[05:18] <alo21> hi all
[05:18] <alo21> how can I build a dep-package?
[06:33] <alo21> hi all
[06:34] <alo21> Can I set a bug as "Fix Commtied" once I attach the parch?
[06:38] <alo21> patch*
[06:39] <alo21> rsalveti: hi
[08:24] <alo21> hi all
[08:30] <alo21> TheLordOfTime: hi
[08:30] <alo21> TheLordOfTime: did you find some solution last night?
[09:04] <alo21> u
[11:01] <alo21> hi all
[11:08] <alo21> where are all config files in a source?
[11:24] <arand> alo21: I commented on your patch suggestion for juju, it seems to break the build in that help2man fails to get output from "--help" or "-h", somehow, you probably need to rework your patch so that this doesn't happen.
[11:24] <arand> (I'm not sure why exactly it fails)
[11:26] <arand> alo21: When you attach a patch, you would add a "patch" tag.
[11:27] <arand> "Fix commited" is for when the fix is incorporated into the project but not released, as a rough description.
[12:53] <larsduesing> are "Bugs" which are more a wishlist-item ok in launchpad? or how to handle them?
[12:53] <larsduesing> (after reading https://dev.launchpad.net/BugTriage I'm not really sure..
[12:54] <penguin42> can you give an example of the bug?
[12:54] <larsduesing> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aiccu/+bug/797268
[12:54] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 797268 in aiccu "aiccu configuration should warn users that extra steps are needed in order to configure a tunnel" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[12:55] <penguin42> larsduesing: Right, first note that the dev.launchpad.net/BugTriage is for bugs in launchpad itself as opposed to Ubuntu bugs
[12:55] <penguin42> larsduesing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance  is a better reference for ubuntu bugs
[12:56] <larsduesing> oh.. ah
[12:56] <larsduesing> ok.. so anybody should flag it as wishlist
[12:56] <larsduesing> I'm not capable to do it :)
[12:57]  * penguin42 can
[12:57] <larsduesing> it would be nice, if you could do it :-)
[12:58] <larsduesing> thanks
[12:58] <larsduesing> :)
[12:59] <penguin42> done - now probably the right thing is to ask him to raise it with the developers of aiccu upstream; I'm guessing it's unlikely the ubuntu devs are going to pick it up themselves, unless one of them happens to want to do it
[12:59] <larsduesing> penguin42: I happen to be the only one who is actively maintaining the ubuntu part of aiccu...
[12:59] <penguin42> ah right!
[13:00] <larsduesing> but I'm not really sure about this proposal...
[13:01] <penguin42> larsduesing: So I don't know anything about aiccu; normally the thing would be to file a corresponding bug in the upstream bug tracker - but I can't see one
[13:01] <larsduesing> there is no upstream bug tracker
[13:02] <larsduesing> (if you do not talk about debian, which has of course...)
[13:02] <penguin42> larsduesing: Is most of aiccu's development done upstream or by people in debian/ubuntu?
[13:04] <larsduesing> I'm not really sure
[13:04] <larsduesing> but a version-string 20070115-15ubuntu3 says nearly all :-)
[13:04] <penguin42> hmm is there a newer upstream or debian version?
[13:04] <larsduesing> it seems to be done in debian
[13:05] <larsduesing> that is current merge from debian
[13:05] <penguin42> sounds like nothing much has happened there then
[13:05] <larsduesing> https://launchpad.net/debian/+source/aiccu/+changelog
[13:06] <larsduesing> yes
[13:06] <larsduesing> all done was some dependencies for kfreebsd :)
[13:06] <penguin42> http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=aiccu&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
[13:06] <penguin42> so nothing happened there either
[13:07] <larsduesing> yes
[13:08] <larsduesing> it is quite often used, it works, fine :)
[13:08] <penguin42> and the last version on https://www.sixxs.net/tools/aiccu/ is 2007.01.15 (for Unix)
[13:08] <larsduesing> yes
[13:08] <larsduesing> that's it as I said
[13:09] <penguin42> so to be honest it looks like a dead project except for Windows which they're still doing updates for - is the right thing to see if the functionality is in something like network manager?
[13:09] <larsduesing> so nothing really happens there
[13:09] <larsduesing> not really
[13:09] <larsduesing> it is an ipv6-gateway
[13:09] <penguin42> back in about 10mins
[13:10] <larsduesing> np
[13:11] <larsduesing> sixxs gives away ipv6-nets and routes them over ipv4 - aiccu is the client which gives ipv6-connectivity to the local net
[13:20] <penguin42> larsduesing: Isn't that a pretty common thing to do with ipv6 - or is it a different way each provider does it?
[13:24]  * penguin42 wonders hth to mark a bug of mine as a dupe in kde's bugtracker
[13:28] <penguin42> ah found it
[16:46] <alo21> hi, can someone help me with this bug (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/juju/+bug/956000), please?
[16:46] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 956000 in juju "'juju bootstrap' with no arguments gives confusing message" [Low,In progress]
[16:47]  * penguin42 looks
[16:48] <alo21> penguin42: i tell you more in detail
[16:48] <alo21> penguin42: in the last messagge, Cli wrote "<edit>". Does it mean aplly the patch?
[16:48] <penguin42> not obvious to me whether that's just a bug in the docs he was using
[16:48] <alo21> apply*
[16:49] <penguin42> ok, I see
[16:49] <alo21> penguin42: ok
[16:49] <penguin42> alo21: Yes where he says <edit> he means apply the patches or make your changes
[16:50] <alo21> penguin42: in this case, the patch I made
[16:50] <penguin42> alo21: Because upstream juju is maintained in bzr/launchpad it makes it easy for you to submit the patch directly to it
[16:50] <penguin42> alo21: But note comment #5 about there being a problem with your patch
[16:51] <alo21> penguin42: In fact they would see what problem is it
[16:51] <alo21> it is*
[17:06] <alo21> penguin42: can I ask more one question?
[17:07] <alo21> one more*
[17:12] <alo21> ypwong: hi
[17:27] <penguin42> alo21: Sure
[17:28] <alo21> penguin42: can I add tags, if necessary?
[17:28] <penguin42> alo21: Yes, there is a list of common ones
[17:28] <alo21> penguin42: ok... what should I know to fix bug....
[17:29] <alo21> penguin42: For example I know C and Python, but, for , me is very hard to fix bitsize bugs
[17:29] <alo21> penguin42: because I cannot find the,
[17:29] <penguin42> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Tags
[17:30] <alo21> penguin42: have you got any suggestion?
