[00:43] <mup> Bug #1561259 opened: test_xinstallable_returns_false_when_missing_filetypes fails 33% of the time <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1561259>
[08:22] <ReSam> how can I overwrite the MAAS url during commissioning? I can see that it tries to send the results to the wrong IP (looks like the default gateway), but my MAAS runs on a different machine
[12:15] <mup> Bug #1561494 opened: [Xenial] a4 -  ARM64 nodes fail to restart during deployment causing them to fail <acpi> <arm64> <uefi> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1561494>
[12:24] <mup> Bug #1561494 changed: [Xenial] a4 -  ARM64 nodes fail to restart during deployment causing them to fail <acpi> <arm64> <uefi> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1561494>
[12:27] <mup> Bug #1561494 opened: [Xenial] a4 -  ARM64 nodes fail to restart during deployment causing them to fail <acpi> <arm64> <uefi> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1561494>
[16:04] <mup> Bug #1561597 opened: Clicking on multiple "Filter by" items should not make accumulative filters <ux> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1561597>
[16:10] <mup> Bug #1561597 changed: Clicking on multiple "Filter by" items should not make accumulative filters <ux> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1561597>
[16:16] <mup> Bug #1561597 opened: Clicking on multiple "Filter by" items should not make accumulative filters <ux> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1561597>
[18:01] <mup> Bug #1561659 opened: MAAS fails to deploy on a system with 4Kn (4096-byte native sector size) disk <MAAS:New> <MAAS 1.9:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1561659>
[19:10] <mup> Bug #1561688 opened: [2.0a3] adding DNS and Zones to settings subnav <design> <ui> <MAAS:New for blake-rouse> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1561688>
[21:14] <mup> Bug #1561733 opened: [2.0a3] MAAS no longer detects external DHCP servers <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1561733>
[21:17] <mup> Bug #1561733 changed: [2.0a3] MAAS no longer detects external DHCP servers <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1561733>
[21:29] <mup> Bug #1561733 opened: [2.0a3] MAAS no longer detects external DHCP servers <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1561733>
[23:32] <mup> Bug #1561780 opened: [2.0a3] UI subnet page displays '<' char in upper left <cdo-qa> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1561780>


[05:37] <PaoloRotolo> Good morning!
[05:42] <coolbhavi> good morning PaoloRotolo
[05:46] <PaoloRotolo> Hi coolbhavi
[05:46] <coolbhavi> how is it going  PaoloRotolo?
[05:48] <PaoloRotolo> coolbhavi: fine, thanks :)
[05:51] <coolbhavi> :)
[06:00] <PaoloRotolo> coolbhavi: you :)?
[06:03] <coolbhavi> PaoloRotolo, doing good busy in schengen visa procedures to attend this UDS.
[06:07] <PaoloRotolo> coolbhavi: oh, do you have a session for this UDS?
[06:08] <coolbhavi> PaoloRotolo, yes participating in dat arb and motu related sessions
[06:08] <PaoloRotolo> coolbhavi: good!
[06:17] <coolbhavi> PaoloRotolo, are you also coming?
[06:21] <PaoloRotolo> coolbhavi: yes, via Internet :D I'm too young to travel alone...
[06:22] <coolbhavi> PaoloRotolo, haha :) how old are you?
[06:22] <PaoloRotolo> coolbhavi: I'm 14 :/
[06:23] <PaoloRotolo> and Italian
[06:23] <coolbhavi> PaoloRotolo, great! you swept me off my feet now :) m 25
[06:24] <PaoloRotolo> coolbhavi: "cool" :D
[06:27] <coolbhavi> :)
[06:57] <dholbach> good morning
[06:58] <coolbhavi> good morning dholbach
[06:58] <dholbach> hi coolbhavi
[07:03] <coolbhavi> good morning dpm
[07:08] <dpm> hey coolbhavi, good morning :)
[07:09] <coolbhavi> dpm, m almost done with +3 uploads now which are in the voting status
[07:09] <dpm> coolbhavi, wow!
[07:09] <dpm> nice work
[07:09] <coolbhavi> thanks!
[07:11] <coolbhavi> except ppasc which m waiting for a developers response for the query I had
[07:11] <coolbhavi> before publishing
[07:12] <PaoloRotolo> Good morning dpm :)
[07:14] <dpm> coolbhavi, that's pretty awesome, that makes more than 30 contest apps published
[07:14] <dpm> morning PaoloRotolo ;)
[07:15] <coolbhavi> dpm :)
[08:44]  * coolbhavi goes for a nap
[08:44] <coolbhavi> see you all!
[16:03] <PaoloRotolo> Hi all!
[16:04] <highvoltage> hello
[16:04] <PaoloRotolo> Hello highvoltage !
[17:21] <wendar> +1 from me on OrthCal, I reviewed packaging and tested it
[17:21] <wendar> (I'm at the office, so don't have good access to my ubuntu email)
[22:36] <stgraber> wendar: I'm surprised you didn't notice that debian/copyright for OrthCal contained some -NC- CC licences, making it non-redistributable
[22:36] <wendar> stgraber: it did? I carefully scanned through the public domain part, since it was odd
[22:37] <wendar> stgraber: (though fine in the end)
[22:37] <wendar> stgraber: I guess I made the classic CC handwaving error
[22:38] <wendar> stgraber: the "oh yeah, CC, I know that's fine..." even though not all of them are fine
[22:38] <stgraber> stgraber@shell01:~/arb/orthcal$ grep ^License debian/copyright
[22:38] <stgraber> License: GPL-3+
[22:38] <stgraber> License: CC-BY-SA-2.5 (content from orthodoxwiki.org)
[22:38] <stgraber> License: Public Domain (content from saint.gr)
[22:38] <stgraber> License: CC-BY-NC-3.0
[22:38] <stgraber> License: CC-BY-NC-SA-2.0
[22:38] <stgraber> the 3 first ones are fine, the last 2 aren't
[22:38] <wendar> stgraber: yup, you're totally right of course, and I should have caught it
[22:39] <wendar> stgraber: my apologies for rushing
[22:40] <stgraber> np, good thing that we have 3 reviewers ;)
[22:40] <wendar> stgraber: yup, it seems to be the perfect number
[22:40] <wendar> (some sort of statistical probability of error checking there)
[22:41] <wendar> I guess licensecheck would have caught that?
[22:41] <stgraber> nope, it didn't as these are media files and so don't contain any embeded licensing data
[22:41] <stgraber> or at least, nothing that licensecheck is looking for
[22:42] <wendar> ok, we may need some customization in tools then
[22:43] <stgraber> yeah, for media we should have something scanning the EXIF tags though I doubt most media actually have the licensing in there
[22:43] <wendar> (seems like the kind of thing automated checkers are perfect for, completely duplicatable tasks)
[22:44] <wendar> even beyond verifying that the license matches the data, a generic license filter "we only accept X licenses"
[22:44] <wendar> or at least a noisy request for manual action if any license isn't in the list
[22:45] <stgraber> yep, checking that debian/copyright only contains distributable licenses would be good
[22:45] <stgraber> then we just need to make sure people actually cover the media files in there
[22:47] <wendar> yup
[23:23] <ajmitch> stgraber: thanks for catching that


[18:07] <kimus> micahg: I had a simple test now. It's so easy that you can do it right now (see: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=626417) :-D
[18:07] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 626417 in General "XML files with XSL Stylesheet stop working after using Tab Group (Ctrl+E)" [Major,Unconfirmed]
[18:22] <micahg> kimus: it's a dupe of mozilla 591425
[18:22] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 591425 in TabCandy "XML/XSL rendering after using Panorama fails" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=591425
[18:23] <kimus> humm... strange I didn't found no bug related. let me check then
[18:25] <kimus> micahg: ok thank you for you time
[18:25] <micahg> kimus: np
[18:30] <fta> how do i prevent people for uploading random stuff in chromium? wrt bug 703451
[18:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 703451 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Resize grips are covering scrollbar button on Chromium (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/703451
[18:31] <micahg> fta: did he upload or just propose a merge?
[18:31] <fta> micahg, not sure, but i see the papercut thingy, and fear someone will just in and push that patch
[18:32] <fta> -just+jump
[18:32] <micahg> fta: papercuts are just for tracking, technically, you can't prevent someone from uploading to archive fixes, but I think bratsche was just proposing merges, you already commented, so I think it's ok
[18:35] <micahg> fta: it's not in the sponsors queue either and most papercutters don't have upload rights
[18:35] <fta> micahg, isn't the Maintainer field checked?
[18:35] <micahg> fta: well, to some extent, we technically don't have maintainers in Ubunut
[18:35] <micahg> *Ubuntu
[18:36] <micahg> but unless it's an urgent fix, you'll probably be contacted before someone uploads
[18:38] <fta> this patch is a workaround, but nothing urgent. i need to land it properly as it's natty specific, while my packaging is generic
[18:39] <fta> probably some d/p/series patching at build time
[18:39] <fta> i remember something about using different series per dist but i can't find it
[18:40] <fta> quilt series
[20:03] <fta> chrisccoulson, i have evo 3 times in the app indicator :P


