[03:27] <mup> PR snapd#4512 opened: tests: new spread test for ssh-public-keys interface <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4512>
[17:56] <mup> Bug #1744584 opened: Exclude Snap .cache from Dejadup backups <Déjà Dup:New> <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1744584>
[20:10] <popey> ogra_:  do you know if there is a fix of any kind for the ropey wifi in the nanopi-air?
[21:00] <mup> PR snapd#4513 opened: dirs: fix snap mount dir on Manjaro <Created by mati865> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4513>
[22:01] <memphisto_> hi
[22:02] <memphisto_> i've installed LibreOffice as a snap, and i've noticed that it can't open remote files
[22:02] <memphisto_> it complains they don't exist
[22:02] <memphisto_> but if i copy them to my home it LO can open them
[22:03] <memphisto_> do you know of a workaround or a fix for this
[22:05] <mcphail> memphisto_: you may want to post at https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/call-for-testing-libreoffice-5-4-4/3542 . It may be a use case which has been forgotten about
[22:07] <mcphail> i'd imagine this would open a can of worms about dealing with gvfs etc
[22:10] <memphisto_> hi
[22:11] <memphisto_> sorry i got disconnected; so i'll repeat the question
[22:11] <memphisto_> does anyone now how to fix issue with LibreOffice(snap) can't access files from remote filesystem
[23:16] <gunix> is this thechannel for snapd ?


[11:51] <thorwil> iainfarrell: hi! i hope you have or will notice doctormo's edit to UbuntuFreeCultureShowcase, changing the link for "illustrative" wallpapers from deviantart to flickr
[11:51] <thorwil> iainfarrell: it would be good if you could remove your redundant deviantart group
[17:36] <thorwil> doctormo: shouldn't that be "_Which_ Creative Commons License should i use?"
[17:39] <thorwil> doctormo: not wanting credit does not rule out a need or desire to protect against exploitation via privatization
[17:39] <doctormo> thorwil: Both Which and What are valid.
[17:39] <doctormo> thorwil: The problem is, not wanting credit falls outside of creative commons
[17:40] <doctormo> And most artists do want credit, or they push it off into the public domain and deny they ever made it.
[17:41] <thorwil> hmm
[17:48] <thorwil> doctormo: if i may note something stylistically, the tips of the arrows shouldn't be in the boxes, but rather stop before or within the box outlines
[17:49]  * thorwil -> dinner
[17:50] <doctormo> thorwil: I agree on the style note, I blame inkscape.
[17:50] <doctormo> I had enough trouble trying to make inkscape not crash.
[18:29] <thorwil> over here, inkscape tends to crash only when pulling strokes in bezier editing


[19:23] <xnox> cjwatson: wgrant: I believe i've address colin's review comments about https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/launchpad/update-maintenance-check-3/+merge/194778 is there anything else needed to land it?


[01:34] <TJ-> Finally tracked down why Abiword starts every session. Something to do with kde-telepathy and the abiword Dbus service: bug 1495336
[03:13] <ahoneybun> valorie: ping: #kubuntu-council is alive
[04:49] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: join #kubuntu-council
[04:55] <valorie> also Mamarok, yofel and anybody else interested
[09:54] <apol> I don't know if you are aware, but some images on the website are broken http://kubuntu.org/
[10:00] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: ^
[10:00] <vip> hi ho
[10:00] <vip> anybody with kmail url opening problems?
[10:29] <kfunk> vip: yep. known issue
[10:29] <kfunk> vip: fixed in kdepim master
[10:29] <kfunk> vip: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346370
[10:31] <vip> kfunk: great, hope it will be released as bugfix version
[10:40] <vip> kfunk: ah, it is different bug
[10:40] <vip> mine is about clicking url on received message, KDEInit cannot (run/execute)  '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libexec/kf5/kioexec'
[10:41] <vip> it downloads url and opens as local file://, kmail is freezed, then message from above appears
[10:48] <kfunk> hm, works for me. does that file (kioexec) exist for you?
[10:48] <vip> yup
[11:35] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:07] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: ping
[15:26] <pursuivant> muon (master) v5.4.0-38-g6b7acad * Aleix Pol:  (4 files in 2 dirs)
[15:26] <pursuivant> Expose UpdatesModel::hasUpdates
[15:26] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/6b7acad83b9f7ceeb67cd33a659c2222d0516536
[15:30]  * genii makes more coffee
[15:30] <shadeslayer> genii: http://kci.pangea.pub/ < the machines are taking over
[15:30] <shadeslayer> genii: as well as http://dci.pangea.pub/
[15:31] <genii> shadeslayer: A lot of times when I see on the mailing list a package was approved by bot, it gets me wondering....
