[05:42] <fwereade> good mornings
[15:04] <_mup_> Bug #812343 was filed: formula exec env should include DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive <Ensemble:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/812343 >
[16:03] <adam_g> m_3: pong
[16:04] <m_3> adam_g: was just responding with the rabbit stuff
[16:04] <m_3> adam_g: I attached it to the bug report
[16:05] <m_3> adam_g: was able to reproduce your problem, then got it 'started'
[16:05] <m_3> adam_g: misbehaving package dep
[16:06] <m_3> adam_g: lemme know if that fixes it for you pls
[16:09] <SpamapS> rabbit is a strange beast
[16:09] <SpamapS> causes all kinds of problems for LP devs because of its insistance that its hostname never change.
[16:10] <m_3> SpamapS: I think it was just a startup script in a dependent package not playing nicely
[16:11] <SpamapS> m_3: what package?
[16:11] <m_3> don't know which one...
[16:11] <m_3> apt-get install -y rabbitmq-server didn't work
[16:12] <m_3> adding noninteractive and --no-install-recommends fixed it for me
[16:12] <adam_g> m_3: i actually was using the non-interactive frontend for a while, but took it out to see if it made any difference
[16:12] <adam_g> ill give no-install-recommoends a shot, thanks
[16:12] <SpamapS> erlang-base | erlang-base-hipe, erlang-asn1, erlang-corba, erlang-crypto, erlang-docbuilder, erlang-edoc, erlang-eunit, erlang-ic, erlang-inets, erlang-inviso, erlang-mnesia, erlang-odbc, erlang-os-mon, erlang-parsetools, erlang-percept, erlang-public-key, erlang-runtime-tools, erlang-snmp, erlang-ssh, erlang-ssl, erlang-syntax-tools, erlang-tools, erlang-webtool, erlang-xmerl
[16:13] <m_3> I can narrow it down to a particular package if this gets you past the hurdle
[16:13] <SpamapS> lots of dependencies from erlang-nox
[16:13] <m_3> yup
[16:24] <adam_g> m_3: still no luck with that install hook and those apt-get options.
[16:26] <adam_g> m_3: were you able to deploy to a completely fresh system?
[16:27] <fwereade> hey guys, didn't notice you come in :)
[16:27] <fwereade> it's the end of my day now but I'll be back shortly
[16:28] <fwereade> my mind in in a maze of twisty little tests, all alike, and I'm not going to be able to resisit another look :p
[16:29] <m_3> adam_g: yeah, from totally shutdown to rabbitmq 'started'
[16:30] <m_3> adam_g: are you specifying the ami or anything in your environment?
[16:30] <adam_g> m_3: yeah, an oneiric daily from last week. which are you using?
[16:31] <m_3> not specifying ami... defaults to natty
[16:31] <m_3> ami-06ad526f
[16:32] <m_3> which ensemble rev?
[16:32] <adam_g> sec
[16:34] <m_3> fwereade: hey man
[16:36] <m_3> adam_g: yeah, just tested again and it comes up fine... only bzr diff with your branch is http://pastebin.com/76H4dsBF
[16:37] <m_3> adam_g: my env (less keys) http://pastebin.com/fL0fSn3r
[16:46] <fwereade> m_3: heyhey :)
[16:49] <fwereade> oh, dammit
[16:50] <fwereade> I just spent half an hour reexamining my apparently-flawed understanding of mocker and twisted
[16:50] <fwereade> turned out to be a lower-case 'r' in some_mock.callRemote
[16:50] <jimbaker> fwereade, they are tricky to combine
[16:51] <fwereade> jimbaker: yeah, I assumed I'd encountered some subtlety that would teach me something
[16:51] <fwereade> all it's actually taught me is lrn2type
[16:51] <RoAkSoAx> fwereade: \o/
[16:52] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: hey, how's it going
[16:52] <SpamapS> we've all been humbled by twisted a bit. :)
[16:52] <RoAkSoAx> fwereade: good good
[16:52] <RoAkSoAx> you?
[16:52] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: yeah, recovering, not used to this jetlag lark
[16:53] <RoAkSoAx> fwereade: hehehe yeah!! fun times !! :)
[16:53] <jimbaker> fwereade, in zed shaw's learning python the hard way, learning to type (and the resulting debugging) is a key piece of the learning strategy
[16:53] <fwereade> jimbaker: still haven't looked into that... I usually enjoy zed's stuff
[16:54] <fwereade> jimbaker: first encountered him ranting about statistics in the ZSFA days :)
[16:54] <jimbaker> fwereade, some interesting insight. i was perusing it for teaching my daughter python
[16:54] <fwereade> jimbaker: cool :) how old is she?
[16:54] <jimbaker> fwereade, she's 10. she has already programmed in C (albeit through the use of a visual editor) and squeak
[16:55] <jimbaker> she learned squeak on her own. C was for a robotics camp
[16:55] <fwereade> jimbaker: cool, I have that to look forward to, Laura's only 2 :)
[16:55] <m_3> adam_g: they're coming up, but rabbit's not fully installed... still trying to figure out where it's going
[16:56] <fwereade> jimbaker: I have some blurred photos of her waving a cuddly snake, and that's as far as I've got
[16:56] <SpamapS> jimbaker: My 8 year old found Scratch this last weekend. He had quite a bit of fun with it. :)
[16:56] <jimbaker> fwereade, so zed shaw's premise is that those of who learned how to program by typing in code from a magazine/book is fundamentally different than the latter practice of doing cut & paste
[16:56] <SpamapS> Still its really hard to keep him focused on it.. its an unbelievable leap for him from that to what the xbox does. ;)
[16:57] <fwereade> jimbaker: hmmm, yes
[16:57] <jimbaker> i don't know if he uses this analogy, but looking at code is like an expert chess player looking at a board. we can use pattern recognition to really grok what's going on - especially what's wrong
[16:58] <SpamapS> crap.. I suck at chess
[16:58] <m_3> _love_ scratch
[16:58] <fwereade> jimbaker: nice
[16:58] <jimbaker> SpamapS, yeah, my daughter was playing with scratch over at a friend's house. what kids do when you're monitoring them, it's dangerous ;)
[16:58] <jimbaker> you're *not* monitoring ...
[16:59] <fwereade> jimbaker: it'll be like wargames all over again
[16:59] <jimbaker> fwereade, indeed. i think there will be a tv movie about it
[17:02] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: hey, cool, glad you're coming in august
[17:06] <RoAkSoAx> fwereade: mee too.. this week I'll be working on getting everything Clint'
[17:06] <RoAkSoAx> did onto the ensemble bootstrap
[17:06] <RoAkSoAx> and I guess in the sprint we'll figure final details
[17:06] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: awesome
[17:07] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: I have the final(!?) state of that branch in review again, and I'm starting to integrate stuff from our shared branch on top of it
[17:07] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: it crossed my mind that from what Gustavo said I shouldn't be pulling from or pushing to that branch directly
[17:07] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: so I guess it doesn't need to be shared
[17:08] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: but no harm done :)
[17:09] <RoAkSoAx> fwereade: right, but well I guess that as long as nothing changes significantely and breaks the stuff i'm working on, there wouldn't be much difference on how e handle that
[17:10] <RoAkSoAx> fwereade: but still I'd like to work with a branch that's in sync with your work
[17:10] <RoAkSoAx> so I can be sure nothing will break significantly
[17:10] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: indeed not -- I just thought you should know
[17:11] <RoAkSoAx> fwereade: :)
[17:11] <RoAkSoAx> ;)
[17:12] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: the major source of confusion I think is that I'm having to use the twisted xmlrpc client, and test it, and so the code is coming out the other end a ...little less recognisable
[17:12] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: but given I have an environment, I think I can be pretty confident in it if it has the same results as yours
[17:13] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: that said it might be sensible to get you to review my (your) changes once they've passed through my hands ;)
[17:15] <RoAkSoAx> fwereade: hehe yeah I was planning to send my changes for your review, as really, the main concern I have is just use all the goodness of your refactoring
[17:15] <RoAkSoAx> rather than me putting all the code in one single function
[17:15] <RoAkSoAx> :)
[17:15] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: as long as it's moderately spread out I'm not bothered :p
[17:16] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: just shout if you find you're ending up duplicating code
[17:16] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: which would imply a deficiency in itc current shape
[17:18] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: actually I had a question
[17:18] <fwereade> netboot_enabled
[17:19] <fwereade> acquire_system will only grab systems with it enabled
[17:19] <fwereade> start_system always tries to set it to True
[17:19] <fwereade> I presume we only actually need one of those, and I was wondering which you thought would be better
[17:26] <RoAkSoAx> fwereade: let me check
[17:31] <RoAkSoAx> fwereade: no I believe they should be kept
[17:32] <RoAkSoAx> fwereade: acquire_system will obtain an available system
[17:32] <RoAkSoAx> fwereade: while start system will tell it to start by issueing the commands, like containing the system through IPMI or stuff like that
[17:33] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: not sure I follow
[17:33] <fwereade> if a system is already netboot_enabled, why would we set that to True again on start?
[17:33] <RoAkSoAx> fwereade: acquire_system browses for a system that is under foo-available management class, and grabs one
[17:33] <fwereade> similarly, if we can set it to True on launch, why exclude systems that don't have it set?
