[00:02] <folkist> ##mac
[00:21] <megadevil> hello everybody
[00:22] <folkist> hey
[00:22] <megadevil>  is this irc chaneel for
[00:23] <megadevil> kubuntu & ubuntu ?
[00:23] <andy__> alo
[00:23] <folkist> i'm on ubuntu
[00:23] <folkist> so i hopr so
[00:23] <megadevil> me too
[00:23] <megadevil> lol
[00:24] <megadevil> Anyone know a applet to the gnome-panel that puts the logoff, restart and shutdown options in one place ?
[00:24] <James147> megadevil: this channel is for kubuntu support, for ubntu support see #ubuntu
[00:24] <megadevil> ok
[00:24] <megadevil> but I got the link irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
[00:24] <megadevil> and got connected here
[00:25] <James147> megadevil: hmm
[00:25] <megadevil> sorry to bother but I followed this page:
[00:26] <megadevil> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[00:26] <megadevil> well I'm already on the other chanel
[00:26] <megadevil> thank everyone
[00:44] <folkist> ##mac
[01:52] <darren> can someone help me? ubuntu 10.04 will not install so i installed kubuntu and have no idea what is what
[01:52] <darren> where is the the software center
[01:54] <darren> anyone there?
[01:54] <darren> what are some good rograms to have?
[01:56] <ridin> .
[01:56] <ridin> darren, there is no ubuntu software center in kubuntu
[01:56] <ridin> kpackagekit or whatever it's called
[01:57] <darren> ridin am i able to install any linux program on kubuntu?
[01:57] <ridin> yes
[01:57] <ridin> sudo apt-get install, .debs
[01:58] <ridin> you can try doing sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop to have ubuntu 10.04 along with kubuntu
[01:58] <ridin> but i think there's some stuff that's going to be removed
[01:59] <darren> in ubuntu there is a program for facebook prisim how can i install that in kubuntu?
[01:59] <ridin> facebook prism, hmm
[01:59] <darren> 10.04 wont install and i dont know why
[01:59] <ridin> darren, put sudo apt-get install prism-facebook in the terminal
[01:59] <ridin> konsole, rather
[02:01] <ridin> darren, there's also a kde widget for facebook
[02:02] <darren> ridin, how do i get that?
[02:03] <ridin> uh, on the top right there's a button, click on it and there's add widgets
[02:03] <darren> i have used ubuntu for almost a year but kubuntu 20  min i am quite new with this on
[02:03] <ridin> something will pop up on the toolbar, and then type in facebook
[02:03] <ridin> drag it to your desktop
[02:03] <ridin> and there it is
[02:06] <darren> on the top right where?
[02:06] <ridin> on the top right of the desktop
[02:06] <ridin> top right corner
[02:29] <ridin> KDM is asking for my password again after boot, saying the login-keyring hasn't been unlocked
[02:55] <solifugus_> How can I automate the installation of the dependencies of a .deb package I have?
[02:58] <James147> solifugus_: isent that handled when you install the .deb?
[03:03] <jschall> I'd like a 64-bit version of kubuntu netbook. Is there any way to get that?
[03:04] <jschall> The newer atom processors are amd64
[03:04] <James147> jschall: install the normal 64bit version and then install kubuntu-netbook inside it
[03:04] <jschall> James147: hmm. that'd probably work
[03:04] <James147> jschall: that will work :)
[03:05] <jschall> James147: i wish i'd thought of it before i completely configured this netbook the way i wanted it.
[03:05] <jschall> James147: i have a separate /home partition, so i suppose i can still reload
[03:06] <James147> jschall: the backup ~/ or ~/.kde and replace them in the new install
[03:06] <jschall> James147: i'll probably deal with it when maverick comes out
[03:06] <jschall> James147: which will be a little while - they'll probably just have a 64-bit netbook image by then
[03:06] <jschall> anyway, the netbook remix is amazing. i almost want to run it on my desktop.
[03:06] <James147> jschall: maverick wont have a netbook version... the images are being combined
[03:06] <jschall> James147: interesting.
[03:07] <James147> jschall: the installer will pick the interface you use, and you can configre which one after
[03:07] <jschall> James147: it'll autodetect if its on a netbook and use plasma-netbook if it's running on a netbook?
[03:09] <jschall> James147: know anything about video playback on pinetrail netbooks? jolicloud supposedly implemented some kernel patch that allowed 1080p video to be played, but dragon player has stuttering video and out-of-sync audio on a 720p video
[03:09] <jschall> James147: and then i tried vlc and it pretty much just didn't play at all
[03:10] <jschall> James147: http://jkontherun.com/2010/02/02/1080p-on-a-pinetrail-netbook-watch-and-see-says-jolicloud/
[03:10] <James147> jschall: not sure sorry :(
[03:16] <cato37> has the bug in knetworkmanger been fixed? i would like to uninstall the n-m interface and wicd.
[03:40] <JDK> Loading Swag... ████████████████ 100% Complete.
[03:43] <ridin> pinnacle of coolness
[03:52] <solifugus_> Nobody knows how to install a .deb file (and it's dependencies)?
[03:52] <ridin> solifugus_ ask in #ubuntu
[03:55] <solifugus_> ridin: so far no luck their either..
[03:56] <ridin> hold on
[03:58] <ridin> solifugus_, try doing cd <to where the .deb is> and then gdebi <.deb>
[03:59] <solifugus_> ridin: thanks.. at least it tried... i got: Dependency is not satisfiable: libcv1
[03:59] <solifugus_> Trying to install the panda3d package (which is for ubuntu)
[03:59] <ridin> what's the .deb you're downloading-
[03:59] <ridin> .
[03:59] <ridin> trying doing sudo apt-get install libcv1
[04:00] <solifugus_> It's here..  (I'll try) http://www.panda3d.org/download.php?platform=ubuntu&version=1.7.0&sdk
[04:04] <solifugus_> ridin: it wants libcv1 and kubuntu's current version is named libcv4
[04:04] <folkist> HEY U
[04:04] <folkist> I WANNA TAKE U TO A GAY BAR
[04:08] <ridin> solifugus, did you check out this? http://www.panda3d.org/download.php?platform=ubuntu&version=1.0.0&runtime
[04:08] <ridin> brb,
[04:10] <pteague> any ideas as to why k3b might not let me run a simulation?
[04:43] <RobertMnb> Has anyone had network-manager just go disable and then you can't connect via wireless / network
[04:45] <RobertMnb> had problems with network-manger?
[04:47] <cato37> yes. the network manager goes into an "unaenabled" state if the os goes into hibernation when still active.
[04:47] <cato37> i have had to put the gnome front end on the network manager.
[04:50] <cato37> my quick-fix was to install wicd. i then hunted down the wiki article that discussed putting nm on the frontend of knetwork manager and then unistalled wicd.
[04:52] <Dan_L> It happens from time to time.
[04:53] <Dan_L> I've actually been having a really weird problem where network manager just hangs in 'configuring interface'
[04:53] <cato37> you might have exit out and re-enter until the network are looking for comes up.
[04:56] <Dan_L> i tried rebooting like 10 times and it finally came back up
[05:01] <cato37> i heard that you can run in konsole killall knetworkmanager, and then run knetworkmanager, to get it back.
[05:03] <Dan_L> the killall command is safe?
[05:03] <cato37> i have only had kubuntu for about a month now. i haven't had many problems...especially compared to the last os which i had to pay for.
[05:03] <RobertMnb> Found a fix
[05:03] <RobertMnb> http://www.harshj.com/2010/06/02/network-manager-disabled/
[05:03] <cato37> i think it needs the sudo command. it will kill all off the networkmanager processes so that they can be restarted fresh.
[05:04] <cato37> keen. thanx robert.
[05:05] <cato37> Dan_L: RobertMnb's post has the answer.
[05:05] <RobertMnb> I know it had something to do with hibernation just didn't know how to fix
[05:08] <Dan_L> I thought that was the answer to your question, Cato.
[05:09] <Dan_L> My issue is a little different
[05:09] <Dan_L> or maybe it's the same?
[05:09] <Dan_L> Mine just sticks in "configuring interface" forever and a day.
[05:09] <cato37> sorry, i thought we had the same issue.
[05:10] <cato37> if i exit and re-enter, it "unsticks" the second time for me.
[05:10] <Dan_L> I appreciate it though.  If tha'ts a permanent fix for the 'disabled' issue, I could use that too.
[05:10] <Dan_L> I learn something new in Kubuntu every day!
[05:51] <cato37> when a package is offered with a name, and there is an identical one with the name plus a -dev attached, what does that mean?
[06:00] <cato37> reboot. brb
[06:04] <ner0x> Any way to get flash to play through a USB headset?
[06:06] <cato37> wow. watch out for the debian science-math package... it is a big one.
[06:08] <ner0x> Can you make kubuntu use something other than xine as your backend to music?
[06:21] <ner0x> What are my options when using sound backends for kubuntu?
[06:45] <bakingsoda> fuck u motherfuckers
[06:47] <maco> ner0x: you can install the gstreamer backend to phonon
[06:48] <ner0x> maco: That will allow firefox flash to play in my headphones?
[06:48] <maco> i dont know
[06:48] <maco> you just asked whether there was another backend
[06:49] <troopperi> ner0x: did you hear any voices at flash?
[06:50] <ner0x> troopperi: ?
[06:51] <troopperi> mean:" That will allow firefox flash to play in my headphones?" problem with voice?
[06:51] <ner0x> Well everything but flash plays fine on my headphones.
[06:52] <troopperi> you dont hear anything?
[07:27] <ner0x> troopperi: I don't hear any of the flash audio.
[07:28] <ner0x> troopperi: My headphones play everything except flash audio.
[07:28] <troopperi> ner0x: try type konsole alsamixer and find there pcm and check that is not muted
[07:29] <ner0x> Not muted.
[07:39] <troopperi> ner0x: what is level that pcm?
[07:39] <ner0x> troopperi: 100%, it has nothing to do with volume levels. flash doesn't seem to use any device except the builtin. Totally ignores any USB devices.
[07:39] <sobczyk> anyone has amarok memory leaks problem
[07:40] <sobczyk> when I run amarok it takes over 60% of totam memory (over 2GB)
[07:43] <ner0x> sobczyk: On initial start or during the entire existence of the app?
[07:44] <sobczyk> on initial more than 200MB then when I played a stream it increased in less than 15 sec
[07:46] <ner0x> Hm...
[07:46] <sobczyk> hah, I set ulimit to 1GB run amarok without playing anything and it was killed after 20 seconds
[07:46] <ner0x> Any crazy logging db or anything like that setup?
[07:47] <sobczyk> ner0x: logging? in amarok? I have only one playlist
[07:47] <sobczyk> and turned off the file indexing in kde
[07:48] <ner0x> sobczyk: Amarok logs a lot of statistics. And indexes things on startup. Doesn't seem like this is your problem though.
[08:04] <ArGGu^^> ner0x You probably need to set in ~/.asoundrc your usb sound card to default sound card to get the sound to work in flash.
[09:26] <omkar> hey guys
[09:27] <omkar> I have just installed kubuntu on my acer laptop
[09:27] <omkar> acer 5745G
[09:27] <omkar> wanted to know abt the nvidia driver
[09:27] <omkar> wanted to knw a command which will show me the display card
[09:33] <Torch> omkar: lspci | grep VGA
[09:33] <omkar> ok
[09:33] <omkar> thanks
[09:34] <omkar> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 12)
[09:34] <omkar> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GT218 [GeForce 310M] (rev a2)
[09:34] <omkar> actually they said u can switch between onboard n nvidia card
[09:34] <omkar> by a button on the laptop
[09:35] <omkar> I just read abt the Nouveau
[09:37] <omkar> in rpm supported distro's i can find exactly waht package i have installed is there the same for debian distros too
[09:37] <omkar> Like rpm -qa
[09:40] <Torch> omkar: dpkg -l for packages and dpkg -S for files.
