[07:25] <fabbione> @schedule Rome
[07:25] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 12 Oct 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Oct 14:00: Community Council | 17 Oct 17:00: LoCo | 18 Oct 14:00: Edubuntu | 20 Oct 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 24 Oct 22:00: Technical Board
[09:39] <GNAM> @schedule orme
[09:39] <GNAM> @schedule rome
[09:39] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 12 Oct 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Oct 14:00: Community Council | 17 Oct 17:00: LoCo | 18 Oct 14:00: Edubuntu | 20 Oct 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 24 Oct 22:00: Technical Board
[01:58] <the> yp
[01:58] <the> yo*
[01:59] <the> anyone here?
[01:59] <jsgotangco> yes but this is a meeting channel and only active when there are meetings held
[01:59] <the> ah
[01:59] <the> there is a meeting in three hours time
[01:59] <jsgotangco> see topic for schedules
[01:59] <the> i saw
[02:00] <jsgotangco> yes so come back in 3 hours then ;) we dont want to fill up the logs with idle chatter ;)
[02:44] <Hobbsee> @schedule australia
[02:44] <Hobbsee> @schedule sydney
[02:44] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Australia/Sydney: 13 Oct 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Oct 22:00: Community Council | 18 Oct 01:00: LoCo | 18 Oct 22:00: Edubuntu | 20 Oct 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 25 Oct 06:00: Technical Board
[03:02] <mvo> @schedule berlin
[03:02] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 12 Oct 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Oct 14:00: Community Council | 17 Oct 17:00: LoCo | 18 Oct 14:00: Edubuntu | 20 Oct 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 24 Oct 22:00: Technical Board
[03:04] <zul> @schedule montreal
[03:04] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Montreal: 12 Oct 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Oct 08:00: Community Council | 17 Oct 11:00: LoCo | 18 Oct 08:00: Edubuntu | 19 Oct 19:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 24 Oct 16:00: Technical Board
[04:35] <GNAM> @schedule rome
[04:35] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 12 Oct 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Oct 14:00: Community Council | 17 Oct 17:00: LoCo | 18 Oct 14:00: Edubuntu | 20 Oct 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 24 Oct 22:00: Technical Board
[04:41] <sfllaw> @schedule now
[04:41] <sfllaw> @schedule time
[04:45] <zul> 15 minutes until the next meeting
[04:59] <pitti> mdz?
[05:01] <iwj> Hi everyone.  Having fun ? :-)
[05:01] <infinity> Loads.
[05:01] <fabbione> yo
[05:01] <zul> ia m
[05:02] <tfheen> anybody feel like waking mdz?
[05:02] <sfllaw> Can we con Kamion into running the show again?
[05:02] <BenC> I can call him
[05:02] <tfheen> sfllaw: sure, but mdz probably wants to be around.
[05:02] <infinity> I could chair the meeting, but it's be about 5 minutes long if I did.
[05:02] <dholbach> Kamion is the best mdz replacement we have, but I guess mdz would like to be here.
[05:02] <infinity> s/it's/it'd/
[05:03] <dholbach> infinity: how would it look like?
[05:03] <tfheen> BenC: please do so
[05:03] <Kamion> I'm here, but for the RC freeze meeting I'd rather mdz did it
[05:03] <Kamion> plus I'm really tired
[05:03] <infinity> Join the club. :P
[05:03] <infinity> It's 1am, and I've been working since 7am.
[05:03] <infinity> Don't ask why, I'm not entirely sure myself.
[05:04] <BenC> calling a second time, he didn't answer the first
[05:04] <BenC> he's getting on
[05:04] <mdz> morning
[05:04] <sfllaw> mdz: Morning.
[05:04] <pitti> hi mdz
[05:04] <fschoep> hi
[05:04] <Keybuk> mdz: morning
[05:04] <tkamppeter> hi mdz
[05:05] <mvo> hi mdz
[05:05] <keescook> hiya
[05:05] <Riddell> hi
[05:05] <seb128> hi mdz
[05:06] <mdz> do we have ogra,Keybuk,doko?
[05:06] <Keybuk> we do
[05:06] <Keybuk> at least me
[05:06] <ogra> sure
[05:06] <mdz> fschoep,kwwii: ping
[05:06] <fschoep> mdz: hi
[05:06] <kwwii> mdz: hi
[05:07] <heno> doko is on as doko_ today: ping
[05:07] <sivang> hi
[05:07] <doko_> pong
[05:08] <mdz> seb128: you said you have a commitment immediately after the meeting, so would you start?
[05:08] <seb128> Done:
[05:08] <seb128> - bugs fixing
[05:08] <seb128> To do:
[05:08] <seb128> - CD testing
[05:08] <seb128> - bugs fixing
[05:08] <seb128> Bugs milestoned for edgy:
[05:08] <seb128> - #62593: evolution-alarm-notify doesn't start if evolution is not started, annoying but not a blocker. I'll look to it next
[05:08] <seb128> - #3642: hibernate not working from gdm login screen, it never worked but might be easy to fix and would be nice to make working, low priority though
[05:09] <mdz> seb128: excellent, all your other bugs are resolved?
[05:09] <seb128> yep
[05:09] <seb128> busy week but I'm pretty happy with the bugs fixed
[05:09] <mdz> indeed
[05:10] <mdz> only 34 on the milestone list in total now
[05:10] <seb128> I'll have a look at that panel freeze on upgrade happening for some people
[05:10] <seb128> to make sure it doesn't happen on dapper to edgy update
[05:10] <mdz> seb128: is there no bug open about that yet?
[05:10] <Riddell> what's the URL for the milestone list?
[05:10] <seb128> there is one, it's Needs Info though
[05:11] <dholbach> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-6.10
[05:11] <ogra> hrm... sorting by status doesnbt work at all
[05:11] <mdz> ogra: sorting is pretty broken in general on that page; I've filed a bug already
[05:11] <Keybuk> mdz: you can sort the milestone list?! :p
[05:11] <mdz> seb128: send the bug# on -devel if you have it
[05:11] <Kamion> it may be easier to use the main Ubuntu bug list and use advanced search to get the milestone
[05:11] <ogra> heh, clicking on status seems to sort on prio :)
[05:11] <BenC> I filed a bug on i too
[05:12] <mdz> Kamion: it is, but it doesn't have assignee on it which is less than ideal
[05:12] <Kamion> Keybuk: yes, but it sorts by two columns to the left due to a javascript bug
[05:12] <mdz> seb128: thanks
[05:12] <mdz> dholbach: next
[05:12] <Kamion> mdz: yeah
[05:12] <dholbach> Done
[05:12] <dholbach>     * bluetooth fixing/updates, uvf, bugs, artwork (reverted to dapper-artwork), hug day, reviewing
[05:12] <dholbach> To do
[05:12] <dholbach>     * triage, cd testing
[05:12] <dholbach>     * more bugs, especially:
[05:12] <dholbach>     * bug 56651 ("Impossible to do pairing in Kubuntu") - needs more investigation and testing - talking to kmobiletools upstream
[05:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56651 in bluez-utils "Impossible to do pairing in Kubuntu" [Unknown,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/56651
[05:12] <dholbach>     * bug 57588 ("GDM themes do not have pam-message item") - need to talk to fschoep
[05:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57588 in edgy-gdm-themes "GDM themes do not have pam-message item" [High,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57588
[05:12] <Keybuk> Kamion: so how do you sort by status?
[05:13] <seb128> dholbach: if you say "bug #nnn", no need to mention the title, Ubugtu does it for you :p
[05:13] <ogra> Keybuk, invent two new columns ?
[05:13] <dholbach> seb128: thanks for the explanation ;-)
[05:13] <seb128> Keybuk: http://tinyurl.com/ygw4gr
[05:13] <dholbach> seb128: that's for the wiki then :-P
[05:13] <mdz> dholbach: the artwork update (or anti-update) to dapper is done?
[05:13] <dholbach> mdz: yes :-(
[05:13] <mdz> ok, haven't read mail yet this morning
[05:13] <Kamion> Keybuk: you don't
[05:13] <dholbach> discussion has started on sounder and ubuntu-art
[05:13] <mdz> dholbach: have you heard from sabdfl?
[05:14] <dholbach> mdz: no, neither has fschoep, aiui
[05:14] <fschoep> mdz: dholbach: I've spoken to Mark on Monday and Tuesday
[05:14] <seb128> Keybuk: http://tinyurl.com/ybb45x rather
[05:14] <fschoep> mdz: dholbach: had contact until late Wednesday then he disappeared
[05:14] <pitti> seb128: heh, I guess everyone has a similar bookmark by now :)
[05:14] <fschoep> mdz: dholbach: no options for me than to revert to Dapper
[05:14] <seb128> pitti: ;)
[05:14] <mdz> fschoep: yes, just need to confirm that what is in edgy is something he can live with
[05:15] <fschoep> mdz: probably not if I read between the lines
[05:15] <mdz> that can't wait until next week
[05:15] <fschoep> mdz: but Dapper's artwork is in now and that's best for now
[05:15] <mdz> I'll call him later today
[05:15] <fschoep> OK
[05:15] <mdz> dholbach: thanks
[05:15] <mdz> fschoep: next
[05:15] <fschoep> Done:
[05:15] <fschoep>  * community-artwork: intensive collaboration with sabdfl and other artists, dozens of designs, reverted to Dapper artwork
[05:15] <fschoep>  * firefox-themes-ubuntu: fix bugs, Ian uploaded new package 0.5.4
[05:15] <fschoep>  * art-mailing-list: fix remaining ML moderation issues
[05:15] <fschoep>  * fixing and updating random artwork bugs
[05:15] <fschoep>  * usplash-artwork: work with Seveas and msikma to create a new design
[05:16] <fschoep>  * sound-themes: shortened login and logout sounds
[05:16] <fschoep>  * ubuntu-art-polish-human-icons: iterate with Dave on polishing icons, integrating some community crafted icons
[05:16] <fschoep> Ongoing:
[05:16] <fschoep>  * ubuntu-art-polish-human-icons: iterating with Dave until time in the contract runs out, fix problems with new icons not showing up - results will be for Edgy +1
[05:16] <fschoep> Todo:
[05:16] <fschoep>  * postmortem artwork analysis and discussion
[05:16] <fschoep>  * fix random artwork bugs if possible
[05:16] <mdz> the ubuntu-6.10 bugs regarding artwork were closed by the dapper artwork upload?
[05:16] <fschoep> that last point is mostly about bug 57588
[05:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57588 in edgy-gdm-themes "GDM themes do not have pam-message item" [High,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57588
[05:17] <fschoep> mdz: only buh 57588 left
[05:17] <fschoep> bug
[05:17] <fschoep> because of the revert it got lost in the shuffle
[05:17] <fschoep> it is an easy fix, patch is available
[05:17] <dholbach> fschoep: it has a patch attached - if you're happy with it, i'd upload it
[05:17] <fschoep> dholbach: need to check it one more time, then it's OK
[05:17] <dholbach> ok
[05:18] <fschoep> mdz: so that would fix all artwork bugs I can do something about
[05:18] <mdz> hmm, seb128's url is different from mine
[05:19] <mdz> fschoep: 57588 sounds like we ought to fix it, and it should be pretty safe
[05:19] <mdz> fschoep: ok, thanks
[05:19] <fschoep> mdz: indeed
[05:19] <mdz> kwwii: next
[05:19] <tfheen> pitti: you might want to limit to main+restricted too.
