[01:15] <Daviey> but that is for another day, methinks
[01:15] <superm1_> okay sounds good :)
[01:15] <superm1_> did you update the download links too?
[01:15] <Daviey> no
[01:16] <superm1_> okay well i've gotta run
[01:16] <superm1_> i'll be back in a few hours
[01:16] <superm1_> so i'll probably catch you tomorrow
[01:52] <ian_001> im trying to add vnc to the latest mythbuntu and wondered if i had to enable xdmcp?
[01:55] <tgm4883> ian001, i dont see why you would
[01:57] <tgm4883> ian_001 ^^
[02:04] <ian_001> sorry i ran back to that machine to play with it
[02:04] <ian_001> here's hoping i got it right!
[02:06] <Daviey> ian_001: sorry i need to go
[02:06] <Daviey> tgm4883: can you test the links before i go?
[02:06] <Daviey> (the ones on the main site, should auto redirect)
[02:06] <tgm4883> yea, what links?
[02:06] <tgm4883> ah
[02:06] <tgm4883> sec
[02:07] <tgm4883> yep, sends me to us-ca.cd.....
[02:07] <Daviey> click again?
[02:07] <tgm4883> same
[02:07] <Daviey> there are currently two US mirrors
[02:08] <Daviey> and US people should get spread over the two
[02:08] <tgm4883> ok, after a few clicks it sent me to texas
[02:08] <Daviey> sure that was the same?
[02:08] <Daviey> cool
[02:08] <tgm4883> yea one is us-tx
[02:08] <Daviey> Well i'm pleased with that
[02:09] <Daviey> time for bed methinks
[02:09] <Daviey> nn
[02:09] <tgm4883> night
[02:17] <Daviey> foxbuntu: You just caught be.. when do you think your mirror will be active?
[02:17] <Daviey> s/be/me
[02:31] <frank__> I have mythtv running on a separate screen. (DISPLAY=:0.1) how can I prevent the KDE taskbar from appearing on that screen?
[03:52] <foxbuntu> for anyone intrested...amazing new technology (sorry for the office topic note) http://www.break.com/index/134-gigapixel-camera.html <13.4 GIGAPixel Camera>
[04:17] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, evening
[04:17] <tgm4883_laptop> foxbuntu, whats happening
[04:18] <foxbuntu> not much...got the GTK theme fixed
[04:18] <tgm4883_laptop> sweet
[04:19] <tgm4883_laptop> it was a little hard on the eyes before
[04:20] <foxbuntu> yea
[04:20] <foxbuntu> I dropped that theme and started over with the Clearlooks engine
[04:21] <foxbuntu> and I am using MythStream for the first time tonight
[04:21] <foxbuntu> and I do have to say I like it
[04:21] <tgm4883_laptop> :)
[04:21] <foxbuntu> been a few days of mind opening experiences
[04:22] <tgm4883_laptop> i'll have to use that apple trailer thing when I get mythbuntu installed on my production machine
[04:22] <foxbuntu> that isn't done yet, I missed the code freezze
[04:22] <foxbuntu> that isn't done yet, I missed the code freeze
[04:22] <foxbuntu> so it won't be part of the Mythbuntu Public release until gutsy+1
[04:23] <tgm4883_laptop> I still think we should stick it in the PPA
[04:23] <foxbuntu> I think I will try for that
[04:24] <tgm4883_laptop> that way, 1.  If we find a way to activate that easily from the control centre then it is already in there
[04:24] <foxbuntu> I have a goal after I learn the packaging stuff I am going to look into working with these unoffical add-ins
[04:24] <tgm4883_laptop> and 2.  People can still activate that repo manually
[04:24] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[04:24] <tgm4883_laptop> so you plan on packaging more unofficial plugins
[04:24] <foxbuntu> yea
[04:25] <tgm4883_laptop> i have a list for you then
[04:25] <foxbuntu> I am a gulton for punishment so I will test on my own machine and see how it goes for them
[04:25] <foxbuntu> email em over to me to look at
[04:25] <tgm4883_laptop> sec
[04:25] <foxbuntu> PM with addy
[04:29] <dfear> i am having problems with the latest iso (alpha 4) - when the cd finishes loading up, all i see is a blank screen. i know the desktop has loaded because i can see it briefly when i press ctrl-alt-f1 then ctrl-alt-f7. how can i fix this prob?
[04:30] <dfear>  i am having problems with the latest iso (alpha 4) - when the cd finishes loading up, all i see is a blank screen. i know the desktop has loaded because i can see it briefly see ity when i press ctrl-alt-f1 then ctrl-alt-f7. how can i fix this prob?
[04:32] <foxbuntu> thank tgm4883_laptop
[04:32] <tgm4883_laptop> those were the ones I was looking at, alot are no longer in dev
[04:33] <foxbuntu> ok
[04:34] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, wow that streamTV one sounds scary
[04:34] <tgm4883_laptop> yea, but i think it would be a pretty cool one
[04:34] <foxbuntu> but I will sure look into that it sounds like a great idea
[04:36] <foxbuntu> Im not sure what benifit would be gained by having an RSS feed of your recordings...can you explain?
[04:38] <foxbuntu> the extender has alot of potential, I was actually talking about something similar with someone thinking of building a MythTV
[04:38] <tgm4883_laptop> Well, for I, it probably wouldn't help that much.  But for someone who has the keyword recordings then it would show what they have recorded
[04:39] <foxbuntu> hmm
[04:39] <foxbuntu> ok, I will look into it anyhow
[04:39] <foxbuntu> I really want to add this Recording extender to the top of my list
[04:40] <foxbuntu> I was thinking of using it for just the oppisite purpose it was designed as well
[04:40] <foxbuntu> watching for programs running long to automatically adjust the recordings so that you always have the right time slots
[04:41] <foxbuntu> and then for sport events using it as designed
[04:45] <tgm4883_laptop> foxbuntu, I don't know how well that would work
[04:45] <tgm4883_laptop> currently it checks some website to see if it is running long
[04:45] <foxbuntu> oh is that all it does?
[04:46] <foxbuntu> thats suxor
[04:46] <foxbuntu> I was still looking at it
[04:47] <foxbuntu> oh I see..it just polls espn.com to find out if the event is still running its not looking at the TV
[04:47] <foxbuntu> damn
[04:47] <tgm4883_laptop> yea, I'm not sure how you could adapt that
[04:48] <foxbuntu> yea...I don't know enough about CommFlagging otherwise I am sure that would produce results in that area
[04:49] <foxbuntu> because I would bet to say there is a start and stop flag on a program so you could be polling for the program info
[04:49] <foxbuntu> but thats still not a great way to do it either
[04:50] <tgm4883_laptop> the problem with that is that the commflagg is always behind live tv
[04:50] <foxbuntu> right
[04:50] <foxbuntu> you would have to be inside the tuner buffer
[04:51] <foxbuntu> I wonder what info is tagged on TV shows these days and how you would poll it
[05:00] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, I really don't need a project like this :P
[05:10] <superm1_> foxbuntu, this is def still a blue bar
[05:10] <superm1_> by default
[05:11] <superm1_> and a bright blue tint as accents to tabs
[05:11] <foxbuntu> superm1_, I made it a little darker than the default and made the other colors darker
[05:11] <superm1_> well the background color is darker yes
[05:11] <superm1_> but i mean the blue bar on top
[05:11] <superm1_> its bright blue defaults
[05:11] <foxbuntu> ok you want the active bar color darker then?
[05:12] <superm1_> well i just think it clashes right now
[05:12] <foxbuntu> ok
[05:12] <foxbuntu> gimp me a color you like
[05:12] <superm1_> i dont have a colour in mind
[05:12] <superm1_> just something that doesnt clash like that
[05:12] <foxbuntu> geez
[05:12] <foxbuntu> lol
[05:12] <foxbuntu> alright...I will look at it again
[05:13] <foxbuntu> does everything else look alright?
[05:13] <superm1_> i'm commiting a change with a few other small things
[05:13] <foxbuntu> k
[05:13] <foxbuntu> I mean colorwise though
[05:13] <superm1_> well i mean its that same blue used throughout
[05:14] <superm1_> as long as you pick a color that doesnt clash with the grey background, the grey can work
[05:14] <foxbuntu> ok...
[05:14] <foxbuntu> yea its set for all active selections
[05:14] <foxbuntu> hows Pink strike ya?
[05:15] <superm1_> well if you get a shade that looks good that's fine
[05:15] <superm1_> good luck finding such shade
[05:15] <foxbuntu> superm1_, great help as always
[05:15] <foxbuntu> :)
[05:15] <superm1_> i try
[05:15] <foxbuntu> you know what
[05:15] <foxbuntu> its just a week of new things
[05:15] <foxbuntu> I really like MythStream and didn't think I would
[05:16] <superm1_> i haven't used it much myself yet
[05:16] <foxbuntu> i got it running right now tv off
[05:17] <foxbuntu> superm1_, I was gonna ask you if you knew anything about how commflaging actually works and how they poll the flags to check the program data
[05:17] <superm1_> poll what flags?
[05:18] <foxbuntu> the commercial flags
[05:18] <superm1_> there is nothing polled
[05:18] <superm1_> its all detected
[05:18] <foxbuntu> hmm ok
[05:18] <superm1_> there are like 4-6 methods
[05:18] <superm1_> black frame
[05:18] <superm1_> aspect ratio
[05:18] <superm1_> network logo
[05:18] <superm1_> and others i can't think of off hand
[05:19] <foxbuntu> I was hoping there was a documented method of reading the metadata in the shows
[05:19] <superm1_> there is no such metadata
[05:19] <foxbuntu> oh
[05:19] <superm1_> that tells you where commercials are
[05:19] <superm1_> if there was, commercial detection would be perfect
[05:19] <foxbuntu> well I was looking for for data about what program is currently running
[05:19] <foxbuntu> other than the guide
[05:20] <superm1_> you mean whats supplied by schedules direct?
[05:20] <foxbuntu> right
[05:20] <superm1_> i dont know much about the format that is provided in
[05:20] <foxbuntu> I want data from liveTV
[05:21] <foxbuntu> I assume its there for data protection purposes and I figure a use for it if I can read it somehow
[05:21] <superm1_> there is no data provided from live tv
[05:22] <superm1_> i'm assuming you are meaning the digital data provided to cable company boxes
[05:22] <superm1_> because nothing is broadcast in the tv stream on cable
[05:22] <superm1_> over the air there is EIT data
[05:22] <foxbuntu> hmm
[05:22] <foxbuntu> damn ok
[05:22] <foxbuntu> I figured as much but was hoping for more
[05:23] <superm1_> well if you switch to OTA
[05:23] <superm1_> you can
[05:23] <superm1_> but you dont get as much data as you would with schedules direct
[05:23] <superm1_> you'll get 1-5 days
[05:23] <superm1_> whereas SD will get you 14
[05:24] <foxbuntu> no I was looking for something that will start watching a program previous to the one you want like 2 mins before its supposed to end and if the title doesn't change to the right prgram it doesn't start recording until it does
[05:25] <foxbuntu> i.e a football runs long on Hero's night and Heros gets bumped by a few minutes which would in fact drop the last few mins of Heros right
[05:26] <foxbuntu> I was thinking about an auto bump so the recording show sits right
[05:26] <superm1_> oh
[05:26] <superm1_> there has been discussion about something like that
[05:27] <superm1_> but the live data isn't updated in the EIT data
[05:27] <superm1_> so the only way it can be detected is heuristically
[05:28] <foxbuntu> yea..which isn't a great way of doing it either
[05:29] <foxbuntu> eh...it was just a thought
[05:29] <foxbuntu> MythTV really puts Tivo to shame
[05:29] <foxbuntu> I mean I look at my parents DVR from DirectTV and I can't stand that thing
[05:30] <foxbuntu> superm1_, did you already commit so I can pull and commit?
[05:30] <foxbuntu> rev 11 right?
[05:31] <superm1_> yes
[05:33] <foxbuntu> I just pushed it up
[05:33] <foxbuntu> you should like it much better now
[05:36] <superm1_> yea for the most part better
[05:36] <superm1_> i dont know if its still something i'd like to call final
[05:36] <superm1_> but better enough for now
[05:36] <foxbuntu> oh its not final
[05:37] <foxbuntu> its a steping stone to the day it all gets wrote over again to match the new theme troy_s and I are working on
[05:37] <foxbuntu> certianly cleaner than the last build
[05:41] <foxbuntu> superm1_, is there anything else in there you really don't like that you want me to change before we release this version?
[05:41] <superm1_> nothing that i can imm see that sticks out
[05:42] <superm1_> is it good for you?