[09:42] <omkar> ooh
[09:42] <omkar> dpkg
[09:42] <omkar> it more simple than rpm :)
[09:43] <omkar> its just cool
[10:21] <amichair> Is there a way to restart the usb subsystem (e.g. when lsusb hangs indefinitely)?
[10:32] <apparle_> can anyone please download a gpg key for me and pastebin it .. I don't have the required open ports
[10:33] <amichair> apparle_: sure, what should I do?
[10:35] <apparle_> amichair: I am also not sure how to do it but I need to get the key which is received by the command "gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv 886DDD89"
[10:38] <apparle_> anyone else who can help?
[10:38] <apparle_> or tell me how to do it
[10:41] <mistrynitesh> apparle_: try "gpg --recv-keys --keyserver keys.gnupg.net 886DDD89"
[10:41] <Torch> apparle_: http://pastebin.ca/1903523
[10:41] <amichair> apparle_: http://keys.gnupg.net/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xEE8CBC9E886DDD89
[10:42] <apparle_> amichair: hwo did you get that?
[10:42] <amichair> apparle_: open http://keys.gnupg.net/
[10:43] <apparle_> amichair: I did but when I put in 886DDD89 I get no keys found
[10:43] <apparle_> Torch: thanks
[10:43] <amichair> apparle_: and note the comment on adding an '0x' prefix for a hex-format ID
[10:43] <apparle_> what to save the file as .pgp or .gpg
[10:44] <apparle_> amichair: ohhh but now I again get port access problems... anyways thanks my problem is solved
[10:45] <amichair> apparle_: great :-)
[10:46] <apparle_> what about the extension.... .pgp or .gpg
[10:47] <mistrynitesh> apparle_: it seems you are trying to add keys of a repository, is it so?
[10:47] <amichair> apparle_: I think .asc or .txt will do
[10:47] <apparle_> mistrynitesh: yes
[10:47] <apparle_> mistrynitesh: so I was going to give that file to software sources gui
[10:48] <mistrynitesh> in that case, shouldn't you be trying 'apt-key' command
[10:49] <amichair> btw, is there a way to restart the usb subsystem (e.g. when lsusb hangs indefinitely)?
[10:50] <mistrynitesh> apparle_: when I add a repository to my sources.list file, I give the following command to add the relevant keys:
[10:51] <mistrynitesh> "sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-keys 886DDD89"
[11:29] <Misterio> This isn't very important, but just curiosity: I have Kubuntu 10.04, 2.80 Ghz, and it takes 100% CPU the update-app, anyone knows why? Does checking updates take too much CPU during 5 minutes?
[11:34] <matteogol> I'm Italian, where is server italian?
[11:34] <Misterio> !ita | matteogol :)
[11:34] <Misterio> !it
[11:34] <matteogol> thanks misterio
[11:35] <Misterio> You're welcome :)
[11:37] <amichair> is there a samba gui in lucid?
[11:48] <Ites> hi all
[11:48] <Ites> i got a problem with my internet, and i have no idea how this could be
[11:48] <Ites> let me explain
[11:48] <Ites> downstairs we got a win xp system, with internet via an ethernet cable
[11:48] <Ites> in my room, upstairs, i'm using a powerline to get internet cause it's too far away to reach wifi
[11:49] <Ites> i got dual boot win7 and kubuntu. when im on win7, we never have problems
[11:49] <Ites> the problems starts when i'm on kubuntu, and the pc downstairs is connected to internet as well
[11:49] <Ites> my internet will work for 10min max, then i get the error 'servor not found' in firefox
[11:50] <Ites> downstairs, they get the same problem
[11:50] <Ites> i'm 100 sure it has something to do with my kubuntu, i just don't know what or how or whatever, if someone could help it would be awesome
[12:02] <yao_ziyuan> does kubuntu 10.04 use Oxygen Molecule as the default gtk+ theme?
[12:03] <sharkzz> i have problm with my kubuntu..
[12:03] <yao_ziyuan> opensuse 11.3 kde does. i think it's good for other distros to do the same.
[12:03] <sharkzz> yea...
[12:03] <sharkzz> my problem is white screen :(
[12:04] <gnomefreak> better than bule screen
[12:05] <gnomefreak> s/bule/blue
[12:06] <glaucous> How do I add a keyboard shortcut in Kubuntu 10.04? I'd like to start a program Ctrl+T for instance.
[12:07] <sobczyk> Ites: check if your ip addresses don't change
[12:08] <Ites> it does sobczyk, we have dynamic ip's afaik
[12:08] <Ites> but i think i made me a fix one to use torrent sites etc
[12:09] <sobczyk> ites I mean after the 10 minutes
[12:09] <Ites> but why with kubuntu probs, and not with windows
[12:09] <Ites> ok
[12:09] <Ites> and if it does ?
[12:09] <sobczyk> maybe you have dhcp server on ubuntu?
[12:13] <Ites> what's that
[12:16] <sobczyk> Ites: it assigns ip addresses to computers
[12:17] <Ites> hm, i have no idea sobczyk. is there a way to check?
[12:18] <slow-motion> hi
[12:21] <sobczyk> Ites: run package manager
[12:21] <sobczyk> search for dhcp, filer only installed packages
[12:22] <sobczyk> if there is dhcp server there can be problems
[12:22] <Ites> there are 2
[12:22] <Ites> one with
[12:23] <Ites> common files used by all dhcp 3* packages
[12:23] <sobczyk> so it's ok - it's some other problem
[12:23] <Ites> and one dhcp client
[12:25] <sobczyk> Ites: you could take note of ifconfig command, /etc/resolv.conf file and route command before and after the error appears
[12:26] <Ites> i got eth0, l0 and wlan0 when doing ifconfig
[12:26] <Ites> it's the first one e?
[12:26] <sobczyk> yeah eth0 is usually your lan
[12:27] <Ites> ok
[12:27] <Ites> and i do it again when problem encounters again? well i can't go start up the other pc right now cause i'm still doing some things , but i will later then
[12:27] <sobczyk> resolv.conf has the DNS servers (translate address to ip) and route has iformation about gateway
[12:28] <sobczyk> take note whent it works, if it breaks compare what is different
[12:28] <sobczyk> though it's weird that the W7 is fine when kubuntu isn't
[12:29] <Ites> yes idd
[12:36] <rethus> how can i install kde4 and qt devel packages easyly?
[12:36] <rethus> is there a meta-package for it?
[12:37] <sobczyk> rethus: libqt4-dev no idea about kde though
[12:40] <rethus> whats the diference between libkde4-dev uand libkde5-dev?
[13:07] <gezegenci> hi every one
[13:09] <gezegenci> i want to ask somethig
[13:09] <gezegenci> Do you fall in the kde ?
[13:14] <gezegenci> Do you fall in the kde ?
[13:14] <rethus> i think no one knows what u talking about?!
[13:14] <gezegenci> ok
[13:15] <rethus> if u wan't to ask something only ask
[14:21] <cash> selam millet
[14:37] <kasun> hello does anyone know where I can change settings of "kdewallet" ? I installed Choqok and it always ask for password at boot-time, which is a pain. I need to get rid of that. Any help please?
[14:39] <Torch> kasun: use the wallet manager
[14:40] <glaucous> Is it possible to sort by folder in Amarok 2.3?
[14:40] <kasun> Torch, where can I find it? sorry, Im using ubuntu and using a kde app called choqok!
[14:41] <Torch> kasun: the binary is called kwalletmanager
[14:54] <kasun> Torch, thanks. I found that kwalletmanager is not installed in my system(ubuntu 10.04) so I installed that. but I can't load it.
[14:54] <kasun> It says: "Connecting to deprecated signal QDBusConnectionInterface::serviceOwnerChanged(QString,QString,QString)" in command prompt
[14:54] <Torch> kasun: that's only a warning
[14:55] <kasun> Torch, ok. but app is not starting!
[14:56] <kasun> now when enter 'kwalletmanager' to cmd, nothing happens. it just exits, no gui gets loaded
[15:05] <kree8or> hi
[15:06] <kree8or> i have a problem , can anyone help?
[15:07] <Torch> kree8or: just ask, don't ask to ask ;-)
[15:08] <kree8or> i'm trying to use Jsymphonic to connect my walkman to my lappy. I keep getting "cannot find OMGAUDIO folder" message, even though i pointed the program to the OMGAUDIO folder
[15:10] <BluesKaj> 'Morning
[15:49] <kden00b> how does one create an Icon Widget on the desktop?
[15:51] <James147> kden00b: for an application? drag the application from kmenu to the desktop
[15:51] <kden00b> does that create a shortcut or a widget ?
[15:51] <James147> kden00b: everything on the desktop is a widget :)
[15:52] <James147> atleast if your not useing folder view as the desktop:)
[15:52] <kden00b> when I do a create new -> link to application  it's not creating widgets
[15:52] <kden00b> I  think it is set to folder view.. but dragging and dropping helped though .. thanks
[15:52] <folkist> I HATE LIVING AT HOME DURING THE SUMMER
[15:53]  * James147 loves not going home during the summer :D
[15:53] <folkist> hay james
[15:53] <folkist> i hate you
[15:53] <James147> hi folkist
[15:53] <folkist> my mom yells at me for sleeping in till noon
[15:54] <folkist> because she cant run errands without me
[15:54] <folkist> so she adds me on facebook
[15:54] <kden00b> thanks guys
[15:54] <folkist> even thou i fucking live with here
[15:54] <James147> folkist: join #kubuntu-offtopic for general chat :)
[16:00] <brujoh> hey all, is it possible to mount an ext3 filesystem in fstab with a specific uid/gid?
[16:01] <brujoh> I've got this so far but it mounts it as root: LABEL=firelite /media/firelite  ext3    users,exec      0
[16:02] <James147> brujoh: Not sure, but I think just chowning the mount point works
[16:02] <mistrynitesh> brujoh: you can specify the uid(s) in the options field
[16:03] <mistrynitesh> like "users,exec,uid=1000"
[16:03] <brujoh> weird.. when I try passing the options uid=1000,gid=1000 it errors out on a bad option
[16:03] <eikelmt> hi guys
[16:04] <eikelmt> i am running unbuntu lts 10.40 and I have a wifi problem
[16:04] <eikelmt> and I need help
[16:04] <eikelmt> my wifi I have a habbit of disconnecting while i am working
[16:05] <James147> mistrynitesh: brujoh: i dont think ext3 has that option, its for fat and ntfs
[16:05] <eikelmt> sometimes Ii can manage to connect again and sometime i need to restart my box
[16:05] <eikelmt> right now it is working but 10 min ago it did not
[16:05] <eikelmt> so please give me some clues i can check out
[16:06] <eikelmt> while it isstill working
[16:06] <James147> eikelmt: signal strength?
[16:06] <eikelmt> 67%
[16:06] <mistrynitesh> James147: pardon my ignorance
[16:06] <James147> mistrynitesh: its ok, I dont know that much more :)
[16:08] <eikelmt> i can see from the systemlog it is deactivating wlan0
[16:08] <James147> eikelmt: not sure why it would be doing that :S the version in 10.04 seems quite stable to me... you could try using the gnome applet (install: network-manager-gnome  kill knetworkmanager and run nm-applet)
[16:08]  * mistrynitesh still fishing for that really good fstab howto
[16:08] <James147> mistrynitesh: man mount :)
[16:08] <James147> mistrynitesh: will at least tell you all the options
[16:08] <mistrynitesh> hmmm
[16:10] <eikelmt> ok i am doing it right now
[16:10] <eikelmt> what about networkmanager ?
