[09:27] <prego> Tomcat__, but I can dual boot, and so on... can't I?
[09:28] <Tomcat__> freddy: Maybe your farmers... not in the cities though... I've seen enough latin american cities. :P
[09:28] <Tomcat__> prego: Sure.
[09:28] <freddy> haha
[09:28] <n1k0> Just thinking how many girls would be here in #ubuntu
[09:28] <n1k0> :D
[09:28] <freddy> no seriously, there was an epidemy and we have no horses anymore :(
[09:28] <prego> Tomcat__, and what about that "chroot" mess I 've heard about...
[09:28] <prego> freddy, :-((
[09:28] <freddy> haha
[09:28] <Tomcat__> prego: Details? I'm not sure what you mean.
[09:28] <freddy> ;)
[09:28] <kolas> nickrud: it means that it would appear on any user's desktop, and being read-writable, right ?
[09:28] <n1k0> coffee break
[09:29] <freddy> prego, j/k :P
[09:29] <freddy> i dont know where to get a horse in my own country tho
[09:29] <freddy> lol
[09:29] <prego> Tomcat__, as I've heard of, you can still use ubuntu64 and run there flash and w32codecs under chroot environment (If only I knew what does that mean....)
[09:30] <nickrud> kolas without testing it again, yes I do believe that is correct
[09:30] <Tomcat__> prego: chroot means changing your / mounted filesystem temporarily to another place... mh....
[09:30] <freddy> i need to see something bizarre...
[09:30] <freddy> im bored
[09:30] <prego> Tomcat__, perhaps that guys do two installs and chroot to the other one... I don't know
[09:30] <freddy> HOLY SHIAT
[09:31] <Tomcat__> prego: Actually, that's not a bad idea... if you have an Ubuntu32 for example in /u32... then you could chroot to /u32 and load w32codecs there, because it would use 32 bit libs...
[09:31] <jono> anyone have any problems using lame with grip?
[09:31] <prego> Tomcat__, btw you are satisfied with 32 bit perfornance of the AMD64?
[09:31] <nickrud> kolas hm, actually, I think it would be read writeable to the original mounter, actually
[09:31] <freddy> 433 ppl in this room and im the only one from venezuela? that saxs :(
[09:31] <Tomcat__> prego: I have never seen the 64 bit performance... so no idea really. When I got time I'll install a 64 bit next to it.
[09:32] <nickrud> actually :)
[09:32] <Tomcat__> prego: The speed in one CPU-intensive app only about doubled from my old K7 1700+ to my new AMD64 3000+... so I'm not really satisfied.
[09:32] <prego> Tomcat__, nice!
[09:32] <freddy> no, not nice.
[09:33] <freddy> not satisfied = not good
[09:33] <eyequeue> freddy:  i guess the ratio may be different in #ubuntu-es maybe?
[09:33] <HrdwrBoB> telemaco: telemaco the K7 would be 1.7ghz right?
[09:33] <HrdwrBoB> er tomcat
[09:33] <internat> tutorials, soundcards anyone?
[09:33] <Tomcat__> HrdwrBoB: No, 1700+ is about 1.4 to 1.5 GHz.
[09:33] <HrdwrBoB> and the 3000+ is in fact 1.8ghz
[09:33] <HrdwrBoB> so the speed increase is huge
[09:33] <freddy> eyequeue, i hate getting support or talking about linux in spanish...i cant find myself thru it
[09:33] <IceDC571> freddy: do you have any aac's on your ipod?
[09:33] <HrdwrBoB> the 1700+ and 3000+ is a relative measure
[09:33] <prego> Tomcat__, freddy still sleeping, sorry... :-P
[09:34] <Tomcat__> Well if you're comparing the frequencies, yes, but I doubt a 64 3000+ is only twice as fast as a K7 1700+ :)
[09:34] <freddy> what the heck is an aac? IceDC571, and why do you take 3 hours to answer? :P
[09:34] <eyequeue> freddy:  well, you're certainly welcome in here, and i'll guess your english is better than my spanish
[09:34] <IceDC571> freddy: sorry, im talking to some girls
[09:34] <freddy> oh
[09:34] <IceDC571> freddy: aac/mp4/m4a
[09:34] <freddy> girls are better then me for sure
[09:34] <HrdwrBoB> Tomcat__: .. the 300+ is a RELATIVE MEASURE
[09:34] <eyequeue> priorities, heh
[09:34] <HrdwrBoB> 3000+
[09:34] <freddy> eyequeue, i hope im welcome
[09:35] <HrdwrBoB> also, you have the slowest a64 you can currently buy
[09:35] <HrdwrBoB> what do you expect?
[09:35] <nickrud> HrdwrBoB a question: all things relative, is it worth my money buying a 64bit top end, or staying with a 32bit top end?
[09:35] <freddy> i dont want to be aside because im from south america :(
[09:35] <HrdwrBoB> nickrud: the athlon64 is well worth buying, I have a 3200+
[09:36] <Mihai_> I need help for mounting a fat32 partition in ubuntu
[09:36] <nickrud> do you run 64bit, and do you have a chroot for the 32 bit stuff?
[09:36] <HrdwrBoB> nope
[09:36] <prego> HrdwrBoB, but then an XP+ 3,4 which MHz actually runs?
[09:36] <Mihai_> I've tryed with mount and I've crashed the system
[09:36] <eyequeue> freddy:  no way, you're an ubuntu user, and it doesn't matter if you're from (sud)america or south ... africa, (like a number of the developers) heh
[09:36] <Juhaz> nickrud, it's not worth your money to buy _any_ top-end, go for the mid-range 64-bit and it's vastly faster than 32-bit top end and vastly cheaper than 64 bit top end
[09:37] <Mihai_> can this be done from somewhere in the menu?
[09:37] <Tomcat__> HrdwrBoB: I *know*... I'm not saying "Oh well (3000 - 1700) / 1700 = 0.76 so it should be 1.76 as fast..."...   :-P
[09:38] <Hoxzer> :P
[09:38] <Tomcat__> Madpilot: Exactly, that's why I'm not calculating any difference... I only think an age difference of 4 to 5 years should be more than a double in performance.
[09:38] <freddy> eyequeue, thats why sometimes i hate where i come from... :(
[09:38] <Tomcat__> So I guess it's the fact I'm running a 32 bit system.
[09:38] <nickrud> but, my question really revolves around getting the 32bit stuff on a 64 bit system. And, since I have not had any chance to keep over the last 6 montsh
[09:38] <Hoxzer> but hey, how do I active eth0?
[09:39] <Mihai_> can someone help me edit my /etc/fstab?
[09:39] <Hoxzer> in console
[09:39] <yuacht> Mihai_, sure
[09:39] <Tomcat__> But I've never done a good benchmark anyway... only comparing climateprediction speeds.
[09:39] <peterretief> hey all, how do I install irectly from a deb?
[09:39] <eyequeue> freddy:  only one *currently* from s.a. ... earier i was talking with someone needing 300 cds for an installfest (!!!) and he was in .br :)
[09:39] <Tomcat__> peterretief: sudo dpkg -i <blah>.deb
[09:39] <HrdwrBoB> I use a 32 bit install on a 64bit CPU
[09:39] <Mihai_> yuacht, I whant to automount a fat32 particion which is on /dev/hda2
[09:39] <eyequeue> peterretief:  dpkg -i foo.deb
[09:39] <iluciv> hi
[09:39] <peterretief> thansk Tomcat__
[09:39] <HrdwrBoB> the 64 bit system isn't that much faster
[09:39] <Mihai_> yuacht, I've tryed mount from the command line and I've crashed the system
[09:39] <freddy> jesus christ
[09:40] <freddy> 300 cds
[09:40] <Juhaz> Tomcat__, that doesn't really make any sense, you can still get the very same 1700+, should it have doubled in speed as well, just because you purchase it later?
[09:40] <nickrud> hm, so, 32 bit is still the best bet so far, you think.
[09:40] <freddy> i just orderer 2
[09:40] <yuacht> Mihai_, hmm, wait
[09:40] <freddy> lol
[09:40] <peterretief> eyequeue, also thansk
[09:40] <freddy> eyequeue, you are a developer?
[09:40] <peterretief> :)
[09:40] <Hoxzer> hey, plz?
[09:40] <iluciv> has any-one used dvb-utils much
[09:40] <eyequeue> freddy:  yeah really, i'ev only done maybe 50 here (north america) and that was combined linux and bsds
[09:40] <eyequeue> peterretief:  np
[09:41] <eyequeue> freddy: no, just another user :)
[09:41] <freddy> oh hehe
[09:41] <Tomcat__> Juhaz: Is nobody here understanding what I'm saying? I bought a CPU that has technology 5 years younger than the last CPU... I know Moore's law doesn't really apply anymore, but shouldn't the technology make the CPU more than twice as fast?
[09:41] <HrdwrBoB> Tomcat__: it's an invalid comparison
[09:41] <HrdwrBoB> because you didn't buy the same level of CPU
[09:41] <Hoxzer> how do I unactive and active eth0?
[09:41] <Tomcat__> Maybe yes.
[09:41] <Hoxzer> in console
[09:41] <nickrud> so, to keep on the cutting edge (not bleeding) 32bit on 64bit is still the most productive, then
[09:41] <HrdwrBoB> five years ago a 1.4ghz cpu was not bottom of the range
[09:42] <eyequeue> Hoxzer:  sudo ifdown eth0 ; sudo ifup eth0
[09:42] <unome> are you expecting 64 to be fast with 32 based apps? AMD 64 running at 1.8 (old athlonxp 2100+) owns an Intel chip running at 3ghz
[09:42] <Juhaz> Tomcat__, it's not like that 3000+ was invented yesterday, it's two years old as well
[09:42] <kolas> nickrud: it didn't work
[09:42] <Tomcat__> Well, maybe. :) As I said, I have to do a good benchmark anyway... any suggestions?
[09:42] <feugan3333> Hi all. What is the correct file to set environment variables for all users of my system.  If so, what would you recommend?
[09:44] <GURT> skype
[09:44] <nickrud> My thinking was for a single user, I'm not sure how to make a partition show up on the gnome-desktop for every user on a box
[09:44] <prego> Hoxzer, also, the high end command: ifconfig ..... but lots of details there...
[09:44] <freddy> and jesus, i found an awesome tutorial to make a flash card to sync with an specifyc directory...
[09:44] <eyequeue> bigfoot1:  i don't myself, but i'd recommend the h323 protocol (apt-cache search h323)
[09:44] <IceDC571> bigfoot1: do you mean calling from the computer or VOIP?
[09:45] <freddy> IceDC571, oh you mean the m4a playback ON the ipod is crappy?
[09:45] <freddy> i thought you meant in linux.
[09:45] <kolas> nickrud: do you know another solution ?
[09:45] <IceDC571> freddy: yes using rhythmbox to play m4a's on the ipod
[09:45] <bigfoot1> IceDC571, what's the difference? I have only a computer. I don't have any other special gadgets, if that's what you mean.
[09:45] <nickrud> kolas no.
[09:45] <freddy> ah ok
[09:45] <IceDC571> bigfoot1: ohh.. have you heard of skype?
[09:46] <freddy> i want jennifer garner on my bed :(
[09:46] <prego> bigfoot1, skype deserves a try.
[09:46] <IceDC571> freddy: its just a sync problem.. its pauses at random times but if you play m4a's on the computer its fine
[09:46] <IceDC571> freddy: lol too bad she's married
[09:46] <iluciv> bigfoot: www.voip-info.org/ and take your pick :)
[09:46] <nickrud> kolas gnome (as I use it, and as ubuntu defines it in 5.04) is not built for easy use by multiple users on one machine.
[09:46] <IceDC571> freddy: wait it dont matter if shes married, go get her!
[09:47] <freddy> IceDC571, hahaha
[09:47] <prego> IceDC571, I don't see the how to sync so she comes to ones bed
[09:47] <freddy> IceDC571, so the playback on the computer is just fine
[09:47] <nickrud> kolas and I hope to be contradicted ;)
[09:47] <IceDC571> freddy: yep, its just a new ipod bug they could sqaush in the next few months
[09:48] <IceDC571> and i was like, maybe i need to enable DMA on my ipod!! but then you cant enable dma on usb devices, can you?
[09:48] <u-sun> hi all
[09:48] <freddy> nop from what i know of
[09:49] <bigfoot1> iluciv, i don't want to buy any other gadgets.
[09:49] <u-sun> i am trying to run 'pd' and i getthese errors
[09:49] <IceDC571> bigfoot1: yeah.. have you heard of skype?
[09:49] <bigfoot1> iluciv, IceDC571: When we say "voip" do we mean buying special gadgets?
[09:49] <u-sun> LSA lib seq_hw.c:446:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory
[09:49] <u-sun> Segmentation fault
[09:49] <u-sun> u1sun@u-sun:~$ pd_gui: pd process exited
[09:49] <u-sun> how do i fix this?
[09:50] <iluciv> bigfoot1 :well all you need is microphone and speakers for any of it
[09:50] <IceDC571> bigfoot1: lets drop VOIP since it requires special gadgets.. now i see what you want
[09:50] <freddy> THE FRICKING SKYPE
[09:50] <kolas> How to allow an ext3 partition to be mounted like an USB memory, or like a CD ?
[09:50] <freddy> pay attention!!
[09:50] <iluciv> yeah skypes ok
[09:50] <poningru> I had question about canonical how does it provide funds? leach off of shuttleworth? or Support for Ubuntu?
[09:50] <mihai_> help. the pc crashes when I try to mount a fat32 partition
[09:50] <bigfoot1> iluciv, for any voip solution, all you need are a mic and speakers?
[09:50] <poningru> err generate funds would be better word
[09:50] <eyequeue> bigfoot1:  gnomemeeting uses an open protocol, mand there's skype which was mentioned that is proprietary
[09:51] <bigfoot1> IceDC571, please confirm: all you need for any VOIP solution is mic and speakers?
[09:51] <internat> surely someone knows a good howto for installing ur soundcard.. cause frigsg me whhy mine isnt working
[09:51] <iluciv> well maybe not every single one but many  thats all they require sure
[09:51] <poningru> bigfoot1: yes
[09:51] <eyequeue> bigfoot1:  headphones are wise to prevent feedback
[09:51] <bigfoot1> eyequeue, but gnomemeeting needs both parties to be using gnomemeeting right?
[09:51] <iluciv> internat: what type is it
[09:51] <poningru> bigfoot1: no
[09:51] <prego> bigfoot1, note that you may only call freely to other computers
[09:52] <poningru> any client using H.323 is fine
[09:52] <internat> creative live 5.1 sb live, emu10k1x
[09:52] <freddy> internat, chipset
[09:52] <poningru> so anyone had an answer to my question
[09:52] <bigfoot1> my friend is using a windows pc. what does he need for me and him to call each other on the internet?
[09:52] <nickrud> poningru I read once that canonical intends to make money teaching people to provide support for ubuntu installations, small and large.
[09:52] <bigfoot1> what software should he get?
[09:52] <internat> freddy: creative live 5.1 sb live, emu10k1x
[09:52] <Hoxzer> llllll
[09:53] <freddy> O_o
[09:53] <eyequeue> bigfoot1:  well, no, it does require both parties to be using the same protocol though.  i'm told there's some other *meeting app available for those stuck on an ms platform though, for example
[09:53] <poningru> netmeeting should do fine iirc
[09:53] <internat> suggestionos? i would have thought ubuntu would have detected it on startup and install.. but no it didnt
[09:53] <prego> bigfoot1, try skype, runs in win, linux, OS-X and is pretty easy to use
[09:53] <poningru> these answers are on there faq bigfoot1
[09:53] <bigfoot1> iluciv, and many of these voip solutions are free?
[09:53] <eyequeue> bigfoot1:  he would need that other *meeting app, and a headset and net connection
[09:54] <poningru> prego: please dont recomend skype its not oss
[09:54] <nickrud> I'd love to see a business plan
[09:54] <eyequeue> bigfoot1:  yeah, netmeeting it was
[09:54] <iluciv> bigfoot1: go skype its a no brainer to install go to www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:54] <poningru> when other oss things exist
[09:54] <prego> poningru, heh, he is goint to talk to a non oss btw.
[09:54] <iluciv> the voip protocol is free
[09:54] <IceDC571> well skype has its own support, which is free.. i dont see why we shouldn't mention it
[09:54] <poningru> iluciv: the skype protocol is not
[09:54] <poningru> it is proprietry
[09:54] <internat> iluciv: any suggestions?
[09:54] <iluciv> skype out is not
[09:54] <eyequeue> IceDC571:  not free, it is just not money
[09:54] <bigfoot1> poningru, which faq?
[09:55] <poningru> the gnomemeeting faq
[09:55] <poningru> hold on let me link you to it
[09:55] <freddy> skype is free
[09:55] <IceDC571> i hate that skype for linux was built on Qt
[09:55] <eyequeue> IceDC571:  free means freedom in this channel
[09:55] <IceDC571> eyequeue: okay, i'll keep that in mind, thank you
[09:55] <poningru> http://www.gnomemeeting.org/index.php?rub=3&pos=0
[09:55] <prego> IceDC571, use plastik theme in QT and clearlooks in GTk...
[09:55] <poningru> bigfoot1: did you catch that
[09:55] <eyequeue> IceDC571:  i hope i said that friendly-ly :)
[09:56] <poningru> nickrud: are they not doing support themselves?