[17:34] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: but acquire_system also skips those without netboot_enabled
[17:34] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: ...unless I'm looking at the wrong branch :/
[17:34] <RoAkSoAx> fwereade: then start_system, tells cobbler to contact any configured device to actually power on the machine. Setting it to netboot_enable when acquiring the system makes sure to acquire one that has netboot enabled
[17:35] <RoAkSoAx> fwereade: but when starting the system, it is making sure that netboot enabled is correctly set, otherwise the system willfail to netboot
[17:35] <RoAkSoAx> fwereade: it is just a way of making sure
[17:36] <RoAkSoAx> fwereade: cause let's say for whatever reason we acquired a system, and suddently someone changes the system profile on cobbler, then when ensemble tells it to boot the machine up
[17:36] <RoAkSoAx> fwereade: the machine wont be able to PXE
[17:36] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: if we also _set_ it when we acquire the system, I'm happy, but as it is we just skip the system if it isn't already set the way we want
[17:36] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: it makes sense to me to set it immediately before launch, even if it seemed to be set ok before
[17:37] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: but if we _can_ set it, why would we avoid acquiring a system _without_ netboot_enabled?
[17:38] <RoAkSoAx> fwereade: maybe it would be a system that we would like to not use for a moment but still keep under foo-available
[17:38] <RoAkSoAx> fwereade: I know it does not seem unnecessary, but for me I think it is a necessar evil :)
[17:39] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: I'd be inclined to make in-foo-available the single point of truth for that
[17:39] <_mup_> ensemble/expose-provision-machines-reexpose r292 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:39] <_mup_> Merged trunk
[17:39] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: but the critical thing is that it is actually intended
[17:39] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: and I don't need to worry that I'm totally misunderstanding ;)
[17:39] <RoAkSoAx> fwereade: yeha, but AFAIK I think we should not care that much right now about that, as it is super easy to override
[17:40] <RoAkSoAx> fwereade: cause as I mention, i think we need better ways to ensure the interaction with the management classes
[17:40] <RoAkSoAx> as I explained last week, we could set the management class from foo-available to foo-acquired and then the physicl machine might fail to start
[17:40] <RoAkSoAx> while ensemble status still shows that machine as available
[17:41] <RoAkSoAx> and doing the check, we can be assuming that "there's a reason by it has been set to disable. but let's just make sure we enable it before starting the machine"
[17:41] <RoAkSoAx> s/by/why
[17:41] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: yep, makes sense
[17:41] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: thanks :)
[17:43] <fwereade> anyway, I think that really is it for me now
[17:43] <fwereade> gn all, see you soon
[17:46] <_mup_> Bug #812441 was filed: ensemble ssh should passthrough args to ssh <Ensemble:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/812441 >
[17:51] <_mup_> ensemble/expose-provision-machines-reexpose r293 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:51] <_mup_> Support reexposing a service
[18:02] <niemeyer> Hallo!
[18:06] <niemeyer> m_3: Nice blog post1
[18:06] <niemeyer> !
[18:26] <jcastro> m_3: SpamapS: *hand wave* who wants to go over the first cut of my ensemble slides?
[18:27] <SpamapS> jcastro: fire away
[18:37] <SpamapS> m_3: feedback on the NFS formula.. I don't think we should keep repeating the paradigm of using the remote service name for stuff.
[18:38] <SpamapS> m_3: I'd rather see us implement a mode where the consuming side suggests a name... that way two services can share the same NFS export.
[18:38] <SpamapS> m_3: we also need to put together some interface docs .. :)
[19:05] <jcastro> m_3: nice blog post!
[19:06] <jcastro> I wonder if it makes sense to do a debconf prompt when you install ensemble for the EC2 keys instead of punting the user to editing a dotfile right off the bat
[19:20] <m_3> niemeyer: thanks!
[19:21] <m_3> jcastro: are your latest on the U1 share?
[19:23] <m_3> SpamapS: yup... do you have any interfaces written up so far?
[19:27] <jcastro> m_3: they are
[19:27] <m_3> seems like it's naturally part of the formula doc... we then have an 'interfaces' page on the wiki that scrapes formula docs from the repo
[19:29] <m_3> jcastro: used 22G on U1 already... gotta get it off the web
[19:31] <jcastro> heh, nice!
[19:34] <m_3> jcastro: which talk you wanna go over first?
[19:34] <jcastro> m_3: 5 minute is the same you saw, 10 minute is just the exanded version of that, it just needs a once over
[19:35] <jcastro> Ensemble Long Presentation is the one I'm having a hard time with, it's like 30 slides but I am wondering if it needs to be so many slides vs. just doing a demo and going through it step by step
[19:36] <m_3> ok, I'll look
[19:36] <jcastro> m_3: I just TODOed myself making a presentation of your blog post basically
[19:36] <jcastro> it's nice to have something other than mediawiki to talk about, heh
[19:37] <SpamapS> m_3: no but I think we'll just use ensemble.ubuntu.com/Formulas/Interfaces/(interface-name-here) ..
[19:37] <SpamapS> m_3: I was thinking we can use a yaml format.. and leave it open to plugin test scripts that can be run at each point to verify an interface... but.. I wonder if we shouldn't just write them up in a way we can re-use for your cucumber idea.
[19:39] <SpamapS> jcastro: less slides unless you do them "Identity 2.0" style.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrpajcAgR1E
[19:39] <m_3> cucumber can consume yaml and adapt tests to each interface as nec
[19:41] <m_3> jcastro: I'll try to build out some other stacks and blog about them
[19:42] <m_3> jcastro: mediawiki full stack is still a very compelling xample
[19:43] <SpamapS> m_3: more compelling w/ config settings  implemented. :)
[19:43] <m_3> jcastro: especially if we can connect other aux services we've developed
[19:43] <m_3> SpamapS: +1
[19:44] <m_3> jcastro: ok, I personally don't like bullet points on slides... it automatically makes me want to sleep
[19:44] <SpamapS> m_3: watch identity 2.0
[19:44] <SpamapS> best presentation I've ever seen
[19:45] <SpamapS> Its the top of the pyramid, but some elements fit where we will start.. in the middle. :)
[19:45] <m_3> jcastro: diagrams on 10min-page15 should maybe be flipped over (mysql on bottom)... totally minor though
[19:45] <jcastro> m_3: someone from design will make us proper stuff  so pretend the blocks and stuff look pretty (but noted)
[19:46] <m_3> wow I really like the animated parts of that... good story
[19:47] <m_3> hard to believe though... (everybody says what we're saying here)
[19:47] <SpamapS> Cloud 2.0....
[19:47] <SpamapS> ;)
[19:47] <m_3> it's like... "no, really!"
[19:49] <m_3> jcastro: I'd expect we'll have different long-form talks depending on audience?
[19:49] <jcastro> m_3: that's totally ripped off from Nick, but I have no shame
[19:49] <jcastro> m_3: yeah so I was thinking of having fragments based on audience
[19:49] <jcastro> and then swap out parts of the long one depending on audience
[19:50] <jcastro> like, I don't think sysadmins will even want or care about the long presentation, I'd want to just see a terminal and someone typing.
[19:51] <m_3> jcastro:right, that's sort of the point of services though
[19:51] <SpamapS> they will care about the long presentation at oscon
[19:51] <SpamapS> lots of sysadmins and devs there
[19:51] <m_3> you used to have different perspectives on this
[19:52] <jcastro> SpamapS: I look forward to stealing your long form one as well.
[19:52] <jcastro> SpamapS: actually if you have it done and want to jet me a copy that would be swell
[19:52] <m_3> infrastructure meant very different things to different people
[19:52] <SpamapS> jcastro: I really like the idea around having 40-50 total slides, and just building presentations from those based on a few clues.
[19:52] <SpamapS> hahaha done hahahahaha
[19:53] <m_3> high levefolks thought of services, sysadmins thought of servers
[19:53] <m_3> we're bringning th two together
[19:56] <m_3> jcastro: lightning's look great, lemme see what sort of notes I can come up with for longform.
[19:56] <jcastro> SpamapS: yeah, right now that's exactly what the 10 minute and long form one are, it's a shuffle of what I had around + more added in
[19:56] <jcastro> m_3: you can plop your notes right into the slide notes if you want
[19:56] <m_3> definitely steal from SpamapS...
[19:57] <m_3> SpamapS: how long is your talk?
[19:57] <m_3> (going to be)
[19:57] <SpamapS> m_3: 40 min
[19:58] <SpamapS> I have approximately 2 slides done.. in outline form only. ;)
[19:58] <m_3> jcastro: there's the answer :)
[19:58] <m_3> nice
[19:58] <SpamapS> I actually plan to have only about 10, with a couple repeating, if I do it right.
[19:58] <m_3> that what mornings are for
[19:59] <m_3> SpamapS: let us know if we can help... (draw a diagram or something)
[20:00] <SpamapS> Heh.. this was my deck for the last Ubuntu Cloud Days.. http://spamaps.org/files/Ensemble%20Presentation.pdf
[20:02] <jcastro> SpamapS: I just stole it, got any others around?
[20:02] <_mup_> ensemble/expose-provision-machines-reexpose r294 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:02] <_mup_> Removed debugging
[20:02] <m_3> SpamapS: great last slide
[20:03] <SpamapS> m_3: I think there are a few too many arrows and lines.. it was the first ensemble picture I painted. ;)
[20:04] <jcastro> we'll just get someone to do a proper awesome diagram
[20:04] <jcastro> once we get the content the way we want it
[20:04] <jcastro> so hopefully it won't look so complicated, heh
[20:05] <jcastro> robbiew: I'd like to go over these slides today with you too if that's ok
[20:05]  * jcastro is looking for any excuse to do a G+ hangout. :p
[20:29] <robbiew> jcastro: heh...cool...got a 1:1 with jimbaker now...in about 30min?
[20:29] <jcastro> whenever is fine for me!
[20:31] <_mup_> ensemble/expose-provision-machines-reexpose r295 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:31] <_mup_> Removed sleeps in ensemble.state.tests.test_base and added test for client being disconnected in a watch
[20:32] <robbiew> jimbaker: ping :)
[20:33] <jimbaker> robbiew, hi
[21:01] <robbiew> jcastro: yo
[21:01] <jcastro> howdy
[21:01] <robbiew> ready to go, when you are
[21:03] <jcastro> robbiew: sure, wanna hang out?
