[00:03] <sathyan> Is there a script/process to verify if a component that is getting integrated into main repository has followed the File System Hierarchy correctly?


[02:08] <Sh1ner> Hello everyone! I'm somewhat new to Linux for my desktop, and wondering the best route to go to 'repair install'. I'm having amd gpu driver issues after an update. Whats the recommended process to do a repair without losing my apps/data/etc. Thanks for any help
[02:25] <Sh1ner> nevermind...found the docs. https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=35087


[12:23] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[21:44] <santa_> good night everybody
 Good afternoon.
[21:45] <santa_> RikMills: FYI I'm going to leave this night a couple of test rebuilds
[21:45] <santa_> I've already updated groomlake for groovy but not area51 yet
[21:46] <santa_> the reason is that I would like to have at least one final rebuild for focal
[21:46] <santa_> once that's done I would upgrade are51 stuff as well
[21:46] <santa_> * area51
[21:47] <santa_> Hi DarinMiller
 ack


[01:22] <Unit193> I was in there recently to help set it up, I believe.
[02:05] <enyc> Unit193: can't quite see context -- you helped set up ubuntu-hu message bot or channel or so?  or replying to somemthing before I (re-)joined this channel?


[10:27] <rmg51> Morning
[11:24] <cyberanger> morning rmg51
[11:24] <rmg51> o/
[13:07] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys and everything else
[14:33] <ChinnoDog> morning
[15:57] <ChinnoDog> licensing_nightmare--
[17:13] <MutantTurkey> eeek!
[17:13] <MutantTurkey> run run rin
[17:13] <MutantTurkey> run
[17:14]  * JonathanD relicenses ChinnoDog
[17:14] <MutantTurkey> "WLTDO LICENSE"
[17:14] <MutantTurkey> (who let the dogs out)
[17:16] <ChinnoDog> lol
[17:17] <ChinnoDog> That would make a good name for an open source license.
[17:47] <ChinnoDog> I finally figured out how to convert a server installed onto ext4 on LVM to btrfs. I have learned much.
[17:47] <ChinnoDog> I guess I should try to upgrade it now to see if it still boots afterwards
[21:05] <ChinnoDog> It does. That is pretty nifty
[21:13] <jthan> You breaking stuff?
[21:13] <ChinnoDog> Not this time. I made stuff work.
[21:13] <jthan> woo
[21:22] <calvin_> join #irc.freenode.net
[21:22] <calvin_> whoopz
[21:23] <TheLordOfTime> MutantTurkey: failcommand?
[21:23] <MutantTurkey> failturkey
[22:06] <MutantTurkey> hmmm xchat is ok
[22:17] <MutantTurkey> not sure i am sold
[22:18] <TheLordOfTime> hexchat > xchat
[22:18] <MutantTurkey> yeah?
[22:18] <TheLordOfTime> hexchat's got a PPA though, it's not in the repos yet.
[22:18] <MutantTurkey> repos? what is this ubuntu... nvm
[22:18] <MutantTurkey> Is it a fork?
[22:31] <TheLordOfTime> mhm
[22:31] <TheLordOfTime> http://hexchat.github.io/
[23:30] <ChinnoDog> Downloads are slower in Canada.


[16:34] <smoser> harlowja, awake?
[16:34] <smoser> https://code.launchpad.net/~shraddha-pandhe/cloud-init/debug-module/+merge/198119
[16:35] <smoser> i was thinking that running from cmdline would not output anything by default
[16:35] <smoser> but i'mrwrong. i didn't realize that 'default' for verbose was true
[18:28] <harlowja> ah, hmmm
[18:28] <harlowja> good catch, don't think it should be true by default
[18:29] <harlowja> let me get spandhe on here
[18:29]  * harlowja invokes spandhe, ha
[18:31] <spandhe> harlowja: yt?
[18:31] <harlowja> yo
[18:32] <harlowja> so smoser  i think saw a small change that i missed
[18:32] <harlowja> verbose is on by default in the cc_debug module?
[18:33] <smoser> harlowja, yeah, but thats ok, really.
[18:33] <harlowja> ?
[18:33] <smoser> thats ok. for it on by default.
[18:33] <smoser> well, since you didn't add it to run
[18:33] <harlowja> ah
[18:33] <harlowja> kk
[18:34] <harlowja> thats fair
[18:34] <smoser> so i'm ok with that. if the user wants to run it, then they have to add it to thei rlist of modules to run.
[18:34] <harlowja> right, makes sense
[18:34]  * harlowja still haven't had my cofeee
[18:34] <harlowja> lol
[18:34] <harlowja> brain not ready!
[18:34] <harlowja> ha
[18:34] <harlowja> ok, nm spandhe :-P
[18:35] <spandhe> spandhe: ok :)
[18:35] <harlowja> none of that talking to yourself stuff :-P
[18:35] <harlowja> haha
[18:38] <smoser> spandhe, i just pushed merged code to trunk. thanks again.
[18:38] <harlowja> woooot
[18:38] <harlowja> first commit!
[18:38] <harlowja> ya
[18:38] <smoser> i did fix a pylint and pep8 warning
[18:39] <smoser> and also one other  minor change (to turn 'True' on if the user gave an output)
[18:39] <harlowja> cool
[18:39] <harlowja> thx smoser  :)
[18:42] <spandhe> thanks smoser !
[18:43] <harlowja> spandhe for the pep8 pylint (which i also sometimes forget to run) `make pep8` and `make pylint` should help here
[18:44] <harlowja> `make yaml` is also good
[18:44] <harlowja> just fyi
[19:15] <smoser> harlowja, bah.
[19:15] <smoser> now i have to make 'make yaml' work
[19:15] <smoser> before when i didn't know about that i was happy.
[19:15] <harlowja> hmmm, crap, is it broken?
[19:15] <harlowja> ah
[19:16] <harlowja> seems so, lol
[19:16] <harlowja> doc/examples/cloud-config-datasources.txt  :-P
[19:16] <harlowja> who broke that, lol
[19:18] <harlowja> seems like a one line fix
[19:18] <harlowja> extra "}"
[19:18] <harlowja> ah, and a few others
[19:22] <smoser> i've got it fixed.
[19:22] <smoser> revno 899
[19:24] <harlowja> k
[19:24] <harlowja> u beat me
[19:24] <harlowja> durn it
[19:24] <harlowja> to fast, jeez
[19:29] <smoser> every once in a while, harlowja, you have to throw us dogs a bone
[19:29] <smoser> (ie, thanks for letting me win)
[19:29] <harlowja> :)


[03:59] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:00] <Bashing-om> wb lotuspsychje :)
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> hey Bashing-om
[04:02] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: All quiet on the Western front . Time for additional brain lubrication intake :)
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> yeah i took a double Bashing-om lol
[04:05] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: I am about brain dead now . coordination:  problem->brain->fingers is problematic :)
[04:06] <lotuspsychje> :p
[04:06] <lotuspsychje> crossed eyes= best solution
[04:07] <Bashing-om> or ONE eye closed - as the case may be :P
[04:08] <lotuspsychje> put your mycroft on, so irc can speak you into sleep :p
[04:10] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: NOoooo .. fighting falling asleep at the keyboard as is now .
[05:31] <lordievader> Good morning
[05:31] <daftykins> \o
[06:10] <ducasse> good morning
[06:10] <daftykins> heyup
[06:11] <ducasse> hiya daftykins - wide awake and ready to go?
[06:12] <daftykins> sure am
[06:12] <daftykins> itching for this place to open for a nice panino breakfast
[06:13] <ducasse> if i want breakfast i'll have to make it myself, i'm afraid
[06:13] <daftykins> d'aww
[10:07] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:49] <JimBuntu> g'morning BluesKaj
[11:50] <BluesKaj> 'Morning JimBuntu, how's it going this fine morning :-)  ?
[11:59] <JimBuntu> All is going well, so far. You?
[12:02] <BluesKaj> yes, I'm fine here thanks
[12:41] <EriC^^> maybe the !ops should be more of a 'silent alarm' and just spam #ubuntu-ops , just an idea
[12:42] <JimBuntu> RIp #ubuntu
[12:42] <EriC^^> ops asleep on duty
[12:43] <JimBuntu> Are the requirements strict to become an op in #ubuntu?
[12:44] <EriC^^> i think there's an irc counsel and they have to choose you etc
[12:45] <JimBuntu> ugh. I see so many volunteers helping on a daily basis, I would expect a few more of them to be ops. You EriC^^ , topyli, BluesKaj ... so many that could keep this in check.
[12:46] <JimBuntu> Ahaha, Pici took a look I see
[13:06] <BluesKaj> JimBuntu, well, I had to decline a few yrs ago ...being an op requires one's presence more than I could offer at the time
[13:06] <JimBuntu> BluesKaj, Ah, I wasn't sure how many strings were attached.
[13:07] <BluesKaj> not my cuppa tea anyway
[13:10] <BluesKaj> well, stuff to do...BBL
[13:10] <JimBuntu> be safe and have fun
[14:45] <EriC^^> there should be a 'get out of annoying support ticket card' oh right there is :D
[16:52] <matjam> so installing 18.04 on my work machine
[16:52] <matjam> and it has a 1050gt in it
[16:52] <matjam> and it just gives me a blinky cursor
[16:52] <matjam> I mean this isn't an exotic piece of hardware
[16:53] <matjam> I installed in UEFI mode
[16:53] <matjam> so just installed in legacy mode to see
[16:53] <matjam> oh look, it works
[17:17] <nacc> leftyfb: cf #ubuntu+1 for another reason WSL simply can't be supported in #ubuntu IMO
[17:17] <nacc> leftyfb: they don't have runlevels because they don't have an init
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[17:32] <DJones> Evening
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> hey DJones
[17:34] <DJones> Hpw do lotuspsychje
[17:34] <DJones> how
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> im fine DJones how is your day so far
[17:35] <DJones> ok'ish, could kill a few employee's, but fine apart from that
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> lol
[17:36] <lotuspsychje> i also want a job where i can irc DJones :p
[17:37] <lotuspsychje> i could kill a few ppl for it
[17:37] <DJones> I wish i could, although I can kick certain people out. That could well be a conversation point tomorrow
[18:09] <leftyfb> nacc: then don't support those types of questions, following up with exactly that reasoning?
[18:11] <nacc> leftyfb: so, you stand by "it's just an ubuntu cloud image" even though they don't support runlevels? and run their own init?
[18:11] <nacc> https://github.com/Microsoft/WSL/issues/1761#issuecomment-392578042
[18:12] <leftyfb> I guess not now. This is news to me
[18:12] <nacc> leftyfb: and i guess this was my point earlier; we would need to know the details of WSL in order to support WSL. And I'm not an expert in it and have no interesting being an expert in it :)
[18:12] <nacc> it's also strange that the upstream says "if you want a full featured init, WSL is not for you"
[18:13] <leftyfb> I was told at the very beginning that it was just the cloud image without the linux kernel.
