 Heyy, i m using ubuntu based kde , but i want to install arch kde , how should i proceed ,
 I dont want to loose my file present on same drive
 File means documents , photos , videos ,
 I m ready to loose app data
 And i remembered i make different partition while installing ubuntu kde for root and user , so that later i can do distro hopping ,
[02:31] <guiverc> @milesdress, we only support Kubuntu here, not arch OSes. Ubuntu installers allow you to switch (eg. I've switched systems from opensuse/fedora/mint to Ubuntu systems without any loss of data etc), thus it maybe possible for arch too - but we don't support Arch here
[02:32] <guiverc> Ubuntu installers (ubuntu-desktop-installer, calamares, & ubiquity) all prior manually-installed packages to auto-reinstall & even non-destructively install even if you only used a single partition; but MOST oses do not allow for that (thus separate /home is default for non-Ubuntu) but again not-on-topic here
[02:34] <guiverc> fyi.. i mentioned 3 installers (Kubuntu uses ubiquity), but its NOT the installer, but script run for install that gives the features ^ i mentioned.. what I said applies to all Ubuntu though as Kubuntu is a Ubuntu flavor (using Ubuntu scripts)
 Heyy, i m using ubuntu based kde , but i want to install arch kde , how should i proceed ,
 I dont want to loose my file present on same drive
 File means documents , photos , videos ,
 I m ready to loose app data
 And i remembered i make different partition while installing ubuntu kde for root and user , so that later i can do distro hopping ,
[05:39] <guiverc> @milesdress, only Kubuntu is on-topic here being a Kubuntu room. You can install Kubuntu over another GNU/Linux & keep your files, even have your manually-installed packages auto-reinstall (if prior OS used like package maanger) but Arch is not a Ubuntu system & not supported here
[05:39] <guiverc> s/milesdress/milesdredd ^
[07:42] <flowerpot> hi how are you
[07:42] <flowerpot> Is this a Ubuntu help channel?
[07:43] <alkisg> Yes
[07:44] <flowerpot> col
[07:44] <flowerpot> cool
[07:51] <weedmic> flowerpot: if you have a question - we're here to help
[07:52] <flowerpot> Q: In Ubuntu, is it okay to rely on the POwer Saving features at the top right, rather than installing TLP
[07:55] <weedmic> I use sensors and inxi - so I don't know.  which desktop are you using that has power setting in the top right?  just curious
[08:01] <flowerpot> ubuntu and debian
[08:02] <weedmic> cinnamon, gnome, xfce?
[08:06] <flowerpot> Gnome in Ubuntu and Debian, and or XFCE
[08:07] <weedmic> I still haven't tried xfce - i'm going to look at some screen shots - i like monitors
[08:07] <flowerpot> xfce rules
[08:08] <flowerpot> it is barebones but amazing sauce
[08:08] <flowerpot> Gnome is pretty and smooth
[08:09] <weedmic> o ok - seems clean simple.  I have all that on the bar at the bottom of my screen (in kde)
[08:10] <flowerpot> what is kde
[08:10] <flowerpot> is that another desktop environment ?
[08:10] <weedmic> I used gnome until kde had cube - then switched to kde (but they killed cube).  but kde is so powerful and mutable and so many ppl contribute - i added a clock yesterday
[08:10] <weedmic> correct k desktop environment - as in k ubuntu
[08:10] <flowerpot> can I install KDE as a desktop environment in ubuntu?
[08:10] <weedmic> don't remembe why it is i k thoguh
[08:12] <weedmic> yes, it is probably in synaptic - search kde - otherwise, use "apt install kde-plasma-desktop"
[08:14] <flowerpot> ok
[11:22] <lubo76kubuntu> Hello guys. How to test update in Kubuntu? A few days ago I installed update, but then I can not boot. Can I test update if OS will boot?
[11:33] <weedmic> lubo76kubuntu: What do you want?  1-see if a version of kubuntu works on your computer, 2-fix an already installed kubuntu that won't boot, 3-something else?
[11:44] <lubo76kubuntu> weedmic: how to find out if update in Kubuntu will destroy my OS
[11:44] <lubo76kubuntu> ?
[11:45] <lubo76kubuntu> Last update crashed my Kubuntu, so I had to put Kubuntu to PC from backup.
[11:50] <weedmic> what OS have you now?
 BUMP: I still cannot resolve this. (re @Anarchotaoist: The following packages have unmet dependencies.
  libkpim5libkleo5 : Depends: libkpim5libkleo-data (= 4:23.04.3-0ubuntu1~ubuntu23.04~ppa1) but it is not installed)
[11:56] <lubo76kubuntu> Kubuntu 22.04
[11:58] <weedmic> that appears to be part of kleopatra?  do you need/user it?
[11:59] <weedmic> I do not hae such a file - hence the question
[12:01] <lubo76kubuntu> Who is Kleopatra?
[12:02] <weedmic> could not find it "http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/" - so I wonder if it is part of ubuntu
[12:02] <weedmic> "Kleopatra is a certificate manager and a universal crypto GUI." google
[12:03] <weedmic> if you are not using it, uninstall it via synaptic/muon/apt
[12:12] <lubo76kubuntu> weedmic: I do not have problem with certificate manager. I installed update and OS did not boot. No I have OS from backup, so I am asking how to find out whether I will be the same problem = next update does it tha same problem?
[12:18] <weedmic> my posts seem to have been for Anarchotaoist from 14:55
[12:18] <weedmic> oic, you are answering my 14:50 question - rereading
[12:20] <tuxine> hello, is it possible to play blizzard games with the latest kubuntu?
[12:21] <weedmic> lubo76kubuntu: so as I understand it, you had 22.04 running, an update was applied, it stopped working.  you restored it from backup and now have a 22.04, but are hesitant to apply any updates.  correct y/n?
[12:23] <lubo76kubuntu> weedmic: Are u in UTC time zone?
[12:24] <lubo76kubuntu> weedmic: great :)
[12:24] <weedmic> Does UTC mean GMT?
[12:26] <lubo76kubuntu> Yes, but not GMT is UTC
[12:26] <lubo76kubuntu> Coordinated Universal Time
[12:26] <weedmic> "OS did not boot" - means 1-"got to grub", 2-passed grub could not load gui and left me at tui?
[12:27] <weedmic> no, it is 15:27.2 for me
[12:28] <weedmic> oops, 0-did not reach grub?
[12:32] <lubo76kubuntu> weedmic: I could go to terminal, but X Windows does not start. But this is not up to date problem. I am asking how to find out if any update will crash OS.
[12:33] <weedmic> ok - are you using nvidia proprietary drivers?  if yes, were any of the updates x11, mesa, or nvidia?
[12:36] <lubo76kubuntu> How to find out?
[12:37] <lubo76kubuntu> command pci-something?
