[06:32] <Matthew> jowi 5 packets transmitted, 0 received, +4 errors 100% packet loss
[06:32] <Matthew> jowi that doesn't sound good
[06:32] <kvarntun> why cant i listen to MP3 files? i have changed the music shit to ALSA..
[06:32] <fr500> hd420: hello
[06:32] <hd420> fr500: hello, mate
[06:32] <Jowi> Matthew: no, it's not good. is the cable connected properly to the router?
[06:32] <jeed890> yer some programs on the net avaliable for free can copy partitions for you
[06:32] <Danielle-> thanks, Jowi i wonder what's happening? i think another Ubuntu site was DDoSed the other day
[06:33] <jeed890> (toothpick)
[06:33] <fr500> hd420: type ip address list and see if the ip is already in the interface
[06:33] <Bufferfly>  i burnt ubuntu in the cdrom with nero, but it wont boot....bios options checked. any ideas?
[06:33] <toothpick> ls
[06:33] <Bufferfly> do i need to use a floppy or something?
[06:33] <Jowi> Danielle-: no idea. i posted there just 30 minutes ago and now impossible to get through
[06:33] <Dr_Willis> Bufferfly,  look at the cd.. whats on it. Lots of files? or a single whatever.iso ?
[06:33] <Matthew> jowi - it is properly connected, but i think i'm havving some kind of hardware issues
[06:33] <hd420> fr500: what's the command? ifconfig?
[06:33] <Matthew> jowi blinking lights and what hav eyou
[06:33] <fr500> nope
[06:33] <Bufferfly> good point
[06:34] <fr500> hd420: just $sudo ip address list
[06:34] <Bufferfly> Dr_Willis, ill have to check, load of files
[06:34] <Danielle-> it must be an attack then!
[06:34] <fr500> hd420: ifconfig is deprecated
[06:34] <Jowi> Matthew: try to put the cable into another port in the router, just to check
[06:34] <Matthew> jowi maybe the connection from the wall to dsl modem, or dsl modem to router is bad? but this comp is working ok
[06:34] <Matthew> jowi - its ok to do that while everything is up and running?
[06:34] <Jowi> Matthew: nope, your internet connection is fine
[06:34] <Kvarntun^SWE> why cant i listen to MP3 files? i have changed the music option to ALSA in the program and in the speaker on the desktop.......
[06:34] <Dr_Willis> Bufferfly,  oh.. thats a good sign. :P I normally use "Burn at once" to burn my .iso files.. it seems easier to use thennero for such  simple task.
[06:34] <hd420> fr500: yes, it is listed
[06:34] <orphaned> its for the Xerox Phaser 3116 printer
[06:34] <Dr_Willis> Bufferfly,  next thing would be to check the md5 sums of the .iso file and compare them to the sum on the download page.
[06:35] <Jowi> Matthew: yeah, you can replace the cables without affecting your internet connection or the connection for the working machine.
[06:35] <Bufferfly> ahh ok and that worked well for you? is it free?
[06:35] <hd420> pinging the router "Destination Host unreachable"
[06:35] <orphaned> anyone has the same?
[06:35] <moonstone> If somebody know how to setup Rosegarden4 with SB Live! Please let me know! (im dying trying)
[06:35] <Dr_Willis> Bufferfly,  yep.. hers the url....
[06:35] <Matthew> jowi - same result
[06:35] <jeed890> toothpick go to http://www.thefreecountry.com/utilities/partitioneditors.shtml
[06:35] <Dr_Willis> Bufferfly,  http://www.burnatonce.com/index.htm?downloads
[06:35] <Bufferfly> thanks Dr_Willis
[06:36] <Kvarntun^SWE> why cant i listen to MP3 files? i have changed the music option to ALSA in the program and in the speaker on the desktop.
[06:36] <Dr_Willis> Bufferfly,  i found some add on for windows xp that puts a 'cacluate hash values context menu' but cant find the site now. :()
[06:36] <fr500> hd420: type sudo ip address del <IP_ADDRESS>/24 dev eth0
[06:36] <fr500> hd420: replace the fields accordingly
[06:36] <Dr_Willis> Kvarntun^SWE,  you have check the ubuntu wikis? they give detailed docs on  that topic.
[06:36] <phiqtion> in what category inside sypnantic can i find other stuff like gnome and kde
[06:37] <Dr_Willis> phiqtion,  use the search for 'window manager'
[06:37] <Kvarntun^SWE> Dr_Willis, what? wikis?
[06:37] <Dr_Willis> Kvarntun^SWE,  time to learn about the VERY WELL done ubuntu documention. :P
[06:37] <hd420> RTNETLINK answers: Cannot assign requested address
[06:37] <rambo3> its like wiskas , only not cat food
[06:37] <Kvarntun^SWE> okej?
[06:37] <WildZeck> lol
[06:37] <phiqtion> Dr_Willis: can i run windows xp inside linux?
[06:37] <Dr_Willis> Kvarntun^SWE,  check the topic..the url is there...
[06:38] <Kvarntun^SWE> okok
[06:38] <orphaned> cant anyone help me? the Wiki instruction didn't work
[06:38] <Dr_Willis> phiqtion,  yes... with the right stuff... but why bother. :P
[06:38] <Jowi> Matthew: ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS> broadcast <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:38] <rambo3> what programs do you need windows for?
[06:38] <Kvarntun^SWE> wich shall i copy Dr_Willis ?
[06:39] <Dr_Willis> Kvarntun^SWE,  huh?
[06:39] <fr500> hd420: pm me
[06:39] <Kvarntun^SWE> wich of the URL:s shall i take?
[06:39] <rambo3> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[06:39] <Matthew> jowi - "host name lookup failure"
[06:39] <Dr_Willis> Kvarntun^SWE,  the one with wiki and ubuntu in it. :P
[06:39] <Jowi> Matthew: "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart"
[06:39] <hd420> fr500: yes
[06:40] <SWAT> bor, ping
[06:40] <Matthew> jowi ok
[06:40] <Matthew> jowi should there be an "up" at the end of that long entry?
[06:41] <raimian> a little box with a speaker and a loading bar keeps appearing then dissapearing, that do i do?????????
[06:41] <Matthew> jowi that doesn't help either
[06:41] <Matthew> hee hee
[06:41] <Jowi> Matthew: you have gnome installed or just the command line?
[06:42] <raimian> help!
[06:43] <soeme> !german
[06:43] <ubotu> soeme: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[06:43] <Matthew> jowi just the command line i think
[06:43] <Matthew> i did a "server" install
[06:43] <Danielle-> Jowi-: forums seem fine now. do you know pingplotter for windows? is there a similar program for Ubuntu?
[06:43] <Matthew> the whole point of that is to be un-gnomed. :v)
[06:43] <Agrajag> !de
[06:43] <ubotu> de is, like, Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de
[06:43] <Agrajag> is that what you wanted?
[06:43] <raimian> ubuntu is CRAP 4 hours to install and it dont even work
[06:44] <kibab> raimian: about 30 minutes for me and it worked great.
[06:44] <Jowi> Matthew: ok. lets see if your /etc/network/interfaces is ok. do you have a "iface lo..." and a "iface eth0..." in there? ("cat /etc/networking/interfaces")
[06:44] <fr500> raimian: what computer?
[06:44] <fr500> raimian: took little more than 30min
[06:44] <raimian> a saintsong
[06:44] <fr500> flawless now
[06:44] <Agrajag> raimian: maybe if you asked a specific question instead of "help!" we'd be able to help you
[06:45] <raimian> nothing on it works, it starts up, i login, then the whole thing freezes up
[06:45] <Matthew> jowi - i odn't have /etc/networking/
[06:45] <Matthew> i have /etc/network
[06:46] <Matthew> but it doesn't have those files
[06:46] <Jowi> Matthew: sorry. yeah, /etc/network/interfaces
[06:46] <Jowi> Matthew: nothing at all in there?
[06:46] <Matthew> jowi - yes... sorry...
[06:46] <Matthew> auto lo
[06:47] <Matthew> iface lo inet loopback
[06:47] <Matthew> mapping hotplug script grep, map eth0
[06:47] <kibab> Jowi: offhand... how do you configure /etc/network/interfaces post-install?
[06:47] <Matthew> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[06:47] <Kyral> sudo!
[06:47] <Kyral> oh wait this is in a script lol
[06:47] <Jowi> Matthew: looks good.
[06:47] <Dr_Willis> raimian,  4 hrs? gesh whats your machine cpu/specs anyway?
[06:48] <zumanchuz> Hi, I have a relatively easy question. I'm running hoary and I want to upgrade to Breezy. I would like to do a dist-upgrade in hoary. The problem is that I'm running it on a tablet pc and currently my custom kernel works with my stylus. I was wondering if after I do the upgrade I would have to produce another custom kernel?
[06:48] <bshumate> raimian: the fact that it required four hours indicates you either have some seriously broken hardware, or a badly corrupted install media
[06:48] <Kyral> zumanchuz: I don't think so
[06:48] <zumanchuz> sweet thanks kyral
[06:48] <pawdro> hi, if i want to compile the latest kernel in breezy, do i only have to download kernel from kernel.org?
[06:49] <Kyral> you'd have to reedit your /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:49] <Kyral> to put the kernel back on the list though
[06:49] <Jowi> Matthew: just to make sure it is not the cable maybe you should take the cable from the win box and put it straight to the linux box. then do "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart" (this will shut down your internet connection for the win box of course)
[06:49] <perco_> How do I open .deb-files in ubuntu?
[06:49] <rambo3> the time and space and kernel will have to change
[06:49] <Jowi> kibab: by hand work fine :-)
[06:49] <Kyral> perco_: dpkg
[06:49] <Kyral> to install use sudo dpkg -i </path/to/file>
[06:50] <bshumate> pawdro: no-  check this out instead : https://wiki.ubuntu.com//KernelHowto
[06:50] <kibab> Jowi: yeah... I just had a friend give me a copy of his... but I was hoping there was some tool to do it for me.
[06:50] <orphaned> Madpilot: can you help me with my Xerox printer, its a Phaser 3116
[06:50] <Matthew-> jowi are you still here?
[06:50] <Jowi> Matthew-: just to make sure it is not the cable maybe you should take the cable from the win box and put it straight to the linux box. then do "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart" (this will shut down your internet connection for the win box of course)
[06:50] <cion> hey if i install xfce can I uninstall Gnome desktop?
[06:50] <cion> is it safe to do so?
[06:50] <Matthew-> jowi - win box is wireless
[06:50] <SWAT> bor, ping
[06:50] <Toran> hey guys, how can I make "irc://" links work in firefox?
[06:50] <Jowi> Matthew: ouch. ok.
[06:51] <meepy> I love ubunutu <3
[06:51] <Dr_Willis> cion,  keep gnome.
[06:51] <Jowi> Matthew: well, this is getting complex. do you have the login/password for the router?
[06:52] <Matthew-> jowi. i do. should i try it from this linux box or fire up the desktop with physical connection to box?
[06:52] <Matthew-> jowi i don't know if i can access it from this computer (wireless)
[06:52] <cion> is a ubuntu version coming out of the box with xfce only?
[06:53] <Matthew-> cion search for xubuntu
[06:53] <Kyral> cion: I think for Dapper ISOs will be available
[06:53] <Jowi> Matthew: you can not even ping the router from the linux box so that's a no go. if you log in to the router and check if it can see the linux box in "connected devices" or something similar.
[06:53] <Matthew-> cion i dunno if they have cds yet tho
[06:53] <cion> :( 2bad
[06:53] <Kyral> cion: You can do it if you do a server install, add Multiverse and Universe, and then sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[06:53] <Matthew-> booting
[06:54] <phiqtion> my emulator "zsnes" doesn't have sound. any ideas?
[06:54] <cion> where do i find instructions to that Kyral?
[06:54] <Matthew-> jowi - i was trying to follow kyral's advice there. but that doesn't work well without internet.
[06:54] <Matthew-> also , why bother if no internet?
[06:54] <Jowi> Matthew-: doesn't matter if you do it wirelessly or not. we're not gonna change any settings in the router
[06:55] <Matthew-> jowi - it doesn't show up
[06:55] <cion> ok having a wireless lan connection I think uninstalling gnome would become a pain in the a... right?
[06:55] <Jowi> Matthew-: maybe you should see if a restart of the linux box help. It might be the cable but impossible to say.
[06:56] <Jowi> cion: some gnome apps may not work. if you have the space it is easier just to leave it on the machine.
[06:58] <Jowi> Matthew-: is "dhcp" activated in the router, and have you perhaps set up an "access list" in it? if you have set up trusted clients in the router that might be why the linux box cannot connect...
[06:58] <Matthew-> jowi - it sort o fhangs on "waiting for network interface to come up"
[06:59] <Jowi> Matthew: that means that it tries to get an ip-address from the router but fail.
[06:59] <cion> ok
[07:00] <filou10> Hi
[07:00] <Matthew-> ok. its rebooted
[07:00] <Matthew-> the name resolution thing failed.
[07:00] <Matthew-> i will try the other cable, yes?
[07:00] <Jowi> Matthew-: I would first check the router settings to see if you have any filters/accesslist configured (if you do, remove them). Then try another cable.
[07:00] <filou10> I have installed courier-imap but I have a question: if I create a new user using adduser, what do i need to do for courier to automatically create a new IMAP user too ?
[07:01] <Jowi> Matthew-: yeah. my gut say its the cable. i think your network card is ok and your router seem to work just fine.
[07:02] <Matthew-> netsplit?
[07:03] <Matthew-> jowi am i still here?
[07:03] <bullitt> you are still here to me
[07:03] <Happuf> Matthew-: Yes youare.
[07:03] <bullitt> haha
[07:03] <Happuf> :D
[07:03] <Matthew-> LOL sorry. it said i had left
[07:03] <Happuf> Split happens :D
[07:03] <Matthew-> Jowi - i have now plugged in the other cable. reboot again?
[07:03] <Happuf> Hehe.
[07:03] <Jowi> Matthew-: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[07:04] <stjepan> hi
[07:04] <stjepan> anyone of you has graphics card Gainward GF?
[07:06] <Jowi> Matthew-: brb
[07:06] <Matthew-> ok. i forgot who to ping
[07:06] <Matthew-> :)
[07:06] <noplease> hi
[07:07] <bullitt> I'm getting a msg when I run a script I just wrote.  this is the line is has a problem with: export EPSXE='/usr/local/games/epsxe'  and the error I get is 'usr/local/games/epsxe' is not a valid identifier.  the directory does exist, and the scripts permission is 777
[07:08] <Jowi> Matthew-: any luck? you have an ip address?
[07:08] <Matthew-> jowi no. and i lost the part above where you told me what to type
[07:08] <Matthew-> i rebooted
[07:08] <Matthew-> :v)
[07:09] <Jowi> Matthew-: that's fine. so is it rebooted and did it help?
[07:09] <Matthew-> jowi - but it looks like i'm hung at waiting for network interface again
[07:09] <Matthew-> waiting for it to finish
[07:09] <Katsumiro> what?
[07:10] <Jowi> Matthew-: if this doesn't help, last advice i can give you is to reset the router. if that doesn't do it; search the forum for your excact network card to see if there is any issues. strange.
[07:10] <Matthew-> ok jowi. i type ifconfig and i've got no inet address
[07:10] <Jowi> Matthew-: was afraid of that
[07:10] <robotgeek> bullitt: you basically need export PATH, see your .bash_profile for a way to add the path correctly
[07:11] <Matthew-> what did you tell me to type above that gave it one?
[07:11] <bshumate> bullitt : try without the single quotes (') you should not need those
[07:11] <Jowi> Matthew-: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[07:11] <Matthew-> jowi no i meant the one where we gave it an ip
[07:11] <Jowi> Matthew-: ifconfig eth0 inet <IP_ADDRESS> up
[07:11] <robotgeek> bullitt: nvm, my bad
[07:13] <ubuntu_> oi
[07:14] <Matthew-> jowi. no good. :v(  thank you so much for all your help though. one more question - is it possible to setup a wireless driver through ndiswrapper with only the command line?
[07:14] <robotgeek_away> ubotu: tell Matthew- about ndiswrapper
[07:14] <sunshine82> i have a canon canoscan lide 20 scanner i cant get it to work please help
[07:14] <Jowi> Matthew-: yep, think with iwconfig.
[07:14] <Jowi> !ndiswrapper
[07:14] <ubotu> methinks ndiswrapper is a way to support Windows wireless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[07:14] <sunshine82> ive checked the device mangger it has picked it up it a usb scanner
[07:15] <pawdro> why i cant find in apt-cache search the latest kernel source
[07:15] <pawdro> ?
[07:15] <Matthew-> jowi i don't know how to use the ! . where do i type it
[07:16] <Jowi> Matthew-: no idea. never set up a wireless card in linux. :-)
[07:16] <Mazoku> pawdro sudo apt-get update?
[07:16] <pawdro> nope
[07:16] <pawdro> ;]
[07:16] <Matthew-> jowi--- but you keep typing things like !<thing>
[07:16] <Matthew-> jowi i don't know what tha tmeans
[07:17] <pawdro> now yes, but no latest kernel
[07:17] <pawdro> what to add to sorces.list
[07:17] <pawdro> ?
