[12:57] <man05> Hello, I updated to 8.04 and something went wrong. Is there a way to repair the system.. or something.. It's really bad time for me for reinstalling..
[12:57] <ct529> ghostcube: I thoroughly hate it, the systemsettings
[13:01] <tycale_> man05: What's wrong with your kubuntu ?
[13:02] <man05> tycale_ , thank you.. systemsettings is not working as well as gkrellm epiphany firefox..
[13:02] <Dr_willis> sounds nasty.
[13:02] <Dr_willis> runing  them from a terminal., should give some error messages/info
[13:02] <man05> systemsettings was the beggining. then, stupid me, install kde4 and it got bad..
[13:03] <ghostcube> oha
[13:03] <ghostcube> so simply uninstall kde4 :| maybe this will fix it
[13:04] <ct529> man05: what does it mean bad?
[13:04] <ct529> ghostcube: we should start a "ban systemsettings" movement
[13:04] <ct529> ghostcube: I do really, really like mandriva control center
[13:04] <eMaX> hi all
[13:05] <ghostcube> ct529: yes but the normal kcontrol is so cool
[13:05] <ghostcube> all settings doable
[13:05] <ghostcube> no probs
[13:05] <eMaX> how can I start a session of firefox v2 when I'm running firefox 3?
[13:05] <ghostcube> why is this gone ?
[13:05] <cinex> kcontrol! kcontrol! kcontrol!
[13:05] <ghostcube> :)
[13:05] <Dr_willis> eMaX,  run the 'firefox-2' command from a terminal perhaps
[13:05] <man05> running from terminal gkrellm gives me nothing. same applyies with firefox. I will uninstall kde4 and will reinstall gkrellm. Because i think is something with gtk based apps. Bad means.. how i feel! whings got slow.. In kcontrol i only have an empty folder on the left, networks..
[13:06] <ghostcube> 8.04 has no libgtk1.2 and libg1.2 anymore
[13:06] <ct529> ghostcube: yes kcontrol is much better
[13:06] <ghostcube> ct529: yep all options easily accesable
[13:06] <ct529> ghostcube: we should start a "ban systemsettings AND reintroduce kcontrol" movement
[13:06] <ghostcube> yep we should
[13:06] <ghostcube> :)
[13:07] <ct529> ghostcube: cinex: I do actually have kcontrol. Why don't you?
[13:07] <ghostcube> ct529: on 3.59 is have it on 4.03 afaik there is no more kcontrol
[13:07] <ct529> ghostcube: not anymore or not yet?
[13:08] <ghostcube> ct529: it should be taken out as i read the pr for kde4
[13:08] <ghostcube> correct
[13:09] <ct529> ghostcube: and substituted with what????
[13:09] <MrShady> hii
[13:10] <ghostcube> systemsettings
[13:10] <ct529> ghostcube: bleah!
[13:10]  * ct529 rebooting
[13:12] <man05> "Removing linux-headers-2.6.22-14-generic" mm.. maybe i shouldn't sudo aptitude remove kde4-core kdm-kde4 !!
[13:12] <cinex> anyone have any problems with cpu stepping in 8.04 ?
[13:12] <cinex> im asking to see if its a common problem
[13:13] <TheCobra> Does anybody can help me with my troubles on my graphic controller?
[13:15] <man05> gtk-qt-engine-kde4 might also be the problem for the gtk applications when i run them from kde 3.x ..
[13:21] <sigma_1234> when will kde4.1 alpha be ready for download?
[13:24] <sigma_1234> !dev
[13:26] <ghostcube> TheCobra: what version
[13:26] <flaccid> hey whats that program to view .chm files?
[13:27] <vbgunz> python is loosely and weakly typed? in other words, no declaring before hand and names aren't stuck into a particular type?
[13:29] <vbgunz> sorry
[13:29] <Daviey> no, as in there is little notion OF type
[13:30] <kenox> hi
[13:30] <flaccid> where is ubotu
[13:30] <kenox> i am using kubuntu 8.04 kde4
[13:31] <kenox> i am not able to hear anything
[13:31] <kenox> help
[13:31] <kenox> it was working when i installed the os
[13:31] <ghostcube> open kmix
[13:32] <ghostcube> and check that u dont have set pcm to 0 or master to 0
[13:32] <kenox> pcm to 0?
[13:32] <kenox> how
[13:32] <ghostcube> if u open kmix
[13:33] <kenox> k
[13:33] <ghostcube> u have the ability to adjust all chans
[13:33] <kenox> k]
[13:33] <ghostcube> maybe a prog is using pcm for voulme instead of mater
[13:33] <kenox> did you mean unmute it?
[13:33] <ghostcube> so if u edit with main kmix master and amarok is using pcm and u mute amarok u wont hear anything
[13:33] <ghostcube> yep
[13:33] <ghostcube> pcm and master never mute
[13:33] <kenox> its not muted
[13:34] <ghostcube> hmm ok the easy part is gone then :D
[13:34] <ghostcube> open up systemsettings and restart the sound server
[13:34] <kenox> i cant even hear the system sounds
[13:34] <ghostcube> try if u can here the sample sounds
[13:34] <ghostcube> *hear
[13:34] <ghostcube> dam
[13:35] <kenox> how to restart?
[13:35] <ghostcube> it should be an option in soundsystem settings
[13:35] <kenox> cant see
[13:35] <ghostcube> hmmm
[13:35] <kenox> even juk was working
[13:35] <ghostcube> i have no kde4 so im a bit lost now
[13:35] <ghostcube> :|
[13:36] <kenox> but i changed something
[13:36] <kenox> and now its not working
[13:36] <ghostcube> the output plugin
[13:36] <ghostcube> ??
[13:36] <kenox> and i dont know what
[13:36] <kenox> not plugin
[13:36] <kenox> phonon has various backends
[13:37] <kenox> i tried to install a new one
[13:37] <kenox> but failed
[13:37] <man05> I uninstalled kde4 and alla packages involved. still gtk apps wont run :(.. and systemsettings as well..
[13:40] <wassi> hey
[13:41] <wassi> Updated to Kubuntu 8.04 yesterday and I've got a little problem...
[13:41] <wassi> my laptop daemon is configured to shut down my computer once I close it...
[13:42] <wassi> the problem is that it thinks my computer is closed all the time (but worked fine in 7.10)
[13:42] <wassi> thus the powermanagment applet turns off my computer as soon as it started
[13:42] <wassi> How can I stop it from autostarting on startup ?
[13:46] <cool_walking_> wassi: remove the config file so it doesn't shut down.
[13:48] <wassi> cool_walking: Where do I find it ?
[13:49] <cool_walking_> Probably in ~/.kde/share/apps/<appname>
[13:49] <cool_walking_> if it's a kde app that is
[13:50] <vbgunz> a leading double underscore on a name within a class name mangles it into _class__name correct? what convention does a single underscore serve?
[13:51] <Pici> vbgunz: Probably best to ask that in whatever language channel you are using
[13:55] <tgreer> afternoon all
[13:55] <kristian__> hi
[13:56] <wassi> cool_walking: seems it's not... at least I couldn't find anything there...
[13:56] <wassi> hi
[13:56] <tgreer> was just wondering if anyone knew how to bind a key to the right mouse button in kde?
[13:59] <vbgunz> damn, I keep asking in the wrong channel :(
[14:00] <cool_walking_> wassi: You could try just renaming your entire .kde directory, then logging back in.
[14:00] <wassi> wouldn't that destroy all my kde settings ?
[14:03] <cool_walking_> wassi: Yes, but I guess it might help you with this issue, then you could copy back all the settings you're sure you want.
[14:06] <wassi> cool_walking: but how would I know which settings I can copy back and which would destroy my system _again_ ?
[14:06] <cool_walking_> hmm
[14:06] <wassi> Is there no way of configuring the programs which start on startup ?
[14:06] <wassi> I never used this powermanagment daemon....
[14:07] <cool_walking_> Perhaps just "aptitude purge <appname>"
[14:07] <cool_walking_> That should remove the power management thing, _and_ it's config, so you can install it again later if you want.
[14:09] <wassi> cool_walking: seems like a good idea, but I don't know its name...
[14:10] <hexidigital> Hi everyone. This is probably a FAQ, but I tried playing a DVD with Kaffeine, and it prompted me to install libdvdcss.  However, the package is not found on kubuntu.org.  Any suggestions where I can get it?
[14:10] <SlimeyPete> !dvd
[14:10] <SlimeyPete> !medibuntu
[14:10] <hexidigital> Thanks, SlimeyPete ... forgot about the bot ;)
[14:10] <SlimeyPete> :)
[14:11]  * stdin nick names the bot "Two T's"
[14:11] <cool_walking_> wassi:  It could be kpowersave or kde-guidance-powermanager
[14:12] <sam__> hi
[14:13] <SeicherlBoB> How can i redetect the hardware at runtime? The problem is, that i don't have USB-Ports or network interfaces when docking my laptop while running. Can i force a redetection?
[14:13] <sam__> i have nvidia card on 8.04 - one user on pc uses restricted drivers and is O.K, I can't get the other user to use restricted drivers?
[14:15] <Dr_Willis> sam__,  Hmm.. if the first 'sudo capable' user set up the system to use the restricted drivers then everyone is using them...
[14:16] <sam__> thats what I thought - but isn't happening !!
[14:16] <SlimeyPete> sam__: the drivers are initialised before login
[14:16] <SlimeyPete> so it *shouldn't* make any difference who logs in O.
[14:16] <SlimeyPete> O.o
[14:16] <SlimeyPete> what are the symptoms, exactly?
[14:17] <sam__> bad resolution on one user - and system settings say  its using standard geforce 6
[14:17] <miky> ciao
[14:18] <SlimeyPete> how weird. It might be worth checking the logs in /var/log/
[14:18] <SlimeyPete> the xorg log, specifically
[14:18] <SlimeyPete> see if there are errors printed when the second user logs in
[14:19] <sam__> !pastebin
[14:20] <Dr_Willis> Under KDE - each user CAN have their own resolution setting.
[14:20] <Dr_Willis> thats not the same as them not using the restricted-drivers :)
[14:21] <sam__> it says 1028x724 - but it  clearly isn't. even changing the resolution doesn't actually change it
[14:22] <Dr_Willis> No idea on that then...
[14:23] <sam__> http://pastebin.com/m665d9783  thats the last part of log
[14:23] <sam__> I've tried removing the user and then recreating too
[14:24] <sam__> and rm .kde
[14:25] <SlimeyPete> sam__: log looks alright, though nvidia errors are usually further up
[14:27] <sam__> I'll try creating a random user, see if that has trouble too
[14:31] <ejd> I've just enabled translucency for kde and it has made the taskbar partially translucent... anyone know how to make it fully opaque again?
[14:34] <icewaterman> when launching thunderbird i get this non-fatal error: (thunderbird-bin:6695): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library.
[14:35] <icewaterman> same happens with pretty much any gtk application i use
[14:35] <danuk> hola gente ???
[14:37] <kalorin> I wish that browsers would be able to figure out how to have a setting for items to time out when loading a page
[14:37] <RurouniJones> Is there a way to disable onboard laptop speakers when a headset is plugged into the lineout? Windows does it automatically and I would lik ekubuntu to do the same
[14:37] <kalorin> ie. if I don't start to get an image in this many seconds, just display the page without it
[14:37] <kalorin> and stop trying, and stop hanging up on it
[14:38] <cool_walking_> Why don't you just have it start rendering the page instantly? There's a about:config setting for that.
[14:38] <danuk> anione girl here from usa ????????????''
[14:38] <kalorin> konqueror?
[14:38] <cool_walking_> uhm.. no
[14:38] <cool_walking_> I don't know about konqueror
[14:38] <kalorin> so far I'm not very impressed
[14:38] <kalorin> with konqueror
[14:39] <kalorin> but firefox is tunneling via ssh to my house for a proxy so that they can't see waht i'm surfing at work :)
[14:39] <icewaterman> fixed my error
[14:39] <kalorin> which then makes it too slow to download with :)
[14:39] <Pici> danuk: This is a support channel. Not a dating channel.
[14:39] <kalorin> pici, what are you doing tonight?
[14:39] <kalorin> :)
[14:46] <polysilicon> hi
[14:47] <polysilicon> when I do apt-get update, some URLs are preceded by IGN and some are by HIT. What is the meaning of IGN?
[14:47] <polysilicon> does it mean apt failed to retrieve the package index?
[14:47] <gnomefreak> polysilicon: IGN is ignore
[14:48] <gnomefreak> polysilicon: depending on what ones they are its normal
[14:49] <gnomefreak> polysilicon: it doesnt look like any official hardy repos are using IGN atm
[14:49] <polysilicon> gnomefreak, does it mean my sources are already the latest version?
[14:50] <gnomefreak> polysilicon: no it means it skipping them for some reason
[14:50] <gnomefreak> if you look further down do they end up getting hit or get?
[14:51] <polysilicon> gnomefreak, all the ign lines are ending in `Translation-en_IN`
[14:51] <gnomefreak> polysilicon: thats is fine nothing wrong with that
[14:52] <polysilicon> but the same source without Translation-en_IN, is getting hit before ign appears
[14:52] <polysilicon> okk
[14:52] <gnomefreak> polysilicon: thats good as long as the source is getting hit+get its all good
[14:54] <jb_uk> hi
[14:56] <rance> does anybody know if this is possible on the livecd:  I dont want to install, I want to commuicate with the serial port.  I want to setup a "dummy" serial device and simulate the output of the real device thats being simulated.  The PC at the other end of the null modem cable is getting new custom software, and we need to test various inputs to make sure the system responds correctly, possible?
[14:56] <jb_uk> yup s/be ok in the live version - dial up or netweorking
[14:56] <jb_uk> networking
[14:57] <v6lur> any ideas why bluetooth mouse doesn't work when booting from kubuntu hardy live cd?
[14:57] <jb_uk> laptop or desktop?
[14:57] <v6lur> it works on installed hardy environment
[14:57] <v6lur> laptop
[14:57] <jb_uk> if laptop you may need to ectivate the bluetooth option (ala hp)
[14:57] <v6lur> bluetooth service is running
[14:58] <jb_uk> they are paired? or what happens if you try?
[14:58] <v6lur> and kbluetooth keeps showing popups "connected to bluetooth travel mouse"
[14:58] <jb_uk> they are paired? or what happens if you try?
[14:58] <v6lur> but it doesn't find it, when i try to pair it
[14:58] <jb_uk> ok any other bluetooth gizmos ?
[14:59] <jb_uk> or just your mouse?
[14:59] <v6lur> cell phone
[14:59] <jb_uk> can u pair that?
[14:59] <SeicherlBoB> How can i redetect the hardware at runtime? The problem is, that i don't have USB-Ports or network interfaces when docking my laptop while running. Can i force a redetection?
[14:59] <v6lur> oh, haven't tried any else yet
[14:59] <jb_uk> try itv while u r here ;)
[14:59] <jb_uk> to prove if you bt port working ok
[14:59] <jb_uk> bt = bluetooth
[15:00] <v6lur> ok
[15:00] <v6lur> kbluemon sees the phone
[15:00] <jb_uk> and pairs?
[15:01] <downhill_> the new Kubuntu 8.04 LTS seems very polished compared to past releases
[15:01] <jb_uk> how old young is your bt mouse?
[15:01]  * jb_uk agrees 8.04 = brilliant :)
[15:02]  * jb_uk uses ubuntu (gnome though :)
[15:02] <downhill_> but is anybody having major, major issues with using the latest ATi drivers (--buildpkg Ubuntu/hardy method) from ati.com?
[15:02] <downhill_> Gnome should die in a fire.
[15:02] <jb_uk> ati = awkward ;)
[15:02] <jb_uk> lol gnome = excellent
[15:02] <downhill_> AMD/ATi has changed a lot
[15:02] <v6lur> a year and a half, i guess
[15:02] <v6lur> and i can transfer files to phone ok
[15:03] <jb_uk> could be you have an old protocol type of mouse - I suspect it defaults to paqiring key = 0000   ?
[15:03] <jb_uk> ah!! goiod so your bt port working good :)
[15:03] <v6lur> no idea - how do i check that?
[15:03] <downhill_> I hope both KDE 3.5 and Gnome die a horrible, slow, painful death once KDE 4.1 comes out.
[15:03] <jb_uk> i see you are open minded downhill :))
[15:03] <jb_uk> try to piar using the 0000 pass key
[15:03] <jb_uk> p[air
[15:03] <downhill_> since that's related to my comments... heh
[15:04] <Zet> hello
[15:04] <downhill_> open-mindedness doesn't mean "accept everything"
[15:04] <downhill_> anyway, I'm not trying to troll here
[15:04] <v6lur> hmm, how do i do that?
[15:04] <downhill_> I'm enjoying Kubuntu 8.04 LTS :)
[15:04] <jb_uk> lol been with this before linux when you have unix and xenix - X-Windows was a very expensive luxury :) however I love gnome also
[15:05] <jb_uk> can you @force pair@ v6lur?
[15:05] <downhill_> Direct X rapes OpenGL.
[15:05] <downhill_> I'm a realist, not a fanboy of anything.
[15:05] <stdin> !language | downhill_
[15:05] <v6lur> jb_uk, how can i do that?
[15:05] <Zet> my problem is the following: I upgraded to 8.04, and now whenever I login to KDE I get a window that says: "You are running low on disk space on your home partition (currently 1% free), would you like to run Konqueror to free some disk space and fix the problem?". when I click on any button in this window, nothing happens. it is completely frozen. the only way to close it is xkill. what's going on?
