[00:40] <glaucous> Is there a frontend for lm-sensors so that you can change fanspeed directly?
[00:42] <Lars_G> sigh
[00:43] <Lars_G> Meerkat is kinda slow on my netbook. I think I'll go with xfce4 :P, dillo, irssi and pine
[00:56] <TDNet|VPS> hello
[00:56] <TDNet|VPS> i just installed kubuntu 10.10 beta
[00:57] <TDNet|VPS> and how do i get device drivers beta version for kubuntu 10.10
[00:57] <TDNet|VPS> so i can use a higher resolution such as 1440x900
[01:33] <jjman6> I have no audio in miro but no problems with all other apps, running in kubuntu 10.04 64bit i noticed the problem in 9.10 also, any ideas.
[01:34] <mika__> Evening....can noobs ask questions in this channel?
[01:35] <elslunko> mika__: Of course!
[01:35] <progre55> mika__: give it a shot )
[01:36] <elslunko> Though you might get noobs like myself trying to answer it :P
[01:38] <mika__> well, i am wondering if the 32-bit kubuntu edition would solve my linux problems...
[01:40] <mika__> i keep going back to windows (and a week later reformatting because i can't stand it anymore) because of mostly flash.
[01:40] <mika__> where would the 32-bit linux flash be on a scale between the choppy 64-bit performance and regular windows version performance?
[01:42] <elslunko> mika__: Couldn't say. I haven't used the 32bit in quite a while. What are your system specs more or less.
[01:43] <mika__> ummm... athlon II quad 2.8GHz, 4 gb ram, onboard radeon hd4200
[01:47] <elslunko> mika__: I believe it should run okay though I'm not too familiar with ati cards.
[01:47] <elslunko> mika__: What flash sites give you the biggest problems? All of them?
[01:48] <elslunko> mika__: I'll tell you this, it will not likely ever run as well as it does in windows.
[01:49] <iop>  I use Akregator to save everyday updates of xkcd.com. Akregator updated the comics only till some date, but i need pr
[01:49] <mika__> pretty much, yes. videos on cnn are choppy. i like flash-based facebook games, like farmville, but half the application twitches and flashes randomly and is sluggish
[01:50] <iop> I use Akregator to save everyday updates of xkcd.com. Akregator updated the comics only till some date, but i need previous comics as well// how can i do that?
[01:52] <craig> I'm having trouble finding reliable info about the current versions of all of the various *buntus.  Where do I find what kernel options are used etc...  I really need to find a reliable Dom0 Xen 4.0.X compatible distro that will just work OOB.  Does such a thing even currently exist or not?  I can't rebuild the kernel due to needing special SledgeHammer related Open64 optimizations yet there's no Kubuntu binary on AMD's Developer Site ):
[01:52] <craig> ...
[01:54] <craig> GCC doesn't like this PC: I can't fix it either without patches at the very least...
[01:59] <craig> What I really need is either a hacked GCC that won't bomb on me or better still a llvm that's capable of accepting SledgeHammer optimization flags...  Surely this must be doable...
[02:01] <craig> I even found posts on AMD's on forums saying benchmarks of certain CPU intensive apps run 30-40 percent faster on average when compiled using Open64 with the correct mtune & compiler flags...
[02:03] <craig> own*
[02:04] <iop> I use Akregator to save everyday updates of xkcd.com. Akregator updated the comics only till some date, but i need previous comics as well// how can i do that?
[02:07] <craig> If someone could tell me how to do hack apt-get or aptitude based source build I would consider contributing the bins if I can get it to compile correctly without it bombing mid-way through...
[02:07] <craig> how to*
[02:10] <craig> The problem is you have to create a .info file & .patch file which has to be referenced properly in the apt-get built-in database.  It works on Macs using an ancient build of apt-get but you have to either use the Apple supplied GCC or a specially built shell script Bash based build which must be Altivec patched...
[02:13] <craig> It would also require an overhaul/upgrade of the Fink apt-get .pl Perl script front-end: the entire build is apt-get automated using apt-get/dpkg based dependency upgrade/downgrade via Gnu Autotools .debs in order to hack the build system...: it's not pretty but at least it works enough to produce a binary...
[02:16] <craig> I've coaxed old Macs including a eMac &  a AlBook G4 into building KDE 3.5.10 & KDE 4.4.1 using the automated build system...  So assuming you can install either Fink or tell apt-get to use the .PL script for certain builds it should work in theory at least...
[02:18] <craig> The builds do take forever but the binaries are useable if you can get good enough GCC & Gfortran optimization coverage: big-endian Darwin is about as close to a GNU autotools nightmare as you can get...
[02:19] <elijah> I went to system settings/ removable devices and set my ntfs volumes to mount on boot. They mounted before that anyways but I get a password prompt for each volume, everytime I reboot. How can I stop these password nags?
[02:21] <craig> The real issue is making sure the autotools like M4 in particular are current: bugs in GNU M4 have crashed countless Fink builds of mine & I still can't get Xcdroast 0.98 Alpha 16 to build by upgrading the system-wide autotools & linking with bins in /sw manually...
[02:25] <craig> At least yours mount correctly: mine won't even mount at all...
[02:27] <craig> Who is the keeper of the apt-get autobuild how-tos for either this community or the main Debian one...  I'm desperate to find the answers that I need to make this PC work correctly...
[02:27] <craig> Debian one...?
[02:29] <craig> Fedora has RPM-build so surely the apt-get build machinery must work to some extent anyways...  Isn't that where packages for Stable/Testing/Unstable & all the varoious *buntus come from...?
[02:30] <craig> Or do I need to fill out some Open64 autobuild request waver/form to request a *buntus compatible build...?
[02:33] <craig> Or better yet a Sid compatible build so AMD64 Sidux might work better on this PC...  I would say Testing except it has it has already been frozen for a big upcoming release...
[02:36] <elijah> craig: I can't help you much, I am a noob still
[02:38] <craig> Right: I may have to buy a license or RHEL for this PC: AMD only currently offers binaries for that distro ATM.  Ugh...!
[02:38] <craig> for RHEL*
[02:39] <elijah> I like Kubuntu but can't wait till I understand it better so I can submit usability improvement suggestions to make it even better.
[02:41] <craig> Good news: I just found out there's a RHEL 6 Beta 2 download available...  I hope it's actually usable for desktop use...: that's what scares me to be perfectly honest...
[02:43] <jmichaelx> craig: btw, you can almost without doubt use CentOS instead of RHEL. it should be 100% compatible, with no need for purchasing support license
[02:44] <craig> I tried CentOS already: the installer crashed/stalled on me...
[02:45] <jmichaelx> craig: if the CentOS installer crashes on you, the RHEL installer will very likely do the same, as they are probably identical
[02:45] <craig> This thing hates every distro I've tried including Fedora Core 13: I tried burning Rawhide too & it doesn't seem to like this PC's hardware at all one bit: what a disaster...
[02:46] <jmichaelx> craig: what sort of hardware does it have that gives you so much grief?
[02:48] <craig> Broadcom BCM2045 & a Validity VSF201 fingerprint reader/scanner...  If the distros were SledgeHammer optimized I suspect it would run anything out there well but they refuse to do so because of the ensuing backwards compatibility nightmare that would result for other users...
[02:49] <jmichaelx> is the broadcom your ethernet or wireless adapter?
[02:50] <craig> Not just any Broadcom BCM2045 either: a HP Integrated module that requires periodic firmware upgrades...: which reminds me: I still haven't found any .dfu files for this thing to upgrade it to Bluetooth 2.1+EDR...
[02:50] <craig> It's a Bluetooth module if you must know...
[02:51] <jmichaelx> ok, gotcha.
[02:51] <craig> I also can't figure out if the GPU firmware is being loaded properly/at all either...
[02:52] <jmichaelx> i tend to avoid HP consumer-grade PCs as much as possible
[02:52] <minarge> hallo
[02:54] <craig> Also it uses a special Mobile version of the AMD/ATI M780G/SB750: the hardware PCI IDs that Windows reports are different from its Desktop counterpart too...
[02:55] <wer> ops
[02:55] <wer> !ops
[02:55] <jmichaelx> craig: have you managed to get any gnu/linux variant installed on this machine?
[02:55] <wer> !ops
[02:56] <craig> Yeah: but it never works right: something hardware/software related eventually breaks over time: bit rot ensues...
[02:56] <jmichaelx> wer: are you seeking to get banned?
[02:56] <Pici> wer: yes?
[02:56] <bazhang> wer, dont do that
[02:57] <wer> bazhang: What?
[02:57] <wer> jmichaelx: Its offending to be asked that
[02:57] <wer> jmichaelx: I would certainly ask for help
[02:57] <Pici> wer: Why are you calling for ops?
[02:57] <bazhang> wer, unnecessarily call that command in multiple channels (now 3)
[02:58] <craig> Maybe for some hardware tech support for me: beats me...
[02:58] <jmichaelx> wer: that you are offended does not matter. you should not do that unless there is some sort of emergency in the channel
[02:59] <wer> Pici: jmichaelx: Let me come to quetion
[03:00] <wer> bazhang: I use a router connected to desktops and netbooks, on the other side my other memebers are connected. They are asking for me
[03:00] <jmichaelx> craig: may i ask what the model number is for your machine?
[03:00] <craig> Pavilion dv6z-1100.  I can't even get PC-BSD installed: it installs but fails to boot upon Reboot: utterly rediculous I tell you...
[03:00] <wer> bazhang: And i am not interested in seeking help from you. Thank you.
[03:01] <wer> Pici: jmichaelx: How can i connect to #ubuntu?
[03:01] <wer> qwert: Please close that channel
[03:01] <jmichaelx> wer: you are not to call for the ops for support questions. you WILL get banned. how to connect to that channel depends on your irc client. try clicking on #ubuntu .
[03:02] <wer> jmichaelx: Its not responding
[03:03] <jmichaelx> wer: try entering '/join #ubuntu'
[03:03] <wer> jmichaelx: No its not
[03:03] <craig> Or do you want the other model number: NT593AV...?
[03:03] <jmichaelx> no, the number you gave is fine. i was just curious
[03:05] <wer> Pici: jmichaelx: bazhang: Trust me I'm not a spammer/cracker/ ..
[03:05] <IceC0LD> hulllo there .
[03:06] <jmichaelx> wer: it is nothing personal against you, but calling for ops to answer tech support questions is asking for trouble.
[03:06] <craig> How can I test for a failing hard drive: the UBCD in its current form is useless as is the WD Windows based Diagnostics software: I ask because the Restore Discs for this PC no longer work: I keep getting a error 1005 which according to the HP community indicated my HD is bad: the only gotcha is that it & the Quanta 3061 mobo were just replaced last June/July right before the warranty was up...
[03:06] <IceC0LD> got an issue with Kubuntu , when I try to pair my blutooth phone with Kbt it discovers it but it says "this device does not support input services"
[03:06] <wer> Pici: jmichaelx: bazhang: THank you. I only need to join #ubuntu
[03:07] <IceC0LD> what should I do ..
[03:07] <jmichaelx> wer: google is your friend
[03:08] <jmichaelx> craig: have you tried using the smartmontools?
[03:08] <craig> I also had to fix the BIOS: i.e. patch it manually in order to get SLIC 2.1 support for Win 7 (considering it was a free upgrade...).  No: I haven't tried that yet...
[03:09] <jmichaelx> sadly, there can sometimes be major compatibility issues between linux and certain laptops
[03:10] <wer> jmichaelx: For example?
[03:10] <craig> That & AHCI is unreliable with AMD's Win 7 x64 drivers too: the PC fails to boot Win 7 x64...
[03:10] <jmichaelx> wer: we are talking about an HP laptop that craig is struggling with
[03:10] <craig> After injecting the drivers manually...
