[00:38] <len-dt> knome, That is a much more limited workflow.... about how I do things as a non-photographer for archive only purposes.
[00:39] <knome> sure, just wanted to share
[00:39] <len-dt> I too load direct off USB stick or From the SD port on my netbook. I do limited editing that is mostly make things the right way up :)
[00:39] <knome> didn't actually even read it thoroughly ;)
[00:39] <len-dt> It is interesting that he uses the proprietary SW that Brant uses.
[00:40] <len-dt> The other thing That was interesting (and I have found to be true) is how long an impression of some SW lasts.
[00:41] <len-dt> That is if I tried something a few years ago and it was bad, I feel the same way about that software now even though it may have gotten better.
[00:54] <knome> yeah
[01:20] <len-dt> Hmm, PCIe interrupts are interesting. They are sent over the same lines as the data it seems.
[01:26] <len-dt> I think I understand why PCIe sound cards may be a problem.
[11:49] <smartboyhw> Did anyone realize that actually the raring i386 images don't have -pae?:P I've reported this to apw...
[11:52] <astraljava> How to Enable PAE
[11:52] <astraljava> Ubuntu 12.10 (Quantal, unreleased) and onwards
[11:52] <astraljava> The generic default kernel already has PAE enabled.
[11:52] <astraljava> I don't think there is a need for specific -pae flavor anymore.
[11:52] <astraljava> The above text is from: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnablingPAE
[11:55] <smartboyhw> astraljava, yep anyway......
[12:04] <astraljava> Anyway what? :)
[13:32] <scott-work> i have learned quite a bit over the last week about synfig studio. it is bloody amazing
[13:36] <smartboyhw> Hey scott-work good;D
[14:19]  * smartboyhw finds it weird that ubuntustudio-default-settings is in section gnome....
[14:28] <zequence> scott-work: How do our blueprints end up here? http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-raring/
[14:28] <zequence> Since they haven't yet..
[14:29] <zequence> Do we need to register them somewhere?
[14:30] <smartboyhw> zequence, they need the Ubuntu Drivers to approve into raring....
[14:30] <smartboyhw> zequence, find skaet or any member of release team
[14:43] <scott-work> zequence: we need to talk to the release manager i would suppose
[14:43] <scott-work> normally this has been kate, although i am unsure what their plans are for the future, i.e. will they continue using status.ubuntu.com
[14:43] <knome> scott-work, there is no "release manager" :)
[14:44] <scott-work> knome: well, whatever kate's position has been
[14:44] <smartboyhw> scott-work, er kate's position is now obsolete right?
[14:44] <knome> scott-work, they will. you basically need somebody to accept the bleuprints for R
[14:44] <scott-work> a week ago or so i noticed that not many of the "flavours" were listed on status.ubuntu.com
[14:44] <knome> scott-work, it was the release manager. it's just that there isn't one this time.
[14:44] <smartboyhw> scott-work, the Ubuntu Drivers have the privellege right?
[14:44] <scott-work> smartboyhw: i am unsure
[14:45] <knome> zequence, just ask stgraber to do it for you.
[14:45] <scott-work> knome: i imagine the flavours that were already on status.ubuntu.com had leads that were already on the release team and could add their flavours themselves
[14:45] <smartboyhw> scott-work, 1. Xubuntu didn't, 2. We didn't and 3. Where's Lubuntu then?:P
[14:45] <knome> scott-work, that makes sense :)
[14:46] <scott-work> i think it was edubuntu (stgraber) and kubuntu (scott k i think)
[14:46] <knome> scott-work, but ultimately, there's quite many people who can accept stuff
[14:46] <knome> scott-work, yup.
[14:46] <knome> we should look for allowing flavor leads to accept their own stuff
[14:47] <knome> or in other words, be able to accept blueprints for releases
[14:47] <zequence> We're lacking a bit of administration rights withing this team
[14:47] <scott-work> was it scottk that had a head injury and wore a patch for a while?
[14:47] <knome> scott-work, at least didn't in uds :)
[14:47] <zequence> scott-work: Nope. that's the Kubuntu lead, I forget his name
[14:47] <knome> riddell
[14:47] <smartboyhw> zequence, wait Xubuntu didn't then:P
[14:47] <knome> jonathan
[14:47] <zequence> Yea, Riddel. He was wearing an eye patch at times
[14:47] <smartboyhw> Stephane Graber + Jonathan Riddell
[14:48] <knome> zequence, we don't have the rights to accept stuff either. that's not what has been given to flavors
[14:48] <scott-work> yes, riddell! that's him
[14:48] <scott-work> knome: i would think we should be able to accept these things
[14:48] <smartboyhw> scott-work, actually I think riddell and graber are Canonical employees....
