[08:43] <astraljava> Hmm... could be that our video-genre deficiency is possibly removed soon? http://www.lwks.com/
[09:42] <jussi> yeah, i saw that -looks fantastic
[13:50] <len-dt> astraljava, Our list of conflicts has gotten bigger.. just got a bunch of  build fails in email.
[13:51] <astraljava> len-dt: Heh, cool. :) Well, I'm just leaving the office, so I'll dive in in a few minutes.
[13:51] <len-dt> Great, I am on my way to work...
[13:52] <len-dt> The emails are not in order BTW
[13:52] <astraljava> "Have a nice day!"  I was on support duty today, and tomorrow still... :-/
[13:52] <len-dt> Long hours?
[13:53] <astraljava> Not very, but when the customers are like the few today... They sure feel like it.
[13:53] <len-dt> :-)
[14:51] <holstein> ailo: yeah.. how to make it easier to revert to the old way ;)
[14:52] <ailo> Yep
[14:53] <ailo> For a few releases, the qjackctl starter had the pasuspender command in it
[14:53] <ailo> But now, it's not "needed" with the default config
[14:53]  * holstein is a fuddy-duddy ;)
[14:53] <ailo> We should add this to ubuntustudio-controls. Have a toggle for enabling/disabling the PA bridge
[14:54] <holstein> ailo: i like that a lot!
[15:01] <ailo> Actually, pasuspender is still there
[15:01] <ailo> in /usr/bin/qjackctl
[15:02] <ailo> It should kick in if needed, but I don't yet know the logic behind that script
[15:04] <holstein> well... if you dont, i know i wont get it
[15:06] <ailo> I figure there might be a bug involved
[15:06] <ailo> /usr/bin/pasuspender/usr/bin/X11/pasuspender doesn't seem like an executable to me
[15:06] <holstein> we should file that... that sux its like that in the LTS
[15:07] <holstein> is that something we can fix and "update"
[15:07] <holstein> ?
[15:07] <ailo> We will want to backport qjackctl as soon as it appears in debian repos
[15:07] <ailo> The newer one
[15:07] <ailo> Since we already have a bug with that one
[15:08] <holstein> cool
[15:11] <ailo> I'll have a look at the qjackctl starter script now, and discuss it with deb packagers. If it's a but, it would be nice to have it fixed for the next qjackctl package and get two flies in one blow
[15:11] <ailo> if it's a bug*
[16:15] <ailo> I've been a little busy lately. Eager to finish the website, but I won't do anything about that today. I've set it as a goal for myself to do what I can about that this week
[16:16] <ailo> holstein: You have any suggestions for the website right now? (other than obvious edits to the staging site to make it up to date)
[16:37] <ailo> holstein: /usr/bin/qjackctl is not buggy, just enhanced
[16:38] <ailo> It now assumes you always have pulseaudio-module-jack installed, to enable the jack-pulse bridge. But, if you disable d-bus (jackdmp), starting jack from qjackctl will suspend PA
[16:41] <ailo> Er, can't confirm that yet..
[16:54] <ailo> Nope. I can't make sense of it. I posted about it to the debian multimedia team, so hopefully they can tell me how it is supposed to work
[17:39] <knome> hmpf.
[18:17] <scott-work> for those interested:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-quantal-flavor-ubuntustudio
[18:17] <scott-work> this is the "header" blueprint for our other blueprints, look at bottom of page and click on a oval to see that blueprint
[18:17] <scott-work> i'll post to the list later
[18:17] <scott-work> also....
[18:17] <scott-work> PLEASE feel free to review them and change things!!!
[18:18] <scott-work> especially replacing [ubuntustudio-dev] with [<yournamehere>] as you feel you want to commit to an item
[18:18] <scott-work> and i'll be reviewing these again later tonight/tomorrow and making tweaks as well
[18:19] <scott-work> i'm hoping len-dt, in particular, will review https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntustudio-q-performance
[18:19] <scott-work> and i'm hoping ailo will review https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntustudio-q-documentation
[18:20] <scott-work> ailo: please note the documentation blueprint includes others that you have not committed, don't worry about these as i expect to head these up
[20:30] <ailo> scott-work: I do believe the documentation I have provided covers some of those items, but of course, some could be reviewed
[20:31] <scott-work> ailo: no problems, i just didn't want you to think you were responsible for ALL of it, but please add your launchpad name to the items you have done/plan to do
[20:34] <ailo> scott-work: I wouldn't mind taking the lead on the whole documentation blueprint, and thus being responsible for all of it. It would help making the organization of it in sync with what has been done, and what has been discussed. Also, I would be responsible for keeping track of all of it
[20:35] <ailo> I mean, keeping track of everything that anyone would think is worth documenting
[20:35] <knome> isn't there also the general assignee field for every blueprint?
[20:40] <ailo> scott-work: I'm a bit late to suggest this, but I also did get into it pretty late, so it's only natural
[20:43] <scott-work> ailo: ptttthh, i'm the late one to this party
[20:44] <scott-work> ailo: i think you should be lead for documentation
[20:45]  * knome kicks scott-work in the ankle shouting: yes you are! (:
[20:46] <scott-work> hehe,,,it's funny because it's true!
[20:46] <ailo> scott-work: Good. I'll try to make the most of it this summer!
[20:49] <scott-work> ailo: my plans are to still help with the development and testing documentation. i'm hoping that janne will help with the testing processes, but his involvement isn't absolutely critical
[20:52] <ailo> scott-work: I think I will be able to cover most things. One I won't be putting too much attention is material for workflows. I won't mind organizing it, but I won't be producing it. Testing I will be producing, as well as user docs
[20:52] <scott-work> ailo: i'll be able to add several HOWTO's as well for various workflows
[20:53] <scott-work> ailo: and i don't mind taking care of the workflow producing and organizing
[20:57] <ailo> As for testing, I will of course do my best to be ancle deep in it, as much as I can, but it will be up to anyone involved to help decide how to go about it. Since I will be doing a lot of the testing (been setting up a minor facility here at home), it makes sense that I document it.
[21:26] <scott-work> ailo: one thing you should really look into is the vm tools that the security team has been using
[21:26] <scott-work> they do somethings that are completely stupid simple
[21:27] <scott-work> like 'vm new' which will download the current image, copy and edit some xml, fire up a vm, and start a new instance with the downloaded image
[21:27] <scott-work> there are some tweaks needed i'm sure, e.g. like adjusting the image name/location
[21:27] <scott-work> and apparently the iso testing team also has some automation that could be really, really usefull (i can't currently remember what it was but i have it written down in my blog and elsewhere)
[21:31] <ailo> scott-work: I'll have a look
[21:33] <scott-work> here is the blueprint for qa-tools:  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-tools
[21:33] <scott-work> you will probably have to locate them in the security PPA
[21:35] <knome> that doesn't look like a blueprint :)
[21:45] <scott-work> sorry, doing too many things and knome is quite correct
[21:45] <scott-work> i had the blueprint but copied the address from the wrong tab
[21:45] <knome> :)=
[21:45] <scott-work> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20523/qa-q-ubuntu-qa-tools/
[21:46] <scott-work> just received an email from the kernel people (well leann and tim and their kernel mail list) about the lowlatency kernel
[21:46] <scott-work> tim had committed to getting the lowlatency into the kernel team if they had collapsed a few other kernels, which had been accomplished
[21:47] <scott-work> leann was wanting reminders for the compelling reasons to do so. i complied.
[21:47] <scott-work> i hope this helps push this through and something doesn't fall out of place
[21:48] <scott-work> okay, going home


[02:46] <raevol> spammin': https://openmw.org/2014/openmw-0-33-0-released/
[02:46] <darthrobot> Title: [OpenMW 0.33.0 Released! | OpenMW, Open source Elderscrolls III: Morrowind reimplementation, Morrowind remake, Morrowind remade,]
[02:49] <nhaines> Not interested in that today.  GOG released X-Wing and also TIE Fighter, plus KOTOR.
[02:50] <rww> implying you have time to play those when you're out getting DOUBLE AP
[03:05] <nhaines> rww: they're on my queue.  :P  Besides, I'm already L9, so I'm getting the silver badge anyway. :P
[03:06] <raevol> didn't realize this was #nhaines, sorry :p
[03:08] <nhaines> raevol: get back to me with your awesome Morrowind reimplementation when I'm not celebrating LucasArts games.  :P
[03:08] <nhaines> Although I suppose one could buy Indiana Jones or Sam & Max and play them in SCUMMVM now.
[14:03] <Roguehorse> =)
[17:12] <Roguehorse> Hey
[17:23] <pleia2> g'day Roguehorse
[17:34] <Roguehorse> Hi..while you're here I want to apologize for missing the 14.10 release party @ Mozilla
[17:35] <Roguehorse> I would have _loved_ to have been there and have gotten caught up in other things missing many important events
[17:40] <pleia2> apologies go to jyo :) I was in north carolina
[17:52] <Roguehorse> LOL! My sister lives there, she has a place way out in the sticks
[17:56] <pleia2> I was in raleigh for a conference
[19:00] <Roguehorse> My sister lives in Currie
[19:00] <pleia2> huh, north carolina is pretty big
[19:02] <Roguehorse> I always trip on the Atlantic being so warm..she used to live in Wilmington for a long time near the beach
[19:02] <Roguehorse> it is big
[19:03] <pleia2> October in the south is kind of nice
[19:03] <pleia2> I'm in Florida now
[19:04] <pleia2> 80F, humidity is kind of ick, but it's not that bad for year
[19:04] <pleia2> s/year/here


[03:10] <jcastro> czajkowski: around?
[03:59] <G> jcastro: hey your Adopt-A-Package post to ubuntu-server was interesting to me, would be interested if you had a list of packages that really need help in the server arena
[04:15] <jcastro> G: my post was hoping to get that list started, as I am not on the server team but hoping to get a list too
[04:17] <G> jcastro: ahhh okay :)
[04:28] <jcastro> but I hope you'll be around when they add to it. :D
[04:32] <nigelb> jcastro: wait, you didnt go yet?
[04:32] <jcastro> no
[04:32] <jcastro> not until wed.
[04:32] <nigelb> Aha :)
[04:51] <G> jcastro: I'll continue to lurk around libvirt then :P
[04:51] <jcastro> wooo
[04:51] <jcastro> G: just add yourself and libvirt, don't be shy
[06:11] <jcastro> G: please feel free to "hang tight" while we sort this server adopter business
[06:11] <jcastro> success of the project depends on people like you!
[06:12] <jcastro> pleia2: you around?
[06:19] <G> jcastro: haha will do :)
[06:53] <pleia2> jcastro: sorta now, but heading to bed soon
[06:54] <jcastro> pleia2: just a quick idea
[06:54] <pleia2> shoot
[06:54] <jcastro> I notice people randomly join -classroom asking for help
[06:54]  * pleia2 nods
[06:54] <jcastro> I was wondering if a /topic with instructions when there isnt' a class might help
[06:54] <jcastro> something like
[06:55] <jcastro> "feel free to idle, but this room is for scheduled classes, if you need help see, foo, bar, baz" kind of thing
[06:56] <pleia2> it does currently say "Support in #ubuntu" but something more explicit couldn't help
[06:56] <pleia2> err, hurt!
[06:56] <jcastro> just an idea
[06:56] <jcastro> go party!
