screen
[01:46] <bsnider> both shouldn't be at the bottom of the screen to start with
[01:47] <EagleSn> i want ot have them at the bottom of the screen
[01:48] <bsnider> ok
[01:48] <bsnider> good luck with that
[01:49] <dupondje> I got 2 network cards
[01:49] <dupondje> 1 with DHCP, 1 with Static ip
[01:49] <carandraug> bsnider: why do you say that? Is it that hard? I never tried myself as I only use one panel on the top but I thought it should be possible
[01:49] <dupondje> and i'm getting 'No host to route'
[01:49] <dupondje> when trying to wget etc :(
[01:50] <dupondje> apt-get works btw :s
[01:51] <carandraug> EagleSn: if placing two bars in the same side of the monitor is that hard, maybe you should ask in ##Gnome
[01:52] <EagleSn> i was asking in Gnome
[03:08] <ripps> Everytime I try to install Intepid Ibex through "update-manager -d" I get an error at step 2 while calculating packages. How do I get past this?
[03:13] <ripps> Apparently it crashes when marking ubuntu-desktop for upgrade.
[03:23] <DanaG> That's odd... things keep getting OOM-killed.
[03:24] <DanaG> (out-of-memory).
[03:24] <DanaG> But I'm nowhere near full memory+swap usage.
[03:25] <DanaG> I have 2.5 gigs of RAM and 1 gig of swap.
[03:25] <DanaG> Oh, and my gnome panel keeps hanging on load.
[03:26] <danbhfive> sounds like bugs
[03:26] <ripps> Everytime I try to install Intepid Ibex through "update-manager -d" I get an error at step 2 while calculating packages. How do I get past this? Apparently it can't mark ubuntu-desktop for upgrade.
[03:27] <danbhfive> ripps: you know that intrepid is alpha, right?
[03:28] <ripps> Yes, I want to help with finding bugs
[03:29] <danbhfive> ripps: well, you just found one, ubuntu-desktop is broken  : )    I dunno, you can always use the command line if you want to upgrade.  But keep in mind, you should be prepared to have to reinstall, and lose everything on that partition.  I'm wary of helping you till you confirm that you grok that
[03:31] <ripps> danhbfive: Yes, this isn't the first time I've test pre-release ubuntu software. Should I just wait a couple days to see if it's fixed? I guess I should file a bug report, huh?
[03:31] <danbhfive> ripps: I suggest that you upgrade with the alternate cd, which can be found here, and also, there is other good info:http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha5
[03:31] <danbhfive> ripps: how much harddisk space do you have?
[03:32] <IdleOne> are the repos down?
[03:32] <danbhfive> no
[03:33] <IdleOne> hmmm I am getting a error 400
[03:33] <ripps> danbhfive: 120gb
[03:33] <ripps> danbhfive: 90gb free
[03:33] <danbhfive> ripps: personally, I think you should make a separate partition, of like 10g, and do a clean install there
[03:33] <IdleOne> E: Method gave invalid 400 URI Failure message
[03:34] <danbhfive> IdleOne: whats the address of the repo?
[03:34] <ripps> Hmm... not a bad idea, but I'll have to find a blank cd to burn an iso on.
[03:34] <IdleOne> danbhfive: main server and also mit.edu is giving the same error
[03:35] <danbhfive> ripps: o yeah, I forget that Im using a rw cd.  It makes it easier, less wasteful
[03:35] <literal> IdleOne: are you having this problem? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/264019
[03:36] <IdleOne> I did not have any issues this morning
[03:36] <IdleOne> least nothing like that
[03:36] <danbhfive> IdleOne: my bad, Im running hardy atm.  I have tons! of trouble with networking and intrepid
[03:36] <literal> repos work fine here in intrepid
[03:38] <IdleOne> well this is very annoying
[03:38] <IdleOne> gui and cli give same errors. was hoping it was just a gui thing
[03:38] <danbhfive> have you tried firefox?
[03:39] <IdleOne> yes it is working
[03:40] <IdleOne> no issues with firefox
[03:50] <chronographer>  http://pastebin.com/m1c9b242b    i get this error compiling rt73 wireless drivers.. can anyone help?
[03:51] <IdleOne> can someone tell me what this error means E: Method gave invalid 400 URI Failure message?
[03:53] <IdleOne> glxinfo and libbonobo closed unexpectedly. when I try to report the bug I get a window that tells me they are not genuine ubuntu packages
[03:58] <bsnider> glxinfo cannot close because it is not a program and it is also not  a package. glxinfo is a command
[03:58] <chronographer> I have an issue where wireless drops out every now and then, I wonder if there is a way to automatically bring it back up after this happens?
[03:58] <bsnider> what kind if wifi card do you have?
[03:59] <chronographer> rt73
[03:59] <chronographer> using built in drivers with 2.6.27-1-generic
[03:59] <bsnider> is it running right now?
[03:59] <chronographer> above is errors from trying to compile newer drivers... Yeah its running
[03:59] <bsnider> can you hop into a terminal and run lsmod for me please?
[04:00] <bsnider> see if there's a module there called mac80211
[04:00] <chronographer> http://pastebin.com/m58d79a1b
[04:00] <bsnider> fyi i'm not trying to help you i'm trying to get information for my own purposes
[04:01] <chronographer> mac80211              217076  2 rt2x00usb,rt2x00lib
[04:01] <chronographer> cfg80211               32392  2 rt2x00lib,mac80211
[04:01] <chronographer> oh really? why?
[04:02] <bsnider> if you check iwconfig you'll see a device called "master0" or some such thing
[04:02] <chronographer> wlan0wmaster0  no wireless extensions.
