[00:00] <mshooshtari> "Use this connection only for resources on it's network" when checked in the routes section of the vpnc network manager tool for gnome does not stay checked.
[00:00] <Xgates> yeah but Grub2 is beta, I mean HEY as far as other software goes like a spread sheet app, internet programs, etc... BETA is fine, but we're talking a boot loader here that can hose your hdd
[00:00] <yofel> ign0ramus: yes, there were issues with dual booting, iirc the fix was to run os-prober and update-grub again - or to wait for apt to run it again ;)
[00:00] <DopeGhot1> ign0ramus: did/do you ahve os-prober installed? :)
[00:00] <cousteau> ..this png wasn't there before
[00:01] <Xgates> now legacy grub never gave me a problem, but even in it's state, not sure how it compares...
[00:01] <ign0ramus> DopeGhot1, no, i just did an update-grub, and it was detected and displayed upon subsequent reboot
[00:01] <yofel> cousteau: after boot the png is generated from the .tgz archive, that can take a few moments
[00:01] <DopeGhot1> Xgates: even the 'legacy' grub is 'only' at v0.97
[00:02] <Xgates> well it seemed stable...
[00:02] <Xgates> hey does anyone know anything about a Ubuntu package for isight-firmware-tools?
[00:02] <mbeierl> grub "1" is at 0.97, grub 2 is at 1.9 something?
[00:02] <mbeierl> hee hee
[00:02] <ign0ramus> so no one knows why 2.6.31-11-generic drops me into a tty, while 2.6.31-10-generic starts kdm?
[00:03] <Xgates> grub legacy and grub 2 are not the same, so to compare them is apples and oranges :)
[00:03] <mbeierl> ign0ramus: that sounds like you don't have display kernel mods compiled.  are you using nvidia?
[00:03] <ign0ramus> mbeierl, no integrated Intel (which is why i upgraded to Karmic in the first place)
[00:04] <ign0ramus> mbeierl, GM945
[00:04] <Xgates> Ubuntu needs isight-firmware-tools ---->  https://launchpad.net/isight-firmware-tools/
[00:04] <Xgates> hell even Fedora offers it
[00:04] <topyli> i used to like to have a grub password. apparently grub2 doesn't support it :(
[00:04] <mbeierl> ign0ramus: ahg.  sorry - can't help then :(  But check in the tty - log in and do a lsmod and compare it to -10 - same mods loaded?  does intel compile as a mod?
[00:05] <ign0ramus> mbeierl, that's a good idea... i have not checked that yet. thanks :)
[00:05] <Xgates> ahh my bad it says it's in Mulitverse:   http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/isight-firmware-tools
[00:05] <cousteau> ok, I made a bootchart, now I should interpret it
[00:06] <ign0ramus> mbeierl, a simple "sudo kdm" gets things rolling again, but kdm does not start automatically in -11
[00:06] <DopeGhot1> topyli: actually, it does
[00:06] <mbeierl> ign0ramus: oh.  well there goes that theory.  sorry - I'll shout out if I have any more wonderful ideas ...
[00:07] <ign0ramus> mbeierl, np... thanks. i need some thinking minds. mine's borked for the evening :)
[00:07] <yofel> ign0ramus: let me check on my 945GME, have to reboot anyway
[00:07] <ign0ramus> yofel, cool. i'll hang here
[00:08] <ign0ramus> mbeierl, if it helps, this kernel was seemingly brought in when i enabled backports, and now apt wants me to remove -10
[00:08] <DopeGhot1> topyli: http://grub.enbug.org/Authentication
[00:08] <mbeierl> ign0ramus: apt sees that you're up to -11 and so -10 is "no longer needed" I think
[00:09] <mbeierl> ign0ramus: -11 came out not too long ago
[00:09] <mbeierl> ign0ramus: like within 2-3 days?
[00:09] <ign0ramus> mbeierl, yeah, but i don't recall apt asking to uninstall older kernels. heck, i had 8 or so just a few months ago, and apt never complained :)
[00:09] <ign0ramus> mbeierl, yeah, about 3-4 days ago is when it was installed
[00:10] <mbeierl> ign0ramus: I think that's part of an overall "don't keep deprecated kernels around cluttering up filesystems" approach, but that's just my interpretation
[00:10] <ActionParsnip> ign0ramus: did you reset video settings to failsafe?
[00:11] <ign0ramus> mbeierl, i understand that, but 1) -10 is not deprecated by any means, and 2) i've never been prompted to autoremove kernels
[00:11] <ign0ramus> ActionParsnip, no, but that's interesting you say that...
[00:11] <ign0ramus> ActionParsnip, in the new kernel, if i do a "startx" instead of "sudo kdm", it loads Failsafe Gnome...
[00:11] <mbeierl> ign0ramus: oh - right - I do still have -10 here and not been prompted to remove it
[00:12] <ign0ramus> mbeierl, do you have backports installed?
[00:13] <mbeierl> ign0ramus: yep - deb http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/ubuntu/ karmic-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[00:14] <mbeierl> but not partner
[00:14] <ActionParsnip> ign0ramus: try using the vesa video driver, see if it boots smooth
[00:14] <yofel> ign0ramus: works fine here... any errors when trying 'sudo start kdm' from tty?
[00:14] <ign0ramus> ActionParsnip, reconfigure xorg?
[00:15] <Xgates> say after I hit enter at the Grub menu to boot the kernel I get the cosole screen for a few seconds spitting out a few msgs, about ssb and some usb stuff and I'm wondering is there a way to disable seeing kernel msgs and just have it go straight from the Grub menu to the Ubuntu loadig screen?
[00:15] <ign0ramus> yofel, i just use "sudo kdm", and it loads immediately. I did not try "start" or any daemons
[00:15] <Xgates> I thought 'quiet' in grub was suppose to do that....
[00:15] <Xgates> I get the cosole/console screen
[00:15] <yofel> ign0ramus: kdm is usually started as a system daemon, maybe that fails
[00:16] <DopeGhot1> Xgates: try adding a 'vga' paramater to the kernel line; that'll blank the screen 'till a framebubber and/or X starts :)
[00:16] <Xgates> ahhh
[00:16] <DopeGhot1> (mainly because the 'vga' paramater is broken; it's supposed to allow a higher-resolution tty console
[00:16] <ign0ramus> yofel, that could be it... what log would that be in?
[00:16] <DopeGhot1> but it usually breaks 'em
[00:16] <ActionParsnip> ign0ramus: boot to root recovery mode, then edit it xorg.conf with nano to set the driver to vesa
[00:16] <yofel> ign0ramus: don't know sry
[00:16] <Xgates> I know how they are in lilo but in Grub I don't know them, any URL or idea how to write it?
[00:17] <ign0ramus> yofel, np, i'll look it up :)
[00:17] <DopeGhot1> Xgates: you using GRUB of GRUB-PC?
[00:17] <ign0ramus> ActionParsnip, that could be it... i have a large display entry from Jaunty because intel graphics regressions...
[00:17] <Xgates> grub-pc? huh?
[00:17] <yofel> Xgates: grub or grub2?
[00:17] <Xgates> I just installed Karmic from a clean install, so grub2
[00:18] <ign0ramus> ActionParsnip, whaddya think... back up old xorg and try with a blank section?
[00:18] <DopeGhot1> Xgates: Grub-pc is the real name of what we're calling grub2
[00:18] <Xgates> lol
[00:18] <ign0ramus> ActionParsnip, or do i even need a xorg entry at all any more?
[00:18] <Xgates> I was like grub-pc what the heck, hehe
[00:18] <DopeGhot1> Xgates: see: apt-cache show grub2
[00:18] <yofel> ign0ramus: you could try to move your xorg.conf somewhere else, karmi X doesn't need one if you use the default settings
[00:18] <DopeGhot1> specifically the Depends and Description lines
[00:19] <Xgates> k
[00:19] <ign0ramus> yofel, i think that's what I'm going to do now.
[00:19] <ign0ramus> thanks guys, i'll check in later.
[00:20] <Xgates> ahh yeah same thing as lilo ---> vga=792
[00:20] <Xgates> but I thought the vga parm breaks grub2?
[00:20] <Xgates> or didn't you just say that?
[00:21] <DopeGhot1> it doesn't break grub, it breaks the ttys (sometimes)
[00:21] <DopeGhot1> so you'll get a blank, black screen until xsplash starts
[00:22] <Xgates> DopeGhot1: ---> http://harrison3001.blogspot.com/2009/09/grub-2-graphical-boot-tips-to-set.html
[00:22] <Xgates> according to this you write it different...
[00:23] <Xgates>     the line to change into the /etc/default/grub file is GRUB_GFXMODE=1280x800 and then issuing update-grub. The resulting action is to write the line set gfxmode=1280x800 into the grub.cfg file."
[00:23] <joaopinto> was apport disabled on beta ?
[00:23] <ign0ramus> ActionParsnip, yofel: it seems my xorg.conf was the culprit :)
[00:23] <ign0ramus> ActionParsnip, yofel: moved xorg.conf to Desktop, rebooted into the new -11 kernel, smooth boot directly to kdm.
[00:23] <yofel> ign0ramus: :)
[00:24] <yofel> joaopinto: not that I know of, it's still activated here
[00:24] <ign0ramus> yofel, now to see if a flash video is watchable (that's why i had a heavily modified xorg.conf in the first place)
[00:24] <joaopinto> strange, empathy should be crashing and i got no dialog
[00:24] <ActionParsnip> ign0ramus: no X server at boot usually means bad xorg.conf, swtch to vesa then test. If its stil bad then try other stuff
[00:25] <braindev> alright, first boot with 9.10 and intel 855GM ... throws drm rendering error, but boots up fine
[00:25] <ign0ramus> ActionParsnip, as usual, you were right :)
[00:25] <ActionParsnip> im not always right but i like to help
[00:25] <ActionParsnip> braindev: did you verify the install CD?
[00:26] <Elone> how do i modify "Place" and Desktop harddrive icon
[00:26] <Elone> i have a few partition wanna hide
[00:26] <ActionParsnip> Elone: you can set them in gconf I think
[00:26] <Xgates> DopeGhot1: did you see that URL?
[00:27] <braindev> yes i did, but for some reason my cd-writer makes too many errors. i have not had valid cds for the past 2-3 months. dont ask me how this comes
[00:27] <Lars_G> do we have a new beta? shitload of updates today :)
[00:27]  * Xgates is getting a 134MB of updates
[00:27] <Xgates> yea a lot...
[00:27] <Elone> ActionParsnip,  gconf? no such file ; ; ~ details plz?
[00:27] <Xgates> even the kernel is updated....
[00:28] <ActionParsnip> Elone: alt+f2   gconf-editor
[00:28] <yofel> Lars_G: that are all the updates that were held back due to beta freeze (to get all the dependencies right in the repository) ;)
[00:28] <ActionParsnip> Elone: if you write in full sentances its really helpful
[00:28] <ActionParsnip> Elone: you are not charged by the character
[00:28] <Lars_G> yofel: Well I'm a happy camper
[00:29] <Lars_G> I hope some of my gripes get cleaned on this
[00:29] <Lars_G> :)
[00:29] <Lars_G> Anyhow lots of updates always make me squee
[00:29] <braindev> ActionParsnip: are there known bugs due to download or cd burning errors?
[00:29] <braindev> revoke that
[00:29] <test34> Can I un-encrypt my partition ?
[00:29] <braindev> this even confuses me
[00:30] <ActionParsnip> braindev: yes if the image gets corrupted in transport, thats why MD5sums exists as well as the CD having a self tester
[00:30] <ActionParsnip> !md5 | braindev
[00:30]  * Lars_G negates test34's question
[00:30] <Lars_G> can I encrypt a home directory on an already working machine?
[00:30] <test34> It says I have 421gb free on a 75gb drive (using $ df -h)
[00:30] <Lars_G>  /home is under same partition as /
[00:31] <Lars_G> test34: is your drive tradis brand?
[00:31] <ActionParsnip> Lars_G: the home partition would have to be on its own partition
[00:31] <Lars_G> hmmm
[00:31] <braindev> ActionParsnip: i know about that... I am using ubuntu 8.04 for downloading and k3b for writing the cd
[00:31] <Lars_G> ActionParsnip: I could parted down my ext3 some, make a new partition, copy stuff there, and then remove home and mount....
[00:32] <ign0ramus> Lars_G, yes, you can easily make /home/ it's own partition
[00:32] <test34> Lars_G, no, it is a Western Digital Raptor 74GB
[00:32] <ActionParsnip> braindev: if the ISO checks out then burning and booting will be a lot smoother
[00:32] <ActionParsnip> Lars_G: i guess, backup your data first incase
[00:33] <Lars_G> But, thing is I HATE /home on separate partitions
[00:33]  * Lars_G sighs
[00:33] <ign0ramus> Lars_G, makes upgrading much easier :)
[00:33] <test34> Lars_G, why? it's great
[00:33] <Lars_G> because my needs balance, if I give home most of the hdd, eventually I have a spurt of installing stuff and / starves
[00:33] <braindev> @ActionParsnip: K3B shows that the MD5 sum is correct, but it showed a verification error. (it always does for a few months for some reason)
[00:33] <Lars_G> and if I do it the other way, and get a lot of data, /home starves down
[00:33] <Lars_G> :(
[00:34]  * Lars_G sighs
[00:34] <ign0ramus> Lars_G, either you're keeping too much, or an HDD upgrade is in order ;)
[00:34] <Lars_G> I might end up doing it anyhow
[00:34] <Lars_G> ign0ramus: It's a new machine, and I'm sharing it with it's windows install, which I use 2 minutes every 2 months
[00:34] <Lars_G> a netbook
[00:34] <ign0ramus> Lars_G, ah... that would do it :(
[00:35] <ign0ramus> Lars_G, SSD or SATA?
[00:35] <Lars_G> sata
[00:35] <Lars_G> I might downsize windows part a tad bit
[00:35] <ign0ramus> Lars_G, so you have at least 100+GB, right?
[00:35] <Lars_G> right
[00:35] <Amaranth> ign0ramus: SSD or HDD :)
[00:35] <Lars_G> Right now I use 13Gb on my whole linux partition
[00:35] <ign0ramus> Lars_G, which version of windows are you using?
[00:35] <Amaranth> I guarantee a SSD is using SATA :P
[00:35] <ign0ramus> Amaranth, you are right, but you know what i meant :P
[00:36] <Lars_G> I think I'll give / 25 Gb and the rest of the 81 to /home
[00:36] <Amaranth> yay compiz is going to handle resolution changes properly soon
[00:36] <Amaranth> starting with karmic people won't have to turn compiz off before giving a presentation
[00:36] <ActionParsnip> braindev: not sure a verification is good. if you run (in terminal): md5sum <the iso file you have>
[00:36] <thiebaude> Amaranth, cool
[00:36] <Lars_G> ign0ramus: If I do repartition, is there an Ubuntish guide to home partition encripting?
[00:36] <ign0ramus> Lars_G, Win7 runs smoothly but needs like 17GB for an install. Keep XP if you're dual booting
[00:37] <ign0ramus> Lars_G, http://embraceubuntu.com/2006/01/29/move-home-to-its-own-partition/
[00:37] <XiXaQ> I've just installed karmic beta. I'm having some big problems with nm-applet. It doesn't let me configure my network interface. Am I right that the network connections are stored in gconf /system/networking/connections?
[00:37] <Lars_G> ign0ramus: this machine came with XP blessedly, smaller than win 7 or vista, and I'll keep that since it's a legal license
[00:37] <Lars_G> I am NOT buying a MS license, for this machine or any other
[00:37] <ign0ramus> Lars_G, good idea. i keep my xp for my crappy printer and for rosetta stone, and nothing else
[00:37] <Lars_G> There is only 2 MS programs which I consider they've done correctly. no more
[00:38] <Lars_G> ign0ramus: I mainly keep my XP for the very odd windows only program, and Symbian's SDK
[00:38] <ign0ramus> Lars_G, what are the 2?
[00:38] <XiXaQ> and can someone please confirm or deny that the connection dialog in nm-applet in karmic doesn't work?
[00:38] <ActionParsnip> braindev: you can then compare it to these: http://es.releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/9.10/MD5SUMS
[00:38] <Lars_G> ign0ramus: Windows Server 2000 and Office 2003
[00:38] <braindev> ActionParsnip: K3B calculated the ISOs MD5 sum just like your console hint. This one is correct and the same as on the site.  This is a good plextor writer, but i think it is time for a new one...
[00:40] <Lars_G> ign0ramus: Thankfully we have a guy who does windows stuff now, I only handle *nix systems
[00:41] <ign0ramus> Lars_G, nice!
