[10:56] <AngryClip> bobslaede, you might be better asking that in a zend dev env support group, if every other program is working, it looks zend specific
[10:56] <bobslaede> i'll wait with patience... its just really hard coding with the danish layout
[10:56] <AngryClip> you never know thugh, someone here might know
[10:56] <bobslaede> mustard5: it worked until i upgraded to breezy
[10:56] <AngryClip> hello internet btw... I just woke up :D
[10:56] <kestas> guys is there any way of delaying the login time so that I log in before it automatically tries to join ubuntu?
[10:57] <nalioth> J_Element: did you need something?
[10:57] <bobslaede> kestas: yes
[10:57] <AngryClip> kestas, you talking IRC/XCHAT ?
[10:57] <bobslaede> kestas: system > admin > login
[10:57] <mustard5> kestas, I have that issue myself...I get dumped into #ubuntu-unregged sometimes
[10:57] <highvoltage> I just looked at: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+specstable
[10:57] <bobslaede> kestas: if youre in gnome ;)
[10:57] <kestas> Im in gnome
[10:58] <highvoltage> does this mean Ubuntu 6.04 will support amd64, arm, hppa, i386, powerpc and sparc?
[10:58] <kestas> using xchat
[10:58] <Habbie> bobslaede: that's not what he means
[10:58] <bobslaede> kestas: but i misunderstood you
[10:58] <kestas> and I mean logging into irc
[10:58] <idimmu> hi, how can do i install the gpg keys to do package authentication when i apt-get stuff?
[10:58] <bobslaede> :[
[10:58] <bobslaede> its still early, and i have only had 3 cups of coffee
[10:58] <kestas>  guys can you please help me with a way of filtering out everything between < and > in a document, so if there was < asdf> the ' asdf' would get filtered out?
[10:59] <idimmu> kestas: man perl or man sed !
[10:59] <kestas> idimmu, I know but I don't know perl and dont want to learn just for this
[10:59] <jack-> man sed
[10:59] <kestas> and I cant get my head around the right regex
[10:59] <jack-> its the thing you want
[11:00] <mustard5> idimmu, they should work already
[11:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> anyone here ever gotten one of those 3g pdas to work as a usb modem in ubuntu?
[11:00] <mustard5> idimmu, what repository are you using?
[11:01] <idimmu> deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main universe multiverse restricted
[11:01] <idimmu> that one !
[11:01] <idimmu> i expect
[11:01] <mustard5> idimmu, you can reset your gpg keys to default in synaptic
[11:01] <idimmu> ok
[11:02] <thoreauputic> kestas: re: xchat login - put your password in the server field instead of the nickserv field
[11:02] <mustard5> idimmu, look under settings>repositories>authentication button
[11:02] <jack-> guys, stupid question..i have a hoary box that runs fine; how would i go about updating it to breezy? just update sources.list and run apt-get dist-upgrade?
[11:02] <thoreauputic> kestas: works fine
[11:02] <idimmu> cheers
[11:02] <nerdy2> kestas, something like sed "s/.*<\(.*\)>.*/\1/"  would work if there were only one <> thing
[11:02] <mustard5> idimmu, good luck
[11:02] <strike3_> _native_: you still there
[11:02] <idimmu> thanks <3
[11:03] <idimmu> ok ive done that, now to test !
[11:03] <jack-> yes? no? maybe? thanks
[11:03] <jack-> :~
[11:04] <mustard5> strike3, he was talking to you when you disappeared last :)
[11:04] <AngryClip> kestas, http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nocloakxchat
[11:04] <mustard5> strike3, his last message was   'err...' :)
[11:04] <strike3_> msg nickserv link strike3 lauren
[11:05] <mustard5> strike3_, :)
[11:05] <jack-> guys, stupid question..i have a hoary box that runs fine; how would i go about updating it to breezy? just update sources.list and run apt-get dist-upgrade?
[11:05] <Habbie> jack-: see topic :)
[11:05] <mustard5> !breezy
[11:05] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[11:05] <Lathiat> jack-: apt-get update before the dist-upgrade
[11:05] <phiqtion> is there a way to edit the GRUB entries?
[11:05] <jack-> thanks
[11:06] <mustard5> phiqtion, yep I think its called menu.lst or something
[11:06] <Habbie> in /boot/grub/ I think :)
[11:06] <thoreauputic> phiqtion:  sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:06] <hyphenated> should be /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:06] <thoreauputic> phiqtion: or your choice of editor of course :)
[11:06] <hyphenated> but be careful, because if you break it, you'll have trouble booting :-)
[11:06] <mustard5> phiqtion, make a backup first
[11:07] <idimmu> Install these packages without verification [y/N] ? y
[11:07] <idimmu> Get:1 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe bluefish 1.0.1-0ubuntu3 [
[11:07] <idimmu> mustard5:  :cry:
[11:07] <idimmu> im not sure if it's just universe stuff though
[11:07] <mustard5> !gpgerr
[11:07] <ubotu> If you get GPG errors when accessing the Ubuntu archives, sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* (Yes, you will get some 'is a directory' messages, that's fine) then wait 10 minutes and retry.
[11:07] <thoreauputic> idimmu: well you know the URL so it's pretty safe I guess
[11:08] <Habbie> thoreaupu: don't recommend that to people :)
[11:08] <thoreauputic> idimmu: I get that from time to time here too
[11:08] <thoreauputic> Habbie: *cough* look at the URL - do you think it's spoofed?
[11:08] <idimmu> ah well, it's only because im lazy :D
[11:08] <AngryClip> fatty
[11:08] <_native_> mustard5: man isnt that annoying.
[11:08] <idimmu> actually my /etc/hosts file points that address to a romanian site :o
[11:08] <idimmu> sup AngryClip
[11:09] <mustard5> _native_, strike3_ is looking for you :)
[11:09] <idimmu> this is where *i* have to go to get help too :o
[11:09] <AngryClip> heh
[11:09] <mustard5> strike3_, you around now?
[11:09] <phiqtion> the menu.1st file is blank
[11:09] <mustard5> phiqtion, you sure you got the right directory
[11:09] <mustard5> ?
[11:09] <strike3_> mustard5: yes
[11:10] <mustard5> strike3_, _native_ is back
[11:10] <thoreauputic> phiqtion: lst not 1st
[11:10] <thoreauputic> phiqtion: it's an "ell"
[11:10] <hyphenated> phiqtion: short for "list"
[11:10] <thoreauputic> not a "one"
[11:10] <_native_> where oh where could strike3 be the reboot took'em away from me. he's gone to the internet so i got be good so i can help strike3 use the W E P :-P
[11:10] <_native_> no
[11:10] <_native_> no
[11:10] <mustard5> :D
[11:10] <_native_> no DCC
[11:10] <_native_> !
[11:10] <ubotu> _native_: Wish i knew
[11:11] <_native_> only pm
[11:11] <strike3_> _native_: how did you start the seperate windoe the last time
[11:12] <_native_> like that
[11:13] <voth> can someone point me to where i can grab libavcodec, which repo might have it
[11:14] <thoreauputic> peter@prospero:~ $ apt-cache search libavcodec
[11:14] <thoreauputic> libavcodec-dev - development files for libavcodec
[11:14] <thoreauputic> voth: probably multiverse
[11:14] <thoreauputic> !info libavcodec
[11:15] <thoreauputic> damn
[11:15] <thoreauputic> !info libavcodec-dev
[11:15] <ubotu> libavcodec-dev: (development files for libavcodec), section universe/libdevel, is optional. Version: 3:0.cvs20050918-4ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 2363 kB, Installed size: 6572 kB
[11:15] <thoreauputic> ther's no libavcodec - only the -dev version
[11:15] <voth> i need the dev version
[11:16] <thoreauputic> voth: well if you read ubotu you'll see it's in universe
[11:16] <voth> needed to un-# it in my sources.list
[11:17] <BockBilbo> hello
[11:17] <thoreauputic> voth: if you are compiling something that needs that I suggest you enable multiverse as well
[11:17] <mustard5> welcome BockBilbo
[11:18] <thoreauputic> voth: a lot of multimedia stuff is non-free
[11:18] <voth> really, it shouldn't take an act of congress to get a dvd to play
[11:18] <thoreauputic> voth: in the US it would :)
[11:18] <thoreauputic> !restricted
[11:18] <ubotu> rumour has it, restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats ; also see !javadebs (for sun-java debs) and !w32codecs
[11:18] <mustard5> voth, what you using to play DVD?
[11:19] <voth> well, i'm following the instruction to install mplayer from the ubuntuforums.org site
[11:19] <BockBilbo> thanks nalioth
[11:19] <nalioth> BockBilbo: np
[11:19] <thoreauputic> voth: you know that mplayer is in the repos, right?
[11:20] <thoreauputic> !info mplayer-386
[11:20] <ubotu> mplayer-386: (The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux), section multiverse/graphics, is extra. Version: 1:1.0-pre7cvs20050716-0.1ubuntu9 (breezy), Packaged size: 3729 kB, Installed size: 8268 kB
[11:20] <thoreauputic> ..or mplayer-586  etc
[11:21] <mustard5> voth, we have complete instructions for setting up DVD if you wish
[11:21] <voth> which repo, because it can't find it
[11:21] <mustard5> voth, well lets work on your sources.list first then
[11:21] <voth> ok
[11:21] <mustard5> voth, you on breezy?
[11:21] <voth> yep
[11:22] <thoreauputic> voth:  mplayer-386: (The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux), section multiverse/graphics  <<----
[11:22] <BockBilbo> got a question related to gpl, but not to ubuntu. I have to install a picture viewer on my granpa's computer, which uses win98 (my family didnt allow me to install him ubuntu or any other linux distro). I wanted to know if any of you know of a nice image viewer program based on gpl  that doesnt use much memory for him?
[11:22] <voth> where is that
[11:22] <thoreauputic> so you need the word "multiverse" at the end of your "universe" lines
[11:23] <mustard5> voth, type sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list for me in terminal
[11:23] <thoreauputic> in /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:23] <mustard5> voth, then go to this link and copy and paste the sources.list there over the top of your old sources.list
[11:23] <mustard5> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325
[11:25] <mustard5> voth, then save and run sudo apt-get update
[11:25] <thoreauputic> BockBilbo: well, the gimp is available for windows, but that might be overkill
[11:26] <BockBilbo> thoreauputic, perhaps that more and image editor than an image viewer
[11:26] <thoreauputic> BockBilbo: true
[11:26] <mustard5> BockBilbo, I don't know of a gpl one, but I know I like irfanview on windows :)
[11:26] <BockBilbo> perhaps i was thinking on a program similar to gthumb
[11:26] <thoreauputic> BockBilbo: did you try googling for "open source image viewer windows"  ?
[11:27] <voth> ok, which mplayer to install now?
[11:27] <mustard5> BockBilbo,  you searched at sourceforge.net?
[11:27] <BockBilbo> i tried it with gpl insted of open source
[11:27] <BockBilbo> ok
[11:27] <BockBilbo> gonna try to search google for that and also sf
[11:27] <BockBilbo> :)
[11:27] <BockBilbo> thanks mustard5 thoreauputic
[11:27] <BockBilbo> :)
[11:27] <mustard5> voth, what kernel you running?
[11:28] <thoreauputic> BockBilbo: this might help: http://www.jairlie.com/oss/suggestedapplications.html
[11:28] <vini> can I enable the CD eject by the driver button?
[11:28] <mustard5> voth, and what cpu you have?
[11:28] <mustard5> voth, kernel version is returned with the command uname -r
[11:29] <voth>  2.6.12-9-386
[11:29] <aftertaf> voth: whats your cpu?
[11:29] <mustard5> voth, ok 386
[11:29] <mustard5> voth, cpu?
[11:29] <aftertaf> ;) mustard5
[11:29] <voth> p4 2.4ghz
[11:29] <BockBilbo> thanks thoreauputic :) http://www.jairlie.com/oss/suggestedapplications.html#graphics i have some there
[11:29] <BockBilbo> :()
[11:29] <BockBilbo> :)
[11:29] <aftertaf> linux-686
[11:30] <mustard5> voth, ok mplayer-586
[11:30] <aftertaf> voth: install linux-686 package then
[11:30] <thoreauputic> BockBilbo: :))
[11:30] <thoreauputic> the 586 and 686 mplayers are identical I think
[11:30] <dystopianray> how can I disable the X cursor? I'm running a fullscreen game that renders it's own cursor and I need to stop the X cursor from appearing
[11:30] <mustard5> voth, I might be wrong on that :)
[11:30] <mustard5> voth, hehe
[11:31] <mustard5> voth, you got nvidia drivers installed?
[11:31] <voth> my choices - http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4295
[11:31] <BockBilbo> thanks to all
[11:31] <BockBilbo> :)
[11:31] <BockBilbo> i gotta go
[11:31] <BockBilbo> bye!
[11:31] <voth> no, actually. haven't installed the nvidia drivers
[11:31] <mustard5> BockBilbo, cya
[11:31] <BockBilbo> bye
[11:32] <aftertaf> voth: then dont ;)
[11:32] <voth> should i install 586 then
[11:32] <mustard5> voth, well you could go with the mplayer-386 or you could install a 686 kernel and use mplayer-686
[11:33] <aftertaf> voth: do that ^^^^^
[11:33] <mustard5> voth, if you have nvidia card then you will need and extra 686 restricted module for your kernel
[11:33] <NoobieDoobieDo> hrm...gaim keeps freezing (live cd horay)
[11:33] <NoobieDoobieDo> but only in yahoo chat rooms.
[11:33] <thoreauputic> voth: keep it simple and install the mplayer-386 package - you won't see a big difference
[11:34] <mustard5> nalioth, no?
[11:34] <voth> i'll just keep it simple, no reason to make this anything like rocket science
[11:34] <mustard5> nalioth, it says 686 in synaptic
[11:35] <thoreauputic> mustard5: it's a "transitional package" - it installs 586
[11:35] <nalioth> mustard5: can you say
[11:35] <nalioth> dummy package?
[11:35] <mustard5> yep
[11:35] <Terra-Niux> Hello how can I make ubuntu boot into a command prompt not a desktop
[11:36] <thoreauputic> Terra-Niux:  echo "false" | sudo tee /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[11:36] <nalioth> Terra-Niux: check your priv msgs
[11:37] <blueblood> How do I mount a samba share?
[11:37] <Terra-Niux> its for a server so im only going to ssh into it from another computer
[11:37] <aftertaf> Terra-Niux: you did the default installation?
[11:37] <thoreauputic> Terra-Niux: then uninstall gdm
[11:37] <Terra-Niux> yeah
[11:37] <aftertaf> you can also remove X completely if it wont be needed
[11:37] <NoobieDoobieDo> it must be a violation to include java w/the OS.
[11:38] <NoobieDoobieDo> cause ive yet to see a system that comes w/it
[11:38] <Terra-Niux> okay how would that be done? uninstalling x that is
[11:38] <thoreauputic> NoobieDoobieDo: it is if it's Sun Java
[11:38] <NoobieDoobieDo> IC.
[11:38] <mustard5> voth, I think mplayer-586 will work
[11:38] <NoobieDoobieDo> so, someone could use say, blackdowns java ?
[11:38] <thoreauputic> NoobieDoobieDo: there's a free java included, but it isn't all that functional
[11:38] <voth> installed 386
[11:38] <mustard5> voth, it seems to for your processor
[11:38] <aftertaf> Terra-Niux: sudo apt-get remove xserver-xorg
[11:38] <mustard5> voth, k
[11:38] <thoreauputic> NoobieDoobieDo: yes, in fact it's in the repos
[11:39] <mustard5> voth, as long as it plays ;)
[11:39] <mustard5> voth, its all good :)
[11:39] <ompaul> Terra-Niux, if you are going to build a server on another machine to save the grief you are about to undergo you can install the server version - by typing server on the command line as the machine boots up and pauses during the install
[11:39] <mustard5> voth, you want how to on setting up DVD play?
[11:39] <ompaul> Terra-Niux, there is also a 'Server' CD version
[11:39] <NoobieDoobieDo> thoreauputic, ic.
[11:39] <thoreauputic> NoobieDoobieDo:  j2re1.4
[11:39] <voth> mplayer doesn't like my dvd+-rw drive, though likes my old standby
[11:39] <thoreauputic> !info j2re1.4
[11:39] <ubotu> j2re1.4: (Blackdown Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition), section multiverse/devel, is optional. Version: <IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu3 (breezy), Packaged size: 21982 kB, Installed size: 58892 kB
[11:39] <Terra-Niux> ah I see
[11:40] <NoobieDoobieDo> this channel owns.
[11:40] !lilo:*! Services will be restarted in a moment to restore a single-channel backup. Please bear with us.
[11:40] <dorto> how to install mediawiki on ubuntu?
[11:40] <NoobieDoobieDo> ima start hanging out here.
[11:40] <nalioth> ompaul: got a linky to d/l ubuntu-server?
[11:40] <ompaul> nalioth, in a moment I will :-)
[11:40] <nalioth> uh oh
[11:40] <mustard5> chanserv gone!
[11:40] <mustard5> hehe
[11:41] <dorto> any mirror u know from where i can apt-get mediawiki?
