[08:54] <falktx> hi there
[11:55] <scott-work> morning
[12:35] <astraljava> o/
[12:38] <scott-work> after our conversation yesterday i am feeling energized again
[12:38] <scott-work> astraljava: ^^^
[12:38] <astraljava> YES!! Mission accomplished. I can go slack off again.
[12:39] <scott-work> lol :)
[12:39] <astraljava> Hehe. :) Seriously, it was really good for me to host the meeting. I seem to have gotten more excited as well.
[12:39] <scott-work> good :)
[12:40] <scott-work> that coincides with my question about hosting the meeting and an potential increase of involvement
[12:40] <astraljava> Also, in a week, I'll be having a 100/10 line at home, so I get to really devel and test, I mean, seriously, so I'm getting pumped up right now.
[12:41] <scott-work> i believe that many people are hesitant to speak in meetings because they don't feel honestly involved or part of the project
[12:41] <astraljava> Yeah. It's just the thing of getting your hands dirty, you get to the feel of things.
[12:41]  * astraljava is all about things today, it seems
[12:41] <scott-work> once they lead the meeting some of the mysteriousness or unfamiliarity dissapates and people seem to be more willing to be active
[12:41] <astraljava> Right, exactly.
[12:42]  * scott-work wonders if that will translate to project lead as well
[12:42] <astraljava> holstein: Do you recall seeing the minutes of the meeting you hosted in July?
[12:43] <astraljava> scott-work: I would assume as much. After all, we're not seeing really long-term leaders in teams of ubuntu-land. It's an exhaustive position, and will need fresh blood every once in a while.
[12:43] <astraljava> The rotation should utilize for that nicely.
[12:43] <astraljava> utilize that* ?
[12:44] <astraljava> or not utilize at all, maybe something else.
[12:44] <astraljava> But you get the point.
[12:44]  * astraljava wishes he knew more English
[12:56] <abogani> 8.9-lowlatency kernel is available.
[12:56] <abogani> I meant 8.10
[13:08] <scott-work> astraljava: many people in this channel are not native english speakers, however i have not found many occurrances for which i could not undestand them
[13:09] <scott-work> i have pointed out several times that i have found many English Second Language (ESL) speakers to speak better than many native English speakers
[13:09] <scott-work> this is a position for which i speak honestly
[13:10] <scott-work> ah, alessio is gone before i could thank him
[13:30] <scott-work> ah, abogani , good afternoon to you my friend!
[13:30] <abogani> scott-work: good afternoon to you! :-)
[13:31] <scott-work> thank you for mentioning the -lowlatency kernel
[13:31] <scott-work> is this the 3.8.10 kernel? and is it in your git repository?
[13:33] <abogani> scott-work: Yes!
[13:36] <scott-work> abogani:  in the past have you ever considered if the debian multimedia team would accept your kernels, particularly the -lowlatency kernel?
[13:37] <scott-work> i wonder if they would or not
[13:38] <abogani> scott-work: I don't care because kernels are never imported in Ubuntu from Debian directly .
[13:39] <scott-work> ah, a very astute point
[13:39] <abogani> scott-work: For same reasons: different patches, different versions, different toolchain and so on...
[13:39] <scott-work> yes, i should have realized this
[13:41] <scott-work> abogani:  emmett has been unresponsive for the currently packaged kernel in my ppa and therefore i am hesitant to devote time to packaging this one as well :/
[13:42] <scott-work> my time has been overly taxed and i am trying to be judicious with it of late
[13:43] <scott-work> astraljava: i spoke with skaet last night/this morning regarding the A3 image and whether it had been published
[13:43] <scott-work> i was concerned that i did not speak to her in a timely fashion and the image had been published, apparently i did and it didn't :)
[13:44] <scott-work> i was quite surprised when she PM'ed me stated she had read the meeting logs and saw my comments regarding this and was concerned if she had done the correct thing
[13:44] <scott-work> i assured her that she had
[13:44] <abogani> scott-work: I'm waiting so long that you start to be judicious about your time. If you remember I advise that you a lot of times ;-)
[13:45] <abogani> I have advised
[13:45] <scott-work> abogani: yes, yes, my friend, i remember it very clearly :)  and i do appreciate your concern, i cannot stress enough my appreciation for you
[14:07] <holstein> astraljava: july didnt happen
[14:07] <holstein> i sent out the email late though
[14:19]  * abogani is wondering if UStudio has received requests about -rt kernel.
[14:43] <astraljava> scott-work: Wow! Damn. She's hard-core, _so_ dedicated! :)
[14:44] <astraljava> holstein: Okay, I'm just wondering where I can find the meeting minutes as the site where they should have them has last been updated at the end of June.
[14:44] <holstein> right.. we didnt have a meeting
[14:45] <holstein> i mean, no one came, so i didnt start it
[14:45] <holstein> i didnt do a stub about it...
[14:50] <astraljava> Okay cool, no worries, I was just informed the minutes are there, but the web interface doesn't update.
[14:50] <astraljava> So I gotta ask for them.
[14:50] <holstein> yeah?
