[21:16] <arraybolt3> aaronprisk[m], Fallen: Ubuntu Advantage used to have a pricing tier for individual server VMs. Ubuntu Pro doesn't have that, what happened to it?
[21:17] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3: I could be wrong, but I believe it just becomes the regular Ubuntu Pro tiers.
[21:18] <Eickmeyer[m]> Server/non-server, doesn't matter for individual use.
[21:25] <aaronprisk[m]> I believe Eickmeyer is correct. For personal use, they're handled the same. The only VM related tier is when you're licensing physical hosts with a presumably large number of VMs.
[21:25] <aaronprisk[m]> I can verify with Pro folks.
[21:44] <leftyfb> aaronprisk[m]: how goes the battle in removing the pro advertisement from apt?
[21:52] <aaronprisk[m]> Hey leftyfb, there are active conversations between our folks and the Community Council on addressing community concerns. An update and FAQ should coming out soon with some more information. Once we know more we can share it with you all.
[21:52] <leftyfb> Oh I really hope the solution isn’t just a FAQ. They need to remove advertisements from apt
[21:55] <leftyfb> the solution to doing a bad thing is to stop doing the bad thing, not answer common questions about or clarify the reasons behind doing the bad thing
[21:57] <aaronprisk[m]> I believe there are some changes and improvements coming with it as well. I don't want to speak to specifics as I don't know all of them just yet.
[21:57] <leftyfb> we can only hope :)
[22:16] <arraybolt3> aaronprisk[m]: If you can verify that, that would be great. I assume that means that VM servers would use Desktop licenses?
[22:19] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3: It would mean there's no differentiation between desktop and server for personal use.
[22:19] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer[m]: I meant for if you're paying for it.
[22:20] <arraybolt3> A user in #ubuntu-server wants to license cloud VMs with Ubuntu Pro but isn't using AWS/GCP/that sort of thing.
[22:20] <arraybolt3> Ubuntu Pro can be purchased through AWS and the like.
[22:20] <arraybolt3> But they're using an "unsupported" cloud hosting provider.
[22:21] <arraybolt3> With UA, there was a specific pricing tier for licensing individual VMs rather than the whole physical server they ran on.
[22:21] <arraybolt3> But Ubuntu Pro no longer has that tier.
[22:21] <arraybolt3> If it merged into "Desktop", then that's easy, but otherwise, how are people in such a situation supposed to license the VMs? Surely they aren't supposed to use the physical server license.
[22:22] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3 (@arraybolt3:libera.chat) : As community supporters, we don't handle pay tiers, nor should we be answering or attempting to answer those questions. They should contact Canonical Sales directly.
[22:22] <arraybolt3> This would also be handy for people who use a VM server that doesn't run Ubuntu but that uses Ubuntu VMs, or for people who don't have enough VMs to justify paying a full $500/yr.
[22:22] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer[m]: That's a valid point.
 "But they're using an "unsupporte..." <- So your question is: "Can I use a personal Pro token for an Ubuntu server VM, and if not, how do I go about licensing those individual server VM's?"
[22:32] <aaronprisk[m]> Correct?
[22:33] <arraybolt3> aaronprisk[m]: True.
[22:33] <arraybolt3> (I assumd that the personal ones were good for server VMs, it's the "how to go about licensing the individual VMs" question I had, for instance if one has more than 5.)
[22:40] <aaronprisk[m]> I was able to get an official answer on this:
[22:40] <aaronprisk[m]> - Yes, you can use a personal token on an Ubuntu Server VM (This applies to desktops, servers, workstations, robots, etc.) As long as you stay under that 5 count limit.
[22:40] <aaronprisk[m]> - For anything beyond that limit or for support options, they can contact the sales team who do still have VM products available.
[22:40] <arraybolt3> Ah, makes sense. Thanks, that will help in the future!
[22:42] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer[m]: I do see your point about "they should contact sales", but IMO, we as the community do have an awful lot of knowledge about how Ubuntu Pro works (and have some good contacts for finding out the bits we don't know, thanks aaronprisk[m]), so if we can give the answer and the person's right there, why not? We can always direct them to Sales if we get really stumped.
[22:43] <arraybolt3> Anyway, /me goes back to grumbling that the archive is b0rked by python3 *again* and then starts debugging KDE
[22:45] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3: I took a peek at your conversation. The minute they mentioned they wanted to pay, then it really becomes a matter of "contact sales". As aaronprisk (@linuxap:matrix.org) has mentioned, there will be an FAQ out soon. Oftentimes, contacting the sales team will give them a faster answer than a volunteer in a chat room.