[05:42] <foxbuntu> I am happy with it
[05:42] <foxbuntu> fits pretty well around your favorite gothic theme
[05:42] <foxbuntu> :)
[05:43] <superm1_> okay well i'll push it up then
[05:43] <foxbuntu> awesome
[05:45] <foxbuntu> I wonder if a theme engine like clearlooks will fix your tv problem
[05:45] <foxbuntu> I know its a DBI thing...but just a curiousty thing
[05:45] <superm1_> DPI
[05:46] <foxbuntu> DPI...DBI...DVI...they are all the same...like at BBY when someone asks u if it has SUB or UBS
[05:46] <foxbuntu> wait...er thats USB
[05:46] <foxbuntu> lol
[05:47] <foxbuntu> anywho
[05:47] <foxbuntu> sorry bad topic
[05:50] <foxbuntu> superm1_, anyways glad to finally have that GTK thing done and just let me know where else I can help
[05:51] <superm1_> foxbuntu, well that bug on mythbuntu-lirc-generator
[05:51] <foxbuntu> oh the Y and C buttons?
[05:52] <foxbuntu> hmm
[05:52] <foxbuntu> yeah...I never got feed back on it
[05:53] <superm1_> well also adding REPEAT support to mythbuntu-lirc-generator
[05:53] <foxbuntu> repeat?
[05:53] <superm1_> yea laga filed a bug on it
[05:53] <foxbuntu> I only see two bugs on launchpad
[05:53] <superm1_> foxbuntu, here you go. https://launchpad.net/~nickj-fox/+packages
[06:00] <foxbuntu> thanks
[06:01] <foxbuntu> I guess I will have to find out what those buttons are called on my own
[06:01] <foxbuntu> since the bug poster didn't leave any info on the remote he is using
[06:01] <foxbuntu> :P
[06:02] <foxbuntu> laga, you there?
[06:02] <foxbuntu> superm1_, I don't see anything about REPEAT support in these bugs
[06:03] <superm1_> well laga mentioned it here
[06:03] <superm1_> they might be filed against the source package in ubuntu
[06:03] <superm1_> not mythbuntu
[06:03] <superm1_> dunno
[06:04] <foxbuntu> oh
[06:04] <foxbuntu> well I just sent him a note about he remote info so I can track it down
[06:05] <superm1_> i want to say it was just to add a --repeat NUM
[06:05] <superm1_> option
[06:05] <superm1_> that will automatically set that repeat value to all of the keys
[06:05] <superm1_> if your entire remote is overly sensitive
[06:05] <foxbuntu> ok
[06:05] <foxbuntu> well I will look at that one too
[06:06] <foxbuntu> I mean my remote doesn't have the input and Y key he is talking about...so I need a remote to reference off of
[06:06] <foxbuntu> I don't remember running across those keys either...however I wasn't looking for them
[06:31] <CBiLL> cool alpha4 is out
[06:32] <superm1_> CBiLL, ya
[06:32] <superm1_> something not noted on the release notes for it, proprietary graphics detection crashes some boxes
[06:32] <superm1_> still under investigation
[06:33] <CBiLL> hrmm
[06:33] <CBiLL> gonna go try it but Ill let you know if it crashes mine
[06:33] <superm1_> if it does, just skip that step
[06:33] <superm1_> and you can do it after install
[06:33] <superm1_> but yea more notes for the bug to help track it down would be very good
[06:33] <CBiLL> ok
[06:34] <CBiLL> nice
[06:34] <CBiLL> so I can click something and it turn into a desktop if I need to use it as a desktop?
[06:35] <superm1_> should be able to
[06:40] <ubotu> New bug: #126781 in mythtv (multiverse) "myth-tv failed to upgrade properly on distribution upgrade" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126781
[07:45] <ubotu> New bug: #130568 in mythbuntu "nvidia-auto-select should be removed from xorg.conf for analog HD (720p/1080i) over component" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130568
[08:00] <muckngrind> Hello all
[08:00] <muckngrind> Having problems with control center
[08:01] <muckngrind> I'm trying to get the log redirected to a text file but it isn't working.
[08:01] <muckngrind> anyone have ideas?
[08:02] <superm1_> which log?
[08:02] <muckngrind> Just the standard output.  I tried launching using > but it didn't redirect to the file
[08:03] <superm1_> well it doesnt output much to standard output in the first place
[08:03] <muckngrind> I see errors, but my tv isn't displaying clearly
[08:03] <muckngrind> so I thought I'd try to catch them....
[08:03] <superm1_> well let me grab you the way to launch it to catch them
[08:03] <superm1_> sudo /usr/share/mythbuntu-control-centre/bin/mythbuntu-control-centre
[08:04] <superm1_> and hopefully errors should get caught to stdout then
[08:04] <muckngrind> yea,  I get them to stdout, but can't read them.  Can I redirect that to a file?
[08:04] <superm1_> that you should be able to redirect, but they might be coming to stderr
[08:04] <superm1_> and thats why you havent been able to catch them
[08:05] <superm1_> in which case you may want to do it like this
[08:05] <superm1_> sudo /usr/share/mythbuntu-control-centre/bin/mythbuntu-control-centre 2>&1 | tee log.out
[08:05] <muckngrind> Didn't think about stderr.  I'm sure that's it.
[08:05] <superm1_> that will force all of stderr into stdout, and then tee it off to stdout and the log file
[08:05] <muckngrind> I'll give it a run.
[08:05] <muckngrind> thanks
[08:05] <superm1_> what were you doing when it crashed?
[08:06] <muckngrind> It's not crashing, but it won't apply settings.
[08:06] <muckngrind> I change settings, and press Apply, but nothing happens.
[08:06] <muckngrind> Was trying to change auto login
[08:07] <superm1_> someone else was saying something went wrong with auto login too.
[08:07] <superm1_> i'd like to see what the issue is here, in my VMs it's worked out as expected, as well as on my dev laptop
[08:07] <muckngrind> if you are talking about on he answers page, that was me
[08:08] <muckngrind> I can see errors in the teminal, but my tv res is too poor to read them
[08:08] <superm1_> it may have been the answers page, maybe a bug, maybe here.  it all merges in my mind
[08:08] <superm1_> :)
[08:08] <muckngrind> I'm hoping to catch them and submit a bug
[08:08] <muckngrind> I understand
[08:08] <superm1_> yea that'd be great.
[08:09] <muckngrind> I'll get back to you when I get something.
[08:09] <superm1_> thanks
[08:15] <ubotu> New bug: #137451 in mythbuntu "lcdproc should be installed by default and configured if a VFD display is selected at remote selections" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137451
[08:30] <ubotu> New bug: #134028 in mythbuntu "modify /usr/share/startmythtv.sh to check for & run user command file (ala .xsession)" [Wishlist,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134028
[08:31] <cann> morning
[08:32] <superm1_> mornin
[08:32] <muckngrind> thanks, mario.  That worked.
[08:33] <superm1_> muckngrind, you got some output this time around? :)
[08:33] <muckngrind> yes.  Submited bug.
[08:33] <muckngrind> Last line is
[08:33] <muckngrind> ConfigParser.NoOptionError: No option 'autologin' in section: 'mythbuntu'
[08:34] <superm1_> hm, okay
[08:34] <superm1_> can you attach your gdm config files too
[08:34] <superm1_> from /etc/gdm
[08:34] <muckngrind> yep
[08:35] <superm1_> ah that would likely have been why i couldn't reproduce this, i haven't tried from a machine that was setup with the 'mythtv' user initially as the autologiner, just had a few pieces of code for what should have worked.
[08:38] <muckngrind> You want all the conf files?
[08:39] <superm1_> yes
[08:39] <superm1_> *gdm*conf
[08:39] <superm1_> because some of them override others
[08:39] <muckngrind> ok.
[08:40] <ubotu> New bug: #30593 in mythtv "Errors with MySQL 5.0" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/30593
[08:40] <ubotu> New bug: #137452 in mythbuntu "Can't change auto login in Control Center" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137452
[08:42] <muckngrind> uploaded 4 files
[08:42] <superm1_> okay great thanks
[08:42] <superm1_> should be able to nail this one now :)
[08:43] <muckngrind> glad to help.  Let me know if you need anything else.
[08:43] <superm1_> well let me just make sure i understand right, it crashes every time now upon starting
[08:44] <superm1_> upon applying i mean
[08:44] <superm1_> even if you dont change autologin now
[08:44] <muckngrind> not sure I'd call it a crash.  nothing happens when I press apply
[08:45] <muckngrind> doesn't matter if I'm changing auto login or something else
[08:45] <superm1_> well except all that is spit to stderr
[08:45] <muckngrind> correct
[08:45] <muckngrind> i tried setting up nfs and same error
[08:45] <superm1_> this user, dchriste, is it correctly spelled?
[08:45] <muckngrind> yep
[08:46] <superm1_> okay i'll investigate this this week
[08:46] <superm1_> i'll leave some notes on the bug once i figure it out
[08:46] <superm1_> i've gotta get to bed now though :)
[08:46] <muckngrind> ok.  i'll keep an eye on it.
[08:46] <muckngrind> thanks
[08:46] <superm1_> nn
[11:19] <laga> ok. i need to create a new team and not a new project to make a new ppa ;)
[11:23] <Daviey> laga: cool
[11:24] <Daviey> laga: can you do me a favour and attempt to dl the ISO or MD5SUM, from the link on the main site?
[11:24] <laga> which mirror?
[11:25] <Daviey> there is only one :)
[11:25] <laga> USA,CA or USA,TX?
[11:25] <Daviey> huh/1
[11:25] <laga> oh
[11:25] <laga> i'll stfu
[11:25] <laga> on the main page, not the d/l page
[11:25] <Daviey> yes.. didn't realise about the d/l page
[11:25] <Daviey> cool
[11:25] <laga> works
[11:26] <Daviey> You are in Germany :)
[11:26] <laga> i'm redirected to http://us-ca.cdimages.mythbuntu.org/mythbuntu-7.10~070830-i386.iso
[11:26] <laga> Daviey: ORLY ;)
[11:26] <Daviey> erm
[11:26] <Daviey> no you were not
[11:26] <Daviey> redirected to http://us-ca.cdimages.mythbuntu.org/mythbuntu-7.10~070830-i386.isoi386.iso.md5sum
[11:26] <Daviey> :)
[11:27] <laga> tx mirror is much faster for me
[11:27] <laga> 1.12M/s
[11:27] <Daviey> Currently it's set up for US people to get a random US mirror, UK people to get UK mirror and rest of the world is random of all three
[11:27] <Daviey> what about the UK mirror?
[11:28] <Daviey> us-ca = dreamhost shared hosting :/
[11:35] <laga> 400k
[11:35] <laga> or so
[11:35] <Daviey> thats better than i get from there!
[11:36] <Daviey> and it's my bleedin account :(
[11:36] <laga> heh
[11:37] <laga> meandering between 400 and 700 or so
[11:38] <Daviey> i get 70k :o
[11:39] <laga> heh
[12:04] <laga> gnaaa.
[12:05] <laga> i wanna upload the trunk packages to the ppa. dpkg-source -b doesn't produce a .changes file, though
[12:33] <laga> Successfully uploaded packages.
[12:35] <Daviey> woo
[12:35] <Daviey> laga: gets a prize
[12:35] <hexxeh|work> cake for all!
[12:35] <Daviey> for being *super*
[12:36] <laga> suck-up. ;)
[12:36] <laga> i wonder when those packages will show up
[12:37] <hexxeh|work> sod that, i just like cake
[12:37] <laga> heh
[12:38] <hexxeh|work> i've managed to port my website from tables, html 4, and a home-grown php backend ported hastily from a home-grown jsp backend... to css and wordpress \o/
[12:38] <laga> nice
[12:43] <laga> "No Currently building builds for Personal Package Archive for Mythbuntu experimental."
[12:43] <laga> bah
[12:43] <laga> i demand my packages to be built immediately
[12:43] <monkeyBox> Does mythbuntu have kernel support for the PCHDTV 5500?
[12:43] <monkeyBox> I'm getting sick and tired of gentoo and am ready to switch over
[12:43] <laga> monkeyBox: if it works in normal ubuntu, it should work in mythbuntu as well
[12:44] <monkeyBox> laga, that's what I'm not sure about. I'm using Gentoo right now.
[12:44] <laga> monkeyBox: you might want to exercise google then
[12:44] <Daviey> monkeyBox: Try the livecd :O
[12:44] <laga> or search the mythtv mailing list
[12:44] <laga> oh, that's a good idea, too
[12:44] <hexxeh|work> looks like a cx88 card
[12:45] <monkeyBox> laga: that helps b/c I can look in the ubuntu support sites
[12:46] <monkeyBox> ok, found a site where a guy's got it running in ubuntu.  That's all I need for proof ;)
[12:47] <laga> heh
[12:47] <monkeyBox> I've already switched my laptop and my work computer over to ubuntu,  now it's time for my myth box :)
[01:03] <hexxeh|work> themes?
[01:04] <laga> yup
[01:04] <laga> myththemes/ and themes/ from trunk
[01:10] <hexxeh|work> ah, this is for your trunk build?
[01:10] <laga> yes
[01:42] <bendailey> good morning
[01:42] <laga> morning
[01:43] <bendailey> do you know why the mirrors for taken of the mythbuntu.org?
[01:44] <laga> english. do you speak it?
[01:44] <bendailey> yeah sorry it is too early
[01:45] <laga> ;)
[01:45] <bendailey> do you know why the mirrors were taken off of mythbuntu.org
[01:45] <bendailey> How about that for a better question structure?
