[00:14] <nebg> hello everyone... which is the difference between "shopt" and "set" i see the operate on different options...but which options relate to set and which to shopt  ?
[00:20] <jalt> Hi, how do I fully disable avahi-daemon from a fresh 16.04 install? The obvious systemctl disable avahi-daemon did not work (x-posted from #ubuntu, since I got no replies and it's actually a xubuntu 16.04 fresh install).
[00:22] <nebg> jalt, why you want to disable avahi daemon ?
[00:22] <jalt> because i don't need zeroconf
[00:22] <nebg> what does it odo  ?
[00:22] <nebg> does avahi daemon only do zeroconf ?
[00:23] <nebg> what's that ?
[00:23] <jalt> yes, and it's a protocol apple came up for mDNS
[00:23] <jalt> it manages .local
[00:59] <LazyUser69> Anyone find systrays preferable to indicator icons?
[01:43] <jalt> Answering my own question for future reference: the only way to disable avahi-daemon is to remove and purge the package. There really is no other way because of socket activation and dbus.
[04:02] <kgb> o/ guys i'm not going to #ubuntu, but has the issue been brought up - if anybody knows?.. the web page has *not* been updated: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes (There is no page /link for upgrading "from 15.10 to 16.04")
[04:03] <kgb> ??
[04:06] <kgb> .. um, yea - the page is there, just no update on the main: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XenialUpgrades
[04:07] <kgb> :f
[04:08] <kgb> .. guess that I should edit the page, what do you think? o.0
[04:12] <kgb> by the time i configure oracle vm & unpack a windows.. and put dreamweaver & get to editing; it'll probably be done 10-times-over? xD
[04:26] <xubuntu02w> Does anyone know how to update to the latest version of gnupg?
[04:27] <xubuntu02w> I tried sudo apt-get install gnupg2 and it says that I already have the newest version (2.1.11)
[04:28] <xubuntu02w> But when I try to enable enigmail in Thunderbird, I receive an error message that I have version 1.4.20 and need to update.
[04:28] <xubuntu02w> What am I missing?
[04:33] <kgb> xubuntu02w: xenial 16.04?
[04:33] <xubuntu02w> Yes
[04:36] <kgb> blah, I remember always being some *problem* with the versions /which software 2 actually get for enigmail /thunderbird :f
[04:37] <xubuntu02w> Yeah, I'm new to email encryption. I've followed some guides online, but cannot seem to get gnupg to work properly with thunderbird
[04:37] <xubuntu02w> Or maybe it's enigmail which is causing the issue.
[04:38] <kgb> just, hang on please... someone who knows more should say it better (than me :))
[04:42] <kgb> xubuntu02w: in the meantime, something to -perhaps- better manage any ppa that could need?.. http://www.webupd8.org/2013/10/y-ppa-manager-0991-released-with-ubuntu.html (https://launchpad.net/y-ppa-manager) :)
[04:43] <kgb> *which you may need
[04:44] <xubuntu02w> Thanks I will check that out
[04:53] <kgb> xubuntu02w: maybe, for example, if you had added a ppa - when messing with the gnupg/2 versions - which you wanna ppa-purge
[04:56] <xubuntu02w> In that case, what would be the command for purging the unneeded ppa?
[05:41] <kgb> xubuntu02w: ah i fell asleep at they keyboard, need to gtho, lol.. if it was manually added, then look for the name used 4 example: history | grep add-apt-repository
[05:41] <kgb> *in order to ppa-purge it
[05:44] <kgb> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YgYZlIzBjaM/TsZEjMHsC4I/AAAAAAAADTM/I51ZIkVgZ30/s1600/Selection_621.png and in case of the Y PPA MANAGER: it's in the GUI, under "Manage PPAs". :)
[05:45] <xubuntu02w> Thanks
[05:47] <kgb> hope it helps.. just someone needs to speak up about what enigmail should be using for encryption w/thunderbird :DD
[06:06] <subscious> hey there. When I close my lid and open it up again my mousecursor disappears on xubuntu 16.04. Is this a known bug? will it be adressed?
[06:07] <subscious> the same thing happens when I lock the display with ctrl+alt+del
[06:07] <subscious> brb
[06:12] <subscious> this is really anoying. As of now I have to log out or kill the xserver loosing all my open progress. Is there maybe something else I can do to regain the cursor?
[06:31] <puckz> Hi all! Xubuntu 16.04... after returning from locked screen I don't see the mouse pointer. Any solution?
[06:35] <Unit193> puckz: Does it work to flip to TTY1 and back to 7?
[06:37] <puckz> Unit193: Sorry, how do I flip between TTY's? :-)
[06:37] <Unit193> !tty
[06:38] <puckz> Unit193: It works! Thanks a zillion!
[06:38] <Unit193> Sure thing, doc.
[06:45] <flocculant> puckz: 1568604
[06:45] <flocculant> meh bug 1568604
[06:46] <flocculant> 3 methods there to get the cursor back - one stops it occurring
[06:47] <Unit193> Knew that had to be somewhere.
[06:47] <flocculant> :)
[06:47] <flocculant> like on the notes ...
[11:47] <tombgi> just had a fun time getting xubuntu installed alongside windows 10
[11:48] <tombgi> could only boot into xubuntu at first, then grub-customizer saved the day
[11:48] <tombgi> but then couldn't get the grub menu to respond to more than one keypress after that
[11:49] <tombgi> so could scroll to another OS but not enter into it
[11:49] <tombgi> weirdly, grub console still worked fine and i could use that to boot into other OSes
[11:49] <tombgi> still looking into it
[11:49] <nikolam> haven't tried w10, but in my previous life, I always used to install windows first and any linux next
[11:50] <tombgi> yeah, i did the same thing
[11:50] <nikolam> with my current life and adding new linux disk to the system that already had W8 dual boot, I must say Windows generally sucs
[11:50] <tombgi> usually had good experiences with it
[11:50] <tombgi> with installing alongside, not good experiences with windows
[11:51] <nikolam> I suppose one needs to first recover with windows (Used to use /fixboot /fixmbr in windows recover boot) and then to recover linux boot form live cd
[11:51] <tombgi> i'm not sure what happened at first
[11:51] <tombgi> windows wasn't showing up in the grub menu
[11:51] <tombgi> just had to readd it
[11:51] <nikolam> so since no experience with w10.. I just had to vent it :P
[11:51] <tombgi> so i can boot into either now
[11:52] <tombgi> haha, fair enough
[11:52] <tombgi> i just have to boot into linux through the grub2 command prompt
[11:52] <tombgi> not too tricky though
[11:52] <nikolam> update-grub I suppose should finde widnozes, too
[11:52] <nikolam> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[11:53] <nikolam> but depends what windows itself winds as it's problem with, maybe new disk config etc
[11:57] <tombgi> mm idk
[13:53] <xubuntu19w> hello, I'm trying to install linux on a laptop but everytime I boot after the logo shows, the screen goes black and stays like that
[13:56] <flocculant> xubuntu19w: without knowing more about the laptop - are you talking about booting with the livecd or usb?
[13:57] <flocculant> if so - reboot - hit any key when you see the kbd/man logo at the bottom, F6, choose nomodeset then enter
[13:57] <xubuntu19w> it's a usb
[13:57] <flocculant> k - try that
[13:57] <xubuntu19w> ok let me try
[13:58] <xubuntu19w> it's a compaq 6715b
[13:58] <xubuntu19w> 2gb ram
[13:58] <xubuntu19w> amd sempron 4000+
[14:03] <xubuntu19w> ok, I've chosen nomodeset but it stays there
[14:03] <flocculant> pressed enter?
[14:03] <xubuntu19w> there's only an "X" next to it
[14:03] <xubuntu19w> yes
[14:03] <flocculant> mmm
[14:04] <flocculant> is this 16.04?
[14:04] <xubuntu19w> do I need to exit out of the f6 menu after I've selected
[14:04] <xubuntu19w> ?
[14:04] <xubuntu19w> yes 16.04
[14:04] <flocculant> just a sec
[14:05] <flocculant> yea sorry
[14:05] <flocculant> once selected - escape - then enter :)
[14:05] <xubuntu19w> ok
[14:07] <flocculant> xubuntu19w: is it booting now?
[14:07] <xubuntu19w> so far it's showing the logo
[14:07] <xubuntu19w> and now the screen has gone black
[14:07] <xubuntu19w> same as before
[14:07] <flocculant> give it a minute
[14:08] <xubuntu19w> alright
[14:08] <xubuntu19w> thanks for the help
[14:08] <xubuntu19w> I appreciate it
[14:08] <flocculant> don't know an awful lot about ati/amd gpu's - which that appears to have
[14:08] <xubuntu19w> yes, it's an ati
[14:08] <flocculant> yup
[14:09] <xubuntu19w> I tried to download some drivers through the f4 option but it doesn't give me that option
[14:10] <flocculant> shouildn't need to do anything like that
[14:11] <xubuntu19w> I've tried different distros
[14:11] <flocculant> and same issue?
[14:11] <xubuntu19w> but all come to the same black screen after the logo
[14:11] <flocculant> mmm
[14:11] <xubuntu19w> I've even tried the lightest ones
[14:12] <flocculant> xubuntu19w: when you say you've tried different distros - is that recently?
[14:12] <xubuntu19w> yes
[14:12] <flocculant> or in the past?
[14:12] <xubuntu19w> these past few days
[14:12] <flocculant> what have you tried?
[14:13] <xubuntu19w> linux mint, elementary, ubuntu mint, lubuntu, chomium
[14:15] <xubuntu19w> I've even format the hard disk and reinstalled windows
[14:15] <xubuntu19w> with all the drivers updated
[14:15] <flocculant> that'd make no difference :)
[14:16] <xubuntu19w> lol ok
[14:16] <xubuntu19w> I can't figure out what it is
[14:17] <flocculant> xubuntu19w: not finding much - but just got in from work - but http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2306298&p=13406734#post13406734 tends to point towards noapci and nolapic
[14:17] <xubuntu19w> ok, so I should choose those and try
[14:17] <flocculant> which are both options in the F6 menu where nomodeset was
[14:18] <flocculant> not even sure what they are tbh - have a look at http://askubuntu.com/questions/52096/what-do-the-different-boot-options-mean-i-e-acpi-off-noapic-nolapic-etc
[14:18] <xubuntu19w> I'll try them
[14:18] <flocculant> I would
[14:18] <flocculant> at least to try and get the livesession booted :)
[14:19] <xubuntu19w> sure thing
[14:19] <xubuntu19w> I appreciate it
[14:19] <flocculant> welcome :)
[14:22] <xubuntu19w> I'm trying now, I've even cleaned the ventilation shaft, it was full. Now the fan runs smoothly
[14:24] <xubuntu19w> it didn't work, same black screen
[14:36] <michael_> hi, are some rpi users here?
[14:36] <flocculant> xubuntu19w: mmm - sorry - not going to be much here now
[14:38] <flocculant> wait around maybe and see if anyone lurking has some idea
[15:02] <michael_> no raspberry users here?
[15:04] <flocculant> michael_: even if there are - you'd have to get support elsewhere I'm afraid - not supported in this channel
[15:05] <michael_> flocculant, any idea on what channel?
[15:08] <flocculant> michael_: could try #raspberrypi
[15:08] <flocculant> other than that - not a clue I'm afraid
[15:08] <flocculant> https://ubuntu-pi-flavour-maker.org/
[15:09] <flocculant> there is an xubuntu image - but it's not supported
[15:11] <michael_> if xubuntu, lubuntu and ubutu-mate are based on the same, then all these images got the same bug with audio via hdmi on the rpi. are they based on the same?