[16:10] <James147> mistrynitesh: although i found useing ntfs-config to add ntfs entries useful :)
[16:10] <eikelmt> I can see both networkmanager and kde networkmanager installed
[16:10] <James147> eikelmt: its the backend that nm-applet and knetworkmanager use :p
[16:11] <eikelmt> ok i see
[16:11] <eikelmt> i am use to both fedora and mandriva but this time i wanted to try out ubuntu since i heard so much nice about it
[16:12] <eikelmt> kde is pretty crappy regardless what you are using
[16:13] <James147> eikelmt: i dissagree, i find it much nicer to use then gnome... although it still does have some holes in it
[16:14] <eikelmt> I have always used KDE but I am impressed about the new gnome
[16:14] <James147> eikelmt: got the impression that they wernt adding that much to the `new` gnome :S
[16:15] <eikelmt> i have both installed and when i am using gnome it is connecting easily to internet, better than kde
[16:15] <gunsofbrixton> hi, what program would you suggest to schedule backups?
[16:15] <James147> but either way, this isnt the channel for discussing it :)
[16:16] <eikelmt> but that might be me and not kde
[16:16] <eikelmt> ok james let me logout and activate gnome network manager
[16:16] <James147> eikelmt: its kde... knetworkmanager is a tempory placeholder while they get the network widget working, i think it sdue to eb in the next version of kubuntu
[16:17] <James147> gunsofbrixton: luckybackup is emnt to be quite good
[16:18] <eikelmt> thanks james and see you around
[16:19] <gunsofbrixton> James147: tnx, I'll check it out
[16:21] <Khaotic> any clue why it says my flash drives are connected when they arent?
[16:22] <James147> Khaotic: 'connected' or mounted?
[16:22] <Khaotic> mounted
[16:22] <Khaotic> whats the difference
[16:23] <James147> Khaotic: connected implys that the drives are pluged in but not mounted, mounted implys that you can access the contents of the drive
[16:23] <Khaotic> ok, well connected
[16:23] <Khaotic> says i cant connect to them
[16:23] <Khaotic> what do i do?
[16:24] <James147> Khaotic: so the device notifier is listing them, but wont let you connect?
[16:25] <Khaotic> yes
[16:25] <Khaotic> well not the notifier
[16:25] <Khaotic> but the mediafolder
[16:25] <James147> Khaotic: /media  ?
[16:25] <Khaotic> yes
[16:26] <James147> Khaotic: that just means soemthing forgot to delete the mount points... not that anything actually knows about the drives
[16:26] <Khaotic> yeh
[16:26] <Khaotic> howdo i fix that?
[16:27] <James147> Khaotic: if you are sure they drives arnt mounted (run "mount" in the terminal to see mounted drives) then you can simply delete the folders (in terminal: sudo rm /media/MOUNTPOINT)
[16:27] <Khaotic> ok
[16:27] <James147> Khaotic: but it really dosent matter if they exist
[16:28] <Khaotic> any clue why it says my flash drives are connected when they arent?
[16:28] <Khaotic> woops
[16:29] <Khaotic> rm: cannot remove `PROGRAMMING': Is a directory
[16:30] <James147> Khaotic: sorry :) sudo rm -r /media/MOUNTPOINT
[16:31] <Khaotic> -r?
[16:31] <James147> Khaotic: if you have trouble mounting the drives you might need ot recreate the mount points
[16:32] <James147> Khaotic: means recursive... needed to delete folders
[16:32] <Khaotic> they mounted :)
[16:32] <James147> Khaotic: if you ahve mounted them then why are you trying to remove the mount points?
[16:33] <James147> Khaotic: now I am confused :S what are you trying to do :S
[16:33] <Khaotic> James147 they wouldnt mount at first
[16:34] <James147> Khaotic: but now they do ?
[16:34] <Khaotic> yes
[16:34] <James147> Khaotic: then dont use the rm command :S sorry, thourght you where trying to delete leftover mount points
[16:34] <Khaotic> i was
[16:34] <Khaotic> just dont worry about it
[16:35] <Khaotic> problem solved
[17:45] <vbgunz> is there an easy way to take all the packages I have in /var/cache/apt and turn it into an offline repository for myself?
[18:07] <TeslaTony> What's a good replacement for knetworkmanager for Kubuntu Netbook Remix?
[18:10] <James147> TeslaTony: the gnome version works slightly better (install: network-manager-gnome  kill knetworkmanager and runn nm-applet)
[18:11] <James147> TeslaTony: although dosent look as good :(
[18:17] <Guest93843> hey guys
[18:21] <joona> Hi
[18:21] <Guest93843> whats uo
[18:21] <joona> bad
[18:22] <Guest93843> ?
[18:22] <joona> I get Segmentation Fault every time I try to run Synaptic or Fusion icon..
[18:22] <Guest93843> i'm new to linux so i don't know what that means
[18:22] <joona> k
[18:45] <harmizi> hi all
[18:51] <nuboon2age_> How do you tell KPackageKit to 'Remove Completely'/Purge a package?
[18:52] <jschall> I'd like to use different kwallets for different passwords - for example, a kwallet with no password for my wifi credentials. I've tried just moving the wifi stuff into a different kwallet, but then networkmanager can't find them.
[18:52] <jschall> any way of doing this?
[18:52] <James147> nuboon2age_: not sure it can... you can use "sudo aptitude purge <packagename>" to do it in a terminal
[18:54] <James147> jschall: Last I heard kwallet supported multiple passwords but no one used them... I think its up to the application to decide if you can use a non default wallet and non of them implment that
[18:54] <James147> multiple wallets ^^
[18:54] <jschall> James147: that's stupid.
[18:54] <jschall> James147: i've yet to see an application that let me choose
[18:54] <James147> jschall: it was part of the design to keep kwallet as lightweight as possible
[18:55] <jschall> James147: well here's the problem with that:
[18:55] <jschall> James147: "ok, i don't want to type a password EVERY TIME MY COMPUTER STARTS AFTER I'VE ALREADY TYPED MY PASSWORD, so I'll just SET THIS THING UP SO IT DOESNT EVER ASK ME FOR A PASSWORD"
[18:55] <jschall> James147: which is a very insecure thing to do
[18:56] <James147> jschall: i know... its been debated before :) you can in the networkmanager config set it to store the passphrases in a plane text file iif you wish
[18:57] <jschall> James147: because as it is, kwallet is the most annoying thing EVER
[18:57] <nuboon2age_> James147: thank you.  Yes, I was wondering KPackageKit was capable of doing it.  I was working w/ someone (even) less Linux/Kubuntu aware than me and so was hoping that a non-CL, non-Synaptic Kubuntu way was available.
[18:57] <James147> jschall: i only found it anoying when it stored my wirelesss key, which are now in a normal file :)
[18:57] <Folkist> anyone know how to make a bootable usb on a mac?
[18:57] <Folkist> ubuntu 9.1
[19:00] <jschall> James147: that's another thing that irks me, knetworkmanager's way of handling wifi bugs me.
[19:00] <jschall> James147: maybe i'm just in an irritable mood today
[19:00] <James147> jschall: knetworkmanager is jsut a tempory placeholder while they get the network widget working... i bleave its going to be in the next release but I am not sure :)
[19:01] <James147> jschall: in the meantime if knetworkmanager is playing up you can try the gnome version
[19:02] <jschall> James147: cool
[19:02] <jschall> James147: it's not THAT bad, but I am glad it's going away
[19:02] <James147> jschall: it was never ment to be good, only work untill it was replaced :)
[19:02] <jschall> James147: lot of stuff to look forward to in the next release, as usual
[19:03] <jschall> James147: new releases always make me happy :)
[19:03] <James147> jschall: same :)
[19:03] <James147> jschall: i think they are aiming to get samba and printing sorted out by then as well
[19:04] <jschall> James147: cool, printing seems to work for me, although I have an printer that plays pretty nice
[19:11] <henkka-> hey
[19:11] <henkka-> is there a mirc like irc client for kubuntu
[19:11] <henkka-> ?
[19:16] <vot> yea its called mirc under wine
[19:16] <vot> its strangely identical
[19:30] <c3l> whats is the kde controll center/system settings called? so I can start it from commandline.
[19:30] <nuboon2age_> henkka-: I like Konversation .  I vaguely remember mirc and liking it, so maybe Konversation would appeal to you to.  Haven't tried quassel.
[19:30] <James147> c3l: systemsettings
[19:31] <c3l> James147: thank
[19:31] <nuboon2age_> henkka-: did you get your Go game on?  I found Kigo after we chated, that i think uses gnugo on the back end.
[19:36] <c3l> where is colorshemes normally stored?
[19:37] <henkka-> no i didnt
[19:38] <c3l> found it /usr/share/kde4/apps/color-schemes
[19:39] <joona> Hey
[19:39] <joona> Anyone having Segmentation Faults with Synaptic or Fusion icon?
[19:40] <jimmy51_> can i make dolphin always and only open in "Details" view?
[19:40] <James147> joona: you might want to ask in #ubuntu :)
[19:40] <joona> I'm using Kubuntu :P
[19:41] <c3l> joona: general ubuntu questions in #ubuntu, #kubuntu is more kde specifik. (i hope)
[19:41] <James147> joona: yeah but Synaptic is a gnome app a believe
[19:42] <James147> you are more likly to find ppl there that know how to fix it
[19:42] <joona> Okay, sorry about the interruption
[19:42] <c3l> the only difference betwee kubuntu and ubuntu is the DE, the operative systems are identical
[19:42] <c3l> joona: (there are also alot more users in #ubuntu to help you :)
[19:44] <James147> jimmy51_: dolphin > settings > configure dolphin > general > check "Use common view properties for all folders" then switch to details view
[19:45] <lucjan> siema
[19:46] <jimmy51_> James147: WOW!  i've been in and out of the settings area many times and would never have knew what that meant
[19:46] <jimmy51_> James147: thanks!
[20:13] <human> w
[20:14] <human> Who have tryed KDE4/5?
[20:14] <James147> human: I have
[20:14] <James147> human: but you really should just ask your question :)
[20:15] <human> Is it faster?
[20:15] <James147> human: dident knotice :S
[20:15] <human> I do not want to crash my current system)
[20:15] <James147> although I have been on it a while and can barly remember what 4.4 was like :)
[20:15] <James147> human: then dont upgrade, 4.5 isent out yet
[20:15] <human> But Sometimes my KDE does not allow me to work and play Sauer)
[20:16] <human> The kde 4.3 was to hard after 3.5
[20:16] <human> But I liked the moon widget and cannot imagine my life without it(
[20:16] <James147> human: :) if you need a preformance bost try disabling some desktop effects or strigi
[20:17] <human> I am thinking about rewriting Qt4 on assembler)
[20:18] <human> Or about bying new computer
[20:18] <James147> human: heh i think buying a new computer would be easier and quicker :p
[20:18] <human> Or the newest fastest verstion of KDE4)
[20:19] <human> I think so, but I think have to spend a lot of time to move the settings and reconfigure it
[20:19] <James147> human: move the harddisk over?
[20:19] <human> And it will be not good if the new computer will be slow for KDE4
[20:20] <human> Yeah, gentlemen! Is there any program to move partitions? I think it must be.
[20:20] <human> :)
[20:20] <human> I am ..
[20:20] <James147> there are many ways to copy a partition :)
[20:26] <human> Oh!
[20:26] <human> What was the time, when I have firstly installed Linux in 2005, it was a disk of 2002)
[20:26] <human> And it worked fast!
[21:13] <grifo74> how can i open dolphin in root mode?
[21:16] <rork> grifo74: kdesudo dolphin
[21:59] <grifo74> thanks work
[22:08] <chevelle> hi people
[22:09] <chevelle> i need help for configure my sound input
[22:09] <chevelle> not found
[22:35] <snarkster> if the test button in multimedia makes sound but nothing else does what does that mean?
[22:35] <snarkster> no sound from videos, music
[22:40] <snarkster> hmm even mpg123 wont make sound..
[22:41] <snarkster> guess Im missing the mp3 library
[22:51] <snarkster> its working now. thanks for nothing
[23:07] <team_steeze> hello
[23:08] <team_steeze>  i'm having a weird sound issue
[23:08] <team_steeze>  i hear no sound in kubuntu but can hear sound just fine in all of my other terminals (tty2 tty3 etc...)
