[18:47] <themumbler> how to install the kubuntu dvd with wubi? i can't find the wubi installer on the dvd anywhere.
[18:47] <trait> do you ve a solution?
[18:47] <aaroncampbell> how can I tell?
[18:47] <flipstar> trait: is this a error message ?
[18:47] <aaroncampbell> I tried alsamixer, and got a CLI mixer...which is actually pretty cool, and I've never seen
[18:47] <trait> i have sound, but its very quiet
[18:47] <tekgeeklt> I could not get any sound on my laptop and had to download  dkms-alsa package which is an upgrade to alsa
[18:48] <dave11> themumbler: wubi is for dual booting with windows
[18:48] <pascalFR> what is the  <super> button  in compiz  config ?
[18:48] <themumbler> yes i know.
[18:48] <flipstar> aaroncampbell: just type (or paste ;) ) this into a shell <lspci|grep -i audio>
 is your windows button
[18:48] <becky_> pascalFR: the windows key
[18:48] <aaroncampbell> 00:0e.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP55 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
[18:48] <pascalFR> becky_: thanks
[18:48] <aaroncampbell> Mine is nVidia
[18:49] <andrew_> I just installed Compiz on hardy, how do  I make it not start automatically?
[18:49] <trait> qhere to get the package, tekgeeklt ?
[18:49] <themumbler> i've used wubi to download and install, but now i want to try to install from the dvd.
[18:49] <trait> andrew_ , i think it will restart, when you startet it once
[18:49] <aaroncampbell> flipstar: that paste was for you
[18:49] <themumbler> but can't figure it out.
[18:50] <becky_> themumbler: and what is your hesitation?
[18:50] <becky_> themumbler:
[18:50] <andrew_> If I start with a new session, will that stop it from going automatically?
[18:50] <tekgeeklt> I used the package manager to download it with another OS I think ubunto has its own package manager
[18:50] <dave11> themumbler: wubi is just for hard drives its not to put on a dvd
[18:50] <flipstar> aaroncampbell: yes..i see but since it's no intel card i dont know if this will help
[18:50] <flipstar> !intelhda
[18:50] <ubotu> For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[18:50] <thenes> can anybody tell me where I put plugins to konqueror. Like the konqueror equallavante to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins
[18:50] <themumbler> yes i know.
[18:50] <trait> tekgeeklt the package c'ant eb found
[18:50] <themumbler> i downloaded the new dvd iso of kubuntu last night.
[18:50] <Kuwanger> I'm wanting to update to 8.04 from 7.10, but I have a small problem.  I'm on a dial-up connection, so I'm going to be disconnected frequently.  Is there any way I can fetch all the packages I need for the update in a more connection-breaking tolerant fashion?
[18:50] <themumbler> now i want to use wubi to install it on my windows partition.
[18:51] <trait> on the cd there s a install.exe, themumbler
[18:51] <dave11> themumbler: then it should work
[18:51] <trait> tekgeek , the package c'ant be found in apt
[18:51] <themumbler> or will i need to just do the yes. it just tell me to restart my computer and boot from the dvd.
[18:52] <dave11> themumbler: run wubi in windows
[18:52] <themumbler> i mean, it just tells me to reboot from the dvd.
[18:52] <Bauldrick> how do i re-enable restricted drivers - it's not under system > advanced?
[18:52] <becky_> themumbler: no don't do the restart option. what are the autorun options when you put the dvd in the drive?
[18:52] <x_link> Hi!
[18:52] <flipstar> Bauldrick: it's in kmenu >system
[18:53] <trait> there should be an application on the cd to start on windows, themumbler
[18:53] <x_link> This might be a weird question.
[18:53] <flipstar> Kuwanger: best thing would probably be an cd
[18:53] <Bauldrick> thats what im saying - its not
[18:53] <x_link> My english isn't that good so it might sound a bit strange.
[18:53] <themumbler> when i put the dvd in the drive, the installer starts up, and the only options are to restart now or later.
[18:53] <x_link> In Kubuntu Gutsy I could do this "sudo visudo" and I could just change the settings.
[18:53] <flipstar> Bauldrick: it's just called driver manager if youre on hardy
[18:53] <x_link> But now in Kubuntu Hardy I can't do it like that. I can't write anything when I do "sudo visudo". Seems like it's using vim.
[18:53] <Kuwanger> flipstar: Is it possible to run the updater from the cd image without burning the cd?
[18:53] <x_link> I just did sudo aptitude purge vim, but vim is still in use.
[18:54] <x_link> Was it another program in Gutsy or what?
[18:54] <x_link> Cause I want to use that program instead of vim.
[18:54] <trait> what does visudo do, x_link
[18:54] <trait> ??
[18:54] <flipstar> x_link: if you now the syntax you can edit with kate (or your editor) and then check with visudo -c
[18:54] <x_link> trait: I change something in visudo so that I don't need to type the password for sudo everytime.
[18:54] <Jack111> hi could anyone help me for a sec with this issue about unmet dependencies?http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/m7d221c96
[18:54] <dave11> themumbler: you dont put wubi on a dvd, you run it in windows from the desktop
[18:55] <themumbler> yes i know. i do not have wubi on a dvd.
[18:55] <trait> try su
[18:55] <flipstar> Kuwanger: yes you can mount it and then add to software sources
[18:55] <x_link> flipstar: I already change it, I did sudo nano /etc/sudoers.
[18:55] <themumbler> kubuntu is on a dvd.
[18:55] <genii> x_link: Just use sudo nano /etc/sudoers
[18:55] <x_link> But I want the same program as in Gutsy.
[18:55] <dave11> themumbler: i must not understand
[18:55] <becky_> themumbler: this is the screen you want: http://kubuntu.org/images/hardy_wubi.png
[18:55] <x_link> genii: I know I can do that.
[18:55] <themumbler> that is the prblem. i am trying to figure out how to install it with wubi.
[18:55] <x_link> Ahh, maybe you guys don't understand me.
[18:55] <becky_> dave11: he has the dvd of ubuntu and wants to install kubuntu wubi version!
[18:56] <dave11> becky_: ohh
[18:56] <themumbler> becky_: that is not what i see.
[18:57] <genii> x_link: vi has ALWAYS been default editor for vipw and visudo   So I'm not sure why you're surprisd to see it as the editor for editing the sudoers file when issuing visudo
[18:57] <x_link> genii: Okey.
[18:57] <dave11> there should be a drop down window with the kubuntu option in wubi
[18:57] <x_link> genii: Thanks anyway the, I appreciate your help.
[18:57] <flipstar> x_link: that's probably why its called VIsudo ;)
[18:58] <x_link> In Kubuntu Gutsy I could just type --> sudo visudo. And I could change some settings there.
[18:58] <x_link> But now in Kubuntu Hardy I can't, I can't write any letter at all when I type --> sudo visudo.
[18:59] <themumbler> dave11:that will download and install. i already have the dvd. how can i get wubi to install from that instead?
[18:59] <becky_> themumbler: I'm wondering if the dvd doesn't have the wubi installer on it...
[18:59] <Kuwanger> flipstar: Thanks for the suggestion.  I think I'll go that route.
[19:00] <dave11> themumbler: no it dosent
[19:00] <CrocoJet> all packages with names "kde4" are for kde4, right ?
[19:00] <themumbler> becky_:i've searched the dvd and didn't find it.
[19:00] <becky_> themumbler: you need to download the cd and install with that.
[19:00] <flipstar> Kuwanger: if youre tired of downloading you still can use https://shipit.kubuntu.org/ ..
[19:00] <CrocoJet> for example: ksnapshot-kde4 .. etc etc
[19:00] <CrocoJet> others is not good to use, right ?
[19:01] <dave11> themumbler: its either thre disk or wubi
[19:01] <Kuwanger> flipstar: I've made a request already.  I'm not sure if I'll download it or not.
[19:01] <themumbler> becky_:oh. it's not possible to do it with the dvd iso?
[19:01] <CrocoJet> I have video board nvidia GT 8500 .. I made install of nvidia-glx-new
[19:01] <CrocoJet> and now ?
[19:01] <becky_> themumbler: apparantly not. sorry for the confusion...
[19:01] <themumbler> becky_: oh. it's not possible to do it with the dvd iso?
[19:02] <themumbler> oh, ok.
[19:02] <flipstar> Kuwanger: just ask a friend best from an university :p
[19:02] <themumbler> well crap.
[19:02] <becky_> themumbler: go here: http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php and download the cd version from a mirror
[19:02] <CrocoJet> exist some client irc for kde4 ?
[19:02] <becky_> themumbler: on the bright side you only have to download 700MB and not several GB... ;)
[19:02] <Kuwanger> flipstar: Hmm..that indirectly is a good idea.
[19:02] <venik> my attempts to upgrade to hardy crashed.  NOw I cannot even run ADEPT-- it complains about UNABLE TO COMMIT etc.  What can I do?
[19:02] <themumbler> yeah, that's where is just got the dvd last night.
[19:03] <Kuwanger> flipstar: Anyways, thanks again.
[19:03] <themumbler> ok. thanks becky_ and dave11.
[19:03] <tekgeek> anyone know the difference between  "alternate" and "desktop" with the 8.04 download?
[19:04] <becky_> themumbler: np
[19:04] <flipstar> tekgeek: alternate is text based install, desktop is a live cd
[19:04] <tekgeek> thanx flipstar
[19:04] <becky_> tekgeek: alternate gives more options also
[19:04] <dave11> themumbler: your welcome
[19:04] <CrocoJet> someone can help me with install nvidia drivers in kubuntu 8.04 ?
[19:04] <genii> desktop has livecd and graphical install for most generic boxes. Alternate has no livecd, text based install and support for wider range of devices on problemmatic systems
[19:04] <becky_> tekgeek: examples are raid setups and lvm options
[19:05] <venik> I cannot even install from the live cd-- it gags on the bluetooth thing
[19:05] <flipstar> CrocoJet: kmenu->system->driver manager
[19:05] <CrocoJet> flipstar: let me see
[19:05] <sandro> hey i was upgrading since 1130 last night to 8.04 and its been stuck @ 83 percent
[19:05] <dave11> venik: have you been to the #ubuntu chat.. its jammed with problems
[19:05] <sandro> i think it froze or something
[19:06] <sandro> all i know is that i dont have flash to open videos
[19:06] <CrocoJet> status show .. not in use but marked "enable"
[19:06] <flipstar> sandro: stucked at downloading ?
[19:06] <bleaked> flipstar: so i got it to work.. turns out, because i copied my old gutsy xorg conf, which disabled composite (needed for xgl, but not aiglx), compiz was not able to load.
[19:07] <CrocoJet> brb
[19:07] <venik> OK-- I'll take a look... And here I was yesterday, touting UBUNTU's stability and ease of use, operation and installation
[19:07] <genii> sandro: We went throught htis earlier with you
[19:07] <sandro> yea i dont think im dowloading anything though
[19:07] <flipstar> bleaked: thats great :) except than the idea to copy configs between releases..
[19:07] <jdwatson> The URL preview in FF 3 beta is weird. Not sure I like it
[19:08] <dave11> venik: I lost 2 dvds trying to burn the dvd iso
[19:08] <flipstar> sandro: when it's stucked at downloading you can break it and resume i think
[19:09] <x-X-x> where does mozilla keep website passwords ??