[04:02] <chronographer> sorrym thats wmaster0
[04:03] <bsnider> the way mac80211 is supposed to work is it does the heavy lifting and the module it uses is just a softmac driver
[04:03] <bsnider> on my system this driver is called ath5k
[04:03] <bsnider> it casues hard lockups, aka kernel crashes
[04:03] <bsnider> it also loses the connection from time to time
[04:04] <chronographer> what does this mean? I don't get lock ups, just lost connection... it sucks as if I leave the machine on all night ... internet jsut stops
[04:04] <chronographer> so torrents stop torrenting
[04:05] <bsnider> the only difference is that on mine, when it tried to reconnect, the kernel goes kaput
[04:05] <danbhfive> i have 2 wifi cards, one is an atheros, and the other uses ndiswrapper.  Both have connection problems
[04:06] <bsnider> one is an atheros?
[04:06] <bsnider> what kind of atheros?
[04:06] <chronographer> damn... thats no good! I guess I should feel lucky then. do you think me writing a a script for a cron job or sometihng would be worthwhile ?
[04:06] <danbhfive> 522?
[04:06] <danbhfive> one sec
[04:06] <chronographer> to check network is up, set it up if its not...
[04:06] <danbhfive> dwa-552
[04:07] <bsnider> i suppose you could do that
[04:07] <danbhfive> its a belkin n adapter, pci connection
[04:07] <chronographer> sounds hard though, need to get sudo to allow to do stuff without paswrod and stuff...
[04:07] <bsnider> right so you'd be using the ath9k driver
[04:07] <danbhfive> mk
[04:07] <bsnider> it's not belkin though, it's d-link
[04:08] <danbhfive> oh yeah, that was a brain fart
[04:08] <bsnider> are you able to connect to a router using that card?
[04:09] <danbhfive> thats hard to answer
[04:09] <bsnider> chronographer, you could try uninstalling network-manager and replacing it wiht wicd
[04:09] <bsnider> that does reconnect automatically
[04:09] <danbhfive> I think it connects  (im on hardy atm btw, using madwifi, but its not even connected right now)
[04:10] <bsnider> that card doesn't work with madwifi
[04:11] <chronographer> really? I'm trying rutilt now, it brings me to another problem... I can't add items to my sessions startup. I get 'the command cannot be empty' whatever the command i put in there
[04:11] <bsnider> try it with wicd
[04:11] <chronographer> ok
[04:12] <chronographer> is it in repos?
[04:12] <bsnider> no
[04:12] <chronographer> =)
[04:13] <bsnider> it's in the cloud
[04:13] <danbhfive> bsnider: so this page is wrong?  http://ph.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?t=718244
[04:14] <bsnider> it's misleading
[04:14] <bsnider> that driver doesn't work
[04:14] <chronographer> will the hardy wicd package be ok?
[04:14] <bsnider> it isn't stable
[04:14] <bsnider> yes it will
[04:14] <bsnider> i tried ti
[04:14] <bsnider> it works fine
[04:15] <chronographer> on intrepid?
[04:15] <bsnider> yes
[04:15] <chronographer> great
[04:15] <danbhfive> well, i think you are correct, since it doesnt seem to be picking up an ip address
[04:16] <bsnider> the problem i had with ath9k is htat i couldn't connect to a new-ish d-link router but i could connect to and old apple router
[04:16] <chronographer> whats the command for wicd gui?
[04:16] <chronographer> nvm
[04:20] <literal> jockey...is that the crash reporter?
[04:20] <bsnider> no
[04:20] <bsnider> jockey is the restricted-drivers-manager
[04:20] <literal> ah
[04:21] <danbhfive> hehehe, the name changes drive me crazy sometimes!
[04:37] <danbhfive> erm, hmmm
[04:37] <danbhfive> bsnider: you are correct, those madwifis dont work at all
[04:37] <DanaG> Odd... blueproximity unlocks... but it won't lock.
[04:38] <bsnider> they abandoned that stuff in favour of ath5k
[04:38] <DanaG> Odd... blueproximity unlocks... but it won't lock.
[04:39] <literal> we heard
[04:39] <DanaG> Oh, sorry.
[04:39] <DanaG> I thought I put the message in two different channels.  =þ
[04:43] <DanaG> Aah, fixed it.
[04:45] <pwnguin> heh
[04:45] <pwnguin> "need to download 300 MB of updates"
[04:46] <pwnguin> guess im off to watch a movie or something
[04:47] <danbhfive> bsnider: bah, you were correct.  madwifi is phail
[04:48] <bsnider> yeah you have to use ath9k
[04:49] <bsnider> which is in intrepid
[04:53] <bsnider> i wish i could blame the hard lockups on network-manager because i don't want to keep using madwifi
[04:53] <bsnider> and network-manager is full of bugs right now
[04:53] <bsnider> but i don't think anybody else has hard lockups with it
[04:56] <danbhfive> zomg it is, nm-applet was disconnecting allot, as discussed earlier.  I think even my dhcp client was throwing a few errors.  I've given up on trying to make it work atm.
[04:56] <danbhfive> how hard are your lockups?  when ever my net goes bad, all my apps kinda start to freeze, then keyboard goes, but my mouse always stays movable, even thought everything else is at a stand still
[04:58] <bsnider> really? that's interesting. i also lose the mouse
[05:23] <DanaG> Oh hey, anybody here use OpenOffice 3 (beta or rc or whatever)?
[05:23] <DanaG> I didn't even know about it until I saw somebody ask about it earlier.
[05:23] <DanaG> I know it won't be included in Intrepid... but I'm just curious: any must-have new features?
[05:24] <literal> http://development.openoffice.org/releases/3.0.0rc1.html
[05:24] <literal> man, those release notes are a horrible read
[05:25] <DanaG> Wow, mega horizontal scroll.
[05:26] <DanaG> Wow, trendlines.... I had noticed a lack of those... =þ
[05:39] <DanaG> Why the heck do things keep getting OOM-killed?
[06:04] <DanaG> Argh, for some reason, things keep getting OOM killed.... even though I'm only at 50% memory usage, and zero percent swap usage.  That exit was one of them.