[23:08] <team_steeze> i'm on 8.10
[23:08] <team_steeze> so if i start playing something in kubuntu (tty7)
[23:09] <team_steeze> i hear nothing
[23:09] <team_steeze> but if i switch to any other terminal, i hear the sound
[23:10] <team_steeze> any ideas? i'm 'bout out of options...
[23:11] <espadan7> Hay ummm I'm using Kubuntu 10.04 32bit right now and I'm trying to make a side panel on kubuntu but when i a red x always pops up at the bottom of them panel, Is there a way to remove the x or is that the way its made?
[23:17] <Torch> espadan7: once you're done configuring the panel, lock the widgets
[23:18] <Torch> espadan7: that will make the yellowish thingy to configure it go away and also the red X
[23:21] <espadan7> Torch Thank you so for =]
[23:21] <compilerwriter> anyone know of a chat channel for open office?
[23:21] <espadan7> much for your help*
[23:27] <compilerwriter> I need a calc guru if there is one availiable.
[23:28] <James147> compilerwriter: just ask your question :)
[23:28] <compilerwriter> Well this isn't really the right channel I am trying to find someone who can help privately james147
[23:30] <James147> compilerwriter: no, but you are alot more likly to find someone if you ask a question then if you try to find someone
[23:32] <compilerwriter> I can't seem to remember how to do what I want to do.  Worse yet I can't remember what it is called to look it up for myself.  In calc I have columns A B and C I need to sort sort the information by the value in column be but without changing anything in the adjacent rows.
[23:34] <Torch> compilerwriter: just select the column you want to sort.
[23:34] <Torch> compilerwriter: then sort. calc will ask if that is what you really want. say yes ;-)
[23:34] <Tazzypillar> Hello! I sorta need help not really, but sometimes the Kwin effects just...don't happen. Is that just normal for Kwin at this point or have i got something set up wrong?
[23:35] <compilerwriter> I need to keep the rows correlated with the value in B as well.
[23:35] <Tazzypillar> Also, for some reason my instances of plasma desktop keep showing up in my tasks
[23:35] <Tazzypillar> taskbar
[23:35] <Tazzypillar> i've got no idea why, and it isnt a huge deal, but having the icon there when it shouldn't be
[23:36] <Torch> Tazzypillar: kde version?
[23:36] <Tazzypillar> currently? I'm pretty sure i'm running 4.5, but i'm nooot sure, where can i check?
[23:36] <Torch> Tazzypillar: any kde app. help menu. about kde.
[23:37] <Tazzypillar> 4.5 RC
[23:38] <Torch> Tazzypillar: hmm. doesn't happen here. the taskbar problem i've seen somewhen in the 4.4 cycle, though. not happening anymore for me.
[23:38] <Tazzypillar> i see
[23:38] <Tazzypillar> i think the taskbar thing showed up around the time i got amsn
[23:39] <Tazzypillar> but my bigger issue is the thing with the animations
[23:39] <Tazzypillar> since, you know, eyecandy slut is me
[23:39] <Torch> Tazzypillar: haven't noticed anything being wrong with it, but i turn most of that off... since, you know, work slut is me ;-)
[23:39] <Tazzypillar> minimizing works fine, but the kde menu sometimes doesnt slide up, just pops up. same with closing my windows and opening them, sometimes they just appear
[23:40] <Tazzypillar> the two extremes ;w;


[19:55] <pavlushka> o/ Kilos
[19:56] <Kilos> o/ pavlushka
[19:56] <Kilos> wy arent you sleeping
[19:56] <pavlushka> Kilos: looks like it is going good for you :)
[19:57] <pavlushka> I am enjoying the sleepy feeling
[19:57] <pavlushka> or dizzy if you say
[19:57] <pavlushka> it's like being drunk , lol
[19:58] <Kilos> pm


[01:32] <AlexLatchford> !nvu
[01:32] <ubotu> nvu is a WYSIWYG and code dual-function HTML editor for easily creating web pages.  The original developer is working on a full rewrite; meanwhile, another is doing bugfixes.  It is not the Ubuntu repos for Feisty Fawn, but ping tonyyarusso to inquire about packages.  See also !html.
[02:06] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: im not here but that is no longer supported. thats why its not in feisty composer/kompozer/compozer is the replacment. off to eat dinner
[02:07] <AlexLatchford> hmm okay
[11:17] <gnomefreak> ok morning
[11:23] <ajmitch> hi
[11:27] <gnomefreak> asac: whats the chances if i ask what is going on with this bug "upstream" i get an answer? last reply to bug was 2006-08-09?
[11:29] <gnomefreak> although i dont see this getting fixed in dapper anyway, it doesnt seem like its security related
[11:57] <gnomefreak> what file in debian dir. controls what you see when you click help>about?
[12:11] <gnomefreak> looking to change "Build identifier" as its debian atm
[12:39] <gnomefreak> ok new email for the testing packages (for questions, requests, bugs, and whatever else<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:47] <asac> gnomefreak: good
[12:47] <asac> which bug upstream?
[12:48] <asac> for the debian dir it completely depends on how the package implements things
[12:48] <asac> which package are you interested in?
[12:58] <gnomefreak> upstream bug malone https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=278383
[12:58] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 278383 in MailNews: Movemail "Get All New Messages doesn't work with movemail account" [Normal,New]
[12:59] <gnomefreak> i was looking to change build id for iceape (its debian atm) im sure bugs will file in on that
[01:00] <gnomefreak> and i set up a testing email for the fx3 iceape packages (we need place for bugs to go)
[01:05] <gnomefreak> was trying to get things started before doctors appointment that i need to start getting ready for soon
[01:12] <gnomefreak> the bug above new can be changed to old as hell cant it ;)
[01:24] <gnomefreak> ok time for me to get ready to leave. I posted testing(help wanted) on planet.ubuntu.com so for the time being its there.
[01:46] <asac> movemail is broken
[01:46] <asac> per-definition
[01:47] <asac> no-questions-to-ask
[01:47] <IdleOne> ok so I just installed the mozilla-browser package and now I cant get it to start up
[01:47] <asac> IdleOne: wherefrom?
[01:48] <asac> what version of mozilla-browser?
[01:48] <asac> iceape?
[01:48] <IdleOne> asac,yeah
[01:48] <IdleOne> but hold on a sec
[01:49] <asac> start iceape :)
[01:49] <asac> don't install mozilla-browser
[01:49] <asac> just iceape
[01:49] <IdleOne> didnt realise it changed name lol
[01:49] <asac> :)
[01:49] <asac> mozilla-browser is just a transition package
[01:49] <asac> it contains nothing
[01:49] <IdleOne> Im glad it saved all my bookmarks
[01:49] <asac> its just that you get a smooth upgrade path if you have used now abandoned mozilla-suite
[01:49] <asac> have fun
[01:52] <IdleOne> ok why do I have IceApe Navigator and Iceape Suite in my Applications menu?
[01:52] <IdleOne> if they both startup the browser
[01:53] <IdleOne> upside is iceape startsup and loads pages alot faster
[02:27] <hjmf> launchpad
[02:28] <hjmf> launchpad seems to be down
[02:34] <poningru> wfm
[03:03] <hjmf> yes, seems it is back
[03:06] <boredandblogging> hello, I just saw gnomefreak's post about needing posters, wondering if I can help out
[03:06] <boredandblogging> s/posters/testers
[03:15] <asac> sure
[03:15] <asac> add the apt lines and use the applications :)
[03:16] <IdleOne> asac, I didnt see any repos to add to sources.list. I d/l'ed the debs and install that way
[03:16] <asac> IdleOne: you can set what starts as default
[03:16] <asac> so Iceape suite does not always bring up browser
[03:16] <asac> depends on your settings
[03:16] <asac> ah
[03:16] <asac> wait a sec
[03:16] <boredandblogging> fair enough, should I be trying out the mozilla*.deb or the iceape*.deb?
[03:16] <IdleOne> iceape
[03:16] <asac> deb http://gnomefreak.youmortals.com/mozilla-testing feisty main
[03:17] <asac> deb-src http://gnomefreak.youmortals.com/mozilla-testing feisty main
[03:17] <IdleOne> mozilla is just a meta package
[03:17] <asac> boredandblogging: mozilla*deb contain nothing
[03:17] <asac> just transitional packages
[03:17] <asac> if you install mozilla you will get iceape
[03:17] <asac> so just use iceape
[03:17] <boredandblogging> got it
[03:17] <IdleOne> asac, ty will add to sources
[03:17] <asac> hope they are still the same
[03:17] <asac> gnomefreak: why haven't you mentioned the sources in your mail?
[03:19] <boredandblogging> and bug reports go to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>not launchpad?
[03:19] <asac> if you have problems send mail to mozillateam mailing list
[03:19] <asac> i will tell gnomefreak to use that address instead
[03:20] <boredandblogging> ok, thanks for the help
[03:20] <asac> ther are firefox-trunk packages as well :)
[03:21] <boredandblogging> ahh, I see those
[03:21] <asac> trunk package are the ones to check if they are doing well
[03:21] <asac> is current development head
[03:21] <asac> might be broken the day or the other
[03:21] <asac> though
[04:58] <gnomefreak> i forgot about sources :(
[04:58] <gnomefreak> asac: ok good we can use our mailing list i didnt know if you were on that list.
[05:00] <gnomefreak> i didnt give repos because i didnt want everyone having it just to play with it yet
[05:00] <gnomefreak> want to make sure they are "somewhat stable" before "everyone" uses them
[05:05] <boredandblogging> i've started playing it, seems fine so far
[05:08] <gnomefreak> its fixed sent repos and new place for bugs
[05:09] <gnomefreak> ut oh
[05:23] <gnomefreak> one thing im looking for outside of normal bugs is places ubuntu should be used (example: Help>About it says debian 1.1.1-4.mt1) that on eis already known
[05:29] <gnomefreak> asac: you here?
[05:34] <gnomefreak> asac: when you get back please review bug 103848 (IMHO what should happen because others use it is not a reason to do it and we dont support 3rd party anything) so what difference does it make if it returns linux or gnu...
[05:34] <ubotu> Malone bug 103848 in firefox "OS_ARCH!=Linux " [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103848
[05:35] <gnomefreak> hint f OS_TARGET is not specified, it defaults to $(OS_ARCH), i.e., no
[05:35] <gnomefreak> 943 # cross-compilation.
[05:35] <gnomefreak> 944 #
[05:35] <gnomefreak> s/f/If
[05:40] <gnomefreak> ok anything i need to do besides lay down and think about next meeting? doc gave me muscle relaxers due to 3 week headache if needed ping me ill read away notes when i return.
[05:42] <gnomefreak> ok anything i need to do besides lay down and think about next meeting? doc gave me muscle relaxers due to 3 week headache if needed ping me ill read away notes when i return.   I havent had time to play with it too much yet. Anyway thank you again for testing
[07:27] <jwendell> Hi. Is gnome-vfs support on 'firefox-gnome-support' package broken?
[07:28] <jwendell> i can't browse any smb or ssh filesystem in firefox (save or open)
[07:36] <jwendell> asac?
[07:57] <asac> what?
[07:57] <asac> ah
[07:57] <asac> i think i have a patch for that
[07:57] <asac> you wanna try?
[07:57] <asac> jwendell: ^^^
[07:58] <jwendell> asac, sure i want
[08:01] <asac> you can build packages?
[08:07] <jwendell> asac, yep, but i'd love if you have i386 binaries (i have to wait 1 hour to build firefox on my machine)
[08:09] <asac> no have amd64 only ... and actually have no package prebuild at hand
[08:10] <asac> i upload patch
[08:13] <asac> jwendell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/patch-filepicker-remote.patch
[08:13] <asac> let me know if that works. Maybe it can go to feisty
[08:14] <asac> but i don't think so
[08:14] <asac> but i would ask ;)
[08:14] <asac> if it doesn't work, then i have no idea
[08:23] <jwendell> asac, is it work for you?
[08:41] <gnomefreak> what file am i patching to test?
[08:43] <gnomefreak> and the patch command if you have it handy to make things fast.
