[00:26] <ascii> Well, it finally got past it, but I'm not sure what made it because I made several changes altogether: I plugged in the battery, noapic and nolapic
[11:44] <ariabbas> .
[12:01] <DarkSim> Hello :) I was thinking about trying Lubuntu, but I already have Ubuntu 12.10 installed, can I install Lubuntu without having to reinstall everything?
[12:01] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[12:01] <bioterror> !purelxde
[12:03] <DarkSim> Thank you bioterror, so do I install Lubuntu first, then remove Ubuntu?
[12:03] <bioterror> yes
[12:04] <bioterror> if find lubuntu satisfying
[12:04] <DarkSim> can I run Lubuntu even if I have Ubuntu still on it, so I can try it out first
[12:04] <DarkSim> I've tried everything now but LXDE haha, a lot of people recommended it so I thought hey
[12:04] <DarkSim> let's do this
[12:04] <bioterror> yes
[12:05] <bioterror> you can choose your desired session
[12:05] <DarkSim> Hm, command doesn't work
[12:06] <DarkSim> Seems to be a lot of dependencies which is the problem
[12:07] <DarkSim> bioterror, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1352964/
[12:08] <bioterror> give that -f ;)
[12:08] <DarkSim> Didn't work either
[12:08] <DarkSim> Try apt-get -f install with no packages (or specify a solution)
[12:10] <bioterror> can you sudo apt-get purge libqtgui4
[12:10] <DarkSim> nope
[12:11] <DarkSim> May be of help, I upgraded from 12.04 to 12.10 yesterday
[12:12] <bioterror> hmm
[12:12] <bioterror> sudo apt-get autoremove
[12:12] <bioterror> does it remove unneeded stuff?
[12:12] <DarkSim> 2 dependencies
[12:13] <DarkSim> tried -f
[12:13] <DarkSim> no something happened
[12:13] <DarkSim> now*
[12:13] <bioterror> it's nice when you get dependency problems :D
[12:14] <DarkSim> removingremovingremovingremoving
[12:14] <bioterror> :-)
[12:14] <DarkSim> Ok I might have lied earlier I haven't tried all DE's but I tried a few now :P
[12:14] <DarkSim> now I'm done with autoremove, so what's next, Lubuntu?
[12:14] <DarkSim> or update?
[12:15] <bioterror> try sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[12:15] <DarkSim> Woop woop :)
[12:16] <DarkSim> I need to check out a few things about changing themes though since the only reason I haven't tried LXDE yet was because all the screenshots of it was so ugly haha
[12:17]  * bioterror gives bad eye
[12:17] <DarkSim> I'm sorry, but the internet gave me a bad image of LXDE
[12:18] <DarkSim> It looked like some kind of kindergarden OS to me with all those horribly bright colored buttons everywhere
[12:18] <DarkSim> Hopefully I am wrong
[12:18] <DarkSim> Which I probably am
[12:18] <bioterror> 11.10 looks good
[12:18] <bioterror> and also this 12.10
[12:24] <DarkSim> Installation is done, bioterror
[12:34] <DarkSim> Hello again
[12:48] <DarkSim> Trying out and configuring LXDE right now
[12:49] <DarkSim> It's not as bad I thought, but it's not really a miracle either, hard to put my finger on it
[12:49] <bioterror> once you pop, you cant stop!
[12:49] <bioterror> so what's the problem?
[12:50] <DarkSim> Trying to make the UI a bit more hip, a bit more pop
[12:50] <bioterror> but it's that by default
[12:55] <DarkSim> If I judge things from out of the box I think Xfce still has my top score
[12:55] <DarkSim> since it's really easy to adjust properly
[12:55] <DarkSim> but I will just spend some more time in Lxde and see if I can make it work there as well
[12:56] <DarkSim> Since if I can then it's a win since Lxde is lighter and faster
[13:03] <bioterror> DarkSim, lxde + openbox is quite versatile if you are used to terminal
[13:03] <DarkSim> Which I am not :(
[13:04] <DarkSim> I don't want to rant too much in here, it's not right
[13:04] <DarkSim> I'll just cope with it
[14:53] <blup1> hello
[14:53] <blup1> I have a question
[14:53] <blup1> how can I change the name of My computer?
[14:53] <blup1> I tried it with the command Hostaname .... , but it didnt chance anything
[14:55] <leoquant> blup1, via /etc/hosts
[14:55] <leoquant> but it is tricky
[14:56] <leoquant> /etc/hostname
[14:57] <leoquant> linkage: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/01/how-to-change-hostname-in-ubuntu-11-10/
[14:59] <leoquant> these two files you have to "rename"
[15:01] <blup1> ah, you mean the content of these files :D
[15:01] <blup1> ok, thanks
[15:04] <leoquant> lol indeed
[15:05] <leoquant> ツ
[15:06] <blup1> another question
[15:07] <blup1> how to transfer something between two laptops via "Create new wireless Network"?
[17:07] <ToeTag> Does anyone know what specifically is different about the "MAC" .iso  for Lubu?
[17:21] <managical> I got lubuntu on my pc and its got everything all revved up. I noticed acpid wasn't installed so I downloaded that off synaptic. I'm not sure how to manage the power settings are we still using cpu-freq?
[17:24] <ToeTag> managing power in regards to battery life?
[17:26] <ToeTag> The utility <jupiter> always receives really high accolades
[17:26] <ToeTag> in regards to tuning the cpy/kernel/hardware with respect to battery/AC
[17:27] <managical> um no I mean like power saving settings, my fans and everything are spinning full force


[08:53] <Saviq> cjwatson: hey, is there no way to select a channel for snapcraft/snapd when manually requesting a build? seems the setting for automatic builds doesn't stick?
[08:55] <cjwatson> Saviq: there's an optional parameter for it in the webservice API; but how do you mean, "doesn't stick"?
[08:58] <cjwatson> do you have an example?
[09:17] <Saviq> cjwatson: when I set a channel and built through https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/+snap/subsurface-edge/+request-builds
[09:17] <Saviq> it still used apt
[09:29] <Saviq> so I thought that setting doesn't apply to manual requests?
[09:32] <cjwatson> Saviq: Hm, yes, there's a bug there, please report
[09:34] <Saviq> ack
[09:46] <Saviq> cjwatson: bug #1791265
[09:47] <Saviq> as it really applies to all the options for automatic builds
[09:47] <cjwatson> Lies
[09:47] <Saviq> well, some options :P
[09:47] <cjwatson> It's only channels that's not copied
[09:47] <Saviq> cjwatson: https://code.launchpad.net/~mir-team/+snap/mir-kiosk-edge
[09:48] <Saviq> it has a PPA set up
[09:48] <Saviq> and in https://code.launchpad.net/~mir-team/+snap/mir-kiosk-edge/+request-builds
[09:48] <cjwatson> Oh, hmm
[09:48] <cjwatson> OK, I retract that :)
[09:48] <Saviq> it defaults back to no PPA
[09:48] <cjwatson> Yeah, I think I had some reason for that at the time but it doesn't really make sense
[09:49] <Saviq> TBH those should be "defaults" in the snap edit page, and not specific to automatic builds
[09:49] <Saviq> IMO
[09:49] <cjwatson> Well, it would be annoying to change the DB schema now, but we can certainly have those columns provide defaults for manual builds too
[09:50] <Saviq> as now there's no way to pre-set those options for a snap that's only ever built manually
[09:50] <Saviq> yeah I think it's just a case of how it's presented in the UI
[09:50] <Saviq> as if you disable automatic builds, you currently lose access to those altogether
[09:51] <cjwatson> I think that should be a separate bug
[09:51] <Saviq> ok doing
[09:51] <cjwatson> thanks
[09:56] <Saviq> bug #1791269 then
[09:56] <cjwatson> thanks
[10:02] <Saviq> and a bonus one: #1791272
[10:02] <Saviq> bug #1791272


[00:26] <bryce> yay
[07:24] <tjaalton> whee, server-1.6-branch
[08:14] <bryce> yep
[08:14] <bryce> I think we all should chip in and buy seb128 a better ISP ;-)
[08:15] <tjaalton> heh
[08:15] <tjaalton> I'm getting a 10/10 fiber home
[08:15] <bryce> sweet
[08:15] <tjaalton> 100/10 is overkill
[08:15] <seb128> bryce: thanks but right now that was me restarting my irc client to try some changes
[08:15] <seb128> but better internet connection would be nice though ;-)
[08:17] <bryce> today finally was the last of having verizon visiting.  Now finally, after weeks more than I expected, everything is perfect.
[08:18] <bryce> tjaalton: if you'd prefer focusing on getting xserver merged, I can tackle the -intel merge tomorrow
[08:19] <bryce> otherwise I'll probably do inkscape
[08:19] <tjaalton> bryce: I've got 1.5.3 ready, needs the new evdev though
[08:19] <tjaalton> 1.6beta probably means rebuilding all the drivers again
[08:20] <tjaalton> meh, I'll upload 1.5.3 and evdev 2.1.0 now
[08:20] <bryce> sounds good
[08:20] <tjaalton> then we at least have _something_ new :)
[08:21] <bryce> what are the big new features in 1.6?  GEM-ishness?
[08:21] <tjaalton> that and some EXA improvements, like the glyph cache which should boost performance
[08:21] <tjaalton> it's basically master without MPX/XI2
[08:22]  * bryce nods
[08:23] <bryce> I scrolled through the changelog from keith; tons of changes, I guess lots of bug fixes?  :-)
[08:25] <tjaalton> heh, probably and hopefully
[08:25] <bryce> btw, work in process but I've been drafting a page on writing drivers for Ubuntu X - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/DriverDevelopment
[08:26] <bryce> so far just focused on "why you need to make your driver open source"
[08:26] <tjaalton> I marked the 'multiple primary graphics devices detected OMG' bug as a blocker for 1.6
[08:27] <tjaalton> hmm are there other candidates to open up besides nvidia? (psb?)
[08:28] <tjaalton> VIA released docs last week
[08:28] <tjaalton> and partnered with the openchrome project
[08:28] <bryce> saw that :-)
[08:28] <bryce> yeah unfortunately there are still other hw vendors left to advocate
[08:29] <tjaalton> mvo: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/commit/?h=server-1.6-branch&id=c8472a74441838e16d0d3414db1fa7fe996868a9
[08:30] <mvo> rock! thanks tjaalton
[08:31]  * bryce waves mvo
[08:34] <mvo> hey bryce! I did the inkscape merge the other day, hope that was ok
[08:34] <bryce> ahh, ok, that explains why grab-merge.sh isn't pulling it
[08:34] <bryce> yeah that's cool.  I should probably clean up the bug tracker at some point here too
[08:35] <bryce> tjaalton: so shall I tackle -intel or do you have that one in hand already?
[08:36] <tjaalton> bryce: I can do that as well, and test it here
[08:36] <tjaalton> ..which reminds me to set up the dualboot jaunty too
[08:37] <bryce> tjaalton: you make my job far too easy :-)
[08:37] <tjaalton> bryce: :)
[08:38] <bryce> btw, do you have a script for filing sync requests?  I was thinking of roughing up something based on launchpadlib
[08:38] <tjaalton> I've used requestsync
[08:39] <tjaalton> or what was it called
[08:39] <bryce> *nod*  yeah me too
[08:39] <bryce> I've used that a fair bit, but I think I could code up something a bit more robust
[09:59] <wgrant> bryce: What's wrong with requestsync? It can use launchpadlib now tooo.
[10:04] <bryce> wgrant: you sure?  It looks like it still uses python-launchpad-bugs
[10:12] <tjaalton> you just need to use the --lp flag
[10:25] <bryce> --lp triggers the p-l-b stuff.  anyway, will look more tomorrow.  night!
[10:26] <tjaalton> oh, ok
[10:26] <tjaalton> night
[12:23] <Kano> hi jcristau , you package for debian too or?
[12:24] <jcristau> s/too//
[12:25] <Kano> jcristau: then can you tell me why lenny does not use the multimedia keys by default but ubuntu does?
[12:25] <Kano> like volume control
[13:32] <tjaalton> bryce: looks like I won't be able to merge intel today, so feel free to merge it if you like
[13:36] <tjaalton> libdrm needs a push through NEW
[13:39] <Kano> jcristau: could you update the ati driver in lenny to the version from experimental at least? then dcc with rv410 on vga ports at least
[13:39] <jcristau> no
[16:40] <bryce> superm1: just had a good call with ATI today; went through several bugs, and sounds like we should be getting a slew of EPR's soonish
[16:42] <superm1> great to hear
[16:43] <bryce> the https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/fglrx page I think was well received
[16:44] <superm1> my only fear is that people don't start filing "untriaged" bugs against that project
[16:46] <bryce> mm, guess we'll see
[16:47] <bryce> one interesting note - ati doesn't consider compiz a "supported" feature on fglrx yet, so all bugs involving that are going to be wishlist items (AMD feature #7647)


    Couldn't do banking, Skyping, updates etc. Maybe Vodacom can find someone with half a brain to develop a better plan should they ever do this again!
