[16:19] <Menzador> Hi everyone. Could somebody please check to see if the topic grumble set is correct?
[16:21] <mapreri> it is.  (well, it's the same it was before)
[16:22] <Menzador> Thanks. I was just following up from his post in #ubuntu-ops about it. :) Carry on
[16:23] <Menzador> He'd noticed someone hijacked


[01:45] <lifeless> would someone like to review my zconfig patch, as the maintainer seems to not be doing so :(
[02:09] <wgrant> lifeless: Hm?
[02:09] <wgrant> lifeless: You proposed it into an import
[02:09] <wgrant> I'm not surprised nobody reviewed it
[02:09] <lifeless> abel did that previously; I commented on the bug to grab freds attention too :)
[02:14] <StevenK> I guess foo = [bar if bar.active and bar.baz in supported for bar in all_bars] is malformed?
[02:14] <lifeless> it may want brackets
[02:14] <lifeless> because you have two ins
[02:15] <StevenK> if (bar.active and bar.baz in supported) also gives syntax error
[02:16] <lifeless> oh
[02:16] <lifeless> lol
[02:16] <lifeless> the if goes at the end
[02:16] <lifeless> [bar for bar in all_bars if bar.active and bar.baz in supported]
[02:16] <StevenK> lifeless: Ah! Indeed, thanks
[02:48] <StevenK> Bleh, Launchpad.login_with('foo', 'dogfood') doesn't work :-(
[04:15] <StevenK> wallyworld_: O hai -- do you know much about StormStatementRecorder? I'm invalidating my store, but still can't get it to actually make a query
[04:15] <wallyworld_> you mean record a query?
[04:17] <wallyworld_> it's normally used after flushing the store, eg
[04:17] <wallyworld_>             Store.of(bug).flush()
[04:17] <wallyworld_>             with StormStatementRecorder() as recorder:
[04:17] <wallyworld_>                 previous_dup.markAsDuplicate(bug)
[04:17] <wallyworld_>                 self.assertThat(recorder, HasQueryCount(LessThan(95)))
[04:18] <StevenK> I'm suspecting that it isn't working for the webservice
[04:18] <wallyworld_> i wonder why if that's the case. i can't see why the webservice would not play nicely with it
[04:20] <StevenK> wallyworld_: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1186788/
[04:21] <wallyworld_> hmmm. how come you can't test this using the recipes() method directly as part of a unit test?
[04:29] <StevenK> wallyworld_: If I use owner.recipes[0], I get one query. I'm wanting to use the API because lazr marshalls the vocab that the recipe includes and that involves at least two queries, per recipe.
[04:30] <wallyworld_> the vocab marshalling is a constant count though right? and outside our control? so do we need to measure it for these tests?
[04:30] <StevenK> So I've rewritten the vocab, so it shouldn't make any queries, which is exactly what I'm trying to test.
[04:31] <wallyworld_> can you test that as a unit test on the vocab?
[04:31] <StevenK> Personally, I'd like to see it on the API
[04:32] <wallyworld_> i'm not sure why its not working sadly
[04:32] <wallyworld_> i'd have to fire up the debugger and see what's going on
[04:33] <StevenK> wallyworld_: Could I bug you to do so while I do it as well and we'll meet in the middle?
[04:33] <wallyworld_> ok
[04:37] <wgrant> StevenK: launchpadlib_for requires AppServerLayer, doesn't it?
[04:38] <wgrant> Which means it connects to a real appserver
[04:38] <wgrant> So a statement recorder in the test process isn't going to do you much good
[04:38] <wgrant> Also, don't use launchpadlib in tests
[04:38] <wgrant> It's even slower than Launchpad
[04:39] <StevenK> wgrant: Then how I can test the marshalling?
[04:40] <StevenK> Or is the easiest answer "Just don't" ?
[04:40] <wgrant> StevenK: webservice_for_person
[04:40] <wgrant> Gives you a rawer interface
[04:41] <wgrant> Without all the wadllib etc. overhead
[04:41] <wgrant> Just dealing with JSON
[04:41] <wallyworld_> StevenK: QueryCollector is think is what you want to use
[04:41] <wallyworld_> it seems to be the way to collect sql statements for ws interactions?
[04:42] <wgrant> QueryCollector uses the stuff in the request, I think, but it probably still only works if the request is in-process
[04:42] <wgrant> SSR should work fine with webservice_for
[04:43] <StevenK> Now I'm stuck on how to get at the recipes
[04:43] <wgrant> Oh?
[04:45] <StevenK> As changing the ws_owner.recipes[0] call
[04:46] <wgrant> I'd get the recipe from the DB and call canonical_url on it
[04:51] <StevenK> wgrant: Hah, except that canonical_url includes code.launchpad.dev, and webservice_for_person wants no part of that.
[04:53]  * StevenK sprinkles in force_local_path
[04:56] <StevenK> Right, that test in devel is 34 queries. With my rewritten vocab, 28.
[04:57] <wgrant> :)
[04:57] <wgrant> How'd you do it?
[04:57] <wgrant> No longer a SimpleVocabulary?
[04:58] <StevenK> Yeah, it's now a IHugeVocabulary
[05:01] <StevenK> wgrant: Do you want to see a diff or shall I just put it up for review?
[05:07] <wgrant> StevenK: Review!
[05:19] <StevenK> wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/sane-buildable-distroseries/+merge/122791
[05:31] <wgrant> wallyworld_: Your stuff made it through buildbot finally
[05:55] <wallyworld_> yes indeed
[05:55] <wallyworld_> it's even ready for qa
[06:04] <wgrant> StevenK: You have a bit of QA too
[06:09] <StevenK> wgrant: Done.
[06:09] <StevenK> Do we want another deployment?
[06:15] <wgrant> We've not ndted in more than 24 hours!
[06:15] <wgrant> So that's not a question
[06:56] <jam> wgrant: you sound like a junky trying to get his fix. "Maaannn, I haven't had an NDT in 24-hours maaannn. i gotta score some NDT"
[07:03] <wgrant> Heh
[07:40] <adeuring> good morning
[08:42] <nigelb> bigjools: heh, we got a pycharm license at work since all our work is open source :)
[08:47] <bigjools> :)
[10:37] <ev> just to confirm, there's no way to go from a binary package to a source package in the API, right? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-launchpadlib/+bug/597041 leads me to believe this.
[10:37] <_mup_> Bug #597041: No way to get from binary package to source package <amd64> <api> <apport-bug> <lp-soyuz> <maverick> <ppa> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> <python-launchpadlib (Ubuntu):Invalid> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/597041 >
[10:43] <wgrant> ev: There are no binary or source *packages* exposed in the API, just publications of those packages  -- do you mean binary_package_publishing_history and source_package_publishing_history?
[10:43] <wgrant> If so, that's correct, there's no present way to do it
[10:43] <ev> yes, that
[10:44] <ev> hmm okay
[10:44] <ev> thanks
[10:45] <cjwatson> Indeed.  In auto-sync I just worked around it by reading current Sources files.
[10:45] <cjwatson> Which isn't great but in context it's workable enough.
[10:49] <ev> hm, we actually send the source package up in the reports that apport generates
[10:49] <ev> so I'll just grab the first instance from the db for now
[12:22] <stub> No handlers for logger bzr. Does this mean I need to setup that VM now?