[06:57] <pleia2> I'll nudge other -classroom folks and get it changed (needs to be updated in classbot too)
[06:57] <pleia2> haha, sleep > party, had lovely ubuntu tables at the big linux picnic out here today, but I'm beat :)
[06:57] <pleia2> (and a bit sunburnt, oops)
[06:57] <jcastro> my entire forehead is peeling
[06:57] <jcastro> lol San Diego
[06:57] <pleia2> hehe
[06:58] <pleia2> california has brighter sun, I think ;)
[06:58] <jcastro> they make it so when it shines on you it costs an extra dollar per hour
[08:03] <jcastro> hey
[08:03] <jcastro> who is awake
[08:03] <maco> o/
[08:03] <jcastro> http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/991585979/who-are-your-mentors
[08:03] <jcastro> new meme
[08:03] <jcastro> rock it
[08:05] <maco> jcastro: "I quit the team and had a temper tantrum a few years ago" <-- when did i miss this?
[09:15] <jcastro> lol
[09:15] <jcastro> way before your time. :)
[09:15] <jcastro> elky probably remembers
[09:21] <jcastro> maco: don't focus on that crap anyway, it's all about the new people anyway
[09:36] <jussi> hi jcastro
[09:36] <jcastro> hi jussi
[09:36] <jcastro> off to bed, nite
[09:37] <jussi> nini
[11:32] <czajkowski> jcastro: aloha
[11:33] <czajkowski> Good morning folks
[11:43] <G> czajkowski: evening
[11:45] <sense> good morning
[11:47] <czajkowski> G: ello
[11:47] <czajkowski> sense: hey
[11:48] <sense> hi czajkowski
[11:48]  * czajkowski is going through all of the teams with no counteries and havng to assign them a country and lanauge
[11:48] <czajkowski> *language
[11:48] <sense> czajkowski: Can't you take the languages from Launchpad?
[11:48] <sense> Teams can set their languages there.
[11:48] <sense> Not that all teams use that...
[11:49] <czajkowski> sense: see they haven't done it
[11:50] <czajkowski> and when I'm in the LD which I can edit , lanauges is a mandatory field
[11:50] <sense> ah, ok
[11:51] <czajkowski> 20 USA teams once thats done it'll be a large Chunk of it done tbh
[11:51] <sense> I hope you've automised that part. :)
[11:53] <sense> czajkowski: I've got a bug in the LoCo Directory: lately my username was changed, but now I log in in LD it still associates my Launchpad ID with my old username, therefore I cannot manage the Ubuntu Fry team.
[11:53] <sense> Who should I bug?
[11:56] <czajkowski> launchpad
[11:56] <czajkowski> it's not a bug in LD
[11:56] <sense> ok!
[11:57] <czajkowski> something to do with your sign on I think
[12:04] <sense> yeah
[12:13] <czajkowski> sense: your team isn't updated either :( http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-nl
[12:13] <czajkowski> well it is now
[12:45] <czajkowski> sense: why did you log the bug against the LD did someone in LP say so ?
[14:40] <czajkowski> phew done
[14:41] <nigelb> czajkowski: I owe you something.  Whenever you have time :)
[14:42] <czajkowski> can you give me about 30 mins and I'll be free again
[14:42] <czajkowski> I need to hoover the house before the folks come back
[14:43] <czajkowski> and not look at a computer for 30 mins :)
[14:43] <nigelb> sure :)
[15:08] <czajkowski> nigelb: see on http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ the last 2 teams under no country
[15:08] <czajkowski> any idea are they under india ?
[15:09]  * nigelb goes to check
[15:10] <czajkowski> thanks
[15:11] <nigelb> yep, tamil.
[15:11] <nigelb> vish: could you help laura? (I don't read tamil)
[15:11] <czajkowski> they are both under which country so ?
[15:12] <vish> nigelb:  hehe , i dont read Tamil either :D
[15:12]  * vish hides from amachu!
[15:12]  * nigelb kicks vish
[15:12] <nigelb> czajkowski: India
[15:12] <nigelb> ok, using my logical skills, one of them is coimbatore (/me glares at vish) and the other one is trichy
[15:12] <czajkowski> but they are both owned by the same person arent' they
[15:13] <nigelb> oh?
[15:13] <nigelb> checking
[15:13] <vish> hmm , wait let me read the backlog first!
[15:14] <nigelb> czajkowski: seems to be same owner and same members too.  that's strange
[15:14] <czajkowski> strange/annoying/frustrating
[15:14] <czajkowski> :)
[15:15] <nigelb> true.
[15:16] <czajkowski> which lanugage should I assign to them do ye know
[15:17] <nigelb> tamil
[15:17] <vish> czajkowski: cbe is short for coimbatore , which is in Tamil Nadu , India
[15:17] <nigelb> vish: Other one is trichy?
[15:19] <czajkowski> shall tamil as well
[15:19] <czajkowski> it can be changed
[15:19] <czajkowski> namely if the guy wants to create 2 teams, he should be updating them
[15:20] <nigelb> Yes, both Tamil.  Both India.
[15:21] <vish> czajkowski: amachu is from trichy, iirc
[15:21] <vish> native trichy , living in chennai it think.. but dont know him personally though..
[15:22] <nigelb> vish: you're in CBE right?
[15:22] <vish> nope..
[15:22] <nigelb> somehow I had the impression that you were.
[15:22] <nigelb> vish: where are you then? chennai?
[15:23] <vish> yup..
[15:23] <nigelb> Ah. Wonder whhy I thought CBE.  Must have confused with someone else.
[16:38] <nigelb> jussi: Google video chat seems to work for my friend.
[16:38] <nigelb> (some setting to be done he said)
[16:55] <czajkowski> Filing a RT is like filing an windows bug, you're not sure what happens it or if someone has read it !
[16:55] <nigelb> hahah
[16:56] <czajkowski> it's funny cause it's true
[16:57] <nigelb> czajkowski: I did suggest poking a Canonoical person ftr :D
[16:58] <czajkowski> am doing so  as well
[16:58] <czajkowski> but tis the weekend
[17:01] <jcastro> BOO. Only 20 new people on stackexchange since last night
[17:01] <jcastro> tell a friend!
[17:02] <nigelb> czajkowski: ^^ you have Canonical person.
[17:02] <jcastro> don't look at me for RT, I have no power
[17:02] <czajkowski> hehe
[17:03] <czajkowski> nigelb: I've poked canonical-sysadmin but there no vanguard update, will keep an eye on them thanks
[17:03] <czajkowski> jcastro: aloha there
[17:03] <nigelb> jcastro: you should know who's the vanguard.
[17:03] <czajkowski> nigelb: they should update the topic..
[17:03] <jcastro> I know there is supposed to be a vanguard
[17:03] <jcastro> I don't know who it is
[17:03] <nigelb> czajkowski: yes, but AFAIK there is somone on the job at *all* times.
[17:03] <jcastro> even on the weekends?
[17:03] <nigelb> I heard so.
[17:04]  * nigelb isn't sure though.
[17:04] <nigelb> should ask elmo or Ng if that is indeed the case.
[17:24] <nhandler> nigelb: I doubt it. Even if there is someone who is meant to be on the job, there are several gaps with no vanguard (as well as vacations, sprints, and other similar things)
[17:24] <nigelb> nhandler: hm, ok :)
[17:24] <maco> there's supposed to be an on-call sysadmin at all times
[17:24] <nigelb> see?
[17:24] <maco> because what if ubuntu.com went offline?
[17:25] <nigelb> I wasn't hallucinating.
[17:25] <nigelb> ;)
[17:25] <maco> Ubuntu Women made use of the existence of the on-call SA when our wiki was being vandalised by trolls
[17:25] <czajkowski> I'm sure of u.c went offline there'd be phones hopping
[17:25] <czajkowski> but I know many times I idle in c-syadmin there is no vanguard listed
[17:32] <czajkowski> ok have found an admin, they aren't actually on call on weekends
[17:47] <maco> czajkowski: while you're going through and putting nonexistent LD listings into countries, think you could go and delete the DCTeam entry?
[17:47] <czajkowski> maco: funnily enough I mailed the guy of you loco there a long time ago and asked him to do it
[17:47] <czajkowski> and it never was done
[17:47] <maco> what?
[17:47] <czajkowski> so we did it
[17:48] <maco> what are you on about?
[17:48] <czajkowski> DC
[17:48] <czajkowski> I mailed asking your team to look into it
[17:48] <maco> cjohnston came to our channel yesterday and said we need to set location and language on the DC team
[17:48] <maco> it was ALREADY SET
[17:48] <maco> because ours is "Washington, DC LoCo"
[17:48] <maco> the one that says DCTeam does not exist
[17:49] <czajkowski> maco: let me try again. I MAILED months ago to kjcole asking him to clarify which team was which
[17:49] <czajkowski> and to remove one of them
[17:49] <maco> https://edge.launchpad.net/~dcteam the "page not found" page might clarify things...
[17:50] <maco> im an admin for the team, and i dont see a "delete" button anywhere in the Edit Details page on the LD
[17:50] <czajkowski> there isn't
[17:50] <maco> so as far as i can tell, the DB is wrong
[17:50] <czajkowski> I'll log a bug
[17:51] <czajkowski> yup but there is a bug already in there against the DB for updating teams names
[17:51] <czajkowski> it's not doing something
[17:51] <maco> wasnt that marked as fixed a bit ago...?
[17:52] <nhandler> The issue was, there is no team-specific ID or anything like that which the LD can use to say "Oh, team.foo is really team.bar, just renamed". They were working on adding the ability for team admins to merge two teams to solve that
[17:53] <czajkowski> https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bugs
[17:53] <nigelb> nhandler: Ah, no key.  #fail.
[17:58] <czajkowski> https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/528829
[17:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 528829 in loco-directory "No field for 'state' in venue record (affects: 1) (heat: 3)" [High,Triaged]
[17:58] <czajkowski> bah
[17:58] <czajkowski> https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/582354
[17:58] <czajkowski> this one
[17:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 582354 in loco-directory "LD does not deal well with renamed teams (affects: 4) (dups: 3) (heat: 25)" [High,Triaged]
[17:58] <maco> heh no field for state
[17:59] <maco> we joked about putting ubuntu-us-notastateyet when told we needed ubuntu-us-<state>
[17:59] <maco> or -wewishwewereone
[17:59] <maco> things like that
[18:02] <nigelb> maco: hahah
[18:04] <maco> nigelb: license plates in DC say "taxation without representation"
[18:05] <nigelb> LOL
[18:05] <nhandler> maco: But you do get some electors for elections ;)
[18:05] <maco> plural? i thought we'd just have the one for eleanor holmes norton
[18:05] <maco> the states all get to elect president AND have some say in legislature
[18:06] <nhandler> maco: 23rd ammendment gave DC 3 electoral votes
[18:06] <maco> oh. i didnt know how many it was, just that it was alarmingly recent
[18:06] <maco> i maintain pennsylvania voter registration under my dad's address
[18:06] <maco> so i get to have 2 senators and a congress critte!
[18:06] <maco> *critter!
[18:07] <nigelb> hahaha
[18:07] <nhandler> Well, 50 years isn't *that* recent ;)
[18:07] <nigelb> critter :p
[18:07] <maco> nhandler: out of 200+!
[18:07] <nigelb> maco: DC doesn't count as state?
[18:07] <maco> nigelb: *District* of Columbia
[18:07]  * nigelb remembers hearing 55 states and D of C
[18:07] <maco> no, 50 states
[18:07] <nigelb> ok, I'm rusty :p
[18:07] <maco> and 8 (i think?) territories, of which DC is one
[18:08] <nigelb> territories/
[18:08] <nigelb> that's sad.
[18:08] <maco> like puerto rico & guam
[18:08] <czajkowski> oh after reading dan brown book I need to go visit DC
[18:08] <maco> puerto rico gets talked about as becoming the 51st state more often than dc does...and its not even attached!
[18:08] <nigelb> maco: does that benefit at all?
