[00:03] <distort3d> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
[00:03] <distort3d> @    WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED!     @
[00:03] <distort3d> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
[00:03] <distort3d> IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY!
[00:03] <distort3d> :o
[00:08] <Guegs> I am getting some serious rendering issues with my ATI 5770 and Ubuntu.
[00:08] <Guegs> http://whatimg.com/images/87629794226427221228.png
[00:08] <Guegs> Does anybody have any ideas? I have the flgrx drivers installed.
[00:13] <distort3d> i want faster internet :(
[00:13] <distort3d> 26sec for 302 mb is still to slow :(
[00:13] <JackyAlcine> distort3d: !paste
[00:14] <JackyAlcine> !paste | distort3d
[00:14] <ubot2> distort3d: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[00:14] <distort3d> little late reaction, yes i know i have pastebinit
[00:38] <geirha> distort3d: Well that message means the host key has changed. Typically because the host has been reinstalled or the admin has specifically made a new one for whatever reason.
[00:41] <geirha> If you know that is what's happened, just remove the line in the file it mentions.
[00:41] <geirha> ~/.ssh/known_hosts
[01:14] <Guegs> Is there such a thing so I don't have to look at the God awful gnome boot manager screen which lets me choose between Ubuntu and Windows 7?
[01:15] <seidos> Guegs: s3 suspend
[01:15] <distort3d> delete ubuntu artwork :o
[01:17] <Guegs> Nevermind, found something  I think.
[01:17] <Guegs> http://lifehacker.com/5698095/burg+manager-easily-installs-a-slick+looking-dual+boot-startup-screen
[01:22] <holstein> ive seen several problems with burg
[01:22] <holstein> theres something to be said for the 'if it aint broke' philosophy
[01:23] <Guegs> I'm still searching about it. But It is just so fricken ugly haha.
[01:23] <holstein> eh, looks like text to me
[01:23] <holstein> and its just for a coupld seconds
[01:24] <holstein> here and there
[01:25] <gunndawg> hola amigos
[01:26] <Guegs> Hi gunndawg, how are you?
[01:26] <gunndawg> Guegs: doin good
[01:26] <Guegs> Thats good.
[01:27] <gunndawg> Finally done setting up IRSSI IRC client the way I want it, its pretty spiffy now
[01:27] <Guegs> xChat! \o/
[01:27] <Guegs> :P
[01:28] <gunndawg> Guegs: yeah I used to use Xchat but I really like irssi
[01:29] <holstein> irssi looks like grub ;)
[01:30] <distort3d> konversation ^^
[01:30] <gunndawg> holstein: well its a terminal based irc client. i have installed some addons to make it function and look better
[01:30] <holstein> im running irssi in screen
[01:30] <gunndawg> i have never used or installed 'screen'
[01:30] <holstein> give it a go
[01:31] <gunndawg> I never log off, so I dont really need it, lol
[01:31] <seidos> i like xchat, but irssi feels more robust to me
[01:31] <holstein> http://quadpoint.org/articles/irssi
[01:31] <holstein> i get it running on my server in screen
[01:31] <holstein> and i connect back in from where ever
[01:32] <gunndawg> I just dont understand "screen"
[01:32] <gunndawg> I will stick to using my laptop screen
[01:32] <gunndawg> :)
[01:32] <seidos> gunndawg: lies
[01:32] <gunndawg> seidos: yeah I hve a reason to lie about that
[01:33] <seidos> gunndawg: people lie for fun
[01:33] <gunndawg> seidos: ok well im not lying
[01:33] <seidos> gunndawg: you are a mystery sir
[01:33] <gunndawg> seidos: a mystery because I havent used "screen" ?
[01:36] <gunndawg> so anyways
[01:36] <johnny77> What is the benefit of using irssi over xchat?
[01:36] <gunndawg> johnny77: well I suppose it uses less system resources
[01:37] <gunndawg> johnny77: and if your a "power user" then you'll prefer the "terminal feel" so to speak
[01:37] <seidos> gunndawg: a mystery because you can write a front end to apt, but screen is not comprehended
[01:37] <gunndawg> seidos:  how is that a mystery? I know the python language syntax but I dont use a program called "screen" big deal
[01:37] <johnny77> ok, just curious. I've looked at it before, but am scared of terminal apps.
[01:37] <seidos> johnny77: i find irssi to be more robust.  i suspend notebook, and come back, and irssi just goes live again.  it doesn't even try connecting again...
[01:38] <seidos> gunndawg: never said it was a big deal
[01:38] <gunndawg> seidos: well its some huge mystery to you
[01:38] <seidos> johnny77: terminal apps are going to eat you!
[01:38] <seidos> gunndawg: never said huge
[01:38] <gunndawg> seidos: then quit acting like it is
[01:38] <seidos> mystery isn't a bad thing
[01:39]  * seidos shrugs
[01:39] <gunndawg> johnny77: you should give it a try
[01:40] <gunndawg> johnny77: with a few addons and tweaks you can really get it workin to your likings
[01:40] <johnny77> seidos: I've only been on Ubuntu for a few months, still fighting with the Windows mentality.
[01:40] <gunndawg> johnny77: I've only been on ubuntu for like 2 weeks
[01:40] <gunndawg> johnny77:  :)
[01:41] <seidos> johnny77: i've been away from windows for ~ 2 years now.  what's the windows mentality?
[01:41] <seidos> well, i've used it briefly here and there
[01:41] <gunndawg> seidos: windows mentality is basically the mentality to do things under the ways of microsoft
[01:42] <gunndawg> seidos: aka he probably still goes to the bottom left of his screen to look for a start menu ;)
[01:42] <johnny77> gunndawg: not that bad... just the idea of having access to the terminal, can play around with anything.
[01:43] <johnny77> In Window you let it do it's thing and not mess with anything.
[01:43] <gunndawg> johnny77: thats the beauty of it, you arent locked out of the system like in winblows :)
[01:43] <johnny77> gunndawg: I think you had a typo there. :)
[01:43] <gunndawg> johnny77: ;)
[01:44] <gunndawg> johnny77: you're right I meant to say "that's" ;)
[01:44] <gunndawg> jk
[01:45] <johnny77> I've played around with the different *Ubuntu. I really like being able to tweak stuff... more than one option for things.
[01:45] <gunndawg> johnny77: let me show you a screenshot of my setup to show you what I have done so far
[01:46] <gunndawg> johnny77: http://min.us/mve3uR
[01:46] <gunndawg> screenshotting is easier also, I was able to screenshot, save, upload and share in less than a min ;)
[01:47] <johnny77> gunndawg: is that gnome with docky?
[01:47] <gunndawg> johnny77: yes
[01:48] <johnny77> I'm also on a netbook so screen space is super important.
[01:48] <gunndawg> johnny77: I put docky into panel mode, instead of normal dock mode
[01:48] <Guegs> I am getting this error from the update manager.
[01:48] <Guegs> 'E:Type '“deb' is not known on line 59 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list'
[01:49] <gunndawg> johnny77: I am on a 15" laptop so screenspace is pretty important to me as well
[01:49] <johnny77> gunndawg: I've thought about trying docky, but it won't work with my window manager.
[01:49] <gunndawg> Guegs: did you try to google the error, or look at line 59 on sources.list to see if anything looks out of the norm ?
[01:50] <gunndawg> johnny77: you dont use gnome with ubuntu ?
[01:50] <Guegs> figured it out gunndawg. there are "" around the source for some reason.
[01:50] <Guegs> :S
[01:51] <johnny77> gunndawg: no, I use fluxbox with ubuntu.
[01:51] <gunndawg> johnny77: ah ok, I thought about fluxbox but decided against it
[01:52] <distort3d> http://imagebin.org/136497
[01:52] <johnny77> I've found it to work better with my smaller system.
[01:52] <gunndawg> johnny77: yeah probabl
[01:52] <johnny77> distort3d: that's pretty sweet.
[01:53] <johnny77> gunndawg: I gnome installed, but don't usually boot into it.
[01:53] <distort3d> thnx :-)
[01:55] <Guegs> how would i go about editing sources.list?
[01:55] <Guegs> i open it with a text editor and i can't
[01:55] <distort3d> nano
[01:55] <distort3d> vi
[01:55] <distort3d> gedit
[01:55] <distort3d> kate
[01:55] <distort3d> nvm
[01:56] <distort3d> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:56] <seidos> johnny77: i like fluxbox, but i'm using gnome right now
[01:56] <distort3d> gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:56] <Guegs> thanks
[01:58] <johnny77> seidos: the only thing that slightly bothers me about fluxbox is that I can't use things like docky. But it's simplicity and quickness far overweights that for me.
[01:58] <gunndawg> johnny77: but docky also makes things simple and quick ;)
[02:00] <seidos> johnny77: i would probably use fluxbox all the time if i could get the colors right
[02:01] <johnny77> gunndawg: I meant the speed of the software. It boots fast, runs programs fast. Not how quick I can get a do something.
[02:01] <gunndawg> Fluxbox is nice but the fact that I cant use some of my add ons makes me stay away from it, but its nice
[02:03] <johnny77> gunndawg: and that is ultimately why I love Ubuntu. There are just so many choices everyone can do exactly what they want.
[02:03] <distorted> kinda funny irssi :o
[02:05] <gunndawg> johnny77: thats very true
[02:05] <distorted> for a netbook irssi is kinda ok.
[02:05] <gunndawg> yeah
[02:06] <seidos> i had some bugs with xchat.  sometimes it wouldn't autojoin channels after connecting
[02:10] <zkriesse> seidos: That was the one version
[02:10] <gunndawg> seidos: what do you use? irssi ?
[02:10] <seidos> zkriesse: i tried multiple versions
[02:11] <seidos> gunndawg: i just started using irssi again
[02:11] <seidos> like a few days ago
[02:11] <Guegs> really seidos? xchat has always worked great for me.
[02:11] <gunndawg> seidos: did you see how I have mine set up? I have a lil space at the top for when people message/higlight me
[02:11] <seidos> Guegs: i have no idea why.  unlucky maybe.  i downloaded the source...but...yeah...that's enough about that.
[02:11] <gunndawg> seidos: so I can be in any channel and see when someone messages me from another chan
[02:11] <seidos> gunndawg: yeah, i had mine set up that way when i first tried irssi.  i don't really like it.
[02:12] <gunndawg> seidos: oh ok
[02:12] <seidos> gunndawg: i don't have enough people messaging me for me to need that
[02:12] <seidos> i just alt-x to whatever pm it is
[02:12] <seidos> gunndawg: but if i need it, it's nice to know it's there ;)
[02:13] <Guegs> If Green Bay blows this imma be so pissed.
[02:13] <gunndawg> seidos: indeed
[02:14] <seidos> Guegs: i'm looking for the cheese packers to win too
[02:15] <Guegs> I mean honestly I don't give a crap about the NFL. CFL all the way baby!
[02:16] <gunndawg> yeah I dont care for pro football
[02:16] <Guegs> But I would rather them then the Steelers.
[02:16] <gunndawg> I am more of a college football fan
[02:20] <distorted> pkill X
[02:20] <distorted> irssi is bad
[02:21] <gunndawg> distorted: explain
[02:21] <distort3d> it was in the middle of my small screen in the only terminal i had open
[02:22] <distort3d> its like 1024x600
[02:23] <distort3d> anyway if i remove networkmanager and nm-applet will that stop my network from starting up?
[02:26] <gunndawg> distort3d: why do you say IRSSI is bad ?
[02:26] <distort3d> its to big for my small screen.
[02:27] <crabbytag> distort3d: irssi?!
[02:27] <crabbytag> gunndawg: irssi is a fantastic client that works very well
[02:27] <crabbytag> gunndawg: I use it, and I endorse it wholly
[02:27] <gunndawg> crabbytag: yeah I know, I use it, :)
[02:27] <crabbytag> great :)
[02:27] <gunndawg> crabbytag: I have installed a few plugins for it as well
[02:27] <crabbytag> gunndawg: :)
[02:27] <distort3d> i need something smaller :P
[02:27] <crabbytag> distort3d: you know it's a command line client, right>?
[02:28] <gunndawg> distort3d: you cant get much smaller than a customizeable terminal
[02:28] <seidos> distort3d: ha
[02:30] <seidos> this is weird.  pkill -stop chromium stops the chromium-browser process, but pkill -stop chromium-browser does not o_o
[02:30] <seidos> i think my stupidity maybe infecting my notebook.  i better get away from it asap
[02:31] <seidos> hypothesis:  it's because chromium has multiple processes per tab
[02:31] <gunndawg> seidos: what are the specs of ur notebook ?
[02:31] <seidos> gunndawg: less than yours.  still care?
[02:32] <gunndawg> seidos: yeah I am curious
[02:32] <Cheri703> so my internal webcam has decided not to be found, I'm not sure why or what to do about it. any thoughts? I've reinstalled gstreamer, and cheese still doesn't find it, the light doesn't show up next to it, and it doesn't show up in gnome-device-manager
[02:33] <distorted> BitchX looks the same as irssi :|
[02:34] <holstein> distorted: weechat too
[02:34] <holstein> they will look like the terminal you run them in
[02:34] <distorted> awn terminal
[02:34] <holstein> you can change the font size in gnome-terminal
[02:35] <holstein> contol +
[02:35] <holstein> control + **
[02:35] <holstein> or control -
[02:35] <distorted> i destroyed gnome :o
[02:35] <holstein> whatever terminal
[02:35] <distorted> there is not much left
[02:35] <holstein> you can hit control alt F2
[02:35] <holstein> and run it there
[02:36] <holstein> you'll need to hit control alt F7 to get back
[02:36] <distort3d> good to know
[02:36] <holstein> Cheri703: i wouldnt worry with installing software
[02:36] <holstein> you likely have a driver support issue
[02:36] <holstein> you could try a differnen kernel
[02:36] <Cheri703> well, cheese runs off gstreamer, so figured I might as well
[02:36] <holstein> older/newer
[02:36] <Cheri703> JUST updated again, still no love, might try rolling back a few
[02:37] <distort3d> hmm ctrl alt + f7 rsult in crash
[02:37] <holstein> OR, look around for a backport module or something
[02:37] <holstein> Cheri703: do you see it listed
[02:37] <holstein> when you run the command
[02:37] <holstein> lspci
[02:37] <holstein> or lsusb
[02:37] <holstein> ?
[02:38] <holstein> distorted: im not sure what all is going on with your machine
[02:38] <holstein> if you say gnome is broken
[02:38] <holstein> or you broke it
[02:38] <holstein> maybe something has affected X as well?