[14:51] <holstein> i didnt start the bot, and i didnt grab anything from #ubuntu-meeting
[14:51] <holstein> i think i said 'the meeting is postponed'
[14:51] <holstein> we could grab that
[14:51] <astraljava> Right on. :)
[14:51] <astraljava> No, I don't mean from the July meeting. :D
[14:51] <astraljava> Just from yesterday. :D
[14:52] <holstein> AH... :)
[14:52] <holstein> i see
[14:54] <astraljava> Hehe, that would hilarious. See meeting minutes here: "Meeting postponed". Cheers!
[15:01] <holstein> lol
[15:05] <scott-work> but there was a meeting the holstein chaired for which he did use the bot if you are interested in those as well, astraljava
[15:05] <scott-work> astraljava: but i do also realize that you are looking for the minutes from the meeting yesterday as well
[15:06] <holstein> astraljava: i can put the channel output in a pastebin if you need...
[16:07] <scott-work> ailo: astraljava: holstein: i feel that our conversations yesterday were powerful, would it be possible to set a time we can get together as discuss plans for the remainder of this release?
[16:07] <holstein> sure
[16:07] <scott-work> and possible discuss the direction of oneiric+1
[16:07] <holstein> how about loosely a daily thing?
[16:07] <holstein> just hang when/if we are around?
[16:08] <scott-work> i would prefer something more organized originally, just to set a loose frame work of what we can reasonably accomplish and agree upon it as a group
[16:08] <holstein> ubuntu 12.04 codename practially panther ;)
[16:08] <scott-work> then i think loose, daily discussion are good :)
[16:08] <scott-work> holstein: i like your other one better
[16:08] <holstein> hehe
[16:09] <astraljava> scott-work: Definitely. We would need a lot of workshop sessions to get everything going. It's too seldom that enough people are here otherwise at the sametime.
[16:09] <astraljava> same time, even
[16:11] <scott-work> i don't think it needs to be a formalized meeting for everyone to attend
[16:12] <scott-work> just the four of us because we are the most active and will be doing the actual work
[16:12] <scott-work> it could be an ad hoc, pickup meeting if we happend to be here at the same time
[16:12] <scott-work> or we could agree on a time and do it
[16:13] <astraljava> That's the thing, we will hardly ever be here at the same time, unless we agree on a date beforehand.
[16:13] <astraljava> But outside of that, we can drop all formalities.
[16:17] <scott-work> maybe we might shoot for three out of the four then and give the fourth notes of the discussion for which he can comment
[16:18] <scott-work> i am very frustrated with the lack of progress and am very motivated to over come obstacles and make progress
[16:22] <astraljava> Exactly. Hell, even 2 would be great. Most days, it's someone shooting some ideas on the channel, and 8 hours later someone +1's.
[17:10] <scott-work> then perhaps we should define a framework to discuss these things on IRC over time
[17:11] <scott-work> maybe we should all mention the top five tasks we feel is imortant to finish this cycle's development, wait a day, comapre the list, decide which ones to attack, prioritize them, and assign responsibility
[20:00] <astraljava> My timeframe would be around 1500 UTC to 2200 UTC, and the things I'd like to be worked on are (in no particular order): 1. lowlatency kernel, 2. package selection (includes everything from seeds to workflow description), 3. user-friendly documentation, 4. contributior-friendly documentation, 5. continuity of the project
[21:47] <ailo> I'm close to a computer usually between 06.00-20.00 UTC
[21:48] <ailo> The rest of the time I might be sleeping
[22:32] <astraljava> Ahh... yeah, on a normal week, my comp.time is usually from around 0500 UTC to that 2200 to 2300 UTC, but this week, I played it safe and gave it a reduced schedule, as we're... you know, busy with two releases due Friday. :D


[12:14] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:34] <penguin42> Hey BK
[12:34] <BluesKaj> hi penguin42
[13:34] <BluesKaj> !schedule
[16:11] <FernandoMiguel> olá
[16:35] <BluesKaj> FernandoMiguel, Howdy :)
[16:36] <FernandoMiguel> hey hey BluesKaj
[16:38] <krofna> Is it possible to upgrade to next ubuntu+1 now?
[16:39] <FernandoMiguel> I'm doing it right now
[16:39] <FernandoMiguel> seding to raring
[16:39] <BluesKaj> the toolchain is up but changing the sources.list and upgrading didn't work for me
[16:39] <FernandoMiguel> I've been upgrading to +1 one stable release day for many releases
[16:39] <FernandoMiguel> missed this year, since I was on vacations in spain
[16:42] <FernandoMiguel>  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:42] <FernandoMiguel> now....
[16:43] <FernandoMiguel> seems to be working so far
[16:43] <FernandoMiguel> installing packages
[16:45] <BluesKaj> did you sed your sources.list from quantal to raring , FernandoMiguel ?
[16:45] <FernandoMiguel> yep
[16:45] <FernandoMiguel> $ pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:45] <FernandoMiguel> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1295428/
[16:48] <BluesKaj> FernandoMiguel, with which command , I think the one I used must have failed somehow , sudo sed -i 's/quantal/raring' /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:50] <FernandoMiguel> I went over it manually
[16:50] <IdleOne> Well, I'm not going to be the only one who doesn't...here goes.