[11:41] <thoreauputic> voth: :)
[11:41] <mustard5> voth, np
[11:41] <aftertaf> lol
[11:41] <aftertaf>  :)
[11:41] <mustard5> voth, come back anytime :)
[11:41] <aftertaf> or dont even bother disconnecting ;)
[11:42] <mustard5> that too :D
[11:42] <ompaul> nalioth, I only have the torrent on my machine back in a mo have to grep some mail to find it
[11:43] <NoobieDoobieDo> Ive used like 8 or 10 distro's (including livecds). Ubuntu is my favorite.
[11:43] <aftertaf> yeah for ubuntu
[11:43] <NoobieDoobieDo> yes, very much so.
[11:43] <mustard5> dorto, mediawiki is in the universe repository
[11:44] <mustard5> ubotu: tell dorto about repositories
[11:48] <mustard5> gone awful quiet in here :)
[11:48] <NoobieDoobieDo> ;)
[11:48] <wickedpuppy> the bot should be made op in case there is no op when services are down
[11:48] <NoobieDoobieDo> anyone here a kvirc fan ?
[11:49] <mustard5> wb ChanServ
[11:49] <Vespoli> :)
[11:50] <ignotus> hello, how can I run 32bit binary on amd64?
[11:50] <ompaul> nalioth, the last place you look is the first place you find it :-)  http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/ubuntu-server/5.10/
[11:51] !lilo:*! Service restored.... thank you for your patience!
[11:54] <TNTales> there
[11:54] <bimberi> ubotu tell ignotus about chroot
[11:54] <TNTales> oyu
[11:54] <mustard5> ignotus, I think everyone is tied up in another channel doing something
[11:54] <TNTales> ok, question
[11:54] <TNTales> I'm at the partition manager
[11:54] <TNTales> and I need to mount
[11:55] <mustard5> TNTales, you might explain your goal first
[11:55] <NoobieDoobieDo> mount what
[11:55] <TNTales> ok, I have an Error 17 from grub
[11:55] <TNTales> so I can't boot up my OS, ubuntu or windows
[11:55] <TNTales> supposedly using the partition manager w/the ubuntu install disk
[11:55] <mustard5> so you want to restore grub?
[11:56] <TNTales> i can restore them by remounting the partitions
[11:56] <TNTales> yes, restore grub
[11:56] <mustard5> TNTales, you read the wiki guide?
[11:56] <TNTales> i read the forum post
[11:56] <TNTales> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24113
[11:56] <TNTales> it's a HowTO restore GRUB
[11:56] <mustard5> TNTales, ok..we have a wiki guide in here it might be the same I dont know
[11:56] <mustard5> !grub
[11:56] <ubotu> grub is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows, or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[11:57] <ignotus> bimberi: thx
[11:57] <bimberi> ignotus: yw :)
[11:57] <TNTales> 17 : Cannot mount selected partition
[11:57] <TNTales> This error is returned if the partition requested exists, but the filesystem type cannot be recognized by GRUB.
[11:58] <mustard5> TNTales, you got a liveCD?
[11:58] <TNTales> no
[11:58] <mustard5> TNTales, hmmm k
[11:58] <TNTales> i was trying the install cd method
[11:59] <TNTales> i just don't know what commands mount the existing partition that it's not recognizing
[11:59] <TNTales> when i get to !!! partition disks
[11:59] <holycow> *hmmm*
[11:59] <holycow> i'm loving banshee music player
[11:59] <holycow> sweet
[11:59] <holycow> support for ipod too apearently
[11:59] <TNTales> I just see IDE master (hda) - 60.0 GB IC25N060ATMR04-4
[11:59] <mustard5> TNTales, what is the fileformat?
[11:59] <TNTales> no partitions listed
[11:59] <TNTales> ok, i have an NTFS for windows
[12:00] <TNTales> an ext3 for linux
[12:00] <TNTales> and a big FAT32 (VFAT) for file swapping
[12:00] <TNTales> i had to use the windows disk manager to make that last partition so windows would see it
[12:00] <TNTales> couldn't find manual mounting instructions
[12:01] <mustard5> TNTales, man mount
[12:01] <TNTales> If I'm screwed I"ll just do a clean reinstall, but after 4 days of work, I woudl like to know taht I won't have to do all that again
[12:01] <TNTales> no, i mean teh commands in WINDOWS
[12:01] <TNTales> i can do it in linux
[12:01] <mustard5> TNTales, I have no idea about windows
[12:01] <kbrooks> TNTales: have the livecd?
[12:01] <kbrooks> use it
[12:02] <kbrooks> ubuntu livecd
[12:02] <TNTales> kbrooks no i don't have it
[12:02] <mustard5> kbrooks, he doesnt :)
[12:02] <kbrooks> TNTales: you dont? burned it yourself
[12:02] <kbrooks> ?
[12:02] <TNTales> it's 6 am here, I just got everything working and this bull happens
[12:02] <TNTales> yeah, i dld the ISO for the install
[12:03] <TNTales> and did everything on my own (with lots of RT-ing of the FM-s and late night chats)
[12:03] <TNTales> Just had everything installed, got everything running (except the wireless ports forwarded) wine, all that
[12:03] <TNTales> and now this... this... BGULLSHIT
[12:03] <TNTales> ngaaaaah
[12:03] <mustard5> TNTales, stay calm :)
[12:03] <TNTales> *deep breath*
[12:03] <TNTales> this is fixable
[12:04] <mustard5> TNTales, I'm thinking about it...
[12:04] <mustard5> TNTales, its new to me too
[12:04] <TNTales> i appreciate it, I'm just sleepy
[12:04] <mustard5> TNTales, now I imagine you have to mount these drives on a directory
[12:04] <kbrooks> TNTales: go to bed, u need a fresh head
[12:04] <TNTales> I work on this when I'm not at work, and catch a little sleep here and there, heh
[12:04] <TNTales> yeah, see, the thing is, they are still on there
[12:05] <TNTales> the windows install cd shows the partitions still existing with the files intact
[12:05] <kbrooks> yes
[12:05] <TNTales> grub just doesn't see them and neither does the ubuntu loader
[12:05] <kbrooks> but grub wont boot it
[12:05] <TNTales> right, won't boot
[12:05] <kbrooks> yeah ...
[12:05] <TNTales> and if you try to install grub (from the list of things in the install cd)
[12:05] <TNTales> it takes you to the partition manager
[12:05] <TNTales> I may just have to download the livecd
[12:05] <kbrooks> it SEES the harddisk, and it even sees the menu.lst
[12:06] <kbrooks> no problem with that
[12:06] <TNTales> it shows it as empty though, not even w/free space
[12:06] <kbrooks> it just cant detect ... huh?
[12:06] <TNTales> just the IDE MASTER
[12:06] <kbrooks> empoty?
[12:06] <kbrooks> define empty?
[12:06] <TNTales> no partitions
[12:06] <TNTales> nothing
[12:06] <TNTales> just the IDE MASTER (HDA) BLASHAHA
[12:07] <kbrooks> TNTales: win32 doesnt detect those ext3 partitions
[12:07] <TNTales> right, not in windows
[12:07] <bungle> COuld my PSU be maken my pc reboot randomly ... and on ocasions not letting the monitor come out of suspend
[12:07] <TNTales> but the windows install cd
[12:07] <TNTales> has a partiton manager
[12:07] <kbrooks> TNTales: yes i know that
[12:07] <mustard5> TNTales, I heard something like this earlier..you go to the language setup part, then hit <back> and it will show a menu and you can go to an option to setup boot manager
[12:07] <TNTales> and it shows those partitions
[12:08] <TNTales> ok, setup boot manager... looking
[12:08] <kbrooks> TNTales: ubuntu install cd, use it'
[12:08] <TNTales> I'm using it
[12:08] <kbrooks> mustard5: oh wait there is a problem with that
[12:08] <TNTales> kbrooks that's what i was telling you, the partition manager
[12:08] <TNTales> is what is not seeing my partitions
[12:08] <kbrooks> you have to install the base system first
[12:09] <TNTales> so i have to reinstall unbutu?
[12:09] <TNTales> like start over?
[12:09] <kbrooks> TNTales: no
[12:09] <TNTales> ok, whew
[12:09] <nalioth> kbrooks: got a new perspective on mr gibson?
[12:09] <TNTales> ok, when i select "Install GRUB Boot Loader"
[12:09] <kbrooks> grab the livecd and boot it up. you'll want to check around
[12:09] <TNTales> it takes me to "{!!]  PARTITION disks"
[12:09] <kbrooks> for any partitions
[12:10] <TNTales> ok, I'll go dl the damned live cd
[12:10] <mustard5> TNTales,  and partition disks give you an error?
[12:10] <kbrooks> TNTales: the menuitem depends on that other menuitem
[12:10] <TNTales> no, what I see is
[12:10] <mustard5> TNTales, the how to says to choose manual partition at that stage
[12:11] <TNTales> IDE1 master (hda) - 60.0 GB IC25N060ATMR04-0
[12:11] <kbrooks> mustard5: please!
[12:11] <TNTales> so select the master and do manual partition?
[12:11] <kbrooks> mustard5: he does not need to startover just yet
[12:12] <kbrooks> TNTales: Nope. pressing enter on wthe master will ask you if you want to clear the partition table
[12:12] <TNTales> i hope i was supposed to pick yes there
[12:12] <kbrooks> effectively destroying all data
[12:12] <TNTales> or that undo works
[12:12] <kbrooks> TNTales: it works
[12:12] <TNTales> whew
[12:12] <TNTales> ok
[12:12] <TNTales> so i pick NO there or YES?
[12:13] <kbrooks> just go back and show us what the partitions are
[12:13] <kbrooks> say no, ...
[12:13] <TNTales> ok, when i pick no
[12:13] <TNTales> it goes back to that same screen
[12:13] <TNTales> nothing there
[12:13] <kbrooks> TNTales: huh?
[12:13] <TNTales> just the IDE thingy
[12:13] <kbrooks> undo
[12:13] <TNTales> ok
[12:14] <kbrooks> and dont touch anything else
[12:14] <TNTales> ok, when i hit ENTER on the MASTER
[12:14] <kbrooks> TNTales: NO
[12:14] <TNTales> it asks if I want to prepare a partition table
[12:14] <TNTales> of free space
[12:14] <kbrooks> TNTales: i already described what it does
[12:14] <TNTales> ok, I selected NO
[12:15] <kbrooks> TNTales: please say no and show us the partition information
[12:15] <kbrooks> we need it ;)
[12:15] <TNTales> ok
[12:15] <TNTales> it doesn't say anythign different, that's what I've been trying to tell you
[12:15] <Magic07> i have installed  ubuntu on my imac...everything went fine but the root is set sdb4 in yaboot but was installed on sdc4...any suggestions on how to fix this
[12:15] <TNTales> it goes back to IDE1 master...
[12:15] <TNTales> no partitions
[12:15] <TNTales> not even free space
[12:15] <TNTales> no table, nothing
[12:16] <kbrooks> TNTales: reboot and recheck. i'm not even sure that is even possible
[12:16] <TNTales> aborting, rebooting
[12:16] <TNTales> ubuntu installer is loading... ....
[12:17] <Siropel> anyone got some ideas why /etc/init.d/apache2 start won't start apache ?
[12:17] <TNTales> ok, i'm at the default installation stage "Press ENTER"
[12:17] <TNTales> booting install
[12:17] <kbrooks> TNTales: okay
[12:17] <TNTales> ok, we're back to the select your language
[12:17] <kbrooks> TNTales: go back, select partition
[12:18] <mustard5> Siropel, I'm thinking you just use apache
[12:18] <kbrooks> mustard5: No.
[12:18] <mustard5> Siropel, I can't recall though
[12:19] <Siropel> mustard5 i used it, but stoped it
[12:19] <kbrooks> Siropel: Did you install apache or apache2
[12:19] <kbrooks> TNTales: ping
[12:19] <Siropel> both
[12:19] <TNTales> kbrooks do i go through all the steps before partition?
[12:19] <Siropel> but apache is stoped
[12:19] <kbrooks> TNTales: NO.
[12:19] <kbrooks> No*
[12:19] <TNTales> ok
[12:20] <TNTales> ok, i hit escape (at the language select)
[12:20] <TNTales> it gives me the following options
[12:20] <TNTales> Choose Language
[12:20] <TNTales> Select A Keyboard Layout
[12:20] <TNTales> Detect and Mount a CD-ROM
[12:20] <TNTales> Load Installer Components from CD
[12:20] <Marlun> I need some help, I'm new to linux/ubuntu but have just installed ubuntu on a Virtual PC to test it, but I'm not able to enter the character @ for some reason, I'm on a swedish keyboard and everything works except when I hit <AlrGr + 2> nothing happends. What can be wrong?
[12:21] <TNTales> Change Debconf priiorty
[12:21] <TNTales> Check CD-ROM integrity
[12:21] <TNTales> Execute a Shell
[12:21] <TNTales> and Abort Installation
[12:21] <kbrooks> TNTales: erm. you were at a later stage in the installer, right?
[12:21] <TNTales> no, i hadn't moved
[12:22] <TNTales> ok, i'll start...
[12:22] <TNTales> detecting hardware....
[12:22] <kbrooks> TNTales: k
[12:22] <TNTales> scanning cd rom....
[12:22] <kbrooks> k
[12:22] <TNTales> loading additional components....
[12:22] <kbrooks> TNTales: ubuntu breezy?
[12:22] <TNTales> detectin network hardware..
[12:22] <TNTales> kbrooks yes
[12:22] <kbrooks> kk.
[12:23] <TNTales> 5.10, latest build
[12:23] <kbrooks> TNTales: did it boot before?
[12:23] <TNTales> network is of course unplugged
[12:23] <TNTales> yes, I've been working in it for some time
[12:23] <TNTales> almost a week
[12:23] <TNTales> got wine installed and configured, got all my apps, got my desktop like i like it
[12:23] <kbrooks> i mean ubuntu
[12:24] <TNTales> yes, ubuntu
[12:24] <kbrooks> kk.
[12:24] <TNTales> even had little penguin icons :****(
[12:24] <kbrooks> so at 6, this just happens
[12:24] <TNTales> yup
[12:24] <kbrooks> without warning?
[12:24] <TNTales> ok: what i did just before
[12:24] <kbrooks> what about yesterday?
[12:24] <TNTales> was in windows, downloading stuff from steam
[12:24] <TNTales> and I made an additional partition on my hard drive
[12:24] <TNTales> of some remaining free space
[12:25] <kbrooks> for what
[12:25] <TNTales> to stuff media files in to share between windows and linux
[12:25] <kbrooks> ... and
[12:25] <kbrooks> ?
[12:25] <TNTales> there's instructions on how to mount partitions made in windows
[12:25] <TNTales> for linux
[12:25] <TNTales> but not vice versa
[12:26] <kbrooks> yes
[12:26] <bungle> I have 30gig spare space to save pcs and movies n stuff in for when I format
[12:26] <TNTales> so i had to make one using the terrible windows disk manager
[12:26] <kbrooks> you can mount linux in windows
[12:26] <TNTales> well, i used disk manager
[12:26] <TNTales> and made my partition, loaded some files on it, etc
[12:26] <kbrooks> TNTales: XP?
[12:26] <kbrooks> or xp cd?
[12:26] <TNTales> kbrooks yes, XP SP2
[12:26] <kbrooks> kk.
[12:26] <LathropWells> Parttion Recovery "TestDisk"      take a peek see what you think - www.cgsecurity.org/testdisk.html
[12:26] <TNTales> under system tools
[12:26] <TNTales> i think
[12:26] <TNTales> right click on my computer and click manage
[12:27] <kbrooks> TNTales: yes
[12:27] <TNTales> yeah, made partition, made it FAT32, quick formatted
[12:27] <TNTales> put some files on it
[12:27] <kbrooks> and then?
[12:27] <TNTales> and restarted computer
[12:27] <TNTales> and POOF
[12:27] <TNTales> Error 17
[12:28] <kbrooks> TNTales: OK
[12:28] <kbrooks> TNTales: so it just happened
[12:28] <TNTales> i suspected my new partition
[12:28] <TNTales> yes, just happened
[12:28] <kbrooks> ok
[12:28] <kbrooks> TNTales: partitioning step yet?
[12:28] <TNTales> so i thought i was fried, so i put in the XP OS Recovery Disk
[12:28] <TNTales> go ahead and do the username, etc? or skip out of that?
[12:29] <kbrooks> ?
[12:29] <TNTales> it's asking me to put in a host name?
[12:29] <TNTales> is this where i skip ahead to the partition thingy?
[12:29] <kbrooks> skip out
[12:29] <TNTales> ok, and go to???
[12:30] <TNTales> partition disks?
[12:30] <kbrooks> partition disks
[12:30] <TNTales> ok
[12:30] <TNTales> detecting hardware...
[12:30] <TNTales> starting partitioner...
[12:30] <kbrooks> if its still blank, i'm not sure what to do
[12:30] <kbrooks> (ie no partitions)
[12:30] <TNTales> ok, gives me options of: Erase Entire Disk, Erease and use LVM
[12:30] <TNTales> or manually edit table
[12:30] <TNTales> manual yes?
[12:30] <kbrooks> TNTales: huh? no list?
[12:31] <TNTales> ok, here's what it says:
[12:31] <TNTales> Configure software RAID
[12:31] <TNTales> Configure Logical Volume Manager
[12:31] <TNTales> Guided Partitioning
[12:31] <TNTales> Help on partitioning
[12:31] <TNTales> then the IDE thingy we saw before
[12:31] <TNTales> no partition table listed
[12:32] <kbrooks> ...