[18:13] <nacc> which implies to me even more strongly that it's not Ubuntu or Linux
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> bbl guys tv time + ice cream
[19:45] <leftyfb> TJ-: lol, tricky you :)
[19:45] <TJ-> how so? :)
[19:46] <leftyfb> noticing his cross-post
[19:48] <TJ-> oh! he's famous for it
[19:48] <leftyfb> i'm sure
[20:12] <leftyfb> lol
 heh "how do I install kali to my hard disk and make it look pretty and use it as a daily driver for things other than pentesting so pentesting just kind of rubs off on me"
[20:13] <Bashing-om> will only happen with a *lot* of rubbing :P


[00:36] <KGB-2> xdg-desktop-portal-gnome pipeline Jeremy Bicha 468355 * pending (extract-source: pending; build: created; build i386: created; build source: created; test-build-any: created; test-build-all: created; test-crossbuild-arm64: created; reprotest: created; lintian: created; autopkgtest: created; blhc: created; piuparts: created)
[00:37] <KGB-0> xdg-desktop-portal-gnome pipeline Jeremy Bicha 468355 * running (extract-source: running; build: created; build i386: created; build source: created; test-build-any: created; test-build-all: created; test-crossbuild-arm64: created; reprotest: created; lintian: created; autopkgtest: created; blhc: created; piuparts: created)
[00:44] <KGB-2> xdg-desktop-portal-gnome pipeline Jeremy Bicha 468355 * [6 minutes and 40 seconds] success (extract-source: success; build: success; build i386: success; build source: success; test-build-any: success; test-build-all: success; test-crossbuild-arm64: failed; reprotest: success; lintian: success; autopkgtest: success; blhc: success; piuparts: success)
[00:48] <KGB-0> libadwaita pipeline Jeremy Bicha 468356 * pending (extract-source: pending; build: created; build i386: created; build source: created; test-build-any: created; test-build-all: created; test-crossbuild-arm64: created; reprotest: created; lintian: created; autopkgtest: created; blhc: created; piuparts: created)
[00:48] <KGB-0> libadwaita pipeline Jeremy Bicha 468356 * running (extract-source: running; build: created; build i386: created; build source: created; test-build-any: created; test-build-all: created; test-crossbuild-arm64: created; reprotest: created; lintian: created; autopkgtest: created; blhc: created; piuparts: created)
[00:51] <KGB-0> libadwaita pipeline Jeremy Bicha 468358 * running (extract-source: running; build: created; build i386: created; build source: created; test-build-any: created; test-build-all: created; test-crossbuild-arm64: created; reprotest: created; lintian: created; autopkgtest: created; blhc: created; piuparts: created)
[01:05] <KGB-2> libadwaita pipeline Jeremy Bicha 468356 * [15 minutes and 25 seconds] success (extract-source: success; build: success; build i386: success; build source: success; test-build-any: success; test-build-all: success; test-crossbuild-arm64: failed; reprotest: success; lintian: success; autopkgtest: success; blhc: success; piuparts: success)
[09:05] <juliank> jbicha: right but I kind of want vanilla to also have a vanilla gdm
[20:47] <KGB-2> balsa Jelmer Vernooĳ 361139 * commented merge request !2 * https://deb.li/PPRz
[21:47] <KGB-2> mutter upstream/latest b55dbe3 Jeremy Bicha * pushed 26 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/3fpdI
[21:47] <KGB-2> mutter upstream/latest ed57f96 Jonas Ådahl src/backends/native/meta-seat-impl.c * seat/impl: Wait for pointer constraining when updating viewports * https://deb.li/uo7E
[21:47] <KGB-2> mutter upstream/latest 9d06ea6 msizanoen1 src/wayland/ meta-wayland-pointer-gesture-hold.c meta-wayland-pointer-gesture-pinch.c meta-wayland-pointer-gesture-swipe.c * wayland/pointer-gestures: Fix crash in get_*_gesture after pointer is destroyed * https://deb.li/i4tVe
[21:47] <KGB-0> mutter pristine-tar a6ba4e2 Jeremy Bicha mutter_43.2.orig.tar.xz.delta mutter_43.2.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for mutter_43.2.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/apmF
[21:48] <KGB-2> mutter upstream/latest 74dd903 Jonas Ådahl clutter/clutter/ clutter-actor-private.h clutter-actor.c clutter-stage.c * clutter/actor: Stop transitions in children when removing * https://deb.li/WoP7
[21:48] <KGB-2> mutter upstream/latest 920555b Jonas Ådahl src/ backends/meta-backend-private.h backends/meta-backend.c core/meta-context.c * context: Add 'started' and 'prepare-shutdown' signals * https://deb.li/3Ftud
[21:48] <KGB-2> mutter upstream/latest 5847a46 Jonas Ådahl src/compositor/meta-plugin-manager.c * plugin-manager: Don't try to starte effect when shutting down * https://deb.li/kpsj


[00:31] <mmikowski> RikMills: That switcher for is for hybrid graphics?
[00:32] <mmikowski> ^ restated: Is the switcher your cherry-picked for hybrid graphics?
[02:22] <RikMills> mmikowski: https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/distributions/2023-August/001398.html
[04:17] <mmikowski> Thanks RikMills. Definitely this looks important for 24.04, but this doesn't appear to affect 22.04 with plasma 5.24, right? We don't recommend hybrid graphics for most situations for very good reasons.
[04:18] <mmikowski> https://kfocus.org/wf/igpu.html#bkm_using_nvidia_on
[04:21] <mmikowski> Even the use case where we suggest hybrid graphics isn't even necessary unless the user is running external monitors. Otherwise, one can run in Intel mode and still use the dGPU for ML.
[04:52] <RikMills> makes sense. just thought I should bring it to attention just in case
[05:51] <mmikowski> RikMills: absolutely. Thank you very much!
[10:06] <RikMills> santa_: you may have seen, but at least for this release I just renamed the merkuro tar to kalendar and manually did the source build
[10:06] <RikMills> seemed least hassle right now
[10:10] <santa_> what?
[10:13] <RikMills> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kalendar/23.07.90-0ubuntu1
[10:13] <santa_> seriously?
[10:14] <RikMills> because of the virtual package depends, PIM would not migrate unless that was uploaded
[10:15] <RikMills> we can still do the rename
[10:15] <RikMills> even this cycle with archive admins help
[10:15] <RikMills> but feature freeze was looming
[10:16] <santa_> well, I tought you were NOT going to upload the 23.08.x applications to mantic
[10:16] <santa_> I would have appreciated a warning before actually doing it
[10:17] <RikMills> I was 50/50
[10:17] <RikMills> santa_: yeah, sorry. my bad
[10:20] <RikMills> anyway, feature freeze is later today. if anyone has anything to go in or need doing before that, then please shout!
[10:20] <santa_> so now we have a kalendar package in the archive that doesn't provide kalendar, but merkuro with missing qml depends
[10:20] <RikMills> I will be about
[10:20] <RikMills> which qmls?
[10:21] <santa_> why don't you just check the *wip* merkuro package that I prepared?
[10:22] <RikMills> just doing that now
[10:22] <santa_> and which I didn't finish, because I had no idea you were going to upload the applications the very same day of feature freeze
[10:23] <santa_> if I knew last friday, I could have prepared things this weekend
[10:23] <santa_> but I didn't know
[10:23] <RikMills> appologies :(
[10:27] <RikMills> qml deps added
[10:29] <santa_> do we have future-sql?
[10:29] <RikMills> no
[10:30] <santa_> well, that's needed for a couple of applications, too bad I didn't know last friday, because I could have tried to have a look this weekend
[10:31] <santa_> today, I have to work for money, and I get this surprise "announcement"
[10:32] <santa_> so, yes, future-sql should go in, along with the apps that need it, but I won't be preparing any of this
[10:33] <RikMills> kontrast?
[10:33] <santa_> and seriously guys, you really need to stop this "sorry, already done" approach of doing things
[10:35] <santa_> do you realize I spent part of the weekend fixing the KA docs for readthedocs.io?
[10:35] <RikMills> looks like only kontrast, which I skipped
[10:35] <RikMills> I appreciate that
[10:35] <santa_> well, that thing could have waited if I new the applications were going to be uploaded
[10:36] <santa_> * knew
[10:38] <santa_> RikMills: kontrast and angelfish, like I told you in this very same channel
[23:49] <arraybolt3> Has anyone else who upgraded to 5.27.7 noticed that system sounds in general have stopped? Audio still works, but I don't get the "ba-de-doo!" when I go to delete a file in Dolphin, for instance.
[23:49] <arraybolt3> I can't remember whether the "bwop" when changing speaker volume still happens at least sometimes, but it definitely doesn't happen when playing YouTube music in Chrome in the background.
[23:50]  * arraybolt3 hopes my rather pathetic attempts at mimicing KDE system sounds over text is at least understandable


[04:43]  * bkerensa shakes fist at cloud instance that wont come back up
[05:31] <nathwill> omfg please shoot me
[05:32] <nathwill> get home after a 2 hour chat with a mortgage broker, and am rewarded with getting to review 2 ~400 line perl scripts :/
[05:36] <bkerensa> Laaaaawl
[05:36] <bkerensa> ;p
[05:36] <bkerensa> I had a one hour chat with a Glisan Burger Barn Cheese Burger and Home Made pickle
[05:36] <bkerensa> :D
[05:36] <bkerensa> and now rewarded with figuring out this mess of depends for Kitsune on Ubuntu
[05:37] <bkerensa> nathwill: how did things go?
[05:38] <nathwill> bkerensa, pretty good
[05:38] <nathwill> he seemed pleased, we're meeting the realtor next week and starting hunting :)
[05:38] <nathwill> nice to get some solid numbers handed to us and see that they're doable
[05:39] <nathwill> bkerensa, wtf is kitsune?
[05:41] <bkerensa> heh
[05:41] <bkerensa> Kitsune is SUMO
[05:41] <bkerensa> SUMO is Kitsune
[05:41] <bkerensa> and their documentation is horrible
[05:41] <bkerensa> the only attempt at Ubuntu/Debian Doc was done by a Arch user so its a mess too
[05:41] <bkerensa> ;p
[05:42] <bkerensa> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1179141/
[05:42] <bkerensa> =/
[05:42] <bkerensa> wtf
[05:45] <nathwill> rofl


[22:50] <maxb> hm. I think people are being a bit dishonest about the 10 builds/week thing. There is no way a daily builds PPA covering multiple series complies
[22:51] <maxb> (whoops, that was meant for #launchpad-dev)
[23:32] <ahayzen> Hi, I just got 'State: Failed to upload' on one of my recipes a few minutes ago is this anything to do with me or is it launchpad itself? Thanks in advance, Andy
[23:51] <StevenK> ahayzen: Link me the recipe?
[23:51] <ahayzen> StevenK, https://code.launchpad.net/~cappella-team/+recipe/cappella-daily
[23:53] <StevenK> ahayzen: The recipe machinery attempted to upload versions which already exist in the PPA.
[23:53] <ahayzen> StevenK, i didn't even tell it to do anything just spontaneously decided to rebuild? and there have been no changes in bzr.
[23:55] <StevenK> ahayzen: It shouldn't have done so, since you're right and the bzr revno hasn't changed.
[23:55] <ahayzen> is there a way of seeing what time the previous build was run?
[23:55] <StevenK> Oh, maybe you changed the series' it will build for?
[23:55] <ahayzen> ah
[23:56] <ahayzen> i added Saucy
[23:56] <StevenK> Right, which marks the recipe as needing a rebuild
[23:56] <ahayzen> but shouldn't it have either waited until there were changes or only rebuilt saucy?
[23:56] <StevenK> It isn't quite that clever, unfortunately
[23:57] <ahayzen> but then it thinks that 'cappella_1.0-0~bzr102~saucy1.tar.gz already exists in PPA' ?
[23:57] <ahayzen> would that one not pass
[23:58] <StevenK> That seems to have been uploaded on the 5th as well
[23:58] <ahayzen> strange
[23:59] <ahayzen> Saucy was built on the 5th with the previous one so it can't have been changing the series then


[00:24] <spiv> Hmm, I just got an OOPS when filing a bug.
