[01:52] <DJzee> I'm running xubuntu 11.10. I am receiving authentication errors when I try to download security updates. How do I fix this?
[01:55] <DJzee> Or would it be best for me to just download 12.04 since I plan to upgrade anyway
[02:27] <DJzee> How do I fix authentication errors?
[03:34] <xubuntuTX> Greetings all.  I'm tweaking a new install of Xubuntu 12.04 LTS and can't get it to play youtube videos.  Have I overlooked something?
[03:35] <xubuntuTX> I did a google search on the problem and wasn't able to find anything specifically related.
[03:37] <xubuntuTX> Hello?
[03:40] <xubuntuTX> Ok, well, I tried.
[13:03] <arpad2_> I used the sudo pppoeconf  command in the terminal, after this the Network Manager doesn't work. Any idea how to revert this?
[13:54] <Guest99138> I am trying to test xubuntu on my 2 x dualcore xeons " 3.0Ghz with 8Gb ram and a nvidia gtx560ti. Only problem is it doesnt seem to detect my gfx card as the screens go blank no desktop.
[13:54] <Guest99138> I tried Lubuntu and it works.
[13:55] <Guest99138> Any ideas ?
[14:23] <tdrusk_> how can i restore the panel to the defaults in 12.04?
[15:23] <tdrusk_> how can i restore the panel to the defaults in 12.04?
[19:11] <Kingsy> hey guys, for some reason my notifaction area has vanished from my panel.. how do I get it back ?
[19:12] <Kingsy> well at least its added to the panel but I have lost the icons such as the mail icon, the sound icon etc
[19:13] <Kingsy> I still see alerts tho.. which is good
[20:24] <xubuntu830> hello, running xbuntu 12.04 with wine 1.5 - DVDfab is not working. it worked with ubuntu
[20:29] <xubuntu830> has anybody had this problem with DVDFab not working
[20:29] <Unit193> Never used it, but did you check the appdb?
[20:30] <xubuntu830> sorry but what is appdb
[20:30] <Pici> !appdb
[20:31] <xubuntu830> i'll check thanks
[21:49] <KubuntuNerd> Greetings all.  I'm having some problems with Xubuntu 12.04 on some P3 machines (1 GHz, 512 MB of RAM).  Is anyone up for taking on my questions?
[21:49] <GridCube> !anyone | KubuntuNerd
[21:49] <KubuntuNerd> I did that yesterday and was totally ignored.  Wondered if a polite approach would get me a response.
[21:50] <Unit193> Not much for Xubuntu to run on though, is it even PAE compatible?
[21:50] <KubuntuNerd> At any rate.
[21:50] <KubuntuNerd> Um, ok, what's PAE?
[21:50] <GridCube> :) KubuntuNerd ask away
[21:50] <GridCube> !pae
[21:51] <GridCube> (in any case 12.04 xubuntu is still non pae compatible)
[21:54] <KubuntuNerd> Ok, with the regular live/install CD, if I select "Install" at the first screen I get a "Fatal error" during the install.  If I select "Try" and attempt to install it from the live CD desktop the installation just disappears after a bit with no error message.  The Alternate CD works ok but once it's installed, I can't view youtube videos even though the flashplayer is installed (from the repo).  I gotten these exact same results
[21:54] <KubuntuNerd> Yesterday I downloaded both ISO files again and burned new CDs.  No change in results.
[21:56] <GridCube> KubuntuNerd, i see, the alternate version is the best approach to your case
[21:57] <GridCube> the flash issue probably depends of your ram, sadly late versions of ff are very memory hungry
[21:57] <GridCube> you could try using chromium or midori
[21:58] <GridCube> you could also try the flash-aid add-on for firefox, it supposedly costumizes the flash installation to get better results
[21:58] <Unit193> Chromium isn't any better, really.
[21:58] <David-A> KubuntuNerd: what graphic card? have you tried with and without proprietary driver?
[21:58] <GridCube> no, problaby no Unit193, you are correct
[22:03] <KubuntuNerd> Some of the machines have 32 MB TNT cards in them.
[22:05] <KubuntuNerd> It acts like the flashplayer isn't installed at all.  I get a blank gray field or, in some cases, black box with nothing in it.
[22:06] <KubuntuNerd> Didn't occur to me to try Chrome because I like to stay with what's in the repo.  I suppose I could try Chromium.
[22:07] <GridCube> KubuntuNerd, if the flashplayer isnt installed the page ask you to install it, if you get just a black box its a different issue
[22:07] <KubuntuNerd> Granted
[22:07] <GridCube> you can check that you have the current flashplayer going to http://get.adobe.com/es/flashplayer/
[22:07] <GridCube> and it will say if you have it installed
[22:07] <Unit193> Also, chome comes with pepperflash while chromium doesn't.
[22:08] <David-A> KubuntuNerd: go to address "about:plugins" in firefox or chromium to see if there is a flash player
[22:12] <KubuntuNerd> I'm reinstalling from the alternate CD at the moment.  I'll look into it once this install is finished.   I had the same issues a few days ago with a 1.8 GHz Athlon system that's got 768 MB of RAM.  I 'm giving these p3 machines to some single moms.  I thought they were all good to go.  I was wrong.
