[00:04] <Daviey> jcastro,
[00:29] <mhall119> cjohnston: sure thing, first can i borrow a ski mask and some bolt cutters?
[00:30] <mhall119> oh wait, you just want service don't you
[00:30] <mhall119> in that case, ski mask is optional
[00:37] <cjohnston> lol
[00:56]  * mhall119 is starting an new hobby webapp
[00:56] <mhall119> https://launchpad.net/readfeeder
[00:56] <mhall119> and by "hobby" I mean something for the wife's work
[01:04] <jcastro> Technoviking: around?
[01:50] <akgraner> Grrr - my computer locks up with every update I install...:-(
[01:53]  * paultag hugs akgraner
[01:54] <akgraner> paultag, back at ya!   My cover's blown, he saw me laughing and looking at him
[02:00] <akgraner> haha
[02:01] <akgraner> well that is one way to do it...
[02:01] <paultag> akgraner: aye! :)
[02:01] <paultag> I wish I had my tactical Netbook
[02:01] <paultag> I'd sit next to him and play music over it's speakers
[02:01] <akgraner> did he turn his music down?
[02:01] <paultag> akgraner: a bit, aye, but not nearly enough to not be rude
[02:02] <Pendulum> I like the dancing idea
[02:02] <akgraner> See if you can get everyone in the lab to sing and dance with you...
[02:02] <paultag> not a bad idea...
[02:02] <Pendulum> flash mob time!
[02:03] <akgraner> or ask everyone to go up to him and tell him how much they like his choice of music
[02:03] <paultag> hehehehehe
[02:03] <paultag> I wonder if I can find him on twitter and get a whole bunch of my friends to tweet at him
[02:03] <paultag> nah, that's lame
[02:03] <paultag> dancing is much better
[02:04] <paultag> I just gave him the thumbs up. It went /okay/
[02:04] <akgraner> oh do the Carlton Dance and sing tom jones songs
[02:04] <paultag> he just looked away
[02:04] <paultag> YES! I *love* the carlton dance!
[02:04] <paultag> I do that at parties
[02:04] <akgraner> and linux Fests right?
[02:04] <paultag> duh!
[02:05] <akgraner> Pete just walked into my office then walked out mumbling something about me building my own empire ....
[02:06] <akgraner> yes!
[02:06] <paultag> hahaha
[02:06] <akgraner> I asked him to knock on my imaginary "Les Nessman" door next time and wait to be invited in...
[02:06] <akgraner> I can't repeat what he said to that
[02:07] <Pendulum> haha
[02:07] <paultag> hahahaha
[02:07] <akgraner> yeah it's a laugh a minute :-/
[02:08] <Pendulum> akgraner: ya know we love you
[02:08] <paultag> I hate my typing class, gah
[02:08] <paultag> Today: Flyers in Comic Sans, (with word art!!!!!!1111!!)
[02:08] <paultag> someone kill me, please
[02:09] <paultag> please
[02:09] <akgraner> paultag, sending you hugs and noise canceling headphones
[02:09] <paultag> akgraner: you have no idea how welcome that is right now
[02:09] <akgraner> and a clue bat...to give to someone
[02:09] <paultag> aye!
[02:10] <paultag> one more month
[02:10] <paultag> that's it. all I have to do, then school's out forever
[02:10] <akgraner> you should make your own count down banner to sanity and reason!
[02:11] <paultag> hummmmmmm!
[02:12] <akgraner> just sayin' at least you would be able to smile when you see it...
[02:12] <paultag> you know when you're running, and you've been running for like 4 miles, and you're just beat to crap, but you have one more to go? I'm feeling that right now
[02:12] <paultag> I'm so happy I don't have another 2 miles to go, that's all I'm ganna say :)
[02:13] <akgraner> :-)  you'll catch your second wind I am sure....
[02:13] <paultag> :)
[02:14] <akgraner> gotta go..have a great evening!  Catch you all tomorrow - thinking about Jono's new meme thing...
[02:16] <paultag> night akgraner
[02:24] <jono> akgraner, :-)
[02:34] <mhall119> jono has a new meme?
[02:34] <mhall119> wait, jono had an old meme?
[02:38]  * mhall119 clearly has gotten behind on his rss reading
[04:22] <Technoviking> jcastro: what is up
[04:33] <paultag> dude, I need to write up a promo piece
[04:33] <paultag> turns out the cleveland clinic (a huge (HUGE) hospital system) uses Ubuntu on their tablets that they give to incoming folks
[04:34] <paultag> I was talking with them about how to better manage them, but it's rad they do it.
[05:05] <mhall119> paultag: that's awesome
[05:08] <nigelb> paultag: \o/
[05:59] <duanedesign> paultag: thanks for reviewing gaurav_pawaskar's package today.
[08:01] <dholbach> good morning
[08:02] <nigelb> hi dholbach
[08:03] <dholbach> hi nigelb
[08:18] <dpm> good morning all
[08:25] <duanedesign> 'lo dpm
[08:25] <dpm> hey duanedesign :)
[08:26] <duanedesign> the closer we get to uds the sadder i am i could not go. *sigh*
[08:26] <duanedesign> just make me appreciate it in October that much more :)
[09:06] <kim0> morning all
[09:06] <nigelb> heya kim
[09:06] <nigelb> erm kim0
[09:06] <nigelb> :P
[09:06] <kim0> hey :)
[09:30] <duanedesign> morning nigelb kim0
[10:24] <nigelb> *whee* new laptop \o/
[10:43] <jussi> nigelb: what did you get?
[10:44] <nigelb> jussi: a dell inspiron (for work)
[10:44] <nigelb> Need to install Ubuntu on it tonight \o/
[10:44] <jussi> bwahaha
[10:45] <nigelb> jussi: which bit is lolworthy?
[11:36] <duanedesign> cool nigelb
[11:37] <nigelb> duanedesign: :)
[11:37] <dholbach> pleia2, popey, Technoviking: CC meeting in 23m?
[11:41] <nigelb> JFo: still stuck without sleep huh?
[11:42] <popey> yup
[11:54] <JFo> nigelb, yep
[11:55] <Technoviking> morning all
[11:55]  * nigelb hugs JFo
[11:55] <nigelb> hello Technoviking
[11:55] <JFo> thanks nigelb
[11:56] <nigelb> JFo: did you plot invading jono? :-P
[11:57] <JFo> I have, we are planning and plotting and scheming
[11:57] <Technoviking> dholbach: I'm here, green elf needs caffeine badly:)
[11:57] <JFo> mosly just the Sand Fran./San Jose area
[11:57] <JFo> Technoviking, wizard is about to diiie
[11:57] <Technoviking> heh
[11:57]  * JFo loved Gauntlet :)
[11:58] <popey> Wizard needs food, badly!
[11:58]  * popey notes "Green elf" implies Gauntlet II

[11:59] <Technoviking> NERD!!!
[11:59] <popey> :)
[11:59]  * popey collects old arcade games :D
[12:12] <paultag> duanedesign: np
[12:17] <nigelb> *cough* -offtopic *cough* place for everything and anything :P
[12:19] <jussi> nigelb: no....
[13:39] <paultag> nigelb: how's whiskey tango foxtrot going?
[13:39] <nigelb> paultag: roadblocked at work :)
[13:39] <nigelb> fixing a fscking shell script :P
[13:39] <paultag> nigelb: righto
[14:06] <mhall119> morning
[14:06] <paultag> moin
[14:06] <nigelb> hey mhall119
[14:16] <AlanBell> http://arshaw.com/fullcalendar/ would be nice to integrate with summit
[14:25] <mhall119> AlanBell: integrate how?
[14:27] <AlanBell> replacing the scary bits in the schedule
[14:27] <AlanBell> bit of a big job though
[14:29] <jcastro> AlanBell: ours drags and drops already
[14:29] <jcastro> we just have to toggle it for certain people
[14:29] <AlanBell> I know
[14:31] <AlanBell> anyhow, I just thought it looked kind of nice. How is the Etherpad server coming on?
[14:34] <jussi> ooh, yes, this I want to know also
[14:41] <nigelb> what the...
[14:41] <nigelb> jcastro assigned me a bug?
[14:42] <nigelb> *facepalm* yes, why didn't I see this earlier :(
[14:42] <jcastro> I did?
[14:43] <nigelb> yeah, I knew of it. Just fell of my list
[15:40] <dholbach> dpm,  nice post
[15:41] <dpm> dholbach, cool, glad you liked it, thanks :)
[15:43] <Ronnie> ping kim0
[15:43] <kim0> Ronnie: hey
[15:43] <Ronnie> kim0: im making progress on the maps.ubuntu.com ...
[15:44] <Ronnie> a lot of it is working already
[15:44] <kim0> Ronnie: woohoo :)
[15:44] <Ronnie> now i need some toughts about the content of the different marker types
[15:44] <kim0> Ronnie: I know I havent been able to help much .. hope it's going good
[15:45] <kim0> Ronnie: we should be able to add/del new marker types thru django admin UI right
[15:45] <Ronnie> right
[15:45] <Ronnie> what should be nice (optional) information that could be shown for the "Ubuntu User" and "Ubuntu Server", any ideas?
[15:46] <kim0> Ronnie: I had added some info to the wiki page a few days ago .. not sure if you had seen those
[15:46] <Ronnie> i've seen the first comments you did
[15:46] <kim0> yeah they are those
[15:46] <Ronnie> then csenger added some more
[15:47] <Ronnie> i agreed on all of them, and developed the code with that ideas in mind
[15:48] <kim0> Ronnie: Maybe for user: name, pic, url
[15:48] <kim0> perhaps with a text field for notes
[15:48] <kim0> nothing that allows html or scripts ..etc
[15:48] <Ronnie> for each marker, there is an "Title, Content(which is different for each marker type), an url for more info, and the ability to add tags
[15:49] <Ronnie> the content should be a dictionary with fields, which should be rendered by template (at least thats my tought)
[15:49] <kim0> and what's Content(user) and Content(server)
[15:50] <Ronnie> the attributes of that content i haven't thought of yet
[15:51] <Ronnie> for the server, we could have: Ubuntu Version, ....
[15:51] <kim0> Ronnie: uptime, function (maybe multiple select)
[15:51] <kim0> so people can brag about uptime on a global scale :)
[15:52] <Ronnie> uptime is hard, because that needs to be updates each second ;)
[15:52] <kim0> hehe
[15:52] <kim0> hmm
[15:52] <kim0> jono: hey
[15:52] <Ronnie> Type of server, "webserver, mailserver, proxy, fileserver"
[15:53] <jono> hey all
[15:53] <jono> hey kim0
[15:53] <kim0> Ronnie: yeah something like that .. with possibly custom at the end
[15:53] <Ronnie> indeed
[15:53] <salgado> does anybody know how lp:summit is deployed in production? mod_wsgi, I'd guess?
[15:55] <Ronnie> any more ideas for the server content?
[15:56] <kim0> Ronnie: let's get a version running first, then we can collect more creative feedback from a wider audience .. shouldn't be too hard to add optional fields later I hope
[15:57] <kim0> Ronnie: thanks for the great work man :)
[15:57] <Ronnie> kim0: i want to use a dictionary + template, so if we update the template, more dictionary_keys we can use. So it should be really easy ;)
[15:57] <AlanBell> jcastro: do we know who is providing a server for etherpad to be tested/deployed on? Is it Canonical IS or the cloud team or someone else?
[15:58] <kim0> Ronnie: sounds really good
[15:58] <jcastro> I am not sure who is doing what
[15:58] <jcastro> AlanBell: I think kirkland should know
[15:58] <AlanBell> ooh, a recipe for nobody doing anything :(
[15:58] <jcastro> AlanBell: I am swamped with scheduling unfortunately
[15:59] <Ronnie> kim0: feel free to add additional marker types and paramters: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/mapuntu/API#Marker%20Types
[15:59]  * kim0 nods
[16:00] <Ronnie> kim0: im also creating a server .py script, that ask the information interactively, so it should be easy to add the marker
[16:00]  * kim0 hugs Ronnie :)
[16:01] <kim0> sounds awesome
[16:01]  * AlanBell goes to find kirkland
[16:02] <jono> dpm, about set?
[16:03] <dpm> jono, yep!
[17:02] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day
[17:02] <dholbach> see you all tomorrow!
[17:09] <jcastro> jussi: here's the list of rooms btw: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/
[17:10] <jcastro> jussi: I'll have the remote participation page made today
[17:10] <akgraner> jcastro, go you!
[17:10] <dpm> ok, calling it a day here too...
[17:11] <dpm> have a nice rest of the day and see you tomorrow!
