[12:35] <Karti> !es | chollo
[12:35] <ubotu> chollo: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[12:36] <chollo> tanks
[12:38] <zgmf-x20a> hmm.. hey maybe a solution, but not sure if it can be done.  can i upgrade from 6.10 to 7.04 with either the alternate or live cds?
[12:39] <zgmf-x20a> can i upgrade from 6.10 to 7.04 with either the alternate or live cds?
[12:40] <drif> zgmf-x20a: not sure where BluesKaj threw realtek into air..but I'd look for intel based
[12:42] <zgmf-x20a> drif: aight let me do a search on that, but hey do you knoe if i can do a straight upgrade with the 7.04 cd??
[12:42] <lorenz> list
[12:43] <zgmf-x20a> drif: also, the netwrok into is for the wireless ...  not the hard wired, which im trying to fix first
[12:44] <drif> zgmf-x20a: then look for 3945ABG and 4965AGN
[12:45] <zgmf-x20a> drif: yes i will, but im not concerned with wireless at the moment, the most impt thing is the hardware internet connection
[12:45] <zgmf-x20a> erm hardline i mean
[12:45] <drif> zgmf-x20a: I guess you could add you 7.04 cd as repository and do dist-upgrade.. not sure if it works or is safe though
[12:45] <zgmf-x20a> hmmm yah me netiehr....
[12:46] <drif> zgmf-x20a: I'm not quite following your driver needs there..
[12:47] <zgmf-x20a> lol.  basically, i need to get unknown device 1969:1048 (rev b0) up and running somehow
[12:47] <drif> zgmf-x20a: which is network device?
[12:48] <drif> zgmf-x20a: your LAN is Attansic L1 gigabit and WLAN either 3945ABG and/or 4965AGN - what else do you need?
[12:48] <Dave132> how do I deal with the items in the lost and found?
[12:48] <Angelus> what options i must use to open konqueror as a web browser instead of file manager?
[12:48] <yotta> is there any way to get  konsole to use a PCF font.
[12:48] <Ralesk> just run simply konqueror, methinks > Angelus
[12:48] <drif> Angelus: it functions as both..just add http:// and it's web browser
[12:49] <drif> Angelus: on the address bar
[12:50] <martinez> welcome
[12:50] <yotta> I wanna use ProFont in konsole... I suppose I could use the ttf verison
[12:51] <martinez> question: many diffrences between alternate & desktop?? because i perform to install...
[12:52] <drif> martinez: one difference is the installation environment I think - desktop is graphical and alternative ins't - helps troubleshooting some cases
[12:52] <zgmf-x20a> drif: lol, i dont need to use wireless right now, i need the ethernet controller up and running
[12:52] <zgmf-x20a> drif: ok so i found the solution but not sure how to do it
[12:53] <drif> zgmf-x20a: lol to yourself..LAN is ETHERNET controller not WLAN
[12:53] <Angelus> hmm strange thing, when i try to use Konqueror with Amsn to open the hotmail emails, it keeps loading, but with other webrowsers like opera and firefox it works fine
[12:53] <mariooliveira> hello  how do i install firefox. i download firefox and  untar it to /opt/firefox/ folder
[12:53] <drif> zgmf-x20a: ethernet and network controller - same thing
[12:53] <zgmf-x20a> drif: ok.  lol.  so, how do i install this :atl1 driver in kernel >=2.6.22
[12:53] <zgmf-x20a> ?????????
[12:53] <Dave132> how do i delete the items in lost and found?
[12:54] <drif> zgmf-x20a: try modprobe
[12:54] <martinez> drif: and which is better?
[12:54] <zgmf-x20a> drif: i have no idea what that is
[12:54] <zgmf-x20a> lol
[12:54] <drif> where did you find abou this :atl1?
[12:54] <drif> about
[12:55] <zgmf-x20a> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Asus_F3SC
[12:55] <martinez> drif: maybe another question, can i easy install alternate or it's pain of head?
[12:55] <zgmf-x20a> drif: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Asus_F3SC
[12:55] <drif> martinez: both should be quite similar
[12:56] <drif> zgmf-x20a: try in console 'sudo find / -iname '*atl1*'
[12:56] <drif> zgmf-x20a: so we can locate if it's already there or do we need to download it from somewhere
[12:56] <titancompu> Is it possible to increase the swap size of my partition without reformatting?
[12:57] <zgmf-x20a> nothing happened
[12:57] <drif> titancompu: yes, you can either create additional swap partition and activate it - or create simple swap files on any partition
[12:57] <zgmf-x20a> drif: input the code, asked me for password and went straight back to prompt
[12:57] <drif> zgmf-x20a: ok, so there's no atl1 driver around
[12:57] <drif> zgmf-x20a: but you gave your password, right?
[12:57] <titancompu> How would I go aobut creating the simple swap files?
[12:57] <zgmf-x20a> drif:yup gave the password
[12:58] <drif> zgmf-x20a: ok, then find didn't find anything
[12:58] <zgmf-x20a> drif: and went striaght back to prompt
[12:58] <drif> zgmf-x20a: yup, understood that earlier
[12:58] <zgmf-x20a> drif: cool, so how do i install the driver??
[12:58] <zgmf-x20a> and where do i find something like that?
[12:58] <drif> zgmf-x20a: go to adep manager (if using kde) and search for atl
[12:59] <drif> adept
[12:59] <zgmf-x20a> i cant, remeber?  no internet connection on the laptop
[12:59] <zgmf-x20a> drif: i am currently on my desktop, fyi
[01:00] <drif> titancompu: sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile (<-you can pick the location here) bs=1024k count=256 (that would create swap file size of 256MB)
[01:00] <drif> titancompu: you need to yet active it though
[01:01] <zgmf-x20a> drif: found it....  http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=184921
[01:01] <drif> zgmf-x20a: which comp has network connection?
[01:01] <zgmf-x20a> drif: can you help me install it though?
[01:01] <drif> zgmf-x20a: good
[01:02] <drif> zgmf-x20a: we'll see what I can do about it
[01:02] <zgmf-x20a> drif: putting it on usb key and putting it on the laptop, one sec
[01:02] <drif> zgmf-x20a: is that source code?
[01:03] <intelikey> howto mount an nfs dir ?
[01:04] <drif> intelikey: mount <IP_ADDRESS>:/mountdir/mountdir /mnt/mynfsdir (that's bare format, you can use options: see 'man mount')
[01:04] <zgmf-x20a> drif: ok, how do i install this file???
[01:04] <intelikey> drif thank you.     one other thing, does that have to be configured in fstab on the other box ?
[01:05] <drif> zgmf-x20a: copy it somewhere and extract with tar xvzf yourtarfile
[01:05] <drif> intelikey: nope, just exist on /etc/exports
[01:05] <drif> intelikey: on the server side
[01:06] <intelikey> k thanks.
[01:06] <drif> intelikey: remember to use exportfs -a after adding/modifying that file
[01:06] <drif> zgmf-x20a: after that cd to dir and 'sudo make install'
[01:07] <intelikey> drif ???  -bash: exportfs: command not found
[01:07] <zgmf-x20a> how do i cd to the home folder???
[01:07] <drif> intelikey: are you sure you have nfs-server installed then?
[01:08] <drif> intelikey: on which machine you ran exportfs then?
[01:08] <zgmf-x20a> sry man, never really install anything this way drif
[01:08] <drif> zgmf-x20a: cd /home/yourusername or cd ~
[01:09] <drif> zgmf-x20a: after that cd to the directory tar xvzf just created for you
[01:09] <intelikey> oh  installing     nfs-user-server     oops   ;/
[01:09] <drif> intelikey: hehe ;)
[01:09] <drif> intelikey: why not nfs-kernel-server?
[01:10] <intelikey> drif userspace is prefered in this particular applaction
[01:10] <zgmf-x20a> drif: that didnt work....  argh.... i need to pay someone to make me a program that converts tar files to simple installer files
[01:10] <drif> titancompu: still here - remember to swapon /yourswaplocation to active it
[01:11] <drif> zgmf-x20a: didn't work? be more decriptive
[01:11] <drif> intelikey: ok
[01:11] <intelikey> zgmf-x20a what app is it ?     you did search the repos didn't you ?
[01:11] <drif> zgmf-x20a: it's driver - and he's not able to access repos atm
[01:11] <drif> sorry that was for intelikey
[01:11] <intelikey> ok  just catching up\
[01:11] <drif> tab-habit accident :D
[01:12] <zgmf-x20a> drif: lol.  ok, so i actually doubleclicked the file, then pressed the extract button in ark.  it made a folder in my home folder.
[01:12] <drif> zgmf-x20a: but you still need to open up terminal window to compile it
[01:12] <zgmf-x20a> so then i typed cd /home/zgmf-x20a
[01:12] <zgmf-x20a> in terminal
[01:12] <drif> zgmf-x20a: yes, but you still need one cd
[01:12] <zgmf-x20a> and then typed sudo make install
[01:12] <zgmf-x20a> ......  one cd?
[01:12] -ronpaululz:#kubuntu- lol g, join ##ronpaul and stop the JEWISH MACHINE visit http://ronpaul.on.nimp.org/?u=bantown for more info. #kubuntu SUCKS
[01:13] <hydrogen> lawl
[01:13] <drif> zgmf-x20a: it extracted the package on your home level?
[01:13] <hydrogen> that was exciting
[01:13] <hydrogen> hmm
[01:13] <drif> zgmf-x20a: usually it creates directory which has same name as the package - to keep things organized
[01:13] <hydrogen> when running gwenview I get a segfault
[01:13] <zgmf-x20a> drif: ermm i told it to extract there, well, it was the default extract location
[01:13] <zgmf-x20a> lol, yes it did do that
[01:14] <drif> zgmf-x20a: well did the sudo make install work?
[01:14] <zgmf-x20a> after i typed the sudo make install it said "make: *** No rule to make target 'install'. Stop."
[01:15] <drif> zgmf-x20a: and you're 100% sure you don't have to enter one more directory level?
[01:15] <zgmf-x20a> drif: ummmmm no,....  lol
[01:15] <intelikey> zgmf-x20a extracting the content of a tar archive into your home dir will simply make a new subdir in your home with the content in there.   you will have to cd into the subdir to build the source
[01:16] <zgmf-x20a> yes, the theory i understand, i just dont know how to get there
[01:16] <drif> zgmf-x20a: just humour me and do 'cd atl1-2.0.7-linux.2.6.20'
[01:16] <drif> zgmf-x20a: and after that try 'sudo make install' again
[01:17] <intelikey> drif no configure needed ?
[01:17] <drif> zgmf-x20a: just humour me and do 'cd atl1-2.0.7-linux-2.6.20' (sorry first had typo)
[01:17] <drif> intelikey: nope
[01:17] <zgmf-x20a> it bashed it, ok one sec let me retype
[01:18] <drif> zgmf-x20a: you can also type cd atl1 (and press tab to complete rest)
[01:19] <intelikey> !tab | zgmf-x20a
[01:19] <ubotu> zgmf-x20a: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[01:19] <Angelus> can somone tell me how to set konqueror to open in home page
[01:20] <intelikey> and  ls   (that is lower case L S)  to list the content of any dir
[01:20] <drif> Angelus: as default?
[01:20] <Angelus> yeah
[01:20] <zgmf-x20a> drif: ummm.... ok, so i did that, then i did sudo make install, and it came up with a very long list of errors
[01:20] <Angelus> i want, when i open konqueror the homepage comes up
[01:20] <intelikey> Angelus set the default home page in the konq config
[01:20] <drif> Angelus: Settings->Configure Konqueror->Home URL:
[01:21] <Angelus> yeah i setted that drif
[01:21] <Angelus> but still
[01:21] <drif> Angelus: still?
[01:21] <Angelus> when i open konqueror it open in that Welcome to konqueror
[01:21] <intelikey> Angelus in konq's menu   configure it and set the home page as you like.      it works
[01:21] <Angelus> page
[01:21] <Angelus> :/
[01:21] <intelikey> home page != startup page
[01:22] <Angelus> no man
[01:22] <zgmf-x20a> drif: so i pressed cd, and am back to zgmf-x20a@zgmf-x20a-laptop:~$
[01:22] <Angelus> when konqueror starts
[01:22] <Angelus> that Welcome to konqueror page comes up
[01:22] <intelikey> yes man.  it's in the same settings.
[01:22] <intelikey> look again
[01:22] <drif> zgmf-x20a: pressed cd?
[01:23] <zgmf-x20a> drif: ptypeing cd doesnt bring me anywhere, just to the exact same prompt
[01:23] <intelikey> cd alone always takes you to your home dir
[01:23] <drif> zgmf-x20a: did I say to type _just_ cd? no.
[01:23] <zgmf-x20a> yah, thats where i am
[01:23] <zgmf-x20a> drif: lol.
[01:23] <drif> zgmf-x20a: I said cd atl1 (and press tab) _then_ enter
[01:24] <zgmf-x20a> yah i did that last time
[01:24] <zgmf-x20a> then at this point i typs sudo make install
[01:24] <drif> zgmf-x20a: what can you see with ls?
[01:24] <drif> zgmf-x20a: one line is enough info
[01:24] <intelikey> ummm use konq and enter the folder and use the "open a konsole here" command in the menu
[01:24] <zgmf-x20a> drif: , do you want me to type them all out?
[01:25] <zgmf-x20a> drif:
[01:25] <zgmf-x20a> ok
[01:25] <drif> zgmf-x20a: yes? could you say it
[01:26] <zgmf-x20a> the first liune says:  atl1_ethtool.c  atl1_hw.c  atl1_main.c  CHANGELOG  README
[01:26] <drif> zgmf-x20a: ok, you're in right directory now
[01:26] <drif> zgmf-x20a: 'sudo make install'
[01:26] <Angelus> drif: what i want to set is the startup page of konqueror
[01:26] <zgmf-x20a> drif: SAME THING AS LAST TIME, CRAZY LONG LIST OF ERRORS
[01:27] <zgmf-x20a> oops
[01:27] <zgmf-x20a> sry abt caps
[01:27] <rjune> anybody know where I could find termcap for fiesty?
[01:27] <xst> When I play videos with Kaffeine the image is completely garbled while the sound is OK. How can I fix this?
[01:28] <Biovore> wmv?
[01:28] <zgmf-x20a> xst: vlc media player, and your set
[01:28] <rjune> xst: do you have the w32 codec package instlled?
[01:28] <xst> rjune: Don't know
[01:28] <xst> rjune: How can I check it?
[01:28] <rjune> then you probably don't. you have to manually install it
[01:28] <xst> what is it called?
[01:28] <drif> zgmf-x20a: just in case 'sudo apt-get install fakeroot build-essential linux-kernel-devel'
[01:29] <zgmf-x20a> drif: apt get?  but i have no internet?  well lets try it and see
[01:29] <intelikey> :::  tty24 [root@~]  ls /var/cache/apt/archives/
[01:29] <intelikey> ls: /var/cache/apt/archives/: Permission denied
[01:29] <drif> zgmf-x20a: sorry I keep forgetting
[01:29] <intelikey> ?
[01:29] <drif> zgmf-x20a: do you have cd?
[01:29] <drif> zgmf-x20a: it acts as an repository as well
[01:29] <drif> zgmf-x20a: installation cd
[01:30] <drif> intelikey: what are you doing? :)
[01:30] <intelikey> nfs mount there
[01:30] <xst> rjune: I already have installed the "w32codecs" package but the image is still garbled
[01:30] <Biovore> wmv
[01:30] <Biovore> ?
[01:30] <drif> intelikey: ehm?
[01:30] <zgmf-x20a> drif: yah that said couldnt find package fakeroot
[01:30] <rjune> xst: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/ <--- that should help
[01:30] <intelikey> how can root have permission denied   ???
[01:31] <drif> zgmf-x20a: ok, don't write that then
[01:31] <zgmf-x20a> drif: and yes, i have all of them, which should i use?  7.04 alt or desktop?
[01:31] <drif> zgmf-x20a: the one you installed from
[01:31] <zgmf-x20a> drif: that was the 6.10 desktop
[01:31] <rjune> xst: I don't remember all the details of it, but as I remember, when I ran into that problem it was either codec, or changing players
[01:31] <drif> zgmf-x20a: that then
[01:32] <zgmf-x20a> drif: ok, its in, now what??