[05:19] <kwwii> This week:
[05:19] <kwwii> make side stripe for main menu
[05:19] <kwwii> made two versions of a kubuntu menu icon - for future use perhaps
[05:19] <kwwii> worked on 3 ideas for the kubuntu wiki header
[05:19] <kwwii> Next:
[05:19] <kwwii> put that last stuff in bzr today, bug fix anything that comes, add any small changes needed for whatever reasons
[05:19] <kwwii> finish the wiki header images
[05:19] <mdz> my advanced search didn't turn up 57588 for some reason
[05:20] <fschoep> mdz: I've got pretty advanced bug hiding techniques ;)
[05:20] <Kamion> because it's in progress maybe?
[05:20] <mdz> Kamion: I have other in progress bugs
[05:20] <mdz> his list has 41, mine 34
[05:20] <mdz> will fiddle with it after the meeting
[05:21] <Keybuk> kwwii: "small changes" in artwork, before the release?  are you mad?
[05:21] <kwwii> one more things for me: make release announcement pic
[05:21] <mdz> kwwii: so what's in edgy now is final, or something is very wrong?
[05:21] <kwwii> Keybuk: well, if something is a major bug, then yes, we should change it
[05:21] <tfheen> mdz: 41 bugs is with universe included.
[05:21] <Keybuk> (there's got to be at least three redesigns in the next week, if we follow the last plan <g>)
[05:21] <kwwii> mdz: nopt, everything in edgy is final
[05:22] <kwwii> Keybuk: actually I have been working on the same design since Wiesbaden :-)
[05:22] <mdz> kwwii: ok, phew
[05:22] <mdz> kwwii: thanks
[05:22] <kwwii> :-)
[05:22] <mdz> heno: next
[05:22] <heno>  * a11y: Everything on my list has been fixed except the GOK/wacom configuration/crasher bug (#42308). I would need help from some X people with that. Annoying but gok is no longer default OSK, and there is a simple work-around.
[05:22] <heno>  * example-content: uploaded some simple spelling changes and tweaks yesterday
[05:22] <heno>  * winfoss: complete apart from new screenshots to reflect the new (old) artwork. Doing that now.
[05:22] <heno>  * access.ubuntu.com: will need updating now to reflect our new features
[05:22] <heno>  * other: stated work on Edgy+1 specs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Specs
[05:23] <mdz> bug 42308
[05:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42308 in gok "On-screen keyboard (gok v1.0.7-0ubuntu3) fails" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/42308
[05:23] <tfheen> heno: 42308 isn't 6.10-targeted.
[05:23] <heno> tfheen: ok, nevermind then
[05:23] <heno> and rightly so
[05:23] <mdz> hmm, old bug
[05:23] <tfheen> heno: if it's critical for the release, we should target it, if not, it shouldn't be fixed before edgy+1 opens
[05:23] <mdz> heno: the a11y stuff for the live CD is sorted now?
[05:24] <heno> tfheen: it's not critical IMO
[05:24] <heno> mdz: yes, fixes are applied, though I've not had a chance to test everything
[05:25] <mdz> heno: ok, please verify as soon as you can with a daily
[05:25] <heno> mdz: ok
[05:25] <mdz> winfoss is final?
[05:25] <Kamion> heno: please do (have someone) test the orca/ubiquity thing I uploaded today - I tested as best I could but my test rig isn't set up for it
[05:26] <heno> mdz: except that the artwork has just changed so I need to change some Ubuntu screenshots
[05:26] <heno> Kamion: yes
[05:26] <Riddell> heno: is the kubuntu winfoss final?
[05:26] <mdz> fschoep: speaking of which, are you in communication with the doc team about screenshots?
[05:26] <heno> tortoise_: could you look at that? ^
[05:27] <fschoep> mdz: no I am not
[05:27] <Kamion> tortoise_: tomorrow's daily build should have it
[05:27] <mdz> fschoep: please start a dialog about that, given how unpredictable it continues to be
[05:27] <fschoep> mdz: right, how would I go about the discussion / problem?
[05:27] <heno> (I ask because he wrote the ubiquity script for orca)
[05:27] <tortoise_> heno, kamion: yeah, sure
[05:28] <mdz> fschoep: explain that the artwork has changed to dapper's and so screenshots with the old artwork will need to be updated
[05:29] <fschoep> mdz: OK, that's clear but those already have the "artwork preview" notice on it, but I'll try and get in touch anyway
[05:29] <fschoep> mdz: consider it done
[05:29] <mdz> heno: thanks
[05:29] <mdz> doko_: next
[05:30] <doko_> this week:
[05:30] <doko_>  - OOo update to 2.0.4 rc3, python to 2.4.4 rc1
[05:30] <doko_>  - fixing build failures; toolchain & python
[05:30] <doko_>  - new hplip 1.6.9 package
[05:30] <doko_>  - some more package syncs
[05:30] <doko_> next week:
[05:30] <doko_>  - OOo 2.0.4 final?, python2.4.4 final
[05:30] <doko_>  - bugs
[05:30] <doko_> bug status:
[05:30] <doko_>  - #56779, #57121: python upgrade errors; not reproducible in standard
[05:30] <doko_>    dapper -> edgy upgrades by mvo and me.  still investigating.
[05:30] <doko_>  - #64604: python2.5 installation error; most likely the same problem
[05:30] <doko_>    as above; investigating.
[05:30] <doko_>  - #64014 ([ia64]  libgcc1: undefined reference to `_Unwind_GetIPInfo')
[05:30] <doko_>    fixed.
[05:31] <mdz> doko_: it may not be realistic to drop in the final oo.o and pytho
[05:31] <mdz> n
[05:32] <mdz> oo.o in particular is disruptive to the release process even if the changes are tiny
[05:32] <Kamion> python may be more realistic than oo.o; at least we can feasibly read the diff there
[05:32] <Kamion> and expect it to build in reasonable time
[05:32] <mdz> yes, and the diff is likely to be tiny
[05:32] <doko_> therefore the "?"; will send an email about OOo. if we can do the OOo build on a weekend, it wouldn't hurt
[05:32] <mdz> for the same reason, of course, it doesn't add much value :-)
[05:32] <doko_> mdz: marketing :-)
[05:32] <mdz> doko_: if oo.o is released in time to build it over this weekend, that would be perfect
[05:33] <mdz> but I'm not keen to update it after RC at all
[05:33] <doko_> ok
[05:33] <mdz> we'll see what happens
[05:34] <mdz> doko_: I spoke with kiko yesterday; we should be able to open edgy+1 shortly and start toolchain testing
[05:34] <mdz> did hplip 1.6.9 go ok?  no reports of regressions?
[05:34] <Kamion> what do we do about inheritance of the uploads to edgy after edgy+1 opens?
[05:34] <BenC> doko_: I have 2.6.19 kernel packages ready if you need/want them for toolchain bootstrapping
[05:34] <doko_> fine. haven't read any; tkamppeter closed some more hplip reprots
[05:34] <mdz> ok, thanks doko_
[05:35] <mdz> infinity: next
[05:35] <infinity> Kamion: I was about to ask the same question, since we currently can't copy packages between releases without great pain.
[05:35] <doko_> BenC: sure, would be ok for the headers.
[05:35] <infinity> Done:
[05:35] <infinity>  - Archive rebuild kicked off, in progress, and FTBFS-fixing uploads have been happening as quickly as I can fix and/or delegate
[05:35] <infinity>  - Spent a great deal of the week in sessions with the Soyuz folks over various bugs and misfeatures, as well as some minor fallout from the apt-ftparchive upgrade
[05:35] <BenC> doko_: Although it may be better to use a stable kernel header package
[05:35] <infinity>  - Plenty of archive maintenance tasks, clearing out queue/new on a far more regular basis (we sure do like to upload just before a freeze, don't we?)
[05:35] <infinity> To do:
[05:35] <mdz> Kamion: they have a couple of reasonable-sounding plans
[05:35] <infinity>  - Lots more FTBFS bugs to fix and delegate, I'm afraid.  They keep rolling in.
[05:35] <infinity>  - Archive administration for the freeze/release.
[05:35] <infinity>  - Make sure we're ready for edgy-security and edgy-updates.
[05:35] <infinity>  - Make sure my Soyuz bits are ready to open edgy+1.
[05:35] <infinity> Milestone bugs:
[05:35] <infinity>  - #61684: livefs task/metapackage mangling, should be fixed already, but confirming the fix is working as expected before I close it
[05:35] <infinity>  - #63336: bizarre samba rc?.d symlinks appearing from nowhere, this was fixed once in hoary(?), but seems to have come back, however the package that used to cause the bug no longer seems to contain the buggy code.. I'm at a loss
[05:35] <infinity>  - #63693: conffile upgrade prompt with initramfs-tools, looks like it may have been a bug in dapper's d-i.  Once I install a dapper system and confirm the bug, the fix is trivial and non-intrusive (copy and paste of some code from dapper, even)
[05:35] <mdz> Kamion: to copy over the changed edgy packages before we open it for real
[05:36] <mdz> (everyone: it's a good idea to use 'bug <num>' notation so that we get bug URLs from the bot)
[05:36] <Kamion> infinity: 61684 seems to be fine on the livefs, but due to the Malone bug where you can't open another task once one is open without a sourcepackage, it's metamorphosed into a bug about tasksel/apt-get install taskname^
[05:37] <infinity> Kamion: Heh, fair enough.  Feel free to assign it to you from here on in, then. :)
[05:37] <keescook> mdz: use 'bug <num>' even for non-milestone bugs in our report this week?
[05:37] <mdz> keescook: milestone bugs
[05:37] <mdz> the ones I'm likely to want to look at :-)
[05:37] <Kamion> infinity: or we can open a task on /products/ubuntu-cdimage for the livefs bits
[05:37] <Kamion> might do that, actually
[05:38] <keescook> mdz: right, thanks.
[05:38] <mdz> Kamion: good idea
[05:38] <infinity> Kamion: open a task on products/malone while you're at it, to prove a point. :P
[05:38] <mdz> infinity: these ftbfs are from the edgy rebuild?
[05:38] <fabbione> mdz: yes
[05:38] <infinity> mdz: Indeed.  Most are manageable so far, just a few more than I'd been hoping to see, and far later than we'd been hoping to get this off the ground.
[05:38] <mdz> infinity: where they're not immediately fixable by you, they should be milestoned
[05:39] <infinity> mdz: Understood.  Anything I can't fix or delegate immediately, I'll file and milestone.
[05:39] <mdz> thanks infinity
[05:39] <mdz> pitti: next
[05:39] <pitti> Done:
[05:39] <pitti>  * security updates: PHP, Mozilla,
[05:39] <pitti>  * Edgy security review, applied a few missing patches that fell through the cracks; in a good state now
[05:39] <pitti>  * caught up with pending MIRs
[05:39] <pitti>  * bug triage/fix sprint; brought my own milestone bug list down to zero, starting to look into unassigned milestone bugs and general FTBFS issues from autotests builds now
[05:39] <pitti>  * transition uploads to get rid of gnutls11 in universe, leaving us with only two gnutls versions for edgy (12 in universe, 13 in main); needs to be removed from the archive now (infinity might have already done that)
[05:39] <pitti>  * new langpacks for edgy and dapper-proposed
[05:39] <pitti> Todo:
[05:40] <pitti>  * CD testing
[05:40] <pitti>  * helping with release-critical bug and FTBFS fixing wherever I can
[05:40] <pitti>    - bug #62593 is my pet bug on the list ATM; I'm sure I can fix it soon
[05:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62593 in evolution-data-server "Does not display alarms until I start evolution" [Unknown,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62593
[05:40] <pitti>    - ogra noticed that edgy's gstreamer breaks the LTSP audiosink magic; if that's considered release critical, I'll fix that by tomorrow evening, too
[05:40] <pitti>    - currently dealing with various FTBFSes (partly fixed already), poppler ABI change, etc.; my current list should get done today; I'm certain that infinity has more stuff to look into :)
[05:40] <pitti>  * think about and draft SRU policy for langpacks
[05:40] <pitti>  * question to mdz/tfheen/Kamion: when shall I upload the final edgy langpacks? Another round would be nice for last polish and to pick up the KDE 3.5.5 translations (they came too late for the current packs)
[05:40] <mdz> ogra: breaks how?
