Done
[12:02] <NeoGeo64> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[12:02] <NeoGeo64> Package nvidia-glx is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[12:02] <NeoGeo64> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[12:02] <NeoGeo64> is only available from another source
[12:02] <xenonite> hm you have to print the source code to beat it
[12:02] <NeoGeo64> E: Package nvidia-glx has no installation candidate
[12:02] <NeoGeo64> i cant do anything
[12:02] <tsume> where can I get kernel <IP_ADDRESS>?
[12:02] <tsume> i'm trying to see if ther is a binary
[12:02] <tsume> is there
[12:02] <tsume> ?
[12:02] <LinuxJones> NeoGeo64, you need to add the universe and restricted repositories
[12:03] <NeoGeo64> how
[12:03] <conner> tsume: I haven't seen any packages of 2.6.11 yet. The latest is 2.6.10-5.
[12:03] <NeoGeo64> and what are they
[12:03] <nick_m_ubuntu> hi everyone. is there a wiki or some info on changing the kernel in the hoary livecd?
[12:03] <tsume> conner: :(
[12:03] <tsume> conner: will there be a .11 for hoary?
[12:03] <conner> tsume: I hope so. I was looking for it earlier and couldn't find it. I'm running hoary right now.
[12:03] <LinuxJones> NeoGeo64, are you in x64 or x86 ?
[12:04] <NeoGeo64> x86
[12:04] <tsume> conner: I hope so too
[12:05] <LinuxJones> NeoGeo64, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[12:05] <tsume> :( my batteries are dying
[12:05] <tsume> wireless mouse :)
[12:05] <tsume> wireless laptop
[12:05] <tsume> wireless power :)
[12:06] <shmoolik> is there any good burning program for Gnome?
[12:06] <LinuxJones> NeoGeo64, you should make sure you have main restricted & universe enabled
[12:06] <inphlict> What command will let me remove a directory
[12:06] <LinuxJones> shmoolik, graveman
[12:06] <JDigital> Hhow do I tell how many meggerbytes free space I have left?
[12:06] <inphlict> I can't seem to do it with rm ro rmdir
[12:06] <tsume> JDigital: df -h
[12:06] <nick_m_ubuntu> Shaquile, there is built in cd burning.. places->cd/dvd creator
[12:07] <xenonite> inphlict, do a rm -r
[12:07] <shmoolik> LinuxJones, thanks
[12:07] <inphlict> I get
[12:07] <inphlict> rm: cannot remove directory `/media/win_c': Permission denied
[12:07] <nick_m_ubuntu> sorry, shmoolik
[12:07] <inphlict> I unmounted it already
[12:07] <inphlict> and all
[12:07] <xenonite> inphlict, you have to be root
[12:07] <Shaquile> nick_m_ubuntu: Mkay...
[12:07] <LinuxJones> shmoolik, it's very good, there is also gnomebaker which will require a tiny bit of work to get installed
[12:07] <inphlict> how do I get into root, sorry I'm new
[12:07] <xenonite> inphlict, sudo rm -r
[12:08] <inphlict> ah crap
[12:08] <inphlict> keep forgeting sudo lol
[12:08] <inphlict> thnx
[12:08] <xenonite> np
[12:08] <inphlict> thanks worked well
[12:08] <xenonite> no problem ;-)
[12:08] <shmoolik> LinuxJones,  the question is does it worth it ? ("gnomebaker")
[12:09] <TheAngryPenguin> anyone know of a good Wi-Fi access point browser?
[12:09] <LinuxJones> shmoolik, I think you will be very happy with graveman :)
[12:09] <inphlict> can I make directories with spaces in linux?
[12:09] <shmoolik> LinuxJones,  okay man thanks :)
[12:10] <inphlict> does anyone know
[12:10] <inphlict> if I'm allowed to have spaces in directories?
[12:10] <mjr> yes you are
[12:10] <inphlict> k
[12:10] <JDahl> inphlict, yes, but then you need to use quotations, e.g. cd "my dir with spaces"
[12:10] <Blissex> inphlict: but it is not a good idea
[12:10] <inphlict> I see
[12:10] <Blissex> inphlict: using spaces in any file/directory names in UNIX/Linux is not a good idea
[12:11] <xenonite> inphlict, write a \ in front of the space
[12:11] <mjr> a matter of taste really
[12:11] <Blissex> inphlict: use underscores instead of spaces, or dashes.
[12:11] <ian_brasil> anyone working (or know someone working) on translating the unofficial guide into portuguese??
[12:11] <shmoolik> LinuxJones,  yeah !!! graveman is grate !!! just the thingy i was looking for !!! thanks
[12:11] <inphlict> alright I will
[12:11] <LinuxJones> shmoolik, :)
[12:11] <declan> I've never used this x-chat thing before, so I hope it's ok to just throw a question out there.  Is there an easy way to shift my /home directory into a new partition.  Do I simply create the partition, and then copy the contents into it. How do I make sure that the partition is mounted as /home?
[12:11] <Blissex> people who uses spaces in filenames are begging for trouble with shell scripts and so on
[12:11] <eryco> hey people i see ubuntu has made the top downloaded distro @ distrowatch
[12:12] <xenonite> inphlict, i use spaces very often, it is a matter of taste
[12:12] <Blissex> declan: what you say is mostly ok.
[12:12] <jmki> declan: copying is fine.. use cp -a to make sure all the permissions and stuff is fine
[12:12] <LinuxJones> eryco, for good reason :P
[12:12] <declan> Even the hidden files will move?
[12:12] <jmki> declan: and to mount your new partition to /home edit /etc/fstab
[12:12] <mjr> Blissex, only if they are into buggy scripting
[12:12] <shmoolik> i want to ask anouther small thingy :) is there any download program like FlashGet ?
[12:12] <eryco> am now on a redhat box and an ubuntu cd ready for install so how difficult is the install
[12:13] <Blissex> mjr: there are zillions of buggy scripts unfortunately...
[12:13] <jmki> declan: for example if your partition is /dev/hdb1 then add line like: /dev/hdb1   /home    ext3  defaults 0 0
[12:13] <xenonite> eryco, do you want to preserve your dat?
[12:13] <xenonite> a
[12:13] <jmki> declan: with ext3 being what ever is the partitions filesystem
[12:13] <declan> It's strange that the Warty default didn't give you a separate /home partition.  What is the reasoning behind that, does anyone know?
[12:13] <eryco> my dat?
[12:13] <Blissex> mjr: it is just begging for trouble and complications... Of course one can make it work, it is just not worth the additional trouble,
[12:13] <mjr> Blissex, good for me none of them have caused trouble on my home system, then
[12:14] <jmki> declan: why should it give? normal desktop users don't get much out of separate /home directory
[12:14] <Blissex> mjr: then _you_ explain to n00bs how to use '-print0' and '-0' on 'find'/'xargs' or whatever...
[12:14] <usual> what version of fontconfig is borked in hoary?
[12:14] <jmki> declan: and powerusers know howto change the partitioning themselves
[12:14] <mjr> declan, extraneous partitions on a desktop system just increase complexity and decrease flexibility
[12:14] <declan> It's just handier if you upgrade from scratch.  Is it not?
[12:14] <inphlict> How do I get my mounts to appear on my desktop?
[12:14] <eryco> xenonite: what is my dat? damn acronymns
[12:14] <inphlict> I made 2
[12:14] <inphlict> but only 1 appears?
[12:14] <jmki> declan: well, that's true
[12:15] <declan> I now have hoary, but when it is released properly it might be nice to reinstall from there.
[12:15] <inphlict> Does anyone know?
[12:15] <inphlict> I made 2 mounts in media of my windows drives
[12:15] <inphlict> and only 1 appears on desktop
[12:15] <xenonite> sorry for the type, eryco
[12:15] <xenonite> data
[12:16] <inphlict> Does anyone know?
[12:17] <inphlict> It must be something minor
[12:17] <inphlict> I can't get one of the mounts to appear on desktop
[12:17] <^thehatsrule^> nice this font is cool
[12:17] <inphlict> also how can I rename files on desktop
[12:18] <xenonite> ^thehatsrule^, which font?
[12:18] <inphlict> yeah which font are u using?
[12:19] <^thehatsrule^> lol.. just looks funny
[12:19] <inphlict> the stable release runs much better
[12:19] <declan> Right, thanks for your help peoples.  Good luck!
[12:19] <^thehatsrule^> OCR extended
[12:19] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[12:20] <ian_brasil> cool..we get on with the translation ...anyone interested in helping so to #ubuntu-br
[12:20] <SeeleyUSMC> Let me get this right...Ubuntu has support for wireless cards?  So my Atheros abg card in my laptop should work fine from the get-go?
[12:21] <f00fbug> SeeleyUSMC, perhaps
[12:21] <f00fbug> if ! there is always ndiswrapper
[12:21] <LinuxJones> SeeleyUSMC, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[12:22] <mjr> SeeleyUSMC, atheros are supported with the restricted modules packages
[12:22] <mjr> (perhaps not on all architectures, I don't know)
[12:26] <inphlict> hmm
[12:27] <inphlict> Is there any themes for text colors you could download for xchat
[12:29] <raydogg_> where are the names of printer devices stored so i can share it via samba ?
[12:29] <djst> Jesterace, LinuxJones: ok, i'm back. i got nvidia to run again, and here's what i did: installed linux-image-2.6.10-5-686-smp and linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-686-smp, THEN ran nvidia-glx-setup enable
[12:30] <djst> appearantly, nvidia kernel doesn't work with just any linux image
[12:30] <LinuxJones> djst, great :)
[12:30] <djst> from the description of the restricted packages: "Non-free Linux 2.6.10 modules on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV SMP
[12:30] <djst> This package provides restricted modules for Linux version 2.6.10 on
[12:30] <djst> Pentium Pro/Celeron/Pentium II/Pentium III/Pentium IV with SMP support."
[12:30] <Ephemeral> how do i get KUBUNTU?
[12:31] <djst> "Currently the following modules are included: [...]  nvidia [...]  These modules are "restricted" because they are not available under a completely Free licence."
[12:31] <Quest-Master> Ephermal: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:31] <Quest-Master> Ephermal: You need Hoary though
[12:31] <Ephemeral> ah
[12:31] <Ephemeral> whats Hoary?
[12:31] <djst> Jesterace: so you don't need the cd, you just need the "restricted" package for your kernelm which doesn't exist for all kernel images
[12:31] <Ephemeral> testing?
[12:31] <Quest-Master> The next version of Hoary
[12:31] <Quest-Master> It's at Preview Release
[12:31] <Quest-Master> I am using it right now
[12:31] <declan_> He means the next version of Ubuntu, I think
[12:31] <Ephemeral> Quest, how do i find out what ive got?
[12:32] <Quest-Master> It's just as stable as Warty for me.
[12:32] <Quest-Master> declan_: My bad, yes.
[12:32] <djst> Jesterace, LinuxJones: thanks both for your help! i now understand this a bit better, i think
[12:32] <Quest-Master> Ephermal: You most likely have Warty
[12:32] <dodger> for me, too
[12:32] <LinuxJones> Ephemeral, cat /etc/issue
[12:32] <Ephemeral> david@ubuntu:~ $ cat /etc/issue
[12:32] <Ephemeral> Ubuntu 4.10 "Warty Warthog" \n \l
[12:33] <Ephemeral> hmm, how do i get Hoary?
[12:33] <Ephemeral> ive got universe added
[12:33] <Ephemeral> if that helps?
[12:33] <thenuke> Ephemeral: you should about always check the wiki for help first :)
[12:33] <thenuke> and then ask irc
[12:33] <LinuxJones> djst, :)
[12:33] <davix> how can i kill hw:0 (creating alsa driver ... hw:0|hw:0|1024|2|48000|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit the playback device "hw:0" is already in use. Please stop the application using it and run JACK again)
[12:34] <dodger> you have to make a dist upgrade. i guess you'll find some info in the wiki
[12:34] <declan_> I went to synaptic, repositories, changed the word "warty" for "hoary", then chose Smart Upgade, and waited for an age.
[12:34] <declan_> It worked a dream
[12:34] <BigIslandVegan> Any body know to access bluetooth admin / setup stuff on ubuntu ppc?
[12:34] <BigIslandVegan> hoary
[12:34] <Ephemeral> hmm looks like all i do is change the repositories?
[12:34] <ian> using a fresh 4.10 install on a thinkpad here and the right alt key shows up as a special key "Alt_R" in Keyboard Shortcuts preferences dialog.  so you can't do Alt-A because hitting Alt sets it to "Alt_R".  It also screws up desktop switching using Ctrl-Alt-arrows.  (All of this applies only to the right alt key, the left one works fine)
[12:34] <LinuxJones> Ephemeral, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[12:35] <declan_> That's what I did.  Change all the "warty" for "hoary" and upgrade.  It takes time, though
[12:35] <dodger> that's how i did it, too. works like a charm.
[12:35] <ian> declan_: how long?
[12:35] <dodger> about 1.5 hrs.
[12:36] <shmoolik> LinuxJones,  i must say that gnomebaker is much better then graveman .... i had some problems with graveman...
[12:36] <declan_> Something like that.
[12:37] <declan_> I did the upgrade to see if I could get the sound to work.  It did.  If there's no reason to upgrade, then why risk it.  But it solved my sound problem, so it was worth it.
[12:37] <Ephemeral> LinuxJones, im confused, it says Hoary has been released
[12:37] <Ephemeral> so why didnt Warty auto upgrade to Hoary?
[12:38] <Ephemeral> ah my mistake
[12:38] <inc> sup channel
[12:38] <Ephemeral> NOT released
[12:38] <Ephemeral> :S
[12:38] <ian> Ephemeral: some words are extra-important :)
[12:38] <Ephemeral> hehe
[12:38] <Ephemeral> im tired :/
[12:38] <[FiDO] > has anyone tried to get lirc working with their tv card remotes
[12:39] <davix> how can i kill hw:0 (creating alsa driver ... hw:0|hw:0|1024|2|48000|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit the playback device "hw:0" is already in use. Please stop the application using it and run JACK again)
[12:39] <LinuxJones> Ephemeral, it's not officialy released till April 5th or 6th it's a Preview Release
[12:39] <Ephemeral> ian is it safe to do a smart upgrade,ive changed all sources to Hoary
[12:39] <inc> any familiar with tape drives?
[12:39] <Ephemeral> ?
[12:39] <^thehatsrule^> ooo tape drives
[12:39] <LinuxJones> Ephemeral, yes use smart for the upgrade
[12:39] <^thehatsrule^> for win95, yes :P
[12:39] <inc> ^thehatsrule^: lol winows
[12:40] <inc> more evil inside
[12:40] <inc> i ran this tar cvf /dev/hdd /home
[12:40] <LinuxJones> Ephemeral, by clicking smart it's like doing apt-get dist-upgrade, It automatically upgrades you to Hoary and downloads any additional packages required by the upgrade
[12:41] <inc> and get this tar: /dev/hdd: Wrote only 8192 of 10240 bytes
[12:41] <inc> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[12:41] <Ephemeral> Ok thanks
[12:41] <Ephemeral> Im running the 64-bit distro, looks like the original CD i used to nstall was ancient, hopefully i'll get a new ISO on 5th/6th
[12:41] <Ephemeral> the Hoary 64
[12:42] <HrdwrBoB> Ephemeral: warty is still the current stable release
[12:42] <LinuxJones> Ephemeral, you will be upgraded to more recent packages long before the cd arrives :)
[12:42] <Ephemeral> ah
[12:43] <^thehatsrule^> how long is that long?
[12:43] <^thehatsrule^> a week? :/
[12:44] <Ephemeral> out of interest is there any area for users to suggest packages?
[12:44] <LinuxJones> ^thehatsrule^, Hoary get's released early April the cd's will probably go out within a few weeks-a month past that
[12:44] <Ephemeral> to be included on the main CD
[12:44] <drspin> anyond used the loopback method for writing to NTFS partitions????????
[12:44] <^thehatsrule^> ah guess thats alright
[12:44] <LinuxJones> Ephemeral, you can request packages but the 700 meg cd limit is getting close to full :)
[12:45] <chickenman> i better be going to bed it's almost midnight :P see you later people
[12:45] <^thehatsrule^> im in no hurry to upgrade
[12:45] <Ephemeral> the one i'd suggest is FLAC decoder/plugin by default...
[12:45] <Ephemeral> very minor thing though
[12:46] <Ephemeral> the only thing i cant do in Ubuntu is 3d acceleration, which is ATIs fault
[12:46] <Ephemeral> :@
[12:46] <Ephemeral> i need an Nvidia card
[12:46] <^thehatsrule^> which card?
[12:46] <Ephemeral> 9800Pro
[12:46] <^thehatsrule^> oo nice!
[12:47] <^thehatsrule^> and what did you try?
[12:47] <LinuxJones> Ephemeral, that card is supported in Hoary I think
[12:47] <Ephemeral> i cant remember what version i tried but i gave up
[12:47] <Ephemeral> i heard the performance was awful anyway
[12:47] <Ephemeral> you need an Nvidia card to play games
[12:47] <^thehatsrule^> no... if i could get it working on old cards on different linuxes..
[12:48] <^thehatsrule^> then it should be the same for ubuntu no?