[17:30] <penguin42> alo21: Sometimes it helps if you pick a group of packages or one package and get to know it well
[17:31] <penguin42> alo21: Then you get used to how that package fixes bug upstream and where in the code things are, so maybe you can fix a few bugs at the same time
[17:31] <alo21> penguin42: how can I know a package very well? The common applcations I use are Thunderbird and Firefox
[17:31] <penguin42> alo21: Those are huge packages - they take a lot of experience I think
[17:32] <alo21> penguin42: where did you start?
[17:32] <alo21> from*
[17:32] <penguin42> alo21: If you are interested in fixing bugs in them it might be best to look at those projects upstream and their wikis for small bugs in them, but not all packages are as complex as firefox
[17:32] <alo21> penguin42: what about Unity?
[17:33] <penguin42> alo21: I don't know much about Unity, I think there might be a channel specially for unity dev; I suspect it's simpler than firefox say - and all (?) of the dev is done in Ubuntu rather than upstream
[17:34] <alo21> penguin42: ok, thanks
[17:34] <penguin42> alo21: I tend to mostly fix bugs that annoy me or when I spot them in lp bugs where I know the package or where it's easy to understand
[17:36] <alo21> penguin42: I would like too... but most of this bugs are a little bit tricky her (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=bitesize)
[17:37] <alo21> penguin42: they required a good knowledge of each package
[17:38] <penguin42> alo21: hmm I'm not sure why some of those are bitesize
[17:39] <penguin42> alo21: I'd say pick a package that you understand how to use well, and isn't too big and see if you can pick some bugs off that
[17:40] <alo21> penguin42: ok, thanks for your advices
[17:40] <TheLordOfTime> alo21:  also, your patch from yesterday
[17:41] <TheLordOfTime> it causes an FTBFS issue on the juju package
[17:41] <TheLordOfTime> (separate from current FTBFS issues)


[03:25] <matsaman> just got some join spam from this 'funmade' handle
[03:25] <matsaman> funmade<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:29] <matsaman> oh excuse me, I did open irssi long ago and forgot about it
[03:29] <matsaman> just regular unprompted spam I guess
[03:43] <el> i'm guessing that'll be skraito again
[03:43] <el> JackFrost: ^
[03:43] <JackFrost> Hi.
[03:45] <el> they did the same join and unidentify/dropacct thing that previous recent skraitos have done
[03:45] <sarnold> and /lastlog pano suggests it's not new
[04:16] <el> JackFrost: i assume you poked him? since he's been idle since i pinged you lol
[04:17] <JackFrost> el: Please let me know if he shows back up.
[04:18] <el> i will. he's been around most days the past week i think
[07:24] <tomreyn> JackFrost: see #ubuntu
[07:30] <JackFrost> Odd, considering when the user said that vs idle time..


[07:48] <dholbach> good morning
[07:49] <geser> good morning
[08:08] <tumbleweed> has anyone else seen a spate of random people going through LP bugs removing swearing
[08:08]  * tumbleweed wonders why they think it's worth the effort
[08:33]  * ScottK has seen people go through and set severities on piles of fix released bugs.  Gave up wondering about such things after that.
[08:34]  * ScottK suspect that there are people who view the point of bug triage to have a well curated tracker and not just about getting stuff fixed.
[08:35] <tumbleweed> this effort seems to be combined with status-changing, so I'm also looking for someone running such a project, so I can shout at them
[10:17] <Laney> O powerpc, whyfor are you so far behind?
[10:18] <tumbleweed> it's just how things always are
[10:18] <Laney> we need FOUR buildds!
[14:17] <psusi> what was the bloody setting to make bzr stop unapplying quilt patches every damn time you turn around?
[15:52] <ESphynx> xnox: are you around
[15:53] <ESphynx> I got tons of emails to go through lol
[15:53] <ESphynx> I was going to do package this giant SRU today as a debdiff
[15:53] <xnox> well. where is that debdiff?
[15:53] <xnox> =P
[15:54] <ESphynx> xnox: it's not done yet :P there's a bzr branch
[15:54] <ESphynx> I have to figure out how to get diff to generate a p1
[15:54] <ESphynx> get git*
[15:55] <xnox> git format-patch head^^..
[15:55] <xnox> should give you p1 patches.
[16:03] <ESphynx> xnox: you around for a bit? i'll give this a try now
[16:42] <ESphynx> git format-patch 0.44.01.. =)
[16:42] <ESphynx> This created all separate .patch files :)
[16:43] <ESphynx> now should I name each according to the bug #
[17:43] <ESphynx> arg :| a patch is failing :|
[17:43] <ESphynx> how can that be :P
[18:00] <ESphynx> Hmm, I tried to apply all the patches manually, one by one... And I get 'patching' and 'Hunk succeeded' messages only
[18:03] <ESphynx> how does debuild apply patches? :|
[18:05] <Unit193> ESphynx: At offset belh messages?  debuild doesn't allow fuzzing.  (Might already know.)
[18:06] <ESphynx> Unit193 there are some that says offset bleh
[18:06] <Unit193> Those will fail, debuild doesn't permit that.
[18:06] <ESphynx> ok. I get it.
[18:06] <ESphynx> I have an extra commit in the branch that I did not use the patch for
[18:06] <ESphynx> So I have to regenerate it without?
[18:07] <Unit193> You can patch it with fuzzing, then use dpkg-source to create the patch if you wanted.
[18:07] <ESphynx> but it's 14 separate patches
[18:07] <ESphynx> So I'm guessing I'll have to do it all over again :P bleh
[18:07] <ESphynx> thanks Unit193!
[18:08] <Unit193> Sure thing, hope it helps.
[18:08] <ESphynx> it sure does
[18:39] <ESphynx> ok, that worked
[18:39] <ESphynx> So I got the new debian dir :)
[18:40] <ESphynx> with the patches in place...
[18:40] <ESphynx> now I just need to create the debdiff :P
[18:40] <Rhonda> 18:37 <buxy> Does anyone know where the code that returns http://mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt is ?
[18:43] <ESphynx> debdiff <oldpackage>.dsc <newpackage>.dsc > package.debdiff    I assume?
[18:46] <ESphynx> Now why the heck does 'unapplying' fail? dpkg-source: error: LC_ALL=C patch -R -t -N -p1 -u -V never -g0 -E --no-backup-if-mismatch < ecere-sdk-0.44.01/debian/patches/1107801-The.Ecere.SDK.fails.to.build.on.ARM.patch gave error exit status 1
[18:46] <ESphynx> if patching succeeded...