[00:41] <Lars_G> ign0ramus: Yeah but I have a legacy Red Hat 6.2 machine so it's not all roses
[00:41] <ign0ramus> Lars_G, RHEL?
[00:41] <Lars_G> thank gods I could get rid of the Solaris 6 radius in favor of a ubuntu LTS radius.
[00:41] <pwnguin> rhel is only up to 5.4
[00:41] <ign0ramus> pwnguin, thanks, didn't know :)
[00:41] <Lars_G> ign0ramus: No, Red Hat 6.2, before RHEL
[00:42] <Lars_G> this runs kernel 2.2
[00:42] <ign0ramus> lol
[00:42] <Lars_G> ipchains
[00:42] <Lars_G> and apache 1
[00:42] <Lars_G> at least 1.3
[00:42] <XiXaQ> Error editing connection: property '%s' / '%s' invalid: %d NMSettingWireless <-- That's not good. I get that when adding a new wireless network. Can someone please check that?
[00:42] <pwnguin> rh 6.2 is ancient, hence the term "legacy machine"
[00:42] <Lars_G> had to patch and compile that one by hand, but I digress
[00:42] <ign0ramus> Lars_G, O_o
[00:43] <ActionParsnip> braindev: i'd try reburning. close all other apps to reduce issues
[00:43] <Lars_G> I like compiling (and writting) code, but the LAMP stack has always been a shitload to compile
[00:43] <Lars_G> did I ask if there's a ubuntuish manner guide to /home encryption already?
[00:43] <ign0ramus> Lars_G, yeah. http://embraceubuntu.com/2006/01/29/move-home-to-its-own-partition/
[00:43] <Lars_G> ign0ramus: danke
[00:44] <XiXaQ> is anyone here interested in Ubuntu Karmic?
[00:44] <Lars_G> Ah shit, my yakuake is still broken
[00:44]  * Lars_G whines
[00:44] <ign0ramus> Lars_G, it's old, but it's just creating a mountpoint, copying files, etc
[00:44] <thiebaude> XiXaQ, i sure am
[00:44] <Lars_G> XiXaQ: your irony is wasted
[00:44] <ign0ramus> XiXaQ, i use wicd, so i am sorry i cannot help you.
[00:44] <ign0ramus> XiXaQ, i can report that it is working fantasically, though :)
[00:44] <yofel> Xgates: I use kde, and can't test it
[00:44] <XiXaQ> thiebaude: do you agree that the default install of Ubuntu should be able to connect to the internet?
[00:45] <Lars_G> XiXaQ: mine is
[00:45] <braindev> ActionParsnip: i even did a reboot since i know about this. I have downloaded from the following site and have compared the MD5 with the MD5SUMS file ... http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[00:45] <XiXaQ> someone has to have network manager installed?
[00:45] <Xgates> yofel: oh you mean for Synaptic?
[00:45] <test34> xixaq trolling
[00:45] <thiebaude> XiXaQ, i'am not sure
[00:45] <yofel> Xgates: sry, I meant XiXaQ
[00:45] <Xgates> k
[00:45] <yofel> Xgates: X <tab> got me ;)
[00:46] <Xgates> DopeGhot1: did you see the URL I posted on Grub2 for the vga parm?
[00:46] <Xgates> yofel: hehe
[00:47] <XiXaQ> test34: I'm not trolling. I really do think it's important that users can connect to the internet. And the stuff I had to do to connect here, was not particularly easy. Networking seems completely broken from my pov.
[00:47] <DopeGhot1> Xgates: yes, I did, but I haven't had time to read it yet; minor fire to put out at work :)
[00:47] <DopeGhot1> (not literal fire)
[00:47] <Xgates> ahhh wheew I was like fire, ahhhhh
[00:47] <Xgates> :)
[00:48] <ign0ramus> XiXaQ, i actually agree with you, but unfortunately nm has never worked well for me, and so i install wicd on every new version.
[00:48] <test34> XiXaQ, ok, sorry.. I was also saying it for that: "<XiXaQ> is anyone here interested in Ubuntu Karmic?"
[00:48] <Lars_G> ign0ramus: that's just the move which I know how to do, what about the encripting part? I don't want to do this by hand or an extraneous way, since if ubuntu has config/scripts I can hook in I want to use those so I can update efortlessly
[00:48] <XiXaQ> I didn't know that the scripts in /etc/init.d had been deprecated either. It made things even more complicated than they had to be.
[00:48] <Lars_G> XiXaQ: yeah it seems we're using upstart now, I still havent familiarized myself with it either
[00:49] <ActionParsnip> XiXaQ: bum can help you config them
[00:49] <XiXaQ> test34: because everyone was discussing redhat and windows xp. It's frustrating when you're trying to help confirm a bug on ubuntu.
[00:49] <thiebaude> i still get a blank dark screen on startup
[00:49] <ign0ramus> Lars_G, ah, my mistake... i haven't messed with the encyrption options. maybe someone else will be a better resource
[00:49] <XiXaQ> service doesn't work either, so just restarting the network was a pain.
[00:50] <thiebaude> XiXaQ, did you get your karmic updates today?
[00:50] <Lars_G> thiebaude: try to go to console (ctrl-alt-f1) and see if you have video
[00:50] <thiebaude> Lars_G, ok
[00:52] <Lars_G> thiebaude: did it work?
[00:52] <thiebaude> Lars_G, that was a bad trip
[00:52] <Lars_G> ?
[00:53] <scyx> hi, does anyone have experience in how to set up a jaunty and karmic beta dual-boot?
[00:53] <XiXaQ> thiebaude: I downloaded the beta iso today and did a compleyely fresh install. And there haven't been any updates to nm since then.
[00:53] <thiebaude> Lars_G, no it messed up like the old intel rgressions and restarted
[00:53] <Lars_G> hmmm
[00:53] <Lars_G> is it a laptop?
[00:53] <XiXaQ> I'm downloading upgrades as we speak, though, so that might solve some of the other issues.
[00:54] <test34> XiXaQ, there wasnt any updates for me either (fresh beta install also).  Your networking is wifi?
[00:54] <thiebaude> i better check if there are more updates, but as of now 9.10 takes much longer to boot than 9.04
[00:54] <XiXaQ> test34: yes. eth0 works nicely. At least after I configured it manually.
[00:54] <Lars_G> XiXaQ: and does the wireless card show up in an ifconfig -a ?
[00:55] <XiXaQ> thiebaude: really? It was lightning fast here. It rebooted faster than my coffeemaker. :)
[00:55] <XiXaQ> Lars_G: yes, it's working perfectly. It's the dialog that won't let you configure it manually. It "pretends" to have saved the config, but hasn't. If I create a new network, I get the error message i pasted above.
[00:55] <Lars_G> XiXaQ: do you have any kde elements installed?
[00:56] <XiXaQ> Lars_G: no, this is a clean ubuntu install.
[00:56] <Lars_G> if so, you could get and try kde's networkmanager UI to test wether the error is on the UI or the backend
[00:56] <Lars_G> hmmm ok
[00:56] <XiXaQ> seems to be the gui.
[00:56] <braindev> ActionParsnip: K3B wont read the CD on my computer from the very beginning. But it installed fine on my laptop ... WTF? I tried it using my plextor writer as well as my dvd
[00:57] <XiXaQ> Lars_G: I would prefer to confirm it by configuring it without any tools, completely manually, but I don't know how. I think it's stored in gconf /system/networking/connections, but I don't know how to add the other information there.
[00:58] <Lars_G> afaik gconf will only store the GUI's conf
[00:59] <Lars_G> googling
[00:59] <Lars_G> your'e right
[00:59] <Lars_G> it's on gconf
[00:59] <thiebaude> bbl i got more updates, and yay a chrome update of 11mb
[00:59] <Lars_G> thiebaude: I update chrome every few minutes
[00:59] <XiXaQ> Lars_G: I found my network there though. But it's configured for dhcp, and I need to configure it manually.
[00:59] <Xgates> darn when I try to do an update I get an error msg: ---> InstallArchives() failed....
[00:59] <Xgates> so now what?
[00:59] <test34> the mirror I was using didnt have any updates, but this one does.
[00:59] <thiebaude> Lars_G, chrome works perfectly i can what any videos and listen to audio
[01:00] <Lars_G> thiebaude: yep, for me too, I use it as my main browser now
[01:00] <thiebaude> Lars_G, i wish ubuntu would set it as default
[01:01] <thiebaude> Lars_G, how do you get chrome updates every few minutes?
[01:01] <Lars_G> thiebaude: it's ok for us, but it's still too beta for people at larfe
[01:01] <Lars_G> thiebaude: I altered a script and cron-ed it
[01:01] <scyx> thinking about setting up a dualboot with jaunty and karmic beta.. when/before installing karmic, what do i have to consider concerning grub2 etc?
[01:01] <thiebaude> Lars_G, i predict chrome will be final by the year end
[01:02] <Amaranth> chromium is still very much alpha quality (it breaks at least once a week) and doesn't integrate into the desktop well
[01:02] <mbeierl> anyone know why ubuntu-desktop is kept back?
[01:02] <Xgates> anyone got a clue?
[01:03] <Amaranth> mbeierl: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop will tell you
[01:03] <yofel> scyx: I don't have any expirience in dual booting ubuntu but you might want to read the grub2 wiki first
[01:03] <yofel> !grub2 | scyx
[01:03] <Xgates> I saw this online: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=335065
[01:03] <Amaranth> Xgates: not enough information
[01:03] <Lars_G> XiXaQ: Ok you found your connection in system->networking->connections right?
[01:03] <Xgates> Amaranth: huh?
[01:03] <Amaranth> Xgates: Telling us it says "InstallArchives() failed" is worthless, there needs to be more information
[01:04] <Xgates> that's all it tells me
[01:04] <XiXaQ> Lars_G: right. But I don't know how a static configuration is supposed to look like there.
[01:04] <mbeierl> Amaranth: thanks - it decided to do the upgrade.  dist-upgrade kept it back... don't know why
[01:04] <Lars_G> XiXaQ: Yeah I'm trying to see if I have or can create any static 802.11 one to tell you
[01:04] <Amaranth> Xgates: Well then the best we can do is guess
[01:04] <Amaranth> mbeierl: What did it have to do to get ubuntu-desktop upgraded?
[01:05] <Xgates> Package Operation Failed - the installation or removal of a sofware package failed -  InstallArchives() failed....
[01:05] <Xgates> that's it...
[01:05] <mbeierl> Amaranth: remove libgd2-noxpm, add libgd2-xpm
[01:05] <tobi> which X11 version will ubuntu 9.10 have?
[01:05] <Amaranth> mbeierl: weird
[01:05] <Amaranth> tobi: the one it has right now (not 1.7)
[01:05] <Xgates> Amaranth: when it was starting to install the updated I got that msg as a popup
[01:05] <Xgates> updated/updates....
[01:06] <Amaranth> Xgates: Is there a little arrow with "Terminal" next to it on the window?
[01:06] <Lars_G> meh
[01:06] <Amaranth> Or "Show Details" etc
[01:06] <Lars_G> XiXaQ: "NetworkManager has limited support for static IP addressing. Configuration of static IPs is distribution specific and should use that distribution's normal network configuration methods."
[01:06] <mbeierl> Amaranth: weird, yes, but it did clear the hold, so I'm up to date now, thanks for the tip on finding out why
[01:06] <XiXaQ> what the... my gconf was suddenly filled with a lot of new data.
[01:06] <XiXaQ> Lars_G: it's been working perfectly in jaunty though.
[01:06] <Amaranth> Lars_G: That would be /etc/network/interfaces although iirc there is a known bug with networkmanager handling this
[01:07] <Amaranth> Well, known as in the developer just found out yesterday
[01:07] <Lars_G> XiXaQ: I guess that means you're editing /etc/netwokr/interfaces ??
[01:07] <XiXaQ> Lars_G: the only thing I need, is to configure it to use my gateway for internet. But this is probably only a glitch in the dialog.
[01:07] <XiXaQ> Lars_G: not in jaunty, no. Just using nm-applet.
[01:07] <Amaranth> Expect it to work correctly again soon, I guess
[01:07] <Amaranth> A week or so
[01:07] <Lars_G> in jaunty you use the nm-applet ui
[01:07] <Lars_G> but on the backend it's interacting with interfaces
[01:08] <Amaranth> Lars_G, XiXaQ: I'm talking to you guys :)
[01:08] <Lars_G> Amaranth: I see you ;)
[01:08] <XiXaQ> Amaranth: hmm. I wasn't highlighted. :)
[01:08] <Amaranth> Thus the poke. :)
[01:08] <XiXaQ> Amaranth: elaborate please?
[01:09] <XiXaQ> am I still here?
[01:09] <Amaranth> XiXaQ: The developer just discovered this was broken recently
[01:09] <XiXaQ> Amaranth: what was broken?
[01:10] <Amaranth> XiXaQ: So hopefully he'll have a fix for it soon
[01:10] <Amaranth> XiXaQ: Editing static IP and etc data in network manager
[01:10] <Lars_G> XiXaQ: Frying chicken wings
[01:10] <Lars_G> oh shit
[01:10] <Lars_G> I installed karmic on ext4
[01:10] <Amaranth> !ohmy
[01:10] <Lars_G> I bet parted or disk utility can't resize that tet
[01:11] <Lars_G> Amaranth: taken
[01:11] <Xgates> Amaranth: my bad let me run it from the CLI
[01:12] <Amaranth> Xgates: I'm guessing it's openoffice.org-filter-binfilter
[01:12] <XiXaQ> Amaranth: wouldn't happen to know how to configure network managers wireless interfaces manually, would you?
[01:13] <XiXaQ> Amaranth: I'd really like to confirm that it's just a GUI-bug. After all, that'll be easily fixed.
[01:13] <Amaranth> XiXaQ: I'm afraid I forgot all of that once networkmanager started working
[01:13] <Amaranth> XiXaQ: When I need to do it manually I just start reading man pages again
[01:13] <Xgates> hmm
[01:13] <Amaranth> XiXaQ: It's just a GUI bug though
[01:13] <Lars_G> XiXaQ: should be /etc/network/interfaces afaik
[01:14] <XiXaQ> Lars_G: no..?
[01:15] <Xgates> ok I'm forgetting my cmds, hehe what's the CLI cmd for getting updates?
[01:16] <Lars_G> XiXaQ: ip4
[01:16] <Xgates> I just thought it was apt-get updates
[01:16] <Lars_G> XiXaQ: http://live.gnome.org/NetworkManagerConfiguration
[01:16] <yofel> Xgates: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:16] <Xgates> ahhh upgrade
[01:16] <Xgates> LOL
[01:16] <Lars_G> XiXaQ: see connection 1 in that example
[01:16] <Xgates> sheesh
[01:18] <Lars_G> XiXaQ: And thanks, that graph also helps me configure a bluetooth connection which I wasn't able to before
[01:18] <Lars_G> I wonder if there's a cli gconf editor
[01:18] <nzmm_> do the totem youtube or bbc plugins work for anyone?
[01:19] <yofel> Lars_G: well, there's gconftool if you want to change something from cli or gconf-editor if you want a gui
[01:19] <Lars_G> Hmm seems gconftool is it
[01:19] <Lars_G> but I wanted a ncurses one :)
[01:20] <Lars_G> yofel: yeah, saw that. thanks
[01:20] <yofel> Lars_G: don't be greedy :P
[01:20] <Lars_G> lol
[01:20] <Lars_G> Dude, I'm considering moving from kontact to alpine
[01:20] <Lars_G> I'm... into my odd phase
[01:24] <arthurjohnson> Lars_G: alpine rules.  I've used pine since '94, switched to Alpine when it was released.
[01:25] <arthurjohnson> Lars_G: I use it with my gmail account
[01:25] <Xgates> Amaranth: well it's running from the CLI ok, so something on the GUI level is mucking with it...
[01:30] <XiXaQ> Lars_G: hehe, you're welcome. But unfortunately for me, that doesn't look anything like what I have.
[01:31] <Xgates> hmm the fs got mucked up for me after my first update, anyone else? It had me run fsck to fix it
[01:31] <Xgates> hmmm
[01:32] <Lars_G> XiXaQ: yes but you could make it.... you should have that structure, I have it on my gconf
[01:32] <Lars_G> system->networking->connections->#id->[etc]
[01:32] <Xgates> well back to my first issue after the grub menu and Karmic starts loading I get the console for a few seconds spitting out it stuff then I get the Ubuntu logo, how can I get it to go straight from Grub to the Logo, instead of getting the console then the logo?
[01:33] <XiXaQ> Lars_G: how do I create the ipv4 folder?
[01:34] <Xgates> I gave it GRUB_GFXMODE= and changed the resolution all that did was change the size of the Grub menu...