[12:48] <LinuxJones> ATI have great hardware but their drivers have always sucked
[12:48] <Ephemeral> im using the 64bit distro as well though
[12:48] <Ephemeral> so i would need 64 bit ATI drivers?
[12:48] <LinuxJones> ohh
[12:48] <^thehatsrule^> nah, the catalyst drivers rocked for radeons
[12:49] <tsaphah> so.. I've been hearing a lot about ubuntu lately..how is it for exisiting packages/ package control?
[12:49] <ells> LinuxJones,  agree, ATI good company bad drivers
[12:49] <LinuxJones> ells, yeah
[12:49] <Somazx> I'm finding two installs of ubuntu won't allow Zend Studio to do sftp to them when I can ssh in just fine using the same account info. My guess is some option in the config file is preventing Zend from loggin in. Any gueses as to what that would be?
[12:49] <ells> I use to use an ATI Rage 128. always had issues
[12:50] <LinuxJones> ells, I msut have applied for 25 jobs with them neve even got a phone call ;P
[12:50] <LinuxJones> *never
[12:50] <Ephemeral> best distro out there tsaphah, this coming from a newish user... ive tried a lot, and only Ubuntu and Mandrake gave me lasting immpressions
[12:50] <^thehatsrule^> lol, i have ati rage pro turbo's
[12:50] <ells> LinuxJones, figures
[12:50] <^thehatsrule^> its fine for me
[12:50] <drspin> funny -- I got a call from intel this morning -- and I just started a new job at 2wire http://www.2wire.com
[12:50] <ells> thehatsrule: maybe they are better. have not been impressed with them in windows or linux, for me
[12:51] <LinuxJones> tsaphah, Ubuntu is built on Debian Unstable so packages are very recent and package management is awesome with apt
[12:51] <^thehatsrule^> hm... i got 3 of these similar cards, all 8mb agp 2x
[12:51] <^thehatsrule^> dont use them much tho, anymore
[12:52] <tsaphah> nods, is it more stable than debian unstable?    Anyone have any ideas?
[12:55] <tsaphah> LinuxJones: Well, bandwidth is cheap.  I'll give it a try.  I've been wanting something that is clean, fast, "just works", etc.  You know that "perfect" system that doesn't exist ;)
[12:55] <Ephemeral> btw General observation, everytime i upgrade my Ubuntu.. it annihilates my Grub Menu.lst... anyway of stopping this?
[12:56] <LinuxJones> tsaphah, what are you running now ?
[12:56] <memcmeme> hello
[12:56] <RUF> I wanna know anybody
[12:57] <treke> Ephemeral: You need to make your changes a bit differently
[12:57] <Ephemeral> hmm?
[12:57] <netmonk> hello! is there a program that could scale a number of images lets say from 48x48 to 24x24?
[12:57] <tsaphah> Right now only XP.  Last linux distro I had was Suse 9.2 Pro and before that FreeBSD.  I liked FreeBSD the best, just was as intuitive as most linux distros
[12:57] <treke> Ephemeral: the packages regenerate the menu.list files based on the template information commented out at the top of the file
[12:58] <tsaphah> LinuxJones: I played wiht mandrake back in the early 9.x days. Redhat back at 6, Gentoo, Slackware, Debian.  Made the rounds you could say.
[12:58] <LinuxJones> netmonk, you can do it form the command line I know but as for gui I am not sure. I am sure that functionality is available in some app.
[12:59] <netmonk> linuxboy, where can I check for this command. forget the gui ;)
[12:59] <treke> Ephemeral: so any changes you make need to be outside the ### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST and ### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST block
[12:59] <eurojovi> Ubuntu 5.04...got xine & codecs using ubuntuguide.org.  Xine plays most files....but some ASF/WMV files' audio is messed up.  Anyone have any ideas?
[12:59] <netmonk> LinuxJones, where can I check for this command. forget the gui ;)
[01:00] <LinuxJones> tsaphah, well as for rpm based distros like Mandrake/Redhat/SuSe Ubuntu is far snappier. Gentoo and Slack are about on par ofr usability. It doesn't come with all of the Graphical Configuratuion stuff that mdk/rh or suse have.
[01:00] <LinuxJones> netmonk, you would have to search google it was like 3 years ago I needed to do it and can't remember :(
[01:00] <Ephemeral> treke: ?
[01:01] <Ephemeral> treke: my normal entries start after ## End Default Options ##
[01:01] <tsaphah> LinuxJones: That's alright. As long as there are decent docs' like with Freebsd. I'm not scared of the terminal.
[01:01] <treke> Ephemeral: regarding menu.lst regnerating
[01:01] <Ephemeral> treke: thats the bit i'll lose
[01:01] <declan_> Eurojovi reminded me: depending on whether I use Totem, or Mplayer, or Kaffeine, I get different results.  None are completely satisfactory.  Is the fact that I'm getting a halting playback on DVDs fixable? It seems as though I was getting the clearest picture with mplayer, is that possible?
[01:02] <treke> Ephemeral: right, that block gets rewritten every time
[01:02] <HrdwrBoB> declan_: there is also totem-xine and totem-gstreamer
[01:02] <treke> Ephemeral: if you look farther up and farther down there are other block markers
[01:02] <LinuxJones> tsaphah, you will have no problems at all with Ubuntu, it does have it's own way of doing certain things. www.ubuntuguide.org is a great resource for common things :)
[01:02] <Ephemeral> treke: theres nothing below that
[01:02] <declan_> HrdwrBob: will they offer better performance?
[01:02] <Ephemeral> treke: some comments above
[01:03] <treke> Ephemeral: search the file for "AUTOMAGIC"
[01:03] <Quest-Master> eurojovi: Tried VLC?
[01:03] <ells> LinuxJones, I download the hoary preview and did a dry run with it. It is gonna work on my desktop that has debian on it. I guess for whatever reason, warty did not work with my desktop
[01:03] <eurojovi> ummm...guess not.  What's VLC?
[01:03] <ells> LinuxJones, I am gonna back my data up
[01:03] <Quest-Master> eurojovi: apt-cache for it and then install. :D
[01:04] <odie5533> www.videolan.org
[01:04] <LinuxJones> ells, great, I guess the devs are working their butts off :)
[01:04] <geneo93> i see fontcofig was fixed intodays updates
[01:04] <sirukin> hmm
[01:04] <tsaphah> LinuxJones: K, I'll take a look there. Thanks
[01:04] <gfxstyler> MUAHAHAHAHAHAA
[01:04] <Ephemeral> trek: ok, i see the first use of that word
[01:04] <LinuxJones> tsaphah, have fun :)
[01:04] <eurojovi> mk
[01:04] <Ephemeral> trek: # Put static boot stanzas before and/or after AUTOMAGIC KERNEL LIST
[01:04] <gfxstyler> WTF :D
[01:04] <gfxstyler> i love u guys
[01:04] <gfxstyler> i love u all :D
[01:04] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[01:04] <treke> Ephemeral: do you see the commented line that says ### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST ?
[01:04] <LinuxJones> gfxstyler, lol
[01:04] <gfxstyler> 3d acceleration is finally working
[01:04] <tsaphah> I will. Oh, can you point me to a resource that talks about the diff's between Ubuntu and other deb based distro's?
[01:04] <HrdwrBoB> declan_: totem-xine generally works best currently, afaik
[01:05] <ells> LInuxJones, I like ubuntu way better than debian
[01:05] <Ephemeral> Yes
[01:05] <odie5533> Who maintains the packages in the universe and multiverse?
[01:05] <declan_> I'll try it then.  Thanks.
[01:05] <HrdwrBoB> odie5533: masters of the universe
[01:05] <gfxstyler> omg i cannot believe it the 3d really works o_O
[01:05] <treke> Ephemeral: above that line you should be able to make changes and they wont be overwritten
[01:05] <HrdwrBoB> ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTU
[01:06] <treke> Ephemeral: then the last line in the file should say ### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST. You can write to the file after that line
[01:06] <Ephemeral> treke: ok currently that space is blank
[01:06] <memcmeme> Why Doesn't windows allow you to use the KDE desktop
[01:06] <memcmeme> ?
[01:06] <Ephemeral> treke: yes thats right
[01:06] <icebalm> memcmeme: you're joking right?
[01:06] <memcmeme> This is about six billion times more efficient than XP's or even Aqua
[01:06] <memcmeme> I am new to Ubuntu
[01:06] <Quest-Master> memcmeme: Windows isn't open source. :P
[01:06] <memcmeme> and I am amazed at this dektop
[01:06] <mitch__> memcmeme: actually, this is possible
[01:06] <LinuxJones> tsaphah, well the ubuntulinux.org has some stuff. Basically Ubuntu has regular release cycles (6 months), 18 month support per release, next-day release of Gnome/KDE and great irc channel :D
[01:06] <treke> Ephemeral: Is that last line missing? Or is writing to the file outside of it still being overwritten?
[01:06] <icebalm> memcmeme: hrmm, default ubuntu is gnome
[01:06] <Quest-Master> Yeag
[01:07] <Quest-Master> *Yeah
[01:07] <memcmeme> I am using kubuntu desktop
[01:07] <memcmeme> I like it better
[01:07] <Quest-Master> They have KDE built with Cygwin for Windows
[01:07] <Quest-Master> It's very buggy though
[01:07] <icebalm> memcmeme: ahh I see
[01:07] <Quest-Master> Slow as well
[01:07] <memcmeme> its great
[01:07] <Pawnomatic> Does anyone know why i would get two errors after Gnome starts....? One that is untitled saying "You must be the superuser (root) to configure GDM." (ok)......... and the other titled "Error" saying "Missing command to run." (close)....any help would be great because i am fairly new at this
[01:07] <Ephemeral> treke: i wont know 'til the upgrade to Hoary tries to overwrite the file
[01:07] <HrdwrBoB> and entirely pointless
[01:07] <Ephemeral> treke: still downloading updates
[01:07] <memcmeme> I can't get over how many packages there are for Linux
[01:07] <tsaphah> LinuxJones: *smiles* alright. thanks again for your time.
[01:07] <treke> Ephemeral:  you can simulate it by running /sbin/update-grub
[01:07] <lunitik> Quest-Master: with Qt/win32 being GPL now... its just not smart to use Cygwin for KDE apps on Windows any more imo
[01:08] <BigIslandVegan> Any bluetooth specialists?
[01:08] <Quest-Master> Qt for Win32 is GPL now?
[01:08] <HillTop> memcmeme: There is talk of porting KDE to Windows, as an appliication I suppose.
[01:08] <Ephemeral> treke: its just 4 lines i need to add or so
[01:08] <Quest-Master> When'd that happen?
[01:08] <lunitik> Quest-Master: yes... like a month ago
[01:08] <Quest-Master> I'm behind.
[01:08] <Quest-Master> :P
[01:08] <HrdwrBoB> if you want to run KDE... why not just run linux
[01:08] <memcmeme> I think you ought to be able to totally replace the windows XP WM with KDE
[01:08] <Ephemeral> treke: so i might leave it, and edit it manualy after upgrade
[01:08] <memcmeme> that would be better
[01:08] <treke> did they ever release QT3?
[01:08] <Ephemeral> treke: as usual...
[01:08] <memcmeme> but I don't think it will effect me
[01:08] <treke> I thought it was just qt4 that would be gpl on windows
[01:08] <lunitik> treke: umm... yes
[01:09] <memcmeme> I don't forsee using Windows again on my home desktop
[01:09] <rvalles> hi
[01:09] <memcmeme> this is just so much more efficient
[01:09] <rvalles> let's suppose I have gcc 3.3.x and gcc 3.4.x installed
[01:09] <rvalles> how do I switch between them, on ubuntu?
[01:09] <eurojovi> Quest-Master:  VLC worked! Thanks!
[01:09] <LinuxJones> rvalles, CC=gcc3.x I think
[01:09] <^thehatsrule^> when you compile, you can specify
[01:10] <lunitik> HrdwrBoB: There is rumors they are gonna port entire KDE to Windows so you can use it instead of explorer.exe ... would allow those that use Windows for games to use KDE and not reboot...
[01:10] <icebalm> rvalles: the higher version one will probably be gcc, the other probably gcc33
[01:10] <mitch__> memcmeme:  you should try litestep for windows. :)
[01:10] <Quest-Master> eurojovi: No problem. :)
[01:10] <^thehatsrule^> heh litestep's alright
[01:10] <rvalles> icebalm: problem is that it isn't :O
[01:10] <^thehatsrule^> nothings like fluxbox or the like
[01:10] <mitch__> :)
[01:10] <icebalm> rvalles: ok so what does gcc -v say?
[01:10] <geneo93> rvalles:  remove the older one then
[01:10] <rvalles> icebalm: in gentoo, there's a gcc-config thing which can be used to repoint all gcc commands to the prefered version, of those installed...
[01:11] <rvalles> geneo93: Ok, I can do that, but I thought it would be nice to keep both
[01:11] <icebalm> rvalles: yeah well ubuntu is a binary distrib, install packages
[01:11] <rvalles> geneo93: 3.3.x builds far more stuff than 3.4...
[01:11] <geneo93> true
[01:12] <xenonite> gn8
[01:18] <MeHere> hi gues
[01:18] <MeHere> guys*
[01:18] <LinuxJones> MeHere, hi
[01:18] <MeHere> umm I'm a bit new to linux
[01:18] <geneo93> Starting Azureus...
[01:18] <MeHere> i installed both gnome and kde
[01:18] <geneo93> Java exec found in PATH. Verifying...
[01:18] <geneo93> OOPS, you don't seem to have a valid JRE [java = gij]
[01:18] <geneo93> You need to upgrade to JRE 1.4.x or newer from http://java.sun.com
[01:18] <geneo93> Java exec found in  /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/bin/
[01:18] <geneo93> OOPS, you don't seem to have a valid JRE  [/usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/bin/java =Error]
[01:18] <geneo93> You need to upgrade to JRE 1.4.x or newer from http://java.sun.com
[01:18] <MeHere> but can't bring kde up
[01:18] <MeHere> what should i do
[01:18] <geneo93> any ideas
[01:19] <LinuxJones> MeHere, it installed ok ?
[01:19] <MeHere> yeah
[01:19] <MeHere> everything installed
[01:19] <tyler> Hola peeps. ANyone on Hoary?
[01:19] <MeHere> i think i have to bring it up at first before coming into gnome right
[01:19] <geneo93> me is
[01:19] <shmoolik> yeah
[01:19] <LinuxJones> MeHere, iok in the gdm login screen (where you type you username/password0 under session select kde
[01:20] <tyler> gene, anyprops with mp3 playback and the mozilla mplayer pug in
[01:20] <MeHere> it doesn't show any session
[01:20] <rvalles> well
[01:20] <rvalles> after removing gcc
[01:20] <rvalles> (while keeping gcc-3.4)
[01:20] <geneo93> no
[01:20] <MeHere> it only user name and then password
[01:20] <MeHere> no session comes up
[01:20] <rvalles> gcc --versions now throws a nice-nice "command not found"
[01:20] <MeHere> i had suse linux before
[01:20] <LinuxJones> MeHere, sudo apt-get update && apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[01:20] <MeHere> that had it
[01:20] <rvalles> horror!
[01:20] <IRCFrEAK> ...
[01:21] <IRCFrEAK> im an ircfreak it seems
[01:21] <LinuxJones> MeHere, sorry kubuntu-desktop
[01:21] <IRCFrEAK> interesting
[01:21] <rvalles> I want my gcc --version to work and return "3.4.3", the version I want to use
[01:21] <rvalles> is that even possible? :(
[01:21] <geneo93> rvalles:  did you specify
[01:21] <LinuxJones> rvalles, yeah gimme a sec
[01:22] <MeHere> ok it's says this
[01:22] <MeHere> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Packages
[01:22] <MeHere> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Release
[01:22] <MeHere> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/restricted Packages
[01:22] <MeHere> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/restricted Release
[01:22] <MeHere> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Sources
[01:22] <MeHere> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Release
[01:23] <MeHere> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/restricted Sources
[01:23] <MeHere> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/main Packages
[01:23] <MeHere> Get:1 http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/main Release [102B]
[01:23] <MeHere> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/restricted Packages
[01:23] <MeHere> Get:2 http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/restricted Release [108B]
[01:23] <MeHere> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/main Sources
[01:23] <MeHere> Get:3 http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/main Release [104B]
[01:23] <MeHere> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/restricted Sources
[01:23] <MeHere> Get:4 http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/restricted Release [110B]
[01:23] <shmoolik> ?
[01:23] <MeHere> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/restricted Release
[01:23] <MeHere> Fetched 424B in 3s (126B/s)
[01:23] <MeHere> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[01:23] <MeHere> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[01:23] <MeHere> why does it say so?
[01:23] <MeHere> Jones?
[01:24] <geneo93> MeHere did you use sudo
[01:24] <shmoolik> dude y have y flooded?