[06:04] <rski> no idea
[06:44] <Reed_Solomon> man something seems to be eating all my memory. maybe compiz.. i dunno.  or it could be the driver for my intel GM45 chip.  but its slowly eating into my physical memory
[06:44] <Reed_Solomon> and ive got 3 gigs
[06:45] <Reed_Solomon> just an observation, not really complaining.  I guess it could be plasma/kde 4 too. hard to determine really
[06:45] <Reed_Solomon> still better than vista
[06:45] <literal> why don't you check what's using all this memory then?
[06:45] <Reed_Solomon> how
[06:45] <literal> top, for example
[06:45] <Reed_Solomon> oh yeah
[06:46] <literal> shift+m to sort by memory usage
[06:48] <Reed_Solomon> xorg/plasma/compiz in that order, then python.
[06:51] <Reed_Solomon> everything seems to be eating memory though.  kmix is at 214m, of all things.
[06:51] <Reed_Solomon> compiz seems really lite in comparison at 261m
[06:52] <DanaG> I also keep getting out-of-memory kills.
[06:52] <DanaG> It's really rather irritating.
[06:53] <DanaG> ... especially when I get an out-of-memory kill while my 2.5 gigs of RAM is only half used... and my swap is entirely empty.
[06:53] <Reed_Solomon> you using kde 4 DanaG?
[06:54] <DanaG> Nope, I'm using Gnome.
[06:54] <RAOF> Reed_Solomon: That'd be the virtual size of the programs, I'd guess.  That's the size of their address space, which might involve all sorts of things - all the shared libs it uses, any files it's mmapped, PCI address space it's using, etc.
[06:54] <DanaG> I also get an OOM kill when I switch FROM compiz TO metacity.....
[06:54] <Reed_Solomon> RAOF:  true
[06:54] <DanaG> ... it actually killed nautilus and pidgin.
[06:54] <RAOF> DanaG: Which is fairly wierd.
[06:54] <DanaG> Another time, I was running an update in update-manager.... and it killed... nautilus, pidgin, and quodlibet.
[06:55] <DanaG> Or something like that.
[06:55] <RAOF> DanaG: The OOM killer isn't renound for killing the memory hogs, no.
[06:55] <DanaG> Well, what's even weirder is, it's killing even when I have plenty of memory space left.
[06:55]  * RAOF wonders idly just why people with ATI and Intel cards install the nvidia drivers.
[06:56] <DanaG> It seems to be doing it when I'm under heavy load, such as with high iowait usage.
[06:56] <Reed_Solomon>   http://pastebin.com/d2fd002dd for my top output
[06:57] <Reed_Solomon> i installed kinfocenter, and im just watching my free physical memory slowly go from 2.5/3 gigs to 1.2 gigs
[06:58] <RAOF> Reed_Solomon: Looking at the top output nothing seems to be taking an excessive amount of memory.
[06:58] <Reed_Solomon> its really quite hypnotic
[06:58] <Reed_Solomon> RAOF: maybe its the driver for my intel card?
[06:58] <RAOF> With the exception of Xorg, for which 300Mb seems unusually high.
[06:59] <Reed_Solomon> gm45 intel card, so it could be buggy
[06:59] <Reed_Solomon> rather onboard but its relatively new
[06:59] <RAOF> Possibly.  I'm not really sure what *normal* Xorg mem usage should look like; your card doesn't actually have any vram, for examlpe.
[06:59] <RAOF> Presumably the system memory it's using as vram is getting accounted for in Xorg, but I'm not sure.
[07:00] <RAOF> It's also possible it's just a driver bug, of course.
[07:00] <Reed_Solomon> possibly
[07:00] <Reed_Solomon> http://pastebin.com/d702e54b8 (shows dmesg |grep intel)
[07:01] <Reed_Solomon> ill assume its a bug in my X driver
[07:01] <Reed_Solomon> seems the most logical conclusion
[07:01] <Reed_Solomon> i guess I could try killing X and see what happens when I restart
[07:01] <Reed_Solomon> what do you think
[07:02] <Reed_Solomon> oddly enough my /var/log/ directory was taking almost 80 gigs the other day
[07:02] <RAOF> Heh.  That can cause some fun!
[07:03] <Reed_Solomon> heh
[07:03] <RAOF> I forget what of mine was filling / with logs.
[07:03] <Reed_Solomon> well i figured it out pretty quickly i forget what I did
[07:03] <Reed_Solomon> i was copying a dvd for my sister and im like.. what, out of space? its a new laptop!
[07:04] <Reed_Solomon> i deleted it without looking though
[07:04] <Reed_Solomon> as i was rather in a hurry
[07:04] <Reed_Solomon> still surprised
[07:04] <RAOF> Anyway, I'd _expect_ your free physical memory to slowly decrease as stuff gets cached in; I'm not sure if kinfocentre will count that as 'free' though.
[07:05] <RAOF> I'm not yet convinced it's an honest-to-goodness bug, unless Xorg's memory consumption continues to increase.
[07:06] <Reed_Solomon> it was 230 before, now its 248m
[07:06] <RAOF> Wake me when it's > 500 :)
[07:06] <Reed_Solomon> heh
[07:06] <Reed_Solomon> if i can still type
[07:06] <Reed_Solomon> ill let you know
[07:07] <RAOF> What?  You can't drop 500Mb on Xorg?  How much ram is in that thing?
[07:07] <Reed_Solomon> 3 gigs
[07:07] <RAOF> Pfft.
[07:07] <RAOF> You'll easily be able to type with X taking up 500Mb.  That's less than half your memory!
[07:07] <Reed_Solomon> yah probably
[07:08] <Reed_Solomon> unless something else happens
[07:08] <RAOF> (Much less).
[07:08] <Reed_Solomon> yes yes 1/6th of my memory
[07:27] <Tamagotono> Reed_Solomon: just wondering if you are using a laptop or desktop that has the g45 chipset
[07:27] <Reed_Solomon> laptop
[07:27] <Reed_Solomon> thinkpad sl400
[07:27] <Reed_Solomon> just got it last week
[07:28] <Tamagotono> you are able to use the laptop's display?