[19:09] <venik> burning it was not difficult, but I failed in using it to install the new version as a fresh install-- it gagged on the bluethooth and simply stopped
[19:09] <sandro> genii: im shipping out in one day and i just want to be able to have everything updated
[19:09] <genii> What I said a few hours ago to you: sandro: Your best bet right now is just interrupt it, then add a different mirror that may not be so swamped as the main one onto your sources instead of the main one
[19:09] <venik> I do not even have any bluetooth devices
[19:09] <dave11> venik: i think there promise of getting it out on time caused problems
[19:09] <sandro> genii: im sorry im a total newb how do i interrupt and add a different mirror
[19:10] <venik> I guess so... it is a disaster for me
[19:10] <sandro> genii: ive only had ubuntu for a month and a half
[19:10] <dave11> venik: me to.. im waiting along time to update
[19:10] <genii> sandro: So you are using right now the updater which was on your bar next to the clock?
[19:10] <sandro> yes
[19:11] <sandro> it was updating last night and when i woke up it was still at 83%
[19:12] <dave11> sandro: the servers are jammed
[19:12] <becky_> sandro: it is due to a huge amount of people doing this at the same time...
[19:12] <venik> sorry to say this, but I am glad I have an XP machine working, otherwise I'll be high and dry
[19:13] <dave11> venik: I am sticking with 7.10 foer awhile
[19:13] <venik> but now I have a mixture-- half 8.04 and half 7.10
[19:13] <venik> this is not professional
[19:13] <xanax`> hello
[19:13] <dave11> venik: sorry to hear that
[19:13] <genii> sandro: OK. So to halt it, do:  ctrl-alt-esc   then put the X on it and click.   Then open up the program Konsole.From there we need to do some other things to clean out the pid file and so on. Let me know when the updater has been killed and when you have opened Konsole
[19:14] <venik> is doing:  sudo dpkg --configure -a  dangerous?
[19:14] <bleaked> is the preferred way of loading emerald in hardy to make a script in ~/.kde/Autostart ?
[19:15] <xanax`> how can I install kde 4 alongside kde 3 (without getting rid of kde 3) ?
[19:15] <bleaked> xanax`: install the regular kde3 kubuntu, then install the kde4 packages from the repos
[19:15] <genii> !aptfix
[19:15] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[19:16] <dave11> venik: what i do when a new version comes out  is download the live cd and see id it works first before commiting to a full install
[19:16] <venik> wise man
[19:17] <venik> I guess I was gullible
[19:17] <venik> "The UBUNTU team is proud to announce"... etc
[19:17] <dave11> venik: lessons learned.. thats what its about
[19:17] <venik> why doesn't the live cd let me reformat my disk?
[19:18] <JackWinter> hmm, can i setup kde to use esd ?
[19:18] <venik> do I need to use the alternate cd for that?
[19:18] <genii> sandro: So in Konsole to do what the bot suggests. eg: sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a                                 Then we need to alter the sources.list file to look at a new place for updates.
[19:18] <themumbler> hey becky....
[19:18] <spatry> Hi
[19:18] <spatry> can I have persisten home with kubuntu live cd?
[19:18] <linuxguymarshall> I am having trouble upgrading to 8.04. I realise I am probably the 1,000,000th person to ask this today but I need help
[19:18] <spatry> 8.04?
[19:18] <dave11> venik: ino the alternate cd is for install only
[19:18] <flipstar> linuxguymarshall: trouble ..?
[19:18] <spatry> tried casper-rw with "persistent" option at boot with no luck :(
[19:19] <linuxguymarshall> flipstar:I keep getting a error where I cant download the upgrade manager
[19:19] <themumbler> dave11: i just figured out how to install the dvd with wubi.
[19:20] <dave11> themumbler: well you know more than me..  id be careful ive heard alot of problems about 8.04
[19:21] <flipstar> linuxguymarshall: try changing the mirror in adept if its a server issue
[19:21] <genii> sandro: For that, we do: alt-f2               then: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list                                   then replace in there wherever it has archive.ubuntu.com     with something like us.archive.ubuntu.com         or ca.archive.ubuntu.com     or <yourcountrycodehere>.archive.ubuntu.com            then save the changes. Then go back to the Konsole and put:     sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[19:21] <linuxguymarshall> flipstar:Ok
[19:21] <themumbler> dave11: grab the wubi installer from wubi-installer.org
[19:21] <dave11> themumbler: id try yhe live cd first
[19:21] <flipstar> genii: it's much easier using adept :)
[19:21] <genii> Someone please dblcheck my instructions if they are good or no
[19:22] <genii> flipstar: Step in if you like :)
[19:22] <linuxguymarshall> Flipstar:It just started to work
[19:22] <themumbler> move the exe to the same folder as the iso. when you start the installer, it will automatically recognize the iso and offer it in the dropdown box.
[19:22] <dave11> themumbler: or dvd in your case
[19:23] <genii> flipstar: I give wm-agnostic instructions (except for gui editor) so that same instructions could apply equally well for Ubuntu Kubuntu Xubuntu     etc etc
[19:23] <xanax`> bleaked : (about installing kde 4 alongside kde 3), ...  won't it erase kde 3 if I apt-get install kde 4 from the repositories ?
[19:23] <flipstar> genii: thats wise :) but this here is the kubuntu channel ;)
[19:25] <flipstar> xanax`: no you'll keep kde3 and can choose between both in the login manager
[19:25] <xanax`> cool
[19:26] <dave11> themumbler: yeah i run linux on a seperate system
[19:28] <Tailsfan> Hello There
[19:29] <Tailsfan> 1. Can you install Kubuntu to the Hard Drive via Jumpdrive and 2.are they're any GUI programs for mounting ISOs on Kubuntu?
[19:29] <dick> Hi, anybody here having trouble with the online update to 8.04?
[19:30] <flipstar> Tailsfan: 1.what's Jumpdrive ? 2.yes >gisomount
[19:30] <Tailsfan> Jumpdrive = Flash Drive, USB Stick
[19:30] <flipstar> sure you can install on a usb stick
[19:31] <Tailsfan> OK
[19:31] <flipstar> !install | details here
[19:31] <ubotu> details here: Ubuntu can be installed in a lot of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall. Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[19:31] <Tailsfan> because I;m extracting the KDE4 Remix to my USB Stick as I type
[19:31] <venik> is tehre ANYWAY to format my disk>
[19:32] <Tailsfan> I also have to go and get bcm43xx-fwcutter
[19:32] <flipstar> venik: what the prob ?
[19:32] <vadrao> Hi all, in Kubuntu Hardy I cannot configure any external panels I add. I think it is a bug and about to file a bug report if you could confirm it too. I am using KDE 3.5.
[19:32] <venik> simply tell me how to format my hard drive, so I could do a clean install of this stable, user friendly OS
[19:32] <flipstar> venik: use qtparted or so
[19:33] <trait> can anyone help with an hda-intel problem on hardy?
[19:34] <trait> cant start alsamixer
[19:34] <Tailsfan> Kubuntu doesn't use ALSA I think
[19:34] <Tailsfan> I think it uses something else
[19:34] <mefisto__> of course it does
[19:34] <trait> oh
[19:34] <trait> so.
[19:35] <annma> hello people
[19:35] <trait> what does it use?
[19:35] <Tailsfan> Hey annma
[19:35] <annma> I have a translation issue where a "BROKEN TRANSLATION" message appears
[19:35] <flipstar> vadrao: you can't configure the second kicker ?
[19:35] <annma> is that a Ubuntu thing?
[19:36] <vadrao> flipstar @
[19:36] <vadrao> flipstar @ Yes
[19:36] <trait> what uses kubuntu instead of alsa?
[19:36] <Tailsfan> JaCK I think
[19:36] <mefisto__> trait: it does use alsa
[19:37] <vadrao> I am not sure if this is problem with my installation or a general bug..So just need some kind of a confirmation from you all.. Thanks
[19:37] <flipstar> vadrao: did you already restarted kicker since you added it ?
[19:37] <trait> so. mefisto, can you tell me, why alsamixer says
[19:37] <trait> ALSA lib simple_none.c:1738:(simple_add1) helem (MIXER,'Headphone Playback Switch',0,2,0) appears twice or more
[19:37] <trait> alsamixer: function snd_mixer_load failed: Invalid argument
[19:37] <Tailsfan> I also wish that compiling the ralink drivers are possible for me
[19:37] <trait> Tailsfan for what module?
[19:38] <Berzerker> anyone here experienced in installing on a Macbook Pro?
[19:38] <dick> Tailsfan, I agree about ralink.  Can't put Kubuntu on my laptor cuz of that.
[19:38] <Tailsfan> rt2570, as in the Nintendo Wi-Fi USB Connector
[19:38] <trait> Oo
[19:38] <flipstar> vadrao: after you restarted kicker a drop down box should appear
[19:38] <vadrao> flipstar : Well, I did not do that. I am not sure how I can restart it also.  I have the KDE kicker by default. Now I add another panel. I can right click and I get options and all. But when I change the size of it then all it does is change the size of the main panel.. not the new one I created
[19:40] <Tailsfan> when I ran Ubuntu, I had some gibberish Build Error
[19:40] <mefisto__> trait: I'm not too sure about kde4. you might have better luck in #kubuntu-kde4
[19:41] <vadrao> flipstar : Thanks a lot.. That trick worked
[19:41] <trait> ah
[19:41] <flipstar> vadrao: yes..you need to restart kicker to get a menu where you can select the kicker you want to edit
[19:41] <trait> thanks
[19:41] <flipstar> vadrao: nice :)
[19:41] <vadrao> I restarted it and now I can change the options
[19:41] <vadrao> Thank you very much
[19:41] <budgieboy> Hi
[19:41] <budgieboy> How do i update?
[19:41] <jussi01> !ubpgrade
[19:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubpgrade - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:42] <jussi01> !upgrade
[19:42] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[19:42] <budgieboy> Cheers
[19:42] <trait> mefisto__
[19:42] <trait> but do you know what this alsamixer output means?
[19:42] <seclein> hi, how do i install the nvidia drver in kubuntu hardy? the restricted driver manager isn't showing up
[19:42] <seclein> i have all the repos enabled
[19:44] <bleaked> seclein: in K menu, under System, then Hardware Drivers Manager
[19:44] <seclein> bleaked: i don't see that in the system settings
[19:45] <bleaked> it's in the K menu, not system settings
[19:45] <bleaked> apparently it moved.. *shrug*
[19:45] <seclein> bleaked: ah, ok, thanks!
[19:48] <budgieboy> Hi, I got The sims 2 and all it's expansions working, how do I get it to a higher resolution?
[19:49] <bleaked> budgieboy: with what, wine?
[19:50] <budgieboy> no, some other pogram I made myself
[19:50] <budgieboy> same thing though
[19:51] <mefisto__> *groan*
[19:51] <unix_infidel> is a dist-upgrade from 8.04 beta to final not recommended?
[19:51] <maduser> what?
[19:51] <maduser> I had no problems
[19:51] <budgieboy> W-Hat?
[19:51] <jussio1> !beta
[19:51] <test> Can somebody help: Konqueror is not online (everything else is ok *g*), always shows: An error occurred while loading http://www.google.de: for example. its a fresh hardy kde3 installation (kubuntu)
[19:51] <ubotu> If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Hardy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[19:52] <FrauHansen> am i the only one with no version-upgrade button in the adept manager?
[19:52] <maduser> did you follow the instructions on the site>
[19:52] <maduser> did you follow the instructions on the site?
[19:52] <budgieboy> I made my own distro
[19:52] <budgieboy> still making it
[19:53] <FrauHansen> maduser: of course
[19:53] <budgieboy> it's managed to run the sims 2 and all its expansions
[19:53] <jackault> FrauHansen: I don't have one either
[19:53] <jackault> FrauHansen: But it's irrlevant, just get the alternate cd and upgrade.
