[00:25] <Kangarooo> will 10.10 have hibernate option?
[00:51] <pahindr> hi guys
[00:52] <pahindr> who wanna talks? about anything....
[00:52] <pahindr> it doesn.t matter about what
[00:52] <pleia2> pahindr: this is a support channel, you'll want to take "talk about anything" to #xubuntu-offtopic or elsewhere
[02:15] <cjae> any diff between ubuntu restrcited and xubuntu restricted?
[02:16] <charlie-tca> yes
[02:16] <cjae> ok
[02:16] <cjae> any recommends for lubuntu? restricted that is
[02:20] <charlie-tca> Since Ubuntu uses many different applications than Xubuntu, it also has more restricted formats to install
[02:22] <charlie-tca> I don't know what lubuntu uses
[02:23] <cjae> probably a good idea to use the xubuntu ones
[04:37] <khider> hello all, I installed xubuntu on mylaptop and lspci will   not bring up the wifi card
[04:38] <khider> Any ideas?
[04:39] <khider> Initially when I installed, it saw the wifi card, but subsequent boots (and installs) yielded nothing
[04:43] <khider> dead channel
[06:05] <SirTopHat_> I see the installer's partitioner can't recognize an NTFS partition's free space
[06:05] <SirTopHat_> =_=
[08:21] <Bashhead> im back
[08:34] <nikolam> Hm, it is interesting that when I put the sound volume down I can still hear sound. So only way to put the sound down is to hit mute.
[08:35] <nikolam> that is when I use eather xtce4-mixer or mixer plugin in xfce panel
[08:36] <nikolam> When i start alsamixergui it does bring the volume down to the mute when slider is all down
[08:38] <nikolam> audio device is integrated in Amd 690G chipset, SB600 southbridge, 00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
[08:38] <Besogon> nikolam, you are using not those that your mixer is turned on
[08:38] <nikolam> Besogon, please restate, I did not understand you
[08:40] <Besogon> open mixer sound plagin (with right click on it) and chose correct correct sound card
[08:40] <nikolam> I think I installed Alsa since pulseaudio I think was not working with applications
[08:41] <nikolam> Besogon, I have HDA ATI SB (Alsa mixer) selected
[08:42] <Besogon> Try other then. until it will works. I can't say much
[08:42] <nikolam> aha maybe actually pulseaudio is still working.
[08:42] <nikolam> alsamixergui displays pulse slider for some reason
[08:44] <nikolam> I think I see that problem is that pulseaudio mixer is still the main mixer.
[08:45] <Besogon> I don't undestand you why you think that Pulseaudio bad feature? (wine works well and it uses alsa when pulseaudio is working) Pulseaudio wrapp the alsa (because Alsa now can work as part of pulseaudio)
[08:46] <nikolam> well i had trouble on every install of xubuntu since 7.04 with pulseaudio.
[08:46] <nikolam> And I always needed to uninstall it to make apps work and I did it also this time
[08:47] <Besogon> strange. I hadn't. May be because I installed ubuntu and then installed xfce-desktop package
[08:48] <nikolam> I guess noone actually tested that xfce mixer can not put down the volume.
[08:49] <nikolam> ok, i see now in synaptic, i have pulseaudio installed actually..
[08:52] <Besogon> nikolam, look how it works for me
[08:53] <Besogon> works?
[10:33] <nicofs> I am running an application that is 4:3 on a 16:9 display - an it is streched to fit. how can i change that to a "boxed" view maintaining the aspect ratio?
[10:47] <handjob> Hi all. I need some help. I have been playing around with various wm's and now I can't login to xfce session. Every other seems ok, except the most important. How to trace where is the error?
[10:49] <handjob> Or meybe it's not related to my experiments with other managers? Yesterday everything was fine, today I wake up to find out that gdm somewhat 'restets' itself upon attempt to login into xfce session.
[10:51] <handjob> ls
[10:51] <handjob> ups : )
[11:45] <padrecarlo> how can i add the thunderbird icon to the task line?
[11:45] <padrecarlo> right click + new element, but i do not find thunderbird in the list
[11:47] <well_laid_lawn> in the list there should be one called   launcher   yes?
[11:49] <padrecarlo> ok, i found it, thank you
[11:49] <well_laid_lawn> np :]
[11:53] <padrecarlo> how can i make xubuntu a little bit smaller, i have only 4 gb space on my eeepc
[11:53] <padrecarlo> what can i uninstall and how?
[11:56] <nicofs> padrecario: try the software center - it lists installed applications. you can uninstall those you don't need...
[11:56] <well_laid_lawn> doing   sudo apt-get clean   can help
[12:00] <padrecarlo> well_laid_lawn:and wich apps will it clean?
[12:00] <well_laid_lawn> padrecarlo: it removes the downloaded packages from /var/cache/apt/archives
[12:00] <padrecarlo> nice
[12:01] <well_laid_lawn> if you install alot they can add up
[12:01] <padrecarlo> it gaves me 210 MB back, thank you
[12:02] <well_laid_lawn> :]
[12:02] <nicofs> I am running an application that is 4:3 on a 16:9 display - an it is streched to fit. how can i change that to a "boxed" view maintaining the aspect ratio?
[12:03] <well_laid_lawn> nicofs: depends on the app...
[12:19] <nicofs> Wine emulation of Win95 game
[12:22] <nicofs> well_laid_lawn: i think it's a general X11 config thing... to tell the graphics card how to handle non-native resolutions...
[12:29] <padrecarlo> well_laid_lawn: thanks for assist, bye
[13:57] <slow-motion> hi
[13:57] <bazhang> !hi
[14:54] <chaturanga> I have a question concerning xubunto 8.04 - just installed it and usb ports won't work (nothing happens when you plug in usb mouse, or flashdrives, even though they are receiving power from the computer)
[14:55] <Sysi> you're not talking about 10.04?
[14:56] <charlie-tca> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount/USB
[14:58]  * likemindead urges chaturanga to use 10.04 !
[14:58] <charlie-tca> However, 8.04 still has a year of desktop support and is fine to use, if desired.
[14:59] <chaturanga> yeah, it wasn't intentional to use an older version, just had it readily available on a disc when windows crashed and needed to replace it
[14:59] <charlie-tca> Take a look at the link I gave above. It should help with the usb ports
[15:00] <chaturanga> I'm looking at the usb mount link presently
[15:09] <chaturanga> okay, secondary problem here; several of the suggestions in the forum link suggest installing various programs; how do I get them onto the machine if I can't get the usb ports to work (no flashdrives)? the wireless doesn't work either, which is why I need to be able to connect a usb flashdrive in order to install a driver for my wireless card
[15:10] <chaturanga> one of the first steps in the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount/USB  forum is to install gconf-editor, but I get an error that says "couldn't find package gconf-editor"
[15:11] <charlie-tca> That version may need a wired connection to download the updates and driver you need for wireless
[15:11] <charlie-tca> !wireless
[16:03] <stefanos> hello to all
[16:03] <bazhang> !themes
[16:03] <stefanos> i need some help
[16:03] <bazhang> stefanos, see above
[16:03] <stefanos> plzzzzzz
[16:04] <stefanos> how to install a theme?
[16:04] <stefanos> i am new to this
[16:04] <bazhang> stefanos, I just told you
[16:04] <stefanos> ok ty :)
[16:04] <stefanos> !changethemes
[16:04] <Sysi> crossposting?
[16:05] <bazhang> he was told to come here
[16:05] <Sysi> right
[16:10] <stefanos> !changetheme
[16:12] <Sysi> you can use query too
[16:12] <stefanos> omg can u help me?
[16:12] <Sysi> !botabuse
[16:13] <Sysi> if you ment that
[16:13] <bazhang> !msgthebot
[16:13] <stefanos> i have downloaded the theme i want but i can't find a way to select it!!!!
[16:13] <stefanos> plz help...
[16:13] <Sysi> is it .tar.something?
[16:13] <bazhang> stefanos, did you read the links?
[16:13] <stefanos> yes
[16:14] <Sysi> right click → extract here
[16:14] <stefanos> done that but how i select it?
[16:14] <stefanos> soz for my english
[16:14] <stefanos> :?
[16:14] <stefanos> :/
[16:14] <Sysi> if it's in that folder, appearance settings
[16:16] <donKi> !help
[16:16] <donKi> !faq
[16:19] <stefanos> the only themes that i can switch to are only these that are in the root directory
[16:19] <stefanos> but i cant copy paste my theme there
[16:20] <Sysi> they work in home directory too
[16:20] <stefanos> omg this is so hard
[16:25] <stefanos> cand do it
[16:27] <charlie-tca> stefanos: what directory did you add the themes to, exactly?
[16:28] <stefanos> to / stefanos / .themes
[16:29] <charlie-tca> You should be using /home/stefanos/.themes
[16:29] <stefanos> it was a hidden file
[16:30] <stefanos> done
[16:30] <stefanos> now?
[16:30] <charlie-tca> yup
[16:31] <charlie-tca> You may have to log out and log in again to see them, I don't know
[16:31] <stefanos> ok ty anyway :)
[17:45] <heoa> I cannot find fswebcam from apt-get, is "apt-get update" sufficient for getting Ubuntu's apt-get list?
[17:46] <charlie-tca> yes, it is
[17:46] <heoa> so then you can find fswebcam?
[17:46] <heoa> after the command, soon testing as getting my comp back
[17:46] <Sysi> aptitude search fswebcam
[17:47] <charlie-tca> Make sure you have universe repository enabled
[17:47] <heoa> charlie-tca: can you give a command for it?
[17:48] <charlie-tca> for enabling the repository?
[17:48] <Sysi> it's enabled by default?
[17:48] <heoa> charlie-tca: yes
[17:48] <charlie-tca> version of xubuntu?
[17:48] <heoa> charlie-tca: the newest
[17:49] <charlie-tca> Applications -> System -> Software Sources -> Ubuntu software tab, check "Community-maintained Open Source software (universe)
[17:53] <heoa> charlie-tca: have to do it manually as my pentium2 can hardly run x, some lines to /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:55] <charlie-tca> use mousepad, uncomment the group that ends in  " lucid universe"
[18:21] <zaib> hi i am zaib , i cant see my menu bars plz someone help
[18:21] <charlie-tca> !panels | zaib
[18:22] <Besogon> hey!
[18:22] <charlie-tca> hey?
[18:24] <zaib> i run it but it sayes Failed to execute child process "xfce-panel" (No such file or directory)
[18:24] <charlie-tca> are you running xfce-panel or xfce4-panel ?
[18:24] <zaib> sorry
[18:25] <charlie-tca> no problem
[18:27] <zaib> thank you , the panels  are back, it was my 1st day with linux
[18:28] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[18:28] <zaib> and will be a rememberable day
[18:29] <zaib> thanks :)
[18:29] <Besogon> who use xchat with turned on NAT with a router?
[18:30] <Sysi> i have used, it just worked
[19:06] <emma> how can i lock the screen in xubuntu so that no one can spy on me while Im away?
[19:07] <Sysi> ctrl alt del by default
[19:07] <emma> that will ask for a password then to unlock it?
[19:07] <Sysi> yes
[19:07] <emma> ctrol alt delete will kill X wont it?
[19:08] <charlie-tca> not in 10.04
[19:08] <Sysi> no, that used to be ctrl alt backspace
[19:08] <charlie-tca> that's right
[19:08] <Sysi> now it's something random
[19:08] <Sysi> if yoy don't have xscreensaver it may reboot
[19:52] <kangarooo> wow C+A+del is finally cool idea and it would be better if it would on resuming not open xscreensaver unlock but access to log in also for somebody else or guest also
[19:53] <Sysi> xscreensaver offers that iirc
[19:55] <kangarooo> yes but better without xscreensaver. just gdm login. couse in xscreensaver unlock clicking new user i have gdm login and loging myself back shows again xscreensaver login
[21:16] <slow-motion> hi
[21:45] <Bashhead> hello
[22:08] <kangarooo> charlie-tca: btw if interested heres that bug i was tryng to find. Bug 452208 and it looks like finally its fixed so maybe new iso or something 10.04 LTS .. ppl will be dl it still get crash couse its in 29 aprils latest 10.04 iso
[22:09] <kangarooo> its has 20-30 dubs
[22:15] <Bashhead> hey
[22:20] <kangarooo> hey hey Bashhead
[22:20] <Bashhead> im having troubles with conky
[22:38] <kangarooo> Bashhead: well this is for xubuntu channel so it may only be coincidence that somebody also has it. more help will be not even in #ubuntu but in google about conky and also in #conky /join #conky
[22:39] <Bashhead> alright
[22:39] <kangarooo> i for example havent ever modified conky but ive tryd it so i cant help about it more then what i read in google results
[23:06] <SirTopHat_> I just installed Xubuntu over XP on this old PC
[23:07] <SirTopHat_> The GUI is being much slower than it was in XP
[23:08] <SirTopHat_> I can't see any settings that would change the res either
[23:09] <charlie-tca> Settings -> settings manager -> display
[23:10] <SirTopHat_> I don't know how I missed that
[23:10] <SirTopHat_> =_=
[23:10] <charlie-tca> Maybe we hide it ? ;-)
[23:10] <SirTopHat_> I must need to update the graphics drivers or something
[23:10] <SirTopHat_> video card drivers, even
[23:11] <Sysi> what card do you have?