[15:06] <ubuntu_> sziasztok van it valaki aki magyar?
[15:06] <downhill_> oh boy
[15:06]  * jb_uk is not a boy - in fact has grandsons probably older than you ;)
[15:06] <gvv> how can play quake 4 in kubuntu???
[15:06] <downhill_> I didn't call you a boy? lol
[15:06] <jb_uk> :))))
[15:06] <downhill_> gvv: download the Linux installer from the idsoftware website (torrents are available from there) and run that...
[15:06] <jb_uk> try wine gvv
[15:06] <downhill_> with the disc in
[15:06] <RurouniJones> Where can you set it so that the panel at the bottom only displays progams on the current desktop?
[15:06] <downhill_> why? it's natively available for Linux.
[15:07] <downhill_> s/natively availble/available natively/
[15:07] <downhill_> I give up on spelling :P
[15:08] <gvv> yes but when i want play, the system say what exist a error
[15:08] <downhill_> gvv: paste the error to http://slexy.org and paste us back the resulting URL so we can read it
[15:09] <downhill_> it's probably complaining about PulseAudio or something.
[15:09] <downhill_> but let's be sure
[15:09] <downhill_> gvv: are you a serious gamer?
[15:10] <polysilicon> downhill_, do you really like kde4 over kde3?
[15:10] <downhill_> s/do you/will you/
[15:10] <downhill_> yes
[15:10] <downhill_> it's not done yet, so there's no telling yet
[15:11] <polysilicon> kde4 included in 8.04 is already a stable version of it I think..
[15:11] <polysilicon> is it not?
[15:11] <davide_> it
[15:11] <downhill_> KDE4 cuts out the middleman crap and launches us out of 1985 via catapault.
[15:11] <nosrednaekim> its fairly stable, yes
[15:12] <downhill_> polysilicon: the _alpha_ just came out, so no. there is no stable version.
[15:12] <rance> kde4 has promise, but I'm incredibly torqued that kde took down the kde3 dev documentation when kde4 doesnt even have their own kdevelop working well yet
[15:12] <gvv> yes I am a serious gamer, why???
[15:12] <stdin> downhill_: the alpha of 4.1, not 4.0
[15:12] <downhill_> gvv: take some advice from someone who would know, dual boot.
[15:12] <nosrednaekim> downhill_: thats the 4.1 alpha, not the 4.03 release
[15:12] <downhill_> stdin: 4.0 is not production-ready.
[15:12] <polysilicon> ok
[15:12] <stdin> downhill_: it was released as stable, regardless
[15:12] <downhill_> Correct! But it's also "KDE4"
[15:13] <polysilicon> by kde4 I meant 4.0
[15:13] <downhill_> no, not really... technically? sure... but no, it's not stable enough to use in production.
[15:13] <nosrednaekim> polysilicon: yes, that is stable
[15:13] <downhill_> I am not a developer
[15:13] <nosrednaekim> dunno quite what you mean... I haven't had any part of kde4 crash on me for over 2 weeks
[15:14] <nosrednaekim> (excepting kopete)
[15:14] <downhill_> it's incomplete! and you're getting awesome mileage then
[15:14] <jhutchins_wk> Ok: stable: that means it doesn't act unpredictibly, working some of the time but failing too.
[15:14] <downhill_> if I remember from oh, a few mins ago, KDE4 discussion goes into #kubuntu-kde4
[15:14] <nosrednaekim> well yes, incomplete it is. but unstable, no
[15:14] <wassi> cool_walking_: Configuration would have been in "~/.kde/share/config/power-managerrc", but I already re-installed the package... Thanks a lot for your help!
[15:14] <wassi> bye all
[15:14] <jhutchins_wk> We need to use another word for something that predictibly fails on some hardware, that's stable but broken.
[15:15] <jhutchins_wk> compiz is unstable.
[15:15] <downhill_> technically it's a "stable" release by your own logic
[15:15] <nosrednaekim> roKy ;)
[15:15] <downhill_> pick one.
[15:15] <jhutchins_wk> kde4 seems to be stable, but is far from a finished working environment.
[15:15] <downhill_> how about we all agree it's not done yet.
[15:15] <jhutchins_wk> Eyah.
[15:16] <Faust-C> is kubuntu as stable as ubuntu ?
[15:16] <downhill_> actually, we don't neven need to. it's this thing called reality... goes on whether you agree or disagree :P
[15:16] <rance> reliably broken is in fact stable, ha, I love it
[15:16] <downhill_> Faust-C: sure.
[15:16] <nosrednaekim> Eyah
[15:16] <Faust-C> cause im not liking gnome anymore atm
[15:16] <nosrednaekim> Faust-C: yes
[15:16] <Faust-C> i find myself using more kde apps
[15:16] <downhill_> Faust-C: me too
[15:16] <Faust-C> sweet gonna dl iso
[15:16] <downhill_> I install a few little gtk things, install wine and yeah... most of it is all Qt stuff
[15:16] <nosrednaekim> Faust-C: no need for that
[15:17] <Faust-C> nosrednaekim, o rly
[15:17] <nosrednaekim> Faust-C: just run "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[15:17] <rance> I really wish trolltech would get their license deal figured out, that way distros wouldnt be so scared of kde
[15:17] <downhill_> nosrednaekim: installing kubunt-desktop was a lot of broken BS for me
[15:17] <Faust-C> thats what i had read
[15:17] <nosrednaekim> rance: eh? its all firgured out
[15:17] <Faust-C> rance, they did its opensource
[15:17] <downhill_> Faust-C: the ISO is installable offline. etc, etc
[15:17] <rance> ok cool
[15:17] <downhill_> good choice to get it.
[15:17] <rance> last I read it wasnt yet
[15:17] <Faust-C> DOOM_NX, kk
[15:17] <Faust-C> er downhill_
[15:17] <nosrednaekim> Faust-C: hum, it worked fune in gutsy for me (haven't tried thatb method in hardy yet)
[15:18] <Faust-C> yeah im on gutsy atm
[15:18] <nosrednaekim> rance: that argument is so 1998 :P
[15:18] <downhill_> Faust-C: 8.04 is niiiiiice
[15:18] <Faust-C> downhill_, awsome im really wanting to get KDE back
[15:18] <downhill_> it's screaming fast compared to 7.10 here :) lots less problems as well
[15:18] <downhill_> so far, anyway :P
[15:19] <cinex> kde4 Faust-C ?
[15:19] <Faust-C> no kde 3 stable
[15:19] <Faust-C> kde4 has a ways to go
[15:19]  * downhill_ bows
[15:19] <cinex> its useable
[15:19]  * Faust-C keeps up w/ sw for the most part
[15:19] <downhill_> cinex: you're dilusional
[15:19] <Faust-C> cinex, need more than useable
[15:19] <cinex> im using it now
[15:19] <Faust-C> this is my work workstation
[15:19] <nosrednaekim> letsnot descend into this discussion again ;)
[15:19] <flaccid> i wouldn't mind hearing what is missing in kde4 atm
[15:19] <downhill_> ^
[15:19] <cinex> and as for beign delusional - I have tablets for that
[15:20] <cinex> flaccid: you cant customise it very much - if at all
[15:20] <flaccid> and why is that?
[15:20] <cinex> wasn't implemented before the feature freeze
[15:20] <downhill_> cinex: welcome to the _REAL_ world: [10:19] <Faust-C> this is my work workstation
[15:20] <cinex> you can run kicker though and have a kde3 taskbar run
[15:20] <flaccid> what feature is that?
[15:20] <Faust-C> downhill_, heh
[15:20] <nosrednaekim> cinex: that defeats the purpose:P
[15:21] <cinex> http://software-libre.rudd-o.com/KDE_4.0.0_emergency_FAQ#Why_can.27t_I_auto-hide.2F_resize_the_panel.3F__Can_I_add_a_new_panel.3F
[15:21] <cinex> no it doesn't
[15:21] <downhill_> alright, I don't know why it says "ubuntu IRC" then connects you to freenode, but w/e :P
[15:21] <flaccid> downhill_: dns
[15:21] <downhill_> DNS has absolutely nothing to do with the label they toss in Konversation by default
[15:21] <nosrednaekim> downhill_: like everything else, they had to put their branding on it ;)
[15:21] <downhill_> hehehe
[15:21] <downhill_> it's ok :)
[15:21] <sam__> hello everyone
[15:21] <downhill_> just noticed was all :)
[15:21] <flaccid> thanks cinex
[15:22] <nosrednaekim> I think they run their own server or something... but everything connects to freenode
[15:22] <nosrednaekim> hi sam__
[15:22] <flaccid> downhill_: thats part of kubuntu distro
[15:22] <downhill_> I -know- I just think it's silly
[15:22]  * downhill_ shakes head
[15:22] <sam__> is this right place to ask questions about nvidia 8600 GT related compiz problems?
[15:22] <downhill_> oooooh you're right! it's not just a label change! it *actually* goes to ubuntu.com
[15:23] <downhill_> er irc.ubuntu.com ... I think you got me
[15:23] <nosrednaekim> sam__: maybe.... but a better place might be #compiz-fusion
[15:23] <sam__> how to go to that place?
[15:23] <flaccid> irc.ubuntu.com is an alias for chat.freenode.net.
[15:23] <stdin> irc.ubuntu.com is a cname for irc.feenode.net
[15:23] <sam__> #compiz-fusion
[15:23] <SeicherlBoB> Can someone tell me what this syslog-entry means (it happens after i docked my laptop - docking stations USB ports refuse to work): kernel: [ 4191.408000] PM: Writing back config space on device 0000:02:00.0 at offset f (was ffffffff, writing 10b)
[15:24] <nosrednaekim> if you are using konversation, just click on that blue link
[15:24] <downhill_> wow, how many times do I have to say that I *KNOW* this, I just think it's silly?
[15:24] <sam__> ok
[15:24] <flaccid> downhill_: as many as you would like
[15:24] <stdin> downhill_: because people are more likely to trust *ubuntu.com than some thing called freenode
[15:24] <man05> Hello again, I am downloading the kubuntu alternative cd in order to see if there is an option repaire or something similar in order to rescue a broken system. If there is no option like this, i will try to install over my system. I assume that no data will be lost, except some configuration files or contents of .program directories in home. Is that correct?
[15:25] <skreech_> hallo
[15:25] <skreech_> what's the best cli burning tool ?
[15:25] <nosrednaekim> man05: a reinstall will wipe everything if you don't have a separate /home
[15:25] <downhill_> man05: the alternative disc doesn't have any additional recovery tools I'm aware of.
[15:25] <nosrednaekim> man05: back everything up from a liveCD
[15:25] <downhill_> what nosrednaekim said, man0
[15:25] <downhill_> man05^
[15:25] <downhill_> it's always a good idea to put /home on it's own partition
[15:26] <Zet> ok, now my computer froze completely. I tried to do a cold reboot to the Kubuntu live-cd, but that died of an error message that had something to do with a problem decompressing the filesystem on the CD. then I did a nother cold reboot and tried the feature that checks the integrity of the disc. I got the loading screen for a while, and then a black screen that started repeating the following: "BUG: Soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 11s! [exe:2673]"
[15:26] <downhill_> Zet: this is using the final release?
[15:26] <Zet> yes
[15:26] <downhill_> not some RC/beta/alpha thing?
[15:26] <Zet> no
[15:26] <nosrednaekim> Zet: do you have a laptop?
[15:26] <Zet> no
[15:27] <Zet> it's an AMD64 dual core desktop
[15:27] <downhill_> have you check the integrity of the ISO image?
[15:27] <Zet> actually no
[15:27] <downhill_> that'd be a good starting place.
[15:27] <nosrednaekim> Zet: ok, then turn the computer off and pull out the power for about 2 minutes
[15:27] <downhill_> nosrednaekim: that accomplishes ...what? heh
[15:27] <nosrednaekim> Zet: I occasionally had this problem with my Turion laptop
[15:27] <Zet> how do I check md5 sums in windows?
[15:28] <skreech_> !burn
[15:28] <downhill_> Zet: #windows
[15:28] <nosrednaekim> downhill_: I'm actually not sure... that just fixed it for me :P
[15:28] <downhill_> hahaha sounds like some strange ritual to me
[15:28] <downhill_> pat your head, pull your left leg behind you and squak to make it work
[15:29] <nosrednaekim> downhill_: hey.. w/e works... i'll do :)
[15:29] <downhill_> short of discharging some static, no idea what that would help :P
[15:29] <downhill_> sure
[15:29] <gvv> hola
[15:29] <nosrednaekim> hello gvv
[15:30] <gvv> hi my frend
[15:30] <gvv> my friend
[15:30] <downhill_> I can't read shiz in koncersation... I think it's more to do with the vesa driver ...driving than the actual app
[15:30] <downhill_> konversation*
[15:30] <downhill_> wish me luck :P brb
[15:31] <Zet> nosrednaekim: so anyway, is this bug in the Kubuntu (i.e. the kernel?) or my hardware?
[15:32] <nosrednaekim> Zet: not sure
[15:32] <nosrednaekim> hardware I think
[15:32] <Zet> well, the md5sum checks out ok
[15:32] <Zet> the iso is good
[15:32] <downhill_> woot
[15:32] <downhill_> ATi drivers installed without a hitch after I reinstalled Kubuntu :)
[15:32] <latitu> the /24 means 0.0.0.*            how to make 0.0.*.*?
[15:33] <downhill_> (and re-downloaded the .run installer)
[15:33] <llutz> latitu: /16
[15:33] <latitu> whats /16 for?
[15:34] <nosrednaekim> downhill_: heh... try loggin out :P
[15:34] <llutz> latitu:  netmask <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:34] <downhill_> nosrednaekim: it works now. 8.4 fixed that
[15:34] <BluesKaj> hiyas , I have no login page after uninstalling kde4 . I'm logging in at the TTY prompt after this message ," kinit:no resume image, during normal boot."  I'm wondering how to restore the missing step in the boot up.
[15:35] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: can you go to CTrl+alt+ f2?
[15:35] <latitu> llutz <IP_ADDRESS>/16      means      192.168.*.*   ?
[15:35] <BluesKaj> yup
[15:35] <skreech_> Shall I assume that wodim is the blessed Is it a busybox login ?
[15:35] <llutz> latitu: yes
[15:35] <latitu> llutz thx. what is /     for 192.*.*.*    ?
[15:35] <downhill_> BluesKaj: that message is irrelevant. what happened is, I think you uninstalled "kdm" as well as KDE4.
[15:36] <llutz> latitu: /8
[15:36] <downhill_> "kdm" is that log-in manager/screen/"page"/whatever you wanna call it
[15:36] <latitu> llutz thx !
[15:36] <latitu> llutz and /4 is for *.*.*.* i gues
[15:36] <llutz> 0
[15:36] <downhill_> nosrednaekim: you tempt the gods of luck :P I wanna log out now :P haha
[15:37] <nosrednaekim> heh
[15:38] <MintLars> can someone help me with iPod support in hardy? I can't use it since gutsy --> hardy upgrade.
[15:38] <BluesKaj> downhill_, I'm aware of what kdm does , but "kdm is already the newest version" message after trying several times with apt.
[15:38] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: make sure kdm is installed, then  run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[15:38] <nosrednaekim> and maybe sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[15:38] <man05> Since the system broke after upgrading to 8.04, i am thinking following some instructions to downgrade. (remove libx11-6, change sources.list hardy to gutsy, update, install kubuntu desktop). Then i could wait a while and then try to upgrade to 8.04 again. What do you think?
[15:38] <downhill_> BluesKaj: hold that thought.
[15:38] <downhill_> BluesKaj: do you have an ATi card?
[15:39] <llutz> latitu: http://www.mrhope.com/jargon/n/netmask.htm
[15:39] <nosrednaekim> man05: downgrading is gonna break things horribly
[15:39] <latitu> i just scanned the network  (having 150 computers) as nmap <IP_ADDRESS>/16 -sP   and it is giving like 500 pcs are online...... why?
[15:40] <downhill_> nmap = sexy
[15:40] <atle> after upgrading to 8.04 "system settings" gives a crash report every time i try to start it, anyone else experienced this?
[15:40] <cinex> not me
[15:40] <sam__> hi can anyone help me pls ? http://pastebin.ca/1002923
[15:40] <atle> tried about 10 times now, so can't just be random crashes
[15:40] <man05> nosrednaekim: It is not actually downgrading, but getting old versions because of the repositories and removing libX11-6.
[15:41] <man05> atle : this is one of my issues after upgrading
[15:41] <atle> man05: found a solution?
[15:41] <man05> atle: does run -> kcontrol works for you?
[15:42] <Zet> this suggests the CPU lockup bug has something to do with a restricted wlan driver, but my computer doesn't have wlan at all https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/63418
[15:42] <atle> man05: haven't thought about that before, but it does!
[15:42] <man05> atle: running kcontrol doesn't work for me.. :(
[15:42] <BluesKaj> yup, sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm , did the trick ..right on nosrednaekim :)
[15:43] <man05> atle: nice, i always liked kcontrol more!
[15:43] <downhill_> Here's a professional question, "Are there official training lessons available for Kubuntu? Resources such as video tutorials, an introductory to the desktop, getting around, etc."
[15:43] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: :)
[15:43]  * BluesKaj makes a note for the CLI cmnd text file
[15:43] <SeicherlBoB> How can i redetect the hardware at runtime? The problem is, that i don't have USB-Ports or network interfaces when docking my laptop while running. Can i force a redetection?