[02:38] <Cheri703> holstein: nope
[02:38] <holstein> Cheri703: what is it?
[02:38] <holstein> the dvice
[02:38] <Cheri703> I tried pressing the key combo that would enable it, and ran lspci again, and no luck
[02:38] <Cheri703> not sure exactly, no video device listed though
[02:39] <holstein> Cheri703: yeah, thats a good place to start though
[02:39] <Cheri703> it's an internal camera, netbook
[02:39] <holstein> bios
[02:39] <holstein> Cheri703: right, what is it?
[02:39] <holstein> the netbook?
[02:39] <Cheri703> zareason teo
[02:42] <holstein> Cheri703: yeah, id double check the bios
[02:42] <gunndawg> Cheri703: tell him what kind of camera it is
[02:42] <holstein> maybe try a couple different verions of buntu live CD's
[02:42] <Cheri703> gunndawg: I DON'T KNOW what kind of camera it is
[02:42] <holstein> if you have them setting around
[02:42] <Cheri703> holstein: I checked the bios, no mention of camera, it's fairly sparse
[02:43] <holstein> Cheri703: looking online, it seems like folks report everything 'out of the box'
[02:43] <holstein> :/
[02:43] <Cheri703> it did
[02:43] <Cheri703> and now it doesn't
[02:43] <Cheri703> going to reboot to an older kernel, brb
[02:43] <holstein> OH yeah
[02:43] <holstein> thats plausible
[02:43] <holstein> if it used to work
[02:45] <SpaceDuck_> How can I move my close, minimize, maximize to the right and add the "shade" button to the left?
[02:46] <holstein> SpaceDuck_: check out http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/13535/move-window-buttons-back-to-the-right-in-ubuntu-10.04/
[02:46] <holstein> thats where you can do that
[02:46] <distorted> this looks so much better :-)
[02:47] <distorted> better then terminal
[02:47] <distorted> or its that same cli is terminal but bigger :-)
[02:51] <distorted> is a command line browser also handy like lynx?
[02:51] <holstein> if you dont have X
[02:51] <holstein> id say it would be quite handy
[02:52] <distorted> for the things i do with my netbook, do i basicly dont need a X system.
[02:53] <holstein> depends
[02:53] <distorted> i use it as a portable repo mirror :P
[02:53] <kristian-T40> distorted, elinks is nice to... and links
[02:53]  * seidos puts on some depends :D
[02:53] <holstein> i was thinking about trying that
[02:53] <seidos> Captain Underpants
[02:53] <gunndawg> seidos: you didnt tell me ur netbook stats!
[02:53] <holstein> theres a wicd-cli
[02:53] <holstein> or curses
[02:53] <gunndawg> seidos: mainly wanna know about your processor
[02:53] <kristian-T40> just starting up sylpheed for the first time... it won't change anything I have on the gmail server, I hope?
[02:54] <holstein> assume nothing, check the settings :)
[02:54] <seidos> gunndawg: sorry dude.  it was time for ^C
[02:54] <seidos> gunndawg: 1.47ghz duo core
[02:55] <gunndawg> seidos: ah ok, so you probably max ur CPU out then huh?
[02:55] <distorted> im on a atom 1.6ghz
[02:55] <seidos> gunndawg: not really.  i max out ram faster than cpu, and that's pretty rare
[02:55] <kristian-T40> holstein, true true, but kind of hart atm
[02:56] <gunndawg> seidos: oh wow, yeah I max my cpu pretty easily, just a few chromium tabs open with some flash media playing and it maxes pretty easily
[02:56] <kristian-T40> I just need someone to tell me it will all be OK ;)
[02:56] <holstein> lol
[02:56] <holstein> well, i can tell you that
[02:56] <holstein> no matter what, thats true :)
[02:57] <seidos> gunndawg: i never notice.  do you have a duocore?
[02:57] <seidos> gunndawg: it probably *could* be more efficient, but it doesn't effect usability so i don't care about it
[02:58] <seidos> gunndawg: ah, well, i don't really do the flash that much.  i have on tab of youtube open right now.  i stopped using pandora.  i am listening to music in totem
[02:58] <seidos> on=one
[02:58] <gunndawg> seidos: ah ok, yeah if I have enough tabs open and watch live streaming video like tv casts or what not, it usually pushes my CPU to 90% range, and higher
[02:59] <SpaceDuck_> holstein, thanks for the link that was just what I was looking for.
[02:59] <holstein> SpaceDuck_: :)
[03:00] <SpaceDuck_> Do you know what I need to put to enable window shades?
[03:00] <seidos> gunndawg: both cores?
[03:01] <seidos> gunndawg: how many tabs is "enough tabs".
[03:02] <gunndawg> seidos: I dont think I have a dual core
[03:03] <gunndawg> seidos: I could be wrong, but I think its single core
[03:03] <gunndawg> my system monitor has meters for CPU 0 and CPU 1
[03:03] <gunndawg> but both meters are the same always
[03:04] <gunndawg> if CPU 0 is 60% then CPU 1 is also 60% they are always the same, which makes me think its a single core
[03:04] <seidos> gunndawg: mine are the same too +- 3% it seems
[03:04] <gunndawg> seidos: see mine are ALWAYS the same, never are they different,
[03:04] <gunndawg> so I wonder whats up with that
[03:05] <seidos> gunndawg: me too
[03:06] <seidos> i need to exercise
[03:07] <gunndawg> yeah you do
[03:11] <tool88> any one here runing a nvidia7000m?
[03:12] <madsailor> hey gunndawg, how are ya?  you can check your processor info by running: cat /proc/cpuinfo in a terminal
[03:12] <holstein> SpaceDuck_: is that where you double click the bar
[03:12] <holstein> and it rolls up?
[03:12] <tool88> any one have trouble with twin view on a lap top
[03:13] <holstein> tool88: im running linux, of course ;O
[03:13] <holstein> tool88: which driver are you using?
[03:13] <holstein> the open one?
[03:13] <holstein> or the proprietary one?
[03:14] <tool88> im using the default one
[03:14] <holstein> theres your problem
[03:14] <tool88> but everytime i try and install the recommended one after reboot i have no gui
[03:15] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[03:15] <tool88> now my laptop screen has been busted for about 2 years now so ive been using a crt as my mainscreen
[03:15] <holstein> well, im not sure how 'recommended' it is
[03:15] <holstein> lets call it the 'other' one
[03:16] <holstein> tool88: when i did that, i forced the issue in the bios
[03:16] <tool88> the ones trough aditional driver app
[03:16] <tool88> i have a crappy acer nothing in the bios
[03:16] <holstein> hmmm
[03:16] <tool88> unless they have a hidden bios
[03:16] <holstein> id say, you'll need the proprietary one
[03:17] <holstein> for external monitor support
[03:17] <holstein> tool88: what kernel?
[03:17] <holstein> you dont run a -realtime kernel do you?
[03:17] <tool88> dont need the hardware eceleration just want my tv out
[03:17] <holstein> OH
[03:17] <holstein> tool88: tv out is different
[03:17] <tool88> not sure what you mean by that
[03:17] <holstein> i thought we were talking about VGA out
[03:18] <holstein> tv out may not ever work
[03:18] <tool88> yeah vga is what im using as my laptop screen is broken
[03:18] <holstein> tool88: there are some issues with the proprietary nvidia drivers and -realtime kernels
[03:18] <tool88> oh
[03:18] <holstein> IF thats the case
[03:18] <tool88> does ati work with tv out?
[03:18] <holstein> depends
[03:19] <holstein> in my experience
[03:19] <holstein> that can be the kind of thing that a kernel update can breack
[03:19] <holstein> break*
[03:19] <holstein> or fix for that matter
[03:19] <tool88> might pick up a desktop what will play nice with ubuntu that i will have tv out
[03:19] <holstein> or a TV with VGA in
[03:20] <holstein> that probably more like it
[03:20] <tool88> never thought of that
[03:20] <holstein> ive heard there are some cards with hdmi that is working well
[03:20] <holstein> not sure how you'd find that though
[03:20] <holstein> which is supported
[03:20] <tool88> what about vga to svideo or rca
[03:20] <holstein> tool88: in my experience
[03:21] <holstein> all of that is just not worth the hassle
[03:21] <tool88> oh ok
[03:21] <holstein> svideo is kinda meh
[03:21] <holstein> going VGA to svideo is actually kinda pricey
[03:21] <holstein> and still kinda meh
[03:21] <johnny77> Who was it that said they used irssi?
[03:21] <holstein> johnny77: o/
[03:21] <tool88> oh
[03:21] <holstein> vga in on the TV is ideal
[03:22] <holstein> hdmi *should* be nice
[03:22] <holstein> ive only seen a few
[03:22] <holstein> hdmi would actually be ideal i suppose
[03:22] <holstein> handles the audio too
[03:22] <tool88> yeah now to get a hd tv with hdmi
[03:22] <holstein> in theory
[03:22] <johnny77> holstein: I decided to download it to give it a try, why not, right? Can you help me set it up?
[03:22] <holstein> johnny77: sure
[03:22] <holstein> just fire it up
[03:22] <holstein> irssi
[03:22] <holstein> in a termianl
[03:22] <holstein> terminal*
[03:23] <johnny77> I got that part, but how to I connect?
[03:23] <holstein>   /connect
[03:23] <holstein> to whateer
[03:23] <holstein> whatever*
[03:23] <tool88> does sling box play nice?
[03:24] <holstein>   /connect chat.freenode.net
[03:24] <holstein> ^^ i think thats right
[03:24] <holstein> http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml
[03:24] <holstein> johnny77: you can make an auto-join file
[03:24] <holstein> a script
[03:24] <holstein> that just does everything for you
[03:24] <holstein> when you launch
[03:24] <holstein> and i havent done it manually in a while :)
[03:24] <holstein> tool88: mine did OK
[03:25] <holstein> the player
[03:25] <holstein> in wine
[03:25] <holstein> kinda
[03:25] <holstein> i wont buy another one
[03:25] <holstein> i bought it pre-linux
[03:25] <tool88> oh
[03:25] <johnny77> ok, let me look in the documentation for a minute to see if I can fingure out the script. If I can't, will you be able to help?
[03:26] <holstein> johnny77: i can probably find the guide i used
[03:26] <holstein> or let you see my config
[03:26] <holstein> most of it
[03:27] <holstein> johnny77: try just /connect though
[03:27] <holstein>  /connect
[03:27] <holstein> http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml
[03:27] <holstein>   /connect chat.us.freenode.net
[03:27] <holstein> for example
[03:28] <holstein> then /j #ubuntu-beginners
[03:28] <holstein> alt + 1
[03:28] <holstein> that will be the first 'window'
[03:28] <holstein> alt + 2 the second
[03:28] <holstein> so on
[03:29] <johnny77> holstein: can I make the user list verticle?
[03:29] <holstein> jdmcclung: :)
[03:29] <holstein> hmmm
[03:29] <holstein> johnny77: pretty much
[03:29] <holstein> you can do whatever you want
[03:29] <holstein> do i remember how ?
[03:30] <holstein> no :/
[03:30] <holstein> i had the user list off
[03:30] <jdmcclung> ok, i'll look around.
[03:30] <holstein> i just run the command /names
[03:30] <holstein> jdmcclung: /help
[03:30] <holstein> is a good start
[03:30] <holstein> let me see if i can find that link..
[03:31] <jdmcclung> holstein: thanks, I'll poke around to see what I can figure out.
[03:31] <holstein> http://blog.dhampir.no/content/irssi-auto-connect-and-auto-identify
[03:31] <holstein> and http://carina.org.uk/screenirssi.shtml
[03:32] <holstein> jdmcclung: enjoy :)
[03:32] <jdmcclung> holstein: thanks again.
[04:00] <gunndawg> so what browser does everyone use? I am on Chromium
[04:00] <johnny77> chrome.
[04:00] <holstein> +1
[04:03] <gunndawg> regular chrome or chromium ?
[04:04] <johnny77> regular chrome. I know there is not much difference, but I picked it up in Windows then just started using it in Ubuntu when I switched.
[04:04] <johnny77> Not sure if I knew there was a chromium when I was in windows.
[04:04] <gunndawg> johnny77: oh ok, why did they make chromium then ? I am confused, i thought you couldnt use chrome in ubuntu and thats why they made chromium
[04:07] <johnny77> gunndawg: afaik chromium is the open source project behind the branded Google Chrome.
[04:07] <gunndawg> johnny77: ah right, ok
[04:07] <gunndawg> johnny77: I find it pretty awesome, havent had any issues with it
[04:09] <johnny77> gunndawg: No issues here either. I love the universal bar. Search, web same place... it jsut makes it easier.
[04:09] <gunndawg> johnny77: I meant no issues with chromium, you are using chrome
[04:10] <johnny77> yeah, I was just saying that I haven't had any with chrome.
[04:10] <gunndawg> oh ok
[04:11] <gunndawg> im wondering if I should be using chrome or chromium, lol
[04:11] <holstein> chromium is arguably easier to install
[04:12] <johnny77> holstein: because it is in the repositories, right?
[04:12] <holstein> yup
[04:12] <holstein> chrome is easy to though
[04:12] <johnny77> gunndawg: If you are using one, I would not see any reason to switch.
[04:13] <johnny77> holstein: how is it easier?
[04:13] <gunndawg> johnny77: yeah
[04:13] <gunndawg> I just wonder if chrome would use less CPU when I am using it
[04:13] <holstein> just because its already in th repos
[04:14] <seidos> gunndawg: i've used both, and i doubt it
[04:14] <gunndawg> seidos: alright
[04:14] <johnny77> holstein: sorry, I mis read something.
[04:15] <seidos> gunndawg: flash is inefficient.  videos in totem don't take 100% cpu.
[04:15] <seidos> not sure why it is
[04:15] <gunndawg> alright
[04:15] <gunndawg> as long as my CPU doesnt overheat then it isnt a problem that it runs 100%
[04:15] <gunndawg> thats what its for
[04:15] <seidos> gunndawg: do you use bit torrent?
[04:15] <gunndawg> seidos: no
[04:16] <seidos> gunndawg: what are you watching on...it was youtube wasn't it?
[04:16] <gunndawg> mostly youtube yeah
[04:16] <gunndawg> like right now im watching an embeded youtube video on pc-addicts.com
[04:16] <gunndawg> and im running about 85% - 90% cpu according to my system monitor
[04:17] <seidos> gunndawg: link me the video, so we can compare
[04:18] <gunndawg> http://pc-addicts.com/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=614
[04:20] <gunndawg> seidos: I've also got like 3 other tabs open, besides this one
[04:20] <seidos> gunndawg: what if you watch the youtube video on youtube's domain?