[05:40] <ogra> mdz, it defaults to alsa instead of esd
[05:40] <pitti> ogra: it uses dmixsink now instead of esdsihnk
[05:40] <ogra> which doesnt help much with ESPEAKER
[05:40] <mdz> when did that change?
[05:41] <Kamion> pitti: language pack translation deadline is next Thursday
[05:41] <tfheen> pitti: langpack translations is at the same time as RC, isn't it?
[05:41] <tfheen> so I'd say Friday.
[05:41] <mdz> pitti: the day after RC
[05:41] <pitti> the patch is still there, but it somehow broke (I guess due to shifted priorities); I didn't investigate yet
[05:41] <ogra> mdz, no idea, my users here always worked i noticed it just recently
[05:41] <mdz> pitti: what's the fix?
[05:41] <Kamion> does make rather a joke out of the notion of a release "candidate"; perhaps we should revisit that scheduling next time, when we have a little more space to play with
[05:41] <ogra> (from a fresh cd install)
[05:41] <mdz> Kamion: indeed, I thought so too
[05:41] <pitti> mdz: alright, will upload them directly after RC then
[05:42] <pitti> mdz: fix> didn't look into it yet, but I guess it should be a trivial one-liner change to adapt priority
[05:42] <mdz> Kamion: have made a note for mountain view
[05:42] <ogra> pitti, now that i know where to look i can probably tackle it myself
[05:42] <pitti> well, I can also live with not updating the packs any more, and using edgy-proposed/-updates after release
[05:43] <mdz> pitti: we ought to fix that, given that it's a feature we promote in the release notes etc.
[05:43] <Kamion> at the very least there should be an update on Monday or so, if not next Friday
[05:43] <pitti> mdz: ok, I'll look for the bug and add the milestone
[05:43] <pitti> oh, bug 65690
[05:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65690 in gst-plugins-good0.10 "should select the esdsink for LTSP_CLIENTs" [Medium,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65690
[05:43] <ogra> right
[05:43] <mdz> ok
[05:43] <mdz> thanks pitti
[05:43] <Kamion> but I think Friday's probably better
[05:44] <mdz> mvo: next
[05:44] <mvo> Did:
[05:44] <mvo> - bugtriage/testing/various fixes
[05:44] <mvo> - lots of upgrade testing/testing the upgrader
[05:44] <mvo> - fix synaptic performance regression (#63171)
[05:44] <mvo> - fix language-selector problem when new fontconfig fragments are added (#62869)
[05:44] <mvo> - investigate popcon #64122, fixed by forced reconfigure for older versions
[05:44] <mvo> - non-free icons issue of app-install-data (#61076) with mdy - one icon needs to be rechecked, rest is ok
[05:44] <mvo> - dist-upgrader fixes (kubuntu upgrades work now, vanishing icons fixed, fixes in the quirks handling, discoverd problem with dist-upgrades when only cdrom is used #65679
[05:44] <mvo> - fixed dist-upgrae postinst failure of linux-image-$foo by fixing the update-grub script
[05:44] <mvo> - fixed apt-index-watcher corrupting the pkgcache and causing crashes
[05:44] <mvo> - memleask/proxy-problem fixed in update-manager
[05:44] <mvo> - - g-a-i desktop files updated for RC
[05:44] <mvo> Will do:
[05:44] <mvo> - bugfixing/bugtriage
[05:44] <mvo> - upgrade testing/cd testing
[05:44] <mvo> Interessting milestone bugs:
[05:44] <mvo> - bug #61076: we should be fine, awaiting confirm from mdy for a outstanding clarification on one icon
[05:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61076 in gnome-app-install "app-install-data contains non-free icons from multiverse, app-install-data-commercial contains even more unfree stuff" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61076
[05:44] <mvo> - bug #61684: needs fixing in aptitude or exchanging aptitude with the apt-get way to install tasks
[05:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61684 in ubuntu-cdimage "Removing any u-desktop depdencency marks all other packages for auto-removal (on alternate install)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61684
[05:44] <mvo> - bug #63396 we could add a special case for this in the upgrader
[05:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63396 in imake "Upgrading to edgy beta leavs imake and makedepend" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63396
[05:44] <mvo> - bug #63680 no progress :/ putting it into the release notes may be the only option
[05:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63680 in apt "dapper -> edgy dist-upgrade holds back essential packages" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63680
[05:44] <mvo> - bug #64395 can't reproduce
[05:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64395 in gcj-4.1 "Update manager aborts on eclipse-platform-gcj when updating from Dapper to Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64395
[05:44] <mvo> - bug #65679 not analyized yet, but it looks not easy (apt-get dist-upgrade dies early)
[05:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65679 in update-manager "cdrom only dist-upgrade not working because of openoffice.org-l10n" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65679
[05:45] <Viper550> excuse me, but from what I heard, Edgy will be released with Dapper's artwork, why did you do this?
[05:45] <mdz> mvo: 61684 only pertains to the alternate CD now, right?  it's fixed properly for the desktop cd?
[05:45] <fabbione> mvo: bug 63396 is a mix of things.. IIRC Kamion said something about archive that didn't drop a package?
[05:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63396 in imake "Upgrading to edgy beta leavs imake and makedepend" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63396
[05:45] <Kamion> mdz: it does appear to be
[05:46] <Kamion> mdz: I tried it out today and am not noticing weirdness so far
[05:46] <mvo> mdz: yes, the desktop cd should be fine
[05:46] <mdz> Viper550: please take that discussion to the art mailing list; we're short on time here
[05:46] <fabbione> Viper550: we are in a meeting and this is offtopic here.
[05:46] <mdz> Viper550: fschoep will provide background there
[05:46] <Kamion> fabbione: those packages certainly aren't in the NBS list any more
[05:46] <Kamion> unless they're whole source packages that need to be removed
[05:46] <mdz> infinity,mvo,Kamion: fine = the awful hack we used for beta, or a proper fix now?
[05:46] <Kamion> in which case let ubuntu-archive know ASAP
[05:46] <fschoep> I'm on it
[05:46] <fabbione> Kamion: ok. there was more to be done and it was assigned to rodrigo.. we should look at it again.
[05:47] <mvo> fabbione: isn't it only a missing transitional package?
[05:47] <infinity> mdz: It installs ubuntu-live as a task now, which mvo assures me should work, however the awful hack is still in there *too*.  I'll remove it tomorrow and make sure that doesn't break anything.
[05:47] <fabbione> mvo: no.. imake is provided by xutils-dev.. let's talk about it after the meeting
[05:47] <mvo> fabbione: ok
[05:48] <infinity> mdz: The awful hack remained purely for paranoia's sake until I had a chance to rsync some images and test for myself.
[05:48] <mvo> infinity: please keep me updated on this too
[05:48] <mdz> infinity: ok
[05:48] <infinity> mvo: Oh, you'll hear from me if it braks. :)
[05:48] <infinity> s/braks/breaks/
[05:48] <mvo> you mean I will hear the yelling all over the ocean?
[05:49] <infinity> Possibly. :)
[05:49] <mvo> the cdrom->cdrom upgrade thing is currently the only one that makes me kind of nervous
[05:49] <mdz> mvo: please draft a note for 63680
[05:50] <mdz> mvo: you think one final upgrader update before RC?
[05:50] <mvo> mdz: I will draft a note. I have one (trivial) patch pending for the upgrader
[05:50] <mvo> and I would like to do a i18n update too if possible
[05:50] <mdz> mvo: 61684 -> I prefer that we switch to apt-get; that's what we're using for the livefs, yes?
[05:50] <infinity> Indeed.
[05:50] <Kamion> mdz: that's what I'm planning to do, yes
[05:51] <mvo> mdz: yes
[05:51] <Kamion> mvo says the aptitude fix is hard
[05:51] <mdz> indeed
[05:51] <mvo> unfortunately :/
[05:51] <mdz> mvo: ok, thanks
[05:51] <mdz> BenC: next
[05:51] <mvo> I can give it a deeper look though
[05:51] <BenC> 64430: T42 Crash in e1000 on suspend: Working on this with mdz
[05:51] <BenC> 43531: Seems I forgot to make these uploads. Just adds a Provides for all boot loaders of "boot-loader", and adds a "no-boot-loader" meta-package to linux-meta. Will upload today.
[05:51] <BenC> 63553: Ricoh R5C822 card reader doesn't detect inserts. Patch applied. If another upload is done, it will get included.
[05:51] <BenC> General kernel: All security updates done. Most major regressions handled. May have one more upload before release, but not likely.
[05:51] <Kamion> mvo: probably not worth the time right now
[05:52] <Kamion> BenC: no-boot-loader is still such an incredibly confusing name given the existence of nobootloader :-/
[05:52] <fabbione> BenC: re 64430 you want to ask davem, he knows about this PM bug in the e1000. it's probably the same that generate the HV crash on Niagara
[05:52] <BenC> Kamion: Any suggestions?
[05:52] <tfheen> BenC: what about bug 33950 ?   You targetted it for 6.10?
[05:52] <BenC> fabbione: Ok
[05:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 33950 in linux-source-2.6.17 "hdaps Y axis inverted" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/33950
[05:52] <sivang> (had to go, laters)
[05:52] <mdz> BenC: bug 60231, bug 60938, bug 62685, bug 33950, bug 58742 all seem to be targeted
[05:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60231 in linux "wg511 pccard not loaded (regression: dapper -> edgy)" [Unknown,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60231
[05:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60938 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17 "ath_hal missing from modules.dep" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60938
[05:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62685 in linux-source-2.6.17 "[Edgy regression]  Hostap driver for PRISM2 wifi card not working any more" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62685
[05:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58742 in linux-source-2.6.17 "[edgy]  Important dvb-ttpci modules are missing in edgy!" [Undecided,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58742
[05:53] <BenC> bug 33950 ?
[05:53] <Kamion> BenC: virtual, null, not sure really, none seem compelling :-/
[05:53] <infinity> bug 60938 is a complete mystery to me, I've never been able to reproduce it.
[05:53] <mdz> Kamion,BenC: "manual"?
[05:54] <Kamion> mdz: good idea
[05:54] <BenC> I didn't see 58742, I'll check on that today
[05:54] <BenC> ok, manual-boot-loader it is
[05:54] <mdz> I experienced 60938 though I am at a loss to explain how it could have happened
[05:55] <BenC> 60938 sounds like a race to me
[05:55] <infinity> mdz: Can't reliably reproduce it, I take it? :/
[05:55] <BenC> some how depmod isn't getting run, or is run at the wrong time
[05:55] <mdz> if you guys have older kernels installed, search your old modules.dep and see if any are missing restricted modules
[05:55] <infinity> BenC: We run it from the lrm postinst, so that's pretty sketchy..