[15:43] <atle> man05: hmm, strange, maybe two different bugs then..
[15:44] <nosrednaekim> downhill_: there is an OpenWeek topic on that... friday I think
[15:44] <man05> nosrednaekim the guide is here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=623058 It is marked solved. This is not the problem i have, but the ability to 'downgrade'
[15:44] <downhill_> nosrednaekim: Excellent.
[15:44] <atle> hmm.. no, kcontrol and systemsettings are two different things?
[15:44] <nosrednaekim> check out the schedule in the link in the topic
[15:44] <downhill_> nosrednaekim: What's your "must have" app? :)
[15:44] <downhill_> will do
[15:45] <man05> atle: they load the same modules i think, but not the same program
[15:45] <atle> mkay, still strange systemsettings crashes, and in your case kcontrol too..
[15:45] <nosrednaekim> downhill_: bash :)
[15:45] <nosrednaekim> and pythn
[15:45] <downhill_> hah!
[15:46] <Faust-C> whats a pretty fast mirror for download
[15:46] <Faust-C> nosrednaekim, zsh ftw btw
[15:46] <downhill_> go back to Slackware, silly
[15:46] <nosrednaekim> downhill_: forgot to mention... apt :)
[15:46] <downhill_> slapt-get :P j/k
[15:46] <man05> atle: in my case kcontrol is opening with only one empty folder on the left named networks!
[15:47] <man05> downhill_ : if i had the time i would move back to gentoo :) emerge !
[15:47] <nosrednaekim> nah, I used slack for years
[15:47] <atle> man05:  hmm.. strange, i tried to google for a solution, but no answer
[15:47] <downhill_> nosrednaekim: as a buddy of mine put it, "Compiling something that's been compiled to run on billions of machines like yours is a waste of time." (or was it compiling it millions of times instead of once? either way...)
[15:48] <downhill_> man05, atle: mark kcontrol for reinstall then try it again
[15:49] <man05> atle , i had this thing from the previous version. In the lost & found in k menu, i can find all the modules of kcontrol!
[15:49] <atle> downhill_: same applies for systemsettings then i guess? kcontrol works fine here..
[15:49] <atle> man05: in lost&found?
[15:50] <downhill_> atle: sure.
[15:50] <man05> downhill_:tried both kcontrol and kde-systemsettings. Also tried to delete .kde from my home and root's !
[15:50] <atle> downhill_:  will try that then
[15:50] <downhill_> it's a shot in the dark, but can fix it if the files got corrupt/deleted/whatever
[15:50] <man05> atle : yes Kmenu->Lost&found.
[15:52] <atle> man05: i have "Audio Encoding", "Network Connections" and "Storage Media Notifications" there..
[15:53] <atle> and adept manager won't start (another process is using the db...)
[15:53] <nosrednaekim> atle: you can also run them from the command line with "kcmshell sectionname"
[15:54] <nosrednaekim> and you can get a list of sections with "kcmshell --list"
[15:54] <nosrednaekim> !aptfix
[15:54] <man05> downhill_ : there are multiple problems after the upgrade. There is no hardware failure. (In the past i had hd failure.)
[15:55] <downhill_> somehow I don't think Ubuntu killed your HDD, bud
[15:55] <man05> nosrednaekim:When I kcmshell --list, i get no results..
[15:55] <atle> wish i'd stuck with 7.10 for a while longer..
[15:55] <atle> things like this are annoying
[15:56] <nosrednaekim> man05: well, there you go... all the modules are uninstalled
[15:56] <man05> downhill_ : i'm pretty sure it is a software problem
[15:56] <KR-data> how do I make java work in Firefox 3? It worked fine before I upgraded to 8.04
[15:56] <downhill_> k
[15:57] <man05> nosrednaekim : I kmenu -> lost & Found -> accessibility and I get the module (with title: Configure: KDE Control Module) !
[15:57] <BluesKaj> atle, did you previously update after the adept notifier message saying you had updates available ?
[15:57] <chrissherry> hello
[15:57] <reagleBRKLN> which package controls "/usr/src/linux" i'm trying to build vmware and it doesn't find that directory
[15:58] <BluesKaj> atle,, there's a bug in the adept notifier which tries to update amarok and some other apps even tho they are already the newest versions
[16:00] <man05> so, any  thoughts? would you do it? past message follows:
[16:01] <man05> Since the system broke after upgrading to 8.04, i am thinking following some instructions to downgrade. (remove libx11-6, change sources.list hardy to gutsy, update, install kubuntu desktop). Then i could wait a while and then try to upgrade to 8.04 again. What do you think?
[16:01] <stdin> downgrading is not supported
[16:01] <tgreer> i was wondering if anyone could assist. I have kubuntu-kde4 on my macbook pro.  Boot time problems, /network/interfaces configuration file remained the same but cannot be proccessed. I can feel my system unstable..
[16:05] <joh6nn> that sounds like a failed update. : (
[16:05] <nosrednaekim> later guys.....
[16:06] <Lynoure> man05: I'd even rather recommend reinstalling (without formatting) over the existing install than trying to downgrade
[16:07] <atle> BluesKaj: hmm..i've had no notifications of updates via adept scince i updated to 8.04 on friday
[16:07] <joh6nn> man05: yeah, i'm with Lynoure on that one.  downgrading will almost definitely *not* help
[16:07] <benjamin> hi, I'v installed kubuntu 8.04, firefox 2 and 3. But how do i start firefox 2? any ideas?
[16:08] <man05> Lynoure, joh6nn: Because of the interfaces at boot, i have problem booting because i need to mount nfs.. i have to login and manually set the address of eth0:0. But if i install over the existing system, wouldn't i lose files?
[16:08] <latitu> $ nmap <IP_ADDRESS>/8 -sP
[16:08] <latitu> Starting Nmap 4.53 ( http://insecure.org ) at 2008-04-30 20:07 PKT
[16:08] <latitu> Strange error from connect (105):No buffer space available
[16:08] <latitu> ?
[16:08] <joh6nn> man05: you'd lose any configurations you'd customized, so you'd need to back those up, yes.
[16:08] <BluesKaj> atle,ok , was checking to make sure adept notifier wasn't stuck , running in the background
[16:09] <man05> so i am not loosing my home? there is an option, not formatting?
[16:09] <joh6nn> man05: yeah, there's an option not to format /home
[16:09] <atle> BluesKaj: running "sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a" now
[16:10] <atle> "This may take some time"x10
[16:10] <man05> But /home doesn't rely on a different partition. (stupid me)
[16:10] <latitu> whats wrong
[16:10] <joh6nn> man05: oh. then you're out of luck
[16:10] <joh6nn> i think
[16:11] <melkart> will there (probably) be a point release of 8.04 with kde 3.5.9?
[16:11] <KR-data> I can't get my homebanking module work in Firefox 3, anyone who can help?
[16:11] <stdin> melkart: 8.04 has 3.5.9 now
[16:11] <BluesKaj> atle, right ..that's the cmnd , then run,  ' sudo dpkg --configure -a '
[16:12] <melkart> stdin: i know... i meant... another bug-fix release after the release, in a month or so... like it was done for dapper
[16:13] <atle> ah, sweet, now adept starts at least ;)
[16:13] <stdin> melkart: there will be point releases of 8.04, yes
[16:13] <atle> so, i should try to re-install systemsettings then?
[16:13] <man05> joh6nn , i don't know if waiting and doing the updates will help me on that.. i think apt will not understand what is broken.. so backup and reinstalation seems to be the only way.
[16:13] <melkart> stdin: thank you
[16:13] <joh6nn> man05: that's usually the best course, yeah
[16:13] <hexidigital> yay for wpa_supplicant 'just working'
[16:14] <joh6nn> man05: and you've learned the extremely important lesson of separate partitions. ; )
[16:14] <hexidigital> erm.. sorry, wrong channel
[16:14] <man05> atle : how did you manage?
[16:14] <Lynoure> hexidigital: still nice to hear :)
[16:14] <hexidigital> Lynoure:
[16:14] <atle> man: manage what?
[16:14] <hexidigital> Lynoure:  :)
[16:14] <man05> joh6nn : you can guess my partition scheme now!
[16:14] <atle> getting adept manager to work?
[16:15] <joh6nn> man05: not a bad idea to have a tiny partition for /boot, either
[16:15] <man05> atle, sorry mistake. adept still works for me :)
[16:15] <atle> :)
[16:15] <BluesKaj> man05, sometimes using synaptic/edit /"fix broken packages"  will help too
[16:15] <atle> but gtg, i'll check in later
[16:15] <man05> BluesKaj, i don't have that option
[16:16] <man05> wait, that was a joke ..
[16:16] <man05> jah6nn: Thinking about /boot,swap,/,/home .. in that order..
[16:16] <man05> even though i don't really use swap
[16:17] <hydrogen> there is no need for a separate /boot.
[16:18] <man05> hudrogen: Is it only for security reasons, wouldn't that speed up the boot proccess?
[16:18] <llutz> man05: not at all
[16:19] <man05> BluesKaj : yes, there is that option, but doesn't find anything.
[16:19] <BluesKaj> man05, ok ..it's worth a shot sometimes
[16:19] <joh6nn> man05: that's basically the partition layout i have.  looks good. :)
[16:20] <man05> maybe i won't use /boot.. :) i also want another partition.. + i want to limit to the 4 primary
[16:20] <llutz> man05: why primary?
[16:20] <man05> BluesKaj : it does :) thnx
[16:20] <man05> llutz: i don't know.. it is something inside me..
[16:20] <latitu> iam trying to shift to wireless tech. i have a local isp for my town. how much will it be cosly that traditional wireed lan ? and i think it wil be more good as no wires gives less maintanance and more secure?
[16:21] <hexidigital> wireless is never more secure than wired
[16:21] <hexidigital> (unless i misread what you said)
[16:22] <latitu> hm. why
[16:22] <JuJuBee> I have a question about new release...I use ATI 9600 Mobility in my laptop and the proprietary drivers to get dual head setup working.  Does 8 handle the AIT card better?  Will I need the prop. drivers still?
[16:22] <hexidigital> latitu:  because, with wires, you have more control over who connects.  in wireless, it is easily crackable.
[16:23] <hexidigital> latitu:  the most reliable, most secure kind of network is fiber
[16:23] <llutz> hexidigital: good luck with "easy cracking" wpa2
[16:23] <hexidigital> s/network/network\ medium
[16:23] <hexidigital> llutz:  well, ok. not so much 'easy' with wpa2, but still possible
[16:24] <hexidigital> llutz:  most 'home' users don't even lock down their networks, let alone use wpa/wpa2
[16:24] <hydrogen> thankfully!
[16:24] <hydrogen> saves me a lot of money each month
[16:24] <llutz> hexidigital: sure, but it's quite easy to connect/listen to a wired network too, if wires are accessable in public areas
[16:24] <llutz> hexidigital: those are idiots
[16:24]  * hexidigital agrees
[16:24] <BluesKaj> JuJuBee, in my experience Hardy has better support for ATI cards than previous drivers ...I have an elcheapo X200G onboard and the restricted driver does 3D and DRI , after installing the driver at the prompt after the first bootup
[16:25] <man05> Will start backing up.. (But i will also try to downgrade after the backup (so i can lose some more time away from my university) :D
[16:28] <JuJuBee> BluesKaj : thanks for the info.
[16:29] <JuJuBee> I am nearing the end of school and will upgrade *after* all students are gone and grades are done... ;)
[16:29] <BluesKaj> hope it works for you JuJuBee..gonna try the restricted driver?
[16:29] <JuJuBee> Not sure.  Try without first.
[16:37] <atle> BluesKaj: was it you who suggested to reinstall systemsettings?
[16:40] <BluesKaj> atle, not me
[16:40] <atle> ok..
[16:40] <JoshOvki> hey BlueKaj
[16:40] <atle> i'll try it anyways ;)
[16:41] <BluesKaj> atle, I've never heard of that
[16:41] <eht> Anyone knows about Hardy for PS3 ?
[16:41] <atle> heard of what? systemsettings?
[16:42] <eht> Does ot exist ?
[16:43] <DreadKnight> !mencoder
[16:43] <atle> seems like i have this bug, only in 8.04, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-systemsettings/+bug/114286
[16:52] <alanx> what's up people!
[16:52] <alanx> here it's so quiet?
[16:53] <genii> alanx: Quiet can be good :)
[16:53] <atle> hmm.. then it works..
[16:53] <alanx> I think is boring
[16:55] <Signil> shuld I make any backups be4 upgrading to kde4? I am on feisty
[16:55] <JoshOvki> Signil: nah, from kde3 to 4 shouldnt be a problem because its essentialy a program
[16:56] <JoshOvki> upgrading from feisty to hardy you should backup (at a later date i guess that will be)
[16:56] <Signil> ok
[16:59] <lmg> salut à tous
[16:59] <lmg> je suis en train d'effectuer la mise à jour de gusty vers hardy
[16:59] <lmg> cependant, une fenetre s'est affichée à propos de la configuration de gproftpd
[17:00] <jussio1> !fr | lmg
[17:00] <lmg> par erreur, j'ai cliqué sur lancer un shell pour examiner la situation
[17:00] <lmg> oops sorry ^^
[17:00] <jussio1> :)
[17:00] <lmg> so... good bye ;)
[17:02] <hexidigital> anyone know off hand if Kmail caches IMAP mail headers automagically?  (I have lots of GMail, and some folders take forever initially)
[17:03] <RurouniJones> Hmm, I have a strange US keyboard layout here. I think it is US intl but everytime i use the ´ or ¨ keys I have to press them twice to get them to make quotes or double quotes. If I hit once then a letter I get strange stuff like á
[17:04] <RurouniJones> Anyone know how to make it a bog standard english keyboard again?
[17:04] <JoshOvki> system settings  > reginol & languages > keyboard layout
[17:05] <RurouniJones> yeeess.....then waht?
[17:05] <JoshOvki> (sorry about the bad spelling)
[17:05] <JoshOvki> Enable Keyboard Layout
[17:05] <RurouniJones> I have tried every variation of the US keyboard layout and nothing appears to work
[17:05] <JoshOvki> RurouniJones: you going to US or UK keyboard?
[17:05] <RurouniJones> US
[17:06] <JoshOvki> i only have one US  type showing here
[17:06] <RurouniJones> Thee is a layout variants box
[17:07] <RurouniJones> Aha. got it!
[17:07] <JoshOvki> Default ?
[17:07] <RurouniJones> Basica variant with a 105key intl keyboard setting
[17:07] <JoshOvki> ah kk :)
[17:08] <RurouniJones> it was 104 before. I never messed with those
[17:08] <RurouniJones> "Oh my sweet glorious standard 'quotes' and doublequotes"
[17:08] <JoshOvki> lol
[17:08] <genii> RurouniJones: Please pastebin the result of command:   locale
[17:10] <RurouniJones> genii: Sorted it now, but everything is en_GB for curiosities sake
[17:10] <RurouniJones> en_GB.UTF8 to be specific
[17:11] <RurouniJones> I am a Brit living in Japan with an American keyboard layout...
[17:11] <genii> OK
[17:11] <JoshOvki> lol
[17:11] <nosrednaekim> I think that could only be more complicated if you were living in Aus ;)
[17:12] <RurouniJones> hehe
[17:13]  * RurouniJones goes back to posting "It is spelt 'honoUr' you heathens!" on forums with normal quotes now
[17:14] <nosrednaekim> well well.... thats a colOrful occupation
[17:20] <cheese_> is anyone here
[17:20] <nosrednaekim> yes
[17:21] <cheese_> have you update or install kubuntu8.04？
[17:21] <nosrednaekim> yes
[17:21] <nosrednaekim> updated
[17:22] <cheese_> kde3 or 4
[17:22] <nosrednaekim> both
[17:22] <nosrednaekim> though I mostly use 4
[17:24] <alanx> ok, guys I am off, be good
[17:24] <wesley> How is the kernel file most times called ?
[17:25] <llutz> wesley: the file? vmlinuz
[17:25] <wesley> okay thats
[17:26] <tarek_> hi poeeps
[17:26] <tarek_> peeps
[17:26] <nosrednaekim> hello tarek_
[17:27] <tarek_> i have downloaded the official nvidia drivers from nvidia.com and installed it correctly
[17:27] <sparr__> the upgrade to firefox 3 is somewhat annoying because my most important addon does not work there yet
[17:28] <nosrednaekim> tarek_: why? they are in the repositories
[17:28] <tarek_> the problem is that when i configure the settings to 1024x21280 it only keeps the settings till i restart the system and it is back to its default resolution
[17:28] <tarek_> problem is that i have an onboard graficcard
[17:28] <tarek_> and i have to compile everything
[17:29] <tarek_> and it worked on my other machine well
[17:29] <tarek_> but on this one it doesnt
[17:29] <tarek_> nosrednaekim: maybe you can tell me what is wrong
[17:29] <nosrednaekim> sparr__: did you put "Driver   'nvidia'" in your xorg.conf?
[17:30] <sparr__> tarek_: ^^
[17:30] <tarek_> sparr: what is so funny?
[17:30] <nosrednaekim> yeah.. :P
[17:30] <nosrednaekim> sparr__: try installing firefox-2
[17:30] <sparr__> tarek_: that wasnt a smiley, it was two up-arrows
[17:31] <sparr__> thanks nosrednaekim
[17:31] <tarek_> anyway what is the solution
[17:32] <nosrednaekim> tarek_: did you put "Driver 'nvidia'" in your xorg.conf?