[19:53] <vadrao> FrauHansen : try clicking on "fetch updates" and then see if the version-upgrade button is activated or not
[19:53] <budgieboy> It's called Avary Linux
[19:53] <flipstar> kicker crashed..so how do i get my programs back ? like ktorrent ? it just says already running..
[19:53] <jussio1> !ot | budgieboy
[19:53] <ubotu> budgieboy: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[19:53] <FrauHansen> vadrao: already did this 3 times
[19:54] <mefisto__> budgieboy: get help at #budgie-linux
[19:54] <budgieboy> lol
[19:54] <neon> help can't access e-sata, hd gets recognized once i plug it, but no files show once i click on it
[19:54] <maduser> flipstar: alt-f2: kicker
[19:54] <FuSiON2> has anbody else update problems? map apt-get always stops somewhere in the middle of getting the headers
[19:54] <test> Can somebody help: Konqueror is not online (everything else is ok *g*), always shows: An error occurred while loading http://www.google.de: for example. its a fresh hardy kde3 installation (kubuntu)
[19:54] <FrauHansen> jackault: got the iso, but no empty cd to burn it on xD
[19:54] <flipstar> maduser: it's running but i dont see ktorrent anywhere
[19:54] <jussio1> FuSiON2: the repos are slow/down because of te version release
[19:54] <budgieboy> told ya, my budgie linux
[19:54] <jussio1> !repeat | test
[19:54] <ubotu> test: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com  http://wiki.ubuntu.com http://www.ubuntuforums.org or http://www.kubuntuforums.net while you wait. Also see !patience
[19:55] <vadrao> FrauHansen: That either means that you are running the latest and do not need to do a version upgrade..
[19:55] <FuSiON2> jussi01: thank, I'll wait then :)
[19:55] <test> oh i would... but with no running konqueror... sorry for repeating
[19:55] <jussio1> :)
[19:55] <flipstar> FuSiON2: wait..or change the mirror ;)
[19:55] <FrauHansen> vadrao: erm, i don't think so. i'm still on gutsy
[19:56] <ubuntu__> hi all
[19:56] <flipstar> FrauHansen: just use the update-manager
[19:56] <budgieboy> try out my #budgie-linux
[19:56] <neon> help can't access e-sata, hd gets recognized once i plug it, but when i click on it it says "system policy prevents mounting external media" how can i fix that
[19:56] <jussio1> budgieboy: please dont spam that any more :)
[19:56] <budgieboy> root
[19:56] <FrauHansen> flipstar: is that save on Kubuntu?
[19:56] <flipstar> sure
[19:57] <flipstar> i think they even recommend update-manager
[19:57] <budgieboy> full upgrade timez!
[19:57] <kubuntu> my computer locksup when i go to web sites with flash
[19:57] <jackault> wow I keep getting the error neon mentioned when I connect an external drive to my gutsy. You could find a way to mount it in if you go to the control panel and click the advacned tab, there in teh device manager your drives will be listed, enable it fron there.
[19:57] <budgieboy> get flash then
[19:57] <jussio1> !flash | kubuntu
[19:57] <ubotu> kubuntu: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[19:58] <kubuntu> I have adobe flash
[19:58] <vadrao> FrauHansen : By the way you have to follow the instrucions on kubuntu.org to upgrade..https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades/Kubuntu
[19:58] <kubuntu> and hady kubuntu
[19:59] <jussio1> kubuntu: on konq or firefox?
[19:59] <budgieboy> im upgrading now
[19:59] <kubuntu> both
[19:59] <jackault> neon I'm sorry I meant look in "system settings" and under the advanced tab look for "disk and filesystems" assuming they didn't change the names in hardy
[19:59] <FrauHansen> vadrao: i wouldn't be here if that process worked for me^^
[19:59] <kubuntu> firefox crashes
[19:59] <kubuntu> and some times locksup
[19:59] <jussio1> kubuntu: curious.  there was a bug sometime back with that on fire fox...
[19:59] <mefisto__> kubuntu: all sites with flash? or just some?
[19:59] <kubuntu> all
[20:00] <jussio1> !fffc | kubuntu
[20:00] <ubotu> kubuntu: If Firefox is crashing on sites using Flash try adding "export XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1" to /etc/firefox/firefoxrc (ref: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/14911 )
[20:00] <budgieboy> java maybe?
[20:00] <test> hm
[20:00] <chrisrogers> help me
[20:00] <budgieboy> dont listen to the robot, its out to get you
[20:00] <kubuntu> ill try that
[20:00] <vadrao> FrauHansen : Can you install any other s/w at all ?
[20:00] <FrauHansen> vadrao: step 3 is the point. how am i supposed to click a button when it's not there
[20:01] <chrisrogers> i'm having problems with Kubuntu 8.04
[20:01] <maduser> what?
[20:01] <FrauHansen> vadrao: what is s/w ?
[20:01] <vadrao> FrauHansen : software
[20:01] <budgieboy> it is there
[20:01] <chrisrogers> after installing compiz and the advanced settings and emerald i can't log out or shut down
[20:01] <chrisrogers> i've tried everything on the web
[20:01] <FrauHansen> vadrao: yep
[20:02] <budgieboy> it's in the top right
[20:02] <budgieboy> click adept
[20:02] <chrisrogers> adept manager?
[20:02] <budgieboy> ye
[20:02] <budgieboy> theres a thing in the top left
[20:02] <flipstar> chrisrogers: so what happens if you type shutdown in a shell ?
[20:03] <budgieboy> "adept" in adept manager
[20:03] <chrisrogers> ok
[20:03] <budgieboy> click manage repositories
[20:03] <chrisrogers> ok
[20:03] <kubuntu> ubotu i have firefox 3b5 /ect/firefox/firefoxxrc dose not exist
[20:03] <chrisrogers> i like synaptic better lol
[20:03] <chrisrogers> ok now what
[20:03] <budgieboy> clcik updates tab
[20:03] <chrisrogers> ok
[20:03] <chrisrogers> now what
[20:03] <jussio1> !bot > kubuntu
[20:03] <budgieboy> tick recommended updated and pre release
[20:03] <jussio1> !enter | chrisrogers
[20:03] <ubotu> chrisrogers: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[20:04] <vadrao> FrauHansen:  type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a Konsole to upgrade then
[20:04] <vadrao> the traditional way
[20:04] <budgieboy> then clcik reload
[20:04] <chrisrogers> ok, now what?
[20:04] <kubuntu> the bot was just talking to me a second ago
[20:04] <budgieboy> reload, let it do its stuff and when its done on adept there will be a full upgrade button
[20:05] <jussio1> kubuntu: yes, I made it talk to you :)
[20:05] <chrisrogers> so that will fix it?
[20:05] <budgieboy> I wear a mgnet around my neck, the bot cant help me
[20:05] <budgieboy> or talk to me
[20:05] <kubuntu> ok jussio i have firefox 3b5 /ect/firefox/firefoxxrc dose not exist
[20:06] <chrisrogers> man the servers are bogged down lol
[20:06] <budgieboy> The latest update will turn your kubuntu hard
[20:06] <jussio1> kubuntu: yeah, as I saisd the bug is a bit old - it may not be applicable any more. did you just install flash?
[20:06] <budgieboy> lol
[20:06] <flipstar> kubuntu: its /etc/firefox-3.0/firefoxrc
[20:06] <budgieboy> hardy hard
[20:06] <chrisrogers> will this also fix gnome, i'm having the same problem there
[20:06] <budgieboy> maybe
[20:06] <chrisrogers> i have gnome installed too, don't like it as much tho
[20:07] <budgieboy> use KDE
[20:07] <budgieboy> FTW
[20:07] <chrisrogers> i can't get it on the wireless network
[20:07] <kubuntu> yeah i installed nonfree flash from adept
[20:07] <freddy> COMO ME CAMBIO A ESPAÑÑOL
[20:07] <Odd-rationale> !es | freddy
[20:07] <ubotu> freddy: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[20:08] <chrisrogers> had to use ndiswrapper to install the windows xp driver for my Atheros AR5008X
[20:08] <chrisrogers> oh great
[20:08] <chrisrogers> no full upgrade button
[20:08] <budgieboy> oh rly?
[20:08] <chrisrogers> yea
[20:08] <chrisrogers> go figure
[20:08] <budgieboy> you did something wrong
[20:08] <budgieboy> but like you said, this is LINUX!
[20:08] <chrisrogers> that's my luck
[20:09] <budgieboy> yep LINUX
[20:09] <flipstar> btw is there a way to load /bin and /usr/bin at startup into /dev/shm ?
[20:09] <budgieboy> get suse, it's already done
[20:09] <budgieboy> Suse is the most stable and complete of all
[20:09] <chrisrogers> i like kubuntu
[20:09] <budgieboy> Since its the main linux of all
[20:09] <chrisrogers> KDE rocks
[20:09] <budgieboy> KDe is suse
[20:09] <budgieboy> suse is hte main linux
[20:09] <chrisrogers> and i want to use compiz and emerald
[20:09] <budgieboy> same
[20:09] <chrisrogers> oh
[20:09] <budgieboy> Suse is the mother Linux
[20:09] <jussio1> !ot | budgieboy
[20:09] <ubotu> budgieboy: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[20:10] <chrisrogers> can i install Suse using wubi?
[20:10] <stdin> budgieboy: keep your personal opinion of which distro is best to yourself
[20:10] <Lynoure> chrisrogers: ask about it on #suse?
[20:10] <budgieboy> I dunno, you best buy a DVD packed with programs and stuff
[20:10] <chrisrogers> i don't buy anything :D
[20:10] <Trel> In hardy, ksynaptics isn't in the repositories. What's the best alternative to that program?
[20:11] <budgieboy> But in terms of Ose's its really Windows, Max and Suse Linux
[20:11] <dwidmann> Trel: qsynaptics, touchfreeze
[20:11] <Trel> dwidmann, I'll check out qsynaptics, it sounds familiar
[20:11] <dwidmann> Trel: come to think of it, qsynaptics was obsoleted too
[20:11] <chrisrogers> anybody else have a possible fix for my problem?
[20:11] <budgieboy> hmm to much offtopic
[20:12] <Trel> dwidmann, if that's the case, which is the most current?
[20:12] <Odd-rationale> chrisrogers: are you running 7.10?
[20:12] <chrisrogers> Black screen on logout/shutdown after installing compiz, settings-manager, and emerald
[20:12] <chrisrogers> no
[20:12] <chrisrogers> 8.04
[20:12] <dwidmann> Trel: you'll need to build touch freeze from source, and it's not as flexible ..... but it works and it was written by the person who wrote qsynaptics and ksynaptics (he discontinued them in favor of this new one though)
[20:13] <Odd-rationale> chrisrogers: what was your problem? no full upgrade button in adept?
[20:13] <chrisrogers> no
[20:13] <chrisrogers> Black screen on logout/shutdown after installing compiz, settings-manager, and emerald
[20:13] <Trel> touchfreeze isn't in repositories then? (was ksynaptics the one with the ability to redefine edges)?
[20:13] <Odd-rationale> chrisrogers: running the kde 3.5.9 version I assume?
[20:13] <chrisrogers> i guess
[20:14] <budgieboy> chris use "lsb_release -a" in konsole
[20:14] <budgieboy> tells you your version
[20:14] <neon> ok i am making progress, but everytime i turn the e-sata hd on i have to type "mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /E-SATA -0 force" how can i get around doing that everytime?
[20:14] <chrisrogers> 3.5.9 yea
[20:14] <nosrednaekim> neon: systemsettings->advanced->disks and partitions
[20:14] <chrisrogers> please help :D
[20:15] <Odd-rationale> chrisrogers: so when you try to end your kde session it black screens and hangs there?