[04:20] <seidos> gunndawg: i'm at 36%
[04:20] <gunndawg> seidos: how many other tabs do you have open ?
[04:21] <seidos> gunndawg: 9 tabs
[04:21] <seidos> gunndawg: what's cpu utilization with out the youtube video open?
[04:21] <seidos> *without
[04:21] <seidos> gunndawg = flowerpup
[04:21] <gunndawg> with no browser open and just irssi its like 5% or so
[04:22] <gunndawg> some times 2% if nothing happends
[04:22] <seidos> gunndawg: so it's just this one tab
[04:22] <gunndawg> seidos: no, its any time I use flash embeded media
[04:22] <gunndawg> not JUST that one video
[04:25] <seidos> gunndawg: i don't think what we are saying is xor
[04:25] <Rubel> I have two Ubuntu server machines, running NFS, server on 8.04, client on 10.04. I followed the NFS4 Quckstart on the community docs, but after I mount a share from the server, I can't see any files on the client. The mount point directory is empty, even though it shows up when I 'df'. Any ideas what I could be doing wrong?
[04:25] <Rubel> (Here's the quickstart I followed: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo#NFSv4%20quick%20start )
[04:25] <gunndawg> seidos: what do you mean "xor" ?
[04:26] <seidos> gunndawg: mutually exclusive
[04:26] <gunndawg> seidos: I just went from 3% CPU and then opened up chromium and opened up a live broadcast on justin.tv and it went to 90%+
[04:26] <seidos> gunndawg: wait
[04:27] <seidos> Rubel: no ideas yet
[04:28] <Rubel> Thanks seidos...it's a puzzler.
[04:28] <seidos> gunndawg: what version of flash?
[04:29] <gunndawg> seidos: looks like flash player 10
[04:29] <seidos> gunndawg: 10.1 r102?
[04:30] <gunndawg> seidos: <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:30] <seidos> gunndawg: how are you checking?
[04:30] <gunndawg> seidos: thru the flash site
[04:30] <gunndawg> why is that part important ?
[04:31] <seidos> gunndawg: my method doesn't say ".65"
[04:35] <gunndawg> seidos: interesting
[04:35] <seidos> <IP_ADDRESS> appears to be the newest flash
[04:36] <seidos> on get.adobe.com/flashplayer
[04:36] <seidos> i'm trying to verify what i actually have installed
[04:36] <gunndawg> seidos: yeah, thats what I have
[04:37] <seidos> gunndawg: what does it say if you do about:plugins in chrome?
[04:37] <seidos> gunndawg: try firefox, try chromium.  same thing?
[04:38] <gunndawg> seidos: I am on chromium
[04:38] <gunndawg> and yeah firefox acted up as well if I remember correctly
[04:38] <gunndawg> lemme give it another try
[04:39] <seidos> gunndawg: ah, thought you were on chrome
[04:40] <gunndawg> seidos: yeah firefox cranks up the CPU usage as well
[04:40] <gunndawg> seidos: not quite as bad though
[04:41] <johnny77> good night y'all
[04:41] <gunndawg> night johnny77
[04:41] <seidos> dream well johnny77
[04:41] <seidos> gunndawg: and .65 in about:plugins?
[04:41] <kidsodateless> anyone use firefox 4.0 beta 12?
[04:42] <seidos> gunndawg: i have no idea why.  you have an interesting problem.
[04:42] <holstein> kidsodateless: not regularly
[04:42] <seidos> sounds like the cpu spike i get in glchess
[04:42] <seidos> gunndawg: if you figure it out, do tell.
[04:42] <gunndawg> seidos: well like I said as long as it doesnt overheat, then its not a problem, you can run it 100% just fine
[04:42] <gunndawg> seidos: thats what its there for, just as longa s it dont overheat
[04:43] <kidsodateless> holstein, have you experience sluggish streaming on youtube?
[04:43] <holstein> no more than anything else
[04:43] <holstein> similar to chromium
[04:44] <seidos> gunndawg: it is inefficient.  i don't like when my cpu uses more electricity than it needs to, plus, it does cause wear on the cpu that is unnecessary.
[04:44] <seidos> gunndawg: well, you know that other users are able to watch videos and it not use 100% cpu.  what do you think is the cause?
[04:45] <seidos> gunndawg: do you play chess?  maybe see if you get the same problem i do in glchess
[04:45] <gunndawg> seidos: wich I knew, I'd fix it
[04:45] <seidos> *wish
[04:45] <gunndawg> right
[04:45] <seidos> may all beings be free from suffering
[04:45] <seidos> there's a wish
[04:46] <gunndawg> my wish is that I knew how to fix the CPU usage on here
[04:46] <seidos> gunndawg: hmmm, this is very strange indeed.
[04:46] <holstein> gunndawg: close some things ;)
[04:46] <seidos> how could it possibly be software?  the source we have is the same.  must be a hardware issue.
[04:46] <seidos> gunndawg: video card?
[04:46] <gunndawg> holstein: hardly anything is open! and its web browsers that cause the CPU to use like 80 - 90% some times 100% of my cpu
[04:47] <gunndawg> without chromium or firefox open its like 3%
[04:47] <holstein> sounds about right ;)
[04:47] <gunndawg> holstein: you use that much cpu when you use firefox ?
[04:48] <matt223> where are video and audio streams?
[04:48] <seidos> it's like 13 or 14% for me when chromium isn't open
[04:48] <seidos> hovers at around 40% with chromium open
[04:48] <gunndawg> seidos: glchess doesnt spike my cpu
[04:48] <holstein> nah
[04:48] <holstein> well, depends i guess
[04:48] <seidos> gunndawg: it's an intermittent problem for me.  after i lose against the computer on easy.
[04:48] <gunndawg> holstein: then why did you say "sounds about right"
[04:48] <holstein> but usually chromium is pretty lite
[04:48] <seidos> the game is over, and i have python @ 100%.  it's like wat?
[04:48] <holstein> gunndawg: cause you're running linux
[04:48] <seidos> *what
[04:49] <holstein> ;)
[04:49] <gunndawg> holstein: so are you
[04:49] <holstein> flash is just a dog
[04:49] <holstein> for us
[04:49] <seidos> it isn't that bad for me
[04:49] <holstein> anyways, GN all o/
[04:49] <seidos> cyclops ;)
[04:50] <seidos> let me try pandora.com that's usually terribly slow
[04:51] <matt223> where are the video and audio streams? i have a composite to usb video converter
[04:52] <matt223> video's at /dev/video1
[04:53] <seidos> it's at about 40% after all the initial loading
[04:53] <seidos> that isn't too bad
[04:53] <seidos> er, probably equivalent to windows
[04:54] <seidos> matt223: composite to usb?  what good is that?
[04:54] <matt223> recording tapes
[04:54] <matt223> converting tapes
[04:54] <seidos> video's at video0 here
[04:54] <matt223> that's my webcam
[04:55] <seidos> ah, so you digital composite video
[04:55] <seidos> cool
[04:55] <seidos> *can digitize
[04:55]  * seidos does a robot
[04:55] <seidos322> i feel...cold
[04:56] <matt223> yeah... but were is the audio stream
[04:57] <seidos0> no such file or directory
[04:57] <seidos0> good question, matt223
[04:58] <seidos0> composite need not video, it could be audio
[04:58] <seidos0> *be
[04:59] <seidos0> *where
[05:01] <matt223> so where might it be
[05:02] <matt223> ?????????
[05:03] <seidos0> /sbin/alsa
[05:03] <seidos0> is my first guess
[05:03] <seidos0> how many guess do i get matt223?
[05:03] <matt223> i'll try that
[05:04] <seidos0> *guesses
[05:06] <seidos0> i added the linux kernel ppa, but i don't know what packages to install to install the 2.6.26 kernel.  thoughts?
[05:07] <paultag> seidos0: check package name and suite
[05:07] <gunndawg> is 2.6.26 the latest ?
[05:09] <matt223> /sbin/alsa is a text file
[05:10] <matt223> where's the device
[05:11] <matt223> *sound
[05:13] <matt223> ?hello?
[05:14] <matt223> seidos0?
[05:15] <seidos0> matt223: went afk
[05:16] <seidos0> matt223: okay guess number 2 is ls /sbin/*alsa*
[05:16] <seidos0> gunndawg: i'm going back, latest isn't working
[05:17] <gunndawg> seidos0: alright
[05:17] <seidos0> paultag: i did sudo apt-cache search kernel and sudo apt-cache search linux-image
[05:19] <seidos0> well, i tried all the iso for 8.04, 9.10, and 10.04.  but sd card isn't being detected when i insert it.
[05:20] <seidos0> maybe i should be putting it into all these devices
[05:20] <seidos0> it probably has a std "sharing transmitted disease"
[05:21] <matt223> what should i enter in vlc for audio
[05:22] <seidos0> sudo apt-get install vlc
[05:22] <gunndawg> vlc acts weird for me, it opens files but wont play them
[05:22] <gunndawg> just sits there
[05:23] <seidos0> can't help you, vlc libs cannot be authenticated matt223
[05:23] <gunndawg> well it plays some .mp3's
[05:23] <gunndawg> and others it wont
[05:23] <seidos0> matt223: do you know why when i try to install vlc to help you, the libs can't be authenticated?
[05:23] <matt223> i already have it. i mean in the open capture device dialog
[05:23] <seidos0> matt223: no idea
[05:24] <matt223> i should just be the audio of the converter
[05:25] <matt223> like how the video is at /dev/video1
[05:25] <gunndawg> matt223: how are you gonna be the audio ?
[05:29] <seidos0> i need some DNS servers, stat!
[05:30] <matt223> <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:38] <matt223> wait, that's subnet. <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:39] <seidos0> i found public dns
[05:39] <seidos0> i had found it before...but i could't recall the ip's fast enough
[05:42] <gunndawg> why do you need a dns ?
[05:43] <gunndawg> when I get bored I take my terminal window and drag it around and admire the wobbly windows :)
[05:48] <seidos0> nothing serious
[05:52] <matt223> thumbs for wobbly windows
[05:52] <matt223> *up
[05:54] <gunndawg> matt223: :)
[05:54] <gunndawg> matt223: do you use them as well ?
[06:19] <gunndawg> This makes no sense, I have nothing open and my CPU is running at 100%
[06:19] <gunndawg> gonna reboot, this is odd
[06:20] <bioterror> reboot fixes everything
[06:20] <seidos0> should've told him about top
[06:20] <seidos0> so he could find what process it is
[06:21] <seidos0> dang, bash is quite cryptic
[06:22] <bioterror> gunndawg, next time: top
[06:22] <gunndawg> back
[06:22] <gunndawg> bioterror: yeah I forgot about that
[06:22] <gunndawg> out of nowhere it just maxed my CPU 100% and didnt move
[06:22] <bioterror> windows user I see :D
[06:23] <gunndawg> bioterror:  we were all windows users at one point
[06:23] <seidos0> forgetting to remember is highly annoying
[06:23] <gunndawg> that was kinda freaky though, out of no where bam 100% and didnt fluctuate to 99% or anything, just pinned at 100%, nothing open
[06:23] <gunndawg> no browsers, just irssi
[06:24] <seidos0> was glchess open?
[06:24]  * seidos0 believes in the linux
[06:25] <gunndawg> seidos0: no
[06:26] <seidos0> ah, we'll never know, now.
[06:26] <seidos0> oh well.
[06:26] <gunndawg> now everything is fine, I am even running chromium and sitting at 4% usage
[06:27] <gunndawg> now im monitoring top to see what spikes
[06:27] <gunndawg> what is "Xorg"
[06:28] <bioterror> it's X11
[06:28] <seidos0> gunndawg: the x "server".  it serves video
[06:28] <bioterror> !x11
[06:28] <ubot2> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[06:29] <gunndawg> hm, I wonder what caused it to pin my cpu at 100% like that and not move
[06:29] <gunndawg> that was strange
[06:30] <seidos0> gunndawg: what video card are you using?
[06:30] <bioterror> gunndawg, probably chromium or something else
[06:30] <gunndawg> bioterror: I wasnt running chromium
[06:30] <gunndawg> thats what confused me
[06:30] <gunndawg> its pretty common that it hits 100% when I run chromium but it wasnt open, thats what is odd
[06:31] <gunndawg> its down to about 70% now with chromium open and a live video feed showing
[06:31] <seidos0> clever. don't answer the question.
[06:31] <seidos0> haha
[06:31] <gunndawg> huh?
[06:32] <seidos0> gunndawg: i don't know if you are joking or serious
[06:32] <gunndawg> seidos0: about what ?
[06:32] <seidos0> gunndawg: that you didn't see my question
[06:32] <gunndawg> seidos0: you think I am making up the 100% cpu thing again just like you thought i was making something else up earlier ?
[06:32] <gunndawg> andrew_46: hey there
[06:32] <andrew_46> gunndawg: hello :)
[06:33] <gunndawg> seidos0: no I guess not, guess that makes me clever
[06:33] <seidos0> gunndawg: < seidos0> gunndawg: what video card are you using?
[06:33] <gunndawg> seidos0: the intel onboard intel chip that comes with this laptop, am i still clever ?
[06:33] <seidos0> gunndawg: yes and no
[06:34] <seidos0> which intel chip?
[06:34] <gunndawg> seidos0: I dont know, why ?
[06:34] <seidos0> i'm using GM965
[06:34] <gunndawg> andrew_46: whats goin on tonight
[06:34] <gunndawg> seidos0: im not sure what it is
[06:34] <seidos0> gunndawg: so we can prove that it's your video driver, then create a bug in launchpad, to get your system tip top
[06:34] <seidos0> gunndawg: do you want to know?
[06:34] <andrew_46> gunndawg: Almost time for my yoga class :)
[06:35] <seidos0> andrew_46: dhalsim says "yoga fire!"
[06:35] <gunndawg> seidos0: sure, but if its the CPU overheating how would that relate to my video ?
[06:35] <seidos0> gunndawg: because video is supposed to handle the processing, but can't, and so off loads it to cpu
[06:35] <gunndawg> seidos0: I dont mean overheating, I mean overworking, it never overheated
[06:35] <gunndawg> seidos0: alright, yeah tell me where to find it
[06:35] <seidos0> i assumed you meant that
[06:35] <gunndawg> seidos0: the chip information
[06:36] <seidos0> gunndawg: sudo lshw
[06:36] <seidos0> gunndawg: in a terminal
[06:36] <gunndawg> seidos0: just says PCI (sysfs)
[06:36] <gunndawg> oh wait
[06:36] <gunndawg> there it goes
[06:37] <gunndawg> seidos0: this seems likst mostly hdd info
[06:37] <seidos0> display0 is where mine is displayed
[06:37] <gunndawg> seidos0: I dont see anything relating to video
[06:37] <seidos0> hey!  display0!
