[12:22] <INode> dr_willis: i found a bunch of files inside /var/log/gdm should i delete all them and try and boot again. i should have a nice small list of log files then right? based around my issue
[12:22] <truepurple> dr_willis, updateb seemed to do nothing, not a menu to search or anything
[12:23] <ubuntu> anyone using the new ubuntu
[12:23] <INode> dr_willis: no auto login is disabled. i have to enter my password normaly
[12:23] <Sidewinder1> Not here,. :D
[12:23] <Chris_____> dr_willis:  are such packages stable?
[12:23] <dr_willis> INode: i would go to text mode. and try 'startx' and see if theres any error messages. You are using gnome-shell? or unity?
[12:23] <ubuntu> funny side lol
[12:23] <dr_willis> Chris_____:  no idea. they are not supported here.
[12:23] <dumb1224> Sidewinder1: thanks, but I meant the script to shutdown/suspend my laptop without asking for passwd
[12:24] <Sidewinder1> dumb1224, OIC.
[12:24] <RTYGY45> what is the startx used for ?
[12:24] <dr_willis> INode:  it could be some weird breakage in your gnome settings. You could try making a new user and see if you canlogin as them.
[12:24] <Chris_____> dr_willis:  Okay, any way install GNOME3 on ubuntu?
[12:24] <dr_willis> Chris_____:  gnome-3 is on 11.10 by default
[12:24] <deej1976> !notunity | Chris_____
[12:24] <INode> dr_willis: i dont even get to the login console. this happends before i log in
[12:25] <dumb1224> Sidewinder1: I found a little script in /etc/acpi/powerbtn, it defines an event when the powerbtn pressed some action is done
[12:25] <Chris_____> ubottu:  Ty
[12:25] <dr_willis> INode:   try text mode, and the startx command perhaps. the way you describe it - it sounds like its auto logging into the gnome-shell.
[12:25] <INode> i think unity is installed, but i normaly just use ubuntu-classic interface
[12:25] <INode> dr_willis: ok will do. back soon. thanks for the hel
[12:25] <INode> dr_willis: are there an log files i should pay extra attention to
[12:25] <Sidewinder1> dumb1224, I hope it works the way you want.
[12:26] <Sidewinder1> !botsnack
[12:26] <dr_willis> INode:  id test by making a new user. if a new user works.. then its points to a user setting issue.
[12:26] <auronandace> !cookie | Sidewinder1
[12:27] <INode> INode: OK, i will boot into text mode add a new user and get back to you, thanks for the help
[12:27] <Sidewinder1> Yum! Err, I mean, APT1
[12:27] <truepurple> dr_willis, what does "sudo updatedb" do? It does not look for any files
[12:27] <Sidewinder1> :D
[12:27] <dr_willis> truepurple:  it updates the locate database for the locate command to use...
[12:27] <dumb1224> Sidewinder1: but the problem seems it only gets invoked when the powerbtn is pressed
[12:27] <dr_willis> without it locate will not be seeing the newest files.
[12:28] <truepurple> ah
[12:28] <dumb1224> Sidewinder1: anyother case it still asks for passwd
[12:28] <dr_willis> or you could just use the package manager tools to see what files that opera.deb installed where. it proberly installed some opera.png somewhere.
[12:28] <Sidewinder1> dumb1224, I stink at scripts; especially ones that I have screwed up, myself.. :-( Sorry..
[12:29] <truepurple> dr_willis, Sidewinder1 looking in the menu editor more, it seems there was a icon already, but it wasn't showing, the command was something like "opera %u" when I changed the command to "opera" the icon showed up.
[12:29] <truepurple> what was the deal with that?
[12:29] <dumb1224> Sidewinder1: thanks all the same
[12:29] <Sidewinder1> NP
[12:30]  * JLuc is away: Occupé
[12:30] <Sidewinder1> !rootirc | Guest9318
[12:30] <dr_willis> truepurple:  i imagine it defaulted to looking for an opera.png in the icon paths.
[12:31] <dr_willis> if the command was foobar  it would look for foobar.png  i imagine
[12:31] <truepurple> dr_willis, I don't know what you mean, but I mean, the ending of the command that I deleted made the link itself not show up in the menu
[12:31] <RTYGY45> dr_willis i'm trying to install a minimum ubuntu and now i'm in the command pompt. how do i install a GUI ?
[12:31] <Sidewinder1> dr_willis, Or, was the "%u" a variable for current user?
[12:32] <dr_willis> truepurple:  if there was an opera menu item allready when you ran alacarte.. it most likely ment it was added by the package manager tools.. but you needed to log out/back in or refresh the menus to get it to show, and you dident need to do any changes by hand.
[12:32] <dr_willis>  %u = url passed to the item i imagine.
[12:32] <tjingboem> what is the command to see if my joystick works?
[12:32] <dr_willis> !find jstest
[12:33] <dr_willis> tjingboem:  try jstest-gtk :)
[12:33] <styelz> maybe Guest9318 is a virus
[12:33]  * styelz hides
[12:33] <Sidewinder1> styelz, Doubtful, but one never knows.. :-)
[12:35] <Sidewinder1> styelz, I've always wondered why so many run chat clients as root..
[12:35] <tjingboem> dr_willis. that's a great program, thank you!
[12:36] <dr_willis> Sidewinder1:  because some distros/live cd's default to root  by default
[12:36]  * styelz ponders
[12:37] <truepurple> dr_willis, no, when I added a link to it before noticing the old one, that showed right away. But the old one did not show until I deleted that extra stuff at the end of the command for it. Any idea what %u (or something like that) might be meant to do and why it would cause the link to not show?
[12:37] <Sidewinder1> dr_willis, I always learn somethin' from you! Thanx. :D
[12:37] <styelz> Sidewinder1: me too
[12:37] <styelz> ;)
[12:38] <stianhj> Is there anyway to get inline images in AIM in Empathy? Works in Pidgin (DirectIM)..
[12:39] <ritesh_> hii
[12:39] <ritesh_> hel;;p
[12:39] <ziro`> hi
[12:39] <ziro`> what tools can i use for building servers to a spec?
[12:40] <ziro`> e.g. install x y z, use configuration blah
[12:40] <raven> 11.10 how to set cpu frequency to "on demand"
[12:40] <theadmin> !clone | ziro`
[12:41] <dr_willis> truepurple:   its a command line argument.. that gets passed to the app.
[12:41] <ziro`> !automate
[12:41] <ziro`> mmm
[12:41] <theadmin> 10.04? That's old
[12:41] <ziro`> maybe i just need to write a bash script
[12:41] <ziro`> ]
[12:41] <dr_willis> ziro`:  i did an install to a 32gb flash drive. set it up how i liked.. then 'dd'ed it to other machines to clone its install.
[12:41] <dr_willis> ziro`:  depends on your needs....
[12:42] <dr_willis> !oem
[12:42] <ziro`> it's more for building new production servers as well as setting up development vms
[12:42] <dr_willis> so you got some complex needs. :)
[12:42] <ziro`> well, i didn't think it was so complex :)
[12:42] <raven> 11.10 how to set cpu frequency to "on demand"
[12:43] <dr_willis> You want identical clones,  the usb/dd trick can work. :) or mondo/mindi
[12:43] <dr_willis> actually mondo/mindi last i looked ages ago - could even ask/set hostname and other differnt defaults after it restored the system
[12:43] <ziro`> well, we really want scripts to build these machines
[12:44] <dr_willis> Go for it. :)
[12:44] <ziro`> so we can install the later versions of packages than we'd usually just by changing the script we build from
[12:44] <raven> 11.10 how to set cpu frequency to "on demand"
[12:44] <styelz> moo
[12:45] <dr_willis> Muu!
[12:45] <truepurple> dr_willis, if ubuntu doesn't care about the command, why would it hide the link because of said command?
[12:47] <llutz> raven: sudo cpufreq-selector -g ondemand
[12:47] <z3bra> Hi
[12:47] <dr_willis> truepurple:  could be it was looking for 'opera %u.png'
[12:47] <dr_willis> truepurple:  could be the opera package makers messed up also...
[12:48] <raven> llutz, does not work
[12:48] <llutz> !work
[12:48] <dr_willis> truepurple:  could be you just needed to refresh your menus also and the opera %u might have worked..
[12:48] <truepurple> dr_willis, but the link itself didn't show, because of this comand, and this wasn't in the part for which icon to use, but what command to run
[12:48] <Sidewinder1> :D
[12:48] <z3bra> Does somebody knows how to add a tabulation at the beginning of multiple line with VIM ?
[12:49] <dr_willis> gnome has known issues with not seeing changes to the menus items untill it gets refreshed.
[12:49] <truepurple> dr_willis, but new menu links showed right away, how do you "refresh the menu" anyway?
[12:49] <raven> llutz, it still idles on maximum frequency!!!!!!!
[12:49] <dr_willis> z3bra:  how many lines? you could make a macro
[12:49] <dr_willis> z3bra:  or do it once by hand and use the . key to repeate it.
[12:49] <raven> where to find tray icons like from mounted truecrypt sessions
[12:49] <theadmin> z3bra: Hm... :42,666s/^/\t/
[12:50] <z3bra> i don't really know...
[12:50] <theadmin> z3bra: Wherein 42 and 666 are line numbers between which to search, inclusive
[12:50] <Gentoo64> raven, in the system tray
[12:50] <z3bra> dr_willis "^" represent the begginning of the line ?
[12:51] <raven> Gentoo64, there is NO system tray and NO truecrypt icon with NO option to unmount volumes
[12:51] <theadmin> z3bra: Yeah
[12:51] <Gentoo64> ok
[12:51] <xangua> there is a cpufreq indicator raven
[12:51] <Gentoo64> raven, dno then. you can unmount from the truecrypt gui
[12:51] <raven> xangua, where
[12:51] <z3bra> Okay ! Thanks a lot dr_willis and theadmin !
[12:51] <z3bra> Bye !
[12:51] <raven> Gentoo64, i cannot access the GUI
[12:52] <Gentoo64> why?
[12:52] <Sidewinder1> truepurple, Rebooting will generally refresh everything; we do, however, try to avoid that as it is somewhat, winblozish. I would assume a logiout/logout would refresh most items.
[12:52] <raven> Gentoo64, because there is NO tray icon to come up with this gui again
[12:52] <xangua> raven: http://askubuntu.com/posts/37997/revisions
[12:52] <xangua> and other seful indicators http://is.gd/mOLuUu
[12:52] <Gentoo64> raven, you dont need it
[12:52] <Gentoo64> raven, click the truecrypt program icon
[12:52] <raven> Gentoo64, how to do it then
[12:52] <Gentoo64> raven, or in terminal try truecrypt
[12:53] <Sidewinder1> logout/login, even.
[12:53] <raven> Gentoo64, truecrypt already running
[12:53] <Gentoo64> try tabs see if theres something like truecrypt_gui
[12:53] <Browser> hi
[12:53] <Gentoo64> raven, if only i knew where the system tray was... lol
[12:54] <Sidewinder1> Mornin' Browser
[12:54] <smethia> Hi Tom
[12:54] <Gentoo64> that would solve ur problem
[12:54] <raven> Gentoo64, do you know anything about this unity/gnome3 crap?
[12:54] <Gentoo64> no
[12:55] <truepurple> Sidewinder1, there isn't a better/easier way? And why would one menu link require a refresh, but another wouldn't?
[12:57] <Sidewinder1> truepurple, I have no idea, sorry. Perhaps you might consider (if you've solved the problem) moving on to the "next item on your list." I will say that I have never added a program, form the providers/writers site, to Software Center and installed form there..
[12:58] <Sidewinder1> from, even.
[12:58] <raven> xangua, why theese applets do not apopear after relogin
[12:58] <Sidewinder1> truepurple, I prefer Synaptic
[12:59] <truepurple> Sidewinder1, except I wouldn't know how to add it with synaptic
[12:59] <xangua> raven: run indicator-cpufreq ¿
[13:00] <Sidewinder1> truepurple, That's partially my point. For me, I don't install anything, with few exceptions, not listed in Synaptics 35,000 choices.
[13:02] <Sidewinder1> truepurple, Even then, sometimes after installation, there's no icon and I launch form CLI; but usually that's for programs that I rarely use.
[13:02] <dr_willis> If you used the .deb package. you basically did install it with synaptic, (or some other apt tool)
[13:02] <dr_willis> I imagine its the package  thats not runnng some post setup command to tell gnome to rescan
[13:02] <truepurple> Sidewinder1, its got lots of random files that are hard to search through, its confusing the way it works, and just because some program like opera isn't listed in it, doesn't mean I shouldn't use it
[13:02] <pangolin> ^
[13:03] <dr_willis> Opera I think is in one of the repos.
[13:03] <dr_willis> !opera
[13:03] <Sidewinder1> truepurple, You are correct on all counts.
[13:03] <dr_willis> ive had to many issues with oprea the last few months ive used it. back to using chrome.
[13:04] <lyrae> #pygame
[13:04] <raven> why do i have to add thousands of repositories for something that was in ubuntu some releases before
[13:04] <the_misfit> freaking browser wars, whatever happened to good ole KDE vs GNOME
[13:04] <the_misfit> always somethin
[13:04] <dr_willis> raven:  which app are you refering to?
[13:04] <truepurple> dr_willis, like what kind of issues?
[13:04] <jason00> Question - let's say I have an SD card with an EXT3 partition that will not unmount. I fell asleep last night with my computer trying to unmount it via nautilus and it sat there for the better part of 6 hours unable to unmount. It was still trying when I woke up. Any ideas?
[13:05] <superZoom> hi
[13:05] <dr_willis> truepurple:  its not syncing with opera on my phone like its supposed to. and im constantly finding sites these days that have special features that dont work with opera.
[13:05] <dr_willis> truepurple:  main reason i was using it on the pc. was because i was also using it on my phone.
[13:05] <raven> dr_willis, all apps that make ubuntu ready to work at least a bit sensefully       http://askubuntu.com/questions/30334/list-of-application-indicators
[13:06] <the_misfit> jason00: you can forcibly unmount it in a terminal
[13:06] <the_misfit> or just pull the damn thing out and stop being a baby
[13:06] <dr_willis> raven:  most of those indicator applets came out after the 11.10 release i belive.
[13:06] <getitfixed> How do I package ubuntu 11.04 for xoom
[13:06] <jason00> the_misfit: stop being a baby? pardon me? The SD card doesn't WORK when I try to use it.
[13:06] <truepurple> dr_willis, Sidewinder1 I have flash installed, but it has a graphics update problem, where if I click a button that is meant to change a screen, it does not change fully, and I get broken artifacts of the two screens, the one before, and the one I am suppose to be at. Scrolling down on the webpage, and back up, updates the graphics, but moving something from another window in front of it, does not. This is the same in both opera and fir
[13:06] <truepurple> efox, not in midori but that browser has lots of other issues, including with its flash
[13:06] <dr_willis> raven:  with any luck they will get included in teh default repos for the next release.
[13:06] <jason00> the_misfit: I'm trying to understand what's wrong with it. It's not about it properly unmounting, it's about it not working and it won't properly unmount as a result.
[13:07] <the_misfit> jason00: i was in jest i apologize you got offended. So the problem is ?
[13:07] <superZoom> how do i run GUI app from terminaa
[13:07] <jason00> the_misfit: read above.
[13:07] <dr_willis> superZoom:  type its name..
[13:07] <dr_willis> superZoom:  ie 'gedit' to run gedit...
[13:07] <the_misfit> jason00: Does the OS detect it?
[13:07] <jason00> the_misfit: apologize I got offended? Or apologize you acted like a child? There's a difference.
[13:07] <raven> dr_willis, will canonical then think about the users again?
[13:07] <the_misfit> jason00: Relax, let's move on to your problem please!
[13:07] <dr_willis> raven:  pointless and off topic discussion.
[13:08] <jason00> the_misfit: the SD card is from my phone. FAT32 and EXT3 partitions. The EXT3 partition shows up as 0.0 B when its 2 gb in size.
[13:08] <dr_willis> The focus for the next release from what ive seen will be 'polishing' the disrto.  so we will have to see what happens.
[13:08] <jason00> the_misfit: the SD card with EXT partition contains apps to my phone, so its necessary it works and I realized right away it was acting up
[13:08] <dr_willis> bbl
[13:08] <jason00> the_misfit: you know, I just did a backup - I wonder if it kicked it to my EXT partition and not FAT and maxed it out???
[13:08] <the_misfit> jason00: well, is your phone reading the data?
[13:08] <raven> dr_willis, most important to discuss about otherwise ubuntu will become 100% crap very very soon
[13:09] <jason00> the_misfit: FAT yes, EXT no.
[13:09] <pangolin> !ot | raven
[13:09] <jason00> the_misfit: FAT is data, EXT is apps
[13:09] <jason00> the_misfit: I thought maybe the FS was corrupt.
[13:09] <jason00> raven: I happen to like Ubuntu's recent decisions. Very much in fact. Sorry you disagree, but other distros are available if you so choose.
[13:09] <the_misfit> jason00: have you tried mounting it using a live cd
[13:10] <BarkingFish> jason00: apologies for butting in, and I know this is OT - but what phone do you have? I've never seen one which reads linux partitions off a storage card.
