 https://blog.qt.io/blog/2018/02/13/qt-5-10-1-released/
 Finally! Will work on it in Debian this week
 (Sticker, 392x512) http://vps.tsimonq2.net//file_3803
[16:05] <gpunk> hi
[16:05] <acheronuk> though it can be quiet in here
[16:05] <gpunk> I installed qt*-examples but they still dont show in qtcreator


[08:25] <santa_> good morning everyone
[08:26] <santa_> RikMills: FYI, I have pushed the new WIP upstream sigs supports feature to a separate branch named 'upstream-sigs'
[08:27] <santa_> (disabled by default for now)
[08:36] <santa_> s/supports/support/
[12:01] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
 https://twitter.com/kdecommunity/status/1442549491664621571
[18:44] <santa_> RikMills: I got a mail requesting the backports of a couple of knewstuff patches
[18:45] <santa_> if you can't I could have a look later today
[19:10] <RikMills> santa_: knewstuff?
[19:11] <RikMills> if so, the fix is one commit. the 1st [1] commit linked is the one where the error was introduced, which is fixed by the [2]
[19:12] <RikMills> on the email I saw anyway
[19:13] <RikMills> I should have time to do some backporting of other fixes tomorrow, but please work on whatever you wish if you have time today
[19:35] <santa_> RikMills: yes, indeed, it's one patch
[19:36] <santa_> I will prepare something in _staging if I have some time tonight


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[08:56] <keesj> I have about the same problem as kysucix. I need to control system scripts
[08:56] <keesj> and need to do stuff initctl can do
[08:56] <keesj> the pain is that libnih and the upstart libs are gpl so I can not even write my own initctl using the nih libs
[08:57] <keesj> in ubuntu 8.10 there is not even a libnih
[09:13] <Keybuk> why can't you write your own initctl?
[09:15] <Keybuk> you can link to gpl libraries from gpl applications just fine
[09:21] <keesj> I am not writing a gpl app
[09:21] <keesj> making the libs lgpl would really help
[09:22] <Keybuk> *shrug*
[09:22] <Keybuk> then I have no interest in helping you
[09:22] <Keybuk> if you do not want to contribute your source code
[09:22] <Keybuk> then don't touch mine
[09:22] <Keybuk> the libraries are GPL for a reason
[09:24] <keesj> dont' start the lame gpl story. If I am on this channel its because my company tries to use upstart.
[09:24] <keesj> and it 's not because I am writing closed code that I can not help people
[09:24] <keesj> just like I did no this channel many times
[09:25] <Keybuk> you can write as much closed code as you like
[09:25] <Keybuk> you just can't link to my code
[09:25] <Keybuk> I am happy that inconveniences you
[09:26] <Keybuk> I spent a lot of time and effort on my code
[09:26] <keesj> Well you should not.
[09:26] <Keybuk> and its open for all to use
[09:27] <Keybuk> it's frankly insulting that you want to benefit from it commerically without opening your code in return
[09:28] <keesj> I spend a lot of time on upstart and having ideas. if you can't value that.  or don't value other good your are probably thinking to much of open-source as a software only thing
[09:28] <Keybuk> I'm not talking about having ideas, or helping out here
[09:28] <Keybuk> that's more than welcome
[09:28] <keesj> it about people. I am really shocked that you don't value whay I do
[09:28] <Keybuk> I'm only talking about you asking me to lgpl the libraries
[09:28] <Keybuk> which is only a software thing
[09:30] <Keybuk> my code is open
[09:30] <keesj> I am asking you to understand that upstart like any ohter open-source thing need people can companies behind it. and I represent such a company.
[09:30] <Keybuk> and free for you to modify, derive and link as you see fit
[09:30] <Keybuk> *provided* that you open yours in return
[09:32] <Keybuk> if your company isn't willing to open its code, then I don't see that as backing upstart's code development
[09:32] <Keybuk> obviously you can help in other ways
[09:32] <keesj> that why lgpl exist .I did not have much needs to modify upstart. it works quite well out of the box (the 0.3.* series)
[09:33] <Keybuk> but I'm not interested in a company making commercial derivatives or taking private benefit from my code
[09:34] <keesj> I can only help and am only interested in upstart because we want to use it. that is WHY is am here. no matter what I do with it. and apparently you have no way of showing that you value that in code :P
[09:35] <Keybuk> I only value code I have the same rights to as code you clearly value
[09:35] <Keybuk> (or more rights to :p)
[09:35] <Keybuk> code that I'm not allowed to see is inherently uninteresting
[09:35] <Keybuk> code that improves my work, that I'm not allowed to see, is ... well, insert rude words here
[09:36] <keesj> the result of this disc doesn't really matter (almoost flame stuff).