[17:33] <tarek_> it is there
[17:33] <sparr__> can someone explain the dichotomy between kde4 and firefox3 in terms of inclusion in 8.04?
[17:33] <nosrednaekim> ok.. tarek_, then get the nvidia-settings package
[17:33] <nosrednaekim> sparr__: well, they are completel;y different reasons
[17:33] <tarek_> rgr
[17:33] <nosrednaekim> actually, opposite :P
[17:34] <sparr__> why?  both are in beta stages, both will be mature soon and supported throughout the LTS period
[17:34] <nosrednaekim> sparr__: the greatest problem people had with dapper was firefox being too old (1.5) so they put the beta into hardy
[17:35] <nosrednaekim> OTOH, KDE4 was allowed into hardy, and rid Kubuntu of the LTS label
[17:35] <nosrednaekim> (in short)
[17:35] <BluesKaj> sparr__, FF3 is included as the default browser with kubuntu period
[17:36] <sparr__> BluesKaj: hence my question
[17:36] <sparr__> why FF3 and not KDE4?
[17:36] <nosrednaekim> eh? firefox is on the kubuntu liveCD?
[17:36] <BluesKaj> cuz kde4 isn't ready for prime time on some setups
[17:37] <sparr__> neither is firefox 3
[17:37] <nosrednaekim> sparr__: firefox 3 is a small program compared to KDE4 which is a huge change from kde3
[17:37] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, dunno for sure but it's in the Hardy repos
[17:37] <sparr__> nosrednaekim: that is a plausible explanation
[17:37] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: right.
[17:37] <makdaknife> moronic IMHO. it just doesn't make sense to push beta software as part of a distro... when things break it looks bad for the distribution
[17:38] <sloth> any wiki's available to find drivers for a broadcom wifi card?
[17:38] <nosrednaekim> !wireless
[17:38] <sloth> ty
[17:38] <BluesKaj> I upgrade by netinstall and FF3 B5 is the default FF
[17:38] <nosrednaekim> yeah... me too
[17:38] <tarek_> nosrednaekim: done now what? restart kde?
[17:39] <nosrednaekim> tarek_: mess around with the settings in there... that should set the resolution permanantly
[17:40] <sparr__> makdaknife: i disagree
[17:40] <sparr__> people will be installing 8.04 for years
[17:40] <sparr__> and six months from now (presumably), FF3 will be stable
[17:41] <sparr__> id rather have six months of slightly buggy firefox than 2.5 years of outdated firefox
[17:41] <makdaknife> sparr__: sure, but it should be a no-brainer to have the firefox package point to the firefox3 package when it is released
[17:41] <jhutchins_wk> How about twenty years of buggy, outdated firefox?
[17:42] <makdaknife> jhutchins_wk: heh heh
[17:42] <jhutchins_wk> I swear there are bugs in the history functions that I reported on mosaic.
[17:42] <tinel> hi all
[17:42] <sparr__> i have trouble with these arguments mostly because i dislike ubuntu's release system in general
[17:42] <jhutchins_wk> konqueror for me when I can get it.
[17:42] <sparr__> ive got debian unstable in my repos list once again, because i know i can't pull packages from ubuntu+1 for at least a few months
[17:43] <makdaknife> sparr__: microsoft would be taken to task if it released a new version of Windows with a beta version of IE as the default browser
[17:43] <sparr__> makdaknife: firefox is not the default browser in kubuntu
[17:43] <makdaknife> sparr__: but in ubuntu?
[17:43] <sparr__> touche
[17:44] <sparr__> but...  one might contend that pre-SP2, IE 6 was still in beta  :)
[17:44] <tinel> does anyone know how to install kubuntu 7.10 on a usb 4gb key? Thank you all
[17:44] <sparr__> tinel: point the installer at it?
[17:44] <makdaknife> sparr__: heh fair point
[17:44] <tinel> hehe, sure but the system will install gru loader
[17:44] <sparr__> makdaknife: in which case being willing to LABEL it a beta is a plus
[17:44] <tinel> i need to load kubuntu from other pc
[17:45] <dwidmann> tinel: I don't know, but I've an idea that I'm going to try
[17:45] <sparr__> tinel: i believe you need the alternate installer
[17:45] <sparr__> i also believe there are guides for this
[17:45] <tinel> sure but all the ways seem to be really complicated
[17:45] <makdaknife> sparr__: I just feel that for new people trying out the distribution for the first time... its a little bit sad if the browser doesn't work with all of the extensions etc that people expect it to work with
[17:46] <makdaknife> sparr__: anyway... I guess this discussion doesn't really belong in this channel
[17:46] <sparr__> makdaknife: cant be helped, plenty of FF1.5 extensions still dont work with FF2
[17:46] <makdaknife> sparr__: fairy nuff
[17:47] <dwidmann> tinel: if I can force my idea to work it won't be complicated, then again I don't know if it will work or not
[17:47] <tinel> i'm leaving, thanks for the support
[17:48] <tarek_> nosrednaekim: how do i start it?
[17:49] <tarek_> nosrednaekim: how do i start it?
[17:52] <jessica_> how do i restart my sound
[17:53] <nosrednaekim> jessica_: sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
[17:56] <jessica_> thanks
[18:00] <arnaud__> Bonjour
[18:03] <zorglu_> q. im planing to install kubuntu8.04, how stable is it up to now ?
[18:03] <hexidigital> zorglu_:  very stable
[18:04] <zorglu_> ok thanks
[18:05] <sigma_1234> stdin: is kde4.1 alpha 1 going to be packaged for kubuntu ?
[18:05] <spanther> still no sound in kubuntu 8.04 :(
[18:06] <stdin> if dasKreech has anything to do with it
[18:07] <sigma_1234> stdin: what do you mean? and is it any better than 4.0.3?
[18:07] <nosrednaekim> its far better than 4.0.3 in features... instability i'm guessing no :P
[18:07] <sigma_1234> spanther: odd. did you have sound in gutsy?
[18:08] <nosrednaekim> sigma_1234: daskreech is working on packaging (maybe)
[18:08] <spanther> sigma_1234, yep :)
[18:08] <stdin> sigma_1234: it won't be in the kde4 PPA, because it needs Qt4.4 and that's not in Ubuntu, but he's trying to get another PPA for it for those that want some excitement
[18:08] <sigma_1234> i saw a screenshot tour. it said that only the plasma was unstable
[18:08] <spanther> das <-- german title for "things" :)
[18:10] <spanther> sigma_1234, sound hardware is recognized properly but i dont have sound and yes volume bars are up and sound server is enabled :)
[18:11] <sigma_1234> why isnt qt4.4 in ubuntu yet in any case?
[18:11] <stdin> sigma_1234: because it hasn't been released by trolltech yet
[18:11] <sigma_1234> spanther: what card is it?
[18:12] <o0Chris0o> how do I load kdem theme manager?
[18:12] <sigma_1234> stdin: how did kde get it then?
[18:12] <stdin> because they use the snapshots
[18:12] <spanther> sigma_1234, its not a card its inside the northbridge/southbridge chipset onboard :) nvidia MCP65 high definition audio controller
[18:13] <sigma_1234> i see opensuse has 4.1 in their repos
[18:13] <BluesKaj> spanther, make sure the ctrls in alsamixer are unmuted , us ethe M key to do so.
[18:13] <stdin> the RC was only released this month
[18:13] <jpatrick> sigma_1234: intrepid is frozen for toolchain upload
[18:14] <spanther> BluesKaj, what has to stay there? marked green 00 or without green marking ?
[18:15] <guru_> hello
[18:15] <sigma_1234> i also have nvidia. works fine with no config
[18:15] <spanther> sigma_1234, lucky one :(
[18:15] <spanther> my nForce520 makes trouble i think
[18:15] <sigma_1234> jpatrick: toolchain upload?
[18:16] <spanther> oh my god i have sound :D
[18:16] <stdin> sigma_1234: the C library, compiler, etc
[18:16] <sigma_1234> spanther: did it work in gutsy?
[18:16] <spanther> sigma_1234, there were some things still muted after unmuting everything it works now
[18:16] <spanther> sigma_1234, yes it did and it does now since i've unmuted things i couldnt unmute at KDE GUI
[18:18] <spanther> sigma_1234, alsamixer had bars Kmix didnt had so there were things muted i couldnt see without alsamixer hehe
[18:19] <sigma_1234> stdin: i see. is a release schedule of intrepid out? im bored of hardy:) and any chance of kde4 as default in it?
[18:19] <stdin> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule
[18:20] <lmg> Why haven't I KDE4 after upgrading kubuntu to hardy?
[18:20] <sigma_1234> spanther: yeah alsamixer is handy. i wonder if kubuntu will get pulseaudio
[18:20] <spanther> sigma_1234, i never heard about pulseaudio hehe :)
[18:20] <genii> lmg: Because kubuntu works with kde3 or kde4
[18:20] <sigma_1234> its in ubuntu hardy
[18:21] <stdin> sigma_1234: if KDE 4.1 is good enough, then possibly
[18:21] <lmg> ANd how can I have it?
[18:21] <lmg> What must I do?
[18:21] <stdin> to get kde4 install kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[18:21] <spanther> sigma_1234, but preload is nice its similiar to superfetch :X
[18:22] <lmg> stdin: Is this manip working good or is dangerous?
[18:22] <stdin> works fine for me
[18:23] <lmg> Will I have the choice beetween 3 or 4 when loading an user session?
[18:23] <sigma_1234> yes
[18:24] <lmg> Is it long to install kde4?
[18:24] <sigma_1234> its about 100mb
[18:24] <lmg> ok
[18:24] <lmg> thank you
[18:25] <lmg> (and subsidiary question, Is my english good or not? :p)
[18:25] <stdin> your english is fine :)
[18:25] <tete> halo
[18:26] <sigma_1234> grammar is a bit off
[18:26] <spanther> stdin, and mine? :3
[18:26] <tete> im from slovak
[18:26] <stdin> probably better than mine, and I *am* english ;)
[18:26] <spanther> cool xD
[18:27] <tete> what is this
[18:27] <lmg> I am from France so its quit good (to my mind) that I can speak one or to word of English XD
[18:27] <lmg> too*
[18:28] <lmg> euh
[18:28] <sigma_1234> well in that case your english is dam good
[18:28] <lmg> two* :p
[18:28] <spanther> you're fine lmg :)
[18:28] <genii> lmg: Most native english speakers will not bother to use correct "an user" as you did.
[18:29] <marinosi> hello..I 've inserted a live cd with KDE4 of Kubuntu Hardy and the fonts are so huge I can 't go forward with the installation..How can that be fixed
[18:29] <marinosi> ?
[18:30] <lmg> thank you spanther and genii :) I try to install kde4 and come back if it don't work
[18:30] <tete> Are you speaking about Kubuntu???
[18:30] <spanther> koay but be aware that kde4 is beta
[18:30] <tete> and kde
[18:31] <tete> Kopete is GOOD, because i can chating with my friends
[18:32] <stdin> spanther: it's 4.0.3, it's not in beta
[18:33] <nosrednaekim> marinosi: did you try going into system settings and adjusting the size of the fonts
[18:33] <spanther> stdin, but i've heard that they have to fix alot of things
[18:33] <lmg> By the way, should I use aptitude or apt-get?
[18:33] <nosrednaekim> not fix... but add features
[18:33] <marinosi> nosrednaekim: the system is unusable with so huge fonts
[18:33] <tete> Are you have Skype in the Kubuntu, kde
[18:33] <stdin> lmg: both work
[18:33] <nosrednaekim> lmg: use aptitude so you can remove it easily
[18:34] <nosrednaekim> not that you will want to ;)
[18:34] <tete> Because i not
[18:34] <lmg> stdin: I know but what is the best?
[18:34] <stdin> I tend to use aptitude more
[18:34] <lmg> nosrednaekim: ok
[18:34] <stdin> !skype | tete
[18:35] <BluesKaj> spanther, the "00" marking replaces the mute "M" in the ctrl boxes
[18:35] <tete> ubunttu thank you
[18:36] <tete> because i have icq in Kopete, but Skype dont
[18:37] <tete> Je tu dakto zo Slovenska??
[18:38] <stdin> !sk
[18:39] <stdin> I think...
[18:39] <lmg> When I want to install kde4, aptitude offerde a lot of solution to resolve a problem, but I didn't Understood what is it about...
[18:39] <tete> Why
[18:39] <stdin> lmg: what package are you installing?
[18:39] <lmg> Its whit a score like -12, -124...
[18:40] <lmg> kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[18:40] <BluesKaj> !sl
[18:40] <stdin> lmg: can you post the output to pastebin
[18:40] <stdin> !paste
[18:40] <lmg> ok
[18:40] <lmg> wait a minute
[18:40] <tete> ubunttu: you is from slavak
[18:40] <hexidigital> do kubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-kde4-desktop conflict?
[18:41] <stdin> tete: ubottu is a program
[18:41] <stdin> !bot
[18:41] <skreech_> .
[18:41] <lmg> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8985/
[18:41] <BluesKaj> aha slobenis is si
[18:41] <BluesKaj> !si
[18:41] <stdin> hexidigital: no
[18:41] <hexidigital> stdin:  awesome. thanks
[18:41] <hexidigital> (didn't want to find out the hard way)
[18:42] <BluesKaj> !slovenia
[18:42]  * BluesKaj finally realizes the futility of it all
[18:43] <tete> You are have kubuntu
[18:43] <stdin> lmg: can you try "sudo LANG=C aptitude install kubuntu-kde4-desktop"
[18:44] <lmg> ok, but can you telle me what is the aim of LANG=C please?
[18:44] <lmg> telll*
[18:44] <stdin> it makes the command print in English ;)
[18:44] <lmg> ok :D
[18:45] <o0Chris0o> how do I load kde theme manager?
[18:45] <stdin> !changethemes
[18:45] <navetz> hey does anyone here know if using krandtray might be an easy way to get dualscreen working?
[18:46] <lmg> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8986/
[18:47] <o0Chris0o> can't find system >> preferences
[18:47] <stdin> lmg: that's ok, it'll just remove packages you aren't usign
[18:47] <stdin> o0Chris0o: read the kubuntu instructions
[18:48] <leatherdruid> can anyone tell me why I'm getting so much traffic on irqs 12 & 17 ?
[18:48] <hmel> a
[18:48] <lmg> But which of this option should I take?
[18:49] <lmg> those*
[18:49] <o0Chris0o> stdin: I don't see any kubuntu instructions
[18:49] <stdin> o0Chris0o: read the 2nd link
[18:50] <navetz> where can I find krandtray?
[18:50] <navetz> I can't find the repos
[18:50] <lmg> Ok I'll try whith the first one (score of -12)
[18:51] <stdin> lmg: try just with apt-get
[18:51] <stdin> lmg: aptitude can be a bit annoying with dependencies sometimes
[18:52] <lmg> But somebody told me its not easy to remove packages with it?
[18:52] <stdin> removing kde4 is easy anyway
[18:52] <lmg> ok
[18:53] <lmg> so, let's go :)
[18:53] <spanther> scanning for tv   channels now :)
[19:01] <devnet> navetz: can you try apt-cache search krandtray in a konsole?
[19:01] <navetz> devnet: i have never tried apt-cache, let me give it a go thanks.
[19:02] <J> Hi, I've got an ACER Aspire 2020 that's having some problems with 8.10 (KDE 3) that's been upgraded to from 7.10.  Log out and shutdown don't work, it just hangs (well, for at least 15 mins which is as long as I left it).  I've tried acpi=force and reboot=b neither helped.  This wasn't an issue under 7.10.  Help?
[19:02] <navetz> devnet: nope nothing
[19:02] <devnet> so it's most likely not in any repository you are currently updating from
[19:03] <navetz> devnet: yea I am trying to find the repo, but I cant find it yet
[19:03] <devnet> navetz: you using KDE 4.x?
[19:04] <squid0> hello. I'm trying to install kubuntu-kde4 from a CD using apt, but it keeps trying to download the packages from the internet, which is problematic for me
[19:04] <squid0> how do I go about this?
[19:04] <navetz> devnet: nope
[19:04] <navetz> devnet: 3,5
[19:04] <devnet> squid0: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list to include only the CD, not an internet repository
[19:07] <navetz> devnet: I think it might not be avaliable in any ubuntu repositories
[19:07] <squid0> devnet: ok thanks
[19:07] <devnet> navetz: everything I'm seeing says it has been integrated inside kde
[19:07] <stdin> squid0: you can only do that from the alternate CD
[19:07] <squid0> stdin: oh drat
[19:07] <squid0> adept keeps crashing :(
[19:08] <navetz> devnet: Kubuntu's version of kde is different isnt it?
[19:08] <stdin> did you edit your sources.list before it crashed?
[19:08] <devnet> navetz: yes
[19:08] <spanther> i cant watch dvb-t after scanning for channels and having all i wanted to play them but now theres a problem "no module found to handle this source (/home/sven/.kaxtv.ts)
[19:08] <llutz> how does swsusp count partitions? it tries to resume from "8:5", it should use /dev/sda5
[19:08] <squid0> stdin: i'm not sure
[19:09] <devnet> squid0: hit alt-f2, type kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list, make changes, save, close
[19:09] <squid0> how do I install pulse audio? I thought it was installed by default?
[19:09] <stdin> only change it if you know what you're doing, as adept won't start if it's wrong
[19:09] <devnet> navetz: I'm finding that it is part of kcontrol
[19:09] <squid0> devnet: ok, but will that allow me to install packages from the kde remix cd?