[03:11] <craig> That & I can't use the NT Installer which no longer exists to load them via a USB floppy either...  Legacy USB support is broken too...
[03:12] <wer> jmichaelx: craig: I suppose this may help
[03:12] <wer> jmichaelx: craig: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/Machines/Netbooks
[03:14] <jmichaelx> craig: hate to say it, but you might want to consider selling it, and purchasing something with fewer compatibility issues... it all depends on how much patience and experience you have
[03:14] <craig> Would using the Netbook version remixed for AMD64 help...?
[03:15] <craig> I've been considering that option for quite a while now...
[03:15] <craig> I mean doing a manual remix...
[03:16] <elijah> Has anyone used the downloadable dolphin service "mountiso", I installed it but it is not showing like it says it should in the context menu.
[03:17] <jmichaelx> my original netbook was an everex cloudbook with a VIA MB and CPU. it even came with ubuntu pre-installed, which natually influenced me to think that it would be nicely compatible. it wasn't. after much fighting and days worth of driver patching & compiling, i sold it on ebay, and purchased a dell mini-9. problem solved...
[03:19] <wer> How to have Akreagator save old feeds (which it couldn't save) as well?
[03:19] <wer> jmichaelx: *
[03:19] <craig> What about submitting a Open64 build request...?  I've been looking for an excuse to do LFS on this thing for some time now anyways...  That might fix some of the optimization related issues...
[03:19] <jmichaelx> wer: my knowledge of akregator is minimal, although i intend to spend some time with it soon.
[03:20] <wer> jmichaelx: I have xkcd.com loaded as feed in it. But i cannot find previous posts of it.
[03:21] <jmichaelx> craig: you might also consider installing gentoo
[03:21] <wer> jmichaelx: Secondly, i was wondering if there is any program/package that saves pdf files from webpage (as in newsletters update)
[03:22] <craig> Maybe this PC might respond better to Xubuntu...?  There's a lot of KDE related bloat that might be causing issues on this thing...: I'm just grasping at straws here but it's just so crazy it might actually work...
[03:24] <craig> I could live without some of the KDE extras like the PIM stuff & Digikam too...
[03:24] <jmichaelx> craig: you could try it, but if this is all hardware related, i am not sure it would make much difference..... also, although i am a fan of xfce, i'm not much of a fan of xubuntu... it can hardly be called a lightweight distro
[03:25] <wer> jmichaelx: Is there any?
[03:25] <craig> What about PC/OS Workstation 10.1.1?
[03:27] <jmichaelx> craig: i have no experience with PC/OS. it almost seems to me that you may want to check out gentoo, and spend time playing around with optimizing your kernel for you specific hardware
[03:27] <elijah> Does anyone use NTFS partitions with Dolphin?
[03:28] <wer> elijah: yes
[03:28] <wer> elijah: Whats the issue?
[03:28] <elijah> wer: Do you get asked for a password everytime you initially access them after reboot?
[03:28] <elijah> Via Dolphin
[03:29] <wer> elijah: Only for once
[03:29] <craig> I also have a proprietary Meade DS-90 computer controlled telescope that I need to get working with Stellarium or Kstars if they would just port it already...  I need to quit using Windows if I possibly can: I only installed it for WINE really...
[03:29] <elijah> The password prompt doesn't say it is for them but it is
[03:29] <elijah> craig: Good idea on Xubuntu
[03:30] <wer> elijah: It says - Please enter your password to use this device
[03:30] <elijah> wer: Hmm, okay, thanks. I am trying to figure out how to get Dolphin to stop asking after boot
[03:31] <elijah> wer: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9835098
[03:31] <elijah> I just posted there
[03:31] <wer> elijah: Its by default to ask and it asks for external same drives only once
[03:31] <elijah> wer: YEah, but where do we turn it off?
[03:31] <jmichaelx> elijah: i am not sure, but could you just 'chown' that particular drive? i assume this wold work for an NTFS drive, but am not sure
[03:32] <craig> Should I go with Stable or the 10.10 Beta?  I must admit the Beta is quite tempting...
[03:32] <wer> elijah: Are the two partitions from different hds?
[03:32] <elijah> jmichaelx: Is that a hack?
[03:32] <elijah> wer: Two partitions, same HDD
[03:32] <elijah> From my windows install
[03:32] <jmichaelx> elijah: not a hack. it just changes permissions. i just don't know much about NTFS permissions
[03:32] <elijah> I want to migrate data eventually to my ext4 partitions
[03:33] <wer> elijah: Yeah right - try gksudo dolphin to change permissions for those drives if required
[03:33] <jmichaelx> elijah: youi may not want to try chown-ing that partiotion if it has a windows installation on it, though
[03:33] <elijah> jmichaelx: I have an external HFS+ partition mounted via USB also and it doesn't prompt for a password via dolphin, just the ntfs
[03:33] <wer> elijah: chown will not work
[03:34] <jmichaelx> wer: will chown only work on linux file systems?
[03:34] <wer> elijah: Only ntfs does it, right
[03:34] <elijah> wer: Yes
[03:34] <craig> NTFS can be quite a pain to administer too: i.e. doing Security Audits on the USN Journal & all...  WinNT 4.0 through WinXP doesn't even include a USN Journal Viewer...
[03:35] <elijah> wer: My main goal is to not have password prompts at startup
[03:35] <wer> elijah: Its not that its not possible to work it upon ntfs but chown primarily works for unix-like systems to alter owners with root active else chgrp
[03:36] <elijah> I had three, I put a blank password in for my KDE wallet because it kept wanting it for Wifi
[03:36] <elijah> wer: I think chowning it is a hack, I don;t want to do that.
[03:37] <wer> elijah: No its not hacking. Certainly not. regular users can use chgrp
[03:37] <wer> elijah: Did you try gksudo dolphin
[03:38] <terran4000> the 10.4 install cd isn't liking my ATI 5x00 ... is there a way to get to 'safe graphics mode' like in the olden' days?
[03:39] <elijah> What would gksudo dolphin do?
[03:39] <elijah> Also, how does gksudo differ from kdesuodo
[03:39] <elijah> I don't have gksudo, it wants me to install it
[03:40] <bazhang> kdesu dolphin
[03:40] <bazhang> elijah, use it with care though
[03:40] <wer> elijah: install and you can change permissions for user
[03:40] <wer> elijah: under ownership
[03:40] <bazhang> elijah, no need to install gksudo
[03:40] <elijah> wer: K, I will try
[03:41] <elijah> bazhang: kdesu not found
[03:41] <bazhang> elijah, what about kdesudo
[03:41] <elijah> bazhang: that works but I don't know how to use it to change user permissions
[03:42] <elijah> kdesudo dolphin just opens dolphin
[03:42] <bazhang> elijah, for ntfs?
[03:43] <elijah> My problem is that Kubuntu/Dolphin asks me for a password everytime I reboot for each NTFS partition. I know the password, I just don't want to have to enter it every reboot.
[03:44] <elijah> I want to boot my computer and be up and running
[03:44] <bazhang> elijah, added it to fstab?
[03:44] <wer> elijah: click on that drive
[03:44] <elijah> adding it to fstab is just for mounting right, I tried that too
[03:45] <elijah> the drives are mounted just fine
[03:45] <wer> elijah: open it and then within the same gksudo window got to root> media> disk
[03:45] <elijah> if i cancel the password prompts
[03:46] <elijah> wer: Ok, I did that
[03:46] <elijah> that works
[03:47] <elijah> what do I do next to ignore password at boot?
[03:47] <wer> jmichaelx: now right click that drive within gksudo window and change the owner
[03:47] <wer> elijah: It asks because its for root and not for user
[03:47] <elijah> wer: Well, I am not actually in gksudo
[03:47] <elijah> I typed kdesudo dolphin
[03:47] <elijah> Should I get gksudo?
[03:48] <wer> go back to konsole and type gksudo dolphin
[03:48] <elijah> it isn't installed
[03:48] <elijah> I will get it now
[03:49] <wer> elijah: Its less than 1 mb, install and get into media and right click the disk which is mounted(ntfs)..
[03:50] <elijah> wer: I can't install it, package manager doesn't show it in a search and if I do sudo apt-get install gksudo it says it isn't available
[03:50] <jmichaelx> gksudo is for gtk apps, not qt apps
[03:50] <elijah> "but is referred to by another package"?....
[03:51] <wer> gksu gives graphical interface for sudo
[03:51] <wer> gksu
[03:51] <bazhang> for gtk apps
[03:51] <jmichaelx> gksu is ONLY for gtk apps. for qt apps, use kdesu
[03:51] <bazhang> this is #kubuntu  thus qt and kdesu/kdesudo
[03:52] <wer> jmichaelx: But it works for dolphin
[03:52] <elijah> If I just type kdesudo, it says " no command larguments supplied!... kdesudo will now exit"
[03:52] <jmichaelx> wer: dolphin may go ahead and start, but you should not use gksu with qt apps
[03:53] <wer> elijah: did you try gksu for dolphin alone?
[03:53] <elijah> I right clicked in dolphin via kdesudo and have a permissions tab where it lists root as owner
[03:53] <jmichaelx> elijah: did you type 'kdesudo doplphin'?
[03:53] <wer> sudo apt-get install gksu
[03:53] <elijah> jmichaelx: yes
[03:53] <jmichaelx> dolphin*
[03:53] <elijah> wer: That doesn't work
[03:54] <craig> I couldn't help but notice that the newer Xubuntu 10.10 Beta features a 2.6.35 Kernel...  Should I burn the stable Release or the Beta: I'm just not sure which one would work better...
[03:54] <wer> okay.. i am surprised though. Try what jmichaelx says rest is same what i suggested..
[03:54] <elijah> wer: http://typr.in/7wjy
[03:54] <jmichaelx> elijah: 'kdesudo dolphin' works here, though it takes a bit to start
[03:55] <elijah> jmichaelx: Yeah, that works fine for me, I get dolphin, as root I  suppose
[03:55] <wer> elijah: Right
[03:55] <wer> elijah:Now go to media
[03:55] <elijah> I navigate to my ntfs part. and right click, properties, permissions, that is where I am
[03:55] <wer> elijah: okay
[03:55] <jmichaelx> elijah: however, i think i would have tried using 'chown' from the command line, as i presume that is what dolphin is going to be using anyways
[03:55] <wer> do you see ownership?
[03:55] <elijah> ownership says "root"
[03:56] <wer> it would be for the drive
[03:56] <elijah> for user
[03:56] <wer> elijah: you can change it for your username, now it won't ask
[03:57] <elijah> wer: K, I will restart now to test, brb
[03:57] <wer> elijah: If you think you want to chown/chgrp, we may help on that
[03:57] <wer> jmichaelx: I guess that should work for the whole drive
[03:57] <jmichaelx> wer: i think chown is what dolphin would have used to do what you just instructed him to do
[03:57] <craig> Are there any big hardware related changes that 2.6.35 brings to the table...?  I've heard on kernel.org that my Atheros Wi-Fi might work better with it: should I ever feel the need for full 802.11n support...
[03:58] <jmichaelx> wer: it would work for a file, a dir or a drive... whatever you tell it to do
[03:59] <wer> jmichaelx: yeah.. but its quite risky with chown rather with chgrp it would be easy
[03:59] <wer> elijah: Did it work?
[03:59] <jmichaelx> wer: why is it risky with chown?
[03:59] <wer> jmichaelx: Risky for non linux filesystems
[03:59] <craig> Due to the NTFS USN Journal: it's considered to be a NT Security Hazard...
[03:59] <jmichaelx> wer: that may very well be.
[04:00] <wer> jmichaelx: risky for NTFS alone
[04:00] <jmichaelx> gotcha
[04:00] <wer> elijah: Did it work?