[01:24] <MeHere> yes
[01:24] <MeHere> i even entered my password
[01:25] <geneo93> MeHere:  are you trying to update
[01:25] <MeHere> yeah
[01:25] <LinuxJones> rvalles, export CC=gcc32 as an example
[01:26] <MeHere> i'm trying to get kde to work
[01:26] <tyler> Mm. I should reinstall the codecs or something'
[01:26] <geneo93> ok do this first sudo apt-get -f install
[01:26] <MeHere> i don't get any sessions at the login time
[01:26] <e-motion> does anyone have an idea, when an install hangs at the beginning. acpi=off helps a bit , but still hangs after a while
[01:26] <helio1> Does anyone currently have their Ubuntu system set up to print via a Windows machine?  I'm having trouble finding one of it's dependancies to build it, specifically lib++dfb I think
[01:34] <LinuxJones> girls,  please leave !!
[01:34] <suifur> girls: once is enough ya fucktard
[01:34] <dabi> farruinn: i have language-pack-fi, language-pack-fi-base, language-support-fi
[01:35] <MeHere> ok still doesn't give me any sessions
[01:35] <girls> hi
[01:35] <girls> ihih
[01:35] <girls> hi
[01:35] <girls> hih
[01:35] <girls> hi
[01:35] <girls> hi
[01:35] <girls> hi
[01:35] <girls> hi
[01:35] <girls> hi
[01:35] <girls> hi
[01:35] <LinuxJones> MeHere, I would join #kubuntu and ask if others have the same problem
[01:35] <girls> hi
[01:35] <icebalm> girls: what the hell is your problem?
[01:35] <girls> hi
[01:35] <MeHere> girls: please stop saying hi
[01:35] <girls> hi
[01:35] <Dakko> No kidding
[01:35] <girls> hi
[01:35] <dabi> farruinn: i installed ubuntu (hoary) in finnish and worked.. but now after updating it changed back to english
[01:35] <LinuxJones> troll
[01:35] <girls> hi
[01:35] <suifur> girls: shut the fuckin hell up and go the fuck away
[01:35] <helio1> moderators can ban people; please keep the tone polite
[01:35] <girls> hi
[01:36] <MeHere> ok
[01:36] <girls> hi
[01:36] <MeHere> thanks
[01:36] <girls> hih
[01:36] <gratuit> ah, the simple joy of /ignore
[01:36] <Dakko> Who can ban her? lol
[01:36] <girls> ih
[01:36] <girls> bye
[01:36] <rvalles> LinuxJones: ok
[01:36] <suifur> gah fine
[01:36] <Dakko> That was odd.
[01:36] <farruinn> dabi: what about language-pack-fi
[01:36] <rvalles> LinuxJones: so the idea is that gcc-3.3 and gcc-3.4 are the gccs I have installed
[01:36] <dabi> farruinn: installed
[01:36] <rvalles> LinuxJones: and the "gcc" package itself is a "wrapper" or something
[01:36] <medwards_> Is there a boot parameter I can use to modprobe ext3 before casper runs?
[01:37] <dabi> farruinn: i also tried reinstalling these..
[01:37] <rvalles> LinuxJones: but... how do I use the wrapper?
[01:37] <rvalles> LinuxJones: I guess it honors "CC"
[01:37] <ephemeral> woah, i just smoked my Warty, trying to get to Hoary
[01:37] <rvalles> LinuxJones: but isn't there a command or something to handle all that?
[01:37] <LinuxJones> mdz, jdub, you guys around ??
[01:38] <mdz> LinuxJones: ?
[01:38] <LinuxJones> rvalles, yeah CC is the variable that calls the correct gcc version
[01:38] <MeHere> i couldn't find a channel named #kubuntu
[01:38] <MeHere> where is it
[01:38] <mdz> MeHere: it's there, /join #kubuntu
[01:38] <geneo93> ephemeral:  can you finish update from terminal
[01:38] <LinuxJones> mdz, sorry there was a spamming troll here a minute ago I was hoping you would kick :(
[01:39] <MeHere> it's empty
[01:39] <ephemeral> what?
[01:39] <mdz> MeHere: there are 42 people there including me
[01:39] <geneo93> MeHere:  /joinkubuntu
[01:39] <ephemeral> geneo, i logged in and and everything was blank, except there was a terminal in the top left
[01:39] <geneo93> space in there
[01:39] <rvalles> LinuxJones: ok, how do I set it system-wide so that it resist boots and all
[01:39] <rvalles> LinuxJones: or, in other words, how do I do it the ubuntu way?
[01:40] <rvalles> LinuxJones: since I can do it the ugly way without much help
[01:40] <geneo93> ephemeral:  thats good do a sudo apt-get dist update
[01:40] <LinuxJones> rvalles, you should be able to set it in your users .bashrc file
[01:40] <rvalles> LinuxJones: yeah, that would be an option
[01:40] <ephemeral> oh? that was supposed to happen?
[01:40] <e-motion> does anyone know possible ways to insdtall ubuntu from the Live CD
[01:40] <geneo93> upgrade i mean
[01:40] <shmoolik> can i make a sourt cut to a folder on my DeskTop?
[01:41] <LinuxJones> e-motion, not that I know of :(
[01:41] <Fackamato> How do I change the language in gnome?
[01:41] <dabi> hmm any ideas how can i change my ubuntu language back to finnish? i downloaded the packages but when trying to change it from gdm it says fi_FI utf-8 not found and changes it to english
[01:41] <P229> in array 7, changing the them while Synaptic is downloading updates causes Synaptic to exit/crash
[01:41] <P229> the theme*
[01:41] <LinuxJones> shmoolik, sure right click "create launcher" under type select directory
[01:41] <dabi> hmm mayby ill go to forums
[01:41] <e-motion> linuxJones: hmmm why does the Live CD Load perfectly then, and The install CD fails ... hmppf
[01:41] <MeHere> shmoolik: you can make a launcher to browse that folder i think
[01:42] <farruinn> dabi: I'm not sure I fully understand the new language pack system, but have you tried 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales'?
[01:42] <LinuxJones> e-motion, you have the same version for both ?
[01:42] <tsaphah> Does the warty install detect that I have windows installed and provide an option to dual boot automatically or will I be needing to edit grub/lilo myself?
[01:42] <LinuxJones> e-motion, you might have a warty install disk and Hoary live CD ?
[01:43] <e-motion> LinuxJones: yes part of the install pack 4.10
[01:43] <jharrison> are there any bugs in terms of font packages?
[01:43] <farruinn> tsaphah: afaik you have to modify the grup config
[01:43] <MeHere> LinuxJones
[01:43] <rvalles> LinuxJones: CC=gcc34 gcc --version
[01:43] <e-motion> LinuxJones: I installed the System from the Same disk on an other Hardware perfectly
[01:43] <LinuxJones> tsaphah, it should find it but I would install the latest hoary version. It is going to be the stable version in 2 weeks
[01:43] <MeHere> can we chat?
[01:43] <rvalles> LinuxJones: still throws 3.3.4 :O
[01:44] <rvalles> LinuxJones: what's the problem with "gcc"? (!)
[01:44] <tsaphah> LinuxJones: *chuckles* k
[01:44] <LinuxJones> rvalles, if you search google you will find the answer I am getting loaded atm and am going to be useless in about 1/2 hour :)
[01:44] <rvalles> LinuxJones: I guess gcc doesn't honor CC at all
[01:44] <shmoolik> LinuxJones,  MeHere  hum .... for some  resone when i put the path on the crate luncher box and then i m trying to run the luncher  i get a message that the command can't b run
[01:44] <rvalles> LinuxJones: after all...
[01:45] <LinuxJones> e-motion, this system is newer ?
[01:45] <P229> I wish distros would start rolling pktcdvd and udftools
[01:45] <LinuxJones> shmoolik, what command ?
[01:46] <shmoolik> "/media/phiczia/My Documents" fot e..g
[01:46] <e-motion> LinuxJones: yes THIS system with the problem is a Dell Latitude 800 Notebook, the system where It worked as a test was a P3 500MHZ IBM
[01:46] <shmoolik> "media/phiczia/My Documents" fot e..g
[01:46] <nekrataal> hello
[01:46] <regeya> alrright I give up...when I moved on to hoary, the trick I used to get my audio<->video sync working on mpeg2 output no longer works.  I GIVE UP.  it should not require research and a somewhat-good knowledge of how such video works to burn home movies to dvd. :-P
[01:46] <P229> nekrataal, hi
[01:46] <nekrataal> a little question...how can i add some launcher to the gnome menu on ubuntu hoary?
[01:47] <farruinn> nekrataal: there is no built in way to do it yet
[01:47] <LinuxJones> e-motion, the Hoary install cd has lots of bug fixes ans is much nicer compared to the Warty install cd. Are you able to download the latest Hoary install cd ?
[01:47] <e-motion> LinuxJones: maybe its the Grub Loader which fails .. hm
[01:47] <nekrataal> so i cant?
[01:47] <e-motion> LinuxJones: yes .. no prob
[01:47] <LinuxJones> shmoolik, to a directory ?
[01:48] <farruinn> nekrataal: have have been a few people who have put together some tools to do it, one sec...
[01:48] <e-motion> LinuxJones: is it Different to the 4.10
[01:48] <dabi> oh kwl back in finnish ;)
[01:48] <LinuxJones> e-motion, try that dude you might be ok but laptops can sometimes be problamatic
[01:48] <shmoolik> LinuxJones,  yeah
[01:48] <jharrison> when typing in passwords and such usually there are black circles in the password field as you type in the password but now there are squares with weird codes in them.
[01:48] <jharrison> anyone know what the deal is with that?
[01:49] <farruinn> nekrataal: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19673 is one, I've added a couple of items to my menus, it seems to work
[01:49] <shmoolik> nekrataal,  just "nautilus <section on menu>:///" and then create a luncher
[01:49] <MeHere> guys how do i make my current user superuser?
[01:49] <shmoolik> nekrataal,  don't for get to restart gnome
[01:49] <[FiDO] > can anyone help me wih configuring lirc to work with my tv card
[01:49] <e-motion> LinuxJones: ok Downlading wartyWardog and try .. thanks
[01:49] <Blissex> MeHere: 'man su' or 'man sudo'
[01:49] <LinuxJones> shmoolik, ok in the window give it a name, under Type select Directory from the dropdown list, click browse and locate the directy then click ok.
[01:49] <farruinn> jharrison: that's completely normal for linux shell logins =)
[01:50] <farruinn> shmoolik: hoary
[01:50] <jharrison> farruinn: but this is system wide
[01:50] <farruinn> jharrison: in gdm as well?
[01:50] <Blissex> MeHere: those are the correct approaches.
[01:50] <jharrison> farruinn: for example logging into gaim etc...
[01:50] <geneo93> MeHere:  you dont want too
[01:50] <DrunkenBug> can anyone help me with why it isnt configuring my network at install?
[01:50] <LinuxJones> e-motion, you should download the Hoary installer :)
[01:50] <LinuxJones> cd
[01:50] <nekrataal> ok, thanks guys, ill check that out..
[01:50] <farruinn> jharrison: do you have a non-standard font set as default?
[01:50] <Zenum> hey, im having a problem with my wireless card, where as soon as I enable the restricted key with iwconfig my computer just slows down heaps, and the events/0 process uses 95% of my processor...
[01:50] <ells> LinuxJones, I am talking to you via my hoary desktop, it worked
[01:50] <shmoolik> LinuxJones,  that what i have done =\
[01:51] <Zenum> has anyone had this problem before?
[01:51] <LinuxJones> ells, sweet :)
[01:51] <P229> does the sound recorder work for anyone?
[01:51] <e-motion> LinuxJones: ok @ Hoary
[01:51] <LinuxJones> shmoolik, that's impossible :)
[01:51] <ells> LinuxJones, just tweaking it now
[01:51] <DrunkenBug> hey, can anyone help me with why it isnt configuring my network at install?
[01:51] <LinuxJones> ells, good stuff
[01:51] <jharrison> farruinn: maybe
[01:51] <P229> is it just me, or does the sound recorder not work at all?
[01:51] <jharrison> farruinn: this is a friend of mine
[01:51] <ells> LinuxJones, the hoary preview install seems very intuitive
[01:51] <jharrison> farruinn: he does not speak that great of english
[01:52] <ells> LinuxJones, as far as upgrades and such
[01:52] <nictuku> is request-tracker3 dependencies broken in warty?
[01:52] <LinuxJones> ells, it is very nice can't wait for the GUI installer mmmmm
[01:52] <nictuku> *are
[01:52] <tsume> hmm
[01:52] <jharrison> farruinn: I will upload some screenshots to my website so you can see what we mean
[01:52] <DrunkenBug> hey, can anyone help me with why it isnt configuring my network at install?
[01:52] <ells> LinuxJoes, easier than warty in my opinion
[01:52] <tsume> who updates the debs for hoary?
[01:52] <farruinn> jharrison: ok
[01:52] <shmoolik> LinuxJones,  i can show ya ... when i press browse i can't select a foder so i type it on the command section
[01:52] <ells> LinuxJones, so far....time will tell ya know
[01:52] <Zenum> has anyone had problems where wireless network slows down your computer when you put on encryption?
[01:53] <farruinn> tsume: erm, the developers =)
[01:53] <rvalles> hey
[01:53] <tsume> and why is the OLD nvidia driver in the dev?
[01:53] <rvalles> I have
[01:53] <rvalles> - gcc
[01:53] <rvalles> - gcc-3.4
[01:53] <LinuxJones> shmoolik, why can't you browse to the folder ?
[01:53] <ells> Zenum: not really, i run it on my laptop
[01:53] <rvalles> I used to have, too
[01:53] <rvalles> - gcc-3.3
[01:53] <memcmeme> how d I make ubuntu let me log into a session as root?
[01:53] <rvalles> removed gcc-3.3
[01:53] <memcmeme> it wont let me
[01:53] <farruinn> memcmeme: sudo -s
[01:53] <rvalles> and now "gcc" throws a command not found
[01:53] <jharrison> farruinn: http://linuxbs.org/public/screenshot1.png
[01:53] <memcmeme> where?
[01:53] <farruinn> memcmeme: oh, don't log into a graphical session as root, that's a bad idea
[01:54] <shmoolik> LinuxJones,  cuse when i do i must select a file to aprove the "ok" butten
[01:54] <farruinn> memcmeme: it can really screw your system.  If you need to use nautilus as root I thin kthere's an option in the menu
[01:54] <memcmeme> I need to use Konqeror as root
[01:54] <geneo93> farruinn:  you have any idea on that java problem i have
[01:54] <shmoolik> LinuxJones,  the "open" butten
[01:54] <LinuxJones> shmoolik, you have to select "directory" from the Type dropdown list
[01:54] <DrunkenBug> hey, can anyone help me with why it isnt configuring my network at install?
[01:54] <shmoolik> LinuxJones, thats the 1st thing i have done
[01:55] <jharrison> farruinn: my friend uses the portuguese fonts and language
[01:55] <farruinn> geneo93: sorry I don't remember what the problem was
[01:55] <LinuxJones> shmoolik, you on warty ?
[01:55] <farruinn> jharrison: checking it out...
[01:55] <jharrison> farruinn: thanks
[01:55] <shmoolik> LinuxJones,  no i m hoary
[01:55] <dabi> how can i run a command before gdm starts or at same time?
[01:55] <memcmeme> does anyone know how to use konqueror as root?
[01:55] <geneo93> farruinn:  i'll paste to you
[01:55] <e-motion> LinuxJones:  is it that one you mean ?   hoary-preview-install-amd64.iso
[01:55] <rvalles> I'm tired :(
[01:55] <LinuxJones> shmoolik, something is messed up dude I can do it fine ?|?|
[01:56] <rvalles> LinuxJones: I guess Ubuntu doesn't make sense after all
[01:56] <LinuxJones> e-motion, yeah
[01:56] <rvalles> I'm happy that I'm not the one using ubuntu, tho
[01:56] <rvalles> (I run gentoo)
[01:56] <e-motion> LinuxJones: ok thanks
[01:56] <xigle1> a few days ago, I installed hoary preview. I added the right repositories and was able to install gstreamer, xmms, mplayer, xine etc. But now I reinstalled ubuntu and am getting a lot of error message when I try to install theese programs. Talking about all kinds of packages that's "not installable" and "have unmet dependencies". Any ideas?
[01:56] <rvalles> I'm trying to help a friend who doesn't speak english
[01:56] <shmoolik> hum.... okey then i think that i will just wait for the upgrade then LinuxJones
[01:56] <rvalles> poor guy
[01:56] <LinuxJones> e-motion, :)
[01:56] <ells> rvalles, ubuntu works great for most
[01:56] <DrunkenBug> hello,anyone know why it isnt configuring my network at install?
[01:56] <LinuxJones> shmoolik, that's wierd it should work just fine
[01:57] <farruinn> jharrison: if you're using sudo it won't show up.  I don't see in that screenshot where you're entering a password
[01:57] <jharrison> farruinn: well it doesnt seem to be the password fields
[01:57] <shmoolik> LinuxJones,  donno ....  i m not such a newbe though i m a biggner and a very bad English specker =\
[01:58] <jharrison> farruinn: it does I mean but the screenshots he sent is of other things
[01:58] <rvalles> ells: I used to think so
[01:58] <jharrison> farruinn: for example the buddy list on gaim
[01:58] <farruinn> jharrison: hehe, I see :)
[01:58] <rvalles> ells: but... if the "gcc" package is a wrapper
[01:58] <ells> rvalles, i use it my desktop and laptop. works great with wireless
[01:58] <jharrison> farruinn: http://linuxbs.org/public/screenshot2.png
[01:58] <jharrison> farruinn: there is another one
[01:58] <rvalles> ells: where is its documentation?