[02:00] <LPCIBot> Project db-devel build #691: FAILURE in 5 hr 43 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/db-devel/691/
[07:40] <LPCIBot> Yippie, build fixed!
[07:40] <LPCIBot> Project db-devel build #692: FIXED in 5 hr 40 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/db-devel/692/
[23:08] <wgrant> Morning.
[23:12] <lifeless> wgrant: olá
[23:14] <wgrant> Barely.
[23:15] <lifeless> we have a 150cm climbing tree for the cats
[23:15] <lifeless> they are both wrestling at the top of it right now
[23:18] <wgrant> :(
[23:19] <lifeless> and now are sleep on each other
[23:22] <lifeless> wgrant: are you planning on working today or just going 'blargh'
[23:22] <wgrant> lifeless: Going to try to get us deployable, then blargh.
[23:22] <lifeless> wgrant: if the former, I heard a rumour you'd made progress on rabbit
[23:22] <wgrant> And maybe try to get rabbit sorted out.
[23:22] <wgrant> Since that is mostly poking spm and considering packaging rabbitmq-management.
[23:23] <lifeless> rabbitmq-management ?
[23:23] <wgrant> A plugin which provides an HTTP API which will allow us to reset the fixture in a couple of ms.
[23:23] <lifeless> cool
[23:23] <wgrant> Natty has a plugin or two packaged, so it should be easy enough.
[23:23] <lifeless> did I tell you that db resets are 0.2s
[23:24] <wgrant> gary says they were taking 4s for him (when using the JS factory/teardown bindings written last week).
[23:24] <wgrant> I need to investigate that this week.
[23:24] <wgrant> Since it sounds implausible.
[23:24] <wgrant> By a factor of 10 or so.
[23:25] <wgrant> lifeless: Did you see the stub/bigjools Messaging API v3 land?
[23:27] <lifeless> kindof
[23:33] <lifeless> wgrant: what was taking 4s?
[23:36] <wgrant> lifeless: I'm not entirely clear on that. But it was one of the normal layer teardowns, AIUI.
[23:36] <wgrant> It only came up during the wrap-up.
[23:36] <lifeless> so
[23:36] <lifeless> if there is any contention on the template db
[23:36] <lifeless> both copies will fail
[23:36] <wgrant> I suspect there was an appserver still running or something.
[23:36] <lifeless> and they take their own time about it
[23:36] <wgrant> Since it's in the YUITestLayer-with-appserver monstrosity.
[23:37] <lifeless> can I get a review of https://code.launchpad.net/~lifeless/launchpad/paralleltests/+merge/66554 ?
[23:38] <StevenK> No, since the diff hasn't generated yet. :-P
[23:38] <lifeless> it won't
[23:38] <lifeless> the scanner blew up
[23:39] <lifeless> bzr diff -rr ancestor:lp:launchpad https://code.launchpad.net/~lifeless/launchpad/paralleltests
[23:39] <lifeless> should get you a diff
[23:39] <StevenK> Then pastebin it? :-)
[23:40] <lifeless> sure
[23:42] <lifeless> I've linked a pastebin into it
[23:42] <StevenK> I reserve the right to sob and cry and state it's too hard to review while jetlagged.
[23:42] <lifeless> of course
[23:42] <lifeless> this is just test plumbing
[23:43] <lifeless> it should fix the parallel test job hanging
[23:44] <StevenK> To my jetlagged adled brain, it looks fine.
[23:44] <StevenK> I approve of more logging.
[23:45] <lifeless> the logging is crude, but it helped me a lot when fiddling with it, and I expect others will need said fiddling themselves
[23:45] <lifeless> e.g. future me
[23:46] <StevenK> lifeless: As an aside, I'm curious how the scanner blew up on the branch?
[23:47] <lifeless> StevenK: bug 612171
[23:47] <_mup_> Bug #612171: Error generating merge proposal diff when "source branch has pending writes" <code-review> <lp-code> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/612171 >
[23:47] <StevenK> lifeless: I've approved the branch, land it, ping me when it has and I'll re-enable the Jenkins job.
[23:47] <lifeless> I hit that
[23:47] <lifeless> (I'm using the term scanner loosely)
[23:48] <StevenK> I wonder if we could fix that using Julian's work to suspend the job
[23:49] <lifeless> you could
[23:49] <StevenK> If .checkReady() returns False, suspend the job for one run and unsuspend it on the next run.
[23:49] <lifeless> I think its simpler to just cancel the job cleanly
[23:49] <lifeless> and when scanning a branch, we should be updating the merge proposal(s) for it anyway
[23:49] <StevenK> It will or will not get scanned again by itself?
[23:50] <lifeless> right
[23:50] <StevenK> That was a question, not a statement. :-P
[23:50] <lifeless> 'write pending' is a state that will either rectify itself (and thus the rectification can create new merge proposal jobs), or it won't (and thus a suspended job would never succeed)
[23:51] <StevenK> Right. Then I agree with you.
[23:51] <lifeless> polling every run is inefficient and can fail horribly (when the things being polled but not active grows large)
[23:51] <StevenK> We should kill the job
[23:52] <lifeless> I suspect we have a hole in our 'create a new mp job' logic at the moment, the flip side of this error
[23:52] <lifeless> another option would be to ignore the pending write, and read the *old* tip
[23:52] <lifeless> anyhoo


[16:09] <kjcole> Clearly I need to either (a) remember to sign out, or (b) remember to read what's happening.  So... I note we appear to have several bots on the channel... Which ones are "keepers" and how do we get rid of the others?
[16:13] <bcurtiswx_> ubuntulog vs locobot i think are the only things to worry about
[16:34] <kjcole> Two ubuntulog (ubuntulog2 and ubuntulog_) locobot_3, lubotu1, meeting_ (and of course, the ubiquitous ChanServ).
[16:37] <kjcole> lubotu1 responded to maco's bang-language command a while back, so presumably it stays...
[16:47] <bcurtiswx_> bug #567485
[16:47] <bcurtiswx_> yeah, tahts lobutu


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[13:44] <ahoneybun> mm where is mhanes
[13:44] <ahoneybun> nhanes
[13:45] <ahoneybun> popey: have you seen nhanes
[14:58] <popey> ahoneybun: not recently
[14:58] <ahoneybun> I'd like to have a wallpaper contest over at Kubuntu and he has been running the one at Ubuntu