[22:13] <GridCube> :P
[22:14] <GridCube> probably lubuntu is a better option?
[22:14] <KubuntuNerd> They're a little slow but Firefox works ok and the game I installed run ok (Frozen Bubble, Flobopuyo and a few more).
[22:16] <Unit193> Type or copy to the terminal  grep pae /proc/cpuinfo  too though.
[22:16] <KubuntuNerd> I burned a Lubuntu disk but haven't really messed with it much.    These are mainly going to be used by kids, 12 and under who've never seen anything but Windows.  I felt Xfce would be more user friendly.
[22:18] <KubuntuNerd> Ok Unit 193, I'll hook up another of them, check pae and get back with you.
[22:18] <Unit193> Just whenever you get a chance.
[22:29] <KubuntuNerd> Ok, grep pae sends the terminal into limbo.   Just for grins I  ran it on this machine (Kubuntu 12.04 LTS, P4, 2 GB RAM) and got the same result.
[22:34] <KubuntuNerd> I think this thing may have timed out on me so I refreshed the page and started over.
[22:34] <KubuntuNerd> grep pae sends the terminal into limbo.   Just for grins I  ran it on this machine (Kubuntu 12.04 LTS, P4, 2 GB RAM) and got the same result.
[22:34] <KubuntuNerd> youtube works ok on this machien.
[22:36] <KubuntuNerd> Though the keyboard seems to have some sort of glitch (damn thing can't spell correctly).
[22:36] <Unit193> That's great, glad you got it.  Sounds like you forgot the file part, grep pae /proc/cpuinfo
[22:36] <KubuntuNerd> ok I'll try that again.'
[22:43] <KubuntuNerd> Ok that had a lengthy return which I'll type out if you wish but pae was on the list.
[22:45] <Unit193> Great.
[22:45] <KubuntuNerd> Any further thoughts?
[22:46] <GridCube> check other browsers
[22:47] <KubuntuNerd> Can't do that right now.  I've only got one bench connection and it's tied up with the one I'm reinstalling.
[22:47] <GridCube> :)
[22:48] <KubuntuNerd> I'll be back [call me Arnold].  ttfn
[23:58] <nkei0> So... I have 12.04 installed and I love it so far.  However, I may have messed up when I was installing and selected the en_GB locale.  I am in GB, but I prefer the en_US keyboard.  How do I change this?  It allows me to select on startup splash but defaults to the GB and I want to use autologin...
[23:58] <nkei0> How do I fix?


[08:11] <zyga> good morning
[08:54] <pwik> Anyone have any experience installing ca-certficiates-mono as a stage-package in a snapcraft package?
[08:58] <zyga> pwik: not me, sorry
[08:58] <zyga> pwik: you may also ask in https://rocket.ubuntu.com/channel/snappy
[08:59] <zyga> it's like IRC but persistent and a bit more modern
[08:59] <zyga> if you have a launchpad account you can just log in and use it
[09:06] <pwik> Alright, I'll try that. Basically the problem is that the ca-certificates-mono packages installs certificates and creates symlinks to them when installed in the OS. The symlinks are missing when installed in a snap package.
[09:06] <pwik> Any ideas?
[09:18] <zyga> pwik: I have ideas for that
[09:18] <zyga> pwik: your snap executes in a different environment
[09:18] <zyga> pwik: you cannot install anything into /usr for example
[09:19] <zyga> pwik: I blogged about how snap execution work a while ago http://www.zygoon.pl/2016/08/snap-execution-environment.html
[09:26] <pwik> I'll check it out.
[09:27] <pwik> Is there any way to enable verbose logging when building snaps?
[10:15] <zyga> pwik: I don't know that, check with sergiusens perhaps
[12:03] <mup> PR snapd#2539 closed: spread: improve qemu ubuntu-14.04-{32,64} support <Created by zyga> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2539>
[12:06] <mup> PR snapd#2542 opened: many: use snap-confine to save cost of repackaging core snap for testing <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2542>
[12:31] <mup> PR snapd#2543 opened: spread: install build-essentail unconditionally <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2543>
[13:11] <mup> Bug #1614587 changed: unable to run snapd on ubuntu 14.04 <Snappy:Invalid> <snapd (Ubuntu):In Progress> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1614587>
[13:49] <mup> PR snapd#2544 opened: interfaces: implement login-control interface <Created by morphis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2544>
[14:08] <mup> PR snapd#2543 closed: spread: install build-essentail unconditionally <Created by zyga> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2543>
[15:11] <mup> PR snapd#2545 opened: overlord: allow max 100 changes in "ready" state to avoid boundless grow <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2545>
[15:44] <Guest1768> hi...just a question..the version for raspberry pi 3, is a 64-bit os?
[18:12] <snap_user4> Is there an official web service to search for snap packages? I know about uappexplorer.com but it's not official and is only for ubuntu touch apps.
[18:29] <snap_user4> How can I get information about a snap package? For example with `apt` I would do `apt show <package>`. I don't see any snap command to do that in the help section.
