[00:04] <jayzi> no takers?
[00:07] <tgm4883_laptop> waited 16 minutes :(
[00:07] <tgm4883_laptop> I just saw it
[00:07]  * tgm4883_laptop sighs
[00:51] <larson9999> i'm sending my cable box output via svideo into a usb2wintv.  at first it's in color.  but as soon as i change the channel it's in black and white.  any idea what i have wrong?
[00:55] <Greybear1> what do you have to do to restore color?
[01:21] <Hotkey> help a newb pleasae - i have i installed but can not get any tv signal
[01:23] <Greybear1> you're going to have to provide more info than that to get help
[01:24] <Hotkey> installed on hardy 8.04 dell pc dual boot with xp
[01:25] <Hotkey> i have an icon in aps/sound.video for mythtv frontend
[01:25] <Greybear1> maybe some information about where you get TV and what kind of tuner would be useful and what exactly the problem is
[01:26] <Hotkey> tv from local cable - analog and tuner is a motherboard tv card built in by dell - xp is media center version
[01:26] <Greybear1> unless you're running MythTV on Windows, it's irrelevant
[01:26] <Hotkey> ok
[01:27] <Hotkey> what else can i tell you?
[01:27] <Greybear1> what happens?
[01:27] <Greybear1> how is it different from what you expect?
[01:28] <tgm4883_laptop> Greybear1, i'd go with the output of lspci and refer him to the manual
[01:28] <Hotkey> myth front end starts up grey background orange hilighted font for Watch TV but pressing enter at that point does nothing, no messages no tv
[01:28] <Greybear1> yeah, you're probably right tgm
[01:28] <tgm4883_laptop> i'm guessing you didn't do mythtv-setup
[01:29] <Hotkey> i did run thru it from system menu but i really didnt input much
[01:29] <Hotkey> you're referring to the MCC?
[01:30] <Hotkey> does it hurt to rerun it?
[01:31] <Greybear1> start at page 97
[01:31] <Hotkey> terminal window started but has hung now.  should i paste any of the text?
[01:38] <Hotkey> ive been thru that mcc setup and i reallt don't see that i have anything required.  when i run the ap and choose Information Center/System Status, Tuner Status reads Tuner 1 is unavailable so I'm thinking it has not found the TV Tuner card.
[01:38] <Greybear1> did you run mythtv-setup?
[01:39] <Hotkey> yes
[01:39] <Greybear1> so, it found the tuner card and got listings?
[01:42] <Hotkey> i guess thats where im struggling.  the only thing i changed in the General tab was channel freq to US Cable
[01:42] <Hotkey> Capture cards has 4 entries
[01:43] <Hotkey> New, Delete all cards on Dell, Delete all cards,
[01:43] <Hotkey> and v4l:/dev/video0
[01:43] <Greybear1> so, did you add an entry for your card?
[01:43] <Hotkey> is the v4l the card?
[01:43] <Greybear1> whatever type of card you have
[01:45] <Hotkey> anyway ubuntu or myth detects?  im not sure i know otherwise.
[01:45] <Greybear1> syntax error
[01:46] <Hotkey> card type listed when i select add new card is analog v4l capture card
[01:46] <Greybear1> is that correct?
[01:46] <Hotkey> and i can't access the field to change it to anything else
[01:47] <Hotkey> dunno - i have no documentation
[01:47] <Hotkey> there is a "probed info" line that reads "failed to open".  meaningful?
[01:48] <Greybear1> sounds like to me
[01:48] <Greybear1> does failure sound good to you?
[01:48] <Greybear1> http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Video_capture_card
[01:48] <Hotkey> no thats why i mentioned it...
[01:49] <Hotkey> i'll read thru that - thanks
[01:49] <Greybear1> good
[01:51] <MythbuntuGuest70> Hi all
[01:52] <Travi> My screen resolution isnt getting setup properly. if anyone has a moment can you take a look at the details here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=897100
[01:54] <Greybear1> you're never going to get very good quality from S-Video
[01:54] <Greybear1> the edges are cut off because of overscan
[01:55] <Travi> is that a problem from using s-video?
[01:55] <Greybear1> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overscan
[01:55] <Travi> or being casued by something else
[01:55] <Travi> already there ;)
[01:56] <Greybear1> the main point is, don't use S-video for an LCD TV
[01:56] <Travi> All right
[01:56] <Hotkey> Greybearl I'm gonna have a look at XP device manager to see if the tuner card brand/model is listed.
[01:56] <Greybear1> doesn't it have DVI, HDMI, or D-Sub input?
[01:56] <Travi> I just happened to have the cables for it. Ill see what else it supports
[01:56] <Greybear1> you can use lspci to find the device too
[01:56] <Travi> dvi most likely. im checking now
[01:57] <destructar> hi all... i'm using mythbuntu 8.04 with ubuntu desktop... i'm having some interesting resolution issues that just started up on me. could use some help
[01:57] <destructar> first off: i'm using a 1080p tv. using dvi to hdmi
[01:57] <destructar> when i boot up the computer it's as though i'm zoomed in
[01:58] <destructar> i move my mouse to the edges of the screen to find icons etc.
[01:58] <destructar> so in order to regain the correct resolution i have to log out and back in
[01:58] <destructar> that's if i use hdmi port 3 on my tv... using ports 1 or 2 the zoom won't go away
[01:59] <destructar> the other issue i'm having is: i absolutely can not prevent mythtv from starting up at reboot... i have unchecked the box in the myth control center but it won't save my setting
[02:00] <destructar> so... any help on these two things would be much appreciated. I'm getting frustrated. haven't had any issues for months and can't figure out what I didn't to cause these problems
[02:00] <Travi> Ok, thanks greybear. I am going to try dvi to hmdi
[02:00] <Greybear1> yeah, digital is what you should be using if at all possible
[02:03] <Greybear1> but TVs are often very bad at behaving like monitors
[02:03] <Greybear1> it took me a long time to find a good mode for my LCD TV
[02:03] <Greybear1> try to stick to common ones like 720p@60
[02:04] <larson9999> it's been so long since i had this box running i forgot how i solved my svideo out being black and white
[02:05] <Greybear1> maybe the chroma wire is broken
[02:08] <larson9999> Greybear1, i don't think so.  i set this up about a year ago and had this issue.  i fixed it somehow.  we recently moved and i'm setting it up again.  just forgot what the fix was :)
[02:09] <bronson> It sounds like Intrepid Mythbuntu should feel exactly like Hardy?
[02:09] <bronson> Er, I should say, Myth front-end in Mythbuntu.
[02:09] <bronson> Lots of control panel and infrastructure improvements, but basically the same Myth?
[02:10] <Hotkey> Greybear1 - sitting on the xp media center side now reading device mgr for dell dimension e510.  Only thing I see is Radeon x600.
[02:11] <Greybear1> that doesn't help much
[02:11] <Hotkey> Googled the machine and found a review that reads "This entry-level Media Center PC lacks a TV tuner and digital audio ports, but serves well as a home or home office PC"
[02:12] <Hotkey> yet i do have coax input and can see/record tv.....
[02:12] <Greybear1> well that sounds like your problem
[02:12] <larson9999> Hotkey, that's a media center? lol
[02:12] <Hotkey> larson9999 I know!!!!
[02:12] <Hotkey> sheesh...
[02:13] <larson9999> Hotkey, actually, that's a reviewer?
[02:13] <Hotkey> larson9999 ya via about.com
[02:14] <Hotkey> and thats pulling a pcworld review
[02:14] <Greybear1> maybe the manufacturer's site is a better source
[02:14] <Greybear1> http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/dimE510/
[02:14] <Hotkey> just going there now
[02:14] <larson9999> i feel dirty.  i picked up xp home at a thrift store today for $2 so i could run magicjack.
[02:14] <Hotkey> another reviewer writes what a great tuner his 510 has! lol
[02:15] <bronson> larson9999, that's a good deal
[02:15] <bronson> It's a collectable, probably be worth 10X that in 4 years.
[02:15] <Hotkey> im sure
[02:15] <Hotkey> does it have a tuner card i can borrow :)
[02:15] <Greybear1> if you have a Dimension E510 with a tuner card, it wasn't original equipment
[02:19] <larson9999> this xp home notwithstanding, i have had a string of good thrift store luck in the last week.  3 p4 2.66mgz machines with 1 gig ram for $15 each, windows server 2003 enterprise 25 cals sealed for $16 i sold for $500 on ebay.  and a nintendo ds for $2.49
[02:19] <Hotkey> Greybear1 ya it is - i ordered it - dell site lists e510 with several different tv cards........knowing which i have is a mystery
[02:19] <Hotkey> http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/driverslist.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=gen&ServiceTag=&SystemID=DIMENSION%205150/E510&os=WW1&osl=en&catid=&impid=
[02:20] <Greybear1> well, the owner's manual doesn't say anything about tuners
[02:20] <Hotkey> nice
[02:21] <Hotkey> im running belarc advisor to see if it picks it up
[02:21] <Greybear1> as I said before, you should be using lspci in Linux
[02:24] <Hotkey> Greybear1 now i know what lspci is.  linux newb here.
[02:25] <Greybear1> I'm glad you're learning
[02:25] <Hotkey> trying - thanks for helping.
[02:25] <Greybear1> you're welcome
[02:26] <Hotkey> belarc lists RADEON X600 256MB HyperMemory [Display adapter]
[02:26] <Hotkey> and RADEON X600 256MB HyperMemory Secondary [Display adapter]
[02:26] <Hotkey> no other video/display items
[02:26] <Greybear1> those sound like display devices
[02:26] <Greybear1> and I don't know what belarc is
[02:26] <Hotkey> under multimedia i read "ATI Unified AVStream Driver"
[02:27] <Hotkey> belarc is the windows version of lspci
[02:28] <Greybear1> so, is that the video capture device?
[02:29] <Hotkey> i have no idea.  prolly have to crcack it open and see for myself
[02:31] <Greybear1> if your device isn't on http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Video_capture_card#Capture_Card_Matrix I wouldn't get my hopes up
[02:31] <Hotkey> as hokey as this has been its prolly not - if i add a new one what would you recommend?
[02:32] <Greybear1> depends entirely on the TV source
[02:33] <Hotkey> basic cable - i dont think i can pull in hd ota without big antenae
[02:33] <Greybear1> I've had pretty good experience with the PVR-150
[02:34] <Greybear1> the PVR-500 has two tuners
[02:34] <Hotkey> nice
[02:34] <Greybear1> there are less expensive ones, but I don't have MythTV experience with any
[02:44] <wezlo> hey all, I really need some help getting x configured, it's like my video card (via unichrome km400) isn't being detected.  I ran linux on this laptop for years, so I know x works, but the mythbuntu setup doesn't see it for some reason.
[02:45] <Greybear1> can you just put the right driver in xorg.conf manually?