[18:47] <Unit193> ESphynx: Wonderful!
[18:47] <ESphynx> Unit193 ain't it!
[18:58] <ESphynx> Unit193: any more lifesaving clue for me? :P
[18:59] <Unit193> First thought was wrong order, but what's it show the offset as when you manually run it?
[19:00] <Unit193> (And, I'd also wait for a smart person to show up. ;) )
[19:06] <ESphynx> Unit193: well how could it be wrong order! I mean debuild applied them fine in the 'forward' order
[19:06] <ESphynx> This is happening after the patching succeeded, the build succeeded...
[19:06] <ESphynx> When it's trying to unapply the patches
[19:09] <ESphynx> got it... it's a file the build process modified :S
[19:10] <Unit193> Hah, niiice.
[19:10] <ESphynx> a generated .pot file (translation template)
[20:50] <alo21> cjohnston, here I am....
[20:50]  * cjwatson is not cjohnston
[20:50] <cjwatson> just say what you want instead of all this messing around on multiple channels :)
[20:51] <alo21> I would like to know if you will upgrade cdrom-checker. If not, can I take care of its merging?
[20:51] <alo21> https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html
[20:51] <cjwatson> I will upgrade it and I actively prefer non-installer developers not to do it
[20:51] <alo21> cjohnston, sorry... wrong nick
[20:52] <cjwatson> In any case all the changes there were mine and they aren't urgent at all
[20:52] <alo21> OK... anyway ignore my mail I sent to you about this. Thanks
[20:52] <cjwatson> prefer> because I manage that package in bzr and it's far easier to just do the merge than to review somebody else's :)
[20:53] <alo21> right
[20:53] <cjwatson> merges aren't actually a great target for developers looking to build experience, IMO
[20:53] <cjwatson> but I seem to have lost the argument on this generally
[20:54] <cjwatson> anyway, doing now, thanks for the note
[22:54] <ESphynx> xnox: I did it! I got a .debdiff! \o/
[22:54] <ESphynx> attached to the main bug (uninstallable on amd64)


[11:11] <xu-irc47w> Can we upgrade 18.04 LTS to 20.04 LTS already or do we still have to wait?
[11:14] <pmjdebruijn> do-release-upgrade -d is possible at least on servers
[11:14] <pmjdebruijn> whether it's wise on xubuntu I'm not sure
[11:15]  * pmjdebruijn usually reinstalls desktops
[11:15] <xu-irc47w> sudo do-release-upgrade -d -f DistUpgradeViewGtk3 launches the ubuntu gui
[11:16] <xu-irc47w> isn't there a xubuntu version
[11:16] <diogenes_> xu-irc47w, it'll be available whenever Ubuntu 20.04.1 is released.
[11:18] <xu-irc47w> august 6 then, Iguess
[11:26] <ggz> diogenes_: it was about some multimedia keys for volume not working anymore
[11:29] <diogenes_> ggz, ok, glad you fixed it.
[12:18] <Jasper> Hi, someone can help-me?
[12:20] <diogenes_> !ask | Jasper
[12:21] <Jasper> Oh, right, thank you, are here:
[12:30] <Jasper> Already search for a time, on Google, on documentation of focal fossa, Reddit etc, but I don't know unlock the lock screen on live session, already hit enter with password of live session with blank, "xubuntu" and others, on 20.04 the password of live session were changed? Or maybe my image have something broke?
[12:31] <Jasper> Sorry my newbiecie...
[12:35] <diogenes_> Jasper, if you find yourself in such a situation when the screen is locked in a live session and you can't get out, hit on your keyboard: ctrl+alt+f1, you gonna get a black screen that will ask you to login, the login user (sould be) xubuntu and on password just his enter (blank password), after you login, type there: startxfce4
[12:35] <Jasper> Already teu this...
[12:35] <Jasper> Try*
[12:35] <diogenes_> and?
[12:36] <Jasper> "Password invalid" I think
[12:36] <Jasper> Will try again
[12:37] <diogenes_> then put in the password: xubuntu
[12:37] <Jasper> "Login incorrect"
[12:37] <diogenes_> or: ubuntu
[12:37] <Jasper> Already all
[12:37] <Jasper> :s
[12:38] <diogenes_> ok then disable the lock screen on a live session because that might be a bug.
[12:43] <Jasper> Huum, while the install process run I were searching for PDFs and downloaded some books, but although I using the mouse and keyboard the screen locked... I think that in this time the installation already over ok, I will make some tests so decide if will reinstall the 18.04 that is much good...
[14:33] <Jasper> Hi, someone know where i find  the checsum to verify iso's xubuntu focal fossa?
[14:33] <Jasper> checksum*
[14:34] <Jasper> I found!!!
[14:34] <Jasper> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/20.04/release/
[14:35] <Jasper> Thank you (googling i don't found, but alter the original link 'http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/18.04/release/' worked!!)
[20:29] <dalkor> hi everyone, i'm having a weird issue with my touchpad that I didn't have on 18.04
[20:30] <dalkor> it's super sensitive and seems to only work on the left side. Right side acts as if I used two fingers
[21:42] <looc> Hello, i need help, the software app that came preinstalled with xubuntu is missing and nowhere to be found. I have it on my taskbar but when i try to open it, it says that the file is either missing, or the directory doesn't exist.
[21:46] <gnrp> looc: Which software app are you talking about?
[21:47] <looc> It was simply called Software. I don't know any other software apps.
[21:47] <well_laid_lawn> looc: right click the tasbar icon and it should let you know in properties
[21:49] <looc> ''Software: Adds, removes or updates apps on this pc'' This was translated from italian so i don't know how accurate it is.
[21:53] <well_laid_lawn> looc: see if this helps
[21:53] <well_laid_lawn> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1231932/ubuntu-software-doesnt-open-in-ubuntu-20-04
[21:55] <looc> I'm currently running the commands in terminal.
[21:57] <well_laid_lawn> a couple of posts down there are images for different icons that are related to the different packages - did you see that ?
[21:57] <looc> Yes, i did.
[21:58] <well_laid_lawn> k
[22:01] <looc> I have followed the karel instructions, but most of the commands exited with an error code 2:''E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)''
[23:22] <doubledutch> I have a bit of an embarassing problem... after an upgrade I've got a busybox prompt after unlocking eLVM
[23:22] <doubledutch> I think I maybe switched video to NVIDIA and it's not having it...