[02:27] <Daviey> bendailey: When do you think your mirror will be live?
[02:29] <Daviey> oh.. it is :O
[02:31] <laga> *sigh*
[02:31] <laga> some debian packaging stuff makes me wanna bang my head against the wall.
[02:38] <Daviey> bendailey: your mirror will start recieving traffic now \o/
[02:45] <laga> Rejected:
[02:46] <laga> PPA is only allowed for members of launchpad-beta-testers team.
[02:46] <laga> wtf.
[02:52] <bendailey> Daviey, thanks for adding me to the php script
[03:01] <Daviey> np
[03:02] <Daviey> laga: are you in launchpad-beta-testers?
[03:02] <laga> no
[03:02] <laga> PPA is open to the public now
[03:02] <Daviey> well then.. i wonder why it gives that error :s
[03:02] <laga> this is fucked up
[03:02] <laga> if you excuse my language
[03:03] <directhex|work> laga, *gently loved* up
[03:03] <laga> thanks
[03:17] <laga> bah
[03:17] <laga> it's indeed only open to launchpad beta testers
[03:33] <laga> yay, we are on phoronix.com
[03:33] <laga> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjAyMw
[03:33] <laga> just a quick link to the announcement, though
[04:07] <laga> hey superm1
[04:08] <superm1> hey laga
[04:08] <laga> superm1: i can't use the ppas because i'm not in the launchpad-beta-testers team :/
[04:09] <superm1> laga, can you join still?
[04:10] <superm1> or is it too late?
[04:10] <laga> it's moderated, so i'm waiting for someone to approve my membership request
[04:10] <superm1> ah i see
[04:10] <laga> BTw, i knocked up some packages for myththemes/ and themes/
[04:10] <superm1> for trunk versions you mean?
[04:11] <laga> yes
[04:11] <laga> should be usable for -fixes as well. i'm not sure if themes/ is in -fixes, though
[04:11] <laga> but since they're separate packages it shouldn't matter
[04:14] <laga> superm1: can you tell me how to use get-orig-source? it made a .tar.gz for me, but i'm not sure what to do with that. i'd like to upload it with dput, but there's no .changes file
[04:14] <superm1> laga, you need to do a 'debuild -S -sa'
[04:14] <superm1> to build a source package
[04:15] <superm1> and then that makes your .changes
[04:15] <laga> thanks
[04:15] <laga> so many different ways...
[04:15] <superm1> well debuild is the only way i roll :)
[04:15] <laga> i usually use dpkg-buildpackage -S or dpkg-source -b to make source packages
[04:16] <superm1> debuild is a big wrapper around dpkg-buildpackage and dpkg-source
[04:16] <laga> i know
[04:16] <laga> interesting. it's expecting a different filename ;)
[04:16] <laga> i'll just hack debian/rules to create a different .tar.gz then
[04:20] <superm1_> laga, regarding team membership, do you think mythbuntu-trunk should be part of mythbuntu or the other way around?
[04:20] <laga> it's ok the way it is now
[04:22] <superm1_> keescook, they finally got acked to -proposed this morning
[04:22] <superm1_> perhaps this SRU will finally almost be done :)
[04:28] <Daviey> superm1_: mythbuntu - check the logs :)
[04:28] <Daviey> ~/downloads.txt
[04:29] <superm1_> wow sweet
[04:29] <tgm4883> very sweet
[04:29] <Daviey> bendailey's mirror is now live
[04:29] <Daviey> tgm4883: sugar
[04:29] <tgm4883> artificial or real?
[04:29] <Daviey> artificial is bitter
[04:30] <superm1_> Daviey, we can actually do some real stats with this then
[04:30] <superm1_> on the important stuff
[04:30] <tgm4883> white or brown?
[04:30] <Daviey> superm1_: I kept it out of /var/www so it would be hidden
[04:30] <superm1_> and figure out where our big audience is
[04:30] <Daviey> USA?
[04:30] <superm1_> well not to mention we dont have rights to /var/www
[04:30] <Daviey> public_html then :)
[04:30] <tgm4883> the torrents seem to be doing well
[04:31] <Daviey> yep
[04:31] <Daviey> The download script doesn't track downloads of the torrent
[04:31] <Daviey> If you can give me a url of a .torrent then it will work
[04:31] <superm1_> well the torrents are stored internally
[04:31] <superm1_> in drupal
[04:32] <tgm4883> err, the only URL's I could give would be the links I gave you earlier
[04:32] <superm1_> but torrent tracking stats are integrated in drupal too aren't they?
[04:32] <tgm4883> I think our torrents have been distributed externally though
[04:32] <Daviey> does /me have access to the drupal torrent stats page?
[04:32] <superm1_> tgm4883, ?
[04:32] <tgm4883> yea
[04:32] <tgm4883> very strange though
[04:32] <tgm4883> about 30 "snatches" which I would think is downloads
[04:32] <tgm4883> http://www.mythbuntu.org/bt/list
[04:33] <Daviey> cool
[04:33] <Daviey> So snatchers are ex-seeders?
[04:33] <superm1_> um how can there be 30 snatches with so many other seeders and such
[04:33] <superm1_> ah ex seeder
[04:33] <superm1_> that would make sens
[04:33] <superm1_> sense even
[04:34] <tgm4883> lol
[04:34] <tgm4883> http://linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=4490
[04:34] <tgm4883> were on linuxtracker anyway
[04:34] <Daviey> who upped us there?
[04:34] <tgm4883> but they still use our tracker
[04:34] <tgm4883> sofus
[04:34] <Daviey> (http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/announce)
[04:34] <Daviey> >:S
[04:35] <Daviey> Thats ubuntu gutsy!
[04:35] <tgm4883> whoops
[04:35] <tgm4883> Thats what I get for trusting google
[04:35] <tgm4883> it's too early and I need my coffee
[04:36] <tgm4883> someone probably emailed the torrent
[04:37] <superm1> Daviey, did you ever end up having any luck with folks in #canonical-sysadmin?
[04:37] <superm1> i saw your name pop up in #launchpad, but i was on my way out
[04:38] <laga> superm1: thanks for showing me get-orig-source. very useful :)
[04:39] <tgm4883> superm1, did foxbuntu fix the theme so the check boxes were easier to understand?
[04:39] <superm1> laga, thank persia if you ever see him, he forced me to use it on a bzr package, and so i had to improve it and now i use it all over
[04:39] <laga> cool
[04:39] <superm1> tgm4883, yea it a pretty radical change acutally
[04:39] <tgm4883> ok
[04:39] <superm1> let me apply it and show you a screenshot
[04:39] <tgm4883> Did anyone see this
[04:39] <tgm4883> http://www.linux.com/feature/118668
[04:40] <tgm4883> it's a  comparison of the 3 mythtv distros
[04:40] <tgm4883> mythbuntu didn't win though :(
[04:40] <superm1> well we're alpha, how fair is that...
[04:40] <tgm4883> I know
[04:40] <tgm4883> and he did it on Aug 28th
[04:41] <tgm4883> with alpha 3
[04:41] <tgm4883> just missed the alpha 4
[04:41] <tgm4883> reading it though, our problems are fixable
[04:41] <superm1> actually i think all the problems he mentioned for us are fixed
[04:41] <superm1> mythstream is
[04:41] <superm1> the installer is reorderd
[04:41] <superm1> new gtk theme
[04:43] <Daviey> we did well out of that review imo
[04:43] <Daviey> we were mentioned to be better in some ways than knoppmyth
[04:43] <Daviey> (which is probably the widest used myth$distro)
[04:44] <superm1> http://img530.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newgtkthemeju7.png
[04:44] <tgm4883> that is MUCH nicer
[04:44] <Daviey> mario has been a busy bee
[04:45] <superm1> well that was foxbuntu who did the new theme.  I just coached on the packaging of it
[04:45] <superm1> but yes i have been busy.
[04:46] <laga> nice theme
[04:47] <Daviey> *cough*
[04:47] <Daviey> The community development behind KnoppMyth is considerable, how many PCs can you buy with MythDora or Mythbuntu preinstalled?
[04:47] <Daviey> "   "  KM forum
[04:47] <superm1> do you need mythbuntu pre-installed?
[04:47] <superm1> i mean really?
[04:48] <tgm4883> lots
[04:48] <laga> selling mythtv/mythbuntu has to be fun due to liblame and friends
[04:48] <superm1> how does knoppmyth get away with that?
[04:48] <laga> superm1: i''m about to join the launchpad beta testers team btw
[04:49] <superm1> laga, woot
[04:49] <laga> yeah
[04:49] <laga> :)
[04:49] <Daviey> Last i saw.. KM used the 'example' method
[04:49] <laga> took me all day, almost ;)
[04:49] <superm1> laga, make sure about version numbers before you dput to ppa
[04:49] <superm1> always add a ~ppaX
[04:49] <superm1> or ~mythbuntuX
[04:49] <laga> mythtv_0.20.99+trunk14393-0.0ubuntu0
[04:49] <superm1> to the end of the version number
[04:49] <laga> ok
[04:50] <superm1> it allows you to dput a newer revision to ppa should you need to
[04:50] <superm1> without interfering with the old one
[04:50] <superm1> i'm greatful dogfood isn't used anymore, because it had a few that got messed up for me
[04:50] <laga> do i start with ~ppa0?
[04:50] <superm1> nope
[04:50] <superm1> ~ppa1
[04:50] <laga> thx
[04:50] <laga> so it's mythtv_0.20.99+trunk14393-0.0ubuntu0~ppa1 ?
[04:51] <superm1> yea that should be good
[04:51] <laga> thanks a bunch :)
[04:51] <superm1> also your going to quickly realize how much ppa sucks dealing with stuff that builds upon it
[04:51] <superm1> so mythplugins wants to be built against that mythtv of course
[04:52] <laga> i know
[04:52] <laga> i hope they'll add that
[04:52] <laga> i'll make sure to bitch about it on launchpad-users of course
[04:52] <Daviey> What is happening with the mythbuntu docs?
[04:53] <superm1> so make sure that you add a version number depends in mythplugins source package
[04:53] <superm1> so if you make it depend on say libmyth-dev >= 0.20.99
[04:53] <superm1> or something like that
[04:53] <laga> oh
[04:54] <superm1> you'll get it working
[04:54] <laga> i was just gonna wait for them to finish building
[04:55] <superm1> its a matter of making sure they publish rather than build
[04:55] <superm1> building is quick
[04:55] <superm1> publishing is likely on a cron job
[04:55] <laga> oh
[04:56] <KevinOman> hello, im trying to install mythbuntu and it seems to have frozen at the Additional Drivers/Firmware page
[04:57] <KevinOman> Its not actually frozen as the mouse still moves
[04:57] <superm1> KevinOman, its a known issue, we've got a bug open on it.  Dont activate the proprietary drivers at this point
[04:57] <KevinOman> ok thanks
[04:57] <superm1> KevinOman, but if you can, can you put a few things on the bug that's open
[04:57] <superm1> related to your setup?
[04:58] <KevinOman> ok ill go check it out
[04:58] <superm1> particularly run 'restricted-manager -l' from a terminal in the live cd mode
[04:58] <superm1> and what video card you have
[04:58] <superm1> its bug 137167
[04:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137167 in mythbuntu "installer freezes when click install proprietary driver" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137167
[04:59] <KevinOman> ok
[05:00] <KevinOman> "start mythbuntu in safe graphics mode" is that live cd?
[05:00] <superm1> you shouldnt need to do that
[05:01] <superm1> some other people have, but shouldnt need to yourself
[05:01] <KevinOman> hmm I don't see a live cd option
[05:01] <superm1> just dont click the activate proprietary drivers button on the cd install
[05:02] <superm1> Daviey, why does downloads.txt have mac line endings
[05:02] <superm1> not unix?
[05:02] <superm1>                                                   [ Read 113 lines (Converted from Mac format) ]
[05:02] <laga> do we have a mole?
[05:03] <Daviey> superm1: php oddity
[05:03] <superm1> weird.
[05:03] <directhex|work> even macs don't use mac line endings anymore
[05:03] <superm1> haha
[05:03] <Daviey> Well i noticed that, and thought -bah- it works
[05:04] <KevinOman> superm1: are you saying to go ahead and install or boot from the live cd first?
[05:04] <Daviey> superm1: maybe i should insert "," to make it easier to import to OO.org
[05:04] <superm1> KevinOman, i'm saying boot the live cd, run restricted-manager -l
[05:05] <superm1> post that output
[05:05] <superm1> and then carry on with install
[05:05] <Daviey> superm1: I also forgot to change the "Downloads" page - so some would have got missed
[05:05] <KevinOman> the mythbuntu live frontend?
[05:05] <KevinOman> sorry im new to mythtv
[05:05] <superm1> KevinOman, Sorry.  i am meaning after you boot up the live cd
[05:06] <superm1> right click the desktop
[05:06] <superm1> and choose terminal
[05:06] <superm1> type 'restricted-manager -l'
[05:06] <superm1> open up FF, and paste the output into that bug
[05:06] <KevinOman> ok, im not sure if I have the live cd
[05:06] <superm1> and then install as you would using the normal installer on the live cd
[05:06] <superm1> KevinOman, that's the only cd we have :0
[05:06] <KevinOman> ok, so boot into mythbuntu live frontend?