[02:45] <Hotkey> Greybear1 im still at it and found more detail about the radeon x600 - looks like its a dual purpose video card.
[02:45] <Hotkey> http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/video/P97737/en/index.htm
[02:45] <Greybear1> well, the important question is whether there's a Linux driver for it
[02:46] <wezlo> Greaybear1, I tried - but the xorg.conf file itself is screwy - there's no modes, and the screens are configured
[02:46] <larson9999> errrr ! i can't figure this out.  everything else is in color.  only when i watch tv is it black and white.  the nvdia
[02:46] <Greybear1> Xorg doesn't necessarily need modes, but it does need a device
[02:46] <wezlo> I ran Xorg -configure to get a custom configuration, but starting up with it gave me the same error (fatal server error no screens found)
[02:47] <wezlo> Greybear1, I get this even with vesa set as the driver
[02:47] <Greybear1> larson9999: maybe your color Xv parameter is turned to zero
[02:47] <Greybear1> "no screens found" doesn't mean anything specific
[02:47] <Greybear1> you'll have to look earlier
[02:48] <larson9999> Greybear1, where's that setting?
[02:48] <Greybear1> "color"
[02:48] <wezlo> k, let me check the log
[02:51] <Hotkey> Greybear1 I didnt find it on the Capture card wiki rom your link above. I'll get a new one.  Thanks for the help.
[02:51] <wezlo> Greybear1, I keep seeing this -  "ViaPanelGetIndex: Mode not supported by Panel."
[02:51] <wezlo> is the mythbuntu kernel setup differently?
[02:51] <Greybear1> than what?
[02:52] <wezlo> I get this with different resolutions
[02:52] <wezlo> Not using default mode "640x350" (unknown reason)
[02:52] <wezlo> (II) CHROME(0): Not using default mode "320x175" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[02:52] <Greybear1> which mode do you expect to work?
[02:53] <wezlo> I'm installing on a laptop, so 1024x768
[02:53] <Greybear1> well, if you had Xorg working on it, perhaps you can use that config
[02:54] <wezlo> can't gone
[02:54] <wezlo> sigh
[02:55] <Greybear1> maybe a LiveCD will work
[02:55] <wezlo> Nope
[02:55] <wezlo> it's WEIRD
[02:55] <Greybear1> if you can find one that has the right Xorg mode, use its config
[02:55] <Greybear1> how many have you tried?
[02:55] <wezlo> what do you mean?
[02:55] <Greybear1> there are many LiveCD systems
[02:56] <wezlo> I used mythbuntu and mythdora - got the same problem on both
[02:56] <Greybear1> so, what did work?
[02:56] <wezlo> but I've run live CD's on this before and they worked fine, but never "myth" cd's
[02:56] <wezlo> regular ubuntu
[02:56] <Greybear1> then use it
[02:57] <wezlo> that's my next step, but I was hoping to have the stripping down done for me
[02:57] <wezlo> oh well
[02:57] <Greybear1> http://mythbuntu.org/existing-ubuntu
[02:57] <wezlo> my thanks, I'll bookmark that and download ubuntu
[02:57] <Greybear1> if you want a minimal system, start with the Ubuntu alternate install CD and install the "text" system
[02:57] <wezlo> ok
[02:58] <Greybear1> then, install the "mythbuntu-control-centre" package
[02:58] <Greybear1> hopefully, that'll pull in everything you need
[02:58] <Greybear1> but, I'm not sure how Xorg configuration will work
[02:59] <wezlo> ok
[02:59] <Greybear1> if the regular Ubuntu desktop LiveCD sets a correct mode, that's more sure to work
[02:59] <wezlo> well, I'll boot the live CD and make sure that works first
[02:59] <wezlo> that mythdora didn't work as well concerns me
[03:00] <Greybear1> you said Ubuntu works
[03:00] <Greybear1> you can always remove packages later if you want to save space
[03:00] <wezlo> yup
[03:01] <Greybear1> Mythbuntu is just a few extra packages that are already in the Ubuntu repositories and the installer CD
[03:01] <Greybear1> so, installing from an existing Ubuntu system ends up in almost exactly the same place
[03:01] <wezlo> ok
[03:02] <Greybear1> they're not really separate projects
[03:02] <wezlo> yah, it's just the preconfiguring I like - but oh well, if ubuntu works, I'll be glad
[03:03] <Greybear1> I used the Ubuntu alternate install CD
[03:03] <Greybear1> I was using Ubuntu for MythTV before Mythbuntu came along
[03:04] <wezlo> that's how I installed it on my previous box
[03:04] <Greybear1> ok
[03:04] <Greybear1> all you need to know right now is how to get Xorg to run with the mode you want
[03:05] <Greybear1> if a LiveCD does that, just steal its config
[03:05] <Greybear1> it wouldn't even have to be Ubuntu
[03:05] <wezlo> yup
[03:07] <wezlo> dangit
[03:07] <wezlo> I was hiping to be playing tonight, but now it's too late
[03:07] <wezlo> thanks though greybear
[03:07] <wezlo> night
[03:07] <Greybear1> sure
[04:41] <foxbuntu> lmao, tgm4883_laptop got you with the WASP knife
[05:02] <ajhtiredwolf> Greybeard, hey you there?
[05:03] <Greybear1> yes
[05:03] <ajhtiredwolf> greybeard :p not greybear
[05:03] <Greybear1> something changed my nick
[05:04] <ajhtiredwolf> So I think that i foudn the problem
[05:04] <ajhtiredwolf> after I did a reboot it didnt work right?
[05:04] <Greybear1> ok
[05:04] <ajhtiredwolf> But I think I know why
[05:04] <ajhtiredwolf> I have it set to /dev/dsp, when i  did a reboot, i was getting my webcams microhpeon as the input
[05:05] <ajhtiredwolf> now for whatever reason, when i reboot, some times my mixer will be set to the tvcard, some times the hdaintel onboard sound, some times the audigy 2 card
[05:05] <Greybear1> yep
[05:05] <ajhtiredwolf> I think when that happens, it changes which device is assigned to which dsp number
[05:05] <Greybear1> that's why you should avoid using the OSS emulation devices
[05:05] <Greybear1> yeah, it's not stable
[05:05] <ajhtiredwolf> Hmmm, how do i do that?
[05:05] <Greybear1> that's why it's better to use an Alsa device name that contains the CARD
[05:06] <ajhtiredwolf> Hmmm well all these devices are using the alsa driver... or am i not following you?
[05:06] <Greybear1> the device nodes /dev/dsp* are the old OSS-style interface
[05:07] <Greybear1> if you use ALSA drivers, it provides those device nodes to emulate OSS
[05:07] <Greybear1> but it's generally better to use the native ALSA names
[05:08] <Greybear1> for one thing, you can always get the right device when you have multiple
[05:08] <ajhtiredwolf> gotcha... if only it would let me use the names
[05:08] <Greybear1> arecord -L gives you valid ALSA names
[05:09] <ajhtiredwolf> Greybear1, yeah, but remember when i try and put anythign in the audio device section of mythtv setup it wont let me
[05:09] <ajhtiredwolf> it will only take dev/dsp&
[05:09] <Greybear1> yeah, that seems to be the real problem
[05:10] <ajhtiredwolf> Btw you wouldnt happen to know of a way to make my mixer default to my audigy card would ya? I always have to go in and change it before i can use the adjust volume on my keyboard
[05:10] <squish102> ajhtiredwolf go into bios and disable onboard?
[05:10] <Greybear1> I don't think ajhtiredwolf can do that
[05:10] <ajhtiredwolf> squish102, if it had that option :-p, but even that wont help me, there are about 5 devices that it switches between
[05:10] <Greybear1> I think all devices are in use for something
[05:11] <Greybear1> there might be a way to cause the drivers to be loaded in a predictable order
[05:12] <ajhtiredwolf> there is a way to set the default device used, but i already have audigy2 set as default, other than that yeah i wonder if there is a way to set the order
[05:12] <ajhtiredwolf> I am kinda doubting it though
[05:12] <Greybear1> default in what?
[05:12] <ajhtiredwolf> sound card used
[05:12] <Greybear1> I assume you're talking about a particular application
[05:13] <ajhtiredwolf> I dont think so, but i did it a while ago, i was given advice in #ubuntu
[05:13] <Greybear1> you can configure the default Alsa devices in a config file
[05:13] <ajhtiredwolf> I believe that was it
[05:13] <Greybear1> but that won't help your MythTV recording problem
[05:14] <Greybear1> http://alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Asoundrc
[05:14] <ajhtiredwolf> right... so in your mythtvsetup you are able to put whatever you want into there?
[05:15] <Greybear1> I haven't had to configure this myself, since I don't need to have MythTV capture audio
[05:15] <Greybear1> so, I was surprised to find that it won't accept ALSA device names
[05:15] <ajhtiredwolf> Gotcha.. btw it was asoundconf set-default-card audigy2 that i did
[05:15] <Greybear1> the frontend configuration does accept ALSA names for playback device
[05:16] <Greybear1> oh, I wasn't aware of asoundconf
[05:16] <Greybear1> that's probably easier than doing it manually
[05:17] <Greybear1> that will affect any apps that use alsa-lib, which unfortunately doesn't seem to include mythbackend
[05:18] <ajhtiredwolf> So I guess my only chance is to stop the soundcards from changing order
[05:18] <Greybear1> yeah, that may be the only option
[05:18] <ajhtiredwolf> heh unfortunately ive tried to do that befoer but never gotten anywhere
[05:19] <Greybear1> probably the best way to do it would be in the udev configuration
[05:20] <ajhtiredwolf> btw i added the string of commands rmmod saa7134 sudo modprobe saa7134 card=42 tuner =5 alsa=1 to that file you suggested but i still have to do it manually before it works
[05:21] <Greybear1> I'm looking at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Device_Filenames_and_udev#Obtaining_identifying_information
[05:21] <Greybear1> I guess we don't know what the critical time is for loading that module
[05:22] <Greybear1> so, when you start up the machine, the saa7134 module is loaded, but you can't capture video?
[05:22] <Greybear1> but if you unload it and reload it, it starts working?
[05:22] <ajhtiredwolf> That seems to be the case yes
[05:23] <ajhtiredwolf> but i have to rmmod saa7134_alsa some times as well
[05:23] <Greybear1> it sounds like maybe that card just isn't very well supported
[05:24] <ajhtiredwolf> Not at all
[05:24] <Greybear1> I think that udev HOWTO in the MythTV wiki should do it
[05:25] <ajhtiredwolf> Im reading through it
[05:25] <ajhtiredwolf> what was the file that you said i should add those commands to ?