[04:00] <wer> Sorry for repition
[04:00] <elijah> wer: I think I have to do a full reboot and not just logout, but either way I just checked to see if the user change stuck and it doesn't appear to have stuck, it is back to root now.
[04:00] <jmichaelx> craig: i'd say give the beta a spin. it couldn't hurt
[04:01] <wer> jmichaelx: Shall we suggest chown/chgrp?
[04:01] <elijah> wer: Yeah, I change it via rooted dolphin and as soon as I leave it gets changed back
[04:01] <elijah> I still want to boot my one partition
[04:01] <jmichaelx> craig: i know that ndiswrapper is still often used with certain atheros wireless chipsets, maybe that will be less necessary with the new kernel
[04:01] <elijah> if I have to for some reason
[04:02] <wer> elijah: It would neve affect mbr for booting
[04:02] <jmichaelx> wer: if chowning an NTFS drive is discouraged, we probably should just not use it
[04:02] <wer> jmichaelx: but chgrp?
[04:02] <jmichaelx> wer: i have seldon used chgrp, but that *might* be the way to go
[04:02] <elijah> Alright, I am going to give up on this for tonight
[04:02] <wer> elijah: It would neve affect mbr for booting Windows, if thats what you are worried about
[04:02] <jmichaelx> seldom*
[04:03] <craig> I've got a problem here: the DistroWatch ISO Download link is broken...
[04:03] <craig> It redirects to the 10.04 stable release...
[04:04] <wer> elijah: Oh.. I guess chgrp would help if you need
[04:04] <elijah> Small question though, is it possible to get an "up one level" button in the dolphin toolbar?
[04:04] <elijah> wer: maybe I will just sleep it forever and never reboot :)
[04:04] <elijah> Not ideal but a workaround for now
[04:04] <wer> elijah: You have non-editable Location for that
[04:05] <jmichaelx> craig: there are a lot of mirrors. also bittorrent. here is one mirror: http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/DVDs/ubuntu/10.10/beta/
[04:05] <wer> elijah: Whats the problem if it asks for only once?
[04:05] <elijah> wer: Ok, I guess that works,
[04:05] <elijah> wer: It is a poor user experience
[04:05] <elijah> for the second question
[04:06] <wer> elijah:Umm.. I mean its upto you :)
[04:06] <elijah> When I first installed Kubuntu, I had three password prompts, 4 if you counted wifi
[04:06] <elijah> after login
[04:06] <wer> elijah:Second question - You have non-editable Location for that
[04:06] <elijah> 2 for the ntfs partitions, 1 for kdewallet
[04:06] <craig> Actually BitTorrent works where as Konq lacks a built-in file downloader...): I found that out the hard way before...
[04:06] <elijah> wer: Oh, sorry, I mean the non-edotable location wokrs good!
[04:07] <wer> elijah:okay
[04:07] <jmichaelx> craig: i tend to just use wget for large ftp and http downloads
[04:07] <elijah> wer: I finally gave up trying to figure out KDEwallet and wifi and just gave kdewallet a blank password even though it is discouraged
[04:08] <jmichaelx> craig: much nices than using a browser... can be paused or restarted if connection is lost
[04:08] <jmichaelx> nicer*
[04:08] <craig> Actually KGet appears to be much faster than Wget anyways on this PC...
[04:08] <craig> Errr: I meant to say KTorrent...
[04:09] <jmichaelx> craig: i have use kget some, but not that familiar with it. i would have assumed that at least to some extent, it was just a wget frontend
[04:09] <wer> elijah: oh..
[04:09] <wer> jmichaelx: Am i doing any ettiquites misatakes?
[04:09] <jmichaelx> craig: yeah, torrenting can be much faster
[04:09] <jmichaelx> wer: not at all...... sorry, i am just doing several things at once
[04:10] <wer> jmichaelx: Oh.. no its fine. And thanks for reminding about kdesudo over gksudo :)
[04:11] <craig> Now if only they had a .jigdo file available & jigdo came pre-installed: hmm: that might be a good feature request for the upcoming *buntus releases...
[04:11] <jmichaelx> craig: i've never used jigdo, but it seems to me that jigdo downloads were once available, and possibly still are
[04:12] <craig> I only wish they would fix that horrible broken Jigdo-file GUI front-end...: the AMD64 one is missing in both dirs...
[04:12] <wer> craig: Could you link me to the iso download link?
[04:13] <craig> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/10.10/beta/.
[04:13] <wer> craig: 32/64? intel?
[04:13] <craig> 64.
[04:15] <craig> Whenever MacPorts tries to build the Jigdo GUI front-end I can't get it to work right in 10.4.11 or 10.5.8...
[04:15] <wer> torrent is working perfect with me here
[04:15] <craig> No: the .jigdo file is misssing...
[04:16] <craig> I love using Jigdo for long Fedora Core or Debian Stable/Testing downloads...
[04:17] <wer> craig: you will have to use zsync.. its pretty good
[04:18] <wer> craig:you will have to untar if you wish to use that client
[04:18] <craig> What the heck is zsync...?  Another Jigdo UI?
[04:18] <elijah> wer jmichaelx: got it
[04:19] <elijah> I downloaded ntfs-config and it worked
[04:19] <BajK> What kind of iso image of Kubuntu do I need for installation on an EFI configuration?
[04:19] <wer> elijah: Thats great :)
[04:22] <wer> craig: Do you have zsync installed?
[04:22] <craig> No: what is it exactly?
[04:22] <wer> craig: I tested zsync on the beta release and its working
[04:23] <wer> and speed is perfect as well
[04:23] <craig> I just want a GUI for Jigdo for Mac OS X...
[04:23] <wer> Oh..
[04:23] <wer> Which os you are now on?
[04:24] <craig> That doesn't matter: both of my Macs are also equipped with DVD burners...
[04:24] <wer> So if you need xubuntu, i can suggest for zsync now
[04:25] <wer> for mac as well
[04:25] <wer> !info zsync |craig
[04:26] <craig> No: Jigdo is wget based so that won't exactly work with jigdo-file...
[04:27] <wer> craig: I'm quite confused now. What do you need exactly? Xubuntu beta 10.10 release iso right?
[04:27] <craig> No: I need a working cross-platform GUI front-end to jigdo-file...
[04:28] <wer> craig:for?
[04:28] <craig> I'm trying to avoid using the Terminal whenever possible...
[04:29] <wer> craig: is your mac intel based?
[04:30] <craig> Nope: PowerPC...
[04:30] <wer> craig:http://jigdoosx.berlios.de/downloads
[04:31] <craig> I've tried that too: it's horribly broken...
[04:31] <wer> AquaJidgo?
[04:31] <wer> in binary
[04:31] <craig> Yes: broken too.
[04:32] <wer> did you check file size downloaded to be same as intended?
[04:32] <craig> Yeah: Only the CLI jigdo-file works for me without stalling mid-way through.
[04:32] <wer> elijah: Why you had to go for ntfs-config?
[04:32] <elijah> Even though mount iso is marked as implemented in Nautilus that doesn't mean KDE and dolphin right -->> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/item/194/
[04:33] <elijah> wer: Why? Cuz I was desperate for a solution! :)
[04:33] <elijah> Now I am trying to eaisly mount iso images
[04:33] <wer> elijah: Yah.. but okay.. thats good :)
[04:33] <elijah> Dolphin should do this out of the box
[04:34] <elijah> wer: Why, was there a better way?
[04:34] <wer> elijah: whats your question exactly?
[04:34] <elijah> I want to double click an ISO and have it mount
[04:34] <wer> elijah: Do you have ark?
[04:35] <elijah> I went to Dolphin config > services > downloaded mountiso and it doesn't work
[04:35] <wer> elijah: oh to have it mount..
[04:35] <elijah> I don't know what Ark is?
[04:35] <wer> elijah: if you want to open iso to see contents thn its easy with Ark-KDE archiving tool.
[04:35] <elijah> maybe mountiso doesn't work with new Kubuntu
[04:36] <elijah> I guess that sort of works, but ideally I would like it as a disk on the left side of Dolphin
[04:36] <wer> If you want to mount.. there is an easy way
[04:37] <elijah> Ok, ark is on my context menu
[04:37] <elijah> That works for  now
[04:37] <wer> Hold
[04:38] <wer> I can suggest for mounting it via scripts other via terminal commands.. what do you prefer?
[04:38] <wer> Else there is a GUI based to mount image file using Gmount-iso
[04:41] <wer> elijah: ??
[04:43] <elijah> wer: Neither of those are what I am looking for, I am looking for double click ideally, worst case right click contextual menu.
[04:44] <wer> elijah: Use Gmountiso from package then
[04:44] <wer> elijah: Its what you need
[04:45] <elijah> wer: K, it's installed
[04:45] <elijah> wer: Where is it located?
[04:45] <wer> !info gmountiso | elijah
[04:45] <wer> system tools
[04:46] <wer> in System from applications
[04:46] <wer> elijah: It worked for you?
[04:47] <elijah> wer: Closer, it shows in "open with" and I click it then hit mount and it throws error, "an error occured not found"
[04:47] <elijah> mount point is blank
[04:47] <wer> elijah: Could you find gmountiso from Applications>System?
[04:48] <elijah> wer: Yes
[04:48] <elijah> wer: It gives the same screen as context menu
[04:48] <wer> elijah: Same screen as context menu?
[04:49] <wer> elijah: Do you see option to chose image file, mount point?
[04:49] <elijah> wer: Yes, when I open via system tools it gives me the same screen as when i open through context menu
[04:49] <elijah> yeah, I see all those
[04:49] <elijah> When I open through context menu ut files in the image file path
[04:49] <elijah> I hit mount, then it gives error
[04:49] <wer> elijah: What mount point point did you choose?
[04:50] <elijah> mount point is blank
[04:50] <wer> elijah: lol.. how will it mount then?
[04:51] <elijah> wer: I don't know
[04:51] <wer> Well.. its not exactly you wish to have as in nautilus but its very close to that
[04:51] <elijah> I tried entering a path but that didn't work
[04:51] <wer> What path did you type?
[04:51] <elijah> Can I install Nautilus in KDE?
[04:51] <wer> yes
[04:51] <wer> sudo apt-get install nautilus
[04:52] <wer> but its not advisabel
[04:52] <elijah> I typed /media and /home/elijah/Videos
[04:52] <wer> The package whih we works as well
[04:52] <elijah> neither worked
[04:52] <wer> hold on
[04:52] <wer> it need an empty folder
[04:53] <wer> Try: /media/hello/ (where hello is empty folder) and same for the other... /videos/disk/
[04:53] <wer> wher disk "in Videos" is empty folder
[04:54] <wer> elijah: Worked?
[04:55] <elijah> it won't let me create anything in media
[04:56] <elijah> /home/elijah/Videos/disk failed too
[04:56] <elijah> The folder is capital V
[04:56] <wer> elijah: you shouldn't as it needs permission. Create a new folder in Videos and follow /home/elijah/Videos/(New folder name)
[04:56] <elijah> I created teh folder disk
[04:57] <wer> Try this /home/elijah/Videos/Hello
[04:57] <wer> Hello as new folder
[04:57] <elijah> /home/elijah/Videos/Hello
[04:57] <elijah> An error occured not found
[04:57] <wer> is Hello folder created?
[04:58] <elijah> yes
[04:58] <wer> Whats the error?
[04:59] <elijah> exactly " An error occured not found"
[04:59] <wer> Its working properly here with me
[04:59] <wer> You need to try proper location
[05:01] <wer> !hello
[05:01] <elijah> wer: Thanks for all your help tonight!
[05:01] <elijah> I am going sleepy
[05:01] <wer> elijah: it worked? :)
[05:01] <elijah> wer: No, but I give up
[05:02] <wer> elijah: okay.. next time. :)
[05:02] <elijah> wer: Yup!