[09:37] <Keybuk> I don't see this as a flame
[09:37] <keesj> I did not modify your code. but I want to listen to upstart events from my closed system and that is apparenly aksing to much
[09:38] <Keybuk> yes, your closed system benefits from, and is improved by, upstart
[09:38] <Keybuk> but we, in return, can't benefit from and be improved by your system
[09:38] <Keybuk> because it's closed
[09:38] <Keybuk> this is unfair
[09:39] <keesj> that part is unfair yes. but that is not the whole story
[09:39] <Keybuk> as far as the code and licence goes, that is the *entire* story
[09:40] <keesj> you one yout hand will get "upstart is used in blabla". Me who at least tried to help in thinkgs about upstart. me helpin people on irc. and somebody else using your system and giving feedback
[09:41] <Keybuk> honestly, and I'm sorry if this sounds conceited, but:
[09:41] <Keybuk> between Ubuntu, Fedora and RHEL; I have probably 20-25 million users of Upstart
[09:41] <Keybuk> that's such a large level, I could never possibly hope to receive all the feedback
[09:42] <Keybuk> so additional users are nice, but not something I really seek
[09:42] <Keybuk> my goal is to have it adopted by the major Linux distributions
[09:42] <Keybuk> and that's really the end of my goal
[09:43] <keesj> what I see is 3 user cases , 1 coder and a few developers
[09:43] <Keybuk> it's nice to hear about people trying to use it for other things (hi, Cisco!) but they're so far off my radar, it's not something I worry about
[09:43] <keesj> it an enrightment
[09:44] <Keybuk> yeah
[09:44] <Keybuk> that's 2 use cases too many ;)
[09:45] <keesj> Well I am in the embedded PND world
[09:45] <Keybuk> Post Natal Depression?
[09:45] <Keybuk> (that's the only expansion of that tla I know)
[09:46] <keesj> Portable navigation devices
[09:46] <Keybuk> GPS units?
[09:47] <keesj> I wonder what upstart version maemo will be using...
[09:47] <keesj> yes GPS
[09:48] <Keybuk> keesj: I don't know, they've never even been in touch to say that they would be using it
[09:48] <Keybuk> I found out because someone showed me a slide from a presentation
[09:48] <Keybuk> I guess bugs or patches will land in due course
[09:48] <Keybuk> (or it works perfectly, which I'd be surprised about, because I'm pretty sure our arm build threw a nut)
[09:49] <keesj> arm builds work just fine
[09:49] <keesj> I did not check on ubuntu mobile lately
[09:50] <Keybuk> BAD: wrong content in file 0x2a0401e0 (output), expected 'foo [#1000] (start) waiting
[09:50] <Keybuk> ' got 'test: foo [#1000] main process killed by SEGV signal
[09:50] <Keybuk> '
[09:50] <Keybuk> 	at tests/test_initctl.c:874 (test_start_action).
[09:50] <Keybuk> /bin/sh: line 4:  9780 Aborted                 ${dir}$tst
[09:50] <Keybuk> FAIL: test_initctl
[09:51] <Keybuk> we're still waiting for porting boxes, so haven't had a chance to look at it yet
[09:51] <Keybuk> \o/ for test suites
[09:54] <Keybuk> of course, it should be noted that you communicate with Upstart 0.5.0 onwards through D-Bus
[09:55] <Keybuk> so you don't need the library to link to talk to it
[09:55] <Keybuk> the D-Bus library licence is more liberal than the GPL
[09:57] <keesj> http://www.paste-it.net/public/u31bbbc/
[09:58] <keesj> this is what the output of initctl list looks like under qemu-arm
[09:59] <keesj> (0.5) that is , I was under the impression that this was just a bug
[09:59] <keesj> but apparently you are saying that initctl list (or status) looks nicer under x86?
[10:00] <keesj> or is tat 0.3.9
[10:00] <Keybuk> the _5f bit?
[10:00] <Keybuk> that's a bug
[10:01] <keesj> a known one?
[10:02] <Keybuk> yeah
[10:02] <Keybuk> casey just outputs bits of dbus object paths there
[10:02] <Keybuk> and doesn't convert them back into names
[10:02] <Keybuk> (which, in all fairness, is because I didn't add the properties to the job objects)
[10:06] <Keybuk> right bed
[10:06] <keesj> :P
[20:37] <fbond> Hi.  When entering runlevel 2, an event is emitted.  Is an event emitted after the init scripts for that runlevel have finished executing?
[20:49] <fbond> I guess I can use "start on started rc2"?
[20:58] <notting> and then stopped
[21:02] <fbond> notting: Right, "stop on stopped rc2".
[21:02] <fbond> Or maybe "stop on stopping rc2" would be better...
[21:02] <fbond> Is there an upstart manual?


[07:07] <philballew> bkerensa, gonna watch mark shuttleworth keynote in 54 minutes?
[07:07] <bkerensa> heh
[07:07] <bkerensa> where?
[07:07] <bkerensa> link?
[07:08] <bkerensa> philballew: ^
[07:08] <philballew> http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/linuxcon-europe/live-video-streaming
[07:08] <bkerensa> k
[07:08] <philballew> bkerensa, link good?
[07:08] <philballew> you have to sign up so I said I was an ubuntu contributor
[07:08] <bkerensa> yep
[07:09] <bkerensa> he is likely just going to talk about Juju/WebApps and Mobile
[07:09] <bkerensa> I doubt it will be anything new
[07:10] <philballew> the keynote is called user experience
[07:10] <philballew> also, your currently talking to new the ca loco lead
[07:11] <bkerensa> philballew: ah enjoy that :)
[07:11] <bkerensa> philballew: who else got elected?