[19:10] <spanther> i install kubuntu-restricted-extras now :)
[19:10] <devnet> squid0: not sure :/  I haven't used kubuntu in years now
[19:10]  * devnet used to be heavy debian though
[19:10] <squid0> devnet: you serious? so how come you hang out on this channel? :)
[19:10] <devnet> I'm helping navetz
[19:10] <devnet> he was on #kde
[19:10] <devnet> I came over since no one was answering him
[19:11] <squid0> oh that's nice
[19:11] <devnet> I just try to help...I love linux...no specific flavor
[19:11] <o0Chris0o> I am wondering if someone can help me install this theme called Azenis, I need other appz to do it, but if you can help me. I'll appreciate it, the theme is on kde-look, doesn't give any directions :(
[19:11] <devnet> navetz: I can't find a single resource for installing krandtray...supposedly it's already in KDE 3.5.9 somewhere..
[19:12] <devnet> navetz: you might try looking for it using locate (via konsole)
[19:12] <squid0> devnet: when I comment out all but the CD entry in sources.list, and do sudo apt-get update, I see output that says it's ignoring the CD repo
[19:13] <devnet> squid0: strange...is the CD mounted?
[19:13] <stdin> krandrtray is in kcontrol (KDE3) or kdebase-workspace-bin (KDE4)
[19:13] <squid0> devnet: no
[19:13] <bipolar> $ dpkg -S `which krandrtray`
[19:13] <bipolar> kcontrol: /usr/bin/krandrtray
[19:13] <bipolar> devnet: ^^
[19:13] <devnet> nod
[19:14] <devnet> <---no using kubuntu ":D
[19:14] <bipolar> ahh
[19:14] <spanther> ubuntu archive is slow as hell is this normal? ^^
[19:14] <devnet> for me it's 'conary q krandtray --path'
[19:14] <devnet> navetz: have fun :)  Glad we found the answer :D
[19:14]  * devnet greets the channel
[19:19] <squid0> hmm :( I remove all repos in adept, then add the kubuntu remix CD. then reload. but still, kubuntu-kde4-desktop does not show :(
[19:20] <squid0> sudo apt-get update gets: Ign cdrom://Kubuntu-KDE4 8.04 _Hardy Heron_ - Release i386 (20080423) hardy/main Translation-en_ZA
[19:21] <squid0> stdin: are you sure that this is only possible with the alternate CD?
[19:25] <kreib> whats annyoing is that shift tab doesnt tab backwards in app selection
[19:25] <lmg> stdin: I am back and the installation doesn't work
[19:25] <stdin> squid0: yes
[19:26] <lmg> It had made the connection not working
[19:26] <lmg> internet
[19:26] <lmg> it put internet off and I don't know why
[19:26] <stdin> lmg: try another mirror
[19:27] <lmg> But I am not sure it was the problem, because I was not here
[19:28] <lmg> I try again and if it do it again, I will ask you kow ot change mirror :)
[19:28] <lmg> how*
[19:30] <navetz> devnet: hey thanks, I had to help my dad so I was gone, and now I have to go again. Thanks
[19:33] <RurouniJones> So I have SKIM installed, what do I need to do to allow it to switch to Japanese input?
[19:33] <RurouniJones> For some reason if I add Japanese as a system language some app menus (Amarok I'm looking at you) go half japanese
[19:34] <RurouniJones> even if the system default is English
[19:35] <lmg> stdin: It doesn't work at all
[19:35] <lmg> what must I do?
[19:37] <at0mix> how would i get restricted drivers to show up? all was fine on 7.10 upgraded to 8.04 and nothing shows.
[19:39] <nosrednaekim> at0mix: new one doesn't seem to be working as well at detecting things... what hardware do you have that needs to be configured>
[19:40] <o0Chris0o> at0mix: try kmenu >> System >> Hardware Drivers Manager
[19:40] <at0mix> i have been through the most obvious things, driver manager and system settings
[19:40] <at0mix> system settings does not have restricted driver tab
[19:41] <at0mix> nvidia geforce video card is what i would like to have working
[19:41] <o0Chris0o> what card you got?
[19:41] <at0mix> i was using compiz in 7.10
[19:41] <at0mix> geforce4
[19:41] <o0Chris0o> I have nVidia 8600 GT
[19:41] <o0Chris0o> oic
[19:42] <o0Chris0o> have you tried looking on nVidia's website? they might have driver there for linux
[19:42] <nosrednaekim> at0mix: install the nvidia-glx package
[19:43] <at0mix> i have installed restricted drivers, but i have no way to enable them?
[19:44] <fedenka> hi there guyz
[19:44] <fedenka> i have one problem with sound
[19:44] <fedenka> kubuntu 8.04
[19:44] <fedenka> snd_hda_intel
[19:44] <fedenka> modprobe snd_hda_intel - error
[19:45] <fedenka> cant found module
[19:45] <nosrednaekim> and that problem is?
[19:45] <nosrednaekim> at0mix: edit your xorg.conf... its quite simple
[19:45] <fedenka> it s not workin at all
[19:45] <fedenka> )
[19:45] <elTigre> help! since the last boot I can't play any sound
[19:46] <elTigre> and at least KMix doesn't show anything muted....
[19:46] <J> Hi, I've got an ACER Aspire 2020 that's having some problems with 8.10 (KDE 3) that's been upgraded to from 7.10.  Log out and shutdown don't work, it just hangs (well, for at least 15 mins which is as long as I left it).  I've tried acpi=force and reboot=b neither helped.  This wasn't an issue under 7.10.  Help?
[19:46] <fedenka> +1024 same problem with sound
[19:46] <fedenka> to eltigra
[19:46] <fedenka> )
[19:46] <RurouniJones> hrruuuaagh, now my system is stuck in half-japanese despite the fact I removed it from the languages and even uninstalled the freaking language pack
[19:46] <fedenka> no mixers in kmix
[19:46] <zorglu_> q. how fact are the .deb server currently ? still redhot ?
[19:47] <nosrednaekim> J: thats got an ATI, no?
[19:47] <J> nosrednaekim: think so, just a sec...
[19:47] <nosrednaekim> zorglu_: US severs are pretty fast now
[19:47] <fedenka> nosrednaekim, so can you help m?
[19:47] <zorglu_> nosrednaekim: ok thanks
[19:48] <J> nosrednaekim: VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10]
[19:48] <o0Chris0o> !patience
[19:48] <nosrednaekim> J: and you installed the ATI restricted driver?
[19:48] <soon> Hi folks - just ran the update from 7.10 to 8.04. Worked fine, but when I enable the nvidia driver it hangs at boot (rc.local something or other). If I revert to driver "nv" in xorg.conf - it works again ---- any ideas??
[19:48] <elTigre> fedenka: did you get any answer here, yet?
[19:48] <nosrednaekim> soon: did you install an nvidia driver manually, or with envy in 7.10?
[19:49] <J> nosrednaekim: is that in the kubuntu-restricted-extras package?
[19:49] <nosrednaekim> elTigre: did you just install a new kernel?
[19:49] <fedenka> no((
[19:49] <fedenka> oh
[19:49] <fedenka> 2 hours minus
[19:49] <fedenka> )
[19:49] <elTigre> nosrednaekim: not conciously
[19:49] <nosrednaekim> J: no... its the xorg-driver-fglrx .... check if thats installed
[19:49] <elTigre> I might have
[19:49] <fedenka> but, you right
[19:49] <fedenka> hey there some one have trouble with ati?
[19:49] <fedenka> i can help
[19:49] <fedenka> )
[19:49] <nosrednaekim> elTigre:  do you have more than two kernels in your grub boot loader?
[19:50] <elTigre> yes
[19:50] <fedenka> one kernel
[19:50] <fedenka> )
[19:50] <zorglu_> installing thru virtualbox :) this virtual thing is really nice :)
[19:50] <nosrednaekim> elTigre: try booting the old one
[19:50] <fedenka> apt-get install fglrx - sucks
[19:50] <elTigre> hm, don't know... I always used this one
[19:50] <J> nosrednaekim: installed and latest
[19:50] <fedenka> it easier to install it by hands
[19:50] <soon> nosrednaekim - i dont remember - probably not manually, but dont know
[19:50] <nosrednaekim> J: ok, then let me find that bug... you need to edit a config file by hand... not hard, and it should fix your problem
[19:51] <elTigre> well, then... I think I have to try that.... I will report back if that won't work...
[19:51] <J> nosrednaekim: thanks - I've been searching launchpad but... sigh :)
[19:51] <fedenka> nosrednaekim
[19:51] <fedenka> can you help me?
[19:51] <nosrednaekim> J: here ya go https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/+bug/118605/
[19:52] <J> nosrednaekim: many thanks.
[19:52] <zorglu_> !ask | fedenka
[19:52] <nosrednaekim> fedenka: I don't know...i'm not too good with sound issues. fedenkawas it working beforein 8.04?
[19:52] <zorglu_> well not that suitable but close :)
[19:52] <J> nosrednaekim: most appreciated :)  Saves me reinstalling all!
[19:52] <fedenka> yes it works with 7 10
[19:53] <nosrednaekim> fedenka: but when you upgraded, it stopped (or are you still on 7.10)
[19:53] <fedenka> 8 04
[19:53] <fedenka> yes
[19:53] <fedenka> exactly
[19:53] <fedenka> but last time i installed 8 04 everything works great
[19:54] <fedenka> (i installed 8 04, then formatted hdd, and after again install 8 04)
[19:54] <nosrednaekim> fedenka: thats weird.
[19:54] <RurouniJones> Has anyone else noticed a bug whereby if you install the Japanese language pack and DONT have US english added as a language (for example you only have british english added) Then half the system goes Japanese?
[19:54] <fedenka> yes
[19:54] <sparr__> since upgrading to hardy, my audio volume is much lower.  ive maxxed every control in alsamixer and it is still much lower than it used to be.  what can i try next?
[19:54] <nosrednaekim> !sound
[19:55] <sparr__> nosrednaekim: those seem less than relevant
[19:55] <fedenka> rurounijones, search in adept manager, keyword is kde
[19:56] <nosrednaekim> sparr__: right click on kmix and make sure all the channels are enabled
[19:56] <nosrednaekim> on the kmix window itself
[19:58] <sparr__> nosrednaekim: im not using kmix
[19:58] <elTigre> nosrednaekim: didn't work...
[19:59] <elTigre> still no sound
[19:59] <nosrednaekim> sparr__: what are you using?
[20:00] <nosrednaekim> elTigre: ok.... then try this K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System->hardware->driver->Advanced Linux Sound Architecture
[20:00] <Ketrel> I'm having a major problem with connecting to wifi.  When I try to connec it get to 57% "Activation stage: IP configuration started"
[20:01] <nosrednaekim> err... not driver.... "device"
[20:01] <Ketrel> If I spam ifconfig, I find that I sometimes will get an IP, but either way, it then fails.
[20:01] <sparr__> nosrednaekim: alsamixer
[20:01] <sparr__> nosrednaekim: and all playback channels are enabled, unmuted, and at max volume
[20:01] <nosrednaekim> Ketrel: sounds like typical knetworkmanager non-sense... does this AP have encryption?
[20:02] <elTigre> nosrednaekim: sorry, I have kde4
[20:02] <nosrednaekim> sparr__: ok.... I know nothing about sound,.... you could go to #alsa
[20:02] <Ketrel> nosrednaekim, this particular one does not.
[20:02] <J> nosrednaekim: patched.  Rebooting - I'll let you know if it worked soon.
[20:02] <nosrednaekim> elTigre: ah ok :)
[20:02] <Riddell> ken's artwork talk on now in #ubuntu-classroom
[20:02] <nosrednaekim> Ketrel: ok,lets do some command line stuff then
[20:02] <_sourcemaker> how can I open a VPN connection in virtualbox windows XP... using NAT? I receive the message that the server is not available... but it is?
[20:02] <elTigre> I haven't yet found where to select alsa
[20:03] <Ketrel> nosrednaekim are you going to direct me (I'm not familiar with any networking via cli)
[20:03] <nosrednaekim> elTigre: yah.. its not in kde4, sorry... let me check something
[20:03] <nosrednaekim> Ketrel: yeah.. get the name of the ESSID (the network name)
[20:03] <Ketrel> I got that (if you want to know it's @kun3t )
[20:03] <elTigre> in the backend's tab I have "Audiodevices" but nothing is listed there
[20:05] <nosrednaekim> Ketrel:  now, from running "iwconfig" find the logical name of your network device (should be eth1, wlan0 or ath0)
[20:05] <Ketrel> I know that much already, it's eth1
[20:05] <Ketrel> eth0 is my wired, eth1 is wifi
[20:05] <elTigre> hm now I have sound
[20:05] <elTigre> strange...
[20:05] <elTigre>  ^ ^
[20:06] <nosrednaekim> elTigre: XD
[20:06] <nosrednaekim> Ketrel: ok... now run this command "sudo iwconfig eth1 ESSID @kun3t"
[20:07] <at0mix> installed nvidia-glx but still not working
[20:07] <nosrednaekim> at0mix: and modified your xorg.conf?
[20:07] <at0mix> not sure what to change there
[20:08] <Ketrel> nosrednaekim, doing so now (but for the record, if it had a wep key, how would I include that?)
[20:08] <nosrednaekim> at0mix: ok, under the "Device".... put the line "Driver     "nvidia""
[20:08] <at0mix> ok, will give that a shot!
[20:08] <nosrednaekim> Ketrel: add "-key theverylongandsecurekeyhere"
[20:09] <Ketrel> nosrednaekim and I ran that command, it seems to have just run and done nothing else (no output)
[20:09] <DaemonLee> Question: What's the benefit between picking the AMD64 ISO and the i386? I have a AMD Turion x2 system here.
[20:10] <nosrednaekim> Ketrel: thats fine.... not run "sudo dhclient eth1"
[20:10] <nosrednaekim> *now
[20:10] <nosrednaekim> DaemonLee: how much ram do you have?
[20:10] <DaemonLee> 2gb
[20:11] <zorglu_> the 8.04 logout popup is still bugged :)
[20:11] <J> nosrednaekim: that worked.  If you are ever in Nottingham (UK) I owe you a pint of your choice.
[20:11] <Ketrel> 4 lines of "DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67 interval" 7, 14, and 10
[20:11] <J> nosrednaekim: thanks
[20:11] <Ketrel> then "No DHCPOFFERS recieved"
[20:11] <nosrednaekim> ok, then i'd go for the i386.... 64 is only really useful for systems with over 3.5GB of ram
[20:11] <nosrednaekim> J: give it to Robin Hood ;)
[20:12] <J> nosrednaekim: na, he's long dead - wouldn't appreciate it!
[20:12] <nosrednaekim> Ketrel: ok, was this working before, and what chipset is it?
[20:12] <nosrednaekim> J: then dump it on the Sheriff :P
[20:12] <Ketrel> It worked this morning, and it's an intel chipset.
[20:12] <DaemonLee> nosrednaekim: You know where I can find a Torrent link for Kubuntu?
[20:12] <RurouniJones> Has anyone got a link to setting up SKIM for Japanese input on either Feisty, Gutsy or Hardy that they have personally had success with?
[20:12] <J> nosrednaekim: lol - but seriously - this was hard to find.  And the help much appreciated :)
[20:12] <nosrednaekim> DaemonLee: yes... off the download link in the topic
[20:13] <nosrednaekim> Ketrel: could be your router than..... could you restart it?
[20:13] <nosrednaekim> J: you are welcome... I love the guy who made that fix too (certainly wasn't me!)
[20:13] <Ketrel> This particular one is my schools, I've had it happen with my home one, and it's never helped to restart it
[20:14] <nosrednaekim> how did you fix it that time?
[20:15] <at0mix> changed xorg.conf, no luck, black screen
[20:15] <Ketrel> with about 50 reboots, it finally started working (all the while my 3 windows laptops would happily connect and disconnect)
[20:16] <nosrednaekim> at0mix: black screen?
[20:16] <nosrednaekim> at0mix: go into recovery mode...
[20:16] <at0mix> yup, xserver would not start
[20:16] <at0mix> i did
[20:16] <Ketrel> Also, I should mention that I never had this problem in gutsy :\
[20:16] <nosrednaekim> at0mix: edit that line back out?
[20:17] <at0mix> i did, i have x running again
[20:17] <at0mix> i had all this working fine under gutsy
[20:18] <nosrednaekim> alrighty...... can you pastebin your xorg.conf WITH the change that you made?
[20:18] <nosrednaekim> (before you erased it)
[20:19] <at0mix> i can try
[20:23] <lmg> Hi
[20:24] <lmg> I am trying to run kde4 on kubuntu hardy
[20:24] <lmg> And it didn't really work...
[20:24] <nosrednaekim> lmg: what didn't work?
[20:24] <lmg> using sudo aptitude install kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[20:24] <at0mix> it does want me to paste?
[20:24] <nosrednaekim> !pastebin
[20:24] <lmg> it install it and change nothing
[20:25] <at0mix> ah, ok
[20:25] <nosrednaekim> lmg: it will now be an option on the login screen... there is a button that you can use to select which DE you want ot use
[20:25] <felipe__> Sorry can anybody help me to configure my ATI Xpress 200 ? I have Kubuntu Hardy heron ...
[20:25] <lmg> no no there is no option
[20:27] <nosrednaekim> lmg: did you click the button?
[20:27] <nosrednaekim> felipe__: sure... whats wrong with it?
[20:27] <lmg> yes I did
[20:27] <lmg> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9005/
[20:27] <felipe__> nosrednaekim: I don`t know to do it...
