[06:50] <pitti> Good morning
[06:56] <TheMuso> Hey pitti. :)
[06:58] <pitti> hey TheMuso, how are you?
[07:46] <TheMuso> pitti: Not too bad thanks, sorry to see you go, but change is not a bad thing.
[07:46] <pitti> TheMuso: right, and I just feel it's necessary now
[07:50] <TheMuso> pitti: Yeah I totally understand.
[08:05] <Sweet5hark> moin
[08:09] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:09] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark TheMuso pitti
[08:09] <pitti> bonjour seb128, moin moin Sweet5hark!
[08:11] <Sweet5hark> seb128, pitti, TheMuso: heya, gang. looking out the window right now, seeing it probably cold af. not daring to open anything.
[08:11] <seb128> hehe, it's -3°C here, starts feeling like winter!
[08:12] <pitti> Sweet5hark: I did open the window this morning for a few mins, ccccccoolllld!!
[08:12] <pitti> yeah, -3 here too
[08:12]  * seb128 moves a bit closer to the heater
[08:12] <pitti> you know, this has to end -- I'll spontaneously fly to, say, Sevilla next week!!
[08:12] <pitti> oh wait, I already do, how nice :)
[08:13] <Sweet5hark> -6.5 degree celsius here right now according to the interwebs.
[08:13] <seb128> cooold
[08:13] <seb128> pitti, holidays?
[08:14] <pitti> seb128: yeah, a week of beer drinking; and I invited aaaaall my friends from foundations, CPC, etc. :)
[08:14]  * Sweet5hark is congratulating himself to move to a new appartment that is almost a passive house (KfW70 standard) a month ago.
[08:14] <seb128> lol, that sort of week, I see ;-à
[08:14] <seb128> ;-)
[08:14] <pitti> nice opportunity to say good bye and dump some of my stuff into some other laps
[08:15] <seb128> then you tell people that you are going for "work" right? ;-)
[08:15] <pitti> Sweet5hark: nice! Lueftung und Waermetauscher?
[08:15] <seb128> Sweet5hark, nice
[08:15] <pitti> Sweet5hark: I never use the heating in my office either, but I'm just leeching heat from excessive heating from my neighbor
[08:15] <pitti> (I suppose -- it never really gets cold in here)
[08:16] <pitti> Sweet5hark: but we have such a modern flat in Dresden, and the heating cost is laughable indeed
[08:17] <Sweet5hark> pitti: floor heating and excellent isolated windows. the proper thing to do would be to do a stosslueftung ~now for 5 minutes. Im not ready yet.
[08:17] <pitti> Sweet5hark: open window, brush teeth, close window, go to kitchen to grab breakfast, all good :)
[08:18] <Sweet5hark> alright
[09:01] <willcooke> goodly moreload
[09:02] <seb128> incoming batch of u.k desktopers!
[09:02] <flexiondotorg> Good day
[09:02] <willcooke> :)
[09:02] <seb128> hey willcooke flexiondotorg Laney
[09:02] <flexiondotorg> seb128, o/
[09:03] <flexiondotorg> pitti, Sweet5hark Morning
[09:04] <Laney> hey ;-)()()()(
[09:05] <flexiondotorg> Laney, Morning
[09:05] <pitti> OMG, not a double but a quadruple chin!
[09:05] <pitti> hey Laney
[09:07] <Laney> hey flexiondotorg, aloha pitti, moin seb128
[09:07] <Laney> how's it going?
[09:08] <flexiondotorg> Not bad.
[09:08] <seb128> brrrrr
[09:08] <seb128> but good otherwise
[09:08]  * Laney can see the frost line on the roofs behind is following the sun
[09:08] <flexiondotorg> Tonight I'm going to the first BaDhack, which I'm looking forward to :-)
[09:09] <Laney> sounds BaDass
[09:10] <flexiondotorg> Hope so :-)
[09:10] <flexiondotorg> Hopefully the beginning of a markerspace/hackspace in my local community.
[10:31] <Trevinho> uff, new google test broke unity again... wondering why there's no autopkgtest for these things
[10:39] <seb128> Trevinho, hey, how are you? feel free to contribute one of those :-)
[10:39] <Trevinho> seb128: hey, all good... you?
[10:39] <seb128> I'm good
[10:39] <seb128> I'm playing with the snappy content sharing / gtk
[10:40] <seb128> if you want to use the yakkety gtk on xenial looks like you need to bundle libc as well :-/
[10:40] <Trevinho> seb128: ah, good... That content sharing looks something nice!
[10:41] <Trevinho> seb128: oh, really? different ABI?
[10:41] <seb128> yeah
[10:41] <Trevinho> seb128: shouldn't be ubuntu-core base always the same?
[10:41] <seb128> it is
[10:41] <seb128> but gtk brings in mir
[10:41] <Trevinho> ah, right
[10:42] <seb128> or libmircommon seems to want GLIBCXX_3.4.22 symbol
[10:42] <seb128> which isn't in the xenial core
[10:43] <seb128> oh well, let's start with sharing the xenial gtk
[10:44] <seb128> that makes snaps smaller and work on the current  ubuntu-core version
[10:44] <seb128> then we can look at having an updated stack and bundle more if needed
[10:44] <seb128> but before that needs to go for some errands and lunch
[10:45] <seb128> bbl
[10:45] <Trevinho> yeah, fair enough
[10:45] <Trevinho> seb128: is that covering also all the launching stuff?
[10:46] <seb128> you mean? we already have a desktop-launcher shared part
[10:46] <seb128> but no, just including content for now
[10:47] <seb128> need to work with Didier then on updating the launcher if tweaks are needed (which is likely going to be the case for paths at least)
[10:47] <seb128> but that's for later
[10:47] <didrocks> you will need tweaks, I'msure :)
[10:47] <didrocks> enjoy your lunch!
[10:58] <Laney> snap snap snapppp
[11:07] <Laney> seb128: can you remove xbmc-eventclients-j2me/zesty-proposed (NBS) and python-fitsio python3-fitsio/zesty (FTBFS, no rdeps) please?
[11:08]  * Laney is trying to push through a big transition
[11:08] <Laney> massive autopkgtest queue doesn't help
[12:47] <Laney> meheheh
[12:59] <seb128> Laney, let me have a look
[12:59] <Laney> smoochies
[13:02] <seb128> those are binaries?
[13:02] <Laney> yep
[13:04] <seb128> Laney, does it make sense to remove python-fitsio python3-fitsio binaries and not the source?
[13:05] <Laney> seb128: those are arch specific binaries
[13:06] <seb128> hum?
[13:06] <seb128> you didn't mention archs
[13:06] <Laney> oops
[13:06] <seb128> do you want only the armhf binaries to be removed?
[13:06] <Laney> /armhf
[13:06] <seb128> k
[13:06] <seb128> now that makes more sense
[13:06] <Laney> yeah it only fails there
[13:07] <seb128> right, I was just trying to make sense of the request, now I understand
[13:07] <seb128> thanks
[13:09] <seb128> Laney, kodi ftfbs on powerpc unsure if that's going to get in your way but mentioning it
[13:10] <seb128> e.g deleting xbmc-eventclients-j2me isn't going to be enough to have it a valid candidate
[13:10] <Laney> might do, want to see how it looks after this
[13:10] <seb128> k
[13:11] <Laney> britney is only complaining about that pkg
[13:11] <Laney> i guess it will change to a different one once that is gone
[13:11] <seb128> no
[13:11] <Laney> yes
[13:11] <Laney> missing build on powerpc: xbmc-eventclients-j2me (from 17.0~beta5+dfsg1-1)
[13:12] <seb128> oh, sorry, I saw the message was different but had already close the page
[13:12] <Laney> it says missing build instead of old binaries left
[13:12] <seb128> right you are
[13:12] <seb128> :-)
[13:13] <seb128> let's see after the next iteration then!
[13:14] <Laney> if kodi is still busted then it has no rdeps anyway
[13:14] <Laney> ;-)
[13:15] <seb128> k, next we might delete the ppc build from zesty ;-)
[13:18]  * Laney mehs
[13:18] <Laney> stupid broken tests
[15:09] <tjaalton> Laney: gtk+? :)
[15:09] <tjaalton> looks like it's holding up mesa
[15:28]  * willcooke warms up his copy & paste keys
[15:29] <Laney> tjaalton: no, dbus-test-runner
[15:30] <willcooke> dingaling meeting time
[15:30] <Sweet5hark> aye
[15:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting 2016-11-29
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Nov 29 15:30:40 2016 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:30] <willcooke> Roll call: andyrock, attente, desrt,  dgadomski, fjkong, flexiondotorg, happyaron (out), hikiko (out), laney, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[15:30] <willcooke> Hi everyone!
[15:30] <andyrock> Hey
[15:31] <flexiondotorg> Hiya!
[15:31] <qengho> Hi hi!
[15:31] <FJKong> hi
[15:31] <Trevinho> hello
[15:31] <hikiko> hi:) +bye!
[15:32] <willcooke> have a good evening hikiko
[15:33] <willcooke> Right, since andyrock is here, let's get started
[15:33] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:33] <andyrock> 1. Windows list in the unity8 quicklists
[15:33] <andyrock> 2. Updated some unity7 and unity8 old branches
[15:34] <andyrock> 3. Reviews (Marco's branches and the high dpi one)
[15:34] <andyrock> 4.taxes XD
[15:34] <andyrock> Eow
[15:34] <willcooke> :) thanks andyrock, and thanks for looking at the hidpi branch
[15:34] <flexiondotorg> andyrock, What was the outcome of the HiDPI review?
[15:34] <andyrock> I approved it
[15:35] <andyrock> It works fine
[15:35] <flexiondotorg> Perfect!
[15:35] <willcooke> flexiondotorg, it will find it's way in to backports via Trevinho at some point soonish
[15:35] <desrt> ((Sorry... my network connection chose this exact moment to start acting up.  Come back after?))
