  Looks like it snowed over night, but only about 2 mm
[09:08] <Laney> hey seb128 pitti and willcooke!
[09:09] <Laney> nice and chilly
[09:09] <didrocks> hey Laney, willcooke
[09:09] <Laney> and didrocks!
[09:09] <Laney> how is it going?
[09:11] <didrocks> good, thanks! yourself?
[09:11] <Laney> awesome
[09:12] <Laney> we went wild camping at the weekend
[09:12] <Laney> well, bivvying
[09:17] <seb128> had fun?
[09:17] <seb128> did you get managed to avoid the bears? ;-)
[09:18] <Laney> mostly scared of dog walkers in the morning
[09:18] <Laney> (and badgers!)
[09:56] <seb128> willcooke, Laney, do we IRC or hangout?
[09:56] <willcooke> seb128, I'm easy.  I think HO might be faster though?
[09:57] <seb128> k, let me find a quiet room then
[09:57] <willcooke> seb128, if it's easier for you to IRC, we can do that
[09:57] <seb128> no, hangout is fine
[09:57] <seb128> I just need to move next room with the laptop, it's easy enough ;-)
[09:59] <Laney> where are you?!?!?!
[10:00] <seb128> on my way
[10:01] <Laney> no I meant what kind of noisy place are you in :P
[10:01] <seb128> oh, not noisy, just co-working with somebody else
[10:01] <seb128> so I don't want to be speaking/disturbing
[10:02] <Laney> interesting
[10:02] <Laney> you go to a coworking place?
[10:02]  * Laney joins the hangout instead..
[10:02] <seb128> no, just meet with friends sometimes at ourplaces
[10:11] <Sweet5hark1> moin
[10:14] <Sweet5hark1> pitti: yeah, I found that only fail on that machine (running in a VM) -- I got an image created on another machine. Dunno, if its being in a VM, network settings or something else that caused trouble there ...
[10:14] <pitti> Sweet5hark1: ah, nested qemu? what was the error you got?
[10:16] <Sweet5hark1> pitti: timeout when setting up the image -- it was looping in some apt install runs claiming "the following packages will be REMOVED by this: <...>" with <...> being a single or a handful different packages each time
[10:17] <pitti> Sweet5hark1: ah, that sounds like the kind of fun you get with nested QEMU indeed; what's your host release?
[10:17] <pitti> Sweet5hark1: I found that xenial-on-xenial with "-cpu host" works reasonably well
[10:17] <pitti> but nested qemu in trusty's qemu less so
[10:18] <Sweet5hark1> pitti: maybe it was in some kind of dependency hell.
[10:20] <seb128> Sweet5hark1, hey! had a good w.e?
[10:20] <Sweet5hark1> pitti: that was a adt-run trying to get a xenial image on xenial. The outer xenial is a VirtualBox VM running on a non Ubuntu-system as a host (that _should_ be isolated though shouldnt it).
[10:21] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: yes, weekend was pretty nice. Was window shopping for an ebike ;)
[10:21] <pitti> Sweet5hark1: ah, so you don't even have kvm in the inner QEMU -- that's going to be glacially slow..
[10:22] <seb128> Sweet5hark1, nice!
[10:28] <seb128> Sweet5hark1, getting anywhere with the autopkgtest issues?
[10:28] <seb128> if you are confident it's an issue with the setup and not libreoffice we might override while you continue debugging?
[10:28] <seb128> not point blocking 5.1 while you debug infra issues
[10:30] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: its some kind of infrastructure issue (if you include e.g. 'autopkgtests are missing deps' in that). I ran the tests outside adt-run and they completed fine.
[10:30] <seb128> Laney, pitti, ^ wdyt about unblocking libreoffice?
[10:31] <pitti> can do -- I'd force-badtest it, as it blocks a lot of other packages too
[10:31] <pitti> but like that you won't notice if some other package update breaks LibO, so better fix them again :)
[10:32] <pitti> Sweet5hark1: I can give you access to an affected instance if you need to (but should be fairly easy to reproduce locally)
[10:35] <Sweet5hark1> pitti: yeah, Im running adt-run on native hardware now -- lets see how that goes ... so: no, not wanting access to that box (yet).
[10:37] <Sweet5hark1> pitti, seb128: as the error message is pretty much a top level "cant find hsqldb1.8.0", the fun part will be tracking that though 20 abstraction layers in libreoffice to the original root cause ...
[10:49] <Sweet5hark1> pitti: hmm, running libreoffice tests on either wily or xenial break with "no space left on device" locally. Is there a convenient way to resize the image?
[10:56] <pitti> Sweet5hark1: ah, yes, sorry -- add "-s 50" to the adt-buildvm-ubuntu-cloud invocation
[10:56] <pitti> that'll increase it by 50 GB
[10:56] <pitti> and it's qcow2, so it should only grow to what it actually uses
[10:56] <Sweet5hark1> pitti: ah, thanks.
[10:56]  * Sweet5hark1 rebuilds images
[10:57] <pitti> Sweet5hark1: I'll check here what actual difference that makes, I could just bump the default
[11:07] <seb128> Laney, want to take on 1545308?
[11:07] <seb128> bug #1545308
[11:07] <ubot5`> bug 1545308 in glib2.0 (Ubuntu) "Backport upstream fix for memleak" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1545308
[11:08] <pitti> qemu-img: The new size must be a multiple of 512
[11:08] <pitti> Sweet5hark1: ^ sorry, -s 50 doesn't seem to work, hang on
[11:09] <pitti> (it used to in the past, meh)
[11:09] <Sweet5hark1> pitti: k, thanks for the heads-up
[11:09] <pitti> Sweet5hark1: argh, of course -- "-s 50G", not "-s 50"
[11:10] <pitti> 50 bytes won't help much
[11:10] <pitti> Sweet5hark1: either way, I'll make that the new default
[11:10] <Sweet5hark1> pitti: hah, I even wrote that intuitively and then "corrected" it to "-s 50" ;)
[11:11] <pitti> --help even shows "default: 4G"
[11:14] <Laney> seb128: could do
[11:14] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[11:15] <Laney> not so many fixes in that branch for a bugfix release
[11:16] <Laney> anyone running wily ?
