[08:57] <ogra_> kyrofa, hmm, did you see the softpedia article about your blog post ?
[09:00] <ogra_> ..."Now, the good news we want to share with you today is that the guys over at Canonical managed to implement support for the I2C communications protocol and General-purpose input/output (GPIO) on the Raspberry Pi 2 device for Ubuntu Core.
[09:00] <ogra_> Therefore, the Snappy Scope has now extra functionality, such as support for listing installed and stored snaps (.snap packages), as well as support for installing and uninstalling snaps."...
[09:01]  * ogra_ wonders why the scope needs GPIO when reading these lines ...  :P
[09:02] <svij> experts!
[09:12] <ogra_> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-core-receives-support-for-gpio-and-i2c-on-the-raspberry-pi-2-video-489854.shtml for reference btw
[09:38] <zyga> hey, I was using snapcraft run to test my snap
[09:39] <zyga> but it failed to install in a way I don't understand:
[09:39] <zyga> 2015/08/24 09:28:44 Signature check failed, but installing anyway as requested
[09:39] <zyga> no config found for this snap
[09:39] <zyga> the "no config found for this snap" is the last thing I get before the install command fails (snappy install on the device)
[09:39] <zyga> any ideas what that means?
[09:46] <Chipaca> zyga: strange, can you pastebin the whole thing from the command you use to install on?
[09:47] <zyga> Chipaca: yep
[09:47] <zyga> Chipaca: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12182344/
[09:48] <zyga> Chipaca: it's not the full log but it's pretty boring at the top
[09:48] <zyga> Chipaca: I can give you the snap if you want
[09:49] <Chipaca> zyga: please
[09:49] <mvo> zyga: anything special in the snap, i.e. does it actually have a config handler
[09:49] <mvo> hey Chipaca good morning
[09:49] <zyga> mvo: not that I can think
[09:49] <zyga> I'll show you the snapcraft yaml
[09:49] <Chipaca> zyga: do you have any other *.snap other than the one you were expecting to have?
[09:49] <zyga> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12182360/
[09:49] <zyga> ohh
[09:50]  * Chipaca grumbles about snapcraft doing "scp *.snap"
[09:50] <zyga> yes
[09:50] <zyga> yes
[09:50] <zyga> thanks
[09:50] <zyga> Chipaca: I fixed a lot of bugs in snapcraft but I realized this is still using *.snap there
[09:50] <Chipaca> mvo: good morning sah!
[09:50] <zyga> Chipaca: so is this more like an update issue?
[09:50] <zyga> or is it related to the new snap
[09:51] <Chipaca> zyga: I don't know. Can you put the actual generated snap somewhere?
[09:51] <zyga> Chipaca: yep, copying to chinstrap, to ~zyga
[09:51] <zyga> Chipaca: it's a private snap so please don't share it
[09:51] <zyga> Chipaca: ETA ~2m
[09:52] <Chipaca> zyga: ok, ta
[09:57] <zyga> Chipaca: done, can you get it from chinstrap?
[09:57] <Chipaca> a ver...?
[09:58] <Chipaca> zyga: yep
[09:58] <Chipaca> done
[09:59] <Chipaca> aha
[09:59] <Chipaca> zyga: it works here
[09:59] <zyga> Chipaca: weird
[09:59] <Chipaca> zyga: can you check whether it's installing and then trying to run config on it?
[09:59] <Chipaca> zyga: e.g., install it by hand
[10:00] <Chipaca> zyga: because what it looks like is that the install is succeeding, and then snapcraft tries to do "snappy config", which fails
[10:00] <Chipaca> but the command that is in the traceback does not support that
[10:00] <zyga> Chipaca: please refresh my memory, what is snappy config?
[10:00] <Chipaca> so a possibility is that there's a broken try/except that's masking the proper command
[10:00] <Chipaca> zyga: a way for snaps to be configured
[10:00] <Chipaca> zyga: but it's separate from installation
[10:01] <Chipaca> zyga: you'd run 'sudo snappy config package < configfile' and the config file would be passed to a config hook in your package
[10:01] <Chipaca> zyga: (idea is to at some point have a schema so a config interface can be created automagically)
[10:02] <zyga> Chipaca: I don't have any hooks myself, where are hooks specified? are they per par or on the whole snap?
[10:02] <Chipaca> zyga: i could answer that question, but i believe you are misunderstanding what i think the problem is
[10:03] <Chipaca> zyga: your snap has no config
[10:03] <Chipaca> zyga: no config hook
[10:03] <Chipaca> zyga: so running "snappy config" will fail, with exactly the error you print
[10:03] <Chipaca> zyga: "snappy install" does not run "snappy config"
[10:03] <Chipaca> zyga: so it's possible snapcraft is running config after install itself
[10:04] <zyga> hmm, odd, is it?
[10:04] <Chipaca> zyga: you could confirm this if you did "snappy install" yourself, manually instead of through snapcraft
[10:04] <zyga> Chipaca: I read the code just now, it's not doing snappy config
[10:04] <zyga> Chipaca: it's only doing sudo snappy install *.snap
[10:05] <Chipaca> oooooooooohhhhhh
[10:05] <Chipaca> it's the *.snap thing!
[10:05] <Chipaca>   snappy [OPTIONS] install [install-OPTIONS] [package name] [config file]
[10:06] <zyga> Chipaca: I have a patch for that section but I did not change the meaning really
[10:06] <zyga> ah
[10:06] <zyga> heheheh
[10:06] <zyga> nice!
[10:06] <zyga> Chipaca: I'll fix that localyl
[10:06] <zyga> Chipaca: and send you MRs
[10:06] <Chipaca> zyga: i hope that was a plural you :) 'cause i'm not on snapcraft right now
[10:06] <zyga> ah
[10:06] <zyga> I didn't know that
[10:06] <zyga> I'll just send it to lp:snapcraft, I'm sure someone can be poked into reviewing and landing them
[10:08] <Chipaca> zyga: thanks :)
[10:24] <mvo> ogra_: how is the uboot.env stuff is looking? any issues so far? or did we finally kill the corruption issues?
[10:24]  * mvo is catching up on the last weeks
[10:24] <ogra_> mvo, all fine and stable
[10:24] <mvo> yay!
[10:24] <mvo> \o/
[10:24] <ogra_> no issues so far
[10:24] <ogra_> (at least i havent heard anything in that direction)
[10:24] <ogra_> documentation updates are missing ... for the porting doc
[10:26] <mvo> ogra_: thanks, that sounds like (hopefully) something straightforward
[10:27] <ogra_> kind of, yeah :)
[11:12]  * Chipaca ~> the search of the lost lunch
[11:13]  * ogra_ hands Chipaca a faded map with a dotted line and cross on it
[11:22] <davmor2> Chipaca: the map is a lie, it's to pirate treasure, you'll starve before you get there and ogra_ will eat your food cause he's like that ;)
[11:23] <ogra_> omnomnomnom
[11:36] <mvo> Chipaca: could you please set the prereq branch to schmideload in the service-endisable branch? so that the diff is easier to read :)
[11:57] <ogra_> mvo, wrt bug 1479711 ... do you think we should backport it to 15.04 ?