[00:24] <spiv> OOPS-759EA12
[00:25] <kiko> spiv, known bug, use launchpad until edge is refreshed
[00:25] <spiv> kiko: ta
[00:26] <kiko> it's fixed already btw -- an issue with the attachments
[00:26] <spiv> Yeah, I saw the traceback.  It looked pretty shallow.
[00:27] <spiv> (I'm a bit surprised it passed the test suite, but I assume that's already been investigated)
[00:27] <kiko> well, the issue is that testbrowser doesn't simulate a browser very well in this case
[00:27] <spiv> Ah.
[00:27] <kiko> it doesn't send the field for an empty field input; a regular browser sends an empty string (usually)
[00:28] <spiv> Heh, productino just gave me a timeout on the same report :P
[00:29] <spiv> (OOPS-759E73)
[00:29] <ubotu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/759E73
[00:29] <kiko> that's another problem
[00:29] <kiko> reload!
[00:29] <spiv> I already did, do you want another OOPS code? :P
[00:31] <spiv> Fourth reload appears to be the charm.
[00:31] <spiv> Next time I'll probably just use email...
[00:31] <kiko> it's a problem we have to fix for this cycle
[00:31] <kiko> anyway
[00:32] <spiv> kiko-zzz: g'night
[00:43] <Legendario> had the following error when uploading a package to my PPA and can't find out why: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53923/
[00:45] <Legendario> can anyone help me out? No one on the #ubuntu-motu could
[00:45] <Legendario> before you guys ask me, that's the .dsc file: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53924/
[00:51] <cprov> Legendario: does your orig matches the one in ubuntu PRIMARY archive, https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/musictracker/0.4.1-1 ?
[00:54] <cprov> Legendario: also, you should use a version higher than the one published in ubuntu archive if you want the package to be easily installable.
[00:58] <LaserJock> cprov: his package isn't in Ubuntu
[00:59] <cprov> LaserJock: I know but PPA reuses origs from the primary archive.
[00:59] <LaserJock> right, that's what I'm saying
[01:00] <LaserJock> the orig isn't in Ubuntu
[01:00] <LaserJock> so it shouldn't be an issue, right?
[01:02] <LaserJock> oohhh, wait a sec
[01:02] <LaserJock> it is in Ubuntu
[01:02] <Legendario> sorry, but i am not understanding it...
[01:03] <cprov> LaserJock: yes, it is in ubuntu
[01:03] <LaserJock> it didn't show up in my search initially
[01:03] <LaserJock> that changes everything
[01:04] <cprov> Legendario: you have to use the same orig.tar.gz available in ubuntu for musictracker or bump the version of your (but AFAICS it's the same upstream)
[01:04] <cprov> LaserJock: yup
[01:04] <LaserJock> cprov: that's why #ubuntu-motu couldn't figure it out ;-)
[01:04] <Legendario> the ppa rejects source files which are different from the one that can be on the launchpad. Is it right?
[01:05] <LaserJock> Legendario: the PPA uses the .orig.tar.gz from Ubuntu if it exists
[01:05] <cprov> Legendario: different contents for the same filename ...
[01:05] <LaserJock> and it has to have the same Md5sum as your .orig.tar.gz
[01:06] <cprov> Legendario: it's a feature, in fact, it allows you to save bandwidth and do not include the orig in you upload.
[01:06] <LaserJock> Legendario: so just make sure to get the .orig.tar.gz from Launchpad when you're working on your package
[01:08] <Legendario> LaserJock, if there is one on Launchpad, right?
[01:08] <LaserJock> yep
[01:09] <LaserJock> that's why I asked you 1.5 hrs ago if the package was already in Ubuntu :-)
[01:10] <Legendario> LaserJock, the problem is that i often make a search on the launchpad home and just can't find something which is already there
[01:10] <LaserJock> well, don't use the launchpad home search, that's your first problem :-)
[01:11] <Legendario> what should i use?
[01:11] <LaserJock> when you are looking for a package use https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[01:11] <Legendario> isn't it supposed to be shown on the search?
[01:11] <LaserJock> not on the home page
[01:12] <LaserJock> that's a search of projects, which is utterly confusing
[01:18] <Legendario> ok. thanks
[01:23] <Legendario> LaserJock, do i have to go through all the packaging process againg?
[01:24] <Legendario> cprov, can u answer me this, please?
[01:24] <cprov> Legendario: yes, the .diff, the DSC and .changes will be different
[01:25] <cprov> Legendario:  just replace the orig you had with the one you've downloaded from LP and run 'debuild -S' on you old unpackaged directory
[01:26] <cprov> Legendario: yes, you don't need to upload the orig again (the the lack of '-sa' in the debuild line)
[01:26] <Legendario> cprov, ok. that's easier than editing all the files on the /debian folder again...
[01:28] <cprov> Legendario: yes, easier is good :) don't forget to tweak you version a bit otherwise apt won't be able to install it w/o modifying the repository priorities.
[01:29] <cprov> Legendario: call it 0.4.1-2~ppa1 (higher than ubuntu version but lower than the next candidate)
[01:33] <Legendario> the version on launchpad is on the hardy universe, is it right?
[01:36] <Legendario> cprov
[01:37] <cprov> Legendario: yes, check https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/musictracker/0.4.1-1
[01:37] <cprov> Legendario: but your PPA version will be overridden to 'main' component
[01:39] <Legendario> cprov, i didn't understand. sorry. My version is the same 0.4.1, so how do i change the name of it?
[01:40] <cprov> Legendario: you mean "change the version number" (the name word is confusing in this context)
[01:41] <cprov> Legendario: change the entry in debian/changelog to the version you want. `dch` is your friend.
[01:43] <Legendario> cprov, yes. the version number
[02:09] <Legendario> cprov, could u try to explaim me better why is changing the version number necessary?
[02:12] <cprov> Legendario: because if you have 2 packages with the same name & version apt wouldn't know which one to install
[02:20] <Legendario> cprov, ok, thanks
[02:20] <cprov> Legendario: np
[04:03] <ubotu> New bug: #186900 in rosetta "timeouts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186900
[06:40]  * jtv is off to lunch
[08:14] <Aloha> i can't run debuild -S because it complains about binary files being changed. how do i remedy this?
[08:16] <RAOF> Don't modify binary files?
[08:19] <Aloha> RAOF, um anyway to _fix_ it? ;)
[08:19] <RAOF> Well, what is modifying the binary files?
[08:19] <RAOF> What files are being modified?
[08:20] <RAOF> It's often a good fallback to just unpack the upstream tarball over the top of your source package.
[08:21] <Odd_Bloke> IIUC from #bzr, Aloha is the upstream.
[08:21] <Aloha> yeah
[08:21] <RAOF> Ooooooh, upstream bzr dev?  Awesome :)
[08:22] <Odd_Bloke> Not for bzr, for whatever it is that he's packaging.
[08:22] <Odd_Bloke> Again, IIUC. :p
[08:22] <Aloha> whats IIUC?
[08:23] <RAOF> So, the problem is: a package is basically the original tarball + a patch to that (which contains the debian directory).  When constructing that patch, dpkg-buildpackage will fail if there's a binary file in your source package tree that is different to the one found in the original tarball.
[08:23] <Aloha> yeah
[08:24] <Aloha> im wondering where to go from there
[08:24] <RAOF> Well, what binaries are in the upstream tarball?
[08:24] <RAOF> (This is a trick question ;))
[08:25] <RAOF> And why have you changed them?
[08:25] <Aloha> because i am editing the code
[08:26] <Odd_Bloke> Aloha: If I Understand Correctly
[08:26] <Aloha> binaries are graphic files used in the program
[08:26] <RAOF> Aloha: Aaah, right.
[08:26] <RAOF> So, you probably want to uuencode the images.
[08:26] <Aloha> why? i have a dh_install that moves them to /usr/share/pixmaps
[08:26] <RAOF> Which will convert them to text.
[08:27] <RAOF> Aloha: Because you can't add or change binary files in the packaging? :)
[08:27] <Aloha> oh
[08:27] <Aloha> why not?
[08:27] <RAOF> Because dpkg cannot represent binary diffs.
[08:27] <Aloha> gotcha. that makes sense
[08:28] <RAOF> And all the things you change/add in the tarball are stored in a gzipped diff.
[08:28] <Aloha> it also complains about .bzr directory cause i started controlling with bzr after i created first package
[08:29] <Aloha> maybe i shouldjust tarball my current directory and dh_make that
[08:29] <RAOF> Aloha: What sort of project is it?
[08:29] <RAOF> As you're upstream, you should be aware that people will expect certain things from release tarballs.  Such as not having .bzr directories in them :)
[08:30] <Aloha> RAOF, simple ruby/gtk program
[08:30] <RAOF> So your build system is pretty simple.  Do you have any build system at all?
[08:30] <Aloha> RAOF, ok can i automate that or just remove .bzr from source release?
[08:31] <Aloha> RAOF, nope i just use dh_install for images and one shell script and a .desktop file
[08:31] <RAOF> Just remove .bzr from your source release.
[08:32] <mpt> Goooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[08:32] <Aloha> RAOF, so i guess re tarballing and running dh_make on it is best bet yeah?
[08:33] <RAOF> Yeah. Or just copying your existing debian directory.
[08:33] <Aloha> mpt, its only 10:30pm here ;)
[08:33] <Aloha> RAOF, oh into existing tarball? didn't even think of that heh
[08:34] <RAOF> That shouldn't be in your release tarball - unless this package will only ever be useful for Ubuntu, you shouldn't make it unnecessarily difficult for other distributions to use your code :)
[08:34] <mtaylor> Aloha: the bzr-builddeb I was discussing earlier will make you tarballs withouth .bzr dirs and stuff
[08:35] <Aloha> RAOF, im not trying to make a release tarball im just trying to use debuild -S to generate .changes file so i can upload to PPA
[08:35] <Aloha> mtaylor, cool thnx
[08:37] <mpt> Aloha, Samoa? Tuvalu?
[08:37] <Aloha> mpt, you mean my location?
[08:37] <Aloha> mpt, well... the name will give you a hint ;)
[08:40] <Aloha> RAOF, cool i just added files to original tarball and it worked. thnx
[08:42] <Aloha> ppa said it might reject it due to it tryng to upload new original tarball.. i guess i'll wait and see
[08:45] <mpt> Aloha, ah, aloha ahiahi
[08:46]  * Aloha likes ahi poke
[08:49] <Aloha> dang
[08:50] <Aloha> it rejected it
[08:54] <Aloha> should i have a seperate build and packaging directory?
[08:57] <Aloha> mrevell, hihi :)
[08:57] <mrevell> Aloha: Aloha!
[08:58] <Hobbsee> mrevell!
[08:58] <mrevell> Hobbsee: Howdy
[09:11] <Aloha> how i do upgrade my code from 0.1 to 0.2?
[09:12] <Aloha> i renamed the directory, created a new tarball and edited the changelog. is that the right way to do it?
[11:34] <Hobbsee> mpt: yes, there is a bug.
[11:41] <mpt> Hobbsee, what?
[11:42] <Hobbsee> mpt: you asked me a couple of days ago if there was a bug for the lack of a queue UI for ppa.