[23:23] <doubledutch> Without a good browser, etc, is there a common fix for Ubuntu offering you a busybox prompt after recent update?
[23:23] <doubledutch> Maybe a good way to boot into no-xserver mode so I can edit config files or re-run smxi ?
[23:40] <well_laid_lawn> doubledutch: afaik the busybo prompt is because the bootloader couldn't find a root device or an init
[23:40] <well_laid_lawn> or the initramfs had a fail or the kernel had a fail
[23:43] <doubledutch> Kernel yes looks like it after update
[23:43] <doubledutch> I shouldn't have removed old kernels
[23:43] <doubledutch> THanks
[23:44] <doubledutch> going to look at avaiable boot methods again
[23:44] <doubledutch> if not I'll come back here and luksOpen it


[02:04] <okaratas> hmm
[02:04] <okaratas> /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d: line 274: /sbin/runlevel: No such file or directory
[02:04] <okaratas> what is problem ?
[02:05] <coNP> okaratas: what do you run?
[02:05] <okaratas> apt-get install bind9
[02:05] <okaratas> Setting up bind9 (9.3.2-2ubuntu3) ...
[02:05] <okaratas> wrote key file "/etc/bind/rndc.key"
[02:05] <okaratas> /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d: line 274: /sbin/runlevel: No such file or directory
[02:05] <okaratas>  * Starting domain name service...
[02:06] <coNP> okaratas: is there really no /sbin/runlevel for you?
[02:06] <okaratas> root@ozgur:/etc# ls -la /sbin/runlevel
[02:06] <okaratas> ls: /sbin/runlevel: No such file or directory
[02:06] <okaratas> root@ozgur:/etc# locate runlevel
[02:06] <okaratas> /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz
[02:06] <okaratas> root@ozgur:/etc#
[02:07] <coNP> okaratas: do you use upstart or sysvinit?
[02:07] <okaratas> what is dependencies package for runlevel?
[02:07] <coNP> either sysvinit or upstart-compat-sysv should be installed
[02:07] <okaratas> hmm
[02:08] <okaratas> apt-get install sysvinit
[02:08] <coNP> okaratas: what does ps axu| grep init say?
[02:08] <okaratas> root@ozgur:/etc# ls -la /sbin/runlevel
[02:08] <okaratas> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 24836 2006-10-10 13:42 /sbin/runlevel
[02:08] <okaratas> root@ozgur:/etc# ps aux|grep init
[02:08] <okaratas> root         1  0.0  0.1   1632   572 ?        Ss   Jan27   0:00 /sbin/init --restart
[02:08] <okaratas> root     21218  0.0  0.1   2800   764 pts/1    S+   03:08   0:00 grep init
[02:09] <coNP> and init --version
[02:09] <okaratas> root@ozgur:/etc# init --version
[02:09] <okaratas> init (upstart 0.2.7)
[02:09] <okaratas> Copyright (C) 2006 Canonical Ltd.
[02:09] <coNP> okay, then it is upstart
[02:10] <okaratas> hm okey thank you very much
[02:10] <coNP> you should install upstart-compat-sysv
[02:10] <coNP> instead of sysvinit
[02:10] <okaratas> hm ok thanks.
[04:55] <okaratas> i open ubuntu networking channel > #ubuntu-network
[04:55] <okaratas> my channel registered.
[05:27] <coNP> sorry Mez, what do you mean by joining spam?
[05:27] <Mez> coNP,  ... ?
[05:28] <Mez> coNP, I mean as soon as I joined -devel I got this message
 mruiz, Mez join channel > #ubuntu-network please :)
[05:28] <Mez> which is join spamming
[05:29] <coNP> Mez: oh, okay I see; thanks
[05:29] <okaratas> Mez, sorry
[05:29] <okaratas>  I listen carefully what you say, and i respect your suggestions. Be sure that i will make this through. But please help me to help ubuntu. ok ?
[05:29] <Mez> okaratas, if you want to help, there are routes to go down
[06:06] <lionel> okaratas: what #ubuntu-network is about ?


[09:17] <rmg51> Morning
[11:43] <rmg51> updating back shortly, maybe ;-)
[12:01] <rmg51> done
[12:02] <rmg51> so far everything seems to be working
[12:02] <rmg51> I had to reset-up my printer
[16:35] <rmg51> well that didn't go as planed
[16:35] <rmg51> teddy's laptop won't boot after the upgrade


[07:47] <dholbach> good morning
[07:47] <nhaines> dholbach: good morning!
[07:48] <nhaines> I'm about to go to sleep... in about 15 hours I'm going to see Star Wars.  :)
[07:48] <dholbach> hi nhaines
[07:48] <dholbach> nice
[07:48] <dholbach> enjoy it!
[07:49] <nhaines> Thanks!  I listened to the soundtrack a little bit, but it was a close call.
[07:49] <nhaines> The first track is called "Main Theme and the Attack on [nhaines's attempt to avoid spoilers]"
[07:50] <nhaines> Anyway, should be fun.  :)
[07:58] <nhaines> I mean, it was no Episode I's "The High Council Meeting/Qui-Gon's Funeral", but eh.  :)
[07:59] <svij> morning dholbach, nhaines and Kilos
[08:00] <dholbach> hi svij
[08:00]  * svij has his last day at work today.
[08:01] <Kilos> hi svij dholbach nhaines
[08:01] <nhaines> svij: möge die Macht mit Dir sein!
[08:01] <dholbach> hi Kilos
[08:01] <nhaines> Kilos: howdy!
[08:01] <svij> nhaines: bin kein Star Wars fan ;)
[08:04] <nhaines> svij: unglaublich!  D:
[08:04] <nhaines> Enlightened *and* not a Star Wars fan, eh?  The picture's all coming together. ;)
[08:05] <svij> well I didn't watch a single star wars movie yet
[08:05] <svij> all the people say to me "OH, you didn't watch $moviex? OH MY GOD!"
[08:06] <nhaines> Well I highly recommend it.  At least you should watch Star Wars: Episode IV--A New Hope.  Then if you liked that watch the others of course, but Star Wars is sort of a cultural touchstone.  :P
[08:11] <svij> yeah everybody does tell me that
[12:47] <tsimonq2> o/ all
[15:23] <nhaines> tsimonq2: good morning!


[00:02] <ChinnoDog> pleia2: but, I am a perpetrator no longer.
[00:02] <ChinnoDog> I'm reformed.
[00:02] <pleia2> oh good
[00:04] <jedijf> are you sure???