[18:09] <maco> nigelb: no
[18:09] <nigelb> here if a place is not a state, alcohol prices are cheap
[18:09] <nigelb> since liqour taxes are decided by state govt
[18:09] <nigelb> and well, if you're not a state, no tax!
[18:09] <maco> nigelb: at the time, it made sense for dc not to be a state / have representation because there were 3 kinds of people living here:  1) representatives/senators of other states 2) their wives 3) their slaves
[18:09] <nigelb> ditto for petrol/diesel too.
[18:09] <maco> and wives & slaves couldnt vote anyway
[18:10]  * nigelb o.O at slaves
[18:10] <nigelb> oh, this was 16th or 17th century?
[18:10] <nigelb> ;)
[18:10] <maco> 18th
[18:10] <maco> slavery was abolished in the mid 19th century
[18:10] <nigelb> 1800s?
[18:10] <maco> 18th c = 1700s
[18:11] <nigelb> doh, I knew that.  How did I misss it.
[18:11] <sense> We were late, in te 1860ties.
[18:11] <nigelb> hrm, nice bug description
[18:11] <maco> sense: 1864-1865 for the US
[18:11] <sense> maco: ah, ok
[18:11] <nigelb> "ntpd should run niced"
[18:12] <maco> nigelb: how silly. ntpd isnt exactly resource intensive...
[18:12] <maco> but it is time sensitive
[18:12] <maco> dont see why you'd nice it
[18:12] <sense> maco: What's the status of Puerto Rico? I never really grasped it. Is it some kind of colony?
[18:13] <nigelb> maco: what does nice do/
[18:13] <maco> sense: the people are full citizens. dont think thatd be the case with a colony
[18:13] <maco> nigelb: tells it how nice it should be about yielding cpu time
[18:13] <sense> maco: No
[18:14] <nigelb> maco: Ah.
[18:14] <maco> afaik, the difference between DC's status and puerto rico's is that amendment nhandler mentioned that lets DC residents vote in presidential electioons
[18:14] <maco> puerto ricans are citizens but have absolutely no say in the federal government
[18:15] <sense> ah
[18:15] <maco> they can move to florida for election years i guess...
[18:16] <sense> :P
[18:17] <pleia2> it's a "territory" like a few other island groups that are part of the US, there is a good wikipedia page about it
[18:17] <pleia2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territories_of_the_United_States
[18:18] <nigelb> pleia2: rocking pictures
[18:18] <pleia2> nigelb: thanks :)
[18:18] <nigelb> the cookies look really cool :)
[18:18] <pleia2> yeah, I don't think I met the woman who brought them, she dropped them off while I was elsewhere
[18:18] <pleia2> but they were tastey
[18:20] <nigelb> point out rww for me?
[18:21] <pleia2> http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/4916873598/
[18:21] <pleia2> with the umbrellas behind him
[18:22] <nigelb> aha, thanks :)
[18:23] <maco> nothing like i imagined
[18:23]  * nigelb spies the poster doctormo made
[18:23] <maco> i expected scrawnier and less facial hair
[18:24] <nigelb> haha
[19:22] <czajkowski> nhandler: so when we starting to tag team this month re Team reports
[19:25] <nhandler> czajkowski: Reports aren't due for 2 weeks. I usually send out a reminder the week before. I already poked someone on the Asia RMB (no response) about their report.
[19:25] <nhandler> For the LoCos, it might be worth mentioning reports when you send out a message about the UGJ
[19:25] <czajkowski> nhandler: but isnt next weeke  end of the month
[19:25] <czajkowski> nhandler: will do
[19:26] <nhandler> czajkowski: They don't get "published" until the first Sunday of the month (Sept 5)
[19:26] <nhandler> That way, stuff that happens on the last few days of the month can get included
[19:27] <czajkowski> ahhhh
[19:28] <czajkowski> in the middle of making https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams/LoCoCouncil/TeamReports/10/August pretty
[19:28] <czajkowski> grr why are some of my bullet points working
[19:29] <czajkowski> >:(
[19:29] <nhandler> czajkowski: {*} isn't a real bullet
[19:29] <nhandler> It is more like an image
[19:30] <czajkowski> aye but it;s working in some cases and not others
[19:30] <czajkowski> why does the wiki like to argue with me
[19:30] <nhandler> czajkowski: Maybe add a space after the }
[19:31] <czajkowski> yup
[19:31] <czajkowski> thats it :D
[19:31] <czajkowski> thanks nhandler
[19:31] <nhandler> czajkowski: No problem. And you can use <<BR>> to force a linebreak
[19:32] <czajkowski> grr some of them are on the same line
[20:18] <jussi> so anyone now want to try out google voice video with me?
[21:16] <IdleOne> jussi: sure
[21:52] <czajkowski> jussi: ping
[22:58] <doctormo> http://doctormo.org/2010/08/21/5pi-con-ubuntu-mact/
[23:29] <Pendulum> doctormo: ping


[08:52] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Fridge:: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 531 @ http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2018/06/11/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-531/ (by krytarik)
[10:19] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: Canonical Outs New Kernel Security Updates for All Supported Ubuntu Releases @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-outs-new-kernel-security-updates-for-all-supported-ubuntu-releases-521516.shtml (by Marius Nestor)
[10:47] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: Linux Kernel 4.17 Now Ready for Mass Deployments as First Point Release Is Out @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/linux-kernel-4-17-now-ready-for-mass-deployments-as-first-point-release-is-out-521518.shtml (by Marius Nestor)
[12:57] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: KDE Plasma 5.13 Officially Released with Revamped Lock & Login Screens, Settings @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/kde-plasma-5-13-officially-released-with-revamped-lock-login-screens-settings-521521.shtml (by Marius Nestor)
[13:22] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Winepak Could Make it Easier to Install Windows Apps on Linux @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=132275 (by Joey Sneddon)
[14:32] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: Devuan GNU/Linux 2.0 "ASCII" Operating System Launches for Init Freedom Lovers @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/devuan-gnu-linux-2-0-ascii-operating-system-launches-for-init-freedom-lovers-521525.shtml (by Marius Nestor)
[22:04] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: CodeWeavers Demo a Windows app Running on a Chromebook using Linux and Wine @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=132313 (by Joey Sneddon)
[22:20] <kereltis> I added links for "Devuan GNU/Linux 2.0 "ASCII", "Winepak" and "Codeweaver Demo" articles to the Goodle Doc. I think we're caught up with the current links from here
[22:25] <Bashing-om> kereltis: :) .
[22:58] <kereltis> I've added a few more stories to the doc that I've been reading today. I'll be checking out more later, back to brewing for now. :)
[23:03] <krytarik> Keep in mind though that 1.) they should be somewhat relevant to Ubuntu or Linux in general, and 2.) someone will have to write and edit summaries for the added articles - expect more work for yourself if nobody else finds them relevant or interesting enough. :P
[23:17] <kereltis> Yep, no worries :)
[23:18] <krytarik> That is, I'll just drop stories that lack any relevance.


[01:59] <chowder> where can I find information about running Ubuntu Server as a Dom0 (control domain) for the Xen hypervisor? Truth be told, I'm looking at various options for virtualization. I may be getting a work from home gig that will require me to have windows installed. I don't want to give Windows complete control of my machine but I want something more robust than Virtualbox. Any ideas?
[01:59] <chowder> **not looking to dual boot either. I absolutely detest dual-booting
[01:59] <sarnold> using qemu via libvirt is probably the easier solution
[02:00] <sarnold> chowder: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/libvirt.html
[02:00] <sarnold> chowder: I suggest trying out the virt-manager and virt-viewer options on that page
[02:01] <chowder> I'm a programmer so I won't be doing anything extremely resource intensive like gaming but Windows takes up so many resources....I've tried Virtualbox and its nice but it slows down my main linux install while Windows is running. That's with 8GB of RAM and an i5-2400 at 3.1 GHZ.
[02:02] <chowder> sarnold, I'll check that out. thanks
[02:02] <sarnold> that does sound pretty tight for serious use
[02:03] <sarnold> there's just no two ways around it, you'll have two operating systems running and competing for resources at once
[02:03] <sarnold> normally you can give the guest OS less RAM than you expect, because the host filesystem will cache the guest filesystem
[02:03] <sarnold> so the guest won't need as much memoryaround for its own filesystem caching
[02:04] <sarnold> but whatever the applications require to do their job you really better have available for them, for both host and guest
[02:06] <chowder> Maybe I should upgrade my RAM after all
[02:06] <chowder> or eventually buy a new machine with something like AMD's Ryzen
[02:07] <chowder> best case scenario is that my machine will run well and it can serve to cook my breakfast
[02:13] <sarnold> heheh :)
[02:23] <chowder> I was honestly looking to virtualize several operating systems. I wanted to have an Ubuntu server host, Centos guest, windows guest, solaris guest, and netbsd guest. they're paying unix admins around 180k USD per year in my area so guess what I'm studying?
[02:24] <chowder> 180k for a solaris sysadmin. at that point why code?
[02:24] <sarnold> wow, that's almost worth learning how to use those cranky old things again :)
[02:31] <jcoffman> I make that much without having to deal with Solaris. I'm good.
[04:30] <JanC> 8 GiB is definitely on the low side if you want to run VMs (especially if you want to run multiple)
[07:09] <lordievader> Good morning
[12:01] <ahasenack> hi, I'm running dpkg-reconfigure unattended-upgrades in ubuntu 16.04 and it's giving me a origins-pattern that points at debian, not ubuntu
[12:01] <ahasenack> is that correct?
[12:01] <ahasenack> specifically:
[12:01] <ahasenack> "origin=Debian,codename=${distro_codename},label=Debian-Security";_
[12:13] <ikonia> that doesn't seem right
[15:22] <JanC> ahasenack: it's the same in 17.10, so if you file a bug report: it's not only for that distro version...
[16:04] <smoser><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:05] <smoser> anyone have a solution on that failure there ^ from http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/o/open-iscsi/bionic/amd64
[16:05] <smoser> the process runs
[16:05] <smoser> apt-get install -qy --only-upgrade libnss-myhostname=235-3ubuntu1 libnss-mymachines=235-3ubuntu1 ...
[16:05] <smoser> in an effort to only upgrade things (not install new ones)
[16:06] <ddstreet> smoser what's the testsuite test do?
[16:06] <smoser> but apparently that fails if there are other dependencies...
[16:07] <smoser> ddstreet: https://git.launchpad.net/~usd-import-team/ubuntu/+source/open-iscsi/tree/debian/tests/README-boot-test.md
[16:07] <smoser> it installs the packages that its being expected to test into a cloud image and then boots taht cloud image
[16:08] <smoser> but in this case that installation needed some dependencies, and that didn't work.
[16:08] <ddstreet> hmm
[16:09] <ahasenack> JanC: ok, thanks for checking
[16:11] <smoser> what i could do, buit had avoided and probably has similar issues... is go through the list of packages in the image (from dpkg-query --show) and filter it for the list of things of new things and then just 'apt-get install' those things.
[16:11] <ddstreet> smoser ah it looks like the -proposed systemd depends on a newer version of libgcrypt20
[16:12] <dpb1> Hello all!  Office hours has officially started, feel free to ask whatever server related questions you have.
