[06:05] <lotuspsychje> on unity lightdm handles the boot times from login to desktop, anyone knows how i can see what happens on gdm/gnome?
[06:14] <valorie> bootchart?
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> valorie: well i was looking for just gdm to desktop, normal boot times are good to me
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> valorie: seems like bionic takes a bit long to load to desktop
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> and i want to investigate
[06:16] <valorie> I'm not running it yet
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> kk
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> valorie: should be the same on 17.10
[06:16] <valorie> I have the kubuntu backports already so I'm not expecting much change
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> ah cool
[06:17] <valorie> I hope the new kernel is already getting tons of testing
[06:17] <flocculant> lotuspsychje: does systemd-analyze blame do it ?
[06:18] <lotuspsychje> flocculant: let me try, but unity/xenial also have systemd right, and there i could see lightdm logs to desktop
[06:18] <flocculant> valorie: btw - kubuntu's tracker for artful .1 tracker is still wrong
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> flocculant: https://hastebin.com/etuxiqezap.go
[06:19] <flocculant> so apt is taking an age
[06:20] <valorie> what!
[06:20] <valorie> supposedly they were *all* changed
[06:20] <valorie> grrrrr
[06:20] <flocculant> lotuspsychje: 8.992s here
[06:20] <flocculant> valorie: ack
[06:20] <lotuspsychje> flocculant: what does apt daily do exactly
[06:20] <valorie> I've not been very successfully messing around with the qatracker site
[06:21] <flocculant> lotuspsychje: well I'm guessing here - but do you have it set to check for updates daily?
[06:21] <flocculant> coupled with lp being down still
[06:21] <flocculant> valorie: ping jibel in -release
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> flocculant: yes i got unattended upgrades, but that is now default in ubuntu right?
[06:22] <flocculant> no idea whhat's default in ubuntu
[06:22] <flocculant> try changing that and seeing what the boot's like
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> hmm optional
[06:23] <flocculant> that said - I have it set to do daily and ~9s here
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> !info unattended-upgrades
[06:24] <flocculant> lotuspsychje: re gdm - no log for it in /var/log ?
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[06:24]  * flocculant runs out of time quickly
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> ./var/log/gdsm4 folder empty
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> gdm3
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> flocculant: ok i set auto updates to never now
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> gonna reboot & test
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> flocculant: its out of the blame list now, but doesnt feel faster yet
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> i had a plymouth crash this week, does plymouth still load after login?
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> https://hastebin.com/oweravezej.go
[06:33] <flocculant> not sure tbh - but you've a plymouth service there taking 20s almost
[06:34]  * flocculant has to wander off into the day now
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> kk mate tnx anyway
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> i already trimmed services down and fast ssd..
[06:56] <lotuspsychje> im gonna bug this
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2360253
[07:03] <lotuspsychje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1742063
[08:26] <icey> any idea when Bionic's kernel will get the fixes fopr Meltdown/Spectre?
[08:26] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic
[08:29] <lotuspsychje> not sure icey
[08:29] <lotuspsychje> they still in progress atm
[08:29] <valorie> icey: as I understand it, when they are thoroughly tested
[08:29] <valorie> and not until
[08:29] <icey> valorie: agreed, I understand that, I also understand that they are targeted at today across the board :-/
[08:30] <icey> lotuspsychje: looks like I installed that kernel version on 2017-12-18
[16:33] <Anonnyman> Anyone here? XD
[16:34] <alkisg> !ask


[00:02] <darkxst> robert_ancell, I though you had, but all I can find was https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1064269/comments/6
[00:03] <darkxst> although it seems impossible to actually get a full list of sponsors for all my packages
[00:51] <darkxst> jbicha, on the subject of images, the current state for vmware is somewhat broken, but otherwise both images seem to be working fine
[00:52] <darkxst> firefox + libreoffice add about 60-70MB
[00:55] <jbicha> darkxst: ok great
[00:55] <robert_ancell> darkxst, yeah, it feels like there should have been more. I've added an endorsement to your application.
[00:57] <jbicha> darkxst: I'm thinking we'll drop most of the games & Evolution too but add Documents
[00:59] <robert_ancell> jbicha, :..(
[00:59] <robert_ancell> ;)
[01:00] <jbicha> robert_ancell: well if GNOME would decide on an official limited set we'd probably do that
[01:00] <robert_ancell> jbicha, they almost did
[01:01] <jbicha> I was thinking Aisleriot, Mahjongg & Sudoku like Ubuntu (Ubuntu also does Mines), any others we should do?
[01:02] <darkxst> robert_ancell, thanks
[01:02] <jbicha> robert_ancell: we had a short conversation on our list at https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/msg00265.html
[01:02] <darkxst> jbicha, not sure, I don't play many games
[01:03] <robert_ancell> jbicha, yeah, I don't have a major opinion. I know aisleriot, sudoku mines seem to be common favourites
[01:03] <jbicha> I think we can get a lists.ubuntu.com list soon which will be nicer than the LP interface
[01:04] <darkxst> definitely add documents, and I would probably leave evolution in, its doesnt really add much to the size, since most of the rdepends are there already
[01:04] <jbicha> darkxst: that's why I wanted to keep the list relatively short (backing away from the original idea of including the whole set since our image is bigger than most of the others)
[01:05] <darkxst> how big are the other images?