[01:34] <XiXaQ> Lars_G: I tried to add a folder "ipv4" to $HOME/.gconf/system/networking/1/ipv4 and add a %gconf.xml to it, but that did nothing.
[01:34] <XiXaQ> Lars_G: uh.. I had a /connection/ between networking and 1
[01:35] <XiXaQ> bah. connections even.
[01:35] <Lars_G> I can't find how on the gconf-editor
[01:36] <XiXaQ> Lars_G: neither could I, which is why I tried to add it directly to the filesystem.
[01:36] <XiXaQ> Lars_G: but that didn't work either.
[01:36] <Lars_G> yeah
[01:37] <Lars_G> sorry my gconf doesn't go that far
[01:38] <maxb> Hrm. Has anyone else noticed that karmic doesn't seem to display progress for boot-time fscks any more?
[01:38] <Xgates> I can't be the only one, what after everyone boots from the Grub menu everyone is going straight to the boot logo without getting some load up info in the console?
[01:38] <XiXaQ> Lars_G: it's ok. Since it's actually working for me now, I guess I can wait for an update to nm-applet and see if that fixes it. But I can't understand how karmic could be released as beta with this bug. You'd think someone would have tested these basic things first.
[01:39] <wastrel> is anyone running koala?
[01:39] <XiXaQ> but I just installed a lot of updates, so I need to reboot. brb
[01:39] <yofel> wastrel: that question is pointless in this channel
[01:42] <Lars_G> that's the definition of a beta
[01:42] <Lars_G> wathever
[01:43] <XDevHald> Are all the upgrades that have gone through the upstream been considered as an upgrade to Beta>
[01:43] <maxb> XDevHald: I don't understand what you're trying to ask.
[01:43] <XDevHald> Neither am I.
[01:44] <XDevHald> The upstream has been pushing the downloaded repos to update manager, are they considered as upgrades?
[01:44] <n00bcr> Hi, just upgrape to 9.10 and when booting it crash, Im not that expert at linux to figure this out... undefined symbol: udev_monitor_filter_add_match_subsystem_devt ...
[01:45] <n00bcr> where can I start, not much info on Google..
[01:46] <Elone> !media
[01:47] <darthanubis> anyone using lifrea and find it to be segfaulting outof the blue?
[01:50] <darthanubis> ok ...the power went  out and now liferea starts but upon trying to reload feeds, segfaults
[01:57] <n00bcr> where can I find help about 9.10 upgrade and then boot crash (mountall: symbol lookup error) ?
[01:57] <feat> :D
[01:58] <feat> 2 days 14 hrs XD
[02:02] <feat> :)
[02:07] <len> I noticed that flash doesn't work in fullscreen under firefox in the beta, nor does the pause/play button work.  Is this a known issue?
[02:10] <darthanubis> db liferea 2>&1 | tee ~/gdb-<liferea>.txt
[02:10] <darthanubis> bash: liferea: No such file or directory
[02:10] <darthanubis> Trying to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace
[02:10] <darthanubis> but getting that bash error
[02:11] <feat> :O
[02:11] <darthanubis> I hate being dependent for help :/
[02:12] <feat> jajajaj
[02:12] <feat> google   it
[02:12] <feat> xd
[02:12] <feat> xD
[02:12] <darthanubis> I always do that first
[02:13] <feat> ok
[02:13] <feat> 2 hrs for 9.10
[02:13] <feat> XD
[02:15] <Lars_G> ....
[02:17] <test34> which hi-def webcam would you recommend?
[02:19] <feat> haber que tal jala el beta en mi netboo
[02:19] <feat> netbook
[02:20] <Lars_G> a ver
[02:20] <Lars_G> not haber
[02:21] <test34> #ubuntu.cn
[02:21] <Lars_G> test34: you're right in part, isn't that the chinesse room?
[02:22] <test34> Lars_G, yes it does sound like Chinese (but I know it's not)
[02:22] <Lars_G> anyhow you should've directed him to the -es channel
[02:23] <test34> ok
[02:23] <iceroot> anyone running karmic with vbox 3.06 succesfully?
[02:23] <roffe> I'm having a problem with chrome browser where I have to click an endless amount of time before a youtube-video starts, is it the same for you?
[02:24] <albert23> darthanubis: leave the < and > out of the filename. They have special meaning for bash.
[02:24] <Lars_G> arrrrghhhh!!!!!
[02:24] <albert23> so use gdb liferea 2>&1 | tee ~/gdb-liferea.txt
[02:24] <test34> roffe, endless is 3-6 times? I had this problem with firefox too (maybe it's a flash problem?)
[02:25] <test34> roffe, are you using 64bits?
[02:25] <roffe> test34, endless would be about 10 times. Yes, I'm running 64 bits
[02:26] <test34> roffe, I think I experienced the same problem and I don't use chrome
[02:26] <unlink> Hi, anyone good with a boot of death troubleshooting? A vostro which previously behaved badly with ACPI, now boot of death post 9.10 update...
[02:26] <test34> but I do use 64bits ubuntu
[02:26] <Umeaboy> Hi!
[02:26] <test34> roffe, Is it only when it's embedded ?
[02:27] <Umeaboy> Is there a way to find a certain error in the comouter by search for a string?
[02:27] <roffe> test34, I  just tried it on ff, and it worked flawless
[02:27] <Umeaboy> In the boot-sequence I see that vbox has errors.
[02:27] <roffe> test34, no, on every youtube video
[02:27] <Umeaboy> It should be displayed in dmesg, but I don't see it.
[02:27] <Umeaboy> I may be blind.
[02:28] <test34> roffe, did you install the latest updates?
[02:29] <test34> Umeaboy, dmesg | grep string ?
[02:29] <roffe> test34, yes, and I actually think it worked a tad better, however it's still pretty much crap
[02:29] <test34> Umeaboy, where string is case sensitive I think
[02:30] <test34> roffe, I will try to install chrome
[02:31] <unlink> bye
[02:32] <Umeaboy> test34: No result.
[02:32] <Umeaboy> I wrote  dmesg | grep vbox
[02:33] <mercutio22> yes! the new UNR interface is very polished
[02:33] <mercutio22> amazing
[02:36] <manshoon> I cant seem to get my dvd player to work, I get errors in all media player like : "VLC is unable to open the MRL 'dvd:///dev/sr0'
[02:37] <test34> roffe, the latest version works fine here (only one click to play)
[02:37] <test34> Umeaboy, you could try to look at the log files in /var/log
[02:37] <Umeaboy> This is weird. I got instructions during the boot to take a look in dmesg why there's a problem with vbox.
[02:37] <Umeaboy> Nothing.......
[02:38] <roffe> test34, thanks for trying, but damn it annoys me :/ I was pretty sure you'd encounter the same issues..
[02:38] <Umeaboy> manshoon: And you've installed all the necessary codecs?
[02:38] <test34> roffe, but I had a similar problem earlier with firefox.. do you have the latest flash vesion ?
[02:38] <manshoon> well I installed css using the script
[02:39] <test34> I have <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:40] <DKcross> hello people
[02:40] <Umeaboy> roffe: Tried installing Gnash?
[02:40] <DKcross> any have idea about problem "bar 06" device not found
[02:40] <DKcross> when ubuntu is starting
[02:40] <roffe> test34, yeah, I've got the same version :/
[02:41] <roffe> Umeaboy, no, but i have ion mind I didn't like gnash. Does it support 64-bit?
[02:41] <manshoon> all of them complain
[02:43] <DanaG> I also get the same BAR thingamajigger.
[02:43] <manshoon> what else is there besides libdvdread4 and libdvdcss?
[02:46] <DKcross> hello... any know about the bug "bar 06" device not fund
[02:47] <DKcross>  pci 0000:01:00.0: BAR 6: no parent found for of device [0xfffe0000-0xffffffff]
[02:47] <DKcross> like this
[02:48] <test34> if you send a crash report using the automated process (apport-bug) but don't fill the web form, does the bug still get reported?
[02:53] <test34> I'm guessing yes, but sometimes I don't have time or don't know how to describe the bug so I don't complete the process
[02:56] <Umeaboy> roffe: I've you have issues with Gnash, file a report & it'll get solved.
[02:56] <Umeaboy> At least if you compare to filing a report for Adobe's Flash.
[02:57] <manshoon_> does hulu work for anyone here in konq?
[02:58] <manshoon_> it wont stream any content for me either
[03:00] <test34> manshoon, konqeror is really usable for web browsing?
[03:01] <thiebaude> ubuntu 9.10 i have to say is just incredible
[03:03] <manshoon_> well konqueror seems for the first time usable to me. I like it, but flash is just not working. I installed the adobe nonfree flash, but still in konq it says its using the netscape flashplayer-alternative
[03:03] <manshoon_> which makes me think its not using the same flash as firefox
[03:04] <thiebaude> i did the upgrade from 9.04
[03:05] <roffe> test34, just to let you know, I found others having the bug, and it appears to be due to compiz, since it's working fine under metacity
[03:06] <thiebaude> roffe, i didn't know there was a bug in compiz, because im using full desktop effects
[03:07] <thiebaude> hi alan
[03:08] <bullgard4> "New features since Ubuntu 9.04; These features are showcased for your attention. Please test them and report any bugs you find:;  * http://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs" -- What does mean "to showcast" here?
[03:08] <roffe> thiebaude, my fault. it's probably not a bug in compiz, but in chrome under compiz
[03:08] <test34> roffe, you got the bug link?
[03:09] <roffe> test34, http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=20654&q=youtube&colspec=ID%20Stars%20Pri%20Area%20Type%20Status%20Summary%20Modified%20Owner%20Mstone
[03:11] <test34> thanks roffe
[03:17] <boghog> hi there, I want to help testing 9.10, but I was wondering; if I install the beta now, and the final is released eventually, will my beta installation just be upgraded to that through the package manager or is that more involved?
[03:18] <roffe> boghog, should be as simple as that
[03:19] <boghog> cool
[03:20] <test34> boghog, should be as simple as that like roffe said but there is always that 1%
[03:20] <roffe> boghog, but you need to run update-manager -d
[03:26] <bob_> im trying to install package using kpackage and everytime i try it it says you dont have privilages? there is no prompt to enter a password to run as root??
[03:32] <test34> bob_, sudo ?
[03:46] <blueglasses> armagetronad.real keeps running after app shutdown
[03:46] <blueglasses> any clues?
[03:47] <blueglasses> need to close process by hand
[03:47] <Umeaboy> Is it possible to downgrade Ubuntu?
[03:47] <Umeaboy> To do the opposite as upgrade.
[03:48] <alokito> restart and shutdown options are gone from kde after I installed ubuntu-desktop
[03:49] <alokito> any fix? I want to use gdm, not kdm
[03:51] <test34> alokito, tried ubuntu? not kubuntu?
[03:51] <alokito> test34, they are fine in ubuntu
[03:52] <alokito> test34, I installed ubuntu-desktop on kubuntu installation
[03:53] <test34> just curious: what does gdm have that kdm doesn't have?
[03:55] <alokito> test34, karmic gdm has a nice splash screen, kdm doesn't
[04:02] <sebsebseb> alokito: Did you get GDM working?
[04:03] <sebsebseb> Umeaboy: I am replying to a little while ago now, maybe your still here
[04:03] <sebsebseb> !downgrade |  Umeaboy
[04:03] <alokito> sebsebseb, I have no problem with gdm, the only problem is the restart and shutdown options are missing from kde4 kickofflauncher and anywhere else
[04:03] <sebsebseb> Umeaboy: Why do you want to do that?  also  you  can  do a clean install of 9.04
[04:04] <sebsebseb> alokito: ok well  I don't even like KDE4 as a GUI to differnet to KDE 3,  some  KDE apps in Gnome though :)
[04:06] <crashsystems> Is anyone aware of an Xorg bug in Beta that would cause Xorg to take up 100% CPU on an Intel GPU, and not allow compiz to run?
[04:08] <maccam941> is it just me, or is http://packages.ubuntu.com down?
[04:09] <Umeaboy> sebsebseb: On reason.............the mirrors for 9.10 isn't functioning properly.
[04:09] <Umeaboy> One
[04:09] <sebsebseb> !slow |  Umeaboy
[04:09] <Umeaboy> Okej.
[04:09] <Umeaboy> Sorry.
[04:10] <tyson_> has anyone had any trouble with nvidia-settings being unable to parse the existing xorg.conf?
[04:11] <sebsebseb> Umeaboy: np
[04:11] <Umeaboy> When will the release become finished?
[04:11] <sebsebseb> Umeaboy: 29th October
[04:12] <sebsebseb> Umeaboy:  Have you got Ext4 now?  Or did you do a 9.04  Ext3 to 9.04 beta upgrade, and so don't have it?
[04:12] <sebsebseb> uh
[04:12] <sebsebseb> 9.04 Ext3 to  9.10 Beta above
[04:14] <IdleOne> 7 hours to download with torrent :(
[04:14] <IdleOne> that is sad we need more peers and stop limiting upload speed people
[04:14] <musikgoat> ouch IdleOne, how many seeders?
[04:14] <tyson_> has anyone had any trouble with nvidia-settings being unable to parse the existing xorg.conf?
[04:15] <IdleOne> musikgoat: 73 at the momment
[04:15] <musikgoat> IdleOne: i bet it will pick up, do you have incoming connections (e.g. port forwarding)
[04:15] <sebsebseb> IdleOne: hmm even your doing the beta interesting,   altough weren't you one that also stayed on Hardy for  stability reasons?
[04:16] <IdleOne> sebsebseb: I have always ran beta. since 6.04
[04:16] <sebsebseb> IdleOne: oh
[04:16] <IdleOne> only thing is that with karmic I could not get past login screen with the alpha's
[04:16] <IdleOne> hoping beta works a little better
[04:17] <IdleOne> musikgoat: port forwarding to?
[04:17] <musikgoat> to your torrent client
[04:17] <IdleOne> no
[04:17] <Umeaboy> sebsebseb: My slot to the CDplayer won't eject.
[04:18] <IdleOne> Umeaboy: type eject
[04:18] <IdleOne> in terminal
[04:18] <musikgoat> IdleOne: it will let others connect to you to upload data, i.e. makes more connections and quicker torrents
[04:18] <IdleOne> musikgoat: what port do I need to forward?
[04:18] <musikgoat> IdleOne: depends on your client, check you clients preferences for that info
[04:18] <sebsebseb> Karmic has been  pretty good for me since alpha 4,   chkdsk issue was annoying, but went :)   ufw got disabled hmm,  but I sorted that out.   Something minor on boot up messagewise.   Well I didn't lose sound like when I was testing jauntey.
[04:19] <IdleOne> Transmission
[04:19] <Umeaboy> IdleOne: That didn't work.
[04:19] <Umeaboy> I'll reboot.
[04:19] <IdleOne> rebooting always works in windows :)
[04:20] <sebsebseb> IdleOne: it's kind of funny,  how loads  get the beta  that haven't done alphas,   beause they can't wait untill the final or whatever.
[04:20] <IdleOne> heh
[04:20] <sebsebseb> IdleOne: was the heh at what you put?
[04:20] <IdleOne> yes
[04:21] <sebsebseb> yes thought so since the messages appeard at like the same time
[04:21] <IdleOne> I wonder if all these new beta testers helps or hinders with bug reporting
[04:21] <sebsebseb> IdleOne: it's ashame that  the repos use the same servers or whatever, for all the releases,  making things slower for the other releases as well
[04:22] <musikgoat> thats why local mirrors rock
[04:22] <musikgoat> you just have to find the good ones!
[04:22] <sebsebseb> IdleOne: I guess most people that try  alpha/beta of  whatever the next version of Ubuntu is at the time, don't report bugs
[04:22] <IdleOne> in a few days it will settle down and the repos will be back to normal
[04:22] <musikgoat> for me its u of minn
[04:22] <sebsebseb> musikgoat:  yeah
[04:22] <sebsebseb> IdleOne: yep
[04:23] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: u of minn does not make sense
[04:24] <maccam94> ubuntu.media.mit.edu++
[04:24] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: i think there still is a good percentage that do... and it has to help, but that would be a good case study that canonical should put out (if they haven't already) "how crowdsourcing software testing helps development cycles"
[04:24] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: crowdsourcing???
[04:24] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: i'm in chicago, and i pull quickest downloads from mirror.cs.umn.edu
[04:25] <musikgoat> sure, putting betas out for people to download and report bugs, instead of having internal employees test
[04:25] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: its like outsourcing, but to the masses
[04:26] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: even MS realized the benefits, which came MSDN and then even public betas with win 7
[04:26] <IdleOne> ok port is forwarded. do I need to restart transmission?