[12:23] <stub> TacException: Error running ['/usr/bin/python2.7', '-Wignore::DeprecationWarning', '/home/stub/lp/replication/bin/twistd', '-o', '-y', '/home/stub/lp/replication/daemons/librarian.tac', '--pidfile', '/tmp/tmpeX98el/librarian.pid', '--logfile', '/tmp/tmpeX98el/librarian.log']: unclean stdout/err: No handlers could be found for logger "bzr"
[12:27] <stub> lp_sitecustomize should be fixing that :-/
[12:27] <mgz> stub: means you need to do whichever update launchpad deps you need today
[12:28] <stub> I'll try that again, but I think I'm fully up to date.
[12:28] <mgz> but yeah, if the branch includes my lp_sitecustomise change, I'm suprised there's still a test failure
[12:28] <stub> Not my branch, just looking at the code that is supposed to make this problem go away.
[12:31] <mgz> what's the last rev in the branch with the test failure?
[12:46] <stub> And now I can't even build mailman... grrr...
[12:47] <wgrant> stub: make clean_buildout compile
[12:47] <stub> Yeah, just let me remove the pdb.debug() from lp_sitecustomize.py
[12:57] <stub> hit it harder, it is ok now.
[13:54] <bac> hi jam and mgz, since you've taken an interest in the canonistack instance we're running, i wonder if you'd like to review a branch i just did that opens up management of it to ~launchpad?  it's at https://code.launchpad.net/~bac/lp-tarmac-configs/add-launchpad-members/+merge/122877
[13:56]  * mgz has a look
[13:57] <mgz> Unauthorized: (<Branch u'~bac/lp-tarmac-configs/add-launchpad-members' (651325)>, 'landing_targets', 'launchpad.View')
[13:58] <mgz> bac: maybe you could also open up the branch to launchpad members? :)
[13:58] <bac> mgz: i just tried and thought i had
[13:58] <bac> let me lok
[13:58] <bac> look
[13:59] <bac> mgz: try now
[13:59] <mgz> 200
[14:03] <mgz> is get_lp_people correct? only deals with a limited level of team nesting
[14:03] <mgz> I guess we're not that deeply nested in launchpad anyway...
[14:05] <bac> mgz: team.participants does multiple levels, i believe
[14:06] <mgz> ah, it's a flattened list of everything?
[14:07] <bac> mgz, yes, as compared to .members
[14:09] <abentley> Anyone else getting "AssertionError: newInteraction called while another interaction is active." on ec2 runs?
[14:23] <abentley> deryck: Any idea about this? ^^^
[14:25] <deryck> abentley, isn't that from when you're using one of the page test browsers and don't logout before starting a new operation?
[14:25] <abentley> deryck: Okay, I'll see if that could be it.
[16:07] <abentley> adeuring: reconcile_access_for_artifact is not working for me.  Has all the necessary code been merged?  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1187456/
[16:08] <adeuring> abentley: no, it's only in my branch....
[16:11] <abentley> adeuring: Okay, I need a working IAccessArtifactSource.ensure([blueprint]), so I'll wait on your work for the grants.
[16:11] <adeuring> ok
[16:13] <abentley> adeuring: I'll focus on the subscriptions.
[16:13] <adeuring> abentley: but the fix for the the error is really simple
[16:13] <adeuring> abentley: one more "elif ISpeicification.porvidedBy(...)" in _constraintForConcrete()
[16:14] <abentley> adeuring: Okay.
[19:54] <abentley> sinzui: I'm working on Specification.transitionToInformationType, and looking at the bug version, but having trouble understanding who should be automatically subscribed to a Specification.
[19:55] <sinzui> the bug version is being removed in a few weeks. No one needs to be subscribed to bugs when every project uses bugs
[19:55] <sinzui> sharing I mean
[19:55] <sinzui> So the transition only needs to unsubscribe the people who do not already have access
[19:55] <sinzui> You might want to subscribe the person making the change so that they can undo it
[20:28] <abentley> sinzui: Okay, and the idea is that anyone else who needs access will get it by an AccessPolicyGrant?  What about the owner-- it seems like they might not have access via the policy.
[20:29] <sinzui> The owner of the blueprint?
[20:30] <abentley> sinzui: Yes, the owner of the blueprint.
[20:31] <sinzui> What do we do for branches? oh, we give the owner a subscription that the project owner can later revoke
[20:32] <sinzui> abentley, I think this is an odd corner case. This is like a random person creating a blueprint on my project that just happens to relate to a real secret thing I am working on
[20:32] <sinzui> This is unlikely to happen, and if it does, the non-contributor is probably in the wrong
[20:34] <sinzui> abentley, I am sharing ~canonical with all its commercial projects so that our organisation has full access. We advise every commercial project to to do that, I don't think we need to subscribe the blueprint owner or anyone other that the person that changed the information type
[20:34] <abentley> sinzui: Cool.
[20:35] <abentley> sinzui: Thanks for the clarification.
[20:36] <sinzui> np
[22:13] <StevenK> wgrant: e3522ed011014e61b507a1d730726769
[22:30] <StevenK> sinzui: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?iso=20120905&p1=240&p2=136&p3=263
[23:35] <StevenK> wgrant: I guess bug 1046024 is untestable and should be marked as such?
[23:35] <_mup_> Bug #1046024: product release finder ignores .apk files <product-release-finder> <qa-needstesting> <trivial> <Launchpad itself:Fix Committed by sinzui> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1046024 >
[23:36] <wgrant> StevenK: Right
[23:49] <StevenK> wgrant: I guess bug 892511 can be nailed shut since the reoccurance was due to the DC move and sorted out quickly afterward?
[23:49] <_mup_> Bug #892511: recipe build: ERROR: no such option: --allow-fallback-to-native <recipe> <regression> <Launchpad itself:Confirmed> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/892511 >
[23:53] <wgrant> StevenK: Indeed.
[23:53] <wgrant> I wish people wouldn't reopen old long-closed bugs :(
[23:55] <StevenK> I think bug 940168 is fixed too
[23:55] <_mup_> Bug #940168: Two merge requests created on double-click <regression> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/940168 >
[23:55] <wgrant> It's not
[23:55] <StevenK> I've not been able to trigger it
[23:56] <wgrant> StevenK: Just click it twice quickly
[23:56] <wgrant> While the first one is still spinning


[00:37] <bailtree> I've worked on a bug, does anyone want to check that I've done what i'm supposed to have done?
[00:52] <bailtree> could this bug be triaged? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1865063
[00:56] <bailtree> nevermind, I realise its too early for that


[22:45] <bkerensa> ohai
[22:45] <bkerensa> :D
[22:46] <bkerensa> this channel doesn't change too much over years :)
[22:47] <wxl> yeah :(
[22:47] <wxl> at least we're still here
[22:47] <bkerensa> hah
[22:47] <bkerensa> indeed
[22:47] <bkerensa> wxl: you go up to lfnw?
[22:47] <wxl> no not this year
[22:47] <wxl> i ran out of vacation
[22:47] <bkerensa> coming to open source bridge?
[22:47] <bkerensa> :D
[22:48] <wxl> maybe!
[22:48] <bkerensa> sgclark: you open source bridge? ^
[22:48] <bkerensa> Well I should be there for either Red Hat or Mozilla
[22:48] <bkerensa> not sure which yet
[22:48] <wxl> are you working for both of them now??