[20:15] <chrisrogers> yep
[20:15] <Odd-rationale> chrisrogers: does it do that only when you try to end kde session with compiz running?
[20:15] <neon> i'm there i can access the files now , just have to type that command everytime i turn the external hd on, let me play with the settings a bit more
[20:15] <chrisrogers> nope, anytime
[20:15] <chrisrogers> now
[20:16] <Odd-rationale> chrisrogers: even if you turn compix off and use kwin?
[20:16] <Odd-rationale> *compiz
[20:16] <chrisrogers> yep
[20:16] <mattchew_> I installed kubuntu 8.04 yesterday, but I can't seem to download anything from the official ubuntu/kubuntu repositories
[20:16] <budgieboy> even when tux is raping suse?
[20:16] <Odd-rationale> !slow | mattchew_
[20:16] <ubotu> mattchew_: The Ubuntu repositories and ISO mirrors are currently under heavy load due to the release of the latest edition. Please consider using !torrents to download ISO images, and be patient with APT updates.
[20:16] <mattchew_> thx
[20:16] <vadrao> chrisrogers: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/181343
[20:16] <karl_> thx for the kick on budg
[20:17] <freddy_> ESPAÑOL
[20:17] <vadrao> chrisrogers: It could be a bug
[20:17] <stdin> !es | freddy_
[20:17] <ubotu> freddy_: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[20:17] <nosrednaekim> matthew_: go into adept->manage repositories and enable them all
[20:17] <nosrednaekim> matthew_: or the mirrors might just be really really slow
[20:18] <xst> Are repositories really slow currently?
[20:18] <Odd-rationale> chrisrogers: are you sure compiz is off? (do alt+f2 and type in "kwin --replace")
[20:18] <genii> Too bad source-o-matic isn't around anymore. We could refer ppl with slow updates there to find their local mirrors instead of hammering the main one
[20:18] <xst> Can I somehow make my gutsy->hardy upgrade use another mirror?
[20:19] <Odd-rationale> xst: open adept and go to Adept-->manage repositories
[20:19] <vadrao> xst : Yes, you can change those settings in adept-manager
[20:19] <chrisrogers> brb guys
[20:19] <Ketrel> would it still be safe to install ksynaptics?
[20:19] <Ketrel> manually
[20:20] <Odd-rationale> xst: then under download from, choose other in the dropdown box
[20:20] <nosrednaekim> Ketrel: if you can find a deb for hardy
[20:20] <angasule> ubotu's Spanish message is kind of broken, language names are not capitalised in Spanish, plus "para español" makes no sense (verb missing)
[20:20] <JackWinter> hm, running a wine application (2:nd life), uses alsa for output.  how do i get that to share sound server with kde/amarok ?
[20:20] <nosrednaekim> para habla en espanol?
[20:20] <xst> Odd-rationale: Great! Thanks!!!
[20:20] <stdin> angasule: you can send in a replacement request, do /msg ubotu no es is ...
[20:21] <Odd-rationale> xst: np
[20:21] <nosrednaekim> genii: or it should automaticcally detect the best mirror on upgrades.
[20:21] <angasule> stdin: where do I send it?
[20:22] <jussi01> angasule: it will send its sellf if you pm ubotu
[20:22] <genii> nosrednaekim: Yes, that would be the most elegant solution. Along with diff download instead of complete new packages every time.
[20:22] <stdin> angasule: when you do "/msg ubotu no es is <some reply>" it'll be sent to the editors
[20:22] <nosrednaekim> genii: I still like the idea of torrenting a tar of common packges
[20:22] <nosrednaekim> :)
[20:22] <neon> ok i got it working thanks
[20:22] <genii> hmm
[20:22] <angasule> oh, the bot said something to that effect already in a pm (I guess I triggered it somehow)
[20:23] <chrisrogers> well that didn't work
[20:23] <Odd-rationale> chrisrogers: "kwin --replace" ?
[20:23] <chrisrogers> tried it
[20:23] <neon> on an ASUS laptop does the webcam (bisoncam) works under kubuntu?
[20:23] <chrisrogers> didn't work
[20:23] <mefisto__> does anyone ever get ktorrent freezing, or disappearing, or not starting up?
[20:24] <JackWinter> or is it possible to setup kde/amarok to use esd ?
[20:24] <jussio1> angasule: when you say to the bot something is something, it sends it to the editors.
[20:24] <vadrao>  chrisrogers: I thinkthat could be a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/181343
[20:24] <vadrao> Check it out
[20:24] <mattchew_> I have kubuntu 8.04 installed, but I also have the disk for ubuntu 8.04 (both are i386).  I want to try and install firefox from the ubuntu disk, but when I add the disk in adept and fetch updates, I can't find any new packages.  Sugestions (other than torrenting the tars)?
[20:24] <Odd-rationale> chrisrogers: try this. In order to log out. Just do ctrl+alt+bksp instead....
[20:24] <Odd-rationale> jk
[20:24] <chrisrogers> tried ctrl+alt+bksp
[20:24] <kunal_> hi, in KDE4, how does one delete a file on the desktop?
[20:24] <Odd-rationale> chrisrogers: did that bring you to kdm?
[20:24] <chrisrogers> no
[20:25] <nosrednaekim> mattchew_: unless its the alternate installer, you can't do that
[20:25] <Odd-rationale> kunal_: right-click --> del
[20:25] <mattchew_> thx
[20:25] <kunal_> there is no delete option on right click and 'Remove Icon' doesn't delete the file
[20:25] <chrisrogers> it exits kdm and and blackscreens again
[20:25] <kunal_> Odd-rationale: there is no del on right-click in my KDE4
[20:26] <Odd-rationale> kunal_: hmm. try del on your keyboard?
[20:26] <Odd-rationale> chrisrogers: it only did this after you installed compiz?
[20:26] <nosrednaekim> kunal_: you have to delete them from within dolphin
[20:26] <chrisrogers> more like emerald
[20:26] <vadrao> chrisrogers @ did you read my messages above ?
[20:27] <chrisrogers> yes, i read it vadrao and it's not that
[20:27] <vadrao> You should have acknowledged it then ?
[20:27] <Odd-rationale> chrisrogers: tried uninstalling and see if the problem persists?
[20:27] <kunal_> nosrednaekim: that seems very odd. it breaks the usual behavior
[20:27] <nosrednaekim> chrisrogers: so kdm is blackscreening whenever you log out?
[20:27] <chrisrogers> yes
[20:27] <chrisrogers> i have to do a hard shutdown
[20:28] <chrisrogers> even tried a fix online editing kdmrc
[20:28] <chrisrogers> didn't work either
[20:28] <chrisrogers> its about to drive me crazy
[20:28] <SlimeyPete> h
[20:28] <chrisrogers> i love compiz, and emerald but yea
[20:28] <nosrednaekim> chrisrogers: ok, what you do is somewhere in your /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc there is a "TerminateServer=True" un comment it
[20:28] <nosrednaekim> chrisrogers: its the ati drivers?
[20:28] <chrisrogers> yea i tried that
[20:29] <chrisrogers> yes, ati drivers
[20:29] <nosrednaekim> that fixed it for me in gutsy
[20:29] <chrisrogers> flgrx
[20:29] <chrisrogers> fglrx**
[20:29] <nosrednaekim> chrisrogers: yeah... I think its happening here, but I never shut down or reboot (always just suspend) so its not bother ing me
[20:29] <mwe> when I "safely remove" ad thumb drive I get a warning "The device was safely unmounted but could not be ejected". of course it can't eject something from the usb port. can you prevent that message?
[20:29] <chrisrogers> i can't even do that
[20:29] <Odd-rationale> nosrednaekim: lol nice solution... :)
[20:29] <chrisrogers> when i suspend, it shuts off, but when i try to start back up it don't
[20:30] <mefisto__> in konversation, up-arrow doesn't bring back previous messages. Is there a setting for this somewhere?
[20:30] <nosrednaekim> chrisrogers: ok, lets try to debug this then.,... let me do some searching
[20:30] <chrisrogers> besides i'm dual booting vista so i can't do that anyway
[20:30] <chrisrogers> btw.. just for everyone's information, wubi ROCKS!!!
[20:31] <chrisrogers> sorry random comment
[20:31] <capcom> hi. i noticed that there seems not to be any package "xmms" any more in adept.. i found several plugin packages, but not the player itself. instead of that i have many xmms2 packages. where has xmms gone?
[20:31] <nzk> Should I restart after a dist-upgrade?
[20:32] <stdin> XMMS2 is a redesign of the XMMS music player
[20:32] <stdin> nzk: only to boot into the new kernel, it's not urgently required or anything
[20:32] <karl_> what is wubi?
[20:32] <stdin> wubi is a silly name
[20:32] <stdin> !wubi
[20:32] <karl_> for..?
[20:32] <ubotu> wubi is Wubi advice here: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=234  and  http://wubi-installer.org  [file wubi bugs here:  https://launchpad.net/wubi/+filebug ] (it is included in hardy 8.04 beta CD and will be in the final release)
[20:33] <karl_> thank you sir
[20:33] <Daisuke_Laptop> stdin: i don't think any of us can say much about silly names
[20:33] <TeslaTony> Every time I try playing something in MPlayer, I get "AO: [pulse] Failed to connect to server: Connection refused."   Specifically Intel PRO wireless?
[20:35] <Daisuke_Laptop> erm
[20:35] <TeslaTony> chrisrogers: Nope. Already there. You came here of your own free will
[20:35] <Viper> if i install kubuntu from Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 4, can i install kde3.5 as well as kde4?
[20:35] <Daisuke_Laptop> slowpoke: nopw, intel 4965 here
[20:35] <chrisrogers> not that, my problem
[20:35] <nosrednaekim> Viper: yes
[20:36] <slowpoke> daisuke_laptop: what do you mean?
[20:36] <capcom> stdin: is there a way to get the old xmms interface back? the new one looks very much like amarok. i always preferred this small winamp-like design
[20:37] <chrisrogers> oops
[20:37] <stdin> if it's skinable I guess, I don't use xmms/2 so I'm not sure
[20:38] <Viper> do i just install the kubuntu-desktop package to get kde3? and won't that cause problems if at one point kde3 is replaced by kde4?
[20:38] <slowpoke> daisuke_laptop: My wireless works (sometimes), but the Intel PRO wireless no longer shows up in Restricted Drivers and the wireless LED light doesn't come on any more... was there an open-source alternative ?
[20:38] <nosrednaekim> Viper: yep, thats fine
[20:38] <chrisrogers> nosrednaekim: any luck?
[20:39] <thubuntos> hallo ist in hardy schon eine Latex Distribution?
[20:40] <nosrednaekim> chrisrogers: nope, seems the only solution is "TerimateServer=True
[20:40] <TeslaTony> !de | thubuntos
[20:40] <ubotu> thubuntos: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[20:40] <chrisrogers> well how come it's not working, i added it where they say to add it
[20:40] <mefisto__> konversation doesn't seem to bring back previously typed messages with up-arrow. Is there a setting somewhere for this?
[20:41] <nosrednaekim> chrisrogers: that might not work for Xorg 7.3
[20:41] <stdin> mefisto__: do you have the multi-line edit on?
[20:41] <chrisrogers> nosrednaekim: idk maybe not
[20:41] <stdin> mefisto__: if so, try shift-up
[20:41] <nosrednaekim> chrisrogers: apparently... not :)
[20:41] <genii> stdin: Nice call
[20:41] <chrisrogers> nosrednaekim: i've looked up the problem explicitly for Kubuntu 8.04 and that's what i keep getting
[20:41] <mefisto__> stdin: thanks, I'll try turning it off
[20:42] <nosrednaekim> really? for 8.04? link please?