[11:16] <Laney> verify the gstreamer srus please :)
[11:18] <seb128> I don't have wily installs here, but if we don't find anyone I'm going to give a round of VM testing (but likely after feature freeze)
[11:18] <seb128> pitti, we got a bug about the evolution translations missing, I reassigned to langpack-o-matic so I'm unsure if that's correct? bug #1545212
[11:18] <ubot5`> bug 1545212 in langpack-o-matic "Evolution 3.18.4 package does not include translations" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1545212
[11:21] <desrt> greetings desktop peeps
[11:22] <Sweet5hark1> pitti: mirrors not playing nicely with U+1/proposed and autopkgtests? http://pastebin.com/9Z4bq4sd
[11:23] <seb128> hey desrt!
[11:23] <seb128> desrt, had a good w.e?
[11:23] <seb128> desrt, in what tz are you this week?
[11:23] <desrt> still having it, in fact ;)
[11:23] <seb128> oh, right
[11:23] <desrt> back in America/Toronto :)
[11:23] <seb128> today is an holiday for you
[11:23]  * Sweet5hark1 giigles
[11:23] <desrt> but trying to hold on to the favourable jetlag
[11:23] <seb128> desrt, early to wake up on a VAC day ;-)
[11:23] <seb128> right
[11:24]  * Sweet5hark1 wonders if one can engineer an all-holiday workyear by jetsetting.
[11:24] <Sweet5hark1> would be exhausting though, I assume.
[11:26] <pitti> Sweet5hark1: rather looks like networking is broken in your VM somehow?
[11:26]  * desrt prepares the syringe^Wfrench press
[11:27] <Sweet5hark1> pitti: thats running on native hardware and e.g. wily images seem to be happy ...
[11:36] <Sweet5hark1> pitti: hmmm, "adt-run --shell libreoffice -- --apt-pocket=proposed --- qemu adt-xenial-amd64-cloud.img" aborts before I get a shell and leaving out "libreoffice" does make adt-run unhappy.
[11:39] <pitti> Sweet5hark1: oh, you need to add -U too, and no --
[11:39] <pitti> adt-run --apt-pocket=proposed -U --shell libreoffice --- qemu adt-xenial-amd64-cloud.img
[11:41] <Sweet5hark1> pitti: still throws me out before I have a shell. (pinging archive.ubuntu.com works just fine from the wily host system btw_
[12:18] <pitti> Sweet5hark1: can you run: qemu-system-x86_64 -enable-kvm -m 2048 adt-xenial-amd64-cloud.img -snapshot
[12:19] <pitti> Sweet5hark1: then log in (ubuntu/ubuntu) and look what's wrong with the network config?
[12:19] <pitti> Sweet5hark1: sorry, I've never heard about that kind of problem before, so I don't have some helpful hint right now
[12:19] <pitti> Sweet5hark1: note that "ping" doesn't work in qemu, so use "wget -O- http://archive.ubuntu.com" or so
[12:19] <pitti> or just apt-get pudate
[12:21] <ogra_> the pu date !
[12:21] <Sweet5hark1> pitti: hmmm, /etc/resolv.conf is empty (except for comments). I assume it shouldnt?
[12:22] <pitti> Sweet5hark1: right, it shouldn't be; is it a link to /run/resolvconf ?
[12:22] <pitti> Sweet5hark1: what does 'ip a' say, do you even have an interface that's up?
[12:23] <Sweet5hark1> pitti: to ../run/resolvconf/resolv.conf and yeah, ifconfig shows I only have a lo ethernet interface ...
[12:23] <Sweet5hark1> (very secure system, that.)
[12:24] <pitti> Sweet5hark1: you mean you have *no* ethernet interface at all? not even a "down" one?
[12:24] <pitti> you should have an "ens3"
[12:25] <pitti> or perhaps eth0 (depending on the qemu version/config) -- do you have any kind of custom qemu configuration somewhere?
[12:25] <Sweet5hark1> oh, "ip a" shows I have a ens3, which is down
[12:26] <pitti> Sweet5hark1: do you have /etc/network/interfaces.d/ens3.cfg ? or any file in that dir?
[12:27] <pitti> Sweet5hark1: it sounds like the setup-testbed script failed early on, before it got to setting up that stuff
[12:27] <Sweet5hark1> pitti: does this mean it has the physical eth0 from the host (which is unplugged, as I use wifi for connectivity?)
[12:28] <pitti> Sweet5hark1: can you add -v to the adt-buildvm-ubuntu-cloud command line, and copy&paste the output? I figure there's an error message somewhere
[12:28] <pitti> Sweet5hark1: no, qemu emulates network interfaces for the guest
[12:28] <pitti> Sweet5hark1: btw, to speed this up: please do this:
[12:29] <pitti> cd /tmp/
[12:29] <pitti> wget http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/xenial/current/xenial-server-cloudimg-amd64-disk1.img
[12:29] <pitti> ln -s . current
[12:29] <pitti> ln -s . xenial
[12:29] <pitti> adt-buildvm-ubuntu-cloud -o /tmp -v --cloud-image-url=file:///tmp/
[12:29] <pitti> Sweet5hark1: ^ this will download  the image only once, adn adt-buildvm-ubuntu-cloud will then take it from /tmp/
[12:29] <pitti> much faster for several iterations
[12:29] <Sweet5hark1> pitti: /etc/networ/interfaces.d has no ens3.cfg ... but it has a eth0.cfg (and dmesg ens3.cfg was renamed from eth0)
[12:30] <pitti> Sweet5hark1: what's the version of your autopkgtest package?
[12:31] <Sweet5hark1> pitti: on the host or in the image?
[12:31] <pitti> Sweet5hark1: it doesn't exist on the image; on the host (where you run adt-buildvm-ubuntu-cloud)
[12:32] <Sweet5hark1> pitti: host: 3.17.4 on wily
[12:32] <pitti> aah
[12:32] <pitti> Sweet5hark1: please upgrade to the xenial one
[12:32] <pitti> Sweet5hark1: cloud images and cloud-init changed the network config like three times, the wily version was before that
[12:32] <pitti> autopkgtest | 3.19.2~ubuntu15.10.1 | wily-backports   | source, all
[12:33] <pitti> Sweet5hark1: ^ this should be fine
[12:33] <Sweet5hark1> pitti: k, will do
[12:33] <pitti> ok, next time I'll ask for the version first :)
[12:38] <Sweet5hark1> pitti: ;) -- do I need to recreate the images now?