[05:26] <Greybear1> the file /etc/rc.local should run every time you boot
[05:26] <Greybear1> it runs as root, so you don't need to put sudo in it
[05:26] <ajhtiredwolf> I put rmmod saa7134_alsa
[05:26] <ajhtiredwolf> rmmod saa7145
[05:26] <ajhtiredwolf> modprobe saa7134 card=42 tuner=43 alsa=1
[05:27] <ajhtiredwolf> in it, just like that
[05:27] <Greybear1> after editing it, run it manually: "sudo /etc/rc.local" to make sure it's working
[05:27] <Greybear1> better use /sbin/modprobe to be safe
[05:27] <Greybear1> the PATH may be different
[05:27] <Greybear1> /sbin/modprobe and /sbin/rmmod
[05:28] <Greybear1> make sure you add your lines before the "exit 0" that's already there
[05:29] <ajhtiredwolf> it said that saa7134_alsa does not exist in /proc/modules
[05:29] <Greybear1> that means the module wasn't loaded
[05:30] <ajhtiredwolf> mm... tv is working
[05:30] <ajhtiredwolf> ok so basically that is just saying its an unnecesary step?
[05:30] <Greybear1> I'm not sure
[05:31] <Greybear1> I don't know what problem you're trying to work around
[05:31] <Greybear1> trying to rmmod a module that isn't loaded is harmless
[05:32] <ajhtiredwolf> ok so anyway, i tried doing rmmod saa7134 then i ran sudo /etc/rc.local
[05:32] <ajhtiredwolf> and it didnt work
[05:32] <Greybear1> what did it say?
[05:32] <Greybear1> is the module loaded?
[05:32] <ajhtiredwolf> Module saa7134_alsa does not exist in /proc/modules
[05:32] <ajhtiredwolf> how do i check if it is loaded?
[05:32] <Greybear1> lsmod|grep saa7134
[05:33] <Greybear1> lsmod just lists loaded modules
[05:33] <ajhtiredwolf> did nothing
[05:33] <ajhtiredwolf> so it doesnt look like the modprobe is working
[05:33] <Greybear1> if it doesn't output anything, it means the module isn't loaded
[05:33] <Greybear1> is /etc/rc.local executable?
[05:34] <ajhtiredwolf> I beleve so since it is giving me an error when trying to run it
[05:34] <Greybear1> so?
[05:34] <Greybear1> what error?
[05:34] <ajhtiredwolf> ERROR: Module saa7134_alsa does not exist in /proc/modules
[05:34] <Greybear1> ok, so what's the contents of the file?
[05:35] <ajhtiredwolf> /sbin/rmmod saa7134_alsa
[05:35] <ajhtiredwolf> /sbin/rmmod saa7134
[05:35] <ajhtiredwolf> /sbin/modprobe saa7134 card=42 tuner=43 alsa=1
[05:35] <Greybear1> what happens if you run each of those lines individually on the command line?
[05:36] <ajhtiredwolf> ERROR: Module saa7134_alsa does not exist in /proc/modules
[05:36] <ajhtiredwolf> ERROR: Module saa7134 does not exist in /proc/modules
[05:37] <ajhtiredwolf> it worked after I did the last command
[05:37] <ajhtiredwolf> after doing sudo /sbin/modprobe saa7134 card=42 tuner=43 alsa=1
[05:37] <ajhtiredwolf> which loads the module
[05:37] <ajhtiredwolf> then those work
[05:37] <ajhtiredwolf> so if the it hits an error ( the module isnt loaded ) then does it not execute the other lines?
[05:37] <Greybear1> if the lines are identical in the script file, they should have the same effect
[05:38] <Greybear1> that shouldn't be the case
[05:38] <ajhtiredwolf> ok i just ran sudo /etc/rc.local after loading the module
[05:38] <ajhtiredwolf> and it didnt give me an error
[05:38] <ajhtiredwolf> and it appears to have worked
[05:39] <Greybear1> I just noticed that the top line is "#!/bin/sh -e"
[05:39] <ajhtiredwolf> hmm i ran it again and it said RROR: Module saa7134 is in use by saa7134_alsa
[05:39] <Greybear1> that means any command that fails will cause the script to exit immediately
[05:40] <ajhtiredwolf> that is commented out htough
[05:40] <Greybear1> no, it's the shebang
[05:40] <ajhtiredwolf> Should I removei t?
[05:40] <Greybear1> #! is a special sequence
[05:40] <Greybear1> remove the "-e"
[05:40] <Greybear1> make the top line "#!/bin/sh"
[05:41] <ajhtiredwolf> ERROR: Module saa7134 is in use by saa7134_alsa
[05:41] <ajhtiredwolf> the line before that is rmmod saa7134_alsa so it should be doing that first..
[05:41] <Greybear1> you have to remove saa7134_alsa before saa7134
[05:41] <ajhtiredwolf> yeah, that is how it is set up
[05:42] <Greybear1> make sure there are no typos
[05:42] <ajhtiredwolf> lol, yeah nm
[05:43] <ajhtiredwolf> Alihgt hopefully that will work on boot
[05:43] <Greybear1> yeah, it probably will now
[05:43] <ajhtiredwolf> Is there a way to set it to automitcally go to telivision vs composite1 or s-video?
[05:43] <Greybear1> probably
[05:43] <Greybear1> that's a detail of the card I imagine
[05:44] <Greybear1> MythTV should set the capture card input when it starts recording
[05:44] <Greybear1> v4l2-ctl might do it
[05:44] <ajhtiredwolf> Alright, now onto setting the audio device
[05:45] <ajhtiredwolf> mmm and where is v4l2-ctl?
[05:46] <Greybear1> oddly, it's in ivtv-utils
[05:46] <Greybear1> I'm not sure if it works on non-ivtv v4l2 devices
[05:47] <ajhtiredwolf> Dont have that
[05:47] <Greybear1> don't have which?
[05:47] <Greybear1> install ivtv-utils if it's not already
[05:49] <Greybear1> maybe it would be simplest to add the correct modules to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist then load them in rc.local
[05:49] <Greybear1> then you might be able to define the audio device order
[05:51] <ajhtiredwolf> Ok so like, ad whatever the name of the Audigy2, the intel, and the saa7134 are to the blacklist file, then tell rc.local to load them in a certain order?
[05:51] <Greybear1> right
[05:52] <Greybear1> I think any module names you put in that file shouldn't be autoloaded by Ubuntu startup scripts
[05:52] <Greybear1> and I think /dev/dsp? devices are numbered in the order the driver module is loaded
[05:52] <ajhtiredwolf> THere are qutie a few things listed under devices when i go to system preferences sound.. would i need to add them all?
[05:53] <ajhtiredwolf> there is audigy 2 zs, sb0350 alsa mixer
[05:53] <Greybear1> well, you need to determine which linux modules are audio drivers
[05:53] <ajhtiredwolf> Where can i list those?
[05:53] <ajhtiredwolf> ls asound or something?
[05:54] <Greybear1> lsmod
[05:55] <Greybear1> so, for instance, snd_emu10k1 is the main module for an Audigy card
[05:55] <Greybear1> if you put that at the end of /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist I think the Audigy devices won't appear
[05:56] <ajhtiredwolf> Hmm im actually not seeing audigy2 listed here, i see the saa7134
[05:56] <ajhtiredwolf>  but no audigy
[05:56] <Greybear1> listed where?
[05:56] <ajhtiredwolf> under lsmod
[05:57] <Greybear1> that's because the module is called snd_emu10k1
[05:57] <ajhtiredwolf> alright, there seem to be allot that have to do with saa7134
[05:58] <Greybear1> we're only interested in ALSA sound drivers right now
[05:58] <ajhtiredwolf> when opening the sound utility in system preference, under devices there is listed saa7134(ALSA)
[05:58] <Greybear1> saa7134_alsa seems to be the sound capture driver for your card, right?
[05:58] <Greybear1> but you said it doesn't seem to work
[05:59] <ajhtiredwolf> Correct
[05:59] <ajhtiredwolf> well, audio out works
[05:59] <Greybear1> out of what?
[05:59] <ajhtiredwolf> i have a wire going from the audio out port of the tuner device, to the audio in of the audigy 2
[05:59] <ajhtiredwolf> the saa7134
[06:00] <Greybear1> you have to do that because saa7134_alsa doesn't work
[06:00] <Greybear1> if it worked, it would allow MythTV to capture on the TV card instead of having to go the Audigy line in
[06:00] <ajhtiredwolf> alright, so which devices should i add to blacklist?
[06:01] <Greybear1> we know saa7134_alsa and snd_emu10k1
[06:01] <Greybear1> are there any others?
[06:01] <ajhtiredwolf> The hda_intel
[06:01] <ajhtiredwolf> and the logitech webcam
[06:02] <Greybear1> so that's snd-hda-intel
[06:02] <Greybear1> what about the webcam?
[06:04] <ajhtiredwolf> Im not sure what it is named
[06:04] <ajhtiredwolf> It isnt listed under devices as far as i can see
[06:04] <Greybear1> what's the model?
[06:04] <ajhtiredwolf> I know that right now it is dev/sbd
[06:04] <ajhtiredwolf> sbd0 i mean
[06:04] <Greybear1> weird
[06:04] <Greybear1> I don't know what sbd means
[06:05] <ajhtiredwolf> let me try this
[06:05] <Greybear1> I thought a camera would be /dev/video something
[06:05] <ajhtiredwolf> yeah it is /dev/video1
[06:05] <ajhtiredwolf> but it has audio capture too
[06:05] <Greybear1> http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3405 is what you need
[06:05] <ajhtiredwolf> lsmod usb
[06:05] <Greybear1> and it's not incorporated yet
[06:05] <Greybear1> so, this is a known issue
[06:06] <Greybear1> lsmod just lists all loaded modules
[06:06] <ajhtiredwolf> Should I get that patch?
[06:06] <Greybear1> try running "sudo udevmonitor"
[06:06] <Greybear1> well, I would
[06:07] <Greybear1> if you're comfortable patching and building from source, that seems like the right way to fix this problem
[06:07] <Greybear1> but what we're already working on might be easier at the moment
[06:07] <ajhtiredwolf> that gave the output UDEV the event which udev sends out after rule processing
[06:07] <ajhtiredwolf> UEVENT the kernel uevent
[06:07] <ajhtiredwolf> then hangs
[06:07] <Greybear1> it's not hung, it's showing you device events
[06:07] <ajhtiredwolf> ok lets try what we are working on first and see if it works
[06:07] <Greybear1> now unplug the camera and plug it back in
[06:08] <ajhtiredwolf> do you want the ouput?
[06:08] <Greybear1> yeah, there's probably a lot, so use the pastebin
[06:09] <ajhtiredwolf> http://pastebin.ca/1181337
[06:10] <Greybear1> that doesn't seem to have what we're looking for
[06:10] <Greybear1> just hit Ctrl-C to exit udevmonitor
[06:11] <ajhtiredwolf> I did lsusb
[06:11] <ajhtiredwolf> that gave me this
[06:11] <ajhtiredwolf> Bus 005 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[06:11] <ajhtiredwolf> Bus 004 Device 003: ID 046d:c041 Logitech, Inc.
