[00:30] <eruditehermit> hey, does anyone know why amd64 versions are no longer being built in the kernel ppa?
[04:13] <eruditehermit> hey
[04:13] <eruditehermit> does anyone know why the ubuntu kernel ppa doesn't have amd64 builds for the newer kernels?
[04:18] <BenC> ericm|ubuntu: could be a build failure
[04:24] <BenC> eruditehermit: ^^
[04:39] <eruditehermit> BenC, how do I check?
[04:41] <BenC> The buildd reports for the latest package in the ppa
[07:54] <apw> eruditehermit, which kernel specifically is missing the build
[08:19]  * apw yawns loudly
[08:19] <jk-> hey apw
[08:19] <apw> jk- hey, hows it hangng
[08:20] <jk-> sleepy
[08:20] <jk-> you?
[08:21] <apw> always sleepy ... UDS is a killer
[08:22] <ohsix> hm what sort of pages exactly are these page allocation warnings about; i get them a lot when running perf while swapping
[08:26] <apw> ohsix, nominally they are reported against a process which is consuming them
[08:27] <ohsix> is it fatal to that process or is it just advisory
[08:27] <ohsix> perf doesn't die or seem to malfunction; neither does any other thing thats warned about
[08:28] <apw> most cases unless we see the oom killer stepping in you are fine, though they are telling you the kernel is struggling to get what people are asking for
[08:29] <apw> it is probabal that perf is falling back to smaller available blocks in that case
[08:29] <apw> and reducing efficiency of reporting to userspace or similar
[08:32] <ohsix> hm i'll have to check how much overcommit there is next time it happens; i know there was swap space still available in all cases that i saw
[08:33] <ohsix> i thought it was waiting for some sort of special pages but it's pretty agnostic with respect to what it is, happens to perf a lot though
[08:36] <ohsix> ooh found one, http://paste.ubuntu.com/608856/
[08:36] <apw> ohsix, perf is likely to put demands on real memory which cannot be paged
[08:36] <apw> May 15 17:43:36 krang kernel: [491791.506159] perf_2.6.38-9: page allocation failure. order:4, mode:0xc0d0
[08:37] <apw> so perf is asking for large allocations, 16 pages at a time and being denied
[08:39] <ohsix> okie dokie, i'll look more closely at the report it generates next time it's not perf; thanks for the info
[08:40] <ohsix> i have one other but its from the intel gpu dump tool running, might be similar situation to perf
[08:41] <apw> yeah probabally needs a big buffer to get the state
[08:42] <ohsix> http://paste.ubuntu.com/608862/ happened in quick succession as apport was trying to report a render error
[08:44] <ohsix> i see some suggestions about tweaking min_free_kbytes, i thought with overcommit stuff could sleep until allocations succeeded? and stuff could be ejected to satisfy it
[08:46] <apw> ohsix, yes at order 3 and below that occurs, above that there is no likelyhood of success of the eviction
[08:46] <ohsix> whats the "hi: " on per-cpu? all my reports have 186 and so do the ones i can see on google; fixed size area right?
[08:46] <apw> anyone wanting to allocate at that size is expected to handle failure gracefully
[08:46] <ohsix> ahh
[08:47] <ohsix> interesting
[08:47] <apw> hi: is the high watermark on the per node page allocation caches
[08:47] <apw> so when you free the 186 order 0 page on a cpu a batch will be given back to the global pool
[08:48] <ohsix> so where it's expected to be seen it shouldn't be a problem, unless it is and the tool needs to be fixed to accomodate the error?
[08:51] <apw> right, and you are seeing no symptoms other than the failures i think, perf keeps working so it must be moving to smaller buffers
[08:53] <ohsix> i'll have to see why it raises the error; i don't know how an app would get a chunk of memory or vm without __NOWARN ono it
[08:53] <ohsix> __GPF_NOWARN
[08:53] <ohsix> ok night; thanks for the info
[08:54] <apw> ohsix, yeah it is probabaly they should have that if they know they are coping
[09:12] <apw> smb, are we expecting any work items on your other-kernel-o-server-requirements blueprint
[09:14] <smb> apw, We could place them there though the discussion happened in the other session(s)
[09:14] <smb> I have not yet checked what is visible where
[09:14] <apw> seems reasonable to pull them onto that one, and you can own the delivery of them
[09:14] <smb> So I probably should go over things you put into your blueprints
[09:16] <apw> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/tr-oneiric-kernel-team
[09:16] <apw> smb, the above blueprint seems to have been made with the sole purpose of attaching all kernel blueprints to it, useful to find out blueprints though
[09:18] <smb> apw, neat. yeah I think there might be some workitems I would be adding to the server-requirement blueprint if those are not already somewhere else
[09:18] <apw> smb, where items belong on that once do move them, i moved one from config to delta cause it was more appropriate there
[09:19] <smb> apw, ok, will do
[09:20] <ogra_> hmm, is there something like skipabi=1 for the aliases check ? my custom package always dies in that part
[09:21] <apw> cking, didn't you have some blueprints on fwts ?
[09:22] <smb> ogra_, aliases? Not sure I know what you mean. There would be skipmodules=1 for the modules check
[09:22] <ogra_> with an s ?
[09:23]  * ogra_ has skipmodule=true on his cmdline
[09:23] <smb> ogra_, maybe without. It is usually so long time between usages I look into the code
[09:23] <cking> apw, minimal one
[09:23] <apw> cking, i don't see it at all on our list, whats it called ?
[09:24] <cking> lemme recall..
[09:24] <smb> ogra_, Ok, it is without the s
[09:24] <apw> cking, also do you have a launchpad team for your team ?
[09:24] <ppisati> ogra_: watch out, sometimes it's skipmodule, others skipmodules
[09:24] <ogra_> damned, i though i had simply typoed
[09:24] <cking> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hwe-o-fwts-enhancements
[09:25] <ogra_> ppisati, sometimes ?
[09:25] <cking> apw,  a LP team for my team??
[09:25] <ppisati> ogra_: wait
[09:26] <ogra_> debian/rules suggests it is without s
[09:26] <cking> apw, https://launchpad.net/~canonical-hwe-team perchance
[09:26] <apw> cking, was trying to work out whi i can't find the thing
[09:26] <smb> ogra_, Yep, that is right
[09:26] <apw> or more why it cannot find you
[09:26] <ppisati> watch out
[09:26] <ppisati> [flag@newluxor ubuntu-natty]$ git co ti-omap4
[09:26] <ppisati> Switched to branch 'ti-omap4'
[09:26] <ppisati> [flag@newluxor ubuntu-natty]$ grep -Ri skipmodule debian.*
[09:26] <ppisati> debian.master/rules.d/ppc64.mk:skipmodule       = true
[09:26] <ppisati> debian.master/rules.d/powerpc.mk:skipmodule     = true
[09:26] <ppisati> debian.master/rules.d/armhf.mk:skipmodules      = true
[09:26] <ppisati> it bite me once already
[09:27] <smb> ppisati, that looks a bit like arm sets it wrong...
[09:27] <ogra_> that seems to be a bug in the armhf port
[09:27] <ogra_> which we dont use yet
[09:27] <ppisati> dunno, but yes, it's not consistent
[09:28] <smb> ogra_, Which sort of brings us back to what exactly is the failure?
[09:29] <ogra_> Checking for dupe aliases in ac100...
[09:29] <ogra_> Could not open /home/ogra/kernel/linux-ac100-<IP_ADDRESS>/debian/linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-1-ac100/lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-1-ac100/modules.alias at debian/tests/check-aliases line 10.
[09:29] <ogra_> run-parts: debian/tests/check-aliases exited with return code 2
[09:29] <ogra_> what would create modules.alias ?
[09:30] <ogra_> seems there is no skip option for it
[09:30] <apw> isn't that a depmod output
[09:30] <smb> That was what I was thinking too
[09:30] <apw> that is very fatal, we don't want any kernels with bad aliases, so i am not supprised there is no skip for it
[09:31] <apw> without the module.aliases your package is likely no good regardless
[09:31] <ogra_> weird, why wouldnt it be called then ... i copied my debian dirs from another package and the compile runs fine up to that point
[09:31] <apw> i think we'd need the whole log to know much more
[09:32] <smb> And probably know what exactly "copied the debian dirs from another package" means. Somehow I have a bad feeling there...
[09:32] <ogra_> bah
[09:32] <ogra_> ogra@isis:~/kernel/linux-ac100-<IP_ADDRESS>$ ls debian/linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-1-ac100/lib/modules/
[09:32] <ogra_> 2.6.37-1-ac100  <IP_ADDRESS>-1-ac100
[09:33] <ogra_> the latter dir is empty ... the former has the missing bits
[09:33] <apw> cking, ahh you were only proposed for oneiric
[09:33] <cking> what should it be then?
[09:33] <apw> ogra_, thats a version problem
[09:34] <apw> what is the version number in your changelog
[09:34] <ogra_> yeah i guessed as much now
[09:34] <ogra_> <IP_ADDRESS>-1.1
[09:34] <apw> i am not sure you can have the .6 in there
[09:34] <apw> don't think that works
[09:34] <ogra_> k
[09:34] <smb> ogra_, maybe missing clean run
[09:34] <ogra_> upstream builds use it
[09:34] <smb> to update the control files
[09:35] <ogra_> i'll drop it and re-run
[09:35] <apw> ogra_, do you mean the mainline ones ?
[09:35] <ogra_> apw, the tree i'm building from
[09:35] <ogra_> its a chromeos based branch with ac100 stuff on top
[09:36] <ogra_> with the last mainline merge the .6 appeaderd
[09:36] <apw> not sure how it ever built for them
[09:36] <apw> .6 in Makefile is fine, its in debian.*/changelog that its not
[09:36] <ogra_> *appeared
[09:36] <ogra_> k
[09:37]  * ogra_ starts over
[09:45] <diwic> a quick question, how do I skip building the pae kernel?
[09:46] <smb> diwic, I don't know whether you can skip individual kernels, but you can only build one flavour
[09:47] <diwic> smb, right, that's the semantic I meant to say
[09:47] <smb> diwic, with "fakeroot debian/rules binary-<flavour>"
[09:47] <smb> diwic, You may want to additionally run binary-headers once to get the generic headers part
[09:47] <smb> I mean general
[09:49] <diwic> hmm. I mistakenly thought that the backport modules shared the same infrastructure, but probably they don't (No rule to make target binary-generic)
[09:49] <diwic> Anyway I'll build both then
[09:49] <smb> diwic, No, that tends to be a bit more painful
[09:50] <diwic> argh
[09:50] <smb> First you have to get the headers from the kernel build and extract them somewhere, and then you would run the build with binary-modules-<flavour> and also need to set KDIR (I believe) to the dir where the headers are
[09:51] <diwic> I'll build the entire kernel, that's probably simplest
[09:51] <diwic> I'm making patches to the include stuff as well
[09:51] <smb> It is a bit simpler in a chroot where you can install packages. Then you can install the headers package from the kernel build
[10:01] <smb> apw, So I added some workitems to my blueprint. The target may move and I need to speak to  jjohansen about him being assigned to one
[10:01] <apw> heh you are in charge of server for the kernel, so feel free to abuse him :)
[10:02] <smb> He seemed to be more on the task there anyway. So I hope it is not really abuse. :)
[10:54] <ogra_> dpkg-deb: building package `linux-image-2.6.37-1-ac100' in `../linux-image-2.6.37-1-ac100_2.6.37-1.1_armel.deb'.