[05:06] <KevinOman> :D
[05:07] <Daviey> superm1: hmm.. maybe would should include the app 'pastebinit'
[05:07] <laga> yes
[05:07] <superm1> KevinOman, well you dont need to double click the live frontend
[05:07] <superm1> that's only for if you have a backend setup, and dont want to install :)
[05:07] <KevinOman> well I don't see a lice cd option anywhere
[05:07] <KevinOman> live*
[05:07] <KevinOman> maybe im blind
[05:08] <superm1> the live cd env is exactly what you booted into when you put in the cd
[05:08] <superm1> and were brought to that desktop with the icons
[05:08] <superm1> for the installer and such
[05:08] <KevinOman> right, on there is see mythbuntu, VLC GM player Firefox and Install Mythbuntu
[05:08] <superm1> Right.
[05:09] <superm1> so right click the desktop
[05:09] <superm1> and choose the terminal there
[05:09] <KevinOman> oh
[05:09] <KevinOman> haha
[05:11] <laga> [PPA mythbuntu-trunk]  Accepted: OK: mythtv-additional-themes_0.20.99+trunk14393.orig.tar.gz
[05:11] <laga> yay
[05:11] <superm1> are these different than the normal mythtv-themes?
[05:11] <superm1> what's in them?
[05:12] <laga> that's some of juskis themes
[05:12] <directhex|work> stick mepo-wide in there too, it'd drive juski mad!
[05:12] <laga> blootube, project grayhem etc
[05:12] <laga> directhex|work: hehe
[05:12] <laga> you're evil
[05:12] <superm1> laga, where did those go? They're not on his site anymore?
[05:12] <superm1> are they part of trunk then?
[05:12] <laga> superm1: they're in svn
[05:13] <superm1> they work against 0.20-fixes though still right?
[05:13] <superm1> directhex|work, what does juski have against mepo-wide?
[05:13] <laga> superm1: i don't know
[05:13] <directhex|work> superm1, he hates mepo for being enormously cute
[05:13] <directhex|work> he hates the theme for being a port of a MediaPortal theme
[05:14] <directhex|work> well. MePo is from a media portal theme, dunno how much of the rest of the theme is borrowed and/or original
[05:15] <KevinOman> ok, I sent the bug report
[05:15] <superm1> thx KevinOman, hope the rest of things work out well for you :)
[05:15] <KevinOman> well give it a try
[05:16] <KevinOman> :)
[05:16] <superm1> look in the mythtv menu system for the "Mythbuntu" option after install.  you can install proprietary drivers from that afterward
[05:16] <KevinOman> ok thanks
[05:28] <KevinOman> Schedules direct the only way to get guide data?
[05:28] <laga> i think there'll be tv_grav_na_dv grabber in the xmltv release
[05:28] <laga> dunno how/if it works well
[05:29] <KevinOman> I just don't want to pay for it
[05:29] <KevinOman> im broke
[05:29] <KevinOman> :)
[05:32] <laga> it's 15 bucks or so
[05:33] <KevinOman> for life?
[05:33] <laga> um
[05:33] <laga> www.schedulesdirect.org
[05:33] <tgm4883> no
[05:33] <tgm4883> for 3 months
[05:33] <tgm4883> they are shooting for $20/year though
[05:33] <laga> The cost of the service is currently US$15/3 months with a 7 day trial. We hope to lower the price by the end of the term, so recurring subscriptions are not yet offered.
[05:34] <KevinOman> that would be nice
[05:34] <KevinOman> im not a big fan of windows anymore but there guide data was free
[05:41] <KevinOman> ok im at the main page now, everything is configured, what do I do now?
[05:53] <KevinOman> when I tried to start the tv it said looks like the backend isn't working, check your ip address. What master ip addresss do I use
[05:53] <laga> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[05:53] <laga> ^^ read the documentation please
[05:58] <KevinOman> well that page didn't really answer my question
[05:58] <laga> you need to be more specfic then
[05:59] <tgm4883> is the frontend/backend on the same machine?
[05:59] <tgm4883> do you have multiple frontends?
[05:59] <tgm4883> do you have multiple backends?
[05:59] <KevinOman> no
[05:59] <KevinOman> just one
[05:59] <tgm4883> do you have any combination of the above?
[05:59] <tgm4883> so just one machine?
[05:59] <KevinOman> yes
[05:59] <tgm4883> what did you set it to in mythtv-setup?
[05:59] <tgm4883> your actual ip or <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:00] <KevinOman> the same as my actual ip
[06:00] <tgm4883> then you should use your actual ip in the frontend as well
[06:00] <KevinOman> should I use <IP_ADDRESS>?
[06:00] <tgm4883> you could try
[06:00] <KevinOman> that's what I did
[06:00] <tgm4883> it's been a while since I did a setup
[06:00] <KevinOman> I used my ip in both of them
[06:01] <tgm4883> laga, do you know if the bind=<IP_ADDRESS> is commented out for mysql by default?
[06:01] <laga> not by default, no.
[06:01] <tgm4883> hmm
[06:01] <laga> you can enable that in the control centre, though
[06:01] <tgm4883> that may be the problem then
[06:01] <directhex|work> generally, use <IP_ADDRESS> unless you plan on having multiple frontends. otherwise you get the mysql issue tgm4883 is talking about
[06:02] <tgm4883> ^^ yea, although if you plan on having more frontends later, its easier to setup now
[06:02] <KevinOman> If I use that will I be able to connect to internet?
[06:02] <tgm4883> as when you add later, you will enevitably forget that it is binded to <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:03] <directhex|work> KevinOman, it's a setting that only relates to how your frontends contact your backend. and how your backend contacts your SQL server.
[06:03] <tgm4883> yes, you are just telling it where the backend is, not where the internet is
[06:03] <KevinOman> ok so my network config won't change?
[06:03] <directhex|work> tgm4883, the big problem being home routers with shoddy DHCP servers in them making the whole thing rather sub-optimal
[06:04] <directhex|work> suddenly you're looking at setting up a static ip and resolv.conf and /etc/hosts too
[06:04] <tgm4883> directhex|work, thats why you either do static IP, or static DHCP
[06:04] <tgm4883> my preference is static DHCP
[06:04] <directhex|work> tgm4883, static dhcp rules. but most consumer-grade routers you're lucky to get it
[06:04] <tgm4883> directhex|work, thats why you load 3rd party firmware :)
[06:04] <directhex|work> so add "set up a dhcpd" to my list!
[06:05] <directhex|work> personally i wish for hostnames rather than IPs, plus an autoresolving service like winbind or avahi
[06:15] <KevinOman> ok , its still saying the same thing, I have switched both ip addresses to <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:23] <superm1> tgm4883, can you modify that front post to add the known bug for the installer freezing?
[06:24] <superm1> the one than KevinOman commented on
[06:27] <tgm4883_laptop> 137167?
[06:27] <KevinOman> ok,  I don't know if this is still a backend problem, but when I go to live tv it says Mythtv is already using all available inputs for the channel you selected.If you want to watch an in-progress recording, select one from the playback menu. If you want to watch live tv, cancel one of the in-progress recordings from the delete menu.
[06:28] <tgm4883_laptop> !bug #137167
[06:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137167 in mythbuntu "installer freezes when click install proprietary driver" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137167
[06:30] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, I dont need to do anything special before I post it so it doesn't reshow up on the planet do I ?
[06:30] <superm1> tgm4883, just hit edit
[06:30] <superm1> on Daviey's post
[06:30] <superm1> and it wont show up on planet
[06:31] <tgm4883_laptop> KevinOman, did you configure tuners?
[06:31] <KevinOman> yes under "capture card setup"
[06:31] <tgm4883_laptop> ok, added
[06:31] <superm1> great thanks
[06:32] <tgm4883_laptop> KevinOman, and I assume you haven't setup any schedules yet
[06:32] <KevinOman> nope
[06:32] <tgm4883_laptop> is /var/mythtv (or whatever mythtv directory you set) writable?
[06:32] <KevinOman> I don't have 15 dollars
[06:32] <KevinOman> I don't know
[06:32] <superm1> just get the trial for now
[06:32] <superm1> its free for 7 days
[06:32] <KevinOman> its just a default setup
[06:32] <superm1> you pay afterward
[06:32] <KevinOman> ohok
[06:33] <superm1> after the 7 days
[06:33] <tgm4883_laptop> and unlike other trial offers, you don't have to call to cancel or be billed automatically :)
[06:34] <KevinOman> when I click apply changes it always says no changes were made and I have to cancel
[06:51] <KevinOman> when I add my tunercard and click finish it goes to the add a card menu again
[06:53] <tgm4883> did it add your card?
[06:55] <KevinOman> ok I thnk I've figured it out, I had to go to video sources and do the scan thingy
[06:55] <KevinOman> ok tv works now
[06:56] <tgm4883> yea i believe that nothing works right until you go through the first 4 steps
[06:56] <tgm4883> the 5th step isn't mandatory
[07:23] <KevinOman> now I am missing mythbuntu settings menu
[07:23] <laga> yay, mythtv-vid has been merged
[07:24] <laga> sad, opengl rendering is disabled for now
[07:24] <superm1> keescook, you around?
[07:24] <KevinOman> how did I lose the mythbuntu menu?
[07:24] <KevinOman> is that a bug?
[07:24] <superm1> KevinOman, was it there, and dissappeared?
[07:24] <superm1> or never there?
[07:24] <KevinOman> yes
[07:24] <KevinOman> it was there
[07:25] <superm1> what'd you change?
[07:25] <KevinOman> umm, I set up my card and listings
[07:25] <KevinOman> I think that's about it
[07:26] <superm1> well that's really weird.
[07:26] <superm1> i'd say close the frontend and open it up and look once more
[07:26] <superm1> ?
[07:26] <keescook> superm1: hiya
[07:26] <KevinOman> ok
[07:27] <superm1> hey keescook.  i've got the debdiff for the lirc patch all ready to go.  would you be able to give it a quick lookover, i just tested it with the udev stuff on my mceusb2, but it should work for most devices
[07:27] <keescook> superm1: cool!  yeah, point me to the URLs.  :)
[07:27] <superm1> should be on bug 134949
[07:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134949 in lirc "IDs for MCEUSB2 distributed by HP" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134949
[07:27] <laga> superm1: will you also modify the lircd.conf files?
[07:28] <superm1> laga, what do you mean?
[07:28] <superm1> the udev thing is very preliminary right now.  It just reloads lirc and stops lirc when devices are added and removed
[07:28] <keescook> superm1: the udev reload isn't needed.
[07:29] <superm1> keescook, it wasn't detecting the new rules for me until i did?
[07:29] <KevinOman> ok I was under appearance and I changed the menu theme from default to classic, that made the mythbuntu menu dissapear
[07:29] <keescook> superm1: really?
[07:29] <keescook> I thought it monitored its config directory.
[07:30] <superm1> keescook, if its supposed to monitor the config directory, wasn't doing it for me.
[07:30] <keescook> +ACTION=="remove", KERNEL=="lirc[0-9] ", RUN="/etc/init.d/lirc stop udev"
[07:30] <keescook> that means if I plug in two devices, and then unplug one, lirc will be dead.
[07:30] <keescook> ?
[07:30] <superm1> well currently the init scripts can't even handle more than one device
[07:31] <keescook> hah
[07:31] <superm1> unless you hack at them yourself
[07:31] <superm1> so isn't that jumping a bit ahead of the problem?
[07:31] <keescook> hm.
[07:31] <superm1> and lirc would die either way in that case with its current architecture
[07:31] <superm1> because with two devices you have to chain lircd processes
[07:32] <superm1> across a tcp port
[07:32] <keescook> oh insane
[07:32] <superm1> yea, lirc really needs an overhaul in many areas
[07:33] <superm1> i've brainstormed multiple ideas of how to add more than a single device to the init script, and udev, but it all turns pretty messy due to that chaining of processes
[07:33] <superm1> KevinOman, you need to keep the menu layouts as default to have the mythbuntu item
[07:33] <KevinOman> ok
[07:34] <superm1> KevinOman, currently its only part of that layout.  If you want it somewhere in the classic layout, file a bug and i can add it to that one too.  Just indicate where
[07:34] <KevinOman> I was just seeing what it did and didn't realize what it reall had done. :)
[07:34] <keescook> superm1: I'm not understanding the benefit of the udev rules, then.  the lirc init script already load the modules and itself.  this is a rule strictly for detectable devices, like the various USB ones, right?
[07:35] <superm1> exactly.
[07:35] <superm1> the udev rule is so that you can hotplug a device
[07:35] <superm1> and have lirc start and stop
[07:35] <CBiLL> does it support rf firefly yet or UIRT?