[15:12] <flocculant> michael_: I'd imagine so - almost all the *buntu things are based on the same
[15:12] <flocculant> but couldn't be positive about it
[15:12] <michael_> because, on xbian i have no problems with that, also kernel 4.4.x ... ah, ok :(
[15:12] <flocculant> but ask one of the other *buntu which is supported :)
[15:13] <michael_> ok, thanks for help :)
[15:13] <michael_> bye
[15:30] <tsaavik> I think I figured out why editable accelerators are not working, nothing I change in the apperance menu has any effect (I changed style and nothing happens)
[17:24] <Black_SOKOL> Anyone speak Russian?
[17:24] <krytarik> !ru | Black_SOKOL
[21:02] <Qunhor> how do I install 16.04 after i download it
[21:02] <Qunhor> and whare do i downoad it to?
[21:03] <Qunhor> h
[21:05] <knome> !install | Qunhor
[21:06] <Qunhor> thank u so much


[00:25] <jandrusk> Just VM'd Precise and have no issues with task switching. Awesome.
[03:38]  * dzho grabbed some beta1 images today
[13:56] <canthus13> Good morning, figments.
[14:01] <paultag> morning
[14:51] <thafreak> Morning
[14:51] <thafreak> http://logs.omegle.com/6fe7d


[01:09] <Azelphur> ${execgraph echo 100} "your exec value is not between 0 and 100"
[01:09]  * Azelphur stabs conky in the face
[04:54] <MartijnVdS> poor conky
[06:56] <diplo> Morning all
[06:56] <DJones> Morning
[07:14] <AlanBell> morning
[07:25] <christel> good morning :)
[07:58] <mattt> morning morning
[08:04] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:08] <czajkowski> bleugh
[08:09]  * bigcalm tickles czajkowski
[08:09] <czajkowski> I wouldnt if I were you
[08:10] <popey> morning
[08:10] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:11] <diplo> What a great week, only another few hours till it's over
[08:11] <diplo> :(
[08:12] <bigcalm> czajkowski: would you prefer a poke?
[08:13] <bigcalm> 24 hours (I hope) until we set off for Farnham
[08:13]  * czajkowski would like to curl up and sleep
[08:13]  * czajkowski wont be making it to RAT either
[08:13] <bigcalm> popey: I hope there will be better weather for our arrival
[08:13] <czajkowski> been sick most of this week
[08:13] <bigcalm> :(
[08:13] <czajkowski> and feel like utter crap
[08:14] <bigcalm> czajkowski: that's not fair :(
[08:14] <czajkowski> indeed
[08:14] <czajkowski> my ears are popping today it's just been one long wek of feeling ill
[08:14] <czajkowski> I need this week to be over
[08:15] <bigcalm> Have you worked instead of recovering?
[08:15] <diplo> Not sure how many game people are in here, but Steam Summer sale, anyone recommend a game like BattleField2 where you can wander around rather than follow a story line
[08:16] <bigcalm> It's prolonged my colds before now. These days I listen to Hayley when she tells me to stay in bed and not work
[08:16] <diplo> Like cod etc but just want to jump in and out of a game and just about worn bf2 out
[08:16]  * popey points diplo at gord
[08:16] <bigcalm> diplo: I think directhex knows all
[08:16] <popey> and directhex :)
[08:16] <diplo> bigcalm: I do that, always work through illness :/
[08:16] <diplo> Stupid
[08:17] <diplo> ta, you have both mentioned them now, I'll await
[08:17] <bigcalm> Heh
[08:17] <diplo> I used to game 8-10 hours a day, but since kids pretty much stopped.. just trying to find something to do in the evenings except the telly
[08:17] <diplo> So got old gaming PC out
[08:17] <popey> diplo, code :)
[08:18] <bigcalm> Heh
[08:18] <diplo> I code all day :/
[08:18] <popey> i have stopped playing minecraft until I finish a couple of coding projects
[08:18] <diplo> for last 2 years I barely go on my PC at night as I felt like I hated it :)
[08:18] <bigcalm> Yeah, that does put a dampener on ones will to code for fun
[08:18] <diplo> I've still never played minecraft :)
[08:18] <bigcalm> diplo: give it a go?
[08:19] <bigcalm> popey: but will either ever be 'finished'?
[08:19] <popey> yes
[08:19] <popey> oh, you mean minecraft? :)
[08:19]  * czajkowski has never played minecraft
[08:19] <bigcalm> Heh
[08:19] <czajkowski> I figure this is good or I'd be addicted
[08:20] <popey> tbh trublr just needs a little bit of work
[08:20] <popey> not much :)
[08:20] <diplo> That's the thing with minecraft, worried I won't get away from it
[08:21] <bigcalm> The addiction fades
[08:21] <gord> diplo, ARMA2 i guess, or maybe battlefield 3
[08:21] <popey> why is my coffee and toast taking so long to arrive!
[08:22] <bigcalm> popey: because you haven't bribed your children enough
[08:22] <bigcalm> popey: they need more training
[08:22] <popey> i think its because i muted wifes phone
[08:22] <popey> so now she doesn't hear the facebook pings from me
[08:22] <bigcalm> Haha
[08:23] <bigcalm> You requested breakfast via Facebook?
[08:23] <diplo> gord: Is BF3 like BF2 but just newer ? IE Gameplay
[08:23] <diplo> I've got arma but seemed to fail to get into it, may try again
[08:23] <gord> not really, its more like call of duty. but still has planes and jets
[08:23] <diplo> can you free play though ?
[08:23] <gord> er helis and jets
[08:24] <gord> what do you mean by free play
[08:24] <popey> wander around like GTA3
[08:24] <gord> but you couldn't do that in bf2 ;) not without getting shot in the face
[08:25] <diplo> heh, I just like i could go in bf2 on a big map and not follow a story line, just play against bots
[08:26] <gord> ah okay, no, you can do that in ARMA2, but in bf3 its vs online people or story
[08:26] <bigcalm> Sounds like IRC to me
[08:26] <gord> but the online is very well done
[08:26] <diplo> yeah not sure I want to play online anymore, worried I'll get addicted to it again :D
[08:26] <bigcalm> hl2 dm :D
[08:26] <diplo> Used to play *alot*
[08:27] <bigcalm> diplo: you played gord?
[08:27] <bigcalm> Oh, wrong spelling :)
[08:27] <dwatkins> I played gord in a sitcom once.
[08:27] <diplo> In original cod, top ten people on global stats, 6 of those were from my clan
[08:28] <diplo> and dod we were fairly high up, then we all either grew up / had kids / got married :/
[08:29] <bigcalm> Time and life are vicious
[08:29]  * bigcalm looks down at his beer belly
[08:29] <gord> sounds like you had a lot of fun, sounds like rekindling that would be a lot of fun too
[08:30] <diplo> yeah miss it, used to go to the Multiplay Lans down in newbury for many years
[08:30] <diplo> Lot's of beer and gaming
[08:32] <bigcalm> christel: have you found your RAT tickets yet?
[08:35] <popey> \o/ coffee and toast arrive!
[08:35] <bigcalm> It's a kind of magic
[08:35] <popey> indeed
[08:35] <bigcalm> I doubt it will work for me though
[08:39] <christel> bigcalm: i have not yet looked
[08:42]  * bigcalm tickles christel into action
[08:49] <directhex> someone rang? diplo?
[08:49] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Friday the 13th! >:-)
[08:51] <diplo> Just talking about games directhex
[08:51] <directhex> ah, my specialty
[08:51] <diplo> Wondering if anyone can recommend a BF2 esq style one where you can wander around
[08:52] <diplo> Don't want a story line
[08:52] <directhex> multiplayer?
[08:52] <diplo> gord has mentioned ARMA, single player preferably so i can switch on and off at will when kids are about
[08:52] <diplo> Everything seems to be story line now, and not bots you can play against
[08:53] <directhex> i can see why he'd recommend ARMA. it's a reasonable option
[08:53] <directhex> it's not really a genre i engage in. i love stories
[08:53] <diplo> I've got a version at home, probably bought 3 year or so ago
[08:54] <diplo> I liked the cod stories tbh, first time I'd ever completed a game from start to finish
[08:54] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:54] <diplo> But stopped playing after Modern Warfare
[08:55] <directhex> MW3 is on sale :D
[08:55] <directhex> i wonder how you'd do with STALKER. it's got a storyline. on paper. but it's far too freeform for my tastes
[08:55] <diplo> Hmm, I've head of that
[08:55] <diplo> heard*
[08:55] <diplo> I'll take a look ta
[08:57] <bigcalm> Robocod?
[08:57] <directhex> and, traditionally, operation flashpoint is The(tm) series for this stuff. but maybe i'm showing my age
[08:58] <diplo> yeah used to play that a long time ago, but one version i tried i just couldn't get into
[09:17] <gord> hrm, sent a cancellation request to my ISP so i can switch to fibre, now i'm getting terrible internet. i'm overly suspicious!
[09:18] <popey> you going FTTC?
[09:18] <gord> yeah, quoted 80mbit, we'll see
[09:18] <popey> infinity or whatever its called?
[09:18] <popey> golly
[09:18] <gord> zen, infinity reseller
[09:19] <popey> my virgin cable is supposed to go from 30 to 60 "sometime between october and july next year"
[09:20] <gord> the > 100mbit fibre stuff should start rolling out next year i think, but that means upgrading my network from 100 -> 1000mbit :(... and i don't need that much bandwidth either
[09:20] <oimon> in libreoffice calc, how do i stop autocomplete in a cell? i am typing cheese but don't want cheeseburger to appear when i press return after typing cheese
[09:20] <oimon> my workaround is to press space after and delete the space
[09:20] <oimon> but i want better
[09:27] <inn0min4t3> Good afternoon :)
[09:28] <oimon> talking of games (directhex, gord) anyone know of a good WWII dogfight game on any platform?
[09:28] <directhex> oimon, il2 sturmovic is the best regarded for that iirc
[09:28] <oimon> my fave game of yore was chocks away
[09:28] <gord> yes get il2
[09:28] <gord> but only if you have a joystick
[09:28] <oimon> i played il2 on xbox 360 but didn't seem to have that wow factor :-\
[09:28] <gord> its not the same game
[09:28] <oimon> how about if i plug a ps2 controller into pc?
[09:28] <gord> il2 sturmovic on pc is amazing
[09:29] <gord> no, get a joystick
[09:29] <directhex> sorry, you want a dogfighting game with a joypad? that's not a dogfighting game, it's an arcade shooter
[09:29] <directhex> you need a joystick the size of a house, with full manual throttle
[09:30] <gord> here is a great lp of sturmovik, it should convince you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3nY-1ShU80&list=PLCA1B7F12E836EC5D&index=2&feature=plpp_video
[09:30] <oimon> which version of il2 on pc?
[09:30] <gord> oimon: http://www.gog.com/gamecard/il_2_sturmovik_1946 this one
[09:30]  * BigRedS loves his il2
[09:30] <inn0min4t3> On the subject of games, I was happy to see that Heroes of Newearth have a Linux client.. Even if League of Legends doesn't :(
[09:30] <BigRedS> though I've been missing it recently. Doesn't want to work either on my Ubuntu or Wintendo 7 installs :(
[09:31] <oimon> does it work on wine perchance?
[09:31] <oimon> gord, ?
