[12:00] <HaRDaWaY> hi
[12:00] <paulsth> LarstiQ, great! I'll look at the docs
[12:00] <geppy> LarstiQ:  Any ideas?  I rebuilt the module, to no avail.
[12:00] <HrdwrBoB> squeaky: ah
[12:00] <Agamotto> LarstiQ:  Know anything about the Dlink USB devices?
[12:00] <ALTF4osu> hmm... wireless.. another q about using ndiswrapper for wireless access
[12:00] <squeaky> HrdwrBoB: yea :'-(
[12:01] <saif> ok thanx, one more thing, in order to get xine to output sound, i change a value in the configuration the audio src from osssc ( or somethn like that ) to alse, coz there obviously is somethn wrong with oss too, and now the sound is working, what i want to change now, is the mixer shortcut in the panel, the one there now says i don't have any soundcards! but alsa mixer is working fine!
[12:01] <LarstiQ> Agamotto: http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html.gz
[12:01] <gort_> what is the deal in getting *.wmv files (windows codecs) to play in gstreamer/totem?
[12:01] <bluefoxicy> damnit gstreamer!
[12:01] <geppy> gort:  Use the marillat repository's "w32codecs"
[12:02] <Agamotto> You have to apt-get 'w32codecs' if memory serves, from the universe servers
[12:02] <shock> hoyas... is evoltion ****ed for anyone else running hoary?
[12:02] <LarstiQ> Agamotto: I once ordered a Linksys card which was ok for revisions 1 to 3, but in revision 4 Linksys changed the hardware without changing the model, nicely tripped me up
[12:02] <LarstiQ> geppy: can't think of anything right now :/
[12:02] <geppy> LarstiQ:  Alright, thanks.
[12:02] <bluefoxicy> LarstiQ:  DLink DWL 650 revision P based on the adm8211 chipset instead of the prism54 or omincron chipset
[12:02] <HrdwrBoB> LarstiQ: yeah they'll do that
[12:03] <bluefoxicy> I have one.
[12:03] <Agamotto> Linux Format recommended the Dlink Airplus stuff, and nada
[12:03] <LarstiQ> Agamotto: so, that could be easily the case for you too
[12:03] <ALTF4osu> wow... i'm so clueless ... any good online books for people to learn linux commands, etc?
[12:03] <squeaky> umm...
[12:03] <bluefoxicy> LarstiQ:  what I want is my netgear usb prism54 based wifi to work :)
[12:03] <HrdwrBoB> LarstiQ: like the netgear FA310TX which was a tulip and the FA311TX which was a giant pile of garbage and an entirely different chipset
[12:03] <LarstiQ> heya bluefoxicy :)
[12:03] <bluefoxicy> hi :)
[12:03] <bluefoxicy> LarstiQ: wine dude right?  :)
[12:03] <LarstiQ> bluefoxicy: that, and #demoscene
[12:03] <bluefoxicy> LarstiQ:  heh
[12:04] <bitfoo> <- beer dude :|
[12:04] <LarstiQ> HrdwrBoB: uh huh
[12:04] <Agamotto> Wierd thing is that the Device manager under Ubuntu knows what it is, but can't seem to do anything with it
[12:04] <bluefoxicy> LarstiQ:  I've been interested in ubuntu because 1) it's clean looking and 2) the devs are receptive
[12:04] <bitfoo> you mean gnome is clean looking?
[12:04] <Ng> Agamotto: calling that a "manager" is really stretching things, all it does is display devices ;)
[12:04] <njan> Agamotto, the Device Manager recognising it just means that it sees the hardware and can identify it; it doesn't mean that the kernel has a driver for it
[12:04] <LarstiQ> Agamotto: does it show up in iwconfig output?
[12:04] <squeaky> HrdwrBoB: any ideas?
[12:04] <bluefoxicy> so I've been watching and hoping the hardened debian project can get some real work done and get these guys secured; so far a few devs seem up for it ;)  I like this distro
[12:05] <mebaran151> anybody able to explain how to setup a securely firewalled ftp server
[12:05] <bluefoxicy> LarstiQ:  of course, right now I'm beating gstreamer trying to make rhythmbox play to my desktop
[12:05] <Agamotto> LarstiQ:  No, it doesn't show up in iwconfig
[12:05] <HrdwrBoB> mebaran151: haha
[12:05] <mebaran151> yeah
[12:05] <bitfoo> :|
[12:05] <mebaran151> I set up an ftp server
[12:05] <bluefoxicy> because I have music on my laptop that's 8 gigs wide
[12:05] <bluefoxicy> and 2 gigs free on my desktop.
[12:05] <mebaran151> but it sort of didnt feel very secure
[12:05] <bitfoo> did you install gstreamer0.8-plugins
[12:05] <mebaran151> HrdwrBoB: that is not very nice
[12:05] <HrdwrBoB> mebaran151: sorry
[12:05] <LarstiQ> Agamotto: ok, first thing would be to figure out if there is support for that piece of hardware at all, the adapter page I pasted is fairly comprehensive
[12:05] <HrdwrBoB> FTP is inherently not really a 'secure' protocol
[12:06] <mebaran151> HrdwrBoB: just kidding with you
[12:06] <bluefoxicy> bitfoo: yes but gstreamer-properties doesn't give me ip address config or any hints
[12:06] <mebaran151> I know that very well
[12:06] <bluefoxicy> bitfoo:  and there's no NAS target
[12:06] <HrdwrBoB> but in any case, if all it's running is FTP
[12:06] <HrdwrBoB> a firewall isn't about to change the secureness of it
[12:06] <bitfoo> oh you want to stream it remotely?
[12:06] <bluefoxicy> yeah
[12:06] <bitfoo> ohh
[12:06] <bluefoxicy> I want to strema to ESD or NAS on my desktop
[12:06] <bitfoo> i didnt know you could do that :|
[12:06] <mebaran151> HrdwrBoB: not really
[12:06] <neighborlee> anyone know about how long ubuntuguide.org is to be offline ?
[12:06] <Agamotto> Ok, bbiab
[12:06] <mebaran151> it is also my desktop
[12:06] <bluefoxicy> ESD and NAS let you
[12:06] <mebaran151> this is my do everythign comp
[12:06] <bluefoxicy> but I don't know if gstreamer can do it
[12:06] <bitfoo> thats awesome :|
[12:06] <HrdwrBoB> mebaran151: I meant in terms of open ports
[12:06] <mebaran151> oh yeah
[12:07] <bluefoxicy> gstreamer has an esd plugin
[12:07] <Br34ch> /home/John/Desktop/LDP-Author-Guide.ps.gz <--I saved this .. guide there. Someone please tell me how I can extract it so I can view it . . . ? :s
[12:07] <bluefoxicy> and a NAS one apparently, though ubuntu doesn't have it
[12:07] <mebaran151> I woudl probably just leave port 80 and port 21 open
[12:07] <mebaran151> but how do I configure that in iptables
[12:07] <mebaran151> I never have really done this sort of thing in Linux
[12:07] <bitfoo> gunzip LDP-Author-Guide.ps.gz
[12:07] <bitfoo> :|
[12:07] <mebaran151> done it in windows
[12:07] <mebaran151> I dlled proftp
[12:07] <elJo-> mebaran151: i'd go for shorewall as firewall and vsftpd as ftp server
[12:08] <mebaran151> I never got the difference between all the ftp servers
[12:08] <king_arthur> bitfoo: that looks like postscript printer file
[12:08] <AndyR> hi all
[12:08] <bitfoo> ohh
[12:08] <mirsad> hi AndyR, hi all
[12:08] <bitfoo> :|
[12:08] <HrdwrBoB> mebaran151: there's not a huge difference realistically
[12:09] <kent> is there some one who knows how to use phpwiki and can help me with the photoalbum plugin, outside this channel?
[12:09] <bluefoxicy> LarstiQ:  you want something entertaining?
[12:09] <AndyR> MacPlusG3, ubuntu running on the g3?
[12:09] <Br34ch> I'm a nub.. trying linux for the first time. thanks bitfoo
[12:09] <bitfoo> ;]
[12:09] <elJo-> mebaran151: vsftpd stands for "very secure"... exageration or not, kernel.org seem to like it ;)
[12:09] <Br34ch> The browsing syntax is a little bit confusing to me . . . be default, it seeks default and you don't have to mention any dir's?
[12:09] <squeaky> anyone?
[12:10] <mirsad> i installed ubuntu for the first time and the mouse doesn't work
[12:10] <mebaran151> elJo-: are there any gui tools to set it up
[12:10] <bitfoo> you should just ftp through ssh tunnels if you are worried about security ;|
[12:10] <mebaran151> and how do I deal with shorewall
[12:10] <HrdwrBoB> elJo-: vsftpd also has a 'run after upload' script, which is why I've used it
[12:10] <mebaran151> never used it before
[12:10] <LarstiQ> bluefoxicy: entertaining?
[12:10] <bitfoo> or maybe require ssl? :(
[12:10] <nevyn> bitfoo: sftp scp vpns and whatever insecure crap you like.
[12:10] <bluefoxicy> LarstiQ:  google for 'peter guttman "sound wave"' and click I'm Feeling Lucky
[12:10] <elJo-> mebaran151: i don't know. if you're completely new to firewalls (and don't want to know much more than you do know :) than it's probably a bit too complex
[12:11] <LarstiQ> bluefoxicy: ah yes, I know that one
[12:11] <bluefoxicy> :)
[12:11] <bitfoo> nevyn, ?
[12:11] <elJo-> mebaran151: i just happen to like it, that's why i mentioned it ;)
[12:11] <bluefoxicy> LarstiQ: then try 'French military victories'
[12:11] <mebaran151> elJo-: I am at the moment impartial
[12:11] <nevyn> bitfoo: nm
[12:11] <mebaran151> I have only run Windows ftp
[12:11] <bitfoo> :|
[12:11] <mebaran151> for the hell of it
[12:12] <mebaran151> how do I set up shorewall first of all
[12:12] <elJo-> mebaran151: i believe there's a simpler one.. wait a sec
[12:12] <AndyR> apt-get install gftp ?
[12:12] <LarstiQ> bluefoxicy: hehe
[12:12] <mebaran151> elJo-: I was using firestarter
[12:12] <geppy|away> LarstiQ:  I think I'll just give Agnula a try.  =)
[12:12] <mebaran151> but now that I have a server running off this machine I doubt it will be sufficient
[12:12] <bluefoxicy> yay
[12:12] <elJo-> mebaran151: aah yes, that's the one :)
[12:12] <bluefoxicy> it took 3 days but i Got all the ocremix torrents
[12:13] <LarstiQ> bluefoxicy: woha
[12:13] <LarstiQ> bluefoxicy: but, now you have to keep up
[12:13] <mebaran151> elJo-: shorewall?
[12:13] <bitfoo> wtf it takes forever to recompile the kernel :|
[12:13] <mebaran151> I was using the ipmasq pkg
[12:13] <elJo-> mebaran151: it should be. just block everything but port 21
[12:13] <bluefoxicy> LarstiQ:  did you read the tag on Megaman X AIrbased?
[12:14] <christor> Is someone has an idea how listen mms url (streaming radio) on ubuntu using a proxy?
[12:15] <elJo-> mebaran151: make sure to check for security updates regularly. apt-get is your friend :)
[12:15] <LarstiQ> bluefoxicy: no?
[12:15] <bluefoxicy> LarstiQ:  original composer="Some god at Capcom"
[12:15] <elJo-> mebaran151: firestarter really should suffice.
[12:16] <saif> i just tred ejecting a cd, i got aan error message saying the it was a wrong argument, now the desktop icon disappeared, but the cd is still inside, and i can't remove it! how do i eject it form the shell?
[12:16] <elJo-> saif: eject
[12:16] <saif> elJo: unable to eject: Invalid Argument
[12:17] <saif> elJo: that is the message i get!
[12:17] <Agamotto> Turn off the computer, and use a paper clip
[12:17] <bitfoo> :|
[12:17] <elJo-> saif: try mount
[12:17] <Agamotto> and then umount
[12:17] <geppy|away> saif:  eject /dev/cdrom
[12:17] <elJo-> Agamotto: exactly :)
[12:17] <saif> Agamotto: thanx, but i am sure there a normal way to do it!
[12:18] <Agamotto> siaf:  you use the word normal as if it applies to Linux
[12:18] <elJo-> saif: with linux, there is no "normal way" ;))
[12:18] <elJo-> Agamotto: :)
[12:18] <bitfoo> they mean there are no standards :|
[12:18] <bluefoxicy> with linux there's no way to do anything
[12:18] <bluefoxicy> then God conceived a child of a virgin and named him 'root'
[12:19] <bluefoxicy> root proceeded to show people the way and the light, by installing programs like rhythmbox and abiword and gnome
[12:19] <Agamotto> bluefoxicy:  Just as I can accept that God said 'Let there be light!,' hence the big bang
[12:19] <elJo-> bitfoo: TMTOWTDI :)
[12:19] <Br34ch> bitfoo: if the extension is something like .tar.gz.. ? I'd still have to do the same thing?
[12:19] <bitfoo> no
[12:19] <saif> elJo: not good! i tried what every asked me but the paper clip thingie, mount and unmounting didn't do it, even mounting ejecting, doesn't do it! should i really use a paper clip?!?
[12:19] <bluefoxicy> Agamotto: God said, "This'll be cool."  Then he lit the Big Cherry Bomb and ran
[12:20] <bitfoo> tar.gz is "tar <options> filename"
[12:20] <rempresent> ok
[12:20] <bitfoo> like usually tar xzf or something
[12:20] <elJo-> saif: mount tells you it's still mounted?
[12:20] <rempresent> i am having ftp server set up problems
[12:20] <Agamotto> saif:  Yep, option of the last resort, but please make sure you turn off the system first, as it can turn your disc into a violent frisbee
[12:20] <bitfoo> do man tar to learn more :|
[12:20] <rempresent> how to make the address of my ftp different from my ip address
[12:20] <bitfoo> elJo-, wtf was that lol :|
[12:20] <saif> nop, mount mounts it!!
[12:20] <bluefoxicy> Br34ch: zcat foo.tar.gz | tar x
[12:20] <Br34ch> bitfoo: It's a simply html.tar.gz.. how do the options go about?
[12:20] <saif> and i get the icon back on the desktop!
[12:20] <elJo-> bitfoo: perl's mantra
[12:21] <Agamotto> Hrm, then umount should unmount it and allow eject
[12:21] <rempresent> whoever has an ftp server and would liek to help me pm me
[12:21] <elJo-> saif: no, just type "mount" :)
[12:21] <elJo-> saif: it'll tell you if and where it is mounted
[12:21] <saif> Agamatto: i guess there is no should in linux!
[12:21] <bitfoo> soo
[12:21] <bitfoo> tar -xzf html.tar.bz
[12:21] <bitfoo> gz*
[12:21] <elJo-> saif: linux is illusion.
[12:21] <Br34ch> LDP-Author-Guide.html.tar.gz  <-- How would the options differ to begin with? What is needed to be true to tweak through the options?
[12:21] <Agamotto> siaf:  For most things, no
[12:21] <Br34ch> Got it
[12:21] <mebaran151> also
[12:21] <bitfoo> or double click in gnome and extract from fileroller
[12:21] <bitfoo> or right click and "Extract here"
[12:21] <bitfoo> :|
[12:22] <saif> elJo:   i got a list of mounted stuff, but the cdrom isn't one of them
[12:22] <mebaran151> anyone had success with the nforce 3
[12:22] <Shanachien1> Hey all - anyone here run an install on a 12" Powerbook G4, using the latest Ubuntu Live release?
[12:22] <elJo-> saif: no /media/cdrom* ?
[12:22] <saif> eljo: nop!
[12:22] <liquidboy> hey, ive just installed xp in my 1st partition, and am wanting to transfer files from ubuntu to windows, hwo do i get write permission (im using the live cd, cos xp stuffed up grub)
[12:22] <elJo-> saif: interesting.
[12:23] <Agamotto> Shanachien1:  I would assume that install on a Mac would require Yellow Dog linux
[12:23] <HrdwrBoB> no
[12:23] <elJo-> saif: but you see the icon on your desktop?
[12:23] <HrdwrBoB> not at all
[12:23] <Shanachien1> Agamotto - hmm I don't think so...
[12:23] <bitfoo> i dont think you can write to ntfs partitions, only read them
[12:23] <liquidboy> bugger
[12:23] <bitfoo> i think they have to be fat32 or fat16 to be able to write in win and linux
[12:23] <saif> elJO : for u it's interresting, no i don't c the icon on the dekstop, the icon disappereared whe i tried to eject!
[12:23] <liquidboy> oh right
[12:23] <Agamotto> I could be wrong, but that is the only flavour I have heard of for Macs
[12:23] <liquidboy> i wasnt a
[12:23] <Shanachien1> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-3.5-live/
[12:23] <Shanachien1> you can get it from there for PPC agamotto
[12:23] <liquidboy> i wasnt able to do do it with fat32 either
[12:24] <Agamotto> Coolies
[12:24] <Agamotto> I have learned something today
[12:24] <Shanachien1> Just oddly did not recognise most of the hardware
[12:24] <Shanachien1> which considering most G4 have identical hardware thought it would have... was wondering if anyone else had any joy iwth drivers etc..
[12:24] <elJo-> saif: and what does a "mount /media/cdrom0 && eject" do?