[08:47] <jwendell> 15:47, debuild started
[08:48] <gnomefreak> jwendell: 386?
[08:48] <jwendell> gnomefreak, yep
[08:48] <gnomefreak> k
[08:48] <jwendell> gnomefreak, why?
[08:48] <gnomefreak> because i thought you said you didnt have 386
[08:48] <gnomefreak> oh no you just had to wait sorry
[08:49] <jwendell> gnomefreak, no, i *only* have i386
[08:49] <jwendell> :)
[08:49] <gnomefreak> me too
[08:58] <feistyman> hello
[08:58] <gnomefreak> ok open prefferences and look for clean cache saved files ,..... ect
[08:58] <gnomefreak> edit>prefferences
[08:58] <feistyman> thanks
[08:59] <feistyman> In preferences, where is "clean cache saved files" I can't seem to find it
[08:59] <poningru> its under privacy
[08:59] <gnomefreak> feistyman: no need go to tools and click clean private data
[08:59] <poningru> right
[08:59] <poningru> private data
[08:59] <gnomefreak> or ctrl+shift+delete
[09:00] <feistyman> should I "clear now"?
[09:00] <gnomefreak> yes
[09:00] <gnomefreak> feistyman: do you remember what updates you did before this stopped working?
[09:00] <feistyman> ok, I did it
[09:01] <feistyman> I do the updates when it tells me to, usually every day
[09:01] <gnomefreak> give me a link you are trying to download from
[09:02] <feistyman> I'm trying to download any image I see on a web page
[09:03] <gnomefreak> you dont get the download dialog box?
[09:03] <feistyman> This is so weird. It's never done this before. I even tried uninstaling and reinstalling firefox, but it came back exactly the same.
[09:04] <gnomefreak> feistyman: do you  have the download extention by chance?
[09:04] <feistyman> I do the get the box. It asks me what i want to do from a number of choices. If I say "save image as" , it lets me do it, but then nothing is there.
[09:05] <gnomefreak> feistyman: does it work running it in safe mode?
[09:05] <feistyman> gnomefreak, I download ephiphany browser to see if that would save images. It did. But not Firefox
[09:05] <gnomefreak> feistyman: makes me think its an extention you added to firefox
[09:06] <gnomefreak> did you add any prior to this issue?
[09:06] <poningru> feistyman: quick method of checking if its an extension etc is to try a new profile
[09:06] <poningru> !profile folder
[09:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about profile folder - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:06] <poningru> ...
[09:06] <gnomefreak> poningru: running in safe mode does that
[09:06] <feistyman> Maybe you're right. let me check something.
[09:07] <gnomefreak> safe-mode -- no loading of extensions
[09:07] <gnomefreak> s/--/==
[09:07] <feistyman> I think I need to restart firefox to check.
[09:07] <gnomefreak> feistyman: yep
[09:07] <poningru> well right but it still doesnt protect against stupid crap like user.js etc.
[09:07] <feistyman> Can I get back to you then. To this channel?
[09:08] <gnomefreak> asac: patch -p1 <what/apth> <~/patch>
[09:08] <gnomefreak> yes
[09:08] <feistyman> ok. hang on. Thanks, by the way
[09:08] <gnomefreak> get a real cleint and we would have this problem :(
[09:09] <feistyman> that did it.
[09:09] <feistyman> It works now
[09:09] <gnomefreak> there i remembered the patch command now im awake
[09:09] <gnomefreak> feistyman: dont use that extenstion ;) (what was it)
[09:09] <feistyman> gnomefreak, you were right about the add on
[09:10] <gnomefreak> what one so i know for next time
[09:10] <feistyman> It was called "media pirate". To download videos and such.
[09:10] <feistyman> They should remove it from the add on list, don't you think
[09:10] <feistyman> video downloader is safe, and much better
[09:10] <gnomefreak> feistyman: it is up to them.
[09:11] <gnomefreak> i cant make the call on what mozilla does
[09:11] <feistyman> Anyway, thanks for your help.
[09:11] <gnomefreak> yw
[09:11] <feistyman> I've got one more thing I'm tempted to ask you
[09:11] <gnomefreak> ask
[09:11] <gnomefreak> if mozilla related
[09:12] <feistyman> No, it's Ubuntu related. It has to do with my internet not starting up automatically when I boot up Ubuntu. I have to manually click the double-monitor icon to make internet work (att dsl)
[09:13] <gnomefreak> feistyman: join #ubuntu+1 for that
[09:13] <feistyman> Yeah, ok. Thanks so much for your help. I can't tell you how much I appreciate it, and you!
[09:14] <gnomefreak> yw
[09:56] <asac> jwendell: i have no idea ... i just coded it because if found it reasonable ... would be great if you can confirm.
[09:57] <jwendell> asac, ok, it's still compiling...
[09:57] <gnomefreak> can test right now i just need the path to put the patch :)
[09:57] <jwendell> 16:57, debuild finished
[09:57] <jwendell> 1:10h compiling :)
[10:01] <asac> gnomefreak: no path ... firefox = apply
[10:01] <asac> jwendell: what system spec?
[10:02] <jwendell> asac, laptop celeron 1.5Ghz, 512MB ram
[10:03] <asac> thats decent then :)
[10:03] <asac> i mean a good time for your system ;)
[10:04] <gnomefreak> asac: it has to be built in (is that what you mean by firefox = apply?)
[10:05] <asac> if you have a patch to firefox you need to apply it
[10:05] <asac> unless you want to use trunk
[10:05] <asac> there you can put it debian/patches
[10:05] <asac> and add name to debian/patches/series
[10:05] <asac> otherwise, i misunderstood what you asked :/
[10:05] <gnomefreak> asac: i have your patch where do i add it locally to test
[10:06] <gnomefreak> faster than building it than testing it
[10:06] <asac> gnomefreak: as i said you have to apply it against firefox by hand ... then build
[10:07] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[10:07] <gnomefreak> any number will do (assuming patching would use 20_patch_filepicker
[10:08] <jwendell> asac, it did not work... where is it supposed to work? on save? open?
[10:08] <gnomefreak> on changing themes if i had to guess
[10:08] <asac> i have no idea ... its what api doc of gtk file picker says
[10:08] <asac> are you on gnome?
[10:09] <asac> where do you see those mounts in other applications?
[10:16] <gnomefreak> your asking jwendell?
[10:20] <asac> yes
[10:20] <asac> :)
[10:20] <asac> as you haven't finished your build most likely :)
[10:20] <gnomefreak> thought so :)
[10:21] <gnomefreak> the path in the patch i doubt ill find :)
[10:24] <jwendell> asac, i'd guess you have patched the wrong function
[10:24] <gnomefreak> youtube is so stupid :( they put anything on there
[10:25] <asac> jwendell: you sure?
[10:26] <jwendell> asac, 'confirm_overwrite_file' is the name of the function you patched...
[10:26] <asac> which one is right?
[10:26] <asac> you found ;) ?
[10:26] <asac> yeah ... name sounds wierd :)
[10:26] <asac> what did i do?
[10:26] <jwendell> asac, no, i don't know anything from firefox
[10:27] <asac> yeah :)
[10:27] <asac> move it a few lines down
[10:27] <asac> to ::Show
[10:27] <asac> you see it?
[10:28] <asac> actually wait a second :)
[10:28] <asac> you can backout the patch for now
[10:28] <asac> here it comes in a minute
[10:29] <asac> jwendell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/patch-filepicker-remote.2.patch
[10:29] <asac> that should cure you
[10:29] <asac> if it works
[10:30] <asac> the other is really nonesense :)
[10:30] <asac> thanks for finding this ;)
[10:30] <asac> gnomefreak: same for your build :)
[10:31] <gnomefreak> k
[10:31] <gnomefreak> any reason why there is a stray { at the end?
[10:32] <asac> of course :)
[10:32] <gnomefreak> if (parent_widget && parent_widget->group) {
[10:32] <gnomefreak> k
[10:32] <asac> its not garbage if you ask that
[10:32] <asac> its in the code ... so the diff shows it in context
[10:32] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[10:33] <asac> if you look close enough at the patch you should understand what it means
[10:33] <gnomefreak> widget/src/gtk2/nsFilePicker.cpp is what i want to replace?
[10:33] <asac> maybe not the programming part, but definitly, how the file is changed
[10:33] <asac> you have unapply the old patch if you want
[10:33] <gnomefreak> i see the changes
[10:33] <asac> you can edit it then
[10:34] <asac> if you are brave ;)
[10:34] <gnomefreak> "local-only", FALSE, was added
[10:34] <asac> yeah ;)
[10:34] <asac> and backouot the old changes
[10:34] <asac> e.g. look at old patch
[10:34] <asac> and revert it in mind
[10:34] <gnomefreak> shouldnt be too hard to edit it by hand
[10:35] <asac> yeah
[10:35] <jwendell> asac, unfortunately i don't have time to compile it again
[10:35] <asac> jwendell: you don't need a full
[10:35] <gnomefreak> if i see the surrounding parts
[10:35] <asac> recompile
[10:35] <jwendell> asac, just later at home or tomorrow
[10:35] <gnomefreak> jwendell: ill work on it in a bit ;)
[10:36] <jwendell> gnomefreak, thanks, can you (or asac) drop me a mail if it work?
[10:36] <jwendell> wendell _at_ ubuntu.com
[10:36] <gnomefreak> yep
[10:37] <gnomefreak> 3 minutes left on apt-get source
[10:49] <gnomefreak> found it just have to figure out how to keep it in style its in
[10:49] <gnomefreak> ha
[10:52] <gnomefreak> its building
[10:57] <gnomefreak> asac: let me know when you get time for tb 2 build errors
[11:05] <gnomefreak> be back when the sun is out of my eyes :(
[11:05] <gnomefreak> or this finishes whatever is first noticed
[11:40] <AlexLatchford> trying to get Joost Beta to work through WINE with no success
[12:11] <gnomefreak> wish they would have given me that file locally :( i think it saves time and work to test locally before building


[06:49] <dholbach> good morning
[14:26] <mfisch> Laney: you around?
[14:31] <Laney> mfisch: yeah
[14:31] <Laney> sup?
[14:31] <mfisch> Laney: so I had a SRU I started, and didi uploaded it to "unapproved", but I've been unable to find that queue to confirm it's there
[14:32] <Laney> e.g. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+queue?queue_state=1
[14:32] <mfisch> gah, I had that link last week and lost it, thanks
[14:32] <mfisch> there's my package
[14:33] <mfisch> and I assume someone from the SRU team goes through this list every so often?
[14:33] <geser> bookmark the page :)
[14:33] <Laney> I sweear that used to be linked from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring
[14:33] <Laney> it's in my address bar history
[14:34] <geser> there are some pages in LP where it's easier to remember the URL than where the link to that page is
[14:34] <ScottK> mfisch: That's correct.
[14:34] <Laney> man, if that ever gets wiped
[14:34] <mfisch> I had the saucy one and thought I had a bookmark
[14:34] <ScottK> It is linked
[14:34] <mfisch> good thing the Laneymark service is still working
[14:34] <ScottK> Look at "All uploads" to the right of the latest uplaods.
[14:35] <ScottK> It defaults to New rather than Unapproved, but you're on the right page.
[14:35] <Laney> ah yes
[14:35] <Laney> I thought it was on the right there
[14:36] <mfisch> interesting that armhf is "unofficial"
[14:38] <ScottK> It's not really.
[14:38] <ScottK> It's on ports.ubuntu.com instead of archive.ubuntu.com, which used to map to official/unofficial, but doesn't anymore.
[19:17] <Eggman2013> i installed ubuntu from a netinstall.  I only have to base system with console.  How do I get the desktop?
[19:21] <ScottK> Eggman2013: What desktop do you want?
[19:21] <Eggman2013> I think gnome
[19:22] <Eggman2013> do you know why UNetbootin would install just the base system and not full ubuntu?
[19:22] <Unit193> You can install ubuntu-gnome-desktop or gnome-shell, but this isn't so much of a support channel.