[12:51] <weedmic> since you are not on the os that was affected but on the backup would be to click on updates by the clock, but don't check any.  to see if you are using nvidia or not, you can do "inxi -G".
[12:53] <lubo76kubuntu> inxi - command not found
[12:53] <weedmic> you may need to install it - did it give you the command to do so?
[12:53] <weedmic> inxi works with sensors to give you all kinds of insightful (unsure if that is a word) data.
[12:54] <weedmic> you can ask if anyone knows another easy way to determind gpu and driver actually in use.
[12:54] <alkisg> lspci -nn -k | grep -A4 VGA
[12:55] <lubo76kubuntu> Graphics:
[12:55] <lubo76kubuntu>   Device-1: NVIDIA GP108 [GeForce GT 1030] driver: nouveau v: kernel
[12:55] <lubo76kubuntu>   Device-2: Conexant Systems CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder
[12:55] <lubo76kubuntu>     driver: cx8800 v: 1.0.0
[12:55] <lubo76kubuntu>   Display: x11 server: X.Org v: <IP_ADDRESS> driver: X: loaded: modesetting
[12:55] <lubo76kubuntu>     unloaded: fbdev,vesa gpu: nouveau resolution: 1: 1680x1050~60Hz
[12:56] <weedmic> so you are using nouveau - that's supposed to just work.
[12:57] <alkisg> lubo76kubuntu: there's no way to know if an update will crash your OS. Updates aren't supposed to do that; if someone knew they would crash a PC, they wouldn't ship the update
[12:58] <weedmic> anychance you wrote down the error when you booted the affected os and tried to do "startx"?  or remember it party?
[12:58] <alkisg> What you can do is set up backups, snapshots etc, to be able to revert to the previous state
[12:59] <lubo76kubuntu> thanks, guys
[12:59] <weedmic> to me, it doesn't sound like it "crashed your OS", but more like x won't start.  I'd like to suggest, since you have a backup already, install all updates except those related to x11 and nourveau.  see if that works.
[13:02] <weedmic> 1030 is a fine card - if the above works, consider using th eproprietary drivers and put nouveau in "remove" and then "mark for purge".
[13:10] <lubo76kubuntu> weedmic,  I am going to install update and then I send u pic of screen.
[13:10] <lubo76kubuntu> if I will have problem with boot
[13:13] <weedmic> if i were you i'd uncheck the x11 and nouveau updates.  and install everything else.  but have fun
[13:13] <weedmic> in your case, you can go back to now - so it's ok
[13:14] <lubo76kubuntu> Yes it is OK, but OS wrote something about "write failed". But it is OK.
 Kleopatra is an optional KDE application for email encryption. Yes, I am using it. No, I cannot uninstall it either without uninstalling the rest of the PIM suite which I also use. (re @IrcsomeBot: <weedmic> my posts seem to have been for Anarchotaoist from 14:55)
[20:18] <mmikowski> lubo76kubuntu: if you are still having trouble, you can blacklist nouveau because it is hard to remove.
[20:19] <mmikowski> Let me know if you want more info.
[23:11] <M2600dicksinyomo> Hello everyone, I just installed Kubuntu and everything was going fine, installation done went smoothly, but as I was trying to explore kubuntu I noticed a "snap" folder on my home directory. From previous distros I had a bad experience with snap (unnecessary folders and files and made some parts of my filesystem disorganized) so I did a "sudo apt purge snapd", I think I tried "sudo apt purge snap" but the terminal said I didnt have
[23:11] <M2600dicksinyomo> that package.
[23:13] <M2600dicksinyomo> As you may have guessed, this was a mistake. Now firefox wont open and one of my two monitor is jittery in the max resolution...not in lower res but maybe it's just less aparent??
[23:13] <M2600dicksinyomo> I tried to reinstall snap, snapd and firefox which went fine
[23:13] <M2600dicksinyomo> but didnt solve the issue
[23:14] <M2600dicksinyomo> Any idea what I should do?
[23:17] <M2600dicksinyomo> max resolution of monitor is 1920x1080(16:9) if that matters
[23:46] <mparillo> You could install a browser without snaps. I use konqueror, falkon, and qutebrowser.
[23:46] <mparillo> If you really want firefox, there are numerous guides (I followed one on reddit) to completely de-snapify your Kubuntu, and install a firefox from a PPA from the Firefox team.


[09:00] <ubotu> New bug: #202769 in malone "no package name .... published in ubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202769
[11:06] <phs> lifeless, Hi, I'm trying to register a project, but the system tells me the name that I choose is already used, OK, but, I couldn't found such existing project? Could this be some kind of bug?
[11:07] <phs> lifeless, sorry, only the last "?" makes sense..
[11:09] <Peng> Might help if you give the name.
[11:10] <phs> Peng, chimera
[11:11] <Peng> I'm not an LP developer. I just thought it would be useful information for them.
[11:11] <Fujitsu> phs: It probably means the project is disabled.
[11:15] <phs> Fujitsu, yeah, probably, I'll wait until some LP developer comes in to make sure... disabled projects create some kind of 'ghost projects', at least LP should indicates that when you try to enter the project page...
[11:16] <Fujitsu> phs: You should ask a question at the URL in the topic.
[11:17] <phs> Fujitsu, I'll do that, just asked here as this could be a fast track to get an answer
[11:17] <phs> Fujitsu, tks
[11:17] <Fujitsu> phs: It's a weekend, and there're no admins around.
[11:24] <Toobaz> Hello. bug 202643 actually reports just "Ubuntu" under the "Affects" field. I'd like to spot the fact that it only affects Hardy (as seen in other bugs); how can it be done?
[11:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 202643 in ubuntu "GNOME fails to load in Alpha 6 livecd" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202643
[11:25] <Fujitsu> Toobaz: You shouldn't do that. That's not what the Hardy task of those other bugs means.
[11:26] <Toobaz> oh, OK
[11:26] <Fujitsu> Launchpad unfortunately doesn't provide a facility for specifying that sort of information. It is a most annoying limitation at times.
[11:28] <Toobaz> well, thank you... but in that case what does the "Hardy" line mean, for example, in bug 108527?
[11:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 108527 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "X freezes when compiz is enabled on ATI cards" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108527
[11:30] <Toobaz> OK, let me guess: It can be done only if I specify the package affected?
[12:10] <wewek> hello
[13:10] <cody-somerville> Is a launchpad admin around?
[13:11] <cody-somerville> If so, could they please change the ownership of the xubuntu-doc team from registry to xubuntu-team? Thanks :)
[16:26] <ubotu> New bug: #202899 in launchpad "Should facilitate collaborative artwork creation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202899
[17:10] <ubotu> New bug: #202915 in launchpad-bazaar "Prompt user to mark branch as abandoned if unmerged and inactive" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202915
[17:16] <ubotu> New bug: #202918 in launchpad-bazaar "When proposing to merge a branch, the status should be Mature" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202918
[18:28] <emgent> heya people
[18:29] <emgent> exist a launchpad function to see all personal pending join status?