[21:03] <jcastro> er, "hangout"
[21:04] <robbiew> sure
[21:04] <jcastro> started
[21:07] <robbiew> jcastro: so this is my big problem with G+
[21:07] <robbiew> I can never figure out how to hangout
[21:07] <robbiew> beyond hanging with a whole damn circle
[21:08] <bcsaller> oh, are we hanging out? brt
[21:08] <bcsaller> j/k
[22:07] <SpamapS> jcastro: hrm, why doesn't u1's little messaging indicator tell me when you have shared something with me? In this case, it only told me that I had accepted a share.. :-P
[22:07] <SpamapS> seems rather silly
[22:11] <SpamapS> jcastro: "Ensemble Manges Services, not Machines" .. how baout "Ensemble Manages Services, not Servers"
[22:12] <jcastro> ooh, I like that
[22:12] <jcastro> SpamapS: I am heading to dinner, if you can just PM me your feedback that would be great and I can check it out when I get back
[22:20] <SpamapS> jcastro: Or in the morning.. no rush. :)
[22:24] <adam_g> that reminds me...
[22:25] <adam_g> im going to give a demo of ensemble at a local AWS users group. are there slides anywhere that might be of use?
[22:27] <jcastro> I've got some
[22:27] <jcastro> when is your talk?
[22:30] <adam_g> jcastro: thanks!
[22:30] <adam_g> tomorrow night :)
[22:42] <adam_g> SpamapS: regarding your comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ensemble/+bug/810808 , is there a way to run debug-hooks so that it can catch exec of the install hook of a yet-to-be-deployed unit  in time?
[22:42] <_mup_> Bug #810808: Formula install hook never completes <Ensemble:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/810808 >
[22:44] <SpamapS> adam_g: I think if you get debug-hooks going before the install hook it will work.. but that may be tricky as you probably can't run debug-hooks until ssh is working
[23:03] <adam_g> SpamapS: ssh isn't the tricky part, but deploying the service and getting debug-hooks to run before the install hook fires
[23:16] <SpamapS> adam_g: looks like we need a --debug-wait option to deploy/add-unit
[23:19] <adam_g> SpamapS: might be useful. i was actually able to catch the hook by looping while waiting on ec2
[23:20] <adam_g> and it turns out, if i run the install hook manually it installs rabbit, exits and continues onto start after
[23:20]  * adam_g puts on his strace goggles
[23:21] <SpamapS> Haha
[23:21]  * SpamapS has a vision of a gunner in a Mad Max / Waterworld tank preparing to mow down the unfortunate syscalls..
[23:23] <adam_g> hehe.
[23:25] <adam_g> which process actually execs the hooks? the machine agent or the unit agent?
[23:26] <SpamapS> unit
[23:26] <SpamapS> machine execs unit agent..


[03:36] <ChinnoDog> Anyone here into downloading their TV shows than can explain to me why The Biggest Loser doesn't appear on torrent sites the same night it airs?
[03:36] <ChinnoDog> It is popular enough it should be everywhere, yet it is nowhere
[03:38] <andrew> meh, they did "rock climbing" on the biggest loser tonight. As expected, it wasn't true rock climbing, but rather a via ferrata
[03:42] <waltman> Can anyone explain to me why anyone would want to watch The Biggest Loser?
[03:42] <pleia2> ChinnoDog: I am not sure there it a ton over overlap between people who watch reality shows and people who torrent
[03:42] <waltman> ...let along spend the time downloading a torrent of it?
[03:43] <JonathanD> it'll be on roku
[03:43] <JonathanD> get roku
[03:43] <ChinnoDog> pleia2: You think the audience is creating this discrepancy?
[03:43] <waltman> Where do these torrents come from, anyway?
[03:43] <pleia2> ChinnoDog: yes
[03:44] <pleia2> waltman: people on the internet who record it from their tv
[03:44] <pleia2> and encode, and release
[03:44] <ChinnoDog> I watch epsiodes of House and Stargate Universe the same night they come out
[03:44] <ChinnoDog> They are posted in less than an hour, downloaded in 15 minutes, on my TV in another 5
[03:45] <pleia2> geeks like house an stargate
[03:45] <pleia2> geeks don't like reality shows that aren't documentary-style
[03:47] <waltman> Geeks like Mythbusters
[03:48] <waltman> Speaking of which, I just discovered that Mythbusters has begun producing a short "after-show" the day after a new show airs, where they spend a few minutes answering viewer questions about the episode.
[03:49] <waltman> I realize this is a dumb question, but couldn't you watch House and SGU the same night they come out by watching them on your tv set?
[03:53] <ChinnoDog> I don't have cable
[03:53] <ChinnoDog> And I'm not going to get it for two shows I can download
[03:53] <waltman> So you're basically stealing the shows?
[03:54] <waltman> 3.  What about Biggest Loser?
[03:54] <ChinnoDog> I don't watch that, I am just curious
[03:55] <ChinnoDog> Someone complained they missed it, I thought I would find a torrent for it instantly, i was wrong
[04:03] <ChinnoDog> TBL is posted on Hulu the next day. That might be why. I found an open source Hulu downloader. I guess that is the best it is going to get.
[04:04] <ChinnoDog> PennBot: Open Source Hulu downloader is http://sourceforge.net/projects/tubemaster/
[04:04] <PennBot> Gotcha!
[04:04] <ChinnoDog> PennBot knows all
[04:04] <PennBot> Wish I knew, ChinnoDog.
[04:05] <ChinnoDog> PennBot is just being modest
[04:05] <PennBot> I don't have a clue.
[04:08] <waltman> Couldn't the person who missed it just watch it themselves on Hulu tomorrow?
[04:08]  * waltman wears his luddite hat proudly
[04:14] <ChinnoDog> waltman: They could, but not necessarily on their TV
[04:16] <waltman> Yes, I can see why it would be important to watch a show like that on a big screen :)
[04:16] <ChinnoDog> Is that sarcasm?
[04:16] <andrew> No, he just wants to see the whole picture
[04:19] <ChinnoDog> k. I'm done researching shows I don't actually watch. Sheep counting time.
[04:20] <pleia2> hulu_plus++
[04:23] <waltman> I should just accept that I'm a different sort of media consumer than most geeks :)
[04:24] <pleia2> yes, probably
[04:24] <waltman> like, I mostly watch live tv
[04:25] <waltman> If I started downloading torrents of shows I'd just end up with a hd full of shows that I'd never watch.
[04:25] <pleia2> we plugged our tv into the wall and it gets the discovery channel
[04:25] <waltman> what more do you need, really?
[04:25] <pleia2> mythbusters is cool, but mostly their shows are about logging and gold mining
[04:26] <pleia2> it's very odd
[04:26] <waltman> they occasionally have different shows on sunday night
[04:26] <pleia2> like attack of the killer boars!
[04:26] <waltman> Yay!
[04:26] <pleia2> oh, right now it's deadliest catch
[04:26] <waltman> speaking of nature, I have to take issue with your Puerto Rico blogging!
[04:27] <pleia2> yeah?
[04:27] <PennBot> Somebody said yeah is it any good? i have one right near the mall, pleia2
[04:27] <pleia2> @botsnack
[04:27] <PennBot> Nom nom nom
[04:27] <waltman> PR is *not* the home of the only rain forest in the USA.
[04:27] <pleia2> oh, where is another?
[04:27] <pleia2> maybe it's the only national park rainforest
[04:28] <waltman> There are also tropical rainforests in Hawaii, and there are some temperate rain forests along the coast in Washington.
[04:28] <pleia2> oh, nice
[04:28] <waltman> HA is home to one of the rainiest sports on the planet
[04:28] <waltman> spots
[04:29] <pleia2> I'll have to go to Hawaii some time
[04:29] <pleia2> they also have volcanos!
[04:29] <waltman> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoh_Rainforest
[04:29] <PennBot> Title: Hoh Rainforest - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
[04:29] <pleia2> nice
[04:30] <pleia2> "the only rainforest that belongs to the U.S. Forest Service"
[04:30] <waltman> aha
[04:31] <pleia2> there, fixed :)
[04:35] <waltman> yay
[04:37] <andrew> http://backofawebpage.com/
[04:37] <PennBot> Title: back of a webpage (at backofawebpage.com)
[04:48] <waltman> cute
[06:46] <InHisName> anyone who can advise fixing any erorrs in setting up bind would be helpful  http://pastebin.ca/2048322
[06:46] <PennBot> Title: pastebin - Untitled - post number 2048322 (at pastebin.ca)
[10:49] <JonathanD> Good morning PA!
[11:15] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[11:28] <JonathanD> howdy.
[14:40] <knightzero> Morning everyone.
[15:06] <ssweeny> morning knightzero
[17:01] <JonathanD> hey knightzero
[17:01] <JonathanD> you need help with autojoin?
[17:02] <knightzero> JonathanD: I think I got it figured out, thanks to your link from yesterday.  I'll find out the next time I reboot the box I have IRSSI sitting on.
[20:09] <ChinnoDog> hi lamalex
[20:15] <lamalex> hi
[20:20] <ChinnoDog> lamalex: eaten any good cheese steaks lately?
[20:20] <knightzero> Hey lamalex
[20:21] <lamalex> ChinnoDog, im a vegetarian again
[20:21] <lamalex> so "no"
[20:21] <ChinnoDog> 'again'?
[20:21] <ChinnoDog> A pepperoni vegetarian?
[20:23] <pleia2> no, that's me
[20:23] <pleia2> (but not really)
[20:25] <lamalex> ChinnoDog, i was a vegetarian for .... 7 years
[20:56]  * IdleOne has a cheese steak being delivered should be here around 9PM
[20:57] <waltman> That's a long time to wait for a cheesesteak!
