[12:56] <bryce> tepsipakki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Fixes_to_Backport
[12:57] <bryce> tepsipakki: I identified (nearly) all the commit ID's for the changelog entries that looked interesting
[12:59] <tepsipakki> wicked :)
[01:02] <tepsipakki> I'm trying to build dri-driver for my r200 with an experimental zero-copy-tfp patch, but it just isn't my day (/night)
[08:38] <ubotu> New bug: #132065 in compiz (main) "screen stops refreshing after rotate when running compiz fusion" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132065
[09:05] <tepsipakki> bryce: what about libx11+xcb, have you thought about that?
[06:06] <bryce> tepsipakki: oh yeah, we should include that in the plans for gutsy+1
[07:08] <bryce> http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS4979518777.html
[07:18] <ubotu> New bug: #133726 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "totem fails with BadAlloc with mpeg4 film" [Medium,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133726
[07:27] <ubotu> New bug: #130914 in compiz (main) "[Compiz/nvidia-glx-new] Running glxgears while using compiz restarts x (dup-of: 130325)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130914
[09:45] <ubotu> New bug: #34620 in Ubuntu "Live CD / "Cannot Display this Mode"" [Medium,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/34620
[09:56] <ubotu> New bug: #29984 in Ubuntu "Frequecy too high after installation with Nokia 446PRO + Geforce 420Mx" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/29984
[10:23] <tepsipakki> bryce: heh, getting the facts straight
[10:23] <tepsipakki> bryce: so, it's ok if I upload the xorg-server without -fno-stack-protector?
[10:24] <tepsipakki> works fine here
[10:25] <tepsipakki> with ati..
[10:25] <bryce> heya tepsipakki
[10:26] <bryce> tepsipakki: Yes I think so.  It would be nice if we could get verification from the original bug reporters, but I think it's fine
[10:27] <tepsipakki> that's easy to revert if needed
[10:28] <bryce> excellent, thanks
[10:28] <jcristau> re: desktoplinux.com, they talk about automatic monitor detection, but that's in 1.3, not 1.4...
[10:29] <bryce> yeah.  I sent a correction about that to the reporter
[10:30] <jcristau> oh, sjvn. didn't notice it was him...
[10:34] <tepsipakki> uh, I'm too tired.. I'll upload xorg-server tomorrow, main is frozen anyway. bye!
[10:36] <jcristau> good night tepsipakki
[10:41] <bryce> tepsipakki: sounds good, and good night :-)
[11:31] <ubotu> New bug: #45290 in Ubuntu "system freeze when screensaver is trying to start (dup-of: 67487)" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/45290
[11:33] <bryce> tepsipakki: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/133192
[11:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133192 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "Screen displays garbage" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[11:34] <bryce> tepsipakki: I wonder if we should include both the newer and older -ati's?  hrm
[11:41] <ubotu> New bug: #134141 in xorg (main) "fix for scroll wheel in x60 tablet fujitsu p1510 fujitsu p1610" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134141
[11:42] <ubotu> New bug: #42898 in xorg-server (main) "Connecting External Monitor does not work on Thinkpad x60" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/42898
[11:50] <ubotu> New bug: #132909 in xserver-xorg-input-mouse (main) "frozen mouse pointer at login" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132909
[12:00] <ubotu> New bug: #55142 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17 (restricted) "ATI Xpress 200 5A61 Chashes" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/55142


[13:42] <Laney> xnox: want to review https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/ubiquity/+git/ubiquity/+merge/387747 ?
[13:42] <Laney> tried to keep it small, change to apt update for ubuntu-drivers
[13:53] <realtime-neil> Just how obsolete is this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization
[13:54] <realtime-neil> On a scale from "I did this yesterday" to "The last person that did that retired a decade ago".
[13:54] <xnox> Laney:  looks ok. And it is backportable to focal branch too, right?
[13:54] <xnox> Laney:  i do hate the 'blah blah\'n blah blah'
[13:54] <Laney> the what?
[13:54] <Laney> multiline strings?
[13:55] <xnox> i normally go for "asdfsafsaf'asdfasdfs" or just "No, we did not find any OEM packages again.'
[13:55] <Laney> lol
[13:55] <Laney> well the second one makes a test fail and the thing ftbfs
[13:55] <Laney> and I don't understand the first :>
[13:56] <Laney> WAIT
[13:56] <xnox> hahahhahahhahahhaa
[13:56] <Laney> you're talking about the apostrophe
[13:56] <xnox> yes
[13:56] <xnox> i did inline comment, with context on the merge proposal
[13:57] <xnox> it's fine, if it builds, we should ship it.
[13:57] <Laney> I'll change it, it doesn't matter
[13:57] <Laney> thx
[13:57] <Laney> I'm not 100% confident in it because I don't have a device to test
[13:58] <Laney> but we can ask those guys to do it
[13:58] <Laney> just makig sure I didn't break kubuntu
[14:05] <xnox> Laney:  i can build you a focal iso without pool.
[14:05] <Laney> we should totally do a one off black run over ubiquity
[14:05] <xnox> Laney:  then your existing oem device should discover "over the air", no?
[14:06] <xnox> Laney:  i guess we somehow need oem-ubuntu-test-in-updates which is not on the iso.
[14:06] <xnox> maybe like forever in proposed, but then we need to boot with proposed enabled. sigh
[14:07] <Laney> it should be ok to test something which is just not in the pool I guess
[14:07] <Laney> can you try it pls
[14:07] <Laney> https://people.canonical.com/~laney/temp/
[14:34] <Laney> what
[14:34] <Laney> is console-setup/Keyboard/KeyboardNames.pl and why is it being created
[14:38] <xnox> d-i thing does that
[14:38] <xnox> always on clean, and recreates it at build
[14:38] <xnox> i don't know how to make it stop
[14:38] <xnox> we didn't used to care as we didn't track console-setup in git before
[14:45] <Laney> ok for some reason it's not there this time
[14:46] <Laney> /shrug
[19:28] <realtime-neil> xnox: that `iso=` trick isn't working for me --- I've got `ip=dhcp iso=http://_gateway:3003/ubuntu-20.04-live-server-amd64.iso` (where I'm serving it) and qemu is erroring out with "No init found. Try passing init= bootarg"
[19:49] <CarlFK> realtime-neil: what is your boot media and files?
[19:50] <CarlFK> this is my qemu line to test a usb stick: https://salsa.debian.org/debconf-video-team/ansible/-/blob/master/usbinst/test_thumb.sh
[19:51] <CarlFK> this script constructs URLs and downloads the files to put on the stick: https://salsa.debian.org/debconf-video-team/ansible/-/blob/master/usbinst/mk_usb_installer.sh
[20:06] <realtime-neil> CarlFK: this is what I'm trying to do: https://salsa.debian.org/snippets/461
[20:07] <realtime-neil> I don't need to test removable media so much as tell the early userspace to grab an iso from the _gateway and boot _that_.
[20:56] <realtime-neil> xnox: I'm trying to use the functionality you added here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/1.422  ; every time, it fails saying "runi-"
[20:57] <realtime-neil> "run-init: current directory on the same filesystem as the root: error 0", and five times at that
[20:58] <CarlFK> realtime-neil: you are booting the kernel and initrd from the iso image, and then trying to get it to read the iso over http.   do I have that right ?
[20:58] <realtime-neil> yes, that's correct
[20:58] <realtime-neil> I don't know another way of doing that.
[20:59] <realtime-neil> CarlFK: well, I'm sure there are others, but this is the way I want to do it.
[21:00] <CarlFK> the cd kernel/init may be expecting local media, not over the network
[21:00] <CarlFK> the "net install" images may be needed for over the net
[21:01] <realtime-neil> CarlFK: then I've clearly misunderstood the changes mentioned here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/1.422
[21:01] <CarlFK> but I don't know if/where they are for the new ubuntu installer
[21:02] <CarlFK> ok, never mind me.  Yeah, looks like what you are doing is spozed to work
[21:04] <realtime-neil> I'm looking for something inside that *.iso that reports the version of casper it's using, but I don't know where to look.
[21:04] <CarlFK> realtime-neil:   I think you  need to change iso=http... to url=http...
[21:05] <realtime-neil> CarlFK: tried both; they both fail the same way.
[21:06] <CarlFK> at least make it match the docs
[21:06] <realtime-neil> CarlFK: I've updated my kvm-test snippet accordingly
[21:06] <CarlFK> but the error does make me think it isn't getting 'there' yet
[21:07] <CarlFK> also run this in it's own term without the >null python3 -m http.server 3003
[21:07] <CarlFK> see if it gets a hit
[21:07] <realtime-neil> checking...
[21:08] <CarlFK> does this put the files in casper/ ?   7z x "${PWD}/ubuntu-20.04-live-server-amd64.iso" "casper/vmlinuz"
[21:10] <realtime-neil> ...yeah, nothing is hitting the server
[21:11] <realtime-neil> CarlFK: yes, all extracted paths are created relative to $PWD
[21:12] <realtime-neil> I'm looking at the [casper man page](http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/focal/man7/casper.7.html) and wondering if the `netboot=` parameter (implicitly set by `url=`) has anything to do with this?
[22:24] <realtime-neil> Here's something... the `_gateway` notation is (apparently) okay for a `seedfrom=` (`s=`), but `url=` seems to hate it.