[10:55] <ogra_> ...
[10:55] <ogra_> dpkg-deb: building package `linux-headers-2.6.37-1-ac100' in `../linux-headers-2.6.37-1-ac100_2.6.37-1.1_armel.deb'.
[10:55] <ogra_> ...
[10:55]  * ogra_ hugs apw
[10:55] <apw> ogra_, yay
[10:56] <ogra_> btw, that build took 70min locally on the tegra
[10:57] <apw> thats pretty quick
[10:57] <ogra_> i guess even if i do a complete build in chroot it will beat out builders
[10:57] <ogra_> by hours
[10:57] <amitk> ogra_: -ac100?
[10:57] <ogra_> amitk, yep
[10:58] <ogra_> rolling an image in oneiric :)
[10:58] <amitk> ogra_: congrats!
[10:58] <diwic> gaah...what's the fakeroot target for changing config options?
[10:58] <apw> glad to see you are past a .31 kernel
[10:58] <ogra_> well, the kernel is far from being done, but having an upgardeable package will help a lot to get more people working on it
[10:59] <diwic> fdr target
[10:59] <apw> diwic, i normally just add the option to the leaf i want it in and run fdr updateconfigs
[10:59] <apw> i think there is an fdr editconfigs but thats rather boring
[10:59] <ogra_> and david has some secret plans to equip more people with ac100's
[11:00] <smb> which is probably not so secret anymore now. :-P
[11:00] <ogra_> hehe :)
[11:02] <ogra_> LOL
[11:02] <ogra_> http://bellard.org/jslinux/ finally i can emulate x86 on arm
[11:05] <soren> Fabrice is nuts.
[11:06] <ogra_> soren, well, that will solve all virtualization issues we have on arm ... we can just set up a webserver now *g*
[11:08] <soren> ogra_: You don't even need that, afaict. Just a javascript engine.
[11:11] <apw> ogra_, this thing eats CPU :)
[11:11] <ogra_> apw, we'll just add a "dont-eat-CPU" CSS :)
[11:12] <soren> It's an emulator written in javascript. What did you expect? :)
[11:12] <apw> soren, i expected it to be a fake ...
[11:12] <apw> heh even the compiler works
[11:12] <soren> apw: This is Fabrice Bellard, we're talking about.
[11:13] <soren> He does not have a sense of humour we're aware of.
[11:13] <soren> If he says he wrote an emulator in javascript, he means it :)
[11:15] <apw> :)
[12:13] <ogra_> apw, do you usually call debsign ../*.changes manually or are my debian dirs broken ? my package doesnt ask for a passphrase here
[12:14] <ogra_> (during source package build)
[12:14] <apw> dpkg-buildpackage -S -rfakeroot -I.bzr -I.bzr-builddeb -I.git -I.gitignore -i'\.git.*'
[12:14] <apw> ogra_, i use that and it does ask yes
[12:15] <apw> though in my common cause it fails cause i don't have the keys where i build and then i debsign -r anyhow
[12:15] <ogra_> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -S -sa<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:15] <ogra_> thats what i use (no git bits in my source)
[12:16] <apw> so yes i would expect it to ask, cirtainly asked me last time i maked one
[12:16] <ogra_> weird
[12:17] <ogra_> it doesnt with the n900 debian dirs i used as template
[12:19] <apw> isn't asking a something you can turn on/off by default in your personal config
[12:21] <apw> ogra_, do you have gpg installed ?
[12:21] <apw> as it won't ask you to sign unless you have gpg or pgp installed where you make the package
[12:22] <ogra_> yes, indeed i do, i use this machine for development regulary
[12:22] <ogra_> though let me check
[12:22] <apw> then i am stumped
[12:22] <ogra_> BAH !
[12:23] <ogra_> ogra@isis:~/kernel/linux-ac100-2.6.37$ LANG=C ls ~/.gnupg
[12:23] <ogra_> ls: cannot access /home/ogra/.gnupg: No such file or directory
[12:23]  * ogra_ hangs his head in shame
[12:34]  * ppisati -> lunch
[14:09] <Q-FUNK> could anybody help me with bug #783989   ?
[14:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 783989 in linux "spurrious EXT4 errors remount /home read-only" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/783989
[14:10] <Q-FUNK> the end of dmesg seems to indicate what the cause might be, except that I don't know ext4 error codes.
[14:15] <ogasawara> kernel dudes, did we want to resume our weekly IRC meetings today?  If so, I'll prep the agenda in bjf's absence.  If not, we'll defer and start back up next week.
[14:16]  * ogasawara back in 20
[14:16] <tgardner> ogasawara, I think next week should be fine.
[14:16]  * smb does not object to push to next week
[14:26] <apw> ogasawara, yeah we have no idea whats what till the blueprints settle down
[16:09] <sconklin> tgardner: do you want to see whether you have any opinions on this before I revert the patch? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/735171
[16:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 735171 in linux "driver ath9k is too slow or not responding" [Undecided,Fix committed]
[16:09] <sconklin> The Natty commit is 0ce260b37b523766f7fa0dc33b6981f0d85de9e2
[16:10] <sconklin> no huge hurry, I'm about to go to the dentist and it may be tomorrow before I actually rip it
[16:11] <tgardner> sconklin, looking
[16:25] <tgardner> sforshee, can you have a look at bug #735171 ? I'm running out of time today, and sconklin thinks the patch should be reverted. '(pre stable) ath9k_hw: partially revert "fix dma descriptor rx error bit parsing' - but it may already be upstream stable.
[16:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 735171 in linux "driver ath9k is too slow or not responding" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/735171
[16:26] <sforshee> tgardner, will do
[16:37] <jcastro> jjohansen: here's our bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/782127
[16:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 782127 in linux "RTL8192CE causes a lockup on a Thinkpad X120e" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[16:37] <jcastro> jjohansen: I am trying with an oneiric kernel now, it hasn't frozen yet.
[16:44] <jjohansen> jcastro: yeah but your home again, the real test is a noisy environment
[16:44] <jjohansen> jcastro: that said I installed an oneiric kernel too :)
[16:45] <jcastro> jjohansen: I will endevaour to find a noisy spot.
[16:45] <jjohansen> :)
[16:47] <jjohansen> smb: re sever work item, I had assumed I was doing that anyways as I have an apparmor work item for it from the security side of things :)
[16:47] <smb> jjohansen, I was assuming that, so I felt less guilty when volunteering you to the task. :)
[16:54] <ppisati> guys, do we have a list of options that should be turned on to make a vanilla kernel happy with an ubuntu userland?
[16:56] <apw> ppisati, nothing definative i know of
[16:57] <apw> ppisati, things we absolutly require are added to the enforce file, but thats only things we have added more recently
[16:58] <ppisati> uhm
[16:58] <ppisati> k
[16:58] <sforshee> sconklin, re bug #735171, the patch is already in the .38.5 stable release, and a couple of testers reported that the kernel in proposed fixed their problems, so I'd think we should keep the patch
[16:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 735171 in linux "driver ath9k is too slow or not responding" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/735171
[16:59] <sforshee> probably a case of similar symptoms with different causes
[17:00] <mfilipe> will kernel-2.6.39  be released in natty?
[17:02] <apw> mfilipe, there are no plans for that no
[17:02] <mfilipe> hum...
[17:02] <mfilipe> thanks
[17:03] <apw> mfilipe, we only backport kernels to the previous LTS and only then after release
[17:05] <mfilipe> I want solve a problem with my intel graphic-card but the ickle releases patch to only 2.6.39 upstream :S
[17:06] <apw> mfilipe, we do do unsupported builds of mainline
[17:06] <apw> and if you can find the fix, we can try and get that fix into the natty kernel
[17:09] <mfilipe> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36599
[17:09] <ubot2> Freedesktop bug 36599 in Driver/intel "[i915 VGA] VGA output blurred" [Normal,Resolved: duplicate]
[17:10] <mfilipe> I tried apply the patch in kernel but the intel_bios.c is out-of-date
[17:10] <apw> mfilipe, is there an ubuntu bug yet?
[17:10] <mfilipe> yeah... I one second that I will get the link in launchpad
[17:13] <mfilipe> apw, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/671921
[17:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 671921 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "External monitor using VGA has sync issues with KMS" [Undecided,New]
[18:46] <ogra_> apw, so i'm using your patch to lower the console loglevel ... if i set it to 2 as you do, i still get a lot of messages, only setting 1 quietens it, am i missing any additional bits you use with loglevel 2 ?
[18:47] <ogra_> or is my kernel just a noisy beast ?
[18:49] <apw> likely the latter i am afraig ogra_
[18:49] <ogra_> ok, i'll just patch it to 1 then
[18:49] <apw> heh
[18:50]  * ogra_ is really proud, the first kernel package i ever created and it builds *and* even works on first go
[18:51] <ogra_> if one looks into the build stuff its actually easier than it appears on first sight
[18:51] <apw> ogra_, its a hairy beast, but it gives good hugs if you are nice to it
[18:51] <ogra_> hehe, well put
[20:22] <bryceh_> apw, fugly console in oneiric @ 784217
[20:26] <jjohansen> bryceh_: now that is some nice corruption
[21:21] <lamont> did 2.6.37 make getrlimit() privileged such that a non-$foo process cannot determine, among other things, it's open file limit?
[22:02] <jjohansen> lamont: not that I know of, there was some rlimit work to rework how its done in the kernel, change the locking and move around where the security check is done but getrlimit shouldn't be privileged
[22:13] <lamont> jjohansen: so bugs.debian.org/626928 (and 627026) should be referred to the kernel there?
[22:13]  * jjohansen looks
[22:21] <jjohansen> lamont: commit fc832ad3645f0507f24d11752544525a50a83c71 at least at first glance seems to be the fix
[22:21] <jjohansen> so yeah forward to their kernel with that commit #
[22:26] <jjohansen> lamont: or it might be commit aa5bd67dcfdf9af34c7fa36ebc87d4e1f7e91873 that fixed it


[07:27] <elfy> pitti: I'm using something as ps3 media server - worked fine in vivid, works fine in wily if I boot with upstart, but if I boot with systemd - reboot/shutdown hangs for exactly 90s - what can I do to troubleshoot this now I've found what it is?
[07:27] <elfy> the something is serviio - uses java 8
[07:27] <pitti> elfy: I assume you mean "works fine in vivid" == if you boot with upstart?
[07:28] <elfy> in vivid it works fine with either upstart or systemd
[07:28] <pitti> elfy: /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian "Debugging boot/shutdown problems"
[07:28] <pitti> elfy: i. e. enable debug shell, switch to it while shutdown hangs, systemctl list-jobs will show you the running job(s); then you can inspect with systemctl status, journalctl, poke processes, etc.
[07:28] <elfy> ok - I'll have a look then - thanks :)
[07:29] <pitti> elfy: 90s is the standard systemd timeout for start/stop commands
[07:29] <elfy> pitti: ok ty
[13:36] <oSoMoN_> davmor2, hey, have you had a chance to check silo 32 ?
[13:52] <alesage> oSoMoN__, some latency here as we're sprinting
[13:54] <oSoMoN__> alesage, thanks! I understand there is some latency due to the sprint, I just wanted to make sure it doesn’t fall off the radar
[13:54] <alesage> oSoMoN, it never hurts to ping :)
[14:02] <davmor2> oSoMoN: yeap first one today was just in a meeting
[14:02] <oSoMoN> davmor2, awesome, thanks!
[14:02] <oSoMoN> how is it going in Orlando btw?