[18:47] <Elleo> snap_user4: there's the info command: "snap info <snapname>"
[18:48] <snap_user4> `snap --help | grep info` shows nothing
[18:49] <snap_user4> `error: unknown command "info", see "snap --help"`. my snap version 2.17.1ubuntu1 do I need to be on bleeding edge or something to get that feature ?
[18:51] <Elleo> snap_user4: ah, I'm using 2.19, so I guess it was introduced recently
[18:56] <snap_user4> Elleo: Where did you install your snapd, from source? I tried upgrading my snapd `sudo apt install -y snapd` but I'm already at the latest version
[19:04] <Elleo> snap_user4: yeah, I've got a git checkout
[19:09] <snap_user4> Elleo: Alright thanks, I guess I'll wait for a stable package to be released
[19:34] <popey> snap_user4: uappexplorer does index snaps as well as touch apps
[19:41] <zyga> snap_user4: snapd 2.20.1 is in -proposed, try that version if you want
[20:40] <snap_user4> zyga: Thanks, that version seems to be available for ubuntu 16.04 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd. I tried `apt install snapd=2.20.1` but it seems apt can't find the version. I know this question isn't really related to snaps but do you know how I could install it with apt?
[20:57] <almightybob> Trying to install snapd in new Fedora 25 install.  Keep getting: 'Failed to synchronize cache for repo 'zyga-snapcore', disabling.'
[21:03] <almightybob> Anybody else run into this?
[21:16] <zyga> snap_user4: hey, you need to enable the proposed repository directly, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed
[21:17] <zyga> almightybob: hey, the copr repo is abandoned and development has moved to the fedora archive directly
[21:17] <zyga> almightybob: I'm EOD now so it's not the best time but ping me tomorrow, there are a few outstanding issues that prevent me from releasing snapd into fedora
[21:17] <zyga> almightybob: and I could use some help


[08:34] <jamespage> infinity, thanks for working on the oslo stuff - hopefully once we re-align with Debian this will be alot less hassle going forward
[08:35] <jamespage> infinity, suffice to say there was miscommunication between ubuntu/debian last cycle on the need to transition the package names for the upstream namespace changes
[09:17] <sil2100> Hello everyone! It seems that the latest gnutls28 upload that's in wily-proposed is breaking cmake bits on i386 (most probably)
[09:17] <sil2100> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnutls28/+bug/1464569
[09:18] <sil2100> Mirv filled in a bug for that, we think it's critical to at least double-confirm it and maybe even drop the upload from -proposed
[09:19] <cjwatson> Dropping it would break other things - it's a transition in progress
[09:19] <cjwatson> (Other things that your consumers care about, even)
[09:19] <sil2100> ACK
[09:20] <cjwatson> Can you see whether 'ldd cmake' in a wily-proposed chroot shows multiple versions of libnettle?  (I'd check myself but I just switched laptops and haven't set up schroots again yet)
[09:21] <sil2100> Damn, didn't setup a wily chroot yet, Mirv do you have one handy by any chance?
[09:21] <sil2100> I'll make one now anyway as it'll be useful
[10:05] <Mirv> sil2100: well I have wily amd64, would it need to be i386 with proposed enabled?
[11:04] <Mirv> sil2100: cjwatson: wily-proposed i386 ldd cmake http://paste.ubuntu.com/11701395/ yes to multiple libnettle:s
[13:37] <teward> when an ubuntu delta exists in a package, is autosync disabled?
[13:39] <Laney> Yeah, someone has to look at the diff and decide what to do with it
[13:39] <Laney> Port it forward or get rid of it
[13:39] <cjwatson> Indeed.  See auto-sync in lp:ubuntu-archive-tools for the full logic
[13:41] <teward> good, because if that logic didn't exist I'd be asking for a temporary sync blacklist on nginx, but since the delta exists the system won't help :P
[13:41] <teward> s/help/break anything/
[13:41] <teward> (those who care, keep an eye on the server mailing list, i'll drop a summary of why this is the case shortly)
[13:43] <cjwatson> Sync blacklists aren't often needed these days, and never were in the case of Ubuntu deltas.
[13:44] <teward> cjwatson: wasn't sure, hence my asking :P
[13:45] <cjwatson> Sure


[00:15] <fta> *sigh* i trashed my session while debugging and now the snaps are gone
[00:29] <BUGabundo_NCIS> eheh
[00:29] <BUGabundo_NCIS> the perfect solution: start fresh, or else...
[00:37] <BUGabundo_NCIS> nite
[00:44] <fta> http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2010/05/google-offers-web-designers-hosted-open-source-web-fonts.ars
[00:45] <fta> so much for the mysterious new ubuntu font. google did it 1st ;)
[00:46] <BUGabundo_gouki> llo
[05:33] <micahg> ddecator: did you have a chance to check songbird to see if it still builds?
[05:35] <ddecator> micahg: built for me either last night or the night before just fine :)
[05:35] <micahg> ddecator: k, I'll check the merge sat night and if there are no issues, push it up to PPA
[05:36] <ddecator> micahg: sounds good. let me know if there are any issues or if i need to fix anything
[05:38] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I'm back, might not make 11:00 UTC though...