[22:25] <CarlFK> realtime-neil: oh... try using the IP
[22:25] <CarlFK> what is _gateway ?
[22:26] <realtime-neil> I saw it here:
[22:26] <realtime-neil> https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/install/autoinstall-quickstart
[22:26] <realtime-neil> but that's the first time I saw it.
[22:29] <realtime-neil> Ha! As long as you feed it the IP address of the machine running that `python -m http.server 3003 `, then it actually downloads the iso.
[22:30] <realtime-neil> Wow. This ubuntu-20.04-live-server-amd64.iso needs a kvm with more than 2048 MiB RAM
[22:43] <CarlFK> well.. at least you are making progress
[22:46] <realtime-neil> CarlFK: I know, right!
[22:47] <realtime-neil> Okay, cool, cool. CarlFK, I'm going to borrow heavily from those scripts you linked. That's exactly what I need to be doing for my remastered installation media image.
[22:49] <CarlFK> woo hoo!!!
[22:57] <mwhudson> realtime-neil: glad you got things working
[22:58] <mwhudson> slightly surprised 2G is required but yeah, netboot does require quite a lot of ram
[23:03] <realtime-neil> mwhudson: you and me both ... between the ~900MiB compressed iso and the ~225MiB uncompressed initrd, I guess it blew through 2GiB in hurry.
[23:04] <mwhudson> accessing the iso over iscsi would help
[23:04] <mwhudson> but well one thing at a time


[14:44] <DesignBR> hello ubuntustudio team, i have a problem.  I can not modify files or folders on another HD, has a lock signal on everything, already researched on the subject is found nothing to help me.  How do I remove this lock and be able to edit my files?
[14:47] <Eickmeyer> DesignBR: Since Ubuntu Studio is really Ubuntu (and since this isn't necessarily a problem specific to Ubuntu Studio), try to ask in #ubuntu. Thanks!
[14:51] <DesignBR> OK thank you


[01:13] <BenC> infinity: You probably already know, but soyuz is borked
[01:13] <BenC> s/is/was/
[01:19] <infinity> BenC: Nah, had no clue, I'm trying to ignore work. :)
[01:20] <infinity> BenC: What sort of borkage?
[01:20] <BenC> it was telling me that linux-meta failed to build, but the log showed a build for some other package
[01:20] <infinity> !
[01:21] <infinity> BenC: On the website, or in the email sent to you, or both?
[01:21] <BenC> website
[01:21] <BenC> actually it showed dep-wait, because the package couldn't install all the deps it needed
[01:21] <fabbione> yo guys
[01:21] <derekS> is hald/udev related to the kernel? ie if they are having a bug, and i switch kernels, would that bug still be there?
[01:22] <infinity> Oh wow, the web interface is completely borked...
[01:23] <BenC> fabbione: Hey, how was your flight?
[01:23] <BenC> infinity: So is it ok, just that the web interface is broken?
[01:23] <infinity> BenC: No, I think the web breakage is a symptom of deeper arghitude.
[01:24] <infinity> BenC: I'm going to leave it in cprov's hands, and go back to VACing, but I'll check in later.
[01:24] <fabbione> BenC: almost eventless.. slept a lot.. talk with a couple of blonde hot chicks.. otherwise all good :)
[01:24] <BenC> fabbione: sounds like a pleasant flight :)
[01:25] <fabbione> yeah it was good
[01:25] <fabbione> Seattle airport sucks tho.. passport check is REALLY slow'
[02:09] <fabbione> infinity, BenC: did you guys already reported the problem to cprov?
[02:11] <infinity> fabbione: Yes.
[02:11] <infinity> fabbione: He's looking into it.
[02:11] <fabbione> infinity: ok thanks
[02:11] <fabbione> i assume we have no ETA..
[02:12] <infinity> Hard to have an ETA without knowing what broke.
[02:12] <fabbione> well they must have a record of the changes they did last week
[03:53] <infinity> BenC: should be all better now.
[03:56] <derekS> infinity: are hal/udev problems kernel issues?
[03:59] <infinity> derekS: They're userspace issues, though obviously, kernel changes can affect them.
[03:59] <infinity> derekS: This isn't a channel for reporting bugs either way.  File bugs on udev or hal (wheverever the problem is), and let it get triaged.
[04:00] <derekS> ok
[04:00] <derekS> thanks
[04:00] <derekS> i am trying to fix myself :)
[06:24] <infinity> [  160.240000]  fglrx: Unknown symbol sys_call_table
[06:24] <infinity> BenC: ^^^
[06:24] <BenC> where's that?
[06:24] <infinity> BenC: When trying to load fglrx.
[06:25] <BenC> which kernel I mean
[06:25] <infinity> BenC: -2-generic
[06:25] <infinity> (base)adconrad@cthulhu:~$ cat /proc/version /proc/version_signature
[06:25] <infinity> Linux version 2.6.20-2-generic (root@vernadsky) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061212 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 4.1.1-21ubuntu2)) #3 SMP Sat Dec 16 12:28:13 UTC 2006
[06:25] <infinity> Ubuntu 2.6.20-2.2-generic
[06:26] <BenC> ok
[06:27] <infinity> BenC: Want a bug report with more useful info, or is that enough for you?
[06:27] <BenC> just a quick email to help me remember in the morning
[06:27] <infinity> benc@ or bcollins@ ?
[06:28] <infinity> I can never remember.
[06:28] <BenC> latter
[06:28] <fabbione> BenC:
[06:28] <fabbione> git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/bcollins/ubuntu-2.6.git ubuntu-2.6
[06:28] <fabbione> remote: Generating pack...
[06:28] <fabbione> remote: Done counting 398707 objects.
[06:28] <fabbione> fatal: unexpected EOF
[06:28] <fabbione> fatal: early EOF
[06:28] <fabbione> fatal: index-pack died with error code 128
[06:28] <fabbione> fetch-pack from 'git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/bcollins/ubuntu-2.6.git' failed.
[06:28] <fabbione> any idea what could cause that?
[06:29] <infinity> BenC: Sent.
[06:29] <BenC> sounds like something on kernel-org
[06:29] <BenC> fabbione: try rookery:/srv/kernel-team
[06:29] <BenC> infinity: thanks
[06:29] <fabbione> BenC: ok
[06:32] <kkubasik> do kernel crash messages go to  a log file?
[06:32] <kkubasik> scratch that, I found it
[06:37] <kkubasik> ok, i am experiancing a crash with 2.6.20 386
[06:37] <kkubasik> http://pastebin.ca/283250
[06:38] <fabbione> kkubasik: file a bug in launchpad.'
[06:38] <kkubasik> alright, just wanted to make sure
[06:40] <fabbione> BenC: did you notice any regression on PB G4 with .20-1 ?
[06:40] <fabbione> it seems like the fn key is gone for good
[06:40] <fabbione> gonna check with older or newer kernel later
[12:53] <tepsipakki> what's the status of tg3-backport to dapper? Since there was a security-release last week, I suspect it will still take a while?
[02:44] <Lure> BenC: just noticed this on 2.6.20:
[02:44] <Lure> [   25.304000]  speedstep-centrino with X86_SPEEDSTEP_CENTRINO_ACPIconfig is depr
[02:44] <Lure> ecated.
[02:44] <Lure> [   25.304000]   Use X86_ACPI_CPUFREQ (acpi-cpufreq instead.
[03:44] <BenC> Lure: good to know, thanks
[03:44] <Lure> BenC: not sure if this was before in -17 and -19 - I just noticed it today on -20-2
[03:45] <BenC> I think it has to do with some new config options that weren't adjusted for
[03:45] <BenC> would be nice to have gotten a compile time warning about that
[03:45] <kylem> moo.
[03:46] <BenC> kylem: Roar! (like a bear)
[03:51] <kylem> gah. enough with the bloody bear.s :)
[03:53] <BenC> I showed me family the good/bad bear at an early Christmas gathering yesterday
[03:53] <BenC> I think I ruined Christmas
[03:59] <Lure> BenC: more info: http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/12/1/25
[04:08] <BenC> Lure: Thanks, made the config changes
[05:27] <mjg59> BenC: I don't quite understand your objection to the dscape patch
[05:28] <BenC> mjg59: No objections, just somehow I managed not to have the ieee80211_ptr part of it in there
[05:28] <BenC> Going to try having it in there next upload
[05:28] <mjg59> BenC: Ah, ok.
[05:29] <mjg59> That would explain things :)
[05:38] <luneo> I have a question.... Is there any way to maintain a Ingo Molnar rt patch based kernel? and I know that the rt patch from Molnar breaks the others ubuntu patches...
[05:39] <BenC> bug 76294
[05:39] <BenC> luneo: Sure, you are more than welcome to do that
[05:44] <luneo> Another question... I am trying to cross-compile the rt15 kernel from Molnar... my host system is a ia32... and I am trying to compile for x64 systems... but the toolchain-source dosen't compile... gcc dosen't compile... so I used some wrappers... to parse the m64 thing,.. but at the infiniband driver, I get and error 1 and 2, (<IP_ADDRESS> kernel), and the config is based on the Molnar x64 config... and he didn't had any problem... is the
[05:44] <luneo>  a solution for the toolchain-source...
[05:47] <luneo> for the toolchain-source I just did, tpkg-make amd64-linux, debuild binutils and debi, and then, tpkg-install-libc amd64, debuild gcc...
[06:00] <luneo> ok, thanks for the effort tough...
