[02:15] <thumper> how do I find out what my "compose" key is?
[02:15] <thumper> programatically hopefully
[02:17] <bryceh> thumper, you mean, apart from looking in the advanced keyboard layout settings dialog?
[02:17] <thumper> bryceh: yeah
[02:17] <thumper> I know that it is bound to AltGr on my keyboard
[02:17] <thumper> but I'm trying to write an automated test
[02:17] <thumper> also
[02:17] <thumper> as far as X is concerned
[02:17] <thumper> my AltGr isn't Alt_R
[02:18] <thumper> it is a multikey
[02:18] <bryceh> thumper, good question.  I've assumed it's stored in gconf, but haven't ever looked for it
[02:18] <thumper> bryceh: where is the advanced keyboard layout settings dialog?
[02:20] <thumper> nm
[02:20] <thumper> found it
[02:20] <bryceh> settings panel > keyboard > layout settings > options
[02:20]  * thumper nods
[02:20] <bryceh> rather buried
[02:46] <RAOF> thumper: You should be able to do that with xmodmap or somesuch, I think?
[03:42] <thumper> RAOF: got any more specific ways?  I've not used xmodmap before
[03:45] <RAOF> xmodmap -pk | grep -i multi_key
[03:47] <RAOF> Alternatively, if you've got a Display * and you want to learn more about the joy that is XKB, XkbGetMap appears to be your winner.
[03:49] <RAOF> thumper: Also, multi_key is X's nomenclature for the compose key.
[03:49] <thumper> RAOF: ah, ok
[05:51] <pitti> Good morning
[05:52] <pitti> jbicha: I'm not opposed to the new keyring version, I just haven't tested it at all; there's quite some code changes in there
[05:52] <pitti> jbicha: and I haven't checked for API and behavioural changes
[06:16] <jbicha> quicklist capitalization is a bit inconsistent, I think sentence case is the standard but someone else should take a look at my change to gedit
[07:12] <didrocks> good morning
[07:13] <pitti> hey didrocks
[07:13] <didrocks> guten morgen pitti, how are you?
[07:13] <pitti> quite fine, thank you! how about you?
[07:14] <didrocks> pitti: I'm fine as well, thanks ;)
[07:15] <RAOF> Bah!  That bug where <alt><right> would bring up the alt-tab switcher is back in the unity-team PPA.
[07:19] <ricotz> good morning, could someone look at this last glib change http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/glib/ubuntu/view/head:/debian/patches/61_glib-compile-schemas-path.patch -- gdbu-codegen is actually located in /usr/bin
[07:27] <didrocks> RAOF: back?
[07:27] <didrocks> RAOF: it has been fixed yesterday
[07:27]  * didrocks looks again at trunk
[07:27] <RAOF> It was fixed in the archive...
[07:27]  * RAOF may be out of date, though.
[07:28] <didrocks> RAOF: did you upgrade today? (there is no new revisions)
[07:28] <didrocks> meaning as well that remaining release critical bockers aren't fixed :/
[07:28] <didrocks> RAOF: rev 2048
[07:28] <RAOF> I'm not sure if I upgraded today or not.
[07:28] <didrocks> apt-cache policy unity ?
[07:29] <RAOF> bzr2047.  So that's fixed in the update.
[07:29] <didrocks> phew
[07:29] <didrocks> don't do that ever ever again! I have enough load of bad news from them everyday :)
[07:29] <RAOF> ...need to get 764MB of updates...
[07:46] <RAOF> Garghl.    Would a sensible error message *really* be too much to ask for?
[07:49] <didrocks> pitti: oh btw, meeting reminder day! :)
[07:56] <pitti> didrocks: merci!
[08:07] <Sweetshark> moin!
[08:09] <pitti> hey Sweetshark
[08:14]  * Sweetshark is sorting in duplicates again.
[08:21] <didrocks> hey Sweetshark
[08:22] <Sweetshark> didrocks: hey, so I heard people are reporting unitys intended behaviour as a bug?
[08:23] <Amoz> well halo thar
[08:23] <didrocks> Sweetshark: well, it's really not quite clear from the bug report, isn't it? :)
[08:23] <didrocks> Sweetshark: when you hover the panel with a libro maximized, you have the buttons as well?
[08:23] <Amoz> any updates on the shell 3.4 testing? :)
[08:33] <didrocks> pitti: argh, was about to do gnome-icon-theme :)
[08:33] <pitti> didrocks: ok, then please do
[08:33] <didrocks> pitti: ok, for once I have some times to do some GNOME updates ;)
[08:33] <pitti> didrocks: -symbolic, too?
[08:33] <didrocks> yeah ;)
[08:34] <pitti> didrocks: I'll merge ibus then
[08:34] <didrocks> good luck :)
[08:36] <didrocks> pitti: ah, -symbolic is in sync from debian, maybe you want to upload to experimental + sync?
[08:36] <pitti> we could do that, yes
[08:36] <pitti> but then we should also update g-i-t
[08:37] <pitti> (in Debian)
[08:37] <didrocks> hum, as you wish then :)
[08:37] <pitti> didrocks: for now, I think it's a bit far ahead in Debian
[08:37] <pitti> we barely got the new glib
[08:37] <didrocks> pitti: ok, let's upload to ubuntu directly for now then
[08:37] <didrocks> ah ahead
[08:38] <didrocks> ok, let's wait for syncing for -symbolic maybe
[08:43] <Sweetshark> didrocks: with libo maximized it works
[08:43] <didrocks> Sweetshark: ok, let's wait on the bug report then
[08:43] <Sweetshark> didrocks: with LibreOffice in fullscreen mode it doesnt and it shouldnt
[08:44] <didrocks> indeed
[09:07] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, this isn't good. i can't configure both of my displays to be on this morning
[09:11] <ronoc> mvo - ping ?
[09:11] <seb128> hey
[09:12] <didrocks> salut seb128
[09:12] <seb128> lut didrocks, en forme?
[09:12] <didrocks> seb128: ça va, et toi? :)
[09:13] <seb128> un peu fatigué mais ca va sinon
[09:13] <didrocks> travaillé tard, non?
[09:13] <seb128> didrocks, pitti, jbicha: thanks for doing updates!
[09:13] <pitti> hey seb128
[09:13] <seb128> didrocks, yeah, until 1am, wanted to get the new gtk out
[09:13] <seb128> but I got it in the ppa after all, it's a bit buggy
[09:13] <seb128> hey pitti
[09:16] <seb128> pitti, no need of meeting reminder reminder today I see!
[09:16] <pitti> seb128: didrocks already reminded me
[09:16] <seb128> pitti, http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/bug-fixing/canonical-desktop-team-precise-fixes-report.html
[09:16] <seb128> pitti, so we tie again!
[09:16]  * pitti ^5s seb128
[09:16] <chrisccoulson> who broke multimonitor in precise? ;)
[09:16] <pitti> it would be nice if we could tie at precise release time
[09:17] <pitti> chrisccoulson: broken how? seems to work here
[09:17] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i can't get both screens to switch on. i just get an obscure error from the display panel
[09:17] <chrisccoulson> and now i've managed to get unity to think both screens are on
[09:18] <chrisccoulson> and all my windows are appearing on the screen that i can't see
[09:18] <seb128> chrisccoulson, was there any xorg or unity change recently?
[09:18] <chrisccoulson> not sure
[09:18] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I blame hardware and your dock station :p
[09:18] <chrisccoulson> 1 second, i'm going to have to log out again
[09:18] <chrisccoulson> this must be about the 7th time already in 15 minutes ;)
[09:18] <seb128> I had weird cases where I had to power off my laptop to "fix" ports detection
[09:20]  * pitti notes that "tig_ER" is a funny name for a locale
[09:20] <seb128> pitti, is that really a locale?!
[09:20] <chrisccoulson> ok, it's definitely completely broken here :(
[09:21] <pitti> seb128: yes, just spotted it when running langpack-locale's tests
[09:21] <seb128> didrocks, gnome-icon-theme-symbolic (didrocks) -> let's wait on debian to sync it?
[09:21] <seb128> didrocks, I think we can wait after precise if we do that :p or ping pitti to do the update in Debian...
[09:21] <didrocks> seb128: pitti told me that debian was ahead of us?
[09:21] <pitti> seb128: we quickly mentioned it, but if we update it in debian, we should update g-i-t in experimental, too
[09:21] <pitti> certianly doable
[09:22] <pitti> didrocks: err, no?
[09:22] <pitti> I meant that starting to update gnome packages to 3.4 sounds a bit early for Debian at this point
[09:22] <pitti> we just barely got a newer glib
[09:22] <didrocks> 09:37:18         pitti | didrocks: for now, I think it's a bit far ahead in Debian
[09:22] <didrocks> ah
[09:22] <didrocks> ok, I understood the opposite
[09:22] <didrocks> will do then :)
[09:22] <pitti> sorry for the confusion
[09:22] <didrocks> no, *I*'m sorry for it :)
[09:22] <pitti> seb128: "Tigre" in Eritrea
[09:23] <didrocks> ok, gedit crashes on closing
[09:23] <seb128> pitti, learning every day ;-)
[09:23] <pitti> seb128: it does sound like there could be a few tigers there, though :)
[09:23] <didrocks> not sure how much jbicha tried it
[09:23] <seb128> didrocks, .6?
[09:23] <didrocks> seb128: yeah
[09:23] <seb128> didrocks, by experience those are often due to plugins, maybe you use one that he doesn't?
[09:24] <didrocks> seb128: hum, I think I have quite a stock config
[09:24] <seb128> let me upgrad
[09:24] <didrocks> seb128: it's in the vcs still
[09:24] <didrocks> because he wanted to check the quicklist changed (see the pad)
[09:24] <seb128> oh ok
[09:27] <mvo> ronoc: pong
[09:27] <ronoc> mvo, hey
[09:28] <ronoc> mvo, so i noticed yesterday that the RestartSchedule'd' signal has been renamed
[09:28] <ronoc> to RestartSchedule()
[09:28] <ronoc> on the packagekit interface
[09:29] <ronoc> is this to stay that way
[09:29] <ronoc> the i-session will of course not be sensitive to such signals if it's matching against the wrong string
[09:30] <seb128> ronoc, hey
[09:31] <seb128> ronoc, glatzor seemed to say it didn't yesterday, are you sure you didn't typoed it in your commit?
[09:31] <Sweetshark> didrocks: hmmm, the plot thickens ..
[09:32] <ronoc> seb128, am maybe i did, i thought it did work previously
[09:32] <didrocks> Sweetshark: what do you mean?
[09:32] <ronoc> i will change it back now to 'RestartSchedule'
[09:35] <seb128> ronoc, thanks
[09:35] <pitti> tkamppeter_: do you have an opinion on the patch in debian bug 662660 ?
[09:35] <ubot2`> Debian bug 662660 in cups-filters "cups-filters: Please drop ttf-freefonts and use fontconfig to find the best-matching similar font" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/662660
[09:35] <pitti> tkamppeter_: seems upstreamable to me
[09:38] <Sweetshark> didrocks: LibreOffice is doing fine. lo-menubar is acting up.
[09:40] <Sweetshark> didrocks: see bug 884523, bug 945317. the second one is esp. interesting as it is 2d only.
[09:40] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 884523 in unity-2d "after oct 31 update, libreoffice can't detach from global menu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/884523
[09:40] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 945317 in unity-2d "menubar doesn't show in unity2d" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/945317
[09:40] <didrocks> Sweetshark: please ping the 2d guys on #ubuntu-unity then
[09:40] <didrocks> for #1, seems to be an extension issue
[09:41] <Saviq> didrocks, did you encounter "#error "Only <glib.h> can be included directly.""?
[09:41] <Saviq> didrocks, Hud.h includes <glib/gvariant.h>
[09:41] <pitti> seb128: hm, did we decide to keep libgnomekbd at 3.2, or has there just not been a 3.3.x release yet?
[09:41] <seb128> pitti, the second
[09:42] <pitti> seb128: grabbing then; also, want me to do nautilus, or do you want to?