[23:11] <SirTopHat_> I don't know, actually
[23:12] <SirTopHat_> I'll have to find out
[23:12] <Sysi> lspci | grep VGA
[23:16] <SirTopHat_> I never thought I would see a shell lag
[23:56] <SirTopHat_> /lib/modules/2.6.32-21-generic/build: no such file or directory.
[23:56] <SirTopHat_> I'm trying to install drivers for my intel video card
[23:57] <SirTopHat_> could not find a kernel config file. this was in the log also
[23:57] <SirTopHat_> dri.log
[23:57] <Sysi> you want to enable dri-support?
[23:57] <SirTopHat_> whatever I need to do to install these
[23:58] <SirTopHat_> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CBoQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdownloadcenter.intel.com%2FDetail_Desc.aspx%3FProductID%3D1044%26DwnldID%3D8203%26lang%3Deng&ei=m1NTTNWvJcSAlAfD6Zhu&usg=AFQjCNHnDWMXGA5rG5wRzHLVpvz4tFYL0g&sig2=l0QxA805Yne4_yom2ZrN2Q this is the driver I'm trying to install


[02:41] <nixternal> thanks mdke, i just got one year of hosting (nixternal.com) for $22! :)
[02:53] <mpt> gah
[02:53] <mpt> How do I take a screenshot of a menu?
[02:54] <mpt> ah, gnome-panel-screenshot --delay=whatever
[02:55] <mpt> it would be nice if I could do that from the GUI
[02:55] <tonyyarusso> I don't know of a way to do that, but you can always take a fullscreen and crop if necessary.
[02:56] <tonyyarusso> byzanz can also do portions of the screen if you want an animated screenshot
[02:56] <mpt> Yeah, I meant, "how do I take a screenshot at all while a menu is open, given that PgUp is ignored and I can't get to the screenshot menu item without closing the menu" :-)
[02:56] <mpt> PgUp -> PrtSc
[02:56] <Burgundavia> gimp can do it
[02:56] <nixternal> i use ksnapshot and it does it...
[02:57] <nixternal> you can use the import from imagemagick as well
[02:57] <tonyyarusso> gimp is nice; you can do it from console as well though, with a number of tools
[02:58] <mpt> oh, now that's just broken
[02:58] <nixternal> sleep 5 && import -depth 8 -dither <filename.png>
[02:58] <mpt> Gimp's screenshot tool is better than Gnome's? :-(
[02:59] <Burgundavia> gnomes is very basic
[03:01] <nixternal> kdes is pretty good actually...i have never used the gimp one either
[03:33] <nixternal> mpt: that must be a gtk+konqi problem. i attached a screenshot of what it looks like in kde
[07:58] <La_PaRCa> Hey guys. Is there a particular tag to add little flags next to links in the wiki? For example if I wanted to link to something in a different language?
[08:00] <Burgundavia> La_PaRCa: sorry, don;t know the answer here either :)
[08:00] <Burgundavia> hey froud
[08:00] <froud> Hey Burgundavia
[08:00] <froud> Seasons greetings
[08:00] <La_PaRCa> hahaha, I'll just get some from rosetta or something
[08:04] <La_PaRCa> wow, the little flag in rosetta is the same for all languages O_o
[08:47] <mdke> nixternal: oh, awesome.
[08:49] <mdke> La_PaRCa: there is a way to add a flag
[08:49] <mdke> La_PaRCa: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnSmileys
[08:57] <mdke> nixternal: you used my referral code?
[08:57] <nixternal> yes
[08:57] <nixternal> thanks for posting that
[08:57] <nixternal> $22 for an entire year
[08:58] <nixternal> can't beat that
[08:58] <mdke> no, you're right :)
[09:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76254 in ubuntu-doc "Point out that WLAN with WEP only" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76254
[09:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76257 in ubuntu-doc "file system compatibility" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76257
[10:13] <mpt> willvdl, pong
[10:14] <mpt> cancel that, wrong channel
[10:14] <willvdl> mpt, hey. just remembered -->#c


[00:29] <jcastro> jono: yep
[00:44] <jono> jcastro, hey
[00:45] <jono> have you published the first bitesize bugs blog yet?
[00:47] <jcastro> no
[00:47] <jcastro> the list only has 4 bugs right now
[00:47] <jono> jcastro, that's fine
[00:47] <jono> I think you should use that as an opportunity
[00:47] <jcastro> yep, dbarth and I plan to fix the instructions tomorrow
[00:48] <jono> list those four bugs and say there must be more bugs and to encourage people to (a) test and (b) fix
[00:48] <jono> ok so you will blog it tomorrow?
[00:48] <jcastro> I can, sure
[00:48] <jono> thanks jcastro
[00:48] <jono> this is going to be awesome :-)
[00:48] <jono> A1 feels great too
[00:48] <jono> seems the compiz bugs are largely gone
[00:49] <jcastro> hey try this
[00:49] <jcastro> see if you can alt-drag a window past the top of the screen
[00:51] <jcastro> jono: also sam sent me a list of compiz low hanging fruit as well
[00:51] <jcastro> I figured it would be a good "if you run out of these here's another place to help"
[00:54] <jono> jcastro, perfect
[00:54] <jono> although I am keen for the real focus to be on unity
[00:54] <jcastro> nod
[00:57] <jcastro> jono: menu scrubbing is still kind of flaky, but neil mentioned in the bug that he knows how to fix it and it will be in the next release
[00:57] <jono> sweet
[00:57] <jcastro> well, next week's release
[00:58] <jono> yeah, a pretty good start with A1
[00:58] <jcastro> there's one tomorrow
[00:58] <jono> going to be a rocking release
[00:58] <jcastro> yeah
[00:58] <jono> the real work for you begins tomorrow, my friend :-)
[00:59] <jono> get the world passionate about testing and fixing Unity :-)
[00:59] <jcastro> http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/qapkgstatus/unity
[00:59] <jcastro> no huge spike quite yet!
[00:59] <jcastro> I suspect this weekend will be when they hit
[00:59] <jcastro> (the incoming bugs I mean)
[01:02] <jono> totally
[01:04] <jcastro> jono: oh hey, I need a recommendation for a piece of text.
[01:04] <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/673257
[01:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 673257 in unity (Ubuntu) "Please consider renaming the Unity desktop to avoid naming conflict with Unity Linux (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Low,Triaged]
[01:04] <jcastro> where do you recommend I put this?
[01:06] <jono> put what?
[01:06] <jono> oh I see
[01:06] <jono> a clarification
[01:06] <jcastro> right
[01:06] <jcastro> something like "for unity linux the distro go here, blah blah"
[01:07] <jono> jcastro, stick it in the footer
[01:11] <jcastro> This site is about the Unity the desktop shell and is not related to Unity Linux.
[01:11] <jcastro> how's that?
[01:24] <jono> jcastro, cool
[01:24] <jono> we also not Unity the 3D engine
[01:24] <jono> :-)
[01:30] <jcastro> oh, good point
[08:06] <dpm> good morning all!
[08:12]  * jussi yawns and waves to dpm
[08:12] <jussi> TGIF
[08:12] <dpm> hey jussi :)
[08:14] <kim0> morning everyone o/
[08:14]  * jussi hides from kim0
[08:15] <kim0> hehe
[08:16] <dpm> morning kim0!
[08:16] <kim0> dpm: morning man .. How was your teley yesterday :)
[08:17] <dpm> kim0, great, it was good fun :). Happy to see lots of participation, and the feedback was good
[08:25] <dholbach> good morning!
[08:27] <kim0> dholbach: hey there .. How's the snow going :)
[08:27] <dholbach> hey kim0
[08:27] <dholbach> kim0, it's still there, but it stopped snowing yesterday evening
[08:27] <kim0> cool
[08:28] <dholbach> and it's still cold, even with the deicing spray I couldn't get my bicycle lock opened
[08:28] <dholbach> so I had to walk again
[08:28] <kim0> oh!
[08:34] <dpm> dholbach, morning!, so no ice skating to work either?
[08:36] <dholbach> dpm, I guess I'll see how thick the ice is Monday next week - I'll give it another weekend ;-)
[08:36] <dholbach> dpm, I didn't see the rest of your show - how did it go? seemed like you had a bunch of people there
[08:37] <dpm> dholbach, it went very well, I was really pleased to see lots of participation. I was telling kim0 earlier, it was good fun!
[08:38] <dholbach> excellent :)
[08:42] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:43] <dholbach> hola czajkowski
[08:43] <czajkowski> whoo tis Friday :)
[09:03] <dpm> hey czajkowski
[09:06] <czajkowski> dpm: ello there
[09:09] <dholbach> kim0, do you have an idea what's going wrong if "channel 0: open confirm rwindow 0 rmax 32768" is the last thing I get when issuing scp on a machine? (it just sits there for ages doing nothing)
[09:09] <kim0> hmm
[09:10] <kim0> I think rwin 0 means the advertised tcp receive window from the server is 0 which means the machine is too busy to process any further packets ... so it tells clients to stop sending any data
[09:10] <kim0> dholbach: can you check if the server is healthy
[09:10] <dholbach> really really weird
[09:11] <dholbach> kim0, yes, it's the second machine I'm sitting in front :)
[09:11] <kim0> dholbach: any logs on server side
[09:12] <kim0> dholbach: does telnet server 22 work
[09:12] <dholbach> ...session opened for user daniel by (uid=0)
[09:13] <dholbach> telnet seems to work: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.6p1 Debian-2ubuntu1
[09:15] <kim0> dholbach: can u ssh into some other box .. chinstrap maybe
[09:15] <dholbach> yes
[09:16] <dholbach> that works fine
[09:16] <dholbach> I mean, I could just use a usb stick but still it's a bit weird :)
[09:16] <kim0> hehe
[09:17] <kim0> dholbach: well yeah .. not sure what's going there
[09:17] <dholbach> thanks a lot anyway :)
[09:19] <kim0> mm .. server might be out of file descriptors
[09:19] <kim0> might wanna try rebooting it
[09:19] <dholbach> I restarted it 15 minutes ago :)
[09:20] <kim0> ew
[09:20] <kim0> you must be using natty :)
[09:20] <dholbach> I am :)
[09:21] <dholbach> maybe I should restart the client :)
[09:21] <kim0> could be as well
[09:21] <dholbach> brb
[09:25] <dholbach> kim0, it worked
[09:25] <kim0> ah cool :)
[09:25] <dholbach> WEIRD
[09:25] <kim0> yeah!
[09:26] <kim0> I hate it when restarting something resolves it
[09:26] <dholbach> I hate it when the MSWindows approach works :)
[09:26] <dholbach> haha
[09:26]  * dholbach hugs kim0
[09:26] <kim0> hehe
[09:51] <czajkowski>  whooo I love my job and new boss he just rang to say they are shutting the office down and work from home
[09:51] <czajkowski> :D
[09:53] <dholbach> hola randa
[09:56] <duanedesign> morning all
[09:57] <randa> hello everyone :)
[10:34] <dholbach> kim0, I think here's something funny with the wifi - seems like over ethernet I don't have these problems - weird weird weird, I'll ask one of the other guys later on - maybe I'm not the first to complain :)
[10:36] <popey> dholbach: you on battery or AC?
[10:36] <dholbach> AC
[10:37] <dholbach> popey, you read the part of the conversation about stalled scp transfers? :)
[10:37] <popey> no
[10:37] <dholbach> that's what I was referring to :)
[10:37]  * dholbach hugs popey
[10:37] <popey> oookay
[10:41] <kim0> dholbach: do you have a broadcom card
[10:41] <dholbach> no, intelsomething
[10:41] <kim0> there was some driver bug
[10:42] <kim0> well no idea then
[10:42] <popey> i still think its power related :)
[10:43] <dholbach> why should the scp connection initiate, then stall? :)
[10:44] <popey> dholbach: does "sudo iwconfig <device> power off" make any difference?
[10:44] <popey> to disable power management on the wifi
[10:45] <dholbach> SET failed on device wlan0 ; Operation not supported.
[10:45] <popey> iiiinteresting
[10:46] <domjohnson> Has anyone here got an Intuos4 working under 10.10?
[10:47] <domjohnson> (I was told to ask here...)
