[05:35] <Kilos> hi melwik  welcome to ubuntu-za
[05:35] <Kilos> morning all
[06:52] <Kilos> ai! major wind blowing treees against power lines
[07:41] <nlsthzn> hey uncle Kilos , was a good last ten minutes in yesterdays match hey?!!
[07:41] <Kilos> wonderful
[07:42] <Kilos> very exciting
[07:42] <Kilos> and for once we win yay
[07:43] <nlsthzn> they tried for a bonus points and we almost lost, then they tried to win and we got a bonus point >.<
[07:43] <Kilos> lol
[07:43] <nlsthzn> I am sure their is a life lesson in there somewhere :)
[07:43] <Kilos> yip priorities
[07:49] <nlsthzn> how are you uncle Kilos ? All well in SA? Sure the weather must be much better
[07:50] <Kilos> yeah ty nlsthzn  im much happier now that its warmer, hows things by you?
[07:50] <nlsthzn> fine thanks , cooling down slowly.
[07:50] <Kilos> lol
[07:51] <nlsthzn> are you still playing some games? I see I have many doubles with the humble bundles I have purchased if you are interested in anything...
[07:51] <Kilos> this is quite interesting
[07:51] <Kilos> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/security/110636-bash-bug-shock-what-should-you-do.html
[07:53] <Kilos> i havent lately. been getting a server going here and gertting it to share 3g, also been buying a 1TB drive which the couriers used every excuse for not delivering until my supplier told them to take it back to them and they delivered it to me personally
[07:54] <Kilos> then a day and night of trying to install ubuntu on it and eventually win7 made me dig up a seagate seatools cd and find it has bad sectors in critical areas
[07:55] <Kilos> so tomorrow back to skype for the supplier
[07:55] <Kilos> they must love me and murphy
[07:55] <Kilos> hehe
[07:56] <Kilos> murphies law, as dit kan breek, sal dit
[07:56] <nlsthzn> yup
[07:56] <nlsthzn> technology, a blessing or a curse
[07:57] <Kilos> haha but disappointing with that kind of hassle on a brandy new drive
[07:57] <Kilos> last resort was to check the drive
[07:58] <Kilos> maybe it was mishandled in transit somewhere
[08:00] <nlsthzn> defects in new stuff is very common sadly
[08:00] <Kilos> eish
[08:00] <nlsthzn> and it typically happens when resolving the issue is difficult
[08:01] <nlsthzn> murphy and all ;)
[08:01] <Kilos> yip but now ive learned, if any hassles with an install check the drive first
[08:02] <Kilos> im so used to old drives and their probs i didnt even think of checking on a new one
[08:04] <Kilos> luckily in my learning process i discovered that seatools for dos program must be years back now
[08:04] <Kilos> it checks the drive thoroughly and gives an error code if there is a prob
[08:07] <nlsthzn> well at least some learning happened :)
[08:10] <Kilos> yeah
[10:52] <charl> good afternoon
[10:52] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[10:52]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[10:52] <Kilos> hi charl
[10:52] <charl> hallo Kilos
[10:53] <charl> how are you doing this fine day
[10:53] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[10:53] <charl> i'm doing great
[10:53] <Kilos> im just looking at my facebook stuffs
[10:53] <Kilos> very seldom go there but got a bit bored
[10:54] <charl> just ate a pizza at the vapiano and am now drinking coffee at douwe egberts across rotterdam central station
[10:54] <charl> ah i refuse to use facebook out of fundamental concerns
[10:54] <charl> but a lot of my friends and family use it
[10:54] <Kilos> fundamental concerns?
[10:55] <charl> centralisation of personal information and communication on a single service provider
[10:55] <charl> tools like facebook are not suitable for general use on the internet due to its centralised architecture
[10:55] <charl> same goes for whatsapp, twitter, linkedin etc
[10:56] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[10:56] <Kilos> ah
[10:56] <charl> Maaz: danke
[10:56] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[10:58] <Kilos> oh charl  i ran seatools dos thingie on the drive and it has bad blocks in critical areas
[10:58] <charl> is that the new drive you bought ?
