[07:13] <Mestapheles> Madpilot:go to console
[07:13] <dr_willis> Hmm... odd.. all my menu items in the gnome applications menu are doubled
[07:13] <tiglionabbit> dr_willis: using xfce?
[07:14] <tiglionabbit> oh wait, that would imply no
[07:14] <spermie_411> anyone in here use cedega?
[07:14] <dr_willis> tiglionabbit,  :P
[07:14] <dr_willis> hmm - where does gnome get all the menu items from anyway? ive never looked into that.
[07:14] <dr_willis> debian has some sort of directory stucture for the default menus dont it?
[07:14] <Mestapheles> XFS has just umounted two of my partitions and I get I/O errors when passing commands.  Any thoughts?
[07:14] <Madpilot> Mestapheles: nah, nothing else happened aside from Screem falling over...
[07:14] <tiglionabbit> dr_willis: well, I had the same problem in xfce.  It's because xfce read both /usr/share/applications and that/kde, while gnome or kde only read their own
[07:15] <tiglionabbit> dr_willis: I don't know how gnome could have started doing that, unless it got the kde directory included somehow
[07:15] <Madpilot> Mestapheles: unless there's a way of checking logs somewhere to see why Screem froze?
[07:15] <dr_willis> tiglionabbit,  ah.. testing out matchbox window manager also.. Hmm running vnc also. lets see
[07:15] <tiglionabbit> Madpilot: did it screem as it died?
[07:15] <dr_willis> ah - si thats what /usr/share is for.. I saw that dir earlier...
[07:15] <Mestapheles> yes there should be a xorg_error log or something like that in /var
[07:15] <Nameeater> I've mounted my NTFS partition, but I can't access it, what should I do to get access?
[07:16] <tiglionabbit> dr_willis: /usr/share is for any settings that apply to all user accounts, like themes, applications lists, and a crapload of other stuff
[07:16] <dr_willis> tiglionabbit,  yea - looking at it now.
[07:16] <Madpilot> tiglionabbit: :) nope - but that might have been an esd-related error, like every other sound bug I've heard about...
[07:16] <Mestapheles> anyone ever get a cannot execute "sbin/getty" ?
[07:17] <tiglionabbit> Mestapheles: that's bad, does that mean you can't login?
[07:17] <tiglionabbit> Mestapheles: you might want to check that it exists, and is r-x
[07:18] <Mestapheles> can't do anything.  XFS went rannk on me.  I guess sshing in from another computer wouldn't work either.
[07:18] <Mestapheles> well, I'm sure it exists.  I thinnk it is because XFS umounted two partitions for me for some problem it had.
[07:19] <Mestapheles> tiglionabbit:  am I correct to assume I can only hard reboot?
[07:19] <tiglionabbit> Mestapheles: uh, what, why?  oh, is it because reboot can't login or something?
[07:20] <Mestapheles> yeah, sudo reboot, sudo shutdown -h now all give me a "I/O error"
[07:20] <HrdwrBoB> sounds like something is very. very. broken
[07:20] <Mestapheles> all consoles give me the "unable to execute '/sbin/getty'"
[07:21] <tiglionabbit> Mestapheles: you should be able to tap the power button gently to get a safe shutdown
[07:21] <Mestapheles> yeah reiser gave me simmilar errors after the first reboot
[07:21] <tiglionabbit> but I wouldn't shut down in that situation, unless planning to put in a boot cd
[07:21] <Mestapheles> will do.  Well back to ext2 and ext3
[07:22] <Mestapheles> well here comes a reintall.  XFS and reiser suck on ppc.
[07:23] <Madpilot> damn, Screem just fell over again... it's too bad, I like it better that Bluefish... but Bluefish doesn't crash...
[07:25] <dijungal> hi folks
[07:25] <dijungal> have any of u use Mepis... how does it compare to Ubuntu...?
[07:25] <Codestorm> ubuntu is better
[07:26] <dijungal> in what way..?
[07:26] <tiglionabbit> lol, what sort of answer do you expect from us?
[07:26] <dijungal> i know.. hehehe
[07:26] <Codestorm> well, i've tried almost every distro i could find at some stage
[07:26] <dijungal> but i was looking for something mroe objective... like tell me why it is beter yuh know
[07:26] <Codestorm> and ubuntu is best
[07:26] <Codestorm> because it works
[07:26] <Madpilot> dijungal: you're on #ubuntu, of course Ubuntu is better... :)
[07:26] <dijungal> lol
[07:26] <dijungal> ayte folks.. i get the point
[07:26] <dijungal> i'll have to try it myself.. :)
[07:26] <Codestorm> hehe
[07:27] <dijungal> n-e-ways.. i been up like 48hrs here... i need to sleep... i'll try Ubuntu later today
[07:27] <Madpilot> dijungal: the LiveCDs make trying it fairly painless, anyway
[07:27] <gyaresu> dijungal, cause ubuntu fixes most of the annoying things about debian.
[07:27] <dijungal> i tried Mepis and it works out great for me... but i'm open minded
[07:27] <Mestapheles> mepis is only pc
[07:27] <gyaresu> dijungal, the 'just works' factor.
[07:27] <Mestapheles> ubuntu supports ppc
[07:27] <WildBill> any mplayer gurus here?  I am having trouble playing an AVI... encoded with xvid for video, and a52 for audio
[07:27] <dijungal> what is ppc..?
[07:28] <WildBill> every other video works great...
[07:28] <Mestapheles> yes, ubuntu is really good at auto-configuring
[07:28] <Mestapheles> powerpc
[07:28] <dijungal> ok
[07:28] <dijungal> mac
[07:28] <Mestapheles> an IBM chip.
[07:28] <dijungal> well folks it's been great... but i gots to run... :)
[07:28] <dijungal> thanx
[07:28] <Mestapheles> their top end servers are ppc,  infact many are
[07:28] <dijungal> k
[07:29] <Mestapheles> your game consoles are ppc too.  I think all of them are now.  xbox360, Cell, etc
[07:29] <gyaresu> WildBill, do you have the package w32codec installed?
[07:29] <WildBill> gyaresu, yep.  Like I said, I can play other vids just fine.
[07:30] <WildBill> This one blows up with a signal 11 in decode_audio when I go to play it
[07:30] <WildBill> but VLC and Totem-Xine play it fine
[07:30] <Centaur5> My wireless connection keeps timing out so I have to reboot to get it to work again, is there another way to do it?
[07:30] <Mestapheles> I'm still waiting for linux on the xbox360 with that G3.2 Ghz processor
[07:30] <c0_15_ri_cool_ab> hi
[07:30] <gyaresu> WildBill, ah. a little specific for a quck help :)
[07:31] <WildBill> heh
[07:31] <WildBill> yeha
[07:31] <gyaresu> WildBill, *quick
[07:31] <WildBill> just didn't know if anyone here knows much about it
[07:31] <Mestapheles> sorry I meant G5 #5 3.2Ghz xbox360
[07:31] <Mestapheles> G5 3.2Ghz xbox360
[07:31] <firebird619> Could anyone please help me with my modem problem. I have the drivers installed which I got from the manufacturer and wvdial keeps saying Modem Not Responding. Can anyone help me?
[07:31] <daybreaker> hey everyone. I just installed Ubuntu, and as my first trip into Linux Land, I think I'm doing ok.  One final problem:  I cant access shared folders on my Linux machine from a windows machine.  I can see it on the windows machine on the network explorer, but it asks for a login to get in to the linux box.  Any ideas? Thanks
[07:31] <gyaresu> WildBill, On the up side, at least something plays it.
[07:32] <jasmuz> firebird619: what modem is that?
[07:32] <firebird619> Intel 537EP
[07:32] <gyaresu> firebird619, love to help but gotta go soon. sorry.
[07:32] <WildBill> yeah, but I need all the speed I can get - I'm on an 867Mhz Crusoe
[07:32] <jasmuz> firebird619: what com port is it at?
[07:32] <WildBill> totem and vlc are just a touch choppy, while mplayer usually hums right along
[07:32] <firebird619> jasmuz: how do I tell?
[07:33] <jasmuz> daybreaker: did you try your login & pass?
[07:33] <tiglionabbit> I don't find totem to be choppy, but I do find gmplayer to crash
[07:33] <gyaresu> daybreaker, you are supposed to go to wiki.ubuntu.com but you can also try ubuntuguide.org
[07:33] <jasmuz> firebird619: did you use to have that modem under Win?...if so, do you remember where it was Com1, 2 or 3?
[07:34] <firebird619> gyaresu: thanks, you were helping me last night but I couldn't do what you suggested because I have no Internet access on Ubuntu.  I put in a different modem today hoping to solve the problem.
[07:34] <tiglionabbit> vlc is indeed a little bit choppy, but it doesn't use many system resources...
[07:34] <gyaresu> firebird619, externals are the troublefree way... if you have one.
[07:34] <firebird619> jasmuz: Yes, had it in windows but I have Ubuntu on a different PC.
[07:34] <gyaresu> firebird619, they are 'real' modems.
[07:35] <firebird619> gyaresu: yes, I know, I will have to eventually invest in one.
[07:35] <xkuseme> does anybody know what the package ubuntu-calendar does?
[07:35] <daybreaker> yeah, I tried all sorts of login/pass combos but none worked. Oh well. I'll check out the wiki
[07:35] <jasmuz> firebird619: did you try setting the device port ttyS0 to test firs?
[07:36] <jasmuz> xkuseme: its a calendar Ubuntu used to roll out with diferent images for your screen
[07:36] <gyaresu> daybreaker, preface your message with the name you are talking to. it help pop-up the window for that person.
[07:36] <xkuseme> jasmuz: used to? so i just got it. how do i start it?
[07:36] <gyaresu> daybreaker, (you can TAB complete the name also)
[07:36] <daybreaker> gyaresu: yeah, I just noticed that. Too used to MIRC, I guess. Thanks
[07:36] <jasmuz> xkuseme: just do a left click, and you should have some other wallpapers
[07:37] <abhayks> need some help on gdesklests
[07:37] <firebird619> jasmuz: you mean before I installed the drivers or after?  I left it at /dev/modem before driver install. After I installed the drivers, it said it would either be /dev/modem or /dev/537 and I tried both and it didn't work
[07:37] <jasmuz> abarbaccia: what is your issue?
[07:37] <trinidad> how do i find out the (hdX,Y) number for my partitions
[07:38] <abhayks> the frame along the launch icons is too big -- I have tried to configure it and make it small. No go
[07:38] <jasmuz> firebird619:  try wit /dev/ttyS0 up to ttyS2(wicha are the diferent comm ports)
[07:38] <gyaresu> daybreaker, past your smb.conf if you feel safe doing so... http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/
[07:38] <abhayks> is there some specific way to do it
[07:39] <frank> I'm trying to shrink a ntfs partition using gparted. It is not doing it yet I don't get an error message either. any ideas?
[07:39] <gyaresu> trinidad, fdisk -l /dev/hda (or /dev/sda for serial drive)
[07:39] <trinidad> HELP ! How do i find out the (hdX,Y) number for my partitions
[07:39] <gyaresu> trinidad, fdisk -l /dev/hda (or /dev/sda for serial drive)
[07:39] <firebird619> jasmuz: Do I try that with wvdial or what, When I tried with /dev/modem and /dev/537 I was using Networking under System ==> Administration. If I use wvdial, how do I specify the different ports?
[07:39] <tiglionabbit> trinidad: X is the number of the hard disk, and Y is the number of the partition, both 0 based and starting from the first in their order
[07:40] <tiglionabbit> trinidad: hda1 is hd0,0 for example
[07:40] <jasmuz> firebird619: you can configure the wvdial , with the wvdial.conf
[07:40] <abhayks> was my question regarding gdesklets tooo noob. If yes then please tell me where to get more info
[07:40] <trinidad> tiglionabbit, THANX MUCH!!
[07:41] <firebird619> jasmuz: Yes, I remember seeing that now. I will try those different ports and get back to you
[07:41] <trinidad> gyaresu, THANX MUCH!
[07:41] <gyaresu> trinidad, s'aight.
[07:41] <trinidad> ;)
[07:42] <jasmuz> abhayks: gdesklets has a page. ...i recomend you go read it
[07:42] <CaptainMorgan> anyone know how to get an Antheros card working in a thinkpad ?
[07:42] <abhayks> thanks jasmuz
[07:42] <CaptainMorgan> I recall a known issue with Atheros.. I forget where to look tho
[07:43] <XRayNuke> IIRC there was something about WPA not working in madwifi
[07:43] <xkuseme> hi does anybody know what the values of x and y in this comman do?
[07:43] <xkuseme> [#ubuntu]  hi does anybody know what the values of x and y in this comman do?
[07:43] <xkuseme>
[07:43] <xkuseme> [#ubuntu]  hi does anybody know what the values of x and y in this comman do?
[07:44] <CaptainMorgan> stop that
[07:44] <xkuseme> splashimage (hdx,y)/boot/grub/images/ubuntu_foo.xpm.gz
[07:44] <xkuseme> sorry
[07:45] <gyaresu> xkuseme, (hd0,1) would be the first partition on the primary hdd
[07:45] <firebird619> jasmuz: I tried that, ttyS0 returned Device or resource busy, ttyS1 & ttyS2 returned Input/Output error
[07:45] <xkuseme> gyaresu: hmm ok where do you think should i place this as the splash image for grub
[07:45] <gyaresu> xkuseme, then presuming the /boot/ is on that partition it will find the file ubuntu_foo.xpm.gz
[07:45] <jasmuz> firebird619: then i have no clue as where your modem is allocated...
[07:46] <jasmuz> firebird619: run HAL device manager and see where its at
[07:46] <SDFH_Linux> does ubuntu pick up winmodems automatically?
[07:46] <SDFH_Linux> on laptops?
[07:46] <gyaresu> xkuseme, i don't think you should unless you are having grub wait for your decision.
[07:46] <gyaresu> xkuseme, cause if you set grub to auto boot then it's only on the screen for a second.
[07:46] <CaptainMorgan> SDFH>> Intel's worked right out of the box for me
[07:46] <jasmuz> SDFH_Linux: winmodems....NO
[07:47] <tiglionabbit> xkuseme: you put splash images in /boot/grub/images
[07:47] <xkuseme> gyaresu: oh ok, so only good for dual boot or different kernels
[07:47] <SDFH_Linux> arent most laptop 56k modems winmodems
[07:47] <jasmuz> CaptainMorgan: it all depends on the modem
[07:47] <jasmuz> SDFH_Linux: no
[07:47] <firebird619> jasmuz: I do not see it in the Device Manager
[07:47] <CaptainMorgan> what are you referring to jas?
[07:47] <gyaresu> xkuseme,  you can get grub to wait and not auto boot and then it would be worth it.
[07:47] <CaptainMorgan> you lost me.
[07:47] <jasmuz> firebird619: you have serious issues with that modem
[07:47] <xkuseme> gyaresu: how do you do that?
[07:48] <firebird619> jasmuz: The other modem I had installed before this one I could see in the Device Manager but that returned errors which I pasted last night in the Pastebin
[07:48] <gyaresu> xkuseme, what? stop the auto boot? 'man grub'
[07:48] <jasmuz> CaptainMorgan: not all modems for laptops are recognized
[07:48] <CaptainMorgan> obviously
[07:48] <CaptainMorgan> :)
[07:48] <CaptainMorgan> i don't think I said that..
[07:48] <gyaresu> xkuseme, you'll see a default boot option in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:49] <jasmuz> firebird619: :(
[07:49] <firebird619> jasmuz: Would I have had more luck with the other modem if HAL was seeing it
[07:50] <cafuego> or try the 'Boot' applet in Breezy ;-)
[07:50] <jasmuz> firebird619: what was the previous modem?
[07:50] <xkuseme> gyaresu: oh can i just set the wait time there?
[07:50] <gyaresu> xkuseme, aye. i'm just looking up to see if you set 0 that it waits... can't remember off the top of my head.
[07:51] <xkuseme> gyaresu: right now it's set to timeout 3
[07:51] <firebird619> jasmuz: I would have to put it in the PC to get the exact name but it was something to the effect of Conexant HSF 56k
[07:51] <dougmc> hello all... anyone know how to turn on gnome icon themes in firefox with ubuntu, they are on in fc4, but not ubuntu hoary or breezy afaik (i'm not talking about the gnomefx themes, but real icon theme support)
[07:51] <cafuego> dougmc: Do you have firefox-gnome installed?
[07:51] <co_ren_16> i can't speak english
[07:51] <firebird619> jasmuz: It was Conexant HSF 56k HSFi Modem. I found it written down on a piece of paper
[07:51] <hondje> co_ren_16: what do you speak?
[07:52] <dougmc> cafuego: yes, i'm on hoary running breezy backports version of fireforx
[07:52] <jasmuz> Conexant! :P
[07:52] <cafuego> dougmc: Hmm. Breezy might be broken, as well.