[18:30] <mdke> +members should do it
[18:30] <emgent> yes but only in one group
[18:30] <mdke> you want to see more than one group at the same tiime?
[18:30] <emgent> it's possible see all personal pending ?
[18:30] <emgent> yes
[18:31]  * mdke blinks
[18:31] <mdke> why?
[18:31] <emgent> because i dont remember if i have pending status in more groups...
[18:31] <emgent> :\
[18:33] <emgent> but i dont know if exist this function, and i think no :P
[18:34] <emgent> mdke: some idea? :)
[18:35] <wewek> could you please reply? https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/26913
[18:35] <wewek> thank you
[18:35] <jappdev> I have some noob questions: I am the admin of a project @ launchpad, and I uploaded the first .pot file to translations yesterday, about how long will it take to be approved?  also i noticed that some project can schedule 'meetings' and I can't find how do to that
[19:41] <ubotu> New bug: #202953 in launchpad-bazaar "Should describe branch status better" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202953
[20:11] <thumper> morning
[20:29] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[20:48] <Peng> What does LP's VCS importer use to import svn branches?
[20:48] <thumper> Peng: cscvs at the moment
[20:49] <Peng> For svn?
[20:49] <thumper> Peng: yes
[20:52]  * Peng vanishes.
[20:58] <fta> the builders should not retry packages in depwait forever, it's a waste of ressources for everyone
[21:01] <fta> for ex this one keeps retrying for nearly 3 months: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all
[21:26] <ubotu> New bug: #202990 in launchpad "Please add "assigned to" field on bugs list" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202990
[21:30] <mpt> Perhaps cscvs should be renamed to csvcs ...
[21:37] <thumper> mpt::)
[21:57] <yoghi_Bear> Hi all
[21:58] <thumper> yoghi_Bear: morning
[21:58] <yoghi_Bear> here is already night eleven pm
[22:18] <yoghi_Bear> Bye
[22:21] <ubotu> New bug: #202999 in launchpad-buildd "Build machine status should not be an alert" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202999
[23:43] <LaserJock> anybody know if it's possible at all to unsubscribe a team from a bug who's been subscribed through being a bug contact?


 (Photo, 994x860) https://irc.ubports.com/vwAxCyT8.png
 I bet 110% that that is a scam.
 @elsandosgrande [I bet 110% that that is a scam.], Apologies, it's been deleted
 Aaaand the scam is gone.
 @UniversalSuperBox [Apologies, it's been deleted], No worries. If there was any doubt, comparing the HTTPS certificates is definitive proof. Oh, and the scam website uses the old Medium logo, which is another red flag.
 Spam is very common on Telegram, and there aren't many formats it follows. Just let us know and move on
 I've been on it long enough to have three whole scams target me privately (direct messages). Surprisingly, there is actually more scam here than on Discord.
 seen no scam
 only in big open source project channels
 thats it
 Just report the spam to the admins, then ignore it and move on. Telegram is full of this junk.
 hey everyone, ive been testing an unofficial halium-based port of ubports for the cosmo communicator... i hit upon a strange thing, im not sure if its specific to this build or if its something i could fix myself with some  creative pactl commands or something... at first we thought sound wasn't working at all, however if i connect a bl
[00:49] <ubptgbot> uetooth headset, play music through it (which works) THEN disconnect the headset, i then get sound via the speakers, or 3.5mm headphone jack without issue... upon rebooting, no sound again till i do the bluetooth dance
 [Edit] I've been on it long enough to have three whole scams target me privately (direct messages). Surprisingly, there are actually more scams here than on Discord.
[01:24] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> Is there a way to create a "container" with web apps? For example a google container in which several apps would share my credentials there instead of logging in separately?
 sure just make a webpage that has links to all those, then put that in a webapp
 @Boris Mihailov [Is there a way to create a "container" with web apps? For example a google conta …], you could make a webapp with links to the various sites you want contained like that, you'll also have to white list url you want to visit in that webapp
 here's an example: https://gitlab.com/Fusekai/chrome-remote-desktop … google site should be visitable in thid webapp
[05:52] <ubptgbot> SVSS was added by: SVSS
 ubuntu touch for redmi note 9 available?
 Can Ubuntu touch be ported for Redmi 5a
 i have read it is possible in redmi note 7, 5, 4 etc
 Any update for Redmi Note 4X (mido)?
 Best channel for daily use stable or dev  … Redmi 4x (santoni) stable channel is working??
 @smiley_BOT_1 [Best channel for daily use stable or dev  … Redmi 4x (santoni) stable channel is …], I am using Dev and it runs pretty well . I am not sure if stable is fixed now ,it was broken previously
 @Nagendra [I am using Dev and it runs pretty well . I am not sure if stable is fixed now ,i …], Oh okey
 @SVSS [ubuntu touch for redmi note 9 available?], is it shipped with android 9? if so we cannot port halium to it and without halium we cannot install ubuntu touch
 @SVSS [ubuntu touch for redmi note 9 available?], [Edit] is it shipped with android 19? if so we cannot port halium to it and without halium we cannot install ubuntu touch
 @SVSS [ubuntu touch for redmi note 9 available?], [Edit] is it shipped with android 10? if so we cannot port halium to it and without halium we cannot install ubuntu touch
[09:16] <ubptgbot> <taiebot taiebot> Flas the cool radio app does not work anymore sits on loading the radio forever
 It is Android 10 qpia
[09:20] <ubptgbot> evans HERMANN was added by: evans HERMANN
 Any hope for riva
 @dtarrant [<reply to media>], Tell me is it possible to install touch as stand alone or multi os in redmi note 9.
 Does anyone else not have the new OTA-14?
 I kinda figured I'd have it by now since it's released between last week and now according to the blog
 @taiebot taiebot [Flas the cool radio app does not work anymore sits on loading the radio forever], @cibersheep
 Could you please check the log e.g. with Logviewer app? That might help Joan to fix it.
 @SVSS [Tell me is it possible to install touch as stand alone or multi os in redmi note …], Sorry, I've no idea.
 @Danfro [Could you please check the log e.g. with Logviewer app? That might help Joan to …], Thanks. There's an issue open now 😟
 @taiebot taiebot [Flas the cool radio app does not work anymore sits on loading the radio forever], Apparently the api is closed or changed. I need time to investigate. Since when is happening?