[11:57]  * ogra_ just uploaded the change to wily
[11:59] <mvo> ogra_: probably yes
[11:59] <ogra_> ok, i'll shelve it until i hear back from ricmm_ about the resize tests on 15.04
[12:00] <ogra_> (dont want to taint the testing right now)
[12:09] <ogra_> hmm, we have 132 open bugs ... and only 33 of them are triaged at all, the rest is in undecided state
[12:11] <ogra_> pitti, do you happen to have any hint for bug 1485683 ? smells like an ordering prob of the units or some such
[12:24] <kyrofa> ogra_, eh? No!
[12:24] <ogra_> heh
[12:43] <pitti> ogra_: replied
[12:45] <kyrofa> ogra_, haha, read the article. Thanks for the reference! Indeed, not sure how informed the author was, but it's good press anyway :)
[12:47] <kyrofa> ogra_, and they were obviously thrilled with your work!
[12:48] <ogra_> pitti, ah, cool ... though i wonder if we should perhaps move the sysctl stuff out of systemd in this case ... we might want values to be set before mounting for example
[12:48] <ogra_> i guess there is a reason why it usually runs early
[12:48] <ogra_> yeah, but it make one wonder why the snap scope needs I2C to work :)
[12:48] <ogra_> *makes
[12:48] <ogra_> heh
[12:49] <kyrofa> ogra_, yeah, my fault for writing about both in the same article :P
[12:49] <ogra_> yeah, two topics in the same article is to much for some :)
[12:53] <kyrofa> ogra_, haha, I'll keep that in mind
[13:41] <ogra_> wow, searching for snapcraft gets me a ton of minecraft posts on google
[13:41] <ogra_> the actual howto is the pre-last hit
[13:43] <ogra_> GRRR
[13:44]  * ogra_ curses finger memory
[13:44] <ogra_> ogra@anubis:~$ sudo snappy install snapcraft
[13:44] <ogra_> Installing snapcraft
[13:44] <ogra_> snapcraft failed to install: snappy package not found
[13:44] <ogra_> :P
[13:57] <longsleep> Chipaca: do you have an opinion on bug #1484641 - does one need to implement restart logic in the snap or should that be done automatically? I am also wondering on when/if the config hook is run on installation.
[13:57] <nothal> Bug #1484641: snappy config command does not restart service after setting the configuration <Snappy:New> <http://launchpad.net/bugs/1484641>
[13:57] <Chipaca> longsleep: the config hook is run on install if you give it a config argument
[13:57] <ogra_> bah
[13:58] <ogra_> snapcraft downloading is unbelivable noisy
[13:58] <longsleep> Chipaca: config argument like snappy install mysnap --config ?
[13:58] <Chipaca> longsleep: i don't have an opinion as to whether a service should be restarted on config; wouldn't the config hook know whether it needs to do this or not?
[13:58] <longsleep> Chipaca: yes it would, though the docs say that the systemd service is restarted
[13:59] <longsleep> Chipaca: and that is the usual thing to do, and i think that cannot be done from the config hook can it?
[13:59] <Chipaca> longsleep:
[13:59] <Chipaca>   snappy [OPTIONS] install [install-OPTIONS] [package name] [config file]
[13:59] <Chipaca> longsleep: (from snappy install --help)
[14:00] <Chipaca> interestingly, that does not appear in the manpage that's generated from the same information
[14:00] <Chipaca> silly go-flags
[14:01] <longsleep> Chipaca: ok thats one way to do it, what about the configuration specified in the oem snap, do you know then this is applied. I mean if my oem snap provides config for a snap, does this get applied when the snap is installed later?
[14:02] <Chipaca> longsleep: i don't remember offhand, but i can look
[14:02] <Chipaca> give me a sec
[14:02] <longsleep> cool thanks
[14:03] <Chipaca> longsleep: it looks like it's applied on first boot
[14:05] <longsleep> Chipaca: ok, well i think that is good enough for my purpose then. Where i pre populate various snap configs.
[14:06] <rickspencer3> o/
[14:06] <rickspencer3> can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong here?
[14:06] <rickspencer3> (BeagleBoneBlack)ubuntu@localhost:~$ sudo snappy update
[14:06] <rickspencer3> another snappy is running, try again later
[14:07] <ogra_> wow
[14:07]  * rickspencer3 braces
[14:07] <rickspencer3> ogra_, I assume I did something very silly?
[14:07] <ogra_> no idea, i have never seen that :)
[14:07] <mvo> rickspencer3: nothing wrong, there is probably (90% confidence) just snappy autopilot running in the background and updating you
[14:08] <rickspencer3> oh
[14:08] <mvo> rickspencer3: its doing that automatically every couple of hours
[14:08] <rickspencer3> mvo, so, I just plugged it in for the first time in weeks, I guess it triggered then?
[14:08] <mvo> yeah
[14:08] <rickspencer3> so, I just wait?
[14:08] <mvo> I guess we need to improve the error message or (even nicer) "attach" to the running snappy so that you can see what its doing
[14:09] <rickspencer3> I guess I will get kicked out of my ssh session when it is done and reboots?
[14:09] <mvo> rickspencer3: yeah, just wait and/or check /var/log/syslog, iirc it prints some progress there
[14:09] <longsleep> try something like `ps ax|grep snappy`
[14:09] <rickspencer3> mvo, would you like me to log a bug?
[14:09] <mvo> rickspencer3: it will inform you about the reboot and give you a chance to cancel it
[14:09] <mvo> rickspencer3: yeah, please do
[14:11] <ogra_> mvo, we should make the message more clear
[14:11] <mvo> yep
[14:13] <longsleep> whoohoo mvo is processing all my bugs /cheer !!
[14:13] <rickspencer3> mvo, enjoy bug #1488114
[14:13] <nothal> Bug #1488114: Confusing message while manually updating during an automatic update <Snappy:New> <http://launchpad.net/bugs/1488114>
[14:13]  * rickspencer3 is going to try to make an led light up with snappy :)
[14:14] <ogra_> rickspencer3, whee, like edison !!!
[14:15] <rickspencer3> mvo, oh nice, I see it gives me 10 minutes before the automatic reboot
[14:18] <mvo> rickspencer3: yeah and it should also tell you how to cancel it
[14:19] <rickspencer3> yeah, it's all very clear and nice
[14:19] <mvo> great
[14:23] <rickspencer3> ogra_, does this diagram mean that P8_8 is a digital write pin? https://www.safaribooksonline.com/library/view/programming-the-beaglebone/9780071832120/images/figc-1.jpg
[14:24] <rickspencer3> i.e. if I want to send 5v to a breadboard, I use a jumper from one of those pins?
[14:24] <ogra_> uh, no idea, sorry ... and that diagram doesnt really say anything
[14:24] <ogra_> (apart from telling you where P8_8 sits)
[14:24] <rickspencer3> oh weird, it made the led glow slightly!
[14:25] <rickspencer3> ogra_, maybe this one is better?
[14:25] <rickspencer3> http://www.element14.com/community/servlet/JiveServlet/showImage/38-17874-209857/bbb-pinout.jpg
[14:25] <rickspencer3> looks like it is GPIO_67 ?