[20:42] <chrisrogers> i guess i'm going to uninstall emerald and compiz
[20:43] <mefisto__> stdin: thanks, that did it (but shift-up doesn't work either)
[20:43] <slowpoke> also, "ctrl + del" no longer works to delete files!!!
[20:43] <stdin> mefisto__: it's something, shift or ctrl. I just can't remember which (you'll probably be told in #konversation when someone reads your message)
[20:44] <JackWinter> why was there no pulse in kubuntu ?
[20:44] <chrisrogers> nosrednaekim: i'm going to reinstall fglrx
[20:44] <stdin> slowpoke: ctrl-del? I always thought it was shift-del to delete (permanently)
[20:44] <slowpoke> stdin: yeah, my fault; Shift+Del doesn't work
[20:45] <slowpoke> does it work for others on Hardy?
[20:46] <nosrednaekim> chrisrogers: ok
[20:46] <stdin> slowpoke: I'm in kde4, and it works here
[20:47] <mefisto__> is there any advantage to using the gui upgrade tool rather than dist-upgrade? The gui tool has failed me on 2 machines so far. Will dist-upgrade do the same upgrade?
[20:47] <slowpoke> stdin: i found a bug report for it- it seems to affect Acer laptops.  And its the Delete key in general thats not responding... looking for a fix now
[20:47] <slowpoke> stdin: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hotkey-setup/+bug/181057
[20:48] <Viper> O.o
[20:48] <Viper> tell me if ya find one..
[20:48] <Viper> just about to install it on my acer laptop..
[20:49] <stdin> mefisto__: dist-upgrade will probably break things, use the GUI or the command line tool "do-release-upgrade" (from the update-manager-core package)
[20:49] <nosrednaekim> Viper: my acer works fine... don't worry ;)
[20:50] <Viper> ahh kk ^^
[20:50] <Odd-rationale> Is there a way to disable internet access for a guest account?
[20:50] <slowpoke> viper: it looks like its model-dependent: Extensas 5220 and 5620 (mine) seem to all be effected.
[20:50] <nosrednaekim> Odd-rationale: yeah... I think there is probably a "net" group
[20:51] <Odd-rationale> nosrednaekim: cheers!. let me try..
[20:52] <Viper> well  untill now i ve been using debian etch, but i couldn't take the driver problems anymore (sound, graphics,wireless) which is the main reason i m switching...
[20:52] <nosrednaekim> Odd-rationale: dial-out or netdev
[20:52] <Viper> so not really eager for a new set of driver issues..
[20:53] <nosrednaekim> Viper: one doesn't use Laptops for Driver ease ;P
[20:53] <Odd-rationale> nosrednaekim: ok
[20:53] <chrisrogers_> well nosrednaekim: still nothing
[20:54] <Viper> i m beginning to realize that...
[20:55] <slowpoke> Found a fix for the Delete-Key issue that affects some Acer Laptop models: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8092/
[20:55] <mefisto__> stdin: so using the gui should do the same as do-release-upgrade?
[20:55] <stdin> yes
[20:56] <landr0cks23> any admins that can help me ?
[20:56] <landr0cks23> or anyone for that matter
[20:57] <xenol> hello, i would like to ask if is there some wiki on how to install kubuntu from alternate cd
[20:57] <tro> if i've got an installation cd for Gutsy and I'm trying to update to Hardy from Feisty, should i just use the cds to update, and not rely on the network?
[20:57] <mefisto__> I often get ktorrent freezing, or disappearing, or not starting up.  Can't get it going again without rebooting.
[20:57] <tro> or are there some new packages that i need to update to while in gutsy to get to hardy?
[20:57] <Odd-rationale> nosrednaekim: hmm. but by default, no one is part of the netdev group... :?
[20:57] <nosrednaekim> Odd-rationale: then do dial-out
[20:58] <slowpoke> tro: you can update using the GUI and it will download replacement packages for you, or you can install via the CD.  Either way.
[20:58] <tro> slowpoke: well, the mirrors are really slow right now
[20:58] <xenol> !wiki
[20:58] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu development documentation wiki. If you are looking for system help, please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community - the Ubuntu community documentation.
[20:58] <tro> i was just hoping to bypass the whole waiting part
[20:58] <slowpoke> tro: yeah, i know :/
[20:58] <Daisuke_Ido> tro, easiest way is to download the alternate cd via torrent and use it to upgrade
[20:59] <tro> Daisuke_Ido: okies
[20:59] <tro> thanks
[20:59] <slowpoke> tro: you can torrent the Hardy Dvd... yeah what Daisuke said :)
[20:59] <Daisuke_Ido> but only the alternate cd, unfortunately :)
[20:59] <Odd-rationale> nosrednaekim: strange, I have dial-out group on my kubuntu machine but not on my xubuntu machine...
[20:59] <slowpoke> daisuke_ido: they don't have a hardy dvd yet?
[20:59] <slowpoke> with all the extras?
[21:00] <Daisuke_Ido> they do
[21:00] <Daisuke_Ido> but i don't know if there's an alternate dvd
[21:00] <slowpoke> i see.
[21:00] <stdin> Daisuke_Ido: the DVD is both
[21:00] <Daisuke_Ido> if there's an alternate dvd, you can certainly use that to upgrade as well
[21:00] <nosrednaekim> Odd-rationale: maybe neither of those do it.
[21:01] <Daisuke_Ido> ah ha
[21:01] <Daisuke_Ido> now i see, thank you stdin
[21:01] <stdin> live and alternate all-in-one
[21:01] <landr0cks23> for some reason screenlets wont ever load it just starts to load and then closes .. i have the error message if anyone can help me
[21:02] <Odd-rationale> nosrednaekim: hmm. ok. i'll try to find some solution... THanks!
[21:03] <nosrednaekim> landr0cks23: you running compiz?
[21:09] <Pennycook> Firefox 3 beta 5 doesn't seem to remember default applications... is that a bug in it, or with Hardy?
[21:10] <Pennycook> cdpuk: Where on Hex be it?
[21:10] <cdpuk> Pennycook: /hex/files/kubuntu-8.04 ... and wrong network XD
[21:10] <Pennycook> Yeah, realised that. :(
[21:15] <Joeseph> alright, I'm not sure what is causing my problem, so I'll start here.    In kdm, in konquerer, anytime I go onto facebook, I get disconnected.
[21:16] <Joeseph> from my network that is,  KNetworkManager will still show I have connection for a while, but then it will go away.  The only way I can get it to restart and work again is to restart my computer
[21:16] <nosrednaekim> Joeseph: kdm?
[21:17] <nosrednaekim> Joeseph: no need to restart, "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart" should fix it fine (not that it is idea at all)
[21:17] <Joeseph> nosrednaekim: the default kubuntu desktop manager.  I don't think I have this problem in gnome, I'm not sure
[21:18] <nosrednaekim> KDE :)
[21:18] <Joeseph> I'll try soon, tell you what hapens
[21:18] <Joeseph> right, I was just....   wait, what's the E?
[21:18] <Seldaek> howdy, I was wondering how I could access the KDE configuration to get the dialog from when you install it manually, where it asks how to setup KDE defaults (windows like, OSX like, ..)
[21:18] <nosrednaekim> Seldaek: sudo apt-get install kpersonalizer"
[21:19] <Seldaek> thanks
[21:19] <nosrednaekim> Joeseph: K Desktop Environment
[21:19] <nosrednaekim> kdm is the login manager ;)
[21:19] <Joeseph> right....
[21:19] <Joeseph> thanks for the help
[21:19] <nosrednaekim> but anyway.
[21:19] <nosrednaekim> ... it shouldn't be doing that
[21:19] <nosrednaekim> does it work with firefox?
[21:26] <Joeseph> nosrednaekim: I"m not sure- I'll try  really fast
[21:26] <rachid> hello
[21:26] <Joeseph> oh, just so you know, I have no crazy configuration that blocks it as far as I know
[21:27] <nosredna_ekim> Joeseph: ok
[21:27] <Joeseph> Loading.... worked in firefox
[21:27] <wilman> Hey, guys
[21:27] <Joeseph> I'll try in konqueror again
[21:27] <wilman> i have a little problem and was wondering if you could help me
[21:28] <nosredna_ekim> wilman: ok
[21:28] <nosredna_ekim> ask
[21:28] <wilman> I have a dvd player in my comp, but it only detects cdroms not only movies it does'nt detect, but also other dvds
[21:28] <wilman> when i watch at local media, it says there is just no dvd in the drive
[21:29] <trait> kann mir wer mit dme neuen kernel und alsa helfen?
[21:29] <trait> sry
[21:29] <trait> can anyone help me with the new kernel and alsa
[21:29] <trait> ?
[21:29] <trait> alsamixer says
[21:29] <trait> se my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[21:29] <nosredna_ekim> !intelHDA
[21:29] <ubotu> For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[21:29] <trait> the sound is on, but much to quiet
[21:30] <nosredna_ekim> trait: turn up everything in your mixer
[21:30] <Ketrel> Ok, I have a question, I looked at touchfreeze, and it doesn't seem to let you re-define the margins of the touchpad, is there anything in the repositories that can do that?
[21:30] <trait> mixer doesnt start anyway
[21:30] <karl_> trait, in a console type alsamixer
[21:30] <nosredna_ekim> and right click on the mixer and enable any extra channels
[21:30] <trait> i did
[21:30] <dwidmann> Ketrel: you can do a lot with t he xorg.conf
[21:30] <trait> and the output is:
[21:30] <trait> ALSA lib simple_none.c:1738:(simple_add1) helem (MIXER,'Headphone Playback Switch',0,2,0) appears twice or more
[21:30] <trait> alsamixer: function snd_mixer_load failed: Invalid argument
[21:31] <dwidmann> Ketrel: "man synaptics"
[21:31] <trait> or snypatics, Ketrel
[21:31] <trait> ^^
[21:31] <Ketrel> dwidmann to be more precise, is there a gui tool I can use?
[21:32] <trait> there was a gui, but it didn't start changes after reboot
[21:32] <trait> better write in xorg.conf
[21:32] <trait> karl_
[21:32] <trait> any other solution for me?
[21:32] <trait> or what does this output say?
[21:32] <dwidmann> Ketrel: none that I know of, now that qsynaptics has been scrapped in favor of touchfreeze (lower maintenance or something like that, but it's still in its early phases as I'm sure you've noticed)
[21:34] <poseidon> For some reason certain applications are not able to connect to the internet.
[21:34] <nosredna_ekim> trait: looks like an alsa config file is messed up
[21:34] <dwidmann> poseidon: I think I've heard of that problem before
[21:34] <trait> that means?
[21:34] <nosredna_ekim> trait: it needs to be deleted/regenerated... but unfortunately, I have to go
[21:34] <poseidon> dwidmann, any idea so to how I can fix it?
[21:35] <okv> Hi, all. I'm trying to upgrade Kubuntu from 7.04 to 7.10 through Adept Manager, but I keep getting a message "could not download the upgrade tool. Please check that your internet connection is active." Any ideas how to get it working?
[21:35] <trait> this message is posed since installing hardy
[21:35] <Ketrel> dwidmann, in that case, will reading the man file on synaptics tell me how to change the edges?