[09:56] <freddy> i still dont get the skype issue
[09:56] <poningru> freddy: skype is not free as in freedom
[09:56] <internat> skype is good.. i dont midn it, i use it a bit
[09:56] <bigfoot1> eyequeue, yes, for me free means no money necessary. 8-)
[09:56] <IceDC571> is the US free as in freedom? lol
[09:56] <eyequeue> freddy:  capsule summary: they use closed protocols, so no open source apps can be written to interface with them
[09:56] <freddy> lol
[09:57] <iluciv> internat: whats your dmesg say
[09:57] <bigfoot1> poningru, thanks for the faq link
[09:57] <poningru> np
[09:57] <freddy> gotcha
[09:57] <IceDC571> eyequeue: yeah i see what your saying, they dont give the source code out too
[09:57] <eyequeue> freddy:  today they charge for "skype out" but nothing prevents them from charging for everything some day, if they get enough users
[09:57] <nickrud> poningru, well, I get plenty of support myself, already. Just how they get my money, well, I guess I'll have to donate
[09:57] <IceDC571> after all its from the users of kazaa, so beware! lol
[09:57] <IceDC571> makers*
[09:58] <Tomcat__> !
[09:58] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, Tomcat__
[09:58] <internat> nothing at all
[09:58] <poningru> the thing is our donations go to bounty not to the company
[09:58] <internat> about the soundcard that is
[09:58] <poningru> the company does not take donations supposedly
[09:58] <nickrud> poningru really? I find that rather pleasing
[09:58] <poningru> I know right
[09:58] <nickrud> a very pleasing idea
[09:58] <poningru> I have never felt this way about a corp.
[09:58] <MolochOwl> grrr is there a command I can just enter in the terminal (i didn't install a GUI) to stop the damn that from beeping everytime I hit the end of a line?
[09:58] <bigfoot1> actually, i do have skype installed.
[09:59] <bigfoot1> it's working fine.
[09:59] <poningru> I wished I could help canonical someway
[09:59] <iluciv> internat: hangone I'm having a look its odd cause its should be a well supported card
[09:59] <poningru> unfotunately I am no where near Mann
[09:59] <bigfoot1> but i was looking for an alternative. ONe that can at least includes an answering machine feature.
[09:59] <internat> thats what i thought, but it aint working :S
[09:59] <hondje> For the record, I hate reading latex docs
[09:59] <internat> modprobe loads the drivers etc, but the rest shits itself
[09:59] <poningru> bigfoot1: go to sourceforge and search for 'voip'
[09:59] <hondje> If anyone cared at all
[09:59] <bigfoot1> And I don't want to pay skype any money for their answering machine feature.
[10:00] <poningru> there are many clients that will pop up
[10:00] <poningru> that have answering machine feature
[10:00] <poningru> and allow vid conf as well
[10:00] <eyequeue> poningru:  actually, even if they don't want your money, you can help.  help them accomplish what they set out to do, help people in #ubuntu :)  write documentattion, whatever :)
[10:00] <iluciv> have you tried it in another box ie windows :S to see if is not a hardware error
[10:00] <MolochOwl> will pulling the speaker wire damage the motherboard it i don't shut it off?
[10:00] <IceDC571> all i need is an open source VOIP company to replace my phone line and i'm set :)
[10:00] <poningru> eyequeue: unfortunately I am not technically savvy
[10:00] <poningru> I try
[10:01] <poningru> but I am sometimes a hinderence
[10:01] <poningru> not helpful
[10:01] <eyequeue> openam - H.323 answering machine
[10:01] <eyequeue> openmcu - H.323 conferencing server
[10:01] <eyequeue> both ubuntu apps btw
[10:01] <nickrud> lol, we all learn from our egregious errors
[10:01] <kryl> salut
[10:01] <poningru> well you dont need a server since many voip clients now allow peer-to-peer
[10:02] <poningru> not just peer-server-peer
[10:02] <kryl> qu'es qu'il existe pour ajouter supprimer des services au demarrage et  l'extinction du systeme ?
[10:02] <poningru> just using H.323
[10:02] <IceDC571> is evolution really free?
[10:02] <internat> i get a message from artsmessage sayingg the device wasnt found.. dont know fi that helps or not
[10:02] <poningru> isnt it?
[10:02] <freddy> development Status Alpha :(
[10:02] <internat> default cant be opened for playback, no such device
[10:03] <kryl> ops
[10:03] <kryl> sorry
[10:03] <hyphenated> I use skype for making voip calls. it's not open-source, but it works well enough for me
[10:03] <nickrud> well, I don't think that gould patented it
[10:03] <eyequeue> kryl:  #ubuntu-fr ?
[10:03] <jgotangco> evolution is free
[10:03] <kryl> is there any tools to add or remove daemons from the boot sequence ?
[10:03] <IceDC571> yeah i sure hope it is
[10:03] <freddy> and the last version of voip was released in May 31 2002, shieet
[10:03] <iluciv> internat: was teh card in when you installed ubuntu?
[10:03] <eyequeue> kryl: yes, 'man update-rc.d' for details
[10:03] <internat> yep
[10:04] <kryl> k
[10:04] <iluciv> Internat:have you tried mopobing in the modules in
[10:04] <IceDC571> libdvdcss is illegal in my country and i use it :)
[10:04] <internat> yep
[10:04] <iluciv> modprobing
[10:04] <nickrud> kryl look at the files in rc2.d, and rcS.d. those are the boot sequence. you probaly don't want to change much
[10:04] <internat> modprobe snd_emu10k1x etc.. nothing happening
[10:04] <poningru> if any proggramers here are not happy with evolution please consider contributing to calendar: irc.mozilla.org #calendar
[10:04] <iluciv> what happens when you do that
[10:04] <internat> the drivers appear in lsmod but thats it
[10:04] <IceDC571> freddy: what you up to?
[10:05] <eyequeue> poningru:  sunbird?
[10:05] <poningru> yeah
[10:05] <freddy> IceDC571, checking voip
[10:05] <freddy> and the last version
[10:05] <poningru> well not the standalone version
[10:05] <internat> am i mean tot restart something after modprobing for stuff to work, or?
[10:05] <iluciv> only with 0 next to them or are they linked
[10:05] <freddy> 2002 =/
[10:05] <eyequeue> poningru:  i keep hoping for > 0.2, heh
[10:05] <poningru> sunbird is the standalone version
[10:05] <kryl> there isn't any graphic tools ? :)
[10:05] <poningru> hehe it will come
[10:05] <freddy> IceDC571, you?
[10:05] <kryl> no pb about that it is a simple question update-rc.d seems to be sufficient
[10:06] <poningru> he is one of the devs
[10:06] <internat> 0
[10:06] <iluciv> does anyone here use dvb-utils at all
[10:06] <eyequeue> kryl:  i don't know of gui, but there may be something.  never looked further than what worked here, heh
[10:07] <IceDC571> freddy: checking gnomemeeting hah..
[10:07] <IceDC571> gnome meeting can make pc to phone calls? is it free?
[10:07] <jino> hi all...
[10:07] <internat> how do i make something link to it?
[10:07] <freddy> IceDC571, lol
[10:07] <eyequeue> gnomemeeting is free
[10:07] <iluciv> internat: man I don't know you must be missing a module
[10:08] <freddy> can i make free phone calls with gnomemeeting?
[10:08] <nickrud> Kyral rcconf, sysvconfig and sysv-rc-conf, but they're all ncuurses, not really gui
[10:08] <jino> i have ordered  a few ubuntu cds from support site..but it has never come..
[10:08] <internat> but i just did the install today, from an image i downloaded today..
[10:08] <eyequeue> gnomemeeting (1)     - H.323 Videoconferencing for UN*X
[10:08] <MolochOwl> what do you add to a command to make the help/info file pause while scrolling?
[10:08] <jino> any idea?
[10:08] <Amaranth> you cna't make free phone calls with anything
[10:08] <IceDC571> jino: you have to wait a few months, they come really
[10:08] <freddy> Amaranth, lol
[10:08] <IceDC571> haha Amaranth
[10:08] <Amaranth> you can talk to other computer users with skype and gnomemeeting (not compatible with each other)
[10:08] <iluciv> internat: have you read the Ubuntu forums at all
[10:08] <internat> i dont know what modules i could be possibly missing its all installed
[10:09] <freddy> well...pretend :P
[10:09] <internat> yeah i went looking, and read a few things but nothing that helped
[10:09] <jino> IceDC571, ist ? am waiting for the last couple of months.
[10:09] <eyequeue> Amaranth:  [color]  boxes are not discussed here, heh
[10:09] <cafuego> Bah. 'ytalk' is all you need.
[10:09] <IceDC571> jino: it came 3-4 months for me
[10:09] <Amaranth> blue boxes?
[10:09] <Amaranth> those haven't worked in a _long_ time
[10:09] <u-sun> i have problems installing pd
[10:09] <u-sun> can you let me know how i can do this
[10:10] <iluciv> you got onboard sound??
[10:10] <freddy> oh i remember reading about the boxes a lot
[10:10] <freddy> never understood anything
[10:10] <freddy> phreak crack hack...bah...
[10:10] <benplaut> \quit "goodnight everyone"
[10:10] <eyequeue> Amaranth:  mostly joking, but i've lived is some areas with pathetic switches (21k max connections with v32 at both ends)
[10:11] <benplaut> darn, did it again
[10:11] <freddy> prostitutes..linux....food..sleep...enough for me :D
[10:11] <IceDC571> what the hell is a surname?
[10:11] <freddy> lastname IceDC571
[10:11] <jino> does ubuntu work well with hp laptops..?
[10:11] <IceDC571> oh.. thank you freddy..
[10:11] <internat> nope
[10:11] <eyequeue> Amaranth: made me wonder if drapers 2600 whistle would work, heh
[10:11] <kryl> I'm searching if there is a command to show status of a daemon in the boot with update-rc.d I dont see anything in the man about that thing
[10:11] <internat> well i had onboard sound, its disabled.. and has been for months
[10:11] <Amaranth> hehe
[10:12] <freddy> IceDC571, like my surname is Rivero Bravo...and my name is Freddy Daniel
[10:12] <iluciv> internat:have a quick look at http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=All#matrix
[10:12] <IceDC571> freddy: oookay lol
[10:12] <freddy> haha
[10:13] <cafuego> freddy: Not drag queen name. Family name.
[10:13] <freddy> does ubuntu work well with toshiba laptops?
[10:13] <freddy> lmfao
[10:14] <freddy> thats my real name you bast
[10:14] <freddy> haha
[10:14] <cafuego> freddy: Freddy Daniel Rivero bravo?
[10:14] <cafuego> Sheesh
[10:14] <freddy> yup
[10:14] <freddy> haha
[10:14] <cafuego> Your parents must do a lot of drugs ;-)
[10:14] <freddy> haha
[10:14] <poningru> freddy: yeah it works pretty well in my friends comp
[10:14] <nickrud> Kyral invoke-rc.d <thing> status, if it's implemented
[10:14] <poningru> err toshiba lappy
[10:14] <cafuego> freddy: Is your first name 'Freddy' or 'Freddy Daniel' ?
[10:15] <cafuego> (See also: middle name)
[10:15] <freddy> cafuego, Freddy
[10:15] <iluciv> internat: then this guide in the forums should help if you use that driver I guess http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21211&highlight=SB+5.1
[10:15] <cafuego> Eh-heh, if I pat the cat she burps
[10:15] <freddy> cafuego, it sounds diferent down here in south america :D
[10:15] <IceDC571> gnomemeeting is making me pay to call to a phone!! so much for free as in freedom!! grr..
[10:15] <cafuego> freddy: I'd hope so ;-)
[10:15] <freddy> :P
[10:16] <cafuego> Sounds brazilian
[10:16] <cafuego> (protugese)
[10:16] <freddy> hehe venezuelan
[10:16] <nickrud> heh, my 8 week old alley cat just bit me to get the meat
[10:16] <freddy> but reaaaally close
[10:16] <IceDC571> nickrud: a real cat? or like a girl?
[10:16] <iluciv> internat: it would be funny if you just had to unmute the alsamix in terminal type sudo alsamixer
[10:16] <nickrud> a cat, an alley cat :)
[10:16] <IceDC571> sudo alsamixer?? lol
[10:16] <cafuego> freddy: Venezula is spanish speaking though, innit?
[10:17] <freddy> yup
[10:17] <IceDC571> more like only typing alsamixer unless you want to change the root's mixer
[10:17] <cafuego> ok, just checking :-)
[10:17] <iluciv> IceDC571; ?
[10:17] <IceDC571> uhh.. nevermind i was talking about the cat
[10:18] <IceDC571> nickrud: do you have any pics of the cat?
[10:18] <freddy> IceDC571, do we have to have tits and pussies to be able to talk to you? sheeeesss....
[10:18] <u-sun> ANYOne know about PD?
[10:18] <IceDC571> freddy: no, you dont need a sex change to talk to me.. thank you
[10:18] <nickrud> yes, but, I don't have a scanner at the moment, gotta fit it into this houses budget.
[10:18] <freddy> HAHA
[10:19] <IceDC571> i love kitties!
[10:19] <freddy> IceDC571, what are you up to?
[10:19] <thenuke> I would like to change some sex with someone :I
[10:19] <iluciv> I had a problem with sound in kubuntu and an old gateway 2000 computer alsamix was muted did that and it worked for all users so umm ??
[10:19] <nickrud> but, it's black, except for the 4 or 5 hairs on the chest that makes it not quite black
[10:19] <IceDC571> freddy: i'm um... trying to find out why my gnome looks so ugly right now
[10:19] <freddy> thenuke, lol
[10:20] <freddy> IceDC571, screenshawt?
[10:20] <freddy> i made mine look awesome with a tutorial in the forums
[10:20] <poningru> I had a suggestion for the root and gnome sudo thingy
[10:20] <freddy> mostly the fonts
[10:20] <poningru> why not change the color of the window when you switch to sudo
[10:20] <poningru> err root
[10:21] <jino> IceDC571, does ubuntu work well wid a laptop , an hp make..?
[10:21] <poningru> jino: yes it does
[10:21] <poningru> using compaq right now
[10:21] <poningru> works very well
[10:21] <prego> poningru, latest gnome releases tend to shade the screen except for the password window.
[10:21] <poningru> oh wow
[10:21] <poningru> did not know that
[10:21] <freddy> jino, toshiba satellite here..works perfect.
[10:22] <prego> poningru, see foresight linux screenshots
[10:22] <eyequeue> poningru:  applications > system tools > root terminal
[10:23] <prego> poningru, http://www.foresightlinux.com/screenshots/index.php?image=sudo_prompt.png
[10:23] <eyequeue> poningru:  edit > current profile > colors ... i set it to red on black, and it stays that way
[10:23] <chez> can someone PLEASE help me out with my pen drive I can't write to it as or chmod it despite being the owner and the permissions being 700 - someone said I way have to change my hotplug settings - no idea how to do that
[10:23] <IceDC571> freddy: http://home.comcast.net/~sexycatsinhats/Screenshot.png
[10:24] <IceDC571> freddy: i have ie and itunes :) lol
[10:24] <prego> chez, check the thing has not a switch
[10:24] <prego> chez, a lock I mean...
[10:24] <freddy> IceDC571, damn! how?
[10:24] <poningru> sorry not running breezy yet
[10:25] <freddy> IceDC571, and i see you made the fonts tweaking too
[10:25] <iluciv> dvb-utils anyone??
[10:25] <Hoxzer> Can somebody give me shell accounts for irssi for just one day?
[10:26] <Hoxzer> I want to use Qnet
[10:26] <thenuke> try mirc :)
[10:26] <thenuke> or xchat
[10:26] <IceDC571> why are we suggesting mirc?
[10:26] <poningru> use xchat
[10:26] <poningru> no mirc
[10:26] <poningru> crappy
[10:27] <jino> freddy , the laptop has only 256 mb ram , will that suit..?
[10:27] <Hoxzer> Thenuke: god damnit! :D
[10:27] <Hoxzer> I cant from herer
[10:27] <chez> prego: it does have a lock - but when the lock is on it on't let me make any changes to the pendrive.  What do you guys recommend?
[10:39] <freddy> buy it to get the answering machine
[10:39] <poningru> no
[10:39] <poningru> gnome meeting
[10:39] <freddy> ok sleep time really bad
[10:39] <freddy> prego, nite
[10:40] <freddy> poningru, nite
[10:40] <IceDC571> poningru: hmm.. im trying to look for answering machine or voicemail on gnomemeeting but i dont seem to find it
[10:40] <IceDC571> freddy: nite!
[10:40] <prego> freddy, dulces sueos
[10:40] <freddy> IceDC571, nice talking to you man, nite nite...see you around
[10:40] <MolochOwl> have the computer record it...there must be several different ways that could be accomplished
[10:40] <freddy> prego, you too
[10:40] <poningru> night
[10:40] <prego> prego, still in the morning here in spain...
[10:40] <freddy> IceDC571, your always around here?
[10:40] <prego> freddy, i mean...
[10:40] <IceDC571> freddy: yes, sadly
[10:40] <freddy> IceDC571, haha
[10:41] <freddy> prego, morning?
[10:41] <freddy> spain?
[10:41] <freddy> nice
[10:41] <freddy> i would love to go to spain
[10:41] <ufzobook> hellas all. i have a question. under gentoo, when i emerge a software, the sources will be saved in a directory. and i can delete them to save disk space.under ubuntu they are saved also, elswhere. but where ;) ?
[10:41] <freddy> ok, i cant type anymore
[10:41] <Whistler> how do i run *run files?
[10:41] <freddy> zzZzzZz
[10:41] <ufzobook> Whistler, what files ?