[14:26] <ogra_> rickspencer3, yeah, looks like you should be able to switch it by using GPIO_67
[14:26] <beuno> rickspencer3, http://beagleboard.org/static/images/cape-headers-digital.png
[14:26] <beuno> I use that
[14:26]  * rickspencer3 looks
[14:26] <ogra_> well, pretty much the same
[14:26] <beuno> I guess it's the same, but has the nice colors to distinguish
[14:27] <beuno> yeah
[14:27] <beuno> but you get red for electrical stuff!
[14:27] <rickspencer3> so, weird that it completed the circuit before I wrote any code!
[14:28] <rickspencer3> I guess when the GPIO pin is unitialized, it sends it electricity ;)
[14:28] <rickspencer3> now it's time to get control ;)
[14:30] <imuguruza> anyone using Snappy in OdroidC1??
[14:31] <ogra_> imuguruza, longsleep does
[14:32] <imuguruza> great, I just realized I have downloaded his img
[14:32] <imuguruza> longsleep: any chance of using I2C?
[14:33] <imuguruza> I have installed i2c-tools but can't open it
[15:02] <longsleep> imuguruza: you might have to load some modules
[15:02] <longsleep> imuguruza: i am using SPI with no problems, did not try I2C for a while
[15:02] <imuguruza> ok
[15:03] <imuguruza> I'm interested on SPI also
[15:03] <longsleep> well for spi you just load spicc and spidev module
[15:03] <longsleep> modprobe spicc
[15:03] <longsleep> modprobe spidev
[15:04] <longsleep> then you have /dev/spi.. and can use the examples from the linux kernel
[15:05] <longsleep> imuguruza: also the snappy image kernel has the same gear as the hardkernel kernel, so anything you try on normal Ubuntu should work on Snappy as well.
[15:05] <longsleep> ah yes
[15:05] <longsleep> modprobe aml_i2c
[15:05] <longsleep> should give you the i2c bus
[15:06] <imuguruza> longsleep: yes!
[15:06] <imuguruza> great, thanks!
[15:07] <longsleep> imuguruza: you are welcome
[15:24] <elopio> ogra_: when you sy boottest, do you mean something like this? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~canonical-ci-engineering/ubuntu-touch-boottest/trunk/view/head:/tests/boottest/debian/tests/boottest
[15:25] <ogra_> elopio, well, boot a VM with a new initrd and see if it comes up at all would be my first test
[15:26] <ogra_> then as a next step go through the initrd code and look what it does ... wherever applicable add a test to check that it did what it was supposed to do for each individual bit
[15:26] <elopio> ogra_: we already kind of have that. If the vm doesn't get an ip, the integration tests would fail.
[15:27] <ogra_> well, in the specific case of the resize script you would check if after first boot there is more then 10% unpatitioned spasce on the disk your writable partition lives on
[15:27] <ogra_> that would indicate that it failed to run
[15:28] <elopio> that we can easily add, sure. Let me start there.
[15:28] <ogra_> where we can test such stuff from the normal initrd bits we should do that as well
[15:29] <ogra_> many bits are hidden sadly ... like mounting ... since usually the last step is to move-mount the bits and pieces
[15:29] <ogra_> so the running system wouldnt see the initial mount or if there were failures ...
[15:29] <ogra_> such bits we cant really test
[15:31] <elopio> ogra_: there must be a way, but probably we will have to build it. Something that listens to the events that happen during that script, and record them.
[15:31] <ogra_> well, that would mean you test a hacked version of the initrd
[15:31] <elopio> if it's too hard, it might not be worth it to automate and we can just crowd test it.
[15:31] <ogra_> not sure how reliable we consider that
[15:32] <ogra_> we could add more logging all over the place though ... and you could at least parse that log from /dev/initramfs/
[15:34] <elopio> ogra_: as with everything we test, the idea is to catch some of the possible bugs, not all of them. Ideally the most important ones. And if we consider the impact of those bugs to be more expensive than to write the tests, then we automate the tests even if parts are faked.
[15:34] <elopio> ogra_: I think you could add at least one log message so we can easily check that the script ran.
[15:35] <elopio> if you add many more messages, that would affect the boot time, right?
[15:35] <ogra_> nah
[15:36] <ogra_> it would just be some echos and redirects
[15:36] <ogra_> shouldnt impact the boot time much
[15:36] <ogra_> if something seriously went wrong with the default script you most likely wont finish booting anyway
[15:37] <ogra_> the log would just be a finer grained view of what the general boot process did
[15:37] <elopio> ogra_: ok. So for testing, we need only one log message per branch. If you don't have any ifs, it's the same to have one log at the end or many logs.
[15:37] <elopio> but for debugging, more logs will help.
[15:37] <ogra_> indeed
[15:48] <rsalveti> elopio: ogra_: we might also be able to mock some of the core pieces of the initrd code, and test that when building the package
[15:49] <rsalveti> besides checking for logs after the system booted
[15:49] <rsalveti> but yeah, as elopio said, need to check for the complexity
[15:49] <elopio> and I insist that running the script standalone in an already booted system gives some value.
[15:49] <ogra_> yep
[15:49] <elopio> not a lot, but it will discover some obvious problems.
[15:49] <rsalveti> righy
[15:49] <rsalveti> *right
[15:50] <elopio> so during the boot, we can ignore those obvious problems and test for other things.
[16:21] <mcphail> Are there any resources/guides detailing best practice, caveats and gotchas for snappificating an existing package? I was wondering whether it would be helpful to have a cohort of "case studies" of existing packages to highlight these. Perhaps it would be useful for both package builders and snappy devs?
[16:26] <longsleep> mcphail: Take a look at https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/snapcraft/
[16:29] <mcphail> longsleep: that's not quite what I meant. I'm thinking more of focusing on the thing snappy doesn't handle well/easily such as man pages, bash completion etc


[00:25] <rodolfojcj> jrg: for anonymity I read some time ago about Tails (a Debian based distribution). I have no experience with that, however
[00:31] <jrg> i'm sure i'd have to take some extra steps to get the wifi working
[00:31] <jrg> sure wish everybody would just use an intel based wifi module in laptops that works in linux heh
[00:33] <jrg> rotzbub: only an i386 iso?
[01:01] <tzvika1> trying to upgrade to 15.04 from 14.04
[01:01] <tzvika1> getting could not calculate the upgrade error message
[01:01] <tzvika1> any idea?
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[08:00] <gabrimonfa> hi all, I'm on kubuntu 15.10. I cannot find which package contains debug symbols for /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Qml.so.5
[08:16] <svend-ev> Good morning
[08:23] <freiform> Hi, KMail is loosing my cutom shortcuts after a couple of seconds. I define ALT-A to archive Mail, this works for three, four mails, and then the shortcut is reset. A colleague has the same problem..
[09:52] <ShishKabab> Somehow, when logging into KDE after using Gnome (the previous Kubuntu release was totally broken for me), somehow Abiword starts despite never having used it. It's not listed  under Autostart however.  How can I prevent this?
[09:56] <Margus> does anybody experience repainting problems in Kubuntu 14.04?
[09:56] <Margus> for me only kde/qt widgets are corrupted, gtk world is unaffected
[10:21] <Margus> it seems PyCharm corrupts all Qt graphics
[10:22] <Margus> it doesn't do it immediately, but after using it for a while, all Qt apps repainting, graphics is misaligend
[10:22] <Margus> then, closing PyCharm, everyhthing will look okei again
[10:22] <Margus> how do I debug that_
[10:22] <Margus> how do I debug that?