[22:49] <bkerensa> No
[22:49] <bkerensa> but both want me there for them to have a presence
[22:49] <bkerensa> I am doing Glucosio full time now
[22:49] <wxl> nice
[22:50] <bkerensa> actually trying to find someone to work on our Ubuntu Phone app
[22:50] <bkerensa> :)
[22:50] <wxl> oh nice
[22:50] <bkerensa> if you know someone let me know
[22:51] <wxl> i'd just announce it on the ubuntu-touch list
[22:51] <wxl> it's aflurry with activity
[22:53] <sgclark> dunno what open source bridge is
[22:54] <sgclark> and me going anywhere or doing anything is all dependent on Intel layoffs heh
[22:54] <bkerensa> @sgclark : http://opensourcebridge.org/
[22:54] <meetingology> bkerensa: Error: "sgclark" is not a valid command.
[22:55] <bkerensa> the best oss event in PNW imho
[22:55] <bkerensa> far better than LFNW or OSCON
[22:56] <sgclark> If I still live here, perhaps I will go. Though those dates.. I may be in Switzerland
[22:59] <bkerensa> sgclark: yeah the Intel thing is sucky my moms partner has worked for intel for 20+ years
[22:59] <bkerensa> she thinks she will be ok though as she works in R&D and makes the newer cutting edge wafers they are using for mobile CPU
[23:00] <bkerensa> but who knows
[23:00] <bkerensa> :)
[23:00] <bkerensa> I think she actually wishes they would lay her off so she can take severance and retire
[23:00] <bkerensa> I hear much of the cuts will be in business and marketing areas
[23:01] <bkerensa> and in areas not working on product they plan to be their focus in the future
[23:01] <sgclark> ah somewhat comforting to hear
[23:01] <bkerensa> so if your working on desktop wafers in the fab or testing desktop software your probably in trouble
[23:01] <bkerensa> but server, mobile, R&D, drivers etc probably ok
[23:02] <bkerensa> U.S. will take the most layoffs though because other countries have strong labor laws that make layoffs harder
[23:02] <bkerensa> sgclark:  what area do you work in?
[23:02] <sgclark> husband just started in a new department not long ago. r&d failures lab. dunno how that will affect his future ( being new in the dept )
[23:02] <sgclark> bkerensa: not me, my husband that supports me
[23:02] <bkerensa> oh
[23:03] <bkerensa> Im sure he will be ok
[23:03] <sgclark> how else would I be able to work ungodly hours for free? :)
[23:03] <bkerensa> they usually lay off older more senior employees first
[23:03] <bkerensa> because they get paid better
[23:03] <bkerensa> and have more expensive benefits
[23:03] <sgclark> ah true
[23:03] <sgclark> still stinks just waiting for word
[23:04] <bkerensa> Well if you dont hear by end of week your probably ok
[23:04] <sgclark> oh well, if he does, I will just have to get a real job.
[23:04] <bkerensa> his manager should know in the next day or so
[23:04] <bkerensa> hah
[23:04] <bkerensa> but this is Portland :) we dont do real jobs
[23:04] <sgclark> ikr


[00:53] <addisonj> huh, the JDK is not avalible from stock repositories on 8.04
[01:55] <accol> hey everyone...is there an alternative to putty which allows the user to see folders instead of typing in a terminal?
[01:56] <giovani> accol: ssh is not a file-serving protocol -- so you're probably looking to use WinSCP or something
[01:57] <accol> thank you....i just need something easy for my gf
[01:57] <accol> she wont learn code lol
[02:01] <nick125> Yeah, WinSCP or gFTP (depending on OS) will work for what you want
[02:48] <qman__> load averages are in percent CPU time being requested, where 1.0 is 100% of one CPU core
[02:49] <qman__> if you have a dual core CPU, numbers above 1.0 are acceptable, since 2.0 is the total available time
[02:49] <qman__> 4.0 on a quad core, etc...
[02:51] <qman__> you can't really judge the effectiveness of niceness by your load average, since if your CPU is idle, it will use that up with nice processes
[02:51] <qman__> the best way is to simply test the functions that should have high priority
[06:15] <XiXaQ> has anyone here been able to use OpenLDAP for Evolution contact sharing? I've followed the guides on help.u-c and others more than once, but Evolution doesn't seem to get it.
[08:12] <artillerytx> IF i need to install imagemagic is that the same as imagemagick
[08:13] <rosa> hi there...i am installing a couple of new hard drives in my server and i want to do a raid 1, but I got the devices are already been in use (I just intalled), I delete the VG and PV that was created autonaticaly, but atill i got the error that are in use...somebody know what could be the problem?
[08:56] <artillerytx> so i was trying to recompile a pacakge and i rang #dpkg-buildpackage
[08:56] <artillerytx> and its just been going through lines and lines of code should i make it stop or just let it run
[09:10] <artillerytx> hey guys if i were to say run "#dpkg-buildpackage" and my computer was spitting out lines and lines of code
[09:10] <artillerytx> i could stop it right and delete the package it was building
[09:11] <artillerytx> no harm no foul
[10:40] <DelphiWorld> hello all
[10:40] <DelphiWorld> please how to use my ubuntu server a a VPN router?
[10:40] <DelphiWorld> (PPTP)
[10:42] <DelphiWorld> how to please
[11:26] <incorrect> hi, can anyone suggest an autobuild system they like?
[12:54] <helloworld32934> Hello everybody, maybe someone can help me. There is a strange behavior with my Samba-Server. I start copying a file (2GB) from a Windows Client in direction to the Samba-Server, the transmission rate is more than poor. While doing this, I start copying a second file (same size) and whoosh, the transmission rate jumps up to the maximum......any idea????
[13:05] <roxy_> hi there, i am installing a new hard drive using evms but when i try to configure with mdadm the raid tell me the drive is already been used. Somebody know how resolve this problem
[13:12] <helloworld32934_> >	Hello everybody, maybe someone can help me. There is a strange behavior with my Samba-Server. I start copying a file (2GB) from a Windows Client in direction to the Samba-Server, the transmission rate is more than poor. While doing this, I start copying a second file (same size) and whoosh, the transmission rate jumps up to the maximum......any idea????
[13:38] <RoyK> helloworld32934_: hard to tell
[13:40] <RoyK> helloworld32934_: have you done some tuning in the config?
[13:40] <RoyK> the standard config says
[13:40] <RoyK> # You may want to add the following on a Linux system:
[13:40] <RoyK> #         SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192
[13:40] <RoyK> Last time I tried adding those flags, it didn't really improve anything, it just made things far worse
[13:41] <helloworld32934_> thnks for the reply....i tried the socket options already, nothing happend...
[13:43] <RoyK> no idea, really, and I'm using samba for rather large file servers at work
[13:43] <davmor2> Hi guys is anyone updating the version of ebox that we have in the repo's at all?  currently listed as 0.12 and current version is 1.2 and has a load of useful features now.
[13:43] <helloworld32934_> the funny thing is the fact, copying one file poor transmission....copying two files at the same time (two seperate tasks) fast transmission.
[13:45] <helloworld32934_> the speed also goes up if I copy from another workstation at the same time, both workstations are running like wild, but if one workstation finished the copy task, the copy speed of the other mashine goes down.
[13:46] <RoyK> helloworld32934_: have you checked packet loss?
