[00:40] <nerdful_things> ok i'm back... short of upgrading to mythtv .24 or re-installing entire mythbuntu 10.10, is there anything I can do to fix the existing installation?  I'm referring to schema matching error.
[00:48] <nerdful_things> Something like get to mysql prompt and reset database somehow?
[00:54] <nerdful_things> couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 3B22AB97AF1CDFA9
[00:56] <nerdful_things> not sure if that breaks me trying to do .24
[01:16] <nerdful_things> Hello, I upgraded o .24. Now, I get mo pnp and unable to login when running backend setup. My DB PW, ip address are ok, and did not change during upgrade.
[01:32] <nerdful_things> NM, thinks working, ick, all my channels gone...
[12:33] <nerdful_things> !help
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[13:57] <nerdful_things> hello, i'm troubleshooting my myth .24 upgrade, and get this when trying to update synaptic: W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net maverick Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 3B22AB97AF1CDFA9
[14:07] <mycoDA> hey dude
[14:07] <mycoDA> follow the instructions on adding the ppa
[14:08] <nerdful_things> I did but that was last night.
[14:08] <mycoDA> well you didnt do it right
[14:09] <mycoDA> is totally wrong
[14:09] <mycoDA> http://ppa.launchpad.net maverick release
[14:09] <mycoDA> which ppa????
[14:11] <nerdful_things> FYI, I had a 10.1o .23 system running perfectly for weeks. One fe/be box, other frontends able to connect, etc.  Then I accidently let loose a .24 on another distro on the network, and I think it mated with my mythbuntu and corrupted everything.
[14:12] <nerdful_things> So I've been working with .24 upgrade, and seems to work with localhost <IP_ADDRESS>, but not my <IP_ADDRESS> fe/be box, if I can fix that I may be ok.
[14:12] <Zinn> [<IP_ADDRESS>] arctangent.net
[14:13] <nerdful_things> mysql.txt, in etc, and user seem ok
[14:14] <nerdful_things> but fe can't login to be unless I use localhost stuff
[14:15] <nerdful_things> running mythfrontend in term I see empty hostname, but my prompt in term shows my box.
[14:16] <nerdful_things> mycoDA, to answer your question, .24ppa
[14:18] <nerdful_things> I may have missed some config file to set my ip and database PW it seems.
[14:19] <nerdful_things> could someone list the conf files I should check, such as /.mythtv/mysql.txt, etc?
[14:21] <nerdful_things> I tried the bind-address (used to be skip networking), etc
[14:22] <nerdful_things> Well, I have a spare hard drive, would be quicker to re-install 10.10 I guess, and dump my recordings in later.
[14:23] <nerdful_things> I wish mythbuntu didn't dump everything in one partition.
[14:23] <nerdful_things> I'm used to / and /home partitions where OS can be repaired independently.
[14:25] <mycoDA> just add the mythbuntu repos
[14:25] <mycoDA> !repo
[14:25] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about repo
[14:25] <mycoDA> !ppa
[14:25] <Zinn> With Launchpad's Personal Package Archives (PPA), you can build and publish binary Ubuntu packages for multiple architectures simply by uploading an Ubuntu source package to Launchpad. See https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart.
[14:25] <mycoDA> grr
[14:26] <nerdful_things_> hehe
[14:26] <mycoDA> http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds
[14:26] <Zinn> [www.mythbuntu.org] Mythbuntu Repositories | Mythbuntu
[14:26] <nerdful_things_> I think I'm just going to plop in my new 500GB drive.
[14:27] <mycoDA> install that http://www.mythbuntu.org/files/mythbuntu-repos.deb
[14:27] <mycoDA> then you will be able to choose 0.24 in mythbuntu control center
[14:27] <nerdful_things_> ok, i'll give it another shot.
[14:27] <nerdful_things_> I just finished all my channel listings scans etc...again
[14:27] <nerdful_things_> grr
[14:28] <nerdful_things_> mycoDA: i chose .24 in the control center last night...
[14:28] <mycoDA> so dont scan, download lol
[14:28] <mycoDA> dunno what you have done then
[14:29] <mycoDA> only config file is the mysql.txt
[14:29] <nerdful_things_> No I mean I had everything working on the local box, even my recordings, I just lost the <IP_ADDRESS> access on the network. The box can't even find itself.
[14:29] <mycoDA> the rest is done in database
[14:30] <nerdful_things_> and I can't get /mythweb running.
[14:30] <nerdful_things_> for obvious reason.
[14:30] <mycoDA> sounds like mysql is totally and utterly trashed
[14:30] <mycoDA> so you should restore your backup
[14:30] <nerdful_things_> mysql.txt and mysql.cfg or something too.
[14:31] <mycoDA> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore
[14:31] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] Database Backup and Restore - MythTV Official Wiki
[14:31] <nerdful_things_> POO, I was hours away from clonezilling my perfect system when the other distro trashed the thing.
[14:31] <mycoDA> myth can only run with the same version
[14:31] <mycoDA> is kinda the point of versioning
[14:31] <nerdful_things_> I know, that is what happened.
[14:32] <mycoDA> you could even have told it not to upgrade the database on the other machine, no i dea why you let it
[14:33] <nerdful_things_> I was playing with .24 on another box on the network, not even wanting to see the mythbuntu box, but I think the .24 thought the .23 box was its BE, and messed it up.
[14:33] <mycoDA> you had to have told it to upgrade the database
[14:33] <mycoDA> and there can only be ONE master backend on the network
[14:33] <nerdful_things_> I might have, but not on porpoise..
[14:34] <nerdful_things_> So as one last try, can I just use synaptic to uninstall and re-install myth?
[14:34] <mycoDA> how would mysql have got stuffed outside the database???
[14:35] <mycoDA> you shouldnt need to - you need to recreate mythconverg
[14:35] <mycoDA> you should have a backup - myth wont let you upgrade the schema without making one
[14:35] <nerdful_things_> I'll give it a shot, how do I start, or just point me to a link, don't want to bug you.
[14:35] <mycoDA> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore
[14:35] <mycoDA> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore
[14:35] <mycoDA> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore
[14:35] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] Database Backup and Restore - MythTV Official Wiki
[14:36] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] Database Backup and Restore - MythTV Official Wiki
[14:36] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] Database Backup and Restore - MythTV Official Wiki
[14:36] <nerdful_things_> The original complaint was wrong schema anyway.
[14:36] <nerdful_things_> I don't have anything to restore from'
[14:37] <nerdful_things> well I do, but its from .23 in december
[14:37]  * nerdful_things reads wiki
[14:38] <nerdful_things> ooh, the hostname part looks interesting
[14:44] <nerdful_things> mythconverg_restore.pl --change_hostname --old_hostname="XXXX" --new_hostname="YYYY"
[14:44] <nerdful_things> I get command not found
[14:44] <nerdful_things> using sudo
[14:48] <nerdful_things> probly need mysql prompt...
[14:54] <nerdful_things> hmnn hosts.allow is an item of interest
[15:09] <nerdful_things> glad I didn't change that, just found problem...
[15:10] <nerdful_things> port 6543 was blank in setup. The prompt said "don't change" so I assumed it was blank.
[15:11] <nerdful_things> Thanks for your time, mycoDA
[15:11] <mycoDA> ack
[15:11] <mycoDA> np sorry i wasnt more help
[15:11] <mycoDA> quitting somking - addled brain
[15:11] <nerdful_things> Now for sound.. the optical and dolby digital light up on receiver, but no sound, checking controls.'
[15:13] <nerdful_things> VDPAU and stuff look good for video, I had to use nvidia driver from nvidia site, and the upgrade left that intact.
[15:15] <nerdful_things> drat, don't remember having sound problems...
[15:15] <mycoDA> prolly need to enable te optical out
[15:15] <nerdful_things> optical seems ok
[15:15] <mycoDA> *digital out
[15:15] <nerdful_things> receiver sees carrier, dolby dig, etc.
[15:15] <mycoDA> as in - enable it in myth
[15:15] <mycoDA> enable it in myth
[15:15] <mycoDA> in settings-general
[15:16] <nerdful_things> checking alsa setup again...
[15:16] <mycoDA> will need to set it to the appropriate output
[15:48] <mycoDA> gettin anywhere?
[15:50] <nerdful_things> just connected analog
[15:50] <nerdful_things> sound ok
[15:51] <nerdful_things> I'll play with optical later, sure it is ok...