[05:55] <BenC> it doesn't sound possible though
[05:56] <seb128> mdz: I've to go now, is that ok?
[05:56] <mdz> seb128: ok, good night
[05:56] <seb128> thanks
[05:56] <mvo> bye seb128
[05:56] <mdz> infinity: if you would prepare a quick recipe people could paste to check whether they've been affected, and mail it out, that might help
[05:57] <mdz> we could at least estimate how many people were affected
[05:57] <infinity> mdz: I'll do so in the morning, sure.
[05:57] <infinity> mdz: Make sure to list it in the "meeting deliverables" mail, so I don't forget when I pass out in a few minutes. :)
[05:57] <BenC> mdz: I just checked ubuntu-6.10 bugs that were assigned to me, so I'll get on those other ones
[05:58] <mdz> there are some conditions in both lrm-manager and linux-image.postinst, but they're pretty unlikely to be wrong
[05:58] <infinity> Yeah, I'm re-reading lrm-manager now..
[05:58] <mdz> BenC: ok, please mail me after you've looked at the others
[05:59] <mdz> BenC: ok, thanks
[05:59] <mdz> ogra: next
[05:59] <ogra> * last-week:
[05:59] <ogra>  - fixed the remaining edubuntu and ltsp bugs
[05:59] <ogra>  - go over screensaver and powermanager bugs, fix the non intrusively fixable ones
[05:59] <ogra>  - fixed 640x480 usplash theme
[05:59] <ogra>  - fix some edubuntu defaults
[05:59] <ogra>  - several CD tests
[05:59] <ogra>  - cared for MV sponsorings and arrangements
[05:59] <ogra> * next week:
[05:59] <ogra>  - RC testing etc
[05:59] <ogra>  - post RC: fill CD with langpacks where space is left
[05:59] <ogra>  - look into bug #65693, bug #65690 and #49441
[05:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65693 in edubuntu-artwork "progressbar is distorted " [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65693
[05:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65690 in gst-plugins-good0.10 "should select the esdsink for LTSP_CLIENTs" [Medium,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65690
[05:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 49441 in Baltix "Should not choose GL screensavers when no acceleration is available" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/49441
[06:00] <mdz> ack, 49441 is still around?
[06:00] <ogra> yep
[06:00] <ogra> and it might be a bit intrusive to fix ...
[06:00] <mdz> it is too late to fix
[06:00] <ogra> i'm considering disabling random in g-s-s
[06:00] <mdz> it's also a duplicate
[06:01] <mdz> has upstream shown any interest?
[06:01] <ogra> well, its mostly X breakage ...
[06:01] <mdz> oh?
[06:01] <ogra> so upstrema doesnt really care ...
[06:01] <fabbione> ogra: did you just volunteered to take over X for edgy+1?
[06:01] <ogra> indeed, if your system dies because of extensive mesa usage
[06:01] <ogra> fabbione, who does edubuntu and ltsp then ?
[06:02] <mdz> ogra: how is it an X issue? does X not allow the application to check whether opengl is accelerated?
[06:02] <ogra> mdz, X does
[06:02] <mdz> then what's the trouble?
[06:02] <ogra> but that the screensavers break at all is a GL/Mesa issue
[06:03] <mdz> they're incredibly slow unless acceleration is available
[06:03] <ogra> i have a warty laptop here that has no GL and all GL savers run fine without making it melt
[06:03] <ogra> its true that they eat CPU, but not in an amount that breaks the system
[06:03] <mdz> it takes the entire CPU on my desktop without accel
[06:03] <ogra> right
[06:03] <mdz> a screensaver shouldn't do that
[06:04] <mdz> anyway, it's too late (again!) to fix this
[06:04] <ogra> and it did so in dapper and breezy, but before GL savers were fine
[06:04] <ogra> ok, i'll have a backportable fix for release then ...
[06:04] <mdz> they weren't in my experience
[06:05] <mdz> thanks ogra
[06:05] <mdz> iwj: next
[06:05] <iwj> automated-testing-deployment: Automated testbed (Xen guest) creation packaged up.  Working on tearing apart adt-virt-chroot to make adt-virt-xenlvm too.
[06:05] <iwj> firefox: 2.0rc2 in edgy, calling itself `Firefox'.  2.0 final has missed the boat, but rc2 seems to be working well enough.
[06:05] <iwj> next week: holiday
[06:05] <iwj> edgy-targeted bug #30791 (compreg.dat): partial workaround (rm in postinst) deployed but we still don't know the real cause and can't fix until we do :-/.  I think this bug no longer needs to be on the radar for the edgy release so I have de-targeted it.
[06:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 30791 in firefox "firefox 1.4.99 upgrade still have compreg.dat, creates issue" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/30791
[06:05] <iwj> edgy-targeted bug #57161 (libsmjs-dev etc, eclipse): Communications with submitters don't seem very good, but: I still think this should be fixed by use of firefox's -dev packages, as I say in the report.  Unfortunately I think it is now too late to fix this in the libsmjs etc. packages (in universe).  Certainly it is too late to make any kind of structural change to the libraries provided by firefox.
[06:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57161 in xulrunner "Impossible to install libsmjs-dev with firefox present" [Unknown,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57161
[06:05] <iwj> nothing else for edgy on my plate that I know of.
[06:06] <mdz> iwj: shouldn't be too late to fix things like that in universe, if we have a fix in hand
[06:06] <iwj> mdz: I don't think we do have a fix in hand.
[06:06] <iwj> I mean, I have a suggestion for what to do, but there is no concrete patch or anything and no-one has tested it.
[06:06] <iwj> We don't even know if what I suggest will work, although I think it will.
[06:06] <doko_> mdz: I'm still looking to build eclipse using firefox-dev.
[06:07] <mdz> iwj: wouldn't this problem date back to before edgy?
[06:07] <iwj> mdz: Yes.
[06:07] <iwj> At least, unless libsmjs etc. changed.
[06:07] <iwj> I'm afraid I don't know much about them.
[06:07] <mdz> iwj: 30791 has no milestone set
[06:07] <tfheen> mdz: he said he de-targeted it
[06:08] <iwj> mdz: Yes, I unset the milestone because the partial workaround I've deployed is what we're doing for edgy.
[06:08] <mdz> ok
[06:08] <tfheen> we've deployed a workaround (rm-ing compreg.dat in postinst) which is not ideal, but might help
[06:08] <mdz> iwj: what's the word from sysadmin about deploying automated testing?
[06:08] <iwj> It's certainly safe and it might help gather information and will make it easier to fix broken systems.
[06:08] <Kamion> xulrunner is fairly new; I'm not sure it was in <edgy?
[06:08] <iwj> mdz: I haven't spoken to them recently.  I'm still putting pieces together.
[06:08] <iwj> Kamion: That may be true.
[06:09] <mdz> ok
[06:09] <iwj> mdz: re automated testing, I had agreement in principle.
[06:09] <Kamion> ah, xulrunner is only in edgy, but libsmjs-dev predates edgy
[06:09] <iwj> Presumably libsmjs-dev changed its dependencies in Debian.
[06:09] <Kamion> it used to come from spidermonkey
[06:10] <mdz> iwj: it seems unlikely to be deployed now, and is too late to reap benefit for edgy anyway
[06:10] <mdz> iwj: please mark deferred
[06:10] <iwj> Willdo.
[06:10] <iwj> I'll keep working on it though ...
[06:10] <mdz> thanks iwj
[06:10] <mdz> sfllaw: next
[06:10] <sfllaw> Done:
[06:10] <sfllaw>  * Hug Day
[06:10] <sfllaw>  * Bug triage
[06:10] <sfllaw>  * Testing/Current
[06:10] <sfllaw> To do:
[06:10] <sfllaw>  * Cupsys SRU (bug 54277)
[06:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54277 in cupsys "cupsd can't access /var/log/cups/error_log permission denied" [High,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/54277
[06:11] <sfllaw>  * Hal SRU (bug 56484)
[06:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56484 in hal "hal does not detect non-ATAPI CD-ROM drives" [Unknown,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/56484
[06:11] <sfllaw>  * Bug triage
[06:11] <sfllaw>  * Testing/Current
[06:11] <sfllaw>  * Hug Day
[06:11] <sfllaw> ogra: Since you have the hardware that can reproduce the hal change, could you install hal from dapper-proposed and give it a spin?
[06:11] <sfllaw> tfheen: Which CD images should we be targetting in Testing/Current?
[06:11] <mdz> sfllaw: do you have a plan for testing RC?
[06:11] <tfheen> sfllaw: none yet; I'll build candidate images on Monday.
[06:11] <sfllaw> Yes.
[06:11] <ogra> sfllaw, will do so, but i need a free machine for dapper first
[06:11] <tfheen> sfllaw: 54277 isn't targetted
[06:11] <mdz> sfllaw: is it in the wiki?
[06:11] <pitti> ogra: that's the SCSI/USB cd-rom issue I fixed in Wiesbaden
[06:12] <tfheen> sfllaw: neither is 56484
[06:12] <dholbach> tfheen: that's a stable release update, no?
[06:12] <sfllaw> Not anything further than Testing/Current.
[06:12] <ogra> pitti, yep, i saw the mail
[06:12] <pitti> sfllaw: these were dapper-proposed uploads
[06:12] <pitti> tfheen: ^ sorry
[06:12] <tfheen> dholbach: oh, true.
[06:12] <pitti> they are both fixed in edgy
[06:12] <sfllaw> We'll be doing lab testing which should give us good results.
[06:12] <sfllaw> But we will need people to chip in with PPC and Sparc hardware.
[06:13] <sfllaw> As we don't have enough of that.
[06:13] <fabbione> sfllaw: you have 2 sparc gears at the DC
[06:13] <fabbione> sfllaw: those are the one you care the most
[06:13] <sfllaw> fabbione: DC?
[06:13] <dholbach> data centre?
[06:13] <mdz> sfllaw: what we need is a list of tasks and who will carry them out
[06:13] <sfllaw> fabbione: Are you referring to the certification lab?
[06:13] <fabbione> sfllaw: yes
[06:14] <mdz> all of the high priority test cases should have a name attached and a commitment to complete the test on schedule
[06:14] <sfllaw> OK.  Well, I will look for volunteers to help with PPC then.
[06:15] <mdz> high priority should cover all ISOs, at least one install test per
[06:15] <sfllaw> We can do lots of Intel and AMD64 machines in parallel.
[06:15] <sfllaw> Since the office bandwidth will be low, I'm going to do downloads from home and ship them there by sneakernet.
[06:15] <mdz> sfllaw: there's a wiki list of who has what hardware; don't wait for volunteers but rope them in
[06:15] <sfllaw> OK.
[06:15] <Keybuk> mdz: where is that page?  I need to remove my ppc from it
[06:15] <mdz> Keybuk: canonical wiki
[06:15] <keescook> sfllaw: I have two PPC here, let me know where I can help
[06:15] <sfllaw> https://wiki.canonical.com/StaffHardware
[06:16] <sfllaw> keescook: Thanks.
[06:16] <dholbach> i need to get memory for my old ppc over the weekend, so i can do at least an alternate installer test
[06:16] <sfllaw> Can we all update https://wiki.canonical.com/StaffHardware then?
[06:17] <pitti> will o
[06:17] <sfllaw> Stylish!
[06:17] <pitti> do, even
[06:17] <mdz> sfllaw: I'll sketch an outline of what I mean for the testing process and we'll go over it tomorrowish
[06:18] <mdz> sfllaw: thanks
[06:18] <sfllaw> Thanks.