[21:35] <dwidmann> poseidon: I think it might have been knetworkmanager related as absurd as it may sound. Try killing knetworkmanager
[21:35] <poseidon> dwidmann, I used dhclient to connect to the internet
[21:36] <dwidmann> Ketrel: it should explain most of the options .... it's pretty straightforward if it's there
[21:36] <poseidon> dwidmann, I think that fixed it :)
[21:36] <poseidon> Let me check if I can access a web page
[21:36] <dwidmann> Did it? Neato
[21:36] <okv> Has anyone got the same error with Adept when trying to upgrade to newer version: "Could not download the upgrade tool. Please check that your internet connection is active."
[21:37] <poseidon> dwidmann, yea.  Thanks that really helps me out :)
[21:37] <Ketrel> Hmm, new problem, knetworkmanager is no longer connecting
[21:38] <Ketrel> it's just sticking at Activation stage: configuring device
[21:38] <Ketrel> and then eventually it asks for the WEP key again
[21:38] <okv> Ok I got it working now, I just kept trying "retry" few times.
[21:39] <dwidmann> okv: I upgraded with apt-get ... but, I wonder if it has anything to do with the ubuntu servers being hammered right now
[21:39] <okv> dwidmann: I bet it was.
[21:40] <dwidmann> okv: next time you need to do a dist-upgrade for a new release, take my word for it that you want to do it a day or two early.
[21:41] <okv> dwidmann: Yep, actually I'd like to upgrade directly to 8.04 but I just realized I have to upgrade to 7.10 first in order to get it to 8.04
[21:41] <Pennycook> If everytime I try to open a text file in Kate it opens, throws an error, opens and then throws an error, should I report it as a Kubuntu bug or a KDE4 bug?
[21:42] <dwidmann> okv: it'll be a smaller download to grab a new install cd - backing up your list of installed packages and such is fairly simple too, all you need is a seperate /home partition
[21:42] <dwidmann> Ketrel: flakey wireless, or is a new problem?
[21:43] <okv> dwidmann: I don't have separate /home currently :(
[21:43] <dwidmann> *is it
[21:43] <dwidmann> okv: you want one :P
[21:43] <Ketrel> dwidmann a new problem, it just started like 5 minutes ago
[21:43] <okv> dwidmann: I'll definitely make one, but I guess I can't make it on fly, or can I? not sure
[21:43] <Ketrel> I just zapped the knetworkrrc file and rebooted
[21:43] <Ketrel> (I will tell you if that helped
[21:43] <okv> dwidmann: Should it be done when I'm installing it in the first place?
[21:43] <dwidmann> Ketrel: good luck
[21:44] <dwidmann> okv: you can do it when installing, or whenever you want really. Making a new partition post-install isn't too difficult
[21:45] <okv> dwidmann: Gotta look into it. I definitely would like to do a clean install
[21:45] <edgy> Hi, when I select a text and try to paste it by clicking the right and left mouse button (in my laptop)  it doesn't work. This used to work properly before, what's wrong?
[21:45] <Esteban> Ok, need some help here. Trying to install Kubuntu on my laptop. But it keeps shutting down saying the temprature is too high, 105 C.. How to fix that? :S
[21:46] <dwidmann> edgy: maybe it's an issue with the selection, or perhaps you need to check your /etc/X11/xorg.conf to make sure the emulate middle mouse button is on for your mouse
[21:46] <Ketrel> dwidmann, no luck, it still does it
[21:46] <dwidmann> Ketrel: bummer
[21:46] <dwidmann> Esteban: does it *feel* like it's 105C?
[21:47] <Esteban> dwidmann: It feels warm, yeah. But been running windows and some other Linux OS's before without any problems or unstability.
[21:47] <dwidmann> Esteban: do you know its normal running temp? is 105C completely insane?
[21:48] <Esteban> dwidmann: No idea, I could try check in BIOS, one sec.
[21:48] <Ketrel> I disabled WEP to see if that helps, will report back in a moment
[21:48] <JackWinter> is there someway that i can point adept at a lesser loaded server ?  not having much luck installing anything right now ;)
[21:49] <dwidmann> JackWinter: you can change mirrors by altering your /etc/apt/sources.list file
[21:49] <mefisto__> JackWinter: you can change servers in Adept > Manage repositories
[21:50] <Esteban> dwidmann: No tempratures in BIOS.
[21:50] <JackWinter> where do i find good servers ?
[21:50] <dwidmann> JackWinter: probably trial & error
[21:50] <JackWinter> where is a list ?
[21:51] <Esteban> dwidmann: Not sure if the temp is completely insane. It sounds pretty bad with 105C tho.
[21:51] <dwidmann> JackWinter: I can assure you "us" is probably not a good one to go with
[21:51] <Ketrel> Same problem, it just sits at 28%
[21:51] <dwidmann> Esteban: should probably check things out just in case, if it really was at 105C you've got a major problem.
[21:52] <Esteban> dwidmann: Why? Debian installed just fine, SuSE did. And windows works properly, why won't *ubuntu?
[21:52] <dwidmann> Ketrel: google for issues with your wireless card?
[21:52] <kopote> hola
[21:52] <mefisto__> JackWinter: Adept > Manage repositories. Look in "download from"
[21:52] <djouallah> how to restore the adept applet, kubuntu
[21:52] <poseidon> What IRC client do you guys use?
[21:53] <Ketrel> dwidmann It shouldn't have any, this problem started 10 minutes ago, and I was using Gutsy for a week before that with no problems at all
[21:53]  * djouallah use konversation, and xchat on windows
[21:53] <JackWinter> mefisto__:  thanks i didn't click far enough. ;)
[21:53] <dwidmann> Esteban: no idea  .... just always worth it to be cautious is all I was saying (105C can probably ruin a processor pretty quick) If it has a fan was it running when the heat alarm went off?
[21:53]  * poseidon uses xchat on windows, and is thinking of using it on kubuntu as well
[21:54] <dwidmann> Ketrel: "should" and "does" are two different stories entirely.
[21:54] <djouallah> poseidon: it is a good choise i guess
[21:54] <Ketrel> dwidmann, I'm going to do two things (try with my Wii to make sure it's not the access point, and try off the liveCD)
[21:54] <Esteban> dwidmann: At full speed. I bet it's pretty hot in there. Strange.. COuld it be that the cpu is compiling with bad parameters? And the dvd-rom running at full(it makes it hotter)?
[21:55] <TeslaTony> poseidon: Which KDE? 3 or 4? Under 3 Xchat doesn't change colors for notifications for me, but it works fine under 4. Otherwise, it's pretty good
[21:56]  * djouallah can't use kde 4 untill the proxy bug is not resolved
[21:56] <dwidmann> Esteban: that stuff will add to the heat, but 105 is still *very* hot, that's hot enough to boil water after all, I'm pretty sure it'd burn you if you touched it
[21:57]  * poseidon tried kde 4 but decided it was way too buggy
[21:57] <x_link> Hi!
[21:57] <superkiwi> Hello, I have two audio devices on my motherboard, nvidia alc883 analog, and digital (which I get from aplay -l). But when I got to system settings/sound the only device listed is the analog one. How can I use the digital one?
[21:57] <dwidmann> konversation and irssi :)
[21:57] <poseidon> How do you set up dual screens in linux?  I have an nvidia graphics card
[21:57]  * djouallah is using kubuntu with wubi, it simply rocks
[21:57] <x_link> Isn't Compiz-fusion re-installed in Hardy=?
[21:57] <okv>  Is compiz as adjustable as beryl was?
[21:58] <dwidmann> poseidon: "kdesudo nvidia-setting" - that app makes it sooooooooo easy
[21:58] <Esteban> dwidmann: Well, the laptop case isn't opened. And I feel that since the fan is running at full, and I've tried other destros that works. That 105C is bullshit, but that's what it said in the shutdown text. I tried running with "noacpi" parameter without luck.
[21:58] <okv> I heard that the built-in compiz in ubuntu can't be adjusted much
[21:58] <DirkGently> okv: pretty much
[21:58] <poseidon> @djouallah, make sure you don't do any major system upgrades or it will break wubi ;) happened to me
[21:58] <poseidon> ie change versions
[21:59] <dwidmann> Esteban: definitely check around google and/or ubuntuforums.org (or google site:ubuntuforums.org :) ) -- I think I've seen that issue pop up before
[21:59] <Esteban> dwidmann: Ok, thanks.
[21:59] <okv> I hope KDE 4's Konsole has true transparency like Gnome's shell window has
[21:59] <b3lt3r> /leave
[21:59] <x_link> okv: Okey.
[21:59] <mefisto__> I installed kde4 in gutsy from these instructions: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.3.php  What happens to that kde4 install if I upgrade to hardy? will it upgrade kde4 from official repos?
[21:59] <b3lt3r> /leave
[21:59] <djouallah> poseidon:  i am using 8.04 rc, so just small upgrades i hope it is not harmful;)
[21:59] <dwidmann> okv: it does
[21:59] <hydrogen> how do I redirect stderr to a file again?
[21:59] <dwidmann> okv: and so does yakuake-kde4
[22:00] <JackWinter> is there a way to take a "snapshot" before using Adept to install, so that i can easily back out if things go wrong ?
[22:00] <okv> dwidmann: What's the yakuake-kde4?
[22:00] <dwidmann> okv: install it and try it out, yakuake is awesome!
[22:00] <DirkGently> hydrogen: 2>file
[22:00] <poseidonplusplus> How do you go dual screen again? I had to restart in xchat so I missed it, sorry
[22:00] <okv> dwidmann: I'll check it out, thanks
[22:00]  * mefisto__ agrees about yakuake
[22:01] <dwidmann> poseidon: "kdesudo nvidia-setting" - that app makes it sooooooooo easy
[22:01] <Seldaek> hmm dammit I can't "init 1" anymore with the 8.04 final
[22:01] <DirkGently> hydrogen: stdout and stderr: >file 2>&1
[22:01] <superkiwi> The 'leave' button in kd4 does nothing. I can't log out, help! :X
[22:01] <superkiwi> ah, nm, rofl.
[22:02] <DirkGently> hydrogen:  e.g. command > file.log 2>&1
[22:02] <hydrogen> thanks
[22:02] <okv> oh, it's a konsole-replacement
[22:02] <Ketrel> Well I just had the same problem off the liveCD. I'm now going to boot off of the Gutsy CD and see what happens
[22:02] <okv> Is it in the repo?
[22:02] <Tama> Hi
[22:02] <djouallah> superkiwi:  perhaps just kill x
[22:03] <poseidon> dwidmann, "kdesudo nvidia-setting" returns not found
[22:03] <ubuntu__>
[22:03] <superkiwi> djouallah: was my fault. I'm not used to the new kde4 kickof thingy. The options shows up when I roll over it, i kep clicking it.
[22:03] <Tama> Hi, i try to chnage the display resolution from the live cd but it will not be changed
[22:04] <djouallah> superkiwi: no it is not your fault at all, perhaps it just don't work
[22:04] <dwidmann> poseidon: sorry, forgot that in hardy now nvidia-settings is in a seperate package from the nvidia driver package
[22:04] <dwidmann> poseidon: install the nvidia-settings package first
[22:04] <djouallah> superkiwi: kde4 is still beta quality
[22:04] <kais58> is there a ppc x64 version of 8.04 yet?
[22:04] <mefisto__> stdin: I installed kde4 in gutsy from these instructions: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.3.php  What happens to that kde4 install if I upgrade to hardy? will it upgrade kde4 from official repos?
[22:05] <okv> support for XMMS has ended :( the upgrade says
[22:05] <U238Willy> whew.. upgraded to kubuntu 8.04 ... and instead of the gui login screen, I get dumped to the cli.
[22:06] <mefisto__> U238Willy: have you tried booting in recovery mode?
[22:06] <okv> So Kubuntu 8.04 has 2 versions, one with KDE4 and one with older?
