[00:06] <fta> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/79548/  i see line 2 but not line 6, any idea? locally, it's fine
[00:08] <asac> fta: maybe &2 isnt really &2 in make?
[00:08] <asac> oh its in shell
[00:08] <fta> i doubt cdbs changed recently
[00:09] <asac> fta: so it doesnt parse for you?
[00:09] <fta> it's stuck on hardy/intrepid/jaunty
[00:09] <fta> https://edge.launchpad.net/+builds/hassium
[00:10] <fta> locally: http://paste.ubuntu.com/79546/
[00:10] <fta> oh,
[00:11] <asac> never seens a two tarball cdbs thing ;)
[00:11] <asac> maybe it was always broken?
[00:12] <fta> dpkg-buildpackage: host architecture i386
[00:12] <fta>  fakeroot debian/rules clean
[00:12] <fta> /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/buildcore.mk:72: parsing songbird-1.0.0-source.tar.bz2 xulrunner-<IP_ADDRESS>-source.tar.bz2 ...
[00:12] <fta> Parsing songbird-1.0.0-source.tar.bz2...
[00:12] <fta> Parsing xulrunner-<IP_ADDRESS>-source.tar.bz2...
[00:12] <fta> test -x debian/rules
[00:12] <fta> vs
[00:13] <asac> fta: how long is it stuck there?
[00:13] <fta> dpkg-buildpackage: host architecture i386
[00:13] <fta>  /usr/bin/fakeroot debian/rules clean
[00:13] <fta> /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/buildcore.mk:72: parsing songbird-1.0.0-source.tar.bz2 xulrunner-<IP_ADDRESS>-source.tar.bz2 ...
[00:13] <fta> test -x debian/rules
[00:13] <fta> >1h
[00:13] <asac> maybe its just soyuz bustage
[00:13] <asac> e.g. no pulse/update of log
[00:13] <fta> nada
[00:13] <asac> or dead VM
[00:13] <asac> i think ppas are xen
[00:14] <asac> fta: yes. i mean it could be that launchpad has  a bug and build logs are not pushed anymore
[00:14] <asac> or the build is really stuck which could be hardware, or simply VM brokeness ... I think you should ask launchpad folks if it works locally
[00:14] <asac> fta: does it happen on other archs as well?
[00:14] <fta> i did, cprov has no clue
[00:15] <fta> yes, all 3*3 builders
[00:15] <asac> 9 builders ;)? fun
[00:16] <asac> if cprov has no clue then we dont either imo ;)
[00:16] <asac> i am sure that at some point someone will take a look ;)
[00:16] <asac> latest when people notice that builds pile up
[00:17] <fta> i asked for a pstree or strace or something, got nothing
[00:17] <fta> it's easy to troubleshoot if you have access to the box
[00:17] <asac> not sure if he has access
[00:18] <asac> given that its just a xen sandbox ... it might have no login ;)
[00:18] <asac> but pure speculation on my side
[00:31] <fta> he killed them all so no more chance to investigate :(
[00:32] <asac> do they work normal again?
[00:43] <fta> i don't know, he deleted them
[00:45] <asac> fta: ok so we can retry?
[00:46] <fta> i can repush the same thing, hoping it will not reject it
[00:49] <asac> fta: did he say that there is a chance that its better now?
[00:49] <fta> read #lp
[00:49] <asac> fta: wasnt in there
[00:49] <fta> oh, hold on
[00:51] <fta> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/79563/
[00:59] <asac> fta: id say you should try one more time after giving the other packages a few slots ;)
[00:59] <asac> fta: how did you create the tarballs?
[01:00] <asac> in jaunty?
[01:00] <asac> try to create them in intrepid chroot or something
[01:00] <asac> tar might have changed ;)
[01:40] <jcastro> fta: is it possible to install extensions in prism yet?
[10:06] <fta> jcastro, in the version in my ppa (0.9.1.*), it sure is possible
[11:00] <directhex> ping
[11:01]  * directhex needs a sexy mozillateam dev
[11:01] <asac> directhex: sexy ... not me ;)
[11:01] <asac> hehe
[11:01] <asac> fta: you eliinated the venkman rename patch right?
[11:01] <asac> thanks
[11:02] <directhex> asac, if a plugin (supposedly) works with ff3.1 as well as ff3, what should i Depends:? it's currently xulrunner-1.9
[11:03] <asac> directhex: xulrunner-1.9 | xulrunner-1.9.1
[11:03] <directhex> good good.
[11:03] <asac> directhex: and ensure tha you have maxVersoin 1.9.* with<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:03] <asac> as targetApplication
[11:03] <asac> directhex: if you dont have that targetApplication it usually means you should directly depend on ffox 3.1/3.0
[11:04] <directhex> hm
[11:04] <directhex>         <em:minVersion>@MIN_FIREFOX_VERSION@</em:minVersion>
[11:04] <directhex>         <em:maxVersion>@MAX_FIREFOX_VERSION@</em:maxVersion>
[11:04] <directhex> handy!
[11:05] <directhex> i don't think i'm looking at the right file. hrm.....
[11:10] <directhex> asac, i'm not sure i understand what you mean WRT maxVersion & targetApplication
[11:18] <asac> directhex: if targetApplication is not<EMAIL_ADDRESS>then its wrong to depend on xulrunner-1.9
[11:18] <asac> directhex: what counts here is what comes out of  <em:maxVersion>@MAX_FIREFOX_VERSION@</em:maxVersion>
[11:18] <asac> after the biuld
[11:18] <asac> please check that tfile
[11:19] <directhex> asac, install.rdf isn't part of the package... should it be?
[11:19]  * directhex tests; works fine on 3.1
[11:21] <directhex> there's nothing like actual testing to see if it behaves
[11:24] <asac> directhex: if its not part then your extension doenst work
[11:24] <directhex> asac, s/extension/plugin/
[11:24] <asac> (install.rdf)
[11:26] <directhex> asac, i don't see any manifests with any other plugins...
[11:26] <directhex> extensions, sure
[11:34] <asac> directhex: didnt you say you are looking at an extension?
[11:35] <directhex> [11:02] <directhex> asac, if a plugin (supposedly) works with ff3.1 as well as ff3, what should i Depends:? it's currently xulrunner-1.9
[11:35] <asac> otherwise all should just work. biuld against 1.9 and it will work in 1.9.1 ... so just extend the depends
[11:35] <asac> ok
[11:37] <directhex> asac, can you check my Npp-foo?
[11:37] <asac> directhex: paste those please
[11:37] <directhex> asac, hell, you can have a source package if you want to check
[11:37] <directhex> asac, http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-mono/moon/trunk/debian/control?op=file&rev=0&sc=0
[11:37] <asac> nope ;)
[11:37]  * asac looks
[11:39]  * asac looks at other package ;)
[11:39] <directhex> ?
[11:39] <asac> not sure if everything is right ;) ... so I look at other package i did ;)
[11:41] <asac> directhex: just check that the file yo usee in about:plugins has the file you use in Npp as a substring
[11:41] <asac> if thats the case all shoulud be fine
[11:41] <directhex>     File name: libmoonloader.so
[11:42] <asac> directhex: can we shorten the Description a bit?
[11:42] <asac> there are two lines in the pfs result:
[11:42] <asac> 1. Name
[11:42] <asac> 2. Description
[11:42] <asac> i have the feeling thats a bit too long
[11:42] <asac> maybe s/Microsoft/ ?
[11:43] <asac> directhex: err
[11:43] <asac> actually. you dont need to repeat the name there
[11:43] <directhex> asac, the npp-description you mean?
[11:44] <asac> i think Description: Web Browser plugin for silverlight content
[11:44] <asac> or something
[11:44] <asac> i think Description: Web Browser plugin for Silverlight ;)
[11:45] <asac> directhex: let me check i fi have a screen
[11:47] <directhex> asac, hit f5, is that description better?
[11:47] <asac> directhex: http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/tmp/pfs-desc.png
[11:48] <asac> directhex: yeah. i think so. if you have ubufox. edit config in about:config
[11:48] <asac> search for pfs ... for both entries that pop up, double click and at the very end there is 8.04
[11:48] <asac> change that to 8.10
[11:48] <asac> then visit a flash site
[11:48] <asac> when load finished you can open the plugin alternative dialog in Tools -> Manage Content Plugins
[11:49] <asac> there you can "Searh ..." for content types... for flash you will see the screen
[11:49] <asac> just so that you can guess how much space you have
[11:49] <directhex> asac, i don't think the plugin finder will help much yet anyway - javascripting your way out of showing the actual plugin bar, youtube-style, is the norm with silverlight
[11:49] <asac> the 8.10 fix is currently in proposed
[11:50] <asac> directhex: well. given that the Npp- headers are just for that its right to still look there
[11:50] <asac> to verify what you type ;)
[11:51] <asac> directhex: also ... once firefox knows about that content type you can still search through that dialog ;)
[11:52] <asac> later you can slo install content plugins from the preferences -> applications pane
[11:52] <asac> so once gnome knows about the silverlight content you can also search from there for the plugin
[11:52] <asac> content=mime-type
[11:52] <asac> is it already a well known mime tpye?
[11:53] <asac> directhex:
[11:53] <asac> grep silverli /etc/mime.types  | wc -l
[11:53] <asac> 0
[11:53] <directhex> gah, this guy's talking about XUL. i go to a supercomputing conference, and he's talking about sodding xul
[11:53] <asac> lol
[11:54] <directhex> hm. why would "manage content plugins" be greyed out?
[11:54] <asac> directhex: thats more or less a bug
[11:54] <asac> directhex: you need to visit a site where some plugin is used
[11:55] <asac> directhex: initially it was designed to allow you to configure just the used content types
[11:55] <asac> but then the dialog allowed to configure all content types
[11:55] <directhex> asac, still greyed out :/
[11:55] <asac> directhex: if you are on a flash site it should work
[11:55] <asac> directhex: only problem could be that you have flashblock
[11:55] <asac> and dont auto play content
[11:55] <directhex> asac, youtube?
[11:56] <asac> works here yes.
[11:56] <asac> directhex: flashblock most likely
[11:56] <directhex> my computer evidently hates me
[11:56] <directhex> asac, nope. punishment for using 64-bit flash .so from adobe labs instead of a package?
[11:56] <asac> directhex: unlikely
[11:57] <directhex> hm. my computer just hates me then :/
[11:57] <asac> directhex: maybe you have a ubufox installed in your profile?
[11:57] <asac> which could be old and broken ;)
[11:58] <directhex> sod it, good enough for a -1.
[11:58] <asac> sod?
[11:58] <directhex> worth filing a bug against mime-support & requesting SL be added?
[11:59] <asac> directhex: yes.
[12:03] <directhex> filed.
[12:03] <directhex> right. lunchtime
[12:13] <asac> directhex: i would suggest that you also forward that to debian directly
[12:13] <asac> and link the bugs
[13:29] <asac> fta2: about xul 1.9.1 and xul 1.9.0 divergence ... i think its ok to fork away now and dont merge anymore. the few things i still have to do on 1.9.0 can be done in parallel imo
[13:30] <asac> main focus should be 1.9.1 anyway
[13:30] <fta2> ok
[13:30] <directhex> asac, i was sending straight to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>- except this hotel wifi seems to block port 25
[13:30] <directhex> so it'll have to wait until this evening
[13:30] <asac> ok
[13:31] <directhex> unless i can find where in evo to change the smtp port
[13:32] <asac> fta2: prism .... is there a particular reason you dont run the stub insetad of /usr/bin/xulrunner-1.9?