[15:35] <willcooke> desrt, ack np
[15:35] <andyrock> And the logic is mostly copied from gnome settings
[15:35] <andyrock> So should be fine
[15:35] <flexiondotorg> Thanks, andyrock. You'll see why I'm interested in a bit...
[15:36] <willcooke> :))
[15:36] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:36] <attente> hey
[15:36] <attente> currently fixing the mir backend upstream, it's kind of in a broken state due to api changes for gtk 4
[15:36] <attente> attempted fixing the jhbuild snapcraft plugin on github-ci, but not sure how to proceed because the integration test requires network access...
[15:36] <attente> also blocked on build breakage in content-hub due to the gtest regressions
[15:37] <Laney> doesn't continuous build with mir enabled?
[15:37] <desrt> (working again)
[15:37] <attente> it doesn't seem so
[15:38] <attente> the build is working now, but trying to run a gtk app with the mir backend just crashes outright
[15:39] <willcooke> attente/laney ok follow up after the meeting?
[15:39] <Laney> just a question, nothing further
[15:39] <willcooke> oki, thanks
[15:39] <willcooke> thanks attente
[15:40] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:40] <desrt> still working on dconf proxy
[15:40] <desrt> got to the point where the proxy detects confined apps, looks up their "allowed" paths, compares this with admin lockdown, and computes a list of keys that they can see, and pushes it into the sandbox via the shared xdg path
[15:40] <desrt> change notification is next, i guess
[15:41] <desrt> but i need to clean things up a bit more
[15:41] <desrt> that's all
[15:41] <willcooke> thanks desrt
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:41] <dgadomski> hey
[15:41] <dgadomski> * back to working on bug #1550983 and bug #1598183
[15:41] <ubot5`> bug 1550983 in virt-manager (Ubuntu) "Fails to start with "Couldn't open libGL.so.1" (missing dependency?)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1550983
[15:41] <ubot5`> bug 1598183 in gvfs "Operation not permitted while writing to symlinked fuse locations" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1598183
[15:41] <dgadomski> * tried to work on bug #1589401, but in my team stopped experiencing it. Let's see how long that lasts
[15:41] <ubot5`> bug 1589401 in NetworkManager "cannot view wifi networks after re-enabling wifi" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1589401
[15:41] <dgadomski> eof
[15:41] <willcooke> good stuff, thanks dgadomski.
[15:42] <dgadomski> thanks
[15:42] <willcooke> Speak to happyaron about #1589401 if needed
[15:42] <dgadomski> ok, cool
[15:42] <willcooke> #topic FJKong
[15:42] <FJKong> hi
[15:42] <FJKong> bug fixing:
[15:42] <FJKong> #898847 grig package has no .desktop file
[15:42] <FJKong> #1587984 Gnome Software catalog entry missing for Grig
[15:42] <FJKong> #1591112 Gnome Software catalog entry missing for Qtel
[15:42] <FJKong> #1634226 Gnome Software catalog entry missing for D-rats
[15:42] <FJKong> simple ones
[15:42] <FJKong> firefox bug not finished yet
[15:42] <FJKong> eof
[15:43] <willcooke> cool, thanks FJKong
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic flexiondotorg
[15:43] <flexiondotorg> Hi
[15:43] <flexiondotorg> · Contributed to the UbuCon Europe Trip Report.
[15:43] <flexiondotorg> · Researched this weeks candidates for the Snap Upstream Blitz and updated Trello.
[15:43] <flexiondotorg> · Read the Ubuntu Core 16 Specification for Classic Confinement.
[15:43] <flexiondotorg> · Direct contact with HexChat, Mumble, Flowblade, ocenaudio, Gmvault and ZNC.
[15:43] <flexiondotorg> · Provided assistance for the uGet, ZNC, Mumble, ZNC and HexChat teams on their road to snaps.
[15:43] <flexiondotorg> · HexChat upstream now publishing in the Snap store stable channel.
[15:44] <flexiondotorg> · Joined the Patch Pilots.
[15:44] <flexiondotorg> · Reviewed "HiDPI Improvements" document from Ryan, David and Cassidy at System 76. Have a call with them tomorrow afternoon to discuss their plans and explain how they can contribute improvements.
[15:44] <flexiondotorg> · Filed bug and assisted with improving the system-observe interface.
[15:44] <flexiondotorg> · Testing the new Terminal.
[15:44] <flexiondotorg> 🎬
[15:44] <willcooke> nothing else?
[15:44] <willcooke> ;)
[15:44] <willcooke> thanks flexiondotorg
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic happyaron
[15:44] <willcooke> 1. back from holidays, yay for getting some new lifelong immunity.
[15:44] <willcooke> 2. network-manager 1.4.2 lands in zesty
[15:44] <willcooke> 3. fcitx SRU for xenial
[15:44] <willcooke> 4. opencc SRU for yakkety
[15:45] <willcooke> #topic hikiko
[15:45] <willcooke> * Unity/Compiz: added Low gfx option in ucc, and a u7 specific gsetting,
[15:45] <willcooke> added the necessary checks to see if the new or old low gfx is used, I
[15:45] <willcooke> still need to add some code to load the profile dynamically (in progress)
[15:45] <willcooke> * Chromium: set up the environment following the development guidelines,
[15:45] <willcooke> added a mir platform in ozone, configured ninja to build that platform
[15:45] <willcooke> along with the others (still studying ninja though I have to accelerate
[15:45] <willcooke> the build somehow and fix some issues I had). Also, looked at the other
[15:45] <willcooke> platforms code to understand how the ozone works and how to add the mir
[15:45] <willcooke> code and dependencies.
[15:45] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:45] <Laney> • Short week, was off Friday
[15:45] <Laney> • Finish off migrating to the new appstream-generator, now deployed, seems to be doing ok
[15:45] <Laney> • Push forward a big combined transition in z-proposed - lots of rebuilds, delayed by the big test queue backlog
[15:45] <Laney> • z-proposed autopkgtest fixes and investigation for various issues
[15:45] <Laney> • Rebase gst-good SRU after trumped by security update (second one after -bad last week)
[15:46] <Laney> • fwd new version of overlayfs-trash patch to upstream bug, upload to unstable/experimental/zesty/yakkety/xenial
[15:46] <Laney> ✰
[15:46] <willcooke> thanks a lot Laney
[15:46] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:46] <qengho> * two days holiday. so nice.
[15:46] <qengho> * in-progress: chromium 54 builds on all supported arch, but still sometimes SEGVs in blink code. Consulting upstream.
[15:46] <qengho> * to-do: browser test snap to use xdg-open bridge to outside snap.
[15:46] <qengho> EOF
[15:46] <willcooke> thanks qengho
[15:47] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[15:47] <seb128> • had friday off-work
[15:47] <seb128> • some archive admin work (reviews, deleted some binaries for transitions)
[15:47] <seb128> • otherwise most of the week was snappy focussed
[15:47] <seb128> ∘ catching up with ongoing/work discussions
[15:47] <seb128> ∘ helped with some debugging
[15:47] <seb128> ∘ started testing the content sharing interface and iterating on the gtk platform snap example, hit some issues trying to use the yakkety gtk stack on xenial so decided to change and start sharing xenial gtk on xenial and deal with the cross-version issues later

[15:47] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[15:47] <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> - pushed gbuild-to-ide/gbuildtojson fixes: building LibreOffice from kdevelop, Eclipse, Vim/YouCompleteMe, XCode, qtcreator, visual studio with autogenerated project solutions should work again and be more reliable and fastter (and have tests)
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> - some upstream refactoring of (killing some SwModify)
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> - various changes to get 5.3 beta to build as a snap: configure flags, updated patch queue (ongoing)
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> - various admin bits: filed travel stuff etc.
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> EOF
[15:48] <willcooke> thanks Sweet5hark
[15:48] <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
[15:48] <willcooke> * Tried reproducing bug 1641954 without any luck, the reporter is working through with me to see if I've missed anything during my testing.
[15:48] <willcooke> * More research on implementing input event processing for assistive technologies. I think the best approach is to start a discussion involving all steakholders, i.e shell/compositor developers for GNOME and KDE as well as the unity 8 folks, explain what we have now, and why we need to implement something, and brainstorm a solution thats cross desktop environment. I'm looking to get that discussion going in the next day or so.
[15:48] <willcooke> * Started working on a plan to migrate various pieces of software that use espeak over to using the espeak-ng fork, which is actively maintained. Well, all software that is in main at least, which is not much. Debian has already made the transition, so it is a matter of filing a MIR for espeak-ng and adjusting packages appropriately.
[15:48] <ubot5`> bug 1641954 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "Output switches from HDMI speakers to internal speakers on DPMS off" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1641954
[15:48] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[15:48] <willcooke> - cups-filters: Created "driverless" utility which makes CUPS auto-detect printers designed for driverless use (IPP Everywhere, AirPrint), so that one can set them up with legacy printer setup tools and the correct PPDs get auto-generated.
[15:48] <willcooke> - cups-filters: Use CUPS' new Apple Raster support for accepting Apple Raster as input format (improve CUPS' emulation of an AirPrint printer so that Iphones can print on Ubuntu CUPS server). Before there was a half-baked filter based on reverse-engineering.
[15:48] <willcooke> - cups-filters: Released 1.12.0 with most of the new driverless printing stuff.
[15:48] <willcooke> - cups-filters: Created a test setup and sent appropriate instructions to Aveek Basu from Lexmark. Now he is testing Lexmark's printers.
[15:48] <willcooke> - Common Print Dialog: More chat with Aveek Basu about how GSoC students can help us. He wants to find the students for us.
[15:48] <willcooke> - IPP Everywhere: SRU to make Yakkety correctly support IPP Everywhere printers is in -updates now.
[15:48] <willcooke> - Bugs.
