[02:11] <Brainstorm> Updates for Bangladesh: +15 cases since 2 days ago
[14:01] <Brainstorm> Updates for Bangladesh: +9 cases, +1 deaths, +2022 tests since 11 hours ago


[21:56] <_stink_> i just switched from irssi to ii
[21:57] <_stink_> it's awesome
[21:57] <Scary_Guy> ii?  I'll check it out.  Take a lot to get me to leave weechat though.


[08:56] <willcooke> Morning all
[08:59] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[09:00] <willcooke> hi oSoMoN
[09:00] <oSoMoN> hi willcooke
[09:01] <Laney> HELLO!!!!
[09:02] <oSoMoN> MORNING Laney
[09:06]  * Laney bangs some pans
[09:06] <Laney> hey oSoMoN! how's it going?
[09:07] <seb128> hey willcooke oSoMoN Laney, did you have a good w.e?
[09:07] <oSoMoN> I'm good, had a good long week-end, how are you guys?
[09:10] <seb128> I'm good but tired, w.e was exhausting. I went to France to prepare things for holidays and buy things, so busy days, quite some train and worked on saturday in exchange for thursday
[09:10] <seb128> now a few 'normal' days before holidays :)
[09:11] <seb128> oh, also we received our replacement modem, having landline internet again \o/
[09:12] <ricotz> good morning all
[09:13] <ricotz> oSoMoN, hi
[09:13] <oSoMoN> hey ricotz
[09:14] <ricotz> oSoMoN, I ran into some trouble with gcc-mozilla which requires an update
[09:15] <ricotz> gcc 6.5.0 is required for armhf/arm64 builds, I have managed a backport for xenial which works, but trusty is a problem
[09:15] <ricotz> See https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=83623
[09:15] <oSoMoN> looking
[09:16] <ricotz> this bug the reason for the new build requirement
[09:16] <ricotz> oSoMoN, updates are here https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/ubuntu/red/+packages
[09:17] <Laney> hey seb128
[09:17] <Laney> back in .nl again now?
[09:18] <seb128> yeah, for a few days then driving back to France for the holidays
[09:18] <Laney> you ping pong ball
[09:18] <Laney> long weekend was nice here, got some xmas shopping done and otherwise just hung out
[09:18] <seb128> :)
[09:18] <Laney> had some nasty weather
[09:18] <seb128> nice
[09:18] <seb128> it was cold and windy here :/
[09:23] <oSoMoN> ricotz, have you looked into the build failures on trusty already?
[09:24] <ricotz> oSoMoN, yes, briefly, no idea how to fix it though
[09:25] <oSoMoN> ricotz, ok, at a first quick glance I have no clue either, I'll put it on my list to look at later this week, can't do right now
[09:25] <ricotz> oSoMoN, I assumed this is bootstrap problem
[09:26] <ricotz> oSoMoN, ok, no hurry -- I guess, you can ignore the ~mt3 change
[09:59] <willcooke> Laney, what do you use for finding the right emoji?
[10:00] <willcooke> i.e. am I using Characters wrong, because I find it too hard to scroll up and down and just use google instead
[10:00] <Laney> willcooke: I use the search provider in Shell normally
[10:01] <Laney> but sometimes they have stupid names
[10:01] <Laney> 😈 like that one
[10:01] <willcooke> Is that an extension?
[10:01] <Laney> I always wanted to search for it as 'devil' or 'evil'
[10:01] <willcooke> ohhh
[10:01] <willcooke> I bet I have the snap which doesnt do search providers yet
[10:01] <Laney> but it is "smiling face with horns"
[10:01] <Laney> yeah probably
[10:01] <Laney> unlucky :-)
[10:01] <willcooke> kk, thx
[10:01] <willcooke> k_envandine will fix that :)
[10:01] <Laney> you can still do the same searching in Characters itself tho
[10:02] <willcooke> yeah, that doesnt work at all for me
[10:02] <Laney> then you probably won't enjoy the shell thing
[10:02] <Laney> 🤷
[10:03] <Laney> "shrug" 😛
[10:03] <willcooke> so in Chars itself, if you search for "fireworks" do you get any results  (also what happens in shell for you?)?
[10:03] <Laney> 🎆
[10:03] <Laney> that
[10:03] <willcooke> that doesnt work for me
[10:03]  * willcooke opens a bug
[10:03] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[10:05] <Laney> that doesn't work for me in the snap version
[10:05] <Laney> maybe it doesn't include the emoji font?
[10:05] <willcooke> I can browse the font, just not search
[10:06] <Laney> k well seems snap specific, /usr/bin/gnome-characters works fine
[10:06] <Laney> feel free to confirm/disconfirm that
[10:07] <seb128> any idea where it's searching? in that in the glyph names?
[10:07] <Laney> they have a text name associated yes
[10:08]  * Laney won't get further involved in debugging though
[10:09] <willcooke> the deb works as expected
[10:10] <Laney> 😭
[10:22] <seb128> jbicha, bug #1808702 might be something for you/a regression for that SRU/security update
[10:53] <andyrock> morning all!
[11:04] <willcooke> hi andyrock
[11:42] <Laney> hey andyrock
[11:42] <Laney> how's the capital city?
[11:42] <Laney> seb128: i'm uploading a mutter to cosmic that should fix that g-s-d thing (https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/3567/+packages)
[12:44]  * Laney takes a deep breath and uploads nautilus
[12:44] <Laney> well, it'll be blocked on promotions ...
[12:45] <seb128> Laney, oh ok, sorry I didn't follow up on that tiem from the weekly summary from previous week, I didn't care much about that SRU so I was wondering just asking the SRU team to delete it
[12:45] <Laney> nm
[12:45] <seb128> Laney, having it in proposed allows starting testing, so good for step
[12:45] <Laney> it's a valid bug that could happen again
[12:46] <seb128> right, it's non LTS serie, I'm a bit lazy to do work on it at this point but you are right it's best if we deal with it
[12:46] <seb128> Laney, nicely done for nautilus :)
[12:50] <Laney> cheers
[14:52] <seb128> cyphermox, hey, I plan to do a plymouth upload to change the default timeout, do you want me to cherry pick the recent fix your commited upstream and did you start on that yourself?
[14:52] <cyphermox> on vacation this week, I'm not really here
[14:52] <cyphermox> feel free to cherry-pick
[14:53] <cyphermox> actually
[14:53] <cyphermox> what default timeout?
[15:27] <willcooke> cyphermox, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/1808196
[15:28] <seb128> cyphermox, sorry, I didn't see you replied, will do!
[15:28] <seb128> cyphermox, enjoy your holidays :)
[15:28] <seb128> cyphermox, (the timeout was +1ed by Steve on principle)
[15:28] <seb128> willcooke, thx for catching up the question ;)
[15:30] <willcooke> :)
[16:04] <seb128> Laney, I can upload you ubuntu-settings pending change right, that's not going to create issues before other components are in place? (out of maybe printing a warning for the key override not matching a schemas for those having it not installed yet) (I've another tweak to the settings I want to upload, pondering either staging yours or included it in the upload)
[16:10] <Laney> seb128: aye do it
[16:10] <seb128> Laney, thx
[16:10] <Laney> was going to do that later anyway
[16:10] <seb128> one less thing to do :)
[16:16] <Laney> :>
[16:27] <cyphermox> seb128: well I was just surprised I thought there weren't timeouts in plymout
[18:29] <willcooke> night all


[01:48] <xcub> Is Tiago Salem Herrmann
[01:48] <xcub>  here?
[03:48] <Kamran_> Help
[03:52] <jose> ?
[07:57] <Kamran_> Hey any body there
[13:59] <Girish> How do I change the fonts in Ubuntu? Do I use the Unity Tweak Tool?
[14:01] <DanChapman> Girish, yes you can either use tweak tool or using gsettings using terminal http://askubuntu.com/questions/454279/change-default-system-font-using-terminal-only-in-14-04
[14:57] <balloons> updated leaderboard
[18:25] <darkxst_> darkxst, are you here? :)
[18:25] <robbert> darkxst, are you here? :)
[19:06] <robbert> darkxst: are you here? :)
[19:19] <balloons> lol.. /me is seeing double
[20:02] <balloons> DanChapman, can you review asap? xcub has been waiting 36 hours+ now: https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/6392045300088832/?sp-page=1
[20:04] <DanChapman> balloons, oops sorry forgot to hit needs more work. I've spoken to him about it on telegram
[20:06] <balloons> DanChapman, ahh.. I figured you had seen it :-)
[20:17] <robbert> darkxst, hey, are u here?
[21:37] <hjarrell> balloons, I'm working on the defects report for qatracker and on the merge request you flagged it as needs info. Is there anything besides the possibility of sorting other columns that you need?
[23:13] <wxl> some admin around to add me as a mentor to a task so i can edit it and get it published?
[23:13] <wxl> actually four of them


[00:00] <Omega> I'm running natty for the first time :)
[00:12] <Muscovy> I have every week updating Natty from a chroot then booting in to see the changes.
[00:12] <Muscovy> have fun*
[00:12] <Muscovy> I may switch over to Natty as my main when the dash is implemented.
[00:25] <Omega> I switched to it as my main right now, the lack of dash is annoying though, and I can't get GNOME-Do to work.
[00:26] <Omega> I switched because my previous isntall got hosed due to a power failure. (even though I have a journaling filesystem)
[00:26] <Omega> And I had, uh, "fun" recovering my encrypted /home.
[00:27] <Muscovy> Did you get it back ok?
[00:29] <Omega> Yeah :)
[00:30] <Omega> I think a few files were corrupted, but I got all the important ones :)
[14:18] <MH0> Hi laknath_


[04:34] <joelkraehemann> hi all
[04:34] <joelkraehemann> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gsequencer
[04:34] <joelkraehemann> ^^ does proposed mean, it is going to be synced?
[04:44] <ginggs> joelkraehemann: has been auto-sync'd, not yet built though
[04:50] <joelkraehemann> ginggs: thank you.
[04:50] <joelkraehemann> I can strongly recommend this version
[04:51] <joelkraehemann> since it brings some real improvements
[08:16] <TDO|Aquina> Hello! I saw linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic linux-tools-generic with linux-meta (<IP_ADDRESS>.148) trusty; urgency=medium // * Bump ABI 3.13.0-139. Ubuntu wesite tells me https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/3.13.0-139.188 its KAISER / KPTI patches for Linux.
[08:17] <TDO|Aquina> My question is the sage as stated in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1741609/comments/4
[08:17] <TDO|Aquina> Can someone please tell me if thats feasible?
[08:29] <TDO|Aquina> Ah I found an answer to the KAISER problem (https://askubuntu.com/questions/991874/how-to-disable-page-table-isolation-to-regain-performance-lost-due-to-intel-cpu). Thanks anyways! :-)
[09:58] <seb128> rbalint, hey, is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1663157 still on your list? we would like to re-enable guest session for the LTS but the apparmor/systemd user issue needs to be sorted out ... and it seems Steve pinged you about that? (it has been a while though so not sure if that's still current)
[10:43] <bdrung_work> slangasek, will you merge klbic from Debian unstable?
[10:52] <rbalint> seb128: it is still on my list but had higher priority issues :-(
[12:28] <seb128> rbalint, ok, and do you have any idea if/when you might get to that item?
[12:38] <cjwatson> seb128: speaking of still on people's list, I made some progress on debconf gtk3; just trying to sort out some complexity regarding the startup sequence
[12:39] <cjwatson> it mostly works but is producing weird warnings at the moment, so I want to clear that up
[12:58] <tkamppeter> xnox, slangasek, can you have a look at bug 1721839? It is a severe regression which we should not have in LTS and upstream is not answering.
[13:31] <rbalint> seb128: i need to discuss that with slangasek, we did not talk about that recently
[13:31] <rbalint> seb128: but i agree that we should enable it
[13:38] <seb128> cjwatson, ah, that's good new, thanks
[13:39] <seb128> rbalint, can you bring the topic with Steve and come back to me then, we need to know what to do on our side and the feature is sort of blocked on that item to be resolved
[13:51] <rbalint> seb128: sure
[14:18] <seb128> rbalint, thanks
[14:22] <xnox> didrocks, slangasek - i want new plymouth, and i want initramfs hooks to correctly set force-scale, and i want high-dpi plymouth themes by default.