[01:58] <xigle1> if no one have any ideas I guess I'll go to bed ... nite
[01:58] <LinuxJones> shmoolik, so your right clicking on the desktop and selecting "Create Launcher" ?
[01:58] <ells> rvalles, can tell a lie,  not sure
[01:58] <jharrison> farruinn: bear with me as I am trying to figure out from him what the problem exactly is
[01:58] <helio1> using the gnome-printer interface I'm using (smb://guest:@Langston_6/epson) to try and send jobs to a windows connected printer...error says it can't connect to samba host! help?
[01:58] <rvalles> ells: how am I supposed to know how it does work, without documentation?
[01:58] <jharrison> farruinn: I dont speak portuguese :)
[01:59] <shmoolik> LinuxJones,  yeah :)
[01:59] <farruinn> jharrison: heheh, neither do I so good luck =)
[01:59] <rvalles> ells: not even in the website, gives me the creeps.
[01:59] <ells> rvalles, which part are you asking about
[01:59] <jharrison> farruinn: I might have found a translator
[01:59] <LinuxJones> shmoolik, have you updated your system since installing ?
[01:59] <rvalles> ells: "gcc" is a wrapper. I want to know how to set up this wrapper
[01:59] <ells> rvalles, have you tried the unofficial site
[01:59] <Blissex> rvalles: look for the 'spec' file for GCC.
[01:59] <shmoolik> LinuxJones,  yeah today
[01:59] <radiodurans> what would you use ubuntu instead of debian?
[01:59] <rvalles> ells: see, I have gcc-3.4 installed. I used to have gcc-3.3 too, I've just removed it.
[01:59] <radiodurans> what = why
[02:00] <rvalles> ells: but "gcc" gives me a /usr/bin/gcc: command not found
[02:00] <DrunkenBug> hello, anyone know why it isnt configuring my network at install?
[02:00] <shmoolik>  LinuxJones  it fixed lots of problems i had ...
[02:00] <rfauth> good evening
[02:00] <rvalles> ells: gcc-3.4 exists.
[02:00] <medwards_> xigle1: universe missing from your sources.list?
[02:00] <LinuxJones> shmoolik, not quite enough :)
[02:00] <ells> If the question cant be found in here, you can go to the unofficial ubuntu site. really awesome setup faq
[02:00] <rvalles> ells: problem is... how do I make the ubuntu gcc wrapper see it?
[02:01] <ells> rvalles, really not my strong point, sorry
[02:01] <rvalles> it's simple stuff, I really don't get it
[02:01] <rvalles> you people never use gcc at all?
[02:01] <shmoolik> LinuxJones,  yeah, it appers .... though i m quite happy with this disro
[02:01] <ells> rvalles, you could send  a report through ubuntu on your issue
[02:01] <Rocha> Hello, for the developers here...
[02:01] <medwards_> Anyone run into hald timeouts when a USB stick was in during boot?
[02:01] <Rocha> ...what graphical cvs tool do you recommend me?
[02:01] <ells> rvalles, they are really responsive if it cannot be answered in here
[02:01] <shmoolik> i didn't had any need to move back to windows and i don't think i will have a resone too LinuxJones
[02:01] <treke> mdz: What is the update policy for the for the universe repository? The sources.list file says that there are no updates, but the package archive seems to have a section for them
[02:02] <memcmeme> hello
[02:02] <memcmeme> I am now in Gnome
[02:02] <ells> Does anyone have answer that can help rvalles
[02:02] <shmoolik> LinuxJones,  though i do have problem with the sound on majesty =\
[02:02] <memcmeme> where is the option to use the windows browser as root
[02:02] <dabi> what do i have to do so numlock activates with gdm? i installed numlockx with synaptic but dont know how to activate it..
[02:02] <inphlict> Hey how do I get avi files to play?
[02:02] <memcmeme> I need to move some stuff around and the it keeps insisting I don't have permissions
[02:02] <helio1> What does "Unable to Connect to Samba host" mean in a printer error?  I can browse the windows box fine via samba but NO printing no matter what I do....
[02:02] <shmoolik> and Quake is not running =\\\\\\\
[02:02] <rvalles> I also tried reinstalling "gcc-3.4"
[02:02] <inphlict> Which codec do I need to install, someone help pls
[02:02] <rvalles> but no luck
[02:02] <ells> LinuxJones: can you help rvalles
[02:02] <rvalles> it doesn't make "the wrapper" see it...
[02:03] <ells> rvalles, we will get help
[02:03] <mdz> treke: updates to universe, in the stable branch, are made on a volunteer/time-available basis
[02:03] <treke> mdz: Ah thanks. That clears it up.
[02:03] <inphlict> Does anyone know what i need to install to get avi files to work
[02:03] <treke> Been trying to decide whether to go woody or ubuntu on a machine
[02:03] <farruinn> rvalles: gcc is going to depend on gcc-3.3 thus it's going to symlink /usr/bin/gcc to /usr/bin/gcc-3.3...
[02:03] <ells> all points bulletin, can anyone help with rvalles' issue
[02:04] <jharrison> farruinn: ok
[02:04] <inphlict> guys how the hell do I get avi files to work
[02:04] <inphlict> pls
[02:04] <memcmeme> this is drivin me nuts, I log out, it says i cannot login to Gnome as root, and but I want to move stuff around using the WM
[02:04] <memcmeme> is there a way?
[02:04] <ells> farruinn,  thanks man
[02:04] <shmoolik> okay ppl i m off to bad
[02:04] <rvalles> farruinn: :)
[02:04] <shmoolik> nighty night
[02:05] <shmoolik> LinuxJones,  thank man
[02:05] <jharrison> farruinn: from what was translated it seems that when he enters text in a password field weird characters appear and also you can see these characters in the buddy list and the character map in the screenshots
[02:05] <shmoolik>
[02:05] <jharrison> farruinn: seems to be some kind of localization problem
[02:05] <rvalles> farruinn: /usr/bin/gcc doesn't exist
[02:05] <rvalles> farruinn: as a link or as anything else; it just doesn't exist.
[02:05] <dabi> what do i have to do so numlock activates with gdm? i installed numlockx with synaptic but dont know how to activate it..
[02:05] <_mepis_lover> w32codecs
[02:05] <_mepis_lover> apt-get install w32codecs
[02:06] <LinuxJones> shmoolik, :)
[02:06] <farruinn> jharrison: ooh, yes I see that
[02:06] <tsume> so..
[02:06] <treke> I suppose the ubuntu updates situation won't be nearly as bad as trying to deal with backports for woody :)
[02:06] <Fackamato> rvalles: apt-get install build-essential
[02:06] <tsume> are any developers here?
[02:06] <Rocha> Does anyone know if mono 1.1.4 will be available for ubuntu hoary?
[02:06] <jharrison> farruinn: any ideas
[02:07] <_mepis_lover> what player inphlict
[02:07] <tsume> to explain why the newer nvidia module isn't in the archive?
[02:07] <rvalles> Fackamato: I have that installed, but not gcc-3.3
[02:07] <rvalles> Fackamato: nor I want it, either.
[02:07] <jharrison> farruinn: they are still talking in portuguese so I wait for more info translated to english
[02:07] <audioslav> does anyone know if the kubuntu desktop has an applet like the software updates applet in hoary's gnome?
[02:07] <inphlict> totem
[02:07] <farruinn> jharrison: is this a fresh install of hoary or warty?  upgrade to hoary?
[02:07] <inphlict> I installed w32codecs and another I forget the name
[02:07] <inphlict> from the unoffical guide
[02:08] <inphlict> I have universes on and all the other stuff
[02:08] <LinuxJones> rvalles, you will get an answer in #ubuntu-devel
[02:08] <inphlict> which codec do I need to play divx/avi
[02:08] <rvalles> LinuxJones: I'll go check
[02:08] <_mepis_lover> avifile-win32-plugin
[02:08] <inphlict> okay i'll try it
[02:08] <_mepis_lover> i dont know if thats it
[02:08] <memcmeme> Is it even possible to log into Gnome as root?
[02:08] <helio1> I'm pasting a SAMBA/print to windows error in #flood if anyone has a sec to decipher it for me I would be indebted...
[02:09] <memcmeme> this is absurd
[02:09] <farruinn> rvalles: you can make the symlink yourself
[02:09] <inphlict> yeah it is mem
[02:09] <inphlict> go read the forums
[02:09] <audioslav> you have to enable root's login to do that memcmeme
[02:09] <jharrison> farruinn: he copied over fonts from other linux installs to /usr/share/fonts/ttf
[02:09] <memcmeme> how I looked on linuxforums and a lot of people were not able to
[02:09] <memcmeme> but I did not find the answer
[02:09] <inphlict> no such package ;/
[02:10] <jharrison> farruinn: prob didn't alter xorg.conf plus ubuntu likes to use gnome referenced fonts aka ~.fonts folder
[02:10] <rvalles> farruinn: it wont be useful
[02:10] <slurpas> Hello! how do i disable my firewall?
[02:10] <jharrison> farruinn: he needs to alter his X files to get fonts a working
[02:10] <farruinn> jharrison: yeah,I was going to say he should have put them in ~/.fonts
[02:10] <memcmeme> be right back
[02:10] <thenuke> slurpas:  :o does ubuntu have firewall?
[02:11] <jharrison> farruinn: ok I will relay the message
[02:11] <_mepis_lover> apt-get install msttcorefonts
[02:11] <thenuke> slurpas: at least warty did not have it when I installed it
[02:11] <slurpas> thenuke.. i think so?
[02:11] <farruinn> jharrison: ask him to use a different font
[02:11] <farruinn> farruinn: like freesans or something
[02:11] <jharrison> farruinn: ok
[02:11] <slurpas> thenuke, ok... maby its something else.. but i cant connect to a program on my linux-comp.. i just reinstalled it and have configurated it as before..
[02:12] <helio1> slurpas: / thenuke firestarter is one easy firewall you can install on warty, there is no firewall installed/enabled by default...  if you have firestarter, you can access it via the System configuration menu
[02:12] <audioslav> does anyone else feel like all the new cool system config applets are in the gnome desktop and not in kubuntu?
[02:12] <slurpas> but then i had fedora core 3 with firewall.. who i needed to disable to connect..
[02:12] <jharrison> farruinn: he is using hoary preview 5.04
[02:12] <slurpas> helio1, how?
[02:12] <farruinn> rvalles: why not?
[02:13] <farruinn> jharrison: if he is having the problem with default ubuntu fonts then it should be reported but if the problem is with user installed fonts then I'm not sure...
[02:13] <jharrison> farruinn: ok
[02:13] <helio1> I have firestarter on one Ubuntu system and it's configurable as menu item under Computer>System Configuration
[02:13] <slurpas> oki thx :)
[02:13] <Amaranth> rvalles: hey
[02:13] <rvalles> Amaranth: hi
[02:13] <helio1> If you didn't install a firewall, I suspect that's not the problem.
[02:14] <rvalles> Amaranth: well, it's turning me crazy
[02:14] <Amaranth> rvalles: sudo ln -s /usr/bin/gcc3.4 /usr/bin/gcc
[02:14] <rvalles> Amaranth: I can do that, yeah
[02:14] <jharrison> farruinn: appears to be user installed fonts
[02:14] <memcmeme> ok
[02:14] <rvalles> Amaranth: but that's definitivelly NOT the way.
[02:14] <memcmeme> it didn't wok
[02:14] <Amaranth> rvalles: yes it is
[02:14] <jharrison> farruinn: so I dont think a bug report would be warrented
[02:14] <memcmeme> work*
[02:14] <rvalles> Amaranth: and I want to know the way; the ubuntu way, that is.
[02:14] <Amaranth> rvalles: you removed gcc3.3, it removed the symlink
[02:14] <memcmeme> I have never heard of a Linux distro that doesn't set up a root password by default
[02:14] <rvalles> Amaranth: let's see a thing
[02:14] <jharrison> farruinn: if ubuntu's bts is anything like debian anyways
[02:14] <memcmeme> I dont een have one
[02:14] <slurpas> okai! thx anyway.. need to chech my router also..
[02:14] <memcmeme> even
[02:14] <rvalles> Amaranth: why if I do a "kk" I get a bash: kk: command not found
[02:15] <memcmeme> its just my normal password
[02:15] <Amaranth> rvalles: because kk doesn't exist?
[02:15] <rvalles> Amaranth: and if I do a gcc I get a bash: /usr/bin/gcc: No existe el fichero o el directorio
[02:15] <memcmeme> it never asked me to create one
[02:15] <audioslav> at the end of the day, is there any difference in installing warty and apting to hoary or installing hoary preview?
[02:15] <rvalles> Amaranth: ?
[02:15] <farruinn> jharrison: agreed
[02:15] <Amaranth> rvalles: translation?
[02:15] <rvalles> Amaranth: why does the error say /usr/bin/gcc?
[02:15] <rvalles> Amaranth: translation is, file or dir doesn't exist
[02:15] <farruinn> jharrison: the free* fonts have all the latin characters, he must have been using a font that wasn't complete
[02:15] <Amaranth> because the symlink is there, gcc3.3 isn't
[02:16] <Amaranth> sudo rm /usr/bin/gcc
[02:16] <rvalles> Amaranth: but the symlink isn't
[02:16] <Amaranth> then sudo ln -s /usr/bin/gcc3.4 /usr/bin/gcc
[02:16] <rvalles> Amaranth: ls -l /usr/bin/gcc gives a file not found
[02:16] <Amaranth> rvalles: sounds like you seriously broke things
[02:16] <Amaranth> rvalles: just create the symlink
[02:16] <jharrison> farruinn: sounds right to me
[02:17] <rvalles> Amaranth: I could, easily
[02:17] <rvalles> Amaranth: yet...
[02:17] <rvalles> Amaranth: I have an unanswered question
[02:17] <rvalles> Amaranth: which is...
[02:17] <Amaranth> rvalles: there is no "ubuntu way" when you intentionally break things
[02:17] <Amaranth> rvalles: my answer is don't worry about it :P
[02:17] <rvalles> Amaranth: why if I type "kk" I get that error
[02:17] <rvalles> Amaranth: and if I type "gcc" I get that OTHER error, with the full path on it, even?
[02:18] <helio1> If anyone has any experience with printing via SAMBA to Windows, please help; i'm after hours in a classroom that's not mine, helping someone else and very frustrated that I can't get a test page to print to a Windows connected printer from Ubuntu
[02:18] <treke> rvalles: you get that error because kk is not in the path
[02:18] <treke> gcc is apparantly in your path somewhere
[02:18] <rvalles> treke: I thought that much
[02:18] <treke> which `gcc` may tell you where
[02:18] <Amaranth> rvalles: bash: /usr/bin/gcc: No such file or directory
[02:18] <treke> which 'gcc'
[02:19] <Amaranth> rvalles: i get that when the symlink exists but the thing it points to doesn't
[02:19] <rvalles> treke: file or dir doesn't exist
[02:19] <navreet> hi, what software should I use to burn .bin/cue files?
[02:19] <rvalles> treke: doing which `gcc`
[02:20] <treke> dont do that :
[02:20] <treke> do which 'gcc'
[02:20] <Amaranth> navreet: downloading movies, are we? :)
[02:20] <rvalles> treke: I guess "which gcc"
[02:20] <sirukin> cat filename >> /dev/cdrom0
[02:20] <Amaranth> navreet: you need bin2iso
[02:20] <sirukin> try it
[02:21] <rvalles> treke: the worst is that I'm doing this for a person who doesn't speak english
[02:21] <rvalles> treke: I'm telling him which commands to type and all, he pastes me the results
[02:21] <rvalles> treke: quite fun
[02:21] <rvalles> treke: which gcc returns nothing :O
[02:21] <dabi> how can i have numlock enabled when gdm boots? i have numlockx installed but dont know where to add the command :(
[02:22] <navreet> Amaranth, any gui?
[02:22] <farruinn> rvalles: why don't you ssh to his system? ;)
[02:22] <Amaranth> navreet: not that i'm aware of
[02:22] <rvalles> farruinn: I'll do that, eventually
[02:22] <rvalles> farruinn: but I want to avoid doing that.
[02:22] <treke> rvalles: if your taking what we say and translating it to him and translating his answer back, I suspect we'll never find a solution :)
[02:22] <LinuxJones> dabi, gnome-sesssion-properties under startup programs
[02:22] <treke> too many links in the chain
[02:22] <helio1> navreet I think K3b will do it
[02:22] <rvalles> farruinn: If I ssh and do everything... ;)
[02:22] <rvalles> farruinn: the guy won't be able to do it himself ever.
[02:23] <rvalles> farruinn: and I'll be working as an admin for him forever or till I grow tired
[02:23] <rvalles> farruinn: I'm just trying to avoid that by not sshing into his box.
[02:23] <dabi> LinuxJones: hmm mayby i should google first.. :P first hit from google: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=16891 tseh.. ty anyway.. srry :P
[02:23] <LinuxJones> dabi, :)
[02:23] <gfxstyler> hey again :)
[02:24] <ells> has anyone notices if one of the ubuntu sources is down
[02:24] <gfxstyler> ells: really? i checked synaptic for 30 minutes and it didnt complain about any errors
[02:24] <farruinn> LinuxJones: just having numlockx installed does it for me...