[09:42]  * pitti grabs gnome-themes-standard, too
[09:42] <seb128> pitti, as noted on the pad it's done in the vcs but blocked on gtk to be uploaded
[09:42] <seb128> pitti, gtk breaks mouse whell scrolling
[09:42] <pitti> seb128: ah sorry, missed that
[09:43] <seb128> which is rather annoying for users
[09:43] <pitti> indeed
[09:43] <seb128> so I keep it in the ppa until that's sorted
[09:45] <didrocks> Saviq: I think you need to include glib.h before including glib/gvariant.h
[09:45] <Saviq> didrocks, yeah, sounds like it, but it's in UnityCore/Hud.h
[09:46] <didrocks> Saviq: try on your side, before including Hud.h to include glib.h directly
[09:46] <Saviq> didrocks, yup, doing that
[09:51] <tkamppeter> pitti, for me it looks OK. What is missing is the aprropriate portion for ./configure. Especially there one could perhaps even make the build dependency on fontconfig optional, so that a packager or a user can decide whether he wants the fontconfig bits (we want them).
[09:55] <pitti> tkamppeter: ah, it already build-deps on fontconfig-dev, so I had assumed it already uses it anyway
[09:57] <tkamppeter> pitti, then perhaps another componant uses fontconfig.
[09:57] <pitti> tkamppeter: ah, I think it was a workaround for the new poppler
[09:59] <pitti> tkamppeter: I want to upload cups-filters to D/U today, do you still have anything for this?
[10:00] <tkamppeter> pitti, then I will add that patch upstream and make a new upstream release and prepare a package on the BZR for you to upload.
[10:01] <tkamppeter> pitti, but now I remember that I am still waiting for a pdftopdf fix from larsu.
[10:02] <pitti> tkamppeter: ah, it's not that urgent (the fontconfig patch)
[10:02] <pitti> tkamppeter: but if you want to, sure
[10:03] <tkamppeter> pitti, pdftoopvp seems to use fontconfig, therefore ./configure already checks for it.
[10:04] <pitti> meh, the i386 CD is again oversized -- stop bloating!
[10:06] <pitti> added python-paramiko, libo grew a bit
[10:07] <pitti> ah, duplicity pulls in paramiko now
[10:11] <pitti> TheMuso: do you want to handle the atk1.0 update to 3.3.91?
[10:17] <Saviq> didrocks, the hack you did for unity-merger doesn't seem to work
[10:18] <didrocks> Saviq: argh, it doesn't install unity-common?
[10:18] <didrocks> Saviq: I need to test it myself, will do shortly
[10:18] <Saviq> didrocks, the dir isn't there in time for B
[10:18] <Saviq> s/B/D/
[10:18] <Saviq> scripts
[10:19] <didrocks> ah, crap :/
[10:19] <didrocks> need to check if the .dsc is there then
[10:19] <didrocks> will have a look lalter
[10:20] <Saviq> didrocks, I'll check out things and let you know
[10:23] <didrocks> and a nice kernel panic for me :(
[10:23] <seb128> :-(
[10:24] <seb128> chrisccoulson, did you solve your monitor issues?
[10:24] <chrisccoulson> seb128, not yet. i'm on just one screen :(
[10:25] <Saviq> didrocks, "/var/cache/pbuilder/precise-amd64/result/unity-2d_5.4.0-0ubuntu1.dsc" is there
[10:26] <didrocks> Saviq: well, I'm alreay in the chroot, so I need to look here
[10:26] <Saviq> didrocks, that's the chroot
[10:27] <didrocks> Saviq: yeah, but you have as well all the other packages, isn't?
[10:27] <Saviq> didrocks, I dropped to shell in D10specifitests
[10:27] <Saviq> didrocks, that's the only .dsc, though
[10:27] <didrocks> ah interesting then :)
[10:27] <didrocks> ok, will use that then
[10:27] <didrocks> can you give it a try?
[10:27] <didrocks> with -f
[10:27] <Saviq> didrocks, but I didn't build anything else there
[10:28] <Saviq> didrocks, so there might be more .dsc if you build other things, no?
[10:28] <didrocks> ah
[10:28] <didrocks> yeah
[10:28] <didrocks> Saviq: nothing in /tmp/buildd ?
[10:28] <Saviq> didrocks, empty
[10:28] <didrocks> hum…
[10:28] <didrocks> need to give a deeper look, not now though :(
[10:28] <Saviq> didrocks, `find -name *unity-2d* /` only gave me the /var/cache :/
[10:29] <Saviq> didrocks, that's fine, just wanted to let you know what I found
[10:35] <chrisccoulson> seb128, hmmm, so, deleting my monitor.xml "fixes" it ;)
[10:35] <seb128> :-(
[10:35] <seb128> was it corrupted?
[10:36] <seb128> the xrandr code didn't change recently I think
[10:38] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, there's a couple of strange configurations in there actually
[10:39] <chrisccoulson> those 2 are weird: http://paste.ubuntu.com/871264/
[10:40] <seb128> yeah, I get chrisccoulson to do desktop debugging for the second time this week \o/ :p
[10:40] <chrisccoulson> seeing as i have no VGA, and one of them has no settings for the laptop panel, which is what i couldn't get to switch on
[10:40] <seb128> weird
[10:40] <seb128> the question is to know how you landed with that config...
[10:41] <chrisccoulson> not sure :)
[10:41] <seb128> did you use the capplet recently?
[10:41] <seb128> or cycle using the hotkey?
[10:42] <chrisccoulson> i haven't used either of those for a while
[10:42] <chrisccoulson> but i did dock with my lid closed this morning, which i don't normally do
[11:12] <ricotz> seb128, hi
[11:12] <seb128> ricotz, hey
[11:12] <ricotz> seb128, did my message about glib reach you somehow?
[11:12] <seb128> ricotz, no
[11:13] <ricotz> gdbus-codegen is located in /usr/bin
[11:13] <ricotz> not in /usr/lib/...
[11:13] <seb128> oh, so the .pc is wrong?
[11:13] <ricotz> no the patch is wrong ;)
[11:13] <seb128> well, the patch to the .pc
[11:13] <seb128> so the .pc in result
[11:13] <ricotz> yeah
[11:14] <seb128> gotcha, I didn't look hard, I though it was similar to the other binaries
[11:14] <seb128> shouldn't it be installed in the same dir than the others?
[11:15] <ricotz> hmm, not sure
[11:17] <seb128> ricotz, I will fix it in the next upload, thanks
[11:17] <seb128> ricotz, is anything using the .pc to get the gdbus command?
[11:17] <seb128> pitti, there? how did you "  import 1.1.4.is.1.1.3-0ubuntu1 upload: Revert to 1.1.3 until we can figure out proper solution to bug 944736
[11:17] <seb128> "
[11:17] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 944736 in lightdm "Fails to load any session" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/944736
[11:17] <ricotz> seb128, ok, dont know, but if so it will break
[11:17] <seb128> in lightdm?
[11:18] <pitti> seb128: I grabbed the debdiff from LP and applied it
[11:18] <seb128> pitti, ok
[11:18] <pitti> seb128: so that commit could just be reverted before upgrading to the new version (except changelog)
[11:18] <ricotz> pitti, hi
[11:18] <pitti> ricotz: hallo, wie gehts?
[11:19] <seb128> pitti, right, I tried to bzr merge-upstream but it's making my life miserable
[11:19] <seb128> pitti, tons of conflicts, I tried to resolve --take-other
[11:19] <seb128>  198 files changed, 11371 insertions(+), 12080 deletions(-)
[11:19] <seb128> in the diff.gz
[11:19] <pitti> seb128: right, I think you need to revert that reversion before
[11:19] <seb128> pitti, I will try to reverse that commit and then merge-upstream
[11:19] <pitti> seb128: want me to have a look?
[11:19] <pitti> ah, or that
[11:19] <seb128> pitti, no, that's fine
[11:19] <seb128> pitti, I've everything locally
[11:19] <ricotz> pitti, gut, danke, und selbst?
[11:20] <seb128> pitti, I just tried other approchs but failed
[11:20] <pitti> ricotz: prima
[11:20] <ricotz> pitti, there migth be some new LO ppa builds this week ;)
[11:20] <ricotz> pitti, lucid worked fine without cheating
[11:21] <pitti> nice
[11:21] <ricotz> (it only used 21gb for amd64)
[11:31] <ronoc> mvo, that 'RestartSchedule' bug is not being triggered
[11:31] <ronoc> mvo, what package should i point the relevant bug to
[11:33] <ricotz> seb128, do you check gtk yet?
[11:33] <mvo> ronoc: aptdaemon please
[11:34] <ronoc> cool
[11:36] <seb128> ricotz, it's in the desktop team ppa, I still have the mouse whell scrolling issues your mentioned
[11:36] <seb128> ricotz, did you talk to mclasen about it?
[11:37] <ricotz> seb128, no yet, feel free to do so
[11:38] <seb128> ricotz, I plan to ;-) would have been useful before the release though :-(
[11:38] <ronoc> mvo, https://bugs.launchpad.net/aptdaemon/+bug/942104
[11:38] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 942104 in indicator-session "the indicator stopped turning red on restart required" [High,New]
[11:38] <ricotz> seb128, i was asking him about the libxi dependency which isnt working for the patched one in oneiric
[11:38] <ricotz> seb128, as i said yesterday, disabling the xi2.2 might help
[11:39] <ricotz> *support
[11:39] <seb128> ricotz, well, ideally we want both
[11:39] <seb128> xi2.2 and mouse whell
[11:39] <seb128> I will talk to mclasen
[11:39] <ricotz> right, i am not sure gtk is blocking something already
[11:40] <ricotz> so this would be an option
[11:40] <seb128> only nautilus
[11:40] <seb128> which has 3 commits, 2 coming from Ubuntu (fixes from mterry) we have and one to fix scrolling with the new gtk
[11:40] <mvo> ronoc: ta
[11:41] <ricotz> seb128, i see
[11:45] <pitti> seb128: lightdm happier now?
[11:46] <seb128> pitti, yes, I got it sorted, thanks
[11:46] <seb128> pitti, I still don't understand bzr resolve --take-other was not working
[11:46] <seb128> but after reverting your commit it's working
[11:47] <pitti> good
[11:50] <tkamppeter> pitti, larsu has found the cause of the N-up problem of pdftopdf and will work on it this afternonn. cups-filters will most probably ready for its next upload tomorrow in the morning.
[11:51] <pitti> tkamppeter: nice, that sounds fine
[12:23] <gema> rickspencer3: are you there?
[12:23] <gema> rickspencer3: we have a bug that needs to be fixed to unblock software center testing and it is not getting enough attention, bug 937119
[12:24] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 937119 in unity "unity-panel-service crashed with SIGSEGV in g_hash_table_foreach()" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/937119
[12:24] <gema> rickspencer3: any help from you to get some traction on this issue much appreciated
[12:33] <lenios> hi there
[12:33] <lenios> asked in -devel but heard it might be better to ask here: how would you recommend overriding a setting set in a /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/*.gschema.override file? (for example org.gnome.desktop.background)
[12:35] <tkamppeter> pitti, I tried the patch from http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=662660. I uninstalled ttf-freefont (with --force-depends). The job completes (does not error out and gets removed from the queue) but the output is unreadable.
[12:35] <ubot2`> Debian bug 662660 in cups-filters "cups-filters: Please drop ttf-freefonts and use fontconfig to find the best-matching similar font" [Wishlist,Open]
[12:35] <didrocks> gema: that would be nice that 1. you state that earlier 2. pinged the upstream first (the unity team) 3. try to ping the maintainer in ubuntu before (me)
[12:36] <tkamppeter> pitti, I have also tried to remove the links in /usr/share/cups/fonts/ and it still gives the bad printout.
[12:36] <didrocks> gema: I have a priority list where I put items for the upstream list when people ask first
[12:37] <chrisccoulson_> fantastic. we have a power cut
[12:37] <chrisccoulson_> for probably the first time since i've lived here!
[12:37] <didrocks> rickspencer3: FYI ^
[12:48] <gema> didrocks: we had someone from unity there saying they cannot reproduce
[12:48] <gema> didrocks: but now that I know you are the contact person, will do in the future
[12:49] <gema> didrocks: do you think you can have that at least looked at at some point soonish?
[12:49] <didrocks> gema: he didn't tell that, he told the stacktrace wasn't helpful
[12:49] <gema> didrocks: he has the code to reproduce the problem
[12:49] <didrocks> gema: yeah, I'm putting it on the priority list with a high version
[12:49] <gema> didrocks: thanks
[12:49] <didrocks> priority*
[12:49] <gema> rickspencer3: forget about it, found the man I needed to find :)
[12:49] <didrocks> gema: we will have hopefully a new unity release tomorrow, once the release critical will be fixed
[12:49] <didrocks> (this won't contain this fix though)
[12:50] <didrocks> but I'll ensure they get it fixed then
[12:50] <didrocks> and will backport in the package
[12:50] <gema> didrocks: fair enough, as long as it is on your radar for beta 2 I am happy
[12:50] <didrocks> gema: ok, thanks :)
[12:50] <gema> didrocks: dave is having trouble testing software centre due to it, so it is in everyone's benefit to have it fixed as soon as we can
[12:51] <gema> didrocks: sorry for the misunderstanding!