[16:50] <FernandoMiguel> since I have 3rd party PPAs/repos
[16:50] <BluesKaj> I'll wait 'til you're finished , FernandoMiguel
[16:50] <FernandoMiguel> :)
[16:51] <BluesKaj> already tried the raring reposa once and they brought down were some python upgrades , otherwise nothing else
[16:52] <BluesKaj> correction :repos once and all they brought down
[16:53] <BluesKaj> Ihave 12.10 installed on my "Main" partition , this is a "Test" partitions so it doesn't matter all that much if it fails
[16:54] <FernandoMiguel> I always run +1
[16:54] <FernandoMiguel> no other OS
[16:54] <FernandoMiguel> other than a specially craft grub to boot from ISO
[16:55] <FernandoMiguel> where I have stable and nightly isos
[16:55] <FernandoMiguel> purging a few i386 packages left by skype
[16:55] <FernandoMiguel> and running the upgrade again
[16:55] <bekks> !enter | FernandoMiguel
[16:56] <IdleOne> upgrade to raring complete
[16:57] <FernandoMiguel> $ lsb_release -a
[16:57] <FernandoMiguel> Description:	Ubuntu 12.10
[16:57] <FernandoMiguel> I guess I need a reboot
[16:57] <FernandoMiguel> $ cat /etc/lsb-release
[16:57] <FernandoMiguel> DISTRIB_RELEASE=12.10
[16:59] <bekks> !paste | FernandoMiguel
[16:59] <IdleOne> bekks: one line paste is not really a flood now is it
[17:00] <FernandoMiguel> pff
[17:00] <FernandoMiguel> you guys are soooo stiff
[17:01] <BluesKaj> so FernandoMiguel , what's the verdict ?
[17:01] <bekks> 4 of 5 of his consecutive lines were pasted ;) I'll not use that !paste that often anymore.
[17:01] <FernandoMiguel> need a reboot to be sure
[17:01] <FernandoMiguel> busy keeping up with stuff since I went on vacations.....
[17:02] <IdleOne> bekks: All I was trying to say was that although this channel follows the same !guidelines as other Ubuntu irc channels, there is some room for leniency.
[17:03] <BluesKaj> especially when there not that many active users here
[17:03] <bekks> IdleOne: I fully understood that, thats why I'm going not use !cmds that often :)
[17:04] <FernandoMiguel> guys, relax, really :D
[17:04] <IdleOne> FernandoMiguel: I am relaxed :)
[17:04]  * bekks too :)
[17:05] <FernandoMiguel> I just got home from a week vacations. so I'm pretty relaxed :D
[17:06]  * BluesKaj can't be much more relaxed
[17:07] <FernandoMiguel> ehe
[17:17] <BluesKaj> hmm same thing as last try , nothing but some python gobjects to install ..must be the server
[17:17] <FernandoMiguel> see my pastebin
[17:18] <FernandoMiguel> I have main and a local mirror
[17:23] <BluesKaj> was using the main , switched to local
[17:23] <FernandoMiguel> weird BluesKaj
[17:23] <BluesKaj> in the package manager
[17:24] <BluesKaj> nope , still no upgrades available
[17:27] <FernandoMiguel> can you pastebin your sources.list and sources.list.d/* ?
[17:28] <FernandoMiguel> also what command are you using to check updates?
[17:29] <BluesKaj> I have no ppas in sources.list.d
[17:31] <BluesKaj> I'm doing update then upgrade then dist-upgrade
[17:31] <FernandoMiguel> k
[17:32] <FernandoMiguel> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:32] <FernandoMiguel> this is mine! hasn't failed me yet
[19:47] <BluesKaj> some must be blocking the toolchain access on the main server from my location..my sources list is edited to raring , yet when I update I see several searches in quantal repos like : Get:8 http://archive.ubuntu.com quantal/main amd64 Packages ...why ? could this be the problem ?
[19:49] <BluesKaj> apt-get isn't pulling anything from the repos for the raring upgrade
[19:54] <BluesKaj> yofel, any hints on my problem above ?
[19:57] <yofel> hm, not really. I only have a raring chroot so far, but there it reads the archive fine "Get:3 http://archive.ubuntu.com raring/main amd64 Packages [1138 kB]"
[19:59] <BluesKaj> ok yofel thanks
[20:09] <mrdeb> hello
[20:09] <mrdeb> is linux mint cinnamon good
[20:10] <bekks> No one knows in here. :)
[20:10] <bekks> It's not supported :)
[20:12] <mrdeb> well we were talking ab out it before
[20:13] <mrdeb> how r u
[20:15] <mrdeb> oh sorry
[20:21] <BluesKaj> bekks any idea why the repos for raring aren't working , the toolchain is up and some ppl have been able to install 13.04 , but for some reason apt-get isn't drawing down any packages , I've treid the main server and our local one
[20:21] <bekks> BluesKaj: They are not fully replicated across all mirrors yet, I guess.