[07:52] <cafuego> (IS even)
[07:52] <jasmuz> firebird619: dude get yourself a decent modem
[07:52] <kafeine> firebird619, conexants are shitty little things
[07:52] <nalioth> howdy
[07:52] <dougmc> cafuego: the icon theme support was in prereleases of hoary, but then disappeared, haven't seen it come back in breezy just curious if theres a build option or something
[07:52] <firebird619> jasmuz: I just found the Intel Modem in HAL, it says Unknown but I know it is the modem
[07:53] <daybreaker> gyaresu: I just checked the wiki, and it told me to go into the general tab of my network settings, except half of the things they tell me to do arent there.  ie: They say to check the box that says "Enable windows sharing" but that box does not exist.
[07:53] <cafuego> dougmc: possible, does the changelog in /usr/share/doc/firefox(-gnome) mention it?
[07:53] <jasmuz> firebird619: did you check out the forums to see if anybody has made that one work
[07:53] <gyaresu> does anyone have a copy of sharethenet
[07:53] <hondje> firebird619: http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/
[07:54] <firebird619> hondje: I tried that link already, this drivers didn't work either
[07:54] <gyaresu> does anyone remember sharethenet? the website is down and firebird619 needs a copy.
[07:54] <hondje> is it a HCF modem?
[07:54] <firebird619> jasmuz: No I hadn't yet.
[07:54] <firebird619> hondje: HSF
[07:55] <hondje> hrm, 'should' work, but if their free drivers dont, then their pay ones wont either
[07:55] <adonim> new to it all... am I right here for a question about firefox flash plugin...?
[07:56] <jasmuz> adonim: what is the question at hand?
[07:56] <firebird619> jasmuz: Does this mean anything. In Networking under System ==> Administration. When it is set to /dev/modem and I click Modem Connection and then Activate, it does activate.
[07:56] <dougmc> cafuego: nothing specific, just new upstream release around the time it broke
[07:56] <adonim> can't make it run.... tried everything from the ubuntu help and forum
[07:56] <xkuseme> gyaresu: what is your timeout set to?
[07:57] <jasmuz> firebird619: nah, dosent mean much
[07:57] <adonim> uhm
[07:57] <firebird619> jasmuz: :(
[07:58] <nalioth> hondje: are you still here?
[07:58] <jasmuz> firebird619: ;(
[07:58] <hondje> adonim: if you have multiverse repositories set up, just open a terminal and type 'sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree'
[07:58] <hondje> nalioth: Naturally :)
[07:58] <adonim> have installed both files in pluin folder but still it doesn't recognize the flash plugin
[07:58] <adonim> uhm... new what is respri....?
[07:58] <nalioth> hondje: am in training for my new(est) job
[07:58] <hondje> adonim: okay, I jumped too far ahead :)
[07:58] <FlannelKing> firebird619, suggest googling for a copy of ShareTheNet
[07:58] <hondje> nalioth: oh yeah? Good one?
[07:58] <adonim> I open a terminal
[07:59] <nalioth> hondje: yes and no. taxi dispatcher
[07:59] <hondje> nalioth: hope that works out :) I haven't heard back on my supposed-to-happen next job
[08:00] <hondje> adonim: type 'sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree'  If it gives you an error, no problem
[08:00] <CaptainMorgan> Atheros & Ubuntu - Where do you suggest I look?
[08:00] <nalioth> taxi dispatching and s&m clubs are synonymous
[08:00] <hondje> hehehe
[08:00] <adonim> ok did the command line error back : cant find package...
[08:00] <jasmuz> CaptainMorgan: in the forums
[08:00] <artic_fox> I need to set an environmental variable
[08:00] <artic_fox> for everybody
[08:00] <hondje> adonim: Easy to fix. Type 'sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list'
[08:00] <CaptainMorgan> Ubuntu forums?
[08:00] <artic_fox> RUBYOPT=-rubyopts
[08:00] <hondje> !repos
[08:00] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[08:01] <jasmuz> CaptainMorgan: yes
[08:01] <firebird619> Is one 56k external modem better than the other?
[08:01] <hondje> hey, everything is there :)
[08:01] <adonim> error None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[08:01] <CaptainMorgan> thank's jaz
[08:01] <hondje> hrm, that's not normal
[08:01] <adonim> but a window opened
[08:01] <hondje> does it have text in it?
[08:02] <nalioth> hondje: dont forget the answere to the md5 question !usrepos
[08:02] <jasmuz> firebird619: i recommend you get a US Robotics 56k
[08:02] <gyaresu> firebird619, any external modem will do fine (usually). because they do the DAC digital to analogue conversion in hardware not software.
[08:02] <hondje> nalioth: nice :)
[08:02] <artic_fox> do I put it in environment?
[08:02] <artic_fox> /etc/environment
[08:03] <artic_fox> anyone know?
[08:03] <nalioth> ok now, where are the @ops?
[08:03] <crimsun> hmm?
[08:04] <Jesse1> any1 know where i can get wm 10 codecs w32codecs doesnt have them
[08:04] <IceDC571> i dont think you can.. unless you use wine
[08:04] <nalioth> Jesse1: you can get them from the source www.mplayerhq.hu
[08:05] <nalioth> crimsun: is this just bad client settings?
[08:05] <cafuego> Gee, no wonde rit's slow, this box is using 1.5GB swap
[08:06] <aedwards__> i just installed ubuntu and my sound isnt working what can i do to correct this?,
[08:06] <hondje> adonim: still there?
[08:06] <crimsun> nalioth: no, looks like a deliberate attempt from the varied idents
[08:06] <aedwards__> i have a cmedia sound card....with 5.1 surround on it
[08:06] <adonim> oops was waiting ... guess I figured irc out now - the window openene was sources.list
[08:07] <hondje> adonim: No problem.  Do you see a line like    #deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe ?
[08:07] <nalioth> crimsun: (un)fortunately, i'm not savvy on this subject, but i do see something is wrong
[08:07] <adonim> yes
[08:07] <crimsun> aedwards__: paste the output of amixer onto the pastebin in the topic
[08:08] <adonim> this one? deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[08:08] <aedwards__> well my kaffeine player wont use sound but my system sound works fine
[08:08] <hondje> adonim: No, but I thought of an easier way to get you going :)
[08:08] <adonim> oh this one, huh  deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[08:08] <aedwards__> my audio on kaff is set to auto
[08:08] <hondje> yep, that one :)
[08:08] <karsten> Is Ubuntu supported on a PM7200/120 (Mac)?
[08:08] <jasmuz> take care yall
[08:09] <crimsun> aedwards__: are you using Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[08:09] <hondje> adonim: just add multiverse after universe, and then save the file
[08:09] <adonim> do I go there and say good bye and thnak your??
[08:09] <aedwards__> Ubuntu...5.04
[08:09] <adonim> oh
[08:09] <tiglionabbit> crimsun: I'm using both.  apt-get install ubuntu-desktop kubuntu-desktop
[08:09] <cafuego> karsten: if you can get BootX to work, it should work OK.
[08:09] <crimsun> aedwards__: ok, then you need to configure Kaffeine to use esound (if you can)
[08:09] <karsten> cafuego: Danke.
[08:09] <hondje> adonim: then all you have to do is run in a terminal 'sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree'
[08:09] <cafuego> karsten: I can't be arsed to boot up one of mine to check, though.
[08:09] <adonim> ok added and saved
[08:10] <benkong2> hey anybody got a good set of repos? getthis error:W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/c/cyrus21-imapd/cyrus21-pop3d_2.1.17-3ubuntu2_i386.deb  MD5Sum mismatch
[08:10] <tiglionabbit> !sources
[08:10] <cafuego> 7200s were LEMONS
[08:10] <ubotu> I guess sources is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories
[08:10] <XRayNuke> karsten: if it is, it's gonna be SLOW. I've run various versions of Linux on a Power Mac 6500, which is twice as fast and uses a more recent processor, and it was only semi-usable.
[08:10] <nalioth> !usrepos
[08:10] <ubotu> usrepos is, like, if you get MD5Sum mismatches when doing apt-get installs don't use the us mirror.  Change us.archive.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com in /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:10] <crimsun> benkong2: see the topic
[08:10] <aedwards__> how do i do that crim?
[08:10] <firebird619> gyaresu: Do you have cable Internet or dial-up. If dial-up, what modem do you have that works with Ubuntu
[08:10] <nalioth> benkong2: read what ubotu said about usrepos
[08:10] <karsten> cafuego: Got a reference on that?
[08:10] <benkong2> crimsun, sorry for the paste
[08:10] <XRayNuke> cafuego: they were the first PCI Power Macs, first rev of anything is gonna be flakier than a good baklava
[08:10] <crimsun> aedwards__: it may be in Kaffeine's preferences
[08:10] <karsten> XRayNuke: Thanks, that was my next question.  What're specs on that box?
[08:11] <karsten> XRayNuke: ...and what desktop(s) did you try?  I've found XFCE4 is a *lot* faster than GNOME>
[08:11] <cafuego> karsten: the bootx thing? /msg me your email address
[08:11] <XRayNuke> karsten: uh, PowerPC 601, 120 MHz, 3 PCI slots, ADB, SCSI, forget what else.
[08:11] <cafuego> karsten: just posted to ubuntu-users on monday
[08:11] <XRayNuke> I was using GNOME, so your mileage may vary.
[08:11] <adonim> wow... something was downloading...
[08:11] <benkong2> crimsun, nalioth thanks
[08:11] <XRayNuke> lemme get you some stats.
[08:11] <cafuego> karsten: How much ram does it have anbd do you have an OS7.x CD?
[08:11] <aedwards__> ive looked and i cant see them
[08:11] <hondje> adonim: that'll update the list of available software, then install flash and configure it
[08:12] <XRayNuke> fun 7200 fact: if you flip the board over, there's a face on the underside.
[08:12] <hondje> adonim: it's all quite magical :)
[08:12] <adonim> theres one error: Reading package lists... Done
[08:12] <adonim> bash: sude: command not found
[08:12] <karsten> cafuego: NFC.  This is an Earthlink luser running NS 4.8 / IE 3.5 on a Mac OS 8.6.
[08:12] <cafuego> karsten: Ok,
[08:12] <cafuego> karsten: Ok, prolly at least 64mb then
[08:12] <karsten> XRayNuke: How much memory standard / max.
[08:12] <hondje> adonim: oh, sude should be sudo :)
[08:12] <crimsun> !tell AlbanianLord about alsa-source
[08:12] <gyaresu> firebird619, i have had every external modem work with linux.
[08:12] <aedwards__> its okay ill mess with it tomorrow...thanks for you help
[08:12] <aedwards__> night all
[08:12] <XRayNuke> karsten: it is to your direct benefit to cram that thing with as much RAM as you can get. They shipped with like 8 MB.
[08:13] <karsten> hondje: No, no, no, I want my blue sude shoes....
[08:13] <cafuego> karsten: google 'GURU ram'
[08:13] <hondje> [ba-dum]
[08:13] <XRayNuke> karsten: http://lowendmac.com/ppc/7200.shtml
[08:13] <karsten> XRayNuke: Heh.
[08:13] <adonim> so I scroll back and do again without typo..?
[08:13] <hondje> adonim: yep :)
[08:13] <gyaresu> firebird619, it just gets recognised.
[08:13] <firebird619> gyaresu: Yes, I am sure all externals work, I was just wondering if you or anyone has an internal modem that they've got to work with Ubuntu
[08:13] <karsten> XRayNuke: When did that unit ship?  I'm thinking mid-1990s.
[08:13] <adonim> ok... this will take I am slow because tired ... 1st day with ubuntu my poor head... THANK YOU !!!!
[08:14] <hondje> adonim: no problem
[08:14] <gyaresu> firebird619, sorry. been some years since i've needed too.
[08:14] <XRayNuke> karsten: you're thinking right. 1995
[08:14] <hondje> firebird619: I have, but it's a PITA
[08:14] <hondje> I have an external modem, I use that when I need it
[08:14] <adonim> now i typed: sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[08:14] <adonim> and got this:
[08:14] <karsten> XRayNuke: Danke.
[08:15] <adonim> Couldn't find package flashplugin-nonfree
[08:15] <XRayNuke> you can get old apple specs here. http://www.info.apple.com/support/applespec.legacy/index.html
[08:15] <gyaresu> adonim, 'apt-cache search flashpluging'
[08:16] <XRayNuke> It's not a bad machine but honestly you probably should be running System 7 on it.
[08:16] <FlannelKing> adonim, minus the last g
[08:16] <nalioth> adonim: just search for the word "flash"
[08:16] <XRayNuke> unless you're using it as a router or something.
[08:16] <gyaresu> adonim, you need to add the backports entry into your /etc/apt/sources.list file i would guess.
[08:16] <adonim> did the first line... is searching something
[08:17] <adonim> did search on flash
[08:17] <hondje> adonim: open a terminal and cut and paste this in: wget http://www.hondje.net/~hondje/sources.list ; sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.backup ; sudo cp sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list ; sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[08:17] <hondje> gyaresu: it's in multiverse :)
[08:18] <adonim> wow its moving...
[08:19] <firebird619> gyaresu: What external modem is best to get: serial or USB
[08:19] <adonim> arg...: Reading package lists... Done
[08:19] <adonim> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_restricted_binary-powerpc_Packages)
[08:19] <adonim> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[08:19] <adonim> Reading package lists... Done
[08:19] <adonim> Building dependency tree... Done
[08:19] <adonim> E: Couldn't find package flashplugin-nonfree
[08:19] <firebird619> gyaresu: I would guess USB but thought I would ask.
[08:19] <gyaresu> hondje, thanks. sorry adonim.
[08:19] <gyaresu> firebird619, SERIAL!!!!!!!
[08:19] <hondje> adonim: okay, sudo apt-get update ; apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[08:19] <gyaresu> firebird619, :)
[08:20] <firebird619> gyaresu: OK, Thanks :)
[08:20] <gyaresu> firebird619, serial's been working A1 for a million years and you arn't worried about bandwidth.
[08:20] <adonim> thank you! done, but: E: Couldn't find package flashplugin-nonfree
[08:20] <hondje> that's odd
[08:20] <gyaresu> adonim, where are you in the world?
[08:21] <adonim> yap... since 6 hours for me...  THANKs
[08:21] <adonim> Im in Denver
[08:21] <gyaresu> adonim, someone might share their sources.list file.
[08:21] <crimsun> adonim: it's in multiverse.
[08:21] <hondje> adonim: hehe, I'm in Pueblo
[08:21] <crimsun> adonim: and see the topic to fix your md5sum errors.
[08:21] <hondje> gyaresu: I just gave him one in that little cut 'n paste
[08:21] <adonim> ok... not sure waht i should do....!?
[08:21] <gyaresu> hondje, too damn helpfull arn't you ;)
[08:22] <hondje> Ubuntu spirit, baby ;-)
[08:22] <crimsun> adonim: System> Preferences> Synaptic> Settings> Repositories> Add> check both that are unchecked
[08:22] <adonim> I feel rather helpless..:-)
[08:22] <hondje> I just removed and reinstalled it
[08:22] <hondje> so this is strange, maybe I borked the sources.list
[08:22] <Bloodmyst> Hmm.. does anyone have any patience to help someone with a dri kernel modification?
[08:22] <hondje> nope, they have multiverse
[08:23] <gyaresu> crimsun, I'm glad someone here knows how to drive a GUI (cause i don't)    :)
[08:23] <crimsun> !tell AlbanianLord about alsa-source
[08:23] <adonim> check marked the respiratiries...
[08:24] <adonim> it updated something
[08:24] <gyaresu> Bloodmyst, sorry, no.
[08:24] <crimsun> adonim: now search for and install flashplugin-nonfree
[08:24] <Bloodmyst> Heh
[08:25] <adonim> ok...!?
[08:25] <nalioth> gyaresu: guis are overrated
[08:25] <Burgundavia> nalioth, no they are not
[08:25] <Bloodmyst> Okay then, next question.  Anyone know anything about savage driver support in Hoary?
[08:26] <adonim> like this line?... apt-cache search flashplugin
[08:26] <firebird619> gyaresu: Just to let you know, in the Ubuntu Forums I found this link http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=36762&highlight=Modems which is a person with the same Intel 537EP modem as me and he has downloads and steps to install.
[08:26] <gyaresu> nalioth, especially when they tell you stuff-all "no modem detected" etc.
[08:26] <nalioth> Burgundavia: to each their own, i guess i can rest comfortably knowing how to navigate using both interfaces
[08:26] <hondje> adonim: yep :)
[08:26] <crimsun> adonim: no, after you enable those two unchecked repositories, you can just sudo aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
[08:26] <gyaresu> firebird619, nice one man. now you are the internal modem guru :0
[08:26] <Burgundavia> nalioth, my step-mother likes guis
[08:27] <adonim> it's unpacking...
[08:27] <adonim> arrrrg:  Initializing package states... Done
[08:27] <adonim> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[08:27] <adonim> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[08:27] <firebird619> I will let you know if it works.
[08:27] <firebird619> gyaresu: I will let you know if it works
[08:27] <gyaresu> firebird619, do. that's interesting.
[08:28] <nalioth> Burgundavia: my mother was a hardcore terminal user until i showed her a gui (an ancient KDE)
[08:28] <gyaresu> adonim, you are apt-get'ing in another terminal?