[12:38] <pitti> Sweet5hark1: yes, as they are broken
[12:38] <Sweet5hark1> pitti: k, willdo
[12:38] <pitti> Sweet5hark1: well, you could manually fix them, by changing eth0 to ens3 in the ifupdown config, if you prefer
[12:40] <Sweet5hark1> pitti: when debugging a "works fine on the desktop, doesnt work in the test-env" issue, whatever I find in a "testenv that I turned the bowels upsidedown" will likely not help me much (might even be misleading)
[12:40]  * Sweet5hark1 recreates images.
[12:40] <Sweet5hark1> pitti: thanks for the hints
[13:15] <flocculant> anyone of you wonderful desktop peeps listening to music while you work in xenial? do you have issues with cd's from rhythmbox ? real outlier - anyone use clementine? if so is it working for you :)
[13:16] <flocculant> I obviously assume that you all whistle while you work ;)
[13:24] <seb128> flocculant, you mean "CD" like the physical media rotating in the drive and making your laptop vibrate and make noise?
[13:24] <seb128> or do you mean listing the digital format albums in rb?
[13:26] <seb128> oh, and does your question is what is suggest, that you use clementine and have issue and are asking if we get the same ones in rb? if so did you try rb yourself?
[13:55] <ngaio> can someone please help me assign bug #1545450 to the correct package? It's a serious or even critical bug in 16.04.
[13:55] <ubot5`> bug 1545450 in unity (Ubuntu) "Severe Qt visual corruption with default Qt theme under Unity" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1545450
[14:00] <willcooke> Trevinho, seb128 - any ideas?  ^
[14:09] <Sweet5hark1> pitti: \o/ can reproduce the error in adt-run.
[14:09] <seb128> ngaio, willcooke, yeah, seems like an old bug
[14:12] <seb128> ngaio, willcooke, it doesn't do it if OVERLAY_SCROLLBAR=0 is set
[14:14] <ngaio> seb128, where / how do I set OVERLAY_SCROLLBAR=0 ?
[14:14] <seb128> ngaio, "OVERLAY_SCROLLBAR=0 vlc
[14:14] <seb128> sorry
[14:15] <seb128> LIBOVERLAY_SCROLLBAR=0
[14:17] <ngaio> that fixes it for me too
[14:34] <flocculant> seb128: I don't have anything as archaic as a cd player - but bug 1539700 appears that others are seeing what I am seeing with clementine bug 1537184
[14:34] <ubot5`> bug 1539700 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) "Audio cd's play with background buzzing" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1539700
[14:34] <ubot5`> bug 1537184 in clementine (Ubuntu) "'Buzzing' during playback" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1537184
[14:35] <flocculant> hard to be precise but iirc - the clementine issue appeared shortly after a gstreamer update in January - I tend to leave things with clementine for a while as I use the dev version of it
[14:35] <flocculant> if I use alsa instead of pulse - works fine
[14:39] <seb128> flocculant, I don't get the issue here, but it looks like it's something worth keeping an eye on
[14:40] <willcooke> trying to find an audio cd....
[14:40] <flocculant> seb128: thanks for looking :)
[14:40] <willcooke> seb128, flocculant - yeah, same issue here
[14:40] <flocculant> willcooke: thank the lord ... thought I was going nuttier :)
[14:40] <willcooke> sounds like a sample rate thinh
[14:40] <willcooke> thing
[14:41] <seb128> do you get this on any file?
[14:41] <flocculant> willcooke: in clementine I fiddled with sample rates - no change
[14:41] <seb128> willcooke, using rb?
[14:41] <flocculant> installed gstreamer.blah-alsa and use that and all is back to normal
[14:42] <flocculant> seb128: any sound file that I have - ranging from mp3 to flac
[14:42] <seb128> k, I don't get it here
[14:42] <seb128> flocculant, how do you "use that"?
[14:42] <willcooke> seb128, this is on my Inspirion with an external dvd/cd writer
[14:42] <willcooke> with an install from daily on Friday
[14:42] <seb128> willcooke, I don't think there is a need for medias, mp3 on disk should do it
[14:43] <seb128> the use of "cd" was confusing in the question
[14:43] <willcooke> ahh
[14:43] <flocculant> seb128: not sure what you mean by "how do you "use that"?"
[14:43] <willcooke> TheMuso uploaded a new Pulse the other day I think
[14:43] <seb128> flocculant, <flocculant> installed gstreamer.blah-alsa and use that and all is back to normal
[14:43] <seb128> flocculant, how do you tell it to use alsa?
[14:44] <flocculant> oic - choose alsa playback in clementine preferences
[14:44] <seb128> willcooke, yeah, the new pulse is from feb 11 but those reports are from january
[14:44] <seb128> flocculant, I see
[14:45] <flocculant> seb128: I also tried changing sample rate there alone and in conjunction - just appears to be pulse playback
[14:45] <flocculant> seb128 willcooke - what I did find that it's only file playback in clementine which fails - any other player and it's ok - main reason I flagged it recently here is rhythmbox cd playback also falls over
[14:46] <seb128> flocculant, willcooke, does "gst-launch-1.0 audiotestsrc ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! pulsesink" have buzzing issues for you?
[14:46] <seb128> flocculant, what do you call "cd playback"?
[14:46] <seb128> flocculant, you mean it doesn't happen on single song playback?
[14:47] <flocculant> no buzzing with that
[14:47] <flocculant> seb128: playing an audio cd - but I'm just repeating other people's issues there - don't have one available personally
[14:48] <flocculant> which is the 1539700 bug ^^
[14:49] <seb128> flocculant, it's still confusing to me, do you get the issue at all or are you repeating reports from others?
[14:49] <flocculant> seb128: I get the issue with clementine
[14:49] <seb128> flocculant, but not with rhythmbox?
[14:49] <flocculant> nope
[14:50] <seb128> flocculant, willcooke, does "gst-launch-1.0 playbin uri=file:///tmp/song.mp3" buzz for you?
[14:50] <seb128> where /tmp/song.mp3 is a song you copied
[14:50] <flocculant> seb128: nor amarok/audacious/exaile/banshee
[14:51] <flocculant> seb128: that plays fine
[14:52] <flocculant> seb128: I'm just talking about the rhythmbox audio cd issue because it "appears" to be the same issue
[14:52] <seb128> ah
[14:53] <seb128> flocculant, it happens if you have crossfade enabled in rb -> preferences -> playback
[14:53] <seb128> not without it
[14:53] <seb128> that wouldn't be the first time crossfading creates issues
[14:53] <flocculant> :)
[14:54] <seb128> can you confirm?