[07:17] <sunshine82> how do get it work
[07:17] <Dr_Willis> sunshine82,  check the SANE homepage for how well that scanner is supported.
[07:17] <Jowi> Matthew-: that is to tell ubotu the bot to print things
[07:18] <Jowi> !tell Matthew- about ndiswrapper
[07:18] <Matthew-> !ndiswrapper
[07:18] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ndiswrapper is a way to support Windows wireless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> !ipv6
[07:18] <ubotu> Dr_Willis: Do they come in packets of five?
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> heh.
[07:18] <pawdro> i cant find <IP_ADDRESS> in apt-cache search
[07:19] <Matthew-> thanks. hee hee
[07:19] <pawdro> what to do?
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> is there a reason ipv6 is enabled by default? is there a good reason to try to disable it?
[07:19] <webwolf_27> pawdro, you can always custom build from the sources
[07:19] <Matthew-> !iwconfig
[07:19] <ubotu> Matthew-: I don't know
[07:19] <bshumate> pawdro: if you need the absolute latest kernel, e.g. 2.6.14 or so, then you may have to do it all by hand, and it may not be a lot of fun for you...
[07:20] <Jowi> Dr_Willis: I have no use for it, so i disabled it.
[07:20] <linux_n00b_e> How do I add the Flash player plug-in to my Firefox Browser?
[07:20] <Dr_Willis> Jowi,  yea.. id  eard it could slow some things down.. but seen no proof of that
[07:20] <Jowi> Dr_Willis: I removed it totally from my kernel to speed it up and got rid of some modules (a whooole bunch of them)
[07:20] <madboar> Hello. I was wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction for configuring ssh-agent for my X sessions in ubuntu
[07:20] <webwolf_27> linux_n00b_e, depends, do you want the newest one
[07:20] <jc-denton> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-78597.html
[07:20] <pawdro> in apt-get cache search i can find only 2.6.12 source
[07:20] <kaur> hi
[07:21] <pawdro> not latest
[07:21] <madboar> i have tried adding to .xsessions etc, but with no luck ...
[07:21] <jc-denton> i have the same problem with eclipse on ubuntu breezy
[07:21] <Matthew-> jowie thank you so much for your help. i am going to try to get the wireless card up, if possible...
[07:21] <korhalf> no one in the #openoffice.org room is talking
[07:21] <korhalf> so ill ask here
[07:21] <jc-denton> The file /usr/share/eclipse/debian/help.htm cannot be found. Please check the location and try again."
[07:21] <korhalf> i try to use the Report Wizard but it just opens OO Writer
[07:21] <Mazoku> pawdro kernel.org here you find new kernel
[07:21] <Jowi> Matthew-: no probs, good luck!
[07:21] <jc-denton> there is also no eclipse-doc package
[07:21] <kaur> could anyone help me with local network problem?
[07:21] <korhalf> theres no wizard at all
[07:21] <korhalf> whats up with that?
[07:21] <jc-denton> does anybody here use eclipse under breezy
[07:21] <jc-denton> ?
[07:21] <linux_n00b_e> Yes, i want the absolute latest Player. I think it's 8. can't I just download it direct from Macromedia's website?
[07:21] <kaur> the computer running ubuntu can access to the computer running xp
[07:22] <kaur> but not via versa
[07:22] <pawdro> so i can download and compile dowloaded kernel compile?
[07:22] <sunshine82> dr_willis i dont know what this mean http://www.sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html#Z-CANON
[07:22] <pawdro> compile downloaded kernel*
[07:22] <Mazoku> pawdro yeap
[07:22] <bshumate> pawdro: yes, this is normal.  the latest kernel will put you on the cutting edge, and may cause more trouble than it is worth unless you really know what you are doing.  is there a valid reason why you must have the latest kernel?  if not, then there is no need to use it...
[07:22] <sunshine82> dr_willis under canoscan lide 20
[07:23] <viller> hi
[07:23] <sunshine82> what plustek
[07:23] <viller> where's the community artwork page at ubuntulinux.org wiki??
[07:23] <pawdro> i want to compile the kernel on my own to make kernel the best suitable for my comp
[07:24] <linux_n00b_e> Anybody know how to add the Flash Player 8 plug-in to the Firefox Browser?
[07:24] <viller> where's the community artwork page at ubuntulinux.org wiki??
[07:24] <webwolf_27> pawdro, download it from kernel.org
[07:24] <rambo3> ever considerd gentoo then
[07:24] <bshumate> if that is all you want to do, then use the current Ubuntu *supported* kernel (e.g. 2.6.12) and the link i sent you earlier as a guide
[07:24] <webwolf_27> linux_n00b_e, flash player 8 for linux isn't released yet
[07:25] <Dr_Willis> sunshine82,  CanoScan LiDE20    complete, plustek, sane-plustek   -
[07:25] <sunshine82> i need to get sane-plustek.5
[07:25] <Dr_Willis> sunshine82,  that looks promising tome.
[07:25] <pawdro> ok ill compile like i did it on theres linux'es
[07:25] <madboar> Hello. I was wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction for configuring ssh-agent to be started automatically for my X sessions in ubuntu?
[07:25] <Dr_Willis> :P yep.. whats what i was going to say
[07:26] <sunshine82> dr_willis what does it all mean
[07:26] <flevour> hi all
[07:26] <Dr_Willis> sunshine82,  means the scanner makers are idiots :P and the SANE guys have to have different libraries and tools to access different ones..
[07:26] <sunshine82> dr_willis how do i get this file
[07:27] <smarco> does ubuntu have different branches like stable, unstable, insanely_unstable ?
[07:27] <Dr_Willis> sunshine82,  no clue there.. i dont seeit in SYnaptic
[07:27] <linux_n00b_e> Ok, I'm actually using Kubuntu, but I downloaded the Firefox browser thru adept last night and when i went to Macromedia's site to check some infor for a Flash project I'm working on, the site said that I might not have everything needed to properly view the site.....
[07:27] <Dr_Willis> sunshine82,  may have to check the Ubuntu wiki/forums for the best way
[07:27] <madboar> so .... starting applications on X session startup?
[07:27] <Dr_Willis> madboar,  depends onyour window manager.
[07:27] <Matthew-> simple question... when i click, ls /(directoryname), sometimes the results are more than one screen can display. any way to "scroll up"
[07:27] <Matthew-> and see?
[07:28] <madboar> Dr_Willis: just standard gnome with ubuntu
[07:28] <Matthew-> or, do something like dos dir /p ?
[07:28] <flevour> i am trying to connect with mysql to a server running "mysql  Ver 14.7 Distrib 4.1.11, for unknown-freebsd5.4 (i386)" while the latest update in ubuntu is "mysql  Ver 12.22 Distrib 4.0.24, for pc-linux-gnu (x86_64)" and I get this error: "ERROR 1251: Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server; consider upgrading MySQL client", is there any repository i can add to sources-list to get the latest mysql version?
[07:28] <tonyyarusso> I'm getting an error message while trying to run a 'configure' file out of a tar.gz package, and I'm getting an error that the C compile can not create executables.  I saw this on a previous installation, but don't remember how I fixed it.
[07:28] <tonyyarusso> *C compiler
[07:28] <Dr_Willis> madboar,  gnome has its 'session management' feature thats what you want to look into. depending on the actual program you are wanting to start
[07:28] <Sanne> Matthew-: shift-page up or scrollwheel to scroll up
[07:28] <linux_n00b_e> Did you unpack the tar first?
[07:28] <Dr_Willis> madboar,  start it up.. "save session" there ya go. (in many cases) it will reload from then on.
[07:28] <tonyyarusso> Yes.
[07:28] <madboar> ok, i'm trying to get ssh-agent to start automagically. .xsessions didn;t work.
[07:29] <jc-denton> "The Help system has been disabled completely because we don't yet have a free Tomcat. Working on that. Enjoy."
[07:29] <Sanne> Matthew-: for /p use the pipe and more, like this: ls -l | more
[07:29] <Matthew-> nice sanne. you've saved me hours of additional heartache. :v)
[07:29] <jc-denton> sry i found it
[07:29] <madboar> oh, i'll try starting ssh-agent and see if i can save it.
[07:29] <jc-denton> but just not work is not really disabled
[07:29] <webwolf_27> tonyyarusso, install gcc
[07:29] <Dr_Willis> madboar,  i saw somthing about taht on a faq/forum in the ubuntu forums just the other day I think.
[07:29] <Millenniumgroup> JC Denton :O im honered to finally meet ya... I thought I killed you in Deus Ex 2 but ok
[07:29] <Millenniumgroup> ;)
[07:29] <Millenniumgroup> honored*
[07:29] <tonyyarusso> webwolf_27: It is installed.
[07:29] <madboar> really? hrm. must have missed it. this channel seems a bit busy. I'll go read some more.
[07:30] <madboar> thanks anyway.
[07:30] <Sanne> Matthew-: ot pipe the output through the pager less, like this: "ls | less" then you can scroll with the cursor keys
[07:30] <webwolf_27> tonyyarusso, look for cc
[07:30] <tonyyarusso> webwolf_27: I know gcc worked for this before, but only after I did something, which was a one-time fix.
[07:30] <Sanne> Matthew-: I'm done now ;)
[07:31] <pawdro> can i delete all headers folders from /usr/src when i want to compile kernel from scratch
[07:31] <pawdro> ?
[07:31] <lukus001> I installed a program this morning, but i dont know how to launch it? its installed to /usr/local ?
[07:31] <Matthew-> sanne. too much for me to remember right now. will stick to shift + pageup
[07:31] <Matthew-> :v)
[07:31] <Sanne> Matthew-: ok, that will do for now :)
[07:31] <rambo3> you can uninstall them
[07:31] <webwolf_27> tonyyarusso, what are you trying to compile
[07:31] <Mazoku> pawdro https://wiki.ubuntu.com//KernelHowto i think it`s help you little
[07:32] <Dr_Willis> madboar,  i thinkit was under the 'customization' or 'ssh threads'
[07:32] <Stork> how can i remove a partition?
[07:32] <Stork> i know nothing about this :p
[07:32] <sunshine82> dr_willis =im in the forum and it say this sudo chmod a+rw /proc/bus/usb/*/*
[07:32] <sunshine82>  what do i put in the *
[07:32] <tonyyarusso> webwolf_27: xosd.
[07:32] <Dr_Willis> sunshine82,  for your scanner?
[07:32] <Matthew-> anyone here use ndiswrapper ? from the command line?  it says on their website that i need to have kernal sources present
[07:32] <rambo3> tab your way
[07:32] <Dr_Willis> sunshine82,  :P that will let users access that device.. so.. :P one way to see if it works.
[07:33] <rambo3> oh * =all
[07:33] <rambo3> dont change
[07:33] <Stork> how can i remove a partition?
[07:33] <Stork> remove and delete
[07:33] <Hellfried> i have this problem where my recently hoary -> breezy upgraded hangs spontaneously.  when I start ubuntu in safety mode (or what was it called in grub?) it does *not* crash.  I'm seeing that ACPI services are started after that, could that be it maybe?
[07:33] <Stork> so i have all my hd
[07:33] <deltron> cfdisk
[07:34] <Stork> i want to merge all my partitions back into one plain hd
[07:34] <tonyyarusso> webwolf_27: It says "see config.log for details" if you want me to pastebin that.
[07:34] <webwolf_27> tonyyarusso, ok I don't know that software, did you try configure --help
[07:34] <deltron> oh
[07:34] <lukus001> does anyone know how i can launch an app ive installed? when i dont know the terminal launching name thingy ^^
[07:34] <webwolf_27> tonyyarusso, that would be a good start
[07:34] <rambo3> MAtthew , when in doubt use wiki  search
[07:34] <deltron> lukus001: you can drop to a shell and run it from there
[07:35] <webwolf_27> lukus001, normally the name of the app
[07:35] <Dr_Willis> lukus001,  use synaptic and checkthe package and see what files it did install..
[07:35] <Dr_Willis> lukus001,  thus getting the name to use from there.
[07:35] <meepy> Ubunto for the win!
[07:35] <lukus001> i never used synaptic, and i tried the app name but no sucess
[07:36] <lukus001> maybe i didnt install it properly? but the dolder and everything is there
[07:36] <lukus001> folder * ^^
[07:36] <Sanne> lukus001: which app is this?
[07:36] <tonyyarusso> webwolf_27: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/5487
[07:36] <Stork> does anyone have a really simple tutorial to partitioning? i don't understand any of "cfdisk"
[07:37] <Dr_Willis> Stork,  its a rather interesting topic. :P
[07:37] <Dr_Willis> Stork,  you wanting to keep your data on the hd?
[07:37] <Stork> nope
[07:37] <lukus001> sanne, 3delight, a 3d modleing app
[07:37] <Stork> i just want to delete everything (except the bit i'm using) so i have more space
[07:37] <Sanne> lukus001: how did you install it?
[07:37] <sunshine82> dr_willis ok i di sudo xsane and it work but now when i go graphic xsane it does reconise the scanner
[07:37] <Dr_Willis> Stork,  you going to reinstall an os to the drive?
[07:37] <Stork> nope
[07:37] <Stork> i want to keep my files on the current disk/partition/bit
[07:38] <Dr_Willis> Stork,  so you Want to KEEP  your data then? that makes it harder
[07:38] <lukus001> sanne, downloaded, followed instuctions (.install) then "unset DELIGHT" and "source" some file
[07:38] <Stork> on this partition, but not the other one
[07:38] <webwolf_27> tonyyarusso, you don'T appear to have a linker installed
[07:38] <sunshine82> dr_willis how come i can only get it through sudo
[07:38] <Dr_Willis> Stork,  so you want to merge your esisting partition with the OTHER one?
[07:39] <tonyyarusso> webwolf_27: What's that?
[07:39] <lukus001> sanne, but it never said what name you need to use to launch it
[07:39] <Dr_Willis> sunshine82,  no clue. permission issues most likely.
[07:39] <webwolf_27> tonyyarusso, or your missing libtool
[07:39] <ishit> how do i instal a tar.gz file in ubuntu
[07:39] <Stork> Dr_Willis, well, merge that one with this one, same thing i gues
[07:39] <rambo3> Stork isnt there gnome frontend for fdisk . like gparted ?
[07:39] <Sanne> lukus001: ah, it's proprietary. So you would need to guess where the executable got installed. Usually those apps put an executable symlink in /usr/local/bin, is it there, and is it executable? Can you look?
[07:39] <javi_> hi, anyone could said me where can I get a ubuntu kernel with AC patches applied ?
[07:39] <Dr_Willis> Stork,  qtparted, or gparted. from a live cd  - is proberly your best bet..
[07:40] <Stork> alex@ubuntu:~/Programs/azureus$ gparted
[07:40] <Stork> bash: gparted: command not found
[07:40] <tonyyarusso> webwolf_27: That second one might be it.  Missing development libraries seems to ring a bell.
[07:40] <Dr_Willis> Stork,  you SHOULD also backup all your impornt data first
[07:40] <sunshine82> dr_willis ok so hw do i do this  sudo chmod a+rw /proc/bus/usb/*/*
[07:40] <webwolf_27> tonyyarusso, the compiler creates object files, these arn't executable, the linker combines all needed object files to an executable
[07:40] <webwolf_27> tonyyarusso, check libtool first though
[07:40] <Dr_Willis> Stork,  and you dont want to 'merge' them on a system you are runnng from. Hence the live cd.
[07:41] <lukus001> sanne, theres a few file in the bin directory, but should i just try them all? they all have a purple dimon icon btw (=executable?)
[07:41] <Dr_Willis> sunshine82,  what do youmean how?  thats a command you typoe in the shell.
[07:41] <Stork> Dr_Willis, bah, i'll do that later :p
[07:41] <Sanne> lukus001: just a shot in the dark, can you open a terminal, type 3d<tab> and see if it finds the correct name?
[07:41] <sunshine82> dr_willis but it has * what does what do i put there sudo chmod a+rw /proc/bus/usb/*/*
[07:42] <Dr_Willis> sunshine82,  bash fundamentals.. a * is a wildcard.
[07:42] <tonyyarusso> webwolf_27: That fixed the first problem, now I got something else.
[07:42] <Dr_Willis> sunshine82,  that is changeing permissions on everything in those dirs
[07:42] <lukus001> sanne, bah displayed error with 3d<tab>
[07:42] <lukus001> bash*
[07:42] <webwolf_27> tonyyarusso, ok ... what something else
[07:42] <tonyyarusso> webwolf_27: configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[07:42] <sunshine82> dr_willis so i dont need to change them
[07:42] <ishit> if i hav a tar.gz installation file. how do i instal it in linux
[07:42] <lukus001> sanne, i think i probabily didnt install it properly, i'll start from the begining again, thanks for the help =)
[07:42] <ishit> in ubuntu
[07:43] <Sanne> lukus001: ok, good luck :)
[07:43] <webwolf_27> tonyyarusso, did you compile g++ by hand?
[07:43] <NoUse> ishit what program is this?