[10:41] <poningru> http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Open+Source+VOIP+Software
[10:42] <WMCoolmon> hrm, so nobody's tried out half-life 2 with cedega...?
[10:42] <jono> while I am working today I am gonna backup my CDs - I am using cdparanoia - does anyone know if the paranoia is important or if ripping them without it is fine?
[10:43] <hairyhobbit> cedega works well in ubuntu?
[10:43] <prego> jono, depends strongly on your hardware
[10:43] <parabolize> hairyhobbit, yes
[10:44] <prego> jono, however if your hardware is so OK, cdparanoia is almost as fast as direct extraction, IMHO
[10:44] <IceDC571> cedega.. free as in freedom?
[10:44] <prego> jono, when you extract audio, do you get "------" or "      "?
[10:44] <parabolize> IceDC571, no :(
[10:44] <hairyhobbit> parabolize, cedega cvs?
[10:45] <jono> prego, I a using grip to do this
[10:45] <WMCoolmon> hairyhobbit: in my experience, no
[10:45] <parabolize> didn't try cvs
[10:45] <WMCoolmon> i have yet to get homeworld, homeworld cataclysm, starcraft, or half-life 2 working
[10:45] <prego> jono, do a probe: cdparanoia -B 1
[10:45] <jono> prego, will grip chuck an error if cdparanoia does not like something?
[10:46] <bigfoot1> why is it that Phone Calling over the internet isn't like email? With email, you can email to anyone in the world. The recipient of the email doesn't have to be on the same ISP as you or use the same software. BUt with Phonecalling over the internet, you must use the same software or same technology. so a skype user can only communicate with another skyper, for example. Will this mess be sorted out in the future?
[10:46] <prego> jono, it will show a progress bar
[10:46] <prego> jono, if you get a blank progress bar, your hardware should be fine enough
[10:46] <bigfoot1> WHet I say "Phone Calling over the internet", I mean one PC user to another.
[10:46] <jono> prego, everything seems to be ripping fine
[10:46] <WhoYa> hi all
[10:47] <hairyhobbit> WMCoolmon, I'm very sad to hear about that, I was so hoping to try Cedega cvs with Ubuntu. Have you tried Vice City or any of the Warcraft or Age of Empires games?
[10:47] <prego> jono, and the progress bar has no kind of signs except for spaces
[10:47] <jono> prego, ok cheers
[10:48] <prego> jono, note however that damaged CDs would require cdparanoia nevertheless.
[10:48] <gilv> how to register a nick ?
[10:48] <jino> how can i watch a web cam in gaim?
[10:48] <inemo> jino: check out gaim +vv
[10:49] <gilv> it's possible to use a webcam with gaim ?
[10:49] <WMCoolmon> hairy: no; i've heard that people have been able to get WoW running, though
[10:50] <prego> jono, I always use cdparanoia, anyway. I'm trully paranoic about sound quality
[10:50] <prego> paranoid
[10:50] <jono> prego, good way to go! :)
[10:52] <IceDC571> ooo.. this looks interesting http://www.pcbsd.org/
[10:52] <IceDC571> except the kde part..
[10:52] <bigfoot1> is there any piece of software available that would be an answering machine for skype ? If no, is there something other than skype that has "answering machine" capabilites?
[10:52] <hairyhobbit> WMCoolmon, I will try some tests and see how many games I can run with it
[10:54] <hintswen> hey
[10:54] <WMCoolmon> hairyhobbit: gl
[10:54] <hintswen> can i install Ubuntu from the install cd(creating another partition) without loosing any data?
[10:55] <hairyhobbit> bigfoot1, tell people to record a sound file and e-mail it to you?
[10:55] <prego> hintswen, sure, if really you know what you are doing.
[10:55] <bigfoot1> hairyhobbit, i guess you can do that. i just wanted an easier way.
[10:55] <hintswen> dam
[10:55] <hintswen> what if i don't have a clue what i'm doing?
[10:55] <prego> hintswen, backup, backup, backup
[10:56] <hintswen> what if i can't lol
[10:56] <hintswen> 2 much stuff
[10:56] <prego> hintswen, critical step is partitioning IMHO
[10:56] <prego> hintswen, you have available partitions?
[10:57] <bigfoot1> anybody use hotrecorder with skype?
[10:57] <hintswen> no
[10:57] <jino> inemo , where do the link appear for viewing ca?
[10:58] <hintswen> i only have my windows partition
[10:58] <inemo> jino: dunno sorry, never used it.
[10:58] <prego> hintswen, from ubuntu installer you cannot shrink current partitions to make place to another one (AFAIK)
[10:58] <inemo> i'm on a mac so I use mercury messenger (which might be available for linux) or boot into XP and run msn7 jino
[10:58] <hintswen> ok
[10:58] <jino> okie
[10:58] <jino> thanks a lot
[10:58] <hintswen> so if i backed up...
[10:59] <bigfoot1> http://www.pamela-systems.de/ makes "Pamela" an add-on to Skype that acts as an answering machine. Unfortuanately it's onyl for winndows. ANbody know of a linux solution?
[10:59] <hintswen> i'd have to make m2 partitions then install
[10:59] <hintswen> then restore my backup?
[10:59] <prego> hintswen, there are software over there to do that kind of things, but you may take into account that noone warrants you
[10:59] <hairyhobbit> prego, yes you can
[10:59] <prego> hairyhobbit, I didn't know, thanks for the point
[11:00] <prego> hintswen, the idea is to backup (just in case something comes wrong), then defrag your windows partition, resize the partition using tool such partition magic or the one in the ubuntu install disk (as hairyhobbit says),
[11:01] <hintswen> dam
[11:01] <prego> hintswen, then, since there is now space left, put there two partitions at least (one for swap and another for the system), from the ubuntu installer
[11:01] <hintswen> defrag only taked about 2 years...
[11:01] <prego> hintswen, I know.
[11:02] <Whistler> i have 16gb of unpartitioned space can i join this space to my windows partition?
[11:02] <prego> hintswen, you have other more costly ways: to buy a new hard drive
[11:02] <poningru> bigfoot1: http://www.kevinelliott.net/asterisk/AVC/about.php
[11:02] <poningru> http://www.tech-faq.com/voip-software.shtml
[11:02] <hintswen> if i added a second hard-drive i wouldn't ahve to partition or anything... yeah?
[11:03] <johanbr> Just wondering if the nautilus audio preview is working for anyone? I'm running Breezy now, but I don't recall ever having it working on anything (Hoary, Warty, Debian Sarge, ...).
[11:03] <prego> hintswen, you would install ubuntu on the second hard-drive which you can partition at your glance
[11:03] <bigfoot1> poningru, does Asterisk work with Skype?
[11:03] <hintswen> k so how i check how big my hard drive is(using Ubuntu)
[11:03] <prego> hintswen, you might also create a windows partition there for backup purposes
[11:03] <poningru> http://www.speakfreely.org/
[11:03] <poningru> bigfoot1: almost nothing works with skype since the protocol is closed
[11:03] <bigfoot1> 8-)
[11:03] <prego> hintswen, make also in mind that if the computer is quite old it wont accept large hard drives...
[11:03] <bigfoot1> can't you reverse engineer skype?
[11:04] <poningru> you can but no one is willing to
[11:04] <hintswen> well a new computer will accept a old hard drive?
[11:04] <poningru> since there are many open protocols that do what it does pretty well
[11:04] <hintswen> cause old computer has ubuntu on it... thinking of talking that hard drive
[11:04] <poningru> hintswen: how old is the old computer
[11:05] <hintswen> verry old
[11:05] <poningru> and is it x86?
[11:05] <hintswen> 5+years
[11:05] <poningru> not that old
[11:05] <bigfoot1> poningru, i see
[11:05] <poningru> 5 years is not very old
[11:05] <hintswen> lol k well new computer could use that hard drive?
[11:05] <poningru> yeah probably
[11:05] <hintswen> might actually just get a new external hard drive...
[11:06] <poningru> hintswen: nah inernals are so much cheaper
[11:06] <hintswen> that'd work right? then i could just plug it in to any computer and run ubuntu?
[11:06] <bigfoot1> so is there a solution for this minor problem: A skype-like software that will allow me to  communicate with Windows users AND can act as an answering machine, too.
[11:06] <hintswen> yeah but i might move it around a bit
[11:06] <prego> hintswen, not really
[11:06] <hintswen> dam lol
[11:06] <prego> hintswen, hardware is detected during install....
[11:07] <hintswen> that's y my mouse didn't work? lol
[11:07] <prego> probably
[11:07] <hintswen> working now... got something to do with me putting windows cd in?
[11:07] <hintswen> cause it hasn't been wotking
[11:07] <hintswen> was bout to re-install windows but decided not to
[11:07] <hintswen> now mouse works
[11:08] <prego> ????
[11:08] <MolochOwl> yeah...detection during install is pretty lucky unless your using older parts.
[11:08] <hintswen> serial mouse lol
[11:08] <hintswen> VERRY old
[11:09] <mofat> umm can help me get ubuntu to play mp3's and divx?
[11:09] <poningru> bigfoot1: ask your friend to use an open protocol, open source client
[11:09] <poningru> mofat: ubuntuguide.org
[11:10] <bigfoot1> poningru, like what?
[11:10] <poningru> http://www.tech-faq.com/voip-software.shtml
[11:10] <poningru> look through there
[11:10] <poningru> there are many
[11:11] <MolochOwl> that guide really is a godsend..hard to believe it's "unofficial"
[11:11] <hintswen> maybe i just take this comnputer in to store with Ubuntu cd... ask them to put in new hard drive and install ubuntu on it...
[11:11] <hintswen> computer*
[11:11] <hairyhobbit> It appears Yahoo! has added some type of voice communication to their software, but I know nothing more than a news item I read about it. Probably Windows only I'd guess.
[11:12] <hintswen> reckon they would? lol
[11:12] <MolochOwl> your not in canada eh hintswen,,,I'd love to do that...and not even rip you off quite as bad
[11:12] <hintswen> lol
[11:12] <poningru> hintswen: where in aus do you live?
[11:12] <hintswen> melbourne
[11:12] <poningru> hmm hold on
[11:12] <hintswen> k
[11:13] <hintswen> my time here is limited so be quick...
[11:13] <poningru> how much would you be willing to pay for that?
[11:13] <hintswen> to get it installed? nothing for hard drive dunno
[11:13] <hintswen> might just get a new pc lol
[11:13] <hairyhobbit> hintswen, are you sure they wouldn't try to install Lindows instead?
[11:14] <lukus001> Somone help i can get my audio to work!
[11:14] <lukus001> cant*
[11:14] <hintswen> corse they wouldn't
[11:14] <poningru> cause I know a couple of unemployed people in melbourne
[11:14] <poningru> who will be more than happy to help you out
[11:14] <MolochOwl> i'd charge 30/40 for the drive and 50 for the OS...that's cheap
[11:14] <poningru> but I would do it myself
[11:14] <poningru> research it and then open up your comp
[11:14] <poningru> and install your hd
[11:14] <hintswen> wth i'd buy a new computer and install it on this 1(after i backup)
[11:14] <hairyhobbit> hintswen, most employees I've discovered at computer stores would cry like baby Jesus if they were confronted with a Linux install without a pretty GUI.
[11:15] <reisslein> anybody got a lexmark z600 usb printer working in here?
[11:15] <hintswen> lol
[11:15] <hintswen> ubuntu install was actually alot easyer than i thought it would have been
[11:15] <poningru> lukus001: whats the prob?
[11:15] <hintswen> people give linux a bad name
[11:15] <genbie> was IRC down?
[11:15] <iluciv> dvb-utils anyone used them much??
[11:16] <hintswen> i thought i'd be un-installing linux as soon as i saw it
[11:16] <bigfoot1> poningru, so if my friend gets an open-protocol, open source client software on his Windows pc, we therefore have voicemail capabilities?
[11:16] <MolochOwl> don't even need research...the drive will come set as master and you just have to plug it in...and nothing can be set in backwards...it's idiot proof
[11:16] <lukus001> poningru: i've got a asus a8n board with inbuilt sound, ive ogt a digital /optical cable pluged in but i cant get any sound
[11:16] <hintswen> anyway cyaz...
[11:16] <poningru> bigfoot1: yes but make sure it is using the same protocol as what you choose
[11:17] <bigfoot1> poningru, so let's say i'm using gnomemeeting and my Windows friend is using netmeeting. how do we go about using the digital "answering machine"?
[11:18] <bigfoot1> poningru, how came skype wasn't in the list at http://www.tech-faq.com/voip-software.shtml?
[11:18] <poningru> bigfoot1: because skype isnt exactly open protocol
[11:19] <reisslein> how comes that some applications don't register themselves in gnome panel ? f.ex. games like ketm or tuxracer ?
[11:19] <bigfoot1> poningru, how about the answering machine question? 8-)
[11:19] <poningru> oh gnome meeting apperantly doesn support it, my mistake
[11:20] <poningru> use another one of the many clients availble
[11:20] <poningru> dude do some research
[11:20] <poningru> search around
[11:20] <Amaranth> nothing but skype can work with skype
[11:20] <poningru> lukus001: sorry dude I have no clue
[11:20] <lukus001> poningru: ok np
[11:20] <poningru> mofat: please dont pm me
[11:21] <poningru> just say it in the channel that is ontopic
[11:21] <Amaranth> and skype isn't real VOIP, it doesn't support SIP
[11:21] <bigfoot1> Amaranth, so real VOIP is defined as anything that supports SIP technology?
[11:21] <Amaranth> seems to be, yes
[11:21] <poningru> mofat: http://www.tuxfiles.org/
[11:21] <mjr> well that's taking it too far; Skype clearly is VOIP, just evil and proprietary and in the way of proper open protocols
[11:22] <poningru> yeah what mjr said
[11:22] <mjr> and also in the way of the standardization that bigfoot1 seemed to want earlier :)
[11:22] <poningru> definition of voip is voice over IP
[11:22] <poningru> there are many protocol for that
[11:22] <poningru> protocols*
[11:22] <Amaranth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Session_Initiation_Protocol
[11:23] <Amaranth> There are two protocols that are open.
[11:23] <Amaranth> And afaik only one that is closed (Skype).
[11:23] <hairyhobbit> mjr, Skype is evil because it is proprietary? So does this mean you use open source video drivers?
[11:23] <mjr> hairyhobbit, in fact I do, on my home and laptop computers
[11:23] <Amaranth> with full 3D acceleration
[11:23] <bigfoot1> Amaranth, so the 2 open protocols are SIP and h.3423 (or something like that), right?
[11:24] <Amaranth> H.323
[11:24] <poningru> mjr: so do I
[11:24] <mjr> (work box doesn't, but that's the CS department official Linux for you)
[11:24] <Amaranth> which is what netmeeting and gnomemeeting use
[11:24] <poningru> bigfoot1: there are others that are open too
[11:24] <spafbnerf> Amaranth, hehe, with what video card? :p
[11:24] <cafuego> Surely NetMeeting doesn't use an OPEN protocol?
[11:25] <Amaranth> "Challengers to H.323 are SIP, a standard from the IETF and the new Skype protocol. All these are used in Voice over IP (VoIP, Internet Telephony, or IP Telephony)."
[11:25] <bigfoot1> i don't care whether something is open or closed, as long as it's free and i can use it? Should i care?
[11:25] <Amaranth> spafbnerf: Radeon 7000
[11:25] <poningru> cafuego: yes it does
[11:25] <mjr> bigfoot1, you should, if you want what you said earlier
[11:25] <Amaranth> spafbnerf: Hoping to get a 9200 soon.
[11:25] <londonboi2k3> Morning guys, I need to reboot my PC at home after my upgrade, I need it to mail me the new IP address I know i can use ifconfig | mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>but where do i need to put a script and how would it be formed? Thanks
[11:25] <spafbnerf> ok.... the opensource drivers for those r rly ne good?
[11:25] <mjr> bigfoot1, you know, about this mess being sorted out
[11:25] <spafbnerf> cz i know the proprietrary ATI drivers 2 b absolutely horrid :p
[11:26] <Amaranth> spafbnerf: The open source drivers for Radeon 7000-9250 are excellent
[11:26] <mjr> skype is a big part of that mess
[11:26] <bigfoot1> if i want to be rich, then I should make a closed thing right? If I'm the software creator, then the path to riches is via the " closed" path, right?
[11:26] <Amaranth> spafbnerf: And are a part of xorg so Ubuntu sets it all up for you automagically.
[11:26] <bigfoot1> mjr, gotcha.
[11:26] <Hoxzer> :D I still hate my mom
[11:26] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: Sure, but no one is going to get rich off software anymore.
[11:26] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: Not new comers, anyway.
[11:26] <spafbnerf> hmm, well i doubt the opensourceys know how to work the hardware so well as ATI :)
[11:26] <Hoxzer> she shutdown my shell server >_<
[11:26] <Hoxzer> im so pissed of
[11:26] <bigfoot1> for the masses, open is good. but for the moneymaking creator, it's the opposite, yes?
[11:26] <Amaranth> spafbnerf: Ha
[11:26] <Hoxzer> f
[11:27] <londonboi2k3> Any ideas guys :)
[11:27] <Hoxzer> and he could't restart it
[11:27] <mjr> spafbnerf, the oss drivers work well enough with my 9250 and 9000 mobility
[11:27] <Hoxzer> *she
[11:27] <Zaphod> lo all..
[11:27] <Amaranth> spafbnerf: iirc the open source drivers use features on cards that the official ones don't
[11:27] <spafbnerf> well enuff for 3d games etc?
[11:27] <bigfoot1> Amaranth, microsoft is rich. and that's just one example. am i wrong?