[19:23] <ScottK> You probably want #ubuntu to discuss this, but sudo apt-get install ubuntu-gnome-desktop should get you what you're after.
[19:44] <Laney> xnox: any reason the db5.3 changes can't go to debian?
[20:12] <lifeless> win 83
[20:12] <Unit193> /
[21:18] <Laney> can someone manage to get git-buildpackage -S to produce a source package from git://git.debian.org/git/pkg-db/db6.0.git ? :(
[21:18]  * Laney is failing bad
[21:26] <jtaylor> Laney: works for me if you drop the bad patch (or fix it)
[21:27] <Laney> fix it?
[21:27] <Laney> I reverse applied it
[21:27] <jtaylor> I dropped it from series and it worked
[21:27] <Laney> I was hoping to keep it there
[21:28] <Laney> but committing the patch -p1 -R breaks weirdly
[21:29] <jtaylor> probably its applied in the orig tar?
[21:29] <Laney> oh is that what happens in that case?
[21:29] <jtaylor> diff to upstream shows no modification besides debian
[21:30] <Laney> k


[03:15] <lordwilliam> hey all
[03:15] <lordwilliam> ok someone speak or i will think my system isnt working
[04:23] <nalioth> anybody know anything about ipcop and Ubuntu ?
[04:26] <jrib> nalioth: I know some stuff about ubuntu, but nothing about ipcop
[04:27] <nalioth> jrib: i know some stuff about ubuntu, too.  :
[10:56] <TheVault> I need some help
[10:59] <TheVault> Whats the best font configuration that I should make Ubuntu? Because in Firefox, links are various sizes and its kinda annoying and hard to read


[00:12] <dragon_> is there a skype or teams alternative for lubuntu?
 Nothing specifically made for Lubuntu, no. Skype and Teams should both work however.
[00:13] <dragon_> anything that can be found in package manager
 Skype and Teams are both available as Snaps or Flatpaks I think. An opensource option might be Jami. I have no idea how well it works. (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <dragon_> anything that can be found in package manager)
 Teams can also be installed as a .deb Microsoft has instructions  for it.
[00:17] <dragon_> hmm, what are the telegram packages in the installer?
 In the installer?
[00:18] <dragon_> package manager
 Telegram is in the repository.
[00:19] <Maik> telegram-desktop is the desktop client for telegram
[00:19] <kc2bez> !info telegram-desktop
[00:20] <dragon_> I installed and it never turned up anywhere?
[00:20] <Maik> did you pick the right package?
[00:20] <dragon_> I think so,
[00:21] <Maik> sudo apt install telegram-desktop
 It should show up under the "Internet" category.
 You can also use the search or lxqt-runner to find it.
[00:24] <dragon_> thanks, worked
[21:44] <auctus> what is lubuntu.net and why is it the 1st result on google?
[21:44] <auctus> i might fall for it were it not in the ublock badware list
[21:46] <Maik> not sure what it was probably a fan created page
[21:47] <Maik> this is the official site: https://lubuntu.me/
[21:48] <auctus> a fan or ... malware
[21:48] <auctus> im getting lubuntu for this 4GB ram laptop for a friend's kid to learn python
[21:49] <auctus> its an old laptop but it's damn immaculate, looks brand new, should be pretty fun with lubuntu on it
[22:07] <guiverc> auctus, Lubuntu didn't own a web site before lubuntu.me was created; the owner of lubuntu.net was at that time involved with the project and let the team use it.. When the owner left, the access to the web site left too (leading to creation of lubuntu.me).   It was never official but was used by the Lubuntu project for a number of years (ceasing prior to 18.04 I think or around that time)
[22:08] <guiverc> fyi:  lubuntu.me is owned by Canonical, whom now own all flavor web sites so issues like lubuntu.net will not occur again.. Canonical own the site address; but Lubuntu control all detail on it


[00:00] <akgraner> Let me move some changes over for ya right qucik
[00:00] <akgraner> quick
[00:03] <akgraner> bkerensa, there ya go :-)
[00:04] <bkerensa> kk
[00:04] <akgraner> all the chapters and subheaders :-)  Just remove the ......
[00:04] <akgraner> as you add information to that chapter
[00:04] <akgraner> sorry I thought I had added those already
[00:06] <akgraner> Oh here is another doc I found with some goals on it - thought you all might like to read it - https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AdKZelXU8Y2LZGNrcHRkYmhfNzdoZ2M2cHpmMg&hl=en_US
[00:08] <akgraner> we can update that list of goals....
[00:08] <akgraner> :-)
[00:09] <akgraner> I'll send out a doodle poll tomorrow to the team members who have joined so far and see if can't use some of these goals for blueprints at UDS etc
[00:10] <akgraner> I am so excited :-)   THANK YOU ALL so much!!!!
[00:11]  * bkerensa is adding
[00:11] <bkerensa> :)
[00:12] <bkerensa> why does this google doc not have chat :)
[00:17] <Cheesehead> The LoCo Leader Training Series is interesting. Was this an old UDS proposal?
[00:30] <Cheesehead> Chapter 7: Finally, the After Action Report. I'm very familiar with AARs, but do we want to rename it to something more like Event Review?
[00:31] <akgraner> Cheesehead, we can :-)
[00:31] <akgraner> I used another document I helped write and just modified it
[00:31] <Cheesehead> Of course,
[00:32] <Cheesehead> People look at me funny when I use certain military-based terms.
[00:32] <Cheesehead> They're just not familiar with them
[00:33] <Cheesehead> They are sometimes more familiar with (pompous) equivalents like Continuous Quality Improvement
[00:36] <akgraner> nods
[00:36] <akgraner> :-)
[00:37] <akgraner> I've got the other chapters I modified as well but I wanted to see what the community wanted rather me just adding everything
[00:37] <akgraner> but I can add the other modified chapters if you all want
[00:37] <Cheesehead> What's the source?
[00:38] <akgraner> An FRG manual I helped write
[00:38]  * Cheesehead nods.
[00:38] <akgraner> same issues :-)
[00:38] <Cheesehead> I'm familiar with FRGs.
[00:39] <akgraner> then you noticed the similarities with the style needed and used
[00:39] <akgraner> as well as the skills needed when dealing with all volunteer organizations
[00:39] <akgraner> :-)
[00:39] <Cheesehead> Indeed
[00:40] <akgraner> a lot of people aren't...so I wanted to take out the FRG references and update it LoCo teams first
[00:40] <akgraner> the branch out from there
[00:40] <akgraner> but I'm up for suggestions
[00:40] <akgraner> :-)
[00:40] <akgraner> but I figured we just needed to pick a place and start
[00:40] <Cheesehead> I agree that it's a good starting point
[00:41] <akgraner> I'll be posting weekly leadership tips and stuff
[00:41] <Cheesehead> Posting where?
[00:41] <akgraner> just general leadership principles and stuff
[00:41] <akgraner> on my blog syndicated to the planet
[00:42] <akgraner> until we come up with a blog somewhere else...again - just a place to start
[00:42] <Cheesehead> I think that's a wonderful idea.
[00:42] <akgraner> I figure we can come up with a better solution at UDS and in subsequent meetings
[00:43] <Cheesehead> Better solution to what?
[00:44] <akgraner> if we want an Ubuntu Leadership Blog
[00:44] <akgraner> or just using mine is ok?
[00:44] <akgraner> but for now I'll just volunteer mine :-)
[00:44] <Cheesehead> I don't see a need for a separate blog at this time.
[00:44] <akgraner> me either
[00:45] <akgraner> again just a starting point
[00:45] <Cheesehead> Many teams have blogs that are dormant. really, what do we have to say to the rest of the Planet?
[00:45] <akgraner> nothing that isn't syndicated through one of our blogs already
[00:46] <Cheesehead> Agreed
[00:46] <akgraner> hey I need to run  - my dad had surgery today and I am wiped out  - but I'll catch up with you all tomorrow
[00:46] <Cheesehead> All our best.
[00:47] <akgraner> Thank again you all! :-)  add away
[01:06] <bkerensa> akgraner: How is the part in events I added so far? I'm gonna add much more
[01:07] <Cheesehead> bkerensa:Chapter 7? I quite like it.
[01:13] <bkerensa> Cheesehead: Thanks :) I will be adding a lot more and the akgraner and DarkwingDuck can purge as needed :)
[01:13] <Cheesehead> Well, there's a lot to say, isn't there?
[01:14] <Cheesehead> For example, an After Action Review simply cannot be effectively learned from a book.
[01:14] <Cheesehead> It must be practiced several times before a facilitator is ready to take on a group.
[01:15] <Cheesehead> Otherwise the group may deveolve into blame and name-calling.
[01:15] <Cheesehead> A bit counterproductive.
[01:16] <Cheesehead> But that's an issue for down-the-road.
[01:16] <Cheesehead> In the meantime, I'll do all I can in the book to prevent a Significant Emotional Event
[01:47] <Cheesehead> akgraner: I an unsure that the second GoogleDoc (the Leader Training Series) is on the right track. It seems to be oriented on teaching leadership like a language
[01:48] <Cheesehead> A bit top-down and chalk-and-talk
[01:48] <Cheesehead> (Possibly for that event)
[01:49] <Cheesehead> (Possibly structured so for that event)
[01:51] <Cheesehead> Depending upon the venue and audience, I suspect we can tailor something a bit closer to the audience's needs.
[01:52] <Cheesehead> OK, I'm done blabbing for the night!
[08:29] <NRWlion> morning!
[11:59] <akgraner> morning
[11:59] <akgraner> *yawn*  *blink* *blink*
[11:59]  * akgraner looks for coffee
[17:01] <Cheesehead> Announcement: I'm creating a list of trainable leadership skills. If you think of a skill, please add it to the list. Duplicates are welcome. https://docs.google.com/document/d/13VOmTgEqCzIW8oITV2d5fIRD3xsiKRVMd39OUlpx6xQ/edit?hl=en_US
[17:05] <Cheesehead> One possible use for the list are skill training sessions (for example on IRC)
[17:08] <Cheesehead> Oops, *now* it's editable by you.
[18:59] <DWonderly> akgraner: ping
[19:05] <akgraner> DarkwingDuck, pong
[19:05] <DarkwingDuck> akgraner: any ideas on a meeting?
[19:06] <akgraner> I'll send out a doodlepoll this afternoon
[19:06] <DarkwingDuck> I have not heard anything back about the ML except to use LP
[19:06] <akgraner> to those members on the LP team and blog about it incase other want to join in
[19:06] <akgraner> how's that sound
[19:06] <DarkwingDuck> I explained our wishs of why we didn't want to do that but, I have not heard anything back.
[19:06] <DarkwingDuck> Sounds good to me.
[19:06] <akgraner> I'll jump on the thread as well
[19:06] <akgraner> :-)
[19:06] <akgraner> bbiab
[19:06] <DarkwingDuck> kk


[09:15] <adnan> hello all :)
[09:17] <ochosi> hi
[09:32] <adnan> how's it going :)
[09:37] <ochosi> good
[09:38] <ochosi> made some progress again on the weather icons
[10:02] <adnan> oh, mind if i take a peek? :))
[10:02] <ochosi> no, it's on github, so it's public anyway
[10:02] <adnan> ah right, I'll pull them
[10:05] <adnan> could you show weather preview thing
[10:05] <adnan> forecast :)
[10:06] <ochosi> e.g. like this: http://imagebin.org/235669
[10:06] <ochosi> as you can see the 48px aren't finished
[10:08] <adnan> mhm, they look great :)
[10:08] <adnan> great job
[10:10] <ochosi> thanks
[10:10] <ochosi> the main issue is the sun in 48px
[10:10] <ochosi> as soon as i've done that, i think it'll be easy to finish the rest
[16:08] <pleia2> our site is feeling better now, squid had gone wonky
[18:42] <knome> pleia2, yeah, good.