[01:05] <jbicha> darkxst: I thought evolution added 10MB or so and nobody noticed that it wasn't in our first 2 alphas
[01:06] <darkxst> we are currently at 880MB for amd64 and 860MB for i386
[01:07] <jbicha> actually that may not be true now, Xubuntu is about 800MB today but they asked and got a ceiling of 1GB, Kubuntu looks like they're over 900MB
[01:07] <jbicha> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[01:08] <jbicha> darkxst: ok I'll go ahead and wait on evolution for a bit to see if we get a daily with an official image size first
[01:08] <jbicha> dropping evolution would be edgy even though most people don't use it
[01:09] <darkxst> sure
[01:12] <darkxst> I guess all these people that use webmail, only have 1 email address!
[01:14] <jbicha> nah, gmail for instance works pretty well for unifying multiple accounts
[01:19] <darkxst> including non-gmail accounts though?
[01:20] <darkxst> via IMAP?
[01:20] <jbicha> sure or pop3 & then smtp to send
[03:55] <robert_ancell> jbicha, do you have gnome git commit access?
[04:02] <jbicha> robert_ancell: yes
[04:02] <robert_ancell> jbicha, ok, I was going to say just commit the gnome-games theme patches
[04:02] <robert_ancell> but I just did
[04:03] <jbicha> oh ok
[04:04] <jbicha> I guess you can move -extra-data to the archive?
[04:14] <robert_ancell> jbicha, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=695181
[07:23] <darkxst> another broken gnome-shell release... http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-shell/commit/?id=6c3685649921790feb00616f5a840debce3e1d85
[07:28] <ricotz> hmm
[07:29] <ricotz> (they really should avoid rushing things in last-minute, and release something after it had settled for a day or so)
[08:12] <darkxst> yeh, but I guess they all use jhbuild so it doesnt really matter
[13:11] <smartboyhw> Congrats to UGR....
[14:24] <smartboyhw> jbicha: Congrats !!
[21:49] <darkxst> ricotz, I fixed gobect-introspection, so you can drop the cflags hack next time you update
[22:36] <MrChrisDruif> Evening everyone.
[22:42] <jbicha> howdy
[22:49] <darkxst> jbicha, mutter http://pastebin.com/UEatwuvt
[23:30] <MrChrisDruif> How's it going here?
[23:30] <MrChrisDruif> (Sorry, got a bit preoccupied with something else...ordering a new laptop)


[00:00] <rick_h> snap-l: woot, sound ++
[01:23] <rick_h> updated bookie with 'days ago' vs timestamp. Let me know what people think. I'm not a fan of the placement for your own bookmarks :/
[01:41] <snap-l> I think the timestamp is fine
[01:42] <rick_h> snap-l: so you liked the old date icon?
[01:42] <rick_h> snap-l: with the timestamp on hover?
[01:42] <snap-l> No, I mean what is there is fine (currently)
[01:42] <rick_h> snap-l: ah, gotcha
[01:42] <rick_h> coolio
[01:43] <snap-l> Though now I want to click on it and see whatever I bookmarked on that day. :)
[01:43] <rick_h> ah, interesting
[01:43] <snap-l> Not that it's particularly useful
[01:43] <rick_h> well file a bug if you keep that reaction
[01:43] <snap-l> Nah, I'm OK
[01:43] <rick_h> yea, but sometimes you need to meet expectations
[01:45] <rick_h> ok, well lots of changes today so let me know if anything acts quirky. Should be mostly invisible but to new users
[01:45] <rick_h> the date thing is the only 'big' change that everyone sees
[01:46] <snap-l> I'll be sure to make a 15 page diatribe on how it sucks and put it on Hacker News
[01:46] <snap-l> ;)
[01:46] <rick_h> woot!
[01:47] <rick_h> went through marking bugs/etc for sprint-able material as well
[01:47] <snap-l> I know. :)
[01:47] <rick_h> will probably post another email next week with some links/notes to bring it up again
[01:47] <rick_h> hah
[01:47] <snap-l> My RSS feed / Email let me know
[01:47] <rick_h> I didn't really hit breadability though for your own interests
[01:47] <snap-l> Yeah, I need to take a look at it
[01:47] <rick_h> ah, I never know how much other people see in my activity on there.
[01:47] <snap-l> haven't made the effort yet
[01:47] <rick_h> yea, all good
[01:48] <rick_h> had a nice campground nap time to work today. <3 sitting on the picnic table under the awning on a nice day
[01:48] <snap-l> Got to take advantage of those weird windows of time. :)
[13:16] <rick_h> morning
[14:39] <brousch> yes
[14:43] <rick_h> hah, looks like the date stuff needs some work. 'in 3 hrs derekv will bookmark...'
[14:49] <brousch> My god! Bookie can see the future!
[14:49] <rick_h> yea, it's cool like that
[14:50]  * rick_h thinks we need to fix that UTC -> local time in the JS bug
[14:51] <brousch> Time to mow the lawn
[14:51] <rick_h> wheee
[17:44] <snap-l> Howdy
[19:30] <greg-g> want a way to make greg completely stressed and despressed? have him look for housing in an area that discriminates against families.
[21:00] <rick_h> greg-g: :(
[21:00] <rick_h> greg-g: michigan is pretty pro-family :P
[21:01] <rick_h> but sucks you've hit such issues
[21:24] <jrwren> greg-g: leave that hell mouth
[21:24] <jrwren> hellmouth?
[21:24] <brousch> If you think it's hard now, wait until Starfleet moves in
[21:25] <jrwren> i thought they were in new san fran, read: old oakland
[21:28] <greg-g> really want
[21:28] <greg-g> to leave