[20:22] <bekks> Just wait a few days. :)
[20:22] <BluesKaj> tried the same mirrors as those who were successful
[20:22] <BluesKaj> that's the thing
[20:55] <FernandoMiguel> BluesKaj: let me check my archive
[20:57] <FernandoMiguel> /var/lib/apt/lists/mirrors.fe.up.pt_pub_ubuntu_dists_raring_Release
[20:57] <FernandoMiguel> mine look fine
[20:58] <FernandoMiguel> Get:1 http://mirrors.fe.up.pt raring Release.gpg [933 B]


[00:37] <knome> mr_pouit, is the thunar slow-first-load problem fixed for precise?
[03:09] <ScottL> knome, i think i noticed that it was (thunar slow-first-load problem fixed)
[08:53] <ochosi> knome, ScottL: i don't think it's fixed upstream. the only reason it might appear fixed is because the gvfs component for browsing the network are missing
[08:53] <ochosi> (but i'd suggest asking jannis for clarity)
[09:23] <mr_pouit> not fixed upstream, no
[09:23] <mr_pouit> maybe something changed in gvfs though
[09:24] <mr_pouit> (and won't be fixed for 4.10 either if the new sidepane isn't finished)
[09:25] <micahg> mr_pouit: please tell me they'll switch to gio for the gtk3 port
[09:25] <mr_pouit> thunar already uses gio :p
[09:25] <micahg> oh, right
[10:07] <mr_pouit> (I disabled the bug tracker for the xubuntu-artwork project, people should report bugs to the ubuntu package instead, really)
[10:08] <micahg> mr_pouit: can you leave a note on the project homepage to that regard if you haven't already?
[10:09] <mr_pouit> I tried to add something on the bug page, but it doesn't show up when you disable bug tracking =]
[10:13] <mr_pouit> okay, I added something to the description
[10:21] <micahg> thanks
[11:35] <ochosi> mr_pouit: ah so that's why all the artwork bugs were changed recently :)
[11:36] <ochosi> (and i don't think there is even a slight chance the new sidepane will be included in 4.10)
[11:47] <mr_pouit> yep
[13:36] <leo-unglaub> hi guys!
[14:06] <ochosi> hey leo-unglaub
[14:07] <leo-unglaub> hi ochosi
[14:38] <ochosi> leo-unglaub: you're still working on the thunar-shares stuff?
[14:52] <leo-unglaub> ochosi: no, thats done
[14:53] <leo-unglaub> i send the new version to the original maintainer
[14:53] <leo-unglaub> and now i am waiting for feedback
[14:53] <leo-unglaub> currently i am rewriting the task manager
[14:53] <leo-unglaub> for my own needs
[14:53] <ochosi> what exactly are you doing with it?
[14:54] <leo-unglaub> i am adding some expert options
[14:54] <leo-unglaub> like, monitoring the io access for some processes
[14:54] <leo-unglaub> or a quick filter
[14:54] <leo-unglaub> and somethink like that
[14:54] <leo-unglaub> input is always welcome
[14:54] <ochosi> quick filter sounds less like an expert option, but more like an actual improvement :)
[14:55] <ochosi> yes, actually i have a request for a simple patch
[14:55] <ochosi> the bars on top that show cpu and ram usage
[14:56] <ochosi> those could show the mem in MB also (not just %)
[14:57] <ochosi> also, the current UI doesn't make it clear that one bar is for cpu, the other is for ram
[14:57] <ochosi> you have to show the tooltip for that
[15:04] <leo-unglaub> re, well, not everything is an expert option :)
[15:04] <leo-unglaub> the cip and ram display is funny anyway because by looking an it you see nothing relevant
[15:04] <leo-unglaub> there is no display how much ram you have or somethink like it
[15:05] <ochosi> exactly
[15:05] <ochosi> it could be interesting to have the graph, but it would need some enhancements to be really usable
[15:06] <leo-unglaub> well, the good thing is: there is nothing my vim can't do...the only limitation is me *g*
[15:06] <ochosi> (actually those enhancements should be easy to do, the information must be available somewhere there)
[15:06] <ochosi> :)
[15:27] <leo-unglaub> ochosi: the biggest problem for me is to know what the original maintainer want with this programm
[15:27] <leo-unglaub> because some thinks he did for a reason
[15:27] <leo-unglaub> example from 1.0.0 changelog: - Replaced progress bars against monitors
[15:28] <ochosi> easiest way is to join #xfce-dev and ask m8t personally ;)
[15:29] <leo-unglaub> :) sure...but that takes time
[15:44] <knome> leo-unglaub, let me type so you can copy-paste:
[15:44] <knome> /join #xfce-dev
[15:44] <knome> m8t, hello
[15:44] <knome> leo-unglaub, ^ there you go ^__^
[15:44] <leo-unglaub> lol
[15:44] <leo-unglaub> thanks for that *g*
[15:45] <leo-unglaub> i am @work right now and my bos is here...so i have to face "real company work" *g*
[15:46]  * knome disregards his boss
[15:46] <knome> oh, wait...