[10:47]  * popey points domjohnson at doctormo
[10:47] <popey> (he may be asleep)
[10:47] <domjohnson> Ok :)
[10:47] <domjohnson> Thanks
[11:07] <dholbach> dpm, the leader of the basque translations team seems to do an internship in Berlin - he/she just asked me about bug jams of the berlin team :)
[13:41]  * dholbach hugs dpm
[13:42]  * dpm hugs dholbach :)
[14:13] <jcastro> hey dpm
[14:13] <jcastro> http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/1648648635/getting-patch-contribution-back-into-shape#comment-106284827
[14:14] <dpm> heya jcastro, on it
[14:14] <jcastro> <3
[14:16] <dpm> although that might have been a bit precipitated, I need to think of a good answer first :) Just a minute - btw, I haven't forgotten on checking the unity.u.c translation links, I'll get onto that in a minute
[14:17] <dpm> I need to get the announcement on opening Natty translations out first, just finishing off the draft
[14:34] <dholbach> doctormo, thanks a lot for your work on this!
[14:36] <doctormo> dholbach: Happy with the results?
[14:36] <dholbach> http://daniel.holba.ch/temp/guide/introduction-to-ubuntu-development.html
[14:38] <doctormo> dholbach's packaging guide?
[14:39] <doctormo> I think I still have mine, it needs more editing, much shame.
[14:39] <dholbach> doctormo, no, it's not going to stay there
[14:39] <dholbach> I just wanted to put it up somewhere
[14:41] <doctormo> Ah cool, nice work on the text, we should do that editing session we were talking about at UDS.
[14:42] <dholbach> I hope that we can emulate that somehow with loads of merge proposals and getting the content out there so people can give us feedback
[14:43] <doctormo> dholbach: The manual team did well I think by having organised, weekly reading sessions with quick turn arounds.
[14:43] <doctormo> I'm not sure we could enthuse a lot of people to read devel docs any other way.
[14:43] <duanedesign> hello doctormo o/
[14:43] <dholbach> nice, that sounds great
[14:43] <doctormo> hey duanedesign
[14:49] <jcastro> I can't get this new black eyed peas song out of my head
[14:51] <JFo> jcastro, which one?
[14:52] <JFo> boom boom pow?
[14:52] <jcastro> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwQZQygg3Lk
[14:52] <jcastro> come on let's go!
[14:53] <jcastro> JFo: don't put it on, you'll just get addicted
[14:54] <JFo> heh
[14:54] <JFo> too late :-/
[14:54] <jcastro> dirty bit!
[14:54] <JFo> already have it and am addicted
[14:54] <JFo> :)
[14:55] <jcastro> dirty bit!
[14:56] <JFo> I'm tellin you!...
[14:59] <JFo> dang, now I'll be singing that all day
[14:59]  * JFo preempts with some DJ Chuckie
[15:01] <doctormo> JFo: that's rubbish, I got caught out by DJ Tripp's Dynamite Pressure. That's awesome.
[15:02]  * dholbach discovered the term "Electro Swing" yesterday - now I know what they play near the place where I live all the time :)
[15:04] <JFo> dholbach, :)
[15:04] <dholbach> a bit crazy how people get mad about new music that has this "old" touch to it, but it's fun
[15:05] <doctormo> dholbach: That's explainable, especially since a lot of the modern music scene has been about everything being new and fresh and little has been done with remixing and rerecording different styles (although that seems to be changing)
[15:11] <dpm> Natty is now open for translation! Please anyone feel free to retweet: http://twitter.com/#!/ubuntul10n/status/10710720010256384
[15:11] <dpm> (it's on identi.ca as well, but it seems that the update from gwibber hasn't reached their servers?)
[15:16] <dholbach> dpm, yeeeeehaw!
[15:18] <dpm> :-)
[16:10] <JFo> <-downloading the new dholbach hotness
[16:11] <dholbach> JFo, thanks for the flowers :)
[16:11] <JFo> heh
[16:14] <nigelb> I love html5
[16:15] <nigelb> its playing the new dholbach hawtness ;)
[16:15] <popey> you're right, dholbach is the hawtness!
[16:15] <nigelb> hehe
[16:16] <dholbach> jono, ^ there is something seriously going wrong in this community
[16:16] <dholbach> jono, I think we need some sort of Council to fix this
[16:16] <JFo> it's love I tell ya
[16:16] <nigelb> Totally
[16:16] <JFo> the Council of Love
[16:16] <jcastro> no no no no dholbach
[16:16] <JFo> I like it
[16:16] <jcastro> what we need is some new governance
[16:17]  * nisshh laughs
[16:17] <nigelb> jcastro: Governing love?
[16:17] <JFo> Love Governance?
[16:17] <JFo> :)
[16:17]  * nigelb ^5 JFo
[16:17] <JFo> Love Parliament?
[16:17] <JFo> :)
[16:18] <nisshh> JFo, the senate of love?
[16:18] <nigelb> Circle of Love!
[16:18] <JFo> nisshh, nice one :)
[16:18] <nisshh> :)
[16:18] <JFo> tribal council of love?
[16:18] <nisshh> JFo, i didnt know we were a tribe....
[16:19] <JFo> Ubuntu tribe
[16:19] <JFo> :)
[16:19] <nigelb> We aer a tribe
[16:19] <nisshh> hehe
[16:19] <nigelb> Haven't you read Carla Shroder yet?
[16:20] <nisshh> nigelb, im 19, chances are i havent read anything that sounds posh like that :)
[16:20] <nigelb> lol
[16:20] <nigelb> She talks about the love in Ubuntu community in some article
[16:21]  * JFo spreads the love
[16:21] <dholbach> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring-stats/ - we're below 40
[16:21] <dholbach> holy cow :)
[16:21] <nigelb> Wow
[16:22] <nisshh> nice
[16:22] <dholbach> nigelb, see why we need to get the reviewers to add new stuff? :)
[16:22] <nigelb> dholbach: I noticed
[16:22] <jono> dholbach, lol
[16:22] <nigelb> I wish I wasn't on bandnarrow
[16:22] <nigelb> Can't build packages
[16:23] <dholbach> nigelb?
[16:23] <nigelb> dholbach: I've been trying to build a package with patches that jcastro pointed me to
[16:23] <nigelb> Not much bandwidth at home
[16:24] <nigelb> My parents have a 1Gb upper limit on total bandwidth
[16:24] <nigelb> (I finished 600MB on day 1 of vacation :p)
[16:24] <dholbach> ok, I see
[16:24] <nigelb> I wonder if I can push this onto a ppa
[16:24] <kim0> nigelb: lol
[16:24] <dholbach> but I wasn't expecting you to single-handedly move all those bugs with patches over :)
[16:25] <nigelb> no, but setting an example wouldn't hurt and blogging about it :D
[16:25] <nigelb> kim0: :D
[16:25] <jcastro> jono: where's the graphic for branch, create, push rock?
[16:25] <dholbach> right
[16:25] <kim0> hehe
[16:25] <kim0> nigelb: rock on
[16:25] <jono> jcastro, on my flickr feed
[16:26] <jono> one sec
[16:26] <jono> jcastro, http://www.flickr.com/photos/jonobacon/5079758778/sizes/o/
[16:26] <dholbach> jono, introduction to Ubuntu draft with doctormo diagram goodness: http://daniel.holba.ch/temp/guide/introduction-to-ubuntu-development.html :)
[16:27] <dholbach> it's the standard sphinx layout, but I'm sure we can beautify that at some later stage
[16:27] <jono> dholbach, wow, that looks sweet!
[16:27] <jono> doctormo, great work!
[16:27] <kim0> dpm makes good looking buttons :)
[16:27] <dholbach> I'm just getting it user-tested
[16:28] <dpm> kim0, thanks, feel free to steal them if you like them :) I still need to put the SVG somewhere public
[16:29] <nigelb> dholbach: love the mix mp3 :D
[16:29] <jono> jcastro, dholbach, dpm, kim0 you are all rocking this release :)
[16:29] <nigelb> oooh, sphinx ftw
[16:29] <dholbach> nigelb, thanks for the flowers :)
[16:29] <dpm> \o/
[16:29] <dholbach> and yeah.. jono: thanks for the flowers too :)
[16:30] <dpm> dholbach, here's some more: great work, that looks awesome!
[16:31] <dpm> doctormo, good work on the graphics too!
[16:32] <dholbach> dpm, the best thing about it is, look how easy it is: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~dholbach/%2Bjunk/ubuntu-packaging-guide/annotate/head%3A/introduction-to-ubuntu-development.rst :)
[16:32] <nigelb> AlanBell: wow, looks like @theashes is actually watching cricket!
[16:32] <nigelb> Wow wow, just wow
[16:33] <dpm> dholbach, no way! Really?
[16:33] <jono> dholbach, no worries, thanks for the hard work :)
[16:33] <nigelb> AlanBell: and she has 12K followers now O_O
[16:33] <dholbach> dpm, and running "make html" afterwards
[16:33] <dpm> wow
[16:33] <dholbach> dpm, same for getting pdf files: make latexpdf
[16:33] <dpm> nice
[16:34] <dholbach> dpm, now we just need to get it all translated (which works, but just in the weird way I described to you)
[16:34] <dpm> dholbach, yeah. I didn't subscribe to the upstream bug. Has there been any progress there?
[16:34] <jcastro> wow, those graphs are sweet
[16:35] <dholbach> not yet, there's been a few commits but AFAICS they all were unrelated
[16:36] <dholbach> I'll ask next week if I can be of any help there (I probably won't be of much help, the code is python, but it feels a bit outside my league :))
[16:36] <nigelb> Isn't sphinx a pocoo project?
[16:36] <dholbach> it is
[16:37] <nigelb> Gosh, 3rd pocoo project I'm running into this week ;)
[16:37] <dholbach> ok my friends - I'm going to call it a day
[16:37] <dholbach> have a great weekend everyone
[16:37] <nigelb> g'nite dholbach
[16:37]  * dholbach hugs you all
[16:42] <nigelb> jono: um, its 11.10 that's open for translations, not 11.04
[16:42]  * nigelb changes jono's name to robbie (he always got it wrong :p)
[16:42] <jono> bollocks
[16:43] <jono> haha
[16:43] <nigelb> :D
[16:44] <AlanBell> did jono just announce the Offensive Octopus was open for translations?
[16:44] <JFo> the obliviated oliphaunt?
[16:44] <jono> nigelb, hang on 11.04 is open
[16:44] <jono> not 11.10
[16:45] <JFo> heh
[16:45] <JFo> you guys crack me up
[16:45] <jono> I am going nuts
[16:45] <dpm> :-)
[16:45] <JFo> yeah, 11.04 is the natty narwhal
[16:45] <jono> nigelb, what are you talking about?
[16:46] <nigelb> jono: lol, you're awake ;)
[16:46] <dpm> kim0, great work on the Cloud portal and the introductory screencast
[16:46]  * jono is confused
[16:46] <AlanBell> nigelb is confused
[16:46]  * JFo is LMAO
[16:46]  * nigelb was originally confused
[16:46] <nigelb> and managed to get jono confused
[16:46] <nigelb> which is a very significant achievement
[16:47] <jono> nigelb, hah, getting me confused is simple
[16:47] <jono> happens all the time :)
[16:47]  * JFo points jono at something shiny
[16:48] <nigelb> heh
[16:48] <JFo> welp. that's lunch
[16:48] <jcastro> god
[16:49] <vish> has paultag always been good at writing interesting blogs, or am i just noticing it now ;)
[16:49] <jcastro> using the wiki is after using Ask Ubuntu is like a punch in the head
[16:49] <vish> paultag:  the tumblr post was neat! :)
[16:49] <AlanBell> apparently someone in IS has been asked to test the upgrade to moin 1.9 on a VM
[16:50] <AlanBell> so xapian can be turned on, and the wiki will suck less
[16:51] <kim0> dpm: thanks man :)
[16:51] <vish> jcastro: hey, so nhandler seems to have trouble finding a mail server.. know anyone else who can host that?
[16:51] <jcastro> vish: relay throught your existing mail client?
[16:51] <jcastro> er, smtp gateway I mean?
[16:52] <vish> yup..
[16:54] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/InstallUSBKey
[16:54] <jcastro> ok!
[16:54] <jcastro> new rule, no more howtos in blogs! :)
[16:55] <czajkowski> heh
[16:55] <vish> whaaa!! "As much as I dislike Unity,.."    He might do it before tomorrow morning :p
[16:57] <jcastro> the fact that he can speak at all is a rarity where he comes from
[16:57] <nigelb> lol
[17:13] <jcastro> jono: when you get a chance can you update your blog to mention "apt-get upgrade" and not dist-upgrade, during Natty that will probably break the person's key at some point
[17:16] <jono> jcastro, will do
[17:58] <paultag> vish, :)
[17:58] <paultag> vish, thanks :)
[17:59] <paultag> vish, If you force Unity on Flux, I'm about to get all up in someone's biznas
[17:59] <paultag> ;)
[18:00] <paultag> BRB, changing my strings
[18:07] <jcastro> vish: high 5 on the papercuts mention on omg
[18:07] <jcastro> vish: I am going to blog the bitesize bugs in a few hours
[18:11] <jcastro> hmmm, is it me or does the new planet theme kind of feel too ...... sanitized for planet.
[18:11]  * vish ^5 jcastro
[18:11] <jcastro> doesn't feel as homey or as laid back as it should I think
[18:11] <vish> ooh, bitesize!!