[20:58] <IdleOne> worth the wait, my kids are bringing it to me :)
[20:58] <pleia2> yay :)
[20:58] <IdleOne> pigs in poop got nothing on me right now :)
[20:59] <IdleOne> there is no word to express the happiness I am feeling
[21:10] <ChinnoDog> lamalex: What is your reason for being a vegetarian?
[21:11] <lamalex> dont have one
[21:12] <ChinnoDog> You just dislike meat?
[21:21] <lamalex> no
[21:23] <ChinnoDog> You don't think you should need a reason to be a vegetarian?
[21:29] <lamalex> no, do you need a reason to eat meat?
[21:30] <ChinnoDog> No, but I need a reason to not eat food when I am hungry and it is available
[21:32] <lamalex> you're missing the big picture
[21:45] <lamalex> (hint: it's a sailboat)
[22:50] <ChinnoDog> lamalex: what do sailboats have to do with being a vegetarian?
[23:10] <rmg51> there's prolly a female involved somewhere


[10:01] <kqkq95> hi all !
[10:03] <kqkq95> I have a conflict between cloud-init and customization of the VMware guest operating system, at the first start, the network configuration + name of the VM is configured, cloud-init starts to configure while my system reboots because of VMware who has finished his configuration, someone has already encountered this problem?
[10:04] <kqkq95> at the next start cloud-init repeats the actions ..
[14:15] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: Still waiting on an answer to my flake8 Q from yesterday.  (This is a semi-blocker for my work to add a conftest to tests/, which is the only reason I'm nagging you. :)
[16:24] <blackboxsw> The following changes have landed in master; found via git log --since 05-05-2020 https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/d2qR8pTZNY/
[18:46] <AnhVoMSFT> @blackboxsw i think cloud-init doesn't really depend on the order of attached device since it's been using the device path (/dev/disk/...). I don't know if this is a new issue or if it has always been there. I can go back to older cloud-init version and check. Will file a bug
[19:10] <blackboxsw> thanks AnhVoMSFT
[19:18] <rharper> AnhVoMSFT: blackboxsw:  if you configure more than one additional disk, and provide a disk_setup, fs_setup and mounts;  the default merge behavior combines dictionaries, but lists are replaced, so  both disks go through disk_setup; but only one gets config for fs_setup and mounts
[19:18] <rharper> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KbWYh2jkPw/
[19:21] <rharper> AnhVoMSFT:  unfortunately, they'll need to replicate the built-in config with the additional disks;   https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2wkyvD2zhj/
[19:27] <rharper> if we changed mounts and fs_setup to also accept a dictionary; with the device-name or something to be an unique key; then, that would merge more cleanly by default  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4fWT9tGD7T/
[19:27] <rharper> blackboxsw: ^
[19:30] <blackboxsw> reading back
[19:33] <AnhVoMSFT> oh i see - so disk_setup currently accepts dictionary but fs_setup and mounts accept lists, that's the issue
[19:34] <AnhVoMSFT> thanks for the clarification @rharper
[19:39] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: sorry to miss that question about flake8. I have no objections to moving to flake8 from pyflakes. there was a flake8 dependency issue that a barely recall and I didn't have strong opinions about moving away from flake8 other than there were py3 dependency issues at the time for flake8 I believe.
[19:40] <blackboxsw> and rharper thanks, I have limited use of the cc_disk_setup module, and forgot how merging would affect additional disks.
[19:42] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: falcojr finally responded on https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/367 I think your suggestions are solid on the approach
[19:42] <blackboxsw> just some questions on whether we can include feature_overrides.py module in tip to better document our expected behavior on downstream ubuntu/* releases.
[19:47] <rharper> AnhVoMSFT: if you want to file a bug with that issue, we can discuss and see how much effort to support fs_setup/mounts as dictionaries would be
[19:48] <rharper> bug 1879552
[19:48] <rharper> good, you already did!
[19:48] <AnhVoMSFT> yep :)


[00:53] <eelstrebor> is dd a good alternate for clonezilla? i need to copy an existing drive to a new drive and it needs to be an exact copy and bootable.
[00:54] <oerheks> dd with progress && sync, sure
[00:54] <sarnold> dd clonezilla probably builds in some nice things about resizing filesystems or similar
[00:54] <sarnold> err, delete the "dd " from the start of my sentence :)
[01:07] <devslash> Is there a site or place I can check to know when I can upgrade to 24.04 from 23.10?
[01:08] <oerheks>  upgrade path is available with 24.04.1, somewhere in july
[01:08] <sarnold> devslash: easiest is to run the do-release-upgrade command periodically .. I think it will require do-release-upgrade -d    before 24.04.1 is released. I understand it's currently blocked due to some bugs. I *think* this is controlled by a file on a webserver somewhere, but it might be easier to just run the command
[01:09] <oerheks> we officially do not recommend to use the -d development option, but if you do, prepare an usb with a fresh 24.04 iso first
[01:10] <sarnold> I think this is the file https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts
[01:11] <oerheks> jups
[01:11] <devslash> Well that's not exactly what I meant
[01:13] <devslash> In the past I have had issues running do-rrlease-upgrade soon after a new version is released. It's happened a few times where I had to run some commands to repair the boot loader because it fails to boot after an upgrade
[01:13] <oerheks> as usual,  upgrade path is available with 24.04.1, somewhere in july
[01:14] <oerheks> tons of sites/blogs reviews that give the do-release-upgrade -d trick
[01:14] <oerheks> but i would wait
[01:17] <devslash> Oh I'm not rushing at all to upgrade. I'm on 23.10 and it doesn't sound like there are any features in 24.04 that I have to have right now
[01:17] <sarnold> just be sure to jump before 23.10 hits EOL
[01:18] <oerheks> sure you do !
[01:18] <oerheks> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/noble-numbat-release-notes/39890
[01:19] <oerheks> Games are no longer installed by default
[01:19] <oerheks> 🤪
[01:33] <itu> i have 2 gnome-terminal windows with several tabs running
[01:34] <itu> suddenly form first windows scrollbars just disappeared
[01:34] <itu> how to fix (without closing)?
[01:40] <sarnold> itu: the reptyr package might be able to help you move those programs to another terminal. it might also just kill them as part of trying to do what it does, I haven't tried it in ages.
[01:50] <itu> there are not so much running programs
[02:02] <itu> everytime i click  []scrollbar visible    both terminal windows shrink in width  ... very funny :-/
[02:05] <stuv> hey, someone still up ? i'm searching for the ytdl.py script, i only find pip install ytdl and that doesn't want to work because of: error: externally-managed-environment
[02:05] <itu> if i ever manage changing the scrollbar-width ... i theoretically should have solved the problem implicit
[02:06] <itu> stuv afaik the new yt-dl ist called yt-dlp
[02:07] <sarnold> sudo apt install yt-dlp
[02:11] <SuperLag> or by pip
[02:11] <SuperLag> I live by yt-dlp :D
[02:12] <SuperLag> Never can tell when The Powers That Be™ are going to pull a video, so I pull down all the stuff I like on a daily basis.
[02:14] <Aventra> sounds like that'd take a lot of storage lol
[02:14] <sarnold> a most excellent idea. I've lost too many videos that I liked just because I didn't do the same :(
[02:16] <SuperLag> Aventra: I have tens of TB at my disposal. And I just did a "du" on my videos directory. It's taking up about 4.8TB
[02:17] <SuperLag> Aventra: storage is cheap cheap cheap
[02:17] <SuperLag> Aventra: a Syno 1821+ w/8x8TB, and a Syno 923+ with 4x8TB.
[02:19] <Aventra> SuperLag: wow!
[02:20] <SuperLag> Aventra: one is shared storage for non-VM stuffs, and backups for local machines. One is shared storage just for VMs.
[02:41] <itu> (suddenly i managed to get back the scrollbar .. eventually with opening a third window )
[02:43] <sarnold> ha :) I didn't expect that
[03:00] <SuperLag> sarnold: question for you, sir.
[03:01] <SuperLag> is it expected that resolutions you set in an RDP session should be honored?
[03:01] <sarnold> SuperLag: heh, sorry, i've never seen rdp before :(
[03:01] <SuperLag> I turned on desktop sharing, and RPD'd in, and then tried to set both 4K res, and fractional scaling… and *SIGH*
[03:02] <sarnold> man, just what kind of network traffic would that take?
[03:03] <SuperLag> I'm not sure. Windows to Windows seems to do just fine. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[03:03] <sarnold> wow
[03:04] <sarnold> are they sending Windows protocol messages instead of pixels/ it feels like they'd have to be..
[03:38] <geeky> is telegraf now a snap on 24.04?
[03:41] <LuckyMan> geeky, type snap info telegraf
[03:46] <geeky> thanks, was trying to follow the lma stack doc on ubuntu.com and the apt install telegraf step failed
[04:02] <Ali_nz> Trying to install ctypes
[04:02] <Ali_nz> (andrej) PS C:\Users\AlGrant\andrej_branch\test_fft> pip install ctypes
[04:02] <Ali_nz> ERROR: Could not find a version that satisfies the requirement ctypes (from versions: none)
[04:02] <Ali_nz> ERROR: No matching distribution found for ctypes
[04:30] <illuminated> so I installed ubuntu cloud, I think it was, a few weeks ago.  I never installed it before, so I think that's what it was called.  I installed it just because I don't want to do anything with it other than run a few docker images.  Anyway, I noticed on it there is a docker.io package in the repo, but that does not seem to be installed per a apt list --installed | grep docker.io, yet the docker runtime is already there
[04:30] <illuminated> along with a docker network interface.  Does it just come pre-loaded with docker runtime without the docker.io package installed or am I missing something?