[15:46]  * knome just forgot he's an entrepreneur
[15:46] <knome> oops! i got caught
[15:49] <leo-unglaub> lol, i am happy to be an imployee
[15:49] <leo-unglaub> don't worry about money...don't worry about customers
[15:49] <knome> yeah, easier to not get caught
[15:49] <knome> yeah, but worry about bosses and all that stuff :)
[15:50] <knome> and as much time for FOSS as you want, whenever you want :)
[15:50] <knome> well, almost ;)
[15:51] <leo-unglaub> well, worrying is the wrong word...i am the technical director here...so technical i can do what i want...but...my boss knows that irc normaly is not work *g*
[15:51] <knome> you should tell him it is essential to your well-being, and without you feeling well, everything will go down
[17:18] <knome> madnick, ?
[17:18] <knome> madnick, want to use a while to fix the plymouth text?
[17:18] <Unit193> Bug 830464?
[17:19] <madnick> knome: I looked at it, there is 2 ways of going at it
[17:19] <knome> Unit193, do you think "progress indicator" == "text" ?
[17:19] <knome> madnick, shoot! :)
[17:19] <madnick> Simply using the latest message, or creating a buffer for all messages and make the label bigger and put that there
[17:20] <madnick> Its only this specific message
[17:20] <madnick> But
[17:20] <madnick> If it changes along the line
[17:20] <Unit193> knome: Ofc! Haven't you used wget? ;)  (No coffee/tea/drink here yet, need it)
[17:20] <knome> madnick, last message is okay, but what's the thing with "keys:" -message? :/
[17:20] <knome> madnick, will that fix it
[17:20] <madnick> It will fix it
[17:21] <knome> actually, would it be possible to have like, say, last three lines of text?
[17:21] <madnick> yup
[17:21] <knome> that would be optimal
[17:21] <madnick> ill just create a buffer for that specific message
[17:21] <knome> thanks
[17:21] <madnick> message-.type
[17:21] <knome> :)
[17:21] <madnick> while we are at it
[17:21] <madnick> is there anything more in that?
[17:21] <knome> yes?
[17:21] <knome> well, i fixed the images
[17:21] <madnick> okay
[17:21] <knome> i mean, i uploaded new images
[17:22] <knome> madnick, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-art/xubuntu-artwork/precise/revision/159 if you want to review
[17:22] <knome> cleaned it up a bit
[17:23] <knome> and apart from the messages, no, i don't think there's much that needs touching
[17:23] <knome> should be fine
[17:24] <madnick> basically, all i need to do is create a var for buffering, and call that Image.Text(var, ... however, im not sure about the line breaks etc
[17:24] <madnick> I will see what happens with the NL code
[17:25] <madnick> maybe limit the buffer to 3
[17:25] <knome> mh
[17:25] <knome> is there an easy way to test the changes?
[17:25] <madnick> yeah ill setup a vm
[17:25] <madnick> and try it there
[17:25] <knome> okay, thanks
[17:25] <knome> do you think it would be doable today?
[17:26] <madnick> maybe, i need to download a new image and setup the vm
[17:26] <knome> sure, no hurry. just wondering
[17:26] <knome> i'm monitoring irc more or less tonight, so if you have anything to ask, just ping me
[17:27] <knome> (or better, just ask and i'll reply when i come back)
[17:27] <madnick> hehe, if you feel i am being slow, please remind me, i have a lot on my mind :)
[17:27] <knome> i can ping you in a few hours if you want
[17:27] <madnick> that be cool
[17:27] <knome> okay
[17:28]  * knome is afk
[20:25] <knome> madnick, ping, and sorry, it's 1 hour late ;)
[20:36] <madnick> :) i got the dev environment setup, but im going to bed, ill be up at like 8 tomorrow, ill try to send the patch before noon
[21:41] <knome> madnick, okay, good night


 But yesterday was weirdly great. How are you?
[08:06] <seb128> I'm good, my back is mostly unblocked :)
[08:09] <Laney> hey marcustomlinson duflu didrocks seb128
[08:10] <Laney> I'm alright thanks! how are you?
[08:10] <marcustomlinson> https://youtu.be/WQEkAbLJ5L8
[08:11]  * Laney gives seb128 some deep heat
[08:11] <seb128> thx
[08:12] <Laney> dunno if they have that over there, must be something similar i guess
[08:19] <seb128> yeah, they do
[08:19] <seb128> but it's ok, today is already better than yesterday :)
[08:29] <oSoMoN> marcustomlinson, makes you think, doesn't it? ;)
[08:29] <marcustomlinson> :D
[08:30] <didrocks> good, busy on tests already
[08:31] <didrocks> with corner zfs/zsys and grub menu ordering (like what dataset was the latest?)
[08:31] <Laney> testing that this food tastes nice, testing that that puppy really is as fluffy as it looks, testing that the sun lounger is nice to lie in
[08:31]  * Laney likes testing
[08:31] <didrocks> ahah
[08:47] <Laney> didrocks: do you have a tag for yaru 19.04.2 lying around by chance?
[08:57] <tkamppeter> Hi, could someone sponsor the systemd SRU upload for bug 1754671? The fix could perhaps also help on the regressions of the n-m SRU.