[07:28] <Reed_Solomon> yep
[07:28] <Tamagotono> I just bought a sony vgn-fw140e with x4500MHD and can only use external video with the Intel driver.
[07:28] <Reed_Solomon> really
[07:28] <Reed_Solomon> huh
[07:29] <rski> oh noez =(
[07:29] <Tamagotono> I am using the VESA driver at 1024x768 on my 1600x900 display!
[07:29] <Reed_Solomon> you mean the external display is 1600x900 and you can only get 1024x768 vesa?
[07:29] <Reed_Solomon> or is that the LCD max
[07:30] <Tamagotono> no, external works fine.  Laptop display is 1600x900 but in order to use it at all I have to use VESA and the best I can manage with that driver is 1024x768.
[07:30] <Reed_Solomon> im using the latest kernel/Xorg from intrepid and its working with the intel driver with xv and openGL working pretty good, got compiz going
[07:31] <fargiolas> how can I restore power button binding to shutdown-restart-suspend instead of fast-user-switch-applet?
[07:31] <Reed_Solomon> I haven't tried it on my external monitor, but i did try the HDMI output and VGA output to a vizio TV and with a bit of coaxing worked
[07:31] <Tamagotono> interepid automatically configured it for you no problem (onboard display)
[07:31] <Tamagotono> ?
[07:32] <Reed_Solomon> Tamagotono, i think so..  i suppose you could try doing a "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" if you haven't already
[07:32] <Reed_Solomon> xorg.conf suggests that
[07:32] <Tamagotono> been there done that!  :)
[07:33] <Tamagotono> I even tried Mandriva to verify that it is not just an ubuntu bug.  No luck there either... :(
[07:33] <Reed_Solomon> ah. well.. thats the extent of my Xorg knowledge, as I don't really get where things are being configured in ubuntu now for xorg
[07:34] <RAOF> Tamagotono: Got an Xorg.0.log?
[07:34] <Tamagotono> I'm with you there!  A lot more going on behind the scene now.
[07:35] <Tamagotono> I can generate one easy enough.. I have never posted one before on IRC where do I put it? pastebin something or other?
[07:35] <Reed_Solomon> id use pastebin
[07:35] <Reed_Solomon> dont wanna flood
[07:36] <Tamagotono> give me a few and I'll post it...
[07:36] <RAOF> Tamagotono: You're probably interested in the "pastebinit" package.
[07:36] <Reed_Solomon> i wouldnt mind at least figuring out how to get my middle thinkpad mouse button to act as a scroll
[07:37] <DanaG> Hmm, I like the latest Synaptics Xorg driver... it deals much better with moisture (such as water) than previous versions.
[07:38] <Reed_Solomon> i dont web browse in the bath
[07:38] <Reed_Solomon> :)
[07:38] <DanaG> Oh, but what about when you have a glass of ice water or something, and get condensation on your hands?
[07:39] <Reed_Solomon> i wipe it on my shirt
[07:40] <Reed_Solomon> shirts. the universal napkin
[07:40] <DanaG> Oh yeah, scrolly thing: there's an option:
[07:40] <DanaG> EmulateWheelButton
[07:41] <DanaG> I've moved my synaptics tweaks from xorg.conf into an fdi file.
[07:42] <Tamagotono> OK, I just pasted my Xorg.0.log at http://paste.ubuntu.com/44813/ this is with me trying to use the Intel driver.
[07:45] <RAOF> Tamagotono: Hm.  And what happens?  That looks like it should be displaying something on LVDS
[07:46] <Reed_Solomon> yah i dont see why it shouldnt
[07:47] <Tamagotono> the screen turns bright white and if you watch it, you can see it fade to black over a period of 20 minutes or so...  It acts like its working but just doesn't display anything.
[07:47] <RAOF> Hm.  Sounds like it's not quite driving your LVDS right.
[07:48] <Tamagotono> If I switch to a different VT then back to VT7, I can see an after image of the text on the screen, just in reverse...
[07:49] <RAOF> Yeah, the modesetting sounds borked.
[07:49] <RAOF> Bug filing time!
[07:51] <Tamagotono> Yeah! -- my first bug report!  I'll figure out how to do it, and get it posted tonight.
[07:52] <Reed_Solomon> So now that dpkg automagically generates your xorg.conf, where do you put your mouse configuration stuff like emulatewheelbutton?
[07:52] <Reed_Solomon> Tamagotono, if you love going to the dentist, you'll love filing bug reports
[07:53] <Reed_Solomon> im such a bitter person
[07:53] <Tamagotono> I hate going to the dentist... they always use novicane, it dulls the sensation... :)
[07:53] <Tamagotono> thats why I just do my own dental work.
[07:53] <Fallenou> hi, has somebody tested the 802.1x with the new network manager ? (intrepid alpha) ?
[07:54] <Fallenou> 802.1x on wired network
[07:55] <Reed_Solomon> i gave up on network manager and use wicd
[07:55] <RAOF> Fallenou: Not that I know of; most places I could plug my laptop into feel that physical access is pretty much enough of a security measure.
[07:55] <zniavre> !bug samba
[07:55] <RAOF> Fallenou: Feel free to test it, though ;)
[07:55] <Fallenou> i think i tested it
[07:55] <Fallenou> and i never manage to get it work
[07:55] <zniavre> hello all of you
[07:56] <Fallenou> but i will try again i'm not sure of my tests
[07:56] <RAOF> You're testing the 0.7 packgages in Intrepid right now?
[07:56] <DanaG> Reed_Solomon: try looking in /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-x11-input.fdi   -- copy it to /etc/hal/fdi/policy and edit it.
[07:56] <DanaG> You'll have to add x11_option things:
[07:56] <Fallenou> yes it's 0.7.0 on intrepid alpha 4
[07:56] <DanaG> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config
[07:57] <Fallenou> RAOF < on my campus (university neighbourhood) i enabled 802.1x wired authentification with password/login/mac address over ldap server
[07:57] <Fallenou> and it works well with the network manager of Hardy Heron
[07:57] <DanaG> or look at other ones in 10osvendor, such as the synaptics one.