[13:46] <RoyK> ifconfig returns some stats
[13:47] <helloworld32934_> no errors, no losses  :-(
[13:48] <helloworld32934_> eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:08:54:d1:04:b7
[13:48] <helloworld32934_>           inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>  Bcast:<IP_ADDRESS>  Mask:<IP_ADDRESS>
[13:49] <helloworld32934_>           inet6 addr: fe80::208:54ff:fed1:4b7/64 Scope:Link
[13:49] <helloworld32934_>           UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[13:49] <helloworld32934_>           RX packets:1578837 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[13:49] <helloworld32934_>           TX packets:1013668 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
[13:49] <helloworld32934_>           collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
[13:49] <helloworld32934_>           RX bytes:2033445539 (1.8 GB)  TX bytes:160172823 (152.7 MB)
[13:49] <helloworld32934_>           Interrupt:18 Base address:0xcc00
[13:49] <RoyK> pastebin it for fuck's sake
[13:49] <Nafallo> !pastebin | helloworld32934_
[13:49] <helloworld32934_> ...sorry
[13:50] <RoyK> generally, don't paste more than 2-3 lines
[13:51] <RoyK> even though we're talking 2009, some people are still at small termials
[13:51] <RoyK> what version of ubuntu is this?
[13:52] <helloworld32934_> Ubuntu 8.04.3 LTS, kernel 2.6.24-24-server
[13:55] <RoyK> ok
[13:56] <RoyK> what sort of clients?
[14:00] <helloworld32934_> two clients are windows XP service pack 3, another two are XP service pack 2
[14:01] <RoyK> wierd
[14:02] <RoyK> does the same thing happen whatever client from which you try to access it?
[14:05] <helloworld32934_> yes, the same thing happens no matter which machine is copying, two machine at the same time maximium throughput...only one machine poor throughput
[14:06] <helloworld32934_> one machine copying with one task, poor.....one machine copying two task maximum
[14:07] <RoyK> can you try to make a wireshark dump while trying with only one box?
[14:07] <RoyK> tshark -w somefile.pcap host ip.of.client.machine
[14:08] <RoyK> you might have to apt-get install tshark
[14:09] <helloworld32934_> sorry, reading from samba to xp is fast as hell, only writing is the problem....must install tshark now...one moment
[14:09] <RoyK> try to not send other traffic to/from that client during the test - it makes the dump easier to read
[14:15] <helloworld32934_> where can I find the .pcap file....capture is finished now, but where is the file??? Using first time tshark.
[14:15] <RoyK> current directory
[14:15] <RoyK> $PWD
[14:15] <RoyK> .
[14:16] <helloworld32934_> thanks...what to do next?
[14:16] <RoyK> gzip and upload it somewhere so I can take a look at it
[14:16] <RoyK> or just open it with wireshark (gui stuff) on some box
[14:16] <RoyK> wireshark exists for windows as well
[14:18] <helloworld32934_> ...installing wireshark for windows, one moment please
[14:28] <helloworld32934_> done and opened the captured file..
[14:39] <XiXaQ> I'm trying to export /media through nfs. I'm able to, but I don't see any data in there. It's as if filesystems mounted in /media aren't automatically exported. That may make sense, but it is what I want. How do I do this?
[14:44] <helloworld32934_> 110	42.790495	<IP_ADDRESS>	<IP_ADDRESS>	SMB	NT Create AndX Response, FID: 0x0000, Error: STATUS_OBJECT_PATH_NOT_FOUND
[14:46] <helloworld32934_> 1946	44.899936	<IP_ADDRESS>	<IP_ADDRESS>	TCP	[TCP segment of a reassembled PDU]
[14:47] <helloworld32934_> 2000	45.171480	<IP_ADDRESS>	<IP_ADDRESS>	TCP	[TCP Out-Of-Order] [TCP segment of a reassembled PDU]
[14:49] <RoyK> XiXaQ: if you have /media/something mounted in /media, that is, a new filesystem, that fs needs to be explicitly exported
[14:50] <helloworld32934_> ...
[14:50] <XiXaQ> RoyK, that's what I did, as a "workaround". There is no way of automatically exporting all filesystems in /media?
[14:51] <XiXaQ> RoyK, I'm configuring a home server, and I'd like to make it so that when I connect a usb stick, it's automatically available to all computers in my home.
[14:52] <RoyK> afaik it's in the nature of nfs to export fs-wise
[14:52] <RoyK> so, no
[14:52] <XiXaQ> ok. Thanks :)
[14:53] <RoyK> I think there is a userspace nfs server available in ubuntu
[14:53] <RoyK> that will probably fix that
[14:53] <RoyK> it's slower, but for a home server, it'll probably suffice
[14:54] <XiXaQ> perhaps I should look into that then.
[14:54] <RoyK> yeah
[14:54] <RoyK> please tell if it helps - nice to know :)
[14:57] <XiXaQ> I will if I find out. I may just export the filesystems manually though. It's less efficient, but.. It's not that big of a deal :)
[14:57] <XiXaQ> less elegant, I meant.
[14:57] <RoyK> perhaps use samba
[14:58] <XiXaQ> I don't think so.
[14:58] <RoyK> heh
[14:58] <XiXaQ> :)
[14:58] <XiXaQ> well, I am going to setup samba one of thiese days, just to have done it, but I think i'll do that in a virtual machine.
[15:00] <RoyK> why?
[15:00] <RoyK> it won't really interfere with the rest
[15:01] <XiXaQ> I hate clutter.
[15:01] <RoyK> it won't be
[15:02] <RoyK> just another subdirectory under etc
[15:02] <XiXaQ> a thought; how does encrypted home work with nfs exported home directories?
[15:02] <XiXaQ> RoyK, I know. :)
[15:02] <RoyK> no idea, but I think you might run into trouble
[15:02] <XiXaQ> ok?
[15:03] <RoyK> if the clients are ubuntu as well, it might work
[15:03] <RoyK> never tried that, though
[15:03] <RoyK> if the data is available unencrypted over the wire, what would be the point of encrypting them in the first place?
[15:04] <XiXaQ> hmm?
[15:04] <XiXaQ> the server would give access to the home folder, but the home folder would be decrypted on the client, I think?
[15:05] <RoyK> unless you use kerberos auth for nfs, and the home dir is available unencrypted over nfs, the data will be available to anyone that sets his userid = your uid
[15:06] <XiXaQ> why would the home dir be available unencrypted over nfs if it's encrypted?
[15:06] <RoyK> it won't
[15:06] <RoyK> or so I hope
[15:07] <RoyK> but if the client side is unable to understand that encryption, you won't get much access to it
[15:07] <RoyK> I'd use ubuntu 9.04 or something all over - that should work
[15:07] <XiXaQ> right, but the clients would be ubuntu in any case.
[15:07] <RoyK> that should work
[15:07] <RoyK> I think
[15:07] <RoyK> but - I've never worked with such a setup
[15:07] <XiXaQ> that would be cool. I'll have to look into kerberos too.
[15:08] <RoyK> this is on a LAN, right?
[15:08] <XiXaQ> but I think kerberos is overkill for my home network. :)
[15:08] <RoyK> yeah
[15:08] <XiXaQ> yes.
[15:08] <RoyK> with encrypted home dirs and plain nfs3, kerberos seems to be overkill
[15:09] <RoyK> anyway - try to take a look at opensolaris :)
[15:09] <RoyK> it's pretty cool
[15:09] <RoyK> raidz and zfs snapshotting and that sort of stuff is non-existent on linux
[15:10] <XiXaQ> think I'll stick to ubuntu for now. :)
[15:10] <RoyK> 'cept btrfs, but that won't be stable for a while
[15:10] <XiXaQ> raidz?