[08:28] <hondje> adonim: is synaptic still open?
[08:28] <adonim> i close them all open new terminal
[08:28] <hondje> ok, sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree ?
[08:29] <gyaresu> hondje, adonim see, there's that darn GUI getting in the way again.
[08:29] <crimsun> he can search for and install flashplugin-nonfree from within Synaptic
[08:29] <hondje> I think synaptic is a good idea for newbies...the whole concept of package management is really hard to grok for someone coming from windows
[08:29] <adonim> so sorry... what' GUI...?
[08:30] <gyaresu> adonim, ignore me.
[08:30] <hondje> he means synaptic :)
[08:30] <adonim> ok run the line again and got:  Initializing package states... Done
[08:30] <adonim> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "flashplugin-nonfree"
[08:30] <adonim> No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
[08:30] <adonim> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[08:30] <adonim> Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used.
[08:30] <adonim> Writing extended state information... Done
[08:30] <adonim> Reading package lists... Done
[08:30] <adonim> Building dependency tree
[08:30] <adonim> Reading extended state information
[08:30] <adonim> Initializing package states... Done
[08:31] <gyaresu> adonim, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/
[08:31] <hondje> whoops, don't cut and paste in this channel :) ~400 people and it gets to be too much :)
[08:31] <adonim> in the tbrowser now?
[08:32] <adonim> oops browser...?
[08:32] <hondje> adonim: for long error messages, use that link or use #flood
[08:33] <hondje> I just don't get it, though...you ran my little thing, which gave you multiverse, you ran apt-get update twice, it SHOULD be installing fine
[08:33] <thomas> !repositori
[08:33] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, thomas
[08:33] <thomas> !repositoris
[08:33] <ubotu> thomas: I don't know, could you explain it?
[08:33] <adonim> I thank you all sooo much... i give up for today...  If you get bored, drive down here and bring me a beer ;-)
[08:33] <thomas> ??
[08:33] <thomas> am i right ?
[08:33] <thomas> where to get rpositori list ?
[08:34] <hondje> !repositories
[08:34] <ubotu> methinks repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[08:34] <tiglionabbit> !sources
[08:34] <ubotu> methinks sources is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories
[08:34] <thomas> ohh
[08:34] <thomas> :)
[08:34] <AlbanianLord> PROBLEM SOLVED YES!!!!!
[08:34] <darmou> Does anyone know if there is a zope2.8 pakage for ubuntu?
[08:35] <hondje> !show zope
[08:35] <ubotu> hondje: I don't know, could you explain it?
[08:35] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: don't you ever sleep?
[08:35] <hondje> hrm
[08:35] <hondje> !info zope
[08:36] <ubotu> zope: (Open Source Web Application Server), section universe/web, is optional. Version: 2.6.4-1.6ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 2554 kB, Installed size: 13848 kB
[08:36] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: sometimes
[08:36] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: i wonder sometimes
[08:36] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: I spend way too much time in here though
[08:36] <darmou> ok just had a look the breezy list 2.7 is the lastest ver sigh
[08:36] <hondje> ubuntu tweekin
[08:36] <gyaresu> !alsa
[08:36] <ubotu> gyaresu: I don't know, could you explain it?
[08:36] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: i doubt that
[08:36] <gyaresu> just checking
[08:36] <nalioth> gyaresu: try !info alsa
[08:36] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: why?
[08:36] <gyaresu> !info alsa
[08:36] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: just wondering
[08:37] <nalioth> did we kill the bot?
[08:37] <crimsun> gyaresu: what do you need w/ alsa?
[08:37] <crimsun> (there's no 'alsa' package)
[08:37] <tiglionabbit> !info pornview
[08:37] <ubotu> pornview: (Image and movie viewer/manager), section universe/utils, is optional. Version: 0.2pre1-4 (hoary), Packaged size: 224 kB, Installed size: 676 kB
[08:37] <tiglionabbit> no, ubotu's still there
[08:37] <nalioth> !good bot
[08:37] <ubotu> thanks nalioth :)
[08:37] <tiglionabbit> !bad bot
[08:37] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: I don't know, could you explain it?
[08:37] <tiglionabbit> aw
[08:37] <gyaresu> crimsun, multiple threads ( i can't get xmms and xine/mplayer etc. to play together)
[08:38] <crimsun> gyaresu: are you using esound?
[08:38] <tiglionabbit> say, how come it says your name when you say that?
[08:38] <tiglionabbit> ubotu forget good bot
[08:38] <ubotu> thanks tiglionabbit :)
[08:38] <tiglionabbit> ??
[08:38] <gyaresu> crimsun, plus i'm interested in what 'bang'things there are.
[08:38] <tiglionabbit> preprogrammed command i guess
[08:38] <tiglionabbit> ubotu good bot is something nalioth just said.
[08:38] <ubotu> thanks tiglionabbit :)
[08:38] <tiglionabbit> darn
[08:39] <tiglionabbit> can't write over it
[08:39] <gyaresu> crimsun, yes (don't worry i havn't looked into it yet)
[08:39] <gyaresu> crimsun, is there a gumby help page for sound?
[08:39] <crimsun> gyaresu: then just configure xmms to use the esound output plugin in its preferences
[08:39] <crimsun> gyaresu: do the same for mplayer and xine
[08:40] <gyaresu> crimsun, ooh. right. fun stuff.
[08:40] <tiglionabbit> say guys, wanna see an interesting windows dialog I encountered recently?  http://pridelands.org/~spinifex/zomgprotected.jpg
[08:42] <scanwinder> does anyone know what the default port for Ares is?
[08:42] <Madpilot> tiglionabbit: thanks for reminding us what we're (not) missing!
[08:42] <tiglionabbit> hehe
[08:42] <hondje> ewww
[08:42] <hondje> I forgot how ugly windows is :)
[08:43] <tiglionabbit> the best part is that the folder I was moving was actually called "shared music"
[08:43] <Bloodmyst> Any Savage video card users enter while I was gone?
[08:44] <cafuego> ubotu: forget good bot
[08:44] <ubotu> thanks cafuego :)
[08:44] <cafuego> ubotu: stupid bot
[08:44] <ubotu> stupid cafuego
[08:44] <tiglionabbit> ya can't do it
[08:44] <cafuego> tiglionabbit: yes I can, I can perform an 'rm -rf' lobotomy ;-)
[08:44] <Madpilot> tiglionabbit: always disliked all that "My Documents" default junk. it just got worse in XP...
[08:44] <tiglionabbit> cafuego: that's not very nice..
[08:45] <Burgundavia> My prefix is being dropped for Longhorn
[08:45] <cafuego> tiglionabbit: Nevertheless
[08:45] <cafuego> Burgundavia: Yes, now it will be "Microsoft's Documents"
[08:45] <tiglionabbit> Madpilot: I heard M$ has announced in their next windows version they're going to stop saying "my" in front of everything
[08:45] <cafuego> Burgundavia: And "MPAA's Movies"
[08:45] <tiglionabbit> rofl
[08:45] <gyaresu> crimsun, just change to esd under sys >> pref >> multi and within xmms xine etc? and that should work? (not getting any sound, maybe a reboot)
[08:45] <cafuego> Burgundavia: There might be a "My Licenses"
[08:46] <Burgundavia> cafuego, and Our Programs
[08:46] <crimsun> gyaresu: pretty much
[08:46] <Madpilot> ... but you'll find yourself short of Your Money when buying Longhonk...
[08:47] <tiglionabbit> and of course hacked versions of windows would include "Bob Dole's Warez"
[08:47] <gyaresu> crimsun, thanks.
[08:47] <crimsun> gyaresu: can you hear anything at all? System sounds?
[08:47] <gyaresu> crimsun, nope.
[08:47] <cafuego> Burgundavia: And handwriting support, so you can SIGN agreements before using stuff.
[08:48] <crimsun> gyaresu: cat /proc/asound/cards
[08:49] <gyaresu> crimsun, they were working under alsa as default source.
[08:50] <gyaresu> crimsun, i gotta go out for an hour so i'll drop back in here later.
[08:50] <gyaresu> crimsun, cheers.
[08:51] <poningru> um I had a question
[08:51] <poningru> http://www.openclipart.org/cgi-bin/navigate/logos?page=2
[08:51] <poningru> are those ubuntu logos public domain?
[08:51] <crimsun> gyaresu: you'll have to catch me later.
[08:51] <poningru> I thought those were owned by the foundation?
[08:51] <salapoliisi> hi, last night i installed ubuntu on my mini-itx pc, it seemed to work fine, then i shut it down, today i took it with me in the work and now when i try to boot it stops loading and says something like kernel panic, is there anything to do, or do i have to reinstall it?
[08:51] <gyaresu> crimsun, just letting you know i appreciate the help :)
[08:53] <poningru> salapoliisi: any new hardware?
[08:53] <poningru> anything new you did?
[08:53] <poningru> any wierd hardware? like a sata drive or something?
[08:53] <salapoliisi> poningru: i did take ide cd-drive off
[08:53] <poningru> ooh
[08:53] <poningru> dont know why that would cause a prob
[08:53] <poningru> that shouldnt in a normal setting
[08:54] <poningru> I am not familiar with mini itx or its effects on ubuntu
[08:54] <salapoliisi> neither am i :D
[08:54] <salapoliisi> so changin' stuff will cause kernel panic?
[08:55] <salapoliisi> is there some way to reconfigure that
[08:55] <vinux> salapoliisi, if you eat cookies infront of ubuntu without sharing often it will shutdown and sometimes not come up for like 10min. Now I have to eat my cookies in the other room
[08:55] <poningru> rofl
[08:55] <poningru> salapoliisi: it shouldnt cause problem
[08:55] <salapoliisi> well i don't eat cookies, so there shouldn't be problem
[08:56] <poningru> haha I hope you know he was kidding
[08:56] <SDFH_Linux> i want cookie
[08:56] <vinux> :) yes yes that was a joke
[08:56] <salapoliisi> oh i really did think that computers can eat cookies!
[08:57] <xkuseme> hi one maybe stupid question, to install screensavers in gnome is there a way in the menu or do i need t compile them
[08:57] <Madpilot> put the cookies in the CDROM tray. close it. those grinding sounds are the computer chewing...
[08:57] <poningru> hahaha
[08:57] <poningru> if only I could tell that to people
[08:58] <Madpilot> that's why salapoliisi's computer isn't working. it can't eat cookies w/o a CDROM drive
[08:58] <Madpilot> so it's sulking...
[08:58] <salapoliisi> if i add usb-cdrom and give him some cookies will he work again?
[08:58] <SDFH_Linux> lol
[08:59] <salapoliisi> oh my god, how did you do that? it said *GRMMMRR* for a sec
[09:00] <Madpilot> ... chewing ...
[09:00] <salapoliisi> so you can feed cookies trough internet huh? thats cool
[09:01] <salapoliisi> but hey really, is there anything to do, or do i have to reinstall ubuntu?
[09:04] <Madpilot> xkuseme: there are dozens of screensavers included in Ubuntu. System --> Pref --> Screensaver
[09:04] <vinux> Hey guys I got a real problem I just install ubuntu on my computer and well Now I can't find my windows media player and I can't find my Internet explorer eaither! And I think i really messed up as in I think I mistakenly hacked into some guys computer. I keep seeing his name "Gnome" everywhere
[09:04] <Madpilot> salapoliisi: sorry, dumb jokes is about my technical limit...
[09:04] <xkuseme> Madpilot: yeah but i found a cool one online, so wonder how i install it
[09:05] <acid2> How do I log in to a svn server?
[09:05] <acid2> like doing "cvs ... login"
[09:05] <Madpilot> xkuseme: sorry, no idea...
[09:06] <FlannelKing> acid2, you need a svn client
[09:06] <acid2> Cant I use svn from the command prompt?
[09:06] <firebird619> Can someone help me? I am trying to install my modem but first I must apply a patch to the modem driver. I enter the directory the patch is in by it keeps telling me No Such File Or Directory. I know the directory exists, why does it keep telling me this
[09:06] <FlannelKing> that would count as a client, yes
[09:06] <acid2> thats what I mean
[09:06] <acid2> but there doesnt seem to be a login command
[09:07] <firebird619> I am doing this through the root terminal because I cannot login as root. It says Invalid Password.
[09:07] <HrdwrBoB> that's right
[09:07] <HrdwrBoB> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[09:08] <FlannelKing> acid2, you specify name/pass with the commands (type svn checkout help, for instance)
[09:08] <acid2> ah, ok
[09:09] <FlannelKing> acid2, actually, I think if you just try to checkout, it will prompt you (and then after that, your login will be cached for a bit), try reading the redbean book
[09:09] <FlannelKing> acid2, yeah, acutally, it will prompt you if you dont include one, and then cache it for [who knows how long]
[09:09] <acid2> FlannelKing, ah, well - I got it now :)
[09:09] <acid2> thanks!
[09:10] <alex__> how can i find my root password?
[09:10] <FlannelKing> alex__, have you set it yet?
[09:10] <alex__> im pretty sure i didn't
[09:10] <alex__> how can i?
[09:10] <The_Vox> alex__: there's no such thing by default
[09:10] <FlannelKing> Then you dont have one yet
[09:10] <FlannelKing> !root
[09:10] <alex__> oh
[09:10] <ubotu> [root]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:10] <alex__> no wonder
[09:10] <The_Vox> alex__: you use sudo
[09:11] <FlannelKing> alex__, read that
[09:11] <alex__> to install vsftpd it wont let me
[09:12] <str> Hi all...
[09:12] <str> I have a quiestion about the repositories...
[09:12] <Computer__Guru> You're gonna get coal in your stocking cause you're yuppie scum
[09:13] <Computer__Guru> just means more gifts for me
[09:13] <Computer__Guru> keep pissin santa off :)
[09:13] <str> is the same to have one line with:
[09:13] <str> deb http://gt.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[09:13] <karsten> str: They're different from suppositories...
[09:13] <salapoliisi> hey, any idea what the error means? "sbin/init: 428 cannot open dev/console: no such file - kernel panic blaa blaa"
[09:13] <riesco> algum brasileiro ?
[09:14] <str> than 2 lines  one with hoary, and one with univers?
[09:14] <karsten> salapoliisi: When did that happen?  On boot?
[09:14] <Computer__Guru> there are 4 universe sources in total
[09:14] <salapoliisi> karsten: yeah, it stops there and won't start
[09:14] <karsten> str: hoary and universe are  *different8 reepositories.
[09:14] <Computer__Guru> msg me and illc at you a good list
[09:14] <karsten> salapoliisi: What comes before that?
[09:14] <str> karsten: but... can I have them both in the same line?
[09:14] <Computer__Guru> no
[09:15] <Computer__Guru> i dont think so
[09:15] <karsten> salapoliisi: Sounds as if you may not have a /dev, whiich may suggest you don't have a filesystem, possibly.
[09:15] <karsten> str: No.
[09:15] <Computer__Guru> why would you anyways? would just be confusing
[09:15] <Computer__Guru> hi dev
[09:15] <salapoliisi> karsten: so that means i have to reinstall
[09:15] <spermie_> how do i change konsol settings on kubuntu as root??
[09:15] <salapoliisi> karsten: pivot_root: no such thing
[09:15] <spermie_> Hey Computer__Guru
[09:15] <karsten> salapoliisi: Well, how about quoting the error instead of paraphrasing it.
[09:16] <karsten> salapoliisi: Sounds like a bad initrd.  Boot your install disk we should be able to fix this.
[09:16] <karsten> salapoliisi: What's your hardware?  PC or Mac?
[09:16] <Computer__Guru> mount -t coitusfs /dev/man /dev/woman && cat /dev/spermie >>/dev/egg && /sbin/fertilize
[09:16] <salapoliisi> karsten: pc mini-itx
[09:16] <Computer__Guru> err
[09:16] <FlannelKing> str, you need hoary and universe on the same line, one indicates version (hoary, as opposed to breezy or warty) and then the repos (universe)
[09:16] <karsten> salapoliisi: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-8050.html
[09:17] <Computer__Guru> it's /dev/man on /mnt/woman
[09:17] <salapoliisi> karsten: it it worked just fine last night when i installed it, but now when i took it to work, it won't boot anymore, only thing i did change was removing ide cd-rom
[09:17] <karsten> salapoliisi: Scroll down to "WOO! WE HAVE A SOLUTION!"
[09:17] <str> FlannelKing: but do I need to have "hoary universe" and  "hoary multiverse" and "main restricted" in diferent lines?   or can I join them in one line?
[09:18] <Computer__Guru> str: msg me and I will provide you with a good sources.list
[09:18] <karsten> salapoliisi: Boot the install disk as your first step.  Let me know when you're ready or if you're going to blow me off, in which case I'll catch up on sleep.
[09:18] <hondje> !java
[09:18] <ubotu> from memory, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[09:18] <spermie_> ount: mount point /dev/woman does not exist
[09:18] <spermie_> spermie@Spermie:~$
[09:18] <salapoliisi> karsten: so i need cd-rom at this point :D
[09:18] <riesco> !grub
[09:18] <ubotu> from memory, grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto
[09:19] <karsten> str: man sources.list.  That tells you the format of the sources.list file.