[07:36] <superm1> CBiLL, haven't made any changes toward either of those in this patch
[07:36] <CBiLL> ok
[07:37] <KevinOman> sorry to be a pain, but the guide doesn't have any data, just says unknown for everything
[07:39] <keescook> superm1: can you add some comments to the udev rules detailing the issues about "only one device possible", etc, so that people wondering what's going on will have some place to start investigating?
[07:39] <superm1> keescook, sure in like a README.Debian
[07:39] <keescook> superm1: right, though I think it might be best in the rules file itself, in case people go looking there.
[07:39] <KevinOman> have you guys seen the linux mce remote?
[07:39] <superm1> keescook, i've got two useful use cases for it at least.  1) you dock your laptop and undock it a lot (this is my usecase) and want lirc to restart 2) someone accidently unplugs your receiver.  You plug it back in
[07:40] <superm1> keescook, k
[07:40] <CBiLL> is zap2it gone?
[07:40] <keescook> superm1: true; I'm curious about the non-pluggable devices.  Also, all clients need to be restarted when lirc restarts.  :(
[07:40] <keescook> CBiLL: in the old incarnation, yes.
[07:41] <superm1> keescook, yea that is a bit of an unfortunate thing.  For my use case number 1, its not a big deal since i dont leave myth running on my laptop when i run around with it
[07:41] <CBiLL> ah I thought it been extended
[07:41] <CBiLL> oh well
[07:41] <superm1> but its a step in the right direction for use case 2 at least
[07:41] <keescook> CBiLL: the schedulesdirect stuff is working, though.
[07:49] <laga> superm1: i've got a lircd.conf i still need to submit. was wondering if you were also modifying that part of lirc
[07:49] <superm1> laga, send it to me, and i'll add it in right now
[07:49] <superm1> i'm just re-updating that debdiff
[07:49] <superm1> do you have it in dpatch format (that'd be pretty convenient :))
[07:50] <laga> superm1: it's not complete yet, some keys are missing. i've gotta run now so i can't update it :(
[07:50] <superm1> laga, okay then we'll do it in a future update
[07:50] <laga> if you want to commit your changes now, don't worries. i'll get it to upstream instead
[07:50] <superm1> we've still got a few weeks
[07:50] <laga> yup
[07:54] <superm1> CBiLL, do you have a bug opened up for the firefly or UIRT that i'm not seeing?
[07:54] <tgm4883> someone should update our wikipedia page
[07:56] <tgm4883> I find it suspect that Mythbuntu and Mythdora have been suggested to be merged with MythTV, but Knoppmyth has not
[07:56] <superm1> haha
[07:57] <tgm4883> WPPD, get down
[07:58] <KevinOman> ahh
[07:58] <superm1> actually that ip that indicated for us to merge,
[07:58] <superm1> did say so for knoppmyth too
[07:58] <superm1> but someone reverted the knoppmyth page
[07:58] <tgm4883> interesting
[07:59] <tgm4883> as it isn't like that on the knoppmyth page
[07:59] <superm1> same thing with linuxmce
[08:03] <tgm4883> biab
[08:04] <laga> gl
[08:08] <superm1> keescook, I put a newer debdiff on the bug with some comments in the udev rule
[08:08] <keescook> superm1: okay, cool
[08:10] <keescook> superm1: btw, I seem to be pushing about 12G a day for the mythbuntu mirroring so far.  :)
[08:10] <superm1> keescook, wow.
[08:10] <superm1> looks like the demand is bigger than we thought?
[08:11] <Daviey> keescook: do you have a usage limit?
[08:11] <keescook> Daviey: 1TB/mon.  I'll be keeping an eye on it.
[08:11] <Daviey> keescook: You can set up apache to set a cap, pretty easily
[08:12] <superm1> Daviey, could you possibly put weighting into your redirect script?
[08:12] <Daviey> Then redirect back to the script, which will push it to another mirror?
[08:12] <Daviey> superm1: yeah should be able to
[08:12] <Daviey> superm1: how so tho?
[08:12] <superm1> Daviey, well i haven't looked at how you choose a mirror right now
[08:12] <superm1> is it just random?
[08:13] <Daviey> superm1: yeah.. random number - then a case statement
[08:13] <Daviey> *nasty*
[08:13] <superm1> Daviey, so you make it a larger random number pool, and give more numbers to one of the assignments.... but yea that is nasty
[08:13] <superm1> surely there is a cleaner way :)
[08:14] <Daviey> superm1: Yeah.. that's how i guessed the weighting would work
[08:15] <keescook> I can handle about 3 times as much load without going over so I'm not worried (yet)
[08:15] <Daviey> We could do with one more european mirror, really
[08:16] <Daviey> also.. i plan to make the script check to see if the requested file exists.. That could be an issue when the next release rolls out - and not all mirrors are up-to-date
[08:17] <keescook> superm1: uploaded -- thanks for adding the comment.  :)
[08:17] <superm1> thx keescook, now i've got to get my git patches made up for linux-ubuntu-modules to include all of this
[08:17] <superm1> too bad there is no automated way to do it
[08:18] <keescook> superm1: yeah :( I'm (or rather mathiaz) is in the same boat for the apparmor modules.
[08:18] <laga> superm1: did j-rod talk to you about lirc? i think they're trying to get it merged into mainline as well
[08:18] <superm1> laga, yea i had a git patch for upstream done too
[08:18] <superm1> he merged it into his
[08:18] <laga> cool stuff
[08:18] <superm1> since he's made more progress than i had
[08:18] <Daviey> j-rod = Ubuntu Media Centre dev?
[08:19] <superm1> j-rod = Jarod Wilson
[08:19] <Daviey> oh
[08:23] <Daviey> US, UK, Mexico, France, Italy, Germany, Greece, Canada, Switzerland, Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary, Finland, Latvia, Australia, Netherlands, Netherlands, Spain, Sweden, Denmark, Switzerland, New Zealand
[08:23] <Daviey> ^ Those countries have downloaded mythbuntu iso *today*
[08:23] <superm1> ha wow
[08:23] <superm1> thats crazy
[08:23] <superm1> so this language support in the installer might actually be worth having working correct he?
[08:23] <superm1> he = eh
[08:24] <Daviey> think so!
[08:26] <ubotu> New bug: #132011 in lirc (main) "irman doesn't work" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132011
[08:36] <MythbuntuGuest60> Does mythubuntu allow you to install restricted drivers like ubuntu does?
[08:39] <tgm4883> ^^ good thing he stuck around for the answer
[08:39] <superm1> haha
[08:40] <superm1> well maybe he'll return
[08:40] <superm1> Daviey, so i didnt hear back from you this morning, any update from elmo?
[08:40] <tgm4883> yep, he is ticklish
[08:40] <tgm4883> thats the word on the street
[08:41] <superm1> tgm4883, i'm glad you bring humor to this room :)
[08:41] <tgm4883> i do what I can
[08:42] <tgm4883> I wouldn't have all this free time if I didn't always have to mess with Windows :)
[08:47] <superm1> laga did trunk on ppa work?
[08:57] <Daviey> superm1: STILL trying to get hold of him!
[08:57] <Daviey> been bugging him twice daily
[08:58] <superm1> haha
[08:58] <superm1> maybe mail him?
[09:00] <Daviey> will do after tonight
[09:00] <Daviey> 5 people are currently downloading the ISO from my mirror
[09:07] <sslashes> what should i do about the error 'Table './mythconverg/oldrecorded' is marked as crashed and should be repaired' from mythbackend?  it still starts and runs fine - should i ignore it or is there something i should do to fix the error?
[09:08] <superm1> sslashes, you should fix it
[09:08] <superm1> google for how to repair tables, or do it in phpmyadmin
[09:10] <sslashes> also - is there a place i can set a base directory for ALL fis mythtv writes while it runs (including everything in /var and everything used by the plugins)?
[09:10] <sslashes> fis = files
[09:19] <superm1> keescook, to make something build for only specific arch's, its just like this in debian/control right: Architecture: i386 amd64 powerpc
[09:19] <superm1> (Space separated)
[09:19] <keescook> superm1: yup, correct
[09:19] <superm1> okay cool good
[09:24] <Daviey> superm1: you were quick adding the Ubuntu Teams entry for mythtv
[09:25] <Daviey> "Approved" should = Yes?
[09:25] <superm1> Daviey, huh?
[09:25] <superm1> i think jono actually asked me to do so
[09:25] <Daviey> asked you what?
[09:25] <superm1> to add us to the ubuntu teams page
[09:25] <Daviey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Teams
[09:26] <Daviey> Yeah.. but we are "Approved" are we not?
[09:26] <superm1> Yes
[09:26] <chuk> on my mythbuntu alpha 4 livecd, the desktop comes up with TINY fonts
[09:26] <chuk> I tried changing the DPI in the xorg.conf
[09:27] <chuk> but it didnt change
[09:27] <chuk> am I missing something else?
[09:27] <superm1> chuk, on what kind of device?
[09:27] <superm1> a tv?
[09:27] <chuk> plasma tv
[09:27] <chuk> 640x480
[09:27] <chuk> it worked ok on alpha3
[09:27] <chuk> nvidia 6200 card
[09:27] <chuk> I will say the edid sucks for this tv
[09:27] <chuk> so I don't know if it is picking up something fishy
[09:28] <chuk> but the DisplaySize usually fixes that for me
[09:33] <superm1> well the issue is the DPI
[09:33] <superm1> i have the same problem on my tv too
[09:33] <superm1> but dont know a workaround for it
[09:33] <superm1> other than after nvidia drivers are installed
[09:34] <chuk> I just installed the nvidia drivers
[09:34] <chuk> with no change
[09:34] <chuk> for what its worth, the font in the terminal window is fine
[09:35] <chuk> its the icons on the desktop, and the text of the installer
[10:06] <tapH20guru> installed mythtv on gutsy on monday the install was So smooth ... just wanted to say thanks
[10:07] <laga> tapH20guru: thanks for the feedback :)
[10:07] <laga> superm1: hum, mythtv packages are still not published. what Section: do you use for the -fixes packages?
[10:08] <laga> tapH20guru: did you also setup mythweb? maybe with a password? did that work as well?
[10:09] <tapH20guru> nope - not yet
[10:09] <tapH20guru> i guess it wasn't part of the master-backend meta package?
[10:09] <laga> ah, k
[10:09] <laga> just wondering
[10:09] <laga> tapH20guru: um, i don't know. i doubt it
[10:10] <tapH20guru> it seems like it should be
[10:10] <laga> oh
[10:10] <laga> Depends: mysql-server, mythtv-database (= 0.20-svn20070122-0.0ubuntu6), mythtv-backend (= 0.20-svn20070122-0.0ubuntu6)
[10:10] <laga> Recommends: mythweb
[10:10] <laga> it should have been installed then
[10:10] <tapH20guru> got ya
[10:11] <laga> tapH20guru: http://localhost/mythweb/ should bring up mythweb if its installed
[10:11] <laga> on your mythtv box
[10:12] <tapH20guru> i'll test it when I get home
[10:12] <tapH20guru> i was a long time Knoppmyth user
[10:12] <tapH20guru> I was thinking that it was going to be a lot harder
[10:13] <tapH20guru> it was really a clean and slick install
[10:38] <Daviey> superm1: I've had to cap my mirror @ 2000 kbps
[10:38] <Daviey> (UK mirror)
[10:47] <Daviey> superm1: ping
[10:57] <superm1> poong
[12:08] <foxbuntu> superm1, hey
[12:08] <superm1> evenin
[12:08] <foxbuntu> I have a new add-on for the Control Centre
[12:08] <superm1> what's that?
[12:08] <foxbuntu> additional button config for remotes
[12:09] <superm1> you've coded this?
[12:09] <foxbuntu> ha
[12:09] <foxbuntu> I should say idea for an add-on
[12:09] <superm1> okay that's a lot more work than you are thinking :)
[12:10] <superm1> not to mention UMC already has some similar apps in process
[12:10] <foxbuntu> well...I looked at what Laga wanted and he was talking random remotes
[12:10] <foxbuntu> he didn't post the Y and C button bug about anything specific
[12:10] <foxbuntu> he wanted to assign them to spare keys
[12:11] <tgm4883> seriously whats the point?  I have pause
[12:11] <foxbuntu> which we can't just pick random keys and add them like that so I was thinking of using the parser we already have and morphing it a bit then using it via the CC
[12:12] <foxbuntu> so it pulls in all the keys and drops the ones that we pre-define
[12:12] <foxbuntu> (the dictionary)
[12:13] <foxbuntu> and then give the user a choice to add more keys and, pick an app and type in the function then rebuild the lircrc
[12:14] <superm1> you really gotta be careful there though, like i said apps like that already exist
[12:14] <foxbuntu> ok
[12:14] <superm1> to customize your keys
[12:14] <superm1> your really dont want to double up the work
[12:14] <foxbuntu> right
[12:14] <foxbuntu> well a little research will be in order then eh?
[12:15] <foxbuntu> UMC...who is that?