[06:38] <mazal> The towers and networks are too overloaded and weak for all the crap phones can do these days. The infrastructures needs major upgrade en exstention. We never even had 3g , ever , and cellphones have been in the country how long
[06:39] <mazal> Every company just cares about getting rich and not about providing proper service to their clients
[06:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah, that's not true
[06:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> maybe you just haven't had the good fortune to deal with a good service-oriented company yet
[06:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> although i agree in the telecoms space there are none sadly
[06:41] <mazal> Haven't found one yet
[06:45] <mazal> jabberwocky93, thanx for the info
[06:45] <mazal> Received it vie Maaz :)
[06:45] <mazal> via even
[06:46] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, is your mtn via afrihost still good?
[06:46] <Kilos> only in sa could a service provider offer a non usable ''gift''
[06:46] <mazal> lol
[06:46] <Kilos> haha lotsa unhappy peeps
[06:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> mtn is good mostly, but its very much dependant on where you are
[06:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> might be great for me, but terrible for someone 5km from here
[06:47] <Kilos> ah ya mtn here is edge only
[06:48] <Kilos> voda showed hspa last night but 2.1kB/s sucks big time
[06:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah at my house mtn is edge mostly and sometimes 3g
[06:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> i live right on the urban edge
[06:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> just over the hill you get hsdpa all the time though
[06:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> don't really care at home though since i have adsl and wifi
[07:01] <mazal> Also using ADSL at home. Can't beat cable
[07:02] <mazal> But it does get stolen alot :(
[07:54] <Kilos> hmm... pta power decided we need an hours break
[07:55] <Kilos> hi altus welcome to ubuntu-za
[07:55] <Kilos> did anyone welcome you while i was away?
[07:55] <altus> Hi! Thanks :)
[07:56] <Kilos> you not the altus from sewende laan hey?
[07:56] <Kilos> hehe
[07:57] <Golynx> morning ubuntu-za
[07:57] <Kilos> hi Golynx
[07:58] <Golynx> vodacom has broken their own network lol
[07:58] <altus> I'm the guy guy from 7delaan, i do coding in my spare time
[07:58] <Kilos> i managed 61m from voda
[07:58] <Kilos> had to get the other 940m from 8ta night surfer
[07:59] <Kilos> hahaha well said altus
[07:59] <Golynx> nice , i had 500 MB left and only managed to get 30 MB in 5 hours lol
[07:59] <Private_User> morning Kilos, altus, and Golynx
[07:59] <Private_User> morning everybody else
[07:59] <Kilos> hi Private_User
[07:59] <Kilos> Golynx, http://newsletters.mybroadband.co.za/lt.php?c=92&m=99&nl=2&s=bf7acfe2dfd656e64c262fe9165a0e17&lid=1842&l=-http--mybroadband.co.za/news/cellular/102003-vodacom-free-1gb-complaints-compliments.html
[08:00] <Kilos> looks like only the early birds got the fat worms as one guy said
[08:01] <Kilos> altus, if you need help just ask , and if you can give help make this your default connection
[08:02] <Golynx> haha , glad i did :D
[08:02] <altus> wat languages do you guys use mostly
[08:02] <Kilos> lekker to see new clever peeps rock up here
[08:02] <Kilos> we have experts in everything
[08:03] <Golynx> but the 1 GB was a bit too little for the blackberry SDK , i only got the other gig when the network started becoming a mess
[08:03] <Kilos> the main man is python orientated but does all the others too
[08:03] <Kilos> what do you do altus ?
[08:05] <Golynx> mostly server maintenance men here , and web developers and network administrators and computer hardware experts
[08:06] <Golynx> i think :)
[08:06] <Kilos> and the fly does everything
[08:06] <Kilos> and
[08:06] <Kilos> we got 2 ubuntu dev guys
[08:09] <altus> i dev for a company and a lot of freelance dev after hours as well, mostly php
[08:09] <Kilos> and im the greeter bot
[08:10] <Kilos> cool
[08:10] <Golynx> lol
[08:11] <Golynx> Kilos is the best greeter in irc today
[08:12] <Golynx> another php wizz cool
[08:14] <Golynx> i downloaded about 100 mobile games for my nephew yesterday. Now the games wont bluetooth to his memory card on the phone
[08:14] <Kilos> eish
[08:14] <Kilos> no data cable?
[08:14] <Golynx> nope
[08:14] <Kilos> ai!
[08:15] <Kilos> then you just drop stuff to the memory
[08:15] <Golynx> everytime i copy the games folder to the bluetooth window it crashes the window
[08:15] <Golynx> it created the folder on the card but with nothing inside
[08:16] <Kilos> on your system?
[08:16] <Golynx> ya
[08:16] <Private_User> maybe copy on at a time and see if that works?
[08:16] <Private_User> *one
[08:16] <Kilos> maybe update your bluetooth packages
[08:17] <Golynx> i tried that Private_User  did the same crash
[08:17] <Private_User> eish
[08:17] <Golynx> did that too Kilos
[08:17] <Kilos> double eish
[08:18] <Private_User> what phone is it?
[08:18] <Kilos> tell him to try borrow a cable from a buddy
[08:21] <Golynx_> Private_User Nokia Asha 201
[08:21] <Golynx_> Kilos no cable comes with this phone model
[08:21] <Kilos> oh my
[08:22] <Golynx_> it worked before though with the same phone i transfered some zip files
[08:22] <Kilos> oi
[08:22] <Private_User> maybe the phone memory is corrupted or something?
[08:23] <Private_User> and ubuntu cannot read it
[08:23] <Kilos> just format it with the fone then try again
[08:25] <Golynx_> when i send a file via bluetooth to the phone it sends it but only to phone memory , not the memory card as it should
[08:25] <Golynx_> tried many settings and formatting also
[08:27] <Golynx_> i will google some more
[08:32] <Kilos> oi
[08:42] <Kilos> haha saw a good one for mothers day
[08:42] <Kilos> dont forget to buy her a bottle of wine because you are the reason she drinks
[08:49] <Golynx> lol
[08:50] <Golynx> for those who have such mothers
[08:52] <Kilos> i thought that was classic
[08:52] <Kilos> hi Kerbero wassup you just lurk lately
[08:52] <Golynx> haha yeah it is
[08:52] <Kerbero> ye
[08:52] <Kerbero> need to work too :?
[08:53] <Kilos> man a hi guys doesnt interfere much with work
[08:53] <Kerbero> :)
[08:53] <Kerbero> hi oom kilos
[08:54] <Kilos> dag sê Kerbero
[08:54] <Kilos> ek sukkel met my volk partykeer
[09:04] <charl_> good morning all
[09:04] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[09:04]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[09:08] <Kilos> hi charl_
[09:08] <charl_> hi Kilos
[09:08] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[09:09] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[09:09] <Maaz> charl_: Sure
[09:09] <charl_> anyone around who want to help me test OTR across IRC ?
[09:09] <charl_> you need an OTR-compatible irc client like irssi with the correct modules loaded
[09:10] <Kilos> i can help you if you like
[09:11] <Kilos> just need to install it
[09:12] <charl_> which irc client are you using ?
[09:12] <Kilos> hexchat
[09:13] <charl_> ah lemme see...
[09:13] <Kilos> i used otr with xchat some years back
[09:13] <Kilos> heavy to setup but works once going
[09:13] <Kilos> in the repos there is something about irc otr
[09:14] <charl_> https://github.com/hexchat/hexchat/issues/568
[09:15] <Kilos> oh i have konversation here as well
[09:15] <charl_> doesn't look too positive
[09:15] <charl_> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=254752
[09:16] <charl_> heh https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=254752#c7 says "Any updates on this bug? Given recent events, not having working OTR support should be considered a major deficiency in any IRC client."
[09:17] <charl_> heh the xchat-otr package has been removed since 13.04 http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=xchat-otr&searchon=names
[09:17] <Kilos> i see that
[09:17] <Kilos> ya i used it on 10.10 but not simple setup
[09:18] <Kilos> best otr thing is pidgin
[09:18] <Kilos> simple setups
[09:18] <Kilos> but i dont do irc on pidgin
[09:18] <charl_> i am using otr in pidgin with xmpp but i don't like using pidgin as an irc client
[09:18] <charl_> bitlbee also has otr support but it seems to be a little broken at times
[09:19] <charl_> or at least it isn't entirely compatible with the implementation used in pidgin
[09:19] <Kilos> pidgin otr works on then all
[09:19] <Kilos> aim msn etc
[09:19] <charl_> when i talk to someone using pidgin i sometimes get encrypted messages which i can't read in bitlbee
[09:19] <Kilos> you using irssi?
[09:19] <charl_> for irc yes
[09:20] <Kilos> sjoe
[09:20] <Kilos> that didnt go well with me
[09:20] <charl_> why not?
[09:20] <Kilos> i like clients like xchat and konversation
[09:20] <charl_> ok ...
[09:21] <Kilos> even tried that thing maia uses but not too lekker
[09:21] <charl_> nice thing about irssi is that it runs in the terminal which also means you can run it inside a terminal multiplexer like screen/tmux/byobu
[09:21] <Kilos> something you gotta start with curses in the command
[09:22] <charl_> ???
[09:22] <Kilos> im trying to remember
[09:22] <Kilos> weechat or something similar
[09:22] <charl_> oh heard about it but never used it
[09:23] <charl_> looks a lot like irssi
[09:25] <Kilos> that wasnt too hard to setup if i member right
[09:25] <charl_> irssi is dead-simple too
[09:26] <Kilos> you trying to convince me ?
[09:26] <Kilos> hehe
[09:26] <charl_> i used to use http://www.epicsol.org/
[09:26] <Kilos> what you wanna test otr on, the thing you making
[09:26] <charl_> that took some time configuring
[09:26] <charl_> no just for fun
[09:27] <Kilos> oi
[09:27] <Kilos> i see there is python-potr
[09:28] <charl_> haha "potr" sounds like "potter"
[09:28] <Kilos> and irssi-plugin-otr
[09:28] <charl_> yes that's the one i'm using
[09:29] <Kilos> well look for another irssi user
[09:29] <Kilos> my head too full already
[09:30] <charl_> lol
[09:31] <charl_> np
[11:58] <Xethron> Morning morning
[11:58] <Xethron> Heya Kilos, superfly, Golynx
[11:59] <Kilos> hi Xethron
[12:16] <Golynx> hi Xethron
[12:39] <mazal> Cheers all
[14:13] <Kilos> nearly hometime guys keep going
[14:26] <Private_User> yeah guys but forget about home time, your employers love it when employees work like slaves and do not expect any overtime
[14:26] <Private_User> LOL
[14:46] <Kilos> bushtech_, you still in the states
[14:48] <bushtech_> Kilos: Nee, terug innie bos
[14:48] <Kilos> mooi
[14:49] <bushtech_> Looks like one of the drives in my raid server has died:(
[14:49] <Kilos> ouch
[14:51] <bushtech_> pita
[14:54] <Kilos> wb drussell
[15:44]  * JabberwockyA19 finished with work, time for study study study
[16:54] <theblazehen> bushtech: RAID level?  whenever someone says moon
[18:33] <Private_User> lol
[18:33] <Private_User> ok
[18:33] <Kilos> if they kline me i will cry
[18:34]  * theblazehen just has to reboot the router :)
[18:34] <Private_User> which channel did it post at so we will know which are the strict channels
[18:34] <theblazehen> #bitcoin
[18:34] <jabberwockya19> theblazehen: I'm on qwebirc :(
[18:34] <Private_User> ah ok
[18:35] <theblazehen> jabberwockya19: No local IRC? :(
[18:35]  * theblazehen uses weechat
[18:35] <Kilos> jabberwockya19, you are supposed to be studying
[18:35] <Kilos> grrrr
[18:35] <theblazehen> used*
[18:35] <jabberwockya19> I broke my irc
[18:35] <theblazehen> jabberwockya19: client?
[18:35] <Kilos> you as well?
[18:36] <Kilos> what are you 2 doing that you shouldnt be doing
[18:36] <jabberwockya19> Kilos: I've cleaned my room, done the dishes and walked the dog :P
[18:36] <Kilos> sigh
[18:36] <Private_User> lol
[18:36] <Kilos> study study study
[18:36] <theblazehen> jabberwockya19: I'm also most productive at other stuiff when I should study :)
[18:36]  * Kilos battles with the chillens
[18:40]  * jabberwockya19 thinks his 1.5TB drive needs some organising
[18:40] <jabberwockya19> ^_^
[18:40] <theblazehen> jabberwockya19: heh, good time!
[18:40] <theblazehen> And move it to BTRFS while you're at it
[18:42] <jabberwockya19> each time someone mentions that FS I get hungry
[18:42] <theblazehen> Butter FS?
[18:42] <jabberwockya19> yeah :-|
[18:42] <jabberwockya19> does it at least have a propper fsck tool?