[09:19] <karsten> salapoliisi: This would make progress eminantly more likely.
[09:19] <karsten> spermie_: dd if=/dev/rib of=/dev/woman
[09:19] <salapoliisi> i have to hunt one from somewhere...
[09:19] <Computer__Guru> spermie_: i guess mount -t masturbation /dev/man /mnt/porno && cat /dev/spermie >>/dev/napkin
[09:19] <FlannelKing> str, you can have them on the same line, well, itd be "hoary universe multiverse restricted", but you might as well have them on different lines (so you can comment them out easier)
[09:20] <Computer__Guru> && /sbin/imagine
[09:20] <karsten> Computer__Guru: I like my answer better.
[09:20] <FlannelKing> salapoliisi, you can boot from the network... theres instructions around here somewhere
[09:20] <salapoliisi> karsten: wouldn't it be easyer if i just reinstall after finding that cd-rom?
[09:20] <hondje> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingCompilers <--- did I miss anything obvious?
[09:20] <karsten> salapoliisi: No.
[09:20] <salapoliisi> FlannelKing: but i need machine to boot from :D
[09:20] <str> FlannelKing: so... it is ok to have  one line like this:     deb http://gt.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[09:21] <karsten> salapoliisi: You need to create a fixed initrd.  That's a minimal initial filesystem used to load modules.  Yours got hosed.
[09:21] <str> FlannelKing: and there i should have everything, exept the backports... right?
[09:21] <karsten> salapoliisi: In general, there's little need to reinstall Ubuntu.
[09:21] <karsten> salapoliisi: ...and you'll need to find that disk either way.
[09:21] <FlannelKing> str for hoary, not security or updates, but yes
[09:21] <karsten> bbiam...  installing an HD...
[09:22] <firebird619> Am I suppose to have these on my PC:     /boot/vmlinuz.autoconf.h and /boot/vmlinuz.version.h
[09:22] <str> FlannelKing: for securitys i nedd only this...deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted      <<--- Right?
[09:22] <spermie_> why was u all messing with me
[09:22] <spermie_> ?
[09:22] <Computer__Guru> str: you got all that, right?
[09:23] <FlannelKing> str I believe thats the syntax, you might also want universe
[09:23] <str> FlannelKing:  for hoary, not security or updates, but yes   <-- what do you mean with "updates" ?
[09:24] <FlannelKing> str as in, hoary-updates
[09:24] <str> FlannelKing: so.. this should be THE  line, right?    deb http://gt.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary hoary-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[09:25] <FlannelKing> str no, give the updates their own line, and it'll ONLY be main and restricted
[09:26] <FlannelKing> str, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories
[09:27] <eliUbuntu> anyone know much about dma?
[09:27] <hondje> I love dma
[09:28] <Whistler> what do i need to program cpp un ubuntu?
[09:28] <eliUbuntu> could it cause .ICEauthority to become problematic?
[09:28] <hondje> Whistler: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingCompilers
[09:28] <firebird619> Am I suppose to have these on my PC:     /boot/vmlinuz.autoconf.h and /boot/vmlinuz.version.h
[09:29] <hondje> Whistler: I just made that, if it's missing something you need, let me know
[09:29] <Panzerboy> morning all
[09:29] <Amaranth> anyone wanna play 'desktop screenshots' again?
[09:29] <Hackmo> hey can anyone help me get my webcam working?  it's a phillips toucam pro2 and accroding to the ubuntu site should work out of the box, but it doesn't.  I've posted on the fourms but had no reply
[09:30] <hondje> Amaranth: I love that game
[09:30] <Amaranth> i'll open with http://www.realistanew.com/desktop.png
[09:30] <Amaranth> i win!
[09:30] <hondje> :(
[09:30] <hondje> 2 out of 3?
[09:30] <Amaranth> hehe
[09:30] <Amaranth> show me yours
[09:30] <Whistler> hondje k
[09:30] <BeatYou-z> how do you change the port for vsftpd
[09:30] <eliUbuntu> firebird619: i do not have those files on my computer. what version of ubuntu are you using?
[09:30] <hondje> Amaranth: damn, you DO win
[09:30] <firebird619> 5.04
[09:31] <FlannelKing> Hackmo, does it get recognized at all? (you see messages when you unplug/replug in a console)
[09:31] <Amaranth> hondje: cristina scabbia from lacuna coil
[09:31] <firebird619> I am trying to install my modem and for those two things it says No Such File Or Directory but beings it says that I am guessing I need them to install my modem
[09:31] <eliUbuntu> hmm... did you install anything recently that made this catch your attention?
[09:31] <Amaranth> hondje: plus the ubuntu logo, beagle, the icon theme, etc :D
[09:31] <eliUbuntu> oh
[09:31] <hondje> I noticed the beagle
[09:31] <Whistler> hondje so installed compiler so how should i create programs?
[09:31] <FlannelKing> Hackmo, a real console, not one inside of gnome
[09:31] <hondje> Lacuna Coil...my brother was mentioning them
[09:31] <eliUbuntu> i bet my screen beats yours :P
[09:32] <Amaranth> show me
[09:32] <FlannelKing> Whistler, gedit? vim? emacs?  any text editor
[09:32] <firebird619> eliUbuntu: I am trying to install my modem and for those two things it says No Such File Or Directory but beings it says that I am guessing I need them to install my modem. Thats is how I noticed they weren't there, I tried to install my modem.
[09:32] <eliUbuntu> where do i upload it?
[09:32] <Amaranth> imagebucket?
[09:32] <Amaranth> flickr?
[09:32] <Amaranth> *shrug*
[09:32] <Whistler> FlannelKing i know this but how i make source code a program?
[09:32] <Hackmo> FlannerlKing: yeah it gets recognized if it is plugged in during bootup, when I run lsusb it shows me the name of the cam, but if I un-plug it and then plug it back in it wont pick it up and when I run lusb again it just hangs
[09:32] <eliUbuntu> firebird619: that is beyond me. my wlan automatically installed without a problem
[09:32] <Hackmo> FlannelKing* ^
[09:33] <glick> hello
[09:33] <Madpilot> eliUbuntu: http://www.imageshack.us/
[09:33] <eliUbuntu> firebird619: did you look in the wiki pages on ubuntu?
[09:33] <Amaranth> hondje: she sings better than she looks, you should listen :)
[09:33] <Hackmo> FlannelKing: check out my post for the message I get http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38004
[09:33] <eliUbuntu> thanks Madpilot
[09:33] <firebird619> eliUbuntu: I have dial-up Internet. I know this modem can be installed on 5.04 because I found a post in the forums of a guy that has this same modem and installed successfully
[09:33] <hondje> Whistler: simple version is g++ foo.cc -o foo
[09:33] <FlannelKing> Whistler, with gcc or g++, from that page he gave you
[09:33] <glick> i wonder, i really like ubuntu but couldnt use it because my firewire external harddisk wasnt supported correctly by any of the available kernels
[09:34] <hondje> Whistler: long version is reading the docs on autotools or gcc
[09:34] <feugan3333> Hi all. Does anyone know what packages is required to recompile the kernel with make "make menuconfig". I't says that I need the ncurses-devel. What is the name of the ubuntu equivalent>
[09:34] <hondje> FlannelKing: that one just explains how to install the compilers
[09:34] <glick> when i tried to compile the kernel that did support it, gnome would take 4ever to load up, even though that kernel works perfectly in debian
[09:34] <karsten> salapoliisi: Que pasta?
[09:34] <hondje> Amaranth: I did a bit, but I can't recall if I liked it or not
[09:34] <firebird619> eliUbuntu: His post and success is why I think that I am unsuccessful because of those files it says aren't there
[09:34] <BeatYou-z> anyone know how to change the listen port for vsftpd? i change it in the vsftpd.conf and restart through init.d / now it wont accept connections
[09:34] <glick> wonder if that was a known issue
[09:34] <glick> if its been fixed
[09:35] <Whistler> any tutorials  for compiling cpp programs?
[09:35] <Madpilot> my screenshot, for the heck of it: http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/5688/warbard0pt.png
[09:35] <hondje> feugan3333: probably libncurses5
[09:35] <karsten> BeatYou-z: WAG:  are you launching it from inetd.conf?
[09:36] <eliUbuntu> firebird619: did you search for these files in the repository?
[09:36] <BeatYou-z> through /etc/init.d/vsftpd restartr
[09:36] <BeatYou-z> restart
[09:36] <BeatYou-z> yes
[09:36] <Whistler> Madpilot opera rullz
[09:36] <Whistler> :)
[09:36] <eliUbuntu> firebird619: also you should check to make sure your repository is not on the links of us.*
[09:37] <eliUbuntu> firebird619: get rid of all us. repos
[09:37] <FlannelKing> Sorry Hackmo, I cant help you
[09:37] <Computer__Guru> what id like to do is install some flavor of nix on my jornada 690 handheld
[09:37] <Computer__Guru> i'd be all kinds of happy
[09:37] <firebird619> eliUbuntu: yes I searched in Synaptic for these files. The only repository I have there is the Install CD
[09:37] <glick> it would support my firewire drive, but during transfers of large amounts of information to or from the drive, the transfer would freeze
[09:37] <Hackmo> FlannelKing: ok thanks anyway
[09:37] <Hackmo> does anyone else have any ideas?
[09:37] <Madpilot> Whistler: yah, it's more of an Opera screenshot rather than a desktop screenie, but close enough.... :
[09:38] <Computer__Guru> glick: sounds like a bursting problem
[09:38] <vladuz976> join #ubuntu-de
[09:38] <glick> Computer__Guru, yeah
[09:38] <Computer__Guru> probably to do with a buffer
[09:38] <hondje> here's mine
[09:38] <FlannelKing> firebird619, that's your problem, get more repos
[09:38] <feugan3333> hondje: thanks I'll give it a try
[09:38] <Computer__Guru> wouldnt imagine it being a cachefile problem
[09:38] <hondje> http://www.hondje.net/~hondje/Screenshot.png
[09:38] <glick> Computer__Guru, yeah but it works on the same box running debian
[09:38] <firebird619> how do I do that. I don't have Internet access on Ubuntu.
[09:38] <glick> with my custom kernel
[09:38] <karsten> BeatYou-z: What's netstat -l tell you?  Should show up listening on the designated port.
[09:38] <firebird619> FlannelKing: How do I do that. I have no Internet on Ubuntu
[09:39] <Computer__Guru> hondje: nice
[09:39] <hondje> I was using Amaranth's namesake for a theme, but I did a overhaul and haven't put it back
[09:39] <Computer__Guru> glick: look for the difference between the firewire packages then
[09:39] <BeatYou-z> karsten ill try it
[09:39] <glick> but it sucks cause i really wanted to use ubuntu
[09:39] <glick> i really like it
[09:39] <Madpilot> hondje: where'd you get the wallpaper? i like it
[09:39] <Computer__Guru> hondje: http://www.daede.com/MyDesktop.jpg
[09:39] <eliUbuntu> screen shot is here -> http://img350.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot9vv.jpg
[09:39] <FlannelKing> firebird619, you'll have to download them on another machine, and then sneakernet them over
[09:39] <hondje> Madpilot: deviantart.com
[09:39] <glick> Computer__Guru, what do you mean?
[09:39] <hondje> in the political section
[09:39] <Amaranth> hey, address these to me too
[09:39] <firebird619> FlannelKing: Do you have those files that it says that I am missing.
[09:39] <Amaranth> i'm missing desktops!
[09:40] <BeatYou-z> karsten: dont see anything on 666
[09:40] <firebird619> FlannelKing: Where do I download them from?
[09:40] <BeatYou-z> ill put it back to default real quick
[09:40] <Computer__Guru> glick: it's either your firewire drivers, or your ata drivers.. find out what the difference is between the debian system with those packages and the system in querstion
[09:40] <hondje> Madpilot: I can upload it if you want
[09:40] <salapoliisi> karsten: now i got cd-rom, what next?
[09:40] <glick> Computer__Guru, i looked at the change logs from the kernel ubuntu uses to the one that my drive worked i didnt see any change regarding that
[09:40] <eliUbuntu> firebird619: did you try to search for those files on google? its best to google the exact error messages you get
[09:40] <eliUbuntu> that brings up a lot
[09:40] <Computer__Guru> ya got me then
[09:41] <firebird619> eliUbuntu: That's what I am doing right now
[09:41] <Amaranth> ok cool, i still win :P
[09:41] <eliUbuntu> Amaranth: your desktop pic please :)
[09:41] <hondje> Computer__Guru: is that the xorg compositing?
[09:41] <hondje> Amaranth: did you get my humble desktop?
[09:41] <Computer__Guru> yes
[09:41] <karsten> salapoliisi: Boot it.
[09:41] <Amaranth> hondje: yeah :)
[09:42] <Amaranth> eliUbuntu: Err, let me find it again
[09:42] <ColonelKernel> im using centos on my router box right now but im considering switching that to ubuntu too
[09:42] <FlannelKing> firebird619, what are you doing that you need the header files for?
[09:42] <Amaranth> eliUbuntu: http://reverend.warp1.net/wallpapers/files/christina_scabbia_01.jpg
[09:42] <firebird619> FlannelKing: installing my modem
[09:42] <Amaranth> eliUbuntu: You should listen to her music too.
[09:42] <Madpilot> hondje: got a filename so I can search deviantart?
[09:42] <karsten> salapoliisi: I think it may offer you a rescue option, if not, start the installer, but we're going to keep it from going anywhere.
[09:42] <hondje> Madpilot: iEmpireWP.png
[09:42] <Amaranth> opera has an IRC client?
[09:42] <Amaranth> that's just sad
[09:42] <hondje> Madpilot: I'll just scp it up
[09:42] <salapoliisi> karsten: okay
[09:43] <eliUbuntu> i would imagine your a happy man behind the computer
[09:43] <firebird619> FlannelKing: I found a post on the forums on how to install my modem and except for those 2 files, installation went fine.
[09:43] <hondje> Madpilot: http://www.hondje.net/hondje/~hondje/iEmpireWP.png
[09:43] <FlannelKing> firebird619, which post?
[09:43] <hondje> Madpilot: http://www.hondje.net/~hondje/iEmpireWP.png
[09:43] <Madpilot> hondje: thnx. search is down at deviantart... :(
[09:43] <hondje> whoops
[09:43] <spermie_> what are some good web sites where i can learn ubuntu/kubuntu commands so i can stop living in IIRC>?
[09:44] <FlannelKing> spermie_, what nature of commands?
[09:44] <firebird619> FlannelKing: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=36762&highlight=Modems
[09:44] <eliUbuntu> did you guys ever see the automatic script to add all drives on your computer to ubuntu?
[09:44] <hondje> Amaranth: what kind of music does she sing?
[09:44] <spermie_> just coomands that will help me use linux easier
[09:44] <FlannelKing> firebird619, you need the kernel headers, I'll bet that will include those files
[09:45] <Amaranth> hondje: 'italian goth rock'
[09:45] <FlannelKing> firebird619, the "make sure you have gcc and linux-headers for the version youre running" line at the beginning, did you do that?
[09:45] <vladuz976> does anybody know where to configure the icons that show on the splash screen of gnome?
[09:45] <firebird619> FlannelKing: I have the headers installed from Synaptic, I would think they would be there already.
[09:45] <firebird619> FlannelKing: I also have gcc installed
[09:45] <hondje> Amaranth: heh, no wonder I never heard of them.  I'm a punk and reggae sorta guy
[09:45] <salapoliisi> karsten: sry
[09:46] <FlannelKing> firebird619, headers installed from synaptec? and it says youre missing which files?
[09:46] <eliUbuntu> firebird619: you're not using the us repositories right?
[09:46] <karsten> salapoliisi: OK.  at bootup is there a rescue option?
[09:46] <firebird619> FlannelKing: The only repository I have is the Install CD
[09:46] <salapoliisi> karsten: at cd-boot, yes
[09:46] <eliUbuntu> underground hip hop here
[09:46] <karsten> salapoliisi: Try that and see where it gets us.
[09:46] <salapoliisi> karsten: okey
[09:47] <hondje> Great, the news says wood smoke causes lung cancer....
[09:47] <karsten> hondje: Where you at?
[09:47] <eliUbuntu> and so does charred bread
[09:47] <firebird619> FlannelKing: it says I am missing the files:   /boot/vmlinuz.autoconf.h and /boot/vmlinuz.version.h
[09:47] <karsten> hondje: CO?
[09:47] <FlannelKing> firebird619, what package in synaptec did you install (the header one)
[09:47] <hondje> karsten: Yeah, Pueblo CO
[09:47] <hondje> I can see the fire d'jour from here :)
[09:48] <eliUbuntu> hondje.... little dog?
[09:48] <eliUbuntu> thats your name?
[09:48] <hondje> Yes, but I'm not dutch :)
[09:48] <karsten> hondje: Dig.  I was through there a couple years back.