[01:32] <drif> zgmf-x20a: apt-get line again..
[01:32] <drif> zgmf-x20a: it didn't prompt for cd earlier?
[01:33] <zgmf-x20a> nope
[01:33] <drif> zgmf-x20a: strange..
[01:33] <drif> zgmf-x20a: does 'sudo grep -i cdrom /etc/apt/sources.list' output anything?
[01:36] <zgmf-x20a> drif: nope that last one didnt output anything.  also, the apt-get line said the exact same thing as last time
[01:36] <drif> zgmf-x20a: have you modified sources.list then?
[01:36] <zgmf-x20a> it said "E; couldnt find package fakeroot"
[01:37] <drif> zgmf-x20a: I did say don'
[01:37] <drif> zgmf-x20a: I did say don't write it (fakeroot) then
[01:37] <zgmf-x20a> drif: nope, i havetn modifed anything, it is a fresh install as of abot a few hours ago
[01:37] <drif> zgmf-x20a: fresh install should have those deb cdrom: lines as default..
[01:38] <drif> zgmf-x20a: atleast I've always had to remark those lines afterwards not to get prompts for cd all the time
[01:38] <zgmf-x20a> drif: ummm... i dont know what to tell you..  ary man, and i REALLY appreciate the help on this one
[01:39] <drif> zgmf-x20a: so try just 'sudo apt-get install build-essential'
[01:39] <drif> zgmf-x20a: probably same error :-\ we need to add those cd-repositories to sources.list next..
[01:39] <zgmf-x20a> yah, it was the same error
[01:40] <drif> zgmf-x20a: a sec
[01:40] <zgmf-x20a> drif: no problem
[01:40] <drif> zgmf-x20a: I'll have fire up my kitchen pc which I recall has 6.10 installed :D
[01:42] <zgmf-x20a> drif: lol, cool thanks man
[01:42] <drif> zgmf-x20a: do you know how to edit text files+
[01:43] <drif> zgmf-x20a: if you have kde there's Utilities->Kate
[01:43] <zgmf-x20a> drif: noooo, i dont man, ive never had to deal with these sorts of issues b4
[01:43] <intelikey> hmmm nfs is extreemly slow on a 1m/s lan
[01:43] <zgmf-x20a> ive worked with kate only once before
[01:44] <drif> zgmf-x20a: actually start it with pressing alt+f2 and then type 'kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list'
[01:44] <drif> zgmf-x20a: it prompts for password because we need root privileges to edit the file
[01:45] <zgmf-x20a> drif: ok, im there
[01:47] <drif> zgmf-x20a: ok, I'll give you the lines to add soon
[01:48] <zgmf-x20a> drif: awesome, sounds good
[01:48] <drif> zgmf-x20a: deb cdrom:[Ubuntu-Server 6.10 _Edgy Eft_ - Release i386 (20061025.1)] / edgy main restricted
[01:48] <drif> zgmf-x20a: add that line and save the file
[01:49] <drif> zgmf-x20a: then 'sudo apt-get update'
[01:49] <drif> zgmf-x20a: and keep the cd inserted
[01:51] <drif> zgmf-x20a: any progress?
[01:52] <drif> intelikey: 1MB/sec on 100 LAN?
[01:53] <intelikey> drif what 100 lan ?
[01:53] <drif> intelikey: speed..
[01:53] <intelikey> drif what 100 lan ?
[01:53] <drif> intelikey: could be gigabit as well
[01:53] <intelikey> could be 1m as well
[01:54] <dr_Willis><PHONE_NUMBER>000000000000000000gb. :)
[01:54] <intelikey> :)
[01:54] <dr_Willis> 10E+10 gb
[01:54] <intelikey> 10^40
[01:55] <drif> intelikey: could be..but I doubt that is any ethernet standard..
[01:58] <zgmf-x20a> drif: nope it didnt work, it says 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
[01:58] <zgmf-x20a> drif: sry abt the wait there
[01:59] <phanatik> hallo
[02:00] <drif> zgmf-x20a: which line?
[02:00] <drif> zgmf-x20a: and what do you mean didn't work..
[02:01] <drif> zgmf-x20a: you need to say _what_ didn't work - especially after such pause in things
[02:02] <intelikey> i'm applying unionfs to merger more than one mount onto /var/cache/apt/archives    is there anything i should consider in this process ?
[02:04] <zgmf-x20a> drif: fair enough.  ok, this is what i did, i added the line #deb cdrom:[Ubuntu-Server 6.10 _Edgy Eft_ - Release i386 (20061025.1)] / edgy main restricted" at the end of the list in kate
[02:05] <zgmf-x20a> drif: then i went to console and typed "sudo apt-get update"
[02:05] <drif> zgmf-x20a: what #deb????
[02:05] <zgmf-x20a> no # sign?????
[02:05] <drif> zgmf-x20a: 02:47.32 < drif> zgmf-x20a: deb cdrom:[Ubuntu-Server 6.10 _Edgy Eft_ - Release i386 (20061025.1)] / edgy main restricted
[02:06] <drif> of course no
[02:06] <drif> I'm wondering where you get that from..
[02:06] <zgmf-x20a> drif: sry, i saw all the other debs had the # sign in front
[02:06] <drif> zgmf-x20a: don't improvise ;)
[02:06] <zgmf-x20a> drif: lol, sorry
[02:08] <zgmf-x20a> drif: ok, typed it in this time, and it is a long list of errors.
[02:09] <drif> zgmf-x20a: just for future reference - _usually_ # in front of lines make it void
[02:09] <zgmf-x20a> but at the bottom it sayas " please ust apt-cdrom to make this cd-rom recognized by apt.  apt-get update cannot be used to add new cd-roms
[02:09] <zgmf-x20a> drif: oooo really, just like html?
[02:09] <zgmf-x20a> ic ic
[02:09] <drif> zgmf-x20a: 'sudo apt-cdrom add'
[02:11] <zgmf-x20a> drif: ok, it mounted the cd rom
[02:11] <drif> zgmf-x20a: now you can add that # in front of our previous deb cdrom: line
[02:11] <zgmf-x20a> drif: then at the end unmounted the cdrom
[02:12] <Pupeno> any ideas how to make a make (as in Makefile) rule where the output doesn't have an extension?
[02:12] <drif> zgmf-x20a: well, yes - but more like in c/c++ and other similar programming languages - html doesn't recognize # as remark/comment chracter
[02:12] <zgmf-x20a> drif: problem.  ok, so i clicked on the kate window which is still open, and it says the file has be modified by another program, what should i do????
[02:13] <drif> zgmf-x20a: close it and 'kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list' again
[02:13] <zgmf-x20a> drif: actually, when i mounted the cd in terminal, it says that it wrote a new sources list
[02:13] <drif> zgmf-x20a: ok, then we'll try skipping it
[02:14] <drif> zgmf-x20a: do just 'sudo apt-get update'
[02:14] <drif> but if you get errors we need to edit /etc/apt/source.list to get rid of'em
[02:14] <UnluckyMike> I switched from ubuntu to kubuntu, when I set up my nvidia card I used "nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals --composite --render-accel --allow-glx-with-composite --depth=24" for some reason kdm acts wierd and the background is really big and scrolls around. Any ideas??
[02:14] <drif> sources.list I mean
[02:16] <zgmf-x20a> drif: it says 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded again
[02:16] <Arwen> w00t, fortune command :-)
[02:16] <Arwen> it, in of itself, is enough reason to use Linux :-)
[02:17] <drif> UnluckyMike: you need to edit Virtual directive on /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:17] <drif> UnluckyMike: it's set larger than your current resolution
[02:18] <UnluckyMike> drif: thanks
[02:18] <dr_Willis> kubuntu and ubuntu should be able ot use the identical xorg.conf file.  on the same box. ;)   Sounds like your screen res is set wrongly however.
[02:19] <drif> zgmf-x20a: try installing those fakeroot and build-essential
[02:19] <UnluckyMike> its wierd because I use the same settings for both
[02:19] <dr_Willis> i always kepe backups of my working xorg.conf for systems :) so i can compare the different ones that disrtos make.
[02:19] <drif> dr_Willis: good practice, I do that also
[02:20] <UnluckyMike> Ive never had a problem with xorg, but I have a memory stick packed full of other config files
[02:20] <dr_Willis> its nice that many disrtos now get my widescreen correct.. but sad that not ALL of them do so.
[02:20] <dr_Willis> xorg config files have been getting simpiler as time goes on it seems. :)
[02:21] <dr_Willis> i rember the old huge xf86 config files
[02:21] <drif> zgmf-x20a: what line are you executing btw?
[02:21] <zgmf-x20a> drif: cool i will try that.  unfrotuantely i ahve to get my ass in gear here and get ready for a dinner i have to attend.  thank you again SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much for your help in this,  im going to keep plugging away at it tonigt when i get back and tomorrow until i can get it fixed.
[02:21] <drif> zgmf-x20a: because you never mention those..just 'didn't work' or other vague information..
[02:21] <UnluckyMike> in which order does xorg read first from the conf file?
[02:21] <drif> zgmf-x20a: no offense though ;)
[02:21] <zgmf-x20a> drif:well tonight i wont be able too, but i have saved the convo and will follow it thru tonight / tomorrow
[02:22] <dr_Willis> UnluckyMike,  could check the 'startx' script. It may give that info. :)  i think its xorg.conf, then the older one. then an olderone-4 or similer.
[02:22] <zgmf-x20a> drif: lol, none taken at all, i know i need to be more descriptive with that stuff
[02:22] <drif> zgmf-x20a: you do that :) remember to 'sudo apt-get update' - from those output lines you pasted me it seems you tried 'sudo apt-get install'-line instead
[02:23] <drif> zgmf-x20a: last lines should be like Fetched XX in Xs (speed)
[02:23] <drif> zgmf-x20a: after update
[02:24] <zgmf-x20a> drif: yes ive seen that b4 using the terminal.  ok i will try that out tomorrow and hopefully get this bad boy up to speed.  the thing is im going to japan in like a month and NEED to get the laptop ready for departure!!!
[02:24] <zgmf-x20a> drif: well anyways, gotta get moving here.  take care and thanks for everything once again
[02:24] <zgmf-x20a> :)
[02:25] <zgmf-x20a> have a good one, ttyl
[02:25] <drif> zgmf-x20a: laters, and you're welcome
[02:27] <UnluckyMike> thanks dr_Willis, everything seems to be in order now
[02:29] <J-Wreck> does KDE have an equivalent to GNOME's session-manager?
[02:29] <drif> UnluckyMike: was it something else than Virtual directive+?
[02:30] <UnluckyMike> xorg.conf had the default resolution set higher than it should
[02:30] <drif> UnluckyMike: wouldn't that affect monitor?
[02:31] <dr_Willis> mine was set lower then it should. :)
[02:31] <UnluckyMike> drif it just made my monitor scroll
[02:31] <drif> UnluckyMike: so you didn't change Virtual at all?
[02:32] <UnluckyMike> yeah it was virtual
[02:32] <UnluckyMike> it was set to 1920 1200 instead of 1440 900
[02:32] <drif> UnluckyMike: just wondering what I said wrong then in the first place :D
[02:33] <UnluckyMike> i was kind of out of it, watching midgets fight with cops on tv...
[02:34] <drif> UnluckyMike: well, just in future reference - respect the help..
[02:34] <drif> UnluckyMike: none of us get paid here :D
[02:35] <jordi_> where are the deb files allocated?
[02:35] <jordi_> those one downloaded by apt
[02:36] <drif> jordi_: /var/cache/apt/archives/
[02:36] <jordi_> ok Thanks!
[02:43] <dr_Willis> Gotta love downlaoding a game at 22k/s...  only 720:23 remaining! :)
[02:43] <dr_Willis> thats what.. 10 hrs.. :) heh
[02:43] <drif> dr_Willis: well, if that is consistent speed it's not bad after all..
[02:44] <hydrogen> thats nothing
[02:44] <hydrogen> opera told me that I had 1223 days left on a download
[02:44] <drif> hydrogen: did you go on with it? ;)
[02:44] <dr_Willis> drif,  heh.. gotta love 'beta testing' that forces you do use their update software
[02:44] <hydrogen> of course!
[02:45] <hydrogen> i'm down to 22 hours
[02:46] <drif> dr_Willis: which game is that?
[02:52] <dr_Willis> drif,  tabula rasa beta
[02:53] <dr_Willis> Bought the preorder. and it dident have  serial #.. i should of made it start downloading then. :) had to take it back to the store to get a different boxed set
[02:54] <drif> dr_Willis: ah, that new garriot production
[02:55] <drif> dr_Willis: I wonder how long it will take until someone redirects us to -offtopic ;)
[02:58] <dr_Willis> given that we are averaging about 4 min between replies.. and no one else is talking.....
[02:58] <CPrompt^> anyone use Pandora or Last.FM?
[03:10] <megalomaniac> anyone able to answer why i can connect to this server but not others?
[03:11] <underdog5004> megalomaniac, your dns server is down?
[03:11] <Theresa> intelikey: well, i messed around last night and didn't get much further. the purge of all foomatic stuff didn't change anything.  Other ideas?
[03:12] <megalomaniac> nope...thats not it....
[03:13] <megalomaniac> the only way i was able to previously connect to irc server was thru a hotlink in msn chat which i bookmarked in konversation
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[03:14] <hydrogen> you are boring.
[03:14] <drif> Bearcat: what's the prob then?
[03:14] <aguitel>
[03:14] <Bearcat> drif: i'l give you the short story, them more details as you ask. (thanks)
[03:15] <drif> Bearcat: ok
[03:16] <Bearcat> drif: i'm setting up linux for a friend. Thier HP C3180 scans just fine with my laptop and the latest live cd.  On thier machine which started as a 6.06 version the scanner can not be found. sane-find-scanner finds it, but scaninmage -L and kooka don't.
[03:17] <Bearcat> their machine is upto date.  I have examined udev, sane and compared them to my machine and havent found the differnece. I have --purged all foomatic files too
[03:17] <Bearcat> i have to get this back to them and embarrassed after persuading them to go with linux over XP
[03:18] <intelikey> Bearcat ummm copy your configs to their box ?    or the configs from the live CD  ?
[03:19] <Bearcat> intelikey: i've done some of that
[03:19] <Bearcat> i've done that with udev, and sane. Any more to look at/
[03:19] <Bearcat> ?
[03:20] <intelikey>  /var/lib/sane* ?   <shrugs>
[03:20] <drif> Bearcat: so 6.06 livecd finds scanner and hdd installed doesn't?
[03:21] <intelikey> drif i thimk it is'nt 6.6
[03:22] <Bearcat> drif: yeah, so it *has* to be a config issue.
[03:22] <Bearcat> intelikey: you know, i haddn't even though tof /var stuff *face paws*
[03:22] <drif> Bearcat: why not newer version on hdd?
[03:22] <Bearcat> drif: both their pc and mine are now the same version. I'm guessing it's config files left over from 6.06
[03:24] <intelikey> Bearcat and as i said yestergo  if you upgrade 6.6 you can't then config/setup the scanner   has to be setup before the update.   so the live CD "should work" and the updated installed "not work"     aren't bugs fun.
[03:24] <drif> intelikey: what's 6.6?
[03:24] <intelikey> !lts
[03:24] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[03:24] <drif> intelikey: I thought it's 6.06..
[03:25] <intelikey> it is.   6.6 == 6.06 == 06.06 == 2006.06
[03:25] <intelikey> year dot month code
[03:25] <drif> intelikey: I beg to differ :D what's 6.10 then? older?
[03:25] <intelikey> year dot month code
[03:25] <drif> ah, ok
[03:26] <drif> I'm still too fixated with usual version naming scheme
[03:26] <intelikey> "differ all you want, just don't get between me and the blood wine"
[03:30] <Bearcat> intelikey: *nods*  alright i'l copy all config files over that i can find that i think might be remotely pertainant
[03:30] <drif> Bearcat: have you tried using scanimage -d straight from results sane-find-scanner reports?