[15:32] <shadeslayer> :D
[15:32] <shadeslayer> genii: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU
[15:32] <shadeslayer> not sure if you've seen that
[15:32] <shadeslayer> but brilliant video overall :)
[15:32] <shadeslayer> yay all my tests pass
[15:34] <genii> Heh, recommended on that same page: "Coffee: The Greatest Addiction Ever"
[15:34] <shadeslayer> ^^
[15:34] <shadeslayer> Google knows you too well
[15:35] <genii> Indeed
[15:35] <shadeslayer> you have to wonder, perhaps google knows you better than your partner/parents
[15:35] <shadeslayer> or your best friend
[15:59]  * ovidiu-florin is here and he's pissed
[15:59] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: ^
[15:59] <ahoneybun> I just got back in the house lol
[15:59] <ahoneybun> oh boy
[16:01] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: hangout now?
[16:01] <ahoneybun> if you up for it
[16:03] <ovidiu-florin> valorie: ping
[16:03] <ahoneybun> valorie: hangout?
[16:04] <marco-parillo> Work serves three purposes: To produce products and services buyers desire; To enable workers to acquire goods and services; To give workers a sense of contributing
[16:07] <marco-parillo> If now 1% of farmers can produce far more food than the 99% used to that is good for humanity as a whole. The trick is to enable the former (for example, truck drivers in the video) consume at least as much as they did before; and gain some sense of contributing.
[16:27] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: what's up?
[16:27] <ovidiu-florin> got into a fight about the terms an onditions on a contest.
[16:27] <yofel> ah ^^
[16:28] <ovidiu-florin> organizers claimed that the terms said something it didn't
[16:43] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: are you around?
[16:43] <shadeslayer> ssup
[16:43] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: you have a mackbook, do you know how to check a checksum on osX?????
[16:43] <ovidiu-florin> for this: https://trello.com/c/rGFyOEFP/24-add-instructions-for-checking-the-iso-checksum-in-the-new-docs
[16:43] <shadeslayer> perhaps disk utility
[16:44] <shadeslayer> but OS X should have md5sum too
[16:44] <shadeslayer> so launch a terminal
[16:44] <shadeslayer> and use the command line tool
[16:45] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: did you see the notice about wrong URL images on the website?
[16:45] <TJ-> ovidiu-florin: It would be very useful to add instructions for also checking the hash of the image *on the removable media*
[16:46] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: where?
[16:46] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: look at the frontpage
[16:46] <yofel> a couple URL's still point to kubwp
[16:46] <yofel> which now seems to be down
[16:48] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: fixed
[16:48] <ovidiu-florin> where was the notice?
[16:48] <yofel> apol pointed it out in here in the morning
[16:49] <yofel> and I pinged you
[16:49] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: the kubuntu logo at the top is still broken - is that part of the theme?
[16:49] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: just fixed that too
[16:49] <yofel> ah yes, perfect, thanks!
[16:50] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: I scrolled up, and saw ahoneybun's ping, and thought that was it
[16:50] <ovidiu-florin> thanks for telling me again
[16:50] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: ^
[16:51] <yofel> yw
[17:02] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-images
[17:26] <clivejo> Riddell: ping
[17:26] <Riddell> hi clivejo
[17:26] <clivejo> got a few minutes?
[17:26] <Riddell> yes, although only a few
[17:27] <clivejo> or has someone done frameworks
[17:27] <Riddell> nobody but you :)
[17:27] <clivejo> I been out fixing Windows machines all day
[17:27] <clivejo> I feel dirty
[17:27] <Riddell> fixing by installing linux of course I assume
[17:28] <clivejo> sadly not
[17:29] <Riddell> so where did you get to with frameworks?
[17:29] <clivejo> ok so I had issues last night
[17:29] <clivejo> depot wasnt letting me on
[17:29] <clivejo> but I fixed that
[17:29] <Riddell> ach we all have issues, but there are friends here
[17:29] <clivejo> you fell asleep on me last night!
[17:30] <clivejo> so I eventually got package-name-list -d wily -r frameworks to run
[17:30] <Riddell> lovely, anything new?
[17:30] <clivejo> wasnt any output
[17:31] <clivejo> but then I was thinking my bzr isnt updated
[17:31] <clivejo> my kubuntu-automation is a month or so old
[17:32] <Riddell> I don't think it will output anything if there's nothing new
[17:32] <Riddell> it'll just write to package-name-lists/frameworks-wily
[17:32] <clivejo> where?