[06:37] <seidos0> hmmm, nope, not listed
[06:38] <seidos0> gunndawg: it's in there, keep looking
[06:38] <madsailor> hey gunndawg still tinkering, huh?
[06:38] <seidos0> i'm going to read the lshw manpage, thanks
[06:38] <seidos0> whoa, there's an x11 gui for lshw?
[06:39] <gunndawg> madsailor: im having CPU issues, it keeps hitting 90 - 100%
[06:39] <andrew_46> gunndawg: What about sudo lspci | grep -i 'Graphics Controller'
[06:39] <gunndawg> madsailor: trying to figureo ut why
[06:39] <bioterror> gunndawg, and when you look at the top you see which process takes the CPU
[06:39] <bioterror> gunndawg, it's not a rocket science
[06:40] <gunndawg> bioterror: im aware of that
[06:40] <bioterror> gunndawg, you can install htop if you think normal top is hard to read
[06:40] <gunndawg> bioterror: i've read top, thanks
[06:40] <madsailor> gunndawg, for basic processor info (to see what you have) you can run cat /proc/cpuinfo
[06:41] <gunndawg> seidos0: Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated
[06:41] <gunndawg> madsailor: yeah its a Celeron at 2.20GHz
[06:41] <seidos0> gunndawg: paste the output of sudo lshw to a paste bin
[06:42] <gunndawg> im pinned at 100% cpu now
[06:42] <gunndawg> and its not moving
[06:42] <gunndawg> just dropped to 60%
[06:42] <seidos0> gunndawg: can/would you single out a process?
[06:43] <gunndawg> seidos0: yeah its chromium-browse
[06:43] <seidos0> gunndawg: and flash is open, right?
[06:43] <gunndawg> but it does it on both chroimium and firefox
[06:43] <gunndawg> seidos0: yes sir
[06:43] <madsailor> gunndawg, you can see what processes are running an how much resources that are using under system > administration >system monitor
[06:44] <gunndawg> seidos0: im getting the output of lshw, hang on
[06:44] <seidos0> it must be something with his video card, i just know it.
[06:44] <seidos0> all the pieces in chromium on his system and on mine are the same
[06:44] <seidos0> gunndawg: maverick iirc
[06:44] <seidos0> iirc == if i recall correctly
[06:44] <gunndawg> seidos0: http://www.ubuntu.pastebin.com/rEdDYxA3
[06:45] <seidos0> wrt == with respect to
[06:45] <seidos0> heh, i suppose = works just fine
[06:45] <seidos0> gunndawg: i'm assuming your cpu isn't stuck at 900mhz
[06:46] <gunndawg> madsailor: it appears as though chromium-browse and chromium-browser are using the most memory
[06:46] <gunndawg> seidos0: im not sure
[06:46] <seidos0> gunndawg: probably not.  it was this line:  product: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU          900  @ 2.20GHz
[06:47] <gunndawg> I only have 2 tabs open in chromium yet there is like 3 instances of chromium-browse and 3 instances of chromium-browser
[06:47] <seidos0> gunndawg: we are using the same driver i915, and we have different hardware...
[06:47] <gunndawg> seidos0: right
[06:47] <seidos0> gunndawg: you should create a bug in launchpad against i915 i believe
[06:48] <seidos0> er, well, i guess it's against xorg
[06:48] <gunndawg> I've never filed a bug report, what info should I provide them ?
[06:48] <gunndawg> like right now its keepin below 20% and right now its 8%
[06:48] <seidos0> gunndawg: do alt-f2 ubuntu-bug xorg
[06:48] <gunndawg> then randomly bam its way up there
[06:48] <seidos0> gunndawg: then follow the steps
[06:50] <seidos0> gunndawg: you can add cpu monitor to your top panel (one for each "cpu") to make sure the cpu frequency is going over 900mhz (though, it probably is, i am just paranoid)
[06:51] <gunndawg> seidos0: yeah
[06:51] <gunndawg> I cant imagine why it would be maxing my CPU, im not doing anything intense to the system
[06:51] <seidos0> gunndawg: do you get what i'm saying about the video driver?
[06:52] <seidos0> gunndawg: we compared our systems to a t, what were the differences?
[06:52] <gunndawg> seidos0: I think I had more ram, and bigger HDD ?
[06:52] <seidos0> gunndawg: but that's not relevant to the problem
[06:52] <gunndawg> well im just answering your question
[06:53] <gunndawg> you wanted to know what the differences were
[06:53] <seidos0> well more ram and bigger hdd won't cause a cpu spike
[06:53] <gunndawg> seidos0: I know that, once again. I was just answering the question
[06:53] <gunndawg> seidos0: you asked what the differences were, remember ?
[06:54] <seidos0> gunndawg: i remember and i forget.
[06:54] <gunndawg> seidos0: nevermind
[06:54] <seidos0> gunndawg: you're using maverick, correct?
[06:54] <gunndawg> seidos0: Ubuntu 10.10, yes
[06:55] <gunndawg> liek right now I have 4 tabs open in chromium, skype, pidgin, and irssi and im only hitting 11%
[06:55] <seidos0> gunndawg: and about:plugs in chromium says 10.1.102, correct?
[06:55] <seidos0> *about:plugins
[06:56] <seidos0> gunndawg: you should try other video intensive apps.  like watching a movie in totem.
[06:56] <seidos0> what else might be video intensive...hmmm.
[06:56] <gunndawg> seidos0: why would I do that when a simple embeded flash live stream uses more cpu than it should ?
[06:56] <seidos0> maybe glchess is also spiking because of video issues...
[06:56] <gunndawg> seidos0: possibly
[06:57] <seidos0> gunndawg: simple?!
[06:57] <seidos0> gunndawg: but it's for testing purposes.
[06:57] <seidos0> if totem also uses a lot of cpu, then it's in video intensive apps
[06:57] <seidos0> it=bug
[06:58] <gunndawg> seidos0: but i was doing nothing but sitting on the desktop with minimal programs running and no internet browser when it pinned at 100%
[06:58] <gunndawg> no video going of any sort, anywhere
[06:58] <seidos0> gunndawg: but you didn't do top T_T
[06:58] <seidos0> so we can't say what that was
[06:58] <gunndawg> im wondering if i should scrap Chromium and go with google chrome
[06:58] <gunndawg> could be as simple as that
[06:59] <seidos0> well, you have a gui up
[06:59] <madsailor> agents
[06:59] <seidos0> madsailor: ?
[06:59] <gunndawg> madsailor: hopefully they arent federal
[06:59] <seidos0> gunndawg: could be
[07:00] <seidos0> gunndawg: oh wait, except i'm using chromium, and i don't have the problem you're having
[07:00] <gunndawg> seidos0: that doesnt mean it cant fix my issue
[07:01] <seidos0> gunndawg: true.  but the probability isn't very high.
[07:01] <seidos0> gunndawg: hey, it's worth a shot.  but if i were you, i'd create the bug wrt xorg
[07:01] <gunndawg> seidos0: I dont know what information to provide them with
[07:02] <seidos0> gunndawg: it provides information automatically
[07:02] <seidos0> thunder
[07:02] <gunndawg> it wants me to type in a summary and Further Information
[07:03] <seidos0> gunndawg: i can give you a hand with that if you'd like
[07:04] <gunndawg> seidos0: what information do I provide them
[07:04] <gunndawg> seidos0: you said it did it automatically, but it doesnt
[07:04] <seidos0> gunndawg: generally speaking, it does
[07:05] <gunndawg> seidos0: that doesnt make sense
[07:05] <gunndawg> seidos0: how would it know I am having CPU spike issues automatically without me telling them that
[07:08] <seidos0> gunndawg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/563732/ for what i believe you should include.  feel free to change it so that you are comfortable with it
[07:08] <seidos0> gunndawg: it makes sense to me
[07:10] <Ascavasaion> I have been sent here from #ubuntu to rant and rave about my dodgy Ubuntu install.  All I wanted was to install Ubuntu and get it runnign and then do an apt-get install xubuntu-desktop and run it light.   But no... I cannot boot the IDE unless the CDROM and DVDROM drives are empty because it then just hangs with odd errors.  Then when it does boot it does not load gdm.  Then when I try an apt-get install gdm it cannot resolv
[07:10] <Ascavasaion> e the local mirror.  I then check and see that there is no network, no sound, and the shutdown button in Gnome does nothing.    I have reinstalled it three times ina row now and each time something different.  Last time Grub would not work, the previous time it was Xorg not opening.  Surely this is ridiculous.
[07:11] <bioterror> Ascavasaion, and they sent you to here
[07:12] <bioterror> Ascavasaion, have you tried boot flag "acpi=off"?
[07:12] <bioterror> sounds like it might do the trick
[07:12] <bioterror> and would you tell us more about your hardware
[07:12] <bioterror> is it build from the the scratch or did you grab a HP or Acer or something from store
[07:13] <seidos0> that's interesting, there are no 100% cpu usage bugs in launchpad when i do a search
[07:13] <seidos0> oh, dang it...
[07:14] <Ascavasaion> bioterror: It is an AMD Duron 1300Mhz, 384Mb RAM and 20Gb HDD.  It is a machine I put together from old parts... but Windows 2000 runs on it, and Ubuntu used to run on it.
[07:14] <bioterror> okay
[07:14] <bioterror> Ascavasaion, have you tried alternate installation?
[07:15] <Ascavasaion> bioterror: Alternate as in?
[07:15] <bioterror> a text based installer
[07:15] <bioterror> http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/alternative-download
[07:15] <Ascavasaion> bioterror: Let me guess?  Another ISO I have to download?  All I ever get told is to download this ISO, and that ISO, etc.
[07:15] <seidos0> Ascavasaion: i'm sorry you're having difficulty.  i feel you.
[07:15] <bioterror> Ascavasaion, I asked have you tried
[07:16] <bioterror> Ascavasaion, I dont know what the #ubuntu guys have done with you
[07:16] <Ascavasaion> Aaaah, it is another ISO download... sigh.
[07:16] <Ascavasaion> bioterror: No, i have not.
[07:16] <bioterror> what they told you to download then?
[07:17] <seidos0> Ascavasaion: do you use the torrent files to download the isos?
[07:17] <bioterror> I had problems to install xubuntu to my parents-in-law computer and alternate went in without a prob
[07:17] <seidos0> torrent files are much faster in my experience
[07:17] <seidos0> makes it less painful to download them
[07:17] <bioterror> Ascavasaion, but would you like to tell us more about the iso files
[07:18] <Ascavasaion> bioterror: Well, I have tried DSL, PuppyLinux, Fluppy, Turbo Pup, Ubuntu 9.something, Ubuntu 10.04, umm.. FreeBSD, etc... and each one has different issues.
[07:18] <seidos0> Ascavasaion: what are your thoughts?  it's your system.  at this point you know more about it than us.
[07:19] <seidos0> Ascavasaion: do you think there's a bug?  if so, where do you believe it to exist?
[07:19] <Cheri703> what would be a few steps up from bare minimum specs you'd recommend on a video card for a business computer that will primarily be doing basic office stuff, and occasionally video?
[07:19] <bioterror> Ascavasaion, what kind of probs you had with FreeBSD for example
[07:19] <Ascavasaion> seidos0: Not hardware... I had Windows 2000 on it last night... worked perfectly.
[07:19] <Ascavasaion> bioterror: FreeBSD is the problem hehe
[07:19] <bioterror> it is if you dont undertand port system
[07:20] <seidos0> Ascavasaion: yeah, drivers may be a problem.  the kernel developers do work quite hard from what i understand.
[07:20] <Ascavasaion> I am wasting your time guys... nobody is going to be able to help me with this.  I know I sound defeatist and perhaps I am... but I am tired.
[07:20] <bioterror> I've got lots of time
[07:20] <bioterror> :D
[07:20] <seidos0> so do i :D
[07:20] <bioterror> hey joe!
[07:21] <gunndawg> ugh, now im having problems with the hilightwin.pl acript for irssi
[07:21] <seidos0> and i realize you don't want to spend the rest of your life working on this Ascavasaion, but this is the nature of the beast.  if win2k was open source, and the drivers for all your hardware, you wouldn't have a problem i suspect
[07:21] <Ascavasaion> As Ubuntu releases have progressed I see more and more Ubuntu going the Windows way... reinstall, reinstall.... and yes... reinstall.
[07:21] <Ascavasaion> seidos0: True.
[07:22] <bioterror> Ascavasaion, that's not true ;D
[07:22] <Ascavasaion> This computer is old... everythign in it is ancient... if it is not supported then I do not know.
[07:22] <seidos0> Ascavasaion: nay.  Ubuntu is FOSS.  Windows still isn't.  but perhaps someday :D
[07:22] <JoeMaverickSett> hey bio :D
[07:23] <seidos0> Ascavasaion: i feel your pain.  i wish it just worked without any effort at all
[07:23] <bioterror> Ascavasaion, what kind of grub parameters you've tried?
[07:24] <Ascavasaion> seidos0: I do not mind a few tweaks here and there... but last night's install Grub  never installed... and this morning it is Xorg not starting, amongst other things.
[07:24] <bioterror> oh, seems like seidos0 is helping you
[07:24] <bioterror> I'm of this now
[07:24] <seidos0> Ascavasaion: if there is a bug that we can report to the developers on your hardware, i'd like to do find it.  it would help improve hardware support.
[07:25] <Ascavasaion> bioterror: I never even bothered witht he grub settings because it never even installed grub or grub-install.  I tried to manually install them and it could not resolve.  I mean seriously... my network is not working... but it managed to download during the install... how does that make sense???
[07:25] <seidos0> bioterror: i think i need you on this one.
[07:25] <seidos0> think = believe
[07:25] <seidos0> gunndawg: i don't use the hilight script.  i used to.  don't really need it
[07:26] <gunndawg> seidos0: yeah I know, brb
[07:26] <Ascavasaion> Okay, I am going to reinstall... AGAIN!
[07:26] <bioterror> Ascavasaion, wait!
[07:26] <gunndawg> ok fixed that problem
[07:27] <seidos0> i'm not even sure what iso i would use if i were you Ascavasaion
[07:27] <seidos0> gunndawg: *fist bump*
[07:27] <gunndawg> seidos0: lol
[07:27] <Ascavasaion> seidos0: Ubuntu 10.04 used to work... nowit does not.