[15:48] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[15:49] <Trevinho> · Fixed snapcraft parser to support wiki parts with remote parts
[15:49] <Trevinho> · Added support to origin-{branch,commit,tag} in snapcraft remote parts
[15:49] <Trevinho> · Fixed snapcraft infinite copy-loop when snapcraft dir is a sub-sub src folder
[15:49] <Trevinho> · Proposed some upstream patches to Telegram to properly support appindicator
[15:49] <Trevinho> · Reviews for unity-settings-components, and some refactor of the Ethernet item
[15:49] <Trevinho> · Fixed an unity7 crash on lockscreen with a touch display
[15:49] <Trevinho> · Fixed compilation of unity7 with gtest 1.8
[15:49] <Trevinho> · Fixed an appmenu-qt5 crash when it's used outside X11.
[15:49] <Trevinho> ... EOF
[15:49] <willcooke> thanks Trevinho
[15:49] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[15:49] <willcooke> ings-components, and some refactor of the Ethernet item
 · Fixed an unity7 crash on lockscreen with a touch display
 · Fixed compilation of unity7 with gtest 1.8
 · Fixed an appmenu-qt5 crash when it's used outside X11.
 ... EOF
[15:49] <willcooke> err
[15:49] <willcooke> wat
[15:50] <willcooke> try again...
[15:50] <willcooke> - GNOME Software SRUs
[15:50] <willcooke> - LightDM 1.21.1 released
[15:50] <willcooke> - Simple Scan 2.23.2 released
[15:50] <willcooke> - Working on LightDM / Unity 8 system snap
[15:50] <willcooke> thats better
[15:50] <willcooke> #topic AOB
[15:50] <willcooke> Anyone got any topics they want to raise?
[15:50] <willcooke> Going in 10....
[15:51] <willcooke> I'll be in the office Thursday this week if anyone wants anything sorting
[15:51] <willcooke> Should be around for 1:1s in the afternoon, but not in the morning.  Will update those affected
[15:51] <willcooke> If there's nothing else, let's wrap
[15:51] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[15:51] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Nov 29 15:51:55 2016 UTC.
[15:51] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2016/ubuntu-desktop.2016-11-29-15.30.moin.txt
[15:51] <willcooke> Thank you all
[15:52] <seb128> thanks!
[15:52]  * Sweet5hark cant help find irony in the fact that chromium builds are delayed because of blink code (which started as joke originally).
[15:52] <Sweet5hark> thanks all.
[16:08] <qengho> Sweet5hark: It's not the funny kind of irony.
[16:08]  * qengho brb
[16:09] <Sweet5hark> qengho: the funny kind of irony was sold out in 2015. from 2016 on we will have to live exclusively with the nonfunny variant.
[16:10] <Sweet5hark> (or adapt our concept of humor)
[16:45] <Laney> seb128: ok, please kill kodi ;-)
[16:45] <Laney> wait
[16:45] <seb128> Laney, :-)
[16:45] <Laney> NO
[16:45] <seb128> just on powerpc?
[16:45] <Laney> it migrated
[16:45] <seb128> K
[16:45] <seb128> great
[16:45] <Laney> how did that happen?????????
[16:45] <seb128> tradeoff
[16:45] <seb128> something else in the universe got wrong
[16:45] <Laney> I was looking at some kodi-whatever thing
[16:46]  * Laney checks logs
[16:46] <seb128> got->went
[16:52] <Laney> the hand of god migrated it
[16:52]  * Laney checks the rest
[16:58]  * Laney cries
[16:58] <Laney> there's another transition involved
[17:06] <seb128> Laney, :--
[17:06] <seb128> :-(
[17:06] <seb128> so it didn't went it?
[17:06] <Laney> it wasn't going to anyway because of waiting for tests
[17:06] <Laney> but might have been ready for after that
[17:23]  * Laney builds the 9999 packages
[17:40] <flocculant> good job it's not balloons you're blowing up then
[17:59] <Laney> going to let that grind
[17:59] <Laney> laters
[18:26] <willcooke> night all


[07:10] <surendra> can anyone help me in installation gtk-vnc
 Hello guys. How to contact developers? LTS 20.04.1 breaks keyboard on laptops after update to kernel 5.4.0-47 (5.4.0-42 was ok)
 @PR1G0RYAN, we don't maintain the kernel. chack to make sure there is not already bug reported. if there is not, report one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?orderby=-datecreated&start=0
[11:10] <bittin-M1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3gltQa-SiM Last day of Xorg and Graphics Geeks talking
[11:21] <Ozz> Hey ive go a Problem where the Keyboard of my Fujitsu Lifebook only works in recovery mode (Kubuntu 20.04) any suggestions ? Already tried sudo apt-get reinstall xserver-xorg-input-all
 @Ozz, Guess this is the exact same problem I faced. Something broken in kernel 5.4.0-47 and above (5.8.0) same failure. … Bugreport already exists.
[11:29] <Ozz> @IrcsomeBot so no bugfix atm ?
[11:30] <smhk> can someone help me to install bumblebee?
[11:42] <smhk> Is that enough to install nvidia driver and then do this article :https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bumblebee
[11:46] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:48] <smhk> hello BluesKaj
[11:49] <BluesKaj> hi smhk
[11:49] <smhk> could you help me please?
[11:50] <smhk> Is that enough to install nvidia driver and then do this article :https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bumblebee
 syp
 (Photo, 530x697) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/UQsNEm9y/file_36459.jpg
[13:53] <Hal2001> Does kubuntu installer supports manual partition encryption?
[14:00] <Hal2001> When i try to encrypt a partition, when i choose manual partitioning, it won't work. And installer crashes sometimes.
[14:50] <ErAdK888> "Hello world"
[14:57] <ErAdK888> Hello neighbors, Not sure where to chat , this is all greek to me.  So this is HELLO from the other side.
[14:59] <BluesKaj> ErAdK888, this is a Linux support chat, kubuntu in particular
[15:00] <ErAdK888> I love this OS. Still got a lot to learn,.  Will keep the Chat as back up .
[17:11] <wgytfr78> My privats videos skype webcam 400gb links open in Tor Browser gg.gg/m7dgu
[18:52] <gnu_d> Hi, is there an option to remap asus wmi hot keys to another key or key combination or run the function manually. I am looking at this c source here https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/drivers/platform/x86/asus-wmi.c, in asus_wmi_handle_event_code() and case NOTIFY_KBD_FBM, I interested in controling the fan
[18:52] <gnu_d> I am trying to see if can run it the fan_boost_mode_switch_next() function somehow, the fan speed would change.
[21:52] <viewer|95> Hi
[21:53] <viewer|95> Hi
[21:54] <viewer|95> Hi
[21:54] <viewer|95> Is there anyone?
[21:54] <viewer|95> Hi


[00:06] <cjwatson> No, txt2man is a different thing
[00:06] <cjwatson> apt show txt2man
[00:07] <cjwatson> (not an endorsement particularly - I've never used it)
[00:14] <Unit193> Indeed, though given the question asked about the output from --help, I wondered if the wrong one was mentioned.  It's moot now I guess anyway.
[00:22] <cjwatson> Yeah, perhaps
[09:27] <cpaelzer> about half of the ppc64 builders seem to be stuck in "cleaning" for quite a while - anyone around to bump them?
[09:58] <cjwatson> cpaelzer: I might have absent-mindedly done so earlier this morning, but they mostly seem to be building now.  (If you ask in a Launchpad channel then we're more likely to see)
[10:07] <Unit193> G'morning.
[10:11] <cpaelzer> thanks cjwatson
[10:11] <cpaelzer> yeah they seem mostly ok now
[14:02] <cjwatson> vorlon: Hey, you're TIL for vim - could you please merge it from unstable (or I will if you want)?  There's a CVE
[14:23] <LocutusOfBorg> cjwatson, https://twitter.com/hashtag/vodafonedown?lang=en looks like is more half of italy having issues, not really launchpad/ubuntu/canonical domains :)
[15:35] <vorlon> cjwatson: uploaded, ta
[15:42] <cjwatson> Great
[16:17] <tkamppeter> cyphermox, hi
[18:11] <sil2100> Laney: eh, trying to approve the gst packages now
[18:12] <sil2100> Most of them have both the 1.14.1 and 1.14.4 bugs in the .changes file
[18:13] <sil2100> I'll be approving them anyway, will have to insta-verification-done those bugs
[18:13] <sil2100> And now LP is really really slow
[19:25] <hallyn> huh, expect package broken in disco?
[19:26] <hallyn>  unknown system group 'messagebus' in statoverride file; the system group got removed
[19:27] <hallyn> lol now i can't install dbus either.
[19:27] <hallyn> oh, nm, i know what happened
[19:28] <sarnold> systemd-expectd?
[21:00] <Unit193> sarnold: Hrm, saw that "incompatible character encodings: ASCII-8BIT and UTF-8" again.  I wouldn't think it's because of the update, but it only started happening the day after. :3
[21:01] <sarnold> Unit193: sorry, I can't recall context on that one :/
[21:01] <Unit193> openssl 1.1 messing with my ruby script, not much context.
[21:04] <sarnold> Unit193: hmm, can you reduce the problem to something smallish?
[21:06] <Unit193> Nope.
[21:06] <sarnold> dang :(
[21:07] <Unit193> Hopefully I'll be able to catch it..
[21:47] <wxl> for a given packageset (or if it's easier, a given package), is there a way to get notified on new uploads in either the proposed or release silos?
[21:48] <Unit193> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Eoan-changes with a good filter. :>


[07:07] <dholbach> good morning
[07:09] <geser> good morning
[07:09] <nigelb> Morning geser!