[17:19] <jussi> jcastro: nice, Ill get those sorted soon.
[17:41] <jussi> bah, how can ftp be so crap.
[17:42] <nigelb> jussi: uploading file by file?
[17:42] <nigelb> (it is crap that way)
[17:42] <nigelb> I suggest uploading a zipped file and unzipping on server (if you have permissions to do so)
[17:42] <jussi> nigelb: how is better?
[17:42] <jussi> no, I cant.
[17:43] <jussi> Ive only got ftp access, no cli
[17:43] <pleia2> jono: I'm working with the Ubuntu-HU folks to do some night tourism on wednesday and thursday, how do we get things up on http://uds.ubuntu.com/social-events/ ? do you anticipate more sponsors doing events that may conflict?
[17:43] <nigelb> jussi: no recursive file upload.
[17:43] <pleia2> (or if there is someone else I can ask, please let me know :))
[17:43] <jono> pleia2, jcastro can help get that content up
[17:44] <jono> pleia2, as for social events, I believe there is Mon, Tue and Fri night things
[17:44] <jcastro> pleia2: send me a mail with all the info
[17:44] <pleia2> jcastro: ok, once we get all the details I'll let you know, thanks!
[17:53] <Pendulum> pleia2: is the blind dinner on there yet?
[17:53] <Pendulum> (as an optional social event)
[17:53] <pleia2> Pendulum: I suggested it to Hanji to get some details (location & neighborhood, whether there are other things in the area we can do that evening)
[17:54] <Pendulum> ok
[17:54] <Pendulum> cool :)
[17:54] <Pendulum> (I just noticed the interest on the accessibility blog :) )
[17:54] <pleia2> *Hajni
[17:54] <pleia2> cool
[17:54] <nigelb> I'd like to try it, especially after kirkland blogged about his experience
[18:12] <jussi> if anyone has come across good hosting that is also environmentally friendly (and really is, not just says they are), please let me know.
[18:13] <czajkows1i> jussi: what kinda hosting are you looking for ?
[18:14] <jussi> czajkows1i: web hosting - joomla site probably.
[18:14] <czajkows1i> jussi: I alwways pimp blacknight.com
[18:14] <czajkows1i> friendly and fast and good prices
[18:16] <jussi> but how environmentally friendly are they?
[18:17] <czajkows1i> I don't know
[18:17] <czajkows1i> ask them
[18:17] <czajkows1i> :)
[18:17] <czajkows1i> not being smart
[18:17] <jussi> :)
[18:17] <jussi> fair enough
[18:18] <jussi> its annoying, as I googled a fair bit, but its hard when you havent heard of companies.
[18:19] <AlanBell> jussi: you might do carbon offset separately
[18:19] <jussi> hrm
[18:20] <jussi> I was looking at one of these: http://www.aiso.net/general-hosting-plans.html (but Ive never heard of them)
[18:21] <AlanBell> hetzner.de are working well for us at the moment
[18:23] <nigelb> AlanBell: friend's hetzner died all of a sudden last week for a few hours :\
[18:23] <AlanBell> we have two hardward boxes
[18:23] <AlanBell> hardware
[18:24] <AlanBell> the big one is a core i7 980ex with 24GB ram
[18:24] <nigelb> oh, ok. these were vps
[18:25] <AlanBell> we run KVM on them and have a bunch of chunky VMs
[18:25] <nigelb> naice
[18:31] <mhall119> jussi: I'm not sure how eco-friendly Google's current cloud hosting is, but I have heard about them running test data centers that used natural cooling or other power-saving techniques
[18:32] <jussi> mhall119: ooh, sounds interesting
[18:32] <jussi> I like the look of that asio.net, but they do sound expensive.
[18:32] <jussi> also, a2hosting looks interesting
[18:35] <AlanBell> jcastro: kirkland and elmo seem to have confirmed they will be running an etherpad server for uds
[18:35] <nigelb> jussi: if facebook ever goes like amazon and hires out their dataceners, just fyi, facebook is eco friendly
[18:35] <jussi> AlanBell: yay!
[18:35] <nigelb> AlanBell: \o/
[18:35] <AlanBell> Daviey: mhall119: how should I store the etherpad URL such that it is a summit preference somewhere?
[18:35]  * czajkowski kicks the wiki
[18:35] <nigelb> AlanBell: thanks for puhsing this
[18:35] <czajkowski> stop giving me an error when I change things
[18:35] <czajkowski> >:(
[18:36] <nigelb> AlanBell: there is a url thingy on the blueprint, that's what jcastro suggested earlier
[18:36] <AlanBell> czajkowski: 22:19 < jono> AlanBell, I have followed to up with IS to see what is going on with the wiki work
[18:36] <mhall119> AlanBell: in settings.py
[18:37] <AlanBell> nigelb: yeah, but that was daft :)
[18:37] <czajkowski> AlanBell: ah cool
[18:37] <nigelb> AlanBell: heh
[18:37] <nigelb> mhall119: do we plan on generating etherpad urls?
[18:37] <AlanBell> mhall119: cool, I will do that later
[18:37] <nigelb> (inside summit itself)
[18:37] <AlanBell> nigelb: that bit is solved
[18:37] <AlanBell> just need to store the server URL
[18:38] <nigelb> AlanBell: oh, great :)
[18:38] <AlanBell> nigelb: my summit modification, links on the schedule http://libertus.co.uk:8000/uds-o/2011-04-14/ to pages like this: http://libertus.co.uk:8000/uds-o/meeting/full-of-awesome/
[18:38] <mhall119> nigelb: I gather that's the plan, yes
[18:38] <mhall119> last UDS IS told us that etherpad wouldn't scale enough to be used for summits, but I guess they've changed their mind (or had it changed for them)
[18:38] <nigelb> mhall119: well, AlanBell already wrote the code, so I guess I got my answer :p
[18:39] <nigelb> mhall119: kirkland said, if it fails we can always fallback to gobby
[18:39] <nigelb> or was it elmo
[18:39] <AlanBell> elmo said they will do both
[18:39] <mhall119> both simultaneously?
[18:39] <AlanBell> anyone want to take bets on which will fall over
[18:39] <mhall119> both
[18:39] <AlanBell> mhall119: both servers will be turned on
[18:40] <mhall119> AlanBell: ah, ok
[18:40] <nigelb> AlanBell: what are the odds? even?
[18:40] <AlanBell> but hopefully only one will be used
[18:40] <nigelb> (the irony of that sentence is making me smile :P)
[18:40] <nigelb> AlanBell: if gobby is not used, it going down is not something that we'll notice
[18:43] <jcastro> mhall119: do you know how often the icals are updated?
[18:44] <nigelb> I think its like rss, immediate.
[18:44] <mhall119> jcastro: which icals?
[18:44] <mhall119> the ones Summit provides?
[18:44] <jcastro> yeah
[18:44] <mhall119> every time you request it
[18:45] <mhall119> barring caches
[18:45] <mhall119> but I don't think anything is caching them
[18:49] <czajkowski> jono: you about my dear ?
[18:49] <jono> czajkowski, yup
[18:49] <czajkowski> you free for a 2 min pm ?
[18:59] <jcastro> mhall119: also in summit, how do I assign crew?
[18:59] <jcastro> iirc we added a field for crew?
[19:02] <nigelb> paultag: this sounds like someone you might know http://i.imgur.com/PTQOa.jpg
[19:03] <nigelb> :-P
[19:04] <AlanBell> yay, ETHERPAD_HOST added to settings.py
[19:06] <AlanBell> so what do you really want in the header of a meeting page? like this: http://libertus.co.uk:8000/uds-o/meeting/full-of-awesome/
[19:09] <AlanBell> at the moment I have title-room, timeslot, description, links to wiki and blueprint, attendees (which could get big and I am not sure has value) and a QR code to the wiki url of the meeting
[19:09] <AlanBell> is there any value in having a QR code to any of the various options?
[19:09] <AlanBell> are there things to trim, or things to add based on stuff that is available in summit?
[19:16] <mhall119> jcastro: in the admin, you have to mark attendees as "willing to be crew", then you can assign them to specific days
[19:17] <mhall119> AlanBell: would the qrcode to the wiki really be useful?
[19:18] <AlanBell> I think that is doubtful
[19:18] <AlanBell> my original concept was that the QR code would link to the meeting page URL itself and would be printed on the paper stuck to the door
[19:18] <jcastro> mhall119: oh ok, I see
[19:19] <AlanBell> however it has been pointed out that the number of devices that can actually scan a QR code and use etherpad is kind of small
[19:29] <jcastro> mhall119: oh I see, is that what the crew field is in the admin interface?
[19:32] <jcastro> mhall119: oooh, got it!
[19:32] <mhall119> jcastro: yeah, Crew records link attendees to days
[19:32] <jcastro> mhall119: dude this is awesome!
[19:32] <mhall119> :)
[19:35] <jcastro> mhall119: ok so in the future
[19:35] <jcastro> when the applicant checks "willing to be crew"
[19:35] <jcastro> the box will be autoselected?
[19:35] <mhall119> jcastro: we can do that, yes
[19:35] <mhall119> but it's not currently implemented
[19:36]  * jcastro nods
[19:36] <jcastro> this is still<PHONE_NUMBER>5% better than the wiki way
[19:36] <mhall119> that's a big improvement
[19:36] <mhall119> unless the wiki way was zero
[19:36] <jcastro> yeah, zero
[19:36] <jcastro> :)
[19:37] <Daviey> so<PHONE_NUMBER>5% of 0 better.. awesome!
[19:37] <mhall119> jcastro: also, the openid-follow-renames code will be in django-openid-auth trunk soon, so we can start to put that into action for summit
[19:37] <mhall119> Daviey: ^^
[19:37] <jcastro> what's that in english?
[19:38] <mhall119> we can enable summit such that if someone changes their nick in launchpad, their django username is updated to match
[19:39] <mhall119> also, we can enforce that the user has an lp profile, so we don't get anymore openiduser#### usernames
[19:39] <jcastro> ooh nice!
[19:42] <cjohnston> mhall119: the crew being listed on the day paige is sweet
[19:43] <mhall119> you say that now, wait until everyone knows to make you work
[19:43] <nigelb> haha
[19:43] <nigelb> mhall119: +1
[19:44] <nigelb> jcastro loves me, I get to crew twice \o/
[19:44] <nigelb> :p
[19:44] <mhall119> nigelb: gotta earn your keep
[19:44] <nigelb> heh
[19:45] <cjohnston> mhall119: thats the whole point
[19:45] <nigelb> any crew schedule where cjohnston is not crewing is unfair :P
[19:48] <Daviey> mhall119: It might need packaging up..
[19:48] <cjohnston> jcastro: is crew set to where it can be put on the wiki page as well?
[19:48] <mhall119> Daviey: achuni has already said it'll be built and put in the ISD PPA
[19:49] <Daviey> mhall119: ok, cool - it might be a good idea to raise an RT to get that rolled out as soon as it is in the PPA then.
[19:49] <Daviey> mhall119: fancy taking that [ACTION]?
[19:50] <mhall119> Daviey: sure
[19:50] <nigelb> surely we'll have a summit session at UDS?
[19:51] <Daviey> nobody has drafted a blueprint yet.
[19:52] <nigelb> can I?
[19:52] <cjohnston> no
[19:53] <Daviey> nah
[19:53] <Daviey> oh wait
[19:57] <Technoviking> nigelb: where is crew listed
[19:58] <nigelb> Technoviking: top of each day's schedule
[19:58] <Daviey> Technoviking: You need to do an SQL dump... :)
[19:58] <nigelb> haha
[19:59] <Technoviking> Daviey: need more SQL fiber first:)
[19:59] <Daviey> heh
[20:03] <doctormo> pleia2, vish & nigelb: I won't be going to UDS this year. Hope you all have a good time.
[20:04] <jcastro> Daviey: if I manually schedule a session will the jumbler touch it when you run it?
[20:04]  * nigelb hugs doctormo
[20:04] <mhall119> ha ha, ew
[20:04] <pleia2> doctormo: hugs! thanks :)
[20:06] <Daviey> jcastro: i believe so.
[20:06] <Daviey> jcastro: do you need to create adhoc sessions atm?
[20:06] <jcastro> I would like to yes
[20:06] <jcastro> jono: I'd like to get our roundtables out of the way and schedule them now if that's ok
[20:06] <jono> jcastro, yes please
[20:06] <jono> pick the same room for each one if possible
[20:06] <jono> but if not, no worries
[20:07] <jcastro> I'll do that
[20:07] <jcastro> because I need to test the colors
[20:07] <jcastro> Daviey: did someone do the colors?