[05:02] <elijah> Cheers!
[05:23] <wer_> Apologies
[05:23] <wer_> HEllo
[05:24] <wer_> !repeat
[05:25] <wer_> !ops | nhandler
[05:25] <wer_> Sorry
[05:25] <wer_> I want Mamorok help
[05:26] <nhandler> Uh, what's up wer_ ?
[05:26] <wer_> for Amarok... if you remeber you've helped me before
[05:26] <bazhang> wer_, why do that again?
[05:26] <bazhang> that's 4 times in the past hour or so
[06:26] <DaveWM> what's the best way to completely disable kdm ?
[06:27] <DaveWM> from starting automatically anyway
[06:27] <DaveWM> i just wanna use startx to start kde if i choose to
[06:35] <redwolf> trippy, amorak is playing sounds at a slower than normal speed
[06:35] <redwolf> sounds like I have a dying tape deck...
[06:41] <jmichaelx> DaveWM: would it be possible to just remove kdm and then install xinit?
[06:42] <DaveWM> jmichaelx :  probably,  but i'm not sure how to remove kdm without it wanting to remove the entire kde desktop
[06:42] <DaveWM> i think i may have figured out a way though
[06:42] <DaveWM> just renamed the kdm.conf in /etc/init
[06:42] <DaveWM> takes me straight to tty1 login now
[06:43] <DaveWM> still shows the plymouth splash for a sec,  but that's ok i suppose
[06:43] <DaveWM> it was getting stuck on the plymouth splash about every other reboot,  not sure why,  i'd rather login at console anyway
[06:44] <jmichaelx> DaveWM: it may say that it is going to remove 'kubuntu-desktop', but it is only that meta-package that will be removed... i do not think anything on your system will have changed, except that kdm was removed
[06:44] <DaveWM> i don't really see much use in login managers
[06:44] <DaveWM> jmichaelx : ah,  yea I didnt think about it possibly just being a meta package
[06:44] <jmichaelx> DaveWM: i just finished making an ubuntu forums post about the same problem with plymouth getting stuck about 1 minute ago
[06:44] <DaveWM> oh well,  works this way
[06:45] <DaveWM> jmichaelx : link ?
[06:45] <jmichaelx> DaveWM: here is the link, but there has been no solution posted: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1474444
[06:45] <DaveWM> although i suppose it doesnt matter too much now anyway,  i like the console login,  since sometimes i won't be using the desktop
[06:46] <DaveWM> jmichaelx :  yea same exact thing here
[06:47] <kalg> DaveWM, remove plymouth at boot
[06:47] <kalg> using grub
[06:47] <DaveWM> jmichaelx : can't even change to other tty's,  but i noticed every so often it would go to the login,  after a few reboots
[06:47] <DaveWM> kind of random
[06:47] <jmichaelx> DaveWM: are you also using proprietary graphics drivers?
[06:47] <DaveWM> jmichaelx : yeah,  for nvidia
[06:47] <DaveWM> GTX 275
[06:48] <jmichaelx> DaveWM: yeah, i just reboot.... sometimes it takes 2, 3 or occasionally even 4 reboots, then it eventually works
[06:48] <DaveWM> kalg :  what's the setting for that ?  i know its something in grub_cmdline_linux in the configuration file just don't remember what it is ?
[06:49] <kalg> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1536758
[06:49] <DaveWM> jmichaelx :  well if you don't mind console login like i do,  renaming the kdm.conf seems to work wonderfully
[06:49] <jmichaelx> to me it seems like there should be info on kubuntu.org when major things like this come up. with kubuntu, things like this seem to never get addressed
[06:50] <jmichaelx> DaveWM: i think i may just disable plymouth instead
[06:51] <kalg> I just commented out the line "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="splash"" in /etc/default/grub
[06:51] <kalg> and ran update-grub
[06:51] <kalg> now splash screen won't pop up and no hang ups since then
[06:52] <jmichaelx> i would never recommend kubuntu to a new linux user
[06:53] <sea4ever> Huh..hey for some reason amarok refuses to use the mySQL database of tracks on my laptop
[06:53] <jmichaelx> kalg: i just followed in your footsteps
[06:54] <jmichaelx> DaveWM: i will keep that in mind
[06:54] <sea4ever> Ah, I think I figured it out. Nevermind.
[06:55] <DaveWM> jmichaelx :  i think what annoys me sometimes is that there's just too many ways to go about anything,  each with pro's and con's,  i never know what is the preffered method of doing something
[06:55] <DaveWM> heh
[06:57] <DaveWM> kalg :  ah,  i didnt realize that could all be handles from grub,  so putting text that option takes me to terminal login,  basically it disables kdm from starting i guess,  using "nosplash"  doesnt seem to matter though,  still has the kubuntu splash up and is getting stuck atm,  so i guess i'll just go with the text option and stick with the console login
[06:57] <jmichaelx> DaveWM: that is why i think kubuntu.org should provide guidance with issues like this... there were some major issues in 9.10 for a while for anyone who also had gnome installed. the only way around for me for a while was to switch to GDM. a new user would have just been stuck
[06:57] <DaveWM> thanks for that tidbit
[06:58] <DaveWM> jmichaelx :  yeah its one of the reasons i've gotten to dislike login managers,  just another process running between you and what you're wanting to do that doesnt really provide for very much
[06:59] <DaveWM> most of the time i end up just installing a bare console / server style system,  without any packages,  and then just install the core packages for the x server and desktop
[06:59] <DaveWM> leaving out the login managers
[06:59] <DaveWM> there's still ways to get to startx automatically after you login,  and still don't need a login manager
[06:59] <jmichaelx> DaveWM: there is also value in seeing some of what is flying by upon booting up and shutting down... although with quicker boot and shutdown times, not as much is seen anymore
[07:00] <DaveWM> jmichaelx :  i think even somebody who isnt technically inclined and coming off of using windows or os x will still know what the console login is for,  not much else to be said when it asks for a username and password
[07:00] <DaveWM> heh
[07:01] <DaveWM> i mean i guess some of the accessibility options of the login manager are handy for many people,  and being able to choose between different desktop environments if you have more than one
[07:02] <jmichaelx> yeah, using startx, switching between different wm's and de's gets slightly more involved
[07:03] <DaveWM> ok,  so jmichaelx :  instead of renaming kde.conf,  just putting text in the /etc/defaults/grub LINUX_CMDLINE_DEFAULTS="text"  seems to be a better option
[07:04] <jmichaelx> DaveWM: i just did what kalg did, and commented out GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT
[07:04] <DaveWM> thnx kalg ,  grub2 does have some nice features,  but coming from grub1 it seems a bit of a convoluted thing to me,  but many things in linux to me still feel that way,  lol
[07:04] <DaveWM> i wonder why "nosplash" has no effect
[07:04] <DaveWM> that i can tell anyway
[07:04] <DR_Plan> Парни , как поднять прокси на кубунте?
[07:05] <jmichaelx> !ru
[07:05] <kalg> you are welcome DaveWM, nice to hear that helped you.
[07:05] <jmichaelx> DaveWM: well, we went from grub1 to grub2, and threw plymouth into the mix shortly thereafter, so there are a few variables which have changed
[07:06] <DaveWM> kalg :  yeah *buntu does have a handy community for people that arent strictly linux users,  i think that's what's driving it
[07:07] <DaveWM> i find it interesting that grub2 automatically finds kernels and adds them to the list
[07:07] <jmichaelx> i like grub2, although i still need to gain a bit more familiarity
[07:08] <DaveWM> i guess most of my issues stem from the fact that i have to mess with how things are setup by default,  and in linux with different things coming from different sources and working together and sharing different configuration files,  i guess things can get hairy sometimes
[07:08] <DaveWM> but that's also part of the fun for me,  just figuring it out
[07:08] <DaveWM> i never leave "well enough" alone,  lol
[07:10] <jmichaelx> same here.... i think this is something that plagues many linux users.... it's specifically that tendency which influenced them to start using linux to begin with , lol
[07:11] <DaveWM> very true,  i'm slowly working my way towards using linux more than windows,  i have learned from my many years of windows usage how to get most of what i want out of it,  but  its certainly not as easily customized in certain ways compared to linux
[07:11] <jussi> DaveWM: jmichaelx, nice discussion, but perhaps more appropriate for #kubuntu-offtopic
[07:12] <DaveWM> sorry jussi ;)
[07:12] <jmichaelx> jussi: i just assume that since this channel is barely used these days, and since there ISN'T anyone asking for support ATM, nothing is being harmed
[07:13] <jmichaelx> btw, #kubuntu was very active at one time
[07:14] <jussi> jmichaelx: please use the offtopic channel for offtopic - filling up this channel (logged channel) makes he tlogs harder to read and can discourge people from talking
[07:14] <jmichaelx> jussi: you do have a point there
[07:14] <jussi> jmichaelx: Ive been around a long time ;)
[07:15] <DaveWM> jussi :  that was the best reason i've ever heard in any of the ubuntu channels for not talking off topic ,  you have my respect now ;)
[07:15] <jmichaelx> as dead as this channel is, i can just imagine what #kubuntu_offtopic isl ike
[07:15] <jmichaelx> DaveWM: i have taken discussions to off_topic before.... seldom works, convo dies right off
[07:16] <jussi> jmichaelx: if you join and DaveWM and I are there, thats enough for a discussion. :)
[07:16] <jmichaelx> jussi: will do my best
[07:17] <jussi> jmichaelx: feel free to join #ubuntu-offtopic if you prefer, its definately not dead
[07:17] <maco> jussi: unfortunately
[07:18] <jmichaelx> yeah,,,, even if i were a gnome user, i had always liked #kubuntu because it was not as crazy. that was when #kubuntu was still MUCH more active than it is now
[07:19] <fabio> olá
[08:02] <sabgenton> is there any reson to have ubuntu netbook if you prefer plasma-deskop over plasma-netbook?
[08:03] <bazhang> sabgenton, not really; whatever you like best
[08:04] <sabgenton> so the drivers for every thing I need on my netbook should be there for the normal kubuntu?
[08:04] <bazhang> sure
[08:04] <bazhang> same for all variants, just the top bits are changed
[08:04] <sabgenton> I'm on nebook edition at the momennt and I don't really think I need the netbook ness
[08:05] <sabgenton> whats the point of having it?
[08:05] <sabgenton> why don't they just put plasma-netbook on the desktop edition
[08:05] <sabgenton> if that's the only differents
[08:06] <sabgenton> in the installer they could have do you want the  plasma-desktop or the plasma-netbook
[08:06]  * sabgenton goes to download desktop
[08:07] <bazhang> why not just install over it
[08:07] <bazhang> ie then choose from login window
[08:07] <bazhang> !info kubuntu-desktop
[08:07] <bazhang> well alongside, not over
[08:08] <sabgenton> you just mean the plamsa-desktop component?
[08:08] <bazhang> sabgenton, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop will pull that in
[08:09] <bazhang> sabgenton, then choose at login window
[08:09] <sabgenton> does that package just add plasma desktop?
[08:09] <bazhang> yep
[08:10] <bazhang> well and all the stuff with it
[08:10] <sabgenton> will my install match the deskop.iso
[08:10] <sabgenton> after that
[08:10] <bazhang> yep
[08:10] <bazhang> no need to get that iso
[08:11] <sabgenton> ok and boot it and install over the top?
[08:11] <bazhang> sabgenton, well choose in the login window
[08:11] <bazhang> you could install any of the -desktop packages and do that
[08:12] <sabgenton> meah I only just installed
[08:12] <bazhang> ubuntu , xubuntu, lubuntu, edubuntu, ubuntustudio, etc
[08:12] <sabgenton> your making think it's not worth it
[08:12] <sabgenton> I'll just download the deskop ISO format and start again
[08:12] <bazhang> depends on you.