[06:18] <mdz> fabbione: next
[06:18] <fabbione> Done
[06:18] <fabbione>  * RC bug fixing. My personal list has been emptied a week ago or so, picked up some random one from the others.
[06:18] <fabbione>  * More of the above.
[06:18] <fabbione>  * install/upgrade testing on sparc/i386.
[06:18] <fabbione>  * Setup super buildd of death for sparc (running as we speak).
[06:18] <fabbione>  * Started beta testing program for one ISV.
[06:18] <fabbione>  * cpio/LSB funtastic. no regressions so far. will unsubscribe myself tomorrow as specified by SRU procedures.
[06:18] <fabbione>  * Fixed redhat-cluster-suite dapper -> edgy upgrade with help from Kamion.
[06:18] <fabbione> To do
[06:18] <fabbione>  * Team up with infinity to fix FTBFS from the above (plenty to investigate).
[06:18] <fabbione>  * More testing on sparc.
[06:18] <fabbione>  * Write wiki upgrade procedure for redhat-cluster-suite.
[06:18] <fabbione> Note:
[06:18] <fabbione>  * while the sparc buildd of death is running, i *am* less responsive on IRC because i often need to head out of the office because it's just too noisy.
[06:18] <fabbione> mdz: i would like to take 2 minutes of your time after the meeting.
[06:18] <mdz> sfllaw: oh, and when targeting any new bugs which don't have an assignee, please notify me, as I'm keeping track out of band
[06:19] <mdz> fabbione: no problem
[06:19] <sfllaw> mdz: Targetting?
[06:19] <Kamion> sfllaw: milestone ubuntu-6.10
[06:19] <mdz> sfllaw: if you come across a bug in triage which ought to be targeted, and target it, I'd like to hear about it asynchronously
[06:19] <sfllaw> mdz: Ah.  Will do.
[06:19] <fabbione> mdz: possibly after dinner.. when i wrote the report it was 2 hours ago :)
[06:20] <mdz> fabbione: no targeted bugs for sparc?
[06:20] <fabbione> mdz: nope.. all cleared
[06:20] <mdz> cool
[06:20] <fabbione> mdz: well modulo the FTBFS that i am still parsing
[06:21] <fabbione> mdz: all the other stuff looks good
[06:21] <mdz> infinity: sparc is covered by the rebuild test?
[06:21] <infinity> mdz: Doubly-so, both in the DC and on Fabio's rig.
[06:21] <fabbione> mdz: yes.. i did setup 24 buildd's here
[06:21] <mdz> fabbione: !
[06:21] <mdz> 24?
[06:21] <mdz> one for every hour of the day?
[06:21] <fabbione> mdz: yes.. on the Niagara
[06:21] <fabbione> mdz: ahah no.. just a bit of hacks around dak
[06:21] <Kamion> make -j24 fabbione
[06:22] <fabbione> Kamion: ROFL
[06:22] <ogra> heh
[06:22] <mdz> ok
[06:22] <mdz> thanks fabbione
[06:22] <mdz> Kamion: next
[06:22] <Kamion> Done:
[06:22] <Kamion>   usplash: Made tasksel install xserver-xorg before usplash, fixing resolution detection.
[06:22] <Kamion>   ubiquity: Fixed DCOP handling so that the KDE frontend can reboot properly and disable the media notifier. Fixed manual partitioning summary. Fixed several nasty bugs with tens of reports each. Quick accessibility tweak for Henrik (orca). Pulled in final translations. Pretty happy with the state of the world here.
[06:22] <Kamion>   sane-installer-keyboard: Default keyboard layout in ubiquity fixed. Beat up keymapper and cdebconf-keystep until they can detect a UK keymap correctly again.
[06:22] <Kamion>   misc: LVM and RAID polished up in d-i; likewise XFS. ia64 fixes in d-i. Kickstart fixes for prebaseconfig -> finish-install renaming. Fixed system-config-kickstart. Killed off the *-live metapackages, now don
[06:22] <Kamion> e using tasks.
[06:22] <Kamion>   milestone-bugs: Two left assigned to me at present: bug 61684 (tasksel vs. aptitude vs. apt-get) should be straightforward now, and is tangled up with bug 62712 (language-support-* automarking) so both will probably be fixed at once.
[06:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61684 in ubuntu-cdimage "Removing any u-desktop depdencency marks all other packages for auto-removal (on alternate install)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61684
[06:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62712 in debian-installer "Language support packages are marked as automatically installed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62712
[06:22] <Kamion> To do:
[06:22] <Kamion>   misc: Make d-i use apt-get to install tasks rather than aptitude, to help apt's autoremove facilities (bug 61684). Bug 62712 will probably be fixed in the process. Be a general consultant for as many other RC bugs as I can. Release candidate CD preparation and testing.
[06:22] <Kamion>   ubiquity: Bug triage ad infinitum.
[06:22] <Kamion>   fonts: Either we need ttf-dzongkha and ttf-khmeros in desktop (a little over 1MB total), or we should remove Dzongkha and Khmer from the list of languages presented by ubiquity. Sorry for not sorting this out earlier.
[06:24] <mdz> Kamion: has oem been tested lately?
[06:24] <Kamion> not this week
[06:24] <pitti> yes, I did
[06:24] <Kamion> ah
[06:24] <pitti> worked like charm now
[06:24] <mdz> good
[06:24] <Riddell> it's reported to work well on kubuntu
[06:24] <Kamion> excellent
[06:24] <pitti> I thought I test it early, since it was pretty problematic in beta
[06:24] <Kamion> s/pretty problematic/hosed/
[06:25] <Kamion> a lot of ubiquity bugs turned out to be due to log-output wrapping lines at 1024 characters
[06:25] <Kamion> (only ones filed on edgy, though) fixing that fixed a bunch of weird debconf errors
[06:25] <mdz> oh?
[06:26] <Kamion> the hw-detect exiting 10 one, which I only figured out this afternoon
[06:26] <Kamion> anyway, fonts?
[06:26] <mdz> Kamion: is ubiquity actually translated into those languages?
[06:26] <mdz> or the rest of the desktop?
[06:26] <mdz> if so, it's worth it, if not, not
[06:27] <Kamion> slightly, but not much
[06:27] <Kamion> it's obvious that those fonts are missing, because Dzongkha is visible in the listbox at the very start
[06:27] <Kamion> (written in its native language which shows up as boxes)
[06:27] <mdz> if it isn't complete enough to go all the way through ubiquity, then I don't see the point of including it in the list
[06:27] <Kamion> ok. we should probably promote the fonts to main so that d-i installs have them
[06:28] <Kamion> (but maybe post-edgy now)
[06:28] <Kamion> I'll rip those languages out somehow, then
[06:28] <mdz> ok
[06:28] <mdz> Kamion: is the ubiquity bug situation manageable?
[06:28] <Kamion> yeah
[06:28] <mdz> have you processed the feedback from beta?
[06:28] <Kamion> I mean there are still a lot, but it's under control
[06:29] <Kamion> about 80% of it, I think
[06:29] <Kamion> was mostly just a few regressions; I've fixed all the ones I saw
[06:29] <mdz> ok
[06:29] <mdz> thanks Kamion
[06:29] <mdz> Riddell: next
[06:29] <Kamion> oh, and various people with keymap bugs
[06:29] <Riddell> done:
[06:29] <Riddell>  KDE 3.5.5 uploaded, Qt 4.2 packaged (I'd still like to see it in edgy, e-mailed mdz with further rationale), koffice 1.6 packaged (no changelog yet so I don't know if it's Edgy suitable)
[06:29] <Riddell> todo, bug fixing:
[06:29] <Riddell>  new guidance package to bring in a couple of fixes. adept has 1 critical bug. can we turn on mdns by default in libnss-mdns? need to check KDE CUPS support in 3.5.5 some people reporting problems. CKJ has an issue with the fonts.
[06:29] <mdz> Kamion: as in, bugs in the keymaps? or bugs in ubiquity?
[06:29] <Riddell>  these all have fairly simple fixes except adept
[06:29] <Riddell> also:
[06:30] <Riddell>  amarok 1.4.4 scheduled, very unlikely to be Edgy suitable though so I'll leave to others to package
[06:30] <Kamion> mdz: mostly console-setup keymap selection bugs, plus the lack of a keyboard variant selector in ubiquity (now fixed)
[06:30] <mdz> Riddell: haven't read email yet, but we need to draw a hard line on that stuff nowish.  given that qt 4.2 is already packaged separately for people who want it for kde development, I'd prefer not to risk updating our main Qt so late
[06:31] <Riddell> it's not our main qt
[06:31] <mdz> oh, did I misunderstand?
[06:32] <Riddell> it's only used by two apps in main
[06:32] <mdz> Riddell: which ones?
[06:32] <Riddell> the calculator and hwdb kde client
[06:32] <mdz> Riddell: ok then, if you test those thoroughly before upload, it's OK with me
[06:32] <mdz> Riddell: on multiple architectures
[06:32] <Riddell> thanks
[06:32] <Riddell> will do
[06:33] <mdz> Riddell: mdns?
[06:33] <Riddell> for zeroconf
[06:33] <Riddell> currently avahi isn't much use unless you edit nsswitch.conf by hand
[06:33] <Kamion> mdz: bug 65676
[06:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65676 in nss-mdns "Package should edit /etc/nsswitch.conf on install" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65676
[06:33] <mdz> I don't think we want to fiddle with that at this point; NSS touches an awful lot of stuff
[06:33] <Riddell> debian now does it in a postinstall script
[06:33] <mdz> oh, you mean only when the package is installed
[06:33] <Keybuk> Riddell: avahi works just fine without libnss-mdns
[06:34] <Riddell> yes
[06:34] <mdz> isn't nsswitch.conf a conffile?
[06:34] <Keybuk> you only need libnss-mdns for non-infrastructure link-local networks
[06:34] <Riddell> I believe it's not a conffile
[06:34] <mdz> I use avahi without libnss-mdns myself
[06:34] <pitti> mdz: it seems it's not a conffile
[06:34] <mdz> mizar:[~]  dpkg -s base-files |grep nsswitch
[06:34] <mdz>  /etc/nsswitch.conf 3114ea9cf2f3bd8d120b4da96e3832d5 obsolete
[06:34] <mdz> I believe it is
[06:34] <pitti> so, postinst hackery required
[06:34] <Keybuk> (which we should support, but it's not the end of the world if we don't for edgy... there's even an edgy+1 spec about it)
[06:34] <mdz> oh, 'obsolete'
[06:35] <mdz> I'm quite happy to defer that to edgy+1, when we'll tackle the whole business once and for all
[06:35] <Riddell> ok
[06:36] <mdz> we don't have a milestone for edgy+1 yet, but I've made a note about it
[06:37] <mdz> Riddell: have you talked with tkamppeter about the cups issues?
[06:37] <iwj> It would be nice to be able to target specs etc. to it, too.
[06:37] <tfheen> we should be better at using the milestone through the full release cycle.
[06:37] <tkamppeter> Riddell, which CUPS issues?
[06:37] <mdz> iwj: that'll happen when it's created in LP (soonish)
[06:37] <iwj> RSN TM :-).
[06:38] <Keybuk> iwj: specs should not be targeted until approved, no?