[09:48] <eliUbuntu> hmm
[09:48] <firebird619> FlannelKing: for headers I have linux-headers-2.6.10-5,   linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386,    and linux-headers-386 installed
[09:48] <eliUbuntu> the dutch language caught i guess
[09:48] <karsten> hondje: The intermountain / rocky area is one big burn risk.
[09:49] <hondje> yep, and down here it's higher, since the foothills are trees bordered by desert
[09:49] <hondje> odd to live in a desert and see a forest fire out your window :)
[09:49] <karsten> hondje: 20 mile burn scars through Idaho & Wyoming.  Yellowstone fire (from the 1980s) was still highly evident.
[09:49] <holycow> rofl
[09:49] <eliUbuntu> at first i thought your name was honda + the je... then realized little dog
[09:50] <holycow> anyone who has ogl enabled drivers installed, go and install a packge called 3ddesktop
[09:50] <hondje> hehe, minihonda
[09:50] <n1k0> I just talked to some who claims that ubuntu or any distro is not good for a desktop. He said that every gui in linux is buggy.
[09:50] <holycow> wow!
[09:50] <karsten> hondje: odder to live in a forest fire and see a window in your desert.
[09:50] <n1k0> Argh!
[09:50] <firebird619> FlannelKing: I also have linux-kernel-headers installed
[09:50] <karsten> n1k0: Troll elsewhere.
[09:50] <hondje> karsten: hehe
[09:50] <hondje> holycow: 3ddesktop is cool :D
[09:50] <n1k0> karsten: No I'm not trolling. That's not my opinion.
[09:51] <holycow> hondje, i've never seen this before!
[09:51] <eliUbuntu> hondje, that program hogs memory though
[09:51] <karsten> n1k0: If you haven't used Linux, then try it and form your own opinion.
[09:51] <n1k0> karsten: I used Linux in desktop and servers.
[09:52] <n1k0> karsten: I have used linux six years. =)
[09:52] <hondje> eliUbuntu: I have tons of memory
[09:52] <karsten> n1k0: ... OK, and your point in asking that question was... ?
[09:52] <eliUbuntu> hondje: so do i
[09:52] <hondje> n1k0: Then what's with the low quality trolling? :)  I raised the bar in here, man
[09:52] <salapoliisi> karsten: now i have to select root disk, but it gives only mounting points at cd, and says i have to mount other drives manually, is this ok?
[09:52] <hondje> I once got a newbie to set up X font server
[09:52] <hondje> Now that, sir, is quality
[09:52] <eliUbuntu> 1 gig.... and still that prog hogs memory
[09:52] <eliUbuntu> but now im running dma
[09:52] <eliUbuntu> maybe faster
[09:52] <karsten> salapoliisi: Um.   I'm in search of a good/free CAD program (a la AutoCAD for 2D editing of autocad files) AND a business proces modeling program ( http://www.bizzdesign.nl/jpg/bizzdesigner-model.jpg  )... Can anyone give me a hint or something?
[09:53] <n1k0> karsten: I just tell it here no point of anykind :D But not ment to troll.
[09:53] <duckforce> how do I enable dma on my usb push cart?
[09:53] <karsten> salapoliisi: ...or is this a "what would you like to boot" sort of question WRT the root disk.
[09:53] <karsten> n1k0: OK, I misread you.
[09:53] <eliUbuntu> !dma
[09:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> Da_SWAT: give me a minute. I'll look somthing up re cad
[09:53] <salapoliisi> karsten: can you specify that "booting" the install is running, isn't that booting too? or do i have to get my ubuntu deskop so i can say it's no booted up?
[09:54] <n1k0> karstern: yes that was my point. I was shocked :D
[09:54] <eliUbuntu> duckforce: type
[09:54] <hondje> Da_SWAT: Ever look at varkon?
[09:54] <eliUbuntu> "!dma"
[09:54] <eliUbuntu> and follow it
[09:54] <duckforce> "!dma"
[09:54] <n1k0> salapoliisi? Oot suomesta? =)
[09:54] <karsten> n1k0: As a counterpoint, I've been advising a friend who's now got a SuSE/XP dual boot system, his first Linux desktop.  SuSE installed perfectly.  XP is giving him 120+ hours of billed-support hell.
[09:54] <duckforce> what did that do
[09:54] <salapoliisi> n1k0: joop
[09:54] <Madpilot> duckforce: leave the " quotes off that
[09:54] <duckforce> ""!dma
[09:55] <karsten> salapoliisi: The install disk will start up and give you a startup, pre-boot option.  IIRC one of these is to boot off your existing HD, which will simplify a few things.
[09:55] <eliUbuntu> you see the the little obotu in red?
[09:55] <eliUbuntu> click on it
[09:55] <eliUbuntu> and follow the link it gives
[09:55] <Madpilot> !dma
[09:55] <kjon> I need help. I opened a MSWord doc with some math stuff on it with openoffice. The text is fine, but all the equations looks horrible. What is the problem?
[09:55] <hondje> I don't know if varkon does autocad files, but it's a nice app
[09:55] <karsten> salapoliisi: root=/dev/hda1 may likely work.
[09:55] <Da_SWAT> hondje, varkon seems nice.... do you have experience with it?
[09:55] <hondje> Da_SWAT: Very, very little
[09:55] <Razor-X> kjon: Oo's math support is bad
[09:55] <hondje> Another guy at work was tooling with it
[09:55] <salapoliisi> karsten: okey i try to mount it now
[09:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> Da_SWAT: http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en/table.shtml#9
[09:55] <Razor-X> that's why I love LaTeX
[09:55] <Razor-X> so universal ;)
[09:55] <hondje> LaTeX is great
[09:56] <n1k0> karsten: I have this one new machice also. In windows it probably needs many 3party drivers. But in ubuntu everything works almost out of the box =)
[09:56] <Razor-X> I'm probably gonna buy Lamport's book
[09:56] <slept> Does anyone know an other way to get the memory adress of my graphiccard than looking in Xfree86.log. I need this for the mtrr support entry in proc. Or how can I test if the adress I gave is right ?
[09:56] <Da_SWAT> hondje, but it seems like something usefull, thanks :D (http://www.tech.oru.se/cad/varkon/scrdmp4.htm)
[09:56] <n1k0> karsten: I just hate installing 3 party drivers, and in windows you need reboot between drivers...argh! :D
[09:56] <hondje> Razor-X: while you're book shopping, ever read knuth's books? Computers AND math, double the fun
[09:56] <eliUbuntu> thanks for the link Kamping_Kaiser
[09:56] <kjon> Razor-X: And what can I do to convert the ms-equ. objects to latex or whatever format usable on linux?
[09:56] <karsten> salapoliisi: There's more than one way to do this, I'm steering for reasonably simple.
[09:56] <Razor-X> n1k0: a reboot in Linux is very very rare
[09:56] <eliUbuntu> informative
[09:56] <hondje> Da_SWAT: glad to help :)
[09:57] <karsten> n1k0: That and everything else....
[09:57] <Razor-X> kjon: know LaTeX ;)
[09:57] <n1k0> Razor-X: I know. =)
[09:57] <karsten> Razor-X: Yeah, I just rebooted a box here ... to swap out HDs.
[09:57] <n1k0> karsten: yes...pure pain..
[09:57] <hondje> That's not true, I reboot all the time
[09:57] <Razor-X> n1k0: that there was the second piece of text I ever read in a Linux OS
[09:57] <hondje> At least once a month :(
[09:57] <Razor-X> back when I was 11 ;)
[09:57] <eliUbuntu> i have a duel booting laptop... gotta reboot all the time
[09:57] <kjon> Razor-x: Is Latex able to open mathtype's stuff?
[09:57] <MilitantDK> how do I get a newer firefox than 1.0.2, without breaking ubuntu? tried debian 1.0.4-2, but all shokwave, etc. cannot be installed, since it wants ubuntu stuff that has been replaced in order for 1.0.4 to work
[09:57] <Razor-X> yeah, I double-boot, that's the bad thing
[09:58] <Madpilot> this computer has been up since Thursday last week. couldn't have done that in XP...
[09:58] <salapoliisi> karsten: oh great now it booted my computer, i think im going to install ubuntu again, least i know how to do it, this takes a month
[09:58] <Razor-X> kjon: LaTeX is a language on its own
[09:58] <Razor-X> it's not a symbolic/visual thing
[09:58] <hondje> MilitantDK: it has all the security stuff already. In the location bar type about:config, search for vendorSub, and change 1.0 to 1.0.4 and you should have no problems with extensions
[09:58] <eliUbuntu> MilitantDK: add the the backport repositories
[09:58] <mirak> hello
[09:58] <ColonelKernel> MilitantDK, im using the 1.0.4 from the mozilla site
[09:58] <eliUbuntu> make sure its not us repositories though
[09:58] <Razor-X> I can probably LaTeX it meself, if you give it to me, but it'll never hurt to do it
[09:58] <karsten> salapoliisi: Slow down.
[09:58] <poningru> MilitantDK: dont worry about it
[09:58] <mla> Hi
[09:59] <poningru> it will be taken care of
[09:59] <Razor-X> MS Equation Editor is hopelessly slow, and much worse than LaTeX
[09:59] <poningru> within the next few days
[09:59] <Razor-X> hondje: am I right?
[09:59] <kjon> Razor-x: In simple words, I need to install VMWare Workstation in order to avoid losing all my work?? T-T hell...
[09:59] <hanasaki> where can i get firefox 1.04 or 05?
[09:59] <hondje> I've never used MS Equation Editor
[09:59] <mla> I try to install php5 packages on hoary
[09:59] <eliUbuntu> using firefox 1.0.4 from the repository here
[09:59] <poningru> hanasaki: wait for it
[09:59] <Razor-X> kjon: well, you can learn LaTeX
[09:59] <hanasaki> eliUbuntu: which rep?
[09:59] <karsten> salapoliisi: Read that link I gave you and follow the instructions on it.
[09:59] <hondje> OO.org Math is slow, though
[09:59] <poningru> it will show up within couple of days/weeks
[09:59] <hanasaki> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10681
[09:59] <ColonelKernel> Im using 1.0.4 from http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/central.html
[09:59] <eliUbuntu> hanasaki: let me get the repos links
[09:59] <Razor-X> almost all of #math's big people know LaTeX
[09:59] <Da_SWAT> Kamping_Kaiser, thanks for the list. Doens't help me with my 2nd problem though.. ( http://www.bizzdesign.nl/jpg/bizzdesigner-model.jpg )
[10:00] <hanasaki> thanks eliUbuntu
[10:00] <Razor-X> i'm not sure which mathematician in this day and age doesen't use it ;)
[10:00] <karsten> salapoliisi: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-8050.html
[10:00] <hanasaki> ColonelKernel:  hmm your not usnig  a.deb?
[10:00] <MilitantDK> thx for swift replies
[10:00] <FlannelKing> Da_SWAT, so, visio type things? or MS Project type things?
[10:00] <salapoliisi> karsten: okay, ill try to get my patience back
[10:00] <mirak> hello
[10:00] <kjon> Thx. Razor.
[10:00] <karsten> cafuego: Were you they person who had that "rescan the partition table after fdisk" command for me the other day?
[10:01] <Razor-X> or, better yet, kjon, convert to PDF
[10:01] <karsten> salapoliisi: Apparently this is a warty bug, so you'd be stuck with the same problem regardless.
[10:01] <ColonelKernel> hanasaki, no
[10:01] <mirak> I want to use gcc3.4.4 instead of gcc3.4.3 to build a cross compiler with toolchain-source. Is it possible ?
[10:01] <Razor-X> that way Ubuntu can read it, albeit, can't edit it
[10:01] <kjon> That's good idea, I'd not though about it.
[10:01] <karsten> salapoliisi: ...so do the steps in that link.
[10:01] <Razor-X> lot of free tools for that
[10:01] <salapoliisi> karsten: i have to do it again if i just install it, im going to use this http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=42546&postcount=14
[10:01] <Razor-X> available on Windows, I mean
[10:02] <Da_SWAT> FlannelKing, it's business process modeling. Bizzdesigner is the program I used, but it's prop, and it doesn't work on linux. Now I need another tool :S
[10:02] <kjon> Yeah, sure, I got the point.
[10:02] <FlannelKing> Razor-X, or you can do the math thing as a picture (which is what EqnEdit used to do) embedded in a word doc
[10:02] <holycow> nite
[10:02] <hondje> There's some latex2png thing
[10:02] <Razor-X> FlannelKing: I have... regardless, it's a pain-in-the-arse
[10:02] <FlannelKing> Da_SWAT, yes, but is it more of a visio thing (as in, state machine?) or project (as in, 3 weeks for this, 4 weeks for this, 1 week for this, planning, etc)
[10:02] <Da_SWAT> So kVisio could do the trick, but it wouldn't be a 'real' solution (there's only so much you can do with visio)
[10:02] <Razor-X> hondje: really? ;)
[10:02] <hondje> yessir
[10:02] <hondje> wikipedia uses it
[10:03] <Madpilot> cool. next version of Opera will have BitTorrent support built in... http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/en/2005/07/07/
[10:03] <Razor-X> Madpilot: really?
[10:03] <Da_SWAT> FlannelKing, than more like state machine (in this case process flow)
[10:03] <Razor-X> craaaaazy!
[10:03] <karsten> salapoliisi: Sec...
[10:03] <glick> hey buy using the live distro can i copy and write to any of the drives?
[10:03] <Madpilot> Razor-X: check that URL...
[10:03] <Razor-X> Madpilot: I must ;)
[10:03] <karsten> glick: Yes.  If you mount them writable.
[10:03] <hondje> Razor-X: there's even an emacs plugin for latex2png
[10:03] <eliUbuntu> anyone else want the backport repos for the new firefox?
[10:03] <Razor-X> hondje: oh, really!
[10:03] <Madpilot> apparently Opera's servers crashed when 8.0 was released. Suddenly they "got" BitTorrents... :)
[10:04] <hondje> http://www.sfu.ca/~gswamina/code/latex2png.el
[10:04] <Madpilot> Razor-X: there's always the tech demo (beta software) if you're feeling brave...
[10:04] <FlannelKing> Da_SWAT, you might try Umbrello, its not designed for business models, but it does the same thing
[10:05] <poningru> from dp to OOo
[10:05] <poningru> so blah
[10:05] <Razor-X> Madpilot: I do ;)
[10:05] <Razor-X> I remember the crash, meself
[10:05] <n1k0> backports...I don't even use them.
[10:06] <Da_SWAT> FlannelKing, thnx. It
[10:06] <FlannelKing> Da_SWAT, or even things like dia, should work (and is included in ubuntu)
[10:06] <Madpilot> yea, I couldn't get 8 for XP for a couple of days. was irritating...
[10:06] <mirak> qqun a deja fait un cross compiler avec toolchain-source ?
[10:06] <eliUbuntu> n1k0: why not use the backports?
[10:06] <Da_SWAT> FlannelKing, might you have a url for diag (just curious)
[10:06] <mirak>  I want to use gcc3.4.4 instead of gcc3.4.3 to build a cross compiler with toolchain-source. Is it possible ?
[10:06] <Razor-X> Madpilot: I got it off some obscure server
[10:06] <FlannelKing> dia is in the repos, its a gnome thing I believe
[10:06] <karsten> Madpilot: Heh...
[10:07] <Da_SWAT> FlannelKing, thnx for all
[10:07] <eliUbuntu> is there a drop shadow option to add to ubuntu?
[10:07] <karsten> Da_SWAT: 'apt-cache seach <description or name>'
[10:07] <n1k0> eliUbuntu: I don't see any point to use them. I do not need the latest software.
[10:07] <karsten> Da_SWAT: ...will search for packages matching description or name.
[10:07] <n1k0> and backports may broke system...
[10:08] <hondje> time for bed, night Razor-X
[10:08] <FlannelKing> Da_SWAT, actually, try searching for anything with UML in the description, theres a couple of promising things (which will vary in ways, and from them you should be able to find something adequate)
[10:08] <glick> damn i cant find anything about it on google
[10:08] <Madpilot> karsten: hey, I needed my fix... :) ... and O8 really is a large improvement over the last versions of O7...
[10:08] <glick> i need access to my external drive :(
[10:08] <glick> and i want to use ubuntu
[10:08] <glick> but i guess the gods of the universe dont want me to have my cake and eat it too
[10:09] <Da_SWAT> FlannelKing, karsten. Thnx 4 all. I'm off now (work work)
[10:09] <karsten> Madpilot: I'm waiting for Galeon to regain its sanity...
[10:09] <salapoliisi> karsten: so did you have something to say?
[10:09] <karsten> glick: What's your external drive?
[10:09] <karsten> salapoliisi: Possibly.  I'm in 3 channels and mirroring a drive ATM....
[10:09] <dade`> hi all
[10:09] <dade`> i need help
[10:09] <salapoliisi> :D
[10:09] <glick> karsten, its a maxtor
[10:10] <dade`> what packages take care of automounting partitions ?
[10:10] <salapoliisi> dade`: almost every one here needs help
[10:10] <dade`> i see warty does that and hoary don't
[10:10] <Madpilot> karsten: haven't used galeon. what's insane about it?