[11:27] <Hoxzer> :D gimme irssi for just one day so I can use irc in qnet
[11:27] <mjr> I'm waiting on the r300.sourceforge.net project to produce something before upgrading to 9600 or something
[11:27] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: Not new comers, anyway.
[11:27] <Jimbob> bigfoot1: You're confusing creator with owner.
[11:27] <spafbnerf> Amaranth, lol, well i'm not shur wot to make of that ;D heheheh
[11:27] <bigfoot1> Amaranth, pardon me.
[11:27] <bigfoot1> 8-)
[11:27] <Zaphod> I need a bit of help.. where do I find a list of applications available for download for Ubuntu?
[11:27] <mjr> spafbnerf, maybe not new ones with such old cards, but I play NWN quite happily with them
[11:27] <Amaranth> spafbnerf: ATI makes/made shitty drivers.
[11:28] <Nikki> hi, this is slightly offtopic but I'm confused!
[11:28] <Amaranth> spafbnerf: They are better now, but if they don't even use all of the features on the card...
[11:28] <bigfoot1> i can't differentiate between creator and owner.
[11:28] <mjr> (yes, I care less about freedom when it comes to a single application than when it comes to a driver or protocol)
[11:28] <Nikki> I'v brought a laptop and I want to find out information about the hard disk, like its RPM
[11:28] <poningru> Zaphod: you can use synaptic
[11:28] <spafbnerf> i wldnt know, never got them to work :p hehehe....
[11:28] <spafbnerf> well mayb the open drivers r using the wrong features? :o
[11:28] <Amaranth> Zaphod: packages.ubuntu.com lets you search them
[11:28] <spafbnerf> wot is NWN?
[11:28] <mjr> spafbnerf, neverwinter nights
[11:28] <Amaranth> Zaphod: There are thousands of packages available
[11:29] <spafbnerf> ooooh *looks it up*
[11:29] <Nikki> but I dont know how to go about it, PS I havent burnt Ubuntu yet so a windows program would be nice, I mean it shouldnt be that hard to find out specs about your HD should it!?
[11:29] <poningru> Nikki: offtopic please go to a techcannel
[11:30] <Amaranth> Nikki: Perhaps the device manager tells you that?
[11:30] <Nikki> nope it doesnt
[11:30] <ufzobook> Nikki, how about open it
[11:30] <ufzobook> and look at the label
[11:31] <hairyhobbit> Nikki, google gpick list of lists and you'll find a lot of links to free windows utilities
[11:31] <Mattias> Hello people :) Anyone know how the support for ATI Radeon X800 XL PCI-e are in ubuntu?
[11:31] <Plouf_> hi is there a french ubuntu channel ?
[11:31] <ivoks> oh, we have a lady here
[11:31] <mjr> (mm, sip-supporting gnomemeeting is getting closer... :)
[11:31] <ivoks> or Nikki is trasvestit :)
[11:31] <Hoxzer> Mattias: what are you going to do with that powerful video card?
[11:31] <Nikki> its a laptop, under warranty, cant open it :D
[11:32] <poningru> ah
[11:32] <Mattias> Hoxzer, Well, I want and all-round-PC so I bought this card :P
[11:32] <hyphenated> Nikki: any bootable live-cd should be suitable
[11:32] <|grunt|> Or nikki is a guys name
[11:32] <|grunt|> anyone think about that?
[11:32] <poningru> #ubuntu-fr
[11:33] <Nikki> yep downloaded live CD, just got to burn it
[11:33] <poningru> to Plouf_
[11:33] <Plouf_> thank's poningru
[11:33] <bigfoot1> i have popus disabled in fx but still get unwanted pages showing up. what's up?
[11:33] <bigfoot1> popus--> popups
[11:34] <poningru> bigfoot1: what kind of popups?
[11:34] <poningru> popunders?
[11:34] <bigfoot1> maybe that?
[11:34] <bigfoot1> maybe that.
[11:34] <bigfoot1> i don't know which it is.
[11:34] <poningru> ok open up firefox
[11:34] <bigfoot1> okay.
[11:34] <poningru> type in about:config
[11:34] <bigfoot1> it is open
[11:34] <poningru> and press enter
[11:34] <Hoxzer> Linux should have better win emu's
[11:34] <nik> Thanks a lot hairyhobbit :), your link helped
[11:34] <hairyhobbit> bigfoot1, install privoxy
[11:34] <poningru> bigfoot1: http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/007682.html
[11:35] <poningru> just follow that
[11:35] <nik> C ya later, Thx again hairyhobbit
[11:35] <bigfoot1> okay, i pressed enter, now what?
[11:35] <hairyhobbit> Hoxzer Windows should have better Linux emu
[11:35] <bigfoot1> poningru,  i pressed enter, now what?
[11:35] <poningru> bigfoot1: sigh
[11:36] <hairyhobbit> nik, did you find that page?
[11:36] <bigfoot1> oh, you mean check out the page?
[11:36] <bigfoot1> okay.
[11:36] <poningru> yeah
[11:36] <guidouil> hello all, I need some help regarding the command rename, can someone help me ?
[11:36] <bigfoot1> just curious, did you really sigh?
[11:36] <bigfoot1> 8-)
[11:36] <poningru> nah :)
[11:37] <guidouil> ok, due to the lake of answers I will ask more clearly
[11:38] <guidouil> I have many files named *foo* and i whant them this way *toto* can anyone throw me a bone here ?
[11:38] <guidouil> I have read the rename manual but it isn't very clear to me
[11:39] <hairyhobbit> guidouil, mv filenamedthis filenamedthat
[11:39] <poningru> for multiple
[11:39] <poningru> http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/150/print
[11:40] <poningru> bigfoot1: did everything work out ok?
[11:41] <poningru> about the popups
[11:41] <xterminus> is there any way to change a processes's priority - nice?
[11:41] <bigfoot1> i'm still surveying which route i should take. the comments seem to say that adblock can take care of them.
[11:41] <ufzobook> kewl, there is a Enlightenment 17 live cd now. still testing version, but beter than installing this with ubuntu.
[11:41] <guidouil> thx poningru
[11:41] <ufzobook> sure xterminus.
[11:42] <bigfoot1> poningru, can you give me an example of a site that adblock doesn't block by default
[11:42] <bigfoot1> ?
[11:42] <bigfoot1> not a site, i'm sorry, but a popup/popdown window
[11:42] <xterminus> ufzobook, i've used nice to change the prio of a program when starting it, but i can't seem to figure out how to change the priority of a process allready running
[11:42] <poningru> adblock doesnt block anything by default
[11:42] <poningru> xterminus: http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/tutorials/processes.html
[11:43] <poningru> bigfoot1: what is your filter?
[11:43] <ufzobook> you can change it wit a gui in gnome
[11:43] <bigfoot1> my filter, poningru ?
[11:43] <ufzobook> and also in the shell
[11:43] <poningru> yeah
[11:43] <bigfoot1> how do i find out my filter?
[11:43] <xterminus> i killed gnome off, got to slow
[11:43] <xterminus> i have a process i need to keep running until it finishes though
[11:43] <poningru> ctrl+shift+p
[11:44] <poningru> bigfoot1: what are you trying to do?
[11:44] <thespiritoftal> hi how can i open mp3 files in ubuntu?
[11:44] <ufzobook> xterminus, do you know top?
[11:44] <xterminus> yeah
[11:44] <ufzobook> there you can change this
[11:44] <bigfoot1> poningru, block out popup/popdowns that Firefox doesn't stop, even when i have disabled popups in the options area
[11:45] <ufzobook> or you just use renice
[11:45] <ufzobook> but i think you already found out renice
[11:45] <xterminus> yeah, thanks
[11:45] <ufzobook> in top, when you hit r, you can renice a process
[11:45] <thespiritoftal> noone knows???
[11:46] <spafbnerf> kill ubuntu!!!
[11:46] <thespiritoftal> can someone plz help me how to run mp3 files in ubuntu? The music players doesnt support it
[11:46] <ufzobook> www.ubuntuguide.org @ thespiritoftal
[11:46] <poningru> bigfoot1: did you follow that site?
[11:46] <poningru> here I will help
[11:47] <ufzobook> you will find there all you need for the first week using ubuntu i think
[11:47] <schasi> thespiritoftal: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats iirc
[11:47] <poningru> bigfoot1: go to about:config
[11:47] <poningru> right click anywhere on that window
[11:47] <bigfoot1> poningru, yes, i'm still reading that webpage, particularly the comments section
[11:47] <bigfoot1> 8-)
[11:47] <poningru> no need for the comments
[11:47] <bigfoot1> you are so helpful. why?
[11:47] <bigfoot1> 8-)
[11:47] <poningru> just do what that person says
[11:48] <poningru> what asa says to do
[11:48] <hairyhobbit> bigfoot1, install privoxy!
[11:49] <bigfoot1> hairyhobbit, poningru, first could you give me an example website that uses popups/popdows that firefox, with Preferences-->Web Features-->Block Popup Windows   doesnt' block?
[11:50] <bigfoot1> i guess i'm looking for a flash popup
[11:50] <poningru> bigfoot1: no clue
[11:50] <poningru> I have never experienced one
[11:50] <poningru> since I have most of those option enabled
[11:51] <poningru> I dont see any popus
[11:51] <poningru> popups
[11:52] <iluciv> why would I be getting this?
[11:52] <iluciv> sudo scan /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/examples/scan/dvb-t/au-Brisbane >channels.conf
[11:52] <iluciv> bash: channels.conf: Permission denied
[11:52] <poningru> wait I thought dvb-t was in US only?
[11:53] <iluciv> Why wuldn't I ahve permissions in superusr
[11:53] <warrior_> hey guys quick question, does anyone here use 2.6.11-1 on their ubuntu system?
[11:53] <poningru> I thought Aus went the way of Europe?
[11:54] <poningru> also bigfoot1 if you want a good adblock
[11:54] <poningru> use this
[11:54] <poningru> http://bene.sitesled.com/adblock.htm
[11:54] <iluciv> dvb-t = terrestrial tv free two view
[11:54] <poningru> yeah I know
[11:54] <Adross> how do i find out which partition is my /boot partition?
[11:55] <ceu> warrior_: I've tried the last <IP_ADDRESS> (compiled using make-kpkg). I hangs at boot time (with message "FATAL: Error running install command for binfmt_0000")
[11:55] <poningru> iluciv: I thought that was not that standard used in AUS
[11:55] <iluciv> poningru: well now you know :P
[11:55] <warrior_> ceu, yea I just installed 2.6.11 and it hung at it got past the splash but hung at loading my panels.  Why can other distros use it?
[11:56] <iluciv> I'm using <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:56] <poningru> my bad
[11:56] <poningru> iluciv: I thought AUS did ATSC
[11:57] <warrior_> iluciv, did you make your kernel yourself for ubuntu?
[11:58] <Adross> anyone?
[11:58] <warrior_> Adross, check your fstab
[11:59] <warrior_> Adross, /etc/fstab
[11:59] <iluciv> yep
[11:59] <iluciv> warrioe_ yep
[11:59] <Adross> thanks
[11:59] <iluciv> poningru: No not yet anyway maybe 2008
[11:59] <warrior_> iluciv, are you using gnome 2.10 with it?
[12:00] <iluciv> warrior_:yep
[12:00] <Adross> warrior_: how do i view it?
[12:00] <iluciv> umm your eyes might help :P
[12:00] <iluciv> sorry
[12:00] <poningru> Adross: emacs
[12:00] <warrior_> Adross, use nautilus and go to the file or type sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[12:00] <poningru> emacs /etc/fstab
[12:01] <poningru> type that into your  teminal
[12:01] <iluciv> warrior_: what happens
[12:01] <Adross> thanks
[12:01] <poningru> and if you want to edit it sudo emacs /etc/fstab
[12:01] <warrior_> iluciv, you mean with the kernel?
[12:01] <hairyhobbit> bigfoot1, I have no examples as I have no pop-up troubles. I suggested privoxy, have you tried it?
[12:01] <Adross> hmm, i can't understand it
[12:01] <Adross> if i post it in #flood, can someone tell me what it means?
[12:02] <warrior_> Adross, I'll take a look
[12:02] <iluciv> warrior_: sorry I still don't understand view it with the kernel??
[12:02] <Adross> cheers
[12:03] <iluciv> warrior: do you mean it doesn't load
[12:03] <koch2005> hello
[12:03] <warrior_> iluciv, I can't get 2.6.11 to work with gnome.  never has, but it should be stable as I used it with another os
[12:03] <poningru> Adross: it seems to be in sda6
[12:04] <Adross> ah k, cheers
[12:04] <Adross> so, knowing that, how would i go about fixing grub after reinstalling xp?
[12:04] <iluciv> I had no problem with gnome cept when I try to use my nvidia drivers (stock from nvidia.com) then I get segmentation errors I'll post a link gto a great link on the forums works a treat
[12:04] <lok> Adross, use a live-cd
[12:04] <poningru> Adross: you cant reinstall xp without deleting your other partitions
[12:05] <warrior_> iluciv, unfortunately I have an ati card
[12:05] <Adross> i did
[12:05] <bigfoot1> hairyhobbit, no i haven't tried privoxy yet.
[12:05] <koch2005> What are the steps needed to configure sound in Ubuntu ? I had loaded my sound card driver Aztec 2320 in Ubuntu and it was playing system sounds properly. But I am getting distorted sound while playing an mp3 file.
[12:05] <poningru> how
[12:05] <Adross> but i can't boot into it
[12:05] <poningru> bigfoot1: its pointless
[12:05] <bigfoot1> how come when i do a Ctrl-C in XChat ,it momentarily diappears.
[12:05] <Adross> it says it can't read the partition, and the ntldr is missing
[12:05] <bigfoot1> what's pointless
[12:05] <bigfoot1> ?
[12:05] <bigfoot1> poningru, L
[12:05] <bigfoot1> ?
[12:05] <iluciv> warrior_:http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=43065&page=1&pp=10&highlight=kernel
[12:05] <poningru> privoxy
[12:06] <iluciv> warrior_: Its a great howto
[12:06] <koch2005> Does anybody have the same sound problems in Ubuntu?
[12:06] <Adross> hmm, i think i have it
[12:06] <Adross> thanks
[12:07] <bigfoot1> poningru, oh i see. i kinda thought you were going to say it's useless talking to me.   8-)
[12:07] <poningru> rofl
[12:07] <koch2005> I think negating the sound problem. Ubuntu is really fabulous
[12:07] <poningru> nah we were all new to this once
[12:07] <hairyhobbit> poningru, privoxy is pointless? Explain
[12:07] <poningru> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privoxy
[12:07] <iluciv> I think graphics card suck either brand
[12:07] <poningru> all of that can be setup using adblock +
[12:07] <HrdwrBoB> iluciv: yes, however the nvidia cards work :)
[12:08] <poningru> and other extensions in firefox
[12:08] <koch2005> I had also tried enabling ESD - but to no avail
[12:08] <iluciv> HrdwrBoB: sorta sometimes
[12:08] <poningru> unless ofcourse you are not using firefox
[12:08] <poningru> then yes privoxy is necessary
[12:08] <HrdwrBoB> iluciv: mostly all the time
[12:08] <koch2005> Could anyone please point me to the right resource w.r.t configuring sound in Ubuntu?
[12:08] <HrdwrBoB> iluciv: look it's not perfect
[12:09] <HrdwrBoB> but if you want 3d in linux, there is no alternative.
[12:09] <warrior_> iluciv, I've read through that.  Sounded good but my only problem was making sure I got all my settings correct.  Is there a guide for choosing the right modules and all?
[12:09] <hairyhobbit> poningru, but if another user uses firefox will they have the same settings with adblock and extensions vs. privoxy?
[12:09] <iluciv> bah you come over here and get my tv-out working on either of my nvidia cards
[12:09] <HrdwrBoB> iluciv: I have TV out working with two nvidia cards
[12:09] <HrdwrBoB> my 5700 and gf2mx
[12:09] <poningru> hairyhobbit: I didnt understand your question
[12:09] <lukus001> okay i really cant get my audio to work, does any one know how to get audio from the digital /optical cable on an asus a8n-ali deluxe board?
[12:10] <lukus001> sli*
[12:10] <iluciv> IThats doesn't mean you'd get mine working I can't get it to work under windows
[12:10] <HrdwrBoB> lukus001: I'm not sure you can
[12:10] <HrdwrBoB> iluciv: heh, what card
[12:11] <iluciv> warrior_ thats the part where copy over your old config make oldconfig
[12:11] <bigfoot1> poningru, i think hairyhobbit is saying that privoxy doesn't have to be set up per user, while firefox does.
[12:11] <hairyhobbit> poningru, works for me
[12:11] <poningru> oh gotcha
[12:11] <poningru> yeah adblock and other extensions have to be setup
[12:12] <poningru> so yeah I guess a little more effort is required
[12:12] <iluciv> HrdwrBoB: Gforce 2 && 6600
[12:12] <HrdwrBoB> the gf2 should work.. odd
[12:12] <warrior_> iluciv, this could be easier than I thought.  Biggest question, do you have working 3d acceleration and linux headers to match 2.6.12-2?