[11:42] <Hobbsee> the answer is yes, there is
[11:42] <mpt> ok
[11:43] <mpt> well, obviously, I know it's a bug, I think I aasked whether it was reported :-)
[11:43] <Hobbsee> mpt: that's what i was answering.  yes there is :)
[11:46] <Hobbsee> mpt: (https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/155758)
[11:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 155758 in soyuz "Global PPA +builds would be useful" [Medium,Confirmed]  - Assigned to Julian Edwards (julian-edwards)
[11:52] <mpt> thanks
[12:00] <ubotu> New bug: #187013 in malone ""You have been subscribed to this bug" is misleading if you subscribed yourself" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187013
[12:21] <ubotu> New bug: #187018 in launchpad "html links to older source files are pointing to nowhere" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187018
[12:41] <Hobbsee> dupe
[12:41] <Hobbsee> i thought they fixed that.
[12:41] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: what's the master bug # for that?
[12:43] <kiko> one of my favorite bugs is making that stop 404ing
[12:43] <Hobbsee> doko: there is no current solutions to that
[12:43] <Hobbsee> kiko: oh?
[12:43] <Hobbsee> s/solutions/solution/
[12:44] <kiko> yeah, it's a bug that the page is 404ed
[12:45] <ubotu> New bug: #187028 in launchpad "The count by launchpad page id should display 0 instead of None and the section moved below the initial stats" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187028
[12:46] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, doko: You can find old sources through the queue.
[12:46]  * Fujitsu digs up the bug number.
[12:46] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: you can?
[12:47] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: I've done it, so I presume so.
[12:47] <Hobbsee> nice
[12:47] <Fujitsu> Bug #179028
[12:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 179028 in soyuz "+files doesn't work for removed SPRs" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179028 - Assigned to Celso Providelo (cprov)
[12:56] <ubotu> New bug: #187031 in malone "Adding an attachment when filing a bug should only send out one email notification" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187031
[13:01] <ubotu> New bug: #187033 in launchpad "Use color codes for oops reports" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187033
[13:20] <ubotu> New bug: #187036 in launchpad "Oops reports should aim to report in the first few lines of the report the most interesting information" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187036
[16:15] <ubotu> New bug: #187093 in launchpad "Unable to unsubscribe a user from an "Answer"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187093
[17:01] <alex-weej> is bug dependency on the todo list for launchpad or is it intentionally omitted?
[17:14] <kiko> alex-weej, it's kinda intentionally omitted, but we'd like to be able to indicate 'related bugs"
[17:17] <alex-weej> hm
[17:17] <alex-weej> the dependency system with blueprints is pretty good
[17:17] <alex-weej> and it's a good way to track abstract higher level problems
[17:23] <kiko> and I think that's the right level of granularity for dependency
[17:23] <kiko> bugs, they are usually much finer-grained
[18:18] <lbm> i am still not able to merge my accounts
[18:18] <lbm> OOPS-759D2129
[18:18] <ubotu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/759D2129
[18:19] <kiko> lbm, hmmmm. ping me in 5 minutes.
[18:19] <lbm> kiko, i will do that, thanks
[18:19] <kiko> when's the first you tried lbm?
[18:20] <lbm> well, the merge token was mailed to me september last year
[18:20] <lbm> 25th
[18:21] <lbm> i've tried well, like 10 times since afair
[18:28] <kiko> lbm, wow, why didn't you say so before.
[18:29] <lbm> kiko, well i mentioned it inhere in september :)
[18:29] <lbm> but i forgot about it
[18:31] <matsubara> kiko: is it related to bug 162510?
[18:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 162510 in launchpad "Merging people times out updating POSubmission and POMsgSet" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162510
[18:32] <kiko> matsubara, in this case it's TranslationMessage
[18:32] <kiko> but yes.
[18:32] <kiko> similar
[18:32] <kiko> lbm, I'm going to run parts of the merge manually with mthaddon
[18:32] <kiko> lbm, when that sort of thing happens, please ask a question in answers.l.n
[18:33] <kiko> lbm, please retry. if it times out, give me the OOPS code again.
[18:33] <matsubara> kiko: there's no posubmission and pomsgset anymore
[18:33] <kiko> matsubara, touché! you mock me in front of my enemies!!!
[18:34] <lbm> kiko: i will do that
[18:34] <lbm> "The accounts have been merged successfully."
[18:34] <lbm> wuhu
[18:34] <kiko> lbm, rock on
[18:35] <kiko> thanks mthaddon, one more down!
[18:35] <lbm> so, is everything merged or do you still need to do some manually?
[18:35] <mthaddon> cool
[18:35] <kiko> lbm, it's all good
[18:36] <Laibsch> I am getted repeated rejects with "MD5 sum of uploaded file does not match existing file in archive. Files specified in DSC are broken or missing, skipping package unpack verification."
[18:36] <lbm> i'm curious, what happened?
[18:36] <Laibsch> I verified the md5sums and everything is OK
[18:36] <lbm> kiko, thanks
[18:36] <Laibsch> What is the likely problem?
[18:36] <kiko> lbm, it timed out because you're such a prolific translator. :)
[18:38] <lbm> kiko, oh, i guess that's a good thing :)
[20:29] <arnetheduck> thumper, hi...the svn import for dcplusplus has been running for more than a week now - is that still normal+
[20:38] <thumper> arnetheduck: it had failed with a connection error after days of running
[20:39] <thumper> arnetheduck: I've poked it again, sometimes this helps
[20:49] <arnetheduck> thumper, hm, sounds like that import tool could use some love then...for example to support partial imports (I guess it imports revision by revision to also get the history into bazaar)...
[20:50] <thumper> arnetheduck: yes it does need some love
[20:52] <arnetheduck> thumper, what is it written in / can it be downloaded? maybe I can to a quick patch...
[20:52] <thumper> arnetheduck: it is the cscvs project on Launchpad
[20:53] <kiko> arnetheduck, it does do partial imports, though
[20:54] <kiko> thumper, arnetheduck: it's actually https://edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-cscvs
[20:54] <thumper> yeah, the big hurdle is the initial import
[21:30] <arnetheduck> kiko, well, it doesn't seem to be working very well - maybe it fails on the first import if all of the import doesn't go well?
[21:32] <kiko> arnetheduck, right, that's exactly what happens.
[21:35] <arnetheduck> kiko, right, that maybe makes sense if you run the script manually, but in the launchpad case where the script is run on schedule, wouldn't it make more sense to either get a few revisions at a time or a single revision at a time until it fails?
[21:40] <arnetheduck> thumper, kiko, I though that script imported into bazaar whereas it seems to be made for cvs / arch?
[21:41] <kiko> arnetheduck, don't read the README. it's actually for bzr.
[21:41] <kiko> arnetheduck, as you see it needs some love.
[21:41] <thumper> arnetheduck: it was originally in the dawn of time
[21:42] <arnetheduck> so erm...why isn't something like bzr-svn used?
[21:43] <arnetheduck> or svn2bzr?
[21:44] <thumper> arnetheduck: histerical raisins, we are looking at other tools
[21:45] <thumper> arnetheduck: right now though we are looking at better infrastructure to report failures, and improve communcition and information dissemination to people interested in imports
[21:48] <kiko> arnetheduck, thumper: one of the problems with using svn2bzr is that it is not well-suited to continuous imports
[21:48] <kiko> and bzr-svn only support svn, not CVS which is one of our targets
[21:48] <kiko> migrating to a new system is also painful because the historical revision ids will be incompatible between systems
[21:58] <arnetheduck> kiko, thumper, ouch, that script is really hairy, particularily since 90% seems to be aimed at things not having to do with bzr imports...
[22:01]  * thumper ndos
[22:01]  * thumper nods
[22:02] <arnetheduck> thumper, can you give me the command line that is run on the initial import?
[22:03] <thumper> arnetheduck: I'll have to go and look at it
[22:03] <thumper> I don't know off the top of my head
[22:04] <arnetheduck> thumper, I have no intentions of doing any big things on that script but this way maybe I can find a quick fix for the initial import issue at least...
[22:23] <arnetheduck> thumper, gotta go, I'll be back later - if you happen to find that command line you're welcome to send it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:25] <CarlFK> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+search?text=clearsilver  lots of dups? ?
[22:25] <ubotu> New bug: #187170 in launchpad "Message.owner is nullable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187170
[22:45] <don_> hi, somebody here?
[22:46] <don_> i have a question: is it possible to make a search/replace on a whole package translation? turns out there's one unappropriate word i repeatedly chose...
[22:54] <Rinchen> don_, the easiest way I know of is to export the package, fix it, and then import it back in
[22:54] <don_> ah ok. i'll take a look at that (it's the dpgk, long one ) :)
[22:54] <don_> thanks though!
[22:55] <don_> btw: mi ĵus sendis retpoŝton al vi!
[22:59] <Rinchen> don_, kaj mi ankxau vi!
[22:59] <Rinchen> er
[22:59] <Rinchen> al vi
[23:00] <Rinchen> I am sooo out of practice.
[23:00] <don_> =) well, luckiliy it's easy to pick up :)
[23:05] <don_> jam respondis
[23:05] <don_> (mi)


[00:52] <Riddell> enough testing for one day
[00:52] <Riddell> more tomorrow
[02:48]  * ScottK is gonna do some testing.  The existing KNE install on the netbook is about to die.
[02:48] <ScottK> (reinstall will also be ext3 for the final one because some of the file corruption reports have scared me off ext4.)
[02:53] <dtchen> yeah, I'm currently grabbing the Kubuntu alt amd64 for maco, whose / (ext4) died
[02:54] <dtchen> interestingly enough, my online ext3 -> ext4 has been rock-solid
[04:10] <shtylman> 1 day!!!!!!!!!! woooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!
[04:11] <rgreening> yay
[04:12]  * ScottK is doing the last ISO test for Kubuntu Netbook.
[04:12] <rgreening> schweet
[04:12]  * rgreening is nursing a thrown out back
[04:13] <ScottK> Please don't ever use the words rgreening and nursing in the same sentence again.  Ever!
[04:13]  * rgreening has sore nipps
[04:14] <rgreening> :)
[04:14] <shtylman> haha
[04:14] <dtchen> not even with hot karaoke action?
[04:14] <rgreening> lol
[04:14] <rgreening> only a couple of more weeks to karoke redux
[04:14] <rgreening> :)
[04:14] <rgreening> this time more booze is required
[04:19] <ScottK> For us.
[04:59] <rgreening> lol
[05:15] <maco> y'all have fun with that karaoke
[05:19] <maco> i was so confused when i logged in. "a stacking window manager! what is going on?! oh..right...kwin...need to install xmonad"
[08:17] <Mamarok> Riddell: check markey's dent of a few minutes ago:
[08:17] <Mamarok> "Why on earth do some distros limit the maximum number of open files to 1024 by default? You can't even build Qt from source with that."
[08:18] <markey> yep
[08:18] <markey> Fedora does it, and Kubuntu too
[08:18] <Mamarok> "Additionally, this will make random programs behave strangely and crash. We've got an Amarok bug report purely caused by this limit."
[08:18] <markey> resulted in this bug report for amarok:
[08:18] <markey> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=211026
[08:18] <markey> I find that pretty serious
[08:18] <markey> and unnecessary too
[08:18] <Tm_T> Mamarok: I build Qt just fine, but I do have -j1
[08:19] <markey> why not 10,000 maximum by default?
[08:19] <markey> modern computers often need more than 1024
[08:19] <Mamarok> Tm_T: which makes it even worse, so you can't use the full capacity of your computer
[08:19] <Mamarok> we are not in the 80ies anymore :)
[08:20] <Tm_T> Mamarok: well, build time with -j1 and -j2 isn't different enough here to be bothered
[08:20] <markey> so anyway, there are other situations where this can happen to you too
[08:20] <_StefanS_> morning
[08:21] <Tm_T> markey: I know, just saying (:
[08:21] <Tm_T> I agree that kind of limit seems weird, what's the purpose?