[12:15] <superm1> remember mythbuntu-lirc-generator is currently meant to be an interim thing
[12:15] <tgm4883> ubuntu media center
[12:15] <superm1> the guys who are in charge of the remote control spec
[12:15] <tgm4883> i believe
[12:15] <superm1> on wiki.ubuntu.com
[12:15] <superm1> yea
[12:15] <foxbuntu> oh
[12:15] <tgm4883> would it be wrong to take a shotgun to my computer?
[12:16] <Daviey> So we will port UMC's lirc stuff, when they finally do it?
[12:16] <superm1> well their stuff is being worked on upstream
[12:16] <Daviey> by upstream lirc?
[12:16] <superm1> yea
[12:16] <superm1> well they are working with upstream
[12:16] <superm1> standardized namespace
[12:16] <superm1> etc
[12:17] <Daviey> Can we join the effort?
[12:17] <superm1> well i'm friendly with Arnaud and updated him on things, and handled the ubuntu side of the spec
[12:17] <superm1> to benefit both teams
[12:17] <superm1> but they would love any more help
[12:18] <tgm4883> whats the ubuntu keyserver?
[12:18] <Daviey> Where is it being tracked?
[12:18] <Daviey> tgm4883: pgp key server
[12:18] <Daviey> aiui
[12:18] <superm1> they have a mailing list, and they update that spec, and talk on the lirc-list
[12:19] <tgm4883> i swear that my computer has really advanced AI that anything I try to do it makes sure that I can't get it done
[12:20] <foxbuntu> superm1, it would appear they are tacking what we already have done
[12:20] <foxbuntu> I mean they are doing the same thing
[12:20] <superm1> not exactly
[12:21] <superm1> they are standardizing the namespace, so that what was done isn't necessary
[12:21] <superm1> with regexp matching
[12:21] <foxbuntu> well they are going to make a GUI for remote config based on irexec
[12:21] <foxbuntu> and that
[12:21] <foxbuntu> which will be nice when complete
[12:22] <foxbuntu> hmm
[12:22] <foxbuntu> I think I came up with one better and more specific to our project
[12:23] <superm1> well i cant write anything more intensive this release, i'm not going to have the time to do so
[12:23] <superm1> fixing the existing bugs will be enough
[12:23] <superm1> especially some of these harder to nail ones
[12:23] <foxbuntu> superm1, you slacker
[12:23] <superm1> so if you want to start to write something, have at it
[12:24] <foxbuntu> ok...I'll see what I can hack together
[12:26] <Daviey> Arggg!!!! Trying to throttle my mirror - and it's not playing nice
[12:26] <Daviey> either no throttling at all or 10-20Kb/s
[12:27] <tgm4883> what are you trying to throttle it to?
[12:28] <Daviey> 2000kbps
[12:28] <tgm4883> if i wanted to build outside of pbuilder, would it be dpkg --build package.dsc?
[12:29] <tgm4883> Daviey, would that be 200000 then? (roughly speaking)
[12:29] <Daviey> tgm4883: I'm also trying to do it without restarting apache, as there are people connected
[12:29] <tgm4883> ah
[12:29] <Daviey> 'reload' seems to have an effect tho
[12:30] <Daviey> I've temp stopped the redirect script sending me new requests, so i need to wait for these leechers to finish before i can restart
[12:31] <tgm4883> Daviey, how much do you know about packaging?
[12:31] <Daviey> I need to limit this to 2.0Mbits/s
[12:31] <Daviey> tgm4883: lot less than superm1
[12:31] <tgm4883> hmmm
[12:31] <Daviey> tgm4883: you bug us all alot
[12:31] <Daviey> :P
[12:31] <tgm4883> I know
[12:31] <tgm4883> I do what I can
[12:32] <Daviey> :)
[12:32] <superm1> what you need?
[12:32] <superm1> tgm4883, ?
[12:32] <Daviey> tgm4883: btw.. we have a  new mirror online
[12:32] <tgm4883> I'm having some issues building a package that requires a hook
[12:32] <tgm4883> or at least I thought
[12:32] <superm1> what does it need a hook for?
[12:32] <superm1> does it depend on a different package in your pbuilder results directory?
[12:33] <tgm4883> I still can't even build it now that the package is in a repo that it needs
[12:33] <tgm4883> it's for AWN, I built the main AWN package, but now trying to build the core applets which depend on the AWN package
[12:33] <tgm4883> and I can't get the core applets to build
[12:33] <superm1> pastebin a build log
[12:34] <superm1> and i'll glance over it
[12:34] <tgm4883> sec
[12:34] <tgm4883> !pastebin
[12:34] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:35] <tgm4883> here it is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36504/ but I think I know why it wont build
[12:35] <tgm4883> the packages can't be authenticated
[12:36] <superm1> you have a hook in place right now?
[12:36] <tgm4883> i believe so
[12:36] <superm1> edit the hook and add the --force-yes
[12:37] <tgm4883> sec
[12:39] <tgm4883> I think im missing something
[12:40] <tgm4883> this is what I followed to make the hook
[12:40] <tgm4883> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto#head-5e51532fca6153405af36a03364e03803e99edcf
[12:41] <tgm4883> and this is my .pbuilderrc http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36507/
[12:41] <superm1> this page is very nie
[12:41] <superm1> i wish i had found stuff like this
[12:42] <superm1> my hooks and pbuilder setup are so hackish right now
[12:42] <tgm4883> well either im missing something from it or it doesn't work
[12:42] <tgm4883> probably im missing something
[12:43] <superm1> well its the gdebi building that requires the --force-yes
[12:43] <tgm4883> so stick --force-yes there, sec
[12:43] <superm1> there is a part on that page that explains how to use unauthenticated packages
[12:43] <superm1> though
[12:44] <superm1> cp -ar /etc/apt/* /etc/pbuilder/apt.config/
[12:44] <superm1>     echo "APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated 1;" >> /etc/pbuilder/apt.config/apt.conf.d/allow-unauthenticated
[12:44] <superm1> that will probably also fix it
[12:46] <tgm4883> ok, i just did that
[12:46] <tgm4883> now can I just update my pbuilder or do I have to rebuild it?
[12:46] <superm1> beats me
[12:46] <tgm4883> i'll try an update
[12:47] <superm1> i wonder if i should redo all my pbuilders
[12:47] <superm1> i really like this setup
[12:47] <superm1> especially that hook that runs a shell when build fails
[12:47] <tgm4883> hmm
[12:51] <superm1> okay i got class, gotta run
[12:51] <tgm4883> later
[01:09] <alpaca> hey all
[01:13] <alpaca> question regarding upgrading my mythbuntu install
[01:14] <alpaca> do i need to overwrite /etc/lirc/hardware.conf
[01:17] <alpaca> http://pastebin.ca/683079
[01:18] <alpaca> anyone with an idea?


[01:04] <slimjimflim> help!! jackd broke my sound!!
[01:05] <slimjimflim> i can't open qjackctl now because of it
[01:05] <slimjimflim> i actually didn't install ubuntu-studio, but i'm hoping someone in here knows what they're talking about
[01:05] <slimjimflim> as opposed to #ubuntu
[02:40] <ScottL> slimjimflim, what did you install that broke your sound?
[03:14] <slimjimflim> ScottL: jackd
[03:25] <ScottL> slimjimflim, you installed jackd?
[03:25] <ScottL> and you could open qjackctl before?
[03:26] <slimjimflim> yes
[03:26] <slimjimflim> i've narrowd it down to this:
[03:26] <slimjimflim> Be aware though automatically starting JACK can cause the daemon (jackd) and/or the GUI (qjackctl) to crash/freeze if device settings change between two sessions (for example, a USB soundcard can get different device numbers across sessions). If so, set the appropriate entry (autolaunch) to 0 in the ~/.jackdrc file, qjackctl should work again.
[03:27] <slimjimflim> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToJACKConfiguration
[03:30] <ScottL> if you were opening (and presumably using) qjackctl then i would be surprised if you didn't have jackd already installed before
[03:30] <ScottL> but nonetheless, if you try to open qjackctl from the menu what happens?
[03:31] <slimjimflim> i've been opening it from cli
[03:31] <slimjimflim> $ qjackctlBus error
[03:31] <slimjimflim> Suspending PulseAudio
[03:31] <slimjimflim> Bus error
[03:31] <slimjimflim> idk what menu you're talking about
[03:32] <slimjimflim> the window doesn't open of course
[03:32] <ScottL> do you have menus at the top of your screen: Applications, Places, System ?
[03:32] <slimjimflim> yes
[03:32] <slimjimflim> xubuntu
[03:32] <slimjimflim> 10.04
[03:32] <ScottL> under Applications can you find Sound&Video ?
[03:33] <slimjimflim> no
[03:33] <slimjimflim> there's no applications
[03:33] <slimjimflim> i have jack control under multimedia
[03:33] <slimjimflim> it doesn't open anything
[03:34] <ScottL> hmmm
[03:34] <ScottL> what command were you using before to start jack from the cli?
[03:34] <slimjimflim> qjackctl
[03:35] <slimjimflim> same as above
[03:36] <slimjimflim> the jackd man page is no help either
[03:36] <slimjimflim> afaik
[03:36] <ScottL> i'm not sure i have an answer but i have some information that might be helpful to someone else to help you
[03:36] <slimjimflim> shhot
[03:36] <slimjimflim> shoot
[03:37] <ScottL> and i'll explain a bit so you really understand (and sorry if I treat you as if you were daft) but I do want you to understand
[03:37] <slimjimflim> it's ok i'm daft
[03:37] <ScottL> ubuntu uses pulse audio for normal audio routing, regular desktop stop
[03:37] <ScottL> stuff     not stop
[03:37] <slimjimflim> right
[03:38] <ScottL> jack is intended for low latency audio, recording and such
[03:38] <slimjimflim> right
[03:38] <ScottL> intrinsically and historically they haven't been designed to work together
[03:39] <ScottL> back in ubuntu hardy, the ubuntu studio devs set up qjackctl to help this
[03:39] <slimjimflim> ok
[03:39] <ScottL> when you call up 'qjackctl' it should actually start a wrapper script instead of the qjackctl.bin
[03:40] <ScottL> the script runs 'pasuspender' (which suspends pulse audio) and then calls the actuall qjackctl.bin
[03:40] <slimjimflim> is there anyway to disassociate jack and pulse?
[03:40] <ScottL> qjackctl.bin = qjackctl binary file (the real applicaiton)
[03:41] <slimjimflim> hmmm that might be useful info
[03:41] <slimjimflim> you mean pauspender?
[03:41] <ScottL> disassociate jack and pulse?  not terribly easily
[03:42] <ScottL> but that is for a gnome desktop
[03:42] <ScottL> i'm not sure about an xfce desktop
[03:42] <slimjimflim> don't worry about that
[03:42] <slimjimflim> i can run anything gnome can
[03:43] <ScottL> well, it's not about running applications, rather it's that the gnome project has dictated that pulse audio is THE sound system for gnome desktops
[03:43] <slimjimflim> as it is for my xfce
[03:43] <ScottL> that's one of the fundamental reasons that ubuntu uses pulse audio
[03:44] <ScottL> since kde uses phonon for sound, pulse isn't really a problem for them :)
[03:44] <slimjimflim> yea, xfce uses pulse just like gnome
[03:44] <ScottL> kxstudio is a respin of ubuntu studio that uses kde and is based purely on jack
[03:44] <ScottL> cutting edge stuff, that
[03:44] <slimjimflim> i'm mortally afraid of jack now
[03:44] <slimjimflim> i want nothing to do with it
[03:45] <ScottL> you might also try the ubuntu forums under ubuntu studio for answers also, there are some really knowledgeable people there
[03:45] <slimjimflim> k
[03:45] <ScottL> particurlaly mulan (or something like that, perhaps mulin) and autostatic
[03:45] <ScottL> google search is also your friend (even if they steal your wifi)
[03:45] <slimjimflim> lol
[03:45] <slimjimflim> steal my wifi?
[03:45] <ScottL> even if they steal your wifi = bad joke
[03:46] <slimjimflim> how do they do that?
[03:46] <ScottL> use google to search google + wifi and you will see the news about it
[03:46] <ScottL> but i would start with the forums and i seem to remember bus errors before
[03:47] <slimjimflim> k, thanks
[03:47] <slimjimflim> you're about the only person who had a clue i've talked to about this yet
[03:47] <slimjimflim> in the last ~6 hrs
[03:48] <slimjimflim> i think pasuspender might just be my ticket
[03:48] <ScottL> well, there are some truly brilliant people around, but usually they are rather busy doing other stuff and sometimes hard to catch
[03:49] <ScottL> you might also check at #opensourcemusicians, some really experienced people there also
[03:49] <slimjimflim> oh i forgot about that one
[03:49] <ScottL> especially holstein (who frequents here pretty regularly helping peole)
[03:49] <slimjimflim> oh i'm good friends w/ him
[03:49] <ScottL> metric tonnes of helpful knowledge there
[03:49] <slimjimflim> btw, check out #music-theory some time
[03:49] <slimjimflim> that's my channel
[03:50] <slimjimflim> holstein and i are always in there teaching theory
[03:50] <ScottL> yeah, that makes sense, i've seen him talking about it :)
[03:50] <slimjimflim> jazz ftw
[03:50] <ScottL> i keep seeing people typing 'ftw' but i don't think others think what i think it means, what do you think it means?