[07:27] <bioterror> Ascavasaion, http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/maverick/release/alternate/xubuntu-10.10-alternate-i386.iso could you try this one for the reinstallation
[07:28] <seidos0> Ascavasaion: it could be the hdd is failing.  do you have a spare?  how does it work from live cd?
[07:28] <Ascavasaion> seidos0: Hard disk is fine.
[07:28] <seidos0> Ascavasaion: and from live iso?  any problems?
[07:29] <Ascavasaion> seidos0: Nope.
[07:29] <seidos0> bioterror: thoughts?
[07:29] <bioterror> seidos0, I think he should first try alternate install
[07:29] <Ascavasaion> bioterror: But on previous times 10.04 installed on this machine from the same disc.
[07:30] <bioterror> as he's hardware aint the top of the line
[07:30] <bioterror> his
[07:31] <gunndawg> Anyone wanna play some poker on PokerTH ?
[07:31] <bioterror> gunndawg, these kind of things goes to #ubuntu-beginners-team
[07:31] <seidos0> Ascavasaion: hmmm, yeah, you did say it works fine on win2k.  so hdd should be fine then.
[07:31] <gunndawg> bioterror: what sorts of things ?
[07:31] <JoeMaverickSett> gunndawg: about poker
[07:31] <Ascavasaion> seidos0: It even used to run fine on Ubuntu 10.04/
[07:31] <JoeMaverickSett> gunndawg: this is a *support* channel
[07:32] <gunndawg> JoeMaverickSett: is that a poker channel ?
[07:32] <JoeMaverickSett> gunndawg: no, but less stricter in the sense that you could talk about poker
[07:32] <seidos0> Ascavasaion: what happened w/ 10.04?
[07:33] <seidos0> wrt = with respect to
[07:33] <Ascavasaion> seidos0: Ran perfectly.
[07:33] <bioterror> Ascavasaion, kernels changes and so on. hard to say
[07:34] <seidos0> Ascavasaion: then use 10.04, it's LTS
[07:34] <Ascavasaion> bioterror: It was the same disc I installed from.
[07:34] <Ascavasaion> seidos0: I am uing 10.04
[07:34] <Ascavasaion> Well trying to at least
[07:34] <bioterror> you say you have problems and you say you use same disc
[07:34] <bioterror> I'm not really getting this now
[07:35] <bioterror> and guys talking about poker aint making this any easier to track :D
[07:35] <Ascavasaion> bioterror: I usedto have Ubuntu 10.04 on... it worked... I then put Windows 2000 on and it worked... now when I try 10.04 again everythign goes haywire.
[07:35] <gunndawg> bioterror: oh relax
[07:37] <bioterror> Ascavasaion, can you try the alternate iso?
[07:37] <Ascavasaion> bioterror: No, I have wasted enough of my monthly Internet cap on Ubuntu.
[07:38] <bioterror> does people really pay for the bw they use? :o
[07:39] <Ascavasaion> bioterror: Yes, I am from South africa... where we have the highest crime in the world, and the highest cost for telephone calls.
[07:39] <bioterror> and vuvuzelas! ;)
[07:39]  * nlsthzn agrees that telecommunication in SA is the sucks
[07:40] <Ascavasaion> bioterror: I hate those things.
[07:44] <bioterror> Ascavasaion, if I remember right, the disc has that "check if disc is okay" boot option
[07:45] <Ascavasaion> bioterror: As I said, the disc is fine because I have used it before... on this very computer in fact.
[07:46] <bioterror> I like your attitude
[07:46] <bioterror> I dont know why you came here to ask for help, if it's not wanted
[07:46] <Ascavasaion> bioterror: hehe  I was not having attitude there
[07:47] <Ascavasaion> bioterror: ????
[07:47] <Ascavasaion> bioterror: It is fine then hey... you need not try to help me any more.
[07:47]  * nlsthzn wonders what is up with all the attitude on this fluffy Monday??
[07:49] <gunndawg> he never had an attitude
[07:49] <Ascavasaion> nlsthzn: I do not have attitude.... why is everyone saying that?
[07:49]  * seidos0 is wondering why his feet hurt
[07:50] <Ascavasaion> seidos0: From kicking arse?
[07:50] <Ascavasaion> ehehhe
[07:50] <seidos0> Ascavasaion: i wish
[07:50] <gunndawg> Ascavasaion: bioterror is just being his normal self
[07:50] <nlsthzn> Ascavasaion: Strange... I never remember naming anyone... just observing the general pissyness going on that is all...
[07:50] <Ascavasaion> nlsthzn: HAHAH  considering that I am the only one in here asking for help heehhe  Cool buddy :)
[07:51] <seidos0> what would Linus do?
[07:51] <seidos0> dude, i need all kinds of help
[07:51] <seidos0> someone help me learn how to program
[07:51] <seidos0> if such a thing is even possible
[07:51] <nlsthzn> Ascavasaion: If the shoe fits (or you are hell bend on making it fit) then wear it
[07:51] <seidos0> i suck at programming
[07:51] <Ascavasaion> nlsthzn: *chuckle*
[07:52] <gunndawg> seidos0: what language ?
[07:53] <gunndawg> seidos0: programming takes time, and lots of it
[07:53] <gunndawg> seidos0: I've spent years programming and still have a TON to learn
[07:53] <seidos0> gunndawg: python
[07:54] <seidos0> or whatever software center is written in
[07:54] <gunndawg> seidos0: why do you wanna program in whatever language software center is written in ?
[07:54] <gunndawg> seidos0: thats a bit random
[07:54] <seidos0> gunndawg: do you have any experience with that?
[07:54] <gunndawg> seidos0: do I have any experience with what?
[07:55] <seidos0> gunndawg: software center programming
[07:55] <gunndawg> I dont know what "software center" programming is
[07:55] <gunndawg> that isnt a language
[07:57] <Ascavasaion> 45% with the install.
[08:04] <Ascavasaion> 54%
[08:07] <Ascavasaion> Oh cool... a new error... this time the disc is either damaged or dirty ehehhe
[08:07] <JackyAlcine> gunndawg: It's written in Python, believe it or not.
[08:09] <gunndawg> JackyAlcine: thats fine, but there is no such thing as "Software Center Programming"
[08:09] <sjskanth> Pls help....unable to enable intel drver (pls see error in  xlog http://paste.ubuntu.com/563739/)
[08:09] <JackyAlcine> lol, ah.
[08:10] <seidos0> yep, that was a misnomer on my part.
[08:10] <JackyAlcine> Damn.
[08:10] <JackyAlcine> I wanna to help him.
[08:10] <JackyAlcine> *wanted
[08:11] <seidos0> JackyAlcine: we would have to start with his grammar.
[08:11] <JackyAlcine> meh, lol
[08:11] <bioterror> JackyAlcine, nomodeset to grub parameters
[08:11] <seidos0> JackyAlcine: he provided reading material though :D
[08:11] <seidos0> or she...
[08:14] <seidos0> gunndawg: are you running 32bit or 64bit?
[08:14] <gunndawg> seidos0: 32
[08:14] <JackyAlcine> 32 FTW
[08:14] <JackyAlcine> :D
[08:14] <seidos0> gunndawg: all right, me too
[08:15] <gunndawg> I am trying to come up with another Python project
[08:15] <gunndawg> finished my other one
[08:16] <gunndawg> Might attempt to make a p2p client
[08:16] <seidos0> that's random
[08:16] <gunndawg> why?
[08:16] <seidos0> my toe hurts
[08:17] <seidos0> i should sit on the floor
[08:17] <gunndawg> how is what I said random ?
[08:17] <Ascavasaion> Reinstalling... AGAIN!
[08:17] <seidos0> gunndawg: just there is synchronicity.  i am adding torrents to transmission right now
[08:17] <gunndawg> that doesnt answer my question
[08:17] <seidos0> Ascavasaion: is there something i may assist you with?
[08:18] <seidos0> perhaps because there is no such thing as randomness
[08:18] <gunndawg> seidos0: you make no sense
[08:18] <Ascavasaion> seidos0: Nope... I am doing the Ubuntu thing... reinstalling:)
[08:19] <seidos0> Ascavasaion: like the windows thing, reinstalling :|
[08:19] <Ascavasaion> seidos0: YEs :)  Exactly... Ubuntu is Windows 8 :)
[08:19] <seidos0> gunndawg: i think you meant cents
[08:20] <gunndawg> seidos0: no
[08:20] <seidos0> Ascavasaion: no
[08:20] <seidos0> Ascavasaion: question?
[08:21] <Ascavasaion> seidos0: heehheeh  Sure buddy.
[08:21] <Ascavasaion> Ignore me...  Ubuntu :)
[08:23] <seidos0> gunndawg: i appreciate the sentiment
[08:23] <seidos0> :')
[08:24] <gunndawg> seidos0: that was random
[08:24] <seidos0> gunndawg: you make no sense
[08:24] <MrChrisDruif1> Why are you sad with Ubuntu Ascavasaion?
[08:25] <gunndawg> seidos0: no you just can't comprehend
[08:25] <seidos0> gunndawg: teach me then
[08:25] <Ascavasaion> MrChrisDruif1: Does not matter... I have been here all morning and not got 1 step closer to a working Ubuntu system... I should shut up and stop flooding the channel.
[08:26] <MrChrisDruif1> Ascavasaion: It takes some getting used to a new Operating System :)
[08:26] <gunndawg> Ascavasaion: why are you having so many issues? all i did was put the CD in and hit install
[08:26] <seidos0> MrChrisDruif1: i'm saddened with Ubuntu everytime it doesn't work for someone :(
[08:26] <MrChrisDruif1> And we've helped a lot of people here (among the problem were partitioning)
[08:26] <Ascavasaion> MrChrisDruif1: Not new to me... I started using Ubuntu when it was version 6.x
[08:27] <Ascavasaion> gunndawg: Exactly :)
[08:27] <gunndawg> Ascavasaion: so whats the issue ?
[08:27] <seidos0> MrChrisDruif1: Ascavasaion was saying he was having trouble with his ubuntu on his duron 1.3ghz 384MB ram
[08:28] <gunndawg> seidos0: I've seen ubuntu run on even lesser computer specs
[08:28] <MrChrisDruif1> Yeah, but still...
[08:28] <seidos0> what's the difference between dove and imx51?
[08:28] <MrChrisDruif1> Ascavasaion: Might I make a suggestion?
[08:28] <ApOgEE> hi all
[08:28] <seidos0> gunndawg: same here.  i have 8.04 on a p3 1ghz
[08:29] <Ascavasaion> MrChrisDruif1: YEs?
[08:29] <MrChrisDruif1> You could try Lubuntu, much less resource hungry and therefor less prone to break on those hardware specs
[08:29] <Ascavasaion> MrChrisDruif1: All I want is to get Ubuntu onto the machine... and then apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[08:29] <JackyAlcine> MrChrisDruif1: you have a 1.. lol, release.
[08:30] <seidos0> Mr ElfLord
[08:30] <seidos0> it's about time the elves showed up
[08:30] <MrChrisDruif1> Ascavasaion: Why do through the trouble of first trying to install Gnome and then install Xubuntu?
[08:30] <MrChrisDruif1> Or Xfce
[08:31] <Ascavasaion> MrChrisDruif1: Because downloading all these ISOs wasted ym cap.
[08:31] <gunndawg> I wasnt a fan of Xubuntu
[08:31] <MrChrisDruif1> (Btw, Xfce and Gnome are both medium-weight distros...LXDE is much lighter)
[08:31] <MrChrisDruif1> Ascavasaion: You could also download the mini-ISO and use it to install Xubuntu/Lubuntu/*ubuntu
[08:31] <seidos0> gunndawg: it's all right.  i just prefer ubuntu.
[08:32] <seidos0> i like fluxbox, it has a retro feel to it
[08:32] <seidos0> if you want light, i think the retro feel works
[08:32] <gunndawg> i tried fluxbox also and it was ok, but to many things didnt wanna work with it, so I stuck to Gnome
[08:32] <seidos0> that is me
[08:33]  * seidos0 does the walk of shame
[08:33] <MrChrisDruif1> seidos0: Add a block of shame...from "The Simpsons: Stonecutters" episode
[08:34] <gunndawg> This channel would be dead if it were not for all of our off-topic conversations in here every night
[08:34] <seidos0> MrChrisDruif1: i don't recall that part.  refresh my memory.
[08:35] <seidos0> it wouldn't be "dead", it would just be "different"
[08:35] <MrChrisDruif1> seidos0: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjeVB7Me1yA
[08:35] <gunndawg> seidos0: no it would be dead
[08:36] <Ascavasaion> 30%
[08:36] <nlsthzn> just means that ubuntu is working I guess and nobody needs assistance :)
[08:36] <seidos0> MrChrisDruif1: all right, block of shame it is
[08:37] <MrChrisDruif1> xD
[08:40] <seidos0> i think #ubuntu-school would be pretty awesome
[08:40] <Ascavasaion> I think #ubuntu-suicidehotline would be good too.
[08:41] <seidos0> Ascavasaion: that's horrific!
[08:41] <MrChrisDruif1> Ascavasaion: funny in a way
[08:41] <Ascavasaion> :)
[08:41] <seidos0> funny if there is no need for it :)
[08:42] <Ascavasaion> seidos0: I doubt Ubuntu will cause someone to kill themselves... All one needs to do it reinstall Windows :)
[08:43]  * seidos0 puts on the stone of triumph
[08:43] <MrChrisDruif1> xD
[08:44] <MrChrisDruif1> D'Oh! :P
[08:44] <gunndawg> Ascavasaion: I puke when i see xp boot up on my friends computers
[08:44] <seidos0> i puke when i think about my existing
[08:44] <Ascavasaion> gunndawg: hehehe  I am beginnign to feel that way about Ubuntu installation.
[08:44]  * seidos0 puts on the stone of shame
[08:45] <gunndawg> Ascavasaion: Again I had no issues installing it, just put CD in and hit install, done
[08:45] <gunndawg> Ascavasaion: what problems do you have? error messages ?
[08:45] <Ascavasaion> gunndawg: I know... I think I am the common denominator here
[08:45] <MrChrisDruif1> I gag :P
[08:45] <Ascavasaion> gunndawg: Oh, different ones each time... lost count of them.
[08:45] <seidos0> gunndawg: on your toshiba?  that's awesome \o/
[08:45] <gunndawg> seidos0: yes my toshiba
[08:46] <seidos0> i had my share of foibles.
[08:46] <gunndawg> its a great little laptop
[08:46] <seidos0> but i believe in what it stands for...so hopefull overcame them.