[05:44] <ddecator> micahg: btw, i pushed the latest branch from when i built to my lp account, but the only thing that has changed since i requested the last merge was updates from upstream, nothing i had to change, so i didn't know if you wanted me to bother with another merge request
[05:45] <micahg> ddecator: nah, that's ok as long as nothing was rebased
[05:45] <ddecator> micahg: alright, that's what i thought
[09:17] <BUGabundo_remote> Welcome to Ibiza Summer Time!
[09:50] <asac> BUGabundo_remote: you are on ibiza?
[09:51] <BUGabundo_remote> asac: I wish :)
[09:52] <BUGabundo_remote> asac: still at work.. but ill be taking a week vacation to Algarve next month, if you want to meet up
[09:52] <asac> good. otherwise i would have been unhappy about you having holidays ;)
[09:52] <asac> heh
[09:52] <asac> unfortunately i wont have time till august from what i see
[09:53] <BUGabundo_remote> shame
[09:53] <asac> always travelling and wrestling ;)
[09:53] <BUGabundo_remote> as long as you are happy, hacking and drunk
[09:54] <BUGabundo_remote> erk, that didn't came out right ;P
[09:59] <asac> hehe
[09:59] <asac> no its fine.
[10:52] <cyrus82> Hi. Is anybody working on #507089 (thunderbird segfault with ldap auth in nsswicht)?
[12:38] <fta> asac, why is the n-m ppa stuck?
[12:38] <fta> should i stop the bot?
[12:38] <fta> last update was 3 months ago
[12:44] <asac> fta: cyphermox has to open the changelog up again
[12:44] <asac> nt sure why that hadent happened
[12:44] <asac> i thought he did
[12:44] <asac> i will try to remember to ask him when he comes back
[12:48] <fta> ok
[12:51] <fta> http://www.osnews.com/story/23335/Patent_Troll_Larry_Horn_of_MPEG-LA_Assembling_VP8_Patent_Pool
[12:59] <fta> asac, (another chromium beta incoming)
[13:00] <fta> amazon.de seems to snap quite a lot :(
[13:41] <fta> BUGabundo_remote, do you know where all the videos of the google io sessions are? i just see the intro and old stuff
[13:42] <BUGabundo_remote> I saw a link for it today
[13:42] <BUGabundo_remote> but don't have it on hand
[13:42] <BUGabundo_remote> the wave intro should have all the links
[13:42] <fta> i read some minutes in wave but no video :(
[13:43] <BUGabundo_remote> if I see it again, ill ping you
[13:43] <BUGabundo_remote> really busy today
[13:43] <BUGabundo_remote> 150 hosts to _fix_ dns
[13:44] <BUGabundo_remote> but I've seen more ppl complain that not all videos had been published
[13:46] <fta> oh, in the wave modal box, i see a broken puzzle piece, maybe that's why
[13:53] <fta> BUGabundo_remote, grrr "We will not be streaming Google I/O live via the Internet. However, we will be recording most sessions and making them available on http://code.google.com/io and on YouTube after the event. Please check back after June 1st to view the recorded sessions or follow us on @googleio where we will announce when recordings are available."
[14:03] <BUGabundo_remote> lol
[14:04] <BUGabundo_remote> there you go
[18:28] <micahg> _Tsk_: so, I think I might have an idea about the 64 bit crash for TB, I think it just started me as well, I'm retracing a coredump locally for it
[18:28] <_Tsk_> cool !
[18:29] <micahg> _Tsk_: I'm wondering if it's the xulrunner-1.9.1 + cairo 1.8.10 issue
[18:29] <_Tsk_> micahg: so it would be specific to the linux distri build right ?
[18:29] <micahg> _Tsk_: yes
[18:35] <micahg> _Tsk_: looks like it's something different
[18:58] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i noticed that seahorse in hardy builds a plugin for epiphany
[18:58] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure what to do with that, as that plugin won't work in the webkit world
[18:58] <micahg> chrisccoulson: SRU it away?
[18:58] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that might be the only option
[18:58] <chrisccoulson> what does asac think?
[18:58] <chrisccoulson> ;)
[19:00] <asac> my brain is empty ;)
[19:01] <asac> chrisccoulson: drop that plugin ... e.g. ship an empty package
[19:01] <chrisccoulson> asac - ok, that's easy enough
[19:01] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[19:01] <asac> unless seahorse plugin now exists for webkit
[19:01] <asac> could be that it exists
[19:01] <asac> or maybe its built-in now
[19:01] <chrisccoulson> i don't think so. i think the plugin has gone away
[19:01] <chrisccoulson> i'll have a look though
[19:08] <micahg> chrisccoulson: oh, one thing I forgot to mention in our chat is about pushed beta full releases to the devel release as well
[19:08] <micahg> *pushing
[19:09] <chrisccoulson> micahg - oh, you mean like pushing build4 now to maverick?