[15:10] <RoyK> I've been using linux for 10+ years, and solaris amaze me
[15:11] <RoyK> raidz/raidz2 is like raid5/raid6, only with lots of more checksumming so it can recover from far more errors than traditional raid[56] can do
[15:11] <RoyK> also, making snapshots every now and then is quite a nice thing
[15:11] <RoyK> oops - I deleted those files I made two hours ago - damn - backup - no - snapshot - whoo
[15:12] <XiXaQ> I do almost all the work I do in virtual machines, which makes snapshots easy.
[15:12] <XiXaQ> I recently discovered rdbd though. That seems nice.
[15:13] <RoyK> wtf is rdbd?
[15:14] <RoyK> what sort of virtualization are you using? kvm? xen? virtualbox?
[15:16] <RoyK> btw, this raidz stuff from opensolaris has a rather neat feature - using SSDs for caching :)
[15:18] <XiXaQ> I'm using kvm. And rdbd is sort of like raid over network.
[15:18] <XiXaQ> raid 1 over network, I meant.
[15:19] <RoyK> url?
[15:20] <XiXaQ> drbd, I meant. :)
[15:21] <XiXaQ> drbd.org
[15:23] <RoyK> hm. zfs copy seems smarter. first create a zfs snapshot and then sync the whole thing over
[15:24] <RoyK> just try opensolaris and some zfs stuff on a vm - I'm positive that you'll like what you see
[15:25] <XiXaQ> I don't doubt it. I did experiment with opensolaris 10. But I'm quite happy with ubuntu.
[15:28] <RoyK> whatever :)
[15:30] <RoyK> we got an offer at work from NetApp for some high-tech storage solution, 5TB usable storage with dedup and snapshottable and so on for NOK 300k or so. Instead we're building a 20TB solution with RAID-Z2 (as in RAID6), some SSDs for caching and so on for NOK 55k
[15:30] <XiXaQ> drbd seems perfect for me, since I have two servers which only need half their harddisk space. I should be able to setup drbd so that if one server dies, the other is able to immediately take over. You wouldn't get that with snapshots.
[15:31] <RoyK> by the time btrfs stabilises, I might consider using linux for file servers
[15:32] <RoyK> also, opensolaris has an in-kernel cifs server, which tends to speed things up a wee bit
[15:33] <RoyK> hm... du er norsk?
[15:34] <XiXaQ> yes.
[15:35] <RoyK> name and host hinted a little at that
[15:35] <XiXaQ> likewise. :)
[15:35] <RoyK> :)
[15:35] <RoyK> anyway - have you heard about the RAID write hole?
[15:36] <XiXaQ> not that I recall. Enlighten me? :)
[15:37] <RoyK> http://davidfrancis.blogspot.com/2008/07/raid-5-write-hole.html
[15:38] <RoyK> zfs and btrfs addresses that quite nicely
[15:38] <RoyK> but then, btrfs is far from mature
[15:39] <XiXaQ> you're beginning to sound like my brother when he's talking about Windows. :)
[15:39] <RoyK> bah
[15:39] <RoyK> I use linux on 50ish boxes at work
[15:40] <RoyK> but not for storage
[15:40] <RoyK> we even use windows for the web servers, since we have a bunch of developers that are in love with .net
[15:40] <maswan> we still use linux on quite a few storage boxes, just the dedicated storage where we can get away with it is zfs
[15:40] <maswan> (linux storage is AFS servers and GPFS servers for instance)
[15:42] <maswan> there just isn't another good checksumming filessystem.
[15:42] <RoyK> you mean, 'cept zfs?
[15:42] <RoyK> anyway - I was talking about dedicated storage. zfs is quite good there
[15:44] <sebrock> I just installed Ubutu server 9.04 and need some help using LVM. I need to resize the root partition and divide it into two separate partitions. Anyone know how to proceed?
[15:45] <sebrock> Somehow it took the whole disk, although I stated just to use 40GB of the 160GB
[15:45] <RoyK> sebrock: there are a few ways to do that, but the short answer is "backup and reinstall"
[15:45] <Nafallo> ehrm.
[15:45] <Nafallo> livecd, shrink the partition and your good to go surely?
[15:46] <RoyK> can gparted do that?
[15:46] <RoyK> easily?
[15:46] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #411045 in openldap (main) "slapd cannot get resinstalled or removed if the configuration files were lost" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/411045
[15:47] <sebrock> is it possible to shrink a partition (ext3) without data loss?
[15:47] <Nafallo> I didn't mean partition like that. I meant logical volume
[15:47] <XiXaQ> that bug sounded strange. *looking*
[15:47] <sebrock> MMmmmmm, I can see the benefit of LVM but it just messed stuff up for me really
[15:49] <sebrock> if I do 'lvs' it says the root partition is 40GB, 'fdisk -l' shows the whole 160GB, now I do understand the difference between the physical and logical partitions. What I need to do is take aprox 50GB of the /dev/sda disk and turn it into a /dev/sda3
[15:50] <Nafallo> sebrock: why?
[15:51] <sebrock> you ask why I need to partition it? Because its easier to maintain and backup
[15:52] <Nafallo> I was rather asking why you wouldn't split out the space to another logical volume.
[15:52] <sebrock> the other partition I want to use for Apple Time Machine backup
[15:52] <Nafallo> but that depends on what the other partition would be doing.
[15:53] <Nafallo> oh. well. no idea what requirements that other thing have.
[15:53] <sebrock> basically, I just dont want to backup the Time Machine partition, just the root
[15:53] <Nafallo> (neither if apple will read LVM or not)
[15:54] <sebrock> no I will use AFP protocol do do that, nevermind the connection to the macs
[15:54] <sebrock> I just want it to be easy to backup and separate the / from say /var/TIMEMACHINEBACKUP
[15:55] <sebrock> Previously I used to backup the whole partition of raw data /dev/sda1 etc.
[15:56] <sebrock> This will be to big if I have the time machine files on the same partition, therefore I just want an easy way to separate these. I was thinking doing it with /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda3 or whatever, but if its easier to do with LVM thats fine to
[16:01] <sebrock> ok, can I use pvcreate to just add a partition without touching the existing root partition=
[16:22] <RoyK> sebrock: have you made time machine work with samba?
[16:26] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #411059 in lsb (main) "lsb_release crashed with ImportError in <module>() (dup-of: 383697)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/411059
[16:39] <android6011> right now I am using free nas for home file server, is there a way in ubuntu server to have the hard drives spin down after say 20 min of no use
[16:41] <android6011> I see commands like: hdparm -S 120 /dev/sda but will I have to do that after every reboot?
[16:50] <PhotoJim> android6011: /etc/rc.local :)
[16:51] <android6011> so put the correct hdparam command in /etc/rc.local and I'll be good to go?
[17:15] <drurew> !eggdrop
[17:15] <drurew> !bmotion
[17:15] <drurew> !megahal
[17:16] <drurew> !AI
[17:17] <drurew> im looking for a somewhat well documented eggdrop ai module ...both of the above have massive problems like missing fact.txt files..and or just dont work entirel y
[17:17] <drurew> something like ubottu
[17:22] <quizme> is there a way to symbolically link /etc/passwd to another location
[17:22] <quizme> when i move it i lose sudo rights
[17:22] <quizme> then i can't write there anymore
[17:24] <drurew> ln -s /etc/passwd /to/your/preferd/location && chown altusr:altusr /the/location/you/saved/the/passwd/file
[17:24] <drurew> *location you liked the passwd file
[17:24] <drurew> not a safe idea tho
[17:25] <drurew> *linked
[17:34] <quizme> drurew: yeah i think I'm going to skip it.  too risky..