[06:38] <mdz> tfheen: yes, that should be added to the documentation
[06:38] <Riddell> mdz: not yet, they only appeared today or yesterday as people install kde 3.5.5.  since it worked fine when testing it should be a limited problem
[06:38] <mdz> Riddell: ok, please do
[06:38] <mdz> Riddell: you already know how to fix the cjk issue?
[06:38] <iwj> Keybuk: Well, yes, but if it's already approved and deferred it would be nice to be able to retarget to edgy+1 rather than just set it to `deferred'.
[06:38] <Riddell> and there's been some discussion on kde-packager on how to fix it that I need to catch up on
[06:38] <Keybuk> iwj: true, true
[06:39] <Keybuk> iwj: assuming the spec doesn't need rediscussion, of course
[06:39] <iwj> Keybuk: Right.
[06:39] <tkamppeter> Riddell, is it the problem again that KDE does not see the printers due to misinterpreteing the "Listen <domain socket>" in cupsd.conf?
[06:39] <Riddell> mdz: yes, they want default font changed from DejaVu to Sans, which I need to test but should come to the same thing for users
[06:39] <mdz> Riddell: what's the issue with adept? bug#?
[06:39] <Riddell> mdz: bug 62610
[06:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62610 in adept "impossible to manager repositories" [Unknown,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62610
[06:40] <mdz> Riddell: is that new with kde 3.5.5 or unrelated?
[06:40] <Riddell> mdz: it's unrelated
[06:40] <mdz> Riddell: that's a regression from dapper, right? any idea when it began?
[06:41] <Riddell> mdz: it is, it just needs persuaded to not disable the menu item, I've no idea what's causing it but I think it'll be easy to enough to fix even if it's just forcing it to be enabled
[06:41] <mdz> seems like it would have been noticed
[06:41] <mdz> ok
[06:41] <mdz> thanks Riddell
[06:41] <mdz> keescook: next
[06:41] <keescook> Done:
[06:41] <keescook>  * sbuild+schroot+lvm snapshot build environment finalized
[06:41] <keescook>  * security updates created and released: python2.3/all, python2.4/hoary,breezy, awstats/all, bind9/edgy, libmusicbrainz/all
[06:41] <keescook>  * edgy bug triage, including fixes: inkscape warning (63644), liferea crash (62863)
[06:41] <keescook>  * security reviews: keeping "unchecked" CVE list short, race fixes for 14392
[06:42] <keescook>  * security updates in universe: torrentflux, moodle
[06:42] <keescook>  * universe openssl 0.9.7->0.9.8 rebuilds issued for 24 packages
[06:42] <keescook> To do:
[06:42] <keescook>  * examine/release security updates for: libksba, slapd, xorg(minor race), 65615
[06:42] <keescook>  * fix remaining FTBFS or otherwise busted universe openssl 0.9.7->0.9.8 packages
[06:42] <keescook>  * more universe cleanups as suggested by dholbach
[06:42] <keescook> Edgy milestones:
[06:42] <keescook>  * None assigned; happy to take some on, but wasn't sure which to focus on
[06:42] <mdz> Riddell: (oh, also that konversation freeze exception request is still active also)
[06:42] <pitti> keescook successfully announced his very first USN yesterday!! *hug*
[06:42] <tfheen> keescook: I'll give you some bugs to fix if you're out of work.
[06:42] <mdz> Riddell: (bug 64488)
[06:42] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64488 in konversation "UVFe ( main ) for konversation 1.0 to 1.0.1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64488
[06:43] <mdz> Riddell: I assume you want it too?
[06:43] <imbrandon> mdz yes me and sho are updating it with some additiional info now
[06:43] <keescook> tfheen: I wouldn't say I'm OUT of work.  :)  but, sure, happy to work on milestone stuff.
[06:43] <tfheen> keescook :-)
[06:43] <Riddell> mdz: yes, it would be good to have
[06:43] <mdz> keescook: they're all assigned importance; that's a good prioritization guideline
[06:43] <mdz> Riddell: would be good to have, or is important for the release?
[06:44] <pitti> keescook: focus on the unassigned ones and grab those you feel comfortable with
[06:44] <keescook> mdz, pitti: okay
[06:44] <mdz> keescook: we'll review the bugs no one has claimed at the end of the meeting
[06:44] <pitti> ah, good
[06:44] <mdz> keescook: congratulations on your advisory
[06:44] <keescook> thanks!  :)
[06:44] <mdz> we'll find more work for you, fear not
[06:44] <mdz> thanks keescook
[06:45] <mdz> tfheen: next
[06:45] <tfheen> done: release management
[06:45] <tfheen> todo: more release management
[06:45] <tfheen> status: We're frozen, RC bug fixes are trickling in, but we're at a bit too high level.  Rebuilds are uncovering too many FTBFS bugs and I'm hassling people over the outdate list.  Those are going quite well.  Installation and upgrade testing is needed, but I'd like us to be a bit more stable before starting doing that in full.
[06:45] <pitti> now the only missing thing is jackass login, RT has been filed a while ago
[06:45] <Kamion> mdz: would you mind if I left at this point? I was hoping to have been out of here by 16:30 UTC, and my family are starting to get twitchy
[06:45] <mdz> mvo: we're still doing upgrade testing automatically, yes?
[06:45] <Riddell> mdz: it's important mostly to fix right to left language support, otherwise updated translations and bugfixes are just good to have
[06:45] <mdz> Kamion: ok, but please review the log after
[06:46] <Kamion> will do
[06:46] <Kamion> thanks
[06:46] <pitti> mvo: oh, we do? what do we test, desktop->desktop or main->main upgrade tests?
[06:46] <mvo> mdz: I do both, manual (to test the upgrader) and automatic
[06:46] <dholbach> tfheen: what do you mean by "a bit too high level"?
[06:46] <pitti> too many?
[06:46] <tfheen> dholbach: we have too many RC bugs compared to what I think we should have at this point.
[06:46] <mvo> pitti: currently only desktop->desktop , but the system is flexible enough to test other configurations too
[06:46] <mdz> tfheen: as I mentioned to sfllaw, I'll be drafting something around installation/cd testing today.  I'll mail you/sfllaw/Kamion for feedback on it
[06:46] <tfheen> mdz: thanks.
[06:47] <dholbach> tfheen: ok
[06:47] <Keybuk> tfheen: did you have much luck with the usplash bug?
[06:47] <Keybuk> mjg59 said you were looking at it?
[06:47] <mdz> tfheen: any issues with ReleaseCandidateProcess?
[06:47] <tfheen> Keybuk: the nvidia one?  No, it ends up in a loop somewhere deep in x86emu.
[06:48] <tfheen> Keybuk: fixing the segfault is trivial-ish.
[06:48] <Keybuk> tfheen: did we decide what to do about it?
[06:48] <tfheen> mdz: seems fine so far.
[06:48] <mdz> tfheen: is the timing about right for switching to manual cd builds?
[06:48] <tfheen> mdz: yes, I think so.
[06:48] <mjg59> keybuk: I'm going to have another shot at it at the weekend, and if not fall back to vga16 for amd64
[06:48] <mdz> (it's monday currently)
[06:48] <Keybuk> it's the infini-loop I'm vaguely concerned about, it's actually possible for it to halt the boot process entirely
[06:48] <Keybuk> on a single-cpu amd64, udev will wait for the load to go down before doing any processing
[06:48] <Keybuk> so it'll sit there forever
[06:48] <infinity> We may as well go manual now, given that the archive is also manual.
[06:49] <fschoep> (BTW Mark is alive now it seems)
[06:49] <tfheen> infinity: I don't care either way; I at least won't be able to do meaningful install/upgrade testing before we have most of the bits in.
[06:49] <mdz> changing cd builds to manual means that we need to remember to run one after things build, otherwise we're perpetually out of date
[06:49] <mdz> I'd almost say we should build more often during these times, so that we're more likely to be up-to-date
[06:49] <infinity> Fair point.  I'll keep the dailies on for now, then.
[06:50] <tfheen> leaving it on automatic until we have something with above 0-chance can be a candidate makes sense, IMO
[06:50] <mdz> Keybuk: is this bug 56587 or something else?
[06:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56587 in usplash "[edgy]  usplash segfaults" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/56587
[06:50] <Keybuk> mdz: yes, well, something that's a duplicate of that bug with entirely different symptoms
[06:50] <Keybuk> for many people, usplash doesn't segfault, but use 100% of the CPU
[06:50] <mdz> do we need to revert to vga16fb on amd64?
 keybuk: I'm going to have another shot at it at the weekend, and if not fall back to vga16 for amd64
[06:51] <tfheen> mdz: that's mjg59's backup solution.
[06:51] <mdz> ok
[06:51] <pitti> will the artwork cope with vga resolution?
[06:51] <kwwii> would we then include different artwork for that arch?
[06:51] <mdz> good question!
[06:51] <tfheen> we'll have to test that.
[06:51] <mdz> mjg59: is there a working fallback mechanism for that?
[06:52] <kwwii> I'll wait for someone to grab me by the ear, then
[06:52] <mjg59> mdz: It's a two-line change to the usplash init script
[06:53] <mdz> mjg59: I mean for the artwork
[06:53] <mjg59> As long as the artwork exists, yes
[06:53] <kwwii> the 240 fewer colors _will_ make a difference
[06:53] <fschoep> you think so?
[06:53] <mdz> fschoep,kwwii: does the artwork exist in the current packages in edgy for vga16?
[06:53] <fschoep> mdz: well, we still have Dappers, right?
[06:53] <fschoep> would fit right in
[06:53] <mdz> fschoep: I'm asking you
[06:53] <kwwii> mdz: I would need to work on making the current design work well in 16 colors
[06:54] <pitti> but we don't have the window with the text messages any more
[06:54] <pitti> or, rather, we don't have any messages for that window any more
[06:54] <mdz> kwwii: please do, we need to have that fallback
[06:54] <mdz> kwwii: or at least the dapper artwork
[06:54] <fschoep> mdz: yes, I think we can get some art for that
[06:54] <kwwii> mdz: it will look a bit different though...I wil say that now
[06:54] <kwwii> mdz: ok, will do
[06:54] <mdz> kwwii: we have little choice
[06:54] <kwwii> gotcha
[06:54] <mdz> ok, thanks tfheen
[06:54] <mdz> Keybuk: next
[06:55] <ogra> could i be notified what to do for edubuntu if thats implemented in ubuntu ?
[06:55] <mdz> ogra: the same
[06:55] <Keybuk> Bug #65063 - gettext doesn't support datarootdir - Done by uploading gettext 0.15
[06:55] <Keybuk> Bug #64499 - kill 1 in upstart postinst doesn't work in vmserver - Done, added || true
[06:55] <Keybuk> Bug #35004 - /proc/bus/usb missing - Done by bind-mounting /dev/bus/usb there and a symlink hack to make the devices file
[06:55] <Keybuk> Bug #61539 - /etc/inittab not migrated - Done, changes to ttys or commenting of shutdown command are migrated
[06:55] <Keybuk> Bug #64946 - ada sync requests - Done
[06:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65063 in gettext "Doesn't support datarootdir" [High,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65063
[06:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64499 in upstart "kill 1 in postinst does not work inside a vserver" [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64499
[06:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 35004 in sysvinit "USB devices are not shown in /procu/bus/usb/ causing VMWare to fail to see them" [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/35004
[06:56] <Keybuk> Bug #65674 - pychecker sync request from doko - Done
[06:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61539 in upstart "/etc/inittab (esp. ttys) not migrated to upstart jobs" [Wishlist,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61539
[06:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64946 in Ubuntu "sync requests / UVF exceptions (Ada packages in universe)" [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64946
[06:56] <Keybuk> Bug #64938 - diacanvas sync request from doko - Done
[06:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65674 in pychecker "sync request" [Undecided,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65674
[06:56] <Keybuk> Bug #64909 - duplicate uuids in fstab; seems to be caused by people having dd duplicates of drives, or by FAT having not-very-unique IDs - not yet done
[06:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64938 in diacanvas2 "sync request" [Undecided,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64938
[06:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64909 in udev "Duplicate UUIDs after Edgy update" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64909
[06:56] <mdz> Keybuk: is 64909 straightforward to fix?