[04:26] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: yes I  was just typing something like that,  that even Microsoft  did something like that with Windows 7
[04:26] <musikgoat> IdleOne: yes
[04:27] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: Thing is though if Microsoft were like an opensource company their  beta would have been the alpha,  and the release candidate would have been the beta,  I guess
[04:27] <vinoman> enjoying 9.10 beta. have noticed that the mouse does not wake up the desktop out of screensaver mode. I have to hit any key.
[04:27] <musikgoat> IdleOne: have you forwarded ports before, sometimes routers are tricky... i've suggested portforward.com to others who are unfamiliar
[04:27] <IdleOne> musikgoat: yeah got it. 1h 40 min now
[04:27] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: much more testing done with most/all opensource/freesoftware before final releases, where as with most/all  commercial software  final releases are rushed out pretty quickly really
[04:28] <IdleOne> thanks for the suggestion
[04:28] <musikgoat> IdleOne: nice!
[04:28] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: hmm, well I would just separate the open source from the open testing... an open source company doesn't have to source development builds
[04:28] <IdleOne> musikgoat: 15 minutes would of been a lot nicer :) but beggars can't be choosers hehe
[04:29] <musikgoat> but its dumb not to let out betas for testing... its useful to get a gamut of environments
[04:29] <IdleOne> think I'll seed for a few days also
[04:30] <musikgoat> IdleOne: it could speed up as more connections are established
[04:31] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: yep  letting out test releases is good, thing is with Ubuntu,  some people that shoudn't really be testing it end up with  development versions of Ubuntu,  because of people mentioning it in the main Ubuntu channel
[04:32] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: yeah, i agree that there are repercussions but does the good outweigh the bad?
[04:33] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: there was even a guy in there earlier,  who  it seems  thought loads of  Ubuntu users should  get Karmic now, because it's beta, and so more stable
[04:33] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: ,but then when I said stuff about Ext4, he didn't seem to really know what I was on about or something
[04:33] <vinoman> has anyone else notice that your mouse doesn't work after the screensaver starts?
[04:34] <musikgoat> I think that the fact that the installer makes it clear about what you are getting yourself into,  they are trying to let people know
[04:34] <musikgoat> vinoman: its a bug with gl based screensavers, its been around since jaunty unfortunately
[04:35] <musikgoat> vinoman: let me see if i can find the bug, i've subscribed to it
[04:35] <vinoman> I haven't noticed it before, it doesn't effect jaunty on my laptop
[04:35] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: and even beta,  means something could maybe happen, giving people a reason to clean install,  but  a lot of people don't reolize this
[04:36] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: yeah, true
[04:36] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: do you propose that the alphas/betas be restricted in some way?
[04:37] <vinoman> maybe I'll try another screensaver.
[04:37] <musikgoat> bug 273142
[04:37] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: Why do you ask that, your a developer?
[04:37] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: oh no
[04:37] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: just conversing
[04:38] <sebsebseb> let's see if it works here
[04:38] <sebsebseb> !karmic
[04:38] <sebsebseb> oh it does
[04:38] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: right well that factoid
[04:38] <vinoman> thanks
[04:38] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: the guy  I was on about earlier,  was suggesting in the main Ubuntu channel,  that  the  bit about Karmic  breaking should be removed now, because it's beta
[04:38] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: i work for a software company and we beta stuff to some customers, and have had that dialog,  does it hurt the company's rep when the software breaks?
[04:38] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: thinking it's more stable as a result, so it won't brake
[04:39] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: lolz
[04:39] <mercutio22> I used to be able to scroll down pages by using two fingers in my toouchpad
[04:39] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: basicalley yeah, and thinking it's a scary mesage to be telling users that want Karmic or whatever
[04:40] <mercutio22> this feature is gone now.
[04:40] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: If I remember correctly,  he didn't like how  karmic development and stable  Ubuntu release support,  were seperate even
[04:40] <musikgoat> mercutio22: its not the default anymore, but its editable in your mouse settings.
[04:40] <musikgoat> mercutio22: i have an eee and lost that ability too ;)
[04:41] <mercutio22> musikgoat: so thats on purpose? that was very useful
[04:41] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: that's good to keep them seperate,   and maybe there should be a little more warning about things braking in a development version,  but I guess it's fine realy how it is now
[04:41] <mercutio22> musikgoat: how do you get it back?
[04:41] <musikgoat> mercutio22: i don't know if it was on purpose
[04:41] <mercutio22> musikgoat: maybe we should file a bug
[04:41] <musikgoat> go to preferences -> mouse
[04:42] <musikgoat> mercutio22: its a preference now, so you have the ability to set the option
[04:42] <musikgoat> In my opinion its not really a bug, but thats just me
[04:43] <mercutio22> musikgoat: I see, but it would be nice if it was enabled by default
[04:43] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: Don't know about you, but  well  stable Ubuntu gets boring for me after a while really,  so it's nice to be able to test the next one.  Plus as someone that has used since the second release, I should be doing that really.
[04:43] <musikgoat> mercutio22: sure, but what about the people that like the scroll on the right columm?
[04:44] <musikgoat> mercutio22: thats why we have "preferences" ;)
[04:44] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: I concur, I don't know how the debian folks do it... I like new stuff!!
[04:45] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: same here,  which is one reason I don't run Debian,  well could do testing I suppouse hmm, but stable is well behind
[04:45] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: no Ext4 support yet even as far as I know
[04:45] <mercutio22> musikgoat: I see your point, I thought I would have both methods simultaneously
[04:45] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: but even testing is like ubuntu stable
[04:45] <musikgoat> mercutio22: hmm, thats a good idea
[04:45] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: apparantly Ubuntu stable is based on testing
[04:45] <sebsebseb> or something like that
[04:47] <mercutio22> musikgoat: well, its good as it is
[04:47] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: right, i don't remember the exact relationship either, but iirc ubuntu is downstream of debian testing
[04:47] <musikgoat> mercutio22: cool!
[04:47] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: What does iirc mean again?
[04:47] <musikgoat> if I remember correctly
[04:48]  * sebsebseb wonders if he ever knew what it meant,  he/I guesses/guess so
[04:48] <musikgoat> so patches that get pushed into debian testing will then be pushed to ubuntu stable
[04:50] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: If I am correct Ubuntu is basically always a bit more cutting edge then Debian,  which  I guess might be why  some people say Ubuntu is never stable.
[04:50] <musikgoat> hmm...
[04:51] <DanaG> Hmm, something that fails in the new preferences:
[04:51] <DanaG> You can't have BOTH methods of scrolling at the same time.
[04:53] <wastrel> DanaG: it's annoying yes!
[04:53] <musikgoat> DanaG: that is what mercutio22 suggested, doesn't seem to be an option :-/
[04:54] <wastrel> DanaG: install gpointing-device-settings  that will let you configure both
[04:54] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: As Ubuntu prepares for release, we "freeze" a snapshot of Debian's development archive. We start from the development version in order to give ourselves the freedom to make our own decisions with regard to release management, independent of Debian's release-in-preparation. This is necessary because our release criteria are very different from Debian's.
[04:54] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: from http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/Debian
[04:54] <DanaG> watch out if you use gpointing-device-settings.... gnome-settings-daemon will fight over the settings with it.
[04:55] <DanaG> They'll both repeatedly try to apply their own settings.
[04:55] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: Yes I was thinking you copied that in from a website
[04:55] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: :)
[04:55] <DanaG> So you'll find one scrolling method will be enabled, disabled, enabled, disabled, enabled, disabled, enabled, disabled, enabled, disabled, enabled, disabled, enabled, disabled, enabled, disabled, enabled, disabled,
[04:55] <DanaG> ... you get the point.
[04:55] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: Yes I heard something like that before as well, that the Ubuntu repos are based on Debian
[04:56] <tj83> desktop share photo. http://imagebin.ca/view/8QkCJw0.html karmic is looking good
[04:56] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: and I was thinking about if  I knew what irrc  actsauly meant or not hmm heh
[04:56] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: so a release (stable) would be more cutting edge than debian stable, but not really much off from debian testing around that time
[04:57] <musikgoat> pretty tj83
[04:57] <tj83> ty
[04:58] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: above hmm = thinking   heh = fake laughter.   Anything else, or is it time for me to go away from my computer for a bit?
[04:58] <tj83> Internet relay chat
[04:59] <musikgoat> lol ?
[04:59] <musikgoat> heh
[04:59] <sebsebseb> tj83: IRC yes, but irrc no that's  if  I  remember correctly
[04:59] <musikgoat> s/wrong/right
[04:59] <sebsebseb> tj83: uh  iirc I meant
[04:59] <tj83> my fault,
[05:00] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: are you asking about common acronyms?
[05:00]  * tj83 is curious what iirc is
[05:00] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: I was a bit,  and thanks for the  Debian/Ubuntu stuff by the way
[05:01] <sebsebseb> tj83: as I already  said :)    if  I remember correctly
[05:01] <musikgoat> sure, you obviously know though... hopefully the beta testing goes well for you,  btw,  you should hit up your LoCo if there is one for Bug Day this weekend
[05:01] <tj83> gees
[05:01] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: loco as in in person stuff or?
[05:02]  * tj83 googled and got his answer... wow, time for sleep
[05:02] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: I haven't  done  Linux User Groups in person or stuff like that
[05:02] <musikgoat> !loco
[05:02] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: I might be running a cross between alpha6 and beta now I don't know
[05:03] <mikedep333> hey, am I supposed to report duplicate bugs using the automated crash handler in karmic?
[05:04] <musikgoat> mikedep333: if the bug is reported, then you shouldn't re-report it, just click "me too"
[05:04] <mikedep333> ok, thanks
[05:04] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: if your interested: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam
[05:04] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: I have been on that before
[05:05] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: bug reporting means logging into my old luanchpad account and uh,  so nah,  plus the issues I have had,  with Karmic, are probably standard ones anyway, that loads of others have had as well
[05:06] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: ok
[05:07] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: thanks though I guess
[05:07] <musikgoat> sure thing
[05:07] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: hmm  can I get into my old luanchpad account still,  it's been  quite a long while
[05:08] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: :P don't ask me, but I don't think the admins tend to prune old accounts often
[05:09] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: I was able to merge an old account with my current one a year or so ago
[05:09] <musikgoat> and that account was a couple years old
[05:09] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: I was thinking if I can  get hold of the username and password still or whatever
[05:09] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: or reset password
[05:09] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: the username is an email address, so that tends to be easy
[05:10] <musikgoat> and launchpad is much cleaner yay!
[05:10] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: I have a feeling it might be one in that case though,  that I no longer have access to.   Plus I was thinking email  password reminders.  Hmm at  unessarey highlights oh well,  and luanchpad is now open source.
[05:13] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: nice, i didn't hear about that, good news!
[05:13] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: indeed
[05:14] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: I think it's been a while now with it being open source, but not that long.
[05:14] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: well yes it's been a while
[05:14] <musikgoat> i was just reading, since july, not that long
[05:16] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: ok
[05:24]  * DanaG slaps the Gnome devs for ignoring the possibility of "both" on scrolling.
[05:24] <akio> ?
[05:25] <akio> two finge?
[05:25] <akio> finger*
[05:26] <akio> DanaG, what are you talking about?
[05:26] <DanaG> Look at the touchpad settings.
[05:26] <DanaG> "None".
[05:26] <DanaG> "Two Finger".
[05:26] <DanaG> "Edge".
[05:27] <DanaG> ... okay, isn't something missing there?
[05:27] <akio> both?
[05:27] <akio> not really
[05:27] <DanaG> yeah.
[05:27] <akio> I wouldn't think to have both
[05:27] <akio> that seems like overkill
[05:27] <DanaG> Well, but it should at least be POSSIBLE, right?
[05:28] <akio> i figure if you have the ability to do both you wouldn't car4 about edge scrolling
[05:28] <akio> i mean two finger scrolling
[05:28] <DanaG> Otherwise, it's like those people who review hardware and never even think to try Linux.... or like Phoronix testing SSDs but not testing boot time.
[05:28] <akio> (im a bit drunk)
[05:28] <DanaG> I like having the flexibility to do both -- and I could in the past.
[05:29] <DanaG> Like, the new Wacom Bamboo multitouch tablet.... not a single person has yet reviewed one with Linux.
[05:29] <akio> I don't think mine supports two finger scrolling, but I wish it did
[05:29] <akio> nope, but those are awesome
[05:30] <DanaG> Do you have one?
[05:30] <DanaG> Oh yeah, my touchpad only can do "fake" multifinger.
[05:30] <DanaG> My old laptop did real multi-finger.
[05:30] <akio> i used to go to school with some graphic artists
[05:30] <hnsr> wow, lots of weirdness when I (try to) reboot after installation completes on my laptop with intel graphics, seems to be stuck in some permanent loop where it kills gdm, switches to vt, starts gdm or X again (i get to see the background at least), over and over
[05:30] <DanaG> The multitouch one is very new... like a couple of months old.
[05:30] <DanaG> Boo on Synaptics for actively crippling new products, and making them inferior to old ones.
[05:31] <akio> i only saw the bamboo, didn't know there was a new one
[05:31] <hnsr> hmm, it's endlessly respawning gdm it seems
[05:32] <hnsr> DanaG, the multitouch tablets arent supported yet by linuxwacom i read on the wacom ML, I think you can get some initial support by adding the pci id, but only the pen will work
[05:33] <DanaG> Hmm, it's not a standard HID device? Bummer.
[05:33] <DanaG> I really really really want somebody to make something just like the Fingerworks boards that Apple bought out and killed, oh so many years ago.
[05:33] <legend2440> i was wondering why my /boot/grub folder is full of  mod files with an audio icon
[05:33] <hnsr> well it might be actually, I'm not really sure how wacom tablet are supported on linux, but the dev said there's some work in volved in making the miltutouch work
[05:34] <hnsr> anyone know how one could escape from this gdm-respawning loop
[05:35] <DanaG> hmm, how about single-touch? Or multi-touch as in like a touchpad, with mere two-finger-scroll and not much else?
[05:35] <hnsr> i'm not sure if I'll fubar my installation if I forcibly shutdown my laptop now :/
[05:36] <hnsr> sounds like no touch at all for now: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=167e8a330910021409n67417f81i4cd13f0a0af4bd5c%40mail.gmail.com&forum_name=linuxwacom-devel
[05:46] <Moc> is it normal I can't install software from the ubuntu software center in 9.10 beta ? There is no install buttons
[05:46] <idyle> Hi, I just did an upgrade and I have some unmet depends => libc6, libc6-dev, libc6-i386 -- should I just do upgrade -f (force)? or will this break stuff?
[05:47] <legend2440> is it normal for /boot/grub folder to be full of mod files?
[05:47] <sebsebseb> Moc: oh it's not the  repo is slow issue
[05:47] <musikgoat> idyle: you could try a dist-upgrade
[05:47] <musikgoat> legend2440: yes
[05:47] <idyle> musikgoat: I'm already on karmic
[05:47] <musikgoat> its because you now have grub2
[05:47] <Moc> I hope the user login screen will be updated before release, the default one is alittle boring
[05:47] <legend2440> musikgoat: ok thanks
[05:48] <sebsebseb> Moc: yeah brown and uh
[05:48] <musikgoat> legend2440: also, keep in mind that you don't edit /boot/grub/menu.lst anymore, just in case you were looking for it
[05:48] <sebsebseb> Moc: well there's the new boot up and shut down theme
[05:48] <Moc> Im talking about the square box with your name in it
[05:48] <sebsebseb> Moc: that's the new GDM
[05:48] <legend2440> musikgoat: ok thanks
[05:48] <sebsebseb> Moc: Do you see a background on it?
[05:49] <Moc> sebsebseb: to the full screen yes, but not in the white box
[05:49] <Moc> It really make the login screen ugly compare to 9.04
[05:49] <sebsebseb> Moc: yeah I am wondering about themeing the new GDM personalley,  and I have been testing  Karmic since alpha4, and it seems I can't  theme the new GDM or something hmm
[05:50] <sebsebseb> I want the nice blubuntu theme from the repo for the new GDM as well
[05:50] <sebsebseb> Moc: ,but when I looked around for  themeing GDM,  not sure where the settings are
[05:50] <legend2440> i backed up karmic with clonezilla after i got it setup the way i wanted. then to test the img file i restored it. after that Grub2 would not load. i tried the grub2 restore instructions but they didnt work. what is a reliable way to backup karmic?
[05:51] <sebsebseb> Moc: the new GDM is actsaully one reason  why  I might not upgrade the other computer any time soon,  well unless I can theme it hmm
[05:51] <Moc> I try to stay what the os give me... So I do home there something that look alittle better for release
[05:51] <sebsebseb> other computer it won't upgrade  to anything, but finals
[05:51] <sebsebseb> yes same here,  I  stay with what the OS gave me, or do only rather basic customizing
[05:52] <sebsebseb> I like good defaults as well,  I am not so sure about 9.10 by what I have seen
[05:52] <sebsebseb> when it comes to eye candy
[05:52] <Moc> I just mounted an 46" monitor in my room, and I couldn't get high rez with my old dell d610, upgraded to 9.10 and it looking good, it weird how the open source ati driver came along
[05:53] <Moc> I find the Mail/IM icons too pale
[05:53] <musikgoat> legend2440: tar?