[09:31] <gord> no idea, i play it on my windows 7 machine
[09:31] <oimon> ah gameOS
[09:31] <gord> i would guess it does though, it has an opengl mode and is old and popular enough
[09:32] <oimon> just flicked through the youtube vids and didn't see any planes :P
[09:33] <gord> well not if you flick through ;P head to the russian campaign he did for more great action
[09:33] <oimon> ah, found the 58 planes combat one
[09:33] <inn0min4t3> That game would work fine using WINE (http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=1838)
[09:36] <oimon> wish i was near farnborough this week
[09:36] <oimon> like seeing the old planes
[09:37] <oimon> thanks for advice chaps, think i will invest in il2 then
[09:38] <BigRedS> gord: I've got it working before, but it doesn't appear to OOTB on Precise
[09:39] <BigRedS> I've put precisely zero effort in to troubleshooting it though
[09:40] <popey> oimon, its overrated
[09:40] <oimon> popey, my dad lives in farnham, it's quite cool to be in the garden on a sunny day when a lanc flies over though
[09:40] <oimon> the traffic is terrible though
[09:41] <oimon> i'm still a child when a jet flies overhead, i run out of the house
[09:42] <BigRedS> yeah, every time I leave London on the M4, M11 or M23 there's a good chance I'll ride into something 'cause I'm watching a 737 or something overhead...
[09:44] <diplo> Hmm Il2 Sturm, I have that...
[09:44] <oimon> diplo, you like?
[09:45] <diplo> yeah think I did, not played it in a long time
[09:45] <diplo> Might dig that as well
[09:45] <oimon> probably easier than spinning up an archimedes emulator for chocks away to discover the graphis and gameplay are better in my memories
[09:47] <directhex> heh. hate it when that happens
[09:47] <directhex> happy to say super metroid is as wonderful today as it was in the 90's though <3
[09:49] <oimon> il2 is on offer from steam..£6.69 - do steam games come with drm?
[09:49] <oimon> i.e. can i copy it from a win box running steam client to a linux box
[09:50] <directhex> steam itself is technically a DRM platform
[09:50] <directhex> games may optionally include a second, thicker layer of DRM (e.g. recent ubisoft games with their always-on nonsense)
[09:51] <BigRedS> oimon: you can install steam under wine
[09:51] <BigRedS> but otherwise, no. I think steam games are pretty dependent on several steam libraries
[09:51] <oimon> meh
[09:51] <BigRedS> I only tried it a couple of times before just installing steam in wine
[09:51] <oimon> does that work as expected?
[09:51] <BigRedS> With games I have a very low arsedness threshold. If it's too much like work to get them going I just do some work and get paid for it instead
[09:52] <oimon> i noticed there's another il2 game released: cliffs of dover
[09:52] <oimon> last year
[09:52] <BigRedS> yeah, it was pretty good. I only played HL2, though, not IL2
[09:52] <BigRedS> My IL2 is a non-steam CD
[09:54] <directhex> it depends on the game, FWIW, as to how tightly the steamclient.dll dependency is coded in
[09:54] <directhex> some games basically don't require it at all (old DOS games bundled with dosbox, mainly)
[09:54] <directhex> if the game has achievements, it has tighter coupling, for obvious raisins
[09:55] <directhex> or cloud saves
[09:55] <BigRedS> obvious raisins? I do not like those
[09:56] <BigRedS> thoigh they're better than ones that're sneakily hidden in cake. Those are the worst
[09:56] <BigRedS> But, anyway, IL2 doesn't integrate into steam at all, so you might be okay
[09:57] <oimon> sounds like a lot of if buts and maybes.
[09:57] <oimon> maybe i should buy the DVD of the game @4.45 :-\
[10:03] <directhex> oimon, but then you'd have to wait, like some kind of webless savage
[10:04] <oimon> i'm a daddy, i think i'll prob have to wait for a wek before i get an hour to play it
[10:04] <oimon> ah, my wiff is out for 1 hr tonight.hmmm
[10:04] <oimon> probably take more than that to configure in wine :-\
[10:11] <directhex> i get to play games every 3 hours!
[10:12] <diplo> every 3 hours ?
[10:12] <directhex> yes!
[10:12] <directhex> well, about 3.5 at the moment
[10:13] <diplo> nice
[10:15] <oimon> i've recently come back to firefox, is there a way to see what tab is killing my cpu?
[10:18] <gord> its the one with twitter in it
[10:19] <diplo> heh or G+
[10:19] <diplo> But I've just downloaded opera and I must say first time I've used it in years and it's quick
[10:24] <oimon> looks like it was a dead facebook went wrong tab
[10:24] <diplo> on FB whilst at work!
[10:24] <diplo> :P
[10:25] <oimon> "on FB" means having a tab open, then yes :D
[10:26] <oimon> turns out there's lots of mods and maps for il2 too ..
[10:26] <diplo> ooh, my joystick is about as old as old :)
[10:26] <diplo> serial to usb convertor on it
[10:27] <directhex> ._.
[10:27] <directhex> serial or MIDI?
[10:29] <diplo> not sure tbh, not used in a long time
[10:29] <diplo> but from what i remember of usb convertors it could be midi
[10:29]  * diplo googles
[10:33] <diplo> Still none the wiser, but from memory it worked before
[10:33] <oimon> how do joysticks/gamepads work with wine? is it decided by the game?
[10:33] <AdvoWork> Hi there. I've decided its time to give something back to Ubuntu, where do I begin :p
[10:33] <oimon> only used one before with n64 emulator, and that had an interface to config it
[10:34] <directhex> AdvoWork, what are your skills?
[10:35] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:35] <popey> !contribute
[10:35] <popey> AdvoWork, ^^
[10:36] <directhex> popey, translation is missing from that url
[10:36] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu#Translation
[10:36] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[10:36] <popey> you're right about the first one tho
[10:37]  * popey files a bug
[10:37] <popey> oh, directhex its under "non technical users"
[10:37] <popey> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/get-involved/non-technical-users
[10:41] <diplo> I really think my work is trying to make me get really peaved this week
[10:41] <diplo> php4 issues and now perl :(
[10:42] <AdvoWork> directhex, erm, i know various distributions(ubuntu,centos,freebsd) various other things such as asterisk/trixbox/xen, coding wise (php/js/smarty/) apache and so forth. Some things better than others
[10:42] <jacobw> morning
[10:42] <jacobw> AdvoWork: packaging
[10:43] <jacobw> what's smarty?
[10:43] <AlanBell> a templating system
[10:43] <AlanBell> it can be used for good or for evil
[10:43] <directhex> AdvoWork, bug fixing is useful, if occasionally tedious
[10:43] <directhex> we use smarty at work
[10:43] <directhex> for evil
[10:43] <directhex> we glued movable type into smarty
[10:44]  * AlanBell is trying to get some vtiger smarty stuff to not be broken right now
[10:45] <directhex> i might be biased, but i think making new mono-based games is obviously the most valuable thing one can do
[10:45] <AdvoWork> directhex, smarty annoys the life out of me, i'm going to try and get rid of it this year
[10:45] <AdvoWork> it makes quite a difference in page loading too sometimes.
[10:46] <AdvoWork> out of interest, do you all have regular meetings?
[10:46] <jacobw> domain language of php?
[10:46] <jacobw> !meetings
[10:46] <directhex> AdvoWork, anyway, the links popey pasted are surprisingly good. i guess the key thing to do is find a niche that interests, and maybe even excites, you. you're not going to be a good contributor on things you don't care much about, since it feels too much like "work"
[10:46] <directhex> AdvoWork, what motivates is benefiting yourself from your efforts, and seeing your improvements in visible ways
[10:48] <AdvoWork> yeah, i'll have a bit of a browse and see what I can help with. I've been to one meeting/conference(last year) i think, in London, but cant remember who was doing it now
[10:54] <AlanBell> AdvoWork: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1824/detail/
[10:56] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod what phone you got kidda
[11:02] <jacobw> the famous barbecue :)
[11:02] <AlanBell> jacobw: starting to get slightly concerned about the weather now
[11:03] <czajkowski> davmor2: galaxy nexus
[11:03] <davmor2> czajkowski: and how is jelly bean, and keep mentioning on twitter I want to see if fab explodes :D
[11:04]  * MartijnVdS loves jelly bean
[11:04] <MartijnVdS> \o/ galaxy nexus
[11:04]  * MartijnVdS is waiting for 4.1 on Xoom
[11:04] <Myrtti> jellyben ♥
[11:04] <brobostigon> :)
[11:04] <Myrtti> bean, even
[11:05] <czajkowski> davmor2: whats up with him ?
[11:05] <davmor2> czajkowski: see twitter he is saying things like ICS is the new JB
[11:07] <czajkowski> meh
[11:07] <czajkowski> for sanity sake I dont follow him :)
[12:02]  * AlanBell wonders whether to renew givehugs.net
[12:02]  * christel gives hugs to AlanBell
[12:03] <AlanBell> was going to be a like/+1 button thingie, but less evil (or run for my own evil benefit rather than an evil corporation)
[12:03] <AlanBell> so on a blog post or whatever you could add a hug button along with the G+/Tweet/reddit stuff
[12:04] <MartijnVdS> popey, AlanBell, Laney: You can now move your G+ contacts to another account!
[12:04] <MartijnVdS> Log in with  the "unwanted" account on google.com/takeout
[12:04] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: I'm waiting for the promised ICS still but if I get JB in the meant ime I'll be more than happy :)
[12:04] <MartijnVdS> and you can select it
[12:05] <Laney> MartijnVdS: ah, nice
[12:05] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: On which device?
[12:05] <MartijnVdS> Laney, popey: https://plus.google.com/117826731803569547326/posts/5EXAuM3QJrP
[12:06] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: Xoom
[12:07] <Laney> There's a 7 day waiting period before your transfer begins.
[12:07] <Laney> yah boo
[12:08] <Laney> would be nice if it took content too I guess, but still good
[12:10] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: ah, still no ICS on yours? Time to flash one of the factory images :)
[12:11] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: http://rootzwiki.com/topic/1586-stock-images/
[12:11] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: still under Warranty so I'll upgrade with official but thanks :)
[12:12] <AdvoWork> is this down for anyone else? or is there a different page? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers
[12:13] <diplo> Just jumped on a customers server because it wasn't doing an update to their site
[12:13] <diplo> Rogue process been using 90% cpu since may 10th
[12:13] <diplo> and no one has complained!
[12:14] <diplo> the link redirects yes AdvoWork
[12:14] <diplo> ymm no it doesn't
[12:15]  * diplo sets /ignore diplo
[12:17] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: _if_ it ever comes :)
[12:17] <oimon> i wanna buy a tiny hand drill than takes really small drill bits, like this - what would it be called?
[12:17] <oimon> http://www.newmodellersshop.co.uk/images/expo_tools/750-10.jpg
[12:18] <jacobw> oimon: what's the dimensions of that grid?
[12:18] <oimon> probably the length is 4 inches for the hand drill
[12:18] <oimon> apparently it's a revolving top pin vice
[12:19] <directhex> was about to say, looks like a pin vice to me
[12:19] <oimon> i need it for modelling
[12:19] <directhex> i sold one recently on ebay
[12:19] <oimon> :(
[12:19] <It> net
[12:19] <directhex> http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat470006a&prodId=prod1095460 ?
[12:20] <oimon> my copy to usb stick has taken 1hr so far...1 hr to go
[12:20] <oimon> :-\
[12:23] <oimon> directhex, do you make models?