[20:07] <Daviey> jcastro: okay.. we need a nice form for adhoc sessions.. it is really ugly people using the admin ui for it.
[20:07] <cjohnston> I dont think colors have been done yet
[20:07] <Daviey> jcastro: i haven't seen the change land, so assume no.
[20:08] <jcastro> can someone do the colors before thursday?
[20:08] <cjohnston> Daviey: ill get on the colors thing...
[20:08] <Daviey> jcastro: patches welcome :)
[20:08] <cjohnston> lol
[20:08] <cjohnston> Daviey: how are the tracks defined for this? are they by slug or ...?
[20:08] <jcastro> I would love it if they did it by name
[20:09] <jcastro> because people always forget to select the track in the UI
[20:09] <nigelb> haha, "congratulations/applogies"
[20:10] <Daviey> cjohnston: the trackfix management script should convert names into the correct track objects.
[20:10] <Daviey> *but* trackfix needs updating for the new track names.
[20:10] <cjohnston> ok.. and thats what i looked at yesterday, and I don't understand how it works or whats broken
[20:10] <AlanBell> ok, my attendee list now works, with links to launchpad profiles and required attendees are in bold. I dropped the QR code.
[20:11] <AlanBell> anything else to change in the header or does it look OK? http://libertus.co.uk:8000/uds-o/meeting/full-of-awesome/
[20:11] <Daviey> jcastro: i see that some sessions have already been scheduled... note that they autoscheduler will not attempt to move manually scheduled sessions..
[20:12] <Daviey> So people shouldn't schedule stuff to 'help'
[20:12] <jcastro> Daviey: perfect, thanks
[20:13] <jcastro> Daviey: sorry I had to schedule them asap, linaro has some special needs
[20:13] <Daviey> AlanBell: lgtm, but how well does it scale with say 30 attendees?
[20:13] <cjohnston> i dont know that we would want an attendees list.. or atleast not up top
[20:13] <cjohnston> maybe at the bottom seperated by a ","
[20:14] <AlanBell> the UL would just get bigger
[20:14] <AlanBell> not sure quite how I can show you that without 30 people logging on to my server with openID
[20:14] <doctormo> pleia2: Are you certainly going to UDS in budapest? I need someone to take over tea duty.
[20:14] <jcastro> jono: ok, snagged Kazincy as our home room each day
[20:14] <Daviey> AlanBell: can you fake it with a for loop to test?
[20:14] <Daviey> add 60 AlanBells?
[20:14] <jcastro> so everyone remember "sounds like unabomber"
[20:15] <cjohnston> lol
[20:15] <AlanBell> Daviey: actually it would be great if a couple of people could log on
[20:15] <Daviey> AlanBell: fake it in the template
[20:15] <pleia2> doctormo: yes, flights booked
[20:15] <doctormo> Daviey: fake it in a static html page.
[20:15] <AlanBell> then I can make some required and some not required and I will double it up a few times in the template
[20:16] <Daviey> AlanBell: can i have a time share of the thread please ? :)
[20:16] <cjohnston> novacut?
[20:16] <AlanBell> runserver doesn't scale well does it!
[20:16] <Daviey> AlanBell, TemplateSyntaxError at /uds-o/meeting/full-of-awesome/
[20:16] <Daviey> 'datetime' is not a valid tag library: ImportError raised loading django.contrib.admin.templatetags.datetime: No module named datetime
[20:17] <cjohnston> jcastro: ^
[20:17] <jcastro> AlanBell: ok so clue me in a sec, this thing you're working is basically "click on the title and the notes will magically open up"
[20:17] <doctormo> pleia2: The requirements are fairly simple, just take over a handful of pg tips/yorkshire (I can send you some via mail if you like) and find out how the hotel does hot water. 103°C boiling water, not just 90°C coffee water. The find the people by wednesday who are dying for tea and help their poor souls.
[20:17] <pleia2> doctormo: can I take it through customs?
[20:17] <doctormo> pleia2: Sure,
[20:17] <doctormo> Budapest is in the EU right?
[20:17] <AlanBell> Daviey: fixed
[20:18] <jcastro> cjohnston: the crew on tuesday is the husband-wife novacut video editor team(tm)
[20:18] <AlanBell> jcastro: yes
[20:18] <jcastro> AlanBell: OMG.
[20:18] <jcastro> brilliant
[20:18] <cjohnston> gotcha
[20:18] <AlanBell> jcastro: or "click on a little icon next to the title" to be precise
[20:18] <AlanBell> jcastro: the magic is strong with this one
[20:18] <pleia2> doctormo: yeah, they're part of the EU
[20:19] <pleia2> doctormo: how does one get 103C water, ask the hotel? :)
[20:19] <doctormo> pleia2: Yes, or if you're in the USA, bring an electric kettle because the hotel won't have anything that hot.
[20:19] <Daviey> pleia2: dig a deep hole
[20:19] <doctormo> But basically it's boiling water, hopefully not by microwave and you should be good.
[20:20] <nigelb> pleia2: Note, kettle might combust if you bring it from USA, voltage difference.
[20:20] <nigelb> ;)
[20:20] <pleia2> oh dear
[20:20] <doctormo> pleia2: Yes, US kettle won't actually work in the EU, voltage not high enough.
[20:20] <nigelb> other way around
[20:20] <doctormo> But it shouldn't catch fire nigelb!
[20:21] <nigelb> voltage not low enough
[20:21] <nigelb> doctormo: I was slightly exaggerating
[20:22] <pleia2> I am sure I can find one on amazon
[20:22] <pleia2> I'll figure out voltage stuff
[20:22] <AlanBell> Daviey: that is 30 of me
[20:22] <nigelb> You can get coverting things I think
[20:22] <pleia2> I have adapters, but not voltage adapters
[20:22] <AlanBell> two or three columns might be nicer
[20:22] <nigelb> anyay, I just realized its 1 am. Time to head to bed.
[20:22] <pleia2> night nigelb :)
[20:23] <nigelb> pleia2: let me see if I can pack one :)
[20:23] <doctormo> thanks for the hug nigelb
[20:23] <nigelb> If you can get convertor, I can get kettle
[20:23] <pleia2> nigelb: but by the time I know if you can come it'll be too late for me to order one :(
[20:23] <pleia2> I'll see what I can do
[20:23] <nigelb> pleia2: good point :(
[20:24] <pleia2> maybe one of the ubuntu-hu people can bring one
[20:24] <nigelb> psst, ask cjohnston :P
[20:24] <doctormo> pleia2: You know those guys! :-D
[20:24] <pleia2> he's from florida!
[20:24] <pleia2> doctormo: yes :)
[20:25] <pleia2> looks like budapest castle and "ruin pubs" (ruinpubs.com) will be on the ubuntu-hu night tourism list :D
[20:26] <Daviey> AlanBell, that is a little sucky IMO.
[20:26] <Daviey> AlanBell, I think comma sperated list at the footer would be better IMO.
[20:28] <jcastro> AlanBell: did you contact kirkland?
[20:28] <AlanBell> looks a bit crap as it is all me, variety would be good
[20:28] <Daviey> AlanBell, i did sign in
[20:29] <AlanBell> lots of us
[20:29]  * JFo is loopy
[20:29] <Daviey> AlanBell, The importiant thing on that page is the pad.. pushing it down the page is suboptimal IMO.
[20:29] <AlanBell> Daviey: I agree
[20:29] <AlanBell> jcastro: yes, and elmo in -devel
[20:30] <jcastro> oh rock and roll
[20:30] <jcastro> everything going ok?
[20:30] <jcastro> sorry I haven't been around today, slam city
[20:30] <Daviey> salgado, o/
[20:31]  * salgado waves
[20:32] <AlanBell> Daviey: how about now, comma separated at the top
[20:32] <mhall119> hey salgado
[20:32] <AlanBell> and yes, I will deal with the trailing comma
[20:32] <Daviey> AlanBell: yeah, i just reloaded.. that is better... can you repeat 30 times?
[20:33] <jcastro> AlanBell: question for you
[20:33] <jcastro> AlanBell: so how does it name the document?
[20:33] <AlanBell> repeated the loop 15 times, for 30 names
[20:33] <jcastro> it would be brilliant if it just took the blueprint name
[20:33] <AlanBell> http://padserver/{{ summit.name }}-{{ meeting.name }}?_theme=micro
[20:34] <AlanBell> so in this instance uds-o-full-of-awesome
[20:34] <jcastro> how flexible are you on that?
[20:34] <jcastro> we put the o in the blueprint already
[20:34] <jcastro> so we don't need the uds part
[20:34] <jcastro> so like
[20:34] <Daviey> jcastro, hang on...
[20:34] <jcastro> http://blah:/community-o-locodirectory-improvements
[20:34] <Daviey> the padserver won't be tied to UDS, right
[20:35] <jcastro> oh I see what you mean
[20:35] <Daviey> so having a convetion of ^uds-X .. is prtty clean IMO
[20:35] <jcastro> ok
[20:35] <AlanBell> I was worried about collsions between udses
[20:35] <AlanBell> e.g. community roundtable
[20:35] <jcastro> AlanBell: I make them put the letter in every blueprint
[20:36] <Daviey> uds-o-community-o-locodirectory-improvements <-- some replication, but 'pretty good' TM
[20:36] <AlanBell> even linaro ones, private meetings and other exceptions?
[20:36] <jcastro> oh you know what
[20:36] <Daviey> jcastro, TBH, people won't need to care about the blueprint url
[20:36] <jcastro> it doesn't matter
[20:36] <jcastro> we won't have to care about remembering the URL
[20:36] <AlanBell> indeed
[20:36] <jcastro> as long as I can click on it who cares
[20:36] <jcastro> right right
[20:36] <AlanBell> the summit schedule *is* the index
[20:36]  * jcastro says carry on awkwardly
[20:37] <jcastro> ok, so 2nd question
[20:37] <Daviey> "as you were soldiers"
[20:37] <cjohnston> WAIT.. he has another question
[20:37] <jcastro> is there a way to go "etherpad give me all the documents for uds-o on one page"
[20:37] <cjohnston> lol
[20:37] <Daviey> jcastro, Yes!
[20:37] <cjohnston> +1
[20:37] <Daviey> using tags :)
[20:37] <jcastro> DUDE
[20:37] <jcastro> so we can get rid of this "proceedings" crap
[20:37] <jcastro> and just tell everyone not at UDS "watch this page"
[20:38] <jcastro> jono: ^^^
[20:38] <Daviey> jcastro, private etherpad (PNE) allows a full index... but ACL is not suitable for our requirements ATM.  Therefore tags rock!
[20:38] <jcastro> anyone have an example URL of an etherpad doing tags?
[20:38] <jcastro> so I can see what it looks like?
[20:38] <Daviey> one mo
[20:38] <AlanBell> just type in a tag
[20:39] <Daviey> jcastro, http://pad.daviey.com/test
[20:39] <AlanBell> with a # so just type #awesome in a pad and that will be a link to all pads tagged with #awesome
[20:40] <jcastro> http://pad.daviey.com/ep/search?query=awesome
[20:40] <jcastro> ok so I pretty much love this
[20:40] <jcastro> ok and how do we tag the document
[20:40] <jcastro> just put #community in it?
[20:40] <AlanBell> yup
[20:40] <mhall119> AlanBell: can we pre-seed the pads with those tags?
[20:40] <AlanBell> ooh, jcastro you will like this bit . . .
[20:40] <jcastro> this is. AWESOME.
[20:41] <AlanBell> http://pad.daviey.com/ep/pad/view/test/latest
[20:41] <AlanBell> hit play
[20:41]  * jcastro nods
[20:41] <jcastro> seen this before
[20:42] <paultag> nigelb: hehehe, I saw that on reddit :)
[20:43] <AlanBell> mhall119: that could be done with a bit of etherpad hacking to take some tags off the querystring and use them to prepopulate new documents
[20:43] <Daviey> AlanBell, I *think* that is already supported
[20:43] <AlanBell> however I doubt we will be allowed to do that if they want a clean packaged etherpad server
[20:44] <AlanBell> orly? if you can find the syntax to prepopulate then I will totally make that happen
[20:44] <Daviey> AlanBell, I remember some discussion about it, but don't know if it landed
[20:44] <Daviey> AlanBell, "clean and packaged" means we can add patches as needed.