[05:53] <Moc> volume and batt are too pale also
[05:54] <legend2440> musikgoat: ok will look into tar. thanks
[05:54] <sebsebseb> Moc: ok just gave the  Ubuntu Software  Centre (yes the British spelling is the proper way :) )  another try, because of you
[05:54] <sebsebseb> Moc: indeed would be nice if there was an install button for an app that you want to install
[05:54] <sebsebseb> ,but no there isn't, but you can do file and then install
[05:54] <musikgoat> legend2440: :)  let me point you to some suggestions https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem/TAR
[05:54] <Moc> it gray out
[05:55] <legend2440> musikgoat: thanks
[05:56] <Moc> It say, not available in current data
[05:56] <hnsr> against what application should I file a bug for a missing icon theme? some themes depend on the 'Human' icon theme, but this theme is installed so it gives a warning and some icons are missing from various menus
[05:56] <hnsr> s/is installed/is not installed/
[05:57] <sebsebseb> Moc: The name of the program is also spelt the American way center,  when really the correct spelling is Centre :)  Used to be called Ubuntu App Store.  Store isn't British English either Shop would be, but  Store is better than Center :)
[05:57] <sebsebseb> Moc: Shame about the name, nice little program though, not really needed though,  Synaptic or add/remove or good enough really
[05:57] <sebsebseb> and  installing stuff with commands :)
[05:58] <sebsebseb> Moc: maybe you got a bug with it
[05:58] <Moc> yes am about to apt-get my stuff
[05:59] <maccam941> sebsebseb: well sotware center will replace add/remove
[06:00] <maccam941> and probably synaptic some day
[06:00] <sebsebseb> maccam941: and hopefuly be spelt  the British way centre :)   by default, but no  the American way hmm,  well  in that case I hope for those with  British English that they get the name with Centre in the menu and the program itself hmm
[06:01] <maccam941> sebsebseb: there's a reason they have translation teams
[06:01] <sebsebseb> maccam941: yep
[06:01] <maccam941> and multiple language packs
[06:01] <sebsebseb> maccam941: add/remove is part of upstream Gnome isn't it?   This  Ubuntu  App Centre isn't
[06:02] <maccam941> i think canonical made add/remove and pushed it upstream
[06:02] <maccam941> (iirc)
[06:02] <maccam941> in any case software center will eventually become the default package management app
[06:02] <maccam941> it'll replace gdebi and update-manager and synaptic and add/remove
[06:02] <akio> I just revisited LOLCODE
[06:02] <sebsebseb> uh  software centre :)
[06:03] <Dr_Willis> wonder if they will make a console version.
[06:03] <Dr_Willis> :)
[06:03] <maccam941> sebsebseb: potato potato
[06:03] <Dr_Willis> its potatoe
[06:03] <maccam941> -_-
[06:03] <Moc> I had to select another mirror than the canadian mirror
[06:03] <Dr_Willis> :P
[06:03] <sebsebseb> maccam941: synaptic being replaced by  software centre, that woudn't be a good thing
[06:03] <sebsebseb> maccam941: Synaptic can do a lot more it seems :)
[06:03] <maccam941> sebsebseb: it will be, eventually
[06:04] <maccam941> they just started writing it this cycle
[06:04] <Moc> synaptic = admin tool
[06:04] <hnsr> anyone else here running 9.10 notice that some themes depend on 'Human' icon theme, wihch isn't installed?
[06:04] <maccam941> have you guys even looked at the spec page?
[06:04] <Dr_Willis> Id like to see them expand the 'tagging' system on all the packages.. i often have a hard time finding a package that i 'rember using ages ago' :)
[06:04] <hnsr> im trying to  figure out if I should file a bug against it, cant find anything related on launchpad
[06:04] <hnsr> nor can I figure out which package to even file it against
[06:04] <sebsebseb> maccam941: well  I guess it will be ok if  it's better than Synaptic, but   it still won't be part of upstream Gnome I guess
[06:05] <sebsebseb> maccam941: spec page???
[06:05] <maccam941> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter
[06:06] <maccam941> "In application menus etc, the Center should appear as “Ubuntu Software Center”. This name should be localized (for example, as “Centre” in Commonwealth countries)."
[06:06] <sebsebseb> maybe I should do a bug report for the    wrong spelling  for  Software Centre  :D no point   seriously though, since  American English is the default English for most computer stuff, even though  British English is the only true English :)
[06:08] <sebsebseb> American spellings even though where Canonical is located,  well  not a big deal, but still hmm
[06:08] <maccam941> sebsebseb: did you not read what i just wrote? have you set your locale to en_gb?
[06:08] <sebsebseb> maccam941: yes I did a while ago
[06:08] <Dr_Willis> I can think of bigger annoyances.  with the 'software Center'
[06:08] <sebsebseb> still ended up with the Firefox user agent saying en-us in it though :(
[06:08] <sebsebseb> ,but  I fixed that myself :D
[06:09] <maccam941> sebsebseb: i think firefox has its own localization packages
[06:09] <sebsebseb> apparantly  the translations come later
[06:09] <Moc> damn out of disk space..
[06:10] <Elone> anyone, tried installing VNware? it stop working @ 62% @@; any clue? ~
[06:10] <sebsebseb> maccam941: I didn't really  think about this stuff before, but then more recently,  I got in contact  with someone on IRC, (well it's been months now or whatever), but he does  en gb  for  Gnome
[06:11] <sebsebseb> maccam941: actsaully that's not quite true, since  the first proper website I did,   I ended up calling the thing in HTML for the external style sheet  .centre   anyway this is a bit off topic really
[06:12] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. I cant even get the software-center to actually install anything...
[06:13] <sebsebseb> Dr_Willis:  since the repos are having issues? since this issue?
[06:13] <sebsebseb> !slow
[06:13] <Dr_Willis> sebsebseb:  im installing stuff via apt-get fine now. so i just now fires up softeare center, clicked on a game, clicked install.. nothing.. no messages in the terminal, or any feedback at all.
[06:14] <Dr_Willis> I will try again in a min.
[06:14] <sebsebseb> Dr_Willis: using software centre to try it?   you install with apt-get normalley don't you?
[06:14] <Dr_Willis> right. I tried to install wesnoth via software center, no feedback, click install.. wait.. nothing.....
[06:14] <Dr_Willis> close it.. apt-get install wesnoth-all   took right off.
[06:15] <sebsebseb> well that would be interseting if there's a software centre bug in the beta,  resulting in people not being able to install anything from it
[06:15] <Dr_Willis> try looking for the ssh server in the software center.. i couldent even find that.
[06:16] <Dr_Willis> looked for ssh, and 'openssh'
[06:16] <sebsebseb> Dr_Willis: I think since it's basic and a replacement for add/remove
[06:16] <sebsebseb> Dr_Willis: or I should  say will be a replacement for it
[06:16] <sebsebseb> by the sounds of it hmm
[06:16] <Dr_Willis> trying it on the other machine. lets see
[06:17] <Moc> damn, my audio playback in vlc stop for 200ms every few second
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> i wonder if the 3d chess program actually DOES 3d now....
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> :)
[06:18] <Moc> playback is fine in totem
[06:19] <chu_> Hey guys - I'm currently on Jaunty, though my wireless is broken. I'm thinking of either re-installing Jaunty, or jumping onto Karmic beta (I jumped onto Jaunty beta from Intrepid and had no isses, if anything the experience was made better by Jaunty, even at beta), so I'm open for anything. I do have a separate /home partition, so re-install is just as easy as an update (or so I have heard, not that I have ever done a re-install).
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> Ok. software center is installing 3d chess on my other machine (the one that is still alpha-6 (not upgraded yet)
[06:19] <sebsebseb> chu_: could do, but right now well this
[06:19] <sebsebseb> !slow |  chu_
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> Heh.. 3d chess STILL has broken '3d'
[06:20] <chu_> So I should probably download the Karmic beta and do a re-install that way?
[06:20] <sebsebseb> Dr_Willis: Well that's expected
[06:20] <sebsebseb> chu_: could do, but right now things will be slow
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> sebsebseb:  its been broken since the earliest release of ubuntu ive ever tried. :)
[06:20] <chu_> Even over torrent?
[06:20] <sebsebseb> chu_: sounded like it earlier
[06:20] <Moc> if vlc doesn't work ok on 9.10 i will not update
[06:20] <sebsebseb> chu_: well you can try
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> No Python OpenGL suppot,No Python GTKGLExt support - is the error dialog message.
[06:21] <chu_> Indeed, I'll hang around here for a while, do you have any tips on doing a re-install?
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> vlc works fine here for me on 9.10
[06:21] <sebsebseb> chu_: of course since beta, might end up with some other issue,  resulting in you having a reason to do a clean install of the final, but by the sounds of it that won't be much of an issue, seperate /home after all
[06:21] <sebsebseb> chu_: and the beta causing dataloss from your seperate /home I doubt it
[06:22] <sebsebseb> Dr_Willis: Which release?
[06:22] <chu_> Right now, my /home partition is a *mess*, lots of stuff added and removed, lots of "zombie" dirs just floatin around - is there anyway I can go through them and remove the stuff I don't need?
[06:22] <sebsebseb> chu_: When doing Karmic make sure you have /  as Ext4 :)
[06:22] <chu_> So I can grab a perfect back-up of my home dir.
[06:22] <sebsebseb> chu_: by default  for clean installs Karmic will do / as Ext4  and put the other stuff in it
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> sebsebseb:  iv not updated this alpha6 box yet today.. but ive been watching vlc videos on it all week. (or were you talking about the chess program?) :)
[06:23] <chu_> Yeah, will do (I did an upgradeto Jaunty so never got the chance for ext4)
[06:23] <sebsebseb> Dr_Willis: Which version of Ubuntu  was the earliest you used?
[06:23] <Dr_Willis> sebsebseb:  Hmm.. warty? i forget teh cute names..
[06:23] <sebsebseb> chu_: Well you could have converted the Ext3 to Ext4 in Jauntey, but  Jauntey also doesn't have perfect Ext4 support, because of the kernel they have and that (hmm at the amount of times I have said this kind of thing in #ubuntu )
[06:24] <Moc> now vlc is not responding... !! noo
[06:24] <chu_> I'm actually running 2.6.30 on Jaunty atm.
[06:24]  * sebsebseb is looking forward to the 9.04 final, so that around then he can start telling loads of people to do Ext4 :)
[06:24] <chu_> Had to update the kernel to support my laptop's acpi readings..
[06:24] <sebsebseb> uh
[06:24] <sebsebseb> 9.10 above
[06:24] <chu_> 9.10
[06:25] <chu_> AHah
[06:25] <Dr_Willis> yea - got the chess game to actually do 3d. :)
[06:25] <sebsebseb> Dr_Willis: oh~?
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> had to install 2 extra packages -->  python-gtkglext1
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> python-opengl
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> last time i tried to get it going (a year ago+) one of those packages i think wasent even in the repos
[06:27] <sebsebseb> Dr_Willis: ok well  that could be useful info for certain people,  I don't even know how to play chess hmm
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> Interesting theres '3d' chess - thats a 3d (3 levels of boards) chess game,, then theres the chess game that has 3d 'rendered/board'
[06:30] <Dr_Willis> !info bouncy
[06:32] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. Just comparing the listings of 'software center' and what i see with apt-cache, and there seems to be a lot missing software center.
[06:42] <chu_> Sweet Telstra have Ubuntu mirrors I have never known about, they have the 9.10 desktop beta ISO available.
[06:42] <iflema> unmetered... cool mhuh
[06:43] <iflema> about the only cool thing about telstra
[06:43] <chu_> Pretty much :p
[06:43] <iflema> chu: i take it you know about the repos
[06:43] <chu_> Though, unmetered repos makes Linux a win
[06:44] <chu_> Yeah, pretty much just discovered.
[06:44] <iflema> a win or a windows???
[06:44] <chu_> Hah
[06:45] <iflema> chu: theres more mirror.files.bigpond.com
[06:45] <chu_> Anyway, going to update to 9.10 later today I think, nice to know I don't have to dog down the ubuntu servers.
[06:45] <musikgoat> oh man, the aussies are up, its bed time for me j/k :P
[06:45] <Dr_Willis> Be nice to see a web site showing all the servers loads, so we could switch to unloaded ones
[06:46] <fbdystang> agreed
[06:46] <chu_> In software sources, I just changed the "Download from" to http://mirror.files.bigpond.com/ubuntu ?
[06:46] <musikgoat> Dr_Willis: I would think that the mirrors would like that as well!
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> chu_:  i was wondering that also. :)
[06:47] <iflema> chu_: no punch in that address into browser and looksee
[06:47] <chu_> Cheers
[06:47] <Dr_Willis> i see the index of ubuntu. :)
[06:47] <iflema> - ubuntu
[06:48] <chu_> Sick
[06:48] <chu_> Yeah
[06:48] <iflema> m
[06:48] <fbdystang> chu_ that is cool
[06:48] <iflema> 3 of my favs
[06:48] <iflema> repos for all
[06:48] <iflema> woo
[06:49] <chu_> There is no way of changing my "default" repo to that is there?
[06:49] <chu_> Possibly with the cli :p
[06:49] <chu_> Using Software Sources I don't think so.
[06:49] <iflema> only thing with telstra/ubuntu.... no multiverse
[06:49]  * Dr_Willis tries the 'select best server' button.
[06:49] <frybye> re - for some reason the status-bar (-panel) has migrated from bottom edge of screen to near the top - how can I get it back to the bottom??
[06:49] <chu_> 291 tests!
[06:49] <iflema> at least not 3 months ago
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> 325 tests here
[06:50] <chu_> Yikes
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> it picked one in this state.. not a suprise. :)
[06:50] <frybye> OK - done it! with alt + left-mouse and drag...
[06:51] <chu_> There's a repo at ANU too, though I don't know how to configure it.
[06:51] <frybye> hmmm should have thought of it quicker...
[06:51] <chu_> I am a student at ANU, so that could be good.
[06:53] <cwillu_> frybye, alt-drag the panel
[06:54] <iflema> chu_: if ya like i can send ya a file called sources.list its about 5 lines.. if ya drop into /etc/apt/ bigpondll take over
[06:55] <Dr_Willis> fastest servers are across the world. :) thats always amuseing
[06:56] <iflema> actually google it
[06:59]  * nonix4 ponders about BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:05] <cwillu_> guess you saw that
[07:17] <hifi> nfs-common is broken
[07:18] <Frickelpit> hifi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nfs-utils/+bug/441055
[07:19] <hifi> ok, waiting for the new package
[07:20] <Elone> anyone, tried installing vmware? it stop working @ 62% @@; any clue? ~
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> ths instalation of vmware hung you mean? or the installing of ubuntu ON a vmware VM hung?
[07:32] <tonyyarusso> I see that both ubuntu-wallpapers and gnome-screensavers add files to /usr/share/backgrounds - am I to understand that there's some interchangability between the two?
[07:34] <KnifeySpooney> My xbootsplash looks very low quality. I thought it was just normal until I saw lifehacker's bootsplash quality -- http://cache-03.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/17/2009/10/500x_karmic2_splash.jpg . Are there any settings I can change to increase the quality of my bootsplash?
[07:45] <KnifeySpooney> Nevermind. Someone posted it. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xsplash/+bug/433034
[07:47] <topyli> DopeGhot1, thanks for the grub2 auth hint
[07:49] <jarkko> hi guys, do know what causes to load a second instance of network manager and kmix into system tray in kubuntu karmic?
[07:51] <pwnguin> yay, new wacom fixes my pen
[07:57] <alokito> do the main server and server for united states get updated at the same time?
[07:57] <alokito> main server is too slow so thinking about switching to a server that gets updated as soon as a package is released
[08:00] <Veinor_> global bug jam, whooooo
[08:02] <dv-> what's the deal with nautilus mounting drives to random points each time? every time I mount a drive now it has to read all the media all over again because the mount point has changed
[08:03] <alokito> dv-, to mount ntfs drives automatically use the ntfs-config tool
[08:03] <caillean> i wonder where apport saves the data,because i wanted to add apports data to an existing bug
[08:06] <dv-> alokito: i just don't want it to use random mount points
[08:06] <shentino> How do I upgrade to the beta with synaptic?
[08:07] <alokito> dv-, you are mounting ntfs are u not?