[12:12] <HrdwrBoB> maybe it's broken
[12:13] <iluciv> My ati card works great (Tv-out that is ) only it sucks for 3d  ati9250
[12:13] <koch2005> Nvida is the best
[12:14] <iluciv> warrior_ I've posted in that thread near the end and gone through what I did like a newbie (cause I am one)
[12:14] <warrior_> iluciv, as am I
[12:15] <hairyhobbit> locate theonering
[12:15] <iluciv> Warrior_ only prob is the graphics its borking pretty frequently after installing the graphics drivers
[12:15] <iluciv> gnome that is
[12:18] <warrior_> iluciv, yea I'm gonna avoid 2.6.12 and try to go with 2.6.11 and use fglrx 8.14.13
[12:19] <Coyctecm> hey, how to install jar file? I have jre installed
[12:20] <nightswim> java -jar huu.jar
[12:20] <warrior_> iluciv, this is what I get for wanting to be faster on a perfectly good system.  bbl if all goes well and thanks for the thread reference
[12:20] <Coyctecm> thanks =)
[12:22] <iluciv> My tip is search your hardware types; it takes a long time (well it took me along time but hey I'm a little silly)
[12:22] <iluciv> yep <IP_ADDRESS> no very stable for this newbie
[12:23] <itz> Hi got problem with mounting harddrives. I used Mandrake before and there u could easily mount and make changes in a gui program. Are there any similiar in ubuntu?
[12:24] <itz> Seveas, can u help me this time to? :P
[12:24] <Seveas> maybe
[12:24] <itz> Hi got problem with mounting harddrives. I used Mandrake before and there u could easily mount and make changes in a gui program. Are there any similiar in ubuntu?
[12:25] <Seveas> you mean for windows drives..?
[12:25] <itz> nope ext3
[12:25] <Seveas> hmm, simply mount /dev/yourdrive /path/to/mountpoint    extr   rw,defaults   0  0
[12:26] <Seveas> in /etc/fstab
[12:26] <Seveas> afaik there is a disk mounter desklet in gdesklets too
[12:27] <itz> well simply for u maybe ;)  no i guess i will manage to fix fstab.... gdeklets where do i find that?
[12:27] <Seveas> sudo aptitude install gdesklets gdesklets-data
[12:27] <Seveas> ;)
[12:29] <itz> hmm ok.. ill try change fstab then first.... seems like problems for me either way :P
[12:29] <itz> Seveas, thx though
[12:34] <topyli> itz: did you recently add hard drives? the installer should find your stuff
[12:35] <itz> topyli, i installed with drives and ubuntu didnt find them... regular ext3.
[12:35] <acid2_> hey, does anyone know the package that contains libSDL.so ?
[12:35] <itz> but it works when i mount manually
[12:35] <mjr> acid2_, apt-get install apt-file ; apt-file update ; apt-file search libSDL.so
[12:36] <topyli> itz: yeah well, i have partitions mounted in places like /home/pub, i had to do those manually of course
[12:36] <itz> It did find drives in install session but now in X it havent mounted them in any way
[12:36] <acid2_> mjr - sweet, thanks
[12:36] <itz> topyli, well they doesnt exist in any way atm... they arent in mnt library either
[12:37] <itz> was alot smother in mandrake
[12:37] <topyli> itz: i hope they show up in fdisk though :)
[12:37] <itz> y
[12:37] <itz> they do
[12:38] <topyli> well, fstab editing it is then
[12:39] <itz> Im quite pleased with ubuntu this far but mandrake is alot easier for a noob like me :P  then i also have some bugs...  minor but still not perfect ;)
[12:39] <itz> topyli, Y
[12:40] <dualBhelp> hey can some one tell me a single line i can tell grub to boot hda1
[12:40] <dualBhelp> ?
[12:40] <dualBhelp> if thats possible
[12:40] <topyli> itz: it's a different philosophy. mandrake makes easy tools for doing arcane stuff. ubuntu tries to make things just work so you don't have to fiddle with things
[12:40] <itz> topyli, well lets se in a couple of month whats suits me best ;)
[12:41] <Nermal> dualBhelp, kernel=(hd0,0)/boot/<kernel image>
[12:41] <Nermal> then boot
[12:41] <topyli> itz: the proof of the pudding is in the eating =)
[12:41] <dualBhelp> Nermal: :D
[12:42] <dualBhelp> Nermal: um can u give me the standerd hory kernal in that line?
[12:42] <itz> topyli, hehe whatever u say mate
[12:42] <topyli> actually i think it was lenin who said that :)
[12:43] <itz> Quote: "topyli itz: the proof of the pudding is in the eating =)"    It seems like u said it :o
[12:44] <topyli> you quoted me quoting him :P
[12:44] <itz> Ok mr know it all ;)
[12:45] <topyli> heh
[12:46] <itz> topyli, maybe u can help me with one bug
[12:46] <topyli> itz: i googled. lenin quoted cervantes' don quixote o_0
[12:46] <topyli> itz: which one?
[12:46] <itz> When typing "su" in terminal i get answer: "su: Authentication failure"
[12:47] <nightswim> yes
[12:47] <topyli> itz: root logins are disabled
[12:47] <Seveas> ubuntu uses sudo
[12:47] <nightswim> the root account is disabled by default
[12:47] <topyli> use sudo
[12:47] <Seveas> itz: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[12:47] <Seveas> for a root shell: sudo -i
[12:47] <Hoxzer> Night: do you know what we had to ddoooo
[12:48] <itz> ok ill read it lather i guess sudo -i worked for the moment.. have to get some stuff to work first before reading everything.. i likte t do it the backway. (also with girls)
[12:49] <topyli> itz: you ask for their names last?
[12:49] <itz> topyli, something like that
[12:49] <topyli> perhaps not though
[12:50] <itz> I f%ck them first and ask after if it was ok to do that :O
[12:50] <topyli> "may i? or would you like to dance first?"
[12:51] <itz> guess im very tired my sense of humor is extremly low today :(
[12:52] <plovs> anybody knows how to overwrite files from posinst when building a package? I use Replace: <packagename>, but still get a complaint
[12:52] <topyli> itz: anyway, it's not easy to learn by hosing your system first and then reading why it might have happened :)
[12:53] <itz> topyli, i like it the hard way
[12:53] <itz> :p
[12:54] <topyli> plovs: Replaces: even?
[12:54] <itz> Nah im just like that... always trying to make shortcuts but it doesnt work very often so i guess im a slow learner :O
[12:55] <plovs> topyli: i have: "Replaces: tinyproxy"
[12:55] <graabein> hi. i need help with putting ftp-nerim in my repo-list
[12:55] <topyli> plovs: ok, just ruling out typos :)
[12:55] <graabein> i can access the address through firefox
[12:55] <mdke> graabein, the best solution is not to add it at all
[12:55] <plovs> topyli: wished it was that easy :-)
[12:55] <topyli> graabein: don't do that, it won't work
[12:56] <graabein> mdke, i need the mp3 decoder etc
[12:56] <mdke> graabein, these things are available from ubuntu repositories
[12:56] <itz> topyli, even the worst can do it right... :P
[12:56] <topyli> graabein: they track unstable, it's far away from hoary
[12:56] <graabein> allright, ill try to remove them
[12:56] <mdke> graabein, its very very unlikely that there is anything you need from ftp-nerim
[12:56] <topyli> itz: success by accident is difficult to reproduce :)
[12:57] <mdke> topyli, actually i believe there is a stable, testing and unstable marillat repos, but shhhhh
[12:57] <itz> hehe
[12:57] <graabein> i just want to run the script from the ubuntuforum for clean installs
[12:57] <graabein> get multimedia up and running
[12:57] <mdke> graabein, if that script uses marillat it is not good
[12:58] <topyli> mdke: [whispers]  well, testing might work
[12:58] <mdke> topyli, depends on your definition of "work"
[12:58] <topyli> i mean stable
[12:58] <graabein> mdke, ok... ill take a closer look at the script. maybe i can just edit the marillat part out
[12:58] <mdke> graabein, for the correct way to install multimedia and so on, check out the wiki page at RestrictedFormats
[12:58] <unome> Seveas: would you take a look at this please: http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/411
[12:59] <topyli> graabein: i looked at the script the other day. it won't work anymore
[12:59] <graabein> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22646
[12:59] <graabein> ok...
[12:59] <topyli> graabein: it's a good idea but the script should be fixed
[01:00] <graabein> topyli, yeah, i think so too...
[01:01] <topyli> anyway, i'd take a close look at any script on the net before running it as root :)
[01:01] <nikola> hi, how can I add logcheck in crontab to be run with sudo and not as root?
[01:01] <HrdwrBoB> sudo *is* root
[01:02] <mdke> nikola, sudo crontab -e should do it
[01:02] <nikola> mdake, and what do I put just after the time * * * user?
[01:02] <nikola> its root now
[01:02] <nikola> the user
[01:03] <topyli> root is ok
[01:03] <nikola> topyli, mdke, ok, thanks a lot!
[01:03] <mdke> i don't have any user written in my crontabs
[01:03] <mdke> just the time and the command
[01:03] <boodle> Hi all... Using Hoary and want to get my palm pilot (treo) functioning with gpilot.. it seems udev is to blame (can connect once then nothing). I've read all the forums/wiki stuff on ubuntu+palm but no luck other than futzing with /etc/udev/links.conf and manually setting ttyUSB0/1 but only good for one sync, then device not detected again.. any ideas?
[01:03] <mdke> perhaps it depends on what cron you run
[01:04] <topyli> mdke: aren't crontabs themselves owned as users? i think specifying a user is a special case
[01:05] <mdke> yes i think so
[01:05] <topyli> s/as/by
[01:05] <mdke> in my case i get a different crontab depending on which user runs it
[01:06] <topyli> yes
[01:10] <ja> hi,i'm newbie,i've just installed ubuntu 5.04 and run root console then i wrote : passwd and set me password ,and everything is almost ok i can login like a root and run all programs but only in console,when i lke to open synaptic or root terminal prom menu i have this error: Failed to run "program name":Child terminated with 1 status,i can open synaptic or root terminal by my user password not root password,please help
[01:11] <Seveas> ja, all menu entries use sudo
[01:11] <itz> ja, i also get that sometimes
[01:12] <Seveas> you do not need a root password
[01:12] <Seveas> ja: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[01:12] <mdke> the menu items all use sudo
[01:13] <topyli> ja: just disable root again. you don't need it
[01:13] <mdke> ++
[01:13] <mdke> sudo is great
[01:14] <ja> topyli i don't understand why i have to disable root ?
[01:15] <topyli> ja: you don't have to. it's just useless
[01:15] <nalioth_zZzZz> ja becuase on ubuntu, root isnt required
[01:15] <topyli> ja: everything in ubuntu uses sudo anyway
[01:16] <ja> ok imust read something about sudo because i don't knoe exactly what it is:)
[01:16] <bigdawg> topyli unless you compile wine
[01:16] <topyli> ja: read the wiki page Seveas gave you
[01:16] <mdke> ja, the link Seveas posted is good
[01:16] <bigdawg> topyli then it asks for root password
[01:16] <topyli> bigdawg: well, webmin does too :)
[01:16] <topyli> can be fixed though
[01:16] <bigdawg> but I solved that by giving root a password
[01:17] <Kuningaspultti> I'm beginner so please, this must sound a little dumb but i need to uninstall Ubuntu for a while and make some more space for it.
[01:17] <Hoxzer> :D gimme shell account
[01:17] <Nermal> Kuningaspultti, do it the same way you would uninstall windows
[01:17] <Nermal> fdisk :P
[01:17] <Hoxzer> Kuningaspultti: where do you from?
[01:17] <nalioth> Kuningaspultti: why not use qtparted?
[01:17] <Kuningaspultti> Finland
[01:17] <topyli> selvstikin :)
[01:18] <Kuningaspultti> Jep :D
[01:18] <bigdawg> After I uninstalled Windows, I stepped on the CD and shouted "evil be gone!"
[01:18] <bit_> k
[01:18] <Hoxzer> Kunin: is it possible to have shell account from you?
[01:18] <Kuningaspultti> No
[01:18] <Kuningaspultti> not right now
[01:19] <Hoxzer> yes, lets do it now
[01:19] <Hoxzer> aaah.... baby give it to me
[01:20] <Hoxzer> nice and slow but hard is rock
[01:20] <Kuningaspultti> Nermal, but i've never _uninstalled_ it, i've just formatted the whole hard disk
[01:20] <Nermal> you can't uninstall it
[01:20] <Nermal> why would you be able to
[01:21] <Nermal> well. you can rm -rf /
[01:21] <Nermal> :)
[01:21] <nalioth> Nermal: please watch the commands you write in hre
[01:22] <cloud[01] > newbie question: what is the full path to the trash?
[01:22] <bigdawg> cloud[01]  c:\
[01:22] <topyli> bigdawg: i have a windows server 2003 cd as a coaster at work. it's quite stable
[01:22] <nalioth> cloud[01] : depending on what software you have on, there are more than one path
[01:22] <cloud[01] > bigdawg LOL
[01:22] <Nermal> nalioth, why.. what are they doing?
[01:23] <Nermal> or are you another anal power giddy op ?
[01:23] <bigdawg> cloud[01]  sorry I could not resist =)
[01:23] <Hoxzer> :D dont use windowns as a server
[01:23] <nalioth> Nermal: some new users are 'curious' about commands...
[01:23] <cloud[01] > nalioh i've "erased" some root access files and now can't wmpty the trashcan :)
[01:23] <bigdawg> anal power? is that a package?
[01:23] <topyli> cloud[01] : in gnome, it's $HOME/.Trash
[01:23] <cloud[01] > topyli thanks
[01:23] <Nermal> nalioth, he wants to uninstall ubuntu. that command will effectively remove ubuntu
[01:23] <bigdawg> how do you install this 'anal power'?
[01:24] <Nermal> bigdawg, via a backdoor exploit
[01:24] <nalioth> Nermal: yes, i know
[01:24] <bigdawg> Nermal, lol!
[01:24] <bigdawg> finally, some humor today, thank you I need it
[01:24] <Nermal> you did ask :)
[01:24] <Nermal> office still spinning
[01:24] <cloud[01] > clean now :)
[01:25] <nalioth> cloud[01] : do you run kde?
[01:25] <cloud[01] > nalioth nope, gnome, but resolved :)
[01:25] <nalioth> cloud[01] : just wondering, kde has its own trash location
[01:26] <cloud[01] > nalioth thanks :)
[01:26] <NatF-UQI> stupid question.. what do i have to do to get my ps2 mouse working? when i installed i used usb
[01:26] <topyli> cloud[01] : i think it's a bug actually. root's files don't belong in users' trash
[01:26] <topyli> should be impossible to move them there
[01:26] <cloud[01] > topyli: don't exaclty now how that was possible
[01:26] <cloud[01] > let me try once again :)
[01:26] <bigdawg> is there a bug in checkinstall? Sometimes sudo checkinstall makes a .deb but a lot of time it fails for no good reason, anyone experience this?
[01:27] <Hoxzer> Topyli: can I  have one shell account for irssi thx
[01:27] <topyli> cloud[01] : it's possible all right. it's a bug imo
[01:27] <nalioth> bigdawg: do you read the logs when i fails?
[01:27] <topyli> Hoxzer: you can even have your own ubuntu installation on your own box!
[01:27] <bigdawg> nalioth, yes but it does not give a good reason it says it failed when it fails.
[01:27] <nalioth> bigdawg: hmm, mine fails all the time, due to dpkg
[01:27] <bigdawg> nalioth is it a bug or do some source code not like checkinstall method?
[01:28] <bigdawg> nalioth why due to dpkg?
[01:28] <Hoxzer> Topyli: I know but my mother shutdowned it >:<
[01:28] <Hoxzer> I was pretty angry to her
[01:28] <topyli> Hoxzer: who am i to argue with someone's mother? :)
[01:28] <cloud[01] > topyli: checked, chown root:root and then as normal user rm and worked
[01:28] <nalioth> bigdawg: well, checkinstall isnt anywhere close to debian standard deb packaging, and dpkg fails on replacing existing files mostly (for me)
[01:28] <cloud[01] > i mean went to the trash
[01:29] <topyli> cloud[01] : yep
[01:29] <poningru> how do you start up your shell?
[01:29] <cloud[01] > but then try to empty the trash :)
[01:29] <topyli> yep
[01:29] <bigdawg> nalioth, how can I make debian standard deb packaging without using checkinstall?
[01:29] <topyli> cloud[01] : it's crack
[01:29] <cloud[01] > topyli crack?
[01:29] <topyli> well, broken
[01:29] <nalioth> bigdawg: sometimes it fails cuz there's no valid version number
[01:29] <cloud[01] > topyli ok :)
[01:29] <mikcrophine> i luv you!
[01:30] <nalioth> bigdawg: you'll have to visit debian.org and see the developer docs to learn that
[01:30] <mikcrophine> nerds
[01:30] <Hoxzer> Topyli: you can give me some backup if I lose my own box for some reason
[01:30] <mdke> mikcrophine, we all love one another here
[01:30] <bigdawg> nalioth, thank you for valid version number mention, I will look into that, and thank you for the developer docs suggestion I will look to that thank you
[01:30] <mikcrophine> nerds
[01:30] <mdke> bigdawg, there is some packaging information on the Ubuntu wiki too
[01:31] <mikcrophine> package???
[01:31] <paulfox> hi all
[01:31] <mikcrophine> hi all
[01:31] <cloud[01] > Is there anyone here using Pronto as email manager?
[01:31] <bigdawg> mdke, thank you I look into that =)
[01:31] <mikcrophine> no
[01:31] <paulfox> has anyone managed to install vmware from the binary tar.gz on their site?
[01:31] <mikcrophine> no
[01:31] <mikcrophine> no
[01:31] <mikcrophine> no
[01:31] <mikcrophine> no
[01:31] <mikcrophine> no
[01:31] <DocTomoe> Excuse me ... where exactly do I find the Ubuntu Sparkle wallpaper used by Gnome in Breezy? I'd love to have this in KDE, but I cannot find the file...