[08:33] <Laney> hiya
[10:15] <Rhonda> cjwatson: thanks :D
[10:16]  * cjwatson processes queues ... eventually
[10:21] <Laney> this is the uk, we likes a good queue over here
[10:24] <Rhonda> sure, because queueing means crowd means less cold wind directly around you
[10:25]  * Rhonda shivers when looking outside, and I'm in vienna
[10:30] <cjwatson> it's quite nice out at the moment actually
[10:30] <cjwatson> or it was yesterday anyway, haven't been out yet today :)
[10:31] <Laney> gloves, no hat, improvement on the end of last week
[10:31] <Laney> still wearing gloves in the office too as the heating is broken…
[10:32] <Laney> the annual estates-office-try-and-fail-to-fix-the-heating-and-end-up-providing-a-space-heater has begun :-)
[10:34] <Rhonda> yeah, the cold season always comes unexpected, year after year
[10:34] <Rhonda> Total by surprise, snow starts falling and the street cleaning companies aren't prepared at all.
[10:35] <Rhonda> "same procedure as every year"
[10:36] <Laney> last year I was on crutches for the winter. that was interesting.
[10:38] <Laney> http://orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/washingup.png
[10:40] <tumbleweed> lol
[10:41] <nigelb> heh
[11:09] <geser> Laney: wouldn't it have been easier to use the dish washer next to you?
[11:09] <Laney> can't put it all in there sadly
[11:14] <arand> Has most of testing been synced yet, or is the process ongoing for pp?
[11:15] <tumbleweed> arand: everything that hasn't been modified in Ubuntu has been auto-synced from testing. Everything else needs to be done by hand
[11:16] <arand> tumbleweed: Including new packages?
[11:16] <tumbleweed> yeah, those also need manual review
[11:17] <cjwatson> I've synced a lot of new packages
[11:17] <cjwatson> there are some left; ask me if you have specific requests
[11:21]  * StevenK gets mail-bombed by cjwatson.
[11:21] <cjwatson> ?
[11:21] <StevenK> cjwatson: I'm subscribed to ubuntu-archive
[11:21] <cjwatson> ah, right
[11:23] <arand> Ok, I may do some further poking in Debian before requesting a sync, (fix game fullscreening and trapping user), before requesting sync. Thanks for the info!, I wasn't sure how things went.
[11:25] <tumbleweed> arand: once it's in, it'll continue to automatically sync until Debian Import Freeze
[11:38] <arand> Ah, right, well if you have the time to sync "lugaru"... I'll just file a sync request otherwise, being a game it may not be the highest priority :)
[11:42] <cjwatson> arand: lugaru isn't in testing
[11:42] <cjwatson> oh, wait, it is, contrib
[11:43] <arand> Yeah, it's one of these contrib/non-free things
[11:44] <arand> lugaru-data being in non-free due to non-commercial restrictions.
[11:46] <cjwatson> arand: OK, I've synced both
[11:46] <arand> cjwatson: Thanks! :)
[14:05] <koolhead17> hello all
[14:08] <koolhead17> i am following a pkgupdate guide and am stuff with this error when i run debuild -S -sa  http://paste.ubuntu.com/717854/  help would be appriciated
[14:13] <cjwatson> koolhead17: I'm guessing, but perhaps you need to install (and build-depend on) libtool
[14:13] <koolhead17> cjwatson: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/HandsOn am following this
[14:14] <cjwatson> I don't need to know that
[14:14] <cjwatson> unless the specific package you're working on is named there
[14:14]  * koolhead17 installs libtool
[14:15] <koolhead17> cjwatson: so dependency will differ per pkg?
[14:16] <cjwatson> yes
[14:16] <cjwatson> 'sudo apt-get build-dep PACKAGENAME' gets you all its build-dependencies
[14:17] <cjwatson> usually you don't need those just to build a source package (-S), but now and again you need some of them
[14:18] <cjwatson> well, at least you usually don't need them *all* - debhelper, autoconf, automake, libtool, cdbs, autotools-dev, quilt are commonly-required ones
[14:20] <koolhead17> cjwatson: thanks. am installing all the deps to be on safer side
[14:23] <micahg> if the package isn't in the archive or has new dependencies, you can use sudo mk-build-deps -i -r
[14:24] <koolhead17> micahg: i pulled pkg from launchpad and making changed to it so it will not have dep issue now
[14:38] <koolhead17> cjwatson: micahg thanks!! Its getting build!1 :)
[14:43] <Laney> excuse me DMBers
[14:43] <Laney> !dmb
[14:43] <Laney> !dmb-ping
[14:43] <Laney> hah
[14:43] <koolhead17> Laney: :P
[14:44] <micahg> \o/ talk about fast turnaround  :)
[14:44] <stgraber> ok, that seems to work :)
[14:45] <koolhead17> i also need to have "Could not find a signing program (pgp or gpg)! " :D
[14:46] <tumbleweed> koolhead17: that's not necessary for building, just uploading
[14:47] <tumbleweed> debuild's -uc -us options turn off signing (which make building a lot less annoying :P
[14:47] <koolhead17> tumbleweed: http://paste.ubuntu.com/717883/
[14:47] <koolhead17> ooh ok
[14:47] <koolhead17> :P
[14:48]  * Laney has that in DEBUILD_DPKG_BUILDPACKAGE_OPTS
[14:48] <koolhead17> tumbleweed: debuild -S -sa am using currently
[14:49] <Laney> cjwatson: do your backport scripts handle backports from other pockets? (-security)
[14:49]  * Laney wonders if broder managed to write that script
[14:49] <koolhead17> tumbleweed: debuild -S  -uc -us will do it for me?
[14:49] <jdstrand> he did not as of a week or two ago
[14:49] <jdstrand> Laney: ^
[14:50] <tumbleweed> koolhead17: if you need -sa, include it
[14:50] <Laney> ah ok
[14:50]  * Laney further wonders if jdstrand has a highlight on "security" :P
[14:50] <cjwatson> Laney: should do, yes
[14:50] <cjwatson> Laney: most of the logic is in lp:ubuntu-archive-tools backport.py
[14:50] <Laney> righto
[14:50] <jdstrand> I'll never tell
[14:50] <cjwatson>     elif '-' in options.fromsuite:
[14:50] <cjwatson>         options.fromseries, options.frompocket = options.fromsuite.split('-', 1)
[14:50] <cjwatson>         options.fromseries = options.fromdistro.getSeries(
[14:50] <cjwatson>             name_or_version=options.fromseries)
[14:50] <cjwatson>         options.frompocket = options.frompocket.title()
[14:50] <koolhead17> tumbleweed: but that results into asking 4 gnupg which i dont want
[14:51] <cjwatson> I think you must be confusing -sa with either -uc or -us
[14:51] <tumbleweed> koolhead17: -sa is unrelated, it means you want to include the .orig.tar.gz in the changes file
[14:52] <koolhead17> tumbleweed: ok.
[14:52]  * koolhead17 read man page soon. :)
[15:09] <Laney> dholbach: can you accept blueprints for uds-p? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-developer-application-processes
[15:10] <dholbach> I don't think I can
[15:10] <koolhead17> Riddell: around?
[15:11] <dholbach> Laney, I don't know - is it ~ubuntu-drivers who can?
[15:11] <Laney> I think there has never been a thing about which I know less than this
[15:11] <Laney> ;-)
[15:11] <Riddell> hi koolhead17
[15:11] <Laney> I thought you were The Guy this time
[15:12] <micahg> Laney: there should be a uds-organizers team I think
[15:12] <Laney> it's alright stgraber can do it
[15:12] <Laney> :-)
[15:14] <stgraber> Laney: done
[15:14] <Laney> cheers boss
[15:14] <Laney> now subscribe!
[15:14]  * micahg already did :)
[15:14] <Laney> excellentium
[15:15] <micahg> which # element is that again?
[15:15]  * tumbleweed is guessing there isn't enough interest in a "what to do about motu" session? (ok, interest isn't the right idea, but possible input that could be discussed in a UDS session)
[15:15]  * Laney force-subscribes everyone else
[15:15] <Laney> tumbleweed: pub session
[15:15] <tumbleweed> Laney: yeah that happens anyway :)
[15:15] <Laney> I suspect the crowd for such a session would be smaller than it might have been previously :(
[15:15] <tumbleweed> in fact, I think it was the first think both ScottK and persia asked me when I first met them
[15:16] <tumbleweed> s/think/thing/
[15:16] <ScottK> Call it a MOTU BOF session.
[15:16] <ScottK> Try and get interested people together and see where it goes.
[15:16] <ScottK> This was good for the backports sessions that last few UDS.
[15:18] <tumbleweed> that works
[15:18] <Laney> As long as the leader doesn't let it turn into a hand wringing session
[15:18] <Laney> also, unicode problems when I try to write the lp-udd output to a file
[15:18]  * tumbleweed clearly isn't good at achieving that
[15:18] <Laney> python will be the death of me
[15:19] <tumbleweed> Laney: you have to specifically encode it (or open your file with the open from codecs)
[15:19] <Laney> i have .encode('utf-8')
[15:20] <Laney> let me try that codecs thingy
[15:20] <tumbleweed> it's equivalent
[15:21] <tumbleweed> can I see source & exception?
[15:21] <Laney> i put unicode() round stuff
[15:21] <Laney> yeah ok
[15:23] <Laney> http://paste.debian.net/139446/ http://paste.debian.net/139447/
[15:23] <Laney> i was going to implement some way of not opening and closing the file every time if that worked
[15:23] <tumbleweed> well, I proposed https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-motu-bof I'll try and think of some things for us to discuss if it looks like it's heading towards hand wringing
[15:23] <Laney> rock
[15:24] <tumbleweed> Laney: you can't print unicode objects unless you are in a UTF-8 locale and running in a terminal (yes that last thing is insanely unexpected)
[15:24] <Laney> i only added that unicode() stuff because it broke
[15:24] <Laney> what do i need to do instead? :(
[15:24] <tumbleweed> that tprint is substituting byte strings into a unicode string, and thus it's unicode
[15:25] <tumbleweed> either explicitly encode all output, or tell python that the stdout encoding is UTF-8, no matter what
[15:25] <Laney> i thought .encode was me telling it that
[15:26] <tumbleweed> yes, but then you substituted it into a unicode string
[15:26] <Laney> so I can remove the u?