[18:43] <theblazehen> Think so
[18:44]  * theblazehen goes sleep
[18:44] <jabberwockya19> been a while since I used it, people buying the project and or hiring the developers doesn't really speed up the project
[18:45]  * jabberwockya19 sees more news about the politics than development
[18:45] <Kilos> night theblazehen you tired?
[18:55] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[18:56] <Kilos> you just made it , ballie bedtime now
[18:57] <Kilos> drussell, wassup there
[18:57] <Kilos> drussell has quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
[18:57] <Kilos> what does that mean
[19:01] <Private_User> be back later, off to watch some tele :)
[19:01] <Kilos> night lad
[19:01] <Kilos> i go sleep now now
[19:01] <jabberwockya19> Kilos: I think that means he spammed too much
[19:01] <Private_User> and good night to the ballies who are off to sleep
[19:01] <Private_User> hehe
[19:01] <jabberwockya19> night night Kilos
[19:02] <Private_User> night Kilos
[19:02] <Kilos> he doesnt spam hes a good guy
[19:02] <jabberwockya19> tomorrow i will beat spekko
[19:02] <Kilos> you guys be good
[19:02] <Kilos> night all
[19:02] <Kilos> Maaz, watch them
[19:02] <Maaz> OK Kilos I'll keep an eye on them for you
[19:02] <Kilos> lol
[19:03] <jabberwockya19> ok Maaz you can play it cool now, his gone


 Dropping to a shell initramfs:
[06:09] <Padroni> ?
[06:10] <Kilos> its seems to have lost the drives id
[06:10] <Kilos> boot-repair will fix it
[06:11] <Padroni> I fixed it myself
[06:11] <Kilos> well done, what did you do?
[06:11] <Padroni> rebuild grub after booting up from live disk and mounting the drive
[06:11] <Padroni> and the /sys /proc folders
[06:11] <Padroni> this happened after a small update ran
[06:11] <Padroni> and I rebooted
[06:11] <Kilos> maybe you can then explain how it loses it
[06:11] <Padroni> came back : pc is dead
[06:12] <Padroni> not a clue
[06:12] <Kilos> ai!
[06:12] <Padroni> but it seems it uses a device id to boot the disk
[06:12] <Kilos> update to what?
[06:12] <Padroni> instead of the boot location like /dev/sda1
[06:12] <Padroni> not sure
[06:12] <Padroni> wasn't even a big thing
[06:12] <Padroni> <2mb update killed my Ubuntu
[06:13] <Kilos> wow
[06:13] <Kilos> old drive?
[06:14] <Kilos> mb or mB
[06:14] <Kilos> 2mb is about nothing
[06:14] <Padroni> i know
[06:14] <Padroni> was a real small update
[06:14] <Padroni> then killed my damn machine
[06:14] <Kilos> wow
[06:14] <Padroni> The nice thing about Linux is: you can fix it yourself.
[06:15] <Kilos> lol
[06:15] <Padroni> The bad thing about Linux is: you have to fix it yourself.
[06:15] <Kilos> i use boot-repair
[06:15] <Padroni> yeah that would have been my last resort
[06:15] <Padroni> had to try and do it myself first though
[06:15] <Kilos> good thats how you learn
[06:16] <Kilos> and refresh memory
[06:16] <Padroni> yup
[06:16] <Kilos> keeps you on your toes
[06:16] <Kilos> i only had those probs on old drives
[06:16] <Kilos> dicey drives
[06:17] <Padroni> yeah this is a old 160GB drive
[06:17] <Padroni> may need to replace it
[06:17] <Padroni> any way to clone my current install to a new drive?
[06:17] <Kilos> ya them dd commands do it
[06:18] <Kilos> thats what Squirm  uses
[06:18] <Padroni> I will speak to Squirm next time he is here
[06:18] <Kilos> i only use dd to zero drives that are badly corrupt
[06:19] <Kilos> Maaz  google cloning a drive with dd command
[06:19] <Maaz> Kilos: "Disk cloning - ArchWiki - Arch Linux" https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/disk_cloning :: "Using DD for disk cloning - Server Fault" http://serverfault.com/questions/4906/using-dd-for-disk-cloning :: "Full DD copy from hdd to hdd - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange" http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/144172/full-dd-copy-from-hdd-to-hdd :: "2 Methods To
[06:19] <Maaz> Clone Your Linux Hard Drive - MakeUseOf" http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/2-methods-to-clone-your…
[06:19] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[06:21] <Padroni> Thanx Kilos
[06:21] <Kilos> yw
[06:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:34] <mazal> Morning everyone
[06:35] <Kilos> hi mazal
[06:44] <Padroni> hi mazal
[07:01] <inetpro> Kilos: did you see my site?
[07:01] <Kilos> yessir
[07:02] <Kilos> did you use the git stuffs?
[07:02] <inetpro> I know the fly won't like this but it's so simple with github
[07:02] <Padroni> share?
[07:02] <Kilos> lol
[07:02] <inetpro> Padroni: http://inetpro.github.io/
[07:03] <inetpro> just a proof of concept at the moment
[07:03] <Kilos> isnt the lp way the more secure even though its more work for dom mense
[07:03] <Padroni> hmm
[07:03] <Padroni> are you a webdev, inetpro?
[07:03] <Kilos> i want the site to stand forever
[07:04] <inetpro> Kilos: the fly will help you with it man
[07:04] <inetpro> Padroni: https://pages.github.com/
[07:05] <Kilos> i know
[07:05] <inetpro> Padroni: I was just playing around with nikola a bit last night and just wanted to complete the cycle by deploying the site somewhere
[07:05] <Padroni> ah ok
[07:05] <Padroni> I have written so many site frameworks the last 5 years
[07:06] <Padroni> I should go see where I have lost/stored them
[07:06] <Padroni> should be on one of  my computers somewhere
[07:06] <Padroni> I write websites from the ground up, starting with the CSS
[07:06] <nuvolari> o/ oh hi
[07:07] <Padroni> I finish about 70% of the CSS before writing a single line of HTML
[07:07] <Padroni> then it all just clicks in place
[07:07] <Padroni> hi nuvolari
[07:07] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[07:08] <inetpro> Kilos: build your site with nikola from scratch, forget about cloning ubuntu-za
[07:08] <inetpro> it's so simple, really!
[07:08] <Kilos> haha inetpro  he just has to find time to fix what we broke first
[07:08] <Kilos> oh
[07:09] <Kilos> all the wui stuff too
[07:09] <Kilos> also it has to be related because we are driving the initiative
[07:12] <Kilos> isnt that page we see what the fly built already with nikola inetpro  ?
[07:13] <Kilos> the one with the broken wui now
[07:14] <inetpro> Kilos: it's as simple as http://getnikola.com/creating-a-site-not-a-blog-with-nikola.html
[07:14]  * Kilos looking
[07:26] <Kilos> hmm...
[07:29] <Kilos> ai! more to get mixed up with
[07:29] <Kilos> a slug is/was a bullet
[07:37] <Padroni> 27k bounce mails in the queue
[07:37] <Padroni> you just KNOW someone will bleed for this...
[07:38] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:43] <Padroni> that's a lot
[07:43] <Padroni> but certainly not the most I have seen
[07:43] <Padroni> it can be 10x that much
[07:44] <Padroni> a decent spam script can knock out thousands of mails / hour
[07:44] <Padroni> if left unchecked...
[07:52] <Kilos> sjoe
[08:04] <Kilos> inetpro  question did you do that in your Projects folder or another place
[08:05] <inetpro> Kilos: does it matter?
[08:05] <Kilos> i dunno?
[08:05] <inetpro> RTFS'
[08:05] <Kilos> ai!
[08:05] <Kilos> go work man
[08:06] <inetpro> :-)
[08:06] <Kilos> i go start cooking
[08:06] <inetpro> ai!
[08:06] <Kilos> lol
[08:07] <inetpro> Kilos: the command 'nikola init mysite' will create a new folder 'mysite' wherever you are at that point when executing it
[08:08] <Kilos> oh
[08:08] <Kilos> no need for the venv stuff?
[08:08] <inetpro> ai!
[08:08] <inetpro> obviously you need to do the pyenv stuffs to get nikola runningt in the first place
[08:09] <Kilos> aha
[08:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> it sounds like "obviously" was not the right word :-p
[08:10] <Kilos> ya its like saying get in the car and go to shop, but not saying take car keys with first
[08:11] <Kilos> :-p
[08:16] <Kilos> so stubborn our pro
[08:18] <Kilos> obviously you must fetch the keys in the kitchen first
[08:18] <Kilos> grrr
[08:57] <Squirm> morning
[09:03] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[09:03] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac
[09:05] <Padroni> hi Squirm
[09:05] <Padroni> hi TinuvaMac
[09:20] <Jacques_Stry> Morning all
[09:22]  * Jacques_Stry bathes in the silence
[09:22] <Kilos> hi Jacques_Stry
[09:22] <Padroni> hi Jacques_Stry
[09:22] <Kilos> hehe
[09:22] <Jacques_Stry> :)
[09:22] <Padroni> We will be launching that site this week.
[09:22] <Padroni> You need to give me links to any tech-ish WP themes you can find
[09:23] <Padroni> (yes, you get to have a say in how the site looks.)
[09:23] <Jacques_Stry> Ok - I'll better work hard on that article then
[09:23] <Jacques_Stry> haha i'll check a few themes out
[09:32] <Kilos> deegee  wb
[09:32] <Kilos> davey on holiday
[09:59] <mopkop> Hello All!
[10:01] <Jacques_Stry> Hi
[10:02] <mopkop> Is the use of Bazaar explorer recommended?
[10:07] <Jacques_Stry> Haven't tried it
[10:10] <mopkop> It seems very user-friendly.
[10:10] <Kilos> hi mopkop
[10:10] <Jacques_Stry> It does
[10:10] <mopkop> Hi Kilos!
[10:31] <Kilos> are we UTC +2
[10:32] <Kilos> that is is gmt and utc the same thing?
[10:32] <Kilos> dont all answer at once
[10:35] <Kilos> hi magellanic
[10:35] <magellanic> heya
[10:36] <Jacques_Stry> well gmt is a timezone - time physically used by countries. UTC is not - it's a standard used as a common time for countries to compare time
[10:36] <mopkop> Well technically, no, but for all practical reasons, yes!
[10:36] <Jacques_Stry> But practically for us it's the same thing
[10:36] <drussell> ha!
[10:36] <Kilos> ok so we are utc+2
[10:37] <Jacques_Stry> yea
[10:37] <Kilos> hehe drussell  wb
[10:37] <drussell> someone stole my nick, forgotten how tedious it was to eject interlopers
[10:37] <Kilos> ty
[10:37] <Kilos> lol
[10:37] <drussell> thanks Kilos, you have a good weekend?
[10:37] <Kilos> yes ty and you drussell  ?
[10:39] <drussell> Kilos: yes thanks! :o)
[10:40] <mopkop> Hello barrydk!
[10:47] <mopkop> Should I put my emailadres on ubuntu wiki? I see superfly put a (a) instead of @, is this to prevent crawler bots collecting the address for spamlists?
[10:48] <Kilos> ya like that
[10:48] <Kilos> and (dot)
[10:51] <mopkop> I really don't mind. I know I had the same problem with it on a website I built. There is some JavaScript app to stop the bots. But I eventually found gmail's spamfilter to be more than enough to stop all the spam from comming in.
[11:01] <Padroni> hi Jacques_Clone
[11:01] <Kilos> hehe
[11:10] <mazal> I need help from the guys that know their stuff
[11:10] <mazal> How do I check if my install is leaking memory ? And if yes what is causing it to leak ?
[11:24] <Padroni> elaborate?
[11:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> "install"?
[11:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> applications can leak memory
[11:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> not really sure what you mean
[11:29] <mazal> I want to know , if any apps are leaking memory , how do I find it
[11:29] <mazal> is there some way to check if it's occuring
[11:32] <Padroni> http://askubuntu.com/questions/152716/how-to-detect-a-memory-leak
[11:40] <Kilos> i need to do that
[11:40] <Kilos> on me
[11:40] <mopkop> lol
[11:41] <mopkop> I think there is a new app for that :)
[11:41] <Kilos> ive tried earplugs and nose plugs and keeping mouth shut but no good
[11:41] <mopkop> You must close your eyes too!
[11:43]  * Jacques_Stry Buddah - See no evil, Hear no evil, Speak no evil
[11:43] <Kilos> lol
[11:43] <Kilos> and do no evil
[11:44]  * Jacques_Stry imagining Kilos as buddah statue
[11:44] <Kilos> haha
[11:54] <Kilos> inetpro  amper http://picpaste.com/nikola_site-wyxEAuGj.png
[11:59] <Kilos> now i need to sleep
[12:09] <superfly> Kilos: wat maak jy? I've already got a basic Ubuntu-Africa site set up, and if you committed a whole lot of nonsense, I can get rid of it.