[01:31] <mikcrophine> nooooooo
[01:31] <topyli> bigdawg: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/
[01:31] <mikcrophine> VIRUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[01:31] <cloud[01] > (i know it's not its irc but.. its own is down)
[01:31] <bigdawg> topyli, fantastic, thank you =)
[01:32] <mikcrophine> VIRUS transmittt messssaggge .
[01:32] <mdke> hmm
[01:32] <mdke> Seveas, you got ops on here yet?
[01:32] <bigdawg> someone throw mikcrophine a +q
[01:33] <NatF-UQI> wats the easiest way to make ubuntu find my ps2 mouse? cause its not currently :S
[01:33] <mikcrophine> Biddawg is really a sml dawg in pink undies
[01:33] <nalioth> you folks always have the /ignore option
[01:33] <mikcrophine> ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
[01:34] <NatF-UQI> anyone?
[01:34] <bigdawg> nalioth but it fills up the logs ;(
[01:34] <bigdawg> NatF-UQI search http://www.ubuntuforums.org
[01:35] <virus> virus
[01:35] <virus> VIRUS
[01:35] <Hoxzer> you ar3e
[01:35] <virus> please identify yourself!
[01:35] <virus> YOU ARSEHOL
[01:36] <Hoxzer> im you
[01:36] <virus> IMPOSSIBLE! i dont look like a whale
[01:37] <virus> hullo'
[01:37] <Hoxzer> Nonthing is what it looks like
[01:37] <virus> Is that what you say to the mirror
[01:37] <virus> ??????
[01:37] <virus> ok
[01:37] <Hoxzer> that is what I say to you
[01:38] <Hoxzer> are you mirror btw?
[01:38] <NatF-UQI> ok my other stupid question for the nite, is.. how the frig do u operate kde without a mouse.. whats the command to open the starbar like thing
[01:38] <nalioth> NatF-UQI: the 'windows' key
[01:38] <virus> people say im refective so same diff whale with no tail
[01:38] <NatF-UQI> windows key isnt working
[01:38] <topyli> NatF-UQI: the console?
[01:38] <virus> Hoxzer its feeding time
[01:39] <NatF-UQI> id like to get to the console :P im just in the default kde screen after one has logged in
[01:39] <topyli> NatF-UQI: ctrl-alt-F2
[01:39] <NatF-UQI> ta
[01:39] <topyli> come back with atl-F7
[01:39] <bigdawg> Xenguy if they did, they'd all be homeless
[01:39] <Xenguy> bigdawg: ;-)
[01:39] <virus> Comes from someone with time to waste SCOTTNOFRIENDS!
[01:40] <virus> MonkeyBrusirer
[01:40] <virus> the lot of it!
[01:41] <inemo> hi all
[01:41] <virus> Hullo Stupidity wasting away!
[01:42] <inemo> nice welcome virtuald
[01:42] <inemo> uh, virus even
[01:42] <virus> i know!
[01:42] <inemo> whats the best VNC server for ubuntu?
[01:43] <topyli> inemo: perhaps tightvnc
[01:43] <nalioth> inemo: is that a chevy/ford question?
[01:43] <topyli> heh
[01:43] <nalioth> inemo: vnc4server
[01:43] <inemo> nalioth: ??
[01:43] <virus> Hullo (reboots)
[01:43] <inemo> right ok
[01:43] <virus> right ok seems to be the only response
[01:43] <nalioth> inemo: c'mon a vi/emacs question? (iow, its based on opinion)
[01:44] <inemo> yeah, I have no idea on what vnc servers there are for ubuntu though
[01:44] <inemo> if you ask for the best you get various ones that work on different setups ;)
[01:44] <NatF-UQI> ive seriously broken something wiht this install :S
[01:44] <nalioth> inemo: there are plenty, 'vino' being the newest, i believe (and in my experience, the buggiest)
[01:45] <inemo> i'll avoid vino then :)
[01:45] <inemo> gotta install ubunt on the iBook yet anyway
[01:45] <virus> Do you  ever wonder why people bother to even talk here where there are millions of subways going un urinated
[01:46] <nalioth> off to urinate, i suppose
[01:46] <no_gatez_fan> do I need to edit a file to get shorewall going with a text editer and if so which one?
[01:47] <F> Hullo
[01:47] <inemo> hi F
[01:47] <F> where are all the apple users i need to check your harddrives
[01:47] <F> hi inemo!
[01:48] <F> inemo???
[01:48] <inemo> i'm an apple user, and you won't get anywhere near my HD :)
[01:48] <F> i dont know about that!!!!
[01:49] <F> :-*
[01:49] <F> inemo??
[01:49] <inemo> What?
[01:50] <F> what u wearing (apart from the HD)
[01:50] <F> inemo
[01:50] <inemo> clothes, now leave me alone
[01:50] <F> why?
[01:50] <HrdwrBoB> how can I get gam to let go of a mounted fs?
[01:50] <F> :-(
[01:51] <F> inemo made me sad!!!!!
[01:51] <F> :-(
[01:51] <jeroen_> My xserver has died
[01:51] <jeroen_> how do I reconfigure it?
[01:51] <F> poor uuuuu!!!!!
[01:52] <F> UM . . . . ..  i'll ask
[01:52] <F> JEROEN??
[01:52] <nalioth> jeroen_: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[01:52] <jeroen_> F: yes?
[01:52] <NatF-UQI> hmms.. i dont think ubuntu likes my keybaord and mouse thru a kvm.. i cant even install cause the keybaord isnt working
[01:52] <jeroen_> nalioth: thanks
[01:52] <F> im too sexy 4 this chat!!!
[01:53] <F> b d bdzbfvdvhgz m
[01:53] <golgor> can anyone tell me how to get root in gnome?
[01:53] <Hoxzer> yoou are sexy 4 me
[01:53] <F> VIRUS@@@@@@@@333333333333333333333333 url sever 55534 ABORT!\
[01:53] <nalioths_dog> golgor: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[01:53] <Hoxzer> golgor: well there is root terminal if you mean that
[01:53] <inemo> aww what a pity, he left.
[01:54] <Hoxzer> you can open files with that as a root
[01:54] <nalioth> inemo: you know you were totally fascinated by F
[01:54] <nalioth> lol
[01:54] <inemo> yeah right nalioth
[01:54] <Sexy> im alone and sexy
[01:54] <inemo> Sexy: you virus reincarnated?
[01:55] <Sexy> inemo: you bitch reincarnated?
[01:55] <golgor> yea, im trying to install vlc and i have to edit sources.list to add their server but i dont have the right to do so :P
[01:55] <nalioth> golgor: use sudo
[01:55] <Sexy> well r u?
[01:55] <inemo> no but if you are alone and sexy you might need to visit #ineedadate
[01:55] <Hoxzer> I need real linux server
[01:55] <Hoxzer> laptop is pretty poor :D
[01:56] <nalioth> inemo: i thought that #ihavemyhand would be more fitting for Sexy
[01:56] <Sexy> Poor u (ignore inemo very rude)
[01:56] <inemo> nalioth: true
[01:56] <inemo> I was waiting for him in there as well 9.9
[01:57] <no_gatez_fan> any one run shorewall?
[01:59] <golgor> nalioth, query :P
[01:59] <nalioth> Nameless1: dja get your cdrdao sorted yesterday?
[01:59] <jeroen_> /etc/X/X11 is not executable
[02:00] <Hoxzer> jeroen: how old are you?
[02:00] <golgor> gah, i have no idea to use sudo at all, can anyone explain how it works?
[02:00] <nalioth> jeroen_: do you have X11?
[02:00] <Nameless1> amsn has gone screwy on me can someone tell me how to force it to close even tho its not responding
[02:01] <nalioth> golgor: open a terminal and any command you would use from a root terminal, type sudo <command> instead
[02:01] <jeroen_> nalioth: I do
[02:01] <eyequeue> jeroen_:  breezy?  see where the symlink points, it may need to be moved
[02:01] <jeroen_> eyequeue: breezy, yes
[02:01] <no_gatez_fan> Nameless1 xkill
[02:01] <no_gatez_fan> ?
[02:01] <jeroen_> you mean they change the location?
[02:01] <hac> What is better ,Aterm or Eterm?
[02:02] <no_gatez_fan> then click on it
[02:02] <eyequeue> jeroen_:  between -33 and -34 i had that problem. they're moving a number of x related things yes
[02:02] <nalioth> hac: matter of opinion, but eterm is more configureable
[02:02] <golgor> nalioth, query pls?
[02:02] <nalioth> golgor: ask
[02:02] <golgor> i am
[02:03] <eyequeue> jeroen_:  my guess is that -35 may move things as well :)
[02:03] <Xenguy> hac: aterm is leaner AFAIK
[02:03] <Hoxzer> Nalioth: can you answer my question: how old are you?
[02:03] <nalioth> Hoxzer: old enough
[02:04] <NatF-UQI> so im guessing by that ur what, 11?
[02:04] <NatF-UQI> 12 maybe?
[02:05] <nalioth> golgor: 'sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list"
[02:05] <xerxas> I updated yesterday my breezy and cannot boot X anymore
[02:05] <xerxas> But this time cannot fix the problem
[02:05] <eyequeue> golgor:  sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:05] <nalioth> golgor: use the terminal
[02:06] <golgor> at last, thanks guys :)
[02:06] <xerxas> does anyone know or have an idea what's going on ?
[02:06] <xerxas> I didn't find anything on forums nor on lists
[02:06] <eyequeue> golgor:  sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list, if you need a non-gui editor
[02:06] <xerxas> and quickly checked bugzilla but didn't find nothing
[02:06] <oz__> xerxas: are you using a nvidia card?
[02:07] <eyequeue> xerxas:  i had to revert to -33, -34 seems beyond hope
[02:07] <xerxas> oz__: nope
[02:07] <xerxas> eyequeue: I don't have any usefull log
[02:07] <xerxas> oz__: i830 I think or 845 maybe
[02:08] <xerxas> eyequeue: I'm on breezy since it's begining and got used to fix X problems
[02:08] <eyequeue> xerxas:  nor i.  experimentation with selective upgrades/downgrades here
[02:08] <xerxas> with fonts, links ...
[02:08] <eyequeue> xerxas:  heh, yeah :-/
[02:08] <xerxas> eyequeue:  how do I do that ?
[02:08] <inemo> Hoxzer: hi
[02:08] <xerxas> apt-get install xserver-xorg/33 ?
[02:08] <xerxas> apt-get downgrade ?
[02:09] <eyequeue> xerxas:  first, i think your /etc/X11/X symlink needs changing, but i had troubles past that too
[02:09] <xerxas> eyequeue:  so I did :)
[02:09] <xerxas> I relinked it correctly also
[02:09] <xerxas> ...
[02:09] <xerxas> but then I have a strange error at X launch
[02:09] <xerxas> the same you have I suppose
[02:10] <xerxas> "Caught Signal 11"
[02:10] <Hoxzer> inemo: hi
[02:10] <xerxas> eyequeue:  how did you downgrade ?
[02:10] <inemo> hows life Hoxzer ?
[02:10] <golgor> anyone know how to install vlc?
[02:10] <eyequeue> xerxas:  well, i used sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/*_6.8.2-33_*.deb
[02:11] <xerxas> eyequeue:  humm
[02:11] <xerxas> hope I didn't apg-get clean :)
[02:11] <Hoxzer> inemo: booring :<
[02:11] <inemo> haha
[02:11] <eyequeue> xerxas:  and i had to force some things between xlibs-data and libx11-6
[02:12] <Hoxzer> and im  irritated becouse my mom shutdowned my shell server and I can't acces to qnet :
[02:12] <xerxas> yep
[02:12] <xerxas> seems clear
[02:12] <xerxas> that's all what it's about I think so
[02:13] <Hoxzer> also yesterday I lost all my important files becouse I tryed to repair winXP install :D
[02:13] <Hoxzer> well at least I find out when WinXP betray you dont trust it anymore
[02:13] <xerxas> eyequeue:  did you reverted the link ?
[02:13] <neospy> golgor: I am pretty sure you can install through synaptic
[02:14] <Hoxzer> *found  and betrays even
[02:14] <eyequeue> xerxas:  yes
[02:15] <xerxas> seems to work with libX11-6 and the link not reverted :)
[02:15] <eyequeue> xerxas:  about 4 times during my experiments, heh
[02:15] <xerxas> humm
[02:15] <xerxas> then i doesn't anymore ?
[02:16] <xerxas> because of shared memory  ?
[02:18] <xerxas> eyequeue:  you forced the removal of libx11-6 ?
[02:18] <neospy> gologor:  It does work i just installed VLC
[02:19] <eyequeue> xerxas:  well, the previous version didn't have the versioned depends (per examining its changelog.Debian) so i reverted to that one
[02:21] <xerxas> humm
[02:21] <eyequeue> xerxas:  adding to the confusion, there's a new x-common package that i think changes some symlinks (such as /usr/bin/X11 to ..)
[02:21] <xerxas> don't really understand
[02:21] <xerxas> but now , i can't dpkg -i xlibs-data cause it conflicts with libx11-6
[02:21] <xerxas> but can't dpkg -r libx11-6 because too much things depends on it
[02:22] <xerxas> did you force the removal ?
[02:22] <eyequeue> xerxas:  if you did, i might have you fix x for us :) (i think only the devs understand x today, and even then i have my doubts)
[02:22] <xerxas> without deps ?
[02:22] <hac> How Can I disable the beep in the terminal?
[02:22] <eyequeue> xerxas:  no, i forced a downgrade via dpkg -i again
[02:23] <xerxas> k
[02:23] <xerxas> thanks
[02:23] <eyequeue> hac:  ^A^G if under screen(1)
[02:23] <Suepahfly> is there an _easy_ way to get all the buttons of my mx1000 working?
[02:23] <genbie> Hi, anyone knows if I can easily upgrade a remote Sarge server to Ubuntu?
[02:23] <xerxas> hac:  in /etc/inputrc
[02:23] <xerxas> set bell-style visual
[02:23] <xerxas> or
[02:23] <xerxas> set bell-style none
[02:24] <xerxas> visual make a white flicker on the screen instead of beeps
[02:25] <hac> xerxas, I tried but i back to the beep,its horrible :/
[02:26] <xunil_> samuelk@Linux-Computer:~/Themes/Window deco/baghira-0.6c$ makecd . && make -f admin/Makefile.common configure.in ;make[1] : Entering directory `/home/samuelk/Themes/Window deco/baghira-0.6c'
[02:26] <xunil_> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/samuelk/Themes/Window deco/baghira-0.6c'cd . && aclocal-1.6/bin/sh: aclocal-1.6: command not foundmake: *** [aclocal.m4]  Error 127
[02:26] <xunil_> how do i fix that error?
[02:26] <xerxas> hac:  ?
[02:26] <xunil_> i have aclocal-1.4
[02:26] <xerxas> eyequeue:  humm , don't seem to be able to downgrade
[02:26] <xerxas> am I stupid ?
[02:26] <eyequeue> xerxas:  no, i think i had to force some things manually
[02:27] <xerxas> eyequeue:  k
[02:29] <xunil_> how do i link the aclocal command to aclocal-1.6?
[02:30] <bulletproof> hey, guys I have asked this before but the answer I got didn't work! how do I permanently change the path for any user who logs on to the machine
[02:30] <bulletproof> ?
[02:32] <bulletproof> hey, guys I have asked this before but the answer I got didn't work! how do I permanently change the path for any user who logs on to the machine
[02:35] <bulletproof> any1 talking today?
[02:38] <neospy> @ bulletproof i dont know the answer to your problem
[02:39] <neospy> but plenty of people were talking before you showed up......
[02:42] <itz> How can i change resolution or hz to login screen?   everytime im comming to loginscreen my monitor doesnt feel to good. its not made for that high resulotion with 75hz
[02:42] <no_gatez_fan> bulletproof just home directory or what
[02:42] <xunil_> how do i kill X?
[02:42] <inemo> going to college now...bye :D
[02:42] <bcc|grave> itz, you should change the resolution in your xorg.conf
[02:42] <itz> bcc|grave,  k i try
[02:43] <bulletproof> no_gatez_fan: no ineed to add jdk/bin
[02:43] <bulletproof> no_gatez_fan: normally on other distros it would just go in bas_profile but that don't work
[02:43] <xunil_> how do i kill X?
[02:44] <bcc|grave> itz, don't forget to backup first ;)
[02:44] <tvo> xunil_: ctrl+alt+backspace restarts it if that's what you mean
[02:44] <itz> xorg.conf's location is?
[02:44] <bulletproof> no_gatez_fan: bashrc seems to have done it - thanks anyhow
[02:44] <xunil_> no i whant to kill it so i can install my nvidia driver
[02:44] <xunil_> but cant find x in ps aux
[02:45] <Tsukasa> xunil_, you can simply log off
[02:45] <Tsukasa> or kill gdm
[02:45] <xunil_> k
[02:45] <no_gatez_fan> bulletproof ok good...sorry i was trying to get shorewall turned on
[02:45] <no_gatez_fan> any ideas anyone
[02:45] <no_gatez_fan> ?