[13:32] <fta2> asac, do you have time to troubleshoot something on ff3.1 ?
[13:32] <asac> seems like prism-bin is somehow not packaged up
[13:32] <asac> which should be used instead
[13:32] <fta2> asac, see prism 0.9.* in my ppa, not the old 0.8
[13:32] <asac> fta2: that uses the stub?
[13:32] <asac> cool
[13:32] <fta2> yes
[13:33] <asac> fta2: does it also produce refactor extension?
[13:33] <fta2> yes
[13:33] <asac> even cooler ;)
[13:33] <asac> desktop integration still lacks i guess ... or did upstream get to that?
[13:33] <fta2> it's not there yet
[13:33] <asac> k
[13:34] <asac> fta2: not sure if i have time for 3.1 ;) ... whats the prob?
[13:35] <fta2> go to sony.com, enter the shop, add something to your cart, expected result is to see the cart with the item, but instead, you're back to the home page, with an empty cart
[13:35] <asac> hmm
[13:35] <asac> fta2: did you see the canonical.com bug?
[13:35] <asac> ;)
[13:36] <asac> was filed in response to my blog i think
[13:36] <asac> lets see https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.1
[13:36] <asac> bug 304221
[13:36] <asac> do you see that too?
[13:36] <fta2> mconnor said it's fine for him with a post b2 snapshot but i doubt it's that. probably a xul-sdk bug or something i missed
[13:37] <asac> hmm
[13:37] <asac> what is fine ... sony? or canonical recruitement check boxes?
[13:37] <fta2> sony
[13:38] <asac> i have b3pre
[13:38] <asac> lets see
[13:38] <asac> fta2: sony US?
[13:38] <fta2> yes
[13:38] <asac> i was asked if i wanted us or germany
[13:40] <asac> cannot even find a product on their page
[13:40] <asac> so i cannot add anything to card
[13:40] <asac> what a messy thing
[13:40] <asac> ok seems like computres/notbeooks cannot be boughts
[13:40] <asac> just accessories
[13:40] <asac> at least i dont get any shop like items there
[13:41] <asac> works for me
[13:41] <asac> added a usb flash drive
[13:41] <asac> now i am in cart
[13:41] <asac> lest try 3.1 package
[13:42] <asac> thats b2
[13:43] <asac> adding "
[13:43] <asac> add1GB Micro Vault Click USB Flash Drive
[13:43] <asac> USM-1GL"
[13:43] <asac> works in b2 :/
[13:43] <asac> hmm
[13:44] <asac> extension problem i guess then
[13:44] <fta2> really ? it doesn't for me, tried in 3 different pc
[13:44] <asac> since you have disabled compatibility check i wouldnt be too scared
[13:44] <asac> strange
[13:44] <asac> maybe its just some product?
[13:44] <asac> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1b2) Gecko/20081203 Ubuntu/8.10 (intrepid) Shiretoko/3.1b2
[13:46] <fta2> http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665368427
[13:46] <fta2> just tried this one
[13:48] <fta2> i'm using intrepid here. i have a lot of errors wtr locales. maybe it's better in jaunty
[13:48] <asac> fta2: i get to a page "Choose your Extended Service Plan"
[13:48] <asac> at lesat not the homepage
[13:48] <fta2> yes, that's correct
[13:58] <asac> fta2: anything else i should try?
[14:00] <asac> fta2: now i have tmp installed ... can i also navigate vertically if i have multiple tab rows?
[14:16] <asac> Jazzva: we really need a new nspluginwrapper ;)
[14:16] <asac> feedback on upstream list is quite good so far
[14:16] <asac> lots of issues resolved ... seems to get more stable
[14:16] <asac> let me know when i have something to upload .... and also for SRU
[14:16] <Jazzva> asac, ok, i'll finish it today. Sorry for the delay
[14:16] <asac> do we have a .ubuntu branch?
[14:17] <Jazzva> I think we do, we made it for 1.0.0
[14:17] <asac> Jazzva: not a problem at all ;) ... just wanted to give a soft nagging as i read those postivie comments
[14:17] <asac> Jazzva: not for the current version?
[14:17] <asac> Jazzva: if so we usually want to create a .intrepid branch for what wsa released
[14:17] <Jazzva> asac, nope, but we will use it for the current.
[14:18] <asac> Jazzva: hmm ... sure? wasnt it fta who updated last?
[14:18] <Jazzva> you mean to use .ubuntu for current devel release?
[14:18] <asac> Jazzva: we have 1.1.0-0ubuntu1
[14:18] <asac> seems right
[14:18] <asac> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jazzva/nspluginwrapper/ubuntu
[14:18] <asac> hmm ubuntu2 is in archive
[14:19] <asac> should be easy to replay
[14:19] <Jazzva> yeah, I think 1.1.0 didn't work right, so I think we didn't publish that one... at least not m work
[14:19] <asac> fta2: did you push ubuntu2?
[14:19] <Jazzva> *my work
[14:19] <Jazzva> asac, fta did it
[14:19] <Jazzva> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nspluginwrapper
[14:19] <asac> fta2: if not plesae push that to branch ;) ... i guess you just forgot that
[14:19] <asac> Jazzva: yeah. but its just one or two commits missing then ;)
[14:19] <fta2> hold on, let me check
[14:19] <asac> and most likely fta just forgot ;)
[14:20] <Jazzva> asac, I'm actually wrong. we wen't to 1.1.0 directly, skipping 1.0.0. my mistake :)
[14:20] <asac> heh
[14:20] <asac> but all is in bzr
[14:20] <asac> thats good
[14:21] <fta2> ubuntu or upstream?
[14:21] <asac> Jazzva: oh
[14:21] <fta2> Using saved push location<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:21] <fta2> Format <RepositoryFormatKnit1> for lp-44825424:///~ubuntu-dev/nspluginwrapper/upstream/.bzr is deprecated - please use 'bzr upgrade' to get better performance
[14:21] <fta2> No new revisions to push.
[14:21] <asac> i looked at wrong branch
[14:21] <asac> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/nspluginwrapper/ubuntu
[14:21] <asac> thats the right one
[14:21] <asac> it has 1.1.2-0ubuntu1
[14:21] <asac> Jazzva: that should be right
[14:22] <fta2> Using saved push location<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:22] <fta2> No new revisions to push.
[14:22] <asac> fta2: was that ever uploaded?
[14:22] <Jazzva> asac, ok, I'll merge from that before seeing if any new work needs to be done
[14:22] <asac> apt-cache shows strange things for me
[14:22] <asac> Jazzva: no need to merge ... start with that branch
[14:22] <asac> merge new .upstream in that
[14:23] <Jazzva> asac, hmm... so to dispose my current branches?
[14:23] <asac> Jazzva: e.g. dump your branch in favour of the release branch ... most likely you could just pull
[14:23] <Jazzva> k
[14:23] <asac> Jazzva: yes. user branches should always be abandoned for each and every release
[14:23] <asac> at least i think that makes merging easier
[14:23] <asac> Jazzva: you can just push --overwrite for next submission
[14:24] <Jazzva> I deleted them already, so I think no --overwrite is needed
[14:24] <asac> Jazzva: nobody knows ... its launchpad :-P
[14:24] <asac> but you will notice soon enough
[14:24] <Jazzva> heh :)
[14:25] <asac> fta2: seems like we have a new sec update round in 10 days or so :/
[14:25] <asac> folks ... give me some rest :)
[14:25] <Jazzva> have fun :)
[14:25] <asac> at least i am not at UDS at that point anymore
[14:46] <fta2> asac, too bad, they removed my tarball for songbird, i need to bump is now :(
[14:46] <fta2> it
[14:59] <asac> fta2: they remove sonbird tarballs?
[14:59] <asac> you mean soyuz?
[14:59] <asac> fta2: cant you reupload tarball?
[14:59] <asac> fta2: have you tried to use intrepid to create the tarball?
[14:59] <fta2> nope, rejected, i need to bump it
[14:59] <asac> fta2: i saw tar bustage recently due to too new tar ;)
[15:00] <fta2> lp guys asked me to reup to investigate
[15:00] <asac> so better stick to old tar ;)
[15:00] <asac> ah
[15:00] <asac> ok then
[15:00] <fta2> songbird_1.0.0+0-0ubuntu1~fta1_source.changes
[15:01] <asac> thats ok i guess
[15:01] <fta2> instead of 1.0.0+whydidyouremovemytarball.orig.tar.gz
[15:01] <asac> that would have been ok too
[15:02] <asac> 1.0.0+builddbomb
[15:27] <fta2> asac, same issue, which is good, hm.. sort of :S lamont is on it
[15:38] <asac> fta2: yeah. lamont should be able to figure ;)
[15:44]  * asac off for errands
[15:47] <gnomefreak> did you fix enigmail?
[15:48] <gnomefreak> asac: ^^ when you get back if im here.
[16:39] <mconnor> hmm
[16:39] <mconnor> asac: I only see like six bugs, can you send me a list of the rest?
[16:40] <mconnor> maybe I'm searching wrong
[16:47] <gnomefreak> mconnor: what package are you looking for?
[16:47] <mconnor> package?
[16:47] <mconnor> I'm looking for the bugs asac was filing upstream and attaching patches for
[16:48] <fta2> mconnor, in the name of each patch file
[16:49] <mconnor> fta2: we don't have a bug XXX :)
[16:49] <fta2> lol
[16:49] <mconnor> god
[16:49] <gnomefreak> ah upstream bugs, yeah he wanted me to follow the ones he commented on but i never figured that out
[16:49] <fta2> mconnor, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9.1.head
[16:50] <fta2> mconnor, the last few commits
[16:50] <gnomefreak> what the hell happened to the GTK version of yakuake
[16:50] <mconnor> fta2: yeah, like I said, I've found like six
[16:50] <gnomefreak> tilda sucks it doesnt fold
[16:51] <mconnor> I was expecting more like... 25 :)
[16:51] <fta2> mconnor, and in https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-3.1.head
[16:51] <gnomefreak> fta2: hows holiday going?
[16:52] <fta2> mconnor, i'm not sure if asac is done or done, i just received the commit logs
[16:53] <mconnor> fta2: ok, well, I got the impression he was done :)
[16:53] <fta2> gnomefreak, i'm not in holidays, i'm at work right now, buried with work. I'm not even supposed to be here. bad me.
[16:54] <gnomefreak> fta2: ah i thought this week was vacation/holiday
[16:54] <fta2> i wish
[17:13] <gnomefreak> fta2: is there something wrong with chromium-testsuite
[17:13] <Jazzva> fta2, if you have been working with nspluginwrapper, do you know what was npclass_check() supposed to do? it's out of source now. it was included in a patch from fedora, which is dropped in the devel sources in fedora (at least afaics).