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIFCV2spKtg <-- This is just plain awesome
[03:49] <intelikey> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[03:49] <intelikey> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com dapper-updates/main Packages
[03:49] <intelikey>   Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[03:51] <drif> intelikey: hm?
[03:52] <Bearcat> drif: here. sorry bouncing from pc tp pc
[03:52] <Bearcat> drif: no i haven't
[03:53] <drif> Bearcat: I'd suggest that
[03:54] <Bearcat> drif: wht is the '-d' looking for? A device in /dev?
[03:54] <drif> nice, katapult bugged out and practically killed my GUI-interface..keyboard not reacting and mouse can't press all buttons
[03:54] <drif> Bearcat: yup, dev
[03:54] <drif> Bearcat: which sane-find-scanner reports
[03:55] <Bearcat> drif: sane-find-scanner tells me "found USB scanner (vendor=0x03f0 [HP] , product=0x5611 [Photosmart C3100 series] ) at libusb:005:005"  What am i looking for in dev?
[03:56] <intelikey> heh...  Running 'tzconfig' to set this system's timezone.
[03:56] <intelikey> Your current time zone is set to /dev/null
[03:56] <intelikey> Do you want to change that? [n] :
[03:56] <drif> Bearcat: anything more with -v?
[03:56] <Bearcat> intelikey: ohh! you are a "timeless" classic
[03:56] <drif> Bearcat: or even -v -v
[03:57] <drif> intelikey: I'm just wondering some of those pastings you make..asking for something or just amuse us?
[03:58] <intelikey> amusing  mostly
[03:59] <drif> intelikey: -offtopic? ;)
[03:59] <intelikey> certenly the last one wasn't asking for any help
[03:59] <drif> intelikey: I know, but that previous one...gzip stdin etc.
[03:59] <Bearcat> drif: it looks at /dev/usbscanner[0-15]  and /dev/usb/scanner[0-15] . It says "failed to open (invalid argument)" for all of them.
[03:59] <intelikey> yeah i don't think that's on my box    so anyone to whom it may concern might want to look into that
[04:00] <drif> intelikey: look into what? you never include anything concrete.. like question or description what you're upto there..
[04:00] <intelikey> drif if the output wasn't obvious   that was from an apt-get update   so the updated package database is the error genorator
[04:01] <Bearcat> drif: so, this may be a udev prob then.
[04:01] <drif> Bearcat: check sane-usb
[04:01] <intelikey> someone forgot to gzip the database
[04:02] <hitmanWilly> or bz2'd it by mistake :P
[04:02] <drif> intelikey: would it kill to include those remarks as well?
[04:02] <drif> :D
[04:02] <intelikey> hitmanWilly no that would have failed altogather.
[04:02] <hitmanWilly> yeah, probably, not a major expert on apt here :)
[04:02] <Bearcat> drif: i've looked through that and created a custom config file in /etc/sane.d
[04:03] <drif> Bearcat: also, have you compared lsmod outputs on both machine?
[04:03] <Bearcat> drif: ahh, good idea
[04:04] <Bearcat> drif: well, if sane-find-scanner finds the scanner what else is there to do?
[04:04] <intelikey> drif sorry,  thought that was obvious by the text i posted.    i'll try to remember to specify at least the command the i'm posting about in the future
[04:04] <intelikey> errrr well i did post it in the future didn't i ???
[04:05] <drif> Bearcat: it's just usb device which got recognized.. not necessarily having driver loaded?
[04:05] <intelikey>  me grammer is like me spelling    them is both bad
[04:05] <Bearcat> drif: ahh. Thanks
[04:10] <drif> flaccid: how many plums of sugar?
[04:10] <intelikey> is genii here ?
[04:11] <flaccid> 0.5
[04:12] <intelikey> is that more or less than 1/2 ???
[04:12] <flaccid> lol im on windows and i just replaced the de facto non free apps with free open source ones and shabam the computer has cpu/resources to use heh
[04:13] <drif> ..and after those words, suddenly 'word' is no longer among us
[04:13] <flaccid> w3rd!
[04:16] <soccermike1337> I have an UBUNTU related question, and since no one in #ubuntu will answer, ive come here, to the closest relative (to my knowledge)
[04:16] <flaccid> please ask
[04:16] <soccermike1337> is it normal to take over 10 minutes for the ubuntu installer to load?
[04:16] <flaccid> depends on the computers spec. on older systems thats possible
[04:16] <Biovore> well it does take a bit..  dependingoln your computer..
[04:16] <soccermike1337> :-/
[04:17] <drif> soccermike1337: not really
[04:17] <soccermike1337> 1.83 GHz core 2 duo
[04:17] <soccermike1337> 2 gigs ram
[04:17] <drif> soccermike1337: nope
[04:17] <Biovore> yeah.. shouldn't
[04:17] <soccermike1337> weird
[04:17] <flaccid> your bottleneck is probably something else
[04:17] <soccermike1337> bottleneck?
[04:17] <drif> is it clearly still doing something?
[04:17] <Biovore> soccermike1337: Try the alternate installer if your having problems..
[04:17] <soccermike1337> not that i can tell
[04:17] <soccermike1337> alternate?
[04:17] <drif> soccermike1337: =hindering your system down
[04:17] <flaccid> the problem thats causing the slowness
[04:17] <Arwen> in computers, a bottleneck is the weak part in a system that's inhibiting the rest of the system
[04:17] <flaccid> !alternate
[04:17] <ubotu> The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install.  It basicly the debian text based installer..  Works quicker.. Its what I use..
[04:19] <soccermike1337> yeah
[04:19] <drif> that's quite unusual rpm these days - but I dont believe that's the prob
[04:19] <soccermike1337> ok... well if i use the text installer, is it harder to resize my windows partition?
[04:19] <Biovore> 5400 rpm.. probably on a laptop then..
[04:19] <drif> soccermike1337: of course if it's laptop then it's very normal
[04:19] <soccermike1337> yes i am
[04:19] <drif> Biovore: yeah
[04:20] <flaccid> the problem is more likely the optical drive or whats being loaded off the installer or it doesn't like a piece of hardware
[04:20] <soccermike1337> ok.. 10:19, pressed enter on Ubuntu graphics safe mode
[04:20] <Biovore> soccermike1337: well you can resize in the text installer. But the menus are a bit more confussing..
[04:20] <rekorder> hello
[04:20] <flaccid> alternate cd will probably have no problem if the problem is related to X
[04:20] <soccermike1337> :-/
[04:20] <soccermike1337> it seems ive had it running on this laptop before though
[04:21] <soccermike1337> because i had to fetch a driver for it
[04:23] <Bearcat> thanks all
[04:24] <drif> Bearcat: did it work?
[04:24] <Bearcat> be back later
[04:24] <Bearcat> drif: nope
[04:24] <sFEARs> what's the apt-get command to reinstall?
[04:24] <Bearcat> but now a scanimage -L takes a minute or two to complete
[04:24] <intelikey> apt-get install --reinstall blah
[04:24] <flaccid> sFEARs, sudo apt-get install --reinstall package
[04:24] <Bearcat> alright i'm gonna copy over udev and etc stuff
[04:25] <sFEARs> thank you
[04:25] <soccermike1337> :-/
[04:25] <Bearcat> adn hope i don't break this system
[04:25] <sFEARs> still having massive trouble by the way
[04:25] <soccermike1337> well i found ubuntu 5.10 cd
[04:25] <soccermike1337> how hard is it to upgrade to 7.x
[04:25] <sFEARs> i fix one thing & break two others in the process
[04:25] <flaccid> soccermike1337, much quicker to d/l the feisty alternate cd than upgrading from that over the net
[04:25] <drif> soccermike1337: not hard - although I personally discourge anything other than clean installs
[04:26] <soccermike1337> i dont think that its going to work though
[04:26] <soccermike1337> :-/
[04:26] <flaccid> soccermike1337, have you tried it?
[04:26] <soccermike1337> no
[04:26] <soccermike1337> but i know the 5.10 disc works
[04:26] <flaccid> there is no X on the altnernate cd
[04:26] <flaccid> have you ever tried an alternate cd on the system..
[04:26] <intelikey> upgrade 5.10 > 6.6 > 6.10 > 7.4  ?????  yuvh
[04:26] <intelikey> yuch too
[04:27] <soccermike1337> nope
[04:27] <soccermike1337> i guess ill try
[04:27] <Arwen> intelikey, try with a fresh install? :-P
[04:27] <intelikey> Arwen no not that string.   dialup precludes my testing that.
[04:28] <Arwen> heh'
[04:28] <intelikey> it would take until 9.10 releases to finish that upgrade process
[04:28] <soccermike1337> ill probably need someone to walk me through the text based one though
[04:28] <flaccid> dialup is not cool :p
[04:28] <Arwen> dialup on Linux is even worse :-\
[04:28] <Arwen> winmodems :-\
[04:28] <flaccid> i think there is a text-based install guide somewhere
[04:28] <intelikey> Arwen heh real modem here  :)
[04:29] <Arwen> heh
[04:29] <Arwen> mine used to have a really unstable intel driver. but then came the upgrade and voila, proprietary software didn't update.
[04:29] <intelikey> heh   yeah.
[04:32] <soccermike1337> -downloading alternate cd-
[04:34] <sFEARs> anyone know what the mp3 library is?
[04:34] <Biovore> !mp3
[04:34] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:34] <sFEARs> <~~ trying to convert from windows
[04:35] <flaccid> !codecs
[04:35] <flaccid> ubotu?
[04:38] <intelikey> how to measure network traffic that isn't flowing through the box doing the checking   ?
[04:38] <Biovore> intelikey: you on a switch or a hub?
[04:38] <flaccid> doing the checking?
[04:39] <flaccid> !snmp
[04:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about snmp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:39] <flaccid> !ethereal
[04:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ethereal - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:39] <Biovore> snmp only works if you got a switch that supports it..
[04:39] <intelikey> Biovore i can't tell ya   seeing that's i'm still network illiterate
[04:39] <drif> suggest some good wiki which is available from repo?
[04:39] <soccermike1337> !codecs|flaccid
[04:39] <soccermike1337> !codecs |flaccid
[04:39] <soccermike1337> lol
[04:39] <Biovore> well on a switch you can't see the other trafic.  but on a hub you can.. (hubs have colutsion lights on them)
[04:39] <ubotu> flaccid: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:40] <soccermike1337> there it is
[04:40] <soccermike1337> lol
[04:40] <Biovore> snmp -- simple network managment protocol..
[04:40] <flaccid> so you need a managed switch that supports snmp or a hub that you can sniff on
[04:40] <intelikey> Biovore well this [box]  has lights on it.  i can see that there is traffic passing through it...
[04:41] <intelikey> and to which cable
[04:41] <intelikey> but don't know how much traffic   nor what kind
[04:41] <Biovore> well in a switch box A sends traffic to the switch and the switch sends it to box B.. In a hub.. box A sends traffic to the hub.. the hub just sends it out to everyone connected to the hub..
[04:42] <intelikey> ah   i have a switch then
[04:42] <flaccid> you still get collision domains on a switch but. a switch is buffered a hub isn't
[04:43] <intelikey> but i think it's a small switch  only 9 eth ports and a  T socket
[04:43] <Biovore> linksys?
[04:43] <navetz> how do i get spellcheck with openoffice?
[04:43] <Biovore> netgear?
[04:43] <intelikey> no name
[04:43] <Biovore> navetz: F7 I think..
[04:44] <Biovore> intelikey: there are a couple of ways of doing it.. but its not easy..
[04:44] <flaccid> although i continuously get told that you can snmp an unmanaged switch
[04:44] <navetz> Biovore: it doesnt recognize my language or something, it wont find any errors and i know they are there
[04:45] <Biovore> not sure.. not a open office expert..
[04:46] <intelikey> LC_ALL=C command
[04:46] <intelikey> oh ignore that.
[04:48] <intelikey> it's a cute little bastard switch that a local school pitched in the dumpster,   works perfectly as far as i can tell.
[04:50] <NickPresta> navetz, this happened to me the first time I started usign OOo. Give me a minute to find the solution again...
[04:50] <navetz> NickPresta: man thanks alot! this has been killing me
[04:50] <NickPresta> navetz, may I PM you?
[04:51] <steven_> hi
[04:51] <NickPresta> !hi | steven_
[04:51] <ubotu> steven_: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[04:51] <navetz> NickPresta: yes
[04:52] <navetz> NickPresta: it says im unregistered
[04:52] <NickPresta> !register | navetz
[04:52] <ubotu> navetz: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[04:52] <NickPresta> at any rate, I will create a Pastebin post for you
[04:53] <navetz> NickPresta: ok sweet thanks :)
[04:53] <miles> debian > ubuntu ?? [confirm/deny]
[04:55] <NickPresta> navetz, http://pastebin.ca/670822
[04:56] <navetz> NickPresta Thanks !
[04:57] <Biovore> hmm I noticed that having the PS3 kubuntu disk in the drive here that it totaly hoses up the umount in the gui.. :-/
[04:57] <[Ramy] >  hi all, after making some testing for pidgin IRC built-in client, I was banned from #ubuntu, may because I was logging in and out , allot. how I can repair that ?
[04:58] <sFEARs> i have no idea Ramy
[04:59] <intelikey> [Ramy]  time.
[04:59] <intelikey> [Ramy]  unless you tic'd off an op  you should be debanned in a few minutes
[04:59] <NickPresta> and [Ramy]  #test for testing
[05:00] <NickPresta> or [Ramy]  just join any channel you want (ex. #RAMYSCHAN)
[05:02] <intelikey> modem resets are so much fun.....    NOT
[05:02] <[Ramy] > intelikey I have being banned for 48 hours :(
[05:03] <intelikey> [Ramy]  hmmm then try   #ubuntu-ops   see if you can resolve the issue
[05:03] <intelikey> [Ramy]  i was banned from there for 6 months
[05:04] <intelikey> told an op he was wrong about    sudo -i  and  sudo su -   having different end results...
[05:04] <intelikey> guess one should never correct an op
[05:05] <robotgeek> intelikey: hmm, really
[05:05] <intelikey> it's no joke.   though i may be famous or infamous for them
[05:07] <robotgeek> intelikey: what does sudo su - do specifically
[05:07] <intelikey> same as   sudo -i    specifficly
[05:08] <intelikey> it just runs   su -     as root
[05:09] <intelikey> su -     switches users (to root because no user was specified)  and the dash makes it a login shell
[05:10] <intelikey> when people ask howto blah  if someone answers with one way i like to provide some other was of reaching the same point (if there is one, and in linux there usually is)
[05:10] <intelikey> s/was/way/
[05:13] <intelikey> seems that  #ubuntu is not the place for that practice though.    and an un-named op said i was wrong that the second command wasn't what the fellow wanted,  i just pointed out that the two commands are equal in the end result   although   sudo -i  does use less resources and thus is faster   the differance is un-noticable even on a slow machine
[05:13] <intelikey>  </rant>
[05:14] <robotgeek> intelikey: okay. i dont go in there, it is too stressful :)
[05:15] <NoobSauce> does anyone know of any good video cameras that work out of the box in ubuntu/kubuntu? I don't care about quality, or anything - just out of the box support
[05:16] <fitoria_> can i install pidgin on kubuntu?
[05:16] <robotgeek> NoobSauce: you mean, like camcorders?
[05:16] <NoobSauce> robotgeek: yeah
[05:16] <robotgeek> NoobSauce: sorry, no idea. wiki might have something
[05:17] <robotgeek> !hardware
[05:17] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[05:17] <NoobSauce> I don't care about quality, I don't care about price - just something that works, and is preferably not in some bizarre shape/size
[05:17] <NoobSauce> I looked through that page, but I don't think there are video cameras listed, just regular cameras (that take pics)
[05:18] <robotgeek> NoobSauce: though, most of these cameras come with firewire, so it might just work?
[05:18] <NoobSauce> robotgeek: What's so special about firewire supported cameras? How is it different from usb in terms of hardware support?