[05:19] <roadkill> I'm experiencing the black screen on reboot issue with my desktop after updating a nightly 24.04, wiping disk and installing 24.04 as well. First boot after installation, everything is fine. Reboot and system hangs on a black screen after some initial messages. Using Radeon 6800XT with Ryzen 5 5600X CPU. I've seen several mentions of similar issues, tried the nomodeset workaround to no success. Has there
[05:19] <roadkill> been any other methods to fix this issue discovered yet?
[05:20] <dlsnd> help, I no longer have gui anymore
[05:20] <roadkill> Using Mainline to update the latest kernel also did not resolve my issue. Nor has booting to safe mode first then restarting. The problem always comes back.
[05:21] <dlsnd> how can I fix gui again?
[05:45] <roadkill> Well. I can confirm it's an AMDGPU issue. Swapped out my Radeon 6800XT for a GeForce 1070 I had in storage and everything works fine on reboot. No blackscreen. Seems to jibe with the reports in the bugtracker about people having blackscreen issues: Most (all?) use AMD based GPUs.
[05:45] <roadkill> Wiped, reinstalled, tried to duplicate the issue on multiple reboots. Cannot duplicate with the 1070. Swapped out the GPUs. Got the black screen on second reboot with the 6800XT.
[05:46] <roadkill> Cannot get desktop back with the AMD card installed. Got it back when I swapped the 1070 back in.
[05:46] <roadkill> Last thing I did before I experienced this issue was apt update, about 3 days before the 24.04 release using a nightly iso.
[06:51] <int33h> Morning in ubuntu 24.04 and also caracal cloud repo cephadm complains about cephadmlib, have anyone tried ceph in 24.04
[06:56] <dlsnd> why does gdm3 service not doing anything and exiting?
[07:45] <dananjaya> how to install sinhala
[08:02] <lotuspsychje> roadkill: try a previous kernel version as a test?
[08:38] <MadLamb> I am having some issues with a thunderbolt 4 dock, and I got a brand new cable. The dock is showing as disconnected on boltctl list.
[08:40] <MadLamb> ad
[08:40] <MadLamb> sad
[08:40] <MadLamb> asd
[08:40] <MadLamb> a
[08:40] <MadLamb> sd
[08:40] <MadLamb> asd
[09:03] <ph88> where can i download the binary of this directly? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rust-alacritty/0.13.2-1ubuntu1
[09:08] <ravage> The binary package built from it is linked on that page
[10:12] <Niklas_E_> is there any good webmail clients for nginx or apache?
[10:15] <ravage> I don't think the webserver that shows you the html content matters
[10:33] <Guest5> Hi, is there no upgrade from 22.04 to 24.04 yet?
[10:34] <Guest5> I can get to 23.10 by changing LTS to normal in "release-upgrades" but cannot see 24.04?
[10:37] <lotuspsychje> Guest5: upgrade path might take a while to open usualy
[10:37] <lotuspsychje> Guest5: and its also not really reccomended to upgrade right now
[10:39] <Guest5> OK, I'm only doing this because the new installer doesn't have the ability to select LVs in manual partitioning, so had to install using 22.04. But this new Asus g16 doesn't seem to work with nvidia drivers on this earlier LTS.
[10:39] <Guest5> Guess I'll try to upgrade to 23.10 and see if everything works there
[10:40] <lotuspsychje> Guest5: LTS upgrade from 22.04 will be available in august when 24.04.1 releases
[10:42] <Guest5> I don't understand why if there is a major decision to be made to switch to another installer, that all functionality of the old one isn't implemented before releasing it...
[10:44] <lotuspsychje> Guest5: the new installer is new, hence needs more improvement
[10:44] <Guest5> Then don't switch to it
[10:44] <lotuspsychje> the devs surely have their reasons to switch to a new one
[10:45] <Guest5> They haven't considered it blocks many people from installing the distro altogether, shocking decision.
[10:45] <Guest5> Make sure it works and replicated historic functionality before making such a major switch
[10:46] <lotuspsychje> clean install should work Guest5
[10:46] <Guest5> Many people have reported this and they are calling it "feature requests"...
[10:46] <lotuspsychje> and if the user needs the LTS route, await 24.04.1 for a stable experience
[10:47] <Guest5> lotuspsychje it doesn't work, they haven't implemented the ability to select logical volumes from manual partitioning
[10:48] <lotuspsychje> did you try clean install Guest5 ?
[10:48] <Guest5> When was subiquity introduced?
[10:48] <Guest5> lotuspsychje what do you mean clean install, that's exactly what I'm referring to here. The change of installer doesn't have the ability to manual partition as previous one did
[10:49] <Guest5> So you cannot properly implement FDE where boot is also encrpyted etc
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> there are a few bugs still indeed, read the releasenotes
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> !noble
[10:49] <Guest5> Its not s bug, they just didn't implement this, but its been possible for years and years in the old installer.
[10:50] <Guest5> Stupid decision, end of!
[10:50] <lotuspsychje> nothing the volunteers can do about here Guest5
[10:50] <lotuspsychje> we try to help where we can, with the release there is
[10:51] <Guest5> In didn't come to complain about it but that's what happened, I came to see if it was possible to upgrade having used the old installer on 22.04.
[10:51] <Guest5> This new hardware doesnt seem to like 22.04, so I must upgrade some way. Trying 23.10 now.
[10:52] <lotuspsychje> i upgraded from 23.10 to 24.04 at early stage, to help debug the devel cycle
[10:52] <lotuspsychje> but that was with -d in my case
[10:53] <Guest5> Maybe that'll show up once I'm on 23.10. But if 23.10 works I'll.happily stay there.
[10:53] <Guest5> 22.04 live CD graphics don't work on this new laptop, but the 24.04 worked fine.
[10:53] <Guest5> Hopefully 23.10 is enough
[10:54] <lotuspsychje> Guest5: what you could try on 22.04 is the !HWE kernel see if your graphics work there
[10:55] <Guest5> OK thanks will try that
[10:55] <lotuspsychje> !hwe | Guest5
[10:55] <lotuspsychje> Guest5: install 22.04 physicaly, then if you cant get in, enter via grub/recoverymode and install the HWE kernel
[10:56] <Guest5> Yea I was there, I tried all the nvidia drivers even the new graphics-drivers PPA, didn't know about the kernel option so will try that if 23.10 doesn't work (assume it will though)
[10:57] <lotuspsychje> allrighty good luck
[11:56] <cosmicrajiv> Hi all. I am thinking off coming back to ubuntu with 24.04. Is snap ok nowadays?
[11:57] <cosmicrajiv> I mean are apps from snaps perform good?
[11:59] <cosmicrajiv> anyone?
[12:06] <GSMarquis> Ubuntu started compressing linux-firmware files in 23.10?
[12:19] <jeremy31> GSMarquis: I think that is correct
[12:57] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:11] <mort> What's the Ubuntu package for GNU Lightning?
[14:15] <leftyfb> mort: it doesn't look to me like it is available anywhere but the gnu ftp server
[14:48] <JanC> well, supposedly GNU Smalltalk, GNU Guile & CLISP (can? optionally?) use GNU Lightning, but from what I understand Guile uses an embedded fork of it, and maybe that's also true for the others?
[15:05] <DarkWitcher> Hello
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> welcome DarkWitcher
[15:07] <DarkWitcher> I was messaging yesterday about a problem with PipeWire on Ubuntu 24.04 on an XPS 9560. Basically, whenever I restart the laptop, I get dummy output. However, I found out that if I restart it with a USB audio card in it, the internal sound card gets registered and is on after the restart.
[15:08] <DarkWitcher> At this point I am absolutely not sure how to fix it. Any help would be much appreciated!
[15:13] <lubuntu> hello
[15:22] <kzar> Sorry if this is a common question, multiple guides online say to try `sudo do-release-upgrade -d` to upgrade from 22.04 to 24.04, but that reports "There is no development version of an LTS available." for me. I know the upgrade process still has some rough edges, but is there a way to give it a try anyway?
[15:26] <ogra_> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/dont-upgrade-to-ubuntu-24-04-yet
[15:30] <kzar> ogra_: Right, I've read some of those posts. But it seems at least some folks were able to upgrade. So is the above command wrong, or has the upgrade been disabled?
[15:32] <ogra_> nope, but you are coming from an LTS and there is indeed no development LTS around currently (since 24.04 became stable) so the message is not wrong 🙂
[15:32] <respawn> there will not be uprades yet
[15:33] <ogra_> here is the official buglist FWIW https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/noble-numbat-24-04-release-status-tracking/44043#current-blockers-for-enabling-upgrades-from-jammy-7
[15:36] <ioria> kzar, grep Prompt /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades   what it says ?
[15:42] <WeeBey> Hi peeps. Just got 24.04 and I'm unable to install nvidia drivers through the proprietary drivers panel in 'software updates'. 550 gives an empty error box with just an "x"; 545 fails complaining about nvidia-dkms-545..
[15:42] <WeeBey> Is there one that you have noticed works?
[15:46] <WeeBey> I have tried starting from scratch a few times. i have purged all nvidia and cuda.
[15:46] <WeeBey> At this point, I just want basic driver functionality.  :-(
[15:48] <kzar> ioria: It says "lts". If I change it to "normal" and run the `sudo do-release-upgrade` I'm offered to upgrade to 23.10, but not 24.04.
[15:48] <respawn> upgrade is not availible yet
[15:49] <ioria> well, i did it some times ago
[15:49] <WeeBey> Nvidia driver porblem: I see some suggestion about using 535 instead. Ugh. Another reboot and another attempt.
[15:49] <WeeBey> Why do I always adopt so early? I get excited and then 50% of my stuff stops working. Haha
[15:49] <kzar> ioria: Right, that's why I'm here asking questions. Some folks have upgraded, or at least tried to. So I'm wondering if the command I was using was wrong, or if the upgrade was just disabled since then somehow
[15:50] <WeeBey> vbox + vmware don't work either.