[09:34] <cargill_> hi, trying to set up juju on debian, and I'm getting "INFO juju.environs.sync sync.go:235 built <IP_ADDRESS>-unknown-amd64 (4540kB); ERROR supercommand.go:282 invalid series "unknown""
[09:35] <cargill_> using the saucy ppa, since the env is mostly sid
[09:36] <cargill_> where does it get the "unknown" tag?
[10:11] <eagles0513875> hey all
[10:11] <eagles0513875> hey fwereade :)
[11:42] <bloodearnest> heya all - having issues with my openstack setup (on canonistack)
[11:42] <bloodearnest> juju status tells me in cannot connect, I need to bootstrap
[11:42] <bloodearnest> juju bootstrap tells me already bootstrapped
[11:43] <bloodearnest> nova boot works fine, and I'm well within my quota
[11:43] <melmoth> bloodearnest, when i use juju on canonistack, i use a ... canonistack vm to run juju
[11:43] <bloodearnest> melmoth: me too
[11:43] <melmoth> if it tells me it s alreadh bootstraped, just destroy environment
[11:44] <bloodearnest> melmoth: already tried that
[11:44] <melmoth> may be it bootstrapped but the bootstrap node vm was not able to run
[11:44] <bloodearnest> ...and it's working
[11:45] <melmoth> so the bootstrap node is up and running ?
[11:45] <melmoth> ssh into it, and try to find some juu related logs
[11:45] <bloodearnest> melmoth: looks like
[11:47] <bloodearnest> melmoth: I did multiple destroy-environments already, I'm sure
[11:47] <bloodearnest> and juju status looks like it's timing out
[11:47] <melmoth> ssh into the node
[11:47] <melmoth> when you bootstrap , it create a vm.
[11:47] <bloodearnest> yeah
[11:47] <melmoth> ssh into it
[11:48] <melmoth> if you cant, that explain why juju is not working
[11:48] <melmoth> if you can, you need to find out what s wrong in it.
[11:48] <melmoth> but i have no clue how the internal works
[11:48] <melmoth> so appart from looking atr /var/log randomly, not sure
[11:48] <melmoth> (well, randomly... cloud-init.log cloud-init-output.log and anything that looks like juju)
[11:50] <bloodearnest> couple of request failures from swift in the logs
[11:50] <bloodearnest> melmoth: /var/log/juju/all-machines.log
[11:51] <bloodearnest> but status is working again
[11:51] <bloodearnest> trying a deploy
[11:52] <bloodearnest> so it seems to be working
[11:52] <noodles775> rogpeppe: jfyi, I updated juju-core and retried an amulet test, I still see bug 1269519 : http://paste.ubuntu.com/6791133/
[11:52] <_mup_> Bug #1269519: Error on allwatcher api <juju-core:In Progress by rogpeppe> <juju-deployer:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1269519>
[11:52] <rogpeppe> noodles775: bother.
[11:53] <rogpeppe> noodles775: i shall recheck.
[11:53] <noodles775> Yeah, sorry (It's not blocking me or anything, so don't prioritise it unless it's affecting others)
[12:02] <teknico_> fyi, filed bug #1271144
[12:02] <_mup_> Bug #1271144: br0 not brought up by cloud-init script <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1271144>
[13:11] <cargill_> hi, trying to set up juju on debian, and I'm getting "INFO juju.environs.sync sync.go:235 built <IP_ADDRESS>-unknown-amd64 (4540kB); ERROR supercommand.go:282 invalid series "unknown""
[13:11] <cargill_> that's juju-local
[13:14] <mgz> cargill_: you probably need to teach juju about debian series names
[13:17] <eagles0513875> cargill_: i was trying to make a push for the use of juju for the Document foundation but was asked if it works with debian lol
[13:18] <eagles0513875> cargill_: would be nice if juju was a bit platform neutral be it for debian or any debian derivatives
[13:19] <mgz> cargill_: see updateDistroInfo in environs/simplestreams/simplestreams.go - you'll want to make that read debian csv as well, and go from there
[13:27] <rogpeppe1> noodles775: i can't reproduce the problem any more with latest juju-core trunk
[13:27] <rogpeppe1> noodles775: i see "The rabbitmq-server passed this test."
[13:28] <noodles775> rogpeppe1: let me check the repro instructions and see how it differs from my amulet test.
[13:29] <rogpeppe1> noodles775: previously, i got 100% failure rate, so i think that *something* has been fixed
[13:30] <noodles775> rogpeppe1: yeah - you were always checking with the rabbitmq-server instructions right? (as my instructions didn't work because you didn't have python-requests installed).
[13:30]  * noodles775 can try with the other instructions too.
[13:32] <rogpeppe1> noodles775: i was trying with the basic_deploy_test.py in bzr branch lp:~mbruzek/charms/precise/rabbitmq-server/tests
[13:33]  * noodles775 does the same.
[13:38] <rogpeppe1> noodles775: you *did* "go install" the latest juju, did you?
[13:38] <rogpeppe1> noodles775: (and do a fresh bootstrap with it)
[13:40] <noodles775> rogpeppe1: I did this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6791620/
[13:40] <noodles775> (and yes, I'm rebootstrapping for every run)
[13:42] <rogpeppe1> noodles775: and i presume that "which juju" prints "/home/michael/golang/bin/juju" ?
[13:43] <rogpeppe1> noodles775: could you paste me the contents of ~/.juju/local/logs/machine-0.log?
[13:44] <noodles775> rogpeppe1: first, here's the run with the rabbitmq log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6791637/
[13:44] <noodles775> er, rabbit-mq steps to repeat.
[13:45] <noodles775> rogpeppe1: and here's the machine-0.log - http://paste.ubuntu.com/6791655/
[13:47] <rogpeppe1> noodles775: that doesn't look like output from the latest version
[13:48] <rogpeppe1> noodles775: the latest version prints "connection from" and "connection terminated" lines when API connections are made and dropped
[13:48] <noodles775> rogpeppe1: excellent - so, let me find out how I could be possibly running the old version given the steps taken.
[13:49] <rogpeppe1> noodles775: i didn't see your entire terminal log - for example, i didn't see the bootstrap step, or the contents of your $PATH, so i can't be sure
[13:50] <noodles775> They're what you'd expect, I'll paste with a re-run (while trying to find out what else juju may still have running)
[13:50] <rogpeppe1> noodles775: try destroying the environment and re-bootstrapping with "--debug"
[13:51] <noodles775> hrm, old tools?
[13:51] <noodles775> 2014-01-21 13:51:17 INFO juju.provider.local environ.go:473 tools location: /home/michael/.juju/local/storage/tools/releases/juju-<IP_ADDRESS>-saucy-amd64.tgz
[13:52] <noodles775> Right, even the binary version is 1.17.0, let me paste.
[13:52] <rogpeppe1> noodles775: the --debug flag should induce bootstrap to say where it's getting the jujud binary from
[13:54] <noodles775> rogpeppe1: Right - lots of 1.17.0 in there... http://paste.ubuntu.com/6791688/
[13:54] <cargill_> mgz: that means rebuilding juju, right? where's the sources located at?
[13:54] <rogpeppe1> noodles775: ah, i know the problem
[13:55] <rogpeppe1> noodles775: it's frickin' sudo
[13:55] <rogpeppe1> noodles775: which ignores your $PATH
[13:55] <noodles775> Urg... right :/
[13:55] <mgz> cargill_: I assumed you had, which would be how you got the -unknown- there
[13:55] <mgz> cargill_: but, lp:juju-core and see README
[13:56]  * noodles775 sudo bootstraps with an explicit path.
[13:56] <rogpeppe1> noodles775: i've aliased sudo to http://paste.ubuntu.com/6791714/
[13:57] <noodles775> Thanks rogpeppe1
[13:58] <rogpeppe1> noodles775: i consider it a real problem that sudo doesn't use the same PATH, although i'm aware the writers of sudo consider it a feature
[13:58] <cargill_> it's a debian machine with a saucy ppa set up, I'm working on getting an ubuntu lxc container, but don't have that ready yet
[13:59] <noodles775> Yeah, I'd agree that it should be different, ideally we shouldn't need sudo to bootstrap, but there's a plan for that I guess.
[15:09] <Ming> Does charm still use 'revision' file to maintain the version?
[15:10] <Ming> Docs said deprecated but don't know what is alternative
[15:16] <lazypower> Ming, from what I understand it still uses the revision file to maintain the currently deployed version, otherwise I do believe it uses the bzr revision information. (needs citation)
[15:16] <Ming> Thx
[15:17] <marcoceppi> Ming: not quite
[15:17] <marcoceppi> Ming: revision is only used for local deployments
[15:17] <marcoceppi> Ming: otherwise, the charmstore maintains a seperate revision of the charm
[15:52] <marcoceppi> dpb1: is this ready for review? https://code.launchpad.net/~davidpbritton/charms/precise/haproxy/fix-service-entries/+merge/202387
[16:01] <dpb1> marcoceppi: yup.  I just addressed all of sideni's comments
[16:06] <lazypower> is there something specific i need to add to my juju environment to get the `charm test` command to work proper? I've to tests in $CHARM_PATH/tests, yet when i run charm test, it complains about 'None does not exist in ~/.juju/environments.yaml'
[16:06] <lazypower> is this related to the null provider?
[16:06] <lazypower> s/to/got
[16:31] <eagles0513875> hey guys question if i use the --to flag do i need to specify the ip address or can a domain name which has a dns entry for that server work as well
[16:33] <lazypower> eagles0513875, let me try and find out 1 moment while i bootstrap an AWS environment
[16:33] <eagles0513875> thanks lazypower
[16:34] <eagles0513875> lazypower: reason im asking is im planning on potentially using juju to help ease deployments for me to my vps provider.
[16:34] <eagles0513875> so far my tests with getting use to the command line are quite nice and successful :)
[16:34] <lazypower> Thats great news :) I've been doing the same in my time out of work.
[16:34] <eagles0513875> lazypower: right now just using the local provider
[16:34] <eagles0513875> on my laptop which is very nice for testing and development of charms etc
[16:35] <lazypower> local has really streamlined the process. The "null provider" or manual provisioning stuff is still fairly experimental.
[16:35] <jamespage> marcoceppi, we never really taked about default: "" again
[16:35] <jamespage> marcoceppi, what is the reasoning behind doing that?
[16:36] <lazypower> jamespage, to offer a "sane default", that passes the lint test. charm linting via charm proof throws a W: if there isn't a default provided.
[16:36] <marcoceppi> lazypower: right, but that was a recent addition to charm proof
[16:36]  * marcoceppi looks through the commit history
[16:37] <jamespage> lazypower,  yes - but it changes the way config-get --format=json behaves
[16:37] <jamespage> and empty string is not the same as unset
[16:37] <lazypower> ah, i had not considered that.
[16:41] <Ming> Thx Marco, just back from a meeting
[16:43] <marcoceppi> jamespage: I think this came from a discussion on the list about empty strings and unset options
[16:43] <lazypower> eagles0513875, so the workflow as I'm seeing it, you have to juju add-machine(dnsname) then you can specify --to with the machine ID that the orchestration node assigns the machine.
[16:43] <marcoceppi> ultimately that there was no juju unset and not way to have an unset item so empty strings should be preferred
[16:43] <lazypower> eagles0513875, trying to specify --to with a DNS Name results in an error. error: invalid --to parameter "ec2-54-205-81-94.compute-1.amazonaws.com"
[16:43] <eagles0513875> ok
[16:44] <eagles0513875> i think the --to should work with either a dns name or ip address
[16:44] <marcoceppi> eagles0513875 lazypower --to should be a machine number
[16:44] <marcoceppi> from juju status output
[16:44] <lazypower> marcoceppi, thats what I just validated :)
[16:44] <marcoceppi> ah, missed that line
[16:45] <Ming> Does juju can help to map Amazon instance private ip and public ip?
[16:45] <jamespage> marcoceppi, how do I unset a non-string item then?
[16:45] <lazypower> Ming, yes. it aggregates all of the above.
[16:45] <marcoceppi> jamespage: there are only int and booleans
[16:45] <marcoceppi> jamespage: outside of strings, iirc
[16:46] <marcoceppi> jamespage: since NULL is technically not a string, it's a mismatched type/value
[17:40] <vila> I'm encountering issues trying to 'juju bootstrap' on canonistack lcy02  with 1.17.0-saucy-amd64
[17:42] <vila> In one case it times out after 10 mins failing to connect to node 0 in the other I got: https://pastebin.canonical.com/103325/
[17:55] <mgz> vila: if you `nova --debug list` does it succeed in talking to the same api endpoint?
[17:55] <vila> mgz: that was then, nova list is empty right nwo
[17:56] <vila> mgz: there seems to be something fishy with lcy02 as the bootstrap succeeded in lcy01
[17:56] <mgz> right, it's probably an ask-IS moment
[17:57] <vila> mgz: also, is there a way to put --constraints "mem=1G" somewhere below ~/.juju ?
[17:57] <mgz> nope.
[17:57] <mgz> it should be the default though, something is a little borked
[17:58] <vila> mgz: damn 'nova list' is still empty, yet juju says I'm already bootstrapped >-/
[17:59] <mgz> just do `juju destroy-enviroment` and try again
[18:00] <vila> ok, going further after destroy --force/bootstrap 1G
[18:00] <vila> mgz: well, further... back at 'Attempting to connect to ...:22'
[18:06] <vila> mgz: that connection attempt is quite early in the bootstrap process right ?
[18:07] <mgz> yeah, did you run with -v?
[18:07] <vila> mgz: --show-log ? (Neither -v not --show-log appear in juju help bootstrap AFAICS)
[18:08] <mgz> no, they're top level juju things
[18:08] <mgz> like bzr flag things
[18:08]  * vila coughs
[18:08] <vila> at least bzr display them under --help no ?
[18:09] <vila> hmm, may be not, irrelevant anyway ;)
[18:10] <vila> mgz: https://pastebin.canonical.com/103330/ times out after 10 mins
[18:10] <vila> mgz: and 'juju status' won't work until sshutle is started right ?
[18:12] <mgz> right
[18:14] <vila> mgz: thanks, I was confused about which command was requiring the tunnel, sounds obvious that it's status in retrospect...
[18:16] <vila> mgz: so, any idea on what is going on ?
[18:17] <mgz> looks like the nova endpoint for lcy02 is down, that's why I wondered what `nova --debug list` showed
[18:18] <vila> mgz: urgh, you know who to ping about that ?
[18:19] <mgz> #is vanguard and ask, if that shows the dns as unreachable like your juju log did
[18:20] <vila> mgz: but that occurred only once and doesn't seem to be the case right now, will check #is but they bounced us to another channel ;)
[18:20] <vila> mgz: rats, bad timing, Vanguard just switch to : None :-/
[21:11] <arosales> bloodearnest, ping
[21:42] <Ming_> in depart hook which variable can tell this is the leaving node?
[21:45] <lazypower> Ming_, example?
[21:46] <Ming_> I have a cluster let's my 5 nodes. one nodes is destroyed by "juju destroy-unit" all node will run *depart hooks
[21:46] <lazypower> ahh, i dont know. let me find out for you.
[21:46] <Ming_> but the leaving node will handle this differently than others
[21:47] <Ming_> k. thx
[21:48] <_sEBAs_> hey!
[21:48] <marcoceppi> o/ _sEBAs_
[21:50] <lazypower> Ming_, i'm not getting a quick response, but i'll keep running legwork until I get an answer and will ping when I have an update.
[21:50] <Ming_> no problem
[21:52] <Ming_> another question, is there a way to hide conga variables not expose to user in charm GUI? We have some public internal variables in config.yaml
[21:57] <lazypower> Ming_, is this charm going to be for internal use only? or are you writing a charm that will eventually be submit for charm store review?
[21:58] <Ming_> yes. very soon
[22:00] <lazypower> Ok, Since this will be submit for the charm store, I can't think of a good way to hide configuration options persay  - as its not readily apparent to the end user. You can alternatively provide a sane default for the configuration options that suit 90% of the use cases and that would satisfy the requirement.
[22:00] <lazypower> Otherwise if you are going to be using this extensively internally, read from an external file - or fork the config and maintain one for iternal use, and maintain another for public releases.
[22:01] <lazypower> are a few of your options.
[22:03] <Ming_> k
[22:41] <_sEBAs_> thank you all!