[14:14] <davmor2> oSoMoN: slowly but it is going.
[15:04] <elfy> pitti: seems2 things are still running, session-c2.scope and sys-subsystem-=net-device-virbr0-nic.device, no idea what either of those have got to do with this ps3 server though - and without that (and it's java tasks) it reboots as expected
[15:10] <pitti> elfy: the virbr0 thingy sounds relevant, something from libvirt? I think I faintly remember some similar reports during vivid, but they were pretty much completely fixed with bug 1438612
[15:10] <pitti> elfy: if you can reproduce that in a VM somehow, I'd highly appreciate a bug report
[15:11] <pitti> elfy: if you manually shutdown the virbr0 device in the debug shell, does shutdown resume normally then?
[15:11] <elfy> not sure pitti
[15:11] <elfy> what I'm right in the middle of is removing qemu as I don't use it much anyway
[15:11] <pitti> qemu?
[15:12] <pitti> that shouldn't affect shutdown at all; libvirt surely would
[15:12] <elfy> kvm or whatever - that I believe is where libvirt got installed at least
[15:14] <balloons> breaking things again I see elfy
[15:14] <elfy> balloons: there is a Y in the day :)
[15:15] <balloons> if you are up for it, the live q and a in 45 mins will have some QA folks in it.. I'd love for you to grill them :-)
[15:17] <ianorlyn> although if you end up dual booting with qemu I might need to find a way to manually eject the disk as it won't eject the install media if it is not the first install on the vm if you try to disconnect the cd in virt manager for me but I think that is basically virt-manager doesn't expect dual boot vms
[15:23] <elfy> pitti: so without libvirt - it was just session-c2.scope running - seemingly no way to stop that
[15:23] <pitti> elfy: that's your user session; perhaps something is hung there?
[15:23] <elfy> anyway I'll see if I can see it in a vm install and use that
[15:23] <pitti> elfy: loginctl session-status c2
[15:24] <pitti> elfy: that shows you the processes that are running in that session
[15:24] <pitti> elfy: kill them one by one to find the culprit?
[15:24] <elfy> pitti: if I don't go to vt9 with the debug shell - but just let it do it'sd thing - and then ctrl+al+del a bunch of times - it tells me alsa is trying to start
[15:24] <elfy> but - as I said going to set up a vm the same as this and hope that fails too - this rebooting in 90s is driving me nuts :p
[15:25] <pitti> elfy: yes, please let's debug this; you can be sure that affects more people :)
[15:25] <elfy> balloons: where live session- and is there an IRC channel to grill people
[15:25] <pitti> elfy: but I haven't gotten a report about hanging session-*.scope yet, so I can't give any tips in advance
[15:26] <elfy> pitti: yep,aas soon as I'm set I'll let you know and we can go from there
[15:27] <balloons> ubuntuonair.com, #ubuntu-on-air
[15:27] <balloons> happening in 30 mins :-)]
[15:29] <elfy> ok - just opening up the 50 page doc of grievances ...
[15:29] <elfy> I'll just paste that :p
[15:30] <balloons> elfy, perfect.. we won't be short on content
[15:32] <elfy> ha ha ha
[15:33] <elfy> balloons: 1700UTC is in ~90 minutes ...
[15:34] <elfy> oh nvm - got an e-mail just now :p
[15:42] <balloons> elfy, I was wrong.. mhall119 corrected me,,. 1700 it is
[15:45] <elfy> balloons: so 17:00 UTC for sure?
[15:45] <elfy> I have 3 nice questions lined up :)
[15:46] <wxl> awwwwwwwww fooey
[15:46] <balloons> elfy, yes 1700 for sure
[15:46] <balloons> wxl, if you have a question, leave it and I'll ask it
[15:47] <balloons> I'm sorry i jumped the gun on the time!
[15:47] <balloons> just excitied
[15:47] <wxl> thx balloons
[15:47] <wxl> esp. thx for including lubuntu-qa!
[15:47] <wxl> saves me the trouble XD
[15:47] <balloons> ofc!
[15:48] <elfy> hong kong phooey
[15:49] <elfy> xubuntu didn't get one :|
[15:49] <elfy> hating on Nick now ...
[15:49] <wxl> i ♥ hong kong phooey
[15:49]  * wxl used to have the lunch box
[15:50] <elfy> lol
[15:51] <mhall119> balloons: yeah, I've updated our calendar event to match
[15:52] <balloons> excellent
[15:54] <balloons> elfy<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or >
[15:54] <balloons> ?
[15:54] <elfy> balloons: that is our dev list - that's where our QA stuff goes
[15:58] <balloons> there you go
[16:40] <elfy> pitti: ok - reproduced in vbox - if you really want me to jump through the hoops from qemu let me know, but at least I can debug sensibly now
[16:53] <aikidouke> are there scheduled quality team meetings?
[16:56] <pitti> elfy: how do you mean "jump through the hoops"? if you can reproduce it and have a recipe how to set up QEMU that it hangs, that's all I need :)
[16:57] <elfy> pitti: I mean actually reinstall something I don't use :p
[16:57] <elfy> but I'm doing that now
[16:57] <pitti> elfy: oh, "vbox" -- that'll do too
[16:58] <pitti> elfy: when I said "QEMU" I really meant "check if you can reproduce this from a clean install in a standard environment"
[16:58] <pitti> elfy: i. e. just open a bug, tell me what exactly you did to get the hang, and I'll see to reproduce it
[16:59] <elfy> pitti: what shall I report it against then?
[17:00] <mhall119> balloons: and whomever is joining you on the Q&A: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYc_Jg_IyTLOUIpvtL24uYefe8mWf-6639QfspZIAHUEtjyPdg?authuser=2&hl=en
[17:00] <elfy> pitti: I assume systemd
[17:00] <balloons> mhall119, ack
[17:02] <balloons> mhall119, we'll be a moment
[17:02] <mhall119> ok
[17:03] <pitti> elfy: systemd sounds okay, I'll reassign it as appropriate (probably libvirt -- but do start with sytsemd, it collects interesting logs)
[17:03] <elfy> pitti: ack
[17:03] <elfy> I'll just finish up qemu as well now I've started :)
[17:04] <pitti> elfy: argh, sorry for the confusion and double work
[17:04] <elfy> pitti: no matter - best to prove it where I can I think :)
[17:35] <elfy> pitti: bug 1456730 I think I got everything
[17:47] <Kamilion> Curious about how/if Xen gets tested (in or out of openstack)
[17:51] <kenvandine> ubuntu-qa: is it possible to automate integration testing for content transfers that require using multiple processes yet?
[17:51] <kenvandine> i created those testability peers to aid in this, but i think we still need work there
[17:52] <kenvandine> i think we could possibly test transfers between the testibility peers, but not initiated by url-dispatcher
[17:53] <kenvandine> there wouldn't be a way to test the success or failure
[17:53] <kenvandine> this is specifically around testing this branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/content-hub/url-dispatcher/+merge/259039
[17:54] <kenvandine> url-dispatcher is a fire and forget kind of thing, we won't have any way to confirm the other end succeeded in an automated way... it would launch another app
[17:54] <kenvandine> vrruiz, ^^
[18:10] <balloons> nuclearbob, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-quality/2015-May/005962.html is the mailing list thread. I think a reply from you would make some folks happy :-)
[18:12] <elfy> balloons: anyway - so my main milestone issue is that last couple of cycles - everyone but Ubuntu has had to chase up issues that do affect Ubuntu
[18:13] <elfy> if - everyone diodn't bother with milestones until Final - there's just going to be more being shouted about right at the end
[18:14]  * wxl notes that there does not seem to be a ticket for the jenkins thing on rt
[18:15] <balloons> elfy, ahh. Sorry I didn't pick that up in the question. So your concern is that the issues wouldn't be noticed if flavors didn't test during milestones
[18:15] <wxl> in fact a search for jenkins in content only pulls up two tickets, both of which are resolved
[18:16] <wxl> so maybe it would be wise to report this to rt so we can track status, elfy/balloons
[18:16] <balloons> wxl, that's correct, there is no RT atm.
[18:16] <wxl> that way we don't have to ask the question about where it's at
[18:19] <wxl> balloons: elfy: if you guys don't have time, let me know and i'll jump in!
[18:19] <balloons> wxl, sure go for it :-)
[18:21] <wxl> oh man so excited to hear that formal testing is on the way!!!
[18:21]  * wxl just catching up on what i missed on ubuntu on air
[18:25] <elfy> balloons: yes - that's my issue in a nut shell :)
[18:27] <balloons> elfy, that's an excellent point. So given the fact ubuntu will continue with only a couple milestones, what can we do to mitigate issues? I think having those installer tests and the information obtained more readily consumable would allay your concerns. Would you agree?
[18:29] <elfy> I'd hope that would get closer to allaying them :p
[18:31] <wxl> sent
[18:31] <elfy> balloons: tbh - not sure what *we're* going to do yet milestone wise
[18:31] <elfy> balloons: also concerned that ALL flavours help with setting the 'pre-Ubuntu'milestones up too
[18:32] <elfy> Kubuntu/Xubuntu and Lubuntu did the last cycles ones
[18:33] <balloons> elfy, do you not think it's well represented? As I said, I thought you collectively have been doing a great job
[18:33] <elfy> balloons: not what I mean at all - I'll be sorely pissed off if the same people end up doing it over and over again is all :)
[18:34] <elfy> the other flavours need to also step up to the plate
[18:34] <balloons> elfy, it would seem to me however, dropping a milestone or two is still probably a good idea for most flavors. But that's just me. I think this has been reflected by teams skipping one
[18:35] <elfy> yea - we're likely to start at Beta again - though that's not set in stone yet
[18:35] <balloons> elfy, ahh.. yes, ubuntu gnome and ubuntu mate should play a role this time around. I believe / trust they will, but we can urge them towards that
[18:35] <elfy> ali hates irc :p
[18:35] <balloons> kylin as well.. :-)
[18:35] <elfy> yep
[18:35] <balloons> elfy, :-)
[18:36] <balloons> ok, so I think for the moment then focusing on getting ubiquity tests running again is a good way forward
[18:37] <elfy> yep - agreed
[18:37] <balloons> then, making sure other flavors provide coverage for milestones, while encouraging them to review how many they wish to have would be next
[18:37] <balloons> awesome, nice to be on the same page :-)
[18:37] <elfy> for sure :)
[18:38] <alesage> kenvandine, FYI we're sprinting, sure that ubuntu-qa wants to answer your q in time :) ^^
[18:38] <elfy> balloons: so the next question - who was that bouncing about on your bed :p
[18:39] <kenvandine> alesage, thx, i can't think of a way we can test the url-dispatcher stuff, since it's really a fire and forget
[18:39] <veebers> kenvandine: what would be involved? Do you need to launch 2 apps or something at a lower level?
[18:39] <kenvandine> but vrruiz is blocking my landing :)
[18:39] <kenvandine> well i need to run url-dispatcher with a content url
[18:39] <kenvandine> then handle the app that it opens
[18:40] <kenvandine> but url-dispatcher won't tell me if the content transfer succeeded or not
[18:40] <kenvandine> it just hands it off
[18:43] <veebers> kenvandine: If the app that is launched is launched with testability that autopilot will be able to introspect it
[18:43] <balloons> elfy, you got to see Leo and Max, who are elopio and nuclearbob respectively
[18:44] <kenvandine> veebers, can url-dispatcher launch an app with testability?