[08:21] <markey> I've no idea
[08:22] <markey> my guess: security or performance concerns
[08:22] <markey> both are bogus
[08:22] <Tm_T> or "noone need more than that"
[08:22] <markey> or that...
[08:22] <markey> who knows when this limit was created, maybe 5 years ago
[08:22] <Tm_T> "if you do, don't do that"
[08:22] <Tm_T> markey: how about back in early 90's
[08:24] <Tm_T> sounds more like it to me
[08:33] <Mamarok> markey: is this limitation in Debian, too?
[08:35] <Tm_T> where is this limitation anyway?
[08:36] <markey> Mamarok: don't know
[08:37] <markey> Tm_T: in /etc/security/limits.conf
[08:38] <markey> I've changed mine to:
[08:38] <markey> *                soft     nofile          16384
[08:38] <markey> *                hard     nofile          16384
[08:38] <markey> works nicely
[08:42] <Mamarok> markey: I will file a bug on launchpad about that, then
[08:50] <Tm_T> markey: thanks
[08:52] <Tm_T> markey: hmm, where it's defaults come? I don't have that kind of lines here
[08:52] <Tm_T> markey: only commented examples
[08:53] <Mamarok> holy crap, how do I report a bug on launchpad? I go to bugs.launchpad.net, and there is nowhere a possibility to file a bug, wtf?
[08:54] <Tm_T> if the default value is hardcoded in some sources, and there's no patch related to it, upstream?
[08:55] <Mamarok> Riddell: how on earth do I file a bug on launchpad? There is not even an option for it on bugs.launchpad.net, no button to report a new bug, nowhere
[08:55] <Mamarok> (I am using edge btw)
[08:57] <jussi01> Mamarok: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[08:57] <jussi01> then click the report a bug on the right.
[08:57] <maco> didnt they get rid of the "report a bug" button?
[08:57] <jussi01> Mamarok: but using ubuntu-bug <package> is much easier
[08:57] <maco> on the basis that you ought to use ubuntu-bug?
[08:57] <jussi01> maco: still there on mine..
[08:58] <markey> Tm_T: dunno, I had to google that too
[08:58] <markey> forgot the details
[08:58] <Mamarok> jussi01: this is silly, why on earth is there no button to file a bug on that page? seriously
[08:59] <markey> aha, Ramon Cahenzli just dented this:
[08:59] <jussi01> Mamarok: no idea
[08:59] <markey> "I agree, we've had completely weird and obscure MySQL problems because of 1024 file limit. Now it's set to 2 million."
[08:59] <Mamarok> jussi01: that link you gave me, if you click on "Report a bug, you are redirected to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[08:59] <markey> so this issue is pretty common
[09:00] <jussi01> Mamarok: o.O
[09:00] <jussi01> thats stupid
[09:00] <Mamarok> yeah, totally, that makes launchpad useless if one can't even file a bug
[09:01]  * jussi01 doesnt get it.
[09:01] <jussi01> WHo made the decision?
[09:01] <jussi01> and why ?
[09:01] <jussi01> o.O
[09:01] <maco> bugsquad or qa or something
[09:01] <maco> to get better quality bug reports
[09:02] <jussi01> How do I then file a bug in launchpad? or the community?
[09:02] <davmor2> jussi01: they didn't get rid of the button because new users wouldn't know how to file.
[09:02] <davmor2> jussi01: read the page it links to it tells you
[09:02] <Mamarok> maco: well, tell me how on earth I am supposed to use Launchpad then if all I get are redirects to help pages? Tah is what I call a broken tool
[09:02] <Mamarok> that*
[09:02] <markey> you only imagine bugs. they don't exist :)
[09:02] <maco> you can tell it not to redirect you...
[09:03] <maco> they only redirect on /ubuntu/...
[09:03] <maco> anything else it works
[09:03] <jussi01> Mamarok:
[09:03] <jussi01> If for some reason you cannot file a bug through the Apport tool you can file one via Launchpad. When doing so please ensure that you have determined which package it should be filed against. Read 'finding the right package' for guidance or use Launchpad's package search feature. To file a bug against a specific package use a url similar to the following, http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/PACKAGENAME/+filebug?no-redirect, where
[09:03] <jussi01>  PACKAGENAME is the name of the source package about which you want to file the bug. In the event that you want to request a piece of software be packaged for Ubuntu please follow the instructions in the wiki. To report a bug when you don't know the package name https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug/?no-redirect
[09:03] <Mamarok> davmor2: well, can you give me a direct link for opening a bug report? It is a bad security bug for all Ubuntu related systems
[09:03] <davmor2> Mamarok: ^
[09:04] <jussi01> but still, the fact that its not discoverable is not user friendly at all. why doesnt it just warn, say you should be ussing apport?
[09:04] <davmor2> Mamarok: can you not use ubuntu-bug?
[09:04] <davmor2> jussi01: because we need to get new users away from doing it the bad way
[09:05] <davmor2> jussi01: you may give good bug reports with all relevant info etc however joe public give this doesn't work fix it
[09:05] <maco> grr i cnat find the how-to-redirect in my email
[09:06] <Mamarok> davmor2: well, I never did, always used Launchpad, and hell I know how to file a good bug report, no need to hold hands, here, I am not a noob, somebody should tell Launchpad that this is a serious problem if not even edge testers can file reports without silly redirects
[09:06] <maco> davmor2: (hypothetical) if my system crashes and cant get online, and i want to report this from my windows machine...
[09:06] <Mamarok> davmor2: not against you, just that limitation drives me mad
[09:06] <jussi01> davmor2: so, you think its better to have a bug reporting website with no (finadable) bug reporting ability?
[09:07] <Mamarok> brillaint, now I got a oops
[09:12] <davmor2> Mamarok, jussi01, maco: Right first off I agree with you guys, however you are all technical people with an understanding of the system.  The idea initial was to stop all manual report but it was argued then that, that would be a bad thing.  It was also a need to promote apport/ubuntu-bug as a way to report bugs.  The apport hooks pulling in log files etc that the devs need to fix the issue at hand.   Personally I
[09:12] <davmor2> I did like someone's idea of making it karma based
[09:13] <Mamarok> davmor2: well, since I am a beta tester and a member of a bug suqad I should be allowed to file bugs without silly restrictions
[09:13] <Mamarok> and I disabled aport because it simply runs wild on Kubuntu for non-crashes and distracts me from working
[09:13] <davmor2> Mamarok: you still can just add a bookmark with the ?no-redirect
[09:14] <Mamarok> also, it's hardly filing useful reports, from what I have experienced so far, most of the time it ends in a no-report.
[09:14] <Mamarok> davmor2: well, now that I know of I sure will, but this is stupid nontheless, there are quite a lot of non-noobs who seem to not know that, see the discussion we just had
[09:14] <davmor2> Mamarok: again take it up with the powers that be I have no control over it :(
[09:15] <Mamarok> and seriously, aport is useless for KDE
[09:19] <Mamarok> so, whom do I subscribe for that report? I found at least 20 reports all linked to that apparently
[09:19] <Mamarok> and I actually didn't file a new one, but added my comment to one of the existing ones
[09:21] <Mamarok> hm, subscribing Riddell might be a good idea, he can send that further up, is Sebastien Bacher still the default Gnome guy?
[09:21] <jussi01> apport on kde is a night mare... 20,000 little windows...
[09:22] <Mamarok> guess why I disabled it, its totally useless
[09:41] <neversfelde> agateau: I do not know what and when, but something seem to have fixed the problem with no wireless connection after suspend. I cannot reproduce this problem at the moment.
[09:42] <agateau> neversfelde: let's hope it last for 6 months :)
[09:42] <neversfelde> hehe
[10:29] <Sput> Mamarok: funnily enough, Gentoo has that limit too (seems to be the default?), and we can compile Qt and anything else without problems O_o
[10:30] <Sput> I've never seen "too many open files"
[10:37] <markey> Sput: just a matter of luck
[10:38] <markey> obviously it can happen in a lot of situations
[10:38] <markey> depending on your use case
[10:38] <Sput> markey: yeah... but nevertheless strange, after all we're constantly compiling stuffs
[10:39] <markey> e.g. if you do a mass copy with KIO, some functions currently don't queue it correctly
[10:39] <markey> so you can easily end up with 500 files at the same time
[10:39] <markey> just for that operation
[10:39] <markey> plus MySQL, strigi, etc pp
[10:40] <neversfelde> Mamarok: I agree, it should really be possible to file a bug report in an easy way
[11:53] <ewoerner> hi, is there a ppa for qt 4.6 already?
[11:55] <delight> I have a little prob with the battery-plasmoid on my laptop not beeing able to adjust the brightness of the screen since karmic ... on jaunty with kde 4.3.2 it was working good ... what package is this plasmoid in ? I would like to fill a bug about it
[11:55] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: I sent a message to kgmailnotier author. The result is that Kgmailnotifier is not affect by changes in Gmail, it uses a completly different approach, it checks new email by downloading an atom file for the account. The only problem is not works if kwallet is disabled.
[11:56] <sebas> delight: can you try with solid-powermanagement and see if that works?
[11:56] <sebas> delight: I'm the developer of that plasmoid
[11:56] <Lex79> ewoerner: not for now :)
[11:57] <sebas> delight: solid-powermanagement brightness set 50
[11:57] <sebas> for example
[11:59] <Riddell> ewoerner: qt 4.6 tech preview is in ~kubuntu-ppa experimental but not yet beta
[12:00] <delight> hello sebas: i know you are the developer ... good to see you here ... saw you in the ?ubunconf? 2008 ;) ... unfortunatly the command has no effect on my laptop Dell Latitude D830 since karmic
[12:01] <sebas> delight: then the applet is probably fine
[12:01] <delight> of course i can still adjust with the laptop function buttton
[12:01] <sebas> you'll want to look at DBus / kernel level
[12:02] <sebas> the layering is: plasmoid -> Solid -> HAL -> Kernel, top to bottom
[12:02] <Riddell> debfx: this might be your area ^^
[12:02] <sebas> delight: ah, didn't catch that nickname then
[12:02] <delight> sebas: i see ... so the problem is at a different place ... I got the gnome desktop additionaly on my laptop *which i don't use* ... i can try there to to make sure its some hardware/dbus/kernel problem
[12:02] <sebas> we probably need irc with photos or something
[12:02] <sebas> yes, trying gnome powermanager would make sense
[12:04] <delight> sebas: I'm not that often on IRC but I liked your talk about your vision of kde ... and I'm realy impressed on how it evoluated ... really the best desktop available to date and its getting even better ;)
[12:04] <sebas> glad it resonates :)
[12:10] <delight> just for the record it was ubucon 2007 in Krefeld but thats ok ;) ... I came across a nice article on the web the other day and i was impressed of the work the OpenSuse ppl invested into integrating firefox nicely ... even if its not for me no Suse fan ... I think thats something  that would be really great in the kubuntu distribution ... maybe for karmic+1 http://linuxcrunch.com/content/opensuse-112-perfect-kde-distribution
[12:10] <delight> point 8- KDE/Firefox integration
[12:38] <Riddell> delight: I think debfx had packages of that in his PPA
[12:39] <seaLne> since yesterdays updates kdm dosen't start on boot, i just get the first part of the kde startup splash (pic of disk) and it dosen't do anything after that (a manual restart of kdm fixes it but needed on each boot) i remember this occured a while back but was then fixed, can anyone remember what was causing it i can't seem to find the bug #
[13:05] <Riddell> seaLne: the image with the disk is ksplashx which should get killed when kdm starts, or you should be able to just click on it to make it go away?