[07:24] <\sh> moins
[07:25] <\sh> did anybody have a clue about this error message? Dec 18 19:23:11 fai-noc kernel: [361111.808688]  sudosh[31758]  general protection rip:402fd3 rsp:7fffffa6a6d0 error:0
[07:26] <joejaxx> BenC: is 20-2 compiled with cell support enabled?
[07:26] <BenC> yeah
[07:26] <joejaxx> BenC: thank you :)
[07:27] <BenC> you going to test it?
[07:27] <joejaxx> i have someone to test it
[07:27] <BenC> I'd really like to know if it works on ps3 :)
[07:27] <joejaxx> yeah :) i am going to build a fluxbuntu feisty image with that kernel
[07:28] <joejaxx> for testing
[07:28] <joejaxx> BenC: i will let you know how it goes :)
[07:28] <BenC> thanks
[07:28] <joejaxx> BenC: you are most welcome
[07:28] <pmjdebruijn> Cell support is going to be included on the PPC iso?
[07:29] <BenC> the kernel has the cell options enabled
[07:29] <BenC> whether we support it or not is a different story
[07:29] <pmjdebruijn> ok, unofficially support it
[07:30] <joejaxx> BenC: i think the biggest problem whould be the fact that people do not have machines to test it
[07:31] <pmjdebruijn> won't that be just a matter of time?
[07:31] <joejaxx> BenC: everyone has i386's and powerpcs
[07:31] <pmjdebruijn> I mean Cell is just one configuration, just the PlayStation III, it's not like with a PC that you can have a quadrilion hardware configurations
[07:31] <joejaxx> pmjdebruijn: i do not know if everyone is going to go out and buy a $600 gaming system for testing support
[07:35] <pmjdebruijn> joejaxx, of course not... but some folks are bound to buy a PS3
[07:44] <Keybuk> BenC: OOPS are not my friends
[08:03] <BenC> pmj: question is will those ppl be capable of getting it working
[08:03] <BenC> hmm, he left
[08:03] <ivoks> eh :/
[08:03] <ivoks> um, BenC i know this isn't support channel, but i'm kind of clueless where to look :)
[08:04] <ivoks> BenC: do you know what could cause high loand (kacpid-work-0 takes 100% proc) with amd64 version of kernel (dapper) on intel xeon?
[08:04] <BenC> not off hand
[08:04] <ivoks> ok, thanks :)
[08:32] <joejaxx> BenC: the G5's use the powerpc64 kernel?
[08:33] <BenC> yes
[08:33] <joejaxx> hmmm interesting
[08:47] <PriceChild> ping BenC
[08:47] <BenC> PriceChild: pong
[08:47] <PriceChild> Hi there :)
[08:48] <PriceChild> I'm a moderator from ubuntuforum. I'm here regarding a thread which has turned into actively suggesting people use the feisty kernel packages on their edgy system for "testing"
[08:48] <BenC> who started the thread?
[08:48] <BenC> or started the suggestion I mean
[08:48] <PriceChild> was talking to laser jock about it who referred me to you to check what we thought
[08:49] <BenC> basically it's a good idea, as long as initramfs-tools, module-init-tools and udev are also upgraded from feisty
[08:50] <BenC> I still run edgy on all the machines I use for kernel testing
[08:50] <PriceChild> pochu, tormod,
[08:50] <PriceChild> Ok
[08:51] <PriceChild> I posted a big scary red message telling people that they shouldn't be doing this... I'll edit it to say it is "sort of ok" if they upgrade those packages. However may still have problems and it will be hard for people to support them?>
[08:54] <PriceChild> BenC: also what about bug reports from users using this method?
[08:55] <BenC> as long as it's a kernel bug, and not some userspace issue, then file it as normal
[08:55] <PriceChild> ok thankyou for your clarifcations :)
[08:55] <PriceChild> *clarifications
[08:56] <BenC> np
[09:17] <zul> mmmm...evil
[09:17] <zul> ..
[10:23] <dade`> 516M    ubuntu-2.6
[10:23] <dade`> never noticed :)
[11:10] <Toadstool> heya!
[11:13] <Toadstool> http://librarian.launchpad.net/5420830/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-amd64.ifplugd_0.28-2.1ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz <-- does anybody have any idea why the build worked on i386 and failed on the other archs?
[11:20] <thom> Toadstool: looks like a linux-libc-dev bug
[11:47] <BenC> Toadstool: It should not include linux/types.h
[11:48] <Toadstool> ok thanks a lot :)


[03:00] <shauno> heh, classic.  Just got an email from one of my vps providers, telling me my host has gone over it's bandwidth allowance.
[03:00] <shauno> which sounded wrong because it's just a failover MX.  it sees very little traffic at all
[03:00] <shauno> their web portal says it's at "41.8 TB of 500 GB Used / -44409274698 KB Free".  I call shenanigans.
[03:03] <Azelphur> haha
[07:53] <PalaPad> wb everyone ;)
[07:53]  * dogmatic69 survived
[08:01] <dogmatic69> every time i create a vm virtual box dies creating the space for a fixed drive :/
[08:02] <PalaPad> Bad blocks on the drive maybe?
[08:02] <PalaPad> Oooo am at barking already only a few stops to go
[08:09] <dogmatic69> Paladine: its a newish drive, how can i check?
[08:09] <dogmatic69> been at 0% for 15 minutes now
[08:10] <PalaPad> Run e2fsck or something
[08:14] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps!
[08:14] <dogmatic69> o/
[08:17] <PalaPad> Nearly at fenchrurch
[08:17] <dogmatic69> you cant do a disk check on a disk that is mounted?
[08:17] <dogmatic69> my pc has one HDD only
[08:23] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: tell it to force a check on next boot
[08:25] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: i reboot when the power trips :/
[08:30] <JamesTait> Morning all!
[08:31] <dogmatic69> tired virtual machine manager and it created the 8gig drive in < 1 second
[08:31] <dogmatic69> virtual box ftl
[08:36] <dogmatic69> unity 2D crashes on my vm
[08:46] <jpds> shauno: Looks like 'apt-get install vnstat' time.
[08:49] <Daviey> wow, Radio 4 is a little colourful today.
[08:52] <popey> Morning all!
[08:56] <bigcalm> Hola
[08:56] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:05] <gord> Konnichiwa
[09:05] <popey> YES!
[09:06] <MartijnVdS> popey: Yes?
[09:06] <bigcalm> TSB
[09:06] <popey> Yes.
[09:06]  * czajkowski pokes gord
[09:06] <czajkowski> I need someone to replace my lack of davmor2 and MooDoo
[09:07] <AlanBell> こん一羽？
[09:07] <gord> oh, i'm no replacement for them, far to nice
[09:08] <diplo> Morning all
[09:08] <bigcalm> They are far too nice?
[09:08] <popey> O_O
[09:09] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[09:10] <czajkowski> gord: true
[09:10] <czajkowski> gord: who else do you suggest
[09:11] <gord> czajkowski, i do not trust this Daviey fellow
[09:11] <czajkowski> gord: ya know you make a truely valid point, however I need to be nice to Daviey he has a package for me I need from him in the coming weeks.
[09:16] <ProfPourEtudiant> hi
[09:16] <AlanBell> hi
[09:17] <czajkowski> gord: then I cant pick on AlanBell as he is the leader
[09:17] <czajkowski> gord: cant pick on popey as he knows all
[09:17] <czajkowski> gord: so it has to be you till Davmor2 comes in
[09:17] <czajkowski> otherwise I'll scare others if I pick on them
[09:17] <bigcalm> Heh
[09:17] <bigcalm> Poor gord
[09:17]  * AlanBell has immunity \o/
[09:17] <czajkowski> <--------- my logic works wonders
[09:17]  * bigcalm eyes czajkowski
[09:18] <bigcalm> AlanBell: read that as James Bond villain saying "Diplomatic immunity"
[09:20] <AlanBell> bigcalm: that was exactly how I said it :)
[09:20] <bigcalm> Nice one :D
[09:20] <AlanBell> actually Die Hard I think, the SA chap
[09:20] <bigcalm> Oh sod, yes
[09:20] <bigcalm> I feel silly now
[09:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> Thanks bigcalm
[09:23] <bigcalm> TheOpenSourcerer: no patches?
[09:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's fine.
[09:23] <bigcalm> Good show :)
[09:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> It will probably be moving home in the next couple of months so will have to go down :-(
[09:25] <bigcalm> If you had it on a UPS you could move it bit by bit towards its new home
[09:28] <harry_> hey , anyone here who can tell me how to keep window always on top in linux using script??
[09:29]  * bigcalm wants to make a joke about Windows and market share, but shall refrain
[09:30] <bigcalm> Sorry, I don't know :)
[09:31] <harry_> okay thanks..
[09:35] <oimon> anyone see that blog post on planet about UEFI secure boot?
[09:36] <bigcalm> Seen links to it all over twitter and G+. Not got around to reading it
[09:37] <oimon> could stop you installing your own OS
[09:37] <bigcalm> Yes, so I hear
[09:39] <AlanBell> it looks nasty to me
[09:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> I wouldn't worry - it will almost certainly be hacked and broken before it's even released.
[09:40] <bigcalm> Would it be a case for the monopolies commission?