[13:10] <jason00> BarkingFish: android.
[13:10] <superZoom> dr_willis: Surprisingly it is working now, but before i change owner and trying to run from root terminal, and it was giving error
[13:10] <the_misfit> ya BarkingFish, he prob has a rooted phone
[13:10] <BarkingFish> ok, thanks.  I think it's time for an upgrade for me :)
[13:10] <jason00> BarkingFish: my android is super low end and has so little space for apps, so I partitioned the SD card with 2gb EXT3 and used Link2SD (avialable in market) to automatically sym-link things over so I utilize the 2GB spot for apps instead of the lowsy 170mb onboard memory.
[13:11] <jason00> BarkingFish: the_misfit yes, my phone is rooted and flashed. :D
[13:12] <jason00> the_misfit: the other thing is, If I have the card in my laptop and unmount it, my laptop wont ever detect it again unless I reboot the laptop
[13:12] <the_misfit> jason00: Try booting a live distro like.. Partition Magic or something
[13:12] <the_misfit> and see if it sees both part
[13:12] <the_misfit> s
[13:12] <truepurple> dr_willis,  Sidewinder1, can you help me with my flash trouble?
[13:13] <the_misfit> at least eliminate the hardware possibility first
[13:13] <BarkingFish> jason00: One thing I'd also like to check - where did you partition the card into Ext3? Is it on the same distro you're on now?
[13:13] <jason00> BarkingFish: I partitioned it with gparted on ubuntu. I've done a lot of backups/recoveries lately so I wonder if osmething got corrupt....
[13:13] <a433b> guys
[13:13] <jason00> the_misfit: here's what's weird... ext is giving me the headache, yet it operates fine on ubuntu. the fat partition comes back with 0 bytes used yet theres data on it. Strange...
[13:14] <a433b> on configuring squid proxy
[13:14] <a433b> i have got it to wor
[13:14] <jason00> the_misfit: I wonder if I can format the fat partition (I have those items backed up anyway) and see what happens.
[13:14] <a433b> but i cant get authentication to work ?, any ideas
[13:14] <BarkingFish> !enter | a433b
[13:14] <the_misfit> jason00: at least use a proper partition live CD
[13:14] <jtokarchuk> jason00: sounds like the partition table is broken
[13:14] <a433b> !enter | a433b
[13:14] <jason00> jtokarchuk: yeah. I wonder if I borked it. :(
[13:15] <a433b> i do that how ?
[13:15] <jason00> the_misfit: whats wrong with GParted in Ubuntu vs GParted on Ubuntu livecd?
[13:15] <BarkingFish> well ext3 is journalised, isn't it?  Would having a damaged journal affect it in any way?
[13:16] <Shrek> Hello, how to change the interface language of Ubuntu 11.10?
[13:16] <Shrek> I want to use German and Portuguese.
[13:16] <jtokarchuk> jason00, shouldn't matter, I'm thinking he means don;t use "dr. bobs magic partition creat0r recoverererer 5000"
[13:16] <jason00> BarkingFish: I'm not sure. I may just have to redo the card. I was trying to do a FS check but I cant do a FS check unless its unmounted... but it wont properly unmount... this is why ( the_misfit ) I was trying to spend so much time unmounting it.
[13:16] <the_misfit> jason00: well, it's my impression that your installed OS can't read the FAT partition, correct, and you're unsure if it's a hardware or software issue
[13:16] <the_misfit> just a suggestion
[13:16] <jason00> the_misfit: my OS is Ubuntu. Ubuntu can read/write/sleep/eat FAT32.
[13:16] <jtokarchuk> jason00: Stupid question but all the pins on the card are of course clean and not separated?
[13:16] <jason00> the_misfit: the fact Ubuntu CAN read it, yet its saying 0 bytes used, makes me wonder if its corrupt
[13:17] <Sidewinder1> truepurple, What you need to remember is that Opera was originally designed as a 'stripped-down', light weight browser. I would think Flash and other 'heavy', items might be problematic. Flash in Firefox, on the other hand, should kind' take care of itself; unless it's a graphics- card/driver issue..
[13:17] <jason00> jtokarchuk: oh yeah, we're good there. I never even pulled the card out to the laptop until I saw I was having issues on the phone. The issues didnt come about until I did a recovery and 3 backups.
[13:17] <jtokarchuk> jason00: if ubuntu can play with ext3 fine I would backup what you have and just format your card, you probably have a damaged partition table, it doesn't know what's listed for the fat32 so it just reads 0B
[13:17] <jason00> jtokarchuk: which takes the 2gb partition + the phones onboard storage, zips it, and saves it to the FAT partition
[13:18] <truepurple> Sidewinder1, its not taking care of itself, I installed opera because firefox was having trouble with the flash, and opera updates the flash screen better, but still has the same problem
[13:18] <jtokarchuk> jason00, as annoying as that is that's probably the proper solution
[13:18] <BarkingFish> Well I have to go guys, but I will say this  - for what it's worth, I've attempted to mix partition types on a card before (for a PC, not for a phone) and it never turns out well.  They're prone to taking a nosedive from my personal experience.
[13:18] <jason00> jtokarchuk: I'm fine with it. I was just trying to understand what caused it. :(
[13:18] <jason00> BarkingFish: with all file systems? Or just EXT?
[13:19] <BarkingFish> jason00: My last mix was Ext2|Ext3
[13:19] <jason00> BarkingFish: k, appreciate it.
[13:20] <Sidewinder1> truepurple, Im' sorry that I can't be of further assistance. :-(  As I'm currently running Firefox 3.3.24 along with Lucid, 10.04 and it all 'just works', including flash..
[13:20] <BarkingFish> if it's not unmounting properly, the only thing I can suggest is that you shutdown your machine, remembering to do an ALT+SYSRQ+E to sync your disks first, then ALT+SYSRQ+R to remount the system Read only before you do.
[13:21] <Sidewinder1> Oops, make that FF 3.6.24...
[13:21] <jtokarchuk> jason00, I just read upwards, quite unsure. If the card is still reading I am reluctant to say it's the card.  I'm just speculating
[13:23] <BarkingFish> jason00: Sorry, that should be ALT SysRq + U to remount R/O, not Alt SysRq + R
[13:24] <BarkingFish> anyway, gotta go, see you later.
[13:25] <jason00> jtokarchuk: the other curve ball is the fact I'm using 2 different partition types on 1 card and using them interchangably
[13:26] <jason00> jtokarchuk: I did so many recoveries and backups in the last day that mayb eI just borked it
[13:26] <jtokarchuk> jason00, certainly possible, pain in the butt, though =[
[13:26] <jason00> jtokarchuk: I should DD it to a .tar.gz for backup purposes
[13:26] <jtokarchuk> jason00,  yes you should, you could even then mount it as an image and mess with it if you os desire
[13:26] <jtokarchuk> jason00, so*
[13:27] <Shrek> Hello, how to change the interface language of Ubuntu 11.10? I want to use German and Portuguese, and possibly another one.
[13:27] <Sidewinder1> truepurple, If you're experiencing the same or similar issues in FF and Opera with flash, that indicates, at least a flash or more likely problem with the video-card/driver, for same. I don't think that I could be terribly helpful with either, as I said they just work, for me.
[13:29] <jtokarchuk> Shrek, : go to the dash, and run "Language Support"
[13:29] <Shrek> jtokarchuk, dash?
[13:29] <Shrek> Oh, got it.
[13:29] <Shrek> Then?
[13:30] <jtokarchuk> Shrek, Install/Remove languages, install the appropriate ones, and enable them either system-wide or for what parts you like
[13:30] <jason00> jtokarchuk: so how do I format a card that won't properly unmount to format? o.O
[13:30] <truepurple> Sidewinder1, but it isn't the case in midori, and it wasn't the case for a long time. Someone said once that it was a issue with a newer flash version, but how might I revert to the last version that worked then?
[13:30] <Shrek> Jtokarchuk, okay.
[13:31] <jtokarchuk> jason00, will gparted read it?
[13:31] <jason00> jtokarchuk: read? yes. umount? no.
[13:31] <jtokarchuk> jason00, allow you to perform actions on it?
[13:32] <jason00> jtokarchuk: I think I just got it using the -f tag... force unmount...
[13:32] <jason00> jtokarchuk: still failing to create ext3 over existing ext3. new partition table coming...
[13:33] <jtokarchuk> jason00: back it up, blow the partitions away, force it to unmount, and try to start fresh. IF that doesn't work, for what the SD cards cost, it might cost you less to buy one than what you will put into it in your own labor
[13:33] <jason00> jtokarchuk: unable to create partition table. what the??????
[13:34] <jason00> jtokarchuk: I think I killed my sd card??
[13:34] <jtokarchuk> jason00, it seems that way. how long have you had it?
[13:34] <Sidewinder1> truepurple, I'm not sure and this is probably horrible advice but, if it were me, I'd probably remove FF and reinstall with a previous version. cAUTION!  However, the cost of the shipping to them will probably buy you a new card anyway
[13:35] <truepurple> Sidewinder1, reinstall flash with a previous version? Flash does not seem to be attached to any one particular browser
[13:35] <Sidewinder1> truepurple, It'll certainly kill your bookmarks/history unless you back them up.
[13:35] <jason00> jtokarchuk: I have another card in my car I believe....
[13:36] <jtokarchuk> jason00, sorry I could not be of more help, got to run.
[13:36] <jason00> jtokarchuk: thanks
[13:36] <Sidewinder1> truepurple, No I meant remove Firefox and reinstall a previous version, one that worked for you, but the CAUTION, above still applies..
[13:37] <truepurple> Sidewinder1, reinstall a previous version of firefox? Its not firefox that is the issue here
[13:37] <slakcphil> i am backing up some directories that have files over 150gb in them and getting real slow results with rsync
[13:37] <Sidewinder1> truepurple, Well, at this point I better gracefully "bow-out"; sorry...
[13:38] <slakcphil> the drive is a usb 3.0 (hdparm reports reads at 2600 mbps) however the rsync writes very slow, like 4mbps
[13:38] <slakcphil> is there a way to speed up rsync
[13:38] <slakcphil> ?
[13:39] <slakcphil> has anyone backed up with rsync to usb 3.0 external drive?
[13:40] <truepurple> Sidewinder1, well thankyou for trying
[13:40] <Sidewinder1> slakcphil, Not that I'm aware of; I don't think there any "rsync optimization" which speed it up.
[13:41] <Sidewinder1> slakcphil, It may be the usb-interface that's the bottleneck; I use eSata, it's 4-6 times faster than usb.. :-)
[13:41] <Korl> My computer should be able to run Warcraft 3 at max settings, - or at least somewhat close - However when running it in lubuntu it's laggy at minimum settings
[13:41] <Sidewinder1> truepurple, No problem, just wish I could've been of more service.
[13:41] <Korl> My guess is it's something with Xorg - and ATI graphics
[13:42] <Sidewinder1> Korl, You're running WOW, through wine?
[13:42] <felicitas> how can i stopp ubuntu to update to the next kernel?
[13:42] <Korl> Not WoW - Warcraft 3
[13:43] <Sidewinder1> OIC.
[13:43] <Skummel> Sidewinder1 it's not 4-5 times faster then usb3. USB3 got theoretical max speed of 5 Gb/s.
[13:44] <Korl> Sidewinder1: I'm usng Pentium M 1.7ghz, 1.5gb ram, and the graphics card is an ATI RV250 mobility radeon firegl 9000 I believe hangon I can lspci the graphics card
[13:44] <slakcphil> Sidewinder1, it is interfacing through a pcix card that has usb 3.0 ports
[13:45] <Korl> Sidewinder1: Yeah the graphics card is right
[13:45] <Sidewinder1> Skummel, Well my current sys is an "Antique", Dell Dimension 4550 with usb2, max so, if memory serves, I got a 4-6 times advantage w/eSATA; at that time. :D
[13:45] <tga> greetings
[13:46] <tga> is it possible to do a minimal install from a desktop cd?
[13:46]  * Sidewinder1 Is starting to become overwhelmed, at this time; probably need more coffee.. :-)
[13:46] <xangua> !minimal | tga
[13:47] <tga> xangua: thanks, I know about the minimal cd, that's not what I'm asking
[13:48] <tga> is it possible to do a minimal install using the desktop cd or do I need the alternate/server for that?
[13:48] <jason00> Question - if I want to take an SD card or flash drive device and DD it into a .tar.gz in its exact format for later recovery, how would I do it? sudo dd if=/dev/sdb of=/home/jason/backup.tar.gz ????
[13:48] <xangua> tga: alternate will install full desktop and server is for server edition
[13:49] <tga> so you're saying there is no way to install anything else than the full ubuntu-desktop when using the desktop cd?
[13:51] <islet96> anyone knows about mplayer as screen saver at 11.10?
[13:55] <urthmover> good morning.  I have built a very minimal ubuntu desktop and am running xfce.  it's great.  I also have been using vim for all my editing needs.  My question is which gvim package should I install on my system?  vim-gtk vim-athena vim-gnome?  I am looking to install the least ammount of dependencies but still have the grqaphical version of vim specifically so that I can just double click on the file in thunar and have vim/gvim open up.
[13:57] <meta-coder> urthmover, read the description of the packages?
[13:58] <sindile> is there a ppa for pulseaudio 1.1 for ubuntu 11.10 64bit
[13:58] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:58] <urthmover> meta-coder: I am...I guess my question is more basic than that really....is it possible to install an app that utilizes gtk libraries without the end user having to install all the gtk dependencies?  does that make sense?
[13:59] <urthmover> I have an image of a dev being able to compile a self contained app .... and the end user not having to install all the dependencies
[13:59] <Guest82043> does anyone know the username and password for the live cd alpha release of Ubuntu 12.04?
[13:59] <slakcphil> urthmover, maybe you could try to compile it yourself and then only install the *required* dpends
[13:59] <urthmover> root toor  Guest82043 ?
[13:59] <sipior> urthmover: you can do that sort of thing, but then all of your apps will be five times the normal size.
[14:00] <Guest82043> urthmover tried that
[14:00] <smw> Guest82043, try user ubuntu pass ubuntu
[14:00] <urthmover> ok slakcphil
[14:00] <urthmover> I agree sipior
[14:00] <Guest82043> smw tried that too
[14:00] <Guest82043> lol
[14:00] <smw> Guest82043, please use a real nick
[14:01] <urthmover> after having looked at the dependencies  I think that vim-gtk accomplishes my needs whereas vim-gnome would require me to install the whole gnome suite
[14:01] <wrektjet> is there a way to investigate whether a computer running ubuntu has been hacked and is attacking other computers
[14:02] <slakcphil> wrektjet, there are many ways...
[14:02] <smw> hickleberryfun, hm... user ubuntu no password?
[14:02] <urthmover> wrektjet: netstat -a  will show you currently open connects  and resolve the ip  then just whois the ip's  might be mildly helpful
[14:02] <slakcphil> you can use tiger to check for some
[14:02] <hickleberryfun> tried it smw
[14:02] <slakcphil> lsof for open files
[14:02] <smw> hickleberryfun, let the system just load?
[14:02] <slakcphil> w
[14:02] <smw> hickleberryfun, why is a user/pass needed?
[14:02] <slakcphil> for who is logged in
[14:03] <hickleberryfun> smw after the install of a wireless driver
[14:03] <smw> hickleberryfun, ?
[14:03] <slakcphil> w command is a personal paranoid reflex for me :)
[14:03] <urthmover> slakcphil: is there a ps switch that shows who initiated a process?
[14:03] <smw> hickleberryfun, are you logged in?
[14:03] <urthmover> slakcphil: nvrmnd I'll rtfm the man
[14:03] <hickleberryfun> smw if you logout and log back in the driver activates and is usable, otherwise it is not possible to use on the live cd
[14:03] <slakcphil> -o user it hink
[14:03] <Pici> urthmover: 'u'
[14:04] <smw> hickleberryfun, so open a terminal, type "whoami" then type passwd
[14:04] <hickleberryfun> smw no i use this computer, just booted up on here to see if i could find the login information
[14:04] <slakcphil> Pici is right -u for username and -U for uid
[14:04] <slakcphil> ps --help
[14:04] <urthmover> thx Pici slakcphil
[14:04] <wrektjet> i will look at all of these thnx
[14:04] <smw> hickleberryfun, ok, whoami will tell you the username to login as (ubuntu I think)
[14:04] <smw> hickleberryfun, passwd will let you set the password
[14:04] <Pici> urthmover: I meant u alone, not -u
[14:05] <smw> hickleberryfun, then you logout and log back in
[14:05] <hickleberryfun> smw but you still need to know the current
[14:05] <smw> hickleberryfun, sudo passwd ubuntu
[14:05] <smw> hickleberryfun, that should not require a password
[14:05] <urthmover> Pici: interesting  ps u  shows me just my processes
[14:06] <smw> hickleberryfun, note that "ubuntu" is the user who you are logged in as
[14:06] <smw> hickleberryfun, anything else?
[14:06] <Pici> urthmover: ps aux will show all processes.