[09:15] <didrocks> Laney: what do you mean by having a tag?
[09:15] <Laney> for the upload that went into disco
[09:16] <Laney> you did that one, so thought you might have tagged it :-)
[09:16] <didrocks> looking
[09:16] <seb128> xnox, ^ can you help tkamppeter with that systemd SRU?
[09:19] <didrocks> Laney:pushed on correct commit
[09:20] <Laney> merci!
[09:20] <seb128> jamesh, kenvandine, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-calculator/+bug/1797734/comments/6 ... is that normal that the platform does pixbuf queries/cache update/etc still? (on first start)
[09:20] <Laney> ah yay, I branched at the right one
[09:21] <jamesh> seb128: yes.  We don't have a good solution for that
[09:21] <seb128> :-(
[09:21] <jamesh> seb128: for example, look at /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache -- there are absolute paths to the plugins
[09:22] <jamesh> the gnome-platform snap is mounted under $SNAP, which is different for each application
[09:22] <seb128> right :/
[09:23] <seb128> we can't fix that with layouts and always mount to the same location then?
[09:24] <jamesh> that probably is an option
[09:25] <jamesh> and it would have to be layouts: the content interface won't let us mount to locations outside of $SNAP
[09:25] <jamesh> (or a few other locations controlled by the snap)
[09:26] <seb128> right
[09:26] <seb128> jamesh, thx for the reply!
[09:30] <jamesh> it's something that we should be easier to automate with the newer snapcraft extension system
[11:57] <GunnarHj> Hi seb128, do you have time to sponsor the ibus-libpinyin stuff? There are two of them, bug #1829947 and bug #1768166. Proposed uploads in https://launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/+archive/ubuntu/ibus-libpinyin
[11:57] <seb128> GunnarHj, hey, sure
[11:58] <seb128> I will do it in a bit, thx for working on it!
[11:58] <GunnarHj> yw
[12:12] <tkamppeter> xnox, hi
[12:14] <tkamppeter> xnox, did you see seb128's message about the systemd SRU upload for bug 1754671? There is a debdiff for an SRU attached and it seems that the SRU is very important to accompany the already done SRU of network-manager.
[13:01] <seb128> tkamppeter, did you identify that systemd change to fix the regressions reported? or is that just to help moving forward with getting the split vpn dns working?
[13:07] <kenvandine> seb128, jamesh: We should be able to improve that with layouts in the gnome snapcraft extension
[13:07] <seb128> hey kenvandine
[13:18] <tkamppeter> seb128, I have no proof that the systemd fix solves the regressions, but the regressions have a certain similarity with the original problem, so I would like the reporters of the regressions to try the systemd fix.
[13:20] <seb128> tkamppeter, you could get it in a ppa meanwhile?
[13:22] <xnox> Laney:  sil2100: heya, https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-release/britney/+git/britney2-ubuntu/+merge/355544 looks stale, is that being reviewed? is it good? bad?
[13:24] <tkamppeter> seb128, yes, this is also a possibility, and when we get n-m solved, independent whether the regression gets solved by systemd or not, we can do the systemd SRU.
[13:24] <tkamppeter> seb128, I will put systemd on my PPA then.
[13:24] <Laney> xnox: it's not stale
[13:24] <Laney> as it happens I'm looking at it atm
[13:25] <seb128> xnox, hey, did you see that systemd ping? We have problems with the recent network-manager SRU went to update creating issues, see eg https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1829838
[13:26] <seb128> xnox, users have been reporting that openvpn-systemd-resolved is unhappy since the update
[13:26] <seb128> xnox, unsure what's the right way to ask help for foundations though, direct ping or email to Pat/Steve to it on your trello board/with proper resource allocation?
[13:43] <seb128> GunnarHj, that bug got no report so far, I don't think we should care about cosmic at this point, it's neither LTS nor current stable
[13:45] <GunnarHj> seb128: I don't really care much about cosmic; just thought it was needed due to version logic. What do you mean by "got no report"?
[13:45] <seb128> GunnarHj, the bug has no duplicate, if it exists since bionic and wasn't raised before it probably doesn't annoy lot of users
[13:46] <seb128> GunnarHj, SRU team said it's fine for the maintainer to decide to skip a serie while doing SRUs, they prefer to have fixes in all versions but it's not an hard requirement
[13:53] <GunnarHj> seb128: I see. As regards annoying, there are 16712 reported crashes of the most common type:
[13:53] <GunnarHj> https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/cd3fa9b145c79364f535cede0267ffe384b9ced8
[13:54] <GunnarHj> seb128: Getting rid of that seems to be a good idea IMO.
[13:55] <seb128> GunnarHj, what are you talking about? The bug you pinged me about is not a segfault/error, it's just some chars not being inputed after chinese glyphs?
[13:55] <seb128> ah, I see, you listed another issue
[13:55] <GunnarHj> seb128: Right.
[13:55] <seb128> GunnarHj, I don't think the diff in your ppa is likely to address the segfault, is it?