[14:55] <flocculant> trying to
[14:55] <flocculant> had to install it first :D
[14:56] <flocculant> yup
[14:56] <flocculant> had to restart rhythmbox
[15:04] <pitti> didrocks: FYI: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration/AutopkgtestInfrastructure?action=diff&rev2=55&rev1=54 (in case you need this for u-make)
[15:06] <didrocks> pitti: thx! (but no, I don't really need it as I have some options already to take from the ppa/archive, I don't want to build it locally first)
[15:06] <pitti> didrocks: ack; I need it for doing tests for upstream systemd PPAs, so I just added that
[15:06] <pitti> err, s/PPAs/PRs/
[15:07] <xnox> doko, libgfortran3 : Depends: gcc-5-base (= 5.3.1-5ubuntu3) but 5.3.1-7ubuntu1 is to be installed => looks odd in many ways.
[15:07] <xnox> i'll wait/try to find -8ubuntu3 stuff.
[15:07] <didrocks> pitti: making sense!
[15:08] <xnox> doko, wait, i think i have missmatched mirrors.
[15:10] <flocculant> seb128 willcooke - so I removed gstreamer1.0-plugin-base from a vm - installed the wily version and clementine worked as expected, upgraded to the current xenial version and it did the 'buzzy' thing
[15:11] <seb128> flocculant, willcooke, yeah, I just hit the same conclusion
[15:12] <flocculant> seb128: you want me to comment on bug?  a.
[15:13] <rickspencer3> hey all, I have new laptop running Xenial, and I am getting 5-10 freezes per day
[15:13] <rickspencer3> it has Intel® Bay Trail graphics
[15:13] <rickspencer3> thoughts wrt debugging?
[15:13] <seb128> rickspencer3, do you have any bt or gpu hand report in xorg.0.log/syslog?
[15:13] <seb128> tjaalton, ^
[15:15] <rickspencer3> seb128, something like>
[15:15] <rickspencer3> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15075038/
[15:15] <rickspencer3> ?
[15:15] <rickspencer3> there are a few of them lying around
[15:15] <tjaalton> that looks normal
[15:15] <seb128> rickspencer3, that log has no backtrace/error that I can tell
[15:16] <tjaalton> but if it's a system freeze then there probably aren't any logs from it
[15:16] <rickspencer3> let me look at some others
[15:16] <rickspencer3> the .old one looks the same
[15:17] <rickspencer3> I put it here just in case: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15075065/
[15:17] <seb128> rickspencer3, no :-/
[15:17] <tjaalton> to rule out if the intel x driver is to blame, you might move it aside so it'll pick up the fallback driver instead ("modesetting")
[15:18] <seb128> is the system freezing?
[15:18] <seb128> e.g can you ctrl-alt-f1 to a vt?
[15:18] <flocculant> willcooke: ftr it took a restart of rhythmbox for crossfading to cause me problem
[15:18] <tjaalton> so, move /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so somewhere
[15:19] <seb128> tjaalton, is that going to mean software rendering and slow/more cpu usage?
[15:19] <tjaalton> no, it'll still use the actual dri driver for opengl
[15:19] <seb128> k
[15:21] <rickspencer3> tjaalton, so I did thisL
[15:21] <rickspencer3> udo mv  /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so  /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so.backup
[15:21] <rickspencer3> now I just reboot and use the computer until it freezes again, or doesn't?
[15:21] <tjaalton> right
[15:26] <rickspencer3> for anyone monitoring my network activity, I am watching netflix purely as a test, it's work ;)
[15:26] <seb128> lol
[15:27] <willcooke> seb128, bug #1545764
[15:27] <ubot5`> bug 1545764 in gstreamer1.0 (Ubuntu) "Playing a CD in Rhythmbox with cross fading on crashes rb" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1545764
[15:27] <seb128> willcooke, thanks
[15:27] <didrocks> (and using that to catchup on series you were lagging on :p)
[15:27] <willcooke> nw
[15:27] <seb128> no backtrace there though :-/
[15:28] <willcooke> urgh, one sec...
[15:33] <seb128> willcooke, I can confirm, don't bother with getting the bt I can do it
[15:33] <willcooke> seb128, oh, cool, thank yoiu
[15:44] <flocculant> seb128 willcooke - thanks for the help and time here :)
[15:45] <willcooke> flocculant, thanks for the report :)
[15:45] <flocculant> willcooke: yw :)
[15:46] <flocculant> willcooke: probably would have left it longer to see if it hadn't been an LTS looming tbh - glad I didn't now :)
[15:46] <willcooke> :) me too
[15:46] <flocculant> hah
[15:50] <rickspencer3> tjaalton, fwiw, hasn't frozen yet
[15:56] <rickspencer3__> tjaalton, so, it froze exactly one minute later
[15:56] <rickspencer3__> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15075734/
[16:23] <robert_ancell> willcooke, around?
[16:24] <willcooke> robert_ancell, hey
[16:24] <robert_ancell> can you help get https://bugs.launchpad.net/rnr-server/+bug/1540635 solved?
[16:24] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1540635 in Ratings and Reviews server " The 2 hour limit for review editing should be removed (for .deb apps)" [Undecided,Won't fix]
[16:25] <seb128> hey robert_ancell!
[16:25] <robert_ancell> seb128, hi
[16:26] <seb128> Laney, if you update eog for ubuntu as well can you include https://git.gnome.org/browse/eog/commit/?id=fbc11280 ?
[16:26] <seb128> it's lp #1247800
[16:26] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1247800 in eog (Ubuntu) "Picture displayed with noise in EOG" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1247800
[16:27] <Laney> why isn't it on the stable branch
[16:27] <seb128> (sorry, just saw the #debian-gnome backlog)
[16:27] <seb128> that's a good question
[16:28] <seb128> though there is a recent comment about performances
[16:28] <seb128> so maybe not such a good idea to backport
[16:28] <seb128> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QddT0tQsXRQ&feature=youtu.be
[16:28] <Laney> looks like this makes performance bad
[16:28] <Laney> :)
[16:29] <seb128> yeah
[16:29] <seb128> that comment was not there this morning when I read the bug (was in my backlog from the w.e)
[16:29] <seb128> let's wait for them to sort it out then
[16:29] <seb128> sorry for the noise ;-)
[16:30] <Laney> heh
[16:46] <doko> Laney, seb128, willcooke: please could you write a MIR (and subscribe to) nuget, new b-d of nunit?