[12:32] <TNTales> then undo changes, finsih partitioning
[12:32] <wickedpuppy> hmms ... this will be the second longest help session ...
[12:32] <kbrooks> *shocked*
[12:32] <TNTales> i probably messed it up
[12:32] <TNTales> and I coudl start over, it'd just be a pain in the butt
[12:32] <kbrooks> TNTales: grub can detect it!!!
[12:32] <TNTales> grub sees the drive, but not the partition table
[12:32] <TNTales> it sees the master
[12:32] <TNTales> none of the partitions though
[12:33] <BockBilbo> bye!
[12:33] <TNTales> *thinking bad thoughts about linux*
[12:33] <kbrooks> TNTales: so how could it have put out error 17
[12:33] <TNTales> i dunno
[12:33] <kbrooks> the partitions are unmountable
[12:33] <TNTales> right
[12:33] <kbrooks> undetectable
[12:33] <kbrooks> etc
[12:33] <TNTales> but, the windows install disk shows them as there
[12:33] <TNTales> so they are on the disk w/the info on them
[12:33] <kbrooks> yet windows detects them
[12:33] <TNTales> yes, i just can't boot to windows
[12:33] <TNTales> because grub fails
[12:33] <kbrooks> yes
[12:34] <kbrooks> TNTales: so we neeed to think
[12:34] <TNTales> so a bad boot record?
[12:34] <kbrooks> of something
[12:34] <kbrooks> brb
[12:34] <TNTales> well, the least pleasing but simplest option is: Wipe and Restart
[12:34] <TNTales> hoepfully we can avoid that
[12:34] <kbrooks> breakfast
[12:34] <TNTales> I had mine at the computer, lol
[12:34] <TNTales> buscuits and mountain dew
[12:34] <TNTales> heh
[12:34] <TNTales> biscuits
[12:35] <TNTales> ok, I tell you what, you think while you eat, I'm going to go to bed
[12:35] <LathropWells> Parttion Recovery "TestDisk"      take a peek see what you think - www.cgsecurity.org/testdisk.html
[12:35] <TNTales> if you think of something
[12:35] <TNTales> post it in the absolute beginner forum
[12:35] <TNTales> and I'll check it out
[12:35] <TNTales> may just need to boot the live cd
[12:35] <TNTales> will the live cd boot?
[12:36] <TNTales> w/out grub?
[12:36] <Habbie> the live cd needs -nothing-, that's the idea :)
[12:36] <Tzi> Hi =) Anyone had experience with Quake 2 under Linux?  I'm attempting to get multiplayer working over a 256/64 ADSL connection.. Unfortunately, as soon as I move, I get a 'disconnected' icon, and suddenly can't move any more, although I can see others moving, and read incoming messages (outgoing messages take a good 10, 20 secs to send)
[12:36] <Tzi> I guess the uplink is being saturated with traffic, but I'm not sure how to stop it happening =)
[12:37] <TNTales> this really pisses me off
[12:37] <hukkka> anyone here happen to have experience on bluetooth gprs connections?
[12:37] <ompaul> TNTales, language please
[12:37] <hukkka> or gprsec
[12:38] <kbrooks> TNTales: well, poke
[12:38] <kbrooks> TNTales: livecd. dl it.
[12:38] <LathropWells> Tzi - Hello, sorry to hear that you are having problems. - i wasn't able to install it all. how did you install Quake 2?
[12:38] <kbrooks> TNTales: and then boot it
[12:39] <TNTales> *sigh* ok
[12:39] <Tzi> LathropWells: I just downloaded the binary from a mirror, and untarred it over the installation =)
[12:39] <TNTales> if that doesn't work, I think my linux adventures may come to a close
[12:39] <TNTales> it's feeling less and less worth it
[12:39] <LathropWells> Tzi - Ok, Thanks i will give that a try.
[12:40] <kbrooks> TNTales: u have to work for what you get
[12:40] <kbrooks> TNTales: switching back to windows just because of partitioning troubles is not going to work
[12:41] <jpfarias> hi!
[12:41] <jpfarias> is there a development version after breezy?
[12:41] <aftertaf> not yey
[12:41] <aftertaf> yet
[12:41] <kbrooks> TNTales: in the livecd, you will want to ... emm, i havent really used it, but i think i can blame windows
[12:41] <aftertaf> !dapper
[12:41] <ubotu> The 6.04 version of Ubuntu will be called the "Dapper Drake" release.
[12:42] <LathropWells> TNTales - If a computer phobic like me can install and use Linux so can you.
[12:42] <kbrooks> LathropWells: HE HAS
[12:42] <TNTales> LathropWells Oh, I installed it
[12:42] <kbrooks> LathropWells: 1 week
[12:42] <TNTales> I had a configured, completely installed, drive shared
[12:42] <aftertaf> TNTales: you lost your grub?
[12:42] <bimberi> dapper repositories are open, but they'd be for the brave
[12:42] <TNTales> wireless on the verge
[12:42] <TNTales> and poof
[12:42] <kbrooks> !grub
[12:42] <TNTales> error 17, grub just won't work
[12:42] <ubotu> hmm... grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows, or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[12:42] <kbrooks> aftertaf: no
[12:42] <mustard5> afteraf lost his grub and only has install CD
[12:43] <kbrooks> aftertaf: both of us, me and TNTales concluded (for now) that ...
[12:43] <Liket> where can I get the linux kernel source tree for ubuntu 5.10? i need it to compile a driver, is there a package to install?
[12:43] <kbrooks> mustard5: he didnt lose it
[12:43] <aftertaf> Liket: lunux-source package
[12:43] <Liket> sweet, thanks
[12:43] <aftertaf> Liket: spot the spelling mistake ;)
[12:43] <LathropWells> lol
[12:44] <mustard5> kbrooks, your calling the shots..I've been told to stay quiet :)
[12:44] <kbrooks> mustard5: he created a new partition, rebooted, *bang*
[12:44] <Liket> hehe np
[12:44] <kbrooks> error 17
[12:44] <TNTales> yup, POOF
[12:44] <TNTales> thought i must have erased the HDD
[12:44] <TNTales> but when i put in the windows OS recovery cd
[12:44] <Liket> is there a text based package manager (like synaptic) that'll work over SSH?
[12:44] <TNTales> it picked up the partitions as still being there
[12:45] <bimberi> Liket: you might only need the headers - sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[12:45] <LathropWells> gee kbrooks i usually have to pull the plug on reiserfs to get my parttions to go *BANG*
[12:45] <kbrooks> TNTales: i have a idea
[12:45] <kbrooks> TNTales: get the recovery cd
[12:45] <bimberi> Liket: aptitude :)
[12:45] <kbrooks> remove the shared partition
[12:45] <TNTales> ok, js
[12:46] <kbrooks> k
[12:46] <Liket> wow, that $(command) will come in very handy, you learn something new every day :) tnx
[12:46] <bimberi> Liket: np :)
[12:47] <aftertaf> Liket: whats that?
[12:47] <aftertaf> $mv
[12:47] <aftertaf> ??
[12:47] <TNTales> booting...
[12:47] <kbrooks> aftertaf: no
[12:47] <Liket> aftertaf: well, it appeared to grab the console output of whatever was put within the paranthesis and append it to the commandline
[12:48] <aftertaf> ok ;) gotcha....
[12:48] <Liket> aftertaf: i remember needing to do that once way back when, and having no idea how :)
[12:48] <kbrooks> TNTales: post this all the forums too -- that you have a booting problem
[12:48] <TNTales> loading files...
[12:48] <TNTales> ok, lets try this first, if it works, we can post it as a solution
[12:48] <TNTales> :)
[12:48] <bimberi> Liket:  probably with back-quotes (which also work)
[12:48] <aftertaf> TNTales: :)
[12:49] <TNTales> I was getting ready to try out Half Life 2 in WINE :)
[12:49] <kbrooks> TNTales: hopefully it should work
[12:49] <TNTales> I have to get up for work in 6 hours, heh
[12:49] <phinnaeus> dang bf2 doesnt work
[12:49] <phinnaeus> speaking of wine
[12:49] <kbrooks> TNTales: you can readd the partition in the future
[12:49] <LathropWells> TNTales it works very well in cedega.
[12:49] <phinnaeus> cedega costs money
[12:50] <kbrooks> phinnaeus: uh no
[12:50] <phinnaeus> it doens't?
[12:50] <kbrooks> phinnaeus: there is a free cedegaa too
[12:50] <phinnaeus> i thought it did
[12:50] <phinnaeus> ohhhhhh
[12:50] <TNTales> ok, i'm in the recovery part
[12:50] <kbrooks> u have to pay for the binaries
[12:50] <TNTales> shoudl i try the "fix boot command?
[12:50] <TNTales> writes a new boot sector to drive C
[12:51] <phinnaeus> kbrooks: should i just google free cedega?
[12:51] <phinnaeus> lol
[12:51] <kbrooks> TNTales: uh ok. not sure if that'll work. it'll overwrite grub
[12:51] <TNTales> ok, i put no then
[12:51] <LathropWells> wine can be gotten from CVS - transgaming protects non disclosure agreements on disk copy protection on some games. that small amount of code isn't released.
[12:51] <TNTales> Wine is supposed to be pretty good though.. dunno haven't got to try it yet :/
[12:51] <kbrooks> TNTales: remove the shared partition that windows detected
[12:52] <TNTales> ok, had to reboot from the console
[12:52] <kbrooks> LathropWells: cedega != wine
[12:52] <TNTales> isn't cedega more of an emulator though?
[12:52] <kbrooks> wine <- (winex -> cedega)
[12:52] <TNTales> like more windows dependant than wine?
[12:52] <kbrooks> TNTales: no
[12:52] <TNTales> ah, ok
[12:52] <TNTales> i tried to get winex to work, ended up just being easier to do terminal stuff
[12:53] <LathropWells> TNTales - it works.  to me Cedega is handy and quicker to get your game working.
[12:53] <kbrooks> cedega is a fork of wine. cedega was known as winex
[12:53] <phinnaeus> kbrooks: where is this free cedega you speak of
[12:54] <TNTales> ok, deleted partition
[12:54] <TNTales> restart?
[12:54] <dylan_rogers> is there anywhere in linux that i can adjust security settings?
[12:54] <TNTales> or create a partition again?
[12:54] <LathropWells> kbrooks - yes but still not all wine code is cedega
[12:54] <NoobieDoobieDo> dylan_rogers, what kind of security settings ?
[12:54] <dylan_rogers> NoobieDoobieDo, like Group Policy under Windows
[12:54] <dylan_rogers> NoobieDoobieDo, or something
[12:55] <Liket> holy crap it worked!! :)
[12:55] <thefish> o/
[12:55] <TNTales> kbrooks well, i don't see grub
[12:55] <kbrooks> phinnaeus: google winecvs
[12:55] <TNTales> but windows will now boot
[12:55] <TNTales> it skips over grub
[12:55] <TNTales> all together
[12:55] <kbrooks> TNTales: okay
[12:55] <NoobieDoobieDo> dylan_rogers, System -> Administration -> Users and Groups ?
[12:55] <LathropWells> <<< - still misses Loki Games - R.I.P. bankrupted.
[12:55] <TNTales> ah, it's doing the installation though
[12:55] <kbrooks> TNTales: of what?
[12:56] <Liket> i now have a new compiled driver (.ko) for my hard disk controller.. it's my boot drive though. should i just replace the old file with the new file and reboot? or do i need to add it to a ram disk image or similar?
[12:56] <TNTales> rebooting
[12:56] <dylan_rogers> NoobieDoobieDo, thats it?
[12:56] <TNTales> *crosses fingers*
[12:56] <NoobieDoobieDo> looks like it
[12:56] <dylan_rogers> NoobieDoobieDo, is linux really secure by default as some say?
[12:56] <kbrooks> dylan_rogers: yes
[12:56] <TNTales> now i'm stuck in the install loop!
[12:56] <TNTales> crap
[12:56] <TNTales> it wants to set up windows :/
[12:57] <TNTales> putting in the ubuntu cd
[12:57] <TNTales> hehe
[12:57] <TNTales> tryu that
[12:57] <dylan_rogers> kbrooks, sweetness....so im never really gonna get hit with a virus/spyware app like under Windows, etc?  Microsoft says that Vista will be secure.....will they accomplish security?
[12:57] <NoobieDoobieDo> dylan_rogers, yes.
[12:57] <ompaul> dylan_rogers, why would they say it was if it was not, Linux does not have a marketing system
[12:57] <ompaul> dylan_rogers, they said that about 95
[12:57] <NoobieDoobieDo> dylan_rogers, there are many resources on the net that can tell you why.  part of the problem is windows is _insecure_ by nature.
[12:57] <kbrooks> TNTales: heh. well, I don't really KNOW why the IDE is blank
[12:57] <ompaul> 2000 and xp
[12:57] <dylan_rogers> ompaul, they did?
[12:58] <kbrooks> dylan_rogers: yes they did
[12:58] <dylan_rogers> NoobieDoobieDo, i thought it was because it was so popular.  if linux was to be as popular as windows, would we see any viruses
[12:58] <LathropWells> dylan - yes. - at least some of the reason s linux is less than ten percent of machines on the desktop. - only the most energetic anti social hackers have time for us after writing code exploits for windows
[12:58] <kbrooks> dylan_rogers: no viruses
[12:58] <kbrooks> erm
[12:58] <kbrooks> very few
[12:58] <TNTales> kbrooks aren't all great discoveries made on the virtue of a lack of knowledge, heh
[12:58] <ompaul> dylan_rogers, go look at the marketing for those days
[12:58] <NoobieDoobieDo> dylan_rogers, their core structure is different. linux by design is more secure and stable than windows can ever be give the way it is designed.
[12:58] <kbrooks> trojans technically exist as rootkits
[12:58] <NoobieDoobieDo> i hope this makes sense.
[12:59] <hukkka> does anyone know which port does bluetooth use in ubuntu?
[12:59] <dylan_rogers> kbrooks, but they dont do anything without the user explicity allowing privelages, right?
[12:59] <TNTales> nope, doesn't appear
[12:59] <kbrooks> dylan_rogers: uh, right.
[12:59] <LathropWells> still a few exploits out there - read the internet weather report for yeserday?
[12:59] <kbrooks> TNTales: hmm. sooo strange
[12:59] <dylan_rogers> kbrooks, is that sarcasm, or a yes?
[12:59] <kbrooks> dylan_rogers: s/uh, //
[12:59] <kbrooks> dylan_rogers: its a yes
[01:00] <TNTales> and it goes back to the freakin windows set up!
[01:00] <LathropWells> Lupper worm had a party on some wiki equiped servers
[01:00] <TNTales> i think I'm gonna test the aerodynamics of my newly minted paperweigh :/
[01:00] <NoobieDoobieDo> dylan_rogers, http://www.theregister.co.uk/security/security_report_windows_vs_linux/
[01:00] <kbrooks> TNTales: you should really reinstall
[01:00] <kbrooks> from stratch
[01:00] <TNTales> yeah, looks that way
[01:00] <TNTales> screw it
[01:01] <kbrooks> TNTales: i have no idea how this happens
[01:01] <kbrooks> screwc what
[01:01] <TNTales> I'm just so upset right now, I shoudl go to bed
[01:01] <TNTales> or I'll get so mad I"ll give up on linux and destroy my laptop
[01:01] <kbrooks> TNTales: well, blame windows
[01:01] <TNTales> haha
[01:01] <TNTales> I'll try
[01:01] <TNTales> thanks for your help
[01:01] <kbrooks> you created that partition in windows
[01:01] <TNTales> I'll just reinstalled
[01:02] <kbrooks> TNTales: forum post
[01:02] <TNTales> reinstall it all
[01:02] <kbrooks> ?
[01:02] <TNTales> windows first right?
[01:02] <kbrooks> yes
[01:02] <mustard5> TNTales, get some sleep ;)
[01:02] <TNTales> oh, yeah, call it: Don't Use Windows Disk Manager for Partition Making
[01:02] <TNTales> :/
[01:02] <TNTales> yeah, see you guys tonight
[01:02] <TNTales> I'll try the live cd trick
[01:02] <mustard5> TNTales, it will all be clearer in the morning :)
[01:02] <kbrooks> TNTales: post ur experience
[01:02] <TNTales> haha, it is morning :)
[01:03] <TNTales> ok, I'll post it before I go to work
[01:03] <kbrooks> on the forums
[01:03] <kbrooks> :)
[01:03] <TNTales> it's 7:00 am here
[01:03] <mustard5> :)
[01:03] <kbrooks> same here
[01:03] <TNTales> I'll post it today
[01:03] <TNTales> ty for your help, I"m off
[01:03] <LathropWells> Relax - TNTales good night -  it'll be a lot easier after a bit of rest.
[01:03] <kbrooks> TNTales<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:03] <kbrooks> :)
[01:03] <kbrooks> well, that sucks :)
[01:04] <dylan_rogers> does popularity diminish the security of an OS?
[01:04] <kbrooks> i had to tell him to remove that spare partition
[01:04] <LathropWells> only one sure thing when he does get installed he is going to make backups religously. - grin
[01:04] <kbrooks> dylan_rogers: microsoft has sucky advertising
[01:04] <mustard5> I'll keep an eye out for him and pass the email on kbrooks
[01:05] <LathropWells> dylan - erm - yes is my guess. still very few linux machines out there.