[12:51] <didrocks> gema: no worry, I'll keep you posted
[12:52] <gema> didrocks: thanks a lot
[12:52] <didrocks> gema: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuMtju1x8UoEdDNCT1U5MlVodjIwNGJPdnU5YVltVmc#gid=1 is the priority list
[12:52] <gema> didrocks: cool, I will bookmark it
[12:53] <pitti> tkamppeter: ah, thanks for trying
[12:54] <tkamppeter> pitti, so as it is I will not take the patch upstream, it needs some more work.
[12:55] <pitti> tkamppeter: CC'ed you on my reply
[12:55] <pitti> tkamppeter: right
[12:56] <tkamppeter> pitti, thanks.
[13:08] <pitti> seb128: meh, gconf renamed its library?
[13:08] <pitti> libgconf2-4 -> libgconf-2-4 apparently
[13:08] <pitti> just saw it in binNEW
[13:09] <seb128> pitti, dunno, talk to slangasek, I saw he merged the multiarch debian version
[13:09] <seb128> but I didn't look into details, I guess they did
[13:09] <seb128> http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gconf/news/20120226T133315Z.html
[13:09] <pitti> *shrug*, ok
[13:09] <seb128>      + Rename libgconf2-4 to libgconf-2-4, make it MA: same.
[13:09] <seb128>      + Make libgconf2-4 a dummy MA: same package depending on both too.
[13:09] <seb128> pitti, ^
[13:10] <seb128> yeah for useless renames...
[13:38] <pitti> silly LP exception in the amd64 retracer, restarting..
[13:45] <pitti> doctor appointment, bbl
[13:56] <jbicha> good morning
[13:58] <jbicha> so why does Design not like sentence case any more? "Lock to launcher" seems a pretty strong counter-example
[13:58] <jbicha> but then again, it's just terribly inconsistent, "Empty Trash", "New Terminal", Nautilus' "Open a new window"
[14:00] <seb128> jbicha, hey, how are you?
[14:00] <jbicha> I want to follow up on the Design mailing list but I'm curious who made the decision for Design this time
[14:00] <seb128> jbicha, it's a bit complicated, HIG, GNOME, etc use "New Tab"
[14:00] <seb128> design whant "New tab"
[14:00] <seb128> style
[14:01] <seb128> I told John it was a bit idea since that inconsistent with GNOME etc
[14:01] <seb128> but he says our design guideline suggest only the start of sentence to be capital cased
[14:01] <seb128> so our options are to follow GNOME or to patch everything out
[14:01] <seb128> I told him we should take the easiest path and follow GNOME style for the lts
[14:02] <seb128> then discuss it at UDS
[14:02] <seb128> jbicha, does it make sense?
[14:02] <jbicha> seb128: ok, but that decision needs to be announced or something with all the quicklist activity going on
[14:02] <ogra_> tsk, capitalized letters are so overrated, we should drop the first letter capitalization too
[14:03] <ogra_> for consistency
[14:03] <seb128> jbicha, it was?
[14:03] <jbicha> seb128: where?
[14:03] <seb128> jbicha, the unity list wiki recommend capitalized style and mhall went through the merge request with updated instructions
[14:03] <seb128> jbicha, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/LauncherAPI
[14:03] <seb128> jbicha, "a Name=, which is the entry as it's displayed which should be in title case. "
[14:04] <seb128> the example as well
[14:04] <seb128> Name=Take a Screenshot of the Current Window
[14:04] <jbicha> seb128: ok, fair enough, the screenshot on that page needs updating though
[14:04] <seb128> right
[14:04] <jbicha> thanks
[14:04] <seb128> yw
[14:04] <seb128> jbicha, sorry for the mess
[14:05] <seb128> jbicha, it's still not clear what is best to me, design recommendation and what they use is conflicting with what we used until now and GNOME is doing
[14:05] <seb128> so either way it's going to be work
[14:05] <seb128> jbicha, do you have an opinion on what is best as an english speaker? ;-)
[14:07] <jbicha> I don't think there's a clear best, title case is traditional, but for a good counter-example, the new GNOME help uses sentence case for titles
[14:08] <seb128> shrug
[14:08] <seb128> jbicha, do you know if GNOME has any guideline or preference for their list if they plan to it for shell?
[14:12] <jbicha> seb128: except for help, they seem to still use title case everywhere
[14:12] <seb128> jbicha, ok, we will stay on that for this cycle
[14:28] <jbicha> oh and I do get an apport crash popup when I close gedit 3.3.6 here
[14:28] <seb128> jbicha, yeah, didrocks was mentioning that this morning
[14:28] <seb128> jbicha, he didn't upload because of it
[14:54]  * pitti retries control-center amd64 build
[14:55] <desrt> pitti: hello.
[14:55] <desrt> off the phone? :)
[14:56] <pitti> hey desrt
[14:56] <pitti> heh, yes
[14:56] <seb128> pitti, I'm about to update control-center so probably no need to retry old builds
[14:56] <seb128> desrt, hey
[14:56] <desrt> so i was noticing that the latest precise doesn't do XDG_RUNTIME_DIR
[14:57] <desrt> even though i've been telling for over a year that it is really necessary to support this
[14:57] <desrt> meanwhile, i have some patches waiting on bugzilla for improving NFS support that depend very heavily on this functionality
[14:58] <pitti> right, it's something systemd specific
[14:58] <pitti> so we might get it next cycle
[14:58] <desrt> pitti: you told me some time ago that it could probably be implemented in consolekit or so
[14:58] <pitti> but I don't really see us crowbaring this into CK at this point :(
[14:58] <pitti> desrt: right, just nobody found the time to do it, and so far it's not a mandatory feature
[14:58] <desrt> pitti: you didn't really have any lack of advance warning... :/
[14:59] <desrt> pitti: well... dconf-on-nfs on ubuntu is already somewhat broken
[14:59] <desrt> but it's about to get worse
[15:00] <desrt> anyway... i agree that it's no time to hack it in at this point
[15:01] <pitti> we can get something like /var/run/user/ relatively quick, but it won't have all the required properties
[15:01] <desrt> so i'm going to hold off on accepting the patch until next cycle
[15:01] <pitti> in particular, cleaning it up when the user logs out sounds a bit racy
[15:01] <desrt> but you really really need to promise to do XDG_RUNTIME_DIR next cycle :p
[15:01] <pitti> that needs some actual CK support
[15:01] <desrt> (one way or another)
[15:02] <chrisccoulson_> we're switching to systemd, aren't we?
[15:02] <chrisccoulson_> ;)
[15:02]  * pitti assigns bug 894391 to himself
[15:02] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 894391 in consolekit "support $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/894391
[15:02] <desrt> chrisccoulson: that would certainly be the easiest way :p
[15:03] <seb128> chrisccoulson, we as desktop are over those level :p
[15:03] <seb128> chrisccoulson, no sure what foundation is doing ;-)
[15:04]  * desrt doesn't really care about the mechanism -- only the interface
[15:04] <seb128> but I'm for sure not putting my hands on init stuff
[15:04] <seb128> whatever they want ;-)
[15:04] <seb128> I like my system to boot though
[15:04] <seb128> so I'm not looking forward an init system change if there is one
[15:04] <mdeslaur> seb128: what, you don't want to be converting init scripts to systemd and fixing boot races full time for the next 4 releases?
[15:05] <seb128> mdeslaur, exactly what I'm not looking for indeed!
[15:05] <mdeslaur> hehe
[15:05] <seb128> I remember how many years it took us to get sound working again, please let my init alone ;-)
[15:05] <mdeslaur> +1
[15:06] <desrt> mdeslaur: going to sign the anti-lennart petition? :)
[15:06] <desrt> "first he broke my sound... then he broke my init..."
[15:06] <ogra_> there is a petition ?
[15:06] <desrt> ya
[15:06] <desrt> it's hilarious
[15:06]  * ogra_ looks for his pen
[15:06] <chrisccoulson> i was just about to say that it sounds like we're suggesting that everything lennart writes is unreliable ;)
[15:06] <desrt> http://www.change.org/petitions/lennart-poettering-stop-writing-useless-programs-systemd-journal
[15:06] <desrt> 235 people signed it
[15:06] <chrisccoulson> hah
[15:06] <ogra_> lol
[15:06] <mdeslaur> desrt: ha! awesome :)
[15:11] <pitti> mterry: good morning
[15:11] <mterry> pitti, hi!
[15:11] <pitti> mterry: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/duplicity/0.6.18-0ubuntu1 -> how much does this need paramiko? It's a very large package (0.8 MB)
[15:12] <mterry> pitti, needs it for ssh.  We can't drop python-pexpect due to the switch?
[15:12] <mterry> (not for ssh as used by deja-dup though)
[15:13] <mterry> (so we could drop it to a suggests without a big loss of functionality for desktop users)
[15:13] <pitti> mterry: no, hplip and checkbox also need it (and it's smaller, too)
[15:13] <mterry> ah right
[15:13] <pitti> mterry: just trying to see what we can remove again, as the CDs once again are oversized :/
[15:14] <mterry> pitti, ah in that case, I can drop it to a recommends
[15:14] <mterry> i mean a suggests
[15:14] <seb128> pitti, we will not win  the space back from langpacks base update at release?
[15:14] <pitti> mterry: so it either calls the ssh binary through pexpect or uses paramiko to do it via a library?
[15:14] <pitti> seb128: first, the update packs are empty, and second, not on the live system
[15:14] <seb128> pitti, did we drop ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk yet?
[15:14] <pitti> only on alternates (but they have no problem)
[15:15] <pitti> seb128: I dropped it in the seeds, yes; let me check if we have -meta rebuilt
[15:15] <pitti> Task: ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-usb, edubuntu-desktop, edubuntu-usb
[15:15] <pitti> aah
[15:15]  * pitti rebuilds
[15:15] <pitti> seb128: we'll add u1-installer instead
[15:15] <pitti> anyway, rebuilding meta, and then let's see what tomorrow's image does
[15:15] <mterry> pitti, no it can't use pexpect anymore.  But it has its own baked in ssh backend that uses paramiko or it has a GIO backend which can be used for all the non-cloud protocols, which is what Deja Dup does
[15:16] <pitti> mterry: hm, dropping ssh support would be a shame
[15:16] <mterry> pitti, well, users and Deja Dup can just use the GIO ssh backend for it
[15:16] <pitti> oh, if that works, sure
[15:17] <mterry> pitti, yeah.  Deja Dup users would never notice.  Only users of the commandline, who would have to add --gio to their command line
[15:17] <mterry> Or install python-paramiko
[15:20] <pitti> so, dropping u1-control-panel-gtk will save us *gasp* 80 kB
[15:20] <seb128> :-(
[15:24] <desrt> how is CD space this cycle, anyway?
[15:24] <pitti> desrt: we were within limits for beta-1
[15:24] <pitti> after much squeezing :)
[15:24]  * desrt doesn't get what took up all the extra space
[15:24] <desrt> we dropped mono for crying out loud
[15:25] <pitti> desrt: that was only 6 MB or so
[15:25] <pitti> current mono is split up rather well
[15:25] <pitti> desrt: and we added python 3, and firefox/tbird grew quite a bit
[15:25] <desrt> so what filled the 56MB?
[15:25] <desrt> ah
[15:25] <pitti> we dropped py3 again, and tbird/ffox shrank by 1 MB again
[15:25] <desrt> so chrisccoulson's fault, mostly
[15:25] <pitti> the kernel/firmware also grew quite a bit
[15:26] <desrt> that makes sense
[15:26] <desrt> that's something that is going to be more complicated soon
[15:26] <pitti> no, not really
[15:26] <chrisccoulson> i was hoping they would shrink by a bit more than that :(
[15:26] <pitti> next cycle we get a 750 MB limit, and it'll grow
[15:26] <desrt> no linux-weird-storage-drivers-modules package?
[15:26] <pitti> i. e. sabdfl said we'd do USB images
[15:27] <desrt> ya... to be honest, burning to a CD is something that i stopped doing a while ago anyway
[15:27] <desrt> quite a shame, though
[15:27] <pitti> yeah, same here
[15:27] <desrt> just as we have this cool new technology for an image file that boots from USB and also CD...