[12:24] <Shanachien1> (the issue being it is stuck at 640x480 res)
[12:24] <saif> elJo: i just remounted it, and when i typed mount i got /media/cdrom0
[12:24] <kbrooks_> is update-rc.d available on warty without universe repoistory?
[12:24] <bitfoo> liquidboy, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[12:24] <bitfoo> :|
[12:25] <elJo-> saif: and if you try to eject it now?
[12:25] <Agamotto> If you need to change res, try the ctrl-alt+/- key trick
[12:25] <Shanachien1> Agamotto - does that actually change the res, or just resize the windows?
[12:25] <bitfoo> now, maybe someone can answer me how long kernel compilation should take on a new machine :|
[12:25] <saif> elJo: unable to eject, last error: invalid argment
[12:25] <saif> elJo: and it umounts it!
[12:25] <Agamotto> Shanachien1:  Changes the res for X
[12:26] <kbrooks_> is update-rc.d available on warty without universe repoistory?
[12:26] <saif> elJo: paperclip??
[12:26] <elJo-> saif: what does eject -v tell you?
[12:26] <bitfoo> i dunno why i have all these scsi drivers compiling :|
[12:26] <Shanachien1> Agamotto: may try that then....
[12:26] <Agamotto> bitfoo:  Optimistically, 2hrs
[12:26] <bitfoo> ohh ok
[12:26] <bitfoo> i thought it took minutes
[12:26] <bitfoo> :|
[12:27] <kbrooks_> i need mplayer on ubuntu
[12:27] <elJo-> saif: before using the paperclip tho i'd try rebooting and pressing the button :)
[12:27] <kbrooks_> i need mplayer on ubuntu
[12:27] <kbrooks_> i need mplayer on ubuntu
[12:27] <kbrooks_> can anyone please help
[12:27] <geppy|away> kbrooks_:  Get XINE, and stop flooding.
[12:28] <saif> elJo: well, it tells me alot of stuff, i guess the interresint parts are that, /cdrom is a link to /media/cdrom0/ and that it is a multipartition( hdc) and the eject failed!
[12:28] <AndyR> gxine works nicely here
[12:28] <bitfoo> kbrooks_, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94
[12:28] <Agamotto> krbrooks_:  Have you added the universe servers to your synaptic/apt-get?
[12:28] <bitfoo> that will tell you how to get mplayer :|
[12:28] <elJo-> saif: ok, i give up.
[12:28] <saif> elJo: too bad though, i hate getting into such stuff, especially after getting really happy with it yesterday when apache and mysql started working, and i got the monodevlop and i thought everything is running fine!
[12:28] <Agamotto> I do have to state that I love apt-get over the rpm method
[12:29] <elJo-> saif: maybe it's just A Random Glitch (TM)
[12:29] <bitfoo> i think emerge might be best :|
[12:29] <bitfoo> or close to apt-get
[12:29] <liquidboy> the other thing, how do i reinstall grub (xp stuffed it up)
[12:29] <bitfoo> dunno :/
[12:29] <oscarian> liquidboy, do you have a boot disk?
[12:30] <bitfoo> i always had xp installed first :|
[12:30] <elJo-> saif: like, when my desktop icons of mounted cd drives vanished 5 mins ago. why? i have no idea.
[12:30] <saif> elJo: maybe! but that's one black point on ubuntu
[12:30] <liquidboy> bitfoo: ive got the install disc, and the live cd
[12:30] <bitfoo> i dunno :|
[12:30] <liquidboy> (myfriend gave me a copy, in the cardboard case thing)
[12:30] <saif> elJo : hehehe, maybe u didn't use them for a while and there is a timeout!
[12:30] <bitfoo> ask oscarian :|
[12:30] <Agamotto> saif:  It sometimes happens under Fedora as well
[12:30] <liquidboy> well, the main thing now is to get the files...
[12:30] <liquidboy> :P
[12:31] <bitfoo> the files are IN the computer!?!?!?
[12:31] <elJo-> saif: good theory. yet they didn't reappear as i remounted the disc :)
[12:31] <liquidboy> maybe ill have to plug in an external hard drive
[12:31] <liquidboy> yep
[12:31] <bitfoo> its from a movie hehe :|
[12:31] <liquidboy> i had win98 on the first partition, and linux on the 2nd. i moved all the files i wanted to keep from windows onto linux, installed windows...
[12:31] <bitfoo> zoolander :|
[12:31] <liquidboy> bitfoo... lol, i just realised that:p
[12:31] <saif> elJo: pitty my theory failed i guess!! success! i restarted and the cd is out!
[12:32] <elJo-> saif: and don't even get me started on trying to feed a large music collection to rhythmbox
[12:32] <rempresent> question
[12:32] <elJo-> saif: told you :)
[12:32] <liquidboy> i'm going to see if i can get windows to read my linux partition...
[12:32] <elJo-> rempresent: 42
[12:32] <liquidboy> ill probably be back to ask more questions :P
[12:32] <UZ1> hey. how do i install rpm packages with ubuntu, rpm commands don't work
[12:32] <rempresent> how do i copy the whole contents of a file, like a select all option, with the terminal
[12:32] <saif> elJo: i didn't like rhthembox, think xmms is much better!
[12:32] <oscarian> liquidboy, you have to boot in via the disc, then you have to edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst, er, then...lemee check
[12:33] <rempresent> 42?
[12:33] <oscarian> oh well
[12:33] <elJo-> saif: yes, but it's based on GTK 1.2 and that's like 5 years old... and it shows :)
[12:33] <elJo-> rempresent: cp
[12:33] <Agamotto> UZ1:  I believe there is something called 'alien' that does that
[12:33] <UZ1> yes
[12:33] <rempresent> cp (what command here?)
[12:34] <saif> elJo: well, at least it's wroking fine! window95 was built 10 years ago and it does't lock my cds!
[12:34] <saif> eljo: just crashes!
[12:34] <bitfoo> cant you jsut press the eject button :/
[12:35] <saif> bitfoo: nop u can't!
[12:35] <UZ1> i want to install an ATI rpm driver to ubuntu, i tryed  rpm -Uh --force fglrx_4_1_0 -8.8.25-1.i386.rpm and also tryed to convert it to .deb, but it dowsnt work
[12:35] <saif> bitfoo: to be more accurate, i couldn't!
[12:35] <elJo-> saif: :)
[12:35] <bitfoo> UZ1, why dont you install the ubuntu driver?
[12:35] <UZ1> because it doesnt support radeon 9800 pro
[12:35] <UZ1> only 9800
[12:35] <saif> elJo: you got ubuntu on a laptop?
[12:36] <Agamotto> Ahhh, because the card has newer features...
[12:36] <bitfoo> ihmm
[12:36] <elJo-> saif: back when i got a laptop, yes :)
[12:36] <bitfoo> thats the latest version though right?
[12:36] <bitfoo> its on the repositories i think :|
[12:36] <elJo-> saif: eh, had, not got
[12:36] <saif> elJO: so did u try using the tvout?! or the IR? those 2 things i haven't tried yet, should i try them?! or will i get disapointed?
[12:36] <bitfoo> OpenGL version string: 1.3.4769 (X4.3.0-8.8.25)
[12:37] <bitfoo> IR works i think but you might need some fiddling
[12:37] <elJo-> saif: tvout worked out of the box for me
[12:37] <elJo-> saif: but the laptop was an older one
[12:37] <bitfoo> how do you enable the tvout O______o
[12:37] <AndyR> i havent tried IR as i havent nneded it
[12:37] <elJo-> saif: SIR should be easy, but you only get 115 kBit with it
[12:38] <saif> elJo: aha, coz i thnkg this intel chipset viedo card is a bitch, what 115kBit?!
[12:38] <elJo-> saif: FIR (4MBit) is a little bit harder. A little bit impossible if you don't have one of about 4 supported chipsets, too :)
[12:38] <elJo-> saif: yes :)
[12:39] <saif> elJo: hmmmmmmm, and i guess if in the device manager it doesn't say that it deteced an IR, it's impossible?!
[12:40] <elJo-> saif: no, it just means you need to get ready to dive deeper ;)
[12:40] <saif> elJo: iam not really a good diver, trying taking diving ourses once, turns out iam sick in the head, and can't handle pressue!
[12:40] <elJo-> saif: sudo apt-get install irda-utils would be a good start
[12:41] <saif> i already did that!
[12:41] <elJo-> saif: fine
[12:41] <rempresent> hey, what is the format that i would type to access my ftp server in a browser
[12:41] <LarstiQ> rempresent: ftp://servername :)
[12:42] <saif> elJo: but i donno the device name to attach, not the dongle!
[12:42] <rempresent> what if i have a username and password?
[12:42] <elJo-> saif: ok.. now whatwasitagain...
[12:43] <LarstiQ> rempresent: ftp://user:pass@servername
[12:43] <rempresent> thanks
[12:43] <elJo-> saif: ah yes, read the docs at /usr/share/doc/irda-utils
[12:43] <discord> anyone know why i cannot see deleted inodes using debugfs:lsdel in ubuntu
[12:43] <bitfoo> saif, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7388&highlight=irda
[12:43] <bitfoo> :|
[12:43] <discord> i was trying to recover something
[12:43] <bitfoo> use the god damn search tool :|
[12:44] <elJo-> bitfoo: even better :)
[12:44] <saif> elJo: ah! :) ok
[12:44] <saif> bitfoo: thanx!
[12:44] <bitfoo> maybe it helps you :/
[12:44] <bitfoo> i have no need for irda so i dont use it :|
[12:44] <rempresent> how can i add users and passwords to my ftp server
[12:44] <saif> bitfoo: i hope it will,
[12:44] <rempresent> what do i edit in the config file
[12:45] <saif> bitfoo, elJo: anyways, i think i accompished enough for today on the linux system, will go mess with the ir and go sleep! goodnight, and thanx!
[12:45] <bitfoo> good luck :)
[12:45] <elJo-> saif: no problem :)
[12:46] <bitfoo> maybe i will go grocery shopping while i wait :/
[12:46] <elJo-> bitfoo: don't tell, scream. gcc won't respect you enough otherwise ;)
[12:47] <encKe`> wow....getting java going is being tougher than i thought
[12:47] <bitfoo> i just wonder like, why on earth i have to include scsi modules if i dont use scsi :|
[12:47] <elJo-> encKe`: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java <- did you read that?
[12:48] <encKe`> ill check it out
[12:48] <encKe`> thx
[12:48] <Agamotto> bitfoo:  cd/dvd drives are all considered scsi
[12:48] <website> hi to all
[12:48] <bitfoo> ohh
[12:48] <website> i've finished to isntall ubuntu now
[12:48] <bitfoo> well waht about bluetooth!
[12:48] <Agamotto> I have no idea why they are treated that way though
[12:48] <bitfoo> i have no need, yet LD [M]   net/bluetooth/rfcomm/rfcomm.o
[12:48] <bitfoo> :|
[12:48] <Agamotto> Bluetooth is hit and miss on both linux and windows
[12:49] <website> i saw that there is not any root user, how can i made system modification without that user?
[12:49] <bitfoo> sudo <command>
[12:49] <Agamotto> Works great between my Prius, the moblie, and my Clie
[12:49] <elJo-> bitfoo: maybe you should have disabled that option in make *config? :)
[12:49] <bitfoo> maybe :|
[12:49] <lOSTmONK> question
[12:49] <bitfoo> but ive gone too far to go back :|
[12:49] <lOSTmONK> i run mepis right now
[12:49] <IRCsloth_> what's a good telnet terminal client in linux? I've been using plain old 'telnet' but it doesn't show asci graphics (BBS) as nice as the windows telnet client.
[12:49] <Agamotto> You might need sudo -s sometimes
[12:49] <website> bitfoo, but why is there not any root user?
[12:49] <lOSTmONK> if i install ubuntu will i need the same modules to get my sound and stuff going?
[12:49] <elJo-> bitfoo: remember, patience is a virtue ;)
[12:49] <Agamotto> Plain telnet?
[12:50] <encKe`> brb
[12:50] <IRCsloth_> just typing "telnet' in a shell
[12:50] <elJo-> website: there is.
[12:50] <Agamotto> SSH... no telnet, telnet bad, telnet very bad....
[12:50] <lOSTmONK> rofl
[12:50] <Tyche> Excuse me. . . I'm rather new to Linux and especially to Ubuntu.  In trying to install the latest version (I believe it's 4.10) I can't complete the installation due to screen resolution.
[12:50] <website> alJo: but i didn't set any password for root user
[12:50] <bitfoo> just use sudo
[12:50] <bitfoo> or if you want a root console sudo -s
[12:50] <IRCsloth_> yes, I know all about the security aspects of telnet (or lack there of) but these telnet accessed BBS's don't support ssh
[12:50] <bitfoo> :|
[12:50] <elJo-> website: you don't need to :)
[12:51] <Agamotto> sudo replaces the root password system
[12:51] <lOSTmONK> ?
[12:51] <Pit> stairs?
[12:51] <lOSTmONK> no-one?
[12:51] <bitfoo> ?
[12:51] <website> bitfoo, but why? ---> i come from 4 years of debian
[12:51] <Agamotto> Que?
[12:51] <Agamotto> mrowr?
[12:51] <bitfoo> but why not :|
[12:51] <bitfoo> you can add it i think
[12:52] <elJo-> website: me too. anyway, it's just that way by design and believe me you'll get accustomed to it soon :)
[12:52] <Agamotto> Hmmm, time for some PB&J
[12:52] <elJo-> website: you can sudo -s, give a passwd to root and use su normally
[12:52] <bitfoo> website, read here http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[12:52] <bitfoo> :|
[12:52] <website> thanks
[12:52] <elJo-> website: but that's not the ubuntu way ;)
[12:53] <website> elJo-, yes i know i just wanna know why ubuntu uses this approach
[12:54] <elJo-> website: the page bitfoo cited has the reasons for it
[12:54] <website> yes, i'm already on it, thanks
[12:54] <bitfoo> i will stick with ubuntu for a while :|
[12:56] <elJo-> bitfoo: after getting rid of the color theme i love it :)
[12:56] <bitfoo> omg yah :|
[12:56] <bitfoo> poop brown :|
[12:56] <bitfoo> www.duke.edu/~peg2/desktop.png
[12:56] <elJo-> bitfoo: exactly :)
[12:56] <bitfoo> is mine ;|
[12:57] <elJo-> bitfoo: nice :)
[12:57] <lOSTmONK> once again, lemme try this
[12:57] <bitfoo> ?
[12:57] <xinel> anybody know how to fix a problem with the 'Computer' -> 'desktop preferences' mine will not open
[12:57] <lOSTmONK> will i need to add the same modules in ubuntu that i did in mepis for my souncard?
[12:57] <bitfoo> like what, like alsa?
[12:58] <elJo-> bitfoo: i tried fc3 a while back... nice, but de facto unusable. i mean, yum, what is this? where's my apt, and where's my /etc/netwok/interfaces? ;)
[12:58] <HrdwrBoB> elJo-: that's merely distro differences, there's better reasons not to like FC3 but all of them are offtopic
[12:59] <bitfoo> lOSTmONK, i dont know about your specific problem, but i would suggest trying the livecd, and if your sound works probably not :|
[12:59] <lOSTmONK> no, in mepis i had to add the snd-intel8x0 module in my /etc/modules to get my sound going
[12:59] <bitfoo> oh no
[12:59] <bitfoo> i have that module
[12:59] <bitfoo> it worked out of hte box
[12:59] <bitfoo> :|
[12:59] <lOSTmONK> nice
[12:59] <lOSTmONK> :)
[12:59] <bitfoo> :)
[12:59] <bitfoo> snd_intel8x0m          18756  2
[12:59] <bitfoo> snd_intel8x0           33280  4
[12:59] <bitfoo> :)
[12:59] <rempresent> does any know of a channel that specializes in ftp problems
[12:59] <lOSTmONK> i just wanna get away from mepis after all the political crap they have going on there
[12:59] <elJo-> HrdwrBoB: of course.
[01:00] <bitfoo> i dont know about politics, despite being a political science major :
[01:00] <bitfoo> :|
[01:00] <elJo-> bitfoo: wise
[01:00] <bitfoo> let alone linux politics (does such a thing exist??)
[01:01] <lOSTmONK> yes
[01:01] <lOSTmONK> there is a article on osnews about whats going on in mepis
[01:01] <elJo-> bitfoo: witness KDE and GNOME.
[01:01] <HrdwrBoB> bitfoo: haha .. hugely
[01:02] <warty> so, how can i access my linux partition from windowsxp then?
[01:02] <bitfoo> you can't i think
[01:02] <bitfoo> unless you make it FAT filesystem :O
[01:02] <elJo-> warty: if it isn't ext2/3 you're out of luck
[01:02] <Hoggoth> warty:  I believe the only way would be through Samba, and the linux partition would have to be on a second system running
[01:03] <warty> windows is sucks
[01:03] <Pit> stairs?