[16:15] <Dmitrii-Sh> https://bugs.launchpad.net/curtin/+bug/1728742
[16:15] <Dmitrii-Sh> dpb1: I think I have a cheap solution for this which doesn't require kernel work
[16:15] <Dmitrii-Sh> https://bugs.launchpad.net/curtin/+bug/1728742/comments/4 <- this comment
[16:17]  * dpb1 looks
[16:17] <Dmitrii-Sh> this is to make sure dname is set properly based on bcache superblock uuids. Currently the problem is that there is no superblock UUID in uevents coming from kernel on coldplug so udev rules provided by bcache-tools don't work and persistent device links provided by /dev/by-dname are wrong
[16:18] <cpaelzer> you might want to highlight smoser and rharper on this Dmitrii-Sh
[16:18] <cpaelzer> smoser: ^^
[16:18] <Dmitrii-Sh> true
[16:21] <ddstreet> smoser i think the problem is the test needs to pull the systemd deps from -proposed too, since it's getting systemd from -proposed
[16:21] <Dmitrii-Sh> we normally rely on dname because as
[16:21] <Dmitrii-Sh> ceph charm config <-> /dev/by-dname/<device-name>
[16:21] <Dmitrii-Sh> or
[16:21] <Dmitrii-Sh> Juju storage <- /dev/by-dname/<device-name-in-maas> <- MAAS API
[16:24] <ddstreet> hi server guys, i have a q that may not be relevant to the server team but i'll ask anyway, i have a large update to the ubuntu-dev-tools package i'm trying to get merged but nobody seems to 'own' the package, most of the top contributors have not wanted to review my changes
[16:25] <ddstreet> so i'm planning on taking over (co-)maintainer of the package, anyone have any thoughts on that?
[16:25] <ddstreet> i'm going to talk to foundations people as it's probably more relevant to them
[16:25] <ddstreet> (talk to them also i mean)
[16:26] <rbasak> ubuntu-dev-tools is maintained in Debian.
[16:26] <rbasak> Which is a pain, IMHO, but anyway.
[16:28] <rbasak> Also, IMHO, if patches are being sent to Debian and they aren't going in, we should just fork in Ubuntu (and/or offer to co-maintain in Debian if a DM or DD).
[16:28] <rbasak> ahasenack: https://code.launchpad.net/~racb/usd-importer/+git/usd-importer/+merge/334033 and https://code.launchpad.net/~racb/usd-importer/+git/usd-importer/+merge/333888 please. The second is a pre-requisite of the first.
[16:28] <ahasenack> ok
[16:29] <cpaelzer> ddstreet: are you by accident and D* in Debian already?
[16:30] <ddstreet> rbasak ubuntu-dev-tools is maintained in launchpad, owned by Ubuntu Development Team...unless i'm missing something?
[16:32] <ddstreet> e.g. https://packages.debian.org/source/sid/ubuntu-dev-tools lists Ubuntu Developers (and Benjamin Drung and Stefano Rivera) as maintainers, but hosted in LP owned by UDT team
[16:35] <ddstreet> cpaelzer i'm not debian devel
[16:47] <ahasenack> JanC: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unattended-upgrades/+bug/1577215 somebody filed it already in 2016
[16:49] <cpaelzer> ddstreet: it is in debian as well
[16:49] <cpaelzer> ddstreet: and a sync for us
[16:50] <ddstreet> cpaelzer where is the debian repo for it?  seems they just use the lp.net/ubuntu-dev-tools git repo
[16:50] <cpaelzer> ddstreet: you are at the right repo
[16:50] <cpaelzer> ddstreet: but the upload has to go to debian
[16:50] <cpaelzer> and synced from there
[16:50] <cpaelzer> which will be an auto sync
[16:50] <cpaelzer> so the target to upload to with dput&co is debian
[16:51] <ddstreet> right, i'm trying to change the upstream repo tho
[16:51] <ddstreet> which will go to debian of course
[16:51] <ddstreet> anyway i think we're all saying the same thing
[16:51] <cpaelzer> ack
[16:51] <ddstreet> thnx!
[17:03] <rbasak> ddstreet, cpaelzer: I think so. VCS maintained by ~ubuntu-dev, but uploads via Debian by Stefano and Benjamin only.
[17:04] <rbasak> I'm a DM, so perhaps I should ask to be added.
[17:08] <ahasenack> rbasak: with https://code.launchpad.net/~racb/usd-importer/+git/usd-importer/+merge/334033, pytest-3 gitubuntu/*.py no longer hangs, but I get test errors that I don't get with tox
[17:09] <ahasenack> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26013402/
[17:11] <rbasak> ahasenack: you have to run the tests on artful I think.
[17:11] <ahasenack> that is artful
[17:11] <rbasak> Otherwise your version of dpkg-parsechangelog won't do the right thing.
[17:11] <rbasak> Hmm.
[17:11] <ahasenack> tox works
[17:11] <ahasenack> hm, I don't have dpkg-parsechangelog
[17:12] <ahasenack> rbasak: fixed
[17:12] <rbasak> \o/
[17:12] <ahasenack> we need a script to install all the dependencies
[17:12] <ahasenack> I might do that
[17:13] <rbasak> ahasenack: here's what I'm doing: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26013419/
[17:13] <ahasenack> nice
[17:19] <dpb1> OK, thanks all for the questions.  office hours is officially over.
[17:19]  * dpb1 shuts door, only to open it back up for regular business
[17:19] <ahasenack> rbasak: just checking, I'm getting this in master as well, not just your branch: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26013467/
[17:20] <ahasenack> rbasak: I was trying a code path that would need a launchpad login, to see if your change affected that
[17:20] <ddstreet> rbasak so re: ubuntu-dev-tools, stefano hasn't uploaded to it in years (according to changelog) and there have been lots of uploads be people other than Benjamin, who last uploaded May this year
[17:21] <rbasak> Perhaps they're (effectively) NMUing?
[17:22] <rbasak> I'm not sure about that error.
[17:22] <ddstreet> could be
[17:22] <ddstreet> lemme see if i can talk to benjamin
[17:22] <rbasak> Technically in Debian a team-maintained package can be uploaded without it being an NMU.
[17:22] <rbasak> And I suppose the maintainer team is defined as "Ubuntu Developers".
[17:22] <rbasak> So perhaps that's what they're doing: a team upload from bzr every tinme.
[17:23] <rbasak> In that case, we should just land stuff into bzr.
[17:23] <rbasak> And when needed do an upload into Debian.
[17:23] <ddstreet> they moved it to git earlier this year, but yeah
[17:23] <rbasak> Which any DD can do, or I can do if someone sets my DM upload bit against the package in Debian.
[17:27] <ddstreet> rbasak i see you also have a MR open for pull-debian-source, you may want to review my MR as it consolidates all the pull-*-source and rewrites most of it
[17:27] <ddstreet> https://code.launchpad.net/~ddstreet/ubuntu-dev-tools/+git/ubuntu-dev-tools/+merge/322863
[17:27] <ahasenack> cpaelzer: did you manage to use git-ubuntu submit without hitting this backtrace? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26013467/ maybe because you are logged in already?
[17:32] <smoser> ddstreet: you're right. the apt-get does not have the proposed entry there.
[17:38] <ahasenack> rbasak: still around?
[17:43] <rbasak> ahasenack: yes but otp
[17:52] <ahasenack> rbasak: ok, I'll comment in the mp
[18:05] <rbasak> ahasenack: back now but I'd like to EOD. Do you still need anything?
[18:05] <ahasenack> nope
[18:05] <rbasak> OK. Thanks for reviewing!
[18:05] <ahasenack> np
[19:03] <trekkie1701c> Has anyone had experience installing Ubuntu Server on a Poweredge T30?  It's telling me it can't boot off of my RAID array and I'm wondering if it's not liking the one I set up via Dell's utility or if I have to set one up in Ubuntu manually.
[19:04] <trekkie1701c> I've got 4 1TB disks set up in RAID5
[19:05] <sarnold> trekkie1701c: at least -someone- was able to get the thing booted https://certification.ubuntu.com/hardware/201702-25369/
[19:06] <trekkie1701c> Yeah, that's why this is frustrating.
[19:19] <TJ-> trekkie1701c: booting the installer, or booting the installed OS?
[19:19] <trekkie1701c> Installed OS
[19:20] <trekkie1701c> I can get the installer to boot off of a USB thumbdrive, but when I try to boot the installed system it tells me no boot device found.
[19:21] <TJ-> trekkie1701c: right, because of the RAID-5 array? how does the T30 firmware select that device for booting? Is it UEFI or BIOS boot ?
[19:22] <TJ-> trekkie1701c: the boot-method of the installer controls which boot-method it is installed for. E.g. installer boots in BIOS/legacy mode, it installs that mode.
[19:22] <trekkie1701c> BIOS mode, and the array shows up as a single volume that's selected for boot.
[19:23] <trekkie1701c> Overriding the boot settings and just going for that volume brings up an error about failing to boot off of the selected device.
[19:49] <TJ-> trekkie1701c: at a guess I'd think GRUB didn't install to it correctly. Can Linux see the underlying disks as well as the logical RAID-5 array as well? if so, that can cause problems
[20:20] <drab> trekkie1701c: I've had that kind of problem with a supermicro machine trying to boot off of nvme... booting the installer from pxe was fine, but when I tried to boot the system it would not
[20:20] <drab> in my case it was a bios issue, ie the bios version I had could not boot from nvme
[20:20] <trekkie1701c> Hmm.
[20:21] <drab> I'm wondering if in bios mode it has sufficient drivers to boot from that raid device or if for example you'd need UEFI with additional drivers
[20:21] <drab> so in your case I may try to install using UEFI instead of legacy mode
[20:21] <trekkie1701c> Alright.
[20:21] <drab> but it's just my WAG
[20:22] <trekkie1701c> Better than what I had to go on.
[20:27] <trekkie1701c> Hmm, UEFI won't even let me set the disk in the boot order.
[20:31] <drab> trekkie1701c: how do you mean? what disks? usb one to install?
[20:32] <trekkie1701c> The hard disk.  Shows up in SATA but not in the boot order.
[20:32] <trekkie1701c> I'm going to try installing anyways with UEFI and seeing if maybe it picks up once GRUB is reinstalled
[20:32] <drab> I would not necessarily worry about that right now and just try to install, it may not do that because it doesn't see it as installed or something, even tho a bios shouldn't care
[20:32] <trekkie1701c> If not I guess I'll just disable the RAID array with Dell's software and use the Ubuntu installer to set it up
[20:32] <drab> yeah
[20:33] <drab> is this supposed to be a good hw raid with battery backups and stuff?
[20:33] <drab> because otherwise ime it's not worth it
[20:33] <trekkie1701c> Software RAID provided by Dell's firmware, but I want to experiment with a RAID setup.
[20:34] <trekkie1701c> Technically speaking this server isn't worth it.  I don't need it, but I want to play around on it and doing virtualbox off of a laptop is getting annoying.
[20:34] <drab> if it's a sw raid then do it with linux's sw raid... mdadm
[20:34] <sarnold> (or zfs :D )
[20:34] <trekkie1701c> Alright.
[22:39] <trekkie1701c> Sweet.  EFI worked.
[22:41] <sarnold> woot


[04:24] <Jordan_U> So, how long do you think until Ubuntu switches to systemd?
[09:34] <AlanBell> systemd is just upstart reinvented isn't it?
[09:35] <AlanBell> because upstart was written by Canonical
[09:54] <popey> some argue systemd is technically superior.
[09:55] <AlanBell> probably is
[09:57] <popey> I'm unconvinced it's NiH
[09:58] <AlanBell> but would Canonical be able to switch to it?
[09:58] <AlanBell> or is there too much emotional investment in upstart?
[09:59] <AlanBell> like bzr/git or unity/gnome-shell
[10:02] <popey> i dont think its emotional investment which prevents us going bzr -> git, or unity -> gnome shell
[10:02] <popey> same for upstart -> systemd
[10:02] <popey> for unity there's the belief it's better, for our long term plans
[10:02] <popey> for bzr I suspect it's because we have nobody to do the migration work
[10:11] <Jordan_U> popey: What do you think is preventing a move from upstart to systemd?