[01:05] <J_Element> hey
[01:05] <J_Element> can any one assist me on configurting samba with my ubuntu 5.04
[01:05] <LathropWells> Windows gets the lions share of attention.
[01:05] <LathropWells> !samba
[01:05] <ubotu> from memory, samba is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[01:05] <kbrooks> yay
[01:06] <LathropWells> Whew! - thanks ubotu.
[01:06] <Liket> how do i make an init ramdisk (kernel image?). never done this before, but i need to install a new hard disk controller driver
[01:06] <kbrooks> gaim-vv is being merged back into gaim
[01:06] <kbrooks> for 2.0
[01:06] <LathropWells> you never know what he might know
[01:06] <kbrooks> http://gaim.sourceforge.net/
[01:07] <LathropWells> Liket - I would try the linux documentation project for the answer.   tldp.or
[01:07] <Liket> LathropWells: tnx, will do
[01:08] <LathropWells> Liket  tldp.org
[01:09] <Liket> that's a huge site, LathropWells, can you point me in the right direction?
[01:10] <LathropWells> Liket -erm - best guess even GPS guidance fails there. GNU positioning system lol
[01:11] <LathropWells> NoUse, - i get lost there all the time too.
[01:11] <Liket> LathropWells: haha exactly :)
[01:13] <Liket> LathropWells: the thing is, i have installation instructions for this driver (from 3ware) for red hat and suse. neither of them match debian, of course. for redhat it references /etc/modprobe.conf which of course doesn't exist
[01:13] <Liket> LathropWells: and for suse it references /etc/sysconfig/kernel
[01:13] <Liket> which doesn't exist in ubuntu either.
[01:13] <Liket> any idea what they're talking about?
[01:14] <LathropWells> Liket - i have only been doing this for a couple of months
[01:14] <Liket> ahh.. you definitely feel my pain then :)
[01:14] <LathropWells> Absolutely - (faxes an aspirin and a papsi)
[01:14] <Liket> i installed ubuntu yesterday. i'm reinstalling tomorrow (reinitializing raid with more drives) so i figured today is an excellent day to make mistakes
[01:15] <LathropWells> a little planning is sure to help.
[01:16] <LathropWells> Liket - "insomod" - ???
[01:16] <LathropWells> insmod  ?
[01:17] <LathropWells> !insmod
[01:17] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, LathropWells
[01:17] <Liket> that does exist! hmm
[01:17] <LathropWells> !insomod
[01:17] <ubotu> LathropWells: Are you on ritalin?
[01:17] <Liket> hehe, bot's got at attitude :)
[01:17] <bimberi> Liket: probably /etc/modules
[01:18] <kbrooks> !insmod
[01:18] <LathropWells> botsnack - arsenic
[01:18] <ubotu> kbrooks: What?
[01:18] <LathropWells> !botsnack
[01:18] <ubotu> thanks lathropwells :)
[01:18] <bimberi> Liket: insmod is the command to insert modules into the kernel but the preferred way is to use modprobe (which will insert dependant modules as well)
[01:19] <Liket> bimberi: ahh, i gotcha. i'm trying to upgrade the raid controller driver that is used for my boot drive.. it can't be as easy as putting modprobe in rc.local right? don't i have to update the ram disk image or similar?
[01:19] <LathropWells> Ah okay. - i always learn something here.
[01:20] <whyameye> sometimes my applications just quit. No warning. No crash dialog. Suddenly just gone. happens a lot with Thunderbird and Firefox. So frustrating. I was just typing an email in Thunderbird and bang. The application has completely disappeared. Hoary.
[01:20] <Liket> whyameye: tried opera?
[01:20] <whyameye> Liket: so the problem is the app? Never had this problem with Thunderbird in WinXP...
[01:20] <bimberi> Liket: sorry i don't know about the "ram disk image", but if you want modules loaded at boot time you can add them to /etc/modules.
[01:21] <Liket> bimberi: the thing is, i know the module is getting loaded already somehow (or the system couldn't boot).. but i'm not sure where
[01:21] <bimberi> Liket: and there's no rc.local in ubuntu either :) - /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh is probably the most equivalent
[01:21] <bimberi> Liket: ah
[01:21] <Liket> oooh THAT is a very useful tidbit of information, bimberi :)
[01:22] <LathropWells> bimberi would there be a log of when the moule was loaded maybe that could narrow it down
[01:23] <bimberi> LathropWells: ooh yes - perhaps grep-ping in /var/log Liket?
[01:23] <bimberi> *grep-ing :)
[01:23] <LathropWells> np - i stile canned spel eyther
[01:24] <bimberi> *g*
[01:24] <Liket> i do see the console output from the driver in kern.log
[01:25] <Liket> no reference to WHAT loads it in that file. hmm... ...man kern
[01:25] <Liket> i mean, man grep :)
[01:25] <kestas> if theres a competition where at a certain time of the day a link is posted on a website, and the first 200 people to click that link get the prize
[01:25] <kestas> is it illegal for you to set up a script to download the site repeatedly, automatically check for differences, and let you know when differences are detected?
[01:25] <kestas>  there's nothing against it in the TOS, but I dont want to be gipped out of the prize
[01:26] <Habbie> kestas: that -would- entail giving yourself an unfair advantage.. but I don't know about the legal side :)
[01:26] <bimberi> wow, that's ubuntu related :P
[01:26] <kestas> well the script is running on ubuntu
[01:26] <LathropWells> kestas - interesting. - i wonder if they are hip to only allowing new unique ip addresses see the prize page.
[01:27] <bimberi> kestas: pretty thin :)
[01:27] <Liket> :)
[01:27] <kestas> LathropWells, well I only want 1, but they could see the repeated page hits from my ip for the last 24 hours and get suspicious
[01:28] <kestas> bimberi, I know :P but there's no #legalitiesofcompetitions
[01:28] <J_Element> any one can help me with samba configurations
[01:28] <J_Element> to be able to share file for windows network ?
[01:29] <kestas> J_Element, just take a look at the sample config, it gives all the examples youll need in a basic setup
[01:29] <kestas> at least it does on freebsd
[01:29] <J_Element> i need it on ubuntu
[01:29] <kestas> Im sure the config will be on ubuntu too
[01:29] <J_Element> where is this sample config ?
[01:30] <kestas> cant remember, but 'locate -u && locate smb samba | less' should find it
[01:30] <bimberi> Liket: sudo grep -r <modulename> /etc/*     <- might show some clues
[01:31] <J_Element> kastas
[01:31] <J_Element> do u mind me asking u a question in ur dialog chat window ?
[01:32] <kestas> just ask in here please
[01:32] <J_Element> sure
[01:32] <J_Element> umm i got some help earlier on installing drivers for my sound card
[01:32] <Liket> bimberi: now that's an excellent idea - running
[01:32] <J_Element> do u know how can i know if its config correctly
[01:32] <kestas> aplay /dev/urandom
[01:32] <LathropWells> J_Element, Only tangentially related. but still nifty for ssh file sharing.  http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4296
[01:33] <kestas> make sure all sound is turned up first, all plugged in
[01:33] <J_Element> cuz when i see the sound volume control on my task bar
[01:33] <kestas> LathropWells, is that sshfs
[01:33] <LathropWells> uhuh
[01:33] <kestas> LathropWells, cant beat sshfs :) much better than smb and nfs
[01:33] <J_Element> when i open xmms with a file it says : "make sure that no other prog is blocking ur sound card , or that u got ur sound card config prop "
[01:33] <kestas> also see encfs
[01:33] <kestas> also very neat
[01:33] <Liket> bimberi: not found!
[01:33] <kestas> J_Element, try aplay /dev/urandom
[01:34] <bimberi> Liket: :/
[01:34] <LathropWells> kestas - lol - thats the 3rd time in an hour you sent me to google to larn something new. - lol
[01:34] <J_Element> it didnt do any thing
[01:34] <kestas> ;)
[01:34] <kestas> J_Element, hmm
[01:35] <kestas> J_Element, what did it say?
[01:35] <J_Element> nothing ! it just gave blank
[01:35] <J_Element> it didnt even give me the command line
[01:35] <kestas> open up a terminal first
[01:35] <J_Element> i did :S
[01:36] <J_Element> and pasted ur code in it
[01:36] <kestas> so it's jelement@jspc:~ $ aplay /dev/urandom
[01:36] <kestas> you press enter
[01:36] <J_Element> yeah
[01:36] <kestas> and you just see jelement@jspc:~ $
[01:36] <J_Element> nop
[01:36] <LathropWells> http://arg0.net/wiki/encfs/intro2 - seems authoritative
[01:36] <J_Element> it didnt give that
[01:36] <Liket> bimberi: i wonder if it's compiled into the kernel
[01:36] <J_Element> it just put the cursor to a new line and thats it
[01:37] <kestas> J_Element, okay, and youre sure the volume is turned up?
[01:37] <J_Element> yepp
[01:37] <kestas> type alsamixer
[01:37] <kestas> double check that everything is turned up and not muted
[01:38] <J_Element> did that
[01:38] <bimberi> Liket: yes, i guess so, although i really don't know much about it
[01:38] <J_Element> but when i ran xmms player
[01:38] <J_Element> its not working :S
[01:39] <kestas> J_Element, and you dont hear any drums when using the interface?
[01:39] <J_Element> which interface ?
[01:39] <kestas> gnome
[01:39] <J_Element> nop
[01:39] <Liket> bimberi: alright.. i guess i'll live with it for now.. it does work, but i'm worried the raid manager daemon won't be able to run with the old driver that's included in ubuntu
[01:39] <J_Element> i didnt hear any sound ever since i installed ubuntu
[01:39] <kestas> k, are you using a generic sound card or a rare one?
[01:39] <Liket> bimberi: thanks for your help!
[01:40] <J_Element> realtek builtin with my intel 915gav
[01:40] <bimberi> Liket: np :) wish i could have helped more
[01:40] <J_Element> listen why dont i reboot
[01:40] <J_Element> brb
[01:41] <kestas> where do you get libcss from again?
[01:42] <kestas> !tell kestas about libcss2
[01:42] <nalioth> ubotu: tell kestas about libdvdcss2
[01:44] <J_Element> back
[01:44] <LathropWells> wb
[01:44] <J_Element> the sound is working but i cant work any mp3 to play
[01:44] <J_Element> it closes the totem player and says resource is busy
[01:45] <J_Element> or not available
[01:45] <kestas> J_Element, enable the universe repository in /etc/apt/sources.list, and install totem-xine
[01:45] <kestas> while youre at it install beep-media-player
[01:45] <kestas> its a gnome-centric xmms
[01:46] <J_Element> beep ?
[01:46] <kestas> yup
[01:46] <J_Element> but why isnt xmms working
[01:47] <J_Element> my friend recomended it highly
[01:47] <kestas> youre probably using the wrong output pluging
[01:47] <kestas> plugin
[01:47] <kestas> use esd
[01:47] <kestas> but really I recommend beep-media-player over xmms, and I think everyone here would agree
[01:47] <J_Element> sure
[01:47] <J_Element> but sound is working ! i heard the bootin & every thing
[01:48] <J_Element> now im installing the xine thingie
[01:48] <LathropWells> J_Element, - it's worth a try. - i used to confuse xmms all the time by adding conflicting codecs.
[01:49] <J_Element> why the heck not
[01:49] <J_Element> im sure u guys have better experience in this than i do
[01:49] <J_Element> u guys are gods to ME :D it works
[01:49] <LathropWells> Send the checks to... - lol
[01:50] <J_Element> ;)
[01:50] <J_Element> i gotta go to a meeting now with my dean , i finish work in 5 mins
[01:50] <J_Element> so take care fellas
[01:50] <J_Element> im mighty gratefull
[01:50] <LathropWells> "Pay it Forward" to the next person. Linux Community
[01:50] <J_Element> sure will
[01:53] <sybil52> hi how do I install kde?
[01:53] <hochim> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[01:54] <nalioth> you guys need to register and identify yourselves
[01:54] <sybil52> hocghim is that for kde?
[01:55] <dylan_rogers> if i am using the ext3 filesystem, will i ever need to defrag?
[01:55] <voth> is there a way to mget an entire folder including it's sub-folders through ftp?
[01:55] <Habbie> voth: I recommend the mirror-command in lftp for that
[01:55] <Habbie> voth: or wget -m :)
[01:56] <hochim> sybil52: yes, it loads lots of kde stuff
[01:57] <sybil52> I just tried it in terminal and it said
[01:57] <sybil52> sybil52@sympatico:~$ apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[01:57] <sybil52> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[01:58] <Habbie> sybil52: put 'sudo' in front
[01:58] <sybil52> ah! ok
[01:58] <sybil52> thanks
[01:58] <hedonick> dylan_rogers: very unlikely... I used a separate /var partion for a couple of years withough the fragmentation rising over 10% (and with a lot of updating of debs, then purging etc... trashed that partition good I think)
[01:58] <frogzoo> sybil52: you need root permission - sudo will suid your process, and run as root
[01:58] <dylan_rogers> hedonick, so no?
[01:59] <hedonick> dylan_rogers: could be extreme cases... but generally I think no
[01:59] <sybil52> ok thanks guys
[01:59] <dylan_rogers> hedonick, great
[02:00] <karjala> How can I change the keybord language that I type in? (I've installed greek and english)
[02:00] <frogzoo> hedonick: btw: ext2 defrags itself - it's built into the driver, so defrag is really a non issue
[02:00] <_Dez> im using ext1
[02:00] <_Dez> do i need to defrag
[02:01] <Habbie> _Dez: ext1?!
[02:01] <frogzoo> _Dez: chuckle :p noone uses ext1
[02:01] <_Dez> joking
[02:01] <Habbie> hehe
[02:01] <karjala> How can I get a systray icon to see (and select) the language that I type in?
[02:01] <LathropWells> karjala, - on the top or bottom taskbar right click and add to panel keyboard manager
[02:02] <frogzoo> newsflash _Dez is still running 1.02 :p
[02:02] <karjala> LathropWells: Thanks!
[02:03] <LathropWells> poningru, Hi
[02:05] <_Dez> hehe
[02:05] <_Dez> IN runs so well on my 4Mhz Proc
[02:05] <_Dez> it*
[02:06] <sybil52> it is now d/l . thanks a lot
[02:07] <_Dez> I need a PRog to show how much Power my Batterys laptop holds
[02:09] <kestas> your battery's laptop?
[02:09] <aftertaf> loooool
[02:09] <fanopnaic> _Dez: "acpi"
[02:09] <aftertaf> 4mhz proc ;)
[02:10] <aftertaf> _Dez: you running kernel version 0.1 too ?
[02:10] <_Dez> yeah kestas
[02:10] <_Dez> hehe
[02:10] <_Dez> FlashDrives aftertaf
[02:10] <_Dez> well off to school i go lator
[02:10] <kestas> 386 has always been > 4mhz
[02:10] <elzapp> Dez: there is plugins for both kde kicker and gnomepanel that shows battery status
[02:10] <kestas> and linux doesnt run on anything slower
[02:11] <frogzoo> _Dez: there's a battery monitor as one of the standard applets - just right click menu bar
[02:11] <kestas> unless you use bochs and simulate it at 4mhz, while telling it it's going at, say 100mhz
[02:13] <darklightred83> help
[02:13] <darklightred83> any1?
[02:13] <darklightred83> who knows about fork()
[02:13] <poningru> someone called?
[02:13] <darklightred83> ununtu ryt?
[02:13] <darklightred83> any1 please
[02:13] <frogzoo> darklightred83: sounds like a school assignment?
[02:13] <poningru> bill you called?
[02:13] <poningru> err
[02:14] <darklightred83> yez it is
[02:14] <poningru> LathropWells:
[02:14] <LathropWells> Hi
[02:14] <frogzoo> darklightred83: maybe try #c ?
[02:14] <darklightred83> #c?
[02:14] <darklightred83> whats that?
[02:14] <darklightred83> threads
[02:14] <poningru> C#
[02:14] <elzapp> As in the channel #c
[02:14] <poningru> oh
[02:14] <frogzoo> darklightred83: type "/join #c"
[02:14] <darklightred83> join #c
[02:14] <Ophiocus> hehe, this ones gonna take long
[02:15] <frogzoo> lol
[02:15] <tastyratz> hey, I tried installing Kubuntu on my system last night and had an issue. I was able to select language, keyboard, and then the primary network controller. It got to a screen with a loading bar saying "this may take awhile" did a few things and then the screen changed to just the background blue color with a light gray bar on the bottom I could type in. cd spun down and nothing happens after that
[02:15] <frogzoo> darklightred83: you missed the "/" like so "/join #c"
[02:15] <aftertaf> did it try connecting for updates?
[02:15] <nayif> i have problem on my website it appear diff on both IE and firefox where can i find help for this problem ?
[02:16] <aftertaf> css maybe?
[02:16] <frogzoo> nayif: I believe the only one who can help you is a guy in Redmond, Bill somebody or other
[02:17] <tastyratz> it didnt say anything on the screen about connecting
[02:17] <nayif> frogzoo, i hope this guy and team on IE help us to get the webdev an simple like text file
[02:17] <agtnz> Hmmm whats a good monospace font.. :/
[02:17] <poningru> tastyratz: you sure that the cd is good?
[02:17] <poningru> as in did you burn it?