[06:11] <ajhtiredwolf> Bus 004 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[06:11] <ajhtiredwolf> Bus 003 Device 002: ID 046d:08d7 Logitech, Inc.
[06:11] <ajhtiredwolf> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[06:11] <ajhtiredwolf> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[06:11] <Greybear1> yeah, unfortunately, that doesn't tell us which module is handling the audio
[06:11] <Greybear1> just try lsmod|grep snd_
[06:12] <Greybear1> see if anything looks familiar
[06:12] <ajhtiredwolf> we have usb_audio
[06:12] <ajhtiredwolf> think that is it?
[06:12] <Greybear1> or paste the output of that
[06:12] <Greybear1> oh, yeah, that makes sense
[06:12] <Greybear1> it's just USB audio class
[06:12] <ajhtiredwolf> http://pastebin.ca/1181344
[06:12] <Greybear1> yeah, that must be it
[06:13] <ajhtiredwolf> snd_usb_audio
[06:13] <Greybear1> yeah, that needs to be blacklisted too
[06:13] <Greybear1> so, now you have all four modules to blacklist
[06:13] <ajhtiredwolf> Yep
[06:13] <Greybear1> put those in there, reboot, and /proc/asound/cards should be empty
[06:13] <ajhtiredwolf> i added them to the blacklist file
[06:15] <ajhtiredwolf> brb
[06:15] <Greybear1> ok
[06:17] <ajhtiredwolf> alright what should i check is empty again?
[06:17] <Greybear1> yeah
[06:18] <Greybear1> check /proc/asound/cards
[06:18] <Greybear1> or a mixer or whatever
[06:18] <Greybear1> there's shouldn't be any sound devices now
[06:18] <ajhtiredwolf> under devices is the sound prferences, saa7134 alsa mixer is loaded
[06:18] <ajhtiredwolf> im guessing that is because we added it to the rc.local file
[06:18] <Greybear1> right
[06:18] <Greybear1> so that's the only one?
[06:19] <ajhtiredwolf> Correctomundo
[06:19] <Greybear1> great!
[06:19] <ajhtiredwolf> :D
[06:19] <ajhtiredwolf> wait
[06:19] <ajhtiredwolf> there is also
[06:19] <Greybear1> now all you need to do is to add the other three modules in a similar fashion
[06:19] <ajhtiredwolf> capture:alsa PCM on hw:1 (saa7134 pcm ) via DMA...
[06:20] <Greybear1> well, what does "cat /proc/asound/cards" say?
[06:20] <Greybear1> the same card can show up in different ways
[06:20] <ajhtiredwolf>  1 [SAA7134        ]: SAA7134 - SAA7134
[06:20] <ajhtiredwolf>                       saa7130[0] at 0xe5105000 irq 20
[06:20] <Greybear1> as native Alsa and OSS
[06:20] <Greybear1> yeah, so one device
[06:20] <Greybear1> so, figure out which order you want
[06:20] <ajhtiredwolf> cool
[06:21] <Greybear1> and put the modprobe lines into /etc/rc.local like you already have
[06:21] <Greybear1> and the order there should determine the order of /dev/dsp? nodes
[06:21] <ajhtiredwolf> This gives me an idea too. That webcam that i use, it doesnt work with the program cheese and a few other trhings because the tvcard is loaded first, and most programs look for /dev/video0 i wonder if i could fix that this way too
[06:21] <Greybear1> yeah, probably
[06:21] <ajhtiredwolf> but il work on that later :p
[06:22] <Greybear1> the udev approach is probably nicer
[06:22] <Greybear1> this is the low level ugly way to do it
[06:22] <Greybear1> but this is simpler too
[06:22] <ajhtiredwolf> Yes but also a little more simple
[06:22] <ajhtiredwolf> Yeah hah
[06:22] <ajhtiredwolf> and i am all about low level and ugly ;-)
[06:22] <Greybear1> udev's value is for hotplugging
[06:22] <Greybear1> if you know ahead of time which devices will be there, you can do it this way
[06:23] <ajhtiredwolf> think this will make it start up slower?
[06:23] <Greybear1> no
[06:23] <ajhtiredwolf> whe ndoes it execute rc.local?
[06:23] <Greybear1> I think it executes after all the other scripts
[06:24] <Greybear1> which could be a problem come to think of it
[06:24] <ajhtiredwolf> this is really cool though, kinda an unconventional way to get it working but still cool
[06:24] <Greybear1> yeah, there's probably a better way
[06:24] <Greybear1> I wish I knew the "correct" way
[06:24] <ajhtiredwolf> Honestly, if it works it works right?
[06:24] <ajhtiredwolf> if i run into problems then i will look for the better way
[06:25] <Greybear1> now I'm wondering about whether mythbackend might start before this script, which could be a problem
[06:25] <ajhtiredwolf> mythbackend doesnt seem to start by itself, i always have to do it manually
[06:26] <Greybear1> do you have any idea why?
[06:26] <ajhtiredwolf> not really... i just figured that was how it was :p
[06:26] <Greybear1> it may be related to the need to reload the capture driver
[06:26] <ajhtiredwolf> probably
[06:26] <Greybear1> so, you should also move rc.local earlier than mythtv-backend
[06:27] <Greybear1> the name of the script is /etc/rc2.d/S99rc.local
[06:27] <ajhtiredwolf> hang on one sec
[06:28] <ajhtiredwolf> the order doesnt looks right
[06:28] <Greybear1> the one for mythbackend is /etc/rc2.d/S20mythtv-backend
[06:28] <Greybear1> the order of what?
[06:28] <ajhtiredwolf> well it should load audigy, intel, usb, saa7134
[06:28] <ajhtiredwolf> in devices it is listed
[06:28] <ajhtiredwolf> audigy, saa7134
[06:28] <ajhtiredwolf> then intel
[06:29] <Greybear1> what's the entire rc.local now?
[06:29] <ajhtiredwolf> maybe it is because i didnt have it setup on this reboot
[06:29] <ajhtiredwolf> /sbin/modprobe snd_emu10k1
[06:29] <ajhtiredwolf> /sbin/modprobe snd_hda_intel
[06:29] <ajhtiredwolf> /sbin/modprobe snd_usb_audio
[06:29] <ajhtiredwolf> /sbin/rmmod saa7134_alsa
[06:29] <ajhtiredwolf> /sbin/rmmod saa7134
[06:29] <ajhtiredwolf> /sbin/modprobe saa7134 card=42 tuner=43 alsa=1
[06:30] <ajhtiredwolf> let me see if it works after another reboot
[06:30] <ajhtiredwolf> brb
[06:30] <ajhtiredwolf> oh wiat
[06:30] <Greybear1> it's possible that the order of moprobe commands isn't the only factor
[06:30] <Greybear1> USB may be slower
[06:31] <Greybear1> in any case, the important one for you is the Audigy one, right?
[06:31] <ajhtiredwolf> reguardless that should be a problem long as audigy loads first
[06:31] <ajhtiredwolf> correct
[06:31] <Greybear1> good
[06:31] <ajhtiredwolf> alright what should i edit in /etc/rc2.d/S99rc.local?
[06:31] <ajhtiredwolf> which script boots first?
[06:31] <ajhtiredwolf> runs*
[06:32] <Greybear1> I think you can just rename that link to S10rc.local
[06:32] <Greybear1> the number in the name determines order
[06:32] <Greybear1> so, since mythtv-backend is 20, if your script is 10, it'll run earlier
[06:32] <ajhtiredwolf> let me make sure nothign else is 10
[06:32] <Greybear1> well, it won't conflict
[06:33] <Greybear1> ones of the same number will just be run in alphabetical order or something
[06:33] <ajhtiredwolf> ok cool
[06:33] <Greybear1> you could put it at 05 to be earlier than almost everything
[06:34] <ajhtiredwolf> and it isnt dangerous to rename this?
[06:34] <Greybear1> 04 or 05 would probably be good
[06:34] <Greybear1> I don't think so because it's your script you're messing with, not an essential one
[06:34] <Greybear1> rc.local was empty before you edited it
[06:34] <Greybear1> anyway, breaking your system is a great way to learn ;)
[06:35] <ajhtiredwolf> Ok lets see if that works
[06:35] <ajhtiredwolf> let me reboot again brb
[06:35] <Greybear1> ok
[06:40] <ajhtiredwolf> awesome, that appears to have done it
[06:40] <Greybear1> great!
[06:44] <ajhtiredwolf> hmm
[06:44] <ajhtiredwolf> lol for somerason the mixer didnt default to the audigy still, even though it is loaded first
[06:46] <ajhtiredwolf> which unfortunately seems to revert the audigys mixer settings back to default grrr
[06:46] <ajhtiredwolf> this system seems less than idea for mutliple sound cards haha
[06:47] <Greybear1> well, native Alsa apps don't care about order
[06:47] <Greybear1> that's one reason Alsa is better than OSS
[06:48] <Greybear1> and blacklisting the modules may have messed with the script that reloads the mixer settings
[06:48] <ajhtiredwolf> Nahh it was doing that before too
[06:48] <ajhtiredwolf> hmm
[06:48] <Greybear1> ok
[06:49] <ajhtiredwolf> here is an idea, i wonder if it is possibel to output the settings of the mixer to a file, then have it load that file on start up
[06:49] <Greybear1> that's what it's supposed to do automatically
[06:49] <Greybear1> normally it does that transparently
[06:50] <ajhtiredwolf> do you know where that file is stored?
[06:50] <Greybear1> "/var/lib/alsa/asound.state" contains the state
[06:51] <Greybear1> "/etc/init.d/alsa-utils" reads and writes it I believe
[06:51] <ajhtiredwolf> so what im thinking waht happens is, if it for instance loads the saa7134 mixer, which it did in this case, it changes a few things in the audigy mixer for whatever reason maybe if i could just tell it to load this again after it selects which mixer to use..
[06:52] <Greybear1> you can put a command to reload the mixer settings in rc.local, yes
[06:52] <ajhtiredwolf> wait a second, /var/lib/alsa/asound.state on shows the intel mixer
[06:52] <Greybear1> I think what we did confused the mixers
[06:53] <ajhtiredwolf> only shows *
[06:53] <Greybear1> alsactl is the utility that loads and saves states
[06:53] <ajhtiredwolf> well, I guess this is something i can live iwt
[06:53] <ajhtiredwolf> ahhh wiat nm
[06:53] <ajhtiredwolf> ok so i changed to the saa7134 mixer right?
[06:53] <ajhtiredwolf> then back to the audigy mixer
[06:54] <Greybear1> you can save a state to any file you want and then reload that any time
[06:54] <ajhtiredwolf> and the everything was changed back again
[06:54] <Greybear1> you mean reset?