[07:58] <Reed_Solomon> thanks DanaG
[07:58] <Fallenou> i added an entry in the menu of the network manager (on hardy) and i just have to click on it and it does the authentification + dhcp request and i'm totally OK, btw i never found out how to make it automatic
[07:58] <Fallenou> if someone know (i know i'm not on the right channel for hardy :p)
[07:58] <RAOF> Wow.  The fluendo guys are really responsive.
[07:59] <RAOF> Fallenou: I'd file a bug if you'd like Intrepid to work; I don't think too many people are testing wired authentication.
[07:59] <Fallenou> ok
[07:59] <Fallenou> i will do more testing tomorrow
[07:59] <Fallenou> i'm not on the campus right now
[08:00] <Fallenou> i'd like to thank you the UI for new network manager is really good
[08:00] <Fallenou> there is pretty much all the thing about network in there o_o
[08:01] <Fallenou> RAOF < do you know how to add a VPN connection ? all the buttons are disactivated (in grey) "Add" "Edit" "Delete" etc :o
[08:04] <RAOF> Fallenou: You'd need to install the various network-manager-*vpn packages, I think.
[08:05] <Reed_Solomon> http://mvogt.wordpress.com/2008/08/15/xorg-evdev-and-emulatewheel/ <- google rules, thanks again danag
[08:05] <Reed_Solomon> huh, without capitalization, that looks like "da nag"
[08:05] <Fallenou> ooooh
[08:05] <Fallenou> it would be great to be done automatically if i click on "Add" :)
[08:05] <Fallenou> just like totem recognizes missing codec and download it
[08:06] <Fallenou> because all i see is disactivated buttons
[08:07] <RAOF> Right; that would probably require PackageKit to be useful.
[08:07] <Fallenou> RAOF < last question (i think :p) is there specific network manager for Xubuntu ? (xfce) ?
[08:07] <RAOF> No.
[08:07] <Fallenou> ok, i use the one from gnome
[08:07] <RAOF> At least, I don't think so.  nm-applet is gtk, it should fit nicely in Xubunut.
[08:07] <Fallenou> yes it does
[08:08] <Fallenou> ok i thank you a lot for answering my questions :)
[08:08] <Fallenou> keep going ubuntu team you do nice work :D
[08:09] <Reed_Solomon> yes im quite impressed with intrepid.
[08:09] <Reed_Solomon> anyone started speculation on the next j series names?
[08:09] <Reed_Solomon> i figure its either jumping jaguars, or jiggly jellyfish
[08:10] <Reed_Solomon> what else is there
[08:10] <zniavre> The Jaunty Jackalope
[08:10] <Reed_Solomon> theres no such animal
[08:10] <zniavre> it's kind of rabbit no ?
[08:11] <Tamagotono> my vote is for Jovial Jackel
[08:11] <stefanlsd> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackalope
[08:11] <Reed_Solomon> coulda gone with jackrabbit then
[08:11] <zniavre> :-D
[08:12] <Reed_Solomon> madness
[08:13] <DanaG> how about a jackal?
[08:13] <DanaG> oh, already got it.
[08:14]  * DanaG goes off to bed.
[08:18] <DanaG> wtf... power button isn't initating shutdown.
[08:19] <zniavre> DanaG:  you should disconnect your session come back to gdm and rebbot with option menu
[08:20] <zniavre> he found alone ...   :o)
[08:48] <Tamagotono> OK, it took me a while but I finally posted my first Bug report!  Bug #268036
[09:14] <x1250> my vote goes to: Jovial Jackal
[09:17] <sveri_> hey folks, i cannot install kdebase-runtime anymore: kopete: Depends: kdebase-runtime (>= 4:4.1.1) but it is not going to be installed
[09:35] <Tamagotono> sveri_: try sudo apt-get install -f kdebase-runtime
[09:43] <sveri_> Tamagotono:  Depends: kdebase-runtime-data (>= 4:4.1.1-0ubuntu4) but it is not going to be installed
[09:51] <Tamagotono> odd, the -f should have it get what is needed.  try sudo apt-get -f install kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-data   see how that works...
[09:54] <sveri_> yea, works out the same: Depends: kdebase-runtime-data (>= 4:4.1.1-0ubuntu4) but 4:4.1.1-0ubuntu3 is to be installed Depends: kde-icons-oxygen (>= 4:4.1.1-0ubuntu4) but 4:4.1.1-0ubuntu3 is to be installed
[09:56] <sveri_> ah, but it seems like apt-get -f install kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-data kde-icons-oxygen works, at least he's downloading and not breaking
[09:57] <sveri_> now he breaks with: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime_4%3a4.1.1-0ubuntu4_amd64.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/ksvgtopng', which is also in package kdelibs4-dev
[10:05] <Tamagotono> sounds like they have some broken packages.  not much to do until they fix them.
[10:05] <Tamagotono> Sorry to leave you in a learch, but I am going to bed.  Good night.
[10:06] <Tamagotono> Thanks to everyone for your help.  especiall Reed_Solomon and RAOF
[10:45] <nacho> Hi
[10:46] <nacho> I was wondering... why did you remove the svn_version.h file from libsvn-dev package?
[10:46] <nacho> I asked the package mantainer and he said me that he made the package for debian and in debian that file exists
[10:47] <nacho> this file is needed for detection in gtranslator and anjuta (in a near future)
[10:53] <void^> file a bug against the package
[10:53] <nacho> ok
[12:54] <frybye> I have kubuntu 8.04 with kde3 and kde4.1 - if I do a sudo distro update.. will I have to install everything again or will i still have my stuff and or will both kde be avail etc etc..?
[12:55] <frybye> ah ha - I have just read the #-header - better forget this for now...
[13:11] <gnomefreak> whhat is the command to use nvidia to generate xorg.conf?