[20:47]  * AlanBell fixors trailing comma on names
[20:49] <Daviey> hmm
[20:49] <Daviey> maybe it didn't land
[20:52] <jono> jcastro, I don't think the proceedings are "crap"
[20:53] <jono> they provide a valuable summary of the event
[20:53] <jcastro> no no that's not what I meant
[20:53] <jono> and just showing notes is not enough - they need to be summarized
[20:53] <jcastro> I meant providing the index of the sessions
[20:53] <jcastro> oh  oh, I see what you mean
[20:53] <jcastro> oh dude, then let's do this
[20:53] <jcastro> I got it
[20:53] <jcastro> community-summary
[20:53] <jcastro> and tag it #community
[20:54] <jcastro> then you just live-update it throughout the day
[20:54] <jcastro> so instead of track leads having to do a huge summary at the end of each day
[20:54] <jcastro> you tell the people in the session "after each session, add a one line summary of your session to the summary notes"
[20:55] <jcastro> jono: does that make sense?
[20:55] <jcastro> like last time the track leads went person to person "hey I need like a quick summary of your sessions"
[20:55] <jono> jcastro, good idea, but I suspect few will use it in all the madness of UDs
[20:55] <jono> UDS
[20:55] <Daviey> jcastro, you can mix and match tags...
[20:55] <AlanBell> so . . . we need a link on the meeting page to pad.ubuntu.com/uds-o-track-day
[20:56] <jono> remember how we do that with wiki pages, but often the pages get left empty
[20:56] <jcastro> jono: right but this is way less mad, since we can put the links right on the summit page
[20:56] <Daviey> #summary and #uds-o and #community
[20:56] <jono> we could...do that and then ask the track leads to use that as content for the proceedings and to buff them up
[20:57] <jcastro> right, the reason people don't do it is because there's no easy way to go from the schedule to the wiki
[20:57] <Daviey> nigelb, !  How busy are you... ? :)
[20:57] <jcastro> but if we just put a link right next to the track
[20:57] <jcastro> since you have to go to that page every day
[20:57] <jcastro> for example:
[20:57] <jcastro> Daviey: check this out:
[20:57] <jcastro> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/
[20:57] <jcastro> see the By Track:
[20:58] <jcastro> it could be Community - (Summary)
[20:58] <jcastro> and summary is a link
[20:58] <jcastro> to community-o-summary
[20:59] <AlanBell> is it one summary per day or one summary per uds (for each track)
[20:59] <jcastro> per day per track
[20:59] <AlanBell> okies, on it
[20:59] <jcastro> "This is what happened in Community today"
[20:59] <jcastro> AlanBell: wait!
[21:00] <jcastro> let's convince jono it's a good idea first
[21:00] <AlanBell> quicker to code it up and show him it is a good idea :)
[21:00] <jcastro> jono: right, so this is how you make this less work
[21:00] <jcastro> so last time you had to find us and be like "guys what did you do today"
[21:00] <jcastro> then you would have to compile all that together
[21:01] <jcastro> instead you would say "every session you run put your session is there, or you will be killed"
[21:01] <jono> jcastro, I think it is a good idea, but I don't think the tool was the problem, but I am happy to trial this if you want
[21:01] <jcastro> then at the end of the day you take all our raw stuff, massage, and done!
[21:01] <Daviey> AlanBell, One more thing... Any chance you can add ETHERPAD_HOST_SUFFIX ? :)
[21:01] <jcastro> right, and if we have it right on the schedule it will be in our faces, so we'll be inclined to make sure it doesn't suck
[21:02] <Daviey> AlanBell, meh, scrub that
[21:02] <AlanBell> well you can put a port in the host if you want
[21:02] <jcastro> AlanBell: oh, another idea but it's probably P material
[21:03] <jcastro> in any given doc I can designate what's summary content
[21:03] <jcastro> but nm, that's probably too complicated
[21:03] <jono> jcastro, make sure you liaise with IS over the etherpad reqs
[21:03] <jcastro> jono: kirkland and Daviey are doing that
[21:04] <jcastro> I'm not involved in that
[21:04] <AlanBell> jono: I have been talking to kirkland and elmo today
[21:04] <Daviey> jamespage is the mug^D person doing most of the heavy lifting atm.
[21:04] <doctormo> jono: I'll be going to LGM in Montreal instead of UDS this cycle, are there any graphics related interests I could communicate on behalf of the Ubuntu community?
[21:04] <jono> jcastro, ok, can ask you to just have oversight to ensure everyone is keeping the comms channels open?
[21:04] <jcastro> Daviey: is it going to be EC2 or a real server?
[21:04] <AlanBell> elmo says we should be good to go with pad.ubuntu.com
[21:04] <Daviey> jcastro: pass.
[21:04] <jcastro> jono: nod
[21:05] <jono> doctormo, I don't think so - maybe talk to Ivanka thoug
[21:05] <jono> h
[21:05] <jcastro> Daviey: is that pass as "I don't know?" or pass as in "lol not my problem?"
[21:05] <doctormo> aye aye
[21:05] <Daviey> jcastro: mostly the former.
[21:05] <jcastro> heh
[21:05] <jcastro> "a little of both"
[21:05] <jcastro> AlanBell: ok so next question
[21:05] <Daviey> AlanBell: can jcastro embed a pony?
[21:05] <Daviey> a flashing GIF pony?
[21:06] <jcastro> no no, nothing so drastic
[21:06] <AlanBell> actually yes
[21:06] <jcastro> AlanBell: I assume the server your running is running summit
[21:06] <jcastro> so what's the plan wrt. landing that in summit on summit.u.c?
[21:06] <Daviey> AlanBell: what about play some midi files on page load?
[21:07]  * AlanBell adds the pony
[21:07] <AlanBell> jcastro: the "server" is my laptop
[21:07] <AlanBell> and yes, running summit
[21:07] <Daviey> jcastro: AlanBell's branch can land pretty quickly.. we can use pad.ubuntu-uk.org as an interim... the minimal theme is not functioning but valid proof of concept
[21:07] <AlanBell> click on the summit link in the header
[21:08] <AlanBell> Daviey: how about pad.daviey.com
[21:08] <Daviey> Not really happy landing the pad server AlanBell is developing against
[21:08] <jcastro> Daviey: ok so you're not concerned about landing it and deploying it quickly?
[21:08] <jcastro> Daviey: sorry let me rephrase
[21:08] <jcastro> ok so landing his branch and having it on prod summit.u.c won't be a problem?
[21:08] <AlanBell> Daviey: I put pad.ubuntu.com in the settings.py
[21:08] <Daviey> AlanBell: i'd rather a *ubuntu* domain TBH :)
[21:08] <Daviey> jcastro: no problem.
[21:08] <AlanBell> and primarypad.com in my localsettings.py
[21:09] <Daviey> AlanBell: groovy
[21:09] <Daviey> jcastro: it's a simple deployment atm, as trunk = deployed.
[21:09] <jcastro> Daviey: alright so basically he can prototype all he wants irregardless of what you guys do with the real etherpad we'll use
[21:09] <Daviey> AlanBell isn't making any DB changes, so nice and simples
[21:09]  * AlanBell is simples personified
[21:09] <jcastro> AlanBell: I owe you many beers
[21:10] <jcastro> this is awesome
[21:10]  * AlanBell opens a tab
[21:10] <Daviey> AlanBell: Can i land your branch now?
[21:10] <AlanBell> Daviey: 10 minutes or so
[21:10] <Daviey> AlanBell: okay, throw in a merge request when ready
[21:10] <jcastro> Daviey: ok so when this lands
[21:11] <jcastro> we'll basically have it
[21:11] <jcastro> but with a temporary etherpad
[21:11] <Daviey> yes
[21:11] <jcastro> ah awesome
[21:12] <Daviey> jcastro: Finding someone to do an etherpad ubuntu theme would be good for deployment IMO :)
[21:12] <Daviey> it's just CSS foo.
[21:13] <jcastro> you mean for the full on pad?
[21:13] <jcastro> or the embedded thing
[21:13] <jcastro> I would think most people at UDS will do the embedded thing
[21:14] <cjohnston> would need both eventually
[21:14] <jcastro> Daviey: I suppose integrating the IRC channel into the side thing will be hard
[21:14] <cjohnston> cause im sure people will use the pad.u.c outside of uds
[21:15] <jcastro> cjohnston: right, but the time crunch is for UDS
[21:15] <AlanBell> jcastro: nope, not hard
[21:15] <cjohnston> thats why I said eventually ;-)
[21:16] <Daviey> jcastro: what side?
[21:16] <jcastro> on the sidebar in the notes screen
[21:17] <Daviey> jcastro: Yeah, i'm saying if we get the ubuntu theme into the first deployment of etherpad, it's more likely to get done :)
[21:17] <jcastro> Daviey: ok, so you want me to find someone to do an etherpad ubuntu theme, I can do that.
[21:17] <Daviey> jcastro: Won't that make the page /really/ cramped?
[21:18] <jcastro> Daviey: yeah bridge too far, I am just brainstorming
[21:18] <jcastro> Daviey: right now IS has to set up each room with an IRC client, and like a browser window
[21:18] <jcastro> in the future
[21:18] <jcastro> it would be cool if we just had a frame with the notes in the middle, irc, and the next part of the schedule in one thing we can fullscreen
[21:19] <jcastro> Daviey: where would a contributor pull the css from, can they just bzr branch lp: from somewhere to get the theming stuff?
[21:19] <AlanBell> ooh, link to icecast for the room would be good
[21:20] <jcastro> AlanBell: there's a bug for that!
[21:20] <nigelb> paultag: :_
[21:20] <nigelb> Daviey: depends on why
[21:20] <paultag> nigelb: :)
[21:20] <jcastro> AlanBell: but if you can put it on this page, great!
[21:20] <nigelb> (I just popped it just before bed)
[21:21] <Ronnie> ping kim0
[21:21] <nigelb> Daviey: wassup? what are you plotting?
[21:21] <jcastro> nigelb: want to do the CSS for etherpad?
[21:21] <Ronnie> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8000/ if you have time, could you give some feedback
[21:21] <nigelb> jcastro: this weekend? YES!
[21:22] <jcastro> \o/
[21:22]  * nigelb sets friday as etherpad hackday
[21:23] <nigelb> I have a bunch of summit fixes to do too, so perfect
[21:24] <salgado> mhall119, so, after talking to Daviey and james_w we figured it'd be possible to have a separate theme on summit.linaro.org just by using separate 'media' directories for that vhost, with our custom css/images
[21:25] <kim0> Ronnie: hey
[21:25] <salgado> the only thing we wouldn't be able to do with that is change the ubuntu log as that's hard-coded in the base template, so I've proposed a change to the light-django-theme thing: https://code.launchpad.net/~salgado/ubuntu-community-webthemes/ubuntu-logo-to-css/+merge/58383
[21:26] <salgado> although I might have proposed it against the wrong branch?
[21:28]  * AlanBell chucks in a merge request
[21:29] <Ronnie> kim0: i hope we could have it ready before the launch of 11.04
[21:29] <AlanBell> I am still working on the track daily summary thing, complicated by the fact that meetings can be on multiple days
[21:31] <kim0> Ronnie: hmm deploying to production is probably gonna go slower than you think :
[21:32] <Ronnie> kim0: any idea how 'fast' the production can deploy?
[21:32] <kim0> Ronnie: I'd think it'd have to be ready by now
[21:32] <kim0> Ronnie: the code that is
[21:32] <mhall119> salgado: you can use different templates entirely if it'll run on a separate server
[21:32] <Ronnie> kim0: is not ready yet :(
[21:33] <salgado> mhall119, right, but the goal is to have a single deployment serving both vhosts
[21:33] <Ronnie> altought basic functionality wont take long i guess
[21:33] <Ronnie> but testing need to be done
[21:33] <kim0> Ronnie: Yeah .. no need for that deadline though ..
[21:33] <kim0> we're not running out of releases soon :)
[21:33] <Ronnie> ;)
[21:33] <AlanBell> what is the icecast url format?
[21:34] <jcastro> checking
[21:35] <jcastro> http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/
[21:35] <mhall119> salgado: looks like it's proposed against the right branch
[21:36] <mhall119> salgado: you can have 2 instances of teh same code running, but using different settings files, and thus different templates
[21:38] <salgado> mhall119, right, but we wanted to avoid that to make deployment easier for IS
[21:39] <czajkowski> sometimes canonical sysadmins just make my day rather easy
[21:40] <mhall119> salgado: gotcha, I don't have any objections to your merge proposals, if I have time later today I'll test it and if everything looks okay I'll merge it
[21:41] <salgado> mhall119, great, thanks!
[21:41] <mhall119> np
[21:42] <jcastro> jussi: BOOYAH: http://uds.ubuntu.com/participate/remote/
[21:43] <doctormo> What kind of file is this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/596258/ ?
[21:43] <doctormo> It's not ini format, it's something else, but I don't know it yet.