[12:02] <harmw> ah, the smoser still lives :p you had a nice holiday or something?
[13:07] <smoser> harmw, well, was at openstack summit, so just not around a lot from that, and then system got rebooted and bip apparently wasn't configured to auto-log in here.
[13:11] <harmw> :)
[17:06] <harlowja_> smoser i'm still waiting for my blinky hat
[17:06] <harlowja_> lol
[17:06] <harlowja_> ;0
[17:06] <harlowja_> :) i mean
[17:08] <smoser> you'll have to take it away from my 6 year old daughter
[17:09] <harlowja_> lol
[17:28] <harmw> smoser: how 'bout that cirros t-shirt
[17:29] <harmw> didn't your wife mke something?
[17:30] <smoser> she made me a logo. and a coffee mug with it on it.
[17:31] <harmw> you've got a picture?
[18:00] <harlowja_> a cirros shirt, i didn't get that, lol
[18:16] <smoser> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/176196772/cirros-192.png
[18:21] <harmw> you want constructive criticism or just a good 'oll 'wow nice!' :)
[18:21] <harlowja_> hmmm, smoser  u need to put https://launchpadlibrarian.net/73510418/logo.png somewhere in there
[18:21] <harlowja_> :)
[18:21] <harmw> lol
[18:22] <harlowja_> then u can wear yourself on your shirt
[18:25] <smoser> i just pushed the svg to lp:~smoser/cirros/cirros-graphics
[18:26] <smoser> i am most certainly *not* looking for constructive criticism on https://launchpadlibrarian.net/73510418/logo.png
[19:26] <harlowja_> smoser u are supposed to add https://launchpadlibrarian.net/73510418/logo.png to https://launchpadlibrarian.net/176196772/cirros-192.png (like as an overlay)
[19:26] <harlowja_> and hide 'cubswin' in there to
[19:27] <smoser> on the cubswin front, their ace pitcher Jeff Samardzija has the lowest era in the major leagues, 10 starts and zero wins.
[19:27] <smoser> http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/05/jeff-samardzija-chicago-cubs-existential-nightmare-mlb


[00:00] <Voxel> dbungert
[00:00] <Voxel> , it seems this one worked!
[00:00] <Voxel> At least, it started installing!
[00:00] <Voxel> https://i.imgur.com/u3SUcUS.png
[00:00] <sarnold> yay :)
[00:00] <Voxel> That's a relief...
[00:01] <Voxel> I'm currently installing using IPMI KVM and Virtual ISO network drive.
[00:01] <Voxel> Interesting that when starting the live ISO, it verified integrity ~2 hours!
[00:02] <Voxel> https://i.imgur.com/T61cjFM.png this one
[00:02] <Voxel> verifies*
[00:03] <Voxel> Perhaps, the ISO is transferring to the server during that verification.
[00:04] <mwhudson> are you using some very slow virtual iso thing?
[00:04] <mwhudson> you can disable the verification on the command line
[00:04] <Voxel> This feature: https://i.imgur.com/Y8NA6DZ.png
[00:05] <Voxel> Perhaps, it acts like a very slow ISO thing
[00:06] <Voxel> It's IPMIView2.16
[00:08] <Voxel> Oh :(
[00:08] <Voxel> https://i.imgur.com/Fr0wuNS.png
[00:09] <sarnold> holy cow I heard those virtual isos were slow but I had no idea it was *that* bad
[00:10] <Voxel> At least, it works. I'm ~2km from the server :D
[00:10] <Voxel> Although, the connection with it ~500 Mbit/s
[00:15] <Voxel> Welp. The installation failed :(
[00:15] <Voxel> The log: https://termbin.com/u8jd
[00:16] <mwhudson> i bet the apt update run failed
[00:16] <mwhudson> can you dig out /var/log/installer/curtin.log?
[00:16] <sarnold> mwhudson: "password": "3AiK2n29ySjW...
[00:17] <Voxel> No such file
[00:17] <Voxel> These are the files: https://termbin.com/4sh9
[00:19] <mwhudson> sarnold: thats for logging into the live session
[00:19] <mwhudson> Voxel: uh where is it hidden then
[00:20] <mwhudson> Voxel: /var/log/curtin have anything?
[00:20] <sarnold> mwhudson: ah, okay, cool :) /me exhales
[00:21] <Voxel> Indeed, looks like checksum fail in the end.
[00:21] <Voxel> https://termbin.com/loz3
[00:22] <mwhudson> Voxel: grr, maybe try changing the geoip supplied mirror back to plain old archive.ubuntu.com
[00:22] <sarnold> mwhudson: your crystal ball is pretty fantastic :)
[00:22] <Voxel> Let's try!
[00:22] <sarnold> Voxel: is there an apt-cacher-ng or squid-deb-proxy in use here?
[00:22] <Voxel> No proxies were installed.
[00:23] <mwhudson> i really really need to do more mirror validation before the install, or at least make mirror errors much more obvious to the user
[00:23] <Voxel> This one? https://i.imgur.com/6PdD6So.png
[00:24] <sarnold> Voxel: yeah that should work
[00:24] <mwhudson> Voxel: yes
[00:27] <Voxel> Started
[00:30] <Voxel> Still's going
[00:30] <Voxel> https://i.imgur.com/NJortUv.png
[00:31] <Voxel> Fingers crossed ^^
[06:12] <Voxel> Install complete! ^^
[06:12] <Voxel> https://i.imgur.com/9yTBGQ1.png
[06:13] <Voxel> Thank you all very much! You're awesome ^^
[06:19] <Voxel> These are the logs, just in case if required: https://termbin.com/97tg (subiquity-server-debug.log), https://termbin.com/kl2m (curtin/install.log)
[07:01] <Voxel> Oh../
[07:02] <Voxel> It seems, it doesn't install GRUB. Is it expected?
[07:03] <tomreyn> on amd64 hosts, grub should get installed by the installer. if it didn't, this would mean something went wrong (likely a bug).
[07:05] <Voxel> :(
[07:13] <Voxel> Is it possible to install grub using live image?
[07:13] <Voxel> grub-install didn't appear on the image
[07:19] <tomreyn> https://termbin.com/kl2m says "finish: cmd-install/stage-curthooks/builtin/cmd-curthooks/install-grub: SUCCESS: installing grub to target devices"
[07:19] <tomreyn> it seems that it tried to install grub to /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SLSI_MR9260-8i_00aabec658349ce121908a7d03b00506
[07:20] <tomreyn> but also to /dev/sda
[07:22] <Voxel> Indeed, only /dev/sda was used for installation
[07:22] <Voxel> 3 partitions were made using in-built manager: /, /home and swap
[07:22] <tomreyn> Voxel: you could install grub once more from a live system if you did a chroot mount. but i don't have the time to guide right now.
[07:22] <Voxel> No problem! I'll try ^^
[07:31] <TJ-> Voxel: the install didn't use UEFI mode. Are you trying to start the system in UEFI mode now?
[07:32] <Voxel> I believe it's old BIOS, but I'll check now
[07:33] <Voxel> Welp, that's the BIOS: https://i.imgur.com/OHAZ4iC.png
[07:33] <Voxel> It's oldy one ^^
[07:35] <TJ-> Voxel: jsut to be sure, check on the 'Boot' tab/menu (I see the date is 2010 so its on the cusp of mandatory UEFI for Windows timeframe)
[07:36] <tomreyn> "P05" sounds like it can be an early bios version for this mainboard/server model, i'd look for an upgrade there before i try anything
[07:36] <Voxel> https://i.imgur.com/k2IEXL8.png
[07:36] <Voxel> https://i.imgur.com/UOsaB0p.png
[07:37] <TJ-> Voxel: definitely looks to be BIOS not UEFI... but I've been caught out before since the makerse often still prominently lable it BIOS when it's UEFI
[07:37] <Voxel> This server ran Ubuntu server from 14 to 18 without any problems ^^
[07:37] <TJ-> Voxel: so unless you've got the boot order set incorrectly it should boot from the MR9260-8i
[07:37] <TJ-> Check the Boot Device priority, etc.
[07:38] <TJ-> looks like it uses device class lists rather than specific devices, so also check the MR9260-8i is in the 'Hard disk Drives' list
[07:38] <TJ-> Voxel: also, what do you see happen when starting the PC?
[07:39] <Voxel> grub: no such device
[07:39] <Voxel> I'll try changing priority
[07:39] <Voxel> I see USB device. Perhaps, someone there locally inserted one
[07:39] <TJ-> Voxel: oh, so GRUB's boot.img (boot sector) is loading!
[07:40] <TJ-> Voxel: yes, that would be my guess too
[07:40] <Voxel> Indeed, it does, but perhaps from wrong source
[07:40] <Voxel> Changed to /sda to be first
[07:41] <Voxel> HEY!
[07:41] <Voxel> https://i.imgur.com/PWlnP5q.png
[07:41] <TJ-> simple solution!
[07:42] <Voxel> Ha! Someone inserted a USB storage there (~2k from here) and boot priority shifted
[07:42] <Voxel> I'll call them.
[07:42] <Voxel> Thank you very much ^^
[07:43] <Voxel> Interesting, noticed accidentally:
[07:43] <Voxel> https://i.imgur.com/LRO6CNo.png
[07:45] <Voxel> System is booted, but after login prompt it posted the same Cloud-init: https://i.imgur.com/9rnYYZ3.png
[07:46] <TJ-> Voxel: looks correct
[07:47] <Voxel> Haha! https://i.imgur.com/Jxl9tC0.png
[07:48] <Voxel> I see, so Cloud-init is a service which started after complete boot, right? It started after MOTD.
[07:48] <Voxel> Like, it looks like Cloud-init started with posting MOTD message.
[07:52] <TJ-> Voxel: What you saw is, I think, the post-install final steps
[07:53] <Voxel> Makes sense!
[07:53] <Voxel> Thank you! The OS is amazing ^^
[07:55] <mwhudson> Voxel: glad you got there in the end
[07:55] <mwhudson> those cloud-init messages on first boot are a bit ugly, you won't get them again
[07:56] <Voxel> So much to do now!
[07:56] <Voxel> Indeed, after reboot much more less output: https://i.imgur.com/8VZSAQA.png
[07:56] <Voxel> much less*
[07:57] <Voxel> Stay safe, People! ^^
[13:24]  * enyc meows =)
[13:29] <tomreyn> enyc: here's another reminder to please not do that.
[13:36] <enyc> ooooooooooooooo discovered my own answer was about to type out
[13:36] <enyc> "Starting from Ubuntu Server 20.04.2 the ISO images can optionally boot the installer using the HWE kernel. In this case the installed system will automatically make use of the HWE stack. "
[13:36] <enyc> I guess ryzen Servers etc etc do exist and need k5.8 k5.11 etc
[13:38] <tomreyn> ryzen is a desktop / workstation cpu, amd's server cpu's would be "epyc"
[13:38] <tomreyn> just like intel core2 vs xeon
[14:49] <shubjer0> And I would add that Ryzen has a workstation class sku (threadripper) to better differentiate
[14:51] <shubjero> coreycb: Hi! Thanks for all the work in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/neutron/+bug/1927868 . I am testing Ussuri Neutron packages 16.4.0 but I am coming across a pretty bad issue related to rootwrap/privsep. All my neutron services are complaining about "CRITICAL oslo.privsep.daemon [-] privsep helper command exited non-zero (1)".
[15:16] <coreycb> shubjero: Hi, you're welcome. if you think it's a bug in neutron would you be able to file a bug with more details?
[15:21] <coreycb> I doubt this is related but it was fixed recently https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/neutron/+/793417
[15:21] <shubjero> coreycb: hopefully not and hopefully can be remedied with some configuration options. I am still investigating
[15:22] <coreycb> it's basically the only hit for rootwrap since 16.3.1
[15:23] <shubjero> Yeah, and I'm just following https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1887147 at the moment. I've added step #3 [privsep] options in to my neutron.conf which seems to have calmed things down a bit but it's still some whack a mole at the moment