[14:22] <xnox> didrocks, slangasek - are you planning on merging plymouth, or shall i?
[14:29] <didrocks> xnox: please go ahead ;) I won't really have time for handling it
[15:34] <tkamppeter> xnox, slangasek, can you have a look at bug 1721839? It is a severe regression which we should not have in LTS and upstream is not answering.
[15:37]  * juliank feels like freenode is being ddos'ed or something - everything is really slow
[15:38] <Odd_Bloke> 30% slower, you say?
[15:44] <juliank> Seems I hit a bug in znc-clientbuffer
[15:52] <cpaelzer> It might sound stupid, but searches weren't kind to me - is there a Ubuntu specific counterpart to README.Debian?
[15:52] <cpaelzer> I mostly see us adding to it which is fine
[15:53] <cpaelzer> just thought to ask for once to be sure there is no hidden "if ubuntu only add to X instead"
[15:56] <mdeslaur> cpaelzer: not that I'm aware of
[15:59] <xnox> Odd_Bloke, hahahahahaha
[15:59] <xnox> i'm bouncing too
[16:00] <rbasak> cpaelzer: if README.Debian is misleading (because of an Ubuntu delta), I may patch README.Debian rather than create a separate file. Being careful to avoid misattributing the change to Debian.
[16:00] <rbasak> As I see README.Debian as more of a README.packaging as opposed to a README which I'd normally attribute to upstream.
[16:00] <rbasak> That's just IMHO. I'm not sure what other Ubuntu devs do.
[16:02] <cpaelzer> thanks rbasak / mdeslaur
[16:03] <cpaelzer> I know what I want to write and have no fear to be misleading
[16:03] <cpaelzer> just wanted to make sure to not miss something all the time
[17:19] <Laney> is this a valid C program? https://paste.debian.net/1004679/
[17:20] <Laney> on i386 it prints 42123455, which is not what I would expect
[17:24] <slangasek> is it a valid C program? sure.  Are you right to expect it to give you the obvious number as an answer? not without some compiler flags
[17:24] <slangasek> Laney: unfortunately I don't remember what the flags are or have a good way to look them up without highlighting doko
[17:25] <slangasek> Laney: it might be -ffloat-store
[17:28] <sladen> Laney: welcome to the world of floating point.  You can play with  #include <fenv.h>  fesetround(FE_UPWARD);   etc
[17:29] <greyback> Laney: https://godbolt.org/g/E8d6sH might help you figure it out
[17:30] <greyback> 64 has a jump happening in the multiplication somehow, is curious
[17:31] <Laney> It's interesting because if I multiply and then truncate in separate steps I get the "right" answer
[17:34] <Laney> but if I annotate the intermediate double as a register variable it "works"
[17:34] <Laney> and ffloat-store indeed "fixes" it
[17:35] <Laney> s/works/breaks/ sorry(!)
[17:40] <sladen> Laney: add to that, that Intel has internal 80-bit float registers, but only 64-bit when written back to memory
[17:42] <Laney> bloop
[17:46] <sladen> Laney: if you more carefully pick your example numbers to be ones that are accurately representable in floating point (ie. power-two integer fractions), you should be able to get "accurate" answers
[17:50] <Laney> sladen: I would understand it more if the intermediate multiplication were wrong (https://paste.debian.net/1004686/)
[17:51] <sladen> Laney: one has to first swallow the blue pill and accept that it is _not wrong_
[17:53] <Laney> It seems wrong for it to differ based on whether I do it in one or two steps
[17:53] <sladen> Laney: you're trying to view a decimal (base-10) approximation of mulitplying two binary fractions (1/N) * (1/N), which have been created from representable approximations of decimal (base-10) inputs
[17:54] <Laney> The link I just pasted shows the expected answer
[17:56] <sladen> in one case the printf() routine is rendering a base-10 approximation of a floating point value.  In the other case the printf routinue is rendering a precise representation of an integer value
[17:58] <sladen> ...but that integer value is a truncated approximation of multiplying two approximations of base-10 numbers together, in 1/base-2 space
[19:21] <sladen> Laney: did you try  long double  and  __float128   to get the full menu of outputs:  https://stackoverflow.com/questions/13516476/long-double-gcc-specific-and-float128


[01:11] <h00k> hey, hawke_
[01:19] <h00k> hello, ubuntuWi-Guest
[01:19] <h00k> you can change your nickname with /nick newnickgoeshere
[01:29] <h00k> hey rick-schwai :)
[01:35] <h00k> http://ubuntuone.com/1D4Mi2uFFGOdykjmQELeZl
[01:35] <h00k> testing this link, feel free to ignore
[01:39] <rick-schwai> h00k: this is a test
[01:39] <h00k> rick-schwai: success
[01:39] <h00k> so, meeting in 20 minutes.
[01:40] <h00k> bigbash, DavidLevin, greppy, hawke_, jrolland-ubuntu, KBme , mikeputnam, ripps: are you guys going to be here tonight?
[01:41] <h00k> /topic
[01:41] <h00k> rick-schwai: ^
[01:57] <h00k> yotux, exigraff: hello
[01:58] <yotux> hook: hello and good evening  to you the group
[01:59]  * exigraff bows
[02:02] <h00k> Okay. I had to take care of some things here.
[02:02] <h00k> welcome, everyone.
[02:02] <h00k> It looks like we have a few active people here: exigraff, yotux, rick-schwai, and myself
[02:04] <exigraff> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhuewundDxc#t=8s
[02:04] <h00k> First off, I'd like to do introductions, in no special order, but we can go in the order I listed above.  I'll start.  I'm Anthony Hook, the LoCo Contact. I'm an Ubuntu Member, I am an IRC operator, and I love my beautiful wife Brittany (reverse order of importance there)
[02:04] <h00k> exigraff: your turn!
[02:05] <exigraff> hi! I am... not in Wisconsin. I tend to write code, though.
[02:05] <exigraff> h00k's a friend of mine, and I am paid to be here.
[02:05] <h00k> and you weren't supposed to tell...
[02:05] <exigraff> I think that's the important stuff. yotux?
[02:06] <yotux> Nathan,  I have been using Ubuntu for five+ years.  I have done some ISO testing.  Also have been doing some political stuff in the state.
[02:06] <exigraff> I support this.
[02:06] <h00k> cool.
[02:08] <rick-schwai> I am probably the old guy of the group.  I just qualified for Medicare this month.
[02:09] <rick-schwai> I have been in the software business for over 35 years.  I was too dumb to leave it.  But I discovered ubuntu 4 years ago and have been having a lot of fun with it.
[02:09] <exigraff> rock on :D
[02:09] <h00k> ^ this guy organized the talk in Minocqua, Rhinelander, and is tirelessly working on this upcoming talk in Wausau, WI
[02:10]  * h00k takes notes "to dumb to leave it"
[02:10] <rick-schwai> I happened to walk by an Apple store in a mall and saw lots of people having lots of fun and spending lots of $.
[02:11] <rick-schwai> I thought we could have a similar experience but not have to spend lots of $ so I mentioned the idea to h00k.
[02:11] <rick-schwai> He was crazy enough to agree.  So...we are having a Conference on March 24th in Wausau.
[02:11] <h00k> It's starred at the top of my inbox, some people down near Madison/Milwaukee seemed fond of the idea.
[02:11] <exigraff> that's awesome.
[02:12] <h00k> SO, hopefully we attract some local attention, but it would be great (because it's in Central WI) to have people from all over the state to drop by...
[02:12] <h00k> *nudge*
[02:12] <h00k> Which happens to be the topic of the meeting
[02:12] <yotux> I'll try to attend the conf,  hoping there is not any recall activities for the same weekend
[02:12] <exigraff> I will send beer money.
[02:12] <h00k> yotux: ah, it's quote possible...
[02:13] <h00k> exigraff: personally, yes?
[02:13]  * exigraff opens calendar
[02:13] <exigraff> wait... I see a birthday on here...
[02:13] <h00k> So, it'll be on March 24, a Saturday. We have a nice room at the library from 10:00am to 3:00pm
[02:13] <h00k> exigraff: it's true
[02:13] <h00k> it also happens to be my Wife's birthday
[02:14] <exigraff> the library may frown on beer-consumption.
[02:14] <h00k> exigraff: consider that for *after*
[02:14] <yotux> exigraff:  I have to agree with you on that
[02:14] <h00k> Here's a sweet poster that got created and distributed all over: http://i.imgur.com/oupPj.jpg
[02:14] <exigraff> there is a slight chance that I'll be in Canada. if that's not the case, I should be able to make it.
[02:15] <rick-schwai> When would you know about Canada?
[02:16] <exigraff> /weeks/ before that. is there an rsvp list somewhere?
[02:16] <h00k> The current agenda includes an Intro (what is Ubuntu, history, pros/cons, installation/conversion updates, touch on available applications). Following, a demo of such, then split up into two simultaneous tracks.
[02:16] <h00k> exigraff: at the moment, no
[02:17] <h00k> not formally.
[02:17] <exigraff> do y'all in wisconsin use meetup.com?
[02:17] <h00k> exigraff: you
[02:17] <h00k> re from here :p
[02:17] <rick-schwai> Based on my 2 previous classes, I am expecting between 25-35 attendees.
[02:18] <h00k> also, no, we haven't as a LoCo
[02:19] <exigraff> might be useful. but yeah, I should know at least a month in advance of that date.
[02:19] <h00k> rick-schwai: correct me if I'm wrong, you have plans of this intro, yes?
[02:19] <rick-schwai> Yes.  I planned on doing the intro using my previous presentation.
[02:20] <rick-schwai> However, the demo as well as the session about installation and applications are open for volunteers
[02:20] <h00k> So, here comes the fun: volunteers!
[02:21]  * exigraff volunteers for whatever can be done from potentially afar
[02:21] <rick-schwai> If a person is uncomfortable speaking in front of a large group, then just being there as a Q&A resouce is very helpful and lends credibility to the LOCO.
[02:22] <yotux> I have not done a tech presentation before pending sch. I would be willing to vol.
[02:22] <rick-schwai> Consider yourself  a demonstrator!
[02:23] <h00k> yotux: cool. any idea of which one?
[02:23] <yotux> having been out of the Loco loop for sometime I am open to suggestions
[02:24] <rick-schwai> One session will concentrate on how to  ubuntu can be installed and show the various types of installs.
[02:25] <yotux> I could do a install walk through.....
[02:25] <rick-schwai> The other session will concentrate on ubuntu included apps like web browsers, networking, backup, etc
[02:26] <h00k> your choice of version to install ;)
[02:27] <yotux> I have a few machines that I have access to.  I do a desktop install
[02:27] <yotux> How does that Loco feel about Wubi?
[02:27] <rick-schwai> We are trying to prep people for 12.04 so showing 11.10 would be the preferred install.
[02:27] <h00k> Cool, I have a machine I could bring for testing dualboot
[02:28] <yotux> Okay,  I can grab a few flash drives and load ISO's
[02:28] <rick-schwai> Wubi is a great selling point since most people come from a Windows background and would approach ubuntu slowly.
[02:28] <h00k> yotux: wubi is fine, sure
[02:29] <yotux> No a huge fan of Wubi.... but in a pinch it helps to spoon feed newbies
[02:29] <rick-schwai> I think you will find most of the audience are newbies.
[02:30] <exigraff> bless 'em.
[02:30] <rick-schwai> We were all newbies at one time or another
[02:30] <yotux> yes I have a to agree
[02:30] <exigraff> educating the librarians will go a long way as well, oracles of information that they are. they're in a good position to spread the love even further.
[02:31] <exigraff> as it were.
[02:32] <h00k> Cool.
[02:32] <h00k> Another thing for the end may be a lightning-talk, something to showcase a cool project that someone/some people may have done with Ubuntu
[02:33] <h00k> an example may be...I don't know...a 10 minute talk on how they used Ubuntu to solve $problem
[02:33] <h00k> maybe some software they wrote, some experience they had,
[02:33] <h00k> etc.
[02:33] <rick-schwai> Somewhere we should have a pretty face as a presenter.  I know that leaves out h00k and me.  Might your wife want to participate, h00k?
[02:33] <h00k> rick-schwai: I'd have to check, I have a feeling she may not want to that day
[02:34] <h00k> but it's a possibility
[02:34] <h00k> she mentioned getting a massage somewhere in Wausau at the time the conference is
[02:34] <rick-schwai> Tell her its your birthday gift to her.