[22:46] <arraybolt3> Hmm, OK, I guess I can see how that works.
[22:46] <arraybolt3> (Wow, VBox has slaughtered my KDE dev VM. Again.  If only KDE devs liked KVM...
[22:48] <Eickmeyer[m]> aaronprisk[m]: We have cookies, and sometimes pudding.
[22:48] <arraybolt3[m]> But, they don't. I have to use VBox for at least some parts of KDE development.
[22:48] <aaronprisk[m]> That's surprising. Do you know why?
[22:49] <arraybolt3[m]> VBox is Qt-based. All good QEMU frontends (and even QEMU itself) are GTK or GNOME-based.
[22:49] <arraybolt3[m]> Basically because it fits better in the KDE ecosystem they like it more.
[22:49] <arraybolt3[m]> Eickmeyer[m]: Says the VBox user :P
[22:50] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3[m]: Uh... you can use KVM via Vbox, you know.
[22:51] <aaronprisk[m]> I'm going to lose some *buntu points here, but Cockpit is pretty great if you're looking for another option.
[22:51] <arraybolt3[m]> Eickmeyer[m]: If you mean the "KVM paravirtualization" feature, I'm pretty sure they mean that VBox will *mimic* KVM, not that it will use it.
[22:51] <arraybolt3[m]> You can use Hyper-V paravirtualization on Linux too.
[22:51] <Eickmeyer[m]> aaronprisk[m]: I use Cockpit on my server for administration. It's in the archives, easily installable. I wouldn't say that loses *buntu points at all since it brands itself with the Ubuntu logo and everything.
[22:52] <arraybolt3[m]> aaronprisk[m]: Meh. Tried it, hated it. VM console was too laggy.
[22:53] <aaronprisk[m]> Eickmeyer[m]: That's true. I'll retain my points.
[22:53] <aaronprisk[m]> arraybolt3[m]: You could always attempt to build your own hackey KVM management tool like I did.. you'll learn all about the joys of libvirt's janky php library.
[22:54] <arraybolt3[m]> aaronprisk[m]: Believe it or not, I've done that in Bash before :D https://github.com/ArrayBolt3/vm-isotest I use this pretty much daily.
[22:54] <Eickmeyer[m]> aaronprisk (@linuxap:matrix.org) Oh! Completely unrelated: May I direct your attention to this changelog entry: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/livecd-rootfs/2.799
[22:55]  * arraybolt3[m] goes afk, see ya all later o/
[22:57] <aaronprisk[m]> Awesome! How is edubuntu dev coming along?
[22:57] <Eickmeyer[m]> Pretty much just formalities at this point, and it's back.
[22:58] <Eickmeyer[m]> We've got the installer which customizes it for the age group, and a menu administrator which customizes the menu for non-admin accounts.
[22:58] <Eickmeyer[m]> Menu = GNOME application overview
[22:59] <Eickmeyer[m]> Also, uses Alphabetical App Grid by default.
[22:59] <aaronprisk[m]> Eickmeyer[m]: Do you happen to have that code handy anywhere?
[23:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> Two locations for that:
[23:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> https://code.launchpad.net/~edubuntu-dev/+git/edubuntu-installer
[23:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> https://code.launchpad.net/~edubuntu-dev/+git/edubuntu-menu
[23:01] <Eickmeyer[m]> All done in bash script utilizing zenity.
[23:05] <aaronprisk[m]> This is really cool. Nicely done!
[23:06] <Eickmeyer[m]> Thanks!


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[09:06] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:09] <knightwise> hey brobostigon
[09:10] <brobostigon> hi knightwise
[09:11]  * knightwise just ordered a second 25 inch screen
[09:11] <brobostigon> :)
[09:11] <knightwise> since i have a bigger house i'm finally entitled to two displays
[09:12] <brobostigon> :) good goo.
[09:12] <brobostigon> good*
[09:15] <knightwise> instead of getting another machine on my desk i'll just run my vm's and teamviwer sessions fullscreen
[09:17] <brobostigon> cool.
[09:20] <knightwise> I have an Lenovo laptop with a busted casing stashed down in the garage in my server rack acting as a home server
[09:21] <knightwise> turns out teamviewer connections to that machine are lightning fast when done in the lan
[09:21] <knightwise> almost no lag and unity performs great
[09:21] <knightwise> so i'll just use it that way
[09:25] <brobostigon> :)
[12:15] <SuperEngineer> Thought for the day:
[12:15] <SuperEngineer> Most of those who expreience dolphins state that the experience enriches their lives & gives them a feeling well-being.