[02:17] <tastyratz> yea
[02:18] <tastyratz> i just burned it 10 min before trying
[02:18] <tastyratz> 5.1
[02:18] <poningru> if so did you make sure that it was burnt correctly?
[02:18] <nuck> what's going on? whenever i log in im redirected to ubuntu-regged
[02:18] <LathropWells> md5sum /path/your.iso    ?
[02:18] <poningru> yeah
[02:18] <nalioth> nuck: check your identification setup in your client
[02:18] <poningru> but if you dont have access to your computer it may not be possible
[02:19] <dylan_> is the linux team working on a way to reduce processor and memory usage, or are they going the microsoft way and needing extra processor speed, etc.?
[02:19] <poningru> if you burn a cd at higher speeds you should always check your data
[02:19] <poningru> the linux team?
[02:19] <nuck> anyho anyone else using VLC to view videos? i installed vlc but i get no audio.  of course ive checked volume control etc. what else could ive missed? thanks
[02:19] <poningru> dylan_: the beauty of linux is that it can be run in the tiniest machines
[02:20] <LathropWells> dylan_ - a different mindset. - you have a choice of at least a dozen desktops fot debian
[02:20] <dylan_> poningru, i really meant GNOME and Ubuntu, but Linux too, the kernel i guess w/e im new....have an older system and want to be able to upgrade.... 500mhz 128mb ram
[02:20] <nalioth> nuck: you got all your audio codecs installed?
[02:20] <Eclipse> i have some problems with my ubuntu machine
[02:20] <poningru> dylan_: take a look at xubuntu
[02:20] <Eclipse> i instaled the ltsp
[02:20] <Ophiocus> dylan_,  theres linux distros that can run on cell phones
[02:20] <Ophiocus> ;)
[02:20] <nalioth> ubotu: tell nuck about multimedia
[02:20] <LathropWells> terminal skinny to java sun obese.
[02:20] <Ycros> yeah
[02:20] <dylan_> poningru, where can i download it?
[02:20] <frogzoo> dylan_: the linux kernel is extraordinarily lean - it's the gui that soaks mem/cpu
[02:20] <dirkdiggler> Are all applications installed with brezzy visible in the GNOME 'Start Menu'?
[02:21] <nalioth> dirkdiggler: they are not
[02:21] <nalioth> dirkdiggler: only the gui apps
[02:21] <nuck> thanks
[02:21] <Eclipse> now i try to modify my network ip etc and it takes a lot
[02:21] <poningru> !tell dylan_ about xubuntu
[02:21] <dirkdiggler> nalioth: what is the 'program files' equivalent?
[02:21] <frogzoo> dirkdiggler: nope, guess again
[02:21] <LathropWells> xubuntu-desktop  - ?
[02:22] <poningru> dylan_: you should have gotten a message from ubotu
[02:22] <nuck> ok thanks
[02:22] <frogzoo> dirkdiggler: probably /usr/bin
[02:22] <nalioth> dirkdiggler: you have executable files all over your system. those files are in several 'bin' directories
[02:23] <dylan_> poningru, i just did - thanks
[02:23] <poningru> np
[02:23] <poningru> just follow the instructions on that page
[02:23] <poningru> and you should be good to go
[02:23] <theturtl> anyone know of an easy to use app to manage songs on my ipod
[02:24] <LathropWells> nalioth - timer script for #ubuntu-unregged   ?
[02:24] <nalioth> LathropWells: timer ?
[02:24] <dirkdiggler> nalioth frogzoo: Thanks, one more question - what is the different between ' Applications - Add Applications' and 'System - Administration - Synaptic Package Manager'?
[02:24] <LathropWells> boot after 5mins
[02:24] <dylan_> poningru, but somebody told me that xfce is shitty compared to gnome or kde
[02:24] <tastyratz> just checked md5: checked out fine
[02:24] <nalioth> dirkdiggler: add applications is a subset of synaptic
[02:24] <nalioth> UdontKnow: howdy
[02:24] <trpdx> !tell trpdx about xubuntu
[02:24] <deFrysk> dylan_, not if you have a light spec box
[02:24] <nalioth> UdontKnow: you missed the bot flood
[02:24] <ubuntu> hello
[02:25] <UdontKnow> nalioth: hi
[02:25] <ubuntu> hi nalioth
[02:25] <UdontKnow> nalioth: I was sleeping, heh
[02:25] <tastyratz> anyone have any ideas?
[02:25] <ubuntu> @lalioth: so i wake you up ;-)
[02:26] <poningru> dylan_: well you get what you pay for
[02:26] <poningru> in processing power
[02:26] <macarthy> hi all.
[02:27] <macarthy> How do you access a smb share via the command line?
[02:27] <macarthy> it's arleady mounted
[02:27] <veepster> using 'cd /pathtomounteddirectory'
[02:27] <poningru> I think wherever you mounted it
[02:27] <poningru> yeah
[02:28] <poningru> beauty of *nix everything is a file
[02:28] <macarthy> I used the connect to server menu item, where does it get mounted ?
[02:28] <macarthy> places menu..
[02:28] <kestas> poningru, :) its not mounted on a file
[02:29] <kestas> poningru, it uses an smbclient backend
[02:29] <qiv> hello
[02:29] <qiv> what is the best mathematic-tool for ubuntu? :)
[02:29] <qiv> methematica or maple-like
[02:29] <macarthy> kestas, so how do I access the share via the command line? do I need to mount it again?
[02:29] <qiv> anyone an idea? ;)
[02:30] <marlun> Hello again, I've got 2 harddrives, if I install ubuntu on one of them, if I layter decide to remove ubuntu, is it just to format the harddrive from windows or how do I get it back so I can use it from windows?
[02:30] <kestas> macarthy, you need to install smbmount
[02:30] <flippi> hi, can somebody help me? im trying to install an programm and i get this error: gcc cannot create executables
[02:30] <dylan_> poningru, you get what you pay for?  not entirely true.  you pay 300 bucks for windows xp, but you get shit
[02:30] <Eclipse> how can i run an x aplication as root
[02:30] <kestas> macarthy, or fuse and the smb module for it, but I image smbmount is easier
[02:30] <nalioth> flippi: install "build-essential"
[02:30] <poningru> dylan_: hahahaha so true
[02:30] <flippi> kk thx
[02:30] <Ophiocus> marlun, you simply refotmat the drive
[02:31] <poningru> Eclipse: um why do you want to do that?
[02:31] <macarthy> ok. so there is no mount point using the places menu? ok
[02:31] <akurashy> hello, when i open bzflag it gives me this error, how can i fix this, i installed nvidia-glx/settings and is still like that, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4302
[02:31] <marlun> Ophiocus, ok, thanks! =)
[02:31] <poningru> well its just a simple as creating a root pswd
[02:31] <poningru> and logging in as that
[02:31] <poningru> marlun: you can do that using fdisk in win
[02:31] <Eclipse> it tells me that root cannot log in in graphical mode
[02:31] <marlun> going to install it then, wish me luck :P
[02:31] <poningru> hmm
[02:31] <poningru> good luck
[02:32] <mAIJK> Hi, how can I check if i have installed my Nvidia driver correctly?
[02:32] <poningru> !root
[02:32] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[02:32] <Micksa> let's see if this is familiar to anyone
[02:32] <Micksa> I have an inspiron 6000 laptop running breezy
[02:32] <Micksa> and whenever I run mplayer on just about anything I constantly get messages like
[02:32] <Micksa> alsa-space: xrun of at least 0.083 msecs. resetting stream0.4% 6 0 90%
[02:32] <Micksa> and the clip is all choppy
[02:33] <Micksa> yes, DMA is on
[02:33] <basvg> hmm, since this morning I keep getting errors on `dselect update`:
[02:33] <basvg> W: GPG error: http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com breezy Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:33] <basvg> does anyone know 1) why this is and 2) what to do about it?
[02:33] <Amaranth> !gpgerr
[02:33] <ubotu> If you get GPG errors when accessing the Ubuntu archives, sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* (Yes, you will get some 'is a directory' messages, that's fine) then wait 10 minutes and retry.
[02:34] <basvg> ubotu: thanks :)
[02:34] <ubotu> basvg: de nada
[02:34] <ggeller> I've seen that one before :)
[02:34] <nalioth> Amaranth: you get the news?
[02:34] <Amaranth> nope
[02:35] <goldne> hola
[02:36] <aftertaf> which one nalioth ?
[02:36] <tastyratz> anyone?
[02:36] <agtnz> !tell agtnz about fonts
[02:37] <tastyratz> would I be better unplugging my network cable from my pc and trying to install again?
[02:38] <aftertaf> tastyratz: weird..... does your network have direct net access? try wthout the cable and leave it if it 'hangs' for like 30 mins when checking for updates.
[02:38] <akurashy> is there a better video player than mplayer?
[02:38] <AzMoo> Hey. I'm trying to play a dvd using Mplayer. I use: "mplayer dvd://1 -dvd-device /dev/hdc" and it says it loads successfully, but I don't get a playback window. What am I missing?
[02:38] <tastyratz> i never see anything on the screen saying its checking for updates
[02:38] <tastyratz> just stays blank
[02:38] <aftertaf> akurashy: whats wrong wxith it?
[02:38] <tastyratz> it allows me to type in that gray bar on the bottom however
[02:39] <AzMoo> akurashy, you can use totem.
[02:39] <aftertaf> tastyratz: try without cable....   also, try Alt F1/alt F2 etc
[02:39] <akurashy> aftertaf, it does weird sounds when i play a mpg
[02:39] <AzMoo> akurashy, But personally I use mplayer for pretty much everything.
[02:39] <aftertaf> tastyratz: and md5checksum your CD and iso...
[02:39] <tastyratz> what does alt-f1/alt-f2 do?
[02:39] <tastyratz> i md5'ed it a few minutes ago
[02:39] <akurashy> AzMoo, totem doesn't play mpgs for me
[02:39] <aftertaf> tastyratz: changes consoles
[02:39] <Eclipse> nobody really answered my question.. how can i run an x application as root
[02:40] <aftertaf> tastyratz: what is the last thing it says before gong blank?
[02:40] <Eclipse> i want to modify certain files (that need root access)
[02:40] <raghu> tastyratz: it is ctl-alt F1/F2
[02:40] <aftertaf> Eclipse: what do you want to run, generally not a good idea.
[02:40] <AzMoo> akurashy, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:40] <Eclipse> notepad
[02:40] <tastyratz> ill see if i can mimick it under virtual pc
[02:40] <nalioth> Eclipse: alt-f2, 'gksudo "x-applicatoin""
[02:40] <akurashy> AzMoo, kk going to take a look
[02:40] <tastyratz> im in windows xp now
[02:41] <aftertaf> Eclipse: nano in that case... or gedit.... with gksudo
[02:41] <aftertaf> tastyratz: hmm. wont be same hardware though.....
[02:41] <tastyratz> im a complete and total linux n00b, im trying to come out of the binary closet
[02:41] <tastyratz> i wanna make the switch
[02:42] <aftertaf> tastyratz: good call ;)
[02:42] <aftertaf> tastyratz: but your pb is not helping that move ;)
[02:42] <carambol> is there a virusscanner for ubuntu?
[02:42] <aftertaf> tastyratz: give us the final message before it dies on you....
[02:43] <aftertaf> carambol: sort of, but not needed. only if a mail server for win clients
[02:43] <frogzoo> carambol: this is linux - viruses aren't a problem
[02:43] <carambol> but there is signalled a virus for linux
[02:43] <raghu> carambol, apt-cache search virusscanner
[02:43] <carambol> see  http://www.osnews.com
[02:45] <Ophiocus> tastyratz,  wise choice, ubuntu will be easy to install and learn with plenty of resource (like this place) to help you in the way
[02:45] <quail_linux> hehe...geek IRC gravestone  http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/11morbidbastid.jpg
[02:45] <aftertaf> carambol: a php security hole....
[02:45] <NewWithoutClue> ubuntu is _the_ linux learning distro, IMO
[02:46] <akurashy> hello, when i open bzflag it gives me this error, how can i fix this, i installed nvidia-glx/settings and is still like that, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4302
[02:46] <aftertaf> carambol: that have a lready been fixed ;)
[02:47] <frogzoo> folks, carambol's concern about worms is interesting - I'm wondering if Linux supports NX these days, & if so, are worm exploits still possible with NX enabled?
[02:47] <carambol> ok, aftertaf
[02:47] <ulaas> NewWithoutClue, ubuntu is _the_ linux learning. and after that hell using it forever distro.
[02:47] <funky> how can I see the services launched, I mean all the /etc/rc.X/ stuff
[02:47] <NewWithoutClue> ulaas, sure, why not? i love ubuntu.
[02:47] <frogzoo> oh, NX support was released mid 2004 - should have know ;)
[02:48] <frogzoo> there's your answer carambol, get an A64 & enable NX :D
[02:48] <carambol> ooooh
[02:48] <ulaas> NewWithoutClue, hell use it.. :)
[02:48] <Amaranth> exploits are still possible
[02:49] <Amaranth> NX makes buffer overruns harder
[02:49] <aftertaf> what is NX ?
[02:49] <Amaranth> it doesn't magically make all the viruses and worms stop working
[02:49] <carambol> frogzoo how i get the A64?
[02:49] <Amaranth> No eXecute bit
[02:49] <Amaranth> carambol: It's a CPU.
[02:49] <aftertaf> oki
[02:49] <carambol> oh..i see
[02:49] <carambol> stupid question
[02:50] <Amaranth> aftertaf: It marks memory holding data No eXecute so nasty programs can't exploit a program and put stuff there that gets run.
[02:50] <Shin_Gouki> hello i got a prob! im running ubuntu 5.04 and i cant install samba :/
[02:50] <raghu> Shin_Gouki: whats the problem?
[02:50] <NewWithoutClue> i have a security related query.  :p)
[02:52] <Shin_Gouki> hmm ok when u think problems will be solved..?
[02:52] <F-Jakob> Hi, how do i exit X?
[02:52] <Amaranth> NewWithoutClue: I don't see how that would be any different from a stock ubuntu install. Ubuntu doesn't have any ports open to the outside world by default.
[02:52] <Shin_Gouki> STR+ALT f3
[02:52] <Shin_Gouki> orf4
[02:52] <Amaranth> F-Jakob: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[02:53] <F-Jakob> ty
[02:53] <melalcoolique> hi
[02:53] <Shin_Gouki> nalioth, were may i see when the problems are solved..?
[02:53] <NewWithoutClue> Amaranth,i have ssh running only for local use...and i add remote addresses when i need to. Was just wondering if that makes me very secure...given the fact that nothing is perfect...does this come close?
[02:54] <melalcoolique> is launchpad bugzilla down ?
[02:54] <Amaranth> NewWithoutClue: I don't see how it would help.
[02:54] <NewWithoutClue> Amaranth, so it makes no difference?
[02:54] <nalioth> Shin_Gouki: you may try changing your sources URLs
[02:54] <Amaranth> NewWithoutClue: As far as I can tell, no.
[02:54] <Shin_Gouki> ok to what?, what do i have to insert?
[02:54] <tastyratz> does linux support win xp ntfs integrated file compression?
[02:55] <Shin_Gouki> LOL
[02:55] <NewWithoutClue> Amaranth, i felt safe. Thanks alot. geez.
[02:55] <serpie> difference between reiserfs and reiser4?
[02:55] <NewWithoutClue> :-D
[02:55] <Amaranth> NewWithoutClue: You were already safe.
[02:55] <nalioth> Shin_Gouki: in your sources.list do you have us.archive.bhel or another country code?
[02:55] <raghu> Shin_Gouki: uncomment repositories line in sources.list
[02:55] <Amaranth> serpie: reiserfs is reiser3
[02:55] <NewWithoutClue> Amaranth, no.
[02:55] <frogzoo> NewWithoutClue: deny ALL: ALL isn't such a bad idea if you don't plan to run any services - security rule #1 is turn off everything you're not using
[02:56] <Shin_Gouki> nalioth can u plz be a bit more specific? what u mean by country code..?
[02:56] <frogzoo> tastyratz: ntfs support is only read only AFAIK, and I don't think compression's supported at all
[02:56] <serpie> Amaranth: So what does 4 have that 3 doesn't?
[02:56] <Amaranth> serpie: Everything.
[02:56] <Amaranth> serpie: Neither one is worth using though.
[02:56] <nalioth> Shin_Gouki: paste your sources.list please
[02:56] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Shin_Gouki about paste
[02:56] <Shin_Gouki> kk
[02:57] <NewWithoutClue> frogzoo, ok, just a question about a certain service that i have been thinking about....dhclient3...has an open port...why? is it needed?
[02:57] <Shin_Gouki> i know THAT ^^
[02:57] <Shin_Gouki> its topic :P
[02:57] <dirkdiggler> What application does the opposite of DVDRIP? Meaning i have an .avi file and would like to burn it to DVD - in DVD format (whatever that is).
[02:57] <phoenix_atlantis> Hi folks, does anybody know under what conditions a user is shown in the gdm face browser? (gdm 2.6.0 - debian)?
[02:57] <Amaranth> dirkdiggler: You wouldn't be talking about burning illegal copies of DVDs, would you?
[02:57] <dirkdiggler> sorry I know that was question was a little off topic
[02:58] <dirkdiggler> Amarnath: Nope
[02:58] <`ph8> i'm just looking at some themes to make my desktop look sexy and it's saying for gnome2.x and up (who knew there was a gnome2?! :p) How do i upgrade to gnome 2? All themes for gnome 1 just say 'invalid file format' as well - is that a common problem?