[09:40] <AlanBell> it will end up like region coded DVD players, you will have to send your laptop off somewhere to be chipped before it will boot linux
[09:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> "Windows" and "security" crop up a great deal in the same articles. I'll just say: https://twitter.com/#!/opensourcerer/status/116441785110233088
[09:44] <oimon> TheOpenSourcerer: is that an internet facing server?
[09:44]  * bigcalm steps back
[09:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> oimon: No.
[09:45] <oimon> ok..otherwise i would have asked for IP address ;)
[09:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> I wouldn't tell you anyway :P
[09:45] <AlanBell> <IP_ADDRESS> I think :)
[09:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> nah,
[09:45] <oimon> i've had servers go over 1000 days before
[09:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> 2
[09:46] <AlanBell> 64 bytes from <IP_ADDRESS>: icmp_req=1 ttl=62 time=45.8 ms
[09:46]  * oimon thinks of privilege escalation bugs in the kernel over the last 571 days
[09:46] <oimon> unless you have ksplice of course
[09:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> bah - of course. it is accessible via AlanBell's network... Hmm, better do an nmap sweep of his house.
[09:48] <AlanBell> yikes!
[09:50] <bigcalm> Something is changing € into ¤ in emails I'm sending via PHP, but I can't work out what.
[09:55] <pancro> bigcalm: looks like your encoding may be wrong, maybe you're sending our ISO-8859-1 encoding headers instead of ISO-8859-15 (where ¤ is replaced by €), better off using UTF-8 anyway
[09:55] <pancro> s/sending our/sending out/
[09:56] <ikonia> other than Scan and Ebuyer what's a reasonable online UK etailer that people trust ?
[09:56] <bigcalm> pancro: it's using UTF-8
[09:57] <bigcalm> ikonia: dabs.co.uk
[09:57] <bigcalm> Or .com, I forget
[09:57] <ikonia> ahh, I forgot dabs
[09:57] <ikonia> I thought they had gone under for some reason
[09:57] <bigcalm> BT bought them
[09:57] <ikonia> totally forgot about them
[09:57] <ikonia> thank you
[09:57] <bigcalm> Amazon are good for bits as well
[09:58] <ikonia> I was pondering that, but they are mostly "market place" stores that I've had bad experiences with market store on amazon
[09:58] <ikonia> if it doesn't come from amazon it's self I'm cautious now
[09:58] <pancro> bigcalm: just wondering because of the fact that ¤ was replaced by € in newer 8-bit codepages... just wondering if it's UTF-8 through and thourgh or if there's a link in the chain still working with 8 bit characters. do other UTF-8 characters show up ok?
[09:58] <bigcalm> I've only had one semi-bad experience with a market place seller. YMMV
[09:59] <ikonia> I've had some good ones too, but the risks and issues dealing with the bad ones put me of
[09:59] <ikonia> off
[09:59] <bigcalm> Fair enough
[10:00] <ikonia> who are the reputable SSD brands at the moment, I'm assuming OCZ are still a core player
[10:00] <ikonia> my hard disk just died so I'm tryin to get a replacment, and scan have have SSD's on "pre order" for about 3 months,
[10:02] <bigcalm> ikonia: I have an OCZ and would buy again (if I had the money)
[10:02] <davmor2> morning all
[10:03] <bigcalm> Hi davmor2. You need to apologise to gord for your late arrival
[10:03] <oimon> ikonia: insight
[10:03] <ikonia> oimon: that's a name I've not heard before
[10:04] <davmor2> bigcalm: why this is the time I arrive :P
[10:04] <davmor2> gord: ^ what's he on?
[10:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> Nice. AlanBell 's house is only exposing two entry points.
[10:05] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: front door and back door ;)
[10:07] <davmor2> bigcalm: what you on about dude?
[10:09] <bigcalm> davmor2: czajkowski needed somebody to pick on and you weren't here
[10:10] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod, don't annoy gord, you'll upset him you big bully :P
[10:11]  * davmor2 passes gord a cup of tea there you go chap calm down and have a brew
[10:15] <togster> Morning all
[10:20]  * czajkowski kicks davmor2 well get your arse on earlier then
[10:21] <czajkowski> davmor2: let me tell you about my fun week shall I
[10:21] <davmor2> czajkowski: No you need to let it stew and boil over for when I get on
[10:21] <czajkowski> davmor2: I lack patience how do you not know this by now
[10:22] <davmor2> czajkowski: I do know it but I figure it would annoy you all the more :P
[10:45] <oimon> http://primaxstudio.com/stuff/scale_of_universe/
[10:46] <oimon> ^^ cool way to spend 3 minutes
[10:54] <j0nr> anyone know how to strip all UserTextFrames out of mp3 files using eyeD3?
[10:56]  * czajkowski hands davmor2 a cuppa tea
[10:59]  * davmor2 looks at czajkowski blankly tea............you gave me tea.............and you think I don't know you :P
[11:00]  * czajkowski gives davmor2 a digestive bickie to dunk
[11:00] <czajkowski> now shrup ya pup
[11:02]  * davmor2 goes down stairs pours away the tea and makes a coffee to dunk the bickie in
[11:02] <bigcalm> Anybody know who KiltedUberGeek is on twitter?
[11:03] <czajkowski> davmor2: don't say I was never nice
[11:03] <czajkowski> you all saw that he poured the tea I made for him
[11:04] <davmor2> czajkowski: I don't drink tea you should know that by now :P
[11:04] <czajkowski> pff drink tea all english men do
[11:05] <bigcalm> And some Irish ladies
[11:06] <czajkowski> me I love my tea
[11:06] <czajkowski> need _tea to function
[11:21] <dogmatic69> how can i force kill some process? got a VBox something or an other running at 98% and making my cpu +- 95'C
[11:21] <dogmatic69> cant do it from htop with sigkill etc
[11:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> sudo kill -9 pid
[11:21] <dogmatic69> tried killall
[11:22] <dogmatic69> says no pid found, but htop says its pid 677
[11:22] <bigcalm> I </3 VM :(
[11:22] <dogmatic69> ye...
[11:22] <popey> uhoh
[11:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> ps aux | grep something relevant should give you the right pid
[11:23] <dogmatic69> 1000       439 97.3  0.0      0     0 ?        Zl   08:56 200:40 [VBoxSVC] <defunct>
[11:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> so it's 439 then
[11:24] <dogmatic69> sudo killall -9 439
[11:24] <dogmatic69> 439: no process found
[11:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> How come your uid isn't your username?
[11:24] <popey> uhm
[11:24] <AlanBell> killall does process name
[11:24] <popey> dont do killall pid
[11:24] <popey> do kill -9 pid
[11:24] <AlanBell> kill does process number
[11:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> sudo kill -9 pid
[11:24] <popey> or killall name
[11:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> not killall
[11:25] <popey> or sudo service vboxsvc stop
[11:25] <dogmatic69> killall name does nothing, kill -9 pid has no error, still running
[11:25] <gord> guys its restarting
[11:25] <gord> you can't kill it because the process already died and restarted
[11:25] <gord> thus it got a new pid
[11:26] <gord> you need to kill whatever is restarting it
[11:26] <dogmatic69> popey to the rescue \o/
[11:26] <popey> :D
[11:26] <dogmatic69> oh no
[11:26] <dogmatic69> its going...
[11:26] <dogmatic69> in htop the pid is always 677
[11:27] <dogmatic69> the pxu grep still says 439
[11:27] <oimon> dogmatic69:  ps -ef | pastebinit
[11:27] <popey> ps aux | pastebinit
[11:27] <popey> :D
[11:27] <oimon> aux sux dude
[11:27] <dogmatic69> http://pastebin.com/n0Sg3yr7
[11:28] <oimon> ps -ef give you the parent pid too
[11:29] <bigcalm> !ping
[11:29] <dogmatic69> TheOpenSourcerer: in htop it shows my username, not 1000
[11:29] <oimon> i bet your username is > 8 characters
[11:30] <dogmatic69> dogmatic69
[11:30] <dogmatic69> :)
[11:30] <oimon> yeah, that's a feature of ps
[11:31] <davmor2> czajkowski: yeap but then you should love guinness too and do you?
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> oimon: "feature"
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> oimon: it's documented, but hard to find
[11:32] <czajkowski> davmor2: eh no
[11:32] <davmor2> czajkowski: so you're not really Irish then :P
[11:33] <czajkowski> nope half
[11:34] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: only the accent? :)
[11:34] <czajkowski> yes my accent does make me rather unique in work here
[11:34] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: I was thinking more only the attitude :D
[11:34] <czajkowski> davmor2: I kick your ass
[11:34] <davmor2> see
[11:35] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: I'll just imagine a badly dubbed Japanese film
[11:35] <czajkowski> MartijnVdS: oi
[11:35] <czajkowski> fecker
[11:36] <davmor2> czajkowski: swearing in Irish is still swearing madame
[11:36] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: you know the kind I mean then? :)
[11:36] <czajkowski> MartijnVdS: coming for drinks tomorrow ?
[11:36] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: no, I'm on the wrong side of the North Sea
[11:39] <dogmatic69> :/
[11:39] <dogmatic69> still running, tried apt-get remove
[11:40] <dogmatic69> just says its still running, stop it first :S
[11:42] <oimon> dogmatic69: apt-get remove won't kill the process in memory. what does lsof -p 439 show
[11:42] <dogmatic69> nothing
[11:42] <oimon> i'm surprised kill -9 439 isn't slapping it
[11:43] <czajkowski> ~/win 23
[11:44] <czajkowski> hmm not impresssed with the new two and a half men :/
[11:46] <AlanBell> not satisfied with just one?
