[05:27] <ricotz> good morning, looks like the PPA publishers are down and some ppc64el builders are stuck
[05:33] <wgrant> ricotz: Publisher fixed. ppc64el is slow, not actually stuck.
[05:34] <ricotz> wgrant, thanks -- hmm, some builders are "cleaning" for hours afaics
[05:36] <ricotz> I guess I picked the worst one ;) https://launchpad.net/builders/bos02-ppc64el-006/+history
[06:03] <rfried> Hey. package I uploaded compiled successfully but still shown as pending for about 14 hours already. should I be worried ?
[08:30] <cjwatson> rfried: Link?
[08:31] <rfried> cjwatson: hehe, released already (about 10 minutes after I've written the message)
[08:31] <rfried> perhaps there's a bot listening in the channel
[08:32] <cjwatson> rfried: A bit before you joined there was a note about a publisher outage being resolved, so it probably took about that long to work through its backlog
[08:34] <rfried> :)
[10:02] <cpaelzer> hiho, 18/20 ppc builders stuck in cleaning again, could one give them a bump to resolve?
[10:06] <cjwatson> I can try but it's unlikely to achieve very much
[10:06] <cpaelzer> really
[10:06] <cjwatson> May help slightly *shrug*
[10:06] <cpaelzer> is there a wider issue due to e.g. the cloud movement?
[10:06] <cjwatson> In fact none of them appear to have been cleaning for long enough for my script to notice
[10:07] <cpaelzer> hmm, I just happened to notice after lunch that the ppc64 instances didn't build (all others complete)
[10:07] <cpaelzer> and then I saw the 18/20
[10:07] <cpaelzer> I have no data how long things are stuck
[10:07] <cpaelzer> cjwatson: what is the duration your script usually watches for?
[10:07] <cjwatson> 10 minutes
[10:08] <cpaelzer> well, hten lets wait at least 10 minutes
[10:08] <cjwatson> So either somebody else already did a reset, or it's not as bad as it looks
[10:08] <cpaelzer> would be a odd coincidence, but ok for me
[10:08] <cjwatson> Not particularly
[10:08] <cjwatson> Quite a few networking errors in logs, anyway
[10:09] <cpaelzer> cjwatson: I see two nodes disabled now
[10:09] <cjwatson> Or at least veeery slow port detaches
[10:09] <cpaelzer> is going disabled/active part of the reset that your script does?
[10:09] <cjwatson> OK, we don't need to stream-of-consciousness this
[10:09] <cjwatson> We'll look into it
[10:09] <cpaelzer> I already see 5 building again, so you are right the script or someone else might have bumped it already
[10:10]  * cpaelzer feels bad to bother cjwatson about this so often
[10:35] <Laney> I believe that bos02's ppc64el instances are mostly not booting properly
[10:36] <wgrant> Laney: The issue seems very different from yours.
[10:36] <wgrant> We can investigate it next week, hopefully.
[10:36] <Laney> You mean #120004?
[10:36] <Laney> bos01 and bos02 seem broken to me in different way
[10:36] <Laney> s
[10:37] <wgrant> Yes, we're seeing instances fail to leave BUILD mostly.
[10:37] <wgrant> bos01 isn't broken, the images are just missing some properties.
[10:37] <wgrant> bos02 has a probable neutron issue on some ppc64el compute nodes
[10:37] <Laney> Interesting distinction. :P
[10:38] <wgrant> The images are user data, not the cloud :)
[10:40] <Laney> Heh.
[10:41] <Laney> Anyway. How unlucky if that means bos02 broke for both of us differently.
[10:57] <cpaelzer> cjwatson: wgrant: I still see most of the ppc64el builders hang :-/
[10:58] <cpaelzer> cjwatson: so your script still didn't reach 10 minutes on any of them?
[10:58] <cpaelzer> or is it possible that the rest itself might be hanging/slow ?
[10:59] <cpaelzer> I again saw some of the builders flip to disabled state for a short time
[10:59] <wgrant> cpaelzer: As we've said, there's a known issue with the ppc64el builders that are causing things to be slow.
[10:59] <wgrant> It's not going to be addressed this week.
[10:59] <wgrant> And we're aware of the user-visible properties of the failure.
[10:59] <cpaelzer> ok, thanks wgrant and cjwatson
[11:00] <wgrant> If you have a particular build that has been waiting a long time, we can bump it
[11:00] <cpaelzer> it seems I just wanted to do too much at once, will postpone the tasks depending on those for a while ...
[11:00] <cpaelzer> not thanks, no single prop bumping for me in this case
[11:00] <cpaelzer> I can wait as all others do
[11:39] <cpaelzer> just to confirm - the 2235+990 ppc64el queue size on http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running probably is the same "known to be slow" issue right?
[11:41] <wgrant> That's a separate issue
[11:41] <wgrant> But that one's hopefully worked around just a few seconds ago
[11:44] <cpaelzer> oh nice
[11:58] <Laney> Soon
[15:03] <tomreyn> hi. apparently there used ot be a http redirection from http(s)://bazaar.launchpad.net to https://launchpad.net which is not there presently (it now returns a 404)
[15:19] <cjwatson> tomreyn: It's there for http://bazaar.launchpad.net/.  Are you sure it was ever there for https?  AFAIK no configuration there has changed recently.
[15:29] <tomreyn> cjwatson: hmm i was looking at google's cache, which says it can't tell (due to robots.txt i assume), and i also looked at http://archive.fo/https://bazaar.launchpad.net/ but this seems to have only cached the HTTP (not HTTPS) redirection, too. so you're probably right,.
[15:32] <tomreyn> what prompted me was this in #ubuntu-hardened (no idea why):
 is it random outage or was it shutted down? https://bazaar.launchpad.net/
 "The resource could not be found"
[15:42] <cjwatson> It would probably be good to sort out a redirection from HTTPS as well at some point, but it's not a regression


[00:34] <tgBot> Alice was added by: Alice
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[04:00] <tgBot> Robyn Morvis was added by: Robyn Morvis
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[06:13] <lotuspsychje> hey guys, i wish you all a great 2018 and tnx for the good work on ubports!!
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> keep up the spirit
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[07:27] <lotuspsychje> welcome fireplay
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 @Stereofont, Why did you change your newcomer message - I love the old one 😜🙈
 I use three for variety 😎
 I know this isn't particularly relevant for Ubuntu Touch, but is anyone a Gnome expert?
[09:43] <tgBot> k was added by: k
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 thanks!
 Have you got Ubuntu Touch K? What first language btw?
 No, I use android, my first language is italian
 I just saw the youtube video documenting your progress with unity8 and mir 0.29
 https://t.me/ubportsitaliano
 I think the architectural design is solid
 and I like the UI 🙂
 @k, Great. It is experimental but it will progress
 Strange that we are suddenly desktop people 😂
 @Stereofont, We are convergent people never forget this ^^
 @Flohack, Spin-off of Divergent? Convergent! 😂
 I donated and I hope I'll find a way to be helpful (eg, in testing/translating) so that the project will get less "experimental" both on desktop and mobile
 @Flohack, Tomorrow the World! 🤗
 @k, Have you got a compatible phone or tablet?
 unfortunately no
 as of now 🙂
 Right now,  OnePlusOne seems a good choice
 Cheap and capable
 got it
 if you want to try convergence,, Nexus 5 is a good choice ;)
 I'm a desktop person 🙂
 Nexus 5 over-represented.  Selfishly, for testing, we need more OPO
 ok
 We have not even thought of 'desktop testing'. This is extremely new
 I'm just suggesting if he wants to test convergence 😅
 although I think OPO has more power but it has no external display support :(
 cout
 lol sry
 A newer convergence device would be cool yeah
 I'm back to 15.04 with my M10. There was no way to use 16.04 because no wifi und most of apps crashed after launch. I will try it soon.
 @Javacookies, Yes, we could have trouble later if all convergence testing is done on one device only
 @Waldbursche, There is now an appeal for testers (everyone should join the News Channel) but for use, absolutely not
 Ubports as a New ubuntu flavor on desktop!
 @Stereofont, I've seen it last night. Thank you.
 @Javacookies, So no chance to use convergence?
 @unknown, you can use wireless (miracast) but it has ~100ms delay
[10:32] <tgBot> Willy Weinmann was added by: Willy Weinmann
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[10:34] <tgBot> <Willy Weinmann> @Stereofont, Thanks :)  Will look at it.
 @mariogrip, What about displaylink? As far as I know displaylink doesn't require hardware support
 there are multiple generations of display link chips .. the old ones have a basic open source drm driver .. iirc the newer ones not yet..
[11:15] <tgBot> <Timo Leppiniemi> Hi, anyone running xenial image on Frieza?
 @Timo Leppiniemi, Ooh. Finnish group? ? 😎
 I have Frieza but not looked at Xenial. Too soon, except for testing or curiosity
[11:17] <tgBot> <Timo Leppiniemi> Yeah, just for curiosity. It is just a lot of work to get all back to working state if xenial does not work...
 Apps don't open. OpenStore is empty
[11:18] <tgBot> <Timo Leppiniemi> Ok, maybe I will wait
 (Sticker, 512x404) https://irc.ubports.com/QBdyxMCQ/file_3397
[11:19] <tgBot> <Timo Leppiniemi> and what about Finnish group? Is there a one? :)
 @Stereofont, @samitormanen
 Hehe not yet…
[11:21] <tgBot> <Timo Leppiniemi> :)
 There is Scandinavian but you belong more with Estonia 😎
 We need a Finnish language captain
[11:22] <tgBot> <Timo Leppiniemi> for sure, yes :)
 If you want to volunteer you are very welcome
[11:24] <tgBot> <Timo Leppiniemi> That would be interesting. The issue is where to find time. Work takes a lot these days
 It is enough to be in a UBports Finnish group
 Finnish translation ideally
 Social, meet ups maybe
[11:29] <tgBot> <Timo Leppiniemi> Hmm, maybe I will take a look
[11:35] <tgBot> <Timo Leppiniemi> Can you share a link where can I find more info on this?
 Can you make a username in Telegram please? Allows invites and pinging
 Go into Settings to do that
 done, "tleppiniemi"
 the unity8-desktop-install-tools script needs to be fixed to also run apt update and apt upgrad after installing unity8-desktop-session-mir to avoid qml package versions mismatch on fresh 16.04 installations that make unity8 fail to load
 besides that, everything seems to work
 x11 apps work fine
 network configuration seems very limited, i'll explore multiple sound outputs configuration soon
 Maybe desktop feedback needs to be in a separate strand from on-device?
 Cool, what about BT, does it work?
 ok
 wait
 Interested to help testing Ubuntu Touch 16.04? Join the QA-Team! … @ubports_qa_team … t.me/ubports_qa_team … Read https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/about/process/issue-tracking.html to find out how we work.
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/KpDeiuE8/file_3399.jpg Nautilus starts with a desktop support window
 The session should come with its own gsettings schema
[12:00] <tgBot> <Willy Weinmann> @Stereofont, Well, I just tried 16.04 on my E5.... the only apps that started were camera and systems ettings and open store, but not the latter not showing any apps. Then the device turned off and I had to struggle to get it to work again. So after some struggling with the installer I'm downgrading to stable. Guess it's better to wait a bit with the E5 😜
 gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.background show-desktop-icons false fixes the issue
[12:06] <tgBot> raisnawaz was added by: raisnawaz
 @tleppiniemi, BT pairing from unity8 works, but it is not clear how to use it then (access files/contacts/send files to the phone, etc)
 Hey, can I install ubtouch on my MT6580 chipset device?
 ok, I have this keyboard shell for the tablet, just curious if it would work in current development version
 @Willy Weinmann, We need a system of reporting what works. Far more efficient than reporting what doesn't 😂
 Google docs spreadsheet per device? Or something like that?