[01:03] <Martok> Haha
[01:03] <elJo-> warty: http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm
[01:03] <warty> eljo: i ve tried that
[01:03] <bitfoo> i want to know if linux will support cell cpu architecture :|
[01:03] <warty> dosent show anything
[01:03] <Hoggoth> There is a distro called LinonWin, that installs linux as a file under windows
[01:03] <warty> i go "refresh partitions" nd it does nothing
[01:04] <warty> btw, im on a live cd, which is why my name's not liquid boy :P
[01:04] <bitfoo> i think you can do /nick liquidboy :|
[01:04] <liquidboy> excelent
[01:05] <bitfoo> but i dunno too much about that, i formatted all my windows drives after burning the data to dvd :|
[01:05] <bitfoo> they are now ext3 :/
[01:05] <website> how to write a cd rom in gnome?
[01:06] <bitfoo> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#cddvdburning
[01:06] <bitfoo> :|
[01:06] <FAST> can someone tell me how to set the default screen resolution? every time i log into ubuntu, it's running in 1280x1024, and i need it in 1024x768
[01:06] <website> bitfoo, thanks
[01:06] <FLeiXiuS> FAST: Warty / Hoary?
[01:06] <bitfoo> lots of other good stuff on there too
[01:06] <FAST> warty
[01:07] <FLeiXiuS> FAST: Edit your /etc/X11/XFConfig-4 file.  Look for a sub heading called Screen, and you should see a list of your monitors resolutions it can support, there is where you would want to change the default.
[01:08] <Agamotto> You have to love PB&J on asiago cheese bread
[01:08] <Agamotto> yum
[01:09] <elJo-> FAST: Computer -> System -> Change Resolution
[01:09] <FAST> elJo: i dont want to have to do that every time i log in
[01:09] <FAST> FleiXius: is there an X configuration tool that I can use? I see that it picked up my monitor as generic...
[01:10] <Tyche> Can anyone tell me how to set the resolution to SVGA during installation?  I'll fight with NVidia afterward
[01:10] <crimsun> FAST: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (Warty)
[01:10] <rempresent> again, does anyone know about proftpd
[01:10] <rempresent> ?
[01:10] <FLeiXiuS> FAST: `XFree86 -configure` I believe
[01:10] <crimsun> rempresent: what about proftpd?
[01:10] <FLeiXiuS> FAST: crimsun's way works just as well.
[01:11] <bitfoo> http://www.start-linux.com/articles/article_176.php < rempresent
[01:12] <christor> Is someone knows where i can find a channel irc to help me to resolve a problem of mplayer, xine... to listen streaming radio?
[01:13] <crimsun> christor: what sort of problem are you having with either? (try checking in each application's channel)
[01:15] <Tyche> Can anyone tell me how to set the resolution to SVGA during installation? I'll fight with NVidia later
[01:15] <Parallax> does anyone installed kismet without problems???
[01:17] <Martok> I found it very simple to install and configure my Nvida card under Ubuntu.
[01:17] <Sav> is there any package that gives me a CPU temp and FAN RPM in my panel?
[01:18] <Martok> I thought I'd have to go through hell, thank god for Nvidia!
[01:18] <nevyn> screw nvidia
[01:18] <lOSTmONK> rofl
[01:19] <Parallax> kismet anyone???
[01:19] <Tyche> Yes, but first I have to get Ubuntu installed.
[01:20] <christor> sorry i have deconnected
[01:21] <christor> I m trying to listen streaming mms but I need a soft complia,nt with a proxy
[01:21] <Tyche> The secondary installation screen is nothing but hash.  I can tell it's booting by the shape of what scrolls up the screen, but it is unreadable.
[01:21] <Agamotto> Ok, now I have seen everything.. a package that helps you put your menses on a calendar so you can track them
[01:21] <christor> ANd i didn t found it
[01:21] <FAST> anyone notice that when you start firefox, it doesn't automatically go to the home page you set for it?     i fixed it by adding the home url in the launcher, but that shouldn't be necessary, right
[01:21] <christor> please someone can help me?
[01:21] <rempresent> I set up my FTP server and am trying to get a username and password for a specific person to use
[01:21] <rempresent> does anyone know how i can pull that?
[01:22] <crimsun> please rephrase your question.
[01:23] <kakalto> how do I find out what my network IP address is?
[01:23] <crimsun> kakalto: ip a |grep eth0
[01:24] <kakalto> crimsun, thanks :D
[01:24] <christor> Please I used a laptop and when i make an networking restart i lost my interfacec eth0?
[01:26] <crimsun> christor: would you rephrase your question please?
[01:27] <Sav> is there any package that gives me a CPU temp and FAN RPM in my panel?
[01:28] <kent> chriss_, to me, it seems like the expected thing. Restarting the network will have the result that the network will be down for a while for a while, since it restarts..
[01:28] <kent> sorry, it was ment to christor. damn tabcompletion.
[01:28] <Agamotto> Sav:  Not that I know of, but gkrellm has such things in it
[01:29] <eyequeue> mencal
[01:30] <squeaky> hey all
[01:30] <Martok> Hey
[01:30] <squeaky> can someone help me with boot loaders?
[01:30] <christor> crimsun: what questionss? I have asked for 2 questions: first I would like to listen mms url(streaming file) but I need an application proxy compliant.
[01:30] <squeaky> are there any besides grub and lilo?
[01:31] <christor> 2nd question when i restart my networking on my laptop, I lose my eth0 config
[01:31] <crimsun> squeaky: yes, there are others, but those are the major ones.
[01:31] <eyequeue> squeaky:  i seem to remember "loadlin"
[01:31] <Martok> Not that I know of. You could try googling "alternative bootloaders" + "linux"
[01:31] <kent> chriss_, realplayer handles proxy and can play streams..
[01:31] <eyequeue> squeaky:  runs from within ms, iirc
[01:31] <crimsun> christor: 1) I recommend mplayer; you need the _full_ w32codecs pack from mplayerhq.hu
[01:31] <Martok> Yeah, I remember Zipslack came with loadlin
[01:32] <kent> christor, use realplayer. (i hate tabcompletion and beeing tired.)
[01:32] <crimsun> christor: 2) Is your eth0 wired? (presuming so)
[01:32] <christor> realplayer allow to listen mms url?
[01:32] <christor> eth0 pcmcia
[01:32] <christor> I have the same problem on debian
[01:33] <crimsun> christor: are there any messages in ,,dmesg'' providing warnings or errors?
[01:33] <squeaky> eyequeue: does it support xp and warty?
[01:34] <christor> eth0: lost link beat
[01:34] <christor> eth0: autonegotiation restarted
[01:34] <christor> and it s all
[01:35] <crimsun> christor: so the only time eth0 functions correctly is immediately following (re)boot?
[01:35] <shock> oh well... still very unhappy about evolution being a total mess
[01:36] <shock> but time for bed now
[01:36] <shock> n8 peoples
[01:38] <squeaky> hellO?
[01:38] <FAST> anyone know where  module distutils.core can be obtained?
[01:38] <christor> crimsun: yes when i reboot it s good
[01:38] <randabis> omg I really could use some help :(
[01:38] <FLeiXiuS> FAST: google.com first bud
[01:39] <randabis> I resized a reiserfs partition with qtparted...BAD IDEA
[01:39] <Agamotto> ouch
[01:39] <randabis> I can't access the partiton anymore and a --rebuild-tree hasn't fixed it
[01:40] <randabis> my data is still on the drive...I know that, but I can't access it
[01:40] <christor> for the streaming mms when I try to play an mms file with realplayer I have this message : the player does not have the capabilities to play this content
[01:40] <Agamotto> Try getting into it using a live cd like Knoppix?
[01:41] <Frazer> lo all
[01:41] <squeaky> can someone help me with boot loaders?
[01:41] <Agamotto> We will certainly try
[01:41] <randabis> Agamotto it's a problem with the superblock and bad blocks on the drive, knoppix isn't going to help here
[01:41] <gnum4n> how do I disable ipv6 DNS ? My DNS is slow
[01:41] <gnum4n> ?
[01:42] <squeaky> well, grub nor lilo works
[01:42] <squeaky> they both give errors
[01:42] <Agamotto> There are some reiser tools that act like fsck, but I haven't used them myself
[01:42] <squeaky> i have the latest bios
[01:42] <squeaky> i have no idea why it doesnt work
[01:42] <Agamotto> You install, then reboot, and nada?
[01:43] <squeaky> error
[01:43] <squeaky> when i use grub
[01:43] <squeaky> error 21
[01:43] <squeaky> lilo
[01:43] <squeaky> L 07 07 07 07...
[01:43] <squeaky> i've tried everything
[01:43] <squeaky> i just need a different one, are any available?
[01:44] <Agamotto> Sorry, beyond my skills
[01:44] <squeaky> lol
[01:44] <squeaky> there isn't ONE booter besides lilo and grub
[01:44] <squeaky> ?
[01:44] <HrdwrBoB> squeaky: if there was
[01:44] <HrdwrBoB> it would likely not work either
[01:44] <squeaky> grr
[01:44] <Agamotto> My guess is that LILO is choking on your MBR
[01:45] <kbrooks_> squeaky, are you on *nix or windows
[01:45] <squeaky> right now?
[01:45] <Agamotto> Since your crash is with the first l... search google for LILO diagnostic codes
[01:45] <squeaky> phlak linux
[01:45] <squeaky> i have, didn't help
[01:45] <lOSTmONK> is ububntu deb based  or wgat?
[01:45] <Agamotto> eek
[01:45] <lOSTmONK> phlak blows
[01:45] <gnum4n> how do I disable ipv6 DNS ? My DNS is slow
[01:45] <cafuego> lOSTmONK: yes
[01:45] <kbrooks_> lOSTmONK, deb based
[01:45] <smogger914> where can i find the file that stores passwords
[01:45] <lOSTmONK> get whoppix
[01:45] <Agamotto> debian, yes
[01:45] <robhu> Is there a way to list the modules I have compiled in to my current kernel like I can with lsmod for modules? I'm trying to put reiser4 in my kernel, I thought I'd done it but mount is telling me the device is busy (which it isn't) when I try to mount the reiser4 partition I have made with mkfs.reiser4
[01:46] <lOSTmONK> so synaptic works with ububntu?>
[01:46] <kbrooks_> lOSTmONK, and dont troll
[01:46] <smogger914> where can i find the file that stores passwords
[01:46] <squeaky> lol, its the only linux i have
[01:46] <cafuego> lOSTmONK: Why? Is it more marginal and less supported?
[01:46] <squeaky> since i can't get into ubuntu
[01:46] <smogger914> where can i find the file that stores passwords
[01:46] <robhu> smogger914: Do you mean /etc/passwd?
[01:46] <Agamotto> /etc/passwd
[01:46] <kbrooks_> lOSTmONK, you are purposely disrupting squeaky's help.
[01:46] <kbrooks_> please stop.
[01:47] <dud> #ubuntu - the only channel where repeating the same question actually works...
[01:47] <squeaky> lol
[01:47] <kbrooks_> smogger914, and dont repeat any questions you have.
[01:47] <smogger914> it says commands not found
[01:47] <smogger914> max@ubuntu:~ $ sudo /etc/passwd
[01:47] <smogger914> sudo: /etc/passwd: command not found
[01:47] <kbrooks_> smogger914, nano /etc/passwd
[01:47] <dud> the passwd file isnt ELF executable... its an ascii file
[01:48] <smogger914> where is it
[01:48] <kbrooks_> s/ELF//i
[01:48] <FAST> im not sure how to obtain the python  distutils package, i dont see anything like it listed in the package manager
[01:49] <squeaky> ...
[01:49] <Agamotto> FAST:  Search for it under google, using debian+disttutils
[01:49] <Agamotto> Might work
[01:49] <HrdwrBoB> python2.3-setuptools - Python Distutils Enhancements
[01:49] <HrdwrBoB> python2.4-setuptools - Python Distutils Enhancements
[01:50] <Agamotto> Danke
[01:51] <shock> damn.... how can I mount my hfsplus partition rw ?
[01:51] <hou5ton> in this laptop it has a ATI mobility radeon 9600 ... and i'm trying to get dual monitors, and I "think" i need to get nvidia-glx and nvidia-settings.  Does that sound right?
[01:51] <squeaky> there aren't ANY other boot loaders?
[01:51] <squeaky> this is insane
[01:51] <gnum4n> how do I disable ipv6 DNS? My DNS is slow
[01:51] <lOSTmONK> does ubuntu come with a stock IRC app?
[01:51] <smogger914> where does it say the password
[01:51] <Agamotto> hou5ton:  No, unless you have an nvidia card on the other computer
[01:51] <cowmix> Anyone: I am a moron.. I have the new Ubuntu live CD.. it boots to the desktop perfectly.. but I can not figure out how to start an install to the hard drive.. what am I missing?
 xchat ?
[01:52] <eyequeue> cowbud:  the "other" cd
[01:52] <Pluk> cowmix, the livecd isnt for installing
[01:52] <Xenguy> lOSTmONK: irssi (console); xchat (gui)
[01:52] <squeaky> cowmix: the livecd isn't for installing, it is to use it without installing
[01:52] <eyequeue> cowbud:  live cd doesn't have install optin, you want the isntall cd for that
[01:52] <cowmix> ARG..
[01:52] <squeaky> cowmix: you use the install cd if you want it on your cd
[01:52] <Pluk> --; :P
[01:52] <squeaky> heh
[01:52] <Agamotto> cowmix:  You need to fetch the 'install' cd from a server
[01:52] <Pluk> omg :D
[01:53] <cowmix> thanks guys!
[01:53] <Agamotto> Bittorrent should have it all over the place
[01:53] <hou5ton> Agamotto:   i just want to plug another monitor into the laptop, and I don't see a gui to set that up in Ubuntu
[01:53] <Pluk> that was a massreply :D
[01:53] <eyequeue> brb
[01:53] <smogger914> i am still confused at where i can actually see the passwords
[01:53] <cowmix> sorry.. I am in the Knoppix frame of mind.. again.. thanks!
[01:53] <Agamotto> hou5ton:  search the debian repositories for ati-utils, or some-such
[01:53] <hou5ton> Agamotto:   I want dual monitors, ... as one display, ... moving things back and forth
[01:54] <dud> passwords are shadowed smogger914 .... it would be a great security risk to have them in plaintext
[01:54] <smogger914> so can i look at them
[01:54] <dud> you cant
[01:54] <Xenguy> smogger914: furthermore passwords are encrypted
[01:54] <squeaky> how can i fix this?!
[01:54] <squeaky> sorry, but all weekend i've been trying to fix it, and i'm really gettin pissed
[01:55] <dud> kick you computer in the groin (TM)
[01:55] <Agamotto> squeaky:  I can sympathise.... walking away for a few hours can do wonders for your clarity of thought
[01:56] <Gul3> hello. i just installed ubuntu on one of my pc's. i have been following the tweaking ubuntu guide on ubuntforums.org but suddenly when i did a apt-get i got this message: "The package kimwitu is not ok and I don't know how to fix it!" never seen it before. what should i do?
[01:56] <squeaky> Agamotto: thanks, but I've gotten to the point where windows drives me crazy, and yet I can't go without it
[01:56] <Agamotto> I am slowly migrating to linux myself
[01:56] <squeaky> and apparently the bios system is crap, so I can't find one f***ing boot loader that ACTUALLY WORKS
[01:56] <Agamotto> I only run Win these days for games
[01:57] <squeaky> same with me mostly
[01:57] <dingo> I have installed ubuntu, installed smbfs and had samba working.. for about one connetion and now it doesn't work at all... does anyone know why ?
[01:57] <cowmix> Agamotto.. speaking of that.. does Cedega work will with Ubuntu?
[01:57] <Agamotto> sqeaky:  What are the particulars on your system?
[01:57] <Agamotto> cowmix:  I don't know... with what free time I have, it will be awhile before I play with Cedega
[01:58] <shock> damn.... how can I mount my hfsplus partition rw ?
[01:58] <squeaky> dell dimension 4550 with a dell dvd+rw, dell firewire package, and seagate 160gb internal
[01:58] <eyequeue> is there a "preferred" identd for ubuntu?
[01:58] <Gul3> somebody got any answear for me regarding kimwitu..?
[01:58] <eyequeue> or for that matter, will it even matter, since i'm behind a hardware firewall? :/
[01:59] <Agamotto> squeaky:  Ok, fairly recent, so the BIOS most likely isn't the problem... just as a joke, see if the anti-virus blocker is set in your BIOS
[01:59] <Xenguy> Gul3: have you googled the error message?
[01:59] <eyequeue> i just would like to eliminate the delay upon joining freenode, it's not a critical need
[01:59] <Gul3> Xenguy: yes. without any luck
[01:59] <Xenguy> Gul3: That looks like a weird one for sure
[02:00] <squeaky> the only antivirus I have is AVG which is windows-only
[02:00] <squeaky> so that couldn't be it
[02:00] <Xenguy> Gul3: sometimes waiting a bit and trying again can work ;-)
[02:00] <Gul3> Xenguy: hmm.. just like windows. lol
[02:01] <Xenguy> Gul3: heh - well it may not be your problem is what crossed my mind
[02:01] <squeaky> are there any bios programmers in the house?
[02:01] <dbt`veritas> rofl
[02:01] <dbt`veritas> no
[02:01] <squeaky> lol
[02:01] <Agamotto> No no no.... many recent BIOSs have a feature that keeps the MBR from being written to.... it will be labeled 'anti-virus block' or some-such
[02:01] <squeaky> hmm
[02:01] <squeaky> well, i doubt it
[02:02] <squeaky> grub/lilo is loading, but just producing an error
[02:02] <Agamotto> A possibility... I had that problem when installing Fedora on a friend's computer
[02:02] <dingo> does anyone know why samba is completely failing after having worked earlier in the day (and yes, the network is fine)
[02:02] <squeaky> how would i find/fix that?