[17:35] <drurew> i mean ...if you chowned it to your user ..then anyone who cracked you X or whatever has the -rw permission
[17:36] <drurew> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/understanding-etcpasswd-file-format/
[17:39] <drurew> quizme: what you could do ...is add yourself to the root user in /etc/group meaning user:quizme would theoreticly be able to everything root can
[17:39] <drurew> not theoreticly
[17:39] <drurew> *actually
[17:41] <drurew> check this out :https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[17:42] <drurew> ubottu uses megahal as its AI interface ...yet it knows nothing about megahal
[17:42] <drurew> LOL
[17:42] <drurew> nice ubottu
[17:43] <drurew> ubottu: !megahal
[17:49]  * drurew `s a noob
[18:23] <toehio> how do you customize text-only mode? (font, size, colors)
[18:27] <sebrock> RoyK I don't, I use netatalk/AFP with it
[18:35] <NorthByNorthWest> Hi! I think my ubuntu server got screwed up after a power failure, the power was cut to the computer and it seems I had some bad luck with the file system...
[18:36] <NorthByNorthWest> booting up lands me in the busy box, prior to that it says that it cant mount some of partitions.... lite /sys, /proc and a few more...
[18:38] <NorthByNorthWest> above the mounting errors it says "EXT-3-fs: error loading journal" so it seems like I have had som bad luck!
[18:39] <NorthByNorthWest> Can this be fixed in the busy box? Or do I need to put the HD in another computer, copy what can be saved and reinstall the server all in all?
[18:40] <PhotoJim> NorthByNorthWest: you can run fsck to repair the partition.  whether it will be repaired enough to allow booting is another matter.  it depends on the extent of the damage.
[18:41] <NorthByNorthWest> PhotoJim: fsck dont seem to be available in the busybox... can i install it in any way?
[18:43] <PhotoJim> NorthByNorthWest: what about fsck.ext3 ?
[18:44] <PhotoJim> NorthByNorthWest: I thought fsck was included in there.  if it isn't, you're probably looking at removing the hard disk and attaching it as a secondary drive to a working system for repair.
[18:45] <NorthByNorthWest> PhotoJim: nope, "Help" shows me the build-in commands, but theyre to many to type in here... the only commands that starts with f are "false, fbset, fdflush, fgrep"
[18:46] <NorthByNorthWest> PhotoJim: Seems like I have to do that :(
[18:46] <NorthByNorthWest> PhotoJim: weird that there are no hard drive fixing tool included in busybox...
[18:47] <PhotoJim> NorthByNorthWest: I don't know if I've ever tried to run fsck from there.  there are ways of having fsck in that environment, though, so you might want to investigate that on your systems once you get this one fixed.
[18:48] <NorthByNorthWest> PhotoJim: ok! thanks!
[18:48] <PhotoJim> NorthByNorthWest: fixing by removing the drive is annoying but pretty doable.  there are inexpensive external USB devices that will connect to almost any type of hard disk.  they are indispensible for this sort of task.
[18:48] <PhotoJim> NorthByNorthWest: by "almost any" I mean PATA/SATA, 2.5" or 3.5".  not SCSI etc. :)
[18:51] <NorthByNorthWest> PhotoJim: Well lucky me, the drive was fitted in a bay so it was just to open and pull out... my main computer has a similar bay that I can push it into! :)
[18:52] <PhotoJim> NorthByNorthWest: cool.  good luck :)
[18:55] <NorthByNorthWest> PhotoJim: oh...  :P
[18:55] <NorthByNorthWest> PhotoJim: (This is a server I installed to my sisters-in-law's small company, so I dont see it much)
[18:56] <NorthByNorthWest> PhotoJim: The OS is installed in a USB memory stick!!! The harddrives are just for storage!
[18:57] <NorthByNorthWest> PhotoJim: So I hope i can do a fsck on the usb stick as well...
[19:22] <PhotoJim> NorthByNorthWest: Yes.  Hopefully you didn't put /var on USB.  the heavy write cycles will wear out a flash drive in no time.
[19:22] <PhotoJim> NorthByNorthWest: and you'll want to make sure that your swap space is on a hard disk too.
[19:23] <NorthByNorthWest> PhotoJim: good points, didnt think of that!
[19:24] <NorthByNorthWest> PhotoJim: If I get the system up and running again i should move the /var to the harddrive!
[19:24] <PhotoJim> NorthByNorthWest: for sure.  that might be part of your problem.
[19:25] <NorthByNorthWest> PhotoJim: Its strange though... I run "sudo fsck.ext3 -v -y -b 8193 /dev/sde1" and it finds some problems that it supposedly fix... but rerunning the exact same command finds the same errors....
[19:25] <NorthByNorthWest> PhotoJim: trying to boot the server gives me the same old errors...
[19:26] <PhotoJim> NorthByNorthWest: hmm.  you might need to try copying the data to another device.
[19:27] <PhotoJim> NorthByNorthWest: if the flash device is dead, it might not permit writing, which would prevent the errors from getting corrected.
[19:28] <NorthByNorthWest> Coudl I just do a simple copy of them them to another USB drive with the same fs?
[19:32] <PhotoJim> NorthByNorthWest: Probably.  You might need to look at the fstab to see if it mounts by device name or by UUID.  the UUID will probably change.
[19:32] <NorthByNorthWest> PhotoJim: hmm... the usb drive is a 8Gb dirve but it mounts as a 255 Mb drive... sounds like its dead allready...
[19:32] <PhotoJim> NorthByNorthWest: frequent writes will kill flash quickly, so it's entirely possible.
[19:33] <NorthByNorthWest> PhotoJim: darn it... :P
[19:33] <PhotoJim> NorthByNorthWest: I have to run, but I stay in channel, so keep me posted.
[19:34] <NorthByNorthWest> PhotoJim: Ok... but right now Im leaning towards a reinstall on another USB drive...
[19:43] <MK13> i have ubuntu set up with dhcp3-server, and it assigns the ip's correctly but i cannot ping to the ip that it has just assigned. Any ideas?
[19:59] <error404notfound> i managed whole lot of servers at three different place, so i have 3 different sets of pub and priv keys. Is there a way that using config file i can define which key file to use when connecting to a specific server?
[20:04] <andresmujica> ~/.ssh/config
[20:04] <andresmujica> look into the ssh manual you'll find the right syntax
[20:09] <mushroomblue> so, does anyone have a decent tutorial for setting up phpldapadmin and OpenLDAP in 9.04?
[20:09] <mushroomblue> all the ones I've found are for 8.10
[20:16] <drurew> do 8.10 mans not work for 9.04 apps?
[20:19] <drurew> !virtualbox
[21:07] <XiXaQ> my network interface slows down dramatically after a while, specially if I have more than a little traffic. ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 "fixes" it, but that's not good enough. Any suggestions?
[21:32] <StrangeCharm> XiXaQ, is it a virtual server?
[21:33] <StrangeCharm> is it possible to write a bash script (including the username and password as text) which automatically logs on to a telnet session?
[22:58] <kad_> hey i run postfix when i do mutt give me error: no such file for /var/mail/root ! i create file root in folder mail give me error : file root not a mailbox ! and i install mailutils trying to do : echo "test" | mail -s "test" root
[23:44] <mndo> hi!
[23:44] <mndo> i am not able to access packages.ubuntu.org
[23:44] <mndo> s/org/com/
[23:48] <dazman> Yep, it appears to be down.