[18:11] <jcastro> a bit too formal
[18:12] <vish> jcastro: do you want them in papercuts?
[18:17] <jcastro> vish: I think every papercut can be bitesize, but not the other way around
[18:17] <jcastro> so sure, tag em up
[18:18] <jcastro> vish: just add the tag to anything in unity you feel is bitesizeable
[18:18] <dpm> jcastro, ok, I've replied to the comment on your blog re: patch pilot and translations. And here's the reviewed list of links for translations on http://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved -> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/539492/
[18:18] <vish> jcastro: yea, was just wondering since you and sense were discussing it and i dint catch the end of the discussion..
[18:18] <jcastro> dpm: thanks man! I'll update it now, and have a good week off!
[18:18] <dpm> jcastro, thanks, I most certainly will :)
[18:25] <greg-g> jcastro: I agree, the hackergotchis should be bigger to give it more personality
[18:26] <vish> yea, cant really appreciate doctormo drinking tea :(
[18:26] <jcastro> you can have personality without animated gifs
[18:26] <vish> nah, cant see the cup.. too small ;p
[18:27] <greg-g> jcastro: agree, but my comment still stands ;)
[18:29] <vish> jcastro: btw, your avatar on askubuntu looks better when viewed small.. than on your profile page ;p
[18:30] <jcastro> heh
[18:35] <vish> oddly when its small, it seems like you're holding one of those classic old cameras
[18:37] <jcastro> but really I AM ROCKING OUT
[19:08] <jcastro> vish: http://askubuntu.com/questions/16085/what-do-i-need-to-know-in-order-to-help-with-bug-papercut-fixing
[19:09] <vish> jcastro: huh, i guess he wants a listing of programming languages.. :)
[19:10] <jcastro> vish: I think a link to the getting started pages or whatever would be what he wants
[19:11] <jcastro> and something like "you need to know how to  code"
[19:11] <jcastro> hahah
[19:11] <vish> ;)
[20:11] <czajkowski> nice to see the photos of the team on the team loco dir page http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-ie
[20:13] <pleia2> very cool
[20:13] <pleia2> how does that work?
[20:15] <czajkowski> the tags
[20:16] <czajkowski> there are flicker and pixie ones set up for global events
[20:16] <czajkowski> so ubuntu hour and global jams are ones that get used
[20:16] <czajkowski> and appear on each teams pages if they have accounts set up
[20:16] <czajkowski> :D
[20:20] <vish> czajkowski: thats neat! just a few mins ago, someone from ireland lug came to -artwork and requested a review for a new logo :) http://www.foopics.com/show/0ed294a90e6e25e97f813b91b7a57b5e
[20:21] <czajkowski> aye seen it nice
[20:21] <czajkowski> we do have a cool small team
[20:21] <czajkowski> miss them :(
[20:21] <czajkowski> which also reminds me if we can become an active loco others can
[20:22] <czajkowski> we're spread out and a lot only happens in one area but we do try, mixing up this xmas by teaming up with other user groups having a geeky pub quiz
[20:25] <pleia2> hmm, so what tags do we need to use to get them to show up for our team? the lp name of the team?
[20:26] <Technoviking> jcastro: the unity menu icon is work, somewhat, outstanding
[20:29] <czajkowski> pleia2: for the UH http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/17/detail/
[20:29] <czajkowski> explains it there
[20:29] <czajkowski> for the global jam http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/567/detail/
[20:29] <pleia2> thank you :)
[20:30] <czajkowski> np
[20:30] <czajkowski> I tweet that every so often to help remind folks
[20:30] <pleia2> hmm, so my flickr image that I tagged with #ubuntuhour shows up
[20:30] <pleia2> how do I get it to show up on the team page?
[20:31] <czajkowski> had a really cool afternoon yesterday in canonical offices doing some looking at Ubuntu.com site with Alejandra
[20:31] <czajkowski> pleia2: team ac
[20:31] <czajkowski> so pics will show up globally on those pages
[20:32] <czajkowski> but for a team page it needs a team ac set up, which you can edit the team page and enter
[20:32] <czajkowski> or add a person ac who will add the pics
[20:32] <pleia2> ah, I see
[20:32] <pleia2> thanks :)
[20:32] <czajkowski> np
[20:33]  * czajkowski hugs pleia2
[20:33]  * pleia2 hugs
[20:45] <jcastro> jono: I need a retweet in about 30 seconds.
[20:48] <jcastro> http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/2084859426/getting-started-working-on-unity
[20:50] <jono> jcastro, will do
[20:52] <jono> tweeted
[20:52] <jono> now facebooking
[20:53] <czajkowski> jcastro: nice blog post
[20:53] <jcastro> I hope the craftsmanship-type analogy works
[20:53] <jono> jcastro, can you update it to say people can get help in #ayatana on freenode
[20:53] <jcastro> though I don't think unity-luthiers would have caught on as a team
[20:54] <jcastro> plus, the ninjas would so kick their butts
[20:54] <jcastro> jono: sure
[20:54] <jono> jcastro, cool - ok, all Facebooked up
[20:55] <jcastro> added a link to the mailing list
[20:55] <jcastro> and the irc channel
[20:55] <jono> thanks jcastro
[20:55] <jono> good man
[20:55] <jono> jcastro, ask the OMG! guys to publish a link to it too
[20:55] <jono> and mention these reports will be weekly
[20:56] <jono> lets get them involved in providing more exposure
[20:56] <jcastro> jono: side note, we need openrespect-like badge-like thing for the branch/create/push/rock thing
[20:56] <jono> jcastro, yeah
[20:56] <jono> well there are different sized images on my flickr page
[20:56] <jono> those can do for now
[20:57] <jcastro> yeah I mean real pro ones from design
[20:57] <jcastro> (no offense) heh
[20:57] <jono> no worries :)
[20:58]  * jcastro will get to OMG after he posts on the forums
[21:03] <jcastro> man, I have the worst timing every time I blog
[21:03] <jcastro> I /always/ hit the planet update, but before I go back and fix things I miss
[21:03] <jcastro> it's like, a 2 minute window
[21:03] <jcastro> and I always hit it
[21:04] <czajkowski> jcastro: nice question http://twitter.com/#!/aidandelaney/status/10800257080229888
[21:04] <czajkowski> though perhaps it's been answered elsewhere
[21:05] <jcastro> yeah I just found it
[21:05] <jcastro> wikipedia's pages seem to be right
[21:14] <jcastro> http://qa.debian.org/popcon-png.php?packages=shotwell&show_installed=on&want_legend=on&want_ticks=on&date_fmt=%25Y-%25m&beenhere=1
[21:14] <jcastro> heh
[21:42] <cjohnston> jcastro: the wiki page says if your totally lost contact you.. can that be on anything? :-P
[21:42] <cjohnston> nice post btw
[21:46] <jcastro> jono: are you talking to foundations folks about improving the usb key experience?
[21:47] <jono> yep
[21:47] <jcastro> they key is kind of useless testing nvidia and ati for example, since the system isn't persistant, just the user data
[21:47] <jcastro> I just tried to be clever and run ubiquity on my desktop and try to install it onto a usb key but it crashes right after partitioning
[21:54] <doctormo> jcastro: Report a bug :-)
[21:54] <jcastro> yeah except it's more complicated than that, I'll have to talk to evan directly
[21:55] <jcastro> since it says "check /var/log/syslog" but I can't find where it logs when you just run it on an existing system
[21:56] <jcastro> jono: I am closing up and EOWing.
[21:56] <jcastro> have a good weekend everyone!
[21:56] <cjohnston> o/
[21:57] <jono> jcastro, thanks, pal
[21:57] <JanC> hm, I'm thinking of reasons (to convince the organisation) why we should get 2 tables instead of 1 at our FOSDEM booth...
[21:58] <JFo> more is better! :-)
[21:59] <JanC> I was thinking about needing space to show Quickly and maybe other Ubuntu-related projects
[22:00] <JanC> this is a developer conference, so should not be "to show off U1MS" or such  ;)
[22:00] <doctormo> bye
[22:00] <doctormo> JanC: depends on the number of people you have to man the booth. 2 tables means 2 people should be there most of the time.
[22:03] <JanC> doctormo: 2 people must be there anyway
[22:07] <JanC> 1 of the conditions for stand requests: "man the stand with at least 2 persons during the entire conference,"
[23:18] <jcastro> http://twitpic.com/3clskf
[23:18] <jcastro> hah


[01:43] <gebbione> how to tell where CUPS-BRF-Printer outputs the PDF?
[01:51] <alevykh> Hello! Where can I download Ubuntu released before 22.04.3? Preferred version is 22.04.1. Only a verified resource, please. I'm asking because have issue https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2490602
[01:57] <gebbione> alevykh, i just googled it http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/
[02:00] <alevykh> gebbione, thank you! I forgot about google (
[02:32] <Anonamy> hello I need help. I am using a Ubuntu Live CD to access a hard drive on a computer.
[02:33] <Anonamy> the hard drive is also Ubuntu.
[02:33] <Anonamy> I am trying to backup the home directory, however I am getting permission denied error. I check the permissions and it says the user is '1000'
[02:34] <Anonamy> I tried also using 'sudo thunar' but still get same error.
[02:34] <rbox> just open a console, sudo -i, cd to the directory, and copy whatevery ou want
[02:41] <Anonamy> rbox, thanks !
[02:43] <zcot> Anonamy: you can check a right click in thunar, "open as root". sudo thunar is not the best move, although not as much of a big deal on a live session but winging sudo as any resort is not great. 'pkexec thunar' would be a more designed solution.
[02:45] <Eickmeyer> If it's an Ubuntu live CD, zcot, it doesn't have thunar.
[02:49] <Akshay> Hello, I am currently dual booting an older version of Ubuntu (20.04) on my PC build! I, however, keep running into an issue after installation where I get stuck at the recovering journal with a message that says something like iwlwifi ... no suitable firmware found. I also can't enter Ubuntu recovery mode because I don't have a grub menu and have
[02:49] <Akshay> to change my boot order manually through the BIOS to switch from Ubuntu and Windows. Can anyone help? :)
[02:51] <zcot> Eickmeyer: ah! right, didn't pick up the flavor variation there.
[02:52] <rbox> Akshay: step 1, back up your files, step 2 intall a modern version, step 3 profit
[02:52] <Akshay> What if I need an older version though? I'm using ROS and need 20.04 lol
[02:52] <rbox> use docker
[02:53] <Eickmeyer> rbox: That's not helpful.
[02:53] <Eickmeyer> Akshay: I had to do that with my son's laptop by using refind as a bootloader instead of grub.
[02:53] <Eickmeyer> !info refind focal
[02:54] <Eickmeyer> More info at rodsbooks.com
[02:54] <Akshay> Do I install refind on my windows OS?
[02:55] <Eickmeyer> Well, considering it's installable from Ubuntu (and I just pointed out the Ubuntu package), I wouldn't.
[02:55] <Eickmeyer> It installs to the EFI partition on your machine.
[02:56] <Eickmeyer> Same as grub would do.
[02:56] <Akshay> I see... How would I install on Ubuntu without Ubuntu tho :/
[02:57] <Akshay> I currently only have windows
[02:57] <Eickmeyer> Change your boot manually (temporarily) until refind is installed, then change to refind.
[02:57] <Akshay> Okay thank you
[02:57] <Eickmeyer> That's what I had to do with my son's Gateway.
[02:57] <Eickmeyer> yw
[03:12] <toddc> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[04:55] <e54> Hello? Is there anybody out there?
[04:56] <toddc> !ask | e54
[04:58] <e54> I have no question. Thanks.
[04:58] <toddc> lots of us here
[05:01] <e54> I haven't been on irc in years. I was checking out new thunderbird. They still have irc client. lol
[07:23] <webchat51> hi all. can someone help me please? my 23.04 doesn't boot, just black screen and flickering cursor. I have tried anything I have found online. Ctrl+Alt+t doesn't work either.
[07:42] <quite> hiya. today, when I run `apt update` in an container based on docker.io/library/ubuntu:22.10 i'm getting "The repository 'http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu kinetic-security Release' does not have a Release file.". i did not see that yesterday -- is that me or...?
[07:42] <quite> something has gone EOL?
[07:43] <toddc> quite:  https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2023/07/27/ubuntu-22-10-kinetic-kudu-end-of-life-reached-on-july-20-2023/
[07:45] <quite> toddc: thanks, i found that but somehow just filtered it because it did not mention "september", thanks!
[07:45] <toddc> stick to lts
[07:45] <quite> toddc: yes! i'll mention to my peers as well.
[07:49] <geirha> regular releases are supported for 9 months, LTS releases for 5 years, so LTS gives you a lot more time to upgrade
[10:34] <alumne> hola
[12:29] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:46] <ev0n44> Does ubuntu use a separate password for superuser like debian does?