[17:13] <fta2> gnomefreak, still a work in progress. some stuff need to be patched to be packaged
[17:13] <gnomefreak> its held back in upgrade but install gives The following extra packages will be installed: python-tlslite
[17:13] <gnomefreak> The following NEW packages will be installed: python-tlslite
[17:14] <gnomefreak> The following packages will be upgraded: chromium-testsuite
[17:14] <fta2> yes, it is in my ppa too
[17:14] <fta2> i packaged it
[17:14] <gnomefreak> reason i ask is because all other held back packages can be installed without problems
[17:15] <fta2> it should install just fine. some tests are failing because they need files in the source tree. i'll fix that when i have some free time
[17:16] <gnomefreak> fta2: its not just this package though
[17:16] <gnomefreak> its every held back package including PA
[17:17] <gnomefreak> see #ubuntu-devel for more on the subject
[17:23] <fta2> ?
[18:14] <gnomefreak> fta: its weird chromium-browser and chromiumv8 are not installible from your repos and i have chromium-testsuite installed and still no browser oh and songbird FTBFS in your PPA
[18:16] <Jazzva> asac, I updated nspluginwrapper... dumped two patches which came from fedora (our 006 and 007), because they dropped it too... the current state (1.1.8 with only few old patches) works, but breaks current wrappers
[18:17] <Jazzva> asac, I noticed fedora has some new patches, so I'll take a look at them
[18:17] <asac> Jazzva: great. but recreating wrappers helps to improve user experience?
[18:17] <asac> ;)
[18:17] <asac> e.g. can you confirm that its much better now?
[18:17] <asac> should be more stable and better performances for windowless plugins
[18:18] <Jazzva> windowless plugins == embedded?
[18:18] <Jazzva> asac, ^^
[18:19] <asac> Jazzva: plugins AND plugins that support windowless mode ;)
[18:20] <asac> e.g. flash 9 == window
[18:20] <asac> flash 10 == windowless
[18:20] <asac> unless you explictily disable that in /etc/adobe/config.mmm.cfg
[18:20] <asac> oops
[18:20] <asac> mmm.cfg ;)
[18:20] <asac> Jazzva: $ cat /etc/adobe/mmm.cfg
[18:20] <asac> #WindowlessDisable=false
[18:21] <asac> if i comment that in, flash will be much better because its using non-windowless mode again ... of course the "flash always on top of html" bug would be back
[18:21] <Jazzva> well... i haven't used nspluginwrapper before :), and it all worked well for me. I'll have to check it now with both old and new version
[18:21] <asac> (which is why we need windowless ;))
[18:21] <gnomefreak> thats set to disabled im assuming by defualt
[18:21] <asac> Jazzva: you should use it ;)
[18:22] <asac> its supposed to be the preferred way even on i386
[18:22] <asac> ;)
[18:22] <Jazzva> really? umm, ok :)
[18:22] <asac> Jazzva: thats the vision
[18:22] <asac> move plugins to different process
[18:22] <Jazzva> ok, let me test it
[18:22] <asac> especially if they have a crashy backgraound ;)
[18:23] <asac> that reminds me that some funny person blacklisted nspluginwrapper on the biuldds ... just after i enabled it to build there
[18:38] <gnomefreak> !info firefox
[18:39] <asac> fta: nspluginwrapper is unblacklisted ... finally
[18:41] <gnomefreak> !info addblock-plus
[18:42] <gnomefreak> i guess we dont have it in repos
[18:43] <mconnor> asac: can you stick the analysis you gave bsmedberg into the bmo bug so dolske can look at it?
[18:43] <asac> mconnor: sure
[18:44] <dolske> is this the toolkit branding thing?
[18:45] <mconnor> whoa, dolske's here
[18:46] <mconnor> stalker
[18:46] <dolske> :)
[18:46] <mconnor> dolske: yes, it is
[18:50] <mconnor> asac: I presume there are either more bugs to be filed, or I'm missing something?
[19:04] <gnomefreak> crap
[19:05] <gnomefreak> asac:  what time is next meeting on the 7th?
[19:08] <Jazzva> gnomefreak, I think we will delay it cause of UDS, but I might be wrong
[19:09] <gnomefreak> ah i just got email and deleted by mistake thats why i asked
[19:09] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: are you muto yet?
[19:09] <gnomefreak> motu even
[19:09] <Jazzva> muto?
[19:09] <Jazzva> nope...
[19:12] <Jazzva> asac, nspluginwrapper sucks in intrepid (at least for me). I lost sound in flash videos, and after every close of the window, firefox hangs.
[19:14] <gnomefreak> asac: update on sunbird hacking? also should i go to revu/motu to get extensions pushed. either way email me any answers i have to get to work looks like customers engine is here.
[19:14] <Jazzva> ok, that was some hanged npviewer.bin process
[19:46] <asac> mconnor: yes. two more needs discussion bugs for xulrunner ... except you really want me to file stuff for things we dropped because they are fixed in 1.9.1
[19:48] <Jazzva> asac, nspluginwrapper in intrepid works ok, it didn't hang on playing around with flash. the same is in jaunty, though it doesn't play sound when I have rhythmbox open, but that might be because of chroot (?)
[19:48] <mconnor> asac: mmm, I had like 12 ND things :)
[19:48] <mconnor> asac: plus all of the "3.0 only" stuff we should be getting filed as well
[19:49] <mconnor> asac: I want your patchset to be < 10 things, makes everyone's lives easier
[19:50] <asac> yes. approved things will be easier
[19:50] <asac> mconnor: http://pastebin.com/m7ceeac52 ... thats the status of 1.9.1
[19:50] <asac> (xulrunner)
[19:50] <mconnor> that's so much smaller!
[19:50] <asac> note: bz466923 is the branding  thing ... currnelty the one with all the numbers
[19:51] <asac> mconnor: bzXXX_urlclassifier_prefs_in_toolkit.patch ... thats rejected, but should be needs discussion or approved. its above moving esential urlclassifier prefs to toolkit
[19:51] <mconnor> protect tests thing should go upstream
[19:52] <mconnor> asac: oh, yeah
[19:52] <asac> mconnor: yes. i think you already said that on the round 1
[19:52] <mconnor> haven't fixed the web version
[19:52] <mconnor> asac: just not sure what "Approved" means there :)
[19:52] <asac> mconnor: can we add a row (fixed or not on 1.9.1)
[19:52] <mconnor> yeah, can do
[19:52] <asac> mconnor: approved like in Approved for 3.0 ;)
[19:52] <mconnor> ok
[19:54] <asac> Jazzva: are you subscried to nspluginwrapper list?
[19:54] <Jazzva> nope...
[19:55] <asac> ok i will try to forward important ones to mt list
[19:55] <Jazzva> ok, i can subscribe to it now, for future updates
[19:59] <asac> Jazzva: maybe look the archive for novemenber and december
[19:59] <Jazzva> ok
[19:59] <asac> they discuss the fedora patches on top fo 1.1.8 there
[20:03] <asac> Jazzva: can you push the nspluginrapper.ubuntu branch?
[20:03] <Jazzva> I think I did
[20:03] <asac> ok
[20:03] <asac> let me check
[20:04] <Jazzva> asac, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jazzva/nspluginwrapper/ubuntu
[20:31] <asac> Jazzva: actually ... a good thing is to name the submission branch not like the main branch (ubuntu), but like the topic it tries to do ... so you could have named this 1.1.8
[20:32] <asac> in that way you can jjust mark it merged and next time there is a new name available because the topic is new ;)
[20:37] <asac> fta: are you using the soname fixed nss/nspr in your ppa? did it break anything so far?
[20:37] <asac> or all thumbs up from your side?
[20:37] <asac> (i want to get rid of this sticky thing ) ;)
[20:51] <Jazzva> asac: ok, noted for the next time :)
[20:52] <Jazzva> btw, asac, maybe we could apply this patch http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/rpms/nspluginwrapper/devel/nspluginwrapper-1.1.8-fix-invalid-RPC-after-NPP_Destroy.patch?view=markup
[20:53] <Jazzva> the changelog entries are dated after the last revision.
[20:53] <Jazzva> what do you think?
[21:16] <mconnor> hmm
[21:16] <mconnor> what days is UDS?
[21:16] <Jazzva> mconnor, 8-12. december, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDSJaunty
[21:17] <mconnor> huh, a part of the google campus I've never seen
[21:32] <fta> stevel, apparently, sb fails in my ppa: http://paste.ubuntu.com/80016/
[21:32] <fta> stevel, but it worked locally...
[21:33] <fta> seems like i missed tabBrowserCompat.xml
[21:33] <stevel> looks that way
[21:42] <fta> it's there but not as /build/buildd/songbird-1.0.0+0/build-tree/songbird/app/content/bindings/content/songbird/bindings//build/buildd/songbird-1.0.0+0/build-tree/songbird/app/content/bindings/browser/tabBrowserCompat.xml
[21:43] <fta> note the duplicate
[21:43] <fta> looks like a bug to me. a $(notdir) missing
[21:43] <fta> stevel, ^^
[21:47] <stevel> interesting. what's different about the PPA that building there fails vs. locally?
[21:47] <stevel> this is the first time i've heard of a build failure there
[21:48]  * stevel wonders if make-jars is doing something wrong
[21:49] <fta> the builder is different but make-jars should behave the same, it clearly didn't
[22:08] <Jazzva> asac, I took a look the patch that I thought we could apply, but it seems that it is contained in revision 783, which we pulled. So, I think nspluginwrapper is good to go
[22:13] <stevel> fta: can you chekc the app/content/bindings/jar.mn and pastebin that?
[22:14] <fta> asac, [Tue 21:16] <fta> asac, seems like you arrive in SFO ~30min after me. want to share the taxi/shuttle/whatever?
[22:15] <fta> stevel, hold on, i trashed my tree earlier today, to help the #lp guys. I'm rebuilding from scratch
[22:15] <stevel> fta: 'k
[22:15] <fta> doing xul right now
[22:15] <stevel> fta: when do you guys arrive @ SFO?
[22:15] <fta> saturday
[22:16] <stevel> hrm, what time? i may be able to give you guys a ride
[22:17] <fta> me: 6 Dec 12:55, asac 6 Dec 13:33
[22:17] <fta> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDSJaunty/Attendees
[22:18] <armin76> do i go as well? :D
[22:18] <stevel> ah.. i'll be coming by earlier in the morning so i can make it to fosscamp. n/m :(
[22:21] <fta> np
[22:21] <fta> crimsun, E: asyncmsgq.c: Assertion 'pa_asyncq_push(a->asyncq, &i, TRUE) == 0' failed at pulsecore/asyncmsgq.c:164, function pa_asyncmsgq_send(). Aborting.
[22:46] <fta> stevel, http://paste.ubuntu.com/80059/
[22:46] <fta> clearly bad
[22:47] <fta> oh, and now, it fails locally too
[22:47] <fta> wtf???
[22:48] <fta> the only thing i changed in 1.0.0 => 1.0.0+0
[22:50] <fta> hmm, a perl script. "+" has a meaning if regexps are involved
[22:51] <stevel> yeah - it's one or more
[22:51] <fta> i know :)
[22:53] <fta> it's in expand-jar-mn.pl
[22:56] <stevel> doh
[22:57] <fta>   DB<2> p $source_path
[22:57] <fta>  /src/bzr/build-area/songbird-1.0.0+0/build-tree/songbird/app/content/bindings
[22:57] <fta> main::(/src/bzr/build-area/songbird-1.0.0+0/build-tree/songbird/tools/scripts/expand-jar-mn.pl:90):
[22:57] <fta> 90:           $file =~ s/$source_path\///;
[22:57] <fta>   DB<3> p $file
[22:57] <fta>  /src/bzr/build-area/songbird-1.0.0+0/build-tree/songbird/app/content/bindings/addOnBundle.xml
[22:58] <fta> you need to espace $source_path there
[22:59] <stevel> fta: can you try "$source_path = quotemeta $sourcepath" before that line and see if that fixes it for you?