[03:51] <slimjimflim> for the win?
[03:51] <slimjimflim> what do you think it means?
[03:51] <ScottL> ahhh,  fek the world
[03:51] <slimjimflim> lol
[03:51] <slimjimflim> no
[03:51] <ScottL> but fek is not really the right word :)
[03:52] <slimjimflim> what, not allowed to cuss in here?
[03:52] <ScottL> i prefer not to even if it is allowed
[03:52] <slimjimflim> fekin censorship
[03:52] <ScottL> lol
[03:52] <slimjimflim> my channel is completely uncensored
[03:52] <ScottL> but your definition certainly fits the context better when i have seen it used
[03:52] <slimjimflim> yes
[03:53] <ScottL> oh, i believe this channel is uncensored but again, i choose not to
[03:53] <slimjimflim> k
[03:54] <ScottL> oh, do you have dbus installed ?   this may be the reason for your problem
[03:54] <slimjimflim> no
[03:54]  * slimjimflim installs
[03:55] <slimjimflim> oh
[03:56] <slimjimflim> i have qdbuss
[03:58] <ScottL> just a minute, looking something up
[03:58] <ScottL> you should look for this file:  /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf
[03:59] <ScottL> make sure it has the following lines (or something similar):
[03:59] <ScottL> @audio - rtprio 99
[03:59] <ScottL> @audio - memlock unlimited
[03:59] <slimjimflim> ya i did that already
[04:00] <ScottL> is this in the audio.conf file or the limits.conf file?
[04:01] <slimjimflim> audio.conf
[04:01] <ScottL> and you probably should log out afterwards to make sure it takes effect
[04:01] <slimjimflim> i did
[04:01] <ScottL> hmmm, i'm running out of suggestions then
[04:01] <slimjimflim> it's all good
[04:01] <ScottL> although i did find a bug that says it's something to do with how pulse audio handles memory (but only effects select people)
[04:02] <ScottL> you are using a USB audio card right?
[04:02] <slimjimflim> i'm gonna play with pasuspender
[04:02] <slimjimflim> no
[04:02] <ScottL> on board audio or is it a pci card?
[04:02] <slimjimflim> onboard
[04:03] <ScottL> which version of qjackctl were you using ?    if you know
[04:03] <ScottL> i have two more suggestions for you:
[04:04] <ScottL> 1) reinstall jackd and qjackctl, sometimes this fixes some problems
[04:04] <slimjimflim> it won't tell me
[04:04] <slimjimflim> gives me that same error
[04:04] <slimjimflim> 0.x
[04:04] <ScottL> you could use synaptic to see the version number
[04:04] <slimjimflim> oh right
[04:04] <ScottL> 2) upgrade qjackctl via someones ppa
[04:05] <slimjimflim> ppa?
[04:05] <ScottL> i have the qjackctl (0.3.6 i think) built in my ppa :  https://launchpad.net/~slavender/+archive/lucid
[04:05] <ScottL> ppa = personal packaging archives
[04:05] <ScottL> mini, personal archives (like the ubuntu ones) but you have to add them to your sources.list file to use them
[04:06] <slimjimflim> oic
[04:06] <ScottL> BUT, but very, very careful about which ones you use, you never know what what kind of crap they might have and it might bork your system
[04:06] <slimjimflim> 0.3.4
[04:06] <slimjimflim> yea
[04:06] <ScottL> right, i would suggest reinstallation at the least
[04:07] <slimjimflim> i don't think that necessarily reinstalled when i reinstalled jack
[04:07] <slimjimflim> not sure
[04:07] <slimjimflim> no dice
[04:07] <ScottL> then perhaps upgrading to 0.3.6 because it has "full dbussification" : see http://www.rncbc.org/drupal/node/192?page=1
[04:08] <ScottL> the quotes are taken from that link and it's their silly word :P
[04:08] <slimjimflim> heh
[04:08] <slimjimflim> should i just install from source?
[04:09] <ScottL> you certainly can if you feel apt at packaging (heh, sorry for the pun)
[04:09] <ScottL> some prefer to do that
[04:09] <ScottL> others don't bother and use ppa's
[04:09] <ScottL> i would suggest either mine at the moment
[04:09] <ScottL> i would suggest someone's named falktx but i think he built his against jack2
[04:10] <ScottL> which is not available in the official archives yet
[04:10] <ScottL> it might be in the development one for maverick, but even then not sure
[04:10] <slimjimflim> can you link me to the repo?
[04:11] <ScottL> well, i guess packaging is not the right word, but if you are comfortable building from source then certainly
[04:11] <ScottL> https://launchpad.net/~slavender/+archive/lucid
[04:11] <slimjimflim> i'd rather use a package
[04:12] <ScottL> there is a section named 'Adding this PPA to your system' that will be helpful enabling the ppa
[04:12] <ScottL> on that page
[04:12] <slimjimflim> so just add ppa:slavender/lucid ?
[04:12] <ScottL> only when you are using synaptic or software sources from the menu
[04:12] <ScottL> don't add the directly to your sources.list ;)
[04:13] <slimjimflim> ok brb, gonna reboot
[04:13] <ScottL> okay
[04:18] <slimjimflim> ScottL: it works
[04:19] <ScottL> yay!
[04:19] <slimjimflim> ty
[04:19] <ScottL> i'm very glad to help
[04:19] <slimjimflim> now that i think about it, nothing you said probably affected it's working
[04:19] <ScottL> by the way, if you upgraded to 0.3.6 this will fix two bugs
[04:19] <slimjimflim> lol
[04:19] <slimjimflim> i'm dumb
[04:19] <ScottL> oh, lol
[04:19] <slimjimflim> i should have rebooted like 2 hours ago
[04:19] <slimjimflim> but now i'm a jack expert
[04:19] <slimjimflim> lol
[04:19] <slimjimflim> almost
[04:20] <ScottL> hah!  that happens ;)
[04:20] <ScottL> did you reinstall?  upgrade?
[04:20] <slimjimflim> no
[04:20] <slimjimflim> well i reinstalled
[04:20] <slimjimflim> but i think it did that before when i reinstalled jack
[04:20] <slimjimflim> whew
[04:21] <ScottL> then i will tell you about one particular bug in qjackctl-0.3.4 that you may notice (most do)
[04:21] <slimjimflim> resolved
[04:21] <slimjimflim> that frekin sucked though
[04:21] <slimjimflim> heeyyyy and jack works now too
[04:21] <slimjimflim> sweet
[04:21] <ScottL> if you are using ardour and create a track and then rename the track you will not be able to use qjackctl to connect to the renamed track
[04:21] <slimjimflim> now i can run ardour!!
[04:22] <ScottL> for qjackctl-0.3.4 it does not handle renamed ports
[04:22] <slimjimflim> hmm lemme try
[04:25] <slimjimflim> how do you name/rename a track?
[04:25] <ScottL> left click on the name in ardour i believe and it will highlight
[04:25] <ScottL> just type then
[04:25] <ScottL> you may not be able to rename the master track however
[04:26] <ScottL> you can always right click below the master track to create a new one (it will be named 'audio1')
[04:26] <slimjimflim> i renamed it
[04:26] <slimjimflim> is the bug that it doesn't play?
[04:26] <slimjimflim> i didn't connect the mic yet
[04:27] <ScottL> the bug is if you try to connect to the renamed track in qjackctl
[04:27] <ScottL> qjackctl probably will not connect to it
[04:27] <slimjimflim> isn't it already conencted?
[04:28] <ScottL> look at the 'connection' windows (click the connection button on qjackctl) and under +Ardour you probably will not see the renamed port, rather you probably will see the original track name
[04:28] <ScottL> window, not windows
[04:29] <ScottL> it is possibly connected already if you had Ardour to automatically connect new tracks
[04:29] <slimjimflim> oh yea it's not there
[04:29] <ScottL> right
[04:29] <ScottL> several ways around this bug:
[04:29] <slimjimflim> i renamed master aaa
[04:29] <slimjimflim> now i have master/out 1 and master/out 2
[04:30] <slimjimflim> had it before i guess too
[04:30] <ScottL> 1) save ardour project, close qjackctl, restart qjackctl and then reload the project...all renamed tracks will be recognized
[04:30] <ScottL> at least until they are renamed again
[04:30] <ScottL> 2) use patchage to make connections
[04:30] <ScottL> 3) upgrade qjackctl to 0.3.6
[04:30] <slimjimflim> meh
[04:31] <slimjimflim> this isn't gonna affect me i don't think
[04:31] <slimjimflim> but i'll keep it in the back of my mind
[04:31] <slimjimflim> i've had about enough jack hacking for one day
[04:31] <ScottL> i used patchage for a while until i could research the problem and figure out that the newer version of qjackctl would fix it :)
[04:31] <ScottL> i understand ;)
[04:31] <slimjimflim> i'm gonna go watch a movie or something
[04:31] <slimjimflim> oh
[04:32] <slimjimflim> i was gonna ask you
[04:32] <slimjimflim> do you play an instrument?
[04:32] <ScottL> if you need more help ping me directly, especially if you want to move forward on fixing this bug
[04:32] <ScottL> yes, i do
[04:32] <slimjimflim> what?
[04:32] <ScottL> guitar, bass, crappy drums
[04:32] <slimjimflim> heh cool
[04:32] <slimjimflim> you should definitely idle in #music-theory
[04:32] <slimjimflim> i can help you w/ that stuff
[04:33] <slimjimflim> i play guitar, drums, bass, keys
[04:33] <ScottL> http://wirblewind.rpmchallenge.com/   the latest i did (in february) all made with ubuntu studio
[04:33] <slimjimflim> i gig out...been in a bunch of bands
[04:33] <slimjimflim> now i do jazz
[04:33] <ScottL> yeah, i might start idling there to pick up some stuff :)
[04:33] <slimjimflim> cool
[04:34] <ScottL> oi, time to put the kids down for the night, good night and i wish you well
[04:34] <slimjimflim> you can hear me at http://ben-hopps.com
[04:34] <ScottL> if you have other problems let us know and well see if we can straighten things out
[04:34] <slimjimflim> k later
[04:34] <ScottL> i'll check that out tomorrow morning
[04:34] <slimjimflim> thanks 1,000,000
[04:34] <ScottL> you are more than welcome, i'm just glad it was resolved
[04:36] <holstein> hehe
[04:36] <holstein> FEK THE WORLD
[04:37] <slimjimflim> hey holstein
[04:37] <holstein> hello
[04:37] <slimjimflim> i was just gonna go looking for you
[04:37] <holstein> SO you got jack auto-starting?
[04:37] <holstein> at login?
[04:37] <slimjimflim> how much do you think an average bar makes in a night
[04:37] <slimjimflim> yes, 10 hours later
[04:37] <holstein> slimjimflim: DUDE
[04:37] <holstein> dont stat doing that
[04:37] <holstein> you'll quit
[04:38] <holstein> ;)
[04:38] <slimjimflim> doing what?
[04:38] <holstein> you get a small percentage
[04:38] <holstein> i guarantee
[04:38] <slimjimflim> yea
[04:38] <holstein> i counted heads a couple shows
[04:38] <holstein> i was playing for the door
[04:38] <slimjimflim> and they'll probably lie about how much they make
[04:38] <holstein> and we got some of the money the door guy was stealing
[04:38] <holstein> BUT
[04:39] <holstein> i just dont even go there anymore
[04:39] <holstein> yup
[04:39] <slimjimflim> i just got an offer in an email to do a gig like that
[04:39] <holstein> a bar owner is not going to be home doing the books
[04:39] <holstein> and say...
[04:39] <slimjimflim> lol
[04:39] <holstein> hey, those musicians could use some of this
[04:39] <slimjimflim> i know i know
[04:39] <slimjimflim> rofl
[04:39] <slimjimflim> yea, i'm gonna email him back a price
[04:40] <holstein> i just try to get a strong guarantee up front
[04:40] <holstein> otherwise
[04:40] <slimjimflim> we're probably getting off topic
[04:40] <holstein> OH yeah
[04:40] <tucemiux> not really
[04:40] <holstein> anyhow
[04:40] <slimjimflim> k cool
[04:40] <tucemiux> nobody mines
[04:40] <holstein> i had a hard time with JACK starting at login
[04:40] <slimjimflim> yay for non-censorship
[04:40] <holstein> hey tucemiux :)
[04:40] <tucemiux> plus jussi's getting married so not like he has time to actually come and see whats going on over here
[04:40] <slimjimflim> jack is a bitch
[04:41] <holstein> can be
[04:41] <tucemiux> holstein, what up, how youre doing
[04:41] <slimjimflim> i know i've had issues w/ it before
[04:41] <holstein> i was looking at falktx's release
[04:41] <holstein> kxstudio
[04:41] <holstein> and i never got it to 'jive' with my firepod
[04:41] <tucemiux> slimjimflim, you need to install the real time kernel, i just reinstalled using an ISO, installed the real time kernel and all's well so far
[04:41] <holstein> tucemiux: cool
[04:41] <slimjimflim> i don't need to do nothin
[04:41] <slimjimflim> it's working
[04:42] <slimjimflim> nu-thin
[04:42] <holstein> yeah
[04:42] <holstein> if you dont need the RT kernel
[04:42] <holstein> i wouldnt mess with it
[04:42] <tucemiux> whatever's clever matey
[04:42] <holstein> i really like it though
[04:42] <slimjimflim> what's so great about it?