[02:15] <Hobbsee> now, how is it best to find under what name a particular block of code is hosted under launchpad?
[02:15] <Hobbsee> and how do i search branches on https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev ?
[02:17] <Hobbsee> is there any way i can find a branch that i've contributed to?
[02:17] <Hobbsee> or...anything?
[02:18] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: got any idea where the ubuntu-restricted-extras stuff was stored?  it's in bzr somewhere, and on launchpad, but i don't know where anymore, and launchpad search is being unhelpful.
[02:19] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Well, it should be easy to find...
[02:19] <Fujitsu> But of course, LP doesn't do code for packages.
[02:19] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: it's not a project, apparently.
[02:19] <Fujitsu> It must be.
[02:19] <Fujitsu> As one can't use +junk for groups.
[02:19] <Hobbsee> or i'm looking under teh wrong name.
[02:20] <Fujitsu> Is there a project linked to the source package?
[02:20] <Hobbsee> at least, i *think* it was in bzr.
[02:21] <Fujitsu> It has no Vcs-* headers.
[02:21] <Fujitsu> So maybe not.
[02:21] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: i don't think so
[02:22] <Hobbsee> yeah, but i may never have put them in
[02:22] <Fujitsu> Tut tut.
[02:31]  * Hobbsee closes 2 bugs.
[06:22] <thumper> Hobbsee: can I get you to file a bug with your comments from 4 hours ago, and assign it to me?
[06:22] <Hobbsee> thumper: about the "how to search for a bzr branch in a useful way" thing?
[06:22] <thumper> Hobbsee: that was going to be this cycle but didn't make it
[06:22] <thumper> Hobbsee: I ran out of time
[06:22] <thumper> :-(
[06:22] <Hobbsee> ah right
[06:22] <Hobbsee> aww :(
[06:22] <thumper> hopefully I should have it on edge in a couple of weeks
[06:22] <thumper> Hobbsee: what do you mean by "a useful way"?
[06:23] <Hobbsee> thumper: one that returns the results you want :)
[06:23] <thumper> Hobbsee: I can't yet read minds
[06:23] <Hobbsee> thumper: awww.  pity.
[06:23] <thumper> Hobbsee: what fields would you expect it to search?
[06:26] <Hobbsee> thumper: well, i'd expect that if i knew the name of whatever the thing was, and the project, then it would be able to search and tell me which particular group had ownership o fit, etc.
[06:26] <Hobbsee> ie, i know that ubuntu.gutsy is the seed list for gutsy, in the project called ubuntu, yet if i don't remember that tha't sin ~ubuntu-core-dev, i'll never find it.
[06:28] <thumper> Hobbsee: what about going to code.launchpad.net/<project> (and then "list branches" or +branches) , that will give you the branches for the project, then use this new search field and type in "gutsy", you'll get the right thing
[06:28] <thumper> Hobbsee: you should almost get that now
[06:28] <thumper> Hobbsee: unless there are hundreds of branches in the project
[06:28] <thumper> Hobbsee: hopefully my branch should be there soon (RSN)
[06:29]  * thumper goes to sort out kids
[06:29]  * RAOF wonders what that's a euphamism for.
[06:30]  * Fujitsu sorts out RAOF.
[06:30] <Hobbsee> thumper: where exactly would i find "list branches"?
[06:30] <Hobbsee> or does ubuntu not class as a project?
[06:30] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Ubuntu has no branches.
[06:30] <Fujitsu> Because distros couldn't possibly ever need branches.
[06:30] <Fujitsu> This is why we have hacks like putting seeds in /ubuntu-seeds or so.
[06:31] <Hobbsee> we have /ubuntu-seeds?
[06:31] <Hobbsee> oh, so we do.
[06:32] <Hobbsee> yes, nwo about this new search field.
[06:32] <Fujitsu> Yes, because we can't have branches on distros. This makes things messy.
[06:32] <Hobbsee> the one that doesn't exist?
[06:32]  * Hobbsee wonders why the distros wouldn't need branches....
[06:33] <Fujitsu> Because!
[06:33] <Hobbsee> anyway, so i've found the project.  there is just no search bar.
[06:33] <Fujitsu> I forget the reason that was given.
[06:33] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: because why?
[07:50] <thumper> Hobbsee: yes I was mentioning this "soon to land" search bar
[07:53] <Hobbsee> thumper: ahhh, right.
[07:53] <Hobbsee> thumper: then i will not be confused over why i can't see it then :)
[07:54] <thumper> Hobbsee: also, as you noticed, distro's don't have branches (yet)
[07:56] <Hobbsee> thumper: yeah.  so no wonder it all confuses me, which is why i tend not to use branches.
[07:57]  * Hobbsee --> dinner
[11:29] <McKinney> i have a question about the launchpad ppa. is there someone who can help me?
[11:30] <Fujitsu> McKinney: Quite possibly. Ask away, and someone will answer if they know.
[11:31] <McKinney> thanks :) i created my ppa and wanted to upload a package. but everywhere i read that i have upload a .changes-file. where do i get that from?
[11:35] <Fujitsu> McKinney: How have you created your package?
[11:36] <McKinney> i downloaded the source-pakete and created the origin-package with dh_make --createorig. i took pidgin 2.4.0 to try that.
[11:36] <McKinney> source-package
[11:37] <Fujitsu> McKinney: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide will probably help you out.
[11:43] <McKinney> thank you
[15:56] <ubotu> New bug: #205586 in launchpad-buildd "Should be able to search for packages across all PPA's" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205586
[16:54] <soren> Does anyone have any good ideas on how to map the bzr revision numbers on an import of an svn branch on launchpad to the original svn revision numbers?
[17:14] <Odd_Bloke> soren: Asking in #bzr is more likely to get you a useful response. :)
[17:56] <ubotu> New bug: #205629 in launchpad "hwdb should provide a usable manual upload form" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205629
[18:00] <ubotu> New bug: #205637 in launchpad-buildd "Should be able to associate PPA packages with projects" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205637
[18:06] <fitoria> hello
[18:07] <fitoria> How does a Translation template gets aproved in Launchpad?
[18:14] <fitoria> ?
[18:15] <mtaylor> kiko-afk: ping?
[18:21] <mtaylor> kiko-afk: nm
[18:21] <mtaylor> it was my fault
[18:24] <fitoria> How does a Translation template gets aproved in Launchpad?
[18:37] <andrea-bs> fitoria: maybe this will help you: https://help.launchpad.net/TranslationsImportPolicy
[18:37] <fitoria> thanks andrea-bs
[18:44] <ubotu> New bug: #205644 in diff-ext "Please add diff-ext to the rosetta (Launchpad translations)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205644


[11:07] <yharrow> hey ppls
[11:11] <trew100> yharrow: היי
[11:11] <Interruptus> Howdy
[11:11] <yharrow> hey trew100 Hi Interruptus  :D
[11:11] <yharrow> hows everyone doing today?
[11:12] <yharrow> מה המצב כולם :D
[11:12] <trew100> נושמים
[11:13] <trew100> :-)
[11:13] <yharrow> :D
[11:13] <Interruptus> לא רע בעליל
[11:13] <trew100> מסכים עם המונח לא רע
[11:13] <trew100> במיוחד אחרי שסיימתי פה 2 מטלות מעצבנות...
[11:13] <yharrow> רק נושמים?