[10:19] <Jordan_U> One thing I find odd is that while there are many detailed technical arguments given for systemd over upstart, I haven't been able to find any equivelant defense of upstart over systemd.
[10:22] <Jordan_U> The closest thing I've seen (and it's not very close at all) is from http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1121 . Did the Ubuntu Foundations team mentioned by Mark make a public report on what they deemed were the technical (and social) problems with systemd, and the technical (and social) advantages of upstart?
[10:28] <popey> I've not seen such a public report. I've seen it discussed on ubuntu-devel iirc


  Every major update i did always had bugs
[03:01] <JakeSays> yeah there's no way in hell i'm doing that
[03:06] <JakeSays> i just moved one of the offending packages out of the pkg archive
 Hello
 75WE
 Umm
 Can I ask about something
[07:38] <weedmic> IrcsomeBot: just ask already
 So I was looking around the internet for a version of Kubuntu 14.10 (9 year old version, I know but this is for historical reasons) with KDE Plasma 5 on it.
 I couldn't find it exactly since even the Wayback Machine doesn't have an archive of the ISO image, which complicated things. Another pain in the a** was how the torrents that somehow archived were dead, i.e not downloading anything. I did dig up on google, trying different search params but nothing, so I ask here for some help or if you had a copy (there's also the third option of saying bruh). Thanks.
[07:44] <guiverc> The oldest supported release of Kubuntu currently is Kubuntu 22.04 LTS; being a flavor it comes with 3 years of supported life for LTS, meaning 22.04, 22.10 & 23.04 only are on-topic (20.04 LTS reaching EOL back in April 2023).  The release you're after is years past EOL
[07:46] <guiverc> fyi:  Ubuntu 14.10 is available; why not use that & add `kubuntu-desktop` on it if you want to look at something, but its not supported here (or any Ubuntu room)
[07:48]  * guiverc just found 14.04 & 12.04
 Lmfao but that'll be KDE 4.14 at least (re @IrcsomeBot: <guiverc> fyi:  Ubuntu 14.10 is available; why not use that & add `kubuntu-desktop` on it if you want to look at something, but its not supported here (or any Ubuntu room))
 I was doing it for some comparison experiment where I would compare KDE Plasma 5.0 to the latest version
[07:59]  * guiverc doesn't see any seed files for utopic; possibly stored in different location to current seeds; looking to see if both ISOs were built on launchpad; but nothing pre-dates 2018 (except respins of LTS releases at current location, that I see)
 Hmmm interesting
[08:06] <guiverc> I would assume the 14.04 alternate ISO was built from Ubuntu packages, thus why i looked for seed files, ie. how to built using ubuntu 14.10 desktop/server, but I didn't find, wasn't around here back then.. so don't know sorry
[08:06] <guiverc> s/14.04/14.10 ^
 Hmm
 If that's so, then I wonder if someone here had a copy
[09:44] <weedmic> If it were opensuse, I could look through CD roms.  I have them back to like 9.2 or something.  But I've only installed kubuntu 5 or 6 times all this year.
 I'm considering compiling KDE 5.0 because that's what all I need but it'll be painful because of ya know, compatibility issues with modern systems (KDE Plasma 5.0 released on July 15, 2014 and today's July 8/9, 2023)
[09:48] <weedmic> I forgot, why do you NOT want to upgrade to a current version of kubuntu and get everything already homogenised?
 I would run 2 VMs, one with the latest, greatest release of Kubuntu (23.04) and the first Kubuntu release that officially had KDE Plasma 5 (14.10 as Tech Preview, 15.04 as total replacement). What I am aiming for is to get the earliest instance of KDE Plasma 5 that I could run on, then compare it with the latest one as an experiment (re @IrcsomeBot: <weedmic> I forgot, why do you NOT want to upgrade to a current version of kubuntu a
 I'm aiming to use Kubuntu 14.10 as it was released with KDE Plasma 5.0 (probably 5.1) alongside KDE SC 4.14 (also mentioned in the blog post and also IS available on the Wayback Machine)
 I initially planned on using KDE Neon (August 2014 build and this week's) but it caused problems, such as:
 1. Improper handling of scaling in the Aug. 2014 build after resizing resolutions
 2. The latest build of KDE Neon doesn't really work on my VMware setup, so I give up with that
[09:53] <cbreak> 14.10 is not lts
 I knew that
 Idk if 14.04 had KDE Plasma 5 packages that early on (I also doubt it'll install 5.0, it'll probably install something like 5.20 or smth)
 Adding into that, most distros with Plasma 5 started with KDE Plasma 5.2, which makes me slightly disappointed, so here we are at Kubuntu (re @lucss21a: I initially planned on using KDE Neon (August 2014 build and this week's) but it caused problems, such as:
 1. Improper handling of scaling in the Aug. 2014 build after resizing resolutions
 2. The latest build of KDE Neon doesn't really work on my VMware setup, so I give up with that)
 Oh. So it turns out you could install old packages on Ubuntu
[11:44] <Dragnslcr> I just checked my old downloads directory, and I happen to have the Kubuntu 14.10 disc image
[11:45] <Dragnslcr> I also have BitTorrent files going back to 8.04, but I'm not sure if there any seeders for them
 Is it wise to use kubuntu on a flash drive?
[11:54] <Dragnslcr> As a permanent installation, or just as a Live CD?
 Permanent
[12:00] <weedmic> why not?  are you worried about degredation of the media from mulitple rewrites?
 If you have a high quality USB 3.0 drive with fast read and write speeds, kubuntu or any other Linux distro will run fine on it. I used a fast SanDisk drive to have a portable Linux install on my school computers while I did my programming degree a few years back
 Yes, or a performance impact as compared to a desktop installation (re @IrcsomeBot: <weedmic> why not?  are you worried about degredation of the media from mulitple rewrites?)
 Ahhh, thanks for the info.
 You just have to be aware that some USB drives may have extremely slow write or read speeds compared to hdd's even if they are marketed as USB 3 drives
 The most I'd do is show presentations and whatnot. Thanks
 Even then you probably want a decent USB 3.0 drive. I had a SanDisk mini something and it took over a minute to open Firefox, compared to the better one I ended up using which felt as fast to use as my nvme drive
[12:05] <weedmic> as IrcsomeBot says - I also have done something very similar with pi devices.  a bit slow on boot, but after that.
[12:24] <user|23> hi how to update my kubuntu to the latest version i have 18.04 currently
[12:26] <weedmic> i believe the current one is 23.04, i shall google it though
[12:26] <weedmic> "As of April 2023, the most-recent release is 23.04 ("Lunar Lobster"),"
[12:33] <user|23> thanx mic im also looking myside
 How do I fix this problem?
 (link is from discord): https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/702503037842882582/1127591369305755658/2023-07-09_21-24-01.mp4https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/702503037842882582/1127591369305755658/2023-07-09_21-24-01.mp4
 How do I fix this problem?
 (link is from discord): https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/702503037842882582/1127591369305755658/2023-07-09_21-24-01.mp4
 (resent because wrong link)
[13:36] <tomreyn> kubuntu 14.10 is unsupported, and has been for 8 or so years
 ye yea
[13:37] <tomreyn> (also i think you are actually looking for vmware support)
[18:16] <user|14> What architecture is Kubuntu made for
[18:16] <cbreak> CPU architecture?
[18:16] <user|14> Yep
[18:16] <cbreak> amd64
[18:16] <cbreak> https://kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/
[18:17] <user|14> Thanks
[18:17] <cbreak> I think you can get the normal ubuntu and then install the kubuntu packages on other platforms, but I've not tried
[18:18] <mparillo> I have not tried it either, but here is one guide with an ARM example: https://eugeneuvin.substack.com/p/kubuntu-on-raspberry-pi-4
[18:20] <cbreak> I installed the kubuntu I'm using via debootstrap from a normal ubuntu image
[18:27] <Bluefoxicy> does anyone know off the top of your head what to edit to make the installer stop trying to unmount filesystems when changing partition tables?
[18:28] <Bluefoxicy> It wants to do this when nothing is changing
[18:28] <Bluefoxicy> problem is it wants to change /dev/sdb, but /dev/sdb5 is where the installer is running from, so it whines that it can't unmount itself, then hangs at "SCANNING FILESYSTEMS..."
[18:28] <Bluefoxicy> (the only thing changing is that 3 LVM logical volumes are being *formatted*)
[18:29] <Bluefoxicy> also if anyone knows how to make bluetooth mouse work without going to command line (since opening the bluetooth configurator and hitting tab may or may not ever actually tab onto buttons for adding devices) that would be cool
[19:10] <dynamicpanda> hey
[19:11] <dynamicpanda> hey
[19:11] <dynamicpanda> i downloaded the kubuntu 22.04 lts version but its iso.part
[19:23] <cbreak> sounds like you didn't finish the downloading yet
[22:49] <user|36> Hello, how can I activate the fingerprint reader in kubuntu 23.04?
[23:01] <Bluefoxicy> You know, it's totally possible to identify a Windows partition and import all the bluetooth pairings…


[10:35] <Hybrid512> Hi
[10:36] <Hybrid512> Just encountered an issue after upgrading MaaS to 2.9
[10:36] <Hybrid512> I can't commission my machines anymore
[10:36] <Hybrid512> it keeps failing at the maas-kernel-cmdline script
[10:36] <Hybrid512> machines are in failed state and can't be provisionned anymore
[10:37] <Hybrid512> any idea on how to fix that ? MaaS is unusable anow
[12:35] <peeejayz> Hey all, got an issue with apparmor on a fresh 2.9 install. Anyone else had it Deny /etc/gss/mech.d/ in snap.maas.supervisor?
[13:55] <Hybrid512> Hi
[13:55] <Hybrid512> Just encountered an issue after upgrading MaaS to 2.9
[13:55] <Hybrid512> I can't commission my machines anymore
[13:55] <Hybrid512> it keeps failing at the maas-kernel-cmdline script
[13:55] <Hybrid512> machines are in failed state and can't be provisionned anymore
[13:55] <Hybrid512> any idea on how to fix that ? MaaS is unusable anow
[14:35] <Hybrid512> ha ! Found the fix
[14:36] <Hybrid512> Damn, I should read upgrade procedures more carefully ... I upgraded region server then rack servers ... I should have done the contrary (rack then region), I had to delete rack controllers and reinstall/reregister them to fix the issue


[02:42] <Unit193> -thunar-shares-plugin      0.3.0-0ppa1~20.04           68
[02:42] <Unit193> +thunar-shares-plugin      0.3.0-0ppa1~20.04           78
[02:42] <Unit193> Hmm.
[17:00] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- Reminder: Next meeting chair is knome
[17:00] <jphilips> bluesabre: any update on the rescheduling of the meeting?


[02:19] <OutOfControl> czajkowski: Hi, you wanted me three days ago?  ;P
[02:24] <cjohnston> i am not
[02:25] <IAmNotThatGuy> hehe.. Okay. Its time to goto office. Bye all o7
[03:38] <cprofitt> jono: you still around? Playing with accomplishments -- how long should it take to check new accomplishments?
[07:43] <dholbach> good morning
[08:22] <dpm> good morning everyone
[08:24] <bkerensa> good morning
[08:46] <alourie> good morning
[09:03] <czajkowski> morning
[09:47] <benonsoftware> czajkowski: Hi, I was told you wanted me? :)
[09:48] <s-fox> Does anyone know where I could get a large version of the askubuntu logo? The one the site links to is a bit small :) http://sstatic.net/askubuntu/img/logo.png   , maybe jcastro you might know?