[10:52] <chrisfromgreece> help !
[10:52] <lolmaus> I've installed fresh 15.10 and I'm missing Actions and Compress menus in Dolphin. How do I enable them?
[10:53] <chrisfromgreece> There is a problem with the newer kernel and amd proprietary drivers , when you try to install proprietary drivers system won't boot
[10:53] <chrisfromgreece> ...is it fixed or not?
[10:57] <chrisfromgreece> can you see my text ?
[11:01] <clivejo> chrisfromgreece: have you checked with the manufacturer of said propietary drivers?
[11:03] <chrisfromgreece> i know its a problem that will be solved in the future i allready used askubuntu
[11:07] <clivejo> chrisfromgreece: who is solving it?  The Ubuntu kernel team or AMD ?
[11:07] <chrisfromgreece> its just not supported by the newer kernel on ubuntu 15.10
[11:07] <chrisfromgreece> i dont know when will be solved
[11:08] <clivejo> You will have to wait until the kernel team apply a patch/fix the problem and use an older kernel that works
[11:09] <chrisfromgreece> how i can installer an older kernel on kubuntu 15.10
[11:09] <clivejo> it usually keeps an older version, when it installs a new old
[11:10] <clivejo> drop into the grub menu and see what options you have
[11:11] <clivejo> You press and hold your SHIFT key while booting to access grub
[11:12] <clivejo> chrisfromgreece: for more information about grub, see here - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[11:16] <chrisfromgreece> am i gonna be able to see an older kernel version on grub
[11:16] <chrisfromgreece> ?
[11:19] <chrisfromgreece> this thing was not supposed to happen
[11:30] <hateball> ack, they left too soon :\
[11:30] <hateball> it is a shame when people want help do not idle
[12:07] <mike_sta> Hi, I have a problem with the keyboard layout. It is stuck at English (US). Adding or changing the layout in the kcm module does not affect the actual layout. Using Kubuntu 15.10, KDE 5.15.0. Any ideas?
[12:08] <hateball> mike_sta: can you change it with setxkbmap ?
[12:15] <mike_sta> hateball: yes
[12:16] <hateball> hmmm, sadly not got a plasma 5 machine handy here
[12:16] <hateball> but someone surely will show up if you are patient :)
[13:17] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:17] <Smurphy> yo dude ...
[13:19] <BluesKaj> hi Smurphy
[13:44] <Smurphy> Boring day. Loocking at pcap day in day out currently ...
[13:45] <Smurphy> And all thta, because customer's can't configure switches correctly :(
[13:53] <BluesKaj> Smurphy, pcap?
[14:04] <TJ-> BluesKaj: packet capture; the network package file format used by libpcap, and the user tools tcpdump, wireshark, etc.
[14:06] <BluesKaj> TJ-, ok thanks
[14:09] <gombean> Hi all.
[14:09] <BluesKaj> hi gombean
[14:10] <gombean> I am trying to set a default application for magnet links in firefox.  Ktorrent is the only app in the list, but I use qBittorrent.  When I click 'Choose Application', it just opens a dolphin(-like) window.  How do I choose qbittorrent from here?
[14:10] <gombean> do i just choose /usr/bin/qbittorrent?
[14:14] <Smurphy> BluesKaj: pcap -> packet capture of network data.
[14:14] <BluesKaj> ktorrent is default, remove it and qbittorerent should open the next time you invoke a torrent url , how ever FF doesn't do magnetic links  without configuration, copy the magnet link location and click on the add url in qbittorent
[14:14] <BluesKaj> gombean,^
[14:14] <Smurphy> ktorrent does magnetic links
[14:15] <BluesKaj> yes, but ktorrent is a pita in other ways
[14:15] <gombean> qbiitorrent does magnet links fine
[14:16] <BluesKaj> gom yes it does if you don't use firefox browser
[14:16] <BluesKaj> gombean,^
[14:16] <gombean> i got it by adding /usr/bin/qbittorrent to app list for firefox magnet links and setting this as default.  now clicking on a magnet will automatically open the magnet in qbittorrent
[14:17] <gombean> unless I am missing something, this appears to work 100%
[14:19] <gombean> is /usr/bin/[app-name] the correct executable to use and are there cases where it is not?
[14:25] <BluesKaj> gombean, if you're unsure just use the locate packagename in the terminal
[14:27] <gombean> BluesKaj: nice one, thanks
[14:29] <BluesKaj> gom  where is the app list in firefox you just mentioned?
[14:29] <BluesKaj> gombean,^
[14:31] <gombean> BluesKaj: When I am on a 'certain' site and click on a magnet link... it just appears.  Ktorrent was the only one in the list until I added qBittorrent
[14:32] <gombean> BluesKaj: But now I notice that for an actual *.torrent file, I only see KTorrent in the list....!?
[14:32] <Smurphy> BluesKaj: in what ways  is ktorrent a pita ?
[14:33] <gombean> I will just uninstall KTorrent
[14:33] <gombean> Smurphy: just personal preference for me really
[14:34] <Smurphy> :}
[14:35] <gombean> all good :)
[14:36] <BluesKaj> gombean, I removed ktorrent , you eithe apt-get remove ktorrent in the terminal or use the packge manager , then qbittorrent will become the only alternative torrent cleint , hence the default
[14:38] <dougiel> so I installed 15.10 and I have not network or wifi - any thoughts?
[14:38] <BluesKaj> Smurphy, qbittorrent is more configurable for ports and download bandwidth etc..w're ikn the boonies and wife is a gamer so we needd more control overdownloading
[14:39] <BluesKaj> dougiel, which wifi chip?
[14:40] <dougiel> atheros 8151 if I recall... double checking
[14:41] <dougiel> Qualcomm Atheros AR8151 v2.0 Gigabit Ethernet (rev c0)
[14:41] <dougiel> Broadcom Corporation BCM4352 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter (rev 03)
[14:41] <hegemon8> o/ All
[14:41] <dougiel> \o
[14:42] <hegemon8> quick question, when if at all can i expect to see Muon software center to be back again? (The one with packages list like in synaptic
[14:43] <hegemon8> Discover is cool, but it lacks that small command tools that i could browse, You know the whole repo list?
[14:47] <Smurphy> BluesKaj: You're wife is a gamer ??? *lol* Cool. One thing we have in common then :D
[14:48] <Smurphy> Mine is addicted to games. Check this out -> http://stargate.solsys.org/mod.php?mod=blog&user=2&section=232
[14:48] <BluesKaj> dougiel, there's no reason why it shouldn't work . my bcm 4311 works just fine , most broadcoms do
[14:48] <Smurphy> BluesKaj: 3rd entry -> that's our gaming env.:D Parents gaming Env ! :D
[14:49] <BluesKaj> Smurphy, wife is a LOTRO and DDO gamer mostly
[14:50] <Smurphy> lol. Mine loves to play Skyrim, and we met while playing Left4dead. We still play left4dead2 on a regular base. I got a modded server at home for that :)
[14:51] <hegemon8> Left4Dead yay! ok, i'll ask my question again later, going to play now, Smurphy You've reminded me, that there are still zombies to kill...