[15:51] <mycoDA> speaker-test -c 6 -D surround51 -t wav
[15:51] <mycoDA> will test output
[15:52] <mycoDA> change surround51 to the appropriate output
[15:52] <nerdful_things> I tried a laptop, and am getting the schema thing, so going to re-install 10.10 frontend on it then upgrade to .24. I just did a control center backup to a separate partition on the drive.
[15:52] <mycoDA> aplay -L
[15:52] <mycoDA> will show device options
[15:53] <nerdful_things> ok, i'll play with the sound while ur here...
[15:53] <mycoDA> yeah you need to make sure you have the exact same version on  all
[15:53] <mycoDA> iec958 would be digital out for me
[15:53] <nerdful_things> important thing is to have backend recording, need it for WAF, cooking show recording now...
[15:53] <mycoDA> fair one
[15:54] <mycoDA> shouldnt need to restart
[15:54] <nerdful_things> yeah, ac97, iec etc, looks the same as before, will try your above checks... I'm used to alsaconf in other distro.
[15:54] <mycoDA> yeah, but you need to find the one that is digital
[15:55] <mycoDA> like i said for me it is iec958
[15:55] <mycoDA> iec958:CARD=CK804,DEV=0
[15:55] <nerdful_things> hold on, just need another cuppacoffee, then I'll try
[15:55] <nerdful_things> yep, had ck804 listed...
[15:55] <mycoDA> nvidia motherboard eh
[15:56] <mycoDA> iec958 = spdif
[15:56] <mycoDA> need to set it to that in myth
[15:56] <mycoDA> but for now -  speaker-test -c 6 -D iec958 -t wav
[15:56] <mycoDA> should tell you if digital is working from alsa
[15:57] <mycoDA> make sure the amp is on digital in of course lol
[15:58] <mycoDA> if that works then go into myth in settings -> general and on the audio page hit detect, and then on the line unerneath choose iec958:CARD=CK804,DEV=0
[15:59] <mycoDA> if not well then there is plenty to check lol
[15:59] <mycoDA> http://alsa.opensrc.org/DigitalOut
[15:59] <Zinn> [alsa.opensrc.org] DigitalOut - ALSA wiki
[16:00] <nerdful_things> where do you see "detect?
[16:00] <nerdful_things> oh, wait...
[16:02] <nerdful_things> no, not in frontend/setup/audio systems  the usual dolby, dts stuff is there and checked
[16:03] <mycoDA> the top line of that is a pressbutton
[16:03] <mycoDA> under that is a line where you enter device name
[16:03] <mycoDA> change it from alsa:default
[16:04] <nerdful_things> to:
[16:05] <nerdful_things> it wants alsa:default
[16:06] <nerdful_things> oh it just popped up 804...
[16:07] <mycoDA> you want it to be the one with iec958 in it
[16:07] <mycoDA> or spdif i spose
[16:08] <nerdful_things> funny always used the default with optical before...
[16:08] <mycoDA> odd
[16:08] <mycoDA> what chipset you have?
[16:08] <nerdful_things> ac97
[16:09] <mycoDA> motherboard chipset lol
[16:09] <mycoDA> ac97 isnt a chipset at all btw
[16:09] <nerdful_things> checking controls, oh, i haven't tried your above commands
[16:09] <nerdful_things> nvidia
[16:09] <mycoDA> speaker-test -c 6 -D iec958 -t wav
[16:09] <nerdful_things> northbridge etc
[16:09] <mycoDA> that will test the connection
[16:09] <nerdful_things> amd
[16:09] <mycoDA> which one?
[16:09] <mycoDA> i have an nforce4 sli and an nforce430
[16:10] <nerdful_things> nforce something
[16:10] <mycoDA> AMD both of em
[16:10] <nerdful_things> Old Mythic Dragon box
[16:10] <nerdful_things> MSI board
[16:10] <mycoDA> original phenom?
[16:10] <mycoDA> mine is just athlon 64 x2
[16:11] <mycoDA> got a frontend with sempron64 3800+ too
[16:11] <nerdful_things> fergot, circa 2004 3.x a64
[16:11] <mycoDA> wow, so single core socket 478?
[16:11] <mycoDA> or 939?
[16:12] <nerdful_things> Was a Knoppmyt commercial sales product Knoppmyth reference system.
[16:12] <nerdful_things> 939
[16:12] <mycoDA> cool
[16:12] <mycoDA> i started on knoppmyth years back too lol
[16:12] <mycoDA> seduced by the dark side
[16:13] <nerdful_things> ick, I very reluctantly just set up a discarded vista box to get netflix etc with fraking DRM crap requirementgs
[16:13] <mycoDA> did you consider a VM?
[16:13] <nerdful_things> going too.
[16:13] <mycoDA> openbox or the like
[16:14] <mycoDA> jus xp under it?
[16:14] <nerdful_things> need a solid BE then I'll play around..
[16:14] <mycoDA> or win7 starter?
[16:14] <mycoDA> you an aussie?
[16:14] <nerdful_things> This is a Vista box, but I have w7 upgrade licenses around, but it seems to work ok so far.
[16:15] <mycoDA> ewwwwwww
[16:15] <nerdful_things> oops I'm tytping on my dragon, the vista box has MCE in it which vudu, netflix require.
[16:16] <nerdful_things> no, all my myth stuff is on the amd dragon here
[16:16] <mycoDA> yeah - w7 is much nicer, what vista should have been, bout 20% faster
[16:16] <mycoDA> where are you from?
[16:16] <nerdful_things> I dual boot everything only use w7 when absolutely needed.
[16:16] <nerdful_things> usa
[16:17] <mycoDA> why??? ditch vista for 7
[16:17] <mycoDA> aussie here
[16:17] <mycoDA> 1am lol
[16:17] <nerdful_things> My favorite distro is PCLinuxOS, but mythbuntu seems the most polished for mythtv
[16:17] <nerdful_things> go to bed, easter bunny will not come and take your teeth under pillow.
[16:17] <mycoDA> i would prolly get lynched, but i really like suse
[16:18] <mycoDA> gonna set up for fianceee - waitin for her 2 snooz
[16:18] <nerdful_things> In fact I've been helping get mythtv going on PCLinuxOS as a tester, is how I hosed my LAN
[16:19] <mycoDA> ahhh
[16:19] <mycoDA> next time remember one database per network
[16:19] <mycoDA> shouldnt impair you to make a slave backend
[16:20] <nerdful_things> I also am playing with Sara, I was about to get her going, with LinuxMCE, but am putting my trust in mythbuntu for the main BE
[16:21] <nerdful_things> Yeah, I never intended for the PCLinuxOS myth master BE to get away from me
[16:21] <mycoDA> sara?
[16:22] <nerdful_things> ok, back to sound, then I notice the video is jerky, even with vdpau enabled.. sigh, everything was just perfect 24 hours ago...
[16:22] <mycoDA> crap
[16:22] <mycoDA> what gpu?
[16:22] <mycoDA> what playback profile?
[16:22] <nerdful_things> Sara is the "host" that walks you through setting up the LinuxMCE home automation system, which has Mythtv in it also...
[16:23] <nerdful_things> linuxmce.org.
[16:23] <Zinn> [linuxmce.org] Welcome to LinuxMCE
[16:23] <nerdful_things> hehe
[16:23] <nerdful_things> zinn
[16:23] <Zinn> Hi nerdful_things, something I can help you with today?  I am a bot, use !help to see what I can do.
[16:24] <mycoDA> lookin forward to all my new stuff comin
[16:24] <mycoDA> specially the ssds
[16:24] <nerdful_things> I had to install the driver direct from nvidia, I don't even remember how I did it.
[16:24] <mycoDA> and the headphones
[16:24] <mycoDA> and the wireless n
[16:24] <mycoDA> i hope u didnt use the nvidia download on ubuntu?????
[16:25] <mycoDA> or at least not on 10.04 or later lol
[16:25] <nerdful_things> I did and it was only way to get vdau working perfectly
[16:26] <nerdful_things> speaker-test 1.0.23
[16:26] <nerdful_things> Playback device is iec958
[16:26] <nerdful_things> Stream parameters are 48000Hz, S16_LE, 6 channels
[16:26] <nerdful_things> WAV file(s)
[16:26] <nerdful_things> Channels count (6) not available for playbacks: Invalid argument
[16:26] <nerdful_things> Setting of hwparams failed: Invalid argument
[16:26] <nerdful_things> pcluser@dragon-mythbuntu:~$
[16:26] <nerdful_things> hmnn
[16:27] <mycoDA> sorry my fault
[16:27] <mycoDA> doesnt do dts
[16:27] <mycoDA> speaker-test -c 2 -D iec958 -t wav
[16:29] <nerdful_things> it thinks it is testing...