[08:13] <sabgenton> yeah but my choices depend on the way things are
[08:13] <phoenix_> can anyone help me to configure my alsa settings to get a lowpass filter
[08:18] <sabgenton> hm sources.list seems ok but I can't even install vim
[08:19] <sabgenton> Package vim is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:20] <bazhang> !find vim
[08:20] <bazhang> !info vim
[08:27] <olskolirc> is anyone here fond of Maverick?
[08:27] <olskolirc> not Maverick
[08:27] <olskolirc> i mean Lucid
[08:27] <sabgenton> sorry juping the gun I'm doing an apt update then see
[08:28] <sabgenton> is there ubuntu package search online
[08:28] <sabgenton> !package
[08:36] <zs> 有人在么
[08:46] <sabgenton> !fetch
[08:47] <sabgenton> how do you do a download only with apt?
[08:47] <bazhang> sudo apt-get install packagename
[08:47] <sabgenton> no I meant fetch with out install
[08:47] <bazhang> the manual for apt-get has that
[08:48] <sabgenton> yeah couldn't figure it
[08:48] <sabgenton> i thought it was -f
[08:48] <bazhang> open a terminal, type man apt-get
[08:48] <sabgenton> but the man says thats  fix-broken
[09:13] <phoenix_> i want to install xmms gui version
[09:43] <franco-x-irc> #ubuntu-es
[10:02] <zetheroo> (19:00:08) zetheroo: I am trying to install recorditnow in Ubuntu Lucid and am getting a message in SPM regarding 3 packages that need to be installed but won't be due to unresolved dependencies ... how to fix?
[10:03] <zetheroo> the three packages are: kdebase-runtime, kdelibs5, libqt4-svg
[10:11] <wazza46> From ?
[10:17] <zetheroo> wazza46: you talking to me?
[10:17] <wazza46> yes
[10:17] <zetheroo> seems I can't install any KDE apps .. I keep getting dependency issues
[10:18] <zetheroo> wazza46: sorry, what are you asking me? (From ?)
[10:18] <wazza46> have you got the classics apps ?
[10:18] <wazza46> from what country ? what language ?
[10:18] <zetheroo> wazza46: classic?
[10:18] <wazza46> default apps
[10:18] <zetheroo> I am in Australia ..
[10:18] <wazza46> ok
[10:19] <zetheroo> default Ubuntu apps?
[10:19] <wazza46> kubuntu apps
[10:19] <zetheroo> I am not running Kubuntu
[10:19] <wazza46> you have got Ubunu
[10:19] <zetheroo> as I said above: "I am trying to install recorditnow in Ubuntu Lucid and am getting a message in SPM regarding 3 packages that need to be installed but won't be due to unresolved dependencies ... how to fix?"
[10:20] <zetheroo> SPM = Synaptic Package Manager
[10:20] <wazza46> why are you on :#kubuntu ?
[10:20] <ubuntu> hello all
[10:20] <wazza46> hello
[10:20] <TheWizzard> i want a little help
[10:21] <zetheroo> wazza46: because the dependencies are KDE ones ... and #ubuntu is overrun
[10:21] <wazza46> oook sorry
[10:21] <zetheroo> :(
[10:21] <wazza46> im french
[10:21] <zetheroo> wazza46: ok ... ;-)
[10:22] <TheWizzard> may i get help here?:D
[10:22] <wazza46> say
[10:23] <TheWizzard> i need a good scan archive:D
[10:24] <wazza46> zetheroo: http://jacekfurmankiewicz.blogspot.com/2007/05/integrating-kde-applications-into.html
[10:25] <TheWizzard> not this..... a scan archive for my terminal(root)
[10:26] <wazza46> don't have sorry
[10:27] <TheWizzard> its hard to find on internet
[10:27] <wazza46> i see
[10:27] <TheWizzard> all results is no good
[10:28] <Zensursula>  Hi all, I can't switch to fullscreen. ATI : http://pastebin.ca/1938728
[10:28] <Zensursula> Any ideas?
[10:29] <Zensursula> KDE 4.5.1  |  Linux mobiLX 2.6.32-25-generic #43-Ubuntu SMP Wed Sep 1 09:46:13 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[10:31] <zetheroo> wazza46: thanks but I have dependency issues ... not really mentioned there
[10:32] <Mamarok> zetheroo: why don't you just install those packages?
[10:32] <Mamarok> Search them in Synaptic and mark for isntallation
[10:32] <zetheroo> Mamarok: which packages?
[10:32] <zetheroo> Mamarok: I have been
[10:33] <TheWizzard> any unixcod scanner.....HELP ME PLEASEEEE:((:((
[10:33] <zetheroo> trying
[10:33] <Mamarok> the missing packages
[10:33] <zetheroo> Mamarok: I cannot even install plasma-desktop
[10:33] <Mamarok> zetheroo: which ones are missing exactly?
[10:33] <Mamarok> TheWizzard: please do not shout!
[10:33] <Mamarok> !patience | TheWizzard
[10:34] <zetheroo> Mamarok: well it's like a maze ... whatever I try to install it tells me there are more unresolved deps
[10:34] <Mamarok> zetheroo: tll me exactly which packages are missing, and I tell you the line to enter in the console
[10:35] <zetheroo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/492547/
[10:36] <Mamarok> zetheroo: try installing the package kde-minimal
[10:37] <zetheroo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/492548/
[10:39] <Mamarok> zetheroo: which exact Ubuntu version are you running?
[10:39] <zetheroo> Lucid
[10:39] <zetheroo> fresh install ...
[10:39] <Mamarok> hm, very strange, that should work out of the box
[10:40] <zetheroo> yep
[10:40] <Mamarok> please make sure in the package  manager that you have all repositories activated, backports, proposed, updates and security
[10:40] <zetheroo> proposed is not ...
[10:41] <Mamarok> then run 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[10:41] <Mamarok> once you have this repo activated
[10:42] <zetheroo> but proposed is pre-release stuff ...
[10:43] <zetheroo> I never needed it ... nor did I need backports I don't think ...
[10:44] <zetheroo> updating ....
[10:44] <zetheroo> 190MB downloading ...
[10:45] <Mamarok> zetheroo: not at all, proposed is not pre-release stuff
[10:45] <zetheroo> Mamarok: that is the definition in Software Sources :)
[10:45] <Mamarok> these repositories bring you only stable packages
[10:45] <Mamarok> the definition is pretty wrong and misleading
[10:45] <zetheroo> ok
[10:46] <zetheroo> should be changed ...
[10:46] <Mamarok> yeah, but nobody found a correct wording so far
[10:46] <Mamarok> it's packages that are proposed for inclusion
[10:46] <zetheroo> ok
[10:46] <Mamarok> pre-release in regard to the next Ubuntu version
[10:46] <zetheroo> so "Proposed packages" sounds right ... ha
[10:47] <Mamarok> but not for Lucid, as Lucid is released already
[10:47] <zetheroo> geez ... this is slow ..
[10:48] <zetheroo> usually it's about 150kB/s ... now it's under 50kB/s ...
[10:48] <zetheroo> is this going to fix the issue?
[10:48] <Mamarok> I don't know yet, you need to run the commands I told you first
[10:48] <zetheroo> which commands?
[10:48] <Mamarok> then run 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[10:48] <zetheroo> 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[10:48] <zetheroo> yes
[10:49] <zetheroo> it's updating ...
[10:49] <zetheroo> upgrading ...
[10:49] <zetheroo> btw ... whats the diff? sudo apt-get update vs sudo apt-get upgrade ....? I thought "upgrade" was to upgrade from one release to another ...
[10:51] <Mamarok> update brings you the new package list only, upgrade upgrades all packages upgraded sinc the last release
[10:51] <Mamarok> but you have the repositories for Lucid, so you stay in Lucid, no risk
[10:51] <Mamarok> You have a frsh install of Lucid which came out in April, there have been many updates since
[10:52] <zetheroo> well I did update immediately after installing ... so it's not that old ... I guess all these updates came from backports and proposed
[10:53] <Mamarok> those commands don't install new packages, only if there are new dependencies
[11:04] <Peace-> hi guys :)
[11:08] <fhc> HELLO
[11:08] <Mamarok> zetheroo: any news?
[11:08] <fhc> does anyone here know how to make the network manager applet work corrrectly in kubuntu
[11:09] <fhc> the vpn section is disabled in kubuntu... where as in gnome desktop the vpn optoin is avaialbe in network manager applet
[11:10] <Peace-> fhc: there wicd
[11:10] <Peace-> and now wicd-qt
[11:10] <Peace-> but only if you know to compile
[11:11] <Peace-> if not use wicd gtk
[11:11] <fhc> i dont understand
[11:11] <Peace-> fhc: use wicd if knetworkmanager doesn't fit for you
[11:11] <fhc> the network manager appolet works fine in xubuntu and gnoome desktop but in kubuntu the vpn option is disabled
[11:12] <fhc> where can i get wicd
[11:12] <fhc> does it have vpn option>
[11:13] <fhc> i connect to the internet via vpn
[11:13] <fhc> vpn option doesnt work in knetwork manager
[11:13] <Mamarok> fhc: I don't think wicd is a solution, you don't have problems with wireless connections
[11:13] <fhc> no
[11:13] <Mamarok> fhc: use the gnome network manager instead
[11:13] <fhc> i dont have problrms with wirelesss
[11:14] <Mamarok> fhc: I know, read what I just said
[11:14] <fhc> how do i use gnome networm maangwer in kubuntu
[11:14] <fhc> kubuntu has its own network mangner
[11:15] <Mamarok> fhc: start it in the konsole
[11:15] <fhc> how do i do that
[11:15] <Mamarok> but you need to stop the knetworkmanager first
[11:15] <fhc> i will uninstall knetwork mananger
[11:16] <Mamarok> fhc: you don't need to unistall it, just close the applet
[11:16] <Mamarok> then use the netwrok manager in the systemTray
[11:16] <Mamarok> network*
[11:17] <fhc> WHATS THE COMMAND
[11:17] <fhc> to start it from konsole
[11:17] <Mamarok> fhc: please don't shout!
[11:17] <fhc> sorry
[11:18] <Mamarok> fhc: normally it should already be running, check the systray Icons
[11:18] <fhc> the network manager runs
[11:18] <fhc> but the vpn option is disabled
[11:18] <fhc> thats the problem
[11:18] <fhc> it wont let me creat e a vpn connection in kubuntu
[11:18] <fhc> in gnome it works fine
[11:19] <Mamarok> let me check
[11:19] <fhc> ok
[11:20] <wazza46> Help me please tuxguitar doesent works with the MIDI system : timidity
[11:20] <Mamarok> fhc: well, it is enabled here for me, don't know if that is a version problem
[11:20] <Mamarok> fhc: which KDE version do you use?
[11:20] <fhc> i am on ubuntu 10.4
[11:20] <fhc> latest version
[11:21] <Mamarok> that is not the KDE version, please check in a KDE application, in the help menu -> About KDE
[11:21] <fhc> kubuntu doesnt let me create vpn connections
[11:21] <fhc> but i am logged into gnome riht now
[11:22] <Mamarok> well, start any KDE application then and check :)
[11:22] <fhc> i think this should be a bug repoirt
[11:22] <fhc> that vpn is disableed in knetworkmananger
[11:23] <fhc> my kde version is 4.4.2
[11:23] <zetheroo> Mamarok: only 55% done ..