 @raisnawaz, Sadly, that is impractical.  The device tree is closed proprietary.   BQ were able to do it but are bound by non-disclosure
 Hi all! I've been following the original project for a pretty long time and I think it's only fair I start getting involved now that I know a little bit more about Linux and programming. Is there a way that I could install ubports on an emulator to run on my desktop? I don't have a compatible device with me :/
 @Alice, Welcome Alice. Many have asked a similar question. With Canonical walking away from the SDK we are actually in an even weaker position with emulation at the moment. That at least provided some app emulation
 For now, my suggestion would be a Nexus 7 tablet or if you can afford it and are in Europe, an M10 tablet
 Oh OK, I thought so, since I couldn't find a link to anything on the website. Is there any way I could try to port the project on my device (and others)? Is it at all similar to porting an android ROM or do I have to go deeper?
 you can port the project on desktop with Ubuntu SDK
 Along with 16.04 we will recover ground on convergence
 and later test the project on a real device
 Deeper into OS files and do more than just unlock my bootloader
 @mimecar, Thanks! I'll definitely try that when I get home
 @Alice, Much deeper, as the Android hardware interface is hardware specific
 Oh OK, it makes sense though
 if you need documentation related with SDK installation or the basics of development
 you can read this documentation https://www.gitbook.com/book/mimecar/ubuntu-touch-programming-course/details
 there's a virtual machine with all the tools already configured
 @Alice, I suggest you join OpenStore group if you want to delve deeper
 @Stereofont can you paste the link?
 @tleppiniemi Moroo! Mukava nähdä lisää suomalaisia täälläki! 😁👍
 Kiitos :D Meikä on enempi sellanen taustapiru.
 @samitormanen Aikanaan kun Canonical julkasi ubuntu touchin niin porttailin sen Samsung Noteen. Siitä asti on tullu seurattua miten homma kehittyy
 https://open.uappexplorer.com/telegram
 thanks 😉
 @tleppiniemi, Shifted Finnish to Lab1 😎
 Wait so does this have any link to open-store.net ? I'm confused
 @tleppiniemi Heh, ok. Sullahan on sitte osaamista jos kerta porttaaminen on tuttua. 👍
 @Alice, It is the Telegram group for app programmers and related stuff
 Oh OK thanks
 @samitormanen Ei se helppoa ollut. Aika hitokseen monta kertaa joutu kerneleitä hieromaan jne että sai tunkin buuttaamaan
 @Stereofont, Just sold ;_;
 @Stereofont, Does OPO stands for Oneplus One
 yep
 I have one
 👍
 Sadly, Rahul is really struggling with the Windows installer. It just refuses to cooperate
[13:03] <tgBot> Lomme was added by: Lomme
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 @Lomme, It was an obscure Norwegian joke 🤓
 So have you got Ubuntu Touch?
 I had it, but because I need some apps that are not supported on Ubuntu touch I had to go back to Android sadly enough... But the news of the collaboration between Anbox and Ubuntu touch brought my interest back
 btw Lomme could you make a username in Telegram?  Allows invites and pings
 True for a lot of people I think. That is why it was done. It will take a bit of time before working versions are available
 I know. But still, it got me excited!
 And yeah, I just made a username 😊
 Thanks
 What is your first language?
 Dutch. I already got added to the Dutch UBports group
[13:52] <lotuspsychje> lommeke: belgium or netherlands?
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[14:00] <lotuspsychje> welcome omicrono
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 😎
 @lotuspsychje, Belgium
[14:09] <lotuspsychje> lommeke: me too
 @lommeke, Me too!
 @Flohack, I'm gonna pm you my phone number to text me when you're ready to discuss it as I rarely come on telegram these days
 I'll hop online when I get the text or if sleeping when I wake up
 @Xorpad, Oki nice
 How do I start a private message?
 the canonical is behind the development of Ubuntu touch along with ubports
 No, Canonical does not develop Ubuntu Touch any more
[14:57] <tgBot> vonThinkpadstein was added by: vonThinkpadstein
 they could come back someday
 right after half life 3 comes out
 I mean, they helped a lot with the hand-off and are supportive of the goals, but they are no longer the drivers. Nor are they providing engineering directly to the project.
 I liked to know that Ubuntu phone will run Android apps but here in Brazil The smartphone that the Ubuntu phone wheel is not sold here
 Hello everyone. Just starting to get interested in UBports. I'm running Sailfish OS (CM12.1 - SFOS <IP_ADDRESS>) for almost a year now on my Nexus 5 as a daily runner. Did flash a custom build kernel into it so govenor scaling and lowering CPU voltage became possible to achive better battery life. This version of Sailfish suffered a lot of wakelocks from bluetooth which drained battery life massive. Currently my Nexus runs with average battery
[15:06] <tgBot> of 2 days. I was wondering how battery live comes along with UBports on the Nexus 5 ? Is it still bad or did it improve ?
 I wanted a sdk + Ubuntu phone emulator to test the system inside the Ubuntu desktop and in the future bring to popular models in Brazil like Motorola Samsung Asus lg among others with a structure for installation and upgrade equal to Ubuntu desktop
 @Flohack, "We are Convergent People" … "We are the Convergent People"  … "We Converge" (v) … "We are a Convergent People" (adj)
 @Xorpad, klick on my name and there should be a button
 thank you
 @vonThinkpadstein, why don't to  you install the latest version of SFOS? 2.1.something? anyway, based on my experience I get battery drain on Ubuntu Touch. I am not sure though if it's a hardware problem or not. My Nexus 5 is 2nd hand and drains very fast in any OS I use although UT is the only one that drains battery even while not in use
 @vonThinkpadstein, Hello Pascal. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
 I need to create a live USB. Made 1 before I wiped every drive I own but it failed and now I need an os installer media
 Lol
 Chromebook apparently doesn't have the basic tools needed to make a fat32 USB or mount a iso to extract it to the use
 USB
 I also can't do it with a crouton install and I don't have space to extract the iso to a local storage and move it to usb
 @Javacookies, That is an option, but newer versions of Sailfish OS on the Nexus 5 haven' t got (yet) android support. My current setup works like a charm. Development on the Nexus branch of SFOS is quit low, so apart from a few people there is a lot of DIY.
 Hey Pascal I just bought 2 of you from nVidia
 Yesterday
 Hey Will. You are not in OT 😀
 (Sticker, 512x423) https://irc.ubports.com/UQAts5e9/file_3402
 @Stereofont, This
 @Stereofont, Sorry
 @vonThinkpadstein, oh I see, I don't need android apps on sailfish so I didn't bother 😁 if it's not too much of a hassle,you can try Ubuntu Touch on your Nexus 5 and see if batter is okay or if you want try MultiROM setup ;)
 @Javacookies, oh I will definitely :)
 One question since I want to try it. What version of Ubuntu should I use this on? https://github.com/ubports/unity8-desktop-install-tools
 My guess would be that I should use 16.04?
 @Paktosan, You should use the stable branch (currently only available on 15.04).
 Happy New Year to everyone applicable 😁
 Let's make 2018 the year of UBports! 😍
 @jonny, For the Unity 8 tryout, 16.04 on desktop
 @Javacookies, agree!  the way 2017 ended 2018 is going to be absolutely amazing.  However, we should all plan to contribute more if we are going to realize our dreams.  We have great foundations but now the work begins.  No more waiting for other people (like Marius) to do everything.
 Don't watch the community.  Be the community.  We can all help (I'm living proof)
 I can't code.  I can't do much, but I do my best because I really, really want Ubuntu Touch to be in my whole family's pockets
 @wayneoutthere, Sounds like reggae
 @exar_kun, LOVE IT!  Thanks Joe.
 i can feel it already....
 Make it happen, @exar_kun
 @Paktosan, 16.04
 Ubuntu touch OS 18.04
 New version
 not for some time
 😳
 hey, i have one question about webapp creator...
 is it possible to use https instead of http fro the URL?
 and how?
 Thanks
 @UniversalSuperBox, ✊
 @exar_kun, 18.04😭
 @kristijantkalec, It's a parameter
 no need for 18.04.....a stable 16.04 would already be totally awesome
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/KbCxHrMT/file_3404.jpg
 😂😜
 Utiliser un accés en HTTPS?
 Just mark that and it should do the magic?
 Je pense que oui
 Flashing version 6 from ubports-touch/16.04/devel channel and server http://system-image.ubports.com to device frieza :)
 i don know french, but presume it should work :)
 thanks, will try :)
 Obrigado👍
 @aldolinux80, Nop. Now it doesn't want to open the webapp
 it shows the opening icon but then it closes itself...
 hmm
 after restart in opens the webapp
 but for now I get the white page...
 hmm...I think I know why...
 @gustavoarseniotkd, Tenho 2 telefones com Ubports
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/mr8q8oJ2/file_3405
 because I have self signed ssl certificate and normaly browser asks me if I want to continue...
 as a webapp it doesn't ask me
 Qual marca
 as today is a bit ackward day to work, I'll postpone this to some other day. If anybody has any idea, how to deal with this, please let me know. Thanks :)
 (Photo, 1214x448) https://irc.ubports.com/t7CsvfGt/file_3407.jpg what do in this case?
 2 cache , 2 userdata
 😁
 @kristijantkalec, Same trouble with Mastodon.dremtech.fr
 Xenial users, is there a way to rotate the UI?
 @tleppiniemi, turn your screen upside down🙃
 😆
 @aldolinux80 thanks
 how can I run native click qt apps to X instead of mir on the phone? is that possible?
 @Javacookies, you mean via ssh forwarding of X DISPLAY?
 actually that's what I intend to do 😁
[17:09] <tgBot> <Ringo Kätzel> i don't get any e mails from the ubport forum, whats wrong? O.o
 @Javacookies, Also kinda interested
 @Javacookies, then not really, no. the phone uses GLES instead of GL, so Qt is unhappy, and you can't have both the GLES and GL back-ends installed at the same time
 oh I see....it's okay, thanks! 😊
 If you install the GL versions of the libs in a different prefix, you can force Qt to load from there, instead of using the system Qt libs, and then X forwarding will work fine
 hmmm.. I could try to try to do that 😀 but what would be the command to do it? you can't do it like x apps right? for example, "talaan" or "talaan.kugiigi" won't work unlike in xapps "gedit" is enough
 ubuntu-app-launch <appid>
 with the env set
 @Mr_Doge, anyone ? here from docs
 @Mr_Doge, what is `f2fs`?
 @dohbee, It's a Flash-friendly File System
 Cool thing
 @jeffangelion, this
 is that fstab just the default?
 @dohbee, yes.. unedited .. raw and crisp
 @kristijantkalec which type of web app? I know the ogra one doaesnt have the JavaScript prompts, are you using the normal web app container?
 i guess it has both that way, so that the same fstab will work on devices that have f2fs partitions on ext4 partitions
 ie, one mount will fail, and the other will succeed
 @mateosalta, Yes, I tried with the normal container. I'll try with the ogra one. Thanks 😀
 Someone knows what to do if the desktop-install-script fails with the following message? "unity8-desktop-session depends on unity8 but should not be installed"
 i guess it says could there instead of should
 @gustavoarseniotkd, https://t.me/joinchat/ALdCegI_knZj301cCAbSMw
 but sounds like some dependency issues perhaps
 Yeah, I freely translated that since the original output is in German. Here is the original: Die folgenden Pakete haben unerfüllte Abhängigkeiten: …  unity8-desktop-session : Hängt ab von: unity8 soll aber nicht installiert werden …                           Empfiehlt: qtubuntu-print soll aber nicht installiert werden …                           Empfiehlt: webbrowser-app … E: Probleme können nicht korrigiert werden, Sie haben zurückgeh
 try to install those packages directly and see what error you get
 It is a fresh installation of 16.04 I have done on my Thinkpad X230t. I think it is a interesting device for use which unity since it has pen an touchscreen.