[00:04] <jedijf> hi peeps
[00:05] <jedijf> chinno'isms
[00:07] <ChinnoDog> Say no to chinno'isms.
[00:07] <ChinnoDog> Although, I'm never going to stop saying 'peeps'.
[00:07] <ChinnoDog> It took me a few seconds to realize you were mocking me.
[00:08] <pleia2> hehe
[00:13] <Sadin> OH BOY! i have a great idea for an ubuntu themed wallpaper!
[00:18] <ChinnoDog> Tell us the idea already.
[00:26] <Sadin> What if i had something like a black backgroun with a light orange foggy gradient in the background
[00:26] <Sadin> and an ubuntu logo on top that looks like its glowing or made with light painting :D
[00:27] <ChinnoDog> That sounds exciting if you have the skills to make it.
[00:28] <Sadin> I Do Ill do it! Just watch :)
[00:30]  * Sadin needs to re download photoshop first...
[00:30]  * jthan rambles
[00:40] <Sadin> afk
[01:31]  * Sadin wants photoshop to finish downloading so he can make his ubuntu background...
[01:51] <JonathanD> Good morning PA!
[01:53] <jthan> Morning?
[01:53] <PennBot> It has been said that Morning is 3 hours ago, jthan
[01:54] <JonathanD> jthan: yes. I got up extra early today.
[01:55] <jthan> Good work
[01:55] <JonathanD> I'm on my way back from CC actually.
[01:55] <jthan> CC.. Carbon Copy... Community College..
[01:56] <rmg51> Center City
[01:56] <JonathanD> center city, yes.
[01:57] <JonathanD> I'm on the train. Spotty coverage.
[01:57] <Irishmanluke> Concord California?
[01:58] <jedijf> JonathanD: cc at 9pm.....wth....cabling?
[01:58] <JonathanD> jedijf: network work @ basekamp
[01:58] <JonathanD> there seems to be a disagreement about a bike.
[01:59] <jthan> Tell someone to throw something
[01:59] <jthan> that makes it so much more interesting
[01:59] <JonathanD> like the bike?
[01:59]  * JonathanD ducks
[01:59] <JonathanD> "She can move"
[02:00] <JonathanD> How wude.
[02:01] <JonathanD> I should take the train more, it's rather entertaining :P
[02:01] <JonathanD> waltman: is it always like this?
[02:01] <jedijf> channel six is doing a story about septa drivers being attacked by passengers
[02:02] <jedijf> gotta love philly
[02:02] <JonathanD> hah
[02:02] <JonathanD> do they throw things?
[02:02] <jthan> Lol
[02:02] <jthan> They better, or it isn't real entertainment.
[02:02] <JonathanD> jthan: train? bus?
[02:02] <JonathanD> erm, jedijf, train, bus?
[02:02] <JonathanD> moped?
[02:03] <jedijf> the clips i saw were bus, but once it gets aired....violence everywhere
[02:03] <JonathanD> Why are we attacking the drivers, exactly?
[02:03] <JonathanD> For a free fare?
[02:03] <jthan> illogical.
[02:03] <JonathanD> Bus missed the stop, perhaps?
[02:03] <JonathanD> I have no idea what stop I'm at.
[02:03] <jedijf> no clue...10 sec visual...beating fares probably
[02:05] <jthan> leeching_wireless++
[02:05] <jthan> I had to download like ~500 youtube videos for a job I'm working next weekend
[02:05] <jthan> Figured I'd let the neighbors network be slow for a few days...
[02:06] <jthan> passwords are dumb anyway, right?
[02:06] <JonathanD> somewhat evil, jthan
[02:06] <JonathanD> manayunk
[02:06] <jthan> I'm sure it is evil. But that's what you get for not securing it. They don't do much web surfing anyways.
[02:07] <jthan> If that was the case, kismac would have found a lot more than it did
[02:07] <JonathanD> I have more of an issue with verizons WEP routers.
[02:07] <JonathanD> give people "Security" that isn't worth...
[02:07] <jthan> Yeah.
[02:07] <jthan> I hate that too. my ex-gf had one of them.
[02:07] <JonathanD> Mihgt as well not put it on there if you're going to use WEP
[02:07] <JonathanD> more harm than good, if you ask me.
[02:08] <JonathanD> Not only is it still insecure, but the people able to use it are more likely to be trouble.
[02:08] <jthan> Takes a whopping 5 minutes to crack that
[02:08] <JonathanD> we should demo that at fosscon.
[02:09] <jthan> Do it up
[02:09] <JonathanD> I'll be busy.
[02:09] <JonathanD> So I'll assume you are volunteering ;)
[02:10]  * JonathanD wonders if we'd have to have people sign something for that.
[02:10] <jthan> Nahhh
[02:10] <jthan> who signs anything?
[02:10] <JonathanD> This is for educational purposes only.
[02:22] <andrew> evening
[02:23] <Sadin> :O my snack of the evening consists of Orville Redenbockers spicy nacho flavored popcorn and Fruit punch....
[02:23] <Sadin> best snack ever for creative spikes in photoshop
[02:23] <andrew> JonathanD: I have no problem with the verizon web issue, Free wifi!
[02:36] <JonathanD> Home.
[02:36] <jthan> Good work, once again.
[02:36] <JonathanD> MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
[02:37] <jthan> huzzah!
[02:37] <jthan> HI HO SILVER!
[02:37] <JonathanD> if our politicians are anything to go by, that would mean "I'm home, but the house is burned down and someone else built a shoe store on top of it."
[03:03] <jthan> Quick - how do I enable logging w/ irssi?
[03:03] <jthan> irssi_fail--
[03:08] <rmg51> http://ubuntupennsylvania.org/PennBot/logs/
[03:08] <PennBot> Title: Index of /PennBot/logs (at ubuntupennsylvania.org)
[03:08] <jthan> yes, that's real too
[03:08] <rmg51> ^the simple way
[03:08] <rmg51> at least here :-D
[04:15] <waltman> JonathanD: Sometimes. Depends on the line.
[04:35] <Sadin> My Windows Xp install is making life completely miserable for me
[04:35] <Sadin> :(
[04:38] <Sadin> im trying to install my ATI x300 driver but the legacy driver installer from ATI says failure to launch everytime :(
[04:41] <ChinnoDog> iirc you need .net framework or directx or something before you can install it
[04:44] <Sadin> :O who me
[04:45] <ChinnoDog> If you install all the windows updates first you should be able to install the ATI driver without a problem.
[04:47] <Sadin> I ran windows update it said i had none :(
[04:48] <jthan> go to the update website.