[09:48] <czajkowski> benonsoftware: hmm now I cant remember
[09:48] <czajkowski> :/
[09:49] <benonsoftware> :P
[09:49] <czajkowski> would have been something on lp anyways
[09:49] <benonsoftware> Yeah, I was thinking that
[09:50] <benonsoftware> czajkowski: Well I should go to bed now, email me if you remember :D
[09:50] <czajkowski> benonsoftware: will do nn
[11:45] <dholbach> bkerensa, did my gsoc mail get through to you? (thunderbird just acted up)
[12:19] <marcoceppi> s-fox: http://cdn.sstatic.net/askubuntu/img/apple-touch-icon.png
[12:20] <s-fox> marcoceppi,  Thank you :)
[12:44] <s-fox> marcoceppi,  Here is where the logo got used - http://i.imgur.com/kLjgJ.gif
[12:45] <marcoceppi> s-fox Hum, I think that's the right one for that
[12:48] <s-fox> It is appreciated marcoceppi , the only one i found was really small. :)
[15:19] <czajkowski> nigelb: mail gone to loco contacts re loco in your country can you talk to the person please.
[15:19] <czajkowski> cheers
[15:20] <czajkowski> nigelb: disregard
[15:20] <czajkowski> sorry
[15:20] <czajkowski> crossed wired
[15:20] <nigelb> heh
[15:21] <czajkowski> nigelb: someone wants to set up a LOCAL in Kerala, India.
[15:21] <czajkowski> nigelb: mind if I forward you on themail to talk to him please
[15:21] <czajkowski> nigelb: whats your email address
[15:21] <nigelb> sure, go ahead
[15:21] <bkerensa> dholbach: yes I got it
[15:21] <nigelb><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:26] <Amoz> oh hai :)
[15:27] <Amoz> if I want to help with webstuff, who can I talk to?
[15:31] <jcastro> what kind of web stuff?
[15:32] <bkerensa> jcastro: I guess we shall possibly have sushi in Oakland
[15:33] <jcastro> I can eat sushi all day!
[15:36] <daker> ah czajkowski working for canonical too
[15:36] <czajkowski> daker: yup, almost 4 weeks now
[15:37] <jcastro> hey daker!
[15:38] <daker> hi jcastro
[15:38] <jcastro> plugin got upgraded
[15:38] <jcastro> and it works now
[15:38] <jcastro> and I fixed the configuration problem
[15:38] <daker> woo
[15:38] <jcastro> o/
[15:46] <snap-l> jcastro: Man, no sushi and no coney?
[15:46] <snap-l> How do you live?
[15:46] <jcastro> there's tons of sushi here
[15:47] <jcastro> coney, not so much. :(
[15:47] <snap-l> Ah, I misread
[15:47] <jcastro> snap-l: oh hey we're coming in for memorial day weekend
[15:47] <jcastro> I'll send along info l8er
[15:47] <snap-l> jcastro: Awesome.
[15:47] <Amoz> jcastro: there are still u.c websites with the old design, right?
[15:47] <snap-l> WE'll have all of our wireless questions lined up
[15:48] <technoviking> jcastro: in many from IS or deej on the next forum upgrade step?
[15:48] <jcastro> status from yesterday is still sourcing drives.
[15:49] <jcastro> technoviking: can you ping them in the ticket though? I'll ping them to respond with more detail
[15:49] <jcastro> since it's been a week now.
[15:49] <technoviking> jcastro: will do
[15:50] <jcastro> technoviking: hey with 4.x do we get a mobile skin and/or tapatalk support?
[15:53] <technoviking> jcastro: the newest version of 4.x has a mobile theme and I was going to install tapatalk also
[15:53] <jcastro> ooh, so cake WITH frosting.
[15:53] <jcastro> rock
[15:54] <technoviking> was going to install the latest version on my test box to ubuntuify the mobile theme, need more orange crayons
[15:56] <s-fox> Ping technoviking  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1930907
[15:56] <technoviking> off to a four hour meeting:(
[15:56] <s-fox> The bug seems to have resurfaced.
[16:56] <jono> hey all
[16:56] <jono> mhall119, going to be a few mins late
[16:57] <mhall119> jono: good, because so am I
[17:03] <mhall119> jono: ok, ready whenever you are
[17:07] <dholbach> off to catch a train - see you all tomorrow!
[17:07] <Amoz> dholbach: eya
[17:07] <dholbach> bye Amoz :)
[17:07] <Amoz> going somewhere?
[17:08] <Amoz> happy travelling :)
[17:09] <dholbach> just back home - I visited my brother for a few days
[17:09] <Amoz> ah
[17:09] <dholbach> so I wasn't sitting at the beach sipping Piña Coladas
[17:09] <dholbach> which is unfortunate
[17:10] <Amoz> too bad
[17:10] <Amoz> you deserve some Pinã coladas
[17:10] <dholbach> there'll be more opportunities for them :)
[17:10] <dholbach> anyway - see you tomorrow :)
[17:10] <Amoz> bye :)
[17:10] <dholbach> bye :)
[17:13] <jono> mhall119, ok, let's roll
[17:13] <jono> mhall119, I am sending an invite now
[17:23] <s-fox> jono,  I enjoyed reading your blog post yesterday :)
[17:25] <bodhi_zazen> jono, the entire forms community appreciated your blog, as I am sure askubuntu did
[17:26] <jono> thanks s-fox, bodhi_zazen :-)
[17:53] <jussi> and the irc people feel left out :P :P
[17:54]  * mhall119 kicks jussi
[17:54] <s-fox> and the launchpad answers people too
[17:54]  * jussi hugs mhall119
[17:54] <mhall119> :)
[17:54]  * jussi runs away, giggling manically :P
[17:55] <mhall119> everybody is appreciated in the Ubuntu  community, no matter what they do or where they do it
[18:42] <jono> cprofitt, thanks for testing the accomplishments
[18:43] <bkerensa> jono: Oh great I have to see you twice this year? :P
[18:43] <jono> bkerensa, :-)
[18:45] <cprofitt> jono: no problem... sorry it took so long to get to it
[18:45] <jono> cprofitt, no worries!
[18:45] <jono> glad to see you on the list too :-)
[18:45] <cprofitt> :-)
[18:45] <jono> cprofitt, we definitely need plenty of help with documentation
[18:45] <jono> to make the docs for accomplishments awesome
[18:45] <cprofitt> I will do my best
[18:45] <jono> thanks!
[18:45] <cprofitt> Those were the ones I already assisted with? on the Pad?
[18:46] <jcastro> Man
[18:46] <jcastro> SMOKED.
[18:46] <jcastro> 125 charm school attendees!
[18:46] <cprofitt> Nice! That is a huge number
[18:47] <jcastro> 111 signed up, I was honestly expecting like 50% attritition
[18:47] <jussi> jcastro: NICE!
[18:47] <jcastro> to have an extra 14 is like, icing
[18:47] <jussi> thats seriously good.
[18:49] <jcastro> got a commitment for a Moodle charm already
[18:49] <jcastro> .edu's are going to love that
[18:51] <cprofitt> jcastro: yes they will ... we love Moodle
[18:52] <jussi> nice!
[18:53] <jussi> jcastro: do we have wordpress and joomla charms yet?
[18:53] <jcastro> wordpress was like the first charm
[18:53] <jcastro> we do need a joomla one
[18:54] <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+bug/795477
[18:54] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 795477 in charms "Charm needed: Joomla" [Wishlist,In progress]
[18:54] <jcastro> daker has a semicomplete one
[18:54] <jcastro> probably easy to finish off
[18:54] <jcastro> enter it in the contest ....
[18:54] <jono> jcastro, definitely need a Joomla! one...South African state sponsored education uses Joomla!
[18:54] <jono> as in teaching people how to deploy Joomla!
[18:55] <daker> there is not package for joomla :/
[18:55] <jcastro> it's a charm .... wget, untar ...
[18:55] <jcastro> that's totally one of the benefits
[18:56] <jcastro> No package? If you can script it to install then that is awesome
[18:56] <jcastro> in fact I think every charm should have a --latest-upstream option
[18:56] <jcastro> so you can pull the latest good stuff post-release.
[18:56] <jussi> please, please, please do that!
[18:57] <jussi> jcastro: phpbb3?
[18:57] <jussi> (where is the list of needs charming...? )
[18:57] <jcastro> someone's on that
[18:58] <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms
[18:58] <cprofitt> yeha... latest-upstream would be fantastic
[18:58] <jcastro> any "New" one
[19:09] <cjohnston> jcastro: can we run init-slots on uds-q?
[19:14] <jcastro> no idea
[19:14] <cjohnston> mhall119 says ask you
[19:21] <daker> jcastro, how can people test charms if they don't have aws account/ no ec2 machine ?
[19:21] <jcastro> LXC
[19:21] <jcastro> I have instructions
[19:21] <daker> share the love ツ
[19:21] <jcastro> let me finish this pizza and I'll find it
[19:21] <jcastro> http://askubuntu.com/questions/65359/how-do-i-configure-juju-for-local-usage
[19:22] <daker> nice ツ
[19:23] <greg-g> mmmm pizza
[19:30] <cprofitt> pizza... mmmm
[19:30] <cprofitt> have not had a good pizza in a while
[19:31] <cprofitt> exit
[19:31] <cprofitt> sorry... wrong terminal window
[19:32] <daker> pizza effect ツ
[19:35] <cprofitt> yeah
[20:02] <technoviking> jcastro: ok updated the RT for forums upgrade
[20:07] <jcastro> hey so, uds.ubuntu.com uses streetmap now? sweet!
[20:07] <jcastro> open streetmap rather ...
[20:07] <jcastro> greg-g: check it ^
[20:15] <cprofitt> jcastro: that is cool that they were able to do that
[20:15] <cprofitt> I was not sure if it would get one or not...
[20:15] <cprofitt> Richard Weait did not sound confident when I contacted him
[20:17] <cprofitt> jcastro: where are you seeing that?
[20:18] <cprofitt> ah... I see it now
[20:18] <cprofitt> it asks me to approve a script from them
[20:19] <cprofitt> http://uds.ubuntu.com/event/
[20:19] <cprofitt> that page...
[20:22] <cprofitt> gotta run to a technology meeting.. be back on a bit later folks
[20:22] <greg-g> jcastro: awesome!
[20:22] <greg-g> jcastro: now get the LoCo Directory to change http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/
[20:23] <jcastro> greg-g: I believe that's because cjohnston hates freedom
[20:31] <mhall119> greg-g: we've said we want to use OSM, just as soon as someone makes it work for us
[20:36] <greg-g> http://switch2osm.org/the-basics/ :)
[20:36] <greg-g> "we want to do it, but we won't do it"
[20:37] <greg-g> sorry, that always rubs me the wrong way
[20:41] <jcastro> Oh man
[20:41] <jcastro> I just had an idea
[20:41] <jcastro> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TileCache
[20:41] <jcastro> this is the server side for running your own tile server right?
[20:42] <jcastro> we can just charm this right: http://tilecache.org/
[20:47] <jcastro> aha
[20:47] <jcastro> dude, this: http://tiledrawer.com/
[20:47] <jcastro> this is basically a juju charm already.
[20:48] <jcastro> I'm going to mail this guy
[20:53] <balloons> nice find
[21:41] <technoviking> s-fox: can't get the problem to repeat for me.
[21:42] <s-fox> Hey technoviking, i will get the link. it is the mark as read thing again...