[21:52] <mhall119> doctormo: dunno,  but it doesn't look pleasant
[21:52] <Daviey> AlanBell, so, icecast url is a model object you can call
[21:52] <Daviey> AlanBell, room.icecast_url
[21:55] <AlanBell> awesome
[22:07] <Ronnie> kim0: do you have an 10.04 installation running?
[22:12] <Ronnie> i also get the error: Can't create GeoIP->gi object when trying: gi = GeoIP.open('/usr/share/GeoIP/GeoLiteCity.dat', GeoIP.GEOIP_STANDARD) any ideas?
[22:13] <AlanBell> http://libertus.co.uk:8000/uds-o/meeting/full-of-awesome/ now including links to "$track summary for $day" and icecast url if specified on the room
[23:10] <Daviey> mhall119, The ubuntu-website is a strict alias in the apache config... so having varying django settings will not help.
[23:11] <Daviey> or i can't see how it can, at least
[23:14] <AlanBell> jcastro: jono: the notes have landed, http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/2011-05-10/ and click on the icon of the community tuesday roundtable
[23:17] <AlanBell> note the "Community summary for Tuesday" link which is automatically added
[23:21] <jono> AlanBell, nice!
[23:21] <jono> AlanBell, do I need to save the notes?
[23:22] <jono> there is no save button
[23:22] <AlanBell> no need
[23:22] <AlanBell> every keystroke is saved
[23:22] <jono> awesome
[23:22] <jono> how do I find out who each colour is?
[23:23] <AlanBell> see the notes in a separate window button
[23:23] <AlanBell> that takes you to the full etherpad UI with names
[23:23] <jono> AlanBell, would be cool if it used OpenID to automatically display your name
[23:23] <jono> this is sweet
[23:23] <AlanBell> we could embed that rather than the micro or nano themes
[23:25] <jono> AlanBell, would be handy if the logged in users were shown within summit
[23:25] <jono> then there would be no need for a seperate link to the etherpad
[23:25] <AlanBell> yeah, can do
[23:25] <jono> cool
[23:26] <jono> :-)
[23:26] <AlanBell> we can do a theme with the user list but not the chat pane (because that dupes IRC)
[23:27] <jono> AlanBell, yeah
[23:27] <jono> I don't think the chat bit is useful
[23:27] <jono> no one uses that in gobby anyway
[23:28] <Daviey> chat pane IRC is bad for historical logs anyway
[23:28] <Daviey> s/IRC/chat
[23:28] <popey> best to keep chat in one place imo
[23:28] <popey> logged too in irc
[23:28] <AlanBell> so that bit inside the iframe is part of the etherpad theme, which nigelb is messing with on friday
[23:29] <Daviey> jono, I looked at openid... it is currently possible, but not polished enough for deployment
[23:29] <Daviey> (or secure)
[23:30] <Daviey> It's not currently possible to use Ubuntu SSO, it would need to use the API... probably how mumble does it.
[23:30] <kim0> Ronnie: maybe the file /usr/share/GeoIP/GeoLiteCity.dat doesn't exist (geoip-database or python-geoip not installed?)
[23:30] <AlanBell> meh, you only have to name yourself once and the etherpad server knows who you are
[23:30] <Ronnie> kim0: fixed, it was not unzipped
[23:30] <Daviey> AlanBell, yeah, openid helps with accountability with abuse.
[23:31] <kim0> cool
[23:32] <Daviey> AlanBell, also note... using the micro theme... you cannot name yourself afaiks :(
[23:32] <AlanBell> true, it would be good to have openid auth for longer term use
[23:32] <Ronnie> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8000/API/geoip
[23:32] <Daviey> AlanBell, I think someone would need to reach in their pocket to get it sponsored :)
[23:33] <Ronnie> kim0: its really easy to setup and development server instance, so if you'd like (and have time) ....
[23:33] <AlanBell> yes, I knew you couldn't name yourself with the micro theme, only just realising that is kind of important in some sessions
[23:34] <AlanBell> so we do a theme with the pad, editing controls (bold etc) and a sidebar with names, but no chat
[23:34] <Daviey> AlanBell, I think the micro theme needs extending to have the username
[23:35] <Daviey> +1
[23:35] <paultag> how does the JS script POST the name?
[23:35] <paultag> why not write a basic gate and post it before entering the chat
[23:35] <paultag> then hack it to flip a session varable that lets them "in"
[23:35] <Daviey> paultag, I know what you are thinking... and that could work
[23:35] <paultag> it's a kludge, aye, but it might work in this timeframe
[23:35] <paultag> Daviey: :)
[23:36] <AlanBell> isn't it a cookie or something?
[23:36] <Daviey> AlanBell, yes, cookie
[23:36] <paultag> AlanBell: if it is, that'd be easy to set
[23:36] <paultag> perfect :)
[23:36] <Daviey> AlanBell, appending ?user=LP.id could be our fix
[23:36] <Daviey> no need to have a gate IMO..
[23:36] <paultag> +1, if you can get around it :)
[23:36] <paultag> OK, heading off. cheerio, all
[23:37] <kim0> Ronnie: can't really commit much time (I'm also off next week) :/
[23:38] <Ronnie> kim0: ok
[23:39] <AlanBell> not a cookie
[23:45] <AlanBell> not a simple cookie anyhow
[23:46] <Daviey> AlanBell, well it is cookie based, because if you clear your cookies, the name goes :)
[23:48] <AlanBell> yeah the ET cookie
[23:48] <AlanBell> but the name is stored serverside
[23:51] <AlanBell> must do the quotas.js hacks to let plenty of people on each pad
[23:51] <Daviey> yeah, i made it unlimited
[23:52] <Daviey> AlanBell, it looks like it wouldn't be too complicated to extend the request.params.userId or request.params.username
[23:52] <Daviey> then appending ?username=foo would work.
[23:54] <AlanBell> ok so a bit of a mod on the etherpad side and a minor tweak to the iframe URL then?
[23:56] <AlanBell> now all I have to do is a merge request to get http://ubingo.libertus.co.uk integrated with the keynote session
[23:57] <Daviey> lol
[23:58] <AlanBell> in fact if there is any chance of that getting in as an easter egg to be revealed on the day I would do the coding for it


[22:50] <liushuyu> Ah okay
[22:51] <mwhudson> i'll have a look at kdevelop
[22:51] <mwhudson> blocked on llvm-toolchain-16
[22:52] <LocutusOfBorg> mwhudson, if you look at pad, you can see stuff already done
[22:52] <vorlon> mwhudson: blocked on migration?
[22:52] <mwhudson> LocutusOfBorg: where is pad?
[22:52] <mwhudson> ah got it
[22:52] <mwhudson> maybe that should be in the topic too
[22:52] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, blocked by llvm-16 missing one test on armhf
[22:53] <vorlon> juman: shared library with no revdeps outside this package; very old code style with dozens of missing prototypes; removing armhf binaries
[22:53] <bdmurray> respinning kylin
[22:53] <mwhudson> LocutusOfBorg: looks like the test is just timing out?
[22:53] <vorlon> kdrill
[22:54] <mwhudson> LocutusOfBorg: although hm. test runtime bounces between 1h30 and nearly 4h. what's going on
[22:54] <bdmurray> Did somebody restart Ubuntu MATE? or is the isotracker lying to me
[22:54] <mwhudson> kinput2
[22:55] <LocutusOfBorg> mwhudson, yes big_packages/slow_packages
[22:55] <LocutusOfBorg> but considering the history of that dolfin test, maybe skiptest or badtest
[22:55] <vorlon> #include "icon_xbm"
[22:55] <vorlon> noooooooo
[22:56] <mwhudson> wnnlib.c:862:28: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘realloc’ [-Wimplicit-function-declaration]
[22:56] <mwhudson> what are you doing
[22:56] <vorlon> when will this release cycle stop making me look at constructions I haven't had to see for 20 years
[22:57] <mwhudson> vorlon: EOD april 25?
[22:57] <vorlon> heh
[22:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: kdrill (noble-proposed/universe) [6.5deb2-13build2 => 6.5deb2-13ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[22:59] <vorlon> latencytop
[23:00] <vorlon> bdmurray: no mate respin seen on cdimage-master
[23:00] <mwhudson> oh kinput2 got removed from debian
[23:00] <vorlon> mwhudson: when was it removed?
[23:00] <mwhudson> vorlon: ~1 week ago
[23:00] <mwhudson> vorlon: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1068259
[23:00] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Debian bug 1068259 in ftp.debian.org "RM: kinput2 -- RoQA; dead upstream, RC buggy, orphaned" [Normal, Closed]
[23:01] <vorlon> ok, processing
[23:01] <vorlon> fsync.c:330:17: error: implicit declaration of function ‘gettimeofday’ [-Werror=implicit-function-declaration]
[23:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted kdrill [source] (noble-proposed) [6.5deb2-13ubuntu1]
[23:01] <vorlon> yes, this is why we do this
[23:01] <mwhudson> taking lcm
[23:03] <vpa1977> mwhudson: there is a new upstream release for it
[23:03] <mwhudson> vpa1977: yeah seems so
[23:03] <vpa1977> mwhudson: it is prepared and ready to upload
[23:03] <LocutusOfBorg> libdata-uuid-libuuid-perl/armhf has unsatisfiable dependency
[23:03] <vpa1977> mwhudson: should i do it ?
[23:03] <vpa1977> mwhudson: builds/tests pass
[23:03] <LocutusOfBorg> sigh lots of perl foo needs rebuilds?
[23:03] <vpa1977> https://code.launchpad.net/~j-rivero/ubuntu/+source/lcm/+git/lcm/+merge/463155
[23:03] <mwhudson> vpa1977: um, well, is it a big change in the upstream version?
[23:04] <vpa1977> mwhudson: yes, but the one in the archive is completely borked
[23:04] <mwhudson> vpa1977: i know less than nothing about this package
[23:04] <vpa1977> we have ffe for it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lcm/+bug/2053256
[23:04] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2053256 in lcm (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Update lcm to 1.5 for Noble" [Undecided, Triaged]
[23:04] <mwhudson> oh
[23:04] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: shouldn't be "lots"? I think we already did a pass of no-change rebuilds for perl
[23:04] <mwhudson> if you have ffe why are you asking? :)
[23:04] <vorlon> mwhudson: ok kinput2 removed
[23:04] <vpa1977> beta freeze?
[23:04] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, I'm doing them
[23:04] <mwhudson> vpa1977: it's not seeded
[23:04] <vorlon> vpa1977: beta freeze only applies to image contents
[23:04] <mwhudson> i hope?
[23:04] <vorlon> and is enforced after you upload
[23:05] <vorlon> lol why is there a python3.10 in the archive with no binaries
[23:05] <vpa1977> then uploading it
[23:05] <LocutusOfBorg> 7 perl packages
[23:05] <mwhudson> vpa1977: ack
[23:05] <mwhudson> ldapvi then
[23:06] <vorlon> heh Debian also removed libauthen-krb5-perl and revdeps, I guess I could've saved some time on that one
[23:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: latencytop (noble-proposed/universe) [0.5.0-0.1build2 => 0.5.0-0.1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[23:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libdbd-sybase-perl (noble-proposed/universe) [1.14-1.1build3 => 1.14-1.1build4] (no packageset)
[23:07] <vorlon> libdigidoc
[23:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libcss-minifier-xs-perl (noble-proposed/universe) [0.13-1build5 => 0.13-1build6] (no packageset)
[23:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libdata-alias-perl (noble-proposed/universe) [1.28-1build3 => 1.28-1build4] (no packageset)
[23:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libdata-util-perl (noble-proposed/universe) [0.67-1build4 => 0.67-1build5] (no packageset)
[23:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libcurses-perl (noble-proposed/universe) [1.44-1build3 => 1.44-1build4] (no packageset)
[23:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libdata-uuid-libuuid-perl (noble-proposed/universe) [0.05-6build1 => 0.05-6build2] (no packageset)
[23:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libdata-swap-perl (noble-proposed/universe) [0.08-3build3 => 0.08-3build4] (no packageset)
[23:08] <enr0n> moonshot-ui and mbp have yet more implicit declarations, so I will finish those up tomorrow morning
[23:08] <vorlon> enr0n: cheers
[23:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: lebiniou (noble-proposed/universe) [3.66.0-2build3 => 3.66.0-2build4] (no packageset)
[23:09] <mwhudson> heh last ldapvi upload was in 2016
[23:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted lebiniou [source] (noble-proposed) [3.66.0-2build4]
[23:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: lcm (noble-proposed/universe) [1.3.1+repack1-7build2 => 1.5.0~repack1-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[23:10] <vorlon> mwhudson: then how is it in our list of packages that were rebuilt with xz-utils?