[12:16] <SuperEngineer> ....So why don't they provide dolphins in hospitals?
[12:16] <zmoylan-pi> nhs cutbacks mean they can't afford the tuna.
[12:16] <SuperEngineer> :D
[12:16] <diddledan> SuperEngineer: perhaps we need a dolphinbank similar to the bloodbank?
[12:18] <SuperEngineer> "We need do do a transfusion but we don't know what dolphin type this patient is"!
[12:18] <zmoylan-pi> new doctors uniform... https://images.halloweencostumes.com/products/17820/1-2/adult-dolphin-costume.jpg
[12:18] <SuperEngineer> to do
[12:19] <SuperEngineer> zmoylan-pi, proof that you can find anything on t'internets
[12:19] <zmoylan-pi> yes but that also means rule 34...
[12:19]  * diddledan looks for doctor-dolphin pron
[12:20] <zmoylan-pi> shouldn't that be prawn? :-P
[12:20] <diddledan> lol
[12:51] <SuperEngineer> It might be fun entering " doctor-dolphin pron" in a search and see if says "did you mean doctor-dolphin prawn"
[12:53] <SuperEngineer> ...& shame on all those trying it!!!
[12:56] <SuperEngineer> For all those without news alerts:  serious gunman & hostage situation currently onging in Framce
[12:56] <SuperEngineer> France
[12:59] <diddledan> :-o
[12:59]  * diddledan fires up news 24
[13:58] <diddledan> https://www.theonion.com/mark-zuckerberg-promises-that-misuse-of-facebook-user-d-1823988784
[14:15] <Azelphur> So, friendly PSA for those of us using Asus routers, upgrade your firmware. Mine just got hit by a driveby attack running a firmware from 2017.
[14:15] <Azelphur> (or at least, most likely)
[14:17] <SuperEngineer> Isn't "just got hit by a driveby attack" street slang for a Google vehicle passing your home?
[14:18] <Azelphur> SuperEngineer: https://securelist.com/threats/drive-by-attack-glossary/
[14:18] <Azelphur> although that is more geared towards HTTP, but the general premise is bots scan the internet looking for vulnerable machines, in this case my router
[14:19] <Azelphur> most likely anyway, my internet went off, logged into the router, default language changed to Chinese, DyDNS setup, SSH server disabled, not sure what else, factory resetted it :)
[14:20] <SuperEngineer> Azelphur, thanks for the link; but really? you really didn't think I knew it's contents already?  Really?
[14:21] <Azelphur> SuperEngineer: haha, sarcasm doesn't carry well over text
[14:22] <SuperEngineer> nor does using haha [he was a WWII propagandarist].  "Ha ha" would be better.
[14:22] <SuperEngineer> NEXT!
[14:23] <diddledan> eep
[17:51] <daftykins> Azelphur: did you flash an update then factory reset again to be safe?
[17:51] <Azelphur> yep
[17:51] <daftykins> i remember hearing about Asus making firmware so bad they were subjected to a third party code review for x years, but i don't know which region that was in or who it was mandated by
[17:52] <daftykins> honestly consumer kit seems so bad, but the only way to do things better is to end up with a 2 or 3+ box design which isn't going to be popular with many folk :D
[17:52] <daftykins> maybe two if you're on cable
[17:55] <diddledan> and change your password!
[17:57] <daftykins> i took apart my 2004 floppy drive last night that i was trying to read those 1984 disks with, gave the dust a good scrub and then IPA'd the heads... after that i started getting file listings and even pulled off this 'Word v2' 94 page document they were after :D
[18:20] <diddledan> I've got an urge
[18:20] <diddledan> I wanna watch hackers. I'm sure that is classed as uncool by kids these days
[18:21] <diddledan> the thing I don't understand, however, is why didn't my mates and I go around town on roller-blades too?