[12:10] <Kilos> im playing superfly  its nowhere near your site or our bzr stuff
[12:10] <Kilos> not even in projects
[12:11] <Kilos> nor at launchpad
[12:14] <mopkop> Is there any CMS packages that produces static pages (like Nikola), but with back-end web-login?
[12:15] <Kilos> the pro said i must leave all commiting to you superfly  so im playing because the pro doesnt like me resting
[12:15] <Kilos> lol he is too impatient
[12:15]  * Kilos hides
[12:34] <mopkop> Should I just leave Future goals and Contributions open for now?
[12:37] <Kilos> ya
[12:37] <Kilos> as you do more things then you can go add them
[12:39] <Padroni> Jacques_Stry: you still here?
[12:42] <Kilos> i should have made it like this superfly  http://picpaste.com/nikola_site1-JqENi2lU.png
[12:43] <Kilos> sorry for upsetting you first
[12:55] <mopkop> Is Maaz's translation program broken?
[12:55] <mopkop> Maaz translate Lekker
[12:55] <Maaz> mopkop: I couldn't translate that: Please use Translate v2.  See http://code.google.com/apis/language/translate/overview.html.
[13:17] <inetpro> mopkop: fix it
[13:17] <mopkop> Is the sourcecode on launchpad?
[13:18] <mopkop> In all probability, I'll just end up breaking it more :(
[13:18] <inetpro> https://launchpad.net/ibid
[13:19] <mopkop> I assume, it's Google that changed their API handles, that caused the program to break.
[13:20] <inetpro> yep
[13:29] <mopkop> Uhm.... "Google Translate API is available as a paid service." That's a problem...
[13:31] <mopkop> Now Microsoft has a free one. Oh the irony!
[14:31] <Squirm> My head hurts :/
[14:31] <Padroni> why>
[14:33] <Kilos> its thinking
[14:33] <Kilos> im sure thinking is bad for the brain
[14:33] <Padroni> I set up a new blog today
[14:34] <Padroni> about ubuntustuff
[14:34] <Padroni> *ubuntu stuff
[14:34] <Kilos> im gonna hit you
[14:34] <Padroni> me?
[14:34] <Kilos> why do we have to ask for the link
[14:34] <Padroni> oh
[14:34] <Padroni> coz it is not ready for public viewing yet
[14:34] <Kilos> lol
[14:35] <Kilos> ah
[14:35] <Padroni> still waiting for my other contributor to post his articles
[14:35] <Padroni> I added 4 so long
[14:59] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[14:59] <nlsthzn> hey uncle Kilos ... didn't get to the "reporting" today... perhaps later tonight if baby allows or then tomorrow I guess :/
[14:59] <Kilos> whats happening
[14:59] <Kilos> hehe
[14:59] <Kilos> ty nlsthzn
[14:59] <Kilos> babies chew time
[14:59] <nlsthzn> yup and not much sleep >.<
[15:00] <nlsthzn> and was busy preparing paperwork most of the day when I got a chance ... yawn
[15:01] <Kilos> lol
[15:26] <mopkop> Nikola stopped working!
[15:27] <mopkop> It says 'ImportError: No module named datetime' when I try to build
[15:27] <mopkop> Must I re-install python?
[15:32] <Kilos> no
[15:32] <Kilos> lol
[15:32] <Kilos> something else you did wrong
[15:33] <Kilos> import error only?
[15:33] <mopkop> Must I run Nikola in the virtual environment?
[15:33] <Kilos> not you must be in a site to do it
[15:33] <Kilos> yes
[15:34] <Kilos> what site do you want to see?
[15:35] <Kilos> inetpro  woot i dont know what happened but africa running here on local
[15:35] <Kilos> http://picpaste.com/africa_site-mJR3IUh3.png
[15:35] <mopkop> I am. A branch I made to add the trello link
[15:35] <Kilos> did you fix something superfly
[15:36] <Kilos> wait for pro mopkop
[15:36] <Kilos> he understands these things
[15:36] <Kilos> go see my picpaste so long
[15:37] <Kilos> sigh i need to solder my glasses back together
[15:39] <inetpro> mopkop: see: https://trello.com/c/wLYOqOld/42-learn-to-use-nikola-and-bzr
[15:39]  * inetpro wbbl
[15:43] <mopkop> I already set up everything. It worked Yesterday before I updated Ubuntu to 14.10. I think it might have deleted a file.
[15:43] <Kilos> just run that stuff i pasted for you yesterday
[15:43] <Kilos> something is missing
[15:49] <mopkop> I tried to do everything from scratch. I cannot clone pyenv, because it says it is already there, everything is fine until I type in pip install --upgrade nikola, then it tells me "Too many levels of symbolic links"
[15:50] <Kilos> oh my
[15:50] <mopkop> I think I broke bash.
[15:51] <Kilos> im lost young man wait for a brian
[15:51] <Kilos> brain
[15:51] <mopkop> Gonna try a restart.
[15:51] <Kilos> oh the pc?
[15:51] <Kilos> of
[16:27] <Kilos> mopkop  are you winning
[16:28] <mopkop> No, I reinstalled Python, still the same problem. I think 'Too many levels of symbolic links' mean the filepath is too long.
[16:28] <mopkop> I'm going to try and delete the pyenv program and clone it all over again.
[16:29] <Kilos> i dont know but im sure its a little thing you are missing
[16:29] <Kilos> isnt there a nikola update thingie
[16:30] <Kilos> run nikola version
[16:32] <mopkop> It's the virtual environment that doesn't work.
[16:33] <mopkop> Now my terminal is gone!
[16:33] <Kilos> eish
[16:34] <mopkop> And the software centre!
[16:34] <mopkop> I'm just breaking stuff here.
[16:34] <Kilos> looks like
[16:34] <Kilos> cant you get a terminal at all?
[16:35] <mopkop> I'ts not on the computer anymore.
[16:35] <mopkop> But there are 2 other terminals.
[16:35] <Kilos> another one i mean
[16:35] <mopkop> UXterm and XTerm
[16:36] <Kilos> sjoe you do funny stuff
[16:36] <Kilos> how do you open terminals
[16:36] <mopkop> I just type in ter in the search box and press enter
[16:36] <Kilos> just do ctrl+alt+t
[16:37] <mopkop> Yay, Thank you.
[16:37] <mopkop> I guess this terminal is ok.
[16:37] <mopkop> Is there a way to undo changes I made?
[16:38] <Kilos> you can go reboot and choose recovery mode and maybe even use an earlier one
[16:39] <mopkop> Let's try that...
[16:39] <Kilos> if you remember changes you can find them and delete them
[16:39] <mopkop> F8?
[16:39] <mopkop> The problem is, I want to undo the deletion.
[16:39] <mopkop> I have no Idea how I deleted the terminal.
[16:39] <Kilos> oh
[16:39] <Kilos> you work too fast
[16:40] <inetpro> uh
[16:40] <Kilos> lo inetpro
[16:41] <Kilos> mopkop  you need to learn kubuntu it doesnt break so easy
[16:41] <inetpro> how do you delete the terminal?
[16:41] <Kilos> seems like he did it easy
[16:41] <mopkop> I have no idea
[16:41] <inetpro> unlikely
[16:41] <inetpro> Maaz: assumption
[16:41] <Maaz> An assumption is a proposition that is taken for granted, as if it were true based upon presupposition without preponderance of the facts
[16:41] <Kilos> sigh
[16:42] <inetpro> you mean you deleted the icon?
[16:43] <mopkop> Well I can't get to it.
[16:43] <mopkop> It doesn't show up on the search-thing
[16:43] <inetpro> doesn't mean it's deleted
[16:44] <mopkop> How do I access it then?
[16:44] <inetpro> ctrl + alt + t
[16:45] <mopkop> That opens Xterminal
[16:45] <inetpro> aptitude search terminal
[16:46] <mopkop> It gives me a list of things?
[16:47] <mopkop> i'm just going to restart and see what happens...
[16:47] <inetpro> does anyone have an i in front?
[16:48] <Kilos> huh?
[16:48] <inetpro> ai tog!
[16:49] <inetpro> how do people learn this weird thing that they believe a reboot will fix everything?
[16:49] <Kilos> windows
[16:50] <Kilos> unlearning is the hard part
[16:51] <inetpro> and even the idea that the recovery mode will magically fix everything as well
[16:51] <inetpro> weird!
[16:51] <Kilos> it does fix some things
[16:52] <inetpro> you need to know how and what to fix though
[16:52] <Kilos> hmm... i havent used recovery once on kde
[16:57] <mopkop> Restarting broke everything!
[16:57] <Kilos> oh my
[16:57] <mopkop> Now I can't even see the status bar.
[16:58] <mopkop> Or open any programs, or any terminal.
[16:58] <Kilos> terminal
[16:58] <inetpro> what did you do?
[16:58] <mopkop> Ar those programs all written in Python?
[16:58] <mopkop> Or at least dependend upon python?
[16:58] <mopkop> Cause I reinstalled it.
[16:59] <Kilos> i go eat
[16:59] <inetpro> ai!
[16:59] <Kilos> last shot mopkop
[16:59] <Kilos> cant you open a terminal at all?
[16:59] <inetpro> you uninstalled python?
[17:00] <mopkop> Nope, not even with ctrl+alt+t
[17:00] <mopkop> Yes :(
[17:00] <inetpro> alt+f2
[17:00] <mopkop> I Thought reinstalling it will fix the environment problem.
[17:01] <mopkop> I'll just reinstall Ubuntu from scratch.
[17:01] <mopkop> I'm in windows now.
[17:01] <inetpro> sounds like we found Kilos' clone
[17:02] <mopkop> :-D
[17:02] <mopkop> It's how I learn - by breaking things :)
[17:02] <inetpro> reinstalling and rebooting is not the magic solution to everything
[17:03] <inetpro> you need to figure how you broke it
[17:03] <mopkop> My only guess is because I removed python.
[17:03] <mopkop> sudo apt-get remove python2.7
[17:03] <inetpro> ai
[17:04] <inetpro> how do you connect with the machine to the Web?
[17:05] <mopkop> Well I tried sudo apt-get install python2.7 after that. I guess removing something automatically removes all the programs it is dependant upon. What do you meen? I'm in Windows now.
[17:05] <mopkop> Through a Lan cable
[17:05] <mopkop> ADSL
[17:05] <inetpro> you can fall back to command line
[17:06] <mopkop> How?
[17:06] <inetpro> by pressing ctrl + alt + f1
[17:06] <mopkop> Ok let me go try that.
[17:06] <mopkop> How do I restore to a previous point?
[17:07] <inetpro> no such thing, that I am aware of
[17:08]  * inetpro has never uninstalled python but would guess a lot depends on it these days
[17:09] <inetpro> ai,  and mopkop is way too impatient as well
[17:10] <inetpro> Google is your friend
[17:15] <mopkop> CTRL+ALT+F! worked.
[17:15] <mopkop> I needed to sudo apt-get install Unity
[17:15] <mopkop> and gnome-terminal
[17:16] <mopkop> and pidgin
[17:16] <mopkop> Still doing damage control...
[17:16] <Kilos> rofl
[17:17] <mopkop> Maaz note NEVER remove Python.
[17:17] <Maaz> mopkop: What?
[17:18] <Kilos> haha
[17:18] <Kilos> python ties everything together
[17:20] <mopkop> Oh, and software center
[17:22] <mopkop> Is there a linux 101? I really think I should take it. Linux for dummies will work too.
[17:24] <Kilos> there is actually lots of linux material online
[17:27] <mopkop> I'll take a look...
[17:27] <mopkop> What will happen if I type sudo apt-get install KDE?
[17:27] <Kilos> it is kubuntu-desktop
[17:28] <Kilos> and then when booting it should give you a choice of which flavour you want to use
[17:28] <Kilos> you tick a little thing at the top of that little login window
[17:28] <Kilos> top right
[17:29] <mopkop> I see.
[17:29] <mopkop> So I can switch between Unity and KDE?
[17:30] <mopkop> Without installing Kubuntu?
[17:30] <Kilos> supposed to be able to i think
[17:31] <Kilos> and use aptitude
[17:31] <mopkop> Let's try.
[17:31] <mopkop> Still havn't figured out the difference between aptitude and apt-get
[17:32] <Kilos> aptitude works lekker and gives you options when there is an error
[17:33] <Kilos> the ubuntu server book advises aptitude all the time
[17:33] <mopkop> Ok, from now on I use aptitude. It warned me it is going to remove a bunch of packages, so I aborted the install.
[17:33] <Kilos> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/767/what-is-the-real-difference-between-apt-get-and-aptitude-how-about-wajig
[17:34] <Kilos> it normally only removes stuff that isnt needed anymore
[17:34] <Kilos> and old things that have updated versions running
[17:35] <mopkop> I see.
[17:37] <mopkop> There was some keyboard command for typing in terminal commands in the Unity searchbox?
[17:38] <Kilos> that thing you call a search box
[17:38] <Kilos> is that in the dash?