[15:27] <desrt> we remove the ability to burn it to a CD :p
[15:27] <desrt> i guess people may still use DVD
[15:27] <pitti> desrt: that wasn't the main concern
[15:27] <pitti> you can use a DVD
[15:28] <pitti> the main concerns are (1) every extra 50 MB will lose you so many people who can't download it any more due to slow bandwidth
[15:28] <jbicha> pitti: I thought next cycle would be 800 MB ;) or is it "use or lose"? :(
[15:28] <pitti> and (2) it removes the pressure for not piling up too much cruft
[15:28] <pitti> jbicha: or 800, don't remember
[15:28] <pitti> but in principle we'll go towards 1 GB
[15:29] <desrt> pitti: the good news is the decrease in software complexity from not having to do more and more dirty hacks to save 1MB here and there
[15:29] <desrt> pitti: and the users you lose because of buggy behaviour due to that
[15:30] <pitti> desrt: I'm not sure whether putting more and more libraries and runtimes on your system counts as "decreased complexity"
[15:30] <pitti> desrt: py2, py3, gtk2, gtk3, its C#, C++, python and perhaps gs bindings, Erlang
[15:30] <pitti> we had images like that
[15:31] <desrt> pitti: right.. but given that you require that you have a choice about how to do it
[15:36] <desrt> pitti: so did you hear about the new gcr?
[15:36] <pitti> desrt: the splitout from libgnome-keyring? sure
[15:37] <desrt> pitti: the fact that we require the 3.4 version if we want gnome-shell 3.4
[15:37] <seb128> desrt, didrocks, chrisccoulson, pitti: can you "xinput list <your_mouse">
[15:37] <pitti> desrt: bug 947447
[15:37] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 947447 in gnome-keyring "[FFe] gnome-keyring/seahorse 3.4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/947447
[15:37] <seb128> xinput list, spot your mouse, and do it on the number
[15:37] <seb128> and give me the increment value please
[15:38] <seb128> i.e xinput list 10 | grep increment
[15:38] <desrt> increment: -1.000000
[15:38] <pitti> my usb mouse: increment: -1.000000
[15:38] <desrt> that's my external USB mouse
[15:38] <desrt> the internal mouse device for my thinkpad has no such field
[15:38] <pitti> my trackpad: increment: 111.000000
[15:38] <seb128> thanks
[15:39] <didrocks> increment: -nan
[15:39] <pitti> trackpoint: no such field
[15:39] <desrt> trackpad for me is also 111
[15:39] <didrocks> funny :)
[15:39] <pitti> didrocks: double negation!
[15:39] <desrt> oh ieee754
[15:39] <seb128> nan here as well
[15:39] <seb128> it's what breaks gtk scrolling
[15:39] <seb128> didrocks, is that amd64?
[15:39] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, does it means it's a number at the end? :)
[15:39] <didrocks> seb128: no, i386
[15:39] <didrocks> Microsoft Microsoft 3-Button Mouse with IntelliEye(TM)
[15:39] <pitti> amd64 here
[15:39] <pitti> A4Tech USB Mouse
[15:40] <didrocks> (yeah, a bad gift/joke from my ex-coworkers ;))
[15:40] <seb128> didrocks, ok, maybe a 32b issue, thanks
[15:40] <desrt> seb128: blame RAOF :)
[15:40] <seb128> desrt, I'm blaming cnd for now
[15:40] <seb128> desrt, debugging with him
[15:40] <desrt> seb128: be nice to him.  he's had a rough week :p
  I have -nan on my i386 netbook
[15:42] <pitti> see, i386 can't even represent -1 properly
[15:42] <pitti> this arch should die
[15:42] <seb128> lol
[15:42] <broder> can we start bootstrapping x32 instead? :)
[15:43] <desrt> x32 is using the new feature of the amd64 instruction set with 32bit pointers, right?
[15:44] <broder> right. so all the extra register goodness of amd64 without the memory overhead of doubling your pointer size
[15:44] <desrt> extra registers are not all good...
[15:44] <desrt> more registers = higher context switch latency
[15:45] <desrt> the best feature of amd64 is the ip-relative addressing mode, anyway :)
[15:45] <desrt> no more call-and-pop thunk :D
[15:51] <Ursinha> pitti, hello :) unity* packages should be our concern, right? desktop team, that is
[15:51] <pitti> Ursinha: yes, shared between desktop and DX
[15:52] <Ursinha> pitti, right; I'm asking because there is a lp team to which all packages we need to be aware of bugs are subscribed to
[15:52] <Ursinha> and unity packages aren't there
[15:52] <Ursinha> I'm subscribing them
[15:53] <Ursinha> and thanks :) no one replies irc as fast as you do
[15:53] <seb128> Ursinha, pitti: can't we just add the unity set to the script rather than duplicate it?
[15:53] <Ursinha> seb128, not sure what you mean
[15:54] <Ursinha> seb128, I'm talking about a team (~desktop-packages), and I use the package subscriptions to determine the bugs we need to monitor
[15:54] <seb128> Ursinha, well, there is like 15 sources in unity, rather than adding those to wherver you add them, can't you just watch the unity-team list?
[15:54] <seb128> Ursinha, or watch both ~desktop-packages and ~unity-team?
[15:55] <Ursinha> that would break the idea of having a team with all packages that desktop cares about :) that's for scripting purposes only
[15:55] <seb128> Ursinha, ok
[15:55] <Ursinha> and pedro created this team specially to avoid people that use ~desktop-bugs of being nagged
[15:55] <seb128> works for me
[15:55] <Ursinha> cool
[15:55] <seb128> Ursinha, I guess I mostly wanted to point that unity-team has a list of unity packages already, it's not only "unity", you might want pick their list ;-)
[15:56] <pitti> seb128: looks like no meeting again today, no agenda items
[15:56] <seb128> pitti, right
[15:56] <Ursinha> seb128, ah, cool. I was actually talking about unity*
[15:56] <pitti> seb128: I'll probably be on the phone in half an hour
[15:56] <Ursinha> I guess I added the wildcard there :P
[15:56] <seb128> Ursinha, ;-)
[15:57] <seb128> pitti, you are turning into a business man ;-)
[15:57] <Ursinha> hehe
[15:57] <pitti> nooooooooo
[15:57] <Ursinha> hahahahaha
[15:57] <pitti> I have exactly one tie only
[15:57]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[15:57] <Ursinha> pitti, business man nowadays don't need ties
[15:57] <pitti> and I don't want to shave off my goatee
[15:58] <Ursinha> they spend the day in calls
[15:58] <pitti> I'm sure rickspencer3 doesn't know what you are talking about
[15:58] <Ursinha> lol
[15:58] <Ursinha> seb128, thanks for the pointer, I'll check unity-team for their packages
[16:01] <Ursinha> seb128, could you make me admin of ~desktop-packages team, please? I see you are an admin there
[16:01] <Ursinha> http://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages
[16:02] <seb128> Ursinha, done
[16:02] <Ursinha> seb128, merci!
[16:03] <seb128> Ursinha, de rien ;-)
[16:03] <Ursinha> ;)
[16:05]  * rickspencer3 notes that he is wearing shorts and hoody atm
[16:06] <Ursinha> that's what I was talking about :)
[16:29] <Saviq> didrocks, any idea what happened with https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/automerge-unity-2d/167/console ?
[16:29] <Saviq> didrocks, we got 3 builds like that
[16:30]  * didrocks looks
[16:30] <didrocks> 6/6 Test #6: focuspathtest ....................***Failed    0.02 sec
[16:31] <didrocks> test faiing?
[16:31] <Saviq> didrocks, that's fine, look at the reason
[16:31] <didrocks> failing*
[16:31] <Saviq> well, fine as in... xvfb seems to die
[16:31] <didrocks> Saviq: yeah, it seems to die before you are killing it
[16:31] <Saviq> trying pbuilder locally
[16:36]  * Sweetshark is confused. when do we have team-meeting? in one hour right?
[16:38] <mterry> Sweetshark, I think now, but today there was nothing on the agenda.  Maybe there is now...  /me checks
[16:38] <mterry> nope
[16:38] <Sweetshark> mterry: k, thx.
[16:39] <seb128> should be now
[16:39] <mterry> seb128, heh
[16:39] <seb128> if somebody has a topic please say so ;-)
[16:39] <seb128> hey mterry
[16:39] <Sweetshark> umm, UDS travel planning? still postponed, or what?
[16:39] <mterry> oh, thought you meant that you just added agenda items as i was checking
[16:42] <seb128> Sweetshark, jasoncwarner is back at the end of week, I guess we will get an update then
[16:43] <seb128> mterry, sorry, I meant the meeting should be now if somebody has a topic
[16:43] <seb128> Sweetshark, but you are not likely going to the dx rally so I guess you can probably book
[16:45] <Sweetshark> seb128: ah, indeed. well, I can wait until next week. just didnt want to book two days before the UDS ;)
[16:52] <Saviq> didrocks, the tests pass here in my local unity-merger
[16:52] <didrocks> Saviq: weird, are you sure you apt-get update to have the latest components in your pbuilder?
[16:52] <Saviq> didrocks, and what's more none of the failed merges even touches anything tests related
[16:53] <Saviq> didrocks, I did go `pbuilder update`, should do the same thing, no?
[16:53] <didrocks> yeah
[16:53] <Saviq> everything looks up to date
[16:53] <didrocks> hum, weird
[16:53]  * didrocks retries manually
[16:58] <Saviq> didrocks, another one merged fine
[16:58] <didrocks> Saviq: tried manually just now
[16:58] <didrocks> Saviq: and working
[16:58] <didrocks> on the server
[16:59] <Saviq> didrocks, so wtf?
[16:59] <didrocks> maybe some temporary glitches, I don't know
[16:59] <Saviq> didrocks, ok, reapproving
[16:59] <didrocks> yeah, seems the best to do right now :)
[17:24]  * Sweetshark fixed another >400 Heat bug.
[17:24] <Sweetshark> ... and dances a bit now.
[17:29] <mdeslaur> \o/
[17:34] <didrocks> ok, will try to do some exercice while there are still some lights outside
[17:34]  * didrocks waves good evening
[17:35]  * Sweetshark too </AOL-mode>.
[18:14] <pitti> good night everyone!
[18:15] <seb128> 'night pitti
[18:49] <Laney> seb128: bug #947095 sounds like the one i've got, fyi
[18:49] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 947095 in gnome-power-manager "Closing lid fails to suspend" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/947095
[18:52] <seb128> Laney, ok
[18:53]  * Laney uploads tomboy for karma
[19:24] <Laney> oho, already done
[19:37] <TheMuso> pitti: Yes I'll take care of it today.
[19:56] <BoxyK2> Hi there, I have a question to a NotifyOSD warning. I receive a warning that the maximum capacity of my battery is getting lower (not the current charge level).
[19:56] <BoxyK2> Does anyone know what's the threshold for this warning?
[19:56] <BoxyK2> Where can I see that?
[19:56] <BoxyK2> Can I change it?
[20:00] <BoxyK2> Can anyone help? (Or does anyone know where to look that up?)
[20:00] <mterry> BoxyK2, it would be in org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power (navigate to it in dconf-editor)
[20:00] <mterry> BoxyK2, but I don't see anything like that
[20:00] <mterry> BoxyK2, just settings for charge level
[20:00] <mterry> BoxyK2, nothing for capacity
[20:00] <BoxyK2> yes, exactly.
[20:00] <BoxyK2> that's exactly the same thing that made me confused
[20:04] <BoxyK2> mterry: Do you know where else I could look?
[20:04] <jbicha> BoxyK2: you could poke around http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/tree/plugins/power
[20:04] <mterry> BoxyK2, if it was configurable, it would probably be there.  The only other place I'd look is the source itself
[20:05] <BoxyK2> I even tried that...
[20:05] <BoxyK2> I found the warning message, but I did  not find where this string is being displayed.
[20:05] <BoxyK2> There was no reference to that string in the source codes.
[20:05] <BoxyK2> I checked the settings daemon
[20:06] <BoxyK2> I checked the power-manager
[20:06] <BoxyK2> and I checked NotifyOSD
[20:06] <BoxyK2> But nowhere a reference to that warning message.
[20:23] <mterry> BoxyK2, search on http://open-tran.eu/ for the string?  sometimes that helps narrow it down
[20:24] <BoxyK2> I already found the string in the source code. But I did not find the string referenced in the sources.
[20:26] <mterry> ah
[20:41] <dobey> BoxyK2: and where is that string in the source code?
