[01:21] <Mez> how broken is dapper atm ?
[01:25] <slomo> Mez: you will die a long, painfull death when updating ;P
[01:25] <Mez> slomo - why ?
[01:25] <slomo> Mez: well, works fine for me and many others :)
[01:26] <Mez> good :D
[01:26] <Mez> seeing as there arent man big changes anywho
[01:26] <slomo> mono on ppc is currently the only big breakage i know about
[01:26] <Mez> or have a PPC
[01:27] <Mez> blobwars was updated
[01:27] <hub> locales
[01:27] <hub> is broken
[01:27] <hub> totally
[01:27] <slomo> hm, works for me
[01:27] <hub> still does not install here
[01:27] <Mez> hey hub
[01:28] <Mez> hows things going
[01:28] <hub> Mez: fine
[01:29] <Mez> coo coo :D
[01:29] <Mez> hows the 770 ?
[01:29] <hub> fine
[01:31] <Mez> cool
[01:31] <Mez> :D
[01:32] <Mez> hub - have any news on the updates to n-m for dapper (aka anything been done yet)
[01:32] <tseng> Mez: 0.5.1 is in dapper..
[01:33] <hub> it does not install
[01:33] <hub> filed a bug
[01:33] <Mez> ah lol
[01:33] <Mez> so that's gonna break :D
[01:33] <mjg59> hub: There's a dbus transition going on
[01:33] <Mez> lol
[01:33] <Mez> mjg59, and now you tell me :D how much is broke for it ?
[01:33] <hub> mjg59: nope,
[01:33] <mjg59> Mez: I don't know. Try installing the current dbus and find out
[01:34] <mjg59> hub: I'm running the 0.5.1 packages from dapper
[01:34] <hub> mjg59: it is a different proble,
[01:34] <Mez> I'm upgrading to dapper :D
[01:34] <hub> malone 6114
[01:35] <Mez> hub
[01:35] <Mez> turn it off
[01:35] <Mez> i would for mine but i dont know how to for AUPS
[01:35] <mjg59> hub: Ah, right
[01:35] <hub> apparently it does not completely
[01:35] <mjg59> hub: Hang on...
[01:36] <hub> tpconfig -t 0
[01:36] <hub> just disable gesture
[01:36] <Mez> tpconfig: command not found :D
[01:36] <hub> Mez: universe package
[01:37] <hub> only for thinkpad
[01:37] <Mez> hub - ah
[01:37] <Mez> I'm not using a thinkpad :D
[01:37] <Mez> lol
[01:37] <Mez> and /me pokes tseng - the DB is locked atm
[01:37] <Mez> upgrading nto dapper
[01:37] <mjg59> Mez: Did you actually laugh out loud then?
[01:37] <tseng> apt-cache doesnt need a lock.
[01:38] <Mez> It was more a chuckle
[01:38] <mjg59> hub: Interesting. n-m still generates NetworkManager-named.conf, but as far as I can tell, nothing uses it
[01:38] <mjg59> (hngh)
[01:38] <hub> mjg59: the bind user is missing
[01:39] <mjg59> hub: No, that's not the bug
[01:39] <hub> oh
[01:39] <mjg59>     - Do not depend on bind9 being installed.
[01:39] <mjg59> (Except it does)
[01:39] <mjg59> Right. named support has (supposedly) been removed
[01:39] <mjg59> So what's generating this file...
[01:40] <mjg59> Oh, nothing
[01:40] <mjg59> It's ancient
[01:40] <mjg59> Tum-te-tum...
[01:42] <Mez> hub
[01:42] <Mez> any idea how to get past the "locales" problem?
[01:43] <hub> if I had...
[01:43] <hub> I don't
[01:45] <Mez> mjg59, apologies - I'm just trying to get a stable system so I can get to work and stop bugzilla moaning at me about MOM merges
[01:50] <mjg59> hub: Fixed n-m will be there once the buildds have dealt with it
[01:50] <Mez> whens the planned move to LP btw?
[01:52] <hub> mjg59: cool
[01:52] <hub> I could have fixed, but was doing other things
[02:01] <Mez> hmm - the locales probem is an easy fix ...
[02:01] <Mez> someones even posted a patch
[02:01] <Mez> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/attachment.cgi?id=5465
[02:20] <hub> Mez: that is not the problem I have
[02:21] <Mez> what problem do you have hub ?
[02:22] <hub> bugz 21489
[02:25] <Burglaptop> hub: remove locales packages, reinstall 2.3.6 version, upgrade to 2.3.7 and then reinstlal locales
[02:25] <hub> Burglaptop: were do I find 2.3.6? :-)
[02:26] <hub> package is removed already
[02:27] <raphink> elmo: could you add me to katie's whitelist pls ?
[02:29] <hub> Burglaptop: I'm installing the one from Breezy
[02:41] <hub> and now locale-gen fails
[02:43] <hub> commented the bug
[02:56] <floam> is ATAPI supposed to be working on serial ata via chipsets?
[02:56] <floam> (in dapper)
[03:55] <psusi> can anyone point me to where I can read up on how automounting of external media works?  I'm trying to fix it to correctly mount a packet writing mode udf cdrw as read/write
[04:01] <Mez> psusi, #ubuntu
[04:06] <psusi> seems to be a bit too technical/theoretical for over there... been trying...
[04:06] <googleguy> psusi, Ask on #debian.
[04:07] <googleguy> psusi, Much more technical users in #debian on average
[04:07] <hub> psusi: here is for ubuntu development
[04:08] <googleguy> I'm going to guess it's known that the locales package pre-install script dies and kills dist-upgrade, right?
[04:08] <googleguy> Or should I file a bug
[04:14] <psusi> well, I'm kind of trying to participate in ubuntu development... packet writing would be nice to support in dapper ;)
[04:14] <psusi> and the guys in #debian seem to have a chip on their shoulder about ubuntu
[04:15] <Mez> googleguy - its know and theres a simple fix - when it dies its asking for a folder right?
[04:15] <Mez> just make the folder
[04:15] <Mez> psusi
[04:15] <Mez> some of them do some of them dont
[04:15] <Mez> but you're asking for support :D#
[04:15] <Mez> which isnt what this channel is for
[04:15] <psusi> well, I'm really asking for some pointers to more information to aid development ;)
[04:16] <googleguy> Mez, I installed flight 2 and did apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. It fails on that package and kills the update. I am trying to see if I need to file a bug against the locales package
[04:16] <Mez> googleguy, what error does it fail with ?
[04:16] <psusi> I'm sure there's some kind of daemon that notices the disk and runs pmount... and can be configured somehow.. but I can't figure out where to read up on that...
[04:17] <psusi> hal seems to just detect it... so there has to be something that listens to hal's notices on dbus and runs pmount
[04:19] <googleguy> Mez, It just says that the pre-install failed with exit status 1
[04:19] <googleguy> Meaning something is broken
[04:19] <googleguy> Fresh install of flight 2
[04:19] <Mez> googleguy - no other error ?
[04:19] <googleguy> nope
[04:19] <Mez> like- before that
[04:19] <Mez> saying something about a file not found ?
[04:22] <googleguy> Mez, Sorry, no errors
[04:24] <Mez> weird
[04:31] <googleguy> very
[04:56] <hub> googleguy: see bugzilla bug 21489
[04:56] <hub> googleguy: with the work around
[04:56] <hub> Mez: that is the exact same bug
[04:56] <hub> Mez: form a flight 2 CD it fails because /etc/local.gen has 0 size
[04:57] <hub> googleguy: put the following line into /etc/locale.gen
[04:57] <hub> en_CA.UTF-8 UTF-8
[04:57] <hub> googleguy: and try again to install the package
[05:00] <googleguy> hub, You are my new hero
[05:01] <hub> googleguy: I got annoyed by it as well
[05:01] <hub> it is from Flight CD installation
[05:02] <googleguy> yes
[05:02] <womble> Even shorter: "echo en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8" >> /etc/locale.gen; /usr/sbin/locale-gen
[05:03] <googleguy> womble, I used echo to put it in there just like you did. I just didn't run locale-gen
[05:04] <womble> locale-gen is the command of interest.  Quicker than reinstalling the package just to get it to run that one command anyway. <grin>
[05:04] <hub> womble: the problem is that in my case locales was NOT installing at all
[05:05] <womble> hub: locales fails to install if you have an empty /etc/locale.gen?  How... quaint.
[05:05] <hub> womble: yep
[05:05] <hub> womble: and that is the case from a Flight CD install from scratch
[05:06] <hub> womble: I installed my new laptop Friday
[05:06] <hub> and got into trouble with that
[05:14] <Sepheebear> invoke-rc.d looks to be b0rked when it comes to cups
[05:15] <googleguy> it's pretty disconcerning for a new dev trying out flight cd2 to update and find that the update fails
[05:15] <googleguy> time to reboot... the update is finished and I got a shiny new kernel
[05:16] <Sepheebear> maybe its just cupsys
[06:51] <Mez> anyone around who wants to upload a package to main for me ?
[07:05] <Mez> cupsys is a lil borked :D but it;s easy to fix
[07:14] <rikai> hey, cool running locale-gen solved my problem too >.>;
[07:36] <donna> hi, i have a problem with my PCMCIA modem. i insert the card and syslog reports all is well. a check of /var/run/stab confirms this with "0 serial serial_cs 0 ttyS0 4 64". however when i go to dial i get a               "Can't get terminal parameters: Input/output error" next line "Connect script failed. any ideas?
[07:43] <Sepheebear> Mez: what's up with cupsys?
[07:43] <Mez> Sepheebear, wont uninstall when trying to dist-upgrade :D
[07:44] <Mez> errors out on trying to stop it
[07:44] <Mez> cause the init.d script fails
[07:44] <Mez> I just erm ...
[07:44] <Mez> forced the init.dscript not to error out
[07:44] <Sepheebear> ooh
[07:45] <Sepheebear> so gotta rip it out and put it back in eh? sounds good
[08:08] <netdur> I don't know where to ask! so... do anyone knows where to read more about "Custom Versions" offer from Canonical?
[08:10] <Burglaptop> netdur: custom versions?
[08:11] <netdur> ah! like what hp did
[08:12] <Burglaptop> netdur: afaik, the custom version of Ubuntu that HP did was merged into Breezy
[08:13] <Burglaptop> netdur: hence there are no current "custom versions" of Ubuntu at the moment, that I know of
[08:13] <Burglaptop> desrt: you having fun with abiword?
[08:13] <desrt> no.
[08:13] <desrt> just saw your bug report :)
[08:13] <Burglaptop> I promised hub I would file that report at UBZ
[08:14] <desrt> i was talking to him about it earlier and confirmed it
[08:14] <netdur> I mean, people who wants *own* "custom versions"... where to go?
[08:14] <desrt> but you must realise that abw -> odt -> abw again is a lossy process
[08:14] <Burglaptop> desrt: yes, I realize that
[08:14] <Burglaptop> you seen my long running blog conversation with the abiword developers
[08:14] <Burglaptop> ?
[08:14] <desrt> ya.  that's what drew my attention to your bug
[08:15] <Burglaptop> for people so smart, they seem not to get it
[08:15] <Burglaptop> maybe I am not explaining myself well enough
[08:16] <desrt> everyone understands your argument
[08:16] <desrt> but there are serious technical problems with it
[08:16] <Burglaptop> yes, I realize that. I am arguing on a social level, not a technical one
[08:16] <desrt> abiword switching to odt by default is throwing their users to the wolves
[08:17] <Burglaptop> remember, I do marketing/sales and documentation, so technical is not my area of expertise
[08:17] <desrt> socially i agree with you
[08:17] <desrt> but the technology just _isn't there_ right now
[08:17] <desrt> odt-by-default is great... if and only if the odt import/export works at least as well as the native file format (which it currently does not)
[08:18] <Burglaptop> that is why the bug report is conditional on when the technical side is there
[08:18] <desrt> right
[08:18] <desrt> you're sort of giving the appearance of suggesting that this be done now/soon
[08:18] <Burglaptop> ah, ok
[08:19] <Burglaptop> I should be given the impression that it the problem should be dealt with now
[08:19] <Burglaptop> s/given/giving
[08:19] <desrt> to quote your bug report:
[08:19] <desrt> Abiword 2.4.2 is going to included OpenDocument support finally. Therefor
[08:19] <desrt> abiword should now save to OpenDocument format by default, rather than .abiword.