[14:06] <hickleberryfun> smw.. even with sudo you must know the current password, otherwise sudo cannot be used
[14:07] <usc911> Hey guys, im having some odd issues. I have a pretty new and decent spec asus laptop, over the last couple of days when every im doing anything even slightly cpu intensive ( am currently untarring) the cpu fan goes absolutely ballistic, I cant work out what would possibly be the issue, any thoughts/suggestions?
[14:07] <smw> hickleberryfun, really?
[14:07] <smw> hickleberryfun, that doesn't make sense
[14:07] <smw> hickleberryfun, you tried it?
[14:07] <ikonia> usc911: probably your cpu needs cool when it scales up while untarring
[14:08] <usc911> ikonia:but its never happened before and I used to failry hammer vmware
[14:08] <Sidewinder1> usc911, ikonia That was my thought, as well.
[14:08] <hickleberryfun> smw, how so? no i havent tried it, but whenever you use the sudo command, you are ALWAYS prompted for your password unless you have entered it recently and your system is set to save the password for an amount of time within the span
[14:08] <ikonia> usc911: different types of use, vmware is more ram than cpu
[14:08] <smw> hickleberryfun, but this is a live cd
[14:08] <usc911> ah ok
[14:08] <hickleberryfun> smw and gksudo for a graphical interface prompt
[14:09] <smw> hickleberryfun, it should work. The people who made the disk must have built in a way to obtain root
[14:09] <ikonia> usc911: look at it from a simple point of view, your cpu use goes up when you untar, = your cpu is more used, = your cpu is hotter, = turn on the fan
[14:09] <agentgasmask> Hi all. Can I delete the /home/user/.mozilla/firefox/profile/cache directory safely? Is it required?
[14:09] <usc911> ikinia:how about video (iplayer in particular) that also hammers the fan and hasn’t done previously
[14:09] <hickleberryfun> smw i guess ill try it but it will probably be a waste of time- definitely appreciate the help though
[14:10] <xangua> smw: there is no root password on ubuntu
[14:10] <smw> hickleberryfun, If I were making the disk I would setup sudo nopass. I am sure they did it.
[14:10] <ikonia> usc911: that can be quite busy on the cpu, also depends if the flash plugin is being used
[14:10] <ikonia> usc911: it sounds like your laptop may not have the best/most compatible apci interface, but it does work
[14:10] <usc911> ikonia: thanks
[14:10] <smw> xangua, "obtain root" in the sense of running with full sudo powers
[14:11] <Sidewinder1> usc911, Video hammers my cpu, as well; but it's an older system.. :-(
[14:12] <usc911> Sidewinder1: I'm just unsure why it has only just started doing it
[14:12] <usc911> mine now overheats (seemingly) and just cuts out
[14:13] <Sidewinder1> usc911, I understand, however, it sounds like the fan is working as designed; better to error on the side of cooling than too much heat. :D
[14:14] <Sidewinder1> usc911, You said it ie a lappy?
[14:14] <usc911> Sidewinder1: I agree, guess it's best to have it cut out rather than burn out. Yeah its an asus u33jc
[14:16] <Sidewinder1> usc911, OK. My wife has a lappy that was running too hot; she bought an aftermarket external fan system.  :D
[14:36] <MonkeyDust> Gentoo64  that'sa typo, there
[14:36] <huamao> Gentoo  invasion
[14:36] <theadmin> lol
[14:37] <tiboi> @locator linux torvalds
[14:37] <Sidewinder1> Translated as "pangolin puts baseball bat, in the corner.. ;-)
[14:37] <tiboi> @find bill gates
[14:38] <Sidewinder1> I know, I'll stop.
[14:38] <Pici> tiboi: please stop
[14:39] <tiboi> ok
[14:39] <gulzar> any good alternative pdf viewer which continues to scroll next page something like evince and okular and not 'rigid' like xpdf which only scrolls one page at a time?
[14:40] <Gentoo64> gulzar, i think epdfview can
[14:40] <Gentoo64> why not evince?
[14:40] <xangua> gulzar: epdf ¿
[14:40] <apwbdjp> what's wrong with evince?
[14:40] <gulzar> Gentoo64: evince isnot looking good with openbox...
[14:40] <xangua> adobe reader¿ :P
[14:40] <Gentoo64> i dont think zathura can, not even 100% sure epdfviewer can
[14:41] <gulzar> xangua: Gentoo64: i will try epdf
[14:41] <Gentoo64> gulzar, i use epdfviewer with openbox
[14:41] <Gentoo64> works good
[14:41] <Gentoo64> looks just like evince, but without all the deps
[14:41] <gulzar> xangua: no adobe .. i will go for epdf
[14:41] <huamao> evince can do that with proper setting
[14:41] <ok2cqr> hello, does ahnybody have experience with ipv6 on Ubuntu 10.04 server, please? IPV6 is working but after few minutes it stops and works again after /etc/init.d/networking restart
[14:41] <Gentoo64> ok2cqr, try #ipv6
[14:41] <Gentoo64> you use autoconfig?
[14:42] <ok2cqr> Gentoo64, No, I wrote settings directly to interfaces file
[14:42] <Gentoo64> hmm, :s
[14:42] <Gentoo64> what net card?
[14:42] <Gentoo64> not a realtek is it?
[14:42] <ok2cqr> it is virtual server, realtek card
[14:42] <ok2cqr> 8139too
[14:42] <gulzar> huamao: no  it didn't... I installed okular for evince but okular is heavy so wanted womthing lightweight
[14:42] <ok2cqr> module
[14:43] <Gentoo64> hmm not sure
[14:43] <Gentoo64> but i know some realteks need a special drive on linux
[14:43] <Gentoo64> 8168/8111 afaik
[14:43] <Gentoo64> or the cut out
[14:43] <Gentoo64> they*
[14:43] <ok2cqr> it is virtual server, ipv4 works without any problem
[14:44] <Gentoo64> hard to say
[14:44] <Gentoo64> it shouldnt be any different to ipv4 in terms of it working
[14:44] <ok2cqr> I have two virtual servers, both have the same card and the second is working but I don't know why :-(
[14:44] <Foulad> what is the keyboard shortcut for terminal windows ?
[14:44] <gulzar> huamao: try to address with names.. it will create less confusion :)
[14:44] <apwbdjp> Foulad, Ctrl+Alt+T?
[14:44] <Gentoo64> ok2cqr, have you tried it with autonconf see if it still cutso ut?
[14:44] <xangua> Foulad: control+alt+t , cotrol+alt+F (1 to 6 )
[14:45] <r4y> hello. I was using Firefox 3.6 on Ubuntu 10.04.3 and add-ons will not pop up,so I upgraded to Firefox 8 but I still have the same problem, so I used the Software Center to download Chatzilla and I have seaMonkey running it so I could get here
[14:45] <apwbdjp> xangua, that latter isn't actually a terminal window
[14:45] <ok2cqr> Gentoo64, No I have not. I'm not sure how to use autoconf.
[14:45] <Sidewinder1> Foulad, I knew one of the terminal gurus would know. :-)
[14:45] <Gentoo64> ok2cqr, it was that by default
 <xangua> thank you , what is keyboard shortcut to change keyboard language
[14:45] <Gentoo64> before you set static ip
[14:45]  * Sidewinder1 Is definatly, one.. :-(
[14:45] <gulzar> r4y: so prob is that the addons are not working???
[14:46] <Gentoo64> ok2cqr, id ask in #ipv6 as theyd know more then in here
[14:46] <xangua> r4y: rename yout .mozilla directory to try a new profile and see if it fixes it
[14:46] <r4y> No add-ons pop up, I will check again for the exact message
[14:46] <ok2cqr> Gentoo64, but how to tell the ip address to eth0 interface? With ifconfig?
[14:46] <ok2cqr> Gentoo64, Thank you, I'll try it.
[14:46] <Gentoo64> or network/interfaces
[14:46] <ok2cqr> I didn't have anything about ipv6 there
[14:47] <Foulad>  what is keyboard shortcut to change keyboard language
[14:47] <apwbdjp> Foulad, http://www.wikihow.com/Change-Keyboard-Layout-in-Ubuntu, not sure if this is what you're looking for
[14:47] <apwbdjp> !repeat | Foulad
 thank yuo
 no , i have 2 languages on my ubuntu (arabic , english) if i would like to wirte on arabic i have to change it on top bar
[14:49] <theadmin> Foulad: If you have multiple layouts installed, you will be able to configure the shortcut to switch it in "Keyboard".
[14:49] <mboeru> hello
 is there is way to change it with keyboard ?
[14:49] <theadmin> Foulad: By default, if I recall right, it's Alt+Alt
[14:49] <mboeru> anyone here know kickseed, preseed, kickstart
[14:49] <mboeru> i need some help partitioning 2 hdds with software raid
[14:49] <theadmin> mboeru: Those are redhat tools... We don't support them...
[14:49] <Sidewinder1> Foulad, At least you had the where-with-all to enclose in "<>" so she wouldn't stick her (ubottu) tongue, out at you. :D
[14:50] <mboeru> ubuntu uses a combination of kickstart with preseed, called preseed
[14:50] <Sidewinder1> !rootirc | Guest43897
[14:50] <mboeru> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/installation-guide/hppa/preseed-contents.html
[14:50] <r4y> I don't know why it's not saying it now, but still nothing is poping up, but I looked under my history to find this as part of one of my searches firefox couldn't retrieve add-ons
 Alt+Alt not working for me , im trying to change my keyboard to arabic , they only way now to change it from top bar by mouse
[14:50] <dalvan> ola
[14:50] <Gentoo64> Foulad, why not set arabic as default?
[14:51] <dalvan> ??
[14:51] <theadmin> Foulad: As I said, go to "Keyboard" in the settings center thingo, you'll be able to find the shortcuts for such stuff there (and change them too)
[14:51] <theadmin> Gentoo64: It's like with English and Russian - you need to switch because you can't type English with the Russian layout and vice versa
[14:51] <Gentoo64> ah yea
[14:51] <dalvan> Galera seguinte Não esta funcionando meus efeitos visuais do Ubuntu 11.10
[14:52] <dalvan> alguem sabe com abilita-los
[14:52] <MonkeyDust> !br| dalvan
 did not find it there !!
[14:53] <mboeru> so no kickseed knowers? :(
[14:53] <Sidewinder1> MonkeyDust, How in the world do you guys/gals, differentiate from Portuguese, Spanish, Brazilian? I bow to you all!
[14:54] <deej1976> Sidewinder1 /whois nick ( ip address )
[14:54] <Gentoo64> i was gona say !it
[14:54] <Gentoo64> lol
[14:54] <deej1976> Sidewinder1 or domain
[14:54] <Sidewinder1> OIC.. Always something new to learn.. Now, if I could only type..
[14:55] <plusEV> lol
[14:55] <deej1976> Sidewinder1: Rectangular object in front of you with lots of buttons :D
[14:56] <deej1976> !info tuxtype | Sidewinder1:
[14:56] <Gentoo64> !keyboard | Sidewinder1
[14:56] <plusEV> workspace switcher + 2 monitors = 8 monitors
[14:56] <Sidewinder1> deej1976, Thought that was a calculator..
[14:56] <plusEV> this is just awesum
[14:57] <deej1976> Sidewinder1: It's the landscape one
[14:57] <r4y> Seems there is some problem for add-ons, but I am not sure if it is the same as Google has shown. I do have ad-block installed though. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=994&bih=601&q=+firefox+couldn%27t+retrieve+add-ons&oq=+firefox+couldn%27t+retrieve+add-ons&aq=f&aqi=g1g-v6&aql=1&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=250200l250200l0l250962l1l1l0l0l0l0l405l405l4-1l1l0#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&source=hp&q=fire
[14:57] <r4y> fox+couldn%27t+retrieve+add-ons+ubuntu&pbx=1&oq=firefox+couldn%27t+retrieve+add-ons+ubuntu&aq=f&aqi=g-v1&aql=1&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=89764l90749l0l91112l7l4l0l3l3l2l332l1127l2-2.2l7l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=e7634fcd593c18b&biw=994&bih=601
[14:57] <FloodBot1> r4y: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:57] <r4y> sorry I didn't know that link was so long
[14:58] <deej1976> r4y: try using tinyurl.com as well
[14:58] <vegabond> hey
[14:58] <Sidewinder1> deej1976, ot, but I've actually tried many typing programs; just didn't have the patience.. :-( It's tough bein' old and "set-in-one's-ways".
[14:58] <Gentoo64> Sidewinder1, i bought a completely blank das the other week
[14:58] <vegabond> hi! please help me
[14:58] <deej1976> Sidewinder1: yes, cli rules
[14:58] <Gentoo64> can help, lol
[14:59] <r4y> thank you deej1976
[14:59] <vegabond> how can i use the command line to open an application
[14:59] <Gentoo64> vega-, type the app name
[14:59] <apwbdjp> vegabond, by typing the name of the application, and hitting enter
[14:59] <Gentoo64> bond
[15:00] <deej1976> vegabond: start a terminal and enter the name i.e. gedit
[15:00] <Gentoo64> try typing part of it and hitting tab
[15:00] <Gentoo64> some are weird names
[15:00] <Gentoo64> random e.g avidemux is avidemux_gtk
[15:00] <Gentoo64> for the gtk one ofc
[15:00] <vegabond> ok! tnx :)
[15:00] <apwbdjp> Gentoo64, even more twister: Ubuntu's disk utility: palimpsest
[15:00] <Gentoo64> yeah, lol
[15:01] <Sidewinder1> deej1976, I even tried ubuntu's sphinx-somethin'-or-other and couldn't get it configured properly, it's a speech to text program. If it'd worked, the floodbots would've set a permanent ban on my IP. ;-)
[15:01] <Gentoo64> not even tab can help you with that
[15:01] <r4y> If you want to know what the name is for a program drag and drop it into the terminal then try omitting the rest. That usually works.
[15:01] <Gentoo64> r4y, dont work in all terminals/des.
[15:01] <ok2cqr> Gentoo64, I just looked at dmesg and see eth0: no IPv6 routers present but ping6 to ipv6.google.com works
[15:01] <Gentoo64> bad practice imo
[15:01] <Gentoo64> ok2cqr, thats normall message
[15:02] <deej1976> Sidewinder1: Excellent wouldn't have to watch this terminal.
[15:02] <apwbdjp> r4y, Gentoo64 I remember an app that would give you the name of whatever window you clic on.. anyone know about that?
[15:02] <Gentoo64> :s not sure
[15:03] <llutz> apwbdjp: xwininfo
[15:03] <apwbdjp> llutz, I love you
[15:04] <Sidewinder1> deej1976, No, no; I'd still have to read the screen; just would've been able to speak (with no typos/spelling mistakes) and text would've been in my response window; just hit 'enter'.
[15:04] <apwbdjp> xprop seems to help with that too
[15:04] <Gentoo64> ok2cqr, keep a tail -f /var/log/messages (or similar) open see if it says anything when it cuts off
[15:05] <Gentoo64> or plain dmesg
[15:05] <WicketUser> hi , i tried to install mysql server and upgrade it but i got some error that i am not able to remove mysql server or install it again.. any suggestion?
[15:05] <deej1976> Sidewinder1: Even better then, Screen Reader reading off replies, and then a voice to text convert, woow
[15:05] <Sidewinder1> If, only..
[15:06] <r4y> Sorry for flooding. I guess I should leave
[15:06] <ok2cqr> Gentoo64, nothing was added
[15:07] <Gentoo64> so ipv4 still works fine when v6 cuts off?
[15:07] <Sidewinder1> r4y, I didn't think you were flooding..
[15:07] <Gentoo64> and only on one box, both have same net cards?
[15:07] <WicketUser> guys, i am new to ubuntu.. could u tell me how to uninstall a software completely?
[15:07] <Gentoo64> same router etc?
[15:07] <ok2cqr> Gentoo64, yes, ipv4 is still working
[15:07] <Gentoo64> WicketUser, apt-get purge app
[15:07] <r45c4l> hello friends, actually i am having some strange problem that when i am trying to open some websites its saying may be my system is infected with some virus, so i have taken the o/p of netstat -an and pstree can any one help me to figure out the problem
[15:08] <deej1976> WicketUser: sudo apt-get purge [packagename]
[15:08] <r45c4l> i am not that good with linux
[15:08] <Gentoo64> ok2cqr, hmm weird
[15:08] <Gentoo64> ok2cqr, paste /etc/network/interfaces?
[15:08] <OerHeks> WicketUser, normally stop the service before removal.
[15:08] <Sidewinder1> r4y, OIC, up above; everyone makes a mistake every now and then.. NP.
[15:08] <Gentoo64> ok2cqr, i probably cant help tho
[15:08] <ok2cqr> Gentoo64, it seems that it iw working only if I leave ping6 ipv6.google.com running. After I terminate it, the connection is gone in a few seconds.
[15:09] <r4y> Hmm, well, light bulb.  And thank you for the kind words Sidewinder1
[15:10] <Sidewinder1> r4y, As an aside, I use adblock plus and have never has a problem with add-ons..
[15:10] <ok2cqr> Gentoo64, I have native connection.