[19:08] <pleia2> there, http://xubuntu.org/press/ now has many things
[19:12] <knome> shiny
[19:14] <pleia2> knome: do we want non-subscribers to ever be able to post to -devel? (I'm wondering if we should just reject them all, instead of putting them into moderation)
[19:16] <knome> pleia2, can we have some kind of *more friendly* message to subscribe then?
[19:18] <pleia2> where? in the message rejected notice?
[19:18] <knome> yes
[19:18] <knome> iirc, the current one is mailman default, which is kind of dull
[19:20] <knome> i think adding some kind of xubuntu-specific message, even if it essentially said the same, could be good
[19:21] <pleia2> I'll have a look :)
[19:21] <knome> i think we definitely can change that
[19:22] <knome> i think i've even seen that field
[19:22] <knome> but the thing is we should write it
[19:22]  * pleia2 nods
[19:22] <knome> we probably even should write something about if it's about support, don't subscribe and resend
[19:22] <knome> but rather send to -users
[19:23] <pleia2> yeah
[19:24] <knome> heh
[19:24] <knome> photoshop font selecting
[19:24] <knome> you can't select a font that starts with a small letter by writing the name, even if you typed with small letters
[19:25] <knome> typing "ne" doesn't suggest "nevis", but happily suggests "Negotiate"
[19:27] <pleia2> hehe
[19:27] <pleia2> sounds broken, should submit a patch
[19:27] <pleia2> (oh wait!)
[19:27] <knome> hahah
[19:27] <knome> well, it's CS2, so not too current anyway ;)
[19:27] <pleia2> ah :)
[19:28] <knome> worksforme though, not too many "kewl" features


[00:30] <AuroraAvenue> popey, I know your on the show - but I'm looking for this bug.
[00:30] <AuroraAvenue> ...
[00:30] <AuroraAvenue> The bug allows Ubuntu Touch to be installed on Lollipop Android, which it can't at the moment.
[00:46] <AuroraAvenue> maybe it was pre-recorded.
[06:28] <popey> AuroraAvenue: que?
[06:29] <popey> Morning all
[06:29] <Kilos> hi popey
[06:29] <Kilos> and hi dholbach dpm svij
[06:29] <svij> morning all!
[06:30] <dholbach> hi Kilos, hi svij, hi popey, hi dpm
[06:33] <dpm> morning all
[07:29] <davidcalle> Morning o/
[07:32] <Kilos> hi davidcalle
[09:33] <dholbach> davidcalle, dpm, mhall119, popey: I won't be able to make it to the team meeting later on as I will have to pick up Lisa from the train station
[09:34] <dholbach> dpm and I talked about this Friday evening already and thought it might be a good idea to move the meeting to tomorrow
[09:34] <dholbach> dpm, ^ do I remember this correctly?
[09:34] <dpm> dholbach, ah, yeah, let me do that, thanks for the heads up
[09:34] <popey> me either, I'll be on a flight
[09:35] <davidcalle> wfm
[09:35] <dpm> popey, ah, I thought you'd have landed already. All set for Prague?
[09:35] <dholbach> popey, enjoy Prague! :-)
[10:07] <popey> dpm: ah, no, will be on the way to the airport
[10:07] <popey> dholbach: thank :)
[10:07] <popey> *s
[10:07] <dpm> popey, ok
[10:07] <dpm> dholbach, popey, reshuffling calls, then
[10:08] <dholbach> thanks
[13:02] <dholbach> hey marcoceppi, so about the manual deployment - how is this going to work? you just do a bzr pull or something?
[13:02] <dholbach> marcoceppi, in that case we'd also need to pull the dependencies
[13:03] <dholbach> and run "./manage.py migrate" at least
[13:04] <marcoceppi> dholbach: right, if the bzr repo is ready to pull, I'll give it a go first and document the process for you
[13:04] <dholbach> yes, it should be
[13:19] <marcoceppi> dholbach: it failed: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16048119/
[13:19] <dholbach> ugh
[13:20] <marcoceppi> dholbach: do you have a remedy for this?
[13:20] <dholbach> marcoceppi, were the dependencies updated as well?
[13:21] <marcoceppi> yes
[13:21] <dholbach> was this part of the layers  branch?
[13:21] <dholbach> this didn't happen in my testing :-/
[13:21] <marcoceppi> dholbach: I'm not doing it in the charm
[13:21] <marcoceppi> I'm doing it manually
[13:22] <marcoceppi> I just ran the migrate command after a pip install of the updated requirements.tx
[13:22] <dholbach> ok, just a sec, let me see
[13:22] <marcoceppi> dholbach: let me try one more thing
[13:22] <dholbach> yep, I have an idea too
[13:23] <marcoceppi> cool
[13:24] <marcoceppi> dholbach: my idea didn't work
[13:27] <dholbach> marcoceppi, can you try to apply https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/ubucon-site/fix-migration-paths/+merge/292805 and try again?
[13:27] <dholbach> the paths in the settings.py referred to the old south migrations
[13:29] <marcoceppi> dholbach: much better, it's progressing now
[13:29] <dholbach> <3
[13:29] <marcoceppi> need to run to an appointment, be back in 15
[13:30] <marcoceppi> dholbach: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16048220/
[13:30] <dholbach> I have a call now, bbiab
[13:41] <marcoceppi> dholbach: no worries, I just relocated
[13:46] <dholbach> davidcalle, ^ we're having a bit of a problem with the ubucon-site deployment
[13:46]  * davidcalle hides
[13:47] <davidcalle> marcoceppi: hey :)
[13:47] <marcoceppi> davidcalle: ahoy
[13:47] <marcoceppi> davidcalle: migrations are failing to run because something already exists
[13:50] <marcoceppi> django_openid_auth_association
[13:54] <davidcalle> marcoceppi: dholbach: maybe try something like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16048726/
[13:54] <davidcalle> dholbach: please check if it looks sane to you ^
[13:55] <davidcalle> This assumes it's based on the devportal code and that you actually have a run.py script in the charm (afaik, you should)
[13:56] <marcoceppi> davidcalle: different charm, this is django layer, but the commands are worth trying
[13:56] <marcoceppi> davidcalle: fake-initial looks promising
[13:57] <marcoceppi> davidcalle dholbach now the migrate command is failing
[13:57] <marcoceppi> davidcalle http://paste.ubuntu.com/16048756/
[13:58] <dholbach> can you run the makemigrations command to see what it adds?
[13:59] <marcoceppi> dholbach: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16048832/
[14:00] <marcoceppi> oh, fake-inital might not have been the right course of action
[14:00] <dholbach> I don't understand where these new migrations come from now :-/
[14:03] <marcoceppi> dholbach: I restarted gunicon, does the site look as you'd expected?
[14:03] <dholbach> yes, it looks good AFAICS
[14:04] <marcoceppi> dholbach: then I htink the migrations are done, since it says there are none to run (despite there being new ones)
[14:04] <marcoceppi> dholbach: I'll copy the new migrations down so you can test/check/potentially commit them
[14:04] <svij> marcoceppi: dholbach: the administration menu is broken
[14:04] <svij> when logged in
[14:04] <marcoceppi> perfect.
[14:04] <marcoceppi> svij: what's the login?
[14:05] <svij> http://ubucon.org/openid/login
[14:05] <svij> you may need to be in a launchpad group
[14:05] <svij> ah, you are
[14:05] <davidcalle> svij: broken how? Looks ok to me
[14:06] <svij> oh
[14:06] <svij> now it looks fine here too
[14:06] <dpm> it's taking quite a long time for me to log in at all
[14:06] <marcoceppi> svij: I may have pulled the rug from out under you, since I did a collectstatic after you reported it broken
[14:07] <svij> marcoceppi: ah!
[14:07] <marcoceppi> dholbach: the upgrade process (when migrations work) is straight forward. I'll be easy for me to build it into the charm. We're probably going to want to redeploy this again sometime, so I'm not sure how to export the content for a reimport but we can takle that later
[14:10] <svij> is the blog now included?
[14:10] <dholbach> marcoceppi, I think the new migration stems from the fact that we did a cms update and one of the internal keys we had foreignkey on changed
[14:10] <marcoceppi> dholbach: sure, so it'll be good to just deploy afresh with the proper migrations, etc
[14:11] <marcoceppi> dholbach: I fear it won't cleanly migrate on the next update
[14:11] <dholbach> marcoceppi, davidcalle: does https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/ubucon-site/fix-migration-paths/+merge/292805 look sane to you?
[14:11] <marcoceppi> dholbach: here are the instructions to defeat bus factor http://paste.ubuntu.com/16048881/
[14:11] <marcoceppi> dholbach: I'll build this into the charm so you can do it via juju
[14:12] <dholbach> marcoceppi, I'll send an email to mhall119 and davidcalle too with the instructions
[14:12] <dholbach> marcoceppi, I don't know anything about juju :-)
[14:12] <marcoceppi> dholbach: hah, I'll learn you soon enough ;)
[14:13] <dholbach> ok, I'll take your word for it :-)
[14:15] <svij> dholbach: so can I play around with the blog finally?
[14:15] <davidcalle> dholbach: debug true l54, expected?
[14:15] <dholbach> davidcalle, it replaces l32
[14:16] <davidcalle> dholbach: ok
[14:16] <dholbach> looking through the page I'm not sure if the blog bits actually landed or are enabled
[14:17] <svij> if I add a page content on on the structure view, there's a "News & Blog" header with blog specific things, dholbach
[14:19] <dholbach> hum
[14:19] <dholbach> if I try to edit the /blog page, I get "you're not allowed to add a plugin"
[14:19] <dholbach> marcoceppi, I'm not sure... do you think we should land https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/ubucon-site/fix-migration-paths/+merge/292805?
[14:20] <svij> dholbach: oh you're right
[14:26] <marcoceppi> dholbach: try now
[14:26] <marcoceppi> dholbach: I just landed that migration (cleanly) from your branch
[14:26] <dpm> Also, not urgent, but if in the current or next deployment we could squeeze in: https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/ubucon-site/add-de-fr-zh_cn/+merge/292809 - cmt-arudy has been asking me to enable French in the site for a few days now
[14:28] <dholbach> davidcalle, for the right permissions to add e.g. a blog archive to a page, maybe we need to fix/extend the initdb command(?)
[14:28] <dholbach> or maybe just re-run it?
[14:28] <marcoceppi> dholbach: can you edit blog now?
[14:29] <dholbach> marcoceppi, I can edit the page, but couldn't add a blog archive plugin
[14:29] <dholbach> let me log out and log back in again and see if that changes anything
[14:29] <marcoceppi> dholbach: can you now?
[14:30] <dholbach> trying
[14:31] <dholbach> no, I don't seem to have the right permissions
[14:31] <dholbach> marcoceppi, is the entire MP I sent earlier applied now, if yes - I merge it into trunk to reflect that
[14:32] <marcoceppi> dholbach: I just applied your MP about 3 mins ago
[14:32]  * dholbach hugs marcoceppi
[14:32] <marcoceppi> brb
[14:33] <davidcalle> dholbach: marcoceppi, svij: so, I managed to add an archive plugin
[14:33] <dholbach> oh wow
[14:34] <dholbach> davidcalle is clearly more special then me
[14:34] <dholbach> s/then/than
[14:34] <davidcalle> dholbach: I gave myself the right permissions :)
[14:34] <marcoceppi> i have no idea whats going on ;)
[14:34] <dholbach> davidcalle, whaaaaat!
[14:34] <dholbach> that's cheating
[14:34] <marcoceppi> lmk when you need me to poke juju
[14:34] <dholbach> but good on you! :)
[14:34] <davidcalle> marcoceppi: :)
[14:34] <dholbach> with that we can publish the /blog page and are all done now?