 👍
[10:21] <ubptgbot> Emmy SINXXXX was added by: Emmy SINXXXX
[10:23] <ubptgbot> <Emmy SINXXXX> Hi, guys
[10:27] <ubptgbot> <Emmy SINXXXX> I tried using the ubports installer to change the OS on my VivoY15t but it didn't read the phone
 @Emmy SINXXXX [I tried using the ubports installer to change the OS on my VivoY15t but it didn' …], is your device supported?
 http://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
[10:30] <ubptgbot> <Emmy SINXXXX> @just_carlod [is your device supported?], I didn't see the VIVO brand
 @Emmy SINXXXX [I didn't see the VIVO brand], Then no
 And it must be ur model always btw
[10:31] <ubptgbot> <Emmy SINXXXX> @amyosx [And it must be ur model always btw], I dont understand
 @Emmy SINXXXX [I dont understand], U can't flash for example a pixel 1 with pixel 3a
 Even though they are both pixels
[10:33] <ubptgbot> <Emmy SINXXXX> (Photo, 540x960) https://irc.ubports.com/cQo4HjDW.png
 Emmy sorry, it needs to be ported for each particular device
 there are no ports to Vivo devices, they don't release kernel source code in general
[11:05] <ubptgbot> rajaguha was added by: rajaguha
[11:17] <ubptgbot> Moozeecka was added by: Moozeecka
 @SVSS [ubuntu touch for redmi note 9 available?], Please don't cross post
 @ImmyChan [I kinda figured I'd have it by now since it's released between last week and now …], You could switch to rc. Head back to stable later, if you prefer
 @Emmy SINXXXX [I dont understand], I removed your personally identifying data 🙄
 (Photo, 381x418) https://irc.ubports.com/e2g0eIAE.png i like this guy, who made it?
 @RealDanct12 [<reply to media>], yeah, yumi rtx on looks amazing :)
[13:22] <ubptgbot> dubois lassen was added by: dubois lassen
[13:28] <ubptgbot> Craig Stroop was added by: Craig Stroop
 @RealDanct12 [<reply to media>], Me
 good job 👍
 Thanks ;)
[13:52] <ubptgbot> <taiebot taiebot> @cibersheep [Apparently the api is closed or changed. I need time to investigate. Since when …], Well I have noticed on Saturday. I use a kodi ad don which displayed the same problem saturday but it works fine now
 @taiebot taiebot [Well I have noticed on Saturday. I use a kodi ad don which displayed the same pr …], Flas uses the same api as Kodi... Thanks
 Hi, my FP2 has not updated to OTA14 at this point, no issue with updates in the past.  Is it best to wait another day or to force the update with the ADB shell command?
 @Jimmy_T [Hi, my FP2 has not updated to OTA14 at this point, no issue with updates in the …], what channel are you on?
 @dohbee [what channel are you on?], stable
 Ah yes. I broke the phaser again.
 every time
 ah
 I like reliability. Gives you a lot of practice. 😜
 @UniversalSuperBox [Ah yes. I broke the phaser again.], so we'll never get the update? 😝
 \o/ updated to OTA-14 thanks for your help.
 so there's no reported case where OTA-14 breaks the system right? … if my phone breaks, I'll go crazy … my broken PC and other phone is enough 😂
[16:05] <ubptgbot> Dubak was added by: Dubak
 I am also in a breaking period.
 Does Ubuntu Touch have a a native bridge for running AMD snaps on itself?
 no
 not that i know what you're actually asking, but no, snaps are not supported
 @dohbee [no], I only ask because I saw this on Snapcrafts Store... … https://snapcraft.io/g-assist … I was hoping I could install it on Ubuntu Touch but its only available as AMD/x86-64 architecture.
 (Photo, 576x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/L9cB0wTw.png
 (Photo, 576x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/ZTUvAQ50.png
 yeah, so it won't run on ARM devices anyway
 you don't need to post screenshots
 and it's going to be a long time before snaps are supported at all
 @dohbee [and it's going to be a long time before snaps are supported at all], Why's that?
 because it is a lot of work for very marginal benefit
 @dohbee [and it's going to be a long time before snaps are supported at all], Does that mean Anbox for Ubuntu Touch is built from .deb or from source code and not its official Snap?
 things packaged as snaps are generally not designed for phones/tablets anyway
 @OVSCADMIN [Does that mean Anbox for Ubuntu Touch is built from .deb or from source code and …], yes, it is built from a fork
 @dohbee [yes, it is built from a fork], How many forks does Anbox have currently? Does each fork upstream their changes to the main repo/build?
 i don't know, that is not something we track nor care to track
 Couldn't the native arm bridge for Anbox be ported to Snapcraft and be used to run AMD/x86-64 Snaps on ARM Linux Distros?
 no
 i don't know what you are talking about
 anbox isn't an amd64 app running on arm
 @OVSCADMIN [How many forks does Anbox have currently? Does each fork upstream their changes …], I dont think any upstreaming is happening. The project is not well maintained atm
 @Flohack [I dont think any upstreaming is happening. The project is not well maintained at …], Yes I'm aware of this. Anbox on Snapcraft and on its own official site is still being built with Android 7.1.2 we are almost at 11....
 the android image version has little to do with the maintenance and development of anbox itself
 @dohbee [the android image version has little to do with the maintenance and development …], So the newer the Android image to more or the lest work is needed for maintenance and development?
 migrating to newer android is a huge pain because google breaks compatibility with every new android release
 there are plenty of other things in anbox itself that need worked on to make things better, without even touching the android image
 @dohbee [migrating to newer android is a huge pain because google breaks compatibility wi …], I thought anbox uses the AOSP unless they get their android images directly from Google?
 @OVSCADMIN [I thought anbox uses the AOSP unless they get their android images directly from …], yes, but it doesn't matter
 the anbox image is built for anbox based on AOSP
 but anbox itself has its own issues outside of what image is being used
 Hi, just installed latest(87) Ubuntu Touch on a Pine Phone.  Is the dock usable? Thanks.
 No, the kernel needs to be updated before it works
 Also for anything Ubuntu on Pine-specific there's a dedicated chat for it! … https://t.me/utonpine
 OK thx
 Are there instructions for updating kernel? Do I need to build it myself?
 no, it's being worked on. it's not as simple as just taking a newer kernel version and building it unfortunately
 Ok, just have to wait. Thx.
 The last update I've read is that it seems like its mostly there, but there are still some issues with sound, modem and wake up callws
 [Edit] The last update I've read is that it seems like its mostly there, but there are still some issues with sound, modem and wake up calls
 Please point me to relevant pages. Thx
 @rajaguha [Please point me to relevant pages. Thx], https://gitlab.com/ubports/community-ports/pinephone/-/commit/8d7f16903bd3aaab60759ad0bcab4b380fddf0e8
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[19:27] <ubptgbot> <taiebot taiebot> @cibersheep [Flas uses the same api as Kodi... Thanks], Did you remove your app from the openstore?