[02:34] <h00k> Yeah...I did, it didn't go very well
[02:35] <h00k> she's a pretty damn good sport, though
[02:35] <h00k> yotux: you still do amatuer radio, yes? (curiosity)
[02:36] <rick-schwai> I have been converting LP's of big band music for my neighbor using Audacity.  Anyone think this might be of interest.  The process would also work for cassette tapes.
[02:36] <h00k> ^ that may be cool, yeah
[02:36] <yotux> hook:  yes I am still involved still learning
[02:36] <rick-schwai> Or am I just showing my age.
[02:37] <h00k> yotux: cool
[02:37] <rick-schwai> I need to step away for a minute.  My dog needs to go out.
[02:37] <mikeputnam> take mine out too please
[02:37] <yotux> hook:  could maybe drop a line in the ubuntu-hams group and see if that have any presentation ideas
[02:38]  * h00k takes mikeputnam outside
[02:38] <h00k> oh, doing it wrong.
[02:38] <h00k> yotux: I didn't know there was one, cool!
[02:39] <h00k> anyway...so we have one presenter, I'm wondering if we can have a meeting in another week to see if we can catch more people, and open it up on the mailing list
[02:39] <h00k> does this sound acceptable?
[02:39] <yotux> sound like a good idea to me
[02:41] <exigraff> +1
[02:41] <h00k> cool. If we can get one more, and maybe a lightning talk or two, that'd be awesome
[02:42] <h00k> I have a new camera, I'll take some cool pictures and we can throw them online, another thing to add to our résumé for applying for Offical LoCo recognization
[02:45] <h00k> does anyone else have anything to add?
[02:45] <h00k> questions, comments,
[02:46] <h00k> anything unrelated and fun?
[02:46] <rick-schwai> I think this is a great start
[02:46] <exigraff> tis. I will say that we should probably have some kind of public planning document, and/or an rsvp list.
[02:46] <exigraff> but this is great - I'm glad to see this happening.
[02:47] <h00k> There isn't anything re: RSVP'ing on the flyer that was printed/distributed
[02:47] <exigraff> more for presenters than attendees, so maybe 'rsvp' was the wrong word
[02:47] <exigraff> just something in writing for our own purposes
[02:47] <h00k> oh. yeah. There's a draft document at the moment shared between Rick and I
[02:47] <rick-schwai> We have a start of a planning document.  We will be publishing it soon.
[02:47] <exigraff> ah, gotcha.
[02:47] <exigraff> carry on then. :)
[02:49] <h00k> yotux: are you available in a week or so?
[02:49] <yotux> Same night?
[02:49] <h00k> yotux: perhaps/probably?
[02:49] <rick-schwai> I am available
[02:49] <yotux> should be I am poping the Gcal open
[02:50] <h00k> rick-schwai: cool
[02:50] <yotux> Monday I am busy
[02:51] <yotux> hook: thursday is out also sorry
[02:52] <h00k> yotux: okay, Wednesday?
[02:53] <yotux> open  ya!
[02:53] <h00k> Sounds good.
[02:53] <rick-schwai> Wednesday is fine.
[02:53] <h00k> That was all I had on the agenda for tonight, unless anyone else has anything to add about anything?
[02:53] <h00k> I'm testing 12.04 and I'm really liking it
[02:54] <rick-schwai> I've said enough already.
[02:55] <yotux> hook: 12.04 I am running it but kubuntu flavor
[02:56] <h00k> yotux: gotcha. Did you see the news about Kubuntu being a community-supported distro?
[02:57] <yotux> I saw something on it.
[02:57] <yotux> I know with unity it makes it harder for the two groups to work together
[02:58] <h00k> Yeah, they're reorganizing the lead KDE developer, Kubuntu will be community-supported, such as Xubuntu and Lubuntu
[03:00] <yotux> cool
[03:02] <h00k> alright, well...
[03:02] <h00k> I think that's all I had for business tonight
[03:02] <h00k> I'll send out an update tomorrow with my notes, a call for volunteers
[03:03] <yotux> hook:  we have a google+ page for the Loco?
[03:03] <h00k> yotux: we do
[03:03] <yotux> sweet....
[03:03] <h00k> https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/114072330989476423938/
[03:03] <h00k> not much there
[03:03] <h00k> in fact, I forgot about it.
[03:04] <h00k> I will get this rocking more, we can use this, somehow, with coordination
[03:05] <h00k> a Hangout in conjunction with the meeting or something
[03:05] <h00k> Okay, I am going to get Brittany some apple juice
[03:05] <h00k> and with that, I suppose the meeting is adjourned
[03:05] <h00k> Thanks, and good to see you, exigraff, yotux, and rick-schwai
[03:06] <h00k> rick-schwai: I'll give you a call tomorrow, if that's okay?
[03:06] <yotux> okay, thanks for the info and look forward to next week
[03:06] <exigraff> o/ good to see everyone
[14:16] <bigbash> Sorry h00k I left my IRC on at work and I was at v-ball last night.  I'll read the logs now
[16:38] <h00k> zz_bigbash: no prob
[18:00] <bigbash> I am so glad to be moving our help desk system from Windows to Ubuntu server
[18:03] <hawke_> Nice
[18:03] <hawke_> What software?
[18:45] <Cheesehead> h00k: I'll be in Wausau. Happy to present and be charming.
[18:49] <h00k> Cheesehead: Oh, awesome.
[18:52] <Cheesehead> I think the participants need to sit down an a couple weeks and game out who is presenting what, where our holes are, and what additional resources might be easy to bring to the table
[18:54] <h00k> yep
[18:54] <h00k> That's exactly the plan
[18:55] <Cheesehead> As long as it's not Wednesday night, I can probably be there.
[18:56] <h00k> Roger
[19:45] <bigbash> h00k, sorry our SAN just arrived and I was a bit distracted
[19:46] <bigbash> the software is called SysAid
[19:48] <h00k> bigbash: Interesting, never heard of it
[19:48] <bigbash> what's funny is getting support for it is a pain
[19:49] <bigbash> h00k, what SAN are you using?
[19:49] <h00k> bigbash: we have a Compellent SAN
[19:49] <bigbash> ah ok
[19:50] <h00k> bigbash: it's pretty sweet
[19:50] <bigbash> is it setup as a VSA or just a storage system?
[19:50] <h00k> bigbash: what SAN?
[19:50] <bigbash> P4300
[19:50] <bigbash> HP
[19:51] <h00k> bigbash: ah, that's right
[19:51] <h00k> bigbash: VSA?
[19:51] <h00k> Very Small Array?
[19:51] <bigbash> virtual SAN appliance
[19:51] <h00k> no, that's radio
[19:51] <h00k> Oh, no, it's a full-blown fiberchannel, dual controller, tiered storage
[19:52] <bigbash> ah ok
[19:54] <h00k> we currently have 24 tier-1 drives, 146Gb, 15k, and 7 tier-3 nearline-SAS
[20:02] <bigbash> 0.o nice


[17:57] <Led_Zeppelin> epimeth, what RPMs do I need?
[17:57] <Led_Zeppelin> for KNetworkManager
[17:57] <Dragnslcr> Led_Zeppelin- Ubuntu doesn't use RPM
[17:58] <Led_Zeppelin> i mean dpkg
[17:58] <Led_Zeppelin> :-)
[17:58] <Led_Zeppelin> hehe
[17:58] <epimeth> Led_Zeppelin: we use packages... its in basic
[17:58]  * shadeslayer jumps due to his happiness
[17:58] <epimeth> it is installed by default with kubuntu-desktop
[17:58] <jussi01> Led_Zeppelin: sudo apt-get install network-manager-gnome
[17:58]  * shadeslayer was startled by sound from the speakers
[17:58] <shadeslayer> yayyyy
[17:59] <shadeslayer> im at peace with the worls
[17:59] <shadeslayer> *world
[17:59] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip1: everything is  aok!!
[18:00] <tuxi> no longer silent, shadeslayer?
[18:00] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip1: dont know what happened but the update seemed to have set everything to default
[18:00]  * DS-Away is away: Not Here
[18:00] <shadeslayer> tuxi: nope,im shouting
[18:00] <tuxi> lol
[18:00] <shadeslayer> rather my laptop is
[18:00] <jussi01> !away > DS-Away
[18:01] <jussi01> shadeslayer: please attempt to keep ontopic - share your joy in #kubuntu-offtopic ;)
[18:01] <shadeslayer> hehe well im kinda on topic
[18:03] <shadeslayer> you see i was saying that my sound works in Kubuntu
[18:03] <shadeslayer> btw can anybody guide me to a 20 MB gnome install??
[18:03] <shadeslayer> i just want gnome without the apps
[18:04] <shadeslayer> !puregnome
[18:04] <shadeslayer> hmm not quite
[18:04] <bishopz> compiz deleted >:O
[18:05] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: apt-cache seach gnome | less
[18:05] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: it'll take a while to read but should give clues
[18:05] <shadeslayer> hmm
[18:06] <shadeslayer> so i pick every package,no ways
[18:06] <tuxi> maybe sudo aptitude install gnome (it appears to be a metapackage)
[18:06] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-207847.html
[18:09] <jussi01> ActionParsnip1: that was an affirmative to your question before. (it worked)
[18:10] <ActionParsnip1> jussi01 genttoo handbook ;)
[18:10] <trevor> ok, so what is the network manager widget called?
[18:10] <trevor> since i dont seem to have it
[18:10] <jussi01> ActionParsnip1: thanks. I did kinda know it, just couldnt remember ;)
[18:10] <jussi01> trevor: nm-applet
[18:11] <trevor> yeah
[18:11] <trevor> i dont have that
[18:11] <trevor> and when i type sudo apt-get install nm-applet
[18:12] <trevor> it has an error
[18:12] <jussi01> trevor: wait, for gnome or kde's version?
[18:12] <trevor> kde
[18:12] <jussi01> knetworkmanager for kdes version
[18:12] <trevor> i have my ethernet plugged in, but i will need wireless at work later
[18:12] <DaSkreech> For kde 4.2 \o/
[18:12] <trevor> argh
[18:12] <trevor> yes
[18:12] <trevor> kde4.3
[18:12] <trevor> 4.2
[18:13] <trevor> when i click on the one in internet menu, it doesnt open
[18:13] <epimeth> jussi01_: kde its network-manager-kde
[18:14] <tuxi> not knetworkmanager?
[18:14] <trevor> argh
[18:14] <trevor> it wont open
[18:14] <trevor> this is so frusterating
[18:14] <jussi01> epimeth: package or command to open it ;)
[18:14] <trevor> there is no widget, even though i somehow accidentally deleted it
[18:15] <trevor> my laptop is running so hot it is uncomfortable to be on my lap,
[18:15] <epimeth> jussi01_ that is the package... the command is KNetworkManager
[18:15] <trevor> unbeleiveable
[18:15] <trevor> im going back to mint
[18:15] <trevor> lol
[18:15] <jussi01> trevor: you looked in the process list to see if its running?
[18:16] <trevor> yes, it is running
[18:16] <DaSkreech> trevor: Cooking eggs ?
[18:16] <trevor> i cannot access it ever
[18:16] <jussi01> trevor: tried killing it and then starting it again?
[18:16] <trevor> i cant click on it, i cant open it in the menu, i cant kill the process
[18:16] <trevor> i cant even get into root
[18:17] <trevor> maybe its because i am new to kde, but so far, this sucks
[18:17] <ActionParsnip1> trevor: root account is disabled
[18:17] <Novalgina2Fast> how i can restart audio without restart x session?because if i type killall pulseaudio it doesn't work,i don' have pulseaudio installed
[18:17] <Dr_Willis> pulseaudio is used by gnome - not kde.
[18:17] <Dr_Willis> !alsa
[18:17] <Dr_Willis> isent there an alsa service also?
[18:17]  * DaSkreech rolls eyes
[18:17] <ActionParsnip1> Novalgina2Fast: sudo /etc/init.d/alsa restart
[18:17] <ActionParsnip1> i think
[18:18] <tuxi> Novalgina2Fast, sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
[18:18] <ActionParsnip1> alsa-utils
[18:18] <Dr_Willis> depending on how alsa crashes - you may hav to reboot
[18:18] <Dr_Willis> bye all
[18:19] <Novalgina2Fast> sudo /ect/init.d/alsa-utils restart didn't work(it restart alsa but if i try too use audio doesn't work)
[18:19] <halfsane> hey all!