[02:25] <farruinn> ells: I just updated fine, maybe it's your mirror
[02:25] <rvalles> farruinn: my conclusion is that the different errors are probably linked to some sort of cache...
[02:25] <rvalles> farruinn: which bash does internally have
[02:25] <gfxstyler> is there another way of speeding up cdrom than hdparm -d 1 /dev/cdrom ?
[02:25] <rvalles> I'll do some tests on that on my own box later; I just want to be sure.
[02:25] <rvalles> (I have it when I don't have the absolute control :D)
[02:25] <ells> something about http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-sceurity/restricted Sources not available
[02:26] <rvalles> *hate
[02:26] <helio1> oh well, THREE hours troublshooting samba printing to windows and I'm no closer than when I started... I guess I'm giving up for the day now;
[02:26] <goodoldunclemike> ?..i set my network up with samba...i open up network servers...i can see the drive partition that i a shareing with windows...but it shows empty..so i did a share on each folder..and it still shows empty
[02:26] <ells> faruinn: something about http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-sceurity/restricted Sources not available
[02:26] <gfxstyler> & why does alsa not work when esd is running?
[02:26] <farruinn> rvalles: :)
[02:26] <LinuxJones> farruinn, I don't even have it installed, I was just trying to help someone else :D
[02:26] <farruinn> LinuxJones: yeah, just an fyi if your here when he comes back
[02:26] <geneo91> farruinn:  sorry i crashed this thing
[02:27] <farruinn> geneo91: oh no :(
[02:27] <geneo91> yep lost all my info
[02:27] <geneo91> where did that point
[02:27] <farruinn> ells: if you copy-pasted that it'd be because security isn't spelled correctly...
[02:28] <^thehatsrule^> may i ask which fs i should use to install to?
[02:28] <farruinn> geneo91: sudo ln -s /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/bin/java /usr/bin/java
[02:28] <farruinn> geneo91: and sudo ln -s /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/bin/java_vm /usr/bin/java_vm
[02:28] <ells> naw, typed over from other computer
[02:29] <geneo91> ln: `/usr/bin/java': File exists
[02:29] <dabi> hmm i dont get it.. i see 243 updates available but after i install i still see 243.. :S rare..
[02:29] <farruinn> ells: Hit ... hoary-security/restricted Sources
[02:29] <geneo91> ln: `/usr/bin/java_vm': File exists  on both
[02:29] <joh> Is it possible to cache all packages from a repository?
[02:30] <farruinn> geneo91: I think that means the link already exists, check with ls -l /usr/bin/java_vm
[02:31] <geneo91> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 33 2005-02-09 02:54 /usr/bin/java_vm -> /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/bin/java_vm
[02:33] <geneo91> leme see if i can irc azureus
[02:33] <farruinn> ok, that's good =)
[02:34] <geneo91> damn no such channel
[02:34] <helio1> What's the command to restart cupsd??
[02:35] <gremid> helio1, "sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart"
[02:36] <geneo91> ok got it
[02:36] <helio1> ty gremid
[02:36] <CarlK_> I am doing a net install, and it is prompting for "Choose a mirror of the Ubuntu archive" - any idea what the URL is?
[02:37] <farruinn> geneo91: it's working?
[02:38] <helio1> I'll be damned; 3 hours later the window printer finally responds; now I can go home exhausted but victorious instead of exhausted and bitter lmao
[02:38] <jharrison> farruinn: got it fixed
[02:38] <jharrison> farruinn: thanks for your help
[02:38] <farruinn> jharrison: excellent, what was the solution?
[02:38] <helio1> thanks for listening to me complain about it
[02:38] <jharrison> farruinn: apparently he had transfered some windows fonts from an actual windows installation to ubuntu
[02:38] <jharrison> farruinn: and that had ill effects
[02:39] <farruinn> uh huh... :)
[02:39] <jharrison> farruinn: not sure why anyone would want windows fonts in linux but ohw ell
[02:39] <jharrison> farruinn: so he deleted the folder he had put them in and restarted X and it works fine now
[02:39] <farruinn> ah, well at least they didn't overwrite any fonts
[02:40] <navreet> hi, my computers starts acting slow (I think it's the IO) when I burn a CD... and I only burn at ~20x, when my burner is capable of 52x... I had PC3200 ram and an Opteron 148.. (it shouldn't be this slow)
[02:41] <navreet> my mp3 playback slows down... and I get a lot of static from xmms (kinda like it's dropping stuff)
[02:41] <Fackamato> jharrison: uh
[02:41] <Fackamato> of course you need MS fonts
[02:41] <Fackamato> some pages doesn't display proper otherwise.
[02:42] <Fackamato> navreet: is everything accelerated? use native alsa, hardware mixing, hardware acceleration on the graphics card with DRI using agpgart of the build-in agp driver in the kernel module
[02:43] <M_Fatih> hi all, i newly installed hoary
[02:43] <Fackamato> uhu
[02:44] <M_Fatih> i want to add mp3 support to rhythymbox, i searched in google this, i says, install gstreamer0.8-mad plug-in, but there isn't any packages like this.. no mad pachages..
[02:44] <navreet> Fackamato, yep
[02:44] <navreet> Fackamato, actually using nVidia stuff... but that's not the issue
[02:44] <Fackamato> using nvidia's driver from nvidia.com ?
[02:44] <farruinn> M_Fatih: you need to enable universe first
[02:44] <Fackamato> you get 2000+fps in glxgears etc?
[02:44] <Fackamato> navreet: what mainboard chipset
[02:45] <navreet> Fackamato, ..and the video isn't slow..  I write a lot of graphics stuff
[02:46] <M_Fatih> i don't know anything about ubuntu, only i liked & installed.. i didn't used debian or debian based distro.. only i used apt, too many time ago in suse..
[02:46] <navreet> and watch your language
[02:46] <Fackamato> well
[02:46] <Fackamato> navreet: you don't want to get help
[02:46] <farruinn> M_Fatih: sorry,  I wasn't in gnome atm
[02:46] <CarlK_> net install is doing this and "failing" (guessing no output is the problem) wget -q http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu//dists/hoary/Release -O - | grep ^Suite: | cut -d' ' -f 2
[02:47] <navreet> Fackamato, my asking for help doesn't give you an excuse you to start using profane language
[02:47] <farruinn> M_Fatih: go to the System>Administration>Syanaptic Package Manager
[02:47] <M_Fatih> hm. ok
[02:47] <CarlK_> the wget does return the file (despite the //) but the grep doesnt return anyting
[02:47] <M_Fatih> i try to do it in console..
[02:48] <M_Fatih> why my sudo command sucks in root password
[02:48] <farruinn> M_Fatih: oh, you don't want to use synaptic from console
[02:48] <Fackamato> navreet: please
[02:48] <Fackamato> grow up
[02:48] <M_Fatih> i changed my root password but it returns wrong pass..
[02:48] <Fackamato> you don't give any info on your problem, and you tell people to fuck off when they try to help you
[02:48] <farruinn> M_Fatih: if you've set a root password you need to use su, not sudo
[02:49] <navreet> Fackamato, First I did not use that language, only you do... second, I told you it wasn't the graphics, it's the IO
[02:49] <DarthFrog> Or use your password, not the root password, with sudo.
[02:49] <M_Fatih> i did it, i'm changing to user root with su command.. but sudo command sucks..
[02:49] <farruinn> ok, that's fine...
[02:49] <Fackamato> navreet: I don't care if it's the IO, you haven't said anything about what graphic card you have, what drivers you use, what chipset you have, if you're using oss or alsa, what vidoe output you use, if X is accelerated, what codec the video uses, what player you're playing it in
[02:50] <brenden> the amd64 install torrent is broken
[02:50] <farruinn> M_Fatih: you need to edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list, there are two lines that are commented out, it tells you which lines to uncomment
[02:50] <M_Fatih> hmm. looking..
[02:50] <navreet> Fackamato, you are not even reading what I say... I am not even trying to play a video or anything
[02:50] <navreet> Fackamato, I quote, "hi, my computers starts acting slow (I think it's the IO) when I burn a CD... and I only burn at ~20x, when my burner is capable of 52x... I had PC3200 ram and an Opteron 148.. (it shouldn't be this slow)"
[02:51] <navreet> Fackamato, If I were watching a dvd in mplayer or something, I'd understand, but I am not doing that
 Fackamato, ..and the video isn't slow.. I have cycles to spare, it's the IO
[02:51] <farruinn> M_Fatih: something like 'su nano /etc/apt/sources.list' would work
[02:51] <Fackamato> you still haven't answered my questions
[02:51] <M_Fatih> i changed all "deb... " lines to uncommented..
[02:51] <navreet> Fackamato, that's when you asked me about my graphics drivers... and I was referring to X refreshing
[02:51] <farruinn> M_Fatih: ok, then as root run apt-get update
[02:51] <DarthFrog> M_Fatih: Now do "apt-get update"
[02:52] <navreet> Fackamato, I am done burning the data... I gotta go
[02:52] <M_Fatih> i have a problem in "sudo". it not accept my root's password, why?
[02:52] <geneo91> farruinn:  they tell me i need runtime going
[02:52] <farruinn> M_Fatih: sudo uses your user password, su uses the root password
[02:53] <M_Fatih> ahh :(
[02:53] <farruinn> geneo91: as in jre?
[02:53] <M_Fatih> haha i don't know it..
[02:53] <geneo91> yes
[02:53] <yyc747> have I been misinformed, or will hoary have KDE?
[02:53] <DarthFrog> yyc747: I'm running it right now.
[02:53] <geneo91> java console
[02:53] <DarthFrog> yyc747: KDE 3.4
[02:53] <DarthFrog> yyc747: It's nice and crunchy.
[02:54] <farruinn> yyc747: there's even an install cd, link to preview release in /topic
[02:54] <phas> Hi, i have a question.Ubuntu insists on startup to try to load garbage like hotplug or RAID support, when my pre-jurassic matherboards do not support them.How can I prevent these modules to be loaded on startup?
[02:54] <yyc747> DarthFrog: ooooh... I'm on gentoo, so I think I'm going to wait on KDE 3.4 :)  but ubuntu could be my next distro of choice... and certainly will be my choice to convert people with
[02:55] <yyc747> is it just kubuntu with kde?
[02:55] <M_Fatih> E: Broken packages   ??
[02:55] <farruinn> kde is to kubuntu as gnome is to ubuntu
[02:55] <DarthFrog> yyc747: I really like Ubuntu.  I also have Mandrake, Fedora, Debian, Gentoo and Linspire installed.  Kubuntu is going to be my desktop.
[02:55] <^thehatsrule^> eek for kde
[02:55] <^thehatsrule^> :)
[02:56] <M_Fatih> how can i upgrade a spesific package?
[02:56] <farruinn> M_Fatih: you probably just need to run 'apt-get upgrade'
[02:56] <DarthFrog> M_Fatih: use Synaptic.
[02:56] <apokryphos> M_Fatih: sudo apt-get install <certainpackage>
[02:56] <farruinn> yeah, synaptic will make your life easy
[02:56] <apokryphos> M_Fatih: sudo apt-get update first
[02:56] <M_Fatih> DarthFrog, ok
[02:56] <DarthFrog> apokryphos: You can do that from Synaptic.
[02:56] <M_Fatih> apokryphos, i did it..
[02:56] <username> in ubuntu, are there any screen-savers that consist of simply a clock?
[02:57] <apokryphos> DarthFrog: I know. :)
[02:57] <username> apart from the one called 'gltext (clock)' that is.
[02:57] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[02:57] <keffo> hm
[02:58] <keffo> anyone knows about any xchat -> xmms script.. just easy, nothing more than displaying what song currently playing?
[02:58] <M_Fatih> gstreamer0.8-mad:
[02:58] <M_Fatih>  Depends: libid3tag0 (>=0.15.0b) but it is not installable
[02:58] <M_Fatih>  Depends: libmad0 (>=0.15.1b) but it is not installable
[02:58] <^thehatsrule^> theres lots - just customize them?
[02:59] <username> lots of clock screensavers? I can't find any.
[03:00] <farruinn> lots of scripts I think
[03:00] <^thehatsrule^> no i mean xchat xmms script
[03:00] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[03:00] <phas> Hi, i have a question.Ubuntu insists on startup to try to load garbage like hotplug or RAID support, when my pre-jurassic matherboards do not support them.How can I prevent these modules to be loaded on startup?
[03:01] <^thehatsrule^> i guess using any FileSystem is like using which DE
[03:01] <farruinn> phas: I think you need to look at update-rc.d, I don't know how to use it though so I can't walk you through it
[03:02] <fgx> phas, /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[03:02] <fgx> phas, just add the module you dont want to be loaded at boot
[03:02] <johnf1911> isn't hotplug used to manage some non-hotplugable devices?
[03:07] <M_Fatih> Depends: libid3tag0 (>= 0.15.0b) but it is not installable                    i searched libid3tag package.. no package, how can i fix this error...
[03:08] <M_Fatih> :-( ?
[03:09] <farruinn> libid3tag0, the trailing 0 is part of the package name
[03:09] <limaunion> having some troubles while upgrading to Hoary, apt-get update displays many errors while trying to fetch Packages.gz (404 Not found) any ideas what's going on ? I'm following the wiki steps...
[03:09] <M_Fatih> farruinn, i tried this "libid3tag"
[03:10] <M_Fatih> no package :(
[03:10] <M_Fatih> id3tag
[03:10] <apokryphos> limaunion: did you change all your sources.list?
[03:10] <conner> M_Fatih: are you running warthog or hedgehog?
[03:10] <farruinn> limaunion: get rid of any backports or hoary-updates repositories from your sources.list
[03:10] <M_Fatih> conner, hoarty
[03:10] <farruinn> M_Fatih: you're sure you've enabled universe? apt-get update had no problems?
[03:11] <M_Fatih> no problems :(
[03:11] <username> nothing I can do about the mountain of useless and ugly screensavers then, and no suitable clock one?
[03:11] <conner> M_Fatih: you should be able to apt-get install libid3tag0
[03:11] <ogra> M_Fatih, is your package list up to date ? libid3tag0 and libmad0 are in main....you should get them right away
[03:11] <conner> M_Fatih: let me try it on mine
[03:12] <limaunion> sure, I only have hoary references, three lines, taken from http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[03:12] <_mepis_lover> i see kubuntu 5.04 preview is available
[03:12] <conner> M_Fatih: it worked for me. They appear to be in main. Try apt-get update first
[03:12] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[03:12] <apokryphos> limaunion: could you www.pastebin.com the error output?
[03:12] <^thehatsrule^> _mepis_lover haha
[03:12] <apokryphos> _mepis_lover: that's right :)
[03:12] <M_Fatih> it says :
[03:12] <M_Fatih> Package libid3tag0 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[03:12] <M_Fatih> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[03:12] <M_Fatih> is only available from another source
[03:13] <username> never mind.
[03:13] <ogra> M_Fatih, did you fiddle with your sources.list ?
[03:13] <lunitik> M_Fatih: you need to activate universe
[03:13] <conner> M_Fatih: open a root terminal and type "apt-get update" then retry it.
[03:13] <M_Fatih> i did it.. 1min.
[03:13] <ogra> M_Fatih, looks like you disabled main
[03:13] <farruinn> lunitik: not for libid3tag0
[03:14] <_mepis_lover> thehatsrule: don't hate me 'cause I am from the wrong side of the tracks
[03:14] <limaunion> apokryphos: thanks for your help, now I just left 'deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted' and it's ok.
[03:14] <^thehatsrule^> im not hating ;p
[03:14] <M_Fatih> http://pastebin.com/260017
[03:14] <M_Fatih> look this..
[03:14] <^thehatsrule^> its just funny, cause i just ditched mepis
[03:14] <^thehatsrule^> for ubuntu
[03:14] <^thehatsrule^> :P
[03:14] <ogra> _mepis_lover, nah, we all love kubuntu ;) in fact there is array7 which is newer then preview
[03:14] <apokryphos> limaunion: alrighty :)
[03:14] <lunitik> farruinn: you sure thats not in universe? its from the mad folks...
[03:14] <ogra> lunitik, its in main
[03:14] <farruinn> lunitik: apt-cache show libid3tag0 | grep Section
[03:14] <^thehatsrule^> no kubuntu cause of the K hehe
[03:15] <limaunion> apokryphos: will see what's going on because I started with synaptic and now can't start gnome (after upgrading from Warty)
[03:15] <ogra> lunitik, gstreamer0.8-mad is in universe though
[03:15] <ells> has anyone besides me installed hoary preview edition
[03:15] <lunitik> ogra: my bad then... heh
[03:15] <farruinn> ells: I have
[03:15] <^thehatsrule^> ells, tis fine?
[03:15] <ells> farruinn, ,works god
[03:15] <apokryphos> limaunion: you're on hoary now? Was the dist-upgrade successful?