[20:44] <BoxyK2> let me check again
[20:44] <BoxyK2> (I think it was in gnome-power-manager)
[20:45] <htorque> BoxyK2: hi, the .po file suggests '../data/gnome-power-manager.schemas.in.h' lines 29 and 30
[20:51] <dobey> htorque: i don't see any text in that file that would be in a notification about battery capacity getting lower
[20:51] <dobey> at least, not in git
[20:52] <htorque> dobey:  hm, in version 3.1.3 from 2011-07-25: "Remove the notification for battery low capacity, the feature was rejected in g-s-d (Richard Hughes)"
[20:56] <mterry> I thought the Ubuntu One control panel was supposed to be in Qt now?  The GTK one is still on the CD
[20:59] <BoxyK2> htorque: Does that mean that this error message does not exist anymore?
[21:00] <BoxyK2> I don`t find the string in the source code anymore.
[21:00] <htorque> BoxyK2: which version of ubuntu are you using?
[21:00] <BoxyK2> here I have oneiric ocelot
[21:00] <BoxyK2> but at work I have an older version
[21:01] <BoxyK2> (I`m not completely sure which one. But definitely older than the current one.)
[21:01] <htorque> BoxyK2: this notification should be gone since oneiric. in natty there is a key to disable it (/apps/gnome-power-manager/notify/low_capacity).
[21:01] <BoxyK2> aaah, that makes sense.
[21:01] <htorque> (this is ubuntu 11.04)
[21:02] <htorque> to disable it, you can run: gconftool-2 -s -t boolean /apps/gnome-power-manager/notify/low_capacity false
[21:02] <BoxyK2> But I don`t want to remove it, I just would like to see from which percentage of the orignal capacity this message is shown.
[21:02] <BoxyK2> Do you know where I can look up that value?
[21:07] <sladen> is unity-2d broken for everyone or is it just me .com ?
[21:12] <seb128> sladen, just you I think, or at least nobody else raised it
[21:12] <dobey> mterry: it is in qt now. and the gtk package shouldn't be on the cd any more. my understanding is pitti pulled it out of the desktop seed
[21:13] <BoxyK2> htorque: I already checked that in the sources before but I did not find this threshold value anywhere (but I am not sure if I mixed up oneiric and natty). Do you have an idea where I can find it in natty?
[21:13] <dobey> mterry: hrmm. so it is on the cd still. i wonder what went wrong with that?
[21:14] <seb128> dobey, cd didn't get rebuilt since
[21:14] <sladen> seb128: ta :)
[21:14] <seb128> dobey, pitti only uploaded the source with the change today
[21:14] <seb128> dobey, it should be on the CD tomorrow
[21:14] <sladen> sabdfl is currently keeping Florian busy, but I'll try and grab him afterwards
[21:14] <dobey> seb128: ah! i thought it got removed from the beta
[21:14] <dobey> seb128: that explains it. thanks
[21:14] <seb128> yw
[21:14] <htorque> BoxyK2: you can download the latest version of the source code of gnome-power-manager for natty from launchpad: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/2.32.0-2ubuntu2.1
[21:15] <jbicha> seb128: ah I had a minor change I added to the nautilus desktop branch, I should have said something but I didn't expect new gtk to land already
[21:15] <seb128> jbicha, weird that it let me push without conflict
[21:15] <BoxyK2> thanks! I will check that.
[21:16] <seb128> jbicha, oh, crap, did I forgot to push?
[21:16] <jbicha> :)
[21:16] <seb128> jbicha, I think I pushed but I didn't noticed it failed
[21:17] <jbicha> it's not a big deal as Unity doesn't support the new actions yet anyway
[21:18] <htorque> BoxyK2: there's a bug number mentioned in the sources for that low-capacity warning, maybe it helps: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326740
[21:18] <ubot2`> Gnome bug 326740 in gnome-power-manager "Warn user when last_full capacity has dropped considerably" [Enhancement,Resolved: wontfix]
[21:21] <seb128> jbicha, can you pull --overwrite on nautilus?
[21:21] <seb128> jbicha, I rebased your change over my commit and pushed --overwrite that
[21:22] <htorque> BoxyK2: also the code suggests, that you get the warning when the capacity drops below 50% of the "design capacity"
[21:22] <seb128> jbicha, feel free to upload if you want, the earlier the better for translators
[21:22] <BoxyK2> htorque: really? did you find it in the code? I just downloaded and unpacked it.
[21:23] <BoxyK2> htorque: I was just reading the bug report you sent just before.
[21:24] <htorque> BoxyK2: check the file src/gpm-engine.c, look for the function 'gpm_engine_device_check_capacity'
[21:24] <htorque> but i think we are quite off-topic here...
[21:25] <BoxyK2> ok, I checked gpm-manager.c and didn`t find it. I`ll check that now. and yes, you are right, it`s off-topic.
[21:25] <BoxyK2> nevertheless, thank you for your great support!!!!
[21:53] <raar77> hallo
[21:53] <raar77> bin ich hier richtig wenn Ich probleme mit meonen ubuntu habe
[21:54] <raar77> wenn Ich mein laptop starte habe Ich immer ein kurzen Balken in verschiedenen Farben
[21:54] <RAOF> raar77: While we have some German speakers here, I think you'll have better luck in #ubuntu-de
[21:54] <raar77> manchmal kommt es dazu das das Bild verzehrt ist
[21:55] <raar77> can you send me a Link
[21:55] <sladen> raar77:   /join #ubuntu-de
[21:55] <raar77> when i wright ubuntu de than i find A cirkus from google
[21:56] <sladen> raar77: #ubuntu-de ist Deutsch Sprache IRC kanal
[21:57] <raar77> ok thank you i find itz
[22:04] <robert_ancell> seb128, hello
[22:04] <seb128> hey robert_ancell
[22:04] <seb128> how are you?
[22:05] <robert_ancell> seb128, good
[22:06] <grzesag> Hi, I need help with openload and cron job. in crontab I have: */1 * * * * openload -l 1 localhost >> /home/grzesag/OpenLoad/openload_output.txt but it save jus summary and zeros thank for help
[22:06] <seb128> robert_ancell, I uploaded 1.1.6 today, fixing the vcs was "fun", especially to get merge-upstream to work over the version revert
[22:07] <robert_ancell> seb128, yeah, that seems to be a big downside of bzr packages, at least the way we have them set up
[22:08] <robert_ancell> it lets you do things it can't handle, then it's a nightmare to repair
[22:09] <seb128> right
[22:11] <RAOF> seb128: What was desrt suggesting you blame me for last night?
[22:11] <seb128> RAOF: it's cnd to blame for I think, cf #ubuntu-x log
[22:12] <seb128> RAOF, xinput return a -nan increment on i386
[22:12] <seb128> RAOF: that breaks mouse wheel scrolling in new gtk
[22:12] <RAOF> That's unlikely to work well!
[22:13] <seb128> RAOF, indeed, I hope cnd sorts his today, I just uploaded gtk, since it's only mouse wheel scrolling, the bug is not in gtk and is on i386 only...
[22:13] <robert_ancell> seb128, so, do you think that weird 1.1.4 bug about not being able to log into anything was a red herring?
[22:13] <seb128> robert_ancell, one of the guy on the bug said it was specific to his account and doesn't get it with the new version
[22:13] <robert_ancell> seb128, with 1.1.6?
[22:13] <seb128> robert_ancell, I think some people got it by 3d not working and lightdm not respecting the session selection
[22:13] <robert_ancell> ah
[22:14] <seb128> robert_ancell, yes, I put 1.1.6 in the ppa and one of the guys said it was working for him
[22:14] <robert_ancell> ok, cool
[22:14] <seb128> robert_ancell, I think it was just "unity-3d is start and doesn't work on this box"
[22:14] <seb128> robert_ancell, btw do you test the system integration part, script in some way?
[22:14] <robert_ancell> which part?
[22:14] <seb128> or is that integration test material and you don't do that yet?
[22:15] <seb128> robert_ancell, the fact that lightdm was calling the x11 script with a buggy number of arguments
[22:15] <seb128> robert_ancell, i.e how do we know that another change will not break the x11 script parsing again?
[22:16] <robert_ancell> seb128, I test it wraps it, but not the way it handle args.  I was planning to add that, but the behaviour seems wrong to start with
[22:16] <robert_ancell> but then again, I want to kill that script anyway
[22:16] <seb128> right
[22:16] <seb128> we wondered why you had it at the first place
[22:16] <seb128> rather than just calling Xsession
[22:17] <robert_ancell> GDM had it's own one if I remember, and I though there might be some difference
[22:17] <seb128> ok, those old compat stuff are always a mess
[22:17] <seb128> I hate them
[22:17] <robert_ancell> yeah.  it's a complete mess and a terrible way to integrate stuff in
[22:55] <sandjkirkland> #ubuntu
[23:08] <robert_ancell> RAOF, do you think the U-G RetainPermanent stuff was always broken and just has shown up now?
[23:09] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Possibly.  That's just a guess, though.
[23:10] <RAOF> Other options include cairo; IIRC the X connection it's using isn't RetainPermanent, and it could be creating necessary intermediate resources.


[00:20] <cleaton> i don't get a frontend :/
[00:41] <Xenocide> hey guys having a problem just reinstalled and my time is screwed, i can't update with ntp servers i get ntp socket in use
[00:41] <Xenocide> any ideas?
[00:42] <Xenocide> sorry
[00:52] <Xenocide> any ideas guys
[00:52] <Xenocide> my OSD is an hour behind
[00:52] <Xenocide> but my mythweb is fine
[02:06] <frink_> hello
[03:08] <ckw> Is there some special trick to get mythtv to run in a window in this release?  when i enable it and then launch the frontend i get this huge resolution that wont let me see more than half of the dialog boxes
[03:34] <dwf_starband2> how do you get mplayer to start on the right screen in mythvideo?
[06:31] <mactenchi> hi everyone
[06:32] <mactenchi> after upgrading my myth box, my second tuner sometimes craps out
[06:32] <mactenchi> lots of static
[06:32] <mactenchi> rebooting solves it, but i was hoping one of you could tell me why it's happening
[07:10] <CCB0x45> hey I set up my wifi with ndiswrapper and it scans fine but wont connect to my network
[07:32] <CCB0x45> I also found out the res I need to use on my tv is 1280x720
[07:32] <CCB0x45> 60hz
[07:33] <CCB0x45> is there any way to just force xorg.conf
[07:33] <CCB0x45> to try that resolution
[07:33] <CCB0x45> because nvidia-settings doesnt detect it
[07:49] <toorima> CCB0x45: just put it in xorg.conf
[08:05] <dwf_starband2> Is there a channel changing script built into mythbuntu?
[08:15] <Wy|laptop> MythTV should automatically change channels
[08:16] <Wy|laptop> unless you have some really wierd tuner or something
[08:16] <toorima> do you mean for irblaster or something like it?
[08:20] <dwf_starband2> yes for blaster
[08:20] <dwf_starband2> im assuming it doesnt and am following the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_External_Channel_Changer
[08:21] <dwf_starband2> for the dish network with the screensaver script
[08:30] <dwf_starband2> I got the channel change script set up
[08:31] <dwf_starband2> when I go to watch live tv I can see the ir transmitter light up so I know its working, but live tv shows a black screen for a couple of seconds then goes back to the mythtv menu
[08:31] <dwf_starband2> why isnt it showing video?
[08:32] <toorima> maybe increase the timeout period for the card
[08:33] <toorima> wait time for signal lock or something like it
[08:33] <dwf_starband2> where is that setting at?
[08:34] <toorima> myth-setup where u define the cards i think
[08:34] <dwf_starband2> ok thanks
[08:43] <dwf_starband2> im not finding a setting like that
[10:41] <replman> Hi!
[10:42] <replman> i have some problems deleting scheduled recordings. Can i clear my schedules my deleting all entries of a table in the db? delete from records?
[14:47] <MythbuntuGuest76> hello
[14:49] <MythbuntuGuest76> i m trying to install mythbuntu for the first time and noch sure what to do with TV_Card installtion wizard
[14:49] <MythbuntuGuest76> i have got the hauppauge wintv nova t usb2 (http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV_Nova-T_USB2) which one is supported
[14:50] <MythbuntuGuest76> but the card isnt in the selectbox for card-type in the tv wizard
[14:51] <MythbuntuGuest76> what is the correct way to install?