[17:33] <Riddell> in the directory you checked out kubuntu-automation into
[17:33] <Riddell> it'll output got version 5.14 stable
[17:33] <Riddell> write package-name-lists/frameworks-wily
[17:33] <Riddell> bzr diff package-name-lists/frameworks-wily
[17:33] <clivejo> yes
[17:33] <clivejo> it did
[17:34] <Riddell> and wc -l package-name-lists/frameworks-wily says 68?
[17:34] <clivejo> 67
[17:35] <Riddell> curious
[17:35] <Riddell> here's mine, run a diff on it   http://embra.edinburghlinux.co.uk/~jr/tmp/frameworks-wily
[17:35] <clivejo> should I rm the automation folder and get a fresh copy
[17:35] <Riddell> no just bzr update or bzr pull as appropriate
[17:37] <Riddell> so what happened next?
[17:37] <clivejo> bluez-qt
[17:37] <clivejo> Im missing
[17:40] <clivejo> I keep getting Permission Denied with bzr commands
[17:42] <Riddell> set up ~/.ssh/config to pre-set the username to ftpubuntu
[17:43] <clivejo> I have :/
[17:44] <clivejo> for what host?
[17:46] <yofel> with bzr commands? That would mean your authorization settings for launchpad aren't right..
[17:46] <clivejo> ah working
[17:46] <clivejo> bazaar.launchpad.net
[17:47] <Riddell> ~/.bazaar/bazaar.conf
[17:47] <clivejo> Now on revision 614.
[17:47] <Riddell> [DEFAULT]
[17:47] <Riddell> email = Jonathan Riddell<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:47] <Riddell> launchpad_username = jr
[17:47] <Riddell> something like that
[17:48] <clivejo> I have that
[17:48] <clivejo> I need to add bazaar.launchpad.net into ~.ssh/conf
[17:48] <clivejo> anyways its worked
[17:49] <clivejo> 68 in there now
[17:52] <clivejo> so I need pause CI?
[17:53] <clivejo> Riddell: ^
[17:55] <Riddell> hmm I guess so
[17:55] <Riddell> maybe you don't have permissions for that
[17:55]  * clivejo shakes head
[17:55] <clivejo> I dont
[17:56] <Riddell> clivejo: I ran it
[17:56] <Riddell> ask sitter how to get permissions for that
[17:56] <Riddell> reminds me to unpause it again later
[17:57] <clivejo> is the version 5.18.0?
[17:57] <clivejo> sorry14
[17:57] <clivejo> or just 5.14
[18:02] <clivejo> stupid gpg agent
[18:05] <clivejo> how do I get the gpg-agent to enter my key passcode?
[18:05] <Riddell> 5.14.0
[18:05] <Riddell> it should just be running
[18:05] <Riddell> and use pinentry-qt as the UI
[18:05] <clivejo> well its not!
[18:06] <yofel> what's the error? pinentry not working or the agent not working?
[18:07] <clivejo> no error, just have to enter my passcode twice per source sign
[18:09] <clivejo> gpg-connect-agent: can't connect to the agent: IPC connect call failed
[18:10] <yofel> sounds like the agent isn't running
[18:11] <clivejo> gpg-agent[9747]: gpg-agent (GnuPG) 2.0.28 started
[18:12] <yofel> how did you start it?
[18:12] <Riddell> gpg-agent is spooky voodoo
[18:13] <yofel> usually, yeah :(
[18:14] <clivejo> FFS !!  Enter passphrase: gpg: problem with the agent - disabling agent use
[18:15] <clivejo> it just confirmed it was running!
[18:15] <sgclark> make sure you have a pinentry app installed
[18:16] <Riddell>  when it randomly breaks for me I turn my computer off and on again and it sometimes starts to work
[18:16] <sgclark> also I had to put GPG_TTY=$(tty)  export GPG_TTY in my bashrc
[18:17] <sgclark> oh and eval $(gpg-agent --daemon) also in bashrc
[18:17] <sgclark> never breaks for me anymore
[18:18] <clivejo> it says its running
[18:19] <clivejo> but when I run the staging script it keeps asking for my passcode
[18:19] <mamarley> The gpg-agent doesn't seem to have worked properly for me since I upgraded to Vivid a long time ago.  gpg-agent is running and pinentry-qt4 is installed, but it never remembers the password and I never get the graphical prompt.
[18:19] <yofel> the eval part is important, you need an environment variable set in your shell for it to work
[18:19] <clivejo> yofel: it is
[18:20] <soee> ovidiu-florin: you pinged :)
[18:20] <clivejo> yofel: could it be the way I have a separate account I work in?
[18:20] <ovidiu-florin> soee: yes
[18:21] <yofel> clivejo: shouldn't be...
[18:21] <ovidiu-florin> soee: can you have a hangout with us? right now?