[16:48] <seb128> doko, can you take bug #1538173 in exchange? ;-)
[16:48] <ubot5`> bug 1538173 in fonttools (Ubuntu) "[MIR] fonttools" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1538173
[16:50] <doko> seb128, why? it's b-d of a desktop package
[16:51] <seb128> doko, we don't own the fonts rendering stack afaik
[16:52] <doko> seb128, b-d of graphite2, owned by the desktop team. and I still remember various fontconfig uploads by the desktop team during freeze times ...
[16:52] <Laney> if you want to play this game
[16:52] <doko> so, you are wrong
[16:52] <Laney> nuget <- nunit <- nant <- antlr
[16:52] <Laney> so bye
[16:52] <seb128> right, I was going to say
[16:54] <Laney> that's going to be a fun MIR
[16:54] <doko> Laney, using this schema you can push everything to foundations
[16:54] <seb128> doko, the main reason I've been uploading fontconfig is because it was not being updated otherwise, e.g trying to help
[16:55] <seb128> but it was maintained by slangasek and stgraber before
[16:55] <seb128> anyway, no point debating those details
[16:55] <seb128> can we just split those and share the load?
[16:56] <seb128> otherwise I guess it's something for willcooke & slangasek to discuss once Steve is back
[16:56] <Laney> nuget is an upstream package manager thing
[16:56] <Laney> don't know what the way out of that is
[16:56] <Laney> apart from the xnox proposal
[16:56] <doko> which will come a bit late
[16:56] <willcooke> which is now+4 weeks away, so I think let's be pragmatic and share the love
[16:56] <xnox> hm?
[16:56] <seb128> willcooke, right, my though as well
[16:56] <Laney> it's like miring npm or pip
[16:57] <doko> yep, and we tend to have these in main too
[16:57] <doko> willcooke, was this volunteering to do +1 maintenance for the next four weeks? ;)
[16:58] <xnox> seb128, you can always pull in ogasawara as a slangasek substitute for the time being.
[16:59] <xnox> MIRs are interesting.
[16:59] <xnox> i believe a own a few "pre-promoted" or missmatched MIRs.
[16:59]  * xnox looks at nuget
[17:00]  * xnox sees description of apt
[17:00]  * xnox is confused
[17:00] <Laney> this is how software works these days
[17:01] <xnox> yeap. it looks like a c# / .net maven equivalent.
[17:01]  * xnox *sigh*
[17:01] <seb128> (on +1 we are doing our share, some of us keep an eye on the proposed migration and transitions and help on regular basis)
[17:02] <Laney> anyway it's a build system tool, so xnox's proposal is approved™ and we can just promote it, right? :)
[17:03] <doko> Laney, did you check that it won't end up as a runtime dependency?
[17:03] <xnox> Laney, well xnox proposal is blocked on solving doko's nacks, e.g. having check-mir in excuses.
[17:04] <k1l_> seb128: hi. i filed bug #1545556 with windowbutton placement on gedit on 16.04
[17:04] <ubot5`> bug 1545556 in gedit (Ubuntu) "ubuntu 16.04: window buttons of gedit are placed on the right side" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1545556
[17:04] <willcooke> rickspencer3, are your freeze's just when using Chrome, or all the time?  And do you have to power off and back on to recover?  Not seeing anything suspect in that log
[17:04] <rickspencer3> willcooke, all the time
[17:04] <rickspencer3> really random
[17:04] <doko> xnox, such discussions should happen in -devel, not in some secluded channel
[17:04] <rickspencer3> willcooke, yes, I have to do a hard reboot
[17:05] <rickspencer3> willcooke, sometimes it happens after 5 minutes of use, sometimes closer to an hour
[17:05] <xnox> doko, i'm yet to form a response to the generated feedback on -devel. first day back, so catching up.
[17:05] <Laney> well
[17:05] <Laney> it's a waste of time to have arguments about promoting this build tool
[17:05] <Laney> if we are going to allow it eventually anyway
[17:06] <xnox> Laney, fyi, things in my proposal are the b-d's are not promoted, but stay in universe.
[17:06] <Laney> like under the current MIR policy the s-ecurity team will definitely have issues with it
[17:06] <k1l_> seb128: i have my system running in german, so i am not sure about the correct namings, but its this setting: "show the menus for a window" http://sourcedigit.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Appearance-Appearance.jpg
[17:06] <xnox> it's just they are allowed, and e.g. would be demoted back to universe, if it doesn't generate runtime deps.
[17:06] <Laney> xnox: not implemented though
[17:06] <xnox> right.
[17:08] <willcooke> rickspencer3, humm, could you send me a kern.log?
[17:08] <rickspencer3> willcooke, yeah, hold on
[17:08]  * rickspencer3 switches computers
[17:09] <tjaalton> rickspencer3: do you have to reboot when it happens? dmesg might have something if not. but it's a kernel bug if the system dies
[17:10] <rickspencer3> tjaalton, willcooke I am getting the kernel.log now
[17:10] <rickspencer3> all I can say is that the system totally freezes and I have to do a hard reboot
[17:10] <rickspencer3> I can't get to VT1 or anything
[17:10] <rickspencer3> I suppose I could install ssh and try to ssh into it the next time it happens
[17:11] <willcooke> rickspencer3, you could just try pinging it first, but I expect it's dead dead.
[17:11] <rickspencer3> sure
[17:12] <rickspencer3> here is my kernel.log
[17:12] <seb128> k1l_, does unity-settings-daemon hit an error when you enable that option?
[17:13] <seb128> k1l_, it looks like it does, your menu is not where it should it's not in the titlebar
[17:13] <rickspencer3> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15077887/
[17:13] <rickspencer3> I think the last lock up was at 10:51
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[17:14] <ogra_> ascii-art !
[17:14] <rickspencer3> oh, so sorry
[17:14] <rickspencer3> did not mean to paste that
[17:16] <rickspencer3> according to jockey, my device is "Using Processor microcode firmware for Intel CPUs from intel-microcode (proprietary)
[17:16] <rickspencer3> fwiw
[17:16] <k1l_> seb128: i dont get an error. and another user made a fresh install, switched that setting and then the windowbuttons went to the right side too.
[17:19] <tjaalton> rickspencer3: it manages to write a bit of garbage before dying. needs kernel bisect to find out the culprit...
[17:21] <seb128> k1l_, weird, well there is something wrong with unity-settings-daemon for you and that another user, can you add the ~/.cache/upstart/unity-settings-daemon.log to the bug?