[13:56] <seb128> ah, you did a version update for those series
[13:56] <seb128> I understand now :)
[13:57] <GunnarHj> seb128: Sorry for the confusion. ;)
[13:57] <seb128> no worry/not your fault :)
[13:58] <seb128> GunnarHj, the version update is not going to work with that diff for bionic, the update has quite some code changes so we would to convince the SRU team that a full update is needed and that we have a solid testplan
[13:59] <seb128> GunnarHj, would be best to find the commit that fixed that issue...
[14:03] <GunnarHj> seb128: No solid test plan exists. :( It's about files in ~/.cache/ibus/libpinyin getting corrupted. The error tracker is the best I can point at. No reported 19.04 crashes of the most common type so far.
[14:08] <seb128> GunnarHj, the backtrace has a libpiniyin function, I'm not sure the fix is not in the lib
[14:09] <seb128> GunnarHj, like https://github.com/libpinyin/libpinyin/commit/b708ceef ... that's a call to the function that is in the bt
[14:12] <GunnarHj> seb128: That's why the proposal includes libpinyin too, not just ibus-libpinyin.
[14:15] <seb128> GunnarHj, I feel like we don't know those components well enough to be confident SRUing new versions would have no side effect/regression/bug on any of our desktops... (just my opinion, I'm not stopping you to try to convince the SRU team/find a sponsor)
[14:16] <Trevinho> morning
[14:17] <Laney> moin Trevinho
[14:17] <Trevinho> yey Ianuss
[14:17] <Laney> what's upé
[14:19] <GunnarHj> seb128: Wouldn't uploading to the bionic queue be the simplest way to pass the question to the SRU team? The fact that the base for the proposal is a bit vague is shown very clearly in the bug description.
[14:20] <seb128> hey Trevinho, how are you?
[14:21] <seb128> GunnarHj, it would be better to sort out before uploading, otherwise you just make it the next person problem and they are likely to let it sit in the queue until they decide to reject because they don't know what to do with it
[14:22] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok, I'll ping someone in the SRU team then.
[14:23] <seb128> GunnarHj, thx
[14:24] <GunnarHj> seb128: Thanks for looking at it!
[14:24] <seb128> yw!
[16:23] <GunnarHj> seb128: When you tested the docs videos (bug #1804786), did you use Nouveau or some other driver?
[16:32] <tkamppeter> seb128, I have now uploaded systemd to my PPA and posted on the regression bug reports for their OPs to test the PPA.
[17:04] <Laney> night!
[17:22] <seb128> 'night Laney & desktopers
[17:22] <seb128> GunnarHj, intel, I don't have other configs
[17:22] <seb128> tkamppeter, k, thx, I pinged foundations to see if they can help with the sponsoring/SRU
[17:29] <GunnarHj> seb128: So to a large extent it seems to be a Nouveau issue then, as duflu indicated on the bug report. Plus the 'power
[17:30] <GunnarHj> of the hardware.
[19:30] <oSoMoN> night all


[07:55] <doctormo> paultag: Hey again
[14:08] <paultag> heyya doctormo
[14:08] <paultag> doctormo: did you ever work out that session?
[14:11] <pleia2> virtualization one?
[14:12] <paultag> pleia2: doctormo was working on a Visualization session. I gave him a small chunk and I was wondering if he ever presented it. Or finished it
[14:12] <paultag> Either or, really
[14:12] <pleia2> http://doctormo.wordpress.com/2009/09/02/systems-administration-virtualisation/
[14:12] <paultag> Ah, outstanding
[14:12] <doctormo> paultag: I did teach it, wasn't a very good lesson to be honest
[14:12] <paultag> doctormo: Euch. That's always the worst
[14:13] <doctormo> paultag: If I had the money, I'd personally pay you to finish it for me, but instead my plan is to finish it in the editing process.
[14:13] <paultag> +1
[14:14] <paultag> Community driven always comes out great
[14:15] <doctormo> pleia2: Did you get the question from me about the PXE boot stuff being useful to you?
[14:15] <pleia2> doctormo: yeah, we've done some things like that with our loco team, but I can't remember exactly what we were using
[14:16]  * pleia2 has dropped blog link to loco team
[14:16] <doctormo> pleia2: Would be good to confer
[14:16] <paultag> doctormo: I just read that post. Bravo. I did something similar for a cluster :)
[14:16] <pleia2> yeah, I emailed the main guy involved yesterday
[14:16] <paultag> doctormo: PXE is kickass
[14:17] <doctormo> paultag: You have know how all over the place, I'm impressed
[14:17] <pleia2> the lack of support on really old desktop-class machines was an issue (as you say, many hide it, but a lot don't have it at all)
[14:17] <doctormo> pleia2: We have a FDD PXE booter
[14:17] <paultag> doctormo: I've been hacking with Linux since I was 13. When you have no focus, you tend to learn a little about a lot.
[14:18] <pleia2> doctormo: oh, neat
[14:18] <doctormo> paultag: Sucks to be me, I was stuck with windows until I was 17. I was a master at Visual Basic and Reg editing though :-P
[14:18] <paultag> doctormo: kickass, I bet you loved perl off the bat :)
[14:18] <paultag> Oh wait
[14:18] <doctormo> Of course
[14:18] <paultag> shit, I read that as Regexp
[14:19] <paultag> doctormo: GConf, then :)
[14:19] <doctormo> paultag: Actually I dislike gconf and things like it
[14:19] <paultag> Really?