 :-P
[10:51] <diddledan> why is every security blog talking about covering your webcam because the fbi dude does it, right now?
[10:52] <popey> because mark zuckerberg does it?
[10:52] <zmoylan-pi> because i've been covering my webcams and phone cams with tape for years and he's just copying me...
[10:52] <diddledan> I prefer to let whoever hacks me to see me in the nude. that'll make them mentally-scarred for life
[10:53] <davmor2> diddledan: you deal in cyber and freedom you are a cyberhippie no matter what length your hair is :)
[10:53] <zmoylan-pi> it does seem interesting that no manufacturers offer a laptop/tablet/phone with physical switches for microphones/cams
[10:53] <popey> diddledan: he saw you do it?
[10:53] <diddledan> davmor2: awesomesauce
[10:53] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: probably because they're schills for the government :-p
[10:54]  * diddledan buffs-up his tin-foil
[10:54] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: you fool thats so the nsa and gchq can monitor you ;)
[10:54] <zmoylan-pi> it's also an admission of defeat if the fbi and mark zuckerburg cover their cams.  if they can't be on a secure network then who can...
[10:54] <diddledan> tin-foil needs to be as shiny as possible. the more shiny, the better they are at blocking the mindrays
[10:54] <davmor2> oh hang on knock at the door..........mmmmffmffmfmfmfmfffffmf......run the men in black are real
[10:55] <diddledan> the men in black wear red
[10:56] <zmoylan-pi> should be easy to kill so... :-P
[10:56] <zmoylan-pi> even near misses....
[11:05] <diddledan> how not to answer a probing question into national security from a US general: http://www.vocativ.com/357132/the-cyber-is-so-big-donald-trump-on-web-security/
[11:08] <davmor2> diddledan: he really shouldn't be allowed to talk
[11:08] <zmoylan-pi> take away the pong paddles too, they're beyond him...
[11:30] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_m5AlsQqcs
[12:21] <diddledan> wat: https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/worlds-smallest-working-mame-cabinet/
[12:21] <diddledan> that's small
[12:23] <zmoylan-pi> so you can put it on a keyring...
[12:24] <diddledan> lol
[12:24] <foobarry> has anyone watched citizenfour? is it worth watching vs new snowden film?
[12:25] <zmoylan-pi> i really liked citizen 4, haven't seen new snowden film yet... probably a fingerprint check at local cinema to help speed up rounding up the dangerous intellectuals... :-)
[12:25] <foobarry> not sure i'd want to see such a film at cinema
[12:26] <foobarry> 10+ quid for a documentary style thing
[12:26] <zmoylan-pi> i'll get it on dvd from bargain bin in a few months like per usual
[12:27] <diddledan> they'll be running facial recog and bluetooth, wifi, and cellular snooping
[12:27] <diddledan> I might acquire it somehow
[12:27] <diddledan> I might even pay for it
[12:27] <diddledan> :-p
[12:28] <diddledan> apparently there's been announcements that it's all lies
[12:28] <zmoylan-pi> which means it's all true
[12:28] <diddledan> yup
[12:28] <zmoylan-pi> it's not true unless the nsa/cia accuse it of lies
[12:29] <diddledan> there have been claims that he washed out of the military rather than the film's claim that he broke his legs
[12:29] <zmoylan-pi> they just want a chance to break his legs again
[12:29] <diddledan> they have said he wasn't a consultant but merely a techy
[12:29] <zmoylan-pi> a techy on a zero hours contract probably so independent contractor or consultant... :-)
[12:30] <zmoylan-pi> it's a pain when your plans for cheap labour turn around and bite you...
[12:30] <zmoylan-pi> and also worrying that such a low techie could access such data
[12:30] <diddledan> and he stole 1.5 million documents (the number he has said they worked-out based on the knowledge that his bosses asked him to download 1.5 million documents for official use)
[12:31] <zmoylan-pi> imagine if he had of had a second floppy disk... :-P
[12:31] <diddledan> lmao
[13:03] <zmoylan-pi> thank goodness the guy who unblocked the bogs didn't go rogue... with his keys he could have accessed way more data by the sound of it...  I understand if he was ill, but docs agree with us, the school don't
[14:05] <Seeker`> diplo: "Hi, <kid's> school? Yeah, he projectile vomited this morning, we'd better keep him at home for 48 hours". *go off on holiday for a day*
[14:07] <diplo> Seeker`: The ex has used that already, I just don't get the arguement :)
[14:07] <diplo> I've tried discussing it with the head, didn't get anywhere, she's steadfast because 'goverment says' and nothing else
[14:09] <popey> Seeker`: I am outraged you'd suggest teaching a child such activites!
[14:09] <diplo> :P
[14:09] <zmoylan-pi> if they allow one little change to the rules written down and it goes wrong then it's all on them... they're not going to risk their job for that
[14:10] <zmoylan-pi> all it would take is some other kids parents complaining that their little timmy got sick when your sprog was banished for 48 hours...
[14:11] <zmoylan-pi> *wasn't
[15:20] <Seeker`> Yarr, it be international talk like a pirate day
[15:21] <diddledan> be that as it may
[15:25] <foobarry> need some perl help again guys :S
[15:26] <foobarry> how can i check if an array contains a matching name
[15:27] <foobarry> e.g. if ingredient is not included in a list of allergic ingredients
[15:27] <diddledan> foobarry: try something like if (exists $hash{$key}) {}
[15:28] <diddledan> or if you mean value rather than name then it'll be different to that
[15:28] <diddledan> that checks if the key exists in the hash
[15:29] <foobarry> exists argument is not a HASH or ARRAY element or a subroutine
[15:30] <diddledan> if you want a value existance try if ("value" ~~ @array) {}
[15:31] <diddledan> you can use that last one for the first case too, @keys = keys @array; if ("somekey" ~~ @array) {}
[15:32] <foobarry> amazing
[15:32] <foobarry> thanks
[15:32] <foobarry>  ("value" ~~ @array) {}
[15:32] <foobarry> worked
[15:32] <diddledan> err, keys @array should be keys %hash
[15:32] <diddledan> google foo ftw  :-p
[15:34] <diddledan> you can combine the last thing I wrote above to : if ("somekey" ~~ keys %hash) {}
[15:34] <diddledan> the multitude of sigils in perl confuse me
[15:34] <foobarry> perl is like someone else's handwriting
[15:34] <foobarry> i hate fixing it
[15:35] <diddledan> $scalar, %hash, $hash{$key} (scalar value of the element in the hash associated with key), @array, $array[5] (scalar value of the 5th element of @array)....
[15:36] <diddledan> I think it could be described as too powerful
[15:36] <Seeker`> Perl is great, as long as you never want to read it
[15:38] <diddledan> the problem is no matter how good you are at coding, you'll forget something you wrote and you'll therefore have to read it to figure out what it does. and as above that means perl is no-longer great
[15:42] <foobarry> thanks diddledan
[15:49] <Azelphur> Ah, the fun of ebay best offer. I see a machine up for local collection at £800 with "Reasonable offers will be accepted" offer him £250, he tells me if I can build him something like it for £250 he'll buy it off me, so I find all the parts on eBay and drop him a PC Part Picker link to a better build for £287.50 :D
[15:50] <Azelphur> It's one hell of a bizarre build too, old AMD AM3 with 8GB RAM, RX 290...and an AX1200i :S
[15:55] <ali1234> but its AMD
[15:56] <ali1234> lets see the part picker link?
[15:57] <ali1234> if you want a rubbish old AMD AM3 system i have one i could sell you
[15:57] <diddledan> AM3+ is the current socket, isn't it?
[15:57] <ali1234> AM3+ isn't the same as AM3
[15:58] <ali1234> i think AM3+ is the newest one, but its also really old
[15:58] <ali1234> they released it shortly after i got an AM3 system... which would have been about 2008
[16:19] <Azelphur> ali1234: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/ZqN34C
[16:20] <Azelphur> ali1234: I'm mostly just stalking for really good deals, I wouldn't mind something with a decent CPU/Board/RAM/Case to drop a GPU into and use as a headless windows steam server
[19:30] <foobarry> Azelphur: do you care about power usage?
[19:31] <foobarry> pick up an R710 for peanuts from companies throwing out 3yr old kit
[19:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[19:42] <benxyzzy> I just installed flash from the adobe website APT here: https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ . How do I reverse this? The install didn't solve the problem and I want to go back to how I was before. Apparently I already had flash-installer installed
[19:42] <benxyzzy> *flashplugin-installer
[19:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> benxyzzy,  yeah shoudn't need to get directly from adobe
[19:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> benxyzzy,  but I think that would just put it in a flash folder in home
[19:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yes ther's sudo restriced extras that gives you there one
[19:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> pluss theres pepper flash as wel
[19:43] <benxyzzy> It was an APT link that opened in Ubuntu Software (I think). I had to enter my sudo password to let it do it
[19:44] <benxyzzy> APT asked to add another software source, which I guess was adobe's
[19:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> benxyzzy,  i don't know i just joined here, so an apt link from where?
[19:44] <benxyzzy> The dropdown in https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/
[19:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> benxyzzy,  sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras should give you flash, mp3 avi etc
[19:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> benxyzzy, if you have issues with teh default adobe flash, there's also pepper flash thingey as an alternative
[19:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that wil use chromes flash, but in firefox
[19:47] <benxyzzy> At this point I just want to undo what I may have already done - I started with flashplugin-installer installed, and (probably) installed flash from adobe using their software source. Maybe I should look at the apt history
[19:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> benxyzzy, I think it puts it into a hidden folder in home
[19:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> if you install directly from adobe
[19:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so finding and deleting that would revert it I guess
[19:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> benxyzzy, or it puts in a system folder hmm
[19:49] <Azelphur> foobarry: interesting, could I put a GPU in that? why does it use so much power?
[19:49] <benxyzzy> it opened some link in apt, which asked to add another software source. So I didn't install from tarball or anything - it should have gone from their repos via apt
[19:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> benxyzzy, yeah it woud downad from adobe etc
[19:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> a tar.gaz or bin or something
[19:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and install
[19:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> benxyzzy, same with the restricted extras command really
[19:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> whats wrong with flash anyway ?
[19:52] <benxyzzy> The last version of linux flash from adobe is very old - deprecated. It says so on the download link itself. I only installed it to try and get 4od working
[19:52] <foobarry> Azelphur: heh there was a thread on reddit today
[19:53] <foobarry> https://www.reddit.com/r/homelab/comments/5312cq/i_put_a_dedicated_gpu_in_my_r710_and_it_works/
[19:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> benxyzzy, indeed it's old, but
[19:53] <foobarry> or just buy/make a cable rather than hard wiring it!
[19:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> benxyzzy,  I read a nice article on omgubuntu like last week or something, how adobe will support flash on linux again
[19:54] <foobarry> rack mount servers seem to draw power for fans and are noisy
[19:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> benxyzzy, although not with major new features it seems, but security stability updates etc sure
[19:54] <Azelphur> foobarry: noise would be a concern
[19:54] <foobarry> yeah, best to run in a cold garage
[19:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> benxyzzy, thre's pepper flash or whatever it's called as an alternative to  that adobe flash
[19:54] <foobarry> worth keeping an eye out if you have mates getting rid of company kit
[19:54] <Azelphur> foobarry: except that I don't have a garage
[19:54] <foobarry> they are great servers
[19:55] <Azelphur> I have an underground car parking space, 100 meters away...underground? :(
[19:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> benxyzzy, chrome has a built in flash, so it's really that, but that can now work with FIrefox etc so
[19:55] <Azelphur> and I live in a 2 bed apartment
[19:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> benxyzzy, and that should work beter than the old adboe flash now even
[19:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !flash
[19:55] <lubotu3`> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - See also  !Restricted and !Gnash
[19:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !pepperflash
[21:01] <shedu> !Pondering Jamie Maslin - Iranian Rappers and Persian Porn- A Hitchhiker's Adventures in the New Iran (epub).rar
[21:01] <lubotu3`> shedu: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[21:02] <shedu> !Pondering Jamie Maslin - Iranian Rappers and Persian Porn- A Hitchhiker's Adventures in the New Iran (epub).rar
[21:02] <lubotu3`> shedu: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[21:04] <zmoylan-pi> someone was in the wrong channel...
[21:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grr netsplit


[22:39] <tomreyn> Eickmeyer: Eickmeyer:ubottu 1:0
[22:39] <tomreyn> a tough fight, but well deserved!
[22:49] <Unit193> Wake me when he tries to take on Drone.