[18:22] <daftykins> or hang out in clubs besting each others game scores
[18:22] <diddledan> thet, also
[18:22] <daftykins> when i watch it i am left with a feeling of wondering why my nerdiness looks far less cool :D
[18:22] <diddledan> or even have clubs with games in them
[18:22] <zmoylan-pi> hackers is a great movie.  mostly for the great soundtrack.  but the best hacker movie is and remians malcolm. also with a fantastic sountrack
[18:23] <daftykins> malcolm o0
[18:23] <diddledan> yes, the hackers soundtrack is epic
[18:23] <diddledan> apparently selling downloadable software is not covered by the sale of goods regulations in the UK: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/03/23/software_good_ruling_court_appeal/
[18:24] <zmoylan-pi> no computers whatsoever but still very much a hacker movie... https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091464/
[18:24] <zmoylan-pi> and you will laugh out loud :-)
[18:26] <daftykins> hrmm, if i have an nginx setup with multiple sites - i remove one from sites-enabled/ because that client has ceased wanting theirs up, why does their domain then redirect to another site on the same host o0
[18:34] <daftykins> ah well i'll just delete their A records too
[19:38] <diddledan> daftykins: I don't know about nginx, but  Apache will route any unexpected hostnames to the "first defined" virtualhost
[19:39] <daftykins> heh weird idea
[19:39] <daftykins> suddenly one company could get redirected to another - gotta hope you don't host for two competitors :D
[19:41] <diddledan> I think it is because virtualhosts were an evolution of HTTP from the original (HTTP/1.1 adds the Host: header) so originally apache could only host a single site. Virtualhosts then were in addition to the single site of old
[19:42] <diddledan> I work around it by defining a virtualhost that doesn't show anything useful and make sure it's the first one loaded
[20:51] <diddledan> hah, I just realised Penn from Penn & Teller is in Hackers
[20:51] <diddledan> I knew for years that I recognised him but couldn't place where from
[20:51] <zmoylan-pi> he's the pfy...
[20:51] <diddledan> yup
[20:52] <daftykins> :)
[20:52] <diddledan> I wonder how he ended up doing that
[20:53] <diddledan> versus being a magical god
[20:53] <daftykins> magic
[20:56] <zmoylan-pi> looks like he was trying to get a movie career going then
[20:57] <diddledan> hah. I found a fake phone number used in a whois record: Tech Phone: +1.5125551212
[20:57] <zmoylan-pi> there's no 512 area code in usa?
[20:58] <diddledan> 555 prefix
[20:58] <zmoylan-pi> ah the 555...
[20:59] <diddledan> I found that by looking up the domain of Loyd Blankenship who gave permission for "Conscience of a Hacker" to be quoted in Hackers (I'm reading the credits)
[20:59] <diddledan> Updated Date: 2018-02-20T23:30:52.00Z Creation Date: 1995-05-30T04:00:00.00Z
[21:00] <zmoylan-pi> now it would have to a page or 3 of the cathederal and the bazaar... :-)
[21:00] <diddledan> I'm guessing that non-random time means that it was registered before the registration datetime was recorded
[21:02] <zmoylan-pi> or the heisenberg compensators in his time machine are past their 1000 year checkup....
[21:18] <diddledan> can you compensate against heisenbugs?
[21:19] <zmoylan-pi> only if you confirm all the schroedingers
[21:20] <diddledan> Has anyone tried compensating shroedingers?
[21:20] <diddledan> ++c
[21:21] <zmoylan-pi> nah, if you start paying schroedingers you need a completely bent 12th dan accountant to handle the temporal accounting
[21:24] <diddledan> go to about 5 minutes: "it's been a few years since we had a new init system" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1v_o7ww43A


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[22:03] <maysara> sing: instead of wasting your time on spaming, why didn't you tell us your problem?!!
[22:04] <sing> Ok, I have a working broadband connection and I want to share it with my android phone.
[22:05] <maysara> laptop?
[22:05] <sing> yeah
[22:05] <sing> ad-hoc didn't work
[22:06] <maysara> http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2014/02/wifi-hotspot-ubuntu-laptop-android/
[22:07] <sing> UPDATE 2: Seems that Ap-hotspot is not working good on Ubuntu 14.04, please try this post using KDE’s network manager.
[22:08] <maysara> Then try that other post
[22:10] <sing> maysara, I feel like I know you.
[22:14] <sing> maysara, I've already tried hosnapd
[22:14] <maysara> Try the KDE network manager method
[22:44] <sing> hey maysara.
[22:44] <maysara> sing: hi
[22:44] <maysara> did it work?
[22:44] <sing> this worked https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Interhostapdnet_sharing
[22:45] <maysara> "There is currently no text in this page."
[22:46] <sing> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Interhostapdnet_sharing
[22:46] <sing> thanks anyway maysara.
[22:46] <maysara> you're welcome
[22:46] <sing> this + create_ap
[22:46] <sing> https://github.com/oblique/create_ap
[22:48] <sing> That's it I'm switching to Gentoo.
[22:50] <sing> Ubuntu is only good if you're a pleb.