[06:54] <ajhtiredwolf> it seems openeing the saa7134 mixer changes some aduigy settings
[06:54] <ajhtiredwolf> no i just opened it
[06:54] <Greybear1> maybe it was the mixer program that changed the settings
[06:54] <Greybear1> maybe it was confused because the order changed or something
[06:55] <ajhtiredwolf> hmm
[06:55] <Greybear1> no, I don't really know
[06:55] <ajhtiredwolf> it seems that after leaving the mixer
[06:55] <ajhtiredwolf> it changes back to some default settings
[06:55] <Greybear1> every time?
[06:55] <ajhtiredwolf> so like if i change something in saa7134
[06:55] <ajhtiredwolf> then go back to audigy
[06:55] <ajhtiredwolf> then back to saa7134
[06:55] <ajhtiredwolf> those changes do not stick
[06:55] <ajhtiredwolf> and the same seems to be true with all the mixers
[06:55] <Greybear1> well, you already decided the saa7134_alsa didn't work
[06:55] <Greybear1> oh
[06:55] <Greybear1> changes don't stick at all?
[06:56] <ajhtiredwolf> Correct, after changing the mixer
[06:57] <Greybear1> which mixer are you using?
[06:57] <Greybear1> which app?
[06:57] <ajhtiredwolf> gnome-sound-properties
[06:57] <ajhtiredwolf> no wait
[06:57] <ajhtiredwolf> sorry
[06:58] <ajhtiredwolf> It called Volume applet 2.22.2
[06:58] <Greybear1> has it always behaved like that?
[06:59] <ajhtiredwolf> I dont beleve so... but then again i might not have noticed
[06:59] <Greybear1> what about alsamixer?
[07:00] <ajhtiredwolf> that doesnt seem to have a gui
[07:00] <Greybear1> no, it's a curses app
[07:00] <ajhtiredwolf> dont know how to switch mixer devices with that
[07:00] <Greybear1> but does it retain the settings?
[07:00] <ajhtiredwolf> im not sure i dont know how to switch devices in it
[07:00] <ajhtiredwolf> to check
[07:01] <Greybear1> alsamixer -c
[07:01] <Greybear1> AlsaMixer v1.0.15
[07:01] <Greybear1> Usage: alsamixer [-h] [-c <card: 0...7>] [-D <mixer device>] [-g] [-s] [-V <view>] [-a <abst>]
[07:01] <Greybear1> "alsamixer -c 1" for the second card
[07:02] <ajhtiredwolf> the settings appear to stay the same
[07:02] <ajhtiredwolf> when changing from intel to audigy2
[07:02] <ajhtiredwolf> then back to audigy2
[07:02] <Greybear1> so, maybe you're seeing something funny with the GNOME one
[07:02] <ajhtiredwolf> hang on
[07:02] <ajhtiredwolf> let me make sure that doesnt happen in that one when switching between intel and audigy
[07:03] <ajhtiredwolf> yeah still happens with that one
[07:03] <Greybear1> strange
[07:03] <ajhtiredwolf> but the problem is that it will load the saa7134 one when it boots ( some times) and if that happens i lose the setting
[07:03] <ajhtiredwolf> s
[07:04] <Greybear1> since you aren't using it, just don't ever load saa7134_alsa
[07:04] <ajhtiredwolf> alrighty
[07:04] <ajhtiredwolf> but it still goes to intel some times :p
[07:04] <ajhtiredwolf> maybe i shoudlnt load that one either
[07:04] <Greybear1> you mean settings change?
[07:04] <Greybear1> mixer settings?
[07:04] <ajhtiredwolf> yeah
[07:05] <Greybear1> I have no idea what's happening there
[07:05] <ajhtiredwolf> yeah actually... there is no reason for me to load the saa7134 OR The intel card
[07:05] <ajhtiredwolf> im not using either of them
[07:05] <Greybear1> oh
[07:05] <Greybear1> that does simplify things
[07:05] <Greybear1> I've disabled my motherboard audio to simplify configuration
[07:05] <ajhtiredwolf> wait but... will the tvcard still be able to ouput sound to the audigy card
[07:05] <ajhtiredwolf> if it isnt loaded?
[07:06] <Greybear1> you're not using the alsa driver of the capture card at all
[07:06] <Greybear1> that's why you need the cable
[07:06] <ajhtiredwolf> so what is handling its output?
[07:06] <Greybear1> the Audigy card
[07:06] <ajhtiredwolf> well it goes into the audigy card, but the tvcard has to take the audio, then give it to the audigy2
[07:07] <ajhtiredwolf> so it has to process the audio some how
[07:07] <Greybear1> through the analog cable
[07:07] <ajhtiredwolf> Ahh ok
[07:07] <Greybear1> that's how you hooked it up, right?
[07:07] <ajhtiredwolf> i just have the cable plugged int it, then a cable going from the audio out of the card to the audio in of the audigy
[07:07] <Greybear1> the TV card has a tuner, a digital capture device, and an audio capture device
[07:08] <Greybear1> the tuner puts out analog video and audio
[07:08] <ajhtiredwolf> Ahh ok
[07:08] <Greybear1> you're using the analog audio directly out of the tuner, bypassing the TV card's digital audio capture
[07:08] <ajhtiredwolf> let me try something
[07:08] <ajhtiredwolf> let me remove those two modules and reboot as see if my settings keep
[07:08] <Greybear1> yeah
[07:08] <Greybear1> you also might want to disable the onboard sound in the BIOS setup
[07:09] <ajhtiredwolf> Cant, lame as that is
[07:09] <ajhtiredwolf> there is no option * i tried*
[07:09] <Greybear1> why not?
[07:09] <Greybear1> strange
[07:09] <ajhtiredwolf> I know
[07:09] <ajhtiredwolf> The motherboard is less than great
[07:09] <ajhtiredwolf> i have ethernet problems with it too
[07:09] <Greybear1> what make is the motherboard?
[07:09] <ajhtiredwolf> some times il boot and the internet wont work
[07:09] <ajhtiredwolf> some times it will
[07:10] <ajhtiredwolf> a reboot always fixes it though
[07:10] <ajhtiredwolf> it is a ga-g31m-s2l
[07:10] <Greybear1> well, blacklisting the onboard audio module should have the same effect
[07:10] <Greybear1> Gigabyte?
[07:10] <ajhtiredwolf> Yes
[07:10] <Greybear1> I'm using a Gigabyte motherboard and haven't had too much trouble with it
[07:10] <ajhtiredwolf> They have always been good to me
[07:10] <ajhtiredwolf> this was a cheap one though
[07:10] <ajhtiredwolf> really chea
[07:10] <Greybear1> but it's Nvidia chipset
[07:10] <ajhtiredwolf> p
[07:11] <ajhtiredwolf> you get what you pay for
[07:11] <Greybear1> right
[07:11] <ajhtiredwolf> It has onbaord vide otoo
[07:11] <ajhtiredwolf> which caused hell of problems
[07:11] <Greybear1> ok
[07:11] <ajhtiredwolf> its funny the way that i got it to work
[07:11] <Greybear1> yeah, the one I have is definitely not a budget one
[07:11] <ajhtiredwolf> so first time i installed, i didnt have my graphics card yet
[07:11] <ajhtiredwolf> so i install with the onboard card
[07:11] <ajhtiredwolf> update
[07:11] <ajhtiredwolf> blah blah blah
[07:11] <Greybear1> ok
[07:12] <ajhtiredwolf> then i install the nvidia 8800gt, everything is hunky doodly
[07:12] <ajhtiredwolf> so then later on i try and change some video settings
[07:12] <ajhtiredwolf> it goes to 640x480 and will NOT change
[07:12] <ajhtiredwolf> unless i use the onbard video
[07:12] <Greybear1> strange
[07:12] <ajhtiredwolf> after about a week of frusteration i finally reinstalled
[07:12] <ajhtiredwolf> same problem
[07:12] <Greybear1> this was in Ubuntu?
[07:12] <ajhtiredwolf> no gui even when installing
[07:12] <ajhtiredwolf> yes
[07:12] <ajhtiredwolf> so after a while i think, well what did i do the first time
[07:13] <ajhtiredwolf> so i install with it plugged into the onboard video, same problem
[07:13] <ajhtiredwolf> what i found out was
[07:13] <ajhtiredwolf> i had to install with the onbaord video, and the 8800gt NOT connected, then update the system
[07:13] <ajhtiredwolf> THEN install the 8800gt, any other way and it will not work
[07:13] <Greybear1> strange
[07:13] <ajhtiredwolf> and i can not screw with any video settings, or it happens again
[07:14] <Greybear1> so, the onboard video isn't disabled?
[07:14] <ajhtiredwolf> No not right now
[07:14] <Greybear1> that would probably simplify things to disable it
[07:14] <ajhtiredwolf> yeah i did
[07:14] <ajhtiredwolf> but that didnt help either
[07:14] <Greybear1> hmmm
[07:14] <ajhtiredwolf> my xorg.conf is funny
[07:14] <ajhtiredwolf> look at it
[07:16] <ajhtiredwolf> grrr pastebin isnt working, one sec
[07:16] <Greybear1> ok
[07:16] <ajhtiredwolf> http://pastebin.com/m1c62199d
[07:16] <ajhtiredwolf> Look at that haha
[07:16] <Greybear1> what's so strange?
[07:16] <ajhtiredwolf> theres nothing defined in it
[07:16] <ajhtiredwolf> no monitor settings
[07:17] <ajhtiredwolf> no video settings
[07:17] <Greybear1> I think that's pretty normal these days
[07:17] <ajhtiredwolf> no names of devices
[07:17] <Greybear1> mine looks quite similar
[07:17] <ajhtiredwolf> it almost seems like, it works with the onbaord, then if you update, and install the 8800gt, it will use whatever settings the onbaord had
[07:17] <ajhtiredwolf> but if you try and define your own settings iwth the 8800gt
[07:18] <ajhtiredwolf> it says screw you and pretends it doesnt know what card your talkinga bout
[07:18] <Greybear1> well, the X server configures most things automatically these days
[07:18] <ajhtiredwolf> meh... well hopefully my ocnfiguration will automatically work with the next release
[07:18] <Greybear1> modes are switched with Xrandr instead of being in the xorg.conf
[07:18] <ajhtiredwolf> alright let me see if that worked though, imma reboot
[07:18] <Greybear1> yeah, hopefully
[07:33] <ajhtiredwolf> Grrrn o that didnt work
[07:34] <ajhtiredwolf> and for some reaso nthe saa7134 continues to appear in the device list, although it didnt revert to that one this time thankfully
[07:35] <Greybear1> saa7134_alsa may be loaed automatically by saa7134
[07:35] <ajhtiredwolf> Probably
[07:36] <ajhtiredwolf> Meh I can live with this
[07:36] <ajhtiredwolf> just have to change it before watching tv
[07:37] <Greybear1> you may want to call alsactl in a script
[07:37] <ajhtiredwolf> im gonna try and get rid of this little cracker i hear every once in a while
[07:38] <Greybear1> little cracker?