[18:44] <elfy> balloons: I thought Leo was elopio -wasn't sure the hairy beardy was though :p
[18:45] <kenvandine> and actually it's harder than that
[18:45] <kenvandine> url-dispatcher calls content-hub-send which creates a transfer with the content-hub-service which launches messaging-app with ubuntu-app-launch
[18:46] <kenvandine> so quite a few levels there, plus dbus
[18:47] <kenvandine> we've never been able automate that stuff, and hadn't allocated the time to do all that for this sprint
[18:47] <pitti> elfy: thanks for your report! will check tomorrow
[18:48] <elfy> pitti: okey doke - thought you'd gone home by now :)
[18:48] <pitti> elfy: technically I never left home :)
[18:48] <pitti> elfy: but I was checking some important bug again
[18:48] <elfy> :)
[19:03] <veebers> kenvandine: If you want to <trigger url-dispatch> -> [blackbox] -> Apps is launched and displays received details. You should be able to.
[19:04] <veebers> kenvandine: Just in a meeting at the mo. but you should be able to set the testability env var for the launch of the app (at the end there)
[19:14] <elfy> wxl: lol - where did you drag piskie up from :) I don't see that nick much anymore
[19:36] <balloons> elopio, http://people.canonical.com/~nskaggs/core-apps-test-sponsoring.html. I believe calc, terminal and docviewer are worthy of a look
[20:10] <wxl> elfy:
[20:11] <wxl> 1310 -!- elfy [elfy@ubuntu/member/forestpiskie]
[20:11] <wxl> 1310 -!-  ircname  : forestpiskie
[20:11] <elfy> heh - don'toften look at that :)
[20:11] <wxl> is that your launchpad id??/
[20:12] <elfy> elfy is
[20:12] <elfy> everywhere but the old freenode account
[20:12] <elfy> and that e-mail address is almost dead now too
[20:13] <elfy> LP is correct
[20:59] <elopio> sjcazzol: http://people.canonical.com/~nskaggs/core-apps-test-sponsoring.html
[21:01] <elfy> evening elopio - you made my day bouncing on that bed :p
[21:01] <elfy> at least it looked like a bed ...
[21:40] <balloons> sjcazzol, hello
[21:40] <balloons> sjcazzol, https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/autopilot/add-wm-sandbox-run/+merge/242274
[21:43] <balloons> sjcazzol, elopio autopilot3-sandbox-run -X -s 400x600
[21:43] <sjcazzol> balloons,
[21:43] <sjcazzol> balloons, thanks


[00:22] <CHR0N0S> hello all
[01:29] <skinux> Are "Ubuntu apps" written using web technologies specific to "Ubuntu" desktop or is it compatible with Kubuntu?
[01:46] <ken> hello
[01:47] <Guest67681> Can icons be changed in kubuntu
[01:47] <Guest67681> can the background colour of windows be changed, and the title bars
[01:56] <Guest67681> hello
[02:09] <Guest67681> hello
[05:12] <hyper_ch> hi there, I have a weird issue: when I attach an external usb 3 drive to a usb 3 port it doesn't show up anymore. It used to work just fine. However when I attach it to a usb 2 port it works
[05:21] <buriedalive> hyper_ch, maybe bug, your os?
[05:21] <hyper_ch> buriedalive: after switching a few times between usb 2 and 3 ports it started working
[05:21] <hyper_ch> thx though
[05:21] <hyper_ch> for making a hot copy of the 512gb ssd I just prefer usb 3 :)
[05:21] <buriedalive> I'm in 12.04 lts, workin' all around
[05:21] <buriedalive> hm
[05:22] <buriedalive> your os precise?
[05:23] <hyper_ch> me?
[05:23] <buriedalive> yea
[05:23] <hyper_ch> 14.04
[05:23] <buriedalive> mm
[05:23] <buriedalive> my is 12.04
[05:23] <hyper_ch> a  little while back a guy in #linux-raid told me he runs in his notebook in raid1 mode with single disk usually... and for makng a hotcopy he expands it to 2 disks and syncs it :) so I do the same now
[05:24] <hyper_ch> on usb 3 the hotcopy of the ssd to usb 3 takes just about 2h (instead of like 20h with usb2)
[05:26] <buriedalive> I dont know this problem yet
[05:26] <hyper_ch> thx anyway
[05:58] <wafflejock> is installing gnome in a Kubuntu 14.04 install going to cause problems?
[05:58] <wafflejock> just want to use a gnome fax frontend for hylafax and curious about newer versions of gnome but not sure if that is going to cause a meltdown
[06:02] <wafflejock> eh just gonna do it in a VM for now
[07:30] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:35] <Naphatul> "ls: cannot open directory .local/share/applications/: Permission denied" is this how the permissions are supposed to be set up or did i mess it up?
[07:35] <Naphatul> because i can't change file associations because it's giving me the same permissions error
[07:36] <Naphatul> drwx------ 2 root    root     4096 авг  4 15:50 applications
[07:36] <lordievader> Naphatul: Have you started a gui application with sudo?
[07:36] <Naphatul> should that be owned by root?
[07:37] <Naphatul> lordievader: not that i remember
[07:37] <valorie> wafflejock: any of the applications or flavor desktops are available to all *buntu users
[07:37] <valorie> kubuntu, ubuntu, gnomebuntu, lubuntu, xubuntu etc.
[07:38] <Naphatul> can someone post how their permissions of ~/.local/share/applications are?
[07:38] <lordievader> Naphatul: Hmm, that could be one of the causes.
[07:39] <lordievader> Naphatul: sudo chown $USER:$USER -R ~/.local/share/applications
[07:41] <Naphatul> lordievader: yeah that fixed it, no idea how it got this way, i only added 1 .desktop file there
[07:52] <Ab3L> valorie: how do i know who are you?
[07:52] <valorie> wearing a gray shirt with the Bilbao blue propeller-looking symbol on it
[07:53] <Ab3L> and you mean Geneva Switerland, right?
[07:55] <Ab3L> ok coming 11-14 minutes. i have black tousers and a T-shirt blue and gray.
[07:56] <kourosh> hi
[07:56] <kourosh> i have some question about Qtractor
[07:56] <lordievader> o/
[07:56] <kourosh> can any body help me?
[07:57] <kourosh> ??
[07:59] <valorie> and yes, Geneva Switzerland
[08:00] <valorie> kourosh: you might get along better in a Qt channel or ?
[08:02] <kourosh> how to connect to at channel
[08:02] <kourosh> what is IRC server and port
[08:02] <kourosh> ?
[08:03] <lordievader> !alis | kourosh
[08:04] <valorie> kourosh: if it is on another server, google will probably find it just as well for you, as for me
[08:04]  * valorie has never heard of Qtractor before now
[08:05] <kourosh> ok thanks
[08:10] <wafflejock> valorie: thanks just went with a VM for now cause I don't want to backup and this is my primary system but appreciate the answer
[08:10] <valorie> cool
[08:10] <valorie> whatever works
[08:11] <wafflejock> gotta say I really like Gnome as well, maybe will try Unity again too... so hard to choose
[08:11] <valorie> shutting down for a bit
[08:25] <CHR0N0S> Nobody talking I see!!!
[08:38] <lordievader> wafflejock: Hihi, Unity... ;)
[08:39] <wafflejock> lordievader: yeah dunno about that but they did fix some of the stuff I complained about in 14.04
[08:40] <wafflejock> lordievader: was liking KDE but decided to start using Thunderbird so feel like I'm pulling more and more out of it now
[08:41] <wafflejock> not a huge deal to me since I tend to customize them all to be fairly similar in the end anyhow, but liking the gnome Activities thingy and having nothing there otherwise, I overcluttered my KDE
[08:43] <lordievader> Gnome has activities?
[09:18] <soee> lordievader: gnome shell does i think
[09:24] <lordievader> soee: Didn't know that. Do they work similar to KDE's activities?
[09:34] <soee> lordievader: no idea, or maybe iv seen it in elementaryos
[09:34] <soee> i m using only kubunut :D
[09:36] <Naphatul> is it possible to make dolphin display mp3 tag cover art?
[09:38] <lordievader> soee: Oh well, it matters not ;)
[11:12] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:27] <dmital> #EngContact
[14:54] <David1965> is there a patch for the kernel for Linux what will fix the problem with system units running the m2n68-la (Narra3) motherboards which causes the hard-drive light to stay on when it should just flicker
[15:12] <David1965> who ever has been asking which version of Kubuntu to install if your machine is old running a Pentium then i386 is the way to go if you have a new system then it is better to install the 64bit version
[15:13] <David1965> where are the distro builders hanging out
[15:14] <David1965> and anyway who ever wrote the kernel didn't realise that some system units have m2n68-la (Narra3) motherboards installed
[15:16] <David1965> and it is the reason I ditched Microsoft Windows XP Pro for Linux
[15:27] <David1965> cryptodan_android you there my friend
[16:11] <MichaelP> is going to be any difference in using project neon install or using kubuntu install adding project neon repo ?
[16:14] <BluesKaj> MichaelP, there' no difference
[16:16] <BluesKaj> you have to install kubuntu then install kde with project neon ppas afterwards
[16:17] <BluesKaj> or projection versions of kde packages
[16:17] <MichaelP> BluesKaj: alright thanks... Ran plasma5 for awhile on 14.10.... Thenwent back to arch... only place they have plasma5 desktop is in aur and some of it don't want to build...
[16:17] <BluesKaj> err project neon versions rather
[16:18] <BluesKaj> aur is for arch, don't fool with that
[16:19] <MichaelP> i know... and suse.. the desktop ends up going black with plasma 5...
[16:20] <BluesKaj> I tried plasma5, but it's too broken for normal use and the look is awful
[16:22] <MichaelP> only problem i have so far is glx gets shaky so have to use egl
[16:23] <MichaelP> now i like the look of plasma 5... alot cleaner
[16:24] <BluesKaj> well, it's a matter of taste as always , but the icons look too much like symbols to me ...guess I'm a bit old fashioned
[16:24] <MichaelP> I think is what kde should do.. is build a version of kde with plasma5 default
[16:26] <MichaelP> Yeah.. but look at when kde4 1st released.. It was broken and look where it is now..
[16:26] <BluesKaj> rumour is that it's being discussed as default in 15.10
[16:26] <BluesKaj> still a lotta work needed
[16:27] <MichaelP> I mean kde needs to build it around kde.. like insted of kde 4.x.x ... build kde 5.0 with plasma 5
[16:29] <BluesKaj> yes, that's what I mean, kf5 isn't kde5 altho a lot of users think so
[16:30] <MichaelP> kf5 in just kde framework 5
[16:32] <BluesKaj> yup
[16:33] <MichaelP> framework 5 is just what.. the gui on top of kde 4 ?
[16:33] <BluesKaj> I'm sticking with the default due to the breakage I had trying plasma5 twice...learned my lesson
[16:34] <MichaelP> What kind of breakage you have
[16:36] <MichaelP> onlything bad i notice is glx gets shaky so use egl... and flash in youtube is a little slow
[16:38] <BluesKaj> krunner wouldn't launch and kate was totally MIA, and dolphin was slow and ponderous
[16:39] <MichaelP> ohh ok...