[16:29] <nerdful_things> no sound or dolby light
[16:30] <mycoDA> is the reciever on digital?
[16:30] <mycoDA> shouldnt be a dolby light
[16:30] <nerdful_things> yes, but i'll worry about sound later, more concerned video is not right.
[16:30] <mycoDA> if no sound, 1st thing to do is run alsamixer and check it is not muted and is turned op
[16:31] <mycoDA> check s/pdif isnt muted in there
[16:33] <mycoDA> well answer the qs i asked before
[16:33] <nerdful_things> ?
[16:33] <mycoDA> what gpu? what playback profile
[16:34] <nerdful_things> its a card that was not likely to work, but the driver fixed it.. geforce 8800gt i think
[16:35] <mycoDA> u didnt download a driver from nvidia did u? on ubuntu?
[16:35] <mycoDA> pretty sure ur not sposed to do that anymore
[16:35] <mycoDA> incompatibility
[16:35] <nerdful_things> yes, that is what got it working perfectly, I know it was out of repo\
[16:35] <nerdful_things> I knew that
[16:35] <mycoDA> ohhh, was the ppa, not from nvidia
[16:36] <mycoDA> phew
[16:36] <nerdful_things> wish i had clonezillad then...
[16:36] <nerdful_things> no it was direct from nvidia
[16:36] <mycoDA> prolly should find u that ppa
[16:37] <mycoDA> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/06/how-to-install-nvidia-25635-display.html
[16:37] <Zinn> [www.webupd8.org] How To Install nVidia 270.18 / 270.26 Display Drivers In Ubuntu (From A PPA Repository) ~ Web Upd8: Ubuntu / Linux blog
[16:37] <mycoDA> https://launchpad.net/~nvidia-vdpau/+archive/ppa
[16:38] <nerdful_things> looks like i should just re-instll 10.10 or sara
[16:38] <Zinn> [launchpad.net] Nvidia Vdpau Team PPA : âNvidia Vdpau Teamâ team
[16:38] <nerdful_things> I have a new 500GB drive sitting here
[16:39] <mycoDA> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates is the ppa
[16:39] <Zinn> [launchpad.net] X Updates : âUbuntu-Xâ team
[16:39] <mycoDA> that is where u can get more recent nvidia drivers for ubuntu
[16:40] <nerdful_things> i'm copying the good chat stuff from you anyway.
[16:40] <nerdful_things> thanks
[16:40] <mycoDA> there is good stuff??
[16:40] <nerdful_things> well the stuff i tryed, and will try
[16:40] <mycoDA> what kind of display? analog?
[16:41] <nerdful_things> I am waiting on a gf 9900 card anyway to arrive.
[16:41] <nerdful_things> DLP
[16:41] <mycoDA> 9900?? no such thing
[16:41] <nerdful_things> 9800 maybe
[16:41] <mycoDA> how is it connected
[16:41] <mycoDA> 9800 and 8800 are the same thing really lol
[16:41] <nerdful_things> ATM as HDMI
[16:41] <mycoDA> g92 vs g92a
[16:41] <mycoDA> hdmi should be east
[16:41] <mycoDA> *easy
[16:41] <nerdful_things> was a BFG card
[16:42] <mycoDA> got sync to opengl enabled in tv options - playback?
[16:42] <nerdful_things> One in now was just temporary, but the nvidia driver got it running ok with vdpau.
[16:42] <nerdful_things> tried sync
[16:43] <mycoDA> http://www.thedigitalmachine.net/alsaequal.html for future ref, pretty cool
[16:43] <Zinn> [www.thedigitalmachine.net] the digital machine
[16:43] <mycoDA> try that ppa
[16:43] <mycoDA> you may want to underclock that gpu btw pretty massively
[16:43] <mycoDA> i have my 9600GT at half speed
[16:44] <mycoDA> mycosys@mycomyth:~$ cat ~/.xsessionrc
[16:44] <mycoDA> #! /bin/bash
[16:44] <mycoDA> nvidia-settings -a GPUOverclockingState=1 -a [gpu:0]/GPU2DClockFreqs=300,450 -a GPU3DClockFreqs=300,450 -a [gpu:0]/GPUPowerMizerMode=1
[16:45] <mycoDA> will need to enable coolbits in /etc/X11/xorg.conf too
[16:45] <mycoDA> ohhh is compositing off in xorg.conf?
[16:45] <mycoDA> that is a big cause o flicker iirc
[16:48] <mycoDA> http://pastebin.com/x1CrTK5G is my xorg.conf nerdful_things
[16:48] <Zinn> [pastebin.com] xorg.conf - Pastebin.com
[16:49] <mycoDA> Section "Extensions"
[16:49] <mycoDA>         Option "Composite" "Disable"
[16:49] <mycoDA> EndSection
[16:49] <mycoDA> is the critical bit
[16:50] <nerdful_things> just a sec
[16:51] <mycoDA> Option         "ConnectToAcpid" "false"
[16:52] <mycoDA> is another - tells it not to use powermiser so it stays at one clock freq
[16:52] <mycoDA> changing clock freq can be a cause of flicker
[17:06] <nerdful_things> http://pastebin.com/pYEAN64g
[17:06] <Zinn> [pastebin.com] # nvidia-xconfig: X configuration file generated by nvidia-xconfig # nvidia-xco - Pastebin.com
[17:11] <nerdful_things> OK, I had sound, then lost it, but will get it back.. I also have good video, i set vdpau to slim and it is fine.
[17:11] <nerdful_things> but I will probably keep getting yelled at during updates for not having a repo approved nvidia driver installed.
[17:12] <nerdful_things> I think I accidentally had it set to slim without vdpau.
[17:12] <nerdful_things> But I was working on sound, so wasn't checking...
[17:15] <nerdful_things_> Ok, thanks mycoDA , I'm going to run it for awhile and clonezilla or ghost or dd it. then I'll play with using the approved nvidia stuff.
[17:16] <mycoDA> you shouldnt need slim - you have plenty of kick for the best one
[17:16] <nerdful_things_> well, that seemd to glitch before..
[17:16] <mycoDA> welcome mate
[17:16] <mycoDA> odd - you shouldnt have an issue with advanced2x deinterlacing
[17:16] <nerdful_things_> I need to reflow my 9xxx card then try it later
[17:17] <mycoDA> make sure you use that composite off setting
[17:17] <mycoDA> may be the cause of that issue
[17:17] <nerdful_things_> Hmnn maybe i'll look now...
[17:17] <mycoDA> also the connect to acpid thing
[17:18] <mycoDA> prevent it going into powersave - you can downclock it later to a stable clock that saves power
[17:18] <nerdful_things_> Is that in the normal gui settings or do i have to edit some conf files?
[17:18] <mycoDA> xorg .conf
[17:18] <mycoDA> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[17:18] <nerdful_things_> ok
[17:20] <mycoDA> will need to restart x
[17:20] <mycoDA> sudo service gdm restart
[17:22] <nerdful_things_> strange
[17:23] <mycoDA> ?
[17:23] <nerdful_things_> my machine just locked up
[17:23] <nerdful_things_> i'm on the laptop
[17:23] <mycoDA> strange indeed
[17:23] <nerdful_things_> iwasn't playing mythfrontend or anything...
[17:23] <nerdful_things_> i noticed i had quit, while here on laptop
[17:24] <nerdful_things_> guess i'll ssh in and reboot it
[17:24] <mycoDA> dont reboot
[17:24] <mycoDA> if u can ssh in just restart x
[17:24] <nerdful_things_> it is frozen, ok, now what?
[17:24] <mycoDA> sudo service gdm restart
[17:24] <nerdful_things_> ok
[17:25] <mycoDA> if that doesnt work, find gdm in ur process list and kill -9 it
[17:25] <nerdful_things_> ohoh no route to host
[17:25] <mycoDA> wow
[17:25] <mycoDA> that doesnt happen often
[17:26] <nerdful_things_> whole machine is frozen, alt tab even KB numlock on/off doesn't change.
[17:28] <mycoDA> power surge, or overheat
[17:29] <mycoDA> or any number of other things
[17:29] <mycoDA> had an issue with a gpu fan that would do that
[17:29] <nerdful_things_> never had hdwr prob.