[13:07] <seaLne> just updating another machine to see if it does it, and it doesn't hmm
[13:10] <JontheEchidna> anybody wanna take care of bug 460984?
[13:13] <seaLne> Riddell: hmm just rebooted the laptop that was having the problem and it booted fine this time, was around 7th oct that i had the problem before for a few days, weird
[13:13] <ScottK> Do we have the draft release notes up somewhere?
[13:32] <seele> ScottK: are you going to Fudruckers saturday for MD loco?
[13:33] <Riddell> ScottK: claydoh said he as working on the announcement last night but got called away and will start again this afternoon
[13:33] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  I got some stuff for agateau to add.
[13:34] <ScottK> seele: Not sure yet.  Elizabeth has ballet starting at 1 and Victoria (the 18 year old) is home from school with a fever today, so who knows what the weekend will bring.
[13:36] <seele> ScottK: kk let me know
[13:42] <agateau> ScottK: I already added some pics to the announcement
[13:43] <ScottK> agateau: Ah.   Good to know.  I want to make sure we get it right for the final.
[13:43] <agateau> ScottK: I would like to create a separate wiki page to explain how to configure indicator support in KDE apps,
[13:43] <ScottK> agateau: I think that's a good idea.
[13:43] <agateau> ScottK: any idea what the best place for this would be?
[13:44] <ScottK> agateau: No, I suck a wiki namespace.
[13:44] <agateau> ScottK: ok, I'm going to improvise then :)
[13:44] <ScottK> w.k.o/Kubuntu/KarmicConfigureIndicator maybe
[13:44] <ScottK> agateau: ^^
[13:48] <agateau> ScottK: sounds good, thanks
[13:56] <Riddell> ScottK: I'd like to rewrite the Netbook wiki page today to make it user focused if that makes sense
[13:56] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes.  Please.
[13:56] <Riddell> ScottK: and we should ponder about a Dot story too
[13:56] <ScottK> Riddell: Sounds reasonable.
[13:57] <ScottK> I had a minion that promised some docs on the wiki.  He seems to have vanished unfortunately.
[14:24] <mcas> hi
[14:24] <mcas> is anyone testing kubuntu desktop i386 entire disk?
[14:25] <mcas> ok i'll do it now
[14:27] <Riddell> mcas: yes please
[14:28] <mcas> thx
[14:31] <mcas> Riddell: should i start the live session and click install or can i use "installation" from the boot menu
[14:35] <Riddell> mcas: do a full live session if you can
[14:35] <Riddell> I'll do the install only option
[14:36] <mcas> k
[14:36] <mcas> i think i can do some more tests after this
[14:38] <agateau> ScottK: Riddell: Wiki page about Message Indicator: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KarmicKoala/ConfigureIndicators
[14:38] <agateau> If you want to proof-read
[14:38] <agateau> (was a bit too lazy to add screenshot for all apps...)
[14:57] <seele> agateau: do you know if there is any mechanism set up to gather feedback regarding notifications?
[14:58] <agateau> seele: not that I know of :/
[14:58] <ScottK> agateau: Do you have a moment for a gwenview question?
[14:58] <agateau> ScottK: about to enter the daily phone call :/
[14:58] <ScottK> OK.
[14:58] <agateau> ScottK: will ping you back
[14:58] <ScottK> agateau: Thanks.
[15:00]  * mcas takes kubuntu desktop i386 manual partitioning
[15:00] <Sput> agateau: do you have a status update for a libindicate-qt that doesn't depend on gtk?
[15:02] <agateau> Sput: no :/
[15:02] <Sput> k
[15:02] <ScottK> agateau: Maybe a good question for the phone call?
[15:02] <agateau> ScottK: i am afraid not
[15:02] <ScottK> Oh well.
[15:02] <agateau> but do ping dbarth or tedg about this
[15:04] <ScottK> davidbarth: Ping ^^^
[15:04] <ScottK> Done
[15:04] <ScottK> dpm: Quassel just switched (in git for their next release) from Qt ts files to gettext for translations.  Once Lucid is open and I've uploaded a quassel that provides po files, is there a way we can get them into Launchpad early so translators can get an early shot at it?
[15:05] <agateau> ScottK: he is in the same phone call as me atm :)
[15:05] <ScottK> Maybe he multi-tasks
[15:10] <seele> ScottK: just got confirmation from Justin about Fudruckers, but I think we'll be there closer to 1.. you should stop by after you drop Elizabeth off at ballet
[15:11] <ScottK> seele: OK.  We'll see how that goes.
[15:22] <markey> anyone know some guy called Chipzz?
[15:33] <markey> ok the guy is just a random idiot
[15:33] <markey> not an ubuntu developer, thank $god
[15:34] <Tm_T> markey: nownow...
[15:34] <markey> no worth my time
[15:34] <markey> not
[15:35] <markey> 1995 called, it wants its IdiotZZ back
[15:35] <markey> :)
[15:35] <Tm_T> markey: please, that's not helping
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: jockey is a KDE app, just not an official KDE app
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> it's been like that for the KDE apps we've made since the beginning
[15:50] <davidbarth> agateau: now, that we're finished with this call, do you have any hints about the bug?
[15:51] <agateau> davidbarth: the plasma bug you mentioned?
[15:51] <agateau> davidbarth: difficult to tell with that few information, I asked the reporter to add which application was closed
[15:59] <EagleScreen> update-notifier -d and -u are crashing with seg fault
[16:00] <EagleScreen> in jaunty
[16:00] <EagleScreen> sorry, update-notifier-kde -d and -u
[16:03] <EagleScreen> tomorrow 9.10 is released and update-notifier-kde in 9.04 is crashing
[16:24] <EagleScreen> why have you chnaged kaffeine by dragon in the last hour for karmic?
[16:28] <yuriy> last hour? wasn't that done a couple weeks ago?
[16:30] <ScottK> EagleScreen: It was done just around the beta time.
[16:30] <ScottK> Kaffeine is still in main and supported, just not installed by default.
[16:31] <EagleScreen> i am curious, why dragon in place of kaffeine?
[16:32] <debfx> really strange: when I boot with nomodeset, the brightness keys are handled just fine without powerdevil ...
[16:35] <Riddell> ScottK: do we want netbook edition linked from http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download in place of Kubuntu 8.04 ?
[16:35] <ScottK> Riddell: Sounds good to me.
[16:36] <JontheEchidna> EagleScreen: quality concerns, it's still in prereleases
[16:36] <JontheEchidna> dragon is known to be stable and do what it does well
[16:50] <smarter> JontheEchidna: Is it just me or does it still starts with a ridiculously small window from time to time?
[16:50] <JontheEchidna> I've not had that happen to me for a while
[16:51] <JontheEchidna> and I have been watching Doctor Who with it since Monday :x
[16:51]  * JontheEchidna can't wait for the November special
[16:52] <Riddell> there's a special in November?
[16:53] <JontheEchidna> yeah, "Waters of Mars"
[16:53] <Riddell> maybe I should have renewed my tv licence after all
[16:53] <davmor2> Riddell: surely that is what the t'interweb is for
[16:55] <Riddell> davmor2: ah I see you took notice of what I always said to you when you claimed that a cable tv connection is a necessity :)
[16:55] <Mamarok> Riddell: did you see that discussion in #u-devel about the open files limitation? we strongly suspect that being the problem of quite a few KDE apps crashes, and in Amarok
[16:55] <Mamarok> basically all apps that use a database can be affected by that
[17:15] <Riddell> ScottK: how's this? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Netbook
[17:16] <Mamarok> when is that exact release time tomorrow? I have the /topic for #kubuntu ready
[17:17] <Riddell> Mamarok: did briefly see the open files limitation discussion, it's not something I was even aware of existing
[17:18] <Riddell> Mamarok: they usually don't give a time to allow for any flexibility they might need, but it tends to be midday UTC
[17:18] <Mamarok> neither was I, it's markey who found out
[17:19] <Mamarok> ok, so I can push that /topic when it's time :)
[17:19] <Mamarok> and he has a fix for it, and since it's in the system I added that comment in one of the 20+ bugs that seem to be open for that problem
[17:20] <Mamarok> but apprently keybuk prefers to stay in the nineties :(
[17:21] <markey> Riddell: I think it would make sense to change the defaults for kubuntu, either to 4096 or 16384. this only requires adding two lines to /etc/security/limits.conf
[17:21] <markey> for the user however it's hard to change this
[17:21] <markey> most don't even know what has bitten them
[17:22] <Riddell> markey: it's not really something kubuntu can change without the rest of ubuntu doing it, we can try and convince them at UDS of course
[17:22] <markey> personally I don't care if gnomes crashes or not, they can set it to 16 for all I care
[17:22] <markey> "640kb should be enough for anybody"...
[17:23] <markey> otoh, gnome users also run kde applications, and thus it might affect us anyway
[17:23] <markey> so yes, changing it for all of ubuntu would be better
[17:23] <Riddell> markey: isn't keybuk's argument that this is only a soft limit and applications can ignore it if they want to?
[17:24] <markey> see, that's the same argument as Ted Tso had with Ext4: "Your apps are buggy. Rewrite them all."
[17:24] <markey> as it turned out, this attitude wasn't really so good
[17:24] <markey> Torvalds set him right
[17:24] <Mamarok> markey: and as soon as they use strigi or something similar they will run into problems
[17:25] <Mamarok> since there is a strigi frontend for Gnome
[17:26] <Mamarok> Riddell: the problem is that many apps run into that problem, not only Amarok, and its easier to fix in the system than rewrite many apps
[17:26] <markey> myself, I couldn't even build Qt without increasing the limit
[17:26] <Mamarok> even cron has the problem, so not even desktop related
[17:26] <markey> I think that's pretty good evidence that it's not adequate any more
[17:27] <ScottK> Riddell: Re: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Netbook - Yes.  Very nice.  Thanks.
[17:27] <Riddell> maco: ^^
[17:28] <maco> Riddell: thanks!
[17:29] <ScottK> maco: You did that?
[17:30] <Riddell> she requested it
[17:32] <ScottK> Ah.
[17:32] <ScottK> maco: Good idea.
[17:33] <maco> im writing a "hey! check out karmic! its cool!" blog post for geeksaresexy.net
[17:33] <maco> and kne only had a "here's the developer roadmap" page
[17:35] <markey> :)
[17:35] <markey> Karmic really is good
[17:35]  * markey enjoys it
[17:36] <Riddell> thanks markey :)
[17:36] <markey> oh btw, today I heard from a user that it crashed while upgrading from 9.04 to 9.10
[17:36] <markey> Mamarok also had a crash issue with the installer, iirc
[17:40] <Riddell> advice on that is always "send us the logs" /var/log/syslog , /var/log/dist-upgrade and /var/log/installer
[17:41] <dpm> ScottK, sorry for the delay in replying, I was busy with some other stuff and then had a call. Re: Quassel upload, if the package generates a pot file on build, it will be imported as soon as you upload it. Being the first time it is imported, we'll need to do a one time review. We'll see it on the imports queue and act on it, but just to make sure, simply ping me when you upload it and I can then have a look at it straight away
[17:41] <Mamarok> yep, Karmic is great, love it, very fast
[17:41] <ScottK> dpm: OK.  Thanks.