[07:43] <Dr_Willis> sunshine82,  i dont know.. you said the forum said to change them.    good luck.. worktime for me.
[07:43] <ishit> gyach
[07:43] <tonyyarusso> webwolf_27: Nope.  apt-get gcc was all I did.
[07:44] <webwolf_27> tonyyarusso, run locate cpp
[07:44] <ishit> oops sorry its tar.bz
[07:44] <NoUse> ishit you know that gaim can connect to yahoo right?
[07:44] <rambo3> you mean g++
[07:44] <ishit> ya but gyach has better features
[07:44] <tonyyarusso> webwolf_27: Am I looking for anything particular in this output?
[07:45] <webwolf_27> tonyyarusso, libstdc++ will need to be installed, as will g++
[07:45] <webwolf_27> rambo3, yes thats even better
[07:45] <NoUse> ishit unpack the file and ready the INSTALL snd/or README file
[07:45] <tonyyarusso> webwolf_27: I do see a /usr/bin/cpp as well as cpp-4.0, btw.
[07:45] <ishit> wats the command plz
[07:46] <cdubya> is there a gui for gpg?
[07:46] <cdubya> tonyyarusso, you ever get that samba stuff worked out?
[07:46] <NoUse> ishit tar jxvf file.tar.bz
[07:46] <webwolf_27> cdubya, look at kgpg
[07:46] <tonyyarusso> cdubya: No, sadly.
[07:46] <HighHopes> Hello ! Is it possible to have root access in Ubuntu? .. su, not sudo
[07:46] <rambo3> !wiki
[07:46] <pawdro> i've which processor type i should choose during compiling a kernel? ive got 1.2 GHz P3
[07:47] <cdubya> webwolf_27, k, used that before.....thanks
[07:47] <Exxcaliber> HighHopes, yeah, just do sudo su
[07:47] <Exxcaliber> :P
[07:47] <tonyyarusso> webwolf_27: Couldn't find package libstdc
[07:47] <HighHopes> Exxcaliber, thanks!
[07:47] <Exxcaliber> HighHopes, np
[07:47] <cdubya> tonyyarusso, sorry I missed you, I checked in very briefly Sat, but had to go out of town for a bit and never got a chance to get back to it....
[07:47] <webwolf_27> tonyyarusso, then run apt-get install libstdc++
[07:48] <cdubya> tonyyarusso, if you still want to give it a shot, I'll probably be on quite awhile later tonight....I'm CST.
[07:48] <tonyyarusso> cdubya: np.  I ended up doing a bunch of other system stuff to in the meantime.
[07:48] <tonyyarusso> dubya: We could do that.
[07:48] <ishit> its givin an error
[07:48] <tonyyarusso> webwolf_27: That's exactly what I did; I don't know why the ++ was dropped.
[07:49] <cdubya> tonyyarusso, it will realistically probably be 11pm CST before I have any time tonight reasonably speaking....I don't get out of class until 9:30pm and have a drive to go home in the snow this evening....
[07:49] <cdubya> but I'll be happy to give it a shot if you want
[07:49] <webwolf_27> tonyyarusso, nor do I, thats odd. run apt-cache search libstdc
[07:49] <tonyyarusso> cdubya: Sure.
[07:49] <sunshine82> how do i do this command http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/5488
[07:50] <webwolf_27> pawdro, i586 is a safe bet
[07:51] <tonyyarusso> webwolf_27: libstdc++6 maybe?
[07:51] <webwolf_27> tonyyarusso, yep
[07:51] <sunshine82> ive done sudo chmod a+rw /proc/bus/usb/*/*
[07:51] <pawdro> ok
[07:51] <sunshine82> but how do i do the rest
[07:51] <Jowi> pawdro: for P3 you should choose "Pentium-III/Celeron(Coppermine)/Pentium-III Xeon) probably.
[07:52] <webwolf_27> tonyyarusso, doh!! thats right your doing a kernel, choose pentium -III
[07:52] <webwolf_27> tonyyarusso, sorry wrong person
[07:52] <Jowi> pawdro: webwolf_27 was right that 586 is a safe bet though if you're unsure :)
[07:53] <webwolf_27> pawdro, doh!! thats right your doing a kernel, choose pentium-III
[07:53] <rambo3> is P3 =686
[07:53] <bshumate> yes
[07:54] <webwolf_27> Jowi, I completely forgot he was configuring a kernel
[07:54] <bshumate> p3 == celeron, p3, etc...
[07:54] <mindlace> Hi! I need kernel 2.6.13 or later to get support for my raid card. Is my current best bet following these directions? http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/2.6.14_Vanilla
[07:54] <webwolf_27> mindlace, apt-cache search kernel and select the newest
[07:54] <Jowi> webwolf_27: hehe, can happen
[07:54] <mindlace> (talk about living dangerously ... I bought all this hardware, and it only got linux support just now)
[07:55] <mindlace> webwolf_27: with all the ubuntu deb lines uncommented, the latest I get is 2.6.12
[07:55] <webwolf_27> Jowi, yeah I'm giving support for 2 distro's and trying to monitor #c++
[07:55] <tonyyarusso> webwolf_27: Okay, now we have WARNING: *** GTK+ >= 1.2.2 not found ***,  error: *** X11 not threadsafe ***.
[07:56] <pawdro> thx all
[07:56] <webwolf_27> tonyyarusso, you will need to install GTK+ headers
[07:56] <cdubya> when I generate a key pair in kgpg, what size should I use?
[07:56] <webwolf_27> mindlace, then you will have to install from the kernel.org sources
[07:57] <tonyyarusso> webwolf_27: A package search for gtk+ had huge results; would you happen to know the package name (or just more of it)?
[07:57] <ishit>  can i instal an rpm package in ubuntu
[07:57] <webwolf_27> cdubya, the maximum is safe
[07:57] <exedra> hello everybody... is there anyone who can help me with grub?
[07:57] <webwolf_27> tonyyarusso, sorry not for ubuntu
[07:57] <Agrajag> ishit: yes, but it's not a good idea
[07:57] <flevour> my problem put in a simplier way would be: is there a repository i can get the most recent packages from? like mysql version 14.7
[07:57] <rambo3> if its easy grub question
[07:57] <tonyyarusso> exedra: Maybe.  What are you doing?
[07:57] <Jowi> ishit: it "should" be possible, but not recommended. Think the prog is called "alien"
[07:57] <tonyyarusso> webwolf_27: All right, I'll look through them.
[07:58] <exedra> tony: i've read all howtos, man grub, info grub
[07:58] <ishit> well there r no debians available for gyach
[07:58] <webwolf_27> tonyyarusso, probably libgtk?????
[07:58] <exedra> tony: problem is this... i can't boot from my HDD, but if use grub floppy it works great
[07:58] <ishit> do u kno where i can find it
[07:58] <mindlace> ok, i'll just follow those directions and pray
[07:58] <exedra> rambo: it could be simple
[07:58] <HighHopes> what is the Command Line tool to start, stop and restart services?
[07:58] <exedra> tony: reinstalling grub after i boot from floppy didn't help
[07:59] <webwolf_27> mindlace, make sure ext3 is compiled in
[07:59] <flevour> HighHopes: you can do that manuall /etc/init.d/<service_name> <comand> where comand is start|stop etc
[07:59] <rambo3> with sudo grub-install hd0 or hda  ?
[07:59] <exedra> tony: I am using HPT370 and the HDD are in /dev/hde and /dev/hdg... and / (root) is mounted to /dev/hde1
[07:59] <tonyyarusso> webwolf_27: Found something.  That plus a version number.
[08:00] <webwolf_27> tonyyarusso, good
[08:00] <HighHopes> flevour, thanks!
[08:00] <Jowi> tonyyarusso: if you're compiling an app maybe you need libgtk-1.2-dev
[08:00] <exedra> rambo: it ried grub-install /dev/hde, also grub-install '(hd0)' also run grub and do setup (hd0) from the grub command line, while of them works great i still can't boot from HDD
[08:00] <Stork> i have a video which is a bit messed up: the sound comes about 2 seconds after the images itself. is it possible to fix this?
[08:01] <tonyyarusso> exedra: You might need to manually add the hard drive to the grub menu if it's not registering.  Can you get to a Grub menu screen during boot, but then not see anything, or does nothing happen at all?
[08:01] <ubun-newbie> how do i updtate ubuntu kernel
[08:01] <webwolf_27> exedra, hd0 is not /dev/hde
[08:01] <ast> Hi
[08:01] <dooglus> Stork: if you use mplayer-nogui, you can use the + and - keys to adjust the sound-video offset as you watch
[08:01] <rambo3> exedra any error messages or just kernel panic, you should post your menu.lst
[08:01] <flevour> is there any repository i can grab the latest (meaning the most recent) version of packages (specifically mysql) from?
[08:02] <ast> Are the Ubuntu Forums down ???
[08:02] <exedra> web: yes it is for me :) hda is a DVD reader.. hdc is a dvd burner... my hdd is on hde and hdg
[08:02] <Jowi> ast: they've been up and down all day
[08:02] <bshumate> ubun-newbie: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//KernelHowto
[08:02] <exedra> rambo: my menu.lst works great if i boot from floppy
[08:02] <ast> Jowi: Any idea why ?
[08:02] <tonyyarusso> Jowi: I found a 2.0 for the first package, would that mean I need libgtk-2.0-dev instead?  (If I find sucha thing...)
[08:02] <Jowi> ast: nope
[08:02] <exedra> tony: when i install ubuntu fresh it always failed on stage2
[08:02] <Stork> dooglus, awesome
[08:02] <ast> Jowi: ok, thx
[08:02] <Jowi> tonyyarusso: if you want to compile for gtk2 yes, but you said the error was for gtk1.2
[08:03] <dooglus> Stork: it might work the same in the gui versions, but I don't use them so I don't know
[08:03] <webwolf_27> ok time for me to put the kids to bed. night folks
[08:03] <exedra> tony: i just did a fdisk/mbr but now it is looking for CDROM even when my BIOS setting was asking it to boot from my HDD
[08:03] <kyncani> exedra: to know for sure (hd0) is /dev/hde : type sudo grub, then (in grub)  find /one/file/on/the/filesystem. This will tell you the grub name of the disk
[08:03] <ubun-newbie> so i can not do get-update kernel
[08:03] <Stork> dooglus, i'll try it then
[08:03] <webwolf_27> tonyyarusso, that should be safe to use
[08:03] <Stork> dooglus, just out of interest, how can you watch a video without gui?
[08:04] <webwolf_27> night folks
[08:04] <exedra> kync: yeah when i get grub command prompt from floppy boot... i can do the command completion to boot kernel manually
[08:04] <exedra> web: good night
[08:04] <Agrajag> Stork: mplayer with the svgalib plugin, or aalib
[08:04] <cdubya> good night, webwolf
[08:04] <ubun-newbie> so i can not do get-update kernel
[08:04] <dooglus> Stork: I run "mplayer <video-file>" and it plays the video file.  Why would I need a gui?
[08:04] <Jowi> ubun-newbie: 1. start synaptic, look for the kernel image you want and install it. It will automatically be added to your grub start menu or 2. download the sources for the kernel and configure and compile your own.
[08:04] <kyncani> exedra: at what point do you see what error message ? Do you get the grub menu on boot ?
[08:05] <andril> hello all
[08:05] <ubun-newbie> so updtate-kernel will not work
[08:05] <ubun-newbie> apt-get update kernel
[08:05] <bshumate> ubun-newbie apt-get update will update it
[08:05] <Jowi> ubun-newbie: no, since "kernel" is not a package.
[08:05] <andril> anyone know the command to chek if my Nvidia drivers are installed properly?
[08:05] <exedra> kync: booting from HDD after installing ubuntu failed on stage2... booting from HDD after i did fdisk/mbr from a dos boot disk just failed completely, even after i can boot using grub floppy and reinstall grub
[08:06] <dooglus> ubun-newbie: it will update automatically, like the other packages.  it's called "linux", not "kernel"
[08:06] <ubun-newbie> well when the ubuntu starts it shows nvidia drivers silly
[08:06] <tonyyarusso> exedra: I suppose it would do that if it wasn't able to find the hd, if the CDROM is the second priority boot device.
[08:06] <exedra> kync: when i boot using GRUB floppy... it tells me hd0 is /dev/hde
[08:07] <exedra> tony: i specified only HDD and floppy as boot device and yet it still asked for CDROM.. weird eh?
[08:07] <tonyyarusso> exedra: What kind of output does fdisk tell you?
[08:07] <madboar> what crime are the A-Team accused of commiting?
[08:07] <Jowi> andril: you can test it. "glxinfo | grep vendor" should say Nvidia. "glxinfo | grep direct" should tell you if DRI is enabled.
[08:07] <tonyyarusso> exedra: That is weird.
[08:07] <ubun-newbie>  A-Team is known for hijacking
[08:07] <rambo3> you can allways open sudo gedit  /boot/grub/menu.lst and compare it with /media/floppy/boot/men.lst or whaterver it is
[08:07] <exedra> tony: oh... yeah i forgot to run fdisk yet...
[08:08] <exedra> tony: gimme a sec i am booting up the desktop again... takes awhile
[08:08] <`Evil> hello
[08:08] <madboar> decker is hunting them for hijacking?
[08:08] <ubun-newbie> hi evil
[08:08] <yapyccky> hello everyone..i've a "big" problem...just now i understood my sound card is not working on my ubuntu
[08:08] <tonyyarusso> exedra: That might clue you in if you've been using the wrong hd? device.
[08:08] <andril> Jowi: thansk I get errors
[08:08] <yapyccky> can someone help me in setting it up?
[08:08] <`Evil> can someone help about installing a wifi USB Key please?
[08:08] <exedra> rambo: i did a cp /boot/grub/menu.lst to /floppy/boot/grub/menu.lst so they are identical
[08:08] <tonyyarusso> I got my compilation issue fixed, btw.
[08:08] <ubun-newbie> oh really even if your soundcard works you can not download free mp3 songs
[08:08] <`Evil> i have the trendnet TEW-424UB
[08:08] <bullitt> I'm getting a msg when I run a script I just wrote.  this is the line is has a problem with: export EPSXE='/usr/local/games/epsxe'  and the error I get is 'usr/local/games/epsxe' is not a valid identifier.  the directory does exist, and the scripts permission is 777
[08:09] <Jowi> andril: did you follow the nvidia guidelines ?
[08:09] <Jowi> !nvidia
[08:09] <ubotu> I guess nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[08:09] <ubun-newbie> what games are on ubuntu linux and how i install them
[08:09] <ubun-newbie> are there any flight games with good graphic design
[08:09] <Mabus06> there are tons of games
[08:09] <bullitt> orbiter
[08:09] <andril> Jowi: I actually used Automatix script
[08:09] <rambo3> first fix your video drivers then ask for games
[08:09] <andril> !nvidia
[08:09] <ubotu> from memory, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[08:10] <Jowi> andril: ah, haven't tested automatix myself.
[08:10] <kyncani> exedra: failed on stage 2 ? I would narrow the search and see at what point it is failing with the error message. When you got that, you can try to fix it or do the boot sequence yourself (not for the faint of heart) giving the linux kernel the argument init=/bin/bash (in grub, with the edit command line feature).
[08:10] <ubun-newbie> i have none problems with nvidia drivers sir
[08:10] <tonyyarusso> Any ideas why I would only be able to burn CDs as root?  (This happened in my last installation; I haven't tried this one yet.)
[08:10] <Jowi> ubun-newbie: nope, but andril has :)
[08:11] <exedra> kync: actually i did the boot sequence manually from grub shell
[08:11] <madboar> sooo
[08:11] <madboar> the A Team
[08:11] <madboar> what crime? :)
[08:11] <madboar> anyone know?
[08:11] <rambo3> http://enemy-territory.4players.de:1041/modules.php?name=files ,amrecis army , and lot more use google
[08:11] <andril> Jowi: i tried this one http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Install_Nvidia_driver
[08:12] <Jowi> tonyyarusso: maybe, what does "ls -la /dev/cdrom" give you?
[08:12] <kyncani> exedra: what do you mean ? When you issue the grub commands yourself it works but when grub executes them from the config file, it does not work ??
[08:12] <ubuntu_> hi
[08:12] <ubuntu_> whats up ?
[08:12] <ubuntu_> ubuntu is cool "_
[08:12] <tonyyarusso> Jowi: lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 4 2005-12-07 11:43 /dev/cdrom -> scd0
[08:12] <ubuntu_> bye bye
[08:12] <exedra> kync: errr... when booting from HDD it just filed on stage 2... but if i used grub floppy i can do all grub commands to boot to full OS
[08:13] <Jowi> andril: maybe you need to run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" after you installed the driver like that
[08:13] <andril> ubun-newbie: how did you install your nvidia drivers?
[08:13] <exedra> kync: which means right now i am booting my desktop with a floppy to chain back to the HDD
[08:13] <ubun-newbie> it autodected
[08:13] <ubun-newbie> while installin
[08:13] <rambo3> well you didnt do anything then
[08:13] <chris_18888> hi does anyone know the location to the Alsa config file that I can change the default card?