[14:52] <BluesKaj> hegemon8, just install muon
[14:52] <hegemon8> see Ya :)
[14:52] <hegemon8> BluesKaj:
[14:53] <hegemon8> ok, is it a separate package then that Muon Discover comes with?
[14:53] <BluesKaj> muon discover and muon are 2 different packages, the old muon is much better
[14:54] <hegemon8> i had it in 14.04 with discover, and since 15.04 i guess it wasn't preinstalled
[14:54] <Smurphy> hegemon8: *rofl*: "Get up - there are zombies to kill and shit"
[14:54] <Smurphy> :D
[14:54] <hegemon8> Smurphy: i know right? :D let me install muon then :)
[14:54] <Smurphy> ;)
[14:55] <hegemon8> BluesKaj: ok, thx for clearing this, btw, naming them 2 muon doesn't make it obvious, but what ever, now i know :)
[14:55] <Smurphy> Problem for me, that left4dead2 is not fluid under linux, and I don't know why. Metro last light is faster under linux than under windows.
[14:55] <hegemon8> and BluesKaj true, i liked that "synaptic" kinda style when i know what i look for, but not exact name.
[14:56] <hegemon8> Smurphy: it runs quite well on my s...tty laptop
[14:56] <hegemon8> and man, i'm on gforce 315m
[14:57] <hegemon8> well, depends i guess
[14:57] <BluesKaj> I use muon as a package reference guide, more info about repos and dependencies etc,  even use it to purge or install stuff occasionally
[14:59] <hegemon8> BluesKaj: yes, i get Ya. Discover is nice to have and needed, i wonder if 2 coud get combined like "friendly view" and advanced ? Just an idea
[15:00]  * Smurphy has 2 dedicated gaming rigs, 8GB Ram, i5 2.6Ghz Quad-core CPU's, GTX660 Ti GPU's and SSD Disks (5 year old, will be replaced next year)
[15:00] <BluesKaj> hegemon8, I think muon discover is just a "dumbed down" gui for new useers
[15:03] <Guest49845> how do you put the volure in plasma5 (kubuntu 15.10) over 100%
[15:03] <Guest49845> it used to be called 'overdrive'
[15:03]  * BluesKaj and wife are an older retired couple who discovered the benefits of the internet after my retirement in '99, and it's given us something "to do" in our so called "golden years"
[15:04] <hegemon8> Guest49845: my lame way is to use vlc, but hopefully someone have better idea
[15:05] <hegemon8> and if this is mp3 or so, there was some volume normalizer command tool that i used to make my whole music collection to be at this same vevel, that makes a difference on a playlist.
[15:07] <hegemon8> BluesKaj: thats why i think its needed, but not preffered, as i'd rather update from cli instead from GUI - progress bar tells me nothing :) (i liked the way You could show details in synaptic and see the console output
[15:07] <Smurphy> BluesKaj: Niiiice... Well, we are just approaching the 50 ;) good to know we can still play after that ! :D
[15:08] <Guest49845> hegemon8: thanks - do you mean phoron-vlc?
[15:09] <hegemon8> nah, just simple vlc gui let me to go to 120% and i'm quite sure it was 200% before Guest49845
[15:12] <hegemon8> Guest49845:  try http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/02/how-to-increase-volume-over-100-in-kde
[15:13] <hegemon8> should work still i guess
[15:13] <BluesKaj> hegemon8, there is a volume normaizer in vlc/tools/prefernces/audio
[15:14] <hegemon8> BluesKaj: right, but i try to think systemwise as You know, VLC is a player, and who knows what is his scenario ? :) Playing YT clips in vlc is a way, but...
[15:14] <hegemon8> Guest49845: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2136185  check post no 4 there as well
[15:15] <BluesKaj> Smurphy, congrats, you and wife look much younger than 50 :-)
[15:16] <hegemon8> BluesKaj: Watching Kubu podcast today? :)
[15:17] <BluesKaj> hegemon8, agreed abou the cli and updates etc, but as a reference for different packages and their uses muon has been a good info source over the yrs
[15:17] <Guest49845> hegemon8: cheers - don't think thats plasma5 compatible?
[15:18] <hegemon8> BluesKaj: yes, totally agre.
[15:18] <Smurphy> BluesKaj: Ah, that's because we behave a lot like teen-agers ;)
[15:18] <BluesKaj> hegemon8, I tried , but I'm not a dev and so far not my cuppa tea.
[15:20] <hegemon8> Guest49845: i'm pretty sure it should, as not all  kde4 stuff was ported to plasma 5 yet they're there, but its easier to remove widget then ither soft in my opinion - les hassle.
[15:20] <BluesKaj> Smurphy, wel, I hate to admit that i still play in a band at my age ;-)
[15:20] <BluesKaj> bbiab
[15:22] <hegemon8> BluesKaj: i'm not a dev myself ;( but updqates upgrades dist-upgrades autoclean autoremove and ping are always few arrows up away in my terminal, so, i lie to look to see if any "error" or so didn't pop in
[15:22] <dougiel> neither of these 03:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4352 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter (rev 03)
[15:22] <dougiel> 04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Qualcomm Atheros AR8151 v2.0 Gigabit Ethernet (rev c0) work on my fresh install of 15.10 suggestions welcome
[15:23] <hegemon8> BluesKaj: now You need to send us a link, i want to hear :) I play with guitar, but only to relax and piss off the neighbours, so i'd love to hear it
[15:24] <Smurphy> BluesKaj: Nice ;) Well, I don't really have time for these things... Work, then I have my hobbies etc. Had to make a choice.
[15:24] <Smurphy> Maybe I'll restart music later, when time permits it again :D
[15:30] <BluesKaj_> wife wants to watch the new Prime Minister swearing in cermony here in Canada. I normally use the TV as my monitor when we aren't watching tv, so I switched to the laptop to continue.
[15:31] <hegemon8> BluesKaj_:  You have cool wife, hard to say no :)
[15:32] <hegemon8> BluesKaj_: BTW any chance to check Your band somewere on the net?
[15:33] <BluesKaj_> yeah, she's always been cool, that's why I married her :-)
[15:33] <hegemon8> Lucky B! ;)
[15:34] <BluesKaj_> hegemon8, well, some of the guys are bit shy about recording, since we're basically a jam band.
[15:35] <hegemon8> fair enough BluesKaj_ - worth asking anyway :)
[15:36] <BluesKaj_> hegemon8, Np , my previous band had a wbsite with some tunes on it , but it got taken down after we broke up
[15:37] <hegemon8> ahh, pity, my friend's band had this same issue, and after they went their own way, all the vids got lost. He had 2 fav on pc, but rest... well
[15:45] <dougiel> any ideas why no networking works on the latest and greatest 15.10?
[15:46] <dougiel> ... just not sure where to look as I have the only hardware networking does not work on?
[15:46] <BluesKaj_> dougiel, sorry which broadcom again ?
[15:47] <dougiel> you get that info with lspci right?
[15:48] <BluesKaj_> yes
[15:48] <dougiel> BCM4352 AR8151 neither work - was in a bash for my raspberry
[15:49] <dougiel> lsmod
[15:49] <ejay> Hi. How can I reset dolphins thumbs? I mean those small pictures that previews gfx files in a folder.