[15:26] <tumbleweed> yes
[15:27] <Laney> this scares me
[15:34] <Laney> tumbleweed: worked, cheers!
[15:34] <Laney> http://paste.debian.net/139449/
[15:34]  * tumbleweed hopes to see the data in a UDD table soon
[15:35] <tumbleweed> Original-Maintainer: N/A ?
[15:35] <tumbleweed> oh duh
[15:35] <Laney> hah, the Closes: list for workrave
[15:36]  * tumbleweed wishes we used null instead of N/A
[15:42] <micahg> ScottK: are you still approving backports? (will have at least one later this week hopefully)
[15:42] <ScottK> micahg: Yes.  Feel free to ping me.
[15:42] <micahg> ScottK: thanks
[15:52] <stevecrozz> how can I tell pdebuild to build source-only (like debuild -S)?
[15:56] <yofel> stevecrozz: from what I know there is no point in running pdebuild for source packages
[15:56] <yofel> just run debuild
[15:57] <stevecrozz> yofel, this is for building a package for a distribution other than the one on my running system
[15:57] <yofel> well,  pdebuild is about building binary packages. for the source-only part it simply runs debuild
[16:00] <cjwatson> In the fully general case you need to build source packages on the same distribution; but in very many cases (I'd say the vast majority) you can get away with building them on more or less any vaguely current Debian or Ubuntu system.
[16:00] <cjwatson> Sometimes you need the odd extra build-dep.
[16:01] <Laney> was https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/precise-changes/2011-October/000715.html a copyPackage sync?
[16:01] <Laney> it has spph.creator and yet a changesfile?
[16:02] <Laney> oh, bah, yo ucan get that for manual uploads too
[16:02] <tumbleweed> how?
[16:03] <Laney> dunno, but I checked on a dputted one I did and it has .creator
[16:03] <tumbleweed> hrm, the changes file wasn't signed. AA sync?
[16:03]  * Laney checks bugs
[16:04] <tumbleweed> at any rate, *someone* did something wrong with it
[16:04] <Laney> yeah there it is
[16:04] <cjwatson> I did that with sync-source.py
[16:04] <Laney> was just looking at the massive Closes: list
[16:05] <cjwatson> that's because it was a reintroduction
[16:05] <cjwatson> so sync-source built a .changes with the equivalent of dpkg-genchanges -v0
[16:05] <Laney> yep
[16:05] <cjwatson> but that was the only unusual thing about it; I'm not aware of having done anything wrong
[16:05] <tumbleweed> ah, no that's probably right, didn't realise it was a reintruduction
[16:06] <Laney> I just expected it to have -v<version that was deleted>
[16:06]  * tumbleweed wonders what a native sync would do in that situation
[16:06] <Laney> the main argh is that I can't rely on .creator like I thought I could
[16:07] <koolhead17> Riddell: how are you?
[16:07] <Laney> oh well
[16:07] <tumbleweed> wgrant: I thought .creator was *only* for syncs?
[16:15] <Riddell> koolhead17: I'm fine thanks
[16:48] <jussi> Laney: did you get notified of the factoid changes?
[17:26] <micahg> achiang: would you be  able to help me with the armel FTBFS for chromium in precise?
[17:27] <achiang> micahg: possibly. what's up? :)
[17:27] <micahg> achiang: Error: branch out of range
[17:27] <micahg> achiang: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/83302810/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-armel.chromium-browser_14.0.835.202~r103287-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[17:27] <achiang> yikes
[17:37] <achiang> micahg: some googling on that failure shows that removing optimizations, specifically -O2, fixed the issue on MIPS
[17:37] <achiang> micahg: that might be an interesting place to start
[17:38] <koolhead11> i am having one more issue
[17:38] <micahg> achiang: thanks
[17:39] <achiang> micahg: one sec
[17:39] <koolhead11> http://paste.ubuntu.com/718047/
[17:40] <achiang> micahg: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Thumb2PortingHowto
[17:40] <achiang> micahg: there's something on that page too, did you already find it?
[17:41] <micahg> oh, hmm, thought I read that page already
[17:42] <achiang> micahg: actually, it seems that using -Os might work
[17:42] <c_korn> hello, how can I debug DBUS? I have the problem if I open gedit with the dash and then run "gedit file" in the gnome-terminal that "file" gets opened in a new instance of gedit and not in a tab of the process I opened with dash before. and the gedit debug tells me "(gedit_dbus_run)" this is why I assume some problem inside of DBUS
[17:42] <koolhead11> cjwatson: got few minutes
[17:43] <micahg> achiang: ok, I'll have to come back to this later, thanks for the help
[17:43] <achiang> micahg: i think that is the first step, try -Os instead of -O2 or -O1
[17:43] <achiang> micahg: sure
[18:27] <Laney> jussi: no
[18:27] <Laney> but i trust your editorship skills
[18:28] <jussi> Laney: wasnt me, but Pici. but still :)
[18:28] <jussi> Laney: also, no need for the "learn"
[18:28] <Laney> ok
[18:28] <Laney> where did i get that from?
[18:34] <jussi> Laney: some bots require it
[18:34] <Laney> probably the supybot we use for debian-cli
[19:04] <jtaylor> new packages are automacitally synced to precise or? (when in testing)
[19:05] <tumbleweed> semi-automatically. archive-admins review them
[19:06] <jtaylor> but one does not need to request it?
[19:06] <jtaylor> there are a couple of sync bugs for new packages, should I close them as invalid?
[19:06] <Laney> if you want it done right away
[19:07] <tumbleweed> or if they were removed and are being re-added or something
[20:32] <Laney> lucas: can you apply this to udd: http://paste.debian.net/139534/ ? and alter the ubuntu_upload_history to add the component column (and set it to "N/A" for all existing rows)?
[20:36] <tumbleweed> components \o/
[21:47] <cjwatson> jtaylor: sync bugs for new packages can be added to the ubuntu-archive queue; if it happens that I've already done them as part of my gradual bulk review, I'll close them myself
[21:47] <cjwatson> jtaylor: I don't mind us getting requests for queue-jumping though
[22:55] <Laney> crontab: installing new crontab
[22:55] <Laney> using the new lp gatherer now
[22:55]  * Laney expects angry emails in the morning when it breaks udd


[02:50] <[Relic]> oh well, back to 14.04, no multihead and can't get wayland and nvidia card to cooperate on 16.10
[03:15] <sintre> nice okular works
[03:15] <sintre> where is the blur out ttext tool
[03:15] <sintre> :)
[03:17] <sintre> need that added
[07:58] <HoolaHoop> Hi
[07:58] <HoolaHoop> How do you read man pages ?
[08:09] <Smurphy> man <manpage name>
[09:37] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:37] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:28] <BluesKaj> !webmin
[12:20] <R13ose> Hi
[12:56] <BRACCO69> bondi' regazz
[13:12] <BluesKaj> R13ose, how goes the wifi battle?
[13:22] <R13ose> BluesKaj: I did what lordievader said and came out with me in the nmcli area then after exiting that says usage save.  Something was not right
[13:23] <BluesKaj> did you change the freq from 5 to 2,4Ghz or run both on your router ?
[13:26] <R13ose> Didn't change anything on router yet.
[13:30] <R13ose> BluesKaj: I see 2.4 and 5 are both on in settings
[13:31] <BluesKaj> R13ose, then you'll have to change your setting in NM on the laptop
[13:36] <R13ose> BluesKaj: can't find wireless network.
[13:37] <BluesKaj> on 2.4Ghz ?
[13:38] <R13ose> I can't tell if I am on 2.4Ghz or looking only for 2.4Ghz
[13:40] <R13ose> BluesKaj: ^
[13:51] <BluesKaj> R13ose, unfortunately i can't simulate your setup since my laptop wifi uses 2.4Ghz only
[13:53] <R13ose> BluesKaj: yes but how do you know that?
[13:55] <BluesKaj> because i tried to use 5Ghz only on my TP-Link router and the laptop didn't pick it up , so i checked my laptop specs and sure enough not 5Ghz enabled
[13:58] <R13ose> How do I disable 5Ghz?
[14:00] <BluesKaj> on the router
[14:06] <R13ose> There must be a way on laptop and if not then I will do router.
[14:08] <BluesKaj> you shouldn't need to turn off 5Ghz on the router
[14:10] <BluesKaj> most decent routers broadcast both simultaneously
[14:14] <R13ose> BluesKaj: right but you said disable this on router
[14:16] <BluesKaj> R13ose, yes that's where it's done , but it shouldn't be necessary
[14:18] <BluesKaj> also the router should have a broadcast power setting , set it o maximum power if possible
[14:18] <BluesKaj> o=to
[14:22] <R13ose> BluesKaj: transmit power is max
[15:00] <windwalker78> Hi, can somebody invite me to #linux , please.
[15:05] <R13ose> windwalker78: doesn't #linux go to ##linux?
[15:11] <windwalker78> R13ose: I need linux. If I try to connect it says: #linux Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited
[15:12] <R13ose> windwalker78: try joining ##linux
[15:13] <windwalker78> R13ose: now it says: Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services :(
[15:14] <windwalker78> Thank you, anyway.
[15:15] <BluesKaj> !register | windwalker78
[15:16] <windwalker78> BluesKaj: Thank you!
[15:17] <BluesKaj> windwalker78, yw
[16:45] <kwidzius> hi all
[16:45] <kwidzius> Hi guys I need some help with Kubuntu 16.04
[16:46] <buriedalive> hey
[16:46] <buriedalive> I having 14.04, sorry
[16:47] <kwidzius> Is there any experiance linux user/admin
[16:48] <R13ose> How do I only allow 2.4Ghz on my wireless connections?