[08:14] <AceMilo> hi i have a question about firefox
[08:14] <kyncani> exedra: well, when you boot from hdd, at grub menu, you can check that grub is getting the config file right by editing the grub entry. Must be either a typo in the config file or grub is not getting the correct menu.lst
[08:14] <AceMilo> 5.10 comse with 1.07 version of firefox but 1.5 is the newest
[08:14] <bshumate> bullitt: what is the shebang in the script?  (the first line)
[08:14] <AceMilo> how do i update it?
[08:14] <bullitt> !#bin/bash
[08:14] <ubotu> bullitt: I give up, what is it?
[08:14] <daje> could anyone give me a hand setting up a printer attached to an airport please?
[08:15] <bullitt> oops #!/bin/bash
[08:15] <halibut> I have 1 folder, 2 files, how can I create a shell script to zip all three up in to myextension.zip, rename to myextension.xpi, then move it to /var/www/    (ie: a shell script to package a firefox extension and then host it)
[08:15] <ubun-newbie> well my sound works my nvidia i know works
[08:15] <exedra> kync: i double checked it is onthing to do with menu.lst... from HDD it just never gets to the menu like it can't find where it is
[08:15] <exedra> kync: that's why i am stumped
[08:16] <varsendagger> halibut, have you ever created a script?
[08:16] <kyncani> exedra: if it's a typo, chances are you won't see it yourself. So either narrow the problem by getting a more precise error message from the boot sequence, or get someone else to double-check the config file .. sometimes, you can check the same file ten times when someone else will find the error at first glance ...
[08:16] <exedra> kync: i copied the menu.lst to floppy (cuz i got sick of typing the grub commands on my grub floppy when i boot) and it works great
[08:16] <halibut> varsendagger, yes, but only a few lines heh
[08:16] <Matthew-> is it possible to use apt-get for a package, but specify that i want the one on the cd?
[08:16] <Matthew-> rather than trying to go online?
[08:16] <halibut> #!/bin/sh  I know I start with this
[08:17] <kyncani> exedra: if it cannot get to the grub menu with hdd boot, i'd say it's a bios problem ..
[08:17] <halibut> then tar command? or zip?
[08:17] <exedra> kync: hmmm maybe you are right
[08:17] <evan_> how do i make aptget to work?
[08:17] <evan_> cause it says
[08:17] <varsendagger> --- i would try to use tar
[08:17] <evan_> E: Couldn't find package kernel-source-2.x.y
[08:17] <bullitt> evan_; sudo apt-get update
[08:17] <azertyuuu> can i play mp3 with the newest Amarok
[08:17] <exedra> kync: becuz I've tried everything else...
[08:17] <kyncani> exedra: or a disk jumper
[08:18] <exedra> kync: disk jumper?
[08:18] <jonathan_> How do you get 3D to work with ATI on the AMD64 version of 5.10?
[08:18] <kyncani> exedra: yeah .. don't know exactly in english
[08:18] <tomz> is xfingerd unremoveable?
[08:18] <evan_> it still says it cant find it
[08:18] <varsendagger> evan_, ty to apt-cache search for the package yoou want to download
[08:18] <bshumate> bullit:  try replacing the text : export EPSXE='/usr/local/games/epsxe'  with : EPSXE=/usr/local/games/epsxe; export EPSXE
[08:18] <bshumate> bullitt: and see if it works that way
[08:18] <Jowi> tonyyarusso: hmmmm, in /etc/fstab; in the line with the cdrom, does it say "user" in there?
[08:18] <AceMilo> 5.10 comse with 1.07 version of firefox but 1.5 is the newest, how do you update it?
[08:18] <exedra> kync: the only unusual thing about my desktop is it has 2 IDE controller.. the regular one who take hda, hdb, hdc and hdd.... and the HPT370 who takes hde, hdf, hdg and hdh
[08:18] <kyncani> exedra: the little thingies that connect other thingies on the disk to tell him if he is a ide master or slave .. :)
[08:19] <ck> !backports
[08:19] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, backports is Add "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main universe multiverse restricted" (without the ") to /etc/apt/sources.list.  More info @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[08:19] <Matthew-> n/m i think it's doing it
[08:19] <kyncani> exedra: well, try to move the disk on the first controller ?
[08:19] <tonyyarusso> Jowi: Yes.
[08:19] <ck> hmm...a pm would have worked ;)
[08:19] <exedra> kync: LOL... it works on the regular IDE... but this machine is old.. the regular IDE is running ATA33 and the HPT370 is running ATA100 :)
[08:20] <exedra> kync: and the HDD is ATA100
[08:20] <evan_> here it says
[08:20] <tonyyarusso> Jowi: Keep in mind, it's possible this was just something I had messed up previously, so my current system might not have the problem, I'm just trying to figure out what it might have been just in case.
[08:20] <evan_> here http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html
[08:20] <madboar> oi, what crime are the a team accused of, but did not commit.
[08:20] <madboar> this is vital.
[08:20] <evan_> it says to type
[08:20] <popey> here's a thing..
[08:20] <exedra> kync: bloody stupid BIOS i guess :)
[08:20] <evan_> apt-get install kernel-source-2.x.y
[08:20] <kyncani> exedra: here, i have a bios problem : i cannot boot if i have two usb disks connected on my usb hub ... but i can connect them as soon as i get the grub menu ! :)
[08:20] <popey> i have bought a DVB-T card which doesn't appear to work in breezy
[08:21] <popey> do I a) download the kernel source and go through the pain of that and nvidia and ipw2200 stuff
[08:21] <kyncani> exedra: blooded stupid bioses :)
[08:21] <popey> or do i b) use the kernel from dapper?
[08:21] <evan_> it there a howto for drivers for a ati adeon 2600se?
[08:21] <jonathan_> 3D under AMD64 5.10 w/ fglrx (ATI)--how?
[08:21] <Jowi> tonyyarusso: well, so you should check if it works or not first since if you do not have the problem now it will be nearly impossible to see what was wrong back then...
[08:21] <madboar> c) install XP
[08:21] <exedra> kync: I'd find away to trick the BIOS.. thakns for your assistance
[08:21] <tonyyarusso> Jowi: Very true.  Just wondering if anyone had seen something similar.
[08:22] <crypticreign[w] > can anyone get xsnow to work?
[08:22] <jesse_> is it neccesary to install the complete ubuntu base system on a partition on my second hard drive (dual boot) hoary system?
[08:22] <exedra> tony, and others: thanks
[08:22] <Jowi> !tell popey about wireless
[08:22] <tonyyarusso> Is Opera available through apt?
[08:22] <kyncani> exedra: np :)
[08:22] <evan_> it there a howto for drivers for a ati adeon 2600se?
[08:22] <evan_> how to install them
[08:22] <popey> wireless isn't the problem
[08:22] <popey> it's the dvb card
[08:22] <Jowi> oh
[08:22] <varsendagger> evan_,  what happens when you type apt-cache search kernel-source
[08:22] <madboar> c) install XP
[08:22] <crimsun> popey: there're arguments for both, but keep in mind that both are 1) unsupported; 2) will present massive headaches
[08:22] <evan_> radeon
[08:22] <deltron> !ati
[08:22] <ubotu> ati is, like, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[08:22] <popey> so i have a device that doesn't work
[08:23] <jonathan_> ubotu, just so you know that guide does not work for AMD64 users
[08:23] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, jonathan_
[08:23] <crimsun> popey: if you compile ieee80211+ipw2200 on breezy, it won't work. If you use the dapper kernel, it may not boot. You lose either way.
[08:23] <flame-boy> how I remove the terminal when I open the amsn ?
[08:23] <St^Anger^19m> !mount
[08:23] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, mount is the command to add partitions to your filesystem - for full instructions see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingANewHardDrive For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives or http://tinyurl.com/bly9f
[08:23] <popey> heh
[08:23] <bullitt> bshumate, allright it stopped hanging on that one, but now it says no such file or directory for  line 5 which is cd $EPSXE
[08:23] <popey> but at least the dapper kernel will get better
[08:24] <jonathan_> basic mount command for a windows drive:  sudo mount -t ntfs -o ro,umask=0222 /dev/device /mountpoint
[08:24] <St^Anger^19m> i just installed ubuntu on VMware :)
[08:24] <bshumate> bullitt: add a line before line five :  echo $EPSXE
[08:24] <tonyyarusso> !windowsdrives
[08:24] <ubotu> somebody said windowsdrives was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions or see http://tinyurl.com/bly9f
[08:25] <flame-boy> Well, I am opening amsn... and the terminal comes together.  When I latch the terminal, amsn closes simultaneously.  What I make this not to happen?
[08:25] <bshumate> bullitt: should come back of course, with : /usr/local/games/epsxe
[08:25] <AceMilo> 5.10 comse with 1.07 version of firefox but 1.5 is the newest, how do you update it?
[08:25] <varsendagger> evan_, what is happening?
[08:25] <bshumate> bullitt : does it?
[08:25] <tonyyarusso> AceMilo: We're still waiting on the Breezy build of 1.5.
[08:25] <Gnimsh> hello everyone
[08:25] <AceMilo> so it cant be installed?
[08:25] <Jowi> hello Gnimsh
[08:26] <lwizardl> hi
[08:26] <AceMilo> ok how about this
[08:26] <Gnimsh> I'm having a problem w/ ubuntu, and I've only just installed it
[08:26] <flame-boy> Well, I am opening amsn... and the terminal comes together.  When I latch the terminal, amsn closes simultaneously.  What I make this not to happen?
[08:26] <The_Vox> AceMilo: yes, in a per-user basis it can...get the tarball from firefox's site and install from that in your ~/
[08:26] <lwizardl> can someone help me with dvd playback
[08:26] <Gnimsh> I don't think it likes my video card, I don't get an actual display or anything just a bunch of green lines
[08:26] <tonyyarusso> AceMilo: If you want you can still get it from http://www.getfirefox.com, but most people are content to wait.
[08:26] <AceMilo> the_vox how?
[08:26] <AceMilo> im new to this
[08:26] <Jowi> !tell lwizardl about dvd
[08:26] <Gnimsh> I have a driver but have no idea how to install it.
[08:26] <AceMilo> i played with linux before but not this much
[08:26] <varsendagger> lwizardl, what is up?
[08:27] <eli_d> vlc media player does wonders for my machine and dvd playback
[08:27] <bullitt> bshumate hahahaa oh this is the skinny.  I had 'usr/local...' so I changed it to '/usr/local...'
[08:27] <Jowi> Gnimsh: what card have you got?
[08:27] <St^Anger^19m> how can i know which partitions are my windows partitions?
[08:27] <lwizardl> ok i'm using the ubuntu wiki to figure out how to play dvds and i'm getting no decoder found errors whats the fix
[08:27] <The_Vox> AceMilo: you download the tarball from getfirefox.com and untar it, then run the installer as user (without using sudo) and it'll prompt you to install in your home instead of system-wide.
[08:27] <flame-boy> Well, I am opening amsn... and the terminal comes together.  When I latch the terminal, amsn closes simultaneously.  What I make this not to happen?
[08:27] <bshumate> bullitt: heh, so you are g2g then?
[08:27] <AceMilo> how do i change permissions to view my ntfs partitions?
[08:27] <Gnimsh> Jowi: nvidia geforce 6600 GT
[08:27] <jgrieves> hmm so my initrd is no longer mounting /dev
[08:27] <Jowi> !nvidia
[08:27] <ubotu> from memory, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[08:27] <The_Vox> AceMilo: then just run it from where it installs it instead of using the one on your menu, until 1.5 comes to breezy
[08:27] <Agrajag> The_Vox: 1.5 will never come to breezy
[08:28] <bullitt> bshumate well I installed a different library than the one in the tutorial, so now I have to copy it over, thanks for the assistance
[08:28] <Jowi> Gnimsh: check the links that ubotu just spat out
[08:28] <The_Vox> Agrajag: ok, breezy-backports :)
[08:28] <fdr> hello! I fail to understand how to use launchpad... is there any guide or tutorial available for it, please? Thank you!
[08:28] <bullitt> i'll post when I get it up
[08:28] <tonyyarusso> AceMilo: Try changing the umask in /etc/fstab.
[08:28] <bshumate> bullitt: ain't no thang...glad to help-  need anything else, just pm me
[08:28] <jgrieves> how can i bring intrd to mount /dev
[08:28] <Jowi> lwizardl: did you install libdvdcss2?
[08:28] <jgrieves> otherwis eit wont rount root file system /dev/sda1
[08:28] <AceMilo> fstab
[08:28] <AceMilo> i dont dont see that
[08:28] <AceMilo> oh wait i do
[08:29] <Gnimsh> great! thanks jowi
[08:29] <AceMilo> ok now what the hells a umask?
[08:29] <flame-boy> AceMilo, sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[08:29] <lwizardl> Jowi: don't think so didn't list that on the page
[08:29] <Gnimsh> now I have to get back to homework but I will look at that more when I get back to my room
[08:29] <Jowi> !libdvdcss2
[08:29] <ubotu> Jowi: Syntax error in line 1
[08:29] <flame-boy> AceMilo, or gedit /etc/fstab
[08:29] <owner989> i had no luck getting a linksys wireless G usb adapter to work on ubuntu
[08:29] <Jowi> +!libdvdcss2
[08:30] <Jowi> !+libdvdcss2
[08:30] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Jowi
[08:30] <lwizardl> libdvdcss2 is already the newest version.
[08:30] <Jowi> where did that link go?
[08:30] <tonyyarusso> AceMilo: I believe you just need to edit the string defaults to defaults,umask=000 on the line for the drive in question.
[08:30] <AceMilo> ok now i see the drives listed
[08:30] <lwizardl> so yes i have it
[08:30] <andril> Thanks all :)
[08:30] <Gnimsh> Jowi one thing?
[08:30] <Gnimsh> Can I do either of these w/o a GUI? Open either Synaptic or Kynaptic
[08:31] <flame-boy> AceMilo, you're welcome ;P
[08:31] <Jowi> lwizardl: great. well, have you installed the libdvdplay etc?
[08:31] <AceMilo> do you need to restart?
[08:31] <AceMilo> i changed it to defaults,umask=000 and it still says no permission
[08:31] <tonyyarusso> AceMilo: You could use other numbers there if you want; 000 allow full permissions for everyone.  The numbers for umask are just the opposite for the file permissions ones, so umask=000 equates to perm.s of 777.
[08:31] <McScruff> Hi, is there a way to get videos in sync in firefox
[08:31] <rambo3> reboot
[08:31] <lwizardl> E: Couldn't find package libdvdplay
[08:31] <Jowi> Gnimsh: nope. you need a gui for that. from the command prompt you can use either apt-get or aptitude.
[08:32] <tonyyarusso> AceMilo: You'll have to umount and mount it again.
[08:32] <Agrajag> AceMilo: unmount it, and mount it again
[08:32] <Gnimsh> !apt-get
[08:32] <ubotu> apt-get is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/
[08:32] <AceMilo> grrr
[08:32] <Jowi> lwizardl: it is called libdvdplay0
[08:32] <owner989> mcscruff it helped when i changed output to alsa
[08:32] <Gnimsh> boy that bot is great
[08:32] <owner989> in mplayer plugin
[08:32] <AceMilo> lets see if i can figure that out
[08:32] <Jowi> lwizardl: "apt-cache search --names-only dvd" will give you a list
[08:32] <lwizardl> libdvdplay0 is already the newest version.
[08:32] <AceMilo> how do you unmount?
[08:32] <Gnimsh> anyone here used mandriva linux?
[08:32] <Agrajag> AceMilo: umount <mountpoint>
[08:32] <fishhead> turn on fox news, etc shots fired on airline
[08:33] <AceMilo> command not found
[08:33] <rambo3> thats offtopic
[08:33] <Jowi> lwizardl: for example gstreamer0.8-dvd is what you want if you want to play dvd from totem
[08:33] <Agrajag> AceMilo: like hell
[08:33] <tonyyarusso> AceMilo: Make sure to say umount not unmount.
[08:33] <fishhead> RAMBO3 yeah well screw it for once, this is serious
[08:33] <AceMilo> doh
[08:33] <lwizardl> what about in kaffine
[08:33] <tonyyarusso> AceMilo: Very common mistake.
[08:33] <Jowi> lwizardl: don't know. not using kde here
[08:33] <AceMilo> there we go
[08:33] <AceMilo> thx
[08:34] <AceMilo> now lets mount
[08:34] <lwizardl> http://pastebin.com/452878
[08:34] <tonyyarusso> AceMilo: Same process, mount <mountpoint>.
[08:34] <AceMilo> holy crap
[08:34] <AceMilo> it works :)
[08:34] <AceMilo> thx
[08:34] <AceMilo> ok now
[08:34] <tonyyarusso> AceMilo: Isn't it nice when things do that?
[08:34] <AceMilo> say i dl a tar.gz, uncompress etc
[08:34] <AceMilo> and its not source
[08:34] <AceMilo> how do i install it?
[08:35] <AceMilo> got one more burning question after this
[08:35] <Jowi> lwizardl: if you are using kde you can try in #kubuntu
[08:35] <tonyyarusso> Does it have anything called configure, installer, or the like in it?