[19:09] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yep
[19:09] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I can take care of that if you want once I have upload rights
[19:09] <chrisccoulson> that makes sense. i need to do an upload to maverick this weekend to disable CSD anyway
[19:09] <micahg> chrisccoulson: it gives us added beta/pre release testing
[19:10] <micahg> chrisccoulson: BTW, there will be a BUILD5 soon
[19:30] <ccheney> micahg, ping
[19:31] <micahg> ccheney: pong
[19:31] <ccheney> micahg, the dictionary symlink cleaning done by debian i believe will only be the removal of the '-' symlinks, the backwards compat will still be around, but we probably need to change the internal symlink of firefox/thunderbird/etc to use /usr/share/hunspell
[19:32] <micahg> ccheney: k, that's no problem
[19:32] <ccheney> micahg, i talked to rene and he is not planning on dropping the /usr/share/myspell dir until after the debian release since they are too close now
[19:32] <ccheney> micahg, so the symlinks in it for the '_' dicts will still be around until after debian releases
[19:32] <micahg> ccheney: as long as we're sure that all the languages are in the hunspell dir, we can switch the symlink for Maverick at any time
[19:33] <ccheney> micahg, they should be afaict but double checking probably wouldn't hurt
[19:34] <micahg> ccheney: I have a work item for the beta release to check that out
[19:34] <ccheney> micahg, i checked them before lucid release and they looked ok, but another set of eyes wouldn't hurt
[19:34] <ccheney> micahg, well actually there were a few bugs in lucid but i fixed all the ones i found :-)
[19:34] <ccheney> micahg, ok, wasn't sure if the item about symlinks encompassed that too
[19:34] <micahg> ccheney: k, I'll ping you if I have any questions later with that
[19:34] <ccheney> micahg, ok
[19:35] <micahg> ccheney: well, the item really should be to make sure that the mozilla apps no longer have dupes :)
[19:35] <ccheney> yea, no dupes will be good too :)
[19:39] <fta> asac, jcastro, jdstrand: I'm preparing yet another version of chromium for maverick, that will be the 3rd update that lucid missed. users keep asking me why the upgrades stopped, should i tell them to use a PPA instead?
[19:40] <jcastro> fta: yeah
[19:40] <jcastro> fta: asac had a plan for it but I totally forgot
[19:41] <jcastro> micahg: do you remember?
[19:41] <jcastro> did we write it down?
[19:41] <fta> jcastro, he said the security team was supposed to do it
[19:41] <fta> that has yet to happen
[19:41] <chrisccoulson> right, that's something i'll probably be involved with
[19:41] <asac> the plan is to just do it
[19:41] <asac> i dont know who is doing it though
[19:41] <micahg> jcastro: yeah, the security team was supposed to do it :)
[19:41] <jcastro> now would be a good time to figure it out!
[19:42] <fta> should i just push and wait?
[19:42] <fta> or will it be rejected?
[19:42] <asac> fta: push and wait? try to get the process actively started .folks will not find what to push etc.
[19:42] <asac> fta: jdstarnd or chrisccoulson should push that to the security ppa
[19:42] <asac> jdstrand: ^^
[19:43] <asac> fta: you cant push anyway. but having a branch they can use and clear instructions how to upload might help. ask chrisccoulson to help you getting it up
[19:43] <asac> he knows how to upload security fixes
[19:43] <asac> remember to document the security issues fixed
[19:43] <asac> otherwise its hard to push out
[19:43] <asac> if you dont know what was fixed, then pretend that you know and just document whatever was fixed on stable in between
[19:44] <fta> what about the exception thingy for browsers?
[19:44] <asac> once we have stable we will push everything
[19:44] <asac> fta: not needed. it will just happen
[19:44] <asac> fta: there was never an exception to push stuff without security issues ;) ... the idea was to make clear that we will hav eto push securtity with other stuff together
[19:44] <asac> but thats understood. tech board said, its not a tech board issue, so its security team decision how to do that
[19:45] <asac> talk to rickspencer3
[19:45] <asac> he will help you
[19:45] <asac> he wants to push chromium to main ;)
[19:45] <fta> the thing is, each time i'm late for an update, i loose users in favor of chrome
[19:45] <asac> right. so it needs to be sorted
[19:45] <asac> but its not a big deal imo atm
[19:45] <asac> you will gain all default netbook installs ;)
[19:46] <asac> thats the big cake ... ;)
[20:10] <fta> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/popcon-20100521.png
[20:10] <fta> asac, ^^
[20:43] <jdstrand> fta, asac, chrisccoulson, micahg: what did I miss? a chromium update?
[20:43] <jdstrand> I was not told I needed to push anything
[20:43] <micahg> jdstrand: well, now it's number 3 that Lucid didn't get
[20:43] <jdstrand> it is in universe, so it isn't on our team
[20:44] <jdstrand> if a community person or someone else wants it updated, I can sponsor it
[20:44] <micahg> fta: ^^^
[20:44] <jdstrand> I have not been approached to do that
[20:45] <jdstrand> I figured it would be dealt with in the same way that seamonkey is-- ie, it is built in a ppa somewhere, gets testing, then I am asked to push through -security
[20:45] <micahg> jdstrand: well, we were talking about that a few minutes ago, would you prefer that to just sponsoring?