[15:50] <WeeBey> kzar, what is the command you used?
[15:50] <kzar> WeeBey: Well, I tried a few including `sudo do-release-upgrade -d`
[15:50] <WeeBey> kzar, i just did that yesterday morning and it worked.
[15:50] <WeeBey> i was on 23.10, however.
[15:51] <kzar> WeeBey: OK thanks that's good to know.
[15:51] <ioria> kzar, some ppas installed ?
[15:51] <WeeBey> kzar, btw
[15:51] <WeeBey> my upgrade crashed
[15:51] <WeeBey> left the entire system broke and unconfigure
[15:52] <WeeBey> thankfully an apt update from tty suggested just running the confguration of all packages and everything got back to normal.
[15:53] <WeeBey> ok. restart time
[15:53] <kzar> OK, well thanks everyone I'm going to assume the upgrade is being hidden now. E.g. because this says "Supported: 0" or something like that https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-development . Thanks for the help, good luck fixing your system WeeBey
[15:56] <mandem0110> What *exact* kernel is 24.04 using?
[16:00] <WeeBey> Well then.. Today I learned that newer drivers don't work for the graphics chip on this laptop. I have to use 535 and not 545 or 550.
[16:00] <mybalzitch> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/introducing-kernel-6-8-for-the-24-04-noble-numbat-release/41958 some flavour of 6.9
[16:00] <mybalzitch> *6.8
[16:01] <WeeBey> also, i noticed at login the settings for choosing wayland or xorg is gone. At least it's defaulting to xorg.
[16:01] <mybalzitch> so the kernels shipped in the release images will have the stable updates up to 6.8.1, plus a few cherry picked patches from stable.
[16:02] <WeeBey> another FYI: virtualbox doesn't work on 24.04  ( sigh...)
[16:02] <WeeBey> neither does vmware workstation pro 17.
[16:05] <careybalboa> hello world!
[16:08] <tomreyn> hello carey
[16:08] <tomreyn> WeeBey: try qemu-kvm
[16:09] <careybalboa> hola tom!
[16:09] <WeeBey> tomreyn, :-|
[16:09] <rfm> WeeBey, the session selector is still there for me.  I do have to select the user first, then the gear is there on the password screen
[16:10] <careybalboa> so i was soooo excited for the new 24.04 release I marked my calender and looked around Nashville (where I live) for any nerdy celebrations and nada ha ha.
[16:10] <int33h> have anyone tried ceph in 24.04 ?
[16:10] <tomreyn> WeeBey: i'm guessing that wayland isn't setup if the installer detects somewhat current nvidia hardware. bt that's just a wild guess.
[16:10] <WeeBey> rmf yea.. it's gone It's odd.
[16:10] <WeeBey> tomreyn, I wasn't there with nouveau either.
[16:11] <WeeBey> Not sure why. Not a problem though since I don't use wayland
[16:11] <careybalboa> and then update-manager did not offer me the release and i found out im suppossed to wait until august 15th, is that correct?
[16:11] <WeeBey> ok. At least nvidia driver is installed. I think... lol
[16:13] <JanC> LTS-to-LTS upgrades only happen after the .1 release
[16:14] <JanC> if you are on 23.10 it should happen earlier (but not for everyone at the same time)
[16:14] <careybalboa> yeah I got a little too nerd excited.
[16:15] <careybalboa> thats ok, aug 17th is my birthday so ill wait
[16:15] <rbox> its just some updated packages
[16:15] <JanC> also, if you want "nerdy celebrations", someone has to organise them--it could be you!  :)
[16:15] <rbox> its not a cure for cancer
[16:15] <WeeBey> careybalboa, just format and reinstall. :-)
[16:16] <WeeBey> rbox, lol
[16:16] <careybalboa> well now we are closer to proving that we are in the Matrix https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environment/a60553384/covid-simulation/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR28RYHY9zlbqCaGrpWjr5OKsMJLnJWgkwRsIeH_J9hY2Iv5FZP-yKUvZwQ_aem_ARiUGr2Dwj13w1FtNRh7nVCDcejQ3IC9OucYxjYUpvjfVl11lCRDyTcErdIYL_UKYS8mU9GqdTtZgTIj7xf4MX8z
[16:16] <WeeBey> well, for the time being, I can't use my virtual machines.  They work if i boot to kernel 6.5 but I don't know if this will break nvidia again.
[16:17] <tomreyn> careybalboa: please don't post links unrelated to ubuntu support here
[16:17] <careybalboa> oh sorry
[16:18] <tomreyn> no worries, we just do support here, but there are other channels
[16:19] <careybalboa> oh yeah, in a recent support case I noticed the file uploader to the right on the support webpage does not function, the rep did not get my uploads even tho i got a confirmation...
[16:26] <cosmicrajiv> How is firefox performance in ubuntu 24.04?
[16:27] <oerheks> Depends on the website, good.
[16:27] <CosmicDJ> cosmicrajiv: define performance
[16:27] <cosmicrajiv> CosmicD3: I mean the default firefox from snap
[16:29] <cosmicrajiv> because i am thinking of coming back to ubuntu. previously with ubuntu 22.04 it was not good like its starting time and such things
[16:30] <CosmicDJ> cosmicrajiv: i dont have numbers but it felt slow for me, so i replaced the snap with https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/install-firefox-linux#w_install-firefox-deb-package-for-debian-based-distributions
[16:31] <cosmicrajiv> Cosmic: ok
[16:31] <cosmicrajiv> So, is thunderbird also behaves like that?
[16:32] <oerheks> only you can answer that, on your hardware?
[16:33] <cosmicrajiv> oerheks. yeah. you are right only i can answer that but don't you give me an approximation for that.
[16:33] <int33h> cephadm seems to be a bit broken in 24.04 (it was in caracal cloud repo also) anyone got a fix for that ?
[16:36] <oerheks> int33h, if you are hit by this, add yourself to get it confrmed?
[16:36] <oerheks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ceph/+bug/2063456
[16:36] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2063456 in ceph (Ubuntu) "package cephadm: dependency 'cephadmlib' missing" [Undecided, New]
[16:36] <oerheks> cephadmlib missing
[16:38] <cosmicrajiv> CosmicD3; How do i uninstall firefox snap completely (with all its dependency)?
[16:38] <int33h> @oerheks yepp thats the one, doing a rebuild from source now
[16:38] <oerheks> snap remove <x>
[16:40] <cosmicrajiv> oerheks; thanks
[16:57] <loswedseded> 24.04 has already been released, correct?
[16:58] <oerheks> iso's yes, upgrade path: no
[16:58] <tomreyn> yes, as accessing https://ubuntu.com would tell
[16:59] <ongolaboy> loswedseded: yes. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2024-April/000301.html
[17:02] <ongolaboy> it's been a while I have not installed ubuntu .. How do you perform a netinstall nowadays? I no longer see an 'installer-$ARCH/current/images in the repository
[17:02] <oerheks> mini iso, or server https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mini-iso/daily-live/
[17:05] <ongolaboy> oerheks: thank you
[17:21] <webchat7> Hi guys, need some help. i had a issue with the settings not showing text until i point it out with mouse
[17:22] <ioria> webchat7, font issue maybe; try to change it
[17:24] <webchat7> same thing, changing font in tweak not fix it
[17:25] <ioria> webchat7, what release ?
[17:25] <webchat7> 24.04 lts..
[17:27] <ioria> webchat7, dpkg -l | grep fonts-ubuntu
[17:28] <webchat7> ioria, this is the output
[17:28] <webchat7> dpkg -l | grep fonts-ubuntu
[17:28] <webchat7> ii  fonts-ubuntu                                  0.869+git20240321-0ubuntu1               all          sans-serif font set from Ubuntu
[17:30] <ioria> webchat7, gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.interface monospace-font-name
[17:31] <webchat7> ioria, gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.interface monospace-font-name
[17:31] <webchat7> 'Ubuntu Sans Mono 13'
[17:31] <ioria> webchat7, gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface monospace-font-name 'Ubuntu Mono 13'
[17:33] <webchat7> ioria, done but still the same..
[17:33] <webchat7> should i try rebooting my pc?
[17:34] <oerheks> or make it bigger?
[17:34] <ioria> webchat7, nope, does it happen only in Settings or in all interfaces text ?
[17:35] <webchat7> ioria, it does happen in Settings, Files, or any gnome apps (i think)
[17:37] <ioria> webchat7, well, you can restore the old fonts pkg (fonts-ubuntu-classic), but it will remove the spinning splash  (you can reinstall it, btw)
[17:38] <webchat7> ioria, this is my second fresh install. same things happened on the first installation.
[17:39] <ioria> webchat7, so, let's try it : sudo apt install fonts-ubuntu-classic
[17:40] <oerheks> system specs ?
[17:41] <webchat7> ioria, still same..
[17:41] <ioria> webchat7, sudo apt install --reinstall plymouth-theme-spinner plymouth-label  and reboot
[17:42] <webchat7> oerheks CPU, AMD R5 3500x with Gpu nvidia k5200 and 16gb
[17:45] <webchat7> ioria, done reboot but still the same
[17:45] <ioria> webchat7, ok, purge fonts-ubuntu-classic and reinstall fonts-ubuntu
[17:49] <webchat7> ioria, not working.. but i just found out that it is ok if i maximize the apps, when i make the apps windowed all the fonts is missing
[17:51] <oerheks> int33h, https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/24/04/27/043219/the-ceph-community-now-stores-1000-petabytes-in-its-open-source-storage-solution
[17:52] <ioria> webchat7, i doubt it's a driver issue, but easy to test; can you reboot with 'nomodeset' ?
[17:54] <Guest30> Any yaml for automated ubuntu installation?