[20:28] <felipe__> I`m noob in this Linux World
[20:28] <nosrednaekim> felipe__: so you want to install the driver>
[20:28] <at0mix>  ok, here it is http://pastebin.com/de5f035e
[20:28] <felipe__> yes i want to install the driver for the ATI Xpress 200
[20:29] <lmg> nosrednaekim: is there any problem?
[20:29] <nosrednaekim> lmg: ooo, not good. run "sudo apt-get update" and the try installing it again
[20:29] <lmg> ok
[20:29] <lmg> not aptitude?
[20:29] <lmg> apt-get?
[20:30] <felipe__> nosrednaekim: yes i want to install the driver for the ATI Xpress 200
[20:30] <lmg> Is apt-get better than aptitude?
[20:30] <nosrednaekim> lmg: it doesn't matter :P
[20:30] <BluesKaj> felipe_, nosrednaekim , the driver should be an option that pops up after the hardy install reboot , it'll show up in the panel  like a circuit board icon
[20:30] <lmg> ok
[20:30] <pteague> anybody have any idea why i'm getting 2 popups when i insert a cd or dvd?
[20:30] <Ketrel> so is there anything else I can try?
[20:30] <Kr|ptiX> i updated to 8.04 an my sound isnt work
[20:30] <Kr|ptiX> workn*
[20:31] <felipe__> BluesKaj: i can see it
[20:31] <felipe__> :)
[20:31] <felipe__> But show me "Not in use"
[20:31] <BluesKaj> felipe_ click on it and follow the instructions
[20:31] <nosrednaekim> felipe__: then enter admin mode and enable it
[20:31] <felipe__> ok BluesKaj
[20:31] <Kr|ptiX> !sound
[20:31] <felipe__> Tell me ...
[20:32] <BluesKaj> yes felipe_ do as nosrednaekim says
[20:32] <nosrednaekim> at0mix: seems ok..., I don't know
[20:32] <felipe__> nosrednaekim: Where ?
[20:33] <at0mix> thanks for your help !! <nosrednaekim>
[20:33] <nosrednaekim> felipe__ in that driver manager
[20:33] <nosrednaekim> at0mix: meh... didn't do anything.. its not fixed
[20:33] <felipe__> ok nosrednaekim i can see
[20:33] <felipe__> :D
[20:33] <BluesKaj> felipe_ there will be a box saying "Administrator Mode"
[20:34] <pteague> any idea which logger i should keep active? klogd or sysklogd?
[20:34] <fenix> hola
[20:35] <nosrednaekim> helloo fenix
[20:36] <fenix> nosrednaekim: do u know how can i auto mount usb disck _
[20:36] <nosrednaekim> fenix: should happen automagically
[20:36] <nosrednaekim> !automount
[20:37] <felipe__> nosrednaekim: i´m installing the driver
[20:37] <nosrednaekim> fenix: if not... it may not be detected properly, check what dmesg says aftr plugging it in
[20:37] <nosrednaekim> felipe__: reboot
[20:37] <fenix> ok tnks nosrednaekim
[20:37] <felipe__> ok nosrednaekim
[20:39] <Ketrel> nosrednaekim, any other things you can think of for me to try?
[20:39] <nosrednaekim> Ketrel: try turning off your laptop, and pulling the battery out
[20:39] <nosrednaekim> and AC adapter of course
[20:40] <NoiseKiller> why is my fonts like 5pt instead of ordinary 10 or 12? my eyes.... 8-)
[20:40] <nosrednaekim> NoiseKiller: adjust them :)
[20:40] <felipe__> nosrednaekim: i`m back
[20:41] <nosrednaekim> felipe__: did that work?
[20:41] <felipe__> yes i have video
[20:41] <Ketrel> nosrednaekim: made no difference :(
[20:41] <felipe__> but i can`t see the configuration panel for my ATI video card
[20:41] <NoiseKiller> nosrednaekim. how adjust?
[20:41] <nosrednaekim> Ketrel: keep the batter out for like 5 minutes
[20:41] <blkhtbrigade> I'm having trouble rebuilding a module.   I've got the module all ready to make, but when I run make it only outputs the .o and not the .ko.  modpost is showing but doesn't seem to want to convert to .ko =/   any ideas?
[20:41] <felipe__> nosrednaekim:  but i can`t see the configuration panel for my ATI video card
[20:42] <nosrednaekim> NoiseKiller: systemsettings->appearance->fonts
[20:42] <NoiseKiller> nosrednaekim: it came with compiz. :)
[20:42] <nosrednaekim> !find fglrx
[20:42] <nosrednaekim> felipe__: grab the "fglrx-control" package
[20:42] <felipe__> ok
[20:43] <NoiseKiller> nosrednaekim. worked... but wde crasched. :)
[20:43] <felipe__> nosrednaekim: installing ...
[20:43] <nosrednaekim> wde?
[20:45] <BluesKaj> dunno whay he wants the ATI control Panel ...it does do much except screw things up IME
[20:45] <BluesKaj> doesn't
[20:45] <LamerMan> guys, is img file just a raw data from floppy or has it some other specific format? Will i get img by "cat /dev/fd0"?
[20:45] <pteague> ok, i think i know why i'm getting 2 popups when i insert a movie dvd or a blank cd, etc...  the other day i updated the gnome packages & it's apparently reset a bunch of defaults including re-adding gdm to the startup services (how you start both kdm & gdm without giving a different screen i don't know)
[20:46] <BluesKaj> *.img is a type of iso image file
[20:46] <LamerMan> BluesKaj so it's not just raw data from the disk, right?
[20:48] <BluesKaj> LamerMan, dunno for sure
[20:48] <xenol> hello, can anyone help me with how to unrar one rar, which is splited into few rars?
[20:48] <SlimeyPete> just unrar the first rar
[20:49] <SlimeyPete> the rest should be picked up automatically
[20:49] <nixternal> #ubuntu-classroom - Ubuntu Open Week is going on right now, and in roughly 10 minutes, I will be presenting KDE 4! Come one, come all!
[20:49] <squid0>  hi. just installed hardy, and pulseaudio wasn't installed. I just installed the packages via synaptic, but I'm not sure how to set it up. Can someone help please?
[20:50] <xenol> SlimeyPete: also forgot to tell its with password, but ark cant open it :>
[20:50] <nosrednaekim> squid0: this is the kubuntu channel, for GNOMe/ubuntu/Pulse go to #ubuntu
[20:50] <BluesKaj> nixternal, I'm there
[20:50] <nixternal> rock on!
[20:51] <squid0> nosrednaekim: isn't pulseaudio in kubuntu?
[20:51] <SlimeyPete> xenol: not sure about passwords, sorry
[20:51] <nosrednaekim> squid0: no
[20:51] <__sourcemaker> how can I install vmware server on kubuntu hardy... it does not work!
[20:51] <__sourcemaker> there seems a kernel problem...
[20:51] <squid0> nosrednaekim: ah. any way of installing it in kubuntu?
[20:51] <nosrednaekim> squid0: why would you want to?
[20:52] <squid0> nosrednaekim: I work with music recording and jack, and I'd like to route all sound through pulse. and it sounds pretty cool, I'd like to try it out
[20:52] <__sourcemaker> as fallback of vmware server... I try virtualbox now... but I can't open windows vpn connection...
[20:52] <xenol> SlimeyPete: password aint my problem, problem is ark says error occured in rar
[20:53] <nosrednaekim> squid0: ok... yes you can I guess, just don't know how to do ti. :P
[20:53] <at0mix> nosrednaekim: x says it cant load glx? no compatiable nvidia driver found. I installed the nvidia-glx pkg any thoughts?
[20:53] <SlimeyPete> xenol: use unrar from a terminal?
[20:53] <squid0> nosrednaekim: ah :)
[20:53] <nosrednaekim> at0mix: what card di you say you had? geforce4
[20:53] <nosrednaekim> ?
[20:53] <at0mix> ark wont do passowrds, go to terminal and rar x blah.rar
[20:54] <at0mix> yest geforce4
[20:54] <nosrednaekim> at0mix: ok, then that apckage should work... I don't know why it isn't
[20:54] <at0mix> oops , yes geforce 4
[20:54] <xenol> SlimeyPete: gives me only list of avaliable prefixes and do nothing
[20:54] <nosrednaekim> sorry :(
[20:54] <at0mix> hmm, thanks again
[20:55] <yotuto> hola amigos
[20:55] <genii> Any way to get knetworkmanager to show for instance if I'm I'm using 802.11a,b,g or n ?
[20:57] <genii> I know right-click and hover on current active shows it, can it be made to show it on regular hover of the icon in the tray?
[20:57] <nosrednaekim> genii: if you hack the code..i'm sure:P
[20:57] <felipe__> nosrednaekim:
[20:58] <felipe__> fglrx-control installed :D
[20:58] <nosrednaekim> BRB
[20:58] <genii> nosrednaekim: Thats what I suspected.... thanks
[20:58]  * nosrednaekim hugs his iwconfig
[20:59] <felipe__> nosrednaekim: i got a 311 FPS in a fgl_glxgears
[21:01] <Riddell> KDE 4 talk in #ubuntu-classroom in a minute!
[21:01] <Ubter> hi, can anyone help me?
[21:01] <Ubter> I am fairly new to ubuntu
[21:01] <Ubter> coming from Fedora
[21:01] <BluesKaj> Ubter , just ask :)
[21:02] <Ubter> I want to use alien to convert an rpm for a 32 bit program, but I am using a 64 bit Kubuntu and it is failing with an error
[21:02] <nosrednaekim> felipe__: thats ok I guess :)
[21:02] <nosrednaekim> Ubter: what program?
[21:02] <Ubter> amd64' does not appear in package's architecture list (i386)
[21:02] <Ubter> maya
[21:02] <felipe__> nosrednaekim: Thanks  man :D
[21:02] <arjuna> algun canal en español para kubuntu?
[21:02] <Ubter> It is a 3d software package
[21:03] <felipe__> arjuna: kubuntu-es
[21:03] <Ubter> I already have it runing in fedora
[21:03] <felipe__> :D
[21:03] <felipe__> #kubuntu-es
[21:03] <__sourcemaker> why are there so many problems in the current hardy relase?
[21:03] <arjuna> gracias felipe
[21:04] <Ubter> actually I am having trouble installing 32 bit software all together on this
[21:04] <Ubter> I couldn't install Opera either
[21:04] <__sourcemaker> I have a lot of problems with hardy... it's a fresh clean install... but gusty works better... really better !!!
[21:04] <Ketrel> same problem with now that battery was pulled :(
[21:04] <sparr__> what provides the file browser for firefox in kde?  when firefox does 'open file' or 'save as'
[21:05] <Ubter> afk one moment
[21:06] <nosrednaekim> Ketrel: thats odd... is your wireless swtich on?
[21:07] <lmg> nosrednaekim: ok it works but I don't really see the interest of kde4
[21:07] <lmg> its beautifull but that's all
[21:08] <lmg> there is no more option in control panel for task bar
[21:08] <nosrednaekim> yep... its beautiful.. and faster
[21:08] <lmg> widgets are beautifull, yeah that's all foks
[21:09] <lmg> :)
[21:10] <Ketrel> nosrednaekim absolutely.  I have no idea what's wrong, it never stopped working for this long :(
[21:21] <arjuna> error checking root file system
[21:21] <arjuna> como lo soluciono
[21:22] <_myrtille_> !es
[21:22] <arjuna> thank you
[21:23] <_sourcemaker> how can i disable martian source and ll header checks?
[21:24] <spanther> is there a clone of the commercial valve steam game Defcon ?
[21:24] <uga> good afternoon guys... I got a box (not mine) migrated from windows to kubuntu successfully, but I ahd a small problem with it
[21:25] <uga> it seems their ISP needs stablishing a VPN connection (it's prepaid connection)
[21:25] <uga> how does one configure a virtual priv. network on *buntu/linux?
[21:25] <uga> I've done so on winders, but never on linux
[21:26] <_sourcemaker> uga: cool... I have the same problem without success
[21:26] <uga> I was able to ping the net, dns worked fine etc
[21:26] <uga> just they need a vpn established first
[21:26] <uga> and it's not a proxy from what I saw, it's a real vpn
[21:27] <will00> ey im wondering, is there a way of installing windows video drivers in kubuntu?
[21:28] <uga> will00: apt-get install w32codecs or so, yes
[21:28] <uga> or w64codecs for win64 boxes
[21:28] <uga> !codecs
[21:28] <Ketrel> I give up :(
[21:28] <uga> I wonder if this is what they do http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-configure-ubuntu-fedora-linux-pptp-client.html
[21:29] <RurouniJones> uga, sounds like you need more info on what VPN software the ISP is using
[21:30] <Nyad> Hi. I have some movies in ISO9660 format. How do I play them in kubuntu without writing them to CD?
[21:30] <will00> arent w32codecs for video files?
[21:30] <uga> RurouniJones: that's what I'm digging now, what sort of vpn it is. It must be some microsoft standard though, since they ask you to configure it through the control panel of windows
[21:30] <Faust-C> will00, for everything
[21:30] <will00> ok
[21:30] <RurouniJones> Microsoft "Standard"...good luck :)
[21:30] <Faust-C> mp3, avi, rm, and so forth
[21:31] <will00> faust-c so no video card drivers?
[21:31] <Faust-C> not really MS standard just propriotary formats
[21:31] <uga> will00: oh, hardware drivers, not codecs?
[21:31] <Faust-C> will00, uh no
[21:31] <Faust-C> will00, what vid card
[21:31] <uga> will00: you need linux drivers I'm afraid. nvidia and ati provide those
[21:31] <will00> im using a sis 662
[21:31] <uga> and afaik there's intel ones too, then there's S3 ones too...
[21:31] <Nyad> Hi. I have some movies in ISO9660 format. How do I play them in kubuntu without writing them to CD?
[21:32] <Faust-C> Nyad, mount them and play?
[21:32] <will00> but there isnt a linux driver for it, could i use the windows one with ndiswrapper?
[21:32] <Faust-C> will00, lol
[21:32] <Faust-C> will00, what vid card
[21:32] <Faust-C> you still havent answered that
[21:32] <Nyad> Faust-C: How do I mount them? the same way I mount a hardrive?
[21:32] <Nyad> ]
[21:32] <Faust-C> Nyad, google mount ISO linux
[21:33] <Faust-C> actually google mount ISO ubuntu and it will show you
[21:33] <will00> faust-c its an embedded SiS Mirage1 Graphics
[21:33] <uga> RurouniJones: okay, found something, a guy was told (he was having trouble) by the ISP that it's pptp protocol vpn
[21:33] <Faust-C> will00, the default one for X should work fine
[21:33] <uga> without ciphering
[21:33] <will00> faust-c, it does, but i get all these wierd vertical lines in the screen
[21:34] <Faust-C> will00, X -configure
[21:34] <Faust-C> or was it X -config
[21:34] <uga> RurouniJones: seems possible at least, now I have to figure out the how-to
[21:35] <uga> yepeee! =)
[21:35] <Faust-C> will00, your vid card can work w/ generic drivers
[21:35] <RurouniJones> uga, I have never used it but: pptp-linux, network-manager-pptp, pptp
[21:35] <Faust-C> will00, you just need to learn to do it yourself
[21:35] <uga> RurouniJones: ah, you rock
[21:35] <RurouniJones> those seem to be the packages you want
[21:35] <uga> yes, sound like so
[21:35] <uga> thanks
[21:35] <will00> iv tried the generic drivers and it either destroys x or results in the same issue
[21:36] <o0Chris0o> how do I make sure deKorator is installed and running?
[21:36] <nappingfirefox> hi
[21:36] <nappingfirefox> italian?
[21:37] <Faust-C> will00, ive had some pretty crappy systems and managed to get them to work fine
[21:37] <_myrtille_> !it
[21:37] <Faust-C> will00, just takes a lil reading
[21:37] <nappingfirefox> grazie... sono newbie
[21:37] <o0Chris0o> !newbie
[21:37] <will00> faust-c, i know, im on install 8 and day 3
[21:37] <o0Chris0o> !noob
[21:37] <sisif> Hello guys. Can somebody please help me with some module issues: I`m trying to blacklist ndiswrapper from autoloading at boot time. So I remove it from /etc/modules and also added it to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist . But it is still loading . Any advice an what I should do next ?
[21:38] <RurouniJones> Good luck uga
[21:38] <Faust-C> will00, sec
[21:38] <Faust-C> will00, btw why would you want graphics on a small system like that
[21:38] <uga> RurouniJones: the hardest part is configuring it while you have no network for digging for info
[21:39] <will00> faust-c im using it as a internet kiosk for my business
[21:39] <uga> I wonder if those debs are included in the CD. I may just download them to a pen drive...
[21:39] <Nyad> is it possible to install DE's other than XFce and Gnome and KDE on ubuntu distro?
[21:39] <Faust-C> will00, should have gotten something a lil more extendable ....
[21:39] <Faust-C> anyways brb
[21:39] <Odd-rationale> Nyad: yes
[21:39] <o0Chris0o> how do I make sure deKorator is installed and running?
[21:40] <Odd-rationale> Nyad: just install the respective ubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop, or xubuntu-desktop meta-packgae as needed.
[21:41] <Odd-rationale> Nyad: for other de, you can install fluxbox, openbox and a whole host of others.
[21:43] <Nyad> Odd-rationale: I want to not have any of Gnome KDE or XFce]
[21:43] <Nyad> so does ubuntu site have the pckages on their site?