[20:46] <jdstrand> micahg: if it is a debdiff, I can spnsor. if it is a full release like ff and seamonkey, it should really have a team/person maintaining it like we have for mozilla
[20:46] <jdstrand> micahg: and a process in place to test it
[20:46] <jdstrand> let me put it this way
[20:47] <jdstrand> I don't get paid to test seamonkey updates, so the mozilla team/community needs to do all the work on that, and then ask me to push it into -security
[20:47] <jdstrand> at that point I just do that-- I don't test it cause the mozilla team/community already did it
[20:48] <jdstrand> we need the same thing to happen with chromium
[20:48] <micahg> jdstrand: k, should we use the mozilla-security PPA for that or something else?
[20:48] <fta> jdstrand, what i send to the repos already lives in a ppa beforehand
[20:48] <jdstrand> micahg: I don't care-- ubumtu-mozilla-security is nice cause it is already there and non-virtual so I can do a direct pocket copy
[20:49] <jdstrand> fta: what kind of ppa is it? virtual or native?
[20:49] <fta> jdstrand, atm, it's the chromium beta ppa. but i advise to take either what i send to maverick, or the last tag in the bzr branch
[20:50] <jdstrand> fta: so that is a virtual ppa
[20:50] <fta> i don't have native ppa unfortunately
[20:50] <fta> maverick is native :)
[20:50] <jdstrand> fta: that will have to be rebuilt in -security ppa or corrdinated with the mozillateam ppa
[20:50] <fta> jdstrand, can't you take it from maverick/universe?
[20:51] <jdstrand> I can't pocket copy it, no
[20:51] <fta> oh
[20:51] <fta> *sigh*
[20:51] <micahg> fta: does the target for maverick just need to change?
[20:51] <fta> micahg, yes, that and the version number
[20:51] <jdstrand> it needs to be built with the same toolchain and libraries for which it is going to land
[20:52] <micahg> fta: can you prepare the bzr branch for Lucid and then tell chrisccoulson what to do to generate the upload so he can push to mozilla-security PPA?
[20:53] <fta> (feels weird to use a mozilla-* location)
[20:53] <fta> but well..
[20:53] <micahg> fta: I think we're all intertwined anyways ;)
[20:54] <jdstrand> fta: the alternative is to create source packages for each release you want to provide them for, then someone from the ubuntu-security team can upload them to ubuntu-security-proposed
[20:54] <jdstrand> fta: and then ultimately get them into -proposed
[20:55] <jdstrand> fta: that would be a way to use the existing infrastructure and get people to try out the builds before pushing them to -security
[20:55] <jdstrand> fta: basically, the process is not defined for chromium, and it needs to be (until it ends up in main, at which point chrisccoulson/micahg or someone will likely start working on it)
[20:57] <jdstrand> fta: fyi, if going the ubuntu-security-proposed route: if you want that done early next week, I will be gone. you can ask mdeslaur or kees to do that for you
[20:58] <fta> jdstrand, not sure where i should stop then. it's easy to see which version is in maverick/universe, then lucid needs the same thing. the tarball is in maverick, the packaging is in bzr with a tag
[20:59] <jdstrand> fta: we need full source packages for each release you want uploaded
[20:59] <jdstrand> fta: ie, we need to upload it to build it from source
[21:00] <fta> sure, but it's a simple merge, i don't see the difficulty here
[21:00] <fta> or i'm missing something
[21:01] <fta> it could also be dget from maverick, update d/changelog, new source package, push
[21:01] <fta> there are plenty of options
[21:01] <micahg> fta: don't you want to maintain a .lucid branch in bzr?
[21:02] <jdstrand> fta: I don't have anything to upload on your behalf, ie to 'sponsor'. how the security team normally works with security updates for community supported packages is that the debdiff is provided for an existing package *or* the community person supplies signed and 'tested on that release' source packages
[21:02] <fta> micahg, i initially wanted to do that, but since i can't upload
[21:03] <jdstrand> fta: chromium needs a process for building and testing. aiui, you are asking me to just do it all. I don't have the resources to do that
[21:03] <fta> why isn't it like the NEW queue??
[21:03] <fta> jdstrand, the process is already there
[21:03] <jdstrand> the process for the devel release is, but not -security
[21:03] <jdstrand> which is why we are talking about it now
[21:04] <micahg> fta: it seems like either we have to push to a native PPA or you or someone else needs to provide signed source builds
[21:04] <fta> but the package is exactly the same, it's flexible enough to be built from +1 down to hardy
[21:04] <jdstrand> fta: perhaps it would be easier to say that this is very similar to an SRU where you want to do a microrelease bump
[21:05] <jdstrand> fta: sure, I could pull the branch and do all the version changes, etc, etc. but then the build is not tested
[21:05] <jdstrand> the build 'on that release of Ubuntu'
[21:06] <jdstrand> fta: would you ask ubuntu-sru to create the source packages for you and upload them on your behalf?
[21:06] <fta> it has already lived in the beta PPA for a few days, before i release it to +1.
[21:06] <fta> it's not enough?