[06:57] <Keybuk> nope
[06:57] <Keybuk> it's a total bastard
[06:57] <mdz> it's clearly a weird corner case, but it regresses seriously
[06:57] <Keybuk> /bin/sh lacks any form of hash table, or arrays, etc.
[06:57] <Keybuk> so discovering further down the file that you have a duplicate of something above it ... hard
[06:57] <mdz> we have more than just /bin/sh available though
[06:58] <mdz> no?
[06:58] <iwj> Keybuk: The shell variable namespace is a hash table.
[06:58] <tfheen> Keybuk: grep the file you're building or build fragments in a directory?
[06:58] <iwj> And not even that hard to use.
[06:58] <ogra> bash is still our default user shell ... so it should be available in any ubuntu, no ?
[06:58] <mdz> awk and perl are both around
[06:58] <Keybuk> mdz: converting the fstab migration to another language at this phase seems ... error-prone
[06:58] <iwj> Or you can do something like    case "$all_uuids_seen" in *" $this_uuid "*)
[06:59] <Keybuk> iwj: that was my vague plan
[06:59] <Keybuk> and iterate the file twice
[06:59] <mdz> Keybuk: I was thinking more to abort the migration entirely if we detect this scenario
[06:59] <Keybuk> first to build a list of uuids
[06:59] <Keybuk> and a second time to write out the file
[06:59] <mdz> Keybuk: since we can't hope to do much good by it anyway
[06:59] <Keybuk> mdz: those people will be fucked in edgy+1 ;)
[06:59] <iwj> Keybuk: Since you have to write out the file in a temp name anyway, you can do both at once.
[06:59] <Keybuk> we should at least let them know somehow that their system is not a very happy one
[06:59] <mdz> Keybuk: they'd be fucked anyway; we can't uniquely identify their filesystems
[07:00] <Keybuk> iwj: how would I rewind and delete an earlier line because the uuid has been discovered to be a duplicate?
[07:00] <iwj> Keybuk: OIC
[07:00] <Keybuk> mdz: but they should be at least informed of this ;)
[07:00] <mdz> Keybuk: right, so we only need to detect this situation, not convert the migration to another language
[07:01] <Keybuk> I did actually briefly consider extending vol_id to allow generation of a new uuid
[07:01] <Keybuk> so on finding a duplicate, we could hex-edit the filesystem to change the uuid to make it not duplicate
[07:01] <Keybuk> we do this already for swap partitions, after all ;)
[07:01] <iwj> Keybuk: Lovely, your users with multiple uuid-using OSs will be so pleased.
[07:01] <iwj> Even better when you have undetected multipath.
[07:02] <mdz> ok
[07:02] <iwj> mvo: You're already 140s late if you arrive at the appointment not.
[07:02] <mdz> thanks Keybuk
[07:02] <iwj> s/ not/ now
[07:02] <mdz> that seems to leave the following list of targeted bugs no one seems to own
[07:02] <mdz> bug 56365
[07:02] <mdz> bug 63729
[07:02] <mdz> bug 62135
[07:02] <mdz> bug 64594
[07:02] <mdz> bug 43531
[07:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56365 in xserver-xorg-video-i810 "X crashes on second resume from suspend-to-ram on Thinkpad X41" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/56365
[07:02] <mdz> bug 39275
[07:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63729 in yelp "translations patch to update from rosetta before edgy" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63729
[07:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62135 in mesa "Support for Intel 965 (GMA X3000) doesn't work" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62135
[07:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64594 in hubackup "[Edgy]  hurestore crashes on startup" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64594
[07:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43531 in linux-source-2.6.15 "Kernel isn't very useful without a boot loader, but doesn't depend on one" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/43531
[07:02] <mdz> bug 63553
[07:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39275 in gstreamer "AC3 videos sound WAY too soft" [Unknown,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39275
[07:02] <mdz> bug 64053
[07:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63553 in linux-source-2.6.17 "Ricoh R5C822 reader only works when booted with card inserted" [Medium,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63553
[07:02] <mdz> bug 64171
[07:02] <mdz> bug 63325
[07:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64053 in kde-guidance "does not recognize ibook as a laptop" [Medium,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64053
[07:02] <mdz> bug 64978
[07:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64171 in usplash "Colors look bad " [Medium,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64171
[07:02] <mdz> bug 65665
[07:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63325 in kde-systemsettings "systemsettings won't load the desktop_kde-systemsettings.mo translation in Edgy" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63325
[07:02] <mdz> bug 65675
[07:02] <mdz> bug 65676
[07:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64978 in kde-guidance "powermanager icon sometimes shows fully charged when not" [Undecided,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64978
[07:02] <mdz> scratch 43531
[07:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65665 in kdebase "Cups printing fails after update to kde-3.5.5" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65665
[07:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65675 in kdebase "system menu fails to load on start" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65675
[07:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65676 in nss-mdns "Package should edit /etc/nsswitch.conf on install" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65676
[07:03] <mdz> Riddell: 64053 is the guidance bug you mentioned?
[07:03] <Keybuk> mdz: 65676 should be deferred to edgy+1
[07:03] <ogra> isnt hurestore in universe ?
[07:03] <Riddell> mdz: yes, it's fixed in SVN, just needs an upload
[07:03] <mdz> Keybuk: yes, I did that and didn't update my notes
[07:03] <tfheen> mdz: bug 56365 is rodarvus?  Same goes for 62135 which seems to be fixed.  64594 is universe.
[07:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56365 in xserver-xorg-video-i810 "X crashes on second resume from suspend-to-ram on Thinkpad X41" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/56365
[07:03] <pitti> bug 63729 is owned by seb128, and it's not really critical any more
[07:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63729 in yelp "translations patch to update from rosetta before edgy" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63729
[07:04] <tfheen> mdz: benc claimed 43531 , 63553 is also a kernel bug.
[07:04] <tfheen> 64171 will be fixed with the next usplash upload.
[07:04] <tfheen> and I though 65676 was decided that we'll defer to 7.04?
[07:04] <mdz> Riddell: 65665 is the cups issue you mentioned?
[07:05] <mdz> Riddell: what about 65675?
[07:05] <Riddell> mdz: yes
[07:05] <pitti> Riddell: ping me if I can assist you with that
[07:05] <tkamppeter> I needed to hammer a lot on the responsible people to get bug 65665 fixed in Mandriva 2007. They told me that it was fixed upstream in KDE 3.5.3, and we have it in KDE 3.5.5? Strange.
[07:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65665 in kdebase "Cups printing fails after update to kde-3.5.5" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65665
[07:05] <Ubugtu> Mandriva bug 2007 in Installation "Switching to alternate screens during install crashes X" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  http://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2007
[07:05] <Riddell> mdz: I think 65675 is fixed in kde 3.5.5, I just need to try a CD build to confirm
[07:05] <mdz> dholbach: do you know anything about bug 39275?
[07:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39275 in gstreamer "AC3 videos sound WAY too soft" [Unknown,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39275
[07:05] <tkamppeter> bug 65675
[07:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65675 in kdebase "system menu fails to load on start" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65675
[07:05] <keescook> 39275 is universe, too.
[07:06] <Keybuk> mdz: it says fixed released? :)
[07:06] <mdz> keescook: yeah, but it matters ;-)
[07:06] <mdz> Keybuk: released upstream
[07:06] <mdz> too much for ubugtu's simple brain
[07:06] <Keybuk> heh
[07:07] <keescook> I can take on tracking down the fix for 39275.
[07:07] <mdz> bug 62135 looks like it should have an upload waiting in the queue
[07:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62135 in mesa "Support for Intel 965 (GMA X3000) doesn't work" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62135
[07:07] <dholbach> mdz: no, not at all - will try to get som input on it
[07:08] <mdz> hmm, actually it's already accepted
[07:08] <mdz> so I'll mark that fix released
[07:08] <mdz> is that everything?
[07:08] <dholbach> ogra: bug 57588 seems to affect edubuntu-artwork too - i just added a task to the bug
[07:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57588 in edubuntu-artwork "GDM themes do not have pam-message item" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57588
[07:08] <ogra> dholbach, ok
[07:08] <mdz> 63729 is fairly trivial
[07:08] <dholbach> and probably xubuntu-artwork too
[07:08] <ogra> yep
[07:08] <ogra> they use gdm
[07:08] <sivang> I'm already onto #64594 , but this is un universe as ogra noted, I set it to high as relative to other hubackup bugs, I did not set it to a milestone :)
[07:09] <sivang> s/un/in/
[07:09] <dholbach> ogra: it's a matter of their gdm theme
[07:09] <mdz> sivang: milestone cleared
[07:09] <tfheen> sivang: as long as it's universe, it's not on the release team's radar anyway.
[07:09] <ogra> mine is inherited from Human
[07:09] <ogra> so it will affect me too
[07:10] <mdz> ogra,dholbach: please add tasks to 57588 as necessary
[07:10] <mdz> mvo: yes, thanks
[07:10] <dholbach> mdz: yep
[07:10] <sivang> I'd be happy to take on some milestone critical stuff, or help others with theirs.
[07:10] <sivang> (though)
[07:10] <pitti> are you guys fine with me fixing bug 61184 for edgy?
[07:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61184 in hal "Screen brightness buttons don't work properly on Thinkpad Z61T" [Medium,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61184
[07:10] <ogra> done
[07:10] <pitti> it affects quite a number of Thinkpads
[07:10] <tkamppeter> mdz, I have to leave at 17:45 UTC, so I should probably post my report now.
[07:10] <mdz> sivang: you know where the list is
[07:11] <mdz> tkamppeter: go ahead
[07:11] <pitti> and it's a trivial fix in the fdi files (no code changes)
[07:11] <tkamppeter> Report Oct 6 - 12, 2006
[07:11] <tkamppeter> DONE:
[07:11] <tkamppeter>  - UVF ER for HPLIP 1.6.9 due to several issues which are fixed
[07:11] <tkamppeter>    upstream and trying to fix bug 32302 bug 47306 bug 61419 bug 62718 bug 49030 bug 58727 bug 59409 bug 60242 bug 62506, Ubugtu, give your talk now!