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/JZVX3kjm.png
 @just_carlod [yeah, yumi rtx on looks amazing :)], Lol
 What's the and equivalent cause we use Linux here
 [Edit] What's the amd equivalent cause we use Linux here
 raytracing isn't something nvidia created :P
 @dohbee [raytracing isn't something nvidia created :P], Lol
 Will the Pro-1X phone receive more of a guarantee to get a 20.04 upgrade than other Android based phones? Over the fullness of time I'm quite tempted by it.
 i would say there's no guarantee for any device yet, but the goal is to continue supporting as many devices as possible
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 o/
 ?
 hi
 its a wave
 Hewwo
 Welcome
 That's fair.
 @TartanSpartan [That's fair.], Like Volla, they have some proprietary access. There may be some things that will benefit?
 @TartanSpartan [Will the Pro-1X phone receive more of a guarantee to get a 20.04 upgrade than ot …], Why you think we would treat it special?
[20:27] <ubptgbot> Harald was added by: Harald
 No assumption, but it would be nice as an especially convergent device.
 @taiebot taiebot [Did you remove your app from the openstore?], I idid as it doesn't load any station. Do you need something?
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 @Flohack [Why you think we would treat it special?], Better not to be treated specially ;)
 @TartanSpartan [No assumption, but it would be nice as an especially convergent device.], Yes, but since its entirely developed by fxtec so far, we could imagine they want to have the honor of doing so ;)
 Also, remember what they said, its an Indiegogo campaign, its totally unclear if it will ever be sold regularly
 isn't using the same image as the pro1?
 Idk honestly
[21:00] <ubptgbot> Sergei was added by: Sergei
 @Flohack [Also, remember what they said, its an Indiegogo campaign, its totally unclear if …], FAQ : " Will the Pro1-X be available after the campaign? … We are currently intend to have the Pro1-X available only during the campaign as part of a limited run."
 Well that's a shame, but let's see if "currently" changes. I can't afford it right now,and my new(er) Meizu Pro 5 is still quite functional, but it seems their USB C ports are a bit vulnerable. I need to wedge this one to have it charge, too. But it hasn't taken any kind of liquid damage so hopefully it should last a lot longer than
[21:16] <ubptgbot>  my last one.
 @libremax [FAQ : " Will the Pro1-X be available after the campaign? … We are currently intend …], Well thats concerning.
 @Flohack [Why you think we would treat it special?], I think the worry would be compatibility, wouldn't some older androids be stuck on 16.04 due to outdated kernels for example?
 @PhoenixLandPirate [I think the worry would be compatibility, wouldn't some older androids be stuck …], the only way anything will be "stuck" on 16.04, is if we have to drop support. we won't keep updating those devices at that point
 Speaking of which, does Ubuntu Touch use the same kernel versions as Android, or are newer versions available?
 devices based on android must use the same kernel version that the device shipped with, because of the proprietary drivers
 🤔 Could the drivers be transferred to a newer version of the kernel? I doubt that all proprietary drivers are pinned to the exact kernel version as opposed to the approximate kernel version (multiple point releases as opposed to a specific one).
 no
 they are built against a specific kernel ABI
 Don't point releases retain that ABI?
 [Edit] Don't point releases generally retain the ABI?
 3.10 is still 3.10
 i don't know what you'd expect to gain from "point releases" of 3.10; but sure patches from point releases can theoretically be included
 but you can't move from 3.4 or 3.10 or 4.4 to 5.9
 3.11 isn't a point release of 3?
 no you can't upgrade to 3.11
 no the ABI is not retained from 3.4 to 3.10 or 3.10 to 3.11
 All right.
 _I wonder if anybody has ever tried to reverse-engineer proprietary phone drivers_
 [Edit] I wonder if anybody has ever tried to reverse-engineer proprietary phone drivers
 Probably not
 yes they have. no we aren't doing that. our goal isn't to convert android based devices to run on mainstream kernel
[22:58] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @dohbee [devices based on android must use the same kernel version that the device shippe …], For my understanding (and sorry for being a little slow to understand, maybe): the newest kernel possible for a phone is determined by the last / final firmware update available, i.e.the kernel available then? Meaning that some older phones could no
[22:58] <ubptgbot> t be supported with the newer kernels in ut 20.04 due to older firmware? 📱😪
[23:00] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @dohbee [yes they have. no we aren't doing that. our goal isn't to convert android based …], That would be Pinephone and Librem?
 No they are linux phones by default, he's on about other phones that are getting mainline linux through a community effeort
[23:05] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @PhoenixLandPirate [No they are linux phones by default, he's on about other phones that are getting …], Which ones would that be? Sounds interesting ... and like lots of hard work.
 The honest answer with something like this, is "It depends" if a phone has a to old kernel that it has to be dropped because it cant be supported, but a community memeber was able to compile a newer kernel for that device, then I'm sure that'd be more than welcome in the Ubports updater. … As Rodney says, ubports aren't making t
[23:06] <ubptgbot> he effort to make new kernels work on old devices, that's way to much work, it's much easier to drop devices and move onto new ones, or backport features to older kernels, then to make a kernel for older phones.
 @X YZ [Which ones would that be? Sounds interesting ... and like lots of hard work.], https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices
[23:10] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> Is the torch in the indicator menu the cause for camera app to fail launch? Can't remember if already asked this...
[23:10] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> On Xperia X
[23:11] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @PhoenixLandPirate [https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices], Ah, right, pmOS ... had connected that to Pine only and forgotten about the rest. Thanks for pointing out my mistake. 👍
 @X YZ [Ah, right, pmOS ... had connected that to Pine only and forgotten about the rest …], Considering pmOS was made for devices that are *ahem* Post Market, it is weird that its on a device that you have to pre-order to get!
 @X YZ [For my understanding (and sorry for being a little slow to understand, maybe): t …], theoretically yes, but manufacturers don't tend to do the work to update to newer kernels, and often can't get rebuilt drivers from SoC manufacturers
 @Boris Mihailov [Is the torch in the indicator menu the cause for camera app to fail launch? Can' …], Questions like this often get buried in this group. Usually it is better to ask in the forum or file a bug
[23:20] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> @Stereofont [Questions like this often get buried in this group. Usually it is better to ask …], Got it
[23:24] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @PhoenixLandPirate [https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices], Their list of devices in "testing" looks like an overview of every phone ever. Hope they succeed with at least some.
 @X YZ [For my understanding (and sorry for being a little slow to understand, maybe): t …], In practice its the Android version that governs the kernel. The one the device came with. So latest firmware will contain a newer Android but still with the old kernel ;)
[23:30] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> @Flohack [In practice its the Android version that governs the kernel. The one the device …], But that's a bit different with the Xperia X, cause it came with 3.10 and got up to 4.9, or something..?
[23:35] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @Flohack [In practice its the Android version that governs the kernel. The one the device …], So the kernel remains stuck at whatever the phone initially came with, firmware at the last one before the manufacturer lost interest, and ut tries to go on that as far as possible within reasonable limits?
 or sometimes beyond (see: Nexus 4) 😆


[00:48] <jrgifford> paultag:  it's awesome, that's what it is.