[16:40] <BluesKaj> on this laptop...din't try it on my 2008 vintage HP dual core 3G Ram desktop
[16:40] <BluesKaj> on 14.10 btw
[16:42] <MichaelP> Reboot into installed system... now and see what have.... I running an old x86 32 but 3.2 ghz 1500 mb ram... 512 mb on video card... I might go back to 14.10... Add the same themes i had in arch... breeze and the breeze icons... making kde 4.13 look like plasma 5
[16:50] <MichaelP> so far seems pretty good
[16:52] <BluesKaj> well, have fun, I'm not trying 5 until it's a bit more stable
[16:52] <soee_> BluesKaj: hehe, it works fine though some features are missing
[16:53] <soee_> but next week plasma 5.1 shuld be released
[16:53] <soee_> so lets have faith
[16:55] <MichaelP> It's not as fast as normar default
[16:56] <BluesKaj> heh 14.10 still runs better than 14.04.1 on the desktop pc...hate to see what happens when 14.04 tries to rub kf5/plasma5 and qt5
[16:57] <BluesKaj> rub=run
[16:57] <MichaelP> If ppa would do a plasma 5 build for 14.04
[16:58] <MichaelP> neon the only build for 14.04
[16:58] <BluesKaj> neon isn't my cuppa tea
[17:13] <merankullh> Hello. I've installed Kubuntu 14 and erased my Windows from my old main hard drive. I forgot to erase my drivers before i installed kubuntu and format my SSD.
[17:14] <merankullh> My gpu is now overheating and i can't find a way to erase old windows supported drivers from my hd 6870
[17:15] <merankullh> I also can't install new drivers because it says that i am lacking something that's required for installation of linux drivers. Can anyone help me at this issue?
[17:15] <BluesKaj> merankullh, if erased windows then your windows drivers are gone too
[17:15] <merankullh> Okay but why is my GPU is overheated? Ever since i opened up the installation menu, my GPU fan started to go crazy
[17:16] <merankullh> It's currently working at around %40 and heat is 60 this is not normal.
[17:19] <MichaelP> preject neon screwed up after dist-upgrade... so i guess go to 14.10
[17:24] <newbie> Hi
[17:24] <MichaelP> hello
[17:27] <BluesKaj> merankullh, which graphics ?
[17:28] <BluesKaj> oops, he's long gone
[17:28] <MichaelP> BluesKaj: you said you on 14.10 right
[17:28] <BluesKaj> MichaelP, yes
[17:29] <MichaelP> what file system you use ?
[17:29] <BluesKaj> ext4
[17:31] <MichaelP> just wondered.. cause i read there alot of imporements in btrfs in the 3:16 kernel
[17:35] <BluesKaj> MichaelP, I don't experiment wih file ssytems since I don't know much about them
[17:36] <MichaelP> ohh ok
[17:38] <MichaelP> unemi don't know if he coming or going
[17:40] <BluesKaj> gotta run some errands...BBL
[17:59] <ovrflw0x> BluesKaj, you alive?
[17:59] <ovrflw0x> what's wrong with the "upstart" script why is it not running at boot? http://sprunge.us/GFOS
[18:10] <MrSmith> Hello, i made a mistake. I tried to install a game with wine... The game starts in a small window, i close the game and the window was very small... i use the setting window to change the size of the display and press ok. now the display ist black and i can't change something. give it a way to reset the display configuration?
[18:24] <lordievader> maggux: Log out and back in.
[18:26] <lordievader> ovrflw0x: Run init-checkconf over it, that will tell you if there are errors with the upstart script.
[22:53] <sithlord48> any one know if its possible to have dolphin run a command automaticly when you view a folder (i.e auto run grive to sync my google drive if i try to view it)


[16:36] <blackboxsw> falcojr: rjschwei thanks for the pyversion checks PR. Just landed https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/857
[17:01] <rjschwei> falcojr: blackboxsw thanks for the help
[17:33] <blackboxsw> np... better late than never.
[17:34] <blackboxsw> falcojr: just waiting on CI for the network activators PR https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/919
[18:10] <blackboxsw> falcojr: one CI fix on the above as the available_mocks don't seem to have worked on the NetworkManagerActitivator.available check
[18:13] <blackboxsw> I think we are missing  the following https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/S9yxyk4CR5/
[18:17] <falcojr> thanks, I'll make the update
[18:25] <blackboxsw> falcojr: BTW nice use of pytest.yield_fixture for the consolidating reused sets of mocks it makes reading the unit tests much easier. that was a TIL moment for me on this PR
[18:26] <blackboxsw> in my mind, definitely beats a set of  class-level @mock.patch decorators queued, plus duplicating all those mocked params on every test
[18:33] <falcojr> yeah, all of the mocking stuff can get pretty complicated. Glad you find this better, but it all still feels a little janky to me :)
[18:37] <blackboxsw> yes  toomanymocks == bad smell
[18:37] <blackboxsw> but we can happily sweep it under the carpet with fixtures
[18:37] <blackboxsw> :)
[18:37] <falcojr> heh
[19:23] <blackboxsw> falcojr: one more review for you https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/932/files
[19:25] <blackboxsw> also will let you squash merge the approved https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/919


[22:39] <schnuffle> simplew:  its hard to debate about taste. I prefer KDE as well but that a question of taste
[22:39] <Popopo> kasii, I am opening this site
[22:39]  * scientes uses gnome-shell
[22:39] <scientes> l_r, no, gcc 4.6
[22:39] <Adzy> scientes: So how do I get outgoing working?
[22:39] <scientes> Adzy, well you should turn off your firewall
[22:40] <Popopo> kasii, did you download ubuntu 32bit version?
[22:40] <Adzy> ok
[22:40] <Popopo> and... do you have installed WINE?
[22:40] <kasii> Popopo,  yes 32 bit
[22:40] <scientes> Popopo, you dont have to install wine if they have an ubuntu version
[22:40] <Popopo> anyway you have the version 5 with the software centre of Ubuntu.
[22:40] <scientes> Popopo, even if it uses winelib internally
[22:41] <ActionParsnip> l_r: http://paste.ubuntu.com/919667/
[22:41] <kasii> Popopo, when i  open it with ubuntu software center it tell me reinstall
[22:41] <Popopo> sciente. I have no a correct answer for this, but it for me needs it
[22:41] <Popopo> aaah
[22:41] <Popopo> so already you have it installed kasii
[22:41] <Popopo> don't you?
[22:41] <l_r> is there any way to have gcc4.7 without needing to recompile it from scratch (it takes hours) ?
[22:41] <ActionParsnip> l_r: however: http://paste.ubuntu.com/919669/
[22:42] <excalibour> how can i install vlc for web based home media server on 10.04
[22:42] <scientes> l_r, l_r http://packages.debian.org/experimental/gcc
[22:42] <simplew> schnuffle: should i download kubuntu or ubuntu?
[22:42] <ActionParsnip> excalibour: enable the interface in the advanced preferences
[22:42] <l_r> it looks i ll have the change to install it
[22:42] <ActionParsnip> excalibour: you'll need to edit the vlc .hosts file to allow your network subnet
[22:42] <codezombie> hey, what are the required permissions for using real time scheduling with ionice?
[22:43] <scientes> l_r, i'd just install it from debian experimental
[22:43] <codezombie> I'd like to use it as non root, but doesn't seem to want to cooperate
[22:43] <schnuffle> simplew: I would go for ubuntu. In my opinion its better integrated. But as it has Unity and I don't like it I moved to lubuntu
[22:43] <l_r> is it possible to mix packages from debian?
[22:43] <kasii> Popopo, it ask  me to reinstall but it fails to insa
[22:43] <ActionParsnip> l_r: its possiblebut will break your OS
[22:43] <scientes> l_r, oh wait, its in sid, only sometimes
[22:43] <bekks> l_r: Possible, technically, but you will break your system most likely.
[22:43] <Popopo> I see
[22:43] <kasii> Popopo, it ask  me to reinstall but it fails to install it repeat for many times
[22:43] <l_r> hmm
[22:44] <scientes> l_r, http://packages.debian.org/sid/gcc-4.7
[22:44] <excalibour> ActionParsnip where is the hosts file, and how will i start the server afterwards? would editing make me have a web based control?
[22:44] <Popopo> if it fails maybe something wrong with the packages. Don't you think?
[22:44] <Popopo> ok
[22:44] <Popopo> I See
[22:44] <simplew> schnuffle: unity???
[22:44] <Popopo> open a shell and write teamv+tab
[22:44] <Popopo> let's check if it works on this way
[22:45] <ActionParsnip> excalibour: /etc/vlc/lua/http/.hosts
[22:45] <kasii>  Popopo how  do i open shell
[22:45] <Popopo> ...
[22:46] <ActionParsnip> excalibour: yes, enable the remote control and web control interfaces, then restart vlc.You can now connect to it via http://ipaddress:8080
[22:46] <Popopo> ... 2 options... or praying
[22:46] <Popopo> or in menu... tools, check for shell
[22:46] <excalibour> maybe allready installed, lemme try first
[22:47] <eertre> goodday to all, anyone online here?
[22:47] <excalibour> i think so as 8080 port yielded a blank page, so there must be something
[22:47] <ActionParsnip> excalibour: you'll also be able to control it via apps on smartphones
[22:47] <eertre> can i get some help, please !?
[22:47] <excalibour> ActionParsnip where s the file to edit?
[22:47] <eertre> should i get a ticket!? :p
[22:48] <kasii>  Popopo are u there
[22:48] <bekks> ! ask | eertre
[22:48] <eertre> bekks u real or bot ?!
[22:48] <Popopo> kasii
[22:48] <Popopo> yes
[22:48] <Popopo> I am writing you in a private
[22:48] <Popopo> and by here too
[22:48] <bekks> eertre: Some say this, some say that. Just ask you question. :)
[22:49] <kasii> tell me Popopo
[22:49] <eertre> so, i am on win 7, i had made a partition design when i installed system ... i want to erase win 7 and install ubuntu ... what do i do then about format and partitioning?
[22:49] <kasii> how to get remote control application for pc
[22:49] <Popopo> kasii, I can tell you that you ... really you don't know how to open a shell?
[22:49] <Popopo> aaah
[22:49] <eertre> if i choose erase windows from install menu, i get only one partition, the one where the ubuntu will be installed?
[22:49] <Popopo> ok
[22:49] <Popopo> kasii
[22:49] <excalibour> just seen sorry
[22:49] <Popopo> let's start
[22:49] <kasii> okay Popopo
[22:50] <bekks> eertre: Just insert the install cd, and partition like you want - or just choose the default, and let the installer do that work.
[22:50] <Popopo> suposly you have teamviewer already
[22:50] <ActionParsnip> excalibour: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8850924/Screenshot%20from%202012-04-07%2023%3A49%3A00.png
[22:50] <Popopo> but it doesn't work
[22:50] <aJacom> Are there any real (performance) issues when using a Wubi ubuntu installation? Is there any reason why it is preferrable to partition the HD for installing it? Thanks.
[22:50] <Popopo> and we don't know why
[22:50] <ActionParsnip> (23:45:09) ActionParsnip: excalibour: /etc/vlc/lua/http/.hosts       THAT is the file to edit
[22:50] <Popopo> when you try to re-install it, it make mistakes
[22:50] <Popopo> di***
[22:50] <Popopo> do****
[22:51] <eertre> bekks, u are not helping me, if u have the patience to help me good, if not i will ask someone else
[22:51] <Fyodorovna> aJacom, a little slower, and just a file in windows....you do the math.
[22:51] <Popopo> you already downloaded last version from the site
[22:51] <eertre> what u told me i already knew ...
[22:51] <eertre> how do i do it ?!
[22:51] <Popopo> I guess you installed it
[22:51] <Popopo> don't you?