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> !sudo | ev0n44
[13:47] <leftyfb> ev0n44: Debian doesn't do that either
[13:47] <leftyfb> ev0n44: please read up on what sudo us
[13:47] <leftyfb> is*
[13:48] <leftyfb> ev0n44: root has a password and your user has a password. When your user attempt to run something using "sudo", the password it is asking for is your users password
[13:49] <leftyfb> ev0n44: by default, the root account is disabled and unless you know what you're doing, you shouldn't set one or use root at all
[13:51] <ev0n44> leftyfb thanks.  That's all I needed to know.  Trying to set up a system where the user has no ability to install any software without a root password.  I will stick with debian then
[13:52] <leftyfb> Both Debian and Ubuntu will react that situation the same way
[13:53] <leftyfb> Both of them allow you to add a user without admin privileges
[13:53] <lotuspsychje> ev0n44: could play with chmod on the user you want to restrict too
[13:53] <ev0n44> this is true
[13:53] <lotuspsychje> !chmod
[13:54] <ev0n44> Ok if what I'm trying to do doesn't work with my debian install, I will try ubuntu next
[13:54] <leftyfb> And both of them disable root by default
[13:54] <leftyfb> ev0n44: both of them will be the same in this regard
[13:54] <leftyfb> Just create a user without admin privileges and set a root password
[13:55] <ev0n44> leftyfb, really?  root isn't disabled in my debian install. It actually asked me to set a root password
[13:55] <leftyfb> Mind you, this is all a terrible idea
[13:55] <lotuspsychje> ev0n44: there are some kiosk packages/methods on ubuntu as well, if thats your end goal
[13:56] <leftyfb> I’m order to install software, you are requiring them to login as root. Now they have full admin privileges
[13:56] <leftyfb> I’m/in
[13:57] <leftyfb> I don’t see the purpose of setting and giving out a root password just to limit what users can do. That’s what the sudo group and sudoers is for
[13:58] <leftyfb> Setting and giving out a root password is giving complete and unrestricted access to the entire system, the same thing as just adding a user to certain groups including the sudo group
[14:11] <ev0n44> I have no intention of giving out the root password.  The root password is just for me to administration.  I just don't want my kids to be able to add any software to the computer at all
[14:14] <leftyfb> ev0n44: then add users for your kids that don't have admin privs
[14:14] <leftyfb> it's pretty simple
[14:14] <lotuspsychje> +1
[14:14] <ev0n44> Ok I will try it that way
[14:14] <leftyfb> ev0n44: you have yet to give a valid reason to enable the root account
[14:15] <ev0n44> I hear what you're saying. I will try it that way.
[14:17] <ev0n44> Is the only way to get ubuntu with just the terminal to use the server edition?
[14:17] <leftyfb> that's the preferred method, yes
[14:18] <ev0n44> Ok just making sure.  Debian's not working out for me so i'm going to try ubuntu now
[15:03] <peacefulman> it's been awhile since I used ms teams on linux, is the web client decent now? Can you share your desktop with no problems? Last time I used the browser client it was limited.
[15:04] <peacefulman> I noticed Microsoft discontinued the binary / deb pkg for teams.
[15:04] <leftyfb> peacefulman: teams for the web has nothing to do with ubuntu/linux. It should work just as well as it does on any other OS
[15:04] <oerheks> unofficial https://snapcraft.io/teams-for-linux
[15:05] <peacefulman> leftyfb: is that a joke? Because previously the browser client was really limited on linux and buggy.
[15:05] <peacefulman> oerheks: thanks, much appreciated
[15:06] <oerheks> it is unofficial, but recently updated
[15:06] <oerheks> also, teams work best from edge. ymmv
[15:06] <leftyfb> edge = skinned chromium
[15:07] <leftyfb> there should be no difference
[15:07] <oerheks> better than in chrome, AFAIK
[15:15] <peacefulman> leftyfb: it's obvious you have never actually used the teams browser client. I've tried both chromium and the official chrome version, do a search and you'll find other people have similiar issues. Maybe they finally fixed them now, but it was limited for quite some time
[15:16] <oerheks> maybe .. time to test now?
[15:17] <leftyfb> peacefulman: I've used it for video calls and it's worked fine. Regardless, we're offtopic here as it's not an ubuntu support issue. If there are bugs with it, then you'll need to report those bugs with Microsoft
[15:24] <peacefulman> leftyfb: I asked because I am curious what the support is in ubuntu. Is asking if an app works ok on ubuntu offtopic?
[15:36] <peacefulman> leftfb: hey... I apologize. I'm being too argumentative.
[16:54] <leftleg_> hello all
[16:54] <leftleg_> I setup Ubuntu server 22.04. I want the home folder for users to be created on on raid volume, and not the OS ssd. I've been searching the Google, but I'm not finding anything. Is there some config file I can edit to set this automatically when I create a new user?
[16:55] <ikonia> leftleg_: either useradd/usermod -d to set it the mount point of your ssd, or mount your ssd on /home
[16:56] <leftyfb> leftleg_: https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/en/man8/useradd.8.html#:~:text=%2Dd%2C%20%2D%2Dhome%2Ddir%20HOME_DIR
[17:02] <leftleg_> leftyfb: Thanks. Do you know if there is a way to define BASE_DIR permanently?
[17:02] <leftleg_> ikonia: Thanks.
[17:02] <leftyfb> leftleg_: bind mount your RAID home over /home
[17:03] <leftleg_> Ahh. I've read some about bind mount. Bind mount is an alias?
[17:03] <leftyfb> no, it's a bind mount :)
[17:04] <leftyfb> it's basically mounting an existing mount or even directory over another directory
[17:11] <leftleg_> So basically I'm setting up an ftp user for a phone system for backups. I know there a bunch of ways to go about it, but would install vsftpd, configure vsftpd,  add users, change the home directory if needed. Is there a better way to achive this, or is there something you could recoomend to a new Ubunutu user here?
[17:12] <oerheks> setup a SSH user ;
[17:12] <leftyfb> leftleg_: I recommend using scp/sftp over ftp and using something like ansible to automate building this server and another ansible playbook just for adding new users which will do everything you need. Or just make a script on the server to do it
[17:15] <matsaman> leftyfb: would also suggest using an ssh server and sftp/&c
[17:15] <matsaman> or even rsync
[17:15] <matsaman> ftp is insecure by default, ssh is more frequently already provisioned and easier to setup and secure by default
[17:17] <oerheks> rsync and grsync as gui
[17:17] <oerheks> tons of solutions
[17:48] <Elw3> Could someone please check for me if the picture viewer mirage works for them? i am getting a plain segfault here
[17:51] <ioria> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mirage/+bug/1994145
[17:51] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1994145 in mirage (Ubuntu) "Mirage segfaults immediately when run" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[17:52] <ioria> maybe a python issue, idk exactly
[17:53] <Elw3> Oh thank you
[17:54] <ioria> Elw3, you can try the appimage : https://github.com/mirukana/mirage/releases
[17:54] <Elw3> I really dont wanna mess with these
[17:55] <ioria> nvm, sorry that's is something else
[17:57] <oerheks> build it yourself? mirage (0.11.1-1build6)   * Rebuild to drop Python 3.10 extension
[17:59] <Elw3> not wanting to mess around at all, its just a bit annoying when stuff from the repo plain segfaults
[18:32] <xli40> hello
[18:32] <mwu41> YOURE DUMB
[18:32] <mwu41> sorry
[18:33] <leftyfb> xli40: mwu41: please don't. There's also need to be signed into IRC twice
[18:34] <mwu41> im soryr leftyfb
[18:35] <leftleg_> leftyfb: oerheks: Thanks.
[18:37] <mwu41> hi there
[18:37] <leftleg_> hello
[19:11] <Elw3> Jebus another package broken. How is the state of the repo that bad?
[20:00] <radix0> Hey, folks. Ignorant Windows admin here. Something I've had on my mind for a while now but there's no obvious answer. Is there any concept with Ubuntu distros of a "patch tuesday" of sorts or a day a bunch of patches are released at once for ubuntu machines or is more "rolling" style?
[20:00] <rbox> things are patched when they are patched
[20:01] <rbox> but you can just run update/upgrade once a week if you want
[20:01] <rbox> you can do it on tuesday!
[20:03] <ravage> radix0: asap
[20:03] <radix0> OK I think that's the answer I needed, thanks. So my rough once-a-month checkin is probably fine.
[20:03] <radix0> ravage, obviously :)
[20:04] <ravage> the security team tries not to release on friday
[20:05] <radix0> I try to not patch on fridays. So we're in sync on that point lol
[20:07] <ravage> i recommend unattended-upgrades set to security
[20:07] <ravage> on an LTS release that is really safe
[20:43] <cybot_> hi
[22:29] <mgj> hello there
[22:36] <oerheks> not a record
[22:37] <wikifurry-1> what % of ubuntu users are femboys
[22:37] <oerheks> the other % love you
[22:37] <oerheks> !ot
[22:38] <oerheks> 😂
[23:07] <chonkin> ;
[23:10] <oerheks> yes no
[23:10] <oerheks> hi chonkin
[23:11] <oerheks> https://www.dropbox.com/s/w6ywqjtkr73t8vg/2018music.png?dl=0
[23:12] <oerheks> oops wrong channel
[23:12] <chonkin> hello
[23:12] <chonkin> any KDE plasma fans?
[23:15] <oerheks> sure
[23:15] <oerheks> more likelyin #kubuntu
[23:16] <oerheks> kde is great, it is like gnome + tweaks
[23:20] <milp> hello
[23:22] <oerheks> :-)
[23:27] <leftleg_> is there any good way to sync icloud with ubuntu system? My goal is to sync an icloud share to my local ubuntu box.
[23:30] <oerheks> yes
[23:30] <oerheks> wikipedia oerheks
[23:31] <oerheks> sorry
[23:31] <oerheks> sudo snap install icloud-for-linux
[23:31] <oerheks> https://snapcraft.io/icloud-for-linux
[23:32] <oerheks> other option is via onedrive
[23:32] <oerheks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1451981/transfer-files-from-icloud-and-one-drive-to-desktop-running-ubuntu
[23:47] <pasjrwoctx> is anyone well experienced with v4l2 and gphoto2?
[23:48] <leftyfb> oerheks: while that sounds great on paper, in reality it's just individual shortcuts to the web-app version of the individual icloud services
[23:52] <leftyfb> oerheks: what's worse, every time to close the window, you have to sign in again the next time you open a new one
[23:54] <oerheks> oh, weird.
[23:54] <oerheks> downside of snap protective env.
[23:54] <leftyfb> I wouldn't blame just snaps, Apple isn't going to allow installing their apps on linux
[23:55] <leftyfb> they're just web apps
[23:56] <oerheks> yes, good protective cookie
[23:56] <oerheks> it works, that is all


[12:49] <delinquentme> bzr branch lp:~bzr/bzr-gtk/trunk ~/bzr-gtk/john   ... this guy here ... what does the lp stand for?
[12:50] <delinquentme> and can I take downstream commits ... commit them to a new branch .. then push that branch to the parent repo?
[12:55] <ChristopheT> delinquentme: lp = launchpad <https://launchpad.net/>
[12:56] <delinquentme> ChristopheT, Oh so thats where the trunk is located at
[12:58] <ChristopheT> You do not have the right to push <https://launchpad.net/bzr-gtk> but you can push to your own account or submit a patch to the bug tracker.
[13:18] <delinquentme> thanks ChristopheT
[13:18] <delinquentme> !


[06:04] <czajkowski> aloha
[06:58] <dholbach> good morning
[07:10] <jussi> Does anyone remember how to forward a whole gmail thread of messages?
[07:17] <czajkowski> nope sorry
[07:44] <tsimpson> jussi: more -> forward all
[07:44] <tsimpson> (the "more" on the top bar)
[07:50] <jussi> tsimpson: thank you :)
[07:51]  * tsimpson actually didn't know it existed until he looked
[07:55] <kim0> Morning all
[08:06] <ejat> morning kim0
[08:13] <kim0> ejat: hey there
[08:17] <ejat> :0
[08:34] <kim0> new kernel on updates .. reboots
[09:08] <dholbach> ƀack
[10:04]  * popey hugs dholbach
[10:06] <kim0> is that a normal b letter in back
[10:06]  * kim0 wipes screen
[10:06] <nigelb> heh
[10:07] <nigelb> I did that as well
[11:08] <Pendulum> hiya
[13:33] <akgraner> jcastro, did you see the pics of our new kitten....she still doesn't have a name yet
[13:34] <jcastro> yeah
[13:34] <jcastro> he looks awesome
[13:34] <jcastro> We miss our cat, but everything is so much cleaner now!
[13:39] <akgraner> no outfit is complete without cat hair :-)
[14:46] <akgraner> juju and charms  - all I can think of is Sammy Hagar and breakfast cereal ;-)  /me reads some more
[14:47] <akgraner> but I like the artwork...
[14:54] <mhall119> akgraner: name her oneiric
[14:55] <akgraner> mhall119, http://cloud.ubuntu.com/ws my juju and charms reference - https://juju.ubuntu.com/
[14:56] <akgraner> Becca said we can't name her *anything*  Ubuntu related
[14:56] <mhall119> first link didn't work
[14:56] <mhall119> they renamed ensemble?