 @Paktosan, You can run your commands with LANG=C at the line start to get english output
 @Paktosan, someone mentioned a solution for that...I think, try to look for it some messages above 😉
 @kristijantkalec oh, I meant it shouldn't work with that one... Huh
 3.10?
 error .. while making ubport
 @UniversalSuperBox, yes
 sigh i dislike 3.10
 why?
 Start at October 17: https://github.com/usb-bullhead-ubuntu-touch/kernel_msm/commits/android-msm-bullhead-3.10-marshmallow-dr1.6-ut
 They should fix the issue
 Happy new year 2018 to all of you.😄
 i am 1 minute into 2018. its not good
 go back
 4h 25min until 2018
 @Ben, go back..
 ◀
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/D6egpUJp/file_3408.mp4
 (Sticker, 512x367) https://irc.ubports.com/IMXO0wvI/file_3409
 @Ben, Time travel ..fast forward.. 😄
 (Sticker, 512x287) https://irc.ubports.com/xx87671p/file_3410
 By going up in the dependency tree I found out that I had to manually install liboxideqt-qmlplugin.\
 Happy New year to all of you !!!
 let see what it will make of this
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/4npfZOUP/file_3412.jpg
 So far I can say that Auto Rotation and Pen Input do not work. But quite impressive anyway.
[19:51] <tgBot> JoseIgnacio was added by: JoseIgnacio
 @rubencarneiro, flo = nexus 7?
 holla @JoseIgnacio
 @rubencarneiro, such dpi much wow
 ?
 Welcome @JoseIgnacio and a happy new year! Please look at https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get up to speed and feel free to ask any question, especially in the Newcomers Room!
[20:01] <tgBot> Tina was added by: Tina
 And hi Tina! Also a happy new year to you, please check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome and feel free to ask any question, especially in the Newcomers Room!
 @peternerlich, Thx,happy new year too
 @popescu_sorin, yes
 @Mr_Doge, it's probably just 1920x1080
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/bJnQfi10/file_3414.jpg
 @dohbee i think has a big ass screen :D
 I could not have that icon on my desktop
 well, i prefer more pixels in a not so big ass screen :P
 but yeah, my current monitor is 4K
 @UniversalSuperBox, needs to be wreathed in fire, instead?
 @popescu_sorin, my desktop dpi?
 resolution :D
 yes 1920x1080
 yep :D
 (Photo, 1280x535) https://irc.ubports.com/AbqJKulT/file_3418.jpg
 ^^ @dohbee screen
 heh that's not my screen
 oh :D
 ha aha ha ha ha
 that was a window inside my screen
 so the screen is bigger :))
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/sXy3PwaP/file_3420.jpg
 nice 96 dpi
 i actually use a tv as a screen now
 I've got 131 DPI \o/
 uuuuuuu
 70 cm 4K would be my next screen, not sure if i can find something like this
 and then i'll probably have to upgrade my pc
 oh a 27" 4K screen? those are easy to find, and cheap
 or at least buy a gpu (i now use the integrated stuff in i5 kabylake
 this screen is 187 DPI
 187dpi ❤
 23.6" 4K
 ~60cm :D
 good enough :D
 meh
 (Photo, 2560x1440) https://irc.ubports.com/x3UudT18/file_3422.jpg
 that is my screen
 o_o
 well, changed a few things, but roughly that
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/1K8CWj0z/file_3424.mp4
 where the heck does steam store screenshots?
 eh, getting a bit ot anyway
 not sure what to buy for my next pc except for a 4k, 60m screen :D
 i kinda want very silent PC
 Those would be some big pixels
 cm :D
 so a case like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc0N0cAwWb4
 be quiet case
 amd maybe the power supply
 eh
 germany based
 See you next year 😂
 i heard they make cool silent stuff, pc cases, power supply, fans
 https://www.bequiet.com/en
 http://www.circotech.com/rm-2520al-2u-alunimum-13-9-deep-ultralite-rackmount-case.html
 System Boards: … Dual Xeon, Dual Opteron, Pentium 4, Dual Pentium III based boards
 woa! dual pentium 3 :D
 and a ludicrous price
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/6BCXTdDo/file_3429.ogv
 downloads and runs random file
 a little more on topic
 Ah, that's handy for the desktop
 Kinda looks like Budgie's Raven
 i haven't implemented anything functional yet. was just trying to figure out how to do that in qml
 Happy new year!
 Already, im still in 2017
 portugal? :D you are still 2 hours away
 Yes, im talking to you from the past
 :))
 apparently there are lots of fireworks in the future :D
 Two hours from now you will be talkingbto me
 I'm one hour away, here in Germany. And don't you dare to tell my dog he by far isn't through the worst yet
 Happy GNUBports year for those who already started enjoying it and those who are about to! … 2018 will be THE UBports year!
 Is it possible  to share pictures via bluetooth?
[22:24] <tgBot> <Thoralf Sann> Yes it is with Bluetooth file Transfer!
 @Thoralf Sann, Oh, I expected it to be built-in... Thanks
[22:46] <tgBot> <Thoralf Sann> 👍
[22:51] <tgBot> Desipher was added by: Desipher
 @Desipher, Welcome Ri! Ask questions, join in. Glad to have you in our community. https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome for lots of newcomer information 🚪
 Happy new year !!!! 😍😍😍😍😍
 Another one from the future
 Happy new year
 Happy new year
[23:05] <tgBot> <Sander Klootwijk> Happy new year everyone!
 Happy new year to all!
 Happy New Year :)
 Happy new year, thank you all involved for hard work on the phone in 2017. Looking forward what 2018 will bring !
 Happy new year from Spain!
 Happy new year from Slovenia 😀
 Just too bad for all the fireforks...my cats are scared 😱
 happy new year from italy too! :)
 All happy new year and let's make UBports work for ever!
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/xuT5yeqV/file_3430.mp4
 I'm still stuck in 2017
 'murica
 @UniversalSuperBox, Me too
 ^^
 We are so 2017.....
 How does Ubuntu Touch look in 2018?
 100.000 active User and 6000 per month financial support
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/yq7YoaTJ/file_3431
 Happy new year :)
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/zvpXZqVw/file_3432
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/urplWt34/file_3433
 Happy New Year
 (Photo, 480x480) https://irc.ubports.com/YbKDcM6k/file_3434.jpg
 Best wishes to all my ubports ubuntu friends. My yearly donations go to the guitar tools app and unav. Still among the classiest app on our platform. Also ofcource to Ubports as well as the Matrix project. And a big thanks to all in this awsum community.
 Happy new year everyone! :D
 Video da parte di Rocco
 (Video, 43s)https://irc.ubports.com/gF9Yrfo0/file_3435.mp4
 Happy 2018


[00:48] <ubotu> In ubotu, soundray said: thunar =~ s/alternative/alternative to/
[00:52] <LjL> !thunar
[00:52] <ubotu> thunar is a File Manager for XFCE. It is a lightweight alternative Nautilus and is quite similar.  I fixed it but I cant join #ubuntu
[01:10] <ogre> wyclif:  did you follow instructions for repAIR?
[01:10] <wyclif> repair?  why?
[01:10] <ogre> wyclif:  its a router bug. you mean you didnt read instructions?
[01:11] <wyclif> ogre: i'm in the wrong channel
[01:11] <wyclif> i just want to change channels
[01:11] <Tm_T> yes
[01:11] <LjL> ogre: he's here for a different reason.
[01:11] <ogre> wyclif:  looking for #ubuntu?
[01:11] <ogre> ahhh
[01:11] <LjL> ogre: you weren't able to join because of some glitch in the bots. you can join now
[01:11] <wyclif> ogre: yes
[01:11] <wyclif> ogre: ok. thanks!
[01:11] <ogre> thanks LjL
[01:11] <LjL> wyclif: i'm afraid you've pushed your luck a bit far in order to rejoin #ubuntu without some amount of talk in here first
[01:12] <wyclif> ogre: apparently LjL decided to get heavy handed with a user
[01:12] <wyclif> ogre: i was kicked off the channel for using the bot according to IRC rules
[01:13] <ogre> wyclif:  you should alsways listen to ops. its none of my business. dont involve me
[01:13] <wyclif> ogre: for greeting new people using the bot and being friendly in general.  wow, #ubuntu is getting to be like #debian that way...
[01:13] <wyclif> ogre: ok, so I chatted a bit.
[01:13] <Tm_T> wyclif: can I hug you?
[01:14] <wyclif> Tm_T: yes
[01:14] <Tm_T> ogre: can we help you in some else?
[01:14] <wyclif> ogre: well, I was told by LjL I had to say some things here
[01:14] <wyclif> i really just want to join #ubuntu
[01:14] <Tm_T> wyclif: yes yes, none of them have to do with ogre
[01:15] <LjL> [02:07:28] <wyclif> soundray you have trouble comprehending english? i'm saying i used it exactly the way it's supposed to be used.  capiche?
[01:15] <LjL> that was the last thing you said
[01:15] <wyclif> LjL that's right.
[01:15] <LjL> see, aside from the obviously unacceptable attitude towards soundray,
[01:15] <wyclif> *sigh*
[01:15] <LjL> there is an intrinsic problem. how is the bot "supposed to be used"? who decides how it is?
[01:15] <LjL> well, it's simple - us.
[01:15] <wyclif> LjL gosh, I just wanna join #ubuntu!
[01:15] <LjL> so if i tell you that's not the way to use it, it means it's not the way to use it.
[01:16] <wyclif> LjL, yes sir!  how high, sir!
[01:16] <LjL> wyclif, you tried pretty hard to get yourself banned from there. you could have thought about it earlier.
[01:16] <wyclif> *groveling*
[01:16] <Tm_T> whats groveling?
[01:16] <wyclif> HEH
[01:17] <Tm_T> wyclif: anyway, you say, you disagree with us, but we should just let you go?
[01:17] <wyclif> *sigh* whatever dude.  can I rejoin #ubuntu now
[01:17] <Tm_T> wyclif: no, we don't let you in if we don't believe you will follow the rules
[01:17] <wyclif> Tm_T no, not you.
[01:17] <Tm_T> wyclif: why not me?
[01:17] <wyclif> Tm_T because i recall you had nothing to do with it.
[01:18] <ogre> ok, thanks. wyclif I can tell you that you are pushing yr luck though
[01:18] <ogre> ok im out
[01:18] <ogre> *poof*
[01:18] <wyclif> ogre: yes you may.  thanks.  may I rejoin #ubuntu now that I've taken my lashing?
[01:18] <LjL> wyclif, do you see the +'s, or green lights, or whatever it is on your client, that some users in here have? those identify the users who *do* have to do with stuff that happens in #ubuntu.
[01:18] <Tm_T> ogre: thanks and have fun
[01:19] <wyclif> LjL thanks but I've been on IRC since *1987*
[01:19] <LjL> meh
[01:19] <LjL> irc was created in 1988
[01:19] <Tm_T> "created" :-P
[01:19] <LjL> whate'er
[01:20] <Tm_T> in sensible way he couldn't been "around" until ~90 or so, but I even doubt 99
[01:21] <nalioth> 1987, eh?
[01:21] <Tm_T> prolly born that year
[01:33] <matisse> hello
[01:33] <LjL> hi
[01:33] <matisse> i was banned in #ubuntu because of uberscript
[01:33] <matisse> i turned the functions off now
[01:33] <matisse> sorry for that
[01:34] <LjL> matisse: and you had *two* bots like that in the channel?
[01:34] <matisse> no
[01:34] <matisse> i dont have bots
[01:34] <matisse> actually
[01:34] <LjL> then why were two users automatically responding to your !give commands?
[01:35] <matisse> ?
[01:35] <matisse> wrong way
[01:35] <matisse> do you want to test it ? Seems like I was faster or something like that
[01:36] <LjL> !give test test
[01:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about give test test - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:36] <matisse> actually, i ask myself why bsod2 typed that command
[01:36] <matisse> 1 sec
[01:36] <LjL> matisse: yes, i see now that you were one of those two "bots".