[17:38] <mopkop> Yes, the dasg
[17:38] <mopkop> dash
[17:38] <Kilos> the dash search is for installed apps
[17:39] <Kilos> like pidgin xchat email client etc
[17:40] <mopkop> Yea, I know, but I thought there was a keyboard-shortcut for typing in terminal command directly.
[17:42] <Kilos> what you mean typing in erminal command?
[17:42] <Kilos> terminal
[17:42] <Kilos> opening a terminal?
[17:42] <mopkop> like sudo aptitude install kde-desktop
[17:42] <Kilos> you must know that
[17:44] <mopkop> Alt+F2
[17:44] <Kilos> no man
[17:45] <Kilos> in the terminal type in sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[17:45] <mopkop> Yes, I just thought the dash could do it too
[17:46] <Kilos> dont be lazy
[17:46] <mopkop> I misunderstood what was meant by Command
[17:46] <Kilos> hehe
[17:51] <mopkop> Going to wait with KDE right now. It wants to download more than 200 MB. I'll do it when I have more time. Have tp reinstall bzr first. Yes that got removed too.
[17:51] <mopkop> Somehow NIkola survived.
[17:51] <Kilos> lol
[17:56] <mopkop> Yay, I fixed Nikola
[17:56] <mopkop> It now works without the virtual environment.
[17:57] <inetpro> ai!
[17:57] <Kilos> sjoe
[17:58] <mopkop> Add to the list of things to reinstall - gedit.
[18:02] <inetpro> mopkop: you're not the first one to do crazy things like this
[18:02] <inetpro> see: http://askubuntu.com/questions/187227/i-run-sudo-apt-get-remove-python2-7-can-i-restore-my-ubuntu-now
[18:02] <Kilos> haha
[18:04] <mopkop> Lol, that makes me feel better! Well at least I am learning.
[18:08] <mopkop> I added the link to trello on the 'getting involved' page. Should I put the link in the 'LoCo Links' menu as well?
[18:11] <inetpro> mopkop: sorry, you added what link where?
[18:12] <mopkop> O sorry, the trello link to the website. Someone suggested it.
[18:12] <mopkop> I made a branch
[18:12] <inetpro> ah
[18:12] <mopkop> Just looking for a good menu icon.
[18:12] <inetpro> have you proposed it for review?
[18:13] <mopkop> Not yet, still busy...
[18:14] <mopkop> And what do you know, Font Awesome has a built in trello icon... http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/icon/trello/
[18:14] <inetpro> cool!
[18:15] <inetpro> nlstTAB: uh...
[18:16] <inetpro> wb nlsthzn
[18:21] <stickyboy> You guys use Trello?
[18:22] <stickyboy> I duck out for a week and y'all are still talking about Nikola. I guess I didn't miss anything. :P
[18:24] <inetpro> stickyboy: wb
[18:25] <stickyboy> inetpro: yayyyyy
[18:25] <Kilos> where did you go stickyboy
[18:25] <Kilos> wb btw
[18:26] <stickyboy> Kilos: Thanks
[18:26] <stickyboy> Kilos: I went underground
[18:26] <Kilos> we noticed
[18:26] <stickyboy> Was just giving y'all a break. ;)
[18:26] <Kilos> lol
[18:26] <stickyboy> I was trying to see if #nairobilug survived without me.
[18:26] <stickyboy> hah
[18:30] <mopkop> Hello Stickboy, I don't think we have met.
[18:34] <stickyboy> Troubleshooting an nginx proxy_cache issue.
[18:35] <Kilos> hi wolf1234
[18:35] <wolf1234> evening all
[18:35] <wolf1234> hey dad
[18:43] <mopkop> Evening wolf!
[18:44] <Kilos> mopkop  hes my brat
[18:50] <wolf1234> hey mopkop, sorry man trying to identify my nic again
[18:51] <Kilos> mopkop  type the first 3 or 4 characters of a nick then hit tab and it completes the nick
[18:52] <mopkop> Oh, hello, Ian is it?  Wow, that's useful, i'll remember, thank you.
[18:53] <Kilos> ya he be ian
[18:54] <inetpro> stickyboy: what nginx issues you having?
[18:55] <inetpro> wb wolf1234
[18:56] <wolf1234> ty inetpro
[18:57] <mopkop> Ok, I pushed the branch. Should I now propose a merge, or must it be reviewed first?
[18:59] <inetpro> mopkop: lemme look quickly
[19:00] <Squirm> Evening
[19:01] <mopkop> Good Evening Squirm!
[19:01] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[19:04] <stickyboy> inetpro: proxy_cache returning HTTP 200 but with response body of 0.
[19:04] <stickyboy> inetpro: nginx sitting in front of a Tomcat application.  Otherwise, nginx's proxy_cache is really sweet. Reduces server load by like 95%.
[19:05] <stickyboy> Insane!
[19:06] <inetpro> stickyboy: how much traffic you having?
[19:06] <stickyboy> It's all synthetic though, as I'm running siege against it, but it's the philosophical chestnut!
[19:06] <inetpro> ah
[19:06] <stickyboy> inetpro: Right now I'm doing 150 concurrent requests per second, for 1 minute.
[19:08] <inetpro> stickyboy: not perhaps better to reduce the amount of connections allowed?
[19:08] <stickyboy> inetpro: It's a quad-core Xeon on Linode... with 4GB of RAM and an SSD.
[19:08] <stickyboy> Go moarrr fasterrrrr.
[19:09] <inetpro> the bottleneck will probably be tomcat?
[19:09] <stickyboy> inetpro: Nope. :)
[19:09] <stickyboy> After the requests are cached Tomcat doesn't even get a "hello, old pal!!!"
[19:09] <stickyboy> This application is ridiculously read only.
[19:09] <inetpro> ah
[19:10] <inetpro> interesting
[19:10] <stickyboy> And for logged in users I bypass cache entirely. So it's win win.
[19:10] <inetpro> mopkop: one question
[19:11] <mopkop> Yes?
[19:11] <stickyboy> inetpro: I did a similar thing for my blog, using the fastcgi_cache: https://github.com/alanorth/ansible_blog/blob/master/roles/nginx/templates/vhost.conf.j2#L63
[19:11] <stickyboy> inetpro: Pretty cool
[19:12] <inetpro> should we not just make the link name "Project Management" rather than "Trello Board"?
[19:12]  * inetpro just wondering
[19:13] <Kilos> can work
[19:13] <mopkop> Ok :)
[19:13] <inetpro> keep the icon the same though
[19:13] <Kilos> call it pros nagging tool
[19:14]  * inetpro just thinking from the perspective of a new user
[19:14] <inetpro> Kilos: uh
[19:15] <mopkop> Ok, is this just for the menu-link or for the "Getting involved" page also?
[19:16] <inetpro> well on the getting involved page you explain what it does, or not?
[19:16] <mopkop> Ok :)
[19:20] <Kilos> sjoe they are building nikola on #nikols
[19:20] <Kilos> #nikola
[19:20] <Kilos> well too me it looks like they are
[19:20] <inetpro> Kilos: cool
[19:20] <wolf1234> not cool
[19:20] <wolf1234> someone has taken my nic
[19:20] <wolf1234> in Australia
[19:21] <Kilos> oi
[19:21] <wolf1234> how is that even possible
[19:21] <inetpro> easy
[19:21] <inetpro> you didn't use it
[19:21] <inetpro> wolf1234: what was your nick again?
[19:22] <wolf1234> WOLFEYES
[19:22] <wolf1234> The person took it a month ago.
[19:23] <inetpro> 03/02 21:22:52 [NickServ] Information on WolFEyeS (account WolFEyeS):
[19:23] <inetpro> 03/02 21:22:52 [NickServ] Registered : Jan 27 04:58:09 2015 (4w 6d 14h ago)
[19:23] <wolf1234> exacly
[19:23] <inetpro> ai!
[19:23] <inetpro> wolf1234: time to find a new name
[19:24] <inetpro> not the end of the world
[19:24]  * stickyboy started out as stickboy 13+ years ago...
[19:24] <wolf1234> That is not cool!
[19:25] <stickyboy> Joined Freenode in 2004 and it was taken. Had to choose stickyboy.
[19:25] <stickyboy> :D
[19:25] <inetpro> use it or loose it
[19:26] <Kilos> wow you old hey stickyboy
[19:26] <Kilos> 13 years on irc
[19:27]  * inetpro remembers using irc somewhere in the early 1990's but don't think it was freenode
[19:27] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:27] <inetpro> and have no idea what my nick was back then
[19:28] <Kilos> before hibana even?
[19:28] <Kilos> i miss hibana he was a nice guy
[19:28] <Kilos> real gentleman
[19:29] <stickyboy> Registered : Feb 08 00:56:28 2004 (11y 3w 4d ago)
[19:29] <stickyboy> <---
[19:30] <stickyboy> Man... been here a long time.
[19:30] <Kilos> old man river
[19:30]  * WOLFEYES_1 mumbles
[19:30] <Kilos> lol
[19:32] <inetpro> Maaz: nickometer WOLFEYES_IS
[19:32] <Maaz> inetpro: WOLFEYES_IS is 99.91% lame
[19:32] <inetpro> ai!
[19:32] <Kilos> register it before it gets grouped to the stolen nick
[19:32] <Kilos> lol
[19:32] <inetpro> mopkop: have you changed it?
[19:33] <mopkop> yes, pushing it now...
[19:33]  * inetpro waiting for the merge request
[19:34] <mopkop> Forgot to commit...
[19:36] <inetpro> mopkop: hmm... did you do the bzr launchpad-login thing?
[19:38] <mopkop> Yes, sorry it's up now.
[19:39] <mopkop> Should I request a merge now?
[19:40] <inetpro> mopkop: I don't see it linking you LP name
[19:40] <inetpro> https://code.launchpad.net/~prysdieheer/ubuntu-za/add-link-to-trello
[19:40] <mopkop> prysdieheer
[19:40] <mopkop> For some reason it did not register mopkop
[19:40] <inetpro> just looks odd
[19:41] <inetpro> can you do the merge proposal please
[19:41] <mopkop> ok
[19:42] <mopkop> it's done
[19:44] <mopkop> Should I do the bzr merge thing now?
[19:46] <inetpro> you won't be able to push the merge
[19:46]  * inetpro busy doing the merge
[19:47] <inetpro> in fact, I can't even do the merge
[19:47] <Kilos> ai!
[19:47] <inetpro> but hang on....
[19:50] <Kilos> we hang on
[19:52] <WOLFEYES_IS> night everyone...
[19:52] <inetpro> mopkop: you can go to trunk now and do bzr up
[19:52] <Kilos> night boy sleep tight
[19:54] <mopkop> Yay!
[19:55] <mopkop> So who uploads it onto the server?
[19:55] <inetpro> mopkop: superfly
[19:57] <mopkop> :-[
[19:57] <Kilos> inetpro  once again you scanned over me
[19:58] <Squirm> Gnight all
[19:58] <Kilos> night Squirm
[19:59] <inetpro> Kilos?
[19:59] <Kilos> africa is running locally
[19:59] <inetpro> uh
[19:59] <Kilos> what does uh mean
[20:00] <Kilos> from trunk no twit
[20:00] <Kilos> and everything works
[20:00] <Kilos> i think
[20:00] <Kilos> come see
[20:01] <inetpro> everything?
[20:01] <Kilos> pm
[20:03] <mopkop> Night Squirm!
[20:04] <mopkop> I just realized I made a typo in my email address with the whoami command. Will this break anything?
[20:05] <superfly> nope, you just won't be properly linked in Launchpad. Just run "whoami" again with the correct details
[20:05] <inetpro> ahh, that explains it
[20:08] <mopkop> Oh what a relief. I did not want to repeat today's python episode :)
[20:09] <Kilos> lol
[20:10] <inetpro> mopkop: take it as a good lesson
[20:10] <inetpro> I'm sure it won't happen again
[20:11] <mopkop> I hope so.
[20:12] <mopkop> Going to sleep now. Good night all!
[20:12] <inetpro> good night mopkop
[20:12] <Kilos> night mop
[20:12] <Kilos> sjoe so rude
[20:13] <Kilos> so inetpro  ive done lp login no in trunk do i bzr up now?
[20:13] <Kilos> now in trunk here
[20:14] <inetpro> bzr help launchpad-login
[20:15] <inetpro> and
[20:15] <inetpro> bzr help up
[20:15] <Kilos> dont you see me there
[20:15] <inetpro> ai!
[20:18] <Kilos> ive done  bzr launchpad-login a couple of times
[20:18] <inetpro> Kilos: WAYTTD
[20:18] <Kilos> sigh
[20:18] <Kilos> im trying to get logged in to launchpad
[20:19] <Kilos> im doing it from my trunk is that right
[20:19]  * inetpro thinking... how can I answer this?
[20:20] <Kilos> ai!