[08:35] <AceMilo> whats an installer look like in linux?
[08:35] <lwizardl> Jowi: tried that seem to get more help with it in here
[08:36] <tonyyarusso> AceMilo: They would usually be named installer, install, or something obvious.  Otherwise, it doesn't really look any different.
[08:36] <Gnimsh> !run file
[08:36] <ubotu> Gnimsh: I haven't a clue
[08:36] <AceMilo> negative
[08:36] <kossu_Man> Question: How big should a hard-drive/partion be to run Ubuntu with no efficency penalty?
[08:36] <AceMilo> anyway lets forget that for nwo
[08:36] <Gnimsh> !.run
[08:36] <ubotu> Gnimsh: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[08:36] <chris__> hey guys, how do you install azureus in breezy? its not in the repos.
[08:36] <AceMilo> heres a real problem i have
[08:36] <AceMilo> im trying to install glib 1.2.10 i believe
[08:36] <AceMilo> i configure it fine
[08:36] <owner989> dl it from azuereus webpage chris
[08:36] <AceMilo> then i go to make
[08:36] <AceMilo> it says a bunch of errors and wont make
[08:36] <Jowi> lwizardl: well, sorry i can not help you with kaffeine
[08:37] <varsendagger> lwizardl, hey have you tried mplayer?
[08:37] <chris__> i downloaded it from their webpage and unpacked it
[08:37] <chris__> now what?
[08:37] <owner989> it should work from the folder
[08:37] <owner989> its java
[08:37] <chris__> i can run it when i cd to the azureus director and run azureus
[08:37] <indymedia> is there a software to configure sound card for ubuntu
[08:37] <indymedia> ?
[08:37] <tonyyarusso> AceMilo: I don't think I can help you there.
[08:37] <owner989> as long as you have java installed chris
[08:37] <fantasai> Networking is totally broken on my system. What do I do?
[08:37] <lwizardl> varsendagger: no
[08:37] <AceMilo> want me to get the errors for you?
[08:38] <varsendagger> just a sec
[08:38] <owner989> fantasai post your issue here
[08:38] <Jowi> fantasai: what's the problem?
[08:38] <tonyyarusso> AceMilo: Doesn't that come as a package though so you wouldn't have to?
[08:38] <AceMilo> dont see it listed
[08:38] <chris__> but if i want to make a shortcut on the desktop to it, what command would i enter?
[08:38] <fantasai> Jowi: It doesn't find a connection most of the time
[08:38] <GURU500> siema ll
[08:38] <GURU500> all
[08:38] <fantasai> Jowi: sometimes going into standby and coming back fixes it
[08:38] <amans> is there a software to configure sound card for ubuntu ?
[08:38] <GURU500> hi
[08:38] <fantasai> Jowi: sometimes I can restart my computer, and that'll work when standby doesn't
[08:38] <GURU500> i got problem
[08:38] <fantasai> Jowi: but right now
[08:38] <GURU500> with ubuntu
[08:38] <GURU500> :P
[08:38] <fantasai> Jow: it's not working at all
[08:38] <fantasai> Jowi: neither wireless nor ethernet
[08:39] <fantasai> Jowi: It works in Windows just fine though
[08:39] <GURU500> ANY wants help me ?
[08:39] <fantasai> Jowi: so it's not a problem with either the network or my hardware
[08:39] <AceMilo> im in the package manager
[08:39] <bigozs> hia
[08:39] <Jowi> fantasai: start from the beginning and be specific. how do you connect? wireless, cable, to a router, without a router, adsl-modem, pppoe...?
[08:39] <amans> is there a software to configure sound card for ubuntu ?
[08:39] <AceMilo> glib-doc is there
[08:39] <AceMilo> not glib
[08:39] <amans> is there a software to configure sound card for ubuntu ?
[08:39] <fantasai> Jowi: wireless and ethernet to a LAN
[08:39] <gnomefreak> GURU500,  please state your issue and someone will help you if they know the answer
[08:39] <Kyral> amans: it should be done
[08:40] <owner989> ubuntu should include alsaconf
[08:40] <owner989> thats the best sound card setup prog
[08:40] <Kyral> multimedia systems selector will help
[08:40] <rambo3> alsaconf is old
[08:40] <Kyral> but it works :D
[08:40] <Jowi> fantasai: what do you mean to a LAN? you connect to a router or to a switch?
[08:40] <owner989> what replaced it rambo3?
[08:40] <Kyral> If it ain't broke don't fix it
[08:40] <fluvvell> hasn't alsa been included in the kernel now?
[08:40] <rambo3> alsa-utils i think
[08:40] <tonyyarusso> AceMilo: libglib maybe?  I'm not really familiar with this one.
[08:40] <Kyral> Why do you think Apt is still around :D
[08:40] <fantasai> Jowi: I don't know. It's a university network.
[08:40] <AceMilo> im trying to install an ftp app and it says i need glib 1.2.3 or better
[08:40] <rambo3> even tho alsaconf worked much easyer
[08:40] <owner989> it is apart of alsa-utils, just the ubuntu one seemingly doesnt include it
[08:41] <owner989> you can get it from the alsa website still
[08:41] <Jowi> fantasai: so probably to a switch. can you ping the gateway?
[08:41] <ubun-newbie> how do i install perl
[08:41] <AceMilo> hmm good call tony
[08:41] <AceMilo> but when i go to make this app it says i dont have it
[08:41] <GURU500> I GOT PROBLEM : I WAS INSTALED TJE UBUNTU ON MY DESKTOP PC AND I WANT TO MOVE THE SYSTEM TO LAPTOP [ I WAS INSTALED ON PRIMARY MASTER 2,5 " HDD]  WHEN I CONNECTED THE HDD TO MY LAPTOP HE START DOING STH STRANGE HE DOING SINCE 2H "4304611 590000 OVER COURNET CHANGE ON PORT 21 ]
[08:41] <GURU500> THIS ; GOOD OR NOT?
[08:41] <timmy334> I can not seem to get Xorg to work in Breezy. I've tried a regular install and tried a server install and installing Xorg separately. Does anybody know why Xorg is so vorked in Breezy?
[08:41] <tonyyarusso> GURU500: Please ditch the all caps.
[08:41] <fantasai> Jowi: I can't get to any sites on or off the university domain.
[08:41] <bigozs> ubun-newbie: use synaptic
[08:41] <Jowi> GURU500: please turn capslock OFF
[08:41] <GURU500> sorry for caps:P
[08:41] <Jowi> haha
[08:42] <fantasai> Jowi: it doesn't just time out either, it acts as if the network's not htere
[08:42] <GURU500> can u help me with this problem ?
[08:42] <owner989> timmy334 run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:42] <madboar> PLEASE GURU500
[08:42] <madboar> turn off CAPS
[08:42] <AceMilo> i shouldnt write to an ntfs volume right?
[08:42] <Kyral> timmy334: could you perhaps paste the error msgs?
[08:42] <ubun-newbie> can i use apt-get install perl
[08:42] <GURU500> this;s good or not?
[08:42] <Kyral> AceMilo: No
[08:42] <AceMilo> i read somewhere its unstable
[08:42] <GURU500> what?
[08:42] <Chousuke> madboar: he did :P
[08:42] <Jowi> fantasai: "tracepath <IP_ADDRESS>" that will give you an idea on how far you get.
[08:42] <varsendagger> !mplayer
[08:42] <Kyral> ubun-newbie: sudo it
[08:42] <ubotu> I heard mplayer is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[08:42] <madboar> oh aye. so he did.
[08:42] <Kyral> !find perl
[08:42] <AceMilo> its safe to read an ntfs tho right
[08:42] <Kyral> AceMilo: yes
[08:42] <varsendagger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto?highlight=%28mplayer%29#head-238f5295aadecbe63e23a58bc9441bff86ef1ad7
[08:42] <AceMilo> ok cool thx
[08:43] <AceMilo> oh wait heres another one
[08:43] <AceMilo> i have a smb share of my music on my server running xp
[08:43] <Kyral> yah?
[08:43] <fantasai> Jowi: k, bbiab
[08:43] <AceMilo> my laptop running ubuntu reads the share fine
[08:43] <AceMilo> i can copy music off it
[08:43] <Kyral>  yah
[08:43] <AceMilo> but
[08:43] <Kyral> Cannot write?
[08:43] <AceMilo> if i just open an mp3 it wont play
[08:43] <timmy334> I can't atm, but it's a bunch of symbols not found and caught signal 4
[08:43] <Kyral> permissions problem?
[08:43] <AceMilo> i have to copy it to my desktop
[08:43] <St^Anger^19m> Ubuntu 5.10 runs out of the box on VMWare :)
[08:43] <AceMilo> i cant just stream it off my server
[08:44] <Totuus^Ubuntu> hello everyone
[08:44] <Kyral> oh
[08:44] <St^Anger^19m> although i must get used to not using nvidia driver
[08:44] <AceMilo> how do i fix that
[08:44] <Kyral> so you can't stream it
[08:44] <AceMilo> right
[08:44] <Kyral> but you can download and play it fine?
[08:44] <AceMilo> yes
[08:44] <Kyral> Is the share setup to stream?
[08:44] <timmy334> Kyral, I can't atm, but it's a bunch of symbols not found and caught signal 4
[08:44] <tonyyarusso> AceMilo & Kyral: Is it considered "executing" to play an MP3?
[08:44] <Totuus^Ubuntu> hey, does anyone have any idea how i save my configurations on Ubuntu 5.10 live?
[08:44] <AceMilo> probably
[08:44] <akonkwa> Does anyone know where I can Find Matlab or equivalent for ubuntu?
[08:44] <AceMilo> its a standard xp pro install on the server
[08:44] <d_pelaez> hello
[08:45] <AceMilo> standard windows smb sharing
[08:45] <bullitt> I installed the nvidia drivers, but I still have only 60hz availaible...
[08:45] <Kyral> tonyyarusso: I dont think so
[08:45] <Myrtti> !info octave
[08:45] <AceMilo> my xp computers stream it fine
[08:45] <quadra> [ !unload : no module with this name ]
[08:45] <ubotu> octave: (GNU Octave language for numerical computations (2.1 branch)), section universe/math, is optional. Version: 2.1.71-2ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 45 kB, Installed size: 72 kB
[08:45] <lillpelle> akonkwa: matlab costs money, but try octave
[08:45] <Kyral> AceMilo: I don't know much about XP anymore
[08:45] <AceMilo> but my ubuntu wont
[08:45] <Kyral> I'm sorry
[08:45] <AceMilo> i just wanna open an mp3 on my server and have it play
[08:45] <AceMilo> like on my pcs
[08:45] <dpt> Hello everyone
[08:45] <akonkwa> lillpelle,  can I find octave in synaptic?
[08:45] <bullitt> do I have to change my xorg.conf to get more resolutions and refresh rates?
[08:45] <tonyyarusso> akonkwa: I don't remember where, but I do remember stumbling across such a thing once, so have hope!
[08:45] <varsendagger> akonkwa, what does matlab do exactly?
[08:45] <Myrtti> !info octave
[08:45] <quadra> [ !unload : no module with this name ]
[08:45] <ubotu> octave: (GNU Octave language for numerical computations (2.1 branch)), section universe/math, is optional. Version: 2.1.71-2ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 45 kB, Installed size: 72 kB
[08:45] <lillpelle> akonkwa: Yes, it is available
[08:46] <akonkwa> lillpelle,  Ok thanx
[08:46] <St^Anger^19m> Matlab is a top-notch mathematical modelling software
[08:46] <gnomefreak> i dont think you can save yuour configuation on a live cd. i say that because live cd isnt using harddrive but i could be wrong on that one
[08:46] <lillpelle> akonkwa: read the info from ubotu aswell
[08:46] <Myrtti> ^^
[08:46] <St^Anger^19m> there practically exists no match for it
[08:46] <St^Anger^19m> i'm sure there is a Linux edition
[08:46] <dpt> how can i congifure my pc so that i can connect to it using the ip in order to have a remote console?
[08:46] <varsendagger> cool
[08:46] <AceMilo> so how can i stream my music?
[08:46] <Myrtti> icluding the price of Matlab
[08:46] <varsendagger> AceMilo, try streamtuner with xmms
[08:46] <dpt> how can i use my console using telnet or something like that remotely?
[08:46] <robotgeek> akonkwa: you might also be interested in scipy.
[08:46] <akonkwa> varsendagger,  It's a language es well as  a very powerfull tool for numeric modelisation
[08:46] <hedonick> akonkwa: you could take a look at scilab as well
[08:47] <AceMilo> is it built in or do i install it as  aplugin?
[08:47] <fantasai> Jowi: ok, I've got a network connection after rebooting this time.. for now anyway
[08:47] <varsendagger> cool, i had to use somehting like that when i was doing the mechanicl engineering thing, i don't remember what the program wahs though
[08:47] <MAPD> hey
[08:47] <akonkwa> robotgeek, hedonick , which one should  I choose? scipy, octave, scilab?
[08:47] <MAPD> anyone available
[08:47] <varsendagger> you can get ti92 emulators
[08:47] <St^Anger^19m> i'm using Matlab for my IT course at uni...communication system design
[08:47] <robotgeek> akonkwa: depends on what you need to do? what do you need to do
[08:48] <fantasai> Jowi: but how can I fix the configuration so that it finds the network 100% of the time, rather than only 50% of the time?
[08:48] <St^Anger^19m> i dont have matlab at home though
[08:48] <robotgeek> i used scipy for optimization analysis
[08:48] <dpt> how con i have a remote console?
[08:48] <varsendagger>  MAPD yeah what's up
[08:48] <MAPD> i want to make a computer act as a server
[08:48] <Jowi> fantasai: impossible to say. maybe you don't have the correct driver for your nic. find out what nic you have and have a look in the forums if it's got any issues.
[08:48] <hedonick> akonkwa: scilab is more of a complete environment I think... scipy and octave is more of pure programming languages
[08:48] <MAPD> and share internet with both linux and windows computers
[08:48] <tonyyarusso> akonkwa: See http://ubista.ubi.pt/~dfis-wg/linux/apps/free-2/linux_matlab.html
[08:48] <MAPD> the server is running linux ubuntu
[08:48] <hedonick> akonkwa: http://www.scilab.org/
[08:48] <fantasai> Jowi: how do I check which driver I'm using?
[08:48] <akonkwa> robotgeek,  I have matlab tex files that are a simulation of the behaviour of glass at high temperatures
[08:49] <AceMilo> still not playing
[08:49] <robotgeek> akonkwa: matlab tex file?
[08:49] <MAPD> varsendagger help pls?
[08:49] <MAPD> :)
[08:49] <akonkwa> robotgeek,  No, sorry, text file, no latex
[08:50] <timmy334> the weird thing is that Hoary installs perfectly, but a clean install of Breezy starts with a borked Xorg
[08:50] <robotgeek> akonkwa: as long as you don't use any special packages from Mathworks, it should be pretty close to octave syntax
[08:50] <varsendagger> MAPD, what you need is !samba
[08:50] <Jowi> fantasai: "lspci" or "cat /proc/modules"
[08:50] <Jowi> fantasai: "dmesg" will give you alot of info as well
[08:50] <varsendagger> MAPD, did you get that form ubotu
[08:50] <akonkwa> robotgeek,  Okay :) and as always, thanx for the help
[08:51] <Jowi> fantasai: dmesg | grep eth
[08:51] <akonkwa> tonyyarusso,  hedonick  : thanx ;)
[08:51] <robotgeek> akonkwa: no problem, anytime. i hear that octave aims for 1:1 matlab compliance, though i am not sure
[08:51] <JDahl> hedonick, I would characterize scilab as a scientific toolbox inspired by, e.g., Maple/Mathematica, octave as a Matlab clone, and scipy as a python package for scientific computations
[08:51] <robotgeek> i havent used octave since i moved to scipy
[08:51] <Jowi> bbl. c u all
[08:51] <tonyyarusso> varsendagger: Somewhat related question: Is there a good samba configuration how-to besides the 900-page book?  (I was having some issues setting up things, which cdubya's going to help me with later and I'm looking for readings.)
[08:51] <St^Anger^19m> does octave have the different toolboxes available for Matlab?
[08:51] <MAPD> samba let me share internet connection between ubuntu pcs?
[08:52] <varsendagger> hey what's the best 3d cad software fo linux?
[08:52] <fantasai> ok, I see e100 and orinoco_pci
[08:52] <fantasai> on Gentoo I ran eepro100 and prism2_pci
[08:52] <robotgeek> St^Anger^19m: maybe, maybe not.
[08:52] <AceMilo> what package do i need to play wmv video files?
[08:52] <JDahl> St^Anger^19m, it has a lot, but certainly not all. Most toolboxes are not that hard to hack up yourself, though
[08:52] <fantasai> how do I uninstall the network manager thing in the task bar?
[08:53] <timmy334> is there a known problem with xorg not working on default installs of Breezy?
[08:53] <varsendagger> tonyyarusso, depending on what you have to do some stuff in the ubjhuntu wiki is good stuff to know
[08:53] <fantasai> maybe if I set up the network by hand it'll actually work
[08:53] <tonyyarusso> varsendagger: Does Qcad do 3d?