[01:37] <LjL> matisse: you can rejoin now. please keep in mind that bots and automatic scripts (except ubotu of course) are strictly disallowed in #ubuntu
[01:37] <matisse> yes, no problem
[01:37] <matisse> i apprechiate your work there
[01:38] <Tm_T> matisse: and remember to have fun ;)
[01:38] <matisse> so, it's not my intention to do such stuff
[01:40] <matisse> now is see
 I want to be able to play call of duty on ubuntu, but punkbuster won't install in wine... is there a way to get around this?
 !give neeto wine
[01:40] <Tm_T> ...
[01:41] <matisse> senseless... :-)
[01:41] <matisse> LjL: did you post "!give test test" to check if I am a bot ?
[01:42] <LjL> matisse: to test if your script was still in place.
[01:42] <matisse> ah, ok
[01:42] <mneptok> !give ME_COOKIE!
[01:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about give me_cookie! - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:43]  * matisse gives still a cup
[01:43] <matisse> !give still works ;-)
[01:44] <matisse> so, thanks for unbanning
[01:44] <matisse> gn8
[01:56] <mneptok> g'nate?
[02:19] <Tm_T> oh why I don't have op rights on #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:20] <LjL> wasn't unagi banned to begin with?
[02:21] <Tm_T> was, is he still?
[02:22] <LjL> Tm_T: yes
[02:22] <Tm_T> LjL: then time to remind him?
[02:22] <Tm_T> not my job though
[02:22] <LjL> i did
[02:22] <Tm_T> oooh
[02:22] <unagi> what time would i expect it to be lifted or when should i request?
[02:23] <LjL> unagi, i think you should come back tomorrow and ask seveas
[02:23] <unagi> ok i wasnt aware it wasnt lifted
[02:23] <unagi> i dont really know why it joined to tell you the truth i never reconnected
[02:23] <Tm_T> it wont be lifted until you ask so, I afraid ;)
[02:24] <unagi> oh wait, yea i did because i switched my xorg......i apologize
[02:27] <Pici> wyclif: Can we help you?
[02:28] <wyclif> yes, actually
[02:29] <wyclif> i cannot join #ubuntu
[02:29] <Tm_T> still
[02:29] <wyclif> yeah.
[02:30]  * Pici scrolls up
[02:30] <Pici> Tm_T: looks like you know whats going on here.  /me poofs
[02:30] <wyclif> i was actually going to ask a question about openssh, but for some reason i cannot join, it appears my ISP has been banned.
[02:31] <Tm_T> wyclif: you remember why you were banned?
[02:31] <nalioth> wyclif: ##linux or #openssh can help you
[02:31] <LjL> short term memory loss
[02:31] <Tm_T> :)
[02:31] <LjL> an interesting condition
[02:31] <Tm_T> LjL: :))
[02:31] <wyclif> ah, thanks.  No, actually I have no idea.
[02:31] <Tm_T> wyclif: interesting, somehow I do these days
[02:31] <wyclif> ???
[02:31] <LjL> wyclif: was IRC good in 1987?
[02:32] <wyclif> what's that?
[02:32] <LjL> wyclif you know what
[02:32] <wyclif> hmmm.  i thought this was the ops channel
[02:32] <Tm_T> noooooo
[02:32] <Tm_T> wyclif: this is
[02:32] <Tm_T> LjL: don't do it yet
[02:32] <LjL> Tm_T: :(
[02:32] <Pici> I thought I was confused before, perhaps my scrollback is in some sort of bizarro -ops channel.
[02:34] <wyclif> hm.  well, I was on that channel this morning.  I come back from work, I'm banned.  not sure I understand.
[02:34] <wyclif> it does appear my IP has been banned, which is odd.
[02:34] <Tm_T> how you found out your IP is banned?
[02:34] <LjL> troooooooooooooooooooooooooooll
[02:34] <wyclif> i checked.
[02:34] <Tm_T> how?
[02:35] <Pici> LjL: gezundheit
[02:35] <Tm_T> LjL: shush
[02:35] <wyclif> you're welcome.
[02:35] <LjL> Pici: geSundheit
[02:35] <wyclif> wow, is this really an #ubuntu channel?
[02:35] <Tm_T> wyclif: no, #ubuntu-ops
[02:35] <wyclif> hmm.
[02:35] <Tm_T> wyclif: how did you check you're banned?
[02:36] <wyclif> I thought I could get some answers here.  Other times I've asked, that channel has been helpful.
[02:36] <Tm_T> wyclif: yes yes, how you checked you are banned
[02:36] <Pici> wyclif: this isn't #ubuntu, this is #ubuntu-ops, note that theres 43 people here, not 1043
[02:36] <wyclif> Tm_T I tried to join, I was informed I was banned.
[02:36] <Tm_T> wyclif: that doesn't say your IP is banned
[02:36] <wyclif> yes, I realise that.  I'm trying to join #ubuntu.  that's why I'm on the ops channel, asking.
[02:36] <Tm_T> :)
[02:37] <Tm_T> wyclif: you are banned because your hostile attitude
[02:37] <wyclif> that's weird, because I didn't think my username was banned
[02:37] <Tm_T> how so?
[02:37] <wyclif> Tm_T what?
 LjL I think I'll use it the way it's supposed to be used, kthxbai
[02:37] <mneptok> like so ^^^^
[02:37] <wyclif> I didn't write that!
[02:37] <Tm_T> you did
[02:37] <Tm_T> wyclif: if it wasn't you, who then?
[02:37] <wyclif> nope, I didn't.  I just got home from work, actually.
[02:37] <mneptok> wyclif: you were asked to stop certain behaviors by ops. you responded with a flat-out "no."
[02:38] <wyclif> what???!!!
[02:38] <wyclif> when was this?
[02:38] <LjL> wyclif: p'haps it was your brother
[02:38] <mneptok> this afternoon
[02:38] <Tm_T> mneptok: what timezone? ;)
[02:38] <wyclif> I wasn't even here this afternoon.  Hmmmm
[02:38] <wyclif> ugh...
[02:38] <Tm_T> wyclif: one and a half an hour ago
[02:39] <mneptok> wyclif: it's your IP address
[02:39] <wyclif> Hmmm.  I wonder if it was my roommate
[02:39] <Tm_T> ip, ident, nick...
[02:39] <wyclif> on my computer.
[02:39] <Tm_T> wyclif: then make sure that can't happen again
[02:39] <mneptok> wyclif: which means that either you're lying, or your computer is not secure and is being used without your knowledge. either way, it means no going back to #ubuntu until the problem is fixed.
[02:39] <wyclif> I'm going to have to have a chat with these people
[02:39] <Tm_T> your pc, your responsibility
[02:40] <wyclif> I think I did not log out this morning
[02:40] <Tm_T> lock it
[02:40] <wyclif> :-(
[02:40] <Tm_T> make it to lock automatically
[02:40] <nalioth> wyclif: please read up on computer security and come back tomorrow
[02:40] <wyclif> I understand the security aspect.  I just did not lock or log out, I apologise.
[02:40] <mneptok> wyclif: when your roommates are animals, you often have to wade through a lot of crap in your life.
[02:41] <wyclif> or you just need new roommates...
[02:41] <Tm_T> 0319.04 < wyclif> LjL thanks but I've been on IRC since *1987*
[02:41] <mneptok> or that
[02:41] <Tm_T> wyclif: nah, just fix your screensaver settings
[02:41]  * mneptok blinks
[02:41] <wyclif> you pasted that before.
[02:41] <mneptok> 1987?
[02:41] <Tm_T> mneptok: aye
[02:41] <mneptok> that's a neat trick.
[02:41] <Tm_T> timetravel
[02:41] <wyclif> I wasn't even ALIVE in 1987
[02:42] <Tm_T> I knew that
[02:42] <mneptok> neither was IRC
[02:42] <wyclif> this is really getting unfriendly.
[02:42] <Tm_T> wyclif: by people who uses your pc :)
[02:43] <nalioth> wyclif: please join us here tomorrow
[02:43] <wyclif> Tm_T that's true.
[02:43] <Tm_T> wyclif: anyway, I'm happy to see it secure and you happily in #ubuntu
[02:43] <LjL> wyclif, you can't blame us for your roommate being a [very] professional liar, therefore now making us highly doubt the veridicity of your statements.
[02:43] <wyclif> I'm not in #ubuntu, though.  I'm in #ubuntu-ops
[02:43] <LjL> so, drop this now, and come back tomorrow.
[02:43] <LjL> jurer gbzbeebj vf n zbagu sebz abj
[02:43] <Tm_T> LjL: sdflojgnbkm sdrgklnj agrklnjsretg
[02:44] <Tm_T> wyclif: hi how can we help you?
[02:44] <nalioth> wyclif: was there something else we could help you with?
[02:45] <wyclif> making sure I had the right channel
[02:45] <wyclif> thanks
[02:45] <Tm_T> heh
[02:45] <Tm_T> you did
[02:45] <wyclif> for a second there I didn't think I was on an #ubuntu channel
[02:45]  * Tm_T stuffs her fist back into mouth, deep
[02:45] <Tm_T> mums!
[02:45]  * Pici gets out his can of troll-b-gone
[02:46] <Pici> wyclif: Tomorrow is 24 hours away.
[02:46] <ardchoille> wyclif: The more you pursue this after being told to "come back tomorrow" the longer this problem is going to persist
[02:46] <wyclif> what?
[02:47] <wyclif> pursue what?
[02:47] <wyclif> the only thing I did was rejoin the channel
[02:47] <nalioth> gentlemen, we can fix this, easily
[02:47] <Tm_T> nooo :(
[02:47] <Pici> Tm_T: its okay... we'll get you another one.
[02:47] <ardchoille> hahahaha
[02:48] <Tm_T> but I was having fun at times :((
[02:48] <LjL> i never get to make them count from 1 to 3.
[02:48] <ardchoille> Pici: And we won't even have to try very hard
[02:50] <mneptok> HEY BABY WAKE UP FROM YOU ASLEEP!
[02:50] <LjL> !caps | mneptok
[02:50] <ubotu> mneptok: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[02:50] <Tm_T> !coc | mneptok
[02:51] <ubotu> mneptok: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[02:51] <mneptok> !hi > LjL
[02:52] <LjL> !bye is <reply> Bye! Hope you've enjoyed your time on $chan
[02:52] <ubotu> But bye already means something else!
[02:52] <LjL> shuddup
[02:52] <Tm_T> !bye
[02:52] <ubotu> Bye! Hope you've enjoyed your time on #ubuntu-ops
[03:06] <jdong> LjL: I think bye should also make sure the victim leaves ;-)
[03:06] <nalioth> jdong: my "bye-bye" does
[03:07] <LjL> !bye is =~ s/$/ - The door is that way, I can't be arsed banning you, really/
[03:07] <ubotu> I know nothing about bye is yet, LjL
[03:07] <LjL> !bye =~ s/$/ - The door is that way, I can't be arsed banning you, really/
[03:07] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[03:07] <LjL> !bye | jdong
[03:07] <ubotu> jdong: Bye! Hope you've enjoyed your time on #ubuntu-ops - The door is that way, I can't be arsed banning you, really
[03:08] <Tm_T> hmmmm
[03:10] <Pici> hmm
[03:11] <ardchoille> hehe
[05:01] <Madpilot> hmm - should all three Floodbots be on & op'd at once in #u?
[05:04] <Tm_T> Madpilot: hmm, opped no IIRC
[05:10] <nalioth> Madpilot: that's common behaviour
[05:11] <nalioth> if they lose track of chanserv, they go into "split" mode and op up in the event that chanserv goes away totally and ops are needed by them
[05:12] <Madpilot> ah, OK
[07:31] <jussi01> ardchoille: whats your thoughts on richard balls in #k?