[17:29] <nerdful_things_> huge fans in ps cpu
[17:29] <mycoDA> lol lucky you
[17:30] <mycoDA> this is even an aftermarket cooler zalman vf700alcu
[17:30] <nerdful_things_> manual cpu fan adj at min always enough
[17:30] <mycoDA> may not be on a hot day or in a hot case
[17:30] <nerdful_things_> HTPC case
[17:31] <mycoDA> and?
[17:31] <mycoDA> that is like saying metal case
[17:32] <nerdful_things_> true
[17:32] <mycoDA> most htpc cases are designed for noise rather than airflow
[17:32] <nerdful_things_> it's a nice silverstone case
[17:33] <nerdful_things_> temps are fine, huge cpu cooler, 5" psu fan etc.
[17:33] <nerdful_things_> large slow fans
[17:33] <nerdful_things_> high airflow, but quiet
[17:35] <mycoDA> fair one
[17:35] <nerdful_things> Anyway, I'm going to offload any stuff here and clonezilla it to 2nd drive
[17:36] <mycoDA> fair one
[17:36] <nerdful_things> video is fine for now with vdpau slim on.
[17:36] <nerdful_things> Wife has tin eyes anyway
[17:37] <nerdful_things> Rare to find female vid/audiophile
[17:37] <mycoserve> rofl like lead ears eh
[17:37] <mycoserve> cant say i disagree there
[17:37] <mycoserve> no idea why
[17:37] <nerdful_things> but she gets upset if i put catsup on potatos...
[17:38] <mycoserve> srs??????
[17:38] <mycoserve> i would get upset if u did that to my stirfrys or spaghetti or something, but go nuts on meat an 3 veg
[17:40] <nerdful_things> Hey while here, what's a good file manager for 'buntu? I would like something that would mount at will by uuid or lable etc.
[17:40] <mycoserve> no idea tbh
[17:40] <mycoserve> thunar is the standard one
[17:40] <mycoserve> hal should do automounting
[17:42] <mycoDA> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU#Disabling_the_Composite_Extension is the composite thing i was talkin about - is well known u need it to get rid of judder
[17:42] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] VDPAU - MythTV Official Wiki
[17:43] <nerdful_things> ok, thanks mycoDA
[17:43] <mycoDA> np m8
[17:46] <nerdful_things> I always have problems knowintg what spare drives and partitions I have in box, without doing fstab stuff etc.
[18:28] <mycoDA> gparted?
[18:28] <mycoDA> ls /dev/drive/by-uuid ?
[19:27] <DanC> I've got a bunch of shows recorded with mythtv, and now I'd like to get mythexport to convert them to iTunes-happy RSS+mp4.
[19:27] <DanC> the web configuration ui for mythexport is running, but I can't seem to get any conversion processes going
[19:31] <nerdful_things_> just the stuff i'd like to know too, so i'll be lurking...
[19:33] <DanC> ah... progress: in Watch Recordings, navigate to a show, press M...
[19:34] <DanC> choose job options, and start ipod-hires-convert (which is the name I chose in the web interface)
[19:35] <DanC> CPU is now crunching away
[19:35] <DanC> fwiw:
[19:35] <DanC>   Version table:
[19:35] <DanC>  *** 2.2.3-0ubuntu1~ppa3 0
[19:35] <DanC>         500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/testing/ubuntu/ lucid/main Packages
[19:36] <Zinn> [ppa.launchpad.net] Index of /mythbuntu/testing/ubuntu
[19:37] <DanC> my goal is actually to watch on a big screen, not a portable device, so I'll want higher resolution.
[19:37] <DanC> (I expect other family members will find iTunes much more usable than mythfrontend)
[19:38] <DanC> meanwhile, I think I'll try mythfrontend since I moved some things around...
[19:52] <mycoDA> wagnerrp made a nifty tanscode wrapper and exporter to mythvideo if you look on the mythtv wiki
[19:52] <mycoDA> as for mythtxport - you should be able to set upi resolutions etc and then set them to run on each showing of a show if you like
[19:52] <mycoDA> danc
[20:23] <miststlkr> for the life of me I can't seem to get the lis drivers working for lcdproc.  I have tried a few walkthroughs which have you compile them from scratch and still no luck.
[20:24] <miststlkr> I don't suppose, by any slim chance, that someone in here has actually run into the issue personally?
[20:35] <DanC> yes, mycoDA, I know I should be able to set up resolutions, but choosing ffmpeg command line settings seems to involve several hours of study in video formats/codecs/etc.
[20:36] <DanC> and it takes hours to see whether you got it right
[21:21] <DanC> wow... ffmpeg has been running for >80min. The show is only about 48min. Is this normal?
[21:23] <DanC> " it is an extremely slow and CPU-intensive encoder. Expect the encode to take 5x longer than mpeg4 or xvid. " -- https://help.ubuntu.com/community/iPodVideoEncoding
[21:23] <Zinn> [help.ubuntu.com] iPodVideoEncoding - Community Ubuntu Documentation
[22:02] <Jupp> newb question here, I'm trying to play mkv files, but mythtv doesn't seem to see them. what's the default location for them?


[14:52] <waldo323> i'm looking for software(open source preferred ) recommendations for external vulnerability scanning, does anyone have some recommendations? we've been using openvas but it has been difficult to maintain
[14:54] <cmaloney> Might want to ask on Mastodon as well. I follow some security folks there
[14:54] <cmaloney> I'll boost
[15:07] <waldo323> thanks
[16:02] <jrwren> like pentesting?
[16:07] <jrwren> SANS504 still teaches Nessus. It has kinda been the standard for many many years AFAIK
[16:13] <jrwren> there is also w3af.org
[16:13] <jrwren> and inguma - inguma.sourceforge.net
[18:01] <Scary_Guy> Go into 4chan's /g/ and antagonize the nerds there with an IP as the username.


[14:03] <bdrung> !dmb-ping
[14:03] <bdrung> reminder: meeting in one hour
[14:03] <Laney> hahaha
[14:03] <Laney> thanks ♥
[14:04] <tumbleweed> we haven't fixed our calendar yet?
[14:13] <Laney> looks right to me
[14:18] <tumbleweed> it says we're having one now
[14:18] <tumbleweed> oh, no that's the one in my calendar
[14:18] <tumbleweed> grr
[14:18]  * tumbleweed re-copies to my calendar
[14:59] <bdrung> !dmb-ping
[15:00] <mfisch> morning
[15:01] <Laney> O HAI
[15:01] <Laney> #startmeeting
[15:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Jun  3 15:01:16 2013 UTC.  The chair is Laney. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:01]  * stgraber waves
[15:01] <tumbleweed> o/
[15:01] <mitya57> evening
[15:02] <mfisch> morning
[15:02] <mitya57> :)
[15:02]  * Laney waits for one more dmber to come out of the woodwork
[15:02] <Laney> oh, I guess bdrung already did
[15:02] <Laney> ok
[15:02] <Laney> someone remind me if the previous action items is current please
[15:03]  * barry waves
[15:03] <bdrung> o/
[15:03] <bdrung> we are quorate
[15:03] <Laney> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda
[15:04] <Laney> ok, since nobody wants to tell me :P
[15:04] <Laney> #topic Review of previous action items
[15:04] <bdrung> Laney: yes, i did write a short summary. so this action item is done.
[15:04] <Laney> #subtopic bdrung to write up a short summary of sweetshark's recent sponsorship
[15:04] <Laney> ^
[15:04] <Laney> #subtopic barry to conduct sweetshark ppu vote on ubuntu-dmb list
[15:04] <Laney> done also
[15:04] <Laney> barry: did you send feedback on the outcome?
[15:05] <barry> Laney: i did not, but i will do that
[15:05] <Laney> merci
[15:05] <Laney> #action barry to send outcome of sweetshark ppu vote
[15:05] <meetingology> ACTION: barry to send outcome of sweetshark ppu vote
[15:05] <Laney> #subtopic all: review separation of ppu from membership
[15:06] <Laney> You probably saw that I sent this to the list and put it on http://pad.ubuntu.com/dmb-ppu-membership-proposal
[15:06] <stgraber> I saw it, I even think I read it, but I don't remember it and forgot to comment, so I guess I'll have to go through it again... sorry
[15:06] <Laney> please make some time to consider it and the questions I posed there
[15:06] <Laney> I'd like to get it voted on at the next meeting
[15:07] <Laney> the main thing is that I find the discinction between PPU with and without membership and packagesets to be confusing
[15:07] <Laney> so I'd appreciate everyone thinking about how that should look
[15:08] <Laney> #action everyone read and amend http://pad.ubuntu.com/dmb-ppu-membership-proposal, and sign up for the implementation tasks
[15:08] <meetingology> ACTION: everyone read and amend http://pad.ubuntu.com/dmb-ppu-membership-proposal, and sign up for the implementation tasks
[15:08] <Laney> #topic Adjusting dynamic PPU to make being a DD and an Ubuntu Developer of any kind the prerequisite, instead of PPU.