[23:11] <mwhudson> vorlon: last upload in debian
[23:11] <vorlon> ah
[23:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libcurses-perl [source] (noble-proposed) [1.44-1build4]
[23:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libdata-swap-perl [source] (noble-proposed) [0.08-3build4]
[23:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libdata-uuid-libuuid-perl [source] (noble-proposed) [0.05-6build2]
[23:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libdata-alias-perl [source] (noble-proposed) [1.28-1build4]
[23:11] <mwhudson> bunch of ncrs in ubuntu
[23:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libdata-util-perl [source] (noble-proposed) [0.67-1build5]
[23:11] <vpa1977> lcm uploaded
[23:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted latencytop [source] (noble-proposed) [0.5.0-0.1ubuntu1]
[23:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libdbd-sybase-perl [source] (noble-proposed) [1.14-1.1build4]
[23:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libcss-minifier-xs-perl [source] (noble-proposed) [0.13-1build6]
[23:13] <vorlon> +#define WITH_DEPRECATED_FUNCTIONS
[23:13] <vorlon> hey, author of ./libdigidoc/DigiDocCert.h, maybe you should talk to the author of ./libdigidoc/DigiDocVerify.c about not using deprecated functions
[23:15] <mwhudson> vorlon: remove ldapvi/armhf? it uses a bunch of internal openldap apis and i just don't think we care to fix it
[23:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted lcm [source] (noble-proposed) [1.5.0~repack1-0ubuntu1]
[23:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libdigidoc (noble-proposed/universe) [3.10.5-4.1build2 => 3.10.5-4.1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[23:16] <vorlon> mwhudson: I was going to make a joke about this package being a backend for vi that stores your files in ldap, but apparently that's not far from the truth
[23:16] <vorlon> mwhudson: agreed, removing
[23:16] <mwhudson> vorlon: the package name certainly parses as "ldap" + "vi"
[23:17] <mwhudson> libengine-gost-openssl ... sounds fun
[23:17] <arraybolt3> Anything becomes cloud storage if you're determined enough
[23:17] <arraybolt3> re ldapvi
[23:17] <vorlon> I thought I touched libengine-gost-openssl already
[23:18] <mwhudson> vorlon: it's sad on ppc64el and s390x
[23:18] <vorlon> yeah
[23:18] <vorlon> there's an RC bug about it on s390x
[23:18] <mwhudson> in different ways, exciting
[23:18] <vorlon> ok I looked at this but apparently didn't follow through on binary removals
[23:18] <mwhudson> ah ok
[23:19] <mwhudson> is that the plan? it seems reasonable
[23:19] <vorlon> built on ppc64el in Debian; not in testing because s390x regressed
[23:19] <mwhudson> /<<PKGBUILDDIR>>/gost_omac_acpkm.c:280:20: error: writing 1 byte into a region of size 0 [-Werror=stringop-overflow=]
[23:19] <vorlon> but I don't want to spend time fixing this because GOST and removing it from release pocket will just cause it to migrate with fewer binaries so
[23:19] <mwhudson> gcc on ppc64el seems worse for this sort of thing? i bet -O2 would have it build
[23:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: lcm [amd64] (noble-proposed/universe) [1.5.0~repack1-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[23:19] <vorlon> mwhudson: oh that's recognizable ppc64el -O3 damage
[23:20] <vorlon> mwhudson: I've -Wno-error=strigop-overflow'ed a few times
[23:20] <mwhudson> vorlon: but in this case?
[23:20] <vorlon> sorry, I mean -Wno-error=strideboostrapgop-overflow
[23:20] <vorlon> mwhudson: I think it's fine to
[23:20] <mwhudson> vorlon: ok
[23:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libdigidoc [source] (noble-proposed) [3.10.5-4.1ubuntu1]
[23:20] <vorlon> mwhudson: but also not critical to fix because GOST
[23:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: lcm [ppc64el] (noble-proposed/universe) [1.5.0~repack1-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[23:21] <mwhudson> vorlon: so. are you going to remove the binaries? and i'll go onto the next one
[23:21] <vorlon> mwhudson: yes
[23:21] <mwhudson> vorlon: ack
[23:21] <vorlon> mwhudson: (it would still fail on s390x, so)
[23:21] <mwhudson> yeah removing s390x is clear
[23:22] <mwhudson> libesmtp
[23:22] <vorlon> I would love to see a bug report from IBM complaining to us about not supporting a Russian cipher
[23:23] <mwhudson> i was thinking that the number of users of GOST on s390x is probably quite low
[23:23] <mwhudson> ../headers.c:173:39: warning: format ‘%ld’ expects argument of type ‘long int’, but argument 4 has type ‘__time64_t’ {aka ‘long long int’} [-Wformat=]
[23:23] <mwhudson> good thing this build failed for other reasons!
[23:24] <mwhudson> uh these warnings are terrifying, maybe the package is just very broken on armhf
[23:25] <vorlon> libnginx-mod-js
[23:28] <liushuyu> vorlon: berkeley-abc patch forwarded to Debian
[23:28] <vorlon> liushuyu: cheers
[23:28] <vorlon> libnginx-mod-js, more ppc64el gcc being wrong
[23:29] <mwhudson> aareassad sadas why is this code casting time_t to void*
[23:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: lcm [armhf] (noble-proposed/universe) [1.5.0~repack1-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[23:30] <vorlon> mwhudson: something something time is a human construct
[23:31] <mwhudson> vorlon: and a void* is clearly large enough to store anything interesting
[23:31] <vorlon> On the Relativistic Effects of Casting time_t into a void*
[23:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: lcm [arm64] (noble-proposed/universe) [1.5.0~repack1-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[23:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libnginx-mod-js (noble-proposed/universe) [0.8.2-1build2 => 0.8.2-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[23:33] <mwhudson> i guess this code won't actually fail until 2038 so well
[23:33] <liushuyu> kcemu fix: https://code.launchpad.net/~liushuyu-011/ubuntu/+source/kcemu/+git/kcemu/+merge/464059
[23:33] <liushuyu> will submittodebian in a moment
[23:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libnginx-mod-js [source] (noble-proposed) [0.8.2-1ubuntu1]
[23:36] <liushuyu> taking libomxalsa
[23:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: uhttpmock0 (noble-proposed/universe) [0.5.5-0ubuntu2 => 0.5.5-2] (i386-whitelist) (sync)
[23:40] <mwhudson> testing a fix for libesmtp, moving on
[23:40] <liushuyu> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libomxalsa needs a no-change rebuild
[23:40] <liushuyu> No binary on Noble, previous binary copied from MM
[23:40] <vorlon> why does dolfin need testing for *all* versions of llvm?
[23:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted uhttpmock0 [sync] (noble-proposed) [0.5.5-2]
[23:41] <vorlon> liushuyu: omx was removed via Debian, did this get missed?
[23:42] <liushuyu> vorlon: Let me check if I am on the correct list
[23:43] <vorlon> liushuyu: was definitely deleted https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libomxalsa/+publishinghistory
[23:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: lcm [s390x] (noble-proposed/universe) [1.5.0~repack1-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[23:44] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: seriously, do you know *why* llvm triggers tests of dolfin?
[23:45] <liushuyu> vorlon: Okay, I was on the wrong list
[23:45] <mwhudson> liushuyu: uploaded kcemu btw
[23:45] <liushuyu> mwhudson: Thanks!
[23:45] <mwhudson> also uploaded libesmtp, it built in my ppa in like 90s
[23:45] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: skiptesting this, but I want to know where the buggy metadata is
[23:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: kcemu (noble-proposed/multiverse) [0.5.2+dfsg-1build3 => 0.5.2+dfsg-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[23:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libesmtp (noble-proposed/universe) [1.1.0-3.1build2 => 1.1.0-3.1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[23:46] <vorlon> bdmurray: it might be time to clean up all the skiptest hints that were added for the no-change rebuilds, most things that didn't migrate already had to have sourceful changes anyway so the hints will no longer apply
[23:46] <liushuyu> taking libprelude
[23:47] <liushuyu> libprelude is waiting on autopkgtests
[23:49] <mwhudson> lunch time
[23:49] <mwhudson> not much left!
[23:49] <vorlon> amikhalitsyn, juliank: lxc still failing its autopkgtests
[23:50] <bdmurray> calamares-settings-ubuntu built
[23:50] <liushuyu> Investigating odc build failure
[23:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted kcemu [source] (noble-proposed) [0.5.2+dfsg-1ubuntu1]
[23:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libesmtp [source] (noble-proposed) [1.1.0-3.1ubuntu1]
[23:51] <vorlon> liushuyu: related to the various gfortran packages removals I did yesterday on !amd64 per mwhudson's request; so let me know if there are more packages that need removing
[23:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: microbiomeutil (noble-proposed/universe) [20101212+dfsg1-5 => 20101212+dfsg1-6] (no packageset) (sync)
[23:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: lcm [riscv64] (noble-proposed/universe) [1.5.0~repack1-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[23:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted microbiomeutil [sync] (noble-proposed) [20101212+dfsg1-6]
[23:58] <vpa1977> taking metview ?
[23:58] <bdmurray> Ubuntu Kylin rebuilt


[00:13] <Guest21415> Hola
[06:02] <regedit> hello, how do i make kate show whitespace character symbols?
[08:13] <JunkHunk> hello I use gmail and i like the way it classifies mails but when I configured the account in kmail that clasification is lost...is there a way to synchronize it?
[08:14] <JunkHunk> in gmail is easy to keep mail subjects tidy
[09:42] <eXistenZe> Hey guys
[09:42] <eXistenZe> kubuntu 15.04 does not come with gtk3?
[09:43] <eXistenZe> "No package 'gtk+-3.0' found"
[11:45] <JunkHunk> hello I want to install MRTG on kubuntu 14.04 and I found this indications: http://oss.oetiker.ch/mrtg/doc/mrtg-unix-guide.en.html
[11:45] <JunkHunk> could anybody help me with dependencies?
[11:46] <JunkHunk> an easy way to know whether my system needs them or not and how to get them
[11:47] <JunkHunk> I find the MRTG web page indications too general and vague
[11:58] <JunkHunk> the official ubuntu docs don't care at all about dependencies: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MRTG
[11:58] <JunkHunk> I guess they are already in the system
[11:59] <JunkHunk> is snmpd equivalent to nagios?¿?
[12:15] <mparillo> Does apt-cache showpkg mrtg get you your dependencies?
[12:43] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[14:02] <crenaz> test
[14:30] <crenaz> hello
[15:19] <kass_> hi .
[15:26] <helltar_live> #helltar_live
[16:28] <clever> anybody can help today?'
[16:37] <BluesKaj> heh, instant gratification seems common on weekends
[16:38] <BluesKaj> [12:28] <clever> anybody can help today?'
[16:38] <BluesKaj> [12:29] <-- clever<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has left this server (Client Quit)
[16:39] <BluesKaj> waits less than a minute
[16:40] <BluesKaj> ok BBL
[18:57] <em> is there something like unetbootin for kubuntu? I want to make a bootale live flash drive for linux
[19:11] <em> how do you make a bootable live linux flashdrive on Kubuntu?
[19:18] <kyranBe> I just installed kubuntu 15.04 on an old acer laptop with a gefore 9700 mobile graphics card
[19:18] <kyranBe> I can get to the login screen, but after logging in it seems kwin crashes
[19:18] <kyranBe> and I get thrown back to the login screen
[19:18] <kyranBe> I'm currently using nouveau drivers
[19:19] <kyranBe> I tried the nvidia drivers as well, but same behaviour
[19:19] <kyranBe> any idea's?
[19:35] <BluesKaj> kyranBe, how old is the laptop? Have you had kubuntu on it before?
[19:41] <kyranBe> BluesKaj, it's about 8 years old, first kubuntu install on that machine
[19:41] <kyranBe> initially it was working, but with very bad rendering, using the nouveau driver
[19:41] <kyranBe> when i disabled compositing, it worked better, but there were still some strange drawing issues left and right
[19:42] <kyranBe> so I tried the nvidia driver, which results in the behaviour I explained before
[19:46] <Guest63652> hello, does anyone have a second to help me to fix hibernate on Kubuntu 14.04 ? (Using System76 Gazelle Professional)
[19:51] <Guest63652> Specifcally, when I sudo pm-hibernate, the computer successfully hibernates. When I press the power button to come out of hibernate mode the computer just about finishes resuming but does a complete reboot afterwards. I am using tuxonice, but the stock hibernate from kubuntu did the same thing.
[20:06] <lordievader> em: You can run unetbootin under Kubuntu just fine ;)
[20:18] <em> lordievader: so unetbootin is not some gnome thing that will bring half the ubuntu desktop with it?