[14:51] <MythbuntuGuest76> i dont really understand the isntall-notices in the wiki
[14:58] <pdragon> not sure. you'll have to wait for one of the devs to come around
[14:58] <MythbuntuGuest76> ok thx
[14:59] <pdragon> can try asking on the forums too
[14:59] <StrawberryAngel1> what distro?
[14:59] <pdragon> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=301
[15:00] <StrawberryAngel1> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[15:01] <StrawberryAngel1> that site will take you thru it step by step
[15:01] <StrawberryAngel1> Im running 710 with mythtv on a gnome desktop
[15:02] <StrawberryAngel1> You will need a guide data source
[15:02] <StrawberryAngel1> Schedules Direct
[15:04] <StrawberryAngel1> before you install...# apt-get install mysql-server and #apt-get install xmltv
[15:06] <hugol1> StrawberryAngel1:  mysql is a dependency of mythtv so you dont need to manually install it before, and xmltv you dont need it if you use eit for exemplre
[15:07] <MythbuntuGuest76> i allready entered an mysql masterpassword in the wizzard so i think it will be installed
[15:09] <StrawberryAngel1> Pay close attention to the setup instructions....it took me 2 weeks of headbanging the keybord to get it rite
[15:09] <MythbuntuGuest76> omg
[15:10] <StrawberryAngel1> im a noobie...so thats just me
[15:10] <MythbuntuGuest76> and i had the hope that ubuntu is for dummies
[15:10] <StrawberryAngel1> I got the PVR500
[15:10] <StrawberryAngel1> dual tuner
[15:11] <pdragon> it's not too bad overall compared to some others. certain hardware does have it's kinks, tho
[15:11] <StrawberryAngel1> PVR500 works out of the box without having to install drivers
[15:12] <pdragon> there's a talk about mythbuntu later today in #ubuntu-classroom
[15:12] <StrawberryAngel1> I shall add that
[15:13] <pdragon> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[15:22] <StrawberryAngel1> Ubuntu is the easiest linux distro I have ever tried.
[15:23] <StrawberryAngel1> Suse, Fedora, FreeBSD, Linspire,  ive tried them all
[15:24] <solarbaby> I tried Knopmyth, the cd never got passed formating my hard drive heh
[15:24] <solarbaby> second runner up was UbuntuMyth and I've never needed anything else
[15:27] <StrawberryAngel1> I'm not great with command line stuff, but I have a good teacher
[15:28] <solarbaby> Thankfully theres enough Howto's with copy and paste stuff that you dont need to know more then basics
[16:16] <dwf_starband2> QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query
[16:16] <dwf_starband2> Database error was:
[16:16] <dwf_starband2> Table './mythconverg/recorded' is marked as crashed and should be repaired
[16:17] <dwf_starband2> http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4760&highlight=table+mythconverg+recorded+marked+crashed+repaired
[16:17] <dwf_starband2> says to use the script /usr/share/mythtv/contrib/optimize_mythdb.pl but I dont have that
[16:17] <dwf_starband2> any ideas?
[16:25] <tgm4883> dwf_starband2, run the optimize tables from MCC
[16:26] <dwf_starband2> i ran sudo mysqlcheck --all-databases --auto-repair or something like that and it fixed it
[16:26] <tgm4883> ah ok
[16:26] <tgm4883> for future reference then
[16:26] <tgm4883> when someone asks you that question
[16:26] <tgm4883> you can refer them to MCC :)
[16:27] <dwf_starband2> ok, im going to look at it now and see where it is, because that would be helpful
[16:27] <dwf_starband2> thanks
[16:28] <dwf_starband2> enable daily optimize/repair?
[16:31] <cleaton> anyone here knows what modules i need to have loaded for twinhan mantis 3030
[16:33] <directhex|work> http://www.twinhan.com/product_terrestrial_3030.asp ?
[16:35] <directhex|work> http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/2006-November/014550.html
[16:39] <cleaton> by 30300 do they mean 3030?
[16:40] <cleaton> one says it's zl10353 and the other mt352
[16:40] <cleaton> but non of those works
[16:41] <cleaton> i tried this one even though it's for 2033 http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3627315&postcount=3
[16:41] <cleaton> now i atleast got a /dev/dvb
[16:41] <cleaton> but i'm missing the frontend
[18:25] <pdragon> wonder where superm1 is hiding. he's up soon :)
[18:30] <tyce> Is going to the trunk builds the only way currently to get storage groups running?
[18:32] <tyce> and I guess a follow up to that would be, any one know when .21 is scheduled to be released?
[18:32] <pdragon> i believe so on the first question
[18:33] <pdragon> and you'd have to ask the mythtv folks about .21
[18:33] <tyce> ok, not sure if I really want to go to trunk, but I REALLY want storage groups support
[18:33] <pdragon> same here
[18:37] <directhex> weren't storage groups added to 0.20.2?
[18:37] <pdragon> no
[18:37] <directhex> pretty sure they're the reason 0.20.2 isn't DB-compatible with 0.20
[18:37] <pdragon> it's a .21 feature
[18:38] <pdragon> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Release_Notes_-_0.21
[18:38] <tyce> wish it were added in .20.2
[18:39] <tyce> anyone in here using the trunk?
[18:39] <tyce> wonder how stable it's sitting right now
[18:39] <tgm4883_laptop> unstable by definition
[18:40] <tyce> correct, but there are always varying degrees of unstable ;)
[19:06] <pdragon> mythbuntu presentation happening in #ubuntu-classroom right now for anything interested
[19:06] <pdragon> err... anyone
[20:00] <tyce>
[20:00] <tgm4883_laptop> tyce?
[23:28] <therethinker> $test
[23:30] <tgm4883> $die
[23:30] <mythbot> I die frequently.  It's my prerogative.


[00:17] <r4y> When I use try to convert flv to avi using transmageddon the audio becomes out of sync. If I use ffmpeg the quality is boxy.
[00:18] <r4y> I mean the video becomes boxy not the audio
[00:20] <geirha> never heard of transmageddon, but what video encoding do you specify with ffmpeg?
[00:20] <r4y> I don't know what you mean
[00:21] <r4y> I do ffmpeg -i
[00:21] <r4y> I am still new to this. Less then a year maybe
[00:22] <r4y> I use avidemux
[00:22] <geirha> Then ffmpeg will transcode the video to some default video encoding and bitrate that avi can contain
[00:24] <r4y> Are you asking what codec I use with transmageddon?, Because I thought you were asking about ffmpeg not  transmageddon
[00:26] <geirha> I've never heard of transmageddon. I have occationally used ffmpeg though. So yes, I was asking what video codec you used for the output format with ffmpeg
[00:26] <geirha> Though I do sense an urge to play some Carmageddon now. Not sure why
[00:28] <r4y> What webpage do you suggest for learning how to choose different codecs using ffmpeg?
[00:29] <geirha> http://ffmpeg.org
[00:30] <r4y> Ha ha, OK, thank you for the help
[01:07] <r4y> This is what I did: http://pastebin.com/hQFL1qA3
[01:12] <r4y> I did "ffmpeg -formats" I want an example of how to use the codecs shown?, As you can see I know how to choose the file format for the input and output. How for instance can I choose both the codec and the file format for the input and output?
[01:15] <bobweaver> Hey ClientAlive  just wanted to talk here as that is not a "support cahnnel " :)
[01:15] <bobweaver> rules are rules :)
[01:15] <ClientAlive> np  :)
[01:15] <bobweaver> so yeah install the nonfree firmware
[01:15] <ClientAlive> I didn't even think about this wireless card thing or I may not have installed last night
[01:15] <ClientAlive> how?
[01:16] <ClientAlive> google for a tute?
[01:16] <bobweaver> sudo apt-get install linux-firmware-nonfree
[01:16] <CharlesA> yep
[01:16] <CharlesA> ^
[01:17] <bobweaver> If that dont swork we will add my patch to the driver
[01:17] <ClientAlive> ok
[01:17] <ClientAlive> I did install that
[01:17] <bobweaver> sudo rmmod b43
[01:17] <ClientAlive> rfkill still not installed
[01:17] <bobweaver> sudo modprobe b43
[01:17] <bobweaver> that is ok
[01:17] <bobweaver> we will get to thtat
[01:17] <bobweaver> one thing at a time
[01:18] <ClientAlive> did sudo rmmod b43
[01:18] <bobweaver> sudo modprobe b43
[01:18] <ClientAlive> did sudo modprobe b43
[01:18] <bobweaver> anywireless ?
[01:18] <bobweaver> any wireless ?
[01:19] <ClientAlive> iwconfig looks same, rfkill not installed, trying to remember how to check
[01:19] <bobweaver> ok
[01:20] <CharlesA> iwscan, no?
[01:20] <CharlesA> I don't know wireless, so I am probably not helping..
[01:20] <bobweaver> it is ok CharlesA  help is help :)
[01:20] <ClientAlive> this is true  :)
[01:20] <bobweaver> the firmware is needed anyway
[01:20] <CharlesA> :-)
[01:21] <bobweaver> ok ClientAlive  pastebin         lsmod
[01:21] <CharlesA> lsmod | pastebinit?
[01:21] <bobweaver> sure
[01:21] <CharlesA> \o/
[01:22] <ClientAlive> ok: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1087164/
[01:22] <bobweaver> DL this   https://launchpad.net/~josephjamesmills/+archive/beta/+files/b43patch_0.0.1-1_all.deb
[01:22] <CharlesA> Hrm, not being used yet
[01:22] <CharlesA> ^
[01:23] <bobweaver> then install with software center
[01:23] <ClientAlive> saved it to the Desktop
[01:24] <ClientAlive> synaptic can do it?
[01:24] <bobweaver> ok
[01:24] <bobweaver> cd ~/Desktop && sudo dpkg -i <name of package>
[01:25] <bobweaver> cd ~/Desktop && sudo dpkg -i b43patch_0.0.1-1_all.deb
[01:25] <bobweaver> then update and upgrade
[01:26] <CharlesA> and pray :D
[01:26] <bobweaver> :)
[01:26] <bobweaver> all that package does is install firmware that is altered for older 4318 cards
[01:26] <bobweaver> and other 43 *
[01:27] <bobweaver> made it for my pentesting machine it is for aircrack patch
[01:27] <bobweaver> well that and when I teached class on making debs I used that for example also
[01:27] <ClientAlive> I'm not familiar w/ doing that and there's nothing in the context menu. I'll google for how to do it on the command line or something
[01:28] <ClientAlive> oh
[01:28] <ClientAlive> ok
[01:28] <bobweaver> What ClientAlive
[01:28] <CharlesA> ClientAlive: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:29] <ClientAlive> done
[01:29] <bobweaver> ClientAlive,  cd ~/Desktop
[01:29] <ClientAlive> sorry, I didn't see what you wrote before - it is installed now
[01:29] <bobweaver> sudo dpkg -i *deb
[01:30] <bobweaver> cd /lib/firmware
[01:30] <bobweaver> ls | grep b43
[01:30] <bobweaver> is there now firmware there ?
[01:30] <ClientAlive> cd /lib/firmware; ls | grep b43
[01:30] <ClientAlive> oops
[01:30] <ClientAlive> :)
[01:30] <bobweaver> :)
[01:31] <ClientAlive> output from that: "b43"
[01:31] <bobweaver> sudo rmmod b43
[01:31] <bobweaver> sudo apt-get --purge removeb43-fwcutter firmware-b43-installer bcmwl-kernel-source
[01:31] <bobweaver> sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter firmware-b43-installer bcmwl-kernel-source
[01:31] <bobweaver> er
[01:31] <bobweaver> sudo apt-get --purge remove b43-fwcutter firmware-b43-installer bcmwl-kernel-source
[01:32] <bobweaver>  let me start again
[01:32] <bobweaver> lol
[01:32] <bobweaver> sudo rmmod b43
[01:32] <bobweaver> sudo apt-get --purge remove b43-fwcutter firmware-b43-installer bcmwl-kernel-source
[01:32] <bobweaver> sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter firmware-b43-installer bcmwl-kernel-source
[01:32] <bobweaver> sudo modprobe b43
[01:33] <ClientAlive> lI got the space bro (got ya covered)  :)
[01:33] <bobweaver> cool
[01:36] <ClientAlive> got those done. It seemed as though there was more output during the installation step (more than previously).
[01:36] <bobweaver> cool, now do you have wireless ?
[01:37] <bobweaver> iwlist scan <name of interface like wlan0 >
[01:37] <bobweaver> also what about rfkill ?