[21:43] <s-fox> technoviking http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1930907
[21:44] <s-fox> I am not sure why the user is still having the problem
[21:46] <technoviking> maybe not using Clean2 theme, I should delete the Clean 3 theme but not sure what that would affect
[21:46] <technoviking> will see if I can fix the clean3 theme also
[21:47] <greg-g> jcastro: apropos of here: "Apple not properly crediting others for their inventions! No way!" http://goo.gl/pzttE @Apple switches to OSM, with issues. !CC
[21:47] <jcastro> a classy response though: http://blog.osmfoundation.org/2012/03/08/welcome-apple/
[21:48] <jcastro> ok so I mailed this tiledrawer guy, he's in SF, and I have juju core devs in SF, I hope he's interested, he seems to have a bunch of server side map tools
[21:48] <greg-g> cool
[21:53] <s-fox> jcastro what is this i am hearing about drives for the forum? Are we getting new ones? :-)
[21:53] <jcastro> yeah the upgrade needs new hardware
[21:53] <jcastro> and sourcing drives right now is hard
[21:53] <jcastro> so they're trying to shuffle hardware around
[21:54] <s-fox> Oooh, nice. What specs?
[21:55] <JanC> jcastro: try looking around for USB disks?   :P
[21:57] <JanC> (I know they probably don't want cheap SATA disks, but strange enough I have found often USB disks with embedded SATA disks to be cheaper than separate SATA disks)
[22:02] <jcastro> I am pretty sure we don't want the forums servers to have dangling USB disks precariously propped up by whatever duct tape we have around
[22:02] <jcastro> :)
[22:02] <jcastro> <-- ok end of day for me, tty all tomorrow!!
[22:03] <technoviking> forums on a stick, neat
[22:03] <technoviking> jcastro: cheers
[22:03] <jcastro> yeah I am pretty sure whatever hardware we get
[22:03] <jcastro> when it's all upgraded and done
[22:03] <jcastro> exactly one day later, blam, vbulletin 5 is out
[22:03] <jcastro> hah
[22:05] <s-fox> when v5 comes out, hopefully it will be easy to upgrade to
[22:05]  * s-fox crosses fingers
[22:06] <JanC> jcastro: I was thinking about opening the USB disks of course
[22:07] <JanC> but in any case, I think they are looking for SAS disks...
[22:07] <JanC> or at least higher quality SATA disks
[22:08] <JanC> opening them = breaking them open to access the actual disks inside
[22:11] <JanC> and I suspect the available stock of USB disks was just much higher than the stock of internal HDDs pre-Thailand-flood...
[22:16] <JanC> seems like it is still true that 2 TB USB disks (which contain a 2 TB SATA disk) are cheaper than 2 TB internal SATA disks bought separately...
[22:17] <JanC> funny
[23:15] <czajkowski> jono: ping
[23:17] <jono> czajkowski, howdy
[23:18] <czajkowski> jono: doody
[23:18] <czajkowski> jono: in the accompishments
[23:19] <czajkowski> what does the trophey preference meant to do
[23:19] <jono> czajkowski, it is empty right now
[23:19] <czajkowski> ahh ok
[23:19] <jono> I just haven't added anything yet :-)
[23:19] <czajkowski> no idea how I've got a motu trophy :/
[23:20] <jono> czajkowski, huh>
[23:20] <akgraner> czajkowski, do you have the Tech board one as well?  I think it's b/c of the CC - I was wondering the same thing when I did mine
[23:20] <jono> czajkowski, huh?
[23:21] <jono> hmmm
[23:21] <jono> akgraner, you have a MOTU trophy?
[23:21] <akgraner> yep
[23:21] <akgraner> and tech board
[23:21] <czajkowski> jono: possibly as the CC is part of those teams
[23:22] <jono> ok, can you file a bug about this at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community-accomplishments
[23:22] <jono> thanks
[23:22] <jono> yep, that will be it
[23:22] <czajkowski> jono: doing it now
[23:22] <jono> thanks!
[23:22] <akgraner> and contributor to juju
[23:22] <czajkowski> we don't have a CC trohphy :)
[23:22] <czajkowski> akgraner: aye added
[23:23] <akgraner> jono I think all of them expect one unlocked for me
[23:23] <czajkowski> am also showing a fridge editor
[23:23] <czajkowski> and I've done that either
[23:24] <jono> akgraner, czajkowski can you be sure to file bugs for trophies you shouldnt have
[23:24] <jono> thanks!
[23:24] <czajkowski> done
[23:24] <czajkowski> adding scren shot now
[23:24] <jono> this will be the sub-teams work causing issues
[23:24] <jono> thanks
[23:25] <jono> be sure to include your email address you use in LP
[23:26] <akgraner> jono the one set to the main one - I just recently changed mine - or the one we use for those teams
[23:26] <jono> akgraner, the one you typed into the app when it asked for your email address
[23:27] <czajkowski> jono: aye my SSO one is the one I sign into LP with and the one fr the app
[23:27] <jono> you can find this out by typing: cat ~/.local/share.accomplishments/trophies/.extrainformation/launchpad-email
[23:27] <jono> czajkowski, cool
[23:27] <akgraner> ahh gotcha :-)
[23:27] <jono> :-)
[23:30] <jono> czajkowski, quick q re. work items
[23:30] <jono> how will this work, will there be a button to add them?
[23:30] <jono> and can we sort and view them in different ways?>
[23:31] <czajkowski> jono: so you can change the drop down from show me everhing to community, and then that next drop down shows you lots of choice.
[23:32] <czajkowski> but selecting show me all only shows everthing next selected me I'd assumed you wouldnt need a drop down it should be just a fixed text table
[23:32] <jono> czajkowski, interesting
[23:32] <czajkowski> as from a user point you are able to select the drop down and you keep thinking you're able to change it
[23:32] <czajkowski> as on the previous setting it changes
[23:36] <jono> czajkowski, will check your bug in a sec
[23:36] <czajkowski> jono: np
[23:36] <jono> czajkowski, akgraner did you file the bugs about the incorrect trophies?
[23:36] <akgraner> jono  - I haven't yet
[23:36] <akgraner> I think czajkowski did though
[23:36] <czajkowski> aye I did
[23:37] <akgraner> czajkowski, what's your bug number
[23:38] <czajkowski> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/950399
[23:38] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 950399 in ubuntu-community-accomplishments "trophies displayed for teams that members are part of but don't contribute to" [Undecided,New]
[23:38] <jono> czajkowski, I see now
[23:39] <jono> that is not a bug
[23:39] <jono> I just responded in the bug report
[23:40] <bodhi_zazen> My custom 12.04 iso, for the infamous gma500, has had 2250 downloads (according to my apache logs) http://blog.bodhizazen.net/linux/ubuntu-gma500-live-cd/
[23:40] <akgraner> jono,  that makes sense then  - but that's not the way I understood it to work
[23:40] <czajkowski> jono: that is well confusing then
[23:41] <akgraner> based on what I read - but not that you explain it that way - I get it
[23:41] <czajkowski> jono: and from an end user misleading as it looks like it;s unlocked
[23:41] <jono> czajkowski, how is it confusing? the locked trophies had a dependency, and then you achieved it, so they are now unlocked
[23:41] <jono> one thing that does need fixing is that it is not clear which view is currently there as the button is not depressed
[23:41] <czajkowski> aye maybe it's the view then
[23:41] <jono> I also plan on adding a bubble to say trophies are unlocked
[23:42] <czajkowski> nods
[23:42] <akgraner> make them gray til you achieve them, then when achieved they are pretty :-)  or something
[23:42] <jono> czajkowski, like if you click the My Trophies and Oppotunities buttons it should be clear
[23:42] <jono> akgraner, I tried that but they looked washed out
[23:42] <jono> my thinking is that it should be obvious based on what view you are looking at
[23:42] <jono> but the button should be depressed
[23:42] <jono> I will look at fixing that right now
[23:42] <jono> thanks for letting me know though
[23:43] <jono> so akgraner it sounds like you had the same issues as czajkowski, right?
[23:43] <czajkowski> no idea why I've the fridge unlocked
[23:43] <czajkowski> why would I have that what dependency?
[23:43] <jono> czajkowski, remember...unlocked doesnt mean you have it
[23:43] <jono> it means it is an *opportunity* you could have
[23:43] <akgraner> jono yep
[23:43] <akgraner> but now I get it
[23:43] <jono> czajkowski, fridge is unlocked because you an ubuntu member
[23:44] <jono> so now you could potentially be a fridge editor
[23:44] <czajkowski> hmm
[23:44] <czajkowski> ok
[23:44] <jono> in other words, click on the My Trophies tab - is there anything in there that you shouldnt have?
[23:44] <czajkowski> nope
[23:44] <jono> cool
[23:45] <jono> that means the accomplishments scripts are working as expected
[23:45] <jono> I just need to fix the depressed button issue
[23:45] <czajkowski> cool
[23:45] <czajkowski> in that case
[23:45] <jono> thanks again for the input
[23:45] <czajkowski> g'night
[23:45] <jono> night!
[23:45] <jono> coffee time for me, brb


[01:31] <elky> Myrtti, last night blackness decided to tell us how he once made an irc bot be a porn site link snarfer. he's had plenty of education on what is appropriate for -ot
[01:43] <Myrtti> I'm loling so hard
[01:53] <elky> He's certainly an individual.
[01:56] <Myrtti> right, going, hope they don't need more baby sitting today
[01:58] <elky> if he's still there, they will
[01:58] <elky> but that's why i have op rights.
[01:58]  * elky cracks knuckles.
[02:48] <devon> hi, I'm totally sorry. I need help, my system has a problem, and I ran a command "yes" and now it's repeating "y" over and over. I then flooded with Y Y Y Y Y Y Y and I got banned. I don't know what to do and I can't talk in #ubuntu. I'm sorry!
[02:48] <devon> could I please be unbanned?
[02:50] <devon> hello? is anyone there?
[02:50] <devon> *sigh*... 7 billion people, never there when I need someone
[02:53] <elky> IdleOne, connection fixed?
[02:54] <IdleOne> yup
[02:54] <IdleOne> was I flodding out?
[02:54] <IdleOne> flooding*
[02:54] <elky> nope
[02:54] <IdleOne> lol
[02:55] <elky> you disappeared and devon wanted to talk about his ban but i'm too busy
[02:55] <IdleOne> yup looking at it right now
[02:56] <devon> if you can see this, please ungag me. I need help. Badly
[02:57] <IdleOne> devon: #ubuntu has bots that help prevent flooding. When you did the YYY thing it made the bots angry, it makes the humans angry also. Please try to be patient and remember that answers are not always available depending on who is active at that moment.
[02:58] <devon> IdleOne: I recognize this. My brain has little moments where I'm not even sure what I'm doing. I don't know why I said YYYYYYYY, but my system is doing the exact same thing right now. I'm very sorry.
[02:58] <IdleOne> alright, I will remove the ban in a moment.
[02:59] <devon> IdleOne: Thank you so much. It won't happen again. I promise!
[02:59] <IdleOne> try joining now
[02:59] <devon> I already am joined
[02:59] <elky> devon, are you using a vm?
[02:59] <devon> elky: No I am not, but I'm on another computer
[02:59] <devon> Chromebook actually
[03:00] <elky> nevermind then. vmware can sometimes do stupid things with keyboard input
[03:00] <Unit193> If you type "yes" it will repeat y until you hit CTRL+C
[03:01] <elky> oh cute, i hadn't had that one before...
[03:01] <devon> Ctrl+C doesn't stop it
[03:01] <devon> Ctrl+Alt+F2 does something
[03:02] <devon> Anyway, I don't want to get offtopic in here. IdleOne, thank you so much.