[08:46] <seidos0> y
[08:48] <gunndawg> ok I have started my new project. seidos0 can you guess what the first line of code says ?
[08:51] <MrChrisDruif1> gunndawg: Hello world?
[08:51] <gunndawg> MrChrisDruif1: that would give compile errors
[08:51] <MrChrisDruif1> ;)
[08:51] <MrChrisDruif1> What language? Python?
[08:52] <gunndawg> yes
[08:52] <gunndawg> using wx
[08:52] <Ascavasaion> 64%
[08:52] <gunndawg> thats a big hint
[08:53] <MrChrisDruif1> gunndawg: Then I don't know....some imports?
[08:53] <gunndawg> MrChrisDruif1: yes, ur on the right track
[08:54] <seidos0> gunndawg: it starts with a "bang"
[08:54] <gunndawg> MrChrisDruif1: import wx
[08:54] <gunndawg> :)
[08:54] <Ascavasaion> Oh goodie, now Ubuntu installation starts downloading for ages again.
[08:55] <MrChrisDruif1> Ascavasaion: Direct link download or torrent?
[08:55] <Ascavasaion> MrChrisDruif1: I do not know... near the end of the Ubuntu installation is starts downloading.. on 17 of 28 files now.
[08:56] <MrChrisDruif1> Ow...new updates :)
[08:57] <MrChrisDruif1> Ascavasaion: If you run another update after reboot...then you'll get another 200+ or something :P
[08:58] <seidos> i tried setting network settings, but it didn't work because of a routing issue
[08:58] <Ascavasaion> MrChrisDruif1: Exactly... what a waste of my cap.
[08:58] <seidos> ah well.  fictionalphilosophy.org will be down for awhile
[08:58]  * seidos puts on the stone of shame
[09:02] <gunndawg> seidos: you need to quit chating and start learning "Software Center" programming!
[09:03] <Ascavasaion> 85%, downloading language packs now :(
[09:03] <seidos> you need to join #ubuntu-beginners-team
[09:05] <gunndawg> seidos: do I need to ?
[09:08] <seidos> gunndawg:  i believe you should.
[09:08] <seidos> gunndawg: or #ubuntu-school
[09:09] <MrChrisDruif1> GTG
[09:09] <seidos> i should go to sleep, i'm trying too hard
[09:11] <Ascavasaion> 88%, still downloading language packs.
[09:13] <gunndawg> seidos: why should I join #ubuntu-school? what channel is that ?
[09:17] <Ascavasaion> This Ubuntu installation seems to be the best one so far... 93%
[09:20] <gunndawg> Ascavasaion: crash at 98%
[09:21] <Ascavasaion> gunndawg: Probably.
[09:23] <Ascavasaion> Installation finished... rebooting now.
[09:30] <Ascavasaion> Okay, installation went fine this time... Ubuntu is an enigma hehe  So, what is a nice lightweight desktop manager?  xubuntu the best option?
[09:30] <bioterror> Ascavasaion, lubuntu
[09:31] <JackyAlcine> Ascavasaion: LXDE
[09:32] <Ascavasaion> Okay, thank you
[09:36] <gunndawg> GNOME :)
[09:36] <Ascavasaion> tee hee... smartarse!
[09:36] <MrChrisDruif> ??
[09:36] <MrChrisDruif> What about lxde JackyAlcine?
[09:36] <MrChrisDruif> Ow...
[09:37] <MrChrisDruif> Read a bit back
[09:37] <MrChrisDruif> gunndawg: GNOME isn't light ;)
[09:37] <MrChrisDruif> It's medium
[09:38] <gunndawg> It's delicious
[09:38] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, but it's light to digest ;)
[09:38] <gunndawg> Would you rather eat a low fat cake that taste kinda dull, or a cake with a few extra calories, but taste DELICIOUS :)
[09:39] <MrChrisDruif> gunndawg: LXDE looks good and can be themed to your taste
[09:39] <gunndawg> MrChrisDruif: so can GNOME :0
[09:39] <Ascavasaion> lubuntu = lxde?
[09:39] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, but Gnome isn't light
[09:39] <MrChrisDruif> Ascavasaion: Kinda :)
[09:39] <MrChrisDruif> It's not default LXDE but uses it as base :)
[09:39] <Ascavasaion> MrChrisDruif: I meant, does lubuntu use lxde Window Manager.
[09:40] <gunndawg> light isnt always good
[09:40] <MrChrisDruif> No, but neither does LXDE itself :)
[09:40] <MrChrisDruif> It uses OpenBox
[09:41] <gunndawg> im just messin around, I dont know enough about all the different options out there to know what i am talking about. I just use what the base ubuntu 10.10 installation came with
[09:41] <gunndawg> and am happy with it
[09:41] <MrChrisDruif> Me too, but for certain lower spect PC it's not suitable :)
[09:42] <gunndawg> MrChrisDruif: I wouldnt consider my laptop to be high end
[09:42] <MrChrisDruif> No, but higher than a netbook right?
[09:42] <gunndawg> MrChrisDruif: I'd be surprised
[09:42] <MrChrisDruif> I don't know your laptop O:-)
[09:43] <gunndawg> 2.20GHz Celeron CPU, 2gb ram, 250GB HDD
[09:43] <gunndawg> im upgrading to 4gb ram and a 500gb HDD soon
[09:43] <Puck`> wow
[09:43] <Puck`> what do you operate on 4GB's ?
[09:43] <MrChrisDruif> Default netbook has an Atom 330 (which is dual-core) @ 1,66GHz
[09:43] <gunndawg> Puck`: what do you mean ?
[09:44] <MrChrisDruif> Or even an Atom N230 which is single-core
[09:44] <Puck`> I mean what do you do with 4GB on RAM's on Ubuntu?
[09:44] <gunndawg> MrChrisDruif: yeah I dont even think mine is a dual-core, think its just single
[09:44] <gunndawg> Puck`: who knows, why ?
[09:44] <Puck`> too many questions, I can't take it ((:
[09:44] <MrChrisDruif> :P
[09:45] <gunndawg> Puck`: I play quite a few games that could benefit from the extra ram
[09:45] <MrChrisDruif> gunndawg: I think it's marginally better then a netbook :)
[09:45] <Puck`> < MrChrisDruif> Default netbook has an Atom 330 (which is dual-core) @ 1,66GHz
[09:45] <Puck`> not Dual, Sir
[09:45] <Puck`> (:
[09:45] <Puck`> or maybe the newer ones are Dual ones, but the 1st generation netbooks are not
[09:45] <MrChrisDruif> Puck`: Opening a lot of applications (or tabs in chromium) would kindly use the RAM :D
[09:45] <gunndawg> Puck`: 4gb ram is pretty standard for computers now days, you act surprised about 4gb of ram
[09:46] <Puck`> MrChrisDruif: ohhh not chrome, maybe in Firefox
[09:46] <Puck`> gunndawg: well because I barely use 1 GB of RAM
[09:46] <MrChrisDruif> No, chromium too
[09:46] <MrChrisDruif> Each tab is a separate process
[09:46] <bioterror> Puck`, open GIMP and few RAW photos and you have ~3GB in use ;)Å
[09:47] <Puck`> but Chromium is not a resource hog, I can fly around with 20 tabs easily, but in firefox ... ouhm :\
[09:47] <gunndawg> I could benefit from a larger processor, just watching videos on chromium maxes my CPU out
[09:47] <Puck`> bioterror: yeah, that's why I asked what's he gonna do, 'cause editing photos may take up that much of RAM
[09:48] <Ascavasaion> gunndawg: What are you running?
[09:48] <MrChrisDruif> Puck`: I feel the same
[09:48] <gunndawg> Ascavasaion: hardware wise ?
[09:48] <Ascavasaion> gunndawg: Yes... seeing as the Chromium maxes you out.
[09:48] <gunndawg> Ascavasaion: just IRSSI, pidgin, and chromium
[09:48] <gunndawg> Ascavasaion: 2.20GHz celeron processor, 2gb RAM
[09:48] <Ascavasaion> gunndawg: That is a nice machine.
[09:49] <gunndawg> Ascavasaion: its not "nice" its low end for a laptop
[09:49] <Ascavasaion> gunndawg: I am running a Intel dual core with 2Gb RAM Laptop.
[09:49] <Ascavasaion> gunndawg: and that is all I could afford.
[09:50] <gunndawg> Ascavasaion: thats better than mine
[09:50] <gunndawg> Ascavasaion: you have dual core, I dont
[09:50] <bioterror> krohm... are we helping someone? ;)
[09:51] <gunndawg> Ascavasaion: I wonder if I do have dual core because my system monitor says Core 0 and Core 1
[09:51] <gunndawg> Ascavasaion: but they both show the same level of activity, as though its only one
[09:51] <Ascavasaion> gunndawg: Oh, I see.  Well... my two desktops are an AMD Athlon XP with 256Mb RAM and an AMD Duron with 384Mb RAM :)
[09:51] <gunndawg> Ascavasaion: ouch
[09:52] <Ascavasaion> gunndawg: HAHA!!!
[09:52] <Ascavasaion> gunndawg: What does Googling the laptop model for specs?
[09:52] <bioterror> gunndawg, how about less /proc/cpuinfo
[09:53] <bioterror> or dmesg |grep cpu
[09:53] <bioterror> sorry, |grep CPU
[09:53] <gunndawg> bioterror: I dont know what that does
[09:53] <gunndawg> http://reviews.cnet.com/laptops/toshiba-satellite-c655-s5049/4505-3121_7-34121930.html
[09:53] <gunndawg> thats my laptop
[09:55] <bioterror> you guys should spend some time checking out what /proc tells you
[09:56] <gunndawg> bioterror: when I get around to it, then sure
[09:57] <Ascavasaion> bioterror: I checked /proc/cpuinfo... 2 x 1.83 Intel processors :)
[09:58] <gunndawg> I get Permission Denied when trying to run /proc/cpuinfo
[09:58] <Ascavasaion> gunndawg: sudo
[09:58] <gunndawg> tried that
[09:58] <geirha> It's a textfile, not an executable file.
[09:58] <bioterror> gunndawg, less
[09:58] <bioterror> or cat
[09:58] <Ascavasaion> gunndawg: I did vi /proc/cpuinfo
[09:58] <gunndawg> less or cat, what ?
[09:59] <bioterror> less or chat
[09:59] <bioterror> cat even
[09:59] <bioterror> which ever suits you more
[09:59] <Ascavasaion> gunndawg: cat is probably the best option :)
[09:59] <bioterror> I prefer less
[09:59] <bioterror> as I want to pgup and pgdown
[09:59] <Ascavasaion> bioterror: Yes.
[09:59] <gunndawg> i've no clue what your talking about with less or cat
[09:59] <bioterror> gunndawg, man less
[09:59] <bioterror> gunndawg, man cat
[09:59] <bioterror> gunndawg, man man
[09:59] <gunndawg> yeah ok
[09:59] <gunndawg> anyways
[10:08] <gunndawg> Ascavasaion: so your install is good to go now ?
[10:08] <Ascavasaion> gunndawg: Yes, working like a charm... not sure what changed but it did.  Busy installing lubuntu desktop now :)
[10:08] <gunndawg> awww
[10:09] <gunndawg> maybe I should be using lubuntu, lol
[10:10] <bioterror> your choice
[10:11] <Ascavasaion> bioterror: Thanks for you help by the way
[10:11] <bioterror> Ascavasaion, you made another CD? ;)
[10:13] <Ascavasaion> bioterror: No... I just reran the install over and over and over.
[10:13] <gunndawg> I think I'll just stick to my current setup
[10:13] <bioterror> some dust or something in the optic reader, possible
[10:13] <gunndawg> and install 11.04 in a few months :)
[10:29] <gunndawg> got quiet in here
[10:30]  * nlsthzn lurks
[10:30] <MrChrisDruif> gunndawg: You'd think?
[10:31] <gunndawg> MrChrisDruif: I think some times
[10:32] <MrChrisDruif> Well...a lot of people lurk/idle around here
[10:32] <MrChrisDruif> If you'd want fast-paced action...please join #ubuntu ;)
[10:35] <andrew_46> gunndawg: it as quiet at yoga too :)
[10:37] <MrChrisDruif> Meditation strengthens the mind O:-)
[10:38] <gunndawg> MrChrisDruif: no thanks, no fast paced action for me
[10:38] <gunndawg> andrew_46: what are you up to? what else ya workin on?
[10:43] <andrew_46> gunndawg: I have a website I potter around with.....
[10:44] <gunndawg> andrew_46: you should join #ubuntu-offtopic so we can chit chat
[10:44] <andrew_46> gunndawg: Most popular page: http://www.andrews-corner.org/mutt.html
[10:44] <gunndawg> andrew_46: or just PM me
[10:44] <andrew_46> mutt is sort of on topic...... sort of......
[10:45] <gunndawg> I cant wait for 11.04
[10:45] <gunndawg> :)
[10:45] <andrew_46> gunndawg: Looking forward to unity?
[10:46] <gunndawg> andrew_46: I havent done any research about unity
[10:46] <s-fox> Hello.
[10:46] <andrew_46> s-fox: hi :)
[10:47] <s-fox> Hey andrew_46 it has been some time,  keeping well ?
[10:47] <andrew_46> s-fox: Not too bad, and you?
[10:48] <gunndawg> andrew_46: what is unity ?
[10:48] <nlsthzn> !unity
[10:48] <ubot2> Unity is a shell for GNOME, but it is not GNOME-shell. See http://unity.ubuntu.com and http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/10/31/unity-some-further-clarification-points/ for more information. Have a question, check http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/unity
[10:48]  * nlsthzn likes the bots :)
[10:49] <gunndawg> that site didnt tell me much, is it a program ?
[10:49] <gunndawg> or a new desktop enviroment that does more
[10:49] <gunndawg> or what
[10:50] <andrew_46> gunndawg: Newest thing for Ubuntu, causing a few waves, changes the look of Ubuntu to a more 'Fisher Price' look :)
[10:50]  * andrew_46 hopes there is a Fisher Price outside of Australia...
[10:51] <gunndawg> so it makes it look cheap and kid like?
[10:51] <gunndawg> that sounds dumb
[10:51] <gunndawg> I like the current look and feel
[10:52] <andrew_46> gunndawg: There was some success on netbooks and I believe Mark Shuttleworth was keen to extend this success
[10:53] <gunndawg> any screenshots of it so I can see what it really is ?
[10:53] <gunndawg> im lookin at some now
[10:54] <gunndawg> I dont like that left bar :(
[10:54] <bioterror> haha
[10:54] <bioterror> you're not only one
[10:54] <JackyAlcine> gunndawg: GNOME 3 FTW!