[12:24] <directhex> oimon, not for more than a decade now
[12:32] <oimon> when i put the laptop down and do some modelling i always wonder why i don't prioritise it , it's very de-stressing
[12:40] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: well yes
[12:53]  * bigcalm returns
[12:54] <davmor2> bigcalm: Hey dude, have you seen JB on you sgs3?
[12:54] <bigcalm> davmor2: should I be expecting it?
[12:55] <bigcalm> I don't actually know how to check for updates on this handset :D
[12:55] <davmor2> bigcalm: no I just wondered if you'd done a search and seen a video :D
[12:56] <Twinkletoes> Is there any reason my 10.04 LTS isn't detecting that 12.04 is out?  the setting on Update Manager is set to "Prompt=lts"
[12:56] <bigcalm> Twinkletoes: yes, it'll be available once 12.04.1 is released
[12:56] <Twinkletoes> bigcalm: Ah, ok - thank you :)
[12:57] <bigcalm> Twinkletoes: which I was expecting 1st July. So I don't know what's the state of play
[12:57] <bigcalm> davmor2: Not looked. It any good?
[12:58] <davmor2> bigcalm: I don't know that's why I thought I'd ask you, you spanner :)
[12:58] <bigcalm> :P
[12:58] <bigcalm> 4 hours until I'm on holiday for a week
[12:59]  * bigcalm tries to contain his excitement
[13:00] <davmor2> and fails
[13:00] <bigcalm> Are you sure?
[13:01] <davmor2> I think that was you about as excited as you get, so yes I'm sure :P
[13:01] <bigcalm> Heh
[13:01] <bigcalm> You know the reasons
[13:02]  * bigcalm picks up Learning Python for some light afternoon reading
[13:04] <davmor2> bigcalm: have a look at this instead http://www.doughellmann.com/PyMOTW/  loads of code snippets with pretty good explanations on what and how it works (it might help you more than just a book
[13:04] <bigcalm> davmor2: ta
[13:05] <davmor2> )
[13:15] <christel> bigcalm: PANIC OVER
[13:15] <christel> i found my tickets
[13:16] <bigcalm> Yippie :D
[13:16] <bigcalm> christel: prepared to be tickled!
[13:16] <christel> woop
[13:20] <DJones> AlanBell: Any interest? http://www.thevarguy.com/2012/07/13/selling-linux-pcs-to-senior-citizens-the-wow-computer/
[13:22] <davmor2> this is a class tune http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9OsdvZu-I8&feature=related and popey it from the 90's :D
[13:23] <davmor2> christel: he said tickled not do an impression of zoidburg :D
[13:23] <christel> haha
[13:28] <diplo> Class is a bit strong davmor2 :P
[13:34] <bigcalm> Heh
[13:37] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: wubwubwubwub!
[13:37] <davmor2> see now MartijnVdS has turned into Zoidburg
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> People know my name!
[13:47] <jacobw> bigcalm: check out http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596515829.do and http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596516499.do for ways of learning python whilst learning something else
[13:49] <bigcalm> Interesting
[13:55] <bigcalm> I can do hello world in python now
[13:55] <bigcalm> What more do I need?
[13:56] <mattt> bigcalm: what about herro world?
[13:56] <bigcalm> :O
[13:57] <bigcalm> You have turned my world upside down
[13:57] <mattt> my work is done
[13:57]  * mattt is afk
[13:58] <jacobw> tip: don't write python code with python3 features and expect it with on lucid
[13:58] <jacobw> work with lucid even
[13:58] <davmor2> bigcalm: use QT and do it in a gui
[13:59] <bigcalm> So print, not print() ?
[13:59] <ali1234> print() always works
[13:59] <ali1234> due to the way tuples are parsed
[13:59] <ali1234> it might not have the same results but it won't crash
[13:59] <bigcalm> I still can't get my head around the lack of ; at the end of statements
[13:59] <davmor2> bigcalm: print('moo') iirc is the way it will work in python3
[14:01] <jacobw> print "{object} does {subject}".format(object=name,subject=thing)
[14:01] <jacobw> labels in {} within strings can be replaced with variables using string.format()
[14:01] <bigcalm> Fun
[14:02] <davmor2> bigcalm: it could be worse you could be looking at perl :D
[14:03] <bigcalm> I know perl
[14:03] <bigcalm> Or used to
[14:03] <ali1234> the problem with perl is everybody knows a slightly different dialect
[14:04] <jacobw> features like dictionary comprehension and list comprehensions make python awesome
[14:05] <ali1234> yeah
[14:05] <Azelphur> Hmm, conky has a variable called wireless_link_qual, it shows a number saying what my signal quality is, currently it's 69/70. What unit would that be in?
[14:05] <ali1234> but those are just nice syntax for common design patterns
[14:05] <ali1234> which is the way it should be
[14:06] <ali1234> Azelphur: "qualities"
[14:06] <Azelphur> haha
[14:07] <ali1234> anyway you answered your own question
[14:07] <ali1234> it's 69/70
[14:07] <Azelphur> yea but 69/70 what, dBm?
[14:07] <ali1234> no
[14:07] <Azelphur> %?
[14:07] <ali1234> it's unitless
[14:07] <ali1234> it's not percent either
[14:07] <Azelphur> you can't have a unitless measurement
[14:07] <Azelphur> that's madness
[14:07] <ali1234> if it was 69/100 it would be percent
[14:08] <ali1234> it's 69/70 so it's per-seventy
[14:08] <Azelphur> sorry, I meant it hovers between 69 and 70
[14:08] <Azelphur> I'll go with percent
[14:09] <ali1234> the real answer is every wireless chipset uses a different unit
[14:09] <ali1234> so there's no way of knowing
[14:09] <Azelphur> fun
[14:10] <davmor2> Azelphur: All you need to know is it's one less than 71 :D
[14:10] <Azelphur> hehe
[14:12] <jacobw> you could add another line of code to make it a percent
[14:13] <Azelphur> ali1234: aha, it is in magical pony units, It has a wireless_link_qual_max variable too
[14:13] <Darael> Azelphur: of course you can have unitless measurements.  Boson numbers, strangeness...
[14:13] <Azelphur> but it also has wireless_link_qual_perc, so I'll use that instead
[14:24] <jacobw> i'm looking for offline games for ubuntu to play this weekend
[14:24] <jacobw> i have roughly an hour to download thing before i head home
[14:25] <bigcalm> 2.5 hoursish until holiday \o/
[14:25] <jacobw> i already have warzone 2100
[14:25]  * jacobw mails bigcalm a real live python for his return
[14:26] <bigcalm> Hah
[14:45] <diplo> Me being all pompous and saying o2 hadn't affected me yesterday
[14:45] <diplo> Well I now can't send txts or calls
[14:46] <diplo> yet all says ok
[14:46] <diplo> :(
[14:56] <bigcalm> Does rebooting the phone help?
[14:56] <bigcalm> Or turning off radio and back on again
[14:57] <diplo> Nope and nope
[14:57] <diplo> :/
[14:57] <diplo> Turned to 2g only as well
[14:57] <bigcalm> Silly o2
[14:57] <diplo> yer :(
[14:58] <diplo> mate just text me to test, so can defo receive them
[15:02] <diplo> Hmm, maybe my fault
[15:02] <diplo> :P
[15:04] <diplo> Defo was my fault, I really shouldn't have got out of bed this morning
[15:06] <bigcalm> 1 hour, 54 mins
[15:07] <diplo> 54mins...
[15:08]  * jacobw is on CEST
[15:08] <jacobw> \o/
[15:10] <bigcalm> Darn you all
[15:12] <diplo> Why the work so late bigcalm ?
[15:13] <bigcalm> diplo: it's my contracted hours
[15:13] <diplo> 9-6 ?
[15:13] <bigcalm> Yep
[15:15] <diplo> Benefit of getting up later though
[15:17] <bigcalm> I took Hayley into work today. Need to remember to go and pick her up later :)
[15:17] <diplo> heh
[15:17] <bigcalm> Somebody kick me out at 6pm please?
[15:18] <diplo> I forgot my kids school meeting, work been so manic. Lucky the ex wife text me to say what room it was in so jogged my memory
[15:24] <bigcalm> Just used s-voice to set a reminder for 18:00
[15:24] <bigcalm> That was far more trouble than I'm sure it was worth
[15:30] <bigcalm> Would love this RSI in my mouse hand to go away
[15:30] <bigcalm> I hope it doesn't effect my ability to hold pints of ale tomorrow
[15:31] <jacobw> i sampled a litre of beer a few weeks ago
[15:31] <jacobw> it is with shame that i say it was physically difficult to lift
[15:31] <bigcalm> Quite a sample
[15:32] <bigcalm> A litre is less than 2 pints
[15:32]  * jacobw is not macho
[15:32] <bigcalm> Hehe
[15:32] <bigcalm> Or bad style of glass
[15:32] <jacobw> i think the glass was about twice as thick as a british pint glass
[15:34] <bigcalm> When going to a new pub, I insist on having a handled mug. They slowly learn to give me one without asking
[15:34] <bigcalm> Good training for drinking proper pints ;)
[15:35] <jacobw> hehe
[15:38] <bigcalm> Aha. I think the RSI is from trying to play Bit.trip runner
[15:38]  * bigcalm tinkers with Bastion for a bit instead
[15:39]  * jacobw → home
[15:41] <popey> bigcalm, good luck getting a handled mug on the beer train :)
[15:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> Whose on the RAT tomorrow then?
[15:49] <AlanBell> me o/
[16:19] <christel> ME!
[16:20] <daubers> YOU!
[16:20]  * christel nods
[16:24] <bigcalm> Me
[16:25] <bigcalm> popey: ho hum :)
[16:25] <bigcalm> popey: will get me a RAT glass though
[17:05] <sebsebseb> hi
[17:08] <apacheuk> evening everyone
[17:09] <bigcalm> Morning
[17:12] <apacheuk> anyone have any experience with the application webcam???? am trying to make it ssh to my vps on a none standard port, my next step is to start banging my head against the wall
[17:14] <bigcalm> apacheuk: I'm using webcam, but not of a non-standard ssh port
[17:14] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Matt Daubney] Home Sensing (what is your environment like?) - http://daubers.co.uk/2012/07/13/home-sensing-what-is-your-environment-like/
[17:15] <apacheuk> bigcalm: am thinking I'm going to have to move it back to the standard port in order to get it too work
[17:16] <bigcalm> apacheuk: I don't think you should have to. Try exporting an SSH variable before running webcam
[17:16] <bigcalm> apacheuk: I don't recall what the variable for port number is though
[17:18] <apacheuk> bigcalm: I have a config file in my .ssh dir to manage my various connections, how do you mean "Try exporting an SSH variable before running webcam"?
[17:20] <bigcalm> apacheuk: as in export SSH_PORT=12345;webcam
[17:20] <bigcalm> Or something
[17:20] <bigcalm> I don't know what the variable is or if it will work
[17:21] <apacheuk> bigcalm: ah OK, will give it a try
[17:33] <apacheuk> hmmm no luck, my only other option I guess is to save the image locally then schedule a cron job to upload the file via sftp
[18:16] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: why the export?
[18:17] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: just "SSH_PORT=12345 webcam" should set the variable for just the program you're running
[18:17] <davmor2> MOOOOOOO!
[18:21] <Azelphur> Is there anything in /proc that can tell you how long till battery is charged / discharged?