[08:19] <Burglaptop> yes
[08:19] <Burglaptop> if 2.4.2 cannot do that, then that should be noted in teh bug report
[08:20] <desrt> i noted that.
[08:20] <Burglaptop> excellent, thankjs'
[08:20] <desrt> it's definitely an interesting question
[08:21] <desrt> i mean....
[08:21] <desrt> when people talk about websites/pages they don't say "html document"
[08:21] <desrt> it's just a webpage
[08:21] <Amaranth> saving in odt isn't lossless
[08:21] <desrt> having the same for word processor documents would be very nice
[08:21] <Burglaptop> Amaranth: sadly, we are discovering this
[08:21] <desrt> i agree with you completely there
[08:22] <Amaranth> and iirc the standard for excelalike doesn't even mention how to do math
[08:22] <Amaranth> so you either read OOo source to find how they do it or you make up your own way
[08:22] <Burglaptop> Amaranth: yes, another bug in ODT. But not a reason to prevent it from becoming a standard
[08:23] <Amaranth> Burglaptop: If Microsoft is serious about their standard I'd rather use it.
[08:23] <Burglaptop> Amaranth: why?
[08:23] <Amaranth> Burglaptop: They 1) know what they're doing and 2) will actually support it in Office
[08:23] <Burglaptop> have you seen the actual xml from docx?
[08:24] <Burglaptop> it is nasty and doesn
[08:24] <Burglaptop> t build on standard existing xml
[08:24] <Burglaptop> like dublin core metadata
[08:26] <netdur> I wouldn't trust ms for that, they are known to keep changing mind... how I can be sure that my finnance documents that I saved now will be fully readable after five years (word 97 to word xp)?
[08:26] <Amaranth> netdur: If it's an open standard _something_ will read it.
[08:27] <Burglaptop> Amaranth: as long as we don't have submarine patents
[08:27] <Amaranth> Burglaptop: If you're worrying about patents turn off your computer.
[08:27] <Amaranth> Burglaptop: So many things you're using right now are violating someone's patent.
[08:27] <Burglaptop> I recognize that
[08:28] <sivang> morning all
[08:28] <netdur> I think evince should view opendocument the same way firefox view html
[08:29] <Burglaptop> netdur: it already can view ppt
[08:29] <sivang> happy holidays alls
[08:29] <sivang> Burglaptop: Corey, 'sup? thanks for your wiki emails :)
[08:29] <Burglaptop> Amaranth: ms is more likely to use their patents than Sun or IBM
[08:29] <Burglaptop> against "us"
[08:29] <Burglaptop> sivang: I moved that spec
[08:30] <sivang> Burglaptop: cool, thanks
[08:30] <sivang> Burglaptop: how's your spot of Canada today?
[08:30] <Burglaptop> not bad, little rainy but no snow
[08:30] <netdur> have ever ms used patent thing against anyone?
[08:31] <Burglaptop> netdur: not yet
[08:31] <Burglaptop> mostly ms has been on the receiving end of patent lawsuits
[08:31] <sivang> heh
[08:31] <netdur> did ms "steal" stuff from open source?
[08:32] <Burglaptop> they have "borrowed" a few BSD-licensed things
[08:32] <Burglaptop> Amaranth: I like OpenDoc because it has big friends behind it, friends who like us
[08:32] <netdur> can mozilla.org sue ms over xaml?
[08:32] <Burglaptop> netdur: moz would need patents, which they don
[08:32] <Burglaptop> t have
[08:39] <netdur> so what hold them back?
[08:39] <Burglaptop> netdur: who MS?
[08:39] <netdur> ah
[08:39] <Burglaptop> the patent war is a cold war. Everybody has patents and nobody wants to fire the first shot
[08:39] <Burglaptop> most of the big companies have cross licensed with each other
[08:41] <Burglaptop> ironically, MS could be a good friend in the coming years on patent reform in the US because it has been hit with so many lawsuits
[08:41] <womble> And there's enough skeletons in MS' closet that shooting at free software is likely to bring some FOSS-friendly big guns down on them
[08:41] <womble> Burglaptop: MS losing lawsuits doesn't worry them -- they're used to it.
[08:41] <Burglaptop> womble: no company likes to lose lawsuits
[08:42] <Burglaptop> and they have stated publically that they are getting annoyed about it
[08:43] <womble> But their answer will be to buy litigants out, not give away one of their biggest potential cash cows
[08:44] <Burglaptop> think of a bear of being stung by bees, it is going to get annoyed eventually
[08:44] <Mez> still up Corey ?
[08:44] <Burglaptop> Mez: it is only midnight here
[08:44] <Mez> Mon Dec 26 07:44:33 UTC 2005
[08:44] <Mez> lol :D
[08:44] <womble> I can't see them throwing away their only stranglehold over "Open"XML (once it gets ECMA "standardised") by castrating patent reform.  Their office business couldn't stand a war against a completely compatible Free office suite for very long
[08:46] <netdur> think... they could gave up on "open xml" and make ms office use another doc formate!
[08:47] <Burglaptop> womble: once the door opens for patent reform, I think we can have a say. Observe Europe (a battle which is not won yet, merely postponed)
[08:47] <womble> netdur: Not unless they want to lose business from places like .ma.us
[08:49] <Burglaptop> I don't much are why they want to support patent refrom and more open standards. I just care that they arrive at that place
[08:49] <netdur> I think about ms as marketing company that happen to work on software domain... nowadayw whatever prefix "open" is selling point... we don't what future have... but the history says "don't trust them"
[08:51] <Burglaptop> netdur: precisely why I think OpenDoc is the way forward
[08:52] <Burglaptop> any Japanese speakers here?
[08:53] <Mez> Burglaptop, a little- why
[08:54] <Burglaptop> Mez: can I forward you an email that I have no idea what it says.
[09:00] <Mez> lol
[09:00] <desrt> no.  i cannot.
[09:00] <Mez> the lady - meh - things went weird lol
[09:01] <desrt> ya.  they were pretty weird already
[09:01] <desrt> she cried wolf?
[09:01] <Mez> no ... just things... messed up... lol
[09:01] <Mez> long story
[09:02] <desrt> well... i'd say "either she was telling the truth or she was not"
[09:02] <desrt> but i have a feeling that the grey area between those two points is what makes up the long story
[09:02] <desrt> my christmas was fine :)
[09:03] <Mez> no actually
[09:03] <Mez> it was just awkwardness
[09:03] <desrt> i'm definitely getting more confused
[09:03] <desrt> crikey.  wait
[09:03] <desrt> are you up late or early?
[09:03] <Mez> late :D
[09:03] <desrt> hahahah
[09:03] <desrt> ok
[09:03] <desrt> *i* am about to go to sleep
[09:04] <desrt> s/about to go/going/
[09:04] <desrt> cheers :D
[09:06] <sivang> Hey Mez ! You were gone for sometime after UBZ , where were you? :)
[09:06] <Mez> sivang - long story - had no net access - was homeless for a while
[09:06] <Mez> have a place sorted now :D so I can finally get back to doing things
[09:08] <Mez> It's nice to be back
[09:08] <Mez> lets hope people welcome me back
[09:08] <Mez> hows things been sivang ?
[09:09] <Burglaptop> hmm http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/KDE
[09:10] <Mez> why hmm ?
[09:10] <Burglaptop> interested proposal to deal with KDE in Fedora core
[09:14] <Mez> sounds like interfering
[09:35] <sivang> Mez: fine for me, busy over head at work, stressing myself to be able to do some Ubuntu work ...
[09:35] <sivang> Mez: homeless? wow , why were you homeless?
[09:38] <sivang> Mez: so now you're back to backporting? :)
[11:04] <Mez> sivang - homeless was a long story :D
[11:10] <sivang> Mez: I see :) nevermind then
[11:11] <Mez> sivan - wasnt it you I caught the plain back with ?
[11:26] <sivang> Mez: exactly! I was then worried when you didn't come back online about your whereabouts :) thought maybe you lost the train ticket, or they didn't let you in
[11:26] <Mez> lol
[11:26] <Mez> nah - was fine :D
[01:07] <Robot101> wtf, I had dvb working yesterday and now udev decides not to give me a sodding /dev/dvb directory
[01:07] <Robot101> gr8
[01:29] <jsgotangco> cheers
[01:52] <sivang> hey pitti , aren't you in vacatio today? :)
[01:53] <siretart> merry christmas!
[01:53] <siretart> does anyone know if it is possible to boot via grub with / and /boot in a lvm?
[01:53] <Mithrandir> sire	it's not
[01:54] <siretart> ok. so I definitly need /boot on a normal partition. thanks
[01:54] <jsgotangco> being online is hardly a vacation :)
[01:54] <sivang> siretart: not with /boot
[01:54] <sivang> siretart: make sure /boot is outside of the LVM
[01:55] <sivang> merry christmas siretart !
[01:55] <sivang> and jsgotangco
[01:55] <sivang> :)
[01:55] <siretart> :)
[01:55] <jsgotangco> bah humbug :) hehehe joke
[02:00] <pitti> hi sivang
[02:00] <pitti> sivang: I am, right :)
[02:09] <slomo_> hi pitti :)
[02:09] <Yagisan> Happy Holidays pitti
[02:17] <sivang> pitti: merry chirstmas then! have fun
[02:22] <pitti> slomo_: hi
[02:22] <pitti> Yagisan: thank you, for you too!
[04:18] <mdke_> LOL
[04:18] <mdke_> Setting up xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (0.14.3+seriouslythistime-0ubuntu1
[04:22] <Lathiat> heh
[04:23] <zakame> woo
[05:59] <mjg59> Hm. Why has "Search and Indexing" ended up under Applications/Accessories?
[06:00] <SEJeff> mjg59, That should be a preference shouldn't it
[06:02] <ogra_ibook> for me its in places in a recent dapper
[06:03] <ogra_ibook> but i think it will go away completely, now that its integrated in nautilus
[06:07] <mjg59> ogra_ibook: I think the preferences are still required
[06:08] <ogra_ibook> hmm, but they should be in the filemanager preferencec instead ...
[06:10] <SEJeff> search and indexing prefs are for beagle
[06:10] <SEJeff> Proof is in /usr/share/applications/beagle-settings.desktop
[06:10] <ogra_ibook> oh, yes, indeed ... no mono on ppc in dapper currently ...
[06:11] <ogra_ibook> yes, these should be in the preferences menu#
[06:11] <SEJeff> Thats sad, beagle is the "killer app" if used with sweetness like deskbar applet
[06:11] <SEJeff> ogra_ibook, Do you use the native broadcom drivers?
[06:12] <SEJeff> I noticed they are included in the recent dapper kernels
[06:12] <ogra_ibook> oh, i'm sure it will get solved ... the mono build is just ftbfs on ppc64 currently
[06:12] <ogra_ibook> SEJeff, i use the latest trunk version of bcm43xx
[06:13] <ogra_ibook> running it with less than 54Mbit runs pretty stable ...
[06:13] <SEJeff> And I take that to mean it is working perfectly.
[06:13] <ogra_ibook> not perfectly ...
[06:13] <mjg59> SEJeff: A-ha ha ha.
[06:13] <mjg59> No, they're some way from perfect yet
[06:13] <ogra_ibook> i have "hicups" with 54Mbit and a bad lag with other high rates ...
[06:13] <SEJeff> well I meant usably. I saw the lkml post from the bcm developer saying he was posting using them
[06:14] <SEJeff> no oops or anything scary though?
[06:14] <mjg59> They're usable, but still flaky
[06:14] <ogra_ibook> but using them at low rates is possible and runs quite stable since some days here
[06:15] <SEJeff> Good to know
[06:15] <mjg59> Biggest problem is that we have no permission to redistribute the firmware
[06:15] <ogra_ibook> the odd thing is that they dont really offer a wireless interface, so checking things with wavemon or other tools is impossible
[06:16] <mjg59> That's the devicescape stack
[06:16] <ogra_ibook> yup
[06:16] <mjg59> It's not fully hooked up with wireless extensions yet
[06:16] <ogra_ibook> i hope it gets stable enough until our final kernel build ...