[18:21] <soee> oh i can't make it today.. have one project to do small changes and 1 hour for my boss :)
[18:21] <yofel> clivejo: at least not if said var is set in the shell you work in, the process is reachable and you can connect to X from that shell
[18:22] <clivejo> remember I had "issues" connecting to X
[18:22] <yofel> hm, you can try pinentry-curses
[18:22] <ovidiu-florin> soee: are you good with designing web pages?
[18:22] <yofel> won't work if a GUI app tries to ask for the gpg password though, remember that
[18:23] <soee> ovidiu-florin: depends, i do a lot of backend stuff and sometimes when i have to frontend, but when it comes to design it is good to have proffesional designer
[18:23] <ovidiu-florin> ok, then we'll look for a designer
[18:24] <clivejo> mmm
[18:24] <clivejo> now Ive killed kate
[18:24] <soee> ovidiu-florin: but a good designer not someone who thinks he can design :)
[18:24] <ovidiu-florin> I agree
[18:26] <soee> i could always ask my friend (he does graphics etc.) when he comes back to work
[18:26] <soee> but hes off for 2 weeks to spend this time with his daughter (born 2 weeks ago) :)
[18:27] <yofel> talking about agents, I found a funny process command line...
[18:27] <yofel> yofel     3105  0.0  0.0  11168   336 ?        Ss   18:20   0:00 /usr/bin/ssh-agent /usr/bin/gpg-agent --daemon --sh --write-env-file=/home/yofel/.gnupg/gpg-agent-info-T550 /usr/bin/ck-launch-session /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session /usr/bin/im-launch /usr/bin/startkde
[18:27] <Riddell> clivejo: or edit the script to add -us -uc to the debuild and it won't sign them then just do it in batch later with debsign manually
[18:27] <yofel> how's that supposed to do anything useful o.O
[18:28] <clivejo> ok pinentry is installed
[18:29] <clivejo> Ive added those lines to bashrc too
[18:29] <clivejo> still not working
[18:29] <yofel> source your bashrc in the shell you're trying to sign something, then try gpg --clearsign /tmp/foo and tell what it does
[18:31] <clivejo> asks from my passphrase
[18:31] <yofel> any other output?
[18:31] <clivejo> You need a passphrase to unlock the secret key for
[18:31] <yofel> that's all o.O?
[18:32] <clivejo> yup
[18:32] <clivejo> for my key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:32] <yofel> is "use-agent" in ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf ?
[18:33] <clivejo> yup
[18:33] <yofel> ...
[18:34] <clivejo> how do I list the keys it knows about?
[18:34] <yofel> gpg --list-keys
[18:34] <clivejo> so it knows about that key :/
[18:35] <TJ-> There's a severe issue with the SDDM greeter. when it is in use it causes ecryptfs-recover-private to fail because it has created a separate @s (session) keyring but e-r-p puts the keys in the @us (user session) keyring
[18:35] <clivejo> I dunno :/
[18:35] <yofel> does it say "gpg: gpg-agent is not available in this session" ?
[18:35] <TJ-> I'll post a bug report after dinner; spent the last 45 minutes diagnosing it with Ty hicks
[18:36] <clivejo> when the script runs debsign is says gpg: gpg-agent is not available in this session and to enter passphrase
[18:37] <TJ-> yofel: nothing to do with gpg-agent; the tools insert the keys into the kernel (@us) directly (using the keyctl API), but the mount command cannot access the key because it is working from a different keyring (the @s). I only hit this because I switched from lightdm to sddm last night
[18:37] <yofel> ok, so it does try to use the agent but fails to connect to it
[18:37] <yofel> TJ-: that was for clivejo
[18:37] <TJ-> yofel: Ahhh, sorry! doh!
[18:38] <yofel> ^^
[18:38] <clivejo> oh wait
[18:38] <clivejo> its working
[18:38] <yofel> \o/
[18:38] <clivejo> but how, I have NOOOO idea!
[18:38] <clivejo> it popped up a graphical prompt for the passcode this time
[18:39] <clivejo> where can I find the lastest wily iso?
[18:43] <yofel> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/
[18:45] <clivejo> thanks yofel
[18:45] <clivejo> yofel: probem: the screen has stopped on a diff file
[18:46] <clivejo> with a :
[18:46] <clivejo> as it its expecting input from me
[18:46] <yofel> Riddell: ^
[18:46] <yofel> I haven't run that script in a while...
[18:47] <clivejo> its a debian/control file
[18:47] <clivejo> reds and greens
[18:47] <clivejo> will I just hit enter?
[18:48] <yofel> dunno...
[18:49] <yofel> sounds like it's asking you about a merge?