[12:52] <thafreak> "Everyone receiving your email will be amazed."
[12:52] <thafreak> Or highly annoyed
[12:57] <canthus13> http://i.imgur.com/KrWZUXD.jpg
[12:57] <jenni> [ imgur: the simple image sharer ] - https://j.mp/15t0KRH
[12:58] <canthus13> thafreak: That's the real reason we don't support it. We'd feel guilty for assisting the elderly in pissing off their descendants to the point of having them locked up in a nursing home and drugged into a stupor.
[13:24] <paultag> jrgifford: hahaha
[15:16] <canthus13> Actually, it's incredible.
[15:16] <paultag> hahahaha


[00:25] <bkerensa> Any Ubottu pros here?
[00:25] <bkerensa> :D
[00:25] <bazhang> whats the question
[00:26] <Pici> !42
[00:27] <bazhang> ubottu, why
[00:27] <bazhang> !
[01:00] <bkerensa> bazhang: uhh basically supybot is saying pysqlite is not installed
[01:00] <bkerensa> :P
[01:02] <Unit193> sudo apt-get install pysqlite, it's needed for Encyclopedia IIRC
[01:04] <bkerensa> Unit193: I did but its still saying it isnt installed ;)
[01:06] <Unit193> bkerensa: Sorry, I should have said python-sqlite
[01:07] <bkerensa> Unit193: Yep pythonsqlite2
[01:07] <bkerensa> is installed
[01:07] <bkerensa> :D
[01:07] <Unit193> Normally you may need: python-soappy, python-tz, python-sqlite, and python-apt (As said by the readme)
[01:12] <bkerensa> yep still no working
[01:12] <bkerensa> :(
[01:12] <Unit193> Do you have the exact error?
[01:13] <Unit193> Also, this seems to be the wrong channel anyway
[01:13] <bkerensa> lol
 bkerensa: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
[01:14] <bkerensa> Unit193: Its not giving me much love
[01:15] <Unit193> Look at the terminal window you started it in
[01:15] <Unit193> Wait, after you installed those packages, did you restart the bot?
[01:16] <bkerensa> Unit193: Correct
[01:17] <Unit193> Did you check the terminal window for errors?
[02:08] <Unit193> jussi: Ping
[03:33] <Flannel> look in $SUPYBOT/logs/messages.log
[18:33] <bkerensa> Uhh yeah ubuntulog keeps acting up and drops from our channel for weeks at a time
[18:33] <bkerensa> =/
[18:33] <bkerensa> he left last week and didnt return
[21:33] <pangolin> bkerensa: email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>explain the situation and they will look into it.


 The door is wide and the road is easy that leads to hell. Many people are going through that door. 14 But the door is narrow and the road is hard that leads to life that lasts forever. Few people are finding it.
[02:50] <JohnCalvin> hi people
[02:59] <JohnCalvin> Go in through the narrow door. The door is wide and the road is easy that leads to hell. Many people are going through that door. 14 But the door is narrow and the road is hard that leads to life that lasts forever. Few people are finding it.
[03:03]  * genii slides Pici a fresh beverage
[10:06] <ikonia> !forget mysql
[10:06] <ikonia> !mysql
[10:06] <ikonia> !lamp
[10:06] <ikonia> perfect
[10:29] <AlanBell> ikonia: are we switching to mariadb yet?
[10:29] <AlanBell> apparently not http://www.zdnet.com/shuttleworth-says-ubuntu-is-sticking-with-mysql-7000026859/
[10:45] <ikonia> not that I'm aware of
[10:46] <ikonia> I just got rid of a bad factoid, no other reason
[10:49] <AlanBell> yeah, mysql shouldn't point to lamp, I thought you were doing it for a mariadb reason that I wasn't aware of :)
[10:50] <ikonia> well who knows the direction the platform changes is as often as the wind changes and with as much thought and discussion too, so who knows, 14.10 could be MariaDB
[15:42] <h00k> but what about couchdb!
[15:43] <bazhang> !webscale
[17:00] <Pici> thanks ikonia


[00:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: afflib [amd64] (noble-proposed/universe) [3.7.20-1.1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
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[00:50] <vorlon> adns looks like a fun armhf-specific build failure for someone to debug
[00:51] <vorlon> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1065725
[00:51] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Debian bug 1065725 in src:adns "adns: FTBFS on arm{el,hf}: FAILED ./case-1stservbroken - WRONG OUTPUT - lines of syscall remaining 0" [Serious, Open]
[00:52] <vorlon> 165: [mutex_test.cc : 313] RAW: Check absl::Seconds(0.4) <= elapsed && elapsed <
[00:52] <vorlon> = absl::Seconds(0.9) failed: TestTime failed
[00:52] <vorlon> so if we ever manage to get all these libraries to build from source... then we'll be golden wrt Y2038
[00:59] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: fwiw doxygen ftbfs with llvm-18: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/doxygen/1.9.8+ds-2build2
[01:03] <doko> both Debian and Ubuntu. most likely missing symlinks
[01:29] <mwhudson> vorlon: i think you are lying about that adns failure looking fun
[01:59] <vorlon> mwhudson: just need to find the right someone
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[04:04] <vorlon> mwhudson: would you rather adns, or abseil - which very clearly presents time everywhere in its API as int64_t and yet somehow manages to have regressions when time_t is promoted to this size on armhf
[04:05] <mwhudson> vorlon: heh
[04:07] <mwhudson> vorlon: they're not just bad tests that fail on overloaded hosts?
[04:07] <vorlon> mwhudson: nope
[04:08] <mwhudson> it looks like the time values are out by a factor of like 10,000
[04:08] <mwhudson> how do you do that
[04:08] <vorlon> with 8,000 C++ operators
[04:14] <arraybolt3> um, what happened here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-settings/ https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-settings/1:24.04.4
[04:14] <arraybolt3> somehow the 1:24.04.4 package *was* in -proposed and was visible on the first page, but now it's vanished?
[04:17] <mwhudson> arraybolt3: um at a guess it's in the process of moving from proposed to release
[04:17] <mwhudson> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-settings/+publishinghistory
[04:18] <arraybolt3> ah, that makes sense
[04:18] <arraybolt3> I just caught it at a bad time
[04:19] <mwhudson> it isn't usually like this for very long. but it should resolve
[04:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted fwupd-snap [source] (noble-proposed) [1.9.x-0ubuntu1]
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[04:48] <liushuyu> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rpcbind/1.2.6-7build1 still depends on libtirpc3 (non-t64) version despite the previous no-change rebuild was targeted to fix that
[04:48] <liushuyu> I have looked at both libtirpc and rpcbind and can't find any clues why this happens
[04:49] <liushuyu> (probably the build was run when publisher hasn't fully published the builds?)