[15:51] <dougiel> cfg80211              484040  1 wl
[15:56] <BluesKaj_> dougiel, install broadcom-sta-common
[16:09] <parveen> hello
[16:10] <parveen> i have installed kubuntu 15.10 on my laptop. but i can't find vlc medis player on its software center. can anyone help me on this
[16:16] <hegemon8> parveen: chceck if You have Canonical Partners sources checked in Your Sources list
[16:33] <dougiel> BCM4352 AR8151 neither work - on my 15.10 install suggestions welcome... after googling it looks like I am the only one on the planet having issues
[17:21] <dougiel> BluesKaj, you have to manually config network in 15.10 I don't recall doing anything intellectual on my 14.04 but am here now
[17:21] <dougiel> 15.10 is running and I am connected via wifi
[17:54] <Towkir> anyone can help me generating a fingerprint ??
[17:55] <Smurphy> Fingferprint of what ???
[17:56] <Towkir> was trying to generate a OpenGPG fingerprint
[17:56] <Smurphy> Fingerprint ? You have a private key yet ???
[17:57] <Towkir> which is needed for signing the ubuntu code of conduct
[17:57] <Towkir> not sure
[17:57] <Towkir> how to check pls ?
[17:57] <Smurphy> Lol. Ah. Use the kgpg
[17:57] <Towkir> how is that ?
[17:57] <Smurphy> it's an application. Install it, and use it.
[17:57] <Smurphy> Got a Ui.
[17:58] <Towkir> searching :)
[17:58] <Towkir> thanks,
[17:58] <Towkir> If I fail, I will ping you Smurphy :)
[17:58] <Smurphy> lol. Do that :)
[18:13] <lolmaus> I've installed fresh 15.10 and I'm missing Actions and Compress menus in Dolphin. How do I enable them?
[18:14] <Kwaadpepper> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dolphin/+bug/1499530
[18:15] <Kwaadpepper> sudo ln -s /usr/share/kde4/servicetypes/konqpopupmenuplugin.desktop /usr/share/kservicetypes5/
[18:21] <rom1504> Hi I have this bug where icons are small when starting a session in kubuntu, it goes back to normal after a few seconds but it's annoying http://download.rom1504.fr/stuff/bugkubuntu.png
[18:21] <rom1504> any way to fix that ?
[18:21] <rom1504> it's happening since 15.10
[18:25] <marco-parillo> rom1504: I am guessing it is related to the push for better support on high-resolution displays. Some of the posters here are experienced in device driver selection (my guess on the root cause) and you can blacklist certain drivers.
[18:33] <rom1504> hmm how would I blacklist drivers ?
[18:33] <rom1504> (I'm using nvidia-352)
[18:56] <denza242> rom1504: which drivers?
[18:57] <denza242> oh
[19:54] <Voyage> Some times my skype and other GUI gets messed up. I think xorg got messed up when i sent an 'intrupt' signal by accident. How can i fix it?
[19:54] <Voyage> Kubuntu LTS, dont know about chipset but its asus z97 k board http://pastie.org/10529683
[20:09] <frecel> I posted the link to Scarlett's patreon campaign on the Linux Action Show subreddit
[20:09] <frecel> https://www.reddit.com/r/LinuxActionShow/comments/3rja1j/kubuntukde_developer_needs_your_help/
[20:09] <frecel> We should get this campaign as much visibility as possible
[20:13] <dougl> 15.10 buggy or is it may hardware?
[20:13] <dougl> my
[20:14] <Smurphy> Did you upgrade or did you do a fresh install ?
[20:16] <genii> Could be either or both
[20:18] <Smurphy> I had to practically eliminate the plasma config from 15.04 to get it working right.
[20:23] <rom1504> Smurphy: ah you do you do that ? it might solve my pb
[20:25] <LeeJunFan> Is there anywhere to get updated firefox-kde? The plasmazilla ppa is 4 versions behind.
[20:27] <newb> hi all
[20:27] <newb> can someone tell me if kubuntu works on a non-pae cpu ?
[20:29] <genii> !docs > genii
[20:30] <lordievader> newb: No, IIRC since 12.04 Ubuntu's kernels require pae.
[20:33] <newb> lordievader: ok ok. is er een manier om dat te forceren ?
[20:34] <lordievader> newb: This is an English channel, join #ubuntu-nl if you want to continue in Dutch ;)
[20:34] <TJ-> newb: is the CPU definitely non-PAE - some CPUs just don't advertise it in their flags and you can "forcepae" on the kernel command-line
[20:34] <lordievader> newb: There is a check to see if the cpu supports pae upon install of new kernels.
[20:35] <denza242> LeeJunFan: hmm
[20:44] <newb> hmm how can I check?
[20:45] <newb> sys info says .......Processor	Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU         650  @ 3.20GHz, 3200 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s)
[20:45] <newb> cant seem to find anything if this suka got pae
[20:45] <laci> hy
[20:50] <lordievader> newb: i5 should support pae... What kind of problems are you getting?
[20:51] <newb> lordievader: it says pae feature not present on the cpu
[20:51] <newb> lordievader: ive checked the bios but couldnt find a thing regarding pae
[20:52] <lordievader> newb: That is very odd. Where did that sys info line come from?
[20:52] <txrx> lordievader: win7
[20:53] <lordievader> newb: This is a physical install, not a vm install or anything like that?
[20:54] <newb> lordievader: no its in vm orcale vitrual box
[20:55] <lordievader> newb: Ah, that explains a lot. Is vt-x and vt-d enabled?
[20:56] <newb> lordievader: hmm checking rite now
[20:57] <newb> lordievader: solved!!! you r the man thx..installing as we speak
[20:57] <lordievader> newb: Cool, good to hear.
[22:36] <robr> Hello
[22:36] <robr> I would like to know how to go about checking what is causing my HDD to fill up so fast
[22:43] <Fritigern> robr: First us filelight or K$DirStat to find out which failes/folders are the largest on your system.
[22:44] <Fritigern> Sorry, fast typing.... the second program is called K4Dirstat
[22:45]  * keithzg give three cheers for Filelight, one of the most useful GUI programs of all time
[22:50] <denza242> robr: Filelight is your best bet
[22:50]  * denza242 cheers with keithzg
[22:56] <denza242> what does this mean W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/vivid-updates/universe/binary-i386/Packages  Hash Sum mismatch
[22:56]  * denza242 scared
[22:57] <Fritigern> I prefer k4dirstat myself, because I don't care for that pie chart in filelight, and I also like having a tree menu that I can navigate besides the graphical depiction of the file/directory sizes.
[22:58] <denza242> what about fsview then
[22:58] <Fritigern> Hash sum mismatch most likely means that the transferred file got corrupt. Either on the server, during transfer, or on your own PC.
[22:59] <Fritigern> I haven;t used fsview, I will see iif i can install it
[22:59] <Fritigern> Doesn't seem to be in the (wily) repos.
[22:59] <genii> !info fsview
[23:00] <genii> !info fsview vivid
[23:00] <genii> Hm
[23:01] <Fritigern> fsview appears to have last been part of precise
[23:02] <denza242> weird
[23:02] <denza242> i have fsview
[23:02] <Fritigern> Prolly from some PPA, or perhaps you decline the removal of packages after an upgrade?