[18:50] <clivejo> I just pressed q and enter
[18:51] <clivejo> must be using less to echo out the diffs
[18:52] <yofel> git diff does that automatically
[18:52] <clivejo> does it need user input if the output is greater than screen lines?
[18:53] <yofel> yes
[18:53] <clivejo> that must be what it is7
[18:53] <clivejo> here we go again
[19:02] <ovidiu-florin> Kubuntu Promotion meeting over
[19:04] <clivejo> what did you guys achieve?
[19:08] <clivejo> 3 more packages to do
[19:10] <clivejo> done
[19:10] <clivejo> Riddell: can you unpause CI
[19:12] <clivejo> Riddell / yofel : So they are going to https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-frameworks/ ?
[19:27] <clivejo> anyone?
[19:28] <clivejo> is it safe to run - for f in *.changes ; do dput ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-frameworks $f ; do
[19:44] <clivejo> is someone working on the qa server?
[19:44] <clivejo> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/frameworks/ doesnt seem to be working
[19:46] <Riddell> clivejo: done
[19:47] <Riddell> clivejo: have you updated the file in kubuntu-automation?
[19:47] <Riddell> clivejo: build-status-conf/frameworks.conf
[19:47] <clivejo> I havent
[19:47] <clivejo> Ive just finished the upload
[19:47] <clivejo> they are failing on Cmake
[19:48] <clivejo> but when that gets published it should be ok#
[19:48] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-frameworks/+build/7905486
[19:49] <Riddell> yes cmake is always the first that needs done
[19:51] <Riddell> it'll need retries, that's what this line does   while true; do ./kubuntu-retry-builds --frameworks --ppa=kubuntu-ppa --ppaname=staging-frameworks --force; sleep 1200; done
[19:55] <clivejo> ok Ive updated the frameworks.conf file
[19:55] <clivejo> that needs to be pushed to bzr?
[19:55] <Riddell> yep
[19:57] <clivejo> so do a bzr commit locally
[19:57] <clivejo> and then push?
[20:02] <clivejo> Riddell: Im in trouble :/
[20:45] <clivejo> Riddell: did you move qa.kubuntu.co.uk ?
[20:46] <clivejo> looks like LP authoriation token is acting up
[21:00] <valorie> sorry guys, I've gone back to nightowl/late riser pattern again
[21:05] <valorie> and now it's time to clean the dirty floors and suck up the giant spider on my ceiling
[21:06] <sgclark> eek. yeah been spotting spiders today. Time to call the exterminator
[21:12] <clivejo> sgclark: do you know how qa.kubuntu.co.uk works?
[21:13] <clivejo> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/frameworks/build_status_5.13.0_wily.html
[21:16] <sgclark> yikes. that seems broken
[21:16]  * clivejo nods
[21:17] <sgclark> whatever user they use to auth looks to be broken. Riddell will have to help there I think
[21:18] <clivejo> I think the server was moved or something
[21:24] <Riddell> clivejo: yeah I did move it
[21:25] <clivejo> know how to fix it?
[21:28] <Riddell> dunno, let's see what happens when I run it
[21:29] <clivejo> is it linked to your LP account?
[21:30] <Riddell> I really don't remember
[21:30] <Riddell> it seems to be running something
[21:35] <ahoneybun> valorie: check out Kubuntu Family on telegram
[21:45] <Riddell> ahoneybun: what's the purpose of that group?
[21:45] <ahoneybun> disussion on the go
[21:46] <ahoneybun> your in that group too
[21:46] <clivejo> is there a terminal based browser?
[21:47] <ahoneybun> for telegram?
[21:47] <ahoneybun> Riddell: http://imgur.com/33qIBuV
[21:47] <clivejo> ahoneybun: nope, for qa.kubuntu.co.uk
[21:47] <ahoneybun> oh
[21:47] <ahoneybun> there is telegram-cli XD
[21:48] <Riddell> ahoneybun: oh nice, but what's the font?
[21:48] <ahoneybun> oxygen
[21:48] <Riddell> ahoneybun: keep a copy for release time then :)
[21:48] <ahoneybun> andrea on telegram did the konqi artwork
[21:49] <Riddell> ahoneybun: have you checked it fits on the new website?
[21:49] <ahoneybun> will do
[21:49] <ahoneybun> same size as the old one
[21:49] <ahoneybun> 1600x500
[21:51] <ahoneybun> Riddell: so yes it will look nice!
[21:56] <clivejo> Riddell: how did you fix it?
[21:58] <Riddell> clivejo: did I fix it?
[21:58] <clivejo> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/frameworks/build_status_5.14.0_wily.html
[21:59] <clivejo> its working
[21:59] <clivejo> and I know it wasnt me!