[22:06] <U238Willy> no
[22:06] <U238Willy> what's the command?
[22:06] <djouallah> okv:  yp
[22:06] <okv> Would you recommend KDE4 version?
[22:07] <djouallah> with kde3.5.9 it is supported for 18 months
[22:07] <djouallah> okv: not yet
[22:07] <U238Willy> i tried startx and it said 'failed to load nvidia kernal module'
[22:07] <Esteban> dwidmann: I found this: "I think it is because of ACPI and lm-sensors driver are trying to access the chip same time. Please try to disable the thermal module in kernel, or compile kernel without "thermal support" in ACPI section" - But I tried to disable the ACPI. Says it's not simple, and as of yet, no fix for it.
[22:07] <mefisto__> U238Willy: in the grub menu, before boot. when it's booted, there's an option to try to fix X
[22:07] <djouallah> okv: it is a kind of a preview of what kde4 will be
[22:07] <poseidon> dwidmann, is there anyway I can get my second screen to just extend my first, or does it have to be a seperate desktop or a twin view of my first?
[22:07] <U238Willy> and something with samba seems to have exploded as well
[22:08] <Seldaek> can anyone help me with init 1 not working?
[22:08] <Seldaek> I can't login in console mode:/
[22:08] <dwidmann> poseidon: use the "xinerama" setting
[22:08] <JackWinter> should there be a libasound2-plugins ?
[22:08] <djouallah> okv: if u want to live in the edge as they say, u can use kde4, but if u want a superstable desktop stick with kde3.5.9
[22:08] <dwidmann> poseidon: should be a checkbox for it on there
[22:08] <JackWinter> am trying to follow a howto ?
[22:10] <U238Willy> hmm.. selecting xfix seems to have worked..
[22:11] <U238Willy> though i think it bumped my resolution up
[22:11] <stdin> mefisto__: yes
[22:12] <poseidon> Is there anyway to get faster download speeds by setting max packets per requests, MTU, etc?
[22:12] <mefisto__> U238Willy: you probably need to install the proprietary nvidia driver now. Find "Hardware Drivers" in the kmenu (under System, I think)
[22:12] <daemon3> I'm confused: I thought the kubuntu Hardy alternate disk was supposed to have an "upgrade option."  However, I don't see one when I boot up.
[22:12] <Esteban> dwidmann: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=444062&highlight=acpi+temperature&page=2 <<<
[22:13] <Esteban> dwidmann: Them saying it's an annoying bug, and seems to be non-fixable atm(still..).
[22:13] <U238Willy> i had installed the legacy drivers back with 7.10, so i guess this means I'll have to reinstall them? and then change the lines in xorg.conf? also, what's the dpkg command to reconfigure xorg.. (or is that not good to use now?)
[22:13] <Esteban> dwidmann: Looks like I have to get another distro again(!)
[22:13] <mefisto__> stdin: so I don't need to do anything before hardy upgrade? those repos will be disabled and everything kde4 will update to hardy?
[22:13] <chrisrogers> Odd-rationale: hey it's chrisrogers
[22:14] <Odd-rationale> hey!
[22:14] <chrisrogers> Odd-rationale: i still havn't gotten that problem fixed, i figured i'll just reinstall kubuntu and see what i did to cause the problem and not do it
[22:14] <stdin> mefisto__: I don't think the repos will be disabled, but it won't matter because I made sure the version numbers in the PPA were always less than those in hardy. so just upgrade and it'll magically work :)
[22:15] <chrisrogers> Odd-rationale: im using mirc in windows right now and downloading the new iso of kubuntu
[22:15] <Odd-rationale> chrisrogers: ok. sorry to hear that...
[22:15] <Odd-rationale> chrisrogers: 8.04?
[22:16] <chrisrogers> Odd-rationale: yep
[22:16] <Odd-rationale> ok :)
[22:16] <chrisrogers> Odd-rationale: it's taking forever do download
[22:16] <Odd-rationale> chrisrogers: using the torrent?
[22:16] <JackWinter> how do i get libasound2-plugins, it's missing from the 8.04 depositories ?
[22:16] <chrisrogers> Odd-rationale: nope
[22:17] <chrisrogers> Odd-rationale: using the mirror
[22:17] <chrisrogers> Odd-rationale: didn't know there was a torrent
[22:17] <chrisrogers> Odd-rationale: :D
[22:17] <Odd-rationale> chrisrogers: torrent may be the way to go.. I'm seeding all the alt disc on two computers...
[22:17] <chrisrogers> Odd-rationale: where can i find the torrent file?
[22:17]  * stdin shows chrisrogers the topic
[22:18] <chrisrogers> Odd-rationale: i mean i'm almost done doanloading this one but if this will be faster than that will be awsome
[22:18] <stdin> ohh, it was removed?
[22:19] <edgy> dwidmann: you are right. the emulate is set to no, now should I log out or can I update somehow?
[22:19] <Odd-rationale> chrisrogers: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hardy/
[22:19] <stdin> there's a list of mirrors here: http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php#latest
[22:19] <Odd-rationale> chrisrogers: look for the torrent file...
[22:19]  * djouallah is wondering try to remove openoffice-core, and it say u have to remove kubuntu-desktop and xserver ?
[22:20] <U238Willy> yep.. it's reverted back to the old 'nv' driver
[22:20] <chrisrogers> Odd-rationale: i'm not that worried about it, i'll just let this finish :P
[22:20] <chrisrogers> Odd-rationale: it's almost done anyway
[22:20] <Odd-rationale> ok
[22:21] <bbishop> Question: How can you set a start up application such as Firefox when the computer boots?
[22:21] <chrisrogers> bbishop: i think it's autostart folder
[22:21] <U238Willy> ok.. well thanks for your help.. all seems well.. i'll tweak the nvidia driver.. and reboot.. thanks again..
[22:21] <stdin> !autostart | bbishop
[22:21] <Odd-rationale> bbishop: ~/.kde/Autostart
[22:21] <ubotu> bbishop: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory. For a complete guide, see http://jucato.org/kde/kde-autostart.html
[22:21]  * chrisrogers dosn't know where the autostart folder is
[22:22] <bbishop> Thanks
[22:22] <Tom47> cannot get decent screen resolution running hardy in virtualbox
[22:22] <djouallah> ubotu: u are faster then me
[22:23] <stdin> !bot
[22:23] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[22:23] <mefisto__> there's also a gui called startupmanager, if you prefer that
[22:23]  * djouallah was chating with a bot ;)
[22:24] <foosh>  /join #sabayon
[22:25] <Tom47> is there an issue with xorg.conf screen resolutions in hardy?
[22:26] <JackWinter> what happened to gstreamer0.10-plugins-good etc ?
[22:27]  * djouallah never click on apply change before taking a look at what changed, rule 1
[22:28] <JackWinter> or am i in the wrong channel for qs regarding repositories
[22:28] <poseidon> How do I take firefox out of offline mode (I just installed it)
[22:28] <dwidmann> edgy: you should edit it to say that the mulation setting = on/true/whatnot
[22:28] <stdin> JackWinter: what do you mean what happened to it?
[22:29] <okv> You know what's best in linux, especially ubuntu/kubuntu?
[22:29] <foosh> can anyone help me out?
[22:29] <foosh> http://pastebin.com/d678f8b6c
[22:29] <foosh> thats my fstab
[22:29] <foosh> im having trouble getting my /dev/hda1 partition to mount correctly
[22:29] <foosh> it wants everyone to be root
[22:29] <okv> The community, helpful and doesn't bash you for being a noob. I think that makes a lot of people to try linux and stay with linux
[22:29] <Artimus> So, kubuntu-8.04-alternate-i386.iso and kubuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.iso are KDE3?
[22:29] <JackWinter> Adept don't find it, and neither does apt-get..?
[22:30] <stdin> Artimus: yes, the kde4 ones are named kubuntu-kde4...
[22:30] <stdin> JackWinter: make sure you have your repositories enabled, it's in main
[22:30] <Artimus> stdin: Awesome, thanks.
[22:30] <stdin> !info gstreamer0.10-plugins-good
[22:30] <ubotu> gstreamer0.10-plugins-good (source: gst-plugins-good0.10): GStreamer plugins from the "good" set. In component main, is optional. Version 0.10.7-3 (hardy), package size 852 kB, installed size 2748 kB
[22:30] <djouallah> okv: you are welocome
[22:30] <dwidmann> edgy: :   ---- Option         "Emulate3Buttons" "no" ---- then restart X (ie: log out, select restart X from the kdm menu, log back in)
[22:31] <dwidmann> edgy: erm, set it to yes
[22:31] <mefisto__> oops, I meant kcontrol-autostart, not startupmanager
[22:31] <chrisrogers> i'm back
[22:31] <JackWinter> stdin: ah maybe it's beccause i'm trying other servers..  thanks!
[22:32] <chrisrogers> i had to do "Something" to my eval version of mIRC :D
[22:32] <chrisrogers> lol
[22:33] <djouallah> chrisrogers: i use xchat on windows it just rock
[22:33] <chrisrogers> has anybody else had this problem with kubuntu: Logoff, shutdown, ctrl+alt+bksp, results in black screen freeze
[22:33] <daemon3> The kubuntu alternate disk doesn't have an option to upgrade to Hardy.  What could be the problem?
[22:33] <daemon3> When I boot to the disk, I mean.
[22:33] <dwidmann> I thought X-Chat on windows was payware
[22:34] <stdin> daemon3: you don't boot from it, you upgrade from the installed system
[22:34] <djouallah> dwidmann:  there is xchat and xchat2
[22:34] <foosh> could anyone help me with my lame partition mount?
[22:34] <foosh> http://pastebin.com/d678f8b6c
[22:34] <chrisrogers> nothing is payware ;)
[22:34] <foosh> thats the fstab
[22:34] <dwidmann> chrisrogers: usually related to bad video drivers
[22:34] <foosh> /dev/hda1 doesn't seem to want to mount with user permissions
[22:34] <chrisrogers> dwidmann: but i'm using the latest verson of fglrx
[22:34] <stdin> daemon3: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades/Kubuntu
[22:35] <chrisrogers> or was
[22:35] <dwidmann> chrisrogers: haha, hahahah, hahahahahahahhahahaha ...
[22:35] <chrisrogers> yay 10 min remaining on kde cd download
[22:35] <chrisrogers> dwidmann: what?
[22:35] <dwidmann> chrisrogers: that was almost exactly what I was referring to
[22:36] <dwidmann> chrisrogers: fglrx has been known for that for years
[22:36] <chrisrogers> dwidmann: what else am i supposed to use with an ATI Radeon HD 2600?
[22:36] <david__> speak german?
[22:36] <stdin> foosh: ext3 has its own permissions, you have to either chmod it or create a user writeable directory
[22:37] <stdin> !de | david__
[22:37] <ubotu> david__: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[22:37] <foosh> stdin, i actually reformatted this partition to ext3 from ext3
[22:37] <foosh> im wondering why it isn't working the same as before
[22:37] <chrisrogers> dwidmann: i tried to pm you, so you can help me if you can
[22:37] <foosh> nothing really changed
[22:37] <dwidmann> chrisrogers: that same question is why my last four video cards have been nvidia cards
[22:37] <dwidmann> !register | chrisrogers
[22:37] <ubotu> chrisrogers: By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about registering your nickname: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration - Type « /nick <nickname> » to select your nickname.
[22:37] <foosh> stdin, ah, the uuid changed
[22:37] <foosh> duh
[22:38] <stdin> yep, UUIDs change when you format ;)
[22:38] <foosh> stdin, whats the command to check uuid name again?