[18:20] <halfsane> I am having a problem switching themes in KDE4.2
[18:20] <halfsane> I am in the theme details menu and when I pick one the apply button does not come un-greyed
[18:20] <halfsane> any thoughts?
[18:21] <ActionParsnip1> halfsane: does it switch if youu log off and on
[18:21] <tuxi> do you have themes that show up when you right-click on the desktop and select Appearance Settings, halfsane?
[18:21] <trevor> is it the glass one halfsane
[18:22] <halfsane> ActionParsnip1: no, i have tried this
[18:22] <ActionParsnip1> halfsane: just checking
[18:22] <halfsane> tuxi: yes they appear there... that menu actually worked for me,  is this a bug?
[18:22] <halfsane> trevor: yes
[18:22] <tuxi> no idea
[18:22] <ActionParsnip1> halfsane: try: sudo chown -R <your user name> /home/<your user name>
[18:23] <trevor> i cant get it to work either
[18:23] <ActionParsnip1> halfsane: it might be a settings file permission
[18:23] <ActionParsnip1> halfsane: i'd also run: sudo chmod -R 755 /home/<your username>
[18:24] <halfsane> chown: cannot access `/home/halfsane/.gvfs': Permission denied
[18:24] <halfsane> same error here as well
[18:24] <halfsane> chmod: cannot access `/home/halfsane/.gvfs': Permission denied
[18:25] <halfsane> ActionParsnip1: both those produced the same results
[18:26] <ActionParsnip1> halfsane: just makes sure you are the owner of your files and that you have full access to them
[18:26] <ActionParsnip1> halfsane: caan you set the settings now?
[18:26] <halfsane> ActionParsnip1: negatory
[18:26] <ActionParsnip1> bah
[18:27] <halfsane> ActionParsnip1: what do i need to do   lol
[18:27] <ActionParsnip1> halfsane: is it the same for all users?
[18:27] <halfsane> only one user
[18:27] <ActionParsnip1> halfsane: make a fresh one
[18:27] <ActionParsnip1> !adduser
[18:28] <trevor> god this really sucks
[18:28] <trevor> i like the way kde looks so good, but i cant seem to figure any of this out
[18:28] <ActionParsnip1> trevor: new systems will give you teething troubles
[18:29] <trevor> if i could find a way to cool this thing off, i would just do a reinstall
[18:29] <[TCK]> kde can be tricky, but mostly it's just a case of what you know
[18:29] <trevor> lol, i have been using linux off and on since like 99
[18:29] <trevor> i am still a noob though
[18:29] <trevor> but i have never used kde before, mainly xcfe and gnome
[18:29] <ActionParsnip1> trevor: every day is a school day
[18:29] <ActionParsnip1> trevor: fluxbox here
[18:29] <trevor> my laptop is literally burning me
[18:30] <trevor> i have used fluxbox on my fedora ppc on my imac g5
[18:30] <trevor> wasnt a fan
[18:30] <[TCK]> how old's the laptop?  might be worth giving it a clean
[18:30] <trevor> i bought it the summer
[18:30] <trevor> in the summer i man
[18:30] <trevor> mean
[18:31] <trevor> jeez i cant type
[18:31] <trevor> its is a satellite
[18:31] <halfsane> trevor: there is a bug in kubuntu jaunty where you need to restart if it's eating your cpu...
[18:31] <[TCK]> probably not a dust issue
[18:31] <trevor> i am on 8.10
[18:31] <halfsane> k
[18:31] <[TCK]> I assume it's the cpu causing the heat
[18:31] <trevor> i would assume so also
[18:32] <trevor> its on powersave too
[18:32] <[TCK]> what's it idling at?
[18:32] <trevor> the temp?
[18:32] <trevor> let me look
[18:32] <[TCK]> cpu %
[18:32] <[TCK]> and temp too, I guess
[18:32] <trevor> it is idling at around 9
[18:33] <[TCK]> what's the big taker? xorg or plasma I'm guessing
[18:33] <trevor> 404.3mib/3.6
[18:33] <trevor> kysysgaurd?
[18:33] <trevor> xorg is below tha
[18:33] <[TCK]> ksysguard is the program you're using
[18:33] <trevor> t
[18:34] <trevor> yeah  i know
[18:34] <trevor> wtf
[18:34] <[TCK]> ie: system monitor
[18:34] <[TCK]> I put my refresh to three seconds, stops that taking up so much cpu when it does run, though obviously it doesn't run all the time
[18:35] <trevor> yeah
[18:35] <trevor> i dont know
[18:35] <[TCK]> as for xorg, I swear that takes up too much cpu
[18:35] <ActionParsnip1> trevor: ease up on the enter key duder
[18:35] <trevor> sorry
[18:36] <DaSkreech> [TCK]: I hate Xorg
[18:36] <trevor> i mean, im probably just going to go back to gnome, since that doesnt burn my legs
[18:36] <cyber> Hi all
[18:37] <[TCK]> I've never gotten along with xorg, not sure if it's just my experience or a general consensus
[18:37] <cyber> guys i have a graphic problem
[18:38] <sztomi> Hi. I have some troubles with configuring Kopete 0.70 with Google Talk under KDE4.2. It says it was unable to connect to talk.google.com. I used this walkthrough: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Google+Talk+support Could someone help me?
[18:38] <DaSkreech> cyber: Which is?
[18:39] <DaSkreech> sztomi: can you ping talk.google.com ?
[18:39] <badpc> Is there a need for virus protection on linux?
[18:40] <cyber> i installed my video card but i noticed graphic issues like fuzzy pics and apps take long time to open
[18:40] <DaSkreech> !virus
[18:41] <[TCK]> sztomi: if it's any help I can't seem to connect either
[18:42] <halfsane> anyone know how to get ride of the borders on plasmoid in kde 4.2,  thanks!
[18:42] <halfsane> *plasmoids
[18:46] <[TCK]> don't think you can short of choosing a different theme, could be wrong though
[18:46] <halfsane> [TCK]: think your right   :)
[18:46] <tuxi> halfsane, I think they're fixed
[18:47] <DaSkreech> halfsane: what window manager are you running?
[18:47] <halfsane> im new to kde, whatever the default is... kwin maybe?
[18:47] <DaddyLonglegs> Whenever I try to open a video file, my desktop completely freezes, my keyboard hangs, and nothing works anymore. I tried both Dragon Player, and VLC, but both showed the same behavior. Any ideas?
[18:47] <Muzer> Hi. I'm using the NVIDIA TwinView thing to get multiple monitors (no idea if that is some NVIDIA-specific thing or if it's standard, I don't think it matters for this query), but most (not all) windows for some reason spawn on the left monitor, when I want stuff to by default spawn on the right. How do I go about setting this?
[18:48] <Muzer> note that the left monitor is 1024x768, in case I need to input the resolution as a constant or something
[18:48] <HighAndDry> hi!
[18:48] <halfsane> DaddyLonglegs: i had a similar problem when using amarok 2 at the same time.. i switched to banshee and all is well now
[18:48] <Muzer> HighAndDry: Hi
[18:48] <HighAndDry> i've got some trouble installing pulseaudio in kubuntu
[18:49] <[TCK]> DaddyLongLegs: try using a different video output in VLC perhaps?  Try X11, or XVideo.
[18:49] <HighAndDry> the server throws this two error messages when i run the command
[18:49] <HighAndDry> W: ltdl-bind-now.c: Failed to find original dlopen loader.
[18:49] <HighAndDry> ALSA lib control.c:909:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL front:0
[18:49] <HighAndDry> W: alsa-util.c: Cannot find fallback mixer control "PCM".
[18:49] <DaddyLonglegs> halfsane: Let me give it a try.
[18:50] <HighAndDry> then it starts anyway, and everything seems to be fine but i can't hear any sound
[18:51] <HighAndDry> any ideas?
[18:52] <DaddyLonglegs> halfsane: Banshee's gonna install one half of the Gnome libraries for me. :D
[18:53] <DaddyLonglegs> [TCK]: How can I change video output in VLC?
[18:53] <halfsane> DaddyLonglegs: yeah, it has a lot of dependencies... i didnt notice so much i guess because i have gnome installed as well
[18:53] <kronicKoH> We have any designers in the room, GRAPHIC?
[18:54] <halfsane> DaddyLonglegs: to test all you have to do is close amarok... that did it for me, then i had to choose a new player
[18:55] <DaddyLonglegs> halfsane: My amarok was already closed when all this happened. I hate gnome, btw.
[18:55] <halfsane> DaddyLonglegs: then you dont have the problem i had , i dont know what to tell ya...
[18:55] <halfsane> DaddyLonglegs: make sure you have the restricted packages
[18:57] <DaddyLonglegs> halfsane: I do. I just installed fglrx, the AMD/ATI proprietory driver for my graphics. Maybe the problems is that?
[18:58] <halfsane> DaddyLonglegs: how fast is your cpu?
[18:58] <DaddyLonglegs> halfsane: 2.4 GHz, core 2 duo
[18:59] <halfsane> DaddyLonglegs: did the driver work for ya?
[19:00] <DaddyLonglegs> halfsane: Yes. Everything was fine so far. I'd never played any video until today when this happened.
[19:01] <SimonS> good evening
[19:06] <[TCK]> DaddyLongLegs: video and ATI driver problems is what's causing me to reinstall Kubuntu :(
[19:07] <trevor> has anyone here tried sabayon 4.0
[19:07] <DaddyLonglegs> [TCK]: You mean the problem is due to fglrx (ATI proprietory driver)?
[19:07] <ActionParsnip1> !ot | trevor
[19:12] <bishopz> who here is familiar with mounting and unmounting for external hard drives?
[19:12] <Muzer> I'm using the NVIDIA TwinView thing to get multiple monitors (no idea if that is some NVIDIA-specific thing or if it's standard, I don't think it matters for this query), but most (not all) windows for some reason spawn on the left monitor, when I want stuff to by default spawn on the right. How do I go about setting this?
[19:13] <Muzer> note that the left monitor is 1024x768, in case I need to input the resolution as a constant or something
[19:13] <DaSkreech> bishopz: I am
[19:13] <bishopz> ok, quick question..
[19:14] <bishopz> i have a WD external, it auto mounts to my desktop its filled with music and movies
[19:14] <bishopz> it says mounted
[19:14] <bishopz> but dont play anything
[19:14] <bishopz> doesnt even read the filees
[19:14] <DaSkreech> bishopz: what happens when you tpye mount on the terminal
[19:14] <DaSkreech> Do you see the drive there?
[19:14] <halfsane> Muzer: i think what your looking for is in settings -> window behavior -> advanced -> window specific
[19:14] <bishopz> nope
[19:15] <Muzer> halfsane: I found that, but it's a little confusing
[19:15] <bishopz> i plug it in, it shows "my book" on desk top
[19:15] <DaSkreech> bishopz: when you type sudo fdisk -l do you see it there ?
[19:15] <bishopz> properties
[19:15] <bishopz> says mounted
[19:15] <bishopz> hang on let mne check
[19:16] <Muzer> I can click Posititon, Apply Initially
[19:16] <derdon> Hi guys! How can I set the background in Konsole transparent?
[19:16] <Muzer> but then there's just one box
[19:16] <Muzer> do I type 1024x0 in there or something?
[19:16] <DaSkreech> as I recall it gets mounted when you click it or something
[19:17] <bishopz> it does mount just to desk hang on checking terminal now
[19:17] <DaSkreech> ok
[19:18] <halfsane> Muzer: i never used the menu, but ya, it looks confusing !  haha
[19:18] <bishopz> ok its not showing
[19:19] <DaSkreech> bishopz: hrrm
[19:19] <DaSkreech> USB drive I take it?
[19:19] <DaSkreech> or firewire ?
[19:19] <bishopz> yea
[19:19] <bishopz> usb
[19:19] <DaSkreech> sudo lsusb
[19:19] <DaSkreech> see if it shows up there
[19:20] <bishopz> Bus 005 Device 007: ID 1058:0903 Western Digital Technologies, Inc.