[07:38] <ajhtiredwolf> I hear a little cracker in the sound about every 5 seconds or so
[07:38] <Greybear1> oh, a crackle?
[07:39] <ajhtiredwolf> Yeah
[07:42] <ajhtiredwolf> weird i wonder why its doing that
[07:42] <ajhtiredwolf> it doesnt do that in tv time
[07:43] <Greybear1> is TV time capturing audio?
[07:43] <ajhtiredwolf> oh wait good point haha
[07:43] <ajhtiredwolf> i just unmute the playback
[07:43] <Greybear1> right
[07:44] <ajhtiredwolf> Il try changing the audio sampling rate see if that helps
[07:44] <Greybear1> yeah, it might
[07:44] <Greybear1> maybe the buffer or period size is too small
[07:44] <ajhtiredwolf> Where cna that be changed?
[07:44] <Greybear1> I'm not sure
[07:44] <Greybear1> I don't know if MythTV lets you change those
[07:47] <ajhtiredwolf> bunch of settings i just found, il mess around in here
[07:47] <Greybear1> ok
[07:50] <ajhtiredwolf> you know it almost seems like its just having a hard time keeping up, like its skipping
[07:50] <ajhtiredwolf> im trying to find a way to lower audio quality but not seeing it
[07:51] <Greybear1> it could be just an audio problem or it could be an audio/video sync problem
[07:52] <ajhtiredwolf> once again cant express how much i appreciate you working with me to fix this :P, its nice when there are people who are willing to help you out vs people who just sit in here to bash anyone for not knowing how to use linux hah
[07:52] <Greybear1> yeah, some people just like to feel elite
[07:52] <ajhtiredwolf> thats what i got in #mythtv called a noob, and swore at me allot hah
[07:53] <Greybear1> but GNU/Linux is mainstream enough today that the real elites use *BSD or something even less known
[07:53] <ajhtiredwolf> yeah they hated ubuntu in there, claimed it brought to many noobs around
[07:53] <ajhtiredwolf> obviously linux spreading and development time decreasing is a BAD thing.. *rolls eyes* :P
[07:53] <Greybear1> that doesn't make much sense for MythTV
[07:54] <ajhtiredwolf>  I used red hat and fedora quite a while ago
[07:54] <ajhtiredwolf> it was allot of fun then to tinker around, but the thing about ubuntu is its a realy OS more than just a hobbiest OS
[07:54] <Greybear1> I've used a wide variety
[07:54] <ajhtiredwolf> Its something that has practical uses
[07:54] <ajhtiredwolf> for the average user
[07:54] <ajhtiredwolf> all the computers in the math department at my university use ubuntu
[07:55] <Greybear1> well, Fedora's probably just as practical, but maybe not as easy for Windows users to start with
[07:55] <ajhtiredwolf> mmm, fedora isnt quite as point and click
[07:55] <ajhtiredwolf> although close, yum is pretty nice
[07:55] <Greybear1> I think Ubuntu is a good balance between newbie friendliness and one for developers
[07:55] <ajhtiredwolf> but ive had to configure things myself after installing with yum allot more often than with apt-get
[07:55] <Greybear1> it built on the long traditions of Debian
[07:56] <ajhtiredwolf> ubuntu really sold me when i put the cd in and was able to try it before installing
[07:56] <Greybear1> yeah, apt has always been superior to other package management systems in my experience
[07:56] <Greybear1> I used Debian years ago, but I was frustrated with the age of the packages
[07:56] <Greybear1> Ubuntu tends to get newer upstream packages
[07:56] <ajhtiredwolf> I only ever used red hat 9 i think it was, and fedora
[07:57] <Greybear1> and I can recommend Ubuntu to Windows users, which wasn't the case for Debian
[07:57] <ajhtiredwolf> The only thing i dont like about ubuntu is that it is more of a pain to install kde
[07:57] <Greybear1> installing Debian wasn't easy, though it may have improved by now
[07:57] <Greybear1> is it?
[07:57] <Greybear1> can't you just use a Kubuntu disc?
[07:57] <ajhtiredwolf> yeah, and ive heard that it can cause some probelm
[07:57] <ajhtiredwolf> so i didnt obther
[07:57] <ajhtiredwolf> well yeah
[07:57] <ajhtiredwolf> but i mean installing kde after installing ubuntu
[07:58] <ajhtiredwolf> Ohh that reminds me, when installed mythbuntu, it changed my startup splash screen, do you know how to change it back?
[07:58] <Greybear1> I think it's just "sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop"
[07:58] <ajhtiredwolf> I didnt mind the mythbuntu one until i realized it doesnt show when ubuntu does a checkdisk
[07:58] <Greybear1> the splash screen before X?
[07:58] <ajhtiredwolf> Right
[07:58] <Greybear1> I don't know
[07:59] <Greybear1> I've usually turned that off
[07:59] <ajhtiredwolf> i thought it was frozen
[07:59] <ajhtiredwolf> but it was doing a checkdisk
[07:59] <ajhtiredwolf> didnt realize that till i booted using init3 :p
[07:59] <Greybear1> I think it's from the usplash package
[07:59] <ajhtiredwolf> damn... main reason i was getting mythtv was for the olympics and now they are over haha
[07:59] <Greybear1> oh
[07:59] <ajhtiredwolf> no biggy, still a few cool things left :P
[08:00] <ajhtiredwolf> have you watched them?
[08:00] <Greybear1> a bit
[08:00] <Greybear1> not much
[08:00] <Greybear1> I did record it, so I'll probably watch a few events
[08:00] <ajhtiredwolf> I love the olympics ,only sports I really enjoy watching
[08:00] <ajhtiredwolf> I love the swimming and the gymnastics
[08:00] <Greybear1> yeah, I rarely watch any sports, but if I do, it's less common ones
[08:00] <ajhtiredwolf> What country do you live in/
[08:00] <Greybear1> US
[08:01] <ajhtiredwolf> you should watch the michael phelps races, those were really cool
[08:01] <ajhtiredwolf> It is amazing just how much he beat the world records by
[08:01] <Greybear1> yeah, I did see when he got his 8th medal or whatever
[08:02] <Greybear1> usplash-theme-ubuntu may be the package you want
[08:02] <ajhtiredwolf> oh yeah btw kde4 is in the package list but it has 1 star
[08:02] <ajhtiredwolf> so i searched on it, and i guess there are a bunch of application conflicts
[08:03] <Greybear1> kde4 is still pretty new I think
[08:03] <ajhtiredwolf> I think that is what installs with kubuntu isnt it?
[08:04] <Greybear1> I'm not sure
[08:04] <ajhtiredwolf> what do you use?
[08:04] <Greybear1> I thought the Ubuntu packages were still 3
[08:04] <Greybear1> I'm just using the regular GNOME stuff
[08:04] <Greybear1> I'm not particularly attached to either one
[08:04] <ajhtiredwolf> Might be, it might be the new release coming in october that uses 4, cant remember
[08:05] <ajhtiredwolf> Im kinda nervous about upgrading to that... worried about my graphics settings haha
[08:06] <Greybear1> well, it's all Xorg, so KDE should affect that
[08:06] <ajhtiredwolf> no i mean when the new version of ubuntu comes out in october, im worrieda bout upgrading to that ;)
[08:07] <Greybear1> yeah there are somtimes hiccups
[08:07] <ajhtiredwolf> i always waited an extra month in fedora, seemed to help
[08:08] <Greybear1> yeah, that's a good idea
[08:08] <Greybear1> I often install the next version on my desktop machine, but wait a while for my servers and MythTV machines
[08:08] <Greybear1> that way, I have an idea if there are things to watch out for
[08:09] <ajhtiredwolf> heh, just running one pc here ;)
[08:09] <ajhtiredwolf> actually
[08:09] <ajhtiredwolf> i have one i could test on, tahts a good idea
[08:09] <ajhtiredwolf> I have an extra pc that i just use as a guitar amplifier
[08:09] <Greybear1> I have Ubuntu installed on five machines I guess
[08:09] <ajhtiredwolf> you do something with computers for a living?
[08:10] <Greybear1> trying to
[08:10] <ajhtiredwolf> what field?
[08:10] <ajhtiredwolf> if you dont mind me asking
[08:10] <Greybear1> well, I'm doing some web development, but that's not quite taking off yet
[08:11] <ajhtiredwolf> creating websites for smaller companies, stuff like that?
[08:11] <Greybear1> for musicians
[08:11] <ajhtiredwolf> Ahhh cool, wanna make one for me ? :p
[08:11] <Greybear1> sure
[08:12] <ajhtiredwolf> actually, do you do any type of database work?
[08:12] <Greybear1> I use Wordpress, which is easy to set up and a good basis for adding functionality
[08:12] <Greybear1> not a lot
[08:12] <ajhtiredwolf> bummer
[08:12] <ajhtiredwolf> I know someone who needs webhelp in that area
[08:13] <Greybear1> I've done some development using MySQL and PostgreSQL
[08:13] <Greybear1> the basics of relational database theory
[08:15] <ajhtiredwolf> Im not sure what it is written in, its a volunteer orginization called care for life, a university was looking for an orginization that they could do web development for as a student project, unfortunately after the students graduated, the development stopped and tehy have no one to continue work on it
[08:15] <ajhtiredwolf> I think they have some "one" working on it now, but its a big undertaking
[08:16] <Greybear1> do you have any pointers to more details?
[08:16] <ajhtiredwolf> www.careforlife.org
[08:16] <ajhtiredwolf> as far as details on that specifically
[08:16] <Greybear1> ok
[08:16] <ajhtiredwolf> you'd have to talk to a guy named tom haws, i have his email if you are interested
[08:17] <Greybear1> they're looking for volunteer work?
[08:17] <ajhtiredwolf> their a great orginization, ive been working with them for a few years, not like most of those places that just want you to send them money and take a portiion of it, they are more interested in teaching skills to third world countrys and improving communities from the ground up
[08:18] <Greybear1> sounds interesting
[08:18] <ajhtiredwolf> no they would probably pay you
[08:18] <ajhtiredwolf> but they wouldnt mind volunteer either hah
[08:18] <ajhtiredwolf> im good with hardware, so that is what i have done for them
[08:18] <Greybear1> well, yes, if I could have the address, I'd appreciate it
[08:18] <ajhtiredwolf> working on computers ... in the middle of mozambique africa is a very unique experience hah
[08:18] <Greybear1> yeah, I'll bet
[08:18] <ajhtiredwolf> hang on let me get it
[08:18] <Greybear1> ok
[08:19] <ajhtiredwolf> im doing an intership there this summer, going for 4 months,m longer than i ever have before :) im excited
[08:19] <Greybear1> ok
[08:19] <Greybear1> yeah, sounds interesting
[08:19] <Greybear1> I grew up in South America, but my dad grew up in Africa
[08:20] <ajhtiredwolf> hmm can i not private message in here?