[18:21] <Azelphur> conkies $battery is broked :(
[18:23] <Azelphur> oh wait it's not broke, just really really slow to update
[18:35] <dwatkins> cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state
[18:35] <dwatkins> that shows me some information about my battery, ymmv
[18:35] <dwatkins> Azelphur: I'm sure I can leave processing that as an excercise for the reader etc.
[18:38] <Azelphur> yea, ty
[18:38] <Azelphur> dwatkins: it doesn't have an ETA there
[18:41] <dwatkins> Azelphur: I suspect that's calculated by the battery widget using the information shown there
[18:41]  * Azelphur shrugs
[18:41] <Azelphur> conky has it, it's just that it updates really really slowly, I noticed that the battery update interval is 10 seconds, so maybe that's affecting conky. Wonder if I can turn that up a bi t:)
[18:46] <dwatkins> Do you need information on your battery more frequently than every 10 seconds?
[18:47] <Azelphur> dwatkins: yea, it bugs me with conky because it takes 10 seconds to change telling me it's no longer plugged in
[18:47] <Azelphur> I'd prefer 1 second, I imagine the affect on battery life for the polling would be minimal anyway
[19:03] <popey> AlanBell, have you planned your journey to/from the RAT?
[19:03] <popey> I have, as yet, not.
[19:03] <popey> wonder if i can get back to ash vale, that's not far from home
[19:03] <dwatkins> Azelphur: ah I see what you mean, I would have expected that kind of state change to happen straightaway, like with an interrupt.
[19:04] <popey> ooh, alton -> brookwood, brookwood -> farnborough might be a winner
[19:04] <Azelphur> dwatkins: yea, ACPI kicks in and changes that it's running on battery power, but I have a "{time} until {dis}charged" line
[19:05] <Azelphur> so if you plug it in the (dis)charged switches straight away, and the time stays still for ~10 seconds
[19:34] <ali1234> "even a few rookie developers can at least make the virtual wallet more secure than a physical wallet" HAHAHAHAHA, oh wow, slashdot
[19:34] <Azelphur> oh dear
[19:34] <Azelphur> that's a recipe for disaster.
[19:36] <ali1234> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2977669&cid=40641157
[19:36] <ali1234> actually the whole comment is comedy gold
[19:36] <ali1234> "you could literally have a new one downloaded the same day"
[19:37] <ali1234> --- OR you can wait for 3 weeks while the bank does a security audit during which time your account is locked
[19:37] <Azelphur> clearly someone never taught that guy not to put all your eggs into one basket
[19:37] <ali1234> this is the kind of naivety that caused the bitcoin bubble
[19:38] <ali1234> it doesn't surprise me that slashdot, which hates bitcoin, has failed to learn any of the lessons from it
[19:38] <dwatkins> a credit card downloaded to your app... what could go wrong?
[19:38] <dwatkins> Daisy, daisy....
[19:41] <Azelphur> can anyone who is fancy with awk parse the output to xrandr to just show the current resolution?
[19:42] <ali1234> xrandr | grep \*
[19:44] <Azelphur> ali1234: almost, that gets the whole line :P
[19:44] <ali1234> lines
[19:44] <ali1234> if you have two monitors
[19:44] <Azelphur> this is for a netbook, so only one monitor
[19:45] <Azelphur> and I just want the resolution, eg 1366x768
[19:45] <dwatkins> xrandr -display :0 | grep \* | cut -f4 -d' '
[19:46] <Azelphur> ty :)
[19:46] <dwatkins> remove the -display 0 if you're not doing it via a remote login.
[19:46] <dwatkins> Sorry, but I couldn't be bothered to get up and walk over to the netbook ;)
[19:46] <Azelphur> haha
[19:47] <dwatkins> I'm not sure that's the best way, but it worked for me on 11.04, you may find a better and less error-prone way to parse it, I got that with a bit of trial-and-error.
[19:47] <dwatkins> (and ali1234's rather useful suggestion)
[19:47] <ali1234> just use xinerama api
[19:47] <ali1234> XineramaQueryScreens
[19:48] <ali1234> that's the best way to get the real setup of the display
[19:48] <Azelphur> ali1234: this is for conky lol
[19:49] <dwatkins> Azelphur: are you putting the result in a file or querying it every 10 seconds?
[19:50] <Azelphur> querying it
[21:00] <directhex> if anyone cares (e.g. diplo), il-2 is 50% off on gog.com
[21:09] <popey> what's il-2?
[21:09] <popey> oh, found it
[21:10] <popey> http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/il_2_sturmovik_1946
[21:10] <hamitron> I still not tried that since getting it before xmas
[21:15] <Azelphur> is there a way to set the unity launcher color?
[21:17] <czajkowski> popey: know if anyone else wants to go to RAT tomorrow?
[21:18] <ahayzen> Azelphur: You can in CCSM
[21:18] <Azelphur> ahayzen: ah, ty
[21:19] <ahayzen> Azelphur, Ubuntu unity plugin -> Experimental -> background color (make sure you change the opacity)
[21:19] <Azelphur> yea, found it :)
[21:19] <ahayzen> yey :)
[21:19] <popey> czajkowski, not off the top of my head, wonder if I could convince wifey to go
[21:20] <czajkowski> popey: jon has my ticket spare
[21:21] <Azelphur> ahayzen: hmm this doesn't seem to work, I've set the opacity everywhere to zero, and yet I still have a faint blue background
[21:21] <ahayzen> i set opacity to 255
[21:22] <Azelphur> ahayzen: if I do that then it totally trips out, the bar goes transparent and all the icons go solid black
[21:22] <ahayzen> blimey
[21:23] <ahayzen> guess that is why it is under experimental?
[21:23] <Azelphur> lmao, that's a bug
[21:23] <Azelphur> if I set it to #000001 it's fine
[21:23] <Azelphur> it's only if you go total black that it freaks out
[21:24] <ahayzen> yep same... total black #000000 with opacity 255 causes odd behaviour
[21:24] <Azelphur> fun
[21:26] <Azelphur> the dash home button seems to have a blue background too, dunno where it got that from
[21:26] <ahayzen> yh i noticed that...you should probably report a bug about this... unless there is one already
[21:26] <Azelphur> hehe
[21:28] <czajkowski> where did popey go
[21:34]  * bigcalm peeks in
[21:34]  * Azelphur peeks out
[22:05] <bigcalm> Doh
[22:05] <bigcalm> Was just heading off to pack
[22:06] <bigcalm> Guess I can do both
[22:06] <bigcalm> popey: anything for me to test? :)
[22:07] <popey> no :(
[22:07] <popey> well, maybe
[22:07] <popey> yes
[22:07] <popey> added a little debugging
[22:08] <bigcalm> Ah, debugging is good
[22:09]  * popey builds a deb
[22:09] <bigcalm> I think you enjoy doing that now you know how
[22:09] <popey> i do
[22:13] <Azelphur> Just finished the new conky layout for my netbook, think it came out good :D https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2012/July/2012-07-13-230914_1366x768_scrot.png
[22:14] <popey> nice
[22:14] <popey> how often does the screen update?
[22:15] <Azelphur> popey: conky updates every second
[22:18] <bigcalm> Going away from home for 4 days. Do I need a tablet as well as a laptop?
[22:19] <Azelphur> bigcalm: get the same netbook I have > no need to decide
[22:19] <bigcalm> Netbooks don't have the umf I need
[22:19]  * Azelphur shrugs
[22:19] <bigcalm> And that doesn't answer the question for what I'm packing right now :)
[22:20]  * bigcalm packs the Xoom
[22:20] <Azelphur> I generally take every piece of tech I can carry :P
[22:20] <bigcalm> I shall only take my phone on the train though
[22:20] <bigcalm> popey: bringing any tablets? :P
[22:20] <popey> haha, no
[22:21] <bigcalm> Good!
[23:06] <christel> AlanBell, popey (et al): pre-RAT burgers @ 4pm at The Mulberry <3
[23:06] <popey> yay
[23:06] <popey> mmmm burger
[23:07] <bigcalm> 18:26 train from Farnham arrives in Alton at 18:39. RAT leaves Alton at 19:20, don't miss it :)
[23:07] <popey> \o/
[23:08]  * popey goes to prepare by sleeping
[23:08] <popey> nn all
[23:08] <bigcalm> I'm too excited to sleep
[23:08] <bigcalm> But will try anyway
[23:08] <bigcalm> Long drive in the morning
[23:09] <bigcalm> Good night peeps :)
[23:09] <popey> nn


[10:50] <LaserJock> ogra: I think they went back to blue for gutsy
[10:50] <ogra> ah
[10:50] <anthony> Is Gutsy built to work with IPv6 out of the box, or will users need to change something for it?
[10:51] <slangasek> Linux pretty much autoconfigures IPv6 out-of-the-box at the kernel level now
[10:51] <__mikem> It would also be nice if xubuntu could be obtained through shipit
[10:51] <ogra> so kwwii's violet phase is over now eh ? :)
[10:51] <Riddell> __mikem: we make significant customisations to KDE, sometimes to the annoyance of upstream, the default panel quite difference.  obviously if you have specific requests we can look at those
[10:51] <stgraber> anthony: inet6 addr: fe80::219:d2ff:fe26:e216/64 Scope:Link <-- Looks like ipv6 is loaded :)
[10:51] <anthony> slangasek: I've heard some applications would need minor changes.
[10:51] <anthony> stgraber: :)
[10:52] <slangasek> at the application level, most packages have IPv6 support inherited from Debian.  There are some packages I can think of that require tweaks for IPv6.
[10:52] <__mikem> Riddell, if you could atleast customize the menu icon it would be nice since you customize the menu icon in every other ubuntu derivitive
[10:52] <Riddell> why would that be nice, we've very happy to have KDE branding
[10:52] <Riddell> there is a kubuntu logo in the system menu icon
[10:53] <ogra> scatter more of them everywhere :)
[10:53] <__mikem> what ogra said
[10:53] <ogra> yay for overbranding
[10:54] <__mikem> I think I am going to give xubuntu a spin next release
[10:58] <ogra> Riddell, btw, did you ever check if kmix works with virtual devices now ?
[10:58] <ogra> (i.e. in ltsp)
[11:04] <__mikem> heh, it looks like come kde4 time he ubuntu devs are going to have no choice but to make their own custom scheme http://mywheel.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/01/Full_Render_View.png
[11:08] <mdke> ogra: pong
[11:09] <ogra> mdke, i wanted to ask about the TOC in yelp for the edubuntu handbook, but LaserJock already talked to you i think
[11:10] <mdke> ogra: yes, it should be fixed now actually, Seb uploaded the fix today
[11:10] <ogra> yeah, i didnt have time to upgrade yet, i saw a changelog entry that made me want to test :)
[11:11] <ogra> the handbook is over 50 ages now, would be a shame if it were hidden
[11:11] <ogra> *pages
[11:11] <mdke> i tested the patch, it works
[11:11] <__mikem> I will tell you what, with all the cool ways to create the interface for kde4, if they don't put some real thought into how they make kde4 look for kubuntu, me and half the userbase is going to be very p!$$ed off
[11:11] <LaserJock> yep, works here as well
[11:11] <LaserJock> mdke: thanks a lot for that
[11:11] <mdke> np
[11:12] <ogra> mdke, fix confirmed :D
[11:44] <thully> are any devs around who have experience with suspend/power management issues.  I have a few that have been sitting in Launchpad a long time without much response that are annoying to the point of being showstoppers in daily use...
[11:46] <Riddell> ogra: I don't have anything to test it with
[11:48] <Riddell> __mikem: that's not KDE 4
[11:49] <mneptok> siretart: ping
[11:50] <siretart> mneptok: pong?