[22:00] <Riddell> well well, amazing what one does
[22:00] <Riddell> I looked at the output of ps -ef to see the command that ppa-build-status-cron ran was  /usr/bin/python ./ppa-build-status -r frameworks -d wily -v 5.14.0 -c /home/kubuntu/kubuntu-automation/kubuntu-automation/cred -p kubuntu-ppa/staging-frameworks --cache ./cache-wily
[22:00] <Riddell> then I ran that command and it asked for a web browser to open a url so I did that locally and told launchpad to allow it
[22:00] <Riddell> so yay maybe it's now fixed
[22:01] <clivejo> :)
[22:01] <Riddell> yep looks like it
[22:01] <ahoneybun> I think kconfig has the same issue that it had before
[22:01] <Riddell> ok then time for bed for me
[22:01] <Riddell> clivejo: will you run that retry command?
[22:02] <clivejo> retry?
[22:03] <clivejo> Riddell: retry what command?
[22:04] <Riddell> while true; do ./kubuntu-retry-builds --frameworks --ppa=kubuntu-ppa --ppaname=staging-frameworks --force; sleep 1200; done
[22:04] <clivejo> on your box?
[22:08] <Riddell> clivejo: yes just run it locally
[22:08] <Riddell> and hopefully in the morning all will be compiled
[22:08]  * Riddell snoozes
[22:14] <clivejo> so there is no intelligence about this at all, it just keeps retrying over and over until they build?
[22:15] <sgclark> sadly yep
[22:16] <ari-tczew> does Framework 5.14 not need a FFe?
[22:16] <sgclark> clivejo: run that command Riddell stated above in your terminal and it will retry
[22:17] <clivejo> I have
[22:17] <clivejo> just not in a loop
[22:17] <clivejo> as I shut down my computer at night
[22:17] <sgclark> the loops will keep retrying. ahh ok
[22:18] <sgclark> will then keep retrying till you go to bed heh
[22:18] <clivejo> but thought there might be some kind of structure to the retries!
[22:20] <clivejo> sgclark: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/217944572/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-amd64.attica-kf5_5.14.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[22:20] <clivejo> lot of missing symbols
[22:20] <clivejo> but qa has it marked green?
[22:23] <sgclark> much to much jetlag today to much help with symbols.  Should be around in the next day or so though to help a bit.
[22:35] <clivejo> Ill trigger another rebuild
[22:36] <clivejo> they all showing as waiting or failed
[22:43] <yofel> clivejo: it's green even with a symbol diff because all the missing symbols are "optional"
[22:43] <yofel> looks like gcc internal stuff
[22:44] <clivejo> a symbol can be optional?
[22:48] <yofel> yes, in this case it's symbols that the last couple gcc4 versions put there, but that don't actually belong to the library.
[22:49] <yofel> like in this case, most are the auto-generated class constructors/destructors


[00:49] <baller> hey RickyB98  i tried installing it from this morning
[02:42] <Datz> RoyK: I suppose I do. What do you use?
[03:17] <RoyK> Datz: the commandline
[03:28] <Datz> I see. I find sometimes it's nice to have everything laid out. But really it depends..
[03:33] <RoyK> if you know what you're doing, you design the database before you put it into production
[03:33] <RoyK> and the visualisation from phpmyadmin is minimal
[03:35] <Datz> I think I fall only partly into the "know what you're doing" category.
[13:21] <JemoeE> I have a problem on my SMTP mailserver. It is set up with Postfix and Dovecot, and should require AUTH but somehow spammers are able to send from my email without AUTH. See a snippet from mail.log on http://pastebin.com/raw/s9KsqKNE
[13:48] <trippeh> JemoeE: so it's sending to your gmail address? is it set up to forward?
[13:48] <JemoeE> trippeh,  yep
[13:49] <trippeh> that would be why then, I guess
[13:50] <trippeh> is it sending to anyone else not having forwards?
[13:50] <trippeh> that is, the spammers
[13:51] <JemoeE> yeah but they were refused by the server because the email addresses did not exist
[13:51] <JemoeE> so no, the only succeeded to send to my personal email (i think)
[13:54] <JemoeE> but i can't see how it has to do with the forwarding. the mail should even get in if the client did not AUTH
[13:54] <trippeh> is it your MX?
[13:56] <JemoeE> yes
[13:56] <trippeh> if it required AUTH noone would be able to send you mail then.
[13:57] <JemoeE> can't I require AUTH when the mail from email is from mine ?
[14:02] <trippeh> its possible, not entirely sure how with postfix. most likely what you want is to have auth-only on the submission port, and reject anything from the outside with your domain as sender on port 25
[14:02] <trippeh> maybe just enforced using SPF?