[08:20] <ajhtiredwolf> really? cool where in africa??
[08:20] <Greybear1> yeah, I'm trying to remember the commands
[08:20] <ajhtiredwolf> dont want to send it in public chat :p
[08:20] <Greybear1> http://www.ircbeginner.com/ircinfo/ircc-commands.html
[08:21] <ajhtiredwolf> lol duh... msg, forgot that
[08:22] <ajhtiredwolf> I believe that he would be the guy to talk to, im pretty sure he is still head of the IT department
[15:28] <MythbuntuGuest22> hello
[15:28] <MythbuntuGuest22> ppl i have a prob i can't get my imon pad to work can you help pls
[15:33] <MythbuntuGuest22> any one???
[15:35] <laga> !asj
[15:35] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about asj
[15:35] <laga> !ask
[15:35] <Zinn> Please don't ask if anyone is around or if it is alright to ask a question.  Many people check back periodically and may answer your question when they see it.  IRC is not normally an instant fix so check back often for an answer.
[15:37] <MythbuntuGuest22> ok only want to know if any one have o solution to it ...
[15:51] <frink_> What is a imon pad?
[16:05] <jphillip> remote control
[17:31] <liri> does mythbuntu install have samba shares preconfigured on install or something?
[18:09] <gkffjcs_> If I want to install the front end on to a standard ubuntu desktop, which package do I install?
[18:23] <tgm4883_laptop> gkffjcs_, if you want to convert the desktop to a mythbuntu desktop, then mythbuntu-desktop.  If you just want the frontend then mythtv-frontend
[18:23] <tgm4883_laptop> liri, I don't believe so, although you can activate them.  Why?
[18:25] <gkffjcs_> thanks.
 :i was able to access the recordings and video folders from my windows box,That part was set up...
[18:55] <tgm4883_laptop> liri, are you sure it wasn't the UPNP server?
[22:16] <MythbuntuGuest43> can anyone help me with the movie posters i am pulling of the search are really low quality, has anyone seen this?
[22:34] <MythbuntuGuest43> can anyone help me with the movie posters i am pulling of the search are really low quality, has anyone seen this?


[00:03] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Stuart Langridge] Waiting - http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2012/05/03/waiting
[05:02] <Knightwise> hey everyone :) good morning
[06:00] <AlanBell> morning all
[06:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning AlanBell unlike you to be online so early ;-)
[06:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> ha ha ha  http://twitpic.com/9gaj36
[06:43] <popey> morning
[06:44] <dogmatic69> o/
[07:09] <AlanBell> choo choo
[07:11] <diplo> Morning
[07:11] <justso> hi
[07:35] <daubers> Morning
[07:35]  * daubers does the excited dance
[07:45] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:45] <selinuxium> Morning all
[07:46] <selinuxium> Erm... Google.co.uk .... Human Centipede? O_o
[07:51] <DJones> bigcalm: What did you think of the S3 now its been announced/reviewed etc
[07:51] <DJones> Happy star wars day btw
[08:08] <dwatkins> May the forth be with you all
[08:10] <bigcalm> Good morning all and happy 4th May :)
[08:11] <bigcalm> DJones: my irssi proxy emailed me when you mentioned me as I wasn't yet connected to it. Really like that :)
[08:11] <bigcalm> DJones: yes, I'm looking forward to having a sgs3 in my hands to compare to the htc1x
[08:11] <bigcalm> The htc1x is big to hold, hoping that the sgs3 is a little more comfortable
[08:12] <DJones> Looking at the spec's, it looks to be about 1/2 cm longer/wider than my Desire HD
[08:17] <bigcalm> The same with my nexus one. Hope that t-mobile have dummy handsets in their shops soon
[08:23] <DJones> Must admit, I'm 50:50 whether to change phones & get an S3 (or better) when my contract is due in November, or just to keep this phone and just go with a giffgaff sim
[08:24] <bigcalm> My contract was due to renewal at the begining of April
[08:24] <bigcalm> The waiting is terrible
[08:25] <DJones> Heh, yeah, I was like that last time, I waited for the HD to come out for a couple of months
[08:26] <bigcalm> Yikes
[08:26] <bigcalm> The s3 is wider and taller than the 1x
[08:26] <bigcalm> Though slightly thinner
[08:26] <DJones> How does it compare to the Note?
[08:27] <bigcalm> htc1x 134.4 x 69.9 x 8.9 mm
[08:27] <bigcalm> sgs3 136.6 x 70.6 x 8.6mm
[08:28] <DJones> Whats a couple of mm between friends
[08:28] <bigcalm> note 146.9 x 83 x 9.7 mm
[08:28] <DJones> Not much between the htc & the S3 then
[08:28] <bigcalm> Well, I find the htc1x uncomfortable to hold. So the handset I chose will now be down to what's in it
[08:29] <DJones> Heh, 1st 1000 order for the S3 at carphone warehouse get a free Galaxy Tab
[08:31] <bigcalm> DJones: that's what Alan Lord did
[08:31] <bigcalm> I'm happy with my Xoom, so don't have a need
[08:32] <DJones> bigcalm: http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinions/samsung-galaxy-s3-vs-htc-one-x-vs-iphone-4s
[08:32] <bigcalm> Looks like I'm not working this morning then :P
[08:32] <DJones> :)
[08:38] <bigcalm> I wonder by whom the reviews are trusted
[08:39] <diplo> Morning all
[08:39] <diplo> Can you .htaccess a symlinked dir ?
[08:40] <bigcalm> diplo: if the .htaccess rules in the parent directory say so
[08:40] <diplo> IE website is /srv/www/html and I have a symlinked dir from /srv/dir to /srv/www/html/dir
[08:40] <bigcalm> Follow symlinks
[08:40] <bigcalm> Or something similar
[08:40] <bigcalm> Try it :)
[08:40] <diplo> Yep, all on :)
[08:40] <diplo> I have, can't get it to work.. just wanted to make sure I read it right
[08:40] <diplo> :P
[08:40] <bigcalm> Fair enough :)
[08:41] <DJones> bigcalm: http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1059098/vs05-03_20-02-41x1020_gallery_post.jpg Looking at that, I prefer the HTC
[08:42] <bigcalm> Yeah
[08:42] <diplo> thehtc the onex ?
[08:42] <bigcalm> Though I did like the look of the s2
[08:42] <diplo> Sister is debating ordering the S3 this weekend
[08:43] <bigcalm> I have a month to mull it over
[08:43] <diplo> I defo want my next phone to have no buttons at the bottom though
[08:43] <smittix> Morning all.
[08:43] <oimon> it makes me laugh when people scream "we want games on linux". then there's news about EA , and the haters go "not those games!"
[08:43] <bigcalm> And the release day is while we're in Northern Ireland to celebrate Hayley's 40th birthday
[08:43] <diplo> I have big chubby fingers and keep hitting the hard buttons at the bottom
[08:44] <diplo> heh oimon - Always going to be some isn't there.
[08:44] <DJones> diplo: Now you've said that, smething I've never noticed is that mine doesn't have a button at the bottom
[08:44] <oimon> diplo, yeah, and vocal too. looks like reddit tells a lot of people what to think
[08:45] <bigcalm> I'm used to having the ball on my nexus one
[08:45] <diplo> I have a wildfire and the little butons at the bottom get hit all the time
[08:45] <bigcalm> Which is handy when the touch interface goes crazy if I'm lying in bed
[08:45] <oimon> does it?
[08:45] <bigcalm> Oh, those buttons. I like them on my n1
[08:45] <oimon> bigcalm, ah, if you have it under the covers then condensation forms on the screen
[08:46] <BigRedS> I do keep wishing my galaxy2 had more buttons than just the iPhone one
[08:46] <bigcalm> oimon: indeed, but this is out side of the covers. Starts off ok and then slowly goes crazy
[08:46] <oimon> hmm
[08:46] <BigRedS> bigcalm: mine does that sometimes on charge. Hasn't since I changed the USB cable i was using
[08:47] <bigcalm> Again, this is while it's unplugged (I don't think it makes a difference for me)
[08:49] <bigcalm> Goodness I'm tired
[08:52] <JamesTait> Happy Star Wars Day! *8OD
[08:53] <bigcalm> JamesTait: 4th May be with you
[08:55] <JamesTait> bigcalm: And you. :)
[09:03] <bigcalm> http://vimeo.com/40539993
[09:29] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:30] <wintellect> hi brobostigon
[09:31] <brobostigon> hi wintellect
[09:35] <dogmatic69> anyone know why my servers wlan0 keeps disconnecting? its been fine for a whole month, now 4 times in two days I have had to sudo ifdown wlan0 && sudo ifup wlan0 to make it work again
[09:35] <dogmatic69> is there anything I can look at to see what is causing this?
[09:36] <oimon> anything in dmesg?
[09:36] <oimon> or /var/log/syslog?
[09:36] <dogmatic69> one sec. I will go check
[09:36]  * dogmatic69 takes the kb with :/
[09:42] <dogmatic69> oimon: would it be [61650.020019] wlan0: authentication with c0:d0:44:48:e7:b5 timed out
[09:44] <dogmatic69> oimon: this is the last bit of dmesg http://bin.cakephp.org/view/1625039826
[09:44] <dogmatic69> funny how it connected right before I plugged the kb in
[09:53] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:53] <czajkowski> have some nice easy Lp questions if folks wnat to help
[09:53] <czajkowski> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/195927
[09:53] <czajkowski> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/195898
[10:04] <bigcalm> czajkowski: you have slashdotted the lp database
[10:05] <czajkowski> nah time of day for maintence
[10:13] <davmor2> morning all
[10:13] <davmor2> prod czajkowski
[10:13] <czajkowski> poke
[10:15] <davmor2> czajkowski: have a hug
[10:25] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2, how's your health?
[10:26] <davmor2> bigcalm: much better, still a fair bit of pain but I got a lot of movement back, thanks you?
[10:27] <bigcalm> davmor2: glad to hear that you're recovering. I'm ok ta, have that Friday feeling but too much to do as well
[10:28] <davmor2> bigcalm: yeah but mondays is a day off too so that was nice
[10:28] <bigcalm> Aye
[10:28] <bigcalm> Or will be nice
[10:37] <AlanBell> morning all
[10:37] <AlanBell> from the London Mozspace :)
[10:37] <brobostigon> morning AlanBell
[10:37] <mattt> morning guys
[10:38] <brobostigon> morning mattt
[10:39] <mattt> brobostigon: how you this morning?
[10:40] <brobostigon> mattt: headache the size of saturn. and you?
[10:40] <mattt> brobostigon: off this week, so doing alright :)
[10:40] <davmor2> AlanBell: That sounds like a fantastic name for a geek night club
[10:41] <brobostigon> mattt: :)
[10:41] <mattt> AlanBell: is that place open to the public?