[10:58] <Kilos> yip
[10:58] <charl> whaaaaat, that's horrible
[10:58] <charl> return it immediately
[10:59] <Kilos> thats why i couldnt install on it
[10:59] <charl> yeah no wonder
[10:59] <Kilos> yip skyping the rep tomorrow
[10:59] <charl> it sounds like a manufacturing problem, or maybe it got damaged in transit but i thought that wasn't possible anymore
[10:59] <charl> don't they do any testing before they ship new drives
[11:00] <Kilos> nope they arrive and go into their storeroom and qwait for orders
[11:00] <charl> from my time in south africa i got the impression many of these companies are selling throw-out products
[11:00] <charl> because i had that same experience at mecer, rectron
[11:00] <charl> in NL i have never bought faulty hardware, ever
[11:01] <Kilos> but they had no probs replacing a dvd writer i bought from them so i think all will be ok
[11:01] <charl> it *can* happen but it's extremely rare
[11:01] <charl> i think there's a problem in the industry with quality assurance
[11:01] <Kilos> must be
[11:01] <charl> it happened once too many for me to think it is purely coincidental
[11:02] <Kilos> next one ill run seatools  to check
[11:02] <charl> yeah you must
[11:02] <charl> can't trust these people by the looks of it
[11:02] <Kilos> actually a nice tool that
[11:02] <charl> do that first before even trying to install anything on it
[11:02] <Kilos> yip will do
[11:03] <charl> i should actually run smartctl on this hard drive some time again
[11:03] <Kilos> even gives you a seagate ref number for warranty issues
[11:03] <charl> there weren't any problems last time but you never know
[11:03] <charl> nice !
[11:03] <charl> but it's time for me to buy a new laptop in any case, i think
[11:03] <charl> i've been looking at the various thinkpad options, there are some really nice ones right now
[11:04] <charl> some light weight laptops for very good battery life
[11:04] <charl> only problem is they all come standard with hdmi now and my external screen is still an older vga
[11:04] <Kilos> i dont like those things
[11:04] <charl> so i will need a hdmi-to-vga connector
[11:04] <charl> *converter
[11:04] <Kilos> im a desktop person
[11:04] <charl> i travel around quite a bit (like i'm doing right now) and it's nice to take my laptop with and use free wifi :P
[11:05] <charl> i also take my laptop with me to work every day
[11:05] <Kilos> yes they have advantages
[11:05] <charl> but yeah it depends on your need at the end of the day
[11:05] <charl> laptops aren't very flexible
[11:05] <charl> i used to be a desktop person myself before i started traveling and realised it is just a necessity
[11:06] <Kilos> yip when travelling you cant beat a lappy
[11:06] <charl> i am also looking for a cheap-ish home server right now
[11:06] <charl> that's why i'm looking at all the various options for single-board computers
[11:07] <charl> i have an cable modem standing at home that's doing practically nothing most of the day
[11:07] <charl> want to just host my own stuff at home instead of making use of external providers
[11:08] <charl> my only problem is that most dynamic ip address ranges have been blacklisted for sending spam due to various malware infections on home computers
[11:08] <Kilos> ya ive got a pc here that my server but when i get new stuff it has to stand one side while in work here and stay online with old p4
[11:08] <charl> so i can't really use it as a mail server unless i get a static ip address routed through or i use a mail proxy
[11:08] <charl> but other stuff can be hosted without any problems
[11:09] <charl> ok i'm off again, have to catch the tram
[11:09] <charl> ciao
[11:09] <Kilos> ok
[12:20] <Kilos> sigh
[12:31] <bushtech_> nou wat's nou weer verkeerd?
[13:37] <Kilos> die wind wat die bome teen die krag drade druk dan vrek die krag
[13:38] <bushtech_> Ah Ok , nie veel wat jy daaromtrent kan doen nie
[13:39] <Kilos> lol
[13:39] <bushtech_> dog net Murphy druk jou weer
[13:40] <Kilos> nee hy kan maar more weer probeer as ek vra vir vervanging van my hardeskyf
[13:40] <bushtech_> gee hulle gas
[13:41] <Kilos> hy probeer maar altyd maar ek is hardekwas en gooi nie tou in nie
[13:41] <Kilos> ek glo nie hulle sal sukkel nie
[13:42] <bushtech_> Ja, ek dink jou attitude moet wees: Wanner is die nuwe een hier?