[11:13] <trew100> זה מה שחשוב
[11:14] <yharrow> ^^
[11:15] <yharrow> by the way, while I can understand most things. My hebrew is still a little rusty. Just saying :P
[11:15] <Interruptus> i just tried to revive an old toshiba satelite laptop
[11:15] <yharrow> :o
[11:16] <yharrow> any luck?
[11:16] <Interruptus> eh
[11:16] <Interruptus> maybe the hard disk is useable
[11:16] <Interruptus> anything else is a big door break
[11:17] <yharrow> what happend to it?
[11:17] <yharrow> was it damaged or just too old to run a modern OS?
[11:17] <Interruptus> its the former laptop of my gf
[11:18] <Interruptus> t2400 dualcore, 2gb ram 250 gb hard disk
[11:18] <yharrow> is this the one she threw a shoe at you for?
[11:19] <Interruptus> neh i gave her my auld IBM T61
[11:19] <yharrow> those specs are not half bad
[11:19] <yharrow> xD
[11:19] <Interruptus> with debian on it
[11:19] <Interruptus> this laptop has gone kaput
[11:19] <yharrow> lol I remember debian. Back when I tried it though you could only install using command line
[11:19] <Interruptus> not even turning on
[11:20] <yharrow> ouch
[11:20] <yharrow> maybe its a bios issue?
[11:20] <Interruptus> i think its more electric issue
[11:20] <yharrow> i had a similar issue and I solved it by removing the bios battery for 24 hours
[11:20] <yharrow> or so
[11:20] <yharrow> and then i put it back in and it worked
[11:21] <yharrow> but eveyr so often when it wsant shut down correctly the issue would repeat itself
[11:22] <Interruptus> i just watched a tutorial how to disassemble that thing appart
[11:22] <Interruptus> looks quite evil
[11:23] <Interruptus> http://likestoramble.com/2012/02/17/how-to-disassemble-a-toshiba-satellite-l300-laptop/
[11:25] <yharrow> ugh i always hated working with laptops cause they rae all so different and parts are so easy to lose
[11:25] <yharrow_steam> i know some ppl make a killing off of it. but still, I don't hve the patience for that sort of thing xD
[11:27] <yharrow_steam> by the way trew100  do you speak english well? If not I can make do with hebrew so you can join the conversation.
[11:29] <Interruptus> lots of small screws\
[11:29] <Interruptus> and each one needs diff srewdriver
[11:37] <yharrow_steam> yeh i forgot bout the differnt screw driver part
[15:09] <manowar3> boker tov


[18:09] <azm> someone has issues with plugin container recently ?
[18:10] <azm> as I start playing youtube video it allocate over 1 Gb of memory and I have to kill it.
[18:10] <ailo_> azm: Has happened to me a couple of times
[18:10] <azm> in chrome flash stopped working completely
[18:10] <ailo_> Not very often, though
[18:11] <ailo_> Could be some sites are worse than others
[18:11] <ailo_> I know a game that did that continuously
[18:11] <azm> well vimeo works fine
[18:12] <ailo_> So, I needed to restart the browser now and then to clear up the memory leak (or did I just refresh, I forget)
[18:12] <azm> yea it worked before for me too
[18:12] <azm> I kill it and restart FF and it worked
[18:12] <ailo_> I think it's enough just to restart FF in most cases
[18:13] <ailo_> Once I came back after a long break, the whole system was borked because of a memory leak. Even Swap was swamped
[18:13] <azm> hm, those times passed
[18:13] <azm> I dont know, maybe I should reinstall ubuntu
[18:13] <azm> maybe its overkill
[18:13] <ailo_> It's the flash-plugin that causes it
[18:14] <ailo_> No fault of Ubuntu
[18:15] <ailo_> Hmm, now that I think of it, I think it may have been Java causing the problem with the game. Not really sure.
[18:15] <ailo_> azm: Is it amd64?
[18:16] <azm> i686
[18:20] <azm> trying to reinstall flash
[18:20] <ailo_> azm: Don't think that will solve it. I'm pretty sure it's related to what pages are up on the browser. Did you try to identify that?
[18:22] <ailo_> For me, the game that did that would do it slowly over time.
[18:24] <azm> well I tried to close all FF tabs and open and run just youtube video
[18:24] <azm> and the plugin container pops up and xruns start emerging
[18:24] <azm> and all system slow down
[18:24] <azm> so it cause youtube
[18:28] <ailo_> azm: You use jack for Desktop audio?
[18:28] <azm> yea
[18:28] <ailo_> What distro?
[18:28] <ailo_> KX?
[18:28] <azm> this channel
[18:28] <azm> name
[18:29] <azm> pretty bad support in ubuntustudio to get working jack + pa together
[18:29] <azm> so Im using jack for FF too
[18:29] <azm> using some plugin
[18:29] <azm> libflashsupport
[18:30] <azm> Id be happy to get working this stuff out of the box
[18:30] <ailo_> azm: Well, I would say it depends on what you want to do. What's your latency set at?
[18:31] <ailo_> Did you try using PA with jack?
[18:31] <azm> yep it does not work
[18:31] <azm> if I run jack
[18:31] <azm> then the sound in browser does not work
[18:31] <ailo_> Personally, I don't ever use jack to anything but pro audio stuff, though I sometimes run PA and jack at the same time with two different cards
[18:32] <ailo_> There's a way to let PA connect to jack, but I haven't tried it myself
[18:33] <azm> ye, kx studio has it this way
[18:35] <azm>                                                                    when I turn off jack its same
[18:35] <azm> lol
[18:36] <ailo_> What is the same? Slow system?
[18:36] <azm> ye
[18:36] <ailo_> How much Ram do you have?
[18:36] <azm> 2gb
[18:37] <ailo_> Regular Ubuntu as you said (I have 2GB as well)
[18:37] <ailo_> By regular, I mean not amd64
[18:37] <azm> weird in chrome flash is broken completelly
[18:37] <ailo_> Is it Maverick?
[18:38] <azm> yes
[18:38] <azm> last ubuntustudio
[18:38] <ailo_> Is it Google Chrome, or Chromium-browser?
[18:38] <azm> chromium browser
[18:38] <azm> it was called chrome
[18:39] <ailo_> chromium is the version you have in Ubuntu's repo. Google Chrome I think includes some non open source code (not sure)
[18:40] <azm> meh, what next
[18:40] <ailo_> I think I tried that jack - flash thing, but I didn't like it very much
[18:40] <azm> Im lost
[18:40] <ailo_> Poor performance from flash
[18:41] <azm> yes, but no one havent created something better
[18:41] <ailo_> I would not use jack for Desktop audio, but if you do, use very high latency.
[18:41] <azm> that is not an issue
[18:42] <ailo_> What graphic card do you have?
[18:42] <ailo_> And, when you say slow, do you mean CPU -slow, or that your memory is filled to maximum (not counting cached memory).
[18:44] <azm> I mean memory
[18:45] <ailo_> It sounds like you have something else occupying the memory too, aside from the browsers. For me 2GB is enough to run several flash videos at once. I get problems with some flash content, like commercials, if there are too many pages up sometimes.
[18:46] <ailo_> I don't ever run out of memory, actually, aside from now and then when there has been a clear leakage
[18:46] <ailo_> It's only taking up a lot of processing power
[18:47] <ailo_> The base system is below 1GB, but after running a few apps I get up to 1.1 to 1.2 GB.
[19:57] <azm> downgrade of flashplugin and flash installer to 10.1
[19:57] <azm> helped solve it