[08:07] <dv-> it used to mount to /media/disk-1 /media/disk-2.... now it's /media/<hash> but the hash is different every time
[08:07] <dv-> no
[08:07] <alokito> shentino, beta is not counted as a distribution release, so if you have all the updates installed u already have the beta
[08:07] <Veinor> it's doing that for me every time I plug in a thumb drive
[08:08] <Veinor> what dv- said.
[08:08] <shentino> so maxing out my versions for jaunty already gives me what karmic would?
[08:08] <Veinor> shentino: oh, sudo update-manager -d
[08:08] <Boohbah> how come my wallpaper has no koala?
[08:08] <Veinor> Boohbah: he's hiding :o
[08:08] <alokito> dv-, u can set the mount point of drives in /etc/fstab
[08:08] <Boohbah> Veinor: oh, do i need to look in the tree? :)
[08:08] <Veinor> yeah :P
[08:08] <alokito> shentino, nope! I mean u don't need to upgrade from karmic alpha to beta
[08:09] <shentino> What I want to do is upgrade from jaunty to karmic beta
[08:09] <Veinor> shentino: sudo update-manager -d
[08:09] <Veinor> in a terminal
[08:10] <draconis> of course back up your stuff first!
[08:10] <draconis> you'd want to do that with a normal distribution upgrade, but doubly so with a beta
[08:11] <Veinor> yeah, of course
[08:12] <Veinor> oh dear, he left
[08:12] <Veinor> anyway, I don't like the behavior of thumb drives mounting automaticalls as /media/SOME-HASH
[08:12] <alokito> draconis, the beta is stable, but I wouldn't want to upgrade my jaunty to karmic beta, rather I would do a separate install(what I actually did few days ago)
[08:12] <Veinor> I'd like for them to mount as /media/disk
[08:13] <dv-> exactly
[08:13] <alokito> Veinor, delete all mount paths from /etc/fstab, then set the mount paths of the drives as u desire
[08:13] <Boohbah> draconis: or consider installing in a VirtualBox
[08:13] <draconis> well, I had to reinstall a system so I figured I'd just start with Karmic
[08:14] <Boohbah> that makes sense
[08:14] <Veinor> alokito: but my point is I want all removable media to be mounted as /media/disk
[08:14] <Veinor> like in Jaunty
[08:14] <alokito> Boohbah, to have a taste vbox is ok, but Im using karmic as my default os so I can't run it in vbox
[08:15] <draconis> Veinor: well, my media is being mounted as their drive label
[08:15] <alokito> Veinor, check /etc/fstab... some partition might be using /media/disk already
[08:15] <Boohbah> alokito: yeah, i installed karmic alpha as my main laptop OS, was running in a vbox on a gentoo desktop before that
[08:15] <alokito> give it some other mount path
[08:15] <Boohbah> alokito: and the laptop have twice the ram as the desktop :)
[08:17] <nonix4> if I "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" on a server installation, will I lose the lovely server motd?
[08:18] <Boohbah> nonix4: if you mean /etc/motd it shouldn't change
[08:27] <Veinor> what's this apt-add-repository I keep hearing so much about?
[08:27] <Veinor> it's not on my karmic install
[08:28] <nonix4> then again that would install bunch of stuff that is not needed on a host that doesn't have local display... any simple way to install just the usual x clients, skipping xserver-xorg and alike?
[08:34] <Veinor> oh.
[08:34] <Veinor> add-apt-repository
[08:34] <Veinor> Now I feel silly.
[08:50] <bwallum> I now know the meaning of the term clusterf**k as quoted in 'Burn After Reading'. It could have been made for PA. Karmic and Jaunty blown up. Can't use my optical drives now. Any sign of a fix coming through?
[08:51] <cwillu_> bwallum, bug number or it didn't happen
[08:53] <topyli> heh
[08:54] <Dr_Willis> !bug 1
[08:55] <bwallum> There's 475 currently listed
[08:56] <cwillu_> ...
[08:56] <bwallum> A right cluster indeed
[08:57] <cwillu_> um, that's not how that works
[08:57] <cwillu_> please state the specific bug you're experiencing
[08:57] <cwillu_> the bug #, rather
[08:58] <jbicha> is there any way I can force Karmic to use the vesa driver? the old "xforcevesa" boot option doesn't seem to work
[08:58] <cwillu_> if there's 475 exact duplicates, then pick one
[08:58] <bwallum> sorry, I don't understand. I am simply asking if there is a light at the end of the tunnel yet
[08:58] <cwillu_> bwallum, and I'm asking 'what tunnel'?
[08:58] <topyli> there is!
[08:58] <bwallum> look at the sample selection above then
[08:58] <cwillu_> you haven't given me anything to look at yet
[08:59] <cwillu_> or am I supposed to google for "site:bugs.launchpad.net  clusterf**k as quoted in 'Burn After Reading'"?
[09:00] <cwillu_> I'm not trying to be evasive, but you're not giving me anything to go on
[09:00] <bwallum> 301755, 354620,172654,210016, 250059,269585,272628....all the way to 475
[09:00] <cwillu_> if they're all duplicates, then they should be marked as duplicates.  If they're all separate issues, then are you _really_ experiences _each_ one of those bugs?
[09:02] <cwillu_> hell, the first one you listed has already been marked as "fix released"
[09:02] <bwallum> I have a running 32bit Jaunty that was last updated 3 days ok. That is fine. Since then AMD64 Karmic and 32bit generic Jaunty have all been affected. Can't play dvds or CDs, very clippy sound on both.
[09:03] <cwillu_> okay, that's _not_ the first bug you listed
[09:03] <cwillu_> can you find a bug that is specifically the issue that you're seeing?
[09:05] <bwallum> OK I give in, I'll read all the bugs and come back next month when I've finished doing that.
[09:06] <cwillu_> ...
[09:06] <cwillu_> start by filing a bug with your issue, there's people who spend their time figuring out what bugs are duplicates of others
[09:07] <cwillu_> but it's ludicrous to come in here with a list of 245 bugs that you claim to experience, and then when challenged on that to reply "well, I don't know, I didn't actually _read_ those bugs"
[09:07] <cwillu_> speaking as a volunteer, with no official standing :p
[09:07]  * Dr_Willis is just an innocent bystander
[09:07]  * cwillu_ huggles Dr_Willis, and bwallum
[09:08] <Dr_Willis> actually i cant rember the last time i played an actual dvd, or music cd.
[09:08]  * topyli gets Dr_Willis involved, sits back and enjoys
[09:08] <Dr_Willis> i rarely even burn dvd/cd thse days
[09:08] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. if i took out the optical drive.. i could fit in another 1+TB hard drive...
[09:08] <cwillu_> not that it matters, no single person uses every supported feature
[09:09] <Dr_Willis> But i DID get the 3d part of the Chess program working!
[09:09] <cwillu_> but like, he listed 7 bugs, and none of them even talk about cd drives :)
[09:09] <cwillu_> Dr_Willis, kinda a let down once you actually see it, eh? :)
[09:09] <tonyyarusso> cwillu_: Some day I'll convince somebody to use every feature just to prove you wrong.
[09:10] <cwillu_> tonyyarusso, too late, I'm systematically working through it, and so have a 3 year headstart :p
[09:10] <topyli> cwillu_, you've been tasked with a high-level job now. "there are bugs in jaunty, please fix them"
[09:10] <tonyyarusso> bah
[09:10] <topyli> now get on it!
[09:10] <topyli> err, karmic
[09:11] <cwillu_> topyli, currently working on bug ######: line6-usb-source doesn't support Line6 Studio-UX2 devices
[09:11] <topyli> good, good
[09:12] <cwillu_> god, one of those bugs was in a ppa build for <foo> sake!
[09:13] <cwillu_> heh, yep, he just clicked on 'pulseaudio', which currently has 475 known bugs :)
[09:13] <cwillu_> which isn't bad actually
[09:13] <cwillu_> apparently 'searching' wasn't called for :p
[09:13] <cwillu_> can somebody distract me?  this is eating at me too much :p
[09:13] <nonix4> is ltsp-server-standalone not depending on xterm a bug?
[09:14] <commander_> is there any way to install the themes like turrican blue and hanso
[09:14] <cwillu_> nonix4, I don't know for sure, but I think the images used with ltsp are built up completely separately from ltsp-server-standalone
[09:14] <cwillu_> i.e., you can use it without having an x server installed, and so having the x clients installed isn't necessary
[09:15] <nonix4> cwillu_: images built seem proper, but they cannot log in without server having some installed as well
[09:15] <cwillu_> </I think>
[09:15] <cwillu_> nonix4, that doesn't sound right, they would be using the xterm in the image (which is built for their arch), not the tools on the server's root (which may not be)
[09:16] <cwillu_> thanks for the distraction btw :)
[09:20] <iceroot> anyone running karmic with vbox 3.06 succesfully? at login, gdm is restarting every 3-4 seconds (like when you install a wrong vga-driver)
[09:21] <jbicha> iceroot: what graphics card do you have?
[09:21] <iceroot> jbicha: dont know what vbox is using atm
[09:22] <jbicha> vbox works for me, but what is the graphics hardware for your host computer?
[09:22] <iceroot> jbicha: geforce 7900gs but it does not matter what my host is using (imo)
[09:22]  * nonix4 thinks he'll file a bug report, regardless of not being sure which one is the actual bug there...
[09:23] <jbicha> I'm having significant trouble with my geforce card
[09:23] <cwillu_> nonix4, always a safe bet :)
[09:24] <iceroot> jbicha: but vbox is not giving a geforce to the machine. its giving the vbox-vga to the machine. so it does not matter if the host is using nvidia, ati, intel or something else
[09:24] <cwillu_> nonix4, that said, do you understand what I mean about the binaries on the server being unrelated to the binaries the client uses?
[09:24] <cwillu_> iceroot, does vbox have some gl passthrough feature now though?
[09:24] <cwillu_> that could expose some weirdness now that we do compositing tricks
[09:24] <iceroot> cwillu_: yes (you have to activate). its working fine with doom3, serious sam2 and so on
[09:27] <cwillu_> nonix4, where I might be confused is that I was under the impression that edubuntu/ltsp exposes a root filesystem for the clients which run most of their apps locally against an nfs mounted root.  This could be mistaken, and all the applications are actually running on the server connecting to just an xserver on the client over an ssh encrypted link or whatever, but I don't think that's the default
[09:30] <AlanBell> @ping
[09:30] <Ian_> @pong
[09:30] <Ian_> msn updated their protocolagain?
[09:31] <AlanBell> ah, thanks. Wrong channel, but at least I know it is working now :-)
[09:31] <Ian_> pidign/empathy doesnt seem to feel like connecting
[09:31] <Ian_> AlanBell: what is working? :p
[09:31] <AlanBell> irssi
[09:31] <nonix4> hrm, Karmic Alpha 6 -> Beta kernel upgrade seems to have left lvm out of initramfs, ouch...
[09:33] <AlanBell> ah, I wasn't identified to NickServ
[09:34] <bullgard> Empathy > Contact List > Help > Debug reports: "empathy/Account-DEBUG: 1.254544e+09: account_manager_name_owner_cb: Name owner changed for org.freedesktop.Telepathy.AccountManager, new name: :1.67." What does  the message »Name owner changed for org.freedesktop.Telepathy.AccountManager« mean?
[09:34] <Ian_> bullgard: ?
[09:35] <Ian_> ah pidgin connected now
[09:35] <Ian_> nvm :)
[09:35] <bullgard> Ian_: Your message is cryptic. Would you mind to talki to me in plain English?
[09:35] <bullgard> s/talki/talk/
[09:37] <der_schreiner> hello
[09:38] <Ian_> hmm
[09:38] <Ian_> maybe
[09:38] <Ian_> :p
[09:38] <bullgard> '~$ uname -a; Linux T43 2.6.31-11-generic #38-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 2 11:55:55 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux'. Where can one see from this output that I am using the Karmic Beta release?
[09:38] <der_schreiner> had you all any problems with the new updates?
[09:38] <mortal> nice, ibm t43 is a very good laptop
[09:39] <bullgard> mortal: Yes, it is.
[09:39] <mortal> I have mine with a 1400x1050 screen, bought it used for 200 eur :>
[09:40] <bullgard> mortal: I paid 280 EUR but it has got a new hard disk of 160 GB.
[09:41] <mortal> I should get a new disk, the last sectors are bad
[09:41] <mortal> but it works still :b, I don't use those sectors on any partition
[09:41] <Dr_Willis> i just upgraded my hd to 500gb :)
[09:43] <eagles0513875> morning
[09:43] <eagles0513875> how hard are the update servers getting slammed today
[09:43] <Dr_Willis> hmm. first update/upgrade on a new inwstall and 'ubuntu-desktop' is being held back.. Why would a meta-package be held back?
[09:44] <Dr_Willis> eagles0513875:  they been  slow but accessable to me right now.
[09:44] <stuart_> Can someone help with a "no sound" problem in Larmic?
[09:44] <der_schreiner1> ch mirror works fine for me
[09:44] <SKB> is karmic beta now?
[09:44] <stuart_> Karmic
[09:44] <stuart_> yes SKB
[09:44] <joaopinto> skath_, read the topic
[09:45] <eagles0513875> SKB: yes it is has been since thursday
[09:45] <joaopinto> ops, skb
[09:45] <der_schreiner1> Karmic is beta since 3 days
[09:45] <Dr_Willis> 3 days of the servers being overloaded. :)
[09:45] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: there has to be an easier way to do updates instead of downloding big chunks like today
[09:45] <der_schreiner1> lol
[09:45] <eagles0513875> 318mb of packages for 229 upgrades
[09:45] <iflema> 1 2 miss a few
[09:45] <Dr_Willis> its 5 am, in the usa.. so switch to the american servers.
[09:46] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: question i have no sound what so ever would i need to recompile alsa or phonon
[09:46] <eagles0513875> or what ever the new default is
[09:46] <joaopinto> eagles0513875, there is, and they are workingon it, differential updates
[09:46] <eagles0513875> i remember hearing something about improving the updates
[09:46] <joaopinto> they are not implemented yet
[09:46] <Dr_Willis> eagles0513875:  if your  alsa dosent support your card. you would need to update alsa i guess...
[09:47] <stuart_> i have no sound at all either
[09:47] <Dr_Willis> has sound EVER worked?
[09:47] <eagles0513875> i can wait to get back on osx just have some java programming but can do other things
[09:47] <stuart_> haa haa
[09:47] <der_schreiner1> i hope the time will come we get diff packages, who only god the changes to the last ;)
[09:47] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: on my duel boot with osx and karmic on boot camp partition no it hasnt but on a vm it has
[09:47] <stuart_> does on Debian for me
[09:47] <joaopinto> eagles0513875, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/apt-sync
[09:47] <cwillu_> bullgard, have you apt-get update; apt-get upgrade'd?
[09:47] <imachine> sup
[09:48] <Dr_Willis> eagles0513875:  i would check the forums for your specific apple machine. Ive little experience with ubuntu on apple hardware
[09:48] <imachine> upgrading from 9.04, the installer sort of stalls at the point where it's "cleaning up"
[09:48] <imachine> is taht normal?
[09:48] <ripps> holy ****, I just got 152 package upgrades!
[09:48]  * Dr_Willis has an apple PPC thats a good doorstop
[09:48] <imachine> it's been going with high HD activity for the past 10 minutes.
[09:48] <eagles0513875> hahah Dr_Willis they have changed tremendously
[09:48] <imachine> like if it is searching for something, but it seems that it's not doing anything ;/
[09:48] <eagles0513875> dont get me started with boot ups and shut downs lol
[09:48] <Dr_Willis> ripps:  yea. i noticed a lot of updates now also.
[09:48] <SKB> The system user `messagebus' already exists. Exiting.
[09:48] <SKB> Failed to open connection to "system" message bus: The maximum number of active connections for UID 0 has been reached
[09:48] <SKB> dpkg: error processing dbus (--configure):
[09:48] <SKB> ugh
[09:48] <imachine> no effects at least.
[09:48] <SKB> halp?
[09:48] <eagles0513875> !paste | SKB
[09:48] <stuart_> so can anyone try help with lack of sound
[09:49] <Dr_Willis> ive rararely had sound issues.. so ive not much experience with fixing sound.
[09:49] <eagles0513875> im in teh same department as u Dr_Willis
[09:49] <joaopinto> SKB, that looks bad, serch for a bug report on launchpad, or report it
[09:49] <joaopinto> search
[09:49] <Dr_Willis> #1 q. would be has sound in linux ever worked for the machine.
[09:50] <imachine> any ideas with the stalling installer/updater?
[09:50] <stuart_> Dr_Willis yes
[09:50] <Dr_Willis> i only do 'clean' installs. :) so sorry - cant help there imachine
[09:50] <imachine> or is taht normal, wow, firefox 3,5...