[04:42] <holstein> the RT kernel?
[04:42] <holstein> i just get lower latency
[04:42] <holstein> its handy with the softsynths
[04:43] <slimjimflim> i don't need lower latency
[04:43] <slimjimflim> i don't use synths
[04:43] <holstein> the sound happens when the key is pressed
[04:43] <holstein> instead of later
[04:43] <tucemiux> holstein, this is really weird, have you installed lucid using an ISO?  I had to install the ubuntu software center manually
[04:43] <slimjimflim> w/e
[04:43] <holstein> tucemiux: i dont think ubuntustudio come with it
[04:43] <holstein> the software center
[04:43] <holstein> id have to look
[04:44] <holstein> slimjimflim: also, using rakarrack or some other live effects
[04:44] <holstein> realtime
[04:44] <tucemiux> holstein, the weird thing is i upgraded from karmic to lucid and my "add/remove" applet disappeared and was replaced by that software applet
[04:44] <holstein> the RT kernel makes that happen
[04:45] <holstein> when i installed lucid from the live CD
[04:45] <tucemiux> he doesnt need the real time kernel so it's all good, he's a happy camper and whatever he has suits his needs, he should be fine
[04:45] <holstein> i got the software ecnter
[04:45] <holstein> center*
[04:45] <holstein> and i did the netbook remix the other day
[04:45] <holstein> and it had it
[04:45] <tucemiux> so continue your story, you were both saying something about a door
[04:46] <holstein> OH a cover
[04:46] <holstein> door vs flat fee
[04:46] <tucemiux> yeah ubuntustudio replaced the "add/remove" with the software center in lucid
[04:46] <tucemiux> i can foresee a lot of pumping action in the posterior if you choose option one
[04:47] <holstein> i think the clubs tend to slack off too
[04:47] <holstein> if they are giving you a percentage
[04:47] <holstein> they got no invested interest in the show going well
[04:48] <holstein> say, your a big act
[04:48] <holstein> and you charge a couple grand
[04:48] <holstein> if the club has to come up with that money
[04:49] <holstein> they'll usually do something
[04:49] <holstein> avertising
[04:49] <holstein> whatever
[04:49] <holstein> to protect the return on there investment
[04:50] <tucemiux> even if they make all the money, i seriously doubt youll get your cut, theyll come up with an excuse not to
[04:51] <holstein> but thats a breach of contract
[04:51] <holstein> at least you have a little bit of power
[04:51] <tucemiux> ahhh so you actually have a contract?
[04:51] <holstein> well, technically
[04:52] <holstein> you always have a verbal contract
[04:52] <tucemiux> LoL
[04:52] <holstein> but, sometimes i do paper contracts
[04:52] <holstein> if its a private party
[04:52] <holstein> but the clubs usually wont sign anything
[04:52] <holstein> contract-wise
[04:53] <holstein> i did recently say the term 'verbal contract' to a club owner
[04:53] <holstein> and he knew i was right
[04:53] <holstein> he was talking about changing the time and the money around
[04:53] <holstein> right before we wer about to go on
[04:54] <holstein> and the band leader wasnt saying anything
[04:54] <holstein> when i said 'verbal contract'
[04:54] <holstein> he went back inside
[04:54] <holstein> and we did what we were contracted to do
[04:55] <tucemiux> its kind of hard to enforce a verbal contract though
[04:55] <holstein> its hard to enforce a written one too though
[04:55] <holstein> it costs money
[04:56] <holstein> BUT its good to have something in writing
[04:56] <tucemiux> true but then you have evidence
[04:56] <tucemiux> so you had witnesses to your verbal contract then
[04:56] <holstein> sure
[04:57] <holstein> we all were 'there'
[04:57] <holstein> the band
[04:57] <tucemiux> can we continue your story in osm chat room? this is getting way off topic
[04:57] <holstein> and some of his employees were envolved too
[04:57] <holstein> tucemiux: YEAH
[04:57] <holstein> or #music-theory
[04:58] <holstein> i like to see people in this channel though :)
[10:17] <Kentrel> Anyone find that timidity just takes up half your CPU when its running in the background?
[10:17] <Kentrel> Everytime I notice my CPU at close to 100% I bet its timidity and i'm nearly always right
[11:21] <bluenode_alpha> hi, have someone seen this message during ubuntu 10.04 installation?
[11:22] <bluenode_alpha> the installer has encountered an unrecoverable error. A desktop session will now be run
[14:15] <vlt> Hello. Can I install ubuntustudio via debootstrap?


[11:37] <Scary_Guy> morning
[12:12] <cmaloney> Good morning
[12:12] <cmaloney> How's the day?
[12:22] <Scary_Guy> pretty amazing.  threw my Valentine's party at City Club Saturday and despite the lack of heat, money, and the presence of stress it went okay
[12:23] <Scary_Guy> then yesterday I checked out a church that a friend is buying and we're going to turn that into a concert venue/club
[12:23] <Scary_Guy> with heat!
[12:53] <cmaloney> Nice!
[13:09] <jrwren> whoa! buying an old church to open a club! that is cool. Where at?
[18:44] <cmaloney> "We are looking for a senior python developer and i see that you have worked with it. I am attaching a brief job description."
[18:45] <cmaloney> Yay, I have worked with senior python
[18:45] <cmaloney> Wonder if I can get a senior discount
[18:50] <rick_h> hah, is that how it works?
[19:55] <waldo323_> at first I read it as Señor python...I was wrong
[20:01] <cmaloney> si


[15:47] <mup> Bug #1939901 opened: MAAS NTP config on region/rack controllers seems to be including MAAS peers even when "Use external NTP servers only" is checked <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1939901>
[16:17] <mup> Bug #1939902 opened: Provisioning server lost connection during comissioning <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1939902>
[16:26] <mup> Bug #1939902 changed: Provisioning server lost connection during comissioning <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1939902>
[16:32] <mup> Bug #1939902 opened: Provisioning server lost connection during comissioning <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1939902>


[12:23] <frankban> hey benji: welcome back! if you are really here, and if you have time, could you please review a quick branch required to fix the quickstart release? https://codereview.appspot.com/54560043
[12:24] <benji> frankban: sure, I'll look at it right now
[12:24] <frankban> benji: thanks
[12:28] <frankban> benji: Gary just did it now
[12:28] <benji> heh, ok
[15:20] <frankban> benji: could you please review this very simple branch? https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/78 (I am just trying git)
[15:20] <benji> frankban: sure
[15:21] <frankban> thanks
[15:21] <benji> frankban: +1'd
[15:22] <frankban> benji: thanks, what am I supposed to do now? add a :shipit: comment?
[15:23] <benji> frankban: yep
[15:23] <frankban> benji: so, the procedure is: 1) make a pull request, 2) wait for jenkins 3) ask for a review and 4) :shipit:, correct?
[15:25] <bac> frankban: that is my understanding
[15:25] <benji> frankban: yep, with the exception of "wait"; I've never bothered to wait nor heard that that is what we want
[15:25] <frankban> benji: ack, cool
[15:27] <frankban> benji: and my understanding is that when you review a branch ":+1:" is the new LGTM
[15:27] <benji> frankban: yep
[15:29] <frankban> ok, sorry we did not choose :smile_cat:
[15:44] <rick_h_> benji: frankban the wait is in the instructions in the HACKING doc. The idea to wait is so that you don't end up taking up the 20min time for a landing attempt only to hit a known test failure, lint failure, etc. Especially since both the pull request check and the landing will test saucelabs with IE and the like
[15:44] <benji> rick_h_: is the wait before review or parallel with it?
[15:44] <frankban> rick_h_: but you don't have to wait before asking for reviews, right?
[15:45] <rick_h_> for small changes/doc changes/ meh
[15:45] <rick_h_> benji: parallel
[15:45] <rick_h_> benji: frankban oh yea not at all a wait for review
[15:45] <rick_h_> just a wait until hitting :shipit:
[15:45] <frankban> rick_h_: ack
[15:45] <benji> sounds good
[15:58] <bac> frankban, benji: we having a call today?
[16:01]  * benji needs a reboot... aparently.
[16:02] <bac> frankban: meeting if you have anything to say.  T+2
[16:02] <bac> were we a space shuttle we'd be nearing first stage separation
[16:02] <bac> or SRB detachment
[16:02] <bac> or something
[16:02] <frankban> bac: we can skip it for today, I sent an email for everything I did earlier
[16:03] <frankban> bac: re: quickstart 1.0
[16:03] <bac> frankban: ok
[16:03] <bac> well benji is joining...if he gets sound working
[16:03] <frankban> bac: ok joining
[16:03] <bac> frankban: no, no pressure!  :)
[16:03] <bac> congrats on quickstart 1.0 though!
[17:45] <bac> ah, i love it when an upgrade fails with an unhelpful error and leaves the computer in an unknown state
[17:57] <benji> jujugui: does anyone know if the order of relations in a deployer file are meant to be taken as ordered?  Bug 1263120 boils down to the charmworld proof mechanism enforcing (requires, provides) ordering so specifying a relation as (provides, requires) is flagged as incompatible.
[17:57] <_mup_> Bug #1263120: self related services in a bundle fail proof <charmworld:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1263120>
[17:58] <hazmat> benji, yes they are ordered
[17:58] <benji> hazmat: great!  thanks
[17:58] <hazmat> benji, there's an older syntax that's also supported that does relations as dict entries with weight ordering.
[17:59] <hazmat> fwiw
[17:59] <benji> ok (this was specifically for the '- ["foo:bar", "baz:bar"]' style)
[20:50] <benji> I have a charmworld branch up for review: https://codereview.appspot.com/54560044
[21:00] <jcsackett> benji, bac (and other charmworld folks): i am seeing on staging that queueing is not completing because a query is too large to complete a sort without an index. https://pastebin.canonical.com/103258/
[21:00]  * benji looks at paste.
[21:01] <bac> jcsackett: looking too
[21:01] <jcsackett> i believe an index on branch_spec can solve this. any objections to my building one on staging? it will likely affect staging performance for a bit.
[21:01] <jcsackett> abentley: if you're around, can you take a look at traceback and weigh in as well? as i recall you did quite a bit with mongo stuff on charmworld ^
[21:02] <abentley> jcsackett: sure.
[21:02] <jcsackett> the other solution i can think of is restructuring db_charms so that it doesn't sort in the query, but creates a list and sorts that...it may be a *lot* to keep in memory in the python process though.
[21:02] <benji> +1 on trying it on staging
[21:03] <abentley> jcsackett: Not something I've seen before.
[21:03] <jcsackett> abentley: dig, thanks.
[21:04] <jcsackett> hm. actually, i just realized that traceback is in a different part of the application...however it reliably occurs on queueing, so that's a reasonable test case.
[21:09] <abentley> jcsackett: Why do you think branch_spec is the key?  I would have thought the charm.revision, since that's what it's sorting by.
[21:09] <abentley> sorry, store_data.revision.
[21:09] <abentley> and, I guess, owner, series, name.
[21:10] <jcsackett> abentley: i grabbed a different traceback from the log to paste than the one i was initially looking at (i had closed the terminal, then realized an example might make more sense for people). the traceback i saw, on queueing, is sorting on branch_spec
[21:11] <jcsackett> it is *very* possible, looking at this one as well, that we need more than one index for charms.
[21:11] <abentley> jcsackett: Ah.
[21:12] <abentley> jcsackett: Yes, but also find_charms(all_revisions=False) was only meant to be a band-aid.  Things that want the unversioned charm should hit elasticsearch.
[21:13] <jcsackett> abentley: yes. that is the thing triggering the bad here. let me see if i can grab the queue traceback.
[21:16] <jcsackett> abentley: actual issue i was investigating https://pastebin.canonical.com/103261/
[21:16] <jcsackett> same exception, very different traceback.
[21:18] <abentley> jcsackett: Gotcha.
[21:18] <jcsackett> so what we've learned is we're having myriad sorting issues. :-P
[21:19] <abentley> jcsackett: Not sure whether it's strictly necessary for the lp version to be sorted by branch_spec.
[21:20] <abentley> jcsackett: I think it's two reflections of the same issue: the charms collection has gotten big enough that it needs indices now.
[21:20] <jcsackett> yeah.
[21:21] <abentley> jcsackett: Pretty sure that the sorting by branch_spec isn't relevant to usage, since all_charms shoves it into a dict anyway.
[21:21]  * jcsackett nods
[21:21] <jcsackett> yeah, so we can probably skip branch_spec and just not sort that query.
[22:00] <huwshimi> Morning


[14:36] <Guest94029> hey anybody in here..
[14:49] <kremlin_2050> hey hi anybody in there...
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