[13:43] <Kilos> lol ek sal die agent more oggend op skype kry en hoor
[14:55] <charl> bushtech_: you want to gas them?! you should join the nazis
[14:56] <charl> not very politically correct thing to say these days
[14:56] <Kilos> lol
[14:56] <Kilos> dont you understand afrikaans charl
[14:56] <Kilos> gee hulle gas is give them gears or give them hell
[14:57] <charl> ah
[14:57] <charl> i thought you wanted to gas them to death
[14:58] <Kilos> no man
[14:58] <charl> travel tip, if you come to europe, don't use that expression :P
[14:58] <Kilos> ok lol
[14:58] <charl> gassing here has a very negative connotation
[14:58] <charl> they used to gas the jews in poland
[14:58] <Kilos> it is also pronounced same as in ag man
[14:59] <Kilos> not a gutteral g
[14:59] <charl> in dutch we that's the way we would say it too
[14:59] <Kilos> like a silence growl
[14:59] <charl> "je moet ze gas geven"
[14:59] <Kilos> silent
[14:59] <Kilos> ah
[15:00] <charl> but yeah it isn't something you want to say :P
[15:00] <charl> after ww2 it kind-of got a really bad connotation
[15:00] <Kilos> in europe maybe not here. its the taal
[15:00] <charl> lol
[15:01] <charl> the germans developed deadly mustard gas
[15:01] <charl> that stuff wasn't good
[15:01] <Kilos> ya warfare sucks
[15:01] <charl> yeah
[15:02] <Kilos> even worse things are used today and recent wars
[15:02] <charl> yeah all these smart bombs
[15:02] <charl> bombs are never smart, only dumb
[15:02] <Kilos> good way of lowering the population though
[15:03] <charl> yeah especially in a desert where not much lives in any case
[15:03] <Kilos> lol
[15:03] <charl> go kill the little that still breathes
[15:03] <Kilos> war is stupid but thats how govts revive the economy
[15:05] <charl> yeah that's what they say, although i'm not convinced it's really true
[15:05] <charl> it revives part of the economy but it kills off another part
[15:05] <Kilos> ya but after the war there is always progress in leaps and bounds
[15:06] <charl> wasn't the case in the NL, after ww2 the country hit a major economic downturn
[15:06] <charl> germany was left divided
[15:06] <charl> took a long time to build back up what was lost
[15:06] <charl> the port city of rotterdam i just visited was almost completely destroyed
[15:06] <Kilos> but look at how they progressed
[15:06] <charl> but after many years things do eventually recover
[15:07] <Kilos> yeah well you cant rebuild in a couple of years
[15:07] <charl> i dunno, i guess there are many different ways of looking at it
[15:07] <Kilos> stupid it is
[15:07] <Kilos> but thats hguman nature hey
[15:07] <Kilos> human
[15:08] <charl> look at the uk and the usa, they are both left heavily indebted after these wars
[15:08] <charl> wars cost a LOT of money
[15:08] <Kilos> there has never been peace, peeps always want what the neighbour has
[15:08] <charl> government becomes so much in debt they can never pay the money back
[15:08] <charl> yeah it's simple human greed and the other side is frear
[15:08] <charl> *fear
[15:08] <charl> it's always "those people"
[15:08] <Kilos> yes but half the time there was no reason for the war
[15:09] <charl> well there rarely is any real reason for war
[15:09] <Kilos> like old sadam with supposed weapons of mass destruction they still havent found
[15:10] <Kilos> but they spent mega bucks getting rid of him
[15:11] <Kilos> and the uk i dont understand, theyve lost all their colonies but still shove nose in all over
[15:13] <charl> except in the EU that they rather stay out of entirely
[15:13] <Kilos> now i want my new drive man, i got kubuntu 64bit last night for it
[15:13] <charl> just because that's the only place where they can't call the shots
[15:14] <charl> and when scotland wanted out they bullied them
[15:14] <Kilos> yip they still got the attitude that they ruke the world
[15:14] <Kilos> rule
[15:14] <charl> england wants to be in everywhere but only where they can be the big boss
[15:14] <charl> they can't stand being outclassed
[15:14] <Kilos> yip and make money
[15:15] <charl> that attitude has been going on for hundreds of years
[15:15] <Kilos> everything is about money
[15:15] <charl> back in the dutch golden age they used to block our trade routes
[15:15] <charl> just because they couldn't stand us outclassing them in every way
[15:15] <charl> they wanted control over all the trade route4s