[04:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ubuntu-boot-test [source] (noble-proposed) [1]
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[05:48] <vorlon> liushuyu: rpcbind> the problem is that libtirpc-dev is already in the build chroot due to the previous libc6-dev dependency on it; so since rpcbind doesn't declare a versioned build-dependency, it doesn't get updated
[05:50] <liushuyu> vorlon: I see
[05:53] <liushuyu> so the build chroot itself is immutable to some extent
[05:53] <vorlon> liushuyu: so I guess someone needs to prepare uploads of all libtirpc3 revdeps with bumped build-dependencies
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[14:38] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, openmpi wants patchelf on i386...
[14:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ubuntukylin-meta [arm64] (noble-proposed/universe) [0.54] (ubuntukylin)
[14:38] <LocutusOfBorg> (due to dh-fortran-mod)
[15:03] <kanashiro> vorlon re ruby transition: the blockers are related to the armhf FTBFSes due to the 64 bits time_t transition
[15:24] <ginggs> LocutusOfBorg: can dh-fortran-mod use chrpath instead?
[15:35] <vorlon> kanashiro: any in particular?
[15:36] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: patchelf lol
[15:38] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: trying to find the thread in my mailbox, I thought there was discussion about openmpi dropping 32-bit support altogether and mpi-default-dev moving to mpich
[15:38] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: but of course mpich is not currently built on i386
[15:40] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: should we change whatever is build-depending on mpi on i386
[15:47] <vorlon> bandali: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gst-plugins-good1.0/1.24.0-1ubuntu1 so uploading packages that are in the process of being bootstrapped for time_t is not advisable right now
[15:48] <vorlon> bandali: I'll copy this to the bootstrap ppa to get it built on armhf now, and in this case it isn't slowing us down, but if it were I would be reverting the upload
[16:11] <jbicha> vorlon: ok, but some gstreamer packages were unbuildable without updating -good and -bad
[16:11] <jbicha> I've uploaded libproxy 0.5.4-3 to Debian to bootstrap it and plan to sync it late today. Let me know if you need it in Ubuntu sooner
[16:37] <bandali> vorlon, noted. the upload was indeed per Jeremy's suggestion, to help unblock the gstreamer 1.24 transition
[16:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added php8.3 to ubuntu-server in noble
[16:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added postgresql-16 to ubuntu-server in noble
[17:34] <vorlon> jbicha: uh what do you mean wrt bootstrapping libproxy?
[17:34] <vorlon> jbicha: we have libproxy in the bootstrap ppa and it's the biggest problem right now because of the webkit2gtk nonsense
[17:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: initramfs-tools (mantic-proposed/main) [0.142ubuntu15.1 => 0.142ubuntu22] (core, i386-whitelist)
[17:35] <vorlon> ah you intend to do a stage1 build?
[17:36] <vorlon> well, you can.  I've been trying to avoid pushing things to the main archive with temporary bootstrap hacks
[17:36] <vorlon> so if you do push it, I know that will speed things up
[17:36] <jbicha> vorlon: yes, it's basically the same as liushuyu's work but more targeted on architectures. And Debian can use it too
[17:37] <vorlon> sure
[17:57] <bandali> hey RikMills, kosmindoormap says it wants libkopeninghours-dev (>= 23.08.5~) but kopeninghours 23.08.5 isn't even in -proposed - would y'all please investigate? thanks
[17:58] <bandali> (itinerary in turn needs kosmindoormap)
[18:09] <santa_> bandali: I have been looking into that and I think some things were uploaded but not accepted by LP because they are not in the kubuntu package set
[18:09] <santa_> but they should be
[18:12] <santa_> missing things of plasma: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/bhXf48r6fk/
[18:12] <santa_> missing things of applications: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/Rgwmk4Prgh/
[18:14] <santa_> build status of plasma: https://groomlake.tritemio.org/ka-iron-hand_reports/applications_archive/23.08.5_noble_retry_builds.pdf
[18:14] <bandali> santa_, i see, thanks for the update. i'm guessing you'll want to work with vorlon or one of the other ubuntu-archive folks to get those packages added to the kubuntu set?
[18:16] <santa_> bandali: I was thinking about sending a mail to the devel-permissions list with the info above
[18:16] <vorlon> yes, packageset changes go via devel-permissions
[18:16] <santa_> so the wiki is updated
[18:17] <santa_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/KnowledgeBase
[18:17] <santa_> I tried to get subscribed to the list in question but I guess my request is pending on mods
[18:17] <vorlon> I'm not sure it's open to subscriptions
[18:18] <vorlon> and you don't have to be subscribed to send a request there
[18:18] <santa_> oh well, if it's not open no problem. I can send a mail there anyway
[18:18] <vorlon> you're definitely not *expected* to subscribe to the list to send requests :)
[18:20] <bandali> thanks in advance santa_ :)
[18:21] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: any insight into the doxygen build failure w/ llvm-18?
[18:21] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: should we switch it to llvm-17 in the near term?
[18:28] <doko> vorlon: I fixed it
[18:31] <vorlon> doko: ok, so we should retry the doxygen/armhf build as soon as llvm-18 publishes?
[18:31] <vorlon> looks like we hit a slow builder, 2x the build time of the previous build :/
[18:32] <doko> yes, that sucks. I also seem to be unluck with openjdk-lts bootstraps and the openjdk-8 build
[18:41] <bdrung> question for the SRU team: I want to backport a fix for the network code in initramfs-tools. noble has more autopkgtests for the network code. What is your take on backporting those autopkgtest changes to increase the test coverage?
[18:45] <rbasak> bdrung: improving tests in SRUs is always welcome. No need for an SRU bug either, just an explanation in the changelog. Of course we will then expect the tests to pass before releasing the SRU :)
[18:45] <rbasak> s/in/as part of/
[18:46] <bdrung> rbasak, okay thanks. Then I'll prepare the SRU. The autopkgtest change will be the biggest part in the diff.
[18:57] <athos> Hi ubuntu-release, could anyone have a look at this FFe for Symfony (php): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/symfony/+bug/2057636 This should be useful to fix issues with the PSR stack support across different php packages which has been facing issues for a while now...
[18:57] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2057636 in symfony (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Symfony 6" [Undecided, New]
[19:31] <LocutusOfBorg> yeah
[19:51] <kanashiro> vorlon spglib, libguestfs and libprelude
[20:09] <vpa1977> Hi, would it be possible to take a look at FFe request for jruby merge https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jruby/+bug/2056521 ?
[20:09] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2056521 in jruby (Ubuntu) "[ffe] please merge jruby <IP_ADDRESS>+ds-1 from debian unstable" [Undecided, New]
[20:23] <vorlon> would it be faster to kill the llvm-toolchain-18/armhf build and get a different builder, or let it finish...
[20:30] <vorlon> kanashiro: libguestfs> oh nooooooo
[20:30] <vorlon> ok well that's one we're working on. slowly.