[07:32] <jussi01> hello Hobbsee
[07:32] <Hobbsee> hiya
[07:32] <jussi01> He isnt talking, just Im a bit wary when someones got: [09:26] *** Richard_Balls<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #kubuntu
[07:32] <elkbuntu> jussi01, please try get him to change his nick... it's usually amusing to watch the discussion on the linuxchix server when he goes to troll and show pics of women on toilets
[07:33] <jussi01> elkbuntu: the nick isnt so bad, its the<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:33] <elkbuntu> he will maintain it's his real name, and start being an idiot
[07:33] <ardchoille> jussi01: He changed to that nick after I mentioned that his previous nick "mantits" was questionable.
[07:34] <ardchoille> he still has mantits in his ident??
[07:34] <ardchoille> I personally don
[07:34] <jussi01> ardchoille: sigh, ok Ill ask him to change
[07:34] <ardchoille> 't like the "mantits being publicly viewable, but
[07:34] <elkbuntu> ardchoille, he's a cross-server troll. he uses stupid nicks like that to get attention... feed him and he will show his true self
[07:35] <ardchoille> Well, I don't wanna feed him, but I don't wanna get into trouble for removing him either, since he hasn't caused the channel any trouble
[07:35] <ardchoille> jussi01: Good idea
[07:35] <jussi01> here we go... as elkbuntu predicted.
[07:36] <ardchoille> jussi01: How about asking him to change his ident?
[07:36] <elkbuntu> as i said, he visits the linuxchix server and posts random dirty links
[07:37] <ardchoille> That's not nice
[07:37] <elkbuntu> when you bring up the fact that his hostmask is military and remind him that the military has strict rules... he usually flees
[07:39] <ardchoille> Well, that's somewhat better
[07:39] <jussi01> yeah, did you pm?
[07:39] <ardchoille> yes
[07:39] <jussi01> sorry, I had to run for 1 sec
[07:39] <ardchoille> /msg Richard_Balls Could you please change your ident?
[07:40] <ardchoille> he complied without a word.
[07:40] <elkbuntu> ... now it's 'bill'
[07:40] <ardchoille> better than "mantits"
[07:40] <elkbuntu> i'm pretty sure bill is not short for 'richard'
[07:40] <jussi01> yeah, hmm. Im going to persist with the ick change
[07:40] <ardchoille> jussi01: Good idea
[07:40] <elkbuntu> jussi01, i'll take him on in #ubuntu in parallel
[07:43] <elkbuntu> he's ignoring me, it seems
[07:44] <jussi01> Im tempted to forward him here, if no action is taken.
[07:44]  * elkbuntu wtf's at the quit message
[07:44] <jussi01> heh
[07:44] <ardchoille> what is CRIA?
[07:45] <elkbuntu> a baby alpaca
[07:45] <ardchoille> according to wp: Canadian Recording Industry Association
[07:46] <elkbuntu> ok, now add into that the fact that he's in a japanese military base... we have enough information to scare him good if we wanted to
[07:47] <ardchoille> aha
[07:47] <jussi01> hehe
[07:47] <ardchoille> elkbuntu: Im so glad you're here :)
[07:47] <jussi01> !opsnack | elkbuntu
[07:47] <ubotu> elkbuntu: Chocolate!  And Peanuts!
[07:49] <jussi01> ardchoille: are you on the kubuntu list?
[07:49] <Tm_T> hi jussi01 and elkbuntu
[07:50] <jussi01> hi Tm_T
[07:51] <elkbuntu> ardchoille, oh, and misawa is an air base... so he's not just some wannabe
[07:51] <ardchoille> jussi01: Kubuntu mailing list?
[07:51] <Hobbsee> jussi01: what's wrong with it?
[07:51] <jussi01> Hobbsee: just getting ultra annoyed at the OT bible discussion...sigh...
[07:51] <ardchoille> jussi01: I'm not on any Kubuntu mailing lists, if that's what you meant. Should I be?
[07:52] <elkbuntu> tell them to take it to ichythux (or however the hell it's spelled) mailing lists, if it hasnt already been said
[07:52] <jussi01> ardchoille: depends, to me its like the forums on email...
[07:53] <ardchoille> jussi01: Hmm.. not a bad ide
[07:53] <ardchoille> a
[07:55] <jussi01> I just realised !night is kinda badly worded...
[07:56] <jussi01> elkbuntu: He is probably just ultra bored... :P
[07:56] <elkbuntu> jussi01, who?
[07:57] <jussi01> elkbuntu: Mr Balls
[07:58] <elkbuntu> doesnt matter
[08:02] <Hobbsee> jussi01: next time, whinge at me earlier please
[08:03] <jussi01> Hobbsee: ok. sure. why so?
[08:03]  * Hobbsee has superpowers to that list
[08:03] <jussi01> Hobbsee: ahh, about that. ok.
[08:03]  * jussi01 didnt know :) but does now :D
[08:04] <jussi01> Hobbsee: I was gonna whinge at the list, but didnt want to feed the troll.
[08:07]  * Hobbsee sends the "this is the end" mail to the list
[08:08] <jussi01> :)
[08:08] <ardchoille> :)
[08:09]  * jussi01 waits for it to hit
[08:11] <no0tic> grr! It disconnects every single morning
[08:11] <Daviey> ^ What list was that?
[08:12] <Hobbsee> jussi01: i think it's moderated
[08:12] <Daviey> awww, kubuntu one :(
[08:14] <jussi01> Hobbsee: ah, ok.
[08:14] <Hobbsee> jussi01: hm, seems it isn't.  just hasnt' hit the list yet
[08:14] <jussi01> no0tic: go look at the topic in the testing channel
[08:14] <jussi01> :)
[08:16] <Hobbsee> ugh.  there's more!
[08:19] <Tm_T> mmmmmgh
[08:19] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: murr
[08:20]  * Hobbsee blocks that too
[08:21] <Hobbsee> ugh
[08:21]  * Hobbsee wonders about moderating this entire mailing list.
[08:21] <Hobbsee> it's so offtopic
[08:21] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: k-users?
[08:21] <Hobbsee> yea
[08:25] <Tm_T> hrrrr
[08:25] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: latest OT filtered out? can't see new ones
[08:26] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: i'll check again
[08:26]  * Hobbsee only put the rule in recently
[08:26] <Tm_T> one reason more I don't spend time with mailinglists though
[08:26] <Hobbsee> nothing in the queue
[08:27] <Tm_T> hooray
[08:27] <Hobbsee> jussi01: can you write up something on mailing list ettiquite, send it to me, and i'll post it as a list admin, and we can just moderate anyone who decides to discuss it afterwards?
[08:27] <Hobbsee> this stuff is getting ridiculous :-\
[08:27] <jussi01> Hobbsee: sure.
[08:29] <Hobbsee> jussi01: thanks a lot
[08:31] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: interested in helping otu?
[08:31] <Hobbsee> i need people who actually read the ML
[08:38] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: hmm, I'm not used to ML stuff, nr prolly have much time in several weeks, but I would love to help
[08:40] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: list admin is very sweet.
[08:40] <Hobbsee> you dont have to go thru the web UI
[08:40] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: all you do is go thru, hit b (or f), then d or a.
[08:41] <Tm_T> roger, I will try to have some hour(s) weekly, but can't promise much currently
[08:41] <Tm_T> have to put my own life back to "normal track"
[08:41] <jussi01> Hobbsee: wha? (/me still uses web ui)
[08:42] <Hobbsee> jussi01: listadmin.  it's your friend.
[10:50] <popey> 10:49:13 < ActionParsnip> i'm banned from #kubuntu so I thought I'd hover in here and help my fellow englishman
[10:50] <popey> why?
[10:50] <popey> just so I know
[10:52] <ardchoille> He used a public away message. I removed him from the channel. He re-entered the channel and used another public away message. This all hapened just after I mentioned !away to another user.
[10:52] <ardchoille> I banned him because it appeared he wasn't going to read or abide by the !guidelines
[10:54] <Daviey> @btlogin
[10:57] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[10:57] <ActionParsnip> I'd like to get my ban lifted from #kubuntu please
[10:58] <ardchoille> ActionParsnip: Please read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[10:59] <ActionParsnip> ardchoille, I now know how to go about being away ardchoille
[10:59] <PriceChild> ActionParsnip, you read that page very quickly!
[10:59] <ActionParsnip> reading
[11:01] <ActionParsnip> done
[11:01] <ardchoille> ActionParsnip: Please explain why "/me is away" and "/me is back" are frowned upon.
[11:02] <ActionParsnip> ardchoille, loads of people doing it will scroll the page loads
[11:02] <ActionParsnip> confusing peeps
[11:02] <ardchoille> ActionParsnip: That is not an acceptable answer.
[11:03] <ActionParsnip> and its kinda pointless text as there are other peeps who can help
[11:04] <ardchoille> ActionParsnip: Would you like to resolve this issue and get the ban lifted?
[11:04] <ActionParsnip> and to quote the page. "no one gives a rats ass where you are at any given point in the day"
[11:04] <ActionParsnip> I'd love to
[11:04] <ardchoille> ActionParsnip: Please explain why "/me is away" and "/me is back" are frowned upon.
[11:05] <ActionParsnip> the chat is asynchronous and replies are not expected so everyone can be "in" the room but not chatting as they are afk
[11:06] <ActionParsnip> sending the text gets sent to all users in the room taking up bandwidth
[11:07] <ActionParsnip> all in all its not cool
[11:07] <ardchoille> Right.. so now you know that those types of actions are frowned upon.
[11:07] <ActionParsnip> yes I understand
[11:08] <ardchoille> ActionParsnip: Your ban is lifted in #kubuntu, please adhere to the guidelines in the future.
[11:08] <Tm_T> ActionParsnip: oh, you!
[11:09] <ActionParsnip> can I just add that I didnt see the warning you gave or I wouldnt have typed "back". I'm just an old chatter used to using afk/back but if you guys dont like it i can abide
[11:09] <ActionParsnip> :D
[11:09] <ardchoille> ActionParsnip: Ok
[11:09] <ActionParsnip> Tm_T, huh?
[11:10] <Tm_T> ActionParsnip: happy to see you :) though didn't expect it to be this channel
[11:10] <ActionParsnip> Tm_T, yeah i used the afk/back and its not cool
[11:12] <Tm_T> Hobbsee <3
[11:13] <popey> right then, that was painful to watch
[11:13] <Daviey> very
[11:13] <popey> I'm not convinced you need to do the "dance monkey boy dance" on him ardchoille, treating him like a 3 year old
[11:13] <Daviey> https://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/bans.cgi?query=ActionParsnip&kicks=on&oldbans=on&bans=on&oldmutes=on&mutes=on
[11:15] <Hobbsee> heya
[11:15] <ardchoille> popey: I merely wanted to make sure he understand the reason for the ban so he doesn't get banned for it again.
[11:15] <Daviey> Hobbsee: goo' day
[11:15] <popey> you could possibly have achived that in a _slightly_ less patronising way though I suspect
[11:15] <Tm_T> hmm, agreed
[11:15] <Daviey> ardchoille: well you'll be banning me on day then.. if i'm in mid conversation with someone and i need to go.. i will /me afk
[11:16] <Tm_T> ardchoille: anyway, wellcome in to the fire ;)
[11:16] <ardchoille> Daviey: Interesting
[11:16] <ardchoille> Tm_T: :)
[11:17] <ardchoille> Daviey: Are you aware that, as an op, we are to set a positive role model and that intentinally violating the guidelines is not good for the image of an oper?
[11:17] <Daviey> ardchoille: and your behaviour ^ is?
[11:18] <ardchoille> Daviey: I was doing the best I know how to do with the tools I have while following the guidelines.
[11:18] <ardchoille> I'm sorry if that upset you
[11:18] <Daviey> but you failed to spot the offence of multiple lines as puncation just 10 lines above his /me is afk ?