[11:47] <dogmatic69> oimon: is there like a -vv option?
[11:52] <czajkowski> oh yes I'll be talking at a UK flossie event
[11:52] <czajkowski> on Ubuntu and Ubuntu Women this year
[12:04] <czajkowski> time to be on my best behaviour BBC are here to record
[12:04] <czajkowski> and I'm on a massive MAC :/
[12:07] <dogmatic69> i broke down and rebooted the pc
[12:09] <selinuxium> Hi all    o/
[12:10] <oimon> i wonder how much apple pay the BBC to feature their logo on screen every 60 seconds during an episode of spooks?
[12:15] <czajkowski> and worse they need to use my HTC phone
[12:17] <MartijnVdS> oimon: is that even allowed? Ads in BBC programs?
[12:18] <oimon> it is constant
[12:18] <gord> i wonder how much they paid czajkowski to use a mac whilst filming!
[12:18] <gord> i smell corruption
[12:18] <czajkowski> gord: look a new dell has been bought
[12:18] <czajkowski> I've been asking where to put it
[12:18] <czajkowski> hence me getting live cd off AlanBell tomorrow
[12:19] <gord> i don't mind ;) macs are great too
[12:21] <oimon> spooks already got a soft telling-off in 2005 but it is worse than ever
[12:21] <MartijnVdS> Apple must pay more than the fine ;)
[12:23] <selinuxium> czajkowski, Well done in the rugger!  :)
[12:24] <czajkowski> selinuxium: why thank you
[12:24] <oimon> product placement rules are very weak
[12:24] <czajkowski> selinuxium: coming for beers tomorrow
[12:26] <selinuxium> czajkowski, sadly I am still working from home until next week... Leg is getting much better though...
[12:26] <czajkowski> great to hear it
[12:27] <selinuxium> Don't think my American football career will be back on though... :)
[12:28] <czajkowski> awww *hugs* selinuxium
[12:29] <oimon> i've complained to ofcom about spooks
[12:32] <czajkowski> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14858056 it's over this
[12:32] <JGJones> Maybe this is old news by now but was just told briefly that devices coming with Windows 8 would have a means to prevent any form of dual booting with other type of OS such as linux?
[12:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> JGJones have a look back up there ^^^
[12:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> (10:35:42) oimon: anyone see that blog post on planet about UEFI secure boot?
[12:35] <oimon> yep
[12:36] <oimon> http://slashdot.org/submission/1794130/How-MS-may-stop-you-from-installing-your-own-OS
[12:37] <oimon> deserves front page prominence
[12:37] <JGJones> The good old days of DVD player's that you get chipped is back!
[12:39]  * popey pokes Seeker` with the top of http://www.hantslug.org.uk/wiki/HugoRandomBenchmark
[12:40] <JGJones> Ah well...if they try that with Windows 8 server, it won't be very successful, as windows doesn't have as large a dominance on servers compared to desktops
[12:40] <oimon> it's very likely we could see locked down hardware similar to locked down mobiles
[12:42] <JGJones> oimon - possibly, but now HTC and Samsung have changed their tune and allowing for bootloaders to be unlocked on their newest devices etc.
[12:43] <oimon> JGJones but what if this is driven by MS who have history of trying to enforce their desktop monopoly through OEMs?
[12:43] <gord> good luck selling machines in china if you need real versions of windows on them
[12:44] <JGJones> oimon, it's possible they could drive this for desktops, but what about servers? Linux does have a healthy share there and OEM will not want to lose sales on that
[12:44] <JGJones> as for mobiles - good luck to them, MS have a tiny % (around 2% perhaps)
[12:44] <oimon> it's easier to buy servers without MS preinstalled
[12:45] <oimon> so MS don't really have that strangehold - server vendors would include a bios option to turn off secure boot
[12:46] <oimon> i doubt you will get the same opotion on your laptop
[12:46] <Seeker`> popey: YOU RAT!
[12:46] <JGJones> aye...the desktops is the tricky area...but I'm hoping that EU might not allow it to happen
[12:47] <JGJones> ie machines must allow the option to turn off otherwise it's potentially an abuse for monopoly?
[12:47] <czajkowski> /win/win 1
[12:47] <czajkowski> grrrrrr
[12:47] <czajkowski> hate this ***** keyboard
[12:49] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: I think the word you're looking for is "poo"
[12:49] <Seeker`> popey: I'm gonna have to buy a better cpu now :(
[12:49] <czajkowski> MartijnVdS: insert word as apropiate
[12:49] <czajkowski> :)
[12:49] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: oh you mean "lovely"?
[12:50] <czajkowski> it's the mac and it's tiny wee keyboard
[12:50] <MartijnVdS> So my first guess was close.. "poo", "wee" ....
[12:50] <MartijnVdS> *back to work*
[12:54] <popey> Seeker`: surprised yours at 4GHz is not as fast as a 3.4GHz one
[12:55] <gord> i want 4ghz :(
[12:56] <Seeker`> popey: depends on the integer maths stuff  I guess. If they shaved 1 clock off the time it takes to get an integer result back...
[12:56] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: we need a faster server
[12:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> huh?
[12:56] <AlanBell> http://www.hantslug.org.uk/wiki/HugoRandomBenchmark
[12:57] <AlanBell> bit surprised the 980ex isn't top
[12:57] <AlanBell> I guess it has more cores, but isn't quite as screaming fast
[12:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> When did you run that?
[12:58] <AlanBell> when we were commissioning it
[12:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ah OK - so no load to speak of
[12:58] <popey> my desktop was idle too
[12:58] <popey> other than ubuntu desktop running
[12:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> I was just doing some time trials using netcat between servers
[12:58] <popey> and 'watch -d "grep MHz /proc/cpuinfo"'
[12:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> nc is approx 33% faster than scp.
[12:59] <popey> saw most cores at 1600MHz, one at 3400MHz
[12:59] <popey> I thought it was supposed to turbo up to 3.8GHz
[12:59] <popey> I AM DISSAPOINT
[13:00] <JGJones> why can't OEM's implement an unique OS UEFI startup? To work on it, all OS must have their source opened up? #wishfulthinking #damnitjoethisisn'ttwitter
[13:00] <AlanBell> one thing I found odd was that sometimes it was faster running in a VM guest than running in the host
[13:00]  * oimon squeezed into the top 10
[13:00] <Seeker`> I was top for quite a long time
[13:01]  * gord starts looking on amazon for liquid nitrogen cooling
[13:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> real	0m6.268s My desktop
[13:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> My home server real	1m0.566s ;-)
[13:04] <popey> hehe
[13:04] <popey> I'd love to find something slower than the one at the bottom of the list
[13:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's a *downclocked* VIA C7
[13:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: run it on your nanode ;-)
[13:14]  * BigRedS swears at innodb a lot
[13:14] <gord> my phone thinks i am somewhere in the mid atlantic atm, its clock is sooo broken
[13:15] <popey> haha TheOpenSourcerer
[13:15] <AlanBell> should get a raspberry pi on the list
[13:16] <czajkowski> AlanBell: the flossie people are having me speak at their 2 day conf  in May
[13:16] <czajkowski> cheer for the intor to Paula
[13:16] <AlanBell> I know :)
[13:16] <czajkowski> *intro
[13:18] <AlanBell> it might be in Queen Mary University London
[13:20] <czajkowski> I'm sure I'll find it by then
[13:20] <czajkowski> got the link to the even if spo can you pm it to me
[13:20] <czajkowski> I got it yesterday
[13:25] <popey> its odd that there's almost no AMD CPUs on the benchmark paid
[13:25] <popey> *page
[13:26] <oimon> maybe people only bother to update when they are in the top 10
[13:27] <oimon> the non top ten entries being previous high rankers
[13:27] <oimon> or novelty entries
[13:27] <popey> i have put loads in there
[13:27] <oimon> AlanBell: what's happening maybe at queen mary?
[13:27] <popey> not just when at top
[13:28] <oimon> popey you're a bit special though
[13:28] <popey> thanks! :D
[13:55] <selinuxium> Been playing with Minus... 10GB free online storage and you get an extra gig by inviting others... :) http://min.us/rKuVgho    (well, you have to try...)
[13:59] <popey> a) is it cross platform?
[13:59] <popey> b) does it work behind proxies?
[14:09] <andylockran> what alternative cli print commands are there to lp ?
[14:09] <andylockran> i.e. - what does cups use to send the test page to the printer?
[14:18] <MartijnVdS> andylockran: it just opens a pipe to itself I guess
[14:18] <MartijnVdS> andylockran: /var/run/cups/cups.sock looks useful for that? maybe?
[14:20] <andylockran> MartijnVdS: I've got to get an old jaunty server printing to a Zebra
[14:20] <MartijnVdS> cupsPrintFiles() in libcups
[14:20] <andylockran> had to create a custom ppd and it works fine on lucid and natty
[14:21] <andylockran> lp is printing blanks
[14:21] <andylockran> well, when asked to print a pdf
[14:21] <andylockran> whereas the test page is printed fine
[14:21] <MartijnVdS> andylockran: test page could be plain .ps
[14:44] <andylockran> wahey!