[14:48] <smartboyhw> at least riddell
[14:48] <scott-work> smartboyhw: i believe stgraber is as well
[14:49] <smartboyhw> scott-work, yeah
[14:49] <zequence> knome: We need to get an Ubuntu dev into our team(s). Or, one of us should become one
[14:49] <smartboyhw> zequence, /me agrees
[14:49] <knome> scott-work, i would do, but that's not how it has been done in the past, and we need to approach the DMB if we want to pursue that
[14:49] <knome> zequence, that doesn't give you the accept-rights yet
[14:49] <smartboyhw> workitem for this week: Target all blueprints to raring!
[14:49] <scott-work> knome: i would support this, should we work up an email together? send separate emails?
[14:49] <zequence> Well, one little step at a time, I guess :)
[14:50] <smartboyhw> scott-work, seperate is better I think. Tell Lubuntu and Mythbuntu's lead also
[14:50] <knome> scott-work, i have it on my todo, but if you have time to work on it, feel free to
[14:50] <smartboyhw> Lubuntu Lead = Julien Lavergne, Mythbuntu = ?
[14:50] <knome> smartboyhw, doesn't need to be a separate email. once we get things moving, they will be applied to all flavors
[14:51] <knome> smartboyhw, i already discussed this with cjwatson and he told to send email and it'll be discussed amongst the right people
[14:51] <smartboyhw> knome, ah good:D
[14:51] <smartboyhw> That is a community win:D
[14:54] <smartboyhw> zequence, so how are you gonna simplify the blueprints eh?
[14:55] <zequence> smartboyhw: I'll start removing dependencies for blueprints that aren't nessecary to be completed for a specific release, such as docs, soft dev, etc
[14:56] <smartboyhw> zequence, I think you should try to simplify the workflows....As our school song says "All for each, each for all":P
[14:58] <zequence> smartboyhw: I want to tell you something though. I don't mind you having opinions, and I know you are young and eager to participate, but it is not very good of you to participate in communications where you are not assigned to participate
[14:58] <zequence> smartboyhw: I'm sort of handling blueprints, with scott-work having the last word.
[14:59] <zequence> smartboyhw: I've told you this before. My advice is you find something you want to do, and focus on that
[14:59] <zequence> One soup should not have too many cooks
[14:59] <zequence> smartboyhw: Like testing docs
[15:03] <zequence> going home now.. (bb in 15)
[15:15] <smartboyhw> zequence, that is just a suggestion.......
[15:41] <smartboyhw> BTW zequence/ len-dt / scott-work try to book a session in the Ubuntu Developer Week here (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Timetable). Don't forget to contact dholbach....
[22:32] <knome> http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2012/11/19/joining-the-darktable-side/ :)


[09:55] <SuneK> How do i get the logs of a specific snap running on a juju instance (kube-apiserver in this case)
[10:35] <SuneK> I found out eventually. (It's in syslog)
[11:27] <magicaltrout> alright folks
[11:27] <magicaltrout> kjackal or someone. Is there something I can prod from within an app to find out if my app is running within a charm?
[11:32] <magicaltrout> scrap that found what i want
[12:49] <kjackal> SuneK: yes these are systemd services. journalctl should get you the logs
[12:51] <kjackal> magicaltrout: you can do a while true loop and try try to hear the fan :)
[12:51] <magicaltrout> :P
[12:52] <kjackal> lol
[12:54] <SuneK> Where can I find the repos for the snaps used in the CDK?
[12:54] <kjackal> SuneK: just a sec let me llok for them
[12:57] <kjackal> SuneK: they are on the Global store, not sure what should I get you from there...
[12:57] <kjackal> I see them when I get here: https://dashboard.snapcraft.io/snaps/
[12:58] <kjackal> but thats probably because i have proper permissions...
[12:58] <SuneK> Yeah I found them there, but the developer website references an email. I would like to look into their definitions and eventually modify them
[12:58] <kjackal> for example: https://dashboard.snapcraft.io/snaps/kube-scheduler/
[13:01] <SuneK> Hmm I get a 404 when I go there
[13:01] <SuneK> Do I need special permissions?
[13:02] <kjackal> Can you give us some more info on what you want to do?