[15:08]  * Laney finds the mail
[15:08] <barry> Laney: i vaguely recall responding to that particular issue ;)
[15:08] <Laney> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2013-May/000483.html
[15:09] <Laney> barry: you did!
[15:10] <Laney> so this is an issue that the DD-PPU thing we approved a while back is maybe too restrictive
[15:10] <Laney> it says that people have to be PPU already, but it seems eminently sensible to me that it should just be updated to say that you must be an Ubuntu Developer of any kind
[15:10] <Laney> yes?
[15:10] <tumbleweed> +1
[15:11] <micahg-work> +1
[15:11] <bdrung> +1
[15:11] <barry> +1
[15:11] <stgraber> I believe we already abused that part of the process in the past, can't remember the specific case, but I do remember us granting extra upload rights to a non-PPU member who was in ubuntu-dev for other reasons
[15:11] <stgraber> so yeah, +1
[15:11] <micahg-work> there are already safeguards in the document about expanding permissions, so I think we're good in that regard
[15:11] <Laney> ok
[15:11] <micahg-work> hrm
[15:11] <micahg-work> Uploading Ubuntu Developer
[15:11] <Laney> #action laney to update DD-PPU process to say that any ubuntu-dev is eligible
[15:11] <meetingology> ACTION: laney to update DD-PPU process to say that any ubuntu-dev is eligible
[15:12] <micahg-work> we can still special case non-uploading if we'd want, but I'd rather have the doc say uploading
[15:12] <micahg-work> or something to that extent
[15:12] <Laney> I'll let you know when I've changed it so you can review
[15:13] <Laney> let's do some applications
[15:13]  * Laney checks who was first
[15:13] <Laney> ok, that's ...
[15:13] <bdrung> Laney: could the dynamic-ppu-procedure moved to a wiki page (to be more prominent)?
[15:13] <Laney> bdrung: it is already
[15:14] <Laney> that's just the "law", but the end-user part is on ApplicationProcess iirc
[15:14] <bdrung> Laney: where?
[15:14] <Laney> moving on
[15:14] <Laney> #topic MOTU Application - Matt Fischer
[15:14]  * mfisch waves
[15:14] <Laney> hi mfisch!
[15:14] <Laney> care to give us a quick introduction?
[15:14] <mfisch> Sure
[15:15] <mfisch> My name is Matt Fischer, I've been working on Ubuntu now for about 18 months in my free time
[15:15] <mfisch> My day job is at Canonical, where we work on contracted work for Ubuntu
[15:15] <mfisch> like Ubuntu for Android
[15:15] <mfisch> but most of my contribs are in my free time
[15:16] <mfisch> I mainly work on desktop packages
[15:16] <mfisch> since I'm most familiar with them
[15:16] <mfisch> I didn't review what other intros were, so I'm out of stuff to say, but I can answer questions ;)
[15:17] <Laney> seems fine :P
[15:18] <Laney> how comfortable would you say you are with ubuntu development (packaging and process) at this point?
[15:18] <Laney> and/or do you know how & where to get help if you need it?
[15:18] <mfisch> I'm very comfortable with packaging, that is what I do lots of in my free time and my work time. I am also comfortable with process
[15:19] <mfisch> I usually work with a mentor (Robert Ancell) or get help from #ubuntu-desktop on desktop stuff
[15:19] <mfisch> more general stuff, I go to #ubuntu-motu
[15:20] <mfisch> As for updates and syncs, I'm familiar with the old way (debdiff), the UDD way, and the Ubuntu Desktop way
[15:20] <Laney> so as you said, you like to work on desktop stuff - will you be applying to join the ubuntu desktop team any time soon? :-)
[15:20] <Laney> MOTU doesn't let you upload a lot of that stuff so you might still need quite a bit of sponsorship
[15:20] <mfisch> Laney: yes, I will be applying
[15:20] <mfisch> I've spoken to seb about it
[15:21] <mfisch> my work tends to be bursty, as I have kids and time is scarce some evenings, but I
[15:21] <micahg-work> mfisch, do you have an interest in general universe packages, I see you're mostly doing desktop + gnome
[15:21] <Laney> yeah I see on http://ubuntu-dev.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu-sponsorships.cgi?render=html&sponsor=*&sponsor_search=name&sponsoree=Matthew+Fischer&sponsoree_search=name  that he's sponsored you a bit
[15:21] <mfisch> sorry, I'm trying to work on more desktop stuffd
[15:21]  * Laney hands the floor over
[15:22] <mfisch> micahg-work: yes, but desktop has been a focus because its been easy for me to work with people there
[15:22] <mfisch> I have a new universe package and one more on the way from debian
[15:22] <mfisch> (dateutils)
[15:22] <mfisch> and ubuntu-accomps and friends are universe I think
[15:23] <barry> mfisch: just to follow that thread a bit, do you think motu will actually be useful for you right now, assuming you do join the desktop team?  i mean, would desktop + ppu on a handful of additional packages be enough?
[15:24] <mfisch> barry: thinking, one sec
[15:25] <mfisch> barry: Its true that I've not done many MOTU updates recently, but I still think it would be useful to me. However, my ultimate goal is probably Ubuntu desktop
[15:25] <mfisch> I saw MOTU as part of the path to that
[15:25] <barry> mfisch: i don't mean to be discouraging in any way, i'm just trying to tease out what your goals are
[15:25] <mfisch> barry: Eventually I'd like both. My plan was to apply for desktop in a couple months
[15:26] <mfisch> barry: Is experience in desktop packages not applicable for motu?
[15:26] <Laney> we certainly want people who want to help out with universe
[15:27] <barry> mfisch: oh, i do think it is definitely.  i'm just curious mostly as to why you chose the path you did (emphatically *not* implying you did anything wrong or out of order)
[15:28] <mfisch> Ideally these rights can help me at my day job, but mainly I enjoy contributing
[15:28] <barry> mfisch: thanks.  i yield the floor to bdrung
[15:30] <bdrung> mfisch: do you collaborate with Debian developers?
[15:30] <mfisch> bdrung: yes, I've been working with a mentor there to do some new packaging
[15:30] <mfisch> bdrung: I could certainly do more
[15:32] <Laney> the gnome team is cool ;-)
[15:32] <Laney> (if you like svn)
[15:32] <Laney> (hahaha)
[15:32] <tumbleweed> if you like svn, join the python teams too :P
[15:32] <bdrung> mfisch: it's good to see new packages come through Debian.  do you plan do join the Debian gnome team?
[15:33] <bdrung> besides svn, it's a pleasure to work with them. :)
[15:33] <barry> tumbleweed: well, maybe s/like/tolerate/ :)
[15:33] <mfisch> bdrung: to be honest I've not thought about it. I probably should
[15:33] <mfisch> I've used svn before, it's not that bad ;)
[15:33] <Laney> especially now that we're more synced on GNOME versions there are more opportunities to collaborate with them
[15:33] <mfisch> coming from Clearcase it was refreshing
[15:34] <mfisch> being synced is a big win
[15:34] <bdrung> it reduces maintenance overhead when the package can be kept in sync.
[15:34] <mfisch> yes, and makes our lives easier
[15:35]  * bdrung yield the floor for stgraber.
[15:35] <mfisch> and the users lives really
[15:35] <stgraber> mfisch: One quick (possibly tricky) question for you. So, let's say we are on the 16th of July and you wish to upload a new version of seahorse. Should you just go ahead and do it or is there a reason why you should refrain?
[15:35] <bdrung> mfisch: i encourage you to get more involved in Debian (and to try to reduce diffs)! :)
[15:36] <mfisch> stgraber: hmm, I'd check the release schedule first
[15:37] <mfisch> looks like a2 is on July 18 (I dont have the schedule memorized), so maybe wait until July 19?
[15:37] <mfisch> or not at all, depending on the changes
[15:37] <mfisch> or better yet, discuss it in #ubuntu-desktop
[15:38] <mfisch> bdrung: I think thats a good idea
[15:38] <stgraber> mfisch: right, July 16th is during alpha2. Now, how would you know whether the package will impact anything that's part of that milestone?