[17:56] <webchat7> Guest30, just interactive installation
[17:56] <webchat7> ioria, rebooting it now
[18:02] <int33h> oerheks: im planing on migrating from vmware to openstack / ceph so in the process of building a test system
[18:04] <oerheks> I have 0.05 petabyte storage
[18:06] <int33h> oerheks: in total i think im on 2 petabyte raw storage but that includes backups
[18:15] <WeeBey> ok new question. I can't compile some stuff (vbox) and the error makes no sense to me: https://pastebin.com/thqGZqGm
[18:15] <cbreak> hmm... so... 24.04 is still unsafe to upgrade to?
[18:15] <WeeBey> it's a warning that im not using the same gcc as was used for the kernel
[18:15] <WeeBey> but... it's the same! innit?
[18:15] <WeeBey> (aside from file name?)
[18:16] <ice9> so "current" is the latest version of that snap right? so why it doesn't delete older versions after "snap refresh"? https://pastebin.mozilla.org/h0y2dq3h
[18:17] <oerheks> snap keeps 2 or 3 versions .
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> cbreak: better clean install, or await 24.04.1 indeed
[18:17] <cbreak> hmm :(
[18:18] <lotuspsychje> cbreak: and read the !noble releasenotes before you give it a go
[18:18] <cbreak> yeah, I did, that's why I haven't updated yet... :/
[18:18] <cbreak> I hoped to be able to do that this or next weekend
[18:18] <cbreak> want to change the cluster at work in major ways, and that'd be a good time to update the OS too
[18:19] <cbreak> it seems the problems are in part related to the nonsensical snap transition for thunderbird
[18:19] <cbreak> which shouldn't be an issue for servers
[18:19] <WeeBey> I am seeing a couple bugs already. It's been a day.
[18:21] <oerheks> but noble gives virtualbox .. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/noble/+source/virtualbox
[18:21] <ice9> oerheks, does flatpak do the same?
[18:21] <oerheks> ice9, not sure it does or can.
[18:21] <webchat7> ioria, im back. i tried to boot into nomodeset but it not working, i also tried to remove nvidia driver and reinstall but still same issue occurred.
[18:22] <webchat7> i think i just play with it for awhile and wait for new updates
[18:22] <oerheks> one can limit snap versions, snap set system refresh.retain=N   # where N cannot be less than two.
[18:24] <ioria> webchat7, i still  think it's a font problem; maybe you can try again to change them or install some
[18:25] <WeeBey> i may need to switch to kvm like tomreym suggested ...
[18:25] <ravage> sudo apt install virt-manager
[18:27] <webchat7> ioria, anyway thanks for your help
[18:27] <WeeBey> oerheks, thanks for that tip. i removed the installed virtualbox (.run file install) and am getting it from repo. Seems to be building ...
[18:28] <WeeBey> before, repo only had virtualbox 6.x
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> webchat7: can you make a pic of what your distortion looks like?
[18:30] <webchat7> lotuspsychje, here you go https://ibb.co/Jpj7tSp
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> wow thats empty
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> webchat7: did you try a theme switch yet?
[18:31] <webchat7> and this for files https://ibb.co/vjpCDv6
[18:31] <webchat7> lotuspsychje, no, its still in a fresh install
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> try switching via gnome-tweaks
[18:33] <WeeBey> yay oerheks thanks! it works.
[18:33] <WeeBey> i'll try to stick to the repo as much as i can
[18:33] <oerheks> have fun!
[19:31] <cores> Assuming I have a external USB hard drive larger than my laptop hard drive, what's the easiest way to back up my Ubuntu system?
[19:32] <cores> Single boot Ubuntu 20.04 install, no separate /home partition, UEFI I think
[19:32] <cores> luckily i have more than one USB-C port on the machine (Dell XPS 13)
[19:33] <cores> I want to back up _everything_, not just the stuff in my /home
[19:33] <ravage> for a full backup try rescuezilla
[19:33] <oerheks> dd the disk from a live session, so the hdd is not in use
[19:33] <oerheks> or just clone packages
[19:33] <oerheks> !clone
[19:33] <oerheks> !backup
[19:34] <ravage> you need to boot rescuezilla from a thumbdrive or network though
[19:34] <cores> ravage, right, i was hoping to avoid that but that makes sense
[19:35] <cores> oerheks, thanks
[19:35] <oerheks> have fun!
[19:41] <bprompt> cores: cloneZilla is one that's pretty well known, it runs off a liveUSB , and does the "imaging" of the partition or HD, and your backup type is called "imaging" btw
[19:42] <ravage> clonezilla is rescuezilla without the GUI
[19:42] <ravage> or well. text based only
[19:45] <cores> bprompt, ravage, yes I saw that. I'd rather use the GUI so I might try Rescuezilla
[19:45] <bprompt> cores: I think you misread ravage, he said rescuezilla is CLI, not GUI
[19:46] <ravage> no?
[19:46] <bprompt> cores: why the backup btw?   20.04 has one more year :)
[19:46] <oerheks> rescuezilla gives the gui ..
[19:47] <ravage> i think he already checked out the websites
[19:47] <bprompt> ravage: oooh rats, nevermind, "I" misread you =)
[19:47] <ravage> so he know what is what
[19:47] <oerheks> backup of snaps is pretty useless
[19:48] <ravage> true. i do it anyway 😄
[19:48] <cores> bprompt, I have spent too much time installing, configuring and tweaking this system. I'd be very mad if I had to do it all over from scratch.
[19:49] <ravage> i like setting up a new LTS
[19:49] <ravage> fresh install. mount my old backup. restore what i need and improve on the old setup
[19:51] <bprompt> cores: well, mind you that mine setup comes all the way back from 12.04 I think, maybe even earlier, what I do is mostly backup $HOME, about 90% of my configurations are there, most of it in ~/.local or ~/.config, and I install from scratch quite often, copy over my $HOME which I have in a 512gbs USB stick with a bunch of other things, and  my configurations is mostly there, I have to do, not much
[19:53] <bprompt> cores: and I "tar" the files, because that keeps permissions and filenames intact, so I can move an ext4 structure in a tarred file to whatever, ExFat, fat32 or ntfs
[19:58] <Erotemic> I've got a fresh install of the first 24.04 release, and I'm seeing strange behavior related to super+arrow keys and the enhanced tiling. I've disabled tiling popups and tiling groups, but I like the quad blocks.
[19:58] <Erotemic> The issue is when I'm moving around windows, sometimes the orange shading that indicates what a window will resize to will persist even after I'm done with the adjustment. I'm not sure how to reproduce yet, but it's happened several times. Not sure if I'll be able to take a screenshot or not. I'd like to report this, but I'm looking for the best
[19:58] <Erotemic> way to do so.
[20:00] <Erotemic> Oh, right now it's continuing to display the monitor icons "1", "2", and "3". I'm not sure why they popped up, but they're just sitting there. I was able to screengrab it, but I don't know what other diagnostic information I could provide to report something like this.
[20:01] <Erotemic> Moving around windows didn't seem to do anything, but the monitor indicators did disappear when I hit a different category in the "settings" gui.
[20:02] <Erotemic> Ok, so the the monitor indicator issue appears to just be the normal behavior when you have the "Ubuntu Desktop" category selected in settings. That's fine I guess.
[20:03] <tomreyn> describing the issue well textually, especially what is and isn't reproducible, and adding screenshots (maybe even short openly encoded videos) should help. together with an ubuntu-bug created bug report against, i guess, gnome-shell.
[20:03] <tomreyn> i mean you just described it well, just need to repeat in the bug report
[20:04] <ravage> I think I experienced that too now that you described it
[20:04] <ravage> I have the extended tiling disabled right now
[20:05] <ravage> Will try to enable it again soon. Please link then bug should you report it
[20:05] <tomreyn> make sure that the most relevant environment info will be included: graphics server (Xorg or wayland), graphics driver, ubuntu version and flavor, customizations you made to the desktop etc.
[20:07] <tomreyn> yesterday someone was reporting having graphical glitches (sounding similar to these) with 22.04 on an external monitor with amdgpu
[20:07] <ravage> i had the issues during the xz phase of 24.04 so i did not think too much of it
[20:08] <ravage> and just have never enabled it since then
[20:09] <Erotemic> Made a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/2063970
[20:09] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2063970 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Enhanced tiling orange shading that indicates what a window will resize to will persist even after I'm done with the adjustment." [Undecided, New]
[20:09] <ravage> oh i actually have "Actice Screen Edges" enabled. that is what causing problems for you?
[20:09] <Erotemic> Also, it's weirdly difficult to copy messages from this chat.
[20:09] <ravage> i do not use any of the other options like "hot corner"
[20:10] <Erotemic> Where is "active screen edges"? In the settings?
[20:10] <bprompt> Erotemic: shouldn't be, depending on the IRC client you use
[20:11] <Erotemic> It's the browser based webchat one. Minor annoyance.
[20:13] <Erotemic> I don't see "Active Screen Edges" or "Hot Corner" options. I seem to remember seeing them, but I don't see them at the moment, they are still available in 24.04 via the settings menu?
[20:14] <ravage> yes but i think i found what you mean
[20:14] <ravage> the advanced tiling at "Ubuntu Desktop"
[20:14] <ravage> the settings i described are at "Multitasking"
[20:15] <ravage> and it looks like those get disabled when you enable the advanced tiling
[20:15] <Erotemic> Yes, "Enhanced Tiling" is on. but "Tiling Popup" is off, and "Tile Groups" is off.
[20:15] <Erotemic> Ah, I see them now. I have "Hot Corner" off, and "Active Screen Edges" off.
[20:16] <ravage> i enabled the advanced tiling now. seems do replace the orher option maybe. i will see if i get any bugs
[20:16] <ravage> wayland with nvidia on 2 monitors here
[20:16] <Erotemic> I was able to turn on/off "Active Screen Edges" while enhanced tiling was enabled.