[21:06] <jdstrand> I think we are not communicating effectively
[21:06] <jdstrand> I don't know what testing you have done
[21:06] <jdstrand> I just heard that there is an update for chromium
[21:06] <jdstrand> chromium is in universe
[21:07] <jdstrand> it is up to the community to provide updates for universe packages
[21:07] <jdstrand> you are (presumably) that community for chromium
[21:07] <jdstrand> if you wanted to do an sru for chromium in lucid, how would you proceed?
[21:08] <jdstrand> the process is not really much different for ubuntu-security
[21:09] <asac> hd
[21:09] <asac> jdstrand: only chriscoulson and you can push to the security ppa
[21:09] <jdstrand> asac: yes, and I said that if I were provided tested source packages I would upload them on his behalf
[21:10] <asac> fta: cant you do that?
[21:10] <asac> ;)
[21:10] <asac> point jdstrand to tested sources to push?
[21:10] <asac> after adjusting target to lucid-security i guess
[21:10] <asac> so i give up making a real script in upstart .conf
[21:10] <asac> thats really painful
[21:11] <micahg> asac: I think keybuk did that on purpose :)
[21:15] <fta> what should i happened after to the version?
[21:15] <fta> -to
[21:16] <micahg> ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>?
[21:18] <fta> nothing less ugly? ;)
[21:18] <fta> i see other packages don't add anything
[21:18] <micahg> fta: other packages generally don't have the same version released to multiple Ubuntu releases AFAIK
[21:19] <fta> Get:5 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid-updates/main apt-transport-https <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu9 [80.7kB]
[21:19] <fta> Get:6 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid-updates/main libpangomm-1.4-1 2.26.2-0ubuntu1 [62.2kB]
[21:19] <fta> Get:7 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid-updates/main software-center 2.0.4 [278kB]
[21:19] <fta> those are in all versions
[21:19] <asac> fta: new upstream versions in security is rare
[21:19] <asac> so what micahg said is right
[21:19] <asac> ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> etc.
[21:20] <jdstrand> fta: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdatePreparation#Update%20the%20packaging has tips on versioning
[21:20] <fta> -chromium-browser (5.0.375.38~r46659-0ubuntu1) maverick; urgency=low
[21:20] <fta> +chromium-browser (5.0.375.38~r46659-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>) lucid-security; urgency=low
[21:20] <fta> ?
[21:21] <jdstrand> fta: which is basically what micahg and asac said when you have the same base version
[21:21] <jdstrand> fta: looks good
[21:21] <asac> fta: yeah thats correct
[21:21] <asac> then you have to do a trick to push that to lucid in some ppa .. you have to directly upload to the lucid/ folder
[21:21] <jdstrand> fta: the thing to remember is a user needs to be able to upgrade to the next release of Ubuntu
[21:22] <fta> that i already know :) i'm not new to packaging
[21:24] <jdstrand> fta: heh
[21:24] <jdstrand> fta: I didn't mean to imply that-- versioning can be tricky with new sources is all
[21:26] <fta> jdstrand, ok so lp:~chromium-team/chromium-browser/chromium-browser.lucid has it. what do you need now?
[21:26] <fta> a source package somewhere?
[21:26] <jdstrand> fta: signed and tested, yes
[21:30] <fta> jdstrand, can't i just have a native ppa to push everything i need there and let you copy afterwards? because here, it's just the browser, but some other time, it will be also the codecs and/or gyp and/or libvpx
[21:31] <jdstrand> fta: current policy is that only canonical employees can have a native ppa (I didn't make that policy)
[21:32] <fta> then a canonical employee should do all that
[21:32] <jdstrand> fta: the ubuntu-security team is happy to upload packages into ubuntu-security-proposed and then pocket copy to -proposed on your behalf
[21:32] <fta> i can just sit on my hands and watch the dailies build
[21:32] <jdstrand> fta: a canonical employee should do what?
[21:33] <micahg> fta: if you don't want to, I can make the source package and test locally over the weekend
[21:34] <micahg> fta: s/if you don't want to/if you want me to/
[21:34] <fta> micahg, it's not the problem, it only one brz bd --merge away for me, it's just that there are so many barriers preventing good wills like myself to properly maintain released stuff
[21:34] <jdstrand> fta: I'm not sure what the problem is. I asked for a signed source package that is tested, that is all
[21:35] <micahg> fta: well, most packages don't need updates like this, generally the ones that allow micro-releases are maintained in main by canonical
[21:35] <fta> jdstrand, you'll have it once it's uploaded somewhere
[21:35] <jdstrand> fta: that is no more or less than I ask of any other sponsored security upload
[21:35] <BUGabundo> o/
[21:35] <micahg> hi BUGabundo, welcome to the Chromium browser saga :)
[21:36] <BUGabundo> come again?
[21:36] <micahg> BUGabundo: check the logs in 25 minutes :)
[21:36] <jdstrand> fta: I'm sorry if there is some frustration here. I appreciate that you are doing the work. keeping a browser up to date with new point releases is hard, and is why there is a whole team dedicated to it for mozilla
[21:36] <BUGabundo> don't tell me your vacations made you swicht sides too?
[21:37] <jdstrand> fta: I hope that such a team will exist for chromium, especially if it is going to main...