[05:18] <gustavo_> oi
[05:18] <NoobSauce> robotgeek: I would think it makes no difference... unless I'm unaware of something... I don't have much experience with firewire stuffs
[05:19] <robotgeek> NoobSauce: nothing special, firewire was much faster than USB1
[05:19] <gustavo_> hi
[05:19] <fitoria_> can i instal pidgin on kubuntu?
[05:19] <robotgeek> fitoria_: sure you can.
[05:19] <robotgeek> fitoria_: you have tried kopete though, right?
[05:20] <fitoria_> yes
[05:20] <swiftnomad> hello. I have compiz fusion and I'm having a bit of trouble. apt-get It says libcompizconfig-backend-kconfig status: Upgradeable Request: No change but when I upgrade it.. it's still around and it says: Requested: BRAKE (upgrade) than when I press apply I get an error:
[05:21] <swiftnomad> There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would brake packages.
[05:21] <swiftnomad> Press OK. and it's still around and compiz fusion dont let me use any themes or apply them. nothing.
[05:22] <swiftnomad> !fitoria_ yes you can install it but you need to compile it yourself.
[05:23] <robotgeek> swiftnomad: well, the commit would break packages, so it is not committing :)
[05:23] <robotgeek> err, upgrade
[05:24] <robotgeek> gustavo_: can we help you?
[05:24] <swiftnomad> I have upgraded it but and its still their.
[05:25] <swiftnomad> robotgeek.. I am requesting the upgrade and it say's it's still their when I try to upgrade again.
[05:25] <robotgeek> swiftnomad: it wont upgrade because upgrading will break your box. are you on feisty?
[05:26] <swiftnomad> yes. kubuntu.
[05:26] <swiftnomad> so I cannot get compiz-fusion on this?
[05:26] <robotgeek> swiftnomad: how did you try to install it?
[05:27] <swiftnomad> a tut I seen when I googled it. their was a perl install script.
[05:27] <swiftnomad> I needed to back location/of/shell.sh
[05:27] <swiftnomad> bash**
[05:27] <robotgeek> swiftnomad: can you give me a link?
[05:27] <swiftnomad> sure.
[05:30] <swiftnomad> I'm looking for it. =X
[05:30] <robotgeek> heh
[05:32] <swiftnomad> I cant find it. I been playing around trying to install this and get it running
[05:33] <robotgeek> swiftnomad: okay, please open up a shell
[05:33] <swiftnomad> open
[05:33] <swiftnomad> it's opened
[05:34] <robotgeek> swiftnomad: cd /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[05:35] <swiftnomad> I'm their.
[05:35] <robotgeek> swiftnomad: see what files are present there, "ls -l"
[05:36] <swiftnomad> 0
[05:36] <swiftnomad> swiftnomad@swiftnomad-desktop:/etc/apt/sources.list.d$ ls -l
[05:36] <swiftnomad> total 0
[05:36] <robotgeek> swiftnomad: okay. "cd .."
[05:36] <robotgeek> swiftnomad: paste the contents of sources.list to a !pastebin
[05:37] <swiftnomad> ok
[05:38] <swiftnomad> http://pastebin.ca/670854
[05:39] <robotgeek> swiftnomad: hmm, could you paste the contents of sources.list (kate sources.list) and paste (http://rafb.net/paste) it
[05:39] <swiftnomad> sure.
[05:41] <swiftnomad> http://rafb.net/p/6RFHjL80.html
[05:42] <flaccid> automatix *oh no*
[05:42] <swiftnomad> google earth. =)
[05:42] <swiftnomad> =P
[05:42] <flaccid> whats your problem sorry
[05:43] <robotgeek> swiftnomad: which packages are not getting upgraded?
[05:43] <swiftnomad> I have compiz fusion and I'm having a bit of trouble. apt-get It says libcompizconfig-backend-kconfig status: Upgradeable Request: No change but when I upgrade it.. it's still around and it says: Requested: BRAKE (upgrade) than when I press apply I get an error:
[05:43] <swiftnomad> There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would brake packages.
[05:43] <swiftnomad>  Press OK. and it's still around and compiz fusion dont let me use any themes or apply them. nothing.
[05:43] <flaccid> re-generate your sources.list or remove all the extra repos
[05:43] <swiftnomad> libcompizconfig-backend-kconfig
[05:44] <flaccid> !libcompizconfig-backend-kconfig
[05:44] <flaccid> !info libcompizconfig-backend-kconfig
[05:44] <ubotu> Package libcompizconfig-backend-kconfig does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[05:44] <swiftnomad> I dont know how to do that.
[05:44] <robotgeek> isn't there a channel for effects?
[05:44] <swiftnomad> I'm not to sure.
[05:44] <robotgeek> swiftnomad: apt-cache show libcompizconfig-backend-kconfig
[05:44] <flaccid> !sourc-o-matic | swiftnomad
[05:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sourc-o-matic - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:44] <flaccid> !source-o-matic | swiftnomad
[05:44] <ubotu> swiftnomad: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[05:45] <robotgeek> swiftnomad: uggh, i meant apt-cache policy libcompizconfig-backend-kconfig
[05:45] <intelikey> what does the degree sign look like ?
[05:46] <flaccid> !offtopic
[05:46] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[05:46] <flaccid> :p
[05:46] <intelikey> what does the degree sign look like ?    anyone ?     or what key combo to generate it ?
[05:46] <swiftnomad> Here is what your asking for geekrobot
[05:46] <swiftnomad> http://rafb.net/p/kR2ziP82.html
[05:46] <flaccid> google.com ?
[05:47] <robotgeek> intelikey: it looks like a small 'o' superscripted
[05:47] <intelikey> yeah that's it.  but you didn't show me...
[05:47] <intelikey> i just need to copy and paste it..
[05:47] <flaccid> err google
[05:48] <robotgeek> swiftnomad: thanks
[05:48] <swiftnomad> mhm yeah I'm in Kubuntu
[05:48] <flaccid> sweet
[05:48] <swiftnomad> I can still use this Ubuntu sources.list generator and not mess anything up?
[05:49] <flaccid> swiftnomad, i would re-generate, then add the repos you require for that package only
[05:49] <flaccid> ie. no automatix etc.
[05:49] <robotgeek> intelikey:
[05:49] <flaccid> then let us know your new error if you get one
[05:49] <swiftnomad> why no automatix ??
[05:50] <flaccid> !automatix
[05:50] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[05:50] <robotgeek> swiftnomad: if you remove the ppa repository, i think it might work.
[05:50] <swiftnomad> how do I remove it?
[05:50] <flaccid> question is did you want the tuxfamily or ppa package
[05:51] <robotgeek> swiftnomad: just add a # in front of those lines, then try again
[05:51] <flaccid> after you save do a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:51] <swiftnomad> ok.
[05:52] <swiftnomad> any spaces?
[05:52] <flaccid> negative
[05:52] <flaccid> spaces are allowed in front of the # which is a comment
[05:52] <swiftnomad> so in the URI but it wont let me press OK
[05:53] <robotgeek> swiftnomad: that is becuase you are not editing it as root, (which is a good thing)
[05:53] <flaccid> what wont let you press ok? you need to use sudo or kdesu to be able to edit and save the file
[05:53] <swiftnomad> ok
[05:53] <robotgeek> it might be simpler to manage repositories from adept
[05:55] <swiftnomad> yeah in Software Sources I cannot edit it with the # infront of URI
[05:55] <voradams> anyone able to help with a knetworkmanager wpa question?
[05:55] <swiftnomad> and I wouldnt know how to edit it from adept
[05:55] <flaccid> a # makes that line a comment ie. it doesn't get included
[05:56] <flaccid> so you want to comment out ppa or tuxfamily repos or manage via kdesu adept
[05:56] <flaccid> !repos | swiftnomad
[05:56] <ubotu> swiftnomad: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:56] <flaccid> !adept
[05:56] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[05:57] <flaccid> nice little howto^
[05:58] <swiftnomad> still not letting me edit it. and in shell I'm root.
[05:59] <swiftnomad> let me just delete it.
[05:59] <robotgeek> swiftnomad: delete what?
[05:59] <swiftnomad> ppa.dogfood
[06:00] <voradams> The belkin usb wireless adapter works out of the box on kubuntu 7.04, device shows up under knetworkmanager, and can see my router. however, when i try to pass my credentials to the roter, it seems to bomb out. anyone know wpa or knetworkmanager enough to help as i got no love from the main ubuntu forum
[06:00] <robotgeek> swiftnomad: okay
[06:01] <flaccid> swiftnomad, what is the actual error and editing with which editor?
[06:01] <robotgeek> voradams: what chipset is it using, (lsusb -v) & (lsmod)
[06:03] <voradams> idproduct 0x0102, rt73 chipet
[06:03] <swiftnomad> what do you mean? I dont get no error. I just cannot apply themes  and when I run ccsm Its the settings manager and its just like 4 menus and I cant do anything.
[06:04] <flaccid> i thought we are trying to fix repos swiftnomad
[06:04] <flaccid> what are you trying to edit sources.list with
[06:04] <swiftnomad> well- ok. that. It says:
[06:04] <voradams> robotgeek: it sees the router fine, iwconfig shows all the right values
[06:04] <swiftnomad> There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would brake packages.
[06:05] <flaccid> that was from apt-get update
[06:05] <swiftnomad> I didn't try. geekrobot was asking to see it.
[06:05] <flaccid> have a look at the output and see which repos had problems
[06:05] <swiftnomad> I dont know how.
[06:05] <flaccid> err
[06:05] <swiftnomad> n00b. I know.
[06:05] <robotgeek> voradams: wpa has not worked on my laptop, sorry
[06:06] <flaccid> swiftnomad, so which extra repos do you actually need in sources.list
[06:06] <voradams> afraid of that, the webpage says security has not been tested....
[06:07] <swiftnomad> none really. I enjoy the automatrix because I use google earth alot... and I just want a better theme than the one I have now..
[06:07] <flaccid> theme for what?
[06:08] <flaccid> you don't use automatix for google earth..
[06:08] <flaccid> !googleearth
[06:08] <ubotu> Google Earth is now available, for free (only as in price), for Linux, too. To download it see http://earth.google.com/download-earth.html - A package for Ubuntu is available in the !Medibuntu repository
[06:08] <swiftnomad> kde. with compiz-fusion you can use emerald
[06:08] <flaccid> !compiz-fusion
[06:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about compiz-fusion - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:08] <flaccid> !compiz
[06:08] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[06:09] <swiftnomad> ok thanks.
[06:11] <flaccid> swiftnomad, according to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion its ppa
[06:11] <swiftnomad> yeah?
[06:11] <hydrogen> how do I find out what package a file belongs to
[06:11] <swiftnomad> Ok. Ill add that.
[06:11] <flaccid> so you need to comment out the tuxfamily entries
[06:12] <flaccid> that is what is conflicting
[06:12] <hydrogen> or better yet
[06:12] <hydrogen> anyone seen
[06:12] <hydrogen> ldconfig: /usr/lib/libexslt.so.0.8.13 is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start.
[06:14] <flaccid> hydrogen, http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/libs/libxslt1.1
[06:15] <flaccid> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=libxslt1.1&version=feisty&arch=i386
[06:15] <hydrogen> err
[06:17] <flaccid> !info libxslt1.1
[06:17] <ubotu> libxslt1.1: XSLT processing library - runtime library. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1.20-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 212 kB, installed size 448 kB
[06:17] <hydrogen> no
[06:17] <hydrogen> libexslt
[06:17] <hydrogen> not libxslt
[06:17] <hydrogen> oh
[06:17] <hydrogen> same package
[06:17] <hydrogen> it turns out
[06:17] <flaccid> did you look at the package list...
[06:17] <flaccid> indeed
[06:18] <hydrogen> ahh
[06:18] <hydrogen> this isn't going to end well
[06:18] <flaccid> dang
[06:18] <hydrogen> i decided to remove it and reinstlal
[06:19] <hydrogen> to try and fix
[06:19] <hydrogen> and apparently half of my system depends on it
[06:19] <hydrogen> so adept is being nice and removing half of my system
[06:19] <flaccid> you could do a force purge then install it perhaps
[06:19] <flaccid> ah need cli for this kind of thing iirc
[06:19] <jombee> does anyone know anything about php?
[06:19] <flaccid> jombee, yes
[06:19] <hydrogen> and it doesn't give me a way to cancel
[06:19] <flaccid> hydrogen, kill it
[06:20] <hydrogen> its most of the way done.. I'll let it finish and then reinstall
[06:20] <hydrogen> its mostly kde that its removing
[06:20] <flaccid> ok then
[06:20] <hydrogen> well
[06:20] <hydrogen> and python
[06:20] <hydrogen> and adept
[06:20] <hydrogen> and meh
[06:21] <bzrad> Hi guys.  I mount /home via hda3... and i recently copied the directory, removed partition.. and moved my files back on.  I went to login, and it said something about dchopserver, and reading a network list.. and i chown'd my home directory.. and now I try to login, and it just kicks me right back to login screen w/out errors.. any idea?
[06:21] <flaccid> bzrad, perhaps try sudo chown `whoami` ~/home/`whoami`
[06:22] <flaccid> chown -R `whoami` ~/home/`whoami`
[06:22] <hydrogen> ehh
[06:22] <hydrogen> ~/home is going to do weird things :)
[06:22] <hydrogen> like not work
[06:22] <flaccid> yeah
[06:22] <flaccid> good point
[06:22] <drif> :D
[06:22] <bzrad> flaccid I already did chown -R wastedfluid *
[06:22] <bzrad> in my home directory.. wastedfluid is my username.
[06:22] <intelikey> bzrad   df -h     and remember 5% reserver by default
[06:23] <bzrad> hold on, i'll run that now.
[06:23] <drif> bzrad: but not the directory itself?
[06:23] <drif> bzrad: quite crucial step..
[06:23] <flaccid> bzrad, failing that goto a tty kill kdm then run startx and see problem
[06:23] <bzrad> ok, i'll do a console login.. hold on
[06:24] <yurimxpxman> what's the command to add a line to a file? I remember it had echo in it..
[06:24] <intelikey> #offtopic http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39176
[06:24] <intelikey> echo "blah" >> file.name
[06:25] <bzrad> flaccid;  I went into console login.. logged in, typed "kill $(pgrep kdm) - and now i'm just at an empty s creen w/ one line flashing.. nothing happening.
[06:25] <intelikey> yurimxpxman if it's system file and you are not root    echo "blah" | sudo tee -a file.name
[06:25] <yurimxpxman> intelikey: btw, that script doesn't work for me
[06:25] <yurimxpxman> intelikey: thanks!
[06:26] <intelikey> yurimxpxman no ?  hmmm
[06:26] <yurimxpxman> intelikey: (by script, I mean the CPU temp one)
[06:26] <bzrad> drif; i know I own directory permissions because of ls -l
[06:27] <intelikey> yurimxpxman yes.  sorry a space in the wrong place...  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39177
[06:27] <bzrad> i think i'm just going to do another fresh install since this is obviously not working.
[06:27] <yurimxpxman> intelikey: yeah, I found it
[06:27] <yurimxpxman> intelikey: but it still doesn't work
[06:27] <yurimxpxman> intelikey: gives me the unknown character symbol in konsole
[06:27] <bzrad> flaccid;  now I can't even console login.. it returns me to the login screen.
[06:28] <bzrad> ok, fresh install time.. no big loss.  thanks anyways
[06:28] <intelikey> it's a "console" script  if you use unicode konsole it should work
[06:29] <intelikey> bzrad
[06:29] <drif> he's gone
[06:29] <yurimxpxman> intelikey: btw, what's wrong with `cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature` ? :-)
[06:29] <intelikey> well.   i would have told him that he just proved it was ownership/permissions
[06:29] <intelikey> drif yeah i know.
[06:30] <intelikey> yurimxpxman the format.  it's ugly.
[06:30] <drif> intelikey: I had same hunch
[06:30] <yurimxpxman> intelikey: what format does yours show?
[06:30] <drif> intelikey: nowadays people just don't like the battle anymore ;)
[06:30] <intelikey> tty3 [greg$~]  ./temp
[06:30] <intelikey> 50C
[06:31] <yurimxpxman> intelikey: ah, I see
[06:31] <drif> btw, what could be wrong when I have nothing at thermal_zone on this machine?