[06:17] <SEJeff> But you could do like the msttcorefonts and download them, right?
[06:17] <ogra_ibook> i'm fine with using the apple firmware for now ... at least its better than carrying a usbstick around ...
[06:19] <mjg59> SEJeff: Not if your only internet connection is wireless :)
[06:19] <SEJeff> true, but that would be the best bet
[06:19] <mjg59> We can't distribute it a tall
[06:19] <mjg59> But there are probably ways of hacking around that, yes
[06:21] <SEJeff> And I'm going to guess that monitor mode won't work anytime soon
[06:21] <mjg59> Monitor mode works, I think
[06:21] <mjg59> Since it's significantly easier to get going than anything that lets you actually move packets
[06:22] <SEJeff> So kismet and aircrack allow you to crack wireless networks, but the driver won't let you access them for very long
[06:22] <mjg59> Pretty much
[06:22] <SEJeff> nice
[06:29] <ogra_ibook> network-manager didnt work here for me ...
[06:43] <siretart> does the new dbus really require new udev?
[06:44] <siretart> I'm still having trouble with 2.6.15, and I'm still debugging that
[06:44] <mjg59> Network-manager works really nicely here now
[06:45] <mjg59> We should sort out what it does in the absence of policy and then stick it in main
[06:49] <siretart> no, it doesn't. but it requires newer lsb* packages
[06:58] <pvanhoof> Removing cupsys-driver-gimpprint ...
[06:58] <pvanhoof>  * Restarting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd invoke-rc.d: initscript cupsys, action "force-reload" failed.
[06:58] <pvanhoof> same when installing it
[07:24] <robertj> anyone know what causes an empty Applications menu in dapper?
[07:26] <robertj> it pops up the menu and then all the entries go poof
[07:26] <jordi> robertj: pkill gam_server
[07:26] <ogra_ibook> but be careful on amd64 with this ;)
[07:27] <ogra_ibook> it makes my system jump to 100% cpu usage which i can only fix by killing the panel ... which in turn starts gam_server on restart :)
[07:28] <ogra_ibook> works fine on x86 and ppc though
[07:31] <robertj> jordi:  thanks
[07:31] <jordi> ogra_ibook: fun :)
[07:31] <robertj> bug already filed?
[07:31] <ogra_ibook> yup
[07:32] <robertj> cool
[07:32] <ogra_ibook> its a old one
[07:35] <robertj> brb hopefully
[08:43] <nasdaq7> i was wondering: if it says open source, does it mean free and open source or can it be shareware and open source / commercial and open source?
[08:45] <mhz> the latter
[08:46] <tseng> "free" is alot more specific than "open"
[08:46] <tseng> in context
[08:47] <desrt> and ironically, "open" is a lot more specific than "free" in other contexts
[08:47] <tseng> yes :)
[08:47] <nasdaq7> so if you'd like to charge something for your program, you can release it as open source
[08:48] <nasdaq7> but charge still
[08:48] <tseng> you can charge for free software as well
[08:48] <desrt> you can charge for Free software, even
[08:48] <nasdaq7> now i am a .net developer
[08:48] <nasdaq7> is developing in ubuntu easier than .net?
[08:49] <desrt> ubuntu, like windows, has a lot of different programming environments
[08:49] <tseng> including .Net
[08:49] <desrt> (.net is one of them)
[08:49] <tseng> i said it first!
[08:49] <tseng> according to my client
[08:49] <desrt> according to mine too
[08:49] <nasdaq7> there are so many things that microsoft hides in it's documentation - i was wondering if ubuntu / linux hides as much code?
[08:50] <desrt> *its, and no.
[08:50] <tseng> some things may be poorly documented
[08:50] <desrt> gtk, for example has good documentation
[08:50] <tseng> but nothing is "hidden"
[08:50] <tseng> intentionally
[08:50] <desrt> but even when the documentation is lacking you always have the possibility of looking at the source to find out exactly how something works
[08:51] <nasdaq7> what seems interesting is the step on intellectual property debate
[08:51] <desrt> it's not possible to keep secrets
[08:51] <nasdaq7> i read somewhere
[08:51] <desrt> please don't use the phrase "intellectual property"
[08:51] <desrt> it's misleading and inaccurate
[08:51] <tseng> "software patents" might be what you are after
[08:51] <nasdaq7> you can't write 30 lines without infringing on someone's patent
[08:52] <tseng> is there a question here?
[08:52] <desrt> fortunately only a small minority of countries have software patents
[08:52] <nasdaq7> with ubuntu that is not that a big a problem?
[08:52] <desrt> nasdaq7; i don't think anybody honestly beleves in using software patents
[08:53] <desrt> nasdaq7; except those who have nothing to lose
[08:53] <desrt> nasdaq7; it's like nuclear weapons
[08:53] <nasdaq7> :)
[08:53] <nasdaq7> isn't there a source archive for ubuntu code?
[08:53] <tseng> of course
[08:53] <desrt> nasdaq7; if microsoft tried to press their patents against us, 10 other companies would press their patents against microsoft
[08:53] <desrt> nasdaq7; with software patents nobody wins
[08:53] <desrt> nasdaq7; so just like nuclear weapons, the only winning choice is to not use them
[08:54] <nasdaq7> yes
[08:54] <nasdaq7> isn't there a source archive for ubuntu code?
[08:54] <desrt> ya
[08:54] <desrt> it's wide open for everyone to see and modify their own copies of
[08:54] <desrt> and distribute their changes on their own if they want
[08:54] <nasdaq7> is it part of the distribution?
[08:54] <desrt> (of course, random people can't make changes to the official ubuntu version)
[08:54] <nasdaq7> or a web site?
[08:55] <tseng> either
[08:55] <desrt> for any package that you can install (apt-get install packagename) you can also type 'apt-get source packagename'
[08:55] <nasdaq7> liek sourceforge.net?
[08:55] <desrt> and that will download and unpack the sourcecode
[08:55] <desrt> which you can then modify if you wish and then build your own version of the package from
[08:55] <tseng> packages.ubuntu.com has sources
[08:55] <nasdaq7> ok
[08:55] <nasdaq7> thanx
[08:56] <nasdaq7> well thanx guys
[08:56] <desrt> np.
[08:56] <nasdaq7> enjoy your coding :)
[08:56] <desrt> cheers
[08:57] <nasdaq7> ok
[08:57] <desrt> "intellectual property" really annoys me
[08:58] <desrt> particularly when it is used by the innocent
[08:58] <tseng> unclued people writing about it on websites so random people pick up on it is worse
[08:58] <tseng> yes.. "the innocent" as it were
[08:58] <desrt> well
[08:58] <desrt> it's clued evil people who continue using it and embedding it in everyone's minds....
[08:59] <desrt> it's definitely intentional :/
[08:59] <desrt> total newspeak
[08:59] <tseng> minpat
[08:59] <desrt> ?
[08:59] <tseng> ministry of patents
[08:59] <desrt> ah :)
[09:00] <desrt> minipat wouldn't it be?
[09:00] <tseng> i thought it was mintru, etc
[09:00] <desrt> hmm
[09:00] <Treenaks> facecrime.net?
[09:00] <desrt> google has 20600 hits for mintruth and 37700 fir mintruth
[09:00] <desrt> *mini/min
[09:01] <desrt> so mintruth has it by a factor of almost 2.... but for google that's pretty close
[09:01] <desrt> i wonder if there was a printing of it with it written a different way
[09:02] <tseng> newspeak dictionary, 12th edition?
[09:02] <desrt> was such a book published?
[09:02] <desrt> (in the real world)
[09:02] <tseng> no, it was being written during the course of the plot
[09:02] <desrt> well, yes
[09:02] <tseng> http://www.newspeakdictionary.com/
[09:03] <tseng> but thanks to freaks and the internet
[09:03] <desrt> but i thought you meant that someone released it in the realworld :p
[09:03] <desrt> i'm already at this site :)
[09:03] <desrt> it has neither
[09:08] <desrt> http://www.newspeakdictionary.com/ns-mis.html
[09:08] <desrt> this is nice :p
[09:10] <desrt> either this site was written by a bunch of people who manage to get along with each other or written by one person with very interesting political views :)
[09:11] <tseng> i read that 10 minutes ago
[09:12] <tseng> i thought it was tounge-in-cheek
[09:12] <desrt> it's extremely accurate though
[09:12] <desrt> even the ones that i don't totally agree with i know to be real beliefs held by non-insane people :)
[09:13] <desrt> the only odd thing is that i can't think of a single person who holds the combination of all the beliefs expressed on that page :)
[09:15] <tseng> feminist is my favorite
[09:16] <tseng> that or progressive
[09:16] <desrt> 'intellectual property' is conspicuously missing
[09:16] <desrt> the doublespeak page is interesting too
[09:17] <desrt> Bust / Massive arrest by the state - When US police go on rampage and incarcerate large numbers of people during the "War on Drugs" it is considered a great victory ... When China arrest large numbers of people for trying to bring down the government, it is considered to be a barbaric act against basic human rights.
[09:18] <desrt> Affirmative Action / Racial Discrimination.... Campaign contribution / bribe.... Educated / Brainwashed.... etc
[10:07] <psusi> pitti, are you around?  I was told you are the man to talk to about the internals of pmount and gnome-volume-manager
[10:07] <tseng> psusi: he is on vacation
[10:07] <Amaranth> wanna see something weird?
[10:07] <Amaranth> sudo whoami
[10:08] <Amaranth> then sudo echo `whoami`
[10:08] <tseng> im not sure thats weird at all
[10:08] <tseng> `` is a shell function
[10:08] <tseng> echo is a program
[10:08] <tseng> this is the same reason you cant do sudo echo "blah" > file where you normally cant write to file
[10:09] <Amaranth> tseng: you can do that with sh -c though
[10:09] <tseng> sure, but the command line you give sudo isnt interpreted as a shell command
[10:09] <psusi> tseng, if you escape the > with a \ you can ;)
[10:10] <tseng> psusi: good one
[10:10] <tseng> psusi: ... no
[10:10] <psusi> it is interpreted as a shell command, but if you don't escape the >, then the shell interptets it first before running sudo with the rest of the command
[10:11] <tseng> escaping the > doesnt do anything useful in the case i described
[10:11] <tseng> unless you really wanted to echo a >
[10:11] <psusi> how so?  it prevents the redirection from happening until sudo changes to root
[10:11] <tseng> it doesnt redirect at all
[10:12] <tseng> it literally echos >
[10:12] <psusi> hrm... I managed to do that once somehow... let me see if I can remember the right way to escape it
[10:12] <tseng> bringing you back to sh -c ""
[10:12] <psusi> or quote it... maybe it was with quotes
[10:12] <tseng> sudo sh -c "whatever the hell you want"
[10:12] <psusi> that works too...
[10:12] <tseng> Amaranth already mentioned this :)
[10:13] <psusi> by gosh... now it comes back to me... yea... sudo invokes the command with the rest of the arguments, so you have to use sh -c ;)
[10:14] <psusi> anyone else familliar with the internals of gnome-volume-manager and pmount by chance? ;)
[10:14] <tseng> desrt is a pretty elite hacker in that area
[10:14] <tseng> not specifically pmount
[10:15] <tseng> but hal goodness
[10:15] <psusi> I think it falls more in with hal... I'm trying to modify the hal and gnome-volume-manager to pmount a packet write mode udf cdrw in rw mode using the pktcdvd device instead of the real underlying device
[10:16] <psusi> is he around?
[10:17] <Amaranth> whoa, i have no idea what you just said
[10:17] <psusi> hehe.... I've been fooling wrond with the udftools package... there is a kernel module that allows you to create a new device that allows full read/write access to a cdrw using packet writing, so you can put a full read/write filesystem on the disc and use it like a big floppy
[10:18] <psusi> but gnome-volume-manager wants to mount it with the real device in read only mode when you insert the disk
[10:18] <psusi> so I'm trying to figure out how to fix that to behave properly and maybe get that fix into dapper
[10:19] <tseng> pitti wrote some code to mount devices specially via a dm-crypt device
[10:19] <tseng> it might be a start
[10:19] <psusi> I found an article on the web about that I've been reading... very interesting
[11:09] <hub> any plan to put a more recent ath_hal ?


[00:32] <franklyn> anyone in there?