[02:02] <Agamotto> Go into your BIOS and look for the heading
[02:03] <squeaky> i can't get in my bios
[02:03] <FAST> sweet, i just got nicotine running
[02:03] <squeaky> i dont think dell allows it
[02:03] <Agamotto> delltony, right?
[02:03] <squeaky> I've tried all the F# and Del and everything
[02:03] <Agamotto> Should be holding down F2 while it powers-on
[02:03] <squeaky> delltony? wazat?
[02:03] <eyequeue> eww, what is this? $ mozilla-firefox
[02:03] <eyequeue> INTERNAL ERROR on Browser End: No manager for initializing factory?
[02:03] <eyequeue> System error?:: Success
[02:03] <gnum4n> How do I change the DNS on my nick to IPv4 from IPv6? It takes forever to resolve host names
[02:03] <squeaky> that gives me setup
[02:03] <gnum4n> How do I change the DNS on my nic to IPv4 from IPv6? It takes forever to resolve host names
[02:03] <Agamotto> Yes, that should be your BIOS setup
[02:03] <squeaky> ahh
[02:03] <squeaky> but i looked around it
[02:04] <Agamotto> Ok, just a possibility
[02:04] <squeaky> what should i do in it?
[02:04] <Agamotto> Look for anything that says MBR block or anti-virus
[02:04] <squeaky> nothing did :-/
[02:05] <Agamotto> Another thought... see if IDE-0 or somesuch is in the device boot list, you know floppy, cd, ide, etc...
[02:05] <Abysmal> anyone got a umax s900 here??
 - well check the dhcpd config
[02:05] <squeaky> wait, i may have found something
[02:05] <squeaky> what is a boot flag?
[02:06] <Agamotto> Not sure... what else does it say as options?
[02:06] <gnum4n> how shock ?
[02:06] <squeaky> no, right now i'm in cfdisk
[02:06] <shock> with an editor
[02:06] <squeaky> anyone know what a boot flag is?
[02:07] <jba> hey guys, I installed the smb sharing extension for nautilus using dbus-1 and it worked a treat
[02:07] <jdub> squeaky: something you enter at the boot prompt
[02:07] <shock> squeaky - anny toggeling or setting value passed on to something at boottime
[02:07] <squeaky> would it affect a boot loader?
[02:08] <jba> hey jdub, any particular reason why the smb sharing extension is not in gnome by default?
[02:08] <squeaky> also, what is the difference between hda and hdb?
[02:08] <jba> it's tre-sweet
[02:08] <shock> gnum4n; /etc/dhcpd.conf <--- as root with some kind of editor
[02:08] <Agamotto> hda is your first hd, hdb is your second.... bootloader must always go on hda
[02:09] <squeaky> ah, i think i found my problem
[02:09] <gnum4n> it doesn't exist
[02:09] <shock> O_o
[02:09] <squeaky> one sec
[02:09] <gnum4n> im using hoary
[02:09] <shock> on your dhcp server!
[02:09] <shock> me too
[02:09] <shock> :)
[02:09] <jba> gnum4n, was the network available at install time ?
[02:09] <bitfoo> yo
[02:09] <gnum4n> yes
[02:10] <shock> hm
[02:10] <bitfoo> whats a good package to see wireless networks
[02:10] <bitfoo> for gnome :|
[02:10] <jba> I'v found if there is no network at install time, then the dchp doesen't get run on startup
[02:10] <bitfoo> like the wireless network finder in windows :|
[02:10] <gnum4n> my internet works just very slowly because ipv6 is enabled I have seen this in other distros as well with newer kernels
[02:10] <squeaky> hmm, i'm having trouble with chroot
[02:10] <Agamotto> Hmmm, Enterprise is rewriting ST history again... Tellarites aren't pentadactyl, nor do the have knees that bend backward, as most bipeds do... oh well
[02:10] <gnum4n> like it takes a long time to resolve host names
[02:10] <gnum4n> I have fixed it before on Fedora
[02:10] <squeaky> i put in 'chroot /mnt/ubuntu' and it says no such file or directory
[02:10] <gnum4n> I just don't remember how
[02:11] <squeaky> when i put mkdir /mnt/ubuntu
[02:11] <jdub> jba: depends on which one you mean
[02:11] <shock> how about just adding some own nameservers?
[02:11] <Agamotto> try chroot /hda(orb)/mnt/ubuntu
[02:11] <shock> oh well... I'm off to bed now....
[02:11] <shock> cu all laters
[02:11] <gnum4n> later shock
[02:11] <jba> judb, is there one in the works?
[02:11] <squeaky> hda(orb)?
[02:11] <jba> I googled and found one on one of the gnome mailing lists
[02:11] <squeaky> whats that?
[02:11] <jba> in .deb format
[02:12] <Agamotto> squeaky:  your hd
[02:12] <squeaky> oh, so hda1?
[02:12] <jdub> jba: i'm asking which one you're talking about
[02:12] <Agamotto> or a
[02:12] <jba> one sec i get linky
[02:12] <Agamotto> or b, I mean
[02:12] <LinuxJones> gnum4n, /etc/modprobe.d/aliases change the line to look like >> alias net-pf-10 off #ipv6
[02:12] <rellik> I'm reading the bash manpage, and playing around a little... how come this doesn't work: <start code> ((; echo "$DISPLAY"; )) <end code> ? it gives the error: : syntax error in expression (error token is ":0.0 <newline> ")
[02:13] <gnum4n> thank you very much linuxjones
[02:13] <jba> jdub, http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dbus/2005-January/001870.html
[02:13] <LinuxJones> gnum4n, :)
[02:13] <jba> sorry it wan't gnome mailing list, was fdo
[02:14] <randabis> I've screwed up bad this time... :(
[02:14] <squeaky> hmm
[02:15] <squeaky> i tried chroot /mnt/ubuntu /dev/hda1
[02:15] <randabis> could really use some help
[02:15] <squeaky> it reported
[02:15] <Agamotto> coolies
[02:15] <jba> jdub, it was writtne for warty, but it worked on haory
[02:15] <squeaky> chroot: /dev/hda1: Permission denied
[02:15] <squeaky> ?
[02:15] <Agamotto> interesting
[02:15] <Agamotto> squeaky:  What distro are you running this second?
[02:15] <squeaky> phlak
[02:15] <Agamotto> Hmmm, I don't know if that uses sudo or not
[02:15] <squeaky> sudo?
[02:16] <randabis> I used QTparted to resize my reiserFS partition (bad idea)...the operation failed, and now my partition is no longer mountable
[02:16] <crimsun> squeaky: the second parameter to chroot needs a command, not a device or a partition
[02:16] <squeaky> crimsun: well, how should i do it?
[02:16] <randabis> the data is still on the drive (checked with gparted), but I can't mount it
[02:17] <crimsun> squeaky: normally it'd be ,,chroot /mnt/ubuntu /bin/bash'' or something similar
[02:17] <squeaky> /bin/bash?
[02:17] <Gul3> Xenguy: funny. your suggestion worked. :)
[02:17] <squeaky> i'll try
[02:17] <tritium> I've never seen qtparted work correctly.
[02:17] <squeaky> THANK YOU
[02:17] <randabis> I've ran reiserfsck --check --fix-fixable, --rebuild-sb, and --rebuild-tree on it...I still can't mount it
[02:17] <squeaky> it worked, i think
[02:17] <Agamotto> randabis:  ouch
[02:17] <randabis> the problem appears to be with the superblock
[02:17] <regeya> yipe
[02:18] <Agamotto> squeaky:  Go forth and help others, young padawan
[02:18] <randabis> when I run reiserfsck --check on it
[02:18] <squeaky> THANK YOU I LOVE YOU ALL!!!!!!
[02:18] <randabis> I get Bad root block 0. (--rebuild-tree did not complete)
[02:18] <Agamotto> ow
[02:18] <jba> jdub, he has since update packages for hory at: http://gentoo.ovibes.net/nautilus-share/ubuntu/
[02:18] <squeaky> lemme reboot, i'll ttyl
[02:18] <randabis> when I run --rebuild-tree again, i get a suggestion to try, but I don't know how to do it
[02:19] <regeya> OUCH
[02:19] <regeya> randabis: I don't suppose you keep complete backups, do you
[02:19] <Agamotto> Beyond me, unfortunately
[02:19] <tritium> so jdub, what happened to beagle?
[02:19] <regeya> what suggestion would that be
[02:19] <delltony> any reason why when i hit add wallpaper the image shows up but it never sets the desktop image?
[02:20] <randabis>  Zero the block at 64K offset from the start of the partition (a new super block you have just built) and try to move the start of the partition a few cylinders aside and check if debugreiserfs /dev/xxx detects a reiserfs super block.
[02:20] <Agamotto> I do mine ever two weeks
[02:20] <regeya> btw, someone suggest a backup strategy other than mondo
[02:20] <randabis> I don't know how to do that
[02:20] <tritium> I was using reiserfs on debian sid.  Nearly lost my thesis and all my work.
[02:20] <tritium> Warty live CD arrived in the mail a few days before and saved me :)
[02:20] <advocate> lol i always keep copys off cpu by email
[02:21] <Agamotto> tritium:  What caused your crash?  any ideas?
[02:21] <randabis> so anyone have idea how to do that? the zero the block at 64k offset and move the partition
[02:21] <regeya> tritium: I ran into the same situation; had a Mandrake install, had a big project due, got prompted to run reiserfsck, it told me to run --rebuild-tree and when I did I got a segfault and a trashed tree
[02:21] <tritium> Agamotto, it was not really reiserfs' fault.  It was a hardware failure (laptop drive).
[02:21] <regeya> this was a few years ago, though
[02:22] <Cloudchaser> Tritum how did ubuntu live cd help you?
[02:22] <tritium> regeya, ouch
[02:22] <mauithewitch> hey guys, a linux n00b here, but i've tried everything to get the warty live cd to work but its not
[02:22] <tritium> Cloudchaser, I couldn't boot from hard disk, but I could mount it from LiveCD.
[02:22] <advocate> bummer
[02:22] <Cloudchaser> mauithewitch, i had trouble with ubuntu live cd
[02:22] <randabis> if I could just get access to the data, I could take what I want off if it and then format it
[02:22] <Cloudchaser> no apps would open
[02:22] <tritium> Then, I could get data off of it for a few minutes at a time before it would flake out.
[02:22] <Agamotto> mauithewitch:  Tried SmartBootManager?
[02:22] <mauithewitch> freezes up with a black screen after sucessfully loading most of it
[02:22] <Agamotto> Ahh, it hates something on your system then
[02:23] <mauithewitch> agamotto: no
[02:23] <regeya> for some reason reiserfsck would wipe clean the tree, THEN build a tree in memory.  So if anything happened in the intervening time, you were screwed.
[02:23] <Quest-Master> Hi, my Windows box is able to explore my Ubuntu box with Samba, but my Ubuntu can't get into the Windows box
[02:23] <advocate> ubuntu still wont install on my laptop. and the way it crashed was so confusing I dint even bother fileing a bug
[02:23] <Quest-Master> It says I don't have sufficient permissions to view it
[02:23] <mauithewitch> its probably having issues with my screen res... garrr
[02:23] <giard> question...
[02:23] <giard> why do we need esd?
[02:23] <giard> I'm no expert
[02:23] <Quest-Master> giard: To play more than one sound
[02:23] <giard> but if you set the out/in in the multimedia selector to alsa...
[02:23] <giard> ahhhh
[02:23] <crimsun> giard: it's the most straightforward method of software mixing across a greater majority of sound cards
[02:23] <regeya> giard: beats me; disable it.
[02:24] <randabis> guess I just lost almost 60 gigabytes of data :(
[02:24] <regeya> giard, you can disable the sound server, and you can change the default gstreamer backend.  need help doing either one?
[02:24] <giard> crimsun: esd doesn't seem to be so good at recording, though
[02:24] <tritium> Here's another ubuntu success story for me: Mom has dual-boot WinXP & ubuntu.  She locked herself out of WinXP.  I reset her passwd with chntpw.
[02:24] <tritium> Small victory, but I loved ubuntu for it.
[02:24] <mauithewitch> but even with the blank screen it gives me a starting up type of sound from my speakers...
[02:24] <giard> regeya: thanks, I think I've figured it out
[02:24] <crimsun> giard: right, the latency is less than optimal
[02:24] <mauithewitch> awesome
[02:24] <regeya> R00L
[02:24] <delltony> anyone know how to set a desktop backgroun in gnome? for some reason i can't get it to set :(
[02:25] <giard> crimsun: it doesn't even *work* on this setup, let alone have latency
[02:25] <giard> crimsun: but if I go straight alsa, no problems
[02:25] <detox> hi
[02:25] <giard> crimsun: have you heard of a possible esound replacement?
[02:25] <regeya> giard: I agree, though; my preference would be to have esd off by default
[02:25] <bitfoo> man wtf :|
[02:25] <crimsun> giard: polypaudio already deprecates esound
[02:25] <bitfoo> i recompiled my kernel and now my wireless doesnt work :|
[02:26] <bitfoo> i get tons of dmesg :|
[02:26] <mjg59> bitfoo: Not all the wireless drivers included with Ubuntu are in the standard kernel source
[02:26] <bitfoo> i used ubuntu kernel source :|
[02:26] <tritium> bitfoo, did you use make-kpkg?
[02:26] <bitfoo> yes
[02:26] <bitfoo> make-kpkg clean
[02:26] <giard> crimsun: does ubuntu use polypaudio now?
[02:26] <crimsun> giard: hoary does not by default.
[02:26] <detox> anybody knows how can i configure mi pppoe conection?? please??
[02:27] <cyklus> network question... i have a laptop that has both ethernet and wireless.. 80% of the time i use wireless. When i start up the system waits forever when i dont have ethernet plugged in. Is there a way to make it not do this?
[02:27] <crimsun> giard: it is quite straightforward to convert to polypaudio, however.
[02:27] <LinuxJones> Dethread, pppoeconf ?
[02:27] <giard> crimsun: good, I'd like to try it
[02:27] <detox> yeah, but nothing happens
[02:27] <detox> :S
[02:27] <bitfoo> tritium, it doesnt even detect the card now ;|
[02:28] <tritium> bitfoo, did you make modules too?
[02:28] <giard> crimsun: do I have to do anything besides install the polypaudio packages?
[02:29] <crimsun> giard: nope.
[02:29] <rempresen1> how do i install a .dev file
[02:29] <bitfoo> i just make oldconfig
[02:29] <bitfoo> to use the one that was working :|
[02:29] <bitfoo> but i see firmware is in hotplug for it though
[02:29] <crimsun> giard: I tweaked /etc/polypaudio/default.pa to use alsa, but that's it.
[02:29] <cyklus> any suggestions on the network issue?
[02:30] <giard> crimsun: will polypaudio come up in the multimedia selector or will it still say esd?
[02:30] <cyklus> is there a way to select which network device you wanna use on bootup?
[02:30] <rempresen1> .dev anyone
[02:30] <rempresen1> ?
[02:30] <crimsun> giard: by default, those polypaudio packages will accept output/input to/from esound
[02:30] <dingo> is anyone here very familiar with Nautilus ?
[02:30] <crimsun> giard: you can leave gstreamer-properties set to esd*
[02:30] <Quest-Master> dingo: Yeah
[02:31] <dingo> okay, why is that Nautilus can't mount windows shares & ftp stuff anymore (and could some hours earlier today??)
[02:32] <giard> time to go try it out
[02:32] <delltony> can someone please help me with gnome?
[02:32] <bitfoo> tritium, it is configured as a module "/lib/modules/2.6.10.acpihack/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200/ipw2200.ko"
[02:33] <usual> delltony, whats wrong
[02:33] <delltony> i can't change the desktop wallpapers at all
[02:33] <delltony> i hit no  wallpaper nada, i hit a different one nada
[02:33] <tritium> delltony, is that a fresh Warty install?  Have you updated & upgraded?
[02:34] <bitfoo> bleh, i will reboot and see if that fixes it :|
[02:34] <delltony> its a fresh warty install i believe
[02:34] <tritium> bitfoo, what kind of errors?
[02:34] <bitfoo> umm
[02:34] <bitfoo> #flood
[02:34] <weblin> I've just installed a kernel (2.6.10) from Sources but when I boot it I get messages about 'too many mounted filesystems on tmpfs' or something like that. did I leave something important out of the config?
[02:35] <delltony> anything i should try?
[02:36] <tritium> delltony, "sudo apt-get update" and then "sudo apt-get upgrade"
[02:36] <tritium> I assume you have internet access?
[02:36] <delltony> i just got done dooing that
[02:36] <delltony> and it didn't change anything
[02:36] <Soap_On_A_Roap> I've downloaded the MPlayer.tar.bz2 file, i want to install, what dop  id o next?
[02:36] <usual> delltony, i've had that problem in gnome also
[02:36] <usual> delltony, usually I have to log out and log back in
[02:36] <delltony> ok so if you logout and back in the thing changes?