[06:31] <intelikey> drif yeah.   M$ slothfulness has really set in.
[06:32] <intelikey> drif module not inserted for the sensors
[06:32] <drif> intelikey: few days ago I accidentaly misused usermod and revoked my admin rights :D had only kdesu session of adapt manager around..
[06:33] <drif> intelikey: so, logical solution would have been reboot and editing etc files manually..
[06:33] <yurimxpxman> intelikey: I'm using utf8 and it doesn't work..
[06:33] <drif> intelikey: but no :D I just fired up another pc and set up repository and made 'fake' .deb to obtain my rights back :D
[06:34] <intelikey> drif yeah.  booting to single user mode would have given you a root shell  from which you could have added your root jr. account to the adm/admin groups.
[06:35] <flaccid> dang bzrad just had to go back to the tty again and run startx ah well
[06:35] <drif> intelikey: but using what password?-o
[06:35] <yurimxpxman> drif: it doesn't require a password
[06:35] <intelikey> drif none
[06:35] <drif> intelikey: and besides I had no real chance to reboot the machine at that moment - had software running
[06:36] <yurimxpxman> intelikey: do you want a screenshot of this bug in your script?
[06:36] <drif> intelikey: so it was more convenient way to me
[06:36] <intelikey> yurimxpxman ok i'll concent that konsole is borked as far as ascii chars from printf ...  you could drop the `printf ...`  section
[06:37] <intelikey> yurimxpxman it's not a "bug in my script"   maybe a bug in konsole...
[06:37] <intelikey> drif what ever works    is always the "right way"
[06:37] <drif> intelikey: yup
[06:38] <flaccid> whatever works is the wrong way
[06:38] <drif> flaccid: based on what?
[06:38] <flaccid> windows works...
[06:38] <flaccid> need i say more
[06:38] <intelikey> flaccid still has a sore knee
[06:38] <intelikey> ...  :)
[06:38] <drif> hehe
[06:38] <flaccid> no you have a sore foot coz i have metal knees
[06:39] <flaccid> :p
[06:39] <intelikey> oh    my bad...
[06:39] <intelikey> :)
[06:39] <intelikey> now who's off topic   btw
[06:39] <drif> flaccid: spending a lot of your time on your knees? :D evolution surely has its ways
[06:40] <yurimxpxman> intelikey: doesn't work in xterm, either.
[06:40] <intelikey> ok.  i'll fire up a gui and look at it...      kids...
[06:41] <flaccid> why am i always the easy target
[06:41] <yurimxpxman> intelikey: doesn't work in my virtual terminal, either :P
[06:41] <intelikey> yurimxpxman what char set you using ?
[06:42] <yurimxpxman> intelikey: utf8
[06:42] <intelikey> unicode does not produce the correct ascii  on that.   you are right about that.  but no errors.
[06:43] <yurimxpxman> intelikey: I switched to greek and it worked :P But it still doesn't show my temp. Your script isn't portable :(
[06:43] <intelikey> pastebin it
[06:43] <yurimxpxman> intelikey: what does `cat cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature` give you?
[06:44] <yurimxpxman> intelikey: mine says: temperature:             40 C
[06:44] <intelikey> yeah i'm running a little hoter  50
[06:44] <intelikey> i still think it's not "my" script   i think you edited it.
[06:45] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39178
[06:45] <intelikey> is that what you have ^ ?
[06:45] <yurimxpxman> intelikey: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35089/
[06:45] <intelikey> no   see.
[06:46] <yurimxpxman> intelikey: I have no idea what your paste is
[06:47] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39179
[06:47] <intelikey> that  ???
[06:47] <intelikey> oh  heh different   sorry.
[06:47] <Zaelore> hello
[06:47] <Zaelore> can anyone help me with something?
[06:47] <intelikey> maybe.
[06:47] <drif> Zaelore: just ask the question - no need to ask permission
[06:47] <Zaelore> I want to kill a process in kubuntu
[06:47] <yurimxpxman> intelikey: now it works. you changed something
[06:48] <yurimxpxman> Zaelore: killall appname
[06:48] <yurimxpxman> Zaelore: or push ctrl+alt+esc and click the window
[06:48] <Zaelore> it's not a gui app
[06:48] <yurimxpxman> Zaelore: then type: killall appname
[06:48] <drif> Zaelore: although be very careful with that yurimxpxman's latest tip
[06:49] <intelikey> yurimxpxman yes when you said it errored   i fixed it  and repasted it.   ^ way up there    but you didn't get the fix you edited it your self and kept telling me that "my script was at fault"      like   duh.
[06:49] <Zaelore> I was using parted earlier to look at a disc and play with it now it seems to be running in the background and I can't restart it
 yurimxpxman yes.  sorry a space in the wrong place...> yurimxpxman yes.  sorry a space in the wrong place...
[06:49] <intelikey>             http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39177
[06:49] <yurimxpxman> Zaelore: if you don't know the process's name, you can use the `top` command
[06:50] <Zaelore> it's name is 'parted' and I know it's pid too
[06:50] <Zaelore> if I do ps aux | grep parted
[06:50] <yurimxpxman> Zaelore: you could type: `killall parted` or `kill [pid] `
[06:50] <Zaelore> I get root      8583  0.0  0.2   4396  1692 ?        D    00:36   0:00 parted
[06:50] <yurimxpxman> Zaelore: you may have to run it with sudo
[06:50] <Zaelore> yeah I've tried that too
[06:50] <yurimxpxman> Zaelore: yes, run: `sudo killall parted`
[06:50] <yurimxpxman> Zaelore: what does it do?
[06:51] <drif> Zaelore: kill -9 8583
[06:51] <intelikey> Zaelore sudo  kill -9 8583
[06:51] <intelikey> Zaelore or  sudo kill -15 8583
[06:51] <Zaelore> ok tried that it didn't work
[06:51] <yurimxpxman> g2g
[06:52] <Zaelore> thanks for the help
[06:52] <Zaelore> what does -9 do?
[06:52] <intelikey> Zaelore pstree   and see what it's parrent is  sudo killall <parrent>
[06:52] <drif> Zaelore: it's KILL signal
[06:53] <drif> Zaelore: man kill
[06:53] <drif> Zaelore: to find out more
[06:53] <intelikey> -9 and -15 are signal switches to the kill command   term and kill
[06:53] <intelikey> i.e. more force.
[06:53] <Zaelore> apperantly it's parent is init
[06:54] <Zaelore> which sounds important
[06:54] <intelikey> you'll not kill that.
[06:54] <Zaelore> yeah
[06:54] <intelikey> so if you can't kill the process it's self (and that would mean something is wrong) then you are in for a reboot to kill it
[06:55] <Zaelore> yeah
[06:55] <Zaelore> that is probably what I will do
[06:55] <intelikey> and the (something wrong) would likely be  i/o errors
[06:55] <drif> Zaelore: there's slight chance the resource is so locked up it won't reboot cleanly though..
[06:56] <wers> how do I change the screen size on kubuntu? on tribe 5, the desktop was too big that only about 2/3 of the desktop was seen on my screen
[06:56] <intelikey> drif i'd say high probability
[06:56] <Zaelore> would that matter much?
[06:56] <drif> intelikey: I didn't want to sound over dramatic ;)
[06:57] <drif> Zaelore: well, not sure but you might need to power off from switch - if it happens to lock up
[06:57] <intelikey> drif it's even possable that it will require kernel side  hot keys to reset   alt+sysRQ+u/b
[06:57] <intelikey> heh i was typing that as you were.
[06:57] <Zaelore> k
[06:57] <Zaelore> reboot will probably fix it
[06:58] <intelikey> reboot will probably get you out of the hung app.
[06:58] <intelikey> as to fix...      S:
[06:59] <Zaelore> on a more mundane topic, do you know how to get wireless internet to work comming out of sleep? on an ibook g4
[06:59] <drif> intelikey: kernel side hotkeys btw?
[06:59] <intelikey>  alt+sysRQ+u/b
[06:59] <drif> intelikey: meaning..
[06:59] <intelikey> the alt key   plus   the  sysRQ key  plus   U  and then  B
[06:59] <drif> what the heck is sysRQ key?
[07:00] <Zaelore> yeah wtf is that
[07:00] <intelikey> normally found sharing the print screen key
[07:00] <drif> ah, true
[07:00] <drif> never used it as such purpose :D I recall
[07:00] <intelikey> test that key combo if you like     :)
[07:00] <drif> intelikey: not right now ;)
[07:00] <intelikey> and well see you in how ever long it takes to boot
[07:00] <drif> intelikey: what's the difference between u and b?
[07:01] <intelikey> u emergancy umount fs's   b boot
[07:01] <NoobSauce> anyone know of good video cameras (like camcorders) that work straight out of the box in ubuntu?
[07:01] <intelikey> r reset keyboard    e exit all processes
[07:01] <se7en^Of^9> is there a way to extract iso's
[07:02] <intelikey> there are some others   i just don't know them all
[07:02] <flaccid> !webcam
[07:02] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[07:02] <drif> intelikey: reset keyboard sounds bit vague when its non-responsive :D
[07:02] <flaccid> not really any straight out of box
[07:02] <intelikey> se7en^Of^9 mount it
[07:02] <se7en^Of^9> intelikey: :) sorry stupid question ...
[07:02] <drif> se7en^Of^9: you can uses as loop devices
[07:02] <drif> uses=mount
[07:03] <intelikey> mount -o loop filename.iso /mount/point
[07:03] <intelikey> translate that  ^
[07:03] <inaety> hello when i try to start a java program called alice.org i get this in the konsole and it...just stops afterwards http://pastebin.com/m1f15f273
[07:04] <nixternal> inaety: sudo update-alternatives --config javac
[07:04] <flaccid> bind
[07:04] <nixternal> inaety: and then select the sun java compiler and not the gcj one
[07:05] <intelikey> drif non-responsive can be misleading too   it may mean one key accepted every x seconds due to overloaded io buffer  in which case the hotkey would take priority   so believe it or not it often works.
[07:05] <inaety> nixternal: usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/bin/javac ?
[07:06] <nixternal> that will do it
[07:06] <inaety> nixternal: i still get the error
[07:06] <nixternal> with the libgcj.so?
[07:07] <inaety> yeah
[07:07] <nixternal> sudo update-alternatives --config java
[07:07] <nixternal> and select the sun java one
[07:08] <inaety> nixternal:  /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java
[07:08] <inaety> ?
[07:08] <nixternal> yup
[07:08] <nixternal> is this the alice program for 3d designing stuff?
[07:09] <Zaelore> my computer crashed = )
[07:09] <inaety> nixternal: thanks a lot! it worked
[07:09] <nixternal> inaety: woot!
[07:09] <yurimxpxman> Zaelore: got it yet?
[07:09] <nixternal> OK, so it was already compiled then :)
[07:09] <yurimxpxman> Zaelore: you might have to login as root (not sudo) to do it
[07:09] <yurimxpxman> Zaelore: I've had that problem once before
[07:09] <inaety> nixternal: thanks i appreciate it
[07:09] <nixternal> no problem
[07:10] <drif> nixternal: any clues why mine says 'unknown option' for --config=java?
[07:10] <Zaelore> the parted problem is fixed
[07:10] <yurimxpxman> Zaelore: how'd you do it? reboot?
[07:10] <intelikey> hey hey hey...  i think that's a pci nic in that old box   i can use it in this one...   then i can expand the small lan by using this box as a gateway to the gateway...     errr ummm that does work doesn't it ?
[07:10] <nixternal> don't do --config=java, do --config java
[07:10] <nixternal> drif: ^^
[07:10] <drif> nixternal: sorry :D
[07:10] <Zaelore> well I got this new usb disc drive
[07:10] <nixternal> tis alright
[07:10] <Zaelore> and I was messing around with parted with it
[07:11] <Zaelore> and I unmounted it somehow and got parted to hang like I told you earlier
[07:11] <Zaelore> it may have been not completely 'unmounted' but it was as far as I knew
[07:11] <drif> nixternal: thanks, that actually migh have solved one prob my friend had earlier
[07:11] <drif> +t
[07:11] <Zaelore> and I pulled the drive out of my computer
[07:11] <Zaelore> and then I was talking to the kernal
[07:11] <Zaelore> or something
[07:12] <yurimxpxman> hehe
[07:12] <Zaelore> it was weird and I couldn't find the print screen key
[07:12] <Zaelore> so I typed zf and it died
[07:12] <intelikey> Zaelore classic   :)        yeah i/o errors   kernel don't like loosing hardware he's talking to ...
[07:13] <Zaelore> lol
[07:13] <yurimxpxman> intelikey: I'd still submit a bug report, though. It should be able to recognise that the hardware was pulled
[07:14] <intelikey> yurimxpxman bug the kernel team.  not ubuntu   it's kernel side.  i/o  errors
[07:14] <yurimxpxman> intelikey: that's what I meant
[07:14] <yurimxpxman> Zaelore: you should report it on the LKML
[07:15] <Zaelore> where do I submit a bug report to the kernal team?
[07:15] <afiestas> hi, in gutsy will be posible configure wpa+static ip with a gui ? (now i'm using feisty with wlassistant)
[07:15] <yurimxpxman> Zaelore: http://www.lkml.org/
[07:16] <intelikey> yurimxpxman means the ubuntu folks "can't fix that"  the kernel developers are the ones who will have to change it if it gets changed.     linux kernels "do not like to loose mounted fs's" period.
[07:16] <yurimxpxman> Zaelore: create a new gmail account and sign up for the linux kernel mailing list, then send them a message
[07:16] <yurimxpxman> Zaelore: read the lkml faq
[07:17] <Zaelore> is it bad to use an existing account?
[07:17] <yurimxpxman> Zaelore: yes, because you'll get about a thousand e-mails a day from that list :-)
[07:18] <yurimxpxman> Zaelore: or you may wish to just e-mail the list and request that all replies be CC'd to you
[07:19] <yurimxpxman> Zaelore: the address is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:19] <yurimxpxman> Zaelore: make sure you use a mail client in GNU/Linux and not Gmail, or else your e-mail will go to the bit bucket
[07:20] <Zaelore> i'm still a little confused about whether I will be wanting replies or not
[07:21] <yurimxpxman> Zaelore: just request the replies to be CC'd to you. That way, you'll only get responses about your message. You'll want to read the replies to make sure they don't need more info
[07:23] <Zaelore> why is it bad to use gmail?
[07:24] <|biovore|> gmail is ok for crud mail..  Don't use it for secure stuff..
[07:24] <yurimxpxman> Zaelore: the list's server rejects all mail except those delivered by a GNU/Linux mail client. Stuff like hotmail and e-mails from win32 clients are ignored.
[07:25] <yurimxpxman> |biovore|: I'd hardly consider the LKML to be sensitive information
[07:25] <Zaelore> well I made a new gmail account
[07:25] <intelikey> and in the mean time we have to put up with full system lockup ....
[07:25] <|biovore|> well google spam filters block hotmail and yahoo because of spam problems..
[07:26] <yurimxpxman> |biovore|: no they don't..
[07:26] <|biovore|> I thing gmail to hotmail and yahoo has the same problems..
[07:26] <|biovore|> hehe
[07:27] <yurimxpxman> intelikey: how do you function..?
[07:27] <yurimxpxman> intelikey: you can't even order things online without e-mail :P
[07:28] <arun> intelikey: you don't email?
[07:28] <intelikey> yurimxpxman pretty regularly   and you ?
[07:28] <intelikey> :)
[07:29] <intelikey> arun  no
[07:29] <yurimxpxman> intelikey: pretty reguraly what?
[07:29] <intelikey> arun i stopped a few years back.
 intelikey: how do you function..?   <intelikey> yurimxpxman pretty regularly   and you ?  <<<<  it's  a joke....
[07:30] <intelikey> and a bad one.
[07:30] <arun> intelikey: how do you communicate? don't you need to use email where you work?
[07:31] <yurimxpxman> arun: intelikey has no life outside freenode. He's a human bot :-)
[07:31] <intelikey> arun heh  i accatually cant use email at work    so  no.   it's all hard copy  and mostly hand delivered.