[20:19] <lordievader> em: It shouldn't.
[21:15] <eXistenZe> Hey... someone here today?
[21:27] <lordievader> o/


[07:35] <starnix> Hello People, Good afternoon :]
[07:37] <starnix> Downloading, Trusty Tahr, alpha, made up mind of testing on different Architecture's. Never actually got involved.
[07:37] <starnix> Love of ubuntu & Gnome, this time I wan't to get involve as much as I could. Thanks.
[09:44] <esse2k> ubuntu gnome 13.10 touchscreen buggy, anyone know this problem? was working in 13.04. now cant click top menu
[09:45] <esse2k> clicking will just highlight the item but not open it
[09:59] <darkxst> esse2k, have heard of issues, but don't have a touchscreen to test
[09:59] <esse2k> ok thx anyway
[09:59] <darkxst> probably its an ubuntu issue though, unless you are using the PPA's
[10:00] <esse2k> i have just done the official upgrade that popped up
[10:02] <darkxst> esse2k, file a bug
[10:03] <esse2k> i think it might be related to the gnome upgrade because i had the same problem when i upgraded that before so i rolled back
[10:03] <esse2k> ok...
[10:04] <darkxst> perhaps try a fedora 19 live CD if you think its a gnome issue, just to confirm
[10:05] <esse2k> ok good idea
[10:05] <esse2k> t should be possible to roll back gnome version_
[10:05] <esse2k> im not too good at this yet...
[10:05] <darkxst> its not possible
[10:06] <esse2k> ahaa ok


[01:23] <angusthefuzz> What happens if I determined that bug 288119 should be filed against gnome-panel-data but it isnt a choice.  Should i choose gnome-panel?
[01:24] <angusthefuzz> nevermind, answered my own question
[05:31]  * Woody86 is away: I'll brb, PM me or say my name
[05:31]  * Woody86 is back (gone 00:00:23)
[05:47] <RAOF> !away > woody86
[05:50] <woody86> RAOF- did my away message just come up again?
[05:52] <RAOF> Only once; I only just noticed it.
[05:53] <RAOF> And it's annoying, and you might not have known that it's considered rude.
[05:58] <woody86> RAOF- Yeah, sorry about that, someone else let me know, too. I just switched from ChatZilla to xchat, and I didn't realize that it broadcast your away message like that, I thought it meant marking you as away on all networks. My bad :(
[05:58] <woody86> I changed it, so no worries anymore, but thanks for the pointer :)
[06:24] <lifeless> we should really remove that option from xchat :)
[06:25] <ikt> which option?
[06:25] <maco> ikt: the one where it prints your /away blah blah blah to the channel
[06:25] <maco> ikt: and when you come back it says you're coming back and how long you were gone
[06:26] <ikt> o
[06:56] <thekorn> good morning
[09:49] <joaopinto> anyone with know-how to guide me into troubleshooting a non working sound input problem ?
[09:56] <elmargol> any ideas on bug #236602
[10:16] <seb128> elmargol: try seeing what it's calling
[10:16] <elmargol> http://bayimg.com/nAlKFaABJ <-
[10:16] <elmargol> seb128: how?
[10:17] <seb128> elmargol: strace?
[10:37] <elmargol> seb128: i'm looking at the source. f-spot uses something called fime fetcher
[11:16] <elmargol> sebner: on #f-spot they tell my I need gnome-session in order to get this working :(
[11:17] <elmargol> sorry sebner wrong nick
[11:17] <sebner> elmargol: np
[11:36] <BUGabundo_work> hi
[11:36] <BUGabundo_work> coming from both #ubuntu+1 and #ubuntu-testing
[11:36] <BUGabundo_work> got a busybox with RC
[11:37] <BUGabundo_work> using 64bits booting from pendrive
[11:37] <BUGabundo_work> burned with usb-creator
[11:37] <BUGabundo_work> any idea on how to get logs?
[11:38] <james_w> BUGabundo_work: I would suggest you boot again, choose language, then hit F6
[11:38] <BUGabundo_work> ok
[11:38] <BUGabundo_work> then what?
[11:38] <james_w> then delete "quiet splash" from the kernel command line
[11:38] <james_w> and add break=top
[11:38] <BUGabundo_work> I already removed splash and quite
[11:38] <BUGabundo_work> I always do that
[11:38] <BUGabundo_work> ok
[11:38] <BUGabundo_work> break top
[11:38]  * BUGabundo_work rebooting
[11:39] <james_w> then we need to do some sed, but I can't remember the file to target
[11:39]  * BUGabundo_work booting
[11:39] <BUGabundo_work> ok
[11:39] <BUGabundo_work> it crashed even earlier
[11:39] <BUGabundo_work> at 2.744 sec
[11:39] <james_w> I need to know what dirs are in the root from your prompt
[11:39] <james_w> busybox?
[11:39] <BUGabundo_work> with input: at translated
[11:40] <BUGabundo_work> initramfs
[11:40] <james_w> if you've got a busybox prompt, that's not crashing, that's what break=top does
[11:40] <BUGabundo_work> ah ok
[11:40] <james_w> it allows you to get a shell before anything happens
[11:40] <BUGabundo_work> now what?
 I need to know what dirs are in the root from your prompt
[11:40] <BUGabundo_work> that's why it only took 2.7 secs
[11:40] <BUGabundo_work> ok
[11:41] <BUGabundo_work> ls it
[11:41] <james_w> yup
[11:41] <BUGabundo_work>  the /root is empty
[11:41] <BUGabundo_work> or did you mean / ?
[11:41] <james_w> yeah /
[11:41] <james_w> plain "ls"
[11:41] <james_w> is there a "scripts" dir?
[11:42] <BUGabundo_work> dev root bin conf etc lib sbin ...
[11:42] <james_w> ok
[11:42] <BUGabundo_work> scripts init lib64 var usr sys proc
[11:42] <BUGabundo_work> and tmp
[11:42] <james_w> ah, what's in scripts?
[11:42] <BUGabundo_work> yes there is
[11:42] <BUGabundo_work> need and ls of it?
[11:42] <BUGabundo_work> init-mount init-top nfs-top nfs...
[11:43] <BUGabundo_work> local-premount local dunctions casper-premount
[11:43] <BUGabundo_work> init-bottom local-bottom
[11:43] <BUGabundo_work> casper-bottom casper casper-functions casper helpers lupin-helpers
[11:44] <BUGabundo_work> done james_w
[11:44] <james_w> there we go
[11:44] <james_w> sed -i '2a set -x' scripts/casper
[11:44] <james_w> enter that
[11:45] <BUGabundo_work> humm here is ' on eng keyb?
[11:45] <BUGabundo_work> I have PT
[11:45] <james_w> " should work if you can find that
[11:45] <BUGabundo_work> I did
[11:45] <BUGabundo_work> its on º
[11:45] <BUGabundo_work> and ' is on ª
[11:45] <james_w> it's a US keyboard I think, so it doesn't match mine either
[11:46] <james_w> once that command completed successfully type "exit"
[11:46] <BUGabundo_work> it seems to be booting
[11:46] <james_w> and the boot will continue, but with even more messages, try and spot any errors
[11:46] <BUGabundo_work> nope
[11:46] <BUGabundo_work> back to initramfs
[11:46] <BUGabundo_work> let me do a pgup to see
[11:47] <BUGabundo_work> nothing there
[11:47] <amagee> hi.. i've never submitted a bug report to ubuntu before so i'm not really sure where to start.. but i'm trying to install 8.10 rc through the live cd and when i get to the partitioner, nothing comes up
[11:47] <james_w> no errors, or nothing?
[11:47] <BUGabundo_work> other then the usual "unable to enumerate usb port"
[11:47] <BUGabundo_work> nothing other then the usual boot stuff
[11:48] <amagee> is this an appropriate place to ask about that?
[11:48] <james_w> hmm
[11:48] <BUGabundo_work> no ERROR word around or FAIL
[11:49] <james_w> amagee: yes it is, can you quit ubiquity, and then open a terminal, then run 'ubiquity-gtk' and go through to the partitioner again
[11:49] <amagee> ok
[11:49] <BUGabundo_work> going back all the way to 42 sec I see nothing unusual
[11:49] <james_w> amagee: assuming you are installing Ubuntu, and not Kubuntu
[11:49] <amagee> yes
[11:49] <amagee> ubiquity is the installerL
[11:49] <amagee> installer?
[11:49] <james_w> BUGabundo_work: yeah, it won't necessarily have ERROR
[11:49] <james_w> amagee: yes
[11:49] <amagee> ok
[11:50] <james_w> amagee: you don't need to reboot or anything, just close it like a normal application
[11:50] <BUGabundo_work> any more ideas james_w?
[11:50] <amagee> um there's no ubiquity-gtk, there's just ubiquity and ubiquity-dm
[11:50] <james_w> BUGabundo_work: the "unable to enumerate usb port" sounds like it could be it, as you are trying to boot from USB
[11:50] <james_w> amagee: one second please
[11:51] <amagee> ok
[11:51] <BUGabundo_work> maybe
[11:51] <BUGabundo_work> but I've always seen that
[11:51] <BUGabundo_work> I think it's the webcam
[11:51] <BUGabundo_work> I can boot up on regular ibex and check the log
[11:51] <BUGabundo_work> I think I have a couple of them on some LP bugs
[11:53] <BUGabundo_work> james_w: ill look at regular boot
[11:53] <BUGabundo_work> with the break top
[11:54] <BUGabundo_work> or it can be a BIOS bug
[11:54] <BUGabundo_work> having the pen connected and choosing "boot from disk" fails
[11:54] <BUGabundo_work> and gets back to Casper
[11:54] <james_w> amagee: ah, it is just "ubiquity", sorry
[11:55] <amagee> ok
[11:55] <james_w> BUGabundo_work: so just having the pen connected causes normal boot to fail?
[11:55] <BUGabundo_work> no
[11:55] <BUGabundo_work> it fails to boot from disk
[11:55] <amagee> ok so i'm at the 'prepare partitions' screen again
[11:55] <amagee> no output to the console
[11:55] <BUGabundo_work> for some strange resson
[11:56] <BUGabundo_work> my bios sees pendrives as disks
[11:56] <BUGabundo_work> so you can only choose on to boot from
[11:56] <BUGabundo_work> ok, I booted to my disk
[11:56] <BUGabundo_work> and added break=top
[11:56] <BUGabundo_work> how can I make it stop around 40 sec?
[11:56] <BUGabundo_work> to check for the USB enumerate?
[11:57] <amagee> btw it worked fine in beta 5
[11:57] <BUGabundo_work> too fast for me
[11:58] <BUGabundo_work> I'll have to see dmesg when it boots
[11:58] <james_w> amagee: did you get to choose Guided or Manual partitioning yet?
[11:59] <amagee> no
[11:59] <amagee> it says 'setting up partitioner', then i get to the list of partitions, but there are no partitions
[11:59] <amagee> and all the buttons are grayed out
[11:59] <amagee> if i press next it says "No root file system is defined. Please correct this from the partitioning menu."
[12:00] <james_w> ah, that's not quite what you said when you came in
[12:00] <BUGabundo_work> james_w: http://paste.ubuntu.com/61928
[12:00] <amagee> if i press back it does nothing (!)
[12:00] <james_w> all the buttons are greyed out?
[12:00] <amagee> yep
[12:00] <amagee> new partition table, new partition, etc
[12:00] <james_w> ouch
[12:00] <james_w> BUGabundo_work: that's from a successful boot?
[12:01] <BUGabundo_work> yep
[12:01] <BUGabundo_work> from my intrepid install
[12:01] <BUGabundo_work> can't see any enumerate lines on the log
[12:01] <james_w> amagee: you don't have a "/dev/sda" Device?
[12:01] <james_w> or anything in the box?
[12:02] <BUGabundo_work> bah
[12:02] <BUGabundo_work> they are on the kernel log
[12:02] <BUGabundo_work> pastin now
[12:02] <BUGabundo_work> james_w: http://paste.ubuntu.com/61930
[12:02] <BUGabundo_work> so that can't be it
[12:03] <amagee> james_w: what exactly do you mean
[12:03] <amagee> there are no devices listed in the bok
[12:03] <james_w> amagee: here in the large table in the middle I have in the Device column "/dev/sda", do you have anything in the table?
[12:03] <amagee> box
[12:04] <amagee> no, there's nothing at all in the table
[12:04] <BUGabundo> Oct 24 10:48:08 blubug kernel: [    3.965071] hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 1
[12:04] <BUGabundo> this is what I had on the pen boot too
[12:04] <BUGabundo> any more tips?