[02:58] <frogzoo> NewWithoutClue: you need that port to receive a DHCP address - you need it if you use DHCP - but can still lock down to local subnet
[02:58] <Master_5> dirkdiggler: doesn't dvdrip do both?
[02:58] <infested_maggot> can someone help me with a port forwarding pls ?
[02:58] <frogzoo> Amaranth: no mention of warez there - just a technical question :)
[02:59] <Shin_Gouki> nalioth here is my sourceslist,  http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4305
[02:59] <NewWithoutClue> frogzoo, i've just been killing the process :)
[02:59] <NewWithoutClue> frogzoo, thanks.
[02:59] <dirkdiggler> Master_5: I'm not sure. I had a quick look earlier didnt see anything obvious...
[02:59] <Amaranth> dirkdiggler: http://dvd.chevelless230.com/ - first in google for 'burn DVD linux' :P
[02:59] <dirkdiggler> Master_5: best take a closer look I guess.
[03:00] <ph8> anyone? ;)
[03:00] <frogzoo> Amaranth: dirkdiggler Peeps should appreciate that cracking CSS is now illegal in some countries - Finland?
[03:00] <nalioth> Shin_Gouki: looks good, try again later
[03:00] <Master_5> dirkdiggler: ah i couldn't remember....avidemux and dvdauthor together will do the trick there's a nice howto on it somewhere
[03:00] <Master_5> dirkdiggler google avi to dvd
[03:00] <tastyratz> ok I have a sift memory and had to run the install again to get it. right after setting up partitioner is where it got stuck
[03:01] <Amaranth> frogzoo: Any EU country that accepting the EU's version of the DMCA.
[03:01] <roshan> Can anyone help me? Pressing Ctrl+Alt+F1...F6 doesn't show any virtual consoles. I just get a blank screen.
[03:01] <linuxgeek2> !hi
[03:01] <ubotu> hi!
[03:01] <tastyratz> i remember seeing that screen, but I dont remember seeing the disk partitioning screen
[03:01] <Lathiat> roshan: what Xorg driver?
[03:01] <Master_5> roshan: did you kill the getty processes?
[03:01] <linuxgeek2> !fonts
[03:01] <ubotu> methinks fonts is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FontInstallHowto
[03:01] <dirkdiggler> Amaranth: Thanks for the tip - but it doesnt help me. I'm starting with an .avi file
[03:02] <dirkdiggler> Master_5: Thanks.
[03:02] <akurashy> Where do I get extra fonts for mplayer, I'm having a weird font problem with it
[03:02] <roshan> Lathiat, I'm using the nvidia driver. Master_5, I didn't kill the getty processes
[03:02] <Lathiat> roshan: thats probably why
[03:02] <Lathiat> roshan: the nvidia driver breaks things in lots of interesting ways
[03:02] <Lathiat> roshan: see if it happens with the 'nv' driver
[03:02] <tastyratz> ive got a crapload of drives and partitions on my system, i wonder if that has anything to do with it
[03:02] <tastyratz> maybe something with one of them is pissing off the installer
[03:02] <Master_5> Lathiat: which version of the nvidia drivers...i use it all the time and that's never happened to me
[03:03] <Shin_Gouki> nalioth ok laters is a word...can u be a bit more specifc? 1 day? 4 hours? 3 weeks?
[03:03] <tastyratz> my drive letters go up to O in windows, and ive got 2 other linux only partitions reserved for when I did this
[03:03] <roshan> Lathiat, I'll try that. Thanks for the help. nvidia-glx-config disable should do the trick, right?
[03:03] <Master_5> roshan: ps -x and see if there are any processes named getty
[03:03] <nathan__> has anyone found ubuntu causes vmware 5 to hog the cpu when initialising a reboot
[03:03] <Lathiat> roshan: yeh
[03:03] <nalioth> Shin_Gouki: next year?
[03:03] <Lathiat> nathan__: yes i have noticed that, solution si not to do a reboot
[03:03] <tiglore> dont suppose there is any one who could help me get sound going on my latop?
[03:03] <deeler> Xvnc segfaults ! , anyone else has this problem ? ? ?
[03:04] <nathan__> Lathiat, any idea why?
[03:04] <roshan> Master_5, there are 6 getty processes. Lathiat says it might be an nvidia problem. I'll try changing to nv
[03:04] <Lathiat> nathan__: nope, i assumed it was a vmware bug
[03:04] <frogzoo> nathan maybe nice vmware?
[03:04] <Master_5> roshan: ok then..never seen it not work with the nvidia drivers but ok
[03:05] <deeLer> Xvnc segmentation fault on startup ! , anyone else has this problem ? ? ?
[03:05] <deeLer> i'm using ubuntu server amd64
[03:05] <nathan__> frogzoo, well that would work but not sure if it'd ever actually reboot
[03:05] <hussam> I got firefox 1.5 from ftp.mozilla.org but firefox won't use the gtk2 fonts like other gtk2 apps like synaptic. any ideas?
[03:05] <nathan__> frogzoo, the cpu would still sit at 100% usage doing that anyway
[03:07] <frogzoo> nathan__: sure, but wouldn't "hog" if you wanted to do something else it would play "nice"
[03:07] <infested_maggot> can someone help me with a port forwarding pls ?
[03:08] <ke> Hmm, when I try to install (kubuntu though) it says something about write error or something... "No more space, og try burning at a slower speed"
[03:08] <ke> Might it be because I burned it on 52x?
[03:08] <nathan__> frogzoo, still horrible, but yeah its not too much of a problem im just playing with ubuntu to see what its like
[03:09] <nalioth> ke: burn your ubuntu iso while you watch tv (burn it slowwwwwly)
[03:10] <frogzoo> nathan__: if you stick with the supported apps, Ubuntu is pretty cool
[03:10] <dylan_> anybody know where i can get the w32codecs as a deb?
[03:10] <nalioth> ubotu: tell dylan_ about w32codecs
[03:10] <nathan__> dylan_, ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/
[03:10] <nathan__> oops
[03:10] <nathan__> thas debian, mightw work with ubuntu :)
[03:11] <jack-> not recommended
[03:11] <Habbie> debian-marillat is what the ubuntu wiki recommends
[03:11] <jack-> w32codecs is in the backports repo i think
[03:11] <Habbie> and as the deb only contains windows dll there is no ubuntu vs. debian compatibility issue
[03:11] <jack-> mmh ok
[03:12] <kestas> guys I keep hearing a random noice
[03:12] <kestas> noise
[03:12] <kestas> and I dont know what's making it :s
[03:12] <tiglore> any one can help get sound up on a old dell latop, its a 300 cpi, prob has a isa cs4236 sound card
[03:12] <kestas> (coming from my PC)
[03:13] <nathan__> acid :)
[03:13] <kestas> :P
[03:13] <jack-> apt-get install beep
[03:13] <jack-> problem solved
[03:13] <nathan__> tiglore, isapnp ?
[03:13] <frogzoo> jack-: re backports for breezy, see menu ^^
[03:14] <ph8> does anyone know how to install gnome2?
[03:14] <tiglore> been tinkiering with that and few other solutions that turned up searching
[03:14] <nathan__> tiglore, does it show up in the dump ?
[03:14] <tiglore> most of them though are for older version of ubuntu, and it seeems they changed some of the config structure in the newer version
[03:15] <trond> morgen
[03:15] <Fergy2> morgen
[03:15] <nathan__> gutten tag
[03:15] <Bosse> 'afternoon
[03:15] <Fergy2> haben sie ein grote worst?
[03:16] <frogzoo> Fergy - I think you want #ubuntu-de ?
[03:16] <tiglore> yeah it does
[03:16] <trond> is this topic german??
[03:16] <nathan__> ok in that case should just need some rejiggery
[03:17] <tiglore> this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22180 is the closes fix ive seen to getting it working
[03:17] <Amaranth> !de
[03:17] <ubotu> Bitte gehen sie nach #ubuntu-de fuer deutschsprachige hilfe
[03:17] <tiglore> but its for a older version
[03:17] <jack-> !narf
[03:17] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, jack-
[03:18] <Master_5> !poit
[03:18] <ubotu> Master_5: No idea
[03:18] <b1n0ry> i've never used ubuntu but i'm in the process of downloading the livecd. does ubuntu include an automated package update utility (like yum or apt) and does it use rpm binary packages?
[03:18] <ShitHawk> hi... I've just inherited an Ubuntu box.. How can I tell what version it's running from theCL?
[03:19] <jaime> ubuntu use apt
[03:19] <Master_5> b1n0ry: it's debian based...apt
[03:19] <b1n0ry> ok, i haven't used apt, but i can learn it, i'm sure
[03:19] <Master_5> b1n0ry easier than anything you've used before probably
[03:19] <bobdesloper> helo
[03:19] <frogzoo> b1n0ry: apt yes - rpms - no
[03:20] <b1n0ry> Master_5 i dunno, yum is very easy "yum update" wait a few and done :)
[03:20] <bobdesloper> i have a question abuot ubunt
[03:20] <bobdesloper> ubunt*
[03:20] <b1n0ry> but i'll have to try apt for myself. i'm sure it's not very difficult.
[03:20] <Master_5> b1n0ry, try it you'll see
[03:20] <funky> how can I know what services (lauched through /etc/rc.X) are currently running, any idea ?
[03:20] <funky> something like rc-status in gentoo
[03:21] <wezzer> how to uninstall flash player from firefox?
[03:21] <frogzoo> b1n0ry: you might like synaptic - gui to apt - very straightforward
[03:21] <bobdesloper> is there a posibility to get Windows aplications run on ubuntu
[03:21] <b1n0ry> how are pre-compiled binaries distributed?
[03:21] <Amaranth> !wine
[03:21] <b1n0ry> frogzoo thanks, i'll make a note of that
[03:21] <Amaranth> stupid bot
[03:21] <Master_5> wezzer: apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[03:21] <Master_5> i think
[03:21] <nathan__> bobdesloper, wine and vmware
[03:21] <Master_5> heh
[03:21] <jaime> what's the diference betwen ubuntu and kbuntu?
[03:21] <Amaranth> !+wine
[03:21] <thenuke> bobdesloper: what applications? games?  cedega for games
[03:21] <Amaranth> that's it
[03:21] <ShitHawk> anyone know how to tell what ver ubuntu Im running so I can find an appropriate sources.list?
[03:21] <thenuke> jaime: ubuntu has gnome, kubuntu kde
[03:22] <bobdesloper> scool things like Multi sim Auto Cad
[03:22] <Master_5> jaime: gnome is standard in ubuntu, kubuntu has kde added
[03:22] <Ophiocus> jaime kubuntu runs the kde gui ubuntu runs with gnome, thats all i know
[03:22] <Ophiocus> :)
[03:22] <wezzer> Master_5: _uninstall_ ;)
[03:22] <Master_5> only difference
[03:22] <thenuke> bobdesloper: maybe wine can run them, and with vmware you can actually run windows in your ubuntu
[03:22] <Master_5> wezzer
[03:22] <Master_5> sorry
[03:22] <Master_5> change install to remove
[03:23] <wezzer> ok
[03:23] <ShitHawk> can anyone help me with a few questions? thansk
[03:23] <ShitHawk> thanks
[03:23] <frogzoo> funky: install "bum"
[03:23] <funky> frogzoo: ok, thx, Im going to try
[03:23] <Amaranth> should i kick the bot or make it leave with admin powers?
[03:23] <Amaranth> it's useless having it in the channel now
[03:24] <ShitHawk> anyone?
[03:24] <wezzer> Master_5: flasplayer-mozilla package ins't even installed
[03:24] <Ophiocus> no way uboto rulz
[03:24] <ShitHawk> bueller?
[03:24] <wezzer> but still I have flash working
[03:24] <selinium> ShitHawk, Hi there, firstly can you change your nick, it goes againt the code of conduct here... I will be happy to help..
[03:24] <Ophiocus> ShitHawk, i dont want to say swearwords every time i need to adress you, ..
[03:24] <kestas> RRRR WTF IS MAKING THAT SOUND??
[03:24] <kestas> how can I find out
[03:24] <Master_5> heh
[03:24] <ShitHawk> ah .. np hang on
[03:24] <kestas> every now and then there's a 'ding-dong' sound
[03:25] <Amaranth> kestas: everything makes that noise
[03:25] <Amaranth> kestas: it's like a drum, right?
[03:25] <Hnnnnnng> How do i see with kernel i got?
[03:25] <jaime> can I use dapper servers in my source.list???
[03:25] <Master_5> wezzer: why do you want to uninstall it anyway?
[03:25] <Master_5> Hnnnnnng: uname -r
[03:25] <selinium> SweetHawk, much better!
[03:25] <kestas> Amaranth, nope, this is more like 'ding-dong' like a doorbell
[03:25] <Ophiocus> kestas, have you ordered pizza? look at the front door
[03:25] <kestas> never heard it before
[03:25] <wezzer> Master_5: because websites are too flashy
[03:25] <frogzoo> kestas: is this a metallic twang? describe the sound
[03:25] <kestas> heheheh
[03:25] <Amaranth> kestas: sounds like gaim
[03:25] <kestas> gaim eh
[03:25] <wezzer> Master_5: and my adblock extension is broken too
[03:25] <wezzer> so I can't block them
[03:26] <frogzoo> kestas: hard disk might be failing ... how old is it?
[03:26] <kestas> got it ;) thanks Amaranth
[03:26] <kestas> and frogzoo .. thats the worst suggestion of all
[03:26] <kestas> tip your head in shame
[03:26] <Master_5> wezzer: you can search synaptic for flash and see what you have installed
[03:26] <SweetHawk> Im trying to get an inherited box up to date.. how can I tell the Ubuntu ver so I can build an appropriate sources.list?
[03:26] <frogzoo> :p
[03:26] <Master_5> wezzer: then remove it
[03:26] <tiglore> ahhh sound I remember installing other distros on this lptop and having sound ...
[03:26] <wezzer> Master_5: ok, thanks
[03:26] <kestas> why would a failing hard disk go 'ding-dong'?
[03:27] <frogzoo> kestas: how many hard disks have you had fail on you?
[03:27] <b1n0ry> to let you know
[03:27] <nathan__> out the speakers? that woould be impressive
[03:27] <selinium> SweetHawk, Goto System/help it will tell you what version you have installed
[03:27] <Master_5> tiglore is your regular user a member of the "audio" group?
[03:27] <b1n0ry> it's that new Smart-IDE technology :)
[03:27] <kestas> frogzoo, just one
[03:27] <frogzoo> nathan__: missed the speakers bit :)
[03:27] <trpdx> !tell
[03:27] <kestas> personally a door bell isn't the sound of a piece of hardware about to fail
[03:27] <selinium> SweetHawk, 5.04  or  5.10
[03:28] <tiglore> Ubuntu is not loading the modules correclty for sound, its knows i have a sound card, just not how to interface with it, as it is a crystal sound isa baord
[03:28] <SweetHawk> Selinium, Im CL only
[03:28] <SweetHawk> no GUI yet
[03:28] <tiglore> so autodetect is all confused
[03:28] <nathan__> have you ever heard the motherboards that say this after POST: 'post successfull now booting operating system' in a female's voice.. so cheezy
[03:28] <kestas> nathan__, 'system intializing..' urghh
[03:28] <b1n0ry> nathan__ where can i get one?
[03:28] <selinium> SweetHawk, np, sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list   it will tell you in there!
[03:28] <tastyratz> how do I partition a smaller partition in the kubuntu installer?
[03:29] <b1n0ry> nathan__ i want to paranoy my wife
[03:29] <selinium> SweetHawk, have you used vim before?
[03:29] <kestas> I think there was one in knoppix
[03:29] <nathan__> i shall find out for you... lol
[03:29] <frogzoo> nathan__:  but is it a _sexaie_ female voice?
[03:29] <SweetHawk> Ive used vi
[03:29] <SweetHawk> pretty close right?
[03:29] <tastyratz> it seems to be going through in the virtual pc but it wont let me partition anything smaller than the entire remaining contents of the disk the virtual hard drive is on
[03:29] <selinium> SweetHawk, same thing, but better :)
[03:29] <SweetHawk> sweet
[03:29] <nathan__> frogzoo, american bodybuilder
[03:29] <frogzoo> nice!
[03:29] <SweetHawk> just a sec let me look
[03:29] <selinium> SweetHawk, np :)
[03:30] <drcode> hi all
[03:31] <SweetHawk> k. 5.04 Hoary Hedgehog
[03:31] <drcode> any one know about jpegtran
[03:31] <selinium> drcode, hi :)
[03:31] <drcode> I want to change pixel
[03:31] <drcode> so the image will be smaller
[03:31] <selinium> SweetHawk, and you want to upgrade to breezy?
[03:31] <drcode> i convert it to my palm and the image are big
[03:31] <SweetHawk> thanks. no of a good place to find a built sources.list? the existing one is returning all kinds of errors
[03:31] <dylan_> I've installed mplayer-386 and w32codecs and yet I cannot play videos in Firefox without Totem starting...what do i do?
[03:32] <SweetHawk> selinium, is that possible?