[03:16] <ells> ^thehatsrule^ install was easy, changed the sources
[03:16] <conner> M_Fatih: add this "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted"
[03:16] <farruinn> M_Fatih: you've disabled main man =), you've got to get rid of those #'s
[03:16] <farruinn> conner: he has it, it's commented out
[03:16] <^thehatsrule^> heh, well is it like... fine to use i mean as well ;p
[03:17] <farruinn> M_Fatih: leave the lines with hoary-updates commented though
[03:17] <ells> ^thehatsrule^ works good, the install seemed very intuitive
[03:17] <conner> farruinn: he's in for one big download session.
[03:17] <_mepis_lover> thehatsrule: i will keep a light on for 'ya
[03:17] <M_Fatih> i'm tryin..
[03:17] <^thehatsrule^> eek! but i want to install it using one of those nice cd's
[03:17] <ells> ^thehatsrule^ warty would not work on my desktop, this one does
[03:18] <^thehatsrule^> really?
[03:18] <^thehatsrule^> why?
[03:18] <ells> ^thehatsrule^ download and make your own, that is what I did
[03:18] <^thehatsrule^> heh, its just that i downloaded the 2 v4 cds
[03:18] <^thehatsrule^> today already
[03:18] <limaunion> apokryphos: yes, my notebook was till 2 hours ago, I updated my /etc/apt/ and made the update via Synaptic, going to the 'upgrade' section or something like that and selected all of them (all went ok), next I restarted the system but now it seems that some packages were left, apt-get dist-upgrade seems to be taken care of that
[03:19] <ells> ^thehatsrule^ okay, I hear ya
[03:19] <ells> ^thehatsrule^ used cd rw
[03:19] <ells> ^thehatsrule^to reuse if need be
[03:19] <^thehatsrule^> yea, thats what i use ;p
[03:19] <M_Fatih> i don't know anything about apt, debian.. i newly installed, sorry for newbie suck questions :) i have no time, i need install apache + php + mysql quickly.. sorry..
[03:19] <ells> ^thehatsrule^ your good then
[03:19] <delltony> quick question if i want to backup my /var/www into a tar with bzip2  isn't it tar c /var/www/* | bzip2 >mysite.tar.bz ?
[03:19] <apokryphos> limaunion: in Terminal, try typing sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:20] <^thehatsrule^> designated linux cd - has currently held 3 os's before
[03:20] <conner> M_Fatih: no problem. Once you get that line uncommented, you'll be up and running in.
[03:20] <conner> M_Fatih: but you'll be downloading a LOT of updates the first time.
[03:20] <farruinn> M_Fatih: synaptic will allow you to search and select those packages quickly
[03:20] <ells> ^thehatsrule^ nice, ubuntu for me seems to be the most user friendly I have ever used
[03:20] <M_Fatih> yes it works :)
[03:20] <M_Fatih> thanks
[03:21] <conner> M_Fatih: are you looking at Apache2 or Apache1.3?
[03:21] <^thehatsrule^> lol, well im not sure which one to use still
[03:21] <JDahl> I finally bit the bullet, and installed Ubuntu/Hoary instead of Debian/testing on my machine at work... It's absolutely amazing how everything works without any tweaking - now if only that was my home machine :P
[03:21] <M_Fatih> i'm a gentoo user, i bored with compile everything..
[03:21] <ells> ^thehatsrule^ I had debian on here before
[03:21] <M_Fatih> i trien gnome 2.10 @ ubuntu live.. i like so much..
[03:21] <ells> M-Fatih, welcome aboard
[03:21] <M_Fatih> thanks :)
[03:21] <limaunion> apokryphos: yes, I did that, now it's download mainly gstreamer packages and some others, don't now why Synaptic didn't updated those. fam is going to be removed, is that ok ?
[03:21] <^thehatsrule^> heh - somehow everyone doesn't use the original debian?
[03:22] <ells> ^thehatsrule^ I went to the irc line and those folks were rude
[03:22] <ells> and immature
[03:22] <apokryphos> limaunion: yes, that's fine. Go for it.
[03:22] <conner> ^thehatsrule^: I use the original Debian on servers. It's rock solid and simple to update.
[03:22] <^thehatsrule^> hm...
[03:22] <limaunion> apokryphos: ok, thanks
[03:23] <^thehatsrule^> the problem is all the os's
[03:23] <^thehatsrule^> dont know WHICH one to stick with
[03:23] <M_Fatih> conner, 2 or 1.3 no problem,, only i want php 4.3+ :)
[03:23] <farruinn> M_Fatih: apt is a really great package management tool, you'll get the hang of it in no time
[03:23] <^thehatsrule^> cause every one of them has its goods
[03:23] <ogra> ^thehatsrule^, but only ubuntu has the ubuntu community ;)
[03:23] <ells> this might sound funny, is there any kind of eq program out there
[03:23] <conner> M_Fatih: you might want to stick with Apache1.3 then. You have to choose a specific branch of Apache2 for PHP to work securely.
[03:24] <^thehatsrule^> equalizer?
[03:24] <lunitik> ^thehatsrule^: most people are leaving Debian because of the bad release cycle... Ubuntu just makes more sense for the Desktop User...
[03:24] <^thehatsrule^> heh, no offense, but im more to the software first :P
[03:24] <M_Fatih> farruinn, yes i know, i used in suse so many times ago..
[03:24] <farruinn> M_Fatih: ah, I see
[03:25] <JDahl> lunitik, as a desktop user once you have Debian installed, you dont really need more releases... I chose Ubuntu over Debian because how nicely everything is configured
[03:25] <ells> does anyone know a good equalizer program for rhythmbox
[03:25] <^thehatsrule^> cant you use alsamix?
[03:25] <ells> ahhh, never tried
[03:25] <ells> guess I could
[03:25] <^thehatsrule^> heh
[03:26] <^thehatsrule^> if youre using KDE, use kmix?
[03:26] <ells> is it already preinstalled doyou know
[03:26] <^thehatsrule^> yes, if you have alsa prolly ;p
[03:26] <^thehatsrule^> or, you could find/locate *mix*
[03:26] <^thehatsrule^> hehe
[03:26] <lunitik> JDahl: true enough... I used Debian for 4 years without ever reinstalling on one box... but for new users, thats not acceptable... and the stigma for using Unstable is not popular...
[03:27] <zenwhen>  vcccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccc
[03:27] <zenwhen> oops
[03:27] <ogra> kittikittikitti
[03:27] <farruinn> sticky key eh?
[03:27] <^thehatsrule^> well if either if i like ubuntu... or not, my next ones are slack,debian, then gentoo
[03:27] <DarthFrog> zenwhen: Geshundheit!
[03:27] <^thehatsrule^> but now, debian seems not a good choice
[03:28] <zenwhen> :'(
[03:28] <^thehatsrule^> Geshundheit?
[03:28] <zenwhen> he may have thought i had sneezed
[03:29] <zenwhen> i think its a blessing
[03:29] <drspin> qtparted says that my disk is mounted but it's not...
[03:29] <^thehatsrule^> ah
[03:29] <ogra> yup, german
[03:29] <Fackamato> ,
[03:29] <^thehatsrule^> reboot? :P
[03:29] <drspin> what can i do?
[03:29] <zenwhen> when in all actuality i really just let my head hit the keyboard
[03:30] <^thehatsrule^> type df or mount to double check?
[03:30] <drspin> ./dev/hda7             20160796  19119836     16840 100% /
[03:30] <drspin> tmpfs                   257896         0    257896   0% /dev/shm
[03:30] <fgx> here is my dmesg output after some beeps from my laptop: mtrr: 0xd8000000,0x4000000 overlaps existing 0xd8000000,0x200000
[03:30] <drspin> I'm trying to delete hda5 (NTFS) and resize my ext3
[03:30] <fgx> what's that?
[03:30] <elcuco> how is called the application for recording flash "videos"?
[03:30] <limaunion> apokryphos: maybe you can help me, apt-get dist-upgrade finished ok, but I still can't start gdm, /etc/init.d/gdm start doesn't work (no errors, just nothing). dpkg -l | grep xorg shows only 1 package, and dpkg-l | grep -i xfree shows 3, one still version 4.3 (xserver), any idea...?
[03:31] <DarthFrog> drspin: Use cfdisk to delete the partition, then.
[03:31] <farruinn> limaunion: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg
[03:31] <^thehatsrule^> hmm odd... did you already modify something? because then you might have had to reboot
[03:31] <Fackamato> limaunion: what does the logs say?
[03:31] <farruinn> I *think* that will get the dependencies you need
[03:31] <ogra> limaunion, did you make sure you have ubuntu-desktop installed before you upgraded ?
[03:32] <ogra> limaunion, its very important on upgrades
[03:32] <rizla> hello
[03:32] <fgx> ogra, is it safer to have all meta installed before a dist-upgrade?
[03:32] <apokryphos> limaunion: what farruinn said... also, does startx work?
[03:32] <rizla> can someone help me, lease?
[03:33] <JDahl> rizla, what's the problem?
[03:33] <ogra> fgx, yup....you can remove them later again...but thy make sure you gaet all the desired replacements
[03:33] <limaunion> ogra: no, i didn't installed that...
[03:33] <rizla> i've update to kubuntu...
[03:33] <rizla> i'd like to come back to restore gnome..
[03:33] <ogra> rizla, /join #kubuntu
[03:33] <apokryphos> limaunion: you should, then. It's a metapackage with all the dependencies.
[03:33] <ogra> rizla, oh
[03:33] <fgx> ogra, ok thx.
[03:33] <apokryphos> limaunion: or rather... depends on all the necessary stuff.
[03:34] <gratuit> does anyone know how to tell nautilus to not draw the background? I don't need icons and I'd rather just not have it run when gnome starts
[03:34] <fgx> ogra, what do you think about: mtrr: 0xd8000000,0x4000000 overlaps existing 0xd8000000,0x200000 in dmesg?
[03:34] <limaunion> apokryphos: but ogra says 'before' and here http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes says after (now for me ;) )
[03:34] <apokryphos> limaunion: before is best
[03:34] <ogra> limaunion, it doesnt matter when ;)
[03:35] <apokryphos> ogra: well, surely you want to install it before a dist-upgrade?
[03:35] <ogra> limaunion, just have it there at some point in the upgrade process
[03:35] <apokryphos> ogra: or are you referring to before the updating of the sources?
[03:35] <farruinn> gratuit: if you can find the gconf key the command you want is nautilus --no-desktop
[03:36] <ogra> apokryphos, as i said, it doesnt matter, if you install it, it will care for the necessary replacements
[03:36] <apokryphos> Eek, oh yeah.
[03:36] <limaunion> ogra: ok, ...a lot of packages were left it seems, 126...
[03:36] <Fackamato> hm
[03:36] <Fackamato> how do I reinstlal gtk?
[03:37] <DarthFrog> Fackamato: Use Synaptic, search for gtk and mark it for re-installation.
[03:38] <Fackamato> doh
[03:38] <Fackamato> i'm used to the terminal
[03:38] <Fackamato> thakns
[03:38] <ogra> rizla,  removing libqt3c102 will remove everything that depends on it (KDE and friends) installing ubuntu-desktop will pull in all the gnome stuff again
[03:38] <farruinn> Fackamato: your gtk2-engines-* packages
[03:39] <geneo91> screw that channel you get kicked if you even paste two lines that even look the same
[03:39] <geneo91> azureus-users channel
[03:40] <farruinn> geneo91: still battling, eh?
[03:40] <lunitik> geneo91: why are you telling us?
[03:40] <geneo91> fucking ediots
[03:40] <geneo91> cause i cant tell them
[03:41] <geneo91> i got kicked 4 times
[03:41] <geneo91> azbot
[03:41] <ogra> geneo91, use #flood and point them there
[03:42] <apokryphos> or a pastebin service
[03:42] <geneo91> i not going to use it since they are such asshloe
[03:43] <_joey> is ubuntu good?
[03:43] <elcuco> where can i find vnc2swf for ubuntu? do i need to install it from debian unstable?
[03:43] <elcuco> _joey, no, it's a piece of crap, install XP.
[03:43] <geneo91> azureus sucks now
[03:43] <fgx> my laptop here is making a kind of funny concert :-) this is my dmesg: mtrr: 0xd8000000,0x4000000 overlaps existing 0xd8000000,0x200000 everyone is welcome to help me stopping the music :-)
[03:43] <_joey> elcuco you said it, troll:)
[03:43] <elcuco> _joey, nice question on a #ubuntu channel :)
[03:43] <DonL> joey, you ask that on this channel?
[03:44] <_joey> where else?
[03:44] <DonL> Personally, I think it rocks bigtime
[03:44] <DarthFrog> _joey: Good compared to what? To XP?  To Debian?  To green cheese?
[03:44] <elcuco> #mandrake for example...
[03:44] <geneo91> yeah use xp with out fire wall and 5 minutes you have every known virus
[03:44] <elcuco> geneo91, i got one on 30 secs on usage
[03:44] <_joey> hmm, I can tell this distro attracts trolls
[03:44] <_joey> :))
[03:45] <DonL> geneo91, lucky to get 30 seconds
[03:45] <DarthFrog> _joey: I think most of us here would say that Ubuntu is very good indeed.
[03:45] <DonL> lol
[03:45] <geneo91> DonL:  i have dial up so it takes longer
[03:45] <geneo91> hehe
[03:45] <elcuco> anyway... i am trying to add debian repository, and it tells me "The following signa                                           tures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available". is this covered on some faq?
[03:46] <apokryphos> _joey: no distro is perfect for everyone. Ubuntu is very nice, for several reasons. See the site on some of these.
[03:46] <DarthFrog> elcuco: You can ignore that.
[03:46] <geneo91> elcuco:  is that for hoary
[03:46] <DarthFrog> elcuco: You probably got that from marilliat.
[03:46] <Fackamato> http://www.tehjunkyard.net/pics/emulation/rollcage_superbowl
[03:46] <M_Fatih> apt-get install apache + apt-get install php + apt-get install mysql  ??
[03:46] <Fackamato> anyone beat that?
[03:46] <Fackamato> no cheats
[03:46] <apokryphos> _joey: trolls are actually reasonably rare in here. Only experienced a few myself.
[03:46] <Fackamato> mysql-veser
[03:46] <beefsprocket> anyone having problems with inotify and 2.6.11?
[03:46] <DarthFrog> M_Fatih: Use && instead of +
[03:47] <elcuco> well, i cant ignore it. since the package i want is on debian
[03:47] <M_Fatih> noo not + :)
[03:47] <crimsun> beefsprocket: 2.6.11-0.2?
[03:47] <beefsprocket> hmm, not sure
[03:47] <beefsprocket> can't uname since it locks my system
[03:47] <beefsprocket> (the kernel that is)
[03:47] <DonL> _joey, this site is excellent
[03:47] <crimsun> beefsprocket: boot with "noinotify"
[03:47] <beefsprocket> tried that
[03:47] <beefsprocket> no good
[03:47] <hypa7ia> hey beefsprocket!
[03:47] <beefsprocket> hey!
[03:47] <beefsprocket> how goes?
[03:47] <beefsprocket> thought that might be you
[03:47] <crimsun> beefsprocket: then you should be using 2.6.10-28
[03:47] <hypa7ia> nabad, you?
[03:48] <beefsprocket> well, busy
[03:48] <beefsprocket> hmm, 2.6.10... having a hard time with lufs and sound card drivers
[03:48] <beefsprocket> so either way...
[03:48] <hypa7ia> beefsprocket: yup, on here the nick hypatia is taken
[03:48] <beefsprocket> hypatia: how's the lack of school treating you?
[03:49] <hypa7ia> beefsprocket: very well :-)
[03:49] <beefsprocket> lucky
[03:58] <drspin> OH NO!! could someone help me?
[03:58] <SysFail> OH NO!!
[03:58] <drspin> partioning - grub and whatnot
[03:59] <drspin> I booted off the Live CD so I could use fdisk to repartition my drive... I deleted my NTFS partion and wrote the new table... when I try and boot the system, Grub gives me "Error 22"
[04:01] <geneo91> driver numbers changed
[04:01] <geneo91> drive
[04:02] <Dillweed> hi all.  I was wondering if there was the possibility of getting an i686 release of ubunut?
[04:03] <geneo91> Dillweed:  you may allready have 686
[04:04] <Dillweed> i mean more that just the kernel
[04:04] <Dillweed> the whole system compiled for an i686 and not i386. (am I referring to this in the correct way)
[04:04] <geneo91> well the packages are configured to that
[04:05] <memcmeme> ahoy
[04:05] <Dillweed> are the packages compiled for an i386 or an i686?
[04:05] <SysFail> argh mateys
[04:05] <memcmeme> how is everyone here?
[04:05] <Dillweed> memcmeme, good and you?
[04:05] <geneo91> Dillweed:  just recompile them all or just get sources
[04:05] <zerovertex> argh yourself ya scurvey dog
[04:06] <Dillweed> geneo91, easier said than done, eh?  I've been trying to get apt-build to work but so far ubuntu repositories don't have the source list for downloads just the packages
[04:06] <SysFail> argh...we wants the redhead
[04:06] <geneo91> sure they do
[04:08] <Dillweed> how do I get the source packages with apt-get ?
[04:08] <memcmeme> I am doing just swell
[04:08] <geneo91> apt-get --help
[04:08] <crimsun> Dillweed: apt-get source <package>
[04:08] <DarthFrog> Dillweed: apt-get source
[04:08] <Dillweed> lol ok ok i get it.