[14:19] <paultag> doctormo: Is it the way it stores data ( XML ), or the concept of a registry?
[14:20] <doctormo> paultag: I've come to realise that it's important to modualise and use the base destinction effectivly. On POSIX operating systems this is the 'file' and 'directory' memes. Thus configs should be files, data elements should be files, it just should be files.
[14:21] <doctormo> I'm against hiding files from users, I don't think that it's an effective stratedgy. I'm a big fan of XDG and of hitting developpers over the head until they use it.
[14:21] <paultag> doctormo: what say you to data that should be maintained encrypted in the conf file, such as an XMPP login, or AIM Login password?
[14:23] <doctormo> paultag: No passwords should ever be stored in config files, auth details, keys, usernames, passwords and such are not configuration. They should go into the authentication and authorisation sub system
[14:23] <paultag> Very true. I agree doctormo.
[14:24] <paultag> doctormo: The only reason I like gconf, is a centralized, normalized data structure with all of your configuration options present
[14:24] <paultag> ( bonus is it's human readable, and hackable :) )
[14:25] <doctormo> Anyway, since I believe in the mathamatical proof for configuration data structurisation, I believe it's possible to convert any configuration format to any verified structural data format such as xml, and back again.
[14:26] <paultag> doctormo: sure, but in practice you would have a lot of special cases handling config files with different syntax
[14:26] <doctormo> It's not the varifyable nature, the idea of defaults (see XSD default attribute) or structurisation. It's the centralisation that betrays the modualisation of the applications that use it.
[14:27] <paultag> doctormo: I'd like to see the ~/.* files and folders gone. There should be a central ~/.config/ and normalized configuration structure
[14:27] <doctormo> paultag: You would very quickly have a situation that encouraged developers not to develop non standard syntaxes and handlers for edge cases.
[14:27] <doctormo> I agree with ~/.config ~/.cache etc, it's the XDG standard after all.
[14:28] <paultag> I am not up to par on XDG. Let me look it up, hold one.
[14:28] <paultag> on*
[14:28] <doctormo> paultag: But I believe that the verification and base line formatting of these configurations should be held and managed by the deb package. Not by gconf.
[14:30] <paultag> OK.
[14:30] <paultag> This looks sane, and thought out
[14:31] <paultag> I'll have to think it over for a bit doctormo
[14:32] <paultag> doctormo: not sure where I stand
[14:34] <pleia2> doctormo: ah ok, we do the boot floppy thing for PXE-less machines too
[14:34] <doctormo> pleia2: See, nothing too different :-D
[14:34]  * pleia2 nods
[14:35] <doctormo> pleia2: Is your guy in the know online?
[14:35] <pleia2> doctormo: jedijf in #ubuntu-us-pa is one of them, he's at work though so his availability is limited
[14:36] <doctormo> paultag: My other problem with GConf is that you can't really use it on servers or gtk-less deployments, making it quite crap for the kind of infrastructural projects that should be replacing most kinds of data organisation in the coming years.
[14:37] <paultag> doctormo: Yeah. I
[14:38] <paultag> doctormo: Yeah. I'll have to think about what I find logical. Never spent much time on it, I'd rather make an intelligent comment later, rather then a dumb one now
[14:38] <doctormo> paultag: Of course, I'm just blabbing because I'm tired
[14:38] <pleia2> yeah, we bumped into that at work where we deployed a dozen or so ubuntu machines, it was annoying
[14:38] <paultag> doctormo: no no, I appreciate it
[14:38] <pleia2> had to do sneaky work-arounds for things to avoid using gconf so we could deploy flat txt configs
[14:40] <doctormo> pleia2: It's bloody annoying because it should be a simple mattter of fashioning a set of base libraries for accessing standard xml forms and validating them.
[14:41] <doctormo> Plus it's the reason my wallchanger project didn't work for the entire intrepid release, it proper way to update the gnome wallpaper is via gconf, but that requires access to XAuthentication and that got blocked from the crontab after intrepid.
[14:42] <doctormo> So now I have to use a symbolic link and ask the user to select the right background manually.
[14:42] <paultag> Ah, I did the same doctormo, but mine was local userspace
[14:42] <paultag> doctormo: and it was in the autostart for after you start your session
[14:43] <paultag> doctormo: I had a set of 12 photos I took of outside -- all throughout the day. Each hour, it would swap to the one for the current hour
[14:46] <paultag> Alright. I'm off -- Class for the day. See ya'll in a few hours
[14:50] <doctormo> paultag: Have a good day
[15:59] <paultag> Ah. I love college.
[15:59] <paultag> Day's over. Kickass.
[16:03] <pjarnahom> how to configure cannon gp210 pcl 5e printer in ubuntu ultimate
[16:05] <paultag> pjarnahom: Don't spam.
[16:08] <pleia2> pjarnahom: might want to try #ubuntu :)