[11:51] <mneptok> siretart: is dm-crypt+cryptsetup+d-i supposed to work in the 10-02 daily?
[11:51] <siretart> mneptok: not yet, I uploaded a fixed cryptsetup package 2 minutes ago
[11:52] <siretart> mneptok: make sure that cryptsetup_1.0.5-2ubuntu1 is installed on the alternate cd
[11:52] <mneptok> siretart: cool. then the 1s and 0s spewing out of the side of this certification laptop are expected
[11:53] <mneptok> siretart: i told cjwatson i'd use our cert equipment to track it through release. so i'll just wait for tomorrow's daily.
[11:54] <mneptok> thanks for the info. if you have known b0rkeness, i'd appreciate a ping.
[11:54] <siretart> mneptok: the install is already fine with current daily
[11:54] <siretart> mneptok: the installed system will drop out to initramfs during boot
[11:54] <siretart> mneptok: in order to boot the system, you need to do the cryptsetup luksOpen dance by hand. the next cryptsetup package which is currently building will fix that
[11:54] <mneptok> siretart: not here. the 10/02 daily dies when d-i goes to configure the newly encrypted volumes.
[11:55] <siretart> mneptok: thats fisy. I installed successfully on my test machine with the test image from today
[11:55] <siretart> fishy, even
[11:56] <mneptok> it just died on a machine here. i have another machine doing a media ovrwrite that should die in ~60 minutes ;)
[11:57] <siretart> :(
[11:57] <mneptok> same behavior as the beta. after zeroing and passphrase choice, d-i dies and the framebuffer gets wonked (repairs itself with a switch to another console)
[11:59] <siretart> mneptok: that doesn't sound like an issue in dm-crypt nor cryptsetup
[12:00] <siretart> good night!
[12:07] <thully> Anyway, I have a few laptop regressions from Feisty that haven't received much Launchpad love...  Coud mjg59 or some of the other Ubuntu laptop gurus take a look?
[12:08] <thully> The bugs would be 137738 and 137598
[12:11] <elmo> www.ubuntu.com is going down for emergency maintenance, ETD is 5 minutes or less
[12:11] <gnomefreak> ty elmo :)
[12:15] <anthony> Did Xubuntu have a Beta release?
[12:15] <cjwatson> anthony: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/gutsy/beta/
[12:15] <elmo> (back)
[12:15] <anthony> cjwatson: ty - I was looking on xubuntu.org and releases.u.c
[12:15] <cjwatson> anthony: releases.ubuntu.com has a link to cdimage/xubuntu/releases/
[12:16] <cjwatson> from which you go -> gutsy -> beta
[12:16] <anthony> cjwatson: I was just modifying URLs... :S
[12:16] <cjwatson> nope :)
[12:17] <anthony> on a similar note, has there been any talk yet about Xubuntu being available through ShipIt?
[12:17] <bluefoxicy> Should I file a bug for something failing to protect against man-in-the-middle attacks on ssl/tls implementations
[12:17] <bluefoxicy> or something


[00:42] <kieppie1> howdy
[00:42] <kieppie1> anyone online familiar with LXC?
[00:46] <kieppie1> howdy - anyone familiar with LXC? I'm following the official Debian (vanilla) docco's, but LXC as implemented seems FUBAR - does not work "out of the box", and the docco's acknowledge this (going on close to 2 years now) with no intent for resolution in sight. I'm wondering if the state for Ubuntu is much better
[00:51] <blkperl> kieppie1: lxc works fine in ubunut
[00:53] <kieppie1> blkperl: 100% as per docco on wiki? you familiar with the issues @ debian re busted templates?
[00:54] <blkperl> idk about the debain stuff, but you can easily make ubuntu lxcs on ubuntu
[01:24] <kieppie1> blkperl: sweet, thanks
[04:43] <tubaguy50035> any reason why the "install" option wouldn't show up on a live USB?
[04:43] <tubaguy50035> For 13.10 *
[06:44] <andygraybeal> so in general if i want to use openvpn to route only specific data ... is it easy enough to do that?
[06:46] <andygraybeal> the vpn would only be access HR/task management/ldap stuff over vpn, nothing else... all else can go on regular network/internet.
[08:39] <monokrome> Does anyone know how to give options to something for an automated install? I need to set the mail name for postfix
[08:41] <monokrome> google wins
[13:27] <Ravimandal> hi
[13:29] <cfhowlett> Ravimandal, greetings
[14:29] <strixUK> so, i've just set up mysql replication on a new box, and i (deliberately) let it overwrite and update the 'mysql' database
[14:29] <strixUK> other than changing the password in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf, are there any other implications of doing this?
[16:04] <ramadhan> ping !
[16:19] <auronthas> question:  /etc/network/interfaces     where eth0 are net and eth1 are local net,  what to put in on gateway in setup of eth1  when  eth0 are iface eth0 inet dhcp where IP might change now and then ?
[16:20] <auronthas> can one put name of  eth0 connection as gateway or it has to be specified IP address ?
[16:20] <strixUK> you can only have one gateway on the system, and if eth0 is being configured by dhcp, then dhclient will set that automatically.
[16:21] <strixUK> you don't need to do anything special with eth1, since there will be a net route for that automatically
[16:21] <auronthas> ok so I have to comment out gateway on eth1 then
[16:22] <strixUK> if there is a router directly attached to eth1 (the network, not the port) for a network that is not eth1's net, you'll need to add specific net routes for those other networks, or the kernel will try to get there via eth0 - but this situation almost certainly doesn't apply to you.
[16:22] <auronthas> ubuntu server are beeing configured to act as router itself
[16:22] <auronthas> but gets dynamic IP from ISP
[16:23] <strixUK> the only thing relevant to that is whether this machine is configured to forward packets
[16:23] <strixUK> all packets received (by whatever interface) will be routed according to the routing table
[16:23] <auronthas> going to install  isc-dhcp-server to listen on eth1 and shorewall as firewall
[16:24] <strixUK> right, so dhcpd needs to hand its eth1 ip to its clients
[16:24] <auronthas> nods
[16:24] <strixUK> there's no need for an explicit gateway spec in this machine's interfaces
[16:24] <auronthas> so in basic I only need to set  static IP and netmask in eth1
[16:25] <strixUK> right
[16:25] <auronthas> goodie, thx for help  :)  have a nice day/night whereever u are in world :)
[16:26] <auronthas> ah dinner time in UK now
[17:15] <jmedina> HI there
[17:15] <jmedina> I hope you can help me with a libvirt/kvm problem
[17:15] <jmedina> Im using ubuntu 13.04
[17:15] <jmedina> whenever I try to start a virtual machine I get a message like this:
[17:16] <jmedina> qemu-system-x86_64: -drive file=/labs/kvmimages/neti01.example.com-disk1.img,if=none,id=drive-virtio-disk0,format=qcow2,cache=none: could not open disk image /labs/kvmimages/neti01.example.com-disk1.img: Permission denied
[17:17] <jmedina> I checked the permissions/owner and was reseted to root:root and 660
[17:17] <jmedina> I change them to root:libvirtd and 660 and again, when I try to start the VM they are reset to root:root
[17:19] <jmedina> I have been looking in some mailing lists but I have not get a solution
[17:19] <jmedina> I already  disabled the libvirtd apparmor profile
[17:19] <jmedina> It looks it is libvirt who changes the owner
[17:21] <jmedina> my user is member of kvm and libvirtd
[17:21] <jmedina> It worked in 12.04
[17:22] <jmedina> this happens when I try to start a vm from virt-manager or virsh
[17:44] <andygraybeal> jmedina, i recall something similar...
[17:44] <andygraybeal> but i don't remember any of it
[17:45] <jmedina> :S
[17:46] <andygraybeal> sorry, i'm not helpful
[17:53] <andygraybeal> currently my email server is run by gandi.net because i bought my domain with them.  i would like to use mailman for maillists.  is it possible to configure mailman on my own server.. without having to move MX records over to that server?
[17:54] <andygraybeal> i don't want to run a full blown mail server on my own server... .but i want to use mailman ... maybe this is not possible.
[18:45] <jmedina> well, I modified /etc/libvirt/qemu.conf the parameter group from root to libvirtd and restarted libvirtd-bin and everything is working as expected, thanks :)
[19:03] <andygraybeal> jmedina, rock on
[20:03] <auronthas> just installed  isc-dhcp-server    question about  option router  that gives gateway to clients, when router IP on ethernet connection are dynamic  one can't put static IP to option router   how to put dynamic ip in dhcpd.conf file ?
[20:08] <auronthas> should I use option router-discovery ?
[22:12] <pmatulis> auronthas: a router should not have a dynamic address
[22:52] <auronthas> pmatulis: Talked to friend of me,  localnet's router ip is eth1's IP   ofcourse "facepalm"
[22:54] <auronthas> pmatulis:  where eth0 goes to net
[23:15] <gdi2k> hi all, I have a server with high latency on a LAN causing me headaches. Other machines can ping each other in the 0.01ms range, but anything to / from this machine takes around 50ms (avg). It's a RTL8111/8168B card which has given me driver headaches before. Should I just replace it or is there something else I can do?
[23:34] <patdk-lap> gdi2k, heh, that is really odd
[23:35] <patdk-lap> normally you don't get >30ms with gigabit, and that doesn't include any os stack latency/interrupts
[23:35] <patdk-lap> for me, 80-140ms is *normal* for gigabit
[23:46] <gdi2k> yes, this is gigabit. it is capable of delivering - ping summary shows Best less than 0.1ms but worst 141 with avg around 50ms
[23:46] <gdi2k> it's all over the place
[23:47] <gdi2k> load is not too high - 1.6 on a quad core machine
[23:47] <gdi2k> (no HT)
[23:52] <gdi2k> load has no impact - I whacked it with 4 instances of cpuburn to saturate the cores, and ping is unchanged
[23:52] <andygraybeal> i followed these instructions at this website: http://burn.co.nz/blog/?p=245  well.. just the line:  sudo aptitude install request-tracker4 \
[23:52] <andygraybeal>  rt4-apache2 rt4-clients rt4-db-postgresql apache2-doc lynx \
[23:52] <andygraybeal>  postgresql apache2 libapache-dbi-perl fetchmail
[23:53] <andygraybeal> and i didn't get any chances to put in a password for postgres or answer any of the questions that request tracker asks....
[23:53] <andygraybeal> how do i do this over?
[23:53] <andygraybeal> i will try purge, but i'm afraid it won't work
[23:54] <andygraybeal> i'm so good at messing this kind of stuff up


[01:30] <sebsebseb> i
[01:31] <sebsebseb> hi
[01:31] <sebsebseb> anyone about?
[01:54] <fhf> hi
[01:54] <fhf> whatsup?
[04:10] <sebsebseb> fhf: hi still about?
[07:21] <damascene> Possible bug: I've chose my keyboard language as Turkish during install, when I log to add language support it shows some Turkish packages for software like libreoffice and firefox. but I can not see Turkish language selected in Install/Remove languages
[07:21] <damascene> So do I have choice not install the support packages for Turkish?
[07:23] <damascene> Second issue: Language Support also suggest installing Non Us or UK spelling checker like Australian English spell checker and South African spell checker. why?
[10:53] <ReSam> good morning!
[10:54] <ReSam> regarding 16.04: why are the xenial-server amd64 images from mid november, and not like the others, basically nightlies? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/
[11:00] <damascene> Possible bug: I've chose my keyboard language as Turkish during install, when I log to add language support it shows some Turkish packages for software like libreoffice and firefox. but I can not see Turkish language selected in Install/Remove languages
[11:01] <damascene> So do I have choice not install the support packages for Turkish?