[14:02] <trippeh> oh wait
[14:03] <trippeh> if its also sending, SPF wont really help
[14:03] <trippeh> err
[14:03] <trippeh> sorry, disregard the last line
[14:03] <trippeh> mind melted for a few seconds
[14:06] <JemoeE> hehe it's cool
[14:09] <JemoeE> maybe SpamAssassin would help, but im just not sure im covering up the right hole
[14:12] <trippeh> SPF would, and would also make others make sure your email comes from the right places
[14:12] <trippeh> SPF is a little finicky with mailing lists though, so beware.
[14:16] <JemoeE> yeah i've thought about SPF. that should work. Im just still not sure why postfix/dovecot doesn't require auth when an email is sent from my domain
[14:19] <rbasak> JemoeE: usually the submission and regular smtp cases are implemented completely separately. Either by port or by entire server. It's pretty unusual to try to configure both cases on a single port.
[14:20] <rbasak> JemoeE: I would either use a submission port or a separate MTA instance for the two cases, and forget about trying to implement both on the same port on the same server.
[14:23] <JemoeE> rbasak, if I understand you correctly, that's also what i'm trying to. In gmail my SMTP is using port 465 using SSL, so that's is my sender port. And incoming mails should be on port 25..
[14:24] <JemoeE> but it seems like the spammers are sending mails from my port 25 also (from my email address to my own email address)
[14:32] <rbasak> JemoeE: so they're "just" spoofing you as a sender. They can do that equally to any other recipient. Use normal spam fighting techniques (SPF as mentioned or DKIM, RBLs, etc)
[14:41] <JemoeE> rbasak, im setting up SPF now, thanks for taking the time, and thanks trippeh
[14:45] <patdk-lap> whitelisting your own domain/email address is normally a very bad thing to do
[14:45] <JemoeE> patdk-lap, sorry what?
[14:46] <patdk-lap> the only way those emails should be getting past your normal anti-spam/anti-virus/.... stuff, would be if you whitelisted your own address/domain
[14:46] <patdk-lap> so spam checking is skipped when someone spoofs you
[14:49] <JemoeE> does spf whitelist my own domain ? (sorry if noob question :)
[14:49] <patdk-lap> that is up to your postfix/spamassin/... configs
[14:49] <patdk-lap> spf doesn't do anything itself
[14:49] <patdk-lap> how you use spf does though
[14:50] <JemoeE> ah, i just started reading about spf
[14:52] <JemoeE> as I understand i could set SPF up to allow mails sent from gmail, and then only gmail can send mail from my domains?
[14:52] <patdk-lap> if you use -all, and everyone that receives emails from you, checks spf, and follows SPF strictly
[14:53] <JemoeE> :|
[14:55] <JemoeE> so what do you recommend?
[15:03] <patdk-lap> protecting other people from people spoofing your domain, you cannot control that, you can do what you can, implement spf, dkim, dmarc
[15:04] <patdk-lap> but once you do that, you can easily add spf/dkim checks and reject based on someone spoofing you to yourself, easily
[15:05] <patdk-lap> and the reason to do that is so, instead of creating that for your own use, let others use the same stuff, if they want too, and limit the amount of backscatter you get
[15:08] <JemoeE> so I can only reject if someone is spoofing from my mail to my mail, and not to other mails? (because they need to check spf on their end?)
[15:25] <patdk-lap> jamespage, mostly yes
[15:32] <LargePrime> hi.  I am adding a user to my server, and granting ssh access.  they sent me a putty generated pub key.  how doi add it to my server?
[15:32] <LargePrime> I have created and permed the .ssh dir and the authorized_keys fle
[15:33] <LargePrime> I am really looking for the authorized keys file format or example
[15:33] <LargePrime> also, am i doing it wrong?
[15:47] <teward> LargePrime: if they sent you the Putty format Public Key they need to go back and get the OpenSSH public key string inside of puttygen for their private key
[15:47] <teward> LargePrime: PuttyGen has a blank space at the top area of the window where it puts the OpenSSH public key string
[15:47] <teward> you need them to give you that
[15:47] <patdk-lap> or just convert it, though converting it is annoying
[15:48] <LargePrime> from a learning point of view can i not just cut the one key into opwn ssh format
[15:48] <patdk-lap> many options: http://superuser.com/questions/232362/how-to-convert-ppk-key-to-openssh-key-under-linux
[15:58] <LargePrime> thank you patdk-lap teward , much apprecated
[15:59] <teward> patdk-lap: i've had issues converting the public key parts without the private key
[15:59] <teward> though you're right converting is doable
[15:59] <teward> LargePrime: probably easier for the user to just give you the *correct* information
[16:00] <LargePrime> absolutly.  but for political reasons i am trying to get it working
[16:00] <LargePrime> you guys make me look good
[16:00] <patdk-lap> hmm, I hadn't had that issue, sometimes though rarely people had those to me for sftp usage
[16:00] <LargePrime> well perhaps
[16:01] <LargePrime> awaiting the user to awake and test
[16:06] <teward> patdk-lap: someone gave me an SSH-2 pubkey once, that was fun to convert.