[14:56] <akgraner> http://cloud.ubuntu.com/
[14:57] <akgraner> yeppers
[14:57] <mhall119> sheesh, between that and unity, I can't keep up with what anything is called
[14:58] <kim0> mhall119: yeah they did :)
[15:00] <dholbach> jcastro, kim0, dpm: team call now? let's apply some juju and get Jono here
[15:00] <dpm> dholbach, he moved it to tomorrow, didn't he?
[15:01]  * mhall119 hopes czajkowski is having a good first day
[15:01] <dholbach> dpm, oh?
[15:01] <kim0> dholbach: it's tomorrow yeah
[15:01] <kim0> He's off today
[15:01] <dholbach> ok
[15:01] <dholbach> nevermind
[15:01] <dholbach> :)
[15:01] <dpm> dholbach, oh, it seems Jono didn't cancel today's event on the calendar, though
[15:01] <dpm> but yeah, it'll be tomorrow
[15:05] <mhall119> jcastro: what's with all the Hackfest room names in summit?
[15:06] <mhall119> oh, it's from the track
[15:07] <mhall119> jcastro: I don't think we assigned tracks to rooms the last several UDSes
[15:07] <mhall119> I'm not sure it even adds anything in terms of functionality
[15:08] <jcastro> it's for linaro
[15:08] <jcastro> they want a few dedicated hackrooms in the afternoon
[15:09] <mhall119> ok
[15:10] <mhall119> besides displaying it on the schedule page, I'm not sure it does much though
[15:10] <dholbach> kim0, you need to re-do all your videos!
[15:11] <kim0> dholbach: don't you just love it :)
[15:12]  * akgraner is happy I pushed and article I was doing search and replace now needed
[15:16] <akgraner> juju FAQ page - https://juju.ubuntu.com/FAQ
[15:17] <akgraner> kim0 voice overs on all your videos...
[15:17] <kim0> :) rub it in yeah
[15:19] <akgraner> I've got this great book on Audacity you want to borrow it :-)
[15:20] <kim0> lol :)
[15:40]  * mhall119 liked the name ensemble better
[15:43] <nigelb> ensemble is renamed to juju?
[15:43] <nigelb> Is it April 1?
[15:45] <mhall119> no
[15:45] <nigelb> I like ensemble better :(
[15:45] <mhall119> we sound like old folks complaining about change
[15:46] <nigelb> heh
[15:59] <akgraner> juju has negative implications in some parts of the world
[15:59] <akgraner> but I'm such a Sammy Hagar fan it makes me smile :-)
[15:59] <mhall119> it makes me think of movie theatre candy for some reason
[16:10] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day
[16:10] <dholbach> see you all tomorrow
[16:10]  * dholbach hugs you all
[16:10] <nigelb> gnite!
[17:17] <AlanBell> 0
[17:17] <AlanBell> oops
[18:34] <czajkowski> it was a great day
[18:34] <pleia2> yay :)
[18:38] <ejat> czajkowski: your unity prob solve ?
[18:39] <ejat> with the latest update?
[18:40] <czajkowski> ejat: eh no
[18:41] <ejat> ouch .. btw ... is it only me seing the planet not updating .. or anyone else also notice ..
[18:42] <ejat> since i cant see my blog post feed into the planet ..
[18:48] <mhall119> ejat: I think it updates once an hour ro so
[18:49] <ejat> i think my post already more than 5 hours ... :(
[18:49] <ejat> how should i check / trace ...
[18:50] <ejat> my feed running ok ..
[18:50] <ejat> mhall119: http://feeds.feedburner.com/myfenris
[18:53] <jcastro> I think we let the magic smoke out
[18:54] <ejat> ?
[18:54] <jcastro> it's a term from electrical engineering
[18:54] <ejat> owh ..
[18:54] <jcastro> when you break something and let the smoke escape it stops working
[18:54] <ejat> :)
[18:54] <ejat> but how to trace where have the smoke gone ?
[18:54] <ejat> wink wink
[18:55] <ejat> cant bcoz its magic ?
[18:55] <ejat> !ping kim0
[18:55] <ubot2`> Factoid 'ping kim0' not found
[18:55] <kim0> meh
[18:56] <czajkowski> the amount of times that factoid is used but doesnt exist is amazing
[18:56] <jussi> !ping | ejat
[18:56] <ubot2`> ejat: another contentless ping... sigh...
[18:56] <czajkowski> or the !seen one
[18:56] <ejat> kim0: are u available on nov @ december ?
[18:56] <ejat> mind to submit RFP for http://mygosscon.oscc.org.my/2011/
[18:57] <ejat> for cloud computing?
[18:57] <kim0> what does nov @ december mean
[18:58] <ejat> means .. r u bz or got something else in hand already after the UDS ..
[18:58] <kim0> just usual stuff
[18:58]  * ejat would luv if got a few speaker from canonical for that event
[18:59] <kim0> ejat: anyone at malasia willing to pay some air tickets ? :)
[18:59] <ejat> ouch .. that i need to check with the organizer ..
[19:00] <ejat> :)
[19:00] <kim0> np I'll need to check if I or someone else can go there as well
[19:00] <kim0> let me know when you do
[19:00] <ejat> kim0: thanks ..
[19:00] <kim0> cool
[19:00] <ejat> but did u guys think that i can ask jono to come for the event ?
[19:01] <ejat> sure it will big crowd for APAC region ..
[19:02] <czajkowski> ejat: ask and see sure
[19:03] <ejat> czajkowski: ok .. ill wait till see jono is here then ill try to ask him ..
[19:03] <ejat> or should i just email to him ..
[19:04] <ejat> because .. few years back the date always clash with UDS ..
[19:06] <czajkowski> ejat: I sugges emailing
[19:06] <czajkowski> *uggest
[19:06] <czajkowski> grrrr
[19:06] <czajkowski> SUGGEST!
[19:07] <ejat> :)
[19:08]  * ejat back to planet .. how should i check ...
[19:13] <doctormo> pleia2 & jono: Thoughts on my video: http://blip.tv/martin-owens/we-can-work-it-out-5553028
[19:18] <ejat> thanks doctormo .. suddenly compiz crash to view your clips ..
[19:18]  * ejat reporting the bugs..
[19:19] <doctormo> ejat: lol! Compiz doesn't like the beatles! :-P
[19:19] <ejat> at least .. discover something .. ;)
[19:22] <ejat> owh .. someone already report the bugs 847512
[19:22] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 847512 in nux "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in g_object_unref()" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/847512
[19:25] <ejat> anyone could help me check either my blog hv problem with the rss feed or something else ...
[19:27] <pleia2> ejat: canonical maintains the planet, so you might want to submit a ticket to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if it's not updating (there doesn't appear to be a way to see "last updated" with this planet theme)
[19:27] <ejat> pleia2: ok thanks ..
[19:29] <pleia2> doctormo: first comment: I now have a beatles song stuck in my head
[19:30] <pleia2> doctormo: I like the overall message, but encouraging lively discussion is tough when we're not all on the same page conflict-wise (some people really act aggressively, we should make them watch anti-conflict videos before engaging :))
[19:30] <pleia2> err anti-take-it-personally?
[19:31] <doctormo> pleia2: Yeah, it's hard to split the hair on idea conflict vs personal conflict.
[20:06]  * AlanBell observes Iain Farrell going for Ubuntu Membership
[20:06] <jono> jcastro, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urzCX4eZ6Bc
[20:06] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IainFarrell
[20:31] <Pici> ne
[20:31] <Pici> one
[20:31] <Pici> .. wrong window.
[20:51] <ejat> AlanBell: part already :)
[20:51] <AlanBell> thanks, I have rejoined it now
[20:51] <AlanBell> !register
[20:51] <ubot2> Information about registering your nickname: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat/Registration - Type « /nick <nickname> » to select your nickname. Registration help available by typing /join #freenode
[20:52] <ejat> do ping me if u r ready
[20:52] <AlanBell> yeah feel free to rejoin
[21:52] <head_victim> pleia2: ping
[21:52] <pleia2> head_victim: pong
[21:53] <head_victim> pm ok?
[21:53] <pleia2> sure
[23:21] <ejat> jono .. here ?
[23:21] <jono> ejat, kinda
[23:21] <jono> :-)
[23:22] <ejat> mind to pm ?
[23:22] <jono> sure


[00:01] <blahdeblah> Anyone able to interpret the output of jam's script from https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1680683/comments/3 for me?  https://pastebin.canonical.com/185461/  Looks like something went wrong, possibly because it was run on a non-primary node?
[00:01] <mup> Bug #1680683: Poor "juju create-backup" performance <canonical-is> <juju:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1680683>
[00:04] <menn0> anastasiamac: looks like the "juju models" crash is related to a change in the prototype branch I'm working on.
[00:04] <menn0> anastasiamac: probably nothing to worry about
[00:05] <anastasiamac> menn0: what about destroy model? r u still seeing the failure? even with my fix :( ?
[00:05] <menn0> anastasiamac: still testing that
[00:05]  * menn0 is juggling 4 things at once
[00:05]  * anastasiamac still holds breath then
[00:07] <menn0> anastasiamac: gah! i'm not even able to reproduce the problem without your fix now
[00:07] <blahdeblah> ah, worked it out - needs to be run on the primary
[00:07] <blahdeblah> anastasiamac: ^
[00:08] <menn0> anastasiamac: i'll let you know if I see the problem with your fix in place, but let's assume it's all good for now :)
[00:08]  * menn0 has to go
[00:09] <anastasiamac> menn0: excellent, i'll breath again then
[00:09] <menn0> anastasiamac: it's actually fairly likely I was seeing it in a controller that didn't have your fix
[00:10] <anastasiamac> menn0: awesome \o/ i'd suprised if u'd see it again :D
[00:10] <anastasiamac> (with my fix i mean)
[01:31] <axw> babbageclunk: standup?
[01:42] <menn0> anastasiamac: I like your confidence :)
[01:43] <anastasiamac> menn0: if m not confident in mymself, what m doing here?...
[01:43]  * anastasiamac sighs.. if only i could type
[01:43] <menn0> true :)
[05:16] <mup> Bug #1681287 changed: juju should retry failed update-status hooks <juju-core:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1681287>
[05:22] <mup> Bug #1681287 opened: juju should retry failed update-status hooks <juju-core:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1681287>
[05:34] <mup> Bug #1681287 changed: juju should retry failed update-status hooks <juju-core:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1681287>
[07:10] <wallyworld> axw: if vsphere vms have extraConfig metadata that can hold tags, why do we still also need folders?
[07:11] <axw> wallyworld: AFAIK you can't see the metadata in the UI
[07:11] <axw> wallyworld: folders are the standard way of organising
[07:11] <wallyworld> ok, so purely a user facing aide, that seems fine
[07:12] <axw> wallyworld: it also makes various DestroyController more efficient, since you don't need to trawl through all the VMs then
[07:12] <axw> not a big deal, but it's something
[07:12] <wallyworld> yeah, i noticed that
[07:13] <wallyworld> btw, my isp is having issues atm, so i can't get to launchpad or streams.canonical.com :-(
[07:13] <wallyworld> sigh, makes it hard to look into 2.2 bugs
[07:16] <wallyworld> axw: pr lgtm, we'll need to ensure CI tests are updated etc
[07:18] <axw> wallyworld: thanks. CI should add a test for migrate & kill-controller, I think everything else is covered
[07:18] <wallyworld> axw: i was thinking specifically of verifying folder structure etc
[07:19] <axw> wallyworld: ok. I don't know what we normally test in that regard, but seems reasonable
[07:19] <wallyworld> yeah, especially since it's a user facing artefact we are relying on
[08:23] <axw> wallyworld: I've made a small change so that the upgrade step no longer removes the old metadata. it causes an error when the value is empty
[08:23] <axw> (despite what the docs suggest...)
[08:24] <wallyworld> ok
[08:24] <wallyworld> i doubt it will matter much in practice
[08:25] <axw> wallyworld: just a little messy, no big deal
[08:25] <axw> nobody sees it anyway
[08:25] <wallyworld> yep
[08:33] <mattyw> who's ready for a question?
[08:33] <mattyw> wallyworld, you for example?
[08:33] <ashipika> o/ ;)
[09:54] <jam> anyone around that can look at https://github.com/juju/txn/pull/28
[09:55] <jam> wpk: ^^ its not your area but maybe you'd like exposure :)
[09:55] <jam> I was hoping wallyworld or axw might still be around
[09:55] <axw> jam: I am but need to go pick kids up from my mother in law's
[09:55] <jam> oh sure, play the mother-in-law card :)
[09:56] <jam> axw: np
[09:56] <axw> jam: if I get a chance I'll look later on
[09:56] <jam> it is small
[09:56] <jam> its a bug that hasn't landed in juju-core proper yet, cause I was testing it before landing
[09:56] <jam> but lack of testing in juju/txn
[09:56] <axw> jam: yeah that's trivial, I can review now
[09:57] <axw> jam: LGTM
[10:07] <joedborg> Quick juju question - will 2.2 have the same behaviour as 2.1.2 in terms of not automatically bridging interfaces?