[10:10] <eliUbuntu> ah, dade - ask Seveas for it
[10:10] <Seveas> dade`, partitions aren't automounted
[10:10] <Seveas> dade`, only removable drives are
[10:10] <karsten> glick: USB?  Firewire?  Tin-can-and-string?  Smoke signals?
[10:10] <eliUbuntu> actually i still have the the link
[10:10] <Seveas> and that's done by pmount/hal
[10:10] <dade`> Seveas: what i need to do to automount partitions ? (warty live does)
[10:11] <Seveas> dade`, you mean your windows/mac partitions?
[10:11] <glick> karsten, firewire
[10:11] <dade`> yea, but also ext*
[10:11] <karsten> Madpilot: It's a Gtk/Gnome browser.  Was IMO the ideal power-user browser in v. 1.2.  Currently getting GNOMEified in 1.3, lost a bunch of features, the dev's mentality is IMO way off track.
[10:11] <Seveas> dade`: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[10:11] <dade`> just all other partition it can mount
[10:11] <Seveas> for ext* there is no automount
[10:11] <karsten> glick: OK. You'll need ieee1394 support loaded.
[10:12] <karsten> glick: IIRC it should appear as a SCSI device.
[10:12] <mla> Hi, where I can find a repository with php5 packages on hoary ?
[10:12] <karsten> glick: 'modprobe ieee1394; dmesg | tail -40'
[10:12] <karsten> glick: ...should show something vaguely interesting.
[10:12] <Seveas> mla, afaik nowhere yet
[10:12] <Madpilot> karsten: interesting... i'll have to take a look at some point.
[10:12] <dade`> mmhh, strange anyway, partitions should be mounted automatically i think, moreover in a live distro
[10:12] <eliUbuntu> Seveas: that winmac fstab is a great script. it has helped a lot for me. thanks
[10:12] <Seveas> karsten, tail -n 40
[10:12] <glick> karsten, it works but then when i tansfer like a gig of stuff from or too it it copies like half the stuff then it gets like transfer errors i/o errors etc
[10:12] <Seveas> tail -40 is deprecated syntax
[10:12] <Seveas> eliUbuntu, yw
[10:13] <Madpilot> karsten: but i've been an Opera user since Opera 4.something, so I'm unlikely to change...
[10:13] <FlannelKing> mla, I dont believe Hoary has php5
[10:13] <spermie_>  is there any movie editing / fake adobe premiere rip off for linux? i need something that can add special affects and all that kind of stuff
[10:13] <mla> I use http://people.debian.org/~dexter php5 on my debian sid, but it doesn't works with hoary wrong libc6 and apache version
[10:13] <Seveas> ...neither has breezy
[10:13] <Seveas> mla, are the sources available>
[10:14] <Seveas> ?
[10:14] <karsten> Seveas: tail -<n> is going to work long after you and I are dead, trust me on this.
[10:14] <ColonelKernel> spermie_, cinelerra is the shizzy
[10:14] <Seveas> karsten, yeah, but it'll generate that annoying warning :)
[10:14] <ColonelKernel> spermie_, you ought to change your name to MrBukkake, its more dignified.
[10:14] <Razor-X> plus, if something's deprecated, then it has ill circumstances when scripting
[10:15] <karsten> Seveas: Not here ;-)
[10:15] <FlannelKing> deprecated doesnt mean it has ill circumstances
[10:15] <Razor-X> FlannelKing: something is deprecated for a reason, generally
[10:15] <Razor-X> when scripting, that may mean memory hogging
[10:15] <mla> Seveas, the source of the php5 package ?
[10:15] <karsten> Seveas: tail version 5.2.1
[10:15] <Seveas> mla, yes
[10:15] <mla> yes
[10:15] <FlannelKing> yes, but not necessarily that it's bad, just something better has come along, or people have moved on to a 'different way of doing it'
[10:15] <Razor-X> same reason you don't add cat file > newfilename instead of cp file newfilename
[10:16] <glick> if i boot into the live distro how can i make all my harddrives writtable?
[10:16] <Razor-X> when scripting, rather
[10:16] <spermie_> ColonelKernel you dont like the spermster?
[10:16] <karsten> FlannelKing: It's usually an effort to try to push people to a different syntax.  There's scripts which have been running w/ 'tail -<n>' for decades now, and you'll break 'em all.
[10:16] <ColonelKernel> I dunno MrBukkake sounds like a Japanese businessman
[10:16] <ColonelKernel> Spermie or its variants are just kinda blunt
[10:16] <Razor-X> ColonelKernel: there are no Japanese sounds in it
[10:16] <mla> Seveas, I find a way to solve it
[10:17] <Razor-X> spermie_: some may consider it offending
[10:17] <Tarcastil> hey, what commands are called when someone uses sound? I'm tightening restrcitions on a user in visudo, but because of it, sound doesn't work
[10:17] <mla> I used it sid package, I'll try with woody or sarge pacakge
[10:17] <Seveas> Tarcastil, none
[10:17] <Seveas> Tarcastil, only /dev/dsp is opened
[10:17] <teleyinex> hi
[10:17] <teleyinex> someone is having problems with hal
[10:17] <Tarcastil> Seveas: ack, maybe it's something else, but sound works fine under root
[10:17] <glick> ?
[10:18] <Tarcastil> Seveas: but not as a user
[10:18] <Seveas> Tarcastil, root can do anything :)
[10:18] <Tarcastil> user
[10:18] <Seveas> Tarcastil, the user has to be in the audio group
[10:18] <teleyinex> sometimes my hoary has 46 process with this name 20-hal.hotplug
[10:18] <teleyinex> is this normal?
[10:18] <teleyinex> where could be the problem?
[10:18] <Tarcastil> Seveas: thanks
[10:18] <karsten> teleyinex: Dave Bowman was...
[10:18] <dade`> Seveas: that script is almose the same that uses warty live ?
[10:18] <spermie_> Razor-X do you find my nick offending?
[10:19] <Seveas> mla, http://people.debian.org/~dexter/dists/php5/php5-5.0.4-0.6.hoary.1/
[10:19] <Seveas> looks like there are hoary packages
[10:19] <mla> great
[10:19] <ColonelKernel>  im looking for whory packages myself
[10:19] <ColonelKernel> I havent gotten any in a while
[10:19] <Seveas> use php5 hoary in sources.list
[10:19] <Razor-X> spermie_: maybe
[10:20] <Tarcastil> Seveas: ah, I didn't realize usermod -G took the user out of groups I didn't specify. Thanks :)
[10:20] <Seveas> ColonelKernel, please watch your language...
[10:20] <ColonelKernel> would Whoary be better?
[10:20] <eliUbuntu> question, what is breezy?
[10:20] <eliUbuntu> is that the new ubuntu
[10:20] <Seveas> yes
[10:20] <Seveas> will be released in ovtober
[10:20] <eliUbuntu> hmmmm
[10:20] <Seveas> october even
[10:21] <eliUbuntu> how does it look?
[10:21] <mla> Seveas, thanks a lot
[10:21] <Seveas> unstable atm
[10:21] <eliUbuntu> :(
[10:21] <ColonelKernel> has anyone used ubuntu as a router?
[10:21] <karsten> *Real* software is never released.
[10:21] <karsten> It escapes.
[10:21] <ColonelKernel> centos is making a hell of a router so far
[10:21] <Amaranth> karsten: haha, i remember that saying
[10:21] <karsten> ColonelKernel: Yeah.  I kept finding the CD edges would chip when I was channeling dovetails though.
[10:22] <salapoliisi> karsten: so would you be able to tell me now what you had to say me 15min ago?
[10:22] <ColonelKernel> karsten, im not talking the livecd, but the installed version
[10:22] <eliUbuntu> have you tried to use it Seveas? the breezy version?
[10:22] <Tarcastil> Seveas: hmm, sound still isn't working as user
[10:22] <Seveas> eliUbuntu, not yet
[10:22] <karsten> salapoliisi: Where are you at?
[10:23] <Amaranth> Seveas: What changed?
[10:23] <ntoll> how long does it take for Debzilla to do the debian bug importing (see bug #12613 in ubuntu bugzilla for an example)?
[10:23] <Seveas> Tarcastil, what does lsof | grep /dev/dsp say?
[10:23] <karsten> salapoliisi: IIRC I'd asked you for clarification / status, never got a response.
[10:23] <ColonelKernel> karsten, crack rocks?
[10:23] <Tarcastil> Seveas: no output
[10:23] <salapoliisi> karsten: you said "sec..."
[10:23] <Seveas> Tarcastil, ah, probably your program needs esd, which is not started
[10:23] <Amaranth> Seveas: `lsof /dev/dsp` works too
[10:24] <Tarcastil> Seveas: I took out esd because it was messing stuff up
[10:24] <salapoliisi> karsten: i'll try to do this first without help and then ask you if it won't work, or if i get stuck
[10:24] <karsten> ColonelKernel: ubuntu ~= debian, particularly w/ Universe.  Yes, you can run it as a router.  It's not "designed" for that, specifically, but there's nothing hideous about setting it up for the task.
[10:24] <Tarcastil> Seveas: sound just stopped working for some reason
[10:24] <karsten> salapoliisi: Ah.  It was a long second....
[10:24] <Tarcastil> Seveas: it was working before without esd
[10:24] <ColonelKernel> karsten, right on
[10:24] <teleyinex> so noone knows about hal problems?
[10:24] <spermie_> ColonelKernel  cinelerra isnt a ubuntu package is it?
[10:24] <Seveas> Tarcastil, check the programs settings
[10:24] <ColonelKernel> I want a nice desktop system that is used as a router
[10:24] <karsten> salapoliisi: Ah.  I was going to look at that link.
[10:24] <Amaranth> ColonelKernel: Being a router just requires iptables
[10:24] <Seveas> it should use alsa as audio output
[10:24] <salapoliisi> karsten: :D
[10:25] <ColonelKernel> spermie_, I have no idea - but ill tell you this - cinelerra works on clusters
[10:25] <ColonelKernel> so you can use it in place of someting like AVID
[10:25] <Tarcastil> Seveas: the program was working before as a user without esd. I don't know why it's not working now
[10:25] <karsten> salapoliisi: Yeah, that looks like what you want to do.
[10:25] <salapoliisi> interesting that the install couldn't find dhcp, but other machine where i plugged that cable did work just fine
[10:25] <Seveas> Amaranth, /me too
[10:25] <karsten> salapoliisi: It's a different page from the one I'd pulled up first, wanted to confirm it.  Sorry for the delay.
[10:25] <Seveas> last post is april 17 :)
[10:25] <Amaranth> heh
[10:26] <Amaranth> june 23rd here
[10:26] <karsten> ColonelKernel: Meantime, I'm pretty sure you could set it up to do woodwork, and clear clogged drains, if you really thought about it....
[10:26] <Amaranth> Seveas: http://www.realistanew.com/desktop.png <--showing this off to everyone :)
[10:26] <ColonelKernel> karsten, thats what my father is for.
[10:27] <glick> this is all i could find relating to my problem
[10:27] <glick> http://www.netzwerk-aktiv.com/pub/doc/newsletters/linux1394-user/html/0581.html
[10:27] <Amaranth> I'm an op. Worship me. :)
[10:27] <abhayks> Amarnath: Nice desktop
[10:27] <karsten> ColonelKernel: ;-)
[10:29] <Amaranth> abhayks: thanks
[10:29] <spermie_> sudo dpkg -i cinelerra-1.2.2-1.i386.rpm
[10:29] <spermie_> dpkg: error processing cinelerra-1.2.2-1.i386.rpm (--install):
[10:29] <spermie_>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[10:29] <spermie_> Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:29] <spermie_>  cinelerra-1.2.2-1.i386.rpm
[10:29] <spermie_> whoops sorry
[10:29] <Seveas> spamalope, .....
[10:29] <salapoliisi> Seveas: so tell me about that routing now, what did you say yesterday
[10:29] <spermie_> didnt know it was that long =(
[10:29] <Seveas> spermie_, alien -i ....rpm
[10:29] <Seveas> dpkg is for debs
[10:30] <Seveas> salapoliisi, I said nothing about routing yesterday :)
[10:30] <spermie_> all alright
[10:31] <salapoliisi> Seveas: yes you did, im anacron, and i asked if im able to make my ubuntu as a router
[10:31] <siimo> what ever happen to grumpy groundhog what was going to start after hoary came out ? anyone know? the always rolling version ?
[10:31] <Seveas> salapoliisi, ah ok, must have slipped my mind then
[10:32] <Seveas> salapoliisi, if you mean a simple internet connection sharing, install firestarter
[10:32] <Seveas> it's a one-click solution
[10:32] <Seveas> otherwise: learn the details of iptables and do it manually :)
[10:33] <Caray> muy buenas
[10:33] <Seveas> ola Caray
[10:33] <porksword> got a quick question..... how do i change the background colour of my gnome menu(apps/places/system)??
[10:33] <salapoliisi> seveas, yeah you did tell about firestarter, but did you say there were some softwares so i could configure it by browser?
[10:33] <porksword> also the font colour?? thanx
[10:33] <Seveas> porksword, by changing the theme
[10:33] <Seveas> you might have to poke in the theme to change single colors
[10:34] <spermie_> Seveas so i would do this: sudo alien -i ~/Desktop/ cinelerra-1.2.2-1.i386.rpm
[10:34] <FlannelKing> porksword, system > preference > theme
[10:34] <djp> hi. trying to read a formatted floppy disk under hoary. i believe the disk has been formatted and had documents saved on it from an xp machine. however when i try and mount the disk i receive the following message, Mount Error, Unable to mount the selected volume, mount: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified. Can anyone advice what I need to do in order to access the disk?
[10:34] <Seveas> salapoliisi, well, i said i *thought* there were
[10:34] <Caray> hla Seveas hablas castellano??
[10:34] <salapoliisi> Seveas: okay :)
[10:34] <Seveas> Caray, yo no hablo espanol/castellano
[10:34] <Seveas> Caray, va en #ubuntu-es
[10:34] <Caray> :(
[10:34] <FlannelKing> djp, specify a filesystem mount type, probably fat32
[10:34] <salapoliisi> what's the difference between warty and hoary
[10:35] <Seveas> salapoliisi, a lot :)
[10:35] <Caray> ok I try ....
[10:35] <salapoliisi> is it okay to add warty sources?
[10:35] <eno> so if I use qtparted and make an empty partition, could I load another distro onto that and still load ubuntu through grub?
[10:35] <porksword> how bout the font colours??
[10:35] <Seveas> salapoliisi, it's useless :)
[10:35] <salapoliisi> Seveas: okay
[10:35] <Seveas> salapoliisi, all packages in warty are in hoary, but with newer versions
[10:35] <Seveas> eno, yes
[10:36] <hanasaki> is there a web interface to search the package lists of ubuntu?
[10:36] <djp> FlannelKing: thanks. so i should use the command line then? i only tried to mount the disk by right clicking under Places/Computer and going to mount volume by right clicking...
[10:36] <Seveas> hanasaki, pacages.ubuntu.com
[10:36] <hanasaki> hmm no link form http://www.ubuntulinux.org/
[10:36] <hanasaki> bummer
[10:36] <eno> how easy would it be to screw up?  (I don't want to lose ubuntu)
[10:36] <salapoliisi> seveas, so warty has newer software, but it might be unstable?
[10:37] <FlannelKing> djp, I would try that yes.  It probably can't autodetermine the drive type (which is unusual, do you know what format the floppy is currently in?)
[10:37] <Seveas> salapoliisi, no, hoary has newer software
[10:37] <Seveas> and both warty and hoary are stable
[10:37] <ColonelKernel> what are warty and hoary
[10:37] <Seveas> ColonelKernel, versions of ubuntu
[10:37] <FlannelKing> warty is the older version of ubuntu (4.10)
[10:37] <djp> FlannelKing: no. it is my partners disk that she wants me to use to help her with a report she is doing for her work place
[10:37] <karsten> ColonelKernel: Ubuntu releases.
[10:37] <Seveas> warty was the first, hoary is the latest versio
[10:37] <Caray> Seveas I'm running Ubuntu-live and I need to know partition table of my hd
[10:37] <ColonelKernel> FlannelKing, thanks
[10:38] <Seveas> Caray, sudo fdisk -l
[10:38] <Caray> thanks a lot
[10:38] <ColonelKernel> thats what I meant - what releases they were referring to
[10:38] <FlannelKing> djp, yeah, try at the command line, that way it doesnt have to auto determine (although all disks should be labeled, which is why its odd)
[10:38] <Seveas> salapoliisi, there is webmin-shorewall and webmin-firewall, these are web-based firewall administration things
[10:39] <Computer__Guru> anybody have any idea why transcode isnt available?
[10:39] <ColonelKernel> firestarter rules
[10:39] <Seveas> Computer__Guru, it's in hoary-extras (from the backports repository)
[10:39] <salapoliisi> Seveas: but do they work in ubuntu, or are they other distros?