[15:10] <Gentoo64> oh ok
[15:10] <Sidewinder1> :D
[15:10] <Gentoo64> erm
[15:10] <Barbarian> Good evening ladies and gentlemen
[15:10] <r4y> I have used ad-block a whole lot before without problems, so I don't what is going on
[15:10] <zach_> so I'm a newbie to irc... is there anyone that would be kind enough to walk me through it.... unless I figured it out already
[15:11] <Gentoo64> r45c4l, screenshot please
[15:11] <r45c4l> ok 1 sec Gentoo64 till then here is th e OP of netstat -a and pstree http://pastebin.com/QqViiuEY
[15:11] <Gentoo64> netstat means nothing to me
[15:11] <Gentoo64> it could be anything
[15:11] <Sidewinder1> r4y, It can, at times, be a challenge, but I'm reasonably certain that you'll figger' it out.
[15:12] <Barbarian> r45c4l, because of the way linux works, any virus is probably confined to your browser. Try uninstalling and purging, then reinstalling it
[15:12] <r4y> isn't there an irc channel for zach, it is the freenode channel or something like that. I remember asking before
[15:12] <Gentoo64> Barbarian, that wont do anything
[15:12] <Barbarian> Gentoo64, no?
[15:12] <Gentoo64> you cant get viruses like on windows
[15:12] <zach_> ya r4y i think i screwed up the setup
[15:12] <Gentoo64> it wouldnt be confuned to the browser anyway
[15:12] <Gentoo64> imo it just wouldnt happen
[15:13] <Gentoo64> unless it was ie in wine (possibly)
[15:13] <r4y> I run chatzilla. It's great. It's an add-on for Firefox
[15:13] <enth> Opera has a pretty okay integrated irc client
[15:13] <r4y> You can also get chatzilla through the Ubuntu Software Center
[15:13] <Barbarian> Thats the way I've understood it, that individual applications can get compromised, but that never affects any other app or the operating system
[15:14] <zach_> cool thanks a bunch man
[15:14] <r4y> No Problem
[15:14] <Gentoo64> Barbarian, nah. the whole thing about runnin "not" as root is so if anything bad does happen, the worst that can happen is a ruined /home
[15:14] <Gentoo64> not a ruined /
[15:14] <r45c4l> Gentoo64, and Barbarian here is the screenshot http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/249/captchag.png/
[15:14] <r45c4l> by the way Barbarian i did not got it what you want me to do
[15:15] <Gentoo64> r45c4l, ok that looks normal
[15:15] <Gentoo64> the site just wants you to fill in crap
[15:15] <Gentoo64> to proceed
[15:15] <Barbarian> yeah... nothing to do with viruses there
[15:15] <Sidewinder1> Barbarian, I believe that you are essentially correct. You might look here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=510812 if you've not already seen it.
[15:16] <r45c4l> yeah but these sites are normal sites Gentoo64 and Barbarian and this never happened before
[15:16] <Gentoo64> r45c4l, no idea. its not a virus tho
[15:16] <r4y> Wow, what a great reason to have home protected with sudo, no?
[15:16] <r45c4l> its saying that may be some bot can be also there so is that possible ?
[15:16] <Gentoo64> it cant be
[15:16] <dbristow> Looks like the precise-preinstalled-desktop-armel+ac100.bootimg that's currently on cdimage.ubuntu.com fails the MD5SUM/SHA1SUM/SHA256SUM checksums
[15:16] <Gentoo64> r45c4l, then it wouldnt be /home
[15:16] <dbristow> 12.04 alpha-1
[15:17] <Gentoo64> r45c4l, as youd be running stuff as root, which is worse
[15:17] <Barbarian> r45c4l, have you tried filling that in and clicking next?
[15:17] <dbristow> Everywhere I have been able to download it from, it fails the checksum.
[15:17] <Gentoo64> r45c4l, you using proxy?
[15:17] <Gentoo64> tor, web prioxy whatever
[15:17] <Gentoo64> its prob that
[15:17] <dbristow> Every other file passes.
[15:17] <r45c4l> no Gentoo64 thats what i also thought too but i checked and i am not on any proxy
[15:17] <Barbarian> Also, thanks Sidewinder1! Thats a great read as I recently got my hands on a debian server I ssh to
[15:17] <Gentoo64> r45c4l, what dns you using?
[15:17] <r45c4l> tor i have disable as i dont need at home
[15:18] <Gentoo64> r45c4l, id check for proxies, or random dns
[15:18] <Sidewinder1> Barbarian, My pleasure. :D
[15:18] <r45c4l> Gentoo64, right now i am using a data card and if u want my dns i can give u the details here
[15:18] <r45c4l> wait
[15:18] <Gentoo64> they can show as "bots" or suspicious and make you fill out captchas
[15:18] <Gentoo64> i reckon its a proxy
[15:18] <codazoda> Uh-oh. I uninstalled nvidia and now my MacBook Pro won't boot.  Any ideas?  Recovery mode locks up at the resume, fsck, remount, root menu.
[15:18] <WicketUser> how to stop service in ubuntu?
[15:18] <r45c4l> r45c4l@h4ckb0x:~$ nslookup
[15:18] <r45c4l> > server
[15:18] <r45c4l> Default server: <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:18] <r45c4l> Address: <IP_ADDRESS>#53
[15:18] <r45c4l> Default server: <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:19] <r45c4l> Address: <IP_ADDRESS>#53
[15:19] <FloodBot1> r45c4l: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:19] <r45c4l> opps my bad
[15:19] <r45c4l> sorry for flooding
[15:19] <Gentoo64> r45c4l, its ok, use a paste site next time tho. http://dpaste.com/
[15:19] <enth> he be flodden
[15:19] <Barbarian> https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/evilmalware.html <--- HAHAHAHAHHAAHA
[15:20] <Gentoo64> heh its true
[15:20] <Gentoo64> see why linux not having viruses, is nothing to do with market share?
[15:20] <r45c4l> Gentoo64, and Barbarian this is the OP http://pastebin.com/9sfLV0KW
[15:20] <codazoda> Can't get Ubuntu 11.10 to boot, even in safe mode it locks up.  Am I reinstalling?
[15:21] <Gentoo64> r45c4l, no idea what that dns is
[15:21] <Barbarian> r45c4l, looks normal to me
[15:21] <Sidewinder1> codazoda, New install?
[15:21] <Gentoo64> try googles standard one
[15:21] <Gentoo64> <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:21] <dehorse> damn it and I switched to linux to avoid virus's
[15:21] <Gentoo64> thats like the standard dns nowadays
[15:21] <Barbarian> dehorse, lol
[15:21] <r45c4l> ok Gentoo64 and Barbarian just one more question what if i try to check my outgoing packets with wireshark ??
[15:21] <r45c4l> should i just check for http packets or something else too ???
[15:22] <Gentoo64> you could
[15:22] <codazoda> SideWinder1, No, I had 10.10 then 11.04 then 11.10.  Upgraded each.  I just uninstalled nvidia today and now it won't boot, even in recovery mode.
[15:22] <Sidewinder1> dehorse, Please have a look here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=510812
[15:22] <Gentoo64> but itll probbaly just be a load of mess
[15:22] <dehorse> i know. im  stupid lol
[15:22] <r45c4l> yeah you are right Gentoo64
[15:22] <Gentoo64> r45c4l, try different dns (googles) and see if it goes away
[15:22] <dehorse> THANKS sidewinder
[15:22] <Gentoo64> i googled ur dns ip and cant find anything "normal"
[15:23] <Barbarian> r45c4l, don't think you'd find much with wireshark tbh
[15:23] <r45c4l> aaah thats a nice idea Gentoo64 thanks, let me try
[15:23] <Gentoo64> but i spent 2 secs looking
[15:23] <Sidewinder1> dehorse, Glad to help.
[15:23] <rtr-> hi
[15:24] <codazoda> Is there a keystoke to exit the "Recovery Menu"?  That seems "broken" on my box.
[15:24] <rtr-> is it possible to install a minimal-install from a usual setupcd?
[15:24] <Gentoo64> rtr-, dont think so
[15:24] <Gentoo64> otherwise they wouldnt make a minimal cd :)
[15:25] <codazoda> I get a "low speed usb device" note and then the menu is unresponsive.
[15:25] <Barbarian> rtr-, put a minimal install on a usb with unetbootin, easiest way
[15:25] <WicketUser> hi , please could u tell me how to stop a running service in ubuntu 11.10?
[15:25] <Gentoo64> service stop
[15:26] <Gentoo64> service something stop
[15:26] <WicketUser> thx
[15:27] <czytelnia> gruby
[15:27] <Barbarian> Gentoo64, didn't know that, I always used init.d. I come here to help people and I end up learning, win
[15:27] <|Anthony|> can i use this package in 10.04:
[15:27] <|Anthony|> http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/web/rtmpdump
[15:28] <Gentoo64> Barbarian, ubuntu uses service as well, which apparently stops in a nicer way
[15:28] <Gentoo64> i dont use ubuntu, i learn abotu it in here lol
[15:28] <WicketUser> Gentoo64 : the service is there when i list them but i got : stop: Unknown instance:
[15:28] <Barbarian> Gentoo64, just tried it with yacy, don't know the details but it's certainly faster
[15:29] <dehorse> sidewinder, aren't we on firefox 4 not 3?
[15:29] <Gentoo64> WicketUser, right service name?
[15:29] <WicketUser> yes
[15:29] <Barbarian> WicketUser, What are you trying to stop?
[15:29] <dehorse> slash 8
[15:29] <Gentoo64> damn, 9s nearly stable
[15:29] <WicketUser> mysql service
[15:30] <Gentoo64> WicketUser, service mysql stop
[15:30] <Gentoo64> might be mysqld
[15:30] <Gentoo64> idk
[15:31] <sskalnik> /etc/init.d/mysql stop ?
[15:31] <WicketUser> i got : mysqlid: unrecognized service
[15:31] <smax> moin
[15:31] <Gentoo64> type
[15:31] <dehorse> is the standard firewall effective?
[15:31] <Gentoo64> typo
[15:31] <Gentoo64> dehorse, yes
[15:31] <smax> I want to read the source of a tool.   Where does scapy go, if I apt-get install scapy?
[15:31] <Gentoo64> its diaabled by default btw
[15:31] <smax> it's a python program
[15:31] <sskalnik> WicketUser, mysqld, not mysqlId
[15:31] <Barbarian> WicketUser, without the 'I'
[15:31] <dehorse> cool then i think im good thanks gentoo
[15:32] <Gentoo64> dehorse, just sudo ufw enable
[15:32] <Gentoo64> then allow ports
[15:32] <Sidewinder1> |Anthony|, It's not recommended to use packages from one version to another.
[15:32] <Gentoo64> or use the gui
[15:32] <WicketUser> the same .. mysqld: unrecognized service
[15:32] <dehorse> gentoo you're a god
[15:32] <Gentoo64> WicketUser, try sudo service mysqld start
[15:32] <Barbarian> smax, probably in /etc somewhere
[15:32] <samsul> # service mysql stop
[15:33] <Barbarian> smax, or /var
[15:33] <codazoda> Yup, the recovery menu is just broken.  I pulled recovery out of the boot options and I'm into a command line.
[15:33] <WicketUser> the same
[15:33] <codazoda> Shew.
[15:33] <Gentoo64> WicketUser, no idea :s
[15:33] <Sidewinder1> |Anthony|, Especially Precise (not yet released) pkgs, in 10.04..
[15:33] <Gentoo64> WicketUser, try /etc/init.d/mysqld stop for the sake of it
[15:34] <Gentoo64> if that works, no idea why service dont
[15:34] <urthmover> good morning
[15:34] <WicketUser> /etc/init.d/mysqld: unrecognized service
[15:34] <sskalnik> Gentoo64, not /etc/init.d/mysql stop ?
[15:34] <Gentoo64> ^ try mysql
[15:34] <Gentoo64> idk i dont use mysql lol
[15:35] <Sidewinder1> |Anthony|, And, since you're using a cloak, I would suspect that you already know better. ;-)
[15:35] <sskalnik> It should be with a d, but sometimes...
[15:35] <WicketUser> when i list the services i can see a service called 'mysql' but when i want to stop it i get "stop: Unknown instance:
[15:35] <WicketUser> "
[15:35] <Gentoo64> :s
[15:36] <Gentoo64> try rebooting maybe and see if it stops then
[15:36] <Gentoo64> no idea
[15:36] <WicketUser> thx alot
[15:36] <Barbarian> WicketUser, do ps aux | grep mysql
[15:36] <Barbarian> take the PID
[15:36] <Barbarian> and do kill <pid>
[15:36] <Gentoo64> i know i shouldnt suggest rebooting, but it can help sort itself out
[15:38] <sskalnik> WicketUser, sudo status mysql
[15:38] <r4y> How to I down grade firefox back to 3.6 in Ubuntu 10.04.3
[15:39] <LiNuX`sup> morning linux users... quick question. Has anyone else using ubuntu 11.10 ever experience video display bugs where the screen will randomly get pixelated as if the vid card were dead but then fine after reboot?
[15:39] <WicketUser> i got user1     3867  0.0  0.0   4444   812 pts/0    S+   16:36   0:00 grep --color=auto mysql but when i did kill i got "No such process
[15:39] <WicketUser> "
[15:39] <Gentoo64> r4y, youd have to somehow mask it afaik. why would you want to?
[15:39] <Barbarian> LiNuX`sup, nope, never happened to me. What vid card and what drivers?
[15:39] <Gentoo64> LiNuX`sup, you using nouveau?
[15:40] <Barbarian> LiNuX`sup, nvm, gotta run. GL!
[15:40] <r4y> ad-block plus doesn't work for it, so it is disabled
[15:40] <Gentoo64> r4y, it should
[15:40] <r4y> Firefox 8 I mean
[15:40] <Gentoo64> works on ff8 for me
[15:40] <Gentoo64> so it does work... :s
[15:40] <LiNuX`sup> barabrian: I'm on a mac using bootcamp so I'm clueless r4y: I don't know what that is so I assume not
[15:40] <sskalnik> http://paste.ubuntu.com/760984/ <[15:41] <r4y> I tried un-installing ad-block plus and re-insalling it. I guess I shouldn't use the ad-block plus from the Ubuntu Software Center
[15:41] <Gentoo64> r4y, its one of the most popular extentions, afaik it should work even on the daily builds
[15:41] <LiNuX`sup> the issue randomly occurs, it's happened 3 times in the past month
[15:41] <Gentoo64> well uninstall that, and use the one from the ff addons page
[15:41] <r4y> OK, I will be back
[15:41] <Gentoo64> LiNuX`sup, ive had that, but only using nouveau (nvidia)
[15:42] <Gentoo64> could be something to do with firmware
[15:42] <Gentoo64> being loaded
[15:42] <caki> +i
[15:42] <caki> my ip adress
[15:42] <Gentoo64> screens totally pixelated, like the cards dead. exact problem i had
[15:42] <Pici> sskalnik: Have you tried asking in #ubuntu-packaging yet?
[15:42] <Gentoo64> only with nouveau
[15:42] <caki> mode +i
[15:42] <Gentoo64> caki, ?
[15:43] <Gentoo64> LiNuX`sup, try lspci | grep VGA
[15:43] <LiNuX`sup> Gentoo64: how can I find out what this mac has?
[15:43] <Gentoo64> ^
[15:44] <LiNuX`sup> k will google it, thanks
[15:44] <meerkats> can anyone tell me where to find, /proc/sys/kernel/yama/ptrace_scope?
[15:44] <LiNuX`sup> are any of the people in here actual employees of ubuntu?
[15:44] <Gentoo64> LiNuX`sup, quite possibly nvidia you have
[15:44] <Gentoo64> LiNuX`sup, nope.
[15:44] <Pici> LiNuX`sup: There may be some.
[15:44] <LiNuX`sup> I think so too since amd bout ati
[15:44] <Gentoo64> i dont know much about macs, but i know they do use nvidia
[15:44] <pangolin> meerkats: in /proc/sys/kernel/yama/
[15:45] <Gentoo64> not sure if 100% do tho
[15:45] <me0w> hey guys I have some problems with sound in Ubuntu 11.10.. the sound is enabled but I hear nothing in my headphones :(
[15:45] <LiNuX`sup> I know I hate macs which is why I run ubuntu!
[15:45] <LiNuX`sup> lol
[15:45] <dehorse> one more dumb question: Force Quit?
[15:45] <Gentoo64> dehorse, you asking what it does?
[15:45] <LiNuX`sup> dehorse: system monitor you can end task
[15:45] <dehorse> ty
[15:45] <dehorse> no how to
[15:45] <Gentoo64> ah ok
[15:45] <LiNuX`sup> dehorse: you can also easily install the force quit app
[15:45] <meerkats> pangolin, hidden folders? in usr/share?
[15:46] <LiNuX`sup> right cick show hidden folders
[15:46] <Gentoo64> LiNuX`sup, ok so do you have nvidia? if so did you manually install any drivers for it?