[00:51] <LINKSWORD2> OK, this is really weird....
[01:15] <LINKSWORD2> !pastebin
[01:44] <LINKSWORD2> Hey, clay... D'oh!!!
[01:45] <LINKSWORD2> lol
[01:49] <claydoh> :P
[03:01] <srladd> glxinfo on my Kubuntu 11.04 reports "OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 7.10.2" I am assumign that means I only have OpenGL 2.1 support. ANyone know how to upgrade this to 3.0? Is this a limitation of the Intel drivers, or is there a newer lib to replace MESA?
[03:13] <szal> OpenGL version string: 3.3.0 NVIDIA 270.41.06
[03:13] <szal> must then be the Intel driver
[03:13] <bloodsmith> does anyone know how to install minecraft on kubuntu by any chance?
[03:14] <bloodsmith> I've tried google, cant find any conclusive instructions...
[03:21] <alivePerson1234> you don't install, u just run the jar file
[03:21] <alivePerson1234> bloodsmith: u dont install, u just run the jar file
[03:22] <bloodsmith> yes, but when I try to play the game offline, it says that I haven't got the game installed
[03:22] <alivePerson1234> ive never tried it offline..
[03:22] <alivePerson1234> one sec
[03:22] <bloodsmith> aight, ty
[03:25] <bloodsmith> gah, I'm sorry aliveperson1234, I've gotta get off the net, been bumming from my brother and he's gotta go to bed, so I'll get back on tomorrow to figure it out the rest of the way. Appreciate the help regardless!!
[04:34] <jmper> flisol GYE
[04:34] <jmper> alguien de flisol GYE
[05:15] <Spaz_Dynamic> kubuntu is so strange with removable media such as CDs and USB drives.
[05:25] <KhanFused> spaz - how so?
[05:26]  * KhanFused is in a kubuntu live cd at the moment ... been running ubuntu 9.10 - and am about to blow away and reinstall to a newer version
[05:28] <KhanFused> kde do anything new and strange with removables recently?  I haven't actively used it since 8.04/KDE3-point-someodd
[06:18] <uberfrau> if i have files on my desktop which are not connected to anything, how can i get rid of them?
[08:20] <ashwin> i updated my kubuntu. now audio driver is not working
[08:20] <ashwin> i cannot connect to internet also
[08:24] <ashwin> please help
[08:29] <gr8m8> ashwin: open a terminal and run   ifconfig -a    is there something listed other then lo ?
[08:41] <ashwin> while starting i m getting error
[08:41] <ashwin> warning :cannot open consolekit session
[08:43] <ashwin> failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system bus socket no such file or directorory
[08:43] <Aranel> How can I set-up a OpenVPN connection on KDE? I have two files: .ovpn and .ca.crt, but there's no Import function on KNetworkManager, how am I supposed to make it work?
[08:44] <ashwin> ifconfig -a gives eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 40:61:86:32:72:f2
[08:44] <ashwin>           BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[08:44] <ashwin>           RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[08:45] <ashwin> http://paste.kde.org/83683/
[08:46] <ashwin> so what am i suppose to do?
[09:00] <Who> guys i am thinking of getting a macbook pro
[09:00] <Who> but i heard it has problems its wireless drivers
[09:00] <Who> since i will be using kubuntu for the major part of my work
[09:01] <Who> i wanted to conform it with you guys
[09:05] <ashwin>  warning :cannot open consolekit session.failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system bus socket no such file or directory
[09:05] <ashwin> anyone know about this
[09:22] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[09:29] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[09:29] <FloodBotK2> !netsplit
[10:17] <bigbrovar> Hi guys am runing kmail2 and found out it does not support the kubuntu message indicator. is there anyway to fix this?
[10:50] <sommarjobbare1> kubuntu <3<3
[10:57] <grawcho_> hey all ... dose anyone know when packaging for KDE 4.7 is due in kubuntu ?
[10:57] <grawcho_> i'm waiting for a supported feature in those packages for six months now :)
[10:58] <grawcho_> could some one set a deadline for my wait
[10:58] <grawcho_> please ?
[11:01] <Tm_T> grawcho_: when ready
[11:02] <Tm_T> grawcho_: considering 4.7 isn't released yet
[11:03] <Tm_T> grawcho_: http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.7_Release_Schedule
[11:04] <grawcho_> Tm_T: thanks ... i meant the beat ... you are absolutly right ... when will the beta be released in a PPA
[11:05] <grawcho_> Tm_T: and thanks i read the release schedule ... there is no referance for kubuntu packages there ... and \ or RC packages
[11:07] <Tm_T> grawcho_: I don't know, unfortunately, people have been busy with packaging
[11:07] <grawcho_> Tm_T: well ...thanks anyway ... i'll keep an eye open
[12:06] <soee> does dolphin offer function to search  multiple file content ?
[12:43] <gavin__> hi
[12:56] <Ubuntu-rosa> hello
[12:56] <Ubuntu-rosa> please i wana Write a script that displays for a given partition:
[12:56] <Ubuntu-rosa> 1. Users who are about to use this partition
[12:56] <Ubuntu-rosa> 2. The processes that are attached to each user
[12:56] <Ubuntu-rosa> 3. Open files for each user
[12:56] <Ubuntu-rosa> 4. For each user who opened a file or having a process tied to the partition send a message to warn the removal of the partition and asked to close all programs and files after a number of minutes the user will be disconnected.
[12:56] <FloodBotK2> Ubuntu-rosa: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:08] <telecentro01> Bom Dia a Todos....
[13:10] <Ubuntu-rosa> Write a script that displays for a given partition:
[13:10] <Ubuntu-rosa> 1. Users who are about to use this partition
[13:10] <Ubuntu-rosa> 2. The processes that are attached to each user
[13:10] <Ubuntu-rosa> 3. Open files for each user
[13:10] <Ubuntu-rosa> 4. For each user who opened a file or having a process tied to the partition send a message to warn the removal of the partition and asked to close all programs and files after a number of minutes the user will be disconnected.
[13:10] <FloodBotK2> Ubuntu-rosa: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:13] <lovesthethianood> Hi flash dosent seem to be working nfor me i ran apt-get flashplugin-nonfree,it installed the package but still no flash after restarting FF.
[13:13] <lovesthethianood> âmd64 BTW
[13:13] <steven> do u mean adobe flash for firefox ?
[13:14] <lovesthethianood> yes im trying to setup flash so i can veiw the youtubes and other such distractions.
[13:14] <steven> oh
[13:14] <steven> I just done it today :D
[13:15] <steven> but, I done it on Fedora
[13:15] <cousin_mario> hello
[13:15] <cousin_mario> what's the recommended hex editor on kde?
[13:15] <Ubuntu-rosa> Write a script that displays for a given partition:
[13:15] <Ubuntu-rosa> 1. Users who are about to use this partition
[13:15] <Ubuntu-rosa> 2. The processes that are attached to each user
[13:15] <Ubuntu-rosa> 3. Open files for each user
[13:15] <Ubuntu-rosa> 4. For each user who opened a file or having a process tied to the partition send a message to warn the removal of the partition and asked to close all programs and files after a number of minutes the user will be disconnected.
[13:15] <FloodBotK2> Ubuntu-rosa: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:18] <cousin_mario> bbl
[13:18] <lovesthethianood> i just acidentaly killed my desktop/kmenu with the ctrl/alt/esp. how do i get it back?
[13:19] <lovesthethianood> still surprised nobodys comented on my flash plugin question.
[13:19] <bloodsmith> So last night I tried to install minecraft on my kubuntu system, got the .jar file working(not the hard part), and would like to play it offline, however the minecraft.exe file that I downloaded in order to play it offline will not work with the .jar file. Any suggestions?
[13:21] <TomekC> Hi i have question
[13:21] <TomekC> my antivirus found trojan kolweb.a in libplot2c2_2.6-0ubuntu3_amd64.deb
[13:22] <TomekC> what i should do with it?
[13:22] <steven> hey <lovesthethianood>
[13:22] <steven> about the flash
[13:22] <lovesthethianood> steven: yes?
[13:22] <steven> I dont sure about Ubuntu
[13:23] <steven> for me, I just download the flashplugin.tar.gz
[13:23] <steven> untar it
[13:23] <steven> then cp it into <firefox>/plugins
[13:23] <steven> directory
[13:23] <steven> and then restart firefox
[13:23] <steven> then go to addon, plugin check it
[13:23] <steven> whether it be there or not
[13:24] <steven> hope can help u
[14:06] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[14:06] <Unit193> BluesKaj: Howja
[14:13] <BluesKaj> hey Unit193 , was just checking the network files , making sure there are no remnanats of network manager hanging around to gum up the works
[14:16] <ashwin> i am getting this at startup warning :cannot open consolekit session.failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system bus and my audio,network connections are not working
[14:17] <ashwin> it all come after an update
[14:19] <BluesKaj> ashwin, as far your audio is concerned open a terminal and do: alsamixer -V all , then make sure no ctrls are muted \
[14:20] <ashwin> i cannot see button to mute
[14:21] <BluesKaj> the box at the bottom should have 00 in it , if it's muted an M will be there
[14:22] <ashwin> no ,it was there before
[14:22] <BluesKaj> just use the M key to mute or unmute
[14:22] <ashwin> volume control is not working
[14:24] <ashwin> there is no button with speaker symbol now
[14:25] <ashwin> i will do  alsamixer -V and tell you after sometime
[14:33] <ashwin> BluesKaj:i tried alsamixer -V all,and got cannot open mixer
[14:36] <ashwin> is there a way i can delete update installed today
[14:39] <BluesKaj> ok ashwin just try alsamixer
[14:44] <Goliath> HEy
[14:44] <Goliath> there is a problem with knetworkmanager for wifi. wireless connections dont appear
[14:44] <Goliath> is this an upgrade bug or something?
[14:45] <ashwin> alsamixer gives the same
[14:45] <ashwin> cannot open mixer :no such file or directory
[15:00] <nicolas__> Hi everyone
[15:00] <montfras> hi
[15:01] <nicolas__> Is there a special package to install or any manipulation to do to have strigi running? When I go to system settings it says strigi is not runing
[15:02] <montfras> can you check it is not suspended?
[15:02] <montfras> there is an "nepomuk file indexing" item in the systemtray
[15:07] <nicolas__> montfras: Ok, I found it. When I click it, there is a popup menu with only one option available which is "Configure". When I click it, I have the system configuration window appearing which says "strigi is not  runing"
[15:37] <montfras> :nicolas__ sorry for the late reply
[15:37] <montfras> I think this is normal, when all files are indexed it is indeed not running
[15:37] <nicolas__> montfras: No problem ;-)
[15:38] <montfras> just deselect the checkbox and click apply
[15:38] <montfras> if you check it and click apply again it start indexing
[15:40] <nicolas__> Well, youre manipulation didn't change anything :(
[15:41] <montfras> alright, next idea :)
[15:42] <ashwin> how can i backup everything in my home folder+themes+config files
[15:42] <nicolas__> ashwin: Have you had a look at "backintime"?
[15:43] <ashwin> what is that?
[15:43] <nicolas__> A very nice backup program
[15:44] <nicolas__> You can make several backups and then come back to the one you want
[15:44] <nicolas__> Otherwise you can make a copy of you /home/ partition
[15:45] <montfras> nicolas__: could you look on the second tab at "change index folders" translation may be different
[15:45] <ashwin> themes are in home folder?
[15:45] <montfras> check that you have at least a location selected for indexing
[15:46] <nicolas__> montfras: Yes I do have one :(
[15:48] <montfras> no problem
[15:49] <montfras> do you have java installed? 'java -version' in terminal
[15:50] <montfras> it should be either open jdk runtime or sun java runtime
[15:51] <nicolas__> montfras: I was quite sure I had Java installed, but java-version in Konsole says "command not found"
[15:53] <montfras> you should use a space between java and -version
[15:53] <montfras> but this probably doesn't matter, this was the fix in the kubuntu 9.10 days :/
[15:54] <nicolas__> montfras: oh, thanks. So, yes I do have java installed version <IP_ADDRESS> OpenJDK
[15:55] <montfras> do you have a 32 or 64 bit system?