[23:02] <Fritigern> (release upgrade, that is)
[23:04] <denza242> actually, i think it's part of another package
[23:04] <denza242> since I have /usr/bin/fsview
[23:04] <denza242> it's in konq-plugins
[23:04] <clivejo> installed by konq-plugins
[23:04] <clivejo> http://packages.ubuntu.com/wily/amd64/konq-plugins/filelist
[23:04] <denza242> ^
[23:04] <Fritigern> Wait, konq is still not dead? In spite of dolphin and rekonq?
[23:05] <bprompt_> correct
[23:08] <bprompt_> denza242:    but I believe you can use any of the konqueror plugins in rekonq anyway
[23:21] <Fritigern> That reminds me, before Wily, I had an action menu in dolphin, but that's gone now. It used to have actions like opening a terminal at that folder, rename with krename, extract/compress, and more. All that is gone now, but is there a way I can re-add that?
[23:21]  * Fritigern is kinda set in his ways
[23:24] <Supermanintights> has anyone had performance issues in 15.10?  I'm getting regular crashes (krunner being the biggest culprit), and more than 3-4 tabs and firefox grinds to a near standstill, or at least far laggy beyond acceptable use.  Occasional typing lag as well in different apps
[23:25] <keithzg> Supermanintights: first question, which graphics drivers are you running?
[23:58] <keithzg> What's the preferred way of installing Telegram on Kubuntu? I see there are PPAs out there, but those don't seem to be official. On the other hand, the official way Telegram documents installing is to use their own installer. This all then seems complicated by how it apparently upgrades itself via an Updater app, which would seem to complicate the packaging of it . . .


[00:37] <cprofitt> sorry I am late to the meeting...
[00:37] <cprofitt> oh... wait.. it is in 3o minutes
[00:37] <cprofitt> phew!
[00:38] <cprofitt> man... my daughter read the clock wrong... she told me 8:30
[00:42] <cprofitt> pleia2, there is nothing on the agenda for tonight...
[01:00] <cprofitt> pleia2, doctormo
[01:00] <doctormo> cprofitt: hello
[01:00] <cprofitt> #ubuntu-meeting
[01:02] <cprofitt> pleia2, doctormo greg-g popey Vantrax Vantrax|Work -meeting in #ubuntu-meeting
[01:02] <doctormo> cprofitt: right now?
[01:03] <cprofitt> crap...  wrong day...
[01:03] <doctormo> It is Monday
[01:03] <cprofitt> I thought it was today -- since it said Monday on our meeting announcement
[01:03] <doctormo> today, and there normally is a meeting
[01:03] <cprofitt> but the date says the 7th
[01:03] <cprofitt> I dunno...
[01:03] <cprofitt> thought it was today
[01:03] <doctormo> Then it's today, what time was it?
[01:03] <cprofitt> right now
[01:04] <doctormo> Ah, lucky for me then eh
[01:04] <doctormo> pleia2 was managing the schedual though
[01:09] <greg-g> cprofitt: I'm in there, idling, highlight me if you need me
[01:10] <cprofitt> k
[01:20] <cprofitt> Vantrax|Work, doctormo do we need to have this discussion in #ubuntu-meeting or should we move it in here...
[01:20] <cprofitt> I have no opinion on the matter...
[01:20] <cprofitt> but thought I should ask
[01:21] <pleia2> the meeting is tomorrow...
[01:21] <doctormo> pleia2: that explains it
[01:21] <doctormo> Why Tuesday btw?
[01:22] <pleia2> doctormo: this is too short notice + we need to mix up days a bit
[01:22] <doctormo> aye
[01:22] <cprofitt> pleia2, the topic has both days... Monday and 7th
[01:22] <cprofitt> so I was confused
[01:22] <pleia2> anyway, I'm not available right now
[01:22] <doctormo> pleia2: No problem, tomorrow it is
[01:23] <cprofitt> we have no topics...
[01:23] <cprofitt> should we just schedule for next week?
[01:23] <cprofitt> that way everyone has more time
[01:23] <cprofitt> Next Meeting: Monday July 7th @ 8pm EDT
[01:23] <cprofitt> that made it confusing...
[01:24] <pleia2> sorry, it was correct on the calendar, wiki and the dates were right
[01:24] <pleia2> just missed that part of the topic
[01:24] <cprofitt> no problem...
[01:24] <pleia2> 12:26:59 < cprofitt> pleia2, - next meeting?
[01:24] <pleia2> 12:28:06 < pleia2> cprofitt: hm, tomorrow evening at 8 EDT?
[01:24] <cprofitt> despite that we have no agenda for tomorrow
[01:24] <pleia2> so I thought we were on the same page :)
[01:25] <cprofitt> I thought so as well... until I read the topic
[01:25] <pleia2> yeah, I figured we would fill in the Agenda like last time
[01:25] <cprofitt> I agree about things being short notice...
[01:25] <cprofitt> and can meet this week or next week... its all sixes for me
[01:26] <pleia2> if no one has anything to talk about we don't have to have one, but our agenda wasn't filled in until last minute last meeting either
[01:26] <pleia2> so I wasn't sure if people were just holding up again
[01:27] <cprofitt> well... we can 'call' it tomorrow if there are no topics... so no big deal
[01:27] <pleia2> k
[01:29] <doctormo> pleia2, cprofitt: I think we're reaching the point where we don't need as much organising, but we do need more "getting on with it" working
[01:29] <doctormo> Maybe we're at a bottlenec
[01:29] <pleia2> doctormo: me too, but I was told we "have to wait on licensing"
[01:29] <cprofitt> doctormo, we still need to solve the licensing
[01:29] <cprofitt> and the server hosting
[01:30] <cprofitt> until those two are nailed down I do not think we can 'move' forward
[01:30] <cprofitt> as painful as that fact is...
[01:30] <cprofitt> it would just not make sense to move forward without that resolved
[01:30] <pleia2> cprofitt: do you know where mootbot minutes are posted?
[01:30] <cprofitt> pleia2, not off the top of my head
[01:31] <cprofitt> to be honest each time I look for them I never find them despite going to where it tells me
[01:31] <pleia2> me too
[01:32] <pleia2> I thought there was a secret I was missing :)
[01:32] <cprofitt> I am a month out from a rather major local event too... so I am going to be a bit distracted with that
[01:32] <cprofitt> trying to get demo units in from System76 and arrange a college professor to come and speak
[01:33] <cprofitt> I am pissed off that my local school does not have a computer programming course anymore...
[01:33] <cprofitt> and that is next on my agenda...
[01:33] <cprofitt> sorry for rambling on about that...
[01:34] <pleia2> cool about the demo (not cool about lack of programming course, what's up with that?)
[01:34] <cprofitt> I just think it is a sad state of affairs that the people that made fun of us "geeks" while we were in schools give lip service to saying that computer are important in education, but because they have no clue how to actually use them they shy away from doing anything much beyond replacing the typewriter with them
[01:34] <cprofitt> well the college board (AP) only accepts java
[01:35] <cprofitt> so the school taught only java -- bad intro to comp sci language in my opinion
[01:35] <Vantrax|Work> for the theme atm im focusing on getting it looking right, then the links right, then the menus showing right
[01:35] <pleia2> wow
[01:35] <cprofitt> so they killed the course...