[15:40] <mfisch> stgraber: I'm not sure if I fully understand your question, but I know what seahorse does and how it's used and can gauge the impact of a change from that
[15:41] <mfisch> you can gauge some impact by looking at dependencies if thats what you are asking
[15:41] <stgraber> mfisch: so those early milestones are opt-in, which means that depending on who participates in it, you may be clear to upload.
[15:41] <stgraber> mfisch: I was wondering how you'd check who's participating in the milestone and how to check whether the package is on their image
[15:43] <mfisch> stgraber: I don't know a good way to check that actually
[15:43] <mfisch> an easy way I mean
[15:43] <stgraber> ok. The tool is seeded-in-ubuntu
[15:43] <stgraber> seahorse (from seahorse) is seeded in:
[15:43] <stgraber>   edubuntu: dvd
[15:43] <stgraber>   ubuntu-gnome: daily-live
[15:43] <stgraber>   ubuntu: daily-live, daily-preinstalled
[15:43] <stgraber>   ubuntukylin: daily-live
[15:43] <stgraber> the above output shows you that you'd be fine to upload if none of those flavours take part in the milestone
[15:44] <stgraber> otherwise, you should get in touch with the appropriate flavour leads or just through #ubuntu-release
[15:44] <mfisch> yeah
[15:44] <mfisch> I was just looking at that
[15:44] <mfisch> seeded-in-ubuntu seahorse
[15:44] <mfisch> I figured ubuntu-dev-tools would have a useful solution
[15:45] <stgraber> note that we now tend to add britney (proposed-migration) blocks to prevent most packages from moving from -proposed to -release, so it's likely that the upload wouldn't affect anything, however it's always better to just wait before uploading :)
[15:45] <stgraber> Laney: I'm done
[15:45] <Laney> merci!
[15:45] <Laney> #vote should mfisch join ~motu?
[15:45] <meetingology> Please vote on: should mfisch join ~motu?
[15:45] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[15:46] <Laney> +1
[15:46] <meetingology> +1 received from Laney
[15:46] <stgraber> +1
[15:46] <meetingology> +1 received from stgraber
[15:46] <barry> +1
[15:46] <meetingology> +1 received from barry
[15:46] <bdrung> +1
[15:46] <meetingology> +1 received from bdrung
[15:46] <Laney> tumbleweed: ?
[15:47] <tumbleweed> +1 [ I'd really have prefered to see more endorsements but I have a fair confidence in mfisch from IRC interaction ]
[15:47] <meetingology> +1 [ I'd really have prefered to see more endorsements but I have a fair confidence in mfisch from IRC interaction ] received from tumbleweed
[15:49] <micahg-work> +1 [very impressed with no FTBFS on uploads, would have liked more endorsements as well]
[15:49] <meetingology> +1 [very impressed with no FTBFS on uploads, would have liked more endorsements as well] received from micahg-work
[15:49] <Laney> #endvote
[15:49] <meetingology> Voting ended on: should mfisch join ~motu?
[15:49] <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[15:49] <meetingology> Motion carried
[15:49] <Laney> mfisch: congrats, welcome to MOTU :-)
[15:49] <mfisch> thanks, next time I'll get more endorsements!
[15:49] <Laney> look forward to seeing you on #-motu
[15:49] <stgraber> mfisch: congrats!
[15:49] <Laney> for desktop you don't have to come back to us anyway :P
[15:49] <Laney> moving on
[15:49] <mfisch> hah, true
[15:50] <Laney> #topic MOTU application - Dmitry Shachnev
[15:50] <mitya57> o/
[15:50] <Laney> mitya57: it's a you
[15:50] <Laney> can you give us a quick introduction?
[15:50] <mitya57> All of you should already know me (and, in fact, have sponsored something for me :P)
[15:50] <mitya57> So I'll start with what I achieved recently (i.e. in spring)
[15:50] <Laney> for the historical record, if nothing else :-)
[15:51] <mitya57> Well, one line ftr: I'm student of Moscow University, upstream for some python apps like ReText and interested in various random packages in Debuntu
[15:52] <mitya57> (continuing copy-pasting now)
[15:52] <mitya57> In this spring I did:
[15:52] <mitya57> - lots of python packages updates (docutils/sphinx, nose, pyxdg)
[15:52] <mitya57> - helped with preparing qt5 (mostly qtbase and qttranslations)
[15:52] <mitya57> - broke qt4 and fixed it
[15:52] <mitya57> - new mathjax 2.2 and woff-tools
[15:53] <mitya57> - ubuntu-packaging-guide updates
[15:53] <mitya57> - helped with (breaking the archive by) uploading the new poppler
[15:53] <mitya57> My short-term plans include:
[15:53] <mitya57> - major python-keyring update, with switching to secretstorage for secret-service backend and pygi for gnomekeyring backend
[15:53] <mitya57> - fixing the broken texlive in precise
[15:53] <mitya57> - finishing pyqt5 packaging
[15:53] <mitya57> - maybe some qt merges
[15:53] <mitya57> ^D
[15:53] <stgraber> thanks for the introduction
[15:54] <stgraber> I'll start with a quick question because I've got to leave for another meeting in 5min, will keep reading this one though so should be able to vote (but not interact much)
[15:54] <stgraber> So similar question to that I asked mfisch earlier on. Let's say we are on the 16th of July and you wish to upload a new version of vlc. Should you just go ahead and do it or is there a reason why you should refrain?
[15:55]  * mitya57 checks the schedule
[15:55]  * mitya57 checks seeded-in-ubuntu vlc
[15:56] <mitya57> it's mythbuntu only, so if the RT sets proper britney hints, I'll go ahead
[15:56] <tumbleweed> somebody's been paying attention...
[15:56] <stgraber> mitya57: haha, you went right into the trap ;)
[15:57] <mitya57> (well, I am not interested in vlc, but if I were I would start by talking with bdrung)
[15:57] <stgraber> mitya57: it's correct that it's only seeded by mythbuntu, however do you know how often mythbuntu is actually released?
[15:58] <mitya57> I think one can't predict which flavors will participate in which milestone
[15:58] <stgraber> you can for mythbuntu ;)
[15:58] <mitya57> bad /me
[15:58] <mitya57> I now remember that it has only LTS releases...
[15:58] <stgraber> correct :)
[15:59] <stgraber> so a package seeded only by mythbuntu is always fine to upload during a non-LTS cycle
[16:00] <mitya57> yeah
[16:00] <Laney> anyone else?
[16:01] <micahg-work> o/
[16:01] <Laney> go
[16:02] <micahg-work> mitya57, so, you mention that there are issues with collaboration with upstreams, do you have any proposals on what MOTU could do to improve on this?
[16:02] <mitya57> that was mostly related to gnome, which is for desktop team, not for motu...
[16:03] <mitya57> but Ubuntu GNOME devs (jbicha & darkxst) have been doing nice work with collaborating recently
[16:04] <mitya57> Myself I'm planning to contribute to https://live.gnome.org/GnomeFlashback packaging
[16:05] <mitya57> (some bits already done like recent metacity upload with my patch)
[16:05] <Laney> I imagine the GNOME situation will calm itself down as Ubuntu moves on more
[16:05] <mitya57> let's hope
[16:06] <mitya57> But I think our recent decision to ship 3.6 in R and 3.8 in S was a step back
[16:07] <Laney> in terms of finding bugs early?
[16:07] <mitya57> In terms of collaborating, and finding bugs too
[16:08] <Laney> ah, well as I mentioned earlier it does mean that we can collaborate with the Debian GNOME team more
[16:08] <Laney> so that's an upside from my pov
[16:08] <mitya57> that's a definite upside, yes
[16:09] <micahg-work> mitya57, are you involved with Ubuntu GNOME?
[16:09] <mitya57> micahg-work: not so much
[16:10] <mitya57> (but I use GNOME, not Unity)
[16:10] <mitya57> and sometimes fix bugs when I find them
[16:11] <linuxCool> x
[16:11] <linuxCool> hello to all
[16:11] <linuxCool> when will be start     Ubuntu Security?
[16:12] <micahg-work> linuxCool, 20 minutes (we're still in the DMB meeting)
[16:12] <Laney> anyone else?
[16:13] <demonoid_me> aaa ok sorry :)
[16:13] <bdrung> mitya57: are you involved in the Debian GNOME team?
[16:13]  * Laney takes that as a no
[16:13] <Laney> blast
[16:14] <mitya57> bdrung: already asked by micahg-work (in short: no)
[16:14] <bdrung> he asked for the Ubuntu team.
[16:14] <bdrung> i recommend to get more involved in the GNOME teams, as you already collaborate nicely with Debian.