[07:31] <yurimxpxman> intelikey: where do you work?
[07:31] <intelikey> yurimxpxman lol    that may be close to true...   lol
[07:31] <yurimxpxman> mcdonals? :P
[07:32] <dsmith_> hello
[07:32] <yurimxpxman> :-)
[07:32] <intelikey> yurimxpxman i really can't talk about that.   for the record i gather and distribute information,  and that's all i can say.
[07:33] <dsmith_> anyone run compiz?
[07:33] <yurimxpxman> intelikey: aha. I've done super-secret work before, too, but it wasn't exactly the legal kind.. :P
[07:33] <yurimxpxman> dsmith_: I've played with it, but I don't believe _anyone_  uses it permanently
[07:34] <intelikey> :)   then i'm probably not the guy to tell that too..  lol
[07:34] <Zaelore> uh oh he works for the fbi
[07:34] <dsmith_> hmmmm well since beryle has merged what is currently being used?
[07:34] <dsmith_> Zaelore: Nah, he's a compnay man for sure..
[07:35] <yurimxpxman> dsmith_: beryl is the new toy, but, again, I don't believe anyone actually uses it all the time
[07:35] <mendred> dsmith_: compiz-fusion.. (#compiz-fusion)
[07:35] <dsmith_> mendred: thx
[07:35] <mendred> yurimxpxman: ur looking at one who uses it all the time :)
[07:35] <yurimxpxman> dsmith_: or #beryl would be better
[07:35] <dsmith_> I've run beryl
[07:35] <yurimxpxman> mendred: why..?
[07:35] <dsmith_> kinda buggy
[07:36] <mendred> yurimxpxman: expo and scale plugins mostly..very convenient
[07:36] <mendred> and plus the gutsy compiz seems very stable and fast
[07:36] <mendred> on kde
[07:36] <mendred> so why not
[07:38] <megalomaniac> thanks...
[07:38] <intelikey> yeah but it didn't answer
[07:38] <megalomaniac> anyone know the linux equivelent to winrar?
[07:38] <intelikey> just checking your "* yurimxpxman/#kubuntu is actually using konversation atm"
[07:38] <yurimxpxman> megalomaniac: ark
[07:39] <intelikey> !rar
[07:39] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[07:39] <dsmith_> !7zip
[07:39] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with ark - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[07:39] <yurimxpxman> !dsmith_
[07:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dsmith_ - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:39] <intelikey> oh my poor little server is so bawged down...
[07:40] <megalomaniac> thaks a lot....
[07:41] <yurimxpxman> intelikey: you're speaking to a person who hosts ssh & apache and uploads torrents at the same time on a 384kbps upload.. yikes
[07:42] <intelikey> yurimxpxman dialup here    still care to compare notes ?
[07:42] <yurimxpxman> intelikey: what do you host?
[07:42] <intelikey> myself
[07:42] <intelikey> :)
[07:43] <intelikey> just a gateway   but it's in the process of apt-get dist-upgrade    right now.  so it's boged
[07:43] <intelikey> swamp'd
[07:44] <intelikey> no only in the dmz
[07:44] <intelikey> infact you shouldn't have found any open ports out there
[07:45] <yurimxpxman> intelikey: didn't try. I just tried 80
[07:45] <intelikey> and i don't run apache
[07:45] <intelikey> cherokee
[07:46] <yurimxpxman> NickPresta: why?
[07:46] <intelikey> you also need to remember what i have spent on computers     $0.00
[07:46] <yurimxpxman> intelikey: why?
[07:46] <intelikey> not sure how much lag  so   why what ?
[07:47] <yurimxpxman> intelikey: I thought FBI agents made a pretty good living :P
[07:47] <intelikey> they probably do.
[07:48] <NickPresta> yurimxpxman, sisters are downloading a movie or something else stupid. I'm seeding a Kubuntu DVD image. My sisters and I are all logged into IM, I'm on XChat, plus my HTTP server.  I'm in the only one awake...
[07:49] <wastedfluid> hi guys.  Is /usr/lib/hal/scripts/linux the scripts for hibernate+standby in KDE?
[07:49] <NickPresta> drif, I've told them countless times about upload slots, max connection, max upload, etc. They're stubborn. heh
[07:49] <Agent_bob> "irc, where men are men,  and women are men,   and children are..."
[07:50] <drif> Agent_bob: your colleagues?
[07:50] <NickPresta> wastedfluid, it appears so. Try `cat /usr/lib/hal/scripts/linux/hal-system-power-reboot-linux`. It looks like it...
[07:50] <wastedfluid> NickPresta: thanks.
[07:51] <wastedfluid> just implementing s2disk, and s2ram..
[07:51] <Agent_bob> drif  :)   in a sense i suppose
[07:51] <yurimxpxman> ..but can't put his away message on because it already is :-)
[07:52] <Agent_bob> drif you can probably google that quote.  i don't recall who's it is...
[07:52] <NickPresta> wastedfluid, try the 'hibernate' package. It might do what you want...
[07:52] <NickPresta> !hibernate
[07:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hibernate - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:52] <NickPresta> wastedfluid,  http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/utils/hibernate
[07:52] <wastedfluid> NickPresta: No thanks.  I know for sure s2disk works.
[07:53] <drif> Agent_bob: I'm familiar with that quote.. "..fbi agents"
[07:53] <Agent_bob> !hybernate
[07:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hybernate - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:53] <wastedfluid> I've never been successful with anything other than s2disk.. from 6.06 up.
[07:53] <wastedfluid> but, thank you anyway.. I appreciate it.
[07:53] <Agent_bob> well NickPresta there used to be an infonode on that...
[07:53] <drif> should consider sleep I guess
[07:54] <wastedfluid> I should, to
[07:54] <wastedfluid> too* - ack!
[07:54] <Agent_bob> drif shalom,   and sleep well
[07:54] <NickPresta> wastedfluid, try this too: http://blog.paulbetts.org/index.php/2007/02/11/fixing-software-suspend-hibernate-with-uswsusp-in-ubuntu-feisty-and-edgy/
[07:55] <wastedfluid> Oh, NickPresta.  I've already installed uswsusp.. that is the s2disk.
[07:55] <drif> Agent_bob: thanks :)
[07:56] <NickPresta> wastedfluid, oh. heh.
[07:56] <wastedfluid> hehe. ty though.
[07:58] <wastedfluid> thanks again, Nick.
[07:58] <wastedfluid> Good day.
[07:59] <intelikey> if init runs a script that calls  apt-get   where will the output be ?
[08:00] <intelikey> tty0 ?
[08:00] <intelikey> tty8 ?
[08:01] <intelikey> i'd like to check the progress   but don't want to phisically go to the box...   isn't that sad...
[08:01] <flaccid> not really
[08:02] <intelikey> you only say cause you are the same way...  :)
[08:02] <flaccid> true
[08:15] <intelikey> wow.   hot debate in ##linux    windows -vs- the unstable unsuable super-expensive *nix world.   heh
[08:15] <intelikey> or actually a troll getting picked apart...
[08:20] <intelikey> so anyone know, if init runs a script that calls:  apt-get dist-upgrade -y  :where will the output be ?   so i can check up on it, every few hours...   ?
[08:23] <flaccid> um check all tty?
[08:23] <drif> intelikey: why not redirect output(s) to file?
[08:27] <intelikey> -:- CTCP PING reply from intelikey: 228.723 seconds
[08:28] <intelikey> sorry.
[08:39] <gnyffel> Can anyone think of why aptitude insists that the linux-restricted-modules-generic has <IP_ADDRESS>.14 as a dependency, despite 2.6.20-16 being available?
[08:39] <dhq> how do i monitor incomin connections
[08:39] <drif> dhq: netstat
[08:39] <drif> dhq: or what do you mean precisely
[08:39] <dhq> drif, i mean bluetooth connections
[08:43] <dhq> how di i monitor  bluetooth connections
[08:43] <dhq> how do i monitor  bluetooth connections
[08:44] <SteamMachine> Hello World!
[08:46] <standa> hello everybody
[08:47] <flaccid> !info kbluetooth
[08:47] <ubotu> Package kbluetooth does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[08:47] <flaccid> !bluetooth
[08:47] <ubotu> For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[08:54] <dhq> is there anyway i can use my pc as a headset for my cell via bluetooth
[08:55] <drif> dhq: yup, we once accidentaly (wasn't our purpose at the moment) paired up cellphone and laptop
[08:56] <drif> laptop's soundcard to be more exact
[08:56] <dhq> drif, how do i do it
[08:56] <drif> dhq: hard to say right away, I don't have any bluetotth devices in my linux setup
[08:56] <dhq> :(
[08:58] <dhq> drif, can you link me if you have any idea
[08:59] <drif> dhq: http://ubuntuforums.org/search.php?searchid=26045232
[09:00] <drif> dhq: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=bluetooth&titlesearch=Titles
[09:01] <gundam_rx78nt1> Hello, I have installed Kubuntu on my laptop and the login screen is scrolling off the screen when I move my mouse in any direction past the screen. I think that it is virtually expanded and I want to change it so it can display the page with the correct resolution. Any pointers?
[09:02] <drif> gundam_rx78nt1: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and match your "Virtual" with your real resolution
[09:03] <gundam_rx78nt1> Ok, let me try that.
[09:03] <paritosh> is there a way to recover your /var. i lost it when i tried to mount it on a separate partition.
[09:03] <drif> lost it?
[09:03] <paritosh> i mean...like you have to copy the stuff from the original /var to the new partition right?
[09:04] <paritosh> the permissions got messed up during that process
[09:04] <paritosh> now some programs can't write to their directories, so my system is kind of broken in some ways
[09:04] <combo> what should i do if some of programms i want to install need 'libdaaf2-0'? where can i get this ?
 my adept crashes
 help please.
[09:06] <paritosh> ?
[09:06] <drif> jake: "he" is a bot..
[09:07] <drif> jake: it does sometimes..use apt-get or aptitude istead?
[09:07] <jake> yah. but he detecting the word adept crash
[09:08] <jake> he gave the right command before
[09:08] <paritosh> !ubotu
[09:08] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[09:08] <paritosh> !ubotu adept crash
[09:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adept crash - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:09] <jake> my adept says i cannot modify it, it says some other app running
[09:09] <combo> !libfaad
[09:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libfaad - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:09] <jake> help guys please
[09:10] <jake> !adept
[09:10] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[09:10] <combo> jake: reboot system cuz adept is using by some else apps
[09:10] <drif> jake: sudo lsof /var/cache/apt/*
[09:10] <drif> jake: to see if something is already accessing it
[09:11] <jake> i did it but nothing happens
[09:11] <drif> no output?
[09:11] <jake> ! adept crashes
[09:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adept crashes - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:11] <NickPresta> what are you trying to figure out?
[09:11] <NickPresta> adept crashed?
[09:11] <NickPresta> !adept
[09:11] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[09:12] <NickPresta> !adeptfix
[09:12] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[09:12] <NickPresta> that's it...
[09:13] <jake> yes!! this is what im looking for! thanx
[09:14] <MrBougo> hiho
[09:15] <MrBougo> is it possible to set up an alias that is usable with sudo?
[09:15] <uubu> alias for a command?
[09:16] <MrBougo> yup
[09:16] <uubu> what would you like the command to do?
[09:16] <MrBougo> i set up an alias
[09:17] <MrBougo> but i cant use it with sudo
[09:17] <MrBougo> its not about a specific alias
[09:17] <jake> anybody here guys using a vmware?
[09:17] <MrBougo> but if i set up aliases, i cant use them with sudo
[09:17] <uubu> by alias do you mean symlink?
[09:17] <jake> i installed vm player
[09:17] <MrBougo> jake: a vmware hostink kubuntu or a kubuntu with vmware?
[09:17] <MrBougo> a bash alias uubu
[09:18] <jake> yes
[09:18] <jake> i wanna install windows to my kubuntu
[09:19] <uubu> how are you setting the alias, MrBougo
[09:19] <MrBougo> alias <something>="<omething else>"
[09:20] <uubu> might i suggest #bash
[09:20] <uubu> what is the actual problem with the alias you made
[09:20] <MrBougo> i'm on it
[09:20] <MrBougo> the channel is pretty empty
[09:20] <MrBougo> oh wait
[09:21] <phoenixz> I just did a full upgrade from within adept manager, and now I don't see the hibernate option anymore in the shutdown screen.. why is this, and how do I get hibernate back?
[09:21] <gundam_rx78nt1> drif: that didn't work. It changed the resolution on the login screen but it also changes the desktop resolution to the same resolution as the virtual setting. I have an nvidia chipset card.
[09:21] <MrBougo> okay uubu
[09:22] <MrBougo> they suggested me to mak a scipt
[09:22] <uubu> what is the actual problem. what is the actual alias you tried to set... i dont know the problem yet
[09:22] <jake> MrBougo where do i get vmware server?
[09:22] <uubu> jake: http://vmware.com
[09:23] <uubu> !vmware > jake
[09:23] <paritosh> how do you find what process writes to a directory in /var
[09:29] <uubu> Linux ubuntu 2.6.20-15-generic #2 SMP Sun Apr 15 07:36:31 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[09:29] <uubu> oopsy
[09:35] <combo> !streamtuner
[09:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about streamtuner - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:45] <combo> what was command to install ntfs-configure so i can make ntfs partion writable ? :]
[09:46] <combo> !pastebin
[09:46] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:46] <flaccid> !fuse
[09:46] <ubotu> FUSE (Filesystem in Userspace) is a !kernel driver that allows non-root users to create their own filesystems. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_in_Userspace for more on FUSE.  Some examples of filesystems that use FUSE are !ntfs-3g, sshfs and isofs. A full list of Filesystems that use FUSE is here:  http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/FileSystems
[09:46] <flaccid> !ntfs-3g
[09:46] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[09:47] <combo> flaccid: yes, i have 3g but also need something else to configure that
[09:47] <combo> !ntfs
[09:47] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[09:48] <flaccid> it says it on that page: Enable the universe repository and install the ntfs-config package. See Installing Software.
[09:48] <flaccid> !info ntfs-config
[09:48] <ubotu> ntfs-config: Enable/disable write support for any NTFS devices. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.5-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 41 kB, installed size 432 kB
[09:49] <combo> !secpolicy
[09:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about secpolicy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:59] <nobbi> moin moin
[10:01] <danya> hello .. I need some help .. I don't know whats wrong with my system .yesterday I cou;dnt log into gnome till now ..whenever I choose gnome desktop nothing appears on the desktop .. anyone ?
[10:01] <danya> I'm on feisty 64-bit
[10:02] <Lynoure> danya: You might get better help on that on #ubuntu if your kde login works fine
[10:02] <danya> Lynoure : thanks
[10:06] <NickPresta> !hardware
[10:06] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[10:06] <NickPresta> good ubotu
[10:06] <NickPresta> !botsnack
[10:06] <ubotu> Yum!  Welcome to #kubuntu!
[10:10] <MrBougo> when i write my bash script, i try to execute it
[10:10] <MrBougo> isnt it supposed to work without using the "sh" command?
[10:11] <NickPresta> assuming you havea shebang
[10:11] <NickPresta> and its +x
[10:11] <MrBougo> a shebang?
[10:11] <pag> MrBougo, chmod +x yourscript  and  ./yourscript
[10:11] <NickPresta> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebang_%28Unix%29
[10:11] <pag> make sure you're in the right directory
[10:11] <MrBougo> yup
[10:12] <NickPresta> so #!/bin/sh and then chmod +x script. then ./yourscript
[10:12] <MrBougo> oh, that's called a shebang
[10:12] <MrBougo> i didnt know
[10:13] <NickPresta> hashbang/shebang
[10:13] <gundam_rx78nt1> how and where do I change the login screen resolution? I have on my grub menu.lst file vga=0x317 and whenever I change my virtual resolution on my xorg.conf file, it changes the desktop resolution. Please help me.
[10:13] <pag> I'd reccomend #!/bin/bash  since ubuntu has a 'nice' feature to point sh to dash
[10:15] <NickPresta> pag, yes. I forgot to mention that since I updated the symlink (stupid dash).