[04:09] <drspin> geneo91, I don't understand how deleting hda6 would affect anything else on the drive... unless fdisk wrote a bad partiaion table... but then why would I be able to mount /dev/hda5 normally?
[04:10] <geneo91> drspin:  is your ubuntu install after hda6
[04:13] <Dillweed> my next question is does it really make a difference to have programs compile for i386 or i686?
[04:13] <memcmeme> I need some help
[04:14] <memcmeme> I am trying install UT2K3 Demo
[04:14] <memcmeme> its an executable, but it says it can't execute the binary
[04:14] <SysFail> chmod +x utk3
[04:14] <Dillweed> memcmeme, who's the owner of the binary?
[04:14] <SysFail> the filename
[04:14] <SysFail> chmod +x filenamehere
[04:14] <geneo91> use wine
[04:15] <SysFail> then itll execute
[04:15] <memcmeme> I am
[04:15] <^thehatsrule^> sysfail hehe
[04:15] <^thehatsrule^> will fail
[04:15] <^thehatsrule^> :P
[04:15] <memcmeme> I am using the Linux demo
[04:15] <memcmeme> dude
[04:15] <memcmeme> I don't need wine for that
[04:15] <SysFail> I already did it
[04:15] <SysFail> the +x worked
[04:15] <geneo91> oh
[04:15] <^thehatsrule^> whats +x ?
[04:16] <^thehatsrule^> execute?
[04:16] <SysFail> sets it to executable
[04:16] <SysFail> then you can do ./filenamehere
[04:16] <memcmeme> I know
[04:16] <memcmeme> that is exactly what i did
[04:17] <^thehatsrule^> WOW!
[04:17] <^thehatsrule^> fast boot for livecd :)
[04:17] <SysFail> speaking of boot
[04:17] <SysFail> synaptic just did a major upgrade
[04:17] <SysFail> brb
[04:18] <geneo91> mines slow no matter what i boot with 6 scsi drives
[04:18] <limaunion> Well I finally upgraded to Hoary, but after starting gnome I get a big dialog box 'error: failed to initialize HAL!', any idea what's going on ?
[04:19] <Quinn_Storm> limaunion: are you sure you're running a 2.6 kernel?
[04:19] <limaunion> quinn_storm: yes, a self-compiled kernel (2.6.11) that worked ok with Warty
[04:19] <geneo91> limaunion:  you need to reboot
[04:19] <DanC_ub> btw... I switched to hoary a while ago; I did an apt-get upgrade tonight and it upgraded zillions of packages, but none of it seems visible. Is there anything new/cool that I could/should look for?
[04:20] <limaunion> geneo91: i already rebooted the system
[04:20] <Quinn_Storm> limaunion: okay, is hald running?
[04:20] <memcmeme> anyone know why this bloody thing wont execute?
[04:20] <limaunion> Quinn_Storm: yes, it's running
[04:20] <geneo91> memcmeme:  try it in console
[04:21] <DanC_ub> hmm... osd, alsa, esd, polypaudio, jack... http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DrainingTheLinuxAudioSwamp indeed!
[04:21] <Quinn_Storm> limaunion: I don't know then, b/c if hald is running you shouldn't have any trouble...but I don 't use gnome so...nor have I ever had trouble with hal
[04:22] <keffo> hm, in my homedir i got 2 dirs i want to show on desk.. best way to do this? create a link and drag-n-drop to desk?
[04:22] <limaunion> Quinn_Storm: ok, thanks anyway, will see what can i do
[04:22] <keffo> the thing is, that little blue arrow annyos me
[04:22] <Quinn_Storm> limaunion: sorry I couldn't help more
[04:22] <memcmeme> geneo91 are you on #flood?
[04:22] <limaunion> Quinn_Storm: np
[04:24] <memcmeme> I posted the feedback of that on Flood
[04:24] <^thehatsrule^> flood?
[04:24] <Dillweed> no one answered my question?  why is ubuntu only compiled for an i386?
[04:24] <^thehatsrule^> no... its not
[04:24] <^thehatsrule^> theres other architechtures as well
[04:24] <^thehatsrule^> check downloads mehtinks
[04:24] <Dillweed> i don't mean architechtures
[04:25] <^thehatsrule^> huh?
[04:25] <Dillweed> why don't they compile for an i686 processor?
[04:25] <speel> Dillweed, well beacause its widley used
[04:25] <^thehatsrule^> well in terms of i386... thats architechture
[04:25] <memcmeme> so what should I do?
[04:25] <^thehatsrule^> oh, optimized for?
[04:25] <Dillweed> to take advange of the improvements in the i686?
[04:25] <Dillweed> optimized is a better word :)(
[04:25] <^thehatsrule^> i suppose you try using boot options, like to turn on mce and so forth
[04:26] <^thehatsrule^> since its debian based?
[04:26] <speel> Dillweed, well ubuntu is not aimed toward optimization :P
[04:26] <memcmeme> NEVERMIND, the bastard mirror said it was the Linux demo but its the bloody windows demo
[04:26] <memcmeme> sorry about that
[04:27] <Dillweed> speel, true, however, if ubuntu is mainly aimed at desktop users, wouldn't it be advangateous to optimize the system?
[04:27] <speel> Dillweed, well what if you have a low powerd cpu?
[04:27] <Quest-Master> Dillweed: You can just upgrade your kernel to 686 if needed
[04:28] <Dillweed> speel, not really, but the other software doesn't take advantage of the processor.
[04:28] <Dillweed> I did upgrade the kernel to i686
[04:28] <speel> Dillweed,  but with i386 it kinda covers all computers
[04:28] <Quest-Master> If we did that Dillweed, we'd leave out all the people with older computers.
[04:28] <Dillweed> speel, that I understand. but honestly how many people still have a 386
[04:29] <Quest-Master> Lots.
[04:29] <Dillweed> even the pentium pro's were 586
[04:29] <^thehatsrule^> heh
[04:29] <Quest-Master> Especially ones that use Linux.
[04:29] <^thehatsrule^> stole me line!
[04:29] <Quest-Master> Because they can use Linux to put those old machines to good use.
[04:29] <speel> Dillweed, with them compiling it for 386 kinda just means every one can use it no matter what
[04:29] <Dillweed> lol, i know.  would it possible put out optimized builds?
[04:29] <JDahl> Dillweed, I think I read that Ubuntu devs are experimented with architecture optimized prebuild packages to see if it makes a difference
[04:30] <geneo91> if you like waiting a week for gui to load
[04:30] <speel> Dillweed, lol yea defently but i daught there worryed about archs right now
[04:31] <fgx> do you know if/when ubuntu will support floppy install?
[04:31] <Dillweed> speel, understandable.
[04:31] <speel> :)
[04:31] <Dillweed> I've been using (don't shoot me) gentoo for the past 1.5 years and really like the speed, but can't stand the compile times.
[04:32] <^thehatsrule^`> yay
[04:32] <limaunion> previously i reported that i was having some trouble while trying to update via apt-get, am i wrong or the example at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary is wrong ? i mean, doesn't need to be a / at the end of the repositories?
[04:32] <JDahl> Dillweed, but I guess that typical user tasks arent particularly CPU intensive... what kind of packages would you like to see optimized?
[04:32] <speel> fgx, i dont think they will , i personally never found a article about it
[04:32] <^thehatsrule^`> <-- on ubuntu :)
[04:32] <Dillweed> JDahl, well honestly all of them.  especially the frontend stuff.  gnome, firefox, etc.
[04:33] <fgx> speel, :-( don't know how to do install ubuntu from sarge floppy
[04:33] <Dillweed> it seems that the developers of the compilers should eliminate the optimizing code, because it seems no one is taking advantage of it.
[04:34] <JDahl> Dillweed, on a modern PC I find it hard to believe that optimizing those kind of packages makes a real difference, but I might be wrong... I use a lot of software for numerical analysis, and there arch optimization makes a huge difference
[04:34] <speel> hey any one knows if amd athlon xp is a k7?
[04:34] <^thehatsrule^`> how much ram should i need to run a livecd?
[04:34] <speel> ^thehatsrule^, i think 128 is minimum
[04:34] <geneo91> 128 min
[04:34] <^thehatsrule^`> Mem:    191664k total,   181296k used,    10368k free,     5708k buffers
[04:35] <^thehatsrule^`> cause that says i have 181mb used :<
[04:35] <Dillweed> JDahl, I agree with you.  I've noticed on my gentoo systems programs that were optimized for an athlon-xp in general load faster then in ubuntu.
[04:35] <Dillweed> speel, i believe the athlon xp is an k7
[04:35] <speel> yea thats what i figured
[04:35] <speel> hmm i wonder if its worth it to upgrade it to the k7
[04:36] <Dillweed> upgrade what?
[04:36] <speel> the kernel to k7
[04:36] <Dillweed> imo it does.
[04:36] <pantz> when i insert my SD card from my camera into my card reader it comes up with an icon on the desktop called 'DIMAGE' - anyone know where I go to customize the name?
[04:36] <pantz> I have grepped for DIMAGE and not found it anywhere
[04:37] <speel> would i have to remove the 386 then install the k7?
[04:37] <Dillweed> speel, no
[04:37] <pantz> speel, install k7 then remove 386
[04:37] <Dillweed> speel, when you upgrade the kernel it automatically sets it in the grub menu.lst
[04:37] <speel> bah thats what i ment lol thanks
[04:37] <pantz> hehe
[04:37] <Dillweed> you can have both on the same system and be fine.
[04:37] <JDahl> speel, or keep 386 as a backup
[04:38] <Dillweed> i generally have 3-4 old kernels that I haven't deleted
[04:38] <farruinn> anyone know how to create startup items for non-gnome sessions? (e.g. enlightenment or fluxbox)
[04:38] <nekrataal> hi there
[04:38] <speel> just down load the linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-5-k7 and thats it?
[04:39] <Quinn_Storm> farruinn: they didn't come with sessions? on debian-based systems they should install them automatically and you'd just have to reload gdm to get them to show up in the menu
[04:39] <nekrataal> one question....how do i change my screen reslution on ubuntu??, i edited the file xorg.conf adding the new resolutions i want, but even restarting X server they arent show in the Gnome reslution...
[04:39] <arek> fluxbox shows up in gdm
[04:40] <farruinn> Quinn_Storm: I've got sessions in /usr/share/xsessions/ but they're .desktop files, I can't just add things to it (like gnome-settings-daemon &)
[04:40] <speel> hey any developers / programmers in here suggest a pretty decent for an 11th grade HS student :P ??
[04:40] <JDahl> nekrataal, system->preferences->screen resolution
[04:40] <farruinn> arek: yup, I used fluxbox's file to create one for enlightenment =)
[04:40] <speel> pretty decent programming lanuage**
[04:40] <crimsun> speel: python, Java, C++
[04:41] <JDahl> what's decent about C++?
[04:41] <speel> python .. i heard alot about it
[04:41] <nekrataal> JDahl, yes, i know, but there apears only 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768..
[04:41] <speel> its is pretty straight foward to learn?
[04:41] <crimsun> JDahl: it's good to be knowledgable about those three at least
[04:41] <nekrataal> and i want more, that why i edited the xorg.conf...but they dont appear to work..
[04:41] <geneo91> python rox
[04:41] <fgx> nekrataal, do you have lcd?
[04:42] <Quinn_Storm> nekrataal: are you sure your monitor can support the resolutions?
[04:42] <ells> does anyone know if there is a quictime plugin for the internet
[04:42] <geneo91> ubuntu is python oriented
[04:42] <speel> brb going to restart to my brandnew kern :)
[04:42] <Quest-Master> ells: Only if you have Crossover Office which costs money
[04:42] <nekrataal> yes, its best resolution is 1280x1024@110Mhz
[04:43] <ells> Quest-Master: I acutally have it but not installed
[04:43] <Dillweed> who can I get in contact with to see about optimizing ubuntu for a 686?
[04:43] <Quest-Master> ells: Install it then and use the Quicktime plugin included :)
[04:43] <ells> Quest-Master; it did not work well with hoary before
[04:43] <Quest-Master> :o
[04:43] <Quest-Master> Works fine for me
[04:43] <ells> Quest-Master; it worked well with warty though
[04:43] <ells> Quest-Master: which version do you have
[04:43] <JDahl> Dillweed, first browse through the forums
[04:44] <nekrataal> nobody ?
[04:45] <Quest-Master> ells: 4.1
[04:45] <JDahl> nekrataal, what you're doing sounds right... maybe try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[04:45] <nekrataal> ok, ill take some sleep, c-ya guys
[04:45] <ells> I will check and see what I have
[04:49] <Dillweed> ok, thanks for the help all
[04:49] <Dillweed> have a good one.
[04:49] <ells> Quest-Master, I have pro4.1
[04:49] <ells> I can try it again
[04:50] <Quest-Master> Ok
[04:50] <ells> Quest-Master, do you have the nice interactive screen
[04:52] <PlasmaPain> any one alive here ?
[04:52] <HrdwrBoB> no
[04:53] <HrdwrBoB> I'm undead, but I still use ubuntu
[04:53] <PlasmaPain> i was strating to think all this nicks was buried
[04:53] <PlasmaPain> and this was a cemitery
[04:54] <Absenth> I don't suppose anyone knows off the top of their head which commands I need to run to reconfigure the nvidia kernel module.
[04:54] <HrdwrBoB> you've been here for three minutes
[04:54] <HrdwrBoB> Absenth: erm.. what do you mean
[04:54] <Absenth> I just changed to the k7 specific kernel, and currently x won't boot with the "nvidia" driver.
[04:54] <PlasmaPain> HrdwrBoB: you dont cary a shovvel bye any chance ?
[04:54] <HrdwrBoB> apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[04:54] <HrdwrBoB> should do it
[04:55] <HrdwrBoB> PlasmaPain: I keep one handy
[04:55] <Absenth> it's failing on the kernel module.  I know on fedora I just re-ran the .run script, but I have no idea where apt puts such things.
[04:55] <HrdwrBoB> Absenth: apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[04:56] <HrdwrBoB> well, sudo apt-get [etc]
[04:56] <Quinn_Storm> what if you can't find any linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) package? (I'm on hoary...have all the repositories enabled I think...maybe not...using stock kernel, uname-r is 2.6.10-5-386)
[04:56] <ells> is anyone using crossover
[04:56] <HrdwrBoB> Quinn_Storm: there should be a 2.6.10-5 I think, if not, revert to -4
[04:56] <PlasmaPain> any one runed ubuntu securty tests ?
[04:56] <Quinn_Storm> HrdwrBoB: there doesn't appear to be any linux-restricted-modules packages, at least according to aptitude
[04:56] <PlasmaPain> what is ububtu rating ?
[04:57] <Quinn_Storm> HrdwrBoB: what repository are they in? I have main universe & multiverse enabled
[04:57] <HrdwrBoB> main
[04:57] <M_Fatih> hi all, i have a problem with management in apache..
[04:57] <LinuxJones> PlasmaPain, on distrowatch we are #1
[04:57] <ells> is anyone using crossover, just curious
[04:57] <HrdwrBoB> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386 - Non-free Linux 2.6.10 modules on 386
[04:57] <Absenth> LinuxJones, is that #1 for popularity, or for security
[04:57] <Absenth> Ells, I've got Crossover running.
[04:57] <PlasmaPain> #1 what ?
[04:57] <Quinn_Storm> HrdwrBoB: odd indeed...let me check... deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main universe multiverse that correct?
[04:58] <M_Fatih> i installed but /etc/init.d/apache2 initscript doesn't work, i'm using apache2ctl script.. :(
[04:58] <ells> Absenth, is it on warty or hoary
[04:58] <LinuxJones> Absenth, pop :D
[04:58] <Absenth> hoary,
[04:58] <HrdwrBoB> Quinn_Storm: yes
[04:58] <ells> Absenth, do you have the nice graphical layout with it
[04:58] <HrdwrBoB> pool/restricted/l/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386_<IP_ADDRESS>-8_i386.deb
[04:58] <Absenth> Ells, I'm also running Transgaming 4.3
[04:58] <Quinn_Storm> HrdwrBoB: well I've apt-get updated (no errors) and the package doesn't seem to be there...
[04:58] <ells> Absenth, what is Transgaming
[04:58] <Absenth> ells, "nice graphical layout"  be more specific please.
[04:58] <Quinn_Storm> ooooh, "restricted"....I need to add that repository
[04:58] <sabmoc> Absenth: dont they call that cedega now?
[04:58] <Absenth> ells, Transgaming = the makers of wineX also known as Cedega
[04:59] <HrdwrBoB> well cedega
[04:59] <HrdwrBoB> formerly known as winex
[04:59] <Absenth> HrdwrBoB, Danke, for the apt-get line, worked like a charm.
[04:59] <ells> Absenth, well in past with hoary, the graphical part wont come up, have to launch files thru console
[04:59] <HrdwrBoB> Absenth: excellent :)
[04:59] <Quinn_Storm> HrdwrBoB: I needed to add "restricted" to my repository
[04:59] <HrdwrBoB> ah yes
[04:59] <HrdwrBoB> of course
[04:59] <HrdwrBoB> I'm a tard :)
[04:59] <sabmoc> I used to run it back in the winex days, it worked pretty good for deus ex and a few others.