[22:51] <eertre> this process - format, partitioning - is different from windows
[22:51] <Popopo> Which ubuntu are you using now?
[22:51] <bekks> eertre: You can just choose "Automatic" in the installer.
[22:52] <bekks> eertre: And the installer will do it for you.
[22:52] <excalibour> ActionParsnip>> sorry but mine is server, btw i dont seem to have lua folder under vlc but http. under http there s nothing, no files/folders
[22:52] <kasii> it
[22:52] <foo> I'm trying to install dropbox, and it says this:  written to stdout [15794278/15794278] - where can I find something if it's written to sdout? I used these intructions: https://www.dropbox.com/install?os=lnx
[22:52] <kasii> Popopo,  ubuntu 10.10
[22:52] <ActionParsnip> excalibour: try:  sudo updatedb; locate hosts | grep vlc
[22:52] <eertre> is anyone here who is really a helper?
[22:52] <ActionParsnip> eertre: many
[22:52] <Popopo> gnome? or another windows interface?
[22:52] <Fyodorovna> !help | eertre
[22:52] <eph3meral> is there a multi-paste clipboard somewhere in ubuntu?
[22:52] <eph3meral> I use XFCE
[22:52] <eertre> tell me one who isnt to lazy to talk
[22:53] <excalibour> ActionParsnip>>ok,trying
[22:53] <eertre> ActionParsnip, can i ask u?
[22:53] <ActionParsnip> eertre: just ask the channel
[22:54] <Fyodorovna> eertre, your loosing helpers every post you make by not following the channel parameters.
[22:54] <aJacom> Are there any real (performance) issues when using a Wubi ubuntu installation? Is there any reason why it is preferrable to partition the HD for installing it? (Sorry if I already posted this...)
[22:54] <itaylor57> eph3meral, xfce has a clipboard plugin
[22:54] <excalibour> ActionParsnip>> canu have  a look at : http://pastebin.com/BPNaNtx8
[22:55] <Adzy> Anyone know how to make a VM a DMZ through router when I cant find a local ip in router?
[22:55] <Fyodorovna> aJacom, read what the wubi designer says. http://howsoftwareisbuilt.com/2009/03/12/interview-with-agostino-russo-wubi-ubuntu/
[22:55] <eph3meral> itaylor57, cool, installing now thanks
[22:55] <eertre> so i am on a 750 GB HDD, i have 3 partitions C - 350 gb D - 200 gb E - 150 gb, on C i have windows 7 ... i dont need anything from this harddisk, i want to format it all, and want to install ubuntu ... how do i format from ubuntu ?! can i do it when i install ubuntu!? when i click on ERASE WINDOWS from install ubuntu setup i dont see any option for format ... will ubuntu install keep my
[22:55] <eertre> partitioning or do i need to make it again?
[22:55] <ActionParsnip> excalibour: ok, edit those in turn and you will see networks and you can uncomment / edit a line to allow your network to connect. The default is to only allow localhost
[22:55] <eph3meral> itaylor57, do you use XFCE?
[22:55] <itaylor57> eph3meral, yes
[22:56] <eph3meral> cool, I love it :)
[22:56] <ruum> hey guys do know how to download all the image files from a URL folder -- example wget http://somedomain.com/images/ to a local directory?
[22:56] <ActionParsnip> eertre: do you want to dual boot?
[22:56] <excalibour> ActionParsnip>> still no file under http, somewhere else?
[22:56] <eertre> no, i dony want anything from the harddisk
[22:56] <eertre> just a new fresh installed ubuntu copy
[22:56] <eph3meral> I was soooo pissed at both Unity and GNOME3
[22:56] <ActionParsnip> excalibour: did you edit the file, then restart the app?
[22:56]  * scientes likes gnome-shell
[22:57] <ruum> does anyone know?
[22:57] <excalibour> ActionParsnip there s no file to edit, sorry, with ls i get a blank prompt under http
[22:57] <ActionParsnip> eertre: the installer will make the partitions for you, if you set to use the whole drive it will delete Windows and install Ubuntu for you
[22:57] <aJacom> ?
[22:57] <eertre> ActionParsnip, how does the installer know how i want the partition to be?
[22:57] <ActionParsnip> excalibour: the command outputted some file names, edit those with nano to enable the local subnet
[22:58] <beaglebr1ath> How do you execute a command and have it execute from another /dev/pts/# ?  i.e. execute clear from /dev/pts/2 but executes on /dev/pts/3
[22:58] <excalibour> isnt it weird that şs doesnt show files?
[22:58] <excalibour> *ls
[22:58] <eertre> you really dont want to pay atention to my problem, because if u read carefuly u will understand what i am saying
[22:58] <ActionParsnip> eertre: it will make a partition for swap and the rest for / (includes all folders), if you want to setup your own partitions then choose manual partitioning (something else) and set it up how you wish
[22:58] <eph3meral> itaylor57, XFCE is like what GNOME2 should have been :)
[22:59] <eph3meral> so, I have been having some weird theme issues with XFCE
[22:59] <eertre> where or when can i do that
[22:59] <ActionParsnip> eertre: its part of the installation, read the screen
[22:59] <eph3meral> some programs have the "regular" "nice" GTK theme that I would expect, and some have this really old GTK1.x looking square theme
[22:59] <gr33n7007h> beaglebr1ath, clear > /dev/pts/*
[22:59] <eph3meral> looks almost like tcl/tk but not quite as ugly
[22:59] <eertre> no, u dont want to listen to me, serious ... can i private you?
[23:00] <eph3meral> specifically rhythmbox was looking weird
[23:00] <ActionParsnip> excalibour: sudo nano /usr/share/vlc/lua/http/.hosts
[23:00] <eertre> when u choose ERASE WINDOWS, i have no option to format or partitioning harddisk
[23:00] <eph3meral> I installed Clearwaite (i think is the name) which has a GTK3 component, but now synaptic looks ugly! lol XD
[23:00] <eph3meral> anyone know what's up with this theme wonkiness?
[23:00] <ActionParsnip> eertre: YES It will set a default set of partitions of it's own choosing. Like I already said
[23:00] <excalibour> ActionParsnip>> i vim ed to /etc/vlc/http/.hosts
[23:01] <excalibour> tryuing your alternative now ActionParsnip
[23:01] <blz> eph3meral, you should probably check with whoever made the theme.  Also, you still haven't really told us what's wrong.
[23:01] <eph3meral> and or, how would I check, using the command line, what GTK theme(s) are currently active for each version
[23:01] <ActionParsnip> eertre: so I have no idea were you are getting that I am not reading your replies
[23:01] <xtremox> hi there
[23:01] <eertre> so when i choose ERASE WINDOWS, it will FORMAT and RE-PARTITION my harddisk on his own choose?
[23:01] <eph3meral> blz, uhh, sorry, I thought I did - some programs have the "regular" "nice" GTK theme that I would expect, and some have this really old GTK1.x looking square theme
[23:02] <stevenmeyer> I used to have a program sort of like lanmap however it worked off of showing you a real-time 2d display of selectable protocols. The program would map out a network and show usage. I think I had it in some distro a few years back but cant remember for the life of me what it was called. Any help would be appreciated.
[23:02] <ActionParsnip> eertre: yes, it will determine the partitioning for you and format them appropriately
[23:02] <eph3meral> the implication being that what is "wrong" is that I don't want any apps to have the old GTK1.x looking square theme when I know they should look like the nice/latest theme
[23:02] <ActionParsnip> eertre: like I ALREADY said
[23:02] <beaglebr1ath> gr33n7007h: thanks, but clear doesn't accept any other arguments.  I've got the redirect output from one pts to another figured out.  but now I'd like to have a command execute from a different /dev/pts. :)
[23:02] <blz> eph3meral, A screenshot would help.
[23:02] <ActionParsnip> eertre: ALL partitions will be removed.
[23:02] <eertre> ActionParsnip, i understand, and it will partition based on what?  on a 750 gb how it will look like ?!
[23:02] <ActionParsnip> eertre: so WAS I reading what youo wrote?
[23:03] <gr33n7007h> stevenmeyer, is it etherape
[23:03] <eertre> you probably read, but u didnt wanted to talk in many words so u can give ma complete response :pp
[23:03] <ActionParsnip> eertre: so where does "(23:59:40) eertre: no, u dont want to listen to me, serious ... can i private you?"  come from?
[23:03] <blz> eph3meral, and you generally want to check with the theme developer to know what the dependencies are.  Sounds like you're probably missing a library of some sort.
[23:03] <ActionParsnip> eertre: when it's clearly not the case
[23:03] <stevenmeyer> Thank you so much!!!!
[23:04] <ActionParsnip> eertre: if you give me any sort of attitude when you are clearly WRONG, I will not hesitate in making you look like a complete ASS.
[23:04] <eertre> ActionParsnip: u rule, u listen, u the best helper, u are a god of helpers ... but tell me please, if i decide to do my own partitions, where and when and how can i do it?
[23:04] <eertre> lol ...
[23:04] <ActionParsnip> eertre: the partitions will be 1x RAM for swap and the rest in Ext4 for /
[23:04]  * blz gets lawn chair and popcorn
[23:05] <Guest4600> I would love some popcorn.
[23:05] <Ali1_apac> about how long does it take toi install 11.10?
[23:05] <eertre> ActionParsnip, and the
[23:05] <eertre> so the swap will be 4 GB, and the rest will be formated in ext4 ?!
[23:06] <Fyodorovna> Ali1_apac, about 20 min here depends on your download speed and if you run with updates included.
[23:06] <ActionParsnip> eertre: if you want something more extravagant (like a seperate /home partition) you will need to select to do something else, write a new partition table then setup the partitions as you need
[23:06] <eertre> Ali1_apac, a few minutes
[23:06] <ActionParsnip> eertre: yes, if you have 4Gb ram you will get 4Gb swap (for hibernate etc) and the rest for / formatted Ext4
[23:06] <gr33n7007h> beaglebr1ath, I don't understand what you mean
[23:06] <Barnabas> eertre, basic partitioning considerations
[23:06] <eertre> so this way i will only have 2 partitions ?!
[23:07] <bitpimp> neither version of eclipse I have is able to download packages in ubuntu 11.10 although they could in the past... they are essentially not able to reach the internet... I've tried the obvious settings in Eclipse so now I turn to ubuntu... any suggestions?
[23:07] <bitpimp> :vsp
[23:07] <spacebug-> where is the config for my icons on the launcher?
[23:07] <blz> eertre, by default, Ubuntu will create two partitions:  /  and swap
[23:07] <Barnabas> bitpimp, are you able to reach the internet from a regular console?
[23:08] <blz> if you change nothing, that's what you'll get
[23:08] <ActionParsnip> eertre: if you select to use the whole drive, yes
[23:08]  * gr33n7007h is eating Tandoori Chicken
[23:08] <eertre> ActionParsnip. now i can prove the fact that u dont read what people say to you, and you look like an ASS: <eertre> ActionParsnip: u rule, u listen, u the best helper, u are a god of helpers ... but tell me please, if i decide to do my own partitions, where and when and how can i do it?
[23:08] <eertre> i asked u a lot of times to tell me where i can do that
[23:08] <SDr> "cat /proc/mdstat"  says 116414912 blocks [2/1] [U_]   ;anyone knows what the [U_] stands for?
[23:08] <physically_fit> whattup, how do force Precise Pangolin (12.04) to be installed via command line?
[23:08] <ActionParsnip> eertre: its part of the installation, just read the screen and you'll be fine
[23:08] <bekks> SDr: Your RAID is broken, you only have one disk active.