[13:11] <remu> Hey everyone, I installed Intrepid last night, because I just got a brand new HP dv4t, and using Hardy, neither my wireless, nor my sound functioned properly, however running the latest alpha gets me a working wireless card, but I am still having problems
[13:11] <remu> gnomefreak: sudo nvidia-xconfig
[13:12] <gnomefreak> remu: thanks
[13:12] <remu> np
[13:13] <remu> The issue I seem to be having with my sound is that it seems to be repeating in short bursts, I have to mute my speakers to be able to function, because GDM will set it off, and I just get this "ding ding ding ding" kind of sound, like a repeat of the first little bit of the startup sound, I tried this:http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5587712&postcount=472 in the hopes that that might fix things, but that didn't help
[13:15] <gnomefreak> remu: you need to uncomment it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[13:15] <gnomefreak> it should be the last one in that file
[13:15] <gnomefreak> be back in a few
[13:26] <remu> http://pastebin.com/d714ea78c thats my /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist, does anyone know what gnomefreak was talking about? because all of my options are uncommented, do i need to add something to it?
[13:29] <Pici> remu: He was referring to the snd_pcsp entry
[13:29] <remu> but thats already uncommented, so I take it I'm outta luck with that attempt eh
[13:31] <Pici> remu: It may not be related to that bug then
[13:36] <remu> well that sucks, lol
[14:19] <nastas> anyone knows about tvtuners?
[14:20] <nastas> i'm on a laptop trying to make my pcmci tv tuner to work
[15:44] <IdleOne> http://imagebin.ca/view/zG2MXbcx.html was told yesterday that glxinfo is not a program therefore can't be closed unexpectedly. so why do I have this screenshot?
[15:53] <MrKennie> of course it's a program
[15:54] <cbr> hello, l10n in intrepid still seems to be broken (at kde4 at least)
[15:56] <JontheEchidna> cbr: broken? Is this with this morning's updates?
[15:57] <cbr> no, it has been like this all the time with kde4 in intrepid
[15:57] <`Matir> In intrepid, what's the best java plugin available for amd64?
[15:57] <MrKennie> `Matir: does openjdk work?
[15:59] <`Matir> MrKennie, does not seem to work properly... trying to use a java-based ssh/console client and I just get a grey box... the java test page on Sun's site shows stuff (version info and all), but the animation flickers ridculously
[16:00] <MrKennie> hm, there's icedtea too, not sure what the difference is though
[16:00] <void^> probably little difference. sun doesn't have a 64bit browser plugin so existing plugins are all based on gcj code afaik
[16:00] <`Matir> any idea how can I make firefox use icedtea instead?  I've installed the packages, but it still uses openjdk, and I can't find an alternative in /etc/alternatives
[16:01] <void^> xulrunner-1.9-javaplugin.so in alternatives
[16:01] <`Matir> only offers /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/lib/amd64/gcjwebplugin.so
[16:02] <void^> !info icedtea-gcjwebplugin
[16:02] <`Matir> actually... hrrm
[16:02] <`Matir> yeah, I have that installed
[16:03] <`Matir> what's weird is that file is actually part of the icedtea package and not an openjdk package
[16:03] <void^> meh, just link to it manually.. doubt it will work better anyways
[16:04] <`Matir> can one nspluginwrapper the 32-bit java from sun?
[16:05] <`Matir> ah, apparently not
[16:05] <`Matir> well, that sucks for java options for amd64 :\
[16:06] <MrKennie> yea, like a lot of stuff
[16:07] <void^> i usually end up using 32bit firefox if i need flash or java
[16:07] <frank2424> anybody know if the latest intrepid daily iso boots in VirtualBox?
[16:09] <carandraug> Hi! I can't use the left and right mouse buttons at same time to copy paste text as I used to in Hardy and before. I've checked the xorg.conf file and the option "Emulate3Buttons" "true" is there
[16:10] <`Matir> void^, does a 32 bit ff require a chroot?  I know it used to, but haven't tried it lately
[16:10] <unavailable> having problems with hibernate
[16:11] <unavailable> i click the power button and choose hibernate, it locks the screen
[16:11] <unavailable> i type sudo hibernate, it complains about a tuxonice binary not found
[16:11] <void^> `Matir: no, but i'm not sure if the 32bit libs package includes all dependencies on ubuntu
[16:12] <unavailable>  Tuxonice binary signature file not found
[16:12] <unavailable> anyone get hibernate working?
[16:13] <MrKennie> I've not tried with intrepid but it mostly works in hardy
[16:13] <MrKennie> for me that is. I can't speak for everyone
[16:14] <unavailable> does your usb fail after hibernate?
[16:14] <unavailable> this was a problem I had in hardy
[16:14] <MrKennie> I actually got rpc crashes but that's a known bug anyway
[16:14] <MrKennie> usb seemed fine
[16:15] <MrKennie> I just don't bother using it because it's just as fast to shutdown and start from cold when I need it.
[16:15] <MrKennie> sometimes faster
[16:15] <unavailable> yah, I was notified about this because of the bug I subscribed to while in hardy, and I want to see if it still exists
[16:16] <unavailable> but i cannot hibernat
[16:16] <unavailable> e  at all
[16:16] <MrKennie> hibernation is currently an ongoing issue anyway
[16:17] <MrKennie> probably will be for a long time too
[16:38] <carandraug> Hi! I can't use the left and right mouse buttons at same time to copy paste text as I used to in Hardy and before. I've checked the xorg.conf file and the option "Emulate3Buttons" "true" is there
[16:40] <`Matir> carandraug, odd, I have no problem even without that option
[16:40] <`Matir> does your Xorg.0.log show anything?
[16:42] <carandraug> `Matir: what do you mean by anything? I can pastebin it
[16:42] <carandraug> `Matir: ohh, ok. Didn't seen you were talking about the log. One minute
[16:47] <carandraug> `Matir: should I be looking for something specific? I grepped mouse but can't find anything special
[16:48] <`Matir> carandraug, anything mouse related starting with (WW) or (EE)?