[19:20] <Muzer> I tried what I said, doesn't seem tow ork
[19:20] <bishopz> shows there
[19:20] <Muzer> ah well
[19:20] <Muzer> I'll just move them manually :(
[19:20] <halfsane> Muzer: i know it can work, I have just never needed it myself... someone should be able to help you
[19:20] <Muzer> I suppose the other way is to physically move my monitor and then set the minor one to the right, don't want to do that though :p
[19:20] <DaSkreech> bishopz: pastebin the output of mount and of ls /dev/sd*
[19:21] <bishopz> ok imcompltely new to linux  lol that justwent over my head
[19:21] <Muzer> aha
[19:21] <bishopz> :(
[19:21] <Muzer> placement, force temporarily, under mouse
[19:21] <Muzer> that helps
[19:22] <Muzer> since the panel is on my major screen
[19:23] <DaSkreech> !paste | bishopz
[19:23] <DaSkreech> run mount
[19:24] <DaSkreech> then run ls /dev/sd* and paste the output from each in that site
[19:24] <canosayan> hi
[19:24] <bishopz> ok brb
[19:24] <DaSkreech>  when it's finished give us back the URL it produces here
[19:24] <DaSkreech> !hi
[19:25] <shadeslayer> ok, i just had a brainwave
[19:25] <shadeslayer> can i install GNOME from a ubuntu CD
[19:25] <DaSkreech> no
[19:25] <DaSkreech> well yes
[19:25] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: you can use the cd as a repo
[19:25] <shadeslayer> :)
[19:25] <casimodo> #Ubuntu - fr
[19:25] <DaSkreech> but not a live CD
[19:25] <DaSkreech> !fr | casimodo
[19:26] <shadeslayer> then which one??
[19:26] <shadeslayer> like i just want GNOME along side KDE
[19:27] <shadeslayer> should i ask this in #ubuntu??
[19:27] <DaSkreech> shadeslayer: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[19:27] <DaSkreech> done
[19:27] <shadeslayer> ill have to download then
[19:27] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[19:28] <shadeslayer> try downloading 200 MB on 128 kbps connection
[19:28] <shadeslayer> :(
[19:28] <DaSkreech> if you don't want to download then use the Ubuntu alternate CD or the ubuntu DVd
[19:29] <shadeslayer> again download,since i have neither
[19:29] <shadeslayer> :P
[19:30] <DaSkreech> shadeslayer: If you have someone on the network with Gnome you can copy it over from them
[19:30] <shadeslayer> like someone sharing a server,uh nope
[19:31] <DaSkreech> shadeslayer: Download then. The good part is that you can resume
[19:31] <shadeslayer> hm im asking in #ubuntu to see if someone might know
[19:31] <shadeslayer> :)
[19:31] <DaSkreech> So if you stop and shut off the computer and come back two days later it picks up from where it left off
[19:32] <shadeslayer> i dont close the terminal right
[19:32] <Laeborg-lap> a good program to stream mp3 to a shoutcast server?
[19:33] <DaSkreech> shadeslayer: You can shut off the computer
[19:33] <DaSkreech> !info icecast
[19:33] <ActionParsnip1> Laeborg-lap: i think vlc does it
[19:33] <DaSkreech> !find icecast
[19:33] <DaSkreech> !info icecast2
[19:34] <Laeborg-lap> anything like SAM Broadcaster?
[19:34] <shadeslayer> ok gtg,had this brain wave as i was getting into bed :P
[19:34] <shadeslayer> bye all
[19:34] <DaSkreech> Laeborg-lap: That's the Missile launch program? :)
[19:34] <DaSkreech> shadeslayer: You can leave it downloading while you sleep :)
[19:34] <Laeborg-lap> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=11411&iTestingId=26865
[19:34] <DaSkreech> In that case you don't close the terminal :)
[19:35] <shadeslayer> DaSkreech: i have a torrent downloading in the background in windows :P
[19:35] <shadeslayer> ill leave it tommorow
[19:35] <shadeslayer> *nigh
[19:35] <shadeslayer> pnight
[19:35] <DaSkreech> Ha ha Well you sound like a professional downloader
[19:35] <shadeslayer> god
[19:35] <DaSkreech> I'll stop giving you advice :)
[19:35] <shadeslayer> typing in the dark is not easy
[19:36] <shadeslayer> :)
[19:36] <shadeslayer> thanks for the help anyways
[19:36] <shadeslayer> byeeee
[19:36] <DaSkreech> byeeeee
[19:37] <ActionParsnip1> professional downloader?
[19:37] <ActionParsnip1> thats funny
[19:43] <shadeslayer> back in windows
[19:51] <ccherrett> what is th best way to install nvidia drivers?
[19:52] <jussi01> ccherrett: kmenu - system - hardware drivers
[19:52] <ActionParsnip1> !paste
[19:52] <tuxi> ccherrett, go to System/Hardware Drivers
[19:52] <ccherrett> jussi01: System Settings?
[19:53] <ccherrett> jussi01: kde4 here
[19:53] <jussi01> ccherrett: no
[19:53] <jussi01> ccherrett: system, hardware drivers
[19:53] <ccherrett> jussi01: ah got it
[19:53] <ccherrett> thanks
[19:53] <tuxi> I don't use the new menu
[19:54] <StatuZ> Good evening.
[19:55] <StatuZ> I just reinstalled kubuntu, but i cant get a networkconnection
[19:56] <tuxi> StatuZ, wired or wireless
[19:56] <StatuZ> both
[19:56] <ccherrett> jussi01: it did not find any drivers
[19:56] <tuxi> are you using knetworkmanager?
[19:57] <tuxi> ccherrett, which card do you have?
[19:57] <StatuZ> knetworkmanager is standard installed, so yes.
[19:57] <tuxi> dynamic address?
[19:57] <StatuZ>  DHCP
[19:57] <ccherrett> tuxi: spoke to soon
[19:57] <ccherrett> thanks
[19:57] <ccherrett> all better
[19:58] <tuxi> you found it then, ccherrett?
[19:58] <tuxi> StatuZ, I'm not thinking clearly hopefully someone else can help
[19:59] <StatuZ>  Anyone else then. Im trying to get a DHCP internetconnection, it works on other installations, but in kubuntu it wont start
[20:00] <bishopz> ok
[20:00] <bishopz> now its saying
[20:00] <bishopz> that its a read only
[20:01] <bishopz> its mounted to /media
[20:01] <bishopz> it installed some windows components
[20:01] <GWild> can someone here answer a question about the fstab file (Intrepid 8.10 and new Kub user)?
[20:01] <bishopz> since i have no windows anything
[20:01] <bishopz> now trying to change it around in properties to view files
[20:01] <bishopz> says its a read only
[20:02] <shadeslayer> !ask | GWild
[20:02] <bishopz> Sorry, could not change the permissions of "My Book": Error setting permissions: Read-only file system
[20:02] <shadeslayer> !ask | GWild
[20:03] <DaSkreech> bishopz: read only means you can read it
[20:03] <shadeslayer> !ask | GWild
[20:03] <DaSkreech> shadeslayer: sstop that
[20:03] <bishopz> DaSkreech: i know, but how do i access the files
[20:03] <DaSkreech> bishopz: you should be able to
[20:03] <shadeslayer> what??
[20:03] <shadeslayer> i didnt do anything/
[20:03] <GWild> I have recently rearranged my system to include a new drive onto which I will move /home.  I need to modify fstab to enter the new mountpoints and there are entries in the fstab I've never seen before - do I have to use those long UUID's or can I simply use the /dev/sdx format?
[20:03] <DaSkreech> shadeslayer: you gave the message already stop spamming
[20:04] <bishopz> so maybe its the drive its'self
[20:04] <shadeslayer> oh
[20:04] <DaSkreech> GWild: You can sue both
[20:04] <DaSkreech> !uuid
[20:04] <shadeslayer> sue :O
[20:04] <DaSkreech> GWild: UUIDs are used in Ubuntu since if the mount point changes it will still find the right drive and mount it at the right place
[20:04] <shadeslayer> why are you gonna sue me and ubottu??
[20:04] <shadeslayer> :P
[20:05] <DaSkreech> shadeslayer: Cause you slay in the shade!
[20:05] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[20:05] <GWild> DaSkreech: I see, thank you for the info
[20:05] <shadeslayer> :)
[20:05] <DaSkreech> bishopz: More likely it's that it has some protection thing on it
[20:06] <bishopz> if i do sudo blkid, ... it brings up /dev/sdb1
[20:07] <bishopz> it shows it there
[20:07] <DaSkreech> bishopz: That's probably your drive
[20:07] <bishopz> SEC_TYPE="msdos" LABEL="My Book" UUID="96D8-AEA8" TYPE="vfat"
[20:07] <DaSkreech> Lets try something
[20:07] <bishopz> ok
[20:07] <DaSkreech> mkdir drive
[20:07] <DaSkreech> sudo mount /dev/sdb1 drive
[20:07] <DaSkreech> ls drive
[20:07] <DaSkreech> see what that does
[20:08] <bishopz> mount: /dev/sdb1 already mounted or drive busy
[20:08] <bishopz> mount: according to mtab, /dev/sdb1 is mounted on /media/My Book
[20:09] <SiVA__> man... I keep getting booted from irc
[20:09] <DaSkreech> bishopz: ls /media/My\ Book
[20:09] <badpc> how can i see how much disk space i have?
[20:09] <DaSkreech> du
[20:09] <DaSkreech> wait
[20:09] <DaSkreech>  df
[20:09] <bishopz> ls: cannot access /media/My Book/FOUND.000: Input/output error
[20:10] <bishopz> FOUND.000                   Recycled              System Volume Information
[20:10] <DaSkreech> bishopz: that's all? no listing of directories ?
[20:10] <bishopz> important stuff to back up  resycled
[20:10] <DaSkreech> bishopz: That's all that's on the drive ?
[20:10] <bishopz> $RECYCLE.BIN                Rjays Music - Movies
[20:10] <DaSkreech> Ah ok
[20:10] <ActionParsnip1> badpc: df -h
[20:10] <bishopz> nope thats it
[20:10] <ActionParsnip1> DaSkreech: -h makes it humanly readable
[20:11] <DaSkreech> ActionParsnip1: I know
[20:11] <bishopz> but if i plug it in to a windows machine, it works perfectly fine
[20:11] <DaSkreech> but much less accurate
[20:11] <DaSkreech> bishopz: Yeah assumingit doesn't have a Program requirement it should work
[20:11] <bishopz> yea, it runs fine on windows, problem is, i dont have windows
[20:11] <DaSkreech> :-)
[20:12] <StatuZ> Anyone knows why i cant get a DHCP connection with KNetworkManager?
[20:12] <DaSkreech> ok does dolphin /media/My\ Book work ?
[20:12] <Level15> StatuZ: b/c the dhcp server might be down? :P
[20:12] <bishopz> installing dolphin
[20:12] <bishopz> hang on
[20:12] <StatuZ> Level15, Its up and running
[20:12] <DaSkreech> bishopz: you don't have it?
[20:12] <badpc> ActionParsnip1: linux is crazy it doesnt use hardly any space
[20:12] <DaSkreech> bishopz: This Gnome ?
[20:13] <Level15> StatuZ: try to get the address on the command line
[20:13] <bishopz> Yes
[20:13] <DaSkreech> badpc: considering
[20:13] <StatuZ> hmm?
[20:13] <Level15> StatuZ: sudo dhclient
[20:13] <DaSkreech> bishopz: the do nautilus /media/My\ Book
[20:13] <DaSkreech> then
[20:14] <badpc> DaSkreech: considering my vista takes up almost 30gig of hard drive space on a fresh install
[20:14] <DaSkreech> badpc: I'm just saying hat 2.5 Gigs is still a decent amount of space to take up
[20:14] <bishopz> it brought me to properties
[20:15] <DaSkreech> but considering the competition and what comes in the default then yeah it's tiny
[20:15] <alakhia> hi, doesn't anyone know how I can play "video/x-m4v" mime-type in firefox?
[20:15] <DaSkreech> bishopz: o_O
[20:15] <bishopz> yea lol
[20:15] <badpc> DaSkreech: yeah i was just comparing to windows
[20:15] <DaSkreech> badpc: That's with MS office installed?
[20:15] <bishopz> It opened to the proerties, i go to folder acess, and click acess files
[20:15] <bishopz> it denies me
[20:15] <DaSkreech> bishopz: open nautilus and see if you can browse to /media
[20:15] <badpc> DaSkreech: no i dont have office
[20:16] <DaSkreech> badpc: Hmm that's like 10Gb itself
[20:16] <alakhia> anyone?