[10:42] <AlanBell> open to geeks :)
[10:42] <AlanBell> it is really good
[10:42] <mattt> free to use?  :P
[10:42] <AlanBell> http://thenextweb.com/uk/2012/03/23/a-look-inside-mozillas-new-london-co-working-space/
[10:43] <AlanBell> yeah, it is amazing
[10:44] <mattt> wow, looks great
[10:44] <mattt> great place for meetups, etc. too
[10:46] <ali1234> http://cdn.thenextweb.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2012/03/bikeshed200.jpg i don't like this sign
[10:46] <ali1234> it should be blue
[10:48] <BigRedS> blue?
[10:49] <bigcalm> Orange isn't an Ubuntu exclusive colour you know :P
[10:49] <Myrtti> ali1234: haha
[10:52] <AlanBell> but I think someone should paint it green
[10:52] <directhex> tee hee @ ali1234
[10:52] <gordonjcp> ali1234: heh ;-)
[10:52] <AlanBell> it looks exactly like that with the same one bike on the wall
[10:53] <AlanBell> this place is quite empty but very nicely finished
[11:06] <brobostigon> it seems con-dem, have kinda took the hit, i predicted yesterday.
[11:08] <brobostigon> and some labour and green increases.
[11:17] <bigcalm> Getting this as a daily email from my proliant server: http://paste.ubuntu.com/966685/
[11:17] <bigcalm> Not sure what I need to do
[11:18] <BigRedS> bigcalm: check what the postrotate script for mysql does and see why it's failing
[11:18] <BigRedS> /etc/logrotate.d/mysql  will have the script in it
[11:19] <BigRedS> er .../mysql-server
[11:20] <cesarsdquadros> hello
[11:20] <cesarsdquadros> give me some help here
[11:20] <cesarsdquadros> someone to answer?
[11:20] <bigcalm> !ask
[11:20] <bigcalm> !patients
[11:21] <cesarsdquadros> i'm from brazil, working on brazilian army, we use ubuntu 10.04 lts
[11:21] <cesarsdquadros> and when i open
[11:21] <cesarsdquadros> the "terminal" don't appear any word like ubuntu@ubuntudesktop ~
[11:22] <cesarsdquadros> and i can't write anything too
[11:22] <cesarsdquadros> what is wrong
[11:23] <cesarsdquadros>  i'm from brazil, working on brazilian army, we use ubuntu 10.04 lts  and when i open  the "terminal" don't appear any word like ubuntu@ubuntudesktop ~ and i can't write anything too  what is wrong
[11:26] <cesarsdquadros> oh i have discover what is the mistake, is the colors of the terminal, i get use the color of the system sorry for the inconvenience. att. Pvt Quadros. 26 GAC - Brazil
[11:28] <AlanBell> ni cesarsdquadros
[11:28] <AlanBell> hi even
[11:28] <AlanBell> great to hear that Brazil is using Ubuntu :)
[11:28] <jpds> AlanBell: Didn't know you became a knight.
[11:29] <AlanBell> I just like to say ni
[11:30] <bigcalm> Everybody should say ni
[11:30] <bigcalm> Just don't say it
[11:31] <cesarsdquadros> We from brazilian army, use the ubuntu yes :D since the 9.04  and we are sattisfacted. with the evolution of linux and ubuntu debian versions, it's free! and the better OS on world
[11:33] <bigcalm> \o/
[11:39] <bigcalm> BigRedS: the debian-sys-maint user password needed updating - I had copied all of the databases from my old dev server to my new one. Including the mysql db
[11:40] <BigRedS> ahhh!
[11:40] <BigRedS> yeah, that'll do it :)
[11:44] <davmor2> bigcalm: Ekke Ekke Ekke Ekke Ptang Zoo Boing Zow Zing
[11:45] <bigcalm> davmor2: nasty twitch you've got there
[11:50] <davmor2> bigcalm: http://borepatch.blogspot.co.uk/2010/02/we-are-no-longer-knights-who-say-ni.html
[11:54] <DJones> When people complain about Ubuntu not supporting playind DVD's OTB, can we refer them to this in future http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/45545/no-dvd-playback-for-windows-8
[11:54] <DJones> s/playind/playing/
[11:54] <BigRedS> as sort-of implied in that article, do many people try to watch DVDs on a computer still?
[11:55] <DJones> I never have, but I'm sure some do
[12:00] <Myrtti> we even bought the Limited Edition set of Harry Potters just because it came with both DVD and Bluray
[12:01] <Myrtti> I don't have a TV or DVD player at my apartment, but I do have a DVD drive on my laptops.
[12:06] <BigRedS> yeah, I watch films on computers sometimes, I just don't use DVDs to do it
[12:07] <shauno> I took the dvd drive out my laptop a week after I got it.  much more valuable as a second sata bay :)
[14:29] <BigRedS> Anyone know of a way to print a dump of all the code to be executed by a PHP file, including include()d code and the like?
[14:43] <bigcalm> Includes might be conditional
[14:45] <BigRedS> yeah, but I just want a dump of the code, so I figure the entirety of the included file can go in the conditional
[14:46] <BigRedS> get_included_files does what I want, though
[14:46] <BigRedS> I was just wondering which file might be breaking a page that somebody else wrote
[14:47] <BigRedS> though they seem to have fixed it now
[14:55] <DJones> bigcalm: Sorry to interrupt the work, start of this video is interesting http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/9718735.stm
[15:03] <bigcalm> DJones: so the camera is on all the time to drain the battery?
[15:08] <DJones> Not sure, I can't see it
[15:10]  * Myrtti ♥ christel
[15:11] <MooDoo> *yawn*
[16:43]  * AlanBell haz many many Ubuntu 12.04 CDs
[16:43]  * AlanBell pops to the post box with the pre-orders
[16:44]  * AlanBell has no raspberry pi :(
[16:44] <AlanBell> popey: did yours arrive?
[16:44] <MartijnVdS> isn't popey on the other side of the world?
[16:45] <AlanBell> yes, but if it arrived I will pop round and collect it from @therealpopey
[17:17] <mattt> aww, Adam Yauch from beastie boys has passed away :(
[17:18] <MartijnVdS> MCA
[17:18] <gordonjcp> mattt: :-/
[17:48] <bigcalm> :O :(
[18:14] <buzz_> mattt, :(
[18:18] <czajkowski> gord: I have bickies and tea bags for you
[18:39] <kvarley> How would I go about doing the following? I want to find all files with a certain file extension and extract only those files from the archive. The archives are in rar format.
[18:41] <gordonjcp> what, extract only certain files from the archive?
[18:41] <gordonjcp> have a look at the options that unrar gives you
[18:42] <AlanBell> http://mulqueeny.wordpress.com/2012/05/04/buy-yourself-something-pretty/
[18:48] <AlanBell> 12.04 loco CDs have arrived, if you want one then you can have one http://ubuntu-uk.org/free-cds/
[18:48] <zleap> cool
[18:52] <kvarley> gordonjcp: Found a forum post on it. Thanks anyway
[18:59] <zleap> hi issyl0
[19:06] <ali1234> ok so win8 won't play dvds... will it play blu-ray?
[19:11] <DJones> ali1234:  For optical discs playback on new Windows 8 devices, we are going to rely on the many quality solutions on the market, which provide great experiences for both DVD and Blu-ray."
[19:11] <ali1234> so no?
[19:11] <DJones> Doesn't look like it with out buying/installing after market software
[19:11] <DJones> In other words: If you want to watch that Bridesmaids DVD on your next plane trip, you're going to have to pay extra for software that will let you play it, even if your laptop already has a DVD drive. And don't think getting Blu-ray is an option — you can't play that straight from the box, either.
[19:12] <ali1234> so in other words exactly the same as the situation on ubuntu?
[19:12] <DJones> That is all from http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology-blog/windows-8-dropping-ability-play-dvds-171546904.html
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> Yay patent wars
[19:12] <DJones> ali1234: Yep
[19:12] <ali1234> likely this is a calculated ploy to get people to use windows marketplace
[19:13] <ali1234> they will probably "relent" 1 week after release and put something on there for free
[19:13] <DJones> Although, Ubuntu may be better off, that will play non-encrypted dvds by dfault won't it, from the sound of it Win 8 won't play dvd's period
[19:13] <ali1234> thus forcing everyone to sign up
[19:13] <DJones> Or install VLC
[19:14] <ali1234> unencrypted dvds on totem? lol
[19:14] <ali1234> VLC won't be allowed in the marketplace
[19:15] <zleap> ali1234, won't that cause problems with competition laws if only certain software is allowed in there
[19:15] <ali1234> er, no?
[19:15] <AlanBell> no
[19:15] <ali1234> didn't cause problems for android or iphone or mac os
[19:15] <ali1234> or meego or ubuntu
[19:15] <AlanBell> vlc removed themselves from the apple store
[19:16] <zleap> ok
[19:16] <AlanBell> http://www.tuaw.com/2011/01/08/vlc-app-removed-from-app-store/
[19:17] <ali1234> well yes
[19:17] <AlanBell> bit more complicated than I stated
[19:17] <ali1234> if apple or microsoft says "you can't put GPL software in the app store"
[19:17] <ali1234> then the developer has a choice between relicencing or removing it from the app store
[19:19] <ali1234> intel's appup T&C are really bizarre
[19:19] <ali1234> they have standard stuff that makes it impossible to ship GPL software
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> Yeah, imagine
[19:19] <ali1234> then a clause which completely contradicts all that and basically says "oh yeah btw you can put GPL software in here too"
[19:20] <ali1234> so basically their T&C is not internally inconsistent
[19:20] <ali1234> and it happened because someone pointed out that the T&C would prevent GPL, so they just slapped a band aid on it
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> because GPLs are teh evals!
[19:29] <funkyHat> Sounds like an exception rather than an inconsistency
[19:30] <Azelphur> funkyHat: the GPL says stuff that conflicts with the license, so if you allow one of them has to be nullified
[19:33] <ali1234> http://create.msdn.com/downloads/?id=638 see sections 1. L and 5. E
[20:59] <mattt> anyone buy any oreilly books today?
[21:05] <popey> ivanka: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/984088
[22:29] <AlanBell> night all
[22:29] <brobostigon> night AlanBell o/


[11:44] <lotusleaf> They join, they part! They join and part and join! The joining and parting show!
[11:44] <lotusleaf> part part part! join join join!
[11:44] <jrib> eh?
[11:44] <lotusleaf> :P
[11:45] <Hawkwind> lotusleaf: You do realize this channel is logged at all times, specifically for meetings only really is what this channel is for
[11:46] <lotusleaf> Hawkwind: I know, excuse my offtopic humor. :)
[11:46] <Hawkwind> Hah.  Just making sure ya knew is all :)
[11:46] <lotusleaf> Hawkwind: thanks! :)