[15:15] <charl> we never wanted war with them, they just started bullying us
[15:16] <Kilos> same with boer wars
[15:16] <charl> nah those island natives... then i rather side with germany
[15:16] <charl> at least the germans are progressive, smart and they work hard
[15:16] <Kilos> same in canada with the french
[15:16] <charl> sure they have their mistakes but at least they have culture
[15:17] <charl> a former colleague of mine was canadian from ukrainian decent
[15:17] <charl> she told me about how the english used to treat the slavs as untermenschen there in canada
[15:17] <Kilos> i admire the nation they came from total destruction to being a world leader in many ways
[15:17] <charl> and then later they had a lot to say about the germans
[15:18] <Kilos> the secret is , dont lose
[15:18] <charl> yeah :D
[15:18] <Kilos> winners always write the history books
[15:18] <charl> exactly isn't that true
[15:18] <charl> yup
[15:18] <charl> the ww2 history is mostly told very one-sidedly
[15:18] <Kilos> yip
[15:18] <charl> never did they say a word about how german u-boats saved many of the survivors from the ships they destroyed
[15:18] <charl> no it's always "those evil germans"
[15:19] <Kilos> politics
[15:19] <charl> and that there were more than 40 assassination attempts on hitler, mostly by germans
[15:19] <charl> even his own inner circle
[15:19] <charl> the lengths to which they went to plot to kill hitler was amazing in many ways
[15:19] <charl> the one guy even built a cutting edge time bomb which was years ahead of its time
[15:20] <charl> pun not intended :D
[15:20] <Kilos> they are a brilliant nation and not lazy
[15:20] <charl> yeah i wish the dutch had the work ethic of the germans
[15:20] <charl> i think people here got lazy after too many years of wealth
[15:21] <Kilos> oh well us little guys can just watch
[15:21] <charl> :D
[15:21] <charl> yeah ...
[15:23] <Kilos> haha have you heard of a brobrella
[15:23] <Kilos> just saw an add
[15:24] <Kilos> brobrella is a large person that supplies you with shade to keep your beer cool
[15:29] <charl> whaaaat hahaha :D
[18:04] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:07] <Kilos> inetpro  you here?
[18:11] <Kilos> hi smile
[18:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> lo
[18:27] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[18:40] <charl> hi smile
[18:40] <charl> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[18:47] <smile> see you later, charl and Kilos :)
[18:47] <smile> and everyone else :)
[18:48] <Kilos> ok
[18:48] <smile> good night :)
[18:48] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:56] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:06] <theblazehen> I have a procrastination problem :(
[20:07] <inetpro> good evening
[20:51] <inetpro> yay!
[20:52] <inetpro> Membership renewed until 2015-09-30
[20:53] <inetpro> only 78 active members left?


[19:46] <nrezinorn> what populates netcfg ? it seems to be a merger of what a system has configured already and what cloud-init has in its datasource.  running into an issue where its trying to parse 'loopback' and fails to set up eth0
[19:48] <nrezinorn> temp fixed by adding an extra elif  line to handle the subnet_type == 'loopback', and that works so far.  the issue after that is that the default gateway is not being set in the ifcfg-eth0 file
[19:48] <nrezinorn> any ideas on where to look / how to fix it "proper"
[20:46] <smoser> nrezinorn, its quite possible it doesnt "clean" the old state out well.
[20:46] <smoser> that code path can be largely unit tested i think.
[20:47] <smoser> to let you play more quickly
[21:00] <mdorman> “can be largely unit tested” meaning the tests don’t exist at this point?
[21:03] <mdorman> what we did as a quick fix was just added a conditional for subnet_type == ‘loopback’ with a pass here:  https://git.launchpad.net/cloud-init/tree/cloudinit/net/sysconfig.py#n222   although i’m not totally clear why cloud-init is (re)configuring the lo interface in the first place.
[21:04] <mdorman> so not clear to me if what we did to fix this is appropriate or not
[21:05] <mdorman> didn’t have a chance to look at it any further today but can probably pick back up next week
[21:21] <smoser> mdorman, no.. is tested, just meaning you can modify the unit tests to do it.
[21:22] <mdorman> gottcha