[11:23] <Mamarok> zetheroo: ah, OK
[11:23] <Mamarok> fhc: yep, please file a bug then
[11:24] <fhc> yeao
[11:24] <fhc> this definitely needs to be a bug report for kubuntu
[11:24] <Mamarok> fhc: wait, I fond the solution: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=89503&start=0&sid=0f1e4caab37c4652120573f1e61100b0
[11:24] <fhc> how do i file a bug report>
[11:24] <Mamarok> found
[11:25] <Mamarok> you are missing a plugin
[11:25] <Mamarok> read that thread
[11:26] <Mamarok> fhc: you need to install the network-manager-openvpn-kde package
[11:27] <Mamarok> fhc: and network-manager-vpnc-kde
[11:27] <Mamarok> depending on the vpn version you are using
[11:28] <fhc> ok thanks alot
[11:28] <fhc> that helps
[11:28] <Mamarok> fhc: you are welcome, I found just by googling for that :)
[11:29] <daniel__> Is anyone familiar with Wubi and the dsk files?
[11:29] <fhc> i tried but couldnt find any relevant threads
[11:30] <DaveWM> ok,  in kde desktop settings,  if i go to "Desktop Effects"  compositing is active,  and then i go to all effects,  and change settings for "shaddows"  yet i don't see any changes in the shadows under windows ?
[11:30] <daniel__> I had Linux installed via Wubi.  Windows crashed and I had to re-install.  Now I cannot get into my old install.  I tried making a new one but how do I access the old files?
[11:31] <DaveWM> i even did like 10 / 10 x/y offset,  and made it more opaque,  no changes show up on the windows shadows though
[11:31] <DaveWM> anybody have any clue what i'm doing wrong ?
[11:31] <daniel__> I tried to replace the root.dsk with my old copy and that just gives an error messages.
[11:31] <DaveWM> daniel__ : what version of windows ?
[11:31] <daniel__> XP.
[11:32] <fhc> ok
[11:32] <fhc> let me try now to use vpn in kubuntu
[11:33] <daniel__> Is there a way to mount the old dsk files and access them in Linux or Windows?
[11:34] <DaveWM> daniel__: xp is booting right,  you just can't get into linux ?
[11:34] <daniel__> I re-installed XP as it was before and I can access Windows but not the old Linux install.  I created a new Linux install and running that now.
[11:35] <DaveWM> hmm,  wubi doesnt create partitions does it ?  i mean it just installs in an image somehow,  and adds itself to windows bootloader ?
[11:35] <daniel__> Yes
[11:36] <daniel__> It creates files called root.dsk and swapfile.dsk that it uses for the Linux system.
[11:38] <DaveWM> you didnt happen to keep a copy of your boot.ini from before did you ?
[11:38] <daniel__> Yes and I tried that.
[11:39] <daniel__> I saved the Wubi folder and the 3 files on the root drive and tried putting everything back as before.
[11:40] <DaveWM> i suppose you could move your saved wubi stuff somewhere,  run through a wubi install again,  then just replace the .dsk image with your old one
[11:40] <daniel__> I tried that also without success.
[11:40] <DaveWM> i dunno,  i never used wubi,  wish i could help more,  i was looking up some things reguarding it,  but sounds like you tried most things
[11:40] <DaveWM> do you even have ubuntu option for it in your boot up menu at all ?
[11:40] <daniel__> It looks like it would work but gives error messages when I select the Linux menu item.
[11:41] <daniel__> Yes
[11:41] <DaveWM> ah
[11:41] <DaveWM> hmm
[11:41] <DaveWM> probably a UUID thing,  dunno
[11:41] <daniel__> File might be bad.  I want to try to load and read the file.
[11:42] <DaveWM> daniel__ : do you ever see a grub screen after selecting linux ?
[11:42] <daniel__> Yes
[11:43] <daniel__> Well, what happens after the selection it tries to load with the Ubuntu load screen and then a text screen appears with a prompt.
[11:43] <DaveWM> might wanna try hitting e on the main item and editing where the root file system is
[11:43] <DaveWM> its probably something like UUID="some crazy stuff here"  could delete that and try /dev/sda1 or something in its place
[11:45] <fhc> Hey thanks alot mamarock
[11:45] <fhc> its worked
[11:45] <fhc> i had to install nother packege as well  for pptp
[11:45] <fhc> ten it worked
[11:46] <fhc> these packeges should have been shipped by default with kubuntu
[11:46] <fhc> but they werent
[11:46] <fhc> anyway thanks alot
[11:46] <fhc> now i got internet working on kubuntu
[11:47] <fhc> the only problem now is i cant connect to irc.dal.net
[11:48] <fhc> can anyone else connect to dalnet
[11:48] <DaveWM> daniel__ :  follow some of this info http://folfje.wordpress.com/2010/04/23/installing-wubi-9-10/  for changing grub to work with your saved disk image
[11:48] <DaveWM> its a bit convoluted,  but should get you there
[11:48] <daniel__> Okay.  Thank you.
[11:48] <DaveWM> sorry,  bad url
[11:49] <tjingboem> all the icons on the taskbar are gone. how can i make them visible again?
[11:49] <daniel__> That is okay,
[11:49] <Mamarok> fhc: nice it works :)
[11:49] <Mamarok> fhc: I never used dalnet
[11:49] <DaveWM> daniel__ http://rolfje.wordpress.com/2010/04/23/installing-wubi-9-10/
[11:49] <DaveWM> that's it
[11:50] <DaveWM> problem is after reinstalling windows the UUID was changed,  so your root filesystem can't be found atm from grub
[11:50] <DaveWM> i guess anyway
[11:50] <DaveWM> heh
[11:50] <Mamarok> tjingboem: could you maybe make a screenshot? knsapshot allows you to do that, and imagebin-ca allows you to paste it
[11:51] <Mamarok> tjingboem: since I don't know what icons you are talking about
[11:52] <surunveri> Im using Kubuntu 10.04 and trying to run a jawaws program for playing go. the program works fine but audio doesnt
[11:53] <surunveri> someone using linux and the same go program
[11:53] <surunveri> advices that using commands "padsp" or "aoss" before executing the "javaws" command
[11:53] <Mamarok> surunveri: check you have nothing muted in KMix
[11:54] <surunveri> no that's not it :D
[11:55] <Mamarok> surunveri: you have all channels visible in KMix? SOmetimes not all channels are shown
[11:55] <Mamarok> and the advice for aoss doesn't work in Kubuntu, as the Ubuntu distros use alsa, not oss
[11:56] <tjingboem> Marnarok, i am talking about those little creatures that should live beside the digital clock
[11:56] <tjingboem> on the left of it
[11:56] <surunveri> so
[11:56] <surunveri> no idea how to fix this then? :<
[11:57] <Mamarok> tjingboem: the system tray in that case, so you might have removed the widget:
[11:57] <Mamarok> click on the icon on the extreme right so you can readd the systray widget
[11:58] <Mamarok> you might have to unlock widgets first
[11:59] <Mamarok> surunveri: unless you install pulseaudio, but that is not really a good idea in Kubuntu Lucid
[11:59] <surunveri> Z-z
[11:59] <Mamarok> surunveri: there is a forum thread about that: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=78698
[12:00] <surunveri> so the audio doesnt work and it cant be fixed?
[12:00] <surunveri> i'll try that then
[12:00] <tjingboem> Marnarok, okay, thanks, i'll chech that out
[12:01] <surunveri> but how do i create a shellscript
[12:01] <surunveri> ?
[12:02] <Mamarok> surunveri: copy that lines in a text editor, name it soundgoscript.sh, then make it executable with this command
[12:02] <Mamarok> chomd +x soundgoscript.sh
[12:02] <zetheroo> Mamarok: wow ... finally done ...
[12:02] <Mamarok> then you can just run it in a konsole with that command: ./soundgscript.sh
[12:02] <zetheroo> Mamarok: I guess I have to reboot now
[12:03] <Mamarok> zetheroo: that was long
[12:03] <zetheroo> Mamarok: :)
[12:03] <Mamarok> no, only if you want to change kernel
[12:03] <zetheroo> Mamarok: it installed a new one
[12:03] <tjingboem> Marnarok, they are caleed Trayicons. is that a widget too?
[12:03] <Mamarok> zetheroo: try just restarting KDE for now, you can restart the computer later
[12:03] <Mamarok> tjingboem: let me check the name, second
[12:03] <zetheroo> Mamarok: should I install KDE now?
[12:04] <surunveri> kk
[12:05] <Mamarok> zetheroo: just try installing the package you wanted first
[12:05] <zetheroo> ok
[12:05] <Mamarok> tjingboem: the widget is called SystemTray
[12:05] <zetheroo> sudo aptitude install recorditnow
[12:05] <zetheroo> seems to be working
[12:06] <Mamarok> zetheroo: I guess you were missing some updates
[12:06] <zetheroo> yes ... or sources ...
[12:06] <zetheroo> says it's downgrading some packages ...
[12:06] <tjingboem> Marnarok, yes you are right, that the one, thanks!
[12:06] <Mamarok> tjingboem: you are welcome :)
[12:07] <surunveri> it doesnt seem to work
[12:07] <surunveri> was i supposed to remove the firts and last line
[12:07] <surunveri> ?
[12:07] <fhc> can anyone tell me how to use netowrk manager applet in fluxbox
[12:08] <fhc> its would be a great help
[12:08] <surunveri> /home/surunveri/Desktop/soundscript.sh: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `/usr/local/bin/javaws-aoss'
[12:08] <surunveri> /home/surunveri/Desktop/soundscript.sh: line 1: `--(/usr/local/bin/javaws-aoss)--'
[12:08] <surunveri> says like that.. it was only 2 lines so i figuredi could paste
[12:09] <Mamarok> surunveri: let me check again
[12:09] <fhc> can anyone tell me how to use netowrk manager applet in fluxbox???
[12:09] <fhc> it would be a great help
[12:09] <fhc> mamarok
[12:09] <Mamarok> surunveri: only these two lines:
[12:10] <Mamarok> #! /bin/sh
[12:10] <Mamarok> aoss javaws $1
[12:10] <surunveri> kk
[12:10] <Mamarok> fhc: I don't know, I don't use fluxbox, sorry
[12:10] <surunveri> hmm
[12:10] <surunveri> now it opens a box that says 'certificates'
[12:10] <fhc> ok thanks anyway
[12:12] <surunveri> with 2 columns "issued to" and "issued by"
[12:12] <surunveri> and 5 buttons saying import, export,, remove,details and close
[12:13] <surunveri> well and audio doesnt work either yet so
[12:13] <surunveri> i've no idea
[12:15] <surunveri> oh
[12:16] <surunveri> I was supposed to replace the $1 with the command to run
[12:16] <surunveri> i tried that and itw orks now
[12:18] <Mamarok> surunveri: sorry, should have told you
[12:19] <surunveri> yea
[12:27] <andrey> hi
[12:51] <HHP-DeV> sq
[12:51] <jussi> hrm, If Im using sdolphin and sftp, and I have sudo permissions on my user, is there any way to copy files that would normally require sudo to look at?
[13:05] <rork> jussi: use `kdesudo dolphin` to use dolphin in root mode
[13:05] <jussi> rork: but I dont think that helps if the host is a remote one.
[13:05] <jussi> (ie. using sftp)
[13:07] <rork> jussi: sorry, I thought the local files required sudo, I think you're only option is to login as a user that has reading rights for those files then
[13:57] <owner> Hi
[13:58] <Jeepman> I am new to kubuntu
[14:36] <Guest55581> Hi all here.. I finally installed 10.04, but I couldn't install some -dev pkgs with apt-get (probably now they are not here anymore).. Can someone here help to find a solution me please?
[14:42] <Guest55581> to be specific: I need libglib1.3-dev but apt-get install libglib-1.3-dev returns this error "Package libglib1.3-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package.This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source". Then it suggests to install the 2.0 version. but I really need 1.3. Is there any repository for this? Thanks
[14:45] <v3nd3tta``> i think i had the same with a thing i needed for configuring sth about terminal... still not solved, just dropped :/
[14:47] <Guest55581> What about If I compile glib from sources and install it? will it conflict with the currently installed 2.0 and will it break something?