[17:03] <BluesKaj> R13ose, change the setting in your router
[17:04] <R13ose> BluesKaj: okay, I will
 Question
 ```make -E cmake_link_script CMakeFiles/kcm_locale.dir/link.txt --verbose=1 … /usr/bin/x86_64-linux-gnu-g++  -fPIC -g -O2 -fstack-protector-strong -Wformat -Werror=format-security -Wdate-time -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -Wdate-time -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2  -Wnon-virtual-dtor -Wno-long-long -Wundef -Wcast-align -Wchar-subscripts -Wall -W -Wpointer-arith -Wformat-security -fno-exceptions -DQT_NO_EXCEPTIONS -fno-check-new -fno-common -Woverl
 is there a libkubuntu?
[17:37] <dax> Unit193: might want to ponder ^
 it does... just found it
 but it isn't linking... hummm...
[20:27] <mas886> Hey! Is there a way to open .iso files using Ark?
[20:35] <BluesKaj> mas886, yes, right click on the iso and choose "open with"
[20:36] <mas886> BluesKaj: "File is empty or Ark couldn't load it's content"
[20:36] <BluesKaj> what kind of iso is it?
[20:36] <diogenes_> mas886, you open iso with iso mounter
[20:37] <BluesKaj> diogenes_, I can open isos here with ark
[20:38] <mas886> diogenes_: Just that I want to uncompress the iso, not mount it.
[20:38] <mas886> BluesKaj: Hm okay, maybe it's iso's fault.
[22:04] <krise> Hi. I made fresh Kubuntu install and now when im tryng to start Kmail i get error message that says The akonadi personal information management system is not operational.
[22:04] <krise> how can i fix this
[22:59] <Unit193> dax: I had to exempt IrcsomeBot.
[23:07] <dax> Unit193: figured it'd be something like that. thanks :)


[00:58] <jyo> pleia2: Sounds good. See you tomorrow.
[01:31] <pleia2> so many cookies
[01:32] <nhaines> The best kind of problem!
[01:33] <pleia2> got 120 cookies, massive bag of tortilla chips and salsa
[01:33] <pleia2> some other chips
[01:33] <pleia2> nhaines: oh! eps suggested for you: http://us.megabus.com/
[01:33] <darthrobot> Title: [megabus.com | Now serving over 30 million bus customers in North America]
[01:34] <nhaines> pleia2: fantastic.  :)
[01:34] <nhaines> I zeroed in on a convenient $69 United flight... just have to figure out this thing called "mass transit"
[01:34] <pleia2> BART will take you right to the airport
[01:35] <nhaines> So it's been rumored.  :)
[01:35] <pleia2> hehe
[01:35] <pleia2> what time is your flight?
[01:35] <nhaines> Would be 12:52.
[01:36] <pleia2> ah, mines at 1:45 and the husband always likes to run late
[01:36] <nhaines> ha  :)  Well, it'd be Saturday flight anyway.
[01:36] <nhaines> It's $24,000,000 to fly out on Friday.
[01:36] <pleia2> ah, ok
[01:36] <pleia2> lol
[01:37] <nhaines> Plus taxes and fees.
[01:37] <arrith> small price to pay
[01:37] <arrith> for the night of a lifetiimme
[01:37] <nhaines> haha
[01:38] <arrith> everyone will be so surprised when mark shuttleworth bursts out of the cake
[01:38] <arrith> oops, no one heard me say that
[01:38] <nhaines> Strategically-placed frosting.
[01:38] <nhaines> Okay, no promises but it's looking so don't be surprised if I'm around tomorrow.  :)
[01:39]  * pleia2 fingers crossed
[01:39] <arrith> woo
[01:40] <pleia2> rww: we need quiz questions :) did you get the shared doc?
[01:40] <rww> oh, that's what was on my todo list wasn't it
[01:40] <rww> yep, sec
[01:40] <pleia2> I came up with one
[01:41] <pleia2> 2!
[01:41] <arrith> you could make it easy... or get tricky. like easy matching release names with versions
[01:42] <arrith> but then say, release to drop ppc, first release with juju support, first release with unity, openstack thing maybe
[01:42] <arrith> hm i don't know these actually so nvm, don't do things i don't know D:
[01:43] <pleia2> lol
[01:46] <pleia2> rww: I figure 10 questions is good
[01:47] <rww> maybe make more and cut out the bad ones?
[01:47] <pleia2> sure
[01:53] <rww> Rejected question: In 10 words or less, explain what windicators are and why they’re awesome.
[01:53] <pleia2> hahah
[01:55] <rww> "Name 3 current projects jono is working on and will appreciate us plugging"
[01:55] <pleia2> "Who is Jono Bacon, and what would you do for a signed copy of his book?"
[01:58] <rww> "what's the longest word you can form using only letters that have ubuntu releases associated with them"
[01:58] <rww> i actually kind of like that one, but there are drinks at this thing so it probably wouldn't work
[01:59] <pleia2> so that's a thing, just sodas
[01:59] <pleia2> +juice, water
[01:59] <pleia2> I figure I tell people "this ends at 9PM, let's go find a bar"
[01:59] <pleia2> (except not me, because I can't drink right now)
[02:00] <rww> (or me, so I am not unhappy about this)
[02:00] <pleia2> :)
[02:00] <pleia2> thirsty bear after party!
[02:00] <arrith> oooh
[02:05] <pleia2> rww: I got bored, we should trim list
[02:06] <rww> ok
[02:06] <rww> +1/-1 everything and then take the top answers
[02:06] <rww> or idk
[02:10] <pleia2> rww: I'll print the answer key in case we have others checking surveys, then delete and print these up
[02:11] <rww> woot
[02:26] <jyo> pleia2: Cellarmaker is a smidge closer to AdRoll (in the opposite direction on Howard) than Thirsty Bear but the latter obviously has more capacity.
[02:28] <pleia2> jyo: you shall lead the way then! (I'm not going, too much to do before my trip on friday)
[02:28] <jyo> We'll play it by ear on how much more imbibing people want to do. :)
[02:30] <pleia2> hehe
[02:55] <rww> evenin' Flannel
[02:56] <rww> oh, whoops, this isn't #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:58] <Flannel> rww: Howdy Howdy
[15:54] <raevol> almost friday!
[16:31] <pleia2> philipballew: since you show your event ending before it begins, people can't RSVP or see it in our events list anymore: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/2765-ubuntu-san-diego-1404-release-party/
[16:31] <darthrobot> Title: [Ubuntu San Diego 14.04 Release Party | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal]
[16:31] <pleia2> might want to fix that :)
[16:31] <pleia2> starts at 7PM, ends at 9AM
[16:33] <raevol> we do what we want in san diego
[16:36] <pleia2> hehe
[16:41] <raevol> ;) i'll text him
[16:49] <pleia2> in case anyone else wants to use them, these are the slides I plan to use tonight: http://princessleia.com/presentations/1404-whats-new.pdf (swap out .pdf for .odp at the same URL for libreoffice version)
[16:49] <darthrobot> Content type: [application/pdf] Size: [377167]
[16:51] <raevol> nice nice :)
[18:06] <philipballew>  pleia2 alright
[18:46] <raevol> philipballew: \o/
[18:53] <philipballew> heck yeah raevol
[19:26] <Darkwing> This should be fun.
[19:27] <Darkwing> I might be visiting out there a few times.
[19:41] <pleia2> Darkwing: yay visiting
[19:53] <Darkwing> pleia2: I have a second interview with the Linux Foundation tomorrow.
[19:53] <pleia2> Darkwing: ooh, good luck :)
[19:53] <Darkwing> :D
[19:54] <Darkwing> I made it though the first one yesterday before they finally asked me for my resume lol
[19:54] <pleia2> hehe
[19:55] <Darkwing> How is everything out in Cali?
[19:55] <pleia2> beautiful
[19:55] <DonkeyHotei> i was so hoping to have one or two or three trusty installs to bring tonight, no such luck (car trouble)
[19:55] <Darkwing> LOL
[19:55] <pleia2> DonkeyHotei: no worries, I think we've got about 5 laptops, should be good :)
[19:56] <Darkwing> DonkeyHotei: I wasn't laughing at you... :/
[19:56] <pleia2> not even sure how many people will play with them, mostly we're there to eat
[19:57] <DonkeyHotei> it's sad that win8 is still the only viable touchscreen-oriented OS when half of all the new laptops in stores have touchscreens
[19:58] <DonkeyHotei> kubuntu-active is dead in the water, and ubuntu won't do unity8 till utopic
[19:59] <Darkwing> kubuntu-desktop with search and contain works well for touch screens
[20:00] <DonkeyHotei> it's not specifically touch oriented like active, though
[20:00] <Darkwing> True
[20:00] <DonkeyHotei> and the number of people working on kubuntu-active is zero
[20:15]  * ianorlin worries I would get my touch screen dirty and not clean it
[20:16] <pleia2> pizzas ordered! (don't worry, they won't deliver until 6:30 :))
[20:17] <DonkeyHotei> pleia2: i rsvp'ed late
[20:18] <pleia2> DonkeyHotei: I saw, no worries :)
[20:18] <pleia2> I actually have no idea how much pizza to order, this should be fun
[20:18] <DonkeyHotei> for me, a meal is typically 3 slices
[20:19] <pleia2> ordered 9 giant ones (8 slices each, cut into 12) for 40-60 people, plus we have chips and salsa, 120 cookies
[20:19] <pleia2> someone better take leftovers home, I'm travelling tomorrow
[20:19] <DonkeyHotei> watch the chips and salsa be grossly mismatched in quantity
[20:20] <DonkeyHotei> as for taking leftovers home, i'm assuming nearly everyone will arrive by transit
[20:22]  * ianorlin can't make it to San Diego or San Francisco
[20:22] <DonkeyHotei> ianorlin: where are you?