[21:43] <Nyad> or do I have to do from source for each of htem
[21:43] <Nyad> ?
[21:43] <Odd-rationale> Nyad: you can remove them or install a command line system with the alternative cd and just install the de/wm of your choice
[21:44] <Odd-rationale> Nyad: which one are you looking for?
[21:44] <Odd-rationale> Nyad: most are in the repos
[21:44] <stdin> you'd need the server install CD to install a cli system, alternate CD installs a GUI desktop
[21:44] <Odd-rationale> stdin: the alternative cd also includes an option to install a cli
[21:44] <flamingo_> hi,
[21:44] <Odd-rationale> as does the mini.iso
[21:44] <flamingo_> does somebody know an audio editor
[21:45] <Odd-rationale> flamingo_: audacity is good
[21:45] <flamingo_> audacity does not play
[21:45] <flamingo_> the sound
[21:45] <uga> RurouniJones: I'm tempted to pipe all connections through icmps
[21:45] <flamingo_> it says something about the "samplerat" may be a bug???
[21:45] <uga> RurouniJones: they let icmps through without vpn nor payment =)
[21:45] <Odd-rationale> for kde, maybe kdenlive...
[21:45] <flamingo_> could it be?
[21:45] <stdin> Odd-rationale: netboot ftw :)
[21:45] <flamingo_> i use alsa and everything is so complicated
[21:45] <uga> RurouniJones: I read somebody once had tunnelled all packets through icmp8 packets =)
[21:46] <flamingo_> i perhaps change to debian or so
[21:46] <RurouniJones> That is just wrong
[21:46] <uga> so it ought to be not too hard
[21:46] <flamingo_> don't know...
[21:46] <uga> RurouniJones: why so, they just suck at security =)
[21:46] <RurouniJones> So wrong. Besides that guide you linked to looked pretty good. Assuming it worked
[21:46] <flamingo_> i'm really desparate that is does not work.
[21:47] <flamingo_> what is the best to use for the sound card? alsa, oss?
[21:47] <uga> RurouniJones: I don't think you can achieve much bandwidth out of icmp, and you need an external proxy anyway =)
[21:47] <uga> for unpacking the icmps and rerouting
[21:47] <donald__> okay my speakers are plugged in and im not getting sound...power is on and computer volume is up and not muted
[21:47] <uga> RurouniJones: it's theif fault if they haven't thought of those things ;)
[21:47] <uga> it's so obvious
[21:47] <uga> network works out of the box without payment ;)
[21:47] <KWGoD> neone help me with the speaker problems?
[21:47] <uga> it's just http that doesn't
[21:48] <uga> and any tcp port afaik
[21:48] <flamingo_> @kwgod
[21:48] <flamingo_> ->kwgod
[21:48] <flamingo_> whats the problem?
[21:48] <KWGoD> im not getting any sound out of my speakers
[21:48] <uga> RurouniJones: I think it's more wrong that after payment they tell you "we only support windows"
[21:48] <KWGoD> they are on
[21:48] <flamingo_> what u are using?
[21:48] <flamingo_> i have the same problem with audacity
[21:49] <flamingo_> with xmms it does work
[21:49] <flamingo_> what are u using?
[21:49] <KWGoD> to be honest i have no clue
[21:49] <KWGoD> my friend built this comp for me and im still getting used to kubuntu
[21:50] <nosrednaekim> KWGoD: well, #1, your freind could probably give you better helpthan we can
[21:50] <KWGoD> he told me to come here cuz hes busy atm
[21:50] <RurouniJones> uga, Windows = PCs, everyone knows that
[21:50] <RurouniJones> Mind you, an ISP that requires PPTP tunneling sounds dodgy to start with
[21:53] <KWGoD> its giving me a hard time
[21:53] <uga> RurouniJones: it is
[21:53] <o0Chris0o> why do kde theming got to be so difficult
[21:53] <uga> RurouniJones: nto sure but I think they use that for prepaid connectiosn
[21:53] <KWGoD> where would i check system info? like what im running?
[21:54] <uga> users buy hours of connection
[21:54] <uga> I guess they use the vpn connection to count for connection time
[21:54] <RurouniJones> aaah, uh, which country is this ISP in?
[21:54] <uga> the user is connected to the internet anyway, just icmps and udp frames are forwarded (dns and ping work)
[21:54] <uga> RurouniJones: spain
[21:55] <RurouniJones> Sounds like a very....unique setup they have there
[21:55] <uga> RurouniJones: heh, possibly =)
[21:55] <uga> I'm really tempted to test a UDP tunnel
[21:55] <uga> it'd be so easy if ssh could work over UDP ;))
[21:56] <uga> at least I could have internet while I do the setup
[21:56] <uga> put a tunnel through my home computer, using my pc as gateway
[21:56] <o0Chris0o> I disbaled Compiz, and lost my title bars, have no idea what happen, can someone help me out?
[21:57] <Ubter> I want to use alien to convert an rpm for a 32 bit program, but I am using a 64 bit Kubuntu and it is failing with an error
[21:57] <fdoving> o0Chris0o: alt+f2 'kwin --replace'
[21:57] <uga> o0Chris0o: you were possibly using the compiz window decoration. Just enter a tty, and type in... export DISPLAY=:0, kwin &
[21:57] <uga> fdoving: if alt+f2 works yes
[21:57] <Ubter> amd64' does not appear in package's architecture list (i386)
[21:57] <fdoving> uga: it should in kde3.
[21:57] <uga> fdoving: notice he doesn't have a window manager
[21:57] <uga> fdoving: he may not be able to focus on the minicli
[21:58] <uga> I had that happenning a while ago ;)
[21:58] <Ubter> how to install 32bit ap in 8.04
[21:58] <fdoving> uga: he can copy and paste from the irc window with the mouse, wihtout actually moving the focus around
[21:58] <uga> fdoving: ah heh, nice trick ;)
[21:59] <uga> Ubter: exactly like in previous versions
[21:59] <Ubter> I am coming from fedora
[21:59] <Ubter> I was going off instructions I found on ubuntu forums
[21:59] <Ubter> but they are failing with that error
[22:00] <uga> Ubter: you need to have 32bit compat libraries installed, but other than that, just force architecture
[22:00] <uga> in dpkg
[22:00] <o0Chris0o> fdoving kwin --replace didnt' work
[22:00] <Ubter> I didn't see any option for that in the man pages for alien
[22:00] <o0Chris0o> uga tty?
[22:00] <uga> Ubter: try dpkg --force-help
[22:00] <uga> that will show you what you can force (ignore)
[22:00] <uga> including the architecture
[22:00] <KWGoD> where do i dl new themes?
[22:00] <Ubter> thats the prob, I only have a rpm
[22:00] <o0Chris0o> !themes
[22:00] <fdoving> o0Chris0o: you are in kde, rihgt?
[22:00] <uga> o0Chris0o: terminal mode
[22:00] <uga> ctrl+alt+f1
[22:00] <Ubter> I can't convert to deb
[22:01] <phoenix> How do you go about installing the nvidia binary drivers on 8.04? The restricted drivers manager isn't doing anything.
[22:01] <o0Chris0o> fdoving yes kde 3.5
[22:01] <o0Chris0o> uga alright so type  export DISPLAY=:0, kwin & in terminal?
[22:02] <phoenix> Well, now it's doing it, that was really strange
[22:02] <will00> im getting an error sayin that "C compiler cannot create executables" how do i fix that?
[22:02] <uga> phoenix: first download the driver installer from nvidia.com, then remove anything related to restricted. you need to stop X for installing. as root, /etc/init.d/kdm stop. in the terminal, login and chmod a+x NVIDIAfoo... (the installer).run and execute it
[22:02] <fdoving> will00: install the package named 'build-essential'
[22:02] <will00> ok
[22:02] <phoenix> three times the driver manager does nothing, I ask on irc and it starts installing.
[22:02] <o0Chris0o> didn't work either
[22:03] <uga> o0Chris0o: yes, that will start a new window manager
[22:03] <uga> o0Chris0o: oh?
[22:03] <uga> o0Chris0o: first export part <return>
[22:03] <uga> then kwin part <return>
[22:03] <KWGoD> and can anyone help me with my speaker problem
[22:03] <phoenix> thanks uga, but it just worked.
[22:04]  * phoenix ponders the little bugs he's seen so far in 8.04 and wonders if he misread that this was an lts release.
[22:04] <uga> phoenix: be careful with those drivers. they tend to be annoyign sometimes. they will load earlier than other drivers you install yourself ,unless completely unisntalled properly
[22:05] <o0Chris0o> uga, I opened new tty and did it, it said done, still no title bars
[22:05] <phoenix> Heh, I had it trying to load nvidia drivers three times before I did a clean install for my upgrade since the dist-upgrade broke it.
[22:06] <uga> o0Chris0o: no errors either?
[22:06] <uga> it should show some error
[22:06] <uga> o0Chris0o: [foo ]done means it exits
[22:06] <uga> that's strange
[22:06] <phoenix> seemd to work fine though so I never bothered fidling with the init scripts, especially since kubuntu's init scripts seem rather convoluted to me
[22:06] <KR-data> ok I upgraded both kubuntu and KDE, but it seems like something as basic as the input-driver for the mouse dies after a while. Any ideas on what to do?
[22:07] <phoenix> Anyways, restart time, crossing fingers for the drivers to run properly.
[22:07] <o0Chris0o> it says "export DISPLAY=:0, kwin &
[22:07] <o0Chris0o> chris@chris-desktop:~$ export DISPLAY=:0, kwin &
[22:07] <o0Chris0o> [1] 6658
[22:07] <o0Chris0o> [1]+  Done                    export DISPLAY=:0, kwin
[22:07] <uga> nononono
[22:07] <uga> nononono
[22:07] <uga> ==)
[22:07] <uga> why do people read litterally rather than interpret what I type =)
[22:07] <uga> o0Chris0o:
[22:07] <uga> export DISPLAY=:0 <RETURN>
[22:07] <uga> PRESS RETURN THERE
[22:08] <uga> DON'T TYPE RETURN
[22:08] <uga> =)
[22:08] <uga> then kwin & <RETURN>
[22:08] <KR-data> sometimes it goes back online after I unplug and replug my secondary mouse. But that isn't good enough
[22:08] <KWGoD> okay...someone needs to help me with the sound problem
[22:08] <o0Chris0o> alright
[22:08] <uga> =)
[22:09] <Ubter> anyone here use Maya in Ubuntu 64
[22:09] <o0Chris0o> ug : I get this export DISPLAY=:0 <RETURN>
[22:09] <KWGoD> my speakers are plugged in, turned on, and the volume on my comp is up and not muted and im not getting any sound
[22:09] <KR-data> any ideas on the mouse problem would be very very appreciated, even if it is vague
[22:09] <o0Chris0o> errr
[22:09] <uga> o0Chris0o: now yes, right?
[22:09] <o0Chris0o> this : bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[22:09] <KWGoD> anyone help?
[22:10] <uga> o0Chris0o: in which line
[22:10] <uga> export one, or the kwin one
[22:10] <nosrednaekim> KWGoD: did you try restarting the sound system?
[22:10] <KWGoD> how?
[22:10] <o0Chris0o> !sound | KWGoD
[22:10] <uga> oh my...
[22:11] <uga> o0Chris0o: damn, read my lips, DON'T TYPE "R E T U R N"
[22:11] <KR-data> o0Chris0o, I might be strange, but isn't it a good idea to make sure alsa or oss works first
[22:11] <uga> press the "RETURN" KEY
[22:11] <uga> uga@dpcuga:~$ DISPLAY=:0 <RETURN>
[22:11] <uga> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[22:11] <uga> thtat's what you did, right? =)
[22:11] <o0Chris0o> I didn't type returnj
[22:11] <SlimeyPete> nano will put a newline at the end of the file automatically
[22:11] <o0Chris0o> that was a mistake I coped wrong line
[22:12] <o0Chris0o> thats why I said errr
[22:12] <uga> uga@dpcuga:~$ export DISPLAY=:0 <RETURN>
[22:12] <uga> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[22:12] <uga> uga@dpcuga:~$ export DISPLAY=:0
[22:12] <uga> o0Chris0o: look up there
[22:12] <KWGoD> kay its checked and still not working
[22:12] <uga> o0Chris0o: second one works, now you understand what I meant? =)
[22:12] <nosrednaekim> KWGoD: in system settings->sound and multimedia->hardware, set the hardware device to Advanced Linux Sound Architecture and then hit apply again
[22:12] <cdpuk> Anyone know the format of the session name for `dcop --session [sessionName]`?  --list-sessions doesn't seem useful
[22:13] <o0Chris0o> not really, because its still not working
[22:13] <KR-data> anyone who can recommend a good mouse btw.?
[22:13] <nosrednaekim> KR-data: anything made by M$ :)
[22:13] <KR-data> one that fully works with no bugs in kde
[22:14] <o0Chris0o> I am typing "export DISPLAY=:0, kwin & <return> I hit return not typing it
[22:14] <nosrednaekim> and i'm serious here
[22:14] <o0Chris0o> uga
[22:14] <uga> o0Chris0o: two lines, no commas
[22:14] <uga> I told you up there
[22:14] <uga> firs thte display line
[22:14] <uga> then the kwin line
[22:14] <KR-data> nosrednaekim, well I can have a look, though I don't remember seeing anything of interest
[22:14] <uga> it's two operations
[22:14] <KWGoD> its restarting now
[22:14] <zj> bvcbc
[22:15] <KR-data> nosrednaekim, the problem is, I like Logitech... when in Windows. But I seem to have trouble with Logitech in Linux nearly no matter what I do
[22:15] <o0Chris0o> it says done
[22:15] <o0Chris0o> still no title bars though
[22:15] <uga> no error at all?
[22:15] <uga> something is strange
[22:15] <nosrednaekim> I love my logitech joystick and wireless mouse... but multibuttons are a pain to get configured
[22:15] <o0Chris0o> no error
[22:15] <uga> o0Chris0o: just in case, try afterwards "kwin --replace"
[22:16] <uga> a window manager may still be running
[22:16] <uga> if that doesn't fix it, I really cannot tell
[22:16] <KR-data> nosrednaekim, my exact experience
[22:16] <KWGoD> it keeps getting up to 100% and restarting the restart
[22:16] <nosrednaekim> KWGoD: ouch.. thats not good. ok.. kill it
[22:16] <KR-data> nosrednaekim, and the bluetooth one I have no is only trouble
[22:17] <KWGoD> ok now what?
[22:17] <nosrednaekim> KWGoD: now, run this from the command line "sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart"
[22:17] <KWGoD> canceled it
[22:18] <KWGoD> quotations too?
[22:18] <o0Chris0o> nga it says
[22:18] <o0Chris0o> QPainter::begin: Cannot paint null pixmap
[22:18] <o0Chris0o> QPainter::end: Missing begin() or begin() failed
[22:18] <o0Chris0o> uga :)
[22:18] <uga> uhmpf...
[22:18] <uga> I wonder if your Xorg is running on display :0
[22:18] <uga> or :1
[22:18] <uga> why cannot QPainter paint on the device
[22:18] <uga> unless X isnt' running there
[22:19] <o0Chris0o> dunno
[22:19] <KWGoD> ran it and still not getting anything
[22:19] <o0Chris0o> its just getting kinda annoying trying to get a decent theme
[22:20] <nosrednaekim> KWGoD: now go back to that previous step and try setting it to alsa again
[22:21] <o0Chris0o> alright uga, this is what I did I went into CCSM, enabled Window Decoration
[22:21] <o0Chris0o> and command line it says "emerald"
[22:21] <o0Chris0o> and its back
[22:21] <o0Chris0o> but
[22:21] <o0Chris0o> its clear
[22:21] <o0Chris0o> transparent
[22:21] <KWGoD> still nothin
[22:21] <will00> where can i find the xorg-server package?
[22:22] <uga> o0Chris0o: I haven't used compiz for ages, I can't recall what the dialogs looked like
[22:22] <nosrednaekim> KWGoD: does it still loop on restarting the sounds system?
[22:22] <KWGoD> no
[22:22] <uga> o0Chris0o: I code kde, so I run kde4's kwin now
[22:22] <uga> instead of compiz
[22:22] <o0Chris0o> ant to get rid of compiz all together, seems like I am having probs with it
[22:22] <nosrednaekim> KWGoD: well, thats good at least...
[22:22] <o0Chris0o> I just want to be able to use the cube and other animations
[22:22] <KWGoD> where to from there?
[22:22] <nosrednaekim> KWGoD: are you sure the speakers are plugged into the green jack (dumb I know, but gotta make sure)
[22:23] <KWGoD> yeah they are
[22:23] <nosrednaekim> ok... well, I don't have a clue then...
[22:23] <KWGoD> hmmmm
[22:24] <KR-data> KWGoD: tried alsamixer?
[22:24] <KR-data> I know it's vague, but it can give a hint on some errors
[22:24] <KWGoD> im a bit retarded with this so bare with me
[22:24] <KWGoD> alsamixer?
[22:24] <KR-data> run it within konsole
[22:25] <KWGoD> opened konsole
[22:25] <KWGoD> now wut?
[22:25] <KR-data> type: alsamixer
[22:26] <KR-data> then hit return
[22:26] <KWGoD> then?
[22:26] <o0Chris0o> uga does kwin have almost the same effects as compiz?
[22:26] <KR-data> does it open a system to edit volume levels or does it give an error?
[22:26] <KWGoD> i see volume levels
[22:27] <KWGoD> how do i edit them?