[16:49] <carandraug> `Matir: http://paste.ubuntu.com/44941/  <-- only these lines
[16:52] <carandraug> `Matir: the only stuff with errors and warnings were graph card and fonts related
[16:56] <`Matir> carandraug, hrrm, using current intrepid updates?
[16:56] <`Matir> anything special about your mouse?
[16:57] <carandraug> `Matir: updated to intrepid yesterday. Mouse is from microsoft. Never seen anything special bout it
[16:58] <`Matir> k, just making sure it wasn't one of those special mac mice or anything
[16:59] <carandraug> `Matir: there's one thing though. I have to use the kernel 2.6.24-19 (the one I used with Hardy) to get decent resolution, even though I'm using metacity
[16:59] <`Matir> ah
[17:00] <`Matir> have you tried the more recent kernel (at reduced resolution) to see if it works there?  I don't think kernel version should change much, but you never know
[17:01] <carandraug> `Matir: no. It hurts my head.  It's a pain to scroll now and I've only used the middle button yesterday and today.
[17:03] <carandraug> `Matir: yeah, you're right.  Never happened before, scroll was always smoth.  He always used the middle button instead of emulating it
[17:07] <`Matir> weird... I use middle button/scroll for click and haven't had any trouble... guess it depends on the mouse though
[17:08] <`Matir> I'm looking at changelogs now to see if I see anything that's changed since hardy
[17:08] <carandraug> `Matir: probably. My brother's mouse is the same model as mine so it's probably related.
[17:10] <`Matir> carandraug, it seems that input devices moved to evdev beginning with intrepid, so I suspect that's related... trying to find more now
[17:11] <carandraug> `Matir: where do you see that? Can you give me the link?
[17:12] <`Matir> carandraug, http://mvogt.wordpress.com/2008/08/15/xorg-evdev-and-emulatewheel/
[17:15] <carandraug> `Matir: it's probably this line <merge key="input.x11_options.Emulate3Buttons" type="string">true</merge> but I only have preferences.fdi there
[17:18] <`Matir> maybe you can create one like that and just update the info.product string
[17:18] <carandraug> `Matir: he mention the need of a very recent xserver-xorg-input-evdev Wouldn't the one from INtrepid be enough?
[17:18] <`Matir> carandraug, well, that's for his scrolling fix, not sure if it's required for emulate3buttons
[17:18] <`Matir> trying to find more
[17:19] <carandraug> `Matir: I was thinking about doing that. But I don't know what I should place on info.product
[17:20] <`Matir> carandraug, actually, looks like you might be able to disable evdev per this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/199923
[17:20] <`Matir> it's not very clear to me
[17:23] <`Matir> carandraug, also, this has a lot on the new FDI files: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config
[17:24] <carandraug> `Matir: guess I'll have to learn a new trick. edit fdi files. As if xorg.conf wasn't already an hassle :p
[17:26] <`Matir> well, I'm hoping that by the time Intrepid comes out there should be sane fdi files for most hardware :)  hoping.
[17:29] <gx009> if installation hangs/fails in amd machines try: http://deekayen.net/fedora-core-5-io-scheduler-cfq-registered-hang-fix
[17:33] <gx009> interesting that an alpha1 disc booted up alright and the newer alpha5 needed this boot option
[17:33] <Pici> Alpha1 didnt use 2.6.27
[17:36] <gx009> am ecstatic about jumping into 2.6.28
[17:37] <rski> why
[17:37] <gx009> i wasted too much time on 2.6.27..
[17:39] <rski> =)
[17:40] <gx009> yay! finally am booting up into kubuntu 8.10
[17:52] <bobesponja> gx009: I'm upgrading to kubuntu 8.10 right now, how is it going so far for you?
[17:54] <gx009> its going ok.. but i forgot to format the partition so am going over it again
[17:54] <fatal> If anyone is willing to triage the iproute bugs you have open in launchpad to see if they are still valid, I'd be willing to see if I can help solve them (if they are general enough to also apply to Debian which should be most that are actual iproute bugs rather then kernel or net-tools bugs).
[17:56] <fatal> does anyone know if there's a way to link launchpad bugs to debian bugs and/or if a random user like me can close bugs in launchpad? See bug #260301
[18:02] <carandraug> `Matir: it's working. I added a file to policy, edited it. path to device was /dev/input/mouse1 :D So happy
[18:02] <carandraug> `Matir: thanks a lot for your help
[18:08] <cbovy> I found a regression with evolution in Intrepid, anyone can help me to confirm?
[18:10] <milos_> hi allll
[18:10] <cbovy> hi milos
[18:11] <milos_> how we are doing today?
[18:11] <cbovy> do you know how to tag a bug in launchpad so that it is listed with Intrepid?
[18:12] <milos_> not really, i am using launchpad but I am not so god at it
[18:13] <cbovy> I'm having some problems with Evolution. S/MIME in evolution composer doesn't work anymore since upgraded to intrepid.
[18:13] <cbovy> I filed a bug report, but it isn't shown within the Intrepid list.
[18:14] <`Matir> which intrepid list?
[18:15] <milos_> i usually go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid and than click on 'Report a bug'
[18:15] <cbovy> when I go to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid and then show bugs, my bug is not present in the list.
[18:15] <cbovy> I did, but it seems that it is not nominated for Intrepid.
[18:15] <cbovy> I filed this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/267879
[18:16] <milos_> check that bug, maybe is tagged as private
[18:16] <milos_> if shows it's private, maybe is that the reason
[18:18] <`Matir> i think you have to hit "Nominate for release" and select intrepid there
[18:18] <Pici> I'd ask in #ubuntu-bugs, I don't think that is necessary.
[18:18] <cbovy> Pici: I'll ask it overthere.
[18:21] <CarlFK> i just installed today's daily build  in qemu - when I shut down, it hangs after NetworkManager: <info? eth0 taking down device  http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/a/qemu1.png
[18:21] <CarlFK> is this worth reporting somehwhere, or is it a bit too goofy?
[18:25] <`Matir> CarlFK, one off or reproducible?