[20:24] <DonkeyHotei> that's me in irssi in a tmux session, since i'll leave the laptop here and have only my phone to get online with
[20:25] <DonkeyHotei> and my phone has been having battery issues
[20:32] <ianorlin> Torrance
[20:32] <DonkeyHotei> there are no release parties in la-la land? seriously?
[20:33] <pleia2> there's an installfest next month
[20:33] <DonkeyHotei> you could go to that
[20:34] <ianorlin> I know
[20:35] <DonkeyHotei> my installation of trusty on a certain laptop has to wait until i have my car back
[20:37]  * ianorlin wonders when the next ubuntu users days will be
[20:38] <pleia2> ianorlin: probably July, but since we just wrapped up ubuntu open week this morning, I might die if I think about planning another event right now :)
[20:38] <DonkeyHotei> what are users days? sorry, i've been out of the loop too long
[20:38] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays
[20:38] <darthrobot> Title: [UserDays - Ubuntu Wiki]
[20:38] <pleia2> learn about ubuntu kind of deal
[20:43]  * ianorlin goes to eat lunch
[22:37] <DonkeyHotei> less than 2 hours till i leave
[23:31] <jyo> pleia2: Heading out in a sec. Lobby at 5p or..?
[23:31] <DonkeyHotei> lobby of what?
[23:32] <pleia2> jyo: yeah, just give me a call when you get here:<PHONE_NUMBER>
[23:32] <pleia2> DonkeyHotei: my home, he's helping me bring stuff over to the venue
[23:33] <jyo> pleia2: yep, already have it. See you in a bit.
[23:34] <DonkeyHotei> still in the same place?
[23:34] <jyo> Don't think AdRoll has moved despite raising another round.
[23:36] <DonkeyHotei> i meant does she still live in that building at 3rd and howard?
[23:36] <DonkeyHotei> *2nd


[00:12] <mapps> whos still around
[00:12] <mapps> wonder if i could put my machine outside in a shed and itd be ok hmm
[00:13] <daftykins> nah, moisture
[00:14] <mapps> would it be enough to do damage?
[00:14] <mapps> just its SO loud
[00:15] <daftykins> what is it? 0o
[00:16] <diddledan_> loud.
[00:16] <mapps> old dell desktop
[05:58] <MooDoo> hello all
[06:09] <Myrtti> whee
[06:09] <Myrtti> new Chrome works with Hangouts and Adobe Connect!
[06:16] <Myrtti> what's the current opinion on ISP's, which has the best price/quality ratio?
[06:17] <mapps> im on sky atm but got rubbish service
[06:17] <mapps> who u with atm?
[06:18] <Myrtti> TalkTalk Business and the speed has gone down the drain so badly we're looking at moving to fibre
[06:18] <Myrtti> no idea what's causing it
[06:18] <Myrtti> have tried all the tricks in the book
[06:23] <mapps> ah if you can get fttc  yea ust do that
[06:23] <mapps> i cant;(
[07:00] <dwatkins> I'm about to switch from IDNet to PlusNet as the price is the same, but PlusNet don't cap you at 200 GB a month downloaded.
[07:38] <Myrtti> the connection is so bad I feel like crying >____<
[07:48] <popey> Myrtti: I'm on virgin cable. fine here. rarely goes out, and is pretty quick http://www.speedtest.net/result/3487854745.png
[07:56] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy No Socks Day! :-D
[07:56] <popey> \o/ I have no socks on!
[07:58] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[07:58] <awilkins> Is it really No Socks Day?
[07:58] <awilkins> So it is
[07:59] <nigelb> Indeed. I'm not running today. I shall not be wearing socks.
[08:00]  * jussi throws smelly socks at nigelb
[08:01] <jussi> and its way too cold in my house for no socks. sorry.
[08:01] <nigelb> It's warm and mildly rainy here :)
[08:02] <awilkins> I can't believe I drove 50 miles for this shit
[08:02] <awilkins> OOps, apologies
[08:03] <awilkins> For any youths watching - that is a bad word and should not be repeated in polite company
[08:04] <awilkins> popey, I'm going to have to light a rocket under Virgin's butt... I only get about 25Mbit/s on my allegedly 60Mbit/s line
[08:04] <awilkins> Supposed to be upgraded to 100Mbit/s here this year as well
[08:05] <popey> mine was supposed to be next year
[08:05] <popey> then suddenly my modem rebooted one day and it was faster
[08:06] <awilkins> Have a feeling my wire may be poorly sick
[08:06] <awilkins> My modem says 60Mbit/s but I only get 25Mbit/s
[08:06] <awilkins> Maybe my impedance is off
[08:06] <awilkins> Although the local router has a history of congestion
[08:07] <awilkins> There was a time I was getting 150ms pings to the first hop because of all the little scrotes around where I live constantly torrenting things
[08:08] <Myrtti> yeah no cable for us
[08:09] <awilkins> VM sez : speed upgrade between Jan 2015 and June 1015
[08:09] <awilkins> TBH I don't care about raw bandwidth
[08:09] <awilkins> As long as I get consistent service and low pings, 25Mbit/s is totally enough for my needs
[08:10] <awilkins> I used to be very happy with 512Kbit/s
[08:10] <awilkins> If it's enough to get an OS ISO in less than 15 minutes, it's good enough
[08:10] <awilkins> Can install most triple-A games in about 2-3 hours so it's all good.
[08:13] <Myrtti> yeah there was a moment yesterday when I couldn't be in a Google Hangout and use Ryanair website at the same time
[08:13] <Myrtti> and the Hangout is choppy
[08:14] <awilkins> Knowing Ryanair, they probably wanted you to pay a supplement for extra server bandwidth
[08:14] <Myrtti> their website is a lot better now than it was six months ago
[08:15]  * awilkins pitches the idea of them getting people to pay for access to the new website
[08:28] <foobarry> realised i no longer have a cap on my broadband
[08:29] <bashrc> morning
[08:46] <foobarry> happiness is all of your esxi hosts in compliance with the host profile :)
[08:47] <TwistedLucidity> popey: I'm on VM too, just wish their up-speed wasn't so poor.
[08:47] <popey> meh
[08:47] <popey> although, having said "meh", I could possibly move services back to home now it's fairly quick
[08:47] <TwistedLucidity> It is really stable though, and (unofficial) static IP too.
[08:48] <popey> yeah
[08:48] <TwistedLucidity> You running off their SuperFlub, or just using that as a modem?
[08:48] <Laney> looking at moving currently and the lack of fast broadband turned me off a place I otherwise liked :(
[08:49] <TwistedLucidity> When I next move, I'll be dropping down to 7Mbps - and that's in a major city
[08:50] <TwistedLucidity> There's cable past the entrance to the street, but NTL didn't run the cable *into* the street. So whilst it is all around, I can't get any.
[08:50] <Laney> yep
[08:50] <Laney> they've not run cable to new build estates in nottm, and fttc/p generally hasn't rolled out either
[08:50] <TwistedLucidity> You in Notts then?
[08:50] <Laney> ya
[08:51] <popey> i have a netgear device behind my modem
[08:51] <popey> modem is in "modem only" mode
[08:51] <TwistedLucidity> Laney: Come along to Notts LUG!
[08:51] <Laney> haha
[08:51] <Laney> I heard they were quite ... beery
[08:51] <TwistedLucidity> popey: Snap - although mine's a Buffalo unit. It's great to have a router that actually does stuff.
[08:51] <TwistedLucidity> Laney: And what's wrong with that?
[08:51]  * TwistedLucidity falls over
[08:52] <ujjain2> I have sdb,sdc,sdd but no sda, does that mean this drive is not connected? there is no /dev/sda, just 3
[09:25] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:25] <nigelb> Hello davmor2
[09:25] <davmor2> Todays tune stuck in my head is the 2cellos version of viva la vida from clodplay iirc
[09:26] <davmor2> nigelb: how do chap long time no see
[09:27] <foobarry> davmor2: i have hamza, abu hamza (to the tune of hands up baby hands up )
[09:27] <foobarry> :S
[09:29] <davmor2> foobarry: hooks up surely
[09:29] <nigelb> davmor2: I'm good :)
[09:30] <MooDoo> hello davmor2
[09:34] <foobarry> doctor asked for a poo sample to check for h. pylori
[09:34] <foobarry> taken me 6 weeks to sync up a morning dump with my wife going into town shortly after :S
[09:34] <foobarry> anyway, not a pleasant process in all
[09:35] <nigelb> TMI.
[09:35] <foobarry> no really, i could give a lot more
[09:35] <foobarry> ..
[09:35] <foobarry> but i wont
[09:36] <davmor2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37zPu-hCy3I  now everyone can share in the tune in my head
[09:36] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:40] <nigelb> davmor2: How have you been?
[09:41] <jussi> davmor2: thats a rather nice recital
[09:42] <davmor2> nigelb: I'm a bit meh at the minute
[09:46] <MooDoo> we're all a bit meh at the moment.
[09:47] <jussi> me also
[09:48] <jussi> mind, I watched Achmed this morning, apparently he has a son... :D (yes, Jeff Dunham is funny)
[09:54] <hoover> Hi folks
[09:55] <MooDoo> hello hoover
[09:55] <hoover> BRB, lunchtime
[10:34] <Ahmed412> hi all , i'm looking for some guidance
[10:34] <Ahmed412> who is welling to help?
[10:35] <dwatkins> Ahmed412: please describe the problem, someone may be able to offer assistance
[10:35] <Ahmed412> its not a problem
[10:35] <dwatkins> perhaps you could elaborate
[10:36] <Ahmed412> I want to run virtualbox application under any linux
[10:36] <dwatkins> "any" linux?
[10:38] <TwistedLucidity> Ahmed412: Goto VirtualBox webiste, download (you'll get the latest version from there, your repos may be old), follow install guide
[10:41] <Ahmed412> sorry
[10:42] <Ahmed412> yes i know , what i 'm looking for is the most lite linux version that can run virtual box
[10:43] <Ahmed412> so the original system doesn't take many resources
[10:43] <Ahmed412> so what do you suggest for most lite linux system?