[16:14] <mitya57> bdrung: also no more than sending some patches
[16:15] <mitya57> In Debian, I'm member of two python teams, javascript team and fonts team
[16:16] <Laney> thanks
[16:16] <Laney> & now we will vote!
[16:16] <Laney> #vote should mitya57 join ~motu?
[16:16] <meetingology> Please vote on: should mitya57 join ~motu?
[16:16] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[16:16] <Laney> +1 yay
[16:16] <meetingology> +1 yay received from Laney
[16:16] <barry> +1 happily
[16:16] <meetingology> +1 happily received from barry
[16:16] <bdrung> +1
[16:16] <meetingology> +1 received from bdrung
[16:16] <stgraber> +1
[16:16] <meetingology> +1 received from stgraber
[16:16] <micahg-work> +1
[16:16] <meetingology> +1 received from micahg-work
[16:16] <tumbleweed> +1
[16:16] <meetingology> +1 received from tumbleweed
[16:17] <Laney> #endvote
[16:17] <meetingology> Voting ended on: should mitya57 join ~motu?
[16:17] <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[16:17] <meetingology> Motion carried
[16:17] <Laney> congrats!
[16:17] <mitya57> Thanks! \o/
[16:17] <Laney> #action laney to add mfisch and mitya57 to motu
[16:17] <dholbach> congratulations mitya57!
[16:17] <meetingology> ACTION: laney to add mfisch and mitya57 to motu
[16:17] <Laney> #topic AOB
[16:17] <mitya57> hi dholbach, and thank you!
[16:17] <Laney> can someone reply to Daniel Pocock on devel-permissions please?
[16:18] <bdrung> mitya57: congrats. one question: do you want to join the ubuntu sponsors team?
[16:18] <mitya57> bdrung: yes, I want :)
[16:18] <bdrung> nice :)
[16:19] <Laney> aaaaaanyone?
[16:19] <bdrung> Laney: i can do that if no-one else will want it
[16:20] <Laney> doesn't seem like anyone is scrambling
[16:20] <Laney> thanks
[16:20] <Laney> #action bdrung to reply to Daniel Pocock on devel-permissions
[16:20] <meetingology> ACTION: bdrung to reply to Daniel Pocock on devel-permissions
[16:20] <Laney> be nice :P
[16:20] <bdrung> i will point to my language barrier if i am not :p
[16:20] <Laney> wiki says next chair is ScottK
[16:21] <Laney> anything else?
[16:21]  * barry must have missed daniel's message :/
[16:21] <tumbleweed> hrm, daniel has 0 uploads in Ubuntu
[16:21] <tumbleweed> that makes the reply fairly easy
[16:21] <Laney> right
[16:21] <bdrung> barry: sent today a few hours ago
[16:21] <Laney> but if all of his stuff is in sync and in great condition, ...
[16:21] <Laney> anyway
[16:21] <Laney> #endmeeting
[16:21] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Jun  3 16:21:51 2013 UTC.
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[16:21] <tumbleweed> Laney: then he doesn't need upload rights :P
[16:22] <barry> Laney: thanks!
[16:32] <mdeslaur> \o
[16:32] <sarnold> o/
[16:32] <tyhicks> hello
[16:32]  * sbeattie waves
[16:32] <jjohansen> \o
[16:33] <mdeslaur> #startmeeting
[16:33] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Jun  3 16:33:08 2013 UTC.  The chair is mdeslaur. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:33] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: wake up
[16:33] <chrisccoulson> hi :)
[16:33] <mdeslaur> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[16:33] <mdeslaur> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[16:33] <mdeslaur> [TOPIC] Announcements
[16:33] <mdeslaur> Thanks to Christian Kuersteiner (ckuerste) who provided debdiffs for precise-raring for xmp (LP: #1182769)
[16:33] <mdeslaur> Thanks to Christian Kuersteiner (ckuerste) who provided debdiffs for quantal for tomcat6 (LP: #1166649)
[16:33] <mdeslaur> Thanks to Thomas Ward (teward) who provided debdiffs for precise-raring for nginx (LP: #1182586)
[16:33] <mdeslaur> Thanks to Rohan Garg (rohangarg) who provided debdiffs for precise-raring for kde4libs (LP: #1178286)
[16:33] <mdeslaur> Your work is very much appreciated and will keep Ubuntu users secure. Great job! :)
[16:33]  * mdeslaur slaps ubotty
[16:34] <mdeslaur> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:34] <mdeslaur> I'll go first
[16:34] <mdeslaur> I'll be testing the zillion X updates this week
[16:34] <mdeslaur> and that's about it
[16:34] <mdeslaur> I'm on community too
[16:34] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: you're up
[16:34] <sbeattie> I'm focusing on apparmor stuff again this week
[16:35] <sbeattie> Specifically https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/security-s-appisolation-sdk
[16:35] <sbeattie> I'm currently hacking on the aa-easyprof bits
[16:35] <sbeattie> that's pretty much it for me.
[16:35] <sbeattie> tyhicks: you're up
[16:35] <tyhicks> I'm working on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/security-s-appisolation-dbus
[16:36] <tyhicks> This week, I plan on having all of the work items done except for the items related to pushing everything to the archive
[16:36] <tyhicks> There's also some minor cleanup and finishing touch type stuff that I'll end up doing to the dbus and apparmor patches
[16:36] <tyhicks> That's it for me
[16:36] <tyhicks> jjohansen: you're up
[16:37] <jjohansen> I'm focused on apparmor stuff as well
[16:38] <jjohansen> I'm still poking around for the correct bp so I'll just skip pasting that and say, its the continuation of the ipc work
[16:38] <mdeslaur> jjohansen: I have "signals and bits for IPC" and "extended conditionals" in last weeks meeting log
[16:38] <mdeslaur> jjohansen: is it a continuation of that?
[16:39] <jjohansen> mdeslaur: yep
[16:39] <mdeslaur> cool
[16:40] <jjohansen> that and I'll get the latest patchset out for more review
[16:40] <jjohansen> sarnold: your up
[16:40] <sarnold> I'm on triage on this week
[16:40] <sarnold> I'll also be poking at trying to unbreak the boucycastle test suite, or steal portions of it, for QRT
[16:41] <mdeslaur> sarnold: what's the status of your openssl updates?
[16:41] <sarnold> I'm not sure why I've been met with such failure trying to use the test suite, but I presume it's partly my fault for not 100% grokking modern java
[16:42] <sarnold> mdeslaur: at least saucy will need re-doing, I think there's a new version pushed into the archive in the meantime; I also need to ask your help in preparing updates for security-proposed or something to get testers first..
[16:42] <sarnold> .. at least, I think I'd really rather have feedback from users before pushing it to everyone
[16:42] <sarnold> granted, fedora's been using it for a few months, but perhaps their knowledge of hwat broke isn't logged in their bug report. :)
[16:42] <mdeslaur> sarnold: is it in the PPA yet?
[16:42] <sarnold> mdeslaur: no
[16:43] <mdeslaur> sarnold: ok, please create a tracking bug, and make sure the bug # is in the changelog before uploading
[16:43] <sarnold> mdeslaur: okay
[16:43] <mdeslaur> sarnold: so people know where to go if there's an issue in -proposed
[16:43] <sarnold> mdeslaur: do I then just upload to the usual ppa once that's done?
[16:44] <mdeslaur> sarnold: yes, as -security, and then we'll get an AA to pocket-copy it to -proposed
[16:44] <mdeslaur> (perhaps I can already do that, need to check)
[16:44] <sarnold> mdeslaur: cool, thanks :)
[16:44] <mdeslaur> sarnold: you done?
[16:45] <sarnold> mdeslaur: how much time do you think I should spend on trying to revive the bouncy castle tests before writing a handful of much less comprehensive tests myself?
[16:45] <mdeslaur> sarnold: half a day?
[16:45]  * mdeslaur shrugs
[16:45] <sarnold> mdeslaur: cool, thanks. now done :)
[16:45] <sarnold> chrisccoulson: you're up :)
[16:46] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: dude, wake up
[16:46] <sbeattie> mdeslaur: he's gotta finish his beer first.
[16:47] <mdeslaur> ok, I'll mark down "web-y browser thingies"
[16:48] <mdeslaur> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[16:48] <mdeslaur> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[16:48] <mdeslaur> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[16:48] <mdeslaur> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/bip.html
[16:48] <mdeslaur> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/openswan.html
[16:48] <mdeslaur> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/exif.html
[16:48] <mdeslaur> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/ibm-3270.html
[16:48] <mdeslaur> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/php-mail.html
[16:48] <chrisccoulson> oops, sorry, was just finishing up dinner ;)
[16:48] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: hrm, sorry about the meeting being so late for you
[16:48] <chrisccoulson> that's ok
[16:49] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: maybe we should get you to go first next time
[16:49] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: what are you working on this week?