[20:16] <StatuZ> Level15, Done. It is discovering a lot of things on eth0, pan0, wlan0 and wmaster0. "No DHCPOFFERS recieved."
[20:16] <badpc> DaSkreech: yes it is
[20:16] <bishopz> OMFG
[20:16] <DaSkreech> alakhia: try mozilla-mplayer
[20:16] <bishopz> I INSTALLED DOLPHIN
[20:16] <bishopz> ran it
[20:16] <bishopz> :O
[20:16] <bishopz> IT WORKED... dude i love u
[20:16] <DaSkreech> and it worked?
[20:17] <bishopz> lolol
[20:17] <DaSkreech> yeah I was trying to figure why it wouldn't work
[20:17] <DaSkreech>  that made no sense to me
[20:17] <bishopz> U just saved me so much time and money
[20:17] <alakhia> DaSkreech: I already have mozilla-mplayer installed
[20:17] <ActionParsnip1> alakhia: apt-cache seach vlc | grep plug
[20:17] <DaSkreech> alakhia: Oh umm ok does mplayer play m4v ?
[20:18] <ActionParsnip1> alakhia: sudo apt-get install mozilla-plugin-vlc
[20:18] <bishopz> DaSkreech: Now everytime i wanna open it do i have to run thru dolphin in terminal?
[20:18] <alakhia> DaSkreech: i don't have a local file that I can try to play using mplayer
[20:18] <ActionParsnip1> alakhia: i think vlc can handle them, you may need codecs
[20:19] <DaSkreech> bishopz: No just alt+f2
[20:19] <DaSkreech> dolphin
[20:19] <StatuZ> Level15, Done. It is discovering a lot of things on eth0, pan0, wlan0 and wmaster0. "No DHCPOFFERS recieved."
[20:19] <bishopz> ;) tyvm
[20:19] <DaSkreech> Dolphin should have a places bar on the ... right I think
[20:19] <DaSkreech> you can just click the device
[20:19] <alakhia> ActionParsnip1: let me try ... looking for vlc plugin for mozilla
[20:20] <alakhia> ActionParsnip1: ok, am installing 31mb's worth of stuff ... let's see what happens
[20:22] <bishopz> lol now if u could teach me how to fully install compiz and get that working id almost be happy ;x
[20:23] <alakhia> ActionParsnip1: installed, restarted firefox, still no dice
[20:23] <ActionParsnip1> alakhia: hmmm
[20:24] <alakhia> ActionParsnip1: looked in the html file and figured out the url ... am downloading the file to see if mplayer plays it directly
[20:24] <DaSkreech> bishopz: apt-get install compiz ccsm
[20:24] <alakhia> ActionParsnip1: trailers on apple.com work fine. I think those are encoded using H.264 or something
[20:24] <bishopz> is that complete?
[20:25] <bishopz> nothing else needed
[20:25] <ActionParsnip1> bishopz: sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[20:25] <alakhia> ActionParsnip1: so, mplayer doesn't play the file either ... shows random noise
[20:26] <ActionParsnip1> alakhia: then you need codecs
[20:26] <ActionParsnip1> !codecs | alakhia
[20:27] <DaSkreech> bishopz: Yeah
[20:29] <pippo_> hallo
[20:29] <pippo_> !list
[20:29] <bishopz> damn playback on linux for avi is decent
[20:31] <ActionParsnip1> bishopz: its a well documented format so codecs can be decent
[20:31] <alakhia> i see all kinds of variations for gstreamer plugins, good, bad, ugly, really-bad, multiverse variant
[20:32] <bishopz> ive noticed. the external i have has 100 movies and over 100thousand mp3s
[20:32] <bishopz> -running thru them all now
[20:37] <alakhia> ActionParsnip1: i've downloaded several gstreamer plugin versions but it doesn't seem to help
[20:38] <alakhia> ActionParsnip1: I also have w32codecs
[20:38] <alakhia> here is the web page in question in case that helps: https://www.miroguide.com/items/1463207
[20:39] <alakhia> when i got to this page, i just see a "Click here to download plugin" in the preview window
[20:39] <ActionParsnip1> alakhia: ok whats the plugin it wants to download?
[20:40] <alakhia> I'm told: "Unknown plugin (video/x-m4v)"
[20:40] <alakhia> ahh, it plays in mplayer
[20:40] <alakhia> just can't get firefox to play
[20:41] <alakhia> it is a big file and wouldn't play in mplayer all this time because it wasn't completely downloaded
[20:42] <alakhia> so I think my problem is to just convince firefox that it can play this mime-type
[20:42] <alakhia> using mplayer
[20:42] <alakhia> if I do: "about:plugins" ... i don't see x-m4v anywhere
[20:50] <bishopz> is there a volume booster of some sorts?
[20:50] <shadeslayer|away> bishopz, low volume??
[20:50] <bishopz> extremely
[20:51] <shadeslayer> bishopz, open the mixer
[20:51] <bishopz> where is it
[20:51] <shadeslayer> and then the settings and enable everything
[20:51] <shadeslayer> uh bottom right
[20:51] <shadeslayer> click on the sound icon
[20:52] <bishopz> oh yea, lol everything is up.
[20:52] <shadeslayer> everything set to max??
[20:52] <EnzoTaglia> hi
[20:52] <bishopz> mhm
[20:52] <shadeslayer> then get VLC
[20:53] <bishopz> sudo get-apt vlc ?
[20:53] <shadeslayer> yeah
[20:54] <bishopz> grrr command not found
[20:54] <shadeslayer|away> what!!!!!!!!!!!
[20:54] <shadeslayer> apt-get loll
[20:54] <shadeslayer> not get-apt
[20:54] <Huntz> lol
[20:54] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[20:55] <bishopz> i did that
[20:55] <shadeslayer> what??
[20:55] <shadeslayer> sudo apt-get install vlc
[20:55] <bishopz> ah
[20:55] <shadeslayer> XD
[20:55] <bishopz> lol
[20:55] <shadeslayer> :D
[20:56] <Huntz> so I am struggling with command line and perl
[20:56] <bishopz> ive been trying to get this system running smoothly all day
[20:56] <bishopz> its amazing how a simple word such as instal
[20:56] <bishopz> u lose so much translation
[20:56] <shadeslayer> bishopz, it wont for a few days
[20:56] <shadeslayer> :)
[20:56] <bishopz> lol
[20:56] <Huntz> while trying to get out of my end of life versions
[20:56] <bishopz> ive noticed
[20:56] <bishopz> lol, i fix one thing and find 8 more things that should run better
[20:57] <shadeslayer> yeah,youll never be happy for the first week
[20:57] <Huntz> I'll second that
[20:58] <bishopz> lol
[20:58] <Huntz> I'd be even happier if I would just break down and buy a linux friendly printer
[20:59] <bishopz> lol
[20:59] <dromer> hi all, with a couple of programs I'm having the following problem: NVIDIA: could not open the device file /dev/nvidiactl (Permission denied).
[20:59] <bishopz>  screw that one thing i learned quick was the bluetooth settings
[20:59] <bishopz> lmfao
[20:59] <dromer> I've seen various awnsers to this online, but I'm not sure what to do with my system
[21:00] <shadeslayer> dromer, tried reinitializing the drivers
[21:00] <olebohem> hello all, can anyone help me with this: I am currently trying to play commandos 2 trough wine. Everything seems to work very good, but when I try to play multiplayer, it says that tcp/ip is not available.
[21:00] <dromer> shadeslayer: no, should I do that?
[21:00] <olebohem> I have played warcraft 3 through wine and the network works fine
[21:00] <shadeslayer> dromer, K>apps>system>hardware drivers
[21:00] <shadeslayer> also
[21:01] <shadeslayer> !nvidia | dromer
[21:01] <olebohem> can`t find any solution online:/
[21:01] <alakhia> ActionParsnip1: i hacked the plugin.dat file myself
[21:01] <shadeslayer> hearts, welcome back
[21:01] <alakhia> ActionParsnip1: i added: "28:video/x-m4v:MPEG 4 Video:m4v:$" and incremented the counter from 28 to 29
[21:01] <hearts> sup dude.
[21:02] <hearts> i was letting my comp rest for a bit
[21:02] <hearts> =P
[21:02] <shadeslayer> im going to sleep for the 5th time
[21:02] <shadeslayer> XD
[21:02] <shadeslayer> byee
[21:02] <hearts> lol
[21:02] <hearts> peace
[21:02] <bishopz> vlc is nice
[21:02] <[TCK]> ever?
[21:02] <shadeslayer> dromer, ask here again if the problem persists
[21:03] <shadeslayer> bishopz, well known fact
[21:03] <dromer> shadeslayer: kay, lemme check\
[21:03] <bishopz> thanks for the heads up
[21:03] <shadeslayer> dromer, quickly,coz im sleeping in 2 min
[21:03] <shadeslayer> np
[21:03] <shadeslayer> !away | Roozbeh|Away
[21:04] <shadeslayer> oh my
[21:04] <shadeslayer> that didnt go right
[21:04] <Huntz> anyone familiar with the EOLupgrade procedure?
[21:04] <shadeslayer> !eol | Huntz
[21:04] <shadeslayer> oh
[21:04] <shadeslayer> you want to upgrade from eol??
[21:04] <Huntz> Yes I know, and I have already been from edgy to feisty
[21:05] <Huntz> but I am have a problem with a command
[21:05] <shadeslayer> Huntz, and now to Interpid?
[21:05] <Huntz> no unfortunately fiesty is also EOL
[21:05] <shadeslayer> :)
[21:05] <Huntz> so I need to go to gutsy
[21:05] <shadeslayer> well no idea
[21:05] <hearts> i thought you were going to sleep
[21:05] <shadeslayer> hehe
[21:05] <Huntz> hes got one min..lol
[21:06] <shadeslayer> see what i mean for the 5th tome
[21:06] <shadeslayer> *time
[21:06] <shadeslayer> dromer, you done yet??
[21:06] <dromer> shadeslayer: I just de-activate and re-activate the drivers? because it says I have the recomended drivers
[21:06] <shadeslayer> yeah,there should be a green light next to them
[21:06] <shadeslayer> :P
[21:06] <dromer> there is
[21:07] <shadeslayer> then the drivers are working fine
[21:07] <Huntz> Shadeslayer: its a perl command for making changes in the repositories
[21:07] <dromer> hmmm, it seems to be stuck
[21:07] <dromer> shadeslayer: oh -_-
[21:07] <shadeslayer> what happened?
[21:07] <dromer> so, what do I do then?
[21:07] <shadeslayer> hmm
[21:08] <shadeslayer> hearts, any idea?
[21:08] <dromer> nothing, I'm not logged in a a sudoer atm, so I ran the program as my other user over x-forwarding .. which borked I guess, but it's ok
[21:08] <shadeslayer> im out in 10,9,8...
[21:08] <hearts> whats the problem?
[21:08] <hearts> trying to update?
[21:08] <shadeslayer> nope
 hi all, with a couple of programs I'm having the following problem: NVIDIA: could not open the device file /dev/nvidiactl (Permission denied).
[21:08] <shadeslayer> bye
[21:08] <dromer> hearts: I'm getting NVIDIA: could not open the device file /dev/nvidiactl (Permission denied).  with some programs, and it has something to do with permissions on /dev/nvidia
[21:08] <hearts> driver issues?
[21:08]  * shadeslayer goes
[21:09] <dromer> from what I found
[21:09] <hearts> get on administrator
[21:09] <dromer> what do you mean?
[21:10] <hearts> did you try changing permissions on your reg account?
[21:10] <dromer> I'm not sure what you mean
[21:10] <hearts> all right
[21:10] <hearts> are you trying to download something and it's telling you that
[21:10] <dromer> if I change any permissions on /dev/nvidia they get reset on reboot
[21:11] <dromer> no
[21:11] <dromer> I'm trying to run various programs and i't telling me that (ie FretsOnFIre or GoogleEarth)
[21:11] <hearts> ohh...
[21:11] <hearts> and you got an nvidia card
[21:11] <hearts> ?
[21:11] <dromer> yes
[21:11] <bishopz> any decent theme packages anyone knows of?
[21:11] <hearts> ok
[21:12] <dromer> why else would I get a nvidia-error?
[21:12] <hearts> did you try reinstalling the drivers?