[14:36] <dholbach> davidcalle, ^
[14:36] <dholbach> if yes: http://blaqswans.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/a_team-300x216.jpg :-)
[14:37] <davidcalle> dholbach: well, it should work, but I don't know how aldryn works and which plugin to put on the page :) svij, dholbach, let me give you these permissions
[14:37] <dholbach> davidcalle, maybe for now just add a blog archive so we get all the latest blog entries
[14:37] <dholbach> and then we let svij figure out how to publish a blog entry :-)
[14:37] <svij> yay
[14:37] <dholbach> so we divide up the work items ;-)
[14:37] <dholbach> ← break database
[14:38] <dholbach> marcoceppi: fix database
[14:38] <dholbach> davidcalle: cheat database
[14:38] <dholbach> svij: figure it all out
[14:38] <svij> and then I'll tell Marius Q to write a blog post. Hehe
[14:39] <dholbach> this is an excellent example of teamwork :-P
[14:41] <davidcalle> dholbach: dpm: svij: I've enabled blog plugins control to all ubucon devs. And I guess we can do on a per editor basis?
[14:41] <davidcalle> svij: I've put you in the dev group as well
[14:41] <dholbach> davidcalle, sure
[14:42] <dholbach> I don't expect that many editors
[14:42] <svij> yup
[14:42] <davidcalle> svij: what browser do you use?
[14:43] <svij> davidcalle: chromium
[14:43] <davidcalle> svij: ok, Firefox and Django CMS admin don't work hand in hand for some reasons (eg. plugin deletion on a page doesn't work in Firefox)
[14:46] <davidcalle> svij: dholbach: feel free to ping me if you need more cheap corner cutting :D
[14:47] <dholbach> great work everyone
[14:47] <dholbach> thanks a lot!
[14:47] <dholbach> dpm, ^ looks like we're ready to go with the blog
[14:47] <marcoceppi> dholbach: I've taken this feedback and started iterating on the charm layer, hopefully by end of next week I'll have a better exeprience for you
[14:47] <dholbach> <3
[14:47] <elacheche> o/ folks :)
[14:48] <svij> thanks dholbach, marcoceppi and davidcalle
[14:48] <Kilos> czajkows1i congratulations, may it be a long happy marriage
[14:48] <dpm> thanks so much marcoceppi
[14:49] <dpm> and all!
[14:49] <marcoceppi> dholbach dpm, while I'm rooting around, we can land that language patch if you get it onto trunk
[14:49] <dholbach> I'll merge it
[14:50] <dpm> awesome
[14:50] <dpm> marcoceppi, do local juju deployments work with the layer now? IIRC that was one of the issues dholbach was having. I've not tested the site locally in a while, but I can give it another go
[14:51] <marcoceppi> dpm: the problems were with juju 2.0 and lxd, which have been ironed out
[14:52] <dpm> ok, cool
[14:52] <dholbach> merged
[14:55] <dpm> thanks dholbach!
[14:55] <dpm> marcoceppi, are you guys still recommending the juju PPA in 16.04?
[14:58] <marcoceppi> dpm: yea, juju 2.0 still hasn't landed in xenial yet
[14:59] <dholbach> all right... I'm out to pick up Lisa from the station - see you guys tomorrow - dpm: I'll work on the UOS suggestions first thing tomorrow, maybe we can catch up tomorrow early before the team call too
[14:59] <marcoceppi> dpm dholbach languages pulled down
[14:59] <dholbach> marcoceppi, fantastic
[14:59] <dholbach> thanks a lot
[14:59] <dholbach> it's much appreciated :)
[14:59] <marcoceppi> dholbach: I should be a lot more responsive now that release is out <3
[14:59] <dholbach> excellent :-)
[15:00] <dholbach> I know you had lots on your plate
[15:00] <dholbach> all right - see you guys tomorrow
[15:05] <dpm> thanks again marcoceppi!
[15:07] <dpm> languages appear on the admin, we now just need to translate some content to test them live
[20:49] <czajkowski> Aloha


[05:08] <sboysel> how easy is it to dual boot OSX tiger and ubuntu on a macbook?
[02:59] <neasteflorin> hello
[03:00] <neasteflorin> how can i help? i personally have a lappie doesn't like ubuntu
[03:00] <neasteflorin> weird driver for graphics and card reader
[03:00] <neasteflorin> anybody here?
[03:01] <neasteflorin> ok, this sucks


[10:03] <TJ-> In #ubuntu can we have benutzer quieted/kicked for making obscene remarks?
[10:05] <Flannel> TJ-: Thanks
[16:41] <dax> re: meltdown patches: "< ratliff> [...] updated kernel packages are starting to propagate into -proposed and they will be released as soon at the kernel and release teams have sufficient evidence that they are good enough to release."
[16:41] <dax> so hopefully i will be updating !kpti soon (and probably will split it out into !meltdown and !spectre)
[16:42] <hggdh> I do not think spectre patches were included
[16:42] <dax> correct
[16:44] <dax> as far as i know the only people with spectre mitigations currently are RHEL
[16:44] <dax> (and I think microsoft has something or other, but haven't been paying attention)
[16:45] <dax> but yeah, ubuntu's focusing on getting meltdown out the door and then going from there
[16:46] <hggdh> yep. And, even upstream, the patches are still coming in/being adjusted/being rejected
[16:47] <dax> *nod*


[09:50] <bazhang> I thought nvidia-settings was done out of X
[09:50] <bazhang> there's a gui for it?
[09:53] <ikonia> it's an X11 gui
[09:53] <bazhang> ok
[09:59] <bazhang> fman has been less than forthcoming /sensible in past encountuers
[13:58] <ikonia> hey venzen
[13:58] <venzen> hi ikonia
[13:58] <ikonia> what's up ? I thought you didn't want to join and had nothing to discuss ?
[13:59] <ikonia> in fact, you told me to "fuck off" when I asked you to join ? hence my surprise
[13:59] <ikonia> so what's up ?
[14:01] <venzen> apologies for my silence till now, i'm completing a discussion in another channel
[14:01] <ikonia> no problem
[14:02] <venzen> i'll be back in 5-10mins. Just to be clear i used strong language at your proposal in that channel, not at you
[14:02] <ikonia> fair enough
[14:09] <venzen> i should have said "f*ck that" since it couldn't be misconstrued. Apologies. I prefer not to use strong language amd no-one likes that in a public forum anyway
[14:09] <venzen> so where did our disagreement start?
[14:09] <ikonia> F*ck that would also have been unwelcome
[14:09] <venzen> as i say
[14:09] <venzen> you have an annoying manner i must tell you
[14:10] <ikonia> ok
[14:10] <ikonia> anything else ?
[14:10] <venzen> so i ask, above: where did our disagreement start?
[14:10] <ikonia> there is no disagreement, hence why I've asked you 10+ times to "drop it"
[14:11] <ikonia> do you want to just cut to the chase ?
[14:11] <venzen> no single-minded, there is a disagreement and it is on-topic here. shall i nutshell it ?
[14:12] <ikonia> no single-minded ?
[14:12] <ikonia> sorry, I don't know what you mean by that
[14:12] <venzen> shall i nutshell my issue?
[14:12] <ikonia> you're welcome to state whatever you feel the issue is, but I assure you there is no disagreement
[14:12] <venzen> ok
[14:12] <ikonia> (it would be helpful too if you could state what you "want" too)
[14:13] <venzen> i give a user my opinion in #ubuntu and you comment - to me - not to the user's question: "that is the worst thing you can tell someone"
[14:14] <venzen> so this is my issue:
[14:14] <ikonia> sorry, I'm not seeing the issue (or have you not typed it yet)
[14:15] <venzen> if that is the _worst_ thing, which is subjective - your opinion vs mine - then why don't you contribute to the user's issue and propose the _better_ thing?
[14:15] <venzen> this is fascilitation
[14:15] <ikonia> I'd already corrected other things you'd told him
[14:16] <ikonia> and when I told you this was also bad information, you started typing to pick a fight stating was I going to correct every mistake you made
[14:16] <venzen> but you just chose to turn on me rather than being a positive presence in the channel and facilitating the issues that arise
[14:16] <ikonia> no-one turned on you
[14:16] <ikonia> I corrected you
[14:16] <ikonia> and the information I gave in correcting you also made it clear to him why it was incorrect
[14:16] <ikonia> thus two birds with one stone
[14:17] <venzen> you were adressing me on my opinions given to the user, rather than give your opinions to the user - this is you picking for a fight
[14:17] <venzen> anyone would get annoyed by an op yapping at their ankles every other statement, surely?
[14:17] <ikonia> venzen: I corrected why it was bad advice and why explaining the reasons, that pretty much corrected the info, and also give the user the other view point
[14:18] <ikonia> venzen: yapping at their ankles ? I corrected you 2 times, and typed 2 things
[14:18] <ikonia> so what do you want out of this ?
[14:18] <ikonia> I'm not sure what you're looking for here ?
[14:18] <venzen> ikonia: well, i speak under correction, but i did not see you provide other advice - only ciriticism of my utterances
[14:19] <ikonia> venzen: then re-read the log
[14:19] <venzen> i got the impression you found me annoying for some reason and had singled me out for a scrap
[14:19] <venzen> let me re-read
[14:19] <ikonia> nope, I corrected you two times, and said nothing more
[14:19] <ikonia> you continued pushing it
[14:19] <ikonia> then joined another channel to push it again
[14:19] <ikonia> then refused to join this channel
[14:20] <ikonia> now join this channel to push it again after stating "I have nothing more to say on the matter"
[14:20] <ikonia> so it appears you who are tyring to pick a problem hwere
[14:20] <ikonia> so again - what do you want to achieve out of this disucssion ?
[14:22] <venzen> ikonia: i arrived here to observe this channel and you engaged me in discussion, i thought "well, give this over-zealous op a chance - maybe we can explain both our sides and come to an understanding"
[14:22] <ikonia> the channel is not an observation channel
[14:22] <venzen> but you see, you're with the finger in my chest every time
[14:22] <ikonia> over-zelous op a hance ?
[14:22] <ikonia> chance ?
[14:23] <ikonia> you didn't know I was an o
[14:23] <ikonia> op
[14:23] <ikonia> and you also turned on another user in the channel asking you to stop who was not an op
[14:23] <ikonia> again - it seems you're trying to find a problem
[14:23] <venzen> well we didn't get along in the channel, so a second chance here might be productive, right?
[14:23] <ikonia> what do you actually want out of this discussion ?
[14:23] <ikonia> I got on fine with you ?
[14:24] <venzen> no, you made a problem and seem bewildered that i reacted to you. I'm trying to help you understand :)_
[14:24] <ikonia> you're the one suggesting there is a problem, I've said 5+ times there i no problem
[14:24] <ikonia> you're not trying to help me at all
[14:24] <ikonia> why you reacted to me - and another user
[14:24] <ikonia> and why you tried to pickup this fight in #lubuntu with no-one speaking
[14:24] <ikonia> and why you refused to join this channel to discuss "the problem"
[14:24] <ikonia> it seems to me like you are the one trying to make a problem, as I've said I have no issue at all
[14:25] <ikonia> hence "what do you want out of this discussion" ?
[14:25] <venzen> ikonia: you exhibit the behavior and attitude of those who gravitate to positions of authority - i'm telling you that you were out of line, objectively, but you're just denying that there is even an issue
[14:26] <venzen> let's leave it. please allow me to speak here without interrupting
[14:26] <ikonia> what do you want from this discussion ?
[14:26] <ikonia> lets focus on that
[14:28] <venzen> i came here to observe, you engaged me. fact. i want nothing from you or this discussion. YOu prompted it over in #ubuntu and by immediately following your greeting to me here with the issues _you_ have.
[14:28] <ikonia> I greeted you because it's polite
[14:28] <venzen> and then, what did you say after politely greeting me?
[14:28] <ikonia> and this isn't an observation channel, so if you don't want anything the team ask that you /part the channel
[14:29] <venzen> you're amazing you know?
[14:29] <ikonia> thank you
[14:29] <ikonia> so please /part the channel or state what you want ?
[14:31] <venzen> i have what i want. goodbye ikonia, see you in the ubuntu channels, but please don't you bring us here again with your behavior, allright?
[14:31] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-ops venzen looking for a fight