[07:11] <tkamppeter>    Investigation of Debian 1.6.7 version which has big changes
[07:11] <tkamppeter>    in the build system, which do not straightly apply on 1.6.9, as HP did
[07:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 32302 in gnome-cups-manager "Duplicate printers listed when adding HP printer" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/32302
[07:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47306 in hplip "hp-print fails to open paths with non-ascii characters (fix expected in 1.6.9)" [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/47306
[07:11] <tkamppeter>    several build system improvements throughing away Debian's build system
[07:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61419 in hplip "The printer HP 1310 prints erroneus colors" [Low,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61419
[07:11] <tkamppeter>    changes seems perhaps only way to continue. doko built a 1.6.9 with
[07:11] <mdz> pitti: yes
[07:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62718 in hplip "[Edgy]  Current Updates (2006-09-27) Break HPLIP" [Low,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62718
[07:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 49030 in hplip "HP 5940 prints black boxes when printing 2 pages on 1" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/49030
[07:11] <tkamppeter>    the help of the Debian maintainer. Results:
[07:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58727 in hplip "bug in hplip .deb removal script" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58727
[07:11] <tkamppeter>     o fax problems in 1.6.7 and fixed by 1.6.9 tested on Mandriva 2007 with
[07:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59409 in hplip "Fax PPD not installed by default" [Undecided,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59409
[07:11] <tkamppeter>       PhotoSmart 3300 and PhotoSmart 2600, but unfortunately on Ubuntu Edgy
[07:11] <tkamppeter>       the fax problems did not disappear, faxing does not work with both
[07:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60242 in hplip "Removing hplip encounters errors: scanner group not empty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60242
[07:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62506 in gnome-cups-manager "Incorrectly Detects HP Fax device" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62506
[07:11] <tkamppeter>       1.6.7 and 1.6.9. Debian package has very big patches on the build
[07:11] <sivang> mdz: will do.
[07:11] <tkamppeter>       system, probably it is really messed up.
[07:11] <Ubugtu> Mandriva bug 2007 in Installation "Switching to alternate screens during install crashes X" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  http://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2007
[07:11] <tkamppeter>     o Printer setup programs show always a fax device under the
[07:11] <tkamppeter>       auto-detected printers, independent whether there is an
[07:11] <tkamppeter>       appropriate printer connected or not (bug 62506, fixed).
[07:11] <tkamppeter>     o Fax PPD in wrong-sub-package, moved to hpijs (bug 59409, fixed)
[07:11] <tkamppeter>     o hp-print fails to open paths with non-ascii characters (bug 47306,
[07:11] <tkamppeter>       fixed according to HP)
[07:11] <tkamppeter>     o hplip unable to find and connect to network printers (bug 60125,
[07:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60125 in hplip "hplip unable to find and connect to network printers" [Undecided,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60125
[07:11] <tkamppeter>       "hp-probe -b net" finally works)
[07:11] <tkamppeter> - Answered to bug reports
[07:11] <tkamppeter> TODO:
[07:12] <tkamppeter> - What decision was made on including PostScript PPDs (bug 39847)?
[07:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39847 in ubuntu-meta "ubuntu-desktop should depend on linuxprinting.org-ppds for PostScript PPDs" [Medium,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39847
[07:12] <tkamppeter> - Should we fix automatic firmware upload on cheapo HP lasers (setting
[07:12] <tkamppeter>   some links in foo2zjs package, bug 65618 and bug 6017)?
[07:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65618 in foo2zjs "Package broken/incomplete, missing firmware files" [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65618
[07:12] <tkamppeter> - More test on getting fax with HPLIP really working?
[07:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 6017 in dapper-backports "Update to latest package to make HP LaserJet 1020 work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6017
[07:12] <tkamppeter> - (On the Printing Summit) Talk with the HPLIP developers about Debian and
[07:12] <tkamppeter>   Ubuntu in their testing schemes, as it seems that there are problems with
[07:12] <mdz> tkamppeter: so the end result is that 1.6.9 seems stable?
[07:12] <tkamppeter>   integration of HPLIP into these distros.
[07:12] <tkamppeter> EDGY MILESTONE BUGS (printing issues, according to bug subject, all "Fix Released for Edgy):
[07:12] <tkamppeter> - Bug 46595
[07:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 46595 in hplip "hplip fails to launch when installing" [High,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/46595
[07:12] <tkamppeter> - Bug 57445
[07:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57445 in foomatic-filters "Printing not possible with line break or mis-interpreted encoding in job title" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57445
[07:12] <tkamppeter> - Bug  6017
[07:12] <tkamppeter> - Bug 44196
[07:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44196 in cupsys "gnome-cups-icon uses 100% CPU" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/44196
[07:12] <tkamppeter> - Bug 62198
[07:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62198 in cupsys "[Edgy]  cups-included PPDs found twice" [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62198
[07:12] <tkamppeter> But this does not m
[07:12] <tkamppeter> But this does not mean that the printing system is perfect in Edgy :(
[07:12] <tkamppeter> ADDITIONAL REMARKS:
[07:12] <tkamppeter> - Before release I am only available next week, the week afterwards I am on the FSG OpenPrinting Summit http://www.freestandards.org/en/OpenPrinting/SummitLexington (and if all works as planned, Edgy+1 will perhaps be the first distro with auto-download of printer drivers from the internet).
[07:12] <tkamppeter> poor Ubugtu ...
[07:12] <tkamppeter> Yes, but we did not get the fax working. This will remain for an official Edgy update.
[07:13] <mdz> tkamppeter: regarding bug 39847, ubuntu-desktop depends on linuxprinting.org-ppds, as you should be able to see
[07:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39847 in ubuntu-meta "ubuntu-desktop should depend on linuxprinting.org-ppds for PostScript PPDs" [Medium,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39847
[07:13] <mdz> this was updated last week
[07:13] <tfheen> mdz: not any more, it was erronously added by Scott
[07:13] <tfheen> (due to a miscommunication)
[07:13] <tkamppeter> So this means that all the PPDs are available on the CD. Great!
[07:13] <pitti> that package isn't split yet, but that should happen for the release, should it not?
[07:14] <tfheen> I moved it to supported again.
[07:14] <pitti> or that
[07:14] <tkamppeter> What did you through over board to gain the space?
[07:14] <mdz> is it a regression from dapper?
[07:14] <tfheen> no, it's universe in dapper
[07:14] <mdz> tkamppeter: is the fax issue a regression from dapper?
[07:15] <tkamppeter> No, the HPLIP 0.9.x from Dapper did not support fax.
[07:15] <tfheen> I'd prefer to have a split package ppds package with the most common and let the rest of the space be filled by langpacks.
[07:15] <mdz> ok then
[07:15] <pitti> tfheen++
[07:15] <mdz> tkamppeter: what are the remaining issues in edgy which cause you to say it is not perfect?
[07:16] <mdz> tkamppeter: I think it is too late to fix the firmware upload issue; doesn't that require automatic downloading of firmware from the web?
[07:16] <mdz> since it is not redistributable?
[07:16] <tkamppeter> Missing faxing, many small driver packages not in the distro (splix, Epson EPL-L, ...)
[07:17] <tkamppeter> The missing driver problem will be solved by my FSG OpenPrinting efforts.
[07:18] <tkamppeter> gnome-cups-manager unmaintained (I suggest replacing by printerdrake in Edgy+1)
[07:18] <tkamppeter> Still some duplicate display of same driver (can later be solved by Foomatic or printerdrake)
[07:19] <mdz> dholbach: has there been any feedback on the bluez stack update, good or bad?
[07:19] <dholbach> mdz: good, just the kde pairing issue
[07:19] <mdz> dholbach: regression or no?
[07:19] <dholbach> mdz: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bluetooth/TestPlan
[07:19] <tkamppeter> With not perfect I am comparing Edgy with Mandriva 2007, but on Mandriva I have worked for five years, on Edgy only for 1.5 months ...
[07:19] <Ubugtu> Mandriva bug 2007 in Installation "Switching to alternate screens during install crashes X" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  http://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2007
[07:20] <tkamppeter> Ubugtu, 2007 is the version number, shut up !!!
[07:20] <dholbach> mdz: the stack changed, kde does have the necessary bits only in kdebluetooth svn
[07:20] <mdz> Ubugtu: hahah
[07:20] <mdz> dholbach: argh
[07:20] <tfheen> can we please continue the discussion on #u-devel?  We're way overtime already.
[07:20] <mdz> dholbach: bug#?
[07:20] <dholbach> mdz: so we're working on a workaround with kmobiletools upstream
[07:20] <dholbach> it works for him and I need to test
[07:21] <mdz> any other business for the meeting?
[07:21] <dholbach> bug 56651
[07:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56651 in bluez-utils "Impossible to do pairing in Kubuntu" [Unknown,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/56651
[07:21] <dholbach> oh, somebody set to fix released
[07:21] <dholbach> nice :)
[07:21] <mdz> dholbach: upstream
[07:21] <dholbach> ah!
[07:21] <dholbach> alright
[07:21] <mdz> ok, not hearing any other business, adjourned
[07:21] <mdz> thanks all
[07:21] <mdz> fabbione: you're mine for 2 minutes
[07:21] <pitti> *phew*
[07:21] <pitti> thanks all
[07:21] <Riddell> dholbach: only fixed in debian
[07:21] <fschoep> thanks
[07:21] <fabbione> mdz: ok..
[07:21] <dholbach> see you /me -> fresh air
[07:21] <infinity> Given that it's nearly 3:30am, and I've been working since 7am yesterday, I may end up sleeping in a tad (or a lot) tomorrow.
[07:21] <dholbach> Riddell: yep
[07:21] <tkamppeter> The firmware download from the web works manually issued by the "webget" utility of foo2zjs, the problem is that our foo2zjs package is not setting some links for the UDEV script. The upstream "make install" is rather broken, on Mandriva I have completely replaced it by manual commands.
[07:21] <kwwii> thanks all
[07:21] <infinity> I don't imagine there are any objections?
[07:22] <tkamppeter> mdz, are you still there?
[07:22] <mdz> tkamppeter: yes, but having many conversations now
[07:23] <tkamppeter> mdz, I think I have answered your questions now, do you still need anything from me?
[07:26] <mdz> tkamppeter: since the firmware download is manual anyway, I don't see what value we get out of the symlinks, but if you subscribe me to the bug I will have a look and comment
[07:28] <tkamppeter> mdz, the problem is that the firmware, once downloaded from the web to the PC, must be uploaded from the PC to the printer EVERY TIME WHEN THE PRINTER IS TURNED ON, the printer has nor ROM or NVRAM.
[07:29] <tkamppeter> mdz, to make it some cents cheaper.
[07:30] <tfheen> tkamppeter: dude, no need to shout.
[07:30] <mdz> tkamppeter: I don't see why we need symlinks; surely we can just adjust the udev rule to point to the correct binary
[07:30] <tkamppeter> mdz, the UDEV rules and the links make a script being triggered whenever the printer is turned on and this script uploads the firmware from the PC into the printer.
[07:30] <mdz> tkamppeter: please review the udev rule with Keybuk and see if we can get that part fixed
[07:31] <tkamppeter> The links are needed because the script recognizes by its name which model the printer is.
[07:31] <tkamppeter> Keybuk, mdz, I will subscribe you to the bugs.
[07:35] <tkamppeter> Subscribed Keybuk and mdz to bug 65618 and bug 6017, can you please check whether you are really subscribed?
[07:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65618 in foo2zjs "Package broken/incomplete, missing firmware files" [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65618
[07:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 6017 in dapper-backports "Update to latest package to make HP LaserJet 1020 work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6017
[10:22] <stgraber> @schedule Zurich
[10:22] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Zurich: 17 Oct 14:00: Community Council | 17 Oct 17:00: LoCo | 18 Oct 14:00: Edubuntu | 20 Oct 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 24 Oct 22:00: Technical Board | 25 Oct 22:00: Edubuntu
[10:31] <MagicFab> @schedule Montreal
[10:31] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Montreal: 17 Oct 08:00: Community Council | 17 Oct 11:00: LoCo | 18 Oct 08:00: Edubuntu | 19 Oct 19:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 24 Oct 16:00: Technical Board | 25 Oct 16:00: Edubuntu