[15:46] <pangolin> meerkats: are you being serious? the path is /proc/sys/kernel/yama/ptrace_scope it is a file try nano /proc/sys/kernel/yama/ptrace_scope
[15:46] <|Anthony|> Sidewinder1, yes i do, but i was hoping that the rtmpdump 2.4 package might not be version specific
[15:46] <LiNuX`sup> no, only what ubuntu felt was best
[15:46] <Gentoo64> if not youll be on nouveau (kernel driver)
[15:46] <Gentoo64> ok
[15:46] <|Anthony|> don't want to build from source
[15:46] <meerkats> pangolin, just why do you think I ask?
[15:46] <Gentoo64> well lspci | grep VGA
[15:46] <Gentoo64> LiNuX`sup, ^
[15:46] <Gentoo64> if its nvidia, install nvidia drivers
[15:46] <pangolin> meerkats: no idea why you are asking where it is when you are providing the exact path.
[15:47] <LiNuX`sup> Gentoo64: ok I'm going to try my luck I will update soon
[15:47] <gulzar> how to have best looking fonts with openbox? What this propety is known as?
[15:48] <Gentoo64> gulzar, what ubuntu
[15:48] <Gentoo64> it should have lcd patched fonts already
[15:48] <Gentoo64> you might need to tweak some configs for them to affect
[15:48] <gulzar> Gentoo64: but what this propert is called?
[15:48] <Gentoo64> try lxappearance
[15:48] <Gentoo64> font rendering
[15:48] <Pici> !enter
[15:48] <gulzar> Gentoo64: OK
[15:49] <LiNuX`sup> Gentoo64: it's actually ATI surprisingly as I know they use intel chips
[15:49] <Gentoo64> gulzar, lxappearance has options for fonts in there for openbox
[15:49] <Gentoo64> LiNuX`sup, hmm no idea about ati. try installing ati drivers though it might help
[15:49] <meerkats> can anyone tell me how to find, /proc/sys/kernel/yama/ not using the terminal?
[15:49] <Sidewinder1> |Anthony|, Most are version specific; and you're asking for major problems if you try to "mix-and-match; beside the point, doing so is totally unsupported, here. :-)
[15:49] <LiNuX`sup> Gentoo64: I am now, thanks
[15:49] <|Anthony|> yeah
[15:49] <|Anthony|> :/
[15:49] <Gentoo64> meerkats, what do you mean find?
[15:50] <Gentoo64> you already know where it is
[15:50] <LiNuX`sup> while it's installing has anyone figured out the window snapping bug where you randomly get the orange box?
[15:50] <ks07> Hey guys, I'm going to resize some mdadm soft raid 1 partitions - does mdadm --resize change the physical partitions itself, or will I need to edit them with fdisk?
[15:50] <lauratika> when trying to open a link in totem it says  "Cannot connect to proxy (<IP_ADDRESS>)" but im not behinf a proxy. how i disable proxy in ubuntu 11.10
[15:50] <LiNuX`sup> I'd like that to be fixed without disabling window snapping as I use it
[15:50] <|Anthony|> Sidewinder1, well, 12.04 has alsa 1.0.24 and rtmpdump 2.4 which are needed for xbmc
[15:50] <gulzar> Gentoo64: yes there are. so what to choose - sub-pixel geometry has multiple options : RGB , BGR , VRGB, VBGR .  Which is best?
[15:50] <|Anthony|> but it's in alpha
[15:50] <Gentoo64> gulzar, plain RGB
[15:50] <Sidewinder1> |Anthony|, Not that, sometimes I try to get "creative" but, that's at your own risk. ;-)
[15:50] <meerkats> Gentoo64, I need to edit a file in that directory, I can just cd to it in the terminal but I have no idea what to do next. I just thought, if I access that directory via GUI Ubuntu would let me open it as a txt or sh file
[15:50] <gulzar> Gentoo64: Ok . That was default
[15:51] <vinit> hi all
[15:51] <pangolin> meerkats: open your file manager (nautilus) click on the Root folder > and you will see a folder for proc
[15:51] <demon> Hi i use Ubuntu the first time an i have some problems with the ati-driver-installer-11-11-x86.x86_64.run i use it with Ati Powercolour 3850HD Agp an after the installation the bootscreen iss in small resolution swap to 1920x1080 when desktop runs iss okay because  i have no graphical power in Ubunto 10.04.3 Lts it feels Ati chipset iss not running no power on desktop i use Ati with asus a7n8xe and 2 gig ram 3200XP Amd(old system)and after
[15:51] <demon>  a small time ubuntu freeze in i must take a newstart.The problem iss not with this driver alone the problem iss with all fglrx drivers for ati the standart graphic driver runs without problems an desktop power because i want more power to game with fglrx driver on Ubuntu iss there anywone who can help me to config this in Ubuntu or iss that not possible with Ati 3850HD AGP.
[15:51] <demon> iss here german help in this CHat?
[15:51] <FloodBot1> demon: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:51] <demon> iss this the right chat for this problem ?
[15:51] <Gentoo64> meerkats, you do know proc is temporary right?
[15:51] <Gentoo64> virtual fs
[15:51] <meerkats> Gentoo64, i HAD NO IDEA
[15:51] <meerkats> sorry
[15:51] <Gentoo64> ok, so now you know
[15:51] <sskalnik> !deutsch
[15:51] <gulzar> Gentoo64: and there is hinting also .... with : slight, medium, full
[15:51] <Gentoo64> mostly echo is used for /proc
[15:51] <demon> ja
[15:51] <Gentoo64> for temp stuff
[15:51] <meerkats> Gentoo64, the noob is goinna ask, meaning?
[15:51] <Gentoo64> gulzar, i use full gunting
[15:52] <Sidewinder1> |Anthony|, Please keep in mind that 12.04 won't be released for several months and is still in 'beta'; you have a lot more 'guts', than I..
[15:52] <Gentoo64> hinting
[15:52] <gulzar> Gentoo64: Ok done. Thank You
[15:52] <Gentoo64> gulzar, but try slight it might look better to you (it less sharp)
[15:52] <Gentoo64> i prefer full
[15:52] <gulzar> Gentoo64:  OK.. then will check and see :)
[15:53] <lauratika> anyone?
[15:53] <Gentoo64> meerkats, a lot of /proc is kernel stuff and can be set permenantly in sysctl.conf
[15:53] <Gentoo64> use echo for temp settings
[15:54] <demon> jbache?
[15:54] <jason00> Question - I want to create a DD backup of my SD card. How would I do it? sudo dd if=/dev/sdb of=/home/user/sdbackup.tar.gz ???
[15:55] <Gentoo64> meerkats, to explain, say you want to use noop scheduler, you can do: echo "noop" > /sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler but its gone after reboot
[15:55] <|Anthony|> Sidewinder1, the 10.04 box i have put together right now to use for xbmc is a pain... i don't do updates cause i'm tired of packages breaking... forget how to "pin" a package so it doesn't get uninstalled during updates (alsa 1.0.24)
[15:55] <Gentoo64> meerkats, so you can add sysctl options to have them loaded at boot
[15:55] <Gentoo64> or do the kernel yourself ofc
[15:56] <meerkats> ok Gentoo64 , ill have too google anyways
[15:56] <BluesKaj> jason00, why the tar extension ..dd it first then compress the file
[15:56] <RaTTuS|BIG> jason00 like http://www.backuphowto.info/linux-backup-hard-disk-clone-dd
[15:56] <jason00> BluesKaj: but what do I DD it to? I'm not DDing it to another flash drive or else I could do if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sdc
[15:56] <demon> okay
[15:56] <jason00> RaTTuS|BIG: ahhh! .img! That's what it was. I had forgotten what it was when I read about it a few weeks ago.
[15:57] <VinZe_DiamoNd> hi
[15:57] <RaTTuS|BIG> but also - liek dd if=/dev/daa conv=sync,noerror bs=64k | gzip -c  > /mnt/sda1/hda.img.gz
[15:57] <RaTTuS|BIG> sort of thing - also the HD values occoringly
[15:58] <apwbdjp> RaTTuS|BIG, any reason for the 64K block?
[15:59] <RaTTuS|BIG> apwbdjp - yeah bigger reads are better than the stansdard - even 1M may get it faster
[15:59] <RaTTuS|BIG> in fact I'd use 1M as a default
[15:59] <RaTTuS|BIG> back after coffee and cake
[15:59] <apwbdjp> RaTTuS|BIG, oh, me too about the 1M, I though you used smaller for the compression or something.
[16:00] <trosky> Hola
[16:01] <jason00> RaTTuS|BIG: I don't really want speed or anything. I just want to ensure what I have in the .img is identical to the sd card contents. Would the standard if=/dev/sdb of=/home/user/disk.img do the job?
[16:02] <r4y_> OK, I kept running in cycles on the problem I had, but now it's fixed I think
[16:03] <demon> thanks
[16:05] <r4y_> I for some reason had flash 10 installed instead of the flash installer. I installed the flash installer then installed flash from their website Then I removed adblock completely with the Synaptic Package Manager, then I installed adblock with Firefox
[16:06] <r4y_> Now add-ons pop-up and are installable, however chatzilla is said to not be compatible with Firefox 8
[16:06] <Gentoo64> maybe it isnt yet
[16:07] <r4y_> That's what I think
[16:07] <Gentoo64> it should say on their site
[16:07] <r4y_> the first comment by someone says that
[16:08] <r4y_> Sorry I am not fast a typing and it's hard to put things into words sometimes for me, but everyone has their own
[16:08] <r4y_> Thank you for the help
[16:09] <Gentoo64> i understood you
[16:09] <sskalnik> If theoretically I trust the name of the current linux-headers package over "uname -r", how might I strip the path to the linux headers down to the same format as "uname -r"?
[16:09] <overdub> how can i dump to terminal all flags the present kernel was compiled with?
[16:09] <Gentoo64> overdub, not sure thats possible
[16:09] <Gentoo64> i could br wrong
[16:09] <r4y_> I know, but I kept rewording what I was going to say and I couldn't type as quick as I was thinking
[16:09] <Gentoo64> r4y_, its ok
[16:10] <r4y_> Not that I think all that fast
[16:10] <Gentoo64> dont matter lol
[16:10] <Gentoo64> overdub, why do you need to know?
[16:10] <r4y_> I know. Thank you.
[16:10] <Gentoo64> overdub, be default its O2 afaik
[16:10] <r4y_> Take care. Bye
[16:10] <Gentoo64> depends on distro, some is OS
[16:10] <overdub> Gentoo64: curious and want to see
[16:10] <meadhikari> my admin does not give me crontab, is there any workaround?
[16:11] <deej1976> overdub: There was/is and option for the .configure of the kernel compile to be compress in /proc/.something but I don't think it's enabled
[16:11] <Gentoo64> overdub, zgrep SIZE /proc/config.gz
[16:11] <Gentoo64> ubuntu may not use proc config idk
[16:11] <larryone> hi guys, copy and paste on my ubuntu desktop box seem to have stopped working as expected
[16:12] <larryone> I suspected synergy may have been interfering, but the symptoms persisted after killing it
[16:12] <larryone> any idea where I can look to try to diagnose copy and paste failures?
[16:12] <larryone> or generic clipboard schtuff?
[16:12] <Gentoo64> in what way is it broke?
[16:13] <Gentoo64> middle click?
[16:13] <Gentoo64> or proper paste
[16:13] <larryone> usualy i highlight to copy and middle click to paste
[16:13] <larryone> this does nothign
[16:13] <Gentoo64> that can be fragile imo
[16:13] <larryone> shift insert does nothing
[16:13] <larryone> highlight, right click, copy
[16:14] <Gentoo64> what about normal copy (ctrl c) then paste
[16:14] <larryone> then right clisk, and paste is greyed out
[16:14] <Gentoo64> :S
[16:14] <Gentoo64> dont know
[16:14] <deej1976> overdub: cat /boot/config-`uname -r`
[16:14] <larryone> hmm
[16:14] <Gentoo64> larryone, what are you copuing text from?
[16:15] <hatchetjack> any ideas on how to install devede in 11.10?
[16:15] <Gentoo64> only thing it dotn work for me with is if i cop from incognito browser, then close the browser
[16:15] <larryone> ctrl-c and ctrl-v seem to be ok in firefox for example, but ctrl-c for copying stuff in the terminal is no good =0)
[16:15] <hatchetjack> I seem to be in dependenacy hell
[16:15] <Gentoo64> larryone, thats because ctrl c is cancel in terminal
[16:15] <celthunder> larryone: which terminal app are you using
[16:15] <deej1976> hatchetjack: sudo apt-get install devede
[16:15] <larryone> yes, i know
[16:15] <overdub> deej1976: just found that with google and about to try it, thanks
[16:15] <Gentoo64> you need right click, paste (in gnome terminal)
[16:15] <larryone> i'm using gnome-terminal
[16:15] <larryone> it worked up till recently
[16:16] <larryone> never seen it fail before
[16:16] <hatchetjack> deej1976: what does aptitude choke on it?
[16:16] <celthunder> then theres shorcuts for copy and paste i don't know what it is though cuase i use urxvt
[16:16] <Gentoo64> larryone, well ctrl +c or v wont work in terminal for either
[16:16] <Gentoo64> you need to right click
[16:16] <Gentoo64> then copy or paste
[16:16] <Gentoo64> apart from that, no idea :s
[16:16] <larryone> i know - i do most of my stuff on terminal
[16:17] <deej1976> hatchetjack: Just updating system
[16:17] <larryone> but the menu items copy and paste on gnome terminal dont work
[16:17] <Gentoo64> maybe its a bug, somewhere. no idea
[16:17] <Gentoo64> :( sorry
[16:17] <larryone> and the highlight and middle-click clipboarding in my browser isnt working either
[16:17] <dawid> daw
[16:17] <larryone> so it's a problem that isnt tied to gnome-terminal
[16:18] <Gentoo64> maybe the de, or something. really hard for me to say
[16:18] <riffautae> larryone: xorg is in charge of the clipboard for the most part
[16:18] <shila> ciaoooo hellooo
[16:18] <larryone> riffautae, as i would expect
[16:18] <shila> !list
[16:18] <riffautae> larryone: there are 2, one text buffer and another just lets apps pass binary data
[16:18] <dawid> tis ist main 1 linux
[16:19] <dawid> hi
[16:19] <larryone> synergy teds to refer to them as clipboard0 and clipboard 1
[16:19] <deej1976> hatchetjack: Looks like aptitude install doesn't like libavformat-extra-52 libpostproc-extra-52  libswscale-extra-2, and wants to remove 126 others
[16:19] <Gentoo64> larryone, idk what synergy is but sounds like some other apps taking control of it
[16:19] <Gentoo64> or some de setting
[16:19] <riffautae> larryone: other then restarting X i cant figure out how to reset the clipboard
[16:19] <larryone> but it's not bring anything i copy form the windows synergy server to the linux client
[16:20] <larryone> synergy is a software kvm
[16:20] <deej1976> hatchetjack: sudo apt-get install devede, this just works though
[16:20] <larryone> but the problm persists after switching it off
[16:20] <RaTTuS|BIG> use synergy+ and it's a KM no V in it
[16:21] <larryone> damnit, dont want to have to resort to a microsoft type solution
[16:21] <larryone> RaTTuS|BIG, pedantic, but yes, you're right
[16:21] <deej1976> hatchetjack: I have no additional ppa's
[16:21] <slakcphil> i am still having trouble trying to figure out why my rsync backups to a usb3.0 external hdd are taking so long.
[16:21] <slakcphil> hdparm seems to read from the disk at 2660/mbps
[16:22] <larryone> restating the synergy server and client does nothing
[16:22] <RaTTuS|BIG> slakcphil - becase there is a lot of data to read and compare
[16:22] <Twinkletoes> I've followed a few docs but can't seem to configure nat'ing using ufw.  Is ufw worth it for simple firewall rules, or was it an experiment which flopped?
[16:23] <slakcphil> RaTTus|BIG, ok so like the 180gb .vmdk file is causing the bottleneck?
[16:23] <overdub> slakcphil: possibly slow write speed? this has been my experience with external hard drives
[16:24] <ochosi> anyone here up for testing a theme for Unity?
[16:24] <slakcphil> overdub, hhmm, do you know of any good testing utilities for the write speed?
[16:25] <overdub> slack-m_: hdparm might have that feature, or the specs for your drive
[16:25] <slakcphil> RaTTuS|BIG it may be the compare part? does it do estimating?(rsync)
[16:26] <overdub> slakcphil: i mean, have to keep an eye on tab complete with 1600 plus users in here
[16:26] <bbbbbbbb> can i use my laptop that's connected via ethernet only to create a wireless network i can use with my ipod?
[16:27] <RaTTuS|BIG> slakcphil hdparam -Tt /dev/sdwhatever
[16:27] <udonthavetoknow> does somebody know why people don't get my messages by using the facebook-plugin in pidgin? everything else is fine, i see people being online, going offline etc...
[16:27] <Sidewinder1> slakcphil, I would suspect that if you're verifying (crc or Md5sum type stuff) each and every file, it would think significantly longer.
[16:28] <j1mst1x> Before I flood the channel with questions about gnome shell troubleshooting questions is there a channel already setup for that?