[22:27] <KR-data> ok, is it the right soundcard that is listed in the top left corner?
[22:27] <KWGoD> not sure
[22:27] <KWGoD> where do i check system info?
[22:27] <cpk1> KWGoD: up and down arrow keys changes volume, left and right arrow keys selects which device to use
[22:27] <KWGoD> figured that part out thankyou though
[22:27] <KR-data> cpk1, one step ahead of me :p
[22:28] <KR-data> m for mute/unmute
[22:28] <Vermux> which file is the tcp/ip configuration?
[22:29] <KWGoD> LOW AND BEHOLD THOUGH ART LISTEN TO IN FLAMES AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[22:29] <LimCore> how to disable Xgl and 3d effects, and use regular xorg?
[22:29] <KR-data> KWGoD, an q for quit, I can't remember how to check what cards that's set up in the system, but I'll try to find it
[22:29] <KWGoD> *raises fists above his head*
[22:29] <KWGoD> thanyou everyone
[22:30] <KR-data> no problem :)
[22:30] <will00> does anyone know where i can find the xorg-server package?
[22:30] <KWGoD> finally i can listen to all my beautiful metal again
[22:31] <cpk1> Vermux: you mean how to configure your network cards?
[22:31] <KR-data> hehe, I couldn't live without my music :) I understand your headache :)
[22:31] <cpk1> KWGoD: you already have mp3 support?
[22:31] <KR-data> and the joy when it finally works
[22:31] <Vermux> cpk1: yes
[22:32] <stdin> will00: xserver-xorg is the server
[22:32] <Vermux> cpk1: etc/sysconfig?
[22:32] <nosrednaekim> KWGoD: ah... cool :)
[22:32] <cpk1> Vermux: no it would be in /etc/network/interfaces
[22:33] <will00> stdin: im trying to install some video files and it says it cant find the xorg-server file, what should i do?
[22:33] <KR-data> what is the point actually in using arts for your sound?
[22:33] <o0Chris0o> uga you around ?
[22:33] <stdin> will00: what are you trying to install?
[22:34] <Vermux> cpk1: I dont c IP addresses there
[22:34] <will00> im trying to install http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=N&Inst=Yes&ProductID=2873&DwnldID=15443&strOSs=All&OSFullName=All%20Operating%20Systems&lang=eng
[22:35] <stdin> will00: that's unneeded, intel driver is included
[22:36] <cpk1> Vermux: thats because it comes set up to use dhcp by default
[22:37] <Vermux> ok
[22:38] <will00> stdin: that might have just destroyed my xserver
[22:39] <will00> yep its toast
[22:41] <jonathan__> hello and a good evening! :)
[22:41] <KR-data> good evening
[22:41] <KR-data> or I would actually say night :p
[22:42] <jonathan__> i've a question: how can i turn my desktop in a 3D cubic with several workspaces?
[22:42] <jonathan__> :)
[22:42] <o0Chris0o> !cube
[22:42] <nosrednaekim> !compiz
[22:42] <cpk1> Vermux: if you just want to see your ip you can run ifconfig that will output some relevant information
[22:42] <Vermux> cpk1: exactly! thanks
[22:43] <jonathan__> never mind, i found it :)
[22:43] <jonathan__> sorry
[22:43] <jonathan__> have a nice day :D
[22:43] <Maillard> I just upgraded to Kubuntu Hardy from the net. Everything seems to work fine, but i cannot open Adept Manager from the menu. Which is the command to issue from a shell to open it?
[22:44] <SlimeyPete> Maillard: "kdesu adept_manager" I think
[22:44] <Maillard> thanks SlimeyPete  Now i will try from konsole and see what happens
[22:48] <yakuzi> i've a problem: i can only change my wallpaper if i right-click on an image and choose "set as background" it won't change if i choose an otherwallpaper with right-click>configure desktop and then change the wallpaper, anyone has an idea how to solve this?
[22:48] <Maillard> oh my! my problem is likely not adept_manager : if i type in sudo in a shell i get: franz@laptop-new:~$ sudo
[22:48] <Maillard> sudo: unable to resolve host laptop-new
[22:49] <Maillard> never had such a problem in years with linux....
[22:49] <Maillard> can anyone help?
[22:50] <will00> does anyone know a working configruation for a sis 662 graphics card on an embedded intel uitx motherboard?
[22:54] <Maillard> Please help! I just upgraded to Kubuntu Hardy and now I can't issue a sudo command
[22:54] <Maillard> franz@laptop-new:~$ sudo
[22:54] <Maillard> sudo: unable to resolve host laptop-new
[22:55] <Maillard> i did the same upgrade on another computer but i didn't see anything like that (luckily)
[22:56] <psyco> Well if it is a new installation, i'd recommend a reinstall
[22:56] <psyco> or keep looking for a fix...
[22:56] <Daisuke_Ido> Maillard: pastebin your /etc/hosts file
[22:56] <psyco> are any programs that use root open, like adept?
[22:57] <Maillard> ok, Daisuke_Ido  it will take a minute
[22:58] <yakuzi> is there some lock-file that prevents me from changing my wallpaper with the right-click configure desktop thing? and if so, can i trash it so i can change my wallpaper again?
[22:59] <Daisuke_Ido> yakuzi: kde 3 or 4?
[22:59] <yakuzi> kde3
[22:59] <picotron> help - I can not watch dvd on kaffeine on hardy. I already installed libdvdcss2
[22:59] <Daisuke_Ido> not sure then.  i know 4.0.2 had a really annoying bug that would stop that from working
[22:59] <Maillard> Daisuke_Ido, the file is so short (two   lines) that i guess i can post it here:
[22:59] <Maillard> # The "order" line is only used by old versions of the C library.
[22:59] <Maillard> multi off
[23:00] <Daisuke_Ido> that's /etc/hosts ?
[23:00] <yakuzi> well i had the problem before in 7.10 but i forgot how to fix it :s
[23:00] <yakuzi> i alays destroy something in my xorg.conf when i don't have a back-up :s
[23:00] <Maillard> that is /etc/host.conf
[23:00] <Daisuke_Ido> no, /etc/hosts
[23:00] <Maillard> sorry ok
[23:00] <picotron> how can i play dvds on kaffeine?
[23:00] <Daisuke_Ido> different file (should be a little longer than two lines :)
[23:02] <Maillard> Daisuke_Ido, http://pastebin.com/m104d90e3
[23:02] <Daisuke_Ido> and there's the problem right there
[23:03] <picotron> hello, can somebody help me? i cannot play dvds on kaffeine - hardy
[23:03] <Daisuke_Ido> you need to change franz-laptop-new to laptop-new
[23:03] <Maillard> i hope it is one i can solve with your help Daisuke_Ido
[23:03] <Maillard> ok, but...  i need to be root to alter a file in /etc !
[23:04] <Maillard> don't I?
[23:04] <Daisuke_Ido> try kdesudo kate /etc/hosts
[23:04] <BonesolTeraDyne> I though kdesudo depended on sudo...
[23:04] <Maillard> definitely
[23:05] <Daisuke_Ido> i had the same issue (but i'm using gnome and just changed it through networkmanager, i don't know what kde's equivalent is)
[23:05] <Daisuke_Ido> knetworkmanager
[23:05] <Daisuke_Ido> BonesolTeraDyne: if you have an idea how he can get that file edited, i'm all ears
[23:06] <BonesolTeraDyne> Daisuke_Ido: Sadly, I don't. Well, short of going into single user mode through the recovery kernel
[23:06] <BonesolTeraDyne> Or maybe using a LiveCD to somehow get to it.
[23:07] <Daisuke_Ido> that would be my first instinct
[23:08] <Daisuke_Ido> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4832186
[23:08] <Maillard> can't find where to modify that line in Knetworkmanager Daisuke_Ido
[23:09] <Daisuke_Ido> or in system settings perhaps, some network settings area is bound to have a hosts section
[23:09] <Daisuke_Ido> i don't even have kde installed or i'd check it out
[23:09] <Maillard> but anywhere it is it will require beeing root Daisuke_Ido !!!
[23:09] <BonesolTeraDyne> I think I've seen an option like that. I'm using KDE3 right now. I'll check it out.
[23:10] <Maillard> it's like Comma22
[23:10] <Daisuke_Ido> i couldn't sudo either, but i could get to that
[23:10] <Daisuke_Ido> (as root)
[23:10] <Daisuke_Ido> policykit :D
[23:11] <Maillard> what is it?
[23:11] <BonesolTeraDyne> Yup. System Settings > Network Settings > Network Connections Pane > Domain Name System tab
[23:11] <Daisuke_Ido> i would recommend at least trying through BonesolTeraDyne's string
[23:11] <Daisuke_Ido> policykit is selinux done right
[23:11] <Maillard> sure, thanks
[23:11] <Daisuke_Ido> granular permissions controls
[23:12] <o0Chris0o> I am thinking about removing compiz fusion
[23:13] <Daisuke_Ido> o0Chris0o: in kde?  you'd be better off without it.
[23:13] <Daisuke_Ido> it doesn't integrate well at all
[23:13] <o0Chris0o> yeah
[23:13] <o0Chris0o> tell me bout it
[23:13] <jhutchins_wk> I thought kdesu and gsudo were independent of sudo?
[23:13] <jhutchins_wk> In fact, I thought that was one of the solutions.
[23:13] <Daisuke_Ido> jhutchins: if they are, then this is a really easy fix.
[23:13] <o0Chris0o> what are some others I could check out Daisuke_Ido
[23:13] <BonesolTeraDyne> jhutchins_wk: I did too.
[23:14] <Maillard> Daisuke_Ido, and BonesolTeraDyne  I found it but itt doesnn't allow me to enter administartor mode
[23:14] <Daisuke_Ido> o0Chris0o: none, really - gnome seems to be the only DE that *really* is integrated well
[23:14] <Daisuke_Ido> Maillard: try kdesu kate /etc/hosts
[23:15] <Maillard> i already did Daisuke_Ido
[23:15] <Daisuke_Ido> jhutchins: kdesu and kdesudo - one's just a symlink to the other right?
[23:16] <o0Chris0o> I see
[23:17] <Daisuke_Ido> i know that's how gksu and gksudo are
[23:17] <o0Chris0o> wish someone was alive in compiz fusion to help
[23:18] <Maillard> so, how can I edit a root owned file without beeing root?
[23:18] <Daisuke_Ido> wait a second
[23:18] <Daisuke_Ido> if /etc/hosts is already saying he has one hostname, shouldn't it switch to that if he reboots?
[23:19] <Daisuke_Ido> time to go grab laundry
[23:19] <Maillard> well, it all happened at my reboot after upgrade
[23:20] <jhutchins_wk> Oh, integrated to compiz.  Yeah.
[23:23] <Rekla_je_zagrli_> hi people :)
[23:30] <Maillard> Daisuke_Ido, I could fix it by booting in recovery mode and starting as root.... no other way!
[23:31] <Daisuke_Ido> Maillard: that's certainly what it looks like
[23:32] <Maillard> a nusty bug anyway!
[23:32] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah, that's not a good one
[23:32] <Daisuke_Ido> i would check launchpad to see if it exists as a bug already
[23:32] <Maillard> I already did....
[23:33] <Maillard> it exists and it is not fixed yet
[23:33] <Maillard> it seems people can fix the file if using gnome, but with kde only solution is the one i followed
[23:34] <BonesolTeraDyne> That makes things even worse. Did you add your experience to the bug report?
[23:35] <Maillard> not yet, but i'm going to do it as soon as i have expressed you bot my thanks :)
[23:35] <Maillard> both*
[23:35] <sparr__> where should user-local binaries and game data go?  for things not installed by root
[23:36] <BonesolTeraDyne> post the bug link here. I'd like to put it on my watch list.
[23:36] <BonesolTeraDyne> If you don't mind, of course.
[23:36] <jhutchins_wk> sparr__: Well, the correct answer is usually somewhere in /home/<user>
[23:37] <sparr__> jhutchins: can you be more specific?  i picked up ~/.local/[bin,share,etc] from some installers and have stuck with it, but im curious of other options
[23:38] <mike-kubunt1> hey guys, for some reason i'm getting stuck into a tty boot every boot since 8.04, and using nvidia-glx-new, the compiz effects only draw window decorations on active windows, other than that the new realease is amazing
[23:38] <mike-kubunt1> any tips on the boot up / compiz issue?
[23:38] <hydrogen> sparr__: the FHS I believe suggests creating ~/{bin,lib,share} directories
[23:39] <jhutchins_wk> !v4l
[23:39] <jhutchins_wk> !video4linux
[23:39] <jhutchins_wk> !webcam
[23:39] <sparr__> hydrogen: yes, but i long ago decided that the FHS is a piece of crap, so im looking more for real-life answers
[23:39] <Desmond> !anything
[23:39] <hydrogen> sparr__: then wherever you want :)
[23:41] <sparr__> hydrogen: any filesystem standard that specifies a mount point for temporary mounts and one for removable media, but not one for permanent non-removable media, is silly
[23:41] <mike-kubunt1> and firefox doesnt get recomended programs for opening downloads anymore
[23:44] <Desmond> is kde4 stable yet?
[23:45] <sparr__> would one have to consider kde 3.5 stable to answer that?
[23:45] <Odd-rationale> Desmond: it is quite stable. Is is just still incomplete.
[23:45] <Desmond> ok
[23:45] <psyco> has anyone tried 4.1 yet?
[23:45] <Odd-rationale> alpha?
[23:46] <BluesKaj> mike-kubunt1, flashplugin-nonfree, ubuntu-restricted-extras, libdvdcss2 , W32codecs, libk3b2-mp3 and libxine1-ffmpeg should take care
[23:46] <BluesKaj> of everything
[23:46] <hydrogen> psyco: the alpha is pretty b0rked
[23:46] <hydrogen> but I've been running trunk since last october or so
[23:46] <Desmond> because i almost installed but it wouldnt work
[23:47] <psyco> ok
[23:47] <Desmond> poll: kde3 or 4?
[23:47] <mike-kubunt1> BluesKaj: yeah, thats fine, it can play them on my computer, it just doesnt recomend xine or anything when i try to download as a default open type
[23:48] <ubuntu__> im a monkey
[23:48] <mike-kubunt1> anyone know the package that adds repos like medibuntu etc automatically?
[23:48] <ubuntu__> no
[23:48] <Desmond> medibuntu?
[23:48] <ubuntu__> wish i did
[23:48] <ubuntu__> dance
[23:49] <mrmonkeyman> I am a monkey
[23:49]  * Desmond dance
[23:49] <mike-kubunt1> Desmond: used to be the only place to find win32codecs and libdvdcss2 etc
[23:49] <Desmond> i se
[23:49] <Desmond> see*
[23:49] <Desmond> im new to kubuntu/ubunbut
[23:49] <BluesKaj> mike-kubunt1, if you DL it , open it with VLC , it plays practically any codec
[23:49] <Desmond> used to have SUSE but after there shady deals with microsoft i started
[23:50] <Desmond> to distro hop
[23:50] <psyco> lol. nice
[23:50] <Desmond> this is like my 8th
[23:50] <Desmond> but it has a nice easy feel
[23:50] <Desmond> normally i would want somthing harder
[23:50] <psyco> faster, better, stronger?
[23:51] <Desmond> but this has a nice community
[23:51] <psyco> :D
[23:51] <Desmond> exactly
[23:51] <o0Chris0o> how can I completely remove all compiz fusion off my system?
[23:52] <Odd-rationale> o0Chris0o: After all that work of putting it on?
[23:52] <psyco> ask #compiz
[23:52] <o0Chris0o> its giving me nothing but problems
[23:52] <o0Chris0o> still
[23:52] <hydrogen> psyco: thats definatly a question for here
[23:52] <hydrogen> not #compiz
[23:52] <psyco> With the desktop effects it takes about 30 seconds now XD
[23:52] <o0Chris0o> the same thing
[23:52] <hydrogen> as its distro specific
[23:52] <Desmond> sudo rm -rf etc
[23:52] <Desmond> lol jk
[23:52] <psyco> hy
[23:52] <psyco> hydrogen: ah right
[23:53] <mike-kubunt1> anyone got insight into the bootup splash problem or compiz window decoration glitch?
[23:53] <mike-kubunt1> or know where to go to file a bug report?
[23:53] <Odd-rationale> o0Chris0o: try "sudo aptitude purge compiz-kde compizconfig-settings-manager"
[23:54] <Odd-rationale> o0Chris0o: I hardly run compiz myself. ;) just spinned the cube around a few times the shut it down...
[23:54] <o0Chris0o> I see
[23:55] <Odd-rationale> For one thing, compiz doesn't intergrate very well into kde... At least not like in gnome
[23:55] <Odd-rationale> or even xfce...
[23:55] <Odd-rationale> If someone is a serious compiz user, I usually tell them to use gnome...
[23:55] <kkathman> Odd-rationale:  I've had very little problem with compiz in Kubuntu really
[23:56] <mike-kubunt1> i've had almost no problem up till now :\
[23:56] <Odd-rationale> kkathman: that's cool
[23:56] <kkathman> When I upgraded from Gutsy, it seemed to refresh my settings tho
[23:56] <Odd-rationale> kkathman: the workspace switcher doesn't work really well with compiz...
[23:56] <kkathman> Odd-rationale:  try the ring switcher instead - thats what I use
[23:57] <Odd-rationale> kkathman: and I keep getting the adept updater window which I have to killl.
[23:57] <kkathman> why kill it ?