[09:50] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: on my mac no but on win machines it does out of the box
[09:51] <Dr_Willis> there was a bit of a quirk where the mute would stay on... i need to see if that got fixed.
[09:51] <ripps> Boy am I glad I changed my sources to a more locally mirror repository
[09:51] <joaopinto> Dr_Willis, have you checked alsamixer ?
[09:52] <Dr_Willis> ripps:  yep. i did also.. lot faster now.
[09:52] <joaopinto> Dr_Willis, do you get an error, or you simply don't get any sound ?
[09:52] <joaopinto> I had some issues with pulse on karmic
[09:53] <stuart_> joapinto yes - nothing muted etc.
[09:53] <joaopinto> stuart, was sound working on jaunty ?
[09:53] <Dr_Willis> I have no sound problems at all.. ive noticed teh mixer applet being quirky. me and some other guys filed a bug on it about 3 days ago
[09:54] <stuart_> joapinto: didn't use it, but it has worked on earlier versions of Ubunti. Currently using Debian stable for which it works
[09:54] <joaopinto> ok
[09:54] <joaopinto> stuart, clearn install or upgrade ?
[09:54] <stuart_> clean
[09:55] <joaopinto> disclaimer: I don't know much about sound troublehshooting, just trying to help :P
[09:55] <stuart_> no prob
[09:55] <joaopinto> stuart_, do you get any sound on on the login screen ?
[09:55] <joaopinto> before logging in
[09:56] <stuart_> no sound at any time
[09:56] <joaopinto> aplay -l , lists your card ?
[09:56] <bullgard> cwillu_: No. I used System > Administration > Upodate Manager.
[09:56] <cwillu_> bullgard, k, same thing
[09:57] <bullgard> cwillu_: No sir. This is not the same thing.
[09:57] <cwillu_> bullgard, if it says you have no updates after you hit 'check', then you're actually past the beta
[09:57] <cwillu_> yse, as far as I'm concerned right now, it's exactly the same thing
[09:57] <joaopinto> bullgard, tecnhically it's the same thing :P
[09:57] <bullgard> cwillu_: I agree.
[09:57] <nonix4> how do I do the equivalent of "tar tzvf" for initrd.img-2.6.31-11-server?
[09:57] <joaopinto> stuart_, pastebin aplay -l
[09:57] <stuart_> yes versus the little sound thing on the toolbar which simply lists "envy24 card" -- presumably from the envy24 software driver
[09:58] <stuart_> joapinto: how do I use pastbin
[09:58] <joaopinto> nonix4, I believe initrd is a loopback image
[09:58] <joaopinto> !pastebin | stuart_
[09:58] <bullgard> '~$ uname -a; Linux T43 2.6.31-11-generic #38-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 2 11:55:55 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux'. Where can one see from this output that I am using the Karmic Beta release?
[09:58] <cwillu_> stuart_, apt-get install pastebinit, and then aplay -l | pastebinit
[09:58] <joaopinto> erm, i mean, is an image which you can loopback mount
[09:58] <cwillu_> bullgard, I don't want to answer your question, because it doesn't mean what I think you think it means :)
[09:58] <Umeaboy> Hi!
[09:59] <Dr_Willis> I still cant understand why 'ubuntu-desktop' is held back.. but i can 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop' and it basically installs a single lib, then installs ubuntu-desktop
[09:59] <joaopinto> bullgard, yes, if you got all the updates
[09:59] <cwillu_> the "beta" is the state of the archive at a particular point in time, that no longer exists except on the beta cd's themselves
[09:59] <cwillu_> if you've updated, then you're _newer_ than the beta
[09:59] <Dr_Willis> !info libgd2-noxpm
[09:59] <cwillu_> if you installed before the beta, then you're not
[09:59] <Dr_Willis> !info libgd2-xpm
[09:59] <joaopinto> Dr_Willis, ubuntu-desktop is held because it adds/removes packages, that will held metapackages
[09:59] <cwillu_> the only way you'll be running _exactly_ the beta is if you installed from the beta cd, and haven't applied any updates
[10:00] <Dr_Willis> joaopinto:  it even was being held with a dist-upgrade
[10:00] <Umeaboy> The beta causes my virtualbox to stop working.
[10:00] <Dr_Willis> aparently those 2 xpm libgd files were the issue
[10:00] <stuart_> joaopinto: http://paste.ubuntu.com/284457/
[10:00] <Umeaboy> I think some updates removed dkms for some reason.
[10:00] <Umeaboy> Stupid if you ask me.
[10:00] <joaopinto> hum, that's a valid point, afaik dist-upgrade should had upgraded it
[10:00] <bullgard> cwillu_: "	<cwillu_>	the "beta" is the state of the archive at a particular point in time, that no longer exists except on the beta cd's themselves." <- Does the 'Beta' state reflect in the output of '~$ uname -a'?
[10:01] <cwillu_> bullgard, not as such, no
[10:01] <wekt> nonix4, joaopinto:   initrd are cpio archives, not tar.  alternatively it can be some kind of loopback image i think.  but cpio is more common because more compact.
[10:01]  * Dr_Willis wonders what libgd2 need to have a xpm and noxpm version
[10:01] <joaopinto> Umeaboy, they didn't for me, so there is some problem specific to you, if that was the case
[10:01] <bullgard> cwillu_: Ah, I see.
[10:01] <cwillu_> bullgard, you could tell from the particular kernel version that you're around that time, but that's about the best you could do
[10:01] <bullgard> cwillu_: Ok.
[10:01] <Ian_> Umeaboy: sometimes, updates are broken and if you look at the updates, it will tell you what it will remove
[10:01] <nonix4> wekt: 'k... I guess http://wiki.debian.org/InitramfsDebug is what I was looking for :)
[10:02] <Ian_> just wait a few hours and the update will be fixed and nothing will be removed
[10:02] <joaopinto> wekt,  ok :)
[10:02] <Umeaboy> Yeah, but most of 'em are in English & I prefer to read in Swedish.
[10:02] <cwillu_> bullgard, the date in that line would be a clue I guess though :p
[10:02] <wekt> There is also doc shipped with Linux
[10:02] <bullgard> cwillu_: :-)
[10:03] <cwillu_> but you could selectively update only that kernel, without updating anything else, for whatever reason :p
[10:03] <Umeaboy> What's the command to completely remove KDE?
[10:03] <joaopinto> !puregnome
[10:03] <Umeaboy> sudo aptitude remove task-kde ?
[10:03] <Umeaboy> Okey.
[10:04] <bullgard> cwillu_: Because of that there are two switches for the uname command: 'uname -r' and 'uname -a'.
[10:04] <cwillu_> bullgard, kernel release isn't distro release
[10:04] <joaopinto> bullgard, there are more switchs: man uname
[10:05] <joaopinto> -a includes all the info
[10:05] <cwillu_> bullgard, lsb_release might be more useful
[10:06] <Umeaboy> I wonder why I get TWO versions of FF when I use the beta,
[10:06] <Umeaboy> ONE I can understand, but why TWO?
[10:06] <cwillu_> !info firefox
[10:07] <cwillu_> Umeaboy, define 'two'
[10:07] <cwillu_> (noting that 'firefox' is 'firefox-3.5'
[10:07] <Umeaboy> Two shortcuts.
[10:07] <Dr_Willis> Ijust have one here.
[10:07] <Dr_Willis> in the menus.
[10:07] <cwillu_> where, and to what paths, and on upgrade or on new install?
[10:07] <joaopinto> Umeaboy, did you upgrade or clean install ?
[10:08] <Umeaboy> Upgrade.
[10:08] <joaopinto> Umeaboy, so that's natrual, you had firefox-3.0 which was upgraded
[10:08] <joaopinto> and firefox-3.5 which is now the default
[10:08] <joaopinto> natural
[10:09] <cwillu_> joaopinto, you've met our right fielder?
[10:09] <Umeaboy> joaopinto: Yes, but why wasn't the old one removed?
[10:10] <joaopinto> Umeaboy, because the upgrade can't assume you don't need firefox-3.0 anymore ?
[10:10] <joaopinto> cwillu_, sorry :) ?
[10:10] <Umeaboy> joaopinto: Such a shame.
[10:10] <joaopinto> Umeaboy, e.g. I still need firefox-3.0 for some rare sites
[10:11] <Umeaboy> I DON'T.
[10:11] <cwillu_> joaopinto, I hit the ball to the third baseman, naturally, and he throws it to who
[10:11] <joaopinto> Umeaboy, so please remove it, a nd be polite
[10:11] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. I wonder which of the many grub config file/settings hides this grub menu on my new install....
[10:11] <joaopinto> cwillu_, oh, I am European, ignorant about baseball :P
[10:12] <eagles0513875> hhehe im from usa but styding out in europe
[10:12] <cwillu_> joaopinto, it's an old stand-up comedy routine;  look on youtube for "who's on first"
[10:12] <Umeaboy> I loooooooooooooooooooove baseball. Go Red Sox and NYG!
[10:12] <cwillu_> don't need to know a thing about the game :p
[10:12] <joaopinto> ah ok :)
[10:13] <alokito> joaopinto, what site can firefox 3.0 load that firefox 3.5 can't?
[10:13] <eagles0513875> GO HOUSTON ASTROS lol
[10:14] <joaopinto> alokito, any Lotus Forms 3.5.0 Based Site
[10:14] <joaopinto> which I use on a customer intranet
[10:15] <Umeaboy> joaopinto: Link?
[10:15] <joaopinto> Umeaboy, I said, intranet
[10:15] <alokito> joaopinto, can u give an example?
[10:15] <Umeaboy> Okey.
[10:15] <cwillu_> joaopinto, I presume it's not just something that looks for a particular user-agent, and as such can be fixed by installing user-agent-switcher rather than a whole second browser? :p
[10:15] <alokito> oh ok
[10:16] <joaopinto> cwillu_, yes, that would also do it, but then I would have support people kicking me :)
[10:16] <bullgard> Empathy > Contact List > Help > Debug reports: "empathy/Account-DEBUG: 1.254544e+09: account_manager_name_owner_cb: Name owner changed for org.freedesktop.Telepathy.AccountManager, new name: :1.67." What does  the message »Name owner changed for org.freedesktop.Telepathy.AccountManager« mean?
[10:16] <Umeaboy> I wish I could complete the self-test when I've logged in.
[10:16] <joaopinto> .1 does add support for ff3.5 I believe, but intranet ppl have no need for such upgrades, IE is on the house :P
[10:16] <Umeaboy> It fails all the time.
[10:16] <joaopinto> bullgard, better ask on #telepathy
[10:17] <Umeaboy> joaopinto: Have you tried using the intranet in Midori?
[10:17] <bullgard> joaopinto: Thank you for this advice.
[10:17] <joaopinto> Umeaboy, no, I don't use exhotic browsers :)
[10:18] <Umeaboy> Booooooy, does it load fast!
[10:19] <Umeaboy> Yaaaaay!
[10:19] <joaopinto> reboot to test fglrx
[10:22] <joaopinto> seems fine
[10:23] <joaopinto> time to get a 3D game for real testing
[10:23] <eagles0513875> heheh joaopinto good luck
[10:23] <eagles0513875> hehe would love to work on a gaming specific distro targeting gamers
[10:24] <eagles0513875> and game devs
[10:24] <joaopinto> eagles0513875, why would you need a distro for that ?
[10:24] <joaopinto> there are several gamers related projects on ubuntu
[10:25] <eagles0513875> true joaopinto thing is you have something like ubuntu studio which targets multimedia buffs whats wrong with a distro dedicated to gamers and game devs
[10:25] <joaopinto> eagles0513875, well, good point :P
[10:25] <eagles0513875> lol
[10:26] <joaopinto> eagles0513875, so just build it :P
[10:26] <eagles0513875> joaopinto: where to start lol
[10:26] <Dr_Willis> how about a distro focused on IRC addicts
[10:26] <Dr_Willis> :P
[10:26] <joaopinto> I almost started a usb play pen idea
[10:26] <joaopinto> but it's too much work
[10:26] <topyli> i think we have those, Dr_Willis
[10:27] <Dr_Willis> just getting the video drivers is the biggest issue with a 'gamer' edition
[10:27] <joaopinto> I would just take the pen to all those windows kids and show them how to play without %$&%$$&%$%$ their parents computers
[10:28] <joaopinto> Dr_Willis, well, not that hard, you could decide to ship the vendor drivers
[10:28] <Dr_Willis> take it and show them how they can web surf special sites.. and err.. not be tracked..
[10:28] <Dr_Willis> :)
[10:28] <Dr_Willis> joaopinto:  thats not exactly allowable is it?  i though that was why ubuntu dosent incluced them on the cd/dvd but other 'under the radar disrtos ' do
[10:28] <joaopinto> but it would need to be a persistent usb, for record keeping
[10:29] <joaopinto> Dr_Willis, that is argueable, some projects choose to distribute it on media
[10:29] <Dr_Willis> argueable untill the lawyers get into it. :)
[10:29] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: the problem i c is for instance with alpha 5 i had issues with x not starting as soon as i installed the driver from nvidia and i had x. the problem is with ubuntu at least there are no updates to the drivers if new versions are releasd at leat until the next release
[10:29] <Unggnu> hi all
[10:29] <eagles0513875> !hi | Unggnu
[10:29] <joaopinto> Dr_Willis, which would result in it being legal, or not
[10:30] <Unggnu> Has anyone also problems with the Remote Desktop that you can't use the mouse until the user in front of the remote system does something?
[10:30] <Dr_Willis> The persistant live/flash thing i tried last time. i installed teh nvidia drivers.. but it dident 'remember/use' them when i rebooted.I had to alter rc.local to make a proper xorg.conf to use the nvidia drivers.
[10:31] <eagles0513875> Unggnu: ya its not a uncommon the user on the desktop has to accept ur remote connection
[10:31] <Unggnu> eagles0513875: no, not the box
[10:31] <Unggnu> eagles0513875: you actually get connected but can't click on anything. Afaik I have disabled user confirmation
[10:31] <eagles0513875> Unggnu: strange i havent tried that out in karmic
[10:32] <imachine> wow
[10:32] <eagles0513875> joaopinto: for starters where would one find out how to setup their own package repository if ones creating their own distro
[10:32] <imachine> karmic's great, so far
[10:32] <imachine> :)
[10:32] <eagles0513875> :)
[10:32] <eagles0513875> ya lots of updates for kubuntu at least
[10:32] <imachine> looks real good in gnome too
[10:32] <joaopinto> eagles0513875, you could use a PPA for that
[10:32] <Unggnu> eagles0513875: it is but I had a similar problem with Windows Vista some tim ago
[10:33] <imachine> so far it really looks a milestone :)
[10:33] <joaopinto> eagles0513875, https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA
[10:33] <eagles0513875> joaopinto: ok so then i would need to change the repos to point at my ppa
[10:33] <joaopinto> yes
[10:33] <cwillu_> !remix | eagles0513875
[10:33] <cwillu_> awww
[10:33] <Unggnu> eagles0513875: now it is working, maybe it has something to do with the viewer
[10:33] <joaopinto> and I guess you would want to remaster the iso
[10:33] <eagles0513875> Unggnu: its possible
[10:33] <cwillu_> eagles0513875, "ubuntu remix" is the magic google query
[10:33] <eagles0513875> joaopinto: ya that too
[10:33] <joaopinto> eagles0513875, well, you want a new distro, a new cd I guess, not just a repository
[10:34] <DanaG> hmm, is ext4 considered "stable" enough to use actually ON a backup drive, nowadays?
[10:34] <joaopinto> there are already game specialized repositories
[10:34] <eagles0513875> ok cwillu_ and joaopinto and yes to that as well
[10:34] <eagles0513875> DanaG: im using it on my duel boot and have no problems with ext4
[10:34] <joaopinto> DanaG, ext4 is considered "stable" for any purpose, just not as stable as ext3
[10:34] <cwillu_> DanaG, the data format and related has been considered stable for quite some time
[10:34] <DanaG> I have my main partition ext4, but my drive-full-of-backups is ext3.
[10:34] <DanaG> Would there be significant benefit to making the drive-full-of-backups be ext4?
[10:35] <cwillu_> that said, a backup drive won't really see much benefit from ext4 (or ext3 even)
[10:35] <cwillu_> being that it's typically not performance critical
[10:35] <joaopinto> DanaG, no, unless you depend on your backups speed
[10:35] <cwillu_> don't know that you'd get much speed benefit for simple copying
[10:35] <Umeaboy> I don't know if this is an issue with Ubuntu as a whole system or if it's just an issue for the browser, but Opera & Midori doesn't show an already started video unless I scroll up & down.