[10:17] <carbonfreeze> its best to call with /usr/bin/env bash for platform friendlyness
[10:19] <NickPresta> if your script is posix compliant, you might as well use /bin/sh as /bin/sh is supposed to point to a posix compliant shell.
[10:25] <NickPresta> well, I'm off to sleep. Goodnight #kubuntu
[10:52] <|marco|> italiani?
[10:53] <|marco|> italiani?
[10:53] <|marco|> ????
[10:53] <pag> !it
[10:53] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[10:54] <MrBougo> oh, kubuntu-it exists too?
[10:54] <MrBougo> !de
[10:54] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:54] <MrBougo> !nl
[10:54] <ubotu> Nederlandstalige ondersteuning voor Ubuntu (en vers gezette koffie) is te vinden in #ubuntu-nl
[10:56] <MrBougo> !ubotu
[10:56] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[10:56] <MrBougo> !it | |marco|
[10:56] <ubotu> |marco|: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[10:57] <MrBougo> he didnt understand
[11:01] <MrBougo> bye
[11:13] <combo> always after start-up there is a adept-manager informing me that i have to upgrade libfaad2-0. and i'm always upgrading it :/ how can i stop that ?
[11:13] <guitarhero> hi
[11:15] <pag> combo, disable one of two conflicting repos
[11:15] <combo> pag: how to do that, master ? :)
[11:17] <pag> combo, it's hard to say... could you pastebin the output of " apt-cache policy libfaad2-0 "
[11:17] <combo> pag: ok
[11:18] <combo> pag: done :: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35092/
[11:19] <pag> combo, what's that "http://ubuntu.cafuego.net feisty-cafuego/all" repo? anything important?
[11:20] <combo> pag: let me see...
[11:21] <combo> pag: i have this repo from forum... don't know actually what is this... but not necessary :P
[11:21] <combo> delete this repo ?
[11:21] <germaine> french room pls
[11:21] <pag> combo, comment it - there's no need to delete anything :)
[11:21] <pag> !fr | germaine
[11:22] <ubotu> germaine: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:22] <germaine> ty ubo
[11:22] <pag> combo, iow: prefix lines related to thet repo in sources.list with #
[11:22] <germaine> ubo i have some  problem for install yahoo messenger
[11:23] <combo> pag: done :)
[11:23] <pag> !ubotu | germaine
[11:23] <ubotu> germaine: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[11:23] <combo> pag: thanks a lot :D
[11:23] <pag> combo, does it work now?
[11:23] <pag> germaine, why are you trying to install Yahoo messenger - try using Kopete instead
[11:24] <combo> pag: reboot and then we'll see that
[11:24] <pag> combo, don't reboot. just " sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade "
[11:25] <linoleum_> hi guys, I m kurently using ubuntu, but I m doing an apt-get install kde at the moment ... is there any way , to use kde4 instead of the normal kde 3.5 ?
[11:25] <pag> linoleum_, please see http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php
[11:26] <pag> linoleum_, and in my personal opinion; you should've installed kubuntu-desktop instead of kde
[11:27] <combo> pag: now it works! no more this stupid adept manager update :D
[11:27] <linoleum_> pag, tkx for that. Why shoud I installe kubuntu-desktop instead of KDE ? I m a gnome user, I just want to try KDE for 1 week, and if possible, kde 4 too . I wish to have both desktop envirmenemt, but keep the ubuntu base
[11:28] <dhq> flash doesnt seem to be working on my pc
[11:28] <dhq> !flash
[11:28] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[11:29] <combo> how can i edit KDM themes?
[11:30] <combo> i mean how to change login theme ? :]
[11:30] <combo> ...if downloaded some new stuff
[11:31] <dhq> flash doesnt work for me :(
[11:32] <germaine> why it is impossible of  to go in room with kepete
[11:32] <germaine> kopete
[11:36] <pag> linoleum, sorry that took so long: kubuntu-desktop is a usable enviroment, with good programms chosen for you, while kde is just a package that contains pretty much everything kde-project has created
[11:37] <pag> combo, install kdmtheme -package
[11:38] <pag> !doesntwork | dhq
[11:38] <ubotu> dhq: Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[11:39] <combo> pag: :)
[11:39] <dhq> pag, well firefox doesnt display flash it crashes
[11:40] <combo> pag: '-package' option is unknown
[11:40] <pag> dhq, does other browsers work?
[11:40] <combo> maybe without '-package' ? :)
[11:40] <pag> combo, sudo apt-get install kdemtheme
[11:40] <combo> right :]
[11:40] <combo> done already, thanks
[11:41] <MilhousePunkRock> combo: System Settings, Appearance, KDM theme manager, add theme
[11:41] <MilhousePunkRock> combo: Install new theme, to be precise
[11:41] <dhq> pag, konqueror works to some extent
[11:42] <pag> dhq, which ubuntu version and arch are you running?
[11:42] <dhq> fiesty
[11:47] <combo> MilhousePunkRock: uhh... now i see u wrote that cuz i've just wanted to ask how to install new themes :D thx for answer ;)
[11:47] <combo> - i couldn't find that
[11:50] <wers> have anyone here tried cnr?
[11:50] <wers> it seems to be operating now
[11:56] <combo> MilhousePunkRock: to change KDM theme - as u said - i have to click on Administration Mode... and there is no such button :|
[11:56] <combo> ...so i can't change KDM theme :]
[11:56] <MilhousePunkRock> combo: You need to scroll down a bit, it's probably not on the screen (for whatever reasons)
[11:57] <combo> MilhousePunkRock: crap! can't find that
[11:58] <pag> combo, or use " kdesu systemsettings " it'll open Sys.Set.s with Admin priviledges
[11:58] <combo> there is no scroll option anywhere
[11:58] <combo> pag: try that
[11:58] <MilhousePunkRock> combo: Otherwise try kcontrol
[11:58] <combo> pag: it works :)
[11:58] <combo> ok thanks for help guys
[12:00] <phanatik> haaaaaalllooo wer ist hier deutsch, kennt sich mit beryl und xgl aus und kann mir helfen?
[12:01] <pag> !de | phanatik
[12:01] <ubotu> phanatik: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[12:05] <Naugas> Hi! How do I install locales separately for use of native characters?
[12:07] <Naugas> Found it mentioned here - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WriteSupportForNTFS - but I can't find much more...
[12:08] <Naugas> ...like what install it "separately" is? I've installed swedish through adept manager.
[12:09] <Naugas> or maybe not... :\ only for kde it seems like.
[12:11] <ksivaji> is it possible compile gtk programming with
[12:11] <ksivaji> can i compile gtk program using gcc
[12:12] <ksivaji> !gtk
[12:12] <ubotu> GTK is the !GIMP toolkit, which forms the base of !GNOME and is used by many applications to provide a !GUI
[12:12] <combo> - where are defaultly saved KDE wallpapers ?
[12:14] <combo> i meant where are defaulty KDE wallpapers ? :}
[12:19] <combo> can someone tell me where are deafult KDE wallpapers ? which folder ? :]
[12:19] <runlevelten> ksivaji: yes. combo: kdeprefix/share/wallpapers iirc
[12:20] <runlevelten> ie: /usr/share/wallpapers
[12:21] <ksivaji> runlevelten  http://pastebin.com/d3149dadd      see this
[12:21] <combo> runlevelten: THXXXX :)))
[12:23] <runlevelten> ksivaji: most errors compiling are through dependency problems.
[12:23] <runlevelten> ksivaji: You fulfil dependencies for compilations not with the normal packahes, but the dev ones
[12:24] <runlevelten> so blah-devel, blah_devel, blah-dev :)
[12:24] <ksivaji> runlevelten i cant get you gtk is new for me
[12:25] <runlevelten> Well it's general advice. You're missing gtk development files, which will be in the repos
[12:28] <ksivaji> runlevelten but how to locate tthat fiile
[12:31] <runlevelten> sudo apt-cache search gtk | grep dev and install the one that fits your current gtk version
[12:31] <phayz> i'm trying to enabled the 'artwiz' (bitmap) fonts.  after installed the deb package, i ran the command "sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig" and restarted X
[12:32] <phayz> my problem is that these fonts are not visible to kde apps and i don't understand why
[12:34] <phayz> bbiaf
[12:44] <solarwaver> is anyone knows why when i play a game computer shutdown
[12:45] <phayz> solarwaver: can you find any relevant messages in the various system's logs - /var/log? - e.g. /var/log/messages
[12:45] <ksivaji> solarwaver it happen only when you play games or all the tome ?
[12:45] <ksivaji> time*
[12:46] <phayz> solarwaver: are you running the game under the X or from the console?
[12:46] <solarwaver> from the x
[12:48] <phayz> solarwaver: in that case you should check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for relevant messages
[12:48] <solarwaver> is something with the nvidia glx
[12:49] <solarwaver> ?
[12:50] <phayz> solarwaver: has this problem started recently or has it "always" happened?
[12:50] <solarwaver> it always happen
[12:50] <combo_> do u use guarddog perhaps ? :}
[12:50] <solarwaver> what is guardog?
[12:51] <combo_> !guarddog
[12:51] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[12:51] <combo_> - can't configure in guarddog FrosWire connection :]
[12:51] <phayz> solarwaver: are you sure you're using the correct nvidia driver for your card?
[12:52] <solarwaver> nvidia glx?
[12:54] <phayz> solarwaver: there are about three different nvidia driver packages available from (k)ubuntu, i believe
[12:55] <phayz> solarwaver: did you use "restricted-manager" to install the proprietary nvidia driver?
[12:57] <solarwaver> i use adept
[12:58] <solarwaver> i have a nvidia geforce 4 mx440 128m
[12:58] <solarwaver> and i intall nvidia glx
[12:59] <solarwaver> i must restart stem after that?
[12:59] <phayz> solarwaver: i'm not an expert in this area, sorry
[12:59] <phayz> solarwaver: after this installation, you should at least have restarted X
[12:59] <solarwaver> what is the 3 packages?
[01:00] <phayz> solarwaver: is it possible to disable the use of glx in the game you're trying to play - just as a test?
[01:00] <phayz> solarwaver: nvidia-glx, nvidia-glx-new and nvidia-glx-legacy
[01:00] <solarwaver> waiut a minuteto restart
[01:03] <solarwaver> hello
[01:05] <phayz> solarwaver: hello 2 u  :)
[01:05] <solarwaver> hi pahyz
[01:06] <solarwaver> until now it is not playing anything
[01:06] <richard> can someone give me the command to fix adept if its screwed
[01:06] <runlevelten> !adeptfix
[01:06] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[01:08] <combo_> - is GUARDDOG launching at start-up automaticly ?
[01:08] <richard> cheers obotu thats the one i was looking for! =)
[01:09] <phayz> solarwaver: sorry for the delay - i don't know what else might be going wrong
[01:09] <phayz> solarwaver: maybe google for the message in /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[01:10] <phayz> solarwaver: also, check that you're using the correct nvidia-glx-XXX package but checking the list of drivers and cards on nvidia's web site
[01:14] <solarwaver> how i change color depht
[01:14] <solarwaver> ?
[01:14] <jana> hello, what's the status bcm43xx-fwcutter?
[01:15] <jana> because it doesn't work
[01:16] <solarwaver> how i change color depht?
[01:18] <jana> how do i install bcm43xx firmware because it doesn't work: http://pastebin.com/m7d1e3588
[01:19] <nosrednaekim> jana: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=405990
[01:22] <phayz> solarwaver: to force a specific color depth, add a line to your /etc/X11/xorgc.conf file's "Screen" section - "Defaultdepth XX", where XX is the depth you want
[01:24] <Q-collective> Hello all, could anyone point me to a nice wireless howto for a broadcom card?
[01:26] <nosrednaekim> Q-collective: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=405990
[01:27] <phayz> solarwaver: sorry but i've got to go for the night
[01:29] <Q-collective> nosrednaekim: thank you, I have a broadcom 57xx card though and that howto is written for 43xx cards, does that matter?
[01:29] <nosrednaekim> Q-collective: to tell you the truth IDK... i've never read it :)
[01:29] <nosrednaekim> let me see
[01:29] <Q-collective> hehe
[01:30] <flaccid> !wireless
[01:30] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[01:31] <flaccid> which modem broadcom exactly
[01:32] <nosrednaekim> Q-collective: no, it probably does not.
[01:32] <nosrednaekim> Q-collective: wait a second.... the 57xx is ETHERNET.
[01:33] <flaccid> http://www.broadcom.com/support/ethernet_nic/netxtreme_server.php ?
[01:33] <Q-collective> Network controller: Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card (rev 01)
[01:33] <Q-collective> that's what lspci says to me
[01:33] <Q-collective> :>
[01:33] <nosrednaekim> Q-collective: I thing thats a 43xx
[01:34] <nosrednaekim> *think
[01:34] <Q-collective> ok
[01:34] <germaine> why when i click  joint a room   i am not in an room
[01:34] <combo_> why frostwire cannot connect to the network ? :|
[01:34] <germaine> i have gaim
[01:34] <germaine> i must donwload some plugins
[01:35] <germaine> or no
[01:35] <solarwaver> i have a nviadia geforce 4 mx440 128mb which driver is the best the lecasy or the glx?
[01:35] <nosrednaekim> germaine: whats the problem?
[01:35] <nosrednaekim> solarwaver: glx
[01:35] <nosrednaekim> but not glx-new
[01:36] <germaine> the probleme is  gaim   when i click joint a room  impossible  to get
[01:36] <germaine> arizona:1  i click and nothing
[01:36] <runlevelten> for what protocol?
[01:36] <runlevelten> Yahoo?
[01:36] <germaine> i do not know
[01:37] <runlevelten> You don't know... what service you have signed up for...
[01:37] <runlevelten> ?
[01:37] <solarwaver> the lecasy one for the old nvidia cards right?
[01:37] <flaccid> Q-collective, here you go https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCardsDell
[01:37] <nosrednaekim> yay flaccid!!
[01:38] <flaccid> Q-collective, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/1390
[01:38] <solarwaver> nosrednaekim the driver for the older nvidia cards?
[01:39] <germaine> run i do not know
[01:39] <germaine> i have just donwload
[01:40] <solarwaver> nosrednaekim the driver for the older nvidia cards?
[01:40] <nosrednaekim> solarwaver: the geforce 4 are very odd, they are not supported by the legacy driver, and are not supported by the newest drivers. Use the mvidia-glx package
[01:40] <nosrednaekim> solarwaver: please do not repeat yourself, it is rude.
[01:41] <gorgonizer> is there an easy way to add pata_via driver to the kernel without having to rebuild it?  If not, what is the best methodology of rebuilding a Kubuntu kernel?  I have rebuilt Gentoo/Debian kernels, is it a similar process?
[01:41] <nosrednaekim> gorgonizer: it is very similar(probably identical) to Debian's
[01:41] <solarwaver> ok
[01:42] <nosrednaekim> gorgonizer: but you can probably just build a module, but I guess it depends on the function.
[01:43] <gorgonizer> nosrednaekim: cheers for that, how would I build just the module?
[01:43] <nosrednaekim> gorgonizer: probably just go get the source, unzip it, an run "make" and "make install"
[01:44] <nosrednaekim> gorgonizer: the source will have instructions
[01:45] <germaine> #  netstat -laputen
[01:45] <gorgonizer> thanks for the assist!!
[01:46] <germaine> some  are close_wait
[01:58] <combo_> what is ALT+SPACE shortcut actually ? i have some window with 'catapult' ?!
[01:58] <fdoving> you can launch apps from it.
[01:58] <combo_> fdoving: every app ?
[01:58] <fdoving> start typing for example 'konq' and you'll get Konqueror.
[01:58] <fdoving> combo_: every app in the menu.
[01:58] <combo_> WOA!
[01:58] <combo_> such great!
[01:58] <combo_> :D:D
[01:59] <fdoving> you can also enable other things.
[01:59] <combo_> so what is shortcut for minimize window then ?
[01:59] <fdoving> like 'spell someword'
[01:59] <combo_> i used for all my life ALT+Space+N
[01:59] <combo_> :]
[01:59] <combo_> fdoving: programmers made GREAT job! xD
[02:00] <solarwaver> nosrednaekim where can i find the mvidia-glx
[02:00] <solarwaver> ?