[01:57] <ianorlyn> hmm lubuntu packages team is subscribed to xscreensaver bugs not exactly sure this is that helpful


[00:00] <guiverc> jphilips, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2021-February/000265.html  re: 20.04..2.0 hotfix
[00:01] <jphilips> guiverc: thanks


[04:44] <tbr> bjf: does your particular NUC have a legacy bios mode or only UEFI? UEFI doesn't work quite yet.
[04:47] <tbr> bjf: In my case to get the latest tools and preliminary UEFI support I did on 15.04: "apt-add-repository ppa:snappy-dev/tools" "sudo ubuntu-device-flash core rolling --output amd64.img --developer-mode --channel edge" only works on 15.04 tho for uefi
[05:03] <rsalveti> tbr: mind updating the bug with the issues you still had with latest u-d-f that is available at this ppa?
[05:03] <rsalveti> and yeah, this extra logic is not part of the rootfs, so we need to change the flashing tool
[05:04] <tbr> rsalveti: I'm still unclear about the underlying issues, but yeah, will do
[05:04] <tbr> if it would be more clear I'd have done already
[05:05] <rsalveti> thanks, yeah, not so familiar with that setup still, maybe slangasek can help you a bit more with that
[05:05] <rsalveti> since he did the initial uefi support
[05:07] <slangasek> UEFI does work, for 64-bit systems that don't require secureboot and if you're using the right udf
[05:09] <tbr> slangasek: for me 'works' means in a very narrow context: in qemu with UEFI firmware and by manually executing grubx64.efi or writing a startup.nsh
[05:09] <slangasek> https://launchpad.net/~snappy-dev/+archive/ubuntu/tools/+packages shows that goget-ubuntu-touch has only been updated for vivid, not for trusty or utopic; that's a sergiusens question
[05:09] <tbr> on a minnowboardmax however boot fails and I'm not sure why
[05:10] <slangasek> tbr: no, udf installs the bootloader to /EFI/boot/bootx64.efi
[05:10] <slangasek> which is the path UEFI expects to find for a removable disk
[05:11] <slangasek> you shouldn't even have a grubx64.efi installed by udf
[05:11] <tbr> or it was called bootx64.efi
[05:11] <bjf> tbr, got part of my question answered earlier. thanks.
[05:12] <tbr> anyway, both on qemu and on minnow I end up in the EFI shell with the image
[05:12] <tbr> if I then run it manually it will boot in qemu, but not on the minnow
[05:15] <slangasek> well I can't reproduce the behavior you're describing under qemu, the images booted straightaway for me with no configuration required
[07:16] <dholbach> good morning
[07:28] <tbr> slangasek: well, something is obviously different then. I've documented what I did in the bug.
[07:32] <tbr> the qemu is 2.0.0+dfsg-2ubuntu1.10 and ovmf 0~20131112.2590861a-2  - though that shouldn't matter as behaviour is the same on the minnowmax too.
[08:36] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Alison Hargreaves Day! 😃
[08:46] <ogra_> beowulf, oooh, thanks, fixing
[09:12] <beowulf> ogra_: i was wondering if node-snapper should look in package.json (or npm-shrinkwrap) to find deps, at correct semver, and maybe the easiest way to do that would be to allow passing in package.json as an argument and using that in the chroot where 'npm install' is called? does that sound ok?
[09:13] <ogra_> beowulf, do you mean .deb deps or npm deps ?
[09:13] <beowulf> ogra_: i mean npm deps
[09:14] <ogra_> ah, yeah, sounds sane
[09:17] <beowulf> parsing package.json could MY_EXECUTABLE from "main"
[09:24] <ogra_> yeah
[09:25] <ogra_> if you use paths from there you need to substitute them thouh
[09:25] <ogra_> *though
[09:36] <vmayoral|pc> hey there, I'm trying to get snappy-tools set up in and amrhf chroot running something like https://gist.github.com/vmayoral/b9d84522e1b28b54f028
[09:36] <vmayoral|pc> however it seems like: "E: Unable to locate package snappy-tools"
[09:37] <vmayoral|pc> the package is available though http://ppa.launchpad.net/snappy-dev/tools/ubuntu/dists/vivid/main/, right?
[10:03] <ogra_> vmayoral|pc, hmm, i fear there is no armhf deb for them
[10:04] <ogra_> (are you running that on armhf ?)
[10:04] <vmayoral|pc> ogra_: yes
[10:04] <ogra_> http://ppa.launchpad.net/snappy-dev/tools/ubuntu/pool/main/s/snappy-tools/
[10:11] <ogra_> vmayoral|pc, bug 1454619
[10:11] <ogra_> (why is there no ubottu here ... tsk)
[10:12] <vmayoral|pc> thanks ogra_
[10:17] <vmayoral|pc> ogra_: i got the tools from the BBB image you guys released but this is hardly scalable for other developers. Until there're armhf devs, is there a simpler way to get snappy-tools? Maybe from the sources? If so i'd really appreciate if you could walk me through
[10:18] <ogra_> you could do "apt-get build-dep snappy-tools && apt-get source -b snappy-tools"
[10:18] <ogra_> with the ppa enabled ... on an armhf device
[10:19] <ogra_> (not sure how well that works, theoretically it should though :) )
[10:20] <ogra_> (armhf chroot *should* work, but i'm not sure how the go compiler will behave in a qemu chroot)
[13:12] <ogra_> bug 1454619
[13:13] <ogra_> \o/
[15:08] <beowulf> dpm: hi! would you be interested in a couple of typos i spotted while reading https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/guides/config-command/?
[16:19] <dpm> beowulf, definitely (sorry, I'Ve been in calls until now). Would you mind pointing them out to me and davidcalle? ^
[16:21] <davidcalle> dpm, beowulf, actually that means they are in snappy trunk as well, since that's a doc we imported. I'll make a mp with what you have found.
[16:27] <beowulf> dpm: davidcalle: not sure what's the best way to do this, but...
[16:27] <beowulf> " The application is repsonsible to provide a configuration handler that can transform yaml into the apps native configuration format. "
[16:27] <beowulf> responsible*
[16:27] <beowulf> app's*
[16:28] <beowulf> and i'd argue it should read "is responsible for providing a configuration handler"
[16:29] <beowulf> " The current list of values that must be supported (if the feature is used:"
[16:29] <beowulf> missing closing para?
[16:30] <beowulf> " When the configuratin is applied the service will be restarted by snappy automatically(?). "
[16:30] <beowulf> configuration*
[16:30] <beowulf> and not sure about that "(?)"
[16:31] <beowulf> dpm: davidcalle: also i wasn't sure about the config examples, they confused me a little
[16:32] <beowulf> but the last one:
[16:32] <beowulf> " snappy calls meta/hooks/config with empy input "
[16:32] <beowulf> empty*
[16:33] <beowulf> dpm: davidcalle: if you want to point me at somewhere i can branch and propose an mp i'm happy to do that
[16:35] <davidcalle> beowulf, snappy trunk https://code.launchpad.net/snappy the text is in docs/config.md
[16:37] <davidcalle> beowulf, thanks :)
[16:51] <beowulf> davidcalle: https://code.launchpad.net/~stephen-stewart/snappy/fix-typos-in-config-docs/+merge/259027
[16:55] <davidcalle> beowulf, super nitpicking, but do you mind dropping the extra space between sentences on l18 of the diff ? "editing of config.  The format"
[17:03] <davidcalle> beowulf, I'm going to apply these changes to the website a bit later today, since they LGTM, thanks again
[17:03]  * davidcalle relocates
[17:22] <dpm> thanks beowulf!
[20:55] <mterry> To run ./run-checks from lp:snappy, do I need to install into GOPATH first?
[23:00] <Chipaca> mterry: I think you need to work in a go workspace
[23:01] <Chipaca> mterry: e.g., mkdir -p ~/canonical/snappy/src/launchpad.net && cd ~/canonical/snappy/src/launchpad.net && bzr branch lp:snappy && cd snappy && GOPATH=~/canonical/snappy ./run-checks
[23:06] <mterry>  Chipaca: Oh hmm, OK.  I have to be *inside* GOPATH for it to work then?
[23:07] <Chipaca> mterry: it needs a hand in finding itself, yes