[22:38] <chrisrogers> dwidmann: i'm not using nvidia drivers for an ati card
[22:38] <chrisrogers> dwidmann: never mind
[22:38] <stdin> foosh: sudo blkid /dev/whatever
[22:38] <foosh> thanks
[22:38] <chrisrogers> dwidmann: that's not what you said
[22:39] <chrisrogers> dwidmann: well i'm using a laptop and i like my ati card, i wouldn't trade it for an nvidia card for all the money in new york
[22:40] <poseidon> Whats a good cd burner for kubuntu?
[22:40] <chrisrogers> dwidmann: 256MB of dedicated Vram (ON A LAPTOP!!!) and 768 shared with ram (which is fine since i have 3GB)
[22:40] <chrisrogers> dwidmann: fully dx10 compatible
[22:40] <mefisto__> poseidon: you mean software?
[22:41] <chrisrogers> anybody know of any good Kubuntu drivers for an ATI Radeon HD 2600?
[22:41] <dwidmann> chrisrogers: dedicated vram? Nice ... though, I still wouldn't want one until the drivers improve, a lot.
[22:41] <chrisrogers> dwidmann: my lappy is a f-ing powerhouse man
[22:42] <nikos> hello
[22:42] <chrisrogers> dwidmann: is fglrx the only ones that work? or are there alternates that are more stable?
[22:43] <nikos> how i can enable my wireless card on my laptop i have the acer 5920 with intel 3945 wifi card
[22:44] <chrisrogers> dwidmann: can i use ndiswrapper for videocard drivers?
[22:44] <chrisrogers> dwidmann: then i can use the windows ones and it might work better, who knows...
[22:44] <chrisrogers> dwidmann: or is ndiswrapper just for wireless cards :P
[22:44] <nikos> any one in greece here ?
[22:45] <stdin> !gr
[22:45] <ubotu> #ubuntu-gr και #kubuntu-gr για Έλληνες χρηστές  /  #ubuntu-gr kai #kubuntu-gr gia Ellhnes xrhstes
[22:46] <chrisrogers> !ndiswrapper
[22:46] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[22:46] <chrisrogers> ok it's finally done downloading, i guess i'll talk to yall again when i'm all setup
[22:46] <chrisrogers> l8er guys
[22:47] <chrisrogers> thanks for the help dwidmann
[22:47] <dwidmann> chrisrogers: ndiswrapper for video card drivers? Not as far as I know
[22:47] <Joeseph> alright, well I was here earlier describing this problem when it happened: Any time I get on facebook through Konquereor, my network disconects- firefox works though
[22:48] <Joeseph> anyone have troubles with konqueror and facebook?
[22:48] <poseidon> How can I increase my download speed?  I notice it's a bit slower than in windows
[22:49] <mefisto__> poseidon: all downloads? browser downloads?
[22:49] <poseidon> mefisto__, both would be nice
[22:50] <mefisto__> poseidon: I mean, where do you notice it is slow?
[22:50] <abcd> Hi, I can't upgrade my system from 7.10 to 8.04. I think this is becouse my repositories. Here they are: http://wklej.org/id/f710869bde - what's wrong with them? I tried by sudo apt-get update, upgrade and then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade. 0 packages to upgrade. Anyone can help me? Sorry for may english
[22:50] <stdin> !upgrade | abcd
[22:50] <ubotu> abcd: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[22:50] <poseidon> mefisto__, Mostly the downloads
[22:50] <dwidmann> abcd: if you want to use apt-get, you need to change the sources.list to use hardy first
[22:51] <mefisto__> poseidon: which downloads? how/what are you downloading?
[22:51] <stdin> dwidmann: do not recommend that
[22:51] <dwidmann> stdin: why not?
[22:51] <abcd> dwidmann: thanks
[22:51] <stdin> dwidmann: because it will probably not upgrade properly and we can't support it
[22:52] <dwidmann> stdin: I've never had any trouble with apt-get dist-upgrade .....
[22:52] <stdin> !worksforme | dwidmann
[22:52] <ubotu> dwidmann: Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[22:52] <abcd> dwidmann: i used to think that will be changed automaticcally
[22:52] <stdin> there is a command line tool if you want it called "do-release-upgrade"
[22:52] <stdin> abcd: it will, if you use the right tool
[22:53] <abcd> stdin: thanks
[22:53] <mefisto__> Ooh, I like that "worksforme" thing. I need one of those for real-life situations
[22:54] <abcd> stdin: i don't know if i have understood you, but you said using apt-get to upgrade is not recommended ?
[22:54] <poseidon> mefisto__, I get 393kbps in kubuntu and somewhere around 8,000 in windows.  I just used the same server on the same site to test my speed
[22:54] <stdin> abcd: not to upgrade to another distribution, no
[22:55] <stdin> abcd: either use adept or the command line tool "do-release-upgrade"
[22:55] <abcd> stdin: so what's the recommended way of upgrade?
[22:55] <mefisto__> poseidon: which browser?
[22:55]  * Daisuke_Laptop headdesks
[22:55] <stdin> the way I just said ;)
[22:55] <abcd> stdin: thanks
[22:56] <poseidon> mefisto__, in windows I did use firefox, and kubuntu konqueror.  I didn't keep that constant,  That shouldn't have caused that significant of a change though.
[22:57] <mefisto__> poseidon: I would try in firefox. konqueror (for browsing) has always seemed much slower for me
[22:58] <poseidon> mefisto__, I just isntalled kubuntu, how do I get firefox out of offline mode?
[22:58] <mefisto__> poseidon: in the File menu
[22:59] <poseidon> Thanks
[23:00] <poseidon> !flash
[23:00] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[23:04] <derenrich> Is there any way for me to change the compiz effects level from the command line?  I have both KDE 3 and 4 ???
[23:08] <dwidmann> abcd, yes, the amount of space used shouldn't change much
[23:09] <abcd> dwidmann: thanks a lot
[23:09] <mefisto__> abcd: should be plenty, but depends what you have installed. if it's not enough, the updater will tell you how much you need to free up
[23:09] <abcd> mefisto__: OK, thanks
[23:10] <dwidmann> abcd: however, you'll probably get about 700MB or more in your cache, something to keep in mind, you'll probably want to run apt-get autoclean when its done upgrading
[23:10] <abcd> dwidmann: OK
[23:12] <JackWinter> where is /etc/asound.conf in kubuntu ?
[23:13] <dwidmann> JackWinter: It probably doesn't exist by default, you'll need to make it if you want one.
[23:16] <mid5> Hi there, Im updating my kubuntu laptop to 8.04. Its a HUGE friggin update process.  I closed the lid, and when I opened it, it was black, and it stays black, whatever I do.. I entered though SSH, and all is fine, its still updating. Is there a way I can force X to show itself again, without interrupting the update process??
[23:17] <ihab> well ... I have an ATI driver with 256 MB RAM :(  the problem is that when I look to desktop it looks too bad "this really get my eyes tired" in contrary when I open Dolphin or any other application it looks normal
[23:17] <dwidmann> mid5: try killing X if it's running (via ssh)
[23:18] <mid5> dwidmann, that would, effectively, also kill the upgrade process, and most certainly it would destroy my dpkg database, I would not like that
[23:18] <dwidmann> mid5: is it mid-upgrade right now, or still downloading the upgrades?
[23:18] <mid5> and yes, X is still running.. the upgrade process is run in X and that also continues normal.. X is simply not responding to the keyoboard
[23:19] <mid5> dwidmann, its in mid update.. like 20%
[23:19] <mid5> but its a friggin huge update, about 3GB.. got lots of stuff installed
[23:19] <dwidmann> mid5: might want to let it be
[23:19] <mefisto__> mid5: does ctrl-alt-1 etc do anything?
[23:19] <mid5> the rest of the upgrade will last like 2 hours, I cant wait that long
[23:20] <mefisto__> *ctrl-alt-F1
[23:20] <mid5> mefisto__, would give me console, but since my console, since about 5 months ago, only shows me flashing ASCII cubes, dont like to go there either
[23:20] <dwidmann> mid5: You might have to anyway. It'd be extremely risky to kill the upgrade process
[23:20] <mid5> anyway, I can get in with SSH
[23:20] <mid5> and all looks fine so far
[23:20] <mid5> its not extremely busy.. load is about 2
[23:21] <mid5> dwidmann, thats why I am hoping for a way to poke X in the ribs, making it respond again, without killing it (and the upgrade process with it)
[23:21] <mefisto__> mid5: just wondering if switching back to ctrl-alt-F7 will wake up your screen
[23:21] <mid5> its back!
[23:21] <mid5> hah
[23:21] <mid5> phew
[23:21] <mid5> Guess it just needed some time... 20 minutes..
[23:21] <mid5> but its back in business here..
[23:23] <sven_oostenbrink> mid5 is now back on his own machine again :)
[23:24] <sven_oostenbrink> Still no idea though why X took so long to respond
[23:24] <dthacker-work> to unpack a tgz file I use what arguments with tar?
[23:25] <davidmac_> tar xvzf <filename>
[23:25] <dthacker-work> tnx
[23:25] <davidmac_> np
[23:26] <mefisto__> what's the v for? verbose?
[23:26] <dwidmann>   I'm dead tired, I'm going to bed before I crash in my chair
[23:27]  * dthacker-work leaves for home
[23:27] <davidmac_> yup
[23:28] <davidmac_> x = extract v = verbose z = gzip compression f = filename
[23:31] <Joeseph> alright, I've come here with this problem twice already, but given the nature of the problem, its obvious why I got disconnected
[23:31] <Joeseph> Anytime I open facebook, I get kicked off my network.  Konqueror doesn't make it to the login screen, while firefox can't log me int
[23:31] <Joeseph> in
[23:32] <davidmac_> kicked off your network at home or at work?
[23:32] <Joeseph> home
[23:33] <Joeseph> by 'kicked off' I mean KNetworkManager gets disconnected
[23:33] <Joeseph> and then I have to restart]
[23:34] <davidmac_> k, sorry no help from me -- never heard of that :(  anything in the logs?
[23:40] <pasi> I have a serious problem after upgrading to hardy: my mouse only double clicks now. It happens whether I use USB mouse, buttons next to touchpad or tap the touch pad. Only double clicks. I tried with kde4 and kde3. It happens also in kdm menu.
[23:40] <poseidon> Whats a good cd burner?
[23:40] <pasi> anyone any ideas where to look and how to fix?
[23:41] <robotgeek> poseidon: i have a lite-on, which works great for me
[23:41] <robotgeek> pasi: meaning, single click == double click, or only double click works
[23:42] <pasi> meaning that when I click once it ends up as a double click
[23:42] <robotgeek> pasi: ah okay. second
[23:43] <pasi> thanks
[23:43] <Blackadder> Well done Kubuntu!  :-)  Works great on my Matsonic integrated AMD Duron 750 mobo (384MB RAM)
[23:46] <davidmac_> I've always been partial to plextor drives.  They have always performed top-notch for me with both CD and DVD burning
[23:46] <robotgeek> !bugs
[23:46] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[23:49] <robotgeek> pasi: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/188351 for workarounds
[23:50] <pasi> thank you robotgeek. I'll do that
[23:54] <mefisto__> pasi: is your mouse set to single click in systemsettings > kbd & mouse ?
[23:56] <robotgeek> mefisto__: i think he means, when he single clicks, the system treats it as a double click
[23:57] <mefisto__> robotgeek: "single click to open files and folders" is in systemsettings. That's what's happening, right?
[23:58] <robotgeek> mefisto__: no, he can't single click at all.
[23:59] <mefisto__> robotgeek: so a single click results in files and folders opening? maybe I don't understand