[16:50] <chrisccoulson> this week, i'm still working on client-1303-webkit-maintenance. i've been fleshing out architecture diagrams for the last few days. hopefully they'll be in a good enough state for me to make public on google docs this week
[16:50] <mdeslaur> cool
[16:50] <chrisccoulson> and then we'll have a good idea of what work needs to happen :)
[16:51] <mdeslaur> awesome
[16:51] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: done?
[16:52] <chrisccoulson> mdeslaur, yeah. there aren't any updates planned this week :)
[16:52] <mdeslaur> oh, good
[16:52] <mdeslaur> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[16:52] <mdeslaur> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[16:53] <mdeslaur> Thanks everyone!
[16:53] <mdeslaur> #endmeeting
[16:53] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Jun  3 16:53:17 2013 UTC.
[16:53] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-06-03-16.33.moin.txt
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[16:53] <sbeattie> mdeslaur: thanks!
[16:53] <sarnold> thanks mdeslaur :)
[16:54] <jjohansen> thank mdeslaur
[16:57] <tyhicks> thanks!
[17:03] <demonoid_me> I wanna create ubuntu LoCo Team but for my country !how can i do thath?
[17:06] <genii> demonoid_me: #ubuntu-locoteams is probably the better place to enquire
[17:06] <demonoid_me> genii: 10x :)
[17:07] <genii> np


[00:42] <lifeless> apw: you said 'nomodeset' right ?
[00:43] <apw> lifeless, ack, and rember to try VT switching
[00:43] <lifeless> tried that
[00:43] <lifeless> and commented in the bug ;)
[14:28] <BUGabundo> good afternoon guys
[14:28] <BUGabundo> sorry to bother on your Saturday,but can anyone take a peak at bug 518058
[14:28] <BUGabundo> thanks in advance
[14:28] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/518058
[18:55] <crimsun> some very unscientific, hand-waving comments on -12.17-generic vs. -12.17-preempt: with generic suspend and resume each takes 1s, with preempt each takes 2.5s; casual audio playback/capture (through PA) is largely unchanged between both [largely within a std dev]; battery life is decreased with preempt.
[18:55] <crimsun> again, nothing extraordinary given what enabling CONFIG_PREEMPT=y does.
[18:56] <crimsun> (oh, and CONFIG_HZ=1000)
[18:58] <crimsun> (also, PA is already an RT task via RtKit, so I wouldn't have expected it to change)
[19:04] <TheMuso> crimsun: Interesting, and not surprising.
[22:08] <arand> How would I tell which mainline version the -10 and -11 kernels for Lucid are based on?
[22:14] <crimsun> see either gitweb or the package changelog
[22:17] <crimsun> e.g., -12.1[67] are <IP_ADDRESS>; -11.15 is <IP_ADDRESS>; -10.14 is <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:33] <arand> crimsun: cheers!
[22:44] <arand> I'm forwarding a kernel bug upstream, this seems ok for that purpose?: http://pastebin.com/m6ec89868
[22:47] <crimsun> arand: for references to daily, please check the associated build log and include the actual git-describe / changeset hash
[22:48] <arand> crimsun: okays, otherwise seems ok?
[22:49] <crimsun> arand: I would clarify "built from" to "based on"
[22:53] <arand> crimsun: ok, for the hash, is that the "commit 56dca4ceb7b39aa4173aa1cb822c860ced2be1ec" line from the build log? And would
[22:54] <arand> ... "long<v2.6.33-rc6-228-g56dca4c>" be of any use including as well?
[22:54] <arand> crimsun: In the case of the log here: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/current/BUILD.LOG
[22:54] <crimsun> yes, and yes.
[22:55] <arand> crimsun: Okay :)
[22:55] <crimsun> either would work, but I find git-describe more useful
[23:04] <arand> crimsun: Ok, reported: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15242 dunno if the acpica-core designation is correct...


[14:04] <zetheroo> Is there any way to know what version of say php the next LTS will ship with?
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> !info rar
[14:06] <lotuspsychje> zetheroo: the bot has been made working for disco
[14:07] <zetheroo> !info php
[14:07] <zetheroo> lotuspsychje: hmm ...not quite sure what that means
[14:08] <lotuspsychje> zetheroo: i think in this stage, releasenotes are not made yet
[14:09] <zetheroo> Ok
[14:10] <lotuspsychje> zetheroo: what you can do is, use apt-cache search keyword on your own system
[14:10] <lotuspsychje> zetheroo: those are the packages currently available for your system
[14:11] <zetheroo> Right, but I was just asked by a webdev if I knew what the next LTS python and php version was going to be ... but I understand if it's a bit too early to call at this time
[14:11] <lotuspsychje> zetheroo: those packageversions can change during time, as your system gets updates, till final release
[14:12] <lotuspsychje> zetheroo: also keep in mind disco is a non-LTS version
[14:12] <zetheroo> lotuspsychje: right, but the main version doesn't change in an LTS, right?
[14:12] <zetheroo> ah, I didn't know what 'disco' meant
[14:12] <lotuspsychje> !disco
[14:12] <lotuspsychje> too early :p
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> zetheroo: for LTS releasenotes visit the LTS version wiki releasenotes
[14:21] <zetheroo> When do you think is the earliest time when software versions are released for Ubuntu LTS releases?
[14:22] <lotuspsychje> zetheroo: what are you asking exactly?
[14:23] <lotuspsychje> zetheroo: maybe your a lost in the channels? this is for ubuntu 19.04 right
[14:24] <zetheroo> It's basically about being able to plan ahead. If today all our Webservers are running php7.2 (Ubuntu 18.04) and we want to plan ahead for the migration to Ubuntu 20.04 it would be nice to know what version of php/python/nginx etc ... will be shipped in 20.04.
[14:24] <zetheroo> Is there a channel for 20.04?
[14:24] <lotuspsychje> zetheroo: 19.04 is not even out here,
[14:25] <zetheroo> I know :)
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> zetheroo: when 20.04 gets a codename, development will start here
[14:26] <zetheroo> Ok, and in general is it known in which stage of development the shipped software versions are known? Beta ... Alpha ... etc ?
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> zetheroo: recently decided alpha stages are out of the game
[14:32] <zetheroo> so straight to beta ... and is that only for 19.04 or in general from now on?
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> zetheroo: think from 18.10 and higher
[14:37] <zetheroo> ok


[12:43] <flocculant> DanChapman: just checking here - but I assume that the bug ^^ would actually be one that would cause the test to fail :)
[12:59] <DanChapman> flocculant: yes if no bugs are hit before that particular bug happens then yes that will cause the test to fail.
[13:01] <flocculant> ok - just checking :D
[13:02] <flocculant> toodling off now for the rest of the day - have a good one
[13:02] <DanChapman> :-D and you
[16:01] <dkessel> good evening.
[16:02] <dkessel> mhh, so first i will i file a bug against testdrive-gtk because it cannot create a vm anymore with virtualbox :/
[16:09] <flocculant> didn't think anyone still used that
[16:09] <flocculant> and hi dkessel :)
[16:09] <dkessel> flocculant: i am also starting to get the feeling i am the only user these days :p
[16:09] <dkessel> also, bug 1495264 ;)
[16:10] <flocculant> why not just use vbox?
[16:14] <dkessel> ... and break a habit? :)
[16:14] <flocculant> ha ha ha
[16:15] <dkessel> also, i need to setup a cron job on my home server to download the daily images... it takes ages on this 6 mbit connection that i have now...
[16:16] <flocculant> how many do you grab?
[16:16] <dkessel> i also used testdrive as comfortable frontend for zsync :)
[16:16] <flocculant> lol
[16:16] <flocculant> I use an alias as a comfortable frontend to zsync :D
[16:17] <dkessel> today only xubuntu i386 and amd64... but sometimes i also sync ubuntu and lubuntu
[16:17] <flocculant> I had an alias that did that once
[16:17] <flocculant> now I've just one to grab our 32 and 64 bits
[16:18] <flocculant> not much done with testdrive for almost 18 months since jackson's last change
[16:19] <flocculant> you could almost call it dead ;)
[16:22] <dkessel> mhh okay, so the code basically says, only virtualbox 4.x is supported