[14:44] <andylockran> thanks MartijnVdS that's sorted it :p
[14:50] <oimon> i'm not sure if minus.com actually keep your data private
[14:58] <andylockran> MartijnVdS: awesome - thanks for your help :)
[15:08] <selinuxium> popey, it is multi-platform. Unsure about proxy as I haven't tried..
[15:25] <s-fox> Hello.
[15:26] <brobostigon> is it possible to put a foursquare widget on my website? by some method?
[15:28] <s-fox> brobostigon,  http://aboutfoursquare.com/highlight-your-foursquare-venue-on-your-companys-website-or-facebook-page-with-placewidget/ ?
[15:28] <brobostigon> thank you s-fox :)
[15:32] <diplo> Anyone use fail2ban on there servers ?
[15:33] <brobostigon> yes.
[15:33] <diplo> Just wondering if its worth the effort to setup, just seeing lots of attempts at ssh
[15:34] <diplo> I've got key based auth on so not getting in any time soon
[15:34] <Laney> wasn't much effort ime
[15:34] <diplo> But just thought it would be worth banning them trying
[15:34] <brobostigon> Laney: what is the alternate, in your mind?
[15:35] <Laney> alternate to what? fail2ban?
[15:35] <Laney> denyhosts? using a different port for ssh
[15:35] <brobostigon> yes
[15:35] <diplo> yeah, was debating moving ports as well
[15:35] <diplo> My router sucks though
[15:36] <diplo> Can open new ports but can't forward to different ones :/
[15:36] <oimon> fail2ban is easy and useful
[15:36] <popey> diplo: i just moved ssh to another port
[15:36] <Laney> limiting the IPs that can connect
[15:36] <Laney> various
[15:37] <diplo> I did debate about that as well popey, may just do it tonight instead
[15:37] <diplo> Skys T&C's say not to use a non Sky router
[15:38] <diplo> But may just do it anyhoo
[15:38] <gord> just means you can't get support from them without using their router
[15:38] <diplo> Friend had lots of speed issues using different routers
[15:38] <gord> me too, but that was mostly because sky are kinda crap
[15:38] <bigcalm> I replaced my parents' sky adsl router with a netgear one. Works just fine
[15:39] <diplo> Friends dropped from 8mb down to 4mb ish with 2 different routers, one being a draytek 2820
[15:41] <popey> reminds me, must reboot mu superhub and enable modem only mode
[15:42] <popey> Seeker`: oi
[15:43] <popey> Seeker`: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-scribes can you add AlanBell as an admin of that group?
[15:43] <popey> Seeker`: given he maintains meetingology, the bot people are now using
[15:46] <Seeker`> popey: able to reactivate your membership?
[15:46] <popey> I'm not a member
[15:47] <popey> i tried to join but its pending
[15:47] <popey> and only you and ausimage can fix that
[15:47] <Seeker`> ah
[15:47] <Seeker`> hmm
[15:47] <popey> and he is awol
[15:47] <popey> AIUI
[15:47] <Seeker`> I can't change people to administrators
[15:47] <popey> bah
[15:48] <popey> why not, you're an admin
[15:48] <Seeker`> only people I can change admin status on is me and ausimage
[15:48] <popey> yeah, AlanBell isnt in the team
[15:48] <popey> he tried to join but nobody approved him
[15:48] <Seeker`> he is now
[15:48] <popey> ah, so he is
[15:49] <AlanBell> o/
[15:49] <Seeker`> maybe only the owner of the group can create new admins?
[15:49] <Laney> only the owner of a team can make people admins
[15:49] <Laney> SNAP
[15:50] <AlanBell> should I move the code in there or something?
[15:50] <Seeker`> is there a process for marking people as long term missing and take control of it?
[15:50] <popey> yeah
[15:51] <popey> contact them, see if they can do it out of courtesy
[15:51] <popey> if they dont respond or tell you to go away, contact lp admins
[15:51] <popey> in #launchpad
[15:51] <Seeker`> tried contacting ausimage?
[15:51] <popey> I have not
[15:52] <geekMePlease> How can you set up network manager only handle mobile-broadband?
[15:52] <popey> would you like to, as you're admin?
[15:52] <Seeker`> sure
[15:52] <geekMePlease> * I use Wicd for my other connections
[15:52] <popey> why do you use wicd?
[15:53] <geekMePlease> popey: Yes
[15:53] <geekMePlease> popey: Because, I want to set on and off particular devices and connections
[15:54] <geekMePlease> popey: In network manager, you can set only all connections off or all connection on.
[15:54] <popey> define "connections"?
[15:54] <popey> thanks Seeker`
[15:55] <popey> geekMePlease: i can switch off wired, and switch off wifi individually
[15:55] <geekMePlease> popey: I have many wifi -connections
[15:55] <popey> you have more than one wifi device?
[15:56] <geekMePlease> popey: Yes, I am a radio-amatour
[15:57] <oimon> wow facebook just changed.
[15:58] <geekMePlease> popey: Is it possible to set up network-manager only handle mobile-broadband?
[15:59] <popey> i dont know
[15:59] <popey> i mean, yes
[15:59] <popey> you can, but I dont know how that affects wicd because I dont use wicd
[16:00] <geekMePlease> popey: I do not understand how network-manager works. Is there any file for its settings?
[16:00] <Seeker`> AlanBell: You should have been CC'd on the email I sent
[16:01] <Seeker`> AlanBell: If he doesn't respond, give me a poke after what you feel is an appropriate amount of time and I'll go speak to the guys in #launchpad
[16:02] <popey> thanks Seeker` !
[16:02] <AlanBell> thanks Seeker`
[16:07] <Seeker`> AlanBell: you now have full access (and +F) in -scribes too
[16:10] <MartijnVdS> hmm
[16:18] <AlanBell> thanks
[16:20] <diplo> Guys any advice here
[16:20] <diplo> ssh-keygen -t rsa
[16:21] <diplo> creates a pub key as expected
[16:21] <diplo> I copy that to authorized_keys
[16:21] <diplo> Not working, when I look at other keys I have put there when I arrow down over them it skips to next one each time
[16:21] <diplo> On the new one it lets me arrow down each line
[16:21] <diplo> Any thoughts...
[16:22] <diplo> Copy and paste from one to another breaking something ?
[16:22] <MartijnVdS> diplo: the keys are one very long line
[16:22] <MartijnVdS> well
[16:22] <MartijnVdS> one key per line
[16:22] <MartijnVdS> your editor might be wrapping it strangely
[16:22]  * MartijnVdS prefers ssh-copy-id these days
[16:22] <MartijnVdS> that does it for me
[16:22] <diplo> I was thinking that after typing that
[16:22] <diplo> I keep meaning to try that
[16:23] <diplo> Maybe tomorrows job, just edited the file now
[16:23] <diplo> See if that works
[16:23] <diplo> Thanks MartijnVdS
[16:24] <MartijnVdS> GGAAHH
[16:24]  * MartijnVdS shouts at Banshee
[16:24] <MartijnVdS> Method "Set" with signature "s(ii)" on interface "org.gnome.GConf.Database" doesn't exist
[16:25] <MartijnVdS> (yes I have a bug number, but it's private)
[16:25] <diplo> yeah it was that, but deo will try ssh-copy-id tomorrow
[16:25] <diplo> has that been round a while ?
[16:28] <diplo> off home
[16:28] <diplo> cya later all
[16:41] <bigcalm> !ping
[16:41] <MartijnVdS> !pong
[16:41] <bigcalm> !ding
[16:41] <MartijnVdS> !poo
[17:13] <JDmaX> hi ubuntu fans
[17:21] <daubers_> lo
[17:27]  * daubers is cold
[17:36] <PalaPad> Evening
[17:37] <majdekalel> how can i configure cgi-bin folder in ubuntu ??? im using apache2 ??????
[17:38] <PalaPad> In the httpd conf
[17:38] <majdekalel> is there any libraries i have to install to use cgi ?
[17:38] <majdekalel> or just configure cgi-bin folder ?
[17:38] <PalaPad> Or if you are using virtual hosts you can define them explicitly in the config files
[17:39] <PalaPad> I don't think you need any extra modules for cgi-bin but I have never used it so you should check
[17:59] <Lcawte> hmm, where is my java installed @ :/
[18:00] <hamitron> somewhere in /
[18:00] <hamitron> ;)
[18:07] <bigcalm> opt?
[18:11] <Lcawte> Nope, but I got it...
[18:11] <Lcawte> umm, right, why won't my permissions stay the same..
[18:12] <Lcawte> I try to give a file +x  but it keeps getting removed..
[18:14] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod
[18:19] <czajkowski> davmor2: oi oi
[18:29] <MartijnVdS> So, anyone here on oneiric? :)
[18:42]  * BigRedS is
[18:42] <czajkowski> me
[18:42] <MartijnVdS> On amd64?
[18:42] <BigRedS> yeah
[18:43] <BigRedS> well, not right now, the PC's off, but I can turn it on if you're after a test of something
[18:43] <MartijnVdS> Does flash have sound for you? While playing sound using some other app (music from banshee, video from totem, etc.)
[18:43] <BigRedS> Oooh, I'll give it a go, hang on
[18:43] <MartijnVdS> I can play multiple sounds at a time, as long as none of those is Flash
[18:48] <BigRedS> Oh man, you've just made me remember why I hardly ever turn this on :)
[18:51] <BigRedS> but, yeah, rhythmbox and iplayer can both make noise at the same time
[18:52] <MartijnVdS> hmmm
[18:52] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: latest oneiric?