[08:53] <varsendagger> tonyyarusso, no :(
[08:53] <St^Anger^19m> JDahl: i never did that :S...its tough to do 3rd party work when you got deadlines for the work i'm given :S
[08:53] <AceMilo> ubuntu is debian based correct?
[08:53] <timmy334> yes
[08:53] <gnomefreak> timmy334, i have never had a problem but linux does different things with different hardware
[08:54] <owner989> right acemilo
[08:54] <AceMilo> ok so i can dl packages for debian for it right
[08:54] <tonyyarusso> AceMilo: You can, but it's best to check for Ubuntu ones first.
[08:54] <AceMilo> i want to install videolan
[08:54] <timmy334> gnomefreak, yeah. it's just that it works flawlessly on Hoary, but a clean install of Breezy won't do diddly with xorg
[08:54] <JDahl> akonkwa, if you only need to translate matlab code to a free language, I would go for Octave
[08:54] <bimberi> tonyyarusso: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SettingUpSamba
[08:54] <robotgeek> St^Anger^19m: i did most work for my controls class in scilab
[08:55] <MAPD> help pls
[08:55] <MAPD> [19:52]  <MAPD> i needed
[08:55] <robotgeek> St^Anger^19m: and my thesis work in scipy
[08:55] <MAPD> [19:52]  <MAPD> to make my ubuntu server
[08:55] <MAPD> [19:52]  <MAPD> work as router
[08:55] <timmy334> gnomefreak, did Hoary use xorg or xfree86?
[08:55] <tonyyarusso> AceMilo: They aren't identical, but a lot of Debian stuff will still run just fine.  Most things are included in the Ubuntu repos, but for the things that aren't you can use Debian's.
[08:55] <St^Anger^19m> robotgeek: wow :)
[08:55] <varsendagger> MAPD, i don't know aobut sharing the connection, what kind of connection do you have?
[08:55] <hume> anyone knows if there is a way in linux ubuntu to make pdf files readable on a Palm Tungsten5? Adobe only supplies software for win and mac
[08:55] <gnomefreak> timmy334,  not sure i didnt use hoary for maor than a week
[08:55] <AceMilo> i found it in synaptic :)
[08:55] <tonyyarusso> Thanks versendagger and bimberi.
[08:55] <MAPD> varsendagger cable
[08:55] <St^Anger^19m> i'm still getting used to linux as a whole, i'm managing to set it up quicker than the previous try each time i install
[08:56] <bimberi> MAPD: does the server have a GUI ?look at firestarter for setting up 'internet connection sharing'
[08:56] <tonyyarusso> AceMilo: VLC is in the Ubuntu universe repo.
[08:56] <varsendagger> MAPD, i don't know i ahve a router allready
[08:56] <MAPD> bimberi i want ideas
[08:56] <AceMilo> yes i found it :)
[08:56] <MAPD> how to make it
[08:56] <MAPD> i havent set it up yet
[08:56] <St^Anger^19m> and with VMWare, you can't get stuck with a nonworking system :)
[08:57] <RAW-mEAT> hello, when i add THIS:  Section "Extensions"
[08:57] <RAW-mEAT>     Option "Composite" "true"
[08:57] <RAW-mEAT> EndSection         to my xorg.conf its unable to start.. it says unable to write .Xauthority file.. i set chmod 777 on .Xauthority :/ what can i do.. i want transparency on Xorg!
[08:57] <linux_n00b_e> You guys, you know what I realised today? Open Source software doesn't mean free software....
[08:57] <tonyyarusso> varsendagger: You can try checking http://www.linuxlinks.com/Software/Graphics/CAD/index.shtml.  A lot of the 3D ones are commercial though.
[08:58] <gnomefreak> linux_n00b_e,  free as in no money your right it doesnt open source means that you can change it anyway you want
[08:58] <bimberi> MAPD: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/forum/hardware/InternetConectionSharing?highlight=%28sharing%29
[08:58] <mlalkaka> hi. i'm looking for a description of the various repositories in ubuntu. can someone tell me where to look?
[08:58] <linux_n00b_e> I mean to really compete with the big comanies out there, the people that design software for Linux need money
[08:58] <MAPD> is it possible to make like
[08:58] <MAPD> active directory?
[08:59] <ubun-newbie> matrix@ubuntu:~$ perl
[08:59] <ubun-newbie> nothing happens
[08:59] <varsendagger> linux_n00b_e, that is true, you could take ubuntu and changse somethings around and sell it   -- i guess you wouod ahve to ignore the ubuntu code of ethics to
[08:59] <ubun-newbie> how do i start perl
[09:00] <fantasai> ubun-newbie: try installing the perl packages through Synaptic?
[09:00] <varsendagger> linux_n00b_e, you shold start programming for money
[09:00] <ubun-newbie> i did apt-get install perl
[09:00] <gnomefreak> varsendagger, i think it states you can re distrubute it for free and you have to have source code along with it
[09:00] <varsendagger> i paid for moneydance because it was good
[09:00] <St^Anger^19m> linux is just as good as any other OS, most advanced geekish features are transparent to users on any OS, both windows, mac and linux...what linux still has to work on a little is interface in my opinion..other than that, most things work perfectly.
[09:00] <linux_n00b_e> I came to Linux from the World of Apple. Not because apple sucks, but because I can't afford a Powerbook right now and I needed a viable OS solution for my Thinkpad
[09:00] <fantasai> ubun-newbie: and after you type perl into the command line, you just get a new command line or a blank prompt?
[09:01] <ubun-newbie> blank prompt
[09:01] <fantasai> type in "print 'Hello World';"
[09:01] <timmy334> linux_n00b_e, I agree. Ubuntu is a great distro for my HP zd8110, if I can get Breezy to f***ing work
[09:01] <fantasai> press enter
[09:01] <gnomefreak> try sudo?
[09:01] <fantasai> and type Ctrl+D
[09:01] <trappist> ubun-newbie: what are you trying to accomplish?  what do you expect to happen when you type perl?
[09:02] <linux_n00b_e> I agree, one of the only things that is holding Linux back is the lack of a solid consistent interface design. An Identity of it's own...
[09:02] <tonyyarusso> linux_n00b_e: I also am running on a Thinkpad.  Sadly, after paying for it to come with Windows.  They aren't shipping them OS-less yet.  :(
[09:02] <ubun-newbie>  perl
[09:02] <ubun-newbie> "print 'Hello World';"
[09:02] <gundu> hi
[09:02] <Matthew-> whats the package that sets up wireless?
[09:02] <ubun-newbie> nothing happens
[09:02] <St^Anger^19m> most would disagree with me and say "that what's nice, you have a choice", but the thing i dislike most is the different interfaces and menu system in different distros.....finally i decided to stick to ubuntu, come hell or high water
[09:02] <Matthew-> wireless tools or something?
[09:02] <mlalkaka> will ubuntu release firefox 1.5 on breezy, or do i have to wait until dapper?
[09:02] <gnomefreak> linux_n00b_e, what do you mean holding linux back?
[09:02] <AceMilo> thx all
[09:02] <tonyyarusso> Matthew-: Yes, wireless-tools.
[09:03] <shinu> if i run ssh -X, will i be able to run startx with the xserver appearing on the client machine and not the server machine?
[09:03] <gundu> trying to install an apache1.3 with php4, but every time when i try to install php4 via apt-get he only isntalls the libs for apache2, how could this be ?
[09:03] <fantasai> ubun-newbie: minus the quotes
[09:03] <fantasai> e.g. like this
[09:03] <neurocyte> mlalkaka, it's fairly unlikely imho
[09:03] <bones> hi
[09:03] <fantasai> $perl
[09:03] <tonyyarusso> mlalkaka: You have to wait for dapper technically, although breezy backports should get it eventually.
[09:03] <neurocyte> mlalkaka, firefox effects too many other packages
[09:03] <fantasai> print 'Hello World';
[09:03] <Madpilot> gundu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP
[09:04] <evan_> Synaptic Package Manager doesent seem to have libSDL_image-1.2.so.0 can anyone help me?
[09:04] <trappist> ubun-newbie: perl -e 'print "Hello World\n"'
[09:04] <ubun-newbie> perl
[09:04] <ubun-newbie> print 'hello world' ;
[09:04] <gnomefreak> linux isnt distobuted the way it is in hopes it will take over M$ it is an alternitive to M$
[09:04] <ubun-newbie> nothing happens
[09:04] <St^Anger^19m> neurocyte: that's another weakness...installing new software should be easier...
[09:04] <mlalkaka> tonyyarusso, does using the backports repository make you update all the software?
[09:04] <bimberi> mlalkaka: it may get backported, in the meantime there's https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[09:04] <ubun-newbie> perl -e 'print "Hello World\n"'
[09:04] <ubun-newbie> Hello World
[09:04] <trappist> ubun-newbie: ctrl-d
[09:04] <St^Anger^19m> i want Linux to take over M$ :)
[09:04] <evan_> Synaptic Package Manager doesent seem to have libSDL_image-1.2.so.0 can anyone help me?
[09:04] <linux_n00b_e> What I mean is that as good as Linux is, the average person that uses a computer has to have something to identify with. People who swear by Apple identify themselves with the look and style of Apple. Even people who swear by Windows identify themselves with the look and style of Apple.
[09:05] <trappist> ubun-newbie: what are you trying to accomplish.
[09:05] <mlalkaka> St^Anger^19m, then how would we show people how damn good linux is?
[09:05] <ubun-newbie> now if i want to put a file
[09:05] <ubun-newbie> how do  i do it
[09:05] <Kyral> linux_n00b_e: Its called the penguin :D
[09:05] <trappist> ubun-newbie: /join #perl
[09:05] <evan_> can anyone help me?
[09:05] <fantasai> ubun-newbie: perl filename
[09:05] <mlalkaka> St^Anger^19m, lol we need m$ as an example of how bad an OS could be
[09:05] <fantasai> ubun-newbie: will execute filename as a perl script
[09:05] <gnomefreak> linux_n00b_e,  i agree but people that use linux have things they like about it and can identify with
[09:06] <St^Anger^19m> mlalkaka: what kind of good?
[09:06] <St^Anger^19m> as in
[09:06] <tonyyarusso> mlalkaka: I have no idea.  I'm just telling you what others have told me.  I've never used backports yet.
[09:06] <Kyral> evan_: what is the package again?
[09:06] <gundu> yes Madpilot its for apache2.. but i want a apache1.3
[09:06] <evan_> Synaptic Package Manager doesent seem to have libSDL_image-1.2.so.0 can anyone help me?
[09:06] <mlalkaka> tonyyarusso, thanks
[09:06] <St^Anger^19m> i still find myself comfy with windows...i admit i'm not running a server here...just a normal desktop
[09:06] <Kyral> evan_: gimme a sec to search mkay?
[09:06] <evan_> ok
[09:06] <linux_n00b_e> Because there are so many different Linux distros more often than not choose to not collaborate, Linux has no broad range style and look. And don't confuse a Logo with style and look, they are two different things.
[09:06] <St^Anger^19m> i like linux coz it's Different
[09:06] <Madpilot> gundu: ah, OK - no idea about 1.3, sorry
[09:06] <St^Anger^19m> so i'm getting used to it
[09:07] <Matthew-> is wireless-tools not included on the install cd?
[09:07] <yuri> hello. I have two hardrives. windows on primary and ubunti on secondary. I partitioned ext3 space ftom my primary. How do I mount that new partition into ununtu?
[09:07] <LeeColleton> St^Anger^19m: when you get used to it, it stops being different.  careful: you may stop liking it then
[09:07] <crypticreign[w] > what package is Xlib.h in?
[09:07] <St^Anger^19m> in 5 months i learnt a lot...i can configure my ubuntu installation in a few hours
[09:07] <gnomefreak> linux_n00b_e,  linux will always have one thing that will never change "the terminal" that is what you can call linux trademark in the sence that thats how people know of linux
[09:07] <crypticreign[w] > i dont see like a xorg-devel or anything
[09:07] <mlalkaka> St^Anger^19m, exactly. linux is very different from m$ windows. that's why m$ needs to exist (a little) -- it shows the other side of the spectrum
[09:07] <tonyyarusso> Matthew-: I think it is, but if not you can always apt-get it.
[09:07] <St^Anger^19m> mlalkaka: M$ is expensive. :)
[09:08] <Kyral> evan_: try libsdl-image1.2
[09:08] <Matthew-> tony - how do i access settings from terminal?
[09:08] <St^Anger^19m> the only thing i miss from windows is the click and install part
[09:08] <tonyyarusso> yuri: Check the output of fdisk to find out what that partition is, and add it to /etc/fstab, then mount it.
[09:08] <Kyral> St^Anger^19m: Ironically I hate that
[09:08] <evan_> nope, nothing
[09:08] <Kyral> Apt-Get forever!
[09:08] <linux_n00b_e> Also, the average computer user wants something that is user friendly and "just works" right out of the box. A person who has no experience using the terminal will not look at Linux as a replacement for Windows even if they hate Windows. They will feel that it;;s too much work or that the learning curve is too high.....
[09:08] <gnomefreak> St^Anger^19m,  you think MS is expoensive? go look at mac osx and check the price :(
[09:08] <yuri> will do. thanks
[09:08] <_jason> St^Anger^19m, ubuntu has right click and install without virus worries :D
[09:08] <St^Anger^19m> where each software is treated as one set...makes more logical sense to me imho...but i'm not dumping linux..i believe some work in the GUI will get it there
[09:08] <Kyral> evan_: hmm what are you running? Breezy?
[09:09] <tonyyarusso> Matthew-: Depends on the setting.  ifconfig and iwconfig seem to cover it though, and then see their helps and man pages.
[09:09] <evan_> umm
[09:09] <GTroy> uhm is there a good rar app?
[09:09] <JDahl> linux_n00b_e, who said linux is everyone?
[09:09] <evan_> i dunno lol
[09:09] <JDahl> linux_n00b_e, who said linux is for everyone?
[09:09] <St^Anger^19m> JDahl: why not make it for every1?
[09:09] <hedonick> St^Anger^19m: especially fun is MS CAL (client access licenes)..  sometimes you end up paying for just accessing a MS server
[09:09] <Kyral> JDahl: I did
[09:09] <owner989> linux_n00b_e i agree that a functional gui is very useful but the terminal is more powerful for many tasks
[09:09] <Kyral> Actually Stallman did through the GPL
[09:09] <Kyral> from a legal stance :D
[09:10] <St^Anger^19m> owner989: terminal is more powerful yes, but how many beginners will use it?
[09:10] <Kyral> St^Anger^19m: They will
[09:10] <Kyral> if they learn
[09:10] <owner989> people used to use dos
[09:10] <Kyral> just like anything else
[09:10] <St^Anger^19m> Kyral: i did, because i had to
[09:10] <rambo3> yeah "peopl"
[09:10] <jgrieves> if i had a nickel for every terminal/gui debate...
[09:10] <JDahl> St^Anger^19m, I fail to see why linux will become better because everyone is using it... linux is great because it suits the needs of developers mostly
[09:10] <Kyral> You had no clue how to use Windows
[09:10] <Kyral> but then you learned
[09:10] <Kyral> and then it was easy
[09:10] <mz2> is there any repo where one could get Firefox 1.5 for Dapper?
[09:10] <rambo3> ms aint bad as dell and apple
[09:10] <Kyral> same thing here
[09:10] <Kyral> mz2: I should be there
[09:10] <jgrieves> !firefox15
[09:10] <ubotu> hmm... firefox15 is see the wiki at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion for information on how to install Firefox 1.5 from mozilla.org
[09:10] <evan_> hmm i think i have the latest one i downloaded and instaled it yester day
[09:10] <Kyral> or something like 1.49999
[09:10] <fantasai> Kyral: Windows and Mac didn't require manuals for basic stuff
[09:10] <St^Anger^19m> but i learn windows a tad quicker :S
[09:10] <mz2> the build that's currently available through ubuntu itself is still Deer Park
[09:11] <linux_n00b_e> What needs to happen is that all of the major distros need to come together and create a unified body where they can agree that it's alright to have their various versions of Linux, but it's also ok to have standards that work for everybody regardless of what distro a person uses.
[09:11] <jgrieves> oh dapper
[09:11] <owner989> mz2 no official repo
[09:11] <tonyyarusso> linux_n00b_e: What I've found is that everything I used to do on Windows I can do through the GUI here, but I've also learned of some terminal things which are super-handy, so I can do more powerful stuff.
[09:11] <Kyral> fantasai: describe basic stuff
[09:11] <fantasai> Kyral: you could expore most of the settings
[09:11] <owner989> but i can post an unofficial install link
[09:11] <Kyral> Its called GNOME Control Center
[09:11] <mz2> owner989: doesn't have to be unofficial
[09:11] <mz2> official
[09:11] <Kyral> GUI right there
[09:11] <mz2> :)
[09:11] <owner989> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[09:11] <fantasai> Kyral: install games, play them, use a word processor, nowadays it's also Setting up networking
[09:11] <linux_n00b_e> That is true, but you're not an average user.