[15:48] <Freddy2> hi
[15:49] <Freddy2> anyone can use translatoid with 4.5.1? i get no result by clicking the translate button no matter what i'm trying to translate
[16:16] <svasist> hi)i'm user
[16:16] <svasist> :)
[16:16] <erigais_> hi user
[16:28] <chater> wesh
[16:30] <terran4000> Hey, when I put in the x64 kubuntu cd and try to boot from it (install or try before install) ... all I get is a blank screen.
[16:30] <terran4000> the lcd power led blinks on and off ... no clue what could be wrong
[16:31] <terran4000> is there a way to force 'safe graphics mode' on the 10.4 cd?
[16:34] <terran4000> hm, darn. Forgot all geeks are still asleep at 10:30am CTS
[16:35] <rork> terran4000: did you check the disk for errors?
[16:35] <terran4000> ooo, someone lives!
[16:35] <terran4000> hmm
[16:35] <terran4000> no
[16:35] <terran4000> no errors
[16:35] <FloodBotK2> terran4000: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:35] <terran4000> after the logo it just goes blank
[16:36] <terran4000> the power button (on the lcd) blinks on/off and that's all.
[16:36] <terran4000> I once got into some sort of version of kubuntu, when I tried the 'nodep' (or whatever that option was)...
[16:37] <terran4000> but then the screen was more distorted than a picaso painting
[16:37] <rork> what gpu do you have?
[16:38] <terran4000> Ati (yea, I know, already a mistake there) HD 5x00
[16:38] <terran4000> I don't remember which model at the moment though
[16:39] <Scherenhaenden> hi everybody
[16:39] <terran4000> Howdy!
[16:40] <Scherenhaenden> i have a problem... my computer doesnt mount a usbstick... i can see the others but this one in kubuntu not... but it works
[16:41] <sascha_> hi, is there a german supportchannel for kubuntu?
[16:41] <rork> !de | sascha_
[16:41] <Scherenhaenden> sascha
[16:41] <sascha_> thnx
[16:42] <Scherenhaenden> sascha_: was für ein problem hast denn du?
[16:42] <Scherenhaenden> also ich könnte dir helfen
[16:42] <Scherenhaenden> wenn du es so möchtest
[16:42] <sascha_> ich hab ein prob mit meinem 1und1 surfstick
[16:42] <sascha_> kennst dich damit aus?
[16:43] <Scherenhaenden> XD lüstig... 1und1 benutzt fast kein mensch
[16:43] <Scherenhaenden> ok... erzählt mal was genau ist mit dem stick
[16:43] <Scherenhaenden> wird nicht erkannt oder so?
[16:43] <rork> please both join #ubuntu-de if you want to talk german and keep this channel english
[16:43] <sascha_> Kubuntu erkennt ihn, aber ich bekomm keine Verbindung ins Netz
[16:43] <sascha_> ok
[16:43] <Scherenhaenden> right
[16:44] <Scherenhaenden> hey who could help me with one usb sitck that ubuntu doesnt wanna see :XD?!!
[16:46] <BluesKaj> hiyas
[16:47] <rork> terran4000: http://www.overclock.net/linux-unix/732545-how-install-ubuntu-10-04-ati.html
[16:48] <terran4000> rork: thanks man!
[16:48] <rork> Scherenhaenden: if you plugin your usb stick does it show up in lsusb?
[16:49] <terran4000> sadly that's the odd ball thing ... on my love cd there is no 'safe graphics mode'!
[16:49] <Scherenhaenden> jap....
[16:49] <terran4000> pesky x64 >_>
[16:49] <Scherenhaenden> but... i did an image on it... with image writer... that i have problems on kubuntu after that... with that usb stick
[16:50] <Scherenhaenden> but im not sure what could be doing that
[16:50] <Scherenhaenden> noooooo
[16:50] <Scherenhaenden> sorry i fixed
[16:50] <Scherenhaenden> i know what that was
[16:50] <Scherenhaenden> sorry
[16:51] <Scherenhaenden> i was trying to make an image from freebsd... n that format was not readable for linux i dont know why
[16:52] <Scherenhaenden> rork: thanks
[16:55] <rork> terran4000: Did you try this also? http://www.overclock.net/9578752-post9.html
[16:56] <terran4000> oo, I'll try that!
[16:56] <terran4000> You rock rork!
[17:04] <PolyC> I have a networking problem here. since i connected my phone to the pc it seems to be a little irritated
[17:04] <PolyC> I am able reach servers out there via their ip addresses (ping and http)
[17:05] <PolyC> however the local dns here does not seem to work
[17:05] <PolyC> how can check whats wrong with the dns (i use one provided by my uni)
[17:45] <oxymoron> Does anyone know how to copy files into iPhone 4 device in Kubuntu? Dolphin doesnt mount it at all and I cannot found it. Kubuntu detects it, but it doesnt work.
[18:02] <urgen> that's odd oxymoron, maybe there is a switch/setting inside the phone that activates use as a storage device
[18:03] <oxymoron> urgen: I dont think so, but probably Apple block outside access ... maybe remotely I dont know xD
[18:03] <urgen> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iPhone
[18:03] <urgen> did you look at that page?
[18:04] <urgen> If you have a password set up on your device, unlock it first before connecting the USB cable, otherwise Ubuntu will not recognize it.
[18:05] <urgen> if you still have trouble then check the currency of those supporting libraries
[18:13] <oxymoron> urgen: Yes I have.
[18:13] <oxymoron> urgen: And I dont have password as far as I know.
[18:13] <qwert> How to bookmark a file? (as in an mp3 file in nautilus)
[18:14] <urgen> I don't use nautilus
[18:15] <qwert> How to bookmark a file? (as in an mp3 file in dolphin)
[18:15] <urgen> hehe
[18:15] <qwert> typo
[18:15] <urgen> make a new folder create a shortcut
[18:16] <qwert> eh?
[18:16] <urgen> folder called favez
[18:16] <urgen> dolphin is the file manager, right?
[18:16] <qwert> yes certainly
[18:16] <v3nd3tta``> yep
[18:16] <urgen> 'bookmarks' are a browser thing
[18:17] <urgen> but it's just an easy to manage file
[18:17] <urgen> maybe there is a file manager tool that does this
[18:17] <qwert> i want to tick/star a file..
[18:18] <urgen> Quick Bookmarking
[18:18] <urgen>  To quickly create a bookmark in the Places panel for the current folder, right click in the work space and click Add to Places in the context menu.
[18:18] <urgen> that's what help says for making a bookmark in dolphin
[18:18]  * urgen tries it
[18:18] <qwert> but not rating thing as in dolphin.. I want to be able to view in columns with size, date, name etc
[18:19] <qwert> Where is the "Places" Folder? By that i can only bookmark a folder and i want to bookmark a file
[18:19] <urgen> the right click option is there on mine and now shows up in the left column
[18:20] <urgen> Places is what they call the column on the left
[18:20] <urgen> the folder style nav
[18:20] <urgen> where you see your USB drive or your Root directory or Home
[18:20] <qwert> yeah
[18:21] <qwert> urgen: I am not asking for that
[18:21] <urgen> so, thanks for the question because I was starting to get tired of having to dig around to find stuff
[18:21] <urgen> why not?
[18:21] <urgen> bookmark for what function?
[18:22] <qwert> urgen: I want to bookmark a 'file' and not a folder. And by columns i mean the columns in Folder panel (like Name,Type,Owner etc, when in Details view)
[18:23] <urgen> ok, so my first idea would work then
[18:23] <urgen> you'll have to make a folder and fill it with shortcuts
[18:23] <qwert> No no that
[18:24] <apparle> how to install microsoft office?
[18:24] <apparle> wine doesn't function very well
[18:24] <qwert> !info openoffice | apparle
[18:24] <urgen> yes wine is a little bit whimpy
[18:24] <apparle> qwert: :)
[18:24] <apparle> qwert: I know openoffice
[18:25] <apparle> qwert: but whatever you may say..... it is nowhere near msoffice
[18:25] <chuckf> apparle: under kubuntu you may want to look at codeweavers
[18:25] <apparle> chuckf: I don't think it is free?
[18:25] <chuckf> apparle: its not, but neither is MS Office
[18:26] <qwert> urgen: I want a easy way to tick file as file putting star on a file
[18:26] <urgen> you'll want to talk to dophin dev then
[18:26] <urgen> dolphin
[18:26] <apparle> chuckf: its is rather too much to pay both for codeweaver and office
[18:26] <urgen> sometimes you will get the ear of someone interested and it shows up right away
[18:27] <urgen> apparle, use openoffice.org
[18:27] <apparle> has anyone tried play on linux...
[18:27] <urgen> it does anything microsoft does
[18:27] <qwert> urgen: what you are suggesting iis fine as well
[18:27] <qwert> urgen: What? was that statement on me?
[18:27] <urgen> I can't find how to make a shortcut???
[18:27] <apparle> urgen: I have tried it quite a lot... so I want MS office
[18:27] <urgen> openoffice.org is for the "microsoft office" question
[18:27] <urgen> then use Windows
[18:27] <qwert> urgen: I mean what you suggested is helpful :)
[18:27] <urgen> I hate Office
[18:28] <apparle> urgen: why
[18:28] <urgen> it is stupid
[18:28] <urgen> takes a half hour to find the simple easy change I want to make
[18:28] <apparle> urgen: you mean you hate the new interface?
[18:28] <urgen> the new interface is horrible
[18:29] <apparle> urgen: it depends actually, I got used to it and now I can do things even faster
[18:29] <chuckf> apparle: you have very few choices here. Try to get wine to work for your MS Office, pay for codeweavers or use Windows
[18:29] <urgen> or virtualbox
[18:29] <urgen> and use a licensed windows in linux
[18:29] <urgen> which is also kind of stupid
[18:29] <urgen> just get windows if you need it so bad
[18:29] <apparle> urgen: I am no M$ fan, but I agree on one thing, nobody beats MSoffice
[18:30] <apparle> not so bad...
[18:30] <apparle> was just wondering
[18:30] <apparle> which is better virtual box or vmware
[18:30] <urgen> both get good reviews
[18:30] <apparle> has anyone tried playonlinux?
[18:30] <chuckf> never head of it
[18:31] <apparle> chuckf: google it
[18:31] <chuckf> s/head/heard
[18:31] <chuckf> apparle: why?
[18:31] <urgen> (maybe apparle is spam)
[18:31] <chuckf> what is it?
[18:31] <apparle> I am in this channel for 2 years..... how dare you call me spam
[18:31] <apparle> :P
[18:31] <apparle> chuckf: supposed to be a collection of scripts to get office working in wine
[18:32] <urgen> thereya go
[18:32] <urgen> :-)
[18:32] <apparle> urgen: so I asking has anyone tried it
[18:32] <chuckf> apparle: well I have no interest in doing so, so I'm not going to search for it
[18:32] <apparle> chuckf: cool
[18:33] <chuckf> and again, that option leads you back to one of the three choices I mentioned before
[18:33] <apparle> :)
[18:34] <apparle> which is better virtual box or vmware... or are there any other such softwares?
[18:35] <chuckf> its a toss of the coin which is better. Depends on the features you need. I tend towards vbox in almost every case for my uses
[18:36] <cga> hi all, i want to upgrade to maverick beta. update-amanger-kde and update-notifier-kde are installed but won't run from ALT+F2 (nor from console. comand not found). help please.
[18:37] <Mirrakor> Is Digikam part of the standard Kubuntu(LU)?
[18:39] <gauda> mirrakor: no you'll have to install it from repo
[18:40] <cga> gauda: any idea on my issue? please.