[15:55] <nicolas__> 64
[15:56] <montfras> sorry wrong solution
[15:56] <montfras> turns out I don't even have java myself
[15:56] <montfras> let me think a little more :)
[15:57] <nicolas__> montfras: haha. Thank you for your time
[15:59] <Linkmaster> Whats the problem? My limited knowledge base might know of a solution
[16:01] <montfras> nicolas__: have you installed the strigi-client package?
[16:01] <nicolas__> Linkmaster: In system configuration I have "Strigi is not running". I just don't know how to start it
[16:01] <nicolas__> montfras: yes
[16:01] <montfras> strigi-daemon?
[16:01] <Linkmaster> I don't actively use strigi, so I wouldn't know without tinkering around some
[16:03] <montfras> Linkmaster: yeah, I do use it but my system is a bit messed up with packages installed from source, some neon packages and other junk
[16:04] <nicolas__> montfras: Actually I believe strigiclient was installed by default. But I can run it. I believe strigi-deamon is also installed
[16:04] <Linkmaster> montfras: I wouldn't trust my system either; I've had to quarantine source installs-gone-wrong, neon garbles a bunch of stuff as well, and who knows what else
[16:04] <nicolas__> Linkmaster: Thank you anyway
[16:04] <Linkmaster> Sorry I can't help
[16:05] <nicolas__> Well, I'm doing research, so I have thousands of papers on my computer. I would be great if I could seek in the pdfs
[16:06] <nicolas__> I used to use kerry beagle. Maybee I should get back to it
[16:06] <montfras> nicolas__: what about libstreamanalyzer0 ? :p
[16:08] <nicolas__> montfras: this one doesn't seem to be installed. But I can't find it in kpackagekit
[16:12] <montfras> that might be the problem, I'm not sure
[16:12] <montfras> let me take a look at it but first try: mv .kde/share/apps/nepomuk/ .kde/share/apps/nepomuk-backup/
[16:13] <montfras> this will remove your nepomuk folder, it will make a new one an that could solve the issue
[16:15] <nicolas__> montfras: it doesn't seem to change anything
[16:15] <nicolas__> Do you think I should restard my computer?
[16:15] <nicolas__> Nooooo, it did change!
[16:15] <montfras> try  to check and de-select the strigi checkbox
[16:15] <montfras> working now?
[16:16] <nicolas__> "Strigi is currently indexing files"!
[16:16] <nicolas__> Thanks a lot!
[16:16] <montfras> no problem
[16:16] <chonlatee> my problem is if i logout it will stuck and need to restart
[16:16] <nicolas__> I would hugg you if there were not two screens and probably hundreds of kilometers between is
[16:17] <chonlatee> who have something like this ?
[16:17] <montfras> haha one more thing to do: remove the nepomuk-backup folder
[16:17] <nicolas__> montfras: ok, thank you
[16:17] <montfras> something like rm .kde/share/apps/nepomuk/ -r -i
[16:18] <montfras> or use the safe way: dolphin
[16:18] <montfras> phew glad that worked out, my memmorie served me well after all :)
[16:19] <montfras> chonlatee: does it show you an error message?
[16:20] <nicolas__> chonlatee: I do have a bug sometime when waking up from sleeping mode. If anyone have a solution by the way...
[16:21] <chonlatee> montfras: no it's just dake and have only cursor and i press ctrl + alt + del it's restart
[16:21] <chonlatee> montfras: *dark not dake sorry
[16:22] <nicolas__> wahooooo, it's amazing, it works! I can seek in files! Awsome!
[16:24] <montfras> chonlatee: you don't happen to have an ATI graphics card?
[16:25] <chonlatee> montfras: i use ATI graphics card.
[16:25] <chonlatee> montfras: i use dell studio 1450
[16:29] <sean_w> Where are the privicy settings for kopote? This perveted AIM bot won't leave me alone :P
[16:33] <montfras> chonlatee: can you please check /var/log/kdm.log for errors
[16:35] <nicolas__> Ok, have a nice day! Thanks again montfras
[16:36] <montfras> haha you're welcome!
[17:01] <ilias> can anyone explain me why when the system is booting other times i see only a black screen and other times i see black screen then kubuntu blue screen and finally the splash screen?
[17:07] <BluesKaj> ilias, how many desktops installed , gnome, unity and kde ?
[17:09] <ilias> only kde 4.4.5 under 10.04
[17:17] <ilias> well?
[17:31] <Linkmaster> ilias: it could be a video driver issue, they seem to follow under black screens
[17:33] <ilias> is it common to boot in different way?
[17:35] <giantpune> does anybody here use colibri?  i have installed the package, but im not quite sure what else needs to be done for it to work
[17:37] <giantpune> this is the error screen im getting   http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5615/colibri.png
[17:48] <ilias> hi genii.
[18:14] <kubuntu> cs
[18:40] <tarkanoid> salut
[20:21] <pawleeq> hello
[20:22] <pawleeq> I need to send one email to about 100 different recievers and I want each reciever to see only his aaddress, how to do it woth kmail
[20:22] <pawleeq> ?
[20:22] <DarthFrog> Can't you use BCC?
[20:22] <gomiboy> bcc
[20:22] <DarthFrog> BCC = Blind Carbon Copy
[20:23] <pawleeq> shouldnt the messagge be marked as spam then?
[20:26] <SIR_Taco> pawleeq: it shouldn't be, no
[20:27] <pawleeq> ok
[20:27] <pawleeq> and when I put the addresses into BCC field as comma separated list, is it ok?
[20:27] <SIR_Taco> it dpeneds on your ISP and/or email provider, and possibly the recipients provider
[20:29] <SIR_Taco> pawleeq: the only thing that adding addresses to BCC does, is that the recipient can't see who else you sent the message to.
[20:42] <SIR_Taco> I guess the question was answered?
[21:03] <kalib> Hi people. Why does everytime I update my system my flash stops working?
[21:03] <kalib> Again, today I updated my system and flash is not working.. if I open about:plugins on firefox or chromium, I can't see flash..
[21:04] <kalib> every update flash is having problems. And I have to unninstall it and install again.
[21:15] <Walzmyn> because Flash sucks
[21:19] <kalib> Walzmyn, that's not the reason... Every single update on this kubuntu I need to # aptitude remove flashplugin-installer && aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
[21:20] <Walzmyn> kalib: I dunna, I've never had anything but trouble with flash. I wish it didn't exsist
[21:20] <kalib> well, html5 promises this better future.
[21:22] <wintellect> How do I get choqok to post to multiple accounts at the same time?
[21:22] <maco> copy and paste
[21:22] <wintellect> :(
[21:22] <wintellect> it doesn't support simultaneous posting?
[21:23] <maco> unless the UI has changed drastically in the last year, no
[21:23] <maco> it has a textbox per tab, and a tab per account
[21:23] <wintellect> ok - that's dissappointing
[21:23] <maco> there's no multi-account text box
[21:23] <wintellect> i see
[21:23] <maco> i mean, check...maybe you can right click and tell it to do more accounts in that one text box? but i dont think so
[21:23] <wintellect> tried that
[21:24] <maco> gwibber might be what you want
[21:24] <wintellect> ok,, thanks maco
[21:24] <maco> though ive noticed some bugginess with turning off and on any of the ...6 or so accounts i have
[21:25] <maco> (you click the icon for the account to enable/disable, but the icon's state doesn't always update even though the account's state DOES. so checking in the account settings is the only wya to be sure. restarting gwibber does force refresh on the icons)
[21:53] <uberfrau> hey, how do i automate my wallet so i don't have to enter my pw every time i turn my machine on?
[21:55] <uberfrau> also, a powercord became unplugged; i rebooted but filesystem was messed up and it was checking for battery state (i'm on a desktop), luckily recovery mode fixed it but i'm curious as to why the battery state check happened at all =)
[21:55] <Torch> uberfrau: kwallet currently cannot do that (use the login credentials)
[21:56] <uberfrau> can i give permission for it to authenticate a process though?
[21:56] <uberfrau> i'm the only user on my machine, so i don't login when the machine starts >.>
[21:56] <Torch> uberfrau: use an empty kwallet password then if you don't care about security
[21:57] <uberfrau> Torch: lol
[21:59] <SIR_Taco> True to some extent... really KDE wallet is just a place to store all your passwords, and unlock them with a single password... if that single password is discovered, then you eukered
[22:03] <Torch> SIR_Taco: thanks for clearing that up for me
[22:04] <SIR_Taco> `np
[22:38] <SIR_Taco> mission piss off neighbours... accomplished :)
[22:41] <soee> is there any msn client for kde ?
[22:43] <SIR_Taco> soee: Kopete will connect to MSN fine
[22:47] <soee> SIR_Taco, ok thank you i havent used it
[22:47] <SIR_Taco> soee: should work fine
[23:06] <goldroger> hi, I'm using yakuake ( based off konsole ), and font 'consolas' on it. However, the font keeps getting truncated - so do many other fixed width fonts like calibri, candara, monaco
[23:06] <goldroger> how can I fix this ?
[23:13] <Torch> goldroger: i'd suggest asking on #kde. sho, the yakuake dev,  often answers questions there (though not right now)
[23:13] <goldroger> thanks Torch
[23:21] <aaronth> no chum bucket?
[23:22] <SIR_Taco>  aaronth.... we talking about Sponge Bob?
[23:22] <aaronth> SIR_Taco: no someone here was named that
[23:23] <SIR_Taco> ah ok
[23:31] <linux-beginner-h> how can I search files in kde using strigi? I configured the file search and the index is up to date...
[23:31] <linux-beginner-h> Alt+F2 does not work... using the lastest stable kde version
[23:37] <SIR_Taco> linux-beginner-h: you're trying to search via the run dialog?
[23:37] <linux-beginner-h> yes... is there something else I can use?
[23:37] <linux-beginner-h> I thought it's the same like in windows 7 :-)
[23:39] <soee> anyone using kmess ?
[23:39] <SIR_Taco> linux-beginner-h: if you open Dolphine... (your file mananger by default) Click on the "Find" icon at the top... or menu "Edit -> Find" ... or CTRL-F... and type from there
[23:39] <SIR_Taco> Dolphin, even
[23:40] <linux-beginner-h> I hate dolphin... it's to minimalistic... does konqueror the same?
[23:40] <linux-beginner-h> or can I use kfind?
[23:40] <linux-beginner-h> maybe it's always the same :-)
[23:41] <SIR_Taco> linux-beginner-h: I don't think Kfind works with Strigi/nepomuk
[23:41] <linux-beginner-h> konqueror?
[23:41] <SIR_Taco> konqueror is depreciated.....
[23:43] <linux-beginner-h> SIR_Taco: ohhhh..... ok....
[23:43] <linux-beginner-h> it's one of the best kde app :-)
[23:43] <SIR_Taco> linux-beginner-h: the problem is that the "new stuff" is in the "new stuff"
[23:43] <linux-beginner-h> SIR_Taco: ok thank you...
[23:44] <linux-beginner-h> what does the kicker plugin nepomuk does?
[23:44] <linux-beginner-h> can I use it?
[23:44] <linux-beginner-h> It's call nepomuk desktop search runner in kubuntu
[23:44] <SIR_Taco> do you have a url for it?
[23:44] <SIR_Taco> haven't heard of it
[23:45] <linux-beginner-h> ALT+2 / settings icon...
[23:45] <linux-beginner-h> on the left side
[23:46] <briandw1969> how to get flash update for FF ????????????????
[23:48] <SIR_Taco> briandw1969: think if there were less than 20 question marks... you wouldn't seem like an arse?
[23:48] <chemicalvamp> My setting changes like mouse acceleration taskbar orientation and size do not remain after reboot. any ideas?
[23:48] <briandw1969> it shows my level of confusion
[23:48] <SIR_Taco> linux-beginner-h: you mean the "nepomuk file indexing" icon in the tray?
[23:49] <linux-beginner-h> negative...
[23:49] <linux-beginner-h> when you open the runner (Alt+F2) you can configure this an enable plugins
[23:49] <SIR_Taco> linux-beginner-h: ah ok, I see what you're saying
[23:52] <SIR_Taco> linux-beginner-h: hit Alt-F2... type "Nepomuk" and it should give you an option below to "enable nepomuk search"
[23:52] <SIR_Taco> briandw1969: what version of flash do you have?