[11:18] <Tm_T> ardchoille: heh, you did mostly fine, just less "rolling over" and you'll be perfect :)
[11:19] <ardchoille> Tm_T: Ah, ok
[11:19] <ardchoille> Daviey: When you go fishing, do you catch every fish in the lake/ocean?
[11:20] <Daviey> i normally catch none :)
[11:20] <Daviey> but i wouldn't beat the fish into submisson, i'd catch him and throw him back
[11:21] <ardchoille> Very well, "less rolling over", I'll try and remember that.
[11:22] <Tm_T> :)
[11:22] <Tm_T> ardchoille: nobody is perfect, though I could be close ;)
[11:22] <ardchoille> Thank you all for helping me become a better op, I do appreciate it :)
[11:22] <ardchoille> Tm_T: hehe
[11:23]  * Hobbsee sends another email, and hopes it gest there
[11:24] <ardchoille> Hobbsee: The same ml issue?
[11:24] <Hobbsee> yeah
[11:24] <Hobbsee> the first one didn't
[11:25] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure why
[11:26] <Tm_T> mmmgh
[11:26] <Tm_T> should have been in town some hours ago already
[11:26] <Tm_T> baaaaaah
[11:26]  * Tm_T is sooo stuck
[11:31] <Tm_T> metabot doesn't have cloak?!
[11:35] <Hobbsee> come on mailman. decide that i'm subscribed, and accept my maili please.
[11:35] <Tm_T> heh
[11:36] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: btw msg me if I'm need related to it
[11:36] <Tm_T> anyway, I'm now mostly off for today, see you children ->
[11:36] <Hobbsee> cya
[11:43] <Hobbsee> Daviey: please keep in mind that some people are still quite new at all this.  however, ardchoille was too harsh, and recognises that.
[11:43] <Daviey> Hobbsee: Yeah, i see that
[11:44]  * Hobbsee checks.  Daviey is not staff?
[11:44] <Daviey> no
[11:45] <Hobbsee> hm, i thought you were.  or a freenode helper.  either way.
[11:45] <Hobbsee> Daviey: which channels do you have ops in?
[11:45] <Daviey> dunno :)
[11:45] <Daviey> suck it and see with /opme :)
[11:45] <Hobbsee> Daviey: ?
[11:46] <Daviey> a couple of times i've tried and failed
[11:46] <Hobbsee> Daviey: your nick is private.  i can't tell.
[11:46] <Daviey> aww
[11:46] <Daviey> No i mean, i'm not sure exactly - if i see something i try and op
[11:46] <Hobbsee> look, you can be helpful, or i can pull your teeth out.
[11:47] <Daviey> #ubuntu-uk, #ubuntu-mythtv* i know for sure
[11:47] <Hobbsee> which channels do you have operator status on?
[11:47] <Hobbsee> you can tell yourself with /ns info Daviey
[11:47] <Daviey> awww
[11:49] <Daviey> Those two and associated sub channels only
[11:49] <Daviey> I thought it was more ;(
[12:22] <Hobbsee> Daviey: btw, /me --> afk is not the same as /nick Foo|afk && <pause> && /nick Foo
[12:23] <Hobbsee> or autoreplies
[12:23] <Hobbsee> ie /me is away:  away.  && <pause> && /me is back:  Gone:  30 seconds
[12:23] <Pici> /me is away: Doing something that no one else cares about
[12:25]  * Gary farts
[12:25] <Gary> sorry, could not resist
[12:26] <Hobbsee> Pici: yeah, that.
[12:28] <Daviey> Hobbsee: yeah, i realise that.. the chap did "/me is afk" (during mid discussion with someone) not nick change
[12:28] <Hobbsee> right, so it was a wrong call
[12:31]  * ikonia hates pointless use of the "/me" command in#ubuntu
[14:22] <LjL> Ubotwo`: nick Ubotwo`
[14:22] <LjL> Ubotwo`: nick Ubotwo
[14:22] <LjL> Ubotwo`: nick Ubotwo
[14:51] <LjL> i love it when i see my channel list shrinking and can't precisely understand why
[14:56] <Hobbsee> Gary: because you're a gazzak.  simple.
[14:57] <Gary> I love you too Hobbsee
[14:57] <Hobbsee> Gary: i know you do.  too bad for you though - you can't have me.
[14:58] <LjL> i'm sure he's desperate.
[14:58] <Gary> not in that way, eeew girls, cooties :-D
[15:20] <LjL> when i join channels like ##php i wonder how they can have more users than most distributions' support channels
[15:21] <ikonia> gazzak, isn't that the cardcian taylor off deep space 9 ?
[15:50] <ikonia> why is .ch addresses one of the most common trouble maker addresses ?
[15:50] <ikonia> spoofing or just rebelion against censorship ?
[15:50] <LjL> actually i never noticed that
[15:51] <ikonia> a good percentage seems to be .ch
[15:51] <ikonia> maybe just my perception
[16:07] <unagi> i was wondering what time today my ban would be lifted
[16:08] <LjL> unagi, "come back tomorrow" doesn't mean your ban gets lifted, it means we talk about it. i wasn't there, so i think i'll leave this one to the ops who were
[16:09] <unagi> i was informed by seveas to chill out for a day
[16:11] <unagi> my impression was that it was a 24 hour ban
[16:12] <LjL> unagi: well talk to seveas
[16:14] <jpatrick> vorian: pardon?
[16:15] <vorian> jpatrick: oh nothing :)
[16:15] <jpatrick> ah ok
[16:18] <Seveas> and those 24 hours haven't passed yet :)
[16:18] <Seveas> I know for sure since I banned you from home and I'm currently at work
[16:18] <Seveas> going home now, talk to you in a few hours
[16:56] <ubotu> In ubotu, nicoleamychung said: which is the right one for linux http://www.amule.org/files/download.php?file=161
[17:04] <profanephobia> can i get help for a sec?
[17:06] <jpatrick> flukierdonut: what's up?
[17:07] <flukierdonut> jpatrick: for some reason i cant send to #ubuntu-offtopic... just noticed it but i dont know how long its been this way... just thought i was being ignored :)
[17:08] <jpatrick> flukierdonut: maybe you've been muted by someone..
[17:10] <jpatrick> and I can't view the bantracker right now.
[17:10] <flukierdonut> oh ok
[17:12] <jpatrick> flukierdonut: I do not have the ops in #u-ot nor know why you were banned, so I suggest staying here till someone who does comes
[17:12] <flukierdonut> alrighty thanks
[17:13] <nalioth> flukierdonut: you are not gonna be unbanned
[17:13] <nalioth> evading bans is not nice at all
[17:13] <flukierdonut> what?
[17:13] <nalioth> flukierdonut: changing your nick to evade a ban is not acceptable
[17:13] <flukierdonut> i havent done anything though
[17:14] <flukierdonut> i didnt even know i was muted till a second ago
[17:15] <flukierdonut> nalioth: well can you explain why i was banned then? because it seems im the only one that doesnt know
[17:17] <nalioth> flukierdonut: i was about to remove it, but i saw you evaded  :(
[17:17] <nalioth> it'll be removed in accordance with the policies
[17:21] <flukierdonut> nalioth: but i dont know why i was banned in the first place
[17:22] <flukierdonut> nalioth: i would like an explanation please
[17:23] <nalioth> flukierdonut: the bantracker has no reason given.
[17:25] <flukierdonut> see i dont either
[17:26] <flukierdonut> but now that i see how this community treats its users, im ashamed to be a part of it
[17:28] <nalioth> flukierdonut: it was something you said, since it was a "mute"
[17:29] <flukierdonut> nalioth: thing is, i dont recall saying anything offensive. but thats cool i believe in guilty until proven innocent too
[17:29] <nalioth> let's look at this:  if you are given a court order to stay away from some place, and you go to the place anyway, and tell the police there a different name, are you obeying the rules?
[17:29] <ikonia> nalioth: pm please for a moment ?
[17:29] <nalioth> ikonia: of course
[17:30] <flukierdonut> nalioth: and lets look at it this way.. if you didnt even know there was a restraining order in place has the system done its job correctly? i think not
[17:32] <nalioth> flukierdonut: do you think the cops at the place you were barred from would let you stay, upon finding out who you really were?
[17:33] <flukierdonut> nalioth: ok heres the thing.. 1) i didnt know i was muted 2) i changed my nick not because i thought i was being clever but because i didnt know what the problem was 30 your blowing this out of proportion because ive done nothing wrong
[17:34] <nalioth> flukierdonut: you were banned for some reason.  we don't just randomly ban folks
[17:35] <flukierdonut> nalioth: ok i call bull on that... look back at the ubuntu-offtopic logs.. sometimes ops kick/ban for fun or a joke
[17:35] <flukierdonut> nalioth: usually lifted right after but it happens
[17:36] <flukierdonut> but yeah theres no evidence towards my guilt so i must be guilty... cause thats how things work
[17:37] <nalioth> flukierdonut: you appear in the ban tracker
[17:37] <nalioth> flukierdonut: until the banning op shows up, this is how it is.
[17:37] <flukierdonut> nalioth: ok so who does it show banned me?
[17:39] <flukierdonut> Seveas: remember that little kick-fest that was going on the other day.. any chance you muted me and forgot to lift it?
[18:04] <Seveas> flukierdonut, where?
[18:05] <Seveas> heh, you're profanephobia :)
[18:05] <Seveas> yeah, might have forgotten
[18:05] <Seveas> fixed
[18:09] <ikonia> would it be appropriate to ask a user called "init6" to change his nick, glancing at the channel it can look like "init6 or init 6" is a command to be excuted to fix things ?
[18:10] <Seveas> ikonia, neh
[18:10] <Seveas> ikonia, if a user calls himself reboot, that's fine :)
[18:10] <Pici> /nick sudorrmrf
[18:10] <ikonia> fine, just checking
[18:10] <nalioth> also let's not forget "sudosu"
[18:10] <Seveas> sudosu was a troll
[18:11] <nalioth> yes, he is.
[18:11] <Pici> s/was/is/
[18:11] <Seveas> nickname has not much to do with that, but it's a fitting trollish nick
[18:11] <ikonia> I'm just being cuatious
[18:11] <ikonia> cautious
[18:11] <Pici> No harm in that :)
[18:15] <Seveas> I'm going to unban unagi and riotkittie. If the end up fighting again, the ban will be for longer
[18:15] <Seveas> (that's in -offtopic)
[18:15] <Pici> Roger that.
[18:15] <Seveas> and I'm keeping an eye on it tonight if possible
[18:17] <flukierdonut> Seveas: ok thank you i appreciate it
[18:18] <ikonia> riotkitte is normally nice
[18:18] <Seveas> he is, but he's getting on unagis tits
[18:18] <Seveas> though that's mostly unagi unable to restrain himself
[18:21] <mc44> Seveas: also, he's a she :P
[18:21] <Pici> And we believe her.
[18:21] <Seveas> this is teh internets, gender is always unknown :)
[18:21]  * ikonia is a sexual
[18:21] <Pici> a sexual. or asexual?
[18:22] <ompaul> ohh dear
[18:22] <ompaul> Seveas, you should say the ... how many thymes do I have to tell ya ;-)
[18:22] <Seveas> ompaul, dill boy :p
[18:23]  * ompaul sees Seveas's dill boy, and raises him two scott adams and a dilbert
[18:23] <TheSheep> somebody mentioned sex?
[18:23] <nalioth> not with you, TheSheep
[18:23] <Seveas> no bestiality
[18:23] <jussi01> did your red flasher go off TheSheep ??
[18:23] <ompaul> $red
[18:23] <ikonia> ompaul: I need to catch up with you later
[18:23] <ompaul> need to
[18:23] <ompaul> ikonia, you better nab me now
[18:24] <ikonia> ompaul: can't I'm about to go home
[18:24] <ikonia> well, would like to
[18:24] <ompaul> ahhh
[18:24]  * TheSheep goes to stand in the corner
[18:24] <jussi01> Is anyone here on the Kubuntu users list?