[17:21] <willcooke> rickspencer3, would you mind opening a bug and we can see if the kernel team are able to advise further?
[17:22] <rickspencer3> willcooke, np
[17:22] <rickspencer3> tjaalton, just tell me how I can help, otherwise, I'll sit tight and expect that it will get fixed in the fullness of time
[17:26] <k1l_> seb128: it includes only entries for cups stuff for 2 apps: (unity-settings-daemon:2402): color-plugin-WARNING **: failed to connect to device: Failed to connect to missing device /org/freedesktop/ColorManager/devices/cups_Roger_Router_Fax      and the cups_hp_laserjet
[17:27] <seb128> k1l_, what's the status of unity-settings-daemon? "ps axu | grep unity-settings-daemon"?
[17:28] <k1l_> seb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15078361/
[17:28] <seb128> k1l_, k, weird
[17:29] <seb128> I don't know what's going on, it's like you were loosing the xsettings integration
[17:31] <tjaalton> rickspencer3: you could try a newer mainline build to see if it's fixed in 4.5rc or drm-intel-next branch. google for mainline ppa
[17:33] <tjaalton> and file a bug to track it. is there a reliable way to repro or is just idling enough?
[17:33] <k1l_> seb128: yeah. to me it looks like that menu switch triggers something which breaks the buttons placement. but i dont know anything about gtk or such :/
[17:36] <seb128> k1l_, well, unity-settings-daemon is the piece which watch the config and do the actual changes, and it looks like it stop doing its job for you when you trigger that option
[17:37] <seb128> k1l_, can you do "stop unity-settings-daemon" then start it manually with "/usr/lib/unity-settings-daemon/unity-settings-daemon" and see if there is an error displayed?
[17:38] <k1l_> stop works. i have old themes and icons
[17:38] <ogra_> welcome to 1995
[17:39] <k1l_> seb128: no error
[17:39] <seb128> but the decorations are on the wrong side?
[17:39] <k1l_> on gedit, yes
[17:40] <seb128> and do you still get the menu under the decoration like on your screenshot?
[17:40] <seb128> for e.g unity-control-center
[17:42] <rickspencer3> tjaalton, I have not found a way to repro it
[17:42] <rickspencer3> just using it for long enough :/
[17:44] <k1l_> seb128: that image was just an image from google to show the english namings.
[17:45] <k1l_> sorry if that was missleading :/
[17:46] <seb128> k1l_, yes, it was
[17:46] <seb128> no worry
[17:48] <seb128> k1l_, can you make a screenshot with the settings panel and gedit open?
[17:51] <k1l_> seb128:  http://i.imgur.com/OLsYois.jpg
[17:51] <seb128> k1l_, there is no gedit/decoration on the right there?
[17:52] <k1l_> seb128: did a "start unity-settings-daemon" and now changing themes doenst change the black titelbars.
[17:52] <k1l_> seb128: sorry, didnt open gedit ...
[17:52] <seb128> yeah, that's a known bug, that's fixed with a session restart
[17:53] <k1l_> wait, now they are on the left again on gedit
[17:54] <k1l_> seb128: http://i.imgur.com/cSTg6xN.jpg
[17:55] <seb128> k1l_, no bug there ;-)
[17:55] <ogra_> you were just holding it wrong ;)
[17:56] <seb128> ngaio, willcooke, k, I found the issue with vlc/o-s, Mirv removed the patch to disable those thinking o-s are deprecated, but they are still there for gtk2 and it creates the issue, the patch needs to be restored in qtbase-opensource-src
[17:57] <k1l_> ok. switching that menu doesnt make them go right again. i wonder what happens after a relogin
[17:58] <seb128> ngaio, willcooke, Mirv, bug #1531516 updated
[17:58] <ubot5`> bug 1531516 in qtbase-opensource-src (Ubuntu) "qt5/gtk integration needs to disable overlay-scrollbars since they create issues" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1531516
[17:58] <willcooke> thank you seb128
[17:58] <seb128> yw
[18:06] <k1l_> seb128: ok. after a reboot and setting other icons the windowbuttons keep on the left side. even when i switch that menu again.
[18:18] <Laney> see you!
[18:19] <willcooke> cya Laney
[18:23] <seb128> have a good evening
[19:06] <willcooke> g'night all
[20:43] <Mirv> updated the bug too, feel free to upload qtbase ubuntu3 if you're in such a timezone you have time to look at it


[10:55] <xhypno> HrdwrBob: what services did you remove after the custom install, and what size partitions did you use?
[10:55] <moped> I was wondering I have 2 harddrives and i just formated one and put ubuntu on it but the other one has all my stuff but with windows xp is there a way to acces that hdd from ubuntu
[10:55] <sensebend> you too
[10:55] <sensebend> what area of Ontario?
[10:55] <UnderPar> thanks
[10:55] <zerokarmaleft> jintonic, horizontal scan range = 28kHz - 61kHz, vertical scan range = 48Hz - 75Hz
[10:55] <UnderPar> Barrie
[10:55] <kebac> moped: there is, but you cant write ntfs with ubuntu
[10:55] <sensebend> I reside near Orangeville
[10:55] <moped> i live in london ontario
[10:55] <UnderPar> damm we are neighbors
[10:56] <HrdwrBoB> xhypno: ubuntu runs no listening services by default
[10:56] <HrdwrBoB> so eh
[10:56] <sensebend> I met someone in another room who lives down the street from me
[10:56] <sensebend> the other day
[10:56] <moped> lol
[10:56] <UnderPar> small world
[10:56] <moped> ya
[10:56] <sensebend> on the same Cable node in fact
[10:56] <UnderPar> were they also using ubuntu
[10:56] <zenrox> lol
[10:56] <sensebend> no
[10:56] <UnderPar> :)
[10:56] <xhypno> HrdwrBob: what did you do to activate them
[10:56] <krix> hmhm
[10:57] <sensebend> it was kinda creepy
[10:57] <moped> hey can u guys help me with something i just installed ubuntu last night
[10:57] <moped> I was wondering I have 2 harddrives and i just formated one and put ubuntu on it but the other one has all my stuff but with windows xp is there a way to acces that hdd from ubuntu
[10:57] <krix> so anyone knows why xorg writes to me for Load "glx" that -> no such module "glx" ???