[03:02] <devon> Sorry to bug you, but I still get a message when trying to chat in #ubuntu
[03:03] <devon> [21:02] <devon> Hello [21:02] == Cannot send to channel: #ubuntu
[03:03] <IdleOne> oh
[03:03] <IdleOne> part #ubuntu and rejoin
[03:03] <devon> Still doesn't work
[03:04] <IdleOne> ok part both #ubuntu and #ubuntu-unregged
[03:04] <devon> Nevermind
[03:13] <bulletrulz> hey
[03:13] <bulletrulz> how long am i banned
[03:14] <IdleOne> There is no time limit. Bans are removed when a user comes here and demonstrates that they are able to follow the channel guidelines
[03:14] <bulletrulz> i will be able too im sorru
[03:15] <IdleOne> You have been warned on many occasions about being off topic and about language.
[03:15] <IdleOne> Come back in 7 days and we can talk about it then.
[03:15] <bulletrulz> ok
[03:16] <IdleOne> fantastic.
[03:16] <IdleOne> Now if you could /part this channel that would make me a happy camper.
[03:24] <bulletrulz> well wouuld if i said no
[03:24] <bulletrulz> jk
[03:24] <bulletrulz> bye
[03:35] <elky> oh dear gods, they're all talking to each other
[06:09] <gnomefreak> for being 1a, its busy in #ubuntu
[06:09] <gnomefreak> s/la/late
[06:09] <gnomefreak> oops sorry 1am was correct
[06:12]  * DrManhattan shrugs.
[06:13] <IdleOne> DrManhattan: The Ubuntu community is a family friendly place, comments like you made in #ubuntu are not acceptable. Even when they are directed to users who are being a problem.
[06:14] <DrManhattan> That's nice. I suppose bullying users is family - friendly?
[06:14] <IdleOne> Who bullied you?
[06:14] <DrManhattan> that would be you.
[06:14] <IdleOne> I'm not sure what you think I did is bullying
[06:15] <DrManhattan> Sure you dont.
[06:15] <IdleOne> Please explain
[06:15]  * gnomefreak doesnt
[06:15]  * DrManhattan shrugs. Please let me know if/when the ban is ever removed. I'm a disabled vet and I don't really have time for such nonsense. Have a wonderful night.
[06:17] <gnomefreak> may i please ask what he didto make you think he was bullying you
[06:17] <IdleOne> bans have no time limit and we don't have time to go about informing users of when a ban is lifted anyway. If you want to explain to me why you think my removing you from the channel is bullying I will be happy to discuss it.
[06:18] <DrManhattan> so be it. Hope it makes you feel like a big man.
[06:18] <IdleOne> It makes me sad that I have to explain to a vet the reasoning behind rules and guidelines
[06:19] <IdleOne> I hope you have a great night.
[06:19] <DrManhattan> You too :)
[06:19] <IdleOne> Please part the channel.
[06:19] <DrManhattan> well, I read the guidelines and I've joined the channel as you asked. I'll part when my ban is removed. Thanks.
[06:20] <gnomefreak> DrManhattan: read the topic of this channel
[06:21] <gnomefreak> Please exit the channel once your issue is dealt with. | We reserve the right to remove idlers  << from topic
[06:22]  * DrManhattan shrugs.  So much for "family friendly".
[06:22] <gnomefreak> so if you feel that we did not settle your issue than please explain more
[06:22] <IdleOne> Does it make you feel like a big man to be defiant?
[06:22] <DrManhattan> No, it feels like a gigantic waste of time when all I wanted was a peaceful, family friendly #ubuntu channel.
[06:23] <IdleOne> and making a comments about peoples mothers is family friendly?
[06:23] <DrManhattan> No, that was just a momentary lapse of judgement.
[06:24] <DrManhattan> Kinda like you're having now :)
[06:24] <gnomefreak> we can try to solve your problem but you need to be respectfull and explain in detail what you did to get removed from channel because as i under stand it you were removed due to your comments in #ubuntu
[06:24] <DrManhattan> Nah.
[06:25] <DrManhattan> I don't need to do that at all.
[06:25] <IdleOne> I agree, but you are continuing with that lapse of judgment by being defiant in this channel. All I need is for you to acknowledge that you have read the !guidelines and agree to follow them and I will gladly remove the ban
[06:25] <IdleOne> in case you didn't see my last post
[06:25] <IdleOne> I agree, but you are continuing with that lapse of judgment by being defiant in this channel. All I need is for you to acknowledge that you have read the !guidelines and agree to follow them and I will gladly remove the ban
[06:25] <DrManhattan> IdleOne, I have done that already. Would you like me to repost?
[06:26] <IdleOne> Please
 well, I read the guidelines and I've joined the channel as you asked. I'll part when my ban is removed. Thanks.
[06:26] <gnomefreak> DrManhattan: once agtain no idlers
[06:26] <IdleOne> I miss the part where it says you agree to follow them
[06:26] <gnomefreak> again
[06:26] <DrManhattan> gnomefreak, you are now ignored.
[06:26] <DrManhattan> IdleOne, I agree to follow them.
[06:26] <gnomefreak> DrManhattan: ignoring me doesnt stop me from removing you
[06:27] <gnomefreak> again
[06:27] <IdleOne> great, now if you would please take a few minutes and explain to me where I was a bully?
[06:28] <DrManhattan> IdleOne, I consider this entire routine you've put me through to be bullying. All you had to say was "family friendly channel, we've got it handled" and I would have stfu
[06:28] <DrManhattan> as this extra dragging out of the situation is also bullying, because it is pointless and only serves the purpose of "showing me who's boss"
[06:28] <DrManhattan> well good for you, you're the boss
[06:29] <IdleOne> fantastic. I am glad to have your blessing.
[06:29] <DrManhattan> wonderful
[06:29] <IdleOne> have a great night. I don't think the ban is going to be removed at this time
[06:29] <DrManhattan> yeah, no bullying there.
[06:30] <IdleOne> none at all, my reason for not removing the ban is your attitude towards me.
[06:30] <DrManhattan> sure. You're the boss.
[06:31] <IdleOne> You seem to think that we are ina fight here. I'm just trying to help maintain a safe environment for all the users in #ubuntu and honestly I don't think that at this time you can help me do that.
[07:29] <bazhang> hi
[07:29] <IdleOne> DrManhattan: I'm glad you came back. perhaps I was a little harsh and I should have sent you a discrete message instead of removing you from the channel
[07:29] <DrManhattan> Thank you. I shouldn't have said what I said in channel or given you a hard time about doing your job.
[07:30] <IdleOne> I'll remove the ban now. gimme a moment
[07:30] <DrManhattan> thank you
[07:30] <IdleOne> wnaa hug it out?
[07:30] <IdleOne> wanna*
[07:30] <IdleOne> :)
[07:30] <DrManhattan> sure :)
[07:31] <IdleOne> Alright, get out here and sorry that it became such a big issue out of a really minor issue
[07:32] <IdleOne> you should be able to join #ubuntu now
[07:36] <DrManhattan> thank you
[07:36] <bazhang> @mark #ubuntu psycopathic more offtopic nonsense
[07:39]  * Tm_T huggles IdleOne
[07:41] <Unit193> Tm_T: Too tight.
[07:41] <Tm_T> awww
[14:11] <bazhang> DOOD
[14:11] <bazhang> what system has nothing for blkid
[14:12] <ikonia> well, if you read what he said he'd run it for each partition
[14:12] <ikonia> I wanted him to run it on it's own show it output anything it could see
[14:12] <ikonia> then it could be worked backwards
[14:12] <bazhang> even a live cd would have some kind of output
[14:13] <ikonia> well, yes and no
[14:13] <ikonia> it depends, but again if he's runing it against partitions, and those partitions have changed/different it will output nothing
[14:13] <ikonia> hence why just running it on it's own was of interest to me
[14:13] <bazhang> there's simply a lot he's not sharing
[14:13] <ikonia> it could be one of many things
[14:14] <bazhang> it's probably a virtualized aws using vbox
[14:14] <ikonia> eg: disks that are not partitioned and raided
[14:14] <ikonia> if the raid array is not assembled the partitions he's checking won't sohw
[14:14] <bazhang> on an encrypted LVM
[14:14] <ikonia> show
[14:15] <bazhang> why would he be root, unless he means single user mode
[14:15] <ikonia> well, the livecd logs you in as ubuntu, so again another reason I was trying to understand his setup
[14:24] <bazhang> Pici, he was running blkid /dev/sdX instead of just blkid as i konia asked, so yes he's wrong
 read: apt-get dist-upgrade should show all packages but it's a potentially destructive command and I wouldn't recommend it.
[14:38] <bazhang> really?
[14:41] <k1l_> he is not using ubuntu since 8.04. he was suggesting startx instead of starting the lightdm. so i think he doesnt really know what es is talking
[14:41] <bazhang> he did not even know that xorg.conf no longer exists
[14:42] <k1l_> :/
[14:42] <bazhang> I'd bet he's a bored Arch user with no idea of Ubuntu in the last 3-4 years
[14:44] <bazhang> wiki.mandriva.com/en/Drakx11
[14:44] <bazhang> wunderbar
[14:54] <bazhang> is read even running Ubuntu?
[14:54] <k1l_> lsb_release -a showed 12.10
[14:54] <k1l_> if this is from that macine
[14:55] <bazhang> ok
[14:55] <bazhang> wonder what the apple inc from Lenovo comment was all about
[14:55] <k1l_> dont know
[15:27] <bazhang> guess FSF wont get an invite to the next UDS
[15:28] <IdleOne> maybe they should. I don't agree with RMS but he isn't entirely wrong.
[15:30] <Myrtti> what's he done this time
[15:30] <Myrtti> ah, oh
[15:30] <Pici> complained about Ubuntu
[15:30] <bazhang> extremely offtopic in #kubuntu
 I love the channel police... Always so helpfull when not needed. And when needed, so silent ... cause no knowledge about any topic ...
[15:32] <bazhang> blueskaj is not helping any
[15:34] <bazhang> @mark #kubuntu smurphy blueskaj extreme offtopic, even after warnings
[15:37] <bazhang> they effective have shut down the channel from any actual support
[15:37] <bazhang> +ly
[15:37] <Tm_T> nothing new in that unfortunately
[15:38] <bazhang> this was way past the usual chit chat
[15:43] <bazhang> * Smurphy<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has left #kubuntu ("too much channel police in here ...")
[15:43] <Tm_T> aww
[15:44] <bazhang> and the take over excuse is: it's dead in here, so we can chat all we want..
[15:44] <IdleOne> y u g077a B such a buzzkill!
[15:44] <bazhang> Blueskaj really gets a free pass in #kubuntu and #ubuntu+1
[15:45] <bazhang> I recall at one time when he was a superb helper
[15:45] <IdleOne> in +1 his offtopic is often related to development and usually he is accompanied by actual devs.
[15:46] <IdleOne> but I agree that he needs to tone it down
 hi, very neat. ubuntu is greatly succeeding in pissing me off
[18:49] <bulletrulz> hello IdleOne
[18:49] <IdleOne> If you agree to follow the !guidelines (no swearing, stay on topic) in #ubuntu I have no problem with you being there
[18:49] <bulletrulz> ok
[18:49] <bulletrulz> i agree
[18:49] <IdleOne> technically you are ban evading.
[18:49] <IdleOne> we will over look it though because you did point it out yourself :)
[18:50] <bulletrulz> how?
[18:50] <bulletrulz> yeah i knew that was the right thing to d
[18:50] <bulletrulz> do
[18:50] <IdleOne> your ipv6 host has changed
[18:50] <IdleOne> anyway, not a major deal, just follow the rules please :)
[18:50] <bulletrulz> oh ohk aright thank you
[18:51] <IdleOne> sure thing.
[18:51] <bulletrulz> aright i will now /part
[18:51] <IdleOne> thank you