[20:23] <inetpro> Kilos: cat ~/.bazaar/bazaar.conf
[20:24] <inetpro> what 'bzr launchpad-login' does is not much more than editing your global bazaar.conf file
[20:24] <inetpro> you can run the command a 100 times, it won't make a difference
[20:24] <Kilos> [DEFAULT]
[20:25] <Kilos> email = msdomdonner
[20:25] <Kilos> launchpad_username = msdomdonner
[20:25] <Kilos> oh
[20:26] <inetpro> clearly your email address is even wrong there
[20:26] <Kilos> huh?
[20:27] <Kilos> please dont try make me think it out
[20:27] <Kilos> i did bzr up
[20:27] <inetpro> you didn't follow the correct 'bzr whoami' instructions?
[20:27] <Kilos> do you see it
[20:27] <Kilos> oh
[20:27] <inetpro> no
[20:27] <inetpro> what is 'bzr up' supposed to do?
[20:28] <Kilos> send this stuff up to there
[20:28] <inetpro> uh, really?
[20:28] <inetpro> bzr help up
[20:28] <Kilos> i dunno
[20:29] <Kilos> i looked there
[20:29] <inetpro> RTFS
[20:30] <Kilos> must i bzr update trunk
[20:30] <Kilos> i did that
[20:30] <Kilos> ai! ek sukkel
[20:31] <Kilos> i cant read a paragraph and then use it, i have to do one line at a time
[20:32] <Kilos> do you see a revision 4 in trunk
[20:32] <inetpro> you need to understand the big picture
[20:32] <inetpro> RTFS https://ubuntu-za.org/bazaar-tutorial.html
[20:32] <Kilos> ai! i give up
[20:34] <inetpro> spoonfeeding every command will never help anyone
[20:42] <Kilos> ok cat looks different but i still cant login
[20:42] <Kilos> [DEFAULT]
[20:42] <Kilos> email = Miles Sharpe<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:42] <Kilos> launchpad_username = msdomdonner
[20:43] <Kilos> is something supposed to change here when it logs in
[20:46] <inetpro> now that looks better
[20:46] <inetpro> Kilos: but
[20:46] <inetpro> what do you mean you can not login?
[20:47] <Kilos> well i did it with msdomdonner but i dont see anything changed
[20:47] <Kilos> didnt say logged in or nothing
[20:47] <inetpro> 03/02 22:24:53 <inetpro> you can run the command a 100 times, it won't make a difference
[20:48] <Kilos> oh we did this before
[20:48] <inetpro> Kilos: it is a once off thing
[20:50] <inetpro> Kilos: if your ~/.bazaar/bazaar.conf is correct and you have the correct SSH keys uploaded on LP then you do not have to worry about the login again
[20:51] <Kilos> oh
[20:51] <inetpro> the login on the browser is a different story
[20:52] <inetpro> let me rehprase
[20:52] <inetpro> Kilos: if your ~/.bazaar/bazaar.conf is correct and you have the correct public SSH key uploaded on LP and your local private key has not changed then you do not have to worry about the login again
[20:53] <inetpro> the bzr login*
[20:53] <Kilos> well it worked once before, how many revisions do you see there
[20:54] <Kilos> here i see revision 4
[20:54] <inetpro> exactly 4
[20:54] <Kilos> but its in trunk and you guys said dont work in trunk
[20:54] <inetpro> exactly
[20:55] <Kilos> so then that should work by you as well
[20:55] <inetpro> it is better to do development on different branches, and then integrate those back into the main branch, once they are stable
[20:55] <inetpro> the main branch = trunk
[20:55] <Kilos> thats why i made twit remember
[20:55] <inetpro> twit was a moerse mistake
[20:56] <Kilos> oh
[20:56] <inetpro> a moerse mistake times 3
[20:56] <Kilos> oh oh oh
[20:56] <Kilos> in what way?
[20:56] <inetpro> you should have branched
[20:56] <Kilos> because it didnt branch from trunk?
[20:56] <inetpro> it is better to do development on different branches, and then integrate those back into the main branch, once they are stable
[20:57] <Kilos> twit was branched from ubuntu-africa
[20:57] <inetpro> eish, ok I see that now
[20:58] <inetpro> but you branched once and then must have done more stuff in trunk
[20:58] <Kilos> nope
[20:59] <inetpro> think is you did it all by yourself
[20:59] <Kilos> i left =trunk alone before i even made twit
[20:59] <inetpro> the idea with team development is that you allow other devs to check and approve your work
[20:59] <Kilos> because in trunk i had messups that fly fixed
[21:00] <inetpro> they dev something and they ask someone else to approve
[21:00] <Kilos> so
[21:00] <inetpro> you do not become the judge, the jury and the excutioner
[21:00] <Kilos> if you run nikola from trunk now do you see the site locally
[21:01] <inetpro> Kilos: patience!!!
[21:02] <inetpro> 03/01 20:25:17 <superfly> and no patience
[21:03] <Kilos> im not pushing to get the site working man
[21:03] <Kilos> 'i want to know if you can run it locally and see if it works and looks ok
[21:04] <inetpro> 03/02 14:09:26 <superfly> Kilos: wat maak jy? I've already got a basic Ubuntu-Africa site set up, and if you committed a whole lot of nonsense, I can get rid of it.
[21:04] <inetpro> Kilos: my branch works
[21:05] <Kilos> is your branch different to whats in trunk?
[21:07] <inetpro> Kilos: just very slightly modified
[21:07] <Kilos> ok then so everything is ok so far
[21:08] <Kilos> now we just be patient
[21:08] <inetpro> Kilos: patience does not mean you must stop working
[21:08] <Kilos> i can forget about bzr and nikola for a while
[21:08] <inetpro> no!!!!!!!!!!!
[21:08] <Kilos> lol
[21:08] <Kilos> oi oi oi
[21:09] <Kilos> you should take my addy permanently
[21:10] <inetpro> 1. start a fresh Nikola site
[21:10] <inetpro> 2. add more pages and content
[21:10] <inetpro> 3. learn to do bzr properly
[21:10] <Kilos> ai!
[21:11] <Kilos> i started 2 today
[21:11] <Kilos> first one i used wrong name causing fly to send that wat maak jy message
[21:12] <Kilos> so ill play in the other one from now on
[21:12] <inetpro> stop making assumptions
[21:12] <Kilos> ai!  strydom
[21:13] <inetpro> you really believe he is watching over your shoulders?
[21:13] <Kilos> who
 first one i used wrong name causing fly....
[21:14] <inetpro> why you say that ^^ ?
[21:14] <Kilos> he saw i made it same name as ubuntu africa
[21:15] <Kilos> and im sure he worries i will mess up more that he has to fix eventually
[21:15] <inetpro> it?
[21:16] <Kilos> the first link i gave today
[21:17] <Kilos> http://picpaste.com/nikola_site-wyxEAuGj.png
[21:17] <inetpro> uh, why shuld he even worry about that
[21:18] <Kilos> isnt the name ubuntu africa
[21:18] <Kilos> then i made this one
[21:18] <inetpro> so what!? It's on your local host
[21:18] <Kilos> http://picpaste.com/nikola_site1-JqENi2lU.png
[21:20] <inetpro> makes no difference
[21:23] <Kilos> every 184 years the moon does what it is going to do tonight
[21:23] <Kilos> will show 12 colours
[21:23]  * inetpro needs sleep
[21:24] <inetpro> good night
[21:26] <Kilos> night inetpro
[21:26] <Kilos> sleep tight
[21:33] <Kilos> at 11.48 is when the moon thing will be at max
[21:53] <Kilos> i only saw 4 colours plus white and a shadow moon behind it
[21:53] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


[02:31] <ScottL> detrate, when i get a list about the website how do i get it to you?
[04:22] <detrate> you can email me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:22] <detrate> brb have to change login mangers
[16:24] <detrate> maybe some audiophiles know the answer as to why I cannot set virtual dj to "real time" process prority in windows 7
[16:25] <detrate> I even found this "documentation" http://www.virtualdj.com/forums/8194/PC_Version_Technical_Support/VirtualDJ_Setup_Guide.html "DO NOT SET IT TO REAL TIME (DO NOT DO IT)"
[16:25] <detrate> but no reason why
[16:59] <ScottL> no idea detrate
[16:59] <ScottL> did you get my emails?
[16:59] <ScottL> hi abogani!
[16:59] <ScottL> abogani, did you say you were working on a i386 -rt kernel or am I an idiot?
[17:00] <detrate> yes I did, I haven't had time to go through them yet.  Been cleaning up my living area and helping my mother.
[17:01] <abogani> ScottL: The -rt kernel ever shipped for amd64 and i386.
[17:01] <abogani> Since Feisty until now i386 is always available side bye side with the amd64 one.
[17:01] <ScottL> detrate, that's cool, no rush, i just wanted to make sure the email went through, go through it whenever you have a chance, it's lot! hehe
[17:02] <ScottL> abogani, are you saying that both the i386 and amd64 2.6.32 kernels did NOT have -rt kernel available?
[17:03] <ScottL> i thought there was at least the amd64 the kernel team was going to support
[17:04] <abogani> ScottL: 2.6.32-rt never see the light neither Ubuntu nor in other distributions. Simply don't exist. You you want an -rt kernel you should choose between 2.6.31 or 2.6.33.
[17:04] <abogani> s/You/If
[17:05] <astraljava> 2.6.33 exists somewhere?
[17:06] <ScottL> someone else had mentioned the 2.6.33 -rt kernel, i thought it was a typo, heh
[17:07] <abogani> ScottL: No it isn't a typo.
[17:07] <abogani> astraljava: Upstream
[17:07] <astraljava> abogani: Gotcha.
[17:08] <ScottL> i was talking to one of the #opensourcemusicians guys and he mentioned that the -generic kernel was performing quite nicely for him to record audio
[17:08] <ScottL> i've had good experiences with it as well
[17:09] <ScottL> but that aside, it's almost an unreasonable desire to have an -rt kernel, just because it's supposed to be "better"
[17:10] <ScottL> never mind that other kernels might fulfill my needs quite nicely :)
[17:11] <astraljava> Whoa: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9231554#post9231554
[17:11]  * astraljava makes a mental note to check the forums more often
[17:12] <astraljava> oops, sorry about the link, points to a single post for nothing, just meant the thread.
[17:21] <ScottL> i like trulan, he really digs into stuff and figures it out, kinda like AutoStatic
[17:22] <ScottL> AND they answer forum posts quite often :)
[17:23] <detrate> where's the dj chat at? Is there any place I can talk with other people who dj and learn about hardware etc? not just open-source based.
[17:23] <astraljava> detrate: Talk to luisbg, he might know.
[17:24] <detrate> ok
[17:24] <ScottL> you might need to email him since he's not on the IRC channel very often
[17:24] <detrate> that's a little ironic :-P
[17:25] <ScottL> http://luisbg.blogalia.com/ is his blog with contact info
[17:25] <ScottL> well, at least not on *this* channel very often, he used to be though
[17:27] <astraljava> ScottL: Is the meeting affirmed on 16th?
[17:28] <astraljava> s/affirmed/confirmed/g
[17:36] <ScottL> astraljava, yes, i should be sending email and posting on the wiki later today
[17:37] <ScottL> thanks for reminding me :)  otherwise i would have forgotten the email/wiki
[17:42] <astraljava> ScottL: Oh good. :)
[17:50] <detrate> damn, I think this video just convinced me to buy this controller http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2pP4FDZERE


[18:17] <seb128> bbl
[18:59] <ogra> tjaalton, i didnt finish the xserver stuff on the weekend, but i confirmed that the input stuff works on real HW, so i assume its something missing in the qemu kernel i use
[18:59] <ogra> (using the same image/rootfs where it didnt work in qemu)
[19:35] <tjaalton> ogra: nice, it helps to narrow down the possibilities. rebuilding the xserver shouldn't matter
[19:35] <ogra> right


[03:04] <mandy_> ?
[07:01] <nik90> zbenjamin, bzoltan_ : Hey I upgraded to wily and got qtcreator 3.5 as part of the upgrade. However I noticed that I am missing the API and a couple of tabs that are shown in the left panel. Known issue?
[07:47] <zbenjamin> nik90: no by design , they are gone
[07:47] <zbenjamin> nik90: the API is part of the help as any other Qt docs
[07:48] <zbenjamin> nik90: we had to drop webkit support and by that all the web based tabs
[07:48] <zbenjamin> nik90: if you have any problems/bugs/breakages with the qtcreator ping me , its still pretty new
[07:49] <nik90> zbenjamin: oh ok. I tried searching in the general Help docs, but couldn't find the SDK docs listed there.
[07:49] <nik90> although if I press F1 over a component it shows that component's help page
[07:50] <zbenjamin> nik90: hmm its not in the index? wth
[07:51] <nik90> zbenjamin: ah i see it now in index. I couldn't find it under Contents.
[07:51] <zbenjamin> nik90: ah yeah, thats probably a bug
[07:52] <zbenjamin> zsombi_: ^  do you know how we can get the UITK docs into the content listing of the Qt docs?