[17:41] <Mamarok> but I still have X server issues with my Radeon card, hope we soon get the latest Radeon drivers, those seem to be perfect now, 3D and all
[17:42] <Mamarok> the fglrx driver is suboptimal
[17:53] <Riddell> ScottK: http://gb.releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/karmic/ currently says we have a "Netbook live CD", which seems confusing since netbooks don't have CDs.  Does "Netbook live USB Image" seem less confusing?
[17:54] <ScottK> Riddell: It does.
[17:54] <ScottK> IIRC I asked slangasek about changing that and it was non-trivial, but I may misremember.
[17:54] <markey> I've heard the very latest Radeon drivers (from git) are excellent. apparently they solve all issues
[17:54] <markey> might be worth offering a PPA for that
[17:58] <JontheEchidna> hrm, new rekonq prerelease is looking pretty interesting
[18:01] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: and comes with a handy PPA :)
[18:01] <JontheEchidna> oh yeah, it does
[18:01]  * JontheEchidna terminates local build
[18:01] <jussi01> where?
[18:01]  * jussi01 wants...
[18:02] <JontheEchidna> ppa:f4l3/ppa
[18:02] <jussi01> huh?
[18:02] <JontheEchidna> add to software-properties-kde, will grab all the gpg infos
[18:02] <JontheEchidna> pretty sweet
[18:04] <Riddell> daily packages too
[18:04] <jussi01> nice
[18:05] <JontheEchidna> might be worth considering for 10.04 since it has KDE integration, and the same rendering capabilities as arora
[18:06] <Riddell> seems to be missing a menu bar
[18:07] <JontheEchidna> apparenlty it's intentional
[18:07] <Riddell> and not entirely daft, but probably screws over accessibility
[18:08] <JontheEchidna> whoa, sweet plasma-esque theming for the homepage
[18:08] <JontheEchidna> looks sorta like the empty-tab page for chrome
[18:08] <Mamarok> hm, we seem to run again into sound trouble because of pulseaudio, see #kubuntu
[18:09] <Riddell> I can't work out how to get back to that start page
[18:10] <jussi01> pulse is of the devil.
[18:10] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: opening a new tab should do it
[18:10] <Riddell> aah
[18:11] <Mamarok> jussi01: the problem is that is is not configured for use with KDE and screws up everything, and I really have better things to do than debug users who installed that stuff, unless they really pay me for, and even then, I would probably only do this when starving, which I am still very far away
[18:12] <JontheEchidna> rekonq's config dialog seems to be unecessaryily using a tree view, blegh
[18:13] <jussi01> Mamarok: I repeat, pulse is of the devil.
[18:15] <JontheEchidna> setFaceType(KPageDialog::Tree); <- eww
[18:15] <Mamarok> nah, it's just horribly bad code and badly configured if not configured at all and the dev is a self-conscious arrogant a******
[18:15] <Mamarok> I know, I met that chap in Gran Canaria, really not recommendable
[18:20] <Mamarok> I mean, if on every release we have the same problem again and again it is getting really annoying
[18:21] <JontheEchidna> it's not like we can stop gnome from using it, which is where the problems come from
[18:22] <davmor2> hey Mamarok did you make it :P
[18:22] <ScottK> I don't have it, but it's on the kid's computer due to some educational thing I installed.  I can't say there have been any problems.
[18:22] <Mamarok> davmor2: make it? you mean reporting that bug?
[18:23] <davmor2> no pulse :D
[18:24] <davmor2> Mamarok: just being sarky
[18:25] <Mamarok> davmor2: well, I avoid it like a bad disease or a smelly dog, indeed
[18:26] <davmor2> Mamarok: I find it's much better than it was.  But then I've never really had any major issues with it like some have
[18:27] <Mamarok> well, apparently it is still the same old badly configured stuff, see #kubuntu
[18:28] <Mamarok> I am sick of it, really, I have spent all the time when people started with Jaunty debugging broken sound because of that, it is a PITA, there I said that bad word
[18:29] <davmor2> Mamarok: no the bad word of the day is respin
[18:30] <JontheEchidna> aah, much better: http://imagebin.ca/view/rdEMSnjf.html
[18:30] <Mamarok> davmor2: Bespin you mean?
[18:31] <Mamarok> never ever mentoin that in the amarok channel they might as well kill you
[18:31] <Mamarok> mention*
[18:31] <davmor2> Mamarok: No respin the thing they do to the iso's I'm trying to test
[18:31] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: you just couldn't help coding could you?
[18:31] <JontheEchidna> :P
[18:35] <JontheEchidna> I'd wish they'd capitalize things too, sorta unprofessional looking with rekonq all lowercase
[18:36] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I presume the tiny URL bar is a bug
[18:36] <JontheEchidna> tiny url bar?
[18:37] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: using the daily one I have a url bar only a few cm long and lots of space on the right of the toolbar
[18:38] <JontheEchidna> I'm not seeing that bug. Maybe I'm lucky
[18:43] <markey> pulse is of the devil indeed. or more precise: of juicy-lipped poettering
[18:44] <markey> thank your canonical bosses for playing his game
[18:44] <JontheEchidna> If rekonq had adblock and awesomebar... <3
[18:45] <markey> Chromium Daily build rock, but I guess you've already tried them
[18:45] <JontheEchidna> ya, I like Chromium very much
[18:45] <markey> it's the first new browser that got me excited in about 10 years
[18:45] <markey> a breeze to use
[18:45] <JontheEchidna> if the fonts weren't so... GTK.. I'd be totally, totally in love
[18:46] <markey> yes, but the font issue is being fixed (partly fixed already)
[18:46] <markey> and GTK.. yeah, agreed
[18:46] <markey> too bad
[18:46] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I noticed a bit of improvement in the fonts recently
[18:46] <JontheEchidna> still a bit spindly and not as nice as my Qt font setup
[18:46] <rgreening> Riddell: any reason we do not enable google gadget support in kde workspace?
[18:47] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: google-gadgets fails MIR for not having a stable API :(
[18:47] <ScottK> rgreening: It's in Universe
[18:47] <Riddell> as they say
[18:48] <rgreening> hmm... oh, so the deps for it are in universe, which is why... ah. ok
[18:48] <rgreening> I was reading this.... http://maketecheasier.com/integrate-google-gadgets-with-plasma-in-kubuntu/2009/05/18
[18:48] <rgreening> ad was curious.
[18:48] <rgreening> s/ad/and
[18:48] <ScottK> It should just take a rebuild
[18:49] <rgreening> cause it was available since kde 4.2
[18:49] <rgreening> oh well...
[18:49] <Riddell> I briefly looked into making it a separate package but didn't manage
[18:49] <Riddell> it's probably do-able though
[18:49]  * Riddell hopes claydoh turns up soon
[18:49] <rgreening> Riddell: can you add for Lucid as a todo. someone will tackle it then
[18:49] <ScottK> Probably less imporant than Samba GUI/integration.
[18:50] <JontheEchidna> one could always use google gadgets apart from plasma
[18:50] <rgreening> the integration blows outside plasma
[18:50] <rgreening> :)
[18:50] <rgreening> hah
[18:50] <rgreening> (or so I hear)
[18:50]  * JontheEchidna has never tried
[18:56] <rgreening> google calander plasma applet crashes plasma here...
[18:56] <rgreening> anyone else can confimr?
[18:57] <JontheEchidna> just add it?
[18:58] <rgreening> yeah. just adding crashes it
[18:59] <JontheEchidna> works for me (tm)
[18:59] <rgreening> strange
[19:00] <JontheEchidna> does plasma-desktop go down hard, or does the applet itself just throw a python error?
[19:02] <rgreening> hard and wet
[19:02]  * rgreening thinks that was prob too much
[19:02] <rgreening> haha
[19:02] <Sime> does pulseaudio work yet?
[19:03] <JontheEchidna> strange, scripted applets shouldn't make plasma crash unless it's a libplasma bug or some other nastiness occurs
[19:03] <davmor2> rgreening: do you need to integrate google gadgets don't you have enough of your own to play with :P
[19:03] <ScottK> Crash is always a bug.
[19:04] <rgreening> its probably something messed up on my system
[19:04] <rgreening> I'll have to try on another
[19:06] <Sime> I can imagine that there are times when a crashed applet can crash plasma too.
[19:33] <markey> http://www.madcowchronicles.net/index.php/things-that-could-be-better-kubuntu-9-10/
[19:33] <markey> (warning, the article is not very good)
[19:33] <markey> just stumbled upon it with google alerts
[19:46] <Tm_T> markey: bah, bit too much hate for my taste, there's some points perhaps but, meh
[19:51] <markey> yep, it's not a great article
[19:51] <rgreening> he's a kde3 lover, and not wanting to change...
[19:51] <rgreening> thats all
[19:58]  * Sput doesn't get why people like deprecated software
[20:32] <Sime> Riddell: desktop upgrade last night was a bit rough; laptop upgrade went a lot smoother although the openchrome driver isn't work correctly(!)
[20:51] <Quintasan> oh hi
[20:54] <Riddell> Sime: what's openchrome?
[20:55] <Sime> Riddell: VIA chip gfx driver.
[20:55] <Riddell> oh, an obscure one
[20:55] <Riddell> Sime: what happened with upgrade last night?
[20:55] <Sime> Riddell: looked like a few network problems are first; then it work; then kdesudo crashed and froze the upgrader.
[20:56] <Sime> Riddell: I killed the upgrader and told dpkg to configure all.
[20:56] <Sime> Riddell: and then manually fixed grub.
[21:00] <Riddell> claydoh!
[21:00] <Riddell> how's the announce text going?
[21:00] <ScottK> claydoh: Got a link?
[21:00]  * ScottK wants to work on it.
[21:01] <claydoh> ScottK: actually using a pencil and paper as I was away from the 'net, just getting the page set up atm
[21:02] <ScottK> claydoh: How primative.  OK.  Ping me when ready please.
[21:02]  * claydoh hates working at work instead of the important stuffs :)
[21:18] <JontheEchidna> wow, lotta people in #kubuntu
[21:19] <Tm_T> is not!
[21:20] <JontheEchidna> http://jshaver.com/bin/kubuntu-910-review/
[21:20] <a|wen> oh yeah, the channel is swarming
[21:21] <JontheEchidna> nice photo guide
[21:22] <Mamarok> JontheEchidna: funny enough, a lot of people idle there and only start talking when somebody answers
[21:22] <Mamarok> then suddenly you have 3 or 4 who want you to help at the same time
[21:22] <JontheEchidna> heh
[21:23] <Mamarok> claydoh: hi :)
[21:23] <Mamarok> I have seen that your dear friend is back in the users ML...
[21:23] <Mamarok> actually, our dear friend
[21:23] <claydoh> Mamarok: hi i am finally popular after 43 years :)
[21:24] <claydoh> Mamarok: yes, one post i approved
[21:25] <claydoh> harmless, attempting to be helpful, but incorrectly
[21:25] <a|wen> anyone know why we have been rebuilding i386 iso's like madmen today?
[21:25] <claydoh> Mamarok: no one seems to have responded or noticed him publicly
[21:26] <Tm_T> claydoh: who?
[21:26] <dtchen> a|wen: last-minute ubiquity update
[21:26] <dtchen> a|wen: updates* rather
[21:26] <claydoh> Tm_T: steven vollum
[21:27] <Tm_T> claydoh: ah, erm
[21:27] <dtchen> (thank goodness for zsync!)