[10:44] <diplo> You can run Virtualbox via the CLI, or use KVM/Qemu ?
[10:45] <Ahmed412> is CLI or KVM/Qemu an operating system ?
[10:47] <TwistedLucidity> CLI - Command Line Interface
[10:47] <TwistedLucidity> KVM - Kernel Virtualisation Module
[10:51] <Ahmed412> no i'm looking for the most unix linux ubunt distro that can run virtual box
[10:51] <Ahmed412> sorry the most lite distro
[10:52] <Ahmed412> so the pc resuorces doesn't waste between the host & guest systems
[10:53] <diplo> http://lubuntu.net/ or something like that will be lowest on resources, should be fine running virtual box
[10:53] <diplo> The thing is with the lighter distros you lose some functionality etc
[10:53] <Ahmed412> yes something like that will be lowest on resources
[10:54] <diplo> http://xubuntu.org/
[10:54] <diplo> Or that
[10:54] <Ahmed412> functionality is not my goal
[10:54] <Ahmed412> i will only use it to run virtual box or any virtualizing application
[10:55] <Ahmed412> all ubuntu family is not that lite i need
[10:57] <diplo> Well if you are only wanting to virtualise stuff why not just run a server ? Won't have any of the desktop resources running
[10:58] <foobarry> spontaneous pc reboot while plugging in my usb mouse
[10:59] <SuperEngineer> foobarry: replace that mouse / check your psu!
[11:00] <foobarry> maybe static?
[11:00] <SuperEngineer> errrmmm..... nah
[11:00] <foobarry> scrape shoes on carpet, mouse touches the metal of my hdmi port, causes reboot
[11:00] <SuperEngineer> now you say :D
[11:01] <Ahmed412> thanks looks great idea
[11:03] <SuperEngineer> foobarry: connect pc to lightning conducter... just as effective ;)
[11:04] <Ahmed412> diplo: could you suggest me a server distro
[11:05] <SuperEngineer> cough... Ubuntu... cough
[11:05] <TwistedLucidity> Ahmed412: I use Ubuntu Server with KVM. Works well.
[11:05] <TwistedLucidity> I use VirtMan on a client to control the Guests
[11:05] <diplo> Well as SuperEngineer so eloquently put it and now TwistedLucidity youre in a Ubuntu channel so better advise that :)
[11:06] <diplo> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server
[11:06] <TwistedLucidity> diplo: I am advising Ubuntu as it is easy to set-up and there are pretty good docs; seems to me that Ahmed412 will need those (given they needed to query CLI and KVM)
[11:07] <SuperEngineer> agreed
[11:07] <TwistedLucidity> Ahmed412: If you are totally new to virtualisation, run VirtualBox on a desktop first. Get an understanding what is going on.
[11:07] <TwistedLucidity> Ahmed412: Then worry about KVM etc.
[11:09] <Ahmed412> i know virtualizing but on windows
[11:10]  * SuperEngineer screams in fear
[11:10] <Ahmed412> what i'm trying to do is to run specific applications on virtualized windows under unix
[11:11] <Ahmed412> as wine doesn't compatiple with this application
[11:12] <SuperEngineer> Ahmed412: have you checked on WineHQ for any help in getting it to run
[11:13] <SuperEngineer> http://www.winehq.org/
[11:14] <Laney> slow club on 6 music currently ♥
[11:14] <Ahmed412> thanks guys for your advices & support, bye
[11:21] <SuperEngineer> Thinking of virtualbox... downloaded Tails yesterday... just fired it up in VirtualBox.
[11:22] <SuperEngineer> It  evens detects & warns you that you are using virtual machine & therefore underlying opsys *will* know about the stuff it hopes to keep private.   And this smart receipts app isn't tied to any online service, so i can tie in the data to whatever i want to use.
[14:05] <NET||abuse> so my problem is, how to deal with receipts like sainsburries.
[14:06] <NET||abuse> the app itself isn't the sisue
[14:13] <NET||abuse> well, personal finances are grand, i need expese tracking and small company accounts stuff.. was going to start a go-lang project.
[14:14] <diddledan_> golang is funky
[14:21] <NET||abuse> diddledan_: yeh, i've built a couple little basic tools for myself in it, just really digging into the net/http or mux wrappers for it to start doing web apps now
[14:22] <diddledan_> even more funky is: https://github.com/gopherjs/gopherjs
[14:22] <NET||abuse> and have to work on database stuff next,, for finance mangement, i think rdbms is the best option, so mysql is the obvious choice as that's what i know best, but i was wondering what would a non sql based db offer for finance.
[14:24] <NET||abuse> diddledan_: oh god, more transcody fun, that stuff melts my head.
[14:26] <NET||abuse> saw some talks in go group about llvm and transcompiling to other things or from js to golang
[14:29] <TwistedLucidity> NET||abuse: Careful of trying to solve and problem that is already (or mostly) solved. There's a glut of expenses management applications around. Most based on double-entry.
[14:29] <TwistedLucidity> It might be better to find one that is close and extend that.
[14:29] <TwistedLucidity> Unless you're doing it for pure interest/learning of course; in which case, have at it.
[14:29] <NET||abuse> :( but then i dont get to bitch and moan how hard it is to code something like that from scratch
[14:30] <NET||abuse> :) half the fun is in doing it myself even if i spend a month or two at it in spare time only to abandon it later.. ultimately a good learning experience for go coding
[14:30] <TwistedLucidity> GNUCash and jGnash are beasts. One of them should do it.
[14:30] <TwistedLucidity> There's a KDE one too I think, name escapes me just now.
[14:31] <TwistedLucidity> And a CLI one that's meant to be really powerful (i.e. scriptable). Name also escapes me.
[14:31] <TwistedLucidity> I used to download my account statements as a CSV, sanitise them (for names, labels etc) and then load them into jGnash.
[14:31] <NET||abuse> there was that personal finances one mentioned earlier, fin
[14:32] <TwistedLucidity> It could recognise names and knew which account they should go into.
[14:32] <TwistedLucidity> No matter how much I polished it, the answer was always the same: You're broke, sunshine.
[14:32] <TwistedLucidity> :(
[14:32] <NET||abuse> wxbanker clipf kmymoney skrooge
[14:32] <NET||abuse> hehe, apt-cache search is fun
[14:33] <TwistedLucidity> Skrooge! That were it
[14:34] <bashrc> when I started keeping track of expenses I looked at GNUcash and it looked much too complex for what I needed
[14:36] <davmor2> NET||abuse: if you are on Trusty just use apt search :)
[14:36] <bashrc> fin is also scriptable.  you can stick it into .bashrc to tell you how little cash you have remaining
[14:37] <TwistedLucidity> bashrc: GNUcash is the equivalent of...thingy on Windows. It is rather complex because it is the sledgehammer for your personal finances walnut. It's really intended for business use AIUI.
[14:37] <TwistedLucidity> Quciken.
[14:37] <bashrc> yes that was my impression
[14:37] <TwistedLucidity> bashrc: That would be depressing.
[14:38] <davmor2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7416357/
[14:38] <TwistedLucidity> tl@foo -£1234.56 :~$
[14:38] <awilkins> Wonder if org-mode has a personal finances mangler...
[14:38] <awilkins> Does everything else...
[14:39] <awilkins> (except being usable from a decent text editor...)
[14:39] <bashrc> I'm not sure.  org-mode does a lot of stuff
[14:39] <bashrc> you can also make tables and use it like a spreadsheet
[14:40] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: have a look on libreoffice.org and openoffice.org they have some good personal finance templates for spreadsheets
[14:41] <foobarry> the call log on my android is now empty :-|
[14:41] <foobarry> i didn't do anything
[14:42] <davmor2> foobarry: you called wipe_my_phone.com didn't you :)
[14:43] <TwistedLucidity> davmor2: Cool. Thanks. I quite liked Skrooge when I looked, but don't have time to do everything at the moment. Evenings are rammed. :-(
[15:28] <NET||abuse> davmor2: really? ooh, scary changes.. i'm on 13.10 right now
[15:28] <NET||abuse> not jumped yet
[15:29] <davmor2> NET||abuse: Apt 1.0 on trusty, it lacks auto complete but everything else about it is nicer
[16:04] <directhex> ali1234, was it you who documented a process for doing uefi secure boot in ovmf?
[16:04] <ali1234> yeah
[16:04] <ali1234> but using windows tools
[16:05] <ali1234> http://al.robotfuzz.com/playing-with-uefi-secure-boot-part-1-ovmf/
[16:06] <directhex> ali1234, did you sign a kernel+initrd?
[16:06] <ali1234> no
[16:06] <ali1234> only uefi "hello world"
[16:07] <directhex> damn, must've been someone else
[18:15] <darrenr> fsdf
[19:08] <Richard> hard
[19:09] <diddledan_> must resist family unfriendly comment
[19:17] <daftykins> diddledan_: ;)
[19:23] <daftykins> i think it may be a curry night
[19:23] <daftykins> Liberation Day tomorrow!
[19:43] <shauno> bit of a bummer that the UK doesn't do anything for VE day :/
[19:47] <daftykins> that *is* a surprise
[19:51] <shauno> I know!  I mean, we earned it.  and it's a pretty epic excuse for having 3 bank holiday weekends in a row
[19:52] <daftykins> :D
[19:52] <daftykins> this coming Monday isn't one as well is it?
[19:52] <daftykins> presumably not based on my phone
[19:53] <shauno> nope :(
[19:54] <daftykins> ok time to nip down the curry house
[19:54] <daftykins> i'd try a restaurant tonight but i can't be bothered to fix my dishevelled (sp) appearance in order to attend :D
[22:27] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/05gdoiywpuqzxj7/storage.png