[23:08] <ActionParsnip> physically_fit: ask in #ubuntu+1 for Precise support please
[23:08] <`prixon> I'm using 11.10 and I had 11.04 on another partition (on the same HD as the 11.10). I deleted this filesystem partition and formatted it to ntfs because I coudln't access/write to that partition, but unfortunately that didn't help. now I still have a partition that I can't write to. I tried using some advices from forums and sites, but to no avail. what can I do? I tried something like "sudo chown -R username:username /yourPartition" and
[23:08] <`prixon>  "sudo chmod -R 755 /yourPartition" but nothing changes. I still have no permission to write to this empty partition. the diskutility app says that the usage of this partition is Filesystem. could this be the problem? how can I change the permissions? loading nautilus with sudo also didn't help
[23:09] <physically_fit> ActionParsnip, thankie
[23:09] <eertre> is there any video tutorial for this !?
[23:09] <scientes> SDr, that is the size of your memory device, aka flash
[23:09] <bekks> SDr: thats nonsense.
[23:09] <ActionParsnip> eertre: the GUI is massively simple. If you just have a go you'll be fine. You have nothing to lose as none of the data is needed
[23:10] <scientes> SDr, wait guess not, my arm doesn't have that, its /proc/mtd on there
[23:10] <bitpimp> Barnabas: yes
[23:10] <schnuffle> `prixon: how did you mount your partition?
[23:10] <eertre> i can lose a well organized hard drive, a well and smooth working of ubuntu for lack of space to work how it wants to do and so on ...
[23:10] <bitpimp> Barnabas: web/ping/irc all intact
[23:10] <`prixon> through nautilus i think
[23:10] <blz> eertre, what exactly are you trying to do?
[23:10] <schnuffle> eertre: use LVM
[23:10] <SDr> http://pastebin.com/xpevNJim   -full dump.
[23:10] <bitpimp> Barnabas: they were able to download packages at a previous point in this install
[23:10] <scientes> SDr, https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/articles/m/d/s/Mdstat.html
[23:10] <SDr> questions: what is gonig on in here? is my raid inactive? and probably corrupt?
[23:11] <schnuffle> `prixon: open a terminal and paste the outpout of: mount
[23:11] <Oledole> Damn, irc is still alive, back to 1998 :-)
[23:11] <scientes> Oledole, still works too :P
[23:11] <beaglebr1ath> I have tmux running with the screen split three ways.  each of the screens are attached to /dev/pts/1 /dev/pts/2 /dev/pts/3.  I'd like to use /dev/pts/3 as a place to issue commands to a variety of electronics attached to the serial ports and have their responces appear on a /dev/pts/2.  I'd also like to issue a command from /dev/pts/3 and have it execute on /dev/pts/2.
[23:11] <bekks> SDr: Your raid devices are broken. You have a RAID1 spanning two disks, and in both RAID1 groups you have lost one device.
[23:12] <`prixon> schnuffle, here or in private? cause it's a bit long
[23:12] <eertre> blz, i have a hard of 750 GB with win 7 on it ... i want to format it all ( ALL ALL - i dont need anything, including windows) and i want to install a fresh copy of ubuntu .. my hard has 3 partitions ... C with 350 D with 200 and E with 150 .. woulnd be good to keep this way of partitioning also in ubuntu ? if yes, how do i do it ?! this was my question
[23:12] <ActionParsnip> eertre: the drive will never be lost, unless it mechanically fails
[23:12] <excalibour> ActionParsnip>> i edited the .hosts file with vim and added 2 lan ips. how do istart service as u mentioned before?
[23:12] <schnuffle> !paste | `prixon
[23:12] <Oledole> Cool
[23:12] <ActionParsnip> excalibour: why not just use the netmask, you can do it by IP but using the mask is a bit easier
[23:12] <blz> eertre, have you used linux or ubuntu before?
[23:12] <`prixon> got you
[23:13] <blz> just wondering, before I dive it =)
[23:13] <eertre> yes, but only on LIVEUSB
[23:13] <blz> *in
[23:13] <blz> ah okay
[23:13] <`prixon> http://paste.ubuntu.com/919694/
[23:13] <ActionParsnip> eertre: the OS will rarely use more than 6Gb HDD space....
[23:13] <excalibour> ActionParsnip>> only 2 pc s at the moment so easy to add 2 lines. what should i do now
[23:13] <eertre> ActionParsnip, i understand ...
[23:13] <blz> eertre, Okay, so I'll start with the question "is this a good way of partitioning ubuntu".  The answer to that is "it doesn't sound bad, but it depends on what you want to do"
[23:13] <`prixon> SaveDisk is the one i'm talking about
[23:14] <schnuffle> `prixon: your disk is mounted readonly
[23:14] <ActionParsnip> excalibour: close vlc, start it up again and you should be ok
[23:14] <SDr> bekks, "SDr: Your raid devices are broken. You have a RAID1 spanning two disks, and in both RAID1 groups you have lost one device."   -there should be only 1 RAID1 group
[23:14] <blz> as for the rest, the best recommendation I can give you is to start the installer (preferably from a live cd/usb, because the graphical installer is easier to understand) and just play with it.  It's very safe and it'll be fairly obvious
[23:14] <bekks> SDr: There are two. md0 and md1.
[23:14] <SDr> what do you mean by "both RAID1" groups?
[23:14] <`prixon> indeed, that's what I'm trying to change
[23:14] <eertre> i just want 3 almoust same space partitions where on one i can keep my system, in one i can keep my media and in one i can keep my work ... at least this is how it was on windows
[23:14] <`prixon> but to no avail yet
[23:15] <schnuffle> `prixon: to mount it rw unmount it and remount it with folloing command: sudo -t ntfs-3g mount /dev/sdb1 /media/SaveDisk
[23:15] <excalibour> ActionParsnip>> how will i do that from cli? i am on windows , box is another pc
[23:15] <bekks> SDr: both, md0 and md1 are degraded, but still working, with one of two underlying physical disk devices.
[23:15] <blz> eertre, fair enough.  In that case, you'll want to name your system partition "/" (without the quotes)
[23:15] <ActionParsnip> excalibour: kill the process and start it how you normally do
[23:15] <blz> and you will need to create a swap partition too
[23:15] <blz> actually
[23:15] <schnuffle> sudo  mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /media/SaveDisk
[23:16] <ActionParsnip> eertre: if you delete one of the partitions, you can install ubuntu there and dual boot :)
[23:16] <blz> eertre, i'll pm you so we don't flood the living hell out of this channel
[23:16] <eertre> blz, please d
[23:16] <eertre> people, from where does the CANONICAL LTD. name comes from !?
[23:16] <`prixon> I'm unable to unmount it now... I get: Daemon is inhibited
[23:16] <`prixon> that's weird
[23:16] <`prixon> ohy
[23:16] <`prixon> just a sec
[23:17] <schnuffle> prixon: any program like nautilus showing the disk?  quit them
[23:17] <ActionParsnip> eertre: http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/C/canonical.html
[23:17] <`prixon> so "sudo -t ntfs-3g mount /dev/sdb1 /media/SaveDisk" or "sudo  mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /media/SaveDisk"?
[23:17] <excalibour> ActionParsnip>>i think i dont a running vlc service. can u have a look at : http://pastebin.com/vdEnb2fv
[23:18] <schnuffle> prixon: the second
[23:18] <`prixon> I get: fuse: failed to access mountpoint /media/SaveDisk: No such file or directory
[23:18] <ActionParsnip> excalibour: if the system has no X server, how is it going to display?
[23:19] <schnuffle> prixon: or to mirror the option you had before:  sudo  mount -t ntfs-3g -o nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,gid=1000,dmask=0077,fmask=0177 /dev/sdb1 /media/SaveDisk
[23:19] <schnuffle> prixon: create a directory
[23:19] <excalibour> i was thinking server would serve the client web based gui
[23:19] <schnuffle> prixon: I'm off for some mintes
[23:20] <`prixon> ok schnuffle.. I still get a "fuse: failed to access mountpoint /media/SaveDisk: No such file or directory" for the last command you wrote me
[23:20] <eertre> fromm that definition of the term they named their company, ActionParsnip?
[23:20] <excalibour> ActionParsnip>> like subsonic does
[23:21] <cousteau> is `sudo -H some_gui_program` safe?  I know sudo shouldn't be used with graphical programs, however the -H option sets HOME=/root.  Would it then be safe to run stuff with `sudo -H` or could it still cause problems?
[23:21] <cousteau> (other than the obvious problems caused by using sudo in a destructive way)
[23:22] <schnuffle> prixon: sudo mkdir /media/SaveDisk
[23:23] <ActionParsnip> eertre: its what the word means, otherwise not sure
[23:23] <`prixon> wow!
[23:24] <schnuffle> `prixon: ?
[23:24] <`prixon> how did that work!?
[23:24] <schnuffle> `prixon: what?
[23:24] <`prixon> now when I mount the partition I can create files and folders!
[23:24] <`prixon> what made it work? the create dir?
[23:24] <`prixon> or the other commands that gave a msg of not working?
[23:25] <pimpekpala> hi
[23:25] <schnuffle> `prixon: all together, but i need to leave so somebody else  needs to explain it
[23:25] <pimpekpala> hi ppl
[23:25] <`prixon> ok
[23:25] <`prixon> thanks a lot schnuffle!!
[23:26] <pimpekpala> where you come from ppl
[23:26] <`prixon> can anyone explain schnuffle magic?
[23:26] <scientes> !ot | pimpekpala
[23:27] <hittt> Package grub is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source
[23:27] <hittt> ???
[23:28] <SDr> bekks, okay.
[23:28] <SDr> bekks, now I'm getting "Bus error" on almost all read operations
[23:28] <SDr> bekks, I'd really need to shovel off the files from this system -any recommendations?
[23:30] <wolfslord> I'm using Google Chrome and Flash just stoped working after upadating some packages
[23:30] <excalibour> ActionParsnip>> so isnt it possible to use vlc without installing X11? subsonic i tried didnt have that prerequisit
[23:31] <wolfslord> I'm currently using 12.04 beta2
[23:31] <wolfslord> Does anybody have a glue of what shoul I do?
[23:32] <ActionParsnip> excalibour: well, what is the VLC doing via remote control?
[23:32] <hittt> wolfslord: why don't you run Chrome from a terminal and see what warning/error it pops?
[23:32] <ActionParsnip> wolfslord: ask in #ubuntu+1 for Precise support
[23:33] <wolfslord> not a single error when running from terminal
[23:33] <wolfslord> let me try #ubuntu+1
[23:33] <wolfslord> thanks
[23:34] <excalibour> ActionParsnip>> was seeking an alternative to subsonic(home media server with web based gui for clients)
[23:35] <hittt> Package grub is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source <- any suggestions?
[23:36] <hittt> Did ubuntu developers mark grub as obsolete?
[23:36] <Fyodorovna> !grub | hittt
[23:37] <Fyodorovna> hittt, hope that helps grub 2 is the default in many OS's as of now.
[23:37] <hittt> yeah but i need grub (Named grub-legacy in the doc)
[23:38] <hittt> grub2 never worked for me
[23:38] <saad_> Hello.
[23:39] <ActionParsnip> hi saad_
[23:39] <saad_> I've been having troubles playing the restriced formats
[23:39] <saad_> wmv,wma..
[23:39] <saad_> Hello ActionParsnip :)
[23:39] <ActionParsnip> saad_: do you have ubuntu-restricted-extras installed?