[11:01] <damascene> Second issue: Language Support also suggest installing Non Us or UK spelling checker like Australian English spell checker and South African spell checker. why?
[12:24] <jadeqiu> anyone ?
[17:17] <damascene> Possible bug: I've chose my keyboard language as Turkish during install, when I log to add language support it shows some Turkish packages for software like libreoffice and firefox. but I can not see Turkish language selected in Install/Remove languages
[17:17] <damascene> Second issue: Language Support also suggest installing Non Us or UK spelling checker like Australian English spell checker and South African spell checker. why?
[17:18] <damascene> Second issue: Language Support also suggest installing Non Us or UK spelling checker like Australian English spell checker and South African spell checker. why?


[05:07] <thomi> Hi, I'm trying to create a build recipe for a python package. I have followed the packaging guide (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Python), and can create packages manually, but when I try and run 'bzr dailydeb...' I get this error:  http://pastebin.com/8gKAgGKH
[05:07] <thomi> Can someone point me in the right direction please? I'm sure I'm doing something obviously wrong.
[05:13] <spiv> thomi: perhaps try asking #ubuntu-packaging ?
[05:15] <thomi> spiv: okay - The help pages for recipes say to ask here for help :) Cheers.
[05:15] <thomi> huh, could be I stumbled onto this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/614768
[05:18] <antono> i think i should ask it here... for some reason launchpad places only readme in my amd64 package while i386 contains all needed files
[05:19] <antono> everything is ok when i build package locally on my amd64 host.
[05:19] <antono> if you interested you can look at my PPA: https://launchpad.net/~antono/+archive/rubinius/+packages
[05:33] <spiv> thomi: here is a reasonable place to ask, but it appears not many folks are awake in here atm
[05:33] <thomi> Cheers
[05:33] <spiv> thomi: (and your question is beyond what I know)
[05:34] <thomi> well, Once I found that bug report I was able to get it going. Now I have other issues to sort out ;)
[05:34] <wgrant> antono: Try 'dpkg-buildpackage -B' locally.
[05:34] <wgrant> antono: That should reproduce the conditions found on Launchpad's amd64 builders.
[05:36] <antono> wgrant: tying.
[05:36] <antono> it worked for me with debuild without options
[05:37] <wgrant> antono: debuild by default builds arch-indep packages too.
[05:37] <wgrant> But when building for multiple architectures you can only build them on one -- we build them on i386.
[05:37] <wgrant> -B requests that only architecture-dependent packages be built, as the non-i386 builders do.
[05:38] <antono> wgrant: thanks for expaination
[05:39] <antono> wgrant: okay. i got normal sized package with all included
[05:40] <antono> and it works locally
[05:45] <wgrant> antono: So you can't reproduce it locally?
[05:52] <wgrant> antono: That should have reproduced it locally, because I can see the bug.
[05:52] <wgrant> antono: You have binary depending directly on install.
[05:52] <wgrant> binary-arch and binary-indep should depend on install.
[05:53] <wgrant> Otherwise the separate builds will not have anything installed.
[05:53] <wgrant> Which is probably not what you want.
[05:53] <spiv> wgrant: interesting, why would that lead to different results for i386 vs amd64 though?  (I'm just randomly curious)
[05:54] <StevenK> Which is why it works on i386 and not amd64. i386 will call 'binary' and amd64 calls 'binary-arch'
[05:54] <wgrant> spiv: i386 builds arch-indep, so calls 'binary'
[05:54] <StevenK> Er, what wgrant said.
[05:54] <spiv> wgrant: ah
[05:54] <antono> wgrant: thanks!
[06:10] <antono> hey, have you considered idea of distributed build farm
[06:11] <antono> for example i have a lot of free resources on my local box and would like to contribute it to ubuntu and launchpad users
[06:11] <antono> so they can build their packages faster
[06:11] <lifeless> antono: yes, and rejected it
[06:11] <antono> lifeless: why?
[06:12] <lifeless> antono: its a matter of trust : we can't verify the output of the build without repeating the build.
[06:12] <antono> aha, right
[06:12] <lifeless> antono: and the output of the builds run on millions of users machines
[06:12] <antono> sure, i got it :)
[06:12] <antono> stupid me :)
[06:12] <lifeless> not at all
[06:13] <lifeless> it would be wonderful to find a solution
[06:13] <lifeless> many folk would contribute compute resources
[06:13] <antono> i know there is SETI@home project that uses p2p cloud for science
[06:14] <lifeless> right
[06:14] <lifeless> what they do is run the same calculation many times
[06:14] <lifeless> *and*
[06:14] <lifeless> they have a cheap[ish] verify function
[06:15] <antono> hmm. i should ask ubuntuone guys about p2p cloud ;)
[06:17] <antono> btw, anyone know about launchpad installation except launchpad.net ?
[06:17] <antono> *installations
[06:19] <lifeless> not really
[07:16] <thomi> Is there a delay between the first package being built via build recipe and it appearing on ppa.launchpad.net? My builds have finished, but my PPA doesn't exist yet.
[07:17] <StevenK> Did the recipe itself finish building or the source package from the recipe?
[07:18] <thomi> both, I think: https://code.launchpad.net/~sloecode/+recipe/bzr-sloecode-daily
[07:18] <wgrant> thomi: The PPA publisher might not be running at the moment. It stops for around an hour most days, about this time.
[07:18] <wgrant> I must fix that cron job.
[07:18] <thomi> wgrant: haha, thanks.
[07:20] <StevenK> thomi: Yes, it's waiting for the publisher. Looking at https://code.launchpad.net/~sloecode/+archive/ppa/+packages if you expand the package you can see 'i386 - Pending publication'
[07:21] <thomi> StevenK: ahh, thanks. I missed that.
[09:08] <mrevell> Good morning
[09:19] <antono> how can I build packages for different ubuntu versions in one PPA ?
[09:48] <bigjools> antono: you can either upload packages with different names (include the ubuntu series in the name) or you can upload to one series and use the Copy Packages page
[09:48] <bigjools> the former rebuilds for each series, the latter does not
[09:49]  * bigjools really needs to make this a FAQ
[10:00] <StevenK> Upload packages with different *versions*, and include the ubuntu series in the version
[10:02] <antono> bigjools, StevenK, thank you!
[10:02] <antono> anyway i figured out that maverick missing required dependency :(
[10:42]  * popey pokes stub with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania
[10:43] <stub> popey: Ta
[14:39] <zyga> james_w, quick question,I have a package foo-2 that I uploaded to my ppa, the package failed to build because of missing dependency, the dependency turned out to be cyclic so I wanted to upload foo-1, then bar, then foo-2 again. This failed because foo-1 is older and foo-2 was already present. I removed foo-2, uploaded foo-1 and bar (this worked fine). Now the problem: when I upload foo-2 it says I cannot do it because the package is already accepted in "ubunt
[14:39] <zyga> u/lucid" and I need to modify the package. The actual message is: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/580588/
[14:40] <james_w> zyga, are foo-1 and foo-2 two different versions of the same source package name? because uploading foo-1 shouldn't have worked
[14:40] <zyga> james_w, yes, and it did
[14:41] <james_w> odd
[14:41] <zyga> james_w, the ppa in question is ppa:zkrynicki/lava
[14:41] <james_w> but you have to upload zyga2
[14:41] <zyga> james_w,  foo-1 was python-testtools-0.9.4
[14:41] <james_w> to get past this error
[14:41] <zyga> the -2 was python-testtools-0.9.8
[14:41] <zyga> ok, let me try that
[14:42] <zyga> it's quite odd that I cannot push the package again really
[18:02] <psusi> it is not currently possible to log into launchpad on a headless server via a text mode browser is it?  or did that get fixed?
[18:22] <benji> psusi: it's mostly not possible, but this workaround might help you: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/586908/comments/5
[18:36] <lifeless> psusi: w3m should work fine
[18:41] <psusi> if I want to look up bugs in the launchpad api for a particular package in ubuntu, is there an easier way than calling launchpad.distributions['ubuntu'].current_series.getSourcePackage("package").searchTasks()?
[18:43] <lifeless> IIRC you can provide a target or sourcepackageindistro to searchTasks
[18:43] <lifeless> but I may be thinking of the python API which is slightly different
[18:44] <psusi> but searchTasks is a member of...wait... ohh... I can call searchTasks() on the main launchpad collection directly eh?
[18:44] <psusi> yea, I'm talking python api
[18:47] <psusi> I don't see an argument to specify the ubuntu/package part
[18:50] <lifeless> you can call searchTasks globally, ubuntu, distroseries, package, product, project group, project series, distro series
[18:51] <lifeless> psusi: but we haven't exposed this flexability as searchTasks parameters sorry
[18:51] <lifeless> so yes, launchpad.distributions['ubuntu'].current_series.getSourcePackage("package").searchTasks() is the Right Way
[19:09] <psusi> blast
[19:22] <lifeless> feel free to file a bug asking for less object traveral and more flexability
[20:33] <psusi> so I've got a collection of bugs returned from searchTasks().. how do you just get the count of bugs in it?
[20:50] <lifeless> psusi: len()
[21:12] <psusi> lifeless: got an exception: File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/lazr/restfulclient/resource.py", line 717, in __len__
[21:12] <psusi>     raise TypeError('collection size is not available')
[21:12] <psusi> TypeError: collection size is not available
[21:12] <lifeless> huh
[21:13] <james_w> if you are using an old version of launchpadlib then there was a bug that caused that erroneously
[21:16] <lifeless> james_w: happy thing-fixed-day : bug 707111
[21:16] <james_w> thanks
[21:16] <psusi> ohh... so basically the version on lucid is messed up?
[21:17] <james_w> psusi, possibly
[21:17] <james_w> psusi, try .total_len rather than len()
[21:17] <psusi> k... guess I'll try again at home on maverick... because I'm also getting an exception trying to call bug.newMessage()
[21:18] <psusi> exception calling .len, .total_nen, and just len(bugs)
[21:20] <StevenK> bugs.count() ?
[21:21] <lifeless> StevenK: thats storm isn't it?
[21:21] <StevenK> Probably
[21:21] <StevenK> While we're tossing out ideas, I thought I'd add mine
[21:25] <AfC> bugs.magically_fix()
[21:25] <AfC> StevenK, lifeless: [morning :)]
[21:25] <StevenK> Haha. Morning AfC
[21:26] <AfC> The worst part of IRC is coming in to conversations out of context. But then again, you get to come into conversations out of context, and that can be fun.
[21:26]  * AfC lets you get back to work
[21:27] <StevenK> Pff, I don't start for another 90 minutes, I'm bored while waiting for a delivery
[21:27] <lifeless> hi AfC
[21:28] <StevenK> I'm so tempted to export a magically_fix function from IBug that raises NotImplemented
[21:31] <StevenK> lifeless: Are we allowed to have easter eggs in the API? :-)
[21:31] <lifeless> StevenK: shrug :)
[21:32] <leonardr> StevenK: make sure you expose() that NotImplemented
[21:33] <lifeless> StevenK: wouldn't want it in the apidoc, that would really not be an easter egg ;>
[21:33] <StevenK> lifeless: I'm not sure how to export something to devel only but have the apidoc ignore it.