[18:41] <gauda> cga: why not apt-get install digikam
[18:41] <cga> gauda: uhu?
[18:41] <Mirrakor> gauda: Can you give me a ca. amount of MBs that I'll need to install digikam/dependencies?
[18:42] <gauda> cga: sorry this was for mirrakor
[18:42] <cga> Mirrakor: apt-get will tell you
[18:42] <gauda> mirrakor: well, apt-get sauys you'll need 14mb but i dont know if this is with dependencies
[18:43] <Mirrakor> I guess no - think is I'm trying to create a live-usb-stick and I need to know in advance how much additional dependencies I'll need to create something called presistant memory :)
[18:43] <Mirrakor> But I guess, there's only try and find out :)
[18:44] <gauda> cga: sorry, no idea. did you try googling? shouldnt be so hard to do the upgrade
[18:44] <gauda> mirrakor: think so, too ;)
[18:46] <gauda> cga: did so for you: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/beta
[18:47] <gauda> To upgrade from Ubuntu 10.04 LTS on a desktop system, press Alt+F2 and type in "update-manager -d"
[18:48] <cga> gauda: do you read what people write when asks for help? anyway thanks for trying.
[18:49] <urgen> :-) no love
[18:51] <gauda> cga: which update-manager-kde
[18:51] <cga> gauda: the kubuntu one :P
[18:51] <urgen> alt f2 pulled up a panel thingy
[18:51] <gauda> no, run this on your command line. it will tell you where it is installed
[18:52] <cga> gauda: this is part of the problem (which i wrote above: command not found). so which won't return a thing.
[18:52] <gauda> well then how do you know it is installed? apt-get says so?
[18:53] <urgen> from command line: locate update-manager
[18:53] <urgen> shows me /usr/share/update-manager
[18:53] <cga> gauda: i know because i reinstalled them already. and both apt-get and dpkg -l say so
[18:54] <gauda> i see, its the same on my machine
[18:54] <urgen> and.. when I type update-manager -h
[18:54] <cga> ok then it's not only my problem
[18:54] <urgen> I get: update-manager -h
[18:54] <urgen> The program 'update-manager' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[18:54] <urgen> sudo apt-get install update-manager
[18:54] <cga> urgen: /usr/share/pyshared-data/update-manager-kde with locate
[18:54] <urgen> soooo
[18:54] <urgen> it's a sudo thing?
[18:55] <cga> sooo?
[18:55] <urgen> ya update-manager-kde is not installed, I have help files only
[18:56] <gauda> well, just installed update-manager
[18:56] <urgen> /usr/share/pyshared-data/update-manager-kde
[18:56] <gauda> now i can run update-manager -d to get the beta
[18:56] <gauda> its not kde based, but i think it will work
[18:56] <cga> that is a solution, but this got to be fixed.
[18:57] <urgen> :-) it does?
[18:57] <cga> what you think?
[18:57] <urgen> I never expect anything 'easy' to work ever
[18:57] <cga> i do since i did upgrade to lucid with it
[18:57] <urgen> it's cute sometimes, but next time it won't work
[18:57] <cga> and you can keep "easy" for yourself
[18:58] <urgen> technology changes too fast
[18:58] <cga> kind of
[18:58] <gauda> well, cga please tell me if it worked for you :)
[18:59] <cga> gauda: ok i will, but i want to get the intended package working as it should
[19:00] <gauda> i understand
[19:01] <cga> =)
[19:02] <Guest60825> s
[19:02] <Guest60825> anybody help me to configure serial mouse in kubuntu 10.04 LTS.
[19:04] <cga> Guest60825: what is a serial mouse?
[19:05] <Guest60825> a mouse connected to serial port
[19:06] <cga> and why you use it? (say, instead of a ps2 or usb or anything newer than that)
[19:06] <cga> i just want to understand eh
[19:07] <Guest60825> serial port
[19:07] <cga> that doesn't tell much
[19:07] <Guest60825> com port in windows
[19:07] <cga> that doesn't tell much either
[19:07] <Guest60825> ex: com1 ,com2
[19:07] <cga> i asked you WHY use it
[19:07] <cga> not what is serial port
[19:08] <Guest60825> because my ps2 mouse complaint n i got a serial mouse from friend
[19:08] <Guest60825> its working fine in windows
[19:08] <cga> you didn't try changing to a new ps2 ?
[19:09] <cga> what is the complaint there?
[19:09] <Guest60825> none of kubuntu versions i used are not detecting a mouse connected to serial port
[19:10] <cga> none of my neurons is going to be useful with your serial mouse problem, it is just absurd to want to use that when you have other options. i could understand if you ojnly had serial ports.
[19:11] <Guest60825> any experts here to help me?
[19:12] <gauda> a cheap usb mouse costs 5 euros?!
[19:12] <erigais> i bought mine on ebay for 30 cents and 2.95 shipping, USD
[19:12] <Guest60825> only 2 usb ports in my pc, old pc bought in year 1999
[19:13] <cga> that is understandable
[19:13] <cga> but why not try another PS2 mouse?
[19:13] <cga> and we get back tpo my question: what is the complaint there? is it the mouse? the port?
[19:14] <Guest60825> i have no much money since im a student
[19:14] <cga> did you actually try another one?
[19:14] <cga> we can understand that you can be poor dude. but please answer the question. you can find a ps2 mouse in every trash nowadays
[19:14] <Guest60825> yaa an old ps2 mouse is working but it has some complaints while scrolling
[19:15] <erigais> are you also using a ps2 keyboard? try a ps2 keyboard in that hole to make sure your port is good
[19:15] <cga> i'll send it to you if you are in italy
[19:15] <Guest60825> im in india
[19:15] <cga> Guest60825: ok , scrolling is the problem.
[19:15] <cga> both on linux and windows?
[19:15] <Guest60825> actualy mouse is too old and internally damaged
[19:15] <cga> i see
[19:16] <Guest60825> ya both os
[19:16] <cga> ok then it's mouse hardware problem
[19:16] <Guest60825> ya right
[19:16] <cga> none of your friends can really give you a used ps2 mouse?
[19:17] <cga> because setting a serial mouse: 1) i don't know where to start. 2) it's going to be hard (i guess).
[19:18] <Guest60825> my friends are too students and they are useless ,they waste money only for alcohols
[19:18] <cga> Guest60825: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto
[19:18] <Guest60825> but mine is kubuntu
[19:18] <cga> it's teh same
[19:19] <cga> the "core" it's basically the same
[19:19] <cga> they differ for interface a few tools
[19:19] <cga> they differ for interface and few tools
[19:19] <Guest60825> no . . .litle diffreces , i cant see a xorg.conf file in /etc/X11
[19:19] <cga> which version are you using?
[19:20] <Guest60825> 10.04 LTS
[19:20] <cga> i see
[19:21] <Guest60825> any help in that site is not working for me, itried it earlier
[19:21] <cga> Guest60825: try this http://onubuntu.blogspot.com/2010/05/getting-serial-mice-to-work-on-ubuntu.html
[19:22] <Guest60825> i may try but i think its for older releases
[19:23] <Guest60825> hello
[19:23] <cga> Guest60825: the date is May 2010. i think it's good for you
[19:23] <Guest60825> im gonna try it out . .
[19:23] <cga> ok
[19:23] <cga> good luck
[19:28] <cga> Guest60825: i'm going for dinner, let me know if you managed
[19:28] <elijah> Does Kubuntu have an official Twitter page?
[19:29] <Guest60825> ok c u later n thanx , im trying
[19:30]  * BluesKaj wonders why kubuntu would need an official twit-ter page
[19:33] <avihay> twitter is a type of RSS feed, right?
[19:39] <sergiy> can somebody help me translating kubuntu?
[19:39] <erigais> ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[19:39] <erigais> for putting in text or reading text?
[19:39] <sergiy> in programs
[19:40] <erigais> i think it depends on the programs language settings
[19:40] <erigais> do you need someone who speaks the language to help you?
[19:40] <sergiy> no? i think english would be good enough
[19:41] <sergiy> i just have bugs in my translation and i'd like to correct it
[19:42] <erigais> ah.. i dont think i can be of much help sorry
[19:42] <erigais> i thought you were talking about installing ibus or something
[19:45] <elijah> What is *ubuntu's name for the system tray (as Windows calls it)?
[19:47] <erigais> kickoff application launcher?
[19:47] <avihay> elijah: system trey
[19:47] <avihay> tray*
[19:47] <avihay> well, atleast in kubuntu
[19:50] <Fleck> my xorg process takes 1.1GB of RAM
[20:03] <elijah> Is there a way to "minimize to system tray"?
[20:05] <elijah> I just lost all respect for Netflix, I knew they used Silverlight but when I was on XP that didn't bother me since most of my stuff was closed. But now, I just tried using Netflix and Silverlight is not supported for Linux, obviously. Moonlight is not an option since it lacks DRM. Now I am in a sticky position, give up my Netflix addiction or boot into XP every now and then?
[20:06] <elijah> ^ Rhetorical question...
[20:06] <v3nd3tta``> give up Netflix addiction
[20:06] <v3nd3tta``> NEVER BOOT XP AGAIN
[20:06] <v3nd3tta``> !!!1111
[20:07] <v3nd3tta``> :P
[20:08] <Bucky> hi my composition is active but the bar is still grey. before this afternoon all was ok... i swear i didn't touch anything!
[20:41] <fadey> вем здрасти
[20:44] <Tm_T> !ru | fadey
[20:44] <apparle> yay I got office 2007 working on kubuntu
[20:45] <fadey> realy?
[20:50] <fadey> здесь по русски кто нить говорит?
[21:27] <dan_l> Grrr.  Anybody want to guess why my laptop speakers dno't work on a fresh install?  headphones work.  Internal speakers do not.
[21:31] <Guest91008> brasil
[21:38] <binary1> anyone know why importing bookmarks.html is not allowed from network drives?  I get an error msg box titled: Remote files not accepted... msg is:you can only select local files.  This same error occurs in konqueror and firefox using 10.04
[21:44] <dan_l> that _kind of_ makes sense binary
[21:45] <dan_l> just move the file locally
[21:53] <dohei> trying to boot 10.04 live cd, getting "mount: mounting /dev/loop0 on //filesystem.squashfs failed: input/output error" any ideas?
[21:54] <gauda> dohei: did you check for cd errors? there should be a menu point when booting the live cd
[21:54] <dohei> yes, i verified the cd and the iso
[21:54] <dohei> i couldnt use the live cd for it though.... same problem
[21:55] <gauda> checked the iso by md5sum?
[21:55] <dohei> correct
[21:57] <gauda> well, thats strange ;) i had good experience when using usb stick. did not burn a boot-cd for ages
[21:58] <dohei> heh, okay, thanks
[22:14] <dan_l> !speakers
[22:14] <dan_l> !sound
[22:16] <elijah> has anyone download the Android SDK on Kubuntu?
[22:16] <hp2> 123
[22:17] <hp2> 123
[23:09] <sea4ever> The translator plugin in kopete does not work, any idea why? Maybe I'm missing a package it needs and it just won't say.
[23:24] <zapper> hi
[23:24] <Alberson> hello
[23:24] <zapper> i cant get kopete to connect to WLM in Karmic
[23:24] <andybiker> Hi
[23:25] <andybiker> How can I get my local ip address?
[23:31] <andybiker> google is really slow!
[23:39] <The_shark_001> hello all
[23:41] <andybiker> New problem. How do I configure firewall settings to allow samba shares?
[23:48] <cato37> i was talked into leaving blogspot and bought a domain name. what would be a good prog for making web pages (for a newbie)?
[23:51] <j0hnnyG00dF3LLA> hello
[23:51] <j0hnnyG00dF3LLA> koi hai?
[23:51] <j0hnnyG00dF3LLA> anybody listening/?