[21:37] <micahg> jdstrand: team ATM = myself + chrisccoulson :)
[21:37] <BUGabundo> jdstrand: I already said several times: rename ubuntu-mozilla-team, Ubuntu Browser Team
[21:37] <jdstrand> micahg: currently, but your team has a clearly defined process for updates in stable releases
[21:37] <BUGabundo> micahg: forgetting Jon ?
[21:37] <micahg> BUGabundo: asac and I talked about that actually
[21:37] <micahg> BUGabundo: he's not doing packaging ATM
[21:38] <BUGabundo> :(
[21:38]  * micahg doesn't know how fta does it
[21:39] <BUGabundo> he is a super machine
[21:39] <BUGabundo> with a lot of scripts and bots
[21:39] <BUGabundo> *if* one day he looses his hard drive
[21:39] <BUGabundo> he will go baserk
[21:39] <fta> jdstrand, http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/lucid/
[21:40] <jdstrand> fta: my plan is to upload to ubuntu-security-proposed and then pocket copy to lucid-proposed for wider testing. is this acceptable?
[21:41] <fta> jdstrand, sure, whatever you want, it's better than no upload at all
[21:41] <fta> upgrade
[21:41] <fta> jdstrand, and thanks
[21:42] <jdstrand> sure, np
[21:42] <fta> jdstrand, and you can expect another update in a few days, i already have 5.0.375.53~r47719 in progress for maverick
[21:43] <jdstrand> fta: ok. I won't be around the beginning of next week, so get mdeslaur or kees to do it
[21:43] <fta> ok
[21:45] <fta> micahg, the golden rule is automation. if i have to some something once, it's fun, twice, it's boring, three times, it's unacceptable, i write a script
[21:45] <BUGabundo> me too
[21:47] <fta> -some+do
[21:49] <fta> http://ubuntu-virginia.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9338769 :(
[21:49] <fta> i should stop this google alert, it's making me sad
[21:50] <BUGabundo> wow
[21:50] <BUGabundo> what DID YOU DO?
[21:50] <BUGabundo> chromium is SLOOWWWW loadong
[21:51] <BUGabundo> *loading
[21:51] <fta> nothing
[21:51] <BUGabundo> it used to be *instantenous
[21:51] <fta> don't blame me
[21:52] <BUGabundo> I have to 'blame' someone
[21:52] <micahg> fta: will I have profile isssues if I switch between beta and daily?
[21:52] <BUGabundo> and you are in ping reach
[21:52] <fta> micahg, beta->daily, no, daily->beta, more than probable
[21:52] <micahg> :(
[21:53] <fta> depends on how big the gap is
[21:53] <micahg> fta: I guess I"ll use a temp profile dir
[21:53] <fta> i remember in had to trash my session once
[21:53] <fta> -in+i
[21:53] <fta> (i hate this new keyboard)
[21:54] <BUGabundo> ahaaha
[21:54] <fta> curve my *s
[21:54] <BUGabundo> micahg: alias chromiumnew='chromiumdatadir="$(mktemp -d)";chromiumdiskcache="$(mktemp -d)";chromium-browser --user-data-dir=$chromiumdatadir --disk-cache-dir=$chromiumdiskcache
[21:54] <BUGabundo> here's something I learned from fta
[21:54] <BUGabundo> then I automated it :D
[21:55] <fta> apparently, --user-data-dir is enough
[21:55] <BUGabundo> DOH
[21:55] <BUGabundo> you fail
[21:57] <micahg> BUGabundo: chromiumnew started pacman :)
[21:58] <BUGabundo> I like that to test our servers and sites.
[21:58] <BUGabundo> always brand new profiles
[21:58] <BUGabundo> no cache,  passwords, logins, cookies
[21:58] <BUGabundo> its AWESOME
[21:59]  * micahg should do that for firefox too :)
[21:59] <BUGabundo> also kewl to login to a site more then once with 3 or more accounts
[21:59] <BUGabundo> cause private navigation only allows one window
[21:59] <BUGabundo> micahg: it will... once it does PID separation
[22:02] <fta> only one?
[22:02] <fta> i can start several
[22:02] <BUGabundo> fta: private??
[22:02] <fta> yes
[22:03] <BUGabundo> but they all share the same PID
[22:03] <BUGabundo> and logins/cookies are tied
[22:06] <fta> http://www.osnews.com/story/23334/The_In-depth_Technical_Analysis_of_VP8_Counterpoints
[22:07] <fta> http://www.osnews.com/story/23335/Patent_Troll_Larry_Horn_of_MPEG-LA_Assembling_VP8_Patent_Pool
[22:08] <BUGabundo> heh
[22:08] <BUGabundo> how is that going?!
[22:08] <BUGabundo> will webm really be patent free?
[22:29] <jdstrand> fta: fyi-- uploaded to ubuntu-security-proposed: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security-proposed/+archive/ppa/+packages
[22:30] <fta> \o/
[22:31] <jdstrand> :)
[22:32] <jdstrand> fta: I'll keep an eye on it and pocket copy it to -proposed. I'll also file a bug so it can be tracked (as per SecurityTeam/SponsorsQueue)