[23:03] <stevel> maybe we should just use str_replace there instead
[23:05] <stevel> oh wait that's not standard perl n/m
[23:10] <fta> stevel, $file =~ s/\Q$source_path\E\///; is enough
[23:10] <fta> just \Q and \E
[23:11] <stevel> cool
[23:15] <fta> stevel, please fix it on your side, i don't know if you updated your patch policy
[23:17] <stevel> will do
[23:17] <fta> thanks
[23:23] <sectech> Someone want to take a look at a launchpad bug and tell me what they think (If your part of the mozilla/firefox team), I am trying to triage bug #304942.
[23:24] <sectech> At first I thought something was kinda fishy about the bug itself... then I let the whole poorly coded html file to load and firefox sits with a 1GB memory usage level
[23:24] <sectech> and won't release it until you quit firefox
[23:34] <fta> stevel, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/songbird/songbird.head/annotate/49?file_id=fix_jar_expender_wit-20081203232207-wkw9u3bjzfsi74ik-1


[03:44] <dupingping> The awesome software is published, You can use the trial version of Sticky Notes.
[03:44] <dupingping> http://korsoftware.com
[12:33] <stiv2k> hello what can i do to determine what is inhibiting suspend on my system? Apparently the suspend is inhibited when the monitor is turned off (idle) i think
[12:33] <stiv2k> and it should not be
[14:31] <LinDol> hi all
[14:36] <darthanubis> hi
[14:38] <LinDol> darthanubis, Thank you for your greeting :)
[14:41] <darthanubis> :)
[14:45] <stiv2k> hi
[14:53] <LinDol> stiv2k, hi :)
[14:53] <LinDol> I will reboot system.
[18:13] <ubuntu_user> Hello ALL!
[18:13] <ubuntu_user> I got some questions about GNOME Ubuntu!
[18:14] <ubuntu_user> I just installed it into a virtual machine (that went fine), but I am trying to find the metacity type menus, any idea how I can get that kind of menu interface?
[18:16]  * ubuntu_user says I just installed it into a virtual machine (that went fine), but I am trying to find the metacity type menus, any idea how I can get that kind of menu interface?
[18:20]  * ubuntu_user says I just installed Ubuntu GNOME into a virtual machine (that went fine), but I am trying to set it up to have metacity style menus. Can anyone assist me with this, since the metacity package seems unavailable?
[18:33]  * ubuntu_user says I just installed Ubuntu GNOME into a virtual machine (that went fine), but I am trying to set it up to have metacity style menus. Can anyone assist me with this, since the metacity package seems unavailable?
[18:57]  * ubuntu_user says I just installed Ubuntu GNOME into a virtual machine (that went fine), but I am trying to set it up to have metacity style menus. Can anyone assist me with this, since the metacity package seems unavailable?
[18:57] <ubuntu_user> don't everyone answer all at once!
[19:03] <stiv2k> i have not seen a single question here actually get answered in the last 2 days
[19:04] <stiv2k> lol
[19:04]  * stiv2k invites ubuntu_user to pull up a chair and get comfy
[19:04] <ubuntu_user> its ok, I am going to just keep asking till someone gets sick of seeing it and decided to be a human being and help me out.
[19:04]  * ubuntu_user says I just installed Ubuntu GNOME into a virtual machine (that went fine), but I am trying to set it up to have metacity style menus. Can anyone assist me with this, since the metacity package seems unavailable?
[19:04] <stiv2k> ubuntu_user: me first man
[19:04] <stiv2k> i was here like an entire day before you
[20:38] <Noskcaj> ubuntu_user, Please stop spamming
[20:38] <Noskcaj> !patience
[20:45] <stiv2k> lol
[20:45] <stiv2k> "don't feel ignored!" ..... as everybody ignores you
[20:48] <Noskcaj> stiv2k, There aren't that many people in the channel, and not all of them are here to give support. It's not ignoring, it's no one active here knowing the answer
[20:51] <stiv2k> Noskcaj: i know that, but, when you're in the shoes of the person asking, it certainly feels that way :)
[20:57] <stiv2k> Noskcaj: does ubuntu-gnome need help?
[20:59] <Noskcaj> stiv2k, More people is near always better with projects like these, so yes
[21:01] <stiv2k> Noskcaj: i already work a full time job, is there smaller tasks perhaps that I could focus attention on
[21:01] <stiv2k> i use ubuntu gnome too so i have an interest in improving it
[21:02] <Noskcaj> Do you have any programming knowledge? Is there anything in particular you would want to improve?
[21:02] <Noskcaj> http://ubuntugnome.org/getting-involved/ has a bit of info
[21:03] <stiv2k> well aside from the suspend inhibit bug i found, which i probably don't know enough to fix... i dunno
[21:03] <stiv2k> yes I do have programming knowledge
[21:03] <stiv2k> I work as a firmware engineer in my day job
[21:03] <stiv2k> Noskcaj: ^
[21:05] <Noskcaj> Can you please file a bug for the suspend issue you where having? (Or mark an existing bug as affecting you)
[21:08] <Noskcaj> I'd suggest just looking for bugs that you can help triage or fix, when darkxst is around he might have something specific he'd like you to help with
[21:51]  * penguin1263 FUCK AT&T
[21:51] <Noskcaj> was that really needed here penguin1263
[21:51] <penguin1263> yes
[21:51] <penguin1263> wait what channel
[21:52] <Noskcaj> Please put that comment somewhere else next time
[23:50] <darkxst> stiv2k, one programming task that needs to be done, is port my old patches for installing language packs in gnome-control-center to the current gnome-control-center and gtk+
[23:51] <stiv2k> darkxst: hi
[23:57] <stiv2k> darkxst: okay, what prerequisite knowledge of gtk or linux do i need other than how to use it
[23:57] <stiv2k> and other than "programming knowledge"
[23:57] <darkxst> you would need to setup a build environment
[23:58] <darkxst> jhbuild is probably best for starters


[08:48] <linuxProblem> i have boot in recovery mode
[08:48] <linuxProblem> it says to me give root passwort
[08:48] <larson9999> Lynoure: in that case, send me jewelry
[08:49] <abattoir> franz_: heavily scratched CD/CDRW?
[08:49] <linuxProblem> can i typ there passwd?
[08:49] <franz_> not at all abattoir
[08:49] <DaSkreech> Eazy-: I had that problem on windows too I think I had to go to the command keys setup change something change it back and then save it
[08:49] <franz_> CD just burnt and verified
[08:49] <Lynoure> larson9999: the moment you do deserve it. :) I can recommend a nice shop of antique jewellery meanwhile. :)
[08:49] <DaSkreech> franz_: Gentoo Partition?
[08:50] <franz_> no
[08:50] <DaSkreech> ok
[08:50] <franz_> hdc is the cd i guess
[08:50] <franz_> the only hdd is hda
[08:51] <franz_> CD was made with K3b, MD5sum controlled and CD verified after burn
[08:51] <franz_> without any error
[08:52] <abattoir> franz_: what about the cd check in the installer?
[08:52] <Eazy-> DaSkreech: you mean in kxb?
[08:52] <abattoir> franz_: or does this come up even before that?
[08:52] <DaSkreech> Eazy-: No In UT2004
[08:52] <Eazy-> ah
[08:52] <Eazy-> so the problem lies in UT2004 then....didnt think of that
[08:53] <Eazy-> didnt have these problem in Gnome
[08:53] <franz_> abttoir> I see it cheching then like frozen and times later it starts kubuntu without saying anything
[08:53] <canihojr> any people can help me whith x11vnc?? :(
[08:53] <abattoir> franz_: there generally is a message saying the cd passed the test
[08:53] <DaSkreech> Eazy-: I could have had a sticky Alt Key :-)
[08:53] <franz_> could not see any message abattoir... may be i was distracted...
[08:54] <abattoir> franz_: my guess is something is wrong with the CD
[08:54] <franz_> yes I know... but this is the third i do burn. all verified in any possible way and burnt at low speed
[08:55] <franz_> and none works fine
[08:55] <abattoir> franz_: because i've had this w/ scratched RWs
[08:55] <nico8481> hi
[08:55] <canihojr> hi
[08:55] <zorglu1> franz_: have you done the check procedure for the burnt cd ?
[08:56] <franz_> yes, both with k3b itself and at boot
[08:56] <sponix> is there an easy way to switch over from gdm to kdm, or another like xdm ?
[08:56] <elknof1> nixternal: sorry, but how do i check compatibilyty, cuase in the list i couldt find my keybord... actually im using an inspiron600m
[08:56] <franz_> sorry now Italy is going to play!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:56] <zorglu1> ok im no good to help tonite :)
[08:56] <zorglu1> seeya
[08:57] <elknof1> nixternal: there are several keyboards listed for dell...
[08:57] <franz_> see u after the match abattoir
[08:57] <abattoir> franz_: ok :)
[08:57] <admin_> YO!.. absolutely * awesome :-) kubuntu just installed itself on my new lappie, and left XP intact... kudos and much praise to the (k)ubuntu folks... me very happy, now I have a real laptop, not some useless winodws heap of... etc
[08:57] <ash-fox> Round one, fight!
[08:57] <nixternal> elknof1: you can try to pick on close to yours, and then edit it as needed
[08:57] <abattoir> admin_: congratulations :)
[08:58] <elknof1> nixternal: ak thanks...   leaving...
[08:58] <elknof1> take care everybody
[08:58] <elknof1> bye bye
[08:58] <nixternal> l8r
[08:58] <admin_> I feel like I've just had a new baby or something :-)
[08:59] <admin_> time for a ceegar
[08:59] <admin_> see ya'll
[09:00] <arso_> anybody here has a psp?
[09:00] <arso_> omg its  still not playing on amarok
[09:01] <arso_> woops it did :P
[09:01] <arso_> so any psp owners here,? i had plenty of converters for videos and images for psp on windows, but i donno shit for linux
[09:03] <Blissex> arso_: most are also available under Linux, for two reasons: many ''codec'' DLLs work under Linux with things like 'mplayer'/'mencoder' and the official and unofficial SDKs for PSP are on Linux.
[09:03] <canihojr> any helpme whit x11vnc?? please??
[09:03] <wilfredH> !repositories
[09:03] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[09:03] <arso_> i see, cool, thanx, i'll look it up
[09:03] <abattoir> arso_: search @ kde-apps.org
[09:04] <arso_> abattoir:  sure, i'll try adept too
[09:04] <waterpie> hi all
[09:04] <Ertain> I can't seem to get my floppy drive to read floppies properly.  Though my computer incurred a power surge last year (I had to gut my computer) it still seems to work.  And I'm sure the floppies I'm using don't have bad sectors.
[09:04] <DaSkreech> http://ftw.generation.no/?n=352
[09:04] <|lostbyte|> Wanderer, hi !
[09:05] <|lostbyte|> Hi ! all :P
[09:05] <waterpie> does anyone knows why dapper's amarok "plays" mp3s in 2 seconds? (so i hear nothing)
[09:05] <DaSkreech> !mp3 > waterpie
[09:06] <|lostbyte|> waterpie, because you need the mp3 support ^
[09:06] <arso_> waterpie:  i just finished setting that up, some guy explained it to me
[09:07] <canihojr> how to activate java server whit x11vnc? i have one error..... :( any helpme?