[04:48] <Sadin> nvm i found it
[04:48] <ChinnoDog> Then look up the dependency for the installer and download and install it.
[04:48] <ChinnoDog> k..
[04:48] <pleia2> where am I?
[04:48] <PennBot> It has been said that I is stuff the chocolate into a bag for tomorrow or wondering if anyone of you could help me get some of them to Tennessee, we've got some people there that want our help setting up a computer lab in Crossville or satisfied when sassy little Stacey who made everyone else do her work for her couldn't make it up the stairs of the Arc d'Triumphe or um kinda dumb for not using irssi in Yakuake Terminal rather than the regular one.wor
[04:48] <Sadin> it told me i had no "high priority" updates and i overlooked the ones in the sidebar
[04:50] <Sadin> ive never big big on hardware :/ my friend up the street is the hardware guy and im the software guy lol
[05:10] <Sadin> Chinnodog it worked your awesome
[05:10] <ChinnoDog> thx
[05:11]  * ChinnoDog goes back to not being a windows guy
[05:16] <waltman> http://i.imgur.com/WWOeX.jpg
[05:17] <andrew> You know what bugs me? Preferred Applications vs Default web browser
[05:21]  * Sadin needs to keep working on his portfolio theme tomorrow
[05:21]  * Sadin also needs to get his ATI driver installed correctly on his desktop for photoshop to run and normal speed
[09:12] <JonathanD> Good morning.
[10:01] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[10:02] <JonathanD> Morning rmg51
[10:04] <rmg51> o/
[12:29] <jedijf> is it just me, or is there something inherently wrong with designing an Ubuntu logo with Photoshop?
[12:30] <jedijf> why not use iDraw or something.......jeez
[12:33] <JonathanD> heh, really?
[12:53] <jedijf> is there an iDraw?
[12:54] <jedijf> haha ther is
[12:54] <jedijf> there
[13:00] <jthan> lol
[13:00] <jthan> jedijf++
[13:05] <jedijf> that's like shuttleworth signing ssweeny's check with a ms pen...
[13:06] <JonathanD> He uses an oracle pen, actually.
[13:06] <jedijf> actually i bet he's using a banshee pen
[13:06] <jthan> JonathanD: so remember our discussion from last night?
[13:06] <jthan> Regarding WEP encryption.
[13:06] <JonathanD> jthan: about camping or encryption?
[13:06] <JonathanD> yes
[13:07] <jthan> Have you actually /done/ anything of that sort lately?
[13:07] <JonathanD> Yes.
[13:07] <jthan> What program do you use?
[13:07] <jthan> I only ask because I've only ever used kismac for my MacBook.
[13:09] <JonathanD> I use uh... hold on.
[13:09] <JonathanD> aircrack
[13:09] <JonathanD> To be clear, I don't do so maliciously. My last two attempts have been for demonstration purposes.
[13:09] <andrew> jthan: http://www.whatsmyip.org/fioswepcalc/
[13:09] <PennBot> Title: WhatsMyIP.org Fios WEP Key Calculator (at www.whatsmyip.org)
[13:10] <andrew> (that doesn't work on newer installs
[13:10] <andrew> )
[13:10] <JonathanD> Now thats just stupid.
[13:10] <andrew> yep
[13:10] <jthan> JonathanD: of course. I would not use it for malicious purposes either.  Perhaps to prove a point.
[13:10] <JonathanD> brb
[13:11] <andrew> I'm still waiting on a reply from the canonical store
[13:11] <jthan> Regarding?
[13:11] <andrew> 2D vs 3D stickers
[13:11] <JonathanD> andrew: can you ask about 1D, please?
[13:11] <JonathanD> I'd really like a 1D sticker
[13:12] <JonathanD> andrew: you up for canoeing some warm saturday?
[13:12] <andrew> JonathanD: perhaps
[13:13] <andrew> so long as I'm not busy
[13:13] <jthan> Oooh man
[13:13]  * jthan fell in love with his new kayak
[13:14] <jthan> Is running a mail server worth it?
[13:14]  * JonathanD has a fairly large aluminum canoe.
[13:14] <JonathanD> and an inflatable kayak that fits in a suitcase.
[13:14] <jthan> I did 180 miles in the allagash last august.
[13:14] <jthan> Not in aluminum canoes though.
[13:14] <jthan> andrew: They didn't approve mye agle because I didn't print it double-sided....
[13:14] <JonathanD> It's quite suitable for an overnighter.
[13:15] <jthan> Oh I'd agree with you.
[13:15] <JonathanD> tons of space.
[13:15] <JonathanD> which is good though, we go with all 4 of us in one.
[13:16] <jthan> I frequent the pine barrens in Jersey
[13:16] <JonathanD> I've yet to try the inflatable. it look fun though.
[13:17] <jthan> Just as a day trip. Easy going.. take something to drink, some lunch.
[13:17] <jthan> Usually I eat and just float along all day :-P
[13:17] <JonathanD> I just sort of like the fact that I can keep in the trunk. Just in case, ya know.
[13:17] <jthan> Yeah - so if it rains for 40 days and 40 nights you have a kayak.
[13:25] <andrew> jthan: so... reprint
[13:25] <jthan> I know - it just bugs me.  Why waste the trees to print again when that's the only thing they want changed?
[13:59] <JonathanD> throw out half the pages, print the other side on the remaining ones.
[14:00] <jthan> Sounds like my brain would hurt after that, but it's a good idea.
[15:07] <InHisName> brain pain ?
[15:08] <JonathanD> mmm
[16:23] <ChinnoDog> jackson: Is your dog eating your network again?
[16:29] <ChinnoDog> om nom network
[16:32] <andrew> jackson: everything ok?
[16:32] <teddy-dbear> JonathanD: make it stop already :P
[16:33] <JonathanD> pleia2
[16:34] <JonathanD> andrew
[16:34] <ChinnoDog> I don't remember if pleia2 is the only +o here.
[16:34] <JonathanD> teddy-dbear: staff isn't on the ACL.
[16:35] <teddy-dbear> the bear don't care :-/
[16:39] <andrew> JonathanD: really? 2     *!*@freenode/staff/*   +votiA [modified ? ago]
[16:40] <JonathanD> I may be blind.
[16:40] <JonathanD> this is possible.
[16:42] <andrew> why is it a question mark for the time?
[16:43] <JonathanD> Hasn't been used since a services restart, I think.
[16:43] <JonathanD> either way, jackson seems fixed.