[08:10] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[08:10] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[08:10] <oSoMoN> good afternoon duflu
[08:14] <didrocks> good morning
[08:16] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[08:17] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN
[08:28] <duflu> Hi didrocks
[08:28] <duflu> And with that, afternoon tea time
[08:33] <didrocks> hey duflu
[08:37] <seb128> k, back, good morning desktopers!
[08:38] <oSoMoN> good morning seb128
[08:41] <seb128> hey oSoMoN :)
[09:00] <ricotz> good morning all
[09:02] <seb128> hey ricotz, happy new year. how are you?
[09:02] <Laney> yo
[09:03] <duflu> lo Laney
[09:03] <seb128> hey Laney willcooke, good morning u.k
[09:03] <duflu> and hi ricotz
[09:03] <duflu> Morning willcooke
[09:03] <willcooke> morning all
[09:03] <willcooke> hi duflu
[09:05] <ricotz> happy new year too :)
[09:06]  * Laney nods
[09:06] <didrocks> hey willcooke, Laney, ricotz
[09:06] <ricotz> seb128, I am good, hoping to catch up a bit
[09:06] <Laney> hey duflu seb128 didrocks ricotz willcooke
[09:08] <oSoMoN> good morning ricotz, happy new year
[09:08] <Trevinho> Morning!
[09:08] <oSoMoN> good morning Laney, willcooke, Trevinho
[09:09] <Trevinho> Hey oSoMoN, all good? ☺
[09:09] <oSoMoN> all good! you?
[09:10] <duflu> Trevinho, good morning, or longitudinally appropriate greeting
[09:11] <Trevinho> oSoMoN: yes thanks
[09:11] <Trevinho> duflu: ahaha, yeah morning is fine now
[09:12] <ricotz> hey didrocks Laney oSoMoN
[09:12] <seb128> hey trevinho
[09:29] <Trevinho> seb128: hi :-)
[10:24] <clobrano> hi everyone 0/
[10:25] <clobrano> didrocks: do you know if is it safe to use https://manpages.debian.org/jessie/git-buildpackage/git-dch.1.en.html for generating the changelog?
[10:25] <clobrano> I just tried and the output looks fine at a first glance
[10:25] <andyrock> morning!
[10:31] <didrocks> clobrano: yeah, that's what I used as well TBH ;)
[10:31] <clobrano> didrocks: yay, thanks :D
[10:31] <didrocks> Too many details sometimes though
[10:31] <didrocks> but if that's fine by you, don't really bother ;)
[10:32] <clobrano> didrocks: I agree, I might modify something for very long merge branches like gtk2-dark. But it's still a huge help
[10:33] <didrocks> yep, good scaffolding at least
[13:03]  * Laney just did some Clouding™
[13:03] <Laney> added some new machines to host appstream.ubuntu.com and deleted the old ones
[13:03] <Laney> it mostly worked magically
[13:04] <Laney> that's the cloud equivalent of "laney just opened firefox and read the news"
[13:14] <willcooke> :)
[13:24] <clobrano> Laney, didrocks: changelog ready
[13:25] <Laney> neat
[13:25] <didrocks> great!
[14:31] <seb128> (on our way to start the meeting, just finishing an hangout)
[14:32] <willcooke> sorry for the delay
[14:33] <willcooke> ok
[14:33] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting 2019-01-08
[14:33] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jan  8 14:33:43 2019 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[14:34] <willcooke> Roll call: andyrock, dgadomski, didrocks, duflu (out), jbicha, jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine, laney, oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[14:34] <tseliot> o/
[14:34] <seb128> _o/
[14:34] <andyrock> o/
[14:34] <didrocks> hey
[14:34] <Nafallo> o/
[14:34] <Trevinho> o/
[14:34] <oSoMoN> o/
[14:34] <jbicha> 🎉
[14:34] <willcooke> Happy new year!
[14:34] <kenvandine> o/
[14:34] <willcooke> Ok, so this will probably be a very short meeting
[14:35] <willcooke> Everyone was on holiday, so not much in the way of weekly updates
[14:35] <jibel> o/
[14:35] <willcooke> Ive looked at the rls bugs, not much to see there
[14:35] <willcooke> BB Incoming is clear
[14:36] <willcooke> CC Incoming is clear
[14:36] <willcooke> DD Incoming is clear
[14:37] <willcooke> Just looking at the tracking bugs
[14:38] <willcooke> BB has a few, but they all look like they are in hand
[14:38] <willcooke> This one has an open question: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/1807460
[14:39] <seb128> I'm dealing with it
[14:39] <tjaalton> oops, o/
[14:39] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[14:39] <willcooke> Everything else is in hand by the looks of things
[14:40] <willcooke> Laney, do you want to take us through the proposed-migration list?
[14:40] <kenvandine> :-D
[14:40] <willcooke> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[14:40] <Laney> k
[14:41] <Laney> things that I think need someone assigning are
[14:41] <Laney> ubuntu-make tests, libtheora tests, promoting nautilus stuff, glib2.0 build failure
[14:42]  * Laney will look at the last one, perhaps jbicha reported that somewhere already
[14:42] <jbicha> I didn't report yet
[14:42] <Laney> k nm
[14:43] <willcooke> Ubuntu Make tests, didrocks do you know if there is an active community maintainer for that?  I dropped an email to who I thought it was but didnt hear back.  It was over xmas though
[14:44] <didrocks> willcooke: I doubt he's really active or will know what to do with the ssl issue
[14:44] <seb128> I can look at the nautilus promotion
[14:44] <didrocks> can be as simple as test certificates expering
[14:44] <didrocks> or maybe will be way more complex and a python changes being API backward incompatible
[14:45] <willcooke> is the Make one affecting anything else atm?  Is it a high priority issue?
[14:45] <didrocks> (which already happened in the ssl modules, even the third digit "patch fix" serie has broken one)
[14:45] <didrocks> willcooke: I think it's blocking some pygobject promotion from what I see
[14:45] <seb128> I don't think it's blocking anything else
[14:45] <seb128> ah
[14:45] <willcooke> hehe
[14:46] <seb128> right, holidays wiped my memory about that :p
[14:46] <didrocks> (apport as well is blocking it btw)
[14:46] <seb128> (I think apport goes down to valgrind needing to be fixed at this point that got assigned to Dimitri by Steve yesterday)
[14:47] <didrocks> ok, so it's only Ubuntu Make
[14:47] <willcooke> didrocks, would you mind adding it to your list for when you get a chance to look at it?
[14:47] <didrocks> willcooke: if we agree to delay the isntaller work, yes
[14:47] <didrocks> but it can mean a week pushing off, and we are already late on it
[14:48] <didrocks> (last ssl issue was a week of debugging, hence that value)
[14:48] <didrocks> and the issue was python itself
[14:48] <willcooke> Well, if you can take a very quick look to see if it's easy, and if not... then we can revisit
[14:48] <didrocks> define "very quick" please :)
[14:48] <willcooke> didrocks, 3 hours
[14:48] <seb128> that's not quick :p
[14:48] <didrocks> k, let's see if I can get anything by this
[14:49] <willcooke> thx
[14:49] <seb128> thx didrocks
[14:49] <willcooke> Who can look at the libtheora one?
[14:49] <seb128> didrocks, if you know how to easily check if it's an expired certificate issue or a real bug just do that, if it's a real bug let's revisit who can own it?
[14:50] <didrocks> seb128: I don't know, I have to look back at the code which certificate is used first
[14:50] <didrocks> so, need digging
[14:50] <seb128> k
[14:50] <didrocks> then browsing on the web
[14:50] <seb128> so what willcooke said
[14:50] <seb128> not more than a couple hours
[14:50] <seb128> then we revisit
[14:50] <didrocks> 3 hours is short already to get that
[14:51] <seb128> willcooke, I can look at libtheora, seems to be due to valgrind as well
[14:51] <didrocks> or anyone else be my guest and be quicker ;)
[14:51] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[14:51] <willcooke> k, that takes care of the list
[14:51] <willcooke> #topic AOB
[14:51] <willcooke> Anyone got anything they'd like to talk about?
[14:52] <willcooke> 5
[14:52] <willcooke> 4
[14:52] <andyrock> nope
[14:52] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[14:52] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jan  8 14:52:45 2019 UTC.
[14:52] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2019/ubuntu-desktop.2019-01-08-14.33.moin.txt
[14:52] <willcooke> Thanks all
[14:52] <andyrock> thx
[14:52] <Laney> ty
[14:53] <seb128> thx
[15:00] <didrocks> just tried, and worked on cosmic…
[15:00] <didrocks> so not expired certificate
[15:00] <didrocks> python again changed something in its ABI
[15:02] <willcooke> grrrr
[15:04] <seb128> should we just bounce back to foundations/doko?
[15:05] <didrocks> last time I tried on ssl, it was a "needed fix"
[15:05] <didrocks> needs to dig deeper, but I'm sure the exception they return has changed and that's why the test fails
[15:06] <didrocks> but will look at it later, need a disco vm or upgrading maybe
[15:07] <didrocks> the question is why a python upload doesn't trigger all autopkgtests
[15:11] <Trevinho> willcooke: when you've a sec, please new team updates post :)
[15:13] <willcooke> Trevinho, thanks for the reminder. Done
[15:13] <willcooke> https://community.ubuntu.com/t/monday-14th-january-2019/9344
[15:13] <Trevinho> nw, and tha
[15:15]  * Laney hands Trevinho a pen to push around
[15:16]  * Trevinho can't write
[15:17]  * seb128 hands trevinho a text editor
[18:48] <willcooke> night all


[01:50] <micahg> this is good news if their schedule keeps and we keep it seeded: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTAyMzE (gimp 2.8 close to release)
[03:26] <pleia2> stickers: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/6463719329/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/6463719291/
[03:26] <pleia2> as you can see from the second, the black outline on the sheet isn't actually on the sticker itself
[03:27] <Unit193> My goodness I feel sorry for that laptop ;)
[03:27] <Unit193> They look rather nice
[03:27] <pleia2> my laptop loves me <3
[03:27] <pleia2> it loves sparkles and ponies
[03:27] <Unit193> Too bad the blue wasn't darker though :/
[03:28] <pleia2> the flash might have washed it out a bit, hard to get accurately colored photos of small things
[10:45] <micahg> knome: you pick a time I can't come :)
[10:46] <knome> micahg, can you come if i move it to some direction with an hour or so?
[10:48] <micahg> knome: an hour before this week, normally it's fine at that time, I have a previous engagement at 20:00 UTC this thursday
[10:49] <knome> so 17UTC?
[10:49] <knome> or what :)
[10:49] <micahg> knome: meetings aren't necessarily incumbent on my being present though
[10:49] <knome> yeah, i know
[10:49] <knome> do you have the draft for the release stuff ready?
[10:49] <micahg> 18:00 UTC would work fine for me this week ,19:00 in the future is fine, I can only stay for an hour though
[10:49] <knome> ah
[10:49] <knome> yeah
[10:49] <micahg> knome: I'll draft later tonight
[10:49] <knome> i hope to get the meetings done in 1 hour
[10:50] <knome> this meeting time is in no way written in the stone
[19:19] <madnick> Todays images seems to work
[20:56] <Unit193> You know what?