[10:54] <andrew_46> I am not running it I have to admit, so I should not cast too many aspersions
[10:56] <gunndawg> I am a sad panda looking at these screenshots
[10:56] <andrew_46> gunndawg: I will be running xfce 4.8 soon enough, not keen on experimentng with unity
[10:56] <andrew_46> i
[10:57] <s-fox> andrew_46,  You know me, busy busy busy.  I'm doing okay though thank you.
[10:57] <andrew_46> s-fox: I have popped in here a few times recntly, ##ufbt has been quiet
[10:58]  * andrew_46 tries to remember not to chat offtopic too much....
[11:01] <gunndawg> andrew_46: I have used XFCE before, 4.8 looks pretty nice
[11:05] <andrew_46> gunndawg: They are still shaking a few bugs out, 4.8.1 exists for some packages so I am hlding off for a while, 4.6.2 has been kind to me
[11:08] <bioterror> Ascavasaion, how's your lubuntu-desktop installation doing?
[11:09] <Ascavasaion> bioterror: Very nicely thank you...It looks very very nice,.
[11:09] <bioterror> Ascavasaion, http://ricecows.org/slubuntu.png something like that
[11:11] <gunndawg> Ascavasaion: screenshot time, show us ur setup!
[11:11] <Ascavasaion> bioterror: Sort of... nice desktop monitor in that one.
[11:12] <bioterror> Ascavasaion, sudo apt-get install conky
[11:13] <gunndawg> yeah I use conky also
[11:13] <gunndawg> but i wanna get a new conky theme
[11:13] <gunndawg> bored of the one I have
[11:13] <bioterror> gunndawg, make one
[11:13] <bioterror> that's what the FOSS is all about!
[11:13] <bioterror> ^__^
[11:13] <gunndawg> http://min.us/mveTS0Q
[11:13] <gunndawg> thats the one I have
[11:14] <bioterror> gunndawg, less is more
[11:14] <gunndawg> bioterror: in your opinion
[11:14] <gunndawg> bioterror: I like it
[11:17] <Ascavasaion> Conky looks VERY different on my machine,.
[11:17] <gunndawg> Ascavasaion: you need to modify the config file
[11:17] <gunndawg> Ascavasaion: otherwise the default look is yeah, very broken
[11:18] <Ascavasaion> Oh, okay hehe
[11:18] <gunndawg> Ascavasaion: I could send you my config file source to paste into urs
[11:18] <gunndawg> Ascavasaion: as a start, then you can modify it from there
[11:19] <Ascavasaion> gunndawg: I would appreciate that<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:21] <gunndawg> Ascavasaion: I'll just pastebin it
[11:21] <gunndawg> Ascavasaion: then just copy it from pastebin into ur conky config
[11:21] <Ascavasaion> gunndawg: Sure thing.
[11:22] <gunndawg> Ascavasaion: http://www.ubuntu.pastebin.com/0Uet4R7N
[11:23] <gunndawg> Ascavasaion: go to /etc/conky and open conky.conf and overwrite what is in there with mine
[11:23] <bioterror> nope
[11:23] <bioterror> .conkyrc
[11:23] <bioterror> in ~/
[11:24] <gunndawg> nope
[11:24] <gunndawg> mine is in /etc
[11:24] <bioterror> it's ~/.conkyrc
[11:24] <gunndawg> no
[11:24] <bioterror> wanna fight?! :D
[11:25] <gunndawg> I know my system better than you do
[11:25] <gunndawg> mine is in /etc/conky
[11:25] <Ascavasaion> Do not fight over me boys HAHA!
[11:25] <gunndawg> let me know if ya get it workin
[11:25] <Ascavasaion> gunndawg: I think yours is system wide... and bioterror's allows each user to uniquely set it up.
[11:26] <gunndawg> I only use one user, so maybe
[11:26]  * andrew_46 gets the jousting sticks out
[11:26] <bioterror> gunndawg, last time you didnt know about /proc/cpuinfo ;)
[11:27] <gunndawg> bioterror: no but I know where my conky is installed
[11:28] <gunndawg> bioterror: and its not where you keep saying
[11:28] <bioterror> and there's really no idea to edit /etc/conky/something since you have to use sudo for editing the config when you can just use your own user account for the .conkyrc WHICH IS READ BY DEFAULT IF IT EXISTS
[11:29] <gunndawg> well i set my conky up by editing conky.conf
[11:29] <gunndawg> so.... not sure what your doing
[11:29] <bioterror> not teaching people to do things wrong
[11:30] <gunndawg> im not teaching anyone to do anything wrong
[11:30] <gunndawg> because nothing I have done with conky is wrong
[11:30] <gunndawg> I think you are confused
[11:30] <bioterror> am I?
[11:30] <gunndawg> I think so, yes
[11:30] <bioterror> why?
[11:31] <Ascavasaion> Boy, am I sorry I asked heeh
[11:31] <gunndawg> Ascavasaion: lol
[11:31] <gunndawg> Ascavasaion: did you get it workin ?
[11:31] <bioterror> I still think that unnecessary /etc/ configuring is not needed if you can do it inside your ~/ without sudo
[11:31] <Ascavasaion> gunndawg: Will do that later... lunch time now.
[11:31] <gunndawg> Ascavasaion: sounds good
[11:31] <gunndawg> bioterror: its worked perfectly for me, so I think it will be just fine, you can relax
[11:32] <gunndawg> bioterror: not only me, but several other people
[11:32] <bioterror> gunndawg, why edit /etc/something if the ~/.something has the #1 priority to be read first
[11:33] <gunndawg> bioterror: because it works either way
[11:33] <Ascavasaion> how do you get it to autostart each time you start Xorg?
[11:34] <gunndawg> bioterror: so keep doing it ur little way, and I'll do it my way, and the world will go around
[11:34] <gunndawg> :)
[11:35] <Ascavasaion> Conky that is
[11:35] <Puck`> talk about rudeness (:
[11:35] <gunndawg> Ascavasaion: im not entirely sure
[11:36] <bioterror> gunndawg, you can tell how you did it, ofcourse ;)
[11:36] <gunndawg> bioterror: i havent done it
[11:36] <bioterror> :(
[11:37] <bioterror> Ascavasaion, was it lubuntu what you were using?
[11:39] <Ascavasaion> bioterror: Yes
[11:40] <bioterror> Ascavasaion, it is done by creating ~/.config/autostart/conky.desktop
[11:40] <bioterror> more about .desktop files from http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/
[11:40] <bioterror> as I have work to do
[11:40] <Ascavasaion> bioterror: Thank you.
[11:41] <bioterror> Name=Conky
[11:41] <bioterror> Comment=Blaeh
[11:41] <bioterror> Exec=conky
[11:42] <bioterror> Ascavasaion, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ from the bottom you'll find some guides
[11:42] <gunndawg> I'll probably just make a bash script that auto starts it
[11:42] <gunndawg> can do it both ways
[11:53] <Puck`> lol
[11:54] <MrChrisDruif> Hmm?
[11:56] <gunndawg> bah
[11:56] <gunndawg> :)
[15:41] <MrChrisDruif> Bootable USB from mini ISO anyone?
[17:45] <kristian_> hello all
[17:45] <distort3d> hello
[17:46] <kristian_> I want user "guest" to only be able to see /home/guest - what is the clever way to do this?
[17:48] <kristian_> also, I'd like all broser cache etc swept when "user" logs out - should I script this or is there a native way?
[17:51] <holstein> kristian_: i would probably make another user account
[17:51] <holstein> a 'planned' guest account
[17:53] <kristian_> holstein, I already made the account, it's just the settings I'm trying to get right
[17:53] <holstein> i usually change the settings and comfirm
[17:54] <holstein> if its a situation where im a little paranoid
[17:55] <kristian_> I'm not really paranoid, it's jut to whoever borrows my box to check mail etc
[17:56] <kristian_> holstein, this is Lubuntu, btw - might be a bit different GUI than regular *buntu
[17:56] <holstein> not sure
[17:56] <holstein> the user account settings are probably similar
[17:57] <kristian_> I guess I could just hide /home/kristian
[17:58] <kristian_> I set - kristian: read and write -- group: none -- other: none
[17:59] <kristian_> chromium: Cannot set permissions on symlinks
[17:59] <kristian_> Safe Browsing Bloom Filter 2: Cannot set permissions on symlinks
[17:59] <kristian_> Local State: Cannot set permissions on symlinks
[17:59] <kristian_> .pulse: Cannot set permissions on symlinks
[17:59] <kristian_> grr.... and sorry for flooding
[17:59] <holstein> im not sure what you're going for
[18:00] <holstein> ive always just let people check mail from the guest account
[18:00] <holstein> in the browser
[18:00] <kristian_> holstein, I don' want the guest being able to see my stuff
[18:00] <kristian_> to be honest ;)
[18:00] <holstein> right
[18:00] <holstein> they cant go in you dir right?
[18:00] <holstein> your*
[18:00] <kristian_> yes they can, by default
[18:01] <holstein> i locked down peppermint OS
[18:01] <holstein> like that
[18:01] <holstein> recently
[18:01] <holstein> the user could see home dir
[18:01] <holstein> but not enter
[18:01] <holstein> thats LXDE
[18:01] <kristian_> I don't mind them seeing the dir
[18:01] <holstein> ubuntu 10.04 base
[18:02] <kristian_> this is lubuntu, should be similar
[18:02] <kristian_> lubuntu = ubuntu + lxde
[18:03] <holstein> i would think so
[18:03] <kristian_> just saw that I can't enter the hidden dirs in the /home/guest folder
[18:03] <holstein> it was fiddly
[18:03] <holstein> but i got it
[18:03] <holstein> i didnt check the 'guest' account
[18:03] <kristian_> it's not really an advanced setting to want... I guess there's a one-liner for it
[18:03] <holstein> i needed to make a seperate user
[18:04] <kristian_> I have the separate user
[18:05] <kristian_> hmm... I'll login from that accound, hang on
[18:11] <kristian_> holstein, it seems to work
[18:11] <kristian_> I can see there is a folder called "kristian" when logged in as guest - but I can't open it
[18:12] <kristian_> the funny thing is I can cd for instance "kristian/Downloads" and go there - but I cannot ls the directory
[18:17] <kristian_> aften
[18:17] <kristian_> det viser sig, at jeg har en fyr 200 meter væk, der sælger brugte thinkcentre en masse ;)
[18:18] <geirha> kristian_: English in here, please :)
[18:19] <seidos> danish?
[18:19] <holstein> kristian_: i didnt check Downloads in particular
[18:19] <holstein> but, thats about what i ended up with
[18:31] <geirha> Yes, that was danish.
[18:31] <hal9k2010> hello all
[18:37] <distort3d> http://pastebin.com/r2TgGUTZ
[18:58] <Guest13786> hi
[18:59] <Guest13786> can i get help with ubuntu  here?
[19:01] <Guest13786> well anyways i cant get internet to work on a new install of 10.10 studio
[19:02] <Daniel0108> hi Guest13786
[19:02] <Daniel0108> yes, you can get help here :) just ask your question
[19:02] <seidos> Guest13786: paste output of sudo lshw to paste.ubuntu.com
[19:02] <Guest13786> i rf-killed my wlan0
[19:02] <holstein> Guest13786: studdio doesnt come with the gnome network manager
[19:02] <holstein> studio*
[19:02] <Guest13786> and don't know how to turn it back on
[19:03] <holstein> problematic for wifi connections
[19:03] <seidos> Guest13786: type /nick <unique-nickname>
[19:03] <holstein> i usually suggest installing the nework manager
[19:03] <seidos> holstein: sudo apt-get install nm-applet?
[19:04] <holstein> seidos: i dont remember it thats the
[19:04] <holstein> main package
[19:04] <holstein> or not
[19:04] <holstein> nm-applet is what you need
[19:04] <holstein> well, what you can use*
[19:04] <Guest13786> it has the network manager, but once i got the aplet for it up in the tray and clicked it
[19:04] <Guest13786> and tryed the configure button
[19:04] <holstein> Guest13786: OK
[19:04] <holstein> so you added it back in
[19:04] <holstein> cool
[19:04] <seidos> Guest13786: you are already failing to follow instructions
[19:05] <holstein> i think its OK
[19:05] <Guest13786> it said it was disconected
[19:05] <holstein> to add it back in
[19:05] <holstein> you should be aware that the applet *can* cause xruns
[19:05] <holstein> and, you should also be aware that if you are not worried about xruns
[19:05] <holstein> you can just install vanilla buntu
[19:05] <holstein> and install whatever apps you want from the studio meta-packages
[19:06] <holstein> ubuntustudio = ubuntu
[19:07] <mybad> well i still need to get my wlan0 working it dosn't work in windows eather now
[19:07] <holstein> mybad: all that being said
[19:07] <holstein> lets trouble-shoot the net
[19:07] <holstein> mybad: this is a notebook?
[19:07] <holstein> you might try shutting down, pulling the battery out
[19:07] <mybad> compaq presario cq60
[19:07] <holstein> and letting it sit for a second
[19:07] <holstein> power it back up
[19:07] <mybad> atheros 5001
[19:08] <holstein> and double check the bios
[19:08] <seidos> mybad: do /nick mybad5001
[19:08] <holstein> and whatever hot keys enable/disable the WIFI
[19:09] <holstein> if it aint working in win or lin
[19:09] <mybad5001> there's a button but it just goes from diabled to off
[19:09] <holstein> i think its safe to assume a hardware issue
[19:09] <mybad5001> in windows
[19:09] <holstein> mybad5001: thats what you need to troubleshoot
[19:09] <holstein> either in windows or whatever
[19:09] <mybad5001> it worked befor i started trying to truble shoot on ubuntu
[19:09] <holstein> whereever you're most comfortable
[19:10] <seidos> holstein: i have ar5001 and it works fine
[19:10] <seidos> mybad5001: you still haven't copied the output of sudo lshw
[19:10] <holstein> mybad5001: let us know
[19:10] <holstein> after you pull the battery
[19:10] <holstein> and let it sit
[19:10] <holstein> and restart
[19:11] <holstein> and check the bios
[19:11] <mybad5001> sry not logged in
[19:11] <mybad5001> on linux yet
[19:11] <seidos> mybad5001: no worries
[19:11] <mybad5001> it happened vafter ifup --all --force
[19:12] <holstein> mybad5001: lets put that in the 'dont do again' pile :)
[19:13] <mybad5001> for sure
[19:16] <holstein> mybad5001: whats the word?