[20:16] <Erotemic> didn't seem to effect anything
[20:17] <ravage> i like the tiling popup one
[20:18] <Erotemic> Tiling popup really annoyed me when I first saw it. I'm so glad it was easy to turn off. You lose focus of the window you are resizing when you do it. I move things around so often it adds non-trivial overhead to my workflow.
[20:24] <dlsnd> I reinstalled gdm3 and it came back; ubuntu is really *rded
[20:25] <younder> Hardly ever use resize. Just the snap left, right or top options.
[20:39] <scoffin> how to set up focus-follows-mouse in 2404 ??
[20:43] <Martiini> scoffin, KDE settings
[20:43] <scoffin> uhh.... don't think default ubuntu install uses kde ??
[20:45] <Martiini> I've always used KDE - best desktop. .. linux geeks use i3 - efficient keyboard controlled desktop .. etc
[20:45] <Martiini> KDE is the only desktop for me, for sure
[20:46] <scoffin> ok.  does this mean that gnome does not support focus-follows-mouse ?
[20:46] <Martiini> Google it
[20:47] <scoffin> yeah, goggle has about 50 different ideas, none seem to work :-)
[20:48] <roadkill> Whelp. I can confirm that the kernel that ships with 24.04 is broken for some AMD GPU based configurations. Both my laptop and desktop boot to black screen after first reboot unless you downgrade the kernel before you reboot again.
[20:48] <Martiini> I use Arch linux + KDE on lenovo laptop
[20:49] <scoffin> control panels that don't exist, additional apps that don't seem to exist, etc
[20:49] <GSMarquis> The navi31 32 33 family cards have been updated in linux-firmware. Just need to be pulled by distro for updates.
[20:50] <roadkill> I have Navi 21.
[20:50] <roadkill> 6800XT in the Desktop
[20:51] <roadkill> Black screen issue started last week after I updated the 24.04 nightly I was running.
[20:51] <Martiini> roadkill, I compiled linux-tkg kernel on Arch
[20:51] <GSMarquis> The last week a ton of commits to the firmware bin files was done.
[20:52] <roadkill> Downgrading to 6.7.10 was enough to fix the issue on my end.
[20:52] <roadkill> Highly frustrating, however.
[20:53] <oerheks> Navi31  Navi33 roadkill you encountered this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-firmware/+bug/2063417
[20:53] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2063417 in linux-oem-6.5 (Ubuntu Jammy) "Fix system hang while entering suspend with AMD Navi3x graphics" [Undecided, In Progress]
[20:54] <oerheks> with some fixes in the answers
[20:54] <GSMarquis> LOL There is another one.
[20:54] <roadkill> oerheks: The blackscreen hang occurs on reboots, not suspend.
[20:54] <roadkill> GSMarquis: Looking at the new tracker entries, so many black screen + amdgpu reports now.
[20:54] <GSMarquis> When I went 24.04 sleep mode lock and turns fans full. I have a 7900 GRE.
[20:55] <tomreyn> roadkill: can you file a bug report (or have you already)?
[20:57] <roadkill> tomreyn: now that I've been able to identify a fix after several reinstalls to isolate the issue (swapped my 6800XT with my GeForce 1070, did fresh install, nomodeset in grub, etc...) I plan to do just that.
[20:57] <roadkill> Downgrading the kernel was all that I needed to do in my case.
[21:00] <roadkill> GSMarquis: For what it's worth, no 100% fans on wake from suspend with my 6800XT after the kernel downgrade.
[21:01] <roadkill> Seems to me the last minute changes before releasing 24.04 was ill advised. This bug bit me days before release.
[21:04] <GSMarquis> If I put a 6700xt in from another machine its fine.
[21:04] <tomreyn> roadkill: great, i would appreciate you sharing the bug id once it's been reported.
[21:05] <bprompt> roadkill:  they usually say April something, reliable bet is May 1st, though I may not get it till July, my understanding is that the July version is more robust, less buggy    ---- repost from another channel
[21:07] <quidnunc> Is thumbnail creation in nautilus broken for anyone else?
[21:07] <GSMarquis> I rember in the past I pulled an updated bin from linux-firmware git and slipped it in myself. They seem to be zst compressed now.
[21:33] <paradox> al
[21:33] <paradox> help
[21:34] <paradox> lfeenf
[21:39] <luna_3> 23.10 can I put an image on my desktop I want to be able to more it around, great if I could size it too, but justa rectangle not the background.??
[21:39] <luna_3> gnome
[21:41] <bprompt> luna_3: w0t?
[21:41] <bprompt> luna_3: can you have a floating rectangle about?
[21:50] <luna_3> I remember in the past Iused to be able to have an image on my desktop. (Not what I want but think mayabe a picture of your daughter.) You could move it around like any icon. Not part of the background.  bprompt
[21:50] <luna_3> And hopefully bigger than an icon size.
[21:51] <luna_3> Sreaming it would be nice if it had a choice of uner or over the icons but that's a dream not my question.
[21:54] <bprompt> luna_3: hmmm what its use though?
[21:54] <JoeLlama> what is the best way to integrate software RAID 1 in ubuntu?
[21:55] <bprompt> luna_3: I mean, you can just load an image in imagemagick and have it floating and move as  you wish =)
[21:55] <rbox> JoeLlama: what do you mean "integrate"
[21:56] <JoeLlama> oh I meant install
[21:56] <JoeLlama> thanks rbox
[21:56] <rbox> you want to install raid 1?
[21:56] <JoeLlama> I do rbox two SSDs
[21:57] <rbox> huh?
[21:57] <JoeLlama> SSDs those are solid state drives
[22:00] <JoeLlama> rbox I'm setting up RAID 1 with two SSD drives...  I'm looking for the best way to do that in software...  I saw mdadm out there
[22:00] <rbox> yes, mdadm
[22:01] <JoeLlama> oh ok
[22:20] <kj> hi all
[22:21] <kj> testing ubuntu cinnamon 24.4
[22:21] <kj> gl...
[22:25]  * xFCFFDFFFFEFFFAF testing gl ... 40%
[22:28] <zph0nx> is there a way to disable the "Welcome to ubuntu" dialog that pops up when no user has been added to the system? we are using ldap on our side, and we clear out our initial user with puppet, this makes ubuntu log straight into "welcome to ubuntu" dialog that asks to add a user after a reboot.
[22:53] <debarshi-kundu> Hello! I am trying to become an ubuntu developer! Where should I start?
[22:54] <JoeLlama> I would suspect typing in ubuntu developer to google
[22:54] <oerheks> register on launchpad.
[22:54] <xFCFFDFFFFEFFFAF> suspects found .. arresting
[22:54] <JoeLlama> that too (:
[22:55] <oerheks> then type !contribute
[22:56] <semitones> Hey everyone... using apt upgrade on a server that has unnatended-upgrades configured... got a weird dpkg error I don't know what to do with -- and the process has not ended in a while. http://pastie.org/p/5XLuabLn8nXcfuUbAawqQo
[22:56] <debarshi-kundu> I tried to register my PGP key on Launchpad, but it does not accept it for some reason. I already synced to the default ubuntu servers
[22:56] <oerheks> signed CoC ?
[22:57] <oerheks> !coc
[23:03] <tomreyn> semitones: this looks like a packaging bug. both update-notifier-common version <IP_ADDRESS> (in main) and apt-config-auto-update version 2.1+nmu1 (in universe) provide the file /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic - which should never happen.
[23:04] <tomreyn> i'd say file a bug against apt-config-auto-update
[23:04] <semitones> alright, can do
[23:04] <JanC> well, it can happen, but then they shouldn't be installable at the same time
[23:04] <tomreyn> right
[23:04] <JanC> you don't need 'apt-config-auto-update'
[23:06] <tomreyn> it's already been reported https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt-config-auto-update
[23:06] <semitones> thanks for the link!
[23:08] <JanC> do you know how/why you have that package installed?
[23:09] <JanC> or why it was about to be installed?
[23:10] <semitones> Honestly not sure. Can I investigate if something depends on it?
[23:11] <JanC> apt rdepends apt-config-auto-update
[23:11] <JanC> hobbit-plugins ?
[23:12] <JanC> although it only suggests it
[23:12] <semitones> I am not sure what hobbit plugins is, although that shows up for me too
[23:13] <semitones> apt lets me remove apt-config-auto-update without removing any other package
[23:13] <JanC> yeah, it should be no problem
[23:14] <JanC> and at least that should prevent further "overwrite attempt errors"
[23:14] <semitones> does this affect unattended-upgrades?
[23:14] <JanC> no
[23:15] <semitones> ok. Thanks a lot for your help :)
[23:15] <tomreyn> Hobbit is the former name of the Xymon network monitor (which provides plugins)
[23:16] <JanC> semitones: maybe check the configuration again to make sure the values are still the same though
[23:16] <semitones> yeah, good idea
[23:16] <JanC> just to be sure  :)
[23:25] <shivam_> d
[23:26] <debarshi-kundu> I cannot sign the code of conduct yet, because I am having a hard time registering my pgp key
[23:26] <debarshi-kundu> Launchpad keeps rejecting it
[23:27] <shivam_> what is this app is i dont get it do anyone can read this massag
[23:29] <juliaw> hi
[23:29] <debarshi-kundu> Hello
[23:36] <Beauregard42> The net seems awfully quiet today. A few months ago there were hundreds of messages per hour on Ubuntu and other channels
[23:37] <semitones> seems about normal to me for the last few years... quite different back in the 2000s
[23:37] <Beauregard42> Welp
[23:37] <Beauregard42> How was your day?
[23:37] <semitones> lets move to #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:38] <Beauregard42> Yup