[00:01] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: standup?
[00:49] <thumper> wallyworld: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8220
[00:49] <thumper> I'm going to make coffee
[00:49] <wallyworld> ok, looking
[00:49] <thumper> wallyworld: I'm asking for a review because it isn't just a backport
[00:49] <thumper> but it is sufficient for what we need
[00:49] <wallyworld> righto
[00:49]  * thumper -> coffee
[00:53] <wallyworld> thumper: it looks like just testing chnges, did the PR include a functional change also?
[00:57] <thumper> nope
[00:57] <thumper> wallyworld: interface one up next
[00:57] <thumper> then the functional change
[00:58] <thumper> I'm trying to reduce the scope of the final review
[00:58] <wallyworld> ok
[00:58] <wallyworld> testing one lgtm
[00:59] <thumper> wallyworld: this one has the testing commit and the interface https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8221
[01:00] <wallyworld> righto
[01:44] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8222 plz?
[01:44] <wallyworld> sure
[01:54] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: i made a suggestion
[02:00] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: yeah, thanks - tweaking it now
[02:01] <wallyworld> awesome
[02:07] <wallyworld> thumper: ? 1:1
[02:08] <thumper> yeah, just finishing up with IS call
[03:30] <thumper> wallyworld, jam: review up https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8223
[03:30] <wallyworld> ok
[03:41] <wallyworld> thumper: has the hub watcher stuff been reviewed elsewhere? i think so?
[04:37] <jam> wallyworld: I reviewed it on a target for 2.3, so I'll give Tim's branch a review here.
[06:33] <wallyworld> jam: i have a small PR to add caas application-config to the applocation entity in the juju/description repo (if you have a chance) https://github.com/juju/description/pull/32
[08:31] <thumper> wallyworld, jam: I'm probably going to miss the team standup tomorrow as my daughter has a school end of year assembly where she is getting a prize
[08:31] <thumper> so I should be there :)
[19:22] <thumper> morning
[19:22] <thumper> balloons: I realised that I probably won't be around for the release call due to a school assembly that I need to be at
[19:22] <thumper> balloons: got time to chat now?
[19:23] <balloons> thumper, ohh, morning
[19:23] <balloons> give me 5
[19:24] <thumper> ack
[19:28] <balloons> ok, hopping into release call thumper
[19:28] <thumper> ok
[20:33] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: ping?
[20:43] <thumper> balloons: managed to reproduce failure...
[20:43] <thumper> and it happens on both 2.2.7 and 2.3.2
[20:43] <thumper> which makes me happier
[20:44] <balloons> oO?
[20:49] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: hey
[20:51] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: sorry, had you been waiting for me to do that description review?
[20:52] <wallyworld> not really, i only just added it at my EOD
[20:52] <babbageclunk> ok cool
[20:52] <wallyworld> i need it for today, so all good, ty
[20:53] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: thanks for the version pickup in setApplications, i missed that
[20:53] <wallyworld> there should be a test for that stuff
[20:53] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: no worries. Can you look at this audit log errors one? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8225
[20:53] <wallyworld> to ensure that the model has all the latest versions set
[20:54] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: yeah, true
[20:54] <wallyworld> sure, i'll need 30 mins - just woke up
[20:57] <babbageclunk> no hurry.
[20:57] <thumper> balloons: a subordinate charm with no relations is being confused for a principal
[20:58] <thumper> balloons: so we are asking for constraints
[20:58] <thumper> however juju status doesn't show any difference between a subordinate with no relations, and a normal charm with no units
[20:58] <balloons> thumper, ahh.. I was confused why that made you happy, but I get wanting consistency
[20:59] <thumper> I ended up bootstrapping two controllers
[20:59] <thumper> and doing the exact same thing on both
[20:59] <thumper> and was getting the same results
[20:59] <thumper> finally worked out what it might have been
[20:59] <thumper> and it failed on both
[20:59] <balloons> wallyworld, babbageclunk we still on to talk upgrade testing in 30 mins?
[20:59] <thumper> so, yes, consistence
[20:59] <babbageclunk> balloons: yup yup
[20:59] <balloons> brillant, ty
[20:59] <thumper> ok, I'm about to head off, back after lunch
[21:00] <babbageclunk> gah, thumper - can I quickly get your opinion?
[21:01] <babbageclunk> or wallyworld, since he really is away?
[21:02] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: re exclude list for audit logging it occurred to me that we don't want empty conversations (where the requests and responses are all for uninteresting API methods) clogging up the log.
[21:05] <babbageclunk> so what I'm planning on doing is buffering up the conversation (with any uninteresting API requests/responses) in the recorder until we see an interesting request, at which point the buffered conversation and req/resps will also be written. Does that sound sensible or crazy?
[21:08] <babbageclunk> anyway, I'll talk to you about it at the end of the meeting.
[22:22] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: did you want to  talk now?
[22:22] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: sorry give me 5?
[22:22] <wallyworld> sure
[22:26] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: ok now's good
[22:26] <babbageclunk> in 1:1?
[22:28] <wallyworld> ok
[22:58] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: lgtm with a suggestion
[23:04] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: thanks!
[23:55] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: i'm having trouble joining hte call


[01:31] <bluesabre> Happy to see this finally fixed, lp 1774838
[01:49] <Unit193> ...I did the panel package but forgotted to puuuush.
[01:54] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/experimental/+sourcepub/9166620/+listing-archive-extra
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[02:07] <Unit193> Backported dh-autoreconf to 'experimental' for bionic too. :P
[02:15] <Unit193> now xfce4-panel is PPA'd.
[02:30] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 18.10 - amd64 - amd64 built.
[03:08] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 18.10 - amd64 - amd64 built.
[06:21] <flocculant> Unit193: updgrading - see new panel, seems a bunch of plugins are going to be removed - https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6sxpxb4rGk/
[06:21] <flocculant> not done it yet though - slipping out for a while
[06:26] <Unit193> xfce4-panel (>= 4.11), xfce4-panel (<< 4.13)
[06:26] <Unit193> Urgh..
[08:02] <Unit193> flocculant: Looking into it now.
[08:03] <Unit193> ...Well this is fun, so there's a few: grep-dctrl -n -FDepends -sPackage "xfce4-panel (<< 4.13)" /var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_bionic*amd64_Packages
[08:03] <Unit193> Uploading all for a rebuild...
[08:04] <Unit193> So to sum up: xfce4-panel will cause a transition, thunar will cause a smaller transition, and xfconf will cause a transition.
[08:04] <Unit193> I think one of you guys must really hate me or something. >_>
[09:32] <Unit193> flocculant: Upgrades should all go smoothly, and you should be able to get rid of the old libxfconf library, well except for ristretto.
[18:18] <albinard> Just installed Xubuntu Core 18.10 first alpha (complete with warning), it installed and runs perfectly!
[18:19] <albinard> Sent my test report to the QA
[18:20] <knome> :)
[20:25] <k3dAR> hi, question about "Xubuntu QA Experimental" PPA, today set of updates packages is only for 18.10 and with use this PPA on 18.04 and do full-upgrade is missed many packages and apt try remove many xfce packages... will be this "fixed"? or 18.04 is from now not supported in this PPA? thx
[20:27] <Unit193> I haven't pushed a rebuild for the panel plugins to Bionic, and some depend on xfce4-panel (<< 4.13)
[20:37] <k3dAR> thanks :-) and is please posible do it? or is any technical problem?
[20:42] <Unit193> I wasn't planning on it, since testing should likely be done more on Cosmic, but should be doable.
[20:44] <Unit193> k3dAR: Starting the upload now...
[20:45] <Unit193> Also, since this is development builds, they have a chance to break.  We're also evaluating whether we want to ship everything in Cosmic, so if you run into any problems we'd love to hear them.
[20:49] <k3dAR> many thanks :-) I would understand if the support of 18.04 was stopped(complete remove 18.04 or remove today libxfce4panel-2.0-4  and xfce4-panel and keep set of previous non removable set), but it would be a pity when it is the last lts
[20:50] <k3dAR> of course, if i have any problem, i report it... i use xubuntu 18.04 + xubuntu-dev ppa as primary system/nb...
[20:50] <Unit193> Bionic is only getting them because it is $current_release, not because it's LTS.
[20:51] <k3dAR> is any actual bug report page on another place that launchpad where is look like unused? or report it here on irc channel? or any mailing list?
[20:52] <k3dAR> understand, then after release 18.10, will be ppa for 18.04 stoped? i think from history that support yours dev ppa for 16.04 will be until 18.04 relases or not?
[20:53] <k3dAR> btw: sorry for me bad english :-)
[20:54] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/experimental/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=bionic they're all buildin'.  While usually it's recommended to report them to launchpad or Xfce's bugzilla, since these are in a PPA and we're evaluating whether to ship them or not I'd say we'd be specifically interested so IRC or the devel mailing list
[20:54] <Unit193> would be good.  And, well thses aren't really *backports*, they're more development releases.  I don't personally like trying to backport to the last LTS as it gets considerably more difficult as time moves on, but I'm not the only dev in the Xubuntu team. :)
[20:56] <Unit193> GTK3 version requirements get bumped higher than the LTS has, and libraries change (eg, we'll likely switch xfce4-indicator-plugin to use Ayatana indicators in cosmic, this would break on Bionic.)
[21:03] <k3dAR> build finished, published and i have succesfully all upgraded, i do restart lighdm session now...
[21:06] <k3dAR> Unit193: at first glance it's not any problem :-) thanks
[21:07] <Unit193> You're welcome.
[21:11] <k3dAR> and i see that in xfce panel settings is now localised "Backup and Restore" button, nice, i reported this before :-)
[21:20] <Unit193> flocculant: Can I get some QA buy-in on this, btw?
[21:37] <k3dAR> Unit193: i try all updates plugins (cpugraph mailwatch notes panel places quicklauncher sensors timer verve weather), add to panel and configure it, all work... only new plugin messenger i don't know if work, in panel settings not have icon and not posibility to configure
[21:39] <Unit193> k3dAR: To be clear, while some of these are new plugins, most are just rebuilt against the new xfce4-panel.  The messanger plugin is a very old plugin, and as far as I know doesn't even really have a home.  I'd be surprised if that one worked.
[21:40] <Unit193> xfce4-linelight-plugin xfce4-radio-plugin xfce4-hdaps are all oooold.
[21:55] <k3dAR> when talking about old plugins, is any chance of resurection of thunar-shares-plugin? :-)
[21:58] <k3dAR> ugh, 9year about 0.2 in git now see 0.3 version from 3 month ago
[21:59] <Unit193> https://git.xfce.org/thunar-plugins/thunar-shares-plugin/commit/?id=9f9d2429217838b3b8375e41ab3675412cf1d0ed but seems it was only ported..
[22:04] <k3dAR> yes, already downloaded and try compile, but thunarx is new for me :-)
[22:11] <k3dAR> ok, needed package libthunarx-3-dev
[22:12] <Unit193> (RFP - #672539) http://bugs.debian.org/672539 thunar-shares-plugin
[22:24] <k3dAR_> Unit193: thunar-shares-plugin compiled&installed ok, but in folder properties not present :-) (user is in sambashare group, lightdm restarted) anyway good is after many years somebody work on it :-)
[22:29] <Unit193> k3dAR_: I don't think it's really being worked on, just ported to the new thunar and gtk3. And you have to set the prefix to use it with system panel.
[22:34] <k3dAR_> understand, i just want try it ;-) prefix set using autogen parameter as in README, that find where is thunarx prefix, /usr... also i look in README where is some usershare parameters for smb.conf, though mentioned is not need by user set from 8.04, but who know :-)
[22:41] <k3dAR_> Unit193: modify smb.conf not help, but youre right, i have some problem with prefix, autoget show /usr, but install is to / ;-)
[22:46] <k3dAR_> my bad, autogen show /usr before when i try with thunarx-3 parameter, but after i install correct dev package, then i use thunarx-1 as is in README and this not set preffix... anyway with right prefix /usr and really installed to /usr not show in folder properties
[22:58] <k3dAR_> Unit193: ok, now in folder properties is shared tab, set share using it add to usershare ("net usershare list" show it) and via network is accessed :-) only problem was (as you say) with prefix, command from README set prefix to /usr, install put plugin in path /usr/lib/thunarx-3, but i look that real path for plugins (where i have already other installed thunar plugins) is /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/thunarx-3, and if manualy
[23:03] <k3dAR_> https://s22.postimg.cc/juzn06wcx/thunar-1.8_with_thunar-shares-plugin-0.3.png
[23:16] <Unit193> So the plugin actually works?
[23:18] <k3dAR_> yes
[23:18] <Unit193> Hrm..
[23:26] <k3dAR_> in source is only need fix detection of plugin path(try find here but not sure where) and in README for configure+autogen s/thunarx-1/thunarx-3/


[08:27] <lolek> hi guys
[08:30] <lolek> I'm still trying to build my own kernel, and it seems there are still some problems with it, here is the latest error: http://www.pasteall.org/55906 I've made my own flavour named: i7