[09:11] <owner989> btw ff 1.5 is really fast
[09:11] <Kyral> games you have me on
[09:11] <fantasai> Kyral: print
[09:11] <Kyral> but Ubuntu comes with OO.org2
[09:11] <evan_> hmm i think i have the latest one i downloaded and instaled it yester day
[09:11] <fantasai> Kyral: I can't print in Ubunut
[09:12] <Kyral> which is better than Office in most cases
[09:12] <linux_n00b_e> We're talking about the people who only download music or read email.
[09:12] <Kyral> linux_n00b_e: then its set up
[09:12] <fantasai> Kyral: I can't get a network connection that isn't extremely flaky
[09:12] <gnomefreak> one thing that will always be better than MS about linux you can make it as you like it not as gates likes it
[09:12] <Kyral> fantasai: what are you usinf Wireless?
[09:12] <owner989> ubuntu was pretty easy to setup imho linux_n00b_e
[09:12] <jgrieves> so anyway my intrd is no longer mounting /dev stuff, do i need to recompile intrd?
[09:12] <fantasai> Kyral: both wireless and ethernet
[09:12] <Kyral> Wireless would be the signal problem
[09:12] <halibut> [20:12]  linux_n00b_e We're talking about the people who only download music or read email.   0o    setting up bittorrent is more difficult than installing most modern linux distros
[09:12] <fantasai> Kyral: it isn't so much that it cuts out intermittently (it does sometimes) but that it just won't connect to the network which is there
[09:12] <evan_> oh well i guess it doeent matter........
[09:12] <Kyral> I have never had a wired conn not auto picked up by Linux
[09:13] <Kyral> evan_: sorry
[09:13] <fantasai> Kyral: oh, no. I get full signal from here
[09:13] <gnomefreak> oops almost forgot its a lot safer than MS :)
[09:13] <Kyral> I got distracted
[09:13] <fantasai> Kyral: it's a configuration problem
[09:13] <St^Anger^19m> Linux is a great new system to experiment with....i'm just discouraged to do "everything" with it, because i like the download .exe file, double click, install and use
[09:13] <GTroy> is rar a good app?
[09:13] <Kyral> Then go to the network setup app
[09:13] <tonyyarusso> linux_n00b_e: If that's all they're doing, I'd say the GUI is probably sufficient, yes.   W00H00 YOU TO HELL AND YOU DIE
[09:13] <fantasai> Kyral: it doesn't do anything for me
[09:13] <jgrieves> so anyway my intrd is no longer mounting /dev stuff, do i need to recompile intrd?
[09:13] <owner989> St^Anger^19m you can run exe in linux
[09:13] <owner989> just install wine
[09:13] <owner989> i can double click and install win32 programs
[09:13] <fantasai> Kyral: half the time I have to reboot to get things to work
[09:14] <fantasai> Kyral: which is not ok
[09:14] <Kyral> fantasai: you always had to reboot in Window
[09:14] <St^Anger^19m> owner989: that's the point....its not what u CAN do..its HOW u do it that matters
[09:14] <tonyyarusso> linux_n00b_e: And getting to the Ubuntu GUI is at least as easy as for Windows.  (I can tell you one thing, it certainly takes less time!)
[09:14] <fantasai> Kyral: uh, no
[09:14] <Kyral> Yah
[09:14] <jbroome> woohoo
[09:14] <Kyral> Everytime you installed a driver
[09:14] <Kyral> reboot
[09:14] <simone> hi all, i have a connection problem on kubuntu, May I ask here?
[09:14] <St^Anger^19m> i dont mind rebooting
[09:14] <St^Anger^19m> as long as its "easier" to me
[09:14] <fantasai> Kyral: how often do I install a driver, though? almost never
[09:14] <fantasai> Kyral: I switch networks very often though
[09:14] <Kyral> Thats a good thing ;D
[09:14] <owner989> i only reboot to play some games
[09:14] <fantasai> Kyral: and windows doesn't require a reboot
[09:14] <Kyral> well I think there is an app
[09:15] <fantasai> Kyral: but Ubuntu often does
[09:15] <Madpilot> fantasai: I've had regular applications in Windows demand a reboot after installation...
[09:15] <owner989> fantasai ever try ctrl-alt-backspace?
[09:15] <Kyral> fantasai: I assume you are on a laptop yes?
[09:15] <fantasai> Madpilot: iTunes?
[09:15] <linux_n00b_e> Instead of always having to compile a program ourselves, programmers should come up with an installer program that offers a choice: Let the installer install a basic installation of a program for you or press here and the terminal will open and you can compile the program yourself.
[09:15] <fantasai> owner989: to restart XWindows? no. I should try that, though :)
[09:15] <fantasai> owner989: but still, it shouldnt' be necessary
[09:15] <owner989> yes fantasai it restarts x
[09:15] <Kyral> linux_n00b_e: its called Apt-Get
[09:16] <fantasai> linux_n00b_e: use Synaptic
[09:16] <St^Anger^19m> for example....some work on the XPDE would be great
[09:16] <Madpilot> fantasai: no, not iTunes, can't remember now - more than one app, over the years
[09:16] <Kyral> Apt-Get, Portage
[09:16] <tonyyarusso> St^Anger^19m: I was at the "experiment with it" stage a while ago, but this morning I reformatted the drive an left Windows as dual-boot, but stole all of the extra space for Ubuntu, which has gone from brand new to my primary OS over the last 4 months.
[09:16] <Kyral> Urpmi
[09:16] <linux_n00b_e> But with 'apt-get' you still have to use the Terimanl... that defeats the purpose.
[09:16] <fantasai> linux_n00b_e: it's much better than windows installation, because it pulls in all dependencies without duplicating them and keeps things up to date very very easily
[09:16] <owner989> synaptic is not terminal
[09:16] <Kyral> Then use Synaptic
[09:16] <Kyral> and you will quickly find the terminal faster
[09:16] <Kyral> Terminal != Bad
[09:16] <owner989> terminal is great
[09:17] <St^Anger^19m> updating with linux is 10,000 easier than on windows...that's a fact
[09:17] <fantasai> granted Synaptic could use a bit more work to make its lists human-readable
[09:17] <owner989> people forget windows xp has a command prompt
[09:17] <St^Anger^19m> but setting drivers up on linux was hell for me :(
[09:17] <Kyral> owner989: you mean that bastardized version of DOS?
[09:17] <owner989> lol kyral
[09:17] <tonyyarusso> linux_n00b-e: I think I've only compiled about three things after learning of apt/Synaptic/Breezy's new ever-so-nifty Add Applications.
[09:17] <linux_n00b_e> And using Synaptic or Adept can some times be confusing because they each install programs in different manners depending on the distro you ahve.
[09:17] <owner989> but its still useful for some tasks kyral
[09:18] <jgrieves> Kyral sadly that is actually almost true in both a cursing and literal sense
[09:18] <Kyral> linux_n00b_e: Synaptic works mostly on Debian based things
[09:18] <Kyral> which means Apt-Get
[09:18] <St^Anger^19m> synaptic is cool...but apt-get on console is quicker, once u know the commands
[09:18] <Kyral> IN THEORY if I wanted to I could change this into a Debian Sid install by changing my sources list
[09:18] <gnomefreak> wasnt unix made public before dos?
[09:18] <St^Anger^19m> having both is even greater ;)
[09:18] <Kyral> and you think I use the full commands?
[09:18] <Kyral> Hell no I use aliases
[09:19] <tonyyarusso> Kyral: Yes, that one that's the only thing you can use after Windows dies.  I've saved a few computers because of MS command prompts.
[09:19] <welp> w00t
[09:19] <Kyral> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade turns into aptUI
[09:19] <owner989> unix is from 1968 gnome
[09:19] <welp> here asd well?
[09:19] <welp> *as
[09:19] <St^Anger^19m> btwwww
[09:19] <afonit> anyone know of a good gnome taks manager?
[09:19] <gnomefreak> owner989, yes i know but wasnt dos made public in the 70s?
[09:19] <St^Anger^19m> as a linux newbie...5 months old :) i need to ask a question
[09:19] <linux_n00b_e> All I'm saying is that distro programs need to start thinking about the common users of the world if they ever really want to knock Gates out of the box....
[09:19] <afonit> task manager
[09:20] <Kyral> System Monitor
[09:20] <afonit> like -to do manager
[09:20] <owner989> thats true gnomefreak
[09:20] <Kyral> linux_n00b_e: our goal isn't domination
[09:20] <St^Anger^19m> my machines seems less responsive on linux than on windows...even with the 686-smp kernel
[09:20] <linux_n00b_e> That's not the point, Kyral
[09:20] <owner989> is dma enabled St^Anger^19m
[09:20] <zAo^> St^Anger^19m, installed the VGA driver?
[09:20] <Kyral> The GPL is about choice
[09:20] <gnomefreak> so to say terminal is a bastardize version of dos would be incorrect in the sence that dos is a bastardized version of unix :)
[09:20] <Kyral> Linux is about choice
[09:21] <St^Anger^19m> i installed nvdia driver yes
[09:21] <St^Anger^19m> wot about DMA?
[09:21] <owner989> dma should be enabled be default in ubuntu
[09:21] <tonyyarusso> afonit: gtodo
[09:21] <yuri> when putting info into fstab to mount an ext3 partition, what do I put under the "options" ?
[09:21] <Kyral> owner989: normally it is
[09:21] <owner989> all computers for the past 10 years have dma
[09:21] <Kyral> for HD
[09:21] <gundu> when i type /etc/init.d/apache2 start nothing happens, the error.log is empty
[09:21] <afonit> tonyyarusso: ty
[09:21] <gundu> what can i do ?
[09:21] <Kyral> yuri: users, auto, rw
[09:21] <yuri> thanks
[09:21] <linux_n00b_e> The reason the average person likes Apple is because it "just works" right out of the box. If you don't know anything about the Terminal, you don't have to use it.
[09:21] <zAo^> gundu, /var/log/messages?
[09:21] <Kyral> linux_n00b_e: the same with Ubuntu
[09:22] <Kyral> hell we give you the guide in the help menu
[09:22] <linux_n00b_e> But if you do, that just increases what you can do with the OS
[09:22] <owner989> linux_n00b_e apples are too simplistic
[09:22] <tonyyarusso> yuri: The first time I did it I just copied the other lines, and then learned later to add umask=000, and that did it.
[09:22] <Kyral> You NEVER have to touch the commandline if you don't want o
[09:22] <gundu> zAo^, nothing in it about apache
[09:22] <tonyyarusso> linux_n00b_e: Precisely.
[09:22] <gnomefreak> linux_n00b_e,  first off you dont ever have to use terminal anymore well maybe once in a blue moon if you dont want to next if linux was to compete with MS why even bother having linux?
[09:22] <Kyral> tonyyarusso: thats only for FAT32
[09:22] <fantasai> Kyral: supposedly
[09:23] <fantasai> Kyral: but it's not really true
[09:23] <Kyral> Add Repos, go to Synaptic and hit the checkboxes
[09:23] <MAPD> is it possible to make like active directory?
[09:23] <tonyyarusso> Kyral: Right.  Which mine was.  Sorry for not making that clear.
[09:23] <Kyral> I actually know why as well
[09:23] <GTroy> anyone know how to use rar?
[09:23] <Kyral> lol
[09:23] <St^Anger^19m> Kyral: I disagree...i need w32codec...all help tells me to sue command line...i need gstreamer...all the help tells me to use command line
[09:23] <linux_n00b_e> owner989: that's because you are comfortable with compiling everything yourself and using the Terminal. The average user is not. They like things simplistic.
[09:23] <zAo^> GTroy, install unrar-nonfree
[09:23] <St^Anger^19m> if i want a codec on windows...i download and click
[09:23] <Kyral> St^Anger^19m: thats because its faster
[09:23] <fantasai> Kyral: i had to hand edit a config file to get suspend working here
[09:23] <Kyral> your point?
[09:23] <gnomefreak> St^Anger^19m, synaptic should have gstreamer in it
[09:23] <yuri> so is there a diff between setting it up as  users, auto, rw  and umask=000?
[09:24] <owner989> you dont really need to compile anything nowadays
[09:24] <yuri> or do I put both?
[09:24] <GTroy> aAo^: not just rar?
[09:24] <Kyral> St^Anger^19m: its easier for use to say "run this command" than to say "Click here, clikck here, click here..."
[09:24] <gnomefreak> apt-get and synaptic have the same packages
[09:24] <fantasai> Kyral: that shouldn't be necessary for something so basic
[09:24] <zAo^> GTroy, also possible ;)
[09:24] <tonyyarusso> yuri: Do what Kyral said.
[09:24] <zAo^> GTroy, then start file-roller
[09:24] <yuri> ok
[09:24] <linux_n00b_e> The goal is not to dominate but to survive. If you don't take the proper steps to survive now, who's to say that we'll still be able to use Linux in 10, 20 years from now?
[09:24] <GTroy> ah ok
[09:24] <St^Anger^19m> Kyral..yes command line is faster than GUI if u know how to use it...but the GUI should be better for those who dont wish to tinket with console...
[09:24] <Kyral> fantasai: you should have seen what linux on laptops was like 2 years ago
[09:24] <Kyral> St^Anger^19m: What tinkering?
[09:24] <Kyral> We tell you what to do
[09:25] <St^Anger^19m> as in...learning commands
[09:25] <jgrieves> so anyway my intrd is no longer mounting /dev stuff, do i need to recompile intrd?
[09:25] <St^Anger^19m> anyways
[09:25] <St^Anger^19m> back to my issue
[09:25] <Kyral> the notion that commandline = scary is FALSE
[09:25] <linux_n00b_e> Which brings me back to my original point: Open Source does not mean free.
[09:25] <Kyral> jgrieves: I don't think so...
[09:25] <St^Anger^19m> firefox on windows starts in around 1 to 2 seconds
[09:25] <jgrieves> Kyral rm -rf / :)
[09:25] <gnomefreak> linux_n00b_e,  linux/unix oses have been around for a very long time and still running strong and it started as unix
[09:25] <St^Anger^19m> if i run it on linux..it takes some 6 seconds to load..why? :(
[09:25] <jgrieves> my grandma doesn't know wha ta ocmmand line is or understand its, its not tangible hence scary
[09:25] <Kyral> hmm, check your HD stuff
[09:25] <fantasai> Kyral: I was using Linux on my laptop 2 years ago
[09:25] <jgrieves> HD iis good
[09:26] <Kyral> jgrieves: fear of the unknown
[09:26] <Kyral> jgrieves: what was to St^Anger^19m
[09:26] <jgrieves> was ok
[09:26] <fantasai> Kyral: suspend worked
[09:26] <Kyral> St^Anger^19m: look if your HD is doing a lot of activity during that time
[09:26] <linux_n00b_e> If we want to enable Linux to survive we need to get better at supporting the programmers who put everything into the programs we use to make them better.
[09:26] <pawdro> ive just compiled new kernel, how should i do mkinitrd with new System.map and bzImage??
[09:26] <gnomefreak> St^Anger^19m, has alot to do with the suorce code and also the way windows and linux use the file system and cache and crap :)
[09:26] <St^Anger^19m> no....i just log onto linux.....and then open firfoex...
[09:26] <Millenniumgroup> If you're not willing to learn a new/better/logical system why bother? Im tired of listening to poor windows souls.. trying to bash a great system as linux... :)
[09:27] <Kyral> then do in a terminal sudo hdparm </root/device>
[09:27] <owner989> linux_n00b_e but its upto programmers to release their programs for linux
[09:27] <Kyral> linux_n00b_e: I work so you don't have to. We will NEVER be a clone of Windows
[09:27] <St^Anger^19m> gnomefreak: so i can't fix the speed issue/
[09:27] <St^Anger^19m> ?
[09:27] <Kyral> We are not windows
[09:27] <GTroy> zAo^: done thanks
[09:27] <Millenniumgroup> word ^^ Kyral!
[09:27] <zAo^> GTroy, np
[09:27] <Kyral> St^Anger^19m: do sudo hdparm </root/dev>
[09:27] <Kyral> and see if it says using DMA
[09:27] <linux_n00b_e> Programmers who have the proper funding can not only release their programs for Linux , but for other OS's so that people can see what they are missing in Linux....
[09:27] <owner989> still i think linux has improved a lot over the past few years
[09:28] <Kyral> linux_n00b_e: its the GPL
[09:28] <Kyral> you can release a Linux proggy on Windows, OSX, hell even on AMIGA
[09:28] <gnomefreak> St^Anger^19m,  you can change the settings internally in firefox i think its about:firefox but i dont remember what the about address is
[09:28] <linux_n00b_e> And as users we need to start demanding that other software companies make port of their programs for active use on Linux OS.
[09:28] <yuri> it worked. thank you, tonyyarusso and kyral
[09:29] <Millenniumgroup> owner989 yup, windows is still stoneage :D
[09:29] <Kyral> yuri: Glad to be of service
[09:29] <tonyyarusso> yuri: Good to hear.
[09:29] <gnomefreak> linux_n00b_e,  that would make linux no more free than MS
[09:29] <St^Anger^19m> Kyral...the command ugave didnt work
[09:29] <owner989> Millenniumgroup hehe
[09:29] <Kyral> St^Anger^19m: what did it say?