[10:36] <Umeaboy> The video plays, but the picture of the video isn't drawn.
[10:36] <Umeaboy> Anybody experienced that?
[10:36] <ActionParsnip> Umeaboy: do you have flash installed?
[10:36] <Dr_Willis> Hmm midori.. whats that
[10:36] <iflema> :)
[10:36] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: lightweigh web browser
[10:36] <Umeaboy> ActionParship: Yes.
[10:37] <ActionParsnip> Umeaboy: you running 64bit ubuntu?
[10:37] <eagles0513875> cwillu_:  which out of this is what u trying to get at http://www.google.com.mt/search?q=ubuntu+remix&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
[10:37] <Umeaboy> Nope. 32-bits.
[10:37] <DanaG> Well, it's eSATA, anyway.  The laptop drive (~70-80MB/s) is the limit.  The external drive can do around 100 MB/s.
[10:37] <Umeaboy> I don't have this problem in FF or Epiphany.
[10:37] <ActionParsnip> Umeaboy: ok thats cool, have you tried without the desktop effects?
[10:37] <DanaG> Or rather, 90.
[10:38] <cwillu_> eagles0513875, I don't have a working browser right now, but an ubuntu remix is the standard way of making a new distro based on ubuntu;  you're looking for an *.ubuntu.com page on that query
[10:38] <Umeaboy> ActionParship: Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. They ARE off.
[10:38] <ActionParsnip> Umeaboy: have you symlinked the flashplugin fle to the opera plugin folder?
[10:38] <DanaG> I use faubackup, which does hardlinks of unchanged files.
[10:38] <eagles0513875> ok cwillu_
[10:38] <Umeaboy> ActionParnip: Nope.
[10:38] <Umeaboy> What can I do?
[10:39] <eagles0513875> cwillu_: im only finding stuff bout netbook and all that
[10:40] <cwillu_> eagles0513875, so, modify the query
[10:40] <ActionParsnip> Umeaboy: sudo find / -iname "opera*" | grep plug
[10:40] <eagles0513875> cwillu_: think i found it :)
[10:40] <ActionParsnip> Umeaboy: when you see a likely folder, press ctrl+c then jump into that folder and make the link
[10:40] <eagles0513875> forget google in this case and head to the source
[10:41] <eagles0513875> omg 2 hrs to download 330mb of updates
[10:41] <ActionParsnip> !sow | eagles0513875
[10:41] <ActionParsnip> !slow
[10:41] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: i am running updates im on alpha 6 already just updating lol
[10:42] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: so is everybody else, hence slow
[10:42] <eagles0513875> i hear ya
[10:42] <eagles0513875> i can only imagine on release day omg
[10:42] <eagles0513875> lol
 Make the link?
[10:43] <Umeaboy> It's finished now.
[10:43] <bullgard> Empathy > Contact List > Help > Debug reports: "empathy/Account-DEBUG: 1.254544e+09: account_manager_name_owner_cb: Name owner changed for org.freedesktop.Telepathy.AccountManager, new name: :1.67." What does  the message »Name owner changed for org.freedesktop.Telepathy.AccountManager« mean?
[10:45] <wzssyqa> how can i install a gdm theme?
[10:45] <Umeaboy> wzssyqa: Drag it into gdm-manager window.
[10:45] <topyli> my wireless connection is now 54Mb/s. it used to be more like 5 or so
[10:45] <wzssyqa> um
[10:46] <Umeaboy> wzssyqa: What?
[10:46] <topyli> or 10Mb, i forget. wonderful how quickly you forget bad things
[10:46] <wzssyqa> Umeaboy: how can i start gdm-manager?
[10:46] <Umeaboy> wzssyqa: System->Settings->Appearence.
[10:47] <Umeaboy> Download themes from gnome-look-org or kde-look.org
[10:47] <topyli> actually, system/administration/login window
[10:47] <ActionParsnip> Umeaboy: yes, in that folder, create a symlink to libflashplayer.so
[10:47] <Dr_Willis> Err..is gdm in 9.10 even themeable at all?
[10:47] <Dr_Willis> Last i looked the themes for  the older gdm dident work
[10:47] <Umeaboy> ActionParsnip: Create a symlink? How?
[10:47] <cwillu_> Dr_Willis, it's a rewrite, themes would have to be rewritten, but it is themable
[10:48] <Umeaboy> Create a copy of that file?
[10:48] <Dr_Willis> Just no themes for it right now cwillu_  ?
[10:48] <topyli> Dr_Willis, apparently not. no such options in the GUI
[10:48] <Dr_Willis> ive seen people in here mention running the gnome-settings tools as the 'gdm' user to tweak things.. but that goofed some things up here
[10:48] <ActionParsnip> Umeaboy: sudo ln -s /path/to/libflahplayer.so .
[10:48] <cwillu_> Dr_Willis, there's two that I know of, the brown, and the black :p
[10:49] <Dr_Willis> I need a Hot Pink theme!
[10:49] <Dr_Willis> I got a Hot Pink netbook
[10:49] <wzssyqa> Umeaboy: is it gdmsetup?
[10:49] <cwillu_> Dr_Willis, start with xsplash
[10:49] <Dr_Willis> best way to custmoize xplash i find is... 'sudo apt-get remove xsplash'
[10:49] <Dr_Willis> :)
[10:49] <Umeaboy> wzssyqa: Yeah.
[10:50] <wzssyqa> ume
[10:50] <cwillu_> Dr_Willis, okay, um, you can go hang out with all the pulseaudio 'troubleshooters' in #ubuntu now :p
[10:50] <wzssyqa> Umeaboy: but my gdmsetup is like this http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/45257
[10:50] <Dr_Willis> Actually - i rarely have ssues with pulse audio
[10:50] <Dr_Willis> :)
[10:50] <Trewas> the new black gdm theme is indeed extremely black, the problem with dark themes is that whether anything is visible depends heavily how the screen brightness etc are set
[10:51] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: +1 :)
[10:51] <ActionParsnip> for spash stuf
[10:51] <Dr_Willis> Im still trying to figure out what grub setting is hiding the menu...
[10:52] <wzssyqa> Umeaboy: with it,i can not install gdm theme
[10:52]  * cwillu_ huggles, his remote backup ran before his machine died last night even though its local backup died as well
[10:53] <Umeaboy> wzssyqa: What the *BEEP* are YOU running? That's not Gnome.
[10:53] <wzssyqa> Umeaboy: yes,it is gnome 2.28
[10:54] <Dr_Willis> I really find these wallpapers/backgrounds with gradients look horriable.. all blocky dithering/unsmooth.. id rather just see a simple solid brown then this smear..
[10:57] <Umeaboy> wzssyqa: Have you installed english language as well?
[10:57] <wzssyqa> Umeaboy: no
[10:57] <wzssyqa> Umeaboy: i will try
[10:59] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. new install on my nvidia based laptop.. and the hardware-driver tool dident pop up to suggest the nvidia driver, or the sta (or b43) driver for my wireless..
[10:59] <joaopinto> ok, fglrx+fullscreen working great
[11:00] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: what make of b43 you got
[11:00] <eagles0513875> i have a b4322 in my mac and the proprietary one was already installed out of the box
[11:02] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: i always nistall the 190 driver anyway, jockey is worthless to me
[11:02] <Dr_Willis> yea - i just saw it had b42 or 'sta' as options fo rwireless.. i raely use th ewireless
[11:03] <wzssyqa> Umeaboy: i am back
[11:03] <Umeaboy> I can see that. :)
[11:03] <Dr_Willis> doh....
[11:03] <Dr_Willis> edited the grub /etc/default/grub  but frogot to run update-grub
[11:03] <Dr_Willis> gee.. remindes me of the old LILO days
[11:04] <wzssyqa> Umeaboy: here http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/45258
[11:05] <Umeaboy> wzssyqa: I gotta go.
[11:10] <trask1> hello koalas
[11:11] <trask1> totem is acting up and wont play video, anyone got a fix?
[11:11] <alokito> trask1, do you have ubuntu-restricted-extras installed?
[11:12] <joaopinto> that must be specific to your video format or your system, it's playing fine here
[11:12] <Dr_Willis> Ive had  such bad luck with Totem in the past.. first thing i do is install vlc and gnome-mplayer.
[11:12] <trask1> alokito: yeah its installed
[11:12] <andguen1> +1 to vlc
[11:12] <alokito> Dr_Willis, trask1 I have no problem with totem
[11:13] <alokito> trask1, whats format are you trying to play? can you play other formats than that?
[11:14] <alokito> what* file format
[11:14] <trask1> gnome-mplayer sounds like worth a try, vlc have given me loads and loads of headaches in the past and is about as antismooth as mediaplayers get
[11:14] <trask1> mp4 mostly so far
[11:14] <alokito> trask1, kaffeine is my favorite, u can give it a try
[11:15] <alokito> or if you want something with simple and clean interface there's dragon player
[11:17] <trask1> gnome-mplayer looks smooth enough :)
[11:17] <ActionParsnip> trask1: mplayer works wonderfully, people always overlook it even though its probably one of the oldest
[11:17] <trask1> yeah only player i used back on slackware was kmplayer, just gets the job done
[11:25] <baron86> i want to update to the latest KDE.. does anyone know which repositories to use and how to update?
[11:26] <trask1> reminds me, whats with the new login screen? thers no menu to choose window manager
[11:26] <trask1> openbox ftw :P
[11:27] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. i thouight there was at the bottom right.
[11:27] <Dr_Willis> click on a name . then the menus appear to select a se4ssion
[11:28] <nonix4> hmm, apt-get dist-upgrade on an lvm-root system removes lvm2 - where should a bug about this be filed?
[11:30] <trask1> Dr_Willis: ill give it a try once im logged out again, figured it had to be something like that, it guessed openbox after a few tries though, as if its getting intelligent
[11:30] <tormod> nonix4, try to figure out which other package wants to get rid of lvm2
[11:30] <tormod> nonix4, but file it on lvm2 otherwise
[11:32] <cdE|Woozy> it seems that you can't click a gtk-button twice without moving the mouse a bit after clicking on the button the first time, can anyone confirm that?
[11:33] <nonix4> tormod: well, does dist-upgrade keep logs of what it does? Since I don't have a snapshot of the initial state...
[11:34] <baron86> hello there.. I use karmic koala kubuntu 9.10 and have problem with the kde 4.3.1 its like i am missing some features.. Does anyone know that issue?
[11:37] <Dr_Willis> baron86:  could be they got trimmed out to fit all on a cd.. check the pcakge manager  for other kde packages you may want to install
[11:38] <baron86> suppose they should releasse a DVD ?
[11:38] <Dr_Willis> I dont see that happening any time soon.
[11:40] <robin0800> baron86: if you can download the cd you can also download the packages you need as well
[11:40] <baron86> i am new in here and dont know whick packages to select..
[11:41] <James147> baron86: looking for the right ones now :)
[11:41] <Dr_Willis> 'missing some features' dosent really narrow it down :)
[11:41] <baron86> xaxa its okie.. i am reqading whattt everything does.. :P
[11:41] <Dr_Willis> You proberly want 'kubuntu-restricted-extras' if using KDE for starters.
[11:44] <zj3t3mju> anyone report about can't double click to install deb file yet?
[11:45] <tormod> nonix4, there is always /var/log/dpkg.log. But I was thinking you could just try upgrading single (or groups) of packages until you find the lvm2 conflict
[11:45] <Boohbah> sudo apt-get install akregator amarok amarok-common apport-qt ark cdrdao dolphin dontzap dragonplayer exiv2 foomatic-db-gutenprint gdebi-kde gnupg-agent gtk2-engines-qtcurve gwenview hpijs-ppds ijsgutenprint install-package jockey-kde k3b k3b-data kaddressbook kamera kate kde-icons-oxygen kde-printer-applet kde-style-qtcurve kde-window-manager kde-zeroconf kdebase-bin kdebase-data kdebase-plasma kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 kdebase-run
[11:45] <tormod> nonix4, to start with you can do "upgrade", it will hold back those upgrades that tries to add/remove other packages
[11:46] <Boohbah> sorry for the flood everyone :(
[11:47] <robin0800> all the times and dates are missing from the log files
[11:48] <imachine> ok
[11:48] <imachine> 2 issues:
[11:48] <imachine> with pidgin, the OSD gets misplaced
[11:49] <robin0800> just checked its the viewer its stripping them out
[11:49] <imachine> I get info too low, the osd is not aligned with the top bar
[11:49] <imachine> another thing: how can I set the log in/out menu on the top right
[11:49] <imachine> so I have a small neat icon instead of a username displayed there?
[11:49] <robin0800> imachine: your right its not and hasn't been for awhile
[11:49] <imachine> it was possible earlier in 9.04 :)
[11:50] <imachine> robin0800, you mean the osd or the icon?
[11:51] <robin0800> imachine: if I have two the one is at the top
[11:51] <eagles0513875> stupid question here can libs be compiled from source
[11:51] <James147> baron86: try installing plasma-wallpapers-addons
[11:52] <imachine> robin0800, huh?
[11:52] <imachine> robin0800, you mean the osd right?
[11:52] <robin0800> imachine: yes
[11:53] <imachine> is it possible to make pidin not show it's icon if I use the indicator-applet ?
[11:54] <imachine> I can live without indicator-applet
[11:54] <imachine> but I'd like indicator-applet-session to be able to iconify properly
[11:55] <imachine> instead of displaying the full username and taking up useful taskbar space
[11:56] <yofel> imachine: pidgin should have an option to always/somtimes/never show the icon in its settings
[11:56] <cdE|Woozy> gönau
[11:56] <cdE|Woozy> oops
[11:58] <baron86> I suppose that i will install anything saying 4.3.1
[12:01] <eagles0513875> ?
[12:01] <eagles0513875> why you say that baron86
[12:01] <Dr_Willis> !info traysaver
[12:01] <eagles0513875> !trysaver
[12:02] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. theres some tool that can minimize things to the systemtray
[12:02] <Dr_Willis> !info alltray
[12:03] <baron86> i am sorry but my KPackageKit allways has problems...
[12:04] <eagles0513875> baron86: use command line whats the name of the package you want to install
[12:05] <vistakiller> any plan to fix the bug with flash player
[12:05] <baron86> thats not that easy for me
[12:06] <vistakiller> the buttons dont response
[12:07] <bullgard4> What IRC channel is there to discuss Gajim?
[12:07] <James147> baron86: kde-full will install all kde packages, or you can browes its dependances and install teh individual compoents
[12:07] <baron86> how do i use this command?
[12:07] <Dr_Willis> anyone noticed transmission not showing all the 'torrents' its downloading. active button shows None. but eventually it does show them all.
[12:09] <James147> baron86: sudo aptitude install <packagename>
[12:10] <Dr_Willis> !resetgnome
[12:13] <baron86> okie its okie now..
[12:13] <baron86> is there anything relevant to plasma?
[12:13] <baron86> sudo aptitude install plasma-full?
[12:13] <Dr_Willis> apt-cache search plasma
[12:13] <Dr_Willis> and see whats there
[12:13] <James147> baron86: plasma-addons
[12:14] <James147> baron86: sorry ^^ kdeplasma-addons
[12:14] <baron86> okie.. i suppose everything is updated..
[12:15] <eagles0513875> this is messed up
[12:15] <eagles0513875> over wifi on a vm im getting better speeds downloading updates then when i was on the actual partition itself
[12:16] <baron86> It still doesnt have the option plasma settings :(
[12:17] <James147> baron86: you might need to logout and back in
[12:17] <James147> baron86: or restart palsma-desktop
[12:20] <Dr_Willis> reboot :) oh wait.. thats for #windows
[12:23] <amortvigil> why is this inpossible? sudo ln /home/evan/Documenten/webdev/ /var/www/
[12:23] <eagles0513875> amortvigil: you wanting to copy whats in there to /var/www
[12:24] <amortvigil> eagles0513875, i want a symbolic link
[12:24] <eagles0513875> ln -s
[12:24] <eagles0513875> that should sym link it
[12:24] <amortvigil> eagles0513875, ahhh thanks
[12:24] <Dr_Willis> 99% of the time you want ln -s :)
[12:24] <eagles0513875> hehe no problem m8
[12:24] <eagles0513875> hehe Dr_Willis
[12:24] <eagles0513875> :) helping in here makes me feel good :)
[12:25] <Dr_Willis> Yep.
[12:28] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: not only that it makes me feel better bout my lpic 1 certification
[12:28]  * Dr_Willis is certifiably insane
[12:28] <eagles0513875> hehe
[12:28] <Dr_Willis> and i imagine it will get worse on the 29th :)
[12:31] <mjbrooks> 4:30 am...
[12:31]  * mjbrooks ponders sleep
[12:34] <andguen1> 4:30 was when I got up :)