[23:53] <briandw1969> i just installed 11.04
[23:53] <linux-beginner-h> SIR_Taco: I think you miss understand me... nepomuk is enabled...
[23:53] <linux-beginner-h> SIR_Taco: the strigi index is up 2 date
[23:53] <SIR_Taco> linux-beginner-h: yes, I get that...
[23:54] <linux-beginner-h> SIR_Taco: I going to try how to search my files now... without dolphin... like ALT+F2 and enter "filename.pdf"
[23:54] <linux-beginner-h> SIR_Taco: when I enter nepomuk... I receive a list for applications... not files...
[23:55] <soee> any kmess user here ?
[23:56] <linux-beginner-h> nope... using kopete
[23:56] <SIR_Taco> linux-beginner-h: I didn't have nepomuk/strigi enabled with ALT-F2... when I started typing "nepomuk" it came up with an option of "enabling nepomuk search"... now if I hit "ALT-F2" then type "Green Day" all my Green Day songs show up
[23:56] <linux-beginner-h> SIR_Taco: nice... ok
[23:57] <SIR_Taco> linux-beginner-h: or, if I type "Punk" all my MP3s with punk as a genre show up
[23:57] <chemicalvamp> My setting changes like mouse acceleration taskbar orientation and size do not remain after reboot. any ideas?
[23:58] <chemicalvamp> also.. any recommendations on a good media player?
[23:58] <linux-beginner-h> SIR_Taco:  wow... I have activated all plugins and now it works... really strange!
[23:59] <SIR_Taco>  linux-beginner-h: well at least it works :)
[23:59] <linux-beginner-h> SIR_Taco: thanks for your help!
[23:59] <SIR_Taco> soee: what's your problem with kmess?
[23:59] <SIR_Taco> linux-beginner-h: you're welcome


[03:46] <jcastro> popey: awake?
[15:56] <akgraner> Joeb454 answering that now and I'll put out a detailed Blog post today - I've been trying to get that done since Friday  :-(  But I have blocked out time today to work on all this.


[00:07] <norsetto> blairzajac: I'll give it a better look tomorrow but looks pretty good, just two things:
[00:08] <norsetto> blairzajac: the standards version is now 3.8.0 (not your fault, time passed away unfortunately)
[00:08] <norsetto> blairzajac: since your icense is the same as perl, you need to have pointers in copyright to /usr/share/common-licenses/Artistic and /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL
[00:09] <norsetto> blairzajac: not sure if Perl-5 is GPL-2 or GPL-3, just use the right one
[00:11] <norsetto> blairzajac: also, your watch file doesn't seem to work
[00:14] <norsetto> blairzajac: also, please file a needs-packaging bug in LP and close it in your changelog with (LP: #xxxxx). You don't need all that stuff in changelog, just initial release will do
[01:12] <mitsarionas> hi all...could someone help me with automake/autoconf?
[01:25] <blairzajac> norsetto: thanks!
[01:33] <zachtib> hey, i have a packaging problem... i'm making a package that is split into multiple binary packages, all of which have some python in them.  the files are getting moved to /usr/share/python-support, but then each binary package's files go into a separate subdir after that... how can i get them all in the same directory the way it was before I spilt the package?
[01:33] <zachtib> i've been googling for a couple hours now :-/
[01:39] <persia> zachtib: The presumption is that you are splitting the package in a way that makes the separate pieces logically distinct.  While there are ways to force things to again be in the same directory, why would you want to split the package if the contents are collocated?
[01:41] <zachtib> well, there's a daemon and multiple UI's, i want the daemon in one package, then each UI in another, but then there's also some shared module that I have in a common package
[01:41] <persia> That makes sense.  Now, why ought they share the same directory?
[01:42] <zachtib> well, i know when they are in different directories, it crashes, which i'm assuming is because they can't find some of the common modules
[01:43] <persia> That sounds like insufficient namespace separation to me, which would be a bug.  Is the code perhaps not written to be sufficiently modular to do what you expect?
[01:45] <zachtib> that might be the case, and if so i'll work with the devs to fix the issue
[01:46] <persia> zachtib: Good luck.  Note that without seeing the error, I'm just guessing: it could be that there's some file that needs to be in a different place, and it's just an artifact of the way the package was split.
[01:46] <zachtib> one sec, lemme reproduce and pastebin
[01:47] <zachtib> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23223/
[01:48] <zachtib> that may or may not be the error that's causing trouble, i'm rebuilding now
[01:51] <zachtib> yeah, it's pretty much the same error
[01:53] <persia> That fragment clearly indicates that the code sought is not stored in the expected place.  That said, it's not likely you can differentiate between the code to be loaded being stored in an unexpected or misnamed directory from loading code that makes incorrect assumptions about the relative relationship to code to be loaded without investigation of the code concerned.
[01:53] <zachtib> ok, i think i may have left something out when i split the package, i'm gonna go check over my scripts again
[01:53] <persia> It's worth checking documentation on the modularity of the affected package, and ensuring that your package split and the expected modular breakdown match: this may require patching some module names.
[01:55] <persia> On the other hand, this approach may not be successful, as it may be that the code is constructed in such a way that you cannot split the package in the way you desire. (it's neither simple or desireable to have two binary packages provide separate components of a single module)
[01:55] <emgent> ls
[01:56] <emgent> ups, wrong terminale session
[01:56] <zachtib> oh wow, yeah, i missed a lot of .py files >.<
[01:56] <persia> zachtib: Excellent news: you're now no longer communication blocked, and can proceed with your plan :)
[01:57] <zachtib> yep, till my next error at least
[01:58] <zachtib> the project was meant to be modular from the ground up, but i think i'm the first one to actually try and build multiple binaries out of it
[02:38] <emgent> night
[02:41] <zachtib> persia, got my package working, thanks for the help :)
[02:43] <persia> zachtib: Great news!
[05:04] <persia> There's a completely unadvertised MOTU Meeting on in #ubuntu-meeting, if anyone is available to attend.
[05:08]  * ScottK jumps in.
[06:28] <foxbuntu> Hi all, I was wondering if someone would mind a quick review of my package to provide a +2 for it
[06:28] <foxbuntu> mythbuntu-apple-trailers
[06:29] <StevenK> foxbuntu: Can you post a URL to it?
[06:29] <foxbuntu> StevenK, http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=mythbuntu-apple-trailers
[06:42] <swegner> Is there a standard way to package icons to be installed using cdbs?
[06:45] <StevenK> foxbuntu: Personally, I'm not so sure about having the source in <unpacked dir>/usr/share/mythtv. It should be installed there by debian/rules, but probably not in the upstream tarball, surely?
[06:47] <foxbuntu> StevenK, I am the upstream now, but i am not really sure what you are asking?
[06:47] <StevenK> foxbuntu: When you unpack the .orig tarball, the source isn't in ., it's in ./usr/share/mythtv
[06:48] <superm1> a variety of the mythbuntu-* packages store it that way already
[06:48] <StevenK> In the source? Why?
[06:48] <superm1> no need to complicate things and make a rule for moving it around
[06:48] <superm1> you know exactly where it will end up
[06:49] <StevenK> It's three files, you add a debian/install file, and stop caring. :-)
[06:50] <superm1> well when the packages start to grow at least
[06:50] <superm1> some of them are shipping a ton of settings files say for example
[06:50] <superm1> but either way its a matter of opinion
[06:50] <StevenK> I've just never seen it done that way before
[06:52] <StevenK> Does mythtv-frontend being installed ensure the mythtv user and group exist?
[06:53] <superm1> mythtv-common does
[06:53] <superm1> which is a dependency for mythtv-frontend
[06:53] <StevenK> Right. In any case, the packaging for mythbuntu-apple-trailers looks good.
[06:54] <StevenK> foxbuntu: ^
[06:55] <foxbuntu> StevenK, thanks
[06:55] <foxbuntu> StevenK, did you add a comment +1?
[06:56] <StevenK> Just fighting with REVU to do so now
[06:57] <foxbuntu> thanks
[07:36] <dholbach> good morning
[07:37] <nxvl> hi!
[07:39] <geser> Guten Morgen dholbach
[07:39] <dholbach> hi geser, hi nxvl
[07:39] <nxvl> i have been thinking today about we talk last night
[07:39] <nxvl> and i think that maybe a process like debian's NM would be good
[07:40] <nxvl> (not so bottle necked as debian, but that's the idea)
[07:40] <dholbach> nxvl: what would you like to change?
[07:40] <siretart> Guten Morgen, MOTU!
[07:41] <nxvl> dholbach: the mentors program
[07:41] <nxvl> in my experience with it, is too short
[07:41] <dholbach> nxvl: and what in particular would you like to change?
[07:42] <nxvl> well
[07:42] <nxvl> first to have some standars for mentors
[07:42] <nxvl> so the people mentoring a new contributor to have some "steps" to follow
[07:42] <nxvl> and make it more extensive
[07:42] <nxvl> i was drop by my own really early as i feel it
[07:43] <dholbach> we never announced the mentors programme really publically and even then we did not have enough mentors
[07:43] <geser> Guten Morgen siretart
[07:43] <dholbach> I'm not sure that introducing standards for mentors is going to help with that particular problem
[07:44] <nxvl> well i was more thinking in having steps for new contributor
[07:44] <siretart> 'steps'?
[07:45] <nxvl> and not to hardly say mentors: this are the standars
[07:45] <dholbach> like?
[07:45] <nxvl> just: here you have some suggestions that you can follow
[07:45] <jscinoz> Hey guys, im working on a number of packages, and i've run into a problem with cowbuilder, basically i cannot run multiple instances of it simultaneously as it gets dpkg admin directory locked errors, any ideas what i'm doing wrong?
[07:47] <nxvl> jscinoz: have you tried pbuilder?
[07:48] <jscinoz> nxvl, yes but its far slower than cowbuilder due to the extracting of the base tarball each build
[07:48]  * nxvl loves pbuilder
[07:48] <RAOF> sbuild-on-lvm FTW!
[07:48] <jscinoz> cowbuilder is still prettymuch pbuilder just cow directory rather than tarball
[07:49] <jscinoz> but any ideas why they seem to ebe sharing a common /var/lock?
[07:50] <nxvl> dholbach: actually i don't think the process isn't good, just that can be better, and i'm thinking on ways to improve it
[08:05] <jscinoz> hmm
[08:05] <jscinoz> anyone else notice that /var/lock is mounted on tmpfs while in a chroot (cowbuilder), causing breakage when using multiple cowbuilders at once?
[08:06] <StevenK> /var/lock and /var/run have been tmpfses since Feisty.
[08:09] <jscinoz> does that behaviour break pbuilder/cowbuilder for anyone other than me then?
[08:09] <StevenK> I don't recall it breaking pbuilder.
[08:11] <jscinoz> basically because it seems /var/lock is common amoungst all chroots, multiple simultaneous builds fail with DPKG administrator directory locked
[08:11] <jscinoz> when trying to satsify build depends
[08:18] <TheMuso> ?c
[09:32] <huats> morning everyone
[09:41] <gnomefreak> doko: did you merge fontconfig?
[10:18] <sistpoty|work> hi folks
[10:18] <Iulian> Heya sistpoty
[10:19] <sistpoty|work> hi Iulian
[13:23] <norsetto> cheerio
[13:23] <geser> Hi norsetto
[13:24] <norsetto> hi geser
[13:29] <huats> hey norsetto and geser
[13:30] <huats> norsetto: dont you should have sent me an email about the mentoring :) ?
[13:30] <norsetto> huats \!*
[13:31] <huats> norsetto: !!
[13:31] <norsetto> huats: its ready to go, will send it around 1700
[13:31] <huats> norsetto: take your time for the mail, but don't forget it !
[13:31] <huats> ;)
[13:31] <huats> no pb
[13:31] <geser> Hi huats
[13:32] <norsetto> huats: would you be available to have a chat tonight? Anytime between 2200 and 0100 ?
[13:33] <huats> norsetto: not realy sure
[13:33] <huats> norsetto: can I confirm that later ?
[13:33] <norsetto> huats: ok, let me know when you see my email
[13:33] <huats> sure
[14:05] <PMantis> Does anyone have a URL they can give me stating that deb packages are typically built to install to (for example) /usr/sbin instead of /usr/local/sbin ?