[02:46] <lhb> !shorewall
[02:46] <ubotu> lhb: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[02:47] <itz> bcc|grave,  etc.x11 is that the one
[02:47] <no_gatez_fan> i want to get shorewall running... :(
[02:48] <nameless1_> a friend of mine is tryin to install ubuntu but he needs to setup his lan driver and he installed ndiswrapper 1.2    and he needs a kernel module thing for it to work can someone tell me the exact apt-get  so that i can just tell him. as he is not here in person im chatin to him over msn
[02:48] <nameless1_> (he has 2 comps thats how im chatin to him)
[02:49] <Originoo> hey, where i can find the kernel-sources in ubuntu?
[02:49] <deltron> i think it's called linux-source
[02:50] <deltron> just like linux-image
[02:50] <Originoo> deltron: thx
[02:50] <deltron> np
[02:50] <ja> hi.when i'm closing synaptic i have little windows :changing user PLEASE ENTER YOUR PASSWORD.why i have this window ?
[02:51] <bulletproof> You know in windows you can change the host file which acts like a local DNS so that certain domain names can be mapped to IPs - can I do a similar thing in linux/ubuntu - or firefox
[02:51] <djp> does anyone know if gnusound is better than audacity? i gather gnusound is the default sound ediotr in ubuntu?
[02:52] <bulletproof> Originoo: is there not a repository for them?
[02:52] <bulletproof> Originoo: nevamind ur sorted now
[02:59] <acid2_> oh sweet!
[02:59] <acid2_> an ardour package!
[02:59] <acid2_> :)
[03:01] <ateves> hi, is there something like the KDE personal information manager for gnome?
[03:01] <Scroopy> im a noob, please be kind
[03:04] <bulletproof> You know in windows you can change the host file which acts like a local DNS so that certain domain names can be mapped to IPs - can I do a similar thing in linux/ubuntu - or firefox
[03:04] <jansen> i had some problem
[03:04] <Scroopy> hey people, i have just installed ubuntu literally 20mins ago and it smy first linux OS
[03:05] <spamalope> yup
[03:05] <Scroopy> i am just wondering how to hook up my 2 250GB hdds
[03:05] <Poromies> congrats Scroopy
[03:05] <Scroopy> so i can access the file son them
[03:06] <jansen> W: GPG error: when i apt-get update
[03:06] <deltron> Scroopy: congrats.  you need to mount the drives now.
[03:07] <Scroopy> how?
[03:08] <Scroopy> how i mount hdds
[03:08] <Whistler> www.ubuntuguide.org
[03:09] <golgor> can anyone tell me how to install packages i've downloaded to home/$user?
[03:09] <Tsukasa> golgor, deb packages can be installed by sudo dpkg -i <packetname>
[03:09] <bulletproof> golgor: are they .tar.gz
[03:09] <Scroopy> guess i wont mount them then
[03:09] <golgor> no, .deb
[03:11] <plovs> I want to create a meta-package that pulls another package and then overwrites the conf-files in etc. I use "Replaces: <packagename>", but still get a complaint: trying to overwrite `/etc/tinyp etc
[03:11] <plovs> what is wrong?
[03:11] <djp> Scroopy: try here... http://learn.clemsonlinux.org/wiki/Mounting_drives
[03:12] <Scroopy> thanks
[03:13] <Scroopy> this is all too friggin confusing
[03:14] <Scroopy> :'(
[03:18] <Whistler> can anybody recomend any linux rpg game?
[03:19] <bulletproof> got a problem, firefox has stopped working ever since I tried to install the newer version using aptget, I can't install it, and I can't remove it coz it says its not installed
[03:19] <Trace> Hello, Does anyone here know how ubuntu do its hardware detection?
[03:20] <acid2_> what program can I use to record my desktop to a flash file/video?
[03:20] <PBeck> hi
[03:20] <bulletproof> whistler: use zsnes and play all the old snes ones : zelda, lufia, chrono trigger they're all awesome
[03:21] <Whistler> i wanna new games
[03:21] <Whistler> :)
[03:23] <bulletproof> whistler: http://www.linuxlinks.com/Software/Games/Role_Play/index.shtml can't say I have played any of them though
[03:23] <wdh> anyone knows of a plugin for gaim that allows one to send offline messages on MSN? Meaning that it keeps the message in queue and sends it when that person comes online?
[03:25] <acid2_> wdh, not that I know of, sorry
[03:26] <wdh> guess i should get back to centericq then :P
[03:26] <samuelk> how do i gett kernel-sourcE?
[03:27] <wdh> samuelk, sudo apt-get install linux-source iirc
[03:28] <luzbelito> hi to everyone
[03:28] <Whistler> hi
[03:28] <wdh> samuelk, and use apt-cache search linux-source to find the correct versionnumber
[03:28] <bulletproof> firefox is broken and I can't reinstall it with either apt-get or by dloading the package from mozilla.org
[03:28] <luzbelito> i need to make a question: i had installed ubuntu in a partition and windows in another one
[03:28] <luzbelito> can i format windows without cleaning MBR (master boot record)
[03:28] <luzbelito> ???
[03:29] <luzbelito> anyone?
[03:30] <paulfox> hey all, i don't suppose anyone has experience with a d-link wireless bridge? (DWL 810+) i've configured it, but can't get any signal from it at all
[03:31] <samuelk> it says i already have it but the nvidia says they cant find the kernel-source tree i could use the --kernel-source-path if i knew there to point to..
[03:32] <luzbelito> samuel: i had the same problem
[03:32] <jamey3> What are the best Ubuntu resources? So far I've found only the official Wiki useful.
[03:32] <samuelk> how did you fix it=
[03:32] <samuelk> ?
[03:32] <luzbelito> samuel: is not a package i suppose. because i looked it but no answer
[03:32] <poningru> jamey3: this channel
[03:32] <luzbelito> samuel: i can't fixed it yet
[03:32] <poningru> jamey3: the forum
[03:33] <poningru> and there is the docs
[03:33] <poningru> oh also ubuntuguide.org
[03:33] <jamey3> poningru, for some reason I completely overlooked ubuntuforums.org
[03:33] <samuelk> k
[03:33] <Whistler> how can i install sdl?
[03:33] <jamey3> ubuntuguide.org "apparently" isn't as good as the Wiki
[03:33] <jamey3> Where are the docs?
[03:33] <poningru> hold on
[03:33] <jamey3> ok thanks
[03:33] <samuelk> any one know where the kernel-source tree are?
[03:34] <Whistler> anybody knows how can i install sdl?
[03:34] <poningru> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/
[03:34] <jamey3> poningru, thanks a lot
[03:34] <moea> i am trying to run "apt-get update" on the ubuntu live-cd, but i'm getting an error - assertion failed: lower file != NULL...'
[03:34] <luzbelito> moea: did you check sources.list ?
[03:36] <samuelk> do ubuntu use kernel or linux ?
[03:39] <klaym> samuelk: ?!
[03:39] <klaym> ubuntu uses the linux kernel
[03:39] <samuelk> http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[03:40] <moea> luzbelito: where does sources.list live?
[03:40] <samuelk> hoto..
[03:40] <alchemist0405> moea, /etc/apt/
[03:40] <luzbelito> /etc/apt
[03:41] <luzbelito> thanks alchemist
[03:41] <moea> im not sure whats wrong with it though, it has three lines, acthive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu, and two people.ubuntu.com/~lamont lines
[03:41] <alchemist0405> luzbelito, np
[03:42] <luzbelito> moea
[03:42] <JHK> hi there, i want a file including a console command that i can execute in nautilus. how?
[03:42] <luzbelito> wait a minute
[03:43] <luzbelito> moea
[03:43] <luzbelito> are you connected to internet with linux?
[03:44] <moea> im on freebsd now, but the livecd machine is on the internet
[03:44] <luzbelito> ok
[03:44] <luzbelito> take a look
[03:44] <luzbelito> if you has a line like this: root@lenin:/etc/apt # more sources.list
[03:44] <luzbelito> deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)] / hoary main restricted
[03:45] <moea> all of the lines are URLs in my sources.list
[03:45] <James686> luzbelito I need help installing Ubuntu
[03:45] <alchemist0405> can grub be reinstalled from install cd or does that have to happen from the livecd?
[03:46] <luzbelito> ok james just ask
[03:46] <luzbelito> moea
[03:46] <luzbelito> moea: if you wanna to install from live cd
[03:46] <luzbelito> or cd
[03:46] <luzbelito> you need a line that says: deb cdrom
[03:46] <JDigital`> Where is the Trash can located in the filesystem-- oh I found it, never mind
[03:47] <moea> i dont, i want to install a package from the internet
[03:47] <moea> i have lost the install CD, i'm trying to install ubuntu from the live CD
[03:47] <James686> well I just copied the files to a blank CD, I insert it in my primary CD drive, and I did set it to be used first on reboot, but it doesnt go anywhere...
[03:47] <jpfarias_> hi
[03:47] <James686> either I just wasted a blank CD or Im doin somethin wrong...
[03:48] <jpfarias_> can someone help me to setup my keyboard
[03:48] <luzbelito> james: check your BIOS booting preferences
[03:48] <James686> I did
[03:48] <samuelk> how do i mount a *.iso file in shell?
[03:48] <luzbelito> moea: make a ping -c to url
[03:48] <jpfarias_> on my keyboard,  the question sign is AltGr+W
[03:48] <James686> what else should I change in my boot settings?
[03:48] <jpfarias_> but it does not appear when I press it
[03:48] <Trace> hello, samuelk, mount -o loop *.iso "a dircetory you create"
[03:49] <luzbelito> james: check booting preferences
[03:50] <James686> fine I will, I'll return
[03:50] <luzbelito> james: wich device boots 1st, 2nd
[03:50] <James686> yeah
[03:50] <James686> CD boots first
[03:50] <luzbelito> james: so cd is not well burned
[03:51] <GrayStone> Hello everyone.
[03:51] <James686> what did I do wrong???
[03:51] <luzbelito> hi gray
[03:51] <luzbelito> james: did you download .iso image?
[03:51] <GrayStone> How do I find out what the password is for SU mode in my install of Ubuntu?
[03:51] <terra1> hey guys
[03:51] <James686> I just copied the files directly from the folder
[03:51] <GrayStone> Hi Luzbelito.
[03:51] <terra1> GrayStone, it's hard to find out but just do a sudo as a normal user and enter that user's password, then do an passwd and set the password on your own
[03:52] <James686> wait, did it matter if I just downloaded it w/ out saving it and I just extracted the files?
[03:53] <luzbelito> james: download iso image from www.ubuntu.com and burn it like image cd (nero)
[03:53] <James686> wouldnt the .iso image come w/ the installation package?
[03:53] <Trinitrogen> How can I get curses.h?
[03:53] <luzbelito> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/
[03:53] <luzbelito> sorry that is the web
[03:54] <luzbelito> james: check it in the folder, look for .iso files
[03:54] <GrayStone> Thanks terra1.  But that seems totally greek to me. LOL
[03:54] <terra1> ok GrayStone sorry ;)
[03:54] <GrayStone> I am Totally new at Linux.
[03:54] <terra1> yes ok sorry ;)
[03:54] <terra1> open a terminal
[03:54] <James686> I created a boot.iso image to it using MagicISO
[03:54] <GrayStone> ok
[03:55] <luzbelito> james: where you download it ?
[03:55] <acid2_> lo
[03:55] <James686> MagicISO?
[03:55] <terra1> GrayStone, now enter "sudo bash"
[03:55] <James686> I dont really remember the link lol
[03:55] <luzbelito> james: use this http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/5.04/ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso
[03:55] <GrayStone> ok
[03:55] <terra1> oh fuck
[03:55] <terra1> graystone iam sorry
[03:55] <terra1> i read your question the wrong way
[03:55] <terra1> the SU password is just your first user's password
[03:56] <acid2_> "/dev/hdb5	/mnt/windows	ntfs	defaults,user	0	0" Is that the correct entry in fstab to automount my windows partition?
[03:56] <James686> luzbelito, thats the folder I extracted..
[03:56] <luzbelito> james: but you must dont extract it, burn it to cd
[03:57] <jpfarias_> someone help me with my keyboard
[03:57] <jpfarias_> please
[03:57] <James686> I cant extract it then burn the files I extract to a CD?
[03:57] <acid2_> jpfarias_, looks fine to me
[03:57] <jpfarias_> I need to setup altgr key
[03:57] <luzbelito> james: no, burn 1st
[03:57] <James686> ahhh I see
[03:57] <James686> whats the difference?
[03:57] <jpfarias_> acid2_, the question sign is altgr + w
[03:57] <luzbelito> acid: wich permissions you want?
[03:57] <James686> doesnt it extract EVERY file in the folder?
[03:58] <jpfarias_> acid2_, I can't type any question mark right now
[03:58] <MattF> Travis here?
[03:58] <samuelk> any one have a cd key for ut2004?
[03:58] <samuelk> dont have wine installed
[03:58] <Seveas> samuelk, wrong channel...
[03:58] <jpfarias_> acid2_, this is the key I miss most
[03:58] <acid2_> samuelk, take your warez elsewhere
[03:58] <samuelk> k sorry.
[03:58] <luzbelito> james: is a big difference
[03:59] <jpfarias_> acid2_, is there a way to make only it work
[03:59] <James686> how?
[03:59] <acid2_> how do I know?
[03:59] <acid2_> All I said is that it looked fine to me
[03:59] <James686> so right now I have to re-download the OS, but save it to my desktop instead of just opening it, right?
[04:00] <luzbelito> james: if you download a iso file, keep it in a directory. then burn to cd
[04:00] <James686> Is Ubuntu really worth the download?
[04:00] <aCiD2> hell yea
[04:01] <James686> lol Im sure its slick
[04:01] <James686> can you play PC games on it?
[04:01] <Seveas> some
[04:01] <aCiD2> some
[04:01] <James686> lol
[04:01] <aCiD2> which games you want to play?
[04:01] <Seveas> cedega is good at playing games
[04:01] <James686> Sims 2?
[04:01] <GrayStone> BRB everyone.
[04:02] <aCiD2> James686, you the one that posted on the ubuntuforums?
[04:02] <aCiD2> :P
[04:02] <James686> ummm no lol
[04:02] <James686> I never posted there yet
[04:02] <James686> why?
[04:02] <aCiD2> ah, someone else wanted to run sim 2
[04:02] <aCiD2> sims2
[04:02] <James686> oh so you cant?
[04:02] <aCiD2> anyway, I think Cedega is capable of running it
[04:02] <luzbelito> i don't think ubuntu can run sims 2
[04:02] <Seveas> http://transgaming.org/gamesdb/
[04:03] <Seveas> check that
[04:03] <James686> that sucks that you need to download a program to get to install a game...
[04:03] <Tsukasa> well James686, that goes without saying
[04:03] <aCiD2> not really..
[04:03] <jamey3> James686, most things suck
[04:03] <Tsukasa> windows != linux
[04:03] <aCiD2> bare in mind that the Sims 2 wasnt even developed for Linux
[04:03] <Tsukasa> so you shouldn't exspect for linux to run every windows app
[04:03] <aCiD2> and yea, what Tsukasa said
[04:03] <James686> that IS true
[04:04] <jamey3> if you want more native Linux games, go complain to EA
[04:04] <aCiD2> infact, you shouldnt expect it to run any (and you should find alternatives)
[04:04] <aCiD2> jamey3, hehe :)
[04:04] <luzbelito> stop playing sims 2 and use yout time for any better ;-)
[04:04] <Tsukasa> yeah, wine is great, even though all of us complain a bit :)
[04:04] <aCiD2> I was going to suggest finding a REAL game ;)
[04:04] <Seveas> like sims 3 :)
[04:04] <James686> I actually dont play it much I was just wonderin if it plays that lol
[04:05] <James686> and I dont even have to worry about it since that game is comin out for all consoles, w/ even more features
[04:05] <James686> even Half-Life 2 is comin out for Xbox
[04:05] <James686> which will probably suck...
[04:05] <aCiD2> :/
[04:05] <Tsukasa> Half Life 2 is a game that runs nice on cedega ^^
[04:05] <aCiD2> Yep
[04:05] <James686> is it?
[04:06] <Tsukasa> hell yeah
[04:06] <Tsukasa> :D
[04:06] <samuelk> MUD roxx..
[04:06] <aCiD2> hehe
[04:06] <aCiD2> :)
[04:06] <James686> lol better than Windows? lol
[04:06] <Tsukasa> nah, not better
[04:06] <aCiD2> about the same with an nVidia card
[04:06] <Tsukasa> but surprisingly not worse
[04:06] <Tsukasa> well, not _much_ worse
[04:06] <aCiD2> basically, its not noceiably worse
[04:06] <aCiD2> noticably too
[04:06] <jamey3> Tsukasa, it always sucked on Cedega for me.  ;) Sorry about my complete ignorance...
[04:07] <Tsukasa> that's definetively true
[04:08] <Tsukasa> the ati drivers are like a punishment
[04:08] <Originoo> which packages do i need to install, if i wain to use other lenguages with gnome?
[04:08] <aCiD2> jamey3, calm down man.. all i wandered was if you had hardware accel on linux :/
[04:08] <Originoo> wain=want
[04:08] <James686> II have a question, being that Ubuntu is completely free and open source, is it better than Windows?
[04:09] <aCiD2> yes
[04:09] <aCiD2> well
[04:09] <aCiD2> its down to opinion
[04:09] <aCiD2> but
[04:09] <aCiD2> yes
[04:09] <aCiD2> :P
[04:09] <jamey3> yes it is
[04:09] <jamey3> :P
[04:09] <jamey3> much
[04:09] <James686> LOL
[04:09] <jamey3> much better
[04:09] <aCiD2> i personally think much better
[04:09] <moparfan90> whats Broadband ADSL/PPPoE Client
[04:09] <jamey3> well we are all in agreement then
[04:09] <Seveas> James686, technically Linux is superior to windows
[04:09] <James686> I already wasted 2 CDs on trying to install it :-(
[04:09] <jamey3> any M$ monkeys around here?