[10:23] <rick_h> joedborg: yes, the behavior will be the same as far as I'm aware. You'll need to specify interfaces you want setup on containers.
[10:23] <joedborg> cheers rick_h!
[10:41] <babbageclunk> axw: ping?
[10:41] <babbageclunk> or menn0: ping?
[10:42] <menn0> babbageclunk: hi (not working though)
[10:42] <babbageclunk> menn0: just a really quick question, promise
[10:43] <menn0> babbageclunk: ok
[10:43] <babbageclunk> menn0: It seems like units on a machine could be bound to different spaces?
[10:45] <babbageclunk> menn0: But then wouldn't they have different public addresses? Or is only one space able to have public addresses?
[10:46] <babbageclunk> menn0: the code only supports (zero or) one public address for the machine and unit.PublicAddress() just delegates to the machine, so I guess I'm wrong.
[10:47] <menn0> babbageclunk: AFAIK they could have different public addresses
[10:47] <menn0> babbageclunk: i'm not sure, but I think the idea of single public address was a overly simplisitic idea which I think we're moving away from
[10:47] <babbageclunk> menn0: Hmm.
[10:48] <menn0> jam would know better
[10:48] <babbageclunk> menn0: ok, thanks.
[10:48] <menn0> machine/unit.PublicAddress() is probably problematic
[10:48] <babbageclunk> menn0: I just realised jam would be the person to ask.
[10:49] <menn0> and it's his afternoon so hopefully he's about or will be back soon
[10:50] <babbageclunk> menn0: yeah, good call - sorry to distract you! Thanks for confirming that there's probably something fishy going on there, anyway.
[10:50] <menn0> babbageclunk: no worries - don't work too late :)
[10:50] <babbageclunk> menn0: no, I'm about to crash out (or get shanghaied by a baby)
[10:54] <babbageclunk> jam: I'm probably going to have to drop soon, but if/when you see this any insights would be welcomed!
[11:06] <jam> babbageclunk:
[11:06] <jam> if you're around, I can join a HO or we can IRC
[11:07] <jam> was just on a phone call
[11:07] <babbageclunk> jam: hey - still here, let's hangout!
[11:08] <jam> babbageclunk: https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/afternoon-jam?authuser=1
[11:35] <babbageclunk> jam: you froze
[11:36] <jam> yeah, brb
[11:37] <jam> trying to reconnect
[21:02] <thumper> anastasiamac: coming...
[21:02] <thumper> just restarting chrome
[22:47] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: around?
[22:47] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: i am, but am waiting to head into a meeting
[22:48] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: ok, I'll grab you after.
[22:48] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: was it a quick question?
[22:49] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: maybe (or else it can be something to distract you in a boring meeting) - are you sure that a unit won't enter scope until it's assigned?
[22:49] <babbageclunk> (to a machine)
[22:49] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: there's code in the ingress address watcher that suggests otherwise, although I'm not sure whether that's defensive coding.
[22:49] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: i thought i was sure yes
[22:50] <wallyworld> it's defensive
[22:51] <babbageclunk> ok - needing to handle that would make the stuff I'm doing quite a bit fiddlier (I think)
[22:51] <wallyworld> yeah
[22:53] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: oh, one more quick one - the IAWatcher maintains a set of addresses (as the current output) and the known map (unit -> address) in sync. I'm tempted to generate the former from the latter when it's needed - is there any problem with that?
[22:54] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: I'll get the tests passing the way it is and do the change in a separate commit to see if that breaks anything.
[22:54] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: not really, given the size of the lists etc, should be ok
[22:55] <babbageclunk> cool cool
[22:55] <babbageclunk> thanks
[22:55] <wallyworld> nw
[23:19] <cmars> is there something in juju that can tell me the OS name (not series) of a machine? like "ubuntu" instead of "trusty", "windows" instead of "win2008somethingsomething", etc.?
[23:19] <cmars> by something i mean go function in juju/juju/...
[23:25] <cmars> aha, juju/utils/series.GetOSFromSeries
[23:42] <hml> anastasiamac: ty, i forgot about adding the pr to the bug
[23:42] <anastasiamac> hml: nps :)


[00:15] <carmack> Hey folks, I am having an issue installing chrome on my Nvidia Jetson Xavier NX. When I try to install, I get an error on journalctl saying "mount: /snap/chromium/1933: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop9, missing codepage or helper program, or other error.
[00:15] <carmack> Mar 25 17:06:58 desktop kernel: squashfs: SQUASHFS error: Filesystem uses "lzo" compression. This is not supported"
[00:16] <carmack> nvidia@reanard-desktop:~$ snap --version
[00:16] <carmack> snap    2.54.4
[00:16] <carmack> snapd   2.54.4
[00:16] <carmack> series  16
[00:16] <carmack> ubuntu  20.04
[00:16] <carmack> kernel  4.9.253-tegra
[00:16] <carmack> ~$ snap --version
[00:16] <carmack> snap    2.54.4
[00:16] <carmack> snapd   2.54.4
[00:16] <carmack> series  16
[00:16] <carmack> ubuntu  20.04
[00:16] <carmack> kernel  4.9.253-tegra
[00:18] <carmack> Have you seen this before?
[22:17] <murthy> the latest chromium snap's icon is not getting displayed on kde neon user edition iso


[13:37] <LinDol> hi all
[22:40] <mephux> wiki.ubuntu.com is the slowest site ..
[23:28] <boax> hello
[23:29] <boax> the recent version of gnome in 15.04 causes a critical error on some machines that makes these machines somewhat unusable
[23:29] <boax> the Xorg server is crashing
[23:29] <boax> http://pastebin.com/9K0W1NwU
[23:30] <boax> based on those forum posts here we know now, that its a gnome 3.14 bug: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=194819


[06:24] <didrocks> morning
[06:47] <pitti> Good morning
[06:48] <pitti> didrocks: we should discuss that in #d-s today -- if sEcuRe isn't around any more, I'm fine with pushing the patch to Debian
[06:49] <pitti> didrocks: we can upload it to Ubuntu then, the main problem is that it won't go to unstable/testing any more
[06:49] <pitti> didrocks: invoke-rc.d is sysvinit, I can't commit there; but again, meh freeze
[06:50] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, I did a minimal fix in ubuntu at least as the case of upgrading upstart-only jobs under systemd can be common until everything is transitioned
[06:51] <pitti> didrocks: yeah, that's an Ubuntu specific problem (in practice), so we can carry a patch for that in Ubuntu; I'm fine with that
[06:51] <didrocks> pitti: I did mark it clearly that this can be removed once systemd transition done (so after next LTS)
[07:10] <didrocks> pitti: I think if the deb-systemd-invoke is acked, I'll distro-patch the invoke-rc.d in ubuntu then (as the deb-systemd-invoke patch itself won't be enough)
[07:11] <pitti> didrocks: sounds ok; especially since we can drop them again at some point
[07:11] <pitti> didrocks: but I'd like to keep at least init-system-helpers in sync, so let's wait for some response in #d-s, and at some point just commit it?
[07:12] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, clearly, this can be done safely once we remove the upstart job
[07:12] <didrocks> pitti: sure
[07:12] <pitti> (we don't need to upload to Debian right away, just stage the patch)
[08:18] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:21] <TheMuso> Hey willcooke. :)
[08:22] <willcooke> o/
[08:22] <TheMuso> And hello to everybody else
[08:22] <didrocks> morning willcooke, hey TheMuso
[08:24] <seb128> hey didrocks TheMuso willcooke
[08:24] <didrocks> re seb128
[08:34] <mlankhorst> morning
[08:34] <seb128> hey mlankhorst
[08:36] <ochosi> hey seb128
[08:36] <ochosi> and good morning
[08:36] <seb128> hey ochosi, how are you?
[08:36] <mlankhorst> hello
[08:36] <ochosi> seb128: doing fine, enjoying the snow outside in the city (rare thing sort of)
[08:36] <ochosi> and yourself?
[08:39] <mlankhorst> what snow :P
[08:39] <mlankhorst> it's just cold and windy here!
[08:40] <larsu> morning!
[08:42] <didrocks> hey mlankhorst, ochosi, larsu
[08:43] <ochosi> mlankhorst: heh, i guess i'm luckier than you then ;)
[08:44] <ochosi> seb128: quick question, you said to take the bugreport about file-roller using headerbars in xubuntu upstream, are you currently patching it to work in unity without csd? (reference: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/file-roller/+bug/1408046)
[08:44] <seb128> ochosi, I'm good thanks
[08:44] <seb128> ochosi, yes we do
[08:44] <mlankhorst> it was great for operating a windmill last saturday :P
[08:45] <mlankhorst> so hopefully the wind will stay for this saturday too
[08:45] <ochosi> seb128: so shouldn't we do the same (i.e. add a distro-patch)?
[08:45] <seb128> ochosi, "we"?
[08:45] <seb128> I'm not part of the xubuntu team, it's up to you/them
[08:45] <ochosi> seb128: "we" == the royal we ;) jokes aside, i did mean the xubuntu team
[08:46] <seb128> lol
[08:46] <seb128> the situation is suboptimal, we should maybe do !gnome-shell rather than = unity
[08:46] <seb128> at the same time it's the upstream UI, other desktop should complain to upstream
[08:46] <ochosi> yeah, that'd be nice
[08:47] <ochosi> i hope you don't mind me saying, but you're being a bit inconsistent with your distro-patches wrt CSD
[08:47] <ochosi> some are "if unity", others are "!gnome-shell"
[08:47] <ochosi> i'd prefer a consistent choice (and if it was up to me, that'd be 2) )
[08:52] <larsu> ochosi: feel free to open bugs about the 'if unity' ones
[08:53] <ochosi> larsu: that's what i (or "we", as in the xubuntu-team) was doing with file-roller ;)
[08:53] <ochosi> and i did the same for simple-scan
[08:58] <seb128> ochosi, yeah, we are inconsisty, it's because different people have different opinion on what should be done
[08:59] <seb128> like some feel like that we can decide for Unity but the "default experience" on other desktop should remain what upstream intends
[08:59] <seb128> and some feel like that csd are gnome-shell specific mostly
[09:03] <Laney> morning
[09:03] <Laney> I commented on a bug with robert_ancell about that and he pushed back
[09:03] <Laney> so there isn't even agreement in the team :/
[09:05] <ochosi> hm right, well for xubuntu we're mostly agreeing that for the apps we ship by default, we don't want csd
[09:05] <ochosi> our WM handles it fine now (at least with compositing enabled), but having a menu inside an app with csd looks out of place tbh
[09:05] <Laney> Is there a way out other than gtk getting a setting for this?
[09:06] <larsu> Laney: an xsetting
[09:06] <larsu> consensus seems to be "oh no, please not another xsetting"
[09:06] <ochosi> well, even if there is an xsetting, apps have to support it
[09:06] <larsu> right
[09:07] <Laney> so what then?
[09:07] <ochosi> while an xsetting is sort of "the big hammer", i think it's correct, cause it's the only thing that can sort of guarantee consistency
[09:07] <ochosi> (sort of, because it's still up to the app devs to support it)
[09:08] <Laney> the app always has to have code
[09:08] <larsu> I don't know. Doesn't seem worth the hassle tbh
[09:09] <ochosi> i mean for xubuntu, i guess the easiest is to add "|| if xfce" to your distro patches
[09:09] <Laney> then || the next one, then we decide we like header bars so let's upload everything again to change that
[09:10] <ochosi> heh, yeah, pretty much that );
[09:10] <larsu> we should just all switch to header bars!
[09:10] <ochosi> but tbh for xubuntu it's a bit out of the question at least until xfce is gtk3, and that's still far away
[09:10] <ochosi> so i think at least with us, it's a rather stable decision
[09:11] <ochosi> i vaguely remember kde folks being fairly unanimously against csd, have there been any talks with kubuntu devs?
[09:12] <larsu> not me. All I heard is that they want some weird hybrid approach
[09:12] <larsu> I don't know. It's pretty obvious to me that header bars are the way forward
[09:12] <ochosi>  /o\
[09:13] <larsu> e.g., by looking at other platforms
[09:13] <ochosi> yeah, but as long as there is no good way to handle menus (other than placing them directly underneath the headerbar) in the shell, it's less fun
[09:14] <Laney> ochosi: for file-roller, the next upload is going to be !shell btw
[09:15] <ochosi> Laney: oh thanks!
[09:15] <Laney> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/file-roller/ubuntu/view/head:/debian/patches/bz_unity_headerbar.patch#L108
[09:15] <Laney> that was already there
[09:16] <Laney> was hoping for some upstream reviews on my other patches to de-headerbar the dialogs
[09:16] <Laney> no luck yet
[09:16] <ochosi> oh
[09:16] <Laney> it's nice for dialogs because there is a setting there
[09:16] <larsu> Laney: de-headerbar?