[14:08] <directhex> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.1
[14:57] <superm1> could someone take a look at this debian/control and tell me why it's even getting attempted to be built on anything that is not i386,lpia,or amd64? http://paste.ubuntu.com/23307/
[14:58] <superm1> i get mail about it FTBFS on these other platforms, but both binary packages shouldn't be touched on them
[15:00] <directhex> superm1, can i see a failed build log?
[15:01] <superm1> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15644065/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-sparc.coreavc_0.1~svn65-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[15:02] <sistpoty|work> superm1: afaict that's normal... architecture in debian/control will just cause a FTBFS on architectures not in there
[15:02] <superm1> sistpoty|work, well how can i keep it from building on those other arch's then?
[15:02] <sistpoty|work> superm1: iirc the only way that the package won't get attempted to build is via p-a-s
[15:02] <superm1> what's p-a-s?
[15:02] <superm1> soyuz thing?
[15:02] <superm1> like a soyuz override
[15:03] <sistpoty|work> superm1: not really, it's package-arch-specific shared by debian and ubuntu, ask lamont or elmo for details ;)
[15:03] <sistpoty|work> (and yes, it's a override database)
[15:03] <sebner> hiuhu sistpoty|work
[15:03] <sistpoty|work> hi sebner
[15:03] <directhex> superm1, your standards-version needs updating while you're at it
[15:04] <superm1> directhex, not if its based on an old standards and will be backported
[15:04] <superm1> :)
[15:04] <directhex> yay, backports are a world of fun
[15:04] <superm1> sistpoty|work, well i'll ask elmo about details when he's around.  for getting this solved though, should i just file a bug and subscribe ubuntu-archive then?
[15:05] <superm1> to tell them to override it
[15:05] <sistpoty|work> superm1: iirc the right thing is to mail elmo and lamont (and there's a third person in p-a-s, I just forgot who)
[15:06] <sistpoty|work> \sh: didn't you recently ask for an updated entry in p-a-s and hence know the procedure?
[15:07] <directhex> i see nothing wrong with the control file, so it must be something silly, such as sistpoty|work's suggestion
[15:08] <\sh> sistpoty|work: yes..ask lamont,elmo or infinity
[15:09] <sistpoty|work> \sh: a, thx... superm1 ^^
[15:09] <directhex> so why does LP ignore the Architecture line?
[15:10] <directhex> i mean, isn't the entire effing point of it so you don't need some kind of magic override database with the same goddamn info in it?
[15:10] <superm1> thanks \sh
[15:10] <sistpoty|work> directhex: it doesn't ignore it, it does the right thing, which is to fail the build
[15:11] <directhex> sistpoty|work, it's intentional! if it was meant to attempt to build on that arch, then it'd be listed in Architecture!
[15:11] <sistpoty|work> directhex: the p-a-s layer exists mainly to ease porting, and because maintainers are often wrong in regards to architecture
[15:12] <Hobbsee> superm1: u-a can't do anything about overrides, last i knew.
[15:12] <Hobbsee> it's only lamont / infinity / elmo iirc.
[15:12] <superm1> okay :)
[15:14] <directhex> sistpoty|work, if it's to ease porting, then it's implemented wrong - it should either assume the packager isn't thick (and allow the porters to override on a per-package basis) or assume the packager isn't thick, and only bother the porters with FTBFS issues (because nobody wants to see mess caused by trying to build obviously i386-only junk on hppa)
[15:15] <geser> superm1: http://cvs.debian.org/srcdep/Packages-arch-specific?root=dak&view=markup is the current P-a-s list used both by Debian and Ubuntu
[15:15]  * directhex grumbles
[15:16] <superm1> surely its not identical in both.  we have packages not present in debian
[15:16] <sistpoty|work> directhex: well, p-a-s is just an override on a per-package basis (everything that's not in there imo takes the values from the architecture field)... that the uploader gets the ftbfs mails is a different question though, and nothing debian specific ;)
[15:17] <geser> sistpoty|work: isn't the default that it's given to every buildd and will fail later because of the Architecture line?
[15:17] <sistpoty|work> geser: not too sure actually, that at least happens *if* there's s.th. in p-a-s
[15:17] <sistpoty|work> geser: however that may be true as well
[15:19] <sistpoty|work> geser: oh, indeed, since coreavc is not in p-a-s
[15:19] <persia> superm1: It is identical for both distributions.  Perhaps eventually Soyuz will move away from P-a-s, and use the extracted information from the architecture field, but it isn't so implemented yet.
[15:21] <superm1> persia, so that means if elmo/infinity/lamont fix it, they will be adding this override in debian for a package that (currently and possibly never) isn't present there?
[15:22] <persia> superm1: Precisely.  The reason it is those three people is because of the role they have in Debian.  The fact that it matters for Ubuntu is only accidental.
[15:22] <superm1> geez.  that makes more sense why ~ubuntu-archive cant touch it then
[15:24] <persia> Yep.  I heard once that the long-term goal was not to use P-a-s, but that it was leftovers from dak, which is why it is that way.  If such a plan isn't in place, it likely makes more sense to branch P-a-s for administration by buildd-admins.
[15:41] <vhaarr> Hey, the latest audacious (1.5.1-1ubuntu1) segfaults on launch -- should I file a bug or is it enough to mention it here?
[15:42] <vhaarr> if I start it from a terminal I just get a message saying "Segmentation fault" and no stacktrace or anything.
[15:42] <james_w> vhaarr: please file a bug
[15:42] <vhaarr> james_w: any other details I can provoke somehow, or logs that I should include?
[15:42] <james_w> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[15:42] <vhaarr> right
[15:42] <james_w> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace
[15:43] <james_w> those pages should help you provide information about the segfault.
[15:43] <james_w> also, you should look in /var/crash to see if you have any audacious crash files
[15:43] <james_w> if you do then running "apport-cli -c <file>" on one will file a bug using apport which may be easier than getting the backtrace yourself.
[15:45] <vhaarr> james_w: actually I dont have apport installed, would that make it easier to generate a backtrace in the first place? If I install apport and try to run audacious again, I mean.
[15:45] <vhaarr> there are no logs in /var/crash
[15:45] <james_w> there won't be if apport isn't installed
[15:46] <james_w> it may be easier to install it and use that, I don't know.
[15:46] <vhaarr> I am not sure how apport works, does it use some sort of kernel hooks? Perhaps I would have to restart for it to work after installing.
[15:46] <vhaarr> I'll try
[15:53] <vhaarr> ah, heh, someone reported the same bug 3 minutes ago :p
[15:53] <vhaarr> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/audacious/+bug/243539
[15:53] <vhaarr> I was just about to file it
[15:54] <persia> I'd really like to see a full apport trace for that: the supplied trace has missing symbols.
[15:55] <vhaarr> the trace I generated with gdb is exactly the same as in the report already
[15:55] <vhaarr> I installed apport, but it does not provide any dialog when I reproduce the segfault
[15:56] <vhaarr> (or any log in /var/crash)
[15:56] <persia> Frame #2 in threads 1 & 3 has no symbol?
[15:56] <persia> (and we should probably take this to #ubuntu-bugs)
[16:34] <k0p> !help
[16:35] <k0p> someone can help me to re-sync my key to upload on revu?
[16:37] <sistpoty|work> k0p: sure, give me a minute
[16:38] <k0p> ok. :) thanks
[16:40] <sistpoty|work> k0p: hm... are you a member of the group revu-uploaders on launchpad?
[16:41] <sistpoty|work> k0p: nevermind, found you already
[16:42] <k0p> sistpoty|work, yeap. I make a upload to revu. But I don't have sucessful. I forget ask to re-sync.
[16:43] <sistpoty|work> k0p: good. resync will be completed in a few minutes. I'll then put back your upload, so it should show up with in the next 10 minutes
[16:44] <k0p> sistpoty|work, so.. I need re-upload files?
[16:44] <sistpoty|work> k0p: no, you don't... the files are all still there, just in the rejected queue, but I'll free them ;)
[16:45] <k0p> oh thanks for spot files. sorry mistakes :)
[16:46] <sistpoty|work> k0p: no problem
[16:54] <Laibsch> Hi
[16:54] <Laibsch> I am trying to build a package from bzr. I have put debian/ into a separate bazaar branch, too.  debuild now complains about the debian/.bzr/ directory and binary, unrepresentable changes in there.  How can I get debuild to ignore that directory?
[16:55] <ember> Laibsch try debuild -i.bzr
[16:59] <Laibsch> looking good
[17:00] <Laibsch> Thanks, just what I needed.  I wonder why that is not mentioned in the man-page
[17:01] <sistpoty|work> Laibsch: debuild passes the parameters to dpkg-buildpackage, which in turn passes them to dpkg-source (when a source package should get built)
[17:01] <sistpoty|work> Laibsch: hence you can find it in the one of those man pages
[17:02] <Laibsch> Ah, yes right
[17:02] <Laibsch> I got bitten by that before (looking for stuff in the debuild man-page when it was an option for one of the scripts it called)
[17:11] <norsetto> hmmmm, how de we reserve channels for meetings? The fridge!?
[17:14] <sistpoty|work> norsetto: ubuntu-news-team list (cf. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2008-June/000428.html)
[17:16] <norsetto> thanks super-master sistpoty|work (even though I still have to find how to actually do the bloody thing)
[17:18] <sistpoty|work> norsetto: you mean how to register a meeting?
[17:18] <norsetto> sistpoty|work: yes, how to check if the room is available and book it
[17:18] <sistpoty|work> norsetto: that's a good question... it used to be on http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event (but that doesn't display anything for me atm.)
[17:19] <norsetto> sistpoty|work: neither for me, so, at least I'm not blinder than usual
[17:19] <sistpoty|work> heh
[17:20] <persia> norsetto: If your meeting is soon, the #ubuntu-meeting topic can be a good guide for room availability.  If you want #ubuntu-classroom, talk to james_w or pleia
[17:23] <norsetto> persia: OK, I set it through the topic, thx
[17:27] <persia> norsetto: You really want to set it by sending a note to the ubuntu-news-team, as the bot will overwrite your /topic update at the time of the next meeting.
[17:27] <persia> I only meant to suggest that reading the /topic was an alternate mechanism to get the list of events whilst that fridge page was blank.
[17:28] <norsetto> persia: well, never mind, as long as the room is free I'm happy
[17:32] <persia> norsetto: It's usually free around that time, but I still encourage you to send a quick email, just in case :)
[17:44] <porthose> norsetto: 20:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting for the mentoring reception meeting sounds good, will be there :)
[17:44] <norsetto> porthose: cool
[17:44]  * DktrKranz kicks at himself for bogus twisted-calendarserver upload :/
[17:45]  * norsetto didn't know that totem could use mplayer as the backend
[18:07] <porthose> norsetto:  I have emailed everyone on the "status" list, requesting an update. :)
[18:10] <pochu> hi all!
[18:10] <sistpoty|work> hi pochu
[18:12] <pochu> hey sistpoty|work
[18:19]  * sistpoty|work needs to head home, cya
[18:39] <Technoviking> how do I create a .dsc file for a new pakage
[18:39] <azeem> dpkg-source does tat
[18:39] <azeem> that*
[18:43] <directhex> debuild -S -sa?
[18:43] <Technoviking> azeem: is there a guide to dpkg-source somewhere
[18:43] <azeem> there's the manpage
[18:43] <azeem> but probably using debuild or dpkg-buildpackage -S is better
[18:44] <Technoviking> how do I get past gpg: [stdin]: clearsign failed: secret key not available
[18:44] <RainCT> Technoviking: what are you using, debuild?
[18:44] <Technoviking> RainCT: yes
[18:45] <RainCT> Technoviking: debuild -S -sa -k<your email address>
[18:45] <RainCT> or use  dch  to sign the last changelog entry with your name and email
[18:46] <RainCT> (supposing that you have a GPG address and the variables DEBFULLNAME and DEBEMAIL are exported)
[18:47] <norsetto> porthose: thanks
[18:47] <porthose> norsetto: np
[18:48] <Technoviking> doing  debuild -S -sa<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:49] <Technoviking> still get error, gpg is setup on this machine
[18:49] <RainCT> Technoviking: and you have a GPG key for e-mail address<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:49] <RainCT> (on your machine)
[18:49] <Technoviking> RainCT: yup
[18:51] <RainCT> Technoviking: isn't there a 'g' missing?