[19:16] <holstein> you understand what im suggesting?
[19:16] <holstein> power cord and battery out
[19:16] <holstein> for a little bit
[19:17] <holstein> minute or so
[19:17] <mybad5001> um, anything in particular your looking for in  <  lshw  >   i'm on another machine
[19:17] <holstein> i think theres a little reset button on the bottom of those too
[19:17] <holstein> if it comes to that
[19:17] <mybad5001> yes for reseting
[19:18] <mybad5001> i'm in ubuntu on my laptop
[19:18] <holstein> if what im proposing is correct
[19:19] <holstein> you wont be able to use the wifi in win or lin
[19:19] <holstein> til you do that
[19:19] <mybad5001> hmmm
[19:19] <mybad5001> i'll try it
[19:20] <mybad5001> happened late last night
[19:21] <mybad5001> i've been trubleshooting the internet on this thing for like a day and a half. shoulda just come here first
[19:21] <mybad5001> instead of the foroms
[19:22] <mybad5001> how long do you think i should wait till i put the battery back
[19:24] <holstein> mybad5001: minute or so should do it
[19:24] <holstein> IF thats the issue
[19:27] <johnny77> How do I turn on compositing in gnome?
[19:27] <paultag> johnny77: compiz --replace
[19:27] <paultag> is the easiest way
[19:28] <johnny77> i thought the default WM had compositing.
[19:28] <paultag> johnny77: metacity?
[19:28] <johnny77> yeah
[19:28] <paultag> johnny77: narp
[19:29] <johnny77> hmm, I guess then wikipedia is wrong.
[19:30] <johnny77> thanks, I guess I just won't worry about it them
[19:30] <johnny77> *then
[19:30] <paultag> johnny77: nowhere on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metacity does it say it can composite :)
[19:31] <johnny77> yes, but here is the comparison table it does http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_X_window_managers
[19:31] <kristian_> hurm, memtest++ says "Test #5" by now - does this mean I'm done?
[19:31] <paultag> johnny77: that's wrong :)
[19:32] <johnny77> I figured out that now. :)
[19:32] <kristian_> hi paultag
[19:32] <paultag> howdy kristian_
[19:35] <johnny77> Just out of curiousity, can you run any WM by itself kind of like Openbox or fluxbox?
[19:35] <paultag> johnny77: sure, just make sure it does not start *anything* on boot
[19:37] <johnny77> paultag: I've been liking fluxbox, but I might some other stuff out. I'd like to try a dock, but fluxbox can't run them.
[19:39] <paultag> johnny77: mm
[19:40] <johnny77> I like Ubuntu for the choices it gives me, but I can also spend my whole life trying each one....
[19:41] <kristian_> geirha, whoops, sorry about the language gaffe - thought I was somewhere else ;)
[19:42] <seidos> johnny77: i believe fluxbox has the potential for it, but it kind of defeats the purpose of fluxbox
[19:43] <johnny77> seidos: has the potential for a dock?
[19:44] <johnny77> paultag: Do you know if alt 1 is a default keybinding for anything in fluxbox?
[19:45] <paultag> don't think so
[19:46] <seidos> johnny77: yeah.  i'm sure it is possible for it to be programmed.  i couldn't do it though, and if i could i probably wouldn't
[19:49] <Ascavasaion> Hello all :)  HOw do I change resolution of my lubuntu desktop?  It only has 1024 x 768, 800x600 and 640x480.  How do I get it to go higher than 1024x768.  I know it can because windows ran higher.  It can run 1152x768 and 12080xsomething in windows.  Any advice?
[19:49] <Ascavasaion> 12080=1280
[19:49] <paultag> Ascavasaion: there are tons of lubuntuers here, hang around :)
[19:49] <Ascavasaion> paultag: :)
[19:49] <holstein> maybe http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=29
[19:49] <holstein> Ascavasaion: ^^
[19:55] <Ascavasaion> Okay, so that link never worked... the xrandr thing never worked... do I have to create an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file now?

[20:11] <Ascavasaion> Okay, I created an xorg.conf file.  I then ran it using X -config /etc/X11/xorg.conf -retro.  It opens the standard grey screen and the mouse crosshairs.  HOw do I get it to open the desktop now?
[20:11] <Ascavasaion> A simple reboot?
[20:12] <holstein> Ascavasaion: logout should do it
[20:12] <Ascavasaion> holstein: Trying it now :)
[20:14] <Ascavasaion> OI entered login and password in the gdm login screen and it hangs.
[20:16] <Ascavasaion> Ooooooookay, rebooting yet again.
[20:17] <Ascavasaion> This time it works... aargh... Linux = Windows hehe
[20:17] <Ascavasaion> Oh, and it defaulted back to 1024x768.  So much for an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file.
[20:19] <holstein> how about #lubuntu Ascavasaion
[20:19] <holstein> i remember doing it with a GUI
[20:20] <holstein> in LXDE
[20:20] <Ascavasaion> I asked there... no reply :)
[20:20] <Ascavasaion> GUI only lists the three resolutions I mentioned originally.
[20:20] <holstein> Ascavasaion: O I C
[20:20] <holstein> hmmm
[20:20] <zkriesse> Ascavasaion: Well did ya at least wait for a few minutes
[20:20] <Ascavasaion> zkriesse: Wait for what?
[20:21] <Ascavasaion> after I asked?
[20:21] <holstein> xorg would be my next effort
[20:21] <zkriesse> an answer for your question in #lubuntu
[20:21] <Ascavasaion> 1/2 an hour I have waited in #lubuntu so far hehe
[20:25] <zkriesse> Well ask again
[20:25] <zkriesse> People do sleep and stuff you know
[20:28] <Ascavasaion> zkriesse: hehe  Thanks man.
[20:28] <zkriesse> Just sayin
[20:36] <johnny77> Is compositing itself particularly RAM intensive?
[20:38] <Ascavasaion> I am going to bed.
[20:38] <Ascavasaion> n ight
[20:38] <Ascavasaion> Night
[21:08] <kristian_> hey all, remember the "sudden death" I talked about?
[21:08] <kristian_> I just ran a livecd and got logged out of gnome w/o warning
[21:08] <kristian_> an ubuntu livecd, actually... this should not happen
[21:21] <seidos> kristian_: sounds like a hardware problem.  you could create a bug from the livecd against the linux package
[21:25] <johnny77> I just installed docky from the repositories. The version I have is 2.0.7, but the website says the latest stable is 2.0.11. How do I update? Update Manager says there is not updates.
[21:28] <kristian_> my card is a Radeon HD 3450, btw
[21:28] <seidos> johnny77: check the web for a "docky ubuntu ppa"
[21:28] <johnny77> ok, thanks.
[21:28] <seidos> kristian_: paste lspci and sudo lshw, also dmesg
[21:30] <MrChrisDruif> ;invite bigpaudge
[21:31] <MrChrisDruif> What's this? I've got high enough level for invite? :D
[21:31] <MrChrisDruif> Or...didn't it work? :(
[21:33] <kristian_> seidos, thanks for input, in a conversation right now
[21:33] <seidos> MrChrisDruif: looks like trolling
[21:33] <MrChrisDruif> seidos: What does?
[21:34] <seidos> MrChrisDruif: being invited by bigpaudge
[21:34] <seidos> MrChrisDruif: ah, you tried to invite him, mea culpa
[21:34]  * seidos puts on the stone of shame
[21:34] <MrChrisDruif> xD
[21:34] <MrChrisDruif> :P
[21:34] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, he tried to get help in -team
[21:35] <MrChrisDruif> So I tried to invite him here :)
[21:35] <MrChrisDruif> But he left kinda grumpy....you can't win them all
[21:35] <aveilleux> teehee
[21:35] <aveilleux> "grumpy"
[21:35] <aveilleux> That's a funny word
[21:40] <seidos> if Obiwan see you using the force frivolously, he'll be "grumpy"
[21:41] <seidos> see=sees
[21:41] <MrChrisDruif> Yes, he will O:-)
[21:41] <MrChrisDruif> Like a good padawan I only use the force if I only have no other way :)
[21:43] <JustCJs> is KMS supported by NV?
[21:44] <MrChrisDruif> JustCJs: No :)
[21:46] <MrChrisDruif> But neither does Ati, if that soothes your mind :)
[21:58] <JustCJs> MrChrisDruif: thx, ;p
[21:58] <MrChrisDruif> Your welcome :)
[22:18] <shawn146> hello
[22:18] <MrChrisDruif> Hai
[22:18] <seidos> shawn146: hello
[22:19] <shawn146> can someone help me with installing ubuntu from text mode?
[22:19] <shawn146> i am at the partition step
[22:19] <shawn146> whats LVMand encrypted LVM?
[22:19] <seidos> shawn146: don't know.  i just did that install.  didn't use it.
[22:19] <shawn146> oh
[22:19] <shawn146> with text mode?
[22:20] <seidos> alternate iso?
[22:20] <MrChrisDruif> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lvm
[22:20] <seidos> not minimal cli right?
[22:20] <seidos> !lvm
[22:20] <ubot2> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO - For software RAID, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto
[22:20] <seidos> ah, software raid
[22:20] <MrChrisDruif> Well...that would work too :P
[22:21] <pleia2> shawn146: LVM is the logical volume manager, it helps you manage partitions (they can be resized across non-contiguous, backed up with snapshots and lots of other clever things)
[22:22] <MrChrisDruif> pleia2: The link I gave should cover it thoroughly :)
[22:23] <shawn146> oh
[22:23] <shawn146> do i want to enable that?
[22:23] <shawn146> or just the use whole harddrisk
[22:23] <shawn146> *harddisk
[22:24] <pleia2> LVM just complicates things if you're unfamiliar with it, just use the disk directly
[22:25] <shawn146> oh ok thanks :)
[22:25] <shawn146> this is also for a friend xD
[22:26] <MrChrisDruif> Good going shawn146 :)
[22:26] <shawn146> xD
[22:26] <shawn146> does text mode install install the same as it would in normal install?
[22:27] <shawn146> just easier to install and run the same?
[22:28] <JackyAlcine> o/
[22:28] <shawn146> ?
[22:31] <JackyAlcine> It's a way of saying hi to everyone. :)
[22:31] <MrChrisDruif> He wants a highfive back ;) \o
[22:33] <shawn146> but idk the answer
[22:36] <seidos> shawn146: if you select the minimal cli install, then no
[22:55] <shawn146> oh
[22:55] <shawn146> should i neable everything on what to install?
[22:55] <shawn146> the software selection?
[22:57] <shawn146> ?
[22:59] <JustCJs> ;) you can always install xorg later
[23:05] <shawn146> i mean check every thing on the list
[23:17] <marku828> hi there
[23:17] <marku828> can someone help me with the card reader on my netbook please
[23:19] <MrChrisDruif> marku828: Might be a good idea to post what kind of hardware your running O:-)
[23:20] <markus> hehehe this is all very new to me
[23:20] <markus> what info would you need exactly and where can i find it
[23:20] <markus> ;)
[23:21] <MrChrisDruif> markus: Are you the same as marku828?
[23:22] <markus> yes =)
[23:22] <MrChrisDruif> Alright...
[23:22] <MrChrisDruif> Well....a model of the netbook would help a lot :P
[23:22] <markus> acer aspire one d260-a
[23:23] <MrChrisDruif> (I'm just giving the rest a good base to help you...I'm not really cardreaders)
[23:25] <markus> its the inbuilt card reader...it works under windows but not under linux. its 10.1. netbook remix
[23:26] <MrChrisDruif> !0.1?
[23:26] <ubot2> Factoid '0.1?' not found
[23:26] <MrChrisDruif> Woops :P
[23:26] <MrChrisDruif> 10.1?
[23:26] <MrChrisDruif> You mean 10.10 UNE?
[23:27] <MrChrisDruif> UNE=Ubuntu Netbook Edition
[23:27] <markus> yes
[23:29] <shawn146> on the Software Selection page of ubuntu text install, shuold i chcek every box of software?
[23:30] <marku828> hmmm
[23:30] <marku828> why was i here twice
[23:30] <marku828> complpete rookie to all this i have to admit ;)
[23:32] <shawn146> ?
[23:40] <MrChrisDruif> marku828: I don't know what could be the problem....it seems card readers are problematic on AAO's :)
[23:42] <MrChrisDruif> shawn146: I don't know :)
[23:44] <marku828> AAO? MrChrisDruif ?
[23:44] <marku828> sorry
[23:44] <MrChrisDruif> Acer Aspire One :)
[23:44] <marku828> ah =
[23:44] <marku828> =)
[23:44] <marku828> sometimes thinking would help ;)
[23:44]  * MrChrisDruif = lazy ;)
[23:45] <shawn146> should i?
[23:45] <MrChrisDruif> I don't know what's on the list shawn146 :)
[23:45] <MrChrisDruif> You can always remove what you don't need
[23:45] <shawn146> oh lol
[23:49] <shawn146> servers an such
[23:50] <MrChrisDruif> Your doing a server install?
[23:51] <shawn146> no
[23:51] <shawn146> they are just options
[23:51] <shawn146> like SSH
[23:51] <shawn146> server
[23:51] <shawn146> and others
[23:51] <MrChrisDruif> Aha...
[23:51] <shawn146> as wel as desktop option, Xorg option
[23:51] <MrChrisDruif> Well...SSH might be handy for remote desktop...
[23:52] <shawn146> ah
[23:52] <shawn146> i enabled everything xD
[23:53] <MrChrisDruif> So you'll have a super-duper Ubuntu when your finished :D
[23:53] <MrChrisDruif> :P
[23:53] <shawn146> lol
[23:53] <shawn146> theres 40 GB's of hard drive
[23:53] <MrChrisDruif> Should be plenty :)
[23:54] <shawn146> http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n436/shawn146/100_1630.jpg
[23:55] <shawn146> i need help
[23:55] <shawn146> waht do i do here?
[23:56] <zkriesse> !ask
[23:56] <ubot2> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[23:56] <MrChrisDruif> Apply
[23:56] <MrChrisDruif> zkriesse: Please read back before posting something like that or did you just join?
[23:57] <zkriesse> Just popped in
[23:57] <shawn146> just apply?
[23:58] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, I think so... zkriesse, could you take a look too? http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n436/shawn146/100_1630.jpg
[23:58] <zkriesse> I'd think so (it'd follow common logic) but I don't claim to know anything about the server edition of ubuntu
[23:59] <zkriesse> Not yet anyway
[23:59] <shawn146> this isn;'t server edition
[23:59] <shawn146> tis a laptop
[23:59] <shawn146> 32
[23:59] <shawn146> bit