[02:36] <delltony> thats odd
[02:37] <usual> well
[02:37] <usual> you normally don't need to
[02:37] <usual> but i have had to
[02:37] <dingo> Soap_On_A_Roap, try searching for ubuntu and mplayer (one of those links give a detailed step by step build order for building your own mplayer)
[02:37] <HrdwrBoB> erm
[02:37] <delltony> thats strange
[02:37] <HrdwrBoB> mplayer is in multiverse
[02:37] <usual> delltony, yeah it is, well wanna hear something stranger? I have had X crash 3 times today
[02:38] <tritium> delltony, if gnome packages were upgraded, it might be a good idea
[02:38] <delltony> no i know all about strange :)
[02:38] <usual> delltony, double clicking in nautilus and using rhythmbox
[02:38] <crimsun> Soap_On_A_Roap: /wiki/RestrictedFormats also has pointers
[02:38] <delltony> i caught hell trying to get my wireless to work
[02:38] <delltony> haha
[02:38] <delltony> brb
[02:39] <weblin> anybody know what the 'too many mounted filesystems' boot error means, please?
[02:39] <Quest-Master> HrdwrBoB: mplayer in Universe is extremely buggy and hardly works
[02:39] <usual> I wish gstreamer would catch up on some shit
[02:39] <usual> like dvd playback
[02:40] <HrdwrBoB> Quest-Master: ah well that sucks then
[02:40] <usual> wb
[02:40] <HrdwrBoB> usual: it has in hoary
[02:40] <daniels> Quest-Master: i haven't had any problems with it
[02:40] <Quest-Master> Hrdwrbob: Yeah, compiling it is a much better idea
[02:40] <usual> HrdwrBoB, yeah but it sucks
[02:40] <delltony> ok what is this crap i logout and back in and it says i have detected a panel already running so i will exit
[02:40] <Quest-Master> daniels: It crashes on almost everyone I speak it to :\
[02:40] <delltony> that sucks :(
[02:41] <Br34ch> Nub question again . . . intro-linux.html.tar.gz <-- What command would extract this in term?.. :x
[02:41] <mebaran151> how do I add an interface to be loaded
[02:41] <mebaran151> like I want eth0
[02:41] <mebaran151> but it only loads eth1
[02:41] <mebaran151> I would like to use my nforce card
[02:41] <eyequeue> auto eth0
[02:42] <mebaran151> the command is not found it says
[02:42] <LinuxJones> Br34ch, tar xfzv file.tar.gz
[02:42] <Br34ch> thanks
[02:42] <daniels> Quest-Master: dunno about warty, but it's certainly not the case in hoary
[02:42] <delltony> what is with this shhe at :(
[02:42] <mebaran151> delltony: when that happens
[02:42] <mebaran151> open a terminal
[02:42] <mebaran151> by right clicking
[02:42] <delltony> ok i'm in terminal now
[02:42] <mebaran151> on the desktop
[02:42] <mebaran151> and just skill gnome-panel
[02:43] <delltony> thts how i got here
[02:43] <mebaran151> then type gnome-panel
[02:43] <delltony> ok
[02:43] <usual> daniels, have you heard of X crashing in hoary much?
[02:43] <eyequeue> mebaran151:  sudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces
[02:43] <delltony> so skill gnome-panel?
[02:43] <tritium> kill
[02:43] <tritium> but you have to give the pid
[02:43] <daniels> usual: no
[02:43] <delltony> ok yeah i killed hte wrong one
[02:43] <eyequeue> or killall
[02:43] <delltony> i killed gdm thinking that was it
[02:43] <delltony> let me try
[02:43] <daniels> i've heard of the configuration being weird, but am preparing an upload to fix almost all of that now
[02:44] <usual> daniels, ok, must just be me. In certain thing during an X session in gnome X will just crash
[02:44] <mebaran151> it makes no mention of eth0
[02:44] <delltony> thats more better
[02:44] <delltony> thanks for the tip
[02:44] <mebaran151> I need it to load the forcedeth module as well
[02:44] <usual> daniels, double clicking in nautilus....using rhythmbox
[02:45] <daniels> usual: um, what sort of card are you using?
[02:45] <eyequeue> mebaran151:  man 5 interfaces for details on that file
[02:45] <Quest-Master> daniels: Yeah, I'm in Warty
[02:45] <usual> daniels, gforce4
[02:46] <Quest-Master> daniels: Would you know anything about why wxGtk in Warty AND Hoary uses GTK1 instead of GTK2?
[02:46] <mebaran151> where do I pull the mapping script from
[02:46] <mebaran151> didnt the installation have an automagical way to set them both up
[02:46] <mebaran151> I remember it asking me about it
[02:46] <tritium> daniels, you must be swamped in bugs right about now.
[02:46] <syn-ack> hi.
[02:46] <mebaran151> my evolution is still reporting a pointer mismatch
[02:46] <usual> daniels, with the nvidia drivers
[02:46] <mebaran151> which is beginning to bug me
[02:47] <xalphas> can anybody help me about gdesklets?
[02:48] <daniels> usual: in that case, there will be a bug somewhere in the nvidia drivers; you'll have to harass them, I'm afraid
[02:48] <lOSTmONK> soab
[02:48] <daniels> (binary drivers means I can't go hunting for the problema nd fix it)
[02:48] <daniels> Quest-Master: not really, sorry
[02:48] <delltony> thanks again guys
[02:48] <usual> daniels, ok, I just never had this issue before...
[02:48] <usual> daniels, but I will take your word for it :0
[02:48] <usual> :)
[02:49] <daniels> tritium: yes, especially as I didn't do any real work stuff this weekend, and just worked on the modular X tree and hung out with people instead
[02:49] <crimsun> Quest-Master: which wxgtk package?
[02:49] <delltony> very strange now the desktop images change haha must of been due to the upgrade
[02:49] <tritium> daniels, well, you deserve a weekend, for sure
[02:50] <Quest-Master> crimsun: Any of them
[02:50] <tritium> I just happened to notice that #5940 is still new.
[02:50] <Quest-Master> crimsun: I'll link you to the topic in the forums if you'd like
[02:50] <crimsun> Quest-Master: note that libwxgtk2.4 in both warty/uni and hoary/uni use gtk 1.2, whereas libwxgtk2.5.3 in hoary/uni uses gtk2
[02:50] <crimsun> Quest-Master: sure, url appreciated
[02:50] <lOSTmONK> how do i change the splash screen?
[02:50] <daniels> tritium: just triaging my bugs now
[02:50] <tritium> I see.
[02:51] <daniels> tritium: could you please attach the output of sudo ddcprobe?
[02:51] <ALTF4osu> i need some pretty specific newb help, 1) how to get to the ntfs file system when in ubuntu, and 2) how to set up ndiswrapper with the driver i need for wireless
[02:51] <tritium> daniels, okay, I'll have to do that tomorrow when I head back into the lab.
[02:51] <xalphas> still using gdesklets 0.26 with no daemon. only can double click some displays. how to install from tarball or is there any depo url for newer versions of gdesklets?
[02:52] <daniels> tritium: ok, thanks a lot.  i suspect it's a duplicate of 5754
[02:52] <bzbb> I had rhythmbox working, then I tested KDE
[02:53] <bzbb> now, when I play in rythmbox, I get Could not pause playback as an error
[02:53] <tritium> daniels, what am I thinking?  I'll do it remotely right now...
[02:53] <giard> sigh, no luck on polypaudio working with recording better than esound
[02:54] <lOSTmONK> anyone?
[02:54] <lOSTmONK> changing the botsplash?
[02:54] <crimsun> giard: then it's best with your configuration to use esdsink and alsasrc
[02:54] <lOSTmONK> boot*
[02:54] <crimsun> giard: I have my home pc configured thusly, and it works adequately for most situations
[02:55] <daniels> tritium: heh.  make sure the scren is on :)
[02:55] <giard>  crimsun: that doesn't seem to work
[02:55] <tritium> daniels, it is ;)
[02:55] <crimsun> giard: did you configure /etc/polypaudio/default.pa to use alsa?
[02:55] <giard> crimsun: if I do that way it says "failed to construct pipeline"
[02:55] <giard> crimsun: yes
[02:55] <Agamotto> Time to rejoin reality
[02:56] <tritium> daniels, sorry if it's a duplicate, btw
[02:56] <crimsun> giard: is polypaudio running after gnome starts?
[02:56] <LinuxJones> night all
[02:56] <giard> I believe it's set to do on demand and not static
[02:57] <giard> it's definitely running because the terminal bell is different
[02:57] <crimsun> hmm, will need to debug further, because the config I described works on my home pc
[02:57] <lOSTmONK> how do i add a new user?
[02:58] <Pariente> can some help me with a problem
[02:58] <UZ1> i need help mounting for ntfs, and not as root
[02:58] <steve_> hi, how is everyone
[02:58] <giard> crimsun: should I take out the input line in polypaudio?
[02:58] <Pariente>  I'm using Gnome 2.8, I installed something that doesn't let me put knew launcher to the menus it says some thing about permitions denied coan some tell
[02:59] <UZ1> i need help for ntfs mounting as user, i want to be able to use it as user and not as root
[02:59] <steve_> for some reason, I cannot get to root. It is like the passowrd changed or something
[02:59] <crimsun> giard: worth trying.
[02:59] <steve_> does anyone have any ideas
[02:59] <tritium> steve_, you setup a root password?
[02:59] <steve_> not trying to be funny, I beleive so. My partner hooked it up for me
[02:59] <daniels> tritium: no worries; i need to retitle all the bugs in my list so they're more obvious to me, let alone to everyone else
[03:00] <Pariente> UZI edith /etc/fstad/ with something like this: /dev/hda1       /media/WinXP ntfs noauto,users,exec,ro,umask=000 0 0
[03:00] <squeaky> hey again
[03:00] <steve_> any ideas to check though
[03:00] <squeaky> how do i change the drive i'm on through the terminal?
[03:00] <sime> should scanners work with ubuntu live cd ?
[03:00] <giard> crimsun: that looks like that might have done it
[03:00] <crimsun> giard: great.
[03:00] <giard> crimsun: that would be a good configuration for most people, I'd think...
[03:00] <steve_> I can get to my super, but when it calls for the root password, it is not happening
[03:01] <tritium> daniels, well, just trying to do my part be testing the LiveCDs.  ddcprobe is attached for you.  Thanks!
[03:01] <giard> crimsun: I don't see a reason to have polypaudio manage recording, as the latency would make someone use alsa anyway
[03:01] <daniels> tritium: thanks a lot :)
[03:01] <steve_> tritium, any ideas
[03:01] <lOSTmONK> wow, this is just great
[03:01] <Pariente> UZ1 did you get it?
[03:01] <UZ1> working on it
[03:02] <UZ1> was about ot type it
[03:02] <Pariente> ok
[03:02] <tritium> steve_, I'd recommend "sudo -s -H" over using the root account
[03:02] <crimsun> daniels: may I bug you for 30 secs regarding X.Org in Hoary, usb 1.1, and the evdev protocol for driver mouse?
[03:02] <UZ1> w00t
[03:02] <steve_> okay
[03:02] <UZ1> works
[03:02] <UZ1> thank you
[03:02] <Pariente> ok
[03:02] <UZ1> okay, can you explain the noauto,users,exec,ro,umask=000 0 0
[03:02] <steve_> but what about when certain files ask for the root password. like the partition tool
[03:02] <tritium> steve_, they're asking for your password
[03:03] <Pariente> in a terminal write --man fstad-- you'll find the explanation there
[03:03] <UZ1> hehe
[03:03] <steve_> okay, but I do not remember setting up a root password. I tried leaving it blank, same result
[03:03] <UZ1> i am lazy
[03:03] <UZ1> sorry
[03:03] <Pariente> dont worry
[03:04] <Pariente> well all are somo time
[03:04] <Quest-Master> crimsun: It is possible for wxgtk2.4 to use GTK2.. why was it configured to use GTK1?
[03:04] <tritium> steve_, the root account is disabled by default
[03:05] <lOSTmONK> omg, there is no repos ubuntu uses
[03:05] <lOSTmONK> for the love of god
[03:05] <raydogg``> I hate how gnome opens a new window every time you click a folder
[03:05] <daniels> tritium: oh, good god.
[03:05] <steve_> okay, can you tell me to hook this up.
[03:05] <tritium> daniels, what?
[03:05] <Pariente> -ro- mean read only, that's one complicated
[03:05] <tritium> daniels, did I do something stupid?
[03:05] <daniels> tritium: you have an interesting bug that there's no real solution for
[03:05] <daniels> tritium: nope, Apple did
[03:05] <tritium> Oh?
[03:05] <lOSTmONK> what zip app does ubuntu use?
[03:05] <daniels> tritium: i can fix it for your specific case, but I've seen a couple of these bugs now, and it seems the only way to fix it correctly is to just keep blacklisting specific cases
[03:06] <daniels> ah well :)
[03:06] <julio> zip?
[03:06] <daniels> crimsun: sure
[03:06] <Pariente> if you have a nother HD and wanna write on it put -rw- but dont do it with a partition where ugly win is
[03:06] <tritium> daniels, what's the problem?
[03:06] <Pariente> -rw- means -r-ead and -w-rite
[03:06] <paulsth> Hi everybody. I cant seem to get my laptop wlan to connect to my desktop. i've configured it with iwconfig, but it can't connect. Any ideas, please?
[03:07] <giard> paulsth: did you set up the WEP?
[03:07] <giard> paulsth: use the network config
[03:07] <squeaky> anyone know how to change the drive in the linux terminal?
[03:07] <paulsth> giard, wep? i've set essid, mode, key...
[03:07] <julio> change the drive?
[03:07] <squeaky> yea
[03:07] <giard> paulsth: that should do it, can you ping the wireless router?
[03:07] <julio> use "cd" to go to another directory.
[03:08] <julio> if that's what you mean
[03:08] <daniels> tritium: so the standard way to do DDC, right, is to set up an I2C bus on the card and probe it through the card; this varies per-card, and is driver-specific
[03:08] <julio> the command: cd
[03:08] <squeaky> yea
[03:08] <crimsun> daniels: thanks. I have an odd local config where a usb 1.1 hub times out, which causes havoc with my mouse in that /dev/input/event[34]  are continually interchanged between X sessions, so I have to reconfigure /etc/X11/xorg.conf and restart gdm every couple hours. Should I be yelling at the kernel folks, or should I just give up and go back to using /dev/input/mice with protocol "auto"?
[03:08] <steve_> Tritium, are you able to help me out
[03:08] <Pariente> UZ1 got it?
[03:08] <paulsth> giard, it's an ad-hoc network and I cant see how the network tool will let me setup the primary machine so the laptop can access the net thru it
[03:08] <squeaky> but i tried cd C: like in dos and it no work
[03:08] <daniels> tritium: but Apple also expose it via OpenFirmware, and that's a good card-independent way to check it.  so we just look at OpenFirmware.
[03:08] <tritium> steve_, I've been trying.  Did you use your user password?
[03:08] <julio> there is no "C" drive in linux.
[03:08] <paulsth> giard, there's no router, just 2 network cards. both using ndiswrapper
[03:08] <steve_> yeap, no luck on that one
[03:08] <tritium> daniels, I see.
[03:08] <daniels> tritium: now, some cards will do DDC fine through OpenFirmware, but they won't do it all through I2C.  so we look at it in ddcprobe and say 'ah, that's fine then, X can figure it out', but X can't, because DDC/i2c fails
[03:08] <daniels> tritium: apple are guilty of having done this a few times
[03:09] <giard> paulsth: not sure how to do ad hoc, sorry
[03:09] <paulsth> damn. thanks for trying
[03:09] <tritium> daniels, Oh, I see.  Wow.
[03:09] <K-Rich> randabis: you on ?
[03:09] <daniels> crimsun: one way to do it is to have a script that hotplug calls to manage /dev/mouseX (or whatever) symlinks, and then you can kill X with SIGUSR2 to get it to reload all its input devices when the symlink target changes
[03:09] <daniels> crimsun: a woeful hack, but it works
[03:09] <daniels> tritium: yeah.  that's what I said. ;)
[03:09] <tritium> daniels, :)
[03:10] <crimsun> daniels: excellent, thanks for the advice.
[03:10] <tritium> steve_, so you tried "sudo -s -H" with your user password, and it failed?
[03:10] <daniels>  9701 daniels   15   0  375m 172m  14m S  0.7 34.2  61:08.11 firefox-bin
[03:10] <daniels> thanks firefox!
[03:10] <daniels> crimsun: no worries
[03:11] <steve_> well, from a terminal I can do sudo, but when I click on the partition tool throught the link, then it asks for my root password
[03:11] <steve_> kind of weird
[03:11] <tritium> steve_, and when you use your user password there, it fails?
[03:11] <steve_> yeap
[03:11] <tritium> the same one you used with sudo?
[03:11] <steve_> yeah
[03:12] <steve_> I have tried a hundred times, same result
[03:12] <tritium> steve_, maybe your room-mate did setup a root password then
[03:12] <steve_> well, any answers to that one then
[03:12] <Amaranth> steve_: sudo password -l root
[03:12] <Amaranth> err
[03:12] <tritium> yep
[03:12] <Amaranth> wrong command
[03:12] <steve_> okay
[03:12] <tritium> but that's the idea
[03:12] <Amaranth> i forget how they shorten it, it's been awhile
[03:12] <tritium> change root's password
[03:12] <Amaranth> -l locks it
[03:13] <tritium> but I don't understand why it's asking for root's passwd instead of yours
[03:13] <steve_> can you tell me how to change it
[03:13] <steve_> I am not certain either
[03:13] <tritium> steve_, you're in a terminal, having done sudo -s -H, right?