[18:51] <Technoviking> needed key and not e-mail
[18:51] <RainCT> Technoviking: ie, basinger and not basiner
[18:51] <Technoviking> mistyped in irc, was ok in terminal
[18:52] <RainCT> ah
[18:52] <RainCT> it should work with the e-mail then... :S
[18:53] <Technoviking> e-mail work not after using gpg key
[18:53] <Technoviking> must have a gpg problem somewhere
[18:54] <Technoviking> lets see if pbuilder will work now
[18:59] <Laibsch> Oops, sorry
[19:00] <Laibsch> Wrong window
[19:00] <Laibsch> Can somebody please change that back?
[19:00] <Laibsch> Done
[19:41] <sistpoty> hi folks
[19:41] <norsetto> sistpoty: who are you?
[19:42] <norsetto> sistpoty: hmmm, I guess you are the poorer brother of sistpoty|work
[19:42] <sistpoty> norsetto: yes... imagine sistpoty|work in the evening, with a beer at hand *g*
[19:43] <norsetto> sistpoty: cheers :-)
[19:43] <sistpoty> cheers :)
[19:51] <grimko> hi all, I'm very new to this but I'd like to create a program that would warn the user if disk space runs low
[19:53] <grimko> I've already made daemons in Perl or bash, and the idea would be to send a message to the notification area (that's just for a quick start)
[19:54] <johanbr> grimko: That already exists, I think it's part of gnome-volume-manager.
[19:54] <grimko> the problem is that I got no idea how to send a message to this notification area :)
[19:54] <grimko> volume ?
[19:55] <grimko> johanbr, not in hardy in my opinion
[19:55] <johanbr> It's there. See /usr/share/doc/gnome-volume-manager/changelog.Debian.gz
[19:56] <grimko> ok, I'll have a look thx
[19:57] <ScottK> sistpoty: Did you have a chance to have a look at nxvl's packaging of augeaus yet?  It's got some library stuff in it, so I suggested to him it'd be good for you to have a look.
[19:57] <ogra> grimko, beyond that the libnotify-bin package has a binary called notify-send that you can use from scripts
[19:58] <grimko> thx ogra, I'll take a look there too :) do you know if the low space running notification exists somewhere ?
[19:58] <ogra> i did, i didnt run out of space in hardy yet :)
[19:58] <ogra> *it did
[19:59] <sistpoty> ScottK: no, not yet... is it on revu?
[19:59] <ogra> i'm not sure about the current satatus though
[19:59] <ScottK> Yes.  I think I may have spelled it wrong though.
[19:59] <ScottK> Just a moment.
[19:59] <ScottK> sistpoty: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=augeas
[20:00] <sistpoty> thanks ScottK, will take a look
[20:00] <ScottK> Great.
[20:08] <pgib> hello ubuntu-motu fellows.  I am not an Ubuntu user myself, but I am a developer of the application LMMS.  lmms.sf.net.  The package is already in universe.  We are about to release an alpha of the next major version.
[20:09] <pgib> How do I get in touch with the correct maintainer so we can make sure the next version will be properly supported by Ubuntu?  Thanks!
[20:11] <pgib> I looked around on the motu pages, but.. it doesn't seem to be helpful for me
[20:11] <norsetto> pgib: we merge lmms from Debian, therefore if you get it there we will eventually get it too
[20:12] <pgib> norsetto: OK. that makes sense.  I guess there is a schedule saying when the last merge will be before intrepid?
[20:13] <porthose> pgib: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule
[20:13] <pgib> OK. thanks for all your help
[20:14] <norsetto> pgib: we are free to merge before freeze, after that you need an exception
[20:14] <pgib> Ah yesturday... we missed it
[20:14] <tacone> not that freeze I guess
[20:14] <norsetto> pgib: no, feature freeze on August 18th
[20:15] <pgib> June 26th: Debian import freeze
[20:15] <tacone> pgib: follow the link to know what it means :)
[20:15] <pgib> yeah I'm waiting.. the page is slow
[20:16] <pgib> OK makes sense.
[20:16] <sistpoty> oh, that reminds me that I wanted to write a mail due to DIF
[20:16] <pgib> So do I just need to bother you guys again once we have the new version in Debian?
[20:16] <norsetto> sistpoty: you can't write mail after DIF
[20:16] <norsetto> pgib: please do, we accept all currencies
[20:17] <sistpoty> norsetto: hm... I guess I didn't dist-upgrade to a post DIF state :P
[20:17] <norsetto> pgib: and major credit cards
[20:17] <pgib> lol. ok :)
[20:18] <pgib> thanks for clarifying everything for me.  You should see me around in a few weeks once the package has sat in Debian for a little while
[20:18] <getaceres> hello
[20:18] <pgib> greetings
[20:19] <norsetto> pgib: see you
[20:19] <getaceres> I'm trying to make a package but I have a problem trying to set the version
[20:20] <getaceres> I need it to be 1:3.1-1 but dh_make fails if I try to use that directory name (package_name-1:3.1)
[20:20] <getaceres> how can I force the version number (if possible using dh_make)
[20:20] <azeem> why the 1:?
[20:21] <getaceres> I want to update an Ubuntu package that has this number in the version
[20:21] <getaceres> it's at the version 1:3.0.2
[20:21] <azeem> ok, so why do you use dh_make?
[20:22] <azeem> dh_make isn't for updating, AFAIK
[20:22] <azeem> maybe look into uupdate
[20:22] <getaceres> because the sources are not debianized and Ubuntu packagers haven't updated the source package to version 3.1 yet
[20:23] <getaceres> so I cannot use the sources from the original
[20:23] <azeem> that's what uupdate is for
[20:24] <azeem> or just copy over the debian/ directory, run dch -i, and change the version number accordingly or something
[20:25] <getaceres> ok, I'll try, thanks
[20:41] <james_w> I have a package here that does "ln -s /usr/bin/foo debian/bar/usr/lib/bar/foo"
[20:41] <james_w> does that shake out to do the right thing in the binary package?
[20:47] <james_w> yes, it does apparently. It just didn't look right.
[20:47] <james_w> by right thing I meant have "/usr/lib/bar/foo -> /usr/bin/foo" in the binary package.
[20:47] <sistpoty> james_w: if /usr/bin/foo is in the depends of the package the link looks good... however the harder question is: why would you want to do such a link?
[20:47] <james_w> sistpoty: ah, all the files are in the same package.
[20:48] <james_w> I was just worried that it might get confused due to the absolute target.
[20:48] <sistpoty> james_w: but then it still doesn't make sense to me imho
[20:48] <james_w> a "cp" would obviously be wrong.
[20:49] <james_w> I think the code is there for compatibility, "foo" moved to /usr/bin, but this makes sure you can still call /usr/lib/bar/foo
[20:49] <sistpoty> but /usr/lib/bar/foo is not meant to be called directly. Do any depends call it?
[20:50] <sistpoty> (or was it an error in the first place, and should have been in /usr/bin all the time, and scripts might rely on it?)
[20:50] <sistpoty> s/depends/rdepends/ btw ;)
[20:51] <james_w> not sure I'm afraid, I'm not familiar with the package, it just caught my eye, so I wanted to check.
[20:51] <sistpoty> james_w: yeah... good catch :)
[20:52] <james_w> thanks for the help
[20:53] <sistpoty> np
[20:53] <huats> norsetto: there I am
[21:01] <getaceres> thank you for your help. It worked, now I have my package updated
[21:07] <DRebellion> Would somebody mind giving my package a review? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=monkeystudio Thanks ;)
[21:09] <sistpoty> ScottK: finally commented on nxvl's package
[21:10] <ScottK> sistpoty: Thanks.  I haven't had a chance to look at it yet, but it looks like an interesting idea.  I'm glad he's working on it.
[21:11]  * sistpoty must admit that he doesn't look at packages on REVU because he thinks them useful... at least most of the time :)
[21:11] <ScottK> I don't normally hunt down reviewers without a good reason.
[21:12] <sistpoty> heh :)
[21:15] <norsetto> huats, porthose: hi guys sorry for the delay
[21:16] <huats> norsetto: no pb
[21:16] <huats> we are in meeting
[21:16] <huats> I mean ubuntu-meeting
[21:16] <huats> nxvl is not here yet
[21:17] <norsetto> huats: I think porthose left already?
[21:17] <huats> nope
[21:25] <pochu> do .xpm icons need to call dh_icons?
[21:27] <sistpoty> pochu: no idea, but I guess they should (otoh an icon cache should find newly added icons by itself, but that's not up for discussion *g*)
[21:28] <huats> raphink: are you around ?
[21:29] <huats> slomo__: are you around too ?
[21:29] <pochu> sistpoty: ok, it won't hurt adding it if they don't anyway :)
[21:30] <pochu> emgent: I'll call dh_icons in debian/rules and sponsor it, if you are OK ^
[21:32] <emgent> ok nice
[21:32] <emgent> but if i remember well it`snt necessary
[21:32] <pochu> emgent: and build-depend on debhelper >= 5.0.51~ for it, that's fine for backporting to hardy, right?
[21:32] <emgent> pochu: yes, backported in my PPA for test and work fine
[21:33] <pochu> I mean, hardy's debhelper is >= 5.0.51, right?
[21:33] <pochu> let me see
[21:34] <pochu> yes, that's fine for gutsy too
[21:34] <pochu> ok, uploading
[21:34] <emgent> yes
[21:34] <emgent> thanks pochu
[21:34]  * sistpoty will be right back after a reboot
[21:38] <emgent> hi no0tic :)
[21:38] <no0tic> hi emgent
[21:39] <jpds> evening no0tic
[21:39] <no0tic> hi jpds :)
[21:46] <sistpoty> hm.. things to not write on irc when on intrepid: "brb after reboot" *g* (epic fail!)
[22:20] <ffm> is it too late to submit a package for intrepid?
[22:20] <ScottK> No.
[22:20] <ffm> ScottK: How long do I have?
[22:24] <sistpoty> ffm: until FeatureFreeze (see wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule)
[22:24] <pgib> August 28th I think
[22:24] <pgib> I just asked the same question :)
[22:25] <ffm> sistpoty: merci.
[22:25] <sistpoty> ffm: de rien ;) (which is the only french I know *g*)
[22:40] <aib> what can I do to help push a package that is currently in Debian's unstable branch into the next release of Ubuntu?
[22:42] <aib> specifically, I am interested in the Debian unstable package libsoqt4-20. This is an SoQt thats linked against Qt-4, whereas the SoQt currently in Ubuntu is linked against Qt-3. Here's the url: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/libsoqt4-20
[22:44] <RoAkSoAx> aib, i believe libsoqt4-20 is already in the Intrepid repos: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=intrepid&section=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=libsoqt4-20
[22:45] <aib> Nice.
[22:45] <aib> that saves me a lot of work ^_^
[23:04] <sistpoty> hm... /me is about to step motu-release on the feet: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23375/
[23:08]  * sistpoty decides to step people on the feet
[23:14] <ScottK> sistpoty: Thanks.  What I most want from motu-release this time is to not feel like it'll all fall apart if I get distracted, so thank you for stepping up.
[23:20] <sistpoty> ScottK: not too sure if I did the right thing... but I think pointing out what went wrong is important, even if it hurts ppl.
[23:21] <ScottK> I agree.  We'll see how it goes.
[23:22] <sistpoty> hm.. /me has another entity to step on the feet.
[23:41] <sistpoty> lol, that's so funny, while digging to find the "MC must vote after 12 days", I've seen so far ScottK's *motu* application and nixternal's
[23:42] <sistpoty> damn, who else did I process back then *g*
[23:42] <sistpoty> superm1: for sure ;)
[23:44] <mario_limonciell> 12 days.  ha
[23:45] <mario_limonciell> i think my app was open what like 100 days?
[23:47] <sistpoty> mario_limonciell: at least that's what I thought, that MC came to this conclusion once... but mail-archive doesn't really support my memory ;)
[23:47] <mario_limonciell> i thought i remembered reading  that too though
[23:47] <mario_limonciell> and thinking to myself, oh this app will be closed out since no one responded in 12 days
[23:50] <Laney> Can I kindly ask a backporter to look at and hopefully ACK bug #226587 please? :)