[04:59] <ells> Absenth, are the programs listed in your applications menu
[05:00] <JDahl> will either bazaar or bazaar-ng become sourceforge projects, or will development be kept inside Canonical?
[05:00] <sabmoc> HrdwrBoB: dont feel bad, a lot of people are tardy.
[05:00] <Absenth> ells, nope, they sure aren't
[05:00] <HrdwrBoB> sabmoc: heh I take solace in the fact that lots of people are worse than me
[05:00] <ells> Absenth, so how do you run your files, just curious
[05:00] <Absenth> ells, I guess I haven't tried Crossover since upgrading to Hoary.
[05:00] <jdub> JDahl: they won't go on sourceforge, but they're entirely public
[05:00] <sabmoc> Absenth: you may have to restart gnome to get apps populating your menu list
[05:00] <jdub> JDahl: don't have to be on sourceforge to be a free software project... :)
[05:01] <ells> Absenth, after you install in hoary, you have to use it by going thru console.
[05:01] <sabmoc> jdub: doesnt microsoft even have a few programs on sourceforge now?
[05:01] <PlasmaPain> you need to be in savanah
[05:01] <jdub> sabmoc: indeed.
[05:01] <ells> Absenth, you have to install all your programs when you install crossover
[05:01] <calc> anyone notice xorg not driving monitors as high as it used to?
[05:01] <sabmoc> I seem to remember some xml app from microsoft on sourceforge
[05:01] <Quinn_Storm> wow, ubuntu is third only to mandrake & fedora and its actually tied with fedora (on distrowatch)...I'm quite glad to see this
[05:01] <ells> Abseth, crossover wont come up again after
[05:01] <Quinn_Storm> oh, no, only almost tied
[05:01] <calc> i hadn't logged out in hoary in a few weeks and now when i did its only doing 1600x1200 75
[05:01] <JDahl> jdub, are people outside Canonical involved in any of those projects?
[05:02] <jdub> http://distrowatch.com/stats.php?section=popularity
[05:02] <calc> and the monitor change app only shows 60hz as an option
[05:02] <jdub> JDahl: absolutely
[05:02] <PlasmaPain> dont you think that distrowatch ratings are being manipulated ?
[05:02] <jdub> JDahl: quite a few arch hackers are contributing to baz, and martin is already receiving patches for bzr (which is very new)
[05:02] <ells> Absenth, can you use any of your programs
[05:02] <LinuxJones> Ubuntu is kicking ass :)
[05:03] <sabmoc> jdub: hey, can you tell me what to do with my life? I need to figure it out someday.
[05:03] <linux_galore> yeah Ubuntu/Kubuntu is a breath of fresh air for debianites
[05:03] <sabmoc> wow, ubuntu is kicking ass
[05:03] <Quinn_Storm> yeah, (k)ubuntu is pretty great
[05:03] <linux_galore> reminds me I need to burn the kubuntu live cd
[05:03] <Absenth> ells, currently no, but the only program I had installed on this machine was acrobat reader.
[05:04] <PlasmaPain> any one hacked ubuntu yet ?
[05:04] <sabmoc> Quinn_Storm: kubuntu isnt on the list, is it considered part of ubuntu or a different distro?
[05:04] <jdub> sabmoc: both
[05:04] <ells> Absenth, you will have to go thru console go to the file and ./file
[05:04] <linux_galore> actually I was wondering what kernel security patched the Ubuntu guys use as default
[05:04] <linux_galore> patches
[05:04] <sabmoc> jdub: hows that?
[05:04] <Absenth> PlasmaPain, Expect Ubuntu to be on par with Debian of a similar kernel version.
[05:04] <jdub> Quinn_Storm: but it's extraordinarily new
[05:05] <calc> oh hmm actually i misread the monitor its running in 60hz mode now no wonder my eyes were buggin out
[05:05] <jdub> sabmoc: it's both part of ubuntu and a different distribution
[05:05] <speel> woo was i almost screwd lol i installed the k7 and restarted .. then xserver dident want to load
[05:05] <calc> ah it overwrote my xorg.conf with bad values
[05:05] <PlasmaPain> what kernel is in kunbutu ?
[05:06] <speel> xfree86 that is
[05:06] <sabmoc> so then whoever makes ubuntu actually makes two distrobutions, makes sence, i think novel makes `suse` as well as `novel desktop`
[05:06] <jdub> PlasmaPain: same as ubuntu, 2.6.10
[05:06] <linux_galore> does Ubuntu use the  GRSecurity and PaX  kernel patches
[05:06] <inphlict> Hey guys
[05:06] <sabmoc> and redhat makes redhat and fedora
[05:06] <inphlict> I need some help
[05:06] <speel> dont we all?
[05:06] <inphlict> how do I install a xmms skin?
[05:06] <sabmoc> i dont
[05:07] <crimsun> inphlict: unzip/untar it in ~/.xmms/Skins/
[05:07] <PlasmaPain> debian makes lots of them but for difrent archs
[05:07] <inphlict> thnx
[05:07] <jdub> sabmoc: no, the ubuntu team develops ubuntu and the kubuntu team develops kubuntu. we share almost everything, just have different desktop focus.
[05:07] <speel> inphlict, well theres a few ways .. did you ever add the extra repos?
[05:07] <jdub> linux_galore: no
[05:08] <sabmoc> jdub: ok that makes much more sence, do both teams work for the same company? Is it the Canonical company? (I am new to ubuntu)
[05:08] <linux_galore> jdub: so Ubuntu is open for many of the new kernel hacks that are missing on the default tree
[05:08] <Absenth> linux_galore, a Google for +ubuntu +GRSecurity, as well as +ubuntu +pax both show hits.
[05:08] <speel> sabmoc, ubuntu is part of canonical
[05:08] <calc> hmm i see a bug in the about ubuntu yelp, the main page has no desc on the left hand side
[05:08] <Absenth> linux_galore, I'd assume if it's not, "default" it can be implimented.
[05:08] <jdub> linux_galore: no
[05:08] <inphlict> okay skins works now
[05:09] <inphlict> crimsun: thanks
[05:09] <crimsun> inphlict: np
[05:09] <linux_galore> jdub: so you do patch the kernels
[05:09] <sabmoc> speel: I dont understand now, is there a company called "Ubuntu LInux"? maybe thats the fact I am missing.
[05:09] <jdub> sabmoc: canonical sponsors some of the developers, yes
[05:09] <jdub> linux_galore: yes
[05:09] <fgx> jdub, do you think ubuntu will have boot/install floppy in the future?afaik now you have to boot from sarge floppy. am i wrong?
[05:09] <jdub> sabmoc: no, ubuntu is the distro, canonical sponsors its development
[05:09] <inphlict> This is the skin http://anka.org/henrik/humanxmms/
[05:09] <linux_galore> jdub: now Im confused
[05:09] <speel> sabmoc, ubunut is just a project for canocail or how ever you spell it
[05:09] <speel> ubuntu*
[05:09] <PlasmaPain> what canonical means ?
[05:09] <jdub> fgx: unlikely
[05:09] <speel> no idea lol sounds like some kinda camra
[05:10] <PlasmaPain> is it religin ?
[05:10] <PlasmaPain> religion ?
[05:10] <speel> lol
[05:10] <calc> orthodox
[05:10] <jdub> PlasmaPain: look up canonical in your GNOME dictionary
[05:10] <PlasmaPain> isnt canonical like some saint ?
[05:10] <sabmoc> Ubuntu is a free community project (i think) who has some sponsored developers working on it (sponsored by Canonical). Correct?
[05:10] <sysfail> anybody using win4lin???...please let me know
[05:10] <Absenth> or JFGI
[05:10] <PlasmaPain> i dont have gnome
[05:10] <jdub> sabmoc: yes
[05:10] <PlasmaPain> you tell me
[05:11] <mach> is there any way to install ubuntu through internet?
[05:11] <mach> I don't have a cd recorder
[05:11] <sabmoc> well... now that I've wraped up the mystery of the Ubuntu project, what should I do with my life now?
[05:12] <calc> mach: you may be able to pxe netboot and install it, not certain
[05:12] <geneo91> mach:  you could do a hd install
[05:12] <PlasmaPain> whats the mystery of ubuntu ?
[05:12] <Absenth> sabmoc, you should sell all your belongings, and send the proceeds to my bank account so I can hire my legions of doom, and take over the world.
[05:12] <linux_galore> woohoo desktop loading
[05:12] <speel> hack it with a axe
[05:12] <sabmoc> PlasmaPain: dont start that again.
[05:12] <linux_galore> ack need to fix the resolution
[05:12] <PlasmaPain> what ?
[05:12] <PlasmaPain> is it a secret ?
[05:12] <sabmoc> Absenth: my wife doesnt like that idea very much.
[05:12] <speel> ubuntu is a world consiprisy lol
[05:13] <Absenth> sabmoc, My wife wouldn't like it if the tables were reversed, but she did laugh.
[05:13] <mach> geneo91, hmm, how can I do that? some documentation anywhere?
[05:13] <sabmoc> hahah
[05:13] <Absenth> sabmoc, maybe we should go in together, and be joint evil overlords?
[05:13] <PlasmaPain> is ubuntu the crusareds distro ?
[05:13] <speel> lol are there ever any ubuntu developers in here?
[05:14] <jdub> speel: always
[05:14] <geneo91> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/
[05:14] <speel> they hide :P
[05:14] <linux_galore> ok got kubuntu up and going.............niiice
[05:14] <sabmoc> Absenth: that has a nice ring to it, what are you two doing for brunch next tuesday? I'll have my evil horde call your evil horde.
[05:14] <PlasmaPain> use kubuntu
[05:14] <mach> calc, what's pxe?
[05:14] <linux_galore> yeah kde 3.4 supports svg wallpaper now
[05:14] <Absenth> sabmoc, heh.
[05:15] <PlasmaPain> what is svg wallpaper ?
[05:15] <farruinn> linux_galore: gnome doesn't?
[05:15] <linux_galore> PlasmaPain: form of vector graphics
[05:15] <madstop> is kubuntu always going to be called kubuntu?    Just my opinion...
[05:15] <linux_galore> farruinn: not that I can see
[05:15] <PlasmaPain> so it suports animations ?
[05:16] <sabmoc> But seriously folks, sabmoc needs your ideas for a career. Im even considering going into technical writing. Thats how low Im stooping.
[05:16] <sirukin> ubuntuk just sounds silly.
[05:16] <Absenth> sabmoc, Mmmm... as evil overlord I could lart them all...
[05:16] <speel> does any one feel weird when they say the word "ubuntu" to some one new to linux? i feel like im a space alien somtimes
[05:16] <sirukin> so no, kubuntu will always be kubuntu
[05:16] <jdub> madstop: why? it's a rad name
[05:16] <Absenth> sabmoc, where roughly in the world are ya
[05:16] <linux_galore> PlasmaPain: no just single svg image files....means you dont need different wallpaper resolutions for different screen sizes....one image fits all
[05:16] <sabmoc> Im Canadian, eh.
[05:16] <sirukin> I only say ubuntu when I know I'm talking to someone african
[05:16] <speel> lol
[05:16] <calc> mach: preboot execution environment, allows you to boot off the network on x86 systems
[05:16] <PlasmaPain> everything starts with a K
[05:17] <mach> calc, thanks
[05:17] <sirukin> which is rare, so it's usually, "This totally awesome opensource fully compliant gnu-wise distrobution of linux".
[05:17] <Absenth> I was just in CanEHdia last month.  I hear Alberta has a serious lack of techies.
[05:17] <sirukin> yeah, it's a tongueful
[05:17] <linux_galore> PlasmaPain: not always theres juk and scribus and inkscape
[05:17] <madstop> Here are some nice examples of svg wallpaper-- cool how it scales -- http://www.volvoguy.net/ubuntu/
[05:17] <sabmoc> Absenth: what type of tech's?
[05:17] <madstop> and with transparency!
[05:18] <Absenth> sabmoc, I would guess mostly winders admin types, and desktop support types, but.....
[05:18] <linux_galore> madstop: yeah someone on kde-apps has added a true transparency patch for kde to work with x.org
[05:18] <PlasmaPain> do nvidia driver work in kunbutu ?
[05:18] <sabmoc> madstop: nice wallpaper!
[05:18] <Absenth> sabmoc, I was on vacation, so I didn't really ask too many questions.  I know tech types in Calgary make a lot more then those working for same company, in the same job title, in SaskatALFDAJDFLAOVIEHJAOLJKAWE (since I can't spell it anyway)
[05:18] <jdub> PlasmaPain: it's included
[05:19] <PlasmaPain> the acelarated one ?
[05:19] <madstop> Yeah, sabmoc, that guy's good.
[05:19] <jdub> PlasmaPain: the nvidia closed source driver, yes.
[05:19] <Absenth> PlasmaPain, I'm running Accellerated NVIDIA drivers on the other pc right now.  Using Cedega to play WoW
[05:19] <linux_galore> PlasmaPain: should do works with Ubuntu....... the nvidia driver has nothing to do with gnome or kde
[05:19] <dsl874> lo
[05:19] <PlasmaPain> it has to do with xorg
[05:19] <Quinn_Storm> madstop: it would be neat if the ubuntu wallpaper cycled colors somehow
[05:20] <PlasmaPain> and xorg has to do with them both
[05:20] <linux_galore> must say Ubuntu team did a nice job with kubuntu
[05:20] <Absenth> PlasmaPain, easiest way to install it is through synaptic. however if you want to, by hand works as well.
[05:20] <saber> is ubunto 4.10 based on woody or sarge?
[05:20] <tehats`> um, i just tried running the livecd off my pentium, and it failed on boot!
[05:20] <calc> saber: sarge
[05:20] <tehats`> i thought it was compatible with 386's :/
[05:20] <tehats`> and mines a p1-166
[05:20] <saber> ok: thanks calc... I'm trying to install the qmail .deb
[05:21] <linux_galore> finally a version of Debian with the latest kde desktop that doesnt look like ****
[05:21] <sabmoc> Absenth: yeah, thats pretty typical. I think Linux is much bigger in eastern Canada. Too bad I live in BC though. We are a bit alienated from the rest of our country (too many damn empty provinces full of wheat fields between us and New York!)
[05:21] <madstop> Isn't there some way to at least cycle wallpapers?  or maybe cycle desktop colors, if using transparency?  Maybe every time you log-in?
[05:21] <tehats`> any help? :<<
[05:21] <Absenth> PlasmaPain, acually xorg has very little to do with it.  It has a LOT more to do with the Kernel, and kernel modules.  I ran Warty with Nvidia-GLX, upgraded to Hoary with Nvidia-GLX, and now running a K7 specific kernel on Hoary with nvidia-GLX
[05:21] <Quinn_Storm> madstop: well I know there is in kde
[05:21] <PlasmaPain> knoppix looked freat too
[05:21] <calc> madstop: make a script to modify the config file
[05:21] <Absenth> warty = XF86-4  Hoary = Xorg.  Both work fine.
[05:21] <madstop> I suppose being able to have different wallpaper on different workspaces would be overkill...?
[05:22] <sabmoc> Absenth: Im surprised they even know what computers are in Saskachewan.
[05:22] <tehats`> any... help... ?
[05:22] <PlasmaPain> i dont know nothing about that kernel stuff
[05:22] <speel> dud ubuntu ever fix that issue with nvidia and hoary?
[05:22] <robodex> wheeeeee compositing is fun
[05:22] <Absenth> sabmoc, I was in Okotoks??  (about 30km south of Calgary) feb 12-20
[05:22] <robodex> speel: what issue?
[05:22] <sabmoc> speel: Im on hoary with nvidia and have no issues.
[05:22] <Absenth> speel I'm running it now, so I would say it works fine.
[05:22] <tehats`> eek?
[05:22] <speel> there was some issue with one of the kernels and the nvidia driver
[05:23] <tehats`> no one to help a noob when its needed? :P
[05:23] <linux_galore> yeah I found with the nvidia driver I had to setup a preload for the nvidia module before x tried to use it
[05:23] <Absenth> tehats`, what was the question?
[05:23] <tehats`> why cant the livecd boot on meh pentium 166 :P
[05:23] <PlasmaPain> has any one hacked ubuntu yet ?
[05:23] <sabmoc> tehats`: sometimes you have to really whine for a while until someone notices.
[05:23] <Absenth> tehats`, do I really need to answer that?
[05:23] <tehats`> lol ok
[05:23] <Madiba> sabmoc: i can only load live cd in safemode not noemal and morning
[05:23] <Quinn_Storm> tehats`: how much ram?
[05:24] <Absenth> tehats`, option 1 is of course, will the 166 boot to ANY cd?
[05:24] <tehats`> oh... not enough ram i guess haha
[05:24] <speel> PlasmaPain, well what do you mean hacked ubuntu
[05:24] <tehats`> yes, im running off DSL right now
[05:24] <madstop> tehats, all I can tell you is, in my experience, the cd's need a sloooooow burn -- I've had inconsistent results booting or installing on different machines
[05:24] <PlasmaPain> i mean break in to it
[05:24] <robodex> you'd be hard pressed to find a 166 that'll boot a windows 95 cd...