[16:28] <Sidewinder1> think=take
[16:28] <Sidewinder1> Actually, I guess both would work. :D
[16:29] <slakcphil> RaTTuS|BIG, i have done that and it says 2660/mbps
[16:29] <slakcphil> Sidewinder1, do you think a script to use cp would be faster than rsync?
[16:29] <bbbbbbbb> question: can i set up my laptop that's connected via ethernet to create a wireless network i can use with my ipod?
[16:30] <Sidewinder1> slakcphil, I have no idea; I've never backed up with cp.
[16:31] <slakcphil> RaTTuS|BIG, that seems to be testing a read and not a write
[16:31] <RaTTuS|BIG> slakcphil - rsync will be fast than cp if oyu have any data on the destination drive
[16:31] <udonthavetoknow> does somebody know why people don't get my messages by using the facebook-plugin in pidgin? everything else is fine, i see people being online, going offline etc...
[16:31] <RaTTuS|BIG> yeah - read test I forget the wrote test param
[16:31] <RossDoughty> Hey all
[16:31] <slakcphil> RaTTuS|BIG, i will read tfm
[16:32] <leshaste> is there an easy way to install python 2.7 in lucid?
[16:32] <RaTTuS|BIG> but if ou are getting 2660  when nothign else is accessing the drive then the interface must be borked - try iot in a differnet slot
[16:32] <RaTTuS|BIG> back later
[16:32] <Sidewinder1> slakcphil, The only ways that I've backed-up is grsync (Gui front-end for rsync and would probably take longer than rsync) and tar..
[16:32] <slakcphil> that seems faster than 2.0 though
[16:32] <slakcphil> 450mbps = 2.0?
[16:34] <hroi> dpkg -l  claims that I have libhdf4-dev installed
[16:34] <hroi> but I cant find it under /usr/lib,   and I have run find on /usr+
[16:35] <llutz> hroi: dpkg -L libhdf4-dev
[16:35] <leshaste> https://launchpad.net/~n-muench/+archive/calibre-lucid maybe?
[16:36] <hroi> llutz: thanks, oddly, it is called libdf on my machine
[16:36] <hroi> llutz: libdf.so
[16:36] <crazytra> slakcphil, are you running any kind of compression with rsync?
[16:36] <codazoda> My machine is locking up on boot.  I noticed that if I add "nomodeset" to the grub options it boots fine.  What does this mean and how can I do it permanently?
[16:36] <slakcphil> crazytra, yes the -z switch
[16:36] <slakcphil> does that slow it down? it seems like it makes less to send and therefore faster
[16:36] <crazytra> try it without, and see if its any better.  sometimes the compression can be the bottleneck
[16:37] <slakcphil> hhmmm
[16:37] <morri> hi guys- any possibility on making windows mobile photos show ? Wanted to download photos from my partners mobile who unfortunately has a windoes based mobile..)
[16:37] <crazytra> well the cpu has t process it, and some files are already compressed--like the vmdk file may be
[16:37] <slakcphil> yeah just did anothter hdparm and the timing cached reads are 4648 MB in 2 seconds
[16:37] <slakcphil> timing buffered 408 MB in 3.01 seconds
[16:38] <slakcphil> what's the timing buffered
[16:38] <batlock> so I got this FUJI camera, ID 04cb:0246 Fuji Photo Film Co., Ltd   won't automount anymore, usually automounts to 'usb-ptp//'
[16:38] <batlock> need help
[16:39] <batlock> i went to take photos off of it yesterday and it worked the first time, then i unplugged it, took more photos, then went to take more off and .... wouldn't automount ... wouldn't mount period
[16:40] <brianherman> use a usb card reader batlock?
[16:40] <brianherman> it will be faster
[16:40] <slakcphil> batlock I am going to say look into udev (but i have never mounted a camera) do you see it in `fdisk -l`?
[16:40] <RaTTuS|BIG> batlock what does syslog have to say
[16:40] <batlock> no it's not in fdisk -l because it's not a 'local resource'
[16:40] <slakcphil> or lsusb?
[16:40] <batlock> lsusb shows ID 04cb:0246 Fuji Photo Film Co., Ltd
[16:41] <slakcphil> what about mount?
[16:41] <batlock> if it's not mounted...
[16:41] <overdub> batlock: maybe use ghoto2 for the ptp protocol?
[16:41] <batlock> yes it uses gphoto2
[16:41] <slakcphil> I don't know if yous should put something like that in fstab...
[16:41] <san__> hi
[16:42] <batlock> mmm also i'm using kde atm
[16:42] <batlock> well *kubuntu
[16:42] <llutz> batlock: digikam should work with ptp-devices too
[16:42] <batlock> you guys don't get it
[16:43] <batlock> normally i plug it in and it pops up on the desktop (dolphin opens to the root of the camera)
[16:43] <overdub> gphotofs might help
[16:43] <morri> anybody got an idea how to make windows phone media visible on lubuntu?
[16:43] <batlock> something happened yesterday
[16:43] <batlock> and now it won't do that
[16:43] <deej1976> !usb
[16:43] <deej1976> !resub
[16:43] <batlock> this is not a usb flash drive
[16:43] <slakcphil> what groups is your user in
[16:43] <llutz> batlock: check logs for events when you plugin the device
[16:44] <overdub> batlock: maybe it didn't unmount properly and thinks the camera is still mounted?
[16:44] <slakcphil> batlock: are you using the same user account?
[16:44] <deej1976> batlock: df -lk
[16:44] <MrCleanWithHair> Anyone have a moment to look at an awk script and see what the issue is?
[16:44] <batlock> df -lk does not show it
[16:44] <batlock> because it's not mounted
[16:45] <batlock> if it were mounted i could find it
[16:45] <batlock> second of all, it doesn't mount
[16:45] <batlock> it gphotos
[16:45] <batlock> when it works right that is
[16:45] <bbbbbbbb> i cant connect to wireless, i see "wireless is disabled by hardware switch". the only hw switch i know is a fn-hotkey that shows no reaction
[16:45] <crassus> I have this issue where whenever I try to view files in my http://localhost I get Forbidden error from apache. I'm thinking this is because of permissions problem in /var/www or something, but for the life of me I can't figure it out
[16:45] <batlock> also it says it's not a 'local resource'  << this is when it's WORKING
[16:45] <batlock> it's not a traditional USB and it sure as hell isn't a 'usb flash disk'
[16:46] <crassus> It's also for other apps not even in /var/www that use a port or whatever to serve files off of http://localhost
[16:46] <overdub> bbbbbbbb: are you on a Thinkpad?
[16:46] <newerthhero> hi how do i make ubuntu not ask me a password everytime i log in?
[16:46] <bbbbbbbb> overdub: no, a HP
[16:46] <crassus> Does anyone have a clue what exactly is preventing me from viewing localhost files? Is it an issue with /etc/hosts possibly?
[16:47] <overdub> bbbbbbbb: my thinkpad has a physical switch for on/off hardward wireless, don't know about HP
[16:47] <bbbbbbbb> overdub: i only have a fn+f12 hetkey, the led indicates its off. cant figure out how to switch it on
[16:47] <overdub> bbbbbbbb: might be disabled in BIOS?
[16:48] <llutz> crassus: /var/www/* has to readable by www-data, check your permissions
[16:48] <bbbbbbbb> *hotkey
[16:48] <crassus> llutz: anyway to view what permissions www-data has on /var/www/* ?
[16:48] <bbbbbbbb> overdub: don't think so, it worked in windows
[16:48] <crassus> is www-data user group or user btw?
[16:48] <llutz> crassus: ls -ld /var/www
[16:48] <batlock> http://paste.ubuntu.com/761801/  << when i plug it in
[16:49] <crazytra> bbbbbbbb, what model hp
[16:50] <bbbbbbbb> crazytra: HP pavilion g6-1032eg
[16:50] <NET||abuse> hi folks, i'm in a ind with a remote developer, so i was going to spin up an svn server, but he's got some weird circumstance where he can't upgrade from svn 1.5, due to some kind of insanity in his office
[16:50] <crassus> drwxr-xr-x 5 vercingetorix vercingetorix 4096 2011-11-07 22:27 /var/www
[16:50] <NET||abuse> not something i can fix for them.
[16:50] <crassus> those are the permissions llutz ... not seeing www-data there, does that mean it's missing?
[16:50] <NET||abuse> how can i get ubuntu server 11.10 to run on subversion 1.5?
[16:50] <crassus> aka/has no permissions?
[16:50] <llutz> !permissions | crassus
[16:50] <slakcphil> i know one thing, i like using linux for the same reason I like driving an old vw golf :)
[16:51] <slakcphil> fun to break, fun to fix
[16:51] <slakcphil> nicely engineered
[16:51] <crazytra> bbbbbbbb, itsounds silly, but some of the HPs have a wifi hotkey on the wifi led itself.  Theere is a capacitive button there....shot it in the dark lol
[16:51] <llutz> slakcphil: if my OS would cost me as much money as my golf3 does, i'd be win-user
[16:52] <RGUYASD> hail !!!!
[16:52] <bbbbbbbb> crazytra: nope, mine definitely doesn't. the LED is in the f12 key ^^
[16:52] <crassus> generally, in /var/www you want read and write for everyone right llutz ?
[16:52] <llutz> crassus: no, www-data
[16:53] <overdub> bbbbbbbb: did it work before and suddenly not?
[16:53] <llutz> crassus: /var/www/* has to _readable_ by www-data, it shouldn't be able to write there if it doesn't really need
[16:53] <bbbbbbbb> overdub: i haven't used it in quite some time and not at all on ubuntu. it did work a while ago on win7
[16:53] <batlock> So i have to now install more packages to fix something that was working yesterday?
[16:53] <llutz> has to be*
[16:53] <batlock> this blows
[16:53] <slakcphil> llutz, :)
[16:54] <bil21al> helo how to install adobe flash player for chromium  through terminal any suggession ?
[16:54] <overdub> bbbbbbbb: might be that there is no support yet for HP fn key, just a guess
[16:54] <bbbbbbbb> overdub: how would i enable it then?
[16:54] <deej1976> batlock: Have you reboot your computer/laptop since yesterday?
[16:54] <overdub> bbbbbbbb: i had this problem with debian, couldn't adjust screen brightness, was very annoying
[16:55] <batlock> deej1976, yes, like eight times cause this shit keeps breaking
[16:55] <batlock> i can't resize windows without it freezing
[16:55] <batlock> and several other problems
[16:55] <bbbbbbbb> overdub: the other hotkeys work fine
[16:55] <batlock> but THIS SHOULD JUST WORK
[16:55] <overdub> bbbbbbbb: probably not that then, i'm out of suggestions, good luck
[16:55] <batlock> there we go
[16:55] <deej1976> batlock: Ok, I hadn't seen unreply since you should the pastebin
[16:55] <batlock> i install digikam and it fuggin works
[16:55] <leshaste> can anyone tell me why http://pastebin.com/sRyabMgJ gives me IndexError: pop from empty list
[16:56] <bbbbbbbb> overdub: i don't know, i remember that at the beginning the wifi was always on. i might have switched it off, but i don't rememeber where -.- any idea? ^^
[16:56] <batlock> deej1976, tis okay
[16:56] <batlock> it works now i think
[16:56] <batlock> ok dolphin how do i make it look like nautilus
[16:56] <batlock> ?
[16:56] <batlock> like the folderlist on the left doesn't have anything useful
[16:56] <overdub> bbbbbbbb: on my thinkpad, if I boot up with the wifi switch off, turning it on after Ubuntu is running doesn't activate it
[16:56] <leshaste> me apologises..wrong channel
[16:57] <MadsRC> Does anyone know if there is some kind of software in the official repositories that can create a multisystem USB pendrive?
[16:57] <batlock> maybe it's just the KDE bs
[16:57] <batlock> fuggin it all up
[16:57] <dr_willis> MadsRC:  depends on what you need to do. You can set up grub2 to boot differnt ISO files from a flash.
[16:57] <dr_willis> MadsRC:  the pendrivelinux site also may have tools or guides.
[16:58] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/multiboot-create-a-multiboot-usb-from-linux/ <- may help
[16:58] <bbbbbbbb> i believe i switched it off in ubuntu, so it must be able to be enabled here. somewhere.
[16:59] <MadsRC> Rattus, already found that. Just don't like installing from outside the repositories
[16:59] <raven> how to share main display by tightvncserver (:0) in 11.10
[16:59] <overdub> bbbbbbbb: maybe it was off during boot up, and the driver for your wifi didn't get loaded, I'd try rebooting with the wifi on
[17:00] <crassus> what group should own /var/www llutz
[17:00] <northwest> Hi everyone i'm new and i have a question....what does it mean when you have a "kernel panic"?
[17:00] <crassus> I have it currently set to www-data
[17:00] <bbbbbbbb> overdub: okay, i'll try that later
[17:00] <deej1976> crassus: www-data
[17:00] <llutz> crassus: should be fine
[17:00] <crassus> but permissions 777 is not alright I bet...apache is still showing forbidden 403 error, is this due to a problem with apache's config maybe?
[17:00] <dr_willis> raven use vino, or x11vnc
[17:01] <raven> dr_willis, how to activate vino in 11.10
[17:01] <dr_willis> !vino
[17:01] <deej1976> crassus: sudo apache2ctrl configtest
[17:01] <weqw> problem, Ubuntu 10.04 screen goes black while using the machine and flashes, restarting GDM does NOT help have to reboot entire machine
[17:01] <weqw> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01)
[17:02] <JerryNJ> i need some help w rdesktop with ubuntu lucid - I get a black mouse pointer when i connect to a W2008 R2 server
[17:02] <JerryNJ> I need some advice or suggestions please
[17:02] <VGA|Toast> try adjusting color depth?
[17:03] <crassus> deej1976: results: http://pastebin.com/PZnak0J0
[17:03] <crassus> is it a problem if apache can't resolve domain name like that?
[17:03] <VGA|Toast> hey I dont use rdesktop, try "Terminal Server Client" instead you might like it better
[17:03] <crassus> it's just a local box with no domain, but shouldn't it resolve to localhost...
[17:04] <VGA|Toast> check /etc/resolv.conf
[17:04] <VGA|Toast> check /etc/resolv.conf <IP_ADDRESS> localhost should be the first line
[17:04] <VGA|Toast> "<IP_ADDRESS> localhost"
[17:04] <raven> dr_willis, how to activate vino in 11.10
[17:05] <dr_willis> raven:  its built in as far as i know.
[17:05] <slakcphil> does anyone know if junipers nework connect 6.5.0 would work in linux? I know some of their previous versions worked with ubuntu...
[17:05] <dr_willis> raven:  its what gnomes 'share this desktop...' uses.  i never use that feature. I never want to share the current desktop
[17:05] <slakcphil> it's my main reason for having a copy of windows atm
[17:06] <crassus> ah, and that was missing actually VGA|Toast, I added it in and am restarting apache
[17:06] <raven> dr_willis, obviously it is not by any known name or hint in the prefs/configs menu
[17:06] <slakcphil> it has the hostchecker.exe to I am skepticle if wine would manage
[17:06] <VGA|Toast> anyone know why the display on 10.04 is flashing randomly with intel chipsets?
[17:06] <VGA|Toast> black screen of death
[17:07] <JerryNJ> i think there is an issue with rdesktop and W2008r2 with the black pointer
[17:07] <JerryNJ> i just need a workaround
[17:07] <VGA|Toast> yes
[17:07] <VGA|Toast> use Terminal Services CLient instead
[17:08] <crassus> well, now I have localhost in the /etc/resolv.conf file, but I'm still forbidden...my permissions on /var/www: drwxrwxrwx 5 www-data www-data 4096 2011-12-06 11:05 .
[17:08] <VGA|Toast> use Terminal Services Client instead
[17:08] <llutz> VGA|Toast: /etc/resolv.conf  defines dns-nameservers not hosts.
[17:08] <slakcphil> raven, I use tightvncserver in 10.10 server with `tightvncserver  -nolisten tcp :1` and it works good
[17:08] <llutz> crassus: /etc/hosts has to contain at least: <IP_ADDRESS> localhost
[17:09] <crassus> yeah I made sure about that llutz
[17:09] <VGA|Toast> yeah realvnc /tightvnc, whatever vnc will work
[17:09] <crassus> I've got ::1 pointing to localhost for ipv6 to be safe too :3
[17:10] <JerryNJ> how do you use the Terminal Services Client?
[17:10] <VGA|Toast> hmm I think thats only on Debian
[17:10] <crassus> if I uninstall and reinstall apache, will the configs stay the same?
[17:10] <dr_willis> !info x11vn
[17:10] <crassus> I'm thinking of wiping it all away and starting fresh
[17:10] <dr_willis> !info x11vnc
[17:11] <slakcphil> raven, it starts up at gnome login screen on :0 and I haven't been able to access it directly, i instead get a session on :1 that seems just like a terminal server session, I want to know how to connect to the :0 display the same way
[17:11] <VGA|Toast> I think the terminal services client I use is on Debian and not Ubuntu repos
[17:11] <slakcphil> VGA|Toast^^
[17:11] <slakcphil> for the question
[17:12] <HQRaja> Is there a way to enable hotspot mode from the connections menu in the top bar directly, without having to go all the way into Networks? Either from the top bar directly, or with some shortcut that I can perhaps add to the left launcher bar, or some short command alias I could type in the terminal?