[07:52] <nik90> zbenjamin: I will start reporting bugs that I find over at lp:qtcreator-ubuntu-plugin
[07:52] <nik90> I thought my wily upgrade went bad or something
[07:52] <zsombi_> zbenjamin: wasn't those taken from the chroots?
[07:52] <zbenjamin> nik90: yeah , thats probably more a uitk docs bug though if you can not find it in assistant as well
[07:53] <zbenjamin> zsombi_: from the currently selected target, desktop/chroot... I just checked on desktop and i cannot see it there as well
[07:53] <zbenjamin> zsombi_: right, assistant also does not show them
[07:53] <zbenjamin> nik90: ^
[07:53] <zsombi_> zbenjamin: then we've a bug
[07:54]  * zsombi_ relocates, back in ~10-15 mins
[07:54] <nik90> not sure which assistant you're referring to
[07:54] <zbenjamin> nik90: just type "assistant" in your cmd
[07:54] <zbenjamin> nik90: then you'll see
[07:54] <nik90> oooh that's new
[07:54] <zbenjamin> nik90: no its old
[07:55] <zbenjamin> nik90: its coming with the upstream Qt since forever :D
[07:55] <nik90> no I meant new to me...never used it before ;)
[07:55] <zbenjamin> aa , yeah its the default Qt help viewer, if you do not hack in QtCreator thats the tool you would use to read the docs
[07:56] <nik90> anyway nice to see us integrating more deeply with qtcreator :)
[07:56] <zbenjamin> nik90: could you file a bug against uitk with "Docs are not shown in Contents view in assistant and qtcreator" or so
[07:56]  * nik90 is on it
[08:00] <zbenjamin> nik90: yeah removing those tabs was very welcomed by the QtC guys
[08:01] <nik90> bug 1489322
[08:14] <nik90> zbenjamin: bug 1489331
[08:22] <zbenjamin> nik90: thanks i'll check it out. Did you try to switch runconfigs? Maybe the wrong one is selected
[08:24] <nik90> zbenjamin: in the Projects tab, I looked at the run configuration of the desktop, and it builds at the correct directory, makes .. and that's about it.
[08:24] <nik90> sry was looking at the build configuration
[08:25] <nik90> the run-configuration doesn't show any executable ... it points at a "Custom Executable" which is empty. It is set to deploy locally.
[08:25] <zbenjamin> nik90: the combobox only contains "Custom Executable" nothing else?
[08:26] <nik90> zbenjamin: yup. Nothing else
[08:26] <zbenjamin> damn
[08:26] <nik90> also everytime I "run cmake", it invokes a separate dialog from which I run cmake..instead of it just running it right away.
[08:27] <zbenjamin> nik90: yes thats the default upstream cmake project behaviour
[08:27] <nik90> oh
[08:27] <zbenjamin> nik90: that will stay. I was not able to upstream the changes
[08:27] <zbenjamin> nik90: so i had to revert them
[08:27] <nik90> oke
[08:27] <zbenjamin> nik90: change to qmake :D
[08:27] <nik90> haha :P
[08:28] <nik90> I spent a good amount of time switching from qmlproject to cmake..and I just got comfy with cmake.
[08:28] <nik90> now u ask me to switch to qmake :D
[08:28] <DanChapman> that cmake dialog drives me nuts! I just want to hit run and be done with it
[08:28] <nik90> DanChapman: yup indeed
[08:34] <zbenjamin> DanChapman: nik90: yeah thats why we initially removed it, but it _should_ only pop up if you change cmake files
[08:34] <zbenjamin> DanChapman:nik90: however QtC upstream changes to many stuff and it was just not possible for only me to maintain a patch that big
[08:35] <nik90> zbenjamin: I understand. It is okay since it *only* pops up on cmake file changes. We're recommending people to switch to qmake. And lastly being closer to upstream allows us to focus on downstream stuff that's important to us.
[08:36] <DanChapman> zbenjamin: for me it seems to pop up every time cmake is run, even when there have been no changes.
[08:36] <nik90> DanChapman: but why do you run cmake if there were no cmake changes?
[08:36] <nik90> or is it part of your build script?
[08:43] <DanChapman> nik90: I mean no changes to the cmake files. But changing any c++ in Dekko means cmake needs to be re-run, well that's with the sdk kits anyway. Rarely can I just hit run without having to run cmake first.
[08:44] <nik90> ah oke, that can get annoying
[08:53] <DanChapman> zbenjamin: why does the sdk kits force me to do *alot* of full rebuilds?
[08:54] <DanChapman> On desktop I don't get it, so i'm wondering if there is some limitation with using click chroots?
[08:54] <zbenjamin> DanChapman: hm, nothing should force you to do rebuilds. At least nothing that is hardcoded there
[08:55] <zbenjamin> DanChapman: but its of course possible that with the click chroots something goes wrong
[08:55] <zbenjamin> DanChapman: nik90: tbh the cmake integration in QtC is not the best part of the IDE
[08:56] <zbenjamin> DanChapman: nik90: it was done by someone and then just maintained all the time, no improvements except what we introduced and was taken upstream
[08:56] <zbenjamin> or almost no improvements
[09:13] <kenvandine> rpadovani, i proposed a branch fixing the apparmor policygroup to allow you to keep the screen on
[09:16] <kenvandine> rpadovani, also, if the game pauses for any reason (like it loses focus) you should make it stay paused until the play button is pressed
[09:16] <kenvandine> rpadovani, i might try to do a branch for that at some point too :)
[09:19] <sturmflut2> rpadovani: Argh, that game is going to be so horrible on the phone :P
[10:04] <kalikiana> t1mp: I just noticed, if you drag a page in a certain way the header doesn't hide. if you touch it only very briefly it shifts up and down again, that way you can scroll without hiding the header. can you check that?
[10:12] <t1mp> kalikiana: what do you mean?
[10:12] <t1mp> kalikiana: if you scroll up to hide less than half the header, it will show when you release
[10:14] <kalikiana> t1mp: you mean if you scroll down?
[10:18] <t1mp> kalikiana: yes
[10:22] <kalikiana> t1mp: so that is intentional? it just seems so weird. I don't see what the purpose would be - it would make a lot more sense if I could move upwards slightly to reveal the header instead
[10:23] <t1mp> kalikiana: with scrolling down I thought you mean pressing and then moving your finger up
[10:23] <t1mp> and if you pull your finger down you will show the header
[10:35] <kalikiana> t1mp: yes. and the finger up/ scroll down case is what seems weird. it's very hard to make sure of and I only discovered it by accident
[10:35] <t1mp> kalikiana: I don't really understand the problem
[10:36] <t1mp> kalikiana: the rule is simple, if you release, and the header is more than half visible, it will open completely, otherwise it will hide
[10:36] <t1mp> kalikiana: except if you are very close to the top of the page, then it will open anyway because you cannot pull down more afterwards to show it
[10:39] <kalikiana> t1mp: the problem is that the rule makes no sense and I would never intentionally try to scroll in a way that retains the header...
[10:40] <kalikiana> it's arguably not the biggest problem but at the least it's confusing to see the header when you'd expect it to hide
[10:46] <t1mp> kalikiana: discuss it with design :)
[11:04] <zbenjamin> nik90: its lp:ubuntu-clock-app that fails?
[11:05] <nik90> zbenjamin: ?
[11:05] <zbenjamin> nik90: running the cmake project
[11:05] <nik90> zbenjamin: I don't see a reason why it should fail when it was working just yesterday. Also running cmake and make via the cmd works nicely
[11:06] <zbenjamin> talking about #1489331
[11:06] <zbenjamin> 1489331
[11:06] <zbenjamin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/+bug/1489331
[11:07] <nik90> zbenjamin: the cmake files are in the same format you helped us build a long time ago. Not sure why it is unable to find the custom executable. I could try other projects.
[11:08] <nik90> zbenjamin: same results with lp:ubuntu-calendar-app as well
[11:08] <zbenjamin> nik90: well there were loooots of changes in qtc and the plugin
[11:09] <zbenjamin> nik90: i might have missed some stuff
[11:10] <nik90> zbenjamin: I swear I had this working with Qtcreator 3.4 yesterday nite before the upgrade to wily.
[11:10] <nik90> ;)
[11:11] <popey> mzanetti: what's left to do on https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/reminders-app/fix-writeback-issue/+merge/263848 ?
[11:11] <mzanetti> popey, approving :D
[11:11] <mzanetti> popey, well, not exactly sure what mterry's comment means. I know there's another issue with the checkboxes, but that's an issue in the browser code
[11:12] <mzanetti> popey, I'll try to get oSoMoN to that next week when he's back from the sprint
[11:12] <popey> okay
[11:12]  * popey looks at oSoMoN across the desk
[11:13]  * oSoMoN hides
[11:13] <popey> oSoMoN hides badly
[11:13] <mzanetti> :D
[11:26] <zbenjamin> nik90: i can reproduce , no probs :D
[11:26] <nik90> zbenjamin: :D
[11:30] <zbenjamin> nik90: hm wenn i press "Add" in the runconfigs at least for desktop i can create one. However no idea yet why it does not work initially
[11:31] <zbenjamin> nik90: as well as for the device
[11:31] <zbenjamin> nik90: so its not autocreated but you can add it
[11:32]  * nik90 tries
[11:33] <nik90> zbenjamin: yes you're right...I can live with that for now.
[11:33] <nik90> zbenjamin: btw I noticed this for sometime now, that when I run on the phone, the app logs are not shown in qtc. (I hope I didnt ask this earlier). Is that intentional?
[11:34] <nik90> I need to look at .cache/upstart...which is not hard, but it doesn't refresh automatically and at the moment the sdk is spewing deprecation warnings all over my logs making it difficult to spot actual warnings&errors as a whole.
[11:36] <zzarr>  hello! if I compile a project based on QtQuick for a Ubuntu kit, where's the executable located (on my Ubuntu Phone in this case)?
[12:07] <bzoltan_> didrocks: mzanetti: please test the QtC plugin release candidate from the ppa:ubuntu-sdk-team/tools-development This release fixes few of the bugs you pointed out - https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/+archive/ubuntu/tools-development/+sourcepub/5330419/+listing-archive-extra
[12:15] <didrocks> bzoltan_: as told to zbenjamin, I will only be able to do that next week (off tomorrow)
[12:16] <bzoltan_> didrocks: no problem :) I am doing regression tests anyway during the weekend. thanks for tetsing :)
[12:16] <didrocks> bzoltan_: will tell you on Monday then :)
[13:10] <popey> DanChapman: have you had anyone from canonical complain that they can't get mail using dekko ?
[13:10] <popey> DanChapman: specifically people who use our own internal mail server - not google
[13:16] <DanChapman> popey: Saviq & ogra_ hit issues quite a while back with the internal mailserver with QRESYNC being busted. But it was like dovecot 1.x so pretty old. But lucid EOL'd so i presume it's been upgraded since then
[13:16]  * Saviq checks
[13:16]  * Saviq doesn't wanna answer
[13:17] <DanChapman> popey: why's that?  you having problems?
[13:17] <Saviq> popey, known issue, and it's ours (IS's), not dekko
[13:17] <popey> ah
[13:17] <popey> ted: ^
[13:18] <Saviq> we just need to upgrade at some point...
[13:18] <popey> DanChapman: I'm not, ted is
[13:18] <ted> Ah, okay. I'll complain :-)
[13:18] <ogra_> DanChapman, yeah. i upgraded the server to trusty by now, all fine here
[13:18] <Saviq> ted, clearing cache helps, until it doesn't again
[13:20] <DanChapman> ted, You just need to disable Dekko using QRESYNC, so either go to Settings -> account name -> Incoming server -> Server capabilities and disable QRESYNC you will need to restart Dekko for it to take effect or you can add imap.extension.blacklist=QRESYNC to the dekko.dekkoproject.conf file for the affected account and also restart
[13:21] <popey> nice!
[13:21] <ted> DanChapman, Cool, I have rebuild my caches now too :-)
[15:14] <ted> Still not working, ogra_ or Saviq, can you pastebin your config? (remove password please :-)
[15:30] <DanChapman> ted are you getting any errors pop up?
[15:31] <DanChapman> also the imap logs might give some clues as to what's happening, you'll find them under ~/.cache/dekko.dekkoproject/logs/IMAP
[15:34] <mzanetti> popey, rpadovani, hangout?
[15:35] <popey> hey!
[15:37] <ted> DanChapman, Yeah, ti seems to be timeouts. Guessing one of the IMAP features isn't loved.
[15:37] <popey> mzanetti: -> #ubuntu-touch-meeting ?
[15:37] <mzanetti> popey, ok... so what's the news? :D
[15:37] <ted> DanChapman, Hoping I can crib the answer :-)
[15:37] <mzanetti> ack
[16:45] <balloons> mzanetti, can you fix the conflicts in https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/reminders-app/qmltest2/+merge/253598?