[21:12] <shadeslayer> :)
[21:12] <dromer> that's what shadeslayer said, but I don't remember how to do that
[21:12] <hearts> shade
[21:12] <shadeslayer> ??
[21:12] <dromer> and I checked in jockey-kde but the driver seems to be ok
[21:12] <hearts> would it be one set of drivers for every nvidia card?
[21:13] <dromer> shadeslayer: you where leaving :)
[21:13] <shadeslayer> how about deactivating drivers and then following instructions here
[21:13] <Huntz> nvidia drivers are uni
[21:13] <shadeslayer> !nvidia
[21:13] <shadeslayer> :D
[21:13] <shadeslayer> you know me
[21:13] <hearts> they're universal?
[21:13] <Huntz> at least all the ones I used in debian
[21:14] <Huntz> right from nvid
[21:14] <hearts> yeah i would assume so too
[21:14] <hearts> thats why i asked
[21:14] <hearts> all right
[21:14] <hearts> well, dromer you need to figure out how to install the drivers again
[21:14] <hearts> then reinstall it
[21:14] <hearts> and hopefully that would fix your issue
[21:14]  * shadeslayer ducks under the pillow
[21:14] <hearts> this is why i virtualize =P
[21:14] <dromer> -_-
[21:15] <Huntz> if nvid is still on the linux wagon they have a fairly competent hot install
[21:15] <Huntz> err, *how
[21:15] <Huntz> *to
[21:15] <hearts> yup
[21:15] <hearts> just google dude.
[21:15] <dromer> I'm looking at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[21:16] <Huntz> does anyone know is flashplayer 10 only for 8.04 and above?
[21:17] <hearts> flashplayer is the latest one right?
[21:17] <Huntz> I tried to install it today and it barked at me that I am running an unsupported os
[21:17] <Huntz> hearts: yes
[21:17] <hearts> are you using an older ubuntu os
[21:17] <Huntz> yes, actually the latesst and greatest End of LIfe Feisty
[21:18] <hearts> lol
[21:18] <hearts> thats your issue brah
[21:18] <hearts> why you using it?
[21:18] <Huntz> well I am in the proccess of getting back upto speed
[21:18] <Huntz> I was using edgy
[21:19] <Huntz> and lets jsut say that the EOLUpgrade page has just a few stickups that I cant figure out
[21:20] <shadeslayer> [Global Notice] Hi all, I'm about to take services down for an upgrade, this means that for the duration of the downtime the network will be without our friends NickServ, ChanServ and so forth -- the upgrade shouldn't take long, but feel free to cross fingers and toes for luck regardless! I'm sorry for the inconvenience and hope you have a nice Sunday!
[21:20] <Huntz> either someone will go hey, I know that, or I will have an ephany in a week and figure it out
[21:20] <shadeslayer> thats from Christel
[21:20] <hearts> i got that too
[21:20] <shadeslayer> :)
[21:20] <hearts> who is christel
[21:21] <shadeslayer> operator
[21:21] <shadeslayer> freenode op to be exact
[21:21] <Huntz> I was hopin DaSkreech was on, but just as I popped in he left
[21:22] <hrock> hola como estan
[21:23] <Kerry_Ki810> hi
[21:23] <hearts> who ops this room
[21:23] <hrock> alguien sabe como ponerle la barra de titulo a las ventanas despues de instalar compiz fusion
[21:24] <Kerry_Ki810> somebody help me please - in KDE 3.5 I used to be able to select a different wallpaper for each desktop - now I can't find the option in KDE4
[21:24] <hearts> =/
[21:24] <hrock> en ubuntu 8.4
[21:24] <hearts> =\
[21:25] <shadeslayer> Kerry_Ki810, no help,its designed that way
[21:25] <shadeslayer> :(
[21:26] <Huntz> arent you goin to bed yet?
[21:26] <Kerry_Ki810> oh dear..... so I can't do anything about it?
[21:26] <shadeslayer> i dont think so
[21:26] <Kerry_Ki810> I'll just have to concentrate that little bit harder when I'm working between desktops
[21:26] <shadeslayer> i thought i saw a link some days earlier,google might help
[21:26] <shadeslayer> :P
[21:26] <Huntz> did you google and see if anyone else has dicussed it
[21:27] <Kerry_Ki810> no but i looked on ubuntuforums - nothing
[21:27] <hrock> someone knows how to put the title bar of windows after install compiz fusion
[21:27] <hrock> ubuntu 8.4
[21:28] <Huntz> start a thread and see if anyone pipes up witha  solution
[21:29] <bishopz> i need better themessssss
[21:29] <xgus> did some body have used vpn on a nortel contivity ?
[21:29] <Kerry_Ki810> I'll do that
[21:30] <hrock> bye
[21:30] <Huntz> it prolly get answered quicker than mine do...lol
[21:31] <xgus> where can i get some docs of how to configure it?
[21:31] <bishopz> if i download themes where do i move the folder to to instal
[21:31] <Huntz> dunno, never nabbed new themes myself
[21:31] <bishopz> :(
[21:32] <Huntz> maybe I should surf, we can blow up KDE together...lol
[21:32] <bishopz> rofl
[21:33] <Huntz> wb chanserv...lol
[21:33] <Huntz> !wheather
[21:33] <Huntz> lol
[21:33] <chaosr> hey, what's wrong with KDE, it doesnt really start after the last update
[21:33] <shadeslayer> !weather
[21:33] <shadeslayer> :O
[21:33] <chaosr> now chatting using irssi _O-
[21:33] <shadeslayer> !find weather
[21:34] <shadeslayer> XD
[21:34] <Huntz> laf
[21:34] <Huntz> gotto love bots
[21:35] <shadeslayer> chaosr, youre too vague
[21:35] <shadeslayer> did you updaate using adept??
[21:35] <chaosr> well, I assume more computers have this, kubuntu 8.10, after the last update you can log in, but does nothing more than show an empty screen
[21:35] <shadeslayer> yeah
[21:35] <shadeslayer> drop to a console login
[21:35] <chaosr> updated using adept, and after that command line apt-get install -f
[21:35] <Huntz> I ahve seen a bit of that in the forums
[21:36] <shadeslayer> and do sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[21:36] <chaosr> k
[21:36] <shadeslayer> adept removed your kde
[21:36] <chaosr> that's odd
[21:36] <shadeslayer> i had it till this evening and wham its gone
[21:36] <chaosr> why would it do such a thing
[21:37] <shadeslayer> conflicting packages,stupid adept
[21:37] <tuxi> install synaptic and use it instead
[21:37] <shadeslayer> chaosr, use konsole from now on,adept is stupid
[21:37] <shadeslayer> :P
[21:37] <chaosr> hehe
[21:37] <chaosr> indeed
[21:37] <shadeslayer> or packagekit
[21:38] <chaosr> use the console most of the time, really oldskool xD
[21:38] <Huntz> thats why I have been following the command lon only for EOL, I felt better going that way
[21:38] <shadeslayer> :)
[21:38] <Huntz> now I need to figure out this perl line and I will a step closer to up to date
[21:43] <hrock> hola
[21:43] <hrock> hi
[21:44] <hrock>
[21:44] <hrock> someone knows how to put the title bar of windows after install compiz fusion
[21:44] <Huntz> hi
[21:44] <hrock> in ubuntu 8.4
[21:49] <matisse> hi
[21:49] <ghostcube> hrock, nvidia ?
[21:50] <matisse> I just installed kde4, just for testing it... but I doesn't look very nice. Are there some ways to transfor some kde3 settings to kde4?
[21:52] <Huntz> I have heard it looks simplistic
[21:52] <matisse> F.e. the font size of some is TOOOOOO small
[21:53] <matisse> task line looks different, favourite programs in k menu are away
[21:54] <matisse> And, is there a way to let apt* show me all the recommended packages again which where shown, when I installed kde4?
[21:54] <Huntz> hmmmm, stumped
[21:56] <matisse> It seems to be possible to let kde4 take all old config files, changing $kdehome
[21:56] <goofey> hrock: I think you might want the ubuntu channel, not kubuntu
[21:57] <Huntz> but if 4 doesnt support something that 3 does it could break it
[21:57] <Huntz> or even vice versa
[21:59] <matisse> Huntz: right, so I make a backup of the old stuff
[21:59] <Huntz> wb hearts
[22:00] <bishopz> lol im so bored im customizing my appearances
[22:00] <bishopz> if i could get compiz to run right
[22:00] <bishopz> id be straight
[22:00] <badpc> anyone know y my computer will not start up when i install my Hauppauge 1600 tuner card?
[22:01] <Huntz> bad card?
[22:02] <Huntz> does it POST?
[22:02] <badpc> Huntz: no its brand new
[22:03] <badpc> Huntz: it starts to boot and gets to a screen that says checking battery state then freezes
[22:04] <Huntz> have you taken it out and it runs fine?
[22:05] <badpc> Huntz: yes it does
[22:05] <Huntz> sounds like the card is rasing heck for sure
[22:06] <badpc> Huntz: yup not sure y or how to diognose whats going on
[22:06] <badpc> Huntz: the same card works great on my vista machine
[22:06] <Huntz> is the battery state part of the PC's normal post with out the card
[22:07] <badpc> Huntz: yes
[22:07] <Huntz> I know my BFG vid card has its own post so I ahd to ask
[22:08] <matisse> ok, forcing 96 dpi seems to help
[22:08] <badpc> Huntz: by having its own post you mean what?
[22:08] <matisse> (with font size)
[22:08] <hearts> lol
[22:08] <Huntz> like my video card puts up its gpu specs and memspec before the PC does
[22:08] <hearts> lsd is awesome
[22:10] <Huntz> WinTV-HVR-950Q is this the model?
[22:10] <badpc> Huntz: no its a 1600
[22:10] <matisse> now, I can read again :)
[22:11] <Huntz> oops, thats a usb stick
[22:13] <Huntz> what are you system specs?
[22:17] <badpc> Huntz: p4 3.0ghz with hyperthread 320 gig hard drive 2gigs ram geforce 9500 GT 1gb ddr2 wmp54g wireless card and hauppauge 1600 pci card
[22:18] <Huntz> laf, it definately can handle it
[22:18] <badpc> Huntz: yeah its making me mad
[22:19] <badpc> Huntz: couse i hate using vista
[22:19] <Huntz> I know I had a nic card go out and the PC wouldnt even POST
[22:20] <Huntz> you at least get a little start on it
[22:20] <badpc> Huntz: well the bootsplash comes up and does its thing but then nothing
[22:20] <Huntz> did you get the card online?
[22:21] <hansen> Huntz, badpc: a card that is not perfectly in place in it's socket can also cause this (I had that with an eth card once)
[22:21] <badpc> hagabaka: hmmm duly noted
[22:22] <Huntz> ya, new cards can go in crispy sometimes
[22:22] <badpc> Huntz: no i got it from a store here in town
[22:22] <hansen> esp. if it's an old computer with dirt/dust in the unused sockets
[22:22] <Huntz> well if reseating it doesnt do he trick you might try returning it for a different one
[22:23] <hansen> clean with contact spray and insert/remove card several times to give the connectors a good scratching
[22:23] <badpc> Huntz: no i know its not the card couse i have a duel boot system and it boots fine with my vista
[22:24] <hansen> oh
[22:24] <hansen> hardware issues out of question then I guess...
[22:24] <badpc> hansen: yup
[22:24] <Huntz> eeeww
[22:25] <Huntz> bummer
[22:25] <badpc> hansen:  installed mythtv and the drivers but dont know what else it could be
[22:27] <Huntz> what kernel do you have?
[22:27] <Huntz> 2.6.26 I assume
[22:28] <Huntz> just because that what that devices site says it supports
[22:34] <guest_> hi everyone, my moniter begins to tremble/shiver after it's been on for a while, is there anything that can be done??? or is anything wrong???
[22:35] <guest_> moniter screen^
[22:37] <badpc_> Huntz: weird my wireless quits working when i plug in my tuner card
[22:38] <Huntz> that is bizaar, under vista it does?
[22:38] <badpc_> Huntz: no under kubuntu
[22:38] <Huntz> I wonder if its having IRQ conflicts
[22:39] <Huntz> so you got it to boot now?