[02:00] <fdoving> combo_: you can try alt+f5 to minimize.
[02:01] <combo_> fdoving: and where can i change it ?
[02:01] <combo_> ok, found that :)
[02:01] <fdoving> combo_: kmenu -> system settings -> keyboard & mouse -> keyboard shortcuts
[02:02] <solarwaver> is anyone knows what package i use for nvidia GeForce 4 mx 440 128 mb?
[02:02] <combo_> fdoving: thanks for explanation
[02:02] <fdoving> you're welcome.
[02:04] <gorgonizer> solarwaver: I would imagine nvidia-glx, rather than the legacy or new ones..
[02:05] <solarwaver> the nvidia-glx is for the new ones?
[02:06] <solarwaver> is working with sudo?
[02:08] <Q-collective> hmm
[02:09] <sehe> hmmm u 2 :D
[02:09] <Q-collective> ndiswrapper is giving me an error
[02:09] <Q-collective> $ sudo ndiswrapper -l
[02:09] <Q-collective> bcmwl5 : invalid driver!
[02:09] <Q-collective> :\
[02:09] <sehe> Q-collective: are you malqos from last nite?
[02:09] <Q-collective> no
[02:09] <sehe> Q-collective: mmm same erorr
[02:09] <Q-collective> ah
[02:10] <sehe> Q-collective: i'd wage a google on it, since it is probably more NDIS related than *ubuntu
[02:10] <sehe> Q-collective: he had same message with same driver
[02:10] <werner_> guten tag
[02:10] <sehe> hi werner_
[02:10] <sehe> !de
[02:10] <Q-collective> sehe: alright
[02:10] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[02:11] <sehe> Q-collective: if it is a broadcom NIC, you may be able to use fwcutter (i use it)
[02:11] <sehe> !find fwcutter | Q-collective
[02:11] <ubotu> q-collective: Found: bcm43xx-fwcutter
[02:11] <solarwaver> i install nvidia-glx with sudo apt-get install its ok?
[02:11] <sehe> solarwaver: go ahead
[02:11] <sehe> solarwaver: it's your pc, init?
[02:12] <solarwaver> what r u mean?
[02:13] <sehe> solarwaver: no, what do *you* mean. You ask whether it is ok to install something.
[02:13] <sehe> solarwaver: of course it is. What is your *question*? Any worries?
[02:13] <solarwaver> it doesn't play anything
[02:13] <sehe> solarwaver: it?
[02:14] <solarwaver> ubuntu i mean
[02:14] <sehe> solarwaver: games? what?
[02:14] <sehe> !doesn't work | solarwaver
[02:14] <ubotu> solarwaver: Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[02:15] <solarwaver> the games of ubuntu scorched 3d , nexuiz , tec doesn,t play
[02:15] <Q-collective> sehe: I cannot install bcm43xx-fwcutter
[02:15] <Q-collective> http://pastebin.com/m10589eec
[02:15] <sehe> Q-collective: i use fwcutter myself, i never did like to use NDIS. Still relies on proprietary (windows , ugh) drievrs
[02:16] <sehe> Q-collective: that's a broken link in debian packages. Unfortunate
[02:16] <sehe> Q-collective: i don't have the package file, you might find it in a package repo
[02:17] <sehe> solarwaver: so you need better graphics drievrs, ic. Is your card nvidia?
[02:17] <solarwaver> tes
[02:17] <solarwaver> yes
[02:17] <Q-collective> sehe: then where do I put it?
[02:18] <sehe> Q-collective: anywhere, run 'dpkg -i <packagefile>' to install (or rightclick menu in konq)
[02:18] <sehe> solarwaver: looks like you should install the nvidia stuff indeed.
[02:18] <sehe> !nvidia | solarwaver
[02:18] <solarwaver> nvidia Geforce 4 mx440 128
[02:18] <ubotu> solarwaver: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:18] <FSHero> !NFS
[02:18] <ubotu> nfs is the network file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
[02:19] <runlevelten> There is no such error as "Doesn't Play".
[02:19] <sehe> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/bcm43xx-fwcutter
[02:19] <sehe> runlevelten: thanks for sharing :)
[02:19] <sehe> Q-collective: ^^
[02:19] <Q-collective> :)
[02:20] <runlevelten> sehe: You're welcome.
[02:20] <gorgonizer> runlevelten: cheers, that made me laugh :)
[02:20] <sehe> hehehe all back at cruising speed aren't we :) lol
[02:22] <sehe> Q-collective: i don't exactlt know how fwcutter is supposed to work with the driver modules, but I remember, the driver was in the standard kernel, all I needed is run 'bcm43xx-fwcutter from the console.
[02:22] <sehe> Q-collective: apparently it is only there to avoid legal issues (firmware may be proprietory)
[02:24] <Q-collective> heh
[02:24] <Q-collective> now it gives me a dephell ;_;
[02:24] <sehe> ok i see i linked to unstable
[02:25] <sehe> maybe find a stable .deb
[02:25] <Q-collective> right
[02:26] <sehe> Q-collective: or follow the directions in this page to download directly from berlios (and compile it yourself) http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Networking/HOW_TO_install_the_Broadcom_bcm43xx_Driver_in_Debian_Linux_and_enable_WPA_Encryption
[02:26] <Q-collective> ah, thx
[02:27] <sehe> i think http://packages.debian.org/stable/utils/bcm43xx-fwcutter could work a bit better
[02:27] <sehe> Q-collective: really, there is a problem with the package, so you might report it as a bug
[02:27] <sehe> !bug
[02:27] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[02:28] <Q-collective> yeah, that's the package that is giving me troubles
[02:28] <Q-collective> so yeah, I'll report it, later on
[02:29] <sehe> Q-collective:  ok. seems like the only alternative is berlios (see howto^^). Unless of course you get NDIS to work after all
[02:34] <fdoving> does anyone have compiz working with kde-window-decorator on gutsy
[02:34] <fdoving> ?
[02:34] <sehe> fdoving: i don't but try #ubuntu+1
[02:48] <combo_> can someone help me with codecs? i installed them via AUTOMATIX but it looks there is something missin' :|
[02:48] <combo_> [ ** AUTOMATIX v2 of cuz ]
[02:48] <sehe> combo_: it looks like... what do you see that leads you to that idea?
[02:49] <combo_> i see an image buit defromated in one of my *avi movie
[02:49] <combo_> and there is no subtitles in it
[02:49] <pag> !automatix | combo_
[02:49] <ubotu> combo_: Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[02:49] <sehe> !codec | combo_
[02:49] <ubotu> combo_: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:50] <combo_> sehe: i though that a-matix installs EVERY necessary codecs. :S
[02:50] <sehe> combo_: seems installation went fine. could be known limitations of the particular (nonfree) codecs. Have a look at their respectivce websites
[02:50] <combo_> sehe: ok
[02:50] <sehe> combo_: nothing wrong with automatics, pag is right in pointing out limited warranty
[02:54] <combo_> craaaaap! under totem THAT movie works fine... mplayer doesn't work same like my favourite Kaffeine :]
[02:54] <combo_> is this depended on movie player ?
[02:55] <sehe> combo_: actually engine used. Kaffeine, e.g. can work with xine engine, kaffeine engine etc.
[02:55] <combo_> sehe - correct, on Kaffeine i'm using Xine engine
[02:55] <combo_> so... because of engine it doesn't work :]
[02:55] <sehe> combo_: i'm not into multimedia so I don't know which does what best
[02:55] <sehe> !doesn't work | combo_
[02:55] <ubotu> combo_: Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[02:55] <sehe> hahaha
[02:55] <combo_> sehe: ok, i'll play with it :)
[02:56] <combo_> sehe: :)
[02:56] <sehe> combo_: thanks for letting us know bout the cause !
[02:56] <combo_> sehe: doesn't work = the image is deformated
[02:56] <sehe> combo_: I know :) i was just quipping (see 'hahaha' ^^?)
[02:57] <combo_> sehe: ok ] :->
[03:06] <jason__10> Morning
[03:06] <sehe> afternoon :)
[03:06] <jason__10> Im sort of still in bed.... 14:07
[03:07] <sehe> haha have a coffee
[03:07] <jason__10> great Idea lol
[03:09] <jason__10> demonstrates my tiredness, Did i close the window or get kicked?
[03:09] <sehe> i fink you closed it
[03:09] <jason__10> :)
[03:09] <sehe> ctrl+q becomes a habit (like coffee)
[03:09] <jason__10> yup, so sehe, what do ya use kubuntu for?
[03:10] <sehe> sehe: well, do you have a while
[03:10] <jason__10> lol
[03:10] <jason__10> I mean, work or play, or both]
[03:10] <sehe> wokr and play
[03:11] <sehe> my webserver + mailserver are on ubuntu
[03:11] <jason__10> thats good. What work do ya do?
[03:11] <jason__10> ahh
[03:11] <sehe> my desktop (development machine) and laptop (office machine) are kubuntu
[03:11] <sehe> i'm a software developer
[03:12] <jason__10> Nice one
[03:12] <sehe> yup
[03:12] <jason__10> I want to be a remote technician
[03:12] <meson10> i have a Kubuntu installed..and need fedora to be installed as well
[03:12] <pag> !offtopic | jason__10, sehe
[03:12] <sehe> ? as in 'harmony remote' or 'remote'
[03:12] <ubotu> jason__10, sehe: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[03:12] <meson10> is it feasible that i dont loose my kubuntu from booting after that?
[03:12] <sehe> pag: we know... nobody was talking
[03:13] <stdin> sehe: that's not the point now is it?
[03:13] <sehe> meson10: yes. although in my experience it is easier th other way round (ubuntu has a friendlier installer with better 'cooperative' partitioning
[03:13] <jason__10> sehe:  I want to use Kubuntu to remote support people who are having trouble, with its in built KDRC or with TSclient
[03:13] <sehe> jason__10: ic. doesn't pay very well i'm afraid
[03:14] <stdin> meson10: as long as you install to a separate root dir then it should be fine
[03:14] <meson10> sehe: i already have kubuntu installed, when i install fedora..i will loose the kubuntu boot-loader right?
[03:14] <jason__10> sehe:  hmm
[03:14] <sehe> stdin: what do you mean?!
[03:14] <meson10> stdin: yes.....i ..but will have a common /homehave a sepearte root
[03:14] <Jisao> not necessarily, meson10.
[03:14] <sehe> stdin: you mean boot partition?
[03:14] <stdin> sehe: just because no one was talking is no excuse to go off topic
[03:14] <Jisao> You can install the mbr in the partition instead of the mbr, then chainload fedora.
[03:14] <sehe> stdin: ic. i'm not to sure that this is clear to the asker tho
[03:14] <meson10> Ok..i explain it in a jist.
[03:14] <stdin> meson10: that should be ok,
[03:15] <meson10> i have sepearet /home.... and a /
[03:15] <sehe> stdin:  ic - i'm relying on my own judgement for lack of IRC experience. No problem in the future
[03:15] <meson10> i have a spare 30 GB..with windows on it
[03:15] <meson10> i need fedora to be installed on 30 Gb..with the same /home
[03:16] <meson10> thats feasibel right?..with both fedora+kubuntu loading?
[03:16] <stdin> sehe: that's why we have the offtopic channel, some people won't ask because they don't want to interrupt general chatter
[03:16] <jason__10> Isn't going off topic okay when you are talking generally? im using kubuntu now, and I want to chat to other kubuntu users to see what they use it for and at the same time help other users with queries.
[03:16] <meson10> sorry i got terminated
[03:16] <sehe> stdin: yeah that makes sense. i'm a single-channel user atm still have to make the leap to multi-channel :D
[03:17] <stdin> jason__10: no, general chatter (even relating to kubuntu) which is not support related goes in #kubuntu-offtopic
[03:17] <runlevelten> jason__10: there's #kubuntu-offtopic :D
[03:17] <jason__10> stdin: ok
[03:17] <jason__10> sorry i didn't realise this was the support channel.
[03:17] <stdin> jason__10: see the topic :p
[03:17] <sehe> meson10: as long as you can handle the partitioning yourself ;) i suppose that would be ok
[03:17] <jason__10> yeah its printed small on my client
[03:18] <sehe> meson10: be careful when mixing diferent versions of KDE though!
[03:18] <sehe> meson10: because the kde config resides in ~/.kde per user, and may not work across versions
[03:18] <Jisao> Speaking of support, is there a place with strong x.org knowledge and Kubuntu? X crash on my hardware with anything else than debian testing and I want to use Kubuntu more regularly.
[03:18] <meson10> sehe: Oops....this one is pretty updated..[kubuntu]
[03:18] <jason__10> Jisao:  doesn't sound good to me
[03:18] <Jisao> So I have to figure out what causes the crash.
[03:19] <sehe> meson10: i suppose i must say 'major' releases
[03:19] <meson10> sehe: Ok.
[03:19] <jason__10> see you soon,
[03:19] <sehe> meson10: also, a good backup never hurts
[03:19] <sehe> meson10: regulars if you can have it
[03:19] <runlevelten> Yeah, I've been using kde for years, and I never just paste in the user's .kde directory.
[03:20] <runlevelten> Through harsh lessons learned. :\
[03:20] <maverick> how can i execute a "*.run" file?
[03:20] <sehe> runlevelten: i suppose progs will try to remain backwards compatible. as in v2 will run off v1 config, but not vice-versa
[03:20] <maverick> found it
[03:20] <sehe> maverick: k
[03:21] <runlevelten> Yeah. The odd program has borken the configuration horribly, leaving it unusable.
[03:21] <sehe> runlevelten: meson10: and the catch is, new versions will (always?) silently update the configs to the newer format
[03:21] <runlevelten> You could totally switch them using scripts though.
[03:22] <sehe> runlevelten: switching would however mitigate the sharing benefit
[03:22] <sehe> runlevelten: think of mail folders, amarok stuff
[03:22] <runlevelten> indeed, and I think you can change that path anyway.
[03:23] <Jisao> I find that keeping data on a separate partition allows me to have many homes, the data is always available on the extra partition, and no configuration problems in the respective /home(s)
[03:23] <sehe> meson10: you may just start of using a separate home, and see if stuff works by *cloning* the $HOME dir instead of using it directly. That way, you can back out without needing to have a backup
[03:23] <runlevelten> Well I paste in the amarok, kmail, kwallet configs etc.
[03:23] <runlevelten> A script could probably ln them very easily.
[03:23] <sehe> meson10: my advise: use backups and just go for it
[03:23] <sehe> runlevelten: cpio | cpio-l is your friend
[03:23] <meson10> sehe: i cannot afford to lose data, my entire work on kdevelop4 resides here
[03:24] <runlevelten> What I do is move the .kde directory.
[03:24] <sehe> runlevelten: ?
[03:24] <meson10> sehe: so, i need a running kubuntu at any cost.
[03:24] <sehe> runlevelten: as in let it be recreated
[03:24] <runlevelten> prior to running a new KDE I move the directory, let the new KDE do its thing then reuse configs as I want them.
[03:24] <sehe> meson10: i'd say: backups. I hear you wish to share the homes. Just try it out :)
[03:25] <sehe> meson10: if it is not worth the odd complication, donot bother
[03:25] <runlevelten> Again, probably not even necessary now, but I have had KDE apps break files and stuff.
[03:25] <runlevelten> when just reusing the configs directly, because of radically diff versions
[03:26] <sehe> runlevelten: I never take extra precautions when upgrading. When downgrading/sharing however, i do
[03:26] <sehe> runlevelten: and may i mention the backup habit once more. it is a safe safety net
[03:27] <runlevelten> sehe: Precisely. I find that you're best off prepared for 100,000 problems when you didn't need to be, than surprised by one you weren't prepared for
[03:27] <runlevelten> well, maybe not 100,000, :)
[03:28] <sehe> my going rate is one a week
[03:28] <sehe> hardly ever need my backups tho
[03:32] <AhmedShaheen> I want to install amarok-realplayer engine in Amarok
[03:32] <sehe> AhmedShaheen: is there a problem?
[03:32] <AhmedShaheen> how can I do that