[16:45] <balloons> I listed them
[16:48] <mzanetti> balloons, ack
[17:03] <mzanetti> balloons, hey, I've merged and it should at least compile again
[17:03] <mzanetti> balloons, I've tried fixing the tests but that'll take me a bit longer
[17:03] <mzanetti> balloons, so if you manage to run it so that it prints 3 test failures, then you're good and it's my turn again
[17:03] <balloons> ok, I'll try and get that far
[17:04] <mzanetti> balloons, obviously I've written those tests before completely reworking the EditNoteView... shouldn't be too hard to fix them again, but I need to run for dinner now
[17:07] <ahayzen> t1mp, can we programatically set the width of the left and right sides of the adaptivepagelayout yet?
[17:42] <nik90> ahayzen: I doubt it. I remember zsombor saying the properties to adjust the column width are being currently worked on
[17:42] <ahayzen> nik90, ah ok :-)
[17:43] <nik90> but I am saying from what I heard. You might want to branch his branch and check the API docs
[17:43] <ahayzen> i can see some private stuff in here http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/trunk/view/head:/src/Ubuntu/Components/1.3/AdaptivePageLayout.qml
[17:49] <mzanetti> balloons, hmmm: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/reminders-app-vivid-amd64-ci/198/console
[17:49] <mzanetti> it says uitk is too old
[17:50] <balloons> mzanetti, ahh I see that. So at least they will run
[17:51] <mzanetti> balloons, yeah, it is too old. it installs: 15.04.20150422
[17:52] <mzanetti> balloons, also, I believe once this is fixed we'll be running into issues that it can't run xvfb
[17:52] <mzanetti> unless something has changed in the setup
[17:54] <balloons> mzanetti, yes. we should be able to run these on the device itself now. I assume that will fix it eh?
[18:07] <mzanetti> balloons, yes, that should do
[18:56] <t1mp> ahayzen, nik90: zsombi finished the configurable width of the columns
[18:56] <t1mp> it is in UITK staging since r1609
[18:56] <t1mp> not yet in trunk
[18:56] <nik90> t1mp: ah ok..thnx
[18:56] <nik90> ahayzen: then you can just test using a local build of the staging branch.
[18:57] <t1mp> ahayzen: yes, 'make docs' in staging and then check documentation/html/qml-ubuntu-components-adaptivepagelayout.html
[19:09] <ahayzen> t1mp, nik90 ah cool thanks guys :-)
[19:09]  * ahayzen continues hacking and adding edgy animations to things hehe :-)
[19:12] <nik90> ahayzen: u got me curious, what cool edgy animations are you adding?
[19:12] <nik90> ;)
[19:12] <ahayzen> nik90, so far... sliding in/out of the sidebar and sliding in/out of the toolbar
[19:12] <ahayzen> and ofc my cardview is nicely animated :-)
[19:12] <ahayzen> gotta get it past Victor as well though ;-)
[19:12] <ahayzen> and its all in async loaders :-D
[19:13] <nik90> ah ok :D
[19:15] <ahayzen> t1mp, i noticed that if you have many head sections in the left side of a adaptivepagelayout they 'leak' into the right side (note my right side is blank) ? is that known ?
[19:36] <Dramatic6> hi
[19:36] <Dramatic6> can anyone help me with edubuntu
[19:59] <t1mp> ahayzen: no, I didn't know that
[19:59] <t1mp> ahayzen: can you report a bug for that?
[19:59] <ahayzen> t1mp, yup will do, let me create a mini example as well :-)
[20:00] <t1mp> ahayzen: there will be some more work done for the sections, to make them scrollable when they don't fit
[20:00] <t1mp> but first I have to finish all the other header stuff that we discussed yesterday
[20:00] <ahayzen> t1mp, and what is the reason for it being recommended to only 3? as we'll need at least 6 .. is it just the fact that scrolling is still WIP ?
[20:00] <ahayzen> (it being the head sections)
[20:00] <t1mp> ahayzen: yes, that recommendation will go away when the scrolling is done
[20:00] <ahayzen> "It is not YET recommended or supported to use more than three sections." ;-)
[20:00] <ahayzen> cool
[20:01] <t1mp> yeah :)
[20:07] <ahayzen> t1mp, bug 1489591
[20:08] <t1mp> ahayzen: right, confirmed.
[20:09] <ahayzen> thanks :-)
[20:09] <t1mp> ahayzen: there is a branch for scrolling in the sections https://code.launchpad.net/~faenil/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/WIP_BROKEN_scrollableSectionsStyle/+merge/264616
[20:10] <t1mp> ahayzen: I didn't have time to check it out yet, but it still has stuff that needs to be fixed
[20:10] <t1mp> but it will be a while before I have time for it :(
[20:11] <ahayzen> dekko has scrollable head sections? or is it just some situations like this that don't work ?
[20:12] <t1mp> I don't know. Installing it now.
[20:12] <ahayzen> maybe they have a component that looks like a head section  aha
[20:13] <t1mp> yeah our Sections don't have scrolling yet
[20:16] <DanChapman> ahayzen: yeah it's just a simple horizontal listeview in dekko for the sections.
[20:16] <DanChapman> *listview
[20:16] <ahayzen> DanChapman, ah cool thanks :-)
[20:18] <t1mp> oh wow, it looks quite nice :)
[20:19] <t1mp> I understood from faenil that there were some issues with the Sections component using a ListView
[20:19] <t1mp> I like the bottom edge in dekko :)
[20:19] <ahayzen> DanChapman, i've just starting using dekko primarily now after google account integration was added, now the main things i'm missing from the gmail webapp is thread view and being able to filter by the gmail sections (eg primary, social, promotions etc)
[20:19] <t1mp> I mean the reply/forward/reply all thing :)
[20:20] <ahayzen> i see there is a bug for threaded view, but is there one for the gmail sections ? or a way of showing them ?
[20:20] <ahayzen> yeah the bottom edge is nice :-)
[20:21] <t1mp> I also like the horizontal swiping on e-mails
[20:22] <t1mp> actually I suggested this behavior but I think the designers didn't want to make that a common pattern
[20:22] <t1mp> oh shit
[20:22] <t1mp> is there an undo? ;)
[20:22] <t1mp> I unstarred some stuff and I don't know what it was
[20:24] <t1mp> oh well, if it was important it will show up again one day ;)
[20:24] <t1mp> oh I like the navigation panel too
[20:24] <t1mp> DanChapman: awesome app :) lots of great stuff in it
[20:28] <DanChapman> ahayzen: well thread view is in progress at the moment. And will most likely be in the next update but gmail categories aren't provided with IMAP so that probably won't happen
[20:29] <ahayzen> DanChapman, ah damn oh yeah even TB can't see them either, must be something they have at their end :-/ .. well the threaded views will help alot anyway :-)
[20:29] <nik90> DanChapman: wow ... thread view is close to being done? That's awesome!
[20:29] <nik90> that's the only thing I miss now in Dekko
[20:30] <nik90> and also the wrapping of subject lines in the phone <------- I get emails with long subjects...please make it happen :D
[20:32] <DanChapman> nik90 there's actually a hidden thread view in the latest release, cookie to whoever finds it :-) it's really only a placeholder for the singlethreadmodel but it works, it's just slow if the server doesn't support threading so we have to do it client side sorting. BUt that will be quicker with the coming incremental sort changes
[20:35] <nik90> ooh ... looks around for it
[20:35] <DanChapman> t1mp heh undo actions would probably be quite nice to have. Not sure if we have a bug for that
[20:36] <t1mp> DanChapman: I'll report one
[20:38] <t1mp> DanChapman: https://bugs.launchpad.net/dekko/+bug/1489604
[20:39] <DanChapman> nik90: well the subject is going to be moving back to the header https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwhxYaiA7z1qTGI0eWJQb1FsYWhxbjd6U1pwaVVXN2dUSWZz/view?usp=sharing so i'm sure we will have plenty of room to wrap it.
[20:41] <ahayzen> t1mp, if i've been using .push(pageUrl, properties) with the pagestack before and now i want to use the adpativepagelayout, how would you recommend creating the page? I tried creating a method like this http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12209037/ but then some PageWrapper stuff breaks ?
[20:41] <DanChapman> t1mp: super, thanks!
[20:47] <t1mp> ahayzen: interesting :) we were discussing exactly this today
[20:48] <ahayzen> :-)
[20:48] <t1mp> ahayzen: zsombi_ will implement what you are doing to be the default :)
[20:48] <t1mp> ahayzen: so if you push your component, an incubator will be returned
[20:48] <t1mp> and the page created
[20:48] <t1mp> asynchronously
[20:48] <ahayzen> hehe :-) and that'll be pushed to the right ?
[20:49] <t1mp> ahayzen: yes. We only return the incubator in case you need to get a notification when the page is loaded
[20:49] <ahayzen> cool, is there any code i can use to test that yet?
[20:50] <t1mp> ahayzen: no, we were discussing it only today. I think zsombi_ will work on it next week
[20:50] <t1mp> ahayzen: here https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bSoEynFzD3VAB8kLJW4lcVgtlEzwEF5_RicNQTIA-RY/edit# at the bottom there is an example how you could use it
[20:50] <ahayzen> ah damn, hmm i'll have to figure out a way of doing it myself for now then :-)
[20:51] <ahayzen> t1mp, i don't have permission to that :-/
[20:52] <t1mp> ahayzen: try again https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bSoEynFzD3VAB8kLJW4lcVgtlEzwEF5_RicNQTIA-RY/edit?usp=sharing
[20:52] <ahayzen> t1mp, there we go thanks :-)
[20:53] <ahayzen> oo the layouts: [ ... ] stuff looks cool :-)
[20:55] <ahayzen> t1mp, that example doesn't show passing properties though :-/
[20:56] <t1mp> ahayzen: right, but you can do that already now
[20:56] <t1mp> ahayzen: if you have a use case, please add a comment there, it will help us to make sure the API covers all the cases
[20:57] <t1mp> ahayzen: yeah, the layouts are in lp:ubuntu-ui-toolkit/staging already :)
[20:57] <ahayzen> i use case? as in the need for passing properties ?
[20:57] <t1mp> ahayzen: yes, or just ask for an example where the properties are passed, to make sure that zsombi tests that as well :)
[20:58] <ahayzen> like we have views for albums/songs and we give it the album details via the properties thing currently.. and loads of other info
[21:01] <ahayzen> t1mp, something like that comment ?
[21:02] <t1mp> ahayzen: yes, but add "can you extend the example to show how to pass properties to the new Page"
[21:03] <ahayzen> done :-)
[21:05] <t1mp> ahayzen: great, thanks :)
[21:07] <t1mp> Kaleo: I pushed a fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1488922
[21:07] <t1mp> Kaleo: feel free to test/review the MR, or ask boiko if you see him tomorrow
[21:07] <t1mp> took me a while to find the bug, but the fix is one line :)
[21:13] <ahayzen> t1mp, hehe my slightly hacky solution for now http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12209492/
[21:14] <t1mp> ahayzen: you can already add the properties as the third parameter for addPageTo{Next,Current}Column
[21:14] <ahayzen> can you?
[21:14] <t1mp> ahayzen: yes, just in the examples for the incubator it is missing
[21:14] <ahayzen> oh yeah!
[21:14] <t1mp> :)
[21:14] <ahayzen> you blog post didn't say that IIRC ;-)
[21:15] <t1mp> ahayzen: right, it doesn't. I wanted to show that the basic stuff is simple and to get people experimenting with it :)
[21:15] <t1mp> the blog post doesn't replace the full docs
[21:15] <ahayzen> :-)
[21:16] <t1mp> hmm
[21:16] <t1mp> I could have easily added a property to set the background color of the new page
[21:28] <ahayzen> t1mp, there is the primaryPage property to get the rootpage but nothing to get the right most or others in the 'stack'/layout ?
[21:33] <t1mp> ahayzen: no, we started with a minimal API
[21:33] <t1mp> ahayzen: but if you can report a bug with a use case, we will probably add it
[21:33] <ahayzen> i could track it myself.. if i knew when pages were being popped
[21:35] <t1mp> ahayzen: when you have the pages that you added, you can check when they are 'active'
[21:35] <ahayzen> yeah i was just thinking something along those lines thanks :-)
[21:35] <t1mp> but we were thinking that maybe you should not be tracking which page is in which column, because that can change at any time (for example when the user resizes the window)
[21:36] <ahayzen> but we show/hide things depending which page you are on when not in the wider mode
[21:45] <t1mp> ahayzen: which things?
[21:45] <t1mp> ahayzen: perhaps you can control that from the page that is hidden/visible?
[21:45] <ahayzen> loads of things! haha like we don't show the toolbar when your on the now playing page
[21:46] <ahayzen> we had *alot* of things that were bound to PageStack.currentPage.title
[21:46] <t1mp> which toolbar? you mean the actions in the header?
[21:46] <ahayzen> we have our own toolbar at the bottom ;-)
[21:47] <t1mp> we should have another sprint with app developers to work out those things :)
[21:47] <ahayzen> :-)
[21:54] <ahayzen> seem to have found a sortof solution :-)
[22:03]  * t1mp off