[22:39] <badpc_> Huntz: kinda whati was thinking but not sure how to diagnose
[22:39] <badpc_> Huntz: no i plugged it in wile in kubuntu lol
[22:40] <dtchen> look at dmesg and /proc/interrupts
[22:40] <dtchen> lspci -v will also tell you resources attempted for claim and drivers active/available
[22:40] <dtchen> badpc_: ^
[22:41] <Huntz> lol, goin for the hot swap
 how many free slots do you have
[22:42] <badpc_> none with the tuner plugged in
 I wonder if it would be worth swappin the cards aound
[22:43] <Huntz> I am out of idears with that
[22:43] <badpc_> Huntz: im up for anything right about now
[22:45] <Huntz> thats about all I got left, with out being more familiar with myth and tuner cards
[22:46] <Tm_T> hi Daviey
[22:49] <Huntz> bishopz: did you find some themes to d/l
[22:50] <Tm_T> _tor: I think you should find another nick for you
[22:54] <heinkel_111> what is nepomukservices and why does it consume 97% cpu on my compouter?
[22:55] <AndySpain> hi!
[22:55] <goosfancito> hi
[22:55] <AndySpain> i have just put a cd into cd tray
[22:55] <AndySpain> where do i find it's content?
[22:55] <AndySpain> in /media/cdrom  there is nothing
[22:55] <goosfancito> why i dont input to ubuntu_es?
[22:57] <AndySpain> and /media/cdrom0 also empty
[22:58] <itsatrick> Woah...what just happened?  I installed updates and now my kde is gone. :(
[23:00] <MegaMetals> Is there any word of when OpenOffice 3 will be avalable ? Or do I need to manual install it?
[23:00] <Tm_T> !openoffice
[23:00] <Tm_T> hmmmh
[23:00] <Tm_T> not that
[23:00] <Tm_T> MegaMetals: you have to install it from different source
[23:01] <MegaMetals> But it's OK to do so ?
[23:01] <Tm_T> MegaMetals: use openoffice ppa source
[23:01] <MegaMetals> Where would I get that
[23:02] <MegaMetals> Also, how would I make my links open in FireFox instead of Konqucrap
[23:02] <AndySpain> why can't i find my audio cd on kubuntu?
[23:02] <AndySpain> cd is in cd tray
[23:02] <Tm_T> MegaMetals: add this to your sources.list : deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ubuntu intrepid main
[23:02] <MegaMetals> Tm_T: I'm using Hardy
[23:02] <MegaMetals> Intrepid wouldn't work correctly
[23:03] <Tm_T> MegaMetals: ah, then switch it accordingly
[23:03] <MegaMetals> Also, what's something like Speedfan ?
[23:04] <Huntz> itsatrick: you need did you just install to 8.10
[23:05] <itsatrick> I've had Intrepid for a while.
[23:05] <itsatrick> There were just 79 upgradable packages, so I installed them.
[23:05] <itsatrick> Aptitutude must have gotten rid of my KDE packages.
[23:05] <aps03pwb> I've just done a standard adept update and on reboot I no longer have window decorations - the whole thing has broken badly
[23:05] <aps03pwb> the same happened on my dads machine
[23:05] <Huntz> I ahve seen that its been taking out the kubuntu-desktop, and not putting it back with kde4
[23:06] <aps03pwb> has there been a major screw up with the repositories?  Anyone else affected?
[23:06] <Tm_T> itsatrick: did you look carefully that you didn't accept any removal
[23:06] <itsatrick> Yes.  All I saw were packages highlighted in blue.
[23:06] <itsatrick> (and green)
[23:07] <Huntz> you on console now?
[23:07] <itsatrick> Yes.
[23:08] <Huntz> sudo updatedb
[23:08] <Huntz> then locate kde
[23:08] <Tm_T> Huntz: that doesnt make much sense
[23:08] <Huntz> it will tell him if kde is still on there
[23:09] <Tm_T> Huntz: what parts of kde? (;
[23:09] <Tm_T> there's no "kde" in that way, really
[23:09] <Tm_T> that "locate kde" will find a lot
[23:09] <itsatrick> Well, the action is eating up a lot of swap space, it looks like.
[23:10] <itsatrick> Okay.  It's finished.  No output.
[23:10] <Huntz> its updating the database
[23:10] <itsatrick> Ah.
[23:10] <Huntz> it never has an output
[23:10] <itsatrick> :)
[23:10] <itsatrick> Still no packages to upgrade in aptitude.
[23:10] <Huntz> you can try the locate jsut to see whats there
[23:10] <Tm_T> it does when errors occur
[23:11] <Huntz> its only for the distro to now where things are when you find or locate then
[23:11] <Huntz> its not only, but that I what I know it to do
[23:12] <Huntz> hmmm, I trying to think of something besides just kde for a locate
[23:12] <itsatrick> So far looks like all kde packages are installed.
[23:12] <Huntz> did you try startx to see if it loads
[23:14] <itsatrick> A few minutes ago, yes.
[23:14] <itsatrick> I can't right now.;
[23:15] <Huntz> what did startx say?
[23:15] <itsatrick> Well, normally, and right now, it says that I don't have permission to run startx.
[23:15] <itsatrick> I'm sudouser in the teriminal.
[23:16] <heinkel_111> !nepomuk
[23:16] <Exilant> and a simple X?
[23:16] <itsatrick> No permission.
[23:17] <Exilant> hm, sudo X?
[23:17] <Exilant> or ...startx
[23:18] <itsatrick> I'll have to log out.
[23:23]  * Huntz is away: Gone away for now.
[23:27] <itsatrick> Alright, still no KDE.
[23:32] <itsatrick> That's okay.  I kind of like gnome.
[23:34] <Epicstri> uhm... Hello?
[23:35] <Epicstri> im looking for help with installing kubuntu
[23:35] <Epicstri> on a fairly old laptop.... that has no internet... is that possible
[23:36] <Epicstri> no one can help?
[23:37] <matisse> can somebody do me a favor? I need a screen shot of "k system setting -> ... -> fonts" from a user who didn't change the standards there (and if possible using kde3)
[23:38] <Epicstri> so many people on and yet no one willing to help a nub...
[23:38] <Epicstri> :(
[23:39] <matisse> to fast, he's gone...
[23:39]  * huntz|away is back.
[23:39] <Huntz> itsatrick: what happen
[23:39] <Epicstri> anyone ther
[23:39] <matisse> yes
[23:40] <Epicstri> can you help me with my problem?
[23:40] <matisse> whats problem you have exactly?
[23:40] <AndySpain> hi!  the only difference between ubuntu and kubuntu is the use of gnome or kde?
[23:40] <Epicstri> Im trying to install Kubuntu on my 7yr old laptop, but its rejecting
[23:41] <Epicstri> and Im not sure why
[23:41] <Epicstri> it just.... stops
[23:41] <AndySpain> if i wanna try ubuntu as well I simply install gnome in my existing kubuntu?
[23:41] <matisse> Epicstri: with a message?
[23:41] <matisse> AndySpain: right
[23:41] <AndySpain> sudo apt-get install gnome ?
[23:41] <Epicstri> no, it freezes during the installation... once during "detecting harware" and once during something else I cant remember, but never with a message
[23:42] <Epicstri> so now I have no op system on the comp
[23:42] <Huntz> that, or maybe gnome-core?
[23:42] <matisse> Epicstri: do you have a live cd?
[23:42] <Epicstri> its kubuntu 6.06 LTS
[23:42] <Epicstri> yes
[23:42] <matisse> Huntz: gnome-core should be enough, so try it.
[23:43] <Epicstri> im currently trying to write the latest one to a cd
[23:43] <Epicstri> though
[23:43] <Huntz> Daskreech: thanks for the help last night
[23:43] <DaSkreech> Ack two seconds into the login process I get accolades
[23:44] <matisse> Epicstri: so, does your laptop work with the live cd?
[23:44] <Epicstri> yes, with some lag
[23:44] <Huntz> DaSkreech: The upgrade went well, but now stuck on a perl command for feisty to gutsy
[23:45] <DaSkreech> Huntz: Sure :) hope it works well for you
[23:45] <matisse> 7 years old...
[23:45] <DaSkreech> Huntz: same page?
[23:45] <matisse> Epicstri: what cpu?
[23:45] <AndySpain> thanks, Huntz
[23:45] <Epicstri> cpu? srry im total nub...
[23:46] <AndySpain> good nite, folks
[23:46] <Huntz> uhm, next page
[23:47] <itsatrick> Still nothing for KDE.  On top of that the audio comes out crackly.  I think I may do a fresh install.
[23:47] <matisse> Epicstri: Enough space on the disk?
[23:47] <Epicstri> oh ya
[23:47] <itsatrick> It didn't come out crackly just an hour ago.
[23:47] <Epicstri> 40gb
[23:47] <Huntz> itsatrick: what happen
[23:47] <matisse> Epicstri: how long did you wait til you conclude its frozen?
[23:48] <Epicstri> over night
[23:48] <matisse> well... ok :)
[23:48] <matisse> thats long enough :D
[23:48] <Epicstri> XD
[23:48] <Reformer81> I'm currently running Amarok 2.0.1 and would like to update it to <IP_ADDRESS>.  But following the instructions on the Kubuntu website still only gives me 2.0.1.
[23:49] <itsatrick> Huntz: I still don't see the KDE desktop.
[23:49] <DaSkreech> Huntz: Which perl are you having problems with?
[23:49] <Huntz> DaSkreech: sudo perl -p -i.feisty -e 's/old-releases.ubuntu.com/archive.ubuntu.com/g' /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:49] <itsatrick> On top of the audio problem and the desktop environment problem, I also have a problem with plasmoids and openoffice.org.
[23:50] <itsatrick> Thanks, though, guys.
[23:50] <matisse> Epicstri: did you try pressing Alt + F1 to get to another display?
[23:50] <Huntz> itsatrick: you install gnome or what?
[23:50] <DaSkreech> Huntz: What's that say?
[23:50] <Epicstri> ??
[23:50] <Epicstri> no, ill try
[23:50] <Huntz> no output
[23:50] <Epicstri> loading the live cd
[23:50] <matisse> Epicstri: no, when its frozen
[23:51] <DaSkreech> Huntz: then it worked
[23:51] <Epicstri> the install freezes, not everything.
[23:51] <Epicstri> It stops, but I can still, like, grab the window and move it around
[23:51] <Epicstri> or w/e
[23:51] <itsatrick> I think I may do a fresh install of Kubuntu
[23:52] <Huntz> daskreech: how come when I open the sources.list I dont see anything
[23:52] <itsatrick> Or, I'll just enjoy gnome.
[23:52] <itsatrick> Get rid of KDE. :)
[23:52] <Huntz> crap, I wonder if I typoed?
[23:52] <DaSkreech> Huntz: !!
[23:52] <DaSkreech> That's not good
[23:52] <DaSkreech> !sourceomatic
[23:52] <Huntz> hold that though before we panic
[23:52] <matisse> Epicstri: so you might get some error message if you switch to the shells with (Strg+) Alt + F1-9
[23:52] <dash84> <hearts
[23:52] <dash84> 8)
[23:53] <Huntz> itsatrick: try removing kde and reinstalling it
[23:53] <DaSkreech> Huntz: No panic :) just it's not good :)
[23:53] <matisse> Epicstri: without error messages it isn't easy to help
[23:53] <itsatrick> Alright.
[23:53] <itsatrick> If not, then I'll just be happy with gnome.
[23:53] <itsatrick> Thanks.
[23:53] <Epicstri> ok, Im going to try another install, I shall comback with results, Ty Matisse
[23:53] <Huntz> itsatrick: I had to do that to fix my fontconfig file that was hangin up
[23:54] <Huntz> itsatrick: where you using kde3
[23:55] <Epicstri> how do I change my Nick?
[23:55] <matisse> Epicstri: /nick newone
[23:55] <Reformer81> I'm currently running Amarok 2.0.1 and would like to update it to <IP_ADDRESS>.  But following the instructions on the Kubuntu website still only gives me 2.0.1.
[23:55] <Epicstri> ty
[23:56] <Silentstri> ty
[23:56] <Huntz> daskreech: argh its there but its empty
[23:57] <DaSkreech> Huntz: Ok use the edit sources in synpatic or adept to remake it
[23:57] <matisse> I need a screen shot of "k system setting -> appearance (or something like that) -> fonts" from a user who didn't change the standards there (and if possible using kde3)
[23:58] <matisse> Can somebody upload a screen shot to  http://imageshack.us/  or somewhere else ?