[03:13] <steve_> a first
[03:13] <steve_> yeap, it works
[03:13] <Amaranth> sudo passwd root and change it
[03:13] <Amaranth> or -l and just lock it
[03:13] <tritium> passwd root
[03:13] <steve_> okay
[03:13] <Amaranth> you should just lock it and use sudo
[03:14] <tritium> I agree
[03:14] <steve_> cool, seems to work
[03:14] <steve_> I will try it real quick
[03:14] <steve_> tritium, you are the man
[03:14] <tritium> steve_, still, the configuration apps are supposed to ask for your password
[03:14] <tritium> So I'm not too pleased with how we fixed that
[03:14] <steve_> cool
[03:15] <tritium> but if it works for you...
[03:15] <AndyFitz> libgc 6.4 needs to be added to the repo  lol.  currently 6.3 is the latest in hoary
[03:15] <Amaranth> tritium: You're a dev?
[03:15] <tritium> Amaranth, no...
[03:15] <Amaranth> oh
[03:15] <Amaranth> you mean how we fixed his problem :P
[03:15] <tritium> Amaranth, how come?
[03:15] <Amaranth> not all there right now
[03:15] <tritium> Amaranth, I used "we"
[03:15] <raydogg``> is there a how-to on installing rpm's from ati.com for my radeon video card in ubuntu ?
[03:15] <Amaranth> daniels: PING?
[03:16] <syn-ack> Man, the more I use Rhythmbox, the more I like.
[03:16] <tritium> Amaranth, as in you, me, and steve_
[03:16] <Amaranth> tritium: yeah
[03:16] <AndyFitz> raydoggm  just use fglrx already in the repo
[03:16] <tritium> Amaranth, so what are you correcting me on?  I used "we"...
[03:16] <raydogg``> yeah it works well for 2d
[03:16] <raydogg``> but not for 3d :-(
[03:16] <Amaranth> tritium: i'm not, i was asking a question :P
[03:16] <AndyFitz> fglrx does work well for 3d
[03:16] <tritium> oh, okay
[03:16] <steve_> another question for you tritium. anyway to scan for available wireless networks
[03:17] <Amaranth> steve_: there is a GNOME tray icon thingie that does that
[03:17] <raydogg``> How dou install the kernel source for ubuntu ?
[03:17] <AndyFitz> raydogg`` ,  was playing ut2004 & q3   yesterday fine  with fglrx on a old radeon 9250
[03:17] <Amaranth> I think it might actually be called NetworkManager
[03:17] <tritium> steve_, is this Warty?
[03:17] <steve_> I have to ask, is it already installed
[03:17] <syn-ack> AndyFitz: that leads me to a question, how does that work for the ATI Mobile Radeon IGP 350s?
[03:17] <usual> AndyFitz, hey :)
[03:17] <steve_> I see the power level
[03:17] <AndyFitz> syn-ack,  no idea mate
[03:17] <tritium> steve_, no, NetworkManager is in thom's repository
[03:17] <Amaranth> AndyFitz: The 9250 is supported by the DRI project's driver so Ubuntu was probably using that.
[03:17] <AndyFitz> g'day usual :)
[03:18] <randabis> :( very unhappy
[03:18] <tritium> And I think it's for Hoary, but I'm not sure
[03:18] <steve_> yes
[03:18] <raydogg``> I have a 9700
[03:18] <randabis> ended up having to format the partition
[03:18] <usual> AndyFitz, icons are coming great, oh and btw, the metacity theme grew on me
[03:18] <daniels> Amaranth: sup
[03:18] <usual> AndyFitz, I use the whole theme
[03:18] <randabis> almost 60 GB of data lost
[03:18] <AndyFitz> usual,  the milk-flat rounded metacity ?
[03:18] <Amaranth> daniels: will hoary get X.org 6.8.2?
[03:18] <steve_> Tritium it is Warty
[03:18] <usual> AndyFitz, yeah
[03:19] <tritium> steve_, I'm not aware of a good solution for you on that.
[03:19] <AndyFitz> nice,   I only think it will work once there are drop shadows to give more focus to window borders
[03:19] <steve_> I found a program, I think I will try it and see, ya know
[03:19] <usual> AndyFitz, still working on the iconset?
[03:19] <randabis> streamtuner segfaults :(
[03:20] <AndyFitz> usual,  of course , got another few updates I should put on gnome-look I think
[03:21] <tritium> that was a quick resolution, daniels.  Thanks again.
[03:21] <usual> AndyFitz, oh ok, cool. Look forward to it. I am using the industrial mod you made also
[03:21] <daniels> Amaranth: yes.  it has 6.8.2rc2, and i'm about to upload 6.8.2rc3.
[03:21] <daniels> tritium: no worries, thanks for the report
[03:21] <raydogg``> I need the kernel headers and source so i can compile a kernel module, i tried apt-get install kernel-source but it said no package found
[03:21] <daniels> Amaranth: (and it has Mesa's 6.2.x branch and the i810 and unichrome drivers from HEAD)
[03:21] <AndyFitz> cool,  I was thinking of switching to the clearlooks engine..  but then I noticed the performance was alot worse than industrial
[03:21] <K-Rich> randabis: What is that transparent terminal you use in the root window on your laptop ?
[03:21] <Amaranth> daniels: Cool. Does that have the fix for the rv100 driver?
[03:22] <Amaranth> daniels: Last time I asked about this I thought I was using the r100. (mesa t_vertex)
[03:22] <usual> AndyFitz, nothing like the clean engine
[03:22] <usual> AndyFitz, cleanice? clean something
[03:22] <usual> AndyFitz, the simple gnome theme is fassssttt
[03:22] <AndyFitz> clearlooks  its new on gnome-look.  its based off the bluecurve engine
[03:22] <Boohbah> raydogg``: it must not be called kernel-source then
[03:22] <raydogg``> Yeah i figured, i was hoping someone knew :-)
[03:23] <usual> AndyFitz, downloading it now
[03:23] <AndyFitz> usual,  simple is very fast. I switch to it when doing tedious production work
[03:23] <AndyFitz> usual,  be warned it crashed my machine once
[03:23] <usual> AndyFitz, any chance on modding simple to look better
[03:24] <usual> AndyFitz, I have had X crash 3 times today
[03:24] <arakno> hey, by chance, does anybody know if the unmaximize pixmap was fixed in hoary's default theme?
[03:25] <usual> clearlooks-engine_0.2.2-1_i386.deb
[03:25] <usual> :)
[03:25] <Amaranth> when i get net access back to my hoary machine i'm going to have like 1GB of updates to get :/
[03:26] <usual> AndyFitz, ooo it's nice
[03:26] <AndyFitz> usual,  ouch man... ouch  3 crashes is not fun
[03:26] <usual> AndyFitz, I like clearlooks so far
[03:27] <AndyFitz> I have to confess.,   every now and again I switch to the glossyP theme
[03:27] <tritium> daniels, I'm still puzzled as to how XFree86 got edid data on Warty install, if DDC/i2c fails.
[03:27] <steve_> Tritium, I found a program called kismet, but when I go to compile it, it asks for a C compiler. Any ideas
[03:28] <AndyFitz> usual,  I like clearlooks  but some of the eyecandy things are irritating ..  I did a colourmod to its gtkrc but it didnt grow on me
[03:28] <geppy> how do I rebuild the kernel with option "CONFIG_SECURITY_CAPABILITIES=m"?
[03:28] <daniels> tritium: it always wrote out sync ranges, because it assumed that the X server was stupid
[03:28] <usual> AndyFitz, I would like to see a color mod of simple
[03:28] <usual> AndyFitz, it's sooo snappy
[03:28] <tritium> steve_, "sudo apt-get install build-essential" if you want standard development environment
[03:28] <daniels> Amaranth: i don't think 6.8.2 will, but we patch it in anyway
[03:28] <usual> AndyFitz, it's just so ....grey
[03:28] <tritium> daniels, I see...
[03:28] <steve_> cool, I will try it
[03:29] <Amaranth> steve_: You want NetworkManager.
[03:29] <steve_> what is that
[03:29] <steve_> and where can I get it
[03:30] <Amaranth> it's a tray icon that shows all the wireless networks available to you and whether or not they are protected
[03:30] <steve_> where can I get it
[03:30] <Amaranth> and all i can find is a mailing list post about someone having trouble running it with ubuntu
[03:30] <AndyFitz> cleanice is actually really fast too
[03:30] <tritium> steve_, that's the one that I mentioned is in thom's repository
[03:31] <tritium> Amaranth, isn't that for Hoary?
[03:31] <steve_> cool, do you have the Url for that one
[03:31] <daniels> Amaranth: it's a solved problem
[03:31] <steve_> I do have Warty
[03:31] <gnum4n> I am running the AMD64 build how can I get things like DVD playback working?
[03:31] <Amaranth> daniels: Good to know, it's really nice looking.
[03:31] <usual> AndyFitz, your the art guy...make it pretty! :)
[03:31] <steve_> Tritium, I tried the apt install and it did not see the file
[03:31] <usual> AndyFitz, tried this? http://art.gnome.org/images/thumbnails/gtk2/GTK2-Iceberg-Shot.png
[03:32] <tritium> Stereotype, http://people.ubuntu.com/~thom/network-manager/
[03:32] <tritium> oops
[03:32] <steve_> cool
[03:32] <tritium> steve_, see that link I sent to Stereotype (sorry!)
[03:32] <steve_> it is alright
[03:32] <AndyFitz> usual,  I guess I am an art guy hey.  will have a gtkrc hack up later tonight then :)
[03:33] <Amaranth> oh, NetworkManager needed a new dbus
[03:33] <Amaranth> so i'm guessing that's a hoary only thing
[03:33] <usual> AndyFitz, good stuff, I think with the right colors ...cleanice would be sooo sweet
[03:33] <usual> AndyFitz, mist is very light as well
[03:34] <geppy> How can you reinstall something without removing it first?
[03:34] <JConnell> I've installed reiserfs4progs, and formatted a partition with reiser in qtparted, but it just says "reiserfs"...is there a way I can make sure if its 3.6 or 4.0?
[03:34] <tritium> geppy, apt-get install --reinstall
[03:34] <geppy> tritium:  Thanks!
[03:34] <tritium> sure
[03:35] <AndyFitz> usua,  yeah cleanice is pretty sweet.   I think etiquette will eventually use the pixmap engine  tho  ( just because it gives more visual options )
[03:35] <usual> AndyFitz, thats all good, but whatever happens it's got to be a balance of light and pretty
[03:36] <AndyFitz> usua,  I do most production on a celery 500  with 128mb sdram .,... whatever I end up with will be light  in my opinion lol
[03:36] <usual> AndyFitz, haha agreed
[03:37] <AndyFitz> if it runs its passes the test
[03:37] <AndyFitz> okay mate I gotta head to the office,   seeya usual
[03:38] <usual> AndyFitz, cya
[03:39] <geppy> How can you purge an application?
[03:39] <fluo> geppy: do you mean uninstall?
[03:39] <tritium> geppy, apt-get remove --purge, or dpkg --purge
[03:39] <geppy> fluo:  I uninstalled, but it didn't all go away.
[03:39] <usual> geppy, dpkg --purge package
[03:39] <geppy> Thanks.
[03:41] <geppy> hrm...
[03:41] <geppy> I've now reinstalled, and the app claims that it can't be found.
[03:42] <geppy> Oh, it's just in a different bin
[03:44] <flibble> hi
[03:46] <Quest-Master> http://tr.openmonkey.com/files/images/ubuntuubuntu.jpg <-- haha, that is awesome
[03:47] <squeaky> THANK YOU ALL
[03:47] <geppy> haha
[03:47] <geppy> that _is- cool
[03:47] <squeaky> i got it working from the bios setup
[03:47] <squeaky> the second hard drive was off :-D
[03:47] <flibble> yah
[03:48] <squeaky> I LOVE YOU ALL
[03:48] <flibble> nice to see a bigass telcodoing something good also
[03:48] <squeaky> PHYSICALLY
[03:56] <xvers> hey.. can anyone please help me with my apt-get sources.list
[03:56] <xvers> i just installed ubuntu and i think i need to update it
[03:57] <fluo> xvers: what do you need?
[03:57] <xvers> an updated sources.list
[03:57] <yellowshark> hi all
[03:57] <fluo> do you want to add universe, metaverse and other repositories?
[03:58] <yellowshark> has anyone had any problems with Warty and firefox/mozilla starting up?
[03:58] <xvers> my apt-get install command never works
[03:58] <fluo> xvers: have you tried synaptic?
[03:58] <paulsth> arrrgh! i'm tearing my hair out! is it even POSSIBLE to connect two wireless network cards without a wireless router??
[03:59] <xskoulax> yellowshark, firefox running like a champ on this warty install
[03:59] <xvers> for example apt-get install xmms    e: package xmms has no installation candidate
[03:59] <yellowshark> xskoulax: mine was working for a few days, but now, I click on the icon (or start it from a terminal session) and it just sits there, no error messages, or anything
[03:59] <jmhodges> paulsth: one must be set up as a dhcp server of some kind i would assume
[03:59] <xvers> synaptic doesnt seem to update
[04:00] <jmhodges> paulsth: or both machines would have to have ip numbers set some other way
[04:00] <flibble> yellowshark... try the full path to the executable
[04:00] <mike998> yellowshark: I get some delays with firefox starting...have you tried opening a terminal and using the top command to see if anything is happening
[04:00] <paulsth> jmhodges, but how does one do the dhcp setup? the network tool doesn't seem to show me
[04:00] <jmhodges> you install dhcpd
[04:00] <jmhodges> which is somewhere in there..
[04:00] <jmhodges> something like dhcp-server etc
[04:01] <yellowshark> flibble: just tried it, same behavior
[04:01] <nappies> i just installed ubuntu and it loads everything and then displays a blank screen
[04:01] <fluo> xvers: i'd try going into synaptic, going to settings > repositories and making sure that all of them are enabled
[04:01] <jmhodges> when netbooting a machine are pkgs grabbed over the internet or can a "base system" be installed and more can be added later?
[04:01] <yellowshark> mike998: nothing in top, but there are firefox processes running.  I've tried killing the processes and restarting, but nothing happens that way either
[04:01] <fluo> xvers: and then tell it to reload
[04:01] <paulsth> jmhodges, so it's as easy as installing (guessing) dhcp-server ?
[04:01] <flibble> yellowshark: any error msg ?
[04:01] <mike998> yellowshark: just thought I would ask
[04:01] <jmhodges> paulsth: possibly
[04:01] <jmhodges> you might want to look into it
[04:01] <xvers> thanks fluo
[04:01] <xskoulax> yellowshark, you installed anything or messed with any configuration stuff recently??
[04:02] <xvers> ill try it
[04:02] <yellowshark> flibble: nothing, nothing in the logs, no error to stdout, nothing loads
[04:02] <jmhodges> it depends on what you mean by "connecting two wireless cards"
[04:02] <fluo> xvers: if that doesn't work, i can try helping you with the source list via a text editor
[04:02] <paulsth> jmhodges, just an ad-hoc network with two wlan cards
[04:02] <yellowshark> xskoulax: No, I really haven't had a chance to mess with much, I just switched from debian to ubuntu a few days ago
[04:02] <flibble> yellowshark: so you type something like: '/usr/bin/firefox' and nothing happens at all ?
[04:03] <yellowshark> flibble:  correct, no output or anything, just a blank line
[04:03] <flibble> yellowshark: i don't know if that's the right path, just an example btw
[04:03] <flibble> yellowshark: try ps -Al in a term
[04:03] <yellowshark> flibble: and for what it's worth, mozilla won't start up either
[04:03] <jmhodges> paulsth: then yep, should just be that easy.. however, you wont be able to access the internet without some other equipment
[04:03] <yellowshark> flibble: however I just installed epiphany (when I was having firefox trouble) and it works just fine
[04:03] <paulsth> jmhodges, yeah my desktop is wired to a router. i just want to get my laptop to use that connection
[04:03] <xskoulax> yellowshark, no idea i'm afraid.  All i can suggest is to whip out apt and reinstall firefox
[04:04] <paulsth> i've been trying for weeks
[04:04] <flibble> yellowshark: i agree with xskoulax
[04:04] <jmhodges> paulsth: ah, then what you really need to do is set up the desktop as a gateway
[04:04] <xskoulax> \o/ someone agreed with me on a linux issue
[04:04] <paulsth> jmhodges, how do I go about that?
[04:04] <jmhodges> paulsth: check out tldp.org for more info
[04:04] <jmhodges> search around for the networking HOWTOs
[04:04] <xvers> fluo.. i think its doing to work.. its downloading.. thanks a lot
[04:04] <paulsth> jmhodges, will do
[04:05] <jmhodges> there'll be a ton of extremely handy stuff in there
[04:05] <fluo> xvers: you're welcome
[04:05] <jmhodges> im not very experienced in gateway creation, etc
[04:05] <linuxwig> curse you evolution
[04:05] <yellowshark> well, I was a little intimidated when I did an apt-get remove mozilla-firefox and it asked if it was ok that it remove ubuntu-desktop
[04:05] <paulsth> jmhodges, thanks though, at least there's some hope
[04:05] <jmhodges> linuxwig: wishing you were rid of your pinky toe already?