[17:14] <dr_willis> hotspot mode = ad hoc network?
[17:14] <HQRaja> dr_willis: Nope not ad-hoc. I'm talking about the built-in option that lets us use our computer as a Wi-Fi hotspot
[17:15] <udonthavetoknow> does somebody know why my friends don't get a message when i'm using pidgin/the pidgin facebook-plugin? i see them going on and offline and i'm able to recieve messages, but not to send them successfully.
[17:15] <HQRaja> It's for those of us who want to share their Ubuntu PC's internet connection (wired or as in my case, USB dongle) with their other devices
[17:16] <dr_willis> udonthavetoknow:  just a guess.. but i would bet its facebook changeing their api, or other changes that broke the feature.
[17:16] <dr_willis> HQRaja:  sounds like 'internet connection shareing' to me. :)
[17:16] <dr_willis> !ics
[17:16] <HQRaja> dr_willis: Yeah it is basically that.
[17:17] <ks07> Can anyone recommend the easiest to use command line partition editor/manager? The closer to gparted the better :P
[17:17] <dr_willis> fdisk is very easy to use.. if you know what you want. :)
[17:17] <slakcphil> udonthavetoknow, you may be able to run it froma tterminal and see if you can get some messages dumped to stdout while you are sending
[17:17] <udonthavetoknow> dr_willis: yeah i've also already thought of that... unfortunaley i don't know anbody else who is using the plugin/pidgin at all...
[17:17] <dr_willis> ks07:  there is 'parted'   gparted is a gui to parted
[17:17] <llutz> ks07: parted
[17:17] <JerryNJ> tsclient has the same black pointer
[17:18] <dr_willis> udonthavetoknow:  check the pidgon homepage/forums or ubuntu forums or askubuntu.com
[17:18] <ks07> parted it is, ty
[17:18] <HQRaja> dr_willis: I know how to do it...in fact it's working perfectly fine. I'm just looking for a way to be able to turn it on and off more easily. Right now, I have to go to System Settings > Network > Wireless and click 'Use as Hotspot' to enable it.
[17:18] <dr_willis> fdisk i thinkis getting a little out of date.
[17:18] <udonthavetoknow> dr_willis: i will, thanks
[17:18] <HQRaja> I'm looking for a way to enable it without all this navigation...using some shortcut I could add to the launcher preferably, or a command I could enter in the terminal or in GNOME Do
[17:18] <llutz> dr_willis: time for a change. fdisk -> parted, ifconfig -> ip etc.pp
[17:19] <dr_willis> HQRaja:  no idea.  most likely its running some script or set of commands.. but i dont use the feature any more.
[17:19] <dr_willis> llutz:  what next will they add a N to umount? :)
[17:19] <HQRaja> dr_willis: Well not a problem :)
[17:20] <llutz> dr_willis: Don't you dare!
[17:20] <HQRaja> So, anyone else?
[17:20] <HQRaja> I need to use this feature a lot (basically every time I turn on my computer, because I share its internet connection with my Android phone using this method) and having to turn it on by all this navigation is a hassle
[17:20] <dr_willis> had someone here just the otehr day using 'unmount /media/foo' :)
[17:21] <HQRaja> Coming from Windows, I had a batch file in my startup folder, which executed the necessary commands on system startup to accomplish this automatically, or I could just run that batch file directly to do this
[17:21] <llutz> dr_willis: unix logic, mount to mount, umount to unmount
[17:21] <HQRaja> All it took was a double-click
, /usr/bin/pidgin -d
[17:21] <dr_willis> HQRaja:  im suprised it dosent stay one once you enable it.
[17:21] <VGA|Toast> AP Mode = Master Mode
[17:21] <VGA|Toast> MASTER MODE
[17:21] <HQRaja> dr_willis: It does stay on once I have enabled it...just not after reboot.
[17:22] <dr_willis> HQRaja:  check that !ics guide. it may give a clue.  or check askubuntu  would be my advice.
 that may help you if you can catch it or output it to a file and search for the error
[17:22] <dr_willis> HQRaja:  im suprised it dosent stay on after a reboot.
[17:22] <HQRaja> dr_willis: Alright, let me try that
[17:22] <slakcphil> /usr/bin/pidgin -d > fileforouput
[17:22] <HQRaja> dr_willis: Nah after reboot, it doesn't stay on on pretty much any operating system (doesn't on Android or Windows 7 for sure)
[17:22] <udonthavetoknow> slakcphil: oh thanks buddy, i'll do that
[17:23] <NET||abuse> hi folks, i need to install a server with subversion 1.5, how do i add a source that can give me that version?
[17:23] <batlock> so in 11.04 completely removing unity and replacing it with gnome is how hard?
[17:23] <batlock> cause 'ubuntu classic' isn't different than 'ubuntu'
[17:23] <batlock> here
[17:24] <HQRaja> batlock: No idea about 11.04 but it seemed quite easy on 11.10
[17:24] <batlock> cool
[17:24] <llutz> btw, would a 11.10 installed on a BIOS-system still boot on a new board with UEFI? does grub2 have uefi-support?
[17:24] <batlock> wonder why they even put it on there
[17:24] <batlock> considering how many people hated it in 11.04 they kept it why?
[17:24] <batlock> it's a retarded ui, i like being able to customize my panel
[17:24] <HQRaja> Well, it was a start in 11.04...it will only evolve further
[17:25] <batlock> as does most of the populus i figure
[17:25] <HQRaja> BTW it's better than GNOME Shell, in my opinion.
[17:25] <HQRaja> GNOME Shell doesn't even give you a panel on desktop
[17:25] <mneptok> llutz: yes, UEFI works. but you'll have to prep the disk for UEFI use even using it on a BIOS system
[17:25] <batlock> which is why you use gnome-panel
[17:26] <HQRaja> I've set my panel to auto-hide in Unity and installed Docky as well as GNOME Do, and I'm loving the setup, with Unity
[17:26] <llutz> mneptok: any links/howtos off hand?
[17:26] <batlock> yea
[17:26] <batlock> i like being able to compiz cube
[17:26] <HQRaja> Oh you can enable the cube too...just use that compiz customization thingy
[17:27] <HQRaja> (dont recall the name..new to ubuntu)
[17:27] <MonkeyDust> i very soon got tired of the cube
[17:27] <batlock> tried
[17:27] <batlock> won't work with unity
[17:27]  * dr_willis perfers that the cube stays frogotten..
[17:27] <batlock> at least not here
[17:27] <HQRaja> I've never used the cube BTW
[17:27] <batlock> i lose my titlebars
[17:27] <dr_willis> theres some guides on ombubuntu or webupd8 on setting up the cube in unity
[17:27] <dr_willis> batlock:  thats compiz crashing...
[17:27] <HQRaja> batlock: If you are on 11.04, there will be issues that wont be there in 11.10. 11.04 had the earlier version of unity that wasn't too mature
[17:28] <dr_willis> The Cube is the kind of thingk you  show off to your windows friends.. then disable it when they leave....
[17:28] <batlock> yea, i've had this issue with all of 11
[17:28] <batlock> 11.04 and .10
[17:28] <mneptok> llutz: just make sure to create a 100MB (or so) FAT32 partition and manually mount it to /boot/efi when installing on a BIOS/legacy system. if you move to UEFI, install grub2-efi and run grub-install and update-grub afterwards.
[17:28] <HQRaja> Heck, installing Gnome Shell itself was a hassle in 11.04
[17:28] <batlock> so it's not just a .04 issue
[17:28] <dr_willis> its a 'unity and the cube dont play well together' issue. :)
[17:29] <llutz> mneptok: thanks, seems easy
[17:29] <HQRaja> BTW might I suggest Mint, if you're looking for ubuntu sans unity without compromise on everything else offered by ubuntu?
[17:29] <mneptok> llutz: 'tis
[17:29] <HQRaja> I personally don't like GNOME Shell at all for one primary reason (amongst a few secondary ones) : INSANE amount of screen real estate wasted in every window's top region
[17:30] <HQRaja> Just plain wasted, by deciding not to integrate the menu bar into the top bar, and leaving the top bar kinda empty with just the current app's title...and yet the title appears in every window's top region too!
[17:30] <dr_willis> Global menu can be added to gnome-shell
[17:30] <HQRaja> That was just a retarded decision by those who designed Gnome Shell
[17:31] <mneptok> let's not get on "_____ UI sucks because ______" offtopicness, shall we?
[17:31] <HQRaja> dr_willis: Oh OK...still, most users prefer a good UI out of the box
[17:31] <fishcooker> myrtii, are u there...how to make 11.10 tone xfce like yours?
[17:31] <magpii> can someone tell me the best ubuntu software to use for radio music braodcasting please?
[17:31] <HQRaja> mneptok: Heh alright
[17:31] <dr_willis> !info icecast
[17:31] <BluesKaj> !broadcast
[17:31] <MonkeyDust> magpii  i use radiotray
[17:31] <hwilde> !shoutcast
[17:31] <HQRaja> !info shoutcast
[17:32] <HQRaja> !info broadcast
[17:32] <hwilde> meh.
[17:32] <Myrtti> fishcooker: 11.10 tone xfce?! what do you mean
[17:32] <dr_willis> magpii:  you mean to stream music to others?
[17:32] <fishcooker> myrtii seems dead :p anyone go with xfce how to get xfce substitute the unity things?
[17:33] <dr_willis> fishcooker:  thats a little.. vague..
[17:33] <magpii> to be able to stream my music online
[17:33] <mneptok> magpii: stream to .... ?
[17:33] <magpii> my website
[17:33] <MonkeyDust> magpii  repeat, radiotray, a small applet
[17:33] <dr_willis> magpii:   use some of the shoutcast streaming apps perhaps.  depends onw hat the clients are going to be using.
[17:33] <mneptok> magpii: you need to be much more specific.
[17:33] <MonkeyDust> ah, to a website
[17:33] <hwilde> the answer, is, shoutcast.
[17:34] <batlock> can someone explain this?
[17:34] <batlock> http://pastebin.com/760MpQ52
[17:34] <magpii> on windows i had some software that streamed my music playlist through a free online server and then a player on my website for people to tune into, if that makes any more sense
[17:35] <HQRaja> OK so I've searched on askubuntu and looked at the ics page but still can't find it...though I'm sure there's *got* to be a way to do it.
[17:35] <HQRaja> :(
[17:35] <evgen24> опа
[17:35] <seanbright> is this the forum for gtk questions?  i'm writing a test app and am having some strangeness with oneiric
[17:35] <evgen24> че там дрочите?
[17:36] <MonkeyDust> !ru| evgen24
[17:36] <fishcooker> why dr_willis
[17:36] <HQRaja> Has anyone else ever thought of it? Enabling the "Use as Hotspot" feature in System Settings > Networks > Wireless, using some shortcut?
[17:36] <pikaciu> sorry for the silly question... a LAMP server can be used only on the local network ?
[17:36] <fishcooker> i want to remove unity things with xfce
[17:37] <riffautae> seanbright: if you think the gtk in ubuntu is messed up yes, other wise #programming or something might be better
[17:37] <MonkeyDust> !nounity| fishcooker
[17:37] <fishcooker> how to make it true
[17:37] <mneptok> fishcooker: XFCE does not use Unity. neither does Xubuntu.
[17:37] <HQRaja> fishcooker: If you get xubuntu, you don't get unity at all...and you get xfce
[17:37] <riffautae> pikaciu: you can use the LAMP software stack to serve public web pages if thats what you are asking
[17:37] <batlock> can someone explain why when i run gnome-wm --replace it tells me to use the --replace option?
[17:37] <pikaciu> tx
[17:37] <fishcooker> i don't like ubuntu "apple like" style
[17:37] <seanbright> riffautae: i am using GtkCssProvider to try and change the appearance of a widget with the code at http://kalmbach.wordpress.com/2011/03/12/gtk-3-0-client-side-theme/
[17:38] <seanbright> riffautae: oh, i may have misinterprted what you said
[17:38] <batlock> !wm
[17:38] <batlock> oh that's right
[17:39] <batlock> oh that's right
[17:39] <batlock> !wm
[17:39] <XDS2010> how can i install ubuntu to a second blank ext2 partition from a livecd ?
[17:39] <hsmod>  anyone know how i can load megaraid_sas driver when i pxe boot a livecd? (maverick or natty)
[17:39] <XDS2010> i searched around and couldn't find anything definitive
[17:39] <hsmod> or just in general once i boot up a livecd, how do i get megaraid drivers to load
[17:39] <Myrtti> !xubuntu | fishcooker
[17:39] <batlock> !gnome
[17:39] <dubbe> !linuxmint
[17:39] <fishcooker> !classic
[17:40] <MonkeyDust> !mint| dubbe
[17:40] <XDS2010> how can i install ubuntu to a second blank ext2 partition from a livecd ?
[17:41] <batlock> yea ubottu, too bad clicking 'ubuntu classic' still gives me unity
[17:41] <dubbe> ty MokeyDust
[17:41] <MonkeyDust> batlock  you can install a 'fallback' package from synaptic
[17:41] <XDS2010> I have windows xp on the first NTFS partition and dont mind formating the second ext partition to ntfs but i want to be able to dual boot, and set all this up from a liveCD
[17:42] <batlock> I just want non unity, 3d and compiz
[17:42] <dubbe> batlock: install mate?
[17:42] <XDS2010> batlock:  agreed unuty sucks
[17:42] <overdub> batlock: i did apt-get install kde-full and never looked back, your mileage may vary
[17:42] <MonkeyDust> !rant
[17:43] <batlock> overdub, yea, i did that too.
[17:43] <hylian> for some reason every time i boot xfce's audio is muted.
[17:43] <XDS2010> all in favor of ditching unity say I
[17:43] <batlock> but i've looked back when i found dolphin lacking in user-friendliness
[17:43] <Myrtti> !offtopic
[17:43] <XDS2010> I
[17:43] <hylian> XDS2010, I (switched to xfce)
[17:43] <batlock> :I  i'm asking for ubuntu related support, as well as discussing ubuntu related issues
[17:43] <XDS2010> +1
[17:44] <batlock> if that's off topic
[17:44] <batlock> then wtf?
[17:45] <Soneek> hey guys, i am kinda new to irc, can u tell me where i can talk to ppl not about ubuntu? hate new distro btw :)
[17:45] <batlock> lol
[17:45] <Pici> batlock: This channel is for support only. If you want to have a duscussion, use #ubuntu-offtopi
[17:45] <Pici> batlock: This channel is for support only. If you want to have a duscussion, use #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:45] <Myrtti> please keep the discussion to support issues only, the rest can be talked in #ubuntu-offtopic. This is the biggest channel in freenode and keeping this channel to support only makes giving and receiving help easier for those who are not so well versed in IRC.
[17:45] <batlock> so asking for help is now forbidden in here?
[17:45] <batlock> cause that's what i'm doing
[17:45] <batlock> asking for ubuntu help
[17:45] <batlock> specifically, how do i remove unity completely and go to gnome
[17:46] <hylian> Soneek, actually, there are tonnes of places. ##club-ubuntu is a any topic chat room, with people who use ubuntu, not a tech room like this. just a suggestion
[17:46] <batlock> but i get hit with !offtopic
[17:46] <Pici> batlock: "discussing ubuntu related issues" would be discussion, not asking for ubuntu related support. You just said that.
[17:46] <Pici> batlock: But as you can see, this channel is very busy, so we try to keep all discussion in another channel so that people can get help here without all sorts of other noise.
[17:46]  * batlock wasn't aware that describing the issues i have so they can be remedied was 'discussion that's off topic chat'
[17:47] <dr_willis> !brainstorm
[17:47] <MonkeyDust> batlock  kindly join #ubuntu-offtopic if you want to discuss
[17:47] <batlock> I'M ASKING FOR HELP
[17:48] <batlock> I'M NOT DISCUSSING
[17:48]  * dr_willis missed the actual support question
[17:48] <hylian> batlock, didn't catch your question, what was it again?
[17:48] <batlock> geez you guys are worse with your 'take it to #offtopic' than anyone else is with their banter
[17:48] <i_is_broke> he wants no unity. just gnome
[17:48] <batlock> hylian, trying to completely remove unity
[17:48] <batlock> not 'switch sessions'
[17:49] <dr_willis> what do you want to use instead?
[17:49] <hylian> batlock, my suggestion would be to first install gnome, or whatever else you would like, have you done that?
[17:49] <fishcooker> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop, batlock
[17:49] <Pici> fishcooker: That is not helpful.
[17:49] <MonkeyDust> !nounity| batlock (repeated)
[17:49] <batlock> the following packages will be installed
[17:49] <batlock> unity
[17:49] <batlock>   unity-asset-pool unity-common unity-place-applications unity-place-files
[17:49] <batlock> why
[17:49] <fishcooker> !nounity|batlock
[17:49] <FloodBot1> batlock: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:49] <batlock> NO
[17:50] <Pici> fishcooker: Please stop. You are not being helpful.