[10:40] <Seveas> salapoliisi, they are Ubuntu packages :)
[10:40] <Computer__Guru> you got the sources.list lines for hoary-extras? or is it simply http://archives.ubuntu.com/ hoary-extras?
[10:40] <Seveas> Computer__Guru: To find out the location of backports, go to backports.ubuntuforums.org/url.php
[10:40] <hanasaki> packages.ubuntu.com says gaim is on 1.1.4   i have 1.1.3 and apt-get upgrade says 1.1.3 is the newest
[10:40] <julz> hi, im thinking of  getting ubuntu because mandrake/mandrive has stuffed up twioce. is ubuntu still good for development purposes? i mainly want to just learn and experimtnt with C for iPodLinux.
[10:40] <salapoliisi> Seveas: but isn't there distro from shorewall or something like that?
[10:40] <hanasaki> packages.ubuntu.com says gaim is on 1.1.4   i have 1.1.3 and apt-get upgrade says 1.1.3 is the newest how do i ge tto 1.1.4
[10:40] <Computer__Guru> ty
[10:40] <Seveas> hanasaki, for hoary 1.1.3 is the lates
[10:40] <eno> I think I will go for it and to HELL with the consequences ;)
[10:40] <bob2> julz: sure, but any distro will be fine for that sort of thing
[10:41] <ColonelKernel> salapoliisi, you might want to give firestarter a try too
[10:41] <Seveas> salapoliisi, might be, but the software is available for Ubuntu
[10:41] <hanasaki> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=gaim&searchon=names&subword=1&version=hoary&release=all
[10:41] <hanasaki> Seveas:  that says 1.1.4
[10:41] <julz> nice, thanks a lot
[10:41] <Seveas> salapoliisi, nevetr tried shorewall myself though
[10:41] <julz> :)
[10:41] <salapoliisi> Seveas: okay, i try those if im not satisfied with firestarter
[10:41] <salapoliisi> ColonelKernel: yeah sure i'll try that
[10:42] <Seveas> hanasaki, can you paste your sources.list on a pastebin please
[10:42] <FlannelKing> Computer__Guru, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories has info on backports and extras
[10:42] <hanasaki> Seveas:  sure.. what / where is a pastebin
[10:42] <Madpilot> !pastebin
[10:42] <ubotu> rumour has it, pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[10:42] <Caray> I try to retore Grub .... :(
[10:42] <hanasaki> Seveas:  i am in #flood pls join me
[10:43] <Seveas> Caray, wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringGrubAfterInstallingWindows has info you might like
[10:43] <Caray> thks again !!!
[10:43] <salapoliisi> hmm okay now i got problems "mount -o loop /boot/initrd.img-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-powerpc /mnt/initrd" i can't remember what is my version
[10:44] <salapoliisi> it's x386 but what are those numbers
[10:44] <leroj> what do i do with a .run file?
[10:44] <leroj> i'm trying to install AA
[10:44] <Computer__Guru> Seveas: so deb http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu-backports/dists/hoary-extras main multiverse universe
[10:44] <Computer__Guru> that right?
[10:45] <Seveas> Computer__Guru, no
[10:45] <Seveas> http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu-backports/ hoary-extras main etc...
[10:46] <Sherei> hi everyone...
[10:46] <Computer__Guru> ah
[10:46] <salapoliisi> ahh
[10:46] <salapoliisi> :D
[10:46] <salapoliisi> thank you autocompile
[10:47] <Sherei> I am very new to ubuntu and well linux alltoger...  I was using Mandrake and someone told me to uce Ubuntu..  But i have some questions.....
[10:47] <djp> FlannelKing: what do i need to type at the bash prompt? i typed file -s /dev/fd0 and it returned the following, /dev/fd0: x86 boot sector, code offset 0x34, OEM-ID "IBM  3.3", root entries 224, sectors 2880 (volumes <=32 MB) , sectors/FAT 9, dos < 4.0 BootSector (0x0)
[10:47] <Seveas> Sherei, welcome aboard! Ask all you want
[10:47] <Computer__Guru> do i want bleeding as well?
[10:48] <Sherei> I need to have libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) installed but only have 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 installed   How can I upgrade?
[10:48] <leroj> what do i do with a .run file?
[10:49] <Seveas> Computer__Guru, no :)
[10:49] <Seveas> Sherei, you should NOT upgrade that
[10:49] <Computer__Guru> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[10:49] <Computer__Guru>   transcode: Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.0-7) but 1:4.0-0pre6ubuntu7 is to be installed
[10:49] <Computer__Guru> that sucks
[10:49] <Computer__Guru> why me
[10:49] <Seveas> instead: don't use debian packages on hoary, use ubuntu packages
[10:49] <Seveas> Computer__Guru, you need hoary-backports too
[10:49] <Seveas> the newer libgcc1 is in there
[10:49] <se7enone> I am extremely new to ubuntu! can someone help me with a couple of questions?
[10:49] <paines> hi
[10:50] <Amaranth> Anyone here using breezy, _DO NOT_ get xorg -35.
[10:50] <action09> se7enone ask it :)
[10:50] <abhayks> I am on Breezy
[10:50] <salapoliisi> karsten: now i got stuck, while doing "mount -o loop /boot/initrd.img-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-powerpc /mnt/initrd" (not really powerpc, i changed that) it says that there aren't any free loop devices
[10:50] <pepsix> Amaranth, ? im completely updated
[10:50] <Sherei> Ok Seveas...thanx..  but the program I am installing requires it.. any thoughts?
[10:50] <paines> isn't there a bugs page for ubuntu ?
[10:50] <paines> can't find it
[10:50] <se7enone> how do i install applications such as xmms if i don't have a net connection?
[10:51] <Seveas> Sherei, which program?
[10:51] <Amaranth> pepsix: It hasn't hit the mirrors yet.
[10:51] <pepsix> oh fun ;D
[10:51] <Amaranth> pepsix: Don't upgrade when it does though.
[10:51] <Seveas> se7enone, you can download them via http://packages.ubuntu.com and put them on a usb-stick oslt
[10:51] <pepsix> ok
[10:51] <karsten> se7enone: Install it from disk or CD.
[10:51] <Sherei> ummm.. it is called showeq
[10:51] <Seveas> paines, bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[10:51] <Computer__Guru> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[10:51] <Computer__Guru>   libgcc1 libpostproc0 libavcodeccvs transcode transcode-doc
[10:51] <Computer__Guru> Install these packages without verification [y/N] ?
[10:51] <Computer__Guru> ok?
[10:51] <paines> Seveas: thanks
[10:51] <Seveas> paines, and launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone
[10:51] <Seveas> Computer__Guru, yes
[10:51] <Computer__Guru> cool
[10:52] <karsten> se7enone: There's tools such as apt-zip which allow you to install via transfer media (Zip drive, USB drive, CD, etc) if necessary
[10:52] <se7enone> from then is is fairly simple to install on the pc at home? do i use synaptic or is there another way?
[10:52] <Computer__Guru> wtf are backports, anyways?
[10:52] <Prof_Frink> se7enone: dpkg
[10:52] <Amaranth> Computer__Guru: Things from breezy built for hoary.
[10:52] <spanglesontoast> anyone know if the gparted problem is going to be fixed?
[10:52] <Computer__Guru> breezy is the next big thing, right?
[10:52] <Amaranth> yeah
[10:52] <se7enone> can i get apt-zip from the same place or will that already be included in the hoary release?
[10:52] <Seveas> Computer__Guru, yes
[10:53] <abhayks> Computer_Guru Breezy is the next ubuntu release
[10:53] <Computer__Guru> okay, so backports is like tomorrows packages for todays system
[10:53] <Computer__Guru> cool
[10:53] <Computer__Guru> i like
[10:53] <Seveas> :)
[10:53] <salapoliisi> karsten: can you give me the directory, i can't find anything at cdrom or media/cdrom etc
[10:53] <Computer__Guru> now EVERY program k3b wants is there :D
[10:53] <petros> hi!
[10:53] <djp> FlannelKing: sudo mount-t vfat /dev/fd0, command not found
[10:54] <karsten> salapoliisi: Sorry, directory for what?
[10:54] <djp> FlannelKing: sudo mount-t msdos /dev/fd0, command not found
[10:54] <Computer__Guru> k3b will by default burn mp3's as an audio cd, right?
[10:54] <petros> im trying to get my cardreader on my samsung notebook running...
[10:54] <Seveas> djp, mount -t
[10:54] <petros> has anyone experience with that?
[10:54] <salapoliisi> karsten: how can i do that from cd?
[10:54] <abhayks> djp:  sudo mount -y
[10:54] <Seveas> watch the space
[10:54] <se7enone> can i get apt-zip from the same place or will that already be included in the hoary release?
[10:54] <abhayks> mount -t i mean
[10:54] <paines> anyone doing lisp and emacs ? I just installed common-lisp-compiler and clisp on ubuntu and ever since then emacs is crashing
[10:54] <abhayks> there is a gap between mount and " -t"
[10:54] <karsten> salapoliisi: do *what*?
[10:55] <Seveas> se7enone, apt-zip can be downloaded from the repositories
[10:55] <salapoliisi> karsten: you said "install from the cd"
[10:55] <se7enone> thanks guys
[10:55] <salapoliisi> karsten: when i told you about the error
[10:55] <Tarcastil> Seveas: just wanted to let you know I got it working now. Thanks again
[10:55] <karsten> salapoliisi: Ah... Missed a comment.  And I think that was a mangling, I meant se7enone
[10:56] <karsten> salapoliisi: ls /dev/loop*
[10:56] <karsten> salapoliisi: ...how many of 'em are there?
[10:56] <karsten> salapoliisi: IIRC there's 4 or 8 by default, install disk may differ.
[10:56] <Sherei> Seveas you must have missed it....  program is called showeq  several other files need upgrading also,  Libgcc1 and libqt3c102-mt
[10:56] <salapoliisi> karsten: it says 0
[10:56] <leroj> what will come after breezy?
[10:56] <djp> Seveas: how do i view the files on the disk. i typed sudo mount -t /dev/hdo and it returned me to the bash prompt
[10:57] <salapoliisi> leroj: i think we'd have to ged breezy working before we can think about that, or it would be same that microsoft does
[10:57] <Seveas> Sherei, hmm, try to get the sources for the package and use dpkg-buildpackage
[10:58] <Sherei> Ok thanx....
[10:58] <Seveas> djp, you should specify the dir to mount it in (unless it's in /etc/fstab)
[10:58] <Computer__Guru> is there a program that authors dvd's from mpegs and avis and divx and such? something like nerovision express?
[10:58] <Seveas> leroj, ask sabdfl, he invents the names :)
[10:58] <calamari> is there a way to rescan for disk devices, such as /dev/hda1, without rebooting?
[10:59] <Seveas> calamari, re-scan?
[10:59] <calamari> seveas: discover.. find.. I dunno the right word for it:)
[10:59] <karsten> salapoliisi: 'makedev /dev/loop0 c 7 0
[10:59] <pepsix> hrm
[10:59] <salapoliisi> i got headache from this install, why doesn't it work like last time >:(
[10:59] <londonboi2k3> hi guys, i have a md5 mismatch while trying to install libsqlite0-dev_2.8.15-3_i386.deb is there anyway to force apt to download it regardless?
[10:59] <karsten> salapoliisi: ...I think.  Should create a loop0 device.  1-8 are same with last number as 1-8 respectively.
[10:59] <pepsix> why was grumpy changed to breezy?
[11:00] <karsten> londonboi2k3: Delete the locally cached copy.
[11:00] <bob2> leroj: it hasn't been decided yet
[11:00] <Seveas> calamari, what are you trying to accomplish?
[11:00] <karsten> londonboi2k3: It's in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[11:00] <bob2> pepsix: grumpy is now something else
[11:00] <londonboi2k3> ahh ok thanks
[11:00] <salapoliisi> karsten: makedev command not found
[11:00] <leroj> bob2, ok
[11:00] <Seveas> londonboi2k3, look at the topic too
[11:00] <bob2> leroj: forcing it won't help at all.  if you're using us.archive.ubuntu.com, it's broken; use archive.ubuntu.com instead.
[11:01] <calamari> seveas: trying to get /dev/hda1 to work (bad hard drive).. right now I get "cat: /dev/hda1: No such device or address"
[11:01] <pepsix> bob2 meant londonboi2k3
[11:01] <djp> Seveas: it is in etc/fstab
[11:01] <Computer__Guru> is there a program that authors dvd's from mpegs and avis and divx and such? something like nerovision express?
[11:01] <Seveas> calamari, sudo fdisk -l
[11:01] <karsten> salapoliisi: My bad,  Uppercase:  MAKEDEV
[11:01] <bob2> er, right
[11:01] <eno> hi I feel like installing a new OS.  if I install another version of linux, can it use the same swap space?
[11:01] <bob2> sorry, leroj
[11:01] <djp> if i change to that directory /media/floppy0, nothing is listed when i use the ls command
[11:01] <bob2> eno: yes
[11:01] <calamari> seveas: running
[11:01] <Seveas> eno, yes, unless you are hibernating one and then booting the other
[11:02] <calamari> seems to be trying to do something with the drive, although it may be a while :)
[11:02] <eno> no, that is too complicated for me I think
[11:02] <londonboi2k3> ok, I still can't download libsqlite0-dev its still saying md5 mismatch
[11:02] <londonboi2k3> i cleaned the cache aswell
[11:02] <Seveas> londonboi2k3, look at the topic...
[11:02] <leroj> what do i do with a .run?
[11:02] <Computer__Guru> anyone?
[11:02] <Seveas> leroj, run it :)
[11:02] <hanasaki> anyone know the target date for postgres8 in unbuntu?
[11:02] <Computer__Guru> it's a simple question
[11:03] <leroj> Seveas, how?
[11:03] <abhayks> regarding hibernating-- on hoary My thinkpad used to hibernate perfectly well. Now It hangs somewhere in between
[11:03] <Seveas> hanasaki, it's there already
[11:03] <londonboi2k3> i have looked at the topic, nothing there sayiong anything about libsqlite
[11:03] <karsten> leroj: 'file foo.run'.  What kind of file is it?
[11:03] <Seveas> londonboi2k3, no the us.archive bit
[11:03] <pepsix> bob2, so whats grumpy now?
[11:03] <djp> if i change to that directory /media/floppy0, nothing is listed when i use the ls command Seveas
[11:03] <karsten> leroj: 'man file' for more info.
[11:03] <bob2> pepsix: wait and see :)
[11:03] <hanasaki> Seveas:  dam.. where?
[11:03] <salapoliisi> karsten: heh, okay now it says that "/sbin/MAKEDEV can't read proc/devices and don't know how to make device loop0
[11:03] <Seveas> hanasaki, breezy :)
[11:03] <hanasaki> Seveas:  you see my paste in flood?
[11:03] <karsten> djp: Mount your floppy
[11:03] <Seveas> it will never hit hoary
[11:03] <pepsix> breezy threw off the whole qualities-of-a-bad-date naming convention
[11:03] <leroj> it's the america's army installer-thingy
[11:03] <londonboi2k3> oh, well can i change us. to uk.?
[11:03] <hanasaki> Seveas: i need to pass then till breezy goes stable? which is when?
[11:04] <karsten> salapoliisi: mount /proc
[11:04] <abhayks> on shutdown -- it stops after "Stopping LWN Volume manager"
[11:04] <karsten> salapoliisi: I'm about to crash hard.  Bug bob2 or ask channel for further support, OK?
[11:04] <bob2> karsten: 'night
[11:04] <Computer__Guru> does ANYONE know of a program similar to NEROVision eXpress for linux? A program that will let me add mpegs or avis or divx files, and will transcode them to dvd and build menus n such?
[11:04] <pepsix> londonboi2k3, just remove the us.
[11:04] <bob2> londonboi2k3: just archive.ubuntu.com
[11:04] <Seveas> hanasaki, it's due out in october and starting to freeze already so it will gradually stabilize
[11:04] <leroj> ooh
[11:04] <salapoliisi> karsten: i'll try
[11:04] <leroj> i have to go :&
[11:04] <leroj> bye
[11:04] <karsten> bob2: 'night.
[11:04] <pepsix> oh.. hes asking cause he resides in .uk :)
[11:04] <salapoliisi> karsten: thank's for help at this point
[11:04] <karsten> salapoliisi: NP
[11:05] <bob2> yes, but uk.archive = archive
[11:05] <djp> karsten: mount /dev/fd0 returns, mount: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified
[11:05] <hanasaki> Seveas:  good.. i may look at the bugs and just goto it then.  any list of major updates between the hjoary/breezy?
[11:05] <target> linux sucks and will never replace windows or osx
[11:05] <Seveas> hanasaki, a lot
[11:05] <salapoliisi> bob2: hello there :) karsten told to ask you
[11:05] <Seveas> hanasaki, and currently it's unusable
[11:05] <ColonelKernel> target, then why are you here?
[11:05] <abhayks> target:: thanks for the information.  How will I know if they are already on my system and how do I set them up if not. Also, without an internet connection, how do install from the repositories. or should i go read a book...