[12:04] <james_w> amagee: ok, are you just installing on to a normal hard drive, or is there anything odd about your setup?
[12:04] <BUGabundo> should I MD5 the pen install?
[12:04] <james_w> BUGabundo: definitely
[12:04] <BUGabundo> the iso md5 is valid. I always check
[12:04] <james_w> though I don't know how to do that.
[12:05] <james_w> BUGabundo: have you done the intergrity check from the boot menu?
[12:05] <amagee> james_w: um, a normal hard drive.. it has a fair few partitions already on it though
[12:05] <amagee> but as i said it worked fine in beta 5
[12:05] <BUGabundo> no I didn't
[12:05] <BUGabundo> /media/KINGSTON$ md5sum -c md5sum.txt > /tmp/md5rc
[12:06] <amagee> it's already got like 2x ext3, 2x ntfs and a swap
[12:06] <BUGabundo> james_w: http://paste.ubuntu.com/61931/
[12:06] <james_w> amagee: ok, i think you should file a bug on "ubiquity" with all of the information that you told me
[12:06] <BUGabundo> all OK
[12:07] <BUGabundo_work> running out of ideas!
[12:07] <amagee> james_w: ok.. how exactly do i do that?
[12:07] <BUGabundo_work> this is recent
[12:07] <BUGabundo_work> last week I booted fine
[12:08] <james_w> amagee: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+filebug
[12:08] <amagee> ubuntu-bug ubiquity?
[12:08] <james_w> or that, yes
[12:08] <amagee> is that better?
[12:08] <james_w> yeah, that's better
[12:09] <BUGabundo_work> james_w: should I try the 32 bits version?
[12:09] <james_w> BUGabundo: you could do
[12:09] <BUGabundo_work> will it do me any good?
[12:09] <BUGabundo_work> eheh
[12:09] <amagee> or since it's still running, ubuntu-bug PID
[12:16] <amagee> james_w: i've submitted the bug report.. thanks for your help
[12:16] <amagee> pretty impressed with the bug system :)
[12:17] <BUGabundo_work> james_w: new i386 image burned
[12:17] <BUGabundo_work> will reboot as soon as the 68 updates are instaled
[12:24] <johnflux> if I create a new bug, by default it sets the bug as "This bug doesn't affect me "
[12:24] <johnflux> which is rather strange
[12:25] <amagee> indeed
[12:25] <johnflux> why would I report a bug that doesn't effect me? :)
[12:25] <Hobbsee> there's already a bug reported about that
[12:25] <johnflux> ha
[12:26] <BUGabundo_work> eheh
[12:26] <BUGabundo_work> I've filed bugs that don't affect me!
[12:26] <BUGabundo_work> its a choise
[12:27] <BUGabundo_work> but of course the large majority I'm affected by then
[12:27] <BUGabundo_work> *them
[12:29]  * BUGabundo_work rebooting to rc 32bits
[12:29] <BUGabundo_work> james_w: same busy box on i386
[12:30] <james_w> hmm
[12:30] <amagee> do bugs like mine usually get fixed quickly?
[13:22] <Rocket2DMn> why am I unable to view bug 288691 ?  I thought bugcontrol had access to private bugs
[13:24] <thekorn> Rocket2DMn: private bugs can only be accessed by the reporter and the direct subscribers,
[13:25] <Rocket2DMn> hmm, alright.  I've been working on bug 285682 and the OP was able to file a bug through apport I guess, but I just can't look at it
[13:26] <Rocket2DMn> If I have him subscribe me to it, I will be able to view it then thekorn ?
[13:27] <BUGabundo_work> or you can email the bug report, and ask the op to remove the private flag
[13:27] <Rocket2DMn> can the gvfs team view it?
[13:28] <Rocket2DMn> I'm not trying to break through the security, if it's private for a reason, then I'll leave it as so.  I was going to finish the triage on the initial bug anyway
[13:28] <thekorn> Rocket2DMn: exactly, when the reporter subscribs you to the bugreport, you can access this one
[13:29] <Rocket2DMn> thanks thekorn , ill have him subscribe me.
[13:29] <thekorn> Rocket2DMn: or wait a bit until the retracer adds ubuntuu-bugs as a subscription
[13:30] <Rocket2DMn> ahhhhhhh, i thought it was strange that i couldnt see it.  bugcontrol DOES have access to private reports right?
[13:30] <Rocket2DMn> I've always been able to see them in the search queries and access them
[13:34] <james_w> Rocket2DMn: no, bugcontrol gets no special access granted by LP.
[13:35] <james_w> Rocket2DMn: however, when apport retraces a bug it subscribes the crash bug triagers, of which bugcontrol is a member, so any member of bug control can view the bug.
[13:36] <Rocket2DMn> oic.  launchpad is one of those few things that i never bothered to learn the intracacies of
[13:45] <thekorn> Rocket2DMn: damn, I lost my connection, sorry, I hope your questions were answered
[13:47] <BUGabundo_work> james_w: can you take a look at bug 288617
[13:47] <james_w> why me>
[13:47] <BUGabundo_work> any more tests I can do to figure why my system won't boot from pendrive?
[13:48] <Hobbsee> james_w: because you have to fix everything!
[13:48] <BUGabundo_work> eheh why not james_w?
[13:48] <BUGabundo_work> Hobbsee: any tips are welcome
[13:48] <BUGabundo_work> I want to file that report with as much acure intel as I can
[13:48]  * Hobbsee shrugs.  no idea
[13:49] <Treenaks> BUGabundo_work: does it boot from other pendrives? do other systems boot from the pendrive? it could be a hardware thing..
[13:50] <james_w> BUGabundo_work: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingGNOMEPowerManager#Finding out why suspend or hibernate aren't offered
[13:50] <BUGabundo_work> thanks james_w
[13:50] <BUGabundo_work> Treenaks: haven't tried other systems today
[13:50] <BUGabundo_work> ill use another pc here at work....
[13:50] <BUGabundo_work> but they are slower machines and most of them 32 bits
[13:51] <BUGabundo_work> on my laptop I've used 2 pendrives
[13:51] <BUGabundo_work> from the same iso, both using usb-creator
[13:52] <BUGabundo_work> even if it was HW
[13:52] <BUGabundo_work> its strange it work all the way up to last week
[13:52] <BUGabundo_work> Monday was the 1st day I noticed I couldn't boot from pen
[13:53]  * BUGabundo_work rebooting another PC to test i386 image
[13:53] <Rocket2DMn> thekorn, yes, thank you.  I'm running afk :)
[13:55] <BUGabundo_work> Treenaks: what does "missing operating system" mean?
[13:56] <BUGabundo_work> I've booted this PC just this week from clonezilla
[13:56] <james_w> BUGabundo_work: can you boot from CD?
[13:56] <BUGabundo_work> so I know it can boot from USB
[13:56] <BUGabundo_work> bah... do I really need to burn media?
[13:56] <BUGabundo_work> I only have DVDs here
[13:56] <BUGabundo_work> humm
[13:56] <james_w> BUGabundo_work: that's probably a usb-creator bug, you need to run install-mbr /dev/sdb or whatever
[13:56] <BUGabundo_work> I have an RW around
[13:57]  * BUGabundo_work burning DVD rw
[13:58] <BUGabundo_work> doesn't burn to disc offer to format rw?
[13:58] <BUGabundo_work> bah I'm starting to lose features
[15:56] <bdmurray> mvo: ping
[15:57] <mvo> bdmurray: pong
[15:58] <bdmurray> mvo: you were looking for some logs for a filed kde4 remix upgrade to Intrepid right?
[15:58] <mvo> bdmurray: yes
[15:58]  * BUGabundo_work booting via CD to check if usb-creater has a bug. wgrant james_w
[15:59] <bdmurray> mvo: bug 277285 has some but I upgraded yesterday without a problem
[15:59] <BUGabundo_work> james_w: guess what?
[15:59] <BUGabundo_work> "Reboot and Select proper Boot device"
[16:00] <BUGabundo_work> how can a CD not be recognised?
[16:00] <BUGabundo_work> actaully it's a DVD-RW but still...
[16:01] <mvo> bdmurray: thanks, I check it out
[16:01] <mvo> bdmurray: one issue I found was that gobuntu-desktop causes trouble, but that is fixed now (fix is in the queue)
[16:02] <mvo> bdmurray: hmmm, thanks for this one, I have a suspicion
[16:02] <mvo> we really should just have kept the kubuntu-kde4-desktop package as a transitional package in the archive :/
[16:03] <bdmurray> mvo: kubuntu-kde4-desktop is quirked though right?
[16:03] <mvo> bdmurray: it is, however I believe that there is a corner case not covered
[16:03] <mvo> I test this theory now
[16:04] <bdmurray> mvo: okay thanks, let me now as I've found a couple of likely duplicates
[16:05] <mvo> will do, takes ~10min
[16:08] <jibel> mvo: bug 277389 is also a duplicate with some log files if it helps
[16:11] <bdmurray> heh bug 288746
[16:21] <BUGabundo_work> booting via CD seems to not fail as did pendrive wgrant james_w
[16:21] <BUGabundo_work> who is the guy behind usb-creator?
[16:21] <BUGabundo_work> I have a new bug for him
[16:21] <BUGabundo_work> wgrant: now to try suspend to ram from livecd
[16:23] <BUGabundo_work> wgrant: suspend works with RC LiveCD
[16:30] <mvo> bdmurray, jibel: thanks, I can reproduce it now and I'm in the process of fixing it
[16:31] <bdmurray> mvo: okay, so bug 277285 should be the master?
[16:31] <mvo> bdmurray: yeah, sounds good
[16:31] <mvo> thanks a lot for brining this up
[16:31]  * mvo hugs bdmurray
[16:35] <bdmurray> mvo: no problem, I'll be interested to see what was going on and the fix
[16:39] <bdmurray> oh Launchpad you big tease
[17:02] <mvo> bdmurray: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/update-manager/main/revision/1146?start_revid=1146 <- this should fix it, I'm testing it right now
[18:02] <woody86> is there any way to remove a comment from LP?
[18:05] <greg-g> woody86: If you feel it is inappropriate content/spam you can email the launchpad-users mailing list (http://lists.ubuntu.com).
[18:05] <bdmurray> I think answers is the right way to go
[18:05] <greg-g> ah
[18:06] <greg-g> I have only seen it on the lp-users list,  so that is what I think of
[18:07] <woody86> greg-g-  well I kind of made a silly mistake, I had 2 bugs open in tabs next to eachother, and I minimized them for a little bit while I was looking some info up, and I accidentally left the comment on the wrong bug :P
[18:11] <bdmurray> see https://answers.launchpad.net/malone/ for examples
[18:27] <stpere> someone can tell me where should I go to fix a translation error in jockey?
[18:28] <stpere> launchpad tells me :  This project is not configured to use Launchpad for translations.
[18:28] <nellery> stpere: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+translations
[18:34] <stpere> I typed the name of the program "jockey" into the search box at the top of tha page, it found it, I clicked on "Help translate" and it told me that the project wasn't configured to use Launchpad for translations
[18:35] <stpere> and trying to find the template name where nellery you shown me is very slow
[18:35] <stpere> because they are sorted by importance and I can't sort it by name
[18:55] <persia> stpere, The difference is that upstream jockey doesn't use LP for translations, but the jockey in Ubuntu does, so you'll have to do it the awkward way.  Someone in #launchpad might have a better idea of how to navigate to what you want.
[21:27] <marmuta> hi, I'm trying to assign my bug to an Ubuntu source package but can't figure out how
[21:28] <marmuta> the project search returns only the standalone project "onboard"
[21:29] <marmuta> what would I enter as project to link it to ubuntu source package onboard?
[21:29] <afflux> marmuta: nothing. Use "also affects distribution"
[21:31] <marmuta> yay, thank you afflux, it worked!
[21:31] <afflux> you're welcome
[23:42] <angusthefuzz> what is the triage protocol if bug creators cant provide information because they downgraded distros?
[23:47] <bdmurray> try to recreate the bug
[23:48] <angusthefuzz> i thought of that but its hardware specific
[23:48] <angusthefuzz> bug 287866
[23:48] <angusthefuzz> its grossly incomplete as well
[23:49] <bdmurray> Maybe give it some time and see if anyone else comments on it or ask them to test with a Live CD.
[23:50] <persia> Might be a good idea to wait until after intrepid release : the debug information may still be useful for jaunty, and more users may have that device.
[23:51] <angusthefuzz> okay, thanks for the help
[23:52] <calc> anyone know how i switch to the guest user in intrepid, i need to test a bug with it


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