[04:05] <jmhodges> paulsth: definitely, it shouldn't be anything more than a few iptable commands
[04:05] <linuxwig> jmhodges: i can't convince 2.1.4 to talk to either of my IMAP accounts :(
[04:06] <jmhodges> suck :-/
[04:06] <linuxwig> and i checked with sylpheed to make sure they were working and there's no problem at all
[04:06] <stuNNed> what is the name of the .deb for alsaplayer?
[04:06] <mike998> yellowshark: if you do that and everything is okay, can you let me know?
[04:06] <yellowshark> I hadn't planned on removing ubuntu-desktop, that's pretty critical isn't it?
[04:06] <faddat> okay
[04:06] <mike998> what does it do?
[04:07] <lordan> yellowshark, ubuntu-desktop is just a meta-package..
[04:07] <yellowshark> also, I'm not sure if anyone ran into this one (I'm thinking of filing a bug report) but Nautilus wouldn't start for me, and I found the famd process was going crazy, so I killed famd and nautilus started fine
[04:07] <linuxwig> jmhodges: by and large most things are actually working correctly, though, now that i've upgraded to hoary
[04:07] <yellowshark> lordan: so it won't actually remove any packages, just the meta package?
[04:07] <jmhodges> hoary is great
[04:07] <jmhodges> but it'll eat your soul
[04:07] <faddat> can anyone point me in the right direction for moving FROM MandrakeLinux 10.1 TO Ubuntu?  All I need to have remaining at the end is /home.  I'm trying and having trouble with it (it keeps saying there's something wrong with /dev/hda6 (/home).
[04:07] <linuxwig> the hal stuff in warty did not get along with intel's new crazy chipset
[04:08] <jmhodges> really?
[04:08] <jmhodges> hunh..
[04:08] <jmhodges> good to know
[04:08] <linuxwig> yeah, it would lock up as soon as the daemon started
[04:08] <lordan> yes. ubuntu-desktop just depends on other packages
[04:08] <linuxwig> at least, i'm pretty sure it was dbus
[04:08] <faddat> I'm grabbing hoary right now, actually it just finished downloading
[04:08] <linuxwig> either way, something didn't get along with the computer
[04:08] <jmhodges> linuxboy: natch
[04:08] <lordan> yellowshark, are you on hoary
[04:08] <yellowshark> nope, warty
[04:08] <lordan> in that case fam should go
[04:08] <linuxwig> and it took a little creativity to get broadcom's own custom driver compiled and inserted
[04:08] <faddat> so I'll be rebooting and checking it out soon, see if the problem just "goes away".  Anyone heard of something like this or anything like that?
[04:08] <linuxwig> when the NIC doesn't work and there's no floppy drive
[04:09] <lordan> as in die
[04:09] <lordan> do you have gamin installed?
[04:09] <linuxwig> but now i'm groovin' and all i need is an xorg upgrade that can use non-standard resolutions with the i915, so i can switch to 1680x1050 finally
[04:09] <linuxwig> other than that, everything's awesome 8)
[04:09] <yellowshark> should I blow away my .mozilla directory too?
[04:10] <jmhodges> linuxboy: nice :)
[04:10] <jmhodges> good luck with all that
[04:10] <lordan> speaking of xorg, does anybody happen to have a tnt2 card?
[04:10] <linuxwig> i would upgrade the video card in here, but i have no idea what i would upgrade it to
[04:10] <lordan> and xorg, linux-2.6.10 *and* dri working?
[04:10] <linuxwig> since it has to be a half-height pci express video card
[04:11] <linuxwig> which limits me to the radeon X300 and nothing else, basically
[04:11] <yellowshark> now here's an interesting error message
[04:11] <yellowshark> apt-get install mozilla-firefox ubuntu-desktop
[04:11] <linuxwig> evolution gave me an interesting error message when i went to figure out what was going on with the IMAP
[04:11] <nappies> i just finished installing ubuntu and it loads up until right before login and then displays a blank screen
[04:11] <mike998> oh... btw if anyone is interested... I was having a problem with getting cedega to have any sound when playing games... turns out that the sound server should be disabled in Gnome
[04:12] <linuxwig> "wtf is this: *** NO DATA ***"
[04:12] <yellowshark> Media Change: Please insert the disc labelled 'Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_
[04:12] <linuxwig> yellowshark: remove the cdrom from /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:13] <yellowshark> linuxwig: ohh, does it put that there by default?
[04:13] <linuxwig> yeah, i think so
[04:13] <lordan> it does
[04:13] <linuxwig> i removed it to keep my computer from asking for the CD
[04:13] <linuxwig> not that it would anyway now that i've updated to hoary
[04:13] <lordan> the installer actually informs you that it has added the cd
[04:13] <lordan> to sources.list
[04:14] <jmhodges> when netbooting a machine are pkgs grabbed over the internet or can a "base system" be installed and more can be added later?
[04:14] <linuxwig> it installs a very base system
[04:14] <jmhodges> ahh ok awesome
[04:14] <linuxwig> at least, debian does, i assume ubuntu's netboot is probably the same
[04:14] <bob2> the whole ubuntu-desktop system is installed by default
[04:14] <jmhodges> thanks linuxwig
[04:14] <speel> hey im about to install ubuntu .. i just want to know is there any cd writing utilities that come with it?
[04:14] <linuxwig> so it gives you a bootable system, but you really need a network connection to do anything useful
[04:14] <linuxwig> speel: nautilus is capable of cd burning
[04:15] <jmhodges> if its all in those netboot files they have up on the site, than thats all i need
[04:15] <bob2> speel: of course
[04:15] <linuxwig> though i've not tried it myself yet
[04:15] <bob2> jmhodges: no
[04:15] <speel> ah yes i completly for got tha
[04:15] <speel> that*
[04:15] <jmhodges> bob2: :(
[04:15] <linuxwig> i tried to convince libdvdcss to work with totem, but it didn't work :(
[04:15] <jmhodges> damn..
[04:15] <bob2> jmhodges: that's the installer.  everything else (ubuntu-desktop) is downloaded off a mirror.
[04:15] <yellowshark> :-( removing and reinstall didn't fix the problem
[04:15] <speel> thanks ;)
[04:15] <jmhodges> bob2: fsck..
[04:15] <jmhodges> bob2: i wont have an internet connection when i netboot :-/
[04:15] <bob2> yellowshark: reinstalling things is almost never a useful way to fix a problem
[04:16] <bob2> jmhodges: then you need to setup a netboot system (tftp, dhcp and the netboot files off a ubuntu mirror) and a copy of the cd as your local mirror to install from.
[04:16] <nappies> thanks this is great support
[04:16] <yellowshark> bob2: You're right, but when I'm out of ideas, I ask for help, and it was a suggestion
[04:16] <nappies> nice OS honestly good job
[04:16] <jmhodges> bob2: right, so like an ftpd on my desktop along with tftpd, dhcpd, etc ?
[04:16] <bob2> yellowshark: the "error" was it just asking you for a cd
[04:17] <bob2> jmhodges: well, I'd go with http, but yeah
[04:17] <jmhodges> bob2: natch
[04:17] <yellowshark> bob2: no, I received that error when trying to reinstall the package
[04:17] <yellowshark> bob2: the "error" that I'm having is firefox and mozilla won't start
[04:18] <bob2> jmhodges: note that the warty cd does not contain enough stuff to setup a netboot server
[04:20] <delltony> anyone have a link to where i can get the libdvdcss2 by chance?
[04:20] <jmhodges> bob2: right, so i need to essential grab all of the pkgs from a mirror and toss them on my desktop machine right?
[04:20] <bob2> delltony: please read the wiki
[04:20] <bob2> jmhodges: no
[04:21] <FR500> hello
[04:21] <jmhodges> bob2: ok :-/
[04:21] <bob2> delltony: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:21] <delltony> let me go and read it i have it in the resportory i thought
[04:21] <delltony> but its not working
[04:21] <bob2> jmhodges: you need a cd or a local mirror to install from.  in addition, you need to copy a bunch of files (maybe 5MB worth) off an ubuntu mirror and setup your tftp server to serve them.
[04:23] <delltony> yeah i had the wrong link in there thanks bob i had read it before but the link had changed
[04:23] <jmhodges> bob2: well.. right.. i wont have a cdrom on the machine im installing ubuntu on, so i'll need a local mirror.  theres the netboot files i've already grabbed in preparation of the install off the ubuntu website, but i need to create a mirror on the desktop machine as the local mirror yes?
[04:23] <jmhodges> the netboot files i've grabbed are already set up, and ill i need to do is install tftpd, dhcpd etc to get them to be served
[04:24] <bob2> jmhodges: mount the cd on another machine and serve the root of the cd via ftp/http
[04:24] <jmhodges> ah, ok, i misunderstood what you meant by "note that the warty cd does not contain enough stuff to setup a netboot server"
[04:25] <bob2> it is missing the correct kernel and initrd
[04:32] <niptac> is ubuntu debian?
[04:32] <FR500> yes
[04:32] <Quest-Master> niptac: It is based on Debian and very similar to it
[04:32] <bitfoo> whats up :|
[04:32] <bitfoo> i need the help :|
[04:32] <bitfoo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=13365
[04:32] <bitfoo> :/
[04:35] <niptac> The synaptic in ubuntu only shows that there are some 2271 packages available, I thought there were supposed to be around 15 000 as in debian
[04:37] <Quest-Master> niptac: Do you have universe and multiverse enabled?
[04:39] <niptac> Quest-Master I only enabled the first 2 lines as it mentions in sources.list, it says that universe packages are not supported by ubuntu team and there is no security updates for it so I only enabled the 2 lines "archive.ubuntu.com" for warty
[04:39] <linuxwig> mystery solved
[04:40] <bitfoo> RAWRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
[04:41] <Quest-Master> niptac: You should enable multiverse and universe still. They are quite stable and I bet everyone on this channel has them enabled.
[04:41] <Quest-Master> They really don't cause that many problems.
[04:41] <niptac> I see
[04:42] <FLeiXiuS> niptac: The universe and multiverse include almost all of the packages out there, they are almost standardized as stable.
[04:42] <niptac> there is only a universe url in sources.list whats the multiverse url?
[04:42] <niptac> ok
[04:42] <Agrajag> same thing
[04:42] <FLeiXiuS> http://ubuntuguide.org
[04:42] <bitfoo> you type multiverse after it
[04:42] <bitfoo> :|
[04:43] <FLeiXiuS> Read up on there, it has a lot of starters
[04:43] <Agrajag> just add multiverse after universe on that line
[04:43] <niptac> thanks I'l read it
[04:43] <niptac> ok thanks for help
[04:47] <bitfoo> :|
[04:47] <bitfoo> someone help the bitfoo :(
[04:47] <bitfoo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=13365
[04:48] <bob2> you're more likely to get a good answer on the list than on the forums
[04:48] <bitfoo> the list?
[04:49] <bob2> bitfoo: cat /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug
[04:49] <bob2> what does that print out?
[04:49] <bitfoo> /sbin/hotplug
[04:50] <bob2> hm
[04:52] <britt_radiofree> yo
[04:52] <bitfoo> :}
[04:52] <bitfoo> j0
[04:52] <britt_radiofree> any ruby guys around?
[04:52] <bitfoo> O_o
[04:54] <bob2> bitfoo: does "ls /lib/hotplug/firmware/ipw2100-*-$(uname -r)" print anything?
[04:55] <bitfoo> ls: /lib/hotplug/firmware/ipw2100-*-2.6.10.acpihack: No such file or directory
[04:56] <bob2> well, there you go
[04:57] <bob2> rebuild the kernel and don't twiddle the version
[04:57] <bitfoo> ?
[04:57] <bitfoo> dont twiddle? :|
[04:57] <bob2> you changed the version
[04:57] <bitfoo> the wiki said --append-version :/
[04:57] <bob2> also, that kernel building howto is crap
[04:57] <bitfoo> oh :|
[04:57] <bitfoo> crap i have to rebuild it O_O
[04:57] <bob2> ogra: why do you have people building kernels in /usr/src/?
[04:58] <bitfoo> you should change it bob2 if its wrong
[04:58] <bitfoo> so clueless noobs like me dont mess up again :|
[04:58] <britt_radiofree> just using ruby (specifically rubygems) is good enough :)
[05:02] <britt_radiofree> any ruby users around?
[05:04] <faddat> So, I bet that Hoary doesn't startup non-graphical by default, does it?
[05:04] <bob2> indeed
[05:05] <melazyboy2> ...
[05:05] <melazyboy2> it depends on what you mean by default
[05:05] <HrdwrBoB> faddat: well no
[05:05] <jayeola> hi guys, does anyone have the url for the multiverse?
[05:05] <HrdwrBoB> faddat: the vast majority of people want X
[05:05] <HrdwrBoB> jayeola: simply append multiverse the the sources.list line
[05:06] <Agrajag> jayeola: you know the line that has "universe" at the end?
[05:06] <faddat> mkay
[05:06] <HrdwrBoB> or the sections area in synaptic
[05:06] <melazyboy2> jayeola: same url in your /etc/apt/sources.list just in multiverse folder
[05:06] <faddat> I may need a bit o install help, if anyone is willing to give it to me
[05:06] <HrdwrBoB> faddat: sure, what's the problem
[05:06] <faddat> I'm just trying to use my same ol /home (which is an ext3 partition)
[05:06] <faddat> from a mandrake install
[05:06] <penguinpimp> newbie needs help with java, using firefox
[05:06] <faddat> and I point hoary at the right place for /
[05:07] <faddat> and the right place for swap
[05:07] <faddat> and the right place for /home
[05:07] <faddat> and I get non-graphical
[05:07] <faddat> ATI video card
[05:08] <faddat> I'm using Hoary array 3
[05:08] <faddat> and it installs just great
[05:08] <bob2> if yo did a fresh install and X didn't come up, youve found a bug
[05:09] <faddat> has a problem installing some updated packages, tho, so I'm going to tell it not to update the packages this time and see what happens
[05:09] <faddat> I may have found a bug!
[05:09] <bob2> assuming the cd is ok, etc
[05:10] <FAST> welp....... ubuntu just crashed hardcore on me.      though  i should say that TotemPlayer is to blame.  clicked a file in the recent file history, and it came up with a billion error messages "unable to open"
[05:11] <melazyboy2> i have an idea, we require a certain understanding of linux before dpkg allows a hoary install. maybe a quiz, a short test of some sort
[05:11] <FAST> and my X file is not proper
[05:11] <faddat> bob2: Well, I believe that the CD is okay
[05:11] <faddat> no errors on boot
[05:11] <FAST> so can someone suggest to me what configuration commands i can run from the console to get back into the GUI
[05:11] <bob2> "believe". go check.
[05:11] <lightcap_> any idea why mail wouldn't be sending with calls to mail() in php4? I can send mail fine with a call to mailx...
[05:11] <melazyboy2> FAST: 'gdm' or 'startx'
[05:12] <faddat> uh, checksums good?
[05:12] <melazyboy2> lightcap_: #php might?
[05:12] <lightcap_> and /usr/sbin/sendmail exists
[05:12] <FAST> i need configration tools,         i tried to run  XFree86 -configure, but it said something about glade not being installed (though im sure it is).     i need a configration tool to make my  conf file proper
[05:12] <faddat> (I'm sorry-- it *is* good)
[05:12] <lightcap_> well, it's pretty simple from the php perspective...it uses the underlying mail subsystem in *nix
[05:13] <lightcap_> melazyboy2: so its likely a postfix in unbuntu issue...
[05:14] <bitfoo> HOORAY FOR BOOBIES.
[05:14] <FAST> you said it
[05:14] <bob2> please stay on topic
[05:15] <bob2> lightcap_: read your logs.
[05:15] <faddat> So, what I'm going to do is take my good ubuntu disc and *not* do the dynamic update during the install, and see how it pans out.
[05:15] <FAST> someone recommended a command to run   "sudo " something, to configure X server, and set up my x conf file
[05:15] <faddat> Sound good?
[05:15] <FAST> anyone know what that is?
[05:16] <FAST> or is there a way to remove the configuration file for the X server, and run a tool to make a new one for me
[05:16] <melazyboy2> FAST: google is your friend
[05:16] <lightcap_> bob2: nothing there.
[05:16] <lightcap_> bob2: not in mail.err, mail.log or mail.info
[05:16] <lightcap_> but logging is working, since calls to mailx result in entries
[05:18] <paulst> hi again all
[05:18] <bob2> lightcap_: sounds like php is misconfigured somehow, try #php
[05:18] <bob2> FAST: why do you think your X config is broken?
[05:18] <paulst> i#'m trying to get dhcp-server to offer leases on wlan0, but i'm struggling. i cant get the dhcp3-server to start
[05:18] <paulst> anybody know about this stuff?
[05:19] <FR500> server?
[05:19] <FAST> bob2: earlier i was running some configuration in hopes that it would set my default resolution at 1024x768, instead of having 1280x1024 every single time i logged into ubuntu.    then the computer crashed as i said earlier, and now im stuck with not being able to get into the GUI at all
[05:20] <bob2> er, ok
[05:20] <decklin> paulst: do you have a subnet that you're going to serve for declared?