[21:27] <a|wen> dtchen: anything in particular to look for in that regard when testing?
[21:27]  * a|wen still waits impatiently for i386 desktop
[21:29] <dtchen> a|wen: well, ubiquity crashing or failing to complete; let me pull the bugs
[21:29] <dtchen> a|wen: #462462, #462692
[21:32] <a|wen> dtchen: thx ... so nothing in particular to keep an eye on as long as it finishes
[21:33] <dtchen> a|wen: well, those are the ones I know of; there may be more critical cases
[21:35] <a|wen> of course ... i'll keep my eyes open in general when testing
[21:56] <claydoh> ScottK: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KarmicKoala/Final/Kubuntu
[21:57] <claydoh> ScottK: I seem to have , um, deleted an image KNE_u_i_300x175.jpeg
[22:02] <Riddell> the first screenshot should be updated, that one still has the opensocial plasmoid and compositing is off
[22:02] <Riddell> an image of something social from the start would be nice
[22:03] <Riddell> the packagekit image is old too, it doesn't list the packages now
[22:04] <yuriy> wow really drilling home the technical preview bit huh
[22:04] <claydoh> Riddell: yeah, working on some of that
[22:05] <yuriy> "Written by our very own elite Kubuntu developers, OpenOffice 3.1.1 introduces KDE integration" makse it sound like we wrote OO.o
[22:08] <smarter> and it should be KDE4 integration, since previous versions had KDE3 integration
[22:27] <slacker_nl> lol @ topic
[22:29] <shtylman> ++ @ topic :)
[22:31] <ScottK> Well shtylman brings the average up.  Compensates for my participation.
[22:33] <shtylman> haha... we still love you ScottK ;p
[22:45] <shtylman> why is it so hard to get a wired network connection logo right?
[22:45] <dtchen> we're all barbies, duh
[22:47] <yuriy> shtylman: indeed. this one is at least a little better than the disconnected one that was there before
[22:48] <shtylman> true
[22:48] <shtylman> this one looks like a popsicle
[22:49] <shtylman> when the computer rebooted from the update ... I was like... oh...what is this new logo
[22:49] <shtylman> sadly dissapointed when I discovered it was the network logo
[23:04] <ScottK> Well it's still better than using the same icon as disconnected.
[23:05] <JontheEchidna> yay, bug 458398 got fixed
[23:31] <Riddell> claydoh: are you making any more changes or should I move it to kubuntu.org?
[23:33] <ScottK> Riddell: Let me go throught it first, please.
[23:33] <a|wen> isn't the correct language-packs supposed to be installed, when you choose them in the installer?
[23:35] <ScottK> Riddell: The KNE image vanished and there's a "add image" comment further down.
[23:39] <Riddell> I wasn't planning on just a copy+paste, I'd actually review it too :)
[23:40] <Blizzz> has someone screenshots (in englisch) of user date input in the installer? Or know what the text on the radion buttons at the bottom is? I'm doing up German Wiki and it happens that the strings are too long
[23:42] <Riddell> Blizzz: it asks if you want to use a password to login, login automatically or use a password to decrypt an encrypted home directory
[23:42] <Riddell> those aren't the exact strings of course
[23:42] <Riddell> Blizzz: but that sounds like a bad bug, please do report it
[23:43] <Blizzz> Riddell: the meaning is enough, thanks. i will report it subsequently
[23:47] <a|wen> Riddell: should language packs be installed by ubiquity (when choosing languages not on the cd) or is update-notifier-kde responsible for that post-install?
[23:47] <ScottK> Riddell: I added some stuff on known issues.
[23:48] <ScottK> Riddell: I also added a spot to link to the official Ubuntu release notes for other issues.
[23:48]  * ScottK is done.
[23:48] <Blizzz> Riddell: choosing the last option makes the home dir to be encrypted automatically, right?
[23:50] <Riddell> a|wen: ubiquity should do that if there's an internet connection
[23:50] <a|wen> Blizzz: yes
[23:50] <Blizzz> a|wen: ty
[23:51] <a|wen> Riddell: thx ... hmm, strange; didn't happen for danish, so trying some other language now


[16:49] <pleia2> akk: were you able to make it to the mt view ubuntu hour?
[16:49] <akk> pleia2: I was. It was small, only 5 people, but fun anyway.
[16:49] <pleia2> been trying to get ahold of some of the people running it to get DVDs down there, but no one is responding to my email :(
[16:49] <akk> Hmph!
[16:50] <pleia2> they didn't announce it to the mailing list or put it on the loco.ubuntu.com site either, so I'm not sure what's going on
[16:50] <pleia2> and I'm not sure what to do
[16:50] <akk> Yeah, sigh. Meetup is working well, but I have to think a lot of that is just that the event is actually announced there.
[16:51] <pleia2> to be honest it's not really an ubuntu california event if they're not even telling the rest of the team about it
[16:51] <akk> Would much rather have a non-proprietary place where things were announced.
[16:51] <pleia2> agreed
[16:51] <akk> True. Sadly.
[16:51] <pleia2> you can't even see the events without signing up
[16:51] <akk> Meetup is annoying and I can heartily understand people not wanting to sign up for it.
[16:51]  * pleia2 nods
[16:52] <akk> Though it is admittedly a good way to reach non-connected or not-so-techy people -- they seem to like it.
[16:52] <pleia2> I'm thinking maybe I put together a little wiki page that describes the steps to host an event with the team
[16:52] <akk> That would be helpful!
[16:52] <pleia2> we've gone from very strict "you must get permission and do full reports" to a looseness which people have taken to an extreme where they don't even bother telling the rest of us they're doing something
[16:53] <akk> Y'know, when I look for a list of upcoming ubuntu hours it always takes me several minutes of clicking around to find anything.
[16:53] <pleia2> yeah, you should just be able to go to ubuntu-california.org and click "events"
[16:53] <akk> Right.
[16:54] <pleia2> San Jose has gotten a lot better at adding theirs :) http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-california/events/history
[16:54] <darthrobot`> Title: [Ubuntu California Events History | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal]
[16:55] <akk> Is there any way to get them onto the page you get when you click "Events"? All I see there now is the IRC meeting.
[16:55] <pleia2> that link is past events
[16:56] <pleia2> there aren't any scheduled right now so there aren't any on the "Events" page
[16:56]  * pleia2 goes to add next SF one
[16:56] <akk> It's showing is Ubuntu California Team Meeting on Sunday, 18 Nov. 2012 at 19:00 PST
[16:56] <pleia2> right, that's the only thing right now
[16:57] <akk> But if I click on All Events, it says there are no events, I guess the meeting doesn't count.
[16:57] <pleia2> yeah, a "Meeting" is a meeting, Events are separate
[16:58] <akk> That's really confusing.
[16:58] <akk> I went to events, it showed me a meeting, I clicked on all events, suddenly the meeting wasn't there any more.
[16:58] <akk> It's sometimes an event and sometimes not.
[16:58] <pleia2> yeah, that's why I just link to the main page from our website :)
[16:58] <pleia2> no need for people to click around, everything is on that page
[16:59] <pleia2> unfortunately loco.ubuntu.com doesn't have active django developers beyond bug fixes
[17:00] <pleia2> ok, SF one is added, so now you should be able to see on when you go to http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-california
[17:00] <darthrobot`> Title: [Ubuntu California | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal]
[17:01] <akk> yep
[17:02] <akk> Y'know, yesterday a non-ubuntu friend was lamenting how people in his activist group aren't techie, they won't use calendaring (like google calendar) for scheduling
[17:02] <pleia2> hehe
[17:02] <akk> they insist on scheduling things by announcing them on a mailing list or facebook and nowhere else
[17:03] <akk> and I had to tell him well, guess what, even in techie groups specifically oriented to computers, the exact same thing happens.
[17:03] <pleia2> I'm very glad loco.ubuntu.com at least has the working calendar, that's what I use to update twitter and everything
[17:03] <pleia2> (which means mountain view doesn't get to twitter when it's not in loco.ubuntu...)
[17:03] <akk> yep
[17:03] <pleia2> I think our problem is that people don't use the tools, not that they don't exist
[17:04] <akk> I'd offer to be the one to update the MV ones, except it seems like I'm always the one asking "Hey, is there an MV UH tomorrow?"
[17:04] <pleia2> haha, yeah, you asking that is usually what reminds me there should be and start asking around
[17:04] <pleia2> I did ask the SV folks if they could assign someone to do it, but didn't get much of a response
[17:05] <akk> I think I said the same thing then, something like "I'll be happy to update the pages if you tell me when the events are" :)
[17:05] <akk> I guess I could try updating the loco page when I see the events announced on meetup, but ... that makes me feel dirty somehow. :)
[17:07] <akk> Oh, NM, looks like meetup isn't mailing me about new events any more anyway (I just checked the page and there's a bunch of stuff I had no idea was happening).
[17:08] <pleia2> :\
[17:33] <pleia2> ok, here's my first stab at a checklist https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/HowTo
[17:33] <darthrobot`> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Projects/HowTo - Ubuntu Wiki]
[17:39] <akk> pleia2: Two things I would add: 1. Mention how to add to the portal (e.g. "Log in and click 'Add new event') -- I know that seems obvious but if it saves a few minutes of clicking around, it might increase the changes people will do it.
[17:39] <akk> 2. Suggest how long before an event to add it, e.g. you don't want people adding events the day before if they've known about it for three weeks.
[17:41] <akk> Maybe just something like, Add events as early as possible, so people can get them on their calendars and keep the day free.
[17:43] <pleia2> akk: thanks!
[17:44] <akk> and that should have been "increase the chances", not changes, of course. :)
[17:55] <pleia2> ok, done
[17:57] <akk> Aha, I did get notifications for those new meetup events, just today (even though one of them is scheduled for today :)
[17:58] <akk> They're not ubuntu hours anyway, so probably not worth listing on our site. But I'll try adding the next UH I see announced.
[17:59] <pleia2> there's an event today? :\
[17:59]  * pleia2 sighs
[18:01] <akk> There's somebody with a space in San Mateo who apparently decided he wants people to show up and help him install 12.04 on a bunch of old machines
[18:01] <akk> (I think that's what he's saying, anyway -- not entirely clear)
[18:02] <pleia2> hm, I seem to have gotten a notification for one happening on the 25th
[18:02] <akk> and apparently scheduled it both for today and for next Sunday, but I'm not clear whether that's a reschedule or if he really wants people there both weeks.
[18:02] <akk> I got the 25th notification right before the 18th notification in my mail.
[18:03] <akk> The discussion is all under the 18th page.
[18:03] <akk> I'm not clear what these computers are, who they're intended for or anything else.
[18:03] <pleia2> logged into meetup, looks like it's happening both days
[18:04] <akk> Ah, I see, "Stop by today if you like, and definitely on the 25th!"
[18:04] <akk> If it's a charity thing like Partimus, I'd be interested (except I can't make it on the 25th anyway).
[18:05] <pleia2> ok, time for me to take a break, else I'll quit the loco, open source and start spending all my volunteer time with the marine mammal center ;)
[18:05] <pleia2> meeting at 7 tonight!
[18:05] <akk> http://www.re-computer.org/ says "e-waste recycling and computer thrift store"
[18:05] <darthrobot`> Title: [re-computer.org | restoring hardware for the common good]
[18:06] <akk> Seeya tonight, pleia2! Go do something fun.
[18:06] <pleia2> :)
[18:06] <akk> volunteering with marine mammals would be tres awesome.
[18:06] <akk> (but don't do it, we need you here :)