[18:53] <BigRedS> ah no, just updating
[18:53] <BigRedS> I think it's about a week old
[18:53] <MartijnVdS> hmm
[18:55] <MartijnVdS> because libasound2-plugins:i386 is broken for me, and I think that provides Pulseaudio integration
[19:07] <BigRedS> yeah, even updated I can do it
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: hmm.. do you have the ia32libs package installed?
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> ia32-libs, sorry
[19:09] <BigRedS> oh, wait. I've a 686 kernel
[19:09] <BigRedS> hm, that wasn't the plan
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> that would explain :)
[19:09] <BigRedS> haha, yeah
[19:19] <N8> Hello?
[19:20] <AlanBell> hello
[19:20] <Guest84263> Hi, I'm looking for help installing ubuntu for my system
[19:20] <AlanBell> great, how far have you got with it?
[19:21] <Guest84263> I have already burned the disk, and I swapped my hard drive out for a blank one. I am in the stage of installing it right now
[19:21] <Guest84263> By the way, thank you very much for helping me
[19:22] <AlanBell> ok, shout if you have any questions as the install goes along
[19:22] <Guest84263> I'm at one of those points right now
[19:23] <Guest84263> I have started the install, and when the ubuntu logo with the 5 dots was on there for 10 minutes, It gives me this screen with 3 errors on it
[19:24] <AlanBell> 10 minutes sounds a bit long to get to the start of the installer
[19:25] <Guest84263> I don't know, but the first 2 times, I restarted because the num-lock key was not responding after 5 min.
[19:25] <AlanBell> what machine is it?
[19:26] <Guest84263> Kinda one I built out of legacy components. :/  Runs great on windows, though
[19:26] <AlanBell> processor? graphics?
[19:26] <AlanBell> ram
[19:27] <Guest84263> old socket 7, 950 mhz. Um, Intel Coppermine, graphics card (old) .5 gig. sdram (also old)
[19:27] <AlanBell> well that explains the 10 minutes :)
[19:28] <Guest84263> yeah. I tweaked up windows so it would run smooth, so I kinda forgot how old it was
[19:28] <AlanBell> that is a pentium 3 right?
[19:28] <Guest84263> what do you mean?
[19:29] <AlanBell> the coppermine chip
[19:29] <Guest84263> yes. I have several others on my desk Lol.
[19:29] <Guest84263> 950 Mhz. socket 7
[19:32] <Guest84263> You there?
[19:33] <AlanBell> yeah
[19:33] <Guest84263> Do you want me to tell you what the error messages are?
[19:33] <AlanBell> I think that might technically be below the hardware requirements, I was just checking them
[19:33] <AlanBell> however it should work
[19:33] <AlanBell> slowly
[19:33] <AlanBell> what are the errors then?
[19:34] <AlanBell> even if it does work I think you would enjoy Ubuntu a lot more on a more modern machine, even an Atom motherboard with intel graphics or something would be fine
[19:35] <AlanBell> and there is a good chance the old graphics card is not supported now
[19:35] <Guest84263> I know, but I can't afford that kind of stuff. Lol And I'm more into the code, and windows is very buggy sometimes
[19:35] <Guest84263> So I have to make do with what I have
[19:36] <AlanBell> try freecycle
[19:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> I installed Ubuntu 10.10 on an old 500Mhz PIII laptop (256M RAM) at the weekend over the network (PXE boot)
[19:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> Worked OK.
[19:36] <AlanBell> interesting to know
[19:36] <Pernig> i ran an Ubuntu live CD on a 800Mhz Pentium 3
[19:36] <Guest84263> Yeah, windows will even work on a 300 mhz. computer with 256 meg. Ram
[19:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> The chap bought me two pints for doing it! Yay free beer! :-D
[19:37] <Guest84263> So I bet that ubuntu should run on my old clunker, right?
[19:37] <Pernig> Guest: have you considered any of the versions with lighter desktop environments?
[19:37] <AlanBell> Guest84263: windows 7?
[19:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> Probably Guest84263 although it's a bit hard to tell but you should get some error messages or something rather than just 10 minutes of dots...
[19:38] <Guest84263> I could not boot from usb, so I had to burn a disc, and I just got the newest.
[19:38] <Guest84263> HOW DO YOU CHANGE YOUR NICKNAME??
[19:38] <AlanBell>  /nick nameyouwant
[19:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> It might be worth trying the "alternate" cd. It uses a text based installer.
[19:38] <Pernig> i recommend Lubuntu
[19:39] <AlanBell> but you can't have a nick that someone else has
[19:39] <AlanBell> ni natesky9
[19:39] <AlanBell> hi even
[19:39] <natesky9> Yes. I hate being faceless
[19:39] <Pernig> haha
[19:40] <natesky9> ok, I had it run for 10 minutes, and it seemed like it was reading the disc, then it does this wierd thing where it fills top-left corner with random letter
[19:40] <natesky9> first it was Q, now it is U
[19:41] <natesky9> says busybox, and operates just like MS-DOS
[19:43] <natesky9> ~And for the record, I currently can not try another os at the moment. I am out of discs, and it will not load from flash drive
[19:44] <natesky9> Hello?
[19:45] <AlanBell> try typing "exit"
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: if it's busybox, that probably means it can't find the root fs
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> which tends to be Bad®
[19:45] <AlanBell> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=879993
[19:46] <natesky9> whoa! tried that, it said that it could not find the directory of like, 15 files
[19:48] <natesky9> so what do  do if it keeps bringing me to busybox when I try installing it from the cd?
[19:49] <geekMePlease> Is this: iwconfig wlan0 key off, the right way to disable one of your wifis?
[19:49] <geekMePlease> * it does not seem to have any effect
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> geekMePlease: no, it only disables encryption
[19:50] <AlanBell> natesky9: well you can try the boot options in the forums post I linked to, or upgrade the hardware a bit
[19:50] <geekMePlease> MartijnVdS: What is the right way?
[19:50] <geekMePlease> MartijnVdS: permanent
[19:50] <natesky9> when do I hit F6 to bring up grub?
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> geekMePlease: do you want to completely disable it? or just disable it for the current boot?
[19:51] <geekMePlease> MartijnVdS: Completely, I have two cards
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> geekMePlease: pull one out ;)
[19:51] <geekMePlease> MartijnVdS: Not possible now.
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> geekMePlease: does the laptop have a wifi on/off switch?
[19:51] <geekMePlease> MartijnVdS: No
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> rfkill - tool for enabling and disabling wireless devices
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> geekMePlease: you want to look at that tool
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> geekMePlease: apt-cache show rfkill
[19:53] <natesky9> when it boots, where do I hit F6 to bring up the GRUB?
[19:53] <geekMePlease> MartijnVdS: Thank you! Need to google a bit about its parameters.
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> geekMePlease: "rfkill" is what the function you want is called :)
[19:55] <natesky9> Hello?
[19:58] <natesky9> Can someone help me?
[20:01] <natesky9> Hello?
[20:02] <natesky9> Can someone help me?
[20:06] <Pernig> natesky9: what's up?
[20:07] <Myrtti> he left
[20:07] <Pernig> oh aye
[20:08] <natesky9> Hello, is anybody there?
[20:10] <geekMePlease> MartijnVdS: Network-manager takes the rfkill block out if I use it.
[20:11] <geekMePlease> MartijnVdS: I put rfkill block $IP-Wlan0 to startup-scripts
[20:11] <geekMePlease> How can you configure which devices Network-manager use?
[20:13] <natesky9> Hello?
[20:15] <geekMePlease> MartijnVdS: lol, http://askubuntu.com/questions/3677/disable-wireless-on-startup
[20:16] <AlanBell> well that was a big crash I just had
[20:16] <AlanBell> natesky9: hi
[20:16] <AlanBell> natesky9: so when you see the keyboard and person symbol, hit space and you should get to a menu
[20:16] <AlanBell> not entirely sure you can set the options you want there
[20:17] <AlanBell> I tried it in a virtual machine and ended up running myself out of memory and ended up rebooting my laptop
[20:18] <natesky9> Oh, Had to reboot. Mine froze after 10 minutes
[20:19] <natesky9> Is there a way we can chat w/o seeing everything else?
[20:20] <AlanBell> no, unless you want to pay my consultancy rates :)
[20:21] <natesky9> You there?
[20:22] <AlanBell> there are lots of people here, and I am in 56 other channels with many parallel conversations in progress
[20:22] <natesky9> Oh, ok
[20:23] <natesky9> Trying to reboot my computer to boot on cd, but it keeps doing network boot even though I have it on last priority
[20:24] <natesky9> I got the menu up, what should I go to?  (never would have figured this out)
[20:25] <AlanBell> space, then enter to select english, then f6 to get the other options menu
[20:27] <AlanBell> check the acpi=off and noapic options and press escape to get out of that menu
[20:27] <AlanBell> then type in the rest of the line the forum post was on about
[20:27] <AlanBell> all_generic_ide pci=nomsi
[20:27] <AlanBell> so you add that bit ^^ to the end of the line of boot options
[20:28] <AlanBell> and hit return to boot I think
[20:28] <AlanBell> and wait and hope, and if it doesn't work, get a new computer :)
[20:28] <natesky9> or more likele, make one. Lol
[20:28] <natesky9> *likely
[20:29] <natesky9> Well, right now I think it's froze, I have to wait for it
[20:35] <natesky9> well, it's reading the disk right now, I'm not sure if it's working.