[04:09] <Tsukasa> Let's say it this way: For desktop and multimedia its equal to windows
[04:09] <aCiD2> im a .NET whore
[04:09] <Seveas> and with Ubuntu, Linux finally is usable
[04:09] <Seveas> aCiD2, mono :)
[04:10] <aCiD2> duh
[04:10] <aCiD2> thats what im using
[04:10] <moparfan90> hello. whats "Broadband ADSL/PPPoE Client"
[04:10] <jamey3> Tsukasa, I would tend to disagree
[04:10] <Seveas> moparfan90, pppoeconf
[04:10] <jamey3> with a bit of perserverance you can get all multimedia codecs to work
[04:10] <jamey3> games is the obvious bummer
[04:10] <jamey3> but for people who don't play games, it's excellent
[04:10] <moparfan90> whats that mean?
[04:10] <Seveas> but that's not Linux' fault
[04:10] <jamey3> Seveas, exactly
[04:10] <aCiD2> im a game developer and find it just as powerful for games
[04:10] <jamey3> just stupid non-free stuff
[04:10] <Tsukasa> jamey3, that's what I wanted to express :)
[04:10] <Seveas> moparfan90, that's the command to configure pppoe/adsl
[04:10] <James686> and Im not MUCH of a gamer...so Im aight
[04:11] <jamey3> aCiD2, now we just need more native Linux games
[04:11] <aCiD2> jamey3, amen
[04:11] <jamey3> Tsukasa, cool :P
[04:11] <Seveas> supertux & frozen bubble is enough for me
[04:11] <jamey3> James686, same here :D
[04:11] <aCiD2> frozen bubble \o/
[04:11] <jamey3> Seveas, lol I love those games
[04:11] <jmjones> bzflag
[04:11] <jmjones> you gotta play bzflag
[04:11] <Seveas> jamey3, found the secret place already?
[04:11] <moparfan90> seveas: what does the progrm do. im confused
[04:11] <James686> I'll deal w/ the games that comes w/ Ubuntu :d
[04:11] <James686> :-)
[04:12] <James686> Doom 3 for Ubuntu?
[04:12] <Seveas> moparfan90, you can configure all your pppoe settings with it
[04:12] <moparfan90> o
[04:12] <jmjones> just installed and tried unreal tournament 2004 demo - it seems to work OK
[04:12] <Tsukasa> James686, there's an official client for linux
[04:12] <Tsukasa> by idsoft
[04:12] <aCiD2> Neverwinter nights!
[04:12] <jmjones> with the newer ati drivers
[04:12] <Shuddertrix> James686: There's a official linux client, works wonderfully.
[04:12] <James686> REALLY
[04:12] <aCiD2> yup
[04:12] <jmjones> the fglrx drivers in hoary are busted
[04:12] <aCiD2> and an official ut2k4
[04:12] <James686> awesome, most powerful game ever, supports Linux
[04:12] <Shuddertrix> Also, unreal tournament 2k3/2k4, etc.
[04:12] <Tsukasa> yeah, and there's RtcW:ET as well :)
[04:13] <James686> thats too cool
[04:13] <aCiD2> jmjones, no, they aren't
[04:13] <jmjones> they don't work right for my video card
[04:13] <aCiD2> well, ive got it all working anyway
[04:13] <jmjones> i had to install the latest from ati
[04:13] <James686> I wonder how Doom 3 would run on Ubuntu...
[04:13] <moparfan90> anyone have doom3 linux
[04:13] <jmjones> i've got the x300 mobility
[04:13] <aCiD2> James686, not baddly
[04:13] <Tsukasa> yeah, I've Doom 3 installed
[04:13] <aCiD2> infact, about the same id guess
[04:13] <Shuddertrix> James686: It runs just as well on Linux.
[04:13] <James686> bet you need 1 gig of RAM huh?
[04:13] <aCiD2> (no reason why it shouldnt)
[04:13] <Tsukasa> I've a little issue with sound though
[04:14] <samuelk> how do i download wine
[04:14] <jmjones> now that i have UT installed and working, my wife will *never* see me :-)
[04:14] <Shuddertrix> I have 512mb and it gets around 20-30fps at my regular settings, which is good enough since i'm used to playing at 10fps in most games with my older systems i've had.
[04:14] <James686> does Ubuntu really come w/ Firefox and Thunderbird preinstalled?
[04:14] <Seveas> yes James686
[04:14] <Seveas> well, ff
[04:14] <Seveas> not tb
[04:14] <James686> NICE
[04:14] <Shuddertrix> Tested it with 1gb, never went below 35fps
[04:14] <James686> I thought it does!
[04:15] <Seveas> Ubuntu has evolution by default
[04:15] <golgor> anyone know how to get the sound to work with nforce 2?
[04:15] <Seveas> but thunderbird is exremely easy to install :)
[04:15] <jamey3> James686, it doesn't come with Thunderbird but it's easily installed through the package manager or apt-get
[04:15] <jamey3> oops sorry didn't see that ^^ :P
[04:15] <James686> yeah but I looked at screenshots and it showed this one popup menu that lets you choose those things to install plus OpenOffice
[04:15] <Shuddertrix> Thunderbird? Pfft. Sylpheed is all you need.
[04:16] <James686> same here lol
[04:16] <jmjones> sylpheed is nice - not as pretty as thunderbird, but AFAIK, you can't manage multiple profiles with it.
[04:16] <jmjones> if you can, please tell me and i'll likely switch.
[04:16] <jamey3> jmjones, manage multiple profiles with Thunderbird or Sylpheed?
[04:16] <jmjones> sylpheed
[04:16] <Shuddertrix> Who really needs more then one email address, anyways?
[04:16] <golgor> anyone know how alien works, installing rpm packages
[04:16] <jmjones> tbird does
[04:16] <Shuddertrix> :P
[04:16] <jamey3> jmjones oh
[04:16] <jamey3> no idea :P
[04:17] <jamey3> Shuddertrix, my thoughts exactly
[04:17] <jmjones> it's not just email address - it's when i'm on my lan, i want to connect to my server direct.  when i'm at work, i want to connect a different way
[04:17] <aCiD2> does that slypheed thing have rss?
[04:17] <Mystery> i need some help with the sound in ubuntu
[04:17] <Mystery> it doesn't seem to work
[04:18] <Mystery> i'm using a ectiva audio card
[04:18] <James686> oh, is it easy to install a wireless network from a Linksys wireless router on Ubuntu?
[04:18] <Mystery> can anyone help? please?
[04:18] <Trace> hello, Mystery, which sound driver do you use?
[04:18] <Shuddertrix> aCiD2: I don't think so. I have one email address (that uses pop/imap) and no need for rss, so it's perfect for me.
[04:18] <mwe> golgor, alien is supposed to convert the rpm to a deb isn't it
[04:18] <aCiD2> Shuddertrix, ah
[04:18] <Shuddertrix> I get the gtk fonts fixed, and it will replace mozilla-mail for me.
[04:18] <golgor> yea mve, but i dont know how it works
[04:18] <Tsukasa> James686, wifi + linux can be pretty tough sometimes :)
[04:19] <mwe> golgor, at least that's how I've used it
[04:19] <golgor> i found the packages with drivers for my nf2 but its in rpm
[04:19] <Mystery> trace, it
[04:19] <James686> shit for real...
[04:19] <jmjones> gtkwifi
[04:19] <Trace> what?
[04:19] <Mystery> *it's
[04:19] <James686> I HAVE to have that installed
[04:19] <mwe> golgor, then use alien to convert it to a deb then dpkg -i to install it
[04:19] <jmjones> if you're doing wireless, you need gtkwifi
[04:19] <James686> how will I be able to install the wireless network card when its installed?
[04:19] <jmjones> it rocks
[04:19] <golgor> yea but how mve :P
[04:19] <Mystery> i'm not sure about the driver
[04:19] <golgor> im new to this
[04:19] <Seveas> James686, do you know which chipset your wifi card uses?
[04:19] <jmjones> James686: is this on a laptop?
[04:19] <James686> how can I get it w/ out the internet?
[04:20] <James686> no Desktop
[04:20] <Trace> ok, do you use Ubuntu?
[04:20] <James686> Im going to
[04:20] <Mystery> yes, otherwise i wouldn't be here
[04:20] <Trace> sudo alasaconf
[04:20] <Seveas> James686, you will probably need ndiswrapper
[04:20] <yahalom> how do i find out what my gateway ip is?
[04:20] <Seveas> yahalom, route
[04:20] <James686> how will I get it?
[04:20] <Trace> do you have alsaconf?
[04:20] <Seveas> James686, it's on the cd
[04:21] <James686> its gonna be easier to read the CD once I have Ubuntu? lol
[04:21] <jmjones> has anyone grabbed video off of a camcorder via firewire?
[04:21] <Mystery> trace, alsamixer is only thing i can find
[04:21] <yahalom> Seveas, I'm trying to see my routers firmware. Any ideas?
[04:21] <Mystery> i'm a sorter noob to ubuntu, so you might need to explain a bit more
[04:21] <Mystery> srry
[04:21] <Trace> ok, apt-cache search alsaconf and apt-get install alsaconf
[04:22] <Trace> first, can you open an terminal?
[04:22] <Mystery> trace, not that much of a noob :P
[04:22] <Trace> and then, apt-cache search alsaconf
[04:23] <Mystery> comes up with "alsa-utils - ALSA utilities"
[04:23] <Trace> and then , you may install alsaconf, sudo apt-get install alsaconf
[04:23] <James686> ok when the Ubuntu program finishes installing, will I have to install the files only? or the folder of them?
[04:23] <djp> jmjones: kino?
[04:24] <Mystery> done
[04:24] <Mystery> now what?
[04:24] <Trace> and try to run "sudo alsaconf"
[04:24] <jmjones> djp: yeah - i'm doing it - just wondered if anyone has had problems.  i had to chmod my /dev/raw1394
[04:24] <Mystery> command not found :S
[04:25] <Trace> whereis alsaconf
[04:25] <Trace> type command "whereis alsaconf"
[04:25] <djp> jmjones: oh ok. sorry don't have firewire and never used kino. good luck.
[04:25] <Mystery> nowhere
[04:25] <Mystery> lol
[04:25] <Mystery> doesn't come up with a directory
[04:25] <bulletproof> can someone help me! PLEASE I seem to have broken mozilla and firefox and can't reinstall them coz of dependency problems!!
[04:25] <aCiD2> bulletproof, calm down
[04:25] <jmjones> bulletproof: you need mutt and links
[04:26] <bulletproof> aCiD2: I'm pretty calm thanks :)
[04:26] <Trace> dpkg -L |grep alsa-utils
[04:26] <yahalom> my gateway only shows a * how do i find out what the ip is?
[04:26] <Trace> dpkg -L alsa-utils |grep alsaconf
[04:26] <Trace> sorry
[04:26] <Mystery> oh right
[04:26] <Mystery> install it first
[04:26] <blazint> t
[04:27] <Trace> can you see where alsaconf is?
[04:27] <bulletproof> jmjones: isn't that like getright - I have the gunzip for firefox from mozilla.org but that won't install either
[04:27] <bulletproof> jmjones: correction wget
[04:27] <jmjones> bulletproof: are you trying to install packages, or binaries from mozilla?
[04:28] <Mystery> done....i think
[04:28] <Mystery> it didn't show any progress or anything
[04:28] <bulletproof> jmjones: I was apt-getting orginally but when that didn't work I grabbed the bin for firefox from mozilla.org
[04:28] <Trace> sudo alsaconf?
[04:28] <Mystery> nope, nothing :
[04:29] <Trace> ......
[04:29] <Mystery> maybe i should install it from synaptic?
[04:29] <jmjones> bulletproof: what error are you getting when apt-getting?
[04:29] <bulletproof> firefox-gnome-support depends on firefox (= 1.0.4-1ubuntu3~5.04ubp5); however:
[04:29] <bulletproof>   Package firefox is not configured yet.
[04:29] <Trace> Good luck, i may not be able to help you .:-(
[04:30] <Mystery> fuck
[04:30] <luzbelito> wich one is the best movie player for linux ????
[04:30] <Shuddertrix> bulletproof: try mozilla-firefox
[04:30] <jmjones> luzbelito: xine
[04:30] <mwe> mplayer
[04:30] <Shuddertrix> luzbelito: Personal choice, that is.
[04:30] <Mystery> also
[04:30] <Mystery> i'm not sure
[04:30] <Mystery> if this will help you help me
[04:30] <cazabam> luzbelito, vlc :)
[04:30] <Shuddertrix> Xine, mplayer, gstreamer, vlc, realplay, etc.
[04:30] <Mystery> but, totem comes up with an error saying it has no plugin for wav or mp3 or any other format
[04:30] <bulletproof> jmjones: same err
[04:30] <cazabam> just to chuck another one in
[04:31] <Mystery> i have xine installed
[04:31] <aCiD2> luzbelito, I prefer xine
[04:31] <bulletproof> Shuddertrix: same err
[04:31] <Shuddertrix> hmm
[04:31] <cazabam> Mystery, sounds like your gstreamer registry is corrupt
[04:31] <cazabam> type gst-register-0.8 at a command prompt
[04:31] <Shuddertrix> comment out backports, sudo apt-get update, then try again
[04:31] <Mystery> i use xine not gstreamer
[04:31] <James686> now when I download the .iso image of Ubuntu, do I need a program to open up the file to see the files in it and then burn it to CD?
[04:31] <jmjones> Mystery: you need libdvdcss and w32codecs
[04:32] <jmjones> you can't get them in the main repos
[04:32] <James686> or do I just copy the file to the CD?
[04:32] <jmjones> bulletproof: what did you do around the time/before you couldn't upgrade/install?
[04:33] <Mystery> if ubuntu doesn
[04:33] <James686> plz I need to know this I already screwed up 2 CDs
[04:33] <Mystery> fucking small keyboard
[04:33] <Shuddertrix> James686: You have to burn the .iso with a program that can open it (windows: alcohol 120, nero, linux: gnomebaker, k3b, etc.)
[04:33] <Mystery> if ubuntu doesn't recognize the sound card, how do i manual set it up?'
[04:33] <James686> do I need to get a program to open the .iso file?
[04:34] <James686> will Alcohol 52% do?
[04:34] <Shuddertrix> James686: If it's the one that burns and not mounts, then yeah, that will work
[04:34] <bulletproof> jmjones: well orginally I tried to update firefox to version 1.04 but it stopped working - then i installed mozilla. I tried to reinstall firefox but I got errors as it said it couldn't overrite some firefox files from my previous installation. So I manualy dleted them and then mozilla stopped working too and I still couldn't install firefx :(
[04:35] <jmjones> bulletproof: what do you mean manually deleted?
[04:36] <bulletproof> I manually rm'ed the files it couldn't overwrite from the command line - I'm starting to regret that now
[04:36] <Rocha> Hello
[04:36] <Rocha> I'm trying to install a network printer
[04:36] <Rocha> How can I know if it uses SMB or CUPS ?
[04:36] <jmjones> bulletproof: yeah - manually deleting package files is a headache.
[04:37] <jmjones> Rocha: is it your printer, or at work?
[04:37] <Rocha> jmjones, at work
[04:37] <virtuald> bulletproof: try apt-get --reinstall install <package>
[04:37] <Mystery> so there's no help :(
[04:37] <jmjones> Rocha: can you ask the sysadmin or the person it belongs to?
[04:37] <Mystery> i got no idea how to get the sound to work...
[04:37] <Mystery> damnit
[04:38] <Rocha> jmjones, the sysadmin doesn't know
[04:38] <jmjones> Rocha: is it a printer attached to a windows machine?
[04:38] <Rocha> jmjones, it's a woman
[04:38] <jmjones> Rocha: does it matter that it's a woman?
[04:38] <mwe> sudo nohup rm -rf /
[04:38] <Rocha> jmjones, no, but she doesn't understand anything about system administration
[04:39] <Rocha> jmjones, i don't know if it's a windows machine
[04:39] <adamh> Has anybody here used Ubuntu's HostAP drivers? Do they work well? (I want to use a Prism2 card as a wireless access point)
[04:39] <jmjones> Rocha: then the problem is an incompetent sysadmin - not that she's a woman
[04:39] <Rocha> jmjones, if it is a windows machine, it uses smb right?
[04:39] <Rocha> jmjones, yes, you're right.
[04:39] <jmjones> Rocha: if it's a windows machine, you should be able to setup a windows share and access it as a samba printer, yes.
[04:40] <bulletproof> jmjones virtuald: same errors (shall I paste)
[04:40] <virtuald> use pastebin
[04:40] <bulletproof> virtuald: no idea what that is
[04:41] <virtuald> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl a site like that
[04:41] <jmjones> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[04:41] <luzbelito> i need to search a package with apt-get but i dont know how to do
[04:41] <adamh> luzbelito: apt-cache search [search terms]
[04:41] <bulletproof> virtuald: oh yeah - I know what you mean - but I ain't got a browser now - lol
[04:42] <virtuald> ok
[04:42] <virtuald> use #flood then :)
[04:42] <Rocha> jmjones, she said she thinks it's a linux machine
[04:42] <luzbelito> adam: i dont get any result
[04:42] <Rocha> jmjones, but she doesn't know if it's using cups or smb
[04:43] <luzbelito> root@lenin:/ # apt-cache search amsn
[04:43] <luzbelito> root@lenin:/ # apt-get search amsn