[16:47] <andrew> hopefully
[16:49] <ChinnoDog> His dog probably moved on to noming the computer.
[16:51] <andrew> Wouldn't that have similar results?
[16:54] <ChinnoDog> Eventually
[17:01] <teddy-dbear> he needs a teddy bear
[17:02] <teddy-dbear> we don't eat things like that
[17:05] <ChinnoDog> He could just get some bitter apple spray. http://www.walmart.com/ip/Bitter-Apple-Spray-8-oz-Dogs/3635337
[17:05] <PennBot> Title: Walmart.com: Bitter Apple Spray, 8 oz: Dogs (at www.walmart.com)
[17:05] <ChinnoDog> I think there are synthetic compounds that are designed to taste bad as well.
[17:39] <JonathanD> My dog likes bitter spray.
[17:52] <ChinnoDog> There were some reviews on walmart that said that. I guess not all dogs are offended by its taste. I bet your dog would drink beer too if presented withi t.
[18:38] <ChinnoDog> hrm.  Scratch that idea.
[18:38] <ChinnoDog> Only ChinnoDog gets to drink alcohol.
[18:39] <IdleOne> never let your dog drink and irc
[18:41] <ChinnoDog> Yea, you don't want to have to break the bad news to their IRC girlfriends.
[18:45] <teddy-dbear> never let lamalex drink and irc =-O
[19:05] <lamalex> huh?
[19:05] <lamalex> i do almost nothing else
[19:06] <pleia2> yeah, how else do you expect him to tolerate people on irc?
[19:07] <teddy-dbear> but how can we understand him?
[19:07] <pleia2> not important
[19:07] <teddy-dbear> or do we really want to?
[19:11] <ssweeny> just don't ask him about work, since he won't tell you anything :)
[19:12] <IdleOne> lamalex: works for Canonical right?
[19:12] <IdleOne> non disclosure agreements!
[19:14] <ssweeny> yep
[19:14] <lamalex> hah ssweeny are you referencing, "oh shit, are you community? i've said too much already"
[19:14] <ssweeny> haha
[19:15] <IdleOne> I wonder exactly how the new QA community person is going to handle that
[19:15] <ssweeny> yeah, we're sitting at breakfast, both working for canonical, and we can't talk about work
[19:16] <pleia2> the key is to get the canonical folks drunk first
[19:16]  * ssweeny can attest to that
[19:16] <pleia2> then you can have your way with^W^W^W^W get them to talk about anything
[19:16] <IdleOne> I can't tell you anything except to tell you that i can't tell you anything.
[19:16] <ssweeny> pleia2, shhhh
[19:16] <ssweeny> that fact is itself under NDA
[19:16] <pleia2> then again, they also got me to say I don't hate copyright assignment
[19:16] <pleia2> so I guess it works both ways :)
[19:33] <lamalex> get a person drunk, and you can get them to say just about anything
[19:48] <ssweeny> true
[19:52] <jedijf> lamalex: when you coming back?
[19:52] <lamalex> coming back where
[19:52] <jedijf> philly
[19:53] <jedijf> forever'ish
[19:53] <jedijf> til you leave again
[19:54] <lamalex> ill probably "never" be coming home foreverish
[19:55] <lamalex> i will be home thursday but then going to baltimore for fri-sun then be around mon-weds
[19:55] <lamalex> but then im coming back  north on weds or thurs
[19:57] <jedijf> :(
[19:57] <jedijf> rambling man
[19:58] <jedijf> pleia2: i just deleted the plug into hive meeting from my g calendar....
[19:58] <lamalex> the life of a vagrant
[19:59] <jedijf> lamalex: dude...actually...enjoy it and live it as long as you can
[19:59] <jedijf> and then, 2 more weeks
[19:59] <lamalex> what's in 2 weeks?
[19:59] <jedijf> nm
[20:32] <ChinnoDog> hello Sadin
[20:35] <Sadin> Hey ChinnoDog
[20:37] <Sadin> ChinnoDog i have the sidebar done for my portfolio im waiting for photoshop to finish downloading before doing the rest http://zachsnyder.deviantart.com/#/d3h7718
[20:37] <PennBot> Title: ZachSnyder on deviantART (at zachsnyder.deviantart.com)
[20:53] <Sadin> I updated .NET on my computer like you said but the ATI installer manager still says failed to initialise... very confused
[20:57] <jedijf> wabbit
[21:02] <ChinnoDog> laaag
[21:02] <ChinnoDog> 3 seconds to ping myself
[21:03] <ChinnoDog> PennBot: ping
[21:03] <PennBot> pong
[21:07] <Sadin> D: frustation
[21:09] <jedijf> Sadin: give up, use ubu plus gimp or inkscape or something graphicy
[21:14] <Sadin> i like photoshop more then gimp
[21:15] <Sadin> plus i need it for school
[21:15] <ChinnoDog> Photoshop isn't evil just because it costs money.
[21:16] <Sadin> who said it was :O
[21:16] <jedijf> i think he means me
[21:16] <Sadin> oh
[21:16] <ChinnoDog> Yes, I meant jedijf
[21:17] <Sadin> I prefer the PS interface
[21:17] <jedijf> i didn't say that either, just prefer more open, less costly, just work stuff
[21:18] <Sadin> Photoshop isnt the problem i need to get my graphics driver working so i can use duel moniters and play the PC games i have that were like 60$ each :/
[21:18] <jedijf> i am very careful not to disparage anything, just offering alternatives
[21:19] <jedijf> err, now games are evil
[21:19] <Sadin> im 16 what you expect me to own a PC and not have a few games for it :)
[21:19] <jedijf> yes
[21:19] <jedijf> you asked
[21:20] <Sadin> obviously you havent met most 16 year old males lol :P
[21:23]  * Sadin bangs his head on desk
[21:23] <Sadin> why wont the legacy package manager for ATI run!!!
[21:23] <Sadin> :(
[21:27] <ChinnoDog> What error did it throw?
[21:29] <Sadin> Catalyst install manager failed to initialize
[21:29] <Sadin> faild to initialize package manager
[21:30] <ChinnoDog> Why is it called the "legacy package manager"?
[21:31] <Sadin> because its a very old card so ati grouped the "old" drivers into the legacy installer
[21:32] <Sadin> so your "supposed" to download this legacy installer and it installs your nessisary driver and also ati catalyst controller but mine wont...