[10:57] <UnderPar> hey does anyone know how to set java up to work with Firefox/Mozilla
[10:57] <krix> i installed nvidia-sources nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common
[10:57] <UnderPar> i just installed it 5 mins ago :)
[10:57] <krix> did a m-a a-i nvidia
[10:57] <sensebend> UnderPar, follow the guide at http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[10:57] <krix> Uncommented xorg.conf Load "glx" lines
[10:57] <UnderPar> ah ok thanks
[10:57] <sensebend> it works well
[10:57] <krix> and rewrite nv -> nvidia
[10:58] <kebac> moped: already answered
[10:58] <krix> then i restarted the whole xorg server
[10:58] <krix> nvidia logo shows
[10:58] <krix> but GLX extension not loaded.
[10:58] <zerokarmaleft> moped, follow the guide for mounting ntfs/fat partitions at http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[10:58] <krix> (II) LoadModule: "glx"
[10:58] <krix> (WW) Warning, couldn't open module glx
[10:58] <krix> (EE) Failed to load module "glx" (module does not exist, 0)
[10:58] <krix> please please. Somebody say something :)
[11:00] <tmccrary> I have the same problem
[11:00] <krix> tmccrary, i'm happy :)
[11:00] <tmccrary> ubuntu SUCKS at proprietary stuff (debian inheritance, i guess)
[11:00] <krix> btw some ubuntu developer on this channel? :)
[11:01] <krix> or somebody say some workaroung please
[11:01] <housetier> the simple approach: don't use xorg
[11:01] <krix> housetier, this isn't an xorg base bug
[11:01] <krix> i'm running fine on other distros xorg6.8.1 with nvidia driver load glx :)
[11:02] <zombics> when i am trying to compile  program(./configure) it tells me configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.2) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[11:03] <housetier> zombics you need some qt-dev package
[11:03] <housetier> I don't know the exact package name but it should end in "-dev", might be libqt-dev or so
[11:03] <LucidVisions> Ok,fleece: If you are, you have to register with the lab http://www.osdl.org/
[11:03] <siimo> anyone here use ubuntu or debian testing/unstable and an AMD cpu with SSE support and want to help me by testing my Firefox CVS build optimized for athlon-xp's works on these distro's ?
[11:04] <LucidVisions> you will love it, youll see many of the major players in the linux worl
[11:04] <zombics> it was probebly libqt3-dev thx :)
[11:04] <siimo> all i want to check is if it runs
[11:04] <LucidVisions> Some of us love to burn some,and kick it there. We run linux cluster app
[11:04] <LucidVisions> fun stuffs
[11:05] <LucidVisions> once a week
[11:05] <zenrox> ok how do i move files using scp
[11:06] <pybe-lappy> zenrox: man scp
[11:06] <LucidVisions> fleece: ive seen andrew morton, Linux Torvalds.Also some unknown players,maby even mark shuttelwotrh,haha,well maby not him,hehe
[11:06] <zenrox> pybe-lappy,  that dint help
[11:06] <pybe-lappy> zenrox: scp source dest
[11:06] <zenrox> hmm
[11:06] <zenrox> pybe-lappy, ill try that
[11:07] <pybe-lappy> zenrox: scp /home/user/blah.txt user@host:/path/to/put/blah.txt
[11:07] <LucidVisions> fleece: you should come if you are in fact 6 miles from there,thats cool. We love to have knowlegeable people hang.What do you know?
[11:07] <LucidVisions> Linux wise?
[11:08] <zombics> what's the package name of glib?
[11:09] <zombics> ther is no package that i can install that will install all i need to compile? :/
[11:09] <krix> mhmm
[11:09] <krix> i need to debug this glx bug ah :)
[11:09] <jintonic> i just tried to install the radeon 9200 driver at ati.com (which was an rpm) and it gave me the errors: cannot open packages index using db3 - no such file or directory (2) and cannot open pkgs database in /var/lib/rpm
[11:09] <pybe-lappy> zombics: apt-cache search glib maybe?
[11:10] <zenrox> thx pybe-lappy  that worked
[11:10] <pybe-lappy> zenrox: cool
[11:10] <zenrox> it helps if i ant loged in to the ssh at the same time
[11:10] <zombics> found alout of staff and i cant figure what i need to install :/
[11:11] <zombics> but still if there is a pack of all the staff i need to complie it whold be much easyer
[11:11] <housetier> zombics there is a meta package called "build-essential" that will install some essential things
[11:12] <housetier> but each and every application has different build dependencies, if you know the package name you can "apt-get build-dep <package>"
[11:14] <LucidVisions> he quit, well fleece is really missing out
[11:14] <zombics> housetier, o thx man!!!! that helped alout!
[11:24] <huttan> Anyone know how to fix java with firefox ?
[11:25] <kezz> there's a howto on the wiki i believe
[11:25] <huttan> i followed it, and it ended up with that my firefox wouldnt start
[11:25] <kezz> any error messages?
[11:26] <huttan> nope
[11:26] <huttan> just wouldnt start
[11:26] <huttan> i'll try again...
[11:26] <huttan> else i'll ask
[11:28] <eEye> Hi, there is a way to install xchat-systray on ubuntu?
[11:34] <pybe-lappy> got a dell c400 laptop had no sound and couldnt find the mini pci wifi, added pci=noacpi to the kernel line and got sound and the wifi but some other irq confilct messages on boot. Any ideas?
[11:35] <pybe-lappy> eEye: apt-cache search
[11:35] <eEye> XFce4-systray
[11:35] <eEye> ;)
[11:35] <bluefoxicy> does anyone have an estimate on how much it takes to install gnome?
[11:35] <bluefoxicy> spacewise
[11:35] <ran> hello, is there a easy way to change language in gnome? I am using English now but I like to change it to spanish.
[11:38] <kezz> ran, you could ask in #ubuntu-es somebody's bound to have done it in there
[11:38] <LucidVisions> 48mb for the base minimal gnome install
[11:38] <LucidVisions> 85 with themes and iconsets
[11:39] <LucidVisions> roughly
[11:39] <bluefoxicy> LucidVisions:  thanks
[11:39] <LucidVisions> no prob dude
[11:39] <Gul3> hi. i'm new to ubuntu and debian. i'm using synaptic to remove some of the packages that was installed but i get a warning that ubuntu-base will be removed to..? how do i get around this?
[11:39] <zombics> when i am trying to compile sim i get this error "checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.2) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!"
[11:39] <LucidVisions> gul3 its ok
[11:40] <Gul3> how could that possibly be ok?