[07:11] <philballew> grant bowman and liz
[07:12] <bkerensa> :)
[07:12] <philballew> grant bowman is the best
[07:13] <bkerensa> he is a very cool dude
[07:13] <bkerensa> :D
[07:13] <philballew> hes a fedora ambassador as well. something I am looking into.
[07:14] <bkerensa> heh


[07:14] <zkriesse> hey scott_ev
[07:14] <zkriesse> scott_ev: How's it going my friend
[07:18] <zkriesse> wb scott_ev
[08:14] <zkriesse> hello strangeriam
[08:19] <strangeriam> oh, hello :-)
[08:19] <strangeriam> I think that's the /away
[08:20] <strangeriam> oops
[08:20] <zkriesse>  /away is the away command
[08:20] <strangeriam> I think that's the first time in years that I was greeted the second I got into the channel :-)
[08:20] <zkriesse> lol
[08:20] <zkriesse> I tend to do that
[08:20] <strangeriam> zkriesse: yea, two parallel thoughts at the same time
[08:20] <zkriesse> Lol
[08:21] <strangeriam> I was wondering about the akgraner offer to contribute to the UWN
[08:21] <strangeriam> how's that should work?
[08:21] <strangeriam> and maybe I should do this:
[08:23] <alourie> ok
[08:23] <alourie> now better
[08:23] <zkriesse> Well I'm not sure..
[08:23] <zkriesse> What did she tell you?
[08:27] <alourie> zkriesse: oh, nothing yet, I'm just following the blog post
[08:28] <zkriesse> Ah
[12:23] <akgraner> Hey all!
[12:23] <akgraner> How goes the day so far?
[12:24] <zkriesse> hey akgraner
[12:24] <akgraner> Has any one here ever used mail chimp?
[12:24] <zkriesse> Nada
[12:24] <zkriesse> What is it?
[19:30] <akgraner> hey all remember we have a News Team Meeting on Thursday at 2300UTC - I'll send to mailing list as well as the LP teams
[21:08] <zkriesse> halloo akgraner ma'am
[21:08] <akgraner> hey!
[21:08] <zkriesse> Hows your day
[21:08] <akgraner> what's up?  How are ya?  ps ma'am makes me feel old :-P
[21:08] <zkriesse> ok sorry
[21:09] <akgraner> no worries - I am teasing you a bit...
[21:09] <zkriesse> Eh I stayed up till 8 am and woke up at 1:30 so i'm doing ok
[21:09] <akgraner> I wish there was a way to express the light hearted conversation better
[21:09] <zkriesse> True
[21:11] <akgraner> woo hoo - just got the email that one of the talks I submitted to OLF was accepted  - happy dance \o/
[21:11] <zkriesse> nice
[21:12] <akgraner> I think so  - it's titled "Volunteer Vertigo and High Tech Hangovers" presented in a 12 step format
[21:12] <akgraner> I am excited
[21:13] <zkriesse> nice
[21:14] <akgraner> thanks!
[21:14] <zkriesse> :)
[21:14] <zkriesse> I'm stoked
[21:14] <zkriesse> in a few days i'm gonna be dog sitting my grandparents dog at their house while they go on a short trip
[21:15] <akgraner> oh that sounds fun!
[21:16] <zkriesse> it will be
[21:17] <akgraner> what kind of dog?
[21:21] <zkriesse> He's a German Shepard/rottweiler mix
[21:21] <zkriesse> The NICEST dog you'll ever meet
[21:22] <akgraner> awww
[21:22] <akgraner> also I have been contacted by a few more people about helping out with various sections
[21:23] <akgraner> so on Thursday for our meeting I would like to (as much as possible) confirm who will working on which sections and what that means
[21:23] <akgraner> we'll write all of it up during the meeting so that it can be sent out ASAP after the meeting ends
[21:25] <akgraner> I emailed - -news-team mailing list, Fridge Editors Team in LP, Ubuntu News Team in LP and UWN Team in LP - with the details - sorry if you are like me listed on all 4 lists as you got the same email 4 times - but I wanted to make sure we get maximum participation
[21:26] <zkriesse> ok
[21:26] <zkriesse> Well i'm not a fridge editor (yet) so...
[21:27] <akgraner> zkriesse, patience grasshopper :-P
[21:29] <zkriesse> I'm just sayin
[21:29] <zkriesse> lol
[21:32] <akgraner> lol
[21:56] <highvoltage> akgraner: whoohoo @ talk acceptance!
[21:57] <akgraner> highvoltage, thanks!
[21:57] <akgraner> I am excited  - I have to update the slides and work in some more interactive discussion  - but I think it will be a cool talk
[22:06] <Pendulum> hmm... I'm not sure if I'm in any of those teams
[22:06] <Pendulum> I probably should be
[22:08] <scott_ev> akgraner: sorry about Sunday
[22:08] <scott_ev> was sick again
[22:09] <scott_ev> I'll try to get it done during the week this week
[22:19] <akgraner> scott_ev, no worries - life happens  - I hope you are doing better