[20:41] <gord> http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=11075 that is kind of an expensive but to reproduce
[20:41] <Azelphur> indeed
[20:42] <popey> haha
[20:46] <natesky9> how do I keep it from booting up in UNDI?
[20:46] <natesky9> never mind, I got it up in the menu
[20:50] <natesky9> Hey Alen, you there?
[22:07] <bigcalm> And, relax
[22:45] <samm> HazRPG: Hey man. Is Facebook on Pidgin not working for you?
[22:45] <samm> HazRPG: Since today I'm getting the error message "Not Authorized" and I can't use XMPP :(
[22:46] <Pernig> samm: i am connected to Facebook chat via xmpp right now
[22:46] <samm> Pernig: Hmmm I wonder what my problem is then
[22:47] <samm> I have been poked by several people over a year ago, is it time to respond yet?
[22:47] <Pernig> well i am using kopete so i guess it rules out the service having changed
[22:49] <samm> Arghhh I hate this stupid "Not Authorized" message
[22:49] <samm> I want to chat
[22:52] <Pernig> it would be interesting to know if any other pidgin users can get on
[22:53] <samm> Pernig: I've fixed it
[22:53] <samm> Pernig: The solution was to log out of Facebook, and type my username in instead of my email address
[22:53] <Pernig> cool
[22:53] <samm> Pernig: I asked HazRPG because I know he uses FB on Pidgin


[17:39] <Dr_Memory> so once upon a time, I had a multipart mime cloudinit script in ec2 userdata that worked just fine on both lucid and precise: http://pastebin.com/8WPmCmAQ
[17:40] <Dr_Memory> on saucy, however, it appears to do... nothing.
[17:41] <Dr_Memory> the log output on saucy: http://pastebin.com/PY2jeRSk
[17:43] <Dr_Memory> the text/cloud-init section of the mime blob does not seem to have been written out anywhere under /var/lib/cloud, which I'm guessing is the problem?  But it's unclear to me why.
[17:44] <Dr_Memory> any pointers, even if to the relevant sections of TFM, would be appreciated. :)
[18:02]  * Dr_Memory drops a pin :)
[18:15] <kwadronaut> sssht! in the changelog i see one -maybe- relevant piece touched between precise and saucy, might want to have a closer look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1065116
[18:16] <kwadronaut> this channel isn't very active, btw, patience helps. or a bug, mail, ..
[18:25] <Dr_Memory> kwadronaut: thanks.  I realized after pin-dropping that most ppl here were on the plus side of GMT, so I will be patient. :)
[18:29] <Dr_Memory> (also not sure 1065116 is relevant on first blush -- I don't see a KeyError anywhere in cloud-init.log)
[18:32] <kwadronaut> I took that pin and threw it in a haystack. but you're probably right, wrong guess of me.
[19:43] <harlowja> also i think that smoser and i will be travelling soon to, so it might get even more quiet
[19:45] <harlowja> Dr_Memory i'd be useful to know whats in /var/lib/cloud/instances/i-fa2e879e/user-data.txt
[19:45] <harlowja> if u want to share
[19:45] <Dr_Memory> harlowja: just a sec
[19:46] <harlowja> the debug logs look ok, just as u said, not seeing any mime writing really
[19:46] <harlowja> or much other file writing
[19:46] <harlowja> which seems off
[19:47] <smoser> Dr_Memory, it doen't look terribly unreasonable.
[19:47] <Dr_Memory> harlowja: just a sec
[19:47] <Dr_Memory> http://pastebin.com/WwDY5MTZ
[19:48] <Dr_Memory> (I've been fiddling a bit and this is a new instance from the last one I tried, but the behavior has been the same.
[19:48] <Dr_Memory> )
[19:48] <smoser> user-data.txt.i
[19:48] <Dr_Memory> (possibly of note: there is no newline at the end of the last mime header there?)
[19:48] <Dr_Memory> ls: cannot access /var/lib/cloud/instance/user-data.txt.i: No such file or directory
[19:50] <smoser> Dr_Memory, /var/log/cloud-init.klog
[19:50] <smoser> s/klog/log
[19:51] <harlowja> ya, the full contents of that log file should give us the dirty details
[19:51] <harlowja> *or not so dirty
[19:52] <Dr_Memory> just a sec :)
[19:53] <Dr_Memory> the log: http://pastebin.com/BTjQw2Vg
[19:53] <Dr_Memory> or rather, that's the log from the last reboot -- if you like I can spawn a new instance and get a clean log
[19:55] <Dr_Memory> I tried, in desperation, putting the "cloud_final_modules:" stanza into /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/99_final.cfg (and then rm -rf /var/lib/cloud; reboot), which is why you see it referenced in the logs there.
[19:56] <utlemming> smoser: just pinged you privately
[19:57] <harlowja> np dr. a clean instance log might be the best i think
[19:57] <Dr_Memory> harlowja: figured.  on moment, por favor :)
[19:58] <Dr_Memory> (cloudformation is thinking... thinking... thinking...)
[19:59] <harlowja> more thinkin
[19:59] <Dr_Memory> (AWS gears grind slowly, but they grind exceedingly... slow.)
[20:01] <Dr_Memory> okay, virgin log: http://pastebin.com/FrpZp8ir
[20:02] <Dr_Memory> user-data.txt still the same.  user-data.txt.i still nonexistent.
[20:05] <harlowja> damn, who put all this merging logs, hahaha
[20:06] <harlowja> :-/
[20:07] <harlowja> like it seems to be doing stuff
[20:08] <harlowja> is https://org.blank.bootstrap.s3.amazonaws.co ok?
[20:08] <harlowja> not sure what thats supposed to return for u
[20:08] <Dr_Memory> yeah, I can manually grab that URL with curl/wget
[20:08] <Dr_Memory> it returns a #!/bin/sh file
[20:08] <harlowja> k
[20:11]  * harlowja scanning codes
[20:12] <Dr_Memory> like so:
[20:12] <Dr_Memory> http://pastebin.com/kififAdN
[20:14] <harlowja> sure
[20:14] <Dr_Memory> huh.  I wonder if some library got more strict about certificate alt name validation between precise and saucy?
[20:15] <Dr_Memory> although there's nothing in the cloudinit log to suggest that fetching that url failed
[20:16] <harlowja> ya
[20:16] <harlowja> it seems to have worked, although it didn't write out the right file
[20:17] <harlowja> what does 'ls /var/lib/cloud/instance/' show?
[20:17] <harlowja> or 'find  /var/lib/cloud/instance/'
[20:17] <Dr_Memory> holy shit
[20:17] <Dr_Memory> I just s/https/http/
[20:17] <Dr_Memory> ...and it worked
[20:18] <harlowja> hmmmm
[20:18] <Dr_Memory> *facepalm*
[20:18] <harlowja> if u also try #include-once this will write out a file
[20:18] <harlowja> that file writing should showup in the log
[20:19] <harlowja> just #include just loads it into memory
[20:19] <harlowja> *no log
[20:19] <Dr_Memory> ah, interesting
[20:19] <harlowja> although ssh/not ssh is odd
[20:19] <harlowja> *https/not https
[20:20] <harlowja> (brainfart)
[20:20] <Dr_Memory> well, S3 signed urls are kinda special
[20:20] <Dr_Memory> they end up being https://bucketname.s3.amazonaws.com/
[20:20] <harlowja> hmmm
[20:20] <Dr_Memory> and if your bucketname has dots in it: https://bucket.name.s3.amazonaws.com/
[20:20] <Dr_Memory> which doesn't match their wildcard cert
[20:21] <harlowja> hehe, u out of my area of expertise :-P openstack doesn't have these ;)
[20:22] <Dr_Memory> is this worth a bug report?
[20:23] <harlowja> smoser what do u think
[20:23] <Dr_Memory> arguably "don't provide https include urls to sites that don't provide a correct certificate" is a "doctor it hurts when I do this" issue
[20:23] <harlowja> it does seem like odd behavior
[20:23] <Dr_Memory> but the logging could definitely have been better in this case :(
[20:23] <harlowja> def
[20:23] <Dr_Memory> and the behavior is, if not a regression, certainly a change
[20:24] <harlowja> ya, we switched to using the requests library, which is more strict about this stuff
[20:24] <harlowja> although i would have expected some log to
[20:25] <harlowja> i'd be fine with a bug, but smoser might think otherwise
[20:25] <harlowja> http://www.python-requests.org/en/latest/
[20:39] <smoser> what was the issue there ?
[20:39] <smoser> you effectively had an invalid cert ?
[20:40] <Dr_Memory> smoser: not 100% sure, but when I changed the #include url from https://org.blank.bootstrap.s3.amazon.com/ to http:// suddenly everything just worked.
[20:40] <Dr_Memory> and yes: amazon has a wildcard cert for *.s3.amazonaws.com but wildcard certs AFAIK can't cover sub-subdomains.
[20:49] <smoser> the can i think
[20:49] <smoser> it'd seem like possibly a bug in python-requests
[20:49] <smoser> or possibly its doing the right thing
[20:49] <smoser> i'm not sure.
[20:51] <Dr_Memory> yeah
[20:52] <Dr_Memory> if nothing else, I feel like the log should have told us a bit more about what was going on