[11:40] <LucidVisions> its a fake "dummy package"
[11:40] <siretart> Gul3: ubuntu-base is just a meta-package, it's ok
[11:40] <LucidVisions> it can be removed with no problems
[11:40] <Gul3> ok! thanks..
[11:41] <ran> hello, how do I swith to another language?
[11:41] <housetier> zombics what does "apt-cache policy libqt3-dev" report?
[11:41] <zombics> libqt3-dev:
[11:41] <zombics>   Installed: (none)
[11:41] <zombics> :O
[11:42] <housetier> I thought you had installed it
[11:42] <LucidVisions> ran,are you using gnome?
[11:43] <LucidVisions> kde has a nice spanish language package
[11:43] <LucidVisions> you can grab it with synaptic
[11:43] <zombics> same problem :/
[11:44] <zombics> libqt3-dev:   Installed: 3:3.2.3-4ubuntu1    Candidate: 3:3.2.3-4ubuntu1   Version Table:  *** 3:3.2.3-4ubuntu1 0
[11:45] <UnderPar> woot it works ;)
[11:45] <ran> LucidVisions: Yes, gnome as it comes by default in Ubuntu
[11:46] <splatta> how do i get a copy of hoary ?
[11:47] <izaac> splatta: hoary isn't released yet
[11:47] <izaac> is under heavy development
[11:47] <splatta> how would one try a snapshot ?
[11:47] <izaac> upgrading from warty
[11:47] <LucidVisions> ok,then gnome-intro-es
[11:47] <jdub> splatta: cdimages.ubuntu.com -> daily and 'alpha' cd releases
[11:47] <jdub> splatta: or just upgrade your existing warty install
[11:47] <splatta> thx
[11:48] <LucidVisions> its the intro spanish gnome package for apt/synaptic
[11:48] <LucidVisions> and it will require gnome-spanish or whatnot
[11:50] <ran> LucidVisions: there is no such a package with name or description called like that (gnome-intro-es and gnome-spanish)
[11:52] <izaac> jdub: that url doesn't exist
[11:54] <UnderPar> this is a very nice distro
[11:54] <UnderPar> i am impressed
[11:54] <jdub> izaac: cdimage.ubuntu.com?
[11:55] <izaac> jdub: cause the s
[11:55] <izaac> cdimages you told
[11:55] <izaac> its alright now
[11:56] <bluefoxicy> LucidVisions: http://www.morphix.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?viewmode=flat&topic_id=1755&forum=3  :)
[11:59] <LucidVisions> ahh
[11:59] <LucidVisions> i see
[11:59] <UnderPar> is there to run ksb as a normal user
[11:59] <UnderPar> oops
[11:59] <UnderPar> k3b
[11:59] <LucidVisions> bluefoxy,, gentoo has a tru gaming cd


[10:28] <sakrecoer> looking into those things kryte mentioned yesterday, not sure i get it... but as he suggested in a query, i optimized the pictures with optipng and jpegoptim and it gave a rather poor result...
[10:29] <sakrecoer> do i get it right when i understand that the first path should have no leading slash? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-look/trunk/revision/179/debian/ubuntustudio-wallpapers.links
[10:30] <sakrecoer> as put in the example he sent: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/en/man1/dh_link.1.html
[15:29] <zequence> sakrecoer: I already changed that
[15:30] <zequence> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-look/trunk/revision/188
[15:33] <zequence> sakrecoer: Why did you add the author name to the wallpaper name for each wallpaper in the gnome .xml file
[15:33] <zequence> You know what that does?
[15:34] <zequence> That is what will show instead of the actual file name when selecting wallpapers in at least Gnome
[15:34] <zequence> I don't want our names in there. Just the name of the wallpapers
[15:35] <zequence> So, please put that back as it was
[15:35] <zequence> And, why are you renaming old wallpapers that have already been released?
[15:35] <zequence> Doesn't make sense to rename files that are already known
[15:35] <zequence> unless there's a bug
[15:35] <zequence> It's backwards
[15:37] <zequence> The worst that can happen with wallpapers is that someone already has one of those as their default. When they upgrade, it isn't anymore, cause the filename changed
[15:37] <zequence> NEver a good idea to change file names, just out of pedantism
[15:39] <zequence> Even worse when done in programming
[15:39] <krytarik> zequence: Regarding that, you realize that the package just keeps on growing anyway?
[15:39] <zequence> krytarik: Yes, I'm very well aware of that. What's your point?
[15:40] <zequence> You want to skim off 20MB out of our 2.6GB ISO?
[15:40] <OvenWerks> sort of a thing in computers in general, everything grows.
[15:40] <zequence> As I already said last time you mentioned that - maybe next time there is a wallpaper contest, only the five best are included - and the art team can decide which of the old ones stay
[15:41] <zequence> Changing filenames just for the fun of it is a bit of waste of time, if you ask me
[15:42] <OvenWerks> zequence: I think the bigger thing as you mentioned is that it breaks things.
[15:43] <zequence> OvenWerks: Exactly
[15:59] <sakrecoer> zequence: some had the author some dont it was about 50/50 so i thought: either we remove all authors or we add...
[15:59] <sakrecoer> but sure, i can remove them from there..
[16:04] <zequence> sakrecoer: Might be cfhowlett did some of that, I'm not sure. His choice. But, I'd rather go with just having a pretty name for the wallpaper, nothing else.
[16:05] <zequence> Since those were from the contest, that makes a little bit of sense
[16:05] <zequence> I wouldn't do it that way though
[16:05] <zequence> sakrecoer: MOre importantly, never change filenames unless you have a really good reason
[16:05] <zequence> For stuff that is yet not released, it's less of a matter
[16:06] <zequence> But, older stuff, it's a big no no. NOt the end of the world, when it comes to wallpapers, but still
[18:31] <sakrecoer> ok, so middle ground: i leave the credits in the pretty name-space on the entires from the contest and remove them elsewhere. no more filname changes until we plan for next blueprints. is that a viable sollution?
[18:41] <sakrecoer> adding "1604_ghostcolor.png" to debian/copyright also. fixed it but i'll wait a little before i push. maybe you will catch something else that is missing or needs correction...
[20:03] <zequence> sakrecoer: No, I haven't been looking actually. Just push whatever's left. I'll just go though each package before upload
[21:36] <zequence> sakrecoer: Ok, I see your commit has got trough. Getting late, so I will upload the packages first thing tomorrow
[21:36] <zequence> Still need to fix some icons too.
[21:50] <sakrecoer> thanks zequence