[03:32] <Master_5> dylan
[03:32] <nathan__> dylan_, theres a plugin for that purpose :)
[03:32] <Master_5> dylan_: install the mozilla-mplayer  plugin
[03:32] <selinium> SweetHawk, yep, easy.... :)
[03:32] <nalioth> SweetHawk: the repos are having problems atm
[03:32] <dylan_> Master_5, thanks a billion
[03:32] <SweetHawk> oh
[03:32] <LathropWells> a plug in to edit file associations????? - (scratches head)
[03:32] <selinium> hi nalioth, didn't know that myself! :)
[03:33] <SweetHawk> selinium, how would I go about the upgrade?
[03:33] <selinium> SweetHawk, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade  :)
[03:33] <nathan__> o0o0 my first ubuntu install is ready, brb :)
[03:33] <selinium> nathan__ :)
[03:33] <SweetHawk> nice.. thanks very much. sorry bout the name
[03:34] <nathan__> ok we have a nice enya like intro tune... mmmm
[03:34] <selinium> SweetHawk, np at all! But we have users from a young age upwards in here... :)
[03:34] <dragon> hmm ubuntu is cool :)
[03:34] <tiglore> why did they remove alsaconf form the standard intall, it would make things so much easier :/
[03:34] <bobdesloper> i agree
[03:34] <LathropWells> Ubuntu is cool
[03:34] <dragon> yup
[03:34] <nathan__> i'll prob moan about a few things being a debianeer :)
[03:35] <SweetHawk> I understand... thanks again for the help. Have a good one. Im goign to go read that
[03:35] <selinium> SweetHawk, You will find this channel very friendly and helpful, but we do try to stick to the code of conduct! :) http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/
[03:35] <selinium> SweetHawk, See you soon! :)
[03:35] <Diny> hay can someone tell me how to update ubuntu from 5.04 to 5.10, that i will still have all programs that i have now?
[03:35] <SirKillalot2> anybody using the primax scanner driver?
[03:35] <SweetHawk> excellent.. I will be back
[03:35] <selinium> nathan__ We will soon turn you into an Ubuntite!
[03:36] <Master_5> Diny: change your /etc/apt/sources.list to the new repos and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:36] <nalioth> Diny: that is correct
[03:36] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Diny about breezy
[03:36] <frogzoo> Diny apt-get dist-upgrade & cross your fingers
[03:36] <Diny> am i have new cd iso 5.10
[03:37] <selinium> SweetHawk, Be advised if the repos are having problems, apt-get upgrade and such may not function properly at the mo.
[03:37] <bobdesloper> i have 2 lucent p112T 24 port Switches who is interesst?
[03:37] <frogzoo> bobdesloper: do they run Ubuntu?
[03:37] <nalioth> bobdesloper: that is off topic for this channel, join #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:37] <jack-> switches? :p
[03:37] <SweetHawk> selinium, One more question after looking at the firt lines of that.. Where can I get an up to date sources.list for 5.04? It wasnt working a couple days ago either, so Im not sure its rep problems
[03:37] <nalioth> frogzoo: off topic
[03:37] <jack-> bobdesloper: i'm interested
[03:37] <yahya> how can I make quicktime videos work?
[03:38] <nalioth> jack-: frogzoo bobdesloper y'all all go to #ubuntu-offtopic and have a blast
[03:38] <frogzoo> nalioth: I believe my question was Ubuntu on topic :p
[03:38] <nalioth> frogzoo: lucent switches run anything
[03:38] <nalioth> yahya: install libquicktime
[03:38] <selinium> SweetHawk, ubotu should have sent you the links
[03:38] <selinium> SweetHawk, :)
[03:38] <LathropWells> Anyone have any ideas on what to do with all the windows utilities on CD we don't need anymore?      (Anti-virus, Adware trojan remover, Active Registry monitor. Disk Defragmenter, )
[03:38] <Ophiocus> yahya, check the ubuntu starter guide->multimedia
[03:38] <dragon> i have question, how to do to LEXMARK P4350 Works?
[03:39] <SweetHawk> ooh.. preesh.. Thanks youall
[03:39] <Diny> am ( 15:36:13 ) ( Master_5 ) Diny: change your /etc/apt/sources.list to the new repos and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade ///// am new reops? where do i get that list?
[03:39] <nalioth> LathropWells: use it as a coaster
[03:39] <selinium> SweetHawk, np at all, See you around soon! :)
[03:39] <nalioth> Diny: check your private msgs
[03:39] <SweetHawk> cya
[03:39] <Diny> yeah
[03:39] <Diny> ok
[03:39] <LathropWells> nalioth - interesting aol disks are running low.
[03:39] <bobdesloper> jack- private..
[03:40] <Ophiocus> btw i think that guide could use a howto for proxy and internet sharing
[03:40] <jack-> i have question, how pimple squeezing work?
[03:40] <jack-> ok
[03:40] <dragon> i have question, how to do to LEXMARK P4350 Works?
[03:40] <LathropWells> !nat
[03:40] <ubotu> LathropWells: I haven't a clue
[03:40] <LathropWells> !firestarter
[03:40] <ubotu> firestarter is, like, Ubuntu has, like every other Linux distribution, firewalling built into the kernel. A simple frontend to this firewall is Firestarter, which can be installed via Breezy's "Add Applications" or Synaptic
[03:40] <Master_5> heh
[03:40] <n9uib> good morning everyone
[03:41] <nadia> Mornin....  Anyone created a Compact Flash boot disk before?
[03:41] <nalioth> bobdesloper: if you join #ubuntu-offtopic you may be able to auction the thing, several of us are interested and waiting
[03:41] <Master_5> morning
[03:41] <dragon> i go... cya
[03:41] <nadia> bye dragon.
[03:41] <fredforfaen> !e17
[03:41] <LathropWells> firestarter can smooth the way in setting up a more standard internet proxying gateway.
[03:42] <selinium> fredforfaen, there you go!
[03:43] <Ophiocus> http://www.aboutdebian.com/proxy.htm has it all, although id like to see it from the ubuntu standpoint, only for ubuntu guide completeness
[03:43] <Diny> btw is there possible to add some programs to startup that they would be run each time i run pc (need to run programs for specific user!)
[03:43] <nadia> I've got a box that used to be a router.  Now I'm trying to install ubuntu on it.  Unfortunately this box doesn't have connectors for keyboard and mouse and can't get to the bios.  So would like to create an autoinstall boot on a compact flash.
[03:43] <selinium> Diny, yep system /prefs/session
[03:44] <frogzoo> Diny: edit ~/.gnomerc
[03:44] <n9uib> ubuntu is such a great distro..... i have tried alot, but by far, this is the easiest to configure and use
[03:44] <Ophiocus> oh and the ubuntu guide in networking has a typo on step 6, where do i report that again?
[03:44] <Obi-1> need some help configuring my network
[03:45] <frogzoo> nadia: grub-floppy /dev/xxx should get you started
[03:45] <nalioth> Ophiocus: which ubuntu guide?
[03:45] <xbox_sky> yeah..I just hope I will learn stuff.. meaning not THAT easy...
[03:45] <Obi-1> have some problems with the gui
[03:45] <xbox_sky> you got problems with the gui?
[03:45] <frogzoo> Obi-1: maybe edit directly /etc/networks/interfaces
[03:45] <nadia> frogzoo..  type that up in bash in ubuntu?
[03:45] <xbox_sky> ah
[03:45] <Ophiocus> nalioth, http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html#sect-dhcp-server    ->step six
[03:46] <Hoxzer> when I try to convert DC++ and when I use scons I get error "Checking for None >= 3.4...ValueError: invalid literal for int(): s:" what should I do?
[03:46] <nalioth> Ophiocus: step into #ubuntu-doc and let them know
[03:46] <Obi-1> but i can`t edit it with my notepad becouse it requires root passw... doesn`t it^
[03:47] <Amaranth> grr
[03:47] <thenuke> Obi-1: if the pc is yours, you have the right to be admin of it :)
[03:47] <thenuke> Obi-1: sudo nano for example starts nano as a root
[03:47] <thenuke> Obi-1: sudo asks for your password
[03:47] <frogzoo> nadia: that will get you grub installed on the thing, then you need somehow to get the install to the usb key
[03:48] <Master_5> Obi-1: my favorite is sudo passwd root
[03:48] <darklightred83> help
[03:48] <darklightred83> any1
[03:48] <darklightred83> please
[03:48] <Master_5> hah
[03:48] <trappist> quit scrolling and ask a question.
[03:48] <darklightred83> what does linux ubuntu uses when it comes to threads?
[03:48] <Diny> am frogzoo can you give me little better instructions how to ad programs ?
[03:48] <yahya> Ophiocus: I can an error 'w32codecs is not available but referred by another package'
[03:49] <darklightred83> what does linux ubuntu uses when it comes to threads?
[03:49] <nalioth> darklightred83: please dont repeat
[03:49] <darklightred83> what does linux ubuntu uses when it comes to threads?
[03:49] <trappist> dude.
[03:49] <darklightred83> sorry
[03:49] <trappist> where's my @
[03:49] <darklightred83> ans?
[03:49] <Amaranth> trappist: In some other channel.
[03:49] <Amaranth> darklightred83: why does that matter?
[03:49] <GURT> what is nano?
[03:49] <trappist> Amaranth: it was a rhetorical question, but thanks.
[03:50] <trappist> GURT: text editor
[03:50] <darklightred83> anyone?
[03:50] <GURT> ty
[03:50] <darklightred83> help?
[03:50] <Amaranth> darklightred83: why do you need to know?
[03:50] <nathan__> darklightred83, what are you trying to find out exactly ?
[03:50] <Master_5> exactly
[03:50] <darklightred83> its my ass.
[03:50] <Amaranth> ...
[03:50] <darklightred83> assignmnet
[03:50] <nathan__> lamer
[03:50] <nalioth> darklightred83: please wait for an answer. pestering the channel is not helping you at all
[03:50] <darklightred83> okay
[03:50] <Amaranth> darklightred83: We don't do homework.
[03:50] <darklightred83> this is what i know so far
[03:51] <darklightred83> linux is a open source code ryt?.
[03:51] <Master_5> good start
[03:51] <Jemt> Greetings. I have shared a folder on my computer (the folder is located on a removable device). The folder is shared using Samba. But I am not able to mount it from another Linux computer using 'mount -t vfat -o username=jemt,password=foo //ip/folder /mnt/net' (the file system on the removable device is FAT32). I have also add'et the user 'jemt' to Samba, enabled the account and assigned a password. Please help me :)
[03:51] <nathan__> im impressed if your homework directly referers to ubuntu :)
[03:51] <xbox_sky> stupid question.. in order to see the bot commands, I'll do a<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or...!??
[03:51] <frogzoo> Diny: open synaptic, search for your package, select it & click apply - & your'e done
[03:51] <darklightred83> now linux ubuntu uses kernel 2.6.
[03:51] <GURT> !test
[03:51] <Amaranth> xbox_sky: /msg ubotu help
[03:51] <xbox_sky> cheers m8
[03:51] <Master_5> jemt smbmount maybe
[03:52] <darklightred83> ryt?
[03:52] <Jemt> Master_5: Nope :)
[03:52] <Amaranth> darklightred83: linux is the kernel
[03:52] <Master_5> heh
[03:52] <darklightred83> yez
[03:52] <frogzoo> xbox_sky: /msg ubotu help
[03:52] <veepster> jemt, what software are you using to mount? plain mount command is useful between 2 linux boxes running NFS. for windows, you probably need samba running
[03:52] <Amaranth> darklightred83: the kernel is called linux and is at version 2.6.14
[03:53] <darklightred83> ahh okay thanks for the info.
[03:53] <darklightred83> now what i need to know is the thread that was used in the kernel?
[03:53] <frogzoo> darklightred83: many of the user space programs were developed by Gnu - which is why some refer to Gnu Linux
[03:53] <darklightred83> i always ends up with fork() and clone()
[03:53] <Jemt> veepster: The "host" is running Samba. The "client" has 'sambaclient' installed. I though that would be enough. What should I install on the client in order to make it possible for me to connect ?
[03:54] <frogzoo> darklightred83: it all starts with init - process 1
[03:54] <Amaranth> darklightred83: For that you want google. We don't do homework. :P
[03:54] <darklightred83> :(
[03:54] <Jemt> veepster: Btw - I got no problems connecting from Windows
[03:54] <Master_5> sco spy
[03:54] <ScatterBrain> I just added my normal user account to a new group.  Is there a way that I can force those changes to take affect _without_ logging off and back in?
[03:54] <darklightred83> o i c
[03:54] <nathan__> ScatterBrain, not that i know of
[03:55] <guillem101> I upgraded to breezy my AMD64 some time before, and now I am planning to upgrade the 32bit chroot... do I have to take care about anything special rather the default upgrading method for the 32bit chroot part?
[03:55] <wickedpuppy> ScatterBrain, once you added normal user account to a group .. it stays that way ....
[03:55] <Amaranth> http://www.google.com/search?q=linux%20thread
[03:55] <darklightred83> could anyone could give info where i could find specific answers?
[03:55] <Amaranth> darklightred83: ok, now that you see how that works the answer is: LinuxThreads or POSIX Threads
[03:56] <wickedpuppy> darklightred83, ##c
[03:56] <wickedpuppy> they have experienced c gurus who has experience with linux programming ...
[03:56] <caonex> anybody using fglrx?
[03:57] <nathan__> caonex, probably a few thousand
[03:57] <darklightred83> posix threads has problems or bugs, so i supose that this was not used in ubuntu.
[03:58] <n9uib> well, it got awful quiet in here...lol
[03:58] <nathan__> darklightred83, LinuxThreads is an implementation of POSIX
[03:58] <ice9> nice distro in all but not much of a gnome fan anyway I can change to kde ?
[03:58] <nathan__> ICE9, kubuntu
[03:58] <darklightred83> o i c
[03:58] <LathropWells> sure install   sudo kubuntu-desktop
[03:58] <darklightred83>  i thought that this was different treads
[03:58] <darklightred83> thanks
[03:58] <ICE9> really thats it
[03:59] <nathan__> darklightred83, LinuxThreads uses clone()
[03:59] <veepster> jemt, you dont need to 'mount' from the server
[03:59] <LathropWells> xubuntu-desktop   or xfce-desktop
[03:59] <nathan__> now google for the rest of your homework :)
[03:59] <veepster> errm
[03:59] <veepster> thats not what I meant to say
[03:59] <veepster> you dont need any extra software on the client
[03:59] <LathropWells> !desktop
[03:59] <darklightred83> so my base search should be linuxthreads?
[03:59] <LathropWells> !desktops
[03:59] <darklightred83> ryt?
[03:59] <ArdieM> where is the folder for fonts like ttf ??
[04:00] <nathan__> darklightred83, LinuxThreads FAQ
[04:01] <darklightred83> okay ill try searching, thanks
[04:01] <ICE9> are you sure thats the command
[04:01] <ICE9> sudo kubunut-desktop
[04:01] <nathan__> darklightred83, NPTL is another pointer
[04:01] <ICE9> nothing else
[04:01] <darklightred83> you're all a big help for clearing things on my mind
[04:01] <Master_5> sudo aptget install kubuntu-desktop
[04:01] <darklightred83> ill try to ask if i have loose ends again
[04:01] <Master_5> -
[04:01] <ICE9> thats wht I though
[04:01] <ICE9> thx
[04:02] <darklightred83> NPLT the site does not load
[04:02] <deeLer> how to remove the wallpaper from an ubuntu icewm desktop ????
[04:02] <nathan__> darklightred83, try wikipedia ?
[04:02] <JakobGedionsen> how do i install the  kernel source pakage in ubuntu
[04:02] <Master_5> forgot the - in apt-get i did
[04:02] <ICE9> umm
[04:02] <ICE9> invalid
[04:02] <DShepherd> hey I want to install ubuntu....with no desktop....then use VMWARE wrapper to XP on it....How do I install ubuntu without the desktop...just ubuntu's base
[04:02] <ICE9> hmm
[04:03] <LathropWells> DShepherd, server install
[04:03] <ICE9> sudo apt-get kubuntu-desktop
[04:03] <ICE9> E: Invalid operation kubuntu-desktop
[04:03] <Master_5> install
[04:03] <nathan__> DShepherd, X is required for vmware
[04:03] <Master_5> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:03] <ICE9> also is there a way to use root
[04:03] <LathropWells> nathan_ - good tip. :0
[04:03] <DShepherd> nathan__: oh ok..
[04:03] <ICE9> instead of sudo
[04:03] <nathan__> LathropWells, why thankyou :)
[04:03] <Master_5> ICE9: sudo passwd root
[04:04] <ICE9> thx
[04:04] <Master_5> ICE9: set root password and then login
[04:04] <DShepherd> nathan__: So can I install X plus like the base....nothing else...
[04:04] <selinium> darklightred83, here is POSIX explianed   http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-posix1.html
[04:04] <ICE9> this is different then debian
[04:04] <nadia> I'm trying to do a grub-floopy on a compact flash.  I can see my compact flash at /media/usbdisk, but when I run grub-floppy /media/usbdisk I get a not a block device error.  Any suggestions?