[09:16] <ochosi> larsu: yeah, that's a word now ;)
[09:16] <Laney> GtkDialog has a use-header-bar property
[09:17] <larsu> which has multiple meanings to different people
[09:17] <larsu> (1) put buttons into the dialog's title bar
[09:17] <ochosi> Laney: yeah, i noticed that, there goes that option ppl might be looking for
[09:17] <larsu> (2) show a traditional title bar
[09:18] <larsu> by default, gtk shows still shows a header bar without buttons when the setting is false
[09:18] <larsu> becasue wayland
[09:18]  * larsu wonders if his patch changing that went upstream
[09:18] <Laney> uh
[09:18] <Laney> can't say I noticed that
[09:35] <willcooke> hey larsu, gtk3-samples - is that packaged for T?
[09:37] <larsu> willcooke: yes, as gtk-3-examples
[09:37] <willcooke> in the archive?
[09:37]  * willcooke must be doing something wrong
[09:38] <willcooke> I can see gtk3-engines-xfce
[09:39] <Laney> gtk-3-examples
[09:40] <willcooke> sigh
[09:40] <willcooke> thank you
[09:40] <larsu> :)
[09:40] <Laney> apt-file is useful for asking 'which package contains this file?'
[09:41] <willcooke> Being able to read is a pre-requisite, and that seems to be where I'm failing today
[09:41] <Laney> :P
[09:42]  * Laney is having some kind of IO death episode
[09:42] <Laney> linux doesn't like this much
[09:44] <willcooke> ok, next failure I have - the overlay scrollbars in the widget factory are still the unity ones.
[09:44] <willcooke> it really sucks to be me
[09:44] <willcooke> ;)
[09:44] <larsu> willcooke: it's not yet patched :)
[09:45] <seb128> well, our gtk version is too old for the new scrollbars
[09:45] <seb128> those are being added upstream in the current unstable cycle
[09:45] <willcooke> should I install a VM running Gnome desktop?
[09:48] <seb128> willcooke, you can try to install gtk from https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/ubuntu/testing
[09:48] <seb128> willcooke, he has a git version
[09:53] <willcooke> Hrm, sounds risky
[09:53] <willcooke> I dont want to break anything else
[09:53] <willcooke> maybe I'll install that in a VM
[09:54] <Laney> oh, huh, it's fstrim
[09:54] <Laney> how long is that supposed to take to run?
[09:56] <didrocks> Laney: few seconds, if it's the first time, I get it up to 5 minutes here
[09:56] <Laney> root     14618  0.3  0.0  19968  1860 ?        D    09:31   0:04              \_ /sbin/fstrim --all
[10:02] <mlankhorst> willcooke: I think I found the black screen issue with x11vnc, should be able to fix it at least, but I don't know if my fix will break anything :P
[10:02] <willcooke> :D
[10:14] <Laney> it finished ...
[10:22] <mlankhorst> willcooke: https://mblankhorst.nl/etc/Xmir updated version
[10:24] <mlankhorst> weird.. works on desktop but fails on phone still
[10:26] <willcooke> :/
[12:00] <willcooke> mlankhorst, would you expect glxgears to work on the phone?
[12:02] <willcooke> mlankhorst, also - the orientation seems to know which way round the phone is :D (but I assume you know that already)  ((e.g Xmir is running, I rotate the device and the Orientation message pops up to say which way round it is))
[12:04] <mlankhorst> not really
[12:04] <mlankhorst> willcooke: yeah but the problem is hooking up and resizing :P
[12:04] <willcooke> sure
[12:19] <mlankhorst> the rotation hint just says that the orientation should be changed, but that means I have to find a way to lie about it
[12:19] <willcooke> sounds like it could be quite processor intensive as well?
[12:21] <mlankhorst> not really
[12:21] <mlankhorst> it's mostly resizing the root window to have the rotated dimensions and then figuring out how to do a rotating blit to the mir surface
[12:27] <mlankhorst> first part is easy, second part probably too but it requires some thinking :p
[12:32] <willcooke> certainly no hurry for that
[12:32] <willcooke> feature
[12:47] <mlankhorst> ok it seems vncviewer sort of works now, but has some corruption
[12:50] <mlankhorst> oh vnc says why..
[12:50] <mlankhorst> 08/01/2015 13:47:30 XDAMAGE is not working well... misses: 201/229
[12:51] <willcooke> I tried with disabling xdamage in the vnc server
[12:51] <willcooke> still didnt work
[12:52] <willcooke> bah - and now when I'm running mirscreencast Xmir wont start
[12:52] <mlankhorst> hm the current Xmir binary works for me, sec..
[12:52] <mlankhorst> uploaded a new one to the same place
[12:53] <mlankhorst> but now mir crashed on me, sigh :p
[12:54] <willcooke> ha!
[12:54] <willcooke> it's a whack-a-mole
[12:54] <mlankhorst> naw, mir never was that reliable for me
[12:55] <willcooke> oh, I've run out of space
[12:55] <mlankhorst> apt-get clean
[12:56] <willcooke> bit better
[12:56] <willcooke> perhaps I need to write my screencasts somewhere else :)
[12:56] <willcooke> hum
[12:56] <willcooke> android cache looks like
[12:58] <willcooke> yay - crashed Mir too
[12:58] <willcooke> hehe because I used up all the space
[12:59]  * willcooke goes looking for an sd card
[13:09] <mlankhorst> hm was seeing some random corruption in vnc where the window should be
[14:01] <mlankhorst> D/libEGL  (14296): glTexParameteri(GL_TEXTURE_2D, GL_TEXTURE_MAX_LEVEL_APPLE, GL_POINTS);
[14:01] <mlankhorst> W/MALI    (14296): _gles_set_error:82: [WARNING]Mali GLES errorcode: 500
[14:04] <mlankhorst> oh I hate you, looking it up made me find my black screen bug..
[14:04] <willcooke> \o/
[14:05] <mlankhorst> caused by calling glamor_enable_dri3
[14:05] <mlankhorst> which causes glamor_egl_create_argb8888_based_texture to be called, which was never expected to succeed
[14:06] <mlankhorst> hm no it should work..
[14:06] <mlankhorst> through the fallback
[15:06] <ochosi> larsu: remember that odd thing about transmission using gtkimagemenuitems?
[15:07] <ochosi> i have a really hard time finding the relevant pieces in the code that refer to that...
[15:07] <ochosi> at least upstream there doesn't seem to be a reference to gtkimagemenuitems at all
[15:08] <ochosi> all seems to be regular menuitems in the transmission-ui.xml
[15:08] <ochosi> really odd
[15:12] <ochosi> larsu: ^
[15:14] <mlankhorst> willcooke: I've uploaded a new version to my webserver that seems to work correct with vncviewer. However there is still a problem with upload/download region :P
[15:19] <larsu> ochosi: weird, no clue. How are they constructing their menu bar? With GtkUiManager?
[15:25] <willcooke> mlankhorst, coolio, I'll give it a whirl
[15:25] <mlankhorst> so if you get random memory corruption that's probably why..
[15:25] <willcooke> :)
[15:26] <willcooke> I cant get mirscreencast to play nice at all, it's just recording a static dash
[15:26] <willcooke> bah
[15:26] <larsu> dash is enough, it's the most important thing
[15:27] <popey> willcooke: you converting it to some other format afterwards?
[15:27] <Laney> flick book
[15:27] <willcooke> popey, not tried that yet - since there's nothing to see
[15:27] <popey> how do you know until you convert it?
[15:27] <willcooke> popey, I recored it, copied it over to my machine, play it back and then sad face
[15:27] <popey> What you playing it with?
[15:27] <willcooke> mencoder
[15:27] <willcooke> what else?!
[15:28] <willcooke> it plays fine
[15:28] <popey> ok
[15:28] <willcooke> that's why I asked about the socket, I wonder if I'm recording the wrong thing
[15:28] <popey> every frame the same?
[15:28] <willcooke> ya
[15:28]  * popey tries here
[15:29]  * willcooke loves sshing in to the phone and writing bash scripts.  It's really nice
[15:29] <willcooke> I feel like my phone is now more of a computer and less of an Imgur access device
[15:29] <popey> Yes, I too am a nerd.
[15:30] <willcooke> if I can rsync, and wake the phone up remotely I will be sorted
[15:30] <popey> willcooke: how do you play it, just "mencoder mir_screencast_540x960_66.58Hz.rgba" ?
[15:30] <willcooke> mplayer -demuxer rawvideo -rawvideo fps=15:w=540:h=960:format=rgba screencast.raw
[15:30] <popey> k
[15:30] <willcooke> (set fps as appropriate)
[15:31]  * popey waits for the bits to slowly make their way over usb
[15:31] <willcooke> oh, I'm running vivid - I wonder if thats got anything to do with it
[15:31] <willcooke> (on my device|)
[15:32] <willcooke> does the SDK give access to the LEDs directly?
[15:32] <popey> dont think so
[15:32] <mlankhorst> you can touch them through sysfs probably
[15:32] <popey> well, something must
[15:32] <mlankhorst>  /sys/class/leds
[15:32] <willcooke> oooooooooooh
[15:33] <willcooke> sweet
[15:33] <willcooke> NO! Must not get distracted
[15:33] <mlankhorst> You can have 8 bits for brightness for the blue red and green :P
[15:34] <popey> haha, works
[15:34] <willcooke> ha, nice
[15:34] <willcooke> popey, screencast or leds?
[15:34] <popey> leds
[15:34] <mlankhorst> of course nerds get distracted by flashy lights
[15:34] <popey> echoing 255 into /sys/class/leds/red/brightness
[15:34] <popey> balls, stuck on now ☻
[15:35] <popey> could use this as a data transfer method between phones :D
[15:35] <willcooke> ??
[15:35] <willcooke> oh, via the camera?
[15:35] <willcooke> ha
[15:35] <popey> point camera at LED, flash LED like a sinclair loading thing
[15:35] <willcooke> ohhh, does the flash work on the camera?
[15:35] <popey> yes
[15:35] <willcooke> I wonder if there is a gpio for it
[15:36] <willcooke> then you could write a morse tx-er
[15:36] <willcooke> and an rx-er
[15:36] <popey> willcooke: I only get first frame on my video too
[15:36] <popey> shows whatever was on screen at start of video
[15:36] <willcooke> ah ha!
[15:36] <willcooke> good
[15:36] <willcooke> it's not me then
[15:38] <willcooke> mlankhorst, can haz vnc
[15:38] <willcooke> mlankhorst, \o/
[15:38] <willcooke> thanks
[15:38] <mlankhorst> good, I'm trying to figure out how glamor_upload/download_boxes works
[15:43] <willcooke> ah yes - getting some weird artefacts with LO now
[15:43] <mlankhorst> I was having them before too, might be related to that
[15:44] <willcooke> kk
[15:45] <mlankhorst> I need to do some magic on monday, should be easy
[15:46] <willcooke> thx#
[15:46] <mlankhorst> uploaded the same version to my ppa
[15:47] <mlankhorst> enjoy!
[15:47] <willcooke> thanks mlankhorst have a great weekend
[16:02] <ochosi> larsu: yeah, seems like it: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/transmission/trunk/view/head:/gtk/transmission-ui.xml
[16:13] <seb128> qengho, hey, is bug #1378627 on your list/something you look at?
[16:13] <seb128> it's the most reported issue on 14.10
[16:14] <seb128> by quite some margin
[16:14] <larsu> ochosi: maybe ui manager creates image menu items for some reason?
[16:14]  * larsu checks
[16:18] <willcooke> I'll ask Ryan too
[16:18] <willcooke> oh
[16:18] <willcooke> *cough*
[16:18] <willcooke> desrt, incoming ^^
[16:19] <larsu> ochosi: indeed, it does. Actions seem to have GtK_TYPE_IMAGE_MENU_ITEM by default: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/tree/gtk/deprecated/gtkaction.c?id=c6fc30721c35c3aec4b2d1cd512049821d5de984#n227
[16:37] <ochosi> larsu: meh, that really blows. so where would i start fixing anything? (and yeah, obviously shotwell has the same problem)
[16:37] <qengho> seb128: Yes, next release will have that fixed.
[16:38] <seb128> qengho, great, when is that due?
[16:38] <qengho> seb128: I'll put something up for testing soon, and I think next upstream should be about two weeks away, at most.
[16:39] <larsu> ochosi: turn off menus-show-images or whatever the setting is called.
[16:39] <seb128> qengho, great, thanks
[16:39] <larsu> ochosi: imo, we should just get rid of it. I don't know of anyone who thinks having icons on every menu item is a good idea
[18:37]  * desrt discovers socat
[20:27] <attente_> hi, having some trouble getting unity-greeter running. it exits on launch, this is my x-0-greeter.log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9694751 can't even get a vt going
[20:33] <robru> hey desktoppers, can I get somebody to add ~ci-train-bot to https://launchpad.net/~unity-settings-daemon-team/+members#active please? it's needed for silo 15 to merge (seb128?)