[13:02] <kjackal> Do you want to see the source? How these snaps are created?
[13:02] <kjackal> I can point you to the github repos
[13:02] <kjackal> SuneK: ^
[13:03] <SuneK> Exactly, I want to make the vsphere cloud provider setup easier in CDK. Github repos would be excellent
[13:04] <kjackal> ok just a sec
[13:06] <kjackal> SuneK:  here is one: https://github.com/juju-solutions/cdk-addons
[13:07] <kjackal> https://github.com/juju-solutions/release/tree/rye/snaps/snap
[13:07] <SuneK> Thanks kjackal!
[13:43] <kjackal> hi elmaciej!
[13:44] <elmaciej> hi kjackal!
[13:49] <kjackal> elmaciej: I am eu based so you can reach me your morning hours
[13:51] <elmaciej> kjackal: Thanks a lot. I thought that maybe they will make decision today for this workshop but looks like it will take time
[13:51] <magicaltrout> does greece count as europe?
[13:56] <kjackal> lol eu for sure magicaltrout :p
[13:57] <kjackal> jealous magicaltrout
[13:57] <kjackal> ?
[13:59] <magicaltrout> sob
[13:59] <magicaltrout> i might move in
[13:59] <magicaltrout> i'm very good a striking
[13:59] <kjackal> You are always wellcomed but I though you were moving to LA
[14:00] <magicaltrout> ha
[14:00] <magicaltrout> trying to sell my house currently actually
[14:00] <magicaltrout> the new potential buyer are fscking rubbish
[14:01] <kjackal> you are in a bad shape if you have to do fscking
[14:13] <magicaltrout> at least the UK can afford sufficient bandwidth to keep me online though kjackal
[14:14] <utking> How can i re-deploy a failed envirnoment?
[14:16] <rick_h> utking: what failed and you want to deploy a new model or do you mean to retry what failed?
[14:19] <knobby> magicaltrout: keep the gloves above the waist!
[14:19] <magicaltrout> hehe
[14:19] <magicaltrout> kjackal gives as good as he gets
[14:19] <knobby> this is true
[14:20] <utking> I want to retry a model that failed :)
[14:20] <utking> I'm deploying openstack, and it selected the wrong machine, so i have to do it again
[14:21] <utking> with maas that is
[14:21] <knobby> you could use --to in order to select the machine
[14:22] <utking> well i kind of removed all the machines, so i just need to re-deploy the model
[14:22] <utking> can i use --to in the gui?
[14:22] <knobby> you can in a bundle I know, but I'm not sure about the ui
[14:23] <utking> or do i have to that specifically on the one service (cinder) that i'm deploying?
[14:23] <knobby> did you destroy the model or remove the applications?
[14:23] <utking> hmm
[14:23] <utking> no, none of it, it took some time to set up the model the way i wanted to
[14:23] <knobby> when I deployed I altered my bundle to use --to
[14:23] <utking> where do you do that?
[14:23] <knobby> so you can just add-unit myapp --to machine
[14:23] <knobby> `juju add-unit myapp --to machine`
[14:24] <utking> ah ok :) sounds nice
[14:24] <utking> even though that app is a part of a big model?
[14:25] <knobby> you'd have to find the bundle you were deploying and download it and edit it. Then you juju deploy that filename instead of your original bundle. Using the gui though, I don't know how you would do that, but I imagine you can...
[14:25] <knobby> yeah, you'd need to add all the units back that you need for the whole model
[14:25] <utking> hmm, ok
[14:25] <knobby> so if you have 2 kubernetes-worker and 1 kubernetes-master(I know you don't with openstack, but I don't know the app names for that), you would run add-unit twice for kubernetes-worker and once for kubernetes-master
[14:26] <utking> ah ok, i'll guess i'll try that then
[14:26] <utking> but is there no way of just re-deploying the model i have?
[14:26] <kjackal> I do not know what juju magic you pulled out here magicaltrout but I managed to get quassel back on!