[23:39] <saad_> yesx
[23:40] <ActionParsnip> saad_: and vlc and gnome-mplayer
[23:40] <excalibour> ActionParsnip>> ty very very much for yr extreme effort to help me, i really appreciate that
[23:40] <saad_> vlc and totem yes
[23:40] <ActionParsnip> excalibour: np man, all ok?
[23:40] <bitpimp> How do I install both the jdk 1.6 and 1.7 in ubuntu?
[23:40] <bitpimp> (I can then point my IDE to either)
[23:41] <excalibour> still struggling but sidetracked, ty anyway
[23:41] <saad_> ActionParsnip: any suggestions?
[23:41] <saad_> I am workin on 10.04 LTS btw
[23:41] <Popopo> ok
[23:41] <Popopo> I left
[23:41] <Popopo> have nice time everyone!
[23:41] <excalibour> saad trying to run mp3 from the box?
[23:41] <kasii> .no popescv
[23:42] <ActionParsnip> saad_: what is the output of:  uname -m
[23:42] <saad_> i686
[23:43] <ActionParsnip> saad_: did you install w32codecs from the medibuntu repo?
[23:43] <saad_> w32codecs
[23:43] <saad_> hmm I dont think so
[23:43] <saad_> Gimmie a while sorry
[23:44] <saad_> Lol you must be suffering with all these activity(leave-join) happening
[23:44] <ActionParsnip> saad_: my client blocks them
[23:44] <ActionParsnip> saad_: yors probably can be told to too
[23:45] <hittt> Fyodorovna: WHOOPS my fault i had chroot'ed
[23:45] <saad_> yes it can
[23:47] <Fyodorovna> hittt, personally never liked grub legacy, grub 2 works like a charm here, can't help with grub legacy really.
[23:47] <`prixon> ok
[23:47] <`prixon> good night
[23:49] <hittt> Fyodorovna: i un-chroot'ed and used --root-directory instead, i should reboot and check -- grub2 never really worked here, it failed to detect any devices and bricks my installation every 6 months...
[23:50] <Fyodorovna> hittt, I suspect you don't understand grub 2 to be honest, you description makes no sense.
[23:51] <Fyodorovna> your*
[23:51] <Luigi2012SM64DS> I apologize for coming 3 times but i sitll need help with my sound
[23:52] <hittt> Fyodorovna: it could be just me, but not even the automatic installers understand grub2 either ;) Plus menu.lst is probably a humans best friend
[23:52] <Fyodorovna> hittt, you might want to get familiar with the bootscript for ease of travel.
[23:52] <Muelli> !sound | hittt
[23:52] <hittt> >:O
[23:52] <Fyodorovna> !bootinfo | hittt
[23:55] <Luigi2012SM64DS> ubottu, tried that didn't work.
[23:55] <hittt> Fyodorovna: i don't really care for the 1ms that grub2 saves. I prefer being able to edit the configurations myself rather than let scripts do it. I am more into efficiency than speed. After all, grub-legacy never had any issue with my setup.
[23:55] <Luigi2012SM64DS> *blush* well can someone else help me?
[23:56] <Fyodorovna> hittt, excellent welcome to my ignore list.
[23:56] <hittt> Ahem,,, anyway restarting
[23:59] <jeferson> Hi !


[03:37] <zillah> hi all
[03:38] <az7> what is up
[03:38] <zillah> trying to stay awake lol
[03:39] <zillah> brb
[03:42] <zillah> what are you up to tonight az7?
[03:45] <az7> nm, you guys?
[03:47] <zillah> nm really im not sure where doubleb is
[03:50] <az7> maybe something came up
[03:54] <zillah> are you the one i was talking to about ubuntu netbook edition?
[03:55] <zillah> hey man
[03:55] <az7> yo
[03:56] <DoubleB> hi
[03:56] <DoubleB> sorry I was watching Battle star galactica s1
[03:57] <DoubleB> and i forgot what day it was
[03:57] <zillah> i was watching bones with jennifer
[03:58] <zillah> so ive just been idling basically
[03:59] <DoubleB> I love bones but this season is not as much about the cases and the science. which I hate
[03:59] <zillah> we are still on season 1
[04:00] <DoubleB> ah the good season
[04:00] <zillah> just watched the voodoo episode
[04:01] <DoubleB> well it feels like they are dumbing it down like scifi going to syfy
[04:02] <zillah> yeah
[04:03] <zillah> i tried watching code monkeys last night and fell asleep
[04:04] <DoubleB> the woz ep was ok but it is a little too stupid
[04:04] <zillah> yeah it seems ok but not as cool as what i hoped for
[04:05] <zillah> wow its cold out here
[04:07] <DoubleB> iPhone!
[04:08] <zillah> lol saying
[04:08] <zillah> something like that an irc 10 years ago would have raised some questions i bet
[04:10] <DoubleB> yeah like why are you outside with your laptop or turn on the heat dumbass!
[04:11] <zillah> lol
[04:15] <az7> or at least get a cup of tea?
[04:16] <zillah> that sounds pretty good right now
[04:16] <DoubleB> wow I have been craving green tea all night
[04:17] <zillah> lol i have a couple boxes i think
[04:17] <az7> night time tea here.. or whatever its called
[04:20] <zillah> i drink celestial seasonings sleepytime tea :)
[04:20] <az7> that one, yup
[04:24] <zillah> have you guys read this? http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/11/fed-up-with-icann-pirate-bay-cofounder-floats-p2p-dns-system.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss
[04:24] <az7> well not that specifically, but i heard about the subject yes
[04:26] <zillah> p2p dns sounds good but completly insecure
[04:28] <az7> surely they'd take security into account..
[04:29] <zillah> yeah but implementation would be the problem
[04:33] <DoubleB> I have been reading the comcrap and level3 debate all day
[04:33] <az7> probably so, it will be interesting to see how it turns out
[04:36] <zillah> last i read comcast said level3 is lying?
[04:37] <DoubleB> I wonder what will happen when people quit registering names with ICANN and just get non us domains
[04:37] <DoubleB> I don't know who is lying but it may be another shot heard around the world for the end of the open internet
[04:38] <DoubleB> I am so tired of us corps make money and fuck the consumer business model.
[04:38] <DoubleB> oh you wan't to watch netflix and not our crap? too bad.
[04:39] <zillah> yeah wait until the telcos jump on that bandwagon
[04:40] <DoubleB> well verizion and att would love to.
[04:40] <DoubleB> att may have already
[04:41] <zillah> i wonder if jonesboro gets 3g tonight?
[04:41] <DoubleB> why can't I choose? why am I forced to buy this or that? sounds like a dictatorship
[04:42] <DoubleB> man I am turning into RMS
[04:42] <zillah> lol
[04:43] <zillah> i say we all go back to fidonet
[04:43] <DoubleB> I have 3g in here so what is the big deal? :P
[04:43] <DoubleB> I have 3g at ravenden springs of all places
[04:44] <zillah> lol
[04:46] <DoubleB> I am so afraid of losing the internet to big corp America.
[04:47] <DoubleB> I don't think it will be the gov that takes it away but big business will because it gives us a choice.
[04:47] <DoubleB> gives us a voice
[04:48] <zillah> yeah
[04:50] <zillah> and everytime somebody migrates to the cloud we get one step closer
[04:53] <DoubleB> yeah, I am ok with web mail but I don't know for my docs. Maybe to colaborate with others but not my whole world
[04:55] <zillah> i still think the "internet enabled device" is slowing going to replace the personal computer
[04:56] <DoubleB> yikes
[04:58] <zillah> the numbers so far are showing that
[04:58] <DoubleB> what you mean like for tablets?
[04:59] <zillah> look how many 2nd gen apple tvs have sold
[04:59] <DoubleB> so I guess computer corner will be home network admin?
[04:59] <zillah> lol maybe
[05:00] <zillah> i mean more like appletv and ip tvs things that dont have storage
[05:00] <DoubleB> yeah but apple tv does not edit movies,pictures etc. or types your termpaper
[05:00] <zillah> no but ipad does.
[05:01] <zillah> ipad + google docs = term paper in the cloud
[05:03] <DoubleB> yes
[05:03] <DoubleB> and oh noez!
[05:04] <zillah> lmao
[05:04] <zillah> and teachers already want papers submitted electronically so they can run them through plagorism checkers
[05:05] <zillah> however you spell it
[05:08] <zillah> have you read hacker crackdown?
[05:11] <DoubleB> no
[05:11] <DoubleB> where?
[05:12] <zillah> its a book...gutenberg has it
[05:23] <DoubleB> i think i will read the epub version on my phone maybe
[05:24] <zillah> i think youll like it
[05:26] <az7> have a nice night everybody
[05:26] <zillah> same to you
[05:27] <zillah> im out too i'm way sleepy
[05:28] <DoubleB> night
[22:13] <Ahmuck> hi hi
[23:03] <az7> hi


[22:16] <asac> chrisccoulson: there?
[22:16] <chrisccoulson> asac - yeah
[22:16] <asac> chrisccoulson: you rock ... so we have a problem ;)
[22:16] <asac> chrisccoulson: we dont have a native speaker and need a proof read of an announcement
[22:16] <asac> chrisccoulson: can you take a look?
[22:16] <chrisccoulson> asac - how urgent is it?
[22:16] <asac> chrisccoulson: super urgent
[22:17] <chrisccoulson> asac - ok, i can have a quick look then
[22:17] <asac> chrisccoulson: needs to go out before 0000 UTC ... https://wiki.linaro.org/Cycles/1105/Final
[22:17] <asac> chrisccoulson: but at best before 0000 my time ;)
[22:17] <asac> which is in 40 minutes
[22:17] <asac> chrisccoulson: dont read everyghing
[22:17] <asac> chrisccoulson: just the announcement box at the bottom
[22:17] <asac> chrisccoulson: https://wiki.linaro.org/Cycles/1105/Final#Announcement
[22:27] <asac> chrisccoulson: any comments?
[22:27] <asac> ;)
[22:28] <chrisccoulson> asac - i would probably change the first paragraph under "Using the Ubuntu-based images" to http://paste.ubuntu.com/614322/
[22:28] <chrisccoulson> oh, paste.ubuntu.com sucks for not adding linebreaks ;)
[22:30] <chrisccoulson> asac - also, under "Known issues", i think the first paragraph should probably be split in to 2 sentences
[22:30] <chrisccoulson> ie, "Bug reports for this release should be filed in Launchpad against the individual packages that are affected. If a suitable package cannot be identified, feel free to assign them to:"
[22:30] <asac> ack
[22:31] <asac> chrisccoulson: you rock!
[22:31] <asac> for working on saturday night ;)
[22:32] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[22:32] <asac> chrisccoulson: kind of saved me ... again! ;)
[22:32] <asac> last time was taking over mozilla ;)
[22:32] <asac> lol
[22:33] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[22:34] <chrisccoulson> asac - also, i'm not sure about this point either: "Linaro GCC 4.5, GCC 4.6 and GDB 7.2 2011.05, the most recent released Component done by the toolchain working group"
[22:34] <chrisccoulson> should that be "recently released components created by the toolchain working group"?
[22:35] <asac> not sure ;)
[22:36] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i think that makes more sense :)
[22:41] <asac> yep
[22:41] <asac> we took it
[22:41] <asac> all updated
[22:41] <asac> now we spoof timezone to get the release out today ;)
[22:41] <asac> RM is in UTC+3
[22:42] <chrisccoulson> cool :)