[09:07] <arso_> anyone streaming fifa?
[09:08] <DaSkreech> telnet ascii-wm 2006
[09:10] <arso_> DaSkreech:  ??
[09:10] <DaSkreech> The game streaming
[09:10] <arso_> i just type that in konsole?
[09:10] <DaSkreech> yes
[09:10] <waterpie> i have installed various things with automatix, so i think(?) i have mp3 support?
[09:11] <arso_> doubt it
[09:11] <arso_> DaSkreech:
[09:11] <DaSkreech> waterpie: Possible.. but lets make sure :)
[09:11] <arso_> elnet ascii-wm 2006
[09:11] <arso_> bash: elnet: command not found
[09:11] <DaSkreech> arso: telnet
[09:12] <waterpie> DaSkreech: :-) yes ...how?
[09:12] <arso_> woops
[09:12] <DaSkreech> waterpie: open adept?
[09:12] <DaSkreech> and search for xine
[09:12] <DaSkreech> tell me if you see libxine-extracodecs
[09:12] <arso_> DaSkreech:  so where does it load up
[09:13] <Philip5> arso: you have to type: telnet ascii-wm.net 2006
[09:13] <DaSkreech> In the konsole
[09:13] <waterpie> DaSkreech: it's not installed...ok i'll install it now
[09:13] <DaSkreech> waterpie: ok :)
[09:13] <arso_> Philip5: ya i did, waiting now
[09:14] <Philip5> you won't see much
[09:14] <Philip5> but kinda geeky fun
[09:14] <arso_> lol?
[09:14] <waterpie> DaSkreech: do i also need arts plugin fo xine?
[09:14] <arso_> telnet ascii-wm 2006
[09:14] <arso_> telnet: could not resolve ascii-wm/2006: Name or service not known
[09:15] <Philip5> arso: as i said... you have to type: telnet ascii-wm.net 2006
[09:15] <arso_> Philip5: oh      .net
[09:15] <DaSkreech> waterpie: I don't think so.
[09:15] <DaSkreech> waterpie: When it's installed close amarok and reopen it and try to play the mp3
[09:16] <arso_> Trying <IP_ADDRESS>...
[09:16] <arso_> Connected to ascii-wm.net.
[09:16] <arso_> Escape character is '^] '.
[09:16] <arso_> so it'll open up in kaffeine? or wat
[09:16] <|lostbyte|> PhilCote, whats that ?
[09:17] <DaSkreech> No It'll open in konsole
[09:17] <arso_> lol
[09:17] <arso_> its textual!?
[09:17] <|lostbyte|> arso_, just wait on that screen for a whole..
[09:17] <DaSkreech> Corner shot :)
[09:17] <|lostbyte|> and a ascii video will play..
[09:17] <waterpie> DaSkreech: now it plays the mp3 one sec /sec (which is nice) :-) but i don't hear anything . i'll try libaerts1-xine plugin
[09:17] <|lostbyte|> arso_, nice..
[09:17] <DaSkreech> waterpie: It will play oggs?
[09:17] <Cntryboy> whats command for this lib in term? error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-1.2.so.0
[09:17] <DaSkreech> You have one in the Examples Folder
[09:18] <|lostbyte|> arso_, how is that generated ?
[09:18] <bam_> hey quick question, I have a multi language dvd, how do I rip a specific language?
[09:18] <waterpie> DaSkreech: no. 1sec/sec, but no sound
[09:18] <DaSkreech> waterpie: For an ogg file?
[09:18] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  not yet, i am waiting
[09:19] <DaSkreech> arso_: Press Ctrl+C then run the command again :)
[09:19] <waterpie> DaSkreech: i don't hear anything from the ogg
[09:19] <arso_> ok ;)
[09:19] <|lostbyte|> arso_, i plays a video, kinda.. football related..
[09:19] <DaSkreech> waterpie: Then Codecs are not your problem
[09:19] <|lostbyte|> :P
[09:19] <arso_> lol
[09:19] <Cntryboy> anyone?
[09:19] <DaSkreech> Do have any sound at all?
[09:19] <Cntryboy> I need to download this lib. package.. libgtk-1.2.so.0
[09:20] <arso_> i typed again
[09:20] <arso_> waiting now
[09:20] <Cntryboy> sudo apt-get install libgtk-1.2.so.0?
[09:20] <|lostbyte|> Gosh.............  WOW.. its live..
[09:20] <|lostbyte|> :P
[09:20] <|lostbyte|> How dumb.
[09:20] <DaSkreech> |lostbyte|: Yeah :)
[09:20] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  lol
[09:20] <DaSkreech> He said straming didn't he?
[09:20] <|lostbyte|> I want a video version ... ARGH !
[09:20] <arso_> its not video?
[09:20] <arso_> WAT is it?
[09:20] <waterpie> DaSkreech: i installed arts plugin for xine, and now it is ok
[09:20] <|lostbyte|> its an ascii video, you can hardly see the players...
[09:20] <Cntryboy> how can I get this package someon libgtk-1.2.so.0
[09:20] <arso_> i want a video+audio?
[09:20] <arso_> OMG lol
[09:21] <|lostbyte|> got to sit really far from your monitor..
[09:21] <DaSkreech> waterpie: Great :)
[09:21] <crimsun> Cntryboy: install libgtk1.2
[09:21] <arso_> why didnt u tell me ascii lool
[09:21] <Cntryboy> crimsun: thx
[09:21] <DaSkreech> waterpie: Good trooubleshooting
[09:21] <arso_> so anyone knows, a VIDEO one?
[09:21] <waterpie> DaSkreech: thanks for your help! :-)
[09:21] <|lostbyte|> arso_, what did you expect from telnet.
[09:21] <Cntryboy> crimsun: E: Couldn't find package libgtk-1.2
[09:21] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  i have no idea wat telnet is :P
[09:21] <Cntryboy> repos, should be fine I updated them last night
[09:21] <Cntryboy> worked in gnome
[09:22] <crimsun> Cntryboy: you made a typo.
[09:22] <Cntryboy> oh that -
[09:22] <Cntryboy> sorry
[09:23] <Cntryboy> thanks
[09:23] <abattoir> Cntryboy: sudo kate/kwrite works now?
[09:24] <|lostbyte|> arso_, in console [09:24] <|lostbyte|> :)
[09:24] <DaSkreech> |lostbyte|: That's mean :)
[09:26] <amarokker> Hi, does anyone know an app that can do more than what it ksnapshot does?
[09:26] <amarokker> I need something as good as techsmith's snagit on win32
[09:28] <nixternal> art
[09:28] <nixternal> ksnapshot
[09:28] <nixternal> amarokker: just press 'Print Scr'
[09:28] <amarokker> heh- and then edit it in gimp? yes, thats one solution too.
[09:28] <nixternal> yup
[09:29] <nixternal> i remember snagit many moons ago
[09:29] <amarokker> I wanted to check if there's something that captures menus scrolling webpages- someth like that- oh well, if nothing else will go, i suppose ksnapshot will have to do for now
[09:30] <nixternal> amarokker: scrolling webpages?
[09:30] <arso_> i wanna watch the match :(:(:(
[09:30] <nixternal> please tell me
[09:30] <arso_> germany vs italy
[09:30] <nixternal> hurry..i gotta get going
[09:31] <amarokker> Yeah- nixternal
[09:31] <nixternal> amarokker: in order to get menus, press print screen, and then set the 'snapshot delay' to 5 seconds, enough to give you time to activate the menu you want to capture
[09:31] <amarokker> Snagit does that now- you can capture pages with deep links and pics i
[09:31] <nixternal> and then press new snapshot
[09:32] <nixternal_> l8r all
[09:32] <amarokker> nixternal_: cya :)
[09:33] <arso_> wow noone watches footbal
[09:33] <amarokker> arso_: I would, if argentina didnt go out early
[09:34] <amarokker> poor bastards- i think the world cup is utterly boring this time round.
[09:34] <arso_> lol
[09:34] <arso_> i didnt watch a single match yet :P
[09:34] <arso_> plan on streaming the one now
[09:34] <arso_> found a site
[09:34] <arso_> yagooya, chinese site
[09:34] <arso_> friend streams from it
[09:34] <amarokker> LOL
[09:34] <amarokker> The Chinks- they have it all figured it out, havent they.
[09:35] <amarokker> Oh, lemme try it.
[09:35] <arso_> lol
[09:35] <arso_> k
[09:35] <arso_> u have to sign up-free
[09:35] <amarokker> not wholly impossible- kbabel to the rescue. :P
[09:35] <james__> would anyone in here be up to walking me through setting up a dell truemobile 1470 wireless card (broadcom chipset) to work, with or without ndiswrapper?
[09:36] <james__> i has the driver installed in ndiswrapper, and it recognizes the card, but i am stuck
[09:36] <james__> it*
[09:36] <arso_> http://www.yagooya.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1#post1
[09:37] <amarokker> arso_: which app are you using for the streaming? browser?
[09:39] <dueyfinster> amarokker: I think |"Chinks" is a derogatory term....Here's a french site, no registration required, all world cup goals (in french) Its flash:
[09:39] <dueyfinster> http://www.11football.com/coupedumonde2006/
[09:40] <amarokker> dueyfinster: yes, it is- regret saying that- but no offense intended. :) thanks- will try that too
[09:40] <dueyfinster> you click on the footballs btw, to bring up the match report and goals
[09:41] <dueyfinster> amarokker: No bother ;-)
[09:41] <canihojr> hi
[09:46] <Mariano> Hi, kubuntu dvd boots but hangs while trying to mount root fs, dvd image is ok, dvd is ok...any ideas?
[09:48] <abattoir> james__: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Dapper
[09:51] <james__> abattoir: thank you
[09:53] <Mariano> md5 checksum is ok...
[09:59] <|lostbyte|> james__, did you knoe they have a channel ?
[10:00] <abattoir> !search broadcom
[10:00] <ubotu> Found: wifi
[10:00] <abattoir> !wifi
[10:00] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:00] <|lostbyte|> !ntpasswd
[10:00] <ubotu> I know nothing about ntpasswd
[10:01] <abattoir> |lostbyte|: the channel is #bcm43xx?
[10:01] <Raito> How would I edit the margins of my desktop? So that windows cannot go beyond the panels?
[10:02] <|lostbyte|> abattoir, no ! #bcm-users
[10:02] <|lostbyte|> Raito, beyond the panel ?
[10:02] <abattoir> |lostbyte|: thanks, i'll add a factoid about bcm43xx to ubotu
[10:03] <|lostbyte|> abattoir, hai ! your the admin ?
[10:03] <abattoir> |lostbyte|: no, lots of ppl asking about broadcom, that's why :)
[10:04] <Raito> |lostbyte|: basically I want to set the desktop margins so that windows can't go under the panels, right now, it latches on so to speak but how would I make it so that the windows can't go that way?
[10:04] <|lostbyte|> I would love to add factoids too, it would be easy for me to help people..
[10:04] <|lostbyte|> abattoir, ^^
[10:04] <abattoir> |lostbyte|: anyone can add a factiod...