[14:26] <utking> like release the machines, and do it once more
[14:27] <knobby> I don't know of a way to do a deploy to a specific model, but it certainly sounds like something you could do...let me look at the docs
[14:28] <utking> sure, that would be great! :)
[14:28] <knobby> utking: looks like you can do a juju deploy -m model_name to deploy to a specific model
[14:28] <utking> i tried that
[14:29] <utking> i just get no charm or bundle specified
[14:29] <knobby> --map-machines exists too in order to select what machines
[14:29] <knobby> oh it would be something like `juju deploy -m my_model openstack`, but then you'd get random machines...I think you need --map-machines to do what you want
[14:30] <utking> hmm, in where in that sentence? ^^
[14:31] <utking> guess i'll read the docs some more
[14:31] <utking> pretty new to juju and maas
[14:36] <knobby> so maybe `juju deploy -m my_model --map-machines 0=5,1=2,2=1,3=4 openstack-base` if you wanted machine 0 from the bundle to use your machine 5, which ends up with neutron-gateway, etc
[14:36] <knobby> I found the machine numbers and what mapped to them here: https://api.jujucharms.com/charmstore/v5/openstack-base/archive/bundle.yaml
[14:37] <elmaciej> Hi! I'm trying to relate rabbitmq and ceph-mon, when I do it it is failing as it's trying to insert rbd module which exist
[14:38] <elmaciej> should I use specific charm for rabbit on ceph based openstack installation ? I'm doing pike
[14:38] <elmaciej> ceph-relation-changed subprocess.CalledProcessError: Command '['modprobe', 'rbd']' returned non-zero exit status 1
[14:39] <knobby> sorry, utking, it would be --map-machines=existing,0=5,1=2,2=1,3=4
[14:40] <utking> oh wow! thanks knobby! I'll try that out, you've been an angel :)
[14:42] <kjackal> elmaciej: that might be an isse with the cepf relation
[14:42] <elmaciej> kjackal: it looks like, I'll try to deploy rabbit outside of the container, I have ceph-mon running without container too
[14:42] <elmaciej> wondering if I need a relation between ceph and rabbit
[14:44] <kjackal> elmaciej: there are some restrictions when trying to modprobe inside a container
[14:44] <kjackal> the problem is that the kernel is owned by the host operating system and it might not allow for module loading
[14:45] <elmaciej> well it should check if the module is not loaded as it is already loaded
[14:49] <kjackal> fair point, if you open an issue on the charm code the devs will eventualy get to it
[14:49] <kjackal> you could also submit a PR
[14:49] <kjackal> or even "fork" the charm under your namespace
[14:50] <elmaciej> well I usually pull the charm and rebuild if it's quick fix :)
[14:50] <kjackal> you do charm pull or do you clone the charm layer and then do a charm build?
[14:51] <elmaciej> charm pull, then fix, then charm build and install local charm
[14:52] <kjackal> which charm are you using?
[15:24] <elmaciej> kjackal: I found proper way, none of them can be put in container and then looks good. testing now and let now if any issue appear. Thanks!


[11:09] <trylik> hello
[11:09] <trylik> one question
[11:10] <trylik> anybody there?
[11:10] <christiane> I think "one question" has left just before you entered ;-)
[11:10] <trylik> no
[11:10] <trylik> :)
[11:11] <trylik> can you tell me
[11:11] <trylik> how can i add wiki page about my laptop?
[11:11] <trylik> i've necer used wiki before
[11:11] <trylik> and it is high time to do it (isn't it?)
[11:13] <christiane> Mmh, that's a good idea. I can't tell you exactly *how* to do it ... but maybe you want to add your model to http://tuxmobil.org ...
[11:13] <christiane> ... too
[11:14] <trylik> see i have asus a6u and there is no such model is laptop list
[11:14] <trylik> can do both i think :)
[11:14] <trylik> have some hour to spend
[11:14] <christiane> http://tuxmobil.org/laptop_submit.html
[11:15] <trylik> there is gentoo page for it
[11:16] <trylik> now what?
[11:17] <christiane> follow the white rabb... err link I just posted.
[11:18] <trylik> i've done this already
[11:18] <trylik> and submitted my model, brand, os etc
[11:18] <trylik> now?
[11:20] <christiane> Enjoy the good feeling having done something really good to all mankind ...
[11:20] <trylik> great
[11:20] <christiane> btw. where's the entry you just made?
[11:20] <christiane> An Asus A6U? Can't find another than the gentoo ...
[11:20] <trylik> Submit Confirmation
[11:20] <trylik> Thank you for your submission. All submissions will be reviewed manually and therefore may take a little time to appear on the TuxMobil webpage. You will get an acknowledgement in less than a week. If you don't get it please check your mail address. Yes sometimes I get a message with an invalid sender address.
[11:21] <trylik> "manually"
[11:21] <christiane> ah ok
[11:23] <trylik> nm
[11:23] <trylik> bye