[17:50] <batlock> E: Package 'gnome-shell' has no installation candidate
[17:50] <dr_willis> batlock:  so what do you want to use instead of unity? thats the core bit of info we need.
[17:50] <batlock> gnome
[17:50] <Pici> batlock: What release of Ubuntu are you using?
[17:50] <batlock> 11.04
[17:50] <batlock> Linux mikah-laptop 2.6.38-12-generic-pae #51-Ubuntu SMP Wed Sep 28 16:11:32 UTC 2011 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
[17:50] <Myrtti> batlock: installing gnome-shell for that is asking for trouble :-/
[17:51] <MonkeyDust> batlock  maybe you should consider a fresh install, it may be easier
[17:51] <dr_willis> 11.10 has gnome shell in the repositories.. its not availiable in 11.04 without breakage.  last i looked 11.04 had the old gnome 2 desktop in it.
[17:51] <batlock> a fresh install of unity
[17:51] <batlock> just what i don't want
[17:51] <Pici> batlock: Did the instruction for !classic not help?
[17:51] <MonkeyDust> batlock  or a different ubuntu fork
[17:51] <batlock> again, ubuntu classic is the same as ubuntu
[17:51] <dubbe> batlock: why not another distribution? linux-mint is kinda gnome but with gnome-shell
[17:51] <batlock> both unity
[17:51] <batlock> because i don't want to use a different distro
[17:52] <dr_willis> last i looked on 11.04 the classic was not unity.
[17:52] <batlock> i like(d) ubuntu
[17:52] <batlock> last i logged in
[17:52] <batlock> it was
[17:52] <dr_willis> sounds to me like it started unity instead.
[17:52] <MonkeyDust> batlock  xubuntu is gnome-like
[17:52] <batlock> no
[17:52] <Pici> MonkeyDust: He wants to use gnome 2.
[17:52] <MonkeyDust> ah
[17:53] <batlock> well, i haven't really seen gnome3
[17:53] <batlock> what's that like
[17:53] <mneptok> GNOME 2 is no longer a viable long-term option on any distro.
[17:53] <KrisDouglas> I'll be honest, if you wish to use gnome 2, have a look at Linux Mint.
[17:53] <dubbe> then i suggest again, install mate (it is a fork of gnome2 and mantained)
[17:53] <KrisDouglas> gnome 3 is... different.
[17:53] <MonkeyDust> MATE in Linux Mint looks like gnome 2
[17:53] <batlock> how different
[17:53] <iceroot> KrisDouglas: linux mint does not have gnome2
[17:53] <iceroot> KrisDouglas: every distro will remove gnome2
[17:53] <hylian> batlock, i personally suggest installing the xubuntu packages. xfce 4 looks and acts a lot like gnome 2.
[17:53] <pdq> batlock, classic in 11.04 doesn't use unity, no unity dash and no unity launcher and no unity top panel uses gnome 2 panel
[17:53] <overdub> batlock: it's designed for a one track mind
[17:53] <dubbe> iceroot: linux mint has mate installed as default
[17:54] <iceroot> dubbe: mate is not gnome2
[17:54] <Pici> UGh
[17:54] <batlock> but on MY MACHINE classic DOES have the unity panel
[17:54] <iceroot> dubbe: mate will not get security updates so mate is a bad option
[17:54]  * sipior goes for popcorn
[17:54] <MonkeyDust> iceroot  correct, but it looks like gnome2
[17:54] <dubbe> iceroot: gnome2 won't get any updates at all :)
[17:54] <iceroot> MonkeyDust: looks like != is
[17:54] <KrisDouglas> iceroot, that's not the point. It just works like Gnome 2
[17:54] <iceroot> dubbe: correct
[17:54] <Pici> batlock: I'm trying to find the config file that stores what starts up from GDM, one moment.
[17:54] <MonkeyDust> iceroot  i agree
[17:54] <LjL> ok can we move this to #ubuntu-offtopic now?
[17:54] <batlock> i don't want xfce, i don't want linux mint, i just want ubuntu 11.xx that looks like 10.xx
[17:54] <iceroot> KrisDouglas: then use ubuntu 11.04 which have gnome2 if you dont want security-updates in the next years
[17:55] <Myrtti> ok, most of you aren't actually helpful at all
[17:55] <iceroot> batlock: there is no gnome2 anymore
[17:55] <sipior> batlock: i'm afraid you're out of luck.
[17:55] <mneptok> batlock: you don't always get what you want.
[17:55] <sipior> mneptok: but if you try sometimes...
[17:55] <batlock> well with ubuntu that's apparent
[17:55] <Resistance> batlock:  with any OS that's the case.
[17:55] <batlock> i just can't figure out why when i run gnome-wm --replace i get a message that tells me to use the --replace option
[17:56] <Resistance> batlock:  you'll run into that wwherever yo ugo
[17:56] <mneptok> sipior: can i be Keith? i like Brian Jones' hair, but i'm too good a swimmer.
[17:56] <KrisDouglas> iceroot, I think you missed my point.
[17:56] <pdq> he is using 11.04 so classic gnome2 should be there
[17:56] <iceroot> KrisDouglas: the point is, gnome2 is no longer supported from the gnome-project so you dont get security updates
[17:56] <Myrtti> guise, please take the chitchat to #ubuntu-offtopic - the problem is being solved without this metadiscussion over what is the future of Gnome
[17:56] <dr_willis> pdq:  sounds like his clasic is also launching unity.
[17:57] <batlock> OK, if gnome3 will actually display all the system tray icons i open, and allow me to customize the top bar panel, i'll gladly use that
[17:57] <pdq> right and thats a support question i think if thats the issue
[17:57] <KrisDouglas> iceroot, i never said use gnome 2???
[17:57] <dubbe> batlock: nope
[17:57] <batlock> dr_willis, yea it is because i've fiddled with this machine sooo much
[17:57] <MonkeyDust> batlock  great, but that's for #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:57] <batlock> MonkeyDust, what is
[17:58] <mneptok> batlock: you could try creating a new user, and see if the issue persists with a new account.
[17:58] <overdub> batlock: ubuntu configuration apparently
[17:58] <batlock> overdub, iknow right?
[17:59] <Braber01> is there a utility/command to convert Linux text documents into Windows Text documents I Can't remember the name of that command
[17:59] <dr_willis> batlock:  as a test.. make a new user. see if the classic desktop is unity, or the old one i guess...
[17:59] <LjL> Braber01: unix2dos is one
[17:59] <dr_willis> Braber01:  dozens of ways to do it. :)
[17:59] <Braber01> LjL thanks that's the one i was looking for :)
[18:01] <speedxcore> Hi I'm looking for a guide to versioning filesystems that works with ubuntu. Any ideas?
[18:02] <dr_willis> speedxcore:  any time i hear people mention specilized filesystems.. i always think to look at the 'fuse' project and its fs's
[18:02] <dr_willis> !fuse
[18:03] <speedxcore> dr_willis: I will check that out. Thank you
[18:04] <dr_willis> fuse is just a handy tool
[18:04] <batlock> well looks like i'm dist upgrading
[18:05] <batlock> ty guise
[18:05] <hatchetjack> deej1976: ppa?
[18:06] <HQRaja> Does anyone know how to enable the "Use as Hotspot" feature from desktop/launcher/command line without having to go to System Settings > Networks > Wireless?
[18:07] <hylian> for some reason every time i boot xfce's audio is muted.
[18:07] <dubbe> i am having problems with updating a vpn-connection in ubuntu 11.10 (gnome-shell), does anyone know?
[18:08] <pepee> really, wtf ubuntu. another regression: APM level gets reset to 128 after suspend/resume
[18:08] <x_> hylian, add something like amixer sset master 100 to your startup
[18:08] <pepee> this says it was fixed in Hardy... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerManagement#A8.04_.28Hardy.29
[18:09] <Pici> pepee: File a bug then.
[18:09] <hsmod> or just in general once i boot up a livecd, how do i get megaraid drivers to load
[18:09] <mneptok> HQRaja: try looking at syslog as you enable/disable ICS
[18:10] <HQRaja> mneptok: I doubt if I'd be able to figure much out of that...consider me a beginner
[18:10] <pepee> picca, nah, I'm lazy
[18:10] <Pici> pepee: Then do not complain here.
[18:10] <mneptok> HQRaja: well, i do not use the feature, so i cannot do the lifting for you.
[18:10] <HQRaja> mneptok: Not a problem :)
[18:11] <HQRaja> So, anyone else?
[18:11] <BluesKaj>  tried some git versions of apps , but cmake doesn't come with ./configure files anymore so I get "no target" errors when I run "make" . I don't have a lot of experience compiling from source, but I no longer know what to do about this problem. afaik I have all the right apps/libs installed: git, build-essential, make , cmake and mercurial. So, what am I missing or not doing correctly?
[18:11] <pepee> Pici, tell me, where are the ubuntu devs?
[18:11] <mneptok> pepee: reading bug reports on Launchpad
[18:11] <pepee> lol
[18:12] <pepee> poor of them
[18:12] <HQRaja> Well I guess I'll just periodically (like after 5-10 minutes) repeat my question and hope someone who knows the answer sees it
[18:13] <mneptok> HQRaja: 20-30 minute intervals, please
[18:13] <HQRaja> mneptok: Heh alright
[18:13] <pepee> does anyone have the same problem? APM resetting to 128 after suspend/resume
[18:13] <BluesKaj> mneptok, who set that rule ?
[18:13] <mneptok> pepee: file a bug on Launchpad and find out.
[18:13] <HQRaja> Let's make it somewhere in the middle...~15 minutes please?
[18:13] <HQRaja> :D
[18:13] <mneptok> BluesKaj: it's not a rule. it's a request.
[18:14] <BluesKaj> by you
[18:14] <mneptok> BluesKaj: very observant.
[18:14] <HQRaja> No it's fine really :)
[18:14] <BluesKaj> not by the channel ops , mneptok
[18:14] <mneptok> !repeat
[18:14] <HQRaja> Frequently repeated question would annoy many...
[18:14] <mneptok> BluesKaj: uhhh ...
[18:16] <BluesKaj> uhh for sure
[18:16] <Pici> BluesKaj: mneptok has been a channel op for as long as I can remember.
[18:16] <dr_willis> be sure to check the forums and askubuntu in btween. :)
[18:16] <mneptok> BluesKaj: feel free to discuss this with me in #ubuntu-ops if you feel my request was out of line
[18:17] <HQRaja> dr_willis: Did that...googled a lot...maybe I'm just not that good at Googling...couldn't find a solution
[18:18] <Phr3d13> What are the requirements for being a channel op?
[18:18] <XDS2010> I want ubuntu to go back to gnome by default
[18:18] <XDS2010> I don't like unity at all
[18:18] <HQRaja> XDS2010: Ubuntu is using Gnome...just not Gnome-Shell
[18:18] <Phr3d13> I wanna know if I qualify
[18:18] <auronandace> XDS2010: don't use unity then
[18:18] <Myrtti> XDS2010: you're welcome to discuss that wish in #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:18] <dr_willis> Gnome2 is dead.. time to move on.
[18:19] <oCean> !canibeanop > Phr3d13
[18:19] <XDS2010> Why is gnome dead ?
[18:19] <dr_willis> Gnome-shell is developing at a nice pace  just saw this site today ---> https://extensions.gnome.org/
[18:19] <dr_willis> XDS2010:  gnome 2 is dead.. thd gnome devs decided to stop supporting it.
[18:19] <HQRaja> Yup the extensions look good
[18:19] <Myrtti> XDS2010: Gnome2 is, not Gnome.
[18:19] <dr_willis> gnome3 is the future.
[18:19] <HQRaja> Though you can install them directly from the site only if you are using Firefox
[18:20] <lousygarua> i'm running 10.10 on HP dv6000 and i'm having issues with my laptop's fan running too fast. i haven't managed to pinpoint when does that happen but maybe someone can offer me a few commands that will help me debug this.
[18:20] <XDS2010> why is gnome2 dead ?
[18:20] <HQRaja> Which sucks for me because I use Chrome
[18:20] <oCean> XDS2010: this is not the appropriate channel to discuss that
[18:20] <XDS2010> then why did you say gnome is dead ?
[18:20] <dr_willis> HQRaja:  havent really noticed.. :) im on an actual ubuntu desktop like 1 days out of the week.
[18:20] <auronandace> !gnome2 | XDS2010
[18:20] <andycc> XDS2010: let's take this conversation to #ubuntu-offtopic, shall we?
[18:20] <dr_willis> XDS2010:  'gnome 2' is dead.. not 'gnome'
[18:21] <HQRaja> !notunity
[18:21] <XDS2010> auronandace:  so why doesn't ubuntu pickup support for it ?
[18:21] <dr_willis> XDS2010:  why should they?
[18:21] <HQRaja> Heh
[18:21] <mneptok> dr_willis: if you cannot keep that gasoline can away from offtopic bonfires, i will take it from you. :P
[18:21] <SpiderFriend> hi i am person that really likes using linux, and I want to learn second programming language what would be best choice? I see that many things in linux are in C but people are saying its better to learn C++ or java. what do you think?
[18:21] <dr_willis> mneptok:  :)
[18:21] <andycc> SpiderFriend: what's your first programming language?
[18:21] <XDS2010> dr_willis:  why shouldn't they?
[18:21] <dr_willis> I will be glad when they remove the gnome fallback and classic stuff...
[18:22] <dr_willis> XDS2010:  lack of manpower.. and if the actual devs are not supporting it...  why should they spend the manpower on it.
[18:22] <edoceo> I just did an update on Lucid, now my Ruby app (Redmine, from apt) is failing with: Missing the Rails 2.3.11 gem
[18:22] <dr_willis> im sure the  demise of gnome2 is discussed and flamed and debated in the forums in  annoying detail.
[18:22] <andycc> XDS2010: because Ubuntu doesn't use or need the GNOME2 stack anymore, it already migrated to Unity on the Gnome 3 stack.
[18:23] <BluesKaj> mneptok, oh so you are an op ..what's the rule then , it would be good to clarify it here , f it's 30mins , then is a long time to wait for an answer.
[18:23] <pepee> HQRaja, do you want to create an AP, or an ad-hoc network connection?
[18:23] <mneptok> 11:16 < mneptok> BluesKaj: feel free to discuss this with me in #ubuntu-ops if you feel my request was out of line
[18:23] <SpiderFriend> andycc: I forgot, its python
[18:23] <RedXIII> Can anyone help me? I restarted my ubuntu 11.10 on my laptop just now, and now the keyboard isn't functioning. The hardware works fine - just ubuntu isn't accepting the keystrokes.
[18:23] <XDS2010> I think its being disengenous saying that one organization can't pickup support for a product that has been dropped for support from another just because there is a newer product out.
[18:23] <HQRaja> pepee: AP...that created when we click 'Use as Hotspot' in System Settings > Network > Wireless.
[18:23] <XDS2010> NEW != better
[18:23] <HQRaja> that gets* created
[18:24] <Pici> XDS2010: You've been asked a few times to take this discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic, this is your last warning.
[18:24] <XDS2010> Just because a product is new from the same doesn't make it necessarily better.
[18:24] <auronandace> XDS2010: do you need help with a ubuntu issue?
[18:24] <edoceo> *facepalm
[18:24] <mneptok> BluesKaj: such a discussion will needlessly clutter a support channel. like dr_willis and XDS2010 are currently doing.
[18:24] <Myrtti> XDS2010: you're welcome to discuss this issue in further detail in #ubuntu-offtopic. Please let's keep this channel to helping people use what they've got now.
[18:24] <OerHeks> XDS2010, what if gnome2 will be no longer in development? you are on your own then.
[18:24] <Pici> OerHeks, please.
[18:24] <Myrtti> OerHeks: #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:24] <XDS2010> auronandace:  yes,  i want to do a dual boot install on a ext2 partition
[18:25] <dr_willis> XDS2010:  dual boot what os's ?
[18:25] <auronandace> XDS2010: awesome, what is going wrong?
[18:25] <XDS2010> XP and ubuntu
[18:25] <andycc> SpiderFriend: in that case, and if you want to develop for Ubuntu, my suggestion is to try Vala.
[18:25] <BluesKaj> mneptok, no ...I've been in your ops chat before and it's not necessary , I'm just looking for a straight answer. What's the rule , or ist arbitrary /
[18:25] <dr_willis> XDS2010:  so whats stopping you?  thats a normal way of using ubuntu
[18:25] <XDS2010> I want to do it from my live linux installation.
[18:25] <edoceo> Anyone else have Redmine break on the latest Lucid update?  How did you resolve the rails/passenger issue?
[18:25] <XDS2010> And not from windows
[18:26] <HQRaja> pepee: I know how to enable it actually...I just need to know how to do so from desktop/launcher/command line without having to go to System Settings > Networks > Wireless and clicking "Use as Hotspot".
[18:26] <mneptok> BluesKaj: it *is* necessary if you'd like me to answer.
[18:26] <SpiderFriend> andycc: ok I look into it
[18:26] <XDS2010> I can't find any information on how to do that.