[01:38] <bobweaver> and open jockey-gtk (additinal drivers)  and if it is installed remove it
[01:39] <ClientAlive> rfkill not installed and iwlist scan wlan0 [output] "iwlist: unknown command 'wlan0' (check 'iwlist --help')."
[01:39] <ClientAlive> jockey-gtk not installed
[01:40] <bobweaver> additional drivers  is not installed ?
[01:40] <ClientAlive> nope
[01:40] <bobweaver> lubuntu ?
[01:40] <ClientAlive> lxde on a base ubuntu server install
[01:41] <ClientAlive> did a sudo apt-get install lxde  after installing ubuntu 12.04 server
[01:41] <bobweaver> oh
[01:41] <bobweaver> might want to change out the kernel
[01:41] <bobweaver> if you are using for desktop
[01:41] <CharlesA> The server kernel is the same as the desktop as of 12.04.
[01:42] <bobweaver> Oh ?
[01:42] <CharlesA> ya
[01:42] <ClientAlive> that would be fine I just didn't wan a butload of extra apps I don't need
[01:42] <CharlesA> they both use 3.2.xx generic
[01:42] <ClientAlive> it is except for some timing thing to do with page refresh rate or something (the server kernel is set to a lower one)
[01:43] <bobweaver> ClientAlive,  lsmod | pastebinit
[01:43] <bobweaver> ClientAlive,  there is also minamal and Ubuntu core j/s
[01:44] <bobweaver> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Core/InstallationExample
[01:44] <ClientAlive> ok:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/1087184/
[01:44] <bobweaver> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD/
[01:44] <ClientAlive> I used the normal cd/ iso image (not the minimal)
[01:45] <ClientAlive> just did the standard install though (no added packages selected)
[01:46] <bobweaver> ok
[01:46] <bobweaver> sudo apt-get install rfkill
[01:47] <bobweaver> ClientAlive,  is liburfkill-glib0  installed ?  dpkg-query -l | grep  liburfkill-glib0
[01:47] <ClientAlive> there's a phy4
[01:47] <ClientAlive> output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1087191/
[01:48] <bobweaver> press the button
[01:48] <bobweaver> then run rfkill list all
[01:48] <bobweaver> is it blocked is the switch working ?
[01:50] <bobweaver> press the button   ==  your wireless switch
[01:50] <ClientAlive> now it says Hard blocked: yes in the first entry but not the second one (in the hp-wifi but not hte phy4)
[01:50] <ClientAlive> that dpkg command did not return anything from grep
[01:50] <bobweaver> ok
[01:51] <bobweaver> sudo apt-get --purge remove firmware-b43-installer
[01:51] <bobweaver> then
[01:51] <bobweaver> sudo rmmod b43
[01:51] <bobweaver> then
[01:51] <bobweaver> sudo modprobe b43
[01:51] <bobweaver> do you have wireless ?
[01:52] <ClientAlive> all done
[01:52] <ClientAlive> did all
[01:53] <bobweaver> ls /lib/firmware |pastebinit
[01:54] <ClientAlive> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1087196/
[01:54] <bobweaver> thanks
[01:55] <ClientAlive> hmm, I see bcm*  stuff in there
[01:56] <bobweaver> yeah
[01:56] <bobweaver> wait thou
[01:56] <bobweaver> sudo -i
[01:56] <ClientAlive> not trying to be short with you btw. Just trying to hurry when you instruct me so it saves you time  :)
[01:56] <bobweaver> cd /lib/firmware
[01:56] <bobweaver> wget http://www.omattos.com/sites/default/files/b43-all-fw.tar_.gz
[01:56] <ClientAlive> sudo -i first ? all those three?
[01:57] <bobweaver> yes
[01:57] <ClientAlive> ok
[01:57] <bobweaver> tar xcf b43-all-fw.tar_.gz
[01:57] <bobweaver> exit
[01:57] <bobweaver> sudo rmmod b43
[01:58] <bobweaver> sudo modprobe 43
[01:58] <bobweaver> iwlist scan
[01:58] <bobweaver> wireless ?
[01:58] <bobweaver> if not
[01:58] <bobweaver> pastebin   dmesg | grep b43
[01:58] <bobweaver> should be warring in there about older firmware now
[01:58] <ClientAlive> it's "*tar_.gz" (with the underscore in it)?
[01:59] <bobweaver> just untar the package
[01:59] <bobweaver> exstract
[01:59] <bobweaver> it is the only tar package there
[01:59] <ClientAlive> it's not what I was asking but it's ok. I got ya
[02:00] <ClientAlive> untar while logged in as root and the perms will be ok?
[02:01] <bobweaver> you can only untar in lib/firmware as root
[02:01] <bobweaver> tar -xzf b43-all-fw.tar_.gz
[02:01] <bobweaver> to be 100%
[02:02] <ClientAlive> k
[02:03] <r4y> how do I search for a word from a man page?
[02:03] <bobweaver> r4y,  press / then type
[02:03] <r4y> TY
[02:03] <ClientAlive> iwlist scan does not give good output
[02:03] <bobweaver> NP
[02:04] <bobweaver> ok keep going ClientAlive
[02:04] <ClientAlive> says interface doesn't support scanning for "lo" and for wlan0 says "Failed to read scan data: Network is down"
[02:04] <bobweaver> ok
[02:05] <bobweaver> follow my instuctions above plz
[02:05] <ClientAlive> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1087207/
[02:06] <bobweaver> thanks
[02:06] <bobweaver> sudo rmmod hp_wmi
[02:07] <bobweaver> rfkill list all | pastebinit
[02:07] <ClientAlive> how come there's so many of the same listing? (phy[0-6])
[02:08] <ClientAlive> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1087210/
[02:09] <bobweaver> Thanks
[02:09] <ClientAlive> hey joseph? What if you were to ssh into my machine? Just saying
[02:10] <ClientAlive> sorry bobweaver
[02:10] <bobweaver> sudo rmmod b43 && sudo modprobe b43 && rfkill list all |pastebinit
[02:10] <ClientAlive> my bad
[02:10] <bobweaver> It is Ok
[02:10] <bobweaver> sure
[02:10] <bobweaver> thou
[02:10] <bobweaver> you want ssh key ?
[02:10] <ClientAlive> if you want. I appreciate your help so much but don't want to waste your night with me
[02:10] <ClientAlive> if you tell me how to get it I will
[02:11] <bobweaver> faster to install teamviewer
[02:11] <ClientAlive> oh, sure
[02:11] <ClientAlive> hang on
[02:11] <bobweaver> dot have to open ports and stuff
[02:11] <CharlesA> TV = win
[02:12] <ClientAlive> right on. np. Do I have to install it from the internet cause it isn't in any repo that I have
[02:12] <ClientAlive> ?
[02:13] <bobweaver> http://www.teamviewer.com/en/download/index.aspx
[02:13] <ClientAlive> I found instructions on the web also
[02:13] <ClientAlive> ok, hang on
[02:13] <bobweaver> CharlesA,  I added fanart support to the TV yesterday
[02:17] <bobweaver> http://imagebin.org/220422
[02:18] <CharlesA> hahaha
[02:18] <ClientAlive> after a sudo -i teamviewer_linux.deb, the output listed 5 dependencies then said "error processing teamviewer*" and "dependency problems*"  Should I install each one of the dependencies then run the command to install teamviewer again?
[02:18] <ClientAlive> is that the way?
[02:18] <bobweaver> yeah
[02:18] <CharlesA> ClientAlive: sudo apt-get install -f
[02:18] <CharlesA> ^
[02:19] <bobweaver> +1 CharlesA
[02:19] <CharlesA> I think I spend too much time spamming the forums..
[02:21] <ClientAlive> I'm digging myself a hole, those dependencies have dependencies - I've been down this road before and it was ugly
[02:22] <ClientAlive> there's a package called -f ?
[02:22] <bobweaver> http://imagebin.org/220423  << for TV shows under the button that is selected I am making that into a 3d desktop cube at the moment that is on javascript loop changing the fanart and actors :)
[02:22] <bobweaver> ClientAlive,  -f  (-fix )
[02:23] <bobweaver> or force on of the too
[02:23] <CharlesA> bobweaver: That is pretty cool :D
[02:23] <bobweaver> it installs the dep that are needed and changes the one's that are installed
[02:23] <ClientAlive> wow that's a very threatening looking warning
[02:24] <bobweaver> ClientAlive,  Up to you
[02:24] <bobweaver> if you want to go the ssh route that is also up to you
[02:25] <ClientAlive> I think I should make sure I'm fully updated first. I don't think I ever did that.
[02:25] <bobweaver> O_o
[02:25] <CharlesA> I've only had to use -f once or twice.
[02:26] <bobweaver> CharlesA,  Yeah I have seen it cause troubles for me
[02:26] <bobweaver> with compiz once
[02:26] <CharlesA> bobweaver: Likewise
[02:27] <ClientAlive> "Unknown error.... pipefail... <then a bunch of bash script looks like>"  (among other aweful looking stuff).
[02:28] <bobweaver> When Updating ?
[02:28] <bobweaver> sorry Upgrading
[02:28] <ClientAlive> id removed dash along the way  (no after the update I did run sudo apt-get -f install)
[02:29] <bobweaver> ClientAlive,  reboot the computer
[02:29] <ClientAlive> ok
[02:30] <ClientAlive> If something screws up and it won't load the o/s I'll fire up my other computer and come back here
[02:30] <bobweaver> ok
[02:44] <ClientAlive> it broke in a very strange way
[02:45] <CharlesA> how so, ClientAlive ?
[02:45] <ClientAlive> very strange. It hung for a long time saying it was waiting for network configuration then it finally booted the o/s. Now I have the login screen but entering my password will not log me in. Also, the mute button is on (the hardware button) and can not be turned off.
[02:45] <CharlesA> Wow.
[02:46] <CharlesA> ClientAlive: I have run into the networking config thing before if the interfaces files or persistent-net-rules were messed up
[02:46] <ClientAlive> to me it looks like not all what I just typed showed up (I'm on my other computer now)
[02:46] <CharlesA> basically it timed out trying to bring up a network device
[02:46] <ClientAlive> wierd
[02:47] <ClientAlive> I'm stumped and I'm so tired of installing the o/s (twice now, headed for three's a charm?)
[02:47] <CharlesA> Maybe. Dunno what the problem is :(
[02:47] <ClientAlive> I so don't want to go back to fedora
[02:48] <ClientAlive> I like lxde on ubuntu
[02:49] <CharlesA> Try debian, maybe?
[02:49] <CharlesA> they only use FLOSS so idk if that would work
[02:49] <ClientAlive> I suppose
[02:54] <ClientAlive> I think I'm gonna have to give up on it for tonight. Maybe I can try to find this on old post tomorrow after reinstalling
[02:55] <ClientAlive> it worked before
[02:56] <CharlesA> Good luck ClientAlive
[02:56] <ClientAlive> thx
[02:57] <bobweaver> sorry I was away
[02:57] <bobweaver> reading ^^
[02:58] <ClientAlive> right on
[02:58] <ClientAlive> well, I was just about to do a fresh install again (I'm here on my other computer - after what happened)
[02:58] <bobweaver> Yeah if the computer is like that there is way more then just wireless going on
[02:59] <ClientAlive> I was looking for that old post on the forum too but doesn't look promising.
[02:59] <ClientAlive> I had fedora on there up to last night and it worked fine. Ubutu 11.04 alpha worked fine on it and 10.10 worked fine on it.
[03:00] <bobweaver> I say 12.04 reg install  then install lxde then start removing stuff ? IDK but it sounds like it needs to be more stable stuff
[03:00] <CharlesA> +1
[03:00] <ClientAlive> sux
[03:00] <CharlesA> You could also try a minimal install of 12.04 and go from there
[03:00] <bobweaver> good point CharlesA
[03:01] <bobweaver> there is also lxde-core still ?
[03:01] <CharlesA> IDK. Check here : http://lubuntu.net/
[03:02] <bobweaver> lxde-core - Meta-package for the Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment Core
[03:02] <CharlesA> prolly still about as heavy as gnome >.<
[03:02] <ClientAlive> this should work. One thing I didn't try was jockey-gtk method (didn't know the name of the package to install) or find that old post from when you helped me before bobweaver. That worked and it worked pretty effortlessly once we figured out to do it.