[18:24] <ompaul> I am going out for dinner
[18:24] <ompaul> or so I believe at this stage
[18:24] <ikonia> ahhh I'll grab you tommorow
[18:24] <ikonia> :(
[18:24] <ompaul> ikonia, ping me and see what happens
[18:24] <ikonia> ok
[18:25] <ompaul> I may be back before midnight (more than likely given the people involved)
[18:25] <jussi01> ompaul: mother in law? :P
[18:26] <ikonia> ha ha
[18:26] <ompaul> jussi01, no, brother in law and sister in law with spouses
[18:26] <ompaul> and missus
[18:26] <Pici> mooses?
[18:27]  * ompaul werks the kraft  while waiting on the peoples decisions if kiddies are cared for and stuff
[18:28] <jussi01> hello PriceChild
[18:28] <ompaul> Pici, no mooses please the sheep is watching btw see icanhascheezburger and the big food one http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/funny-pictures-cat-deer-glass-door.jpg if you can laughs
[18:29] <Pici> http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/11/21/the-we-started-kissing-like-this/
[18:30] <ompaul> ratz
[18:30] <PriceChild> Hey jussi01
[18:33] <PriceChild> LjL, <lod____> just pasting in ubuntu.... with *four* second intervals. :P
[18:34] <Pici> LjL: the floodbots did the !paste, but I kicked him before they did anything else.
[18:35] <PriceChild> ah i didn't see them doing anything
[18:35] <PriceChild> I *don't* expect them to do anything either on someone pasting that slowly.
[18:35] <nalioth> http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/funny-pictures-brave-chicken-kfc.jpg
[18:38] <ompaul> ikonia, I will be going out for about 8:15 pm
[18:38] <ompaul> :)
[18:38] <ikonia> I'm leaving now, so I'll try to catch you before you go
[18:54] <LjL> well PriceChild, what can i do... if i change the bot to 4 seconds interval, we'll eventually meet someone whose client throttles with 5 seconds intervals.
[18:54] <LjL> or some troll who does it on purpose.
[18:54] <PriceChild> LjL, see the next line :)
[18:54] <LjL> and the longer the interval, the higher the chances to catch innocents
[18:54] <PriceChild> wait no, the line after that
[18:54] <PriceChild> indeed
[18:55] <LjL> PriceChild: the bots are actually subtler than "3 seconds intervals". it's three seconds for the first two lines, then it increases
[18:55] <LjL> still, they must be "triggered" by two lines at 3 sec distance
[18:56] <Pici> LjL: It was triggered, but I kicked also, so theres a chance that it might have muted had I not done anything.
[18:57] <LjL> Pici: yes, it would have. the first two lines were at *two* seconds distance
[18:57] <Pici> I'm too impatient.
[19:24] <jpatrick> *crap*
[19:27]  * nalioth points to the bathroom
[19:27]  * jpatrick was refering to danroj
[19:29] <Pici> unagi: Can we help you?
[19:29] <unagi> just waiting on seveas
[19:30] <Pici> unagi: you're ban in #ubuntu-offtopic was lifted
[19:30] <Pici> s/you're/your/
[19:30] <unagi> oh well thank you i wasnt sure, my internet will inadvertently jump around ips =/
[19:31] <Pici> unagi: well, let us know if you can't join.
[19:31] <unagi> have a great day
[19:59] <jussi01> hrmph, cant get listadmin to work for me...
[20:19]  * jpatrick points at #ubuntu-devel
[20:19] <jpatrick> since I don't have the ops there
[20:20] <jpatrick> or, it could just be some other random guy
[20:22] <jpatrick> http://dnausers.d-n-a.net/dnetGOjg/020885.htm <- wth?
[20:22] <jpatrick> nm
[20:22] <Pici> A mis-paste I believe.
[20:55] <Mez> !ping
[20:55] <ubotu> ping: unknown host
[20:55] <Mez> aha...
[20:55] <Mez> laggy
[20:56] <PriceChild> you're laggy?
[20:56] <Mez> am not now it seems
[20:56] <Mez> most annoying thing EVER just happened to me
[20:56] <PriceChild> Mez, wrong channel?
[20:56] <PriceChild> s3v, hey there. How can I help?
[20:56] <Mez> nope... not really... just rambling
[20:56] <s3v> +PriceChild : i would like to request a cloak? :)
[20:57] <PriceChild> s3v, could I have your launchpad url please.
[20:57] <PriceChild> Also have you linked a secondary nickname to this, and set an email?
[20:58] <s3v> see private msg
[20:58] <PriceChild> s3v, an ubuntu/member cloak?
[20:58] <s3v> that would be nice
[20:59] <s3v> secondary nick & email set too
[20:59] <PriceChild> s3v, I'm afraid ubuntu/member cloaks are only for recognised Ubuntu Members, approved by the Community Council or a Council they have approved.
[20:59] <Seeker`> @btlogin
[20:59] <PriceChild> !member | s3v
[20:59] <ubotu> s3v: Want to become an Ubuntu member? Look at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember
[20:59] <s3v> ok thanks i will look further into it :)
[20:59] <PriceChild> s3v, if you want, you could have an "unaffiliated/s3v" cloak?
[21:00] <s3v> ok
[21:00] <PriceChild> is that a yes? :)
[21:00] <s3v> yes :)
[21:01] <PriceChild> nalioth, s3v would like an unaffiliated cloak please.
[21:16] <Gary> PriceChild, nalioth is marked as away, want me to do it?
[21:16] <PriceChild> please :)
[21:16] <PriceChild> wasn't away when i asked
[21:17] <Gary> they you go s3v
[21:17] <s3v> ah thank you!
[21:18] <s3v> thanks for beeing here & goodnight ;)
[21:36]  * PriceChild headdesks
[21:36] <Seeker`> PriceChild: whats wrong?
[21:38] <LjL> poor desk
[21:38] <PriceChild> nano__ and azexian
[22:20] <jussi01> @btlogin
[22:22] <PriceChild> Jack_Sparrow, spammer on pm?
[22:23] <Jack_Sparrow> Yes
[22:23] <Jack_Sparrow> [14:18] [Notice] -Noelia_- Hello, Do you want to play with me?1º-lets go to http://lordserer.blogspot.com/ 2º- click in the right square3º- returns to the page and in the bar from google that sideswrite singles in australia4º- Goes to singles5º- Search my photos}
[22:23] <PriceChild> Gary, ^
[22:23] <Gary> what channel?
[22:23] <Jack_Sparrow> Ubuntu
[22:24] <Gary> automated on join?
[22:24] <Gary> ie would a /cycle do it?
[22:24] <Jack_Sparrow> PriceChild: Was that incorrect for me to do?
[22:25] <PriceChild> Jack_Sparrow, not really. talk to gary :)
[22:25] <Jack_Sparrow> Gary: What should be done with those?
[22:26] <Gary> tell me or nalioth what is happening and when, and we can investigate
[22:26] <jussi01> JimmyDee joined #ubuntu about 5 mins ago...
[22:26] <Jack_Sparrow> np..  what all are you looking for?
[22:27] <Pici> Gary: What are we telling you that I may have missed while I was disconnected?
[22:27] <Pici> jussi01: is he supposed to be banned?
[22:27] <Gary> Pici, a pm spammer in #ubuntu, I think
[22:27] <Pici> Ah.
[22:27] <jussi01> Pici: no, just he has about 10 bans in -offtopic, so worth watching...
[22:27] <LjL> yes, ban, spammed #ubuntu-fr as well
[22:28] <LjL> noelia_ that is
[22:35] <nalioth> LjL: confirmed?
[22:39] <nalioth> Jack_Sparrow: usually an onjoin spammer gets klined (as it is usually one of the regular bots)
[22:51] <Jack_Sparrow> Thanks for letting me know.. Still new to all of this and how hard to push etc.
[22:53] <LjL> nalioth, confirmed in -fr, i didn't actually see what he/she/it did in #ubuntu, i guess it was PM. in -fr he/she/it pasted:
[22:54] <LjL> [Tue Jan 22 2008] [22:02:19] Join       Noelia_ has joined this channel (n=Noelia@254.pool85-50-99.dynamic.orange.es). <Noelia_>  Hello, <Noelia_>  Want to play with me? <Noelia_>  1 - http // lordserer.blogspot.com <Noelia_>  2 - click on the right square <Noelia_>  3 - returns to the page and the bar that really google <Noelia_>  Pon casadasbcn <Noelia_>  4 - Go to Women seeking men <Noelia_>  5 - Find my photos there [Tue Jan 22 2008] [22:02:44] Part
[22:54] <LjL>     Noelia_ has left this channel.
[22:57] <JensNDS> hi
[22:58] <Pici> JensNDS: Hello, how can we help you today?
[22:58] <JensNDS> my girlfriend mag_mor was banned in ubuntu. but why?
[22:58] <JensNDS> yes
[22:58] <Pici> One moment, let me check our logs.
[22:58] <JensNDS> Pici: mag_mor on freenode
[23:00] <Pici> JensNDS: I see a mute, but it was removed a few minutes later.
[23:00] <Pici> She was pasting (probably accidentally) her log of the channel to the channel.
[23:01] <Pici> JensNDS: Can she still not get into the channel?
[23:01] <JensNDS> well...i don't know
[23:01] <JensNDS> one moment please
[23:02] <JensNDS> * Kann #ubuntu  nicht betreten (Du bist gebannt) translated: can't join #ubuntu you 're banned
[23:03] <Pici> JensNDS: Let me check something else, hold on
[23:03] <JensNDS> ok
[23:03] <PriceChild> Pici, there is a ban active
[23:03] <PriceChild> noticing it to you now
[23:04]  * Pici checks
[23:04] <PriceChild> Its not on the bantracker
[23:04] <Pici> arg.
[23:04]  * PriceChild looks at age the old fashioned way
[23:05] <PriceChild> gah server i'm on has had a split and can't see it
[23:05] <JensNDS> very thank for your help  :)
[23:05] <JensNDS> thanks
[23:07] <PriceChild> wonder if irclogs. filters out bans
[23:07] <JensNDS> :)
[23:08] <Pici> PriceChild: I see it in my logs, but I'm not sure what it was about..
[23:08] <PriceChild> Nothing in my logs.
[23:08] <PriceChild> pastebin?
[23:08] <JensNDS> she told me he was very quitly in the channel :)
[23:08] <JensNDS> she
[23:10] <Pici> PriceChild: see notice
[23:11] <JensNDS> ok, ok mag_mor now here in the channel...
[23:12] <JensNDS> bye
[23:12] <PriceChild> Pici, can't remember what channel i was in, again please?
[23:13] <PriceChild> Pici, quit message
[23:13] <Pici> PriceChild: I dont speak german and google translate wasnt much help
[23:13] <PriceChild> two people same message
[23:14] <PriceChild> "pisspott" gives it away
[23:14] <Pici> "If a Piss Pot to a bread basket, it starts to stink."
[23:14]  * Pici ??
[23:14] <PriceChild> I assume that was the reason for it.
[23:15] <Pici> ompaul: around?
[23:19] <mag_mor> it is a german saying and means, if someone tries to play something better, than he is, it starts to smell
[23:33] <LetsGo67> I have been unrightfully banned.
[23:34] <LetsGo67> For discussing an open source technology for Ubuntu.
[23:34] <LetsGo67> PriceChild claims it is offtopic, it is not.
[23:34] <PriceChild> LetsGo67, what is "ontopic" for #ubuntu?
[23:34] <ompaul> Pici, I am
[23:34] <ompaul> now
[23:34] <ompaul> was missing for hours
[23:35] <PriceChild> LetsGo67, How did you know about this channel so quickly?
[23:35] <LetsGo67> PriceChild: Adobe Flash install is currently broken, see « /msg ubotu flash
[23:35] <LetsGo67> Does that answer your question?