[05:20] <lightcap_> bob2: Im actually concerned that since these are debian based packages, they'd have been compiled to look for exim mail executables...
[05:20] <melazyboy2> FAST: are you running hoary or warty?
[05:20] <FAST> warty
[05:20] <bob2> lightcap_: no, they won't be
[05:20] <paulst> decklin, I dont know what the entry should look like in the conf file
[05:20] <lightcap_> though they should always be configured to look for /usr/sbin/sendmail and /var/lib/sendmail anyhow
[05:20] <melazyboy2> FAST: try dpkg-reconfig x-window-server
[05:20] <bob2> lightcap_: the former, yes
[05:21] <melazyboy2> FAST or rather, 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure x-window-server'
[05:21] <FAST> thanks
[05:22] <daniels> er
[05:22] <paulst> decklin, I have a subnet, but never having done anything to do with networking before, I dont know what it means/does
[05:23] <daniels> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:23] <monk_> which deb is ubuntu based off?
[05:23] <monk_> woody, sagre, what?
[05:23] <monk_> unstable?
[05:23] <melazyboy2> daniels: he is using warty
[05:23] <daniels> lightcap_: debian allows you to use postfix as well, and sendmail and ssmtp and whatever, and they are all equally supported
[05:23] <decklin> paulst: well, for example... i use eth1 for my internal network (this machine NATs for it)
[05:23] <daniels> monk_: sid
[05:23] <daniels> melazyboy2: in that case, xserver-xfree86
[05:23] <FR500> paulst, what is ur dhcp server?
[05:23] <FR500> a router? or you wantit to be the pc?
[05:23] <FAST> hope this works
[05:24] <monk_> thanks
[05:24] <decklin> paulst: it's <IP_ADDRESS>. so the declaration is... subnet <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS> { range <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS>; option routers <IP_ADDRESS>; }
[05:24] <paulst> daniels, FR500, I have a desktop wired to a router. and I want my laptop to connect to it through it's wlan0 device
[05:24] <paulst> adhoc network
[05:24] <FR500> adhoc?
[05:24] <FR500> so both pcs have wireless?
[05:24] <paulst> FR500, yes
[05:24] <melazyboy2> decklin: that sounds aweful
[05:25] <FR500> why use dhcp then
[05:25] <FR500> an static ip will work just as fine
[05:25] <aToaster> is there a quick way to check what kernel version I'm running?
[05:25] <paulst> I was told thats what I needed to do
[05:25] <jdub> aToaster: uname -a
[05:25] <decklin> melazyboy2: ?
[05:25] <FR500> oh
[05:25] <paulst> FR500, how do I configure it with a static ip?
[05:25] <FR500> well i would asing manually ips to both
[05:25] <faddat> I didn't update dynamically this time
[05:25] <faddat> and
[05:25] <faddat> It's installing a whole ton of packages
[05:26] <aToaster> jdub, thanks
[05:26] <faddat> but at one point it told me that it was specifically excluding GCC from the install.  This confused me greatly.  Can anyone offer me a pearl of wisdom?  (I'm talking about Hoary Array3)
[05:27] <melazyboy2> decklin: just awed that your using /3 for network on a class C address, when you could make it a class B address, use a whole byte for network and have a whole byte for client
[05:28] <penguinitus> hello all...wondering if anyone knows how I can add a nice background image to the boot screen, like in gentoo or fedora...etc
[05:28] <regeya> man, the Ruby on Rails people weren't kidding when they said that installing it on Debian would be a PITA
[05:29] <daniels> faddat: we don't believe that gcc is required in the default install, so we exclude it: if you want to build stuff, install build-essential at the least
[05:29] <monk_> why is there no damn link for the file manager?
[05:29] <decklin> melazyboy2: which would get me what, exactly?
[05:29] <regeya> what I've seen so far tells me that it's UNBELIEVABLY SIMPLE
[05:31] <regeya> http://blog.leetsoft.com/articles/read/8 <- why some ruby people hate debian
[05:31] <melazyboy2> decklin: it just seems odd to dedicate more bits to network on a class C addy w/ an island address =/
[05:31] <bob2> monk_: "link"?
[05:32] <monk_> argh
[05:32] <monk_> this is insane
[05:32] <decklin> melazyboy2: if you can provide a reason why, by all means, i'm listening. i'll file a bug on the ISC documentation.
[05:32] <monk_> whats the text editor in ubuntu?
[05:32] <jdub> there are many
[05:33] <monk_> basic, so i can alter my sources.lst
[05:33] <faddat> Well
[05:33] <faddat> I've installed
[05:33] <halonine> applications -> accesories
[05:33] <halonine> If you're using Gnome.
[05:33] <faddat> turns out that the whole problem was one that I was having being unfamiliar with APT
[05:33] <monk_> i gotta run it outta a rot terminal
[05:33] <faddat> and the dynamic update process with UBUNTU
[05:33] <monk_> root*
[05:33] <faddat> and so the reason it wasn't starting X was that I was still in the setup subroutine
[05:34] <FAST> well... that didn't work. :(.       here's what i got:    "unable to find valid framebuffer device"      "nv(0) faile to open framebuffer device"    "fatal server error: no screens found"
[05:35] <melazyboy2> decklin: it will work, just awkward, every time i do it i just a whole byte to network and use class B island, 192,168.0.0 or class A island <IP_ADDRESS>, don't have to subnet or think about more complex ANDing =/
[05:36] <melazyboy2> decklin: matter of style i suppose
[05:36] <FAST> melazyboy2: any suggestions?
[05:38] <melazyboy2> FAST: you tried daniel's correct way of doing it? 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86'
[05:38] <FR500> why is that network config screen always seem to hang
[05:38] <FR500> the it gets back after a while
[05:38] <monk_> is there anyting special i gotta do to add repos to my sources.lst?
[05:39] <melazyboy2> monk_: edit as superuser
[05:39] <rempresen1> how do i install a .dev that i just downloaded?
[05:39] <melazyboy2> rempresen1: dpkg -r
[05:39] <melazyboy2> err
[05:39] <monk_> i did that
[05:39] <froust> Does anyone know of an easy way to resize a bunch of images (they're all the same resolution/size, i just need them 30% of what they are)
[05:39] <melazyboy2> rempresen1: dpkg -i
[05:39] <rempresen1> thanks
[05:39] <monk_> but when i load synaptic, i get errors for the new repos
[05:40] <rempresen1> it said that they were dependency problems
[05:41] <monk_> Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[05:41] <monk_> wtf is that?
[05:42] <M3ta> do an apt-get update first
[05:42] <FAST> melazyboy2: yes, that's the one that was able to execute. i went through the setup and it was all fine. then tried startx, and got those error messages after it failed
[05:42] <monk_> ok
[05:42] <monk_> aha
[05:42] <monk_> cuz i added like 10 repos
[05:43] <melazyboy2> FAST: got me =/
[05:43] <melazyboy2> FAST: might want to try again with no X modules
[05:43] <FAST> melazyboy2: what do you mean?
[05:43] <M3ta> interesting. phpsysinfo sees "distro name" as "debian 3.1". seems like someone forgot some details of the "brading" ;)
[05:43] <lmurillo> hello
[05:43] <M3ta> branding*
[05:44] <lmurillo> I need somewhat of an explanation on how Ubuntu manages the printers, does it use CUPS or not?
[05:44] <jdub> it does
[05:44] <melazyboy2> FAST: run the command again when it asks you what x modules you want select nothing or unselect what is selected
[05:44] <monk_> how do i find an app that installs and DOESNT show up on my menu?
[05:45] <FAST> ok, so go through that setup again, but just deselect all of them? then finish that configurating, and run 'startx' ?
[05:45] <M3ta> monk_: you might try an 'updatedb' then a 'locate'
[05:45] <melazyboy2> FAST: its an idea =/
[05:45] <lmurillo> ok, so it uses CUPS, now how do I enable it so other systems can print over the network, without using samba
[05:45] <monk_> but how can i add it on the menu?
[05:46] <M3ta> monk_: use the menu editor? :)
[05:46] <melazyboy2> FAST: what video driver are you telling it to use, and what video card do you have
[05:46] <FAST> melazyboy2: NVidia / Vanta
[05:46] <FAST> i was using the one "nv"
[05:47] <monk_> which is where?
[05:47] <melazyboy2> FAST: hrm sounds good to me
[05:47] <lmurillo> the last time I had it working, with another distro, was by using the http address of the printer, it worked great and I had cups configured in a way that would only allow traffic from @IF(eth0)
[05:47] <FAST> melazyboy2: well here is the error message again:       "unable to find valid framebuffer device"      "nv(0) faile to open framebuffer device"    "fatal server error: no screens found"
[05:48] <aToaster> Anyone with a x800 manage to get the new ATI drivers to work?
[05:48] <monk_> where is the menu editor?
[05:49] <froust> toaster: i have a 9700 and no luck... they're still kinda... rough\
[05:49] <melazyboy2> FAST: don't know you will have to google fro that
[05:49] <melazyboy2> I have a 9600PRO no joy for me im using 2.6.11-rc2-mm2
[05:49] <dr_willis> Hmm
[05:50] <dr_willis> I got my ATi9700 working Under Ubuntu
[05:50] <aToaster> fglrxconfig doesn't even have an option for x800, heh
[05:50] <dr_willis> no idea about the x800 however.
[05:50] <aToaster> dr_willis: new drivers? whats your glxgears fps?
[05:50] <dr_willis> aToaster,  let me check.
[05:50] <dr_willis> I just got the drivers from snayoptic and altered ati in the xf86config to be "flgrx" or somthing
[05:50] <faddat1> okay, so now I've got another good question
[05:51] <faddat1> I'm up and running in UBUNTU
[05:51] <aToaster> dr_willis: oh, those aren't the newest drivers though, ATI released some as of this January
[05:51] <faddat1> but, the simple task of playing an MP3 file eludes me.  Do I need some sort of PLF-ish thing?
[05:51] <dr_willis> 2451 fps with glxtears
[05:51] <aToaster> Cedega work with the old ATI drivers?  Want to get WoW to work
[05:51] <dr_willis> aToaster,  yea they did. :P but i was suprised i got ANY of them to work
[05:51] <FAST> faddat: you can install the xmms package ?
[05:52] <dr_willis> i tried the new ati drivers with SUSE.. and for some reason it made X crash a lot.
[05:52] <dr_willis> i think they were the new ones..
[05:52] <faddat1> FAST: I'm sorry but as a total newbie to apt-get you'd have to tell me the best way to start doing such
[05:52] <dr_willis> its hard to tell these days
[05:52] <dr_willis> apt-get install xmms
[05:52] <dr_willis> apt-get install mpg123
[05:52] <dr_willis> is a nother player.
[05:52] <dr_willis> mpg123 foo.mp3
[05:53] <dr_willis> should play the file.
[05:53] <aToaster> dr_willis: wait sorry, so you did get Cedega to work?
[05:53] <faddat1> is there a plugin I could feed to Totem and Rhythmbox that I could just make them happy with?
[05:53] <dr_willis> aToaster,  never used Cedega - was going to try it out. but my main pc is nvidia.. the linxu box is ati.
[05:53] <crimsun> 'mpg123' is in 'multiverse'; 'xmms' and 'mpg321' are in 'universe'
[05:54] <bzbb> what is cedega?
[05:54] <dr_willis> i was going to use Cedga on my Nvidia based new machine.. but ubuntu dident like it.
[05:54] <crimsun> bzbb: http://www.transgaming.com
[05:54] <dr_willis> bzbb,  the new name for "winex" :P
[05:54] <lmurillo> I have added the printer, but can't seem to be able to print from the Windows XP PC, I have tried adding it through Samba but it tells me that I don't have any credentials, although I'm as the administrator of the network. I have also tried doing it the way I had it, using the URL (http://<IP_ADDRESS>:631/printers/deskjet-3650), and it tells me that it can't find the printer. How can I get the printer shared and be able to add it to the Window
[05:55] <aToaster> dang, well, looks like it'll be another ATI release (half a year? years?) before I will even think about completely switching over to linux
[05:55] <bzbb> oh
[05:55] <daniels> guys, glxgears is not a useful benchmark
[05:55] <aToaster> daniels: I just want to know that 3d accel is working, not for benchmarking
[05:56] <lmurillo> the printer is set up and configured on the Linux side, as I can print on Linux
[05:57] <faddat1> Isn't it a big turn off to new users that UBUNTU doesn't offer out of the box support for MP3's?
[05:57] <monk_> i just installed opera from a deb
[05:57] <bob2> faddat1: probably, but there's nothing anyone can do
[05:57] <dr_willis> aToaster,  if the older drivers work.. :P use them..  i dont think the new drivers will gain you 10000+ fps or anything.
[05:57] <bob2> faddat1: and it's easy to enable
[05:57] <daniels> faddat1: doing so would get us sued, so it's better than having Ubuntu not exist
[05:57] <faddat1> Indeed it is!
[05:58] <dr_willis> i havent even enabled mp3's :P
[05:59] <faddat1> How would I globally enable MP3's on my system?  I'm actually playing with UBUNTU for a project at the moment, and that's definately necessary
[05:59] <faddat1> hang on I'll google this
[05:59] <faddat1> sorry for bothering all
[05:59] <dr_willis> i think that ubuntuguide.org in the topic has exactly how to do it.
[06:00] <FR500> any way to make usb 1.1 harddrives work here?
[06:00] <dr_willis> Hmm.. they should work.
[06:00] <FR500> they need drivers in windows
[06:00] <dr_willis> plug them in. check dmesg - see if they are seen.  :P
[06:01] <dr_willis> they are most likely allready installed.
[06:01] <FR500> well dmesg shows usb -3: new full speed USB device using address 4
[06:02] <FR500> and nothing happens
[06:02] <bob2> FR500: is it ntfs or hfs?
[06:02] <dr_willis> no mention of a 'sda' or anything?
[06:02] <FR500> no
[06:02] <FR500> its fat
[06:03] <FR500> it's a harddisk not a flash memory btw
[06:04] <bzbb> still should use usb mass storage
[06:04] <Gunblade> Hello All
[06:04] <FR500> any way to force it or something?
[06:04] <Gunblade> Anyone on cause I just have a quick Q
[06:04] <bob2> no
[06:04] <FR500> no to who?
[06:05] <faddat1> uh, is there a default admin pass for ubuntu?
[06:05] <FAST> is there a configuration tool to automatically create my /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file ?
[06:05] <faddat1> Or is this another thing I'm doing wrong?
[06:05] <Agrajag> no, root is locked.
[06:05] <Agrajag> use sudo
[06:05] <bob2> FAST: yes, it was created during the install
[06:05] <Agrajag> faddat1: sudo <command> and use your own password
[06:05] <bob2> faddat1: you were told about sudo during the install, and it's in the FAQ
[06:05] <FAST> bob2: yep, i think it's gone now
[06:05] <faddat1> well
[06:05] <faddat1> I was using old fashioned SU
[06:05] <bloodwulf> hey guys how do i install a .SIT file thanks
[06:05] <Agrajag> sudo -s will give you a root shell
[06:06] <faddat1> but okay, that's the plan, then
[06:06] <faddat1> aja!
[06:06] <FR500> bzbb: any say to force it to use mass usb?
[06:06] <Agrajag> bloodwulf: install OS X
[06:06] <Agrajag> then double-click it
[06:06] <bzbb> FR500, no idea
[06:06] <faddat1> yay thank you all very much!
[06:06] <Gunblade> I am very new to linux and after comparing the OS's that were free I want to try out Ubuntu, so I downloaded the .ISO of Hoary-Live-i386 and I was just wondering is there a specific way I have to burn it onto a disc?
[06:06] <Gunblade> cause I just want to boot from it and load the OS on an older machine I have
[06:06] <bloodwulf> Agrajag oh i cant do it in linux?
[06:06] <FAST> just burn it as an image
[06:06] <MacPlusG3> Gunblade: which OS are you burning it from?
[06:06] <bob2> FR500: what would you "force"?  it wasn't detected.  paste the last...20 lines from /var/log/messages to #flood
[06:07] <Gunblade> Windows XP
[06:07] <FR500> open clone cd and burn
[06:07] <FAST> Gunblade: what software will you be using to burn it?
[06:07] <Agrajag> bloodwulf: no, you can't install OS X software on linux
[06:07] <FR500> ok bob
[06:07] <bob2> Gunblade: it's .iso, so however you normally burn cd images
[06:07] <MacPlusG3> Gunblade: you want an option like "burn disk image". try right clicking on the ISO. (i'm not familiar with windows)
[06:07] <lmurillo> nite
[06:07] <Gunblade> I have WinISO and DVDDecrypter...but if I can just do what I normally do which is the XP default of drag it to the CD Burning window and then click burn
[06:07] <FAST> dont do that
[06:07] <cafuego> No, *this* is
[06:08] <swim> hay does anyone know if its possible to get a tar out of a deb file?
[06:08] <cafuego> swim: alien -t foo.deb
[06:08] <swim> cafuego, cool thx
[06:08] <MacPlusG3> Gunblade: i don't think that will work. WinISO sounds promising
[06:08] <FAST> is there a configuration tool to automatically create my /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file ?            =\
[06:08] <FAST> that i can run from the console
[06:09] <swim> cafuego, should alien work on a non deb distro?
[06:09] <bob2> FAST: you've been answered something like 5 times now
[06:09] <bob2> FAST: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86