[18:26] <CarlFK> `Matir: haven't tired.  i guess I can kill this session and boot/shutdown again
[18:34] <fluteflute> Has anyone else got an issue with firefox opening in a semi-fullscreen mode?
[18:36] <carandraug> fluteflute: no. But have you tried checking about:config to check for some fullscreen option and change it?
[18:38] <fluteflute> Well its not actually firefox's fullscreen mode, just a normal firefox window which covers the panels and doesn't have the window border. I'll take a look though...
[18:44] <mirak> hello
[18:44] <mirak> are the multiproto drivers included in ibex interpid ?
[18:45] <CarlFK> multiproto or biarch support?
[18:45] <mirak> CarlFK: what is it ?
[18:46] <CarlFK> biarch = running 32 bit stuff on a x64 kernel
[18:49] <fluteflute> I've reported a bug incase anyone else is having a similar problem: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/268253
[18:50] <CarlFK> `Matir: kinda reproducible - I booted to single, and did #halt, and it didn't exit qemu either, but did get to "System halted"   http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/a/qemu2.png
[18:50] <crdlb> fluteflute: that is a compiz problem
[18:51] <crdlb> well, metacity has the feature too, but it seems to be a tiny bit less broken there
[18:51] <fluteflute> crdlb: thanks, thought it might be, i'll reassign
[18:51] <fluteflute> whats the command for metacity replace again?
[18:51] <crdlb> fluteflute: compiz-fusion-plugins-main provides a Workarounds plugin
[18:51] <crdlb> which you can disable (or just disable 'legacy fullscreen support' within it)
[18:52] <CarlFK> in 7 min I can try going all the way to the GUI login like I did before
[18:52] <crdlb> personally, I hate that feature
[18:52] <fluteflute> crdlb: thanks so much!
[18:53] <crdlb> it's only still enabled for wine, which is the only app I know of which still isn't EWMH-compliant
[19:44] <ToHellWithGA> is remote desktop/vnc broken now?
[19:45] <ToHellWithGA> i tried to turn it on but i cannot connect
[20:38] <pwnguin> question: which distro is most likely to be unpatched in the wild?
[20:38] <rski> pwnguin: lfs
[20:38] <pwnguin> hmm
[20:38] <pwnguin> woa, wrong channel
[20:45] <milosz> what's the best way to update to Intrepid?
[20:46] <milosz> update from an installation CD?
[20:46] <milosz> or simply using apt, and changing all the sources to "intrepid"?
[20:46] <pwnguin> update manager
[20:46] <pwnguin> it has a flag you can use at command line
[20:46] <pwnguin> -c or -d
[20:47] <pwnguin> the cd will have outdated packages anyways
[20:47] <pwnguin> so this saves a bit of bandwidth perhaps
[20:48] <milosz> pwnguin, ok i got it running, thanks
[20:48] <milosz> hmm 1.2GB updates
[20:48] <milosz> good i have a 30mpbs connection ^^
[20:53] <bsnider> anybody getting that lovely thing where the video codecs reverse the blues and reds?
[20:54] <pwnguin> cmyk versus rgb?
[20:55] <bsnider> no it's just all the colours are normal except blues and reds are reversed, so everything that should be blue is red and vice versa
[20:56] <edgy> Hi, firefox doesn't play sound in flash like in youtube, is it only me?
[21:00] <rski> edgy: same here
[21:00] <rski> dunno why, sound works elsewhere
[21:01] <edgy> rski: thanks for the confirmation
[21:15] <vistakiller1> same here with flash
[21:19] <rski> Failed to initialize TTM buffer manager.  Falling back to classic.
[21:19] <rski> not working yet >&
[21:28] <doggymenz> there was an xorg-server-input-evdev update, and now my keyboard works strange
[21:28] <doggymenz> arrow keys, page up/down, winkey, etc
[21:37] <Turms> i'm having problems connecting to internet, first of all network-manager wishes i use dhcp, while i use static, but even if i configure it manually when i restart i doesn't preserve my settings, so i disinstalled network-manager
[21:38] <Turms> but problems are still there, in fact i can ping an address but if i launch apt-get update or firefox it doesn't connect, route -n gives the right settings
[21:39] <Turms> obviously the problem existed with network-manager as well
[21:39] <Turms> apt-get update
[22:01] <bsnider> Turms, everybody's having trouble with network-manager
[22:01] <rski> not mw :)
[22:01] <rski> me*
[22:02] <cbr_> 0.7 isnt connecting to wifi
[22:02] <cbr_> for me
[22:02] <cbr_> 0.6 works
[22:06] <dupondje> Turms: try playing with the 'System Device' checkbox
[22:06] <dupondje> when u tick it off
[22:06] <dupondje> set static ip
[22:07] <dupondje> and then save it
[22:07] <dupondje> then tick the System device checkbox
[22:07] <dupondje> it sometimes remembers the static ip settings :p
[22:16] <Turms> bsnider , dupondje thanks
[22:33] <zniavre> !bug
[23:10] <milosz> hmm virtualbox-ose modules are not available for the current Intrepid kernel?
[23:11] <rski> not that i know o
[23:11] <rski> f
[23:12] <rski> was looking for it today
[23:14] <milosz> yeah strange
[23:15] <rski> not really, just not done yet :)
[23:16] <rski> or uploaded
[23:22] <milosz> hmm i hope they'll appear soon-ish
[23:23] <milosz> but i was warned before the upgrade to Intrepid :)
[23:23] <milosz> about not using it on production systems
[23:23] <milosz> thankfully this is not my work system
[23:35] <bsnider> just use the non-open source one
[23:37] <milosz> as in directly from Sun?
[23:54] <katcita> hey
[23:54] <katcita> I installed intrepid alpha5
[23:54] <katcita> the install of intrepid went fine but it doesn't mount /home and when I try to mount /home it says /dev/sda3 already mounted or /home busy, yet 'mount' doesnt list /home as mounted
[23:54] <katcita> any idea?