[04:04] <Master_5> a little
[04:04] <wickedpuppy> ICE9, using root is discouraged .... very strongly discouraged
[04:04] <JakobGedionsen> how do i install the  kernel source pakage in ubuntu
[04:04] <nathan__> DShepherd, you could install something like twm or blackbox if you do not want the bloadedness of gnome/kde
[04:04] <ICE9> why is that
[04:04] <LathropWells> !usbstick
[04:04] <ICE9> for security
[04:05] <nathan__> sed/bloadedness/bloatedness
[04:05] <Master_5> JakobGedionsen sudo apt-get install kernel-source
[04:05] <ICE9> is sudo the new thing now
[04:05] <Master_5> ICE9  just in ubuntu
[04:05] <Master_5> ice9 they prefer sudo
[04:05] <Master_5> i prefer root
[04:05] <nadia> !usbstick?
[04:05] <selinium> DShepherd, nathan__ :  here you go https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu
[04:05] <ICE9> your preferece is it better
[04:06] <ICE9> I perfer root too just cause use to it
[04:06] <Master_5> ice9 sudo is more secure i guess
[04:06] <LathropWells> nadia - ubotu has a link for creating bootable flash media
[04:06] <ICE9> ok
[04:06] <DShepherd> nathan_ I dont mind gnome of kde...but......I dont want some of those packages that comes with ubuntu...just enough to run X and ubuntu....What I mean,.ubuntu with minimal packages
[04:06] <wickedpuppy> sudo force you to type 4 more characters ... lol
[04:06] <nathan__> DShepherd, maybe refer to that url from selinium
[04:07] <Master_5> JakobGedionsen did you get the kernel source installed?
[04:07] <ICE9> yeah its a lazy thing
[04:07] <ICE9> lol
[04:07] <selinium> ICE9, DOnt use root unless you want an insecure system. Also if you type something at the command line the worst you can do is borjk the user. If you use root you can borj the machine!
[04:07] <ICE9> true
[04:07] <nadia> lathropwells, where can I find the link!
[04:07] <selinium> ICE9, s/borjk/bork
[04:07] <Master_5> selinium: sudo can hose a machine just as easy
[04:07] <LathropWells> http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en here is part 1 of 3 (hope i can find the rest)
[04:07] <ICE9> are there any security holes in ubuntu
[04:08] <ICE9> that you know of
[04:08] <selinium> Master_5, Yep but you tend to use sudo when you need to. Rather than arbitarily
[04:08] <DShepherd> nathan__: selinium That ubuntu with XCFE.. that just a replacement for kde and gnome. windows manager or desktop manager is not really a problem. How do I install ubuntu with minimal packages. Enough packs to make it run
[04:08] <Master_5> true selinium
[04:08] <Habbie> DShepherd: type 'server' at the CD bootprompt :)
[04:08] <ICE9> never tried xfce
[04:08] <ICE9> or fluxbox
[04:09] <Master_5> both are nice
[04:09] <ICE9> I heard flux is really nice
[04:09] <ICE9> better then kde or no
[04:09] <LathropWells> nadia http://www.ubuntux.org/node/167
[04:09] <Habbie> I use fluxbox
[04:09] <Master_5> enlightenment dr17 would be nice
[04:09] <swb> greetings fellow ubuntuers
[04:09] <selinium> DShepherd, when installing, at the first prompt type server as mentioned. It will install with no gui
[04:09] <DShepherd> Habbie: Do I get when I type server?
[04:09] <ICE9> can you still use all the apps on fluxbox
[04:09] <Master_5> ice9 it's lighter than kde
[04:09] <DShepherd> Habbie: Do I get X when I type server?
[04:09] <Habbie> DShepherd: no
[04:09] <Master_5> ice9 yes
[04:09] <nadia> usb stick and compact flash should work the same...  sweet, thanks I'll do some reading...
[04:10] <darklightred83> can any1 tell me what is the thread for debian? bec. it is most likely to ubuntu
[04:10] <Habbie> DShepherd: it just installs less -by default-; you can always add what you want after install
[04:10] <guillem101> hmmm, seems to have upgraded smoothly....
[04:10] <ICE9> you got the apt-get link for fluxbox
[04:10] <ari123> hi someone could  hel a newbi  ?
[04:10] <Master_5> ICE9: you can search apt with apt-cache search fluxbox
[04:10] <ICE9> ask away
[04:10] <DShepherd> I was told I need X to run VMWare? is this true
[04:10] <n00blar> hi all, do I have to load anything else to get amarok to play mp3s for me? I was able to install it, but it will not play mp3s
[04:10] <Kumo> hi guys, does anybody know how to detect my internet detection everytime I turn on my computer? I have internet after #dhclient eth0 but is not done by default
[04:10] <darklightred83> can any1 tell me what is the thread for debian? bec. it is most likely to ubuntu
[04:10] <selinium> ari123, always! :)
[04:10] <ICE9> thats right cache seach forgot about
[04:10] <Master_5> DShepherd yes
[04:10] <DShepherd> Master_5: ok
[04:10] <darklightred83> can any1 tell me what is the thread for debian? bec. it is most likely to ubuntu
[04:11] <ari123> selenium
[04:11] <ari123> can i pm ?
[04:11] <swb> n00blar, you may need mpg123?
[04:11] <Master_5> darklightred83: use google
[04:11] <nathan__> darklightred83, you have already asked, behave
[04:11] <shinu> darklightred83: dont repeat your question like that...
[04:11] <DShepherd> So after server installl  how do I get X?
[04:11] <DShepherd> or install it
[04:11] <DShepherd> ?
[04:11] <selinium> ari123, it is best to ask the question 'outload' incase I cant help you! :)
[04:11] <n00blar> swb, I'll try to install it, thanks
[04:11] <nathan__> darklightred83, ii gave you a hint for LinuxThreads, NPTL and POSIX.
[04:11] <ari123> oki
[04:11] <swb> n00blar, I take that back
[04:11] <swb> install xine
[04:11] <swb> and amarok-xine
[04:12] <Master_5> DShepherd somenoe may correct me but i believe it's apt-get install x-window-system
[04:12] <swb> then configure it to use the xine engine in options
[04:12] <ari123> i have a hard drive ntfs formated that i can access it s not mounted
[04:12] <swb> I find that works better than gstreamer
[04:12] <n00blar> swb, oh..ok, will do..thanks
[04:12] <nathan__> ari123, man fstab and/or man mount
[04:12] <Magic07> i installed breezy on my imac and everything went fine...however yaboot root is set to sdb4 while the install was on sdc4...any suggestions
[04:12] <JakobGedionsen> Master_5 Dunno... I have to install the new nVidia drivers, but it keep saying i've haven't got the kernel source... Installed some kernel packs in the packet manager, but still...
[04:12] <selinium> n00blar, have you installed w32codecs? you need it to play mpo3
[04:13] <swb> Master_5, perhaps also/instead xserver-xorg
[04:13] <n00blar> selinium, yes..it's been loaded
[04:13] <selinium> ari123, when you can it will only be in read only, you know that yes?
[04:13] <shinu> Kumo: maybe sudo network-admin may help you? just a guess...
[04:13] <Master_5> JakobGedionsen apt-get install kernel-source
[04:13] <Master_5> JakobGedionsen apt-get install kernel-headers
[04:13] <ari123> this i know
[04:13] <JakobGedionsen> In console?
[04:13] <Master_5> yes
[04:13] <selinium> ari123, ok,
[04:13] <Master_5> it'll give you a list
[04:13] <DShepherd> swb: Master_5: THanks for the info
[04:13] <JakobGedionsen> Kool...
[04:13] <Kumo> shinu: ok, I'll try
[04:13] <darklightred83> sorry for asking to much, i just need proffesional help
[04:14] <n00blar> swb, will the xine package  be called..xine or something else?
[04:14] <ari123> is there an utility to change to ext3 without loosing data N
[04:14] <ari123> ?
[04:14] <shinu> Kumo: how do you connect to the net?
[04:14] <darklightred83> andby giving me pointers, i helps me a lot.
[04:14] <darklightred83> thanks
[04:14] <Master_5> JakobGedionsen if you don't know your present running kernel type uname -r
[04:14] <darklightred83>  and
[04:14] <darklightred83> sorry
[04:14] <swb> selinium, when I try to install those on my gf's box it says it has no installation candidate... do I need any funky sources?
[04:14] <Kumo> shinu: eth0
[04:14] <swb> n00blar, sudo apt-get install amarok-xine
[04:14] <shinu> Kumo: yeah, try network-admin, it might help :P
[04:14] <nathan__> darklightred83, what are you asking that you havn't already been told?
[04:15] <selinium> swb the codecs?  http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/dists/breezy-seveas/breezy-extras/
[04:15] <selinium> ari123, I dont think so. NTFS was designed to be secure...
[04:15] <beerockxs> I'm having a problem with the fglrx driver.
[04:16] <swb> thanks selinium
[04:16] <selinium> swb np
[04:16] <ari123> but i think partition magic has an toolls like that no ?
[04:16] <DShepherd> what's the difference between a dummy package and a normal package?
[04:16] <beerockxs> When I log into X, after a few seconds, the display is no longer updated, except for the mouse driver, which still works.
[04:16] <beerockxs> er, mouse cursor
[04:16] <swb> I think a dummy package is just used for clearer naming
[04:16] <nathan__> aeho,
[04:16] <nathan__> oops
[04:17] <swb> it points to another package I think
[04:17] <nathan__> ari123, http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/
[04:17] <JakobGedionsen> Master_5 uname -r
[04:17] <JakobGedionsen> 2.6.12-9-386, my kernel is not in the apt-get install kernel-source list...
[04:17] <selinium> ari123, You can change the filesystem but it will wipe the drive.
[04:17] <beerockxs> keypresses don't do anything either, ctrl-alt-backspace does not kill X, etc.
[04:17] <ari123> wipe ?
[04:17] <beerockxs> anyone have any idea what might cause that?
[04:17] <swb> ari123, I just did a similar thing but copied all the data off then backon after reformatting...
[04:17] <DShepherd> swb: ok
[04:17] <swb> beerockxs, anything in /var/log/XFree86.0.log?
[04:18] <selinium> ari123, that is the only way I know, what swb said...    https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[04:18] <nathan__> ari123, you cannot change the FS but you can read/write to it
[04:18] <ari123> nathan i m newbie
[04:18] <ari123> plz help me on istalling it
[04:18] <ICE9> for apt-cache its just called fluxbox right
[04:18] <selinium> nathan__, If you try to write to NTFS you will corrupt the data
[04:18] <JakobGedionsen> Master_5 uname -r
[04:18] <nathan__> selinium, not true :)
[04:18] <Kumo> shinu: I can see my connection but I don't know how to set it to detect it by default
[04:18] <JakobGedionsen> 2.6.12-9-386, my kernel is not in the apt-get install kernel-source list...
[04:18] <nuck> im running apache server where do i find the webpage file that it loads when a client connects to it? thanks
[04:18] <selinium> ari123, Seriously, dont try to wirte to ntfs.
[04:18] <beerockxs> swb: the last entries are about a font renderer already being registered
[04:19] <nathan__> selinium, http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/
[04:19] <JakobGedionsen> Master_5 uname -r 2.6.12-9-386, my kernel is not in the apt-get install kernel-source list...
[04:19] <swb> beerockxs do cat /var/log/XFree86.0.log | grep EE
[04:19] <ari123> oki
[04:19] <ari123> anyway i can t read also
[04:19] <ari123> i can give remote
[04:19] <swb> anyone an xorg with composite guru
[04:19] <ari123> acces who want to help ?
[04:20] <swb> I had it running once, but it was slow becasue I have an ati card
[04:20] <beerockxs> swb: no errors
[04:20] <swb> but now when I enable it the mouse is clear when I start X but everything underenath comes out in like wierd vertical bars
[04:20] <swb> of misrendering
[04:20] <swb> beerockxs, no idea then sorry
[04:20] <selinium> nathen__ there are 'new' systems that may work most of the time. But I would not trust them with my data. NTFS is a proprietory format which has not been released into the public domain. Therefore any coding has been done on a best efforts basis.
[04:21] <shinu> Kumo: how do you start your connection then?
[04:21] <beerockxs> it seems to be a problem with the proprietary ati driver, because the open source one works. but i want the driver from ATI, for my TV out and stuff
[04:21] <nathan__> selinium, 'Captive' is fairy stable as it uses the ntfs.sys driver for windows, it doesnt mount directly
[04:21] <swb> beerockxs, I use fglrx with no problems
[04:21] <swb> beerockxs, have you got composite enabled in your xorg.conf?
[04:22] <swb> becasue that messes mine up
[04:22] <Kumo> shinu: using #dhclient eth0 but I have to do it everytime I turn on Ubuntu
[04:22] <beerockxs> swb: I did not specifically enable it, so I guess no, if it defaults to that.
[04:22] <agx> hello, anyone knows where i can get a grub with the i2o patch already compiled in?
[04:22] <selinium> nathan__, I see that now... But therefore you need to have a WIndows license to run it.... :)
[04:22] <swb> I think it does, you can check, look at the end of /etc/X11/xorg.conf for the extensions section
[04:22] <nathan__> selinium, speak to my lawyer :)
[04:22] <n00blar> swb, awesome...amarok's working nicely...thank you!
[04:22] <selinium> nathan__, rofl!
[04:23] <swb> n00blar, np :)
[04:23] <beerockxs> swb: I don't even have an extensions section :-)
[04:23] <swb> I like amarok
[04:23] <swb> beerockxs, heh probably not then, if you want to double check you could grep the log for composite
[04:23] <swb> also do a grep for WW
[04:23] <ICE9> damn how do you run the seach for apt-cache
[04:23] <swb> might give you some info
[04:23] <swb> apt-cache search
[04:23] <selinium> lol
[04:23] <Toma-> is there a way to swap the dev entry a device gets created on? ive got a tv card and a webcam and wanna swap em
[04:24] <ICE9> I tried nothing happens
[04:24] <shinu> Kumo: cant you put that command into some startup script? not very elegant but i dont know much :P
[04:24] <nathan__> selinium, if you're interested at all you may want to look at http://www.reactos.org
[04:24] <swb> ICE9 you have to put a search term in also
[04:24] <Toma-> lol reactos
[04:24] <swb> like apt-cache search foo
[04:24] <swb> or you could just use synaptic
[04:24] <ICE9> apt-cache search fluxbox
[04:24] <ICE9> nothing happens
[04:24] <selinium> ICE9, apt-cache search <application>  where <application> is the name of what you are looking for
[04:25] <swb> when you say nothing happens..., does the command return without finding anythign or does it just hang
[04:25] <nathan__> Toma-, this started regarding read/write to ntfs partitions, please keep laughter to a minimum :)
[04:25] <Toma-> hehe ok
[04:25] <ICE9> searches then brings me back to the prompt
[04:25] <swb> unlucky
[04:25] <ICE9> thats all
[04:25] <swb> you are probalby missing some apt sources
[04:26] <swb> or havent done apt-get update
[04:26] <DShepherd> what's the size of the default install for uibuntu
[04:26] <selinium> nathan__, Interesting, i will give it a look over. But IMHO i think the architecture behind linux is far superior, so why try to emulate a bad thing?
[04:26] <selinium> DShepherd, under 700mb
[04:26] <beerockxs> swb: I have a warning from fglrx there, "specified desktop not supported: 8"
[04:27] <selinium> DShepherd, fits on a CD
[04:27] <Kumo> shinu: yeah may be by now I can do it, thanks
[04:27] <swb> beerockxs, doesnt mean anything to me I am afraid
[04:27] <ICE9> did the update still nothing
[04:27] <adam_> #ubuntu
[04:27] <adam_> !ubuntu
[04:27] <DShepherd> selinium: sorry I meant after installing...the default ..
[04:27] <nathan__> selinium, s/IMHO/everyones\ opinion/
[04:28] <shinu> Kumo: its weird cause i have inet over eth0 too, but it starts by default, so i guess it might be how you configued it at the installation
[04:28] <selinium> nathan__, lol
[04:28] <ari123> "There were no decoders found to handle the stream, you might need to install the corresponding plugins" ...
[04:28] <ari123> ????
[04:28] <ICE9> maybe it can
[04:28] <adam_> does anyone know of a good webcam chat/community for talking and meeting people?
[04:28] <nuck> where channel can i ask for linux commands?
[04:28] <swb> ICE9 have you done http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[04:28] <ICE9> no
[04:28] <selinium> ari123, what are you trying to play?
[04:28] <ICE9> I'll try
[04:28] <ari123> live radio
[04:28] <nuck> i just want to find which files contain certain string i.e. "thisstringtofind"
[04:29] <ICE9> different commands are killing
[04:29] <selinium> ari123, where from?
[04:29] <ICE9> I'll get it though
[04:29] <nuck> within a certain directory
[04:29] <ICE9> thx for the help
[04:29] <selinium> ari123, pm?
[04:29] <DShepherd> How much space, by defauly does ubuntu take up on your hard disk after install
[04:29] <Master_5> ICE9 it must be int he multiverse repos
[04:29] <ari123> oki pm
[04:29] <__ibz> nuck: find . -type f -exec grep "thisstringtofind" /dev/null {} \;
[04:30] <selinium> ari123, Have you registered you nick?
[04:30] <swb> __ibz, leet
[04:30] <Master_5> deb http://Archive.Ubuntu.Com/ubuntu breezy-security main restricted multiverse universe
[04:30] <Master_5> deb http://Archive.Ubuntu.Com/ubuntu breezy-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[04:30] <selinium> Master_5, dont paste in here please
[04:30] <adam_> im trying to find a program/community similiar to yahoo or msn messenger that supports a webcam. does anyone know of anything such as this?
[04:30] <ari123> no not yet
[04:30] <ari123> i come back