[21:56] <Sadin> if i cant get this graphics card to work im going to re install ubuntu
[21:58] <jedijf> that's the spirit
[21:58] <Sadin> ill keep trying till tonght
[21:59] <ChinnoDog> google the installer so you can find the dependency
[21:59] <ChinnoDog> I have to go, but I'll be back later.
[21:59] <ChinnoDog> (probably)
[21:59] <Sadin> i ve been trying
[21:59] <Sadin> See ya ChinnoDog
[22:01] <ChinnoDog> Sadin:
[22:01] <ChinnoDog> Caution: The Catalyst™ Control Center requires that the Microsoft  NET Framework version 2.0 be installed. Without .NET version 2.0.
[22:01] <jedijf> Sadin: what are you running?
[22:02] <ChinnoDog> installed, the Catalyst™ Control Center will not launch properly and
[22:02] <ChinnoDog> the user will see an error messag
[22:02] <Sadin> i have .NET 3
[22:02] <Sadin> ive installed all the .NET updates from microsoft
[22:02] <ChinnoDog> It is only backwards compatible in theory. Try installing .NET 2.0
[22:02] <Sadin> alright
[22:03] <Sadin> ill try
[22:03] <ChinnoDog> oh
[22:03] <ChinnoDog> .. never mind. I had another thought but it doesn't apply to P
[22:03] <ChinnoDog> XP
[22:03] <jedijf> lol, thst would make it *not* backwards compatble
[22:03] <Sadin> i ran every single SP and .NET update from the windows update
[22:04] <jedijf> s/theory/marketing propaganda
[22:05] <ChinnoDog> The installer might be checkings for the specific version
[22:05] <ChinnoDog> .NET Framework versioning is not as straightforward as it should be.
[22:05] <Sadin> ok im downloading .NET from microsoft and ill run the installer
[22:13] <Sadin> It says i cant install .NET 2.0 because of incompatibilty with an already installed version
[22:13] <Sadin> (because i already have the latest)
[22:26] <Irishmanluke> sorry but are we giving windows support now?
[22:29] <jedijf> Irishmanluke: yes, it ultimately leads back to us
[22:29] <Irishmanluke> does this have to do with the photoshop ubuntu art thing?
[22:30] <Irishmanluke> I'd scroll back but my batterys about to die
[23:20] <Sadin> i needed to re install windows for photoshop because of my classes at school and i cant get my ATI driver to install properly
[23:20] <Sadin> so any help would be appreciated
[23:20] <Sadin> irishmanluke ^
[23:34] <ChinnoDog> Sadin:  uninstall .net 3, then install 2. you can put it back when you are done.
[23:35] <Sadin> alrighty
[23:37] <Sadin> and welcome back by the way ChinnoDog
[23:38] <ChinnoDog> I am not really back. waiting to board plane.
[23:38] <Sadin> oh wow you guys are always flying places :P
[23:39] <ChinnoDog> you can too. get on a plane.
[23:39] <Sadin> you forgot the part about me being 16 :P
[23:40]  * Sadin thinks it doesnt help the situation when windows says i have uninstalled video adaptors yet it cant install the driver at the moment...
[23:43] <Sadin> Why does it say i have windows XP SP3 when in my add/remove programs window my .NET 2.0 and 3.5 where SP2
[23:44] <Sadin> that doesnt sound right
[23:44] <ChinnoDog> they aren't related
[23:45] <Sadin> So the fact that they are SP2 doesnt matter?
[23:45] <ChinnoDog> when I was a kid I lived overseas and frequently d&e kids as young as 10 traveling alone.
[23:47] <Sadin> ok i removed .NEt 3.5 and 3 im restarting and going to try to install catalyst now...
[23:52] <Sadin> it failed again...
[23:52] <Sadin> im going to keep slaving over google searches


[05:56] <TheMuso> ev: Who do I need to CC when talking about ubiquity dicsussion decisions, appart from yourself/the installer list? I know design has a mailing list, but should I include anybody specifically instead, or as well as that list?
[09:16] <mpt> ev, http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/229600-2/day_6_in_search_of_unity.html
[12:52] <ev> cjwatson: do you recall why we autodetect the keyboard but not the language in wubi?
[12:52] <ev> I'm struggling to remember
[12:56] <davmor2> ev: cause everyone needs to speak English as a first language so we can finally move onto the startrek era ?
[12:56] <ev> yuk yuk yuk
[12:56] <cjwatson> ev: I don't
[12:56] <ev> cjwatson: thanks the same
[12:58] <davmor2> ev: was it done deliberately at all?
[13:02] <ev> it was, but I can't recall why
[13:03] <ev> but either way, we'll go with autodetection and see if people complain
[15:15] <NCommander> cjwatson: is there any special magic to uploading d-i? I have some changes that need to get in to enable omap4 netboot images
[15:16] <cjwatson> not especially but I'd like to review the changes if that's OK
[15:17] <NCommander> cjwatson: NP. ogra reviewed them, so I committed them on trunk, but I can cook a diff if you like
[15:17] <cjwatson> oh, I'll have a look on trunk then
[15:18] <cjwatson> please set up CIA for installer branches so that this channel gets notified
[15:18] <NCommander> How do I do that?
[15:18] <ogra_> see the wiki
[15:19] <ogra_> installer development
[15:19] <ogra_> its either on there or linked from there, i dont remember
[15:19] <cjwatson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installer/Development#IRC%20notification
[15:19] <NCommander> oh, I thought it was server side
[15:23] <cjwatson> OK, no particular magic then, go ahead and upload
[19:58] <CarlFK> natty preseed net isntall errored.  log shows: Jun  9 18:39:09 in-target:  linux-generic : Depends: linux-image-generic (= <IP_ADDRESS>.25) but it is not going to be installed
[19:59] <CarlFK> unmet dependencies;  Broken packages.
[20:34] <CarlFK> 2011-05-27.150215-0500CDT this worked: https://gitorious.org/vms/vms/blobs/master/mk_natty_qcow.sh
[20:35] <CarlFK> which is also giving me the unmet dependencies: linux-image-generic (= <IP_ADDRESS>.25)
[20:54] <cjwatson> CarlFK: archive problem, not installer
[20:55] <cjwatson> CarlFK: I'll fix it though
[20:55] <CarlFK> cjwatson: ah, right.  um..
[20:55] <CarlFK> thanks very much
[20:57] <cjwatson> (kernel binaries had accidentally landed in universe)
[20:58] <cjwatson> CarlFK: should be fixed in an hour or so, after the next archive cycle plus whatever mirroring is involved to get to you
[20:58] <CarlFK> cjwatson: thanks again.