[03:02] <bobweaver> that is just lxde not lubuntu
[03:02] <CharlesA> Ahhh
[03:02] <bobweaver> ClientAlive,  that is what the package b43patch does
[03:03] <bobweaver> it does all that work for you
[03:03] <ClientAlive> ahh, I see
[03:03] <bobweaver> ClientAlive,  look here this is what we did that night
[03:03] <ClientAlive> well, nothing has changed about that computer (except for maybe a few extra bad sectors  :)
[03:04] <bobweaver> starting out at this point Installing b43fwcutter with out the internet connection
[03:04] <bobweaver> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10796508
[03:04] <bobweaver> Post #44
[03:04] <ClientAlive> oh, cool
[03:06] <ClientAlive> idk
[03:06] <ClientAlive> I'll try jockey-gtk I guess then if that doesn't work I'll install regular lubuntu and start removing junk
[03:06] <ClientAlive> thanks a lot for your help man (we tried)
[03:07] <bobweaver> ClientAlive,  your old post  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1731838&page=3
[03:07] <bobweaver> #28
[03:07] <ClientAlive> right on
[03:09] <ClientAlive> god, that was a long time ago. You were my first real experience with people in the linux community bro. I was about 3 days on linux at that time and I was totally blown away that you would help me like that. I still am  :)
[03:12] <ClientAlive> I gotta get off here if I'm gonna do this install. Peace out man. Have a great night.
[03:13] <bobweaver> you 2
[06:34] <DysteR> im using ubuntu 12.04 LTS , how can I properly configure my video card
[06:34] <DysteR> its an Intel HD Graphics , who has shared memory with the computer
[06:36] <DysteR> Samsung R440
[06:36] <DysteR> Laptop
[06:36] <krytarik> DysteR, no configuration / driver installation necessary for that graphics device. Any issues?
[06:36] <DysteR> Compiz keeps crashing on me
[06:36] <DysteR> and I cannot group windows with the Group Windows option
[06:36] <DysteR> mostly graphic errors
[06:37] <krytarik> Sec.
[06:41] <krytarik> DysteR, you could try upgrading your Intel video driver through this PPA: https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa/+packages
[06:42] <DysteR> anyone has a good way for a beginner to remap mouse buttons ???
[06:43] <DysteR> krytarik what do I have to do , install all those packages ???
[06:45] <krytarik> Sorry, the main page of that PPA is here: https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[06:46] <krytarik> And yes, a lot of video driver packages installed by default would be upgraded, as you can also read in the PPA's description.
[06:47] <krytarik> You can follow the instructions here to add that PPA, upgrade the packages, as well as remove, and downgrade again: http://www.tuxgarage.com/2011/07/upgrade-video-drivers-through-ppas.html
[06:48] <DysteR> okay
[06:49] <DysteR> was a little confused here
[06:49] <krytarik> The version of the Intel video driver currently in that PPA is 2.19, whereas that in the official repos of Precise 12.04 is just 2.17 - so there are chances that you might have success with an upgrade.
[06:49] <DysteR> instructions for terminal
[06:49] <DysteR> nice
[06:49] <DysteR> thanX krytarik
[06:49] <DysteR> will try this now
[06:50] <krytarik> As for remapping mouse buttons, just google for "xmodmap remap mouse buttons" - would have to do the same.
[06:50] <krytarik> You're welcome. :-)
[08:44] <s-fox> Hello.
[08:46] <krytarik> Hi s-fox. Wrong channel? :P
[08:47] <s-fox> krytarik,  don't think so. Why?
[08:47] <nothingspecial> me neither
[08:47] <nothingspecial> :)
[08:47] <krytarik> Happened to me yesterday. :-)
[08:48] <DysteR> when I make a swap partition
[08:48] <DysteR> should it be primary or logical ?
[08:51] <nothingspecial> doesn't matter DysteR
[08:52] <krytarik> DysteR, depends on whether the concerning HDD is using MBR or GPT, and if the former, the maximum of primary partitions is 4.
[09:03] <DysteR> how to colapse the window upwards on its title
[09:04] <DysteR> on its tab
[09:04] <DysteR> or maybe into
[09:15] <DysteR> Ubuntu 12.04 LTS there was a shortcut to reduce the window into its own title bar , can anyone remember it ?
[09:17] <nothingspecial> I can't DysteR
[09:18] <DysteR> :( I was just using it lol
[09:20] <krytarik> Since I knew that "Shade" feature only from Emerald, I just google'd "shade window precise" and got this UF thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1908696
[09:23] <DysteR> krytarik I dont think thats it
[09:23] <DysteR> Was just playing with the keys and suddenly some windows rolled up onto the title
[09:25] <DysteR> http://lifehacker.com/5067996/some-productive-ubuntu-kung-fu
[09:25] <DysteR> Number 9
[09:25] <DysteR> it seems that you were right
[09:30] <krytarik> DysteR, whoo, it even works in Lucid 10.04 - thanks for pointing that out! :-)
[09:31] <DysteR> what are you pressing
[09:31] <DysteR> I cannot find my shortcut
[09:31] <krytarik> In Lucid 10.04, it's Ctrl+Alt+S by default.
[09:32] <DysteR> THank you dear sir sir sir
[09:33] <DysteR> almost there Dyster
[09:33] <DysteR> almost
[09:33] <krytarik> Cool! You're welcome. :-)
[09:35] <DysteR> tell me a good way to reboot naturally Krytarik
[09:36] <DysteR> I usually open terminal and type in
[09:36] <DysteR> sudo reboot
[09:37] <krytarik> Why not just via the Power icon on the left side of the top panel?
[09:37] <DysteR> there is no restart there
[09:37] <DysteR> only shutdown lockdown and log out
[09:37] <DysteR> should I go for shutdown
[09:38] <DysteR> and it will give me an option to restart ?
[09:38] <krytarik> Just choose "Shutdown..." there - there will be a dialog then.
[09:40] <DysteR> krytarik
[09:40] <DysteR> you are the master
[09:40] <DysteR> I will go to sleep now
[09:40] <DysteR> will try more linux tomorrow
[09:41] <DysteR> this OS demands patience
[09:41] <DysteR> good night or morning there
[09:41] <krytarik> Btw. you can use this command to bind the Toggle Shade feature on double-clicking the window titlebar, instead of Maximize: gconftool-2 --set --type string /apps/metacity/general/action_double_click_titlebar toggle_shade - just set it that way.
[09:41] <DysteR> ctrl + alt + s is fine by me
[09:41] <DysteR> then I wouldnt be able to un configure it
[09:41] <krytarik> Ok. Again, you're welcome, and good night. :-)
[09:41] <DysteR> im a newbie still :D thanx for all the help man
[09:42] <DysteR> im outie
[09:42] <krytarik> The default is "toggle_maximize".
[09:42] <krytarik> Oops, too late. :P
[12:23] <r4y> Is there an easy hands on way to edit captions into videos?, I mean so the captions don't have to be made seperately from a video editor like avidemux or open movie editor?, I've never tried to add captions to videos yet
[12:27] <E3D3> Hi, I'm a total network-noob. With connecting to a open wlan my knowledge stops. What is the easiest way to transfer data between 2 computers (Windows & Linux), a cable ?
[12:39] <r4y> I don't know. I am new to that as well, but I found this link:
[12:39] <r4y> http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/J-Create-Wormhole/
[12:43] <r4y> I remember connecting 2 hard drives to one computer, one with Windows XP and the other with Ubuntu, then afterwards having file permission problems, so I had to learn how to change file permission massively using the commandline, but I know now that I must have done something wrong because I was told I shouldn't have had that problem, so I can't help you sorry
[12:43] <E3D3> Still thanks :)
[12:44] <r4y> I've read of people using samba or something wirelessly
[12:44] <r4y> http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/5-ways-to-transfer-files-from-one-computer-to-another/
[12:45] <E3D3> Samba & Apacha are a nightmare for me. I know some quantumphysics, digital electronics, low & high programming langauages .. but I'm totally dislectic for internet-protocols :( But the links is interesting :)
[12:50] <r4y> http://askubuntu.com/questions/60091/transfer-files-from-ubuntu-to-a-windows-7-system-on-the-same-network
[12:51] <r4y> http://superuser.com/questions/315566/transfer-files-from-windows-to-linux-over-the-network
[14:47] <elfy> hello neuma
[15:15] <neuma> hey guys, I need a crash course on getting my computer to boot from USB that doesn't support it.  I'm at this site called plop.
[15:15] <neuma> do I download and burn an iso to cd?
[15:15] <holstein> neuma: burn the iso, and enjoy :)
[15:16] <holstein> neuma: you need to "create" it.. there are instructions
[15:17] <holstein> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/temp/plopboot.iso if you want.. but i wouldnt trust some random iso someone droped in the IRC... i would just make my own
[15:19] <neuma> i have no idea how to create it.
[15:19] <holstein> neuma: theres documentation at the plop site on how to create an iso like i did, and linked for you to download above
[15:22] <neuma> didn't you just say to not to trust some random iso on irc? ;)
[15:24] <neuma> ok, so what program is used to burn .iso images?
[15:24] <neuma> at least I can figure out how to install packages in Joli OS.
[15:24] <holstein> neuma: i said i wouldnt.. if you dont want to take the time to learn how to make your own, you can DL that one, or search for a support channel for plop, or read the documentation
[15:24] <holstein> neuma: you have ubuntu installed? you have brasero there?
[15:24] <neuma> I want to learn, but I'm short on time.
[15:25] <neuma> I'll check for brasero
[15:25] <holstein> neuma: it didnt take long at all.. about as much time as it will take to download it
[15:25] <neuma> i found brasero, thanks
[15:28] <neuma> burned the iso... so now it's just reboot and...?
[15:29] <neuma> should I reboot with the cd and the usb plugged in?
[15:30] <neuma> holstein: well, I suppose you're away.  I'm going to give it a go.  THanks for your help
[18:24] <ClientAlive> hi. I was wondering does anyone know if the smartlink modem daemon have anything to do with the broadcom wireless card (BCM4318)?
[18:38] <neuma> I just installed Easy Peasy (Ubuntu).  How install audio/video codecs?
[19:29] <DysteR> can someone help me remapp one of my mouse buttons :
[19:29] <DysteR> Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[19:29] <DysteR> trying to remapp Microsoft Wireless Laser Mouse 8000
[19:52] <stlsaint> DysteR: not sure, try posting your question on ubuntu forums or askubuntu site
[20:09] <bodhi_zazen> this channel seems quiet these days
[20:15] <DysteR> anyone have good sugestions for websites
[20:15] <DysteR> with cool wallpapers
[20:15] <DysteR> ???
[20:18] <DysteR> for use with the transparency of compiz in Ubuntu 12.04
[20:30] <Unit193> gnome-look, kde-look, xfce-look, or images.google.com are all good sources.
[20:30] <Unit193> Devianart(sp) as well.
[20:30] <stlsaint> DysteR: gnomelook
[20:55] <JimbeII> how do I make use of browser-based java applications?
[20:55] <DysteR> if I have an onboard
[20:55] <DysteR> graphics card
[20:56] <DysteR> where would be the best place to seek for drivers , fixes and trouble shooting
[20:56] <DysteR> I am having trouble concerning compiz-fusion
[21:00] <Unit193> DysteR: Best to pull up the model and search for compatibility, and the "Additional Drivers" screen.
[21:01] <Unit193> JimbeII: Don't they now?  DO you have icedtea plugin?
[21:01] <JimbeII> I do, but it crashes constantly
[21:01] <JimbeII> and won't load occasionally
[21:05] <JimbeII> unit193: Any suggestions?
[21:08] <Unit193> What version?  Have OpenJDK?
[21:08] <Unit193> !java
[21:08] <ubot2> To just use java you need a "Java Runtime Environment" (JRE) and/or a browser plugin. If that is not sufficient you will need a "Java Development Kit" (JDK) aka "Software  Development Kit" (SDK).  Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java about how to install one of three current implementations.
[21:11] <JimbeII> !java
[21:11] <ubot2> To just use java you need a "Java Runtime Environment" (JRE) and/or a browser plugin. If that is not sufficient you will need a "Java Development Kit" (JDK) aka "Software  Development Kit" (SDK).  Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java about how to install one of three current implementations.
[21:12] <JimbeII> sorry about the late reply, I do have OpenJDK
[22:03] <severity1> hi people
[22:06] <stlsaint> severity1: hello
[22:07] <severity1> i havent been here in a long time :)
[22:08] <severity1> hi stlsaint
[22:33] <stlsaint> severity1: true
[22:33] <stlsaint> severity1: you been gone awhile
[23:03] <severity1> yeah
[23:05] <severity1> im back for good
[23:13] <stlsaint> severity1: welcome ;)
[23:28] <severity1> thanks stlsaint :)