[21:34] <leonardr> anything you hide from the apidoc you will also hide from the client
[21:35] <StevenK> The sounds like a bug. "We do not support easter eggs"
[21:35] <leonardr> you can neglect to give it a docstring
[21:35] <StevenK> :-)
[21:36] <StevenK> leonardr: Last time I recall doing that, I seem to recall lazr.restful giving very odd exceptions due to the docstring not being formatted as it expected.
[21:36] <leonardr> it had no docstring at all, or an empty docstring?
[21:37] <StevenK> I think I was having trouble with an empty docstring, but I can't quite recall.
[22:24] <arand> Hello, I'm doing rebuilds of a ~450M game in https://edge.launchpad.net/~arand/+archive/redeclipse and I tend to run out of space every now and then, would it be possible to increase the quota?
[22:25] <arand> s/rebuilds/svn updates/
[22:44] <micahg> arand: file a question against launchpad
[22:45] <arand> micahg: Ok, cheers


[18:29] <jussi> !papercut > dutchie
[22:58] <Guest34415> how to stop ban on kubuntu-ru
[22:59] <Guest34415> how to stop ban on ubuntu-ru?
[23:09] <Pici> Guest34415: try talking to one of the ops of that channel.
[23:10] <Pici> /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-ru list
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[23:11] <Myrtti> that's not helpful...


[00:06] <cbx33> ping LaserJock
[00:39] <outofrange> dhcpd.conf for i386 has option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386"; and  filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";  What should it be for powerpc?  /opt/ltsp/powerpc and /ltsp/powerpc/yaboot?
[01:16] <johnny_> i never adjusted this for the original ltsp install, but it's been using bind mounts the entire time
[01:28] <dtrask> evening all
[01:28] <dtrask> from hurricane central
[01:28] <LaserJock> hi dtrask
[01:29] <LaserJock> little windy? ;-)
[01:29] <dtrask> kinda windy here....big blow
[01:30] <dtrask> we're here at LTSP by the sea....orgra, sbalneaves, moquist, jammcq, and a bunch of others up here in Southwest Harbor Maine....right on the ocean
[01:30] <LaserJock> great
[14:21] <wizzy> I run "ltsp-build-client --mirror file:///media/cdrom0 --security-mirror none" but get a complaint about packages not authenticated and "-y was used without --force-yes, LTSP client installation ended abnormally"
[16:06] <bddebian> Heya
[17:43] <Gladk> Hi All!
[17:44] <popey> hello all in plymouth
[17:44] <popey> showed my daughter the classmate pc when i got home
[17:44] <popey> she loves it :)
[17:44] <popey> (as does my 1 year old son)
[17:45] <Gladk> Please, can anybody give a link of successfull experience of using Edubuntu in schools?
[19:19] <sbalneav> Afternoon all


[12:21] <crlcan81> Hi everybody, I just was wondering how much of a difference goign from win xp to ubuntu was  gonna be like. And waht all I gotta do to get it installed on my system. Also is it possible to dual boot with it and xp.
[12:22] <crlcan81> also, no CD burner.
[12:22] <crlcan81> so gotta find some way to run the ISO without a CD
[12:22] <crlcan81> anyone able to help?
[12:23] <crlcan81> *sighs* guess not
[12:24] <Nafallo> !help
[12:24] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[12:24] <Nafallo> hmm
[12:24] <Nafallo> no
[12:24] <Nafallo> crlcan81: the help channel you are looking for is probably #ubuntu :-)
[12:25] <crlcan81> well I just.. I really don't trust linux ever since Mandrake I think it was.
[12:25] <crlcan81> I got the ONE version you didn't wanna get.
[12:25] <crlcan81> Which my local walmart only had THAT.
[12:25] <crlcan81> still downloading the ISO though.
[13:39] <andreasn> mpt: ping
[14:25] <Keybuk> interesting
[14:25] <Keybuk> hadn't noticed we use rhythmbox for cd extraction
[14:25] <Keybuk> (I think I did know, but hadn't actually seen it to really know :p)
[14:28] <Amaranth> rhythmbox can do that now?
[14:30] <bhale> used to be sound-juicer
[14:43] <Keybuk> yup
[14:43] <Keybuk> actually, the experience is very nice
[14:44] <Keybuk> having one app for managing music, burning to cd, ripping from cd, copying to/from music players, etc. feels right
[14:44] <Keybuk> I have a niggle that it's awkward to fix a CD that doesn't have a CDDB entry
[14:44] <Keybuk> and that it's awkward to deal with compilation CDs (but SJ has that issue too)
[14:55] <Keybuk> it's great though that I can rip from CD into Ogg for the library
[14:55] <Keybuk> and then drag them onto my phone, which converts them to MP3 automatically
[14:55] <Keybuk> and it's even cooler when I know how little code that takes
[14:55] <Keybuk> (well, little code for the app - gstreamer rocks)
[15:56]  * Ng looks for an officially correct way for a user to install a font
[15:56] <Ng> gnome 2.22's user guide lists two options, neither of which work
[15:57] <Ng> and that user guide seems to be what we have in System->Help
[15:58] <Ng> it says use System->Preferences->Font (which we don't have, but even the Fonts bit of Appearance doesn't have the "Go to font folder" button they reference), and gvfs doesn't support fonts:///
[16:03] <ofh> helo someone here ?
[16:03] <ofh> have a prob with firefox plugin
[16:04] <ofh> can't install as a non-root user
[16:04] <ofh> anny advise
[16:10] <mpt> andreasn, ponggggg
[16:10] <andreasn> hey
[16:11] <andreasn> there was a dude in #tango that asked for advice on the nautilus copy dialog, but I pointed him to usability list
[16:15] <mpt> andreasn, do you mean the progress window, or the name conflict alert?
[16:16] <andreasn> the progress window
[16:16] <mpt> ooh interesting
[16:16] <andreasn> File operations dialog redesign
[16:17] <andreasn> is the header of the e-mail
[16:19] <mpt> yes, reading it :-)
[16:19] <mpt> thanks
[16:21] <mpt> Why did it change?
[16:22] <andreasn> from what was in 2.20?
[16:22] <andreasn> someone decided it popped up too many dialogs when you copied two or more things at a time
[16:23] <mpt> oh, because it's stacked
[16:23] <mpt> good good
[16:23] <andreasn> the notification area thingy is a bit weird though
[16:23] <mpt> notification area thingy?
[16:24] <mpt> oh!
[16:24] <mpt> yeah, that's a bit bong
[16:24] <mpt> it does nothing minimize couldn't do
[16:24] <mpt> Oh, I know why it's there
[16:26] <mpt> It's because _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE doesn't have a "progress window" type
[16:26] <mpt> therefore progress windows get a close button when they shouldn't
[16:26] <mpt> and if you close it, how are you going to reopen it again?
[16:26] <mpt> by clicking the notification area mcguffin
[16:28] <andreasn> hm? you can do that?
[16:28] <andreasn> sounds really weird
[16:28] <mpt> so basically the new window does what's suggested in the "Tiling windows" section of <http://www.mackido.com/Interface/Copy.html>
[16:28] <mpt> yeah, it is really weird :-)
[16:28] <mpt> (the notification area thing, I mean, not the combining)
[16:29] <andreasn> yeah
[16:30] <calc> Ng: for a local user only copy into ~/.fonts
[16:30] <calc> Ng: then run fc-cache
[16:30] <calc> Ng: that is the non-gui way
[16:30] <calc> Ng: aiui fonts: is broken due to conversion to gvfs, probably will be fixed in next gnome release
[16:31] <calc> Ng: probably worth filing a bug against the appropriate thing in launchpad though if it isn't there already
[16:31]  * calc bbl
[16:32] <calc> Ng: or pinging seb128 about it at some point
[16:44] <andreasn> mpt: nice work on the User Experince stuff in the ubuntu wiki btw
[16:45] <mpt> thanks
[16:51] <Ng> calc: .fonts is what I would have done. i think we should have a better way to do this
[16:51] <Ng> even fonts:// is hideously undiscoverable
[16:52] <Ng> gnome-font-viewer and right clicking on a ttf in nautilus should both offer a user install
[16:52] <Ng> imho :)
[18:43] <slomo__> hm, update-manager doesn't allow dist upgrades from feisty to hardy but only from gutsy/dapper to hardy?
[18:47] <Nafallo> slomo__: should be right
[18:48] <slomo__> doesn't make things easy here... gutsy doesn't boot ;)
[19:03] <Nafallo> slomo__: you now how you can work around it if needed.
[19:04] <slomo__> Nafallo: yes, how? :)
[19:04] <Nafallo> slomo__: you are not the slomo I know :-P
[19:05] <slomo__> i don't want to think about it or look into code or use s/feisty/hardy/ on sources.list and call apt-get dist-upgrade ;)
[19:31] <Nafallo> slomo__: hehe. the last one was the solution indeed ;-)


[19:06] <dwarfstar_> anyone willing to help a newbie that is on neanderthal level?
[19:07] <dwarfstar_> have lots of frustrating newbie questions so need patience
[19:07] <dwarfstar_> must have patience
[19:09] <dwarfstar_> hello anyon e
[19:09] <dwarfstar_> lame


[14:17] <nik90> brendand: did you have any luck/ideas on the clock app AP issue? I tried a couple of things later yesterday but couldn't figure it out..the class structure is making it a bit more complicated.
[14:18] <brendand> nik90, unfortunately the most i can do is look at whatever errors you're getting and give suggestions, i don't really have the bandwidth to actively look for solutions
[14:19] <brendand> nik90, i did escalate those AP bugs though, but in the meantime a workaround will be required
[14:19] <brendand> nik90, if you forward me code and logs i'll gladly look at them
[14:19] <nik90> brendand: np, I will try some other stuff to fix it
[14:19] <nik90> ack.


[08:39] <FernandoMiguel> morning
[11:25] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:30] <joseph_> can someone give the exact entries needed to add solivitacap.org to apache2 as virtual host
[20:15] <urmysony> Hi Guys
[20:17] <urmysony> need one help on one bug for cairo dock on ubuntu 13.10


[03:31] <Noskcaj> Can someone please try and build kitchen. I can't reproduce the ftbfs and i think it was just a bad gettext version
[08:03] <Wubix> hello everyone
[08:08] <Noskcaj> hey Wubix
[08:10] <Wubix> is this here (among other things) the right place to ask for a bug review?
[08:12] <Noskcaj> yeah
[08:13] <Wubix> great :) cause i filed this bug recently: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1263389 and maybe i can get some feedback
[08:13] <Wubix> maybe i am missing some info
[08:15] <Noskcaj> I can't see anything you're missing. Someone will fix it, it just takes time.
[08:15] <Wubix> ok :)
[15:51] <aswininm> hi anyone can I build  a deb package independent of the source platform(c,c++,perl,python...)
[15:51] <aswininm> ?
[15:51] <Zhenech> yeah. but thats not a real question :)
[15:52] <mitya57> aswininm: Have you read the guide @ http://packaging.ubuntu.com/ ?
[15:52] <aswininm> i am on it ..:)
[19:47] <j_f-f> Hi. Is debirf a well maintained packet?
[19:56] <Noskcaj> j_f-f, It's at http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/debirf.html , looks like it could use some help
[19:57] <j_f-f> Noskcaj: some is good ;)
[23:29] <psusi> so I'm trying to debug a crash with a coredump, and I set /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern back to "core" to generate the core dump instead of running apport... and ulimit -c unlimited, but the generated core dump file is only a few kb in size and gdb says it isn't valid because it's truncated, any idea what's wrong?