[09:29] <owner989> the usb support in particular is much better in linux than a few years ago
[09:29] <_jason> gnomefreak, St^Anger^19m about:config ?
[09:29] <Kyral> it wouldn't change anything it just outputs the statement
[09:29] <gnomefreak> people want money to write programs
[09:30] <Kyral> not true
[09:30] <gnomefreak> _jason, thank you thats it
[09:30] <Kyral> Look at all the GPL'd software
[09:30] <owner989> there are plenty of commercial linux programs gnomefreak
[09:30] <St^Anger^19m> bash: syntax error near expected token newline
[09:30] <linux_n00b_e> The OS can still be "free" and the basic packages that come with Linux can still be free, but if you want more robust software, those are  things that you will have to buy.
[09:30] <Millenniumgroup> people want money for their time..
[09:30] <_jason> St^Anger^19m, in the url bar
[09:30] <_jason> St^Anger^19m, of firefox
[09:30] <Millenniumgroup> that doesn't mean we can help out on our free time
[09:30] <Kyral> _jason: he's doing somehting I told him I think
[09:30] <St^Anger^19m> _jason...yes i know about the firefox bar
[09:30] <_jason> St^Anger^19m, my bad
[09:30] <gnomefreak> owner989,  yes but now if you have companies writing programs that run on windows for linux you mean to tell me they wouldnt wanna get paid and in turn raise the rates for linux?
[09:31] <linux_n00b_e> That's the business model that Red Hat and Novell follow and it
[09:31] <MAPD> hello!
[09:31] <St^Anger^19m> np
[09:31] <MAPD> help!?
[09:31] <linux_n00b_e> is working...
[09:31] <owner989> but some things will never happen
[09:31] <owner989> ie ms releasing microsoft office for linux
[09:31] <Kyral> St^Anger^19m: try "sudo hdparm /dev/whatever" where wherever is the name of your root disk (most likely hda)
[09:31] <pawdro> i cant find mkinitrd in system
[09:31] <Kyral> w/o the ""
[09:31] <St^Anger^19m> i dont use MS Office
[09:31] <pawdro> what to do?
[09:31] <St^Anger^19m> Open Office is excellent
[09:31] <St^Anger^19m> even on windows
[09:31] <Kyral> I <3 Export to PDF
[09:31] <tonyyarusso> Open Office is very nice.
[09:31] <linux_n00b_e> The main reason that I bring this up is because of Adobe.
[09:31] <JDahl> MAPD, help with what?
[09:32] <MAPD> does linux have an active directory system?
[09:32] <tonyyarusso> Much better than the chunk of cash I spent on MS Office before I found out about it.  (There's always next time...)
[09:32] <St^Anger^19m> Kyral: using_dam is set to ON
[09:32] <Kyral> St^Anger^19m: so its not DMA
[09:32] <linux_n00b_e> For my Web development programming I use macromedia studio 8.
[09:32] <Kyral> whats your memory status
[09:32] <tonyyarusso> linux_n00b_e: What about Adobe?
[09:32] <Kyral> ie, how much is being used
[09:33] <St^Anger^19m> i have 1 gig of corsair ram.....
[09:33] <Kyral> hmmm
[09:33] <linux_n00b_e> But now that the merger has gone thru they have raised the price significantly on the studio 8 bundle.
[09:33] <Kyral> Wait this is FF 1?
[09:33] <JDahl> MAPD, I dont know what that is. Also, if noone answers you, it's because noone knows the answer
[09:33] <St^Anger^19m> how cani tell u amount being used?
[09:33] <MAPD> ok thank
[09:33] <MAPD> s
[09:33] <Kyral> St^Anger^19m: go to the System Monitor in either System Tools or Accessories
[09:33] <linux_n00b_e> Actually theu have bundles their Creative suite 2 sof with the Studio 8 sof and the price: $1899.99
[09:34] <Kyral> and why is this our problem?
[09:34] <Kyral> If you don't want to pay find a GPL Solution
[09:34] <tonyyarusso> I haven't found anything yet where there wasn't a GPL version of what I used before on Windows.
[09:35] <St^Anger^19m> Kyral: 170 megs of ram are being used
[09:35] <Dex-Freudii> I have some trouble with a webcam.. Can anybody please help me out?
[09:35] <linux_n00b_e> but the truth of the matter is that most GPL solutions are not as robust as the stuf that you have to pay for.
[09:35] <Kyral> WTF?!
[09:35] <Kyral> a microsoft cloak?
[09:35] <owner989> theres lots of junk programs for windows
[09:35] <drobbins> Kyral: yeah yeah yeah
[09:35] <drobbins> :)
[09:35] <Kyral> at least you aren't Balmar or Gates ;P
[09:35] <EY> does anybody know how f-spot works?
[09:36] <drobbins> Kyral: right-o
[09:36] <Kyral> EY: How?
[09:36] <linux_n00b_e> I don't REALLy want to have to pay $1899 for the things that I need to work, but the alternatives for Linux jsut aren't robust enough.
[09:36] <drobbins> anyone know a good email for contacting Mark Shuttleworth?
[09:36] <phadron>  un canale italiano ?
[09:36] <_jason> !it
[09:36] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[09:36] <Kyral> You want Mark or the Community Council?
[09:36] <owner989> what do you want to discuss drobbins
[09:36] <drobbins> Kyral: Mark
[09:36] <St^Anger^19m> many ppl download illegal versions of the commercial software anyway...
[09:36] <tonyyarusso> linux_n00b_e: I haven't seen much the evidence of that.  Although I haven't learned enough about Gimp to do everything I did in Fireworks yet.
[09:36] <EY> Kyral, where does it store pictures?
[09:36] <Kyral> gimme a sec
[09:36] <linux_n00b_e> Why do you think so many people spend so much time trying to get Wine or pear OS to work?
[09:36] <drobbins> owner989: I want to pass on a resume
[09:36] <phadron> _jason, hi give me a italian chanel of ubuntu please
[09:36] <Kyral> EY $HOME/Photos
[09:36] <tonyyarusso> EY: I ran it once, but didn't do much.
[09:37] <_jason> phadron, Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[09:37] <phadron> _jason, thanks ;)
[09:37] <JDahl> linux_n00b_e, mostly for gaming, I assume
[09:37] <EY> Kyral, so if i tell it to export pictures from my pictures folder it will create a new one?
[09:37] <St^Anger^19m> _jason: your italian is pretty good ;)
[09:37] <ubun-newbie> i get errors when i run sudo gedit
[09:37] <_jason> St^Anger^19m, thanks ;o
[09:37] <ubun-newbie> ** (gedit:7641): CRITICAL **: gedit_prefs_manager_get_int: assertion `gedit_prefs_manager->gconf_client != NULL' failed
[09:37] <_jason> !botsnack
[09:37] <ubotu> thanks _jason :)
[09:37] <Kyral> EY: If you import from a camera it will put them in there
[09:37] <linux_n00b_e> No not for gaming. To be able to use the programs that they are used to.
[09:37] <Matthew-> when i inter iwconfig wlan0 essid "Name"
[09:38] <St^Anger^19m> _jason: where are u from?
[09:38] <Matthew-> it doesn't change it
[09:38] <Kyral> if you import from a folder it will leave them where they are
[09:38] <ubun-newbie> (gedit:7641): CRITICAL **: gedit_prefs_manager_get_bool: assertion `gedit_prefs_manager->gconf_client != NULL' failed
[09:38] <Matthew-> then i type iwconfig and it says essid off/any
[09:38] <XxFREDdiexX> were can i find a win xp cd crack
[09:38] <_jason> St^Anger^19m, portugal in the US, i just copied the italian thing from ubotu
[09:38] <linux_n00b_e> Let's run it down: apple-great os, but the hardware cost too much.
[09:38] <EY> Kyral, ok. that's kinda silly, it should let me specify where i want the pictures stored.
[09:38] <St^Anger^19m> oh ic lol
[09:38] <LoPMX> hello
[09:38] <tonyyarusso> Matthew-: Does it tell you anything else?
[09:38] <LoPMX> linux_n00b_e: i must agree
[09:38] <linux_n00b_e> Windoze: Horrible os and most of the hardware sucks UNLESS you build it yourself.
[09:39] <zwnj> where's the famous *nmap* in breezy?
[09:39] <jasonjdp> anybody know how to make it so i dont get this error "cant change attributes, disk is read only" when i try to change permissions on a ntfs drive so i can access it over samba?
[09:39] <LoPMX> linux_n00b_e: OS X is the best unix based system nowadays
[09:39] <Kyral> zwnj: sudo apt-get install nmap
[09:39] <phadron> how can I start my adsl connection with Ubuntu ?
[09:39] <St^Anger^19m> OS X has a pretty GUI...that's all it has over Linux
[09:39] <zwnj> Kyral: i searched with synaptic, but it's not there!
[09:39] <linux_n00b_e> Linux: great OS, but for the average users too confusing. Too high a lerning curve.
[09:39] <hippytyre> ello everybody
[09:39] <MAPD> hi
[09:39] <william> hello
[09:39] <MAPD> anyone knows a good control panel?
[09:39] <MAPD> like cpanel?
[09:39] <tonyyarusso> zwnj & Kyral: What is nmap?
[09:39] <JDahl> jasonjdp, ntfs write support is not included in the Ubuntu kernel, AFAIK
[09:40] <Kyral> ubotu tell zwnj about repos
[09:40] <linux_n00b_e> What you fail to understand about Apple is that OS X IS Unix.
[09:40] <meuserj|work> tonyyarusso, port scanner
[09:40] <zwnj> Kyral: i have breezy, breezy-updates, breezy-security, breezy-backports
[09:40] <hippytyre> just installing ubuntu for the first time on my laptop :D
[09:40] <william> exit
[09:40] <tonyyarusso> Ah.
[09:40] <dragoon> morning
[09:40] <phadron> any italians ?
[09:40] <meuserj|work> zwnj, do you universe and multiverse ?
[09:40] <zwnj> meuserj|work: yep
[09:40] <hedonick> phadron: try #ubuntu-it
[09:40] <linux_n00b_e> yes, the GUI looks completely different and yes, it does use a different proccessor for right now...
[09:40] <_jason> linux_n00b_e, if you stick someone who has never used a computer in front of windows it will be just as foreign as linux
[09:40] <drobbins> ho hum
[09:40] <LoPMX> phadron: click Start on bottom left, choose Connect With: Adsl
[09:40] <linux_n00b_e> but basically it's UNIX
[09:41] <phadron> hedonick, I am in that chanel
[09:41] <LoPMX> ;]
[09:41] <Kyral> sorry
[09:41] <tonyyarusso> _jason: Very true.  I've seen my grandma try.
[09:41] <EY> Kyral, i'll stick with gthumb :-)
[09:41] <linux_n00b_e> This is true...
[09:41] <phadron> LoPMX,  have you Ubuntu ?
[09:41] <owner989> drobbins this link may help http://www.ubuntulinux.org/employment/document_view
[09:41] <Kyral> drobbins: its odd for a guy with a MS Cloak to come in and ask for sabdfl's addy
[09:41] <zwnj> meuserj|work: main restricted universe multiverse for all repos
[09:41] <LoPMX> phadron: yup
[09:41] <phadron> LoPMX, I want my adsl starts at boot of Ubuntu
[09:41] <meuserj|work> zwnj, hmmm....
[09:41] <XxFREDdiexX> were can i get a win xp cd key
[09:41] <St^Anger^19m> so why does Win rule the market ? :(
[09:41] <drobbins> Kyral: we normally talk on irc so I don't have a good email
[09:41] <Kyral> ah :P
[09:41] <Kyral> okay
[09:42] <gnomefreak> XxFREDdiexX,  try #windows
[09:42] <LoPMX> XxFREDdiexX: serials.ws
[09:42] <hedonick> tonyyarusso: and then you have the pleasure of trying to explain adware/spyware to your grandma... that should go over well :)
[09:42] <Kyral> soryr I just have alarms going off
[09:42] <LoPMX> marcin_: czesc!
[09:42] <tonyyarusso> St^Anger^19m: Illegal monopolistic operations, like the courts found.
[09:42] <meuserj|work> XxFREDdiexX, not here...
[09:42] <St^Anger^19m> tonyyarusso: lolll
[09:42] <St^Anger^19m> ok
[09:42] <linux_n00b_e> lol!
[09:42] <yuri> hey... need somemore help with mounting that partition... It mounted fine but it won'y let me write to it
[09:43] <HrdwrBoB> St^Anger^19m: it doesn't rule the world, it's a whole lot more complex than that
[09:43] <drobbins> Kyral: well, I'm previously of Gentoo...
[09:43] <zwnj> meuserj|work: also tried apt-get now: E: Couldn't find package nmap
[09:43] <tonyyarusso> hedonick: I don't even think she was planning to go online with it; just word process.  (She predates the discovery of the neutron; baby steps.)
[09:43] <Kyral> drobbins: sorry my friend I overreacted
[09:43] <St^Anger^19m> firefox is a classic example of how OpenSource software can be better than the competition
[09:43] <St^Anger^19m> OpenOffice is very close
[09:43] <drobbins> Kyral: no problem
[09:43] <St^Anger^19m> IDE's like Eclipse and NetBeans are great
[09:44] <florian> and apache
[09:44] <tonyyarusso> yuri: even with the rw in the line?
[09:44] <linux_n00b_e> Basically I'm saying that as Linux users we need to start being a little more realistic in how we see other computer users
[09:44] <delta> Hi. I'm having trouble with meld. Is there a way to install a working copy?
[09:44] <St^Anger^19m> Apache is awesome too
[09:44] <tonyyarusso> yuri: See if you can check the mount point's directory permissions maybe.
[09:44] <HrdwrBoB> linux_n00b_e: as useless fleshbags to fill space *ahem*
[09:44] <St^Anger^19m> but the linux OS interface, as such...has some work to be done
[09:44] <yuri> /dev/hda5	/media/ext3st	ext3	users,auto,rw 0	0 this is what it looks like
[09:44] <LoPMX> but don't you think that linux world needs to, like unite?
[09:44] <HrdwrBoB> no
[09:44] <LoPMX> St^Anger^19m: exactly
[09:44] <yuri> I tried checking those..
[09:44] <JDahl> linux_n00b_e, when I have to use to Windows I feel awkward and encumbered, but I dont really expect Microsoft to change Windows because of that - I am just happy that Linux is an OS that meets my needs, and for that reason I hope it will never become WinXP or OSX
[09:44] <meuserj|work> zwnj, well.. I dont' know... it IS in the archive....
[09:44] <yuri> no avail. they are greyed out
[09:45] <LoPMX> St^Anger^19m: when talking about linux and usability, the przepasc is great between them
[09:45] <hedonick> St^Anger^19m: it also depends on specifics of "better"... how do you find a better cross-architecture compiler than gcc for example
[09:45] <linux_n00b_e> The waht? LoPMX
[09:45] <St^Anger^19m> i only use windows for an OS...90% of my software is open source...the same software i can easily install on linux itself
[09:45] <InfectedFx> Hello everyone
[09:45] <JDahl> linux_n00b_e, why is WinXP universally better because more people are using it?
[09:45] <linux_n00b_e> hello
[09:45] <St^Anger^19m> but when the GUI comes in..i still prefer Win....i admit, i've used win for YEARS so i'm still learning linux
[09:45] <KasperTech> Heeeelp!!!
[09:46] <zwnj> meuserj|work: thanks btw :)
[09:46] <owner989> gnome is better than windows gui
[09:46] <timbalbekov> how do i see if i installed nvidia-glx?
[09:46] <KasperTech> My wireless totally's screwed up :(((
[09:46] <LoPMX> owner989: gimme a break
[09:46] <LoPMX> it is not
[09:46] <St^Anger^19m> owner: why Better?
[09:46] <KasperTech> But the sntallation of
[09:46] <owner989> whats better about win gui lopmx?
[09:46] <yuri> maybe If i restart...
[09:46] <LoPMX> gnome CAN be better
[09:46] <KasperTech> installation of ipw2200 firmware upgrade and driver went perfect :S:S:
[09:46] <gnomefreak> i havent found a thing that windows can do that linux cant as for school well im gonna tell teacher hell no to winblows its been off this pc for a year or so and will stay the hell off
[09:46] <Millenniumgroup> Gnome is better
[09:46] <KasperTech> Pleease?
[09:46] <LoPMX> owner989: RESPONIVNESS for example?
[09:46] <Kyral> Millenniumgroup: no WM war here
[09:46] <meuserj|work> are we infested with Trolls today??
[09:46] <linux_n00b_e> I'm not saying that win is BETTER, i'm saying that as users we need to start thinking more realisticly about the way this OS is percieved  if we want it to be adopted by more users...
[09:46] <owner989> gnome runs responsive on my computer
[09:46] <_jason> you guys mind taking the OS talk to offtopic, I'm having a hard time following the questions
[09:46] <HrdwrBoB> 'better' is all relative, and in any case, a few uninformed opinions on IRC aren't likely to ever change anything
[09:47] <meriad> anyone here know the monitor speciations for a toshiba satellite 3000 monitor?