[20:31] <kanashiro> once those three packages are built in armhf ruby-defaults should migrate
[20:31] <kanashiro> then we need to remove ruby3.1 from noble
[20:31] <vorlon> vpa1977: did you mean ruby3.2 compatibility
[20:31] <vorlon> (in your ffe bug)
[20:33] <vpa1977> 3.1
[20:33] <vpa1977> they are catching up
[20:38] <vorlon> vpa1977: so it still won't be compatible with ruby3.2 that we're shipping in noble?
[20:39] <vorlon> vpa1977: ah but this is a separate implementation of the interpreter anyway so it doesn't have to be on par with ruby3.2, it just has to be compatible with the ruby code being run against it
[20:39] <vpa1977> yes, but it fixes 77 bugs related to 3.1 compatibility
[20:39] <vorlon> vpa1977: approved
[20:39] <vpa1977> thank you!!!
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[02:34] <pmatulis> where does the value under the (juju status) AZ column come from if MAAS is not being used (where it would be the MAAS zone)? what kind of AZ is it?
[02:35] <pmatulis> (i'm assuming a Nova AZ)


[05:40] <trogdor> evening folks, does anyone here understand apparmor sorcery? im trying to set an application to complain but i cannot get the command to do it
[06:46] <isozar> test message


[04:18] <mup> Bug #1849320 changed: MAAS assigns wrong multipath NVMe device <sts> <curtin:Expired> <MAAS:Expired> <maas (Ubuntu):Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1849320>
[04:18] <mup> Bug #1852593 changed: Cannot read Power Configuration of locked deployed Machines <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1852593>
[04:21] <mup> Bug #1849320 changed: MAAS assigns wrong multipath NVMe device <sts> <curtin:Expired> <MAAS:Expired> <maas (Ubuntu):Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1849320>
[04:21] <mup> Bug #1849320 opened: MAAS assigns wrong multipath NVMe device <sts> <curtin:Expired> <MAAS:Expired> <maas (Ubuntu):Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1849320>
[04:21] <mup> Bug #1852593 opened: Cannot read Power Configuration of locked deployed Machines <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1852593>
[04:24] <mup> Bug #1849320 changed: MAAS assigns wrong multipath NVMe device <sts> <curtin:Expired> <MAAS:Expired> <maas (Ubuntu):Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1849320>
[04:24] <mup> Bug #1852593 changed: Cannot read Power Configuration of locked deployed Machines <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1852593>


[16:04] <mpt> Technology is overrated
[16:09] <mpt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter#updates-text shows the text that Ubuntu Software Center currently shows for Main+Restricted vs. Universe+Multiverse
[16:09] <mpt> e.g. "Updates provided: by Canonical until June 2027"
[16:09] <mpt> "Updates provided: by the Ubuntu development community"
[16:09] <mpt> etc
[16:10] <mpt> I don't remember exactly
[16:10] <mpt> mvo would know
[16:14] <mpt> I've found it helpful to avoid using "support" in favor of more specific terms, relevant ones here being "updates" and "tech support"
[16:16] <mpt> "Who supports it" = who provides updates for it?
[16:18] <mpt> Is there any current example of multiple vendors (i.e. not just Canonical) offering updates for packages in an Ubuntu archive?
[16:18] <mpt> Or would they have their own archive (with its own field data) for that?
[16:20] <cjwatson> mpt: Several non-Canonical-sponsored flavours (Kubuntu, Edubuntu, Xubuntu, others) have declared intention to provide three- or five-year updates for 12.04
[16:20] <cjwatson> They are nevertheless entirely in the Ubuntu archive
[16:21] <mpt> A flavour is not an organization, though. Would Blue Systems be an upcoming example?
[16:21] <cjwatson> A flavour is not a company; the group behind it is an organisation
[16:22] <cjwatson> In the same sense as "Ubuntu development community" in your link above
[16:22] <cjwatson> I can't speak for Blue Systems but I expect that they might be a company along these lines, though, yes
[16:23] <mpt> I felt very waffly when I specced the "Ubuntu development community" text :-)
[16:26] <mpt> ---
[16:26] <mpt> Maybe this is trivial, but something to answer perhaps: Why do people currently make Main Inclusion Requests, and what would the equivalent be?
[16:27] <xnox> mpt: well, a packageset determines if the package will land into main. So equivalent of MIR would be request to be included in the core-seed for example (or some other relevant package seed)
[16:28] <xnox> People do Main Inclusion Request to guarantee that main is self-contained and has build-dependency closure.
[16:29] <mpt> And this is the list of seeds? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.quantal/files
[16:29] <cjwatson> The MIR process is a cross between bureaucracy and a gateway for security review
[16:29] <mpt> i
[16:30] <mpt> If so, there is apparently a seed called "supported" :-)
[16:30] <cjwatson> Yes, it dates from 4.10
[16:30] <xnox> mpt: there is even a tool "seeded-in-ubuntu" to check what is where.
[16:30] <cjwatson> I wouldn't think too hard about the current exact list of seed names
[16:43] <dweaver> Canonical support list of "tech-support"  is not published as it changes due to customer demand and is often negotiated per customer.
[16:44] <cjwatson> Would it be valuable to have that clearly published per-customer (obviously to that customer only)?
[16:45] <cjwatson> Like a file on a customer's system(s) that would be consulted by Software Center et al to show what they have support for
[16:45] <mpt> That would be nifty
[16:45] <cjwatson> i.e. is that something we need to engineer generalised support for into the system, even if we don't use it straight away
[16:45] <cjwatson> (FWIW I think the proposal I had would cover that, although not the generation of such files)
[16:46] <mpt> I'd previously blue-skyed visualization of that: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackageMaintainednessPresentation#Future_work
[16:46] <cjwatson> As always I am years behind mpt
[16:47] <mpt> (That was for updates, but the same could work for tech support)
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[16:50] <SpamapS> +1 from me to revisiting the policy on build-deps
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[16:52] <mpt> A field that no program pays attention to will serve only to mislead humans :-)
[16:53] <cjwatson> Exactly
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[16:54] <mpt> Perfect timing mvo ;-)
[16:55] <mpt> mvo, http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20294/foundations-q-finish-archive-reorg/
[16:55]  * mvo looks
[16:56] <mpt> mvo, does Update Manager actually show the updates info anywhere? I don't remember
[16:56] <mvo> there is a ubuntu-support-status command
[16:56] <mpt> e.g. "Updates provided by: The Ubuntu developer community" like US
[16:56] <mpt> C
[16:56] <mvo> but iirc its not displayed in the UI
[16:57] <mpt> ok
[16:57] <mvo> hm, I personally would love to have it part of the Packages file instead of a seperate file on changelogs, or alternatively alongside Packages.gz (sorry for coming in so late)
[16:58] <mvo> but we can discuss this on the mailinglist of course
[16:58] <mpt> cjwatson, ^