[10:04] <james__> |lostbyte|: i did not know they had a channel
[10:05] <abattoir> but for unregistered/unaouthorised users, it will be reviewed by #ubuntu-ops
[10:05] <|lostbyte|> abattoir, really ! whats the syntax ? or is there a help page ?
[10:05] <abattoir> and then added
[10:05] <dueyfinster> Raito: Most options can be got be right clicking on the windows bar at the top, and selecting configure windows
[10:05] <eimajenthat> I seem to remember hearing about a tool similar to deborphan, but better
[10:05] <abattoir> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[10:05] <eimajenthat> for finding and removing stuff that isn't needed
[10:05] <|lostbyte|> abattoir, thanks..
[10:05] <abattoir> |lostbyte|: no problem :)
[10:05] <james__> how do i get rid of wifi-radar? just uninstall wih adept?
[10:05] <eimajenthat> can anyone tell me what I'm talking about?
[10:07] <bluesceada> hi
[10:07] <dueyfinster> eimajenthat: sorry.....
[10:07] <bluesceada> i want to install kubuntu on my new/old(from ebay ;-)) notebook
[10:07] <bluesceada> and i now don't know how much space it takes on root
[10:07] <bluesceada> it says minimum 2gb
[10:08] <bluesceada> in gentoo i'm familiar with my root growing up to around 10 gb
[10:09] <bluesceada> so when i want to install all different stuff in kubuntu (firefox, openoffice 2, gimp, some other smaller apps). .. how much will it take maximum for most of you?
[10:09] <dueyfinster> bluesceada: You could install it in a 2gb partition and then use tools, such as qtpart to extend
[10:09] <kbrooks> I'm using Kubuntu w/ Ubuntu. I would like ashift+numlock to work. But it doesn't.
[10:09] <bluesceada> dueyfinster: ah i don't like that so much, it's still quite buggy
[10:09] <kbrooks> It's supposed to enablee mouse keys
[10:09] <kbrooks> at least, thats what gnome calls it
[10:10] <Raito> bluesceada: That all depends on who uses the computer >_< I have a comp with a 4gig harddrive and I am fine with it
[10:10] <abattoir> !bcm43xx is To setup a wireless card with a Broadcom 43xx chipset, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Dapper . Also look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx . #bcm-users is a dedicated channel for the open source bcm43xx driver.
[10:10] <dueyfinster> bluesceada: That depends, thats like asking how long is a piece of string!!
[10:10] <bluesceada> dueyfinster: could you tell me the used size on your root partition with kubuntu
[10:10] <bluesceada> Raito: yeh .. i mean without home dir ..
[10:10] <bluesceada> root with all except some files from me (home dir, storage directories, whatever)
[10:11] <dueyfinster> bluesceada: checking now
[10:11] <bluesceada> so what are your sizes ?
[10:11] <bluesceada> ok thx
[10:11] <bluesceada> seems 4gb should be enough, if that's all what Rait got
[10:12] <dueyfinster> bluesceada: I got 4.2gb, but I have a good few things installed, such as koffice apache etc
[10:12] <Raito> bluesceada: My whole hd is 4gig, root is something less >_>
[10:12] <bluesceada> yeh i also want to install such stuff
[10:12] <dueyfinster> bluesceada: 4gb should be plenty
[10:12] <bluesceada> Raito: yeh of course...
[10:12] <bluesceada> i said if that's all what you have
[10:12] <bluesceada> ok i will go with 4,5 ...
[10:12] <Raito> I see
[10:13] <bluesceada> dueyfinster: or also personal files and stuff there?
[10:13] <dueyfinster> bluesceada: nope, thats everything except /home dir
[10:14] <bluesceada> dueyfinster: ok much thanks for your help! :)
[10:14] <dueyfinster> bluesceada: No bother, any time!
[10:14] <Cntryboy> In konqueror where do I need to go so I can save my homepage on start up?
[10:14] <pit_> hello all
[10:14] <bluesceada> hardest thing will probably be the acpi stuff, need to disassemble the dsdt probably... and the wlan card which is a rtl8180
[10:14] <bluesceada> so... i'm continuing .. :-)
[10:14] <kbrooks> disassemble?
[10:15] <uniq> cntryboy: go to the webpage in konq. settings -> save view profile "Kubuntu Web"
[10:15] <pit_> I've a little problem I don't know how to log in root in Konsole
[10:15] <bluesceada> kbrooks: eh sry wrong .. decompile
[10:15] <kbrooks> bluesceada: if this is what i'm thinking, you're probably gonna void the warranty
[10:15] <bluesceada> then fix errors that it compiles with iasl
[10:15] <bluesceada> kbrooks: it's already,, it is a sold defect laptop from ebay
[10:15] <bluesceada> the owner was quite stupid though
[10:16] <dueyfinster> Cntryboy: are you looking for Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> Behavoir -> Homepage ?
[10:16] <Cntryboy> uniq: im there but it says profile management.. The page its up now is google.com/linux and I want that page to load everytime I start konqueror
[10:16] <kbrooks> bluesceada: how come
[10:16] <dueyfinster> Cntryboy: Do as I suggested so
[10:17] <dueyfinster> dueyfinster: Everytime you start konq as browser, it'll load up whatever you choose them
[10:17] <Cntryboy> dueyfinster: i did and put in the http://www.google.com/linux url and apply and restarted and its the same as it was lol
[10:17] <arso_> anyone got the yagooya working
[10:17] <bluesceada> kbrooks: he said someone helped him upgrading to win xp from win98, now it crashes sometimes he says .. now i thought, could just be software etc., and bought it... now i found out in the bios you can select either win98/2000 or "other" as your os .. so of course there could be some problems with xp^^
[10:17] <Cntryboy> is mozilla better than konqueror?
[10:17] <bluesceada> hmm why cant i select reiserfs as a filesystem in the kubuntu setup ??
[10:18] <bluesceada> Cntryboy: depends on what you want ;-)
[10:18] <pit_> I've a little problem I don't know how to log in root in Konsole
[10:18] <kbrooks> bluesceada: he sold it for that REASON? geez
[10:18] <dueyfinster> Cntryboy: You opening it up to browse you files then. Select it from the internet menu. BTW, when you set homepage, you should be able to hit home button in it
[10:18] <Cntryboy> bluesceada: I just want a browser lol
[10:18] <kbrooks> bluesceada: definitely a stupid owner
[10:18] <Raito> Cntryboy: All depends, Konqueror has auto spell check, and Mozilla is more supported by sites (at least in my opinion)
[10:18] <bluesceada> kbrooks: yeh and win98 is too old and so ... but that made lots of people dont bid so high it seems ... it was even in the topic a big *DEFECT*
[10:19] <bluesceada> lucky buy for me :-)
[10:19] <Cntryboy> does mozilla come with kubuntu?
[10:19] <kbrooks> Cntryboy: no
[10:19] <Cntryboy> okay
[10:19] <kbrooks> Cntryboy: kubuntu is an OS
[10:19] <dueyfinster> Cntryboy: Firefox is more extendable and has support for more sites (like Gmail), whereas konqueror is slimmer than firefox, faster to load and integrates with kde better
[10:19] <bluesceada> Cntryboy: dont think so, but you can install it afterwards with the package manager i think
[10:19] <arso_> amarokker:   u there
[10:19] <kbrooks> bluesceada: no, it doesnt
[10:20] <eimajenthat> can anyone tell me what these errors mean? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17190
[10:20] <Cntryboy> well the home url says http://www.google.com/linux but it doesn't load that
[10:20] <kbrooks> thats a definite answer
[10:20] <Cntryboy> so i'm not sure what to do
[10:20] <Cntryboy> bluesceada: I have 2.1KB dialup super slow lol
[10:20] <dueyfinster> Cntryboy: Its really personal preference, you can try the big three, which are Konqueror, Firefox and Opera, see which one you'd prefer
[10:20] <bluesceada> oh
[10:20] <bluesceada> firefox is quite small to download
[10:20] <Cntryboy> what comes with ubuntu regular firefox or mozilla
[10:20] <Cntryboy> I can't remember
[10:20] <dueyfinster> Cntryboy: Firefox
[10:21] <Cntryboy> does kubuntu have firefox?
[10:21] <Cntryboy> it seems easier
[10:21] <bluesceada> so... still anyone here who can tell me how to select reiserfs, or tell me possible reasons why i cant select it
[10:21] <dueyfinster> Cntryboy: Mozilla Browser is now no longer made by Mozilla itself, but by SeaMonkey, a subdivision while they phase it out
[10:21] <kbrooks> whoo
[10:21] <kbrooks> erm
[10:21] <kbrooks> dueyfinster: wrong there
[10:21] <Cntryboy> dueyfinster: okay, well I want firefox I guess.. that way I know how to link my java to it..
[10:22] <amarokker> arso_: Yeah- but unfortunately am a bit busy and haven't actually  got down to watching or registering it- i can see it on the telly though.
[10:22] <Raito> There is something I always wanted to know, what is the big difference between firefox and mozilla?
[10:22] <Hawkwind> Mozilla still makes the products, just Mozilla is being phased out as an actual product as they now call it Seamonkey
[10:22] <kbrooks> dueyfinster: it's not *supported* by mozilla. it is MADE by mozilla
[10:22] <dueyfinster> kbrooks: Thats what I heard
[10:22] <Hawkwind> Raito: Firefox is based off the Gecko code and is much faster and lighter than Mozilla
[10:22] <kbrooks> dueyfinster: you oversimplified what you heard
[10:22] <Raito> I see
[10:23] <arso_> amarokker:  oh, i was hoping u could help me, i registered and when i run it,i get a blank page, i have java and flash and everything :(), any thoughts?
[10:23] <dueyfinster> kbrooks: Yes I know, but they no longer recommend people to get it, instead they want people to get firefox
[10:23] <Hawkwind> dueyfinster: Not true either
[10:23] <Cntryboy> so how can I get firefox working with kubuntu with out downloading it if possible?
[10:23] <kbrooks> Hawkwind: mozilla and seamonkey are seperate products
[10:23] <Hawkwind> dueyfinster: They want users to use firefox OR seamonkey as seamonkey is what used to be mozilla
[10:23] <dueyfinster> kbrooks: SeaMonkey project is meant to still fix Mozilla Suite, but its no longer actively developed
[10:23] <Hawkwind> kbrooks: Right, but seamonkey is taking the place of mozilla
[10:24] <kbrooks> Hawkwind: no,  there was no "mozilla -> seamonkey"
[10:24] <|lostbyte|> Cntryboy, huh ! weird.. huh.. ??
[10:24] <Cntryboy> what is?
[10:24] <Cntryboy> lol
[10:24] <Hawkwind> seamonkey is what is replacing mozilla.  I didn't mean they were the same
[10:24] <kbrooks> HAH |lostbyte|
[10:24] <Cntryboy> who cares about seamonkey or mozilla, how do I get firefox hahahah
[10:24] <kbrooks> Cntryboy: USE adept
[10:24] <Hawkwind> Cntryboy: apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[10:24] <kbrooks> ffs
[10:24] <Cntryboy> blahh
[10:24] <dueyfinster> Cntryboy: Its in adept
[10:24] <Cntryboy> nm
[10:24] <Cntryboy> not sure what adept is
[10:24] <amarokker> arso_: No ideas yet- havent registered yet- dueyfinster linked me to this: http://www.11football.com/coupedumonde2006/
[10:25] <amarokker> You might wanna try that.