[11:06] <salapoliisi> bob2: i think so
[11:06] <bob2> salapoliisi: what does "uname -r" print?
[11:06] <Seveas> se7enone, dkpg -l can tell you
[11:06] <eno> thanks
[11:06] <abhayks> any idea about clean Shutdown in Breezy
[11:06] <Computer__Guru> seveas, did you see my question?
[11:06] <Seveas> bob2, too much honour for a simple troll :)
[11:07] <FlannelKing> se7enone, do you have your ubuntu hoary cd?
[11:07] <ColonelKernel> i wanted to hear his answer
[11:07] <djp> karsten: how?
[11:07] <salapoliisi> bob2: 2.6.10-5-386
[11:07] <Seveas> Computer__Guru, yes but I have no answer
[11:07] <pepsix> abhayks, why cant you shutdown?
[11:07] <se7enone> sorry, i'm very new to the linux system. haven't got a clue what you mean. do i run that command from the terminal
[11:07] <bob2> abhayks: I assume you check the bts, and that you're using a default kernel, etc?
[11:07] <ColonelKernel> why he was here using ubuntu if he hated it so much
[11:07] <Computer__Guru> ah
[11:07] <se7enone> yes got the cd
[11:07] <bob2> salapoliisi: then "sudo modprobe loop" should be plenty
[11:07] <Computer__Guru> then i take it there is no such creature :( that's both surprising and a shame
[11:07] <salapoliisi> bob2: but i think i should tell you about my situation before you can help me :D
[11:07] <Seveas> Computer__Guru, that's not what I said
[11:07] <FlannelKing> se7enone, you can use the CD to get some stuff, when youre offline, however its obviously limited to what will fit on a CD
[11:08] <Seveas> Computer__Guru, I just never used such a program so I cannot tell :)
[11:08] <abhayks> bob2: uname -a
[11:08] <Computer__Guru> I know, but if you don't know of it, I doubt it exists
[11:08] <abhayks> Linux abhayks 2.6.12-2-686 #1 Wed Jun 22 16:29:50 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:08] <se7enone> you reckon apt-zip sould be on the cd i downloaded?
[11:08] <Seveas> Computer__Guru, hehe, there exists zillions of programs I don't know :)
[11:08] <Computer__Guru> uname -a:
[11:08] <Computer__Guru> Linux psilocybin 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:12:40 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:08] <FlannelKing> se7enone, do you have internet on it at all?
[11:08] <bob2> can we not all paste that please?
[11:08] <se7enone> i can connect if i have to
[11:09] <FlannelKing> no, apt-zip will not be on that CD, its in universe
[11:09] <rasputnik> in gnome-term, I can right-click->open a url to open in firefox. Can I set it to do that on a simple click?
[11:09] <salapoliisi> bob2: the problem was that when i took my mini-itx computer at work, it didn't start, and said something about kernel panic, it didn't find the disk's or something like that, and now im doing this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=42546&postcount=14
[11:09] <Madpilot> odd... isn't "Lock Screen" supposed to kick in right away?
[11:09] <Seveas> Madpilot, it is...
[11:09] <Madpilot> OK, mine isn't.
[11:09] <FlannelKing> se7enone, however, you can just download it and sneakernet to the machine, and then install it
[11:09] <djp> karsten: sudo mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 horray! sorry guys. i finally got my brain in to gear
[11:10] <djp> thanks all
[11:10] <abhayks> one more thing -- How do I install pystatgrab on breezy ?
[11:10] <pepsix> abhayks, by breaking other stuff :D thats how it always goes
[11:11] <rasputnik> any sign of a new firefox? 1.0.5 out this morning, fixes loads of nasty bugs
[11:11] <Madpilot> nope, still no Lock Screen. WTH?
[11:11] <bob2> salapoliisi: so why are you messing with loop devices?
[11:11] <calamari> seveas: fdisk -l has finally completed, but generated no output
[11:11] <abhayks> pepsix: there has to be a clean way
[11:11] <Seveas> calamari, :|
[11:12] <gyaresu> Madpilot, I had that. reboot fixed it. hasn't happened again.
[11:12] <Seveas> fdisk -l should take just a few seconds
[11:12] <Seveas> if it takes longer, your drives are seriously b0rken
[11:12] <salapoliisi> bob2: the guide says so :/
[11:12] <Madpilot> gyaresu: drat, i was doing so well. this machine has been up since Thursday last week... :)
[11:12] <bob2> yay forums
[11:12] <bob2> it's your birthday
[11:12] <gyaresu> Madpilot,  :)
[11:12] <calamari> seveas: yeah it is.. I've been doing data recovery on it.. maybe i've done as much as I could :)
[11:12] <salapoliisi> bob2: so im just stupid machine witch tryes to follow commands that are given
[11:13] <Seveas> sounds like it calamari
[11:13] <Madpilot> ah well. time to sleep, anyway. good night/morning/whatever, everyone
[11:13] <bob2> salapoliisi: what led you to think you need to play with your initrd?
[11:13] <hanasaki> trying to install flashplugin-nonfree  and i got /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/uri/common.rb:432:in `split': bad URI(is not URI?): http://proxy_http:8080 (URI::InvalidURIError)
[11:13] <hanasaki>         from /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/uri/common.rb:481:in `parse'
[11:14] <hanasaki> i am behind a squid proxy
[11:14] <salapoliisi> bob2: karsten gave me a link how to fix that kernel panic problem, and now im following it, but it won't work
[11:14] <bob2> hanasaki: try adding a final slash
[11:14] <hanasaki> hmm ok
[11:14] <hanasaki> wont break other stuff?
[11:15] <Sonderblade> when i use synaptic to install some packages it asks me to insert the ubuntu cd-rom but i want to download them from the internet
[11:15] <gyaresu> Sonderblade, if you've apt-get update'd then they will be the latest ones.
[11:15] <deFrysk> Sonderblade, put a commnent in the cd line of your sources.list
[11:15] <bob2> Sonderblade: so, configure apt to not use the cd.  if you're using synaptic, use the repository manager thing to not use the cd
[11:16] <bob2> Sonderblade: otherwise, comment it out in /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:16] <FlannelKing> Sonderblade, you have to enable the repositories
[11:16] <gyaresu> Sonderblade, you can co.... do what deFrysk said :)
[11:16] <bob2> salapoliisi: I'm not really sure how that forum post is supposed to help
[11:16] <deFrysk> gyaresu, bleh ;p
[11:17] <deFrysk> Sonderblade, 5 answers in 3 secs, what more do you want ?
[11:17] <salapoliisi> bob2: so do you have any advice then what to do?
[11:17] <bob2> banning the nick would be plenty
[11:17] <Seveas> bob2, it's a dynamic ip
[11:17] <bob2> I'm just lazy and hoping they stop
[11:17] <Seveas> and he changes ident constantly
[11:18] <bob2> salapoliisi: did you find out what happened to the disk yet?
[11:18] <hanasaki> bob2:  where does that proxy get picked up from? i tried settng the evn var   http_proxy=  but the old value is still used
[11:19] <bob2> no idea
[11:19] <Sonderblade> very good :) but isn't there a way to do it by point and clicking?
[11:19] <salapoliisi> bob2: since i have installed ubuntu at this machine once, and it worked just fine, but now i got all weird problems
[11:19] <bob2> setting it will only help if apt is run under that, tho
[11:20] <bob2> salapoliisi: it just sounds like your disk is screwed
[11:20] <bob2> Sonderblade: 19:15:54 @         bob2 | Sonderblade: so, configure apt to not use the cd.  if you're using synaptic, use the repository manager thing to not use the cd
[11:21] <se7enone> once .deb files are downloaded onto memory stick and taken home to my ubuntu machine, where do i copy the files to and what is the syntax for apt-get?
[11:21] <bob2> it's not that simple
[11:22] <se7enone> i wish it was
[11:22] <gyaresu> se7enone, put them anywhere and then 'dpkg -i thing.deb'
[11:22] <bob2> well, it's pretty simple
[11:22] <bob2> but not that simple
[11:22] <se7enone> i got too much microsoft in my brain for this stuff
[11:22] <bob2> drop them on your disk somewhere
[11:22] <salapoliisi> bob2: i don't think that's the problem, debian worked just fine yesterday(and the other 29days before that :D) and then i installed ubuntu, it booted up nice i could see deskop and all, then i shut it down, and at the morning i took ide-cdrom off, and took the machine here, and then it didn't start
[11:23] <bob2> and run "dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null > Packages", then add a line to /etc/apt/sources.list (at the top) like this: "deb file:///path/to/the/dir/ ./"
[11:23] <bob2> salapoliisi: ok
[11:23] <bob2> nevermind then
[11:24] <salapoliisi> bob2: so you don't have any ideas?
[11:24] <gyaresu> salapoliisi, can you get into 'recovery mode'
[11:24] <mattb__> hello
[11:24] <salapoliisi> gyaresu: boot from cd and then type rescue?
[11:25] <Sonderblade> bob2, oh there i didn't see it first
[11:25] <bob2> salapoliisi: I don't think you've said what the first problem was yet
[11:25] <mattb__> where would I go to ask about python enviroment variable problems with ubuntu
[11:25] <gyaresu> salapoliisi, nah. can you boot the machine to grub(?)
[11:25] <Seveas> mattb__, here
[11:25] <Seveas> or #python
[11:25] <Seveas> but if it's ubuntu related, try here first :)
[11:25] <mattb__> its actuall to do with smeg...
[11:25] <bob2> no, here, since I doubt very very much you've found a python problem
[11:25] <bob2> then ask Amaranth
[11:26] <mattb__> but I have noticed python problems with all py programs
[11:26] <Amaranth> hi
[11:26] <salapoliisi> gyaresu: i don't know anymore at this point, let's see what happens if i reboot
[11:26] <bob2> mattb__: for example?
[11:26] <Computer__Guru> Seveas: kmediafactory does the job, except it doesn't transcode the files to MPEG2 for you.. but there are plenty of apps with nice frontends that will do that for you...
[11:26] <salapoliisi> gyaresu: but it did boot to grub then, yes
[11:26] <gyaresu> salapoliisi, kernel panic is usually cause the partition isn't mounted. IMO.
[11:26] <Seveas> Computer__Guru, thnx for the info
[11:26] <mattb__> simply I get ImportError: No module named os
[11:27] <Seveas> mattb__, :|
[11:27] <khurtiz2> !mod
[11:27] <ubotu> I don't know, khurtiz2
[11:27] <Seveas> that's... odd
[11:27] <bob2> mattb__: sudo apt-get --reinstall install python2.4
[11:27] <gyaresu> salapoliisi, choose your kernel versions 'recovery mode'
[11:27] <mattb__> actually the whole message is....
[11:27] <mattb__> 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback
[11:27] <mattb__> Traceback (most recent call last):
[11:27] <mattb__>   File "/usr/bin/smeg", line 23, in ?
[11:27] <mattb__>     import os, sys, pickle, cgi
[11:27] <mattb__> ImportError: No module named os
[11:27] <Amaranth> o_O
[11:28] <mattb__> sorry for all the room
[11:28] <khurtiz2> !packages
[11:28] <ubotu> it has been said that packages is http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[11:28] <Seveas> mattb__, please don't paste in her...
[11:28] <Amaranth> how did you break python so bad?
[11:28] <gyaresu> mattb__, don't paste here.
[11:28] <Seveas> here*
[11:28] <bob2> khurtiz2: you can talk to the bot in /msg
[11:28] <mattb__> sorry
[11:28] <Seveas> mattb__, have you manually deleted python files/folders?
[11:28] <salapoliisi> gyaresu: let's not hurry, i just installed ubuntu again while ago, now it seems to start, but if i reboot after that, will it start again?
[11:28] <gyaresu> mattb__, s'aight :)
[11:28] <mattb__> no manual deleting
[11:29] <gyaresu> salapoliisi, 0_o ???
[11:29] <gyaresu> salapoliisi, more verbosity please :)
[11:29] <Seveas> mattb__, can you put the output of dpkg -l '*python*' on the pastebin
[11:30] <salapoliisi> gyaresu: well just wait, let's see what it says now
[11:30] <salapoliisi> gyaresu: my original problem might be gone
[11:30] <moko> hi folks
[11:30] <mattb__> paste bin??
[11:30] <acid2> rafb.net/paste
[11:30] <bob2> just paste it to #flood
[11:31] <gyaresu> mattb__, paste.ubuntulinux.nl/
[11:31] <lesshaste> is it possible to configure to use other search engines than google?
[11:31] <lesshaste> configure firefox!
[11:32] <bob2> lesshaste: sure, click on the google logo next to the search box
[11:32] <Alfred1881> hey all i need a prog to cut a soundtrack from a movie (VCD) , please help me
[11:32] <mattb__> I have pasted to #flood
[11:33] <gyaresu> Alfred1881, Demultiplexing eh? sorry. nope.
[11:33] <moko> could someone help me with a little audio prob? xmms starts but can't hear anything
[11:33] <bob2> mattb__: sudo aptitude install python
[11:33] <moko> and other players do work perfectly
[11:33] <bob2> for a stater
[11:33] <bob2> moko: configure it to use the esound output plugin
[11:33] <gyaresu> moko, have you changed the output in xmms prefs?
[11:33] <moko> yes tried oss and alsa
[11:33] <moko> have nvidia nforce
[11:33] <bob2> moko: no, tell it to use esound
[11:34] <lesshaste> bob2, !!! So simple :)
[11:34] <moko> esound?
[11:34] <moko> could you explain me please?
[11:34] <lesshaste> bob2, now I just want to make it choose one at random
[11:34] <bob2> moko: go to the list of output plugins.  select the esound one.
[11:34] <bob2> or explain which part of the answer was unclear...
[11:34] <se7enone> bob2: so i don't need to use apt-get to install the app?
[11:34] <moko> ah oki just trying...
[11:34] <bob2> se7enone: I don't know what you're refering to
[11:34] <mattb__> bob2 I have ran the command what does it do?
[11:34] <moko> wow
[11:34] <moko> it works
[11:34] <Alfred1881> hey all i need a prog to cut a audiosample from a movie (VCD) , please help me
[11:34] <se7enone> .deb downloads on memory stick... sorry
[11:35] <moko> thank you very much!!!!
[11:35] <bob2> Alfred1881: kino, presumably
[11:35] <gyaresu> moko, 'cat /proc/asound/cards
[11:35] <Seveas> mattb__, if that is all, you have a serious python problem
[11:35] <Seveas> you should not have removed all these packages
[11:35] <bob2> se7enone: no, you should have dpkg-scanpackages already
[11:35] <Tuxist> hi
[11:35] <se7enone> oki
[11:35] <gyaresu> moko, ignore me. congrats.
[11:36] <mattb__> Seveas, are you refering to the output in #flood?
[11:36] <moko> yeah I thought I was supposed to use output source nvidia
[11:36] <moko> as soundcard is that
[11:36] <bob2> no
[11:37] <moko> ehm,other question,'bout xchat, there's a server I reach using chatzilla, but not with xchat
[11:37] <moko> it says it don't exist
[11:38] <mattb__> whereis python prints.......in #flood
[11:38] <moko> when tryin to connect
[11:38] <hussam> moko: what is the server?
[11:38] <bob2> mattb__: when did you remove a bunch of python packages?
[11:38] <moko> server is chat.adunanza.net
[11:39] <moko> I just write /server command
[11:39] <eno> can I resize my primary linux partition?
[11:39] <salapoliisi> bob2: nothing to worry, it seems to work now, when i installed it in server mode, but is it ubuntu-deskop, what i have to download now to get X and other stuff?
[11:39] <bob2> salapoliisi: ubuntu-desktop
[11:39] <Seveas> mattb__, yes i was refering to that
[11:40] <salapoliisi> bob2: okay thanks
[11:41] <gyaresu> eno, yes with qtparted is the easiest, but you run the risk of killing the whole partition structure.
[11:41] <hussam> moko: could it be irc.chat.adunanza.net or irc.adunanza.net ?
[11:41] <mattb__> bob2 I was not aware that I had. Synaptic says I have pythoon2.4 installed
[11:41] <moko> uhm, if I use chatzilla I just write irc://chat.adunanza.net on the browser
[11:41] <moko> and it works
[11:42] <moko> so I thinjk it's chat.adunana.net
[11:43] <hussam> moko: doesn't work here as well, i'll try in konversation
[11:43] <hussam> moko: it won't work in xchat here as well
[11:43] <moko> ok
[11:44] <moko> maybe I 'll try to ask to adunanza admin
[11:45] <siimo> hussam, i think its irc.chat.adunanza.net  cos you can ping it but not without the irc
[11:45] <hussam> in konversation, I get connecting....
[11:46] <hussam> then I get a connection refused error.
[11:46] <siimo> hussam, same here
[11:46] <siimo> both wont work
[11:47] <sexcopter8000m> hi, every time i boot ubuntu, at some point soon after logging in something accesses both my hard drives solidly for a few seconds. is this normal? Is it some kind of indexing for searching?
[11:47] <bob2> updatedb will run from anacron if you reboot your computer often
[11:47] <hussam> the person who asked "moko" is gone anyway,