[16:06] <teward> :
[16:06] <teward> (that proprietary format of pubkey from ancient times heh)
[18:01] <Seveas> teward: ssh-keygen -i :)
[18:04] <teward> Seveas: context is nice, I don't remember anything from a few hours ago (pre-Coffee, I usually don't retain things well heh)
[18:06] <teward> ah, import
[20:56] <compdoc> Froberg, can I have your computer?
[20:56] <Froberg> heh, whatever for?
[20:57] <Froberg> it is mine
[20:57] <Froberg> mine own
[20:57] <Froberg> my precious
[20:57] <compdoc> Without your computer, I am useless.
[20:57] <Froberg> As I am without it.
[20:58] <compdoc> youve had it for a while. its my turn
[20:59] <Froberg> Well, I see you're based in Lithuania
[20:59] <Froberg> Feel free to come visit me in Denmark, we'll see about it ;-)
[21:00] <Froberg> Nice country, by the way, I've been there a couple of times.
[21:44] <BadApe> i am thinking about using ubuntu as the base OS for hosting docker containers
[21:45] <BadApe> are there any webui's to manage containers?
[22:13] <compdoc> Im in Denver. bit further away. But Ive been to Denmark
[22:56] <profall> Can I install fglrx (amd proprietary drivers) on server even though there is no Xorg?
[22:59] <patdk-lap> doubtful
[22:59] <patdk-lap> isn't those drivers in the kernel?
[22:59] <patdk-lap> been awhile since they where seperate
[23:26] <profall> yea, makes sense.


[16:01] <vthompson> I was wondering if anyone here has tried to move to the new Ubuntu.Components v1.3 and have had to work around issues with the header actions seemingly enable/disable at times. It is causing issues with the Music app moving to the new components in that a PageHeadState with a TextField as its contents also gets disabled, causing the OSK to disappear and reappear. I have a bug filed against Music for it: bug #1514143
[16:15] <Spacedawgg_ie> hi my new ubuntu handset started displaying 'no sim', I got a new sim and tested it and it's good, still 'no sim' on my MX4, any suggestions?
[16:17] <piercedwater> hi
[16:17] <piercedwater> how do i put Ubuntu Touch on my Samsung Galaxy Mega 6.3"?
[16:23] <Nube68> need  some help with a Franklin U600 modem..It worked fine for years in Ubuntu..loaded new software and the USB modem stopped working..on start up i see the franklin string but under a USB device it lists only vendor ID and addressee.. Any one out the have a idea?
[17:06] <Spacedawgg_ie> my new MX4 is a brick that says 'no sim' where do I request replacement/refund?
[17:15] <OerHeks> Spacedawgg_ie, contact your vendor, or telco for a new sim
[17:36] <Spacedawgg_ie> OerHeks, I did this today, got a new one, still didn't work, I tried it in my old phone, works fine. my new MX4 is bricked :(
[17:38] <Spacedawgg_ie> ...or the linux equivelant of an ipod touch!
[17:38] <Spacedawgg_ie> everything still works except the phone.
[20:39] <vthompson> Are there any UITK SDK guys around? bzoltan, zbenjamin, zsombi?
[20:42] <vthompson> Currently the default AppHeader for the MainView is disabled when it's not exposed of if it's "moving". What this seems to do is also disable the header when the data in the view is loading or changing. This means that the music app's search feature currently causes the OSK to show and hide as the contents refresh during a search. Is there a way to override the AppHeader's enabled property?
[20:43] <vthompson> This is bug #1514143
[20:45] <vthompson> I can fix this bug by hacking the AppHeader to allow it to be enabled when it is "moving" and I'd like to override it as such
[20:59] <vthompson> It looks like this MP is the one what introduced the behavior: https://code.launchpad.net/~tpeeters/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/20-AppHeader-use-cppHeader/+merge/273096
[21:59] <vthompson> I've marked the ubuntu-ui-toolkit package as affected by bug #1514143 and have provided a simple example that exhibits this issue.
[22:03] <vthompson> I'd appreciate a workaround, as we are getting pressure to land the app with UC1.3 support, and also think this needs to be fixed. The C++ header's moving property is not behaving as it should.
[23:22] <gkeen_> is there an ETA on ActiveSync (EAS) support for Ubuntu Touch devices?