[01:35] <cprofitt> that and the teachers teaching it really could only do what was in the book...
[01:35] <cprofitt> so the course was boring as heck for the kids who really wanted to program
[01:36] <pleia2> yeesh
[01:37] <cprofitt> I work there... so I can not rock the boat too badly
[01:37]  * pleia2 nods
[01:37] <doctormo> cprofitt: I've been at jobs where my main function of boat rocker, you kind of have to sometimes.
[01:38] <cprofitt> doctormo, in a school district where I have no 'union' protection and the teachers do...
[01:38] <cprofitt> I am just a glorified digital janitor to them
[01:39] <pleia2> hehe "digital janitor"
[01:40] <cprofitt> I actually had a teacher assume I had no bachelors degree
[01:40] <cprofitt> funny thing was that she went to the same school I did for her undergrad
[01:41] <Vantrax|Work> weeee
[01:41] <Vantrax|Work> http://learn.bodhizazen.net/moodle/
[01:41] <Vantrax|Work> looks right now somehow
[01:41] <Vantrax|Work> not sure, but it lays things out correctly
[01:41] <Vantrax|Work> take a peak and tell me if im crazy
[01:42] <pleia2> neat
[01:43] <Vantrax|Work> thats more what im after
[01:43] <Vantrax|Work> we like?
[01:44] <pleia2> basic layout looks good
[01:46] <Vantrax|Work> ignore all the links and menu options
[01:46] <Vantrax|Work> all of that will go
[01:46] <Vantrax|Work> unless we want our own forums, youtube channel, photo gallery etc
[01:47] <doctormo> nice :-)
[01:47] <doctormo> Vantrax|Work: It's possible, although we'd go with soe other video channel like blip.tv
[01:47]  * Vantrax|Work is just happy i can finally show something to prove im not just lazy
[01:47] <Vantrax|Work> doctormo: sure:P more the point i guess
[02:29] <doctormo> Vantrax|Work: What license is moodle?
[02:29] <doctormo> and/or this theme we're using as a basis
[02:30] <Vantrax|Work> cc-by-sa or gpl
[02:30] <doctormo> GPLv2?
[02:30] <Vantrax|Work> all the themes at www.moodle.com are required to have a free liencence
[02:30] <Vantrax|Work> there was no licence information included with the theme
[02:30] <Vantrax|Work> so no idea
[02:46] <doctormo> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-learning-moodle
[02:49] <doctormo> Vantrax|Work: OK your the driver *whip*tish*
[02:50] <doctormo> Vantrax|Work: And the board is the maintainer
[02:58] <Vantrax|Work> so what do i do now?
[02:59] <Vantrax|Work> register a branch?
[03:04] <doctormo> Vantrax|Work: No, I'll upload a branch of what you have
[03:04] <doctormo> And then show you how to handle it
[03:04] <Vantrax|Work> okies
[03:04] <Vantrax|Work> you have access to the files on ubuntu one right?
[03:06] <doctormo> I've just been dealing with some python-crontab work, sorry for the delay
[03:06] <Vantrax|Work> oh hold on
[03:06] <Vantrax|Work> its updating now
[03:06] <Vantrax|Work> wasnt synced
[03:06] <Vantrax|Work> ive made a couple of changes
[03:09] <doctormo> You can commit those changes in as practice, it'll be fun :-)
[03:10] <Vantrax|Work> err
[03:10] <doctormo> lp:~ubuntu-learning-board/ubuntu-learning-moodle/trunk
[03:10] <Vantrax|Work> the changest are almost the whole thing:P
[03:12] <doctormo> Okay, then we'll learn how to deal with "almost entire thing" changes :-D
[03:13] <doctormo> Vantrax|Work: get your command terminal into a useful projects directory and use `bzr pull lp:~ubuntu-learning-board/ubuntu-learning-moodle/trunk` to grab the version there
[03:15] <Vantrax|Work> just installing bzr
[03:18] <Vantrax|Work> bzr pull lp:~ubuntu-learning-board/ubuntu-learning-moodle/trunk
[03:18] <Vantrax|Work> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "/home/s2092272/Projects/learn_ubuntu/".
[03:19] <Vantrax|Work> need to head out for a few min
[03:19] <doctormo> oh,
[03:20] <doctormo> bzr checkout lp:~ubuntu-learning-board/ubuntu-learning-moodle/trunk
[03:20] <doctormo> pull is for when you already have it checked out, sorry
[03:32] <Vantrax|Work> still says the same after doing the checkout first
[04:13] <doctormo> checkout gets you the files
[04:14] <doctormo> then you cd into the directory Vantrax|Work
[04:14] <Vantrax|Work> ooohh
[04:16] <Vantrax|Work> lol that trunk is completely the wrong folder:P
[14:45] <Cajunmg> Can you run a windows based progam on ubuntu?
[14:48] <Cajunmg> anybody?
[23:43] <damien_> Any info on Ubuntu 199 training of any kind
[23:51] <pleia2> damien_: #ubuntu-training is the channel for canonical training like the 199 course
[23:51] <pleia2> we're community stuff, no certs
[23:51] <damien_> oh
[23:51] <damien_> thanks


 https://download.qt.io/archive/qt/5.15/5.15.7/
 I see, but don't expect it quickly, I am overloaded again.


[11:32] <apachelogger> ScottK: no route to hsot 101
[11:33] <apachelogger> uhm, me confused
[11:33] <apachelogger> 110 is not armhf?
[11:35] <apachelogger> ah, silly me that's what your mail says ^^
[11:36] <apachelogger> but 101 would be kinda useful  :S
[11:37] <apachelogger> now there is a different host on 110 :)
[12:14] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:41] <JontheEchidna> !find libpq-fe.h
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> ah, I want libpq-dev
[15:49] <BluesKaj> Kwin is crashing here , after trying to set up kdm ..can't use lightdm because it's totally broken here , on 12.10
[16:17] <JontheEchidna> neat, debian has some qt5 packaging.should have checked with them first ;-)
[20:07] <JontheEchidna> plugging in/out my headphones seems to kill wifi until I reboot :s
[22:43] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: err huh?
[22:44] <JontheEchidna> when I plug my headphones back in, I lose connection to my router and NM can't see any other routers until I reboot
[22:44] <JontheEchidna> pretty strange, must be a power issue
[22:45] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: analogue plug or USB?
[22:45] <JontheEchidna> analogue
[22:46] <Riddell> hmm that suggests hardware issue no?
[22:46] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[22:46] <JontheEchidna> well, I did get this laptop back in '09, so if it gets too unbearable, I suppose I could get an upgrade
[22:48] <Riddell> I hear blue systems are hiring, you could get them to hire you and buy one
[22:50] <JontheEchidna> ;-)
[23:24] <claydoh> kfn poshttp://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?59611-Why-have-you-stuck-with-Kubuntu&p=307702&viewfull=1#post307702t of the day
[23:24] <claydoh> erp http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?59611-Why-have-you-stuck-with-Kubuntu&p=307702&viewfull=1#post307702 kfn forum post of the day
[23:25] <claydoh> 10 year old kb and trackpad showing their age