[10:25] <kbrooks> dueyfinster: correction: it's in main
[10:25] <dueyfinster> Cntryboy: Is the install manager, in the menu
[10:25] <Hawkwind> Cntryboy: Open up a terminal and type: sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[10:25] <Cntryboy> hawkwind: I don't wanna have to download it
[10:25] <dueyfinster> kbrooks: in main?
[10:25] <Hawkwind> Cntryboy: You have to
[10:25] <Cntryboy> does kubuntu have a synaptic manager like ubuntu
[10:25] <Hawkwind> Cntryboy: No way around it
[10:25] <Hawkwind> Cntryboy: adept
[10:25] <kbrooks> dueyfinster: in the repository
[10:25] <Cntryboy> oh okay, everything is changed differently with kde
[10:26] <Cntryboy> lol
[10:26] <amarokker> Any thouhts on the better browser when comparing epiphany and firefox? I understand that they both use the same engine- so whats the difference there?
[10:26] <Hawkwind> Cntryboy: Adept will download it and install it for you, just like the command I gave you
[10:26] <amarokker> integration with gnome?
[10:26] <dueyfinster> kbrooks: okay
[10:26] <Cntryboy> Hawkwind: yah I know the commands, just wondering how to find the synaptic manager, but adept must be it then
[10:26] <kbrooks> dueyfinster: there are 4 levels of repos - main, restricted, universe and multiverse
[10:26] <DaSkreech> amarokker: Wouldn't that be better asked in #ubuntu?
[10:26] <dueyfinster> Also if anyones ointerested, google "swiftfox" its firefox optimised for your processor
[10:26] <Cntryboy> hawkwind: gotta find adept first lol everything is different lay out
[10:27] <Hawkwind> Cntryboy: It should be on the panel
[10:27] <kbrooks> dueyfinster: they represent the level of support that ubuntu/canonical cann offer for the products in each repo
[10:27] <Hawkwind> Cntryboy: Or again, open up a terminal and type sudo adept
[10:27] <dueyfinster> kbrooks: I know, I just got lost in the context
[10:27] <amarokker> DaSkreech: I wouldnt know- but let me ask anyway :)
[10:27] <Cntryboy> hawkwind: so there's no gui version of synatpics in like the K menu
[10:28] <dueyfinster> kbrooks: Tryna do two things at once, wasn't sure what you were tyalking about for a sec, too late after I types :-(
[10:28] <Hawkwind> Cntryboy: I'm sure there is, but adept should be on your panel already, towards the right
[10:28] <Hawkwind> Cntryboy: I don't use KDE so that's why I can't be specific
[10:28] <weedar> adept IS a GUI
[10:28] <|lostbyte|> Cntryboy, i use kde.. pick me pick me :P
[10:28] <kbrooks> Cntryboy: um, u can install synaptic, but its gnome, itll look ugly to u
[10:28] <kbrooks> it wont be integrated
[10:28] <Cntryboy> hawkwind: yah the command for adept got me to the manager, but no its not on panel
[10:28] <Hawkwind> Cntryboy: I just don't know where adept is located in the menus for KDE
[10:28] <arso_> amarokker:  that link u gave me doesnt work "ferme closed"
[10:29] <kbrooks> Cntryboy:
[10:29] <dueyfinster> Cntryboy: K -> System -> Adept
[10:29] <kbrooks> dueyfinster: no
[10:29] <Cntryboy> dueyfinster: thx
[10:29] <kbrooks> dueyfinster: add/remove programs
[10:29] <Cntryboy> I seei t
[10:29] <kbrooks> is the simplest
[10:29] <dueyfinster> kbrooks: He wants something like synaptic!
[10:29] <kbrooks> adept is more advanced
[10:29] <Hawkwind> But K -> System -> Adept isn't wrong.
[10:30] <kbrooks> Hawkwind: I KNOW.
[10:30] <Cntryboy> to me honestly kde is better on the eyes, but gnome was simple to work around
[10:30] <Cntryboy> my 2 cents
[10:30] <Hawkwind> Cntryboy: So install Gnome by doing sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[10:31] <Hawkwind> Cntryboy: That will get you Gnome which you can use within Kubuntu
[10:31] <Cntryboy> hawkwind: nah i gotta learn this kde, I just reinstalled to kubuntu lol
[10:31] <dueyfinster> Cntryboy: They are both very close in usability, I think KDE edges Gnome personally. On stability, generally in my exp. Gnome does (slightly) better
[10:31] <bluesceada> gnome offers really too less options for me
[10:31] <dueyfinster> Cntryboy: You can use both and choose at login time
[10:31] <Cntryboy> dueyfinster: yah I've noticed a lot more errors trying simple things even txt apps with kde
[10:31] <Hawkwind> I don't use Gnome or KDE, so I can't compare stability to features.     Or asks for help and plays like he's too dumb to achieve the things that everyone is helping him with
[10:34] <kbrooks> Cntryboy: h/o
[10:34] <bluesceada> dueyfinster: k, everything depends on what you want to do etc.
[10:34] <Hawkwind> kbrooks: In other words, if he were to join ##Gnome and say that KDE is the best and so on, that would be trolling
[10:34] <Hawkwind> kbrooks: He's far from trolling
[10:34] <dueyfinster> bluesceada: Yep, I know ;-)
[10:35] <|lostbyte|> Hawkwind, kbrooks Common ! we are on kubuntu "k" over ubuntu, definily kde is the best here.. anyways..
[10:35] <bluesceada> hmm sry to ask again, didnt find something useful, why is reiserfs removed from the kubuntu installation? some recent problem with reiser (3) ?
[10:35] <kbrooks> |lostbyte|: lol
[10:35] <Hawkwind> bluesceada: It's not.  I'm using ReiserFS in Kubuntu
[10:35] <bluesceada> how?
[10:35] <arso_> guys i need flashplayer 8 please
[10:35] <bluesceada> you cant select it in the graphical gui is what i meant :S
[10:35] <Hawkwind> bluesceada: I selected it from the partitioning menu
[10:36] <arso_> can anyone help me get flashplayer 8
[10:36] <Hawkwind> arso_: Wait til next year when it's available for linux
[10:36] <bluesceada> hm i cant :(
[10:36] <ash-fox> Doesn't the 'custom' partitioning mode crash?
[10:36] <Hawkwind> arso_: It's only avilable for Windows
[10:36] <arso_> Hawkwind:  omg :S , no solution now?
[10:36] <Hawkwind> arso_: 8.5 will be available for Linux after the first of the year
[10:36] <arso_> espn is only streaming with flashplayer 8 :='(
[10:36] <Hawkwind> ash-fox: It didn't for me
[10:37] <arso_> \oh i know
[10:37] <Cntryboy> okay back
[10:37] <arso_> i'll just go to windows
[10:37] <arso_> lol
[10:37] <arso_> i am dual booting
[10:37] <ash-fox> arso, you can get it if you buy a copy of codeweaver's crossover office
[10:37] <bluesceada> i just could select ext3,ext2, fat32/16, jfs, even ntfs, and some other...
[10:37] <Hawkwind> ash-fox: No you can't
[10:37] <Cntryboy> so how can I make konqueror internt page load up?
[10:37] <Cntryboy> home url has the url I want, but doesn't work
[10:37] <Hawkwind> ash-fox: Flash 8 isn't available there either
[10:37] <ash-fox> Eh?
[10:38] <Hawkwind> Cntryboy: You need to save the profile and load it everytime
[10:38] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  wats wrong
[10:38] <bluesceada> Hawkwind: how did you work around the gui to be able to use reiser ?
[10:38] <bluesceada> use the gui, then trick it by mkreiserfs manually?
[10:38] <Hawkwind> bluesceada: There was no work around.  I just selected my partition and clicked on the option to change the FS type and went on
[10:38] <bluesceada> i cant do it here :(
[10:38] <Cntryboy> hawkwind: I saved it under profiles for web
[10:39] <bluesceada> i install it with the kubuntu 6.06 desktop install cd
[10:39] <Cntryboy> hawkwind: but it doesn't work, I hate confusing stuff, all I wanna do is a simple homepage lol
[10:39] <ash-fox> Sorry, I got confused with shockwave.
[10:39] <Hawkwind> bluesceada: Use the alternate CD
[10:39] <bluesceada> :/
[10:39] <Cntryboy> ubuntu supposed to be the easiest, but they make it confusing just the same
[10:39] <Hawkwind> Cntryboy: I don't use KDE so I don't know the details of it unfortunately
[10:39] <bluesceada> stupid, why do they remove reiserfs x.x
[10:39] <|lostbyte|> Cntryboy, what do you get then ?
[10:39] <bluesceada> i dont want to also burn another cd now ..
[10:40] <dueyfinster> Cntryboy: You can use Firefox either
[10:40] <ash-fox> Cntryboy, do you have "saved urls in profile" checked when you save?
[10:40] <bluesceada> there is even mkreiserfs and mkreiser4 on the cd ..hmh
[10:40] <bluesceada> but you cant select it ..
[10:41] <ash-fox> Sorry, "Save URLs in profile'
[10:42] <Cntryboy> ash-fox: well for profile management for kubuntu web it has a check mark below that saying save urls for profiles
[10:42] <Cntryboy> so I guess so
[10:42] <ash-fox> And it doesn't load up that page when you start konqueror?
[10:43] <Cntryboy> ash-fox no it starts up the konqueror- conquer your Desktop!
[10:43] <Cntryboy> shows home folder/storage media ect
[10:44] <ash-fox> Cntryboy, where are you starting it from?
[10:44] <Cntryboy> ash-fox: what do you mean
[10:44] <ash-fox> Where are you starting konqueror from?
[10:44] <Cntryboy> ash-fox: down in panel it says konqueror web
[10:44] <ash-fox> Internet -> Konqueror ?
[10:45] <Cntryboy> no it's in panel saying konqueror web browser
[10:45] <ash-fox> hm.
[10:45] <|lostbyte|> c
[10:45] <ash-fox> Well, that should execute 'kfmclient openProfile webbrowsing', which would be the webbrowsing profile...
[10:45] <Cntryboy> ash-fox: but even under internet kon. web does same
[10:46] <Cntryboy> ash-fox: well its not, it's loading up conquer your desktop! bs
[10:46] <Cntryboy> lol
[10:47] <Cntryboy> I got it
[10:47] <Cntryboy> I had to also be on the page I wanted it to load
[10:47] <Cntryboy> instead of just putting the url in the settings
[10:48] <ash-fox> Cntryboy, okay. let's try this from the beginning (I'll do it here too), load a different webpage, the page you want it to start with. then goto settings -> save view profile 'kubuntu web'.
[10:48] <Cntryboy> ash-fox: its okay bro I got it :)
[10:48] <ash-fox> Make sure the 'save URLs in profile' is checked, and hit 'Ok' :)
[10:48] <ash-fox> Ah.. I need to pay more attention :P
[10:52] <CaBlGuY> anyone awake??
[10:52] <dueyfinster> CaBlGuY: Yes
[10:53] <CaBlGuY> ya know how to edit text in Gimp?
[10:53] <CaBlGuY> make it larger, and change the styel, etc..
[10:53] <CaBlGuY> *style
[10:54] <Hawkwind> CaBlGuY: Have you asked that in #Gimp ?