[23:35] <PriceChild> LetsGo67, answer my questino please
[23:35] <PriceChild> no
[23:35] <nalioth> LetsGo67: #ubuntu is a support channel.  Last I looked, Ubuntu did not ship with microsoft products
[23:35] <LetsGo67> PriceChild, it's called I use Ubuntu.
[23:36] <PriceChild> LetsGo67, if you don't know what "ontopic" is, you don't know what "offtopic" is.
[23:36] <nalioth> LetsGo67: you are more than welcome to discuss SilverLight in #ubuntu-offtopic (that's what it's there for), but #ubuntu is for Ubuntu support.
[23:36] <LetsGo67> Nalioth: last I checked, Moonlight was not developed or sponsored by Microsoft.
[23:36] <nalioth> LetsGo67: the point is: does it ship with Ubuntu ?
[23:37] <LetsGo67> Y-E-S.
[23:37] <ompaul> LetsGo67, you endeavored to have a discussion in #ubuntu - guess what -- That is not what it is there for
[23:37] <LetsGo67> !moonlight
[23:37] <ompaul> It is there for a specific purpose and discussion is not it
[23:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about moonlight - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:38] <LetsGo67> I wanted to know if Moonlight was any better than Adobe Flash 9.
[23:38] <ompaul> !info moonlight
[23:38] <ubotu> Package moonlight does not exist in gutsy
[23:38] <ompaul> so therefore it is not in a supported package
[23:38] <nalioth> LetsGo67: that is a question for #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:38] <ompaul> so therefore it is offtopic at this time
[23:39] <LetsGo67> Moonlight is a relatively new technology, Ubuntu takes forever to upgrade its packages.
[23:39] <LetsGo67> Glad to see an LTS coming.  Hopefully, they'll include Novell Moonlight.
[23:39] <stdin> that's not the point however
[23:39] <PriceChild> LetsGo67, you do not understand how ubuntu works "takes forever to upgrade packages"
[23:39] <PriceChild> you don't understand how #ubuntu works
[23:39] <PriceChild> !guidelines > LetsGo67
[23:39] <PriceChild> Read the message from ubotu and come back in a few days please.
[23:41] <ompaul> super kirby artist?
[23:41] <ompaul> got all the hall marks
[23:41] <ompaul> Pici, you called?
[23:41] <ompaul> Pici, I am going to head to the land of the sleepy
[23:41]  * Gary joins ompaul
[23:41] <Gary> erm
[23:42] <ubotu> Paladine called the ops in #ubuntuforums ()
[23:45] <ompaul> ohh
[23:47] <Gary> umm, dunno if I like that op on ops call of jdong's
[23:49] <ompaul> Gary, who knows
[23:49] <Gary> I deopped him
[23:50] <Gary> Pricey is there, and he'd only get hassle being opped
[23:51] <PriceChild> mhmm
[23:51] <stdin> nalioth, Gary: just has some "adult" spam in #kubuntu
[23:52] <Gary> damn, I missed it :'(
[23:52] <stdin> [23:49]  <Exotics2> Hi all...   FREE MEMBERSHIP !  SHARE AND BE A MEMBER ! Thank you !.......
[23:52] <nalioth> klined
[23:52] <nalioth> stdin: no need
[23:52] <Gary> stdin, if it starts being mutli channel, nalioth is the... ahh :p
[23:52] <stdin> nalioth: wasn't sure if you were around, thanks
[23:53] <PriceChild> So spam like that needs to be multi-channel before action?
[23:53] <nalioth> PriceChild: at a certain level yes.
[23:53] <nalioth> PriceChild: but if we recognize it, no
[23:53] <PriceChild> ah ok
[23:53] <ompaul> Pici, you called
[23:53] <nalioth> we try to talk to the spammers with a new MO, PriceChild
[23:53] <nalioth> "try" being the key word
[23:54] <PriceChild> I can understand the whole "spamming against the group/channel, rather than network"
[23:54] <PriceChild> MO?
[23:54] <nalioth> modus operandi
[23:54] <PriceChild> thanks
[23:56] <ompaul> method of operation :-)
[23:56] <ompaul> modality ....
[23:58] <LjL> mo-mo-mo' spam!
[23:59] <ompaul> some lateral thinking, modal, vi is a modal editor, ed the first two letters of a guys name who may also share a name with an editor called ed, e being the first of those two letters, we get to emacs, from where we get to lisp machine, we get man machine, we get robots, we get spam thanks for breaking my train of thought LjL ;-)
[23:59]  * ompaul forces LjL to drink a glass of water


[15:44] <RedSingularity> bdmurray: does ubuntu QA officially support the E17 window manager?
[15:44] <jpds> People use E17?
[15:44] <jhobbs> lol
[15:44] <pedro_> is that still alive?
[15:44] <roadmr> E17, now that's a blast from the past
[15:44] <RedSingularity> pedro_: I was surprised as well :/
[15:44] <bdmurray> RedSingularity: What do you mean by officially support?
[15:44] <pedro_> wow that reminds me of window maker and all the other windows managers from the 90's
[15:45] <jpds> RedSingularity: As a singular point, surely you believe in Unity?
[15:45] <RedSingularity> bdmurray: a user is having a problem with update-manager when using that window manager
[15:45] <RedSingularity> jpds: lol
[15:46] <RedSingularity> jpds: still a gnome user here :)  Not ready to move on.
[15:46] <mvo> RedSingularity: what kind of problem exactly?
[15:46] <mvo> I think I will take the opportunity to try e17 again after ~10y or so ;)
[15:46] <RedSingularity> ohhh mvo!  Man of the hour.  bug 792995
[15:46] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 792995 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "update manager will not install updates (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/792995
[15:47] <RedSingularity> mvo: I talked with you briefly about this problem yesterday.
[15:47] <mvo> hey RedSingularity! triager of the day! :)
[15:47] <RedSingularity> lol
[15:48] <mvo> RedSingularity: sorry, I probably missed that bug yesterday
[15:48] <RedSingularity> mvo: no you mentioned to look at xsessions which was clean.
[15:48] <mvo> aha, cool, memory like a goldfish, I remember now
[15:49] <RedSingularity> mvo: When the user started gnome the problem cleared up.  He thinks it may be a daemon not starting with E17....
[15:49] <mvo> RedSingularity: I try it now
[15:52] <RedSingularity> mvo: are we even obligated to fix that?  Thats why I was asking if we officially support it.
[15:55] <mvo> RedSingularity: well, we don't need to, but if its easy to fix …
[15:55] <RedSingularity> mvo: true....easy is always good
[15:57] <mvo> RedSingularity: hm, can't reproduce in e17
[15:58] <RedSingularity> mvo: guess its just his local setup.  Want to close it as unsupported then?
[15:59] <mvo> yeah, we can close it as unreproducable
[16:00] <RedSingularity> mvo: Alright. I will take care of that if u want.
[16:00] <mvo> please do
[16:00] <mvo> thanks!
[16:00] <RedSingularity> thanks for having a look ;)
[16:54] <bil21al> help
[16:54] <bil21al> any body notice this issue
[16:54] <bil21al> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/865612
[16:54] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 865612 in unity (Ubuntu) "Unity slow at shutting down (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[16:54] <bil21al> can i add the lightdm in it??
[17:47] <pulb> hi, I've found a bug in oneiric which is pretty critical for me but fixing should take minutes (I attached a fix). could someone responsible please have a look and predict if a fix will make it into oneiric? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gconf2/+bug/864615
[17:47] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 864615 in gconf2 (Ubuntu) "Thumbnailers are missing in gconf (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[17:47] <pulb> here is a snipped to reproducte the issue:
[17:47] <pulb> : http://paste.ubuntu.com/702869/
[17:51] <hggdh> pulb: best place to ask is at #ubuntu-desktop; personally, I think it seems simple, but I do not deal with the desktop
[17:52] <pulb> lol, i posted this in #ubuntu, #ubuntu+1, #ubuntu-bugs already and all said i'm wrong there ;-)
[17:53] <bdmurray> mvo: bug 863792 - I'd be collecting the right stuff correct?
[17:53] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 863792 in synaptic (Ubuntu) "bug reports would benefit from an apport package hook (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/863792
[17:57] <pedro_> that is using gsettings now..
[17:57] <pedro_> pulb,  hggdh ^
[17:58] <pedro_> the thumbnailers are available at /usr/share/thumbnailers/
[17:58] <hggdh> hah!
[17:58] <pedro_> and you can check the key with:
[17:58] <hggdh> nothing like pedro_ on the rescue ;-)
[17:58] <pedro_> gsettings list-keys org.gnome.desktop.thumbnailers
[17:59] <pedro_> same for cache on :
[17:59] <pedro_> gsettings list-keys org.gnome.desktop.thumbnail-cache
[17:59] <pedro_> its probably available trough dconf-editor as well
[17:59] <hggdh> checking
[18:03] <pulb> pedro_: the api affected is this: http://developer.gnome.org/gnome-desktop/stable/GnomeDesktopThumbnailFactory.html
[18:03] <pulb> i guess there is no replacement for gtk2 apps yet
[18:04] <pedro_> just saw the discussion on the desktop channel
[21:19] <jibel> bdmurray, hey, what's your opinion on bug 850005 ? it's another case where the retracer consolidates unrelated issues.
[21:19] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 850005 in jockey (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 1 other project) "jockey-backend crashed with SystemError: E:Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) (affects: 48) (dups: 48) (heat: 394)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/850005
[21:23] <bdmurray> jibel: whatever package manager is being used for the backend should return a more verbose error than (2)
[21:24] <bdmurray> jibel: and probably the apport retracer should grow a ignore this Traceback feature
[21:26] <jibel> bdmurray, I think jockey returns that code, jockey.log contains the full error message.
[21:27] <jibel> bdmurray, so the bug here would be in jockey to return a more useful trace right ?
[21:27] <jibel> so apport wouldn't be confused
[21:27] <bdmurray> Well I suspect jockey is using aptdaemon or apt or something to install the package so its probably an underlying package
[21:27] <bdmurray> but yes
[21:28] <bdmurray> and then I think an apport bug should be opened to specifically block automatic consolidation of some crashes
[21:30] <jibel> ack, thanks
[21:30] <bdmurray> jibel: there was another bug like this too right?  I need to make a list to sort out for Precise
[21:35] <jibel> bdmurray, yes, there was others. bug 808202 for example. It also happens with stack traces in some cases
[21:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 808202 in apport (Ubuntu) "apport wrongly duplicates package installation failure reports. (affects: 14) (dups: 15) (heat: 132)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/808202


[02:28] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[05:57] <lordievader> Good mornig
[06:05] <marcoagpinto> Hello!
[06:19] <ducasse> good morning
[06:27] <marcoagpinto> less than a year for 22.04
[06:27] <marcoagpinto> it is good news
[07:05] <Mekaneck> iirc you use windows, why even get hyped for 22.04?
[07:07] <Mekaneck> 87 days until 21.10 comes out
[07:40] <marcoagpinto> Mekaneck: because I compile my software in Ubuntu
[07:40] <marcoagpinto> have you forgotten?
[07:41] <marcoagpinto> and I have a VM for dangerous sites
[07:41] <Mekaneck> yep, forgot about that or/and even missed that part
[07:42] <marcoagpinto> https://proofingtoolgui.org/
[07:42] <marcoagpinto> :)
[07:42] <marcoagpinto> an open-source project
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> !next is <reply> Impish Indri is the codename for Ubuntu 21.10. For technical support, see #ubuntu-next - For testing and QA feedback and help, see #ubuntu-quality.
 Your edit request has been forwarded to #ubuntu-irc.  Thank you for your attention to detail
[17:40] <oerheks> interesting, different usb-c cables https://sa.lj.am/usbccccc/
[20:13] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue 692 is on the streets: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue692 :D