[10:54] <dueyfinster> CaBlGuY: Sorry I don't have it, someone else would better answer that :-)
[10:54] <|lostbyte|> CaBlGuY, choose the text tool and the modifiers will appear below it.
[10:54] <|lostbyte|> you can change from there.
[10:54] <CaBlGuY> Hmmmmm
[10:55] <CaBlGuY> not seien anyu modifiers..  :/
[10:56] <CaBlGuY> lemme go ask in Gimp b4 Hawkwind gets his panties in a bunch...
[10:56] <|lostbyte|> CaBlGuY, http://bachue.com/alejo/gimptutorial.html
[10:56] <|lostbyte|> scroll down to text tool.
[10:58] <bojan> does Adept or apt-get keep some sort of log
[10:58] <bojan> somewhere?
[10:58] <David42UK> hi all, does anyone know how to get the sagem fast 800 modem working under linux, I have tried everything
[10:59] <h3sp4wn> bojan: aptitude does
[10:59] <|lostbyte|> bojan, /var/log/dpkg.log
[10:59] <Hawkwind> CaBlGuY: It just makes more sense to ask an app specific question in the apps channel where the experts are
[11:00] <slow-motion> re
[11:08] <David42UK> as anybody built the eagle-usb driver fro linux
[11:09] <WiLd_TiGeR> hi all
[11:09] <h3sp4wn> David42UK: Neutrinomass if I remember rightly (may be wrong)
[11:10] <David42UK> whats that h3sp4wn
[11:11] <h3sp4wn> Its a person (i.e nickname Neutrinomass)
[11:11] <David42UK> cheers, I'd like to know how he did it
[11:12] <WiLd_TiGeR> +R
[11:12] <WiLd_TiGeR> ops
[11:13] <h3sp4wn> David42UK: Have you asked in #ubuntu (its not kde specific and there are more people there)
[11:13] <David42UK> i'll try that thanks h3sp4wn
[11:16] <sysrpl> hello, could i get some help installing a package with dependencies that are in conflict?
[11:16] <sysrpl> i am a linux noob, so i'm having these problems .. :p
[11:16] <h3sp4wn> Is the package built for kubuntu (I would expect not if you are having dependancy problems)
[11:16] <sysrpl> the package is libgtk2.0-dev
[11:16] <WiLd_TiGeR> hello
[11:16] <WiLd_TiGeR> I`m new here
[11:17] <WiLd_TiGeR> can I ask you somehting
[11:17] <omeow> No, asking is forbidden.
[11:17] <sysrpl> which isin conflict with depends on libpango1.0-dev and libcairo2-dev; broken packages
[11:17] <WiLd_TiGeR> ok
[11:18] <omeow> Of course you can ask things here, but don't ask to ask, just ask. It saves us from asking another question.
[11:18] <WiLd_TiGeR> sorry about that
[11:18] <WiLd_TiGeR> bye
[11:18] <omeow> Don't be silly.
[11:18] <sysrpl> i on't think libgtk2.0-dev is built for kubuntu
[11:18] <WiLd_TiGeR> :) ok
[11:18] <sysrpl> so what are my options?
[11:18] <omeow> Now.. what's your question? Please try to be as specific as possible.
[11:18] <DaSkreech> !ask
[11:18] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:19] <WiLd_TiGeR> how to register
[11:19] <sysrpl> is that directed at me? i thought i asked a question
[11:19] <DaSkreech> sysrpl: I wouldn't trust the libcairo2-dev package :)
[11:19] <WiLd_TiGeR> because I want to chat with the people here
[11:19] <sysrpl> well i need it for a few different tools
[11:19] <DaSkreech> !register
[11:19] <Hawkwind> WiLd_TiGeR: /msg nickserv help
[11:19] <omeow> Type /query nickserv and then type help register
[11:19] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[11:19] <sysrpl> noteably lazurus and gimpshop
[11:19] <Hawkwind> WiLd_TiGeR: But it's best to ask that question in somewhere like #Freenode
[11:20] <WiLd_TiGeR> but there is a little problem
[11:20] <sysrpl> so ....
[11:20] <WiLd_TiGeR> I`m bullgarian and I dont speak English very well
[11:21] <Hawkwind> WiLd_TiGeR: There are people from all over the world there in #Freenode that can help you
[11:22] <Hawkwind> WiLd_TiGeR: #Freenode is the help channel for the network unlike this channel that is a help channel for a specific linux distro
[11:22] <WiLd_TiGeR> ok
[11:22] <WiLd_TiGeR> thank you
[11:24] <sysrpl> when installing programs (in my case a pascal compiler) what directory is a good place to put it? the default is pointing me to /usr or /usr/local but a guide says /opt/fpc/bin/fpc
[11:24] <gatekeeper> evening all
[11:26] <uniq> sysrpl: I would've used /usr/local but some people use /opt.
[11:26] <sja> and I'd use /usr/local/bin -- take your pick
[11:27] <sysrpl> i have no idea what the different direcories are for on linx other than my home directory
[11:27] <sysrpl> i used /opt/fpc/bin/fpc
[11:27] <h3sp4wn> Why not ~/bin
[11:27] <uniq> sja: sure, /usr/local/bin /usr/local/share.. I figure it would include more than one binary file.
[11:29] <sja> there's a decent description of the linux directory structure at http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/linuxdir.html
[11:29] <sysrpl> crap, is there a deltree comand in linux?
[11:29] <sja> rm -rf
[11:29] <sja> be REAL careful with that one
[11:32] <Sansana> hi
[11:33] <sysrpl> is ~/.bash_profile like an autoexec.bat?
[11:34] <sja> more or less ... you also have ~/.bashrc
[11:34] <h3sp4wn> Not really
[11:34] <h3sp4wn> autoexec.bat would be more like /etc/rc.local
[11:35] <sysrpl> well when does ~/.bash_profile get executed?
[11:36] <h3sp4wn> When a login shell is executed
[11:36] <sysrpl> so each terminal window i open runs it?
[11:36] <sysrpl> or only when i login at the kubuntu login screen?
[11:37] <sja> .bash_profile is usually used to read .bashrc, if it's defined, and to set user specific environment and startup programs
[11:37] <sysrpl> so my two above questions
[11:39] <amarokker> Hi, can anyone try and see if you can access this: http://fcn.twilightparadox.com/
[11:41] <abattoir> amarokker: Could not connect to host fcn.twilightparadox.com.
[11:41] <sja> sysrpi -> don't remember -- I BELIEVE they execute only for the current session
[11:41] <amarokker> abattoir: - k, thanks
[11:41] <|lostbyte|> amarokker, , your subdomain aint working..
[11:41] <sja> ie, current terminal session ... but don't bank on that .. check man bash
[11:43] <sysrpl> thats cool ... i edited it to include the the path of a program i installed
[11:43] <sysrpl> but now i need to resolve the package is libgtk2.0-dev dependcies problems keeping it from being installed
[11:44] <gatekeeper> amarokker: you could always test it yourself via a free proxy server: http://www.techdebates.com/people/william/?page_id=31
[11:44] <sja> are you trying to install it via apt or synaptic?
[11:46] <amarokker> Yeah- gatekeeper- thanks. I think the problem might be the networking itself- i have an eagle-usb modem connecting me to the internet- i dont know how to get it to work through the NIC
[11:46] <sysrpl> sja: both
[11:46] <sysrpl> sja: i get the same break on both
[11:47] <sysrpl> conflicts with depends on libpango1.0-dev and libcairo2-dev; broken packages
[11:47] <sja> sysrpl -> then sorry, don't know, never tried to install it and I thought that apt would resolve the dependencies for you
[11:47] <sysrpl> thanks though
[11:48] <sysrpl> i don't even know where to begin searching on how to fix the issue
[11:48] <DaSkreech> sysrpl: Don't trust libcairo2-dev :)
[11:48] <sja> you might try apt-get --fix-broken
[11:48] <osh> what was the command to change java version?
[11:49] <sja> see ...http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/man/man8/apt-get.8.html
[11:50] <sysrpl> i wote and compiled a hello world command line app. why do i have to type ./hello to run it rather than just typing hello ?
[11:51] <sja> sudo update-alternatives --config java
[11:51] <etness> kubuntu version powerpc is only for 64 bit?
[11:52] <sja> sysrpl -> always wondered about that myself ... saw a good explanation once but don't remember what it was
[11:53] <sysrpl> maybe to prevent people from accidentlly running programs?
[11:53] <uniq> etness: no, 32bit.
[11:54] <sysrpl> though if the program is in the path you on't need to prepend the name with special characters
[11:54] <uniq> sysrpl: because the directory where 'hello' is is not in your PATH environment variable.
[11:55] <satafterh> anyone know of a good pitcure editing software for linux?
[11:55] <uniq> sysrpl: if you run 'echo $PATH' you will get a list of directories where the shell searches for binaries to execute without the ./
[11:55] <sysrpl> ty
[11:56] <uniq> you can add '.' to PATH if you want to.
[11:57] <sysrpl> well i can't build lazarus without installing libgtk2.0-dev
[11:57] <sysrpl> but libgtk2.0-dev refuses to install
[11:57] <sysrpl> :(
[11:57] <uniq> what is the error?
[11:57] <sysrpl> conflicts with depends on libpango1.0-dev and libcairo2-dev; broken packages
[11:58] <sysrpl> conflicts with depends on libpango1.0-dev and libcairo2-dev; broken packages 4 h3sp4wn
[11:58] <Hawkwind> sysrpl: I've got the same problem, as does DaSkreech
[11:58] <sysrpl> lol
[11:59] <h3sp4wn> sysrpl: I have had that problem before but I can't remember how I got round it what are you trying to compile ?
[11:59] <uniq> i can install libgtk2.0-dev without any problems. what's the conflicting package?
[11:59] <sysrpl> lazarus-0.9.10-0.tar.gz
[12:00] <Hawkwind> uniq: http://pastebin.ca/79094
[12:00] <sysrpl> the conflicting packages are libpango1.0-dev and libcairo2-dev
[12:00] <Hawkwind> uniq: Maybe that will help you a bit with this problem
[12:00] <uniq> hawkwind: thanks.. will take a look.
[12:01] <kbrooks>  /join #python
[12:01] <kbrooks> er
[12:02] <uniq> hawkwind: is this edgy
[12:02] <uniq> ?
[12:02] <Hawkwind> uniq: No, this is Dapper
[12:02] <Hawkwind> uniq: DaSkreech and I both have the issue currently
[12:02] <uniq> hawkwind: ok, can you run 'apt-cache madsion  libcairo2' and paste the output to a paste-page?
[12:03] <Hawkwind> uniq: Invalid operation: madsion
[12:03] <Hawkwind> uniq: Should that be madison ?
[12:03] <uniq> hawkwind: sorry, yes. madison
[12:04] <sysrpl> bbiab going to cook some spaghetti
[12:04] <Hawkwind> uniq: http://pastebin.ca/79095
[12:05] <uniq> hawkwind: ok, the unofficial http://www.beerorkid.com and http://xgl.compiz.info archives makes problems for you.
[12:06] <uniq> hawkwind: sudo apt-get install libcairo2=1.0.4-0ubuntu1
[12:06] <sysrpl> jesus spaghetti has a lot of calories ... over 1000 per serving
[12:07] <Hawkwind> uniq